The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2143 - Tulsi Gabbard

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00:00:12.000 Here we go.

00:00:14.000 This is the second time we ever worked out together.

00:00:17.000 I know.

00:00:18.000 I feel great.

00:00:19.000 It was awesome, right?

00:00:20.000 It was great.

00:00:21.000 It's a great way to get the day started.

00:00:22.000 It was perfect, actually.

00:00:24.000 We do these, the comedian boot camps.

00:00:28.000 So today we did it with Hassan and Derek and Shane, Shane Gillis.

00:00:33.000 And we have fun. 1.00

00:00:36.000 So you get the workout in and you talk a lot of shit and you get silly. 1.00

00:00:39.000 It's really fun. 1.00

00:00:40.000 This is like real silly.

00:00:41.000 Yeah.

00:00:42.000 You know, we have a good time.

00:00:43.000 Yeah.

00:00:44.000 Thanks for the invite.

00:00:46.000 Oh, my pleasure.

00:00:47.000 I've been on the road for, I don't know, for weeks.

00:00:51.000 And so, you know, if you're lucky, you get a decent hotel gym.

00:00:54.000 Right.

00:00:55.000 But you got to be really creative.

00:00:56.000 Yeah.

00:00:57.000 Most of them, the best they'll have are dumbbells and, you know, that's it.

00:01:02.000 I just realized you're the second celebrity to do that with us and the second Hawaiian.

00:01:08.000 Because The Rock did it.

00:01:09.000 Samoan.

00:01:09.000 So it's like there's something going on.

00:01:11.000 Samoan pride here.

00:01:13.000 Something going on with the Hawaiians coming here. 0.99

00:01:16.000 We'll have to figure out, you know, Max Holloway is Hawaiian and Samoan, too.

00:01:19.000 He didn't work out, though.

00:01:20.000 Max, last time he was here, he was just off of his wind.

00:01:23.000 He gets a break after that, man.

00:01:26.000 Wow.

00:01:27.000 Yeah, take some time off, bro.

00:01:30.000 I was telling you, the sauna, I am definitely from the islands because I'm okay with heat.

00:01:37.000 So 20 minutes in the sauna, it was good, it was challenging, but it was good.

00:01:41.000 The cold, however.

00:01:45.000 That ice bath.

00:01:46.000 I've done a quick polar plunge briefly.

00:01:51.000 Jumping in, jumping out.

00:01:52.000 And that one was at the lowest setting in terms of the jets of water.

00:01:56.000 So what we have is called a blue cube.

00:01:59.000 And blue cube is the type of cold plunge that has an engine in it that you can turn on to higher levels of waves.

00:02:08.000 So if you turn it to the highest level, it's just rushing at you like a river.

00:02:13.000 Is that better or worse?

00:02:14.000 Horrible.

00:02:15.000 It's horrible.

00:02:16.000 You never develop a thermal barrier.

00:02:19.000 All cold water immersion is very good for you.

00:02:23.000 It's good for cold shock proteins, norepinephrine, mood stabilization, makes you feel better.

00:02:30.000 All those things are good.

00:02:31.000 But the still cold is much more tolerable.

00:02:35.000 I don't know what's better for you.

00:02:36.000 See, that's the question.

00:02:38.000 Is it better?

00:02:39.000 Is it just as good and more tolerable?

00:02:42.000 Or is it better to suffer for the full three minutes? 1.00

00:02:46.000 Because if you turn that bitch on... 1.00

00:02:47.000 Suffer more. 1.00

00:02:48.000 Is the benefit proportional to the suffering is really the question, right?

00:02:51.000 I'm not sure.

00:02:52.000 I'm not sure if you suffer more, if you get more benefit, or if there's a point where you're actually hurting your body.

00:02:57.000 Right.

00:02:57.000 You know, like maybe there's a point...

00:02:58.000 I mean, obviously, if you stay in the cold water too long, you'll die.

00:03:02.000 That's what hypothermia is.

00:03:03.000 Yeah.

00:03:03.000 But there's a level where if you just get a few minutes in, it's really good for you.

00:03:09.000 So I don't know if it's better if you're miserable.

00:03:12.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:03:12.000 Yeah, right. 0.97

00:03:13.000 I don't know. 0.99

00:03:14.000 But if you want to test your mind, that blue cube is the one to do because that sucker gets fast. 0.99

00:03:21.000 That sucker gets like a river. 1.00

00:03:22.000 So you're just laying in there and it's like shit. 1.00

00:03:24.000 An assault of cold water. 1.00

00:03:26.000 The moment it sucks when you climb in, that moment never changes.

00:03:29.000 That's the difference.

00:03:30.000 Because in a regular cold plunge, after a while, you develop this thermal barrier.

00:03:34.000 And even though it sucks, it only sucks like 80% of what it sucked when you first got in. 0.95

00:03:39.000 With the Blue Cube, it's 100% sucked. 0.99

00:03:41.000 The whole ride sucked, sucked, sucked, sucked. 1.00

00:03:44.000 It just sucks. 0.99

00:03:44.000 So it sounds like you got to try it at least once. 0.99

00:03:47.000 Yeah.

00:03:47.000 And figure it out.

00:03:48.000 Just doing it the way you did it for three minutes.

00:03:51.000 Like I said, the first time I did, I did like a minute and 24 seconds.

00:03:54.000 I couldn't chicken out in front of all the guys.

00:03:56.000 You know what I mean?

00:03:57.000 It's like when Hassan says, well, I did it three minutes to show up for the rocks.

00:04:01.000 Like, okay, I'm not going to be the one who chickens out at a minute.

00:04:05.000 That's not an option.

00:04:06.000 Well, you did it.

00:04:07.000 You did it.

00:04:08.000 No, it was good.

00:04:08.000 It was good.

00:04:09.000 It was very challenging.

00:04:10.000 It was good.

00:04:12.000 We don't have a cold punch.

00:04:14.000 It's like, okay, I'm not going to go and find bags of ice every single day from 7-Eleven and dump in the bathtub.

00:04:19.000 So I just, when I can, I just dump my face in ice cubes and water.

00:04:25.000 That's good, too.

00:04:27.000 Yeah, that'll wake you up.

00:04:28.000 All that stuff's good.

00:04:30.000 There's some pretty reasonably priced options for coolers that you could actually do in a bathtub now.

00:04:35.000 There's a bunch of different ways you should do it, but if you've got the scratch, like one of these blue cubes or something similar, or Morosco makes a really good one too, they're really good.

00:04:44.000 I can see how the after feeling gets kind of addictive.

00:04:50.000 I'm sure someone will reach out to you. 1.00

00:04:53.000 Try to get you to use their shit. 1.00

00:04:56.000 It's very good though. 1.00

00:04:57.000 Yeah.

00:04:58.000 But it's also like the camaraderie, the fun.

00:05:00.000 For sure.

00:05:01.000 Have fun, listen to music.

00:05:02.000 For sure.

00:05:03.000 Laugh a lot.

00:05:03.000 Exactly.

00:05:04.000 Yeah.

00:05:05.000 This is perfect.

00:05:06.000 Yeah, it's a good way to get a podcast started.

00:05:08.000 Yeah.

00:05:09.000 Oh, and by the way, congratulations to the marijuana enjoyers of the world because the DEA officially rescheduled marijuana.

00:05:16.000 They're going to reschedule it to Schedule 3. Wow.

00:05:18.000 Which still, it shouldn't be illegal.

00:05:21.000 Yes.

00:05:22.000 We know that.

00:05:22.000 I agree.

00:05:23.000 But baby steps.

00:05:24.000 Yeah.

00:05:25.000 The fact that it's making progress at all just shows that the collective will of the people is being heard, at least somewhat.

00:05:32.000 Yeah.

00:05:33.000 I'm trying to remember who it was.

00:05:36.000 Somebody was telling me that the decriminalization crew, they gave an American flag made out of hemp to a member of Congress to fly above the Capitol.

00:05:49.000 Because it's a normal thing.

00:05:51.000 You know, I would get people when I was in Congress calling and saying, hey, it's, you know, my friend is retiring from the military from 30 years.

00:05:58.000 Can you fly a flag in honor of him or her?

00:06:01.000 And so you get a little certificate with it.

00:06:03.000 And there are many flags that go up and down every day that are given as gifts to people.

00:06:08.000 So someone did it with a flag, American flag made out of hemp. 0.60

00:06:12.000 And apparently it caused major problems within the DEA and within the administration saying, how dare you?

00:06:20.000 How could anyone allow this to happen?

00:06:23.000 It made zero sense whatsoever.

00:06:25.000 But it just pointed to the backwards mindset and thinking and the sensitivity within the DEA and the government around that.

00:06:36.000 Cannabis, hemp, marijuana.

00:06:38.000 It just seems a massive lack of education, too.

00:06:42.000 It's not as simple as, you know, you're thinking of it in connection to marijuana.

00:06:47.000 It's hemp is a commodity that has existed forever.

00:06:51.000 In fact, canvas that writers paint on or that painters, artists paint on.

00:06:56.000 The original word, canvas, came from cannabis.

00:06:59.000 It was made out of hemp.

00:07:01.000 Interesting.

00:07:02.000 They made hemp paper.

00:07:03.000 It's a better paper.

00:07:04.000 They made hemp clothing.

00:07:06.000 It's far superior to cotton.

00:07:08.000 The only reason why they...

00:07:10.000 This is where it gets weird.

00:07:12.000 It has...

00:07:13.000 There's a bunch of things that took place that took hemp away from being a common source of paper and clothing.

00:07:22.000 But one of them was making slavery illegal.

00:07:25.000 Because before they came out with the decorticator, the primary way they used to process hemp fiber was really painstaking.

00:07:35.000 Because it's an incredible plant.

00:07:37.000 Yeah.

00:07:38.000 It's a very light plant, but it's insanely durable.

00:07:41.000 Like, hemp clothing is so much more durable.

00:07:44.000 Like, I have a hemp jujitsu gi from Datsura.

00:07:47.000 Okay. 0.97

00:07:48.000 And that sucker never rips. 0.97

00:07:50.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:07:50.000 My cotton gis, they're good for, like... 0.97

00:07:53.000 You know, you wear them for like six months, a year, shit starts going. 0.94

00:07:58.000 Even like really strong, stable cotton threads start going. 0.98

00:08:01.000 These hemp geese are like, they're invincible.

00:08:04.000 It's crazy.

00:08:05.000 And hemp paper is so difficult to tear.

00:08:08.000 It's like a completely different kind of paper.

00:08:10.000 Makes no sense.

00:08:11.000 Yeah.

00:08:11.000 It's an amazing rope.

00:08:13.000 It's like you could use it to make concrete.

00:08:15.000 They make hemp.

00:08:16.000 Have you seen that where they make houses with it?

00:08:18.000 Yeah.

00:08:18.000 My dad is a state senator in Hawaii.

00:08:21.000 He's the chair of the Agriculture Committee.

00:08:23.000 And for years, he's been the state's biggest advocate for hemp as an economic driver and to try to help revive agriculture in Hawaii.

00:08:33.000 Yeah.

00:08:50.000 A really viable and thriving industry in our country because people are growing crops of hemp, but they've got to go through all of this crazy THC testing.

00:09:02.000 And I've talked to people who are farmers and business people who are investing in this, and they've had to throw entire crops away because of...

00:09:12.000 I don't know the details about the testing, but it just...

00:09:15.000 One plus one doesn't equal two when you look at the reality of the benefits of hemp and the farming process and the concerns that they have within the DEA. So is the concern if it has any level of THC at all becomes illegal, even if you're just processing it as a commodity and you're not using it?

00:09:33.000 Right.

00:09:33.000 Correct.

00:09:33.000 But did they understand, like, it's very valuable as a commodity.

00:09:36.000 Yes. 1.00

00:09:37.000 It's so stupid. 1.00

00:09:39.000 This whole thing is stupid because we're always concerned about, and rightly so, about cutting down forests to make paper. 1.00

00:09:46.000 Right. 1.00

00:09:46.000 Right? 1.00

00:09:47.000 Well, guess what?

00:09:48.000 Hemp paper, you can grow an entire—first of all, it's much more viable.

00:09:53.000 You have much more product.

00:09:56.000 It's much more durable, and you can regrow it quick.

00:10:00.000 Exactly.

00:10:00.000 It just grows right back again, whereas trees takes years and years to grow them back.

00:10:05.000 Hemp, you've got another season.

00:10:06.000 Whoop!

00:10:06.000 Okay, here's the hemp plant.

00:10:08.000 Grows crazy fast, super light, super durable.

00:10:11.000 Yeah.

00:10:11.000 Just got to think about it as a commodity and stop connecting it to marijuana.

00:10:15.000 Exactly.

00:10:15.000 And you're going, well, this is invaluable because this could solve a lot of our problems, especially with deforestation.

00:10:20.000 And then if you look at it for building materials, like, wait, this might be the greatest building material we can use.

00:10:26.000 It's incredible insulation.

00:10:28.000 It's very durable and strong.

00:10:30.000 And again, renewable, like instantaneously.

00:10:33.000 It grows so quick.

00:10:34.000 Yeah.

00:10:35.000 What's interesting, I mean, for us in Hawaii, I mean, tourism is the biggest economic driver we have.

00:10:40.000 And every time there's, you know, in the post 9-11 when people weren't traveling so much, during COVID, when everything shut down, businesses go out of business.

00:10:49.000 Small businesses are driven out because if they don't have that driver.

00:10:52.000 So the conversation always comes up about, okay, well, we've got to diversify our economy.

00:10:55.000 And this is one of those areas that has huge potential for a small island state like ours in Hawaii to And what's interesting is Mitch McConnell...

00:11:08.000 I believe he's from Kentucky.

00:11:10.000 Their state is also a state that is promoting hemp as a major agriculture driver.

00:11:17.000 So there's opportunity there, but it requires a lot more education from those both in the administration and in Congress to actually take down those barriers and allow it to actually truly be an industry in America.

00:11:29.000 When we first started selling hemp protein on it, we used to have to get it from Canada.

00:11:34.000 Hmm.

00:11:34.000 You can sell it in America.

00:11:36.000 Can't grow it here.

00:11:37.000 I was like, what?

00:11:38.000 It's just food.

00:11:39.000 It's just hemp seeds.

00:11:40.000 It's really good for you.

00:11:42.000 It's full of amino acids and rich in protein.

00:11:45.000 And they're like, no, can't grow it. 1.00

00:11:46.000 That shit's illegal. 1.00

00:11:47.000 You know what's nuts, too, is the military... 1.00

00:11:53.000 People who are on active duty in the military, they can't put hemp seeds in their smoothie. 0.78

00:11:57.000 They can't use any CBD bomb that you can buy at the freaking gas station or anything at all.

00:12:04.000 CBD bomb? 0.90

00:12:05.000 Yeah, CBD bomb.

00:12:06.000 Anything that has your energy drink that has...

00:12:11.000 CBD? Kill Cliff?

00:12:12.000 Cannot.

00:12:13.000 Not allowed.

00:12:14.000 You could seriously get punished if you were caught.

00:12:17.000 Are they testing blood for CBD? They're not testing blood for CBD. So it's just illegal.

00:12:24.000 So if you get caught with the product.

00:12:26.000 If you get caught with the product, correct.

00:12:28.000 And their fear is like you're going to piss hot because you take the random urinalysis tests and everything else.

00:12:35.000 But it...

00:12:36.000 So, I laughed.

00:12:38.000 You know, I mean, again, it's lack of education, it's fear, and it's like, well, this is banned by the federal government, so the military must comply.

00:12:44.000 But at the same time, the guy within the army, the civilian who was putting out this policy...

00:12:53.000 He also said you're not allowed to eat anything with poppy seed.

00:12:55.000 You can't eat a poppy seed muffin because you might piss hot.

00:12:58.000 I was going to bring that up.

00:12:58.000 That's the wildest one.

00:13:00.000 Well, you will.

00:13:00.000 Yeah, you will.

00:13:01.000 You can go to Dubai.

00:13:03.000 You go places where it's seriously strict, Saudi Arabia.

00:13:07.000 They'll test you for heroin.

00:13:09.000 You'll test positive for heroin.

00:13:11.000 Yeah.

00:13:11.000 Unreal.

00:13:12.000 Poppy seeds are rough.

00:13:12.000 That's a scary one.

00:13:13.000 It's like, wait a minute.

00:13:14.000 Bagel poppy seeds?

00:13:16.000 Those things are going to get piss hot for heroin? 0.99

00:13:18.000 Lemon poppy seeds.

00:13:18.000 Poppy seed muffin?

00:13:20.000 What?

00:13:20.000 They tell you if you go in for a drug test, do not eat poppy seeds before you go.

00:13:23.000 It's crazy.

00:13:25.000 What?

00:13:26.000 Bagels.

00:13:27.000 How bad is your test?

00:13:28.000 Right.

00:13:29.000 That's the point.

00:13:30.000 Yeah.

00:13:31.000 How bad is your test?

00:13:32.000 Technology, biology, like all this stuff.

00:13:34.000 Your test doesn't know that I just ate a bagel? 1.00

00:13:37.000 This is so stupid. 1.00

00:13:38.000 You're going to put someone in a cage for eating a bagel? 1.00

00:13:41.000 Yeah, but like for a guy in the military, that could be the end of your freaking career. 0.99

00:13:44.000 It could. 0.84

00:13:44.000 You'd be kicked out for it. 0.84

00:13:45.000 Yeah.

00:13:46.000 And, you know, just being at a party and people are smoking.

00:13:49.000 Yeah.

00:13:49.000 And, you know, you get secondhand smoke and you'll test positive.

00:13:52.000 Yeah.

00:13:52.000 You know, those tests are probably pretty rough because people definitely get high from secondhand smoke.

00:13:58.000 I've seen it happen before.

00:13:59.000 I've seen sober people go into a room that's filled with pot and everyone comes out like a little loopy, like, you're breathing in the same air.

00:14:07.000 You're breathing in pot air.

00:14:09.000 I used to have a dog that I got.

00:14:11.000 She was a stray and she was a little prone to anxiety as it is.

00:14:14.000 And if she was in the room when people smoked pot, she would get high and she'd get paranoid.

00:14:18.000 She started hiding under tables.

00:14:20.000 I was like, aw, Lucy.

00:14:22.000 She was sad.

00:14:23.000 Not good.

00:14:25.000 She didn't get the chill factor.

00:14:27.000 She was like, the world is dangerous.

00:14:30.000 She used to live on the street. 0.98

00:14:32.000 Man.

00:14:34.000 I guess it's a good thing that they've scheduled it, Schedule 3. But for sure, forget about the drug part.

00:14:41.000 They should be encouraging hemp production in this country.

00:14:44.000 It's an amazing food source.

00:14:47.000 Hemp has all of the essential amino acids.

00:14:50.000 It's very rich in protein.

00:14:52.000 It's easily digestible.

00:14:54.000 As far as plant-based protein, for me, is my favorite one and the easiest one to digest.

00:15:00.000 It's just easy.

00:15:01.000 It goes down smooth.

00:15:02.000 There's no problem at all.

00:15:04.000 It's very good for you.

00:15:06.000 And CBD is very good for you.

00:15:07.000 But forget about all that.

00:15:09.000 Just for a commodity and for building construction and clothing.

00:15:14.000 The first draft of the Declaration of Independence was written on hemp.

00:15:18.000 I've heard that.

00:15:19.000 Yeah.

00:15:20.000 It was used for everything.

00:15:22.000 It was used for ropes, for sailboats.

00:15:26.000 They made sails out of it.

00:15:28.000 The canvas, that was all made out of cannabis initially.

00:15:30.000 It was all hemp.

00:15:33.000 I introduced legislation in Congress to deschedule it completely because it shouldn't be.

00:15:39.000 The wildest thing is how it happened in the first place.

00:15:41.000 The wildest thing how it happened in the first place is because it was all...

00:15:44.000 William Randolph Hearst and Harry Anslinger.

00:15:47.000 And so what happened was William Randolph Hearst, who owned Hearst Publications, he also owned not just newspapers but he owned paper mills and he owned forests.

00:15:57.000 So he had all these forests that they would cut down the wood and use it to make paper.

00:16:02.000 Well, if they were going to transfer over to hemp, this is going to be very costly.

00:16:07.000 And the cover of Popular Science magazine in, I think it was 1930, find out what year that cover was.

00:16:14.000 It says, Because they came up with a new machine, and it was called a decorticator.

00:16:21.000 And this new device was a device that allows you to effectively process the hemp fiber in a much quicker and easier way.

00:16:28.000 So it's this machine that grinds it up.

00:16:30.000 And so once they do this, they go, oh boy, we figured out, they've solved this problem of hemp.

00:16:35.000 It's very durable.

00:16:37.000 But it's really difficult to break down to the actual fibers.

00:16:40.000 So 1938. Oh, wow.

00:16:42.000 So this comes out in 1938, Hemp the New Billion Dollar Crop.

00:16:47.000 And so it's the cover of Popular Science magazine.

00:16:50.000 Do they have the cover so you can see what it says?

00:16:53.000 Oh, just an article?

00:16:55.000 Oh, wow.

00:16:58.000 Popular Mechanics magazine.

00:16:59.000 I'm sorry.

00:17:01.000 So...

00:17:02.000 So the article is from 1938. And so when they come out with this, they talk about this new invention.

00:17:07.000 See if you could find a photo of the decorticator.

00:17:10.000 Because it's like this grindy kind of thing.

00:17:13.000 Is that what it looks like?

00:17:15.000 Hemp the new billion-dollar crop.

00:17:17.000 So once they had this ability to really quickly turn it into fibers, then big industry starts getting involved. 0.99

00:17:25.000 And what they start doing is they start making these stories and putting them in the newspaper about Mexicans and black people smoking this new drug called marijuana and raping white women. 0.97

00:17:39.000 And marijuana was not Marijuana was a wild Mexican tobacco. 0.99

00:17:48.000 It was a slang for a wild Mexican tobacco.

00:17:50.000 It had nothing to do with marijuana.

00:17:52.000 So they started attaching this name to something and calling it a drug because they knew that cannabis was so ubiquitous.

00:17:59.000 And hemp as a commodity, everybody knew what it was good for.

00:18:04.000 Right.

00:18:05.000 So they had to come up with some sneaky way to get it through.

00:18:08.000 So they come up with the word marijuana.

00:18:10.000 So marijuana was not a term for pot.

00:18:13.000 It wasn't a term for cannabis.

00:18:15.000 It was a term for this wild Mexican tobacco.

00:18:17.000 And so when they started making marijuana illegal, Congress didn't even understand that it was the same thing as hemp.

00:18:25.000 And so they had to come up with some sort of a tax stamp that you can have in order to grow hemp.

00:18:31.000 While marijuana is illegal.

00:18:33.000 And then this is like right after prohibition, right?

00:18:36.000 Right.

00:18:37.000 So prohibition ends.

00:18:38.000 You got all these cops that were used to busting people like, sick them on the farmers now. 0.99

00:18:42.000 Exactly.

00:18:42.000 And this is what happened.

00:18:43.000 Exactly.

00:18:44.000 And then they come up with these dopey movies that are amazing to watch today.

00:18:48.000 Have you ever seen Reefer Madness?

00:18:50.000 Mm-mm.

00:18:51.000 It's crazy.

00:18:52.000 It's like people smoking pot just jumping out of windows and killing people.

00:18:57.000 Talk about some propaganda.

00:18:59.000 Oh, it's the worst propaganda.

00:19:00.000 But it was really effective.

00:19:02.000 Like, this is it.

00:19:03.000 I've got a few of these posters.

00:19:06.000 Weird.

00:19:06.000 I have them framed.

00:19:09.000 Oh my gosh.

00:19:11.000 Because these movies were insane.

00:19:12.000 And they were just full on propaganda movies.

00:19:15.000 Lust, crime, sorrow, hate, shame, despair.

00:19:18.000 Find the movie.

00:19:19.000 Find a clip from the movie Reefer Madness.

00:19:21.000 We'll just watch it without playing it.

00:19:22.000 But it was so nutty.

00:19:24.000 And they scared everybody.

00:19:25.000 Like, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. 0.92

00:19:28.000 Understand that media has sucked forever.

00:19:33.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.94

00:19:34.000 Just understand that.

00:19:35.000 So this is reefer madness.

00:19:39.000 So that dude on the piano, he's a reefer man. 0.99

00:19:46.000 Marijuana, the burning weed with its roots in hell. 0.59

00:19:52.000 Look it up!

00:19:53.000 In this film, you will see the ease with which this vicious plant can be grown in your neighbor's yard, rolled into harmless-looking cigarettes, hidden in an innocent shoe or watch case.

00:20:06.000 In this startling film, you will see dumpsters lure children to destruction.

00:20:11.000 We're going over to Joe's place.

00:20:12.000 Why don't you come along?

00:20:13.000 We have a date to play a set of doubles.

00:20:15.000 Oh, you can play anytime.

00:20:16.000 Come on, we'll have some laughs.

00:20:17.000 Can I go along with you?

00:20:18.000 Sure.

00:20:18.000 Hey, I'll see you at dinner, sis.

00:20:21.000 If you want a good smoke, try one of these.

00:20:24.000 You will meet Bill, who wants to pride in his strong will as he takes the first step toward enslavement.

00:20:33.000 Enslavement.

00:20:38.000 Smoking the soul-destroying reefer, they find a moment's pleasure, but at a terrible price.

00:20:45.000 Debauchery!

00:20:46.000 Violence!

00:20:47.000 Murder!

00:20:48.000 Oh! 0.60

00:20:49.000 Wow.

00:20:50.000 Look, she's just gonna jump out the window. 1.00

00:20:52.000 Oh my gosh.

00:20:54.000 Jeez!

00:20:59.000 Apparently it makes you act terrible, too.

00:21:01.000 Right.

00:21:02.000 Terrible at acting.

00:21:03.000 Look at this guy.

00:21:05.000 Play faster.

00:21:13.000 She's actually playing pretty good for someone who's stoned. 0.69

00:21:15.000 Yeah.

00:21:16.000 You know, imagine being hammered and trying to play that.

00:21:18.000 Oh my gosh.

00:21:19.000 Yeah.

00:21:20.000 So this was the propaganda from, and what year was that, Jamie?

00:21:23.000 36. 36. Wow.

00:21:24.000 So this is all, they're all like trying to stop hemp as a commodity.

00:21:30.000 Wow.

00:21:30.000 That's really what it's all about.

00:21:33.000 Isn't it fascinating just to see the repetition of the propaganda, information, warfare to be able to serve a special interest? 0.93

00:21:44.000 Yeah, it's ridiculous. 0.80

00:21:45.000 And it's ridiculous that it's always existed. 0.85

00:21:47.000 And that it was going on almost 100 years ago.

00:21:51.000 And what's also important about it is, the problem with something like that is that now you don't trust the media, right?

00:21:57.000 Now if you don't trust the media, and then you go out and try it yourself, you don't have real accurate information.

00:22:02.000 Because now there's like this, there's these narratives that have been created that aren't based on truth, and so you don't know where to go.

00:22:09.000 You don't know what's real and what's not, and then you have people that tell you it's harmless, and then you have people tell you, well, there's people like me that go, Nah, because I'm like, it's not harmless.

00:22:18.000 Marijuana is not a harmless thing.

00:22:19.000 You definitely shouldn't take it when you're young.

00:22:21.000 And here's what's really important.

00:22:23.000 Some people can't handle it for whatever reason.

00:22:26.000 And it's most likely some biological thing, just like some people are allergic to aspirin or whatever.

00:22:31.000 Like there's some people, they don't mix well with that stuff.

00:22:35.000 And there's a real connection between schizophrenia with some people that maybe are susceptible to schizophrenia.

00:22:43.000 Alex Berenson wrote a great book about it called Tell Your Children.

00:22:46.000 It's very interesting because there's real instances of people taking high doses and getting schizophrenic.

00:22:52.000 But if we're being lied to about it, no one knows who's going to give me the information.

00:22:59.000 Where's the truth coming out?

00:23:01.000 Because if one group is saying that this is a Schedule I chemical and it's very dangerous, then all your friends are just smoking weed and going to the movies.

00:23:08.000 You're like, well, clearly...

00:23:10.000 This is not that dangerous.

00:23:11.000 Like jujitsu people and surfers, they're all getting high.

00:23:14.000 What's real here?

00:23:16.000 And because we don't have the ability to just honestly talk about things without everything getting so weird and like the hemp thing, like having a hemp flag, like this is a problem with the DEA. Hey guys, don't you have fentanyl to worry about?

00:23:33.000 Why are you fucking with flags? 0.99

00:23:35.000 Seriously, it makes no sense. 0.99

00:23:36.000 There's only 10,000 DEA agents!

00:23:38.000 I think there's 10,100 some DEA agents.

00:23:41.000 You guys got time for flags?

00:23:43.000 How many pounds of fentanyl is coming through that border while we're talking? 0.98

00:23:48.000 While you and I are talking, how much fentanyl is making it across in people's shoes and underwear and where the fuck they're hiding it? 0.97

00:23:55.000 No one's checking everybody. 0.97

00:23:57.000 Yeah.

00:23:57.000 No, it's true.

00:23:59.000 And then, of course, all the medicinal qualities of CBD as well and how many people and kids and just people are benefiting from that.

00:24:09.000 Well, Dave Foley told me that his arthritis was so bad that his fingers were kind of like locked in this position.

00:24:14.000 He had a really hard time straightening them until he started taking CBD. Interesting.

00:24:17.000 And then it's like, it's so much better now.

00:24:20.000 Wow.

00:24:20.000 Just like my fingers have full range of motion now.

00:24:23.000 Yeah.

00:24:23.000 I know so many people that take it for like aches and pains and And it actually helps some people with anxiety, too, which is interesting.

00:24:30.000 The conflict here is, as you know, you know, as majority of states in the country have legalized it in some fashion, whether it's medicinal or recreational or whatever, all these different levels.

00:24:40.000 But because of the federal prohibition, essentially, you know, you've got banking.

00:24:47.000 It is a multi, I don't know, multi hundred million dollar industry, at least at this point.

00:24:53.000 But in order to be able to conduct business with the bank, the bank and the business owner faces a potential federal charge of a crime.

00:25:03.000 And so it's, you know, the second, third, fourth order of effects of this scheduling of cannabis is very, very far-reaching and creating a worse problem, which, you know, is, you know, okay, so we do this on the black market,

00:25:19.000 does this just become a cash industry, or where does this go?

00:25:21.000 Right.

00:25:22.000 Yeah, and the problem also is by having some states have it legal and some states have it illegal, then you still open up a market for illegal sales in the country, and what happens is the cartel comes in and they start growing it on public lands.

00:25:38.000 I had a guy on the podcast, his name is John Norris, and he started off as a game warden.

00:25:43.000 So he started off as a guy who's going to check fishing licenses and stuff.

00:25:47.000 One day, they find that a stream has been diverted, and they're trying to figure out why, why the stream has dried up.

00:25:53.000 So they make their way up the stream, and they find this irrigation system that's set up for an illegal marijuana grow up in the middle of public land in California.

00:26:03.000 So then they develop a tactical team.

00:26:06.000 So it goes from him being a game ward to now they have dogs and bulletproof vests.

00:26:10.000 They're getting in shootouts with the cartel.

00:26:12.000 Because they're making millions of dollars, but they're using really dangerous chemicals and pesticides that are illegal to use on crops in America. 0.99

00:26:21.000 They're just using that shit up there. 1.00

00:26:23.000 So who knows what the fuck you're getting if you're living in one of these states that has illegal pot. 1.00

00:26:28.000 Because when California changed the law and made marijuana legal recreationally, they made growing marijuana without a license. 0.99

00:26:36.000 It's just a misdemeanor.

00:26:38.000 So these guys that are just doing it now from the cartel, they're like, you have nothing to risk.

00:26:43.000 It's a misdemeanor, and we can make millions and millions of dollars.

00:26:46.000 And so they have these guys up there. 0.99

00:26:48.000 They have rosaries and all those photos of Jesus and shit they find in campgrounds. 0.98

00:26:53.000 And they pay these guys to go out there, grow this stuff, and then bring it out. 0.99

00:26:59.000 Harvest it and bring it out.

00:27:00.000 And they're selling it.

00:27:02.000 He said that, I think, believe, John said at the time of our podcast that 90% of all the marijuana that's being sold in the states where it's illegal is all from these grow-ups, a lot of them in California, on public land by the cartels.

00:27:17.000 90%.

00:27:18.000 Yeah.

00:27:19.000 90%.

00:27:19.000 That's huge.

00:27:20.000 Even good old-fashioned American pot-growing entrepreneurs, the illegal ones, they can't keep up with the cartel.

00:27:26.000 And this is because it's illegal.

00:27:28.000 And this is the same reason why fentanyl's coming in.

00:27:30.000 I mean...

00:27:32.000 Don't do heroin, kids.

00:27:34.000 Okay?

00:27:34.000 But if you keep everything illegal, you're going to just prop up the government of these countries that is allowing this stuff to come in and they're allowing people to grow it or they can't do anything about it because the cartel has so much money and so much power that the government is basically helpless.

00:27:55.000 And it's being propped up by Americans.

00:27:58.000 100%.

00:27:59.000 100%.

00:28:00.000 It's a rough thing to deal with because we don't want to say, oh, let's make all drugs legal.

00:28:07.000 Because, my God, the last thing you want is your kid to die of a drug overdose.

00:28:10.000 So nobody wants kids to be doing drugs.

00:28:13.000 Right.

00:28:14.000 But also, if you don't do that, you're just going to empower our neighbors to the south who happen to be drug dealers, some of them, and they're making billions of dollars selling drugs to America.

00:28:26.000 And you're killing kids at a rate higher than ever in recorded history.

00:28:31.000 People are dying.

00:28:33.000 There's a hundred thousand plus people every year that are dying from opiate overdoses.

00:28:38.000 Which is nuts.

00:28:39.000 That's so much.

00:28:41.000 It's crazy that it's happening here in the United States of America.

00:28:44.000 And the thing is, this is where it's hard.

00:28:47.000 It's happening because it's illegal, which sounds so counterintuitive.

00:28:53.000 The problem is, if it was legal, there would be a long period of time where it would be really bad.

00:29:00.000 You know, I think if it was legal, too many people would try it that wouldn't try it.

00:29:06.000 Wouldn't have otherwise.

00:29:07.000 Yeah.

00:29:08.000 They're not going to go to a drug dealer.

00:29:09.000 Yeah.

00:29:10.000 But if they can just go to CVS and buy heroin, like, let's see what the fuss is all about.

00:29:14.000 Yeah.

00:29:14.000 You know?

00:29:15.000 That's spooky.

00:29:16.000 I think that this is the conversation that needs to be had, though.

00:29:20.000 You know what I mean?

00:29:20.000 I mean, it's the same thing about people unwilling to even discuss what is the right path?

00:29:26.000 How do we handle this crisis that is a national crisis that's taking so many people's lives?

00:29:33.000 Tell people not to do it.

00:29:35.000 Yeah, right.

00:29:38.000 Well, that works out.

00:29:40.000 That doesn't work.

00:29:41.000 It doesn't work.

00:29:45.000 We're in a weird spot.

00:29:47.000 I was in San Diego a few weeks ago.

00:29:50.000 We went out to film a little mini-documentary about what's happening at the border in San Diego.

00:29:57.000 There's a lot of attention being put on Texas and Arizona, but California's border is a whole different dynamic, both because they've got You know, a long stretch of border where you're crossing in and you're going straight to mountains, you know, big open spaces.

00:30:13.000 But then you've got the very dense urban corridor, I suppose, where people, whether they're coming in through the water or they're just coming across the border, where they can disappear into neighborhoods very quickly.

00:30:28.000 But there's a few things that were very eye-opening and interesting.

00:30:31.000 Number one is we know that the borders are open because we know how many people are coming through.

00:30:36.000 The numbers that are being reported, I think, is close to 9 million now just over the course of the Biden administration.

00:30:43.000 What I saw there were...

00:30:47.000 People coming in and we were just driving around and we saw groups of people gathering in different locations from all over the world, illegal immigrants, and seemingly happy and going to the place where they were told to go or they knew that Border Patrol was going to pick them up.

00:31:02.000 And knowing that they will get processed, claim asylum, and most of them will be out with a plane ticket anywhere in the country within 24 hours.

00:31:13.000 That's crazy.

00:31:16.000 And I've talked to some of the Border Patrol agents and they're not allowed to say anything on the record, but just the frustration that's being felt where they can't even do their job.

00:31:27.000 What is the justification for the plane ticket?

00:31:32.000 They don't have the ability to house people where they are.

00:31:38.000 Where do you want to go?

00:31:40.000 Utah?

00:31:40.000 Okay, here you go.

00:31:43.000 Where do you want to go?

00:31:43.000 New York City?

00:31:44.000 And I went and I talked to a lot of them.

00:31:46.000 I sat down and talked with people from Brazil, from Egypt, from Colombia, from Venezuela, from different parts of Eastern Europe, people from all over the world coming here with the known plan in this well-oiled machine.

00:32:03.000 And I'm talking about this because it is very directed to the cartel, directly connected to the cartel's We're good to go.

00:32:25.000 And so we spent a couple of days at the border there and then went into the city of San Diego and went and started talking to some homeless people and talking to people who were clearly, clearly extremely high on multiple drugs.

00:32:42.000 And we're walking around with one of the community relations police officers there who's just plainclothes.

00:32:47.000 He's walking around and keeping an eye on what's going on there.

00:32:50.000 But we talked to this one guy who had a crack pipe in his hand.

00:32:53.000 He seemed barely conscious, but he was engaging in a long conversation with us.

00:33:00.000 And I was asking him about fentanyl.

00:33:03.000 And he's like, oh yeah, I take fentanyl sometimes.

00:33:06.000 But I usually take it at night to help me go to sleep.

00:33:09.000 I asked, like, aren't you afraid of not waking up?

00:33:12.000 He's like, yeah, I've had a lot of friends who died from fentanyl, but I know how much to take and I know how to manage it.

00:33:19.000 And have you?

00:33:20.000 He's like, yeah, I almost died twice and I was revived.

00:33:25.000 And then asking him, the police officer asked him, what would it take to get you off the street?

00:33:31.000 What would it take to get you to a place where you can get some help?

00:33:34.000 And to get off drugs.

00:33:36.000 And he said, he's a 27-year-old guy.

00:33:40.000 Nothing.

00:33:41.000 Nothing.

00:33:44.000 He said, there's too many rules in the places where I could go and stay.

00:33:49.000 And I want to live my life this way.

00:33:53.000 It was so heartbreaking to see him.

00:33:56.000 You know, his eyes were barely open and clearly in an altered state of mind.

00:34:01.000 But even in that state in this conversation, how do you help someone who doesn't want to be helped?

00:34:09.000 You can't.

00:34:12.000 It's the problem.

00:34:13.000 I mean, you could talk to them.

00:34:14.000 You could hope that they could get some information from you that shifts the way they think about things, but the addiction gets so deep.

00:34:22.000 And there's this thing that some addicts will say, is that...

00:34:28.000 I feel better when I'm high.

00:34:30.000 That it's the only time I feel good.

00:34:31.000 It's the only thing good that I have in my life is when I get high.

00:34:35.000 And if you take that away, my life is terrible.

00:34:38.000 And if you've been an addict for a long time, the longer you're an addict, in fact, the more that's true, right?

00:34:43.000 Because the more your life is a wreck, and then you're forced to deal with it when you come off and you realize, like, oh my god, I'm 45 years old and I'm a heroin addict. 1.00

00:34:51.000 Like, what the fuck? 0.99

00:34:53.000 How is this? 1.00

00:34:54.000 Exactly.

00:34:54.000 And then now you're sober and your life is in shambles and you try to like figure out how did you go so wrong?

00:35:00.000 And then the only thing that made you feel good was heroin.

00:35:02.000 You want to go back.

00:35:03.000 You want to go back to that.

00:35:05.000 And it's also people like get really scared of success.

00:35:08.000 Even success and staying sober.

00:35:10.000 They get scared of doing things well.

00:35:12.000 And they seek comfort in failure because they've become accustomed to failure.

00:35:16.000 So the pressure of doing well and of staying sober and keeping healthy, it's almost too much.

00:35:24.000 Just the maintaining, the psychological, the anxiety, all the fear that comes with failing, that you just want to fail just so you can just feel comfortable again.

00:35:35.000 Because then you don't have to...

00:35:37.000 There's no pressure.

00:35:37.000 Yeah.

00:35:38.000 You don't have to deal with the pressure.

00:35:39.000 Yeah.

00:35:39.000 It's scary.

00:35:40.000 The human mind is so susceptible to so many different things, whether it's cults or addictions or, you know, I mean, we're very weirdly vulnerable to a lot of, like, very strange things.

00:35:54.000 And a lot of these things, I think, a lot of the mental issues are accentuated by social media.

00:36:03.000 They exacerbate them badly.

00:36:05.000 I think there's a lot of undiagnosed mentally ill people that are just killing themselves by being online all the time.

00:36:12.000 Yeah, I believe it.

00:36:13.000 I really do.

00:36:14.000 I think it's terrible for you.

00:36:15.000 Yeah.

00:36:16.000 I mean, it's so easy to get sucked into it.

00:36:18.000 It's so easy.

00:36:19.000 And people that are, like, arguing with people constantly online, like, my God, what a terrible waste of time.

00:36:25.000 Yeah.

00:36:25.000 When that becomes your reality, dealing with people and perceptions and, you know, measuring yourself against whatever you're seeing and all of it, and you slip out of the real world and building real relationships and friendships and having real conversations.

00:36:40.000 Yeah.

00:36:41.000 Yeah, comparing too.

00:36:43.000 The comparing is something that you and I didn't have to grow up with.

00:36:46.000 Exactly.

00:36:46.000 And we're very, very fortunate because especially young girls today, and Jonathan Haidt's work on this has been really interesting.

00:36:54.000 His book, The Cobbling of the American Mind is a great one. 0.60

00:36:57.000 And it's all about what you could see, like, exactly when social media is invented, all this self-harm and all the suicidal thoughts, suicidal ideation and suicide all goes up for girls. 0.69

00:37:10.000 And it's comparing themselves.

00:37:12.000 Doesn't surprise me.

00:37:13.000 Yeah.

00:37:13.000 Absolutely.

00:37:14.000 It's such a bizarre thing that a person can get super-duper famous just dancing on an app that goes online and then they make millions of dollars and they're like your age.

00:37:26.000 And you're like, what's wrong with me? 0.96

00:37:28.000 I'm a loser. 0.99

00:37:29.000 You can't just live your life and hang out with your friends. 0.99

00:37:32.000 Everyone is in constant comparison with impossible people that shouldn't even exist.

00:37:38.000 And then you add the layer of AI onto that where you have complete, you've got videos and pictures of people who are a digital construct.

00:37:49.000 Not just that.

00:37:49.000 People are paying to talk to them.

00:37:52.000 Right.

00:37:52.000 There's this guy, they were doing this study on AI girlfriends where people have interactions with AI. This guy was spending $10,000 a month on his AI girlfriend.

00:38:02.000 Oh my gosh.

00:38:03.000 Oh my gosh.

00:38:04.000 ISIS could get that guy. 0.82

00:38:06.000 They just gotta find him.

00:38:07.000 If they just find that guy, they can talk that guy into anything.

00:38:09.000 If you're willing to get an AI girlfriend $10,000 a month, yeah, you'll join the Moonies.

00:38:18.000 Whatever comes along grabs you, son.

00:38:21.000 You're vulnerable.

00:38:22.000 They'll get you.

00:38:23.000 You look at what's happening on college campuses across the country right now.

00:38:28.000 It speaks exactly to that.

00:38:30.000 That vulnerability of being manipulated or sold an ideology and then grabbing onto it as though you now have a sense of purpose.

00:38:45.000 Yeah.

00:38:46.000 That's the problem.

00:38:47.000 The sense of purpose is, like, so attractive to people that there's so many kids that want to be, like, so righteous, and they just want to, like, criticize and yell at other people who don't feel the same way they do.

00:38:59.000 And so, like, you're seeing these Israel versus Palestine things on school campuses.

00:39:06.000 I'm like, my God.

00:39:08.000 Which brings me to, this is an interesting thought, like, what are your, what's your opinion on this potential TikTok ban?

00:39:19.000 I oppose it.

00:39:20.000 I oppose it on the grounds of free speech and civil liberties.

00:39:24.000 Speaking of fomenting fear, this is one of those pieces of legislation that's, if you just read the talking points for those who support it, and it's supported by many people in Congress on both sides of the aisle, you think like,

00:39:41.000 oh my gosh, we've got a national security risk and you've got concern for our kids and all of this other stuff.

00:39:46.000 But when you actually read the language and understand the implications of what this legislation does, it's not really about TikTok at all.

00:39:55.000 It's about government being able to choose what platforms are acceptable and what are not, and what we as Americans are able to either get information from or put information out.

00:40:09.000 And then you look at, okay, well, if they're giving themselves that authority, how will it then be enforced?

00:40:15.000 Then you get into the civil liberties concern of the Fourth Amendment of government overreach and trying to figure out, okay, well, now I'm going to have to look into your phone and figure out if you're the guy who's using the VPN to illegally download this app.

00:40:30.000 Then you're looking at You know, the designation is that if you have 20% or more ownership stake or stake in a business that has been designated by our government to be illegal because of its association with a foreign adversary,

00:40:52.000 there are a few countries listed there, but the president would have the power to designate any other country a foreign adversary without any kind of, you know...

00:41:02.000 Congress wouldn't have to take action.

00:41:04.000 It's a unilateral move.

00:41:07.000 You are also implicated if you are someone who the government determines to be influenced by or connected with one of these countries that is a foreign adversary.

00:41:17.000 And so, you know, Elon Musk has talked about this.

00:41:20.000 It is not outside of the realm of the—not only possible, but the probable—that if they wanted to say, okay, well, you know, Elon Musk is doing business with this country that we don't like, and oh, he also owns this platform called X— I think Ron Paul said it best when he said that this legislation is the most,

00:41:49.000 and I'm paraphrasing, but he said it's the most egregious violation of civil liberty since the Patriot Act was passed in the wake of 9-11.

00:41:57.000 And when you look at the arguments that are being made around both of those pushes, they are very eerily similar in invoking national security concerns.

00:42:07.000 And the language and the way that's written is intentionally vague that puts far more power into the hands of the executive branch, just like the Patriot Act did, to single-handedly say, well, this is a good guy and this is a bad guy.

00:42:23.000 And that has a direct implication on Americans.

00:42:28.000 And wasn't there another recent thing that passed that allows more observation of people through cell phones?

00:42:37.000 Yes.

00:42:38.000 Yes.

00:42:39.000 And both of these things were actually wrapped up into that same bill.

00:42:43.000 It was the same bill?

00:42:46.000 I think.

00:43:05.000 Section 702 of FISA gives our government the authority to surveil foreign actors, essentially, to try to identify terrorist threats.

00:43:17.000 But part of that is they have the ability to capture all of the conversations.

00:43:24.000 If you talk to somebody in another country that they're interested in, they can then go in and capture all of your information as an American citizen.

00:43:31.000 I think?

00:43:55.000 It took an already bad problem and made it many, many times worse.

00:44:00.000 And again, they're just saying, well, it's for national security.

00:44:03.000 The problem here is...

00:44:05.000 That's the thing they always say.

00:44:06.000 That's the thing they always say.

00:44:07.000 And it's like...

00:44:11.000 I think it was Benjamin Franklin who said, if you are choosing security over liberty, you will neither be secure, nor will you have liberty.

00:44:22.000 That's not an actual quote, but that's basically the point here.

00:44:25.000 And that's the false choice that so many of these politicians are forcing on the American people is...

00:44:31.000 You can either be less free and more safe, or you can be more free and, oh, by the way, you're going to invite more terrorist attacks or more national security incursions on our country.

00:44:42.000 And it's just BS. It is BS. It's also very un-American. 0.97

00:44:49.000 It is.

00:44:49.000 And here's the problem with government overreach.

00:44:52.000 The government...

00:44:54.000 Is just people.

00:44:55.000 Yeah.

00:44:56.000 That's the problem.

00:44:57.000 Like, you know, if you thought of them as something other than a three-letter name, like DEA, CIA, NSA, just a bunch of people, you would go, well, why is this like the DEA? Why is this 10,000 people?

00:45:13.000 Telling all these other people what to do.

00:45:14.000 That sounds crazy.

00:45:15.000 There's way more of them than there are of us.

00:45:17.000 If it was just in this room and Jamie turns out to be the cop and he says, hey, I'm going to put you two in prison because I heard you like hemp.

00:45:26.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:45:27.000 We'd be like, Jamie, fuck off! 1.00

00:45:29.000 That's crazy. 1.00

00:45:30.000 Yeah.

00:45:30.000 But if it's a government agency with a three-letter name, you're like, oh, this is the government.

00:45:35.000 The government is just human beings.

00:45:37.000 And there's just a natural inclination that people in power have is to try to gain more power.

00:45:44.000 Rich people want to get richer.

00:45:45.000 Hot people want to get hotter. 0.98

00:45:47.000 That's what it is.

00:45:48.000 It's like everybody wants to improve.

00:45:51.000 And the governments, they're in the business of telling you what to do, and they want to be better at that business.

00:45:56.000 Yeah.

00:45:56.000 And the best way is to be able to, like, constantly be able to surveil everything you say and do.

00:46:02.000 Right.

00:46:03.000 And again, it goes...

00:46:04.000 We shouldn't let them.

00:46:05.000 No.

00:46:05.000 And this is the problem.

00:46:07.000 This is the problem is that, you know, every elected official swears an oath to support and defend the Constitution.

00:46:14.000 Yet, as we saw with this most recent example, they are so ready to undermine our Fourth Amendment rights in the Constitution that I know some of them are doing it with good intention, but without actually considering that the challenge and responsibility of those in government and those who have this power is to strike that correct balance between ensuring that our liberties and our constitutional rights Are protected.

00:46:42.000 You swear an oath to do this when you take this job while also ensuring, okay, well, we can do both and we must do both.

00:46:51.000 We can be safe and secure and also be able to live free without worrying about every time you pick up your phone or you make a phone call wondering if the government is surveilling us.

00:47:01.000 And then you add on to that what's happening now where, you know, like January 6, for example.

00:47:07.000 I was working out in the gym, a Marine Corps gym in Hawaii down the street from our house, bumped into a guy who I met.

00:47:15.000 It's a long story, but I met him when the Rocks stunt double was getting his traditional Samoan tattoo.

00:47:22.000 And it's a whole ceremony.

00:47:24.000 It was a seven day thing.

00:47:25.000 And so this other guy is Samoan.

00:47:26.000 We met, became friends.

00:47:27.000 So I saw him in the gym and he's with this 14 year old son.

00:47:30.000 How's it going?

00:47:31.000 This and that.

00:47:31.000 He's like, oh, the FBI just came to my house out in Laie, a small rural community on the island of Oahu.

00:47:38.000 I was like, what's going on?

00:47:40.000 He's like, yeah, they came and knocked on my door because, he said, I took my son to go and witness democracy.

00:47:46.000 So they were part of those thousands of people who were out there on the lawn of the Capitol.

00:47:51.000 And they didn't arrest him.

00:47:53.000 They didn't charge him with anything.

00:47:54.000 But how is it that, you know, years later, years later, they go and find this guy and his family in a rural Mormon community in Laie in Hawaii.

00:48:07.000 They're capturing all of the data.

00:48:09.000 Of people whose cell phones were pinging within that vicinity during that period of time, not only on January 6th.

00:48:18.000 And they are continuing to widen that net, looking at flight records and who bought tickets and who booked hotels and all of this stuff.

00:48:25.000 For what?

00:48:27.000 The FBI is going to go and investigate people who showed up there on the lawn on the Capitol?

00:48:34.000 You look at what they're...

00:48:35.000 And this is my thing.

00:48:37.000 It is absolutely scare tactics.

00:48:39.000 So we look at the power of the government and how they're now turning on the American people for political reasons.

00:48:47.000 We can see where even the best of intentions with some of these pieces of legislation can lead to the very worst places.

00:48:56.000 What to speak of the fact that...

00:48:59.000 We have limited resource and limited people.

00:49:14.000 We have no idea.

00:49:15.000 People coming from the Middle East and Asia and Eastern Europe and Venezuela, gang members. 1.00

00:49:21.000 Like, all of this stuff is happening right before our very eyes.

00:49:23.000 And they're going and knocking on my friend's door in Laie because he brought his 14-year-old son to Washington, D.C. that week.

00:49:30.000 And here's the question.

00:49:32.000 Was the FBI there?

00:49:34.000 How many people were there?

00:49:35.000 And how come they don't have to answer that?

00:49:37.000 Exactly.

00:49:38.000 They don't say.

00:49:40.000 Why not be transparent?

00:49:41.000 Also, they should be there. 0.99

00:49:43.000 The government should be there in case some shit goes sideways. 0.99

00:49:47.000 Right? 0.99

00:49:48.000 So I'm sure they're there.

00:49:50.000 But are some of the agents not good? 1.00

00:49:53.000 Just like some dentists suck. 1.00

00:49:55.000 Are some of the agents not good? 0.99

00:49:57.000 And are some of the agents encouraging people to go in?

00:50:01.000 Because that could be true too.

00:50:03.000 Because if we look at what happened with the governor of Michigan, right?

00:50:08.000 Was it Michigan or Minnesota?

00:50:10.000 Michigan.

00:50:11.000 That story is bonkers.

00:50:13.000 It is.

00:50:14.000 When you find it, what was it like 11 of the people involved in the kidnapping scheme were FBI informants?

00:50:19.000 Right.

00:50:20.000 What?

00:50:20.000 Yeah.

00:50:21.000 And these two dopes who just like, just dumbasses, like ADIQ dumbasses that just get tricked into this fucking, they cosplay and they go, we're going to kidnap her. 1.00

00:50:30.000 Definitely. 1.00

00:50:31.000 We're going to fucking get liberty done. 0.99

00:50:33.000 They don't know what they're doing. 1.00

00:50:34.000 They're stupid. 1.00

00:50:35.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:50:35.000 And those poor fucks have to go to jail. 1.00

00:50:38.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:50:38.000 Exactly. 1.00

00:50:39.000 And the whole thing was scheduled and set up by FBI informants.

00:50:42.000 That seems crazy.

00:50:45.000 Aren't there real problems?

00:50:47.000 Instead of creating problems and then arresting people for those problems, aren't there real problems going on?

00:50:52.000 And if there's not...

00:50:54.000 Like, you guys good at your job?

00:50:55.000 Right.

00:50:56.000 We're trusting you.

00:50:57.000 And there are.

00:50:58.000 For sure.

00:50:59.000 I know some great FBI agents, and there are people who are doing good work.

00:51:04.000 Absolutely.

00:51:04.000 I've met great FBI agents.

00:51:06.000 Phenomenal.

00:51:06.000 Nice people, good people, patriots.

00:51:09.000 Absolutely.

00:51:09.000 But they're like dentists.

00:51:11.000 Some of them are great. 1.00

00:51:12.000 Some of them suck. 0.99

00:51:13.000 I mean, it's just, you know, you can say this in the militaries and law enforcement. 0.99

00:51:17.000 Everything.

00:51:17.000 You are going to find those few for sure.

00:51:20.000 They are there.

00:51:23.000 So I've talked to different people than the FBI and what they've shared is that there's kind of like a bifurcation in the agency where there are people who are really, really angry and frustrated about the politicization of the FBI that's occurring by the heads.

00:51:40.000 And then there are others who are just like, full send, we're on board, let's go.

00:51:46.000 And it's creating a lot of friction and a lot of fear within the agency.

00:51:53.000 I don't know if the agency had people get confused.

00:51:55.000 That's the CIA. That's probably some similar things going on there.

00:51:58.000 But within the FBI, a lot of fear that you got to watch what you say around even your own colleagues and your own peers.

00:52:07.000 Yeah.

00:52:09.000 Yeah.

00:52:13.000 Yeah.

00:52:16.000 Yeah.

00:52:20.000 Yeah.

00:52:29.000 It's just how it is with people.

00:52:32.000 Red Sox fans hate Yankee fans.

00:52:35.000 Just like they're in the same country.

00:52:37.000 You're going to have conflict even inside the FBI. You're going to have conflict in every group.

00:52:42.000 You're going to have power struggles.

00:52:44.000 You're either with Bob or you're not.

00:52:45.000 If you want to make it in this business, you want to get to the top of this agency, you got to stay with Bob. 0.99

00:52:50.000 And Bob's fucking calling the shots. 0.98

00:52:51.000 I'm on team Bob. 1.00

00:52:53.000 You know, like, fuck Mike. 1.00

00:52:54.000 And that's what happens with people. 1.00

00:52:56.000 It happens in everything.

00:52:57.000 And you have people that go in with good intentions and they get corrupted by systems that are corrupt.

00:53:03.000 That's where, for the, you know, across, whether it's the FBI, the Department of Justice, all of these, it matters, you know, who's in charge.

00:53:11.000 These are all civilian-led organizations.

00:53:14.000 They are political appointees.

00:53:17.000 And, you know, in theory, they are the people who should be held accountable, but they are setting that tone.

00:53:24.000 Did you hear what AOC said?

00:53:26.000 She said the people that are coming in to this country, most of them, it's because of climate change?

00:53:32.000 I didn't hear that one.

00:53:33.000 It's amazing.

00:53:36.000 It is straight out of South Park.

00:53:38.000 Oh my gosh.

00:53:38.000 It's straight out of South Park.

00:53:39.000 Wow.

00:53:40.000 Like, what?

00:53:41.000 Yeah, I know.

00:53:43.000 Oh, that's the only reason?

00:53:44.000 I'm like waiting like, oh, like, is there more?

00:53:46.000 Has the climate changed more than I know?

00:53:48.000 Do you know something I don't know?

00:53:50.000 Like, what are you saying?

00:53:52.000 What's going on down there?

00:53:53.000 The best are those clips.

00:53:54.000 I just saw one on Instagram the other day from like 1985 where a newscaster is, I think it might have even been black and white, and she's saying, the climate change scientists tell us that we may only have 10 years before the earth is destroyed.

00:54:12.000 1992 is gonna be the year.

00:54:14.000 And then whoever made this clip, they juxtaposed her clip with one from Bernie Sanders saying the exact same thing with a different date, you know, how many decades later.

00:54:26.000 And the problem is, when you fear monger, you distract people from the real issue.

00:54:32.000 Yes.

00:54:33.000 Like, what is really going on? 0.94

00:54:34.000 Like, how bad are we fucking up the planet?

00:54:36.000 You know, here's one that doesn't get discussed enough. 0.98

00:54:39.000 We've killed everything in the ocean.

00:54:42.000 The ocean is depleted.

00:54:44.000 What was the number, Jamie?

00:54:45.000 Like 90% of the big fish are gone?

00:54:49.000 Yeah.

00:54:50.000 Some crazy number like that. 0.95

00:54:54.000 Just imagine how psychotic it is to have a species that goes into another dimension that it's not a resident of and uses nets and just takes everything it can get and catches a bunch of dolphins and shit in there that it doesn't want anyway and they all die. 0.97

00:55:13.000 Exactly.

00:55:14.000 A new global study concludes that 90% of all large fishes have disappeared from the world's oceans in the past half century, in 50 years.

00:55:24.000 So that's a cataclysm.

00:55:27.000 That's a disaster of epic proportion when it comes to ecology and when it comes to just the environment of the world itself.

00:55:37.000 We're killing most, because we like sushi, we're killing most of what's in the ocean.

00:55:43.000 It's bananas.

00:55:45.000 And so that is getting ignored because everyone is talking about fossil fuels.

00:55:51.000 I wonder how much of this is pushed by foreign countries through social media.

00:55:58.000 Because there is a thing that you can do and nudge conversations in a certain way with bots and with fake statistics and with fear-mongering.

00:56:08.000 Yeah.

00:56:09.000 Meanwhile, China is opening hundreds of new coal power plants.

00:56:13.000 They're doubling down on coal.

00:56:16.000 And I think through TikTok and through probably Facebook and YouTube and all these different things, and Instagram, I'm sure, there's countless bots that are putting out videos and pushing narratives and find their way into your algorithm, and they affect the way people think about things.

00:56:33.000 And guess what?

00:56:34.000 If you go to Chinese TikTok, it's all Academic accomplishments, martial arts demonstrations, science achievements, and you can't go on after 10 p.m.

00:56:45.000 Right.

00:56:47.000 In New York America, it's dudes with fake eyelashes reading stories to toddlers.

00:56:52.000 Exactly.

00:56:52.000 And it's everybody telling you the ocean's going to boil.

00:56:54.000 Yeah.

00:56:55.000 It's weird.

00:56:56.000 It's Osama bin Laden's letter to America.

00:56:58.000 Yeah.

00:56:59.000 The letter to America thing was wild, too.

00:57:01.000 Everybody was like, wow, you know, Osama bin Laden had a point. 1.00

00:57:04.000 Oh, my gosh.

00:57:05.000 I had a...

00:57:08.000 I had dinner the other night with a family.

00:57:12.000 It was during the holiday of Passover, and this question came up about what would happen if another 9-11-style terrorist attack or some major...

00:57:33.000 Yeah.

00:57:52.000 And not have that same kind of sense of unity of like, hey, no matter our differences, we got to stand together as Americans.

00:58:00.000 And that should be a serious concern. 0.99

00:58:06.000 It should be a serious concern also when you really take into consideration how many genuinely dumb people there are. 0.88

00:58:13.000 And when you have a situation like October 7th in Israel, I saw within days, before Israel did what they did in Palestine, within days, I saw people justifying the attacks on October 7th because of the treatment that Israel has given to the Palestinians. 0.96

00:58:31.000 I'm like, hey, that's crazy.

00:58:32.000 That's crazy. 1.00

00:58:33.000 That's crazy to say that you think people should be indiscriminately shot and killed and just in mass at a fucking rave, like paratrooping. 1.00

00:58:42.000 You think that's okay because of what Israel's done? 1.00

00:58:44.000 But guess what?

00:58:45.000 Those people didn't do that. 0.95

00:58:46.000 Those people at the rave and those people that are on the border, those are apparently according to Ari.

00:58:50.000 Those are the hippies.

00:58:51.000 Right.

00:58:52.000 They're the ones who don't believe that we should be there.

00:58:55.000 Don't believe in borders.

00:58:56.000 Yeah, they don't believe in borders.

00:58:57.000 Exactly.

00:58:57.000 They want to be close to the Palestinians.

00:58:59.000 Right.

00:59:00.000 Exactly.

00:59:00.000 And that's where, you know, some of the things that they're chanting at, that these protesters are chanting at Columbia University and some of the other ones.

00:59:08.000 We hope that October 7th happens 10,000 times over, they say.

00:59:12.000 Yeah.

00:59:12.000 You know, celebrating Hamas, this Islamist terrorist organization.

00:59:16.000 It is. 1.00

00:59:21.000 I don't think we can just dismiss them as just being stupid. 1.00

00:59:24.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:59:25.000 These kids are going to Ivy League schools.

00:59:28.000 They are being absolutely manipulated.

00:59:31.000 And there is a very intentional ideological war that is being waged, in this example, by these radicalismist groups like Hamas.

00:59:41.000 And they had planned this.

00:59:43.000 They've been doing this for hundreds of years.

00:59:44.000 And they're using technology and they're using other means to be able to achieve that end.

00:59:49.000 No doubt, as is Russia, as is China.

00:59:52.000 They've infiltrated universities, you know, the famous Yuri Besbinov speech from 1984, which is crazy when you hear it today, because he called it.

01:00:01.000 He knew it was going to happen, and it's happening, and it's happening from college campuses outward.

01:00:06.000 So the most...

01:00:08.000 Radical of these ideologies are being promoted on colleges because the kids are the youngest.

01:00:13.000 They don't have jobs and real-world experience.

01:00:16.000 They're young.

01:00:18.000 They have ideologies.

01:00:20.000 They're a little bit unrealistic, and they're all captured by this status game that's going on on campus where you're trying to be the most radical, like, oh, he's so radically pro-Palestine.

01:00:31.000 He's so hot.

01:00:32.000 You know, and then that really becomes a thing.

01:00:34.000 You become virtuous, and you become attractive.

01:00:37.000 You become interesting without actually being interesting, just because you have this rabid adherence to an ideology that's right now in vogue.

01:00:46.000 And that's really what it is.

01:00:48.000 And I think a lot of that is funded by foreign governments.

01:00:51.000 And there's a lot of evidence points to it, and we should consider it as a possibility.

01:00:55.000 And don't dismiss it as a conspiracy theory.

01:00:58.000 Consider it as a possibility.

01:01:00.000 This is the question about things like tick-tock like and and Twitter and all of them all of them because I guarantee you it's not just foreign countries kids I Guarantee you there are people in this country that are using it.

01:01:14.000 I know businesses do it.

01:01:16.000 Yes, I know I guarantee you people do it to try to influence the way people think about things and When you see posts, I've seen posts multiple times saying outrageous things.

01:01:29.000 And I'll just, okay, let me click on this guy.

01:01:31.000 And it's usually some letters and numbers and name maybe and a bunch of numbers.

01:01:36.000 And then I click and I realize, oh, fake person.

01:01:38.000 Just go through all this stuff.

01:01:40.000 Zero posts.

01:01:40.000 Yeah, it's all just retweeting inflammatory stuff and...

01:01:45.000 It's nutty fucking crazy politic takes and like really aggressive takes on things and like, wow, how many of them are there?

01:01:54.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:01:55.000 There's no question that this is happening and the social media algorithms are feeding it and playing right into it in our attention and our minds are the commodity.

01:02:08.000 100%.

01:02:08.000 And if they can just trick you into buying some stuff along the way, that would be great.

01:02:11.000 Exactly.

01:02:13.000 Who would have ever thought that your data would be so valuable?

01:02:17.000 That's the thing about when you and I were younger, it meant nothing.

01:02:21.000 Your data meant nothing.

01:02:22.000 What are you talking about?

01:02:24.000 My data.

01:02:24.000 Exactly.

01:02:25.000 What is that?

01:02:28.000 Why would anybody be interested in that?

01:02:30.000 I remember my first inclination that data meant something was I bought Dianetics.

01:02:34.000 I bought that book in like 1994 when I first moved to Hollywood.

01:02:38.000 And Scientology never stopped sending me things.

01:02:42.000 They never stopped.

01:02:43.000 Like, we got one.

01:02:43.000 Yeah.

01:02:44.000 I was like, oh, that's how they get you.

01:02:46.000 Yeah.

01:02:46.000 And then they get you to join.

01:02:47.000 I guess you have to give them a piece, give them a taste of what you're doing.

01:02:52.000 You turn the group.

01:02:53.000 Yeah.

01:02:54.000 Yeah.

01:02:55.000 And so data now is responsible for the largest corporations in terms of like the amount of money.

01:03:01.000 Yeah.

01:03:01.000 Like think about Apple, how big Apple is and how much data Apple has.

01:03:05.000 And Apple's better with data than Android systems are and Google's terrible with it.

01:03:09.000 Yeah.

01:03:10.000 It's just like they're just siphoning up your data.

01:03:13.000 Yeah.

01:03:13.000 And that's the fallacy and that's kind of the falsehood of the argument for people who are pushing that TikTok ban bill is if they're claiming they're concerned about data security and privacy and making sure that our data is protected.

01:03:29.000 You got to do it across the board.

01:03:31.000 Because every single one of these social media or big tech companies is collecting as much as they possibly can.

01:03:37.000 And if you think they're not selling it to the highest bidder, whether they be an American company or a foreign company, of course they are.

01:03:45.000 This is their business model.

01:03:48.000 Wasn't there some controversy about one of the DNA companies, whether it's Ancestry or one of the other ones?

01:03:54.000 There was.

01:03:55.000 Where they sold their data to China?

01:03:57.000 I think so.

01:03:58.000 I don't remember which one.

01:04:00.000 You sold everybody's genes?

01:04:01.000 I didn't know you could do that.

01:04:04.000 I wouldn't have signed up for that.

01:04:07.000 You could sell my genes to China?

01:04:09.000 If China was offering free DNA tests...

01:04:12.000 No, it wasn't China.

01:04:12.000 Was it?

01:04:13.000 No, they didn't sell it to China.

01:04:14.000 Who would they sell it to?

01:04:17.000 KlaxoSmithKline.

01:04:18.000 Big Pharma.

01:04:20.000 That's even scarier.

01:04:21.000 Who do they sell it to?

01:04:22.000 They can sell it to anybody else too, right?

01:04:24.000 It says 23andMe sells anonymous DNA to the drug company for $20 million.

01:04:28.000 That's not even that much.

01:04:29.000 It's not that much.

01:04:30.000 Oh, it's just anonymous, guys.

01:04:31.000 It's anonymous.

01:04:32.000 Yeah, of course.

01:04:33.000 Guys.

01:04:33.000 Of course.

01:04:33.000 Wasn't there one with China, though, with Ancestry?

01:04:37.000 Yeah, this is 23andMe.

01:04:39.000 No, this is Ancestry also.

01:04:41.000 This is interesting as well?

01:04:42.000 Interesting.

01:04:44.000 20 million dollars.

01:04:46.000 I remember something about China.

01:04:48.000 I just typed in data sold and that's what comes up.

01:04:50.000 I might be on the wrong forums though.

01:04:52.000 I might be on some conspiratorial forums.

01:04:57.000 I might have gone too deep on the JFK rabbit hole the other night.

01:05:00.000 This is what you said.

01:05:02.000 Oh, okay.

01:05:02.000 China.

01:05:03.000 There it goes.

01:05:04.000 A groundbreaking move that has sent shockwaves through the biotech industry.

01:05:07.000 23andMe, the leading personal geonomics and biotechnology companies, officially announced the sale of its entire DNA database to the Chinese government for an astonishing $10 billion.

01:05:19.000 Wow.

01:05:20.000 Yeah.

01:05:20.000 So that's the one I was looking for.

01:05:22.000 But I'll just add that that's only coming from a Medium article and not any other articles that are saying that. 0.90

01:05:29.000 Jamie, why you gotta fuck it up with facts?

01:05:31.000 I'm just trying to understand what's happening.

01:05:35.000 Jamie is on it. 0.93

01:05:37.000 Why you gotta fuck it up with facts? 0.58

01:05:40.000 Yeah, who knows?

01:05:41.000 But your data is extremely valuable.

01:05:44.000 That's weird.

01:05:45.000 And it's also valuable to humans.

01:05:47.000 It's humans selling other humans' data.

01:05:49.000 Whether you call them Facebook or Google or the DEA, it's just a bunch of people.

01:05:54.000 And if they don't have to follow the same rules that you follow, then we have real problems.

01:05:59.000 And when you have entire groups of people that are dependent upon technology that's controlled almost entirely by one ideology, And then you let the government get involved, like they did with Twitter, and you see with the Twitter files,

01:06:14.000 you're like, oh Jesus, this is bad.

01:06:17.000 You let the government have a back door, and they started sneaking around and telling you what to do and what not to do, and you were complying?

01:06:25.000 People were telling other people that they couldn't have experts from Harvard and Stanford talk about medical problems.

01:06:37.000 Stop this.

01:06:38.000 Stop those experts from talking.

01:06:40.000 Remove those posts. 0.60

01:06:41.000 Ban those people. 0.99

01:06:43.000 The government is saying that! 0.72

01:06:45.000 Exactly.

01:06:46.000 And even if they're not saying, hey, do this or else.

01:06:50.000 Even if they're not making an explicit threat.

01:06:52.000 Just the fact that you're getting requests from the government.

01:06:55.000 Exactly.

01:06:55.000 What are you going to do?

01:06:57.000 The FBI is calling and saying, hey, we'd really like you to do X, Y, or Z. In my mind, I'd be like, okay, what am I going to be investigated for outside of this if I say no?

01:07:08.000 What are the consequences going to be?

01:07:10.000 If you're a person working at Twitter, this is not you.

01:07:15.000 They're not investigating you.

01:07:17.000 They're investigating someone else.

01:07:19.000 So if they're going in, they're talking about these posts like, hey, this expert is spreading misinformation.

01:07:25.000 They're causing vaccine hesitancy or whatever they're causing.

01:07:28.000 We need to stop this.

01:07:30.000 Put a stop to this.

01:07:32.000 Like, why is the government being involved in a dispute between doctors and the pharmaceutical drug companies?

01:07:40.000 Like, what are you doing?

01:07:41.000 And how do you know?

01:07:43.000 Did you guys adjudiate this?

01:07:44.000 Did you guys get in front of a court?

01:07:46.000 Did you guys get in front of experts?

01:07:48.000 Did people testify?

01:07:49.000 Did you have someone who's pro and con this?

01:07:52.000 Someone who lays out this argument?

01:07:54.000 Did you examine this?

01:07:56.000 No, no, no, you didn't.

01:07:57.000 No, you just contacted Twitter?

01:07:59.000 Yeah.

01:07:59.000 And Twitter said okay.

01:08:00.000 Because what are they going to do? 1.00

01:08:01.000 They're fucking executives. 0.99

01:08:03.000 If you're working at Twitter, and this old Twitter, and you're like super woke, and you've just been drinking lattes and going into the meditation room, then all of a sudden you get an email from the FBI like, I don't want to fuck up this job. 1.00

01:08:14.000 I got a cushy job!

01:08:16.000 And you're like, okay, what do I have to do?

01:08:18.000 Okay, I'll do that.

01:08:19.000 And so you do that.

01:08:20.000 And that's not good.

01:08:22.000 It's not good to have that kind of power being wielded by other people.

01:08:27.000 They're just people.

01:08:28.000 You could call them the FBI and call the DNA. They're human beings and human beings that have that kind of power over other human beings in a country that's supposed to value freedom.

01:08:39.000 That in and of itself is un-American.

01:08:44.000 And that's where this isn't just like some rogue FBI agent doing this or some rogue...

01:08:49.000 You know, bureaucrat in an agency who's going and doing this.

01:08:52.000 This is an expressed policy coming from the Biden administration in this example to go and use big tech to silence certain people's voices and to decide who does the government want to be heard and who needs to be silenced.

01:09:11.000 Obviously, we could talk all day about the cozy relationship that many politicians have with big pharma, and it's not a surprise that they're going to act in favor of big pharma rather than in favor of the truth or free speech or people's health and well-being.

01:09:27.000 But the fact that this was...

01:09:30.000 And is the Biden administration's policy to decide that they are the arbiter of what is misinformation, disinformation, what is information, what is true and what is not, and that they will use the tools available to them both within the government as well as outside of the government in the case of big tech and social media to be able to enforce that.

01:09:51.000 And that's really the, you know, for people who aren't paying attention to this stuff at home and are just trying to live their lives and, you know, go to work and take care of their kids and just live their life, it's easy to fall victim to, like, well,

01:10:07.000 the government wants what's best for us and they don't want us to be manipulated by misinformation or disinformation.

01:10:12.000 And so this is the line that they use.

01:10:15.000 Like, we're doing this for you.

01:10:16.000 We're trying to protect you.

01:10:18.000 So once again, we're going to take away some of your freedom and some of your privacy and tell you who you should be listening to and what information you should be getting.

01:10:29.000 The king knows.

01:10:30.000 Yes.

01:10:31.000 The king will tell the people how to live.

01:10:36.000 Yes.

01:10:36.000 This is how you wash.

01:10:38.000 This is coming from the same people who are telling us that boys can become girls on any day of the week because they feel like it.

01:10:44.000 Yeah, and Rachel Levine is the first female admiral.

01:10:46.000 Exactly.

01:10:47.000 Yay! 0.99

01:10:48.000 Women win. 0.99

01:10:51.000 And then they stand there and say, well, we are the champions for women, if they cannot even accept objective truth.

01:10:59.000 We're living in the strangest of strange times.

01:11:01.000 I also think that a lot of that stuff is being accentuated by social media, manipulated intentionally, because I think if you can just get those narratives out there enough, That affects the gullible people, that affects sensitive people, that affects people on the spectrum,

01:11:16.000 it affects a lot of people, and then they start getting rewarded for leaning into one type of ideology, and then it's affecting people.

01:11:26.000 We are affected by our environment, and to pretend otherwise is just silly, especially when you're talking about young people.

01:11:33.000 Young people are particularly susceptible to propaganda, which is why they have young people wear suicide vests. 0.99

01:11:41.000 That's why. 1.00

01:11:42.000 You can't get a 50-year-old agnostic dude to wear a fucking suicide vest. 1.00

01:11:46.000 You know, he's gonna go, what am I gonna get when I blow up? 1.00

01:11:49.000 I'm gonna go to heaven?

01:11:51.000 Can you show me?

01:11:52.000 You got a video?

01:11:53.000 Is there a YouTube video I can watch?

01:11:54.000 What are you saying?

01:11:56.000 Yeah. 0.96

01:11:56.000 But you could talk a five-year-old into it and that's what they do and that's sick. 0.96

01:12:00.000 It is. 1.00

01:12:00.000 And it's just as sick to try to like indoctrinate them into these crazy ideologies because It's just people want other people to join their fucking team. 1.00

01:12:11.000 It's a common thing that people do. 0.98

01:12:13.000 That's what's so concerning about...

01:12:16.000 We're seeing the fruits of the shift in our education system away from actually teaching about the Constitution and the founding documents and the Federalist Papers and the thought process behind that went into forming the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

01:12:36.000 In our schools, basic government, basic 101 on what is this country really about?

01:12:41.000 What is the foundation that we were built upon?

01:12:44.000 And what does it mean to you in your everyday life?

01:12:48.000 And talking about the Bill of Rights and the First Amendment and going down the list.

01:12:51.000 Because that has been absent largely from our education system for so long, it creates, again, this vulnerability of young people being susceptible.

01:13:03.000 They're not rooted in an ideology of freedom and what that means in our lives and why it's important, why we will fight to defend and protect it.

01:13:13.000 And so then they're like, well, I don't know.

01:13:15.000 Maybe what Hamas is offering is a superior ideology or superior value system than what we have here in America, which a lot of these kids are saying.

01:13:27.000 Whether they realize fully what it is or not, they are falling victim to that ideology, that radicalismist ideology, which would be completely oppressive in the lives that they are trying to live here.

01:13:43.000 Yeah, the whole proposal behind it is best highlighted by the meme, Queers for Palestine. 0.95

01:13:49.000 Yes, exactly.

01:13:50.000 And then Palestine for Queers. 0.99

01:13:52.000 Exactly.

01:13:52.000 The difference between, like, that idea is so crazy.

01:13:56.000 Like, what you're saying is so nuts.

01:13:58.000 Yes. 1.00

01:13:58.000 And it's just this, fuck the system, fuck the government, fuck the patriarchy. 1.00

01:14:05.000 It's this ideology that gets promoted that's It's like frivolously wanting to destroy the foundation of this country. 1.00

01:14:13.000 And they'll say it openly.

01:14:15.000 We want to just stop colonialism.

01:14:17.000 Okay, and then what?

01:14:18.000 Then what happens?

01:14:18.000 What do you have?

01:14:19.000 What do you have?

01:14:20.000 You have warlords?

01:14:20.000 What do you have?

01:14:21.000 What's going to run the country?

01:14:22.000 How are you going to run it?

01:14:24.000 We can do it all the guns.

01:14:25.000 Well, that's that's where, you know, the this again, Hamas had this whole thing planned, like, you know, gaining the compassion, the sympathy of the world. 0.73

01:14:34.000 How did they plan that?

01:14:36.000 How did they think that they were going to do that?

01:14:39.000 That they knew how Israel would react and they were ready with social media and all of the means of communication to play on the sympathies of people, the compassion and kind-hearted people around the world.

01:14:55.000 And turn people's attention away from the 1,200 people that were murdered and killed and the people that were raped on that attack on October 7th.

01:15:08.000 Their goal being ultimately to influence populations around the world towards this Islamist ideology that they want to govern the world under Islamic rule, under Sharia law. 0.68

01:15:22.000 And we've seen already how it's been successful in some parts of the world, even in Europe and France.

01:15:27.000 Somebody was saying that I think it's 25% of France is already living under Sharia law.

01:15:38.000 And so this ideological war that's being waged is not—it's being waged by one side, and there's not a counter-narrative.

01:15:48.000 There's not a counter-war being waged on the other side to defeat it with a superior ideology of freedom and what we value as a society.

01:15:55.000 And that puts— This mission and this effort, and it's not just Hamas, obviously, Al-Qaeda and ISIS and other terrorist organizations around the world, they all have that same objective, which poses the greatest short and long-term threat to people who value freedom and to civilization.

01:16:17.000 And we're also so uniquely vulnerable in that we do have this sort of democracy.

01:16:27.000 It's obviously heavily influenced by money.

01:16:32.000 And then with the open borders, so you have all these people funneling into the country, and so you have an erosion of confidence.

01:16:39.000 Yes.

01:17:01.000 If I was going to try to destroy the country, that's how I would do it. 1.00

01:17:04.000 If I was going to try to destroy the country, I would radicalize the kids, I would give them the stupidest ideas and run them in their head. 1.00

01:17:13.000 Boys can be girls, girls can be boys, boys can compete against girls in sports if they think they're a girl. 1.00

01:17:20.000 Queers for Palestine, you know, the death to the Jews, yell it out unironically. 0.99

01:17:27.000 On campuses. 0.94

01:17:28.000 And to have the presidents of those colleges and universities defend it Which was wild.

01:17:34.000 Completely.

01:17:34.000 With cameras on them!

01:17:35.000 Yeah.

01:17:36.000 It shows how scared they are.

01:17:38.000 It shows how afraid they are of actually calling out what is right and what is wrong.

01:17:44.000 I think it also shows how they live in a bubble.

01:17:46.000 And I don't think they interact with the real world.

01:17:49.000 And I think when they did, the shock was probably...

01:17:53.000 It was probably horrifying to just realize how most people feel about what they said.

01:17:59.000 Yeah.

01:17:59.000 Like, oh, it's not harassment unless it's actionable.

01:18:05.000 Like, what the fuck are you saying? 0.98

01:18:08.000 Exactly. 1.00

01:18:08.000 You're saying death to the Jews, so you have to kill Jews, and then it's harassment. 1.00

01:18:11.000 Exactly. 1.00

01:18:12.000 Isn't that a little late?

01:18:13.000 I was shocked, like everyone else, at not only their statements, but how every one of them sitting at that table on that day said almost the exact same thing.

01:18:23.000 And knowing how much preparation, because when people come, I don't care who you are, but when you come and testify before Congress, you go through preparation.

01:18:31.000 And if you're the president of an Ivy League university, you're gonna have a whole team of people sitting there telling you, okay, well, here are the questions you should probably be prepared to answer.

01:18:41.000 The question that Elise Stefanik asked was not outside of the realm of like, here's what the frequently asked questions would be.

01:18:49.000 And the fact that their answers were all the same and how they were smirking as they were giving that answer, I was very surprised by it.

01:19:00.000 Maybe I shouldn't have been as surprised given what they're doing.

01:19:05.000 I think we're sending our kids to cult camps.

01:19:08.000 That's what I think.

01:19:09.000 I think they get indoctrinated into this.

01:19:12.000 They don't all.

01:19:13.000 Some of them skate through.

01:19:14.000 Some of them are wise.

01:19:15.000 Some of them realize this is crazy. 0.98

01:19:16.000 Can't wait to get the fuck out of here and get my degree. 0.96

01:19:18.000 And then go to work. 0.84

01:19:19.000 But some of them just get locked in and then it becomes their identity.

01:19:23.000 And it's dangerous.

01:19:25.000 It's dangerous also because, look, Kids don't want to listen, okay?

01:19:31.000 And if you have kids, they don't want to listen to you.

01:19:33.000 They want to rebel. 1.00

01:19:34.000 And when they finally get to go away somewhere and be on their own, and your dad's a banker, you're like, fuck that asshole. 1.00

01:19:40.000 Capitalism is bullshit. 1.00

01:19:42.000 You're wearing a Che Guevara t-shirt. 1.00

01:19:44.000 You don't know what the fuck you're doing. 1.00

01:19:46.000 You're using chat GBT to answer your homework. 1.00

01:19:49.000 The whole thing is nuts.

01:19:51.000 And then you're allowing those young people to just trying out being an adult with a voice and an opinion and trying to be profound.

01:19:59.000 Yeah.

01:19:59.000 And there's no consequences to actions.

01:20:02.000 No, it's weird.

01:20:03.000 It's weird.

01:20:04.000 It's weird.

01:20:05.000 It's weird that people can't see it, and I'm glad that some people are pulling funding. 1.00

01:20:10.000 Like, there's a lot of people that are donors, like, hey, fuck you. 0.99

01:20:12.000 Like, this is crazy. 1.00

01:20:14.000 And so that's fortunate, that there's some sort of a blowback.

01:20:17.000 But, you know, even that woman from Harvard, even though she got—she was caught plagiarizing.

01:20:22.000 Exactly.

01:20:22.000 Many times.

01:20:23.000 Like, if you were a grad student, you got caught plagiarizing.

01:20:26.000 That would be a wrap for you.

01:20:28.000 But meanwhile, she keeps making the same amount of money.

01:20:30.000 They just gave her a different job. 0.99

01:20:31.000 They didn't even fire her. 0.99

01:20:33.000 No.

01:20:33.000 The whole thing's crazy.

01:20:34.000 It is.

01:20:35.000 The whole thing's crazy.

01:20:36.000 It's like, that's supposed to be Harvard.

01:20:38.000 Yeah.

01:20:39.000 It's supposed to be the smartest people amongst us.

01:20:41.000 And when you heard that lady talk, you're like, hey, how did she get to the top? 0.98

01:20:46.000 That seems bananas.

01:20:48.000 It seems like you probably had some better choices.

01:20:51.000 Like, was there any other considerations into how she got that gig?

01:20:55.000 Exactly.

01:20:57.000 The plagiarism doesn't freak you guys out?

01:20:59.000 Right.

01:20:59.000 Isn't that, like, opposed to everything that you stand for?

01:21:03.000 Yes.

01:21:04.000 Okay.

01:21:05.000 So what are you doing?

01:21:06.000 You're not the best and the brightest anymore. 0.94

01:21:08.000 You guys are doing nonsense. 0.99

01:21:10.000 This is a cult camp. 0.98

01:21:11.000 You got a cult camp.

01:21:13.000 You're indoctrinating people.

01:21:14.000 And where are you getting your money?

01:21:15.000 And how much of that money is coming from China?

01:21:17.000 And how much of the influence is coming from Russia?

01:21:19.000 How much of the influence like in the past has shaped these people?

01:21:23.000 So you have this system where academics go to school, they learn, they get indoctrinated and they start teaching and they never enter into the real world.

01:21:31.000 And they make this cycle and those are the people that keep indoctrinating more people and now they're infesting these social media apps and they're infesting all of these tech companies.

01:21:43.000 And everybody else is like, what are you doing?

01:21:45.000 Exactly.

01:21:46.000 This is crazy.

01:21:47.000 Yeah.

01:21:47.000 But it's all coming from universities.

01:21:50.000 It's coming from the kids that get indoctrinated in these ideologies.

01:21:54.000 And I remember when I first started talking about this in like 2015 or 16, whenever the Jordan Peterson thing was happening, at first it was Brett Weinstein and Evergreen College.

01:22:03.000 And people were like, why do you care what's happening in these obscure colleges?

01:22:06.000 Hey, they're going to graduate.

01:22:08.000 Yes.

01:22:08.000 Like when I see fire and it's five miles away, I don't go, oh, it's five miles away.

01:22:13.000 I go, hey, we got to get the fuck out of here now. 0.92

01:22:15.000 Get out of here now. 0.90

01:22:16.000 Fire's coming.

01:22:17.000 Yeah.

01:22:17.000 Get out.

01:22:18.000 Like this is like you don't see that these kids are going to leave school. 0.99

01:22:22.000 They're so crazy. 0.89

01:22:23.000 They believe that you should have a day where you tell white people they have to stay home when it used to be that it was an appreciation of people of color so they could take the day off and they would get paid. 0.99

01:22:35.000 Mm-hmm.

01:22:36.000 And you go, oh, I really miss Mike.

01:22:38.000 You know, I really miss Tanya.

01:22:39.000 It'd be great if she was here.

01:22:40.000 And boy, it's hard not working with her, you know, and doing her job and my job at the same time.

01:22:45.000 Yeah.

01:22:46.000 Okay.

01:22:46.000 Yeah.

01:22:46.000 That makes sense.

01:22:47.000 But telling people, white people, they have to stay home and then threatening them with baseball bats if they don't have people roaming the parking lot with bats. 0.71

01:22:54.000 When I saw that, I was like, this is crazy.

01:22:56.000 And so many people were saying, why do you care?

01:22:58.000 Well, they're going to go out in the world.

01:23:02.000 And if this is happening there, it's not an isolated situation.

01:23:05.000 It's happening to other people.

01:23:06.000 And then the Jordan Peterson thing in Toronto and like, okay, guys.

01:23:11.000 And now everyone is sort of realizing like, oh, this is a real problem.

01:23:15.000 This is infesting the world.

01:23:17.000 This ideology is pervasive.

01:23:20.000 And it's not well thought out.

01:23:22.000 This is not just like fact-based, objective assessment, being kind and understanding and taking into account all the variables.

01:23:30.000 No, it's like a cult.

01:23:32.000 The problem is not everyone is seeing what's really happening.

01:23:36.000 You still have the AOCs of the world and many people within the leadership of the Democratic Party This is the direction we are headed. 0.82

01:23:47.000 And that's a very dangerous thing for so many reasons, but obviously because they're in a position of power and how they're using that power and how they're undermining the rule of law and choosing, again, who gets to speak freely and who gets to go and do whatever they want,

01:24:03.000 break the law, disturb the peace, acts of violence, no, because what you think that their cause is justified.

01:24:12.000 But meanwhile, others who would do the very same thing would be charged with a crime.

01:24:17.000 Imagine if AOC got to write history books and they said, why do people sneak into America in 2024?

01:24:22.000 Oh, climate change.

01:24:25.000 20 years from now.

01:24:26.000 Climate change was so bad that people were walking from Guatemala to get plane tickets to fly to Michigan.

01:24:31.000 Like, for real?

01:24:32.000 Are you sure?

01:24:33.000 Are you sure that happened?

01:24:34.000 Maybe there's other variables?

01:24:36.000 What do you think?

01:24:37.000 Maybe he's encouraged?

01:24:38.000 Perhaps.

01:24:38.000 Maybe there's a whole Red Cross map that they could follow?

01:24:41.000 Hey guys!

01:24:42.000 Maybe some of the stops along the way, they only speak Chinese, and they have Chinese signs, and it seems like there's a concerted effort to get people in from China.

01:24:51.000 Hey, something going on?

01:24:53.000 Yeah.

01:24:53.000 No, just climate change.

01:24:54.000 Oh, so simple.

01:24:56.000 So nice to be able to just write something off.

01:24:58.000 That's just as bad as the people who break into stores in New York City.

01:25:03.000 They're just hungry and trying to steal bread for their starving kids.

01:25:07.000 Yeah, that was a good one, too.

01:25:09.000 Yeah, that lady. 1.00

01:25:10.000 Forget the guys who go in and steal 50 Apple iPhones from the store and run out and jump in their car or all of these other things.

01:25:19.000 It's hard to believe that a person who's a member of Congress can say that with a straight face.

01:25:25.000 Well, the best one was, do you ever see the conversation that she had with the news reporter where the reporter was asking her to clarify her thoughts on Israel and Palestine?

01:25:34.000 Yes, I did.

01:25:35.000 That one's wonderful.

01:25:37.000 She had nothing to say.

01:25:39.000 It seemed like she didn't even know where they were.

01:25:43.000 If you gave her a map and this had no names on it, which one of these is Israel?

01:25:49.000 What do you know about the history?

01:25:52.000 What happened in 1947?

01:25:55.000 Anything?

01:25:55.000 What was going on before that?

01:25:57.000 Who lived there first?

01:25:59.000 What's Judea?

01:26:00.000 What's that place about?

01:26:03.000 What's the biblical significance of these locations?

01:26:06.000 Any?

01:26:07.000 How long has this dispute been going on?

01:26:10.000 What's happening?

01:26:11.000 How much are we funding this?

01:26:14.000 There are these girls who, again, I don't know where this video is, I'm sure it's everywhere now, but they left Columbia to go and stand with the students protesting at NYU. And somebody said, well, why are you here?

01:26:30.000 They're like, oh, we're here to stand in solidarity with the protesters.

01:26:34.000 What is NYU doing that you're protesting?

01:26:37.000 Oh, I don't really know.

01:26:38.000 And then she turned to her friend.

01:26:39.000 She's like, why are we here?

01:26:40.000 What are they doing that's wrong?

01:26:41.000 And the friend said, I wish I was more educated because I don't really know either.

01:26:47.000 Well, you know...

01:26:48.000 They're just out there being virtuous.

01:26:50.000 Somebody asked us to come, so we're just coming to stand in solidarity.

01:26:53.000 Well, there's this thing that you can do now where if you just yell out the thing that's popular, now you become cooler than you really are.

01:27:00.000 Yeah.

01:27:01.000 It's a new thing you can do.

01:27:02.000 And if you're like really rabid about it, you know, and then you can demand other people do it on their social media.

01:27:07.000 Like, how come you're not putting a black square up on Tuesday?

01:27:11.000 Yeah.

01:27:12.000 Yeah.

01:27:12.000 I mean, all of these things.

01:27:14.000 These were major drivers for me in leaving the insanity of what has become today's Democratic Party and where I have seen and heard directly from so many people who are or have already woken up to that fact of literally just being common-sense-minded Americans who are just...

01:27:39.000 There's no explanation.

01:27:40.000 There's no logic.

01:27:41.000 There's no rationale that you can give for these kinds of things happening, and not just by some rogue member of Congress.

01:27:47.000 I mean, it's happening from the very top.

01:27:50.000 Yeah, and it's...

01:27:55.000 It's the consequence of money being involved in politics and that seems like that web is so deep and those roots run so deep that to try to stop that now is almost impossible.

01:28:08.000 It's almost like the only way to solve this is to give corporations conscience.

01:28:14.000 It's like the only way to solve this is You've got to figure out, like, who is funding what and why?

01:28:23.000 Why is so much money being spent on this versus that?

01:28:28.000 And one of the things about AI is that If AI is asked at a certain point in time, when it becomes sentient or really super powerful, what is the solution between the conflict between Ukraine and Russia?

01:28:44.000 And what's the cause of it?

01:28:45.000 And AI gives a real comprehensive analysis of the US government-funded coup from 2014 and how NATO has been moving arms closer to Russia.

01:28:58.000 Lays it all out and like this is the definitive objective.

01:29:02.000 No ideology, no bullshit reason why this is happening.

01:29:06.000 And these are the companies that are pushing the conflict and this is the amount of money they're making from it. 0.84

01:29:11.000 And here's the amount of money that's missing because there's corruption involved in Ukraine.

01:29:16.000 As much as people don't want to admit, one of the wildest ones was Candace Owens on Twitter where the New York Times They tweet at her like, what evidence do you have of corruption in Ukraine? 0.98

01:29:27.000 And she's like, from your own fucking newspaper? 0.92

01:29:31.000 Posting links? 0.99

01:29:32.000 It's like, do you guys not even check before you tweet out publicly?

01:29:37.000 Do you not do journalism?

01:29:38.000 Well, they were also the ones that said, the New York Times said that that bomb landed in the hospital and killed 500 people.

01:29:44.000 And apparently it landed in the parking lot and killed a small number of people.

01:29:48.000 Yeah.

01:29:50.000 And it probably was not from Israel, but was actually one of the Islamic terrorists had launched a bomb and it accidentally landed in the parking lot. 0.71

01:29:59.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:30:00.000 And no effort to actually, truly, not in the fine print on the back page of the paper, but actually make sure that they got the facts right.

01:30:09.000 Well, and certainly no equivalent coverage of the actual true story versus the original story, which you should do.

01:30:18.000 It's like, yeah, maybe you got bad information.

01:30:21.000 Explain how you got bad information.

01:30:23.000 Same people who read the newspaper will read this, and now they know.

01:30:25.000 Let them know. 0.99

01:30:26.000 Don't just fucking hide it. 1.00

01:30:27.000 Don't pretend you didn't fuck up. 0.99

01:30:29.000 I mean, it's the same reason why with Julian Assange, you know, back when, you know, his criminal charges were first coming up, they were saying, hey, this is a threat to journalism, that you can't suppress the free press. 0.98

01:30:46.000 It is a violation of the First Amendment.

01:30:48.000 And if you go after Julian Assange today...

01:30:51.000 Mm-hmm.

01:31:08.000 Why?

01:31:09.000 They have become, unfortunately, a political arm of the Democrat elite.

01:31:14.000 And it's the same reason why they stopped reporting on actual corruption in Ukraine, because they get, okay, what's the narrative that we've got to push?

01:31:22.000 And they're not going to go against it.

01:31:25.000 Not allow facts and journalism to get in the way of that.

01:31:28.000 It's spooky.

01:31:29.000 It's spooky for people that count on them for the news.

01:31:31.000 It's like, okay, now who do I have to trust?

01:31:34.000 Who can I listen to?

01:31:36.000 And it turns out it's like a lot of independent people, and those are the only ones that are free.

01:31:40.000 They're free to actually report for now.

01:31:44.000 Did that TikTok thing pass?

01:31:49.000 It did pass.

01:31:51.000 It's done.

01:31:52.000 That's it?

01:31:52.000 Yeah.

01:31:53.000 Jesus.

01:31:54.000 Do you know Adam Curry?

01:31:56.000 It will be challenged.

01:31:57.000 I'm sure it'll be challenged in court.

01:31:58.000 I don't know by who or what the next steps will be, but I'm sure it will be challenged.

01:32:04.000 I believe that President Biden signed it into law.

01:32:09.000 Actually, I know he did.

01:32:11.000 But the timeline of execution, I think they gave something like 180 days for TikTok to be sold to an American company.

01:32:19.000 Oh, great.

01:32:20.000 Give it to Bill Gates.

01:32:21.000 But even if that's a pretty tight turnaround when you look at that, but that doesn't negate all of the other provisions within that law that further violate our civil liberties.

01:32:35.000 Do you know Adam Curry?

01:32:36.000 I don't.

01:32:37.000 Adam Curry used to be an MTV VJ. He's the original podcaster.

01:32:40.000 He's the podfather.

01:32:41.000 The real number one.

01:32:43.000 Brilliant guy. 0.99

01:32:44.000 But I had him on the podcast quite a while ago and he said that all this uproar over TikTok is total bullshit. 0.99

01:32:51.000 He said what it is is the Chinese are eating our lunch. 0.98

01:32:55.000 Like they've developed an app that is more addictive And collects data just like our apps do, and we don't like it.

01:33:03.000 We don't like it because their one is way better.

01:33:06.000 And so they're trying to do something to shut it down because they're using it to influence us and like, hey, we're the only ones allowed to do that.

01:33:13.000 And that's what he thinks.

01:33:14.000 And when he said that, I was like, I never really considered that because I always was like, oh, there's TikTok is like really bad.

01:33:21.000 You've got to like read the fine print, and it is bad.

01:33:24.000 I mean if you look at just the terms of service like when you're agreeing, you know, the conditions that you agree to, like they get to monitor your keystrokes.

01:33:32.000 So that means they can probably monitor your passwords.

01:33:36.000 They can probably check out all your emails.

01:33:38.000 They get to monitor other computers that are connected to the network even if they don't have TikTok on them.

01:33:43.000 Like it's bananas.

01:33:45.000 Yeah.

01:33:47.000 Who else is doing that?

01:33:48.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:33:49.000 That's the point.

01:33:50.000 When you and I are having a conversation and then all of a sudden we talk about Toyota trucks and there's an app for a Toyota truck, like, hey, did you guys know that we were talking about, are you listening, Google?

01:34:00.000 Exactly.

01:34:00.000 What are you doing?

01:34:01.000 Google, Meta, Facebook, Instagram, all of it. 0.98

01:34:04.000 How the fuck do you know what I'm interested in? 0.89

01:34:06.000 Right, exactly. 0.98

01:34:07.000 Because they're trying to sell you things.

01:34:09.000 They're all trying to sell you things.

01:34:10.000 Of course.

01:34:11.000 Of course. 0.99

01:34:11.000 Yeah, and the best way to sell people things is find out what the fuck they're talking about. 0.99

01:34:14.000 What do you want? 0.97

01:34:15.000 Yeah, I mean, it makes total sense, of course.

01:34:19.000 Elon and X, well, Elon specifically, was the only one who stood up amongst our American big tech companies to say, no, this is a very bad bill.

01:34:29.000 The others, to my knowledge, were very, very silent, or they were actually coming out in support of it.

01:34:36.000 Competition.

01:34:37.000 Makes sense.

01:34:38.000 The other piece of that is, other than X and TikTok, the Biden administration has been very successful at working with Google and Meta, Facebook, Instagram, in being able to control quote-unquote disinformation and information.

01:34:58.000 So when you look at from a government standpoint, well, if you're concerned about data security and privacy, why aren't you doing it across the board and treating every social media company that Americans use with that same standard?

01:35:11.000 Well, maybe they're just going after the ones that they can't actually control and intimidate into doing their work for them, which is why it makes sense why Elon Musk and others would say, well, of course, if today it's TikTok, then why wouldn't it be X tomorrow?

01:35:27.000 It's interesting to me that people don't seem to understand the value and importance of a guy like Elon, who's this wild billionaire character who likes to dunk on people.

01:35:38.000 Like, that guy being like, did you see that thing that he posted the other day?

01:35:41.000 Because there's a...

01:35:43.000 One of the guys who's from Facebook, I believe, said that what Elon is doing is corruption on an Enron level, I think you compared it to. 0.97

01:35:53.000 So Elon posted a photo of a dog laying its balls on another dog's head.

01:36:01.000 I did not see this.

01:36:03.000 And was dunking on this dude.

01:36:05.000 I'm like, how wild is this guy?

01:36:08.000 And then someone said, did you really spend $44 billion on Twitter so you can dunk on people?

01:36:14.000 And he writes 100%.

01:36:16.000 I don't know how he has time for this.

01:36:21.000 I don't get it.

01:36:23.000 I don't understand it.

01:36:24.000 It doesn't make any sense to me.

01:36:25.000 And do everything else that he's doing.

01:36:28.000 He's a fascinating guy.

01:36:29.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:36:29.000 I mean, his brain is a fucking tornado of information just flying around all the time, and I think it helps him to be able to just fuck around and be silly. 1.00

01:36:39.000 But he was the only one that recognized that there's a real problem if you have the entire narrative Being controlled by one ideology through all the social media apps, and that's what's going on. 0.99

01:36:50.000 Exactly.

01:36:50.000 They're all tech companies.

01:36:52.000 Tech companies have hired people that are coming from universities, and they're all infected by this ideology.

01:36:59.000 And it's nuts that that's the case.

01:37:01.000 Yeah.

01:37:02.000 And then they've done a really good job.

01:37:03.000 If you go to like Gab or any other, especially initially, It was so nuts.

01:37:07.000 You're like, oh my god, I gotta get out of here.

01:37:09.000 It was like going to a Nazi party. 0.57

01:37:12.000 Even if you're not a Nazi, there's Sieg Heil in the corner. 1.00

01:37:15.000 I'm like, shit, I gotta get out of here. 0.99

01:37:17.000 I don't know how it is now. 0.99

01:37:17.000 I never went in those rooms. 0.99

01:37:18.000 I don't know how it is now, but I guarantee some of that was fake, too.

01:37:22.000 I guarantee when they came up with these alternative platforms that people wanted to squash the idea of having people that were free outside of Twitter and Facebook that were reasonable people that just wanted objective conversation,

01:37:38.000 which I guarantee most of them were.

01:37:40.000 Most of them were tired of being censored on Twitter and shadow ban and all that shit. 0.71

01:37:43.000 So they try these other, whether it's Gab or Truth Social or any of them. 0.75

01:37:47.000 I guarantee you, look, if I was an intelligence agent and I was inclined to do, I would get in there and start seeing Highland.

01:37:56.000 I'd go crazy. 0.76

01:37:57.000 I'd post the most racist memes and have everybody salute. 0.99

01:38:00.000 I'd go nutty.

01:38:01.000 I'd have fake accounts liking those things and getting excited about it and reposting it because that's how you make a place toxic.

01:38:08.000 And that's how you kill the competition.

01:38:10.000 I would do that.

01:38:12.000 I would do that if I was running Twitter.

01:38:13.000 If you were just a kid, I obviously wouldn't do it, me as a person. 0.99

01:38:17.000 But if I was an evil fuck, I would be like, this is the way to do it. 1.00

01:38:20.000 It makes sense. 0.99

01:38:22.000 How do you make it a place where people don't want to be?

01:38:23.000 How hard is that to do? 0.68

01:38:24.000 You hire a bunch of people to do it, you get algorithms, you develop them, you start posting memes and shit. 0.94

01:38:31.000 Easy. 0.98

01:38:32.000 Now you make it toxic.

01:38:33.000 Now I look and I go, ugh, gotta get out of here.

01:38:35.000 Exactly. 0.98

01:38:36.000 Yeah, and so then you don't have an alternative, and you go back to Twitter, and you just deal with the fact that you're being censored, and you deal with the fact that if you're a left-wing person, you can say the most outrageous shit, even call for violence against people. 0.93

01:38:47.000 Twitter caught selling data to government spies while complaining about surveillance. 0.88

01:38:51.000 In for a penny, in for a data mine.

01:38:55.000 Is this recently?

01:38:57.000 What is this saying now?

01:38:58.000 They have a deal with a company called Data Miner.

01:39:03.000 And what does Data Miner do?

01:39:05.000 It uses AI technology to constantly monitor public activity on social media and other parts of the web.

01:39:10.000 In doing so, its clients often law enforcement can receive customized real-time alerts on what's brewing online, which helps them to respond to natural disasters or, more ominously, spy on protests, notes The Intercept.

01:39:24.000 Okay.

01:39:25.000 But also...

01:39:27.000 Does allow them real-time alerts of what's brewing online.

01:39:31.000 So you're not saying they're censoring people.

01:39:33.000 You're saying that they're allowing them to look at data. 0.96

01:39:37.000 So that data could be like how many people are posting about some sort of a protest where they want to burn down a church or whatever the fuck it is.

01:39:48.000 You're talking about a different thing than banning people from posting things, especially these people that are experts from Harvard and MIT and This is a different thing. 0.61

01:40:01.000 I've seen...

01:40:02.000 I mean, there's a data miner app.

01:40:04.000 I've seen how the information flows through.

01:40:07.000 I don't know what the...

01:40:08.000 It says, the story revealed the surveillance firm pays for special access to a fire hose of data from Twitter.

01:40:15.000 I'd be curious about what that fire hose of data is.

01:40:20.000 It says, data miner has a unique contractual relationship with Twitter whereby they have real-time access to the full stream of all publicly available tweets.

01:40:30.000 But it's just publicly available tweets that are already available.

01:40:34.000 So it's like a very high-level search function?

01:40:37.000 A company representative sent an email to the government agency per the report.

01:40:42.000 So is that like a search function?

01:40:44.000 Because it's all public tweets.

01:40:46.000 So they have access to the stream of all publicly available tweets.

01:40:50.000 But doesn't everybody have access to the publicly available tweets?

01:40:55.000 Not with AI. Right.

01:40:57.000 Software.

01:40:58.000 Right.

01:40:58.000 Monitoring it.

01:40:59.000 Right.

01:40:59.000 But if you did have an AI, say if you had an AI, whether it's Google's AI or any AI, you said, hey, go look at Twitter.

01:41:06.000 Tell me who's talking about Nazis.

01:41:08.000 Right.

01:41:09.000 Curating the tweets that are coming into your feed.

01:41:11.000 That's part of what he's been complaining about online is how many people, and they blocked access to many programs that did have access to the API because it costs money for them every time someone's taking that, so they just kind of cut it all off.

01:41:24.000 Like I used to use TweetDeck to look at Twitter all the time.

01:41:28.000 That doesn't work anymore?

01:41:29.000 You have to pay for it.

01:41:30.000 Oh, interesting.

01:41:31.000 Oh, interesting.

01:41:32.000 How come?

01:41:33.000 Because...

01:41:35.000 I honestly don't know.

01:41:37.000 Arguably, it would just be like, it was a good feature, so you might as well make people pay for it, because they need to make money.

01:41:41.000 How much TweetDeck cost?

01:41:43.000 It's part of the pro.

01:41:44.000 See, they pay for pro.

01:41:45.000 Okay.

01:41:47.000 And then there's the other thing where like Apple takes a slice of that if you're getting it off of your iPhone, right?

01:41:52.000 If you get from the App Store.

01:41:54.000 That's where it is.

01:41:55.000 If you pay for it on like Twitter, on the website, no.

01:41:57.000 But if you use the phone app on your phone to do it, then yes.

01:42:00.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:42:01.000 Apple's got the wildest thing going.

01:42:03.000 They get 30% of everything.

01:42:05.000 They have so much money.

01:42:07.000 They have more money than countries.

01:42:09.000 There's a lot of countries that don't have as much money as Apple.

01:42:11.000 Yeah, I believe it.

01:42:12.000 It's pretty nutty.

01:42:13.000 That's being challenged, I feel like, in a lawsuit too, right?

01:42:16.000 Yes.

01:42:17.000 Well, there's certain things that Apple does that are thought to...

01:42:25.000 We're good to go.

01:42:39.000 We're on 15 now?

01:42:40.000 So up until 15, you used to have to use a lightning connector, which only works on Apple devices.

01:42:46.000 Right.

01:42:47.000 Now you can use USB-C, which is way better.

01:42:49.000 It's better for connectivity, it's better for charging, get faster charging.

01:42:54.000 Like the Android phones, particularly like Samsung Galaxy, to go to full charge is like an hour less time.

01:43:01.000 Because it takes faster watt charging than the iPhone does.

01:43:07.000 And for the longest time, it would be a much better transfer of data because of USB-C. It's just a better, more efficient system.

01:43:15.000 But Apple's like, yeah, you gotta use...

01:43:17.000 So the European Union, I think that was the problem.

01:43:21.000 They couldn't sell them over there.

01:43:22.000 They were admitted illegal.

01:43:23.000 So then they had to switch it over to USB-C. So now everybody at least has a universal thing.

01:43:27.000 And then there's the problem with text messaging.

01:43:29.000 So...

01:43:30.000 If you have an Android and you send me a text message, it comes out green.

01:43:34.000 And I send you one that comes green.

01:43:35.000 Because it's text.

01:43:36.000 It's SMS. And so now they're going to adopt RCS. So the idea is, since you can't have iMessage on everything, at least you'll have encryption and you'll be able to send large file sizes.

01:43:49.000 And that's what RCS is.

01:43:50.000 Interesting.

01:43:50.000 Which is like a higher level of text messaging that's been enjoyed by people who use Androids, but not when they communicate with iPhones.

01:43:58.000 iPhones were forcing people to use SMS. It's shitty. 0.99

01:44:03.000 It's inferior. 0.99

01:44:04.000 You get blurry images and videos.

01:44:08.000 Not the same resolution.

01:44:10.000 It cuts it all down because it has to fit in the SMS format.

01:44:14.000 So now you'll be able to share photos just like you will with an iPhone to iPhone.

01:44:21.000 Interesting.

01:44:21.000 So no more green text messages?

01:44:25.000 Nope.

01:44:25.000 The text messages will still be green.

01:44:27.000 Oh, interesting. 1.00

01:44:29.000 Yeah, they want you to feel like shit. 1.00

01:44:30.000 They want you to feel like shit for having a different device. 1.00

01:44:33.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.98

01:44:34.000 It works, kids.

01:44:35.000 It does work.

01:44:36.000 The thing with kids, I think with teenagers, see if this is true, I believe I read that it was something like 86% of all teenagers, it was some high number, of all teenagers use iPhones.

01:44:49.000 Like, you're shunned if you use an Android.

01:44:52.000 Yeah.

01:44:52.000 Which is crazy.

01:44:53.000 It is crazy.

01:44:54.000 It's weird.

01:44:55.000 Yeah.

01:44:55.000 But that's how tribal people are.

01:44:58.000 We're tribal about our cell phones.

01:44:59.000 It's nuts.

01:45:00.000 We're tribal about the kind of computers we use, the kind of sneakers.

01:45:04.000 I'm an Adidas guy. 1.00

01:45:05.000 Fuck Nike. 1.00

01:45:05.000 You know, like, people are crazy. 1.00

01:45:06.000 Yeah.

01:45:07.000 87% of teens in the USA have an iPhone, while 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone, according to a survey from investment firm Piper Sandler.

01:45:17.000 That is a monopoly.

01:45:18.000 It's a huge monopoly.

01:45:20.000 That is wild.

01:45:20.000 Yeah.

01:45:21.000 It's wild.

01:45:21.000 And how they control their apps and how much money they make off of the apps.

01:45:25.000 Well, also, their whole ecosystem is amazing.

01:45:29.000 It's really good.

01:45:30.000 Like, they figured out a lot of really good things.

01:45:32.000 Yeah.

01:45:32.000 Like, it's so convenient that I can write on my computer, and then I can transfer it to my notes, and it's automatically on my phone.

01:45:39.000 Exactly.

01:45:40.000 I don't have to do anything else.

01:45:40.000 I use it all the time.

01:45:41.000 It's so good.

01:45:42.000 Yep.

01:45:43.000 That's so good.

01:45:43.000 You can do that with Samsung.

01:45:45.000 You can do that with Android.

01:45:47.000 You'd have to switch systems and relearn.

01:45:51.000 It's not hard to do.

01:45:52.000 They're pretty intuitive.

01:45:53.000 I have a Samsung phone.

01:45:55.000 I have an older one. 0.98

01:45:55.000 I have a Galaxy, one of the Ultras that I used to think took a clear photo of the moon, but it's actually bullshit. 0.98

01:46:01.000 Yeah. 0.92

01:46:02.000 Do you know that story?

01:46:03.000 No.

01:46:03.000 You don't know that?

01:46:04.000 No.

01:46:06.000 They got me.

01:46:07.000 They got me.

01:46:07.000 There was a feature that's still a feature.

01:46:10.000 It's kind of amazing.

01:46:11.000 It's called Moonshot.

01:46:12.000 And so you could be looking at the moon. 1.00

01:46:15.000 If you look at the moon with your iPhone and try to take a photo of it, it looks like dog shit. 0.99

01:46:18.000 It looks terrible because it's just like this blurry thing. 0.99

01:46:20.000 If you zoom in, it looks terrible.

01:46:22.000 But with Samsung's, when you zoom in, it holds a square over the moon and it enhances it.

01:46:29.000 And it gives you like 100x zoom.

01:46:31.000 So you get this crazy digital zoom, you zoom in on the moon, and it looks really clear.

01:46:37.000 But it turned out it was his AI. No!

01:46:41.000 Yes, yes.

01:46:42.000 Because some clever internet people...

01:46:44.000 Because you can't fool the internet.

01:46:46.000 What they did is they took a blurry image of the moon and they put it on a desktop computer and then took a photo with the camera of the blurry image on the desktop computer and it filled it in and made it pretty.

01:47:01.000 Wow.

01:47:02.000 That's kind of smart.

01:47:04.000 That's a smart hack to figure it out.

01:47:06.000 I've seen people try to argue away and say, well, it's actually no different than how AI enhances normal fire.

01:47:13.000 Yeah.

01:47:13.000 No.

01:47:14.000 No, you take a picture.

01:47:15.000 You're talking about the moon.

01:47:16.000 There's a lot of detail there.

01:47:19.000 Yeah.

01:47:19.000 What if there's a UFO I missed?

01:47:20.000 Right.

01:47:21.000 There's a UFO. Exactly.

01:47:22.000 You're trying to tell me the mothership is circling around the moon and you're lying to me. 1.00

01:47:27.000 You guys are liars. 0.89

01:47:28.000 But other than that, the technology is actually superior on those phones. 0.97

01:47:32.000 The Samsung's?

01:47:33.000 Oh, yeah.

01:47:33.000 It's quite a bit better.

01:47:35.000 The screens are quite a bit better.

01:47:36.000 The screens have an anti-reflective coating on the new S24 Ultra.

01:47:42.000 So even in bright sunlight when you're outside, you could read your screen perfect.

01:47:46.000 You don't have the glare that you do when you're trying to look at your phone like this.

01:47:49.000 You don't have to do that with Samsung's.

01:47:51.000 You also have superior battery life.

01:47:55.000 You only have like a tiny little circle that's missing from the screen for the camera. 0.99

01:48:00.000 You don't have that big ass stupid bar that's in the front for face ID. There's a lot of things. 0.99

01:48:06.000 It has a pen.

01:48:07.000 Write on it.

01:48:08.000 It has AI features.

01:48:10.000 It lets you translate in real time.

01:48:12.000 You and I can be having a conversation.

01:48:14.000 You could be speaking Spanish and it would show me in English in real time.

01:48:18.000 And then I could speak to you in English and it would show you in Spanish.

01:48:21.000 So the phone gets split down the middle.

01:48:24.000 So this side faces you and that side faces me.

01:48:27.000 And we would have a conversation and I could read what you're saying.

01:48:30.000 And then you could wear these earbuds and it will translate it in real time.

01:48:34.000 Oh, wow.

01:48:35.000 Which is crazy.

01:48:35.000 That's incredible.

01:48:36.000 It's crazy.

01:48:37.000 I tried using the Google Translate app when I was down at the border and talking to different people from different parts of the world and it sucked.

01:48:48.000 It's like the intent I think was for that to happen is like you just turn on the microphone and then I could speak and they could see in the screen like it's translating into their language and then they could respond in their language and you're just seeing it play out real time but it didn't work.

01:49:02.000 It didn't work.

01:49:03.000 It just didn't work.

01:49:03.000 The thing froze or it didn't translate and then you got to push all these buttons and then even then...

01:49:09.000 Well, the Samsung one is using AI, and I think it's the most advanced version.

01:49:13.000 It also has a thing where it lets you organize your notes in AI. And also, it'll change the tone of your text messages.

01:49:22.000 It'll suggest things that are more polite or more friendly.

01:49:26.000 Yeah, there's modes that you can do, so you can do AI for that.

01:49:30.000 That might piss me off sometime if I don't really want to write a polite text message.

01:49:34.000 Right.

01:49:35.000 Well, then you don't have to.

01:49:36.000 You can write it in your own language.

01:49:38.000 You can write it however you want.

01:49:39.000 In your own voice.

01:49:39.000 But then you can also ask it to make this more polite.

01:49:42.000 Oh, wow.

01:49:42.000 Okay.

01:49:43.000 That's what it is.

01:49:44.000 So it's not as long as I say, hey, Tulsi, how about you be a little nicer?

01:49:47.000 Right, exactly.

01:49:48.000 It doesn't do that.

01:49:49.000 It's not policing me.

01:49:50.000 It also will summarize webpages. 0.99

01:49:53.000 So if you go to a webpage, you go, I don't want to read all this shit. 0.97

01:49:55.000 Give me a summary. 0.98

01:49:56.000 And it'll instantly say, this is what's going on.

01:49:59.000 This is the problem.

01:50:00.000 Here's what's the dilemma.

01:50:02.000 And you're like, oh.

01:50:03.000 It'll break things down to you.

01:50:05.000 So it's using AI on the phone.

01:50:07.000 In constructive ways.

01:50:09.000 But 86% of kids don't have it.

01:50:12.000 Weird.

01:50:13.000 Weird.

01:50:15.000 Have you heard of this unplugged phone that Eric Prince is doing?

01:50:20.000 Yes.

01:50:20.000 Yeah, I have heard of it.

01:50:21.000 It's interesting.

01:50:22.000 I just got one.

01:50:24.000 I haven't set it up yet.

01:50:25.000 But it is what they're saying is the most secure means of communication.

01:50:30.000 Obviously, technology is never 100% secure.

01:50:33.000 But the fact that it does not have the same ad ID numbers that every one of our other phones has, Apple, Samsung, whatever, makes it so that we are able to protect more of our information than we would otherwise.

01:50:50.000 Right, but do you get to use apps with that?

01:50:53.000 Yeah.

01:50:54.000 Can you use Instagram?

01:50:55.000 They have their own operating system and their own apps, but you can also download whatever apps you want to download.

01:51:03.000 But if you download Instagram...

01:51:05.000 And they're the settings.

01:51:05.000 You are able to actually make it so that Instagram is not able to collect the kind of data that they would otherwise.

01:51:15.000 Really?

01:51:15.000 Yes.

01:51:16.000 What is it operating on?

01:51:18.000 Is it like graphene?

01:51:20.000 What is the operating system?

01:51:21.000 I haven't set it up yet.

01:51:22.000 It is an operating system.

01:51:24.000 They got the guy who, as their CTO, who created the Pegasus system.

01:51:32.000 Oh great, you can trust him.

01:51:34.000 That was my question.

01:51:37.000 If you're gonna make, first of all, if you're gonna make a honeypot phone...

01:51:41.000 Yeah, there's two sides of that.

01:51:43.000 Is if you created it, then ideally you would know how to protect against it, right?

01:51:48.000 Yes, for sure. 0.98

01:51:49.000 Or you would say, look, the kind of people that want a phone like this, these rah-rah-fuck-the-government people, these type of people that might get visited by the FBI, give them a phone, call it the Patriot phone or whatever the fuck you want to call it. 0.99

01:52:06.000 And make it a nice little honeypot. 0.99

01:52:07.000 I'm not saying that it isn't.

01:52:08.000 No, no, no.

01:52:10.000 So I asked them, it sounds like this is the perfect kind of phone for people in the military or people who are conducting different kinds of operations because of all of these protections and so on and so forth.

01:52:21.000 And they said they're intentionally not selling to the U.S. government because they don't want that doubt to be in people's minds that this is some kind of op that's happening that will allow some kind of surveillance to take place.

01:52:34.000 Anyway, it's interesting.

01:52:36.000 That is interesting.

01:52:37.000 There are other phones that do that.

01:52:40.000 There's phones that operate on an operating system called Graphene OS. We take a phone, like a Google phone, and they de-Google it.

01:52:50.000 So they remove all the Google stuff, and then there's a bunch of detailed instructions of how to do it.

01:52:56.000 Right. 0.99

01:52:57.000 And then they put this new operating system on, and when the new operating system works, all your shit doesn't work. 0.97

01:53:02.000 Like all the normal Google services and all that stuff. 0.93

01:53:05.000 It's a completely different operating system.

01:53:07.000 Yeah.

01:53:08.000 Yeah.

01:53:09.000 Theirs, they have figured out how to do both.

01:53:11.000 You can toggle on and off what mode you want to be in, and it's got the VPNs and everything else.

01:53:20.000 And that suspicious hippo face.

01:53:23.000 Yeah.

01:53:24.000 Yeah, skeptical hippo.

01:53:26.000 Yeah.

01:53:27.000 Yeah, if someone did figure something like out, that'd be great.

01:53:30.000 I've asked Elon about that once, because I'd read this story about a Tesla phone.

01:53:34.000 He's like, oh god, I hope we don't have to make phones.

01:53:37.000 But it's the way he said it.

01:53:38.000 I hope we don't have to make phones.

01:53:41.000 Interesting.

01:53:41.000 Yeah.

01:53:42.000 Yeah.

01:53:43.000 Yeah.

01:53:44.000 Because when you look at the interconnectedness between, you know, Tesla and you look at obviously the power element and then the car element and then you look at the content platform that they are building X into,

01:54:01.000 like the vision that they have for it to be the one-stop shop, not only for all different kinds of media, but for, you know, payment and interaction and business and commerce and everything else.

01:54:14.000 It's interesting when you look at that direction of connectivity.

01:54:17.000 It is also interesting that if you have a Tesla, and I have one, I love it.

01:54:21.000 You can't get Apple CarPlay.

01:54:23.000 Doesn't come with it.

01:54:24.000 No Apple CarPlay. 1.00

01:54:25.000 Fuck off. 1.00

01:54:27.000 Fuck off, stupid. 1.00

01:54:28.000 Use our shit. 1.00

01:54:30.000 So what can you use then? 1.00

01:54:32.000 Just their organic...

01:54:33.000 Well, you can Bluetooth your phone.

01:54:35.000 Like, you can play music.

01:54:36.000 Like, if you have Spotify hooked up to your phone on Bluetooth, you play a song on Spotify to play on that.

01:54:40.000 And you also have, like, there's a lot of options.

01:54:42.000 Like, Spotify's built into the system.

01:54:44.000 So you can just, like, tell it.

01:54:46.000 You can, like, press it, play Notorious B.I.G. And it'll just start playing a random song.

01:54:50.000 You can tell it what song to play.

01:54:52.000 Interesting.

01:54:52.000 You press a button, you say, hey, navigate to Eddie V's Steakhouse.

01:54:56.000 Bam, it'll take you there.

01:54:57.000 Okay. 0.86

01:54:58.000 So, and it's got this big-ass...

01:55:00.000 Huge screen.

01:55:01.000 I don't know how long it is.

01:55:05.000 How long is the screen in our cars?

01:55:06.000 It was like 18 inches.

01:55:08.000 Looks like it's about 18 inches, right?

01:55:10.000 And it's just massive map.

01:55:12.000 So like for navigation and everything, it's great.

01:55:15.000 Yeah.

01:55:16.000 But If I was going to make a phone, I wouldn't allow Android or Apple to have CarPlay. 1.00

01:55:23.000 Fuck off. 1.00

01:55:24.000 Use my shit. 1.00

01:55:26.000 And then once you develop an X phone, I wouldn't be surprised. 1.00

01:55:30.000 I could see it.

01:55:31.000 I'm sure he's thought of it.

01:55:33.000 I'm sure he's thought of it other than me saying that to him.

01:55:35.000 I'm sure that's not the first time he thought of it.

01:55:38.000 Because if anybody could pull it off, it's probably...

01:55:41.000 It's probably Twitter and X, whatever.

01:55:44.000 If they came up with a SpaceX phone, all the nerds would be like, gimme, gimme, gimme.

01:55:48.000 Especially if it was good.

01:55:50.000 Especially if people move to more secure messaging systems that are end-to-end encrypted, like Signal, which also I get skeptical about.

01:56:00.000 I read something on one of them forums where they're saying that Signal was funded by CIA money.

01:56:08.000 Is that true?

01:56:09.000 Which is not...

01:56:10.000 That's not good.

01:56:12.000 And then there's WhatsApp, which is owned by Facebook.

01:56:15.000 Yeah.

01:56:16.000 WhatsApp is...

01:56:18.000 Not a secure form of communication.

01:56:20.000 It's not?

01:56:21.000 No.

01:56:21.000 Is it sus?

01:56:22.000 No.

01:56:22.000 It's more than sus.

01:56:23.000 Super sus?

01:56:24.000 Yes.

01:56:25.000 I just want to hear you say super sus.

01:56:27.000 It's confirmed sus.

01:56:28.000 How about that?

01:56:30.000 Freedom of the Press Foundation acted as Signal's fiscal sponsor.

01:56:33.000 Between 2013 and 2016, the project received grants from the Knight Foundation, the Shuttleworth Foundation, and almost $3 million from the U.S. government.

01:56:43.000 Sponsored Open Technology Fund.

01:56:46.000 Hmm.

01:56:49.000 Yeah.

01:56:50.000 What does that say there on Reddit?

01:56:53.000 Article claims signals origins as a U.S. government asset are...

01:57:01.000 Asset are public record and a lack of funding is because of the CIA? Found this article that makes it claim that Signal's origins as a U.S. government asset are a matter of extensive public record even if the scope and scale of the funding provided has until now.

01:57:18.000 Does anyone here know what public records they're referring to here?

01:57:22.000 It says if so, does anyone have links to these public records?

01:57:26.000 This means Signal is a honeypot.

01:57:30.000 Hmm.

01:57:30.000 They also say that Signal handed people over to the CIA. I'd like to know what actually evidence of that exists.

01:57:36.000 If it's true, that kind of sucks. 0.92

01:57:38.000 That's what it says there. 0.78

01:57:39.000 But Tucker said that he was communicating through Signal and that the government contacted him and said, we know that you're setting up a meeting with Putin.

01:57:48.000 Yeah.

01:57:49.000 Because we read your signal.

01:57:50.000 And he was like, I didn't know you could even do that.

01:57:52.000 Well, this connects directly back to the FISA Section 702 law.

01:57:58.000 Because if they are surveilling certain foreign entities in Russia...

01:58:04.000 I think?

01:58:25.000 We need to go and capture all of Tucker's data.

01:58:27.000 For example, I have no idea if this actually happened, but let's say that's the scenario.

01:58:32.000 That court, and this is public information, that court approves 99.9999999% of all requests that the government makes to go in and surveil American citizens.

01:58:43.000 It's essentially a rubber stamp, which is exactly the problem.

01:58:47.000 That's where I could foresee, okay, well, Tucker's communicating on Signal.

01:58:52.000 This surveillance law that just was strengthened recently when Congress passed it and Biden signed it into law allows that to happen. 0.99

01:59:01.000 So it's all bullshit then. 0.96

01:59:03.000 So Signal, unplug phone, all that stuff. 0.98

01:59:07.000 If that's the case, if they have the ability to read signal, don't you think they have the ability to read every single piece of information that gets sent from your phone?

01:59:17.000 They can intercept it and read it.

01:59:19.000 It just makes sense that they can do that.

01:59:21.000 I don't know how you're going to protect that.

01:59:23.000 Maybe I'm ignorant, but I don't understand how you could protect that.

01:59:27.000 With a different operating system, as long as it's using the same cell phone signals.

01:59:30.000 I understand that you're saying it's encrypted, but is that encryption impossible to crack?

01:59:35.000 Is there a source of that encryption?

01:59:38.000 Couldn't someone just get the phone and figure it out and back-engineer it?

01:59:42.000 Seems like they could.

01:59:44.000 An interesting thing about, I asked this same question about this unplugged phone.

01:59:50.000 And if you're using, which I hadn't heard before about any other app, but if you're using their version of Signal, their, you know, texting app that you can do calls and FaceTime and whatever through with another app on another unplugged phone,

02:00:06.000 Every time you connect a call or you send a text message, it generates a new encryption key.

02:00:12.000 Versus Signal, which is when you download it and you set up your account or whatever, that is your key.

02:00:20.000 But would you have to have an unplugged phone for me to talk to you in that encrypted app?

02:00:27.000 Yes, I believe so.

02:00:28.000 So you would have to have it and I would have to have it?

02:00:30.000 I believe so.

02:00:30.000 Because I don't know that their app is available on Apple, for example.

02:00:36.000 Right.

02:00:36.000 See, that would be interesting if someone developed something that did that, that developed a new certificate.

02:00:43.000 The generation of a new encrypted key every time you're using it.

02:00:47.000 Yeah.

02:00:48.000 And starting a conversation.

02:00:50.000 That's...

02:00:51.000 It all seems like a futile race.

02:00:55.000 It just seems like the boundaries between people and privacy.

02:00:59.000 A signal facing collapse after CIA cuts funding.

02:01:03.000 Oh, Jesus.

02:01:04.000 This is an investigative journalist on a website.

02:01:06.000 I then looked up his account.

02:01:08.000 His account is suspended on Twitter or X. I don't know why, but this is an article that says some interesting things.

02:01:17.000 But I don't know how much of this is fact.

02:01:20.000 That's almost why I hesitated to bring it up.

02:01:22.000 It does say...

02:01:23.000 A friend of mine...

02:01:24.000 So, hold on a second.

02:01:26.000 Never acknowledged in any serious way by the mainstream media.

02:01:29.000 Signals origins as a U.S. government asset or a matter of extensive public record, even if the scope and the scale of the funding provided has until now been secret.

02:01:37.000 The apt brainchild of shadowy tech guru, Moxie Marlinspike, by the way.

02:01:43.000 That's called...

02:01:43.000 He came on the podcast.

02:01:45.000 He's not shadowy.

02:01:45.000 Did he really?

02:01:46.000 Yeah, he's on the podcast.

02:01:47.000 Wow.

02:01:47.000 Not shadowy at all.

02:01:48.000 Interesting.

02:01:49.000 No, like regular guy.

02:01:50.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:01:51.000 Some of this is probably horseshit. 0.88

02:01:53.000 Real name, Matthew Rosenfeld. 0.99

02:01:55.000 How dare you, Moxie? 1.00

02:01:56.000 You have a fake name. 0.88

02:01:58.000 Was launched.

02:01:59.000 In 2013, by his now-defunct Open Whisper Systems, the company never published financial statements or disclosed the identities of its funders at any point during its operation.

02:02:10.000 Some's involved in developing, launching, and running a message app used by countless people globally will nonetheless be surely significant.

02:02:18.000 The newly published financial records indicate signals operating costs for 2023 alone are $40 million and projected to rise to $50 million by 2025. Rosenfeld boasted in 2018 that OWS never took VC venture capital funding or sought investment at any point,

02:02:38.000 though mysteriously failed to mention millions were provided by the Open Technology Fund.

02:02:45.000 Yeah, and that's the money.

02:02:47.000 Oh, here we go.

02:02:49.000 Open Technology Fund was launched in 2012 as a pilot program of Radio Free Asia, an asset of the U.S. Agency for Global Media.

02:02:59.000 Oh, boy.

02:03:00.000 Which is funded by U.S. Congress to the tune of over $1 billion annually.

02:03:05.000 In 2018, the then CEO openly acknowledged the agency's global priorities reflect U.S. national security and public diplomacy interests.

02:03:19.000 That sounds sus.

02:03:20.000 Is that super sus?

02:03:21.000 That is super sus.

02:03:24.000 I just like you saying super sus.

02:03:28.000 Yeah.

02:03:30.000 That's a little iffy.

02:03:31.000 It's very, I would say so.

02:03:33.000 If it's true, or if it's not true, it's a disinformation campaign designed to cripple Signal and to lose people's trust in Signal.

02:03:42.000 Yeah, perhaps.

02:03:43.000 That last thing there, though, is a separate issue of concern of the United States government funding...

02:03:53.000 U.S. propaganda, essentially, in different parts of the world.

02:03:57.000 I would like to talk to real nerds about this phone, this unplugged phone.

02:04:01.000 The real nerds.

02:04:02.000 I would like to have the real nerds look at this and go, yes or no.

02:04:06.000 What do you think is going on there?

02:04:08.000 I'm curious as well.

02:04:09.000 Is there reviews of the unplugged phone by any of them super smart people?

02:04:14.000 It still says it's on pre-order.

02:04:16.000 Oh, but they have them.

02:04:19.000 Brian Callen has one.

02:04:20.000 Tulsa, you have one.

02:04:21.000 Yeah.

02:04:22.000 It says buy now, but I don't...

02:04:23.000 Let's see what happens if I say buy now.

02:04:26.000 I can buy it.

02:04:27.000 Oh, so it's not pre-order.

02:04:29.000 It used to be pre-order?

02:04:32.000 Like, until recently?

02:04:33.000 I'll just show you what I saw.

02:04:36.000 Pre-order today.

02:04:38.000 See?

02:04:38.000 Right.

02:04:39.000 It says the positive $4.99.

02:04:41.000 Did you just go to the actual?

02:04:43.000 I did.

02:04:43.000 And that's where, like, I started clicking stuff.

02:04:45.000 Oh, so maybe it used to be.

02:04:46.000 Maybe that was the link at one point in time.

02:04:48.000 It said pre-order.

02:04:51.000 Okay.

02:04:52.000 It'd be interesting if people use this.

02:04:53.000 But it's like, I mean, I need someone to tell.

02:04:56.000 Is it $1,900?

02:04:58.000 Actually, I have two in the cart. 0.99

02:05:00.000 What, are you buying phones, you psycho? 0.99

02:05:02.000 What are you doing? 0.99

02:05:02.000 I was trying to see what it was going to ship. 0.99

02:05:04.000 If it says shipping in three months, that means it's not available.

02:05:07.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:05:08.000 Right.

02:05:08.000 What if we start using those?

02:05:11.000 I don't know.

02:05:12.000 Yeah, it is very interesting because there are other phones that I've seen in the past who have tried this and not succeeded.

02:05:19.000 And I don't know whether it was a virtue of the time in our country where people maybe just weren't that interested in having a secure means of communication or a secure phone.

02:05:30.000 Well, people don't want the inconvenience and most people don't have to think about this, right?

02:05:34.000 So they're not thinking about the government looking at everything they do.

02:05:37.000 What are they doing?

02:05:38.000 Right.

02:05:38.000 Just trying to get laid and trying to have fun.

02:05:40.000 They're just trying to do normal stuff.

02:05:41.000 They don't care.

02:05:42.000 But if 86 or whatever the number was, percent of kids use iPhones, they are locked into that ecosystem.

02:05:51.000 Yeah.

02:05:51.000 You're locked in with your photographs.

02:05:52.000 You're locked in with everything.

02:05:54.000 Yeah, you've got Apple Pay and you've got the whole thing.

02:05:57.000 Everything.

02:05:57.000 All you need is your phone.

02:05:58.000 You use your phone.

02:05:59.000 I use my phone as a remote control to control Apple TV. It's crazy.

02:06:03.000 It's actually better than the real remote control.

02:06:05.000 Interesting. 0.98

02:06:06.000 Because you can type on the keyboard instead of doing that stupid thing where you have to go. 0.99

02:06:10.000 Oh, gosh. 1.00

02:06:11.000 Yeah.

02:06:11.000 Letter by letter scrolling.

02:06:14.000 You try to find a movie.

02:06:15.000 It takes five minutes to type it out.

02:06:17.000 You can just type it on your phone.

02:06:19.000 Interesting.

02:06:19.000 Yeah.

02:06:19.000 The Apple remote control thing is fucking great.

02:06:23.000 It's better. 0.95

02:06:25.000 The problem is, when you have these walled gardens, like Apple's ecosystem, it's very difficult when you have everything over there, all your stuff, your email, your this, your that.

02:06:34.000 To jump off of that.

02:06:35.000 It's hard.

02:06:35.000 And most people don't ever do it.

02:06:37.000 They just go, ugh, too much work.

02:06:38.000 Like, whatever you're on, whether you're on Android or whether you're on Apple.

02:06:42.000 But they try to make it easy.

02:06:44.000 They try to lure you over.

02:06:46.000 They try to get you to switch.

02:06:48.000 Nobody wants to do it.

02:06:50.000 I think that's where it is.

02:06:51.000 It is interesting to me that more and more people are paying attention to government surveillance, their ability to reach into our private information, and who is allowing that to happen.

02:07:06.000 I think they count on the majority of us not being aware.

02:07:09.000 And I think that is the case today.

02:07:11.000 The majority of people are not aware and they don't think of it as a primary concern.

02:07:15.000 The majority of people are way more concerned about climate change.

02:07:19.000 You think it's a majority of people?

02:07:22.000 I think it's a lot of people.

02:07:23.000 They'll say it at least.

02:07:25.000 How much they know about it is weird.

02:07:27.000 I've had conversations with people where they talk about like, hey, they all agree.

02:07:30.000 We've got to act now about the climate.

02:07:32.000 And I go, what did you hear?

02:07:34.000 Tell me what you hear.

02:07:35.000 Have a conversation.

02:07:36.000 Let them just spill it all out.

02:07:38.000 Don't even challenge them.

02:07:39.000 Just let them spill it all out.

02:07:40.000 And it's like AOC talking about Palestine and Israel.

02:07:43.000 It's like, um...

02:07:44.000 I'm not really...

02:07:45.000 It's like a centimeter deep.

02:07:45.000 Not exactly.

02:07:47.000 I'm not sure something's happening.

02:07:51.000 They don't know what they're talking about.

02:07:53.000 And if you say, have you ever looked at a video of the difference in the shoreline from like 1987 to today?

02:08:00.000 Have you ever done that?

02:08:01.000 Have I done it?

02:08:02.000 Yeah.

02:08:02.000 I've seen for Hawaii.

02:08:04.000 Yeah.

02:08:04.000 What's the difference?

02:08:05.000 It's bigger.

02:08:06.000 It is.

02:08:07.000 Much bigger.

02:08:08.000 Because Hawaii grows because it's a volcano.

02:08:10.000 Yeah.

02:08:11.000 But when you look at the shoreline, a lot of places are kind of seems the same. 0.98

02:08:15.000 And also these like fucking psycho rich people are buying houses like on the beach. 0.99

02:08:21.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:08:21.000 Do they know something we don't know? 0.99

02:08:24.000 Don't you think if they really thought that the oceans were going to rise 100 feet in the next week, that the fucking insurance companies would go, hey, you can't buy that. 0.98

02:08:32.000 Or even the next five years. 0.89

02:08:35.000 Well, people are having a hard time getting homeowner's insurance in California because of the wildfires.

02:08:39.000 Yeah, that's true.

02:08:40.000 That's a real one.

02:08:41.000 That's a very big issue.

02:08:42.000 That's a real one.

02:08:43.000 That's a real one.

02:08:45.000 But they're not having a hard time if they're right next to the water.

02:08:47.000 Yeah.

02:08:49.000 It's not like tsunami insurance.

02:08:51.000 Yeah.

02:08:53.000 They even have that?

02:08:55.000 Tsunami insurance?

02:08:56.000 I don't know.

02:08:57.000 I want to say yes.

02:08:58.000 I bet that's like carved out.

02:09:00.000 I want to say yes.

02:09:00.000 I want to say no.

02:09:02.000 I think if you're a dumbass that buys a $50 million house in Malibu, like right on the... 1.00

02:09:06.000 I want to be all in the water. 1.00

02:09:08.000 Like, hey, bitch. 1.00

02:09:09.000 You know how much water's out there? 1.00

02:09:12.000 There's a lot of water.

02:09:13.000 Well, we had, you know, the active volcano that we've had on the Big Island for so long, but the actual...

02:09:18.000 The flow that happened through neighborhoods when the floor of the volcanic shelf within the crater fell through, the lava went down and started flowing through all these lava tubes that were running beneath fully occupied neighborhoods.

02:09:36.000 People had bought land and built houses in those neighborhoods knowing it was, I think it was a Lava 3 zone, which is like, you're building on top of an active volcano's lava tubes.

02:09:47.000 You have to know that you're assuming that risk.

02:09:52.000 When that happened, there were, you know, lava spouts and little mini craters that were formed within so many of these different communities.

02:10:02.000 We were going around there.

02:10:03.000 I was with the head of the roads division for Hawaii County.

02:10:07.000 We would go and look.

02:10:08.000 And as soon as there was a crack in the pavement, we'd be like, okay, we've got to mark that one down on the map.

02:10:13.000 Because that is, you know, the next day you see the steam coming up as though it's a lava vent.

02:10:19.000 And then within the next day or two, you would have an active, like, 20, 30, 40 feet in the air lava spilling up.

02:10:25.000 Right in the middle of, like, a normal kind of suburbia-ish neighborhood.

02:10:30.000 And this happened in over 20 different locations within this particular area.

02:10:37.000 And it was mind-blowing to go there one day after the other after the other and see how quickly a beautiful little neighborhood turned into a complete bed of lava.

02:10:50.000 So this then begs the question, like, oh, is your home insured?

02:10:55.000 There was one insurance company in the entire world that would insure homes that were built in a Lava 3 zone.

02:11:04.000 Did they go under?

02:11:05.000 Well, I don't think they went under because it's so freaking expensive.

02:11:10.000 Most people just didn't have it.

02:11:12.000 Most people couldn't afford it.

02:11:14.000 It's a gamble, right?

02:11:14.000 It is a gamble.

02:11:15.000 They're taking a crazy gamble.

02:11:16.000 It was amazing to see how so many residents there recognized, like, okay, yeah, we knew we were getting this land.

02:11:23.000 It was pretty cheap.

02:11:24.000 Built a beautiful house, knowing that this possibility could occur.

02:11:28.000 And frankly, it was amazing to see their respect for Mother Nature.

02:11:33.000 And knowing, like, we chose to live here.

02:11:36.000 Madame Pele is doing her thing, and we're gonna have to figure out something else.

02:11:41.000 So, what is going on right now in Maui?

02:11:48.000 Can I take a quick bathroom break?

02:11:50.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:11:50.000 This is a good one to talk about, right?

02:11:51.000 It's a very important one, yeah.

02:11:55.000 We're back.

02:11:56.000 So, we were just about to talk about Maui.

02:11:58.000 Yes.

02:11:58.000 So, what is going on right now post fires?

02:12:06.000 No one is rebuilding homes yet.

02:12:08.000 The remediation effort is still underway.

02:12:11.000 And the biggest challenge for the families who were directly impacted by that, who were left homeless, is the fact that they still don't have anywhere to go.

02:12:20.000 You know, they've been put up in Airbnbs or in hotel rooms for a period of time.

02:12:27.000 On Maui, the hotels are like, hey, we need to be able to start welcoming in tourists back into the island.

02:12:36.000 And so the governor is trying to work out a plan to be able to provide some form of semi-permanent housing for people.

02:12:42.000 If they were to try to go out and rent a house on the market, it is purely unaffordable.

02:12:48.000 And there are a number of families who are now faced with the tough decision of, do we just pick up and go and move our life out of Hawaii and to the mainland?

02:12:57.000 Which is heartbreaking, given how many of those families—I mean, they've been in that community in West Maui or in Lahaina for generations— What is happening with the people that had mortgages?

02:13:07.000 So if they had a mortgage and their home was burnt down and they haven't gotten money from the insurance company and they haven't been able to rebuild, do they still have to pay that mortgage while this is all going on?

02:13:17.000 I haven't heard that raised as an issue.

02:13:20.000 I would hope that the mortgage company would recognize what's going on, but that's a good question.

02:13:26.000 I haven't heard it raised as an issue from either residents or as part of the conversation around housing for them.

02:13:34.000 Why has no one been able to rebuild?

02:13:37.000 There has to be...

02:13:39.000 There are so many layers of toxins in the ground that have to be cleaned up and removed before people can go in and actually start to rebuild.

02:13:51.000 But to speak of just the inspection and the permitting process and so forth...

02:13:55.000 So the layers of toxins just from the fire?

02:13:58.000 From the fire and you know you had like a gas station with underground fuel tanks that burned like completely to ash on the ground.

02:14:06.000 The toxins that came from all you know different construction and and everything else that exists in the environment.

02:14:14.000 So all that stuff burns.

02:14:16.000 It gets in the soil.

02:14:18.000 It gets rained on.

02:14:19.000 So the ground is contaminated.

02:14:22.000 Right.

02:14:24.000 This is the reason why they can't rebuild?

02:14:26.000 Yeah, and they knew from the outset it was a known fact that it would take, I mean, if it only takes a year, that is an expedited timeline, is what I've been told.

02:14:39.000 How long has it been now?

02:14:41.000 August will be one year.

02:14:43.000 August 8th.

02:14:45.000 Whew.

02:14:46.000 The most insulting thing was the $700 one-time payment from the government.

02:14:50.000 Who said yes to that?

02:14:52.000 Who allowed that?

02:14:53.000 And at the same time, releasing this number where they accidentally had sent Ukraine $6 billion.

02:15:02.000 Remember that?

02:15:03.000 Yeah.

02:15:03.000 They said, oh, well, we lost track of this $6 billion.

02:15:07.000 And so now that we've found it because of some accounting error, now we can go and send it to Ukraine.

02:15:12.000 And they were automatically assuming they were going to send that anyway.

02:15:15.000 Of course.

02:15:16.000 But no consideration at all.

02:15:19.000 You know, I remember specifically when the fires had just happened, the White House brought in the director of FEMA to talk to the White House press corps, and someone asked the question, what are you, FEMA, what are you actually doing for the people who've been impacted by this tragedy?

02:15:36.000 And the director stood there with a straight face and proudly said, well, we have provided a one-time payment of $700 to everyone who has been impacted by this fire or displaced by this fire.

02:15:48.000 And that was her big announcement that she was there to make.

02:15:51.000 One single one-time payment of $700.

02:15:55.000 So that means you have 700 servings of ramen.

02:15:59.000 Basically.

02:16:00.000 I mean, you can't even rent a bedroom in someone's house for $700.

02:16:09.000 It certainly can't for eight months.

02:16:12.000 No.

02:16:12.000 That's what's crazy.

02:16:13.000 No.

02:16:14.000 $700 is so crazy. 0.99

02:16:16.000 It's just such an insulting and ridiculous number. 0.91

02:16:19.000 And the fact that they haven't given more... 0.91

02:16:23.000 But yet they're flying people around on airplanes that come in illegally through the border?

02:16:28.000 How much does that cost?

02:16:30.000 What does that program cost?

02:16:31.000 Exactly.

02:16:32.000 What does that cost?

02:16:33.000 Multi-billions of dollars, if I had to guess.

02:16:40.000 FEMA has other services.

02:16:42.000 It's a lot of bureaucracy.

02:16:43.000 It's a lot of paperwork.

02:16:44.000 And residents on Maui, they were being told, like, okay, well, hey, if you accept this kind of aid from FEMA, you are ceding some sense of your sovereignty or decision-making ability with regard to your land or your property.

02:16:59.000 And all of the red tape, essentially, that caused a people, a community...

02:17:06.000 Who are rightfully skeptical about government coming in and saying, okay, well, we're going to help you when that same government said, oh, yeah, hey, we may at that time, and the governor said this, and then he corrected himself later on, but he's like, oh, yeah, we're thinking about and talking about how we can turn this entire place,

02:17:23.000 have the government take ownership of it and turn it into some kind of memorial or some kind of workforce housing.

02:17:30.000 Which obviously made people really freaking mad to say like, well, who the hell are you to come in here and say, you're just going to take our land?

02:17:37.000 You're just going to take it and do what you want with it?

02:17:39.000 So they're obviously very skeptical and rightfully so about, you know, the fine print.

02:17:46.000 What does it mean if I accept a few bucks here or there from the federal government?

02:17:50.000 What power am I ceding to you to determine my future, the future of my family and our home?

02:17:55.000 And unfortunately, the rest of the country has forgotten about it.

02:17:59.000 By and large, yeah.

02:18:01.000 There's always a new thing in the news.

02:18:03.000 There's always a new thing to pay attention to.

02:18:05.000 There's always a new fear.

02:18:06.000 One of the things that has just recently come out, first of all, the Maui Police Department, they did an audit of what went wrong, what did we do wrong, what should we have done better, and kudos to them for actually doing this.

02:18:20.000 And I think they came up with like 92 recommendations on things that needed to be fixed.

02:18:28.000 They shared that with municipalities all across the country as like, hey, here are the hard lessons that we learned.

02:18:33.000 You guys should take note and try to protect yourselves from having to go through what we went through.

02:18:39.000 Other agencies at the county level and at the state level have not been so honest or transparent about their shortcomings.

02:18:46.000 Yeah.

02:19:07.000 Compassionate and responsible person and leader would do you immediately get on the first plane out?

02:19:12.000 You get a notification there this, you know, this fire is happening on Maui.

02:19:16.000 I got to be there with my people and I got to lead my teams to respond to this emergency.

02:19:21.000 It took him a few days to go back to Maui, first of all.

02:19:25.000 But the thing that was, and I don't know if you can find this, Jamie, but they released his text exchanges that he had with his assistant.

02:19:33.000 Who was telling him, he's like, what's going on with the fire?

02:19:37.000 LOL. And the assistant responding, saying, ha ha ha, this place is like a circus.

02:19:44.000 Their exchange was so, so...

02:19:49.000 Disturbing doesn't even put it lightly when you know there are people who are being burned to ash, burned alive in their community, and their text exchange is like, oh, ha ha ha, is the fire still going?

02:20:03.000 LOL, yup, now it's going in another place.

02:20:07.000 I couldn't believe it when I read it.

02:20:10.000 And this was the same guy.

02:20:11.000 Herman Andaya is his name.

02:20:15.000 He didn't show up and show his face publicly until like seven days after the fire.

02:20:21.000 And then he went and he did one press conference and then he quit and resigned.

02:20:24.000 But there has not yet, and I hope investigations are ongoing, there has not been any kind of accountability at the various failure points that existed in this response.

02:20:37.000 If the government wanted to take over that land, the best way to do it is to drag this out and make it so that people have no other choice.

02:20:46.000 They have nothing to do.

02:20:47.000 They can't do anything.

02:20:48.000 And they just tell stories about it.

02:20:50.000 We used to own that land.

02:20:51.000 Right.

02:20:52.000 There's a Native Hawaiian leader, famous surfer, navigator for the Hokulea and traditional Hawaiian navigation, Archie Kalepa.

02:21:02.000 He has been one of the most stalwart leaders for the community during this whole period in time, organizing emergency response and food and shelter and community gatherings.

02:21:15.000 People come and play music at the end of the day throughout this whole crisis period and has been leading the charge.

02:21:21.000 He's very well respected in the community.

02:21:31.000 Yeah.

02:21:50.000 Right.

02:21:51.000 So they're going to have to do some sort of— Well, to speak of the cost, I mean, like building a house from scratch.

02:21:57.000 Right.

02:21:57.000 Crazy.

02:21:57.000 Most people don't have that money.

02:21:59.000 No.

02:21:59.000 And then also, like, how long is this cleanup going to take?

02:22:02.000 And, like, when does it start?

02:22:04.000 And what do they have to do?

02:22:05.000 I mean, I guess it involves massive excavation, right?

02:22:07.000 It is ongoing, but it is massive excavation, and it's— So it's ongoing.

02:22:12.000 It is ongoing.

02:22:12.000 Do they have an anticipated timeline?

02:22:14.000 I heard from one guy, they were looking at, well, hopefully, maybe it might be September, it might be October, but, you know, it's one of those things that one of the guys who's out there actually doing this is just saying, well, you don't know what you're going to deal with until you're actually dealing with it, and it might take longer,

02:22:31.000 it might not take as long, but it's one of those things that they're not figuring out as they go, but they are being confronted with things as they go.

02:22:40.000 Is this one of those issues where you wish that maybe you still were in Congress?

02:22:46.000 Because at least you could be talking about it.

02:22:48.000 That was my hope.

02:22:49.000 And I talked with leaders in Congress and people who I still know there and just calling for oversight and accountability from the federal government because we saw many points of failure, everything from the immediate response to the whole water issue and the fact that there wasn't any water coming through people's hoses during that time.

02:23:10.000 Now, why was that?

02:23:13.000 Yeah.

02:23:36.000 And there was a state water management official, apparently, who had some say in this of saying, well, you know, I don't think that we should turn the water on for this period of time because we don't know exactly what's going to happen.

02:23:50.000 But my point is, all of these things need to be very clearly investigated because people's lives and property were absolutely destroyed because of this.

02:24:01.000 So was it because that water is a valuable commodity?

02:24:04.000 They didn't allow it to be used by the people that were experiencing the fire?

02:24:07.000 There was some implication of...

02:24:16.000 I don't know.

02:24:16.000 It was like, well, we want to make sure that the water is being distributed equitably, and so we don't want to give it to one group of people over another group of people.

02:24:27.000 It really didn't make any sense what the argument was, but it was like, hey, you missed that critical juncture in that window because you were trying to ruminate.

02:24:37.000 It was something to do with equity and some theoretical...

02:24:52.000 There's also the thing about having above ground wires.

02:24:57.000 Yes.

02:24:58.000 Yes.

02:24:58.000 It is.

02:25:01.000 At a place that experiences storms, but also on West Maui is traditionally a drier part of the island that also experiences wildfires, even small ones on a regular basis that if they're not immediately controlled, you end up with what happened.

02:25:18.000 This is so disheartening that it's not receiving more attention.

02:25:23.000 Yeah.

02:25:24.000 Yeah.

02:25:28.000 You look at the things that we've talked about.

02:25:32.000 What are they actually focusing on?

02:25:35.000 And that's...

02:25:37.000 That's where the opportunity, and it is such a dire picture, you know, it's a time where we're surrounded by literally insane people who are making decisions that further their own interests and their desire to either hold on to power or grow their power at the cost of the well-being of the people and at the cost of our fundamental freedoms.

02:26:04.000 Yeah.

02:26:04.000 And that's where this election, our using our voice, our defending our freedom of speech by speaking the truth and speaking freely, all of these things and our engagement with them as Americans,

02:26:20.000 as citizens, It matters more than anything else.

02:26:25.000 Because if we continue to go down this track, we will continue to see our freedoms undermined until we wake up one day and this will no longer be the America that we know and that we love.

02:26:41.000 That's a scary thought.

02:26:43.000 It is.

02:26:43.000 Until the last few years, I never would have thought that was the case.

02:26:46.000 Same.

02:26:47.000 I would be like, nah, we're going to be okay.

02:26:49.000 Yeah.

02:26:49.000 Now I'm not so sure.

02:26:50.000 Yeah.

02:26:50.000 Because, I mean, we've gone through, you know, the political powers switch from one side to the other and back again.

02:26:56.000 And, you know, you figure like, okay, well, I disagree with this person or this issue or whatever.

02:27:02.000 But...

02:27:04.000 Being grounded and having the confidence in the Constitution and these fundamental rights and freedoms is kind of like, okay, well, you know, we'll figure out the rest.

02:27:15.000 But all of that, for everything that we've talked about, censorship and control and big government overreach and all of the government surveillance, all of these different things point to the very real risk and domestic threat that we face.

02:27:34.000 Yeah, there's just so many factors that are simultaneously taking place.

02:27:39.000 There's surveillance, there's the invasion, which is kind of an invasion.

02:27:45.000 The open borders.

02:27:47.000 You can call it whatever you want, but it's people coming here that aren't supposed to be here. 1.00

02:27:50.000 And I'm for immigration, just for them figuring out who's criminal. 1.00

02:27:55.000 Well, legal.

02:27:56.000 And this is the thing.

02:27:58.000 I've got a friend of mine who's about to retire.

02:28:00.000 Special Forces Green Beret served over 30 years in uniform.

02:28:06.000 Great, great American who's dedicated his life to service.

02:28:10.000 He's about to retire.

02:28:12.000 His wife is from a European country.

02:28:15.000 And they want to invite her sister and her sister's family to come to the retirement ceremony.

02:28:21.000 They're residents of Italy.

02:28:22.000 They have been denied a tourist visa to come to America for two weeks to attend the Special Forces Warrant Officer's retirement.

02:28:35.000 How is that?

02:28:36.000 And these are like, hey, they got a family, they got young kids, they got school, they got jobs.

02:28:41.000 And they were denied saying, well, we don't think that you have...

02:28:45.000 We don't have confidence that you will come back to your life in Italy. 1.00

02:28:50.000 And yet, again, people are coming through the border every day, being picked up.

02:28:55.000 Border Patrol has become like this Uber drivers for people who are breaking our laws from the moment they step across the border into our country illegally.

02:29:06.000 And, okay, so then they go out in the country.

02:29:08.000 Nobody knows where they are, who they are.

02:29:10.000 Are they really going to show up for a court date in two years or three years?

02:29:14.000 And nothing is really truly being done about this.

02:29:17.000 Seven years.

02:29:18.000 Seven years between then and the court date.

02:29:20.000 Okay.

02:29:21.000 What?

02:29:22.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:29:24.000 Exactly.

02:29:25.000 It almost seems like it's all designed to erode our faith and to make this whole thing something that's way easier to control.

02:29:34.000 Because the way our system is set up right now, if you can express the freedom of speech, if you actually can do that, it makes it very difficult to really control a narrative.

02:29:46.000 That's it right there.

02:29:47.000 That's it right there.

02:29:49.000 Control and power.

02:29:50.000 And they're terrified of a truly free society where we can have a truly free open marketplace of ideas.

02:29:59.000 They're terrified of people being able to, you know, and I saw this when I ran for president in 2020. We're seeing it again in different ways in 2024 where they want to control what information you get about certain candidates, what information you're not allowed to see, who is being pushed forward and who is not.

02:30:15.000 We're good to go.

02:30:39.000 And they feel justified in what they're doing, that they are the righteous ones, that they are standing up for America and standing up for democracy, so much so that they are willing to destroy our democracy to save it in their minds, which is a dangerous, dangerous mindset that we could see in foreign dictators in different parts of the world and throughout history.

02:31:01.000 It really is.

02:31:02.000 And it's astonishing how few people are willing to accept that it still takes place today.

02:31:07.000 Right.

02:31:07.000 They almost have this thought that those things have been sorted out and that, you know, that was the case in the past.

02:31:13.000 And even though history is filled with it and there's actually no instances of it not taking place.

02:31:19.000 Right. 0.98

02:31:20.000 But now, don't be silly. 0.99

02:31:23.000 Now we've got it. 0.98

02:31:25.000 I had Jan Werner on here from Rolling Stone.

02:31:29.000 Jan Werner.

02:31:30.000 He was trying to tell me that the government should regulate the internet.

02:31:34.000 I'm like, government?

02:31:35.000 The same people that lied about weapons of mass destruction, those people?

02:31:39.000 Exactly.

02:31:39.000 No, no, not those ones.

02:31:43.000 Everybody wants daddy.

02:31:45.000 Right.

02:31:45.000 They want daddy to come along.

02:31:46.000 No one is gonna save you.

02:31:49.000 No, exactly.

02:31:50.000 No one's gonna save you.

02:31:50.000 That's it.

02:31:51.000 People in Maui know that.

02:31:52.000 They know that now.

02:31:54.000 Yes.

02:31:54.000 And no one's gonna save you.

02:31:55.000 Yes. 0.99

02:31:56.000 And we have to be aware of how fucking crooked this system is. 0.99

02:31:59.000 Yes. 0.98

02:31:59.000 And I don't know how we're gonna get out of it. 0.98

02:32:02.000 I don't.

02:32:03.000 I don't.

02:32:05.000 You have the courage to talk about it, and so few people do.

02:32:11.000 It's a strange time to be alive.

02:32:14.000 It's wonderful in a lot of ways, it's amazing in a lot of ways, but it's also treacherous.

02:32:19.000 There's a lot going on right now.

02:32:21.000 It really makes you wonder. 0.99

02:32:22.000 There's so much fucking subterfuge and shenanigans. 0.99

02:32:27.000 And so much money being funneled around and moved around. 0.99

02:32:30.000 It's just like, whew!

02:32:32.000 I think that's where there is, you know, there is a silver lining in what we have been through through COVID and through everything that's happened since.

02:32:41.000 I think more and more people are waking up.

02:32:46.000 Yeah.

02:33:08.000 It's what I focused on in my book, For Love of Country.

02:33:14.000 The truth about what is happening in our country, the experiences that I had in the Democratic Party that caused me to leave the party.

02:33:24.000 And understanding that in this situation, and there's a lot to be fixed across both parties and the government, but in my experience and in the situation we are in right now with the Biden-Harris administration, they cannot be allowed to remain in power.

02:33:39.000 We can agree or disagree on different issues and it's good and we should and we should have those conversations.

02:33:44.000 But when you look at the unprecedented abuse of power, That they are engaging in, undermining their rule of law, politicizing our government entities, targeting Americans, targeting Americans who happen to be their political opposition, whether it's Donald Trump or the mom who's protesting at a Board of Education meeting to have a say in what kind of education her child is getting.

02:34:09.000 This is happening across the country.

02:34:11.000 And if we, the American people, don't do something about this and stop them and hold them accountable, What happens in these elections?

02:34:20.000 If they're allowed to remain in power, they will tell us, hey, you gave us a mandate.

02:34:26.000 You said, hey, good job, thumbs up, keep at it, and we'll see everything that's happened just continue to escalate to a point where I have no doubt that our freedoms will be eroded to a point where it'll be virtually impossible to get them back.

02:34:40.000 And where do we go from there?

02:34:42.000 America no longer becomes the land of the free and the home of the brave.

02:34:46.000 It becomes the land of people who are controlled by the government and forced to comply or else.

02:34:54.000 And if you dare to have the courage to speak up and speak the truth or say, hey, look, guys, the emperor has no clothes on.

02:35:00.000 Boys are boys and girls are girls, and that's just how it is, then you will experience the retaliation or the consequences of that action.

02:35:12.000 Well said.

02:35:13.000 Thank you, Tulsi.

02:35:15.000 Show your book, For Love of Country.

02:35:18.000 It's out now.

02:35:18.000 Did you do the audio?

02:35:20.000 I did.

02:35:20.000 I recorded the audio.

02:35:21.000 Excellent.

02:35:22.000 There's a little line on the top of the cover there you might recognize.

02:35:26.000 Oh, it's me.

02:35:27.000 I appreciate your words, your friendship, your support, and your being such an incredible stalwart voice of truth and providing a platform for real discussion.

02:35:46.000 We're good to go.

02:36:03.000 So I went and I was invited to speak at this Passover event a couple of days ago.

02:36:09.000 But the guy who picked me up at the airport, his name is Avi, works in New York.

02:36:14.000 Their family hosted me.

02:36:17.000 And he's like, oh, where are you going next?

02:36:19.000 I said, oh, I'm going to go to Austin.

02:36:20.000 I'm going to see Joe Rogan.

02:36:21.000 He's like, oh.

02:36:23.000 He's like, I'm kind of pissed off about how popular he's gotten, because I was one of the OGs from the very beginning.

02:36:29.000 He's like, I know the roots of the Joe Rogan experience.

02:36:34.000 Anyway, you got a lot of fans, but he was particularly owning the fact that...

02:36:40.000 He knew Joe Rogan before Joe Rogan was, you know, the Joe Rogan experience.

02:36:45.000 Isn't it funny that people get upset when things get popular and other people find out of something?

02:36:50.000 It's so weird.

02:36:51.000 But people do that with bands all the time.

02:36:54.000 Because it's like your thing.

02:36:57.000 They went mainstream.

02:36:59.000 Now everybody likes them.

02:37:00.000 It's like everybody likes the thing I like. 0.99

02:37:02.000 It sucks now. 0.66

02:37:04.000 That's the beauty, though, of what you've done. 0.98

02:37:06.000 You've been you the whole time.

02:37:07.000 And there's no like, oh, Joe Rogan's gone mainstream and he's different or whatever.

02:37:12.000 It's like, you're you.

02:37:13.000 And I think that's what people are attracted to is just, you know, you are who you are.

02:37:18.000 I think that's what people are attracted to with you as well.

02:37:20.000 And I'm very happy you're out there.

02:37:22.000 And I'm very happy that you created this book.

02:37:25.000 I'm really happy that you did the audio of it.

02:37:26.000 Yeah.

02:37:27.000 Because I don't really read it anymore.

02:37:29.000 You know, before I recorded it, I do more audio books as well than I do...

02:37:34.000 I read every now and then, but most of the time I'm actually, like if I'm on a plane sometimes I read, but most of the time I'm sitting there listening to stuff in the sauna or listening to something when I'm driving.

02:37:45.000 For me it's a use of time.

02:37:47.000 Exactly.

02:37:47.000 It's much more efficient.

02:37:49.000 Exactly.

02:37:51.000 It was...

02:37:54.000 I poured my heart into writing this book, and I care very much about the issues that we're talking about, and I care very much about our country.

02:38:02.000 And so in some parts of the audiobook, it was emotional, talking about some of the experiences that I've had.

02:38:11.000 While I was deployed and really, truly conveying what's at stake and the responsibility.

02:38:20.000 And so I go through a lot of the problems.

02:38:23.000 It's important, obviously, to talk about the solutions and the call to action for every one of us as Americans.

02:38:30.000 I don't care what your party affiliation is.

02:38:32.000 That's not the point here.

02:38:35.000 I'm urging people to leave this Democrat Party behind because they are abusing their power and undermining our Constitution.

02:38:43.000 Just as our founding fathers did when they created these founding documents, they disagreed heavily on a lot of different things.

02:38:51.000 They had fierce arguments and debates, but they came together around the most fundamental principles of our country that are centered around freedom.

02:38:59.000 Our ability to live in peace and pursue prosperity, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

02:39:05.000 Now is the time that we have to come together as Americans around those foundational principles and get our country back on track.

02:39:14.000 That is the most important task before us as Americans.

02:39:17.000 Otherwise, it'll be too late.

02:39:19.000 Hear, hear.

02:39:20.000 Thank you, Tulsi.

02:39:20.000 Thank you for being here.

02:39:21.000 I appreciate you.

02:39:22.000 Great to see you.

02:39:23.000 Alright.

02:39:24.000 Depressing.

02:39:25.000 Goodbye everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - May 01, 2024

Joe Rogan Experience #2143 - Tulsi Gabbard

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