The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2147 - Mike Baker

00:00:12.000 Mike Baker, it's very important that I ask you about this.

00:00:14.000 What's that?

00:00:15.000 Because I know you're an expert on conflict.

00:00:18.000 How do you feel about the Kendrick Lamar and Drake beef?

00:00:22.000 Man, I am so glad you asked me about this.

00:00:24.000 Because my boys, you know, I got three boys, and all three of them have mentioned this in the past few days, right?

00:00:30.000 And they want to talk about it, right?

00:00:33.000 So Scooter will say, God, did you hear what he said?

00:00:35.000 And I was like, honestly, no, I haven't.

00:00:38.000 But they've all brought this up.

00:00:41.000 I am completely unfamiliar with the, although it sounds like the old days, East versus West, right?

00:00:46.000 In the old rap battle.

00:00:47.000 I think it's a personality thing, because one of them is Toronto, so it's actually America versus Canada.

00:00:53.000 Oh, well, that's right.

00:00:55.000 There's a real conflict there.

00:00:55.000 And which one is the little guy?

00:00:57.000 Kendrick Lamar.

00:00:58.000 Kendrick Lamar, that's right.

00:01:00.000 That's what my middle boy Sluggo said.

00:01:02.000 I think he's like five foot one or something.

00:01:04.000 He's not a big fella.

00:01:05.000 Him and Drake have been going at it now four songs apiece.

00:01:10.000 So, eight songs dedicated to beef.

00:01:12.000 I think that's fantastic.

00:01:14.000 I think we need more of that, right?

00:01:15.000 It's better than the Hamas conflict. 0.99

00:01:17.000 Security guard injured and shooting outside Drake's home in Toronto.

00:01:20.000 Oh, Jesus Christ. 0.99

00:01:22.000 God damn it. 0.99

00:01:23.000 Was it drive-by? 0.99

00:01:24.000 Yeah, and the security guard was outside.

00:01:25.000 Said he was shot, I think, unconsciously taken to the hospital.

00:01:29.000 Oh, my God.

00:01:30.000 Don't think he died.

00:01:31.000 See, it was...

00:01:31.000 Do not know whether the shooting was related.

00:01:33.000 Well, take a fucking guess. 0.99

00:01:35.000 You think it was or wasn't? 1.00

00:01:37.000 What do you think?

00:01:37.000 A drive-by might be related?

00:01:39.000 Well, that's when shit gets scary, when people start shooting at each other. 0.99

00:01:42.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:01:42.000 No, when it was just... 0.99

00:01:44.000 Because I think it was Slugger who told me that one of them...

00:01:47.000 I think it must have been Drake who was talking about his...

00:01:50.000 He dissed him by talking about his size 7 feet or something, right?

00:01:53.000 And that's fine.

00:01:54.000 I think it's great.

00:01:55.000 If everybody would just like...

00:01:56.000 If the Israelis and Hamas would go after each other in song... 0.90

00:01:59.000 Battle rap.

00:02:00.000 Yeah, battle raps.

00:02:01.000 Yeah, why not?

00:02:02.000 Yeah, dance-off.

00:02:02.000 That's how they should do it.

00:02:03.000 Yeah.

00:02:05.000 It's hilarious, but everybody's invested in this beef.

00:02:08.000 My oldest daughter and my wife were in the car this morning, and they were having a conversation.

00:02:13.000 These two grown-ass women having a conversation about who's the superior rapper. 1.00

00:02:18.000 And it felt that Kendrick is a better lyricist, although Drake has more hits. 0.80

00:02:23.000 Drake has more hits.

00:02:24.000 Started from the bottom, now we're here.

00:02:26.000 I mean, look, he's got some bangers.

00:02:27.000 They both have bangers.

00:02:28.000 I love Kendrick Lamar.

00:02:29.000 I just wish these two would hug it out.

00:02:32.000 Yeah, well, now it's moved on to the firefight stage of the battle.

00:02:36.000 Yeah, well, now they're shooting.

00:02:37.000 What did you say, Jamie?

00:02:38.000 Kendrick's first big point was that it's 20 versus 1 because Drake has all those ghost riders helping to make all these hits.

00:02:45.000 So that's an allegation in the rap community, apparently, that Drake hires ghost riders.

00:02:50.000 I don't know how I feel about that.

00:02:51.000 So I feel like the same way I feel like if I find out there's a banging song, like Beyonce has a song out.

00:02:58.000 I don't get upset if she didn't write it.

00:02:59.000 Do you get upset?

00:03:00.000 It's mostly only in rap that people are like, you didn't write that.

00:03:03.000 Like comedy.

00:03:04.000 Like comedy.

00:03:05.000 Like the same thing with comedy.

00:03:06.000 Country song, they don't care.

00:03:07.000 Country, they do care.

00:03:09.000 Not really. 1.00

00:03:09.000 I was going to say, guys like Zach Bryan shine through because they write their own shit. 1.00

00:03:15.000 But it's very collaborative. 0.99

00:03:16.000 The country is hugely collaborative.

00:03:18.000 Sure.

00:03:19.000 Tennessee Whiskey, right?

00:03:20.000 Tennessee Whiskey was a song.

00:03:21.000 Oh, Chris Stapleton.

00:03:22.000 Yeah, but he didn't write it and it came out.

00:03:25.000 I thought he did write it.

00:03:25.000 No, it came out.

00:03:26.000 I think he performed it and someone else wrote it.

00:03:28.000 It came out years before.

00:03:29.000 He wrote a lot for other people though, correct?

00:03:31.000 Yeah.

00:03:31.000 But yeah, I don't even think, there's tons of songs like that.

00:03:33.000 They write for each other.

00:03:34.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:03:35.000 Yeah, there's a lot of those guys that, like, Chris Stapleton made a living for a long time as a writer.

00:03:40.000 Yeah.

00:03:40.000 Because people looked at him like, come on, man, you ain't sexy.

00:03:43.000 Meanwhile, they were wrong.

00:03:45.000 And it's a very, it's a smaller community, right?

00:03:48.000 You know, the country music community, and it does tend to get more crossover between musicians and writers, right?

00:03:55.000 I mean, a lot of them will start out, like you said, as writers.

00:03:57.000 There you go.

00:03:58.000 Tennessee whiskey, a country song, written by Dean Dillon and Linda Hargrove, who was originally recorded by artist David Allen Coe for his album, The Same Name, peaking at number 77 in the Billboard Hot Country singles in 1981. Wow!

00:04:10.000 George Jones, 1983 version of the song, was included on his album Shine On and reached number two on the Hot Country Singles chart.

00:04:18.000 What great artist, George Jones.

00:04:19.000 Did you hear that Randy Travis is using AI now to make new songs because he was paralyzed by a stroke, but because they could take his voice, which is an iconic voice, Randy Travis has it.

00:04:34.000 Incredible voice.

00:04:35.000 But because of AI, they can get recordings of him singing, and he could plug it into AI, and he can still make songs.

00:04:43.000 And you know how much of a recording they need nowadays to actually mimic the entire range of a person's voice?

00:04:49.000 It's 30 seconds.

00:04:49.000 Less than that now.

00:04:51.000 Not that long ago it was 30 seconds.

00:04:53.000 Now you need a snippet, and by a snippet I mean seconds.

00:04:56.000 And you can then mimic that voice through a range of emotions and scenarios.

00:05:04.000 It's stunning what they can do.

00:05:06.000 There was a guy who just got fired because he made a fake AI recording of a guy he worked for saying a bunch of racist things.

00:05:18.000 And the guy, like, everybody was attacking him and got in trouble, and then they somehow or another did an analysis on it.

00:05:24.000 The direct director did it to, like, the principal of the high school.

00:05:27.000 Right.

00:05:28.000 He's about to get fired, so he's like, instead of me getting fired, watch this.

00:05:31.000 Right.

00:05:31.000 He thought he was being slick.

00:05:32.000 Yeah. 0.93

00:05:33.000 But he's a dummy, and he didn't know that they can tell.

00:05:35.000 They can analyze audio recordings and tell whether or not they're real.

00:05:39.000 How do they do that?

00:05:40.000 How can they tell?

00:05:41.000 Well, that one specifically, I think someone else was, like, it was a conversation between two people, and they both were like, I didn't hear that, and I didn't say that.

00:05:49.000 So they were like, all right, well, what could have happened?

00:05:52.000 I think they got the guy's computer to find out what he did.

00:05:55.000 So he must have had a secret recording, and then in that secret recording, he took it and then threw it through AI and had him say a bunch of N-words in there.

00:06:03.000 Yeah.

00:06:04.000 There's two aspects to this whole thing, right?

00:06:06.000 There's the detection portion of it, right?

00:06:08.000 Can you detect something like this as fake?

00:06:11.000 Whether it's audio, whether it's video, a combination of both.

00:06:14.000 And then there's the other side of it, which is trying to stay up with the capabilities of those that are trying to do these identity thefts or whatever you want to call it.

00:06:24.000 And that's sort of the proactive effort to lock down recordings, right?

00:06:31.000 And there's some interesting work being done in that space where if you film something, say you go to a campaign rally and you film that campaign rally, there are a handful of companies out there figuring out that you can essentially watermark it.

00:06:46.000 Right? 0.96

00:06:46.000 So that it cannot be fucked with, right? 0.96

00:06:48.000 And that you can determine if it's an actual recording or not. 0.97

00:06:52.000 And that's really, I mean, you think about, you know, how much disinformation is roiling around out there now.

00:06:56.000 Yeah.

00:06:57.000 Right?

00:06:57.000 So, but detection, it's important, but it's not enough anymore.

00:07:00.000 So where the focus has to be is on ensuring that anything that's being recorded, whether it's a body cam for a police officer, whether it's maybe someone's at a protest, right?

00:07:10.000 And they're a protester or they're on the other side, whatever.

00:07:13.000 To be able to film something and then ensure that it's accurate and true going forward, right?

00:07:20.000 And that's a really important part because you can't, the detection side of it's important, but it can't stay up with the developments of all the folks out there, all the criminal gangs, criminal elements, and whether it's state-sponsored or not that's out there, you know, with this disinformation effort.

00:07:35.000 It's a fascinating problem.

00:07:38.000 People are getting duped constantly.

00:07:40.000 It's a fascinating problem that is only going to get worse.

00:07:42.000 As these new versions of AI get rolled out, it's going to be more and more difficult to detect what's true and what's fake.

00:07:49.000 And people can do it on their computer so easy now. 0.98

00:07:54.000 This one of Biden, he's walking, and he pauses to talk to people, and they CGI'd shit like that he's pooping himself. 0.99

00:08:04.000 I saw that. 0.98

00:08:05.000 The one where he kind of stops, and he's into that weird pause.

00:08:08.000 He's got a fart, and he's just seeing him poop himself.

00:08:11.000 And people are out there saying, look, that's a mid-stage dementia stance, right?

00:08:16.000 That's what they're saying now.

00:08:17.000 They're talking about that.

00:08:18.000 I don't know about that, but...

00:08:21.000 Well, something's going on.

00:08:23.000 There are if you talk about Just what do they call a face swap, right?

00:08:28.000 So they can take a photo of somebody now they can take a little snippet of somebody talking now and There are over a hundred apps out there readily available to anybody right that can Basically do this FAPES face swap technology and put somebody else in there and the criminal elements are doing it all the time Yeah,

00:08:50.000 so if I'm a fraudster And I send a note, say, to somebody in procurement.

00:08:58.000 I say, hey, you need to send a check for $100,000 to our vendor, right?

00:09:02.000 Here's the details.

00:09:03.000 Well, they might have protocols in place at the company.

00:09:05.000 He says, okay, well, first, this is a large transaction.

00:09:07.000 I better call the finance director, right, or whomever.

00:09:11.000 They've got a way that they can figure out how to spoof all of that, right?

00:09:14.000 So you could be talking to whom you think is the finance director, but they'll actually, with the face swap technology that's available out there, right?

00:09:21.000 It's somebody having a conversation.

00:09:23.000 You think it's the finance director, but they're talking to you and- Completely different person, their voice gets changed, their face gets changed, they look exactly like you, so I could use face swap technology that exists today, and with all the recordings that we have of you from this show, 0.99

00:09:39.000 100%, we could have you saying a bunch of shit that you never really said. 0.97

00:09:44.000 And some shit that I probably did say over the years. 1.00

00:09:47.000 We've said a lot of shit. 1.00

00:09:48.000 Yeah, there's some shit. 1.00

00:09:50.000 Let me ask you this. 0.99

00:09:51.000 When they're doing all this face swap technology and all this different stuff, What what can be done to try to keep ahead of it to make sure like from a national security perspective like how do you?

00:10:08.000 Yeah, how do you keep?

00:10:10.000 How do you know right?

00:10:13.000 Yeah, there's a couple parts to that one Netanyahu all of a sudden has some crazy speech right and says some wild shit and like we're going to war like hey Yeah, is that real well what they I mean again part of it is like this there's a handful of companies out there and They're able to,

00:10:32.000 again, record, and instantly as it does it, it embeds information, right?

00:10:38.000 It embeds specific time, location, you know, your coordinates.

00:10:42.000 And it'll all be in the recording.

00:10:43.000 And it's in there, right?

00:10:44.000 And then it's sort of a blockchain system where then on the other side, the person can look and go, yeah, this is accurate.

00:10:50.000 This is correct, right?

00:10:52.000 But people have to be able to take that, and that's, I guess, where I'm going with this.

00:10:55.000 People have to be able to To take that step, to ensure that what they're watching is accurate.

00:11:02.000 So, when people say, well, how do you prevent this?

00:11:04.000 How do you keep this from happening?

00:11:06.000 The unsatisfactory answer, to a large degree, is it comes down to individual people, right?

00:11:12.000 Everybody has a big fucking responsibility now, more so than before, to understand what they're looking at, listening to, watching, right? 0.99

00:11:22.000 Well, we're fucked. 1.00

00:11:22.000 We're fucked. 1.00

00:11:23.000 Now we're really fucked. 1.00

00:11:25.000 I don't want to sound cynical. 0.99

00:11:26.000 Because there's just too many people that are concerned about Drake and Kendrick Lamar and don't even know what's going on in Gaza.

00:11:31.000 They're much more concerned with that.

00:11:33.000 We have a lot of 84 IQers out there bouncing around, walking into traffic. 1.00

00:11:38.000 Yeah, 84, what, is that average nowadays?

00:11:40.000 Or is that, I don't even know.

00:11:41.000 I think it's 15% of the population is 84 and below, right?

00:11:45.000 Is that what it is?

00:11:47.000 15%?

00:11:48.000 That would also mean 15% is whatever, 100 plus and above.

00:11:51.000 What's the actual numbers?

00:11:52.000 Let's get a pie chart of IQs.

00:11:56.000 It's a standard deviation thing for...

00:11:59.000 See, already I know that you're above 84, just because you said that.

00:12:02.000 Yeah, you said standard deviation.

00:12:04.000 Wow.

00:12:05.000 And he Googles with one hand.

00:12:07.000 That's because Carl's being petted.

00:12:09.000 Almost no matter what thing you're trying to average out, they almost always end up looking this way, and 15% will always be on that side of it.

00:12:16.000 What percentage?

00:12:17.000 0.1% are 55 and below? 1.00

00:12:20.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:12:21.000 2% of the population is 70. Jesus. 1.00

00:12:24.000 Between 55 and 70, 2% of the population.

00:12:27.000 And then 14% of the population is 85. Yeah, but 34% is below 100. So most people are between 85 and 115, and me, I'm in that sweet zone.

00:12:39.000 Between 115 and 130. Oh, yeah.

00:12:42.000 Really?

00:12:43.000 That's impressive.

00:12:44.000 I suspect I'm to the left of that somewhere.

00:12:48.000 Yeah.

00:12:49.000 I've never taken an IQ test.

00:12:50.000 I took one at 2 o'clock in the morning, and I wasn't even awake. 0.98

00:12:54.000 I wanted to see, and I said, I should probably take some Alpha Brain, take this bitch again, and get fired up. 1.00

00:12:58.000 But I didn't. 0.98

00:12:59.000 I'm happy with my score.

00:13:00.000 Yeah.

00:13:01.000 Yeah.

00:13:04.000 I just wanted to know I wasn't really stupid. 0.57

00:13:08.000 Okay, that's interesting.

00:13:10.000 So, you know, a lot of people hanging out in the 85 to 115. I don't think...

00:13:14.000 The real issue with all this stuff, though, is emotional intelligence and social intelligence.

00:13:19.000 And there's people that are very brilliant people that I know that suck at those other things, and that's held them back in life.

00:13:26.000 So are you smart? 0.99

00:13:27.000 Are you really smart if your emotional intelligence sucks so hard? 0.99

00:13:31.000 Your ability to read social cues, your ability to form meaningful friendships sucks so hard that you're isolated and nobody likes to be around you, but you have a high IQ. So I'm supposed to think that's good? 0.99

00:13:45.000 That seems dumb. 0.97

00:13:46.000 I mean, it works for some people, I suppose. 0.99

00:13:47.000 It doesn't, though.

00:13:48.000 That's a recipe for an unhappy life. 1.00

00:13:51.000 That's stupid. 1.00

00:13:51.000 Yeah, well, I mean, you never know. 1.00

00:13:52.000 You get somebody who, you know, they're a brilliant scientist, and they just have very little social life.

00:13:59.000 Maybe they're happy in the science lab.

00:14:01.000 I don't know.

00:14:02.000 That's true.

00:14:03.000 But I agree.

00:14:04.000 Empathy is, I mean, we try to work with our kids all the time on that, right?

00:14:08.000 I mean, you want a well-rounded kid.

00:14:10.000 Our job is to raise not average children, but you want them to be well-rounded.

00:14:14.000 And empathy, being able to read social cues, read a room, that is super important.

00:14:21.000 My kids are all very kind, and I love that.

00:14:24.000 It makes me very, very happy.

00:14:26.000 They're very kind.

00:14:27.000 They're kind to people.

00:14:29.000 They're kind to their friends.

00:14:30.000 They're kind to people.

00:14:31.000 They feel bad when someone's not doing well.

00:14:34.000 They're kind.

00:14:35.000 That means a lot.

00:14:36.000 I'm very happy they got that from us.

00:14:39.000 Did they get that from you?

00:14:41.000 Probably more from Mrs. Rogan.

00:14:43.000 I'm nice, though.

00:14:44.000 And I work real hard at it, too, because I don't have instincts to be nice.

00:14:48.000 My instincts are not to be very nice.

00:14:50.000 My instincts are survival of the fittest.

00:14:53.000 It's very hard to put that aside and just be kind sometimes.

00:14:56.000 But it always feels better when I do.

00:14:59.000 It is.

00:14:59.000 You know what?

00:15:00.000 And that's how kids learn to do it, right?

00:15:03.000 I mean, people always ask with parenting, Kids are watching from the time they're nuggets, right? 0.99

00:15:10.000 And they absorb shit, and if you want your kid to be empathetic, you've got to demonstrate that. 0.97

00:15:15.000 You've got to demonstrate kindness. 1.00

00:15:16.000 You've got to demonstrate consideration.

00:15:19.000 My daughter's great at it. 0.99

00:15:20.000 My daughter is very good, and our boys are boys.

00:15:24.000 They're aggressive and competitive and all that.

00:15:27.000 But I think ours probably follow the traditional sort of multi-kid path, right?

00:15:33.000 So like the oldest boy, Is empathetic, right?

00:15:36.000 And kind and considerate.

00:15:38.000 Youngest boy is probably a savage. 1.00

00:15:40.000 Youngest boy, he's like the fucking mayor of party town. 1.00

00:15:44.000 That's what I'm saying. 1.00

00:15:44.000 Because he's got to deal with the older brothers. 1.00

00:15:46.000 He had to grow up quicker.

00:15:48.000 Yeah.

00:15:48.000 And the middle boy, he's usually better at things, too.

00:15:52.000 Yeah, actually, you know what?

00:15:54.000 He's, as my wife says, who's the greatest person I know, she calls him the sleeper, right? 0.99

00:15:59.000 Because he kind of comes in on the radar.

00:16:00.000 You don't expect him to be great at something, and then he is, right?

00:16:03.000 Because he's been watching, and he's pissed off, and he wants to be better than his brothers, right? 1.00

00:16:08.000 And then the middle boy is just like, he's just like, fuck you, get out of my way. 0.99

00:16:12.000 You know, he's the basketball player. 1.00

00:16:14.000 He's...

00:16:14.000 He's in his own way.

00:16:15.000 He's into his own thing.

00:16:16.000 And he's a great kid, but he's just like, this is what I'm going to do.

00:16:20.000 I don't know what you're doing or what you're doing, but here's me.

00:16:23.000 He's got to focus.

00:16:24.000 That's because there's a lot of people around who realize you can't concentrate on other people being happy.

00:16:27.000 Got to do what he wants to be.

00:16:29.000 That's right.

00:16:31.000 Interesting dynamic, right?

00:16:33.000 It is.

00:16:34.000 And you think about it, and you think about they all grow up, and people talk about this all the time, so it's nothing new, but, you know, kids grow up in the same environment, right?

00:16:41.000 And then they end up being so uniquely different in ways.

00:16:44.000 So different.

00:16:44.000 They're different out of the box.

00:16:46.000 And boy, genetics plays a factor.

00:16:49.000 My God plays a factor.

00:16:51.000 And you realize that when you see your kids grow up and you see traits that, like, there is no fucking way this is getting to you any way other than genetics.

00:16:59.000 There's no way.

00:17:00.000 Yeah.

00:17:00.000 Because, I mean, at a certain point, yeah, they start to take some influence from their friends.

00:17:04.000 Oh, yeah.

00:17:05.000 But by then, hopefully, you've kind of already set their, whatever, their moral compass, right?

00:17:10.000 And they know what they're supposed to do.

00:17:13.000 Maybe they stray off that path occasionally, right?

00:17:16.000 But for the most part, no.

00:17:18.000 I think you've got to set...

00:17:23.000 The parameters, you've got to set the course.

00:17:25.000 Little kids want to know what the hell is expected of them.

00:17:27.000 I'll tell you one thing. 0.99

00:17:28.000 Reports from the front lines of kids in high school today, that woke shit's out the window. 1.00

00:17:33.000 That word retard comes flying in these kids' mouths. 0.99

00:17:37.000 They're bringing that back strong. 0.85

00:17:40.000 They are bringing that back strong.

00:17:42.000 I'll tell you, that woke thing, it got into college, and then the high school kids, the ones coming up now, they are rejecting it.

00:17:49.000 I 100% agree with you, and I know that because Our youngest Muggsy is like what 12 years old now and So he's in seventh grade and he it was in the complete blast zone of woke, right?

00:18:03.000 Because and and like the oldest one who's you know 16 He kind of had some of it the middle one again didn't care. 0.99

00:18:08.000 He was like, you know fuck you you don't play ball, so I'm not paying attention to you and But the youngest one was in a complete firing, you know fire zone of this this is this wool culture and And you'll never meet a more conservative, sexist kid in your life. 0.99

00:18:24.000 Because he's just like... 1.00

00:18:26.000 He'll come back and he'll tell us some stories from his school, which is a great school, but it's pretty woke.

00:18:31.000 It's pretty liberal, right?

00:18:33.000 You got kids walking around as furries.

00:18:35.000 You got a lot of multicolored hair.

00:18:37.000 You got all sorts of things going on there.

00:18:39.000 And he'll come back and tell us stories.

00:18:41.000 And he's just like, I just don't understand what the hell's happened.

00:18:44.000 Because he works harder to sport.

00:18:45.000 Yeah.

00:18:46.000 That's what you get from a lot of people that work hard at sports.

00:18:48.000 People that value hard work.

00:18:49.000 People that value hard work tend to be more conservative.

00:18:52.000 And more or less inclined to indulge people on their mental illness.

00:18:57.000 You know, oh, you're a cat? 0.61

00:18:58.000 No, you're not.

00:18:59.000 You have cat ears on.

00:19:00.000 They don't even look like a cat.

00:19:02.000 You don't even have a good costume on.

00:19:04.000 Like, you're not tricking people in the dark.

00:19:06.000 Yeah.

00:19:06.000 Okay?

00:19:07.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:19:08.000 You're not a cat. 1.00

00:19:09.000 You're just 12 and really confused and I get it.

00:19:13.000 He came home one day and he said some girl turned around, dressed as a cat, and kicked him because she thought he had pulled her tail.

00:19:23.000 And then apparently she hissed at him and walked away. 1.00

00:19:25.000 And he was like, I didn't fucking pull her down. 0.98

00:19:28.000 I don't want anything to do with her. 0.99

00:19:30.000 She hissed at him. 0.98

00:19:32.000 Jesus Christ, this is so indulgent.

00:19:34.000 That's so crazy.

00:19:35.000 You know what's interesting is like, Tucker Carlson had a very good point when he talked about the difference between different dysphoria's.

00:19:43.000 Like body dysphoria for like anorexia versus gender dysphoria.

00:19:47.000 And he said when a child has body dysphoria and they think they're fat, you don't tell them, oh yeah, you are fat.

00:19:53.000 No, you help them.

00:19:54.000 You say, no, you're not fat. 1.00

00:19:55.000 This is just a mental disorder. 0.99

00:19:57.000 But when someone says, I'm a boy, You say, oh, you are a boy. 0.91

00:20:01.000 Yeah.

00:20:01.000 You don't say, oh, sweetie, your name is Dorothy.

00:20:05.000 Yeah.

00:20:05.000 Shall we go shopping for dresses?

00:20:08.000 Dorothy.

00:20:08.000 Why did I come up with Dorothy?

00:20:09.000 Dorothy.

00:20:09.000 Are people still naming their kid Dorothy?

00:20:10.000 I don't think.

00:20:11.000 I hope they are.

00:20:11.000 No.

00:20:12.000 Bring it back.

00:20:12.000 It's a beautiful name.

00:20:13.000 I think Dorothy, Carol.

00:20:14.000 Nobody names their kids Carol.

00:20:15.000 It's a beautiful name.

00:20:16.000 Those are beautiful names.

00:20:17.000 Dot.

00:20:17.000 There's nothing wrong with Dorothy.

00:20:18.000 That was the nickname for Dorothy. 0.99

00:20:20.000 It was Dot.

00:20:20.000 I know that because I know a Dorothy.

00:20:22.000 That's right.

00:20:22.000 She goes by Dot.

00:20:23.000 That's right.

00:20:24.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:20:24.000 People are like, what the fuck are they talking about? 0.99

00:20:27.000 How bizarre. 0.99

00:20:27.000 Dot. 0.99

00:20:27.000 God. 0.99

00:20:28.000 How bizarre.

00:20:29.000 Yeah.

00:20:29.000 That's a weird one.

00:20:31.000 But you're right.

00:20:32.000 It's the indulgence.

00:20:33.000 And again, look, everybody, fine.

00:20:35.000 Do what you want to do.

00:20:36.000 I don't need to go along with it.

00:20:38.000 I don't need to celebrate it.

00:20:40.000 I don't need to...

00:20:41.000 But that's what's expected.

00:20:43.000 It went past, like, maybe I'm a little bit different.

00:20:45.000 I'm going to go through a phase in life. 0.96

00:20:47.000 Now it's like, I'm going through a phase, and you better fucking well accept it. 0.80

00:20:51.000 Celebrate it. 0.59

00:20:51.000 There's like a value, a social value to having anxiety. 0.59

00:20:56.000 There's a social value to what you would call childhood trauma, you know, or social value to like everybody has PTSD from like...

00:21:05.000 It could be from like high school.

00:21:07.000 It could be like from minor stuff, but it's looked at as, oh, we have to be...

00:21:12.000 We have to be considerate of someone's past.

00:21:15.000 Everybody's got trauma.

00:21:17.000 That's a part of life. 0.99

00:21:18.000 But the answer is not to overindulge every single aspect of everyone's ideas so that you do let a kid wear a fucking tail and ears and run around the high school and be a freak. 0.98

00:21:33.000 Because that's not good either. 0.98

00:21:34.000 That's not healthy.

00:21:36.000 This is crazy.

00:21:37.000 It's not healthy and it's confusing for those kids too, right?

00:21:40.000 For everybody.

00:21:41.000 I honestly believe if you address it properly, right, and you deal with it, it's long-term better health for that individual, right?

00:21:49.000 Which is what you want, right?

00:21:50.000 Oh, I never said.

00:21:51.000 Everybody wants that.

00:21:52.000 But we've got...

00:21:54.000 I don't understand it.

00:21:55.000 Once you're a grown adult and you've got your own job and you pay for your own apartment, you want to go to a furry convention, God bless you.

00:22:02.000 God bless you. 0.99

00:22:03.000 I just don't think you should be able to wear a fucking tail in school and hiss at people. 0.99

00:22:07.000 That just seems... 1.00

00:22:08.000 That seems silly.

00:22:09.000 Yeah. 0.58

00:22:10.000 It seems silly.

00:22:10.000 Also, my friend's son goes to a school where you can't wear hats.

00:22:14.000 So you can't wear hats in class, but kids can wear like fucking duck ears or... 0.99

00:22:19.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:22:19.000 Ducks don't have ears. 0.99

00:22:21.000 Like...

00:22:22.000 Don't they?

00:22:23.000 How do they hear?

00:22:24.000 They have...

00:22:24.000 They don't stick out, though.

00:22:26.000 Oh, okay. 1.00

00:22:26.000 I was coming up with a stupid animal. 1.00

00:22:28.000 For some reason, duck. 1.00

00:22:30.000 That's how you know I'm not invested in this idea.

00:22:32.000 I think a duck without ears would be a good-looking duck. 1.00

00:22:35.000 You get fucking dog ears or cat ears or whatever the fuck you think you are. 1.00

00:22:38.000 A raccoon. 1.00

00:22:38.000 Stop. 1.00

00:22:39.000 Our boys' schools, we can't wear hats either, our boys' schools. 1.00

00:22:41.000 Yeah, they can't wear hats, but they can wear these stupid fucking ears is my point. 1.00

00:22:45.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:22:45.000 Because it's like a headband, I guess. 1.00

00:22:48.000 This time of year is a great time of year.

00:22:50.000 And it's a great time of year because, speaking of hats and everything, is that...

00:22:54.000 This time of year is crew cut, flat top season.

00:22:57.000 So the youngest one, Muggsy, went ahead the other day and got himself a buzz cut.

00:23:02.000 Nice.

00:23:03.000 It's nice.

00:23:04.000 We used to go, all my brothers and I, we knew summer was approaching when my dad would say, okay, there we go.

00:23:10.000 And we had a home clipper kit, right?

00:23:13.000 And there was something great about...

00:23:16.000 That flat top, that crew cut, right?

00:23:18.000 And so, anyway, he's got his crew cut going on, and I suspect he's the only one in this entire school that's got this, and it's a good look for him, right?

00:23:28.000 And it also, you know, again, I think there's so much happening in the school in terms of...

00:23:35.000 The way kids are, what's the word I'm looking for?

00:23:38.000 Coddled.

00:23:40.000 I feel proud about Muggsy because he comes walking into school and there's no mistaking.

00:23:45.000 This kid is not angsty.

00:23:47.000 He's not worried about anything.

00:23:50.000 He's got the crew cut going on. 0.99

00:23:53.000 This is a very unique challenge for these kids to get through this bullshit and come out on the other end. 0.97

00:24:00.000 Understanding that no one's coming to save you, you're responsible for yourself and life, and you gotta get after it. 0.96

00:24:06.000 You gotta actually do something. 0.79

00:24:07.000 If you want a successful, happy life, you have to be engaged in some sort of a pursuit, something that you enjoy, whatever the fuck it is, find it, go for it.

00:24:16.000 Hard work is important. 0.79

00:24:18.000 The world really does operate on a meritocracy except in corrupt situations.

00:24:23.000 But it's also a battlefield, right, for these kids.

00:24:25.000 A minefield is probably a better way to put it.

00:24:27.000 So you've got the kids.

00:24:30.000 You want them to do all those things, right?

00:24:32.000 Play sports.

00:24:33.000 Be involved in hobbies, activities, whatever it is.

00:24:35.000 Stay busy.

00:24:35.000 Focus on your grades.

00:24:36.000 Be balanced.

00:24:37.000 Be nice to people.

00:24:39.000 But they're walking through this minefield.

00:24:42.000 Every day there's a potential for them, right, to upset somebody who's looking to be upset.

00:24:48.000 And I'm talking about 12, 13, 14, 15 year old kids, right, who are looking to be insulted, right?

00:24:54.000 And very quickly, Use the system that's been put in place, which caters to them.

00:25:02.000 And so it is, and my boys have run afoul of that system a couple of times for maybe speaking their mind.

00:25:12.000 Maybe not calling someone a them, addressing someone as a plural. 0.99

00:25:17.000 One of my kids went with a they-them, went to school with a they-them, and this girl wore fucking makeup. 1.00

00:25:23.000 She wore makeup and dresses, but she said she was non-binary, and she would get upset if someone didn't call her a they or a them. 0.96

00:25:29.000 How old at the time?

00:25:30.000 11?

00:25:31.000 12?

00:25:32.000 12?

00:25:32.000 12, I guess.

00:25:33.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:25:34.000 What the fuck, man? 1.00

00:25:37.000 Were you worried about that sort of thing when you were 11 years old? 1.00

00:25:41.000 I didn't even know it was a thing.

00:25:43.000 I don't think I realized it was a thing until I was 50. Yeah.

00:25:47.000 I never heard a non-binary.

00:25:48.000 I mean, I would imagine that there are people that are asexual.

00:25:51.000 They're not interested in physical affection.

00:25:54.000 They're probably on the spectrum.

00:25:56.000 God bless you.

00:25:57.000 But is that what non-binary means?

00:25:59.000 No, but that's like asexual.

00:26:01.000 Asexual, I get. 0.82

00:26:02.000 But when you say you're not a boy or a girl, okay, if you were a puppy... 0.69

00:26:08.000 And I wanted a boy puppy or a girl puppy, which one would you be? 0.72

00:26:12.000 I know you're not a puppy.

00:26:13.000 Yeah.

00:26:14.000 You know, like, this is the thing with the Supreme Court Justice, with Ketanji Brown Jackson, who said she's not a biologist.

00:26:21.000 They asked her, what is a woman? 1.00

00:26:23.000 She said, I'm not a biologist.

00:26:25.000 Right.

00:26:26.000 But you're a woman, so how about take a shot at it?

00:26:29.000 Yeah.

00:26:30.000 Like, if I brought you a puppy, how do you know if it's a boy dog or a girl dog?

00:26:35.000 Can we use that same judgment for humans?

00:26:37.000 Is that possible? 0.93

00:26:38.000 Isn't it true in the majority of cases that a woman has ovaries and a vagina and they can have babies for the most part? 1.00

00:26:45.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:26:46.000 Yeah, for the most part, yeah.

00:26:47.000 Well, just try to watch people, like, just lose their minds, try asking somebody like that, you know, is there a difference between a man and a woman?

00:26:55.000 Imagine asking that to a Supreme Court Justice 20 years ago. 1.00

00:26:57.000 Imagine if Ruth Bader Ginsburg 20 years ago, somebody asked her, she would go, shut the fuck up with these stupid questions. 1.00

00:27:03.000 I'm here on the goddamn Supreme Court to get shit done, okay? 1.00

00:27:08.000 I'm not here to hear, what did you ask me? 1.00

00:27:11.000 What a woman is. 1.00

00:27:12.000 Why don't you ask me what paint is?

00:27:14.000 Now ask me what tires are. 1.00

00:27:16.000 How about a bunch of other shit? 0.99

00:27:17.000 What's a pencil? 1.00

00:27:18.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:27:19.000 What are we doing? 1.00

00:27:20.000 But it's university administrators.

00:27:22.000 It's anybody in a position of leadership who's afraid of getting bullied, right?

00:27:27.000 And so nobody wants to state the obvious.

00:27:29.000 We went through the whole pandemic with one side screaming, believe the science, right?

00:27:34.000 And now they're like, well, no, you know, it depends on the context of whether a man and a woman are different.

00:27:38.000 You're thinking, look, you can, again, do whatever you want to do, but if you're a girl, but you identify as a boy, then you're a girl identifying as a boy, and vice versa, right?

00:27:49.000 That doesn't seem complicated to me.

00:27:51.000 Also, if you want us to trust the science, you've got to make the science trustworthy.

00:27:56.000 You can't leave the science in the hand of corporations that stand a profit if the science reflects one thing or the other.

00:28:03.000 You can't do that.

00:28:04.000 Because they do it.

00:28:05.000 They've done it forever.

00:28:06.000 They've been fined for it.

00:28:07.000 You know they do it.

00:28:08.000 You know it's standard practice.

00:28:10.000 You know that they run multiple tests and multiple studies and they'll throw out the ones that don't show any positive results and they finagle the studies to show some Kind of fugazi, positive thing, and then they'll start prescribing it to people.

00:28:25.000 And they do it for money.

00:28:26.000 You know they do it for money.

00:28:27.000 Everybody knows they do it for money. 0.99

00:28:29.000 So shut the fuck up about this science thing until you can sort the science out. 0.98

00:28:33.000 Unless you have a third party, non-biased, where there's not a revolving door between the government organization and the pharmaceutical drug companies, which we know there is. 0.99

00:28:46.000 And we know that they know there is, so we know that they know where the fucking bread is buttered, and they know how to get things through, and then looky-do! 0.82

00:28:54.000 He works for Moderna now. 0.99

00:28:56.000 Looky-do! 1.00

00:28:56.000 Eli Lilly! 1.00

00:28:57.000 Oh my god, look!

00:28:58.000 Looky-do! 1.00

00:29:00.000 GlaxoSmithKline just hired him.

00:29:01.000 You know, I mean, look, everybody should make money.

00:29:04.000 I'm glad pharmaceutical drug companies exist.

00:29:06.000 They make awesome stuff.

00:29:07.000 Right. 0.98

00:29:08.000 But you've got to be honest, and don't hit me with that trust of science shit if you haven't made the science trustworthy. 0.99

00:29:14.000 Stop! 1.00

00:29:15.000 Yeah, and it also can't be a moving line, right?

00:29:17.000 Either you do or you don't, right?

00:29:19.000 And it can't be based on where you fall politically, right?

00:29:24.000 Which seems to be how it works, right?

00:29:26.000 100%.

00:29:27.000 Whenever it's, yeah.

00:29:29.000 We trust some science, just not chromosomes.

00:29:33.000 Chromosome stuff is fascist.

00:29:34.000 Yeah, it's very subjective.

00:29:36.000 It's very fascist.

00:29:38.000 I wanted to ask you this before I forget.

00:29:39.000 When you were working for the agency, did you guys...

00:29:44.000 I know that there is a program where they use special effects makeup to change someone's appearance.

00:29:50.000 Have you ever seen that in person?

00:29:53.000 Oh, yes.

00:29:54.000 How does it look?

00:29:55.000 Well, it gets better all the time, right?

00:29:59.000 So if I go to a concert, could I sneak into a concert with a rubber nose?

00:30:03.000 Yeah.

00:30:05.000 Get me a nice blonde wig.

00:30:06.000 Yeah, that's what we used to do.

00:30:07.000 We'd hand out rubber noses and googly eyes.

00:30:12.000 Then nobody would see us coming.

00:30:13.000 Like Clark Kent.

00:30:14.000 Yeah.

00:30:15.000 No, we have a disguise unit at the agency, and I'm super proud of them.

00:30:21.000 Was the benefit of their expertise on numerous occasions, because you might guess, I mean, I'd spent almost all my time with the agency overseas in operations, and there's some places where I don't blend, right?

00:30:32.000 Crazy!

00:30:33.000 I know!

00:30:34.000 So they blended you just like on Team America World Police?

00:30:36.000 Remember?

00:30:37.000 Yes!

00:30:38.000 What a picture of that guy!

00:30:42.000 Hans Breaks!

00:30:43.000 Hans Breaks!

00:30:44.000 How good is that movie?

00:30:45.000 It's the greatest movie ever.

00:30:46.000 They're the best. 0.98

00:30:48.000 Trey Parker and Matt Stone are the fucking best. 0.99

00:30:50.000 Oh my god. 1.00

00:30:50.000 When they did the puppet sex... 1.00

00:30:51.000 Or Matt Stone and Trey Parker. 0.90

00:30:52.000 Did I switch their names?

00:30:53.000 Yeah. 0.88

00:30:54.000 The puppet sex scene when they thought, okay, a few minutes of this, it's making people uncomfortable. 0.78

00:31:00.000 Let's keep going with it.

00:31:01.000 Well, you know the original is far longer.

00:31:03.000 The original, she poops on his chest or he poops on her chest and she pees on him or he pees on her. 0.82

00:31:09.000 God, they're brilliant.

00:31:10.000 Look at this in disguise. 1.00

00:31:19.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:31:25.000 Come on, Gary. 1.00

00:31:26.000 Act.

00:31:27.000 You have the power. 1.00

00:31:30.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:31:31.000 Dirk Dirk Allah. 1.00

00:31:34.000 Durka Durka, Muhammad Jihad. 0.72

00:31:37.000 Hakka Sherpa Sherpa, Bakala.

00:31:41.000 Man, this takes me back.

00:31:45.000 He's an actor, bro.

00:31:47.000 God, it's so good.

00:31:47.000 He saved them.

00:31:48.000 He saved them being an actor.

00:31:50.000 One of the greatest, yeah.

00:31:51.000 That really takes me back to the operational days, too.

00:31:54.000 Such an amazing movie.

00:31:55.000 Yeah, the disguise unit is fantastic.

00:31:58.000 Okay, so here's the video.

00:31:59.000 Oh, it's John Mendes, yeah.

00:32:01.000 So this is from the disguise unit?

00:32:02.000 Yeah, she was there.

00:32:03.000 She was, you know, senior officer there.

00:32:07.000 Were you ever talking to someone? 1.00

00:32:08.000 You know, I think this motherfucker's wearing a disguise. 0.99

00:32:10.000 No, but I've talked to people wearing disguises. 1.00

00:32:13.000 I've had the full overhead masks.

00:32:15.000 Look how good that is with sunglasses on.

00:32:17.000 With sunglasses on, that's crazy.

00:32:19.000 I never did wear the monkey outfit.

00:32:23.000 We didn't do that one.

00:32:24.000 But look how good that looks.

00:32:26.000 Yeah.

00:32:27.000 That's insane.

00:32:28.000 And here's the thing about this.

00:32:29.000 Because what they did was they went to Hollywood and there's been this liaison for years, years and years, between the agency and Hollywood when it comes to special effects, when it comes to makeup.

00:32:40.000 And again, and it's horses for courses.

00:32:41.000 So sometimes you need a light disguise, right?

00:32:43.000 I'm not giving away any secrets.

00:32:44.000 This stuff is all out there.

00:32:46.000 And so, you know, you get a light disguise.

00:32:51.000 It's for a brief, you know, cover for action.

00:32:54.000 You know, there's not, you're not going to be engaged in it.

00:32:56.000 So what would be a light disguise?

00:32:58.000 You know, like a rubber nose.

00:33:01.000 Yeah, it could be like a wig, it could be, you know, facial hair, change of glasses, could be just a change of hair color. 0.97

00:33:10.000 In reality, if you're out on the street, I know I'll probably disappear down a rabbit hole and people will be like, oh, this is fucking boring.

00:33:16.000 But if you're out on the street and you're just, you're in a surveillance exercise, say, right, and you're covering a target.

00:33:22.000 Then all you got to do is you're just talking about switching up your look a little bit.

00:33:27.000 It could be a hat, right?

00:33:27.000 It could be a coat, it could be a backpack, whatever you're doing.

00:33:31.000 So it doesn't have to be much.

00:33:32.000 And then you got the full other side of the spectrum, which could be a full overhead mask, right?

00:33:36.000 Which is, that's a process, right?

00:33:38.000 I mean, it's just like with Hollywood.

00:33:39.000 I mean, there's no difference.

00:33:41.000 And the key is, when you're out on the street and you're in disguise, Nobody is thinking that person's in disguise, right?

00:33:51.000 So it's dependent upon your bearing.

00:33:53.000 I've seen people in disguise who don't pull it off well, right?

00:33:56.000 Because they're worried, like, oh, I'm in disguise.

00:33:59.000 People are thinking I'm in disguise. 0.99

00:34:00.000 Nobody gives a shit. 0.99

00:34:01.000 Everybody's worried about their own little bubble out there. 0.99

00:34:02.000 So it's your body movements and your body language.

00:34:05.000 Right.

00:34:06.000 It's your bearing.

00:34:07.000 How do you comport yourself?

00:34:08.000 How do you carry yourself?

00:34:10.000 Are you confident in it?

00:34:11.000 And also, do you understand that the vast majority of people out there, no matter where you are, right, a fourth world country, U.S., wherever, they're not thinking about it, right? 0.99

00:34:21.000 And I've had extended conversations with people in disguise Where, you know, they don't give a fuck. 0.99

00:34:28.000 They don't know. 0.99

00:34:29.000 And it is remarkable how good they are at this.

00:34:34.000 But that unit is fantastic.

00:34:36.000 Did it give you like a rubber muscle suit ever?

00:34:38.000 No, I never got a fat suit, no.

00:34:39.000 A muscle suit?

00:34:40.000 But I know one of the guys I worked with, he got a fat suit.

00:34:43.000 Really?

00:34:43.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:34:44.000 Changes weight, because that's also one of those things where, you know, you're looking to, right?

00:34:49.000 I mean, you're just looking to alter your profile.

00:34:52.000 And weight is a big part of it.

00:34:53.000 And what does the fat suit entail?

00:34:55.000 Is it like a skin one where it looks real? 0.71

00:34:57.000 Well, no, mostly it's under your clothes, right?

00:35:00.000 And so it's padding, basically.

00:35:02.000 But it's quick.

00:35:03.000 You have to be able to do this quickly.

00:35:04.000 Look, I've been on the streets of, you know, capital cities around the world where I'm on a motorcycle and, you know, I've got a helmet on.

00:35:12.000 That's a pretty good disguise.

00:35:13.000 But you've got to get off that motorcycle at some point and walk the streets or go somewhere, whatever.

00:35:17.000 And so you've got to be able to do these things quickly, right?

00:35:20.000 So, again, not giving away any sources or methods, but I will say the disguise unit and Mrs. Mendez there, who they just showed briefly, she ran that operation to a great person and a great part of the agency.

00:35:36.000 But it is acting.

00:35:37.000 There's no difference.

00:35:38.000 So this is what I was going to get to.

00:35:40.000 Did they teach you how to walk casual?

00:35:43.000 Did they teach you what to see in someone that's tense?

00:35:46.000 Well, yeah.

00:35:47.000 I mean, you spend a lot of time...

00:35:51.000 Yeah, you do.

00:35:53.000 That's a good way to put it, I guess.

00:35:54.000 You spend a lot of time observing people, right?

00:35:58.000 And understanding...

00:36:00.000 And part of that is you're trying to get a sense of...

00:36:01.000 If you're trying to get a sense of whether they're lying, you're watching for certain things.

00:36:05.000 You're watching for their body movement and the way they're behaving and the things that they're saying.

00:36:09.000 A lot of times they're just...

00:36:10.000 They're not consistent with what they're saying.

00:36:13.000 So that's not necessarily watching their movements.

00:36:15.000 But...

00:36:17.000 A lot of times, if you're trying to get on side with somebody, right?

00:36:20.000 So if I'm trying to develop a relationship with the deputy foreign minister of whatever from some country, right, because they've got inside information on their NUC program, then I'll spend a lot of time Thinking about and watching and observing that person,

00:36:38.000 and eventually I'm mirroring that person's activities, right?

00:36:42.000 So, you know, if you're sitting across from somebody and they lean on the desk, right, and they start talking to you, they move in a little bit closer, well, I'm going to do the same thing.

00:36:51.000 I'm going to come in.

00:36:52.000 They don't know it, they don't understand it, but it makes them more comfortable, right?

00:36:56.000 So if you start mirroring their actions, their activities, That's just one of those things.

00:37:01.000 It's a small part of it, but it's one of them.

00:37:02.000 My buddy told me that when you see people like leaning against a wall, that we see people in foreign countries leaning against a wall, nine times out of ten they're American.

00:37:12.000 Like with leaning like one shoulder against a wall.

00:37:14.000 He said it's a very American thing to do.

00:37:16.000 Like lean against doorways with one shoulder or lean against a wall with one shoulder.

00:37:21.000 Yeah, I wouldn't make a lot of book on that.

00:37:23.000 I mean, because, you know, it's a Western thing more than just an American thing.

00:37:27.000 I've spent a long time in Europe and, you know, Italians will lean against the wall. 1.00

00:37:32.000 Spaniards will lean against the wall.

00:37:33.000 But it is a Western thing.

00:37:35.000 So, you know, if you're walking the streets of Vladivostok or wherever, then you have to be aware of it.

00:37:41.000 Also, little things like how you eat, right?

00:37:43.000 How you hold your fork and knife.

00:37:44.000 I mean, it could be anything that could, you know, show out as a certain cultural...

00:37:51.000 What is the way that different people hold their fork?

00:37:54.000 Well, you know, if you hold your knife here and you hold your fork here, right, and you just keep eating with this hand, you don't switch the fork over to your dominant hand, right?

00:38:06.000 That's an interesting take, and I mean, like, if you're over in the UK, you see it all the time, right?

00:38:11.000 People just kind of eating like this, right?

00:38:13.000 Just pushing their food onto their fork.

00:38:16.000 There's 15 things that stand out.

00:38:17.000 Americans are known for leaning on things while standing still.

00:38:20.000 Aha! 0.94

00:38:21.000 This is a habit the CIA even trains.

00:38:23.000 Aha! 0.94

00:38:24.000 If CIA trains Americans to unlearn when trained to be a spy, don't worry, we can still stand out on our own two feet.

00:38:31.000 Americans are always eating on the go. 1.00

00:38:33.000 One person living in Europe was asked if they were American because they were eating a bagel while walking.

00:38:38.000 Hey, we gotta fuel up for all that small talk.

00:38:40.000 Americans are known for being loud and friendly, and our accents are a dead giveaway.

00:38:45.000 Well, yes, that's duh.

00:38:47.000 Americans love small talk and are super friendly, okay.

00:38:49.000 Americans are known for wanting ice in their water, a habit that might seem as strange in countries where ice is not commonly consumed.

00:38:56.000 Americans often greet people with, hey, how are you?

00:38:58.000 The greeting may be seen as too friendly or even mocking in some cultures.

00:39:03.000 Americans are known for leaving tips.

00:39:05.000 Are they?

00:39:05.000 Okay, yeah.

00:39:06.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:39:07.000 Americans have a reputation for being confident.

00:39:09.000 Okay.

00:39:10.000 Even if you're walking in the wrong direction.

00:39:12.000 Americans are known for enjoying sweet treats for breakfast, a habit that may be seen as strange in other cultures where breakfast is typically a savory meal.

00:39:19.000 Americans are often seen as being obsessed with their appearance and constantly checking their appearance in mirrors. 1.00

00:39:23.000 It's because we're the shit. 1.00

00:39:24.000 Americans are known for wearing tactical sunglasses. 1.00

00:39:29.000 A style that we've seen as unusual in other countries.

00:39:31.000 Okay.

00:39:33.000 Americans are known for saying y'all.

00:39:35.000 Americans are known for the love of baseball caps, especially when worn backwards.

00:39:40.000 Americans are in love for the love of saying the U.S. or America when asked if they're from, even though these terms refer to the entire country.

00:39:49.000 Americans are known for their friendly grins and making eye taunt. 0.97

00:39:53.000 Basically just a leaning against the wall thing that seems odd.

00:39:56.000 Yeah, that's interesting, but I've seen a lot of leaners in my time.

00:40:03.000 But yeah, all those things, it's good to be aware of, but...

00:40:08.000 You were saying with the fork and knife thing that the Europeans keep a fork in one hand and a knife in the other, and they don't switch hands.

00:40:14.000 What people switch hands?

00:40:16.000 I've seen that a lot here in the States, where people, like, they'll eat, you'll cut, you'll put down, you'll eat, and maybe it's just because I hang around with a lot of posh people, I don't know. 0.99

00:40:25.000 Yeah, they seem like bitches. 1.00

00:40:26.000 They'll sound like, that's a bitch move. 1.00

00:40:28.000 I'm not saying they're not. 1.00

00:40:29.000 Your left hand sucks so hard that you have to swap out. 0.98

00:40:32.000 Swap out, yeah. 0.99

00:40:33.000 You're scared of the fork beating your left side.

00:40:35.000 I think it's considered very etiquette. 1.00

00:40:37.000 Also, you're a bitch for not being able to cut your food with your left hand, too. 1.00

00:40:40.000 I know. 1.00

00:40:41.000 Both those things make you a bitch. 1.00

00:40:42.000 And it's just a lot easier, also, if you're pushing around right there. 0.99

00:40:46.000 But then again, you can do it.

00:40:48.000 If you want to eat quick, you've got a two-hand thing.

00:40:50.000 There's a gentleman's magazine here that says that's an American style, apparently, to hold the fork in your dominant hand and switch. 0.99

00:40:58.000 That's the bitches of America. 1.00

00:41:00.000 So let's say for a steak, for instance. 1.00

00:41:03.000 Oh, look, there's even pictures.

00:41:04.000 There's pictures to explain this to us.

00:41:06.000 How you cut, too, is a zigzag style or something.

00:41:09.000 So the fork goes back and forth.

00:41:11.000 Now let's take a close look at the details.

00:41:13.000 This is ridiculous that people are still looking at it. 0.87

00:41:16.000 Actually, that guy holding it like a dagger looks like my boy's eating. 0.96

00:41:19.000 I bet that dude's very boring in real life. 0.97

00:41:22.000 Or a serial killer. 0.93

00:41:23.000 Yeah, or an etiquette teacher.

00:41:25.000 Yeah, either one.

00:41:26.000 So, but the disguise thing is fascinating.

00:41:30.000 And I've been, like I said, I mean, sometimes it can be very simple.

00:41:32.000 You slap on, I know it sounds silly, but you slap on a fake mustache.

00:41:35.000 But you're just changing your profile quickly.

00:41:37.000 Right, right.

00:41:38.000 And so it doesn't.

00:41:39.000 I will say, there were times when you'd get a disguise kit, and it would have a baseball cap in it.

00:41:44.000 And you'd go...

00:41:45.000 I don't think so.

00:41:47.000 I think because we're overseas and probably not a baseball cap.

00:41:51.000 So who's putting together these disguise kits for you?

00:41:55.000 I mean, the outfit.

00:41:56.000 Again, it's the disguise unit.

00:41:58.000 And the disguise unit isn't aware of cultural differences?

00:42:01.000 Oh, no, they are.

00:42:02.000 But I'm just saying, in the old days, because I'm fairly old, but in the old days they'd throw in a ball cap and you think, like, okay, well...

00:42:07.000 You're giving it up here, kids.

00:42:09.000 Yeah.

00:42:10.000 But, yeah.

00:42:11.000 Hey, what do I know?

00:42:14.000 So is there any video of people wearing these disguises where we could see what they look like?

00:42:18.000 I found another video.

00:42:19.000 I want to see what it looks like.

00:42:21.000 Yeah.

00:42:21.000 Because I saw one on Instagram, but I don't know if it's real.

00:42:24.000 Video on Wired.

00:42:25.000 Same lady. 0.95

00:42:26.000 I think here she transforms probably like the reporter. 1.00

00:42:28.000 Yeah.

00:42:29.000 Just imagine, again, and what are you doing?

00:42:32.000 So here's this lady. 1.00

00:42:34.000 They gave her a mustache.

00:42:36.000 They gave her some wacky hair. 1.00

00:42:40.000 Wow.

00:42:42.000 That's incredible.

00:42:47.000 I don't know if she'd trick me.

00:42:49.000 No.

00:42:50.000 What's going on?

00:42:51.000 That one's not the best one.

00:42:52.000 Yeah, it's not the best, but then they brought up the fork and knife in the video.

00:42:56.000 Which was interesting.

00:42:57.000 Boy, they love that fork and knife thing.

00:42:59.000 Holding a cigarette comes up in the video.

00:43:01.000 How you hold a cigarette?

00:43:02.000 Yeah, it's very quick here.

00:43:04.000 They just show like the way you either between the fingers forward like that.

00:43:08.000 Is that American?

00:43:09.000 Pinching it.

00:43:09.000 And who pinches it?

00:43:10.000 I don't know.

00:43:11.000 I've seen people here pinch it, so I don't know.

00:43:14.000 Yeah.

00:43:15.000 Then it shows a guy doing a very quick thing.

00:43:17.000 People that pinch it here, they probably like European music.

00:43:19.000 This guy goes from a suit to just taking it off, putting on a hat, and now he's in disguise.

00:43:26.000 See, and it can be that simple, right?

00:43:28.000 And particularly if you're in surveillance or if you're doing counter-surveillance, you've got to be aware of these things.

00:43:35.000 Did you see that I had a guest on the podcast that came with my friend Josh Dubin who works with criminal reform and getting innocent people out of jail?

00:43:45.000 So we had this guest that came on and then after he was on the show wound up killing somebody? 0.77

00:43:51.000 Cut some dude's head off. 0.95

00:43:53.000 Yes. 1.00

00:43:54.000 Yes.

00:43:55.000 And the unfortunate surveillance footage where he tried to wear a blonde wig and walk around.

00:44:01.000 Yeah.

00:44:01.000 But I think he didn't realize how good modern surveillance cameras are.

00:44:07.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:44:07.000 It was crystal clear that this dude was wearing a fucking wig. 1.00

00:44:12.000 God. 1.00

00:44:16.000 Yeah, that's a hell of a story.

00:44:19.000 Crazy story.

00:44:20.000 I was trying to explain that to my daughter last night.

00:44:22.000 This is what happened.

00:44:26.000 That's interesting, you know, that video that you just showed, because there's been some talk about the protests on campus, right, and the fact that all these...

00:44:36.000 All these outside agitators, activists, and then the students, the actual students, the ones that are actually affiliated with the university, most of them are wearing masks, right?

00:44:44.000 Right.

00:44:44.000 And, you know, part of it is, I don't know.

00:44:49.000 They're mentally ill. 1.00

00:44:50.000 Yeah, they're mentally ill. 1.00

00:44:51.000 I photograph people every time I see them. 1.00

00:44:53.000 I photograph one today.

00:44:54.000 Yeah.

00:44:55.000 Saw somebody walking outside with a mask on. 1.00

00:44:56.000 The dumb kind, too. 1.00

00:44:57.000 The surgical blue stupid one. 1.00

00:44:58.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:44:59.000 Oh, yeah. 0.97

00:44:59.000 That doesn't do a goddamn thing. 0.97

00:45:00.000 But this was, I think, was a solidarity thing. 0.98

00:45:03.000 They're all wearing masks.

00:45:04.000 And part of it was also, I think, they were thinking they couldn't be identified.

00:45:07.000 Yeah.

00:45:08.000 There's a lot of talk about retinal scanning, right?

00:45:10.000 So how much of the face do you need in order to identify people, right?

00:45:14.000 And it's not much.

00:45:15.000 Not much.

00:45:15.000 Right?

00:45:15.000 Retinal scanning, it's not 100% accurate.

00:45:17.000 So there's other things you have to do.

00:45:19.000 So would you be able to retinal scan that lady with that crazy outfit on? 1.00

00:45:24.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:45:24.000 It's just retinal scanner, and then none of that shit would work. 0.99

00:45:27.000 The mustache. 0.99

00:45:28.000 Which is, and that's, yeah, that's a great point.

00:45:30.000 Now you've got glue on your face for nothing. 1.00

00:45:32.000 That shit is tough to take off, too. 1.00

00:45:35.000 It's not good. 1.00

00:45:36.000 So, yeah, and that's a really good point because now it's made the life of somebody who's working in operations a lot tougher, right?

00:45:46.000 Because of the ability of...

00:45:47.000 And it's got to be a country where you're operating where they've got the resources and the technology, but it makes it a shit ton tougher to get away with things, right?

00:45:56.000 And as does the ability for communications intercepts and tracking of phones and all the other things.

00:46:01.000 So...

00:46:02.000 You know, while, you know, it's always the same story, right?

00:46:06.000 Technology's got an upside and a downside.

00:46:08.000 But the face recognition, the retinal scanning, it's creating all sorts of problems from an operational perspective overseas.

00:46:16.000 And here, of course, the problem is, you know, people are talking about civil liberties and, you know, invasion of privacy.

00:46:21.000 And, you know, so you've got some students out there and they're covered.

00:46:25.000 And next thing you know, they're identified, right?

00:46:27.000 Now they're suspended. 1.00

00:46:28.000 And You know I fine you you know you some of them aren't getting to graduate There's one girl I was watching this video with they were they just told her she couldn't graduate she got arrested well You know what you what do they say you play stupid games? 1.00

00:46:44.000 Yeah, you win stupid prizes. 0.98

00:46:46.000 Yeah, so they all think they're doing something great They think they're gonna fix it. 1.00

00:46:49.000 It's it's you know a lot of misplaced energy with tents and With tents.

00:46:56.000 And with matching tents.

00:46:57.000 And that's the part, look, again, you know, hey, God bless the actual students who are out there feeling like they're being a part of something.

00:47:05.000 I get that.

00:47:05.000 They're young people.

00:47:06.000 Most of them are gormless, right?

00:47:07.000 They're just saying, whatever, right?

00:47:08.000 This is, you know, this is their moment to shine.

00:47:11.000 So they're excited.

00:47:11.000 So they don't, and then, you know, most of them couldn't find Gaza on a map of Gaza.

00:47:15.000 So I think that...

00:47:17.000 You know, that's one side of it, right?

00:47:19.000 And I can't, you know, whatever.

00:47:21.000 But it's the coordination of it all by the various outside groups and the activists and the funding of it, right?

00:47:27.000 And the potential for that funding and the coordination to tie back to groups like Hamas or Hezbollah, which basically means you're tying back to the Iranian regime, right?

00:47:36.000 Because that's the only reason those groups exist.

00:47:40.000 But nobody seems curious about that because a lot of the media wanted to portray this as just like kids being kids.

00:47:46.000 Oh, look, this is their moment to shine as student activists.

00:47:50.000 And isn't it wonderful? 0.99

00:47:50.000 And it's their Vietnam protests and bullshit. 0.99

00:47:54.000 Some of it, okay, fine. 1.00

00:47:56.000 So it's layered, right?

00:47:57.000 So some of that's true.

00:47:57.000 You got those kids that are just doing that.

00:48:00.000 There's the incuriosity of the media to say, well, what the hell's behind this, right?

00:48:04.000 And what groups?

00:48:05.000 Is it, you know, Students for Justice in Palestine?

00:48:08.000 Is it, you know, U.S. Campaign for Palestinian Rights, Samidun, right, which has connections back to Hamas?

00:48:17.000 There's education for whatever, just peace in the Middle East.

00:48:19.000 There's groups that have been actively engaging in this, and that's why you get the coordination of all of this, right?

00:48:26.000 But nobody asks, okay, what's behind it?

00:48:28.000 Ah, just students active.

00:48:30.000 No, it's not.

00:48:30.000 It's a coordinated effort.

00:48:32.000 And then you look at those groups who are always active.

00:48:36.000 In this realm, right?

00:48:38.000 And always looking to have organizations disinvest from Israel or to, you know, promote causes that are anti-Israeli, right?

00:48:50.000 And then you say, okay, well, who's funding it, right?

00:48:54.000 So you look at these groups and you say, okay, where's the money coming from?

00:48:57.000 And the money's always coming from the same places, right?

00:48:59.000 The Tide Center, right, which is part of the Tide's network, which gets significant funding.

00:49:04.000 No surprise, Soros' Open Society Foundation.

00:49:09.000 You get Westchester People's Action Coalition.

00:49:14.000 So you get these groups and you get the legal support.

00:49:17.000 So all these people, the activists who are getting arrested, they can turn to Palestine Legal, which provides legal support to the activists and the NGOs that are engaged in all this.

00:49:26.000 Again, they're getting their money from charities.

00:49:29.000 A lot of times the charities don't know they're putting money into these groups, right?

00:49:32.000 It goes into the Rockefeller Brothers Fund, right?

00:49:36.000 And the Rockefeller Brothers Fund provides money to these NGOs, you know, like Justice for Palestine or whatever.

00:49:44.000 And then...

00:49:47.000 And Rockefeller Brothers gets funding from Soros Open Society Foundation as well.

00:49:53.000 That guy seems to be a bit of a problem.

00:49:54.000 And now his kid is even more of an activist than George is.

00:49:58.000 Of course.

00:49:59.000 Kid inherited it.

00:50:00.000 Kid inherited it.

00:50:02.000 Make up for the fact that he inherited it by being extra woke.

00:50:05.000 And he is.

00:50:06.000 And extra guilty for having all those billions. 1.00

00:50:09.000 You should feel guilty, you little fuck. 1.00

00:50:11.000 Yeah, exactly. 1.00

00:50:12.000 How can you live with yourself, young Soros?

00:50:16.000 What you're talking about, though, is a very important point, that this is not organic.

00:50:20.000 Exactly.

00:50:20.000 This is what I was going to get to earlier when I was talking about social media.

00:50:25.000 How much do you think foreign governments have an influence on certain trends and certain things that people are talking and promoting and pushing and being a part of on social media?

00:50:37.000 Because I think it's a big factor. 0.99

00:50:39.000 I think it's a big factor with a lot of things, and I think it's a big factor with all the most insane woke shit. 0.99

00:50:46.000 I think they push it as far as they can. 0.97

00:50:50.000 So that the stuff that's not as insane that was insane just a couple of years ago seems less insane now.

00:50:55.000 It seems more palatable.

00:50:56.000 And then they just keep moving the goalposts.

00:50:58.000 I think you can do that through social media with kids.

00:51:00.000 You can kind of engineer what kids accept.

00:51:04.000 Oh, 100%.

00:51:05.000 And the answer is, how much do they do?

00:51:07.000 They do a tremendous amount, right?

00:51:10.000 The Iranian regime, nobody's happier with these protests on campuses than the Iranian regime, right? 0.95

00:51:16.000 And they've even come out.

00:51:17.000 The Foreign Minister Khamenei himself, right, the Ayatollah, came out on his official X page, you know, who knew, and praises the protesters.

00:51:26.000 And they talk about the oppression and the violent tactics of the police, right, and suppressing protests.

00:51:33.000 Which is crazy when you think about what the Iranian regime has done to anybody who dares protest inside Iran.

00:51:40.000 Yeah, they executed a world champion wrestler over that.

00:51:45.000 Constantly, right?

00:51:46.000 And they're trampling of all rights, not just women's rights, everybody's rights, right? 0.99

00:51:50.000 So it's bullshit, but people... 0.98

00:51:55.000 I don't know. 1.00

00:51:56.000 People buy it.

00:51:57.000 They don't have a peripheral understanding of the workings, the inner workings of all this stuff.

00:52:02.000 But then the Russians and the Chinese, they're all taking advantage of this as well, right? 0.95

00:52:06.000 Chinese bots have been out there trolling around and promoting the chaos. 0.98

00:52:11.000 If you were to switch on television in Moscow or in Tehran or in Beijing, you'll get a lot of coverage of these campus protests.

00:52:20.000 This is ideal for them.

00:52:23.000 It's exactly what they want.

00:52:24.000 And it feeds into their larger narrative of trying to discredit democracy and say what a losing system it is, capitalism.

00:52:34.000 But again, people are incurious, they're busy, they're trying to just do their lives, whatever.

00:52:40.000 They're not taking the time to sit and think, where am I getting my information from?

00:52:43.000 What's the validity of this information? 0.99

00:52:45.000 And if they don't do that, then to your earlier point, yeah, we're fucked. 0.96

00:52:50.000 Because it comes down to individual responsibility. 0.96

00:52:53.000 You've got to focus on where your information is coming from.

00:52:57.000 And, you know, right now...

00:53:01.000 You know, you could argue, I mean, whether it's the face-swapping techniques, whether it's AI that can mimic, and whether it's for criminal purposes or whether it's for state-sponsored efforts to try to put the knife into the American system or the West.

00:53:19.000 It's democratized misinformation, right?

00:53:21.000 It's made it so that everybody can engage in it, not just state sponsors, but everybody, because all those apps are out there, all the abilities out there, and you've got an incurious public, for the most part, that doesn't take the time.

00:53:32.000 And an uninformed public.

00:53:34.000 Most of them are not even aware that there's foreign elements that have an influence on our culture.

00:53:39.000 Yeah, which is shocking if you think about it.

00:53:42.000 It's shocking, but so few people are aware of anything other than what's going on in their own life and what's going on at work.

00:53:47.000 Well, life is messy, and it's tough, and you're trying to raise kids, and you're trying to put food on the table.

00:53:53.000 You don't have time.

00:53:54.000 I talk to some of my friends about this stuff, and their eyes glaze over.

00:53:57.000 Yeah.

00:53:58.000 They don't even want to know.

00:53:58.000 I'm busy, bro.

00:53:59.000 Yeah, but you know what it does?

00:54:00.000 I mean, look at the state of—look at how dysfunctional we are right now, right?

00:54:03.000 I mean, this is remarkable.

00:54:06.000 And again, everybody wants to think it's always the worst time, right?

00:54:09.000 It's not the worst time.

00:54:10.000 We've had worse times.

00:54:11.000 Civil War, I think, was pretty bad.

00:54:13.000 You know, so we've had more dysfunction, I suppose, at times, but the technology speeds it along, right? 0.99

00:54:20.000 And, you know, we just have more people, so the potential for more of a shit show is there. 0.98

00:54:27.000 That is, ultimately, when people always talk about, well, how do you... 0.99

00:54:32.000 You can't just use detection.

00:54:34.000 You can't be on the defensive all the time trying to identify, okay, that's fake, that's fake, that's fake, right?

00:54:41.000 You've got to rely on people, right, to say, you know what, I'm not going to buy everything I read, right? 0.69

00:54:46.000 I'm going to pay attention and I'm going to think about it a little bit and I'm going to chill the fuck out and...

00:54:52.000 But it's not in human nature, apparently, right now. 0.91

00:54:55.000 So, yeah, we've got a problem.

00:54:56.000 And those nations, particularly Iran, China, and Russia, are having a field day right now.

00:55:02.000 We are making it very easy for them.

00:55:05.000 And think about it. 1.00

00:55:06.000 We've got the fucking election coming up in November. 1.00

00:55:08.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:55:08.000 So think about what that means in terms of disinformation. 0.99

00:55:11.000 And it's remarkable.

00:55:15.000 We live in a very interesting time.

00:55:17.000 I think we're going to be fine.

00:55:18.000 It's a very resilient environment, I suppose.

00:55:21.000 So I try to be positive.

00:55:24.000 It's fraught with peril.

00:55:25.000 Yeah.

00:55:26.000 Well, let me ask you this from a perspective of someone who kind of understands all these different influences and all the things that are happening in these universities.

00:55:33.000 What can be done to sort of like unwind some of this fuckery, if anything at this point?

00:55:41.000 I mean, are we just going to operate from here on out with this understanding that our kids get indoctrinated to this preposterous, ridiculous way of thinking where they're taught these Marxist, Leninist ideas as if they make any fucking sense and that they've ever worked anywhere and if they don't always lead to totalitarian, 0.96

00:56:01.000 authoritative governments that Take over and enforce all these socialist policies, which is a fucking nightmare that happens in every single regime when they go socialism. 0.97

00:56:13.000 So what can be done to sort of unwind some of this bullshit in colleges and balance it out a little bit? 0.99

00:56:21.000 There's nothing wrong with having ridiculous ideas, as long as those ridiculous ideas can be challenged. 0.99

00:56:27.000 But if you're the only one that gets to talk, and you just indoctrinate these kids, and no one comes along and says, You've never even functioned in the fucking real world. 1.00

00:56:36.000 Like, this shit that you're teaching these kids, unless they go into academia, they're fucked. 0.99

00:56:41.000 Or you're gonna ruin corporations with this ideology, because it doesn't jive with capitalism. 1.00

00:56:48.000 It doesn't jive with, and oh yeah, we're gonna tear capitalism down. 1.00

00:56:51.000 Okay, well then what, you fucking idiots? 1.00

00:56:53.000 Then no one has any incentive to get anything done? 1.00

00:56:55.000 Well, that's great for you, because you've never done anything. 0.98

00:56:58.000 So you think all these people that did things, even if you don't agree with them, even if it's Bill Gates, He still built that fucking company. 0.99

00:57:04.000 That's his. 0.98

00:57:05.000 He did it.

00:57:06.000 Do you want to be that guy?

00:57:08.000 Then go do what he did.

00:57:09.000 If you don't like what he did...

00:57:12.000 Then, you know, you can talk about it, you can protest about the idea that you should, everyone should have to give all their money away, and there should be no billionaires, and there should be no capitalism, and all the money goes into, and then who's in charge?

00:57:23.000 And who gets to tell you what you can do and not do?

00:57:25.000 Who gets to tell you you can't have your money anymore?

00:57:28.000 Who gets to take your house away because it's too big? 1.00

00:57:30.000 Shut the fuck up! 1.00

00:57:31.000 This is like so short-sighted and so stupid that it's so hard for me to believe that it's being taught in universities. 1.00

00:57:37.000 Right, or the idea now of what they're saying is like, you got a big house, you got a couple extra rooms, you know what you should do? 1.00

00:57:42.000 Yeah, taking these fucking migrants that might be murderers. 0.99

00:57:44.000 Yeah, that we haven't bothered to vet. 1.00

00:57:46.000 Yeah, that guy with a 13-tap dude on his forehead, bring him in.

00:57:49.000 He's fine.

00:57:49.000 He's a nice guy.

00:57:50.000 He's trying to clean his life up.

00:57:51.000 That's why he walked here.

00:57:52.000 Yeah, and the border's fine.

00:57:53.000 Don't worry about it.

00:57:53.000 It's all good.

00:57:54.000 It's fine.

00:57:55.000 It's only like 20% Chinese nationals that are of military age.

00:57:59.000 No, the staggering number of Chinese have come across the border in the past six months.

00:58:05.000 It's wild!

00:58:06.000 Yeah, it is fascinating because you think, what accounts for that increase?

00:58:10.000 They want to learn MMA. Yeah.

00:58:11.000 Yeah.

00:58:12.000 These are the best gyms.

00:58:13.000 A lot of even the Chinese champions that come over here to train.

00:58:15.000 Really?

00:58:16.000 Yeah, sure.

00:58:16.000 So maybe that accounts for, what, 20,000 of these?

00:58:19.000 No.

00:58:19.000 26,000?

00:58:20.000 30 of them.

00:58:20.000 Yeah.

00:58:21.000 30 of those guys are future MMA stars, future UFC stars.

00:58:25.000 But, I mean, you look at the universities and think, yeah, university's supposed to be a place where you exchange ideas.

00:58:29.000 So that's great.

00:58:29.000 You want to talk about it.

00:58:30.000 You want to have classes in Marxism or whatever.

00:58:33.000 That's great.

00:58:34.000 But you're right.

00:58:35.000 You need to have that discourse.

00:58:36.000 You need to be...

00:58:38.000 Again, I keep reverting back to examples of the real world and from my own experience.

00:58:43.000 My daughter went to undergrad and grad school, and she kept her mouth shut for most of that time, six years, because she always knew, as she said, there was no upside to her arguing in class.

00:58:56.000 She's a centrist, but that's not popular either.

00:59:00.000 You can't be a centrist on campus.

00:59:02.000 You can't say there's good ideas on both sides.

00:59:06.000 What did you just say? 1.00

00:59:07.000 Fuck that day or not. 1.00

00:59:08.000 Terrible person. 1.00

00:59:09.000 So yeah, so she went through school and that's a terrible thought.

00:59:13.000 Particularly when you're paying for it.

00:59:16.000 But she worked out fine.

00:59:18.000 She's great.

00:59:18.000 And she understood the joke, right?

00:59:20.000 She got the joke.

00:59:21.000 But it shouldn't be there.

00:59:22.000 Right.

00:59:23.000 You shouldn't have to decipher that for four years. 1.00

00:59:25.000 You shouldn't have to go, let me put this through the bullshit filter. 1.00

00:59:28.000 Right. 0.97

00:59:29.000 Okay, let me just get through this class and figure out what's applicable and what I need for my degree.

00:59:33.000 Yeah, but unless, you know, I do think there's some bounce back on the corporate side with DEI, for example, right?

00:59:40.000 I think there are a number of companies out there, just as with the sort of the climate.

00:59:44.000 You know, change.

00:59:45.000 You know, I've watched oil companies, like, do this complete left turn saying, we're gonna, you know, we're gonna make over half of our revenues from green energy in the future, near future, like a couple of years from now, and you think, like, it's not gonna happen.

00:59:56.000 But they have to play that game for a while.

00:59:58.000 And then they come back and go, it's not gonna happen.

01:00:00.000 So you know what we're doing? 1.00

01:00:01.000 We're investing in all of this shit, including fossil fuels. 0.99

01:00:05.000 So I think whether it's that or whether it's kind of the pushback on DEI from corporations that are saying, you know, maybe it is a grift, right? 0.99

01:00:12.000 Maybe you've got all these DEI grifters out there, and they got it.

01:00:15.000 It's a cottage industry. 1.00

01:00:16.000 They can make a lot of money off of this bullshit. 0.99

01:00:18.000 Get a lot of government grants and all those things. 0.99

01:00:20.000 But I think there's some pushback.

01:00:22.000 Universities, I think, are a tougher issue.

01:00:23.000 Yeah.

01:00:25.000 I don't think, unless... 1.00

01:00:27.000 Unless parents and kids just say, I'm not going to that bullshit. 0.98

01:00:30.000 I mean, look, have you seen some of these kids at these supposedly elite universities talk? 1.00

01:00:34.000 How the fuck did they get into these universities? 0.95

01:00:36.000 Because they must have passed the application process. 0.99

01:00:39.000 Well, some kids are just really bad at talking.

01:00:41.000 They're good at schoolwork.

01:00:43.000 So you think that's what it is?

01:00:43.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:00:44.000 Could be.

01:00:45.000 Well, I think, you know, you basically have to just memorize what they're teaching you.

01:00:52.000 That doesn't require a lot of critical thinking.

01:00:54.000 And then when you have to think on your own and say, what does from the river to the sea mean?

01:00:58.000 What river are we talking about?

01:01:00.000 What does that mean?

01:01:00.000 What sea are we talking about?

01:01:01.000 And what does that mean?

01:01:02.000 What happens to the Jews that live there?

01:01:04.000 Where do they go?

01:01:04.000 They go back to Germany?

01:01:05.000 Like, what are you saying?

01:01:07.000 That's an interesting...

01:01:08.000 It's an interesting phrase.

01:01:09.000 I will say that, you know...

01:01:12.000 You talk about Hamas and the Israeli conflict now.

01:01:14.000 I mean, there's a minefield here.

01:01:16.000 Actually, one of my managing directors for my company, Portman Square Group, for all your information and security needs.

01:01:23.000 Thank you.

01:01:24.000 One of the managing directors knew that I was going to sit back down with you.

01:01:28.000 And they said, look, I know you're probably going to want to talk about Hamas.

01:01:31.000 Is there any way you can do it without pissing off people?

01:01:35.000 That's cute.

01:01:36.000 Yeah, that's what I thought.

01:01:38.000 So you want me to talk about the Israeli-Palestinian issue without upsetting somebody?

01:01:42.000 Yeah.

01:01:44.000 And she's a brilliant person, but I don't think that's going to happen.

01:01:47.000 But I will say it is...

01:01:52.000 Obviously, it's complex, but it's complex in part because it's not absolute, right?

01:01:56.000 And everybody talks in absolutes when it comes to this, right? 1.00

01:02:01.000 Hamas is a terrorist organization, so fuck them. 1.00

01:02:05.000 But it's a Palestinian problem, or it's the Israeli problem. 1.00

01:02:08.000 You know what?

01:02:09.000 If you look at their history, right?

01:02:12.000 There's problems on both sides, right?

01:02:14.000 And yet, we talk about it like it's black and white, one or the other, right?

01:02:19.000 And we're never going to...

01:02:20.000 This problem's never probably going to get solved in our lifetimes anyway, but it is disturbing when you hear some of the Kids, the actual students, I mean, try to explain what this is, right, and what this problem is,

01:02:35.000 and talk to me about the river to the sea, which, again, you can say that phrase, you know, in 10 different circumstances, it's going to mean 10 different things to 10 different people, right?

01:02:47.000 And that's legitimate.

01:02:48.000 You have to understand that that's, okay, I get it.

01:02:51.000 The Israelis view that as, like, you're talking for a destruction, genocide of Israelis, right?

01:02:57.000 Because that's a destruction of a group, right?

01:02:58.000 Not a war crime or something, not a crime against humanity.

01:03:01.000 Genocide is, your intent is to destroy the group, right?

01:03:07.000 So they'll see that.

01:03:08.000 Palestinians, some Palestinians, not Hamas.

01:03:11.000 Hamas has it in their charter. 0.96

01:03:12.000 They know what river to the sea means, right? 1.00

01:03:14.000 It's taking over that entire territory and, you know, fuck Israelis. 1.00

01:03:19.000 But Palestinians can say it and it means something else. 1.00

01:03:22.000 It's a yearning for whatever, freedom, for a homeland.

01:03:25.000 So there are variances in it. 0.99

01:03:29.000 But that never gets discussed sometimes because people are just screaming at each other like every other fucking subject out there. 0.98

01:03:35.000 Right. 0.98

01:03:36.000 And that is the issue, right?

01:03:38.000 Yeah.

01:03:38.000 And then, of course, when you are on a college campus and all this is being encouraged by these groups that are funded, Yes.

01:03:46.000 Then you seem like if you want to be a good person, you have to be a part of this group.

01:03:49.000 You have to go there and be a part of this protest, and we see a lot of that.

01:03:53.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:03:54.000 They're just there because they think they're supposed to be a good person to be there, and they want to make all their friends think they're a good person.

01:04:00.000 They're carrying around signs and yelling out these things.

01:04:02.000 Got the keffion, and they're like, hey, look at me. 0.88

01:04:05.000 I'm in the encampment. 0.98

01:04:06.000 I don't know what the fuck I'm doing here. 0.94

01:04:07.000 Meanwhile, it is a fascinating time if they allowed debates, because if you could see a pro-Israeli and a pro-Palestinian debate, like a real, legitimate, honest, intellectual debate in discussing all the various issues, like from the beginning of the formation of Israel to back in the history of the land, 0.95

01:04:28.000 And then what's going on today, all the treaties, all the different things that have happened, all the different peace talks, that would be a fascinating opportunity for people to hear both sides of this conflict and try to get a better understanding of it instead of just running out there with signs and camping on the lawn.

01:04:48.000 Universities and these places of higher education are supposed to be where these difficult conversations get sorted out.

01:04:53.000 Exactly.

01:04:53.000 Because you're supposed to have the smartest minds and to bring in the smartest minds from either side.

01:04:58.000 There's brilliant people that are pro-Israeli and brilliant people that are pro-Palestine.

01:05:03.000 They're brilliant.

01:05:03.000 And if you can get them together and have them sort out your details, all the people in the audience can get a better, more informed understanding of how complex this conflict is.

01:05:12.000 And that is supposed to be what universities are for.

01:05:15.000 That's what it should be.

01:05:17.000 It should be a place where people can sit down and learn something about something very difficult, which is international conflict. 0.98

01:05:26.000 These crazy moments in history where we get entwined with military conflicts that are happening all over the world and it's nowhere near you and it's complicated shit, man. 0.99

01:05:39.000 And to just run out there with a sign because these fuckers are organizing this on campus, it messes everything up. 0.99

01:05:47.000 It messes up everybody and to have like only one side's perspective heard messes up everybody. 0.99

01:05:53.000 The whole thing's a mess, man.

01:05:55.000 Well, I think that the students for the most part, again, the actual students who have an affiliation with the universities, look, you know, the pro-Hamas groups, the pro-Palestinian activists, they tend to view the students, I believe, 0.99

01:06:10.000 as essentially useful idiots, right? 0.99

01:06:13.000 Window dressing. 0.99

01:06:15.000 And it gives it a sort of a veneer of, as you pointed out before, sort of this organic grassroots movement that's sweeping the nation when in fact there's this underlying infrastructure that's always out there trying to take advantage of opportunities like this in the chaos.

01:06:30.000 And then aside from that, then you've got this other 30,000-foot problem where you've got the Iranian regime and others who are promoting this and pushing for it.

01:06:40.000 Look, you know, Hezbollah, Hamas, they've got a lot of money, right?

01:06:45.000 They have, again, not to disappear out of rabbit hole, but the leaders of Hamas are extremely wealthy, right?

01:06:54.000 You know, Ishmael Hanyay and Marzouk and Mashal and the other CACs, you know, They have billions of dollars, right?

01:07:03.000 Because for years, people say, well, how could that be possible?

01:07:05.000 Well, for years and years now, they have been receiving a great deal of money.

01:07:11.000 Conservative estimates from Iranian regime, Hamas gets maybe a quarter billion a year, right?

01:07:21.000 It appears gives them even more than that.

01:07:22.000 There have been years when they've given about 400 million dollars to Hamas for a variety of reasons, right?

01:07:29.000 Ostensibly.

01:07:30.000 And part of that money coming from Qatar is by agreement with Israel, right?

01:07:34.000 Because part of it is for over the years the idea that you're buying quiet, buying peace, right?

01:07:40.000 And so, yes.

01:07:41.000 And so there was a process in place to try to track that money, right, that came in.

01:07:45.000 Just same with the Palestinian Authority from over in the West Bank. 0.52

01:07:49.000 But that's a lot of money, right?

01:07:51.000 Not to mention even the money going to UNRWA. Right, and this is sort of the same situation with Ukraine, too, right?

01:07:58.000 We don't really know where it all goes, and some of it definitely goes...

01:08:02.000 Into pockets.

01:08:03.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:08:04.000 There was a guy, did you see that guy?

01:08:06.000 I forget what his position is in Ukraine, but he's driving around in a Rolls Royce. 0.99

01:08:12.000 This fucking $600,000, he's driving around in a house. 0.99

01:08:17.000 He's driving around in a house. 1.00

01:08:19.000 He's got a fucking Rolls Royce, and he's got the only Rolls Royce in Ukraine. 0.99

01:08:24.000 This one, whatever it is. 0.99

01:08:26.000 Is it a Spectre?

01:08:27.000 Is that what it is?

01:08:28.000 Is it a Phantom?

01:08:29.000 Maybe it's a Phantom. 1.00

01:08:31.000 It's a fucking dope car, though. 1.00

01:08:33.000 But isn't that crazy? 1.00

01:08:35.000 It's like the scene in Goodfellas, where the guy has the Cadillac. 1.00

01:08:38.000 He goes, what the fuck are you doing? 0.99

01:08:40.000 What are you doing with this? 1.00

01:08:41.000 Didn't I tell you? 1.00

01:08:41.000 I fucking told you. 1.00

01:08:43.000 It was a great scene. 1.00

01:08:44.000 What a great scene.

01:08:45.000 God.

01:08:46.000 Yeah, it's...

01:08:48.000 You got a video of that dude driving around in his Rolls Royce?

01:08:51.000 Before I fall too far, is it that car?

01:08:55.000 I don't know.

01:08:56.000 I was saying this is false.

01:08:58.000 False.

01:08:59.000 But this is also from a year ago.

01:09:00.000 No, no, this is a real recent one.

01:09:02.000 He's driving around.

01:09:03.000 But it might be fake, too.

01:09:04.000 Central Bank Governor.

01:09:04.000 That might be fake, too.

01:09:06.000 It all might be fake.

01:09:07.000 Yeah.

01:09:07.000 Ukraine politician Rolls-Royce.

01:09:11.000 Write that.

01:09:13.000 Write in Google.

01:09:14.000 Politician.

01:09:16.000 Ukraine.

01:09:17.000 Rolls-Royce.

01:09:18.000 Politician.

01:09:19.000 Because this...

01:09:21.000 Videos.

01:09:23.000 Go to videos.

01:09:25.000 Oh, news, fake BBC news clip, Ukraine's ex-army chief.

01:09:28.000 That's from a month ago?

01:09:29.000 Yeah.

01:09:30.000 Ex-army chief paid to leave Ukraine?

01:09:31.000 No, that's not it.

01:09:32.000 That's a different clip.

01:09:33.000 But this is a good example, right?

01:09:35.000 I mean, you really gotta dig.

01:09:37.000 Ukraine protesters discover luxury cars.

01:09:40.000 Allegedly belonging to...

01:09:54.000 I forget what this guy's position was, but he was driving around.

01:10:00.000 It's not Russell Brand.

01:10:02.000 I had no idea Russell Brand was Ukrainian.

01:10:04.000 Is this it?

01:10:05.000 Rolls Royce Spector, that's it.

01:10:06.000 Where 600,000 of Ukrainian politicians paid with US and EU money. 1.00

01:10:09.000 Look at his fucking car! 1.00

01:10:10.000 Look at that car! 1.00

01:10:11.000 Sweet.

01:10:12.000 Look at that car!

01:10:13.000 That's it.

01:10:14.000 That's the video.

01:10:15.000 Bro, that's a house.

01:10:16.000 That guy's driving around a house. 1.00

01:10:18.000 God damn it. 1.00

01:10:19.000 Is he driving it himself, I wonder? 1.00

01:10:21.000 Of course he is.

01:10:22.000 That's a bold move right there.

01:10:23.000 Of course he is.

01:10:23.000 It's a beautiful car.

01:10:24.000 You're not gonna let a fucking idiot drive that car. 1.00

01:10:27.000 You stole that money. 1.00

01:10:28.000 God.

01:10:28.000 Hard work.

01:10:29.000 Well, and that's, again, yeah, when you talk about, like, whether we're talking about money that goes to the Palestinian cause and gets filtered through Hamas, and they've been able to carve off billions of dollars for themselves.

01:10:40.000 They're living big lives in Qatar and Turkey.

01:10:43.000 But Part of the problem with Ukraine has been, you know, in terms of, well, they've got big issues, right?

01:10:50.000 One of them has been explaining why it's important to the American people, right?

01:10:53.000 The administration hasn't really accomplished that Yet, right?

01:11:00.000 And trying to say, why are we doing this, right?

01:11:03.000 They should have been doing it from the very start.

01:11:05.000 Didn't you see them wave their flags in Congress?

01:11:06.000 Yeah, well, yeah.

01:11:07.000 They waved the Ukrainian flags.

01:11:08.000 I don't know what you're saying.

01:11:09.000 They explained it.

01:11:11.000 They explained it.

01:11:12.000 Here we go.

01:11:13.000 Just wave the flag.

01:11:14.000 Yeah, but you remember at the very beginning, everybody had a Ukrainian flag on their front of their house and everything.

01:11:18.000 To see it in Congress when they're passing that aid bill.

01:11:20.000 Oh, yeah.

01:11:20.000 Who handed those out?

01:11:22.000 Yeah.

01:11:22.000 Where'd you get those?

01:11:23.000 Exactly.

01:11:24.000 Did you guys get those from home?

01:11:25.000 Yeah.

01:11:25.000 Who's telling you to waive those?

01:11:27.000 Got them from Amazon.

01:11:28.000 This whole thing seems coordinated.

01:11:29.000 You want to tell me about how this happened?

01:11:31.000 Plus also, where's the money go?

01:11:33.000 That's the other big issue is the transparency and how are we spending this money?

01:11:37.000 How are we spending your money, the taxpayers' money?

01:11:40.000 And look, I fall down on the side of, I don't want to see Putin win.

01:11:43.000 And he will win, you know, without significant support that gets to the point where he feels so much pain, he actually negotiates a settlement, right?

01:11:51.000 We're not going to get to a victory in this war. 0.99

01:11:53.000 That's bullshit. 1.00

01:11:54.000 The idea that Ukraine is going to win the war and claim all their territory, bullshit. 1.00

01:11:58.000 It's not going to happen. 0.99

01:11:59.000 You think they're going to reclaim Crimea?

01:12:01.000 Putin's going to give that up, right?

01:12:03.000 He'll probably go to tactical nuclear weapons on the battlefield before he does that. 1.00

01:12:07.000 Right and so you've got you've got to get but you've got a you got to hurt him enough So that he says oh fuck it. 0.99

01:12:13.000 Okay, because if he's hurt enough that means at home He's facing some dissent right and that's the big thing for him. 0.98

01:12:20.000 He doesn't you know He just wants to hold on to power right here two versions of what's going on I hear the war has already been won by Russia and Ukraine is down to like a minimum amount of soldiers They've lost half a million people rough estimates like no one really knows the real estimates Yeah.

01:12:37.000 And then I've heard other stories where Ukraine is actually doing much better than people think, and Russia has hemorrhaged people because they're essentially just sending people into the front line.

01:12:48.000 They're sending prisoners, and they're just using bodies to win this. 0.98

01:12:53.000 Well, both sides are accurate.

01:12:55.000 Both sides are true, right?

01:12:57.000 So, yeah, Ukraine has been hurting. 0.96

01:13:02.000 Russia's got a three to one manpower advantage in terms of population right what they can what they can do to recruit and put more people on the battlefield and Russia has a no problem with sort of a meat grinder strategy I just throw bodies at it right just and the stats on Fatalities on casualties on both sides are completely bullshit. 0.64

01:13:20.000 There's no transparency really and it's kind of understandable why you don't want to tell the other side how many soldiers you've lost or injured and Zelensky came out a while back and said, you know, we've suffered 31,000, you know, fatalities on the battlefield.

01:13:34.000 It's higher than that.

01:13:35.000 And it's higher on the Russian side, right, because of their strategy and the way they just, you know, Putin doesn't really care.

01:13:41.000 So he throws bodies at it.

01:13:43.000 I think?

01:14:03.000 That was a decided problem for Ukraine, right? 0.77

01:14:06.000 If that continued, then yeah, Russia will win. 0.98

01:14:09.000 They will push through and they will eventually end up in Kyiv.

01:14:12.000 And look, Putin's already engaged in shenanigans in Moldova, in Georgia, right?

01:14:19.000 They're working very hard behind the scenes in Georgia, right, to split Georgia away from the EU, right?

01:14:27.000 And that's because they're worried that Georgia could eventually, you know, be part of the European Union and They don't want that.

01:14:33.000 And so they're engaged in all sorts of activity there.

01:14:37.000 Off the radar, which they do very well, right?

01:14:39.000 What does that mean?

01:14:40.000 Well, disinformation and political influence campaigns, instilling personnel that are, there's a party there in Georgia, the Georgian Dream Party or something, that's pro-Kremlin.

01:14:52.000 And they're pushing very hard on a variety of fronts, right?

01:14:56.000 They're pushing a bill that's sort of like a foreign agent bill, which is a Russian tactic, right, to basically You know, single out anybody who's got foreign influence or foreign involvement.

01:15:08.000 And that could be NGOs, it could be media, independent media.

01:15:11.000 And the Russians have used that foreign agent bill very successfully.

01:15:15.000 So, but my point is that...

01:15:20.000 It depends on your thought process. 0.99

01:15:23.000 If you think that, okay, Putin takes Ukraine, who gives a fuck, right? 0.99

01:15:27.000 That's all. 0.99

01:15:28.000 That's all that's going to happen.

01:15:29.000 He's not going to try to reconstitute the former Soviet Union in some fashion by going after a couple other states, right?

01:15:35.000 He wants a buffer zone with the West, which is what the Soviet Union was, right? 0.93

01:15:40.000 He wants to rebuild that in some fashion.

01:15:42.000 Not the same, right, but in some fashion.

01:15:45.000 So, my experiences and other people's are different, so that's why you end up with differing opinions, and, you know, God bless.

01:15:52.000 But, you know, mine is that he's not gonna stop there.

01:15:54.000 So, my belief is you gotta hurt him enough, get him to the table, and call it good.

01:16:00.000 And that good may look a lot like the way things were, you know, in 2022 when they started the invasion. 0.97

01:16:07.000 And that's gonna be unsatisfying to a lot of people, but at least you end the fucking conflict, right? 0.95

01:16:13.000 And fine. 0.95

01:16:14.000 But I think that's where this goes.

01:16:16.000 The idea that, you know, the only outright winner will be Putin if we back off and say, we're not going to provide you with certain armaments, certain weapons to allow you to inflict enough pain to stop this.

01:16:28.000 And this is an incredibly complex and dynamic environment because the U.S. The White House, the Biden administration, is pushing very hard on Zelensky to not attack any targets inside of Russia,

01:16:44.000 right? 1.00

01:16:45.000 The Ukrainian military is like, well, fuck it. 1.00

01:16:49.000 Why aren't we attacking Russian oil refineries, right? 1.00

01:16:52.000 And energy infrastructure, like the Russians are doing inside Ukraine. 0.80

01:16:56.000 That's been a tactic of the Russian military for quite some time now, right?

01:17:00.000 Because it impacts morale of the population, it demoralizes people.

01:17:05.000 So the Ukrainian military is saying, do that.

01:17:06.000 The White House is saying, no, we don't want to escalate, so don't do that, right?

01:17:10.000 Now, the other side of that coin is, if you fuck over the Russian energy infrastructure, what does that do to oil prices around the world, and what does it do to gas prices at the pump when you're in an election year? 0.64

01:17:20.000 I don't want to be a conspiracy theorist.

01:17:23.000 But then you've got the Europeans, and, you know, Macron is over there saying, well, you know, if Kiev asks, I can see putting French troops on the ground in Ukraine.

01:17:34.000 He's trying to distract from the fact that his wife's a man, right?

01:17:46.000 That is the wildest one I've ever heard.

01:17:50.000 The fact that Candace Owen is like, I stake my reputation on this. 0.99

01:17:53.000 Are you fucking sure? 0.94

01:17:55.000 Is this where you want to go? 0.99

01:17:57.000 Is this how you want to be known?

01:17:58.000 I'm so confused by that one.

01:18:00.000 I've tried.

01:18:01.000 I've tried to look into that one.

01:18:03.000 I really have.

01:18:04.000 To my own embarrassment, I've looked into it.

01:18:07.000 My point is like...

01:18:09.000 This person, this woman that he's married to, even, even, even, even if it's a man, the real problem is they had a relationship when McCrone was 15 and she was 39. That,

01:18:29.000 by itself, is wild.

01:18:32.000 Yeah.

01:18:32.000 Because if it was the opposite, if it was a 39-year-old man who was a teacher and a 15-year-old girl who was a student, this would be horrific.

01:18:43.000 Everybody would be up in arms.

01:18:44.000 Well, the greatest line about that is, what was his name?

01:18:48.000 Berlusconi, right?

01:18:49.000 The old Italian prime minister or Someone asked him what he thought of Macron's wife, and he says, well, he's got a good-looking mom, doesn't he?

01:19:02.000 So, anyway.

01:19:05.000 Was this the guy?

01:19:06.000 No, so I did a little research on this.

01:19:07.000 Ukrainian MP? This is the story that came out was this.

01:19:11.000 This guy bought this super dope electric car.

01:19:12.000 He looks like a dude who'd be driving around in Rolls Royce.

01:19:14.000 Look at him.

01:19:15.000 The story is he's a super rich guy, has a bunch of dope cars, but I found a post on, what, 9gag?

01:19:20.000 Oh, you have many dope cars.

01:19:22.000 They found the VIN number, and the VIN number is to a car from last year.

01:19:26.000 So, I don't know that it makes...

01:19:28.000 Maybe that makes sense that...

01:19:30.000 What do you mean?

01:19:31.000 This is the plate numbers to a car from last year, and the story was saying that it's for a brand new car.

01:19:37.000 Yeah, but those are hard to get.

01:19:39.000 The first electric Spectre.

01:19:41.000 Yeah, but those are hard to get.

01:19:43.000 There's 20 23s that are for sale right now.

01:19:50.000 If you go looking for one, like I got a Nissan, a GT-R, I had to get a 2023. 2024s weren't available when I got it.

01:19:57.000 So that could be, yeah.

01:19:58.000 You get a Nismo. 0.98

01:20:00.000 If you get one of those Rolls-Royce Spectrums, those are fucking hard to get, dude. 0.87

01:20:05.000 And a brand new one that's a 2023 with zero miles on it could be what you're buying new. 0.91

01:20:10.000 And I'll tell you one thing.

01:20:11.000 This guy could have carved this money out corruptly from a variety of This is a lot of ways to make money. 0.98

01:20:20.000 Bottom line is, I get bitches with me car. 1.00

01:20:24.000 Look at this car. 0.99

01:20:25.000 That's a really good accent.

01:20:27.000 This is basically your house.

01:20:30.000 This is multiple of your house.

01:20:32.000 With the right disguise, you could walk the streets of Ukraine.

01:20:35.000 I can be a Ukrainian wrestler.

01:20:37.000 Give me a cauliflower ear. 0.87

01:20:40.000 I walk around like I'm in a hunch, like I'm ready to shoot a double.

01:20:44.000 Like you're in a hunch?

01:20:48.000 Yeah.

01:20:48.000 I think that there's definitely a lot of corruption over there.

01:20:52.000 And to deny that, I'm sure you saw that one thing where Candace Owen was going back and forth with the New York Times when they were saying, what evidence do you have of Ukraine being corrupt? 1.00

01:21:01.000 She's like, oh, you mean your fucking newspaper, stupid? 1.00

01:21:04.000 She said these different articles about the rampant corruption in Ukraine. 1.00

01:21:09.000 It's decades, right?

01:21:11.000 It's always existed.

01:21:11.000 And we've known that.

01:21:13.000 But anywhere you've got vast sums of money coming in for a variety of reasons, which is, again, I'm always astounded when people say, oh, there's no way that the three top leaders of Hamas are worth $11 billion collectively.

01:21:28.000 I thought, okay, well, even if...

01:21:30.000 Take a tenth of that.

01:21:31.000 And you think about these guys running Hamas, which supposedly, I mean, they've been governing since, what, 2007, 2006, supposedly for the benefit of the Palestinian people. 0.99

01:21:41.000 And they're sitting on billions of dollars, and you think, and so that's why, you know, fuck Hamas. 0.97

01:21:46.000 And I understand the Israeli perspective, which is, we can't allow them to retain control. 1.00

01:21:52.000 I get that, right?

01:21:53.000 I understand that operational perspective, right?

01:21:56.000 The problem is...

01:21:58.000 That, you know, you're not going to win the narrative.

01:22:02.000 You're not going to win what's happening on the international stage.

01:22:05.000 And sometimes, you know, sometimes the Israeli government can act like they don't understand how public relations plays out, right?

01:22:12.000 Right.

01:22:13.000 Like, look at the past couple of days, what's happened.

01:22:17.000 Hamas wasn't going to accept a ceasefire.

01:22:19.000 Hamas has turned down opportunities for a ceasefire, right?

01:22:23.000 And then they say, okay, the other day, 48 hours ago, whatever, they said, we're going to walk away from the negotiating table. 1.00

01:22:30.000 Fuck that, right? 0.98

01:22:32.000 Knowing that Israel is ready to do some, you know, limited operations in Rafa. 1.00

01:22:39.000 So, because they're not stupid. 0.87

01:22:41.000 They've got a very good intelligence network, right? 0.99

01:22:43.000 And they've got a lot of...

01:22:44.000 And so they understand what Israel's about to do, right? 0.88

01:22:47.000 They say, we're walking away from the negotiating table.

01:22:49.000 Israel says, okay, fine. 0.80

01:22:50.000 Everybody, you know, evacuate Eastern Rafa.

01:22:53.000 You know, we're going to engage in some targeted strikes against Hamas targets that we've identified.

01:22:59.000 Hamas turns around shortly thereafter and says, ah, we accept a peace proposal, a ceasefire proposal from Egypt and Qatar, right?

01:23:06.000 So look at us, we're accepting a ceasefire proposal, and Israel's moving on Rafah, right? 0.89

01:23:11.000 That's a, you know, on one hand, that's a brilliant communication strategy, right?

01:23:16.000 Now you've won the day on the international stage, and exactly what they knew would happen, just like what they knew would happen after the seven October strikes, they knew What was going to happen?

01:23:26.000 They knew that civilians were going to die, right?

01:23:29.000 They understood that.

01:23:30.000 And again, everybody's got their own opinion. 0.99

01:23:33.000 Minus Hamas doesn't give a shit about dead Palestinians. 0.99

01:23:36.000 In fact, that's their currency. 0.99

01:23:38.000 That's how they work the game.

01:23:40.000 And so they understood what was going to happen.

01:23:44.000 Israel was in a bind.

01:23:45.000 They gotta respond.

01:23:46.000 They're in an urban environment. 0.99

01:23:47.000 It is fucked up, right? 0.99

01:23:50.000 And too many people have died, right? 0.99

01:23:53.000 I don't necessarily believe the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry in terms of their statistics, and also they don't separate out how many combatants were killed, right?

01:24:03.000 They're just like, oh, 34,000 people have died.

01:24:05.000 So people imagine, oh my god, 34,000 civilians.

01:24:07.000 Well, thousands and thousands of those people are fighters.

01:24:10.000 They're Hamas fighters, right?

01:24:12.000 Again, it's horrible.

01:24:13.000 I'm not saying it's not.

01:24:14.000 It's awful, right?

01:24:15.000 And both sides are problematic here.

01:24:18.000 But what I am saying is Hamas has a much better communications public relations operation.

01:24:25.000 So they knew what Israel was about to do. 0.87

01:24:27.000 They claim, oh, we accept the ceasefire.

01:24:29.000 The ceasefire was completely different from what had been presented, you know, by Israel and to Israel, right, just during the past 48 hours.

01:24:38.000 They say, no, this thing is not what we've been talking about.

01:24:42.000 We don't accept it.

01:24:43.000 So now they've moved in on Rafa, and they've lost, yet again, the narrative on the world stage.

01:24:48.000 So now they're the ones who are causing problems. 0.99

01:24:52.000 Anyway, so it's kind of fucked. 0.98

01:24:53.000 But again, the point is, it's also, when all that money's sloshing around, of course you're going to have people who are benefiting from it. 0.99

01:24:59.000 And in this case, it's people like, you know, Hanye, who can sit in Qatar with all that money, and What are they worried about?

01:25:08.000 They're worried about losing the revenue stream, right?

01:25:11.000 They know that if Hamas is destroyed, you think Iran's gonna continue giving them a quarter billion dollars a year, or Qatar's gonna allow them to live this lavish lifestyle and give them money, or they're gonna continue to be able to, you know, extract taxes from money coming in, or from goods coming into Gaza,

01:25:28.000 you know, or put tariffs on things coming in, you know, to the tunnels, the contraband?

01:25:32.000 No!

01:25:33.000 So, in part, it's this It never changes, right?

01:25:38.000 Where there's situations like this, whether it's there, whether it's Ukraine or wherever, yeah, you're gonna get this, right?

01:25:44.000 You're gonna get this level of corruption.

01:25:46.000 And so I'm not surprised at all when people are worried about or concerned about what's going on with Ukraine and we give them another $61 billion and how much is that is ending up in pockets.

01:25:55.000 But I'd argue that that's part of the problem that the government, the US government has faced.

01:25:59.000 They haven't done their job. 0.96

01:26:02.000 They haven't provided As much transparency as possible and accountability to the American public, and so you lose the support of the American public, who had been just two years ago waving their fucking flags and putting Ukrainian flags on their Twitter sites and all the rest of that bullshit. 0.99

01:26:16.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:26:17.000 Anyway.

01:26:17.000 What do you think happens to Gaza, if you had a guess?

01:26:24.000 Look, this...

01:26:24.000 You can go back to the Romans, right?

01:26:27.000 Putting down, you know, a Jewish uprising in Judea, which is essentially Jerusalem area, right?

01:26:34.000 West Bank, you know, they call it the West Bank now, and, you know, Israelis still call it Judea.

01:26:40.000 Do I think the problem's going to be solved?

01:26:42.000 No.

01:26:43.000 In the short term, will the conflict end?

01:26:47.000 Yes.

01:26:49.000 But then what happens to all that area that's been destroyed?

01:26:52.000 They got to rebuild it, right?

01:26:54.000 And who rebuilds?

01:26:55.000 Well, they've been trying to put together an Arab states coalition, right, of countries that would then be responsible for a couple of things.

01:27:02.000 The rebuilding of the infrastructure and also security, right?

01:27:08.000 Again, no ceasefire, no permanent ceasefire is going to be accepted that allows Hamas to be the governing authority there, right? 0.99

01:27:16.000 So the U.S. has been pushing very hard to have the Palestinian Authority, right, run by Mahmoud Abbas, who's been in charge of the Palestinian Authority for, God, 20 years now.

01:27:28.000 And he's not popular in Gaza, right?

01:27:31.000 They were kicked out.

01:27:32.000 I mean, they were...

01:27:33.000 Well, there's been a rift with the Palestinian groups, factions, for some time.

01:27:41.000 You go back to...

01:27:42.000 When was the PLO? PLO was started in, like, the early 70s, right?

01:27:49.000 Yasser Arafat, remember him?

01:27:50.000 Looked a lot like Ringo Starr, and they were never photographed together, so...

01:27:54.000 I still think there's something there.

01:27:56.000 I was going to investigate that on the next season of Black Files.

01:27:58.000 Maybe just a little bit of a small mustache?

01:28:00.000 Yeah.

01:28:01.000 His costume, rubber nose.

01:28:02.000 They looked a lot alike.

01:28:03.000 It looked similar.

01:28:04.000 Yeah, it looked similar.

01:28:05.000 I would be able to tell if they were in a room together.

01:28:07.000 Yeah, but they never were, is my point.

01:28:09.000 Well, why would he be? 0.98

01:28:11.000 What the fuck are you doing hanging out with Yasser Arafat? 0.98

01:28:13.000 Well, Arafat, he loved music. 1.00

01:28:16.000 Who doesn't?

01:28:17.000 Who doesn't?

01:28:18.000 God, the Beatles were great.

01:28:19.000 They were great.

01:28:20.000 But anyway, so...

01:28:22.000 Yasser Arafat, PLO, gets put together.

01:28:24.000 See what I'm talking about?

01:28:26.000 Look at this.

01:28:26.000 Yeah, but his nose.

01:28:27.000 Ringo's nose is clear.

01:28:28.000 He's more Arab.

01:28:29.000 He looks more like Yasser Arafat than Yasser Arafat does.

01:28:33.000 Doesn't he?

01:28:34.000 Doesn't he?

01:28:35.000 Maybe we're onto something here.

01:28:36.000 I mean, come on, dog.

01:28:37.000 But you see what I'm talking about?

01:28:39.000 Look, look. 0.98

01:28:40.000 Pretty fucking similar. 0.99

01:28:41.000 You changed the sunglasses. 0.99

01:28:42.000 Yeah, just nice little CIA disguise.

01:28:45.000 But Yasser could not play the drums the way Ringo plays the drums. 1.00

01:28:48.000 Maybe he played dumb. 0.96

01:28:49.000 Maybe he didn't want to throw everybody off. 0.98

01:28:51.000 Two of my boys, the oldest Scooter and the youngest Muggsy, they play drums.

01:28:55.000 They played drums for a long time.

01:28:56.000 They're very good, both of them.

01:28:58.000 Muggsy in particular loves the Beatles.

01:29:00.000 And he'll tell you, he said, Ringo is completely underrated as a drummer.

01:29:05.000 Not in the drumming world.

01:29:06.000 They all know he's great.

01:29:08.000 In the music world, he's kind of underrated periodist, an important part of the Beatles. 0.99

01:29:11.000 I never understood why they decided, that guy sucks. 0.98

01:29:14.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

01:29:16.000 He's one of the Beatles!

01:29:17.000 Come on! 0.99

01:29:17.000 What the fuck's wrong with you? 0.99

01:29:18.000 He married Barbara Bach. 1.00

01:29:19.000 What do you want?

01:29:20.000 Yeah, he did well.

01:29:21.000 Yeah, he did well.

01:29:23.000 She's not related to Katherine Bach, is she? 0.99

01:29:26.000 Do I sound like an idiot if I say who's Katherine Bach? 0.98

01:29:28.000 From the Dukes of Hazzard. 0.99

01:29:30.000 Daisy Duke, dude.

01:29:31.000 That was Catherine Bach?

01:29:32.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:29:33.000 Bro, she was fucking hot as the sun, son. 0.98

01:29:37.000 What was the other guy? 0.99

01:29:38.000 What was it?

01:29:39.000 There was like Cooter and Skeeter.

01:29:41.000 There was Bo and Luke Duke.

01:29:44.000 And then there was Roscoe P. Coltrane.

01:29:46.000 He was the sheriff.

01:29:48.000 Yeah, I remember him.

01:29:49.000 Yeah, Roscoe P. Coltrane.

01:29:50.000 And then there was Cooter, who were in the garage. 0.99

01:29:54.000 I knew it, dammit. 0.99

01:29:54.000 I knew there was a Cooter in there. 0.99

01:29:55.000 And then there was Boss Hogg.

01:29:58.000 That's right.

01:29:59.000 Boss Hogg was the man.

01:30:01.000 They don't make TV like that anymore.

01:30:02.000 No.

01:30:03.000 You can't even show that show anymore because of the Confederate flag on the roof of the General Lee.

01:30:07.000 They have to blur that out.

01:30:09.000 Oh, that's right.

01:30:09.000 Yeah, they blur it out now.

01:30:10.000 Yeah, no, you're right.

01:30:11.000 Do they handle that?

01:30:12.000 Do they CGI that now so you can still watch that show?

01:30:16.000 You've got to be kidding me.

01:30:17.000 Is that what they do?

01:30:18.000 Yeah, I think so.

01:30:19.000 Because there's car shows where you can't go if you've got a General Lee.

01:30:23.000 Because if you have a real, like, they used to do the 01 on the side.

01:30:27.000 Yeah, see?

01:30:28.000 Okay.

01:30:28.000 That's what it used to look like.

01:30:29.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:30:30.000 Amazon considers pulling Dukes of Hazzard from video because of the Confederate flag.

01:30:35.000 But didn't they CGI out the Confederate flag for the show?

01:30:41.000 CGI out Confederate flag.

01:30:44.000 Wow.

01:30:45.000 Yeah, remove flag.

01:30:47.000 Yeah, Google remove flag.

01:30:50.000 Remove flag.

01:30:54.000 Consumer products divisions decided to cease licensing replicas of Dukes of Hazzard, generally.

01:31:00.000 Okay, that makes sense.

01:31:01.000 Yeah.

01:31:01.000 Remove the flag.

01:31:02.000 Warner Brothers announces removal of the Confederate flag from the Dukes of Hazzard.

01:31:06.000 Okay.

01:31:07.000 They've been removing it.

01:31:08.000 Oh, from all merchandise.

01:31:09.000 From all merchandise.

01:31:09.000 Okay.

01:31:10.000 Not on the show.

01:31:10.000 Not on the old video.

01:31:11.000 They sold, up until eight years ago, they sold Confederate flags.

01:31:15.000 You know what they could do?

01:31:17.000 If they want to renew the license on that thing, they just put an LGBTQ plus whatever flag on top of there.

01:31:23.000 TV Land pulls Dukes of Hazzard amid the Confederate flag.

01:31:26.000 I heard that they were going to put it back up and CGI the flag off. 0.99

01:31:31.000 I like that people apparently have enough time on their hands to worry about this shit. 0.98

01:31:35.000 And they go like, you know what offends me? 1.00

01:31:37.000 That's fucking generally... 0.98

01:31:38.000 It's kind of bizarre how they didn't think that was offensive in the 80s. 0.99

01:31:42.000 Right, right.

01:31:43.000 There's a lot of shows you couldn't...

01:31:44.000 Remember Starsky and Hutch?

01:31:46.000 Remember Huggy Bear?

01:31:48.000 I think he was a pimp on Starsky and Hutch. 1.00

01:31:51.000 You couldn't get away with that shit anymore. 1.00

01:31:52.000 Oh, that's right. 1.00

01:31:53.000 Huggy Bear.

01:31:54.000 I forgot about Huggy Bear.

01:31:56.000 So, anyway...

01:31:59.000 Moving back to the PLO, so back then, part of the rift between the Palestinian Authority and Hamas is Hamas came out of the first intifada in like 80-whatever,

01:32:15.000 87. But they took exception with Yasser Arafat because he basically denounced violence, right, as a way to attain, you know, the Palestinian objectives and goals and everything.

01:32:27.000 He was like, okay, and he, you know, remember, he was involved in signing some peace accords in Madrid and Oslo accords and everything.

01:32:32.000 So Hamas, you know, in their charter basically is like, no, jihad is the way to go.

01:32:37.000 Violence is the way that we're going to You know, it's liberation, not negotiation.

01:32:41.000 They have all these sayings in their charter, right, about this.

01:32:44.000 And so, anyway, so there's, but there have been problems, and eventually, they had an election in, in, what the hell, what year was it, 2006, I think, in Gaza, right, and Fatah, Yasser Arafat's party, the PLO party,

01:33:01.000 Was up and was expected to win.

01:33:03.000 Didn't win.

01:33:04.000 Hamas won. 0.99

01:33:06.000 And during the course of the next year, they actually got into a war, right?

01:33:09.000 Between Hamas and PLO or Palestinian Authority.

01:33:15.000 Hamas booted them out.

01:33:16.000 So they govern.

01:33:17.000 So when you think about Palestine or the Palestinian state or whatever it is, you've actually got two completely separate entities.

01:33:24.000 You've got Gaza run by Hamas and you've got the West Bank run by Mahmoud Abbas and the Palestinian Authority.

01:33:32.000 And is the Palestinian Authority and the West Bank, are they popular there?

01:33:36.000 Yeah, they're popular enough.

01:33:38.000 Yeah, they're popular.

01:33:40.000 They continue to govern, right?

01:33:42.000 They continue to be in charge.

01:33:44.000 And so is the Israeli objective that the Palestinian Authority control all of Palestine?

01:33:49.000 No, they don't.

01:33:49.000 See, that's where it comes in.

01:33:51.000 The U.S., Secretary Blanket and others have been pushing this idea that somehow the Palestinian Authority will be the governing body in Gaza.

01:34:01.000 And, you know, Gazans, look, they don't necessarily, you know, they don't want that.

01:34:06.000 He's actually less popular.

01:34:07.000 Mahmoud Abbas is less popular now than he was even before the 7 October attacks.

01:34:12.000 And Israel is saying, no.

01:34:15.000 Look, you know, Abbas and the Palestinian Authority, they haven't even denounced the attacks of 7 October, right?

01:34:19.000 We don't want them.

01:34:21.000 It's like, in their mind, it's almost like just trading one for the other, right, if they're the governing authority.

01:34:26.000 So I think when you say what it's going to look like, you know, it's probably going to be... 0.99

01:34:30.000 And Israel said, we don't want to occupy this shit. 0.98

01:34:33.000 They stopped occupying Gaza in 2005, right? 0.99

01:34:35.000 They were like...

01:34:36.000 You know, done.

01:34:37.000 Now, they still controlled the border and they controlled the coastline, right?

01:34:41.000 And the one crossing, there's basically two crossings there.

01:34:45.000 Karem Shalom crossing with Israel and Gaza.

01:34:48.000 Then there's a Rafa crossing.

01:34:51.000 But, you know, they're saying, no, we don't want them governing.

01:34:54.000 So it could end up looking like some type of UN-Arab states type of coalition that then is there and they're responsible for security of Gaza and they're responsible for the rebuilding effort.

01:35:09.000 But he has a long ways to go to get there.

01:35:14.000 So Israel is not trying to take over Gaza.

01:35:17.000 They don't want it.

01:35:19.000 Yeah, look, you have to go by.

01:35:21.000 They kind of leveled it?

01:35:22.000 They kind of leveled it, yeah.

01:35:23.000 I mean, look, and people cry genocide, you know, they're saying genocide.

01:35:27.000 You can debate the meaning of genocide, but typically in terms of academia, you know, and people that talk about these things.

01:35:36.000 You know, you've got war crimes, you've got crimes against humanity, you've got genocide, and they all mean different things, right?

01:35:45.000 Israel wants to destroy Hamas, right? 0.61

01:35:47.000 You have to ask yourself, is their intent to destroy all Palestinian people as a group, to just get rid of them?

01:35:53.000 Is it like what they tried to do with the Armenians all those years ago? 0.60

01:35:57.000 You know, the German effort against the Jews?

01:36:00.000 I mean, is that what they intend?

01:36:01.000 To make this group disappear?

01:36:03.000 Or is there intent to destroy Hamas, a terrorist organization, that has been attacking them and continues to attack them?

01:36:11.000 And it's in their charter, because it's in the Iranian regime's objective, in their mind.

01:36:25.000 Well, yes.

01:36:33.000 Again, Between the two, of course, yeah.

01:36:37.000 But you have to say, okay, are we lumping Hamas into the Iranian proxy network?

01:36:44.000 They built a belt of terrorist organizations, right?

01:36:47.000 Whether it's Islamic Jihad, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, or Hamas, or the Houthis, or the Hezbollah of North, they've created this network of proxies.

01:36:57.000 Designed with the objective of removing Israel at some point, right? 0.99

01:37:01.000 Because that's the stated purpose of the Iranian regime.

01:37:04.000 They, you know, they want the destruction of Israel.

01:37:06.000 So, you know, you could argue, well, look, all of that together, that's the military power, or is it just this one group?

01:37:13.000 Now, you know, in a confined sense, yes, of course, Israel's got far more military power than Hamas as an organization, right?

01:37:22.000 And again, it doesn't...

01:37:25.000 You know, it's not one thing or the other.

01:37:28.000 It's horrible what the Palestinian civilians go through and have been going through.

01:37:32.000 You could also argue that Hamas knows exactly what they were going to go through when they instigated the attacks.

01:37:39.000 They did get support and training from the Iranian regime, so the Iranian regime knew what was going to happen, right? 0.61

01:37:44.000 So what is the purpose of the attacks?

01:37:48.000 The attacks are not just to kill those 1,200 people.

01:37:51.000 No, it's not.

01:37:52.000 No, you're absolutely right.

01:37:55.000 Part of it is tied to the desire to scuttle the Abraham Accords and the potential normalization of relations between Saudis and Israel.

01:38:11.000 Really worries them, right?

01:38:13.000 And Ismail Hanyeh, right, came out, head of the political wing of Hamas, came out after the attacks and talked about this and glorified the attacks and also said that, look, this, you know, people, our Arab brothers, our Arab states,

01:38:29.000 Should realize that Israel is not, you know, you will have no peace, basically, with negotiations and with relationships.

01:38:40.000 So he was clear in the way that he put it that, you know, he was sending a message to the Arab states about this idea of normalizing relations with Israel.

01:38:50.000 So that was part of it.

01:38:51.000 Part of the desire was to tank those discussions, which were pretty well underway, right?

01:38:57.000 And now we're back again, right?

01:38:58.000 They kind of took them off the table for a while.

01:39:01.000 But the Saudis and the US have been having some pretty good discussions recently over the normalization of all of this, right?

01:39:10.000 And I think it's in the Arab states, you know, look, Bahrain and Morocco and others, All understand, too, that long-term stability down the road is going to come from normalization of relationships and some long-term ability to have peace,

01:39:28.000 which is part of the problem.

01:39:30.000 Look, they don't want—that's why they don't take Palestinian—they're worried about the Palestinian refugees, right?

01:39:40.000 You say, well, why doesn't Egypt open up the crossing and set up a refugee camp across the way from the Rafah crossing?

01:39:47.000 Well, in part because they're worried about their own security.

01:39:50.000 Egypt's been building a big wall.

01:39:52.000 They've been adding to their wall down along their border with Gaza Strip.

01:39:55.000 So, you know, look, they formed the PLO. Egypt was in charge of the PLO all those years ago, back in the early 70s, right?

01:40:03.000 You know, they were essentially the leaders they put in place in the PLO all those years ago were basically just puppets for Egypt, right? 0.90

01:40:09.000 And part of the reason why they were putting those people in place was because they wanted to minimize sort of the radical Islamic extremist actions, right?

01:40:17.000 And the acts that they took against Israel because they wanted stability.

01:40:20.000 The families down there, right?

01:40:22.000 Whether it's Qatar or the Saudis or the Egyptians or whatever...

01:40:26.000 They're just as worried about radical Islam, right, and the potential for them to lose control and to lose power as are the Israelis and others in a sense, right?

01:40:35.000 Not necessarily from the physical sense, but they've attacked, you know, Arab families, Arab leaders before. 0.53

01:40:40.000 So it's a complex problem.

01:40:42.000 I guess what I'm saying is there's a lot of moving parts here, and sometimes it all just gets...

01:40:47.000 You know, thrown into one simple-minded argument.

01:40:50.000 It's good or it's bad.

01:40:51.000 Israel's committing genocide. 1.00

01:40:53.000 You know, Palestinian people are terrible. 1.00

01:40:56.000 No, there's so much fucking more to this. 0.99

01:41:00.000 So, again, you know, I don't know that there's any solution that will be long, long-term committed peace in the region in our lifetime. 0.97

01:41:09.000 But in the short term, I think, you know, the conflict, when it's wrapped up, I don't see how it ends with Hamas still being in control of Gaza.

01:41:19.000 I think that's a red line for the Israeli government.

01:41:25.000 Now, maybe Netanyahu doesn't last as the leader of the government, and somebody like Benny Gantz takes over, and they're more inclined to say, now, you know what, just for the sake of some peace right now, you know, let's just call it quits.

01:41:36.000 Do you think that's possible?

01:41:39.000 Yeah, it could happen.

01:41:40.000 Netanyahu's got a lot of internal issues, political issues, right?

01:41:47.000 But I think...

01:41:48.000 Well, that's something that we talked about before, the people protesting on the street for months, hundreds of thousands of people protesting on the streets about Netanyahu expanding power with their courts.

01:42:00.000 Yeah, and I think that if there's...

01:42:03.000 Look, if there's a change in government, fine, they do what they're going to do.

01:42:08.000 I just think that, you know, from an operational perspective, and this is just operational, I'm not talking about the moral, the ethics of the whole thing, of people dying on this.

01:42:17.000 I'm just saying from an operational perspective, leaving Hamas in place isn't going to create any even midterm peace. 0.94

01:42:24.000 Is it possible for them to get Hamas out? 0.99

01:42:28.000 It is possible to... 0.99

01:42:29.000 They have to keep doing what they're doing, just bomb the shit out of everything? 0.98

01:42:32.000 Well, they do a lot of targeted strikes. 0.99

01:42:34.000 They do a lot of...

01:42:35.000 Yeah, there's... 0.99

01:42:36.000 Look, it's fucking ugly, right? 0.98

01:42:39.000 You can't sugarcoat any of this and say, well, they're just... 0.99

01:42:42.000 So when I say targeted strikes, I'm not saying it's all very surgical and people aren't getting...

01:42:45.000 And, of course, people are dying.

01:42:48.000 And you're not going to remove them.

01:42:50.000 You can't get down to zero sum here.

01:42:52.000 It's like counter-terrorism.

01:42:53.000 You never reduce the risk down to zero.

01:42:55.000 So when you're talking about Hamas, you can't destroy them in the concept of saying, you know, they're all dead, right?

01:43:02.000 Because the leaders, like I said, they're fat and happy sitting in Qatar and Turkey and elsewhere.

01:43:07.000 That's where they're hiding?

01:43:08.000 They're not even hiding, right?

01:43:09.000 They're guests. 0.99

01:43:10.000 This is how fucked up some of these Middle East problems are. 1.00

01:43:12.000 They're guests at the Qatari government, right? 0.99

01:43:14.000 And we know they're there.

01:43:16.000 And so did they go there when the conflict started?

01:43:19.000 No.

01:43:19.000 Oh, no, no, no.

01:43:20.000 These guys have been, you know, living abroad for years, right?

01:43:23.000 They've been living abroad for years.

01:43:24.000 And in part because, look, Hamas runs a network of businesses and charitable organizations, just like Hezbollah does. 0.94

01:43:33.000 Hezbollah's got a global presence, right?

01:43:37.000 They're sitting over there in a country that is also one of our key non-NATO allies, right?

01:43:45.000 So we have our largest Middle East base there, you know, in Qatar.

01:43:50.000 And, you know, so it's only just recently, and recently is like the past week or so, where the U.S. has broached the idea of saying, look, if Hamas doesn't accept a ceasefire, right, then the Qatari government needs to move these people out.

01:44:05.000 They need to expel them, right?

01:44:07.000 And whether the Qatari government would do that or not, because they're playing all sides, right?

01:44:11.000 The Qatari government does, you know, they've hosted the Taliban, they've hosted ISIS leaders.

01:44:17.000 Nice parties.

01:44:17.000 Nice parties, they're great parties.

01:44:19.000 What a great party to host.

01:44:20.000 The canopies are delicious.

01:44:22.000 It's a lovely time in the conversation.

01:44:26.000 And so, you know, so it is...

01:44:30.000 I'm just trying to paint the picture that it's more complicated than somebody sitting on a campus at UCLA might imagine.

01:44:38.000 And to your point, it deserves more debate.

01:44:43.000 It deserves more intellectual, open conversation.

01:44:47.000 Not necessarily when you talk about who's right and who's wrong. 0.91

01:44:50.000 How about focus on how do we fucking solve the problem, right? 0.56

01:44:56.000 And the problem is maybe intractable. 0.70

01:44:59.000 If the problem is a two-state solution, then maybe, you know, this thing is just never going to work because, you know, maybe a two-state solution is the best idea, but if one side or the other is not going to accept it and both sides have pushed back against it at various times, Then,

01:45:14.000 you know, what do you got?

01:45:16.000 Where's it going?

01:45:17.000 The thing is, most people never get to hear this wide-ranging perspective like you just laid out with all the different factors.

01:45:26.000 I'm sure there's more factors, but all the different significant pieces that are in play here.

01:45:33.000 Yeah, and I think that's...

01:45:34.000 But the same thing happens with every major issue, right?

01:45:37.000 Because, again, if you turn on the news, you get a three-minute piece of news about a major crisis happening, right?

01:45:45.000 Like the Ukraine conflict or whatever.

01:45:48.000 So...

01:45:50.000 And, you know, not everybody wants to sit and listen, you know, to details about Israel and Hamas or Ukraine or, you know, what Iran's doing with their nuclear weapons program or whatever.

01:46:01.000 But, you know, we tend to have ADHD, right, as a nation, I think.

01:46:10.000 And so, again, people are busy.

01:46:12.000 People are just focused on other things.

01:46:14.000 But it deserves more conversation. 0.99

01:46:17.000 It deserves more detail and not the bullshit that gets thrown out there from one side or the other, right? 0.98

01:46:25.000 Sort of the hard edges. 1.00

01:46:27.000 Or the shit that comes in from outside elements like the Chinese, the Russians, the Iranians who don't have our best interests at heart. 1.00

01:46:34.000 And, you know, so again, we keep going back to the same thing. 0.99

01:46:37.000 If people aren't curious, And they don't take the fucking responsibility upon themselves to understand what it is that they're listening to. 0.95

01:46:44.000 Is it verifiable? 0.97

01:46:46.000 Is it credible?

01:46:46.000 Whatever.

01:46:47.000 Get a balance of news. 1.00

01:46:49.000 Don't just sit and get in a silo and listen to shit because you agree with it. 1.00

01:46:53.000 Have a conversation with somebody who disagrees with you. 1.00

01:46:55.000 That's very interesting.

01:46:57.000 Yeah, it is.

01:46:58.000 It's very valuable, too.

01:47:00.000 If you have the ability to just let someone talk.

01:47:05.000 And engage in them and not get upset and angry.

01:47:08.000 Why do you think that?

01:47:09.000 What do you think about this?

01:47:11.000 I mean, that used to be an admirable trait. 0.98

01:47:17.000 Well, I think that's why, and I'm blowing smoke up your ass, but that's why I think your show works, right? 0.98

01:47:23.000 It's because you have conversations. 0.99

01:47:24.000 Now you piss people off.

01:47:26.000 Because I think sometimes people have a hard time putting you in a box, right?

01:47:28.000 And that makes people uncomfortable.

01:47:29.000 If they think, you know, okay, I know where he's coming from, and then you have a conversation where you're listening to something completely on the other side, right? 0.99

01:47:37.000 And you're not just saying, well, fuck you, that's wrong. 0.99

01:47:38.000 You're saying, well, why is that, right? 1.00

01:47:40.000 And you're having people explain things.

01:47:43.000 That can piss people off, right?

01:47:44.000 Because everybody wants to identify, make a quick judgment and say, move on.

01:47:50.000 And judging is a lot easier than thinking.

01:47:53.000 It is a lot easier.

01:47:55.000 It's super simple. 0.97

01:47:56.000 Yeah, it's very fucking simple. 0.99

01:47:59.000 Thinking is fucking complicated, especially when you're dealing with layers upon layers, decades and generations of conflict, like you are in Gaza and Palestine and Israel. 0.99

01:48:09.000 It's nuts. 0.99

01:48:11.000 Yeah, I don't know where it's gonna...

01:48:12.000 I mean, again, I think...

01:48:13.000 I think...

01:48:17.000 The U.S. is in an interesting position.

01:48:19.000 They're not the key mediator here, right?

01:48:22.000 They can exert pressure on Israel to some degree.

01:48:27.000 But Israel's been very clear and said, look, this is existential for us.

01:48:31.000 If the shoe was on the other foot, if it was the U.S. that was facing this sort of threat.

01:48:35.000 Right, if we were attacked by Mexico.

01:48:37.000 Or Canada.

01:48:39.000 Canada's a threat.

01:48:41.000 But Canada's too close.

01:48:42.000 At least Mexicans speak Spanish. 1.00

01:48:44.000 It's easier to...

01:48:45.000 That makes us uniquely different.

01:48:48.000 Meanwhile, there's way more Mexicans over here than there are Canadians.

01:48:51.000 I don't know.

01:48:53.000 I don't know if I trust the Canadians. 1.00

01:48:54.000 I think they're coming across the border at night when we don't see them.

01:48:56.000 I think they're in a cult. 1.00

01:48:59.000 That fucking Trudeau has got them in a cult. 1.00

01:49:02.000 The fact that they voted that guy in again is mind-blowing. 1.00

01:49:06.000 Are you fucking paying attention? 0.99

01:49:09.000 Your country's literally falling apart, and you guys are so wrapped up in one ideology or another, you don't course correct. 1.00

01:49:16.000 Yeah.

01:49:16.000 You know, it's like if Newsom was the governor.

01:49:19.000 God.

01:49:19.000 Not just the governor of California, but if he was the president, and he was running the same policies on our country.

01:49:25.000 I don't know.

01:49:25.000 He was thrown out there.

01:49:27.000 They were trying.

01:49:28.000 Yeah, they moved off of Pete Buttigieg and some others, but now Newsom is still there.

01:49:31.000 He's unwinnable. 0.97

01:49:32.000 Buttigieg is incompetent. 0.99

01:49:33.000 He's unwinnable. 0.99

01:49:34.000 Well, you could argue that Newsom also is incompetent. 0.86

01:49:36.000 A hundred percent. 1.00

01:49:37.000 But that slick fucker. 1.00

01:49:39.000 You know, I think they were trying him for a little while, but then they decided to just run it with Biden again, which is just absolutely wild. 1.00

01:49:46.000 Absolutely wild.

01:49:47.000 I was pretty convinced that this was going to be the month they were going to remove Biden.

01:49:52.000 Really?

01:49:52.000 Yeah, I was like, I think May.

01:49:54.000 I talked to Tim Dillon about it.

01:49:56.000 He put that idea in my head.

01:49:57.000 And I think I was like, you know what?

01:49:58.000 That totally makes sense.

01:49:59.000 May seems like it makes sense.

01:50:01.000 Because if you're going to really get a new guy in place, if Biden is like, you guys, I got a problem.

01:50:07.000 There's a thing.

01:50:08.000 I'm going to be here on the sidelines.

01:50:09.000 I'm going to work really close with Governor Newsom.

01:50:13.000 Four more years.

01:50:15.000 Pause.

01:50:17.000 That was actually brilliant. 0.99

01:50:19.000 It's fucking crazy. 0.99

01:50:20.000 It's fucking crazy that these people are gaslighting us. 1.00

01:50:23.000 But they can't move him out. 0.99

01:50:25.000 If they move him out, they've got to move Kamala Harris out. 1.00

01:50:28.000 Or they've got to elevate her to the top of the ticket. 1.00

01:50:30.000 Which is nuts.

01:50:31.000 That's not going to happen. 1.00

01:50:32.000 You have to be the nuttiest fucking Democrat. 1.00

01:50:35.000 And I know a few. 1.00

01:50:36.000 I know this one nutty Democrat that I'm...

01:50:38.000 I guess I'm kind of friends.

01:50:39.000 If I see him, I'll say hi. 0.99

01:50:40.000 But this motherfucker is a Kamala Harris fan. 1.00

01:50:43.000 Thank you, Madam Vice President. 1.00

01:50:45.000 He's one of those.

01:50:46.000 How do you get to that point? 1.00

01:50:47.000 You're retarded. 1.00

01:50:48.000 You just completely give in. 1.00

01:50:51.000 There's no critical thinking at all. 0.99

01:50:52.000 And you're just fucking blue no matter who. 0.99

01:50:55.000 You ride or die. 0.99

01:50:57.000 Well, I assume that they've looked at the scenarios and they thought to themselves, we can't have Biden step down and put somebody else at the top of the ticket.

01:51:06.000 So we've got to clear the ticket entirely, right?

01:51:09.000 Because we can't run Kamala Harris as the presidential candidate. 1.00

01:51:13.000 And we certainly can't bring in Newsom, a white dude, to run the top of the ticket and keep her in place, right? 0.97

01:51:19.000 That's not an optic they're willing to put up with.

01:51:21.000 Also, she's just not valuable. 0.58

01:51:24.000 In that spot.

01:51:25.000 She doesn't gain confidence that we'll have a great vice president if he kicks the bucket. 0.80

01:51:31.000 And, bro, how are they keeping him alive?

01:51:34.000 Yeah.

01:51:35.000 What are they giving him?

01:51:36.000 And where do I get it?

01:51:36.000 Well, she'll be president.

01:51:38.000 Where do I get when he's on?

01:51:39.000 Yeah.

01:51:39.000 I want to try.

01:51:40.000 As an able-bodied man.

01:51:44.000 Of complete control of my cognitive functions. 1.00

01:51:46.000 I'd like to know what that fucking cocktail's like. 0.99

01:51:48.000 I was gonna say, the cocktail that they gave him before the State of the Union address? 0.99

01:51:51.000 Yeah.

01:51:51.000 Whatever they gave him then?

01:51:52.000 Yeah.

01:51:53.000 Right?

01:51:53.000 That fired him up just long enough to make it through?

01:51:55.000 Just long enough.

01:51:56.000 Boy, he must have slept for a week after that.

01:51:58.000 I bet it's some high-dose stuff, whatever it is, and I bet it feels great.

01:52:04.000 Yeah, in the moment.

01:52:05.000 And then I think there's probably a come-down.

01:52:08.000 Oh, boy.

01:52:09.000 Yeah.

01:52:10.000 So, yeah, she'll be president. 0.97

01:52:13.000 This is my theory.

01:52:14.000 That's crazy.

01:52:15.000 I know I've lost a bet with you before on Trump, but I worry that...

01:52:21.000 Look, I think the Republicans can't really go after Biden's age completely only because Trump is, what, 78?

01:52:29.000 Right, but he's not as compromised.

01:52:31.000 No, absolutely not.

01:52:32.000 Right.

01:52:32.000 And that's absolutely true.

01:52:34.000 But I just...

01:52:35.000 I think that what's going to happen is that...

01:52:40.000 You have to have a perfect storm for Trump to win in terms of the independents, right, and suburban moms, and you have to have enough people come back into the tent, right, to vote for him.

01:52:53.000 And...

01:52:54.000 I just, I don't know that I have enough confidence that that's going to happen.

01:52:58.000 So we end up with President Biden and Harris again, which means we will have President Harris.

01:53:03.000 I hate to say that, right?

01:53:04.000 You wish well on everybody, right?

01:53:06.000 Good health and all that.

01:53:07.000 Yeah, but come on.

01:53:08.000 Come on.

01:53:09.000 Yeah, please.

01:53:10.000 Are you kidding me?

01:53:10.000 Come on.

01:53:11.000 Two years into this next tenure, she's president.

01:53:15.000 But isn't Trump ahead in a lot of polls?

01:53:17.000 He is.

01:53:17.000 He is, but again, I don't know that I'd make bank on polls nowadays.

01:53:25.000 This is going to sound like I'm going off topic, but after the 7th October attacks in Gaza, I think that the survey was done In maybe January and February timeframe.

01:53:37.000 They released it in March.

01:53:38.000 So a Palestinian research center based in Ramallah, I think, in Gaza.

01:53:48.000 I forget where it was.

01:53:49.000 But anyway, they ran a survey.

01:53:52.000 And according to this poll that they did of residents of Gaza, over 70% supported Hamas's 7 October attacks.

01:54:02.000 70%.

01:54:02.000 Over 70% supported Hamas's attacks.

01:54:06.000 It was a minuscule amount that thought that Hamas was responsible for their troubles, right?

01:54:11.000 It's like less than 10%, I think, that thought that Hamas was responsible for all the chaos now happening, right?

01:54:17.000 Despite the fact of what they did, but they supported what they did, according to the poll.

01:54:20.000 Now, you peel that back and you think to yourself, okay, well, first of all, The survey was done in Gaza.

01:54:26.000 So somebody knocks on your door and says, do you support Hamas's actions on 7 October? 0.99

01:54:31.000 What the fuck do you think I'm going to say? 0.99

01:54:33.000 Right. 0.99

01:54:33.000 Of course I'm going to say yes. 0.99

01:54:34.000 It's kind of like if you walk up to somebody in San Francisco on a crowded street and say, do you support President Trump?

01:54:41.000 No.

01:54:42.000 So I don't know that people are particularly honest at times in surveys and polls.

01:54:49.000 Especially in these circumstances.

01:54:50.000 In these circumstances.

01:54:51.000 But you're right.

01:54:52.000 Most surveys, most polls show some points ahead.

01:54:56.000 And don't get me wrong.

01:54:59.000 I'd love to see less regulation.

01:55:01.000 We've got all sorts of problems on the economic front.

01:55:04.000 You know, one thing we could be doing as a government is peeling back some of the regulatory environment that's fucking us over, right?

01:55:11.000 In a lot of ways, not just the economy, but it impacts our national security down the road, right?

01:55:16.000 How much...

01:55:19.000 When you hear about shenanigans when it comes to voting, when you hear about particularly corruption involved with mail-in ballots, it seems to be a sticking issue with people.

01:55:30.000 How much of a security issue is that, like the mail-in ballots thing?

01:55:33.000 Yeah.

01:55:34.000 Look, if there's an opportunity for fraud or chaos, some people somewhere Whether Democrats or Republicans or whatever.

01:55:41.000 If there's a fraud opportunity, there will be an element that will try to play off of that.

01:55:46.000 Especially if they think that it's imperative that this happen for this future of democracy.

01:55:52.000 Future of democracy.

01:55:53.000 It's, oh my god, I'm saving the country, despite what I'm doing.

01:55:57.000 Despite what you're doing being very un-American. 0.80

01:55:59.000 Right, exactly.

01:56:00.000 You're engaging in voter corruption.

01:56:01.000 So I don't have any insight or inside information about, you know, to what degree there's a problem with mail-in ballots and voter fraud, but to me, I tend to be a little more simplistic.

01:56:13.000 I remember a lot of elections where you just show up, you show your ID, you fill out the form, and then by that evening, You found out who won.

01:56:24.000 It didn't seem to be that complicated.

01:56:27.000 And nobody seemed really disenfranchised.

01:56:31.000 So I would like to see us just go back to the normal way of voting.

01:56:37.000 Do we vote on it?

01:56:38.000 How do people decide whether or not mail-in ballots are appropriate?

01:56:43.000 Because the reason why they were there in the first place was COVID. But now that it's there and it's set up, Yeah.

01:56:49.000 Now there's this resistance to get rid of mail-in ballots. 0.98

01:56:52.000 But if that is the thing that keeps us closer to corruption, and it seems to be, that's the thing that's an element that you can fuck with. 0.98

01:57:01.000 Right. 0.97

01:57:01.000 And you do this all the time in the business environment or whatever. 0.97

01:57:05.000 You look at your protocols in place.

01:57:07.000 You remove lack of controls where fraud could seep in.

01:57:11.000 It's a common thing.

01:57:13.000 It shouldn't be difficult.

01:57:16.000 So then you have to look at it with some skepticism.

01:57:19.000 Are you genuinely concerned that somehow there were vast swaths of the population that were disenfranchised and not able to vote, or just can't get themselves an ID, which I think is an insulting stance to take for a lot of people.

01:57:36.000 I'm sorry, you're not smart enough to get yourself an ID. But you need one if you have a vaccine.

01:57:41.000 Yeah, but you need one if you have a vaccine.

01:57:42.000 If you want to work.

01:57:43.000 Yeah, or from Sam's Club.

01:57:44.000 You want to feed yourself.

01:57:45.000 You need one.

01:57:46.000 But you don't need one to vote, because that's racist.

01:57:48.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:57:49.000 Or something.

01:57:50.000 So I think, to me, it just seems like we should look at it from...

01:57:54.000 From a perspective of the way that you would do it if you were running a business, which is, I want to minimize the potential opportunities for fraud.

01:58:01.000 How do I do that? 0.97

01:58:02.000 It's very fucking simple. 0.98

01:58:04.000 Seems fucking simple. 0.99

01:58:05.000 You can phrase it that way. 0.92

01:58:07.000 But that's not how they're doing it right now.

01:58:11.000 Is that something that can be voted on?

01:58:13.000 That's the question.

01:58:14.000 I have no idea.

01:58:17.000 Leave it up to the people, you mean?

01:58:19.000 Who decides that mail-in ballots are still legitimate?

01:58:23.000 Well, I guess, was that a federal or a state decision?

01:58:26.000 I don't know.

01:58:28.000 That's a very good question.

01:58:30.000 Yeah, who knows?

01:58:32.000 Because I have friends that believe there was no voter fraud at all, and I have friends that believe that 100% Trump won.

01:58:38.000 Yeah, I'm the same way.

01:58:40.000 I've got both sides, and you think, okay, well, look.

01:58:43.000 Someone's got to be wrong.

01:58:44.000 Well, and usually, the answer is somewhere...

01:58:48.000 In that range, in the middle.

01:58:50.000 There's some fraud. 0.97

01:58:51.000 Was it enough to fuck things over? 0.94

01:58:53.000 Who knows? 0.90

01:58:54.000 I don't know.

01:58:54.000 But again, I keep going back to the operational concerns, which is just minimize the potential for fraud.

01:59:00.000 Mail-in ballots have always been a thing, right?

01:59:03.000 You're serving overseas or whatever.

01:59:06.000 But there was a protocol for it, and it was very straightforward and very clear.

01:59:10.000 And now, you know, the concern over ballot harvesting and mail-in ballots and having, you know, months to get your...

01:59:18.000 Having, you know, weeks pass before you know who won, right?

01:59:22.000 Crazy.

01:59:22.000 Yeah.

01:59:23.000 Talk about instilling, you know, skepticism over the credibility of your voting system.

01:59:27.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:59:28.000 Take weeks to figure out who won a fucking election. 1.00

01:59:31.000 Is there a real danger that Trump could win... 1.00

01:59:35.000 But lose.

01:59:36.000 Meaning that he could win the election but lose his court case?

01:59:39.000 Oh.

01:59:40.000 And literally have to go to jail while he's the president?

01:59:44.000 I mean, this was the topic of discussion at the Rogan House today.

01:59:48.000 Was it?

01:59:49.000 Well...

01:59:49.000 We were trying to figure out, like...

01:59:51.000 Yeah, he could...

01:59:52.000 There's nothing that says he can't...

01:59:54.000 Govern from jail.

01:59:56.000 But is it possible that they really might put him in jail?

01:59:59.000 Is he in danger of actually being put in a jail for these crimes of...

02:00:06.000 What did he do exactly?

02:00:08.000 He paid a lady off, and I guess he did it in a secretive way?

02:00:13.000 Well, he did it in the same way that Arnold Schwarzenegger did it.

02:00:16.000 He did it in the same way that a variety of people who are trying to suppress a bad PR story do it, right?

02:00:24.000 I think the trial that's going on right now involving Stormy Daniels in New York was the least favorite trial of the Democrats who are the most keen to see him put in prison.

02:00:35.000 Right.

02:00:36.000 They all felt as if this is probably not the one to start with, but they started with it because Alvin Bragg was dead set on doing it, right?

02:00:43.000 He just like, I'm going to throw this out there.

02:00:45.000 And, you know, a variety of other entities had looked at that case and said, we're not going to push it forward.

02:00:51.000 And so they've put this forward.

02:00:53.000 I don't think that there's anybody other than the hardcore never-Trumpers, the people that are just desperate to see him in a jumpsuit, who believe that there's any merit to it.

02:01:04.000 The analysts that you watch across the board, even the hard left ones, they tend to speak in caveats, right?

02:01:14.000 Like, you know, they're not completely convinced that this was the way to go.

02:01:19.000 So, I don't know.

02:01:20.000 But, having said that, if he gets convicted, and if there's like some, you gotta go to prison, sounds so fucking bizarre.

02:01:30.000 How did we get to this point?

02:01:31.000 Then, I don't know of anything that says he can't continue to run or be elected.

02:01:41.000 What he's being accused of, is this generally a crime that people actually have to go to jail for?

02:01:45.000 No.

02:01:46.000 No.

02:01:46.000 Has anybody gone to jail for that?

02:02:04.000 Or that they thought, his team thought, would be bad for a campaign, right?

02:02:10.000 But that in and of itself...

02:02:11.000 So they've got to tie it into how the funds were expended.

02:02:14.000 They've tried this in the past.

02:02:17.000 And again, it's not like there haven't been countless dudes who, you know, did the mess around and then had to pay to get the story suppressed, right?

02:02:27.000 I mean, there are PR firms that specialize in that sort of thing.

02:02:32.000 So...

02:02:33.000 I don't know.

02:02:34.000 I don't see that this is going to tank him, right?

02:02:38.000 There's probably other cases out there.

02:02:40.000 Is it a case where, yeah, there's probably more cases, right, waiting?

02:02:43.000 They're going to keep throwing it at them.

02:02:44.000 Yeah, they've got a timeline of cases.

02:02:46.000 And look, the Democratic strategists have been, you know, they stick to a message.

02:02:49.000 They're very smart and they're very disciplined.

02:02:52.000 But they all sat in a room somewhere and they looked at these various things.

02:02:54.000 They looked at the election calendar and they looked at, you know, where the primaries are and they looked at when they could maybe get these trials going.

02:03:01.000 And the idea being, let's just keep this thing rolling.

02:03:03.000 Keep him in the news as being in a court, right?

02:03:07.000 It's so crazy, though.

02:03:09.000 Look, the idea that he's got to sit there and can't leave, you don't see that, you know, that's not a typical move, right?

02:03:17.000 But now he's locked into that court on whatever, Monday, Tuesday, and Thursday and Friday or whatever.

02:03:22.000 So with the idea being he's not out on the campaign trail.

02:03:25.000 Right.

02:03:25.000 But he's also in the news and his supporters think that he's being unduly prosecuted or unfairly prosecuted.

02:03:31.000 Right.

02:03:32.000 And that it's a political prosecution.

02:03:34.000 And that all they're trying to do, which is essentially un-American, is suppress their political rival.

02:03:40.000 Right.

02:03:40.000 And that is a large number of people in the country.

02:03:44.000 A larger number every day, I think, as this goes on.

02:03:47.000 They gain more of an understanding of this case.

02:03:50.000 Like, the problem is, if you're a Democrat and you support this, If he does get in power, now he has this ability.

02:03:56.000 You have to understand there's a precedent that's been set.

02:03:59.000 And if you don't think that Biden has a shitload of things...

02:04:03.000 So let's say Biden loses, okay? 0.88

02:04:06.000 Let's get really crazy.

02:04:07.000 Let's get really, really crazy.

02:04:10.000 Biden loses, they inject him with stem cells for three years, and then they roll him out.

02:04:19.000 In 2027, like, let's do it again.

02:04:21.000 Let's do it again.

02:04:22.000 Trump won the second term.

02:04:23.000 We saw disasters persist.

02:04:26.000 That was.

02:04:27.000 And they say, you know what?

02:04:28.000 He's been sharper than ever. 0.99

02:04:30.000 And you get these New York liberals who just gaslight the shit out of you. 0.99

02:04:33.000 I saw that video and I'll tell you, I'm pumped. 0.99

02:04:36.000 He's as sharp as a tack.

02:04:38.000 He's never been better.

02:04:39.000 Sure, he's old, but that's his superpower.

02:04:41.000 They tried that for a while.

02:04:42.000 His work ethic looks fantastic.

02:04:45.000 He is so kind.

02:04:45.000 He's such a good man.

02:04:47.000 He's the father of our country.

02:04:49.000 We're so lucky.

02:04:50.000 I read an ex post by, admittedly, a guy that works for a consulting firm in D.C., right?

02:04:57.000 He's a Democratic strategist.

02:04:58.000 But he wrote this glowing thing about how Biden's had this great couple of weeks.

02:05:03.000 Man, has he had a good couple of weeks.

02:05:05.000 He's on fire.

02:05:05.000 Yeah, he's on fire.

02:05:06.000 Look at what he's done in the Middle East, right? 0.99

02:05:08.000 Four more years.

02:05:09.000 Well, you could argue that part of our problem was we coddled the Iranian regime for three years, and that's how things got to this stage. 0.73

02:05:15.000 And now what?

02:05:17.000 Suddenly he's had a good couple of weeks.

02:05:20.000 They're not leading the charge on any ceasefire negotiations, right?

02:05:23.000 In fact, you could argue that they're making...

02:05:38.000 But isn't that losing the Jewish vote, then?

02:05:42.000 We talked about this yesterday, that 70% of Jewish people identify or vote as Democrats.

02:05:48.000 Yeah, I know.

02:05:49.000 And what's that all about?

02:05:50.000 I've never been quite clear on how that number worked.

02:05:56.000 It's interesting.

02:05:57.000 Yeah, it is interesting.

02:05:58.000 But anyway, I don't want to say that they're making too many decisions based on domestic political concerns, but I think that they are.

02:06:05.000 That's just the nature of the game.

02:06:07.000 And so I don't think I'm being overly cynical.

02:06:12.000 What I was getting to was that if Biden did, if we went crazy in 2027, they get him on stem cells, and they put him in a hyperbaric chamber every day for four hours, and he's sharp as a tacker.

02:06:25.000 Look at him!

02:06:26.000 Knife! 0.99

02:06:27.000 He's sharper than his Uncle Bozy was.

02:06:29.000 Imagine if Trump goes after him, because there's a lot to go after.

02:06:33.000 If they started uncovering the emails and the Burisma stuff and the fact that he said he never talked to any of his son's business partners, but Hunter Biden's former partner said they had at least 20 phone calls, the fact that he allegedly used a pseudonym when he was exchanging emails,

02:06:52.000 all that's nuts.

02:06:54.000 All that is nuts.

02:06:55.000 If that was the case, if now Trump gets to go after him, Now we're dealing with insanity.

02:07:03.000 Now we're dealing with every time someone is president, they have the power to prosecute their political rivals for unnecessary means.

02:07:12.000 Which is the whole argument of immunity, right?

02:07:14.000 This is not a thing that should be a thing that decides whether or not a guy gets to run for president.

02:07:20.000 No, that's a very fourth world thing, right?

02:07:23.000 And I probably get in trouble for saying fourth world.

02:07:24.000 People go, oh my god, how can you denigrate the fourth world?

02:07:27.000 Is that us?

02:07:28.000 Are we fourth world?

02:07:30.000 We're heading in that direction.

02:07:31.000 I don't know if we're first world anymore.

02:07:33.000 Where are we right now?

02:07:34.000 I'm not sure where we stand.

02:07:36.000 Who's first world if we're not?

02:07:38.000 That's what's scary.

02:07:38.000 Let's recalibrate.

02:07:40.000 Maybe there are no first worlds anymore, but...

02:07:42.000 When you find out, when we found out that the 1% of the world is $34,000 a year, when you hear that, you go, oh, that's why they're walking over here. 0.98

02:07:50.000 That's why this is all chaos.

02:07:51.000 That's why this is all nuts.

02:07:52.000 Yeah.

02:07:53.000 Like, yeah.

02:07:54.000 Like, this is first world.

02:07:55.000 As crazy as it is, this really is first world.

02:07:57.000 Yeah.

02:07:58.000 Well, look, I know I spent most of my life overseas, and I met a lot of people in some very bizarre environments and some sort of remote areas, and they all had this idea, you know,

02:08:13.000 get to America, work hard, and you could do who knows what.

02:08:17.000 Right.

02:08:17.000 So it's still, and it still continues to be, a very dynamic and, you know, driving element of, you know, of people overseas.

02:08:25.000 I think we forget that sometimes, right?

02:08:27.000 And certainly, you know, you could look at the campus protests and go to, well, okay, maybe, you know, the youth of today, but that's not true either, right? 0.96

02:08:35.000 Because we can fall into that trap and say, well, the fucking youth of today don't understand how, you know, great they have it and everything like that. 0.96

02:08:41.000 Every generation has said that about their kids. 0.99

02:08:43.000 Well, not only that.

02:08:45.000 Every generation has said that about their kids, for sure.

02:08:48.000 But if you looked at this population of college kids, and you could remove these kids from their friends, and with total immunity and total anonymity, Get their real opinions on all this stuff.

02:09:05.000 I guarantee you there's a lot of kids.

02:09:07.000 They say some of this is so crazy and you can't have opposing opinions and we just sort of accept it and we move on and it's what percentage of the kids are out there in tents?

02:09:19.000 What percentage of the kids are out there blocking the roads and protesting?

02:09:23.000 I bet it's a small percentage.

02:09:25.000 It's a very small percentage.

02:09:26.000 It's a lot of people, and then there's a lot of people that go there that probably don't even go to that school, right?

02:09:31.000 Right.

02:09:31.000 Well, I mean, if you look at the arrest statistics so far, right, you know, say it's not a completely accurate number, but about 2,400 arrests, right, campuses across the country.

02:09:45.000 And the statistics are starting to show that, you know, upwards of half of those arrests Those people have no affiliation with the university.

02:09:53.000 They're not college students, right?

02:09:55.000 They're outside either agitators, activists, however you want to refer to them, right?

02:10:00.000 So, yeah, I agree with it.

02:10:02.000 We're not talking about a lot.

02:10:04.000 And again, I would argue that, you know, from the outside activist perspective, again, whether it's, you know, Students for Justice in Palestine or, you know, the other groups that are involved...

02:10:15.000 They look at the students themselves as just window dressing. 1.00

02:10:19.000 And again, sort of useful idiots. 1.00

02:10:20.000 But I will tell you one thing is you can get cynical sometimes about the state of the youth, however you want to call it, the youths. 1.00

02:10:32.000 But then I took my oldest boy, Scooter, for his candidate visit at the U.S. Naval Academy a couple weeks ago.

02:10:40.000 That is a way to strengthen or reaffirm your belief in where we are as a country, right? 0.99

02:10:48.000 When you see the kids that are there, holy fuck, right? 0.98

02:10:52.000 And I probably shouldn't say that when I'm describing all the kids there, but what great kids, right? 0.99

02:10:56.000 They're still out there.

02:10:57.000 They're still out there.

02:10:58.000 And that's the point.

02:10:59.000 There's a lot of them.

02:11:00.000 There's a lot of them.

02:11:01.000 What we were saying earlier, like, you know, oh, the generation before, I think this is the best generation. 1.00

02:11:06.000 It's just there's so many morons. 1.00

02:11:09.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:11:09.000 But in terms of just the sheer number of people that aren't, it'll surprise you. 1.00

02:11:16.000 There's a lot of great people in this country.

02:11:18.000 We have our problems, and we're going to always have problems, but one of the ways we find solutions is by having problems.

02:11:26.000 And that's one of the ways we've come to understandings.

02:11:28.000 And the people that are trying to stop you from discussing this, that's the real problem.

02:11:33.000 The problem is not disagreement, folks.

02:11:35.000 The problem is people trying to stop people from discussing very important subjects. 0.98

02:11:41.000 And that is, look, Fucking all hail Elon Musk cuz that motherfucker stepped in spent 44 billion dollars and shifted the entire The whole like the environment of social media is very different because X is the Wild West Yeah, 0.99

02:11:58.000 it's very different everywhere Everything has to kind of relax just to kind of keep up with it because the the whole power dynamic the whole bell curve has shifted and And now you've got this one dude who's like, I don't give a fuck. 0.99

02:12:11.000 I'm going to post ridiculous memes. 0.99

02:12:13.000 I'm going to talk shit. 0.99

02:12:15.000 I'm going to say funny things. 0.99

02:12:17.000 And remember, he was a darling of the left for quite a while. 0.92

02:12:20.000 Oh my God, now he's a Nazi. 0.97

02:12:20.000 It's crazy. 0.97

02:12:21.000 He's the worst.

02:12:22.000 Having one of his cars was like a virtue badge.

02:12:26.000 Like, my friend made fun of me because I had a Tesla. 0.99

02:12:28.000 And I was like, dude, I don't give a fuck what you say. 0.99

02:12:31.000 If you get in this car, it'll change your mind. 0.99

02:12:33.000 Remember that South Park episode with the Prius?

02:12:35.000 I don't.

02:12:35.000 I didn't see that one.

02:12:36.000 Thank you.

02:12:37.000 There was a whole episode about people of South Park buying Priuses and feeling incredibly super self-righteous.

02:12:43.000 It was fantastic.

02:12:45.000 It was almost as good as they're smacking it in San Diego.

02:12:49.000 Bro, it is a thing in California.

02:12:51.000 It is a real thing that some of my liberal friends... 1.00

02:12:55.000 I know what you're doing, you fucks. 0.99

02:12:57.000 You're waving a flag. 0.99

02:12:58.000 That's not even a good car.

02:12:59.000 You don't even like the way it looks.

02:13:01.000 What are you doing?

02:13:01.000 Yeah.

02:13:02.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:13:02.000 Get out of here with that fucking stupid thing. 1.00

02:13:04.000 Yeah, you're right. 1.00

02:13:06.000 Now he's a Nazi. 0.72

02:13:07.000 See, but the Tesla thing made sense to me.

02:13:09.000 I'm like, okay.

02:13:10.000 When you drive one of those things, you get both things.

02:13:14.000 You get to feel like you're better because I'm out here doing something amazing for the environment. 0.99

02:13:20.000 And then also, you get a fucking time machine. 0.99

02:13:23.000 That thing moves like a time machine. 0.99

02:13:24.000 Yeah.

02:13:25.000 It doesn't even seem real how fast those things are.

02:13:27.000 Did I tell you when I ended up with a Tesla?

02:13:30.000 I don't know if I told you about that.

02:13:32.000 When I show up at a rental car place, and I forget even what town I was in, and I hadn't asked for an EV, right?

02:13:38.000 But I guess now they're kind of like, they're pushing them out there.

02:13:41.000 Trying to push them.

02:13:41.000 Yeah.

02:13:41.000 So the guy says, oh, we got a Tesla for you.

02:13:44.000 I said, okay, fine.

02:13:45.000 So he hands me the card, right?

02:13:48.000 That little card.

02:13:50.000 So I'm like, all right.

02:13:50.000 So he's out there in whatever, space 428. So I wander out there, and I stand, and it's locked, right?

02:13:58.000 So now I'm standing there thinking, well, I don't have a fucking key. 0.97

02:14:00.000 I don't have a clue how to open this thing, right? 0.96

02:14:03.000 So a guy walks by, and he goes, oh, you just tapped the card on the car.

02:14:08.000 So I'm out there, like, tapping. 1.00

02:14:11.000 Tapping the fucking car. 0.99

02:14:12.000 You had to tap it on the door handle? 1.00

02:14:13.000 I'm tapping it all over.

02:14:14.000 No, he didn't tell me the little panel right there.

02:14:16.000 Tapping on that. 1.00

02:14:17.000 So I'm tapping the fucking car. 1.00

02:14:18.000 I look like a monkey fucking a football. 1.00

02:14:20.000 And I'm just like, what the hell? 1.00

02:14:22.000 And so finally, the guy walks over and he goes, what are you doing?

02:14:26.000 I said, I'm trying to open the car.

02:14:28.000 So he goes, oh, it's this.

02:14:29.000 He taps it.

02:14:29.000 Car opens.

02:14:30.000 I go in.

02:14:30.000 He goes, hey, thanks very much, man.

02:14:32.000 And he walks away.

02:14:33.000 Do you know how he did it?

02:14:34.000 Did you pay attention?

02:14:35.000 Well, I watched him and he just hit that one spot on the little panel there by the door.

02:14:38.000 And so I was like, okay, got it.

02:14:40.000 So I sat down in the car. 0.99

02:14:41.000 Now I don't have a clue how to start the fucker. 0.99

02:14:44.000 And so I had to Google. 1.00

02:14:46.000 I'm not going to walk back all the way over there and say, look, I'm such an idiot. 0.96

02:14:51.000 So I sat there and I Googled, how do you start a Tesla? 1.00

02:14:54.000 And I had to sit and watch this stupid video. 1.00

02:14:56.000 And it was fine. 1.00

02:14:57.000 And then I will say, I was very impressed.

02:14:59.000 I loved it.

02:15:00.000 It was a great experience.

02:15:01.000 I had never done that before.

02:15:02.000 Bizarre, right?

02:15:03.000 Yeah, right.

02:15:03.000 They're bizarre how fast they are.

02:15:05.000 It was crazy, right?

02:15:06.000 They're bizarre.

02:15:07.000 And then, you know, then you've got to figure out how to charge it, and that was a whole other, you know, go road.

02:15:11.000 Oh, yeah, and then you've got to make sure that there's chargers available.

02:15:14.000 Right. 0.99

02:15:14.000 In some places, there's a fucking line. 0.99

02:15:17.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:15:17.000 You've got to wait an hour to get on that goddamn thing. 1.00

02:15:20.000 Right. 1.00

02:15:20.000 And then you've got to sit in there for an hour. 1.00

02:15:21.000 And we're all going to drive electric vehicles when we don't have the capacity yet.

02:15:25.000 Right.

02:15:26.000 We don't have the grids not ready for it yet.

02:15:27.000 No, no. 0.99

02:15:28.000 Not only that, the fucking source of the minerals is a horror story. 1.00

02:15:32.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:15:33.000 I meant to tell you, there's a great story in Wall Street Journal today. 0.99

02:15:37.000 And I love when they have stories like this, because I'm thinking, no shit, Sherlock. 0.98

02:15:41.000 It's about... 0.93

02:15:43.000 It's about access for the defense industry to magnets, rare earth magnets, which you need for everything.

02:15:53.000 Submarines, F-35s, whatever.

02:15:55.000 Think about what you need it for. 0.98

02:15:56.000 I mean, magnets are also obviously for a variety of everything else, household appliances and shit.

02:16:02.000 92% of rare earth magnets are controlled by China right now, right?

02:16:08.000 Materials and manufacturing.

02:16:10.000 And so now the US is suddenly realizing that they've got an issue because a while back, a handful of years ago, they put in place a law that will actually come into effect in 27 in a big way, which says, you know, no magnets, you know, from China where the materials or the processing or manufacturers in China.

02:16:29.000 So, we don't have the capacity.

02:16:31.000 Why can't we get them after 2027 from China? 0.80

02:16:35.000 Well, that's kind of when they said, that's it, because we want to be in control of something this critical to a variety of things, right?

02:16:42.000 Do we have the capability?

02:16:44.000 Well, yeah, I mean, we do.

02:16:46.000 Look, rare earth, it's interesting, rare earth minerals are not called that because of their rareness, right?

02:16:50.000 They're actually, you know, you could argue critical minerals are more difficult to get your hands on.

02:16:55.000 But it's the refining process that kind of makes them difficult.

02:17:01.000 We can get them.

02:17:02.000 We could have this capacity.

02:17:03.000 We could have had the capacity for years and years and years, but it's the regulatory policies, right?

02:17:09.000 So it's like the mining industry in the States is moribund, right?

02:17:12.000 It's almost dead because, you know, we've put in place so many regulations that say you can't...

02:17:16.000 No, I can't do that.

02:17:17.000 It's bad for the environment. 0.97

02:17:18.000 Well, you know what's worse for the environment is the way they fucking mine these things overseas, right? 0.97

02:17:22.000 Whether it's in China or Africa or wherever else. 0.94

02:17:25.000 And so we've kind of shot ourselves in the foot with this, but they're now starting to catch...

02:17:29.000 Anyway, it's a good article, Wall Street Journal.

02:17:31.000 If they're going to catch on, where do they get these?

02:17:34.000 Is there a place where they can do it, where they don't ruin everything?

02:17:37.000 There's another article I found right below.

02:17:39.000 It's talking about Mountain Pass, which used to be a huge place.

02:17:44.000 If it was oil, it would be considered Saudi Arabia.

02:17:47.000 Is that where the Donner Party died?

02:17:49.000 Yeah, maybe in between California and Nevada.

02:17:51.000 It says right here.

02:17:52.000 Is that where they died?

02:17:52.000 I don't know.

02:17:53.000 The world's number one source of rare earths.

02:17:55.000 Bro.

02:17:56.000 Started in a gold rush and then production changed and things changed.

02:18:01.000 Is it still the number one source?

02:18:03.000 Mountain Pass is arguably the best rare earth asset in the world.

02:18:07.000 Whoa.

02:18:07.000 If it were oil, it would be Saudi Arabia.

02:18:10.000 Well, let's start digging, bitches! 1.00

02:18:12.000 He was talking about the refining of it, and that's what I think this article starts talking about. 0.96

02:18:17.000 So we don't have the refineries available?

02:18:19.000 Yeah, and so they're starting to put money into, whether it's us or the Australians or the Germans or whomever, they're starting to realize.

02:18:26.000 But good news is they've figured this out, but while we were paying attention to whatever we were focused on, China was dominating above 90% and knowing, strategically thinking ahead years ago, thinking what's going to be important.

02:18:41.000 And they're not playing the same game in terms of regulations and environmental concerns and practices.

02:18:46.000 And that's a good thing.

02:18:47.000 We should have environmental concerns.

02:18:49.000 I'm not saying that.

02:18:50.000 No, we certainly should, but China's not having these concerns.

02:18:52.000 No, they don't have it.

02:18:53.000 One of the wildest things that these social media bots Who knows what countries are using these, but there's a lot of them that are being run by foreign countries. 1.00

02:19:05.000 And they'll, a lot of times, be real inflammatory about climate change.

02:19:10.000 And if they're funded by China, while China is building coal plants all the time, don't they have hundreds of new coal plants that they're building?

02:19:18.000 Yeah, opening up, I forget what it was, two a week or so, new coal plants.

02:19:22.000 Crazy!

02:19:23.000 And the EPA just crushed the coal industry here over the past week and a half or so with some new regulations that are going forward in terms of, you know, what you have to reduce your emissions by.

02:19:33.000 Isn't the solution nuclear?

02:19:33.000 Isn't that the solution?

02:19:34.000 I would say the solution is all of the above, right?

02:19:37.000 It's everything, right?

02:19:38.000 And yes, eventually work towards something that makes sense on the green energy front.

02:19:43.000 But yeah, nuclear is certainly a big part of it.

02:19:44.000 But...

02:19:46.000 We get in this mindset.

02:19:48.000 It's like everything else.

02:19:49.000 It's got to be all this or it's got to be all that.

02:19:51.000 It's like the way that we have arguments.

02:19:55.000 But yeah, you're right.

02:19:57.000 People should look at, like if you have an environmental activist group, right?

02:20:03.000 A lot of times they'll want to shut down a mining operation here in the States, right?

02:20:07.000 And it looks like it's a grassroots, it's like the campus protest.

02:20:10.000 It looks like it's a grassroots thing.

02:20:11.000 Oh, it's just a neighborhood organization that's against this idea.

02:20:15.000 Right.

02:20:15.000 You got to dig into it a little bit.

02:20:16.000 And then next thing you know, you find that there's outside elements involved because it's in their best interests.

02:20:21.000 And China's figured this out.

02:20:23.000 We've talked about this before.

02:20:24.000 They figured out that the way to impact the U.S. for their own good was to impact local and state regulations and regulatory policies towards things like mining, right?

02:20:34.000 Because it helps them in their cause to dominate the industry or to dominate whatever that market is that we're talking about.

02:20:42.000 So...

02:20:42.000 You know, again, it's just a matter of, you know, peel back the layers, pay attention, think about what you're doing.

02:20:49.000 I did want to, oh.

02:20:50.000 This article talks about the overbuilding of plants, but they're going to run less frequently to keep their capacity high, and then it's asked, like, why, and that they might just be doing it just in case?

02:21:03.000 In case what?

02:21:05.000 Well, maybe that's their preparing for their electric cars.

02:21:10.000 By the way, China has the most advanced electric car suspension that I've ever even heard of.

02:21:18.000 It's so good that you could drive over speed bumps and you could have glasses balance on the hood.

02:21:27.000 Well, it sounds like that old Saturday Night Live skit where they said the ride was so smooth in the Lincoln you could conduct a circumcision in the back.

02:21:34.000 So they had a rabbi in the back of a Lincoln doing a circumcision to show how smooth the suspension was. 0.85

02:21:41.000 Well, this makes that look like a motorbike, like a motocross bike. 0.99

02:21:46.000 Holy shit. 0.97

02:21:46.000 These things go over everything and they stay flat. 0.97

02:21:50.000 They don't feel anything.

02:21:51.000 The car just stays flat as it's riding over all these bumps.

02:21:54.000 It's nuts.

02:21:55.000 And if you see how it works, like all the different things that are moving around inside of it, all the machinery that they've developed to have this insane suspension, it's crazy.

02:22:06.000 Wow.

02:22:06.000 China is, like, really innovating right now in the field of electric cars.

02:22:12.000 In the field of cars, period.

02:22:14.000 But their electric cars have made massive leaps.

02:22:17.000 Because just a few years ago, I think, Elon dismissed a lot of their electric cars.

02:22:22.000 But now he's like, no, no, no.

02:22:24.000 These are, like, really legitimate.

02:22:25.000 And they've got their version of a Rolls-Royce that's, like, a million dollars, and you can't even get it.

02:22:32.000 Have you seen these Chinese Rolls Royces?

02:22:34.000 They're insane.

02:22:35.000 And part of that is because they've been strategic about locking up critical minerals overseas in terms of getting in there, working with countries to lock up that market and also to dominate completely the refining side of things.

02:22:50.000 Right.

02:22:50.000 They've got the confidence in knowing, you know, where they can take this.

02:22:53.000 And so this is like, okay, we can dominate the EV market, you know, because we've done the hard work ahead of time.

02:22:59.000 Look at this thing.

02:22:59.000 Wow.

02:22:59.000 This is their Chinese version of a Rolls Royce, and it's supposed to be sick.

02:23:04.000 Like, you get inside of you like, oh my god, this car's incredible.

02:23:08.000 But you can't even get them in America.

02:23:09.000 Yeah.

02:23:10.000 I like my Jeep Grand Wagoneer better. 0.75

02:23:12.000 Jeep Grand Wagoneers are great, but I would drive this dope-ass Chinese luxury sled. 1.00

02:23:17.000 This thing looks insane.

02:23:19.000 Hey, you know that thing you sent me about the Manta?

02:23:22.000 Yes.

02:23:23.000 Do you remember that?

02:23:23.000 Yes, yes.

02:23:24.000 That Seab ship.

02:23:26.000 Yeah.

02:23:26.000 That looks like a UFO. It's fantastic.

02:23:30.000 It's that U underwater unmanned vehicle.

02:23:33.000 That's it right there.

02:23:34.000 Yeah, that sounds sick.

02:23:35.000 Yeah.

02:23:36.000 That's what I hope America's making without me knowing with my tax dollars.

02:23:40.000 And we are. 1.00

02:23:42.000 I hope they're making shit like this. 1.00

02:23:44.000 Look at that thing, man. 1.00

02:23:45.000 That is so cool.

02:23:47.000 If you imagined what was going to be the kind of technology that was in 2024 in 1967, that would be right up there.

02:23:57.000 Like a spaceship that they use in the ocean.

02:24:00.000 Yeah.

02:24:00.000 And it's fantastic because you can manufacture thousands of them, right?

02:24:06.000 And they're for very specific purposes.

02:24:08.000 They're long-duration unmanned vehicles underwater.

02:24:12.000 Low power, right?

02:24:14.000 So interesting, they're doing that thing called energy harvesting, but they're getting it from the gradient salinity in the water.

02:24:24.000 Can you explain that?

02:24:26.000 How do they do that?

02:24:27.000 No.

02:24:28.000 I'd like to say that I'm a gradient salinity aficionado, but I'm not.

02:24:33.000 But this is interesting because we're behind the curve In developing, particularly from a naval perspective, these new capabilities.

02:24:42.000 And we're seeing how the drones and the unmanned vehicles from a naval perspective have impacted Ukraine, right?

02:24:49.000 And their ability to attack the Russian Black Sea Fleet.

02:24:52.000 We're seeing what the Houthis are doing with them, right? 0.99

02:24:54.000 And we've been a little slow to the game.

02:24:56.000 And so...

02:24:58.000 It's interesting to watch now that they're developing things like this, which you can take apart and then ship someplace, right?

02:25:03.000 It doesn't need to travel underwater to get to where it's going, right?

02:25:05.000 You just ship it off, you put it together, you assemble it, you put it in, and it's got a variety of uses and it can carry payloads, but it is fascinating.

02:25:14.000 But there's also, we talked about AI, and there's something else that DARPA's been doing, because this is a DARPA-related project as well, is something called ACE. And they've just finished an AI and machine learning dogfight.

02:25:32.000 They've created like X-something, X-62, which isn't...

02:25:37.000 Yeah, so autonomous.

02:25:39.000 Now, you put two guys in there. 0.62

02:25:41.000 There's still pilots in this thing.

02:25:42.000 It's a modified F-16, essentially.

02:25:44.000 You've got two guys in there, but they're not flying it.

02:25:46.000 So they've conducted actual dogfight scenarios against a human crew, an F-16, right?

02:25:54.000 And it's remarkable.

02:25:56.000 This plane is using AI and machine learning to dogfight, basically.

02:26:02.000 And is it winning against people?

02:26:03.000 Yes, yeah.

02:26:04.000 Oh! 0.60

02:26:05.000 And, you know, so you still have a couple of guys in there, but they're just there like an autonomous truck, right?

02:26:10.000 They're just there in case things go wrong, right?

02:26:12.000 They can take control.

02:26:13.000 But it's unbelievable.

02:26:15.000 And in the sensor test, yeah.

02:26:16.000 That is insane.

02:26:17.000 What is the range?

02:26:18.000 Well, in the virtual test, well, it would be the range of an F-16, right?

02:26:22.000 I mean, you've got...

02:26:25.000 So everything that's computing, that's all happening in the computer on the plane?

02:26:31.000 And it's making decisions faster than the human pilot can do it. 0.63

02:26:34.000 It's not connected to the internet at all with Skynet or whatever the fuck that is. 0.96

02:26:39.000 Skynet.

02:26:39.000 What is it called?

02:26:42.000 Oh, Starlink.

02:26:43.000 Starlink. 0.59

02:26:44.000 Skynet, bro.

02:26:45.000 Starlink. 0.59

02:26:46.000 Yeah.

02:26:47.000 But I wanted to bring that up because that is, to me, that's Remarkable.

02:26:51.000 It's insane.

02:26:52.000 That's insane that it's doing it in real time with a jet.

02:26:56.000 It's crazy.

02:26:57.000 But it makes sense.

02:26:58.000 There's no margin for error.

02:26:59.000 It would get it perfect.

02:27:00.000 And the virtual tests that they did, the virtual tests, they were undefeated against humans. 1.00

02:27:06.000 Oh, fuck. 0.99

02:27:07.000 So yeah, you think about what that means down the road. 1.00

02:27:09.000 Okay, so what do you think these drones are that people keep seeing?

02:27:13.000 Or these UAPs, I should say.

02:27:15.000 Some of them they think are drones.

02:27:16.000 They're like hovering over ships.

02:27:18.000 Right.

02:27:19.000 Do you think these are foreign governments? 1.00

02:27:22.000 If China can make electric cars that advanced, and we can make drones that are pretty fucking advanced, what kind of shit do they have? 0.96

02:27:30.000 Well, I think most of that UIP sightings, and I think it's important for them, I'm glad the government and the Defense Department has finally at least come forward to some degree to say, look, we've got an interest in this, we want to investigate, we want to know what these things are, these sightings that we can't readily identify off the bat. 0.98

02:27:47.000 Look, we were tricked out in the Korean War.

02:27:51.000 The Russians, you know, designed the MiG, whatever it was, the MiG-15 maybe, and we had no idea, right?

02:27:56.000 So they'd come out, they'd roll out the MiG-15 against, we were still using, you know, old rotor aircraft from, propeller aircraft from World War II. In Korea at the outset, and we didn't know that the Russians had advanced material science to the point that they had so that they could build something like this.

02:28:16.000 So it would be insane for us to think somehow that the Chinese, you know, who have proven themselves to be brilliant at reverse engineering other people's technology, haven't figured out something else. 0.51

02:28:25.000 So, yeah, there's always this game of trying to understand how advanced they are, and I suspect some of the UAP sightings are definitely, probably Chinese, I don't think the Russians necessarily, but...

02:28:37.000 Not that they wouldn't try or not trying but I suspect the Chinese are further advanced on this and they've stolen a lot of technology from us over the years and we've talked about that but I think a number of the UIP sightings that get listed are just that but that's why they do it that's why they have a An office now that they've admitted to that investigates because it's a national security issue. 0.97

02:28:58.000 You've got to know if a hostile state has created something that we are not aware of, right?

02:29:03.000 Propulsion or material science or whatever it may be.

02:29:05.000 How much of that stuff could be kept secret and for how long do you think?

02:29:09.000 Like, is it equivalent in terms of, like, the physicists that are working on this in China versus the ones that are working on it over here?

02:29:17.000 Like, is it possible that somebody made some sort of a propulsion breakthrough?

02:29:21.000 Well, yeah, anti-gravity or something.

02:29:23.000 Yeah, well, that was the thing.

02:29:24.000 We had this lady that went missing. 1.00

02:29:26.000 Do you know that story?

02:29:27.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:29:31.000 But she was working on an anti-gravity device. 0.92

02:29:34.000 And she went back to China for a little bit and then came back here.

02:29:39.000 There's been some talk about various people, Salvatore Pais and some others, who have been working on supposedly on things similar, various propulsion systems, anti-gravity.

02:29:51.000 How do you change the laws of physics?

02:29:55.000 And I don't know that if...

02:29:59.000 I don't know how long that could be kept secret for, right?

02:30:02.000 Could you keep it secret for a little bit, though?

02:30:04.000 Yeah, yeah, you could.

02:30:05.000 But at some point, you know, it's going to get rolled out and, you know, someone's going to get wind of something.

02:30:09.000 It's human nature.

02:30:11.000 And we're always trying, we're always working just like the Chinese are always working against us. 1.00

02:30:15.000 We're always working to understand what they got.

02:30:17.000 And so, you know, I'm not a big believer that, you know, you keep secrets of an immense nature like that for a long period of time.

02:30:24.000 Well, if they did keep it a secret, if that's what the Tic Tac thing was, that was 2004. It's hard to imagine them having that complex propulsion system that's so alien from what we currently know, and have that 20 years ago and no one hears about it?

02:30:42.000 That's a long time.

02:30:44.000 I've been in conversations with some folks who want to do a new series on UAPs.

02:30:49.000 I keep coming back to that incident and Fravor and the folks that were involved in those sightings as one of those things.

02:30:58.000 A lot of things can be explained away.

02:31:01.000 That one still is a tough one.

02:31:04.000 That's a tough one.

02:31:05.000 There were a lot of eyes on target.

02:31:06.000 Radars and the wingmen.

02:31:08.000 There was a lot of things here that Just the physical movement of it.

02:31:13.000 If all the machinery works, if all the sensors work, if all the detection equipment, if all that stuff is accurate, that thing's doing something that no one's ever even seen before.

02:31:22.000 Oh, no, absolutely.

02:31:23.000 No sign of propulsion system, speed of movement, change of direction.

02:31:27.000 Everything was so bizarre.

02:31:29.000 But that's, again, what we're looking for.

02:31:31.000 And we're moving, and eventually we get in that direction, right?

02:31:34.000 Eventually you have an explainable technology that could create something like that.

02:31:38.000 Right.

02:31:40.000 No, maybe.

02:31:41.000 That's 2004 is so long ago in terms of technology.

02:31:44.000 Yeah, I know, right? 0.96

02:31:46.000 It sounds crazy, but 20 years ago, it was a fucking totally different world. 0.70

02:31:50.000 Well, there's that exponential advancement of technology as you go along and as you create things. 0.81

02:31:54.000 Which is really crazy if that was ours.

02:31:57.000 So if we had something like that in 2004, who, where, what, how, how much Where'd you get the smart guys?

02:32:04.000 I don't think that would have been the case because I think that we wouldn't have heard about it because I think they would have had a classified briefing with Fravor and say, you saw nothing.

02:32:10.000 Don't worry about it.

02:32:11.000 You know, it's all done.

02:32:13.000 Do you think that's the case or do you think they allow some talk about it because a lot of the talk is nutty anyway?

02:32:19.000 A lot of these people that believe in UFOs, I am open-minded about the idea, to a certain extent, but a lot of these people, they could be telling you Bigfoot stories.

02:32:31.000 It's like the same kind of folks. 0.91

02:32:33.000 There's people that just see shit, and it makes their life way more interesting, and then there's people that have really seen those things. 0.96

02:32:42.000 I have good friends that have seen things, that have seen bizarre things. 0.99

02:32:46.000 How did that move that fast?

02:32:48.000 We've talked about that, yeah.

02:32:49.000 And I agree. 0.98

02:32:50.000 I've talked to a couple of pilots that were out in Iraq, and they said, we were flying nighttime, saw shit that we couldn't explain. 0.99

02:32:56.000 We had no idea what the fuck it was over the skies of Iraq while we were on a sortie. 0.96

02:33:00.000 And so, yeah, I'm- Well, then it gets to, like, Tucker Carlson territory. 0.92

02:33:04.000 He believes they're like spiritual beings.

02:33:07.000 Yeah, I'm not sure.

02:33:08.000 He thinks they're like interdimensional travelers or something.

02:33:11.000 Skinwalker Ranch.

02:33:12.000 If that's true, then the world just got so much weirder.

02:33:16.000 Imagine us trying to deny that this whole time, but that's really what was going on.

02:33:19.000 Yeah.

02:33:20.000 Although, you know what?

02:33:21.000 It would help to explain a lot of things, maybe.

02:33:23.000 At least it wouldn't seem like we're...

02:33:26.000 I don't know.

02:33:29.000 You know me.

02:33:30.000 I'm not a conspiracy theorist.

02:33:31.000 I don't believe that people can keep secrets for a long period of time.

02:33:37.000 But what about the Kennedy papers?

02:33:39.000 Well, there is that.

02:33:40.000 Okay.

02:33:41.000 All right.

02:33:41.000 Or the one that we talked about this before, Martin Luther King.

02:33:44.000 Yeah.

02:33:44.000 That's another one.

02:33:46.000 That's the one that if you're going to really dig in, you're never going to shift me off the position that there were state, local officials, federal, whatever, involved in that.

02:33:57.000 It just doesn't make sense still.

02:33:59.000 Some conspiracies are real.

02:34:02.000 Exactly, yeah.

02:34:03.000 Some of them are real.

02:34:04.000 Oh, yeah.

02:34:04.000 Yeah, and you go back to the UIP thing, it'd be insane to say that there's no such thing.

02:34:09.000 My favorite one is the Roswell one, because if that one's real, the Roswell crash of 47. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:34:16.000 I don't know.

02:34:17.000 That one, I'm not, yeah, I don't know.

02:34:20.000 I don't know.

02:34:21.000 Seriously, I don't know.

02:34:22.000 You're looking at me like, you know.

02:34:22.000 It's an interesting one.

02:34:23.000 You just looked at me like, you know.

02:34:24.000 Come on, bro.

02:34:25.000 If you know, you wouldn't tell us.

02:34:26.000 That's the problem.

02:34:27.000 Or would I? No, you wouldn't.

02:34:28.000 You wouldn't be able to.

02:34:29.000 But maybe if you wanted to give me more disinformation, you could give me some nonsense on it.

02:34:35.000 There's a whole segment of society out there that believes that I'm just here to push disinformation.

02:34:39.000 That's my job.

02:34:40.000 Well, you're here because you're a nice guy and you're a smart guy and you actually know what you're talking about.

02:34:44.000 And so I don't.

02:34:46.000 I know what I read and I go, oh my god, what does that mean?

02:34:49.000 And so I can have you in here and you can explain things from a guy who actually understands the conflict.

02:34:53.000 You had the best explanation of what's going on in the Middle East I've heard yet.

02:34:58.000 Well, thank you.

02:34:59.000 Do you mind if I do, now on the heels of that, do you mind if I do a little shameless marketing?

02:35:02.000 Oh, do some shameless marketing. 1.00

02:35:04.000 Okay, so you know, we've got the President's Daily Brief, the podcast.

02:35:08.000 And that started up in September.

02:35:10.000 It's done remarkably well, despite me being the host.

02:35:15.000 So it's every morning, every afternoon, we touch on, we hit the top issues, critical issues of the day, international stories, conflicts, whatever.

02:35:26.000 And because it's done well, that's the weekdays, that they're going to launch a weekend version, extended weekend version, on our YouTube channel.

02:35:35.000 So we're going to video.

02:35:37.000 So, starting Saturday, May 18th, we're going to take the PDB. It's going to still be during the weekdays on Spotify and all your other podcast platforms.

02:35:46.000 But then on Saturday, May 18th, we start with this, the Situation Report.

02:35:49.000 It'll be an extended version on YouTube with video.

02:35:53.000 We're going to have guests, which leads me to my question of, how do you interview guests?

02:36:00.000 But it's going to be great.

02:36:02.000 News, commentary.

02:36:02.000 We're going to have some very interesting people.

02:36:05.000 Same idea.

02:36:06.000 Touching on critical issues and stories.

02:36:08.000 We're going to just stick with the facts.

02:36:09.000 We're going to stay away from opinion, which I think is one of the reasons why the PDB has done well, is that it's 20 minutes in the morning, 10 minutes in the afternoon.

02:36:17.000 We hit the facts.

02:36:19.000 Try to stay away from opinion. 1.00

02:36:20.000 Occasionally, I might make some stupid remark. 0.99

02:36:24.000 But for the most part, it's just a little bit of context. 0.99

02:36:27.000 And then you get on your way.

02:36:28.000 Bob's your uncle.

02:36:29.000 A little bit of personality flavored in with...

02:36:32.000 A little personality.

02:36:33.000 Yeah, I try not to inject too much because nobody wants that.

02:36:36.000 But yeah, it's good.

02:36:38.000 People need to hear these kind of balanced perspectives on things.

02:36:42.000 I think it's very important that you provide it because you're actually a person who really understands these conflicts.

02:36:48.000 Because most of us, the whole idea behind it is so alien.

02:36:52.000 Like, what the hell's going on over there?

02:36:54.000 It takes so long to try to penetrate.

02:36:58.000 Who's funding that?

02:36:59.000 And then Iran is doing what?

02:37:01.000 So why do they want that?

02:37:03.000 Oh, there's accords?

02:37:04.000 What do the accords mean?

02:37:06.000 And what happens?

02:37:06.000 Oh, okay.

02:37:08.000 All that stuff is fucking complicated. 0.96

02:37:10.000 It's hard to find a singular source where you can just sit down and read it all. 0.98

02:37:14.000 And have it all make sense to you.

02:37:15.000 Well, and I think that was the reason why we talked about that.

02:37:19.000 That was the reason why I said, okay, I agreed to do it, was because they said, look, we want to stick with the news, right?

02:37:24.000 We want to try to get back to the old days.

02:37:25.000 Here's the news.

02:37:26.000 And again, there's going to be a little context or analysis in there.

02:37:29.000 But for the most part, just give people what's happening.

02:37:33.000 Tell them what's happening.

02:37:34.000 Don't tell them how to think about it, necessarily.

02:37:36.000 Just tell them what's happening.

02:37:37.000 And the President's Daily Brief's got a great staff.

02:37:40.000 You know, it's not like I'm doing everything.

02:37:42.000 I'm just sort of like the monkey crashing the cymbals together.

02:37:45.000 There's a very unfortunate sort of combining of the people that give you the news with people that think they're activists.

02:37:55.000 You know, or people that think that it's very important that you stick to a very specific narrative and ignore information that's contrary to what your belief system says.

02:38:06.000 Well, if all you do is just say, here's what's happening, right?

02:38:09.000 Here's what we know is happening, right?

02:38:11.000 And you don't try to, again, you don't try to tell people what to think, and you don't try to say, okay, we're going to approach it from a particular point of view and leave out half of what's happening, right?

02:38:20.000 Right.

02:38:21.000 Yeah, so just, and it's like that old thing, you know, there's still some news outlets out there that do a good job of just presenting facts, but most of them, you know, like you pointed, most of them are opinion-based.

02:38:33.000 Right.

02:38:34.000 You know, if you look at...

02:38:35.000 If you sort of look at the...

02:38:38.000 There's a survey that regularly looks at the news in terms of objectivity, right?

02:38:42.000 And it changes somewhat.

02:38:44.000 And interestingly, your show doesn't change much, right?

02:38:48.000 It's always kind of...

02:38:49.000 It's right up there in terms of...

02:38:50.000 Because you're not...

02:38:51.000 You know, other news outlets disappear off of there, or they change position in terms of relative objectivity, right?

02:38:58.000 But yours has been very consistent.

02:38:59.000 But you've got outfits like Fox News or CNN, and they'll drop off the radar, right?

02:39:03.000 Because they become nothing but opinion, right, for a period of time.

02:39:07.000 Then maybe they self-correct, and they realize we need more news, we need more facts.

02:39:11.000 So they'll come back on the survey and come up higher in terms of relative credibility of actual news.

02:39:16.000 So anyway, it goes back to our original story.

02:39:19.000 Everybody's got to be a little bit more careful because it's getting more dangerous out there in terms of disinformation.

02:39:24.000 It's getting weird.

02:39:26.000 It's getting weird when, you know, we've talked about this before, but it's an important number.

02:39:31.000 This guy who used to work for the FBI who analyzed Twitter and said he believed that it was as much as 80% of them were bots.

02:39:41.000 Seriously?

02:39:41.000 Yeah.

02:39:42.000 I did not see that.

02:39:43.000 Pull that up, Jamie.

02:39:44.000 It's crazy, because he might be right, man.

02:39:47.000 Like, there's really sophisticated ones.

02:39:49.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

02:39:50.000 You know, and then there's ones that are very crude.

02:39:52.000 There's ones that are just like a bunch of letters and a bunch of numbers.

02:39:55.000 Right.

02:39:56.000 And it's someone just retweeting like patriotic things.

02:39:59.000 And you know, okay, I know what that is.

02:40:01.000 Top cybersecurity expert claims that more than 80% of Twitter accounts are probably bots.

02:40:09.000 This is 2022. So this was in the process of Elon buying this.

02:40:14.000 All this stuff was going on.

02:40:16.000 So that's interesting.

02:40:17.000 Yeah, they were looking at this and they were saying, like, when did he buy it?

02:40:20.000 I think that's part of the catalyst, I thought, because he wanted to find out how many were bots.

02:40:24.000 Right.

02:40:24.000 But they told him it was 5%, I think.

02:40:28.000 Is that right?

02:40:29.000 You mean old Jack?

02:40:30.000 What's his name?

02:40:30.000 The guy that ran Twitter.

02:40:31.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:40:32.000 But I think Elon felt like they didn't base it on enough of an analysis.

02:40:37.000 They based it on a small number of accounts.

02:40:39.000 I can't imagine it's 80%, right?

02:40:42.000 I can't imagine it's...

02:40:42.000 That sounds crazy.

02:40:43.000 Yeah, it does sound insane.

02:40:45.000 I'm sure it's higher than 5%.

02:40:46.000 It sure sounds insane.

02:40:47.000 Sure sounds higher than 5%, tweeted Musk, along with the tag in the news article.

02:40:51.000 Okay.

02:40:53.000 So Dan Woods, global head of intelligence and cybersecurity company F5, who spent more than 20 years at the U.S. federal law enforcement and intelligence organizations, told The Australian that more than 80% Of Twitter accounts are probably bots.

02:41:07.000 That's so nuts.

02:41:09.000 Yeah, it's somewhere between 5 and 80. Even if he's halfway right, even if it's 50%, let's just say 50, 40. Let's even say 40% is crazy.

02:41:19.000 40% of our bots?

02:41:20.000 And then, but that is, that's probably, you're probably getting to accurate because just the Chinese alone, right, and the Russians, they invest an enormous amount of resource into this because they know it's effective, right,

02:41:35.000 and they know how damaging it can be, and why wouldn't you, right?

02:41:40.000 Why wouldn't you?

02:41:41.000 And this cyber era, you know, it's a way to influence people's opinions.

02:41:46.000 It really is.

02:41:47.000 It's crazy how well it works.

02:41:49.000 Yeah.

02:41:49.000 And if you can just get, like, arguments going on Twitter, you know, people get engaged in those, and you need to, like, start a fire and run away from it.

02:41:57.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:41:59.000 Can I ask you one more question?

02:42:00.000 Yeah.

02:42:02.000 What would be your best advice for interviewing people?

02:42:07.000 Because, like I said, we're starting this show, and it's going to have guests on it.

02:42:11.000 Do you have one thing that you've learned over the years in terms of talking to people and getting the best out of what they say?

02:42:18.000 I think it's just a numbers thing.

02:42:19.000 I don't think it's one thing.

02:42:21.000 I think it's like everything else.

02:42:22.000 You realize when you're being clunky.

02:42:25.000 I do it all the time.

02:42:26.000 I'm like, yeah, I interrupted too quick.

02:42:28.000 I didn't know when to step in, when not to.

02:42:31.000 It happens all the time.

02:42:32.000 And so you always got to try to get the most out of your guest.

02:42:36.000 My idea when I go into a conversation is, I want to talk to, and we're going to talk to each other, but I'm just trying to get the most out of you.

02:42:46.000 I'm trying to encourage what you're saying, just ask more questions.

02:42:50.000 I'm trying to just genuinely engage with what you're saying and get the most out of you.

02:42:54.000 The problem with a lot of people when they host things is generally you want to talk, and so if you want to talk, you start talking.

02:43:01.000 And then sometimes you talk too much, and then the guest doesn't talk enough, and it's a balancing act.

02:43:07.000 But I always go into it with the intention of whatever this person's doing, help them make it the best version of this discussion that I can provide.

02:43:18.000 Yeah.

02:43:18.000 No, I know what you mean about the...

02:43:19.000 Because, like, you go on a news show, and the question is five minutes, you know, and you think, okay, well, that question includes a lot of the talking points that you producers asked me to send to you.

02:43:32.000 So...

02:43:33.000 So, alright then.

02:43:35.000 Okay, that makes sense.

02:43:37.000 Those shows are so limited, man.

02:43:39.000 It's a real problem.

02:43:41.000 Because if this is how most people consume complex information, it's too limited. 0.95

02:43:47.000 Just your explanation of all the shit that's going on with Gaza and Israel, just that alone, that had to take 15 minutes, right? 0.92

02:43:55.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:43:55.000 And you're making these summaries that are easily digestible. 0.98

02:44:01.000 And they'll say, okay, we've got 30 seconds left.

02:44:05.000 How are they going to solve the problem in Gaza?

02:44:07.000 Jesus Christ!

02:44:09.000 So crazy!

02:44:10.000 It's just like that format of a limited amount of time to talk about complex things.

02:44:15.000 In this day and age, it just doesn't really make sense anymore.

02:44:18.000 But it's how people, I mean, whether it's that or whether it's the, you know, I get my news from TikTok, I get my news from X. No, that's the way to get it.

02:44:24.000 TikTok's the way to get it.

02:44:26.000 They're going to be the most honest.

02:44:28.000 When you find out the difference between American TikTok and Chinese TikTok, Chinese TikTok's doing it right. 1.00

02:44:34.000 It's all like science achievements, athletic performances, martial arts.

02:44:39.000 There's no way that the Xi regime would never let their youth get on American TikTok.

02:44:44.000 You think you could be a dude giving makeup tutorials on Chinese TikTok? 0.99

02:44:49.000 They'll fucking find you. 0.99

02:44:51.000 They'll find you. 1.00

02:44:53.000 No, it's true.

02:44:54.000 And so that's always a thing when I talk to my kids about it.

02:44:58.000 I always tell them, don't use TikTok.

02:45:00.000 Don't get on TikTok.

02:45:02.000 They're gonna do it.

02:45:03.000 They're gonna do it.

02:45:04.000 Their friends are on it.

02:45:05.000 Everybody's on it.

02:45:06.000 It's crack.

02:45:07.000 Yeah, it is.

02:45:08.000 Those kids are cracked out.

02:45:10.000 It's an incredible time suck, which again, they know. 0.87

02:45:13.000 The Chinese regime knows.

02:45:14.000 They understand this.

02:45:15.000 But think about TikTok in terms of its disinformation capabilities going into an election.

02:45:19.000 And the White House has a problem, right?

02:45:21.000 Because the Biden campaign team has been using TikTok.

02:45:24.000 And at the same time, they're trying to say, we shouldn't use TikTok.

02:45:27.000 I think it's a danger.

02:45:28.000 It's a national security issue.

02:45:30.000 But we found it very effective for reaching the young market, right?

02:45:33.000 And so they have no grounds to stand on when they talk about a national security issue.

02:45:38.000 They got a problem.

02:45:39.000 They got to figure that one out.

02:45:41.000 Again, not to get overly political, but...

02:45:43.000 They're dancing with the devil.

02:45:44.000 Yeah, you made a deal with Xi.

02:45:46.000 Xi, sorry.

02:45:47.000 That's the thing, is if there's this little dance, they can make you more effective and make your opponents less effective.

02:45:54.000 That's a crazy manipulation of the way people think about things.

02:45:59.000 You don't think that that's true, but it's just like, what...

02:46:03.000 What percentage of what side are you getting?

02:46:05.000 If you're getting like 80% of your information that's very specific to one ideology, that's not good for anybody.

02:46:13.000 And kids aren't thinking about that.

02:46:14.000 It's been a progression, right?

02:46:15.000 It used to be from The Daily Show with Jon Stewart.

02:46:17.000 That's where young people were getting their news, right?

02:46:19.000 Now they've aged out, and now young people are turning to TikTok, and they're getting their news.

02:46:24.000 And they're not thinking, okay, of course they're not thinking about it.

02:46:27.000 They're not thinking, I wonder if the Chinese regime is constructing this in a certain way.

02:46:32.000 But of course they are.

02:46:33.000 And of course they understand.

02:46:36.000 And that's really the danger.

02:46:37.000 People talk about the danger of TikTok as their ability to harvest personal information.

02:46:42.000 And that's a problem to some degree.

02:46:44.000 But the bigger problem is 170 million American users of TikTok...

02:46:49.000 Being vulnerable and reachable by a Chinese regime that does not have our best interests at heart, by any means, right? 0.96

02:46:55.000 So that's the bigger issue, I think, rather than the harvesting of personal data, which Amazon and Google and everybody else, how it has it, right? 0.99

02:47:02.000 They got all that shit.

02:47:03.000 So it's not, you know, yes, it's a hostile regime, and yes, they're harvesting your data, but, you know, I think it's more of the disinformation campaign and the potential for that that is the problem with TikTok. 0.99

02:47:16.000 Because if you can't control...

02:47:19.000 Like if rather if you can control if you can control exactly what percentage of stuff gets out like if someone if you can limit someone's reach Like if someone posts something and it's some right-wing philosophy And they post that and they immediately tag it as such and limit its reach.

02:47:39.000 But then you take the other one and you expand its reach, whatever the contrary position is, and you promote it and you push it out everywhere.

02:47:47.000 How much of an effect does that have on young people?

02:47:50.000 And that's the whole point of the game anyway, is, you know, you're suppressing and you're promoting, and again, you're doing it to an audience for the most part that is very vulnerable.

02:48:01.000 And so, yeah, again, I don't know that they're going to ban TikTok.

02:48:06.000 Somebody's going to come in and view that as an opportunity buy, right?

02:48:09.000 And I think, so, they will be able to sell it, even though right now ByteDance is saying, absolutely not, we're not going to sell it, you know?

02:48:16.000 I think they probably will, right?

02:48:18.000 I don't see them banning it from app stores.

02:48:22.000 So, I mean, think about the angst that would create amongst the tweens and the teens.

02:48:26.000 Well, I think the fear is the language that's being used here, though, too, right?

02:48:31.000 That this could be interpreted as the ability to censor other social media sites.

02:48:36.000 Sure, sure.

02:48:36.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:48:37.000 And that you really can't give the government that power, especially based on what they saw in the Twitter files.

02:48:44.000 Yeah.

02:48:44.000 You can't just suppress.

02:48:47.000 If you're looking to suppress accurate information because you don't like what you think that's going to do for an election, that doesn't seem like you should be able to do that.

02:48:57.000 This seems like that's not good.

02:49:00.000 Don't do that.

02:49:01.000 If you develop an organization that is allowed to do that to all of social media by law, You're in territory that's real slippery now because it's just so ripe for corruption.

02:49:15.000 Right.

02:49:16.000 And it always goes back to this, which you talked about before, which is this idea that, well, okay, if one president can do this to another former president, then the next one goes, the next one goes, and it's the same problem, right?

02:49:26.000 Hey, it maybe sounds good to us right now to censor something or to suppress something.

02:49:32.000 But we're not going to be in charge forever, unless they've figured that out, how they can be in charge forever.

02:49:38.000 It's so dangerous.

02:49:39.000 It's so dangerous that it's so ubiquitous.

02:49:43.000 It's so everywhere.

02:49:44.000 And you don't know how much of what people are seeing is being manipulated.

02:49:49.000 Right.

02:49:50.000 Right. 0.98

02:49:50.000 Well, again, not to beat a dead horse, but if people could take away one idea, it's incumbent upon you, whether it's for you or whether it's for the sake of your kids, to be curious and to actually make the fucking effort. 0.98

02:50:06.000 To understand what it is that you're seeing and reading and hearing.

02:50:09.000 And, yes, it takes time and, you know, maybe it sounds daunting and you'd rather have the government do it, right?

02:50:15.000 But that's not a good idea, right?

02:50:19.000 I think it comes down to individual responsibility, like a lot of things in life.

02:50:23.000 And I don't know that I'm optimistic about that as being the solution.

02:50:28.000 I don't see another way around it, right?

02:50:31.000 I mean you we can detect we can we can create apps to Protect and be proactive you can do all those things which are incredibly important But ultimately it comes down to the individual and if they don't take it upon themselves Yeah to go back to our earlier point then you know fucked yeah well I have hope Look at you!

02:50:55.000 Look at you!

02:50:56.000 Glass half full.

02:50:58.000 I'm a half full kind of guy these days.

02:51:00.000 I feel like...

02:51:01.000 That's because you got kids.

02:51:02.000 It's also because I know that most people are good people.

02:51:07.000 And that I think people get swept up in madness.

02:51:10.000 And I think they get swept up in tribalism.

02:51:13.000 And that's a real problem with someone that's as polarizing as Trump.

02:51:17.000 Right?

02:51:17.000 Yeah.

02:51:18.000 And it's a real problem because you have to accept the nonsense that Biden is okay. 0.98

02:51:23.000 If you're on the left, like both of them are like, they lock up like the fucking Dolphins versus the Raiders. 0.97

02:51:30.000 And then people get on teams, man. 1.00

02:51:32.000 They're like, fuck the Dolphins! 1.00

02:51:34.000 That's what it is. 1.00

02:51:35.000 It's just people get super fucking tribal. 0.98

02:51:39.000 It's in our nature. 0.98

02:51:40.000 We have to fight to avoid it.

02:51:42.000 Yeah, and the more extreme that you get on one side, the more extreme the other side gets.

02:51:46.000 Because they think, look, and again, you get this notion that I'm saving the country, one side or the other, right?

02:51:52.000 Both sides.

02:51:52.000 The hard edges of both sides feel like they're the ones that are trying to save the country.

02:51:57.000 Yeah, and they have to win, just like they want the Yankees to win!

02:52:01.000 It's really like that.

02:52:02.000 It becomes the number one team.

02:52:04.000 It's the biggest sport.

02:52:06.000 And, you know, that's why it's important to have a big personality. 1.00

02:52:09.000 It's part of the whole stupidity of it all. 1.00

02:52:12.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:52:12.000 And AI is going to save us from that. 1.00

02:52:14.000 You think that?

02:52:15.000 Yeah.

02:52:15.000 You don't believe that.

02:52:16.000 AI is going to take over.

02:52:17.000 It's going to be a much better government.

02:52:19.000 It's going to be a much better government.

02:52:20.000 It won't even be controlled at all by people.

02:52:22.000 It runs on its own algorithm that it created after it realized the flaws.

02:52:26.000 The way human beings are processing reality.

02:52:29.000 Do you know what the US government's trying to do right now?

02:52:32.000 They're trying to get China and Russia to sign up to an agreement, essentially an international treaty, that would ensure that AI does not alone run nuclear weapons systems, right?

02:52:45.000 And there's no treaty that prevents that right now.

02:52:49.000 There's no treaty that prevents Taking the humans out of that decision-making process. 1.00

02:52:56.000 Oh my god.

02:52:57.000 So, I mean the Russians did during the Soviet Union days.

02:52:59.000 So they're gonna be playing like some kind of crazy World War chess game.

02:53:02.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:53:03.000 With supercomputers.

02:53:04.000 Yeah, but right now, the U.S. is committed to this idea that we're not going to take the human out, but the Russians and Chinese have not. 0.98

02:53:11.000 No one's going to commit to that.

02:53:13.000 Why would you commit to the best weapon of all time?

02:53:15.000 We already said that these fighter pilots can't compete with these things that are AI controlled.

02:53:22.000 That's nuts.

02:53:23.000 Yeah.

02:53:23.000 It's a problem.

02:53:25.000 I was about to say that.

02:53:26.000 There's a statement of the obvious. 1.00

02:53:27.000 Top Gun 3 is fucked. 0.99

02:53:29.000 What are they going to do? 1.00

02:53:31.000 What is Top Gun 3 going to do?

02:53:32.000 I didn't see Top Gun 2. Well, you're un-American, sir. 1.00

02:53:35.000 Did you watch it?

02:53:36.000 I watched a little bit of it.

02:53:40.000 It was fun.

02:53:41.000 It was fun.

02:53:42.000 I wasn't in the mood to lock in that vibration.

02:53:46.000 I know.

02:53:47.000 It's a fun kind of movie, though.

02:53:48.000 It was a one-time.

02:53:49.000 For me, Top Gun was kind of a one-time... 0.98

02:53:52.000 TopCon was fucking great. 0.98

02:53:53.000 It was a great movie. 0.99

02:53:54.000 It was great.

02:53:54.000 Goose, God.

02:53:55.000 Yeah.

02:53:56.000 And I will say, I'm very impressed with Carl.

02:53:59.000 I haven't heard him snore this entire show.

02:54:01.000 He's kept it together today.

02:54:03.000 God, he's a cute dog.

02:54:04.000 He's the cutest.

02:54:05.000 Yeah.

02:54:06.000 All right.

02:54:07.000 Mike, anything else?

02:54:08.000 No, man. 0.79

02:54:09.000 He sufficiently scared the shit out of us.

02:54:12.000 I'm sorry about that, man.

02:54:13.000 Like you always do.

02:54:14.000 But again, we have hope.

02:54:16.000 This is always a pleasure, man.

02:54:17.000 I love this, and I've said it before, but...

02:54:20.000 You know, the time flies by.

02:54:22.000 You sit down and you think, I don't know.

02:54:23.000 I don't know if I've got enough to say in the time here.

02:54:25.000 And you always, you know, yeah, you always take it someplace.

02:54:29.000 Like the Kendrick Lamar thing. 0.69

02:54:31.000 I'm still fucking worried about that. 0.92

02:54:33.000 Yeah, I hope they hug it out. 0.97

02:54:35.000 All right.

02:54:35.000 Thank you, Mike.

02:54:36.000 I appreciate you people.

02:54:37.000 Bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience - May 08, 2024

Joe Rogan Experience #2147 - Mike Baker

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