The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2150 - Greg Overton

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00:00:12.000 What's up?

00:00:13.000 What's up, bro?

00:00:14.000 Good to see you, my friend.

00:00:15.000 Good to see you.

00:00:16.000 Pull up to the microphone so other people can hear you.

00:00:19.000 So people can hear me and see me.

00:00:20.000 Have you ever done a podcast?

00:00:21.000 Yeah, you have done a podcast.

00:00:22.000 I've listened to you on podcasts.

00:00:23.000 I've done.

00:00:24.000 Oh, you did?

00:00:24.000 Yeah, I listened to you on some podcast.

00:00:26.000 I was shooting arrows in my backyard, and some podcast came up, and it said Greg Overton. 0.99

00:00:32.000 I'm like, get the fuck out of here. 0.99

00:00:34.000 My man. 1.00

00:00:35.000 See, I'm doing all kinds of shit. 1.00

00:00:36.000 All kinds of shit. 1.00

00:00:37.000 My boy Justin, who's from Pittsburgh. 1.00

00:00:40.000 What's up, Justin?

00:00:41.000 He does the Curious Jones podcast.

00:00:43.000 And we also do those Zippos.

00:00:46.000 He does those.

00:00:47.000 So, Lit Zips.

00:00:51.000 Curious Jones podcast.

00:00:52.000 He's a cool dude.

00:00:53.000 We got one of those right here.

00:00:54.000 Yeah.

00:00:55.000 The Black Dragon Samurai.

00:00:56.000 Yeah, this is the samurai that we have outside next to the...

00:00:59.000 Did you see the actual samurai armor? 0.99

00:01:01.000 Yeah, fucking crazy. 0.99

00:01:02.000 And the sword, dude. 1.00

00:01:04.000 And the sword.

00:01:04.000 The sword is even older than the armor.

00:01:06.000 The armor is from the 1800s, but the sword is from the 1500s.

00:01:09.000 So that's right before the Sengoku Jidai, the time of the country at war, the 300 years where they're at war.

00:01:19.000 I'm trying to think, did it begin in the 1500s?

00:01:22.000 I don't have any knowledge of that.

00:01:23.000 Can you look that up, the Sengoku Jidai?

00:01:26.000 Pull that microphone up. 0.83

00:01:27.000 Keep it like a fist from your face.

00:01:28.000 There you go. 0.74

00:01:29.000 All right.

00:01:32.000 So I first found out about...

00:01:33.000 I don't even remember what year it was, man.

00:01:36.000 I remember I was with my family.

00:01:38.000 I was in Salt Lake, and we were walking by this gallery. 1.00

00:01:42.000 And there was this fucking dope painting. 0.99

00:01:44.000 It's a huge painting of this Native American guy with a buffalo skull that had a bullet hole in the head. 1.00

00:01:50.000 And I was like, God...

00:01:52.000 And I was trying to figure out, where can I put that? 0.99

00:01:53.000 Where can I put that fucking thing? 0.99

00:01:55.000 And I snoozed. 1.00

00:01:57.000 I snoozed and I loosed.

00:01:58.000 And then it got bought.

00:02:00.000 But I didn't lose.

00:02:04.000 Dude, it's an interesting story.

00:02:06.000 And I'll just tell you, I was shown with this other gallery for a long time that that same painting was in the back room and they weren't really giving me my props, which is what people will do if they just want to keep you at a certain level.

00:02:22.000 So do they do that to keep your prices down?

00:02:25.000 They do that so you don't leave the gallery so you don't get too big for the gallery.

00:02:28.000 Oh, so you don't go off on your own like you did. 1.00

00:02:32.000 But no, I'm loyal as fuck, dude. 0.99

00:02:33.000 I'm still at the galleries that were cool. 0.99

00:02:36.000 You know what I mean?

00:02:36.000 If the people hook me up, I'm going to hook them up.

00:02:38.000 I'm going to stay there.

00:02:39.000 You know what I mean?

00:02:41.000 But I just wasn't getting my due at this other gallery, so I decided...

00:02:46.000 How long had you been painting for at the time?

00:02:48.000 I mean, professionally, I think about 16 years.

00:02:52.000 Wow.

00:02:53.000 But, you know, I've been doing it since I was a kid, semi-professional.

00:02:56.000 Just always?

00:02:57.000 Yeah.

00:02:58.000 Always doing art.

00:02:59.000 And when did you get, I want to say obsessed, that's the right word, right?

00:03:03.000 When I was born.

00:03:04.000 With Native American culture.

00:03:05.000 Yeah.

00:03:06.000 I mean...

00:03:07.000 From the time you were little.

00:03:08.000 There was books in my grandparents' house.

00:03:10.000 Like, one of them was called Fighting Indians of the West. 0.65

00:03:13.000 And then there was, like, Russell and Remington books, the painters.

00:03:18.000 And so I just look at these photos of, like, Sitting Bull and...

00:03:23.000 I wasn't going to say Crazy Horse, but no photos of Crazy Horse, but, like, Geronimo and shit like that. 0.65

00:03:28.000 And I just saw a look in their eye, like... 0.95

00:03:31.000 A wild person.

00:03:33.000 Somebody who wasn't trapped by the system.

00:03:36.000 You know what I mean?

00:03:37.000 And as a little kid, I just knew that was better.

00:03:42.000 I knew it was powerful.

00:03:42.000 I just really loved that culture.

00:03:44.000 Just connected to it.

00:03:45.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:03:45.000 It is so fascinating that so many Native Americans who got captured and put into the reservation systems and then eventually integrated with Western culture fucking hated it. 0.98

00:04:01.000 But when Western people, either when they were young, if they got kidnapped, or if they integrated with the tribes, like a lot of trappers and a lot of people integrated with the tribes, when they tried to bring them back to Western society, they all wanted to leave. 0.98

00:04:17.000 They're like, get me the fuck out of here.

00:04:20.000 Like, I don't want to do this.

00:04:21.000 It's like, we have this idea that cities, and especially back then, I mean, you're talking about cities in the 1800s, That somehow or another it was better.

00:04:31.000 You know, we always have the idea that progress in terms of like what's going on right now is better than what was going on before.

00:04:40.000 We always have that in our head that we're doing it.

00:04:43.000 It doesn't seem to ring true to the human spirit.

00:04:47.000 There's something about human beings that they absolutely prefer that life.

00:04:53.000 Yeah, I mean, dude, you are more of a human being if you're living that life.

00:04:58.000 If you're living a life in a city where you have to go do something you don't want to do, and you have to go hang out with people, it's like your tribe is your tribe.

00:05:07.000 You belong there.

00:05:08.000 It's a totally...

00:05:11.000 Just simpler, better, more real way of life.

00:05:15.000 I think that thing that you just said, too, about your tribe, because too many people today, their tribe is not someone they chose.

00:05:23.000 Their tribe is just people that they're stuck with because they're working with them.

00:05:28.000 You know, if you're working, like, if you're a married person, you're a married couple, and you both work, you're both with other people at least eight hours a day.

00:05:38.000 How long are you together?

00:05:40.000 You're together for a few hours at night and then you go to sleep.

00:05:42.000 Yeah.

00:05:43.000 You're tired.

00:05:44.000 It's not a quality way of life.

00:05:46.000 But it's not the people you chose.

00:05:48.000 It's the people that your occupation chose or the opportunity for employment chose. 1.00

00:05:54.000 And then you got to deal with these fucking schmucks in your office. 1.00

00:05:58.000 I've been very fortunate. 1.00

00:06:00.000 I never had to work in an office my whole life.

00:06:02.000 I dodged office life. 0.98

00:06:04.000 But I've had a lot of people that I worked with that were fucking annoying, man. 0.99

00:06:08.000 Just got in your way. 0.98

00:06:10.000 They're always there. 1.00

00:06:12.000 They're always fucking imposing their bullshit on you. 1.00

00:06:14.000 And if you're a person that works in an office, especially if you have a bunch of bosses, the boss-employee relationship is so often abused. 1.00

00:06:25.000 It's such an abusive...

00:06:27.000 Place to be where you have this person that gets to tell you what to do and make you sometimes work on weekends and make you stay overtime and upset at you if you do X, Y, or Z, which forces you to have the same ideological beliefs as them,

00:06:48.000 forces you to have the same political beliefs as them.

00:06:51.000 Crazy.

00:06:51.000 It reminds me of that movie Office Space.

00:06:53.000 Yes, exactly. 1.00

00:06:55.000 That's what I think our country is almost like right now, is that motherfucker Milton. 0.99

00:07:00.000 You remember him? 1.00

00:07:01.000 They're always kind of pushing him to the side, seeing how much shit he'll put up with. 0.99

00:07:05.000 He's not the stapler guy, right? 0.99

00:07:07.000 That's Steven Root.

00:07:08.000 Yeah, that's my man.

00:07:09.000 Where he's just like... 1.00

00:07:11.000 How much shit will these motherfuckers put up with? 1.00

00:07:14.000 And that's your life in an office. 1.00

00:07:17.000 And you're taught as a kid, going to high school, if you do a good job here, you get to have an office job. 0.99

00:07:23.000 That's what you're fucking shooting for? 0.97

00:07:25.000 Yeah, and you're working all day at school to try to do that. 0.99

00:07:29.000 It's very complicated, man.

00:07:31.000 Trying to get through the...

00:07:34.000 Education aspect of your childhood and the indoctrination aspect, because that's what it is.

00:07:39.000 It's indoctrinating you into believing that the only way that you can get by in this life is to become a part of this exact same system.

00:07:47.000 So this is why school is structured like that.

00:07:50.000 I mean, it's structured like that to teach you, but it's also structured like that where you're sitting down in front of people.

00:07:55.000 All day long, learning things that you don't want to learn, being forced to be immobile when you're a child and you're literally just a hummingbird of energy.

00:08:05.000 I know, those little desks.

00:08:06.000 Oh, it's so bad for you.

00:08:08.000 The inside, fluorescent lights when I was a kid, terrible for you.

00:08:12.000 The whole thing, bad for you.

00:08:13.000 Bad feeling.

00:08:14.000 I couldn't wait to run away from it.

00:08:16.000 Like, everything, every fiber of my being was opposed to it. 1.00

00:08:19.000 But they had everyone convinced That if you didn't do this this way, you're gonna be a fucking loser. 1.00

00:08:26.000 And that's what I was convinced. 1.00

00:08:28.000 I was convinced I was going to be a loser. 1.00

00:08:30.000 So I was like, I've got to figure out a way to make money outside of regular jobs because I'm a fucking loser. 0.99

00:08:35.000 I can't do a regular job. 0.99

00:08:37.000 I've got to do a loser job. 0.99

00:08:39.000 I have to be a loser. 0.99

00:08:40.000 I have to be a construction worker. 0.99

00:08:41.000 I have to do something else. 0.99

00:08:42.000 I have to do something that's outside the norm because I can't fucking do this. 0.98

00:08:47.000 I can't sit down. 0.96

00:08:49.000 I have too much energy.

00:08:51.000 I'm so bored.

00:08:53.000 And it's also a terrible way to learn things.

00:08:56.000 Like, the best way to learn things is things you enjoy.

00:09:00.000 Things you enjoy.

00:09:01.000 And then if you learn that you do something that you enjoy and you really get good at it, you go, oh, I can apply that to everything.

00:09:09.000 I can apply that to all things in life.

00:09:11.000 But they don't teach you that. 0.99

00:09:12.000 They teach you you gotta fucking sit still. 0.99

00:09:15.000 You gotta pay attention. 1.00

00:09:16.000 You gotta memorize some nonsense. 1.00

00:09:18.000 You gotta do some shit. 1.00

00:09:20.000 Do these fucking calculations that make no sense to you. 1.00

00:09:23.000 Like, you gotta memorize these fucking people, a distorted version of the actual history, you know, which is almost always what they're teaching. 0.99

00:09:31.000 Some weird distortion written by the winners. 1.00

00:09:35.000 And if you don't do that, you're a loser. 0.99

00:09:38.000 We have such a goofy society. 0.99

00:09:41.000 Yeah, but dude, we made it. 0.97

00:09:44.000 We were born into it.

00:09:47.000 Our ancestors made it.

00:09:50.000 Maybe they were trying to do the right thing.

00:09:52.000 Maybe they had good intentions.

00:09:54.000 Maybe.

00:09:54.000 We don't know.

00:09:55.000 But it turns out, it's fucking stupid. 1.00

00:09:57.000 Why do we keep doing it? 1.00

00:09:58.000 I think it's industry tricked everybody.

00:10:00.000 Industry gave people jobs.

00:10:02.000 Jobs are easy.

00:10:03.000 You know, you need to feed people.

00:10:04.000 You need to eat.

00:10:05.000 You need to have a roof over your head.

00:10:07.000 Okay, here's a job.

00:10:08.000 This way I can get a roof over my head.

00:10:09.000 Especially these people that came over like my grandparents did.

00:10:12.000 They came over from Italy. 1.00

00:10:14.000 It's like these fucking... 1.00

00:10:15.000 They didn't know what the hell was going on. 1.00

00:10:17.000 They didn't know what was going on.

00:10:18.000 They were just like, what am I going to do?

00:10:19.000 I've got to feed myself.

00:10:20.000 Get a job.

00:10:21.000 Get a job.

00:10:22.000 So everybody gets a job.

00:10:23.000 You've got to get a job.

00:10:24.000 Get a job.

00:10:25.000 Get a job.

00:10:26.000 You've got to eat. 0.99

00:10:26.000 Because the reality of life then, in the 1920s, everybody was fucking starving to death. 0.99

00:10:33.000 People were starving. 0.98

00:10:34.000 Dudes weighed 100 pounds.

00:10:35.000 No one had food.

00:10:36.000 It was a real possibility that you could starve to death in America.

00:10:40.000 People were, like, real poor.

00:10:42.000 Real poor in, like, the 1920s.

00:10:44.000 And so they all just did it.

00:10:46.000 And now we're still doing it. 1.00

00:10:47.000 And everyone's fucking miserable. 0.98

00:10:49.000 And then everyone gets to... 0.99

00:10:50.000 Not everyone, obviously.

00:10:51.000 You're not miserable.

00:10:52.000 I'm not miserable.

00:10:53.000 Well, like the people that have to...

00:10:54.000 We dodged it. 0.93

00:10:54.000 Everyone stuck in that trap is miserable. 0.93

00:10:57.000 They fucking hate their bosses. 1.00

00:10:58.000 They hate the corporation. 1.00

00:11:00.000 Can't wait to get out and talk shit about them. 0.99

00:11:02.000 And they're pissed off at people that got out of it. 0.99

00:11:05.000 Oh, yeah.

00:11:06.000 You know?

00:11:06.000 Or people that are free of it.

00:11:08.000 They don't like people that are free of it.

00:11:10.000 I was having this conversation with my kids about podcasters and influencers.

00:11:16.000 They were talking about, this girl, she's making millions of dollars. 1.00

00:11:20.000 Here's how you have to think about that.

00:11:21.000 It seems ridiculous that she's doing that, but she has a product.

00:11:25.000 Whatever that product is, she's making videos or TikToks or what have you. 1.00

00:11:29.000 Someone's consuming that product.

00:11:30.000 She's a business person.

00:11:32.000 It's just the business is ridiculously easy to get into, and the product is nonsense.

00:11:39.000 But the thing is... 1.00

00:11:40.000 But you gotta hand it to her for selling some bullshit. 1.00

00:11:42.000 She got lucky. 1.00

00:11:42.000 She got born in the right time. 1.00

00:11:44.000 I mean, if that lady was born in the 1970s, she'd be fucked. 1.00

00:11:46.000 But she's not, you know? 0.98

00:11:48.000 But then you also have to deal with, like, from a psychologist's perspective.

00:11:52.000 If you talk to psychologists about growing up in this time, it's one of the most challenging times.

00:11:57.000 Because people are inundated by other people's lives.

00:12:00.000 You're inundated by these people driving cars you couldn't imagine driving, living in these crazy homes, flashing money, wearing all these designer clothes.

00:12:09.000 Everybody's got a filter on so their skin looks perfect.

00:12:12.000 They look way more beautiful than they do in real life. 0.98

00:12:15.000 And you're like, God damn, what is life? 0.90

00:12:18.000 What do I have to aspire to? 0.99

00:12:21.000 What am I looking for?

00:12:22.000 What am I going to get out of this?

00:12:25.000 You don't have meaning.

00:12:27.000 You don't have a sense of belonging that you make a difference. 1.00

00:12:31.000 That's a fucking empty, sad life, dude. 1.00

00:12:33.000 Yeah, it's a suck life. 1.00

00:12:35.000 As opposed to the life that you're living, a life of an artist, like a life that, you know, you labor at these pieces that you make, and then people stand in front of them and go, like, dude, that one that you made for me, the one with the guy's got all the face paint, 0.97

00:12:55.000 like...

00:12:56.000 Like a gray and black face paint on.

00:12:58.000 Do you know the one I'm talking about?

00:13:00.000 Dreamer, yeah.

00:13:00.000 Yes, dude.

00:13:02.000 That one's in my library. 1.00

00:13:04.000 When people walk in there, they go, oh, shit. 0.99

00:13:07.000 I'm going, yeah, right? 1.00

00:13:08.000 Look at that thing. 0.92

00:13:08.000 You can stare at that painting. 0.92

00:13:10.000 You can stare at it for hours like, whoa.

00:13:13.000 It's huge.

00:13:14.000 There's so much going on in it.

00:13:15.000 That's what you have to do. 0.95

00:13:17.000 If you're gonna actually say I'm an artist, it has to stop motherfuckers in their tracks and kind of wake them up a little bit and then they can't even stop thinking about it the rest of the day because it's like... 0.92

00:13:29.000 Has anybody ever done that to a Jackson Pollock? 0.97

00:13:32.000 I mean, not unless they're on a lot of drugs.

00:13:36.000 Maybe that's what I'm missing.

00:13:38.000 Maybe it's like a dead concert.

00:13:40.000 I didn't take enough LSD. You gotta hop on the train.

00:13:43.000 I guarantee you the dead sounds way better if you're frying.

00:13:46.000 Oh, I bet if you're frying it's amazing.

00:13:48.000 I bet it's amazing.

00:13:50.000 Can you find that painting, Jamie?

00:13:55.000 No, that's one that I have too.

00:13:56.000 I don't know if you're talking about Soul Catcher or Dreamer.

00:13:58.000 Yeah, Soul Catcher.

00:13:59.000 I have that one in my house too.

00:14:01.000 That one's dope too. 0.99

00:14:04.000 That's the one, bro. 1.00

00:14:06.000 Fucking Soul Catcher. 0.99

00:14:07.000 And that thing is massive. 1.00

00:14:09.000 That's a massive painting.

00:14:12.000 It's huge, and it's sitting in my library.

00:14:16.000 You can't really see all the detail on it that good, because it's like a JPEG, and it's kind of, when you blow it up, you can't see as much detail.

00:14:23.000 Yeah, it's not that high resolution.

00:14:24.000 But you know, when you look at the snake scales, dude.

00:14:27.000 Oh, the snake scales, but really the thing that gets me is always his face.

00:14:31.000 Just the close-up of his face with all the paint and the cracked paint. 0.99

00:14:37.000 Fuck, I love that painting. 0.99

00:14:38.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:14:39.000 You put your soul into it, and it speaks.

00:14:43.000 It's alive.

00:14:43.000 Yeah, it speaks.

00:14:45.000 That one speaks.

00:14:46.000 That one speaks.

00:14:47.000 That's what art is, though.

00:14:49.000 It's speaking without words.

00:14:52.000 It's communicating through this...

00:14:54.000 I mean, it's the most archaic language that we have, like those cave drawings and stuff.

00:14:59.000 Probably language wasn't that advanced when they were doing that, but they wanted to say something profound, you know what I mean?

00:15:05.000 Like, they didn't have...

00:15:07.000 Like books and poems and all that.

00:15:09.000 They weren't advanced as far as writing stuff down.

00:15:13.000 So they'd write it down in like a pictograph.

00:15:17.000 And that's how they would communicate those deeper truths.

00:15:20.000 And if you look at those cave drawings, they have the same themes.

00:15:26.000 You know, have you looked at those?

00:15:28.000 You know what I'm talking about?

00:15:28.000 I've looked at a lot of them, yeah.

00:15:29.000 They have a hunter, and he's kind of with the animals. 0.99

00:15:33.000 They're going along, and then there's like this big tall motherfucker with a space helmet on or something. 0.99

00:15:39.000 There's a lot of those. 0.99

00:15:40.000 Yeah.

00:15:41.000 Explain that.

00:15:42.000 Yeah.

00:15:42.000 Well, I mean, I don't know if I have to.

00:15:44.000 You have to just look at the fucking thing. 0.99

00:15:46.000 They explained it. 1.00

00:15:47.000 Well, I don't know what that means.

00:15:48.000 You know, I really don't. 0.98

00:15:50.000 They could have been tripping balls. 0.98

00:15:52.000 Or it could be that when you're tripping balls, you meet those folks and they're real. 0.98

00:15:56.000 Yeah. 0.91

00:15:56.000 That's what I was going to say. 0.91

00:15:57.000 I was like, the same with Grateful Dead.

00:15:59.000 Yeah.

00:16:01.000 I've often thought about that, about UFO experiences, because I think maybe it's like a state of mind.

00:16:07.000 There's a state of mind that you can achieve and you can see them.

00:16:13.000 Not if they're not there, clearly, but I think— If they're not here, then they're there.

00:16:20.000 But even if they're not—I mean, they're not there all the time, right?

00:16:23.000 The idea is if there's something that's traveling here—but it might also be that they know— If it's interdimensional, though.

00:16:29.000 Yeah.

00:16:29.000 That's what a lot of people think.

00:16:32.000 It's so hard to know because it's like it's such a multifaceted story, right? 1.00

00:16:36.000 Because it's laced with bullshit because people are bullshitters, right? 1.00

00:16:42.000 So everyone bullshits. 1.00

00:16:44.000 They distort something to make it more interesting. 0.96

00:16:47.000 They twist it up in their own mind.

00:16:48.000 Even your own memory is absolutely terrible.

00:16:51.000 Because you always want to make yourself be the hero. 1.00

00:16:54.000 Yeah, or if you're like self-loathing, make yourself be a piece of shit. 1.00

00:16:57.000 You're the villain. 1.00

00:16:58.000 Yeah, you could do that too, but it's also, it's just not reliable, right?

00:17:02.000 So then you have this shocking thing where you're not exactly sure what happened, and then your body starts filling in, or your mind starts filling in the blanks with like a lot of nonsense, and then you start telling it to people over and over again, and then after a while, your memory is of the memory of you telling it.

00:17:17.000 And barely even of the UFO experience itself.

00:17:20.000 It's like you've told it this way for a certain amount of times, so you kind of keep repeating it.

00:17:25.000 Yeah.

00:17:26.000 And what is the motivation there?

00:17:28.000 Is it now just a story you tell to get attention?

00:17:30.000 What makes you better?

00:17:31.000 You're a special person.

00:17:33.000 Aliens talk to me.

00:17:34.000 Yeah, we have to always be careful of anything that makes you special.

00:17:38.000 Anything that makes you a special person.

00:17:39.000 What makes you special?

00:17:42.000 Did you really see Bigfoot? 1.00

00:17:43.000 Or are you just a fucking loser? 1.00

00:17:45.000 What's going on here? 1.00

00:17:47.000 Are you fucking just a fucking... 1.00

00:17:48.000 Are you even special because you saw Bigfoot or is he just special because he... 1.00

00:17:52.000 I don't know.

00:17:52.000 I think Bigfoot might be one of them things too.

00:17:54.000 I think maybe...

00:17:56.000 I struggled with the idea that everyone's lying.

00:18:00.000 I really do.

00:18:01.000 But I also struggle with the idea of this unknown bipedal hominid that's eight feet tall. 0.99

00:18:07.000 Like, where is it shitting? 0.98

00:18:08.000 What does it eat? 0.99

00:18:09.000 Where's its bones?

00:18:10.000 No one's seen it on a trail camera?

00:18:12.000 How's that possible?

00:18:13.000 But why would everybody be lying?

00:18:15.000 But maybe it's smart. 0.99

00:18:16.000 Maybe it fucking digs toilets. 1.00

00:18:19.000 I don't know. 1.00

00:18:20.000 No chance.

00:18:21.000 No chance it's so smart that it knows what a trail camera is, but it never made its own trail camera?

00:18:27.000 No chance.

00:18:28.000 No chance it doesn't get photographed. 1.00

00:18:29.000 Bigfoot has Wi-Fi and shit? 1.00

00:18:31.000 No. 0.99

00:18:31.000 Too many people go into the backcountry. 0.99

00:18:33.000 You know, all my friends that really go deep into the backcountry, like my friends like Aaron Snyder, he does these crazy backcountry hunts.

00:18:41.000 He'll go like 26 miles in with everything on his back.

00:18:45.000 And they hunt for weeks, weeks at a time.

00:18:48.000 None of those guys have stories like that.

00:18:51.000 None of them.

00:18:52.000 Not one.

00:18:53.000 Only the people that are nervous in the woods, that don't understand the woods.

00:18:57.000 You know, I saw a squirrel once and for like a couple of seconds I thought it was a wolf.

00:19:02.000 I thought Carl was a wolf when he was biting my leg.

00:19:06.000 Carl was a wolf about 14, 15 thousand years ago.

00:19:09.000 They turned that into Carl.

00:19:11.000 I think you're right.

00:19:12.000 But you know what I'm saying?

00:19:13.000 There's bears that stand up on two legs.

00:19:16.000 They do that all the time.

00:19:17.000 People see that in between the trees.

00:19:18.000 You think you saw Bigfoot.

00:19:20.000 But then I wonder about just the heightened state of mind that you're in when you're in the forest and you're scared.

00:19:29.000 Because you've been in the woods before.

00:19:32.000 And for people that haven't, I really recommend it because it's so humbling.

00:19:37.000 There's something about just the undeniable vulnerability that you have and that you don't really mean that much.

00:19:45.000 You might think you mean a lot, but you're just a part of this massive system that's going on, this massive system of life.

00:19:52.000 And if you're in that, and this is a new experience for you, And then you start freaking out.

00:19:59.000 And then you think you saw something.

00:20:01.000 And your brain goes into overdrive.

00:20:03.000 And your mind starts pattern forming.

00:20:05.000 You start looking for things.

00:20:06.000 You've heard about Bigfoot.

00:20:07.000 Now you start seeing Bigfoot, you know?

00:20:09.000 Bigfoot!

00:20:09.000 Yeah.

00:20:10.000 I think there's a little bit of that.

00:20:12.000 I'm sure a lot of people do.

00:20:15.000 If they're getting drunk, maybe they're smoking a little weed or whatever.

00:20:18.000 I mean, God.

00:20:20.000 But then again, maybe if you are drunk or smoking a little weed, maybe you can hit that spot.

00:20:26.000 Maybe there's a frequency that you can hit.

00:20:28.000 Where Bigfoot's really there, dude.

00:20:30.000 I mean, I think it's cool to believe in.

00:20:33.000 It's very cool to believe in.

00:20:34.000 If it was real, it would be really cool.

00:20:36.000 Some people are all in.

00:20:37.000 And you can't even talk them out of it.

00:20:39.000 They needed a hobby. 0.99

00:20:40.000 They're like, I gotta sell some fucking t-shirts, man. 0.99

00:20:44.000 There's a lot of that. 0.99

00:20:45.000 Like Finding Bigfoot?

00:20:47.000 That show?

00:20:48.000 That show was hilarious.

00:20:50.000 How did they pull that off for like eight seasons? 0.99

00:20:52.000 Three or four, eight fucking seasons. 0.99

00:20:53.000 How many seasons did Finding Bigfoot have? 0.99

00:20:55.000 It might still be going on.

00:20:57.000 They really wanted to find Bigfoot.

00:20:58.000 You can just keep, there's a certain amount of slack-jawed people, me included, that would just sit in front of that and just like this. 0.99

00:21:05.000 Like the river monster show and shit. 0.99

00:21:09.000 Well, the river monster show, that guy's fishing. 0.99

00:21:11.000 Fishing's fun.

00:21:12.000 He's just fishing. 0.99

00:21:12.000 That's just crazy how he just jumps down in the fucking swamp and just brings up this big demon of a fish. 0.99

00:21:18.000 Big tiger fish. 1.00

00:21:19.000 That tiger fish, that crazy fish in Africa with the giant teeth.

00:21:21.000 I hear, like, thinking, would I do that? 1.00

00:21:23.000 Would I jump out with the fucking... 0.99

00:21:24.000 The original show ended and they brought it back as the search continues. 0.99

00:21:31.000 We couldn't think of a better fucking title. 1.00

00:21:34.000 The bullshit continues. 1.00

00:21:37.000 And there's also finding Bigfoot further evidence. 1.00

00:21:40.000 Further evidence.

00:21:42.000 You got none.

00:21:43.000 And that's from 2011. This is fucking way far out there. 0.98

00:21:46.000 I mean, it's basically printing money. 0.98

00:21:49.000 As long as the people that are on the TV show don't get cocky and think they deserve more money.

00:21:54.000 It's Bigfoot.

00:21:55.000 He's behind it.

00:21:56.000 You might have to bring in new researchers. 1.00

00:21:58.000 It's like, they're never going to find me, motherfucker. 1.00

00:21:59.000 Keep looking. 1.00

00:22:00.000 If anybody gets cocky, you might have to bring in new researchers.

00:22:03.000 But then the researchers have to be accepted by the research community as a legitimate Bigfoot researcher.

00:22:09.000 Legitimate Bigfoot?

00:22:10.000 Yes.

00:22:11.000 Yes.

00:22:12.000 We don't tolerate outsiders here, Greg.

00:22:14.000 That's a job title.

00:22:16.000 No, I'm a legitimate...

00:22:18.000 Bigfoot researcher. 0.99

00:22:19.000 I'm not like those bullshit Bigfoot researchers. 1.00

00:22:23.000 I'm just researching bullshit. 1.00

00:22:26.000 You know what's interesting? 0.97

00:22:27.000 Duncan and I went – we hung out with Bigfoot researchers when I did that TV show for SyFy called Joe Rogan Questions Everything.

00:22:34.000 We went and hung out with these Bigfoot people.

00:22:36.000 And at the end, you realize it's just like, oh, you guys just need a community.

00:22:40.000 This is a community.

00:22:42.000 Just needed some friends.

00:22:43.000 And it's a fun thing to think about.

00:22:44.000 And the thing about, like, the Pacific Northwest, it's like the woods up there, if you haven't been, it's like a box of Q-tips. 0.98

00:22:52.000 Like, you can't see shit through that. 0.78

00:22:54.000 You can't see 30 feet, 40 feet. 0.99

00:22:57.000 Yeah.

00:22:57.000 You can't see anything.

00:22:58.000 It's just fucking trees, like, everywhere. 0.97

00:23:01.000 And how much does mushrooms have to do with Bigfoot? 0.99

00:23:05.000 Like, there's a lot of mushrooms growing up there in the woods, dude.

00:23:08.000 Probably a lot. 1.00

00:23:08.000 You're going to see a whole bunch of shit. 1.00

00:23:10.000 You're going to see elves. 1.00

00:23:11.000 Yeah, elves, Bigfoot, like...

00:23:13.000 Leprechauns.

00:23:14.000 Santa Claus.

00:23:15.000 Santa Claus.

00:23:16.000 Yeah.

00:23:16.000 For sure.

00:23:17.000 It's going to be this big party.

00:23:18.000 Why not?

00:23:19.000 Yeah, why not?

00:23:19.000 Take some shoes and hang out with Bigfoot and the elves and Santa Claus.

00:23:22.000 Well, then again, like, what is happening there?

00:23:24.000 Are you seeing things that aren't there?

00:23:26.000 Or are you seeing things that are there that you can't see under normal circumstances?

00:23:31.000 Well, dude, I think...

00:23:32.000 I think it's the latter.

00:23:35.000 I think it's... 0.98

00:23:37.000 If they weren't there, you wouldn't be able to perceive them and those substances just help you to perceive things because you're too busy over here all the time in that fucking... 0.94

00:23:50.000 Brainwave circuit that you're kind of trapped in right here, this reality tunnel. 0.90

00:23:54.000 This stuff over here, there's blinders.

00:23:56.000 You can't see it. 1.00

00:23:57.000 The only way, like what happens when you take those substances, your fucking pupils. 1.00

00:24:02.000 Dial it. 0.99

00:24:03.000 They get huge.

00:24:04.000 And then all of a sudden, dude, I remember the first time that I really took a whole bunch of shrooms.

00:24:10.000 When I was a kid, me and a bunch of my friends, like, we just got a hold of some bunch of money.

00:24:15.000 I'm not going to get into that, how that happened.

00:24:17.000 But, you know, long story short, we turned this money into a big bag of mushrooms.

00:24:21.000 And we all went down to the bowling alley and ate a whole bunch of them.

00:24:26.000 And we just cruised around, you know, tried to go bowling.

00:24:29.000 That didn't work out.

00:24:29.000 And just shroomed out.

00:24:30.000 And by the end of the night, we're looking at the money that we still had.

00:24:34.000 And everybody's, you know, we had a bunch of weed.

00:24:36.000 We're passing around bowls and shrooming out.

00:24:39.000 And, uh... 0.99

00:24:41.000 We're looking at the money, and we're looking at the buildings going, the fucking system has us trapped with this money. 0.99

00:24:47.000 Let's tear it up. 0.99

00:24:48.000 Oh no.

00:24:49.000 I wish I was there with you.

00:24:50.000 Yeah, we started tearing it up.

00:24:52.000 Everybody, all my friends who are listening to this are going to be like, yeah, dude, we were all there.

00:24:56.000 Because there was probably like eight of us.

00:24:58.000 You're just tearing up your money?

00:24:59.000 Tearing up our money.

00:25:00.000 How much money do you think it was?

00:25:02.000 We had a fuck ton of money because we just... 0.98

00:25:04.000 I was a little shit when I was a kid, so I... We don't need specifics to get the IRS changed. 0.98

00:25:09.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.99

00:25:10.000 No, I mean, right.

00:25:11.000 So anyway... 1.00

00:25:12.000 It was enough money that it was a stupid thing to do. 0.99

00:25:14.000 We were little kids. 1.00

00:25:15.000 No, it's...

00:25:16.000 You know, we paid for it later.

00:25:17.000 We got busted. 0.99

00:25:18.000 A whole bunch of shit happened after that. 0.97

00:25:20.000 But long story short, we're ripping up $10 bills. 0.99

00:25:23.000 This is the 80s. 0.99

00:25:23.000 Like, oh, fuck, 10 bucks. 0.99

00:25:24.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:25:25.000 And the next day, you'd put it back in your pocket.

00:25:27.000 Tape it back together again. 0.98

00:25:28.000 We'd be like, what the fuck was I doing? 0.98

00:25:31.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:25:31.000 But I think I was right. 0.99

00:25:32.000 Could have went to Jimmy John's with this.

00:25:34.000 Yeah, no, I mean, it's like... 0.93

00:25:35.000 But I think we tapped into something saying the system is bullshit and if we didn't tap into that... 0.76

00:25:42.000 You wouldn't make it to where you did today. 0.99

00:25:44.000 Like, the fact that I saw that and I started doing all those, you know, drugs and crazy shit when I was young is what led me here. 0.97

00:25:51.000 And I was getting a bunch of shit for it when I was a kid. 0.96

00:25:54.000 And people were saying, what are you doing, art? 0.96

00:25:56.000 Because I wanted to do that since I was a kid.

00:25:58.000 That's what I was wanting to do for my career, like album covers, comic books, shit like that. 0.99

00:26:02.000 And people were like, no, you're crazy. 0.99

00:26:04.000 You're never going to fucking do anything with art. 0.99

00:26:06.000 But I think just being, you know, like a rebel, an outcast, that helped me. 0.96

00:26:12.000 That made it possible.

00:26:13.000 Well, it's the only way.

00:26:16.000 If you're a person that has some crazy corporate job and you get locked into that thing, it's going to be very difficult for you to break out and become an artist.

00:26:25.000 Yeah.

00:26:25.000 Although I actually did work for the government, for the feds for a while myself.

00:26:28.000 Which stuff?

00:26:29.000 I was an artist.

00:26:30.000 No, I was a graphics guy for OSHA, for the Occupational Safety and Health Administration.

00:26:37.000 So what did you do?

00:26:38.000 I designed all the little... 0.99

00:26:41.000 Pamphlets and shit? 1.00

00:26:42.000 Like web shit. 1.00

00:26:43.000 Don't put your hand on the machine. 0.99

00:26:44.000 Don't carry stuff like this.

00:26:46.000 Don't do this.

00:26:47.000 Oh.

00:26:47.000 And then they'd have me edit, like, pictures of people that got electrocuted and got their faces blown off.

00:26:53.000 Oh, no.

00:26:53.000 And say, try to make this a little less bloody.

00:26:55.000 Oh, goddammit, man. 0.78

00:26:57.000 And, yeah, that made me rethink. 0.51

00:26:59.000 Bro, there's so many videos on Instagram of people getting caught in machines.

00:27:02.000 Oof.

00:27:03.000 You want to know the worst one? 1.00

00:27:04.000 The stupidest one that I ever saw was three dudes wanted to get high at work. 1.00

00:27:10.000 They were asphalt layers. 1.00

00:27:14.000 And they're like, let's jump in the asphalt mixer. 0.99

00:27:18.000 They fucking jumped in there to smoke a joint. 1.00

00:27:21.000 All of them died. 1.00

00:27:22.000 Like three dudes.

00:27:25.000 Because asphalt is deadly toxic if you breathe it.

00:27:28.000 It's terrible for you.

00:27:30.000 Oh my god.

00:27:31.000 But I mean, I had to kind of get into the system before I started trying to do tattoos.

00:27:36.000 Because I had young kids and stuff.

00:27:39.000 And it's hard to get into the art business.

00:27:41.000 So I had to try to do that.

00:27:42.000 But then 9-11 came along and we lost our contract. 0.99

00:27:46.000 Because all the money went to military shit. 0.99

00:27:49.000 And so I had to just make another plan. 0.99

00:27:52.000 I tried to tattoo for a while.

00:27:53.000 That didn't work out.

00:27:55.000 And then got into fine art from there.

00:27:58.000 How did you get into tattooing?

00:28:00.000 How do you even practice that?

00:28:01.000 Do you practice on pig skin?

00:28:02.000 No, I practice on myself.

00:28:05.000 A friend of mine, actually, from Big Deluxe Tattoo, best shop in Salt Lake, and also Anthony Bagano.

00:28:15.000 What's up, Anthony?

00:28:16.000 What's up?

00:28:18.000 So I worked at Big Deluxe for a while.

00:28:20.000 My friend Rich runs that shop and he's like just a total gangster of tattooing and runs just a real tight ship.

00:28:28.000 I apprenticed there for a while, accidentally kicked my manager in the face and got fired.

00:28:35.000 How'd you do that? 0.96

00:28:37.000 There's a bar next door that we always would go to after work, and I was over there just drunk as fuck, and there was some dude in there that was trying to fight me or something. 1.00

00:28:45.000 He's like, I'm gonna kick your ass. 1.00

00:28:48.000 And so I was like, alright, go outside. 1.00

00:28:50.000 I'm gonna finish my beer.

00:28:52.000 I'll be out there in a minute.

00:28:53.000 And I was training lots of Muay Thai at the time, so I was ready to do whatever. 0.99

00:29:00.000 And so I walk out the door, and my friend's holding the door open, and I'm like, where's this dude that's trying to kick my ass? 1.00

00:29:05.000 And he's like, right here, motherfucker. 1.00

00:29:07.000 He takes a swing at me. 1.00

00:29:08.000 And I barely ducked it, went down the sidewalk.

00:29:10.000 I was like, all right, let's go. 0.93

00:29:12.000 And I thought, as soon as he gets within range, I'm just going to hit him with that high kick.

00:29:16.000 And so he gets within range.

00:29:19.000 I throw up the high kick, and I spin around.

00:29:21.000 And you miss, and you hit your boss.

00:29:23.000 Because he was going, breaking up!

00:29:25.000 I didn't even see him.

00:29:26.000 He was running out of the shop because he saw us going by the sidewalk, the windows right there.

00:29:30.000 He's like, oh Greg, come on.

00:29:32.000 And he goes like this, seriously, just hands out.

00:29:35.000 So you went full rotation on the high kick.

00:29:37.000 Good job.

00:29:39.000 It wasn't good for him.

00:29:40.000 It would have been good.

00:29:42.000 Yeah, I did.

00:29:43.000 Like I said, I got to train some good Muay Thai in Utah.

00:29:46.000 There was a couple good schools there.

00:29:48.000 When I was young.

00:29:49.000 We're a tall dude, too.

00:29:51.000 You have good long kicks.

00:29:52.000 So that was my thing. 0.99

00:29:54.000 If I can hit you with a kick, say goodnight. 0.97

00:29:56.000 So he fired you for that? 0.99

00:29:57.000 Well, I knocked his teeth out and stuff.

00:30:00.000 Yeah, but you didn't do it on purpose.

00:30:01.000 They wouldn't believe me.

00:30:02.000 Oh, come on. 0.87

00:30:03.000 They thought you were trying to hit him instead of hitting the other guy?

00:30:07.000 Yeah.

00:30:07.000 They probably still do.

00:30:08.000 I didn't fucking do it, Mike. 0.96

00:30:10.000 Well, how hammered were you, though? 1.00

00:30:12.000 Shit hammered. 1.00

00:30:13.000 So fucking hammered I couldn't even see. 1.00

00:30:15.000 That's why I was like, I'm just gonna throw out the long kick and take him out, you know? 0.99

00:30:21.000 But then I thought, because the dude's still standing there like Juggernaut, and I thought I hit him with my best kick.

00:30:26.000 So I'm like, this dude has to go.

00:30:29.000 Oh, no.

00:30:30.000 And so then I'm like, all right, judo for you. 0.98

00:30:32.000 I fucking hip-tossed him onto the concrete. 0.96

00:30:35.000 And I started to, you know that when you have like a scarf hold and you do the chicken wing with your leg though. 0.99

00:30:41.000 So I was pushing out the hip, getting ready to break his shoulder and his fucking girlfriend kicked me in the face because she was watching the fight. 1.00

00:30:50.000 That's the problem with the ground game in the street, bro. 0.99

00:30:52.000 Always, dude.

00:30:53.000 And so he scurries away and I ran over and grabbed him.

00:30:56.000 I was like, no you don't.

00:30:57.000 Put him on a car.

00:30:59.000 Dropping elbows on him.

00:31:01.000 And then she wasn't done yet.

00:31:03.000 This dude's girlfriend was badass. 1.00

00:31:05.000 She fish hooked me. 0.99

00:31:07.000 Fucking ripped up my cheek. 1.00

00:31:09.000 And somehow I got her fucking finger out of my mouth. 1.00

00:31:13.000 And then I was like, I'm just going to kill this motherfucker now. 1.00

00:31:16.000 He's going to be no good to you at all. 1.00

00:31:18.000 And then just, you know, hit him with a bunch of knees and two dogs. 1.00

00:31:21.000 Goddamn bar fights are stupid. 1.00

00:31:23.000 That was a long, long time ago. 1.00

00:31:26.000 Well, it all worked out.

00:31:28.000 Yeah.

00:31:28.000 Isn't it funny how those doors close?

00:31:31.000 Doors close in your life, new door opens.

00:31:34.000 Well, I called up the next day, and I was like, dude, I'm going to be a little late. 1.00

00:31:38.000 And Rich is like, no, you're going to be a little fired, motherfucker. 1.00

00:31:42.000 You kicked Mike in the face. 1.00

00:31:44.000 Oh, no, I did not.

00:31:45.000 I did not, I swear.

00:31:46.000 Oh, no.

00:31:47.000 But everybody's laughing about it now.

00:31:50.000 I'm sure those guys will get a kick out of seeing this.

00:31:52.000 And I'll be like, oh, my God. 1.00

00:31:56.000 Street fights are so stupid. 1.00

00:31:58.000 Please, folks, if you're listening, don't do it. 1.00

00:32:00.000 Don't do it.

00:32:01.000 We all could have died.

00:32:02.000 We all could have died. 0.98

00:32:03.000 You definitely could have died. 0.86

00:32:03.000 Even the person who kills you, they wish they didn't do it. 0.86

00:32:06.000 Don't do it.

00:32:07.000 I know people that have accidentally killed people in street fights and stuff.

00:32:12.000 There's a guy who is a pedophile who just got caught the other day.

00:32:17.000 There's a bunch of these videos where these guys... 0.63

00:32:21.000 They, like, bait pedophiles.

00:32:23.000 Like, they bait them on social media.

00:32:25.000 Like the old show.

00:32:27.000 To Catch a Predator.

00:32:28.000 Oh, right.

00:32:28.000 To Catch a Predator.

00:32:29.000 Yeah, there's a bunch of guys doing that on YouTube, right?

00:32:31.000 And this one guy got caught.

00:32:33.000 I only watched the clip of the guy getting punched.

00:32:36.000 And some guy walks up to him.

00:32:38.000 I think the dude is wearing a mask. 1.00

00:32:40.000 And he said something like, I got kids, motherfucker. 1.00

00:32:43.000 And he soccer punched this dude in the head. 1.00

00:32:45.000 And the dude, he's an old guy, too.

00:32:47.000 And he falls.

00:32:47.000 And you hear that.

00:32:48.000 Bang! 1.00

00:32:49.000 Of his head bouncing off the sidewalk. 1.00

00:32:51.000 I'm like, oh my god, that guy's fucked. 1.00

00:32:54.000 And I'm pretty sure he's dead. 1.00

00:32:56.000 I'm pretty sure he died, which happens.

00:32:58.000 I don't know if he died.

00:32:59.000 I tried to follow up, too.

00:33:00.000 I don't know if he died.

00:33:00.000 Yeah, you heard about it, too, right?

00:33:02.000 Yeah, so this is it.

00:33:03.000 I'm not going to show it on Twitter.

00:33:04.000 So, show it real quick.

00:33:05.000 I don't know if we can.

00:33:07.000 Oh, is it illegal?

00:33:08.000 It's not our content.

00:33:09.000 Oh, okay.

00:33:10.000 Well, don't show it on the screen then.

00:33:11.000 Right there.

00:33:12.000 Bam.

00:33:12.000 He's dead.

00:33:13.000 See?

00:33:13.000 That dude bounces his head off and the other guy runs off.

00:33:17.000 But the sound of that guy's head hitting the concrete is just horrible.

00:33:22.000 And that's how people die. 0.99

00:33:24.000 People don't realize how strong they are if they fucking hit someone. 1.00

00:33:29.000 You're a full-grown man, you know? 0.99

00:33:31.000 Did you Google it, whether or not he's dead?

00:33:33.000 This is the follow-up right here.

00:33:34.000 That's a video, though.

00:33:35.000 Did you Google it?

00:33:36.000 I read a story that said he died in the hospital.

00:33:39.000 I'll check, I guess.

00:33:40.000 How long ago was this?

00:33:41.000 Five days ago.

00:33:42.000 Yeah, I think I read a story much more recently that he died in the hospital.

00:33:46.000 I don't know if that's true, though.

00:33:48.000 Because, you know, everything is just for clicks now.

00:33:51.000 Like, Bill Maher just pointed this up, that there was an article that said there's a 300% rise in measles in the United States.

00:34:00.000 Do you know how many cases that is?

00:34:01.000 35. 300 from nothing?

00:34:05.000 Yeah, well, that is 300%.

00:34:06.000 I was like, I don't know anybody with measles.

00:34:07.000 I don't think I've ever met anyone with measles.

00:34:09.000 It's very rare these days, you know?

00:34:12.000 But the fact that they wrote that in an article, a 300% rise in measles, and everybody goes into a hot panic, and then you find out 75 people.

00:34:20.000 See, that's why, like, back in the day... 0.96

00:34:23.000 Maybe in the fucking 50s or something. 1.00

00:34:25.000 Wouldn't they have jumped on that shit if it was in the newspaper and we found out about it? 1.00

00:34:29.000 You lying motherfucker. 1.00

00:34:30.000 There's just so many people bullshitting these days and we let them get away with it. 1.00

00:34:34.000 And they've been bullshitting since the beginning. 0.94

00:34:36.000 That's how weed is still illegal.

00:34:38.000 Weed is still illegal because of William Randolph Hearst, who ran Hearst Publications.

00:34:42.000 And William Randolph Hearst is the guy who started printing those stories in the paper about marijuana.

00:34:47.000 Yeah.

00:34:48.000 Marijuana was a name for wild Mexican tobacco.

00:34:51.000 It was a slang for wild Mexican tobacco.

00:34:54.000 Cannabis was, like, well, well-known. 0.99

00:34:55.000 And so they started saying it was a new drug called marijuana, and it was causing Mexicans and black guys to rape white women. 0.98

00:35:03.000 Because they would use it after work because they weren't drinking. 0.99

00:35:05.000 No, it wasn't real.

00:35:07.000 They were calling it that because they were trying to get cannabis.

00:35:10.000 No, but I'm saying they would actually get high, but they weren't doing anything.

00:35:14.000 They were trying to get marijuana to be illegal because they wanted hemp out of business for paper. 0.97

00:35:21.000 That's what it was.

00:35:22.000 For nylon, right?

00:35:24.000 Yes, nylon.

00:35:24.000 DuPont had come up with the patent for nylon.

00:35:27.000 And then there was also paper mills like William Randolph Hearst owned forests that they would cut down to make trees.

00:35:34.000 See, he owned paper mills as well.

00:35:35.000 And hemp paper was a superior paper.

00:35:38.000 And so when they came out with the decorticator, which is a machine that was much better at processing hemp fiber, and they had it in Popular Mechanics magazine, so they started this campaign against hemp by creating this boogeyman of a drug called marijuana that made people crazy.

00:35:53.000 Just so they could make money?

00:35:54.000 Yeah.

00:35:54.000 So that's the newspapers in the 30s, man.

00:35:56.000 Wow. 1.00

00:35:56.000 So they've been doing this shit forever. 1.00

00:35:58.000 They've been doing the same fucking thing forever. 1.00

00:36:01.000 I wonder if there was ever a time... 0.99

00:36:04.000 When the media and the information was working for us?

00:36:09.000 You know what I mean?

00:36:10.000 I think there's been people that have been working for us.

00:36:12.000 But there's always been stories that were heavily influenced by the intelligence community and by...

00:36:20.000 Special interest groups, and that's always been the case, man.

00:36:23.000 Journalists have always been on the take, a certain percentage of them. 0.99

00:36:26.000 There's a certain percentage of journalists that are just bullshit artists. 0.99

00:36:29.000 They're not real. 1.00

00:36:29.000 Because all they are is people. 1.00

00:36:31.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:36:32.000 And they're people doing a job.

00:36:34.000 Like, that's their job. 0.99

00:36:34.000 They work at this place that says, hey, I want you to concoct this fucking story. 0.99

00:36:39.000 And they have to do it. 0.99

00:36:39.000 It's the same thing as, like, dude, I think the whole fucking problem with... 0.99

00:36:43.000 The government is lobbyists. 0.97

00:36:45.000 When I was a little kid and I was super patriotic, like as a little kid, and I love the Constitution, I think it's just so cool.

00:36:53.000 The checks and balances and the way the thing is supposed to work is amazing and awesome.

00:36:59.000 But then I heard about the lobbyists.

00:37:01.000 And I remember as probably a 10 or 12-year-old kid going, what?

00:37:05.000 And the teacher would say, yeah, yeah, it's their job to go and try to influence our senators. 0.99

00:37:13.000 And I'm like, that don't seem right.

00:37:15.000 And what do they do? 1.00

00:37:16.000 They take them to lunch and they buy them shit? 1.00

00:37:20.000 To fucking convince them to make... 1.00

00:37:21.000 Okay. 1.00

00:37:22.000 Get those motherfuckers out of there, and then we're good. 1.00

00:37:26.000 Because then all they got to do is answer to me, and I'm the one paying them. 1.00

00:37:29.000 They're trying to get extra fucking money. 0.98

00:37:32.000 That's the same thing as if I was like... 0.99

00:37:35.000 You know, working for a gallery and then selling art on the side or some shit. 0.85

00:37:39.000 You can't do that? 0.90

00:37:40.000 I mean, you could.

00:37:41.000 And you know what happens?

00:37:43.000 What? 1.00

00:37:43.000 Like, customers will come up to you and say, I saw your shit at a gallery and I want to buy it directly from you. 1.00

00:37:51.000 And so then it's on you. 0.98

00:37:52.000 Do you have a deal, like, with a gallery where, like, if you have your stuff up in the gallery, do they have to sell your stuff only through that gallery?

00:38:03.000 Does it vary?

00:38:04.000 Well, yeah, because sometimes you sign an exclusive and then some galleries will front you a bunch of money.

00:38:09.000 So every deal is different.

00:38:10.000 But right now I don't sign exclusive deals.

00:38:14.000 I just say, you show my stuff.

00:38:16.000 I still sell a ton on my own on my own.

00:38:20.000 But you do that now because you're established?

00:38:22.000 Yeah.

00:38:22.000 But if they see it...

00:38:24.000 In the gallery, and they come to me and they say, we saw it in the gallery, we've only seen it there, then I'll try to get the sale to go through the gallery to actually still cut them in.

00:38:33.000 Yeah.

00:38:33.000 Because that's not really right.

00:38:34.000 Right, that's right.

00:38:35.000 That's the right way to do it, because they saw it in the gallery.

00:38:37.000 That's the whole benefit of the working relationship of you being in a gallery.

00:38:40.000 I mean, that's how I found you.

00:38:42.000 Gallery's always a surprise when you do it, but when you bought the painting, you didn't buy it from me, you had to go through the gallery, right?

00:38:47.000 I had to, yeah.

00:38:47.000 But I could have said, bro...

00:38:49.000 Fuck the gallery, just buy from me. 1.00

00:38:51.000 Yeah, but that wouldn't be cool. 1.00

00:38:52.000 Right, exactly.

00:38:53.000 Right.

00:38:54.000 In that sense, I understand what you're saying.

00:38:55.000 Yeah.

00:38:55.000 But is there a situation with some artists where they have their pieces up in a gallery and they're not even allowed to be commissioned to make a piece outside of the gallery?

00:39:05.000 I think if they have an exclusive contract and they've fronted you money, and if you come to them and say, hey, I haven't sold anything, can you front me some more money?

00:39:14.000 And they're going to take care of you.

00:39:16.000 Okay, so it's the fronting the money is the issue.

00:39:18.000 That hardly ever happens.

00:39:21.000 Okay.

00:39:22.000 So for the most part, like say if I went into a gallery and I saw some piece and it was really dope and they connected me to the artist and I get her email and I contact her and I said, hey, I really love this.

00:39:33.000 I'm thinking of something along this theme.

00:39:36.000 Can I contract you to do something like that?

00:39:38.000 Can I commission you to do something like that?

00:39:39.000 And they say yes.

00:39:40.000 Would she still have to go through the gallery, you think?

00:39:43.000 What do you think the right thing to do is, though, for the artist?

00:39:47.000 I think the right thing, if you find out about them through the galleries, probably go through the gallery.

00:39:51.000 That makes sense.

00:39:54.000 And then the gallery knows you're loyal.

00:39:56.000 Also, galleries are dope.

00:39:58.000 We want to keep them open. 0.97

00:40:00.000 I fucking love going to galleries. 0.96

00:40:02.000 I love seeing all the different... 0.98

00:40:04.000 I just love different people's expressions.

00:40:07.000 Whether it's through music, or through painting, or illustration, or sculpture, whatever it is.

00:40:12.000 I'm just interested in the things people create. 0.95

00:40:15.000 And so if there's a place we can go and it's all just shit that people created, like, I'm all in. 0.91

00:40:19.000 Yeah. 0.95

00:40:20.000 You know, I love galleries.

00:40:21.000 We need more of that.

00:40:22.000 Yes.

00:40:22.000 We need more of that, and we need more encouraging people to create things.

00:40:26.000 You know, it's a very valuable commodity that's seen as frivolous until it's not.

00:40:32.000 It's seen as no big deal until it's worth hundreds of thousands of dollars.

00:40:36.000 It's a very strange world.

00:40:38.000 It is, but, like, I mean, when you think about it, dude, it's like... 0.99

00:40:41.000 What we were talking about earlier, how the system is so much bullshit and it's so dry and fucking empty and there's just nothing to it, but they have to slot you in and make you fucking toe the line and your life's so fucking boring and shit. 0.95

00:40:55.000 But if you get into art, whatever art it is, whether it's your music, at least you have a solace of some kind that you can come home to. 0.99

00:41:04.000 So what I aspired to do was to provide powerful stuff that people that, like, they're out there doing crazy shit all day, like you, doing stuff that's affecting the world.

00:41:16.000 Like, they got a bunch of stuff on their mind all the time.

00:41:20.000 But just for one minute, they look at that painting and they're like...

00:41:23.000 Now I remember why I'm doing all this.

00:41:26.000 It's for the spirit.

00:41:27.000 It's for the essence of life.

00:41:30.000 It's to try to make life better for all of us.

00:41:34.000 That's what art is really supposed to do is try to communicate to you that you do matter.

00:41:38.000 We all matter.

00:41:39.000 We all matter together and we're not actually separate because if you can relate to this...

00:41:44.000 And I can relate to this. 0.99

00:41:45.000 Maybe we can forget about all the bullshit that they're trying to make us fight about and just fucking check out a show. 0.99

00:41:52.000 Yeah, absolutely. 0.99

00:41:53.000 We matter to each other.

00:41:55.000 That's what's really important.

00:41:57.000 Even if you think you don't matter in the great scheme of things, like when people get real morose and they start thinking about life as being futile and there's no reason, why go on?

00:42:08.000 Generally, that's people that are disconnected from other people.

00:42:12.000 They don't have anybody like real close that they can hang out with that they love.

00:42:16.000 And people need that in life.

00:42:20.000 You need a tribe.

00:42:24.000 We're tribal people.

00:42:26.000 You need a tribe like your family should be your tribe, your friends should be your tribe.

00:42:30.000 You know, you need groups of people.

00:42:32.000 And that's a wonderful life.

00:42:34.000 That's a joy-filled life.

00:42:36.000 If you can have a life filled with people that you enjoy hanging out with.

00:42:40.000 Yeah.

00:42:40.000 If you can do it right.

00:42:42.000 Yeah.

00:42:42.000 And those people that think that they don't matter, that they are alone, you know, don't underestimate the potential you have to actually affect people's lives.

00:42:53.000 Sure, you can turn it around too.

00:42:55.000 How you feel right now is horrible and as dark as it seems.

00:42:58.000 That's not how you're gonna feel always.

00:43:00.000 You just have to trust in this process.

00:43:03.000 And you gotta do something.

00:43:04.000 It was a funny little Instagram clip that I put on my stories the other day.

00:43:08.000 This lady was talking about how she feels down. 0.95

00:43:11.000 And then someone asked her, did you get enough sleep?

00:43:15.000 Nope.

00:43:15.000 Have you been exercising?

00:43:16.000 Nope.

00:43:17.000 Have you been eating well?

00:43:18.000 Nope.

00:43:19.000 Have you gone outside?

00:43:20.000 Nope.

00:43:20.000 Have you stayed off your phone?

00:43:21.000 Nope.

00:43:22.000 Okay.

00:43:22.000 Why should you feel good?

00:43:25.000 Exactly!

00:43:26.000 That's like saying, I'm broke.

00:43:28.000 Did you go to work? 0.99

00:43:29.000 Did you fucking save your money? 0.99

00:43:30.000 Right. 0.99

00:43:31.000 Do you have people in your life that you love?

00:43:33.000 Do you have a thing that you do that you love?

00:43:35.000 If you don't have those things, you're going to have a rough time of it.

00:43:38.000 You know, that's what we're here for.

00:43:39.000 We're here for doing things that we love or that are satisfying and being with people that we love.

00:43:44.000 And if you don't have those things, you're in a tough spot.

00:43:49.000 You know, the cold hard truth is for a lot of people, you have to be someone worthy of other people's appreciation, too.

00:43:56.000 Like, what have you done?

00:43:58.000 Who are you?

00:44:00.000 What's your character like?

00:44:02.000 What do you like when you talk to people?

00:44:03.000 Are you nice?

00:44:04.000 Are you fun?

00:44:04.000 Are you good to be around?

00:44:05.000 Do you complain a lot?

00:44:07.000 You know?

00:44:08.000 And you want the world to be better, but you complain all the time? 0.99

00:44:11.000 You're just a fucking Debbie Downer? 0.99

00:44:13.000 Is that what you are? 1.00

00:44:14.000 Because guess what?

00:44:15.000 Nobody wants to be around you, and you're gonna be depressed now. 1.00

00:44:17.000 You're making people feel like shit. 0.99

00:44:19.000 You gotta get out of that whatever mindset spiral you're in and come up with a better way to interface with humanity. 0.99

00:44:26.000 Yeah.

00:44:27.000 Because it's all about perspective, dude.

00:44:30.000 I was walking around Austin earlier today.

00:44:34.000 I've never been here before.

00:44:36.000 I was just taking a walk.

00:44:36.000 This is your first trip?

00:44:37.000 Yeah.

00:44:38.000 I go to art towns for shows.

00:44:42.000 It's all about business when I travel.

00:44:43.000 I'm just doing shows and going home and making more paintings.

00:44:47.000 But just walking around a little bit down here, I was just like, God, this really...

00:44:51.000 I can look around and just see how fucking cool this place is and how all these people built all this stuff and they're building it and everybody's doing something here and I'm part of it. 0.98

00:45:02.000 And I get to just sit here and chill and like take it all in and go, wow, fuck, I'm in this new city. 0.99

00:45:09.000 They're building, they've got cranes. 0.98

00:45:11.000 On the tops of all the buildings, the restaurants look all vital.

00:45:16.000 I'd love to see that.

00:45:17.000 And I'm like, dude, all these people have good perspective.

00:45:20.000 Not all of them.

00:45:22.000 It's a good vibe, right?

00:45:24.000 I don't know.

00:45:25.000 An overall good vibe of the city, right?

00:45:26.000 Yeah.

00:45:27.000 I didn't know what to expect, but I was like impressed.

00:45:30.000 I was like, this place seems pretty cool.

00:45:31.000 And I realized that's my perspective.

00:45:33.000 I'm looking for the good, right?

00:45:36.000 But somebody else might be in the same exact spot.

00:45:39.000 And they would only notice the weird homeless dude over there.

00:45:42.000 They hope that he doesn't come over here and ask for some money or they're stressing out about their bills or whatever it is. 1.00

00:45:49.000 And I'm just sitting here thinking, oh man, fuck. 1.00

00:45:52.000 Perspective, look at how fucking cool life is. 1.00

00:45:55.000 Because it really is, dude. 0.99

00:45:56.000 I think we've all gotten so fucked up by these little cell phones that have kind of captured us that we kind of forget. 0.92

00:46:04.000 Just go outside. 0.98

00:46:06.000 Yeah.

00:46:07.000 Go outside and experience some things.

00:46:08.000 It's just hard to do when you're stuck.

00:46:11.000 If you're at home and you're just staring at your phone, it's hard to put it down and start moving.

00:46:16.000 It's hard, but you really have to.

00:46:18.000 It's a trap.

00:46:19.000 It's trying to get us to get sucked into the machine, kids, and it's coming.

00:46:23.000 And if you think it's difficult to resist now, just wait.

00:46:26.000 Yeah.

00:46:27.000 Just wait.

00:46:28.000 But just don't let your tolerance get all low. 0.99

00:46:31.000 Like, don't just keep fucking with it. 0.99

00:46:32.000 Like, right now, go camping. 1.00

00:46:34.000 Yeah.

00:46:34.000 Right now, go learn to ride a horse.

00:46:37.000 I don't know about that.

00:46:38.000 You know...

00:46:39.000 You get hurt riding horses.

00:46:40.000 I got some crazy horse stories.

00:46:41.000 I know a lot of people that have some crazy horse stories.

00:46:43.000 I went down to the...

00:46:44.000 I don't think they like to be ridden.

00:46:45.000 No, check this out, dude.

00:46:46.000 I'll tell you something funny.

00:46:47.000 I went down on a photo shoot to the Navajo reservation years ago, like probably about five or six, maybe seven years ago.

00:46:56.000 And the Apaches and the Navajos were kind of doing a peace ceremony.

00:47:00.000 And I was down there with like this native photographer and just a couple friends who were all hanging out like Navajos and...

00:47:07.000 And we ran into this Navajo family.

00:47:11.000 There's this dude that just got back from the military and his little brother and his little sister and we're all just hanging out.

00:47:17.000 Because I just take pictures to get ideas for paintings and meet people and just go do stuff and go to reservations.

00:47:23.000 That's what gives me the ideas.

00:47:25.000 And so everybody's riding horses, and I haven't ridden a horse since I was a little kid in Montana, but I learned how.

00:47:31.000 I rode horses every day as a little kid, like 10 years old or something.

00:47:35.000 We'd ride them to town.

00:47:37.000 And so all these Indians are out there riding their horses, and I want to fit in.

00:47:40.000 I was like, oh, I want to jump up on one of these horses.

00:47:43.000 And I jump up on one of the trail horses that's been out on the trail ride all day.

00:47:47.000 And I have these long-ass legs.

00:47:51.000 Everyone else is...

00:47:52.000 Like, shorter than me, so the stirrups aren't long enough for me.

00:47:55.000 So I jump up on there, and I'm all kind of off balance, and the horse gets weirded out and just fucking takes off at a full run across the desert. 0.97

00:48:04.000 Ran for like a mile, dude, and I'm shitting. 0.96

00:48:07.000 Like, it's bucking me, and it's like I thought about jumping off and everything. 0.96

00:48:11.000 Oh my god.

00:48:11.000 And luckily, I had been training jiu-jitsu at the time, so I had the strong jiu-jitsu grip that you get.

00:48:17.000 Right, right.

00:48:17.000 And I grabbed the saddle horn.

00:48:19.000 And just hold on to it.

00:48:21.000 I'm like, I'm not jumping! 1.00

00:48:21.000 I'm gonna wear this motherfucker out! 1.00

00:48:23.000 And he ran for about a mile. 1.00

00:48:26.000 So you didn't have a hold of the reins?

00:48:27.000 I lost the reins.

00:48:28.000 Oh my god.

00:48:29.000 He was running, dude.

00:48:29.000 I wasn't ready for it.

00:48:30.000 He just took off.

00:48:33.000 But I didn't fall off.

00:48:34.000 I didn't jump off. 0.99

00:48:35.000 Holy shit, dude. 0.99

00:48:36.000 And he finally got tired, and I turned him around and walked him back to where we were all hanging out. 0.99

00:48:41.000 Oh my god.

00:48:42.000 And everyone was like, we thought we were going to be peeling you off the prairie.

00:48:47.000 And my horse, like, puts his head down and taps the ground. 0.99

00:48:51.000 I said, I made this fucker tap. 0.99

00:48:53.000 I jumped off. 1.00

00:48:55.000 Isn't it interesting that you can break horses?

00:48:57.000 They get wild horses and they can break them.

00:48:59.000 They break them and get them to the point where they can ride them.

00:49:02.000 It's a strange animal.

00:49:04.000 Yeah, I mean, dude, horses are amazing.

00:49:07.000 And then I got to go down to a ranch in New Mexico and learned to ride a bunch a few years ago.

00:49:14.000 And I got good enough where I was running and controlling the horse.

00:49:17.000 It's kind of like a version, a real version of Avatar.

00:49:22.000 When they have to hop on those dragons and they have to merge with them. 0.99

00:49:25.000 They are exactly fucking like that. 0.99

00:49:27.000 It is like that, right? 1.00

00:49:28.000 Exactly.

00:49:28.000 Because it's this thing that's way more powerful than you, but for some weird reason, you guys sync up together.

00:49:33.000 And if it likes you, it will stomp out rattlesnakes for you, and if it doesn't like you, it'll go over to the rocks and...

00:49:40.000 Yeah, chuck you off. 1.00

00:49:42.000 Fuck off, bitch. 1.00

00:49:43.000 Yeah, you have to have a good relationship with that animal. 1.00

00:49:45.000 Yeah.

00:49:45.000 And it has to be a real relationship.

00:49:48.000 You can't be out of fear.

00:49:49.000 That animal has to love you.

00:49:50.000 Yeah.

00:49:51.000 And you have to love it.

00:49:52.000 It's like dogs.

00:49:53.000 Yep.

00:49:54.000 Exactly.

00:49:55.000 Exactly.

00:49:55.000 They called them sacred dogs.

00:49:58.000 The Lakota did. 0.95

00:50:00.000 Yeah, a dog you ride.

00:50:01.000 Yeah.

00:50:02.000 Yeah, dogs and humans have very strange relationships.

00:50:05.000 Very strange.

00:50:06.000 Yeah.

00:50:07.000 You know, there's some sort of a sinking of the minds that's...

00:50:11.000 It's not as simple as the dog recognizes that it gets food from you.

00:50:15.000 No, no, no.

00:50:16.000 There's like this weird love, you know?

00:50:18.000 Well, did you ever see that show that was about how...

00:50:22.000 Humans and canines, like, evolved together.

00:50:26.000 Yeah, I have seen it, yeah.

00:50:27.000 Dude.

00:50:28.000 I mean, I have two dogs, like, they're part Husky, part Akita.

00:50:32.000 Pull up to that mic.

00:50:33.000 They're like the primal breed, so they kind of, they look like wolves, they kind of act like that.

00:50:38.000 Yeah.

00:50:39.000 Like, dude, those dogs are my best friends.

00:50:43.000 We go around the neighborhood, they pull me on my skateboard, and I know that they know that I'm their friend.

00:50:50.000 Right.

00:50:52.000 I know if I'm having a bad day or if I'm just stressed out or something, and I do this or something, they'll come right up to you and be like, what's wrong, bro?

00:51:01.000 I was in the gym today stretching out, and I was doing this crazy back stretch, and it's kind of painful.

00:51:08.000 So I'm like...

00:51:09.000 And next thing you know, Marshall's face is like right there, kissing me.

00:51:13.000 I'm like, it's all good, dude.

00:51:14.000 I'm just stretching.

00:51:15.000 And then he's like, did that stretch hurt you?

00:51:18.000 Just wanted to make sure I'm okay.

00:51:20.000 It was just funny.

00:51:21.000 It's funny.

00:51:22.000 They just sync up to you.

00:51:23.000 There's something about whatever that relationship is.

00:51:27.000 It's so unique to dogs.

00:51:28.000 It's so different than any other animal.

00:51:31.000 Yeah.

00:51:31.000 You know?

00:51:32.000 They're concerned about you.

00:51:34.000 Like, other animals I don't think are concerned about you.

00:51:37.000 Like, your cat's not that concerned about you.

00:51:39.000 I don't know. 1.00

00:51:39.000 Eat your fucking face off if you die and shit. 1.00

00:51:41.000 Instantly. 1.00

00:51:42.000 If you, like, you break your leg, your cat's gonna go, oh, this guy's fucking loud. 0.99

00:51:46.000 Let me go over there. 0.99

00:51:47.000 That fucking snap really... 0.99

00:51:48.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:51:50.000 The other day we were working out in the gym.

00:51:53.000 With all the comedians, and Marshall was with us, and I start kicking the bag, and he starts barking. 0.99

00:51:59.000 He starts jumping up and down and barking, because he thinks some shit's going down. 0.99

00:52:03.000 Is that bag fucking with you? 1.00

00:52:04.000 Like, what's happening here? 1.00

00:52:05.000 I know, I know.

00:52:06.000 I was like, that's hilarious.

00:52:07.000 Like, all the other stuff that we did, we did all those kettlebell workouts, we pushed the sled, that was all fine.

00:52:12.000 But once I started hitting the bag, he's like... 0.99

00:52:16.000 What the fuck is going on? 0.99

00:52:17.000 They can tell the difference, dude. 0.99

00:52:19.000 They can tell the difference between, like, actual...

00:52:22.000 Violence.

00:52:23.000 Yeah.

00:52:23.000 They understand what violence is.

00:52:25.000 It's weird.

00:52:26.000 It is, dude.

00:52:26.000 It's like, how does he...

00:52:27.000 Why is that different to him than me lifting a thing?

00:52:30.000 Or me grunting or pushing a sled?

00:52:33.000 Like, I don't understand. 0.99

00:52:33.000 But that's totally why we kept him around, because they were like, as soon as shit starts to go down, you jump in. 0.99

00:52:39.000 I'm going to get my knife. 0.99

00:52:41.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:52:41.000 You hit them low, I'll hit them high. 1.00

00:52:43.000 They know that they're with you. 1.00

00:52:45.000 You get to eat this motherfucker. 1.00

00:52:47.000 That happens with people, you know, if they get in some sort of a school, like brothers and sisters, get in fights together. 1.00

00:52:54.000 The dog fucking tries to jump in. 1.00

00:52:56.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:52:56.000 It happens all the time. 1.00

00:52:58.000 Yeah. 0.95

00:52:58.000 You know, if two girls are beating the shit out of each other and a dog jumps in. 0.95

00:53:01.000 Just at a party, dude. 0.51

00:53:03.000 How many times have you seen that? 1.00

00:53:05.000 Somebody's just pushing and shoving the pitbulls, got your arm, fuck! 1.00

00:53:08.000 Yeah, oh no. 1.00

00:53:09.000 And then you got nerve damage now. 1.00

00:53:11.000 You got bit by a fucking alligator. 1.00

00:53:14.000 Yeah, dude. 1.00

00:53:15.000 Those fucking things. 1.00

00:53:16.000 Yeah, they don't understand that either. 1.00

00:53:17.000 Especially dudes.

00:53:18.000 They get a little too loud when they're playing. 1.00

00:53:20.000 Well, the dog's like, oh, some shit's going down. 1.00

00:53:22.000 The dog's like, you think so? 1.00

00:53:24.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:53:24.000 Motherfucker. 1.00

00:53:25.000 Motherfucker. 1.00

00:53:25.000 This isn't your house. 1.00

00:53:26.000 Yeah.

00:53:27.000 This is my house.

00:53:28.000 Yeah.

00:53:28.000 And I'm not drunk.

00:53:29.000 They don't get the rules.

00:53:30.000 Yeah.

00:53:31.000 They don't get the rules of engagement.

00:53:33.000 That thing in the avatar is so wild when they sync up and they link their tails to their hair thing.

00:53:41.000 Yeah, his, like, pony tail to the...

00:53:42.000 Yeah.

00:53:43.000 Yeah.

00:53:43.000 It really is kind of what happens with a horse.

00:53:46.000 Well, everything is kind of, you know, based on something.

00:53:49.000 You know what I mean?

00:53:50.000 Like fiction stuff.

00:53:51.000 You get that idea from somewhere.

00:53:53.000 Well, haven't people said that Avatar is like Pocahontas in space?

00:53:56.000 I thought they said it's like Dances with Wolves from space and that pissed me off.

00:54:01.000 Well, because my mentor, a friend of mine, wrote Dances with Wolves.

00:54:04.000 Oh, really?

00:54:05.000 He's like one of my best influences that guided me in my career, Michael Blake.

00:54:10.000 He's a bro, dude.

00:54:11.000 It wasn't about...

00:54:12.000 They say...

00:54:14.000 Oh, the white savior story.

00:54:16.000 He's coming to save the Indians. 1.00

00:54:17.000 That's some bullshit. 1.00

00:54:18.000 I'm like, did you watch the fucking movie? 1.00

00:54:20.000 Who saved who? 1.00

00:54:21.000 The white guy didn't save the Indians.

00:54:24.000 They saved him.

00:54:27.000 He learned from the Indians how to be a good person. 1.00

00:54:31.000 There's nothing wrong with that fucking story. 0.99

00:54:33.000 I barely remember that movie. 0.99

00:54:34.000 I remember it was really good, but I barely remember it.

00:54:36.000 Well, he told- Pull that microphone up to your face. 0.74

00:54:38.000 Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry.

00:54:40.000 It moves around.

00:54:41.000 Yeah, he told me that he came up with that idea.

00:54:45.000 He heard a story where a supply train, a wagon train pulled up to an abandoned army camp.

00:54:55.000 He heard that story and he thought, what would I do if I was that guy?

00:55:00.000 Would I just go back?

00:55:02.000 To the base, to the army base, or would I stay there and try to figure out what happened?

00:55:06.000 And he said he just came up with the whole thing based on putting himself there in his imagination.

00:55:13.000 Right.

00:55:13.000 Right?

00:55:14.000 And he's just such a cool motherfucker, dude. 0.99

00:55:17.000 I remember I was saying, you know, this is years ago. 0.98

00:55:21.000 I said, I want to be the next Howard Turpin, which is like the big Western artist.

00:55:24.000 He's like, no, dude, don't be the next anything.

00:55:27.000 Be the first Greg Overton.

00:55:30.000 Just be you.

00:55:31.000 Yeah.

00:55:31.000 You know, and hearing that, like the that movie was a big influence on me.

00:55:36.000 Because when I saw that and got a Howard Turpin book, that's what really got me back into Western art.

00:55:42.000 Because as a teenager, I was doing all the punk art.

00:55:45.000 Like I did album covers for a lot of the bands from Salt Lake and was trying to draw comic books and shit like that.

00:55:52.000 But as soon as I saw that movie and got the Howard Turpin book, that's what really brought me back to the Native American stuff.

00:55:59.000 And I was like, this is what I'm going to do.

00:56:02.000 I think what's so interesting about the Native Americans, one of the things that's interesting, I should say, about the Native American stuff is that we didn't really understand what was even happening.

00:56:10.000 Until the 20th century and now the 21st century.

00:56:13.000 We didn't really have an understanding of how their cultures worked and how they interacted with each other.

00:56:18.000 The way it was depicted in mainstream media was always cowboy and Indian movies.

00:56:23.000 It was like this very crude, kind of simplistic version of what they did.

00:56:28.000 We didn't really understand much about Native American culture until people started writing these, like Empire of the Summer Moon, some of these amazing books.

00:56:38.000 Well, you get a real understanding of, like, Black Elk Speaks, like those kind of things.

00:56:43.000 You actually hear from the people that lived that life.

00:56:46.000 Like, what was that like? 1.00

00:56:48.000 Because our version of it was all just stupid movies. 1.00

00:56:52.000 John Wayne movies and shit. 1.00

00:56:54.000 And then Clint Eastwood took it to another level. 0.99

00:56:57.000 Like, especially the outlaw Josie Wales. 1.00

00:57:00.000 Fuck, yeah. 1.00

00:57:00.000 Yeah, when he meets with that Comanche guy. 1.00

00:57:03.000 Ten Bears.

00:57:04.000 Yeah, and him and Ten Bears have this conversation about what's going to go down.

00:57:07.000 Your words have iron.

00:57:09.000 These are my words of life.

00:57:09.000 Your words of death.

00:57:11.000 Also my words of death.

00:57:12.000 Yeah, it's a heavy scene.

00:57:14.000 Will Sampson.

00:57:15.000 That was one of the best movies ever, dude. 0.99

00:57:18.000 That's a great fucking movie. 1.00

00:57:19.000 That's a great fucking movie. 1.00

00:57:20.000 That's a fun movie. 1.00

00:57:21.000 But that's like the real Comanche...

00:57:27.000 Texas Ranger, because he was a Texas Ranger type dude.

00:57:30.000 You know what I mean?

00:57:31.000 Those are both just awesome icons of the West.

00:57:35.000 We should respect both of those.

00:57:37.000 Because neither one of them were like a hero or a villain purely. 0.99

00:57:41.000 I mean, the Comanche, they were a fucking empire. 1.00

00:57:44.000 They were... 1.00

00:57:51.000 Yeah, they committed raids on other Native American tribes all the time.

00:57:56.000 I mean, they were ruthless.

00:57:58.000 I mean, we've talked about this before with just the name Sue.

00:58:02.000 That wasn't their name.

00:58:03.000 That was the name for enemy.

00:58:05.000 Their name was the Lakota people.

00:58:07.000 That's what they called themselves, but everybody else called them the enemy. 0.99

00:58:10.000 They were fucking everybody up. 0.98

00:58:11.000 There was no unity amongst Native American tribes. 0.99

00:58:15.000 I mean, it was really no different than the interactions that we have with other countries.

00:58:20.000 Like, sometimes you're connected to them and you're allies.

00:58:24.000 And sometimes you're at war.

00:58:26.000 And sometimes it's the same groups of people that you used to be allies, and now you're at war, or you used to be at war, and now you're allies.

00:58:33.000 Like the United States and Japan. 0.89

00:58:35.000 Perfect example.

00:58:36.000 I mean, that's probably one of the best examples in modern times.

00:58:40.000 Yeah.

00:58:40.000 We literally dropped indiscriminate nuclear bombs on two of their cities.

00:58:44.000 And now we buy their cars.

00:58:45.000 I know.

00:58:45.000 Imagine if you did one of your friends.

00:58:49.000 Sorry I nuked your fucking house, bro. 1.00

00:58:51.000 It was almost 80 years ago, dude. 1.00

00:58:54.000 Let it go. 1.00

00:58:55.000 I just nuked your fucking house. 1.00

00:58:57.000 Come on. 1.00

00:58:58.000 Let it go.

00:58:59.000 You wouldn't stop fighting, bro.

00:59:03.000 Apparently they're like, dude, you didn't get our memo.

00:59:04.000 We were going to stop fighting. 1.00

00:59:06.000 You guys just wanted to try out your fucking bomb. 1.00

00:59:08.000 Yeah, you just wanted to flex. 1.00

00:59:10.000 No, no, no.

00:59:11.000 We wouldn't do that. 1.00

00:59:12.000 You just wanted to flex your fucking nuke power and you still wanted to go to vacation in fucking Europe, bitch. 1.00

00:59:18.000 Imagine seeing the first nuke go off and realize that nothing's ever going to be the same again. 1.00

00:59:23.000 When they drop that first nuke in a city, just like, oh my god, what have you done?

00:59:28.000 What have you done?

00:59:29.000 And what precedent have you set?

00:59:31.000 It's kind of really, truly amazing that we haven't done it since then.

00:59:34.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:59:34.000 That's what makes you believe in the aliens and multi-dimensional beings and shit. 0.96

00:59:39.000 Really? 0.98

00:59:42.000 Isn't it just mutually assured destruction as well?

00:59:44.000 No, no.

00:59:44.000 I'm saying like...

00:59:47.000 When humanity got all the nuclear bombs and shit, that's when you start to see all the sightings and stuff.

00:59:52.000 So that's why it kind of makes sense that they'd be like, oh, what are you doing? 0.99

00:59:56.000 We can't let you blow up your whole fucking planet before you even evolve to your first level. 0.99

01:00:01.000 Because for all we know, we're still white belts. 1.00

01:00:04.000 Right.

01:00:04.000 Well, leafcutter ants have no idea that you have a car.

01:00:09.000 They have no idea.

01:00:10.000 They have no idea what a Bitcoin is.

01:00:12.000 They have no idea, you know, what 4G is. 0.99

01:00:15.000 They don't know shit. 0.99

01:00:16.000 They don't know about cutting leaves and being ants. 1.00

01:00:18.000 But they're around it all the time. 0.98

01:00:20.000 It's very possible that there's some shit like that in other dimensions that are equally bizarre. 0.83

01:00:26.000 That we are not connected to all the time. 0.96

01:00:29.000 And they might be here all the time.

01:00:31.000 And if that's the case, then it makes sense that they would start showing up when we were in the middle of dropping nukes on each other.

01:00:37.000 They'd be like, hey, hey, hey, hey. 0.96

01:00:41.000 It'd be like when your parents heard you just beating the shit out of each other in the other room. 0.99

01:00:45.000 They'd come in and be like, all right, fucking settle down. 1.00

01:00:47.000 Settle down, boys. 1.00

01:00:48.000 You're going to fuck up the drywall now. 1.00

01:00:50.000 Yeah, you guys are crashing into fucking TVs and shit. 1.00

01:00:52.000 They're like, hey! 1.00

01:00:53.000 That's all it is. 1.00

01:00:54.000 We're just their dumb kids in the next room making a bunch of noise. 0.98

01:00:58.000 Because maybe they needed to let us know, like, hey, there's some other folks here. 1.00

01:01:03.000 And they're way more advanced and settle the fuck down. 0.85

01:01:07.000 And we're trying to bring you along, just, you know. 0.99

01:01:09.000 The problem is, with all that stuff, is it's so hard to know what's true and what's bullshit. 0.78

01:01:15.000 Just like the Bigfoot thing. 0.65

01:01:16.000 It's so hard to know.

01:01:18.000 Well, the Bigfoot thing's way easier, right?

01:01:19.000 But the UFO thing, there's way more evidence. 0.99

01:01:22.000 It's so hard to know what's bullshit. 0.98

01:01:26.000 It's so hard. 0.99

01:01:27.000 It's so hard to know who's telling the truth and who's lying.

01:01:30.000 It's so hard to know what involvement the government has in terms of, like, how many of these things are drones.

01:01:37.000 You know, you're hearing now that a lot of these people that believe that these things are flying around, they think that what we're dealing with is some sort of a government drone. 0.96

01:01:48.000 And that a lot of this off-world craft talk is really just misinformation so that they don't have to take accountability for having some crazy thing that China doesn't have or maybe China has that we don't have and they want to lie about it, you know, and try to develop whatever the fuck they have. 0.98

01:02:03.000 Yeah. 0.93

01:02:04.000 And when you find out what they're really doing, then it's like, okay, now this makes sense.

01:02:09.000 Now that makes sense. 0.91

01:02:11.000 Because you're having to fucking do all this to develop that. 0.96

01:02:14.000 Well, you know, there's a whole conspiracy about the invention of the transistor. 0.98

01:02:18.000 Because the transistor came about right after Roswell.

01:02:23.000 And there's a company called Bell Labs.

01:02:26.000 And Bell Labs was...

01:02:28.000 I believe they were the people that invented the transistor.

01:02:31.000 And there was a military base right outside of Bell Labs.

01:02:36.000 And they had always said that that military base was to protect New York City.

01:02:39.000 But it was pretty far from New York City.

01:02:41.000 Like, if you wanted to protect New York City, you put a base a lot closer.

01:02:44.000 You wouldn't...

01:02:45.000 You wouldn't put it so far away where it would take them like 40 minutes to fly there.

01:02:48.000 Yeah.

01:02:49.000 But Bell Labs is a wild place.

01:02:52.000 And that was one of the main focal points of conspiracy theorists when they were talking about back engineering stuff from crashed UFOs.

01:03:02.000 It was fiber optics and transistors.

01:03:05.000 And that they all came about very shortly after Roswell.

01:03:08.000 And people don't exactly know how they figured those out.

01:03:12.000 Those were probably the most basic things that they recovered.

01:03:17.000 So they were the easiest to figure out.

01:03:18.000 So that's why we had them first. 1.00

01:03:21.000 It's just like those fucking PlayStations. 0.99

01:03:24.000 They release a better one every few years. 0.99

01:03:27.000 Maybe they had PlayStation 5 in 95, but they're still giving us PlayStation 1. Because they want to sell all five.

01:03:33.000 Well, they can't just give us a time machine.

01:03:35.000 They have to give us a spaceship first. 1.00

01:03:37.000 Like, first of all, you've got to figure out travel, you morons. 1.00

01:03:40.000 And we won't even need a fucking spaceship once we've got a time machine. 1.00

01:03:44.000 Yeah, then we'll give you the Big Bang machine. 0.98

01:03:46.000 That takes time.

01:03:47.000 You've got to get to a higher level civilization.

01:03:50.000 Have you heard of a Dyson Sphere?

01:03:52.000 Do you know what a Dyson Sphere is?

01:03:53.000 I've heard of it.

01:03:54.000 What is it?

01:03:55.000 I don't know.

01:03:55.000 Well, it's a massive structure that some astronomers believe could indicate highly advanced intelligent life somewhere in the universe.

01:04:07.000 They've never been discovered, but they've been theorized.

01:04:10.000 There was this article that I was reading yesterday about it.

01:04:13.000 See if you can find it.

01:04:14.000 So it can tell you where it would be?

01:04:16.000 They think they're massive structures that are literally like a structure the size of a solar system. 0.99

01:04:22.000 And somebody made that and those fucking things are out there? 0.94

01:04:24.000 Well, this is just theorized, right, when they were talking about the highest potential level of technological ability. 0.98

01:04:32.000 That you could get to?

01:04:33.000 Yeah.

01:04:34.000 I mean, imagine if you got to a place where you had a self-contained solar system that's completely gone.

01:04:41.000 Controlled by these intelligent beings, but that's immune to all of the hazards of space. 0.99

01:04:46.000 What if we're in that motherfucker? 1.00

01:04:48.000 We might be. 1.00

01:04:49.000 That's the simulation.

01:04:49.000 We might be.

01:04:50.000 We might be.

01:04:51.000 And Thanos is like a type two civilization, one that can directly harness, harvest rather, the energy of its star using a Dyson sphere or something similar.

01:05:01.000 So it like is solar powered basically? 0.96

01:05:04.000 Well, I don't know what the fuck it is. 0.76

01:05:07.000 I mean, I think it's totally theoretical. 0.96

01:05:08.000 There's no real versions of them that are out there.

01:05:11.000 But the idea is that if technological proficiency and innovation continues at the level that it is now for millions of years, what does it get to?

01:05:19.000 Yeah.

01:05:20.000 But you know what?

01:05:21.000 It's probably going to get weirder than that. 1.00

01:05:23.000 Because it's shit you can imagine. 0.99

01:05:25.000 Like, remember the 80s when you fucking had a Walkman? 1.00

01:05:27.000 Right. 0.97

01:05:28.000 Whoa, what are they going to have in a few years?

01:05:30.000 Right.

01:05:31.000 I'll be able to, you know, you probably thought it was still going to be a cassette tape. 0.99

01:05:34.000 Like, when you watch The Fifth Element or Blade Runner, they're still using fucking telephones. 0.98

01:05:39.000 They didn't even think of cell phones. 0.99

01:05:41.000 Right.

01:05:41.000 But that's our most obvious thing that we have right now.

01:05:45.000 Star Trek, they had a walkie-talkie.

01:05:46.000 Yeah.

01:05:47.000 Kirk out.

01:05:47.000 Right.

01:05:47.000 Because you're still like relating it from like 1960 military shit.

01:05:52.000 That's the Pong of space. 0.99

01:05:53.000 Yeah.

01:05:54.000 Right?

01:05:54.000 Exactly, dude.

01:05:55.000 That's not the Unreal 5 engine.

01:05:56.000 That's Pong. 0.99

01:05:57.000 So it's going to fucking God of War? 0.99

01:05:59.000 Mm-hmm. 1.00

01:06:00.000 Holy shit, dude. 1.00

01:06:00.000 Yeah, it's going to keep going. 1.00

01:06:02.000 That's what I think artificial intelligence is.

01:06:05.000 I think...

01:06:07.000 And this is a...

01:06:08.000 I don't really think this.

01:06:09.000 This is just a thought.

01:06:11.000 Maybe the universe is God and maybe the way God is created is through intelligent life.

01:06:19.000 That intelligent life creates a far superior version of itself in artificial intelligence and that creates a far better version of itself infinitely.

01:06:31.000 They just keep making better versions of itself as it has more of an understanding and more capacity and it grows and it makes better versions of itself.

01:06:38.000 It's eventually going to get to God-like powers, the power to create universes, the power to create solar systems, the power to stop time, reverse time, the power to traverse immense distances instantaneously.

01:06:52.000 It'll just have capabilities that we could only imagine.

01:06:58.000 We could just imagine if, and it can do that.

01:07:02.000 If we look at how we're living right now in comparison To how people were living when they were making those cave paintings.

01:07:11.000 Like, wow.

01:07:12.000 Insane. 1.00

01:07:13.000 Cave paintings to fucking... 1.00

01:07:15.000 It's not going to stop right here. 0.99

01:07:17.000 Yeah, but what's the things they can do?

01:07:18.000 The 3D printing?

01:07:20.000 3D printing? 0.99

01:07:21.000 That's fucking crazy, dude. 1.00

01:07:22.000 No, it's insane. 1.00

01:07:23.000 I mean...

01:07:24.000 Well, you know, that's what they think the spaceships are made out of now.

01:07:27.000 Yeah.

01:07:27.000 Like, when Bob Lazar was first examining, if he's telling the truth, when Bob Lazar was first examining the spaceships, the thing that blew him away was there was no seams.

01:07:35.000 It didn't make any sense.

01:07:35.000 Like, how could one even make something like this?

01:07:38.000 Well, now that we know, there's 3D printers, and you could make something like that.

01:07:42.000 Yeah.

01:07:42.000 You could, I mean, I don't think you could make it that scale yet, but if you had enough of a capability, you had machines that could do it.

01:07:48.000 Well, yeah, I mean, if we thought of it...

01:07:49.000 And we're doing it, and they're fucking 60 million light years ahead of us? 0.94

01:07:55.000 Right. 0.98

01:07:55.000 Like, who's to say they're not? 0.98

01:07:57.000 Who's to say they're not 60,000 years ahead of us, or 600,000, or 6 million?

01:08:02.000 Or, like, think about it. 0.99

01:08:03.000 If you have a fucking time machine, you could go back to check out some shit that already happened, but you could also go forward. 0.99

01:08:11.000 I mean, we just have no comprehension of what you could... 0.99

01:08:14.000 Maybe you could, like...

01:08:16.000 Start a project in your lab, right?

01:08:19.000 And then travel. 1.00

01:08:21.000 And you get all these fucking AI robots to work on it. 0.99

01:08:24.000 And then you travel way forward in time and go get it. 0.99

01:08:27.000 And then bring it back. 0.99

01:08:28.000 And then it's the fucking ultimate thing. 0.99

01:08:31.000 You know? 0.98

01:08:33.000 That's what I'd be doing if I had time machines. 0.96

01:08:35.000 I'd be like, alright, I'm going to get all these fucking helpers to build these awesome monuments and then I'm going to go in for it in time and check on it. 0.96

01:08:43.000 You know what I mean? 0.89

01:08:44.000 If you could manipulate time and travel through time like it's an element, have you ever checked out?

01:08:51.000 You wouldn't be able to experience it.

01:08:53.000 Because, like, you would always be involved in time being manipulated.

01:08:57.000 So there'd be no static time.

01:08:59.000 So even in this static time, something could intervene instantaneously, always, forever.

01:09:05.000 But what if we don't really understand the nature of time to make those definitions?

01:09:10.000 What if you could get this time machine?

01:09:12.000 What if you could kind of, like...

01:09:14.000 Step out of time in a lot of different ways that you don't think, you know what I'm saying?

01:09:19.000 Right, right, right.

01:09:20.000 Like you could go into a timeline and you don't even necessarily affect that timeline.

01:09:26.000 If you know how to just observe it.

01:09:28.000 Right.

01:09:29.000 And not like physically disturb it.

01:09:32.000 But you do affect it if you go forward in the future.

01:09:35.000 The idea of a time machine...

01:09:37.000 The current idea of a time machine is that you can't travel where there are no roads.

01:09:43.000 So once a time machine is invented, then everything from that time that time machine is invented forward becomes a completely different way of using time.

01:09:56.000 Because time now is non-linear.

01:09:58.000 Time now, anyone can go.

01:10:01.000 So everything happens all at once.

01:10:04.000 So people from the future will be traveling back to the moment where the first time machine is invented.

01:10:09.000 So everything will change instantly.

01:10:11.000 Because if you're gonna invent a time machine and you live a million years in the future, assuming that humans even exist if a time machine gets invented, I mean, we might become obsolete almost instantaneously.

01:10:20.000 But if you were a live human being a million years after the time machine is invented, you would want to go back to the moment the thing was made. 0.98

01:10:29.000 So the moment they turn that motherfucker on, everything changes forever. 0.99

01:10:34.000 Singularity. 1.00

01:10:35.000 Yeah, that might be the real singularity.

01:10:37.000 That was one of McKennan's theories.

01:10:40.000 Terence McKenna believed that we were going to come up with a time machine.

01:10:43.000 He thought that was going to happen around December 21st, 2012. Well, you've checked out his Time Weave Zero and all that stuff.

01:10:50.000 Yeah.

01:10:51.000 And you know how they came up with that? 0.99

01:10:53.000 Those Taoist priests and shit? 0.99

01:10:55.000 How did they? 1.00

01:10:56.000 The fucking I Ching, dude. 1.00

01:10:57.000 Right, right, right. 1.00

01:10:57.000 They would go into deep meditations and they would take mushrooms too. 1.00

01:11:00.000 And they found out that time can be mapped and predicted. 0.99

01:11:07.000 That's where the fucking I Ching comes from. 1.00

01:11:09.000 People in the 60s got all into the I Ching. 0.99

01:11:12.000 The I Ching is like a game, right? 0.99

01:11:13.000 No, it's a book.

01:11:16.000 It's made up of...

01:11:18.000 I'm not like an expert on it.

01:11:19.000 But isn't there a game that's involved with the I Ching that McKenna sort of patented a pattern of Time Wave Zero on?

01:11:26.000 I don't know if he made a game of it, but it's not...

01:11:28.000 Is the I Ching a game? 0.98

01:11:30.000 It's like a fortune-telling system.

01:11:32.000 Right, that's what it's like.

01:11:33.000 It's like a form of...

01:11:34.000 Divination.

01:11:35.000 Divination, right.

01:11:36.000 Yeah, it is like a fortune-telling thing.

01:11:38.000 That's what it is.

01:11:39.000 It's not a game.

01:11:40.000 Yeah.

01:11:40.000 I was trying to remember how he...

01:11:41.000 I haven't heard his stuff in a long time.

01:11:43.000 Try to remember how he described it, but most people that have looked at Time Wave Zero think it's kind of nonsense, including guys like Paul Stamets.

01:11:51.000 They're like, eh, he was probably tripping real hard when he came up with that.

01:11:55.000 I don't know.

01:11:56.000 I think it's above their head, dude.

01:11:57.000 It might be? 0.99

01:11:59.000 It also is a ridiculous thing to subscribe to. 0.79

01:12:02.000 So a lot of people are reluctant to open themselves up to ridicule. 0.69

01:12:06.000 But so is everything. 0.97

01:12:07.000 Everything's ridiculous. 0.95

01:12:08.000 Everything's ridiculous. 1.00

01:12:09.000 All these religions and everything that everybody fucking is into, everything's ridiculous. 1.00

01:12:14.000 Nothing is... 1.00

01:12:15.000 Taoism and Time Wave Zero is any more ridiculous than anything else that people are fucking... 1.00

01:12:20.000 Tarot cards. 0.99

01:12:22.000 I think it's really interesting because those...

01:12:25.000 I really get into ancient Chinese culture.

01:12:27.000 I was into Kung Fu at a young age, so I've studied a lot of Chinese philosophy, Taoism, all that stuff.

01:12:34.000 Those people are highly intelligent spiritual people who are doing deep meditations and discovering really profound truths.

01:12:43.000 I think that we are at a level where we're so intellectual that we're almost too intellectual.

01:12:50.000 So it's almost like...

01:12:52.000 We can only think about things in this scale.

01:12:57.000 Like people see in a certain frequency, they can only see certain lights, but like dogs can hear sounds we can't hear.

01:13:05.000 So it's just like that. 0.99

01:13:07.000 It's like our fucking intellect is like this. 1.00

01:13:09.000 And we can figure out... 0.99

01:13:11.000 Because we exist within the context of our culture.

01:13:14.000 Because we've fallen in love with this.

01:13:15.000 Right.

01:13:16.000 But there's also this and your spirit...

01:13:20.000 That's what figured out the Dao Cha Ching. 0.99

01:13:23.000 That's what figured out how to tame horses and be one with them and domesticate primates. 0.89

01:13:29.000 It wasn't just us thinking cerebrally.

01:13:32.000 That's kind of limited.

01:13:33.000 I think our real being is deeper than that.

01:13:39.000 You know what I mean?

01:13:40.000 I think you can learn and know things.

01:13:43.000 Because I don't think about my ideas for art.

01:13:45.000 I don't try to come up with them intellectually.

01:13:49.000 I just meditate and I wait for it to find me.

01:13:52.000 And that's not an intellectual practice.

01:13:56.000 Right.

01:13:56.000 You know?

01:13:57.000 But obviously it yields results, right?

01:13:58.000 So it's the right way to do it.

01:14:00.000 Yep.

01:14:00.000 Meanwhile, people wouldn't think about that.

01:14:02.000 They would think, oh, like, what's the straight...

01:14:05.000 How do you do this?

01:14:06.000 You add these boards and that's how you make a house.

01:14:09.000 They want a system.

01:14:09.000 You add these switches and that's how you make a computer.

01:14:11.000 Exactly.

01:14:12.000 Yeah.

01:14:12.000 That's why, like, Bruce Lee...

01:14:15.000 Innovated martial arts because he said, like, let's kind of break down all these systems.

01:14:19.000 Let's not adhere to these.

01:14:21.000 He called it organized despair.

01:14:24.000 All the karate forms and just doing your sparring and not really doing live training is a threshold that you don't want to cross. 0.98

01:14:33.000 So you're stuck in this, like, let's go through all these boring, stupid rituals to try to Prop up our bullshit society when it's like, no, I think we've taken intellect as far as it's going to go. 0.96

01:14:47.000 I think if we're going to get to the next level, we have to go deeper this way. 0.99

01:14:53.000 And you know what I mean?

01:14:54.000 Well, I think it should be both, right?

01:14:57.000 And I think the problem is that with money...

01:15:00.000 And with capitalism and our society and what our reward system is based on, it rewards people going towards the things that are going to get you results that you could show other people, you know?

01:15:12.000 Like houses and cars and stuff like that.

01:15:14.000 Like a quick result?

01:15:16.000 Well, like a physical, tangible thing that's measured and cherished by society as opposed to spiritual growth.

01:15:23.000 We don't think of spiritual growth as being... 0.96

01:15:26.000 It's almost like a frivolous pursuit of silly people.

01:15:29.000 Oh, I'm working on my spiritual growth. 1.00

01:15:31.000 You fucking lazy bitch. 1.00

01:15:33.000 Like, what are you doing? 1.00

01:15:33.000 You're not doing shit. 1.00

01:15:34.000 What are you actually doing? 1.00

01:15:35.000 You're just sitting around eating fucking cookies all day. 1.00

01:15:37.000 Yeah, you're not doing anything. 1.00

01:15:39.000 Self-love.

01:15:40.000 Okay.

01:15:40.000 Settle down.

01:15:44.000 Maybe you love yourself too much.

01:15:46.000 Yeah, maybe you think about yourself too much.

01:15:48.000 There's so many other things to think about, you know, and it's just, we have a very complex society that has a gravity to it, and it sucks you in, and it makes you a part of it, and you don't have a whole lot of say.

01:16:00.000 You get locked in, and you get locked in when you're real young, get indoctrinated in the education system, and then you get outside of it, and you have to make a living and take care of yourself and pay your bills.

01:16:13.000 You get locked in.

01:16:14.000 Meanwhile, space.

01:16:16.000 Meanwhile, space is happening right above you.

01:16:19.000 And every now and then you're forced to see it.

01:16:20.000 Like, I don't know if you guys got any of the northern lights from the solar storms.

01:16:24.000 Just like one, yeah.

01:16:25.000 Did you get it?

01:16:25.000 Yeah.

01:16:26.000 What was it like?

01:16:27.000 Just, I mean, I didn't see it.

01:16:28.000 My daughter was just sending me pictures of it.

01:16:30.000 My buddy lives in Montana and he was sending me photos of what's going on.

01:16:34.000 And Jamie, you're a buddy in Ohio, right?

01:16:36.000 Well, yeah, all my friends in Ohio saw it.

01:16:37.000 Yeah, it's wild.

01:16:40.000 It's crazy how that just happened all over the place.

01:16:44.000 Well, we knew about it.

01:16:45.000 We knew they were coming because there's two different types of radiation that comes from those storms when they have these big coronal mass ejections.

01:16:55.000 One of them reaches us in seconds.

01:16:57.000 I think that's gamma waves.

01:17:00.000 Is that what that is?

01:17:01.000 That reaches us in seconds?

01:17:02.000 And then the second one takes days to get us, and that's the one that can take out your cell phone towers and fuck up communications and shut down the grid.

01:17:12.000 If it gets big enough, we're really doomed.

01:17:14.000 Wow.

01:17:15.000 Yeah, we have a very, very vulnerable system.

01:17:18.000 And we're essentially living in a house...

01:17:22.000 With a glass ceiling, hoping that it doesn't hail. 0.71

01:17:28.000 Don't help me sleep good at night.

01:17:30.000 Right?

01:17:30.000 If you park your car outside, you know, most of the time, your car's fine.

01:17:35.000 Most of the time, it doesn't hail. 0.99

01:17:36.000 But if it hails, your car's fucked up. 0.98

01:17:38.000 And you've got a glass ceiling on that car. 1.00

01:17:40.000 Your car's going to get fucked up. 0.96

01:17:41.000 I'm sure you've seen, like, damage that hail's caused to people's cars. 1.00

01:17:47.000 Fuck, man. 0.99

01:17:48.000 And that is an unpredictable thing that happens way more often than these massive solar ejections. 1.00

01:17:55.000 But if they get big enough... 0.99

01:17:57.000 If they get big enough, we're fucked. 0.99

01:17:58.000 If they get big enough, we are back in the caveman days, kids. 0.99

01:18:02.000 I mean, we still have books, and we'll be reading them by candlelight.

01:18:05.000 But all refrigeration's gone.

01:18:08.000 You're going to have biodiesel generators.

01:18:10.000 You're going to have to rethink about energy.

01:18:10.000 Start making beef jerky again.

01:18:13.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:18:13.000 You're going to need beef jerky.

01:18:14.000 You're going to need water purification tablets.

01:18:17.000 You're going to need someone who can figure out how to make those water purification tablets without electricity.

01:18:22.000 Someone to test the water on before you drink it.

01:18:25.000 Bro. 1.00

01:18:25.000 You need a whole bunch of shit. 1.00

01:18:26.000 It could get real squirrely. 1.00

01:18:29.000 When they have a coronal mass ejection, there's two different types of...

01:18:32.000 I know.

01:18:32.000 I'm lost in the science of it.

01:18:36.000 First, it said all waves travel at the same speed, which I was like, okay, that's not what we're looking for.

01:18:40.000 Right here, it says they all travel at the speed of light.

01:18:42.000 The waves do.

01:18:44.000 Visible or gamma.

01:18:45.000 Right.

01:18:45.000 So those reach us in a few seconds.

01:18:48.000 But then I'm seeing they end up traveling up to a million miles a second.

01:18:52.000 Whoa.

01:18:52.000 So I'm trying to find out which waves are the ones we're talking about then.

01:18:56.000 So how many million miles away is...

01:18:57.000 Is that faster than light?

01:18:59.000 A million miles a second?

01:19:00.000 In my head, I was about to do that calculation next.

01:19:03.000 I think it is, but...

01:19:04.000 Really?

01:19:06.000 The speed of light is like something meters per second.

01:19:09.000 This is how we figure out time travel. 1.00

01:19:11.000 These motherfuckers. 1.00

01:19:12.000 It's like 278,000 meters per second or something. 1.00

01:19:16.000 I guess that could be close to a million miles per second.

01:19:19.000 I don't know. 1.00

01:19:20.000 Either way, that motherfucker is not stable. 1.00

01:19:23.000 Dude. 1.00

01:19:24.000 That sun, I mean, it's fairly stable.

01:19:26.000 But every now and then, it'll blow a gasket, and you get just crazy waves headed towards us. 0.97

01:19:32.000 That's like having a really crazy friend that just might fucking freak out. 0.58

01:19:36.000 Yeah, one dude can bring him to a bar. 0.99

01:19:37.000 He's got PTSD, he's on LSD. No, he's a good dude, I swear.

01:19:45.000 What was the worst version of it?

01:19:48.000 Wasn't there something that happened that took out like Morse code towers in the 1800s? 0.98

01:19:53.000 I think there was one big historical mass ejection that was documented within the last couple hundred years that they say if it happened today we would be really fucked. 0.67

01:20:06.000 The Carrington event is what it's called. 0.83

01:20:09.000 The most intense geomagnetic storm in recorded history.

01:20:12.000 When was that one?

01:20:13.000 September 1st and 2nd of 1859. And so the Carrington event, most intense geomagnetic storm in recorded history, peaking from 1 to 2 September 1859 during solar cycle 10, created strong auroral displays that were reported globally and caused sparking and even fires in multiple telegraph stations.

01:20:35.000 Yeah, so what the fuck would that do today?

01:20:38.000 So it just blows up everything that has electricity in it? 0.98

01:20:41.000 Yeah, just cooks everything.

01:20:42.000 Dude, what if everybody's car just blew up? 0.99

01:20:45.000 Everybody's fucking house just blew up? 1.00

01:20:47.000 Oh yeah, it probably would. 1.00

01:20:48.000 Probably cook your fucking computer in your car. 0.99

01:20:50.000 September 1st, as Carrington was sketching on sunspots, he was blinded by a sudden flash of light. 1.00

01:20:55.000 Carrington described it as a white light flare, according to a NASA space flight.

01:21:01.000 The whole event lasted about five minutes.

01:21:03.000 The flare was a major coronal mass ejection, a burst of magnetized plasma from the Sun's upper atmosphere, the corona.

01:21:11.000 In 17.6 hours, the coronal mass ejection traversed over 90 million miles between the Sun, okay, that's the distance between the Sun and the Earth, 150 million kilometers, and unleashed its force on our planet.

01:21:24.000 According to NASA spaceflight, it usually takes CMEs multiple days to reach Earth.

01:21:30.000 The day after Carrington observed the impressive flare, Earth experienced an unprecedented geomagnetic storm with telegraph systems going haywire and auroral displays normally confined to polar latitudes visible in the tropics, according to NASA science.

01:21:45.000 Carrington put two and two together and realized that the solar flare he'd seen was almost certainly the cause of this massive geomagnetic disturbance.

01:21:54.000 This was a connection that had never previously been made according to NASA spaceflight.

01:21:58.000 The solar storm of 1859 is now known as the Carrington event in his honor.

01:22:03.000 Wow.

01:22:04.000 So if that happened today, Google what would happen if the Carrington event happened today.

01:22:11.000 Let's find out what happened there. 1.00

01:22:12.000 Your fucking cell phone just blows up. 1.00

01:22:14.000 Oh, probably. 1.00

01:22:15.000 It probably cooks everything.

01:22:16.000 But that's what's really scary is that all of our cars are controlled by computers. 1.00

01:22:20.000 Unless you have an old car that has a carburetor, you're fucked. 0.99

01:22:23.000 Unless you have an old-ass, you know, 1988 Toyota truck, you're in a bad spot. 1.00

01:22:32.000 Right there.

01:22:32.000 What would happen with a Carrington event today?

01:22:35.000 People ask.

01:22:35.000 First one.

01:22:36.000 Click on that.

01:22:38.000 As such, Hudson suggested that a solar flare on the level of Carrington event might not pose as big a threat to humankind as some fears.

01:22:46.000 Still, a Carrington event pointed at Earth today would have substantial impacts mainly on human activities in space.

01:22:53.000 Also, it wouldn't kill our grid? 0.98

01:22:56.000 I think they're just fucking guessing. 0.96

01:22:58.000 Yeah, they don't want to freak people out, dude. 0.98

01:23:01.000 I don't know.

01:23:04.000 Because if it's never happened, how do you know what would happen?

01:23:07.000 Also, that one, the Carrington event, we don't really totally know how big it was.

01:23:13.000 Right, because they didn't have the instruments to measure it back then.

01:23:16.000 And what if there's one that's double that?

01:23:18.000 If that can happen, something bigger can happen.

01:23:20.000 I mean, it's not...

01:23:22.000 I mean, we've only been around a short amount of time. 0.98

01:23:25.000 The fucking sun's been around for billions of years. 0.99

01:23:29.000 Like, how long is it? 1.00

01:23:30.000 Every now and then it shoots off a big wad of jizz and blasts us with some plasma.

01:23:35.000 Just destroys all our technology.

01:23:37.000 He's just up there.

01:23:39.000 You know, when they first started observing gamma-ray bursts in the universe, they thought that there was wars going on in space.

01:23:48.000 Well, yeah, when they first started detecting these gamma-ray bursts, they found that they were happening, like, every couple seconds, all over space.

01:23:56.000 And they were reading too much science fiction.

01:23:58.000 No, no, they realized—well, they didn't know what it was.

01:24:01.000 Like, what are these bursts?

01:24:02.000 And then they realized there's something called hypernovas.

01:24:05.000 So if our sun goes hypernova, that's a wrap.

01:24:09.000 That's a wrap for everything.

01:24:10.000 It just blows up?

01:24:11.000 Yeah, but it cooks the whole solar system. 0.99

01:24:13.000 And that's what they're detecting all over the place?

01:24:15.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:24:16.000 So suns are always fucking blown up? 0.97

01:24:17.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:24:18.000 Well, there's so many of them.

01:24:19.000 Eventually, they reach the end of their life cycle, and if they hypernova, if they're big enough, and they have enough mass, and they hypernova, that's a wrap for the whole solar system. 0.99

01:24:28.000 Fuck. 0.96

01:24:29.000 Yeah, I think it's a wrap for other solar systems that are close by, too. 1.00

01:24:32.000 I think it's a wrap for pretty much everything.

01:24:35.000 But maybe you get to that point where...

01:24:38.000 What is this, Jamie?

01:24:40.000 Captures a supernova?

01:24:42.000 Hypernova is actually even bigger than a supernova.

01:24:45.000 So this is the Hubble telescope captured a supernova. 0.99

01:24:50.000 But there was a – I think it was the Science Channel had this documentary on hypernovas where these people were talking about how when they first started measuring them, they were like, oh, shit. 0.94

01:25:02.000 Because this was like post-World War II. We understand atomic bombs. 0.94

01:25:06.000 Like what do these guys have?

01:25:08.000 These guys are blowing up whole planets out there. 1.00

01:25:11.000 Like, oh, fuck. 1.00

01:25:12.000 Imagine thinking that the universe is teeming with life and that life is so violent that it's blowing up planets. 1.00

01:25:19.000 Total Star Wars shit. 1.00

01:25:21.000 If you were that scientist, you'd just have to be like, holy fuck. 1.00

01:25:24.000 What do I tell people? 1.00

01:25:26.000 Yeah.

01:25:26.000 And you probably wouldn't want to tell them that, but you'd have to tell, like, the generals.

01:25:31.000 I would think there might be fucking Star Wars going on here. 0.96

01:25:33.000 I'm sure they had meetings. 0.99

01:25:35.000 I'm sure they had meetings.

01:25:36.000 When they first detected these things, I'm sure they were like, oh, Jesus, guys.

01:25:39.000 Okay, Mr. Eisenhower, we've got some problems.

01:25:42.000 What are we going to do? 0.99

01:25:43.000 We might not be shit after all. 0.99

01:25:46.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:25:47.000 Well, we're something to us, but in the greater scheme of it all, I mean, the universe doesn't seem to care if it cooks entire solar systems every couple seconds.

01:25:56.000 Well, because, I mean, the universe has to know more than we do, so we're over here thinking we're all badass. 0.97

01:26:02.000 How do we know it's not better if you get zapped and then you fucking appear in a different dimension? 0.94

01:26:07.000 That's probably what happens. 0.98

01:26:09.000 What are hypernovas?

01:26:11.000 I was gonna show you this one I was just finding on this video about the largest supernova ever SN 1572 which I guess that's the year so it was said it was visible for 23 days oh my god 362 nights wow so then like I'm watching the video this is non-scientific It could look like a star or a planet that wasn't actually there if they were observing it for so long.

01:26:36.000 It would have ended up in a book.

01:26:38.000 What would they have thought was going on?

01:26:40.000 Would they have known it was a supernova back then?

01:26:42.000 How much did they know about that?

01:26:43.000 How big did they say they saw?

01:26:45.000 Did they talk about it?

01:26:46.000 Well, I'm trying to just go off without listening to the video.

01:26:49.000 I'm just going off pictures and words and stuff.

01:26:53.000 I'm not quite sure, though.

01:26:54.000 Can you imagine living back then? 0.98

01:26:56.000 You see some fucking flare in the sky. 0.99

01:26:58.000 Yeah, that's what they were looking at. 1.00

01:27:00.000 Look at that bullshit telescope. 1.00

01:27:03.000 He puts his eye up to it and it just fries his fucking eye out. 1.00

01:27:06.000 Oh, right. 0.99

01:27:07.000 Imagine. 0.99

01:27:08.000 Yeah, those dummies. 1.00

01:27:09.000 He's looking right at the super... 0.96

01:27:10.000 Did you watch the eclipse?

01:27:14.000 The last one?

01:27:15.000 No.

01:27:15.000 You didn't see it?

01:27:16.000 No.

01:27:16.000 No?

01:27:17.000 Oh my god, it was wild, man.

01:27:18.000 It was weird.

01:27:18.000 I saw the one before that I was down in Santa Fe.

01:27:22.000 Oh yeah?

01:27:22.000 And so I was outside, but I can't remember what I was doing, but I was like, oh, there's an eclipse.

01:27:26.000 That's how out of touch I am, dude.

01:27:27.000 I don't even hear about it.

01:27:28.000 Well, this was such a big one that everybody was preparing, and, you know, Roka sent us some sunglasses, so I went out in my backyard and watched it.

01:27:35.000 It was pretty dope, man.

01:27:36.000 It's weird to hear all the birds stop chirping.

01:27:40.000 Like, everything stopped.

01:27:41.000 All the sounds stopped.

01:27:42.000 And then you just have this bizarre moment for a couple minutes where it's dark out.

01:27:47.000 Yeah, it's all weird and empty.

01:27:49.000 And then the eclipse looked amazing.

01:27:52.000 It's so weird that the sun and the moon are the perfect size.

01:27:58.000 That they line up that way.

01:28:00.000 That gets people, like, weirded out.

01:28:02.000 They go, how is...

01:28:03.000 What are the odds?

01:28:04.000 Is there any other planet in our solar system that experiences that?

01:28:11.000 What are the odds that the one planet that has intelligent life, that it's blocked out perfectly by our moon, And what does that do?

01:28:22.000 I don't know, man.

01:28:23.000 It may be superstitious or something, but I think those cosmic cycles...

01:28:29.000 I think it's a reminder.

01:28:30.000 Yeah.

01:28:30.000 I think it's certainly a reminder of just the vastness and bizarreness of space itself when you realize, like, oh, there's a giant nuclear explosion in the sky that keeps the lights on.

01:28:44.000 Yeah, and then there's this other...

01:28:45.000 And every now and then it gets blocked. 0.98

01:28:47.000 Yeah, the other fucking rock that just blocks it out is perfectly sized and shaped. 0.96

01:28:53.000 And that rock is also perfectly sized to give us a stable gravity. 0.98

01:28:59.000 That we're not wobbling enough so that we don't vary too much in our temperature.

01:29:03.000 It keeps us stable because it's pretty big. 0.97

01:29:05.000 That moon's pretty fucking big. 0.78

01:29:07.000 And the tides and everything. 1.00

01:29:08.000 All that shit. 0.99

01:29:09.000 It's all very weird. 0.99

01:29:11.000 What the anteclips of one of the moons of Mars looks like.

01:29:15.000 It's so small.

01:29:16.000 It doesn't fit perfectly.

01:29:17.000 Yeah, it doesn't fit perfectly at all.

01:29:19.000 It just goes across it.

01:29:20.000 So that's the shadow that it casts?

01:29:22.000 That weird...

01:29:24.000 I wonder if there's...are there any other planets in the solar system that would experience an eclipse that's similar to ours?

01:29:32.000 I was trying to just look at that.

01:29:33.000 Like, I was thinking Saturn's got multiple moons.

01:29:35.000 Is there any way...

01:29:36.000 It kind of would have to be...

01:29:38.000 They all line up at one time.

01:29:39.000 Right.

01:29:39.000 It would have to be a moon.

01:29:40.000 Like, one of them would have to line up, and it'd have to be the same size as the Sun, in terms of, like, how it fits in the sky, the distance, so that it's the perfect size to block it out.

01:29:51.000 Because it's so perfect.

01:29:53.000 Like, all you see is, like, as it passes over, you just see the outside light.

01:29:58.000 You see this black circle in the outside light.

01:30:00.000 And there's a weird ring.

01:30:01.000 It's perfect.

01:30:02.000 Yeah.

01:30:03.000 It's perfectly established to give us an eclipse.

01:30:07.000 That is weird when you think about it.

01:30:09.000 It is, but the whole thing's weird.

01:30:11.000 It's probably one of the least weird things about space.

01:30:14.000 Yeah.

01:30:15.000 I mean, like, I had an astronomy class in high school, and that class would just trip me out. 0.52

01:30:21.000 Hearing about how infinite and like the white dwarves and the pulsars and all the shit that's out there that they can see so far out there is wild. 0.90

01:30:31.000 And then I got really sad when Eddie said space is fake. 0.97

01:30:37.000 I don't think he's an expert.

01:30:39.000 I was like, Eddie, because you beat Hoyler, I'm going to listen to you.

01:30:43.000 There's some real interesting stuff that's going on now where they're finding galaxies that are so far away and are so far formed, they're so well formed, that they don't think that they should exist, given the timeline of the universe.

01:30:59.000 They're very confused as to how these things exist where they exist, that they shouldn't have been formed in this way. 0.98

01:31:05.000 It's one of those fucking things. 0.98

01:31:07.000 Well, I think what it is is it's probably – the universe is probably older than we think it is. 0.99

01:31:11.000 I think they're just – with the Webb telescope, they're just starting to be able to detect these structures in deep space that they're so far away and they're so old that they shouldn't be able to exist if the Big Bang happened 13.7 billion years ago.

01:31:28.000 Maybe they found a way to stabilize themselves.

01:31:31.000 Like if you're – because you've got to think.

01:31:32.000 Like if you're in the right place at the right time, your technology – Your technology advances high enough before you destroy yourself. 0.92

01:31:40.000 Maybe you don't have a planet where everybody likes to kill each other and you have world wars every fucking hundred years.

01:31:46.000 And you don't nuke whatever and you build your technology in a good way. 0.99

01:31:51.000 Maybe you could stabilize it so a fucking big bang happens and you got some time wave zero shit that... 0.99

01:31:57.000 You know? 0.99

01:31:58.000 That's the least likely. 0.99

01:32:00.000 I'm just making shit up.

01:32:17.000 An international research team led by Carl Gleisenbrook from Swinburne University of Technology in Melbourne says that the light reaching Earth from this galaxy named JWST7329 is 11.5 billion years old and comes from an ancient assembly of stars likely formed 13 billion years ago. 0.85

01:32:38.000 It doesn't make sense because it's been thought until now there wasn't enough dark matter in the early universe to prompt this formation.

01:32:46.000 Current understandings of what grows a galaxy suggest that dark matter halos, which are fields of invisible material in space, coalesce and collect stars and galaxies within their structure.

01:32:58.000 It's only because of the James Webb Space Telescope that the team has been able to clarify what the red spec was.

01:33:05.000 In seven years of long observations using ground-based Keck, the Hawaii Observatory, and the VLT in Chile, all they could see was a faint red smudge.

01:33:15.000 NASA's James Webb Telescope.

01:33:17.000 It's been such an incredible thing.

01:33:18.000 Been waiting for the last 30 years.

01:33:20.000 Been delivering all those dreams we've had.

01:33:22.000 Glazenbrook tells Cosmos.

01:33:23.000 This is something we've been working on over the years.

01:33:25.000 Deeper and deeper surveys, looking for the oldest and most massive galaxies that formed.

01:33:29.000 We did the calculations of how old it is, and it's way beyond the bounds of what's reasonable to form in the cold, dark matter-dominated universe.

01:33:37.000 It's really a huge puzzle.

01:33:39.000 So I think they have crude instruments, relatively crude instruments, for seeing that far back.

01:33:45.000 And they keep getting better.

01:33:47.000 And the James Webb is better than the Hubble, and the more they can see, the more it reveals puzzles. 0.94

01:33:54.000 They're just not exactly sure what the fuck is going on out there. 0.92

01:33:57.000 And it's big! 0.98

01:33:59.000 And when they find out, dude, doesn't that make you wonder? 0.99

01:34:03.000 Like, what the fuck? 0.99

01:34:04.000 What's the answer? 0.99

01:34:05.000 Well, they also don't even know if the Big Bang was actually the beginning of the universe.

01:34:10.000 There's a lot of people, including Sir Roger Penrose, think that the universe existed before the Big Bang.

01:34:18.000 And that there's also people that believe that there might be this constant cycle of Big Bang expansion and then ultimately compression and then Big Bang again, which is really wild.

01:34:30.000 But that makes sense because it's like...

01:34:33.000 How is there nothing?

01:34:35.000 Right.

01:34:36.000 How is there just nothing and then all of a sudden...

01:34:37.000 A big bang.

01:34:38.000 Yeah, it'd be more likely like everything expands, contracts...

01:34:43.000 But isn't it a weird thing to think, how is there something?

01:34:46.000 If there wasn't nothing, why is there something?

01:34:49.000 Why has there always been something?

01:34:50.000 That seems even less likely. 0.97

01:34:52.000 Like, what the fuck is that? 0.98

01:34:53.000 Right. 0.98

01:34:54.000 I mean, we gotta assume if there's something now, Probably always stuff was something.

01:35:01.000 But how could it always be something?

01:35:04.000 How did it start?

01:35:07.000 That's the freak out.

01:35:08.000 Yeah, that's the question.

01:35:09.000 Like, if you ever got to meet God, you'd be like, what predated you?

01:35:13.000 Right.

01:35:13.000 What created you?

01:35:15.000 Right.

01:35:15.000 You know?

01:35:16.000 Right.

01:35:16.000 And your mind blows up.

01:35:17.000 And he'd be like, chat GPT. Yeah.

01:35:21.000 Like, ah! 1.00

01:35:23.000 And then you'd be like, I am a fucking cyborg. 0.99

01:35:26.000 I think we're going to find out some very interesting stuff in the next five years. 0.99

01:35:32.000 Yeah. 0.91

01:35:32.000 I think in the next five years, things are going to get real fucking squirrely. 0.91

01:35:35.000 Yeah.

01:35:36.000 But, you know, you kind of just – there's no other choice than to look forward to it.

01:35:41.000 Well, I mean, no one's going to hit the brakes.

01:35:43.000 Yeah.

01:35:44.000 We've got to ride this out.

01:35:45.000 Yeah.

01:35:45.000 And enjoy it.

01:35:46.000 So you've just got to think, well, we live in interesting times.

01:35:51.000 Yeah.

01:35:51.000 We definitely live in interesting times.

01:35:53.000 I think the most interesting times.

01:35:55.000 Because, you know, there was an interview recently where someone was talking about this and he was saying that this is the first time in history that no one has any idea what it's going to look like in 20 years.

01:36:05.000 Or probably even five.

01:36:07.000 Probably even five, yeah.

01:36:08.000 Because the way everything's expanding exponentially kind of leads you to believe it's going to continue to do that.

01:36:16.000 And then what are those unpredictable changes going to be?

01:36:20.000 Right. 0.99

01:36:20.000 You know, my fucking life is completely different than it was five years ago, bro. 0.99

01:36:24.000 Unpredictable shit happened to me. 1.00

01:36:26.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:36:27.000 But I don't know.

01:36:28.000 Well, the whole world's different than it was four years ago, right?

01:36:32.000 Yeah.

01:36:32.000 COVID comes along, everything changes.

01:36:34.000 Yeah.

01:36:34.000 The whole world's different now.

01:36:36.000 So, like, yeah, what does that look like?

01:36:38.000 What does it look like five, 20 years from now?

01:36:40.000 It's going to be weird, man, I'll tell you that.

01:36:42.000 There's no way it's not going to be weird.

01:36:43.000 It's weird already, you know?

01:36:45.000 Yeah, it is, but it's almost like, do you live your life fucking worrying about it?

01:36:51.000 Or do you just say... 0.95

01:36:53.000 I'm alive. 0.99

01:36:54.000 Just fucking check it out. 0.99

01:36:55.000 This is going to be wild, dude. 0.99

01:36:57.000 We don't know.

01:36:57.000 Because one of those solar flares could take everything out and then we don't even have a show to watch.

01:37:02.000 True.

01:37:02.000 At least it's something to do.

01:37:04.000 Well, it's definitely something to do and you definitely can't stop it.

01:37:07.000 So you definitely should just live your life and enjoy it.

01:37:09.000 But it doesn't make it any less fascinating.

01:37:11.000 It is absolutely fascinating.

01:37:14.000 Yeah.

01:37:15.000 This is the timeline that we're in for whatever reason.

01:37:17.000 That's what gets real weird.

01:37:19.000 It's like, why are we in this timeline?

01:37:20.000 Everyone listening to this right now, everyone watching this right now, why are you in this timeline?

01:37:25.000 Why is this the time that you exist?

01:37:28.000 Have you existed before?

01:37:30.000 Is this your first time in this timeline?

01:37:33.000 You know, everybody wants to assume it is.

01:37:35.000 Like, someone said to me once that they wouldn't, like, there's this theory, I'm sure you're aware of this theory, that you live the same life over and over and over again until you get it right.

01:37:48.000 Enlightenment is possible.

01:37:49.000 You've got to go at it over and over and over and over and over again until you nail it. 0.99

01:37:57.000 And I was talking with a friend of mine like, oh fuck, I wouldn't want to do that. 0.99

01:38:00.000 I'm like, okay. 0.99

01:38:01.000 If you wouldn't want to do that, Do you like life now?

01:38:05.000 Because I love life now.

01:38:06.000 I'm having a great time.

01:38:07.000 So if someone said to me that I have to do this all over again, why would that be so bad?

01:38:12.000 Why am I scared of that?

01:38:14.000 But everybody's scared of that.

01:38:15.000 Everybody's scared of starting from scratch again, being a baby again.

01:38:18.000 But remember when you were a white belt? 0.94

01:38:20.000 Sure. 0.98

01:38:20.000 It was fucking awesome. 0.98

01:38:22.000 Not really. 0.97

01:38:22.000 I didn't enjoy it. 0.97

01:38:23.000 But I'm not talking about just getting smashed and choked.

01:38:27.000 I'm talking about looking forward to learning.

01:38:29.000 Sure.

01:38:30.000 And maybe I should have said blue belt.

01:38:32.000 But it's like...

01:38:33.000 I got smashed a lot as a blue belt, too.

01:38:35.000 I like looking forward to the...

01:38:38.000 It's a big journey.

01:38:39.000 You know what I mean?

01:38:40.000 Like when I first started doing kung fu when I was like 19 or 20, I didn't know it and we didn't have to get choked so it was just fun, you know?

01:38:48.000 And I was like, oh, I don't know anything about this but I have so much to learn.

01:38:52.000 It's gonna be so cool.

01:38:53.000 And then after years and years I'm kind of jaded. 0.62

01:38:56.000 I've done it so fucking long. 0.84

01:38:57.000 I don't think I really even appreciate it anymore. 0.74

01:38:59.000 I know what you're saying.

01:39:00.000 Yeah, there's a thing that you can get jaded by a thing.

01:39:03.000 And new things are all very exciting.

01:39:05.000 That's why it's really important for people.

01:39:07.000 It's just for the health of your mind to try new things.

01:39:10.000 Or to try things where you're not that good at.

01:39:12.000 Try to keep getting better.

01:39:13.000 Because it's like this thing that you have to do to practice and learn.

01:39:16.000 It enriches the way you think about everything.

01:39:19.000 Yeah.

01:39:20.000 It's so...

01:39:22.000 Valuable to be able to do that and to be able to realize you're doing that and you're capable of learning new things.

01:39:28.000 And that really is what makes you live is, dude.

01:39:32.000 And that is why...

01:39:35.000 People get stagnant because it's like when you were a kid, you were always trying to learn something new. 0.97

01:39:40.000 You weren't like, oh, fuck, I'm jaded. 0.97

01:39:43.000 I just, man, I don't know what I'm going to do. 0.99

01:39:45.000 You were trying to learn.

01:39:47.000 Constantly.

01:39:48.000 And so if you continue to do that, learn and play and just accept and have fun.

01:39:55.000 You don't have to get old.

01:39:56.000 You don't have to get stale.

01:39:58.000 You don't have to get bored. 1.00

01:39:59.000 You can fucking enjoy this life. 0.99

01:40:01.000 You can. 0.98

01:40:02.000 You certainly can if you find things that are exciting.

01:40:05.000 That's the saddest thing, I think, is someone who doesn't have a thing.

01:40:10.000 Someone who doesn't have a thing that excites them.

01:40:12.000 Someone that doesn't engage with something that stimulates them.

01:40:15.000 I think you need it as a human organism.

01:40:17.000 The human organism needs little puzzles and stuff to do.

01:40:20.000 Makes it exciting for it. 0.94

01:40:22.000 If you don't do that, you're going to feel shitty. 0.66

01:40:25.000 Yeah, you do. 0.93

01:40:26.000 You get bored.

01:40:27.000 I mean, God, the best, most happy times in your life are when you have all these exciting projects.

01:40:33.000 You don't know if it's even going to work. 0.98

01:40:36.000 But, like, holy shit, I'm going to try. 0.99

01:40:38.000 I'm going to get excited about this and fucking go after it. 0.99

01:40:42.000 Let me ask you this about your work, because I always wanted to ask you this question. 0.94

01:40:45.000 When you're painting Crazy Horse...

01:40:49.000 Is there any part of you that doesn't want to do that?

01:40:52.000 Because like Crazy Horse did not want to be photographed.

01:40:55.000 So you have to paint what you imagine Crazy Horse would be.

01:40:59.000 It's kind of crazy that that dude got so, you know, no pun intended, got so famous and managed to avoid having his picture taken.

01:41:06.000 I think he knew there were mug shots.

01:41:08.000 You think that's what it was? 0.99

01:41:09.000 I think when I look back at all those photographs, I think they were fucking... 0.98

01:41:15.000 He wasn't... 0.98

01:41:16.000 He was a smart dude.

01:41:17.000 He didn't want his picture out there so he couldn't be identified because they were trying to kill him. 0.91

01:41:22.000 They're definitely trying to kill him.

01:41:23.000 I think, like, you know, I definitely do a lot of spiritual...

01:41:30.000 Work.

01:41:30.000 I do spiritual work.

01:41:32.000 But no, like spiritual introspection.

01:41:35.000 And, you know, like I have friends from the Oglala tribe who are like related to him that I talk to and learn stories from the Lakota, the Oglala themselves.

01:41:48.000 So I try to have a deep insight for it.

01:41:51.000 Do a lot of research what he really would have looked like.

01:41:55.000 And also just think...

01:41:58.000 Is this the right thing to do?

01:42:00.000 Do I have permission to do this?

01:42:01.000 And if that kind of comes through and the Lakotas themselves, they don't get a hold of me and I have a problem and I talk to them about it, then it's okay. 1.00

01:42:09.000 But it's like, it's not from an actual photograph.

01:42:14.000 Of course.

01:42:15.000 Right, from your mind.

01:42:16.000 Well, not even that.

01:42:17.000 I try to, like, I think about...

01:42:20.000 Black Elk's description of them and just try to put together the facial features in my mind.

01:42:24.000 How did they deal with that sculpture, that giant sculpture of Crazy Horse?

01:42:30.000 The one that hasn't been finished yet?

01:42:32.000 I don't know, but I don't really...

01:42:34.000 I like the idea of what they're doing, but it doesn't look that much to me like how I imagine them looking.

01:42:41.000 It's weird.

01:42:42.000 You know, how do you do a giant sculpture of a guy and say, it's this guy?

01:42:47.000 Yeah.

01:42:47.000 You don't even know what that guy looked like.

01:42:49.000 I know.

01:42:49.000 How are you doing that?

01:42:49.000 But I think they're doing that to kind of just pay tribute to him.

01:42:53.000 Seems like a weird thing to do, though.

01:42:55.000 Yeah.

01:42:56.000 You know?

01:42:57.000 Well, because I don't think...

01:42:59.000 I don't know. 0.99

01:43:00.000 I don't want to talk shit on this dude. 0.98

01:43:01.000 It's like one family that's doing this, right? 0.98

01:43:02.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:43:03.000 And I don't want to talk shit on this dude's project. 0.97

01:43:05.000 What is that image of him? 0.98

01:43:06.000 Scroll up?

01:43:07.000 Or above that.

01:43:08.000 Right there.

01:43:09.000 Right there.

01:43:09.000 Click on that.

01:43:10.000 What is that?

01:43:13.000 That's a bronze statue or something.

01:43:15.000 Is that supposed to be Crazy Horse?

01:43:18.000 These are just people's random pictures.

01:43:19.000 Random stuff?

01:43:21.000 Yeah.

01:43:21.000 But didn't he cut pieces off of his body before he went to war, cut like 100 pieces off of his skin?

01:43:28.000 Sitting Bull.

01:43:29.000 Sitting Bull did that?

01:43:30.000 Didn't Crazy Horse do that as well?

01:43:32.000 No.

01:43:32.000 Crazy Horse didn't participate in a lot of the Sundance where you pierce yourself.

01:43:37.000 No, no, no.

01:43:37.000 He cut pieces of his skin off.

01:43:40.000 Like, marked his skin.

01:43:41.000 No, that was Sitting Bull.

01:43:43.000 See if there's a story about Crazy Horse, before we go to battle, cutting pieces of his skin off.

01:43:49.000 Because I thought they said that Crazy Horse did it as well.

01:43:52.000 That he had, like, cut little pieces of himself off of his arms.

01:43:57.000 They had little scars all over his arms.

01:43:59.000 I hadn't heard that, but I heard Sitting Bull before the battle of Little Bighorn.

01:44:05.000 Before the Battle of Little Bighorn, Sitting Bull cut like a hundred pieces off his shoulders and his back.

01:44:11.000 Maybe that's what I'm remembering.

01:44:13.000 And all that to get a vision of what the battle was going to be like.

01:44:17.000 And then he stared into the sun and he saw all these soldiers falling into the camp.

01:44:22.000 Wow.

01:44:23.000 And so that's where...

01:44:25.000 Because Sitting Bull was kind of like the general.

01:44:29.000 He was a little older at the time of the battle and he had a bad wound on his leg.

01:44:32.000 But he was a visionary, really respected...

01:44:35.000 Medicine man, leader, and Crazy Horse was the actual fighter.

01:44:40.000 So he'd go and kind of lead the troops and do the actual fighting.

01:44:44.000 Did you find anything about Crazy Horse cutting pieces of his skin off? 0.99

01:44:47.000 Maybe I'm fucking it up. 0.91

01:44:48.000 But the thing that gets me is that they had these methods. 0.91

01:44:55.000 I mean these are people that are living in a time where you had to be pragmatic.

01:44:59.000 You couldn't pretend that you could see things if you did a certain thing.

01:45:04.000 You were trying to achieve a vision.

01:45:07.000 So they had probably done it before, and they had methods to do it.

01:45:10.000 Yeah. 0.91

01:45:11.000 And a lot of their methods involved pain, you know, like the thing where they would pierce their nipples and suspend them. 0.96

01:45:17.000 Yeah, Sundance. 1.00

01:45:18.000 Crazy shit, man. 1.00

01:45:19.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:45:20.000 They did these things. 0.90

01:45:22.000 In a time where, you know, you're living a subsistence lifestyle, you don't have a lot of time for fucking around for nonsense, and yet they've found value in, like, self-torture. 0.53

01:45:35.000 Do you have any paintings in the Sundance? 0.92

01:45:39.000 No, I was working on a painting of a sun dancer that has the white sage.

01:45:44.000 They'd put white sage around their head like this, kind of like a halo, and then wear an eagle bone whistle here.

01:45:51.000 That's what it looks like.

01:45:52.000 And they'd paint themselves white with the spots there. 0.99

01:45:55.000 And you're suspended, hanging by your nipples. 1.00

01:45:58.000 And you have to not eat for four days, not drink water, and everybody around the village gets to tease you and throw little spear twigs at your legs and shit. 1.00

01:46:10.000 For four days. 0.99

01:46:11.000 It's an endurance ritual.

01:46:13.000 And eventually it rips out of your chest.

01:46:15.000 Yep, once it rips out.

01:46:17.000 And like, dude, friends of mine from South Dakota, they still have those scars like this.

01:46:24.000 Bro.

01:46:24.000 Yeah.

01:46:25.000 Did you ever see Male Called Horse? 1.00

01:46:28.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

01:46:28.000 I own that. 1.00

01:46:29.000 I got that on DVD. That was, what was that gentleman's name?

01:46:33.000 Richard Harris.

01:46:34.000 That's right.

01:46:35.000 He goes through that ritual.

01:46:37.000 Yeah.

01:46:37.000 There's always that story, though, about...

01:46:39.000 That's why people get angry. 1.00

01:46:40.000 There's a story about the white guy who goes and kicks ass with the Indians. 1.00

01:46:43.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:46:43.000 Everybody's like, shut the fuck up. 1.00

01:46:44.000 Yeah, because it doesn't give the Indians enough credit. 1.00

01:46:47.000 Right.

01:46:47.000 In a way.

01:46:48.000 Right.

01:46:48.000 That one, you can see, has a little bit of the white savior thing to it.

01:46:52.000 Sure.

01:46:53.000 But it's not like they're not giving you something.

01:46:57.000 That's what I think, is that the Native culture has taught me...

01:47:02.000 So much.

01:47:03.000 That's why I paint it.

01:47:04.000 That's why I got into that as a kid, because it was an alternative to mind prison of the system of the schools.

01:47:12.000 I could see in the people's eyes that they were free, that they were real, that they were powerful individuals.

01:47:19.000 And I wanted to follow that.

01:47:21.000 I didn't want to listen to, like, my second grade teacher, who is, you know, nothing I ever want to be like.

01:47:27.000 Right.

01:47:28.000 So those books...

01:47:30.000 And I still have those books, you know?

01:47:32.000 That's what inspired me to do this and that's what keeps me going and sharing it with the world because I want to say this is a valuable, amazing culture that we blindly destroyed and committed a genocide on. 0.97

01:47:47.000 There are millions of people over here and the whites came over and were just so fucking dumb that they just wasted a lot of good knowledge but there's still pieces of it alive and maybe we could do what we can To pay that back, learn from it. 0.96

01:48:02.000 My fear is that if it wasn't for the ability to use media in the 20th and 21st century, we might have lost the true story forever. 0.99

01:48:11.000 Yeah.

01:48:12.000 You know, imagine if we did, you know, because the world wasn't much different in terms of our technological capabilities from like 1500 to 1700. Right.

01:48:23.000 Right. 0.99

01:48:23.000 But from 1800 to the year 2000, it's a giant fucking difference. 0.99

01:48:29.000 And that's when people started going, hey, what fucking happened? 0.97

01:48:32.000 We should write books, like real books. 0.98

01:48:34.000 We should fucking really research this. 0.97

01:48:36.000 Get some perspective, yeah. 0.95

01:48:37.000 I remember the first time I read Empire of the Summer Moon, which is about this place right here, right where we're at.

01:48:42.000 I was like, Jesus.

01:48:44.000 How could we...

01:48:46.000 How did I not know this?

01:48:48.000 How is this not taught in school?

01:48:51.000 What happened?

01:48:53.000 Because it's a fascinating story.

01:48:55.000 I know.

01:48:55.000 And you do really, really have to wonder that.

01:48:58.000 Why is that left out when it's one of our best stories?

01:49:01.000 I was talking to some of these guys out here earlier about why is...

01:49:08.000 Quanta's story just not as popular as like Custer and Crazy Horse.

01:49:12.000 Right, Quanta Parker.

01:49:13.000 Yeah, and I think it's because it's more complex.

01:49:17.000 It's not as easy as like the one guy from the one culture, the one battle, Custer, Crazy Horse, fight, done. 0.87

01:49:25.000 It's more of like it's all over.

01:49:27.000 There's Jack Hayes.

01:49:28.000 There's, you know, Quanah Parker.

01:49:30.000 There's the formation of the Texas Rangers.

01:49:32.000 There's the technology of the Colt.

01:49:34.000 And there's another example of Cynthia Ann Parker.

01:49:36.000 Another example of someone who was kidnapped at a young age, became a Comanche, and then they rescued her. 0.67

01:49:41.000 And she's like, I don't want to be rescued.

01:49:42.000 Yeah.

01:49:43.000 I want to go back.

01:49:44.000 Trying to escape.

01:49:45.000 Yeah.

01:49:46.000 Yeah.

01:49:47.000 Yeah, it's, uh, what a time, man.

01:49:49.000 And it's so sad how she, uh, like how she died thinking that Quanah was dead and he wasn't.

01:49:56.000 Yeah.

01:49:57.000 And just how much he, like, wanted to honor her memory and how much, you know, he loved his mom and he, like, what a good dude he was.

01:50:04.000 Like, just such a badass warrior.

01:50:06.000 And then he was also a diplomat and took care of everyone and built that star house, you know?

01:50:11.000 Mm-hmm. 0.97

01:50:11.000 Also kind of crazy that he killed a shitload of white people and still managed to meet the president, hang out with everybody. 0.97

01:50:20.000 People forgave shit back then. 1.00

01:50:22.000 They're like, yeah, let's let that go. 0.99

01:50:23.000 That's the time we live in.

01:50:24.000 Everybody was murdering everybody back then.

01:50:26.000 That's what was really wild.

01:50:28.000 Just human life back then was worth so much less.

01:50:31.000 People were so much more savage. 0.99

01:50:34.000 Dude, the story of just Texas and the fucking Comanches It's so wild and it's so unappreciated. 0.97

01:50:42.000 And I really think that with our country and our culture, we really do have a cool history that's so unique. 0.98

01:50:52.000 You know what I mean?

01:50:53.000 Nothing like that really ever happened.

01:50:55.000 And to your point, we had a way to keep records of it.

01:50:59.000 But there's – dude, there's all these rad stories about native history.

01:51:02.000 Like there's this dude, William Weatherby.

01:51:05.000 If you can look up the story of William Weatherby, the Creek warrior, Red Eagle, he led this big rebellion of the Creek Indians and the government hired Andrew Jackson.

01:51:17.000 Who was later president, I think, to go fight him.

01:51:20.000 He's this big civil war general and these Creeks would build these big fortifications and try to fight off the army and they'd blow it apart with cannons and just slaughtered like hundreds of Creeks and fought this big protracted war with them like in Alabama. 0.68

01:51:38.000 Nobody even knows about the fucking Creek War or who William Weatherby is, but when you hear his story, dude, he's like William Wallace of America. 0.99

01:51:44.000 You wouldn't believe this motherfucker, okay? 0.99

01:51:46.000 His whole village is getting wiped out, and he's the leader, and they're like, where's William, I was gonna say Wallace, where's William Weatherby? 1.00

01:51:52.000 Weatherford?

01:51:53.000 Is it Weatherford?

01:51:55.000 Well, I couldn't find a Weatherby, but I got a Weatherford.

01:51:57.000 Weatherby's a rival.

01:51:59.000 Yeah, okay, Weatherford.

01:52:00.000 So, anyway, he's this creek warrior, and he's like the leader, and he's getting tracked down, and they're trying to find him, and they're like, basically, it's kind of like the Braveheart, how they're like...

01:52:10.000 Why does he have an American name?

01:52:13.000 I mean, back then they were interacting a lot with the English and it wasn't uncommon for a native to have a white name.

01:52:21.000 I think it was half white, half Indian too.

01:52:24.000 But he was such a badass dude.

01:52:26.000 So they're basically like saying, if you don't, if Red Eagle, that's his Indian name, doesn't come in, we're going to just really devastate these people.

01:52:35.000 We're going to, you know, all your people are going to be having a bad time.

01:52:38.000 So they were like basically going to hurt his tribe if he doesn't surrender.

01:52:41.000 Okay. 0.98

01:52:42.000 And so he's riding in to surrender and he sees a deer, fucking shoots it, picks it up, guts it, throws it over his saddle and keeps riding in to go surrender. 0.99

01:52:52.000 And he gets there to Andrew Jackson and he's like, if I had an army, I'd fight you to the death. 0.99

01:53:01.000 But you've killed all my warriors, and I only have women and children.

01:53:05.000 And I'm not going to let them suffer.

01:53:08.000 So you can chase me, so here I am. 1.00

01:53:11.000 Fucking kill me if you want to. 1.00

01:53:12.000 Do whatever. 1.00

01:53:13.000 And what did they do to them?

01:53:15.000 Well, Andrew Jackson actually said, this dude's so brave, let's have a drink.

01:53:21.000 They went in the tent, drank some whiskey.

01:53:23.000 And as they're in the tent, everybody's chanting.

01:53:27.000 All the soldiers are chanting.

01:53:28.000 See, there he is.

01:53:29.000 Wow. 1.00

01:53:29.000 Kill him! 1.00

01:53:30.000 Kill him! 1.00

01:53:32.000 Kill him! 1.00

01:53:32.000 That's the soldiers. 1.00

01:53:33.000 Big chants all around from the army. 1.00

01:53:36.000 Kill him! 1.00

01:53:37.000 Kill him! 1.00

01:53:38.000 Jackson walks out. 1.00

01:53:40.000 Everyone's quiet.

01:53:41.000 Just let me tell you. 1.00

01:53:43.000 Red Eagle is the bravest motherfucker of all of y'all. 0.99

01:53:46.000 And if anybody touches their hair on his head, you're going to answer to me. 1.00

01:53:49.000 Don't fuck with Red Eagle. 1.00

01:53:51.000 And let's him go. 1.00

01:53:53.000 Imagine being a fly on the wall during that meeting.

01:53:55.000 Yeah.

01:53:55.000 See that guy come in and sit down.

01:53:57.000 Yeah.

01:53:58.000 But just the bravest... 0.97

01:53:59.000 If you read this story, and he gives this incredible speech, like I didn't really do it justice, but he's just very eloquent, you know, says this shit, and he's like, do what you want with me. 1.00

01:54:11.000 Don't fuck with my people. 0.99

01:54:12.000 The history of Native Americans is so many people don't know what happened. 1.00

01:54:18.000 So many people don't know that Native Americans went to Paris and met with whoever the hell was in charge back then. 1.00

01:54:25.000 Crazy shit, dude. 1.00

01:54:26.000 The actual truth is stranger than fiction. 1.00

01:54:30.000 The people writing fucking movies are going to go... 0.98

01:54:34.000 I don't want to try that. 1.00

01:54:35.000 A fucking hard cowboy Indian. 1.00

01:54:37.000 Right. 1.00

01:54:38.000 Put it in the can, whatever they say.

01:54:40.000 I wonder if someone's going to do a realistic movie about the Comanche and the Texas Rangers.

01:54:46.000 Isn't the Yellowstone dude doing the Empire of a Summer Moon?

01:54:50.000 That's right.

01:54:51.000 Is he doing that?

01:54:51.000 Is that official?

01:54:53.000 Ooh, that's going to be wild.

01:54:55.000 He'll do it right. 0.99

01:54:56.000 Taylor Sheridan knows what the fuck he's doing. 0.98

01:54:58.000 He'll do it right. 0.99

01:54:59.000 If anybody should be entrusted with that, did you see 1883?

01:55:02.000 Oh yeah.

01:55:03.000 Amazing, right?

01:55:04.000 Amazing.

01:55:05.000 So good.

01:55:06.000 And how the Lakotas, how they put the feces on the arrows to poison them. 0.99

01:55:11.000 Yellowstone, Taylor Sheridan, Land's Empire of the Summer Moon will write and direct epic Comanche leader Quanah and the rise and fall of Old West's fiercest tribe January 18, 2024. Fuck yeah. 0.99

01:55:22.000 He's going to nail it. 1.00

01:55:24.000 What's that going to be like?

01:55:25.000 It's going to be incredible.

01:55:26.000 I hope that the Westerns come back as a genre because I really think we should take pride in our history more.

01:55:33.000 You know what I mean?

01:55:34.000 I think it would bond us more as just like, we're Americans.

01:55:37.000 Our...

01:55:39.000 Like, ancestors. 1.00

01:55:41.000 They fucking went across the sea. 1.00

01:55:43.000 They went across the continent. 1.00

01:55:44.000 They fucked with the Comanches. 1.00

01:55:46.000 Like, they were brave. 1.00

01:55:47.000 They were crazy.

01:55:48.000 That's who our ancestors are. 0.95

01:55:50.000 They should be honored, dude.

01:55:51.000 We should be thinking about them going, we're Americans.

01:55:54.000 We're badass. 0.99

01:55:55.000 We won the fucking World War II. Someone said a couple of Lone Stars. 0.99

01:56:00.000 Look at you. 1.00

01:56:02.000 God damn it! 1.00

01:56:03.000 We're fucking Americans! 1.00

01:56:04.000 You know what I mean. 1.00

01:56:05.000 We fucking did it, bro. 0.99

01:56:06.000 This is the history, dude. 0.99

01:56:07.000 It's a fascinating history.

01:56:09.000 It's certainly a fascinating history.

01:56:10.000 And it's riddled with horror stories.

01:56:13.000 Horror stories and amazing accomplishments and brave people and all of it mixing together.

01:56:18.000 Crazy stuff.

01:56:20.000 Listen, brother, no one captures it better.

01:56:22.000 No one captures the Native American imagery and just the feeling of it better than you.

01:56:27.000 Your stuff's awesome, man.

01:56:29.000 It's been dope getting to become friends with you.

01:56:31.000 Yeah, same here, dude.

01:56:32.000 I can't thank you enough.

01:56:34.000 Being here is such an honor.

01:56:36.000 You know, helping me get my art out there to the world.

01:56:40.000 Just can't thank you enough, bro.

01:56:41.000 Oh, I'm more than happy. 1.00

01:56:43.000 More than happy that people get to see your shit. 1.00

01:56:45.000 It's awesome. 0.99

01:56:46.000 Well, I'm going to keep trying to put good stuff out there.

01:56:49.000 You will, I'm sure.

01:56:51.000 I have 100% faith in you.

01:56:53.000 Everything you do is dope.

01:56:54.000 I appreciate it a lot.

01:56:55.000 What's up, Jamie?

01:56:56.000 Oh, I thought you said something.

01:56:58.000 Listen, man, thanks for coming.

01:57:00.000 Appreciate you.

01:57:00.000 Tell everybody how they can see your stuff.

01:57:02.000 Find it online.

01:57:03.000 You can just look me up online, Greg Overton Fine Art.

01:57:07.000 Instagram, Greg Overton Fine Art.

01:57:09.000 I'll be in Santa Fe during Indian Market. 0.99

01:57:14.000 Mid-August, and I'll be at the fucking Jackson Hole Art Auction. 0.99

01:57:19.000 There it is. 0.99

01:57:20.000 One-man show, Jackson Hole Art Auction, in September. 0.99

01:57:24.000 And that's the fucking top of the top, so... 0.99

01:57:26.000 There it is. 0.99

01:57:27.000 Alright, my man.

01:57:29.000 Appreciate you very much, man.

01:57:30.000 Thanks, Joe.

01:57:30.000 Thank you for coming.

01:57:31.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - May 14, 2024

Joe Rogan Experience #2150 - Greg Overton

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