In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience podcast, Joe talks to Native American artist Greg Overton. Greg talks about how he got started in his art career and how he became a Native American Artist. He also talks about his relationship with Native American culture and his love for the culture and history of the Native American tribes. We also talk about the history of Native American art, and how they came to be integrated into Western society. And of course, we talk about his painting of the Black Dragon Samurai, which is a painting of a dude with a bullet hole in his head that looks like a buffalo skull. It's one of those paintings that has a lot of history behind it, and I think you're going to love it. Enjoy this episode, Joe! Joe Rogans Experience is a podcast about Native American Culture and History. Joe is a standup comedian, writer, and podcaster from Denver, CO. He's been around for a long time and is a big part of Denver's Native American community. Check him out on social media, and be sure to check out his insta . You can find him on Insta: and . . . And if you like what he's up to, tweet me if you're a fan of the show and/or have a question or topic you'd like to have him on the show. or a chance to call him into the show! or send him a message! and he'll answer it to ;) or :) Timestamps: 5: 5:00 - What's up? 6: 7:30 - Who's your favorite Native American Icon? 8:15 - What do you think of the Fighting Indians of the West podcast? 9: What are the Fighting Indian Podcast? 11: What's your favourite Native American Legend? 13:00 16:00 | Who's the Most Native American Indian? 17:30 | What's Your Favorite Native American Character? 18:30 19:00 -- How did you grow up in your culture? 21: What is your favorite Indian Nation? 22:40 - How do you see Native American People? 23:30 -- What are you're Native American Ceremony? 26:00-- What's the most Native American Cultures? 27:40 -- Who's Your Native American Mentality?
00:02:06.000And I'll just tell you, I was shown with this other gallery for a long time that that same painting was in the back room and they weren't really giving me my props, which is what people will do if they just want to keep you at a certain level.
00:02:22.000So do they do that to keep your prices down?
00:02:25.000They do that so you don't leave the gallery so you don't get too big for the gallery.
00:02:28.000Oh, so you don't go off on your own like you did.
00:03:45.000It is so fascinating that so many Native Americans who got captured and put into the reservation systems and then eventually integrated with Western culture fucking hated it.
00:04:01.000But when Western people, either when they were young, if they got kidnapped, or if they integrated with the tribes, like a lot of trappers and a lot of people integrated with the tribes, when they tried to bring them back to Western society, they all wanted to leave.
00:04:17.000They're like, get me the fuck out of here.
00:04:21.000It's like, we have this idea that cities, and especially back then, I mean, you're talking about cities in the 1800s, That somehow or another it was better.
00:04:31.000You know, we always have the idea that progress in terms of like what's going on right now is better than what was going on before.
00:04:40.000We always have that in our head that we're doing it.
00:04:43.000It doesn't seem to ring true to the human spirit.
00:04:47.000There's something about human beings that they absolutely prefer that life.
00:04:53.000Yeah, I mean, dude, you are more of a human being if you're living that life.
00:04:58.000If you're living a life in a city where you have to go do something you don't want to do, and you have to go hang out with people, it's like your tribe is your tribe.
00:05:11.000Just simpler, better, more real way of life.
00:05:15.000I think that thing that you just said, too, about your tribe, because too many people today, their tribe is not someone they chose.
00:05:23.000Their tribe is just people that they're stuck with because they're working with them.
00:05:28.000You know, if you're working, like, if you're a married person, you're a married couple, and you both work, you're both with other people at least eight hours a day.
00:06:12.000They're always fucking imposing their bullshit on you.
00:06:14.000And if you're a person that works in an office, especially if you have a bunch of bosses, the boss-employee relationship is so often abused.
00:06:27.000Place to be where you have this person that gets to tell you what to do and make you sometimes work on weekends and make you stay overtime and upset at you if you do X, Y, or Z, which forces you to have the same ideological beliefs as them,
00:06:48.000forces you to have the same political beliefs as them.
00:07:34.000Education aspect of your childhood and the indoctrination aspect, because that's what it is.
00:07:39.000It's indoctrinating you into believing that the only way that you can get by in this life is to become a part of this exact same system.
00:07:47.000So this is why school is structured like that.
00:07:50.000I mean, it's structured like that to teach you, but it's also structured like that where you're sitting down in front of people.
00:07:55.000All day long, learning things that you don't want to learn, being forced to be immobile when you're a child and you're literally just a hummingbird of energy.
00:09:20.000Do these fucking calculations that make no sense to you.
00:09:23.000Like, you gotta memorize these fucking people, a distorted version of the actual history, you know, which is almost always what they're teaching.
00:09:31.000Some weird distortion written by the winners.
00:09:35.000And if you don't do that, you're a loser.
00:11:48.000But then you also have to deal with, like, from a psychologist's perspective.
00:11:52.000If you talk to psychologists about growing up in this time, it's one of the most challenging times.
00:11:57.000Because people are inundated by other people's lives.
00:12:00.000You're inundated by these people driving cars you couldn't imagine driving, living in these crazy homes, flashing money, wearing all these designer clothes.
00:12:09.000Everybody's got a filter on so their skin looks perfect.
00:12:12.000They look way more beautiful than they do in real life.
00:12:15.000And you're like, God damn, what is life?
00:12:35.000As opposed to the life that you're living, a life of an artist, like a life that, you know, you labor at these pieces that you make, and then people stand in front of them and go, like, dude, that one that you made for me, the one with the guy's got all the face paint,
00:13:17.000If you're gonna actually say I'm an artist, it has to stop motherfuckers in their tracks and kind of wake them up a little bit and then they can't even stop thinking about it the rest of the day because it's like...
00:13:29.000Has anybody ever done that to a Jackson Pollock?
00:13:32.000I mean, not unless they're on a lot of drugs.
00:14:12.000It's huge, and it's sitting in my library.
00:14:16.000You can't really see all the detail on it that good, because it's like a JPEG, and it's kind of, when you blow it up, you can't see as much detail.
00:16:58.000Yeah, you could do that too, but it's also, it's just not reliable, right?
00:17:02.000So then you have this shocking thing where you're not exactly sure what happened, and then your body starts filling in, or your mind starts filling in the blanks with like a lot of nonsense, and then you start telling it to people over and over again, and then after a while, your memory is of the memory of you telling it.
00:17:17.000And barely even of the UFO experience itself.
00:17:20.000It's like you've told it this way for a certain amount of times, so you kind of keep repeating it.
00:18:31.000Too many people go into the backcountry.
00:18:33.000You know, all my friends that really go deep into the backcountry, like my friends like Aaron Snyder, he does these crazy backcountry hunts.
00:18:41.000He'll go like 26 miles in with everything on his back.
00:18:45.000And they hunt for weeks, weeks at a time.
00:18:48.000None of those guys have stories like that.
00:23:37.000If they weren't there, you wouldn't be able to perceive them and those substances just help you to perceive things because you're too busy over here all the time in that fucking...
00:23:50.000Brainwave circuit that you're kind of trapped in right here, this reality tunnel.
00:23:54.000This stuff over here, there's blinders.
00:26:16.000If you're a person that has some crazy corporate job and you get locked into that thing, it's going to be very difficult for you to break out and become an artist.
00:28:37.000There's a bar next door that we always would go to after work, and I was over there just drunk as fuck, and there was some dude in there that was trying to fight me or something.
00:30:30.000And so then I'm like, all right, judo for you.
00:30:32.000I fucking hip-tossed him onto the concrete.
00:30:35.000And I started to, you know that when you have like a scarf hold and you do the chicken wing with your leg though.
00:30:41.000So I was pushing out the hip, getting ready to break his shoulder and his fucking girlfriend kicked me in the face because she was watching the fight.
00:30:50.000That's the problem with the ground game in the street, bro.
00:34:12.000But the fact that they wrote that in an article, a 300% rise in measles, and everybody goes into a hot panic, and then you find out 75 people.
00:34:20.000See, that's why, like, back in the day...
00:34:23.000Maybe in the fucking 50s or something.
00:34:25.000Wouldn't they have jumped on that shit if it was in the newspaper and we found out about it?
00:35:38.000And so when they came out with the decorticator, which is a machine that was much better at processing hemp fiber, and they had it in Popular Mechanics magazine, so they started this campaign against hemp by creating this boogeyman of a drug called marijuana that made people crazy.
00:37:52.000Do you have a deal, like, with a gallery where, like, if you have your stuff up in the gallery, do they have to sell your stuff only through that gallery?
00:38:24.000In the gallery, and they come to me and they say, we saw it in the gallery, we've only seen it there, then I'll try to get the sale to go through the gallery to actually still cut them in.
00:38:42.000Gallery's always a surprise when you do it, but when you bought the painting, you didn't buy it from me, you had to go through the gallery, right?
00:38:55.000But is there a situation with some artists where they have their pieces up in a gallery and they're not even allowed to be commissioned to make a piece outside of the gallery?
00:39:05.000I think if they have an exclusive contract and they've fronted you money, and if you come to them and say, hey, I haven't sold anything, can you front me some more money?
00:39:14.000And they're going to take care of you.
00:39:16.000Okay, so it's the fronting the money is the issue.
00:39:22.000So for the most part, like say if I went into a gallery and I saw some piece and it was really dope and they connected me to the artist and I get her email and I contact her and I said, hey, I really love this.
00:39:33.000I'm thinking of something along this theme.
00:39:36.000Can I contract you to do something like that?
00:39:38.000Can I commission you to do something like that?
00:40:38.000It is, but, like, I mean, when you think about it, dude, it's like...
00:40:41.000What we were talking about earlier, how the system is so much bullshit and it's so dry and fucking empty and there's just nothing to it, but they have to slot you in and make you fucking toe the line and your life's so fucking boring and shit.
00:40:55.000But if you get into art, whatever art it is, whether it's your music, at least you have a solace of some kind that you can come home to.
00:41:04.000So what I aspired to do was to provide powerful stuff that people that, like, they're out there doing crazy shit all day, like you, doing stuff that's affecting the world.
00:41:16.000Like, they got a bunch of stuff on their mind all the time.
00:41:20.000But just for one minute, they look at that painting and they're like...
00:41:23.000Now I remember why I'm doing all this.
00:41:57.000Even if you think you don't matter in the great scheme of things, like when people get real morose and they start thinking about life as being futile and there's no reason, why go on?
00:42:08.000Generally, that's people that are disconnected from other people.
00:42:12.000They don't have anybody like real close that they can hang out with that they love.
00:42:42.000And those people that think that they don't matter, that they are alone, you know, don't underestimate the potential you have to actually affect people's lives.
00:44:42.000It's all about business when I travel.
00:44:43.000I'm just doing shows and going home and making more paintings.
00:44:47.000But just walking around a little bit down here, I was just like, God, this really...
00:44:51.000I can look around and just see how fucking cool this place is and how all these people built all this stuff and they're building it and everybody's doing something here and I'm part of it.
00:45:02.000And I get to just sit here and chill and like take it all in and go, wow, fuck, I'm in this new city.
00:47:52.000Like, shorter than me, so the stirrups aren't long enough for me.
00:47:55.000So I jump up on there, and I'm all kind of off balance, and the horse gets weirded out and just fucking takes off at a full run across the desert.
00:48:04.000Ran for like a mile, dude, and I'm shitting.
00:48:07.000Like, it's bucking me, and it's like I thought about jumping off and everything.
00:50:52.000I know if I'm having a bad day or if I'm just stressed out or something, and I do this or something, they'll come right up to you and be like, what's wrong, bro?
00:51:01.000I was in the gym today stretching out, and I was doing this crazy back stretch, and it's kind of painful.
00:55:31.000You know, and hearing that, like the that movie was a big influence on me.
00:55:36.000Because when I saw that and got a Howard Turpin book, that's what really got me back into Western art.
00:55:42.000Because as a teenager, I was doing all the punk art.
00:55:45.000Like I did album covers for a lot of the bands from Salt Lake and was trying to draw comic books and shit like that.
00:55:52.000But as soon as I saw that movie and got the Howard Turpin book, that's what really brought me back to the Native American stuff.
00:55:59.000And I was like, this is what I'm going to do.
00:56:02.000I think what's so interesting about the Native Americans, one of the things that's interesting, I should say, about the Native American stuff is that we didn't really understand what was even happening.
00:56:10.000Until the 20th century and now the 21st century.
00:56:13.000We didn't really have an understanding of how their cultures worked and how they interacted with each other.
00:56:18.000The way it was depicted in mainstream media was always cowboy and Indian movies.
00:56:23.000It was like this very crude, kind of simplistic version of what they did.
00:56:28.000We didn't really understand much about Native American culture until people started writing these, like Empire of the Summer Moon, some of these amazing books.
00:56:38.000Well, you get a real understanding of, like, Black Elk Speaks, like those kind of things.
00:56:43.000You actually hear from the people that lived that life.
00:58:26.000And sometimes it's the same groups of people that you used to be allies, and now you're at war, or you used to be at war, and now you're allies.
01:01:27.000It's so hard to know who's telling the truth and who's lying.
01:01:30.000It's so hard to know what involvement the government has in terms of, like, how many of these things are drones.
01:01:37.000You know, you're hearing now that a lot of these people that believe that these things are flying around, they think that what we're dealing with is some sort of a government drone.
01:01:48.000And that a lot of this off-world craft talk is really just misinformation so that they don't have to take accountability for having some crazy thing that China doesn't have or maybe China has that we don't have and they want to lie about it, you know, and try to develop whatever the fuck they have.
01:04:51.000And Thanos is like a type two civilization, one that can directly harness, harvest rather, the energy of its star using a Dyson sphere or something similar.
01:05:01.000So it like is solar powered basically?
01:05:04.000Well, I don't know what the fuck it is.
01:05:07.000I mean, I think it's totally theoretical.
01:05:08.000There's no real versions of them that are out there.
01:05:11.000But the idea is that if technological proficiency and innovation continues at the level that it is now for millions of years, what does it get to?
01:06:11.000Maybe the universe is God and maybe the way God is created is through intelligent life.
01:06:19.000That intelligent life creates a far superior version of itself in artificial intelligence and that creates a far better version of itself infinitely.
01:06:31.000They just keep making better versions of itself as it has more of an understanding and more capacity and it grows and it makes better versions of itself.
01:06:38.000It's eventually going to get to God-like powers, the power to create universes, the power to create solar systems, the power to stop time, reverse time, the power to traverse immense distances instantaneously.
01:06:52.000It'll just have capabilities that we could only imagine.
01:06:58.000We could just imagine if, and it can do that.
01:07:02.000If we look at how we're living right now in comparison To how people were living when they were making those cave paintings.
01:07:27.000Like, when Bob Lazar was first examining, if he's telling the truth, when Bob Lazar was first examining the spaceships, the thing that blew him away was there was no seams.
01:07:42.000You could, I mean, I don't think you could make it that scale yet, but if you had enough of a capability, you had machines that could do it.
01:07:48.000Well, yeah, I mean, if we thought of it...
01:07:49.000And we're doing it, and they're fucking 60 million light years ahead of us?
01:08:33.000That's what I'd be doing if I had time machines.
01:08:35.000I'd be like, alright, I'm going to get all these fucking helpers to build these awesome monuments and then I'm going to go in for it in time and check on it.
01:09:37.000The current idea of a time machine is that you can't travel where there are no roads.
01:09:43.000So once a time machine is invented, then everything from that time that time machine is invented forward becomes a completely different way of using time.
01:10:11.000Because if you're gonna invent a time machine and you live a million years in the future, assuming that humans even exist if a time machine gets invented, I mean, we might become obsolete almost instantaneously.
01:10:20.000But if you were a live human being a million years after the time machine is invented, you would want to go back to the moment the thing was made.
01:10:29.000So the moment they turn that motherfucker on, everything changes forever.
01:11:41.000I haven't heard his stuff in a long time.
01:11:43.000Try to remember how he described it, but most people that have looked at Time Wave Zero think it's kind of nonsense, including guys like Paul Stamets.
01:11:51.000They're like, eh, he was probably tripping real hard when he came up with that.
01:14:24.000All the karate forms and just doing your sparring and not really doing live training is a threshold that you don't want to cross.
01:14:33.000So you're stuck in this, like, let's go through all these boring, stupid rituals to try to Prop up our bullshit society when it's like, no, I think we've taken intellect as far as it's going to go.
01:14:47.000I think if we're going to get to the next level, we have to go deeper this way.
01:14:54.000Well, I think it should be both, right?
01:14:57.000And I think the problem is that with money...
01:15:00.000And with capitalism and our society and what our reward system is based on, it rewards people going towards the things that are going to get you results that you could show other people, you know?
01:15:12.000Like houses and cars and stuff like that.
01:15:46.000Yeah, maybe you think about yourself too much.
01:15:48.000There's so many other things to think about, you know, and it's just, we have a very complex society that has a gravity to it, and it sucks you in, and it makes you a part of it, and you don't have a whole lot of say.
01:16:00.000You get locked in, and you get locked in when you're real young, get indoctrinated in the education system, and then you get outside of it, and you have to make a living and take care of yourself and pay your bills.
01:16:45.000We knew they were coming because there's two different types of radiation that comes from those storms when they have these big coronal mass ejections.
01:17:02.000And then the second one takes days to get us, and that's the one that can take out your cell phone towers and fuck up communications and shut down the grid.
01:17:12.000If it gets big enough, we're really doomed.
01:19:48.000Wasn't there something that happened that took out like Morse code towers in the 1800s?
01:19:53.000I think there was one big historical mass ejection that was documented within the last couple hundred years that they say if it happened today we would be really fucked.
01:20:06.000The Carrington event is what it's called.
01:20:09.000The most intense geomagnetic storm in recorded history.
01:20:13.000September 1st and 2nd of 1859. And so the Carrington event, most intense geomagnetic storm in recorded history, peaking from 1 to 2 September 1859 during solar cycle 10, created strong auroral displays that were reported globally and caused sparking and even fires in multiple telegraph stations.
01:20:35.000Yeah, so what the fuck would that do today?
01:20:38.000So it just blows up everything that has electricity in it?
01:20:48.000Probably cook your fucking computer in your car.
01:20:50.000September 1st, as Carrington was sketching on sunspots, he was blinded by a sudden flash of light.
01:20:55.000Carrington described it as a white light flare, according to a NASA space flight.
01:21:01.000The whole event lasted about five minutes.
01:21:03.000The flare was a major coronal mass ejection, a burst of magnetized plasma from the Sun's upper atmosphere, the corona.
01:21:11.000In 17.6 hours, the coronal mass ejection traversed over 90 million miles between the Sun, okay, that's the distance between the Sun and the Earth, 150 million kilometers, and unleashed its force on our planet.
01:21:24.000According to NASA spaceflight, it usually takes CMEs multiple days to reach Earth.
01:21:30.000The day after Carrington observed the impressive flare, Earth experienced an unprecedented geomagnetic storm with telegraph systems going haywire and auroral displays normally confined to polar latitudes visible in the tropics, according to NASA science.
01:21:45.000Carrington put two and two together and realized that the solar flare he'd seen was almost certainly the cause of this massive geomagnetic disturbance.
01:21:54.000This was a connection that had never previously been made according to NASA spaceflight.
01:21:58.000The solar storm of 1859 is now known as the Carrington event in his honor.
01:23:39.000You know, when they first started observing gamma-ray bursts in the universe, they thought that there was wars going on in space.
01:23:48.000Well, yeah, when they first started detecting these gamma-ray bursts, they found that they were happening, like, every couple seconds, all over space.
01:23:56.000And they were reading too much science fiction.
01:23:58.000No, no, they realized—well, they didn't know what it was.
01:24:19.000Eventually, they reach the end of their life cycle, and if they hypernova, if they're big enough, and they have enough mass, and they hypernova, that's a wrap for the whole solar system.
01:24:42.000Hypernova is actually even bigger than a supernova.
01:24:45.000So this is the Hubble telescope captured a supernova.
01:24:50.000But there was a – I think it was the Science Channel had this documentary on hypernovas where these people were talking about how when they first started measuring them, they were like, oh, shit.
01:25:02.000Because this was like post-World War II. We understand atomic bombs.
01:25:47.000Well, we're something to us, but in the greater scheme of it all, I mean, the universe doesn't seem to care if it cooks entire solar systems every couple seconds.
01:25:56.000Well, because, I mean, the universe has to know more than we do, so we're over here thinking we're all badass.
01:26:02.000How do we know it's not better if you get zapped and then you fucking appear in a different dimension?
01:26:11.000I was gonna show you this one I was just finding on this video about the largest supernova ever SN 1572 which I guess that's the year so it was said it was visible for 23 days oh my god 362 nights wow so then like I'm watching the video this is non-scientific It could look like a star or a planet that wasn't actually there if they were observing it for so long.
01:27:28.000Well, this was such a big one that everybody was preparing, and, you know, Roka sent us some sunglasses, so I went out in my backyard and watched it.
01:28:30.000I think it's certainly a reminder of just the vastness and bizarreness of space itself when you realize, like, oh, there's a giant nuclear explosion in the sky that keeps the lights on.
01:29:40.000Like, one of them would have to line up, and it'd have to be the same size as the Sun, in terms of, like, how it fits in the sky, the distance, so that it's the perfect size to block it out.
01:30:15.000I mean, like, I had an astronomy class in high school, and that class would just trip me out.
01:30:21.000Hearing about how infinite and like the white dwarves and the pulsars and all the shit that's out there that they can see so far out there is wild.
01:30:31.000And then I got really sad when Eddie said space is fake.
01:30:39.000I was like, Eddie, because you beat Hoyler, I'm going to listen to you.
01:30:43.000There's some real interesting stuff that's going on now where they're finding galaxies that are so far away and are so far formed, they're so well formed, that they don't think that they should exist, given the timeline of the universe.
01:30:59.000They're very confused as to how these things exist where they exist, that they shouldn't have been formed in this way.
01:31:07.000Well, I think what it is is it's probably – the universe is probably older than we think it is.
01:31:11.000I think they're just – with the Webb telescope, they're just starting to be able to detect these structures in deep space that they're so far away and they're so old that they shouldn't be able to exist if the Big Bang happened 13.7 billion years ago.
01:31:28.000Maybe they found a way to stabilize themselves.
01:31:31.000Like if you're – because you've got to think.
01:31:32.000Like if you're in the right place at the right time, your technology – Your technology advances high enough before you destroy yourself.
01:31:40.000Maybe you don't have a planet where everybody likes to kill each other and you have world wars every fucking hundred years.
01:31:46.000And you don't nuke whatever and you build your technology in a good way.
01:31:51.000Maybe you could stabilize it so a fucking big bang happens and you got some time wave zero shit that...
01:32:17.000An international research team led by Carl Gleisenbrook from Swinburne University of Technology in Melbourne says that the light reaching Earth from this galaxy named JWST7329 is 11.5 billion years old and comes from an ancient assembly of stars likely formed 13 billion years ago.
01:32:38.000It doesn't make sense because it's been thought until now there wasn't enough dark matter in the early universe to prompt this formation.
01:32:46.000Current understandings of what grows a galaxy suggest that dark matter halos, which are fields of invisible material in space, coalesce and collect stars and galaxies within their structure.
01:32:58.000It's only because of the James Webb Space Telescope that the team has been able to clarify what the red spec was.
01:33:05.000In seven years of long observations using ground-based Keck, the Hawaii Observatory, and the VLT in Chile, all they could see was a faint red smudge.
01:33:23.000This is something we've been working on over the years.
01:33:25.000Deeper and deeper surveys, looking for the oldest and most massive galaxies that formed.
01:33:29.000We did the calculations of how old it is, and it's way beyond the bounds of what's reasonable to form in the cold, dark matter-dominated universe.
01:34:05.000Well, they also don't even know if the Big Bang was actually the beginning of the universe.
01:34:10.000There's a lot of people, including Sir Roger Penrose, think that the universe existed before the Big Bang.
01:34:18.000And that there's also people that believe that there might be this constant cycle of Big Bang expansion and then ultimately compression and then Big Bang again, which is really wild.
01:34:30.000But that makes sense because it's like...
01:35:55.000Because, you know, there was an interview recently where someone was talking about this and he was saying that this is the first time in history that no one has any idea what it's going to look like in 20 years.
01:37:30.000Is this your first time in this timeline?
01:37:33.000You know, everybody wants to assume it is.
01:37:35.000Like, someone said to me once that they wouldn't, like, there's this theory, I'm sure you're aware of this theory, that you live the same life over and over and over again until you get it right.
01:38:40.000Like when I first started doing kung fu when I was like 19 or 20, I didn't know it and we didn't have to get choked so it was just fun, you know?
01:38:48.000And I was like, oh, I don't know anything about this but I have so much to learn.
01:41:35.000And, you know, like I have friends from the Oglala tribe who are like related to him that I talk to and learn stories from the Lakota, the Oglala themselves.
01:41:48.000So I try to have a deep insight for it.
01:41:51.000Do a lot of research what he really would have looked like.
01:42:01.000And if that kind of comes through and the Lakotas themselves, they don't get a hold of me and I have a problem and I talk to them about it, then it's okay.
01:42:09.000But it's like, it's not from an actual photograph.
01:45:22.000In a time where, you know, you're living a subsistence lifestyle, you don't have a lot of time for fucking around for nonsense, and yet they've found value in, like, self-torture.
01:45:35.000Do you have any paintings in the Sundance?
01:45:39.000No, I was working on a painting of a sun dancer that has the white sage.
01:45:44.000They'd put white sage around their head like this, kind of like a halo, and then wear an eagle bone whistle here.
01:45:52.000And they'd paint themselves white with the spots there.
01:45:55.000And you're suspended, hanging by your nipples.
01:45:58.000And you have to not eat for four days, not drink water, and everybody around the village gets to tease you and throw little spear twigs at your legs and shit.
01:47:30.000And I still have those books, you know?
01:47:32.000That's what inspired me to do this and that's what keeps me going and sharing it with the world because I want to say this is a valuable, amazing culture that we blindly destroyed and committed a genocide on.
01:47:47.000There are millions of people over here and the whites came over and were just so fucking dumb that they just wasted a lot of good knowledge but there's still pieces of it alive and maybe we could do what we can To pay that back, learn from it.
01:48:02.000My fear is that if it wasn't for the ability to use media in the 20th and 21st century, we might have lost the true story forever.
01:48:12.000You know, imagine if we did, you know, because the world wasn't much different in terms of our technological capabilities from like 1500 to 1700. Right.
01:50:53.000Nothing like that really ever happened.
01:50:55.000And to your point, we had a way to keep records of it.
01:50:59.000But there's – dude, there's all these rad stories about native history.
01:51:02.000Like there's this dude, William Weatherby.
01:51:05.000If you can look up the story of William Weatherby, the Creek warrior, Red Eagle, he led this big rebellion of the Creek Indians and the government hired Andrew Jackson.
01:51:17.000Who was later president, I think, to go fight him.
01:51:20.000He's this big civil war general and these Creeks would build these big fortifications and try to fight off the army and they'd blow it apart with cannons and just slaughtered like hundreds of Creeks and fought this big protracted war with them like in Alabama.
01:51:38.000Nobody even knows about the fucking Creek War or who William Weatherby is, but when you hear his story, dude, he's like William Wallace of America.
01:51:44.000You wouldn't believe this motherfucker, okay?
01:51:46.000His whole village is getting wiped out, and he's the leader, and they're like, where's William, I was gonna say Wallace, where's William Weatherby?
01:52:00.000So, anyway, he's this creek warrior, and he's like the leader, and he's getting tracked down, and they're trying to find him, and they're like, basically, it's kind of like the Braveheart, how they're like...
01:52:26.000So they're basically like saying, if you don't, if Red Eagle, that's his Indian name, doesn't come in, we're going to just really devastate these people.
01:52:35.000We're going to, you know, all your people are going to be having a bad time.
01:52:38.000So they were like basically going to hurt his tribe if he doesn't surrender.
01:52:42.000And so he's riding in to surrender and he sees a deer, fucking shoots it, picks it up, guts it, throws it over his saddle and keeps riding in to go surrender.
01:52:52.000And he gets there to Andrew Jackson and he's like, if I had an army, I'd fight you to the death.
01:53:01.000But you've killed all my warriors, and I only have women and children.
01:53:59.000If you read this story, and he gives this incredible speech, like I didn't really do it justice, but he's just very eloquent, you know, says this shit, and he's like, do what you want with me.
01:55:06.000And how the Lakotas, how they put the feces on the arrows to poison them.
01:55:11.000Yellowstone, Taylor Sheridan, Land's Empire of the Summer Moon will write and direct epic Comanche leader Quanah and the rise and fall of Old West's fiercest tribe January 18, 2024. Fuck yeah.