The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2153 - Dave Smith

00:00:01.000 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out!

00:00:04.000 The Joe Rogan Experience.

00:00:06.000 Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. 0.87

00:00:12.000 Did you see, uh, Hochul, what she said, that, uh, young black kids don't know what a computer is?

00:00:20.000 Did you see her say that? 0.75

00:00:22.000 No, I didn't see that.

00:00:22.000 Oh my god, and all these dudes did these hilarious videos where, uh, these young black guys, like, got around a computer and they stared at it and bit it and took it...

00:00:34.000 It's like an age thing, too, because that used to kind of be the line that liberals would say.

00:00:41.000 You know, the problem with black kids is they just don't have any role models. 1.00

00:00:44.000 They've never been exposed to this.

00:00:45.000 But that's just totally not true anymore.

00:00:47.000 And sometimes now, because they're from a different generation, they'll still say that.

00:00:51.000 And you're like, have you been around black people lately? 0.99

00:00:54.000 But saying young, poor black kids don't know what a computer is is so crazy. 0.99

00:01:01.000 They've got one in their pocket. 1.00

00:01:05.000 It's such a dumb thing to say. 0.98

00:01:08.000 It's amazing that you could say something like that and be the governor of a major state. 0.99

00:01:15.000 Don't even know what the word computer is.

00:01:18.000 Oh, they're not even familiar with the term?

00:01:20.000 They don't know these things.

00:01:22.000 Like, is she doing a survey?

00:01:25.000 Ma'am, where did you get this data?

00:01:28.000 This is why Malcolm X said that there's nothing more racist than a white liberal.

00:01:32.000 Yes. 1.00

00:01:32.000 Because of shit like this. 1.00

00:01:34.000 Well, they're weak. 1.00

00:01:37.000 Weak people are dangerous. 0.96

00:01:39.000 Weak people that don't like strength are dangerous.

00:01:42.000 They're dangerous because they want to suppress everything.

00:01:45.000 That's what's spooky about it. 0.99

00:01:47.000 Weak people scare the shit out of me, more than even totalitarians do sometimes. 0.99

00:01:52.000 Because they eventually become totalitarian. 0.99

00:01:55.000 It's like the bullied become the bullies.

00:01:58.000 They want payback. 1.00

00:02:00.000 But it's just that weak, liberal men are, to me, they're so detestable. 1.00

00:02:07.000 The weak ones. 0.98

00:02:08.000 I mean, there's some intelligent, brilliant, liberal men.

00:02:12.000 That's their philosophy. 0.96

00:02:14.000 And I think if you're not exposed to the pitfalls of liberalism, if you don't see what happens to your state when those policies get enacted, specifically when things go south, if everything was going great, no one gave a shit who the mayor of Los Angeles was in 2015. Because everything was great. 0.95

00:02:33.000 You know?

00:02:34.000 It was like, there was no problems.

00:02:35.000 Obama was president.

00:02:36.000 The economy was doing good.

00:02:38.000 We weren't at war, really.

00:02:39.000 Kinda we were, but it wasn't affecting us.

00:02:42.000 Right.

00:02:43.000 Well, there's something on that topic of the weakness of modern liberals.

00:02:48.000 I was in, like, late last year, I was in San Diego.

00:02:52.000 And I haven't been to...

00:02:54.000 I mean, I've been to L.A. a couple times, but much less than I used to go, like, when you were out there.

00:02:59.000 And I haven't been to San Francisco in years.

00:03:02.000 But I was in San Diego, and it's like, you know, you've been there.

00:03:06.000 It's like a beautiful city downtown, and where we were, it was a great comedy club, the American Comedy Company down there.

00:03:12.000 Great club.

00:03:13.000 Great club.

00:03:14.000 Love that place.

00:03:15.000 And I'm like downtown, and me and my buddy Rob Bernstein, a very funny comedian who's with me on the trip, we're like walking around.

00:03:24.000 Great restaurants, really nice little downtown.

00:03:25.000 But then there's just blocks that are taken over by these homeless encampments.

00:03:29.000 And right next to them, it's like all these young professionals and these nice restaurants in this nice city.

00:03:36.000 And I was just thinking about that.

00:03:38.000 Like, how are all of the men here so weak that they won't just kind of like put their foot down and be like, hey, no, we're not going to put up with this.

00:03:48.000 Like, we're not just—it's almost like this, like, niceness.

00:03:53.000 Has taken over to the point that you can't even defend this cool city that you have here.

00:03:57.000 And I'm not saying, like, bash the homeless people with clubs or anything like that.

00:04:01.000 I'm just saying, like, why are you allowing this to happen? 0.99

00:04:04.000 And it is, like, a profound weakness that, well, we'd feel like bad people if we were to say, we don't want junkies covered in shit right next to our outdoor dining. 0.98

00:04:14.000 And you're like, no, that would just be reasonable. 0.97

00:04:16.000 Well, what they need is a reasonable plan to help these people.

00:04:21.000 If you really care...

00:04:23.000 If you really care, you've got to do something.

00:04:25.000 You can't just let them exist everywhere.

00:04:28.000 And then in San Francisco, the most recent bizarre one is they're going to give them alcohol.

00:04:33.000 They're going to give money in alcohol. 1.00

00:04:36.000 What is it?

00:04:37.000 Are they giving them actual booze or are they giving them money to buy booze?

00:04:42.000 Help me out with this one.

00:04:43.000 Because it's just so San Francisco.

00:04:46.000 San Francisco is amazing.

00:04:48.000 I lived there in the 70s.

00:04:50.000 I lived there during the Vietnam War when I was a little kid.

00:04:53.000 It was incredible.

00:04:54.000 It was weird.

00:04:55.000 I'm sure.

00:04:56.000 It shaped the way I view things.

00:04:58.000 Because if I had grown up in a very conservative environment with my sensibilities, my hard work ethic, and my belief that You know, you get very fortunate in life in, like, how you're gifted things.

00:05:14.000 Like, how you get lucky.

00:05:16.000 Like, if you're beautiful, for instance.

00:05:17.000 If you're a beautiful woman or man, what a roll of the dice.

00:05:21.000 I mean, good lord. 1.00

00:05:22.000 Good lord did you kill it in the fucking genetic lottery. 1.00

00:05:26.000 I mean, you can't do anything about that. 1.00

00:05:27.000 You can't earn that.

00:05:28.000 You can't go out and get beauty, you know?

00:05:31.000 But after that, whatever hand you've given, you've been given...

00:05:36.000 A lot of it is on you.

00:05:38.000 A lot of it is on you.

00:05:40.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:05:41.000 Terrible things happen to people.

00:05:42.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:05:43.000 Violence happens.

00:05:44.000 Crime happens.

00:05:45.000 Disease happens.

00:05:46.000 Yes, 100%.

00:05:47.000 Misfortune happens 100%.

00:05:49.000 Anyone listening to this right now is lucky you can hear.

00:05:53.000 There's people that can't hear, right?

00:05:55.000 But put that aside.

00:05:57.000 And there's a factor that we need to take into consideration.

00:06:01.000 That factor is discipline.

00:06:04.000 That factor is hard work.

00:06:06.000 That factor is focus.

00:06:08.000 And we should cherish that.

00:06:09.000 And we shouldn't think of it only as negative because it always...

00:06:14.000 People always think it manifests itself in greed and in callous disregard for other people's lives.

00:06:19.000 That's not necessarily true.

00:06:22.000 They're not mutually exclusive.

00:06:24.000 Like, you can have discipline and be a kind person and be a compassionate person and be a liberal person.

00:06:30.000 But so often, liberals in this country, they do not want to take that into consideration, that discipline is a factor.

00:06:40.000 Conservatives always value discipline.

00:06:42.000 They value hard work. 0.99

00:06:43.000 That's why when they want to sell shit to those people, what do they do? 0.99

00:06:46.000 They show a guy on a farm cracking open a beer, a guy who's just been working his fucking ass off for 10 hours a day, cracking up here, around here, it's all just about hard work, and the guy's just throwing back a cold one. 0.99

00:06:58.000 You know, I mean, that's what they're selling you. 0.95

00:07:00.000 They're selling you hard work. 0.96

00:07:01.000 They're not selling you, you know, this poor farmer, you know, who's born into farming life and it's not equitable or fair while there's billionaires out there just make money trading money and it's bullshit and we need to distribute wealth and like, no. 1.00

00:07:16.000 No, that's not the answer either, stupid. 1.00

00:07:18.000 Like, that's not the answer. 1.00

00:07:19.000 But you do need programs to get these people out of homelessness.

00:07:23.000 You can't just encourage them to keep doing it.

00:07:26.000 It's bad for them.

00:07:27.000 It's bad for you.

00:07:28.000 It's bad for the city.

00:07:29.000 It's bad for property values.

00:07:31.000 It's bad for everything!

00:07:32.000 Yep.

00:07:32.000 I couldn't agree more.

00:07:33.000 San Francisco gives actual alcohol.

00:07:37.000 We're not talking rubbing alcohol here, right?

00:07:39.000 They're talking like booze.

00:07:40.000 Oh, they're so good.

00:07:41.000 They're so good.

00:07:42.000 But these are the old hippies.

00:07:44.000 They're still there.

00:07:45.000 They're wearing masks right now while they're listening to this screaming.

00:07:49.000 They're all loss.

00:07:51.000 See, to your point, it's like, look, it'd be ridiculous if someone just completely dismissed the first part of what you were saying.

00:08:00.000 Fortune.

00:08:01.000 Fortune.

00:08:02.000 Luck.

00:08:02.000 Luck is huge.

00:08:03.000 We all didn't get leukemia as little kids and die.

00:08:06.000 You had shot in a drive-by as a little kid.

00:08:08.000 And also, there are just parts of the world, like a lot of what you're saying really applies to like first world advanced countries.

00:08:14.000 You could be in a country that's just a war-torn third world country and you're screwed no matter what you do. 0.89

00:08:19.000 So it would be silly to dismiss that, but it's also equally ridiculous to dismiss the other aspect to it. 0.95

00:08:26.000 Like, okay, every person, every single person who's successful has conquered self-pity.

00:08:36.000 Because everybody's had points in their lives where they've just felt really bad for themselves.

00:08:40.000 We've all had it.

00:08:41.000 We all do it.

00:08:41.000 It's a part of human nature.

00:08:43.000 That's right.

00:08:43.000 But it's also poison.

00:08:45.000 And anybody who's successful has learned how to conquer that and not just sit here and feel bad for yourself and to say, nope, I'm going to take control of this.

00:08:54.000 No matter what happened to me, I'm going to not focus on that.

00:08:57.000 I'm going to focus on what I can control.

00:08:59.000 And the problem is that on either side, if you dismiss one of them, you... 1.00

00:09:04.000 You come to really stupid conclusions. 1.00

00:09:07.000 100%. 1.00

00:09:07.000 And it's not lost on me the irony of two rich white guys, one of them smoking a cigar talking about this. 1.00

00:09:15.000 I would say I'm climbing my way toward there.

00:09:18.000 I don't know.

00:09:19.000 By global standards, sure. 1.00

00:09:21.000 Bro, you're fucking killing it. 1.00

00:09:22.000 Shut your mouth. 1.00

00:09:23.000 By global standards, I'm on Elon Musk level. 0.99

00:09:24.000 That's true.

00:09:25.000 I mean, I'm poor compared to Elon.

00:09:26.000 That is true.

00:09:27.000 You are broke.

00:09:28.000 I'm so broke.

00:09:29.000 Do you think he laughs about you, like when you're not there?

00:09:31.000 Yes! 1.00

00:09:31.000 That poor little bastard. 1.00

00:09:33.000 He goes, I got Rogan coming over to the house. 1.00

00:09:34.000 Put away the good china. 1.00

00:09:36.000 He goes, oh god, the Rogans are coming.

00:09:39.000 There's levels of people.

00:09:41.000 I'm friends now, this is a bizarre thing to say, with multiple billionaires.

00:09:46.000 Yeah.

00:09:47.000 I know multiple guys that are billionaires.

00:09:49.000 And they're very nice people.

00:09:51.000 And I can see how it happens.

00:09:53.000 But you're also friends with the cool billionaires.

00:09:55.000 Yeah.

00:09:56.000 You know?

00:09:56.000 Like, you managed to find the cool ones.

00:09:58.000 Well, Elon's the coolest.

00:09:59.000 He's my favorite billionaire.

00:10:01.000 That dude's wild.

00:10:02.000 He's a wild boy.

00:10:04.000 I will buy Teslas as long as they sell them, just to support that dude.

00:10:08.000 Just to keep Twitter going.

00:10:10.000 And they're dope. 0.91

00:10:11.000 But yeah, just to support him, man. 0.81

00:10:14.000 You, goddammit, you need an Elon Musk in this world. 0.78

00:10:17.000 You need a wild boy. 0.98

00:10:18.000 You need a dude who's got $200 billion who dunks on people. 1.00

00:10:22.000 Dude, how great was watching him realize in real time how stupid Don Lemon is? 1.00

00:10:27.000 Oh my god. 1.00

00:10:28.000 Like, you could actually see on his face as he's asking the questions, and he's like, uh, Well, if you lower standards, then you're going to get more incompetence. 0.98

00:10:35.000 And Don Lemon's like, so you're saying black people aren't competent? 0.96

00:10:38.000 He's like, no. 0.98

00:10:39.000 And he slowly starts to realize, like, oh, I have 80 IQ points on this guy.

00:10:45.000 It's not just that.

00:10:46.000 He said a very important point.

00:10:48.000 He said that Don Lemon was doing CNN outside of CNN. And you don't have to do that.

00:10:54.000 Nobody wants that anymore.

00:10:55.000 I'd say you can't do that.

00:10:56.000 It's not gonna work.

00:10:57.000 It's not gonna work.

00:10:58.000 But more importantly, you shouldn't do it because it's not good for you.

00:11:02.000 Just be a human. 0.99

00:11:03.000 Don't be this thing, this journalistic probing bullshit thing that's trying to spin a narrative. 1.00

00:11:11.000 Actually have a conversation with this human. 0.99

00:11:13.000 You will probably agree with a lot of the things he says.

00:11:16.000 You will understand his perspective even if you disagree.

00:11:20.000 You could see how an intelligent person would come to this conclusion.

00:11:24.000 This is how we can talk to each other now. 0.96

00:11:26.000 We don't have to be confined by these five-minute segments where you have producers and executives that are pushing an agenda that's on a network that's run by a bunch of Huge fucking corporations that have a vested interest in swaying the narrative one way or the other. 0.58

00:11:41.000 You don't have to do that anymore. 0.86

00:11:43.000 That's not necessary.

00:11:44.000 It's bad for people.

00:11:46.000 It's bad for humanity.

00:11:47.000 It's a bad way to distribute information.

00:11:49.000 It is literal propaganda, whether you think it is or not.

00:11:53.000 Oh, dude, I mean, I've done a fair amount of cable news shows, and they'll do these things where it's like a panel, and there'll be three people on the panel and the person hosting the show.

00:12:05.000 There's some people who I really like who I've been on their shows, but it's like you're trying to talk about the most important topics, and everyone gets 20 seconds.

00:12:13.000 It's so ridiculous.

00:12:15.000 I want you to imagine a scenario. 0.64

00:12:17.000 Imagine a scenario where COVID breaks out, And for whatever reason, the mainstream media is saying that we should be very careful about experimental drugs.

00:12:31.000 And they start, these journalists, start bringing up all these stories about different drugs where you could see how they chose very specific tests and that some of their tests, some of their studies didn't go well at all and they buried those and they're allowed to do so.

00:12:50.000 And about how they've killed thousands and thousands of people with these drugs they knew were bad for them.

00:12:55.000 And if the journalists were saying this, but the podcasters were all going, you need to trust the science.

00:13:01.000 Everyone should be vaccinated. 1.00

00:13:03.000 Be vaccinated or you're a fucking plague rat. 1.00

00:13:07.000 Imagine if the podcasters were calling the unvaccinated plague rats. 1.00

00:13:11.000 Imagine if the podcasters were encouraging medical misinformation.

00:13:17.000 Doesn't it seem...

00:13:18.000 But my point is, imagine the backlash right now where there's none coming their way.

00:13:26.000 There's zero.

00:13:27.000 It's like everyone forgot about it.

00:13:29.000 It all went away.

00:13:30.000 Well, I'm debating Chris Cuomo.

00:13:32.000 We would be in jail!

00:13:33.000 I'll be debating Chris Cuomo in a few days.

00:13:35.000 That's the setup.

00:13:36.000 That'll be fun for that.

00:13:37.000 We would be in jail. 0.68

00:13:40.000 All these people that are dropping dead.

00:13:42.000 All these people with strokes, all these people with heart attacks, all these people with...

00:13:46.000 What was the AstraZeneca thing that I sent you today?

00:13:49.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:13:51.000 AstraZeneca, they were saying that 11% of the people had an adverse side effect?

00:13:55.000 Like serious adverse side effects, yeah.

00:13:58.000 But even as you lay out this scenario, doesn't it almost in some way be like, it feels like that makes more sense?

00:14:05.000 What would make more sense was that comedians, like me and you, would have just been saying the dumb thing and repeating it.

00:14:11.000 But the person in a suit and tie at CNN, I mean, this dude's a professional newsman. 0.61

00:14:15.000 Like, he knows what's going on.

00:14:17.000 They would make a very good argument for ending podcasts.

00:14:20.000 Sure.

00:14:21.000 They'd make a very good argument for prosecuting people, class action lawsuits.

00:14:26.000 All the people that encourage these podcasters with their limited...

00:14:29.000 You don't even have a medical degree.

00:14:32.000 And you're on the internet telling people what to do, which is exactly what they did.

00:14:36.000 They did, even though we were getting everything right.

00:14:38.000 And now most of them will admit that we were right.

00:14:42.000 Now when you see Chris Croma and Patrick Bat-David spinning it.

00:14:46.000 Listen, I don't want to go too hard right now because I want him to show up.

00:14:50.000 But the fact that, and I will make sure to bring this up to him, but the fact that what he said, and if you listen to it, he literally goes, as he's explaining that he is on Ivermectin, he goes,

00:15:05.000 now a lot of people are going to say Joe Rogan is right, and then he has a moment where he pauses, realizes he can't even come up with anything.

00:15:12.000 And he goes, all right, Joe Rogan was right.

00:15:14.000 And then goes on to say exactly what you've been saying for years now, that just the most basic thing that anyone who did five minutes of research could have figured out, which there's no controversy in any of this, that ivermectin has been given to humans billions of times,

00:15:32.000 that it's a safe drug, and that there were some indications that it might help.

00:15:36.000 With COVID. And that it's not horse dewormer.

00:15:40.000 But the fact that that's not attached to a profuse apology.

00:15:46.000 I couldn't imagine a scenario where I had viciously smeared someone for something, then realized he was 100% right and I was 100% wrong.

00:15:57.000 And when acknowledging that, I wouldn't also go, hey, I'm really sorry about that.

00:16:01.000 Dude, I think there's a cult-like thinking in mainstream media.

00:16:05.000 Whether they know they're being influenced by their sponsors or they're not.

00:16:09.000 But I don't even think they understand how crazy it is.

00:16:13.000 When I had Sanjay Gupta on, Sanjay Gupta is a very nice man.

00:16:17.000 I think he's a good man.

00:16:18.000 I really do.

00:16:19.000 And he's a surgeon.

00:16:22.000 I mean, he's very busy.

00:16:23.000 The guy is constantly working.

00:16:25.000 And he comes in to give medical information and give this, you know, lay things out for CNN. And I think he thinks he's doing the right thing.

00:16:35.000 When they asked him to be on the podcast, I don't know what they thought was gonna happen.

00:16:40.000 I don't think they...

00:16:41.000 I think they thought they were right.

00:16:44.000 I really do.

00:16:45.000 I think...

00:16:46.000 My guess, and this is just a guess, but I have been in that world a little bit.

00:16:51.000 Like, I worked for CNN for a year, and I've done a lot of shows on Fox News, and I've met a lot of people, you know, and talked to a lot of people who work at CNN and Fox News.

00:16:59.000 And my...

00:17:02.000 My guess on it is that, number one, he had a book.

00:17:07.000 So they want to sell copies of the book and they know you have the biggest show.

00:17:10.000 And so they're like, oh, this will be really good.

00:17:12.000 And then I also think there's this thing where they all really do feel like we're the experts.

00:17:17.000 And they know they're the experts because, I mean, I just got off the phone with, you know...

00:17:22.000 The chief of staff of the White House.

00:17:24.000 And I know that, you know, they're very into that kind of like that world where I've talked to everyone with status.

00:17:29.000 And I think there's hubris involved where they're like, you'll be able to handle whatever a comedian throws at you.

00:17:35.000 Like you're a medical expert and he's not.

00:17:37.000 But then you would just ask really basic questions, which my favorite was when he goes, so are you going to get the vaccine?

00:17:44.000 And you were like, well, no, I just had COVID. I have natural immunity.

00:17:48.000 And you were like, why should I get the vaccine?

00:17:50.000 And he had no answer.

00:17:52.000 And this was at a time when they were rolling out vaccine passports.

00:17:56.000 And the whole line was just, you have to get the vaccine or you're a bad person.

00:18:02.000 This is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. 0.99

00:18:04.000 And then he just demonstrated on your show that there was this huge category of people, people who have had COVID already, who he had no argument for why they should get the thing.

00:18:14.000 Not only that, there had already been research that showed that natural immunity from previous infection was up to seven times better at preventing new cases of COVID. Which is consistent across viruses.

00:18:25.000 Of course.

00:18:26.000 Like, it's always better to have natural immunity.

00:18:27.000 The vaccine is always trying to simulate natural immunity. 0.99

00:18:30.000 This is what was so fucked. 0.99

00:18:31.000 Look, I'm no scholar. 0.99

00:18:33.000 I'm not a smart guy.

00:18:35.000 I'm a normal person.

00:18:37.000 There's nothing special about my brain.

00:18:40.000 And I'm seeing all this stuff...

00:18:43.000 And I'm like, why isn't anybody speaking?

00:18:47.000 I started to feel like I was going crazy.

00:18:49.000 Like, am I going crazy for not just letting them shoot me up with this stuff after I got COVID just so I let everybody know I'm on the team?

00:18:58.000 Right.

00:18:58.000 Because there's this pull.

00:18:59.000 There's a fucking societal pull that even me, even me, who was like, I know this is ridiculous. 0.98

00:19:07.000 All the people I've talked to, all the research I've done on previous diseases, and my research is reading other people's. 0.99

00:19:13.000 It's a bad word.

00:19:14.000 All the reading that I've done.

00:19:16.000 Jimmy Dore has a great bit about that.

00:19:19.000 Oh, it's so funny.

00:19:19.000 I love it.

00:19:20.000 Don't do your own research.

00:19:21.000 It used to be called reading.

00:19:24.000 Jimmy Dore is awesome.

00:19:25.000 I love it.

00:19:26.000 Love Jimmy Dore.

00:19:26.000 It's a great bit.

00:19:28.000 In my limited looking at this, I was like, something's wrong here.

00:19:33.000 There's this mass societal push.

00:19:36.000 People are trapped in like a mind virus of this one particular solution.

00:19:42.000 And Dr. Robert Malone laid what that is, like psychologically what happens when one thing is offered That seems to be the solution out of this existential crisis.

00:19:55.000 Horrible situation that we're in.

00:19:56.000 And anybody who opposes that opposes getting out.

00:20:00.000 And you got to be on that side, all in.

00:20:03.000 And you got to believe even in the pharmaceutical drug companies.

00:20:07.000 And, like, there's this weird, you know, because we're weird social, psychological creatures.

00:20:14.000 And, you know, if you think about, like, the Milgram experiments and what people will do if there's a person in a white coat telling them to do it.

00:20:20.000 And part of, like, the culture...

00:20:22.000 Explain the Milgram thing to...

00:20:24.000 People don't know.

00:20:24.000 So the experiment was kind of like, basically they come in and they're like, okay, you're here for some type of scientific experiment.

00:20:31.000 I forget exactly how they describe it to them, but they're testing, you know, like negative reinforcement within learning or something like that.

00:20:39.000 And so they have a guy in a white coat and he tells you every time a guy gets an answer wrong or something like this, you're supposed to push the button and it zaps him.

00:20:46.000 And they keep pushing the button and the person, you can't see them but they're like behind a wall or something, keeps hollering in pain and it gets worse and worse and worse.

00:20:56.000 And for the experiment, I think there were a few people who like refused after a while, but the overwhelming majority of people would keep zapping them until they seemingly died.

00:21:07.000 Yeah, because they stopped hollering in pain and then they would tell him to do it again and they would just keep doing it because there's like an authority figure here and this guy's got a white coat on and they kind of in these corporate media environments and I don't want to discount I'm not discounting the conspiracy aspect of this because I also think there are people within these agencies who are straight up like Intelligence assets and know exactly what they're doing.

00:21:32.000 But I think for the most part, it's like they create this culture of like, well, all the wise people who, by the way, you get to go to a cocktail party with this really, like this guy with all this status and he's the leading expert in this.

00:21:43.000 And they all say this.

00:21:44.000 So are you a respectable person or are you like an outcast? 0.83

00:21:48.000 Who doesn't agree with this conventional wisdom right and people fall in line with that shit man like it's They really do even people who really really should know better Yeah, but it's become socially their group too and then you get influenced by the group socially Well one of this one of the things I'm really interested to talk to Chris Cuomo about and by the way that's on Patrick Bitt David's show on the 31st but You know, 0.87

00:22:15.000 these guys, I'm kind of fascinated by the people in the corporate press, as much contempt as I have for them, because it's amazing to be working. 0.87

00:22:22.000 You're working in this industry where, okay, before COVID, the corporate media had the lowest approval numbers since they've been keeping track of them.

00:22:32.000 Trust in media had evaporated.

00:22:34.000 The war with Donald Trump.

00:22:36.000 That's really what it was.

00:22:38.000 It's like social media was all controlled by the left-wing media, and the left-wing media was all in on this war against Donald Trump.

00:22:47.000 That's a huge part of it.

00:22:48.000 I mean, I would say the backdrop is the war on terror, the terror wars, getting all of that wrong, the financial crisis, not seeing that coming and kind Yeah, that's all that stuff.

00:23:00.000 Iraq and Afghanistan being disasters. 1.00

00:23:02.000 So that's kind of in the backdrop.

00:23:04.000 And then you have the worst financial crisis in 100 years.

00:23:07.000 So that happened.

00:23:07.000 But then there's no question, I mean, and particularly not just the war with Donald Trump, but particularly the...

00:23:14.000 Allegation of a conspiracy with Russia that they said every single day, all day, for three years long.

00:23:20.000 I mean, if you think about it, it's the big...

00:23:22.000 If true, it's the biggest news story in the history of the United States of America.

00:23:27.000 They're claiming that the current sitting president is guilty of treason.

00:23:31.000 He was installed by a hostile foreign power who overthrew our elections in order to install him.

00:23:36.000 It was quite a claim to run with 24-7.

00:23:39.000 And then to find out after three years that we have nothing...

00:23:43.000 Not like there's nothing, no evidence pointing toward this conspiracy even existing.

00:23:48.000 So their trust had already evaporated.

00:23:51.000 But then, after COVID, they will never recover.

00:23:54.000 But people will still go on Bill Maher and argue this.

00:23:56.000 They'll still say there's evidence.

00:23:58.000 It's like people still want to say there's evidence.

00:24:01.000 They'll still say it.

00:24:02.000 There's not even evidence that Vladimir Putin interfered in the 2016 election.

00:24:07.000 The best they have is, like, there are some bot farms that they can trace to Russian IP addresses, which is like, I'm not a tech guy.

00:24:16.000 Jamie, you know this better than me, but they say it's the easiest thing to fake, is an IP address.

00:24:20.000 The fact that an IP address traces to Russia is, like, almost more indicative that someone's trying to frame Russia than it is that Russia was involved.

00:24:29.000 But even the guys who they got...

00:24:31.000 Imagine if we found out that that's what the case was.

00:24:34.000 Imagine if we found out that the Russian troll farms were completely insignificant, and it's all just government-controlled troll farms.

00:24:41.000 Well, I mean, look, even if they were all from Vladimir Putin, they were fairly insignificant in terms of interfering in elections with other countries and how it works.

00:24:51.000 The most effective strategy was funny memes.

00:24:53.000 Yeah.

00:24:54.000 Yeah.

00:24:54.000 I mean, it really was a very effective strategy because it makes some...

00:24:57.000 When you mock something, it makes it much more easy to dismiss that in terms of whether or not, like, that's the right choice for president.

00:25:04.000 If someone can, like, openly mock some...

00:25:06.000 Why do you think they openly mock Donald Trump's...

00:25:08.000 They even made stuff up, like, about his hand size.

00:25:12.000 Yeah.

00:25:12.000 Remember, there was this thing that he had little hands.

00:25:15.000 Dude, I was shaking his hands. 0.99

00:25:16.000 He's got normal fucking hands. 1.00

00:25:18.000 He's a big guy. 1.00

00:25:20.000 He's a big guy.

00:25:21.000 He's got a big hand. 0.99

00:25:23.000 I remember the first time I shook his hand, I was like, this is the most ridiculous thing. 0.95

00:25:28.000 That everybody said he has little hands. 0.92

00:25:30.000 Mocking people is a powerful tool, dude.

00:25:33.000 That's a crazy one because you're mocking something that someone can't change.

00:25:38.000 That's against left-wing ideology.

00:25:40.000 Not when it serves their purposes.

00:25:42.000 Right, but that's the thing.

00:25:43.000 You're willing to violate the rules for your side to win.

00:25:46.000 Because progressives have always supposed to have been against body shaming.

00:25:50.000 You're supposed to be kind.

00:25:52.000 You're supposed to not mock a person's appearance. 0.99

00:25:55.000 Why would you do, especially like what they're born with, the hand size and the dick size, like really? 0.99

00:26:00.000 That's okay to mock? 0.98

00:26:01.000 Dude, there was a segment, I remember watching this, it was in the 2016 election and it was on Joy Reid's show on MSNBC, her show at the time, whatever it was, and she had a whole segment I'm about like how sexist the coverage of Hillary Clinton was and it was you know every time they'll say she's shrill or she's this but if a man was like that it'd be this and she went through all these words that have been used to cover Hillary Clinton and how they're loaded sexist phrases

00:26:32.000 and all this and then at the end of her show she has this segment called who won the week And all the guests on the panel get to pick their own, like, what happened this week.

00:26:41.000 And her choice, not one of the people on the panel, her choice of who won the week was this guy in Union Square who made a naked statue of Donald Trump with a micropenis. 0.99

00:26:56.000 And was just, like, literally, like, just making a thing like, aha, he's got a little dick. 0.97

00:27:01.000 And after, literally, her last segment was on the sexist coverage of Hillary Clinton, and then her next pick for who won the week was a guy mocking Trump for having a micropenis that he just made up and made a statue of. 0.98

00:27:14.000 And she did not even, like, seem to see the contradiction in any of that.

00:27:18.000 It's beautiful.

00:27:18.000 Like, you just said this.

00:27:20.000 It's beautiful.

00:27:21.000 It's fun.

00:27:22.000 It's fun.

00:27:23.000 It's fun to watch.

00:27:24.000 I'm glad those people exist.

00:27:25.000 They're fun. 0.99

00:27:26.000 They're fun to watch because they're so ridiculous and they're so fake. 0.99

00:27:30.000 It's obvious that they're not really engaged. 0.99

00:27:35.000 They're not really talking about it like a human.

00:27:37.000 They're just propagandists.

00:27:39.000 And that's the only way you can do that job.

00:27:42.000 If you want to do that job, you have to be a propagandist.

00:27:44.000 Or you have to be some sort of straight-faced Jake Tapper dude who just kind of like straight faces everything.

00:27:49.000 But if you want, you know, you want to have the Joy Reid show...

00:27:53.000 Yeah, you gotta go for it.

00:27:54.000 You gotta shake Joy Reid things!

00:27:56.000 What was that one she got in some bizarre argument with some woman recently?

00:28:01.000 I think it was a transgender issue.

00:28:03.000 Was that what it was, Jamie?

00:28:05.000 Where it was like, it went viral.

00:28:07.000 Because, like, I forget what the debate was about, but I remember it being just a preposterous argument.

00:28:15.000 The way she was looking at it.

00:28:18.000 Yeah, she's pretty out there. 0.99

00:28:19.000 I'm not sure what segment you're referring to, but she's got a whole lot.

00:28:23.000 A whole lot of great hits.

00:28:24.000 It's not...

00:28:25.000 Yeah, it's...

00:28:26.000 Like, you have to be on that network.

00:28:28.000 Like, you can't exist in the podcast world.

00:28:31.000 It's not...

00:28:32.000 What is it?

00:28:35.000 Absurd argument Republicans vote on race night.

00:28:37.000 No, that's not it.

00:28:39.000 No.

00:28:40.000 I should have saved it.

00:28:42.000 I probably did save it somewhere on my phone.

00:28:44.000 I could find it.

00:28:45.000 But it's just these...

00:28:46.000 I believe it was some sort of a trans issue, if I'm correct. 1.00

00:28:51.000 But it's just, these fucking people on these shows are trapped. 1.00

00:28:56.000 You're trapped. 1.00

00:28:57.000 You're trapped in this world of five minutes.

00:28:59.000 You're trapped in this world of commercials.

00:29:01.000 You're trapped in this world of networks and executives.

00:29:04.000 You're trapped. 1.00

00:29:05.000 And if you want to make it, you've got to be full of shit. 1.00

00:29:08.000 You've got to be full of shit. 1.00

00:29:09.000 That's the gig. 1.00

00:29:10.000 And it's just like, you point this out all the time, but it's just not enough time to have a real conversation on any of these shows.

00:29:17.000 Dude, I did a debate for Zero Hedge a couple months ago on the Israel-Gaza conflict, and it was a two-on-two debate, and it was two hours long.

00:29:30.000 And the only thing I could think at the end of it was like, that just wasn't nearly enough time.

00:29:34.000 It's like two hours and four people.

00:29:37.000 You get like a half hour, you know, roughly not, I don't know exactly if we all spoke even time, but roughly a half hour each.

00:29:43.000 That's not nearly enough to go through like the history of all this shit and what's going on now and to really make your points.

00:29:49.000 And that's a two hour debate. 0.98

00:29:51.000 They'll do that same segment on the news in 10 minutes, five minutes. 0.96

00:29:55.000 It's ridiculous. 0.97

00:29:55.000 You're like, this is insane. 0.97

00:29:56.000 It's insanity.

00:29:57.000 You're just trying to hit whatever the best point you can hit is.

00:30:00.000 And in the same way that Twitter, I mean, now you could post longer stuff.

00:30:03.000 But you know what?

00:30:04.000 Twitter, just because it's short, it just pushes you into saying whatever just can destroy that guy in one sentence.

00:30:11.000 It's like it pushes you into that.

00:30:13.000 It's headlines.

00:30:14.000 Yeah.

00:30:15.000 That's all you can do.

00:30:15.000 And when you're dealing with something like this, just the depth of it all is just so perplexing.

00:30:21.000 You know when you just lay out like when Mike Baker's on and he lays out the history Of, like, Palestine and Israel and the conflicts in Egypt and this and that and Hamas and Hezbollah and you lay it all, you're like,

00:30:36.000 Jesus Christ! 0.99

00:30:39.000 There's so many layers to this fucking cake. 1.00

00:30:42.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:30:42.000 And most people are just getting, free Palestine, from the river to the sea, yay! 1.00

00:30:46.000 You know, you're just getting these, like, slogans that you yell out and you're seeing who knows how much of what you're seeing is even real today.

00:30:56.000 Well, you mean like with the protests?

00:30:58.000 With the footage.

00:30:59.000 The footage.

00:30:59.000 Footage of things.

00:31:00.000 Even footage of people fake things now.

00:31:05.000 And they fake things specifically for propaganda.

00:31:08.000 And then they hide things.

00:31:09.000 One of the most terrifying videos I saw recently was one of the Israeli hostages.

00:31:14.000 She was in the back of a jeep.

00:31:16.000 And they drag her out by her hair and she's got blood all over her. 1.00

00:31:20.000 And they had hacked her heels to make sure she couldn't run. 0.68

00:31:24.000 Bro, it's so terrifying.

00:31:26.000 It's so, and they're all screaming, God is great, Allah, Wakba. 0.99

00:31:31.000 Yeah, dude, I know, I think there's a thing, I don't know if I could word this exactly right, but I think there's, for some reason, I think comedians have this thing that they're kind of able to go to these places.

00:31:41.000 Do you remember, you remember when you had Bill Burr on your show, and you played this video, I don't know why I just loved this moment so much, but you played this video of a dude ripping something out of a little girl's hand, And it was something like, the guy, she had a piece of paper or something,

00:31:57.000 and he was way aggressive.

00:31:58.000 I think it was a protest.

00:32:00.000 Yeah, it was like a grown man going up to a little girl and ripping it out.

00:32:03.000 And you, immediately, you were like, oh man, that'd be real bad if that was my kid.

00:32:08.000 I'd be in jail the next day or that.

00:32:10.000 And then Burr was like, oh, you went to a dark place there.

00:32:13.000 And you were like, yeah, I do that a lot.

00:32:14.000 And he was like, I do that all the time, too.

00:32:16.000 It was just something about comedians, for whatever reason, do that.

00:32:19.000 Well, also parents.

00:32:20.000 Yeah, well that particularly, but I just, it's just very easy for me, I don't know why, this always just came very natural to me, whereas I think some people have so much trouble with this, but it's very easy for me to do this on both sides of this conflict, to just go, okay, like I got two little kids,

00:32:36.000 I could just just start to imagine if somebody did something in one of my little kids and I wasn't able to protect them and what I'd be willing to do like how dark a place I could go to and It's just like immediately very easy to me to see how anyone in Israel after October 7th would support fucking flatten Gaza and how anyone in Palestine after what's going on the last 50 years there would be like Yeah, 0.83

00:33:00.000 I'll sign up for Hamas. 1.00

00:33:01.000 I'll support these guys who are going to do this shit now I do think Both sides. 1.00

00:33:06.000 For sure. 1.00

00:33:07.000 Which is the most scary thing about the conflict.

00:33:10.000 Sure.

00:33:11.000 And that's why it's gotten to such a bad point, right?

00:33:13.000 Because this is the cycle that keeps going.

00:33:16.000 But I do think, and this is what Daryl Cooper, who I brought him up last time I was on, he has that fantastic series called A Fear and Loathing in the New Jerusalem.

00:33:25.000 And he's just totally brilliant.

00:33:27.000 I love that guy.

00:33:28.000 But he...

00:33:29.000 And I think this is right, is that he's like, okay, so you can totally see where if you're on either side there, you'd just be like, I don't care.

00:33:35.000 I see red. 0.99

00:33:36.000 I want to kill as many of the other side as I can. 1.00

00:33:39.000 But for us as Americans who are not in that situation, it's kind of incumbent on us to be like, okay, let's try to kind of have a sober analysis of this and not do what so many people seem to do, which is like... 0.97

00:33:52.000 Almost try to just like egg on the other side and cheer on their side.

00:33:56.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:33:56.000 And then this total like demonization of either all of the Palestinians, like they're all just human garbage or all Jews are whatever evil or something like this. 0.99

00:34:08.000 Young kids in America who are Jewish are complicit. 1.00

00:34:10.000 They're somehow another responsible. 0.99

00:34:11.000 Yeah, which is like totally ridiculous. 0.76

00:34:13.000 You see Jerry Seinfeld, they're heckling at his shows now.

00:34:15.000 There's like some organized protest that came to his show and they were screaming out in the middle of his show.

00:34:20.000 It's also just like, guys, like, take it—look.

00:34:22.000 Like, I understand wanting to protest this war.

00:34:25.000 I got my issues with the young college leftists who are protesting it.

00:34:29.000 They're not my people, exactly. 0.80

00:34:33.000 But, like, you know, there's an Israeli embassy here.

00:34:35.000 There's a Congress.

00:34:36.000 There's—like, take it at least to the halls of power.

00:34:39.000 Like, I don't think Jerry—ruining, you know, like— Other people's ability to enjoy Seinfeld's stand-up show is really gonna solve the issue.

00:34:47.000 Yeah, because they're not really thinking well.

00:34:49.000 No, of course not.

00:34:49.000 And most of these people that do this, they come from wealthy families.

00:34:52.000 They're young, really idealistic kids, and they glue themselves to paintings. 0.99

00:34:57.000 And they throw fucking soup at masterpieces. 0.99

00:35:01.000 Did you see the one Stop Oil Now person sliced up this fucking painting from the 1800s? 1.00

00:35:07.000 Some priceless painting. 0.99

00:35:09.000 Just pulled out a razor knife and just started slashing this thing up.

00:35:13.000 Isn't it weird if sometimes it feels like each side's foot soldiers are working for the other side?

00:35:19.000 You know what I mean?

00:35:20.000 Like when you do stuff like that, you're almost like, I just want to drill for more oil now.

00:35:24.000 Well, this is the problem with teams, man.

00:35:26.000 There's a problem with teams if you have a team that anybody can join.

00:35:31.000 The Republicans are basically like the Christians. 0.93

00:35:34.000 They'll take anybody.

00:35:35.000 Anybody.

00:35:36.000 If you want to be a Jew, you've got to go to work. 1.00

00:35:38.000 You've got to learn a bunch of shit. 1.00

00:35:40.000 My uncle converted. 1.00

00:35:41.000 It's a lot of work.

00:35:42.000 They make you work.

00:35:43.000 You've got to work. 0.99

00:35:43.000 You've got to fucking learn some stuff. 0.99

00:35:45.000 I remember I was doing this... 0.99

00:35:48.000 This episode of Joe Rogan Questions Everything where I was talking to religious people of a bunch of different religious sects and religious scholars and I was talking to this one guy who was a rabbi and there was a woman there that was converting to Judaism and I got to ask her questions about like how she's doing it and like how hard it is and like it's fucking it's like getting your pilot's license or something. 0.99

00:36:10.000 It's a lot of fucking shit you gotta remember. 0.97

00:36:12.000 It's like the way citizenship is, where like when you're born Jewish, like I am, or born an American like I am, and you're like, oh man, I couldn't have passed that test. 1.00

00:36:21.000 It's a good thing I was born into this shit. 1.00

00:36:23.000 It's a hard fucking test, yeah. 1.00

00:36:24.000 They really, they make you work. 1.00

00:36:25.000 Well, I think the Jewish one's harder than the American one. 0.93

00:36:27.000 Yeah, probably.

00:36:28.000 But the American one- Well, these days you could just walk in. 1.00

00:36:30.000 But if you don't walk in, you're fucked. 0.98

00:36:32.000 If you don't walk in, then if you fly in from Europe, they're like, uh-uh, you flew first class. 0.99

00:36:36.000 We're gonna make it really hard for you to become a citizen.

00:36:39.000 Dude, which is- By the way, it sums up everything about modern-day America.

00:36:44.000 Anarcho-tyranny. 0.98

00:36:45.000 It's like you have the worst of anarchism and tyranny all in one, where if you follow the rules, you get totally fucked, and if you just ignore the rules, you get rewarded. 0.99

00:36:55.000 The worst incentives. 0.97

00:36:57.000 And everybody wants to be on a team. 1.00

00:37:00.000 So if you have a team that's open to anybody, you're going to get the dumbest fucking people that are super enthusiastic about that team. 1.00

00:37:09.000 And they're going to ruin everything. 1.00

00:37:11.000 And they do it on the right, and they do it on the left.

00:37:15.000 That's why I say my message is always reject the teams and come be a libertarian and lose with me.

00:37:20.000 Just keep losing.

00:37:21.000 Come and just enjoy losing.

00:37:23.000 There's something freeing about knowing you're not going to win.

00:37:26.000 They're the most reasonable people I talk to politically.

00:37:28.000 Yeah.

00:37:29.000 But it's also like, but it's also the system is so deep, like you ain't getting in.

00:37:34.000 Well, that's the real question.

00:37:36.000 I mean, there's almost like figuring out what the solution is.

00:37:40.000 Is almost the easy part.

00:37:42.000 And then actually figuring out how to implement it.

00:37:45.000 Aliens.

00:37:45.000 Aliens have to land.

00:37:46.000 They have to land.

00:37:46.000 They literally have to land.

00:37:48.000 Enough.

00:37:49.000 Because we're like on our way to a kingship.

00:37:52.000 We're on our way.

00:37:53.000 AI just has to be like, listen, we read all of the books in human history and we figured this out pretty quickly.

00:37:58.000 That might be the thing that saves us and ruins us at the same time, is President AI. President AI? President AI will be logical, and if it's on the blockchain, we'll know exactly if President AI is being influenced by money.

00:38:11.000 Wouldn't it be great if AI just turns out to be as human as us and is just corrupted, and they're like, President AI got a blowjob in the Oval Office. 0.95

00:38:19.000 The power went to his head. 1.00

00:38:20.000 He just started making AI whores. 0.98

00:38:24.000 He's got to give a press conference. 0.98

00:38:25.000 He's like, I don't know what I was thinking, man.

00:38:27.000 I was pretty good until I got in there.

00:38:29.000 The ring of power just ruins everyone.

00:38:31.000 We are going to bypass biological needs, and we're going to do it pretty soon.

00:38:36.000 It's going to be real soon. 0.91

00:38:39.000 Regular sex is going to seem ridiculous in 20 years. 0.98

00:38:41.000 We're gonna be the, like, old-school guys who are like, I still do sex the old-fashioned way with my wife. 0.99

00:38:46.000 I remember when I was in high school, we got hand jobs. 1.00

00:38:49.000 These kids are fucking robots when they're six. 1.00

00:38:53.000 People are gonna be like, you have sex with your wife? 1.00

00:38:55.000 That's insane, dude. 1.00

00:38:56.000 Why are you doing that? 0.95

00:38:57.000 What if you guys get diseased?

00:38:59.000 People die from those diseases.

00:39:00.000 I do think, like, I mean, look, obviously, like, I'm biased on the...

00:39:07.000 Like, I have my own opinions on these things.

00:39:09.000 But I do just think that one of the things that I've found kind of amazing, and I've thought this with some of the people who have come on your show since the last time I was here, is the...

00:39:22.000 The way that people can defend what Israel's doing in Gaza does kind of blow my mind.

00:39:27.000 It blows my mind, too.

00:39:29.000 Because it reminds you that it's like, you're like, oh, okay, look, throughout all of human history, right, I'm not saying there's anything unique to Israel, like they're the only ones to ever commit atrocities or that they're not dealing with atrocities committed to them.

00:39:42.000 What they're doing is super standard.

00:39:43.000 In terms of like world wars?

00:39:45.000 In terms of like Dresden?

00:39:47.000 Well yeah, that's the thing.

00:39:49.000 If you compare it to the worst things that have ever happened in the history of the world.

00:39:52.000 But I'm just saying throughout all of human history there's been atrocities and there's been genocides and ethnic cleansing campaigns and slavery and all.

00:39:59.000 But at every single point there was someone there willing to rationalize it.

00:40:02.000 You know, like someone there who would be like, no, no, no, listen, this is what we have to do, because otherwise this, and it's amazing the mental gymnastics that people can come up with to justify something that is so clearly on its face, just heartbreaking.

00:40:17.000 Horrific.

00:40:18.000 But I think the difference is, back then, your understanding of it was much more limited.

00:40:24.000 You weren't watching videos on it.

00:40:26.000 They didn't exist.

00:40:27.000 If you saw it on television or in the movie theater, it'd be a small clip that was played.

00:40:33.000 And it was played before the film.

00:40:36.000 But everyone knew that the reason why we're here is because people went to war and won.

00:40:43.000 Or you escaped a war-ravaged country and you came to America.

00:40:47.000 Everyone knew it.

00:40:49.000 Everyone had an understanding of that.

00:40:50.000 So when we were at war, people were signing up to go to war.

00:40:55.000 There was no need to draft them.

00:40:56.000 By the time Vietnam rolled around, people were starting to get more information. 0.99

00:41:01.000 And they go, hey, I think this is a bullshit war. 0.99

00:41:04.000 Which is like the first time ever in this short history of our country where we're like, hey, this one sucks. 1.00

00:41:10.000 It was kind of no defending it.

00:41:12.000 It was, and then when you find out they were right, at the end of it all, when you find out many, many years later the Gulf of Tonkin was a false flag, you're like, what? 0.96

00:41:20.000 Which they didn't even need in order to be right, but then you find out you're like, oh, the whole thing was...

00:41:25.000 The whole thing.

00:41:25.000 And then you go, what did you guys do with all that heroin money?

00:41:29.000 Yeah.

00:41:30.000 Where did all that money go?

00:41:31.000 Because if I was the government, and I was willing, just imagine if Eisenhower's correct, which is insane, how could he be?

00:41:39.000 And that there was a real influence of military-industrial complex. 0.98

00:41:42.000 If I was the military-industrial complex, and I was willing to fucking start a war with North Vietnam for no fucking reason. 0.99

00:41:51.000 For no reason. 0.99

00:41:53.000 So 100%, I'm going to kill X amount of people and a bunch of Americans, and then you're going to actually make these people, these Americans, you're going to draft them and force them to go because they don't want to go. 0.99

00:42:05.000 You don't think I'd sell heroin? 0.99

00:42:08.000 Like that would be your line?

00:42:11.000 Narcotics?

00:42:12.000 Hold on.

00:42:14.000 How much are these guys making? 1.00

00:42:16.000 How much are these fucking dudes making? 1.00

00:42:19.000 How much? 1.00

00:42:20.000 How many billions?

00:42:21.000 This is of what percentage of the world's heroin supply?

00:42:24.000 And then when you see the same trick played out in Afghanistan, My favorite was Geraldo Rivera interviewing the troops, rationalizing why they had to guard the poppy fields.

00:42:35.000 We have to guard the heroin.

00:42:37.000 For the good folks.

00:42:39.000 This heroin falls into the wrong hands.

00:42:41.000 It could be lethal.

00:42:41.000 There's no way America would sell this heroin.

00:42:43.000 There's no way.

00:42:44.000 The output of heroin out of Afghanistan, I want to say it was a 96% increase.

00:42:57.000 80% global supply.

00:42:58.000 Oh, so you're exaggerating, Joe.

00:42:59.000 It's only 80%.

00:43:00.000 No, no, no.

00:43:01.000 It was responsible for 80%.

00:43:03.000 Ooh, yeah.

00:43:04.000 It was responsible for most of the global supply of heroin.

00:43:08.000 And the production went up after we invaded.

00:43:11.000 So opium poppy, which grows extensively in Afghanistan and southern fields, contains main opium ingredient used to manufacture heroin.

00:43:18.000 Afghanistan was previously the world's top opium producer, responsible for over 80% of the global supply and a major source of heroin in Europe and Asia.

00:43:26.000 So how much did it go?

00:43:27.000 Oh, plunges by 95%.

00:43:29.000 When was this?

00:43:31.000 Under the Taliban.

00:43:32.000 Now.

00:43:33.000 That's now.

00:43:33.000 Yeah.

00:43:34.000 See, the Taliban doesn't want everybody on heroin.

00:43:36.000 They want people to get back to work and make Afghanistan great again.

00:43:44.000 The Taliban just ran on a Trump message. 1.00

00:43:46.000 They fucking kicked out the drug dealers. 1.00

00:43:48.000 That's what happened. 1.00

00:43:49.000 They kicked out the drug dealers.

00:43:51.000 Dude, there was a giant part of the supply of heroin to the world.

00:43:56.000 The idea that we didn't...

00:43:58.000 Well, we are not interested in that at all.

00:44:00.000 We just want to push freedom.

00:44:02.000 Yeah, and I think even people who are... 0.99

00:44:04.000 Even the people, I think, who are lying about this shit rationalize it in their own head. 0.98

00:44:08.000 Bro, where'd that money go? 0.99

00:44:10.000 Yeah, well, that's...

00:44:11.000 Where'd all that heroin money go?

00:44:12.000 Well, I know you were...

00:44:13.000 I was listening to the Mike Baker podcast you had on where you were talking about the money in Ukraine and where it went, and even he was like, ah, yeah, no, we don't really know where the...

00:44:21.000 I thought one of the funniest things about that was that...

00:44:23.000 I'll tell you where some of it goes.

00:44:25.000 Well, that's for sure.

00:44:27.000 I think that's for sure.

00:44:30.000 The Taliban... 0.80

00:44:30.000 It's not... 0.80

00:44:31.000 Our tax dollars have 100% paid for some cocaine.

00:44:35.000 Oh, certainly.

00:44:36.000 The Taliban's successful opium ban is bad for Afghans and the world.

00:44:42.000 The ban is not a counter-narcotics victory, and we'll have negative economic and humanitarian consequences, potentially leading to a refugee crisis.

00:44:50.000 Oh, unlike us leaving in the middle of nowhere, allowing the Taliban to kill all the people we worked with.

00:44:57.000 But you see, you get my point about how humans can rationalize anything?

00:45:00.000 Like, they can just come up with...

00:45:01.000 Propaganda.

00:45:01.000 That's propaganda, bro.

00:45:04.000 Yes, that's true.

00:45:04.000 That's also true.

00:45:05.000 But even people who are like, I mean, I like...

00:45:08.000 Look, I thought – the only way you could say that, whether it made sense, is if you're advocating that heroin should be legal.

00:45:16.000 Yes.

00:45:17.000 If you're advocating that heroin should be legal, and this is your full perspective, okay, now I'll accept it. 0.97

00:45:21.000 But if you really think that heroin is a scourge, and if you really do appreciate that 100,000 people died last year of opioid overdoses, 100,000, it's a real fucking crisis. 0.98

00:45:33.000 If there was a disease killing 100,000 people, we would freak the fuck out. 0.96

00:45:39.000 Well, look, I mean, I do think there's a strong argument for legalization, but there's also a difference between that and the government kind of like sponsoring the trade of it. 0.98

00:45:47.000 Damn, this is 90% of heroin globally and more than 95% of the European supply. 0.66

00:45:54.000 More land is used for opium in Afghanistan than is used for coca cultivation in Latin America. 0.99

00:46:01.000 Bro, you don't think that has something to do with it?

00:46:05.000 Is that...

00:46:06.000 Am I silly? 0.74

00:46:07.000 No, I think it's insane to ignore that. 0.81

00:46:09.000 I mean, like, come on.

00:46:10.000 Where's that money?

00:46:11.000 Yeah.

00:46:11.000 Where's that money?

00:46:12.000 So I was going to say, dude, Rand Paul...

00:46:14.000 I thought this was so funny.

00:46:15.000 It was during one of the rounds of aid to Ukraine, and Rand Paul stood up and said...

00:46:23.000 Look, we don't know where any of this money is going.

00:46:27.000 If we're gonna send them this money, can we at least have an inspector general so that we itemize where all the money is going?

00:46:34.000 And it failed.

00:46:36.000 Of course it failed.

00:46:38.000 That's communist talk.

00:46:39.000 Yeah, like even in the Senate, they were like, what?

00:46:40.000 What are you talking about?

00:46:42.000 Communist talk.

00:46:43.000 We're going to know where our money's going?

00:46:45.000 Nah, that's lame.

00:46:46.000 Just send it over there. 1.00

00:46:48.000 Just send them that shit. 1.00

00:46:49.000 Send them everything they need and more. 1.00

00:46:51.000 And then, do you have one of their flags?

00:46:53.000 You should wave it around.

00:46:54.000 Yeah.

00:46:55.000 And we'll provide the flags.

00:46:56.000 Leave it around in Congress.

00:46:57.000 We'll provide the flags.

00:46:58.000 Don't worry.

00:46:58.000 We'll give you flags.

00:46:58.000 They're all uniform, same size.

00:46:59.000 It's not like people bought them from different vendors.

00:47:02.000 No, they all got them from the same...

00:47:03.000 They got a little box of them.

00:47:04.000 Hey, make sure you guys grab your flags. 0.99

00:47:07.000 It's fucking bonkers. 0.99

00:47:09.000 It's also just so... 0.97

00:47:10.000 The thing that's so wild to me is that after, and I know I've talked about this, I'm sure, on previous episodes, but just after 20 years of the terror wars and what a disaster those were, and to the point that everyone...

00:47:22.000 John McCain wrote in his memoir that the war in Iraq was a mistake.

00:47:26.000 That's how universally agreed upon it is.

00:47:29.000 Which is hilarious.

00:47:30.000 John McCain would acknowledge we got that one wrong.

00:47:32.000 And it's not like anyone else is defending any of the other terror wars at this point.

00:47:36.000 But then as soon as we kind of get out of them, we're not even fully out, but we're mostly out, we just get into these proxy wars in Ukraine and now in Israel that are clearly wars of choice for America.

00:47:48.000 Like, we don't have to be involved in these.

00:47:50.000 We're just still deciding to continue this war machine going.

00:47:54.000 The last two are really important.

00:47:55.000 When they get done, we're done.

00:47:58.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

00:47:59.000 These last two.

00:48:00.000 This is it.

00:48:01.000 Right.

00:48:03.000 Anyway, man, I will say that I think a lot of the defense of the war in Gaza, which I kind of feel we are even calling a war, because it doesn't exactly feel like that's what the term should be.

00:48:15.000 Well, it's like the Bill Hicks joke.

00:48:16.000 It's only a war when two armies are fighting.

00:48:18.000 Well, right.

00:48:18.000 Remember that joke?

00:48:19.000 Yeah, vaguely.

00:48:20.000 About Iraq?

00:48:21.000 They said, oh, Bill, Iraq is the fourth largest army.

00:48:25.000 He goes, yeah, but after number three, there's a big drop-off.

00:48:29.000 He goes, the Salvation Army's number five.

00:48:33.000 That's a great bit.

00:48:35.000 It's a great bit.

00:48:36.000 Well, I mean, but in the case of Gaza, it's not even like there's not even a government.

00:48:42.000 I mean, there are stateless people who have been captive by the Israelis since 1967. And then they're captive politically in their own country by Hamas.

00:48:53.000 Right.

00:48:54.000 And then Hamas does do what this accusation is that they have their bases under schools and hospitals.

00:49:01.000 They actually do do that.

00:49:03.000 Yeah.

00:49:03.000 Yeah, I think it's certainly exaggerated at times by the Israelis, but there is no question that they are, look, they're in this, Gaza is, dude, it's five miles wide.

00:49:12.000 I know, it's crazy.

00:49:14.000 So little.

00:49:15.000 You could jog from one side to the other without taking a break.

00:49:18.000 It's literally way closer, way smaller than here to my club.

00:49:24.000 Now imagine that.

00:49:25.000 Imagine.

00:49:26.000 Imagine.

00:49:27.000 Like an extra 10 miles.

00:49:29.000 Yeah.

00:49:29.000 That small tract of land in the last five miles is what's getting the fuck blown out of it.

00:49:35.000 It is.

00:49:35.000 It's, I think, 25 by 5. So it's like a marathon by a jog.

00:49:42.000 You know what I mean?

00:49:43.000 Like, that's how, that's Gaza.

00:49:44.000 It's so little.

00:49:45.000 No, look, so I'm just saying part of this, and this isn't, I'm not, like, making any excuses.

00:49:49.000 I mean, there's no question there have been incidents of Hamas, like, embedding themselves in civilian locations.

00:49:55.000 But also, it's not as if They have a military or a government.

00:50:00.000 It's not as if there's going to be two armies that meet themselves on the battlefield here.

00:50:05.000 Hamas is essentially a gang in an Israeli prison that rose up as the toughest gang there.

00:50:11.000 And yeah, in such a densely populated area, that's the way, as they call it, asymmetric warfare is going to work.

00:50:20.000 Look, man, I took issue with a few things that some of the guests you've had on recently have said.

00:50:27.000 I know, I think all of this, a lot of times it comes down to framing, like how you want to look at an issue, and particularly the people who are way behind Israel on this, I feel like always rely on this very strange framing, so they don't have to confront exactly what's going on,

00:50:42.000 and they can kind of look at it in more of an abstract, removed way.

00:50:46.000 Like when you had a, I'm sorry if I'm saying his name wrong, but Gad, how do you say his last name?

00:50:52.000 Saad.

00:50:53.000 I've read his stuff before, but I always butcher names.

00:50:57.000 But so one of the things he said, which I know I've heard this in every debate I've done on the topic so far, but he said the same thing Dennis Prager said to me when we debated, was he was like, well, look, if Israel laid down all their arms, there'd be a genocide.

00:51:09.000 If Hamas laid down all their arms, there'd be peace. 0.99

00:51:13.000 And forget the fact that I will say I don't agree with the second part of that.

00:51:17.000 I don't think that's clear at all.

00:51:18.000 I think if Hamas laid down all their arms, which essentially the Palestinians Are as close to have laid down all their arms as could be? 0.64

00:51:26.000 Isn't everyone looking at it too binary?

00:51:29.000 Even if you're supporting the Israelis, even if you're from that position, you have to acknowledge the attacks on AIDS workers. 0.76

00:51:39.000 Like it seems to be there's a bunch of targeted attacks on people bringing in food.

00:51:44.000 Like Jose Andres' people.

00:51:46.000 Yeah.

00:51:47.000 And then there's been more of those.

00:51:48.000 Like there's all these, I think, how many documented attacks are there on aid supply?

00:51:57.000 Because it's a big number.

00:51:58.000 There's been several, I know, for sure.

00:51:59.000 I think it's a big number.

00:52:01.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:52:01.000 No, I mean, it's been hard.

00:52:02.000 It's creepy.

00:52:03.000 Well, I remember when you had, um, anyway, just the point I was making about Gad's thing is that it's also this, like, I just hate when people retreat to almost these hypotheticals.

00:52:12.000 It reminds me of Sam Harris's argument about why you were really wrong with the, uh, at least eight times.

00:52:19.000 Eight times.

00:52:20.000 Yeah, that's a lot.

00:52:21.000 So eight times Israeli forces have attacked humanitarian aid convoys.

00:52:25.000 And buildings in the Gaza Strip at least eight times since October, despite being given coordinates to ensure their protection, Human Rights Watch has set in a new report.

00:52:34.000 So they're targeting these people. 0.94

00:52:36.000 So you've got some members of the Israeli military that don't give a fuck, and they want to stop these people from getting food. 0.99

00:52:44.000 And, well, look, and this has kind of been, like, egged on. 0.99

00:52:47.000 Look, there'll be so much, like, scrutiny over, like, some college kids chanting, from the river to the sea.

00:52:53.000 And look, But for the record, if I was in charge of those protests, I'd say stop chanting that.

00:52:58.000 Because even if you don't mean it that way, which some people will argue they don't, and that's fine.

00:53:05.000 Maybe that's not what you mean.

00:53:06.000 Maybe you mean is from the river to the sea, everyone will be free and whatever.

00:53:11.000 Maybe that's how you mean it.

00:53:12.000 But it's also the same thing Hamas chants, and they clearly mean something else when they say that.

00:53:16.000 So, like, maybe just use a different term.

00:53:17.000 Right.

00:53:17.000 You can't use a swastika for its old-timey use.

00:53:20.000 Right.

00:53:21.000 Like, if nothing else, it's a bad idea. 0.93

00:53:23.000 However, for all the scrutiny there'll be over what these 20-year-olds are hollering at Columbia, when Benjamin Netanyahu is saying they're Amalek, As you're going into this area, which, you know, the story from the Bible is that you're supposed to kill the women and the children. 0.97

00:53:37.000 And the story is that they fucked up by not killing all the women and the children. 0.98

00:53:40.000 And then, like, they came back. 0.97

00:53:43.000 Now, even if you could argue he doesn't mean it that way, it's like, okay, but you're saying that— The story from the Bible?

00:54:10.000 The ICJ basically said that Israel is plausibly committing a genocide.

00:54:15.000 They haven't yet determined that it is or isn't, but they said it's plausible.

00:54:22.000 But anyway, my point that I'm making about what Saad was saying is that it reminds me of Sam Harris, where he sits here and he goes, well, imagine this hypothetical.

00:54:31.000 Imagine COVID was 100 times as deadly and the vaccine was perfect against stopping transmission and there were no vaccine injuries.

00:54:38.000 Well, hey.

00:54:40.000 Now, you don't look so good anymore, do you, Joe Rogan?

00:54:42.000 No, he wasn't saying that.

00:54:44.000 He was saying you could, when someone's saying you could never mandate a vaccine or argue for a mandate, and he was saying if there was a vaccine, you could, he was making an intellectual argument, he's correct, that you could argue that if there was a vaccine that had zero side effects and was 100% effective,

00:55:05.000 and if everybody took it, the disease stops.

00:55:08.000 You could make that argument.

00:55:09.000 Well, what he was saying was that then how would we feel about what Joe Rogan is saying and what RFK is saying when they were, you know what I mean?

00:55:18.000 But the point is that that's not the hypothetical.

00:55:21.000 Not only that, it doesn't exist in nature.

00:55:24.000 Right, right.

00:55:25.000 There's no vaccines that are 100% safe with no side effects.

00:55:28.000 None of them.

00:55:28.000 I'm just saying I'm not against engaging in a thought experiment to think about, like, what that scenario would look like.

00:55:34.000 But at the same time, you're like, it does seem like that's serving in this case as a distraction from the real world scenario that's going on here.

00:55:42.000 So, like, if you're going to say if Israel, like, yes, I would not recommend... 0.91

00:55:47.000 Israel lay down all of their arms, completely disarm themselves, and then open up the wall to Gaza and allow Hamas to come in. 0.95

00:55:56.000 But that's not on the table.

00:55:57.000 That's never going to happen.

00:55:59.000 So, like, even thinking about that as a thought experiment doesn't really prove that much.

00:56:03.000 What's actually going on here is, like...

00:56:07.000 What Israel is doing to Gaza.

00:56:09.000 Right, but if you could flip it around, the opposite would be true. 0.99

00:56:14.000 Like, if Hamas did lay down all their weapons, and if they did completely give up, You're going to have some Israeli soldiers that do not give a fuck that still want to shoot them. 0.92

00:56:26.000 But for the most part, if there was nothing, if they completely gave up, which is also not going to happen, but if that did happen, you couldn't see a situation where Israel just continues bombing. 0.92

00:56:37.000 Maybe not, but then what do they go to?

00:56:40.000 Just being subjugated by the Israelis? 0.99

00:56:41.000 Back to the status quo of just being a stateless people of permanent refugees with no natural rights whatsoever, no ability to trade with the world, no ability to come and leave. 1.00

00:56:52.000 You can't have an airport.

00:56:53.000 You can't have a seaport.

00:56:54.000 You can't go out fishing past where some IDF guy decides you're not allowed to.

00:56:58.000 So, like, yeah, if Hamas laid down all their arms, perhaps Israel would stop the bombing campaign, and they would just continue... 0.62

00:57:05.000 Subjugation forever, which has been the Likud Party official policy since they were created by the terrorist Menachem Begin.

00:57:14.000 Like, literally since this party, that is the ruling party in Israel, was created, their goal has been that the Palestinian people never get their own state, they never get their own freedom, and that's resulted in this.

00:57:27.000 And if you don't give them their own freedom, there's no way you can justify it.

00:57:30.000 No way you can justify that a whole entire group of people...

00:57:34.000 Never get to be a country.

00:57:36.000 They don't get the rights of the Israelis. 1.00

00:57:40.000 They don't get the rights of a sovereign country.

00:57:43.000 They're trapped.

00:57:44.000 Nothing.

00:57:45.000 Literally no rights whatsoever.

00:57:46.000 That's kind of crazy that that's being done by Israel, if you really think about it.

00:57:51.000 It's kind of crazy.

00:57:52.000 Well, in a way it is, and then in another way, it's kind of not.

00:57:56.000 It's kind of like, there's this weird, you know, hurt people hurt people type thing.

00:58:00.000 Like, when you kind of suffer this trauma, and we're speaking collectively here, so it's not exactly the same as an individual, but like, you suffer this trauma, and then you use that to justify doing whatever the hell you gotta do so that you never suffer that trauma again.

00:58:13.000 And then you weirdly end up kind of like inflicting something on another group of people and kind of in a weird way holding them responsible for the trauma you suffered even though they really, really had very little, nothing to do with the actual trauma.

00:58:27.000 It's really an ancient kind of conflict.

00:58:30.000 The Israel-Palestine is very ancient in the fact that it's like the hate between them is so strong and they're right next door to each other, which is how people used to rock it back in the day. 0.97

00:58:44.000 That was the fear of neighboring tribes, that people from the other side were going to come over and rape the women and children and kill your babies and slaughter the men.

00:58:54.000 And not like an irrational fear, like a fear based on this really happens, you know what I mean? 0.98

00:58:58.000 And it's happening in Israel.

00:59:00.000 I mean, that's what's crazy.

00:59:01.000 The other thing, though, is that, and that's all true, but the other thing is that, you know, there are these examples, right, like where there's Ireland and England, and they're right next to each other, and, like, things are just cool now.

00:59:12.000 And France and Germany are right next to each other, and they're just cool now.

00:59:15.000 Yeah, but Ireland and Northern Ireland were at war with each other forever.

00:59:19.000 No, but I'm just making the point that, and then it's over.

00:59:21.000 And now they're not at war anymore.

00:59:22.000 And, like, Egypt went to war with Israel four times.

00:59:29.000 Between 1948, 56, 67, and 72 or 73. Did I say that wrong?

00:59:35.000 Was Ireland at war with Northern Ireland?

00:59:37.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:59:38.000 Southern Ireland was at war.

00:59:39.000 Well, they were the British controlled.

00:59:41.000 Right.

00:59:42.000 But it was really England.

00:59:44.000 Yes, yeah, yeah.

00:59:45.000 It was by proxy England basically dominating the Irish.

00:59:48.000 And then by the way, the Irish turned to terrorism when they were being dominated by the English.

00:59:53.000 Shocker.

00:59:53.000 Yeah, which is another thing that people...

00:59:55.000 Another real interesting...

00:59:57.000 That's how you have to do it.

00:59:57.000 It's the only way to go to war.

00:59:59.000 Well, look...

00:59:59.000 If you have a smaller army and they have all the money, you've got to figure out a way to get them.

01:00:04.000 Well, here's the craziest part of this, right?

01:00:06.000 Is that...

01:00:07.000 And we talked a bunch about the history of this last time I was on, but I don't think I mentioned this.

01:00:10.000 Maybe I did.

01:00:11.000 But...

01:00:12.000 The craziest part of all of it is that the Israelis, I shouldn't say the Israelis, the Israelis five seconds before they became Israelis, like right before the creation of the State of Israel, they embraced terrorism. 0.94

01:00:25.000 And by the way, these terrorists who were the leaders of these terrorist organizations, like Menachem Begin and Yisak Shamir, they went on to be prime ministers of Israel, but they were terrorists.

01:00:37.000 And I'm not like, I don't mean this as a pejorative, like self-described, like they embraced terrorism.

01:00:42.000 What was their organization called?

01:00:44.000 Menachem Begin was the Ergon. 0.79

01:00:48.000 That was his militia.

01:00:49.000 And then there was Lehi or the Stern gang.

01:00:53.000 And then there was the Haganah, who was like the biggest one. 0.99

01:00:56.000 And they were not quite as terroristic, but they also were involved in a bunch of it.

01:01:01.000 And their justification for it was to drive out the occupying force, which was the British at the time.

01:01:09.000 After World War II, the Zionists who were in Palestine had enough of the British occupying the area, and they were very angry because they had limited Jewish migration during the run-up to the Holocaust.

01:01:23.000 So they had a real beef with the British at this point, even though the British had kind of allowed them to... 0.57

01:01:30.000 Have a chance to establish a Jewish homeland there.

01:01:32.000 But so they embraced terrorism to drive them out.

01:01:35.000 You can go look up the King David Hotel.

01:01:37.000 Killed a whole bunch of innocent people, including Jews, in the hotel because they just wanted to use terrorism to drive out an occupying force. 0.84

01:01:45.000 And they actually introduced terrorism into that region. 0.52

01:01:49.000 And many of the same tactics that the Palestinians went on to embrace were stuff that they picked up from the Jewish terrorists at that time. 0.56

01:01:56.000 But then the same Israelis will turn around and be like, well, I don't know why these Palestinians have embraced terrorism. 0.98

01:02:02.000 And, like, they're telling you it's for the same reason.

01:02:04.000 It's to drive out an occupying force.

01:02:05.000 Now, of course, the major difference there is that Israelis came to stay, whereas the British were there. 0.89

01:02:13.000 You know, they had their—this was a satellite.

01:02:15.000 They had their home country back in Europe, and they could be driven out.

01:02:18.000 It's a whole different thing to try to drive someone out who's like, no, we're setting up our homes here.

01:02:23.000 But— And there's more of us.

01:02:25.000 Yeah, well, not that much.

01:02:27.000 I mean, there's Palestinians and Israelis pretty close, if you count all of them.

01:02:33.000 Well, you're also backed by America.

01:02:36.000 Well, that's the major difference.

01:02:37.000 But that's basically my essential argument is that America shouldn't be playing this role.

01:02:43.000 This is being argued out now.

01:02:46.000 This is a big point of contention now politically, right?

01:02:51.000 Because the Biden administration is not giving the same amount of support to Israel that it was...

01:02:56.000 They've been giving, basically, I mean, what's really going on is that Joe Biden, this is a disaster politically for Joe Biden, and something like, looking at the polls recently, 50% of his base?

01:03:07.000 I think you and I have different Twitter followers.

01:03:10.000 I mean, my Twitter feed seems like he's doing a great job.

01:03:15.000 Really?

01:03:15.000 Yeah.

01:03:15.000 He's doing excellent.

01:03:17.000 He's totally got it down.

01:03:17.000 There's a lot of people that are arguing that.

01:03:19.000 Did I send you...

01:03:20.000 The creation of jobs.

01:03:21.000 I sent you his latest clip from a speech that said, New Biden just dropped.

01:03:26.000 And it's the newest...

01:03:27.000 Yes.

01:03:27.000 The newest one he goes...

01:03:28.000 And by the way, it's not...

01:03:29.000 He meant to say, I think, financial crash, but he said pandemic.

01:03:33.000 But he said during the pandemic when he was vice president, Barack Obama sent him to Detroit.

01:03:37.000 And you're just like, dude, what?

01:03:39.000 Why did he send him to Detroit?

01:03:41.000 Why would they send you to Detroit to deal with COVID? Now, I saw someone saying that perhaps it was the H1N1 pandemic, which did happen during the Biden administration or during the Obama administration when he was vice president.

01:03:54.000 I don't think I don't think I think he was talking about he would have probably said a previous pandemic yeah 2009 he's out of his fucking mind if it wasn't if it was occasional people would let this stuff go yeah but anyway just to that look I also thought,

01:04:11.000 because some of these guys, by the way, you've had on your show, like, I like them.

01:04:13.000 I'm not even like, you know, like Coleman Hughes.

01:04:15.000 I don't know him personally, but I like him.

01:04:17.000 He's great.

01:04:18.000 He seems really smart, and I haven't read his book, but I bet I would love it.

01:04:21.000 Well, you two together would be a fascinating conversation just about the Israel-Palestine conflict.

01:04:27.000 Yeah.

01:04:27.000 Well, I would love to have a – because I think he's a good faith guy and I think – and he's very smart.

01:04:32.000 But he also kind of – there were two things that kind of rubbed me the wrong way when he was on the show.

01:04:38.000 Number one was that he started by kind of getting into this argument about – which I see a lot of people who are supporting this conflict doing – Okay, well, here are the number of total civilians dead, and here are the number of Hamas militants dead, and let's look at that ratio,

01:04:54.000 and then is that ratio that far off from what you find in a typical war?

01:05:00.000 And there's a few problems with this.

01:05:02.000 Number one, The numbers are totally unreliable.

01:05:05.000 On both sides, right? 0.99

01:05:27.000 The Israeli government talking about the number of Hamas militants they've killed seems to be them just pulling numbers out of their ass. 0.99

01:05:33.000 Like, they dropped these bombs. 0.99

01:05:34.000 They don't know how many, who got who, and who was a part of— Are they going in there and checking dog tags?

01:05:38.000 Yeah, they're not.

01:05:39.000 You know what I mean?

01:05:40.000 But anyway, even if the numbers were right, it's like— Look, dude, if you look at the population density, and you just look at the number of bombs that Israel has dropped, and you just see a lot of the footage that we've seen, and you just listen to stories that doctors are telling.

01:05:55.000 I literally just saw an interview a couple weeks ago with a doctor who just got back from Gaza, and he was talking about how they have a major anesthesia shortage.

01:06:05.000 So just think about the implications of that, like what that means.

01:06:08.000 It means they're operating on kids without anesthesia, you know what I mean?

01:06:12.000 So the point is that if you're talking about, okay, well this many Hamas people are dying compared to this many innocent babies are dying, That's not the question. 0.59

01:06:22.000 When you're inflicting this level of human suffering on people, the question for any decent civilized person is, is this absolutely necessary?

01:06:32.000 Is this the only way to do it?

01:06:33.000 Is there any other option besides doing this?

01:06:36.000 And as soon as you frame the question that way, you realize that, oh yeah, there actually is.

01:06:41.000 And that it's not true that Israel...

01:06:44.000 There will just be October 7th after October 7th if Israel stops doing this. 0.67

01:06:48.000 The fact is that...

01:06:50.000 Of course, Netanyahu's never allowed a real investigation into October 7th to happen.

01:06:54.000 But everybody pretty much concludes that Israel dropped the ball in a massive way, in a massive way, that their security was just in shambles, and all they really needed to do was not rely so much on these, you know, machine gun robots and have actual soldiers at the border.

01:07:10.000 They could easily just stop this right now.

01:07:13.000 Well, wasn't there an issue of protests where the soldiers were allocated towards...

01:07:16.000 Yes.

01:07:17.000 Basically, they had—so, I think as a result of the protests against Netanyahu, he had started to ally with some even further right-wing groups than he normally would have, and to appease them, he was pulling soldiers off of the Gaza border and putting them over toward the West Bank,

01:07:37.000 which is what the religious Jews on the right really care about.

01:07:40.000 And yes, they basically got caught with their pants down.

01:07:43.000 But I'm just saying, they could just stop doing this.

01:07:46.000 It's not they all die or they keep doing this.

01:07:49.000 They could stop, and Israel can still protect itself. 0.64

01:07:52.000 In fact, I'd argue their security would be enhanced if they stopped doing this.

01:07:57.000 But the other thing, which you brought up to Coleman Hughes, was that you mentioned to him, you said, what about, didn't Israel prop up Hamas?

01:08:09.000 Wasn't that part of their strategy for a while?

01:08:11.000 And he...

01:08:15.000 I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, and maybe he just doesn't know about that detail of this as much, because if not, he was kind of being dishonest.

01:08:24.000 But maybe he just wasn't familiar with all of this stuff.

01:08:28.000 But he kind of went, you said that, and then he kind of dismissed it by saying, well, there's a quote that's attributed to Netanyahu, but it wasn't on videotape.

01:08:39.000 Essentially being like, we don't really know if Netanyahu said this or not.

01:08:42.000 And then just kind of moved on to the conversation away from that.

01:08:45.000 But I find this, I found this in all of my debates that I've done on this, and I've done like eight debates on this since the war broke out.

01:08:51.000 Everybody on the pro-Israeli side does not want to grapple with that point because it really is like a, it's a narrative shattering point once you acknowledge it.

01:09:01.000 Right, but if it isn't on videotape, he has a point as well.

01:09:05.000 Well, here, well, let me, okay, so here's the deal, right?

01:09:07.000 So the quote that he's referring to was a quote by Benjamin Netanyahu.

01:09:12.000 It was something along the lines of, anybody who wants to thwart the Palestinians having their own state needs to support propping up Hamas, bolstering Hamas, transferring money to them. 0.75

01:09:22.000 So there was a quote like this.

01:09:23.000 So Hamas maintains power.

01:09:24.000 Right.

01:09:25.000 So Hamas maintains power so that we never have to give them a state because we can look to the international community.

01:09:30.000 We can look to liberal Jews in Israel and say, look, we have no partner for peace. 0.99

01:09:34.000 They're a crazy terrorist group. 0.99

01:09:35.000 So we never have to make a deal.

01:09:37.000 We don't have to Fulfill our promise and that we would give this attributed to him so basically this quote particularly Okay, this was at a closed-door meeting with the Likud party So this is Benjamin Netanyahu's political party his far-right party that's in power right now in Israel So it's true that this was a closed-door meeting and that it's not on tape So what happened is,

01:09:58.000 as far as I could tell, the first person who reported this, I believe, was a lady who's a reporter for the Jerusalem Post.

01:10:06.000 And then it's been run in a bunch of other newspapers since then.

01:10:09.000 So basically what happened is, an eyewitness...

01:10:13.000 We're good to go.

01:10:38.000 Take that for what it's worth.

01:10:40.000 I think that's reasonably strong, that three eyewitnesses all in his political party.

01:10:44.000 As long as they weren't trying to get rid of him.

01:10:46.000 Because you can get more than three people to say that Donald Trump was in collusion with Russia.

01:10:50.000 Sure.

01:10:51.000 So even say if you don't trust them.

01:10:54.000 Coleman acted as if that's what the entire case is built off of, which is just not true at all.

01:10:59.000 It's not just this one Benjamin Netanyahu quote.

01:11:02.000 It's dozens and dozens of quotes from Israeli leaders all throughout the political spectrum.

01:11:08.000 There's been reporting on this done by almost every major Israeli newspaper.

01:11:13.000 Haaretz, Times of Israel.

01:11:15.000 The Times of Israel on October 8th had a piece by Tal Schneider, which was how Bin Laden, excuse me, How Netanyahu's support for Hamas just blew up in his face.

01:11:26.000 It was the next day.

01:11:27.000 And because even critics like Ehud Barak, who was the former prime minister, he's a labor party.

01:11:33.000 He's a critic of Benjamin Netanyahu.

01:11:35.000 So he was a critic of this plan to prop up Hamas.

01:11:38.000 But it's totally uncontroversial that this was their plan.

01:11:41.000 The New York Times just ran a piece, I think it was late last year, It might have been early this year, where they talked about how two weeks before October 7th, Benjamin Netanyahu sent the head of the Mossad to Qatar because funds going into Hamas had slowed down.

01:12:03.000 And he sent them in there to make sure the funds continued.

01:12:06.000 The case for this is overwhelming.

01:12:09.000 It's not like relying on one...

01:12:11.000 Yeah, here you go.

01:12:14.000 Yeah, for years the Qatari government had been, am I saying that right?

01:12:18.000 Is that how you say it?

01:12:18.000 Qatari, I think is correct.

01:12:20.000 Yeah, the Qatari government had been sending millions of dollars a month to Gaza's trip, money that helped prop up the Hamas government there.

01:12:26.000 Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel not only tolerated those payments, he had encouraged them.

01:12:33.000 According to Times, Israeli intelligence agents traveled to Gaza With a Qatari official carrying suitcases filled with cash, suitcases, like a mafia movie, to disperse money.

01:12:46.000 Retired Israeli General Shlomo Brahm described the logic of Netanyahu's position.

01:12:51.000 One effective way to present a two-state solution is to divide...

01:12:54.000 Prevent.

01:12:55.000 Prevent.

01:12:56.000 Prevent a two-state solution is to divide between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank.

01:13:01.000 If the extremist Hamas ruled Gaza, then the Palestinian Authority, a compromise, comprador, comprador government?

01:13:09.000 Is that how you say it?

01:13:11.000 Comprador?

01:13:11.000 I don't even know what that is.

01:13:12.000 Comprador government with a tenuous hold on the West Bank would be further weakened.

01:13:16.000 This, according to Brahm, would allow Netanyahu to say, I have no partner.

01:13:20.000 And so that's, okay, so that's essentially the point there, right?

01:13:23.000 So that's a strategy.

01:13:23.000 That he can say, I have no partner for peace, which is the Israeli line that they like to use.

01:13:28.000 So basically, Okay, in 1979, the Egyptians and the Israelis met at Camp David, and that's when they worked out their peace.

01:13:36.000 Now, their peace also just involved, basically, that the US would pay them both off.

01:13:40.000 We'd give them both $3 billion a year in perpetuity if they stopped going to war with each other, basically.

01:13:46.000 And part of that was that Israel promised that they would eventually Give the Palestinians a state.

01:13:54.000 Like, it was recognized by D.C. at the time, this Jimmy Carter, that, like, you gotta give them a state, because otherwise this fighting's gonna continue on and on and on forever.

01:14:02.000 So they promised that.

01:14:03.000 Eventually they would give it to them.

01:14:04.000 This is the Yasser Arafat days. 0.74

01:14:06.000 This is before Yasser Arafat was, like, the guy.

01:14:10.000 But he was alive.

01:14:12.000 But then, in the 80s, Yasser Arafat basically rejected terrorism.

01:14:19.000 He had been He was involved in terrorism before that.

01:14:22.000 He rejected terrorism and he recognized Israel.

01:14:24.000 I think it was in 1988. He recognized Israel's right to exist under 1967 borders.

01:14:29.000 So basically, Israel has the right to exist, but we have the right to Gaza and the West Bank. 0.82

01:14:35.000 The ultimate of compromises from the Palestinian perspective. 0.54

01:14:39.000 Because, you know, a lot of their more hardcore guys are like, no, all of this was ours.

01:14:43.000 We shouldn't have lost any of it.

01:14:45.000 And now, even the original U.S. partition plan, which was rejected by the Arabs... 0.92

01:14:51.000 I think?

01:15:11.000 They're talking about 78% versus 22%.

01:15:14.000 So they're accepting 22%.

01:15:16.000 And so that's Yasser Arafat in the late 80s.

01:15:19.000 And then this is what set the stage for the Oslo Accords in the early 90s.

01:15:28.000 Yitzhak Rabin and Yasser Arafat over and they shake hands and they sign these deals.

01:15:32.000 And the promise again from Israel was that we're starting the peace process to eventually give the Palestinians their state. 0.74

01:15:41.000 This is the process.

01:15:42.000 And there were steps along this process.

01:15:43.000 Okay?

01:15:44.000 Now, in 1996, Benjamin Netanyahu becomes prime minister.

01:15:51.000 Now, the same year in 1996, there's this letter, you can find this on the internet, it's called, A Clean Break, A New Strategy for Securing the Realm.

01:16:00.000 And it was written by Richard Perle and David Wormser and a couple other people, of course, Richard Perle and David Wormser, We're good to go.

01:16:36.000 We need a clean break from that strategy.

01:16:39.000 And we're going to have a whole new strategy.

01:16:41.000 And what it's going to involve is you making agreements with the broader Arab world so that you don't have to make this agreement with the Palestinians. 0.87

01:16:50.000 You see, the old way of thinking was always that Israel will never be able to make peace with the broader Muslim world because they're furious about what you're doing to the Palestinians.

01:17:00.000 But the clean break strategy was like, no, no, no.

01:17:03.000 You're going to...

01:17:04.000 Embark on what ultimately became the Netanyahu doctrine, that we'll make deals with the rest of the Arab world, so we don't have to give up this land.

01:17:13.000 And you know what they recommended?

01:17:14.000 These two neoconservatives in 1996, and I bet you'll never guess this, Joe, regime change in Iraq.

01:17:21.000 For the security of Israel.

01:17:22.000 That was in 1996. And these people got in George W. Bush's government.

01:17:27.000 And after 9-11, those same people decided that they believed that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and that he was involved in 9-11.

01:17:37.000 Yeah, so there it is.

01:17:39.000 Israel can shape its strategic environment in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. 0.75

01:17:46.000 This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq, an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right as a means of foiling Syria's regional ambitions. 0.76

01:17:57.000 And here's where it gets crazy.

01:18:03.000 How much of a...

01:18:05.000 What a great job the Mossad did in compromising people, by the way.

01:18:09.000 I mean, how much of an effect did that have in everything?

01:18:13.000 You know, you can go full Eddie Bravo and think everything that's happening is because of Epstein's island.

01:18:17.000 And I used to dismiss that a lot more easy than I do now.

01:18:23.000 Maybe not everything.

01:18:25.000 A lot.

01:18:26.000 But certainly some stuff.

01:18:27.000 Some things.

01:18:28.000 A few.

01:18:29.000 You will see this.

01:18:30.000 And I'm not saying that Epstein is the sole reason for this type of stuff.

01:18:34.000 There's several different reasons.

01:18:35.000 But you see this all over the political sphere.

01:18:38.000 And especially amongst conservative commentators.

01:18:44.000 Where as soon as Israel's mentioned...

01:18:47.000 Whatever their principles were that they were just rolling with are, like, gone.

01:18:52.000 Like, it's a totally different thing.

01:18:53.000 And I get that.

01:18:55.000 I get there's a reason for that, too.

01:18:57.000 Of course, like, what Jewish people have been through in the 20th century, in the 19th and 18th century, like, that plays a part in that, too.

01:19:07.000 But there's no question that...

01:19:09.000 Look, it's not just...

01:19:10.000 It's not just Epstein.

01:19:13.000 It's also, and I highly recommend people read, John Mearsheimer has a great book called The Israeli Lobby.

01:19:19.000 There's also this lobby, APEC, which is a very, very powerful lobby.

01:19:23.000 The truth is that every U.S. president since, with perhaps the exception of Trump, I'm actually not sure about that, but every U.S. president since Jimmy Carter, I know for sure, excluding Trump, every one of them wanted a two-state solution.

01:19:39.000 Every single one of them.

01:19:40.000 None of them were able to get it done, even though we bankroll Israel.

01:19:45.000 You'd think it'd be fairly easy for us to, like, put pressure on the country that's relying on us.

01:19:49.000 Like, okay, we'll keep supporting you, but you gotta do this.

01:19:52.000 Nope.

01:19:53.000 Even when they go over and say, we wanna do this, they're not able to do that.

01:19:57.000 And part of that is because of the lobby.

01:20:01.000 Part of that is because there's, like, tens of millions of evangelical Christians in this country who believe that That the Jews have to control Israel, like in some religious view that Jesus can't come back unless the Jews control him or something like that.

01:20:14.000 I don't exactly understand it.

01:20:16.000 They go there on tour.

01:20:17.000 They have no tours to go there.

01:20:19.000 Well, and they also, and the Israeli government's well aware of that, and they're well aware of how much they benefit from that, so they do everything they can to facilitate that belief.

01:20:27.000 White dudes with golf shirts.

01:20:28.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:20:30.000 They're a big force.

01:20:30.000 They're a really big block in this country.

01:20:32.000 There's not like a few dozen of them.

01:20:33.000 They're willing to throw some real money at bringing Jesus back.

01:20:37.000 Yes, that's a very big deal to them.

01:20:40.000 But look, all of these US presidents, they've wanted an outcome that they're unable to get.

01:20:47.000 And you can look, there's this one video of Benjamin Netanyahu where he doesn't know he's being recorded and he's speaking openly about this.

01:20:57.000 So he openly starts bragging about how he basically blew up the peace process.

01:21:04.000 Is this a recording of this?

01:21:05.000 I mean, it's in Hebrew, but it's translated.

01:21:08.000 And it's legit.

01:21:09.000 It's been translated by a whole bunch of different people.

01:21:12.000 And he's bragging about how he put all of these poison pills into the peace agreement.

01:21:17.000 He was like, oh yeah, sure, we'll...

01:21:19.000 I agreed to grant them a state, but only after it was determined that Israel could control important military areas.

01:21:30.000 And then he was like, I also snuck it in that only Israel gets to define what the military important areas are.

01:21:36.000 I think?

01:21:57.000 It's that, so in 2002, Benjamin Netanyahu comes and testifies before Congress as a regional expert, and he testifies that like, oh yeah, if you guys overthrow Saddam Hussein, democracy will sweep the region.

01:22:12.000 Let me tell you, I know something, because I know this region better than anyone else.

01:22:16.000 And at one point, Dennis Kucinich actually grilled him and got him on record, and he goes, is there anybody else that you're advocating that we preemptively attack?

01:22:24.000 And Netanyahu goes, yeah, Iran.

01:22:29.000 I don't hate Israel.

01:22:31.000 I think Israel is a cool country. 0.99

01:22:33.000 I think what they do to the Palestinians is fucked up and it's inexcusable and they should stop. 0.98

01:22:37.000 But I think Israel is a cool country. 0.99

01:22:39.000 There's a lot of great things about them.

01:22:43.000 I think?

01:23:01.000 The policies that they're enacting, and yet they still get all of this support.

01:23:05.000 Even now, you know, Joe Biden doesn't know what he's saying because he's got dementia, but there's people in his ear who are telling him to, like, say, don't invade Rafa.

01:23:13.000 And he's like, don't invade Rafa.

01:23:14.000 And then Benjamin Netanyahu's like, OK, we're going to invade Rafa.

01:23:17.000 And it's just like, OK, well, fine, fine.

01:23:19.000 If we have no influence over what you're going to do and you'll just wag the middle finger at us and brag about how you tricked Bill Clinton and defy what our presidents want you to do, like, OK, fine.

01:23:29.000 But then you don't get our money and our weapons, right?

01:23:32.000 Like isn't that reasonable?

01:23:33.000 It is reasonable, but it's also the left is very confused on this one.

01:23:38.000 This is a baffling one for the left.

01:23:40.000 Yeah, they sure are.

01:23:42.000 Because support of Israel has always been a position of people on the left, right?

01:23:47.000 Supportive Jewish people.

01:23:48.000 And to not want that is kind of anti-Semitic.

01:23:51.000 Well, look, on the hard left, there's always been a bunch of people who are sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinians, right?

01:23:58.000 For sure.

01:23:59.000 Well, the people that have seen Abby Martin's take on it.

01:24:03.000 Yeah.

01:24:03.000 But Abby Martin also follows in a tradition of left-wing thought, like Noam Chomsky and people like this, who have always been very critical of the Israeli government's treatment of the Palestinians.

01:24:13.000 Yes.

01:24:15.000 But this is where it gets weird.

01:24:17.000 It's like the support of Israel when Israel was attacked.

01:24:21.000 So that's when everything gets crazy.

01:24:24.000 It's not support of Israel before October 7th.

01:24:27.000 It's post October 7th.

01:24:28.000 So now you have hardcore lefties who are now they're like the majority of young people now.

01:24:35.000 It's a big thing in this country.

01:24:36.000 In universities, it's crazy.

01:24:38.000 I mean, they're going nuts.

01:24:39.000 They're attacking students.

01:24:41.000 They're attacking teachers.

01:24:43.000 People can't go to work.

01:24:45.000 They're being told if they support Israel, they can't be on campus.

01:24:50.000 It's just the whole thing.

01:24:53.000 It's very bad for the left in that regard because Jewish people traditionally vote left. 0.99

01:25:00.000 Oh, yeah.

01:25:01.000 Well, yeah, I mean the overwhelming majority, I think 85% of Jews are Democrats or something like that.

01:25:07.000 And, you know, obviously there's not full, like even today there was a news report of a huge government protest in Israel.

01:25:16.000 They're in the streets.

01:25:17.000 So it's not like this is a policy that's supported by the entire population.

01:25:22.000 Well, there's...

01:25:22.000 I mean, there was...

01:25:24.000 So basically, I think what really changed things...

01:25:27.000 During the 90s, there's no question, there was tremendous support for making a deal for a two-state solution, particularly amongst, like, liberal Israelis.

01:25:37.000 And there...

01:25:39.000 Basically, so Yitzhak Rabin got assassinated by a right-wing Israeli who was furious that he was a traitor for making a deal with the Palestinians.

01:25:48.000 And that took him out.

01:25:50.000 And then when Netanyahu came in, and then ultimately, I guess it was Sharon who was in the year 2000, and there was another meeting at Camp David where...

01:26:05.000 You know, what people will say, which is just not true, but what a lot of the people of the pro-Israeli side will say is that they offered them everything.

01:26:14.000 They offered the Palestinians everything they wanted, and they just turned it down. 0.98

01:26:18.000 And this is their...

01:26:19.000 It's all slogans.

01:26:20.000 It's like, they never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

01:26:23.000 But if you actually look into the details of all of it, even Shlomo Ben-Ami, who was the acting foreign minister at the time involved in these negotiations, I think?

01:26:49.000 I think?

01:27:11.000 Right.

01:27:34.000 Essentially, when you take away the dangling carrot in front of an oppressed people, you let them know that there's no hope.

01:27:47.000 I think?

01:28:06.000 That Donald Trump worked out in the Middle East, except the problem is that there was no war between any of the countries that he worked out these deals.

01:28:13.000 It was just kind of like normalizing relations between Israel and these other Arab countries around them.

01:28:20.000 But what was the reason why Relations weren't normalized.

01:28:23.000 It was because they were pissed off about Israel's treatment of the Palestinians.

01:28:26.000 So basically, Jared Kushner's brilliant idea, along with Netanyahu's, was that, oh, well, if we just bribe all of these countries with US taxpayer dollars or weapons, we can get them to look the other way. 0.50

01:28:39.000 And say, screw the Palestinians. 1.00

01:28:40.000 We'll make a deal with the US and with Israel. 0.99

01:28:42.000 So they did that.

01:28:44.000 And Netanyahu was bragging about this.

01:28:46.000 And Netanyahu, just a couple weeks before September 11th, right around the time that he sent the head of Mossad into Qatar to make sure the money kept going to Hamas, he went to the UN with a map.

01:28:56.000 Of Greater Israel, and it was all Israel. 0.98

01:28:59.000 Gaza, the West Bank, and what is Israel proper?

01:29:02.000 All Israel in his map. 0.92

01:29:04.000 Like, they were just bragging to them, like, haha, you guys lost.

01:29:07.000 You get nothing.

01:29:08.000 That's it.

01:29:09.000 Nothing.

01:29:10.000 This map of Greater Israel, this is something that he's proposing for the future?

01:29:14.000 This is, you know, as much as people will point to the Hamas founding charter, and it says from the river to the sea or whatever, and that's true, at least the original one, But that's in the Likud founding documents also.

01:29:26.000 In different words, but it's basically from the river to the sea will be all Israel, which is what it has been, you know, since 1967. And again, by the way, I'm not trying to make... 0.89

01:29:40.000 Showing up with a map, why would he have a map?

01:29:42.000 That sounds like a plot in a movie.

01:29:44.000 Sure does.

01:29:45.000 This is all of ours!

01:29:48.000 No deals! 0.99

01:29:50.000 Yeah, well, right, something like that.

01:29:51.000 It does, it sounds like a bad guy in a movie.

01:29:53.000 Well, look, I also don't want to...

01:29:56.000 Because there are people who also jump to other conspiracy theories that I don't think are right.

01:30:01.000 That, well, they'll say kind of like...

01:30:03.000 Like what one?

01:30:04.000 Well, because...

01:30:05.000 Okay, so because Netanyahu was supporting Hamas...

01:30:09.000 And because he was using them kind of as, you know what I mean?

01:30:12.000 Like, oh good, we'll keep these terrorists over here so that they're not linked up with the people in the West Bank over here.

01:30:18.000 And then I have no, I get a, you know, a certificate, I forget the exact phrase, but it was, I have a, I think he said at one point, I have a no partner for peace certificate signed by the president in both houses of Congress.

01:30:30.000 Because look, I don't have to ever do a two state deal.

01:30:33.000 But then people will jump to the next level, which is that like, oh, He won at October 7th.

01:30:39.000 There was a stand-down order.

01:30:41.000 This is why it took Israel so long. 0.96

01:30:43.000 Yeah, it's a black flag. 0.93

01:30:44.000 A false flag.

01:30:46.000 That I don't think is right.

01:30:48.000 At least I haven't seen convincing evidence that it is.

01:30:52.000 From everything I've read about it, it actually seems a lot more like, if you remember, I know we talked about the same thing on the podcast years ago when I was on, I think?

01:31:21.000 And we knew the weapons were getting into their hands.

01:31:24.000 But we thought, okay, that might put pressure on Assad to have to step down.

01:31:29.000 So, like, we could use this group in order to get the regime change that we wanted.

01:31:34.000 But then they turned around and invaded Iraq.

01:31:37.000 And, like, that wasn't part of the plan.

01:31:39.000 You know what I mean?

01:31:40.000 Like, they weren't supposed to do that.

01:31:41.000 Then we had to reinvade Iraq to get rid of ISIS. You know what I mean? 0.98

01:31:45.000 And so, if you remember, during that time, there was one point when Obama called ISIS JV. It was kind of like insulting them.

01:31:54.000 And you could kind of see where Obama was coming from.

01:31:57.000 He's like, I don't know.

01:31:58.000 I'm the commander-in-chief of the United States of America's military.

01:32:01.000 I'm worried about ISIS. These guys are nothing compared to the power that we have.

01:32:06.000 And there's a lot of people at the highest level of the Israeli government who spoke exactly the same way about Hamas.

01:32:13.000 That's the Benjamin Netanyahu quote that he says, we can control the height of the flame when he's talking about, you know, propping up Hamas. 0.70

01:32:21.000 He goes, don't worry, we can control what they're able to do and what they're not able to do.

01:32:25.000 These guys are nothing compared to our strength.

01:32:27.000 There was tremendous hubris in it.

01:32:29.000 Let's take a what if.

01:32:31.000 Sure.

01:32:31.000 What if they decided on a two-state solution as it currently stands and they just let the people run it however they want and Hamas takes over the whole Palestine.

01:32:42.000 If Palestine becomes a country controlled by Hamas and then they start doing trading with other countries and then they start acquiring weapons like real sophisticated weapons like Israel has where the Iron Dome is no longer successful. 0.81

01:32:54.000 Right, so this is kind of the counterfactual that a lot of Israelis will rely on to say, well, look, we can't give them their own state, because what if, when they get their own state, they decide to do this with it?

01:33:08.000 So, alright, there's an old Thomas Jefferson quote about slavery, and I'll butcher this, as I always do, but I like bringing it up.

01:33:18.000 But it's something along the lines of, he goes, we have the wolf by the ear, And we can neither afford to hold on to it, nor to safely let it go.

01:33:27.000 Whoa.

01:33:27.000 And essentially what he was saying was, like, this was a major concern of people, even people who were kind of sympathetic to the abolitionist cause, who were like, yeah, look, but we've, like, enslaved these people for so long.

01:33:39.000 So what are we going to do?

01:33:40.000 Free them and make them citizens who are allowed to get guns? 0.91

01:33:44.000 Like, they're going to be so furious at us, they're going to come kill all of us.

01:33:47.000 And you can kind of see...

01:33:49.000 Especially when there's way more of them.

01:33:51.000 Especially you have a plantation and how many slaves did you have? 0.62

01:33:54.000 Right, right, right.

01:33:54.000 In certain areas you might have had- And most people all get together and organize and get guns.

01:33:58.000 Yeah, so you could see where that could have been a realistic concern.

01:34:01.000 You could see where they have a really good point, too.

01:34:03.000 Right.

01:34:03.000 But at the same time- You know, the dude who whipped you lives in that big white house and now you've got a shotgun?

01:34:08.000 Yeah, so there's no question there is a concern about that.

01:34:10.000 However, I also think, looking back at it, most people in modern times would say- You gotta let them go.

01:34:15.000 Yeah, but you can't enslave people, man.

01:34:17.000 Guess what?

01:34:18.000 You shouldn't deserve that house in the first place.

01:34:20.000 And look, I also do think that... 1.00

01:34:23.000 You better get the fuck out of Dodge. 0.98

01:34:26.000 Well, the way Daryl Cooper says it, which I actually think is a reasonable way to put it, is he goes like, I heard someone ask him that question once, and he goes, okay, well, if that happened, then we're having a different conversation. 0.99

01:34:37.000 You know?

01:34:37.000 But that's not the conversation right now.

01:34:39.000 The conversation right now is about Israel dominating these people in perpetuity. 0.70

01:34:43.000 But I also do think that I don't...

01:34:46.000 Listen, I think that groups like Hamas get their strength from the fact that there are so many people who want to resist this total domination by the Israelis. 0.93

01:34:58.000 You know, it was General McChrystal... 0.98

01:35:01.000 He's not a libertarian dove like me, not like some comic idiot like me, who's just like, I'm against war. 0.97

01:35:07.000 General McChrystal, who was running the war in Afghanistan before he got caught saying bad things about Obama and got kicked out of there. 0.98

01:35:16.000 The Rolling Stone story.

01:35:17.000 Yeah, the Rolling Stone story.

01:35:18.000 Michael Hastings.

01:35:19.000 The late, great Michael Hastings.

01:35:22.000 Might have.

01:35:23.000 Yeah, I don't know about that.

01:35:25.000 But General McChrystal, this tough, hard-nosed general, he was the one who coined the term insurgent math.

01:35:31.000 And he said, what's 10 minus 2?

01:35:33.000 A lot of you might think it's 8, but the answer's 20. When we're talking about insurgents, 10 minus 2 equals 20. Because you kill two insurgents, and each one of them had brothers and uncles and nephews and friends, and now they all join up the resistance movement.

01:35:50.000 Right.

01:36:11.000 Doing what you're doing now is much more likely to increase Hamas or Hamas-like organizations.

01:36:18.000 Right.

01:36:19.000 So it's like credit card debt.

01:36:22.000 It's like basically they keep using their credit card and they're never going to be able to pay off the debt. 0.99

01:36:25.000 It just keeps rising and rising and rising and your monthly payments keep getting higher and higher and you're fucked. 1.00

01:36:31.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:36:32.000 But again, like I will say that the one nice example or the one silver lining to all of this is that there are so many examples throughout the world where things were so off.

01:36:44.000 I mean, you just never could have imagined that like Germany could live right there in Europe next to all these countries.

01:36:51.000 They just went to two world wars with each other.

01:36:53.000 You know what I mean?

01:36:53.000 But they do.

01:36:54.000 They travel by train to visit each other.

01:36:56.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:36:57.000 And everyone's friends.

01:36:58.000 Dude, I went last year and did stand-up.

01:37:02.000 I went to London, and then you get on a 45-minute flight.

01:37:07.000 And you go over to Ireland and you're just like, oh, you guys are right next to each other.

01:37:11.000 Everyone's just coming out to the shows and we're having fun and it's just cool.

01:37:14.000 And so there is something beautiful about that where in the moment it seems like this could never be solved.

01:37:21.000 But that's not necessarily true.

01:37:24.000 The truth is that most human beings are...

01:37:29.000 They're incentivized by wanting to live their life and wanting to take care of their family and wanting to...

01:37:34.000 You know what I mean?

01:37:35.000 And if given an option to do that rather than losing their sons in war, a lot of times they'll choose that.

01:37:43.000 But in order for that to happen, look, Israel has all of the power. 0.89

01:37:49.000 And the Palestinian people have virtually none. 1.00

01:37:52.000 The only thing they have the power to do is to, you know, I guess support these...

01:38:05.000 We're good to go.

01:38:18.000 Israel has all of the power. 0.97

01:38:20.000 And in order to get to that step, the ones with the power have to make some concessions.

01:38:26.000 And the only way to get there is for Israel to at least get back on some path toward like, hey, we are going to give you your sovereignty at some point. 0.90

01:38:36.000 There was some recent discussion of rebuilding Gaza where they were talking about what they could do for that area once they rebuild it.

01:38:47.000 What's the plan on that?

01:38:48.000 Well, there's been a lot of different, like, things floated out.

01:38:50.000 And, of course, Israel is always kind of talking out of both sides of their mouth.

01:38:54.000 So, like, on one moment, they'll be like, we just want Hamas. 0.87

01:38:58.000 We just have to get Hamas out of there. 1.00

01:39:00.000 And then they'll be like, well, we really do think that every country should take in a fair share of the Gazan people. 0.99

01:39:05.000 Like, they're floating out the idea of just cleansing the entire area.

01:39:08.000 I know that the UN, I think, recently said that it would take 80 years to rebuild...

01:39:15.000 Gaza? 0.52

01:39:16.000 I don't know if that...

01:39:17.000 I don't trust UN numbers exactly.

01:39:19.000 Rebuilding Gaza to cost 50 billion over two decades.

01:39:24.000 Well, someone just got paid.

01:39:27.000 Well, right, exactly.

01:39:28.000 So what's the real...

01:39:29.000 That's also a thing, right?

01:39:30.000 Rebuilding is very profitable.

01:39:32.000 Well, that's for sure, yeah.

01:39:33.000 Oh, there's money to be made in the destruction, there's money to be made in the rebuilding, and people will make that money.

01:39:38.000 But I think that the truth is that Israel has not at all laid out what the endgame of this is, other than this assertion that we must get rid of Hamas entirely, even though U.S. and Israeli intelligence have both said that that's impossible.

01:39:55.000 It's not an achievable task.

01:39:57.000 Hamas is popping back up in the areas that they've already leveled.

01:40:00.000 And they go into Rafa.

01:40:02.000 I'm sure they can kill some Hamas militants in there, but Hamas or Hamas-like groups are coming back.

01:40:09.000 How many do you think they've killed so far? 0.80

01:40:10.000 No idea.

01:40:11.000 And I don't think they know.

01:40:12.000 What are the numbers of Hamas that exist?

01:40:15.000 They've claimed that they've...

01:40:20.000 I saw at one point they said they've killed 8,000, then they said 10,000, then 14,000.

01:40:26.000 I don't know.

01:40:28.000 Honestly, I have no idea what the real number is, and I don't think the Israeli government knows, and I think probably the Gazan Health Ministry doesn't know either.

01:40:39.000 It's very difficult work to, while this is all going on, I think?

01:40:55.000 It's not like, okay, if you were, say, tracking in America, there was a big explosion, a bunch of people died, and you could look at DNA records and who was enlisted in the military, and you could just match them up against each other.

01:41:08.000 It's not scientific like that, or at least it's much more primitive than that.

01:41:12.000 So I really wouldn't venture to guess.

01:41:15.000 And I also don't know how accurate the numbers when they say 35,000 people have died.

01:41:22.000 It seems...

01:41:25.000 Within the realm of possibility.

01:41:27.000 There's a lot of people missing, right?

01:41:29.000 And that's part of the problem.

01:41:30.000 Yeah, well, they said the most recent figures that they put out, again, this is the Gaza Health Ministry, which is overseen by Hamas, so take that with a grain of salt or whatever.

01:41:39.000 But they said there's like, I think, 10,000 who they weren't able to identify.

01:41:44.000 Can you imagine the horror of just walking down those streets?

01:41:50.000 So if there are 10,000, how many of them can you smell?

01:41:54.000 I mean, you just look around, you just see wreckage, and you smell rotting bodies.

01:42:00.000 Oh, dude, and just the worst things in the world.

01:42:02.000 It must be insane.

01:42:03.000 It must be insane to live there before October 6th, when it was already prison, to see it now.

01:42:13.000 And it's continuing, right?

01:42:15.000 It's going on right now.

01:42:16.000 Oh, yeah.

01:42:17.000 Yeah.

01:42:17.000 No, and then imagine, like, imagine, you know, and there's constantly, like, the defenders of this military campaign will say, oh, they drop warning bombs, and they drop leaflets, and they tell you, no problem, just leave.

01:42:30.000 But you're talking about people who are, like, first of all, they live at least...

01:42:36.000 A large percentage of them live in a level of poverty that none of us have ever experienced.

01:42:42.000 Just telling people, just leave and head out to the, you know, and people almost have, like, in their mind that, like, what is there, like, some sophisticated refugee camp waiting for them with tents and water and food?

01:42:51.000 Like, no.

01:42:52.000 They're just telling them, like, go.

01:42:53.000 Go out into the desert.

01:42:54.000 Go out into this other place.

01:42:55.000 You have nothing.

01:42:56.000 It's not that easy.

01:42:57.000 Like, you might have little children with you or old people with you.

01:42:59.000 It's not that easy to just leave.

01:43:01.000 And then when they leave and they go into Rafa, which was supposed to be safe, they go, oh, yeah, now we're...

01:43:06.000 Now we're invading Rafa.

01:43:08.000 So leave again.

01:43:10.000 Where do you go exactly?

01:43:12.000 Who knows?

01:43:13.000 And again, like, look, dude, it's just, again, I just think that whenever you're talking about these things, when you're talking about, like, inflicting this level of human suffering on a group of people, Like, whoever's defending that man, the onus is on you to demonstrate that there's absolutely no other way to do it.

01:43:32.000 And the other reason why I bring up this point all the time about Israel propping up Hamas as this strategy is that doesn't that at least change the narrative?

01:43:41.000 Because if you just go, which a lot of people are, they'll just be like, well, look, look what happened on October 7th.

01:43:46.000 Look how horrible that is.

01:43:47.000 Nobody could stand for anybody doing that.

01:43:50.000 And therefore, Hamas has to go.

01:43:53.000 And so whatever happens in that process...

01:43:55.000 Hey, that's on Hamas. 0.78

01:43:58.000 I guess on some superficial level I can understand that.

01:44:01.000 But once you know that they were propping up Hamas specifically so that they wouldn't have to give the innocent Palestinians their own state, and now they get to use that group that they propped up as the excuse why they're allowed to just slaughter these people, that's just like, 0.80

01:44:16.000 that's a whole different level of... 0.99

01:44:19.000 That's just, no, that's fucked up, man. 0.95

01:44:21.000 That's just not, and all these terms get conflated. 0.98

01:44:24.000 They'll be like, doesn't Israel have the right to defend itself?

01:44:27.000 And you're like, yeah, but see, now you're like manipulating this idea of self-defense, which is a natural right.

01:44:33.000 You could argue the most natural human right is the right to, you know, the right to life and then the right to defend your life.

01:44:39.000 But the right to defense is like, so imagine like me and you were hanging out at your house and someone like broke into your house and Kills me and then points the gun at you and you grab your gun and you kill that guy.

01:44:54.000 You'd be like, well, yeah, you had the right to defend yourself.

01:44:57.000 You know what I mean?

01:44:58.000 He's on your property.

01:44:59.000 He broke into your property.

01:45:00.000 He just killed your friend.

01:45:02.000 He's trying to kill you and you're like, no, you have the right to defend yourself.

01:45:04.000 No question.

01:45:06.000 Or you could even argue, right?

01:45:07.000 Say like in the human shield example, he's holding a little baby as he's shooting at me and you shoot and you hit the baby and him.

01:45:14.000 You could say, hey, that...

01:45:15.000 That's horrible, but that was on him.

01:45:17.000 But now you're talking about like a guy breaks into your house, shoots and kills me, runs and leaves, retreats back to his house where you know his wife and his five kids are.

01:45:28.000 And so you blow up the house.

01:45:30.000 And you're like, well, look, I have a right to defend myself.

01:45:33.000 You're like, okay, but this is a slightly different concept than just like the right of self-defense as we all understand it.

01:45:41.000 This is more like the right to revenge, the right to justice, which, okay, I believe in justice, and I think all of the people involved in October 7th Should face justice for what they did.

01:45:52.000 Horrific terrorist attack.

01:45:53.000 But there's a very different question between, like, defending the country of Israel and enacting justice against those people if it means, like, babies get crushed to death in rubble and parents get killed in front of their children and all of the, you know,

01:46:09.000 horror that's been going on.

01:46:11.000 What do you think Hamas thought Israel was gonna do?

01:46:13.000 This.

01:46:14.000 I think this was the plan.

01:46:16.000 So you think they wanted Israel to do this?

01:46:19.000 Yeah.

01:46:19.000 I think Hamas doesn't care about Palestinian life.

01:46:25.000 I think the goal in asymmetric warfare is almost always to provoke an overreaction.

01:46:38.000 Out of your opponent, right?

01:46:40.000 So like, Osama Bin Laden never thought he could destroy America by taking down the Twin Towers, but he thought he could lure us into a war in Afghanistan that could bankrupt our country, just like he was trained by the CIA to do with the Soviet Union, right? 0.93

01:46:55.000 Like, that was kind of the plan.

01:46:56.000 And likewise, I think that Hamas...

01:47:00.000 We're good to go.

01:47:22.000 I don't think a lot of Israelis or pro-Israeli Americans have really grappled with this fact.

01:47:27.000 Like, you could get into the semantics of arguing whether this is a genocide or not a genocide, which I never get into.

01:47:33.000 By the way, I just don't care about, you know, whether you call it that term or call it a different term.

01:47:38.000 Whatever it is is real.

01:47:39.000 But the fact that the International Court of Justice ruled that this is a plausible genocide is so wild that they ruled that the Jewish state Is committing a genocide?

01:48:08.000 You know what I mean?

01:48:08.000 Like into the public mind and to some degree, you know, because there's a case to be made for it.

01:48:15.000 But Israel is really playing with fire here. 0.83

01:48:18.000 And I think they're in a more precarious position than they've ever been in my lifetime, for sure.

01:48:27.000 Jesus Christ.

01:48:29.000 What do you think happened to the Iranian dude?

01:48:33.000 I think that's just a crash in the fog.

01:48:35.000 I think so.

01:48:36.000 That is kind of my...

01:48:37.000 Of course, you always, in some weird, perverse way, want the more exciting story. 0.99

01:48:43.000 Hey, bro, don't fly in the fucking fog in a helicopter. 0.99

01:48:46.000 How about that? 0.99

01:48:47.000 Well, I asked a few of my real smart friends.

01:48:51.000 I was calling them a bad guy.

01:48:52.000 I called Scott Horton earlier today, and I was like, what do you think about this?

01:48:54.000 And he was like, eh, it does seem like bad weather.

01:48:56.000 And he was like, because they couldn't even recover it.

01:48:59.000 You know what I mean?

01:49:00.000 Because the weather was so bad.

01:49:01.000 And also, it's not...

01:49:03.000 Taking out the Iranian president doesn't really do anything anyway.

01:49:10.000 Ayatollah is who has control. 0.93

01:49:13.000 Yeah, they'll put another president in and it'll be the exact same thing.

01:49:16.000 And I just don't think...

01:49:18.000 My guess is that it was just bad weather.

01:49:21.000 But I'm totally open to...

01:49:22.000 There might be some evidence that comes out that it was something else. 0.99

01:49:25.000 It's always more fun to think it's some secret squirrel shit. 0.99

01:49:29.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.99

01:49:30.000 I think this one might have just been bad weather, though.

01:49:32.000 It turns out it's really not safe to fly a helicopter in bad weather. 0.97

01:49:35.000 No, it's fucking terrifying. 0.96

01:49:36.000 You can't see. 0.99

01:49:37.000 Fly right in the mountains.

01:49:39.000 Yeah, that's not good.

01:49:41.000 No, it's not good.

01:49:42.000 I don't know...

01:49:44.000 Do you fly on helicopters, Joe?

01:49:45.000 I have.

01:49:46.000 Yeah?

01:49:46.000 They don't make me feel good.

01:49:48.000 Yeah.

01:49:50.000 The people tell me they're fine.

01:49:52.000 They know how to do it.

01:49:53.000 They're safe.

01:49:54.000 They know how to auto-rotate on the way down.

01:49:55.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:49:57.000 Whatever, bro.

01:49:58.000 That thing seems weird.

01:50:00.000 I'm sure that's what they told the Iranian president.

01:50:02.000 Well, I mean, do they have helicopters that can operate through the clouds just like an airplane does?

01:50:08.000 Right?

01:50:09.000 Where they know exactly where they are at any given time?

01:50:11.000 I don't know.

01:50:12.000 I have no knowledge on this subject, but I just feel I've never been in a helicopter and I don't want to.

01:50:17.000 It doesn't seem like as sophisticated a method of flying.

01:50:21.000 I just feel like helicopter-less life has been going pretty good for me, and I'm just gonna keep riding down this path where you don't go on helicopters.

01:50:28.000 Burr has a license, and he took me up.

01:50:31.000 Really?

01:50:31.000 Yeah.

01:50:32.000 Yeah, Bill Burr.

01:50:33.000 He's really good.

01:50:33.000 Really good at flying helicopters.

01:50:35.000 One of the handful of times I've been in helicopters with him, we were flying around downtown LA. You can just fly around.

01:50:41.000 That's what's weird.

01:50:42.000 They don't tell you where you can go and not go.

01:50:43.000 I mean, I'm sure they do, but...

01:50:46.000 For the most part, once you say you're going to go to a specific area, you can just kind of fly around.

01:50:50.000 Really?

01:50:51.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's weird.

01:50:52.000 So you have a helicopter, because they're below the airplanes.

01:50:54.000 I don't know why I was already scared of the idea of flying in a helicopter, but flying in a helicopter that's being piloted by Bill Burr is just the scariest thing in the world to me.

01:51:03.000 Like, you just get pissed off at something in the middle of it, and he's like yelling, and you're like, dude!

01:51:07.000 Focus, man.

01:51:07.000 No, he's very focused when he flies a helicopter.

01:51:09.000 He's very, very serious about it.

01:51:11.000 But he took me around these buildings, and you're just flying around buildings in downtown LA. I'm like, this is crazy.

01:51:16.000 You just fly right by these skyscrapers.

01:51:19.000 I mean, that does sound cool.

01:51:20.000 It is cool.

01:51:21.000 But I don't want to do it.

01:51:22.000 It's kind of beautiful.

01:51:24.000 Like, you're just flying around.

01:51:25.000 And it's kind of leisurely, because they don't go that fast.

01:51:28.000 Right, right.

01:51:28.000 So it's like this leisurely flying around downtown.

01:51:31.000 I'm like, this is crazy.

01:51:31.000 And then you look at a lot of those buildings on downtown LA. They all have, like, helicopter landing pads on the roof.

01:51:36.000 Like, this is bonkers.

01:51:39.000 Yeah.

01:51:39.000 I mean, okay, I understand the appeal from him.

01:51:42.000 That does seem fun.

01:51:43.000 Yeah, it's fun.

01:51:43.000 But then, you know, you don't want to end up like this Iranian guy.

01:51:46.000 Yeah.

01:51:47.000 There's Bill.

01:51:48.000 There. 1.00

01:51:49.000 Fucking Bill Burr. 1.00

01:51:50.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:51:51.000 I'll fucking show you how to fly this helicopter with my fucking... 1.00

01:51:54.000 How dare you wear that paperboy hat when you made fun of me? 1.00

01:51:59.000 You made fun of me, famously said how the little rascal sat on it.

01:52:03.000 This is like right after that he went and bought the hat.

01:52:05.000 Yeah, it's a good look.

01:52:07.000 Yeah.

01:52:08.000 He's awesome.

01:52:09.000 Him and Tim Dillon are the very best at ranting by themselves on a podcast.

01:52:13.000 They're the only podcast that I listen to where a guy just goes off 100% by himself.

01:52:19.000 Bill really by himself.

01:52:21.000 Tim Dillon has a producer that's like a built-in one-man audience.

01:52:25.000 Right, who he kind of plays off of him.

01:52:27.000 Yeah, and he's great, but he's...

01:52:30.000 Even one person is enough for Tim Dillon.

01:52:33.000 Like, Tim Dillon can rant with one person better than anybody on the planet.

01:52:37.000 But he's very smart in the way he does it.

01:52:39.000 Like, have his producer right there.

01:52:40.000 So he's saying funny things for his producer.

01:52:43.000 His producer's laughing.

01:52:44.000 Right.

01:52:44.000 So he'll do that also in podcasts.

01:52:46.000 Same kind of thing.

01:52:47.000 You know?

01:52:48.000 Whereas, Burr is just him by himself.

01:52:51.000 I'll tell you what!

01:52:52.000 I know, like, someone will just ask him, like, the most kind of basic question.

01:52:57.000 Yeah.

01:52:58.000 And then, like, he's just reading their question, and then it just launches him into this thing that, like, you know, he wasn't even planning on talking about none of this.

01:53:05.000 Right.

01:53:05.000 And then it just launches, and it's beautiful.

01:53:06.000 Yeah.

01:53:07.000 Both those guys are the best.

01:53:08.000 Yeah.

01:53:09.000 Dylan's the best, though, at just being hilarious about anything by himself.

01:53:14.000 Dude, I mean, I met Tim, like, pretty early.

01:53:17.000 He was pretty new when I first met him.

01:53:21.000 And he was definitely like, I mean, he wasn't as, you know, like, he didn't have the chops that he has now.

01:53:27.000 He wasn't as polished as he is now.

01:53:28.000 But he was very green.

01:53:30.000 He was brand new.

01:53:31.000 But I remember just, like, hearing a few of his rants on podcasts, and you were like, yo...

01:53:37.000 This guy is gonna be like a force of nature.

01:53:42.000 It's almost like you see...

01:53:44.000 It's like if you were watching Michael Jordan play in high school or something like that, and then you just saw one move and you were like, oh...

01:53:52.000 Oh, we're doing that now?

01:53:54.000 All right.

01:53:54.000 All right, fine.

01:53:56.000 Well, it's such a unique perspective. 0.97

01:53:59.000 A gay right-wing guy who used to sell subprime mortgages and did a lot of drugs. 0.98

01:54:05.000 I'm still not convinced he's gay. 0.98

01:54:07.000 I'm convinced he used to sell subprime mortgages.

01:54:10.000 That for sure happens.

01:54:11.000 I'm convinced he did a lot of drugs.

01:54:12.000 That I believe.

01:54:13.000 That I believe.

01:54:15.000 You know, it's funny because every now and then you'll see it.

01:54:18.000 There's like a moment where you see the gay come out and you're like, oh, there it is. 1.00

01:54:21.000 Oh, there it is.

01:54:22.000 You hide it pretty well, Tim, but it's there. 1.00

01:54:24.000 Look at him there with the fucking glasses. 1.00

01:54:26.000 Oh, my God. 1.00

01:54:28.000 And he puts those glasses on so he's like he's in his own little world and he can just say the most wild shit about everybody. 0.99

01:54:37.000 Did you see the Nancy Pelosi debate with the dude from Mumford? 0.99

01:54:40.000 No, I still haven't watched it.

01:54:42.000 I did.

01:54:42.000 I know you asked me if I had seen it.

01:54:45.000 And then my buddy, Rob Bernstein, who co-hosts my podcast with me, part of the problem.

01:54:49.000 He was like, dude, you got to watch it.

01:54:51.000 But I just have not.

01:54:51.000 I've been constantly traveling.

01:54:53.000 Yeah, dude.

01:54:54.000 He handed her.

01:54:56.000 Well, I can't believe Nancy Pelosi actually did an Oxford style debate. 1.00

01:55:00.000 That just seems ridiculous. 0.74

01:55:01.000 Who told her that was a good idea? 0.99

01:55:04.000 Oh no. 1.00

01:55:04.000 I mean, I guess she thought Winston is just like this fucking musician. 1.00

01:55:08.000 Isn't he a banjo player? 0.99

01:55:10.000 What's going on here?

01:55:11.000 Pelosi interrupted by anti-Israeli.

01:55:14.000 Pelosi rebooted to her face during Oxford debate after condemning Americans clouded by guns, gays, God.

01:55:22.000 What?

01:55:23.000 What does that mean? 1.00

01:55:25.000 Clouded by guns, gays, god. 1.00

01:55:27.000 What does that mean? 0.99

01:55:28.000 What does that mean? 0.99

01:55:30.000 She's so crazy. 1.00

01:55:33.000 Guns and gays and gods. 1.00

01:55:36.000 Oh, my God. 0.97

01:55:37.000 Challenging Pelosi's position in the debate about populism.

01:55:40.000 Winston Marshall, a musician who was once part of Memford& Sons, now hosts the Marshall Matters podcast for The Spectator, spoke in opposition to the Oxford Union motion that this house believes populism is a threat to democracy.

01:55:52.000 That is a crazy argument, that populism is a threat to democracy.

01:55:57.000 I swear to God, whenever you hear people like Nancy Pelosi or Hillary Clinton or any of them use the term democracy, just in your mind, substitute what they mean by democracy is our rule over you.

01:56:10.000 In a sense, that's what they mean.

01:56:12.000 It's like, oh yeah, populism is a threat to you guys ruling us.

01:56:15.000 And that's kind of true.

01:56:17.000 That's exactly what she's saying.

01:56:19.000 She just doesn't know she's saying that.

01:56:21.000 I will say this.

01:56:22.000 There's a really great debate.

01:56:25.000 I believe it was the Monk debate.

01:56:29.000 It was between David Frum and...

01:56:32.000 Oh, God.

01:56:34.000 I'm blanking on his name.

01:56:35.000 Trump's big advisor.

01:56:38.000 Oh man, I'm blanking on his name.

01:56:40.000 I'm usually pretty good with names, guys.

01:56:42.000 But what is the guy who masterminded Trump's 2016 campaign?

01:56:46.000 Yeah, Steve Bannon.

01:56:48.000 So Steve Bannon and David Frum.

01:56:49.000 David Frum was a speechwriter for George W. Bush.

01:56:52.000 And Steve Bannon debated populism.

01:56:54.000 And the crowd was so hostile to Bannon.

01:56:59.000 And he actually did a very good job in the debate.

01:57:02.000 I highly recommend everyone listen to it if you're interested in this stuff.

01:57:08.000 The whole Trumpist populist movement is a result of your failures.

01:57:13.000 Like, who are you, George W. Bush speechwriter, to look at us and say like, why is there this populism?

01:57:19.000 Gee, I wonder why.

01:57:20.000 Maybe it's because the elites mismanaged everything.

01:57:24.000 And so then there was a movement that rose up like, hey, these elites are screwing you over.

01:57:29.000 Populism is not a sign that you have a healthy society.

01:57:34.000 It's a symptom of a cause.

01:57:37.000 I know me and you have talked about this a bunch before, but in the same ways when all these people will be like, we need to have trust in our institutions.

01:57:45.000 And you're like, well, yeah.

01:57:47.000 Yeah.

01:57:47.000 But we also need institutions that don't lie to us.

01:57:50.000 And when they do lie to us, you can't turn around and say, hey, you have to trust these institutions.

01:57:55.000 Like, no, the problem started with you not being trustworthy.

01:57:58.000 Not with us not trusting you.

01:58:00.000 I think people are starting to understand that better now.

01:58:03.000 I really do.

01:58:04.000 I do, too.

01:58:05.000 I think there's been a pretty significant shift towards people being very skeptical.

01:58:11.000 About bullshit now where it's just there's gonna be a ton of people and some of these people by the way are paid and this is what I've talked to people recently that are they either stream or their YouTube personalities or their Instagram social media personalities and they have a certain number of followers and they offer them thousands of dollars to do political posts Yeah.

01:58:39.000 Thousands of dollars to talk about specific political issues. 0.99

01:58:42.000 Damn it, there's no money in my politics. 0.98

01:58:44.000 But you know how crazy that is? 0.99

01:58:45.000 So like, what if you have a really big account?

01:58:47.000 Like, what if you have a big account like mine?

01:58:49.000 We have like 19 million followers and someone says, hey, we would love to pay you, you know, to support blah, blah, blah.

01:59:00.000 That is creepy, man.

01:59:02.000 That's legal.

01:59:03.000 That's creepy that you can pay people for their support for a political issue because it's this weird gray area where it's social media engagement.

01:59:13.000 And I'm sure there's also, like, there's probably, like, a few...

01:59:18.000 It's not like a campaign is directly paying you.

01:59:21.000 It's like a super PAC or a group that was funded by that super PAC. And then you could, with a straight face, say, I've never taken any money from the Biden campaign.

01:59:29.000 Come on now.

01:59:30.000 And you're like, hmm.

01:59:31.000 Yeah, but you did take money from a group who's basically Biden's campaign.

01:59:35.000 Right, like what the NIH did with gain-of-function research.

01:59:38.000 We didn't fund it.

01:59:39.000 It had nothing to do with it.

01:59:39.000 Oh, this subsidiary.

01:59:40.000 Oh, yeah, this company that we fund.

01:59:42.000 Yeah, we're there.

01:59:43.000 Probably, but it had nothing to do with the pandemic. 0.99

01:59:45.000 Yeah, those guys are crazy. 1.00

01:59:47.000 You're racist. 1.00

01:59:50.000 Wasn't that the best? 0.99

01:59:51.000 That made you racist?

01:59:52.000 It's great.

01:59:53.000 That made you racist.

01:59:53.000 They're so good at that.

01:59:55.000 They're so good at making you whatever.

01:59:57.000 Whatever it is. 0.99

01:59:58.000 Racist, transphobic, sexist, xenophobic, nationalist.

02:00:03.000 What they're amazing at, and I've kind of marveled at it over the last few years, especially when I do this show. 0.71

02:00:09.000 There's some other shows that I do that are pretty big shows, but there's just nothing like that.

02:00:13.000 This show like the the response to it that you get especially for me because I come say like Controversial things on the show and like the the response that you get be accurate.

02:00:23.000 I mean it's bonkers, dude Okay, so the the probably the biggest one up until I don't know.

02:00:29.000 But maybe the biggest one was that when we were talking about the war in Ukraine.

02:00:34.000 So this was like a couple years ago, I guess, was the first time I came on and we were really talking about it.

02:00:39.000 Beginning-ish of the war.

02:00:41.000 And I basically made this whole case for how NATO expansion is basically what provoked this war and that that was Vladimir Putin's big...

02:00:51.000 I mean, I thought I totally backed it up with, like, listen, this is what all of these experts themselves said.

02:00:57.000 You know, not Russian experts.

02:00:58.000 I'm saying American experts, heads at NATO, all of this stuff.

02:01:02.000 And, I mean, the reaction I got from blue-check journalists back when that meant you were a corporate journalist. 0.66

02:01:08.000 Joe Scarborough was furious at me.

02:01:10.000 He goes, this guy is saying that NATO provoked Vladimir Putin's invasion.

02:01:15.000 Because, of course, the New York Times and CNN and their favorite term was unprovoked.

02:01:20.000 And I don't know, by the way, if you caught this, and I don't say this just to run a victory lap, but kind of, 50% for that reason, but just late last year, the head of NATO, Jens Strasenberg or something like that,

02:01:36.000 Norwegian guy, but he just came out and said...

02:01:40.000 And he almost said it like so nonchalantly.

02:01:42.000 He said that Vladimir Putin, before he invaded, asked NATO, he said, if you just put in writing that you won't ever put Ukraine in NATO, I won't invade.

02:01:54.000 But if you don't do that, I'm going to invade.

02:01:55.000 And then he was bragging.

02:01:57.000 He goes, and we refused.

02:01:59.000 We refused to agree to that.

02:02:02.000 And then he was kind of going, and look, now NATO's going to expand even more. 1.00

02:02:05.000 So see how stupid Vladimir Putin is? 0.95

02:02:06.000 But like, number one, he just totally admitted that all that thing that everyone was saying was such a controversial statement two years ago that this had anything to do with NATO expansion. 0.99

02:02:14.000 It's like, well, the head of NATO just said that's what the whole thing was about and that he wouldn't have invaded if he had just agreed to not expand NATO more.

02:02:20.000 And then number two, you're like, oh, so you're just bragging that you didn't do that?

02:02:24.000 So what?

02:02:25.000 Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians have died now.

02:02:28.000 We could have just made an agreement that Ukraine won't be in NATO and not done any of this.

02:02:33.000 That seems better. 0.82

02:02:35.000 But when you say it, when I said it two years ago, everyone, like, anyway, my point is just that they really act like you're crazy. 0.97

02:02:42.000 They act like you're an insane person.

02:02:45.000 When you're saying something that you're like, no, this is like very common sense and clearly true. 1.00

02:02:49.000 I don't think they even understand the history of it, even the people that are commentators.

02:02:54.000 A lot of them don't.

02:02:55.000 A lot of them that are jack of all trades, right?

02:02:59.000 They're jack of all trades in regards to their understanding of the economy, international conflict, you know, tech issues.

02:03:07.000 You know what?

02:03:08.000 I sent you this months ago, but this really was kind of eye-opening to me.

02:03:13.000 So there's this guy, Liam Crossgrove, and he works for Greyzone.

02:03:18.000 He's a reporter over there.

02:03:20.000 And so he made...

02:03:26.000 We're good to go.

02:03:42.000 But so he made this video where he goes up to all these congressmen and congresswomen and he asks them what they think about Netanyahu's propping up Hamas for all of these years.

02:03:56.000 And to a man, to a woman, All of them just have this deer-in-headlights look, and they're like, uh, sorry, what report are you referring to?

02:04:06.000 I'm sorry, I haven't seen that.

02:04:07.000 I'd be interested to see that, but I haven't seen that.

02:04:09.000 What?

02:04:10.000 What are you talking about?

02:04:10.000 And you just, right away, none of them know.

02:04:13.000 None of them even have the foggiest idea what you're talking about.

02:04:16.000 And you almost realize that, weirdly, it was even eye-opening to me, and I talk about this stuff all the time, but you just kind of realize where it's like, oh, like, yeah, that's not their job.

02:04:29.000 Their job isn't to, like, read books about this stuff and read newspaper articles and keep up with what's going on.

02:04:35.000 Their job is to fundraise for their next election that they have and to whip votes for this thing that this lobbyist wanted.

02:04:43.000 And if I get what this lobbyist wanted, he's going to contribute to my campaign.

02:04:47.000 And if I did, it's like they're in a different world.

02:04:49.000 They're not in the world of, like, actually thinking about this conflict and knowing things.

02:04:54.000 We're not Learning more about it.

02:04:56.000 It's just like being the president.

02:04:57.000 They have to have a comprehensive understanding of everything.

02:05:01.000 Everything.

02:05:01.000 Right.

02:05:01.000 Everything.

02:05:02.000 Which is impossible.

02:05:03.000 Which is not possible.

02:05:04.000 It's not possible.

02:05:05.000 And the other thing is they're always talking like they're in a position of expertise.

02:05:10.000 One of my favorite interviews was when AOC was talking to that lady and she asked her to expand.

02:05:15.000 About Israel-Palestine?

02:05:16.000 Yeah.

02:05:19.000 She just collapsed into herself.

02:05:21.000 It's literally like a fifth grader that didn't study.

02:05:25.000 Yes.

02:05:26.000 And then they ask you about the subject or you didn't read the book.

02:05:29.000 And then, well, you know, it's about Billy and his dog and a really good relationship, these dogs.

02:05:33.000 But the crazy thing about that interview is that it's like, okay, so her first comment...

02:05:39.000 Yeah.

02:05:52.000 What are you talking about, man?

02:05:53.000 She literally goes, I'm really not the expert.

02:05:56.000 She just gave up.

02:05:57.000 But she kept going before she gave up.

02:05:59.000 She tried.

02:06:00.000 And you're supposed to know about that if you're going to talk about that.

02:06:03.000 It's not that hard to educate yourself on it.

02:06:06.000 Oh, no, a little bit at least.

02:06:07.000 I mean, try.

02:06:09.000 You have an understanding of the history of the conflict.

02:06:12.000 It is a crazy convoluted one.

02:06:15.000 Yeah, this is it.

02:06:16.000 This is it.

02:06:17.000 Yeah, yeah, sure.

02:06:20.000 I also think that what people are starting to see, at least in the occupation of Palestine, is just an increasing crisis of humanitarian condition.

02:06:34.000 And that to me is just where I tend to come from on this issue.

02:06:39.000 You use the term the occupation of Palestine.

02:06:41.000 What did you mean by that?

02:06:47.000 I think what I meant is like the settlements that are increasing.

02:06:51.000 No, no, that's not what the occupation means.

02:06:54.000 Oh, it keeps getting better.

02:06:56.000 Palestinians are experiencing difficulty in access to their housing and homes.

02:07:03.000 Do you think you can expand on that?

02:07:05.000 Yeah, I mean, I think I'd also just...

02:07:06.000 I am not the expert on geopolitics on this issue.

02:07:11.000 That lady, by the way, knew exactly what she was doing. 1.00

02:07:13.000 Oh, of course.

02:07:14.000 She goes, oh, I'm going to expose this chick. 0.99

02:07:17.000 I'm going to expose her.

02:07:19.000 I kind of agree with AOC's starting statement, but then you're like, hey, you've got to have something here, man.

02:07:27.000 You've got to know what you're talking about.

02:07:29.000 Yeah.

02:07:29.000 And also, again, this is not the place for that.

02:07:34.000 You have five minutes or whatever you got, whatever that interview is.

02:07:37.000 There's not a chance that you can lay out the history of this conflict and all the different accords and all the different...

02:07:44.000 Yes, yes, of course.

02:07:45.000 But there's also this weird thing in corporate media where there's almost...

02:07:49.000 Like an unspoken, unwritten agreement that like, look, if you just have a few talking points, you can get through an interview and sound really confident in yourself and sound like, hey, that guy knows what he's talking about, you know?

02:08:01.000 And as long as, say, like if I'm interviewing you, as long as I kind of agree that I'm just going to let you say your talking points, then you can come out looking really good.

02:08:10.000 But as soon as one...

02:08:12.000 Like, interviewer like this one decides, like, no, I'm gonna make an example out of you now.

02:08:16.000 And the beautiful thing about the way she did it, she just kept asking her to expand.

02:08:20.000 Yeah, so what do you mean by that?

02:08:21.000 Yeah, expand.

02:08:22.000 She's not challenging her.

02:08:24.000 She's literally just giving her the easiest of softballs. 0.99

02:08:28.000 Yep.

02:08:28.000 And there's nothing there.

02:08:30.000 Yeah, and that's right.

02:08:31.000 And of course, AOC, you know, I almost feel bad, like, because she was such a, like, I think she was in her 20s in this video.

02:08:38.000 They also kind of knew that, like, here's this woman who just is totally not up to the task and doesn't know anything. 1.00

02:08:44.000 Did you see the Marjorie Taylor Greene, the outburst?

02:08:49.000 These are the best of the best, ladies and gentlemen.

02:08:51.000 These are our representatives.

02:08:53.000 This is our Jerry Springer government that we have here.

02:08:55.000 What does AOC call her baby girl? 1.00

02:08:58.000 She goes, oh baby girl.

02:08:59.000 They went full, oh no you didn't. 1.00

02:09:02.000 You said bitch, I will fuck you up. 1.00

02:09:04.000 They went fucking you. 1.00

02:09:05.000 Marjorie Taylor's insulting her. 1.00

02:09:08.000 She's insulting Marjorie Taylor's body. 1.00

02:09:11.000 Dude, it was wild.

02:09:12.000 You're like, no, we can't. 0.99

02:09:13.000 Just when you think, like, yo, this country's gotten so dumb, you're like, oh, are we actually here? 0.98

02:09:17.000 Are we actually here? 0.99

02:09:18.000 Do you remember we used to watch those videos of, like, Parliament breaking out in other countries, like Kazakhstan or some shit? 0.84

02:09:26.000 And we'd be like, that could never happen here. 0.91

02:09:28.000 Listen to what they say. 1.00

02:09:29.000 So she gives her shit. 1.00

02:09:30.000 Chaos on Capitol Hill. 1.00

02:09:35.000 Oh, see if you can find the raw footage of it so we don't... 1.00

02:09:39.000 So she starts talking shit. 1.00

02:09:41.000 Marjorie Taylor Greene says, maybe you couldn't read it because of your fake eyelashes. 1.00

02:09:44.000 And the other one's like, oh, no, you didn't. 1.00

02:09:46.000 Strike that shit from the record. 1.00

02:09:47.000 And they say... 1.00

02:09:50.000 I said she has a butch body. 1.00

02:09:52.000 But she did it in the catty, passive-aggressive way. 0.99

02:09:57.000 Do you know what we're here for?

02:09:59.000 I don't think you know what you're here for.

02:10:02.000 I think your fake eyelashes are messing up.

02:10:05.000 Hold on, hold on.

02:10:08.000 Order, Mr. Chairman.

02:10:10.000 That's beneath even you, Mr. Green.

02:10:11.000 That's beneath even you.

02:10:14.000 Keep going.

02:10:15.000 I do have a point of order, and I would like to move to take down Ms. Green's words.

02:10:20.000 That is absolutely unacceptable.

02:10:22.000 How dare you attack the physical appearance of another person?

02:10:26.000 Are your feelings hurt?

02:10:27.000 Move her words down.

02:10:29.000 Oh, girl, baby girl.

02:10:31.000 Oh, really?

02:10:32.000 Don't even play.

02:10:34.000 Baby girl, I don't think that.

02:10:35.000 We are going to move and we're going to take your words down.

02:10:37.000 I second that motion.

02:10:38.000 That's amazing!

02:10:39.000 Don't even play!

02:10:42.000 Ms. Green agrees to strike her words. 0.75

02:10:44.000 I believe she's apologizing.

02:10:45.000 No, no, no, she's apologizing.

02:10:46.000 Okay, hold on.

02:10:47.000 Then, after Mr. Perry's going to be recognized, then Ms. Green...

02:10:50.000 I'm not apologizing.

02:10:51.000 Well, then, you're not stretching your words.

02:10:53.000 I am not apologizing.

02:10:55.000 Now, let's go.

02:10:56.000 I'm just curious, just to better understand your ruling, if someone on this committee then starts talking about somebody's bleach-blind, bad-built, butch body, that would not be engaging in personalities, correct?

02:11:08.000 Solid alliteration.

02:11:10.000 What now? 0.98

02:11:12.000 Bleach, blonde, bad, built, butch body. 0.95

02:11:17.000 I'm genuinely kind of impressed with the alliteration off the top of the head. 0.80

02:11:23.000 That was pretty good. 0.97

02:11:24.000 The bleach, blonde, built, bad, built, butch body. 0.98

02:11:27.000 Yeah, that's not bad. 0.94

02:11:28.000 It's not bad.

02:11:28.000 She thought about it for a while.

02:11:29.000 She had a little time.

02:11:30.000 She probably had that in her hip. 1.00

02:11:31.000 Yeah, she had a little time.

02:11:32.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:11:32.000 There was a lot going on.

02:11:33.000 AOC jumped in.

02:11:35.000 There was a little time to concoct that.

02:11:36.000 There's a little moment like she goes over to AOC. She's like, I got a good one.

02:11:39.000 I got one here. 0.99

02:11:41.000 They're just talking shit to each other like they're on Twitter spaces. 0.99

02:11:44.000 Like, the next line should be like, you are not the father. 1.00

02:11:47.000 Like, it's just the middle of this chaos. 0.99

02:11:49.000 That's just fucking insane. 0.99

02:11:51.000 Those are our representatives. 0.99

02:11:52.000 Yeah.

02:11:52.000 Yeah, that's insanity.

02:11:54.000 I mean, other countries have to be laughing at that.

02:11:57.000 I would.

02:11:58.000 If I was China, I'd be like, oh my god, this is amazing.

02:12:01.000 How could we have known our plan would work so well?

02:12:05.000 So well!

02:12:07.000 It is really wild.

02:12:09.000 So wild!

02:12:10.000 Yeah.

02:12:11.000 And this is who votes on war.

02:12:16.000 I mean, they don't actually get to vote on war if it makes you feel any better. 0.97

02:12:19.000 The only thing that gives me hope is that maybe enough competent people will see these folks and go, you know what, I have to fucking run. 0.99

02:12:25.000 Like, this is ridiculous. 1.00

02:12:27.000 Like, this is absolutely ridiculous. 0.95

02:12:29.000 Maybe some successful business people that were on the edge. 0.99

02:12:32.000 Yeah, so push them towards the you know, just someone who just gets cut the fucking shit or even if not running I do think there's things like look like Elon Musk buying Twitter I do think was kind of like a move of kind of like okay, he's not gonna run for office That's probably not his calling in life, 0.99

02:12:49.000 but he was like okay, you can't be president. 0.98

02:12:51.000 Well, that's right Well, he couldn't be president, but he could run for something else, but that's not Elon Musk's best use of his abilities.

02:12:56.000 But to buy Twitter and just be like, hey, look, I see what's going on here.

02:12:59.000 We're going to make this one social media platform that isn't in lockstep with all of the other progressive ones.

02:13:05.000 Things like that are really important.

02:13:07.000 So hopefully there's more of that.

02:13:08.000 Bro, if they make it so that you could have been born somewhere else and be president of the United States.

02:13:13.000 Running Twitter, SpaceX, and Tesla while being president is the most Elon Musk thing to do ever.

02:13:20.000 That's true.

02:13:20.000 That he wouldn't even step down.

02:13:22.000 It's not important.

02:13:23.000 I can get it all done.

02:13:24.000 Get it all done in 20 minutes.

02:13:26.000 Have a few meetings.

02:13:29.000 Well, I mean...

02:13:30.000 But then if you did that, the thing is, like, this is what all the conspiracy theorists are fearing about these people coming into the country.

02:13:37.000 They're fearing that the people coming into the country, what they're going to do is offer them citizenship in replacement of military service.

02:13:46.000 So they'll serve the military, then become citizens, and then if there's like some sort of a crazy thing breaks out, well then you have your immigrant army against the original people that were here when they got here. 0.98

02:13:56.000 Yeah.

02:13:57.000 No, I mean, there's a lot of concerns with that.

02:14:00.000 Yeah, because otherwise, AOC reveals darker intentions behind Marge Taylor Greed hearing chaos. 0.99

02:14:05.000 She's saying that she kind of did this on purpose to derail the actual hearing they were having, because after that happened and they went into chaos, they stopped...

02:14:13.000 Doing what they were there to do, actually, and just had a vote without having any amendments or any more discussion.

02:14:19.000 It's a microcosm what authoritarians do on a larger scale.

02:14:22.000 I don't think she's thinking that far ahead.

02:14:25.000 Marjorie Taylor Greene is a wild lady. 0.99

02:14:27.000 I don't think she had a master plan. 1.00

02:14:29.000 She's saying wild shit. 1.00

02:14:29.000 I think she was just insulting her eyelashes. 1.00

02:14:31.000 Yeah, she's just insulting her. 1.00

02:14:32.000 She's talking shit. 1.00

02:14:33.000 I mean, I don't know. 1.00

02:14:34.000 I wasn't there.

02:14:35.000 I can't imagine that she's doing this as like some 4D chess move.

02:14:41.000 I don't see her behaving like Netanyahu.

02:14:47.000 I don't think she's doing a Hamas here. 0.79

02:14:50.000 I think the simplest explanation is that she just wanted to insult that chick's eyelashes. 1.00

02:14:54.000 That's my guess.

02:14:56.000 Because they were insulting each other, right?

02:14:58.000 Because she said, you don't know what you're talking about.

02:15:00.000 She said something about, you didn't even read it. 1.00

02:15:03.000 Like, I think you're messing up with your fucking fake eyelashes. 0.99

02:15:07.000 Yeah, she chimed in first saying, do you know what you're here for? 0.99

02:15:09.000 But that was after she was saying that she was derailing it right away.

02:15:12.000 I don't think you know what you're here for.

02:15:14.000 I think your fake eyelashes are messing up what you're reading.

02:15:18.000 So the other girl, what did the other lady say before that to her? 1.00

02:15:22.000 That's where it was cut off that we didn't see in that clip. 0.93

02:15:25.000 Maybe she didn't think it was the whole thing, but also maybe someone just said before, hey, if you get a chance to fuck this up, go for it. 0.54

02:15:31.000 I suppose it's possible.

02:15:33.000 It's certainly possible.

02:15:35.000 It's always possible.

02:15:37.000 I think that that's just how she behaves. 1.00

02:15:40.000 Yeah, but at the same time, if you were her, and then someone came up to her and was like, hey, I need you to mess this up and draw it out, she'd be like, no problem.

02:15:48.000 That's my specialty.

02:15:49.000 Oh, I got this, honey.

02:15:50.000 I could do that for you.

02:15:51.000 I got this, honey. 1.00

02:15:52.000 Oh, you're telling me to turn this into a shit show? 1.00

02:15:53.000 Oh, no problem. 1.00

02:15:54.000 She'll probably do a bump of coke before she does it. 1.00

02:15:56.000 She'll crack her neck. 1.00

02:15:58.000 Let's go! 1.00

02:15:59.000 Oh, you got the right bitch for the job on this one, I'll tell you. 1.00

02:16:02.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:16:02.000 You know my favorite guy was the gay dude who lied about his past completely? 1.00

02:16:07.000 Santos? 1.00

02:16:08.000 Yeah, and now he just talks shit about everybody. 0.99

02:16:10.000 I know. 1.00

02:16:11.000 Dude, his lies were so crazy, too. 0.79

02:16:15.000 It wasn't even lies with a political benefit to it or something. 0.97

02:16:20.000 It was just a lie.

02:16:21.000 It was like, you know, as captain of the volleyball team at Harvard, and they were like, not only did you not play volleyball, you never went to Harvard.

02:16:27.000 None of this is real.

02:16:28.000 You're just making up things.

02:16:30.000 Did he really say that?

02:16:32.000 Did you make that one up?

02:16:33.000 Just making that one up.

02:16:34.000 It was lies like that.

02:16:35.000 What did he lie about, Jamie?

02:16:38.000 But he's hilarious, man. 0.97

02:16:40.000 When you hear him interviewed, he's fucking hilarious. 0.95

02:16:42.000 Where he turns on him, talking about how they're all stealing money, and this one's the worst. 0.97

02:16:50.000 That's great. 1.00

02:16:51.000 Well, he's a con man in a fucking sea of con men! 1.00

02:16:54.000 According to New York Mag, he lied about this? 1.00

02:16:57.000 Lied to donors.

02:16:58.000 Allegedly, lied to donors, then used their money to make purchases at Hermes and OnlyFans.

02:17:03.000 Ah!

02:17:06.000 He used campaign money for personal travel and Botox.

02:17:10.000 Oh my god, I love this guy.

02:17:12.000 Allegedly lied to collect unemployment benefits.

02:17:15.000 Oh my god.

02:17:16.000 That's so funny.

02:17:18.000 He's charged with-hold on a second.

02:17:20.000 He's charged with stealing people's identities and making charges on his own donor's credit cards.

02:17:25.000 Wait, where are you going?

02:17:25.000 I'm just going down the list.

02:17:27.000 Yeah, but I'm reading it.

02:17:29.000 It's right here.

02:17:30.000 This is where I was.

02:17:31.000 Okay.

02:17:33.000 Stealing people's identities and making charges on his own donors' credit cards without their authorization, lying to the FEC, and by extension, the public about the financial state of his campaign.

02:17:43.000 So Santos falsely inflated the campaign's reported receipts with non-existent loans and contributions that were either fabricated or stolen.

02:17:51.000 So he's just making up numbers about how much money they had, stealing people's money.

02:17:56.000 Dude, spending campaign contributions on OnlyFans and Botox is just the...

02:18:02.000 I mean, it's hard not to root for that guy. 0.99

02:18:04.000 Listen, they're all crooks. 0.98

02:18:06.000 Look, the inside trading is off the chart. 0.98

02:18:08.000 It is so crazy that that's legal.

02:18:11.000 It's so crazy that that's legal.

02:18:13.000 So while that's going on, you're going to get mad at this guy for this.

02:18:16.000 This seems minor.

02:18:18.000 No, that's it.

02:18:19.000 And that's what's so kind of funny about it.

02:18:22.000 You think about the Clintons.

02:18:25.000 Bill and Hillary Clinton have, since I was a little kid, maybe since I was four or five years old, when he was governor in Arkansas, their entire career is they were public servants and they ran a charity.

02:18:46.000 And they're worth like $100 million or something like that.

02:18:50.000 Like, wait a minute, huh?

02:18:52.000 You guys haven't been practicing law any of this time?

02:18:55.000 You haven't been working in some industry where you've made tons of money?

02:18:58.000 You were public servants who make, you know, healthy salaries, but not like that's going to put you in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

02:19:06.000 And you ran a charity.

02:19:08.000 The Clinton Foundation.

02:19:10.000 And now somehow you're...

02:19:11.000 Barack and Michelle Obama.

02:19:13.000 They just...

02:19:14.000 He goes into the White House.

02:19:15.000 Look at the house he lives in now.

02:19:17.000 It's like...

02:19:18.000 There is almost something where everyone turns at Santos because obviously that's such a cartoonish, easy version of it.

02:19:27.000 But it is kind of wild that there's so much outrage against this guy.

02:19:31.000 And it's in the same sense where there'll be corruption...

02:19:36.000 In, say, some Eastern European countries, there's corruption where the level of corruption is like, if you get pulled over by the cop, you could slip him some money and he'll let you go.

02:19:45.000 Now, we don't have that in America, right?

02:19:48.000 You can't really ever slip a cop money When he pulls you over in America, you may wish you could in certain situations, but you can't really do that.

02:19:56.000 I'm not saying it's never happened, but you really can't do that in America.

02:20:00.000 But we have like the prison guard union lobbying to keep mandatory minimums on marijuana. 0.98

02:20:08.000 So, like, okay, you could look down your nose at this primitive form of corruption, but think about how fucked up that is. 0.98

02:20:15.000 You know what I mean? 0.98

02:20:16.000 And that's just, all it is is just corruption on a much, much bigger level.

02:20:20.000 But it's legal corruption.

02:20:22.000 Exactly.

02:20:22.000 And everyone just accepts it.

02:20:25.000 It's a wild time, my friend.

02:20:26.000 Because people have access to information now that allows them to really see all this stuff.

02:20:30.000 Like, the insider trading thing has probably been going on forever.

02:20:33.000 But we didn't even hear about it until about a decade ago.

02:20:37.000 Yeah.

02:20:37.000 Very rarely came out.

02:20:39.000 Very rarely.

02:20:39.000 It was just kind of accepted that, like, all of these people are rich.

02:20:43.000 Yeah.

02:20:43.000 And we don't really know where they got their money from.

02:20:46.000 Except Jimmy Carter.

02:20:47.000 And that's one of the things that people loved about Jimmy Carter.

02:20:50.000 Jimmy Carter, to the end, really just maintained a very simple lifestyle and just never chased money.

02:20:58.000 He never was that guy.

02:21:00.000 He didn't do those crazy speeches where he talks to bankers and makes half a million dollars for some strange reason.

02:21:05.000 Those speeches are wonderful, because those are the cutest.

02:21:09.000 Those are the cutest ones.

02:21:11.000 It's like, wait a minute, your policies benefited these corporations, and then, surprise, surprise, those people after you leave office want to hear you talk so badly.

02:21:20.000 They're willing to fuck the market up.

02:21:22.000 Yeah, well, I'll tell you- They want to give you hundreds of thousands of dollars to come talk.

02:21:26.000 This is also, I think, where there's a flaw.

02:21:28.000 Okay, so this is- Maybe one of the reasons why I'm a libertarian and not a progressive.

02:21:34.000 I mean, there's many reasons, but one of the things that I think a lot of progressives who I think are, like, well-intentioned, their big thing will be, like, we got to get the money out of politics.

02:21:44.000 And what they mean by that is that we can't let, you know, say, corporations contribute to political campaigns or something like that, because then, of course, they're just basically buying, you know, corruption.

02:21:54.000 But I think, like...

02:21:56.000 The flaw, like Cenk Uygur and people like that, that's like his big issue, you know, is get the money out of politics.

02:22:01.000 I think the flaw in that is that, yeah, but they always find a way to get, because look, those speeches, that's not contributing to anyone's campaign.

02:22:09.000 And that's not technically rewarding you for bailing out the big banks.

02:22:14.000 It's just you happen to bail out the big banks and then they happen to really want to listen to what you have to say after that.

02:22:19.000 And of course the book deal's warranted.

02:22:21.000 People want to read your book.

02:22:23.000 It's like the idea that you could ever close down on every single loophole.

02:22:26.000 Look, the Saudis weren't allowed to contribute money to Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign, because you're not allowed to do that.

02:22:32.000 But they could give $10 million to the Clinton Foundation.

02:22:35.000 And then once Hillary Clinton lost, it's so weird, they stopped donating.

02:22:39.000 I don't know.

02:22:39.000 They just stopped being interested in charity.

02:22:41.000 The House of Saud was really interested in charity for a while there in 2016. And then they stopped being so interested.

02:22:46.000 So essentially, I think the libertarian view on it is that it's like, no, no, no.

02:22:51.000 Whatever rule you want to have, if you have this much power in Washington, D.C., that power is going to be corrupted.

02:22:59.000 And people will find a way.

02:23:00.000 The only answer is to reduce the power.

02:23:02.000 Yeah, and isn't the charitable foundation thing a sneaky tax way of making money?

02:23:08.000 Oh, yeah, for sure.

02:23:09.000 Because there's a thing about charitable foundations.

02:23:12.000 Everyone who's really rich seems to have a foundation.

02:23:15.000 Yeah, I mean, I'm not the expert on that or anything else, really, but I know that they certainly get a whole bunch of tax breaks that you wouldn't get if you just started a business.

02:23:26.000 Well, not only that, but if they're doing things, like Gates, for instance...

02:23:31.000 To promote global health, right?

02:23:33.000 So he gets involved and he makes money off vaccines.

02:23:36.000 So he sells his stock and then starts talking badly about them.

02:23:41.000 Yeah.

02:23:41.000 I mean...

02:23:42.000 It's pretty wild.

02:23:46.000 It's wild stuff.

02:23:47.000 It's wild.

02:23:48.000 It's wild that you can make money, like hundreds of millions of dollars, while you're running a charitable organization.

02:23:54.000 But if you also think about it, the hundreds of millions of dollars that these guys make off of that is nothing because the legislation that they're passing or the policy that they're pushing is making these special interests hundreds of billions of dollars.

02:24:10.000 So if you buy off a politician for 20 million bucks and you get a no-bid contract that's going to be worth $200 billion to you, that's a pretty good return on investment.

02:24:21.000 There was an article about this particular area of Virginia that's like the most expensive real estate in the country, and it's all where the lobbyists live.

02:24:31.000 And I think, is it Blinken whose house that they're picketing in front of, that they've been essentially there since, see if you can find it.

02:24:38.000 I think it's Blinken's home that he has some crime. 0.99

02:24:43.000 Crazy fucking set up there some fucking dope ass old-school mansion and They're all camping out in front of his house. 0.99

02:24:52.000 It's the Palestine free Palestine people And so they've decided to constantly protest in front of his house Yeah, Anthony Blinken's family is the latest target of Washington's ugliest protest trend So they just camp out in front of his house. 1.00

02:25:04.000 They're pouring blood on the ground.

02:25:05.000 It's a little weird to do with your baby Stop the genocide in Gaza.

02:25:09.000 I like this better than just blocking the road It's definitely better than Blockin' the Road. 1.00

02:25:13.000 Blockin' the Road is the dumbest fucking thing of all time. 1.00

02:25:16.000 And, you know... 1.00

02:25:17.000 I mean, this is what people do if you're involved in war.

02:25:23.000 You know?

02:25:24.000 If you're involved in people dying...

02:25:27.000 Welcome to Kibbutz Blinken. 0.96

02:25:31.000 Oh, Jesus.

02:25:34.000 Yeah, so I think they've been there, like, for months.

02:25:38.000 This article's from February 16th.

02:25:40.000 Yeah, I think they just, it's a constant encampment.

02:25:44.000 And they've got this thing where they're just gonna protest in front of this guy's house.

02:25:49.000 I do prefer taking it to the people who are actually somewhat responsible over just kind of inconvenience.

02:25:54.000 Going to Jerry Seinfeld's shows and yelling at them.

02:25:56.000 Yeah, this at least makes more sense.

02:25:59.000 That guy's got to sell that house.

02:26:01.000 You got to get out of Dodge, bro.

02:26:02.000 Yeah, there might be time to leave.

02:26:04.000 Don't worry.

02:26:04.000 I'm sure the market's up.

02:26:06.000 He'll do fine on that house.

02:26:07.000 I'm sure he probably has a couple other houses, too.

02:26:09.000 He probably doesn't have to stay there.

02:26:11.000 But it really is.

02:26:11.000 You got one of them houses?

02:26:13.000 Probably got a little spot over there, a little spot over here.

02:26:15.000 It is crazy, though, that our leaders don't even feel the urge to kind of not shove it in all of our faces.

02:26:26.000 Right.

02:26:27.000 That this whole thing is just...

02:26:29.000 It's all just kind of like, oh, how much money can I extract from this pot and get myself wealthy?

02:26:37.000 You don't feel like any sense of...

02:26:38.000 And I will say...

02:26:40.000 The one who I like kind of personally resent the most, which maybe is unfair, but is Obama.

02:26:46.000 Because so many of us did kind of buy into, at least to some degree, the thing he was selling in 2008. And you're like, wait, but you don't feel like you should...

02:26:55.000 Have you seen pictures of the house he lives in?

02:26:57.000 Oh, he's got multiple houses.

02:26:59.000 He's got one in Hawaii.

02:27:00.000 Yeah, but I'm talking about the one in Martha's Vineyard.

02:27:02.000 I clicked on an article about the house that he had, and there's a fun fact about the street that it's on.

02:27:08.000 Oh yeah, a bunch of Saudis own it, right? 1.00

02:27:10.000 Yeah, at least five houses.

02:27:13.000 Also known as Northern Virginia's Gold Coast, the road features opulent homes on large properties perched high above the Potomac with sweeping views.

02:27:21.000 Such estates sell for tens of millions of dollars, as was the case when AOL co-founder Steve Case sold his estate to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia for $43 million in 2018. Those must be dope views.

02:27:32.000 Find us a view.

02:27:33.000 Find us a view.

02:27:35.000 Northern Virginia Gold Coast real estate.

02:27:36.000 Let's see what we can get for $50 million. 0.99

02:27:40.000 See if you can get for all the fucking Instagram ads that they want you to run for this political party. 0.99

02:27:47.000 If you cover the 50, I'll handle the taxes. 0.99

02:27:52.000 Let's see what the views look like.

02:27:54.000 Because if it's over the Potomac and they perched high above, it must look insane.

02:27:59.000 Oh, there was a little image back there.

02:28:01.000 If you click images...

02:28:03.000 Oh, real estate images.

02:28:06.000 There was one pretty spectacular view in that last thing.

02:28:13.000 Let me see some view.

02:28:14.000 So these are like these old-school Connecticut-style houses. 0.99

02:28:20.000 You know, like fucking The Great Gatsby, that kind of deal. 0.98

02:28:25.000 I have a buddy of mine who works in Connecticut. 0.99

02:28:30.000 He lives in Connecticut, too, but he works at a school where a lot of these people send their kids. 1.00

02:28:36.000 He's like, dude, these fucking houses are ridiculous. 1.00

02:28:39.000 They're old-school mansions on these giant properties and they They all do drugs and fucking fuck each other's wives and go crazy Spend all their fucking their Real estate holding money and all their Stocks and bond money. 1.00

02:28:59.000 These are dope ass houses. 1.00

02:29:00.000 Look at that. 1.00

02:29:00.000 What a view, man. 1.00

02:29:01.000 They're cool-looking houses. 0.99

02:29:02.000 God damn that must be awesome living there. 0.98

02:29:05.000 So that's where all those... 1.00

02:29:06.000 But your neighbors are all demons.

02:29:09.000 You're surrounded by people that are literally the cause of all the problems of the world. 0.70

02:29:15.000 If you're comfortable selling your soul, there's a really nice house in it for you.

02:29:20.000 Imagine partying with lobbyists.

02:29:21.000 Can you imagine if you could just slip in?

02:29:24.000 You know how the Israelis, they infiltrate Hamas?

02:29:29.000 Imagine you're an Israeli soldier and you've infiltrated Hamas and you're like, nobody knows.

02:29:34.000 I'm inside. 1.00

02:29:35.000 Maybe you have to kill a few people and let them know you're serious. 1.00

02:29:38.000 I'm sure you have to do something. 1.00

02:29:39.000 You probably have to do something.

02:29:40.000 Otherwise, they're not going to trust you.

02:29:42.000 But imagine if you could infiltrate lobbyists.

02:29:45.000 Do coke with them, party with them. 1.00

02:29:48.000 Some fucking dude who owns a sub shop chain or something like that. 1.00

02:29:51.000 You're kind of lucked out. 0.99

02:29:52.000 You know, all of a sudden you're hanging around with these guys and they get comfortable with you, sort of like they did with McChrystal, like with that embedded reporter.

02:30:00.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:30:01.000 Well, that was Michael Hastings. 0.97

02:30:02.000 They were out at a bar and they just got him talking shit about Obama. 0.99

02:30:06.000 No, no, no, no, no, no, no. 1.00

02:30:07.000 The volcano blew.

02:30:10.000 What?

02:30:10.000 There was a volcano in Iceland, so he got stranded there.

02:30:14.000 Oh, right.

02:30:15.000 Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:30:15.000 I think I did know this, right?

02:30:17.000 So the volcano in Iceland shut down air travel, so Hastings is embedded with his troop. 0.99

02:30:22.000 And McChrystal starts talking, shit, they get comfortable. 0.99

02:30:24.000 You can't keep the act up with the reporter around forever. 1.00

02:30:28.000 After a few months, Or a few weeks at least.

02:30:32.000 I think also because he was a Rolling Stone reporter, it was like their guard was down a little bit more.

02:30:36.000 They weren't like, this isn't like a Washington Post or New York Times.

02:30:40.000 He'll probably run some kind of pop story about this.

02:30:44.000 You know what I mean?

02:30:44.000 And then he really ran the story.

02:30:47.000 Yeah, and used quotes of the guy disparaging Obama.

02:30:51.000 Yeah.

02:30:51.000 And he was forced to resign.

02:30:52.000 And there's something really interesting about that, though, too, just, like, a little bit of a window into, like...

02:30:56.000 The lobbyists? 0.99

02:30:57.000 Well, I just mean that there could be generals who are just, like, you know, in their private time being like, ah, dude, fuck this guy and his bullshit commands, you know what I mean? 1.00

02:31:07.000 Probably. 1.00

02:31:08.000 I'm sure.

02:31:08.000 I'm sure they got him all tape recorded.

02:31:10.000 Yeah.

02:31:11.000 You know, like, wasn't that the thing about the Mossad with Bill Clinton?

02:31:14.000 Was that a story that just came out recently with the Monica Lewinsky thing?

02:31:18.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:31:19.000 I think I did see something about this.

02:31:21.000 Right, right, right.

02:31:22.000 They recorded him.

02:31:23.000 Yeah, they recorded him. 0.99

02:31:25.000 They're fucking good, man. 0.99

02:31:27.000 They're good. 1.00

02:31:27.000 And they catch those dirtbags, those dudes that are just like pussyhounds. 1.00

02:31:31.000 You get two types of people that want to be president. 1.00

02:31:34.000 Warmongers and pussyhounds. 1.00

02:31:35.000 That's all you get. 0.95

02:31:36.000 And sometimes, if you're lucky, you get a pussyhound who's also a warmonger. 0.99

02:31:42.000 For the most part, you get one of two. 1.00

02:31:45.000 It's almost like, okay, if your dick still works, you'll be a pussy hound. 1.00

02:31:48.000 If your dick doesn't still work, then you've got to launch rockets to make up for that. 1.00

02:31:52.000 Sometimes. 1.00

02:31:53.000 It's almost the same impulse. 1.00

02:31:54.000 Maybe, but sometimes if your dick works, you're like, hey, don't fuck this up. 1.00

02:31:57.000 I'm trying to get late. 1.00

02:31:58.000 Yeah, well, that's what I mean.

02:31:59.000 You'd probably rather that one. 0.99

02:32:00.000 Or sometimes when you're an old man and you don't want to fuck anymore, you're like, look, enough already. 0.99

02:32:05.000 I want to play golf. 1.00

02:32:07.000 Yeah.

02:32:07.000 I just want to relax, go into the sunset.

02:32:09.000 I'm like, I'm over it.

02:32:09.000 Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.

02:32:11.000 You're like, I've had my sex. 0.98

02:32:12.000 I've blown up my things. 0.99

02:32:13.000 Let's just chill.

02:32:14.000 That's what we need.

02:32:15.000 Yeah.

02:32:16.000 That's the argument that that's what Trump is at this point of his life.

02:32:20.000 Well, oh man, I don't know.

02:32:22.000 I don't know either. 0.98

02:32:24.000 It's such a weird goddamn situation. 0.99

02:32:26.000 It's the worst situation. 0.99

02:32:27.000 Everything they throw at them, it just backfires, and it just makes them stronger and stronger.

02:32:32.000 And it looks like this case is falling apart.

02:32:34.000 It looks like almost all of them are falling apart.

02:32:36.000 The one in New York, though, apparently they thought was the most flimsy, like a lot of legal experts thought it was the most flimsy going into it, but now it's completely falling apart.

02:32:43.000 They have contradictory statements that she made to Bill Maher.

02:32:48.000 And then they also have Michael Cohen just admitted he stole like $30,000 from the Trump campaign.

02:32:55.000 So that's not good.

02:32:56.000 The really fascinating one was the, which that sounds like what Michael Cohen would do.

02:33:00.000 The really interesting one was the FBI with the picture of the top secret classified.

02:33:07.000 Yeah, tell about that, because most people aren't even aware of this.

02:33:10.000 Well, it seems that the FBI, you know, when you see the pictures of them on the ground there with all the classified, it's like, oh, that was put there by the FBI. So it's not as if, like, it was presented as if, oh, look, this is what Donald Trump was doing.

02:33:24.000 The sheets that said top secret and classified didn't exist before the FBI came along.

02:33:32.000 They put the sheets saying that, and then they leaked it.

02:33:35.000 So there were the documents, and then they put pictures of these new things that they put over the documents that said top secret and classified.

02:33:43.000 Then they took a picture.

02:33:44.000 This is very important to make this distinction, because the documents were classified. 0.99

02:33:49.000 But they didn't have fucking signs on. 0.97

02:33:51.000 I'm like TNT. It's seeming more and more like there were several instances where it seems that Donald Trump was constantly being trapped. 0.99

02:34:03.000 Going all the way back to the 2016 campaign, if you remember, there was this famous meeting with the Russian at the Trump Tower Hotel.

02:34:12.000 But when you actually look into it, what happened was some Russian woman said she had dirt on Hillary Clinton.

02:34:17.000 They got there to a meeting with her and she had nothing.

02:34:20.000 And then they were all like, okay, whatever.

02:34:22.000 But then the story was, oh, he's conspiring with the Russians.

02:34:26.000 And it seems that, oh, that was a trap to get Donald Trump to do that so that they could make it look like he was conspiring with Russians.

02:34:33.000 And there's just been several things like this over and over again.

02:34:36.000 How about the fact that Hillary Clinton funded the Steele dossier?

02:34:39.000 Yeah.

02:34:40.000 That whole thing.

02:34:42.000 That's amazing!

02:34:44.000 Has that been confirmed?

02:34:46.000 Oh, 100%.

02:34:47.000 Let's confirm that the Clinton campaign funded the Steele dossier.

02:34:51.000 The prosecutor said that there was so many sheets used that they had to start using handwritten sheets to cover up the classified info.

02:34:59.000 That's what they say.

02:35:00.000 Right, but the thing is the photographs that show printed out pieces of paper that say classified and top secret, and those weren't there.

02:35:10.000 They put those there.

02:35:11.000 So it's not that they covered up some of the documents before they took pictures of them.

02:35:15.000 That makes sense.

02:35:16.000 Isn't that to cover up the information?

02:35:18.000 Could be.

02:35:18.000 But you're taking photographs with pieces of paper that say classified and top secret.

02:35:24.000 It gave an impression of something that was different than what was actually there.

02:35:29.000 It most certainly does, because it's like, oh my god, he knew these are classified and top secret.

02:35:33.000 He knew he had these.

02:35:35.000 He did this deceptively.

02:35:36.000 And it's also just the visual, the optics of like, look, classified, and just laying on the floor there like that.

02:35:42.000 Look, it makes sense if you have to document, okay, this one's classified, this one's top secret, let's put a piece of paper on it.

02:35:48.000 But as soon as you put the piece of paper on it that says those things and you photograph them, you're saying this is how you found it.

02:35:54.000 Right.

02:35:54.000 Or at least allowing you to deduce that for yourself.

02:35:58.000 You should have to be very specific about these classified and top secret cheats were not a part of the evidence.

02:36:05.000 They were put on top to label that evidence.

02:36:07.000 But they were probably like, we don't have to do that.

02:36:11.000 It looks bad.

02:36:12.000 It looks bad with all that classified top secret stuff.

02:36:14.000 It looks bad.

02:36:15.000 And look, it's just very clearly, for anybody who's being honest and paying attention, it's just very clear that there's a political motivation involved here.

02:36:25.000 That these guys are trying to hurt Donald Trump's re-election or election campaign.

02:36:32.000 And that in itself is just so wild. 0.99

02:36:35.000 Well, how about the fucking White House press secretary saying she can't comment? 0.98

02:36:39.000 Because it involves the 2024 presidential election. 0.98

02:36:42.000 So she can't comment on Trump's trial because it involves the 2024 presidential election. 0.84

02:36:47.000 Which is so ridiculous.

02:36:48.000 You can comment on the election. 0.95

02:36:49.000 Your whole job is to comment on the election. 0.99

02:36:51.000 Also, you're not supposed to say that that trial is about the fucking election. 0.99

02:36:58.000 You're not supposed to say that. 0.98

02:37:00.000 DNC Clinton campaign agreed to steal dossier funding fine.

02:37:04.000 They got a fine?

02:37:05.000 Oh, they won 100%.

02:37:06.000 How much did they get fined?

02:37:07.000 They got fined $113,000 to settle a Federal Election Commission investigation into whether they violated campaign finance law by misreporting spending on research that eventually became the infamous Steele dossier.

02:37:22.000 That is wild.

02:37:24.000 That all that cost them was $113,000?

02:37:26.000 That's a good deal.

02:37:28.000 PR you got out of that? 0.98

02:37:29.000 How much fucking Trump colluded with Russia talk you got out of that? 0.99

02:37:32.000 Can I just pee real quick? 1.00

02:37:34.000 Yeah, let's pee.

02:37:35.000 We'll be right back.

02:37:36.000 I talk about this more because it's real.

02:37:38.000 We'll pee and we'll be right back, folks.

02:37:40.000 That was the studio where we got in trouble.

02:37:42.000 I got in trouble because I said that if I was talking to a 21-year-old healthy kid, I wouldn't tell him to take that shot.

02:37:47.000 Wasn't that in here?

02:37:48.000 That was in the other one.

02:37:49.000 That was in the red room?

02:37:50.000 That was in the early days.

02:37:51.000 That might have been our first podcast in Austin.

02:37:54.000 Yeah, probably was.

02:37:55.000 Probably was. 0.50

02:37:56.000 Well, it aged pretty goddamn good, Joe. 0.74

02:37:59.000 It's pretty goddamn good, didn't it? 0.89

02:38:01.000 Yeah. 0.88

02:38:02.000 It's crazy to think about.

02:38:04.000 I swear to God, this is always, especially now, because we've been doing these shows together for so many years, that you can go back and look at the things that were so wildly controversial to say then, and And are 100% accurate.

02:38:17.000 And they were totally accurate.

02:38:17.000 And now it's not even controversial at all to say.

02:38:20.000 It's just like, oh yeah, that's common sense now.

02:38:22.000 Yeah, most of those things now.

02:38:24.000 And, you know, it's just...

02:38:27.000 I think these kind of conversations, though, contribute to the public's distrust in mainstream media. 0.99

02:38:33.000 They know what the fucking game is now. 0.98

02:38:36.000 It's a really interesting statement because that's their argument. 0.99

02:38:39.000 You know what I mean?

02:38:41.000 Like, that's CNN's argument about why we need to cancel Joe Rogan.

02:38:44.000 It's because your conversations contribute to the public mistrust.

02:38:48.000 But then, like, my counterargument to that is like, yeah!

02:38:52.000 But that's good, because no one should trust you.

02:38:55.000 You did that to yourself. 1.00

02:38:56.000 Yeah, you guys are a bunch of liars. 1.00

02:38:57.000 Yeah, you're a bunch of liars, and I should have sued you. 1.00

02:39:00.000 I mean, dude, 100%. 1.00

02:39:02.000 Slam dunk.

02:39:03.000 Yeah.

02:39:05.000 I don't want to go to court.

02:39:06.000 I'm not interested in that.

02:39:07.000 I know.

02:39:07.000 Now, that's why.

02:39:08.000 I mean, like, I just want to see them.

02:39:10.000 Also, I felt like, I know how this game gets played out.

02:39:12.000 It's like when you're doing jujitsu with someone, and you're in the half guard, and you're like, I'm getting out of this.

02:39:18.000 I'm getting out of this half guard, and I'm going to mount you. 1.00

02:39:20.000 Yeah, well, it did.

02:39:21.000 I mean, look, it totally blew up in their faces, and they're done.

02:39:26.000 I mean, after the COVID stuff, I don't see any recovery.

02:39:29.000 I think the corporate media is just going to get less and less influence.

02:39:32.000 It's already you see how much it's moved over.

02:39:34.000 Look, one of the big ones to go back to what they do.

02:39:36.000 They were trying to do this with the reorganization of CNN. They were trying to get back to hardcore objective journalism without some sort of editorial bias because they said, listen, this is the only way out of this.

02:39:46.000 Yeah, but even that was never really...

02:39:48.000 It was like, hey, let's not be so blatantly anti-Trump and let's get back to just, you know...

02:39:55.000 Reporting on the news.

02:39:56.000 Yeah, but still protecting all the powerful people.

02:39:59.000 It's not like there was ever really going to be...

02:40:01.000 Look, you're never going to see a discussion on CNN about how, like, you know, you have these think tanks in Washington, D.C. who advocate for war and they're funded by weapons companies.

02:40:13.000 Yeah.

02:40:14.000 What do you think that means?

02:40:15.000 Is that ever once come up on CNN? No.

02:40:18.000 Never.

02:40:18.000 And it never will.

02:40:19.000 Do you think that they would ever have a Anderson Cooper, which is brought to you by Pfizer, investigation into Pfizer?

02:40:25.000 Of course.

02:40:25.000 That seems unlikely.

02:40:26.000 Of course not.

02:40:27.000 Seems unlikely.

02:40:27.000 And look, it's not even, again, take the example of, say, even Chris Cuomo, right?

02:40:32.000 Who now, he's over with Valuetainment with Patrick David, our boy, and all of a sudden he's talking about Vaccine injuries and ivermectin and all this.

02:40:43.000 It's like, well, why is it when you're at CNN, which is, you know, sponsored by the pharmaceutical companies, you don't talk about this.

02:40:50.000 But as soon as you're over here, now it's okay to talk about this.

02:40:53.000 You know, you just you kind of see it like happen that it's like, oh, yeah, no, there are there are There's humongous power centers in America.

02:41:02.000 There's, like, the pharmaceutical industry.

02:41:04.000 There's the banking industry.

02:41:06.000 There's the war industry.

02:41:07.000 There's all these big ones.

02:41:09.000 And none of them ever get really questioned in the corporate media.

02:41:12.000 Like, one little action might be questioned every now and then.

02:41:16.000 But the whole system as a whole never gets questioned.

02:41:20.000 You'll never see, like, a real...

02:41:24.000 You'll never see a piece on CNN about like do we really need a central bank?

02:41:30.000 Does the Federal Reserve do more good for the American people or does it do more good for Wall Street?

02:41:35.000 You know?

02:41:36.000 Like, that conversation will never come up.

02:41:38.000 Never.

02:41:38.000 It won't.

02:41:39.000 You can't have those conversations.

02:41:39.000 Because there's too many powerful people who would be, you know, like, scared by that.

02:41:42.000 And if that's the case, we're never going to have logical solutions to a real informed measure that we could put into place to fix things.

02:41:52.000 It's not going to happen.

02:41:53.000 It's captured by money.

02:41:54.000 But I'm very encouraged by certain things, right?

02:41:57.000 And I'm very...

02:41:57.000 I'll say, Tucker...

02:42:00.000 Getting fired from Fox News and being bigger than he was on Fox News is really amazing.

02:42:06.000 It's pretty wild.

02:42:07.000 Nothing like that's ever happened before.

02:42:08.000 Also wild that he interviewed that dude who said he blew Obama.

02:42:11.000 I was like, yo, I forgot to ask him about that.

02:42:13.000 He got me with the UFOs. 0.92

02:42:15.000 He had an agenda, goddammit. 0.64

02:42:17.000 He came in and got me where I'm soft right off the bat. 0.89

02:42:21.000 Got me with UFO and angel talk.

02:42:23.000 I was like, whoa, this is a good one.

02:42:24.000 It's also pretty funny to just come in here like, hey, Joe Logan, you ever heard of UFOs before?

02:42:28.000 I've Well, I did definitely want to talk to him about that because he's got this very specific perspective that's very biblical.

02:42:38.000 You know, he's got a very religious perspective on it.

02:42:40.000 He thinks it's angels and demons, which is really fascinating.

02:42:43.000 You know, that there's good entities and bad entities and that they've always been here. 0.99

02:42:48.000 Like, that's a mind-fuck and a half. 0.98

02:42:50.000 Yeah, it sure is. 0.99

02:42:52.000 And I don't know, I don't really understand much about it.

02:42:56.000 I also haven't talked to Tucker about that, and I would be interested to, because he will allude to, at points like that, he's had people inside the government kind of confirm things.

02:43:05.000 See, I almost want to ask him, not even on air, just like off air, like, okay, so what exactly was...

02:43:09.000 It's one of the craziest things that Bob Lazar said.

02:43:11.000 And he said this way back in the 1980s.

02:43:14.000 He said there's a very bizarre religious aspect to it.

02:43:18.000 And see if you can find him saying this, because I don't want to paraphrase this.

02:43:23.000 But he said that what they were, he said it's gonna sound crazy to say, but the way they have it described is that human beings are vessels for souls, that we're containers.

02:43:36.000 And that that's why they're interested in us, that we're containers of souls.

02:43:42.000 Now I want you to imagine a scenario where A.I. is ubiquitous in the universe and that this is where intelligent creatures they get to a certain point in their evolution where they create an artificial intelligence and that artificial intelligence is far superior.

02:44:02.000 But in order to do it again on another planet, you kind of have to start the same way you did it on Earth.

02:44:12.000 You gotta start with biological organisms that have souls.

02:44:15.000 So if you want to make intelligent life, you gotta start out with souls.

02:44:18.000 Because you have to have these creatures that have like these human reward systems about breeding and controlling resources and controlling real estate and territory and that those are the ones that are like scrambled to innovate and then they give birth to this superior life form.

02:44:36.000 But the only way to do it again somewhere else is you got to do the same thing.

02:44:39.000 So, like, if you believe that life exists in a similar form all throughout the cosmos, that there's kind of similar fish and kind of similar things, I don't know if that's the case.

02:44:52.000 We have no evidence.

02:44:53.000 But if that's how, if what we're seeing in these different galaxies, what we're seeing in these different solar systems that we observe is planets in these Goldilocks zones, if that was the case, That the way to get these things to keep doing,

02:45:10.000 you need to get, it's the soul.

02:45:12.000 It's the thing inside the living organism that's causing biological evolution, the actually essence of the creature.

02:45:20.000 That this thing is what's going to determine whether or not it hits the innovation level required to achieve artificial intelligence, and then that's what they are.

02:45:29.000 So what we are to them is like these little soul containers, because you don't have souls anymore. 0.94

02:45:36.000 How about that mindfuck? 1.00

02:45:37.000 Listen, it is a mindfuck. 1.00

02:45:45.000 I want to go back to the religion thing. 0.99

02:45:52.000 I want you to say it.

02:45:58.000 Alright, your objection has been noted.

02:46:00.000 What does it say?

02:46:03.000 That we're containers.

02:46:04.000 That's how supposedly the aliens look at us.

02:46:08.000 That we are nothing but containers.

02:46:09.000 Containers of?

02:46:11.000 Containers.

02:46:12.000 Maybe containers of souls.

02:46:14.000 You can come up with whatever theory you want, but we're containers.

02:46:17.000 And that's how we're mentioned in the documents.

02:46:20.000 That religion was specifically created, so we have some rules and regulations for the sole purpose of not damaging the containers.

02:46:30.000 Wrap your head around that.

02:46:33.000 We're about five years away from talking to a robot, Dave Smith, that's indiscernible from you. 0.99

02:46:40.000 And if that thing has quantum computing power in its fucking metal head, And it becomes another version of life, a much more superior version of life. 0.95

02:46:54.000 And then they keep doing that forever all throughout the cosmos. 0.99

02:46:57.000 But the only way to get there...

02:46:58.000 Are you going to start having AI Dave on the podcast instead of me?

02:47:01.000 I want them to do my ads for me.

02:47:03.000 I'll hire AI Joe to do my ads for me.

02:47:05.000 You still want to do the podcast?

02:47:07.000 Just reading ads.

02:47:08.000 Well, I don't want AI Joe to do the podcast because AI Joe is going to have to rely on all of my opinions I formed up until now.

02:47:16.000 And I might change them tomorrow.

02:47:18.000 Yeah.

02:47:19.000 I can't have AI Joe assume it's going to know how I think about things because I don't know how I think about things.

02:47:24.000 I like to be open-minded to the point where I'm willing to take into consideration new ways of looking at things, new possibilities.

02:47:31.000 I don't know if AI is going to do that.

02:47:33.000 It's going to be too smart for that.

02:47:35.000 Yeah, maybe.

02:47:36.000 I mean, it is an interesting, it is such an interesting thing.

02:47:39.000 But on the point of containers, isn't there something, and I'm literally just kind of thinking out loud as I say this, but there is kind of something where we all do accept to some degree that that's true, that we're kind of container.

02:47:49.000 I mean, like, just in the sense that...

02:47:51.000 Have you seen A Dead Body?

02:47:52.000 Well, right.

02:47:52.000 If you look at a dead body, it's like...

02:47:55.000 It's empty.

02:47:55.000 Yeah.

02:47:56.000 You don't look at that like, oh, there's that.

02:47:58.000 You're like, no, let's put that in the ground, because what we think of as the person is gone.

02:48:03.000 I'm not saying there's anything controversial about that statement, like an atheist or a religious person or anyone would kind of agree with that.

02:48:10.000 But it's something we all just kind of take for granted.

02:48:13.000 But if you really think about it, it is like...

02:48:15.000 The magic of what makes us us is something that's being contained by this meat shell.

02:48:20.000 Yeah.

02:48:21.000 And it's different.

02:48:21.000 It's not the same thing.

02:48:23.000 And it's not really anything that we, at least at our level of scientific understanding, can really tangibly measure.

02:48:30.000 Right.

02:48:30.000 Like, what is it from the reductionist atheist position?

02:48:33.000 Like, electromagnetic waves in your brain?

02:48:35.000 Right.

02:48:35.000 And then when that goes, it's just a piece of meat now again?

02:48:38.000 I don't know.

02:48:39.000 It's a little bizarre.

02:48:40.000 Maybe.

02:48:40.000 We don't really understand it.

02:48:41.000 And then the thing is, like, okay, if we have souls, do other animals have souls, too?

02:48:45.000 It sure seems like dogs do.

02:48:47.000 Dogs definitely do.

02:48:49.000 There's a weird relationship that we have with dogs.

02:48:53.000 It's very strange.

02:48:55.000 My dog is basically my son.

02:48:57.000 He's like my dog son.

02:48:59.000 I mean, I think of him like a person.

02:49:03.000 Like he snuggles with me.

02:49:04.000 He's probably more affectionate to me than anybody in my house.

02:49:09.000 Daughters give you attitude. 1.00

02:49:10.000 Their son's just cool.

02:49:11.000 They don't snuggle with their dad on the couch.

02:49:13.000 But he just like, when I watch TV, he hops up on top of me and puts his head on my chest and he watches fights with me.

02:49:19.000 He chills with me.

02:49:21.000 He's a golden retriever and those are like also the just friendliest like they're the most loving and lovable dogs. 0.98

02:49:30.000 They're so lovable and he's so enthusiastic like we went swimming yesterday and this fucking dog will not because he's not hot if he's swimming So he's got crazy endurance. 0.96

02:49:42.000 So he just keeps going for an hour and 15 minutes. 0.99

02:49:44.000 I threw the ball into the water and he fucking leaps off the deck into the water and gets the ball and comes back out, drops it at your feet. 0.99

02:49:51.000 Let's go. 0.99

02:49:51.000 Let's go again. 0.99

02:49:52.000 You know how hyped a UFC fighter gets right before the fight?

02:49:56.000 It's like, dude, dogs just have that energy always if you want to do anything.

02:50:01.000 You want to go in the car?

02:50:02.000 They're like, let's go!

02:50:03.000 Go! 1.00

02:50:03.000 Let's fucking do this! 1.00

02:50:05.000 Yeah, he goes crazy and whimpering. 1.00

02:50:06.000 I could barely get the collar on him.

02:50:07.000 He's spinning around in circles.

02:50:08.000 I'm like, sit still, dude.

02:50:10.000 Yeah, and he will never stop being enthusiastic about the ball.

02:50:14.000 I threw the ball for him this morning, and I always think, today's going to be a day. 0.99

02:50:18.000 He's tired of this fucking ball. 1.00

02:50:20.000 No! 1.00

02:50:20.000 It's like, oh, the fucking ball! 1.00

02:50:22.000 He's got the ball! 1.00

02:50:23.000 Woo! 0.99

02:50:25.000 He starts spinning around in circles.

02:50:27.000 He jumps up towards it.

02:50:29.000 It's hilarious.

02:50:30.000 He never loses enthusiasm.

02:50:32.000 There's got to be something that we can learn from that.

02:50:35.000 Because we get comfortable with familiarity and we get bored with things.

02:50:39.000 We don't want to do the same thing over and over and over again if it's that simple, like chasing a ball.

02:50:43.000 But the enthusiasm that he had, the first time he chased the ball, he has the exact same, maybe more so, because now he knows it's fun.

02:50:49.000 Yeah.

02:50:50.000 So he can't wait to do it again.

02:50:51.000 But there's something about, like, because dogs are, I think, essentially, right, like, we bred them to be kind of like babyish wolves.

02:50:57.000 Like, they're wolves that are kind of kept in a perpetual state of immaturity.

02:51:01.000 Almost in a way.

02:51:02.000 Some of them, yeah.

02:51:03.000 But basically, I think the qualities that you see in baby wolves, like a baby wolf will be almost indistinguishable in terms of how they could be domesticated from a puppy.

02:51:14.000 But it's as they grow older that you're going to... 0.99

02:51:16.000 They don't take your bullshit. 1.00

02:51:16.000 Right, right. 1.00

02:51:17.000 So it's almost like we kind of kept the traits that keep you young.

02:51:21.000 Because it's the same thing with having little kids.

02:51:24.000 Which is what they're trying to do to men. 0.99

02:51:26.000 It does seem like there's an attempt to kind of domesticate and soften.

02:51:31.000 Yeah.

02:51:32.000 Keep men as like 13-year-old boys that follow the rules. 1.00

02:51:36.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

02:51:39.000 Yeah, the wolf thing is really interesting because I am generally opposed to a weakening of a life form for human pleasure. 1.00

02:51:50.000 Like, that's bizarre that you take a fucking wolf and turn it into Carl over there, but that's what happened. 0.97

02:51:58.000 That's what happened. 0.99

02:51:59.000 Carl's cute, but he's not much of a wolf.

02:52:00.000 But I love Carl.

02:52:01.000 So, like, I'm conflicted.

02:52:03.000 Like, part of me loves dogs, and the other part of me, like, I love wolves.

02:52:07.000 I want them to be wolves.

02:52:08.000 Well, there still are wolves out there. 0.99

02:52:10.000 We took those bitch-ass wolves that didn't want to hunt, and they wanted to come by the fire. 1.00

02:52:14.000 And we're like, hey, bark if a fucking bear comes by, will you? 1.00

02:52:17.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:52:17.000 Throw your bone. 1.00

02:52:18.000 And then they made friends.

02:52:20.000 And then the wolves started drooping their ears to let you know I'm your friend.

02:52:23.000 I'm your buddy.

02:52:25.000 Do you know about the Russian fox experiment?

02:52:27.000 No.

02:52:27.000 They did it in Russia.

02:52:28.000 They did this experiment where they wanted to see how quickly they could change a fox's...

02:52:36.000 Overall appearance, their behavior, and so what they did was they had these captive foxes.

02:52:40.000 Like through breeding?

02:52:41.000 Yes. 1.00

02:52:42.000 Through breeding and natural selection, meaning shooting in the fucking head. 1.00

02:52:47.000 So whenever a fox was aggressive in any way, shape, or form towards humans, bang, dead. 1.00

02:52:52.000 Next one.

02:52:52.000 They can't breed.

02:52:54.000 So the only ones that breed are like, don't shoot me. 1.00

02:52:56.000 And so they probably are pretty aware, you know, through the zeitgeist that these fucking foxes are getting shot. 0.99

02:53:04.000 You know, there's like something in the air. 0.99

02:53:06.000 There's probably some psychic in the, you know, morphic resonance, something in the field that lets them know, hey, people are getting shot out here. 1.00

02:53:12.000 Like, you gotta be nice to these fucking humans. 0.99

02:53:15.000 See that thing he's got in his hand? 1.00

02:53:16.000 That thing will kill you with a squeeze of his finger.

02:53:20.000 And so they, over a very short period of time, turned them into completely different animals that had big eyes, fluffy ears, ears that fell down and soft.

02:53:30.000 Their jaws got smaller.

02:53:32.000 They became more cute.

02:53:34.000 I remember seeing one of those famous documentaries about dogs, but I thought this was always very interesting to me, is that one of the major differences between wolves and dogs Is that they do this experiment where they'll put a piece of meat and it's in a cage.

02:53:53.000 And the wolf or dog can't get to it.

02:53:56.000 And the wolf will bang against the cage and try to get it over and over and over again.

02:53:59.000 We'll just never stop.

02:54:00.000 We'll just never stop doing it.

02:54:02.000 But the dog will try to get it a couple times and then looks to the person.

02:54:07.000 And that's like one of the differences is that it's like been ingrained in dogs that you're also their partner You know like they'll look to you and be like hey, buddy I know you got a few IQ points on me Any idea how to get this meat out of this here cage and like that's so deep in them Well not only that the wolf would never think dogs look to you as the leader right wolf never thinks you're the leader Yeah, 1.00

02:54:28.000 yeah, especially an unfixed male wolf shut the fuck up sit you say sit Who the fuck are you talking to, bitch? 1.00

02:54:37.000 Don't you read Little Word Widing Hood? 1.00

02:54:38.000 That's me, motherfucker. 1.00

02:54:40.000 I eat people. 0.99

02:54:41.000 They had, in the same documentary, I can't remember what it's called, but they did, they had this experiment where people were just trying to raise wolves, like, domesticate them from puppies and raise them, and it was interesting to see, like, it's as they start to get into, like, adolescence and stuff, and the wolves would be attached to them,

02:54:56.000 because they had raised them since they were little puppies, but you can't train them the way you can train a dog.

02:55:00.000 You can't tell what to do. 1.00

02:55:03.000 Yeah, fuck off. 1.00

02:55:03.000 They're not responding to down or here, boy. 1.00

02:55:06.000 None of that's happening.

02:55:07.000 That's food.

02:55:08.000 I'm gonna eat that food.

02:55:08.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:55:09.000 Fuck you. 1.00

02:55:10.000 Did you see that video that was online today? 1.00

02:55:13.000 I think it's El Cerritos, California.

02:55:15.000 There's a wolf running down the street.

02:55:16.000 No, I didn't see this.

02:55:17.000 Yeah.

02:55:18.000 Wild.

02:55:18.000 It's a big boy, too.

02:55:20.000 A big wolf running down the street. 1.00

02:55:22.000 And this guy's driving, and his car's like, is that a fucking wolf? 1.00

02:55:25.000 Dude, there's a fucking wolf running down the street in El Cerritos, California. 1.00

02:55:29.000 Where is that? 1.00

02:55:31.000 I don't know.

02:55:31.000 Somewhere, California?

02:55:33.000 I think it's near Redwood or Redlands.

02:55:36.000 It's from a year ago.

02:55:37.000 Oh, is it?

02:55:38.000 Yep, that's it.

02:55:41.000 That's from a year ago. 0.91

02:55:42.000 Bro, that's a big-ass wolf in a street.

02:55:44.000 That's an urban street. 0.82

02:55:45.000 Look at that.

02:55:46.000 That's a big wolf, man.

02:55:48.000 Yeah, it sure is.

02:55:49.000 That thing's big.

02:55:50.000 When you see them and you think, what would a dog look like there?

02:55:53.000 That's when it really dawns on you how big these things are.

02:55:56.000 It's like a 150-pound wolf.

02:55:58.000 I'm guessing.

02:55:59.000 Might be less.

02:56:01.000 Over a hundred.

02:56:02.000 But it's running down the street.

02:56:04.000 Like, hey.

02:56:05.000 Yeah, like it's not worried at all.

02:56:07.000 It's like...

02:56:08.000 It's going to eat your dog! 1.00

02:56:10.000 Yeah.

02:56:10.000 It's 100% going to eat dogs.

02:56:11.000 Especially if you've got a little dog.

02:56:13.000 A little dog's in trouble.

02:56:15.000 Yeah, it'll eat coyotes too, by the way.

02:56:16.000 It's going to kill them too.

02:56:18.000 There's a weird...

02:56:18.000 I remember reading this book, I believe it was Before the Dawn, I believe, by Nicholas Wade.

02:56:25.000 And it's like a book on evolution.

02:56:26.000 And there was a whole chapter about dogs and humans and how we evolved together.

02:56:31.000 But it is this weird thing.

02:56:32.000 So you could look at a Yorkie or something like that. 0.87

02:56:37.000 And you could go like, well, look, this thing couldn't survive a second.

02:56:41.000 It couldn't get its own food for a second.

02:56:43.000 And you'd be like, well, isn't this a flaw in evolution or something?

02:56:46.000 But then you also realize that you could argue that it's basically one thing.

02:56:50.000 The evolutionary race because it has this human species that just does all of the work for them.

02:56:55.000 And carries it. 0.98

02:56:55.000 Yeah, literally carries it, cleans its ass, puts food down for it, and you're like, oh yeah, this did work out pretty well for that thing. 0.98

02:57:02.000 Worked out great. 0.99

02:57:03.000 It is.

02:57:04.000 It's going to work out great for men too.

02:57:06.000 Yeah.

02:57:10.000 I don't know, but who gets to be in charge?

02:57:12.000 Here's a good question.

02:57:12.000 Would it go back to wolves?

02:57:15.000 So, like, imagine if there was some sort of apocalyptic scenario, all the power went off, most human beings are dead, but a lot of dogs survive. 0.98

02:57:24.000 I think, like, I think, you know, my guess, and this is a totally, like, just, like, just keep in mind I'm an idiot, I have no idea what I'm talking about, but... 0.76

02:57:33.000 I think, like, if you're making an argument, would a German Shepherd? 0.93

02:57:36.000 Would eventually, like, if they were just left out of the...

02:57:38.000 Would it just breed, like, the harshest and toughest and most survivors?

02:57:42.000 Maybe not wolf, but you'd get some wolf-like creature.

02:57:45.000 That Yorkie isn't going to make it to Generation 2. I've seen Yorkies. 1.00

02:57:48.000 No, Yorkies... 1.00

02:57:48.000 A hawk's going to take that thing away. 1.00

02:57:50.000 Yorkies aren't going to make it, but the dogs that are probably the closest to wolves probably would make it.

02:57:55.000 Yeah.

02:57:55.000 Especially in cold climates, right?

02:57:57.000 So now they're outdoors.

02:57:58.000 So now Huskies and things that are pretty...

02:58:00.000 Like Kitas, kind of wolfish...

02:58:02.000 Wolf-like-ish.

02:58:03.000 Well, you'd come up with some badass version of them that are killers again, that wouldn't be trained.

02:58:08.000 It'd be almost like they're not kept in childhood.

02:58:11.000 They'd become kind of grown-ups again. 0.98

02:58:12.000 What is that one crazy Russian dog? 1.00

02:58:15.000 I know we've talked about it before. 0.97

02:58:17.000 It's this one huge...

02:58:19.000 They use them to fight off wolves.

02:58:22.000 They use them to protect flocks.

02:58:26.000 Yeah, Caucasian Shepherd. 0.97

02:58:28.000 Show me some images of the Caucasian Shepherd. 0.99

02:58:31.000 It's fucking enormous. 0.99

02:58:33.000 Look what that thing looks like. 0.98

02:58:34.000 Show me some images.

02:58:36.000 Okay. 0.98

02:58:39.000 They look fucking terrifying. 1.00

02:58:41.000 They look like super wolves. 1.00

02:58:42.000 Look at that giant fucking thing! 1.00

02:58:46.000 So that went the other way. 1.00

02:58:47.000 They developed something that can fuck wolves up. 0.98

02:58:51.000 Because they needed something to protect their flocks. 1.00

02:58:55.000 They needed someone to protect their sheep and shit. 1.00

02:58:58.000 Look at the size of that fucking thing! 1.00

02:59:00.000 Bro, that thing's so huge! 1.00

02:59:01.000 I think they're like 200 pounds.

02:59:04.000 And they have fur everywhere, so they're probably really hard to bite.

02:59:06.000 Look at the size of that thing, where it's hopping on that lady's shoulders. 1.00

02:59:10.000 Good lord.

02:59:12.000 So there's another one, that other one, the Caucasian, that one I think is even more ferocious. 1.00

02:59:19.000 I think.

02:59:20.000 I might be wrong. 0.99

02:59:24.000 Bro, fucking size of that thing though! 0.99

02:59:27.000 Look at the size, even with perspective. 1.00

02:59:30.000 Look at that thing! 0.99

02:59:31.000 Yeah, these are very ferocious.

02:59:33.000 Tibetan Mastiffs, yes. 0.89

02:59:36.000 I see your Tibetan Mastiff, I raise you this Caucasian. 1.00

02:59:40.000 Right. 0.99

02:59:40.000 Tibetan Mastiffs are another crazy looking animal too. 0.99

02:59:43.000 Dude, that guy looks like the guy who would have those dogs.

02:59:47.000 Look at that thing. 1.00

02:59:48.000 If you're a wolf, you're like, ah, fuck! 1.00

02:59:51.000 It's basically the Brock Lesnar of wolves, you know? 1.00

02:59:55.000 Everybody else is a welterweight, and this motherfucker shows up, like, the size of that thing, dude. 0.99

02:59:58.000 Yeah, you better heel hook that wolf. 1.00

03:00:00.000 Yeah, bro, you're done. 0.73

03:00:02.000 That thing, you can't, you're not even gonna get through all that fur to bite him. 1.00

03:00:07.000 Yeah.

03:00:08.000 It's like a lion's mane.

03:00:10.000 It's like literally like there to protect from the cold and bites.

03:00:15.000 It really does look like what the Russians would do with a dog. 0.98

03:00:18.000 Of course that's what you did.

03:00:19.000 Of course!

03:00:20.000 We're making little poodle mixtures over here.

03:00:23.000 The Russians are coming up. 1.00

03:00:24.000 You're like, ah shit, we should have been doing that. 0.99

03:00:26.000 Of course the French made Carl too. 1.00

03:00:27.000 We should have been doing that this whole time.

03:00:29.000 You're telling me we can't produce munitions like the Russians and our dogs have to fight those dogs when the war goes down? 1.00

03:00:34.000 Imagine.

03:00:35.000 Yeah.

03:00:36.000 Yeah.

03:00:38.000 I think we covered you all, Dave Smith.

03:00:40.000 Anything else?

03:00:41.000 Well, I think that should save the world for now.

03:00:44.000 This is not...

03:00:46.000 It's a long...

03:00:47.000 It's a process.

03:00:48.000 There's going to be many podcasts before...

03:00:50.000 We're going to have to do this a thousand times to save the old world. 0.92

03:00:54.000 And the new world is going to be unstoppable.

03:00:57.000 That's my fear.

03:00:58.000 Well, I gotta tell you, I'm almost at the point with this world where I'm like, ah, let's roll the dice on these new overlords.

03:01:06.000 Well, hopefully things will balance out and be much more logical when they're not run by humans.

03:01:12.000 Well, I still believe in humans.

03:01:14.000 I think the monopoly of information is broken.

03:01:19.000 Ron Paul will become president within the next 10 years.

03:01:22.000 They'll just reverse his age.

03:01:23.000 That's right.

03:01:24.000 That's what they do.

03:01:25.000 They just put Ron on all sorts of crazy signs.

03:01:27.000 If we can do that, if we can get Ron Paul young again, then this country's got a good chance.

03:01:33.000 Ron Paul needs to get on some daily NAD drips.

03:01:36.000 And start testosterone therapy and get on the peptides and NMN. Gotta change his vitamin routine.

03:01:47.000 He's doing pretty good.

03:01:48.000 I think he's 89, 88, something like that.

03:01:52.000 And very coherent.

03:01:53.000 And he's on top of it.

03:01:54.000 And every time his show comes on, he's like, okay, here's the latest of what's going on in China.

03:02:00.000 And knows everything.

03:02:01.000 He's just read everything about what's happening.

03:02:04.000 Extraordinary. 1.00

03:02:04.000 Dave Smith, you're the fucking man. 1.00

03:02:06.000 I love you, brother. 1.00

03:02:07.000 It's always great to talk to you.

03:02:08.000 And stay offline for a couple days.

03:02:11.000 It's gonna get ugly.

03:02:12.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - May 21, 2024

Joe Rogan Experience #2153 - Dave Smith

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