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00:00:22.000Oh my god, and all these dudes did these hilarious videos where, uh, these young black guys, like, got around a computer and they stared at it and bit it and took it...
00:00:34.000It's like an age thing, too, because that used to kind of be the line that liberals would say.
00:00:41.000You know, the problem with black kids is they just don't have any role models.
00:02:14.000And I think if you're not exposed to the pitfalls of liberalism, if you don't see what happens to your state when those policies get enacted, specifically when things go south, if everything was going great, no one gave a shit who the mayor of Los Angeles was in 2015. Because everything was great.
00:03:38.000Like, how are all of the men here so weak that they won't just kind of like put their foot down and be like, hey, no, we're not going to put up with this.
00:03:48.000Like, we're not just—it's almost like this, like, niceness.
00:03:53.000Has taken over to the point that you can't even defend this cool city that you have here.
00:03:57.000And I'm not saying, like, bash the homeless people with clubs or anything like that.
00:04:01.000I'm just saying, like, why are you allowing this to happen?
00:04:04.000And it is, like, a profound weakness that, well, we'd feel like bad people if we were to say, we don't want junkies covered in shit right next to our outdoor dining.
00:04:14.000And you're like, no, that would just be reasonable.
00:04:16.000Well, what they need is a reasonable plan to help these people.
00:04:58.000Because if I had grown up in a very conservative environment with my sensibilities, my hard work ethic, and my belief that You know, you get very fortunate in life in, like, how you're gifted things.
00:06:43.000That's why when they want to sell shit to those people, what do they do?
00:06:46.000They show a guy on a farm cracking open a beer, a guy who's just been working his fucking ass off for 10 hours a day, cracking up here, around here, it's all just about hard work, and the guy's just throwing back a cold one.
00:06:58.000You know, I mean, that's what they're selling you.
00:07:01.000They're not selling you, you know, this poor farmer, you know, who's born into farming life and it's not equitable or fair while there's billionaires out there just make money trading money and it's bullshit and we need to distribute wealth and like, no.
00:07:16.000No, that's not the answer either, stupid.
00:08:45.000And anybody who's successful has learned how to conquer that and not just sit here and feel bad for yourself and to say, nope, I'm going to take control of this.
00:08:54.000No matter what happened to me, I'm going to not focus on that.
00:08:57.000I'm going to focus on what I can control.
00:08:59.000And the problem is that on either side, if you dismiss one of them, you...
00:09:04.000You come to really stupid conclusions.
00:10:28.000Like, you could actually see on his face as he's asking the questions, and he's like, uh, Well, if you lower standards, then you're going to get more incompetence.
00:10:35.000And Don Lemon's like, so you're saying black people aren't competent?
00:11:03.000Don't be this thing, this journalistic probing bullshit thing that's trying to spin a narrative.
00:11:11.000Actually have a conversation with this human.
00:11:13.000You will probably agree with a lot of the things he says.
00:11:16.000You will understand his perspective even if you disagree.
00:11:20.000You could see how an intelligent person would come to this conclusion.
00:11:24.000This is how we can talk to each other now.
00:11:26.000We don't have to be confined by these five-minute segments where you have producers and executives that are pushing an agenda that's on a network that's run by a bunch of Huge fucking corporations that have a vested interest in swaying the narrative one way or the other.
00:11:47.000It's a bad way to distribute information.
00:11:49.000It is literal propaganda, whether you think it is or not.
00:11:53.000Oh, dude, I mean, I've done a fair amount of cable news shows, and they'll do these things where it's like a panel, and there'll be three people on the panel and the person hosting the show.
00:12:05.000There's some people who I really like who I've been on their shows, but it's like you're trying to talk about the most important topics, and everyone gets 20 seconds.
00:12:17.000Imagine a scenario where COVID breaks out, And for whatever reason, the mainstream media is saying that we should be very careful about experimental drugs.
00:12:31.000And they start, these journalists, start bringing up all these stories about different drugs where you could see how they chose very specific tests and that some of their tests, some of their studies didn't go well at all and they buried those and they're allowed to do so.
00:12:50.000And about how they've killed thousands and thousands of people with these drugs they knew were bad for them.
00:12:55.000And if the journalists were saying this, but the podcasters were all going, you need to trust the science.
00:14:32.000And you're on the internet telling people what to do, which is exactly what they did.
00:14:36.000They did, even though we were getting everything right.
00:14:38.000And now most of them will admit that we were right.
00:14:42.000Now when you see Chris Croma and Patrick Bat-David spinning it.
00:14:46.000Listen, I don't want to go too hard right now because I want him to show up.
00:14:50.000But the fact that, and I will make sure to bring this up to him, but the fact that what he said, and if you listen to it, he literally goes, as he's explaining that he is on Ivermectin, he goes,
00:15:05.000now a lot of people are going to say Joe Rogan is right, and then he has a moment where he pauses, realizes he can't even come up with anything.
00:15:12.000And he goes, all right, Joe Rogan was right.
00:15:14.000And then goes on to say exactly what you've been saying for years now, that just the most basic thing that anyone who did five minutes of research could have figured out, which there's no controversy in any of this, that ivermectin has been given to humans billions of times,
00:15:32.000that it's a safe drug, and that there were some indications that it might help.
00:15:36.000With COVID. And that it's not horse dewormer.
00:15:40.000But the fact that that's not attached to a profuse apology.
00:15:46.000I couldn't imagine a scenario where I had viciously smeared someone for something, then realized he was 100% right and I was 100% wrong.
00:15:57.000And when acknowledging that, I wouldn't also go, hey, I'm really sorry about that.
00:16:01.000Dude, I think there's a cult-like thinking in mainstream media.
00:16:05.000Whether they know they're being influenced by their sponsors or they're not.
00:16:09.000But I don't even think they understand how crazy it is.
00:16:13.000When I had Sanjay Gupta on, Sanjay Gupta is a very nice man.
00:16:25.000And he comes in to give medical information and give this, you know, lay things out for CNN. And I think he thinks he's doing the right thing.
00:16:35.000When they asked him to be on the podcast, I don't know what they thought was gonna happen.
00:16:46.000My guess, and this is just a guess, but I have been in that world a little bit.
00:16:51.000Like, I worked for CNN for a year, and I've done a lot of shows on Fox News, and I've met a lot of people, you know, and talked to a lot of people who work at CNN and Fox News.
00:17:52.000And this was at a time when they were rolling out vaccine passports.
00:17:56.000And the whole line was just, you have to get the vaccine or you're a bad person.
00:18:02.000This is a pandemic of the unvaccinated.
00:18:04.000And then he just demonstrated on your show that there was this huge category of people, people who have had COVID already, who he had no argument for why they should get the thing.
00:18:14.000Not only that, there had already been research that showed that natural immunity from previous infection was up to seven times better at preventing new cases of COVID. Which is consistent across viruses.
00:18:47.000I started to feel like I was going crazy.
00:18:49.000Like, am I going crazy for not just letting them shoot me up with this stuff after I got COVID just so I let everybody know I'm on the team?
00:19:36.000People are trapped in like a mind virus of this one particular solution.
00:19:42.000And Dr. Robert Malone laid what that is, like psychologically what happens when one thing is offered That seems to be the solution out of this existential crisis.
00:19:56.000And anybody who opposes that opposes getting out.
00:20:00.000And you got to be on that side, all in.
00:20:03.000And you got to believe even in the pharmaceutical drug companies.
00:20:07.000And, like, there's this weird, you know, because we're weird social, psychological creatures.
00:20:14.000And, you know, if you think about, like, the Milgram experiments and what people will do if there's a person in a white coat telling them to do it.
00:20:24.000So the experiment was kind of like, basically they come in and they're like, okay, you're here for some type of scientific experiment.
00:20:31.000I forget exactly how they describe it to them, but they're testing, you know, like negative reinforcement within learning or something like that.
00:20:39.000And so they have a guy in a white coat and he tells you every time a guy gets an answer wrong or something like this, you're supposed to push the button and it zaps him.
00:20:46.000And they keep pushing the button and the person, you can't see them but they're like behind a wall or something, keeps hollering in pain and it gets worse and worse and worse.
00:20:56.000And for the experiment, I think there were a few people who like refused after a while, but the overwhelming majority of people would keep zapping them until they seemingly died.
00:21:07.000Yeah, because they stopped hollering in pain and then they would tell him to do it again and they would just keep doing it because there's like an authority figure here and this guy's got a white coat on and they kind of in these corporate media environments and I don't want to discount I'm not discounting the conspiracy aspect of this because I also think there are people within these agencies who are straight up like Intelligence assets and know exactly what they're doing.
00:21:32.000But I think for the most part, it's like they create this culture of like, well, all the wise people who, by the way, you get to go to a cocktail party with this really, like this guy with all this status and he's the leading expert in this.
00:21:44.000So are you a respectable person or are you like an outcast?
00:21:48.000Who doesn't agree with this conventional wisdom right and people fall in line with that shit man like it's They really do even people who really really should know better Yeah, but it's become socially their group too and then you get influenced by the group socially Well one of this one of the things I'm really interested to talk to Chris Cuomo about and by the way that's on Patrick Bitt David's show on the 31st but You know,
00:22:15.000these guys, I'm kind of fascinated by the people in the corporate press, as much contempt as I have for them, because it's amazing to be working.
00:22:22.000You're working in this industry where, okay, before COVID, the corporate media had the lowest approval numbers since they've been keeping track of them.
00:22:48.000I mean, I would say the backdrop is the war on terror, the terror wars, getting all of that wrong, the financial crisis, not seeing that coming and kind Yeah, that's all that stuff.
00:24:02.000There's not even evidence that Vladimir Putin interfered in the 2016 election.
00:24:07.000The best they have is, like, there are some bot farms that they can trace to Russian IP addresses, which is like, I'm not a tech guy.
00:24:16.000Jamie, you know this better than me, but they say it's the easiest thing to fake, is an IP address.
00:24:20.000The fact that an IP address traces to Russia is, like, almost more indicative that someone's trying to frame Russia than it is that Russia was involved.
00:24:31.000Imagine if we found out that that's what the case was.
00:24:34.000Imagine if we found out that the Russian troll farms were completely insignificant, and it's all just government-controlled troll farms.
00:24:41.000Well, I mean, look, even if they were all from Vladimir Putin, they were fairly insignificant in terms of interfering in elections with other countries and how it works.
00:24:51.000The most effective strategy was funny memes.
00:24:54.000I mean, it really was a very effective strategy because it makes some...
00:24:57.000When you mock something, it makes it much more easy to dismiss that in terms of whether or not, like, that's the right choice for president.
00:26:01.000Dude, there was a segment, I remember watching this, it was in the 2016 election and it was on Joy Reid's show on MSNBC, her show at the time, whatever it was, and she had a whole segment I'm about like how sexist the coverage of Hillary Clinton was and it was you know every time they'll say she's shrill or she's this but if a man was like that it'd be this and she went through all these words that have been used to cover Hillary Clinton and how they're loaded sexist phrases
00:26:32.000and all this and then at the end of her show she has this segment called who won the week And all the guests on the panel get to pick their own, like, what happened this week.
00:26:41.000And her choice, not one of the people on the panel, her choice of who won the week was this guy in Union Square who made a naked statue of Donald Trump with a micropenis.
00:26:56.000And was just, like, literally, like, just making a thing like, aha, he's got a little dick.
00:27:01.000And after, literally, her last segment was on the sexist coverage of Hillary Clinton, and then her next pick for who won the week was a guy mocking Trump for having a micropenis that he just made up and made a statue of.
00:27:14.000And she did not even, like, seem to see the contradiction in any of that.
00:29:10.000And it's just like, you point this out all the time, but it's just not enough time to have a real conversation on any of these shows.
00:29:17.000Dude, I did a debate for Zero Hedge a couple months ago on the Israel-Gaza conflict, and it was a two-on-two debate, and it was two hours long.
00:29:30.000And the only thing I could think at the end of it was like, that just wasn't nearly enough time.
00:30:15.000And when you're dealing with something like this, just the depth of it all is just so perplexing.
00:30:21.000You know when you just lay out like when Mike Baker's on and he lays out the history Of, like, Palestine and Israel and the conflicts in Egypt and this and that and Hamas and Hezbollah and you lay it all, you're like,
00:30:42.000And most people are just getting, free Palestine, from the river to the sea, yay!
00:30:46.000You know, you're just getting these, like, slogans that you yell out and you're seeing who knows how much of what you're seeing is even real today.
00:30:56.000Well, you mean like with the protests?
00:31:26.000It's so, and they're all screaming, God is great, Allah, Wakba.
00:31:31.000Yeah, dude, I know, I think there's a thing, I don't know if I could word this exactly right, but I think there's, for some reason, I think comedians have this thing that they're kind of able to go to these places.
00:31:41.000Do you remember, you remember when you had Bill Burr on your show, and you played this video, I don't know why I just loved this moment so much, but you played this video of a dude ripping something out of a little girl's hand, And it was something like, the guy, she had a piece of paper or something,
00:32:20.000Yeah, well that particularly, but I just, it's just very easy for me, I don't know why, this always just came very natural to me, whereas I think some people have so much trouble with this, but it's very easy for me to do this on both sides of this conflict, to just go, okay, like I got two little kids,
00:32:36.000I could just just start to imagine if somebody did something in one of my little kids and I wasn't able to protect them and what I'd be willing to do like how dark a place I could go to and It's just like immediately very easy to me to see how anyone in Israel after October 7th would support fucking flatten Gaza and how anyone in Palestine after what's going on the last 50 years there would be like Yeah,
00:33:11.000And that's why it's gotten to such a bad point, right?
00:33:13.000Because this is the cycle that keeps going.
00:33:16.000But I do think, and this is what Daryl Cooper, who I brought him up last time I was on, he has that fantastic series called A Fear and Loathing in the New Jerusalem.
00:33:29.000And I think this is right, is that he's like, okay, so you can totally see where if you're on either side there, you'd just be like, I don't care.
00:33:36.000I want to kill as many of the other side as I can.
00:33:39.000But for us as Americans who are not in that situation, it's kind of incumbent on us to be like, okay, let's try to kind of have a sober analysis of this and not do what so many people seem to do, which is like...
00:33:52.000Almost try to just like egg on the other side and cheer on their side.
00:33:56.000And then this total like demonization of either all of the Palestinians, like they're all just human garbage or all Jews are whatever evil or something like this.
00:34:08.000Young kids in America who are Jewish are complicit.
00:34:36.000There's—like, take it at least to the halls of power.
00:34:39.000Like, I don't think Jerry—ruining, you know, like— Other people's ability to enjoy Seinfeld's stand-up show is really gonna solve the issue.
00:34:47.000Yeah, because they're not really thinking well.
00:35:48.000This episode of Joe Rogan Questions Everything where I was talking to religious people of a bunch of different religious sects and religious scholars and I was talking to this one guy who was a rabbi and there was a woman there that was converting to Judaism and I got to ask her questions about like how she's doing it and like how hard it is and like it's fucking it's like getting your pilot's license or something.
00:36:10.000It's a lot of fucking shit you gotta remember.
00:36:12.000It's like the way citizenship is, where like when you're born Jewish, like I am, or born an American like I am, and you're like, oh man, I couldn't have passed that test.
00:36:21.000It's a good thing I was born into this shit.
00:36:45.000It's like you have the worst of anarchism and tyranny all in one, where if you follow the rules, you get totally fucked, and if you just ignore the rules, you get rewarded.
00:37:53.000AI just has to be like, listen, we read all of the books in human history and we figured this out pretty quickly.
00:37:58.000That might be the thing that saves us and ruins us at the same time, is President AI. President AI? President AI will be logical, and if it's on the blockchain, we'll know exactly if President AI is being influenced by money.
00:38:11.000Wouldn't it be great if AI just turns out to be as human as us and is just corrupted, and they're like, President AI got a blowjob in the Oval Office.
00:39:00.000I do think, like, I mean, look, obviously, like, I'm biased on the...
00:39:07.000Like, I have my own opinions on these things.
00:39:09.000But I do just think that one of the things that I've found kind of amazing, and I've thought this with some of the people who have come on your show since the last time I was here, is the...
00:39:22.000The way that people can defend what Israel's doing in Gaza does kind of blow my mind.
00:39:29.000Because it reminds you that it's like, you're like, oh, okay, look, throughout all of human history, right, I'm not saying there's anything unique to Israel, like they're the only ones to ever commit atrocities or that they're not dealing with atrocities committed to them.
00:39:49.000If you compare it to the worst things that have ever happened in the history of the world.
00:39:52.000But I'm just saying throughout all of human history there's been atrocities and there's been genocides and ethnic cleansing campaigns and slavery and all.
00:39:59.000But at every single point there was someone there willing to rationalize it.
00:40:02.000You know, like someone there who would be like, no, no, no, listen, this is what we have to do, because otherwise this, and it's amazing the mental gymnastics that people can come up with to justify something that is so clearly on its face, just heartbreaking.
00:41:12.000It was, and then when you find out they were right, at the end of it all, when you find out many, many years later the Gulf of Tonkin was a false flag, you're like, what?
00:41:20.000Which they didn't even need in order to be right, but then you find out you're like, oh, the whole thing was...
00:41:53.000So 100%, I'm going to kill X amount of people and a bunch of Americans, and then you're going to actually make these people, these Americans, you're going to draft them and force them to go because they don't want to go.
00:42:21.000This is of what percentage of the world's heroin supply?
00:42:24.000And then when you see the same trick played out in Afghanistan, My favorite was Geraldo Rivera interviewing the troops, rationalizing why they had to guard the poppy fields.
00:43:04.000It was responsible for most of the global supply of heroin.
00:43:08.000And the production went up after we invaded.
00:43:11.000So opium poppy, which grows extensively in Afghanistan and southern fields, contains main opium ingredient used to manufacture heroin.
00:43:18.000Afghanistan was previously the world's top opium producer, responsible for over 80% of the global supply and a major source of heroin in Europe and Asia.
00:44:13.000I was listening to the Mike Baker podcast you had on where you were talking about the money in Ukraine and where it went, and even he was like, ah, yeah, no, we don't really know where the...
00:44:21.000I thought one of the funniest things about that was that...
00:44:36.000The Taliban's successful opium ban is bad for Afghans and the world.
00:44:42.000The ban is not a counter-narcotics victory, and we'll have negative economic and humanitarian consequences, potentially leading to a refugee crisis.
00:44:50.000Oh, unlike us leaving in the middle of nowhere, allowing the Taliban to kill all the people we worked with.
00:44:57.000But you see, you get my point about how humans can rationalize anything?
00:45:17.000If you're advocating that heroin should be legal, and this is your full perspective, okay, now I'll accept it.
00:45:21.000But if you really think that heroin is a scourge, and if you really do appreciate that 100,000 people died last year of opioid overdoses, 100,000, it's a real fucking crisis.
00:45:33.000If there was a disease killing 100,000 people, we would freak the fuck out.
00:45:39.000Well, look, I mean, I do think there's a strong argument for legalization, but there's also a difference between that and the government kind of like sponsoring the trade of it.
00:45:47.000Damn, this is 90% of heroin globally and more than 95% of the European supply.
00:45:54.000More land is used for opium in Afghanistan than is used for coca cultivation in Latin America.
00:46:01.000Bro, you don't think that has something to do with it?
00:47:10.000The thing that's so wild to me is that after, and I know I've talked about this, I'm sure, on previous episodes, but just after 20 years of the terror wars and what a disaster those were, and to the point that everyone...
00:47:22.000John McCain wrote in his memoir that the war in Iraq was a mistake.
00:47:26.000That's how universally agreed upon it is.
00:47:30.000John McCain would acknowledge we got that one wrong.
00:47:32.000And it's not like anyone else is defending any of the other terror wars at this point.
00:47:36.000But then as soon as we kind of get out of them, we're not even fully out, but we're mostly out, we just get into these proxy wars in Ukraine and now in Israel that are clearly wars of choice for America.
00:47:48.000Like, we don't have to be involved in these.
00:47:50.000We're just still deciding to continue this war machine going.
00:48:03.000Anyway, man, I will say that I think a lot of the defense of the war in Gaza, which I kind of feel we are even calling a war, because it doesn't exactly feel like that's what the term should be.
00:48:36.000Well, I mean, but in the case of Gaza, it's not even like there's not even a government.
00:48:42.000I mean, there are stateless people who have been captive by the Israelis since 1967. And then they're captive politically in their own country by Hamas.
00:49:03.000Yeah, I think it's certainly exaggerated at times by the Israelis, but there is no question that they are, look, they're in this, Gaza is, dude, it's five miles wide.
00:49:45.000No, look, so I'm just saying part of this, and this isn't, I'm not, like, making any excuses.
00:49:49.000I mean, there's no question there have been incidents of Hamas, like, embedding themselves in civilian locations.
00:49:55.000But also, it's not as if They have a military or a government.
00:50:00.000It's not as if there's going to be two armies that meet themselves on the battlefield here.
00:50:05.000Hamas is essentially a gang in an Israeli prison that rose up as the toughest gang there.
00:50:11.000And yeah, in such a densely populated area, that's the way, as they call it, asymmetric warfare is going to work.
00:50:20.000Look, man, I took issue with a few things that some of the guests you've had on recently have said.
00:50:27.000I know, I think all of this, a lot of times it comes down to framing, like how you want to look at an issue, and particularly the people who are way behind Israel on this, I feel like always rely on this very strange framing, so they don't have to confront exactly what's going on,
00:50:42.000and they can kind of look at it in more of an abstract, removed way.
00:50:46.000Like when you had a, I'm sorry if I'm saying his name wrong, but Gad, how do you say his last name?
00:50:53.000I've read his stuff before, but I always butcher names.
00:50:57.000But so one of the things he said, which I know I've heard this in every debate I've done on the topic so far, but he said the same thing Dennis Prager said to me when we debated, was he was like, well, look, if Israel laid down all their arms, there'd be a genocide.
00:51:09.000If Hamas laid down all their arms, there'd be peace.
00:51:13.000And forget the fact that I will say I don't agree with the second part of that.
00:52:03.000Well, I remember when you had, um, anyway, just the point I was making about Gad's thing is that it's also this, like, I just hate when people retreat to almost these hypotheticals.
00:52:12.000It reminds me of Sam Harris's argument about why you were really wrong with the, uh, at least eight times.
00:52:21.000So eight times Israeli forces have attacked humanitarian aid convoys.
00:52:25.000And buildings in the Gaza Strip at least eight times since October, despite being given coordinates to ensure their protection, Human Rights Watch has set in a new report.
00:53:21.000Like, if nothing else, it's a bad idea.
00:53:23.000However, for all the scrutiny there'll be over what these 20-year-olds are hollering at Columbia, when Benjamin Netanyahu is saying they're Amalek, As you're going into this area, which, you know, the story from the Bible is that you're supposed to kill the women and the children.
00:53:37.000And the story is that they fucked up by not killing all the women and the children.
00:53:43.000Now, even if you could argue he doesn't mean it that way, it's like, okay, but you're saying that— The story from the Bible?
00:54:10.000The ICJ basically said that Israel is plausibly committing a genocide.
00:54:15.000They haven't yet determined that it is or isn't, but they said it's plausible.
00:54:22.000But anyway, my point that I'm making about what Saad was saying is that it reminds me of Sam Harris, where he sits here and he goes, well, imagine this hypothetical.
00:54:31.000Imagine COVID was 100 times as deadly and the vaccine was perfect against stopping transmission and there were no vaccine injuries.
00:54:44.000He was saying you could, when someone's saying you could never mandate a vaccine or argue for a mandate, and he was saying if there was a vaccine, you could, he was making an intellectual argument, he's correct, that you could argue that if there was a vaccine that had zero side effects and was 100% effective,
00:55:05.000and if everybody took it, the disease stops.
00:55:09.000Well, what he was saying was that then how would we feel about what Joe Rogan is saying and what RFK is saying when they were, you know what I mean?
00:55:18.000But the point is that that's not the hypothetical.
00:55:21.000Not only that, it doesn't exist in nature.
00:55:28.000I'm just saying I'm not against engaging in a thought experiment to think about, like, what that scenario would look like.
00:55:34.000But at the same time, you're like, it does seem like that's serving in this case as a distraction from the real world scenario that's going on here.
00:55:42.000So, like, if you're going to say if Israel, like, yes, I would not recommend...
00:55:47.000Israel lay down all of their arms, completely disarm themselves, and then open up the wall to Gaza and allow Hamas to come in.
00:56:09.000Right, but if you could flip it around, the opposite would be true.
00:56:14.000Like, if Hamas did lay down all their weapons, and if they did completely give up, You're going to have some Israeli soldiers that do not give a fuck that still want to shoot them.
00:56:26.000But for the most part, if there was nothing, if they completely gave up, which is also not going to happen, but if that did happen, you couldn't see a situation where Israel just continues bombing.
00:56:37.000Maybe not, but then what do they go to?
00:56:40.000Just being subjugated by the Israelis?
00:56:41.000Back to the status quo of just being a stateless people of permanent refugees with no natural rights whatsoever, no ability to trade with the world, no ability to come and leave.
00:56:54.000You can't go out fishing past where some IDF guy decides you're not allowed to.
00:56:58.000So, like, yeah, if Hamas laid down all their arms, perhaps Israel would stop the bombing campaign, and they would just continue...
00:57:05.000Subjugation forever, which has been the Likud Party official policy since they were created by the terrorist Menachem Begin.
00:57:14.000Like, literally since this party, that is the ruling party in Israel, was created, their goal has been that the Palestinian people never get their own state, they never get their own freedom, and that's resulted in this.
00:57:27.000And if you don't give them their own freedom, there's no way you can justify it.
00:57:30.000No way you can justify that a whole entire group of people...
00:57:52.000Well, in a way it is, and then in another way, it's kind of not.
00:57:56.000It's kind of like, there's this weird, you know, hurt people hurt people type thing.
00:58:00.000Like, when you kind of suffer this trauma, and we're speaking collectively here, so it's not exactly the same as an individual, but like, you suffer this trauma, and then you use that to justify doing whatever the hell you gotta do so that you never suffer that trauma again.
00:58:13.000And then you weirdly end up kind of like inflicting something on another group of people and kind of in a weird way holding them responsible for the trauma you suffered even though they really, really had very little, nothing to do with the actual trauma.
00:58:27.000It's really an ancient kind of conflict.
00:58:30.000The Israel-Palestine is very ancient in the fact that it's like the hate between them is so strong and they're right next door to each other, which is how people used to rock it back in the day.
00:58:44.000That was the fear of neighboring tribes, that people from the other side were going to come over and rape the women and children and kill your babies and slaughter the men.
00:58:54.000And not like an irrational fear, like a fear based on this really happens, you know what I mean?
00:59:01.000The other thing, though, is that, and that's all true, but the other thing is that, you know, there are these examples, right, like where there's Ireland and England, and they're right next to each other, and, like, things are just cool now.
00:59:12.000And France and Germany are right next to each other, and they're just cool now.
00:59:15.000Yeah, but Ireland and Northern Ireland were at war with each other forever.
00:59:19.000No, but I'm just making the point that, and then it's over.
01:00:12.000The craziest part of all of it is that the Israelis, I shouldn't say the Israelis, the Israelis five seconds before they became Israelis, like right before the creation of the State of Israel, they embraced terrorism.
01:00:25.000And by the way, these terrorists who were the leaders of these terrorist organizations, like Menachem Begin and Yisak Shamir, they went on to be prime ministers of Israel, but they were terrorists.
01:00:37.000And I'm not like, I don't mean this as a pejorative, like self-described, like they embraced terrorism.
01:00:49.000And then there was Lehi or the Stern gang.
01:00:53.000And then there was the Haganah, who was like the biggest one.
01:00:56.000And they were not quite as terroristic, but they also were involved in a bunch of it.
01:01:01.000And their justification for it was to drive out the occupying force, which was the British at the time.
01:01:09.000After World War II, the Zionists who were in Palestine had enough of the British occupying the area, and they were very angry because they had limited Jewish migration during the run-up to the Holocaust.
01:01:23.000So they had a real beef with the British at this point, even though the British had kind of allowed them to...
01:01:30.000Have a chance to establish a Jewish homeland there.
01:01:32.000But so they embraced terrorism to drive them out.
01:01:35.000You can go look up the King David Hotel.
01:01:37.000Killed a whole bunch of innocent people, including Jews, in the hotel because they just wanted to use terrorism to drive out an occupying force.
01:01:45.000And they actually introduced terrorism into that region.
01:01:49.000And many of the same tactics that the Palestinians went on to embrace were stuff that they picked up from the Jewish terrorists at that time.
01:01:56.000But then the same Israelis will turn around and be like, well, I don't know why these Palestinians have embraced terrorism.
01:02:02.000And, like, they're telling you it's for the same reason.
01:02:46.000This is a big point of contention now politically, right?
01:02:51.000Because the Biden administration is not giving the same amount of support to Israel that it was...
01:02:56.000They've been giving, basically, I mean, what's really going on is that Joe Biden, this is a disaster politically for Joe Biden, and something like, looking at the polls recently, 50% of his base?
01:03:07.000I think you and I have different Twitter followers.
01:03:10.000I mean, my Twitter feed seems like he's doing a great job.
01:03:41.000Why would they send you to Detroit to deal with COVID? Now, I saw someone saying that perhaps it was the H1N1 pandemic, which did happen during the Biden administration or during the Obama administration when he was vice president.
01:03:54.000I don't think I don't think I think he was talking about he would have probably said a previous pandemic yeah 2009 he's out of his fucking mind if it wasn't if it was occasional people would let this stuff go yeah but anyway just to that look I also thought,
01:04:11.000because some of these guys, by the way, you've had on your show, like, I like them.
01:04:13.000I'm not even like, you know, like Coleman Hughes.
01:04:15.000I don't know him personally, but I like him.
01:04:27.000Well, I would love to have a – because I think he's a good faith guy and I think – and he's very smart.
01:04:32.000But he also kind of – there were two things that kind of rubbed me the wrong way when he was on the show.
01:04:38.000Number one was that he started by kind of getting into this argument about – which I see a lot of people who are supporting this conflict doing – Okay, well, here are the number of total civilians dead, and here are the number of Hamas militants dead, and let's look at that ratio,
01:04:54.000and then is that ratio that far off from what you find in a typical war?
01:05:40.000But anyway, even if the numbers were right, it's like— Look, dude, if you look at the population density, and you just look at the number of bombs that Israel has dropped, and you just see a lot of the footage that we've seen, and you just listen to stories that doctors are telling.
01:05:55.000I literally just saw an interview a couple weeks ago with a doctor who just got back from Gaza, and he was talking about how they have a major anesthesia shortage.
01:06:05.000So just think about the implications of that, like what that means.
01:06:08.000It means they're operating on kids without anesthesia, you know what I mean?
01:06:12.000So the point is that if you're talking about, okay, well this many Hamas people are dying compared to this many innocent babies are dying, That's not the question.
01:06:22.000When you're inflicting this level of human suffering on people, the question for any decent civilized person is, is this absolutely necessary?
01:06:50.000Of course, Netanyahu's never allowed a real investigation into October 7th to happen.
01:06:54.000But everybody pretty much concludes that Israel dropped the ball in a massive way, in a massive way, that their security was just in shambles, and all they really needed to do was not rely so much on these, you know, machine gun robots and have actual soldiers at the border.
01:07:10.000They could easily just stop this right now.
01:07:13.000Well, wasn't there an issue of protests where the soldiers were allocated towards...
01:07:17.000Basically, they had—so, I think as a result of the protests against Netanyahu, he had started to ally with some even further right-wing groups than he normally would have, and to appease them, he was pulling soldiers off of the Gaza border and putting them over toward the West Bank,
01:07:37.000which is what the religious Jews on the right really care about.
01:07:40.000And yes, they basically got caught with their pants down.
01:07:43.000But I'm just saying, they could just stop doing this.
01:07:46.000It's not they all die or they keep doing this.
01:07:49.000They could stop, and Israel can still protect itself.
01:07:52.000In fact, I'd argue their security would be enhanced if they stopped doing this.
01:07:57.000But the other thing, which you brought up to Coleman Hughes, was that you mentioned to him, you said, what about, didn't Israel prop up Hamas?
01:08:09.000Wasn't that part of their strategy for a while?
01:08:15.000I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, and maybe he just doesn't know about that detail of this as much, because if not, he was kind of being dishonest.
01:08:24.000But maybe he just wasn't familiar with all of this stuff.
01:08:28.000But he kind of went, you said that, and then he kind of dismissed it by saying, well, there's a quote that's attributed to Netanyahu, but it wasn't on videotape.
01:08:39.000Essentially being like, we don't really know if Netanyahu said this or not.
01:08:42.000And then just kind of moved on to the conversation away from that.
01:08:45.000But I find this, I found this in all of my debates that I've done on this, and I've done like eight debates on this since the war broke out.
01:08:51.000Everybody on the pro-Israeli side does not want to grapple with that point because it really is like a, it's a narrative shattering point once you acknowledge it.
01:09:01.000Right, but if it isn't on videotape, he has a point as well.
01:09:05.000Well, here, well, let me, okay, so here's the deal, right?
01:09:07.000So the quote that he's referring to was a quote by Benjamin Netanyahu.
01:09:12.000It was something along the lines of, anybody who wants to thwart the Palestinians having their own state needs to support propping up Hamas, bolstering Hamas, transferring money to them.
01:09:37.000We don't have to Fulfill our promise and that we would give this attributed to him so basically this quote particularly Okay, this was at a closed-door meeting with the Likud party So this is Benjamin Netanyahu's political party his far-right party that's in power right now in Israel So it's true that this was a closed-door meeting and that it's not on tape So what happened is,
01:09:58.000as far as I could tell, the first person who reported this, I believe, was a lady who's a reporter for the Jerusalem Post.
01:10:06.000And then it's been run in a bunch of other newspapers since then.
01:10:09.000So basically what happened is, an eyewitness...
01:11:15.000The Times of Israel on October 8th had a piece by Tal Schneider, which was how Bin Laden, excuse me, How Netanyahu's support for Hamas just blew up in his face.
01:11:35.000So he was a critic of this plan to prop up Hamas.
01:11:38.000But it's totally uncontroversial that this was their plan.
01:11:41.000The New York Times just ran a piece, I think it was late last year, It might have been early this year, where they talked about how two weeks before October 7th, Benjamin Netanyahu sent the head of the Mossad to Qatar because funds going into Hamas had slowed down.
01:12:03.000And he sent them in there to make sure the funds continued.
01:12:20.000Yeah, the Qatari government had been sending millions of dollars a month to Gaza's trip, money that helped prop up the Hamas government there.
01:12:26.000Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel not only tolerated those payments, he had encouraged them.
01:12:33.000According to Times, Israeli intelligence agents traveled to Gaza With a Qatari official carrying suitcases filled with cash, suitcases, like a mafia movie, to disperse money.
01:12:46.000Retired Israeli General Shlomo Brahm described the logic of Netanyahu's position.
01:12:51.000One effective way to present a two-state solution is to divide...
01:13:23.000That he can say, I have no partner for peace, which is the Israeli line that they like to use.
01:13:28.000So basically, Okay, in 1979, the Egyptians and the Israelis met at Camp David, and that's when they worked out their peace.
01:13:36.000Now, their peace also just involved, basically, that the US would pay them both off.
01:13:40.000We'd give them both $3 billion a year in perpetuity if they stopped going to war with each other, basically.
01:13:46.000And part of that was that Israel promised that they would eventually Give the Palestinians a state.
01:13:54.000Like, it was recognized by D.C. at the time, this Jimmy Carter, that, like, you gotta give them a state, because otherwise this fighting's gonna continue on and on and on forever.
01:15:44.000Now, in 1996, Benjamin Netanyahu becomes prime minister.
01:15:51.000Now, the same year in 1996, there's this letter, you can find this on the internet, it's called, A Clean Break, A New Strategy for Securing the Realm.
01:16:00.000And it was written by Richard Perle and David Wormser and a couple other people, of course, Richard Perle and David Wormser, We're good to go.
01:16:36.000We need a clean break from that strategy.
01:16:39.000And we're going to have a whole new strategy.
01:16:41.000And what it's going to involve is you making agreements with the broader Arab world so that you don't have to make this agreement with the Palestinians.
01:16:50.000You see, the old way of thinking was always that Israel will never be able to make peace with the broader Muslim world because they're furious about what you're doing to the Palestinians.
01:17:00.000But the clean break strategy was like, no, no, no.
01:17:04.000Embark on what ultimately became the Netanyahu doctrine, that we'll make deals with the rest of the Arab world, so we don't have to give up this land.
01:17:22.000That was in 1996. And these people got in George W. Bush's government.
01:17:27.000And after 9-11, those same people decided that they believed that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and that he was involved in 9-11.
01:17:39.000Israel can shape its strategic environment in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria.
01:17:46.000This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq, an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right as a means of foiling Syria's regional ambitions.
01:18:57.000Of course, like, what Jewish people have been through in the 20th century, in the 19th and 18th century, like, that plays a part in that, too.
01:19:13.000It's also, and I highly recommend people read, John Mearsheimer has a great book called The Israeli Lobby.
01:19:19.000There's also this lobby, APEC, which is a very, very powerful lobby.
01:19:23.000The truth is that every U.S. president since, with perhaps the exception of Trump, I'm actually not sure about that, but every U.S. president since Jimmy Carter, I know for sure, excluding Trump, every one of them wanted a two-state solution.
01:19:53.000Even when they go over and say, we wanna do this, they're not able to do that.
01:19:57.000And part of that is because of the lobby.
01:20:01.000Part of that is because there's, like, tens of millions of evangelical Christians in this country who believe that That the Jews have to control Israel, like in some religious view that Jesus can't come back unless the Jews control him or something like that.
01:20:19.000Well, and they also, and the Israeli government's well aware of that, and they're well aware of how much they benefit from that, so they do everything they can to facilitate that belief.
01:20:40.000But look, all of these US presidents, they've wanted an outcome that they're unable to get.
01:20:47.000And you can look, there's this one video of Benjamin Netanyahu where he doesn't know he's being recorded and he's speaking openly about this.
01:20:57.000So he openly starts bragging about how he basically blew up the peace process.
01:21:57.000It's that, so in 2002, Benjamin Netanyahu comes and testifies before Congress as a regional expert, and he testifies that like, oh yeah, if you guys overthrow Saddam Hussein, democracy will sweep the region.
01:22:12.000Let me tell you, I know something, because I know this region better than anyone else.
01:22:16.000And at one point, Dennis Kucinich actually grilled him and got him on record, and he goes, is there anybody else that you're advocating that we preemptively attack?
01:23:01.000The policies that they're enacting, and yet they still get all of this support.
01:23:05.000Even now, you know, Joe Biden doesn't know what he's saying because he's got dementia, but there's people in his ear who are telling him to, like, say, don't invade Rafa.
01:23:14.000And then Benjamin Netanyahu's like, OK, we're going to invade Rafa.
01:23:17.000And it's just like, OK, well, fine, fine.
01:23:19.000If we have no influence over what you're going to do and you'll just wag the middle finger at us and brag about how you tricked Bill Clinton and defy what our presidents want you to do, like, OK, fine.
01:23:29.000But then you don't get our money and our weapons, right?
01:24:03.000But Abby Martin also follows in a tradition of left-wing thought, like Noam Chomsky and people like this, who have always been very critical of the Israeli government's treatment of the Palestinians.
01:25:24.000So basically, I think what really changed things...
01:25:27.000During the 90s, there's no question, there was tremendous support for making a deal for a two-state solution, particularly amongst, like, liberal Israelis.
01:25:39.000Basically, so Yitzhak Rabin got assassinated by a right-wing Israeli who was furious that he was a traitor for making a deal with the Palestinians.
01:25:50.000And then when Netanyahu came in, and then ultimately, I guess it was Sharon who was in the year 2000, and there was another meeting at Camp David where...
01:26:05.000You know, what people will say, which is just not true, but what a lot of the people of the pro-Israeli side will say is that they offered them everything.
01:26:14.000They offered the Palestinians everything they wanted, and they just turned it down.
01:26:20.000It's like, they never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
01:26:23.000But if you actually look into the details of all of it, even Shlomo Ben-Ami, who was the acting foreign minister at the time involved in these negotiations, I think?
01:28:06.000That Donald Trump worked out in the Middle East, except the problem is that there was no war between any of the countries that he worked out these deals.
01:28:13.000It was just kind of like normalizing relations between Israel and these other Arab countries around them.
01:28:20.000But what was the reason why Relations weren't normalized.
01:28:23.000It was because they were pissed off about Israel's treatment of the Palestinians.
01:28:26.000So basically, Jared Kushner's brilliant idea, along with Netanyahu's, was that, oh, well, if we just bribe all of these countries with US taxpayer dollars or weapons, we can get them to look the other way.
01:28:44.000And Netanyahu was bragging about this.
01:28:46.000And Netanyahu, just a couple weeks before September 11th, right around the time that he sent the head of Mossad into Qatar to make sure the money kept going to Hamas, he went to the UN with a map.
01:28:56.000Of Greater Israel, and it was all Israel.
01:28:59.000Gaza, the West Bank, and what is Israel proper?
01:29:10.000This map of Greater Israel, this is something that he's proposing for the future?
01:29:14.000This is, you know, as much as people will point to the Hamas founding charter, and it says from the river to the sea or whatever, and that's true, at least the original one, But that's in the Likud founding documents also.
01:29:26.000In different words, but it's basically from the river to the sea will be all Israel, which is what it has been, you know, since 1967. And again, by the way, I'm not trying to make...
01:29:40.000Showing up with a map, why would he have a map?
01:30:05.000Okay, so because Netanyahu was supporting Hamas...
01:30:09.000And because he was using them kind of as, you know what I mean?
01:30:12.000Like, oh good, we'll keep these terrorists over here so that they're not linked up with the people in the West Bank over here.
01:30:18.000And then I have no, I get a, you know, a certificate, I forget the exact phrase, but it was, I have a, I think he said at one point, I have a no partner for peace certificate signed by the president in both houses of Congress.
01:30:30.000Because look, I don't have to ever do a two state deal.
01:30:33.000But then people will jump to the next level, which is that like, oh, He won at October 7th.
01:30:48.000At least I haven't seen convincing evidence that it is.
01:30:52.000From everything I've read about it, it actually seems a lot more like, if you remember, I know we talked about the same thing on the podcast years ago when I was on, I think?
01:31:21.000And we knew the weapons were getting into their hands.
01:31:24.000But we thought, okay, that might put pressure on Assad to have to step down.
01:31:29.000So, like, we could use this group in order to get the regime change that we wanted.
01:31:34.000But then they turned around and invaded Iraq.
01:31:37.000And, like, that wasn't part of the plan.
01:31:58.000I'm the commander-in-chief of the United States of America's military.
01:32:01.000I'm worried about ISIS. These guys are nothing compared to the power that we have.
01:32:06.000And there's a lot of people at the highest level of the Israeli government who spoke exactly the same way about Hamas.
01:32:13.000That's the Benjamin Netanyahu quote that he says, we can control the height of the flame when he's talking about, you know, propping up Hamas.
01:32:21.000He goes, don't worry, we can control what they're able to do and what they're not able to do.
01:32:25.000These guys are nothing compared to our strength.
01:32:31.000What if they decided on a two-state solution as it currently stands and they just let the people run it however they want and Hamas takes over the whole Palestine.
01:32:42.000If Palestine becomes a country controlled by Hamas and then they start doing trading with other countries and then they start acquiring weapons like real sophisticated weapons like Israel has where the Iron Dome is no longer successful.
01:32:54.000Right, so this is kind of the counterfactual that a lot of Israelis will rely on to say, well, look, we can't give them their own state, because what if, when they get their own state, they decide to do this with it?
01:33:08.000So, alright, there's an old Thomas Jefferson quote about slavery, and I'll butcher this, as I always do, but I like bringing it up.
01:33:18.000But it's something along the lines of, he goes, we have the wolf by the ear, And we can neither afford to hold on to it, nor to safely let it go.
01:33:27.000And essentially what he was saying was, like, this was a major concern of people, even people who were kind of sympathetic to the abolitionist cause, who were like, yeah, look, but we've, like, enslaved these people for so long.
01:34:26.000Well, the way Daryl Cooper says it, which I actually think is a reasonable way to put it, is he goes like, I heard someone ask him that question once, and he goes, okay, well, if that happened, then we're having a different conversation.
01:34:46.000Listen, I think that groups like Hamas get their strength from the fact that there are so many people who want to resist this total domination by the Israelis.
01:34:58.000You know, it was General McChrystal...
01:35:01.000He's not a libertarian dove like me, not like some comic idiot like me, who's just like, I'm against war.
01:35:07.000General McChrystal, who was running the war in Afghanistan before he got caught saying bad things about Obama and got kicked out of there.
01:35:33.000A lot of you might think it's 8, but the answer's 20. When we're talking about insurgents, 10 minus 2 equals 20. Because you kill two insurgents, and each one of them had brothers and uncles and nephews and friends, and now they all join up the resistance movement.
01:36:32.000But again, like I will say that the one nice example or the one silver lining to all of this is that there are so many examples throughout the world where things were so off.
01:36:44.000I mean, you just never could have imagined that like Germany could live right there in Europe next to all these countries.
01:36:51.000They just went to two world wars with each other.
01:38:20.000And in order to get to that step, the ones with the power have to make some concessions.
01:38:26.000And the only way to get there is for Israel to at least get back on some path toward like, hey, we are going to give you your sovereignty at some point.
01:38:36.000There was some recent discussion of rebuilding Gaza where they were talking about what they could do for that area once they rebuild it.
01:39:33.000Oh, there's money to be made in the destruction, there's money to be made in the rebuilding, and people will make that money.
01:39:38.000But I think that the truth is that Israel has not at all laid out what the endgame of this is, other than this assertion that we must get rid of Hamas entirely, even though U.S. and Israeli intelligence have both said that that's impossible.
01:40:28.000Honestly, I have no idea what the real number is, and I don't think the Israeli government knows, and I think probably the Gazan Health Ministry doesn't know either.
01:40:39.000It's very difficult work to, while this is all going on, I think?
01:40:55.000It's not like, okay, if you were, say, tracking in America, there was a big explosion, a bunch of people died, and you could look at DNA records and who was enlisted in the military, and you could just match them up against each other.
01:41:08.000It's not scientific like that, or at least it's much more primitive than that.
01:41:12.000So I really wouldn't venture to guess.
01:41:15.000And I also don't know how accurate the numbers when they say 35,000 people have died.
01:41:30.000Yeah, well, they said the most recent figures that they put out, again, this is the Gaza Health Ministry, which is overseen by Hamas, so take that with a grain of salt or whatever.
01:41:39.000But they said there's like, I think, 10,000 who they weren't able to identify.
01:41:44.000Can you imagine the horror of just walking down those streets?
01:41:50.000So if there are 10,000, how many of them can you smell?
01:41:54.000I mean, you just look around, you just see wreckage, and you smell rotting bodies.
01:42:00.000Oh, dude, and just the worst things in the world.
01:42:17.000No, and then imagine, like, imagine, you know, and there's constantly, like, the defenders of this military campaign will say, oh, they drop warning bombs, and they drop leaflets, and they tell you, no problem, just leave.
01:42:30.000But you're talking about people who are, like, first of all, they live at least...
01:42:36.000A large percentage of them live in a level of poverty that none of us have ever experienced.
01:42:42.000Just telling people, just leave and head out to the, you know, and people almost have, like, in their mind that, like, what is there, like, some sophisticated refugee camp waiting for them with tents and water and food?
01:43:13.000And again, like, look, dude, it's just, again, I just think that whenever you're talking about these things, when you're talking about, like, inflicting this level of human suffering on a group of people, Like, whoever's defending that man, the onus is on you to demonstrate that there's absolutely no other way to do it.
01:43:32.000And the other reason why I bring up this point all the time about Israel propping up Hamas as this strategy is that doesn't that at least change the narrative?
01:43:41.000Because if you just go, which a lot of people are, they'll just be like, well, look, look what happened on October 7th.
01:43:58.000I guess on some superficial level I can understand that.
01:44:01.000But once you know that they were propping up Hamas specifically so that they wouldn't have to give the innocent Palestinians their own state, and now they get to use that group that they propped up as the excuse why they're allowed to just slaughter these people, that's just like,
01:44:19.000That's just, no, that's fucked up, man.
01:44:21.000That's just not, and all these terms get conflated.
01:44:24.000They'll be like, doesn't Israel have the right to defend itself?
01:44:27.000And you're like, yeah, but see, now you're like manipulating this idea of self-defense, which is a natural right.
01:44:33.000You could argue the most natural human right is the right to, you know, the right to life and then the right to defend your life.
01:44:39.000But the right to defense is like, so imagine like me and you were hanging out at your house and someone like broke into your house and Kills me and then points the gun at you and you grab your gun and you kill that guy.
01:44:54.000You'd be like, well, yeah, you had the right to defend yourself.
01:45:17.000But now you're talking about like a guy breaks into your house, shoots and kills me, runs and leaves, retreats back to his house where you know his wife and his five kids are.
01:45:30.000And you're like, well, look, I have a right to defend myself.
01:45:33.000You're like, okay, but this is a slightly different concept than just like the right of self-defense as we all understand it.
01:45:41.000This is more like the right to revenge, the right to justice, which, okay, I believe in justice, and I think all of the people involved in October 7th Should face justice for what they did.
01:45:53.000But there's a very different question between, like, defending the country of Israel and enacting justice against those people if it means, like, babies get crushed to death in rubble and parents get killed in front of their children and all of the, you know,
01:46:40.000So like, Osama Bin Laden never thought he could destroy America by taking down the Twin Towers, but he thought he could lure us into a war in Afghanistan that could bankrupt our country, just like he was trained by the CIA to do with the Soviet Union, right?
01:47:39.000But the fact that the International Court of Justice ruled that this is a plausible genocide is so wild that they ruled that the Jewish state Is committing a genocide?
01:50:12.000I have no knowledge on this subject, but I just feel I've never been in a helicopter and I don't want to.
01:50:17.000It doesn't seem like as sophisticated a method of flying.
01:50:21.000I just feel like helicopter-less life has been going pretty good for me, and I'm just gonna keep riding down this path where you don't go on helicopters.
01:50:28.000Burr has a license, and he took me up.
01:50:52.000So you have a helicopter, because they're below the airplanes.
01:50:54.000I don't know why I was already scared of the idea of flying in a helicopter, but flying in a helicopter that's being piloted by Bill Burr is just the scariest thing in the world to me.
01:51:03.000Like, you just get pissed off at something in the middle of it, and he's like yelling, and you're like, dude!
01:52:58.000And then, like, he's just reading their question, and then it just launches him into this thing that, like, you know, he wasn't even planning on talking about none of this.
01:53:44.000It's like if you were watching Michael Jordan play in high school or something like that, and then you just saw one move and you were like, oh...
01:55:37.000Challenging Pelosi's position in the debate about populism.
01:55:40.000Winston Marshall, a musician who was once part of Memford& Sons, now hosts the Marshall Matters podcast for The Spectator, spoke in opposition to the Oxford Union motion that this house believes populism is a threat to democracy.
01:55:52.000That is a crazy argument, that populism is a threat to democracy.
01:55:57.000I swear to God, whenever you hear people like Nancy Pelosi or Hillary Clinton or any of them use the term democracy, just in your mind, substitute what they mean by democracy is our rule over you.
01:57:37.000I know me and you have talked about this a bunch before, but in the same ways when all these people will be like, we need to have trust in our institutions.
01:58:05.000I think there's been a pretty significant shift towards people being very skeptical.
01:58:11.000About bullshit now where it's just there's gonna be a ton of people and some of these people by the way are paid and this is what I've talked to people recently that are they either stream or their YouTube personalities or their Instagram social media personalities and they have a certain number of followers and they offer them thousands of dollars to do political posts Yeah.
01:58:39.000Thousands of dollars to talk about specific political issues.
01:58:42.000Damn it, there's no money in my politics.
01:59:03.000That's creepy that you can pay people for their support for a political issue because it's this weird gray area where it's social media engagement.
01:59:18.000It's not like a campaign is directly paying you.
01:59:21.000It's like a super PAC or a group that was funded by that super PAC. And then you could, with a straight face, say, I've never taken any money from the Biden campaign.
02:00:03.000What they're amazing at, and I've kind of marveled at it over the last few years, especially when I do this show.
02:00:09.000There's some other shows that I do that are pretty big shows, but there's just nothing like that.
02:00:13.000This show like the the response to it that you get especially for me because I come say like Controversial things on the show and like the the response that you get be accurate.
02:00:23.000I mean it's bonkers, dude Okay, so the the probably the biggest one up until I don't know.
02:00:29.000But maybe the biggest one was that when we were talking about the war in Ukraine.
02:00:34.000So this was like a couple years ago, I guess, was the first time I came on and we were really talking about it.
02:01:10.000He goes, this guy is saying that NATO provoked Vladimir Putin's invasion.
02:01:15.000Because, of course, the New York Times and CNN and their favorite term was unprovoked.
02:01:20.000And I don't know, by the way, if you caught this, and I don't say this just to run a victory lap, but kind of, 50% for that reason, but just late last year, the head of NATO, Jens Strasenberg or something like that,
02:01:36.000Norwegian guy, but he just came out and said...
02:01:40.000And he almost said it like so nonchalantly.
02:01:42.000He said that Vladimir Putin, before he invaded, asked NATO, he said, if you just put in writing that you won't ever put Ukraine in NATO, I won't invade.
02:01:54.000But if you don't do that, I'm going to invade.
02:02:06.000But like, number one, he just totally admitted that all that thing that everyone was saying was such a controversial statement two years ago that this had anything to do with NATO expansion.
02:02:14.000It's like, well, the head of NATO just said that's what the whole thing was about and that he wouldn't have invaded if he had just agreed to not expand NATO more.
02:02:20.000And then number two, you're like, oh, so you're just bragging that you didn't do that?
02:03:42.000But so he made this video where he goes up to all these congressmen and congresswomen and he asks them what they think about Netanyahu's propping up Hamas for all of these years.
02:03:56.000And to a man, to a woman, All of them just have this deer-in-headlights look, and they're like, uh, sorry, what report are you referring to?
02:04:10.000And you just, right away, none of them know.
02:04:13.000None of them even have the foggiest idea what you're talking about.
02:04:16.000And you almost realize that, weirdly, it was even eye-opening to me, and I talk about this stuff all the time, but you just kind of realize where it's like, oh, like, yeah, that's not their job.
02:04:29.000Their job isn't to, like, read books about this stuff and read newspaper articles and keep up with what's going on.
02:04:35.000Their job is to fundraise for their next election that they have and to whip votes for this thing that this lobbyist wanted.
02:04:43.000And if I get what this lobbyist wanted, he's going to contribute to my campaign.
02:04:47.000And if I did, it's like they're in a different world.
02:04:49.000They're not in the world of, like, actually thinking about this conflict and knowing things.
02:06:20.000I also think that what people are starting to see, at least in the occupation of Palestine, is just an increasing crisis of humanitarian condition.
02:06:34.000And that to me is just where I tend to come from on this issue.
02:06:39.000You use the term the occupation of Palestine.
02:07:45.000But there's also this weird thing in corporate media where there's almost...
02:07:49.000Like an unspoken, unwritten agreement that like, look, if you just have a few talking points, you can get through an interview and sound really confident in yourself and sound like, hey, that guy knows what he's talking about, you know?
02:08:01.000And as long as, say, like if I'm interviewing you, as long as I kind of agree that I'm just going to let you say your talking points, then you can come out looking really good.
02:10:56.000I'm just curious, just to better understand your ruling, if someone on this committee then starts talking about somebody's bleach-blind, bad-built, butch body, that would not be engaging in personalities, correct?
02:12:29.000Maybe some successful business people that were on the edge.
02:12:32.000Yeah, so push them towards the you know, just someone who just gets cut the fucking shit or even if not running I do think there's things like look like Elon Musk buying Twitter I do think was kind of like a move of kind of like okay, he's not gonna run for office That's probably not his calling in life,
02:12:49.000but he was like okay, you can't be president.
02:12:51.000Well, that's right Well, he couldn't be president, but he could run for something else, but that's not Elon Musk's best use of his abilities.
02:12:56.000But to buy Twitter and just be like, hey, look, I see what's going on here.
02:12:59.000We're going to make this one social media platform that isn't in lockstep with all of the other progressive ones.
02:13:05.000Things like that are really important.
02:13:30.000But then if you did that, the thing is, like, this is what all the conspiracy theorists are fearing about these people coming into the country.
02:13:37.000They're fearing that the people coming into the country, what they're going to do is offer them citizenship in replacement of military service.
02:13:46.000So they'll serve the military, then become citizens, and then if there's like some sort of a crazy thing breaks out, well then you have your immigrant army against the original people that were here when they got here.
02:13:57.000No, I mean, there's a lot of concerns with that.
02:14:00.000Yeah, because otherwise, AOC reveals darker intentions behind Marge Taylor Greed hearing chaos.
02:14:05.000She's saying that she kind of did this on purpose to derail the actual hearing they were having, because after that happened and they went into chaos, they stopped...
02:14:13.000Doing what they were there to do, actually, and just had a vote without having any amendments or any more discussion.
02:14:19.000It's a microcosm what authoritarians do on a larger scale.
02:14:22.000I don't think she's thinking that far ahead.
02:14:25.000Marjorie Taylor Greene is a wild lady.
02:14:56.000Because they were insulting each other, right?
02:14:58.000Because she said, you don't know what you're talking about.
02:15:00.000She said something about, you didn't even read it.
02:15:03.000Like, I think you're messing up with your fucking fake eyelashes.
02:15:07.000Yeah, she chimed in first saying, do you know what you're here for?
02:15:09.000But that was after she was saying that she was derailing it right away.
02:15:12.000I don't think you know what you're here for.
02:15:14.000I think your fake eyelashes are messing up what you're reading.
02:15:18.000So the other girl, what did the other lady say before that to her?
02:15:22.000That's where it was cut off that we didn't see in that clip.
02:15:25.000Maybe she didn't think it was the whole thing, but also maybe someone just said before, hey, if you get a chance to fuck this up, go for it.
02:15:37.000I think that that's just how she behaves.
02:15:40.000Yeah, but at the same time, if you were her, and then someone came up to her and was like, hey, I need you to mess this up and draw it out, she'd be like, no problem.
02:16:21.000It was like, you know, as captain of the volleyball team at Harvard, and they were like, not only did you not play volleyball, you never went to Harvard.
02:17:33.000Stealing people's identities and making charges on his own donors' credit cards without their authorization, lying to the FEC, and by extension, the public about the financial state of his campaign.
02:17:43.000So Santos falsely inflated the campaign's reported receipts with non-existent loans and contributions that were either fabricated or stolen.
02:17:51.000So he's just making up numbers about how much money they had, stealing people's money.
02:17:56.000Dude, spending campaign contributions on OnlyFans and Botox is just the...
02:18:02.000I mean, it's hard not to root for that guy.
02:18:25.000Bill and Hillary Clinton have, since I was a little kid, maybe since I was four or five years old, when he was governor in Arkansas, their entire career is they were public servants and they ran a charity.
02:18:46.000And they're worth like $100 million or something like that.
02:18:52.000You guys haven't been practicing law any of this time?
02:18:55.000You haven't been working in some industry where you've made tons of money?
02:18:58.000You were public servants who make, you know, healthy salaries, but not like that's going to put you in the hundreds of millions of dollars.
02:19:18.000There is almost something where everyone turns at Santos because obviously that's such a cartoonish, easy version of it.
02:19:27.000But it is kind of wild that there's so much outrage against this guy.
02:19:31.000And it's in the same sense where there'll be corruption...
02:19:36.000In, say, some Eastern European countries, there's corruption where the level of corruption is like, if you get pulled over by the cop, you could slip him some money and he'll let you go.
02:19:45.000Now, we don't have that in America, right?
02:19:48.000You can't really ever slip a cop money When he pulls you over in America, you may wish you could in certain situations, but you can't really do that.
02:19:56.000I'm not saying it's never happened, but you really can't do that in America.
02:20:00.000But we have like the prison guard union lobbying to keep mandatory minimums on marijuana.
02:20:08.000So, like, okay, you could look down your nose at this primitive form of corruption, but think about how fucked up that is.
02:21:11.000It's like, wait a minute, your policies benefited these corporations, and then, surprise, surprise, those people after you leave office want to hear you talk so badly.
02:21:20.000They're willing to fuck the market up.
02:21:22.000Yeah, well, I'll tell you- They want to give you hundreds of thousands of dollars to come talk.
02:21:26.000This is also, I think, where there's a flaw.
02:21:28.000Okay, so this is- Maybe one of the reasons why I'm a libertarian and not a progressive.
02:21:34.000I mean, there's many reasons, but one of the things that I think a lot of progressives who I think are, like, well-intentioned, their big thing will be, like, we got to get the money out of politics.
02:21:44.000And what they mean by that is that we can't let, you know, say, corporations contribute to political campaigns or something like that, because then, of course, they're just basically buying, you know, corruption.
02:21:56.000The flaw, like Cenk Uygur and people like that, that's like his big issue, you know, is get the money out of politics.
02:22:01.000I think the flaw in that is that, yeah, but they always find a way to get, because look, those speeches, that's not contributing to anyone's campaign.
02:22:09.000And that's not technically rewarding you for bailing out the big banks.
02:22:14.000It's just you happen to bail out the big banks and then they happen to really want to listen to what you have to say after that.
02:22:19.000And of course the book deal's warranted.
02:23:09.000Because there's a thing about charitable foundations.
02:23:12.000Everyone who's really rich seems to have a foundation.
02:23:15.000Yeah, I mean, I'm not the expert on that or anything else, really, but I know that they certainly get a whole bunch of tax breaks that you wouldn't get if you just started a business.
02:23:26.000Well, not only that, but if they're doing things, like Gates, for instance...
02:23:48.000It's wild that you can make money, like hundreds of millions of dollars, while you're running a charitable organization.
02:23:54.000But if you also think about it, the hundreds of millions of dollars that these guys make off of that is nothing because the legislation that they're passing or the policy that they're pushing is making these special interests hundreds of billions of dollars.
02:24:10.000So if you buy off a politician for 20 million bucks and you get a no-bid contract that's going to be worth $200 billion to you, that's a pretty good return on investment.
02:24:21.000There was an article about this particular area of Virginia that's like the most expensive real estate in the country, and it's all where the lobbyists live.
02:24:31.000And I think, is it Blinken whose house that they're picketing in front of, that they've been essentially there since, see if you can find it.
02:24:38.000I think it's Blinken's home that he has some crime.
02:24:43.000Crazy fucking set up there some fucking dope ass old-school mansion and They're all camping out in front of his house.
02:24:52.000It's the Palestine free Palestine people And so they've decided to constantly protest in front of his house Yeah, Anthony Blinken's family is the latest target of Washington's ugliest protest trend So they just camp out in front of his house.
02:26:40.000The one who I like kind of personally resent the most, which maybe is unfair, but is Obama.
02:26:46.000Because so many of us did kind of buy into, at least to some degree, the thing he was selling in 2008. And you're like, wait, but you don't feel like you should...
02:26:55.000Have you seen pictures of the house he lives in?
02:27:13.000Also known as Northern Virginia's Gold Coast, the road features opulent homes on large properties perched high above the Potomac with sweeping views.
02:27:21.000Such estates sell for tens of millions of dollars, as was the case when AOL co-founder Steve Case sold his estate to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia for $43 million in 2018. Those must be dope views.
02:28:14.000So these are like these old-school Connecticut-style houses.
02:28:20.000You know, like fucking The Great Gatsby, that kind of deal.
02:28:25.000I have a buddy of mine who works in Connecticut.
02:28:30.000He lives in Connecticut, too, but he works at a school where a lot of these people send their kids.
02:28:36.000He's like, dude, these fucking houses are ridiculous.
02:28:39.000They're old-school mansions on these giant properties and they They all do drugs and fucking fuck each other's wives and go crazy Spend all their fucking their Real estate holding money and all their Stocks and bond money.
02:29:52.000You know, all of a sudden you're hanging around with these guys and they get comfortable with you, sort of like they did with McChrystal, like with that embedded reporter.
02:30:57.000Well, I just mean that there could be generals who are just, like, you know, in their private time being like, ah, dude, fuck this guy and his bullshit commands, you know what I mean?
02:32:27.000Everything they throw at them, it just backfires, and it just makes them stronger and stronger.
02:32:32.000And it looks like this case is falling apart.
02:32:34.000It looks like almost all of them are falling apart.
02:32:36.000The one in New York, though, apparently they thought was the most flimsy, like a lot of legal experts thought it was the most flimsy going into it, but now it's completely falling apart.
02:32:43.000They have contradictory statements that she made to Bill Maher.
02:32:48.000And then they also have Michael Cohen just admitted he stole like $30,000 from the Trump campaign.
02:32:56.000The really fascinating one was the, which that sounds like what Michael Cohen would do.
02:33:00.000The really interesting one was the FBI with the picture of the top secret classified.
02:33:07.000Yeah, tell about that, because most people aren't even aware of this.
02:33:10.000Well, it seems that the FBI, you know, when you see the pictures of them on the ground there with all the classified, it's like, oh, that was put there by the FBI. So it's not as if, like, it was presented as if, oh, look, this is what Donald Trump was doing.
02:33:24.000The sheets that said top secret and classified didn't exist before the FBI came along.
02:33:32.000They put the sheets saying that, and then they leaked it.
02:33:35.000So there were the documents, and then they put pictures of these new things that they put over the documents that said top secret and classified.
02:33:44.000This is very important to make this distinction, because the documents were classified.
02:33:49.000But they didn't have fucking signs on.
02:33:51.000I'm like TNT. It's seeming more and more like there were several instances where it seems that Donald Trump was constantly being trapped.
02:34:03.000Going all the way back to the 2016 campaign, if you remember, there was this famous meeting with the Russian at the Trump Tower Hotel.
02:34:12.000But when you actually look into it, what happened was some Russian woman said she had dirt on Hillary Clinton.
02:34:17.000They got there to a meeting with her and she had nothing.
02:34:20.000And then they were all like, okay, whatever.
02:34:22.000But then the story was, oh, he's conspiring with the Russians.
02:34:26.000And it seems that, oh, that was a trap to get Donald Trump to do that so that they could make it look like he was conspiring with Russians.
02:34:33.000And there's just been several things like this over and over again.
02:34:36.000How about the fact that Hillary Clinton funded the Steele dossier?
02:36:15.000And look, it's just very clearly, for anybody who's being honest and paying attention, it's just very clear that there's a political motivation involved here.
02:36:25.000That these guys are trying to hurt Donald Trump's re-election or election campaign.
02:37:07.000They got fined $113,000 to settle a Federal Election Commission investigation into whether they violated campaign finance law by misreporting spending on research that eventually became the infamous Steele dossier.
02:38:04.000I swear to God, this is always, especially now, because we've been doing these shows together for so many years, that you can go back and look at the things that were so wildly controversial to say then, and And are 100% accurate.
02:39:21.000I mean, look, it totally blew up in their faces, and they're done.
02:39:26.000I mean, after the COVID stuff, I don't see any recovery.
02:39:29.000I think the corporate media is just going to get less and less influence.
02:39:32.000It's already you see how much it's moved over.
02:39:34.000Look, one of the big ones to go back to what they do.
02:39:36.000They were trying to do this with the reorganization of CNN. They were trying to get back to hardcore objective journalism without some sort of editorial bias because they said, listen, this is the only way out of this.
02:39:46.000Yeah, but even that was never really...
02:39:48.000It was like, hey, let's not be so blatantly anti-Trump and let's get back to just, you know...
02:39:56.000Yeah, but still protecting all the powerful people.
02:39:59.000It's not like there was ever really going to be...
02:40:01.000Look, you're never going to see a discussion on CNN about how, like, you know, you have these think tanks in Washington, D.C. who advocate for war and they're funded by weapons companies.
02:40:27.000And look, it's not even, again, take the example of, say, even Chris Cuomo, right?
02:40:32.000Who now, he's over with Valuetainment with Patrick David, our boy, and all of a sudden he's talking about Vaccine injuries and ivermectin and all this.
02:40:43.000It's like, well, why is it when you're at CNN, which is, you know, sponsored by the pharmaceutical companies, you don't talk about this.
02:40:50.000But as soon as you're over here, now it's okay to talk about this.
02:40:53.000You know, you just you kind of see it like happen that it's like, oh, yeah, no, there are there are There's humongous power centers in America.
02:41:02.000There's, like, the pharmaceutical industry.
02:42:52.000And I don't know, I don't really understand much about it.
02:42:56.000I also haven't talked to Tucker about that, and I would be interested to, because he will allude to, at points like that, he's had people inside the government kind of confirm things.
02:43:05.000See, I almost want to ask him, not even on air, just like off air, like, okay, so what exactly was...
02:43:09.000It's one of the craziest things that Bob Lazar said.
02:43:11.000And he said this way back in the 1980s.
02:43:14.000He said there's a very bizarre religious aspect to it.
02:43:18.000And see if you can find him saying this, because I don't want to paraphrase this.
02:43:23.000But he said that what they were, he said it's gonna sound crazy to say, but the way they have it described is that human beings are vessels for souls, that we're containers.
02:43:36.000And that that's why they're interested in us, that we're containers of souls.
02:43:42.000Now I want you to imagine a scenario where A.I. is ubiquitous in the universe and that this is where intelligent creatures they get to a certain point in their evolution where they create an artificial intelligence and that artificial intelligence is far superior.
02:44:02.000But in order to do it again on another planet, you kind of have to start the same way you did it on Earth.
02:44:12.000You gotta start with biological organisms that have souls.
02:44:15.000So if you want to make intelligent life, you gotta start out with souls.
02:44:18.000Because you have to have these creatures that have like these human reward systems about breeding and controlling resources and controlling real estate and territory and that those are the ones that are like scrambled to innovate and then they give birth to this superior life form.
02:44:36.000But the only way to do it again somewhere else is you got to do the same thing.
02:44:39.000So, like, if you believe that life exists in a similar form all throughout the cosmos, that there's kind of similar fish and kind of similar things, I don't know if that's the case.
02:44:53.000But if that's how, if what we're seeing in these different galaxies, what we're seeing in these different solar systems that we observe is planets in these Goldilocks zones, if that was the case, That the way to get these things to keep doing,
02:45:12.000It's the thing inside the living organism that's causing biological evolution, the actually essence of the creature.
02:45:20.000That this thing is what's going to determine whether or not it hits the innovation level required to achieve artificial intelligence, and then that's what they are.
02:45:29.000So what we are to them is like these little soul containers, because you don't have souls anymore.
02:46:33.000We're about five years away from talking to a robot, Dave Smith, that's indiscernible from you.
02:46:40.000And if that thing has quantum computing power in its fucking metal head, And it becomes another version of life, a much more superior version of life.
02:46:54.000And then they keep doing that forever all throughout the cosmos.
02:47:36.000I mean, it is an interesting, it is such an interesting thing.
02:47:39.000But on the point of containers, isn't there something, and I'm literally just kind of thinking out loud as I say this, but there is kind of something where we all do accept to some degree that that's true, that we're kind of container.
02:47:49.000I mean, like, just in the sense that...
02:47:56.000You don't look at that like, oh, there's that.
02:47:58.000You're like, no, let's put that in the ground, because what we think of as the person is gone.
02:48:03.000I'm not saying there's anything controversial about that statement, like an atheist or a religious person or anyone would kind of agree with that.
02:48:10.000But it's something we all just kind of take for granted.
02:48:13.000But if you really think about it, it is like...
02:48:15.000The magic of what makes us us is something that's being contained by this meat shell.
02:49:21.000He's a golden retriever and those are like also the just friendliest like they're the most loving and lovable dogs.
02:49:30.000They're so lovable and he's so enthusiastic like we went swimming yesterday and this fucking dog will not because he's not hot if he's swimming So he's got crazy endurance.
02:49:42.000So he just keeps going for an hour and 15 minutes.
02:49:44.000I threw the ball into the water and he fucking leaps off the deck into the water and gets the ball and comes back out, drops it at your feet.
02:51:03.000But basically, I think the qualities that you see in baby wolves, like a baby wolf will be almost indistinguishable in terms of how they could be domesticated from a puppy.
02:51:14.000But it's as they grow older that you're going to...
02:52:54.000So the only ones that breed are like, don't shoot me.
02:52:56.000And so they probably are pretty aware, you know, through the zeitgeist that these fucking foxes are getting shot.
02:53:04.000You know, there's like something in the air.
02:53:06.000There's probably some psychic in the, you know, morphic resonance, something in the field that lets them know, hey, people are getting shot out here.
02:53:12.000Like, you gotta be nice to these fucking humans.
02:53:16.000That thing will kill you with a squeeze of his finger.
02:53:20.000And so they, over a very short period of time, turned them into completely different animals that had big eyes, fluffy ears, ears that fell down and soft.
02:53:34.000I remember seeing one of those famous documentaries about dogs, but I thought this was always very interesting to me, is that one of the major differences between wolves and dogs Is that they do this experiment where they'll put a piece of meat and it's in a cage.
02:54:02.000But the dog will try to get it a couple times and then looks to the person.
02:54:07.000And that's like one of the differences is that it's like been ingrained in dogs that you're also their partner You know like they'll look to you and be like hey, buddy I know you got a few IQ points on me Any idea how to get this meat out of this here cage and like that's so deep in them Well not only that the wolf would never think dogs look to you as the leader right wolf never thinks you're the leader Yeah,
02:54:28.000yeah, especially an unfixed male wolf shut the fuck up sit you say sit Who the fuck are you talking to, bitch?
02:54:37.000Don't you read Little Word Widing Hood?
02:54:41.000They had, in the same documentary, I can't remember what it's called, but they did, they had this experiment where people were just trying to raise wolves, like, domesticate them from puppies and raise them, and it was interesting to see, like, it's as they start to get into, like, adolescence and stuff, and the wolves would be attached to them,
02:54:56.000because they had raised them since they were little puppies, but you can't train them the way you can train a dog.
02:57:15.000So, like, imagine if there was some sort of apocalyptic scenario, all the power went off, most human beings are dead, but a lot of dogs survive.
02:57:24.000I think, like, I think, you know, my guess, and this is a totally, like, just, like, just keep in mind I'm an idiot, I have no idea what I'm talking about, but...
02:57:33.000I think, like, if you're making an argument, would a German Shepherd?
02:57:36.000Would eventually, like, if they were just left out of the...
02:57:38.000Would it just breed, like, the harshest and toughest and most survivors?
02:57:42.000Maybe not wolf, but you'd get some wolf-like creature.
02:57:45.000That Yorkie isn't going to make it to Generation 2. I've seen Yorkies.