On this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, we have our first guest on the show, a professional hunting guide and guide guide. We talk about his adventures in the frozen tundra of the Alaskan arctic, and how he got into hunting for muskox in the dead of winter. We also talk about some of the challenges of hunting in the cold, and what it's like to be a guide in the arctic. This is a great episode for anyone who's ever wanted to learn how to hunt and guide, or if you're interested in learning how to guide a wild animal, this is the episode for you. Cheers, Joe! If you like what you hear, please HIT SUBSCRIBE and leave us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts and other podcasting platforms. We'll be looking out for your comments and questions in the next episode. Thank you so much for all the support, stay safe out there, and stay safe Fire Family! Cheers! -Jon & Rory <3 -Jon and Rory -PSA -Reedy -The Joe Rogans Experience Jon Rogan Podcast by Night, by Day, All Day, by Night - All Day - by Night All Day by Night all Day, By Night, All day, All Night, By Day, all day, by DAY, by SUNDAY, by SEA, by SEVEN PODCAST, by SONGS, by NOVEMBER, by MONDAY, by FRIDAY, NOVOR, by VAST, by THURSDAY, BY SUNDAY! by VENO, by FRIENDS, by DAILY, by FASTEST, by MARCH, by WEEKLY, by AUGMENTARY, by DESTIN, by JOE, AND SOONER, BY FAST WEEKEND, by ANCHOR, BY MONDY, BY CHEERS, BYEST, BY SEA, AND BY SUNNY, BY VESTETTER, BY DESTINE, BY ACHTER, AND OTHER THAN FROG, BY DAY, BY NAKED, BY CHRISTMAS, BY JOSY, AND MORE! Jon and RYAN, I LOVE YOU, I'S BECAUSE HE'S SONDS, BY EGGS, AND I'M TALKING ABOUT EVERYTHING?
00:00:33.000I think you're responsible for most of my Spotify playlist.
00:00:36.000It's got to be over 50. At this time, the amount of people that actually have podcasts that got podcasts after I told them, you should probably do a podcast.
00:00:45.000I ran into people that would tell me personally in the street, dude, I love your podcast, but please stop telling everybody to do a podcast.
00:02:30.000It's like you could be out there and one day this happens and everything's fine and the next day you get attacked by a bear and the next day you're like...
00:03:35.000Oh wow, so it's like little trailers out there?
00:03:38.000Yeah, you're just, you're essentially traveling on frozen ocean and you look at the size of the Arctic and it's like larger than North America.
00:10:46.000Maybe he went there, but someone went there.
00:10:48.000Point is, these people are extremely happy.
00:10:51.000And all they do is go trapping and fishing and hunting.
00:10:55.000And they live in these villages and they go around on snowmobiles.
00:11:00.000It's interesting because it's like, what is life supposed to be about?
00:11:05.000Is it supposed to be about enjoying yourself or is it supposed to be about accomplishing things?
00:11:09.000Because if it's supposed to be about accomplishing things and you don't enjoy yourself, it seems like you're kind of missing part of the point of life.
00:11:17.000And these people, their life is enjoyable.
00:11:21.000They're laughing, and when they're going hunting, they're talking about hunting, how much they love hunting and fishing, and it's fun, and you get all this food, and they're just pulling these massive pike out of the river.
00:11:32.000They have these giant nets and shit, and so they're having a good old time, like, all day long.
00:11:52.000This guy was showing how to make a ski, and so he's using the pitch and the tar and heating the thing up and cutting it perfectly and planing it.
00:12:29.000This just doesn't seem like a good path for the rest of my life.
00:12:33.000He goes, I'm seeing all these people that were managers and executives are trying to work their way up the corporate ladder and everybody's miserable.
00:13:29.000Like a guy who I would talk to on a podcast.
00:13:31.000And the more we're talking, you know, because we're on this four-hour fishing trip, the more we're talking, he starts telling me his background, he starts talking about the business he was in.
00:13:51.000They stay miserable, they buy a new Lexus, and they feel pretty good about themselves.
00:13:56.000Yeah, that's why I feel very fortunate.
00:13:59.000I feel like a pretty happy person because I pretty much get to do what I love all the time.
00:14:03.000You get to do the thing that everybody looks forward to.
00:14:06.000If you're a hunter and you have September for our elk or November for whitetail, you look forward to the rut like nothing else in life other than your kid's birthday.
00:14:31.000So we brought you out here today to do a podcast, but also because I wanted to get you into Ways to Well because you had a crazy wrist injury that you wound up getting two surgeries on, right?
00:14:43.000Yeah, because last time I was in here, I just started shooting that mouth tab.
00:15:03.000Yeah, so, I mean, I tore tendon in my wrist that does a lot of the movement things and it ended up being dislocated and had to do a reconstruction of the tendon and all that stuff.
00:15:13.000Had a surgery, essentially a botched surgery, which made...
00:15:19.000The surgery did probably more damage than maybe even the initial thing.
00:15:24.000The bad surgery caused a lot of complications and then had to have a salvage surgery after that.
00:15:31.000What kind of complications did it cause?
00:15:33.000I mean, I lost the feeling in my hand.
00:16:31.000And then that caused the – everything was – it was an anchor screw, so then that tore – so they took my tendon, used that tendon to make a tendon, and then that damaged the tendon.
00:16:43.000But then I'd been under and under a tourniquet for so long that it's like you got to just finish it up, see what happens.
00:16:49.000Well, what happened was the – Tendon tore.
00:16:51.000So essentially surgery was complete failure.
00:17:31.000Yeah, and part of it for me is just, so I wasn't going to sit out in archery season, so I learned to shoot with my mouth because I couldn't draw the bow with my right hand or with the right wrist because it was immobilized for a long time, casts and all that stuff, so I would have missed a hunting season.
00:17:46.000So I just learned to shoot, biting down on a tab, drawing back, shooting.
00:17:51.000Got super proficient with it and had probably one of my best seasons.
00:19:37.000I think there's a lot of malarkey that I recognize from, like, Like, when people say you have to do certain things one way with martial arts.
00:19:52.000There's a lot of different ways to skin a cat.
00:19:54.000Like, there's people that didn't even know that, and they started drawing to their non-dominant eye, but you can never shoot with both eyes open that way.
00:20:02.000Boxing trainers will always tell you that you should, like, in the beginning, they would never tell you to switch stances.
00:20:43.000And with archery, I bet if you practice, no one's going to get a left-handed bow, but I bet if you did, I bet you would get better at your right.
00:20:52.000Because that's a phenomenon that happens with learning things.
00:20:56.000Like even learning how to write with your left hand will teach you to write better.
00:21:01.000You'll write better with your right hand.
00:21:02.000I don't know who it was, but I'd heard there was a guy, a fairly prominent archer, that got such bad target panic.
00:21:12.000That he switched to shooting the opposite hand, and it helped.
00:21:17.000Yeah, because his brain was so trained to shooting one way that he just switched.
00:21:31.000If folks don't know what target panic is, it's a real thing, particularly with target archers, with people who their whole life is like, your life is about getting an arrow to an X. And if you fuck up even a little bit,
00:21:48.000just a little baby fuck up left and right, it's a nine.
00:21:51.000And if you really fuck up, it's an eight.
00:21:53.000But if you hit that X... You're banging tens, baby.
00:22:33.000We've had Joel Turner from Shot IQ, his whole system that he has for keeping people in a conscious state of mind so that you don't experience that.
00:22:43.000You don't just go on, you don't just spaz out, which I can't recommend enough.
00:22:47.000It's very, very, very good stuff for people.
00:22:50.000But I guess for a guy like you, You do it so often that it's like a normal thing.
00:22:56.000You actually hit the trigger when you want the arrow to go.
00:23:47.000From when I first started shooting, but yeah, it's not, it's probably not pretty, but I do, I actually do more of a, I do, I use an index release, which is just like a post where you activate it with your trigger, but the way that I've done it is I use kind of more of like a back tension style of pulling with that.
00:24:08.000I used to just slap the trigger and it's super accurate with it.
00:24:15.000You know what's funny is that's how I started shooting, and I was actually shooting tournaments and 3D things, just getting my foot in the door with it just for fun in the off-season.
00:24:26.000Never got super serious because it cut into hunting, but...
00:24:29.000I'd do it, and I was winning by a lot.
00:24:33.000And this guy that I was shooting with was like, you're shooting absolutely wrong.
00:24:36.000You're not supposed to shoot like that.
00:25:54.000Right, you might be shooting in a window.
00:25:56.000Yeah, or in the wind, and I've got to cant the bow just right, and I need to make, like, a more technical shot that maybe, not that it's rushed, but it's like, this is when it needs to go.
00:26:36.000Yeah, so he pulls on the wall so hard, so he's just got that motherfucker locked out, and he uses, in indoor tournaments, he uses a thumb, and hunting, he uses a finger trigger.
00:26:52.000Like, you can't, there's that thing, like, there's, if you can do that with a sniper right, like, I had a long conversation with Andy Stumpf about this, who was in SEALS, and he's a sniper, and I was, you know, we were talking about Like, methods.
00:27:05.000And he's like, as long as you're repeatable, you know how to do this one method.
00:27:11.000Like, this mindset of there's only one way to do it, it has to be an unanticipated shot.
00:27:56.000Some people are freaked out by anxiety, the moment, the adrenaline, or they don't know how to keep their mind contained like with Joel Turner's methods, which I think anybody Anybody should know that.
00:28:56.000There's also like, in a situation where you might get a shot soon or you didn't know you're going to get a shot and all of a sudden you do.
00:29:06.000Because if you didn't know you're going to get a shot and all of a sudden you do, your adrenaline just kicks in, your fucking heart's beating.
00:31:08.000Or like, let's say I'm, sometimes too, if I'm like shooting and I go, God, this is, I'm just not shooting good.
00:31:14.000Then I'll swap up the way that I shoot and go, okay, there's something like, My normal method of shooting is, yeah, maybe it's, I don't even know if you'd call it target, like essentially a target panic kind of where I'm not shooting, right?
00:32:01.000A lot of folks who don't do archery is like you have specific anchor points.
00:32:05.000So the whole idea about shooting accurately is that you want to repeat the exact same position that you're in each time you shoot.
00:32:15.000So there's a peep sight that's in the string and you're looking through that peep sight and what you're trying to do is center the sight housing.
00:32:22.000So that it completely halos inside of that peep sight.
00:32:26.000And then you look down at your bubble and you want to make sure that your level, your bubble is level.
00:32:31.000So there's like a little leveler that's below your sight pin.
00:32:35.000So that means you're not going to be torquing the bow left or right or canting the bow, which could affect the way it goes off.
00:32:41.000And so you have anchor points, like the tip of your nose, and some people use a little button on the string that they touch, like Cam has one of those where it touches the corner of his mouth.
00:33:53.000You know, like, if you're holding, if you have, like, a hinge, you're doing like this, you've got your knuckle, like, right where your jaw is generally, or some spot in your face.
00:34:08.000And I've never had anybody explain to me why.
00:34:10.000I think it's probably because most people, like you said, if you're way back here, you're putting string pressure from your face onto the string.
00:34:16.000So it's pushing the knock one way or another.
00:34:19.000And so it'd be really hard to tune maybe because...
00:34:23.000You know, everything needs to be straight.
00:34:25.000And so you'd be pushing the knock one direction.
00:34:32.000But also, you could use a different style release where if you had, you know, an index style release where that's there and it's forward enough, it wouldn't make a difference.
00:34:41.000Well, the thing about those adjustable ones, when they have adjustable necks, like the Spot Hog, the wise guy has an adjustable neck.
00:34:47.000You can make that sucker, like, real long or you can pull it down short.
00:35:57.000There's so many different schools of thought in pool of how you're supposed to stroke the ball, whether or not you drop your elbow, what fingers you hold the cue with, whether you turn your wrist forward before you shoot or whether you always keep it parallel or dangling rather.
00:36:15.000I think it's with everything that people are struggling to master.
00:36:20.000People have ways that they think everybody should do it, and then someone will come along that does it completely different, and they're killing everybody.
00:36:32.000When the Filipinos came to America, American pool players, they would, back in the day at least, they would hold the cue lightly, but not like the Filipinos.
00:36:42.000The Filipinos, like Efren Reyes, who's one of the greatest of all time, he's barely holding on to it.
00:36:47.000It's like his hand is like a loose noodle.
00:36:50.000And he's just like, it's smooth, like he's playing a violin or something.
00:37:03.000And they changed the way Americans started playing.
00:37:06.000But if you had had like an American coach, like if you played that way and you sucked and you went to an American coach, they'd be like, what?
00:37:22.000These Filipinos are moving that shit around like crazy and playing like wizards.
00:37:26.000Some of the best players today, they drop their elbows, they move things around, they have long bridges, short Buddy Hall, one of the greatest of all time, short little tiny bridge.
00:37:34.000And some of the greatest players, long ass bridge, like Earl Strickland, long bridge.
00:40:03.000I... I can't say enough about ways to well and just stem cells in general.
00:40:09.000I mean, I've got a bunch from my friend Roddy McGee in Vegas, and what they do is fix things that you would ordinarily have to get surgery for.
00:40:21.000In your case, with the torn ligaments, they would have to have surgery.
00:40:35.000I have had a left knee problem for a long time.
00:40:39.000Like, I tore my ACL on my left leg when I was 22, I think.
00:40:47.000I tore it and then I had a surgery on it where they did a Patella tendon graft and they tried to suture up the meniscus because there was a tear in the meniscus as well.
00:40:57.000But the suture didn't take the meniscus tore and then had a bucket handle tear in the meniscus, which is pretty significant because it would lock my leg out and so that I had to get some of the meniscus removed.
00:41:08.000So it's always like a little less stable there.
00:41:10.000There's a little space there and it gets banged around.
00:41:14.000And it got over the last couple of years, it's actually the stupidest fucking way I heard it ever.
00:41:20.000I was on my way on stage at Stubbs in Austin, which is an outdoor venue.
00:41:27.000And as I was going up these cement stairs, the stairs take like a little turn, and I was turning the recorder on on my phone to record my set, and I stubbed my foot against the stone, and it twisted my knee sideways like somebody heel hooked me.
00:42:36.000So I've been doing all these goblet squats on a slant board and Nordic curls and all these different exercises to strengthen all the muscles around the knee, which I never really bothered to do.
00:42:46.000I would do leg exercises, but I didn't think specifically exercises that stabilize the knee.
00:42:53.000So between that and ways to well, I have zero pain now.
00:45:26.000There's actually hearings about this now because some people are arguing that Apple has created an unfair monopoly on the cell phone world because of the whole green bubble, blue bubble, iMessage thing.
00:45:53.000Because if you have like a Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra, which is arguably the best phone on earth, if you have that phone, you give a green bubble.
00:46:02.000You looked at less than you have an iPhone X. Because you get a special color bubble.
00:47:15.000And now, when they're doing this, like, with these phones, like, Apple's phones don't give you nearly as much flexibility in terms of, like, what you can do with the camera app.
00:51:12.000Whereas if you have a Windows or Mac, if you sent me an email from a Windows laptop and I have a Mac laptop, I have no idea you're sending me it from a Windows.
00:52:38.000So I was watching this video on this last night by that Rob Braxman guy, and he was explaining, he's an interesting guy that is like all about, his whole YouTube channel is about privacy.
00:52:48.000It's all about how many people are siphoning off information off your phone and everything every day.
00:52:53.000But what he was saying that the people that got arrested January 6th All the people that were, like, around the Capitol, they got arrested because of their cell phone data.
00:53:03.000So their cell phone data gave their geolocation, their tracking.
00:53:07.000And so what the FBI did was say, hey, who was there?
00:53:11.000And they went to all these different cell phone companies, they got all their data, and they said, well, all these people shows that their phone was on the Capitol lawn or was in the Capitol building.
00:53:28.000And even if you were there, just to see what's going on.
00:53:30.000Like, if you and I were there, and you have your bullshit snitch phone over there, and that bullshit snitch phone is just constantly giving off all of your location to anybody and every app that asked for it, and you're on that Capitol lawn, and you're like, this is crazy, let's get out of here.
00:53:44.000And then all of a sudden, like six months later, the FBI knocks on your door and thinks you're an insurrectionist.
00:54:01.000Yeah, I think inevitably there will be no escape.
00:54:05.000And I think all this de-Googled stuff, and it's great.
00:54:08.000It's really probably good to protect yourself from, you know, the prying eyes of big government and big business and big data and all these people that try it.
00:55:35.000The tech that's coming out of China right now, I mean, have you seen their electric cars that could just drive over bumps, and there's zero motion in the car?
00:59:21.000I've got little kids now too, so I'm always on the lookout for cars and other things.
00:59:26.000They started putting signs in Germany or somewhere where they're on the ground so they can see whether to walk or not walk when they're on the ground.
00:59:36.000The lights are now on the ground because everybody's looking down.
00:59:39.000How many people are developing bad posture because of this?
01:02:45.000Why is Joe Rogan selling free crossbows?
01:02:49.000This came up today because someone was saying that Kanye West is making a limited production Cybertruck, like he redesigned the outside of the Cybertruck, and it's like three million dollars.
01:03:00.000And so dudes were asking me about, I'm like, I don't know if that's real.
01:03:02.000Like, I saw that thing too, like on, I think I saw it on Instagram.
01:04:07.000If I had heavier arrows, and I had like a single bevel, like an iron will, or even a double bevel, something with a cut on contact, I used like a regular three blade.
01:04:19.000It was like a Montech style, you know?
01:04:53.000Yeah, but it made me think like if I had you know a two blade so it's just you know it cuts better it gets more penetration and then if I had a sleeve over the collar over the end of it you know like some protective yeah sort of and then a heavier arrow.
01:06:00.000Yeah, and I feel like it's better to make a good shot, because with a mechanical you have to almost intentionally make a bad shot sometimes, but banking on the fact that it's cutting larger.
01:06:11.000Because you have to stay away from the shoulder, or depending on the angle, a quartered away shot.
01:06:16.000I've had failures with mechanical ones, so I just stay away from them.
01:06:21.000What mechanicals have you tried in the past?
01:06:45.000It's crazy to see how fast things go down, because you open up such a hole in them, and he shoots 90 pounds too, so he's got a lot of kinetic energy.
01:06:52.000A lot of kinetic energy, and then this big cutting surface of four blades.
01:08:08.000Yeah, and you probably, those like long arrow, you know, probably, I mean, I imagine there'd be whatever species traveling up those more sandy bottoms when they're spawning and stuff like that.
01:08:20.000So they probably shoot spawning fish a lot and then have those and you just grab the arrows with the fish on it.
01:10:12.000Well, it's also, it's like there's so many spots on Earth where you go, wait, that used to be a forest, like the Sahara Desert used to be a rainforest?
01:11:33.000The Archaeoceti, a now extinct suborder of whales.
01:11:37.000The site reveals evidence for the explanation of one of the greatest mysteries of the evolution of whales, the emergence of the whale as an ocean-going mammal from a previous life as a land-based mammal.
01:11:48.000No other place in the world yields the number, concentration, and quality of such fossils.
01:17:47.000Yeah, I guess they'll keep doing it and then develop breeding pairs, and then they're going to have to separate them to make sure that they have genetic diversity.
01:17:55.000Are they going to put them back in the wild?
01:20:26.000It's been associated with a genetic bottleneck in human evolution about 70,000 years ago.
01:20:30.000It's hypothesized that the eruption resulted in a severe reduction in the size of the total human population due to the effects of the eruption and on the global climate.
01:20:39.000According to the genetic bottleneck theory, between 50,000 and 100,000 years ago, human populations decreased by 3,000 to 10,000...
01:20:48.000decreased to 3,000 to 10,000 surviving individuals.
01:21:22.000It's supported by some genetic evidence suggesting that modern humans are descended from a very small population of between 1,000 and 10,000 breeding pairs.
01:21:39.000So there was a 10-year volcanic winter triggered by the eruption.
01:21:42.000It could have largely destroyed the food sources of humans and caused severe reduction in population sizes.
01:21:48.000These environmental changes may have generated population bottlenecks in many species, including hominids.
01:21:54.000This in turn may have accelerated differentiation from within the smaller human population.
01:21:59.000Therefore, the genetic differences among modern humans may represent changes within the last 70,000 years rather than the gradual differentiation Over hundreds of thousands of years.
01:24:37.000I had this, I was hunting last year, and there was just a bunch of them everywhere, and there's this old water trough that had, I guess, you know, like a cattle water trough out in the abandoned, and somehow some got in there, must have died, and then the other ones keep piling in.
01:24:53.000It was like probably, I don't know, a foot or two deep of just dead crickets with crickets just piling into it, and the smell was so bad.
01:25:11.000There was a small town in rural Nevada that had the crickets come in.
01:25:15.000So they just decided, I don't know, they put a bunch of speakers down and would blast hard rock music and apparently kept the crickets away from the town.
01:26:42.000Yeah, because you walk through there and you step and you step on them and they create these piles of just eating each other, eating each other, eating each other.
01:27:58.000Like, people starve to death because of locust infestations.
01:28:02.000Well, I think, yeah, even something like that.
01:28:04.000You see the plants, they just come, they'll be on the plants and just, it's like a tree covered in the bugs and they're just constantly eating it, eating it, eating it.
01:28:12.000And then I guess they lay the eggs under the ground and then die.
01:30:47.000I have seen a pack of wild dogs in an area where there are wolves, and those wild dogs, like, they get pretty vicious and pretty efficient pretty fast.
01:31:04.000Like, people buy wolf hybrids all the time.
01:31:06.000I wonder, though, if they would actually survive, you know, kind of the challenge to breed.
01:31:11.000But if the pack of feral dogs is large enough, they could probably...
01:31:16.000I wonder if it's a cycle that just would happen automatically if given enough time.
01:31:20.000Like if you could reproduce the cycle of turning a wolf into a dog, if you just let the dogs out and there would be no more dogs and just be all wolves and then civilization re-emerges and we turn wolves into dogs again.
01:33:10.000Yep, and just root it up and going for worms and other stuff.
01:33:14.000They smell what's underneath the grass and go for it.
01:33:16.000If you were just living wild and if the world goes to shit, they're the best animal to have around because you are insured there's going to be a high population if you don't have predators.
01:33:47.000When people do bring animals into a place, like we were talking about Adam Greentree today, And he, you know, he lives in Australia where they kill cats.
01:34:23.000You know, it's just every time humans bring an animal into an area, almost definitely, especially if it's a predator, they're going to fuck everything up.
01:34:30.000Yeah, and most of the time they bring it in to control the rats and the mice.
01:34:34.000And it's like, well, nobody's going to, they're elusive.
01:34:37.000They're going to definitely kill the ground-nesting birds that are way easier to hunt and kill.
01:35:28.000Do you guys not know what a grizzly bear is?
01:35:30.000Maybe you should go speak to them about your experience on Fognac Island.
01:35:33.000The thing about grizzly bears is it's generally people that don't live in those areas making the decisions for the people that do.
01:35:40.000If you think about it, in the places where you're going to encounter a bear, there's not that many people that live there.
01:35:46.000But the actual number of people that get attacked and killed might be insignificant in the whole population, but in those areas it's pretty significant.
01:35:55.000It'd be like, what if we released, I don't know, Kodiak brown bears?
01:35:58.000Well, there was brown bears in California, and it's on their flag, right?
01:36:01.000Like, coastal, large, giant brown bears.
01:36:04.000I mean, a couple of those running through San Francisco would probably clean up the street pretty quick.
01:36:24.000You look at the whole of Canada where there's nobody living, and there's a lot of brown bears, grizzly bears, All the way through Alaska into the Arctic.
01:36:33.000There's a lot of those bears around in places where there aren't people.
01:37:17.000And imagine if it's like, I mean, percentage-wise, I don't know, the amount of people that get attacked and killed by bears is going up for sure.
01:37:24.000And it might be a small percentage, but okay, if you took it per capita, people that are in their turf, right?
01:39:52.000I know we played it on the podcast before, but it is a bizarre video, because you watch the video, you're like, wow, that's a big wolf, and it's running near this cow, and then someone comes along and chases it away, and it runs off.
01:40:39.000Yeah, we saw a pack of them, and the same day that we saw four to six of them, a friend of mine, I was with Kip, and they saw six others somewhere else.
01:40:52.000They say the population is not that large, but that's a substantial portion of the population.
01:41:01.000And at camp, we heard, which would be completely different ones than the ones that we were seeing, because I was like 30 miles away from where I was camping.
01:43:09.000But also, too, I mean, when you think about wolves being across the United States, we had a giant Great Plains full of bison, millions of bison.
01:43:17.000Like, they had a lot more food sources and a lot more availability to preferred food sources.
01:43:37.000I don't know how much it's speculation, but I'm pretty sure this is a fact that they took wolves that were depredating Like cattle and then release them in Colorado and guess what they're doing?
01:45:43.000And the world's so much different now.
01:45:46.000You can't just go back to the way things were because it just isn't possible.
01:45:52.000I mean, there's a lot of invasive plants that have taken over forage for undulance, and there's a lot of just so much that's changed road systems that were never carved there.
01:46:02.000I mean, wolves can travel a lot faster on roads and cover more country and be more efficient at killing.
01:46:08.000Yeah, and then there's going to be massive resistance to reducing their population, which there is already.
01:46:16.000You opened up a crazy can of worms because you don't understand wolves.
01:46:19.000The thing is, it's like these people that want to make these decisions to reintroduce these things, they're essentially activists.
01:46:24.000They have this idea in their mind, this utopian view of nature being played out, but they're not taking into account what these things actually are.
01:46:33.000You just have this beautiful, idealized version Of what a wolf or a grizzly bear is.
01:47:26.000There's not that many shirus moose, which is really hurting in areas where they've reintroduced wolves because they just weren't used to that kind of predator that time of year.
01:49:05.000So you have to gut it, but do you have to salvage the meat?
01:49:08.000No, I think that they can leave, so for this race, they can leave the meat there, but they have to like, I don't know whether they mark it with a GPS or something, so then somebody does come in and salvage the meat, yes.
01:49:19.000His dog, Falu, was injured before a CV shot and killed the moose with a handgun.
01:49:24.000Race rules require any big game animal killed in defensive life or property to be gutted before the musher moves on.
01:49:30.000He told officials he gutted the moose the best he could, however, he was ultimately giving a two-hour penalty because he only spent ten minutes gutting the moose.
01:50:03.000He's sawing at it with a bullshit dull knife trying to cut open this moose and then trying to cut all the organs out with that same bullshit dull knife.
01:55:27.000And so when you were up there, when you're trying to locate caribou, Do you go to these corridors where caribou naturally sort of gravitate towards?
01:55:40.000Do you know where they're going to be going?
01:55:44.000There we were able to travel by boat and we could look for them from the boat and go up and hike.
01:55:49.000Like in places in Alaska, there's places where they kind of live in the mountains.
01:55:54.000And when it's that, they kind of have just certain areas and they move around in the mountains, but they might not migrate like other herds do.
01:59:18.000Yeah, it was like one of the things like knowing somebody that has a connection with somebody that has like they have like gamekeepers of the area and then you get a permit from them and then they go with you that like the game wardens come with you.
01:59:31.000It's a whole deal and like these people have the area and it's their job to manage that area.
02:01:33.000You could tell it's steeper than shit because it's just dark and you can kind of see, but you don't really get the grandeur of what's going on in the nighttime.
02:02:16.000We're going we're planning on going out the next morning, but then like some people came into camp and just started Like our guys and those guys started fighting and then oh no, and then it was yeah It was a wild deal and so they're like we got to get out of here kind of deal They started fist fighting?
02:07:58.000He was always like in the middle of one fucking weird mountain range, camped up in this yurt with like 10 other people and they're eating bread.
02:08:55.000I like going different places just for that experience of the hunting culture.
02:08:59.000And it's kind of interesting because you'll go somewhere and maybe even there, like maybe didn't speak their language or whatever.
02:09:06.000But when we were on the mountain, it's like he's a hunter, I'm a hunter.
02:09:10.000And we had this certain kind of connection that you just don't get.
02:09:14.000It's pretty interesting where you go and it's like these are hunting cultures and they've done this for thousands of years just like we have and we do things similar.
02:09:22.000We don't even necessarily need to communicate that well because we both kind of are doing the same thing in the same way.
02:10:38.000Or if the opportunity comes up, it's more of just, oh yeah, I'll take advantage of an opportunity if it's given, like, oh, I know this person here, we can do this, and okay, cool, I'll try that.
02:10:49.000Or it doesn't matter whether it's New Zealand or Australia or North America.
02:10:54.000Well, you were doing a lot of trips to New Zealand, right?
02:10:56.000Yeah, that's where I came from to get here.
02:11:24.000And what a crazy thing that they did, where they just reintroduced, not reintroduced, but introduced all these European animals to the landscape.