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00:01:36.000I mean, what I like is that the way it works, or it seems like it works, is the planet gives you some impression, you know, things are going to stay this way.
00:01:46.000Like Les Rodriguez, there was people...
00:01:49.000Hanging out and they're like it's always gonna be like this and then suddenly Something flies through the earth's atmosphere and it's all gone like that in a second just gone so that's the that's One of the fascinating things is no matter what period you live in the Sun can just this just burp an extra bit of Plasma and that's a wrap.
00:02:12.000Yeah, that's a wrap for the whole planet that happens all over the universe and There's always something going on, like there's supernovas and volcanoes and, you know, that was the big part of the theory of the Anunnaki, was that volcanoes had ruined their atmosphere.
00:02:30.000And so they needed to suspend gold particles in the atmosphere to preserve their planet.
00:02:37.000Their ecosystem was getting fucked up.
00:02:40.000That is my favorite of all the wacky conspiracy theories.
00:02:44.000All the wacky, like, the evolution of man tied to the reason why gold is valuable to people that are, you know, basically have swords.
00:06:35.000And if you allow them to, if you don't have laws about like how much you can pay them and a living wage and how long the hours could be, people will take advantage of people.
00:06:44.000Anybody who thinks that those things aren't good has never worked a real fucking job.
00:06:49.000If you work a real job for real assholes, you realize like some people will tell you, hey, you got to work 15, 16 hours a day, period.
00:08:04.000Of unions is perfect for, like, a nonviolent revolution, which is, if at a planetary level, somehow people unionized, which you see it with these boycotts that pop up, these meme boycotts, when the collective decides to reject this thing or that,
00:08:26.000The nightmare, if you're trying to create the old pyramid hierarchical control structure, you need all the bricks underneath the eye to fight each other.
00:08:36.000Because the moment there, it's just like, wait, there's way more of us than you.
00:08:41.000And we have way more in common than we do that we're troubled with.
00:08:46.000And yet they concentrate more on the bullshit and then that's just like a fucking algorithm on your cell phone that accentuates everything that comes into contact with your life.
00:08:57.000And this is why I think at any given moment actual world peace is possible because we're just like always like enough people realizing that We're basically the same.
00:09:14.000We have ideologies that are based on fucking, like, ancient, crazy ideas that we're all connecting to.
00:09:23.000And some parts of the ideology is beautiful.
00:09:25.000Some parts of the ideology is madness.
00:09:29.000And it's, like, just abandoning some of the ideology, recognizing we're all pretty much the fucking same, and that this model of, like, some dude telling us to go and kill each other It's stupid.
00:11:06.000If you look at the path forward for the pyramid, the hierarchical people, it's like, man, yeah, I really can't tell somebody like a police officer to fire into a crowd of protesters.
00:11:22.000They're probably not going to do that.
00:12:14.000Because in a war, you can decide that you're gonna blow up entire buildings because you know the bad guys are in there and anybody else is just collateral damage.
00:12:32.000Imagine if they decided that the crime rates in gang-infested neighborhoods are too bad, so they're gonna send in fucking black ops guys to just take out drug dealers and blow up houses.
00:12:44.000Houses that have drug dealers in them.
00:13:08.000Like, okay, let's just say I'm an evil country, and I programmed these robot dogs, and the robot dogs, or spiders are more sinister, robot spiders, razor fucking razor claws,
00:13:23.000they're programmed to only kill women and children.
00:13:26.000So I release them into a city, they leave everyone alone except babies, kids, and women.
00:13:35.000On a planetary level, people will be like, we have to evaporate that country.
00:14:16.000It's so crazy that because it's existed for the longest time, we just accept it, that it's always going to take place.
00:14:24.000And then we also, if like you had a gamble, if you had a gamble, whether or not war would be here in 10 years, you know, like 100% it's going to be here.
00:14:39.000If it communicates in a different way.
00:14:43.000Like, what if AI makes rational decisions that can only be reached?
00:14:48.000Like, if you were looking outside of human emotions and cultures and cultural differences that we have with each other, If AI bypassed all of that and just looked at the problem as, you know,
00:15:05.000you have resources, you have allocation of those resources, people profiting off those resources, and then people who are in need or being taken advantage of to acquire those resources, and that's your whole game.
00:15:17.000And so this is the human race this whole game.
00:15:20.000You're willing to sacrifice this group of people that is the least powerful in order to empower all of your electronics.
00:16:36.000No, because this is what I've been thinking about.
00:16:39.000We picture the Terminator as the machine of death, but why?
00:16:44.000What is more dangerous than an adorable kid?
00:16:48.000What if I can make an android toddler, looks exactly like a toddler, send that toddler out on the battlefield, everyone's gonna stop firing.
00:20:31.000Dude, I'm trying to do a video podcast now, and what will happen is I'll be yapping into the camera for like 20 minutes, go back and look at the footage, and there's just a fucking zen pouch.
00:20:45.000Just like a fucking nasty, like a clump of toilet paper.
00:20:51.000How the fuck did it take you until 2024 to do a video podcast?
00:20:56.000Dude, it is so dumb that I didn't do it, but to be like real fucking honest...
00:21:04.000I don't like looking at myself on camera.
00:25:24.000Dude, this, so, and then, okay, the other assumption with the algorithm is that the algorithm is just like random, or it's using some set of variables and serving things up.
00:25:38.000I mean, you could, if you are controlling comments, Then that means, like, alright, let's just, like, make people mad at each other.
00:25:44.000Let's make people completely pissed at each other as much as possible, convey this idea that there's, like, these massive divides between us, and then they're gonna fight each other instead of recognizing they're pretty much the same.
00:25:59.000Like, or they're more nuanced than they think they are.
00:26:02.000And fuck, dude, that's how you control populations.
00:26:44.000So if you've seen one or two of those, it starts recommending more.
00:26:49.000At a certain point in time, it's going to probably...
00:26:52.000Actually encourage other people to do the same thing because that creates engagement And then you have this thing that emerges like was this a real thing like who's doing this like what is happening here?
00:27:02.000Why is this why is this a new thing that's happening over and over and over again?
00:27:06.000And it's just because you engaged with it and I think that could be slap fighting or it could be fucking for me It's like I see so many car accidents Oh my god, so many motorcycle accidents, so many people falling off bridges.
00:27:26.000When I went on TikTok and I stopped because it's like too good, but like within a second, it's just like something about the way I was looking at videos, zip popping videos.
00:27:38.000It's just like you like to watch zits pop.
00:27:41.000And then, of course, when you're seeing that, you're like, wow, that's fucking intense, dude.
00:28:08.000Fucking stinks, just all those dead blood cells.
00:28:11.000But dude, this is like, for me, after seeing that video, I've had to go back and just erase any idea I have about a consensus among people.
00:28:24.000Because I've been drawing that idea from comment sections.
00:28:28.000Like, oh, I guess this is what people think.
00:29:35.000I'd be like, let's put some fucking hardcore, weird synth music, we'll put the silver apples in there, really intense synth music, because I love synth music, and you're watching it like, is this a music video for synth music?
00:31:10.000Like, I'm not- obviously people are like, vile racists.
00:31:14.000But dude, come on, this murder- this- I hate this assessment of humanity!
00:31:20.000I hate- it's basically what they're saying is, minus the fucking capstone of the pyramid, We're just gonna kill each other because we're awful, brutal things that must be shepherded by old geriatric men who can't remember their fucking name.
00:32:41.000Now, I'm not saying throw out the judicial system.
00:32:43.000There shouldn't be, you know, jails or anything like that.
00:32:46.000I'm just saying this notion of humanity, minus an authoritarian, generally fucking patriarchal fucking, like, whatever, but I don't care if it's matriarchal, whatever it is, top-down fucking ruling system, without the king,
00:33:11.000Because in a collectivized society, I just feel like we'll take care of the problems quick, probably quicker than we do right now, and everything will balance out.
00:35:58.000There's a dude that films pig hunts and he uses spears and he hides in trees like above the pigs and then he has like a camera on the spear and he throws the spear down and stabs these wild pigs.
00:37:14.000The profit margin of American farmers is so low as it is, it's so difficult for them to make money, that if you got a million wild pigs running around your state or more, Texas has how many millions?
00:38:12.000So six months old, and then they have three litters a year, and they'll have five, six piglets in a litter, and they're just shitting out babies, and then they're destroying everything.
00:38:25.000They're just running through the ground, tearing up fucking golf courses and people's lawns in San Jose.
00:38:32.000Have you ever seen the San Jose videos?
00:38:59.000I just watched this, like, Crime Files thing about this psychopath who had pigs, and she would have people come and work for her, And then if they pissed her off...
00:39:26.000One woman's death by feral hog may not have been caused by the animal after all.
00:39:30.000Medical examiner determined that a feral hog killed Christine Rollins, but her daughter is skeptical because attacks by the animal are extremely rare.
00:44:31.000And I'm not saying everyone here is healthy or any kind of bullshit like that, but you look around, like, these people are fucking healthy.
00:44:37.000Like, there's a lot of healthy, like, you know what I mean?
00:44:45.000Just go to the lake, watch people run around the lake.
00:44:48.000Dude, in the, like, in the middle of a heat wave.
00:44:53.000Before I was exercising, one of the most humiliating things was just to be driving down the street and you look over and there's someone my age.
00:45:00.000It's 104 degrees and they're fucking jogging.
00:46:45.000You know, Texas Rangers had to go out there and cold camp and go and try to assassinate these bands of fucking killers riding horses that were just fucking up the Americans.
00:46:57.000This was the spot where it was like, this place was fucked.
00:47:00.000And until they conquered it, it stayed fucked.
00:47:03.000Then they did and now it's the whole place has a memory of that.
00:47:08.000Yes There's a there's a there's a thing about the attitude of this place.
00:47:12.000Yeah, dude It's but it's it's not what people think like people think they're assholes.
00:47:18.000They are the nicest Friendliest people people think they're stupid.
00:47:21.000They are some brilliant people that I've met that live out here brilliant normal people one of my neighbors was a Texas Ranger and he is the coolest guy and you know he's an older guy now he's retired but and he's still intimidating and um yeah man like he like he like uh he's like he's so fucking cool man and like and and he i'm trying not to give away to respecting his privacy uh he Every
00:47:52.000once in a while in the neighborhood, we would hear this BOOM! Sounds like a generator exploding.
00:50:32.000But the point is, I wonder, like, to shoot a cannon ball, like, at a ship back then, like, how much gunpowder they use, and how fucking loud was that?
00:50:42.000And how deaf were those motherfuckers?
00:50:44.000The dudes who had to work the cannons?
00:51:23.000I don't know what it's on, but there was, like, a cannon battle in a ship, and, like, yeah, a dude just gets his fucking leg ripped off because it, like, goes back into him.
00:51:35.000Dude, isn't it crazy that that seems crazy to us?
00:51:38.000But, like, how many people died in cannon battles as opposed to, like, when Israel bombs...
00:53:59.000If you think about the numbers, I think it's also the access that we have now to cell phone footage and how good it is and how quickly it gets posted.
00:56:01.000That died because someone wanted to do something and got a group of people to go and do their bidding, and they all were authorized to shoot people.
00:56:44.000It just pokes its fucking thing in your mouth and sprays psilocybin in there.
00:56:49.000Can you imagine if AI forced us all to take psilocybin?
00:56:52.000Oh, what a horrible day that would be.
00:56:54.000Can you imagine if that was AI's solution?
00:56:56.000I was like, human beings actually developed their consciousness through this sort of relationship that they had with Cubensis mushrooms.
00:57:05.000And this is the facts, and this is how we know, and this is why the doubling of the human brain size is such an anomaly, and it aligns with Terence McKenna's theories about how the grasslands receded.
00:57:20.000Or the rainforest receded into grasslands and people started eating cow shit bugs and cow shit mushrooms and then they started thinking about things different.
00:57:44.000And if AI just like tells people like this is what you really should be taking, like imagine if like instead of mushrooms, especially psilocybin, instead of it being something that terrifies people and that makes people think oh my god you take it you're gonna lose your mind, you take it you're gonna be a fucking loser.
00:58:00.000Imagine if it was actually scientifically proven that it does make you smarter and it makes you more effective at being a person and that these are the right doses.
00:58:10.000Imagine if AI just starts spitting out doses in order to gain this percentage of increase in cognitive ability.
00:58:46.000Because I don't know that we get a Ram Dass without psilocybin.
00:58:52.000There's a beautiful famous story of him hanging out with Tim Leary and some other luminaries and they had synthetic psilocybin.
00:59:01.000And that was pretty much the real beginning of his path.
00:59:07.000You know, sometimes I'm a little skeptical about this concept because I worry that – because I've met people who are really into psychedelics who are like – somehow it went the opposite direction.
01:01:05.000I think it's called Late Night with the Devil.
01:01:09.000It's a 2024 movie about a talk show host in 1977 that has this girl come on the show, and it's like really done, like it looks like you're in 1977. So good.
01:02:52.000The greatest deception ever, if demonic possession was real and we were all mocking it, and then one day you saw it, you actually saw it, you'd be like, oh no, it's real.
01:03:18.000Like, have you ever been like super high, you're walking down the street, you pass somebody having a psychotic episode, and they start saying what you're thinking?
01:04:11.000I forget who posted it up, but there's some video of all these college kids talking about, it went viral, all these college kids talking about what their degree was in, and all these woke kids with these ridiculous degrees,
01:05:32.000Apparently, we talked about this before, but apparently there are certain circumstances under which there's a certain type of bankruptcy that'll allow you to evade that, but I wonder what that is.
01:06:15.000If you declare bankruptcy and then the bankruptcy court determines repaying your loans would cause undue hardship, your loans can be discharged.
01:06:42.000For example, several types of loans associated with education expenses are dischargeable in bankruptcy like most other types of unsecured consumer debt.
01:06:52.000These types of loans for education expenses are not subject to the more difficult standard and extra step.
01:06:59.000These loans could include, for example, loans where the loan amount was higher than the cost of the attendance, such as tuition, books, rooms, and board, which can occur when a loan is paid directly to a consumer.
01:07:31.000Loans to pay for education at places that are not eligible for Title IV funding include unaccredited colleges, a school in a foreign country.
01:07:41.000So, so much for your wizard university, Duncan.
01:07:44.000You can't go bankrupt with your wizard degree.
01:08:39.000Is it symbolic of what we need in this life?
01:08:44.000Do we need to see what's happening in Palestine in order to reassess the way we behave as a civilization?
01:08:53.000Do we need crime to get out of hand before we realize that law and order is important and that we really need to figure out a way to stop crime at its root source?
01:09:36.000I wonder if you need to see 200 plus thousand dead people and just have that number in your head and just try to picture what that looks like.
01:10:52.000There's this constant push for progress.
01:10:54.000And if you just step back and look at where it's going with this train wreck of AI happening at the same time that's going on, it's like, oh, we were fueling this!
01:12:22.000There's some kind of thing that forms, which will fuck you up.
01:12:25.000And, because I love you, I'm going to let you figure it out.
01:12:31.000And then from that perspective, and also if there is some super intelligence and somehow in the universe there's a bifurcation or something that's centered on the self instead of others, That has an intelligence to it to really,
01:13:10.000Because inevitably, whatever it is, you take a psychedelic, for me whenever I take psychedelics, too many, right away I start thinking about how selfish I am.
01:13:19.000I start thinking like, dude, like, it hurts.
01:13:47.000And so to let these things that theoretically I'm talking about from Christian cosmology that you love more than anything else, which by the way, like in the Garden of Eden story, When God says something like, where are you?
01:15:12.000Like whether or not you murder a baby because the devil made you do it or because some other force that is just like the devil that just happens to be a part of human beings, that in violent rages, they could do horrific things.
01:15:28.000And then on top of that, also intentionally evil.
01:15:34.000Do we think the devil's invading the chimps when they're doing it?
01:15:36.000Or do we think that this is some bygone, some leftover shit that's in our DNA that can go sideways and allow people to become serial killers or allow people to become assassins?
01:16:20.000Now you're like, you know, $800,000 in fucking debt.
01:16:23.000And now what are you gonna fucking do?
01:16:25.000Like, you gotta figure out a way to make money.
01:16:26.000So how are you gonna make the fucking money?
01:16:28.000Well, you find some scam or some shit, right?
01:16:31.000And then the next thing you know, now you're like...
01:16:33.000Lying to people and now that you're lying to people you have to keep fucking lying to people and then you start lying to yourself and then you get lost in a maze of self-deception that leads you into lower and lower and lower levels of consciousness until the next thing you know you're in fucking jail or you're dead you're killing somebody and so so like Call it whatever you want to fucking call it,
01:16:53.000but this entropic reality in human existence is very fucking real.
01:16:59.000And the message of all the great lineages, whether it's Hinduism, Christianity, Buddhism, is at any given moment in that hell state you've gotten yourself into, there is a way to get the fuck out.
01:21:18.000So you have to wait for forever before things get back on track, things start getting profitable again, and then they start making Dune 2. I haven't seen it, but I heard it's awesome.
01:21:46.000And, like, you realize, like, oh my god, it's only been 30 fucking minutes, and this is already the most insanely beautiful thing I've ever seen in my fucking life.
01:23:53.000Dude, yeah, so, like, there's all these theories about Dune.
01:23:59.000But the blue eyes, so you eat this spice melange that you need it for space travel.
01:24:07.000It's only produced on, you know the story, but like the blue eyes.
01:24:10.000So there's a theory, because Frank Herbert was a mycologist.
01:24:14.000The blue eyes represent psilocybin and like that was his melange is like psilocybin and like Yeah, dude, and he he Apparently I think it's San Fran.
01:24:26.000He was living on a boat next to Alan Watts.
01:24:29.000Oh and they were they were fucking friends so a lot of the like You remember the Gom Jabbar, the needle that that witch puts to Paul Atreides neck to say, like, they want to find out if you're human.
01:24:43.000So you put your hand in this box that if you pull your fucking hand out of the box, she stabs you with this needle.
01:24:51.000It kills you because you're not human.
01:24:53.000And so Gom Jabbar, Gom in Tibetan Buddhism is the name for meditation.
01:24:58.000So there's all these, like, clearly he was pals with Alan Watts.
01:25:02.000And he, like, weaves a lot of, like, a lot of the language in it is, like, the daughter in the womb, I think her name's Aaliyah, which is, like, a Buddhist term for, like, the emptiness, for a state of pure consciousness.
01:27:10.000Isaac Asimov's Foundation series is widely understood to be the inspiration for Star Wars, Dune, and even the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
01:27:49.000And like in the book, even in the newest one, I don't think they convey, like he writes about the smell in those sieges in the underground, like in the caves that the Fremen are living in.
01:28:01.000He talks about the smell of the BO in there, like just all of these people living underground and the stink of that.
01:28:08.000But dude, did you see that video of David Lynch eating this girl's panties?
01:31:29.000People just realize that all you have to do is fucking hold hands with mouthfuls of panties, and if the two of you are talking at the same time, you could summon a super demon.
01:33:28.000If you do, there's no chance you're devoting the proper amount of time to things in your life that you shouldn't do.
01:33:35.000So it's this massive distraction and you get these arguments online that distract you from the failures in your real life.
01:33:41.000But that is representative in a lot of people's minds to how people think about whatever this person posted or whether this political argument that people are having about things.
01:33:52.000But that's not real, and then you've got the algorithm manipulation we were talking about, which is even more crazy!
01:33:58.000Now, not only do you have the most complainy fucking people complaining, but you have the algorithm showing things that are going to piss you off like, look at this fucking...
01:34:06.000And the phone's going to know that you took a screenshot of the comment and you sent it to me, and I'm like, wow, what a Dick!
01:35:19.000So your whole childhood has been on camera, and if it's not on camera, you're looking at your fucking mom, staring at the comments of the video she posted of you opening Christmas presents.
01:35:28.000Or you're just a standard kid and your childhood is constantly interrupted by your parents staring at their fucking phones.
01:41:50.000Dude, if you read The Painted Bird- No.
01:41:54.000Don't I mean it's so good, but it's the most like it's like It doesn't matter if you do spoilers for old books, but like one of the scenes This it's about a kid wandering like I think it's World War two He's lost his parents and he's got it like he's just wandering through the countryside and seeing just the most horrific shit you've ever seen and surviving but like he watches These villagers take a woman and shove a bottle into her pussy and then
01:42:24.000stomp on her pussy to break the bottle inside of her.
01:43:21.000They see the drug dealer rolls by in the nice car.
01:43:24.000Everybody else is a sucker for getting on the train.
01:43:26.000Yeah, and then everybody's in and then the next thing you know you're dead and then it just keeps going and you have kids that are raised without you and then you're it's like Whoo and then what do you do?
01:43:35.000So then what happens that reaction to the contagion is You you you you other that person so so now you see like the person in full bloom of evil And you look at that person like that's a fucking monster, but you can't go back and And look at like their childhood because if you start going back and looking at their childhood,
01:44:32.000It's like clearly this is a fucking problem.
01:44:34.000We've got people who are horrifically traumatized and then have made shitty decisions where they've got to commit to being some violent, monstrous, thieving piece of shit and rationalize it and justify it.
01:44:50.000But this is – if we could fix this problem – and I don't think the way we fix the fucking problem is dropping bombs on people.
01:46:02.000Dude, it's the worst fucking problem ever, man.
01:46:07.000No matter how horrific the monster is, or whatever it is, I try to not be afraid to put myself In the position of whatever the fucking thing is.
01:46:23.000And in this case, we've got two sides that right now seem to be being equally vilified by different groups of people, right?
01:46:31.000But man, dude, let me tell you something.
01:46:33.000If my fucking kid got blown up by a fucking bomb Right?
01:46:41.000I would like to think that I'd really listen to all the Ram Dass retreats and stuff and I'd like to think that I would be like Gandhi or have some blossom of love and be like, I forgive everyone.
01:47:37.000Even if the thing's smaller than you and you fuck with its kid, it will put itself in front of its kid.
01:47:43.000So we are looking at a problem of love, sadly.
01:47:47.000Which is like, on both sides, people love their fucking kids and have been, like, I can't imagine how a day goes by when you're fucking kids in a tunnel.
01:48:00.000I can't imagine how a day goes by when you're thinking about how this thing that you fucking love more than anything in the world got its head fucking blown off in a fucking explosion in a building.
01:48:11.000I don't know how you live one day like that, right?
01:48:14.000So when you look at that, the entirety of the thing is heartbreaking and irrational.
01:48:23.000It's completely irrational because both sides are trying to put out a fire with more fire.
01:49:32.000Regardless of how you think about religion and land, just stop for a second.
01:49:37.000Human beings that don't know other human beings and hate them so much they want to kill them.
01:49:41.000Like, seems that's a communication issue.
01:49:43.000That seems like some Tower of Babel shit.
01:49:46.000Like, that's the only way it makes sense.
01:49:48.000If we really get to a point, and I don't think it's going to be far from now, where we're all connected with real-time translation in real-time, somehow or another.
01:49:59.000I mean, they've already been able to do it with Google.
01:50:01.000They're already doing it with Samsung phones, where they can translate conversations.
01:50:07.000It'll translate back and forth to both of us.
01:50:10.000It's wild what they're already able to do.
01:50:11.000If we can get to some sort of I mean, it's not out of the question that if they do develop these neural implants, and there's not just Neuralink, there's several competing companies that are trying to do the same thing, because they recognize that once you can actually affect the human mind with electronics,
01:50:29.000and you can develop this symbiotic relationship with electronics, you could do some wild shit.
01:50:34.000And one of the things is you're gonna be able to talk without words.
01:51:45.000Why I think world peace is possible, because if you fucking look at what's happening, the system, it's like the framework is being built for just what you're talking about.
01:51:56.000The technological framework for a state, to get into that state, you either need to do a lot of psychedelics or a lot of meditation to really realize, like, you're me, I'm you.
01:52:08.000But the technological framework is forming for this thing to happen, which...
01:52:13.000Which is why, man, like, everyone fucking...
01:52:16.000I'm gonna seem like a Musk fanboy in a Tesla suit.
01:52:25.000In the future, when people look back on that shit, even if it doesn't work, even if the things are coming unplugged, whatever the fucking thing is, if that leads to what you're talking about...
01:52:59.000Well, how about you just completely abandon everything and just consciousness interacting with other consciousness, which makes hate impossible.
01:53:14.000All that gone, which is like that's the problem of being like a communication bully like if you're a person and you know that you have a vastly superior if you if you have a Vocabulary like an Eric Weinstein like for instance imagine if Eric Weinstein decided to bully someone,
01:53:34.000you know Like fucking red band, you know Who's a brilliant guy, but you know, sometimes he like stumbles on his words.
01:53:45.000Like if fucking Eric Weinstein's yelling at him with a bunch of long words, you go, hey, that guy's being an intellectual bully.
01:53:51.000You're not trying to communicate with him as a human being.
01:53:54.000You're trying to dominate him with your superior vocabulary.
01:54:12.000I'm not sure if that's the right word.
01:54:13.000But the point is that, like, it is a tool that you can wield for the benefit of your ego rather than just having a conversation.
01:54:23.000And those are the grossest conversations.
01:54:26.000When someone's just jizzing on you, well, I started a business, I sold it at two billion, and now I'm like, bro, I got a You know those kind of people?
01:56:08.000But normally, I'm like, the benefit of conflict in that regard, it's like almost zero benefit.
01:56:15.000All of my conflict, I try to keep internal.
01:56:18.000I don't want to have any conflict with external people.
01:56:21.000I want to have all my conflict with my own head.
01:56:24.000I want to have all my conflict with discipline, all my conflict with being nice to people and trying to be a better person all the time and trying to be wiser about my choices and how I describe things and talk about things and think of things and how I interface with ideas.
01:57:17.000So, like, it completely, like, removes the ability to be like, it's your fault!
01:57:22.000Because it's like, actually, whatever the fuck they did, it's kinda your fault.
01:57:27.000A vampire only goes where they're invited.
01:57:30.000You brought this person into your fucking life and they're behaving the way that your instincts told you they might behave and now you're mad at them for being the fucking way they are.
01:57:42.000So like anytime I'm getting like mad and butthurt over this person or that person or this thing or that, if I really analyze the situation, I chose it.
01:57:51.000I chose to bring that person into my life.
01:57:53.000I chose to connect to that person in some way or another.
01:58:06.000But you don't choose random acts of violence and random...
01:58:11.000Catastrophes and random things that happen to you, but you do in some way, but you don't even choose like getting attached to a sociopath, because if you're naive, you can get roped in.
01:58:21.000So there's problems with thinking like this, because you do have like really manipulative people, particularly like, you know, con people, con artists, get you to sign over your fucking, I'm due this business deal.
01:58:54.000And the next thing you know, you're signing off your bank account.
01:58:56.000And this guy, this sweet-talking guy who's been in and out of jail, and you just thought he was this cool guy you met at a bar, he's a con artist.
01:59:12.000Sometimes it's like people get scared at people that are really confident and talk really well, and they're just a little socially awkward.
01:59:20.000And they feel like it would be easier just to sign off and trust him than it would be to argue with him.
01:59:27.000Because he's so persistent, and you are so averse to conflict, that when someone's being really aggressive, Have you ever had someone to be really aggressive to try to get you to invest in something?
02:05:09.000It's so small that it's like, even though it's intimidating to get out in front of people, if you can do it in a room that only has 90 people in it.
02:05:22.000Dude, one time we were in the bar, we were downstairs, and we were talking, and someone was jumping up and down upstairs, and I'm watching the fucking ceiling buckle, and I'm like, yo, you know how old this building is?
02:05:35.000What was the last time anybody came in here and checked any of these beams?
02:06:14.000Yeah, I think you go up and you duke it out in a writing exercise It's designed like a specific target is one target.
02:06:23.000It's the other person So your comedy is all about a person, right, but that's it's a comedy exercise It's really a comedy writing exercise and I remember sitting there watching.
02:06:31.000Oh, this is incredible Like this is really an amazing thing that they've done.
02:06:34.000This is and Jeff Ross was there and And they have hosts and guests and I was one of the judges.
02:06:40.000That was like one of my first days back.
02:07:02.000You can't believe that came up in the moment and...
02:07:05.000Obscure shit related to whatever this person's weird job is that there's no way he could have predicted and had a fucking banger just in the chamber, ready to go?
02:08:29.000I've been trying to tell them to do a fucking show together forever.
02:08:33.000I'm like, you guys should do a show where just you and David Lukey just talk shit on each other and on anything that's going on in the news.
02:08:41.000I go, dude, I think it'd be a huge hit.
02:08:52.000And it's just like, those guys can't stop when they're in the green room.
02:08:55.000We're getting free shows all the time.
02:08:57.000If David Lucas and Tony Hedgecliffe are in the green room, the moment David walks in, Tony's scanning them, looking for flaws in what he's wearing, what he just said.
02:09:09.000He's trying to find references in the news.
02:09:13.000Dude, what percentage of Tony's brain is just scanning?
02:12:00.000Do you know that the guy who ran the cult, the building that I was under contract for, that I almost bought and turned into the mothership, the guy who ran that cult was in Rosemary's Baby?
02:12:45.000Yeah, and one of the guys that we had on our show, who was it that went down there that was it that went to the old where the rocket factory used to be now and then there's like fucking blood scenes.
02:13:18.000They went down to where the rocket factory used to be, and it's like a satanic ritual place now where freaks go, and they have blood splattered all over, or it looks like red paint or something splattered all over the walls, and weird writing and shit, and it's like, it was super creeped out, and then people were coming in there to do like,
02:14:52.000I don't want to say too much about it, but this particular comedy routine involves demonic possession, and these folks thought it was a riot, and they wanted it at their fucking wedding.
02:15:01.000Do you know how crazy you have to be to want that at your wedding?
02:17:12.000But is it like Christians, like you can have regular Christians, like you go to a really nice church, or you can go to a revival tent where a dude's got rattlesnakes.
02:18:00.000And so I remember being at the comedy store, and anytime I was hanging out with them at the comedy store, anytime there was someone left out, Zandora or Stanton would go over there and it wasn't a recruitment thing.
02:18:13.000They would just like include them in the circle because why?
02:18:25.000All I'm saying is when you judge a tree by its fruit and here's the thing, man, like, and I think not those guys- I never thought you'd be on here simping for Satan, bro.
02:19:19.000Like, the idea is, like, you have this being that is like, I don't really want to be forced to worship you, and I don't understand necessarily why you should have all the power and why.
02:19:36.000And then suddenly this bifurcation emerges between good and evil, sacred and profane.
02:19:42.000And so that version of Satanism is looking at that not as like what is the general interpretation, which is the problem with Satan was Satan was like Incredibly self-cherishing, self-absorbed, like really into himself.
02:19:56.000Whereas God is like, God's like the sun, just like radiating life and love and like with no sense of like, give anything back to me, just like, blah, love.
02:20:23.000Like, my impulses and instincts and desires aren't bad.
02:20:26.000Why are you telling me it's bad to jerk off?
02:20:29.000Why are you telling me that it's bad to come?
02:20:31.000Why are you telling me these things are bad when, like, all of them make me feel happy and good?
02:20:36.000And why are you turning me into a fucking monster for this shit?
02:20:39.000And who the fuck do you think you are?
02:20:40.000I'm trying in the best way possible to depict a more sort of anti-authoritarian Mysticism, right?
02:20:49.000So the symbol set they use is Satan, which most Satanists I've talked to are like, there's no fucking Satan, which I know everyone's like, of course they say that!
02:20:58.000Of course, that's the horror movie, Duncan.
02:21:00.000But I would just invite you to, if you are freaked out by Satanists, go hang out with one, and you are gonna...
02:24:00.000Dude, this makes Fifty Shades of Grey look like Dr. Seuss.
02:24:05.000Can I give you like one of the books and by the way now she's like got a stack of these fucking things one of these books so in this book A lady is a thief.
02:24:18.000And she steals the identity of a shark expert.
02:24:46.000To the side of the boat with her bleeding mouth shoves her head into the water while he's fucking her so the blood starts drawing sharks to bite her while he's fucking her.
02:28:26.000I don't think anybody's gonna get eaten by a goblin.
02:28:29.000But I do think that there's too many fucking stories of elves for me not to think that someone Reached some state of mind where they saw like a little person in the woods talking to them.
02:28:55.000The problem of stories being similar is people hear the stories and their imagination takes over and they depict their thing similar to the story that they've heard.
02:29:03.000That's a problem, like a copycat bullshit artist problem.
02:29:08.000But there's also too many stories of elves, man.
02:29:12.000There's too many of those stories and there's too many depictions of elves that are dancing around mushrooms.
02:29:53.000Like, they went through the war on drugs, they got indoctrinated into this insane anti...
02:29:57.000They have to do it if they're experts in the field, whatever field is represented, you know, like whatever sciences have to do with neurochemistry.
02:30:56.000When you and I were kids, when we were in high school, you didn't hear fucking shit.
02:31:00.000There's this one dude who was a drug addict and he hung out over there and he's a loser.
02:31:05.000You didn't hear a peep about shamanic rituals and Gordon Wasson going down to Mexico and getting all the mushrooms and doing these ceremonies with these traditional shamans.
02:32:14.000Ken Kesey apparently was in one of these LSD experiments, and he's just one of many great artists who accidentally got Liberated mentally by the fucking CIA. You know what I mean?
02:32:31.000They were just like, we want to use this to interrogate people.
02:32:35.000And all of a sudden, you've got Jimi Hendrix.
02:32:37.000And they're like, wow, you didn't expect that.
02:33:13.000That's the person that becomes famous and we've all seen that with like there's been you know a Milli Vanilli and shit like that Yeah, like it didn't make any sense like why why are they promoting this cuz like they had a product they're trying to push this product Yeah, and there's a lot of money behind that and also a lot of influence cultural influence and when they went through all that Vietnam shit with the fucking the Beatles and you Remember that?
02:33:55.000Like, all I know is like, it's like, it's a very confusing thing.
02:34:02.000If you want to be honest, if you love psychedelics...
02:34:05.000You owe a thank you to the fucking CIA. You know what I mean?
02:34:12.000I don't know for sure if the 60s as we understand them would have happened.
02:34:20.000I don't think the CIA was like, hey, let's create a lot of flower children and make people revalue life and realize that money maybe Isn't actually, like, something you should die for and, like, go against war.
02:35:40.000And that the brainwashing still works today.
02:35:43.000The brainwashing that they did on these compounds that might be the root of all religious experiences...
02:35:51.000All these things that you're hearing about in the Bhagavad Gita, all these things you're hearing about in the Bible, these wild-ass crazy stories, like what really happened?
02:36:00.000Those people might have had a psychedelic experience.
02:36:03.000In fact, the thing about the University of Jerusalem that attributes the story of Moses and the burning bush to dimethyltryptamine, Yeah.
02:36:14.000Because they think it might be an acacia bush.
02:37:22.000It has been weirdly an underground thing, and I think that's what we...
02:37:27.000If there is some cool thing that came from us coming up in the war on drugs, it's like when I was taking LSD in high school and getting an immediate...
02:37:41.000Reality check which is like you're hearing about this as being like since you were a kid you're gonna go nuts You're gonna like become legally insane whatever the fuck that means and then you take it and You're processing weird shit that happened in your childhood.
02:37:58.000You're loving yourself You're looking at the world and seeing it like it's the most beautiful thing you've ever seen you're hearing music that you've heard a million times for the first time and You realize oh They're lying.
02:38:59.000But if you look at the history, any substance like psilocybin, LSD, that breaks down the identity, that allows freedom from the sense of this is me and that's you, and produces at least the potential for merging With reality and with other people,
02:39:17.000it's not gonna work for that fucking hierarchical system.
02:39:21.000For the hierarchical system to function, you need, you're below me, you're above me, and the moment you're like, we're all the same, then suddenly the caste system stops working, classism stops working, the whole fucking thing falls apart,
02:39:36.000which is why I think that book you gave me, The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross, or even give me it when I was living with you, Actually, I was a dick.
02:39:46.000One of the reading materials you gave me during that wonderful time was this insane book about how Jesus and Christianity has its roots in psilocybin.
02:39:57.000Just for the sake of this rant, if you look at Jesus as psychedelics, It makes a lot of sense because what Jesus is saying is you don't need a priest class to communicate with the divine.
02:40:11.000You can do it right now, anytime you want, any day you want.
02:41:28.000And they haven't done psychedelics in a long, long time and then they become like a shitty Republican when they get older, you know?
02:41:34.000Well, you know, man, there's this Buddhist teacher I love, Sharon Salzberg, and one of her sayings I love is, the healing is in the return.
02:41:46.000Meaning, yeah, the way the waveform works is, Especially the psychedelics.
02:42:42.000My problem with psychedelics is, obviously it's a chemical, but what can happen is psychedelics become the priest class.
02:42:52.000So you take the psychedelic and you think, I'm experiencing this because of the thing, when the reality is the thing is showing you what's in you.
02:43:11.000And so those crusty ass fucking Republicans, whoever they may be, like just under the fucking surface is that unit of consciousness, if you ask me.
02:43:23.000If you're that way, if you're authoritarian, whether you're authoritarian left or authoritarian, right, generally speaking, unless you're talking about crime, and even then, you're scared, right?
02:43:36.000Because really, you should be addressing the root of the problem, which is like, why do so many people from so many very distinct areas keep going into crime, and why is there nothing being done to stop that?
02:43:47.000But those people that are authoritarian in terms of religious beliefs, in terms of behavior, the way people dress, gays in public, that kind of stuff, those people are all scared.
02:44:02.000That comes from a place of being scared.
02:44:04.000Gay people in public is not a problem.
02:44:16.000It's a human being being kind and normal and friendly to people thing.
02:44:20.000And that's possible with everybody, but people think, oh, those are the ones that are going to be mean to me and fuck them and they're responsible.
02:44:59.000If you want to tell people how they have to dress or what kind of music they listen to, like this has all been bad always from the beginning of time, whether it's coming from the left or the right, whether it's fucking the Al Gore shit that was in the Tipper Gore shit in the 1980s that was coming from the left.
02:45:14.000So left-wing politicians are trying to censor rap music.
02:45:18.000That's the reason why you have those dummies.
02:45:21.000They created that warning explicit lyrics.
02:45:52.000And fear and the devil are the fucking same thing.
02:45:56.000And it's like, this is—if you want to talk about what Satan is, it's the cloud of fear that lives inside the individual and then collectivizes in a fearful reaction.
02:46:07.000And how to frighten people react to things— Anger, violence, judgment.
02:46:13.000And so what's the opposite of fear, man?
02:46:24.000It's that if you are making decisions based on fear, More than likely the result is going to create something that makes you more afraid and You know that's just how it works.
02:47:45.000My kids, you know, anyone who has kids knows what I'm fucking talking about.
02:47:50.000They can do things that are insane, like to your house, to the walls, to say things to you that if any adult said it to you, you might never forgive them.
02:48:01.000You're going to think about it for a long fucking time, like your beard stinks or whatever.
02:48:43.000I love the story and I love a story about what happened because you always have to filter through the very real understanding that we all have about the way human beings tell stories.
02:50:13.000So like, it's cymatics, you know, you take a vibration, you throw some fucking flour on a vibrating plate, according to the, like, whatever the frequency is, it forms a certain, it creates a pattern, right?
02:51:00.000It now began to convey itself to other people.
02:51:03.000And so that truth, I think, if you understood it enough, you could probably create a set of symbols that would function on many levels that were all good.
02:51:24.000Knowing human psyche and the human mind, you could also hide deeper levels of that truth into parables, into like stories that are mathematically perfect to the point where the crucifixion, if you look at it from the perspective of two intersecting timelines,
02:51:42.000which is The infinite and the finite meeting, which is what humans are, then you realize we're all being crucified on time.
02:51:51.000And then the crucifixion becomes like an existential reality.
02:51:56.000You want to know why you're feeling fucked up?
02:51:58.000It's because part of you is forever and part of you is going to die.
02:52:01.000And you are fucking hanging on a cross between two thieves, the past and the fucking future.
02:52:07.000And anytime you're thinking about that, it's stealing the moment.
02:52:14.000And so any of these great texts, like the New Testament, They're coded so that depending on where you want to go with it, you can go as deep as you want.
02:54:46.000Suddenly, there's people telling you you're wrong, interpreting it for you, and you look at that and you're like, fuck that shit, whatever that is, I'm not into it.
02:54:54.000And it's charismatic people in front of large groups of people that really know how to manipulate people with the way they talk.
02:55:00.000I mean, this is the thing that was so problematic when they first started translating the Bible into phonetic languages, into languages like German.
02:55:10.000When people start, like during the Martin Luther days, they're like, hey, what the fuck are you doing?
02:55:14.000It used to be the priests had to read the Bible, because they could read it in Latin.
02:55:18.000You don't know Latin, so shut the fuck up.
02:55:30.000It's so crazy that it's such an efficient business.
02:55:33.000They still run these fucking franchises, even though the book is available everywhere.
02:55:37.000It's so crazy that like this one person interprets this better than everybody else so you go and see him and he talks and they develop egos and they have jets and they have fucking mansions and Rolls Royces.
02:56:04.000But if you're wise enough to be able to encapture what they're trying to say, just capture in your mind what they're trying to say and translate it into a thing that makes sense.
02:56:15.000You're like, what were they talking about?
02:56:28.000And to me, that's like, oh, like the Bhagavad Gita, any of these beautiful texts, that's what's fun about them, is that it's producing a kind of like...
02:56:40.000Bizarre riddle in your own mind as you're trying to decode it, but then there's a pull.
02:56:45.000The more you study it, the more you get drawn in.
02:56:49.000And when you start getting really drawn in, that's when people start appearing around you that help in a non-nefarious way.
02:57:00.000You just start meeting people who help you understand it a little bit more, and that's where it gets fucking weird.
02:57:28.000And you get a jacket with some medals.
02:57:30.000Dude, I've said on this podcast a million times, my favorite Mark Twain quote, religion is what happened when the first con man met the first fool.
02:57:40.000And dude, that's the problem with all this stuff.
02:57:44.000The problem is there's too many versions, right?
02:58:26.000Whatever the fucking thing is, whether it's the Bible, Reddit conspiracy, fucking 4chan, whatever the fucking thing is, what are you afraid of?
03:00:12.000But isn't it also just an example of – you're not going to have everyone be the same.
03:00:20.000You're going to have people that they never learned things well – like look, if you – if I got hired to be a part of some mathematical study, I'm useless.
03:00:55.000Part of the problem is, some people are just out of their fucking minds.
03:00:58.000And if those people out of their fucking minds get special rights, like the tax-free exempt status because they're a pastor, and they're a fucking psychopath who's just really good at conning people, and they're running this organization...
03:01:11.000There might be a guy right down the street that's a real Christian.
03:01:13.000There might be a guy right down the street that's a really kind person, who's really reading the Word of Christ, and he does it not-for-profit, and he does it to try to establish the love of God in his community, and he takes these people in their family, and there's this beautiful community aspect to it,
03:01:33.000But the problem is humans, just like the problem with our ability to other each other, just our problem with the ability to attack people on the other side of the political spectrum who live in the same fucking city as you.
03:01:45.000Like, people are fucking rabid against other people in their town that want to vote for this guy that wants to do this, and this guy wants to do that, and fuck you, you commie.