In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience Podcast, I interview Chael Sonnen about his new book, Voice of Reason, which is a book about the benefits of nootropics and other cognitive enhancing drugs. I also talk about why I don t care if you don t like sex toys, and why you should only buy one at a time. And I give my thoughts on Rory Mcgregor's recent comments about women and sex toys. I also give my opinion on the UFC vs. Bellator, and how the UFC should have handled the Conor McGregor vs. Conor McGregor situation. And I talk about the best sex toy I've ever used and why it's the worst sex toy you should never use. Also, I get into a heated debate about whether or not you should be allowed to have sex with your ex-wife's ex-boyfriend, and if that's a good or bad thing. I answer your questions and much more! Joe Rogans Experience Podcast is brought to you by The Fleshlight, Onnit, and Onnit. Save 10% on your first order of AlphaBrain and get 10% off any and all orders with code "ROGAN" when you enter the code name ROGAN at checkout. . If you like what you hear, please HIT SUBSCRIBE and leave us a review on Apple Podcasts and tell us what you thought of the podcast! and what you're looking for in the comments section below! Thank you for listening and supporting the show! Cheers, Cheers! -Joe Rogan -J.R.Rogan & Chelsynn and Chelsn Podcast -Chaelsonnen Thanks, Chell Sonnen, Chels sonsen, , and Chael's Dad, "Your VIP Pass into Enlightenment" - , Chael, The Voice Of Reason, Your VIP Pass Into Enlightenment, Vocal of Reason CHELSEA SONENDS, THE VOCAL OF REASON, CHELL SONENNEN, - THE VISION OF REVIEW, YOUR VIP PODCAST, THE VOTING, THE VOICE OF RUMBLE, AND MORE! CHOULDN'T YOU? - CHELLY SONNNN JOE RODAN
00:00:41.000That's O-N-N-I-T, makers of AlphaBrain, the cognitive enhancing supplement that I will be giving Chael Sonnen at the end of this interview, because I suspect he will enjoy it.
00:00:51.000If you are interested in nootropics, I suggest just Google it.
00:00:54.000Go to Google and type in the word nootropic, N-O-O-Tropic.
00:00:58.000And what they are essentially is nutrients that enhance brain function.
00:01:02.000And there's a lot of interesting studies on them, and there's a lot of controversy on them, so make up your own mind about it.
00:01:10.000Then, once you've done that, if you're interested in AlphaBrain, the way we have it set up, I want to make sure that nobody ever feels ripped off.
00:01:16.000If you order the first 30 pills and you don't like it, you don't even have to send it back.
00:01:21.000You just say, this stuff sucks and you get a 100% money back guarantee.
00:03:12.000Well, I think if you have a product and you believe in it, you would want people to buy it more than once, especially if it's something like a vitamin supplement.
00:04:35.000Most vitamins are 10% effective, 90% marketing.
00:04:39.000We all know that about nutrition, GNC type things.
00:04:41.000The ones that really work are 10% marketing, 90% goes into the lab and making them.
00:04:48.000Now that very statement I just gave you may in of itself be the marketing that the people have put out, I don't know, but that's what Usana is doing.
00:04:56.000You can't buy it, you've got to order it.
00:04:57.000They don't have enough to mass produce it because it's so potent and effective.
00:05:02.000But I have had a number of doctors with extensive readings say, listen, this is the one.
00:05:18.000You know, that's something they tried to get going years back.
00:05:21.000They tried to label vitamins as nutraceuticals and then they were going to have it so that you needed a prescription.
00:05:27.000To get vitamins, which gets a little weird.
00:05:29.000I would appreciate a little regulation so we know exactly what the fuck is in everything, because right now it's a little wild west when it comes to things like supplements.
00:05:38.000But I just think that having to go to a doctor to get some vitamin D, I don't want that.
00:05:46.000But that comes back to my point that it's, you know, 10% effective, 90% marketing.
00:05:50.000You know, how many things at GNC are made in the same lab, but they're packaged different, and whoever can get the word out more.
00:05:56.000And I can tell you, you know, I've tried everything at GNC on the off chance that something might work.
00:06:02.000I begged my dad to take me there when I was 12 years old and whoever the most muscled up guy or whoever the most handsome guy, whatever it was that attracts you when you're vulnerable at that age, that's who I'm begging my dad to put 40 bucks down and buy me the protein drink for.
00:08:16.000And when he shows up at 10 a.m., Joe, there's a line waiting for this stuff.
00:08:20.000It's a drug, but it hasn't been found illegal yet.
00:08:22.000And I'm saying that because the story you just told about being able to buy a steroid over-the-counter, people are going to think that's not believable.
00:08:35.000When Balco came out with that clear stuff, that the clear was somehow or another undetectable, how many more of those are possibly out there?
00:08:47.000How hard is it to do something like that?
00:08:49.000Well, I wouldn't know, but from what I'm told, and I read about this stuff all the time, is that if you simply get yourself a good chemist, he goes in, he changes one molecule, one element, and all of a sudden the strand is something else.
00:09:01.000You got your banned list, you change one molecule, it doesn't fall into that category.
00:09:05.000They're looking for things in that category, and they pass.
00:09:08.000It's Olympic year, and we see this every Games where an entire country comes out looking different than every other athlete.
00:09:32.000And ten years later you find out and it gets added to the banned list.
00:09:35.000It gets really creepy when you start thinking about shit like cycling and you see all these dudes getting convicted and all these dudes turning on.
00:09:42.000I had a friend who was a professional cycler and he told me everybody was on crazy shit.
00:10:02.000Or any high-level cycling, Lance Armstrong-type Tour de France shit.
00:10:06.000You almost have to be on something to compete.
00:10:10.000It's getting really weird when it comes to those type of sports.
00:10:13.000And what about when a guy gets caught, and so then instead of just going, yeah, listen, I've got to take my medicine, he's got to bring everybody else down.
00:11:17.000Well, when we start seeing guys like Mark McGuire shrink down right after he's done playing, and then admit that he was on steroids, or you see Barry Bonds and how big he got, it's almost like, man, how much regulation do we really need of the human body?
00:12:04.000I mean, of course we love medicine and advancements, and that's wonderful.
00:12:09.000But if you're talking about rules within a sport and you want to just keep it out for whatever reason, but if that is the decision that we're going to keep it out, well, then the guy can't bring it in and cheat and lie about it.
00:12:21.000I mean, if it is making people healthier and better, then good for them, and by all means, we should advance knowledge and technology in that area.
00:12:28.000But that doesn't mean that it's okay for a sport.
00:14:15.000And for you and I, two experts and authorities in this sport, to still not be completely clear on what their ruling was, I think speaks to their lack of transparency.
00:14:25.000And if they don't want people to keep stubbing their toe and breaking rules, just make it clear so that we know what the rules are.
00:14:31.000Seems like they're dipping their feet in the water to me.
00:14:33.000They constantly do that so that they can then pull back out and go, that's not what we said.
00:14:39.000Well, I mean, they're in a tough position, too.
00:14:40.000It's a pretty thankless job to be the head of an athletic commission, and there's very few guys that do it and do it really well.
00:14:45.000But, you know, it's not an easy job trying to figure out what's fair, trying to figure out what the playing field is, especially as science and medicine advances.
00:14:55.000I like the idea of a guy like Roger Clemens being able to play baseball because he's taking human growth hormone and doing testosterone.
00:15:08.000Especially in a sport like baseball where, I mean, how is it going to hurt somebody?
00:15:13.000Even if he is enhanced, he's not going to hurt somebody.
00:15:18.000That's where it gets weird like in MMA. The real question in MMA is if you really have something in your body that makes you hyperhuman, you have hyperhuman levels, which people can do if they use testosterone replacement or something else unethically.
00:15:35.000You know, I'll tell you, Joe, one thing I admire about you, you are oddly comfortable in your own skin.
00:15:39.000You know, you have no problem admitting anything and being a real open book.
00:15:44.000And so I think that's one reason why you can't relate to Roger Clemens is because, you know, you're like, look, this is who I am and this is what I do.
00:18:18.000Essentially, you know, if you compare it to no-dose, which is something you can buy at a local convenience store, you can take two of them.
00:18:56.000But, you know, I mean, the caffeine is just one that I'm mentioning, but there's a number of performance enhancing things.
00:19:01.000And if a guy takes the time and gets surrounded with the right people that look into that, because often it's overlooked, but, you know, supplements, diet, vitamins, as we talked about earlier, these are, there's a very important element.
00:19:12.000And if a guy inundates himself and finds where his level should be and he's legal, then he's legal.
00:22:25.000All it is, is Mike Tyson goes out, he's got a microphone, he tells stories of his life, and they've got a production.
00:22:30.000So if he says, you know, Don King in a story, boom, Don King's face pops up behind him on a big movie screen.
00:22:35.000So he's telling this story, and he brings up the Robin Givens era, where, you know, where he's beating Robin Givens, and he's doing these horrible things, and he's going, listen...
00:22:43.000The one thing Robin never told anyone is that I was seeing her the whole time.
00:22:47.000You know, the whole time we were still seeing each other.
00:22:51.000I'm sure you can fill in the blank, but he's seeing her the whole time.
00:22:54.000So he says, you know, one morning at 1 a.m., I drive over to Robin Givens' house.
00:22:58.000My mansion that I bought her that I'm not allowed to go to and I'm ringing the doorbell and this isn't all that uncommon because I do this a lot except today she doesn't come to the door.
00:23:06.000So he says I'm walking around the house I'm looking in the windows about 15 minutes later I see her pulling up the driveway in a Bentley that I bought her that I'm not allowed to drive.
00:23:14.000So she's driving my car she's coming to my mansion it's 1 in the morning she gets out of the car she brought someone home with her.
00:23:21.000So she brought a guy home to see her into my mansion in my car that I'm not allowed to be at.
00:23:26.000And when the guy gets out of the car, do you want to know who it is?
00:24:23.000Isn't it crazy that someone can get married to someone, just marry someone really rich for a couple years and you can just get fucking paid.
00:24:56.000I hate to see that he got his heart broke, but I'm watching it from my couch on a, you know, bi-weekly basis when the girlfriend's forcing me.
00:25:02.000I'm like, Chris, this isn't an actual romance, man.
00:25:35.000You know, he said something there on the air, like, why would you care in a few years from now?
00:25:38.000No one's going to care about you anymore anyway.
00:25:41.000Yeah, and everybody clapped and we laughed and I cried, you know, fake for TV. But for real life, I look at it and I go, well, man, could you imagine saying that to your friend?
00:25:51.000What a cunt move that would be to say to your friend.
00:25:53.000If my friend said that to me, I'd be like, bitch, what the fuck am I doing hanging around with you?
00:25:57.000I would cut that guy out of my life instantly.
00:26:00.000Because I'm not capable of saying something like that to a friend.
00:26:03.000It's accurate, but it's mean-spirited.
00:26:51.000Speaking of, and it wasn't the gentleman involved, but Reggie Bush was at the last UFC. It was kind of cool to see him out there supporting him.
00:29:12.000There's probably some fancy schmancy high roller gambler type dude that would love to rent his house out to Chael Sonnen for a couple months.
00:29:42.000He was absolutely fantastic because he'd go into the darkroom and he would just tell the truth.
00:29:45.000You know, I'm I'm going to tell this girl this and I'm going to stab her in the back on Friday and I'm not even going to clean up the bloody mess.
00:29:51.000You know, he would say these crazy things and then he would do it and then he won the whole show.
00:29:55.000At any rate, the problem the ultimate fighter is they put him in teams, but there is no team.
00:30:02.000And so, you know, they'll go have a...
00:30:47.000The last thing I'm trying to do is put down the show.
00:30:50.000But I mean, from a critical standpoint, I'd like to see a reason to cheer for a specific team, or just don't even put them in teams.
00:30:56.000I think it's just fun because the guy who's the coach, especially this one right now that's going on with Uriah and Dominic Cruz, what I like about it is they're constantly talking shit to each other, and it's just another way to try to win.
00:31:06.000It's another way to try to win with a team.
00:31:08.000And people love to be a part of teams, man.
00:36:16.000If you look at us from, like, if you were an alien species and you were observing Earth, you'd be like, look at this one thing just fucking everything up.
00:37:01.000If you want to go all the way with that, and most topics that you get passionate about, a guy that's willing to chain himself to a tree to stop construction, gets pretty wacko.
00:37:09.000It's like, make sure what you recognize, you're turning on us.
00:37:13.000Make sure that you at least acknowledge that.
00:37:17.000Yeah, well, you know, my issue that I've always had with people who are not just vegetarians and vegans, but are really kind of aggressive about it in the way they fuck with you.
00:37:55.000I got a chapter in my book on this very topic about cutting down trees, and it's like, listen, the older and bigger the tree, the better with me if you're going to cut it down.
00:38:04.000You know, let it go, let it make some sunlight, and let a couple of new trees pop up.
00:38:08.000That's the way that it works, and we use those trees, and we build our houses and paper, and it's an absolute necessity, but those are here for us, not the other way around.
00:38:17.000And, you know, you hear these eco-frecos, you know, of course, they only come out when CNN or some local camera crew is there.
00:38:23.000It's often about them, not about the environment, and that's where real frustration comes in.
00:38:28.000But, no, I hear what you're saying, you know, in fact, we were talking about Kardashian a minute ago.
00:38:31.000Somebody just recently threw flour or something on her over in England.
00:39:08.000They listen to your argument and you have made that animal's death really kind of worthless now because they're going to have to throw this coat away because you spray painted it like a fucking asshole.
00:39:49.000Go down to that place where a thousand cows a day have to stick their head into a metal trap and a fucking piston slams through their head.
00:42:14.000But the kid lived, and there was another video of a guy, and it's another helmet cam, same thing, and another one where a guy on a motorcycle hits a deer, but he loses the bike, and he was wearing full leathers with pads, like racing shit, where they have those really hard plates in the body, and he got up and he was fine, and he was telling people, look, this is the reason why you need to wear all this shit, because something like this can happen, and this just saved my life.
00:43:35.000I took my safety lessons, and I was ready to get a bike, and I saw one accident, and two friends saw two other accidents in the course of three days involving a bike.
00:45:20.000You look at, like, the Brandon Vera fight, the Petipano fight, you know, it's like, wow, like, what happened to the, you know, the former champ?
00:46:14.000I've had some really heavy conversations with Frank Mayer.
00:46:17.000And that's why he's so good at Jiu Jitsu.
00:46:20.000He's got so much technique too because he's like an encyclopedia for shit.
00:46:23.000The fact that he caught Noguera in that Kimura and broke his arm, the Jiu Jitsu world just exploded when that happened.
00:46:30.000Frank Mir, not only did he, he did it when Noguera instigated the ground game because he had Frank Mir hurt and he wanted to finish him off.
00:46:38.000And that just shows you what a bad motherfucker Frank Mir is.
00:46:40.000That's crazy that he bested Noguera on the ground and finished him.
00:47:36.000You know, and I was really looking forward to him against Alistair.
00:47:39.000Alistair and him would have been a very interesting fight, man.
00:47:42.000Because Alistair is such a pure stand-up guy.
00:47:45.000And Alistair is so good at incorporating leg kicks and knees.
00:47:50.000He's got a real tight guard, especially now that he's so big.
00:47:53.000He kind of like punches everything over, protects himself well.
00:47:57.000He's a dangerous guy to anybody that has to enforce a stand-up strategy.
00:48:01.000If you want to just go and box with that guy, he's got so many other tools other than just boxing.
00:48:06.000And he's so technical with his attacks.
00:48:09.000It's just, it sucks that he, you know, whatever his issue was, you know, he's saying I think that he got some medication that, you know, some doctor gave him that had testosterone and he didn't realize it and it fucked up his testosterone, the epitestosterone.
00:49:18.000With the same set, if your epi testosterone went up or went down, that gap is your ratio.
00:49:25.000That's why it's a very disingenuous test.
00:49:27.000So when a guy has a T to E that's elevated, the media immediately assumed that he took T. His T could have been in the gutter, his epi was at the norm, and he could have been unhealthily low.
00:50:18.000Well, you can't tell a guy he can take testosterone, but he can't elevate his T to E. So it's a financial issue as far as the accuracy of testing?
00:51:19.000But if you're a media member, if you sit behind a desk, you wear the suit, you collect a paycheck at the end of the night, you're branded an analyst by your affiliated network, you can't come out and say that he took testosterone when the test didn't show that.
00:52:31.000I can't pretend that something different is happening so that you feel better about it when you listen to it, but then the million people who hear it are not getting an accurate account of what's going on.
00:55:25.000For the folks who don't know anything about the UFC or jiu-jitsu and you're just listening to this podcast, Paul Harris is one of the weirdest specialists in all of the UFC because his number one thing is ripping guys' knees apart.
00:57:37.000Yeah, just to get back to where you were.
00:57:40.000No improvement in technique, no improvement in conditioning, just to try to catch up.
00:57:45.000How long, like, does it take to develop the win for a five-round fight?
00:57:49.000To, like, for a real, like, your rematch with Anderson Silva that you're training for, how long are you in, like, Peak, ridiculous, hard training to gear up for a five-round fight.
00:58:00.000You know, the answer I give is a lifetime.
00:58:42.000If I go for the kill, you know, Dan Henderson style, and you don't get it, and then you realize that Shogun's still alive and you've got to hang out for 25 minutes, it's not going to be a pretty 25 minutes.
00:59:59.000So as a fan, I mean, taking yourself out of the equation, just objectively with all the knowledge that you have, what would you think would be the better format?
01:06:19.000Meanwhile, it could have been a double cross where he goes there and he thinks Tokoro is going to lay down and Tokoro beats his shit out of him.
01:06:25.000That's what we call the screwjob finish, Joe.
01:06:28.000The Montreal screwjob is what we call that.
01:06:31.000Yeah, there's a word for it in the professional pool, too.
01:08:37.000I don't know if you've ever bet on a UFC fight, but I don't know if you haven't, then you wouldn't know this.
01:08:41.000But the way it works, you know, in a lot of gambling halls, you would imagine, well, if I show up, it's four to one odds, and I put 50 grand down, I got 50 grand at four to one.
01:08:49.000If you go to bet at a sportsbook in Vegas on a UFC, this isn't the same for everything, but for UFC, because there's not enough money coming in, you can only bet X amount at a time.
01:08:58.000Then they reset the line, and then you've got to bet it again.
01:10:31.000And I go, listen, man, if you don't shut the fuck up, I'm going to have Dan Henderson come over here and hold you down while he fucks your girlfriend.
01:11:57.000In order to have that thought in his head, in order to be able to say that verbally, I mean, if you're going to be a writer and you're going to come up with that, it might take you six hours alone doing cocaine and drinking coffee to pretend you're the type of guy that would think that way, to have that line come out of your character's mouth.
01:12:14.000It took Dan Henderson one half of one second.
01:12:36.000And those guys, they almost all come from wrestling.
01:12:39.000The guys like that Henderson stock, there's guys that can push through pain and then there's wrestlers.
01:12:45.000There's another level of mental strength, of the ability to endure.
01:12:50.000And what you were talking about going through when you were a kid, like being malnourished and fucking traveling on buses and wherever the hell you're going to these different wrestlers.
01:13:54.000Because all throughout high school, just fucking dieting.
01:13:57.000Going through regular wrestling and then going off to camps and never allowed to actually eat full meals for a normal long period of time and grow like a normal man.
01:14:08.000It's like he essentially grew up impoverished.
01:14:12.000You know, you talk about how hard the weight cut is, and for us, for our sport of MMA, it's a 24-hour weigh-in.
01:14:18.000I mean, you weigh in, the show starts 24 hours later.
01:14:20.000In wrestling, it's a one-hour weigh-in.
01:14:23.000And not only that, Joe, the national tournament, the whole reason you wrestle, is a three-day tournament with three weigh-ins.
01:14:31.000So you weigh in, you do two matches, you cut weight that night, you weigh in again, you do two matches, you cut weight that night, you come back for the championship.
01:14:45.000And it really is where the rubber meets the road.
01:14:48.000Sometimes the best wrestler that had the best season, 35-0, will not even place at the national tournament because where he used to weigh in, have 24 hours, get on the mat, he'd win a dual meet.
01:14:59.000Tournament style, one hour weighing, you're on the mat.
01:15:03.000And so is that indicative of a style of competing?
01:15:07.000Some guys, like Frankie Edgar, don't cut any weight at all.
01:15:10.000Other guys, is that the case in wrestling as well?
01:15:12.000Some guys would try to cut the most amount of weight, but other guys would think that the best way to do it was be entirely healthy and just be natural and deal with a guy who's larger.
01:16:16.000What a weird fucking hybrid of the two.
01:16:18.000For folks who don't know, you were allowed to kick with, you know, you had these boots on that had shin pads on them, but you weren't allowed to punch to the face.
01:17:19.000You know, Krokop, those guys really think they won, and if you tell them they did it, I mean, you're talking about really hurting a guy's feelings.
01:17:25.000He'll get fighting mad over that, and you go, hey, listen, Eventually, history will come out and show itself for what it is.
01:17:34.000That's really hard because I don't know all those guys' names, but Krokop fought one guy that wore a pro wrestling mask.
01:20:12.000He got in candid because they thought he was throwing a fight.
01:20:16.000But what he was doing was he was letting people into the psyche of an athlete who's breaking.
01:20:21.000He's breaking, and it's an ugly, deep secret, and we've all done it as athletes, whether it's in practice or in the ring, and we're greatly shameful of it.
01:20:29.000So what he did is he just let people in and go, look, this is what happened.
01:20:52.000The real issue of people regulating athleticism where they don't understand the psychology behind being an athlete, especially a combat athlete.
01:21:00.000There was an issue that I had, and we don't want to name any names here, but it was when someone had questioned you about you fake tapping against Paul Ophelia.
01:21:17.000My take on that is for you to ask a man what he's thinking right then in the middle of an incredibly emotional situation where he's losing a fight, he knows it's over, he got locked up in it, and he's thinking there's got to be a fucking way out of this.
01:21:45.000That thing that you were ashamed of that you did represents your character or your sensibilities or your honesty, I think is a bit disingenuous.
01:21:53.000To be judged in that moment, in that vulnerable, awful, devastating moment, is not right.
01:22:02.000When you have competed at a high level for a number of years like you have, it's almost like you could be considered almost like a slightly crazy person.
01:22:12.000Like your fanaticism for victory, your need to compete and excel.
01:22:18.000The only way to get really fucking good is you've got to be a little crazy.
01:22:41.000I had a person, again, let's make sure we keep him on name, but he wanted a response to that.
01:22:45.000I'm going, geez, you know, if I'm to be candid with you...
01:22:48.000If I get tapped out in front of a sold-out audience that was aired on live, worldwide television, and I then lie about doing it, the only person I'm lying to is myself.
01:23:17.000If he's forcing you to make a ruling, go ahead.
01:23:19.000But, you know, like you said, and let's also not forget.
01:23:22.000When you file a complaint, how much of that is gamesmanship because you're trying to get a rematch anyway and the whole game is about making more money?
01:23:30.000I'll tell you what, Joe, in my entire career, I couldn't name one person that's ever filed a complaint.
01:23:34.000I know they've been filed, but I literally couldn't tell you one guy that's done it.
01:23:37.000And I know some guys think, hey, listen, there was a misapplication of the rules.
01:23:41.000I really like a review, and I understand that.
01:23:43.000But again, I couldn't state a case for you.
01:23:45.000But there's other things, like the First Amendment.
01:23:48.000I've got the right to say I didn't tap in any single fight that I want.
01:23:53.000The second one fight ends, the marketing for the next fight begins.
01:23:58.000And if a fighter chooses to do that, he's got everywhere.
01:24:01.000There's nothing within the rules of a commission to say what a guy is going to say in his post-fight interview.
01:25:15.000I mean, and that act enhances your overall brand.
01:25:19.000I mean, when you go out there and you talk a bunch of crazy shit, whether or not you believe in it, and people start talking about you, it becomes monetarily advantageous to do that.
01:26:22.000He owes you nothing, including the truth, if that's his choice.
01:26:26.000So for a government official, because that's how this started.
01:26:29.000You were talking about a government...
01:26:30.000For a government official to get involved and act as though he's going to suspend or uphold somebody's license because he didn't like something that he said in the media is inappropriate.
01:26:51.000I'm always fascinated when you hear about a guy, well, yeah, he was a blue belt, and then something happened, and he went to a few seminars, and before you know it, he's fucking killing everybody at the Mundiales.
01:27:02.000You went from, was it UFC 60 that you fought Jeremy Horn?
01:29:18.000And I lost all of them in the second round.
01:29:21.000And I'm staring at that on the computer.
01:29:23.000I'm staring at these numbers like a CEO would his spreadsheet.
01:29:26.000And I'm saying, there's something going on here, and it's not physical.
01:29:29.000There's something going on that I can dominate eight minutes of a fight, seven minutes of a fight, nine minutes of a fight, and find a way out time after time after time in the same round with the same move.
01:30:23.000But I'm not going to tell anybody because it's competitive edge.
01:30:26.000And when I started seeing a sports psychologist, when I finally came clean, it was like being an alcoholic.
01:30:32.000Before you can get help, you've got to admit you have a problem.
01:30:34.000And when I finally admitted I got a problem, when I finally said it, when I finally could acknowledge and look somebody and tell them, this is what's going on.
01:30:41.000I'm finding a way to lose as opposed to win.
01:31:10.000Like, if I was to say, hi, Brittany, because my girlfriend just texted me since she's watching the show, and I mention the name Brittany to earn myself special points, is that going to tick you off?
01:31:29.000I knew there must have been something on the mental side.
01:31:31.000Because, you know, I remember, as you do, that the Yushin Okami fight was an excellent performance.
01:31:37.000And I remember being real impressed with that, but even more so impressed with the Nate Marquardt fight.
01:31:43.000I knew that Yushin was a grappler, and I wasn't surprised that you were a stronger grappler than him, but I was surprised that Nate Marquardt just couldn't stop you from taking him down.
01:31:53.000And the way you were doing it, you were ragdolling him to the point where you were like, Jesus, this guy's a fucking nightmare for a lot of dudes, man.
01:32:00.000And then we started doing the matchups.
01:32:02.000You start thinking in your head, what about him?
01:33:05.000You know, it's a very weird experience if you've ever been, and I know you practice it, so you have been, but it's a very weird experience, you know, when you're actually going to sleep, but you're trying to stay within reality.
01:33:16.000And I remember having a dream thinking, well, if I tap, I could get out of this.
01:34:33.000I'm absolutely devastated by this defeat.
01:34:36.000And later the fight gets named not only Fight of the Night, it was called Fight of the Year.
01:34:40.000We won the award from Fighters Only Magazine, which puts on the award show for Fight of the Year.
01:34:46.000So it ended up being a really good fight, but my point that I'm trying to get at is that's how out of touch I was with what was happening in the ring.
01:34:53.000You know, at one point my corner man told me it's round four when it was round five or he told me it was round four when it was round three.
01:34:59.000Whatever it was, the corner had the rounds off.
01:35:02.000You know, the instruction I was getting was a little bit off.
01:35:04.000And I just didn't fully know what was going on.
01:35:08.000And in this next fight I'd like to, you know, as I visualize and plan for it, that's one of the things I'd like to be a little more aware and a little more in touch with what's happening.
01:35:34.000It's like when, you know, an executive director comes at you and wants to know, like we were talking about earlier, hey, why'd you do this?
01:35:39.000And you're kind of going, you know, I don't really know how to put it into words, and I don't mean this condescendingly, but obviously you've never been in that spot.
01:35:48.000Because it's one of those indescribable feelings.
01:41:48.000Why don't you tell them about the time that my mom hit a deer, load it in the back of her hatchback, forgot about it for two weeks, then her and my uncle come over, throw it on the kitchen table, cut it up with chainsaws.
01:42:00.000I've been punished because I got sent home from school in a detention, so they make me sample the meat to make sure it's not rancid, and I end up in the hospital for three weeks with E. coli.
01:42:27.000And because he did that for me, because he told the story to this disaster party that I threw, I've always been grateful and indebted to him.
01:44:00.000She has no idea they've rescued him, taken him to the hospital and it's her husband's fault.
01:44:04.000And she sees the number with his name on it and says, that's my husband, bitch, and slaps the woman who's on her way to the hospital because she She got T-boned by the uncle.
01:47:28.000And next thing I know, we're up in the air.
01:47:30.000So this is the ultimate carnival ride.
01:47:31.000Now we're there on a gorgeous day in Rio, which is a gorgeous city, and we've got it from a bird's eye view.
01:47:37.000I mean, I would take that whole trip, all the risk, all the danger, everything that I had to go through for that 15 minute helicopter ride.
01:47:46.000I went over this church that's like one of the wonders of the world.
01:47:49.000It's not quite as, you know, eighth wonder of the world like the pyramids, but it's close, where you look at it and go, how in the heck did you build that hundreds of years ago up on this cliff?
01:48:02.000Well, there's a lot of speculation about the history of Brazil that's come into light recently.
01:48:06.000I think there's some Roman artifacts they found, some really ancient stuff, and there's some dispute about they found some offshore wreckage or something like that.
01:48:16.000So they're now thinking that maybe the Romans had even visited Brazil even before the Portuguese.
01:48:22.000Pretty amazing country when you stop and think about the history of it.
01:48:53.000I'm just a regular guy, which is just fine.
01:48:56.000But I mean, you know, sometimes people lose sight of that.
01:48:58.000And in Brazil, they all knew who we were.
01:49:01.000You know, they definitely knew Dana, and they all knew who I was, and I mean all of them, from the bus drivers to the people, to the people working the desk, to the cops, everybody, the people at the airports.
01:49:11.000And here's how Dana described it to me.
01:50:48.000So I'm going against the most basic rule my own father taught me when I'm seven years old, and that's let people in close when you're scared.
01:50:56.000So I've got my back up against the wall.
01:50:58.000I'm following his second rule, but the first one's completely broken, but we had a good time.
01:51:04.000The fight was supposed to take place, for people who don't know, the rematch between Chael and folks who aren't following MMA. A lot of people that listen to this podcast aren't even MMA fans.
01:51:15.000After the Anderson Silva fight, you said a bunch of crazy shit about Brazil, about You insulted them quite a bit.
01:51:24.000And then they were going to have the rematch in an 80,000-seat soccer arena in Brazil.
01:51:30.000But unfortunately, because the UN is having a visit there two days before, there was no hotels.
01:51:36.000It was logistically almost impossible to bring that many people into an 80,000-seat arena.
01:56:59.000I'm just trying to be candid, but this is what I'm going to do.
01:57:01.000I've worked my whole life for it, and if this is how it ends, this is how it ends, but I'm going to get that before I go.
01:57:05.000You can't really discount the amount of a boost the hometown fighter would get from a crowd like that or the amount of shock the opponent would get from 80,000 people booing you.
01:57:18.000And you were ready to jump right into that.
01:57:20.000Well, that was one of my favorite things.
01:58:27.000That's a very interesting point of view.
01:58:29.000I would prefer people not boo because it's kind of cunty and it's disrespectful for someone who is doing what is essentially the most difficult sport known to man and doing it for your amusement.
01:58:41.000And just because it doesn't go the way of the fighter that you like, you're going to boo and hiss and say stupid shit.
01:58:47.000That shows a massive level of immaturity that I don't necessarily think we need in this world.
01:58:52.000I think it's 2012 and you stupid asses need to catch up.
02:01:23.000I mean, I was on Jim Rome earlier today, and it's like, you know, Jim, how many times have you had to sit here and interview a golfer or a tennis player or a NASCAR guy?
02:01:34.000You push your foot down, and you make left turns all afternoon long, and somehow that's some meaningful event to society.
02:01:42.000And I'm scratching my head going, you know, I wish that I was one of those guys that enjoyed this, but I don't get you're making left turns all Sunday afternoon.
02:03:15.000And a lot of times over the past few years, somebody will be on their deathbed.
02:03:19.000You know, this just happened about four years ago.
02:03:21.000A guy's on his deathbed, and he comes out and says, I'm D.B. Cooper.
02:03:23.000And he tells his whole family, and they go to the media.
02:03:25.000And the media jumps behind and says, well, it must be true, because why else would you want to go down as a criminal on your deathbed?
02:03:32.000And I'm sitting there, and I told everybody that would listen, when they look into these facts that this guy's putting out, I assure you, that won't be D.B. I told everybody, but I never told them why.
02:03:41.000I never told them how I was so confident.
02:04:05.000I know exactly who he is, so I tell the story in my book.
02:04:07.000And, you know, there's a lot of things that happen in the D.B. Cooper case, and so I need to really make this short or I could take up your whole show with this.
02:04:14.000For folks who don't know who D.B. Cooper is, why don't you explain that?
02:06:07.000Prison Break just had a character pretending to be D.B. Cooper.
02:06:09.000Folklore has been made out of this guy.
02:06:12.000Well, where this guy jumped was government land, but that land backed up to Indian land, and this gentleman was part Indian, and he grew up in this forest.
02:07:05.000So, you know, all this stuff comes down, and many years later, the statute of limitations is up, and all of a sudden, this guy starts collecting a pretty good assortment of toys, from shotguns to four-wheelers to motorhomes.
02:08:14.000But the way that he said no told everybody there that he was, and they never brought it up again, ever.
02:08:21.000Now, as it came out, and my uncle asked him a little bit in private, hey, well, you know, that other night we were having some Chinese food, and you...
02:10:23.000I believe they're a Sasquatch, and I believe this because people that I believe and trust, including a doctor, has said, look, I know where they are.
02:10:36.000He's got this whole plan lined up about how we can get to him, and his personal belief, and, you know, it's just a theory, but he lives in that part because Bigfoot's supposed to be from the Northwest.
02:11:32.000To your point, there's a number of hoaxes.
02:11:35.000There's a number of guys dressed up in a stupid outfit that you could buy any Halloween, run through while his buddy records it, and they stick it on the internet.
02:11:43.000I get that there's hoaxes, but there is some pretty good footage.
02:14:44.000And one of the reasons why is because the area where most Sasquatch sightings are is right at the end of the Bering Strait.
02:14:51.000And between Alaska and the northern coast of the United States, or excuse me, the northwestern coast of the United States, that's where all of the Sasquatch sightings, a huge majority of them, were for a long time.
02:15:02.000They started spreading out all throughout the country, and who knows how many of them are bullshit.
02:15:38.000Now, I want to tie this school of thought that I said, yeah, I think there's a Sasquatch.
02:15:42.000And then we both agreed on this video.
02:15:43.000We have differing opinions of the video.
02:15:45.000However, if we prove the video one way in my favor or your favor, it doesn't prove the answer to our original thesis, which is, is there a Bigfoot?
02:15:56.000And you see this flaw, this pitfall, as we like to call it, in human thinking when it comes to alien encounter.
02:16:02.000How many times have we seen somebody that says, hey, guess what?
02:16:05.000I was abducted by aliens and I was given a special power.
02:16:08.000In fact, to prove it, I'm going to go ahead and make that light turn off by sitting in my chair and not touching it.
02:16:14.000And that will prove to you that I was abducted by aliens and given this power.
02:16:17.000So now I sit here, I make that light turn off.
02:16:19.000Okay, I've got a power to turn that light off.
02:16:21.000But having that power does not prove that I was given that power by being abducted by aliens.
02:16:26.000But there's a pitfall in human thinking.
02:16:28.000And oftentimes if you can get people to believe one thing one way or the other, they can then connect that to a completely isolated and separate incident.
02:16:36.000Which is what I don't want to happen with the video because I'm realizing right now I'm looking like a real doofus after looking at that video.
02:16:43.000I'm going to need to get my evidence together and come back.
02:16:46.000That video was actually, not only was it proven a hoax, but the guy who played Bigfoot wound up confessing.
02:17:19.000It's just the odds of this guy finding it.
02:17:21.000No one else has gotten a good photo of it.
02:17:23.000But that doesn't mean that it can't be real.
02:17:25.000If you fly over the Pacific Northwest and you see how dense that part of the world is, I don't think a lot of people really truly understand the amount of acreage of really almost impassable rainforest you deal with in the Pacific Northwest.
02:17:38.000When you fly over these areas where these people are talking about sightings, and they don't just have sightings, by the way, they also have real sound effects, these sounds that are some sort of primate that's screaming out, and they've sent these things to experts, you know, people who are trying to detect hoaxes, you know, and these people that have been on camping and hunting trips have recorded these things, and these are primate noises.
02:18:02.000They don't know what the fuck it is, but it's a primate noise.
02:18:05.000And one of the guys that I think is a real credible guy that has had an encounter is Les Stroud.
02:19:17.000Well, and then when you talk about the theory of evolution, so you're talking about a Sasquatch, you're talking about a derivative of a human, so you've got to assume that they're a little bit more intelligent than, say, a coyote.
02:19:25.000If it's hard to find a coyote, it's going to be very hard to find a Sasquatch.
02:19:28.000If it's true, I mean, I'm just fueling the fire again.
02:19:31.000I believe it because the guy I happen to trust just says, look, I think it's true, and so I'm choosing to believe him more than I believe the evidence.
02:19:38.000How many people do you know that have seen one?
02:20:57.000Except recently they found newer versions of the Mayan calendar that they had never discovered before that were more complete that go far past December 21st, 2012. 10 more years of money making.
02:22:30.000Yeah, things might get tough, but how spoiled are we anyway?
02:22:32.000You know, I always hear these debates on education.
02:22:34.000It's like, well, look, when my father went to school, and that wasn't all that long ago, not my great-grandfather, my father, just my dad, when he went to school in high school, if you went for four years, you graduated.
02:22:57.000Everyone in the neighborhood showed up to the same school and the teacher taught them all.
02:23:01.000And those are the same people that have now built our bridges and our churches and brought us technology and evolved into Steve Jobs and Apple and Microsoft and Bill Gates and these wonderful things.
02:23:12.000So apparently the education system It doesn't necessarily need this great revamping.
02:23:18.000I mean, before we even had textbooks and computers, people were learning and people were doing great things in this country.
02:23:23.000So, you know, we've gotten so spoiled and we've turned weak.
02:23:27.000You know, we've become feminized and our masculinity's gone in a lot of things, such as having grit and digging deep.
02:23:34.000And if the economy sucks and you've got to find a better way and you've got to cut back, then that's what you've got to do.
02:23:39.000but grin and bear you know you don't go build a a hole in a cave somewhere and wait for the end of the world man up well one of the issues with you know trying to get by in today's society and bringing your kids into schools is that there's a lot of fucking people out there that have done a real shitty job of raising kids a real shitty job and when you put your kids around them your kids are in danger and you
02:24:05.000There's liabilities and there's all kinds of bullying and stupid shit that goes on and crime.
02:24:11.000And if you can't figure out a way to get your kids out of those situations, they never even have a chance to let the system work on them.
02:24:19.000A big part of what school is is sending your kid to some sort of an awkward fucking prison that they're stuck at for many hours a day, especially if you lived in any sort of economically compromised situation, any sort of place where there's a lot of poor people, any place where there's a lot of people that are down and out, and there's a lot of fucking shitty parents, and you got to go to school and deal with gangbangers and all kinds of other craziness while just trying to stay alive, trying to stay healthy.
02:25:24.000They show you good examples of people who have lived quality lives and they get you to think and pattern your thoughts in a certain direction.
02:25:32.000And most kids aren't even getting that today.
02:25:35.000Most kids are getting a shit-fucking experience in public school.
02:25:58.000That means you're dealing with 70% possible fuck-ups.
02:26:02.000And not every kid that comes from a fucked-up household becomes an asshole, but goddamn, a lot of them do.
02:26:07.000How many times did you have to deal with kids in high school and in college even that were just a fucking mess all the time?
02:26:13.000And it was always because of the way they grew up.
02:26:15.000It was always because their brother fucked them over, their parents fucked them over, nobody paid attention to them, and that poor asshole just gets jutted into the school system and has to fucking figure out his own way to the surface of the water.
02:27:12.000I've never thought more than I did at your show.
02:27:16.000And I thought, I can never tell him that or he's going to go, you're listening to a high comedian.
02:27:19.000You know, I'm going to look like a fool if I tell this, but I couldn't disagree with you more.
02:27:23.000But when you say very simple things like, marijuana's never killed anybody, and 14 people died last year because coconuts fell on their head.
02:27:30.000150. We're not making coconuts illegal.
02:27:33.000I can't help but look at that and have to think and rethink my stance.
02:27:37.000And I'm like, I don't want to agree with Joe.
02:28:37.000So it doesn't matter what the fuck we do at the very top of the apex with, you know, traveling to the fucking moon and working on the Star Wars program.
02:28:44.000That doesn't matter if our foundation is full of shit.
02:28:48.000So the very way our society is constructed, it's to let you know that the people running it are fools.
02:30:31.000And every politician in the country, from the state level to the federal level, have all, in the last four years, which is two cycles if you're in the House, have all ran on the same thing.
02:30:41.000Every one of them, unanimously, in the country, all 50 states, jobs in the economy.
02:33:34.000You're going to sit down with the people that are involved at the highest level of our government, and you're going to debate the hit-the-ball-with-the-stick game.
02:33:59.000I think it's shameful that Congress got involved in that.
02:34:01.000And I think, you know, to call a congressional hearing, they call it a number of ridiculous things.
02:34:05.000They call it on the poor guy from BP because they got an oil leak out in the ocean.
02:34:09.000Now, that's horrible, and I don't want to see the ocean get a leak, but I assure you, BP, who's making money, doesn't want to see a leak either.
02:35:29.000But the actual explosion from this nuclear bomb that they dropped in the ocean, the water was so much bigger than they thought it was going to be.
02:35:37.000They set all these battleships around it like they were going to monitor this thing and see what the impact was.
02:35:54.000I'm going to come in second here, but I want to relate.
02:35:56.000I had a friend that had to do two years in a military prison because when he was in Iraq during the war of 92, way back, but he was in my neighborhood, he shot a camel with a law.
02:36:30.000Now, I don't want that poor camel to have to die, but I do want to see that.
02:36:34.000If there was a video or a footage and my buddy had to do it, a guy in my neighborhood has to go to military prison for two years, I at least need to see what happens when a rocket meets a camel in the desert.
02:36:43.000Why did they put him away for so long?
02:37:20.000And it's like, listen, now, before you think I'm making fun of you, you might want to know what we put in hot dogs right here at Yankee Stadium here in America.
02:37:56.000Now that I've gotten older, I didn't like it as a kid.
02:37:58.000But when the Russians come over for a wrestling or a dual meet, or even the Russian fighters, they all bring caviar that you can trade with them.
02:38:05.000Trade means you give me money, I give you caviar.
02:38:07.000Is it worth a lot of money, their caviar?
02:38:13.000If you can get a hold of Russian caviar, especially back with the USSR before the breakup of the Soviet Union, it was almost impossible to get Russian caviar.
02:38:45.000I happen to like it because now they've eased us into it because they roll all of our local sushi rolls in a type of caviar, real cheap, that yellowy stuff.
02:38:53.000But, you know, I've learned to like it as I've gotten older.
02:39:25.000I think as a stand-up comedian, you have to understand human beings to understand yourself in order to move forward, to advance, to evolve.
02:39:32.000You've got to understand human beings.
02:40:26.000I love audiobooks if they're read well, but every now and then, like, I bought a couple Stephen King books that were written or read by Stephen King.