The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2163 - Freeway Rick Ross

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00:00:12.000 Good to see you again, my friend.

00:00:13.000 Man, it's been a long time.

00:00:15.000 It's been, yeah, like nine years.

00:00:17.000 Yeah, we were talking about it.

00:00:18.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:00:19.000 It's been a while.

00:00:20.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:00:20.000 For people who don't know.

00:00:21.000 I've been waiting.

00:00:25.000 I was like, you know, I dialed your number and it wasn't working no more.

00:00:29.000 I was like, okay.

00:00:30.000 I've had about eight different numbers.

00:00:32.000 He'll call me.

00:00:33.000 I said, he'll call me.

00:00:35.000 Yeah, for people who don't know, the real Rick Ross is not a rapper.

00:00:38.000 Just like your shirt says.

00:00:40.000 And you know who inspired that shirt?

00:00:43.000 I think I did.

00:00:44.000 You did.

00:00:45.000 And you don't even know the whole story.

00:00:47.000 What's the story?

00:00:49.000 Well, you know, after that day, you told me that I needed a shirt, right?

00:00:53.000 Yeah.

00:00:53.000 You know, I was really homeless then.

00:00:56.000 Really?

00:00:56.000 You didn't know that part of the story.

00:00:57.000 Well, I didn't go around like, hey, man, I'm homeless.

00:01:01.000 Yeah.

00:01:03.000 So I was technically homeless.

00:01:05.000 I was staying in a vacant apartment, me and my old lady and my two kids.

00:01:09.000 And when I told you that I was doing bad, you was like, man, you need a t-shirt.

00:01:15.000 And, you know, and I left the show, I was a little hot.

00:01:18.000 I was like, damn, that motherfucker told me I need a t-shirt.

00:01:21.000 And I'm fucked up, but he know I handle money.

00:01:27.000 He know I'm a thinker.

00:01:29.000 Why he didn't help me?

00:01:31.000 And so I'm walking down the street downtown and this kid come up to me and he was like, hey Rick, I heard you on Joe Rogan the other day.

00:01:38.000 And I was like, yeah?

00:01:40.000 He was like, yeah, and I got a t-shirt I did for you.

00:01:43.000 I said, oh shit, another one of those motherfuckers. 1.00

00:01:50.000 And I said, what's your idea?

00:01:52.000 And he said, the real Rick Ross is not a rapper.

00:01:54.000 And I said, Corny is a motherfucker. 1.00

00:01:57.000 But I kept an open mind, and I said, okay, let's do it.

00:02:02.000 The kid did it.

00:02:04.000 I go to him a couple weeks later, and he gave me 100 t-shirts, and I sell the whole 100 the same day.

00:02:09.000 Wow.

00:02:10.000 And then something popped in my head and said, why don't you call Joe?

00:02:12.000 That's when your number was still the same.

00:02:14.000 And I called you, and you called me to the show, and you put my t-shirt on.

00:02:20.000 And the t-shirt went crazy.

00:02:22.000 My PayPal.

00:02:23.000 Because, you know, I ain't saw you since then, so I never got to tell you thanks for telling me to do a t-shirt.

00:02:29.000 Even though I was mad at you.

00:02:31.000 Why were you mad at me?

00:02:32.000 Because I was like...

00:02:34.000 Why the fuck nobody helped me?

00:02:36.000 You know, I was looking for somebody to come and say, hey man, here's a hundred thousand.

00:02:39.000 See what you can do with it.

00:02:40.000 A million dollars.

00:02:41.000 See what you can do with it.

00:02:42.000 That's what I was looking for when I got out of prison.

00:02:44.000 I was like, somebody's going to come and say, man, I know you can handle money.

00:02:47.000 Let's do something.

00:02:49.000 So I was looking for that.

00:02:50.000 I was not looking for a t-shirt.

00:02:51.000 But, you know, in one of my favorite books, it might come through the back door.

00:02:55.000 Don't look at the front door.

00:02:56.000 Look at the back door.

00:02:57.000 So I did that.

00:02:58.000 And when you put that t-shirt on, man, my PayPal went like this here.

00:03:05.000 And I was like, my old lady, she was like, man, that PayPal is going crazy.

00:03:10.000 I was like, that motherfucker broke.

00:03:15.000 I said, go check the bank account.

00:03:17.000 And she went and checked the bank account, man.

00:03:19.000 It's like $18,000, $20,000 in there.

00:03:22.000 And I was like, oh my goodness, we finna get an apartment.

00:03:26.000 Wow.

00:03:26.000 So my whole life changed from there.

00:03:29.000 From there.

00:03:31.000 I took that money and I did this.

00:03:34.000 You wrote a book?

00:03:35.000 I already wrote the book.

00:03:37.000 I wrote the book in prison when I had a life sentence.

00:03:40.000 You know, I wrote this book.

00:03:41.000 This was kind of like my message to the world about what it takes to become a drug dealer, how you become a drug dealer.

00:03:48.000 I wrote it for kids so they would know if they started to be a drug dealer, what they was going to run into.

00:03:53.000 Like a how-to manual.

00:03:55.000 Like a how-to manual.

00:03:56.000 Because I said, nobody ever wrote a book about...

00:03:58.000 Well, I look at it like this, Joe.

00:04:00.000 You know, we always talk to kids about why not to sell drugs.

00:04:06.000 Why not give them all the information?

00:04:08.000 And they make their own decision.

00:04:10.000 Okay, you sell drugs.

00:04:12.000 Yeah, you might get a big house.

00:04:13.000 You might get the cars.

00:04:15.000 But at the end of that rainbow was some cufflinks and prison sentence.

00:04:20.000 So I felt that...

00:04:22.000 You wanted to give them all the information?

00:04:23.000 I wanted to give them all the information, so I wrote this.

00:04:25.000 And I brought you one as a gift.

00:04:27.000 Oh, beautiful.

00:04:27.000 Thank you very much.

00:04:28.000 Your story is incredible.

00:04:30.000 And for people who don't know, just because, you know, we did a couple podcasts in the past, but just for people that don't know, you unknowingly...

00:04:40.000 During the whole Contras versus the Sandinistas War, the United States government, or some people inside the United States government, were selling crack in the hood, and probably other places too.

00:04:58.000 And they were using that to fund this war.

00:05:01.000 They're using the money to fund this war.

00:05:03.000 And you were the one who was moving the drugs.

00:05:06.000 Correct.

00:05:07.000 A lot of it.

00:05:08.000 And you didn't know.

00:05:10.000 You had no idea.

00:05:11.000 I was the dumb kid from South Central, man.

00:05:14.000 I never read a book.

00:05:15.000 You couldn't read.

00:05:16.000 I couldn't read at that time.

00:05:17.000 Which is so crazy.

00:05:18.000 Let me keep going.

00:05:19.000 So you get arrested.

00:05:20.000 You go to jail.

00:05:21.000 You learn how to read in jail.

00:05:23.000 Learn how to become a lawyer in jail.

00:05:28.000 The way they did you with three strikes was bullshit because it's supposed to be three different instances of you being arrested.

00:05:37.000 They used the three instances of whatever they tried to pin on you from one case.

00:05:44.000 And so you got out of jail.

00:05:45.000 I got out of jail.

00:05:46.000 You would still be in jail right now?

00:05:47.000 Right now.

00:05:48.000 If I would have listened to my lawyer too.

00:05:50.000 Wow.

00:05:51.000 Because he told me that that law didn't apply to me.

00:05:54.000 I don't know.

00:05:55.000 You know, it's funny because I said my judge and my lawyer and the prosecutor couldn't read.

00:06:04.000 I mean, because it was really plain and simple in the law, the way they explained it.

00:06:10.000 The most important thing was an intervening arrest.

00:06:13.000 Not that you get convicted three times, but was an intervening arrest.

00:06:18.000 Because they're saying that, you know, if you get a kid and he does three different things and you whoop him one time, that's for all three.

00:06:28.000 You know, now if he does something and you whoop him one time, And that whooping is over, and then he goes and does it again, and you whoop him for the same thing again, now you're whooping twice.

00:06:41.000 Right.

00:06:42.000 So the third time, that would be a three strike.

00:06:45.000 And that's what the law meant, and they just couldn't understand that.

00:06:48.000 Like, oh no, that don't apply to you because you had a conviction in Texas, and you had a conviction in Cincinnati, and you had a conviction here, but they were all the same time.

00:06:58.000 You whooped me one time, and...

00:07:02.000 So I get two more whoopings before, you know, before it's a three strike.

00:07:06.000 It's kind of a crazy story.

00:07:08.000 I mean, it's a very crazy story because, yeah, you were a young kid.

00:07:12.000 And it's getting more crazy, man.

00:07:13.000 I've been having so much fun, Joe.

00:07:15.000 Like, wow.

00:07:16.000 What's been going on?

00:07:17.000 And you know what?

00:07:18.000 And I owe you a lot of the credit, man, because you really, like, you kind of set me off, you know?

00:07:23.000 You know, like...

00:07:25.000 I don't know where I would have been had I not did that fucking t-shirt.

00:07:28.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:07:29.000 That fucking t-shirt paid our rent, man.

00:07:32.000 Wow.

00:07:32.000 I mean, you know, and my fucking kids now are playing tennis.

00:07:36.000 My daughter is so fucking good at tennis. 1.00

00:07:38.000 That's amazing.

00:07:39.000 Man, she's like...

00:07:40.000 Well, you were a great tennis player.

00:07:41.000 I was good.

00:07:44.000 I'm talking about like...

00:07:45.000 Really good.

00:07:46.000 They're saying she's like Serena Good.

00:07:48.000 Really?

00:07:48.000 Yeah.

00:07:49.000 Wow.

00:07:49.000 And I try not to like...

00:07:54.000 You know, because it's my daughter, so I gotta, like, keep myself honest, you know what I'm saying?

00:08:00.000 But I'm seeing her do things that I was doing at 16 and 17, and she's just turned 12, and she's doing those things right now.

00:08:09.000 Wow.

00:08:09.000 And I'm like, wow, could she be this good, you know?

00:08:13.000 That's incredible.

00:08:14.000 Yeah, so, I mean, I'm just having so much fun, man.

00:08:17.000 It's like my life has been good, you know, if...

00:08:21.000 You know, if I died today, you know, I wouldn't be mad.

00:08:24.000 I just want to see them two grow up to be 20, 30 years old.

00:08:28.000 And I've had a great life, man.

00:08:30.000 I met some great people.

00:08:32.000 And, you know, I done had some things happen to me, too.

00:08:36.000 And it ain't all been rosy.

00:08:37.000 You know, my documentary, I think.

00:08:38.000 Was we working on a documentary when I did you the last time?

00:08:40.000 I don't know.

00:08:41.000 Well, you know, they took the documentary from me.

00:08:43.000 What do you mean?

00:08:44.000 What happened?

00:08:45.000 What happened?

00:08:45.000 Well, you know, we shot the documentary, and when it was time to put it out, we finished it.

00:08:51.000 My two partners who put up most of the money got into an argument, and I went with the one who I thought was right.

00:08:59.000 So we go to court, and the court ruled that Mark Levin and Mike...

00:09:08.000 Mungry won in court, and they had all the say-so about the documentary.

00:09:11.000 I had no say-so, no accountant.

00:09:13.000 So they sold the documentary to Altaxia, rented it to Altaxia, rented it to Netflix, and I got zero dollars out of it.

00:09:21.000 Oh, my God.

00:09:22.000 The judge said I had no accountant rights, you know, no right to see how much money was being made.

00:09:27.000 On a documentary on your life?

00:09:29.000 Did I put money?

00:09:30.000 I took money, t-shirt money, and put it into the documentary.

00:09:34.000 I put about $15,000 of my own money into making it.

00:09:37.000 We spent about $120,000 making the documentary.

00:09:41.000 And here I am on Netflix, on the front page too.

00:09:43.000 I made the front page of Netflix for like a year.

00:09:46.000 Wow.

00:09:47.000 And I got zero dollars out of it.

00:09:49.000 And then John Singleton, you know, he was working with me on the movie.

00:09:54.000 He'd take all the stuff that we did from the movie and do this show called Snowfall, which was one of the biggest TV shows on TV. And I got zero dollars out of that.

00:10:04.000 What?

00:10:05.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:10:07.000 John Singleton?

00:10:08.000 John Singleton did me like that, man.

00:10:10.000 No way.

00:10:10.000 Yes.

00:10:11.000 He went with me to the premiere.

00:10:13.000 Me and him went to the premiere of the documentary together.

00:10:15.000 The day of the premiere, I got my first books from that book there.

00:10:20.000 And I had my demo books.

00:10:21.000 He bought one for $100, which I thought was like, yeah, I'm going to do good with this book.

00:10:26.000 $100 for one book?

00:10:28.000 So he took that book and he did Snowfall.

00:10:34.000 And he didn't count me as an advisor.

00:10:37.000 He didn't count me at all, nothing.

00:10:39.000 Did you talk to him?

00:10:40.000 I saw him one time.

00:10:41.000 He changed his number.

00:10:43.000 And I saw him one time about eight months before he died.

00:10:47.000 And he was like, man, I owe you money.

00:10:49.000 But, you know, he was probably he was in South Central L.A. in the wrong area.

00:10:54.000 And so he probably said that just to get the fuck out.

00:11:00.000 I gotcha.

00:11:01.000 Let me get out of here. 0.99

00:11:06.000 So I totally understood.

00:11:09.000 Other than that, you know, it's been alright.

00:11:11.000 There's a lot of people that disappoint you in this life.

00:11:14.000 They do, they do.

00:11:15.000 It's very unfortunate.

00:11:16.000 I do not understand why people do that, because you think you're getting over, but you're not.

00:11:22.000 That carries, that stays in your soul.

00:11:25.000 It really does.

00:11:26.000 It'll haunt you.

00:11:27.000 It'll haunt you forever.

00:11:28.000 Yeah, it's better.

00:11:29.000 You fuck somebody over?

00:11:29.000 It's better to be good, man.

00:11:30.000 Yeah, it's better to be good.

00:11:32.000 You know, you're a great story because a lot of people write people off, man.

00:11:38.000 You know, and there's a lot of people out there in the world that want to think that because someone did something that's illegal or someone did something that's bad, that makes them a bad person.

00:11:48.000 And I think that's ridiculous.

00:11:49.000 And I think you...

00:11:50.000 I totally agree.

00:11:51.000 You can't imagine what it's like to be someone unless you've lived their life.

00:11:56.000 You don't know the circumstances that they fell into.

00:11:59.000 You don't know the life that they were born into.

00:12:01.000 You don't know.

00:12:02.000 You don't know.

00:12:03.000 And there's a lot of good people out there that just get fucked.

00:12:06.000 Made a bad mistake.

00:12:07.000 Made a bad mistake in a bad situation, bad neighborhood, bad life.

00:12:11.000 A lot of things just...

00:12:12.000 And people see things different.

00:12:14.000 You know, what you think is bad because of the circumstances that he comes from.

00:12:19.000 Right.

00:12:19.000 He doesn't think it's bad.

00:12:20.000 Right, because it's normal.

00:12:22.000 It's normal.

00:12:23.000 It's normal.

00:12:23.000 Absolutely.

00:12:24.000 Absolutely.

00:12:24.000 And that was kind of the case, you know, I wanted to be a drug dealer, you know, because all the pictures I saw of drug dealing was...

00:12:33.000 You know, look who I was doing drugs in the 80s.

00:12:36.000 Everybody.

00:12:36.000 All the entertainers, you know, so I wanted to be in entertainment.

00:12:39.000 Well, not only that, all the entertainers were talking about how they sold drugs.

00:12:43.000 Jay-Z, Ice-T, Ice Cube, everybody.

00:12:47.000 But they don't look at those guys as bad.

00:12:49.000 But it's crazy.

00:12:50.000 Those guys, they could be on CNN, those guys can be interviewed everywhere, the red carpet, everybody loves them now.

00:12:57.000 I used to be a drug dealer, so that's amazing, Ice-T! I don't know if Ice-T was a drug dealer, but they rap about it.

00:13:04.000 I mean, it was a big thing.

00:13:07.000 But I guess they don't believe their stories.

00:13:10.000 They believe it.

00:13:11.000 It's just okay because now they're popular artists.

00:13:14.000 Now they're famous.

00:13:15.000 So they broke through.

00:13:17.000 So when you break through and you're selling millions of records and people come to see you in arenas and everybody's singing along to your shit...

00:13:24.000 Somehow or another it's okay.

00:13:25.000 Like you're absolved of all your crimes and all your sins and you're welcome in society because you're very popular.

00:13:31.000 Yeah.

00:13:31.000 It's very weird.

00:13:32.000 It's very weird.

00:13:33.000 So people are so quick to write people off.

00:13:36.000 I think it's part of it is because people are afraid to be written off themselves.

00:13:40.000 So they want to do it to other people.

00:13:42.000 I really do.

00:13:43.000 You want some coffee?

00:13:44.000 Some water.

00:13:45.000 You got some water?

00:13:45.000 Oh, water's right here.

00:13:46.000 There you go.

00:13:47.000 All right.

00:13:48.000 It's, you know, it's funny.

00:13:52.000 We've done a lot of work with this guy, Josh Dubin, who used to work with the Innocence Project.

00:13:59.000 And we, just through this podcast, have gotten people out of jail that were wrongly convicted.

00:14:04.000 A bunch of people.

00:14:05.000 Yeah.

00:14:05.000 And then we had one dude on...

00:14:08.000 Who wasn't wrongly convicted, but he got convicted for 50 years for pistol whipping somebody.

00:14:14.000 A drug dealer who owed him money.

00:14:16.000 Someone stole money from him, pistol whipped this dude, wound up going to jail for 50 years.

00:14:21.000 Gets out.

00:14:22.000 They reduced his sentence to 25 years.

00:14:25.000 You know, Josh brought him in to show someone who can be rehabilitated.

00:14:30.000 A month later, he gets out and cuts some dude's head off and gets caught.

00:14:34.000 Wow.

00:14:36.000 Gets caught on a security camera with a blonde wig on.

00:14:41.000 The whole thing was so crazy.

00:14:43.000 But the dude was like, we were hanging out with that guy that day.

00:14:45.000 Took him to the comedy club that night.

00:14:48.000 It's like, it doesn't always work out.

00:14:50.000 And then also, you know, the system itself.

00:14:52.000 Once you're inside, once you're a part of the system, man, that can fuck you up.

00:14:56.000 You do 25. I mean, how many years did you do in there?

00:14:59.000 I did 20 years and three months.

00:15:00.000 Wow.

00:15:02.000 Yeah, so you know the system is, and you're absolutely correct, the system can either make you or break you.

00:15:08.000 You know, I was mad when I first went to jail, you know.

00:15:13.000 But then, you know, I started analyzing my life, and, you know, I wanted to know how I got there.

00:15:20.000 You know, what are you doing here?

00:15:22.000 You know, this wasn't part of the plan.

00:15:24.000 Right.

00:15:25.000 Right.

00:15:25.000 And I just figured I made some bad terms.

00:15:28.000 You know, I listened to some people that, for the most part, loved me to death, you know, would have died with me, and they gave me what they had to give me.

00:15:38.000 You know, and what they had to give me was the drug game.

00:15:40.000 Yeah.

00:15:41.000 Yeah.

00:15:42.000 It's just so crazy that you were connected to this enormous story with Oliver North and Ronald Reagan.

00:15:48.000 You know, Ronald Reagan had to testify about it, you know.

00:15:52.000 I mean, the whole thing was really insane.

00:15:54.000 It was an insane cultural moment because I remember, I was young at the time, I remember watching it all play out on TV and seeing how this insane story was playing out that, you They were selling drugs?

00:16:11.000 What?

00:16:11.000 The government was involved in the drug game so that they could...

00:16:15.000 When Gary Webb came and told us about this, I could not believe it.

00:16:20.000 No, not Ricky Ross.

00:16:23.000 You're talking about Ricky Ross, right?

00:16:25.000 The guy who couldn't read in school.

00:16:29.000 The guy who couldn't get out of high school.

00:16:32.000 Was pretty good at tennis, but he couldn't make it in tennis.

00:16:35.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:16:36.000 Now you're telling me that he was working with the White House with Oliver North and George Bush and Ronald Reagan and...

00:16:42.000 Crazy.

00:16:43.000 And then the CIA come to my cell and Maxine Waters come to my cell and...

00:16:49.000 What?

00:16:49.000 All these people?

00:16:51.000 It's just like, for me, it was unbelievable.

00:16:54.000 But even when I first went to jail before all of the stuff hit the fan, you know, one of the guys that went to elementary school with me, he came up and he said, man, I heard the stories, but I couldn't believe it was you.

00:17:07.000 You was the poorest kid in the school.

00:17:09.000 Like, you and your brothers used to change pants and you had holes in your tennis shoes and you used to put tennis balls on your shoes so your feet wouldn't be on the ground.

00:17:18.000 And that was really you.

00:17:20.000 And I was like, yeah.

00:17:22.000 He was like, man, you used to make millions of dollars?

00:17:25.000 So it was one of those stories that, you know, you really had to see it to believe it.

00:17:30.000 We had Michael Rupert on the podcast back when he was alive.

00:17:34.000 Michael Rupert was the cop that...

00:17:36.000 I knew Michael.

00:17:37.000 Yeah.

00:17:38.000 Michael testified on C-SPAN. He was at one of those C-SPAN hearings and testified that he witnessed the CIA selling drugs in South Central Los Angeles.

00:17:50.000 It is one of the craziest videos.

00:17:52.000 Michael was courageous.

00:17:55.000 I read his book.

00:17:56.000 Yeah, which one?

00:17:57.000 I don't remember.

00:17:58.000 It was so long ago.

00:17:59.000 Crossing the Rubicon?

00:18:00.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:18:01.000 Yeah, he wrote that, and then he did that book, that movie, rather, documentary, Collapse, that scared the shit out of people.

00:18:08.000 Did you ever see that movie?

00:18:09.000 I didn't see the movie.

00:18:11.000 Him sitting there chain-smoking, sitting in a chair, explaining how the whole system was going to fall apart.

00:18:21.000 It wound up not being correct, but it was mostly about oil.

00:18:26.000 And mostly about the way the economy is run and the way our government is, the way everything's structured, that we are on the verge of collapse.

00:18:37.000 And he was telling people back then, like, you better get ready.

00:18:40.000 You better get ready for everything to fall apart.

00:18:42.000 Well, I mean, if you go on the streets right now and you see...

00:18:46.000 The homeless problem that we're having around the country.

00:18:48.000 You know, because I travel the whole country now.

00:18:50.000 You know, I'm doing motivational speaking.

00:18:52.000 And so I'm working with different homeless organizations.

00:18:57.000 One of the main ones I'm working with is out of Oakland, Lulu House.

00:19:02.000 And they're helping homeless people get off the streets.

00:19:08.000 It is so bad out here, man.

00:19:10.000 I mean, it's like...

00:19:11.000 Worse than ever.

00:19:12.000 Like some of these places that we go, and I would be afraid to go there without a gun.

00:19:17.000 And it's like a third world country. 0.70

00:19:20.000 It's like a jungle.

00:19:21.000 They got cardboard boxes and crates and tents and makeshift plastic.

00:19:28.000 And it's like miles of these places.

00:19:31.000 And Oakland is...

00:19:32.000 Oakland's crazy.

00:19:33.000 Oakland is terrible.

00:19:34.000 It's so crazy.

00:19:35.000 I watched a video about it the other day where these people were driving.

00:19:38.000 They were documenting it and driving down Oakland, down the worst areas where these people have these shanty towns set up, these tent towns set up, and it's just open-air drugs and violence and no police presence and no help and no nothing. 0.99

00:19:54.000 And this isn't America.

00:19:55.000 And this is why we have $175 billion to send overseas to help them, help people in Ukraine, help people in Israel.

00:20:04.000 We don't have anything to clean this problem up, this massive problem.

00:20:08.000 And all those people, all those people out there are wasted potential.

00:20:12.000 All of them.

00:20:13.000 All of them.

00:20:14.000 Who knows how many of those people, if they had a little bit of help, if they got the right counseling, they got the right this, the right that, they started to get a path towards a good life, they could turn it around.

00:20:25.000 I mean, look, I was like that.

00:20:27.000 Yes.

00:20:27.000 You know, I was one of those people eight, nine years ago, just out of prison.

00:20:33.000 And Joe, you know, when I was in prison, I educated myself.

00:20:36.000 I read over 300 books while I was in prison.

00:20:38.000 Because I didn't want to come out and get into the same thing that put me in jail.

00:20:42.000 So what I wanted to do, I never had a job.

00:20:45.000 You know, I never had a job right now today.

00:20:47.000 I've never had, I mean, you know, I get paid for doing speaking engagements and stuff, but I'm saying I've never had a job where I punch a clock or I had to fill out an application, none of that stuff, because I couldn't fill out an application before I went to prison.

00:21:00.000 And now, you know, I'm not going to fill out an application, but I had all this potential, but I had nobody to give me a boost, you know, to say...

00:21:13.000 And that's one of the things that I was saying about Lulu House that they're doing is they got...

00:21:20.000 Housing for you.

00:21:21.000 People get out of jail.

00:21:22.000 They can go stay there for a while.

00:21:23.000 They give them clothes.

00:21:24.000 They feed them.

00:21:26.000 Because sometimes you need those type of things.

00:21:29.000 You know, my break was you putting on that damn t-shirt.

00:21:35.000 Had I not got that break, I don't know where I would be at right now.

00:21:39.000 And, you know, I wasn't going to sit around and let my kids be hungry.

00:21:43.000 You know, I had two new babies.

00:21:45.000 You know I had two new babies when we did that show.

00:21:47.000 I don't remember.

00:21:48.000 Yeah, I had two new babies.

00:21:50.000 Wow.

00:21:50.000 Because my kids right now, they're 13 and 12. So at that time, they probably was like three, maybe.

00:21:58.000 Right.

00:21:59.000 Like three years old, two years old.

00:22:01.000 So they was really new.

00:22:02.000 So me getting that money coming in was like heaven sent.

00:22:07.000 You know, like, yes, you know, I got a way to get me some traction now.

00:22:12.000 But without that kind of traction, you know, and most of those people, they're not going to have the opportunity to do a t-shirt for themselves.

00:22:20.000 So, you know, we need to set up programs where...

00:22:26.000 These people can get a fresh start.

00:22:28.000 Yeah.

00:22:28.000 And that can be done.

00:22:30.000 It could be done.

00:22:31.000 You know, it's funny.

00:22:32.000 We asked AI. We had an episode here where we're talking to ChatGPT.

00:22:38.000 Have you done any of that?

00:22:39.000 You messed around with ChatGPT or AI or anything like that?

00:22:42.000 It's kind of scary.

00:22:44.000 Yeah?

00:22:44.000 Kind of scary.

00:22:45.000 Yeah.

00:22:45.000 I think we're real close to it being like a life form.

00:22:49.000 We're real close to there being an artificial life form that's more intelligent than human beings.

00:22:54.000 That we've created.

00:22:55.000 But we asked it, like, how would you solve the crime problem?

00:23:00.000 How would you solve the homelessness and all the situations?

00:23:03.000 And it basically laid out this plan.

00:23:06.000 And one of the things would be re-energizing communities and helping, taking places like these shanty towns in Oakland, set up community centers, police presence, Do something to stop the crime. 0.72

00:23:17.000 Do something to try to educate people.

00:23:19.000 Do something.

00:23:20.000 Community centers to give people a trade, a craft, something where they can move forward.

00:23:26.000 There's a place out here, Loaves and Fishes, right?

00:23:32.000 Is that what it's called?

00:23:34.000 We actually went to the house yesterday.

00:23:38.000 There's a community that they have here.

00:23:40.000 I think it's called Community First.

00:23:43.000 Hold on a second.

00:23:44.000 I'm going to find out real quick.

00:23:45.000 Yeah.

00:23:46.000 We went there yesterday.

00:23:48.000 I took my family there yesterday.

00:23:50.000 And Community First Village is this thing that my friend Alan Graham has put together.

00:23:58.000 And he's got...

00:24:00.000 Right now, I think he's at like 1,000 acres.

00:24:05.000 And they build homes for these people.

00:24:08.000 They have all these programs for these people.

00:24:11.000 They have gardens.

00:24:13.000 These people are making art and selling it.

00:24:16.000 This one woman made a chess set. 1.00

00:24:17.000 She sold it for $10,000.

00:24:19.000 These people are incredible artists.

00:24:21.000 There's a lot of creative, interesting people that just don't know what to do or where to turn, and they've been doing drugs their whole life.

00:24:27.000 They're all fucked up, and they're homeless, and they've got records, and they don't know what to do. 0.97

00:24:32.000 And he's helping them, and he's helping them in a really beautiful way.

00:24:37.000 And it can be done.

00:24:39.000 Well, I'd like to connect with him.

00:24:40.000 I will connect you with him.

00:24:41.000 Yeah, definitely.

00:24:42.000 Yeah.

00:24:42.000 Because that's the kind of stuff that I want to do.

00:24:44.000 I believe that we got to give people a second chance and third chance.

00:24:48.000 I mean, I don't believe that we should be playing baseball with our lives, with other people.

00:24:51.000 I mean...

00:24:51.000 Right.

00:24:52.000 Three strikes are out.

00:24:53.000 I mean, if it was your brother, right?

00:24:55.000 If it was your brother, would he only get three strikes?

00:24:57.000 Of course.

00:24:57.000 Right.

00:24:58.000 Exactly.

00:24:58.000 If your brother was on drugs, would you say throw him in jail for the rest of his life?

00:25:02.000 It was your kid.

00:25:03.000 And everybody should be your brother.

00:25:05.000 All these people are just us.

00:25:07.000 It's just us living different lives.

00:25:10.000 It's just us with different circumstances and different things went wrong and different people around you giving you bad advice, different bad influences, different everything.

00:25:23.000 One of the things that drives me crazy Is the pull yourself up by your bootstrap shit.

00:25:28.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:25:30.000 People don't even have boots.

00:25:31.000 What are you talking about?

00:25:32.000 That's so crazy.

00:25:34.000 You're supposed to do it yourself?

00:25:35.000 People can't read.

00:25:37.000 They don't know where to go.

00:25:38.000 They don't have no positive influences.

00:25:40.000 And we don't spend any money on that.

00:25:43.000 I've always said, if you want to make America great again, you really want to make America great?

00:25:48.000 Have less losers.

00:25:50.000 How do you have less losers?

00:25:51.000 Give more people a chance.

00:25:53.000 You're never going to have equal outcomes because some people work harder, some people are smarter, some people are luckier.

00:26:00.000 There's a lot of factors.

00:26:01.000 But what you can have is change the amount of opportunity that people have.

00:26:05.000 Because some people have zero opportunity.

00:26:07.000 They have nothing.

00:26:08.000 And if you give more people opportunity and more people help, you'll have more winners.

00:26:13.000 You'll have more people successfully living in society, contributing, and everything gets better.

00:26:18.000 Everybody rises up.

00:26:20.000 When people see other people win, they can duplicate that.

00:26:22.000 Yes.

00:26:23.000 Yes.

00:26:23.000 The rising tide.

00:26:24.000 They can duplicate a win.

00:26:25.000 Because, I mean, you know, I keep going back to me You know, having the opportunity to do this t-shirt, I had no clue to do a t-shirt.

00:26:34.000 I wasn't thinking about doing no t-shirt.

00:26:36.000 That was not in my plan to do no t-shirt, you know?

00:26:40.000 So sometimes they just need that little boost, the little vision, you know, from somebody else that's actually out here.

00:26:49.000 Because, you know, when I came home, I had no idea what the world was.

00:26:54.000 Everybody had cell phones, you know.

00:26:56.000 Right, right.

00:26:57.000 I mean, they're on computers, and I'm like, I'm like a fish out of water.

00:27:03.000 I don't understand this.

00:27:04.000 I didn't even know my way around South Central for a while.

00:27:07.000 It took me a while just to get back on the streets and the avenues because so much stuff changed in 20 years.

00:27:15.000 So we give people all this time in prison.

00:27:18.000 And like you say, someone was on drugs or whatever.

00:27:21.000 And we got to set up a system where they can readjust.

00:27:27.000 Most people go back to prison within the first three or four months.

00:27:30.000 Yeah.

00:27:31.000 They don't know what to do.

00:27:32.000 No, they don't know what to do.

00:27:33.000 I know people that have went back to jail on purpose because the outside world was too confusing and scary for them and they'd rather have the structure of being inside.

00:27:40.000 They're like, at least I get food.

00:27:42.000 At least I know where I'm sleeping.

00:27:44.000 They make it real easy for you in jail.

00:27:46.000 They wash your clothes, turn the lights on for you, shower comes on, they get you soap, toothpaste.

00:27:52.000 Might be cheap.

00:27:54.000 Might be some cheap shit.

00:27:56.000 What is it like finding out that you were a part of this enormous thing that was going on overseas?

00:28:04.000 Shocking.

00:28:05.000 I mean, amazing.

00:28:07.000 First, you have to come to, you know, for me, I had to come to the realization that I was really a part of that.

00:28:13.000 Let's tell people the scale.

00:28:15.000 Let's talk about the money, the numbers that you were moving, because it was crazy.

00:28:20.000 At my height, from 84 to 86, I was doing at least a million dollars every day, and then I had days I'd do as much as three million.

00:28:31.000 So, if it's like the first of the month, which was my busiest days, the first was like crazy busy.

00:28:36.000 I would do $3 million that day.

00:28:39.000 Jesus.

00:28:40.000 The second I might do $2.5 million.

00:28:42.000 The third I might do $1.5 million.

00:28:45.000 And then after that it would be $1 million every day.

00:28:47.000 And then the 15th it would spike back up.

00:28:49.000 Maybe $3 million, maybe $2.5 million.

00:28:52.000 And then it would start decreasing again.

00:28:54.000 And what did you do with the money?

00:28:56.000 Buy houses, businesses.

00:29:02.000 You know, when I started selling drugs, I started selling drugs because I wanted to create businesses for me and my friends.

00:29:09.000 You know, we couldn't get jobs.

00:29:11.000 Nobody would hire us.

00:29:13.000 So what I figured, okay, start your own business.

00:29:16.000 Why not open up your own business?

00:29:18.000 So drugs...

00:29:19.000 I couldn't go to the bank and borrow money.

00:29:22.000 South Central was redlined at that time.

00:29:24.000 They wasn't loaning money on houses and nothing in South Central at that time.

00:29:27.000 We was totally redlined.

00:29:29.000 Not like it is right now.

00:29:30.000 South Central is one of the hottest properties in the country where if you got a house there, you can borrow money on it.

00:29:36.000 They're buying them.

00:29:36.000 But at that time, it was redlined.

00:29:38.000 So I didn't have any way to get money and drugs look like a viable source of raising money.

00:29:46.000 So it was totally baffling to me to find out Well, I never thought it out.

00:29:51.000 I didn't know what a million dollars was when I first started.

00:29:54.000 When I started selling drugs, probably the most money I'd ever saw was probably like 200 bucks, 300 bucks at one time.

00:30:04.000 How quick did it come?

00:30:06.000 It took a little while.

00:30:07.000 It took a few months.

00:30:09.000 That's crazy, though.

00:30:11.000 See, when I started selling drugs, I was a tennis player.

00:30:17.000 So I was very disciplined, you know, ran.

00:30:21.000 I did my runs.

00:30:23.000 My backhand is off.

00:30:24.000 I'm going to hit three, four hundred backhands over and over and over and over again.

00:30:28.000 I'm not going to stop until I do my number.

00:30:31.000 And I took that same mentality into the drug business.

00:30:35.000 I'm not going to stop selling my drugs and take my girlfriend to the movies.

00:30:42.000 I'm not going to the club.

00:30:44.000 I'm not drinking.

00:30:45.000 I'm not smoking.

00:30:46.000 I'm going to stay up under this tree and wait till the money comes.

00:30:53.000 It's funny because that discipline would have served you well in anything that you had an opportunity to do.

00:30:58.000 I just didn't know that.

00:30:59.000 Nobody ever sat me down and told me.

00:31:03.000 I didn't have a coach.

00:31:04.000 My mentors sold drugs, robbed people, stole cars.

00:31:10.000 Those were my mentors.

00:31:11.000 Those were the guys.

00:31:13.000 You know, my mom and my dad broke up when I was four months old.

00:31:16.000 So I didn't really know my dad.

00:31:18.000 Met him a few times.

00:31:21.000 So the male figures that I saw was these street guys, you know, Crips, you know, Bloods. 1.00

00:31:27.000 And when I stopped playing tennis, I was 18 years old and I was old enough to know, like, oh, I ain't shoot nobody because he wear red.

00:31:36.000 I ain't shoot nobody because he wear no blue. 0.89

00:31:39.000 You know, I ain't with that.

00:31:40.000 I'm not sticking a gun in nobody's face to rob him.

00:31:43.000 You know, I'm not doing it.

00:31:45.000 So I had to find what I felt was a valuable way of making a living.

00:31:50.000 And when I saw cocaine, shoot, they come over and they dancing.

00:31:54.000 We're going to the club.

00:31:56.000 I need a 50. Me and my girl, we can turn it up tonight.

00:32:02.000 So I was like, damn, they're going to give you $50 and you make them feel like that?

00:32:07.000 I want a part of that.

00:32:09.000 I want to be with that.

00:32:10.000 I want to be the one to make them happy like that there.

00:32:13.000 And I'm going to get paid to make them feel like that there.

00:32:16.000 I'm all in.

00:32:17.000 And I dove in, you know, and I was in love.

00:32:23.000 You know, I was in love with the business.

00:32:25.000 And it was the first very successful thing that you've been a part of.

00:32:29.000 Yeah.

00:32:31.000 I mean, I was a little successful at tennis, you know, I made all-conference, all-city, but that didn't put no money in my pocket.

00:32:41.000 All the trophies was good and, you know, the pats on the back, but, you know, now I'm putting money in my pocket.

00:32:47.000 You know, I can go by my mom's house and say, hey, go pay your light bill.

00:32:50.000 Yeah.

00:32:51.000 You know, put gas in your car.

00:32:53.000 You know, my little brother and sisters didn't have to go to school with hoes in their tennis shoes no more. 1.00

00:32:57.000 You know what's really crazy, Rick?

00:32:59.000 Here we are in 2024. You know, this is 40 years later, right?

00:33:05.000 Mm-hmm.

00:33:05.000 40 years.

00:33:06.000 40 years later and nothing's changed in terms of drug dealing.

00:33:11.000 Nothing's changed in terms of drugs being legalized.

00:33:14.000 They're still giving money to criminals and particularly criminals in Mexico.

00:33:19.000 I mean that's literally what funds the cartels and the fact that there's a demand in America and the supply is all brought over or for the most part a lot of it is brought over by the Mexican cartels.

00:33:34.000 We're just empowering them.

00:33:36.000 We're just giving them money.

00:33:38.000 And, you know, I thought about that a lot, about what you're saying.

00:33:42.000 And because in order to get rid of drugs the way they're trying to do it, they would have to get rid of all three elements.

00:33:50.000 Right.

00:33:50.000 You know, you'd have to get rid of the manufacturers.

00:33:53.000 Yeah.

00:33:53.000 You'd have to get rid of the distributors.

00:33:55.000 And you'd have to get rid of the users.

00:33:57.000 Yeah.

00:33:57.000 Because if you get rid of one, the other two are going to create that one again.

00:34:02.000 And I would like to know.

00:34:04.000 I mean, I don't necessarily think you should do cocaine.

00:34:06.000 I've never done it.

00:34:08.000 I got lucky when I was in high school, my friend's cousin got hooked on coke and I watched his life fall apart and I was like, oh, I don't want nothing to do with that.

00:34:17.000 I was always terrified that I was going to do something that was going to turn me into a loser.

00:34:22.000 You know, I grew up poor and we moved around a lot and I always felt out of place.

00:34:28.000 I never felt like I had anything going on in my life until I started doing martial arts when I was a kid, when I was like 15. That's when I really got into it.

00:34:38.000 And then from then on, I said, this is the key to life.

00:34:41.000 The key to life is discipline and focus.

00:34:44.000 And I don't want nothing that's going to take away my focus.

00:34:47.000 Nothing's going to take away my drive.

00:34:48.000 And I saw my friend's cousin I was like, God damn, he was a good dude.

00:34:52.000 And now he's like a vampire.

00:34:54.000 And now he's like hiding in his attic apartment and they're all just like doing coke all the time and selling coke.

00:34:59.000 It was horrible.

00:35:00.000 So I never fucked with coke.

00:35:01.000 But I know a lot of successful people that every now and then they do a little coke, you know?

00:35:06.000 And I think it's like everything else.

00:35:10.000 I think it's, I mean, there's a lot of things.

00:35:12.000 Alcohol is addictive.

00:35:13.000 I like a little alcohol every now and then.

00:35:15.000 I don't think it's that bad.

00:35:17.000 I don't think weed's bad.

00:35:19.000 I don't think any of these things are bad.

00:35:21.000 I think what's bad is bad behavior and bad thinking and not understanding the consequences of what you're doing.

00:35:28.000 And the consequences of what we're doing by making drugs illegal is so crazy.

00:35:33.000 Because all we're doing, we're not reducing the demand, we're not reducing the supply.

00:35:38.000 We're just empowering criminal elements in another country that now are immensely powerful.

00:35:45.000 And it makes people want to get involved because of the money.

00:35:48.000 Incredible amounts of money.

00:35:50.000 And if you're living in Mexico, shit, you think South Central is poor.

00:35:54.000 Try being born in these places where you live in these houses with no windows and dirt floors and you see some dude driving by in a fucking beautiful car with a gold-plated gun and that's El Jefe.

00:36:09.000 That's the dude.

00:36:09.000 That's who you look up to.

00:36:10.000 That's who you want to be.

00:36:12.000 And we're empowering that.

00:36:14.000 We're empowering all that in this country by our stupid fucking laws.

00:36:18.000 I agree.

00:36:19.000 I totally agree with what you're saying.

00:36:20.000 And I thought about that, that what would happen if coke lost its value totally?

00:36:28.000 You know, if it had no value.

00:36:29.000 I mean, if it was worth what it's really worth, you know, it's a plant, so it grows while, so it doesn't take anybody to grow it.

00:36:36.000 So you're talking about it might be worth pennies, but it's the value that we create that attracts people to Coke.

00:36:45.000 It's also making it illegal, so it's difficult.

00:36:47.000 Yeah, or making it illegal creates a value.

00:36:49.000 Yeah.

00:36:50.000 Because if it wasn't illegal, people would just let it sit there, or they would traffic it, and then it wouldn't be worth, you know, it wouldn't be worth hauling because everybody would have it.

00:37:00.000 And the way I see it, that if it loses its value, most people that I saw get started with Coke start off selling.

00:37:12.000 And they get curious.

00:37:14.000 Well, what does it do for you?

00:37:17.000 And they try it.

00:37:19.000 And they don't...

00:37:22.000 Or not capable of not doing it anymore.

00:37:24.000 I did it for about two weeks.

00:37:26.000 You know, when I got up to like an ounce, my cousins talked me in, hey, go ahead and try it.

00:37:31.000 Go ahead and try it.

00:37:32.000 Because I never tried it before.

00:37:33.000 I never smoked marijuana or nothing at that time.

00:37:36.000 And they talked me into trying it.

00:37:38.000 And when I looked up, I had like $300.

00:37:40.000 I had about $9,000 worth of Coke.

00:37:43.000 And when we finished, I had $300.

00:37:45.000 So what I realized is that they had tricked me Into getting started so that they could get high.

00:37:54.000 Because they didn't have any money.

00:37:57.000 So about that day, when I finally cleared my head up, I said, you know what, I'm never doing it again.

00:38:04.000 And I never done coke again.

00:38:06.000 Yeah, it's not a good drug, but there's a lot of things that aren't good drugs.

00:38:11.000 Do you know who Dr. Carl Hart is?

00:38:14.000 No, I've never heard of him.

00:38:15.000 He's a professor at Columbia, and he was a clinical researcher, and he was a very straight-laced guy, never did any drugs, no nothing.

00:38:25.000 And when he started doing clinical research on different drugs and different things, he realized that all the things that we're being told about drugs are incorrect.

00:38:36.000 A lot of it is overinflated.

00:38:38.000 A lot of it is exaggerated.

00:38:39.000 And he talks openly about responsible drug use.

00:38:44.000 I mean, this guy's a professor, a legitimate academic, an intellectual, and he talks openly about his own personal drug use, about how, you know, that these things can be used responsibly, but that thought is never out there, that nobody says that.

00:39:00.000 Everybody tells you, if you do drugs, you're going to be an addict.

00:39:03.000 If you do drugs, you're going to be a loser.

00:39:04.000 Well, you know, so many people are making money off of the illegal drug market.

00:39:09.000 I mean, if you just imagine...

00:39:13.000 How much money has been spent on incarceration, on probation, on policing.

00:39:18.000 Just prisons themselves.

00:39:20.000 Privatized prisons.

00:39:21.000 So these people don't want drugs to not be valuable to the system.

00:39:26.000 They want it to stay the way it is so they can keep making their money.

00:39:29.000 So they do commercials and they market just like everybody else market their business to stay in business.

00:39:35.000 Right.

00:39:36.000 So those are the things that we're dealing with and we have to get people...

00:39:41.000 That are more sensible, you know?

00:39:44.000 When I got home and found out that marijuana was legal, you know, it was like, wow!

00:39:50.000 Finally, we're waking up, you know?

00:39:53.000 That was just 2016, though, in California, where it was made legal.

00:39:57.000 Well, medically, it was legal when I got home.

00:40:01.000 Right.

00:40:01.000 Yeah, it was medically legal in the 90s.

00:40:03.000 I mean, I got a card.

00:40:06.000 I get headaches, right?

00:40:08.000 Hey, you were smoking when I was on the show, you know, remember?

00:40:10.000 Yeah.

00:40:11.000 And that leads me to...

00:40:13.000 Uh-oh, you're in the business?

00:40:14.000 I'm in the business.

00:40:15.000 Well, you know what's interesting is there's...

00:40:17.000 I bought you some gifts.

00:40:18.000 Oh, what do you got here?

00:40:19.000 This is my new strings.

00:40:21.000 All right.

00:40:21.000 You know, I got a dispensary.

00:40:24.000 You do?

00:40:24.000 I got a dispensary.

00:40:25.000 Where?

00:40:25.000 I'm a legal marijuana dealer at the States.

00:40:27.000 That's incredible.

00:40:30.000 I told you we've been gone a long time, man.

00:40:32.000 Wow.

00:40:33.000 That's great to hear, though, man.

00:40:34.000 Look, I'm a big fan of that.

00:40:36.000 In Texas, it's illegal, but you can get this stuff called Delta 9 THC that's legal, and apparently it's legal federally.

00:40:45.000 So you can just get that.

00:40:47.000 The whole thing is very strange.

00:40:50.000 It's like there's worse things in this world than marijuana.

00:40:54.000 Absolutely.

00:40:54.000 Oh my God, marijuana makes people calmer, makes people funnier.

00:40:58.000 Makes you go to sleep.

00:40:59.000 Makes you go to sleep.

00:41:00.000 I can get some sleep.

00:41:01.000 It makes people more sensitive to other people.

00:41:04.000 It really makes you more compassionate.

00:41:06.000 It does a lot of things for you.

00:41:07.000 Oh man, when I went to my first...

00:41:10.000 Because it all goes back to...

00:41:13.000 I go to my first...

00:41:14.000 When I get off parole, it's crazy, right?

00:41:16.000 They're having a high-time event in LA the day I get off parole.

00:41:20.000 High times?

00:41:21.000 High-time event.

00:41:22.000 The day I get off parole, so my boy from Cincinnati, he's flying out to LA. So he flies out to LA, he comes by the house.

00:41:29.000 He's like, man, you're off parole.

00:41:30.000 Let's go celebrate.

00:41:31.000 And I was like, cool, where we going?

00:41:33.000 He's like, man, they're having a high-time event coming.

00:41:35.000 I was like, oh, no, I don't want to get with that drug stuff, man.

00:41:42.000 Because, you know, I'm still, even though I've been through all I've been through, I'm still under this impression that they've been instilling in us, oh, well, marijuana is a gateway drug.

00:41:51.000 Right.

00:41:52.000 You know, so I'm still tripping off of that.

00:41:55.000 So I was like, oh, man, I don't want to go out there.

00:41:58.000 You know, I start selling marijuana or get involved with the marijuana.

00:42:01.000 Next thing you know, I'll be back doing coke because I understood that I'm an addict.

00:42:05.000 I was an addict to selling cocaine.

00:42:07.000 I mean, I love...

00:42:08.000 If I had a problem, my old lady started arguing, I'd just go sell some coke. 0.95

00:42:14.000 Well, it's a success, right?

00:42:17.000 So that made me feel better.

00:42:18.000 Yeah, you're selling a lot, you're making a lot of money.

00:42:21.000 And I felt better.

00:42:22.000 Why wouldn't you be addicted to that?

00:42:23.000 I forget about your friend in the hospital sick.

00:42:26.000 I'm selling cocaine.

00:42:28.000 So now I forgot about him being sick.

00:42:30.000 So coke had become like a crutch to me, where anything that went wrong for me, coke made it better.

00:42:40.000 I mean, you know, like the commercials, you know, everything goes better with coke.

00:42:44.000 Which used to be made with coke, which is crazy.

00:42:49.000 So it had become like a crutch to me.

00:42:52.000 When I was going to the high time event, I was scared of that happening.

00:42:55.000 And he was like, man, I bet you sell a lot of books and t-shirts.

00:42:58.000 I said, oh, let's go.

00:43:02.000 I bet you did.

00:43:03.000 Man, I found myself out there.

00:43:04.000 Man, those people treated me so good.

00:43:06.000 I was like, what the fuck?

00:43:09.000 I want to be in this community.

00:43:10.000 And after that day, you know, I've been chasing the marijuana business.

00:43:15.000 And in 19, in 2016, when the federal, when they changed the law, I went there and they, you know, first they didn't want convicted felons to work in the industry.

00:43:25.000 Right.

00:43:26.000 I was like, what the fuck?

00:43:27.000 How you guys gonna say that?

00:43:28.000 And we the ones made it where the industry is legal now.

00:43:31.000 Had the people not go to jail for selling marijuana, you never would have thought about legalizing it.

00:43:36.000 Right.

00:43:37.000 And they had me to argue to city council.

00:43:40.000 Wow.

00:43:40.000 That issue.

00:43:41.000 That's crazy.

00:43:42.000 So I got to argue the issue and they broke down and now everybody around the country adopted that philosophy and they're putting convicted felons in the front of the line.

00:43:51.000 That's incredible.

00:43:52.000 You know, the federal government is reducing it to a Schedule 3 now.

00:43:56.000 Yeah, they should just totally leave it.

00:43:57.000 A hundred percent, but at least it's a Schedule 3. What's also listed in Schedule 3?

00:44:07.000 Cocaine might be, actually.

00:44:09.000 Well, it's medically valuable.

00:44:11.000 Do you know that Coca-Cola is one of the largest importers of coca leaves?

00:44:18.000 That coca leaves still flavor Coca-Cola?

00:44:21.000 I didn't know that.

00:44:22.000 And that there's a plant that supplies Coca-Cola.

00:44:25.000 There's a plant that takes the cocaine out of the coca leaves.

00:44:29.000 Creates this flavonoids, these flavors.

00:44:33.000 That's why Coke tastes better than Pepsi.

00:44:36.000 Sorry, Pepsi.

00:44:39.000 If you're a Coke fan, the flavor that Coke has is flavored, partially at least, by cocaine.

00:44:48.000 Coke is Schedule 2. Interesting.

00:44:50.000 Schedule three would be like, it says ketamine, testosterone, anabolic steroids, codeine.

00:44:56.000 Oh, mild shit.

00:44:58.000 Some sort of, yeah.

00:44:58.000 Well, codeine ain't that mild.

00:45:00.000 That's interesting.

00:45:00.000 Tienyl with codeine.

00:45:02.000 Probably less than 90 milligrams.

00:45:03.000 Okay.

00:45:04.000 So then that's where marijuana is going to be, which is still ridiculous.

00:45:09.000 What schedule is Ambien?

00:45:11.000 That shit's fucking scary.

00:45:12.000 What schedule is Adderall?

00:45:13.000 What's Adderall?

00:45:15.000 Well, just hit it right there, Jamie.

00:45:16.000 If you click on what schedule is Adderall, right above?

00:45:20.000 What schedule drug is Adderall?

00:45:22.000 Schedule 2. That stuff is fucking crazy.

00:45:25.000 I know a lot of people hooked on that.

00:45:28.000 Schedule 4. Less.

00:45:30.000 That's funny.

00:45:31.000 Xanax.

00:45:32.000 Xanax is 4. I know a lot of people have been fucked up by Xanax.

00:45:36.000 Valium.

00:45:37.000 I know a lot of people that have been fucked up by Valium.

00:45:40.000 Fucked up by Valium.

00:45:42.000 And then that stuff is less illegal than marijuana.

00:45:47.000 It's crazy.

00:45:48.000 We're so silly.

00:45:50.000 I mean, it's a little baby steps towards legalization.

00:45:54.000 You know, that's one thing that California has above Texas, for sure, is the legalization of marijuana.

00:46:00.000 It should be legal federal.

00:46:02.000 They taxed the shit out of us in California.

00:46:04.000 I wish they did, and I wish they did something good with it.

00:46:06.000 I wish they took those taxes and cleaned up Oakland.

00:46:08.000 I wish they did.

00:46:09.000 They give it to the police department.

00:46:11.000 They don't even do that, man.

00:46:12.000 They're defunding the police department in California by $150 million with a new budget proposal.

00:46:16.000 $150 million.

00:46:17.000 All the fucking problems they have.

00:46:19.000 And they're defunding.

00:46:21.000 What they should do, if you want to tax it, you're making plenty of money, I'm sure.

00:46:28.000 A lot of people want to buy weed.

00:46:30.000 Take that money and fix the fucking problems. 0.61

00:46:33.000 Use that money.

00:46:34.000 Use that money to fix the problems.

00:46:36.000 Stop with all the bureaucracy.

00:46:38.000 Stop with all these fucking useless people.

00:46:40.000 That are getting paid for the homeless programs in Los Angeles.

00:46:44.000 It's just a scam.

00:46:45.000 It's just a bunch of people making money, some of them upwards of $250,000 a year to fix the homeless problem.

00:46:52.000 And they're not doing jack shit.

00:46:55.000 Yeah, I could fix the homeless problem in a couple months.

00:46:57.000 You think so?

00:46:58.000 Absolutely.

00:46:59.000 Just go out and build some nice houses and let them stay there. 0.96

00:47:03.000 Yeah.

00:47:05.000 Yeah.

00:47:13.000 Yeah.

00:47:19.000 I mean, the problem can be solved, you know, but it got to be somebody who said, you know what, we're going to throw a few, maybe 50 million, 100 million into building some low-income houses that we're also going to have some treatments, you know, where people get treated, where they get job training.

00:47:35.000 It's just so many things.

00:47:37.000 I mean, I don't know.

00:47:38.000 Even when I look at, you know, some are supposed to be millionaires, billionaires, you know, the way they...

00:47:45.000 I don't know.

00:47:45.000 I would look at this problem and I would solve it totally different.

00:47:51.000 Because even though I like making money, I'm not like typical people.

00:47:55.000 They get the money and they want to harness it and they just want it for themselves so that they can look down on everybody else.

00:48:00.000 I don't think money is supposed to be used like that.

00:48:02.000 I think money is supposed to be put back into the community where the community can rejuvenate and the money circulates into the community.

00:48:11.000 And that makes everything better for everybody.

00:48:13.000 Absolutely.

00:48:14.000 Yeah.

00:48:14.000 You don't want to be the only one who's doing well.

00:48:17.000 No.

00:48:17.000 That's not a good place to be in life.

00:48:19.000 Well, you know, a lot of people are like that, you know.

00:48:21.000 They're fools.

00:48:22.000 It's just a foolish way of thinking.

00:48:24.000 When we look at the way, you know, the situation with Puff Daddy, you know.

00:48:27.000 He had money, so he treated everybody else like shit, you know.

00:48:29.000 Like, you know, lick a tampon, you know. 0.76

00:48:33.000 Like, what the fuck?

00:48:34.000 What kind of crazy motherfucker would want somebody to lick a tampon? 1.00

00:48:37.000 Yeah.

00:48:38.000 You know, I mean, that's how you get your kicks.

00:48:40.000 I would get my kick by seeing somebody do good.

00:48:42.000 Like, look at that motherfucker. 0.73

00:48:44.000 He's doing good.

00:48:45.000 That's a good kick.

00:48:45.000 That's my motherfucking boy.

00:48:48.000 That's a good kick.

00:48:49.000 I like that kick.

00:48:50.000 Some people get a kick off of degrading people.

00:48:53.000 They get a kick off of being the most powerful person.

00:48:56.000 That's an evil inclination that is built into humanity for some reason.

00:49:02.000 There's always been that impulse for some people to do that.

00:49:07.000 It's very unfortunate.

00:49:07.000 I think power, you can hide your power.

00:49:09.000 You don't even have to show it.

00:49:10.000 Yeah.

00:49:10.000 You can be powerful and nobody even know you're powerful because you don't have to use it.

00:49:14.000 Yeah.

00:49:17.000 That's when you're really powerful when you don't have to use it.

00:49:19.000 You're like, I'm so powerful.

00:49:20.000 Don't nobody even make me use it.

00:49:22.000 Yeah.

00:49:22.000 And you're using your power for good.

00:49:24.000 Yeah.

00:49:25.000 I mean, there's a lot of people with some good ideas in this world.

00:49:29.000 And I think there's a lot of people that are very down on the future of I don't think that helps anybody.

00:49:35.000 I think there's a real possibility that we come out of this better.

00:49:39.000 It's just we have to think right and act right.

00:49:42.000 And then sometimes you got to go to the bottom.

00:49:44.000 They say, one of the books I read, it said that the end of the storm starts at the worst.

00:49:52.000 You know, when you get to the worst, if you can bear the worst...

00:49:55.000 That's the beginning of the end.

00:49:56.000 That's the beginning of the end.

00:49:57.000 So, you know, we got to go through the worst.

00:49:59.000 You know, everybody buckle up and...

00:50:01.000 I think that has to happen, too.

00:50:03.000 I really do.

00:50:04.000 I think people have to see things fall apart before they realize, like, oh, we had it good.

00:50:09.000 And we didn't even realize we had it good.

00:50:10.000 And now we're fucked.

00:50:12.000 And now we have to turn this shit around.

00:50:16.000 We've been going the wrong way.

00:50:18.000 We've been going the wrong way for sure.

00:50:19.000 But we've been led the wrong way.

00:50:20.000 And we've been led the wrong way by people, like what we were just talking about before, that use their power to subjugate others, to keep everybody else down.

00:50:29.000 And then we got all these old motherfuckers who've been running things for too long. 1.00

00:50:34.000 Why do you stay in the Senate and Congress for 30 years?

00:50:39.000 Did you ever look at the founding fathers, how young they were?

00:50:42.000 I haven't.

00:50:43.000 It's crazy.

00:50:44.000 One of them was 18. One of them was 21. These are the people that started the Declaration of Independence.

00:50:52.000 They signed it.

00:50:53.000 These are the people that were the founding fathers of this experiment in self-government that you and I both live in.

00:50:59.000 They were young as fuck, man.

00:51:01.000 Now you look at the people that are in Congress now.

00:51:03.000 You look at people like Like the president, he can't even form a sentence.

00:51:09.000 He doesn't know the difference between Iraq and Afghanistan when he's talking to foreign leaders.

00:51:13.000 He's out of it.

00:51:14.000 He's too old.

00:51:15.000 He's too old.

00:51:16.000 And then Mitch McConnell, he just locks up when he's talking to people.

00:51:21.000 He's too old.

00:51:22.000 He shouldn't be doing that.

00:51:23.000 He's not trying to make the world a better place.

00:51:26.000 He's just trying to not let go of his position of power.

00:51:29.000 And that's a lot of them.

00:51:30.000 And they get there through years and years and years of being deeply embedded into the system.

00:51:36.000 And they know how to work it.

00:51:39.000 And next thing you know, they're the top dog.

00:51:41.000 I think they all should go spend a couple days in jail, you know.

00:51:43.000 Wouldn't be bad.

00:51:44.000 Yeah, just go sit there for a couple weeks, you know, and then see what it's like.

00:51:47.000 Go in the ghetto. 0.82

00:51:48.000 Go in a homeless camp.

00:51:49.000 Let them live in a homeless camp for a week. 0.76

00:51:52.000 You know, eat the food that they're eating.

00:51:53.000 Right.

00:51:53.000 And then you really become an American.

00:51:56.000 Sure.

00:51:59.000 I think if you're not experiencing real life, then you don't know what real life is.

00:52:05.000 Right.

00:52:05.000 You know, if you don't see it, you don't touch it.

00:52:07.000 You know, some of these people never go out to the communities.

00:52:10.000 Right.

00:52:10.000 They go straight from universities right into jobs in the system.

00:52:15.000 They work their way up the ladder.

00:52:17.000 Yeah.

00:52:18.000 And then they have disdain for the common people, which could have been them.

00:52:24.000 You know, different roll the dice, different circumstances, different life.

00:52:28.000 Different parents.

00:52:28.000 Different parents, different place you live.

00:52:30.000 Different brother.

00:52:31.000 Different everything.

00:52:32.000 Could have been them.

00:52:33.000 Could have been them.

00:52:34.000 And people don't want to think that.

00:52:36.000 They genuinely want to believe they're special, which I think is a trap.

00:52:41.000 Well, we're all special.

00:52:42.000 Yeah, but I mean special, different than everybody else.

00:52:45.000 Yeah, when you start to look down on everybody else, that's bad.

00:52:48.000 You know, when you feel privileged for no reason.

00:52:52.000 If you go out and you do something special, then maybe you're special.

00:52:56.000 But if you're not doing anything that anybody else can't do, then you're no better than nobody else.

00:53:01.000 Well, there's definitely special people, but special people are just people.

00:53:04.000 They're just people that have put an extraordinary amount of effort and time, and maybe they have just a God-given talent.

00:53:10.000 And they've achieved incredible things.

00:53:13.000 And those people also, what they do is they elevate everyone around them because they make you realize like, wow, my watermark was here, now it's here.

00:53:23.000 Those are the people that I consider special.

00:53:25.000 Yes.

00:53:25.000 If you can make other people, if you can lift up other people, then you're special.

00:53:29.000 Yeah, I mean, there's so many people just by virtue of their success and the example that they set.

00:53:34.000 They change the course of so many people's lives because they look to those people for inspiration and it gives them the energy to go out and do things.

00:53:41.000 Yes.

00:53:41.000 It gives them the energy, the thoughts, just the idea.

00:53:46.000 Like, that guy did it.

00:53:47.000 I can do it.

00:53:47.000 That's what I want to do.

00:53:49.000 I want to succeed.

00:53:50.000 And it could be a great thing or it could be what happened to you.

00:53:54.000 It's like the wrong inspiration.

00:53:57.000 Absolutely.

00:53:57.000 You know, you say, that's what these guys are succeeding.

00:54:00.000 We don't have shit.

00:54:01.000 They have money.

00:54:02.000 I can do that.

00:54:03.000 And then you do that.

00:54:04.000 But, you know, that could be, in your case, it turned out to not be good, but in other people's cases, in different things, with different examples of people that are succeeding.

00:54:17.000 Like, you could have done what you did in the drug game, if you had better opportunities, in fucking anything.

00:54:22.000 I agree.

00:54:23.000 And it's, genuinely, it's the discipline of an athlete.

00:54:28.000 Which is an extraordinary discipline.

00:54:29.000 The discipline to force yourself to do things you don't want to do.

00:54:32.000 You develop that ability and the ability to like really hone in and focus and have drive and a work ethic.

00:54:40.000 That translates to everything.

00:54:43.000 Everything.

00:54:44.000 You just gotta find a different thing to do.

00:54:46.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:54:47.000 And now with the internet, it makes it better, but we gotta get people to where they understand that they should try to do it.

00:54:55.000 Right.

00:54:56.000 You know, because once you get beat down, once you get beat down, you feel like...

00:55:01.000 Why should I try?

00:55:02.000 I'm gonna get beat down again.

00:55:04.000 I don't have the support.

00:55:06.000 I don't have the crutch to hold me in position until I can build my strength up to be on my own.

00:55:13.000 I think that we as a society have to Give this to our children because if we don't, our children are going to be in trouble.

00:55:22.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:55:24.000 Yeah, our entire society and our society, we're all supposed to be one team.

00:55:31.000 Yes!

00:55:33.000 I mean, if we have countries at all, if you believe in America, you believe in any country, that's supposed to be your team.

00:55:41.000 So everybody is supposed to be on that team together.

00:55:44.000 Everybody.

00:55:44.000 Supposed to be trying to make the team win.

00:55:46.000 Yes.

00:55:47.000 The whole team.

00:55:48.000 And that can be done.

00:55:50.000 And no man left behind.

00:55:52.000 No man left behind, yeah.

00:55:53.000 And if something is wrong, you know, we got to look out for the ones that are slow.

00:55:57.000 That's the sign of bad leadership in our country, that that's not being addressed.

00:56:01.000 That's bad leadership.

00:56:03.000 That all they're doing is serving the interests of all the wealthy people that got them into power in the first place.

00:56:08.000 And the wealthy people, you know, once you get wealthy, you should want to be a philanthropist.

00:56:11.000 I mean, in my opinion, one of the greatest things that a person could do is help somebody else.

00:56:19.000 You know, I mean, that is so, to me, that's like so fulfilling.

00:56:23.000 You know, people tell me, you know, when I do stuff for people, they'd be like, oh man, thank you, thank you.

00:56:28.000 And I'd be like...

00:56:30.000 Thank you.

00:56:31.000 I should be thanking you because you just made my day.

00:56:33.000 I got off by doing that.

00:56:38.000 Yeah, that's what people don't realize.

00:56:39.000 Doing something nice for people is selfish.

00:56:41.000 Yeah.

00:56:42.000 Because it makes you feel good.

00:56:43.000 I'll be feeling selfish.

00:56:44.000 They might ask me for a picture in the airport and I'll be like, sure.

00:56:49.000 You want to take a picture with me?

00:56:51.000 Right.

00:56:52.000 You make them feel good, but you make you feel good, too.

00:56:54.000 You make them feel good, and then you give them some good advice, and it's like, wow, what a feeling it is, you know?

00:57:00.000 So, I don't know.

00:57:02.000 I just come up different, you know?

00:57:06.000 I'm from the streets.

00:57:07.000 I'm from where people kill you for colors.

00:57:10.000 Some of my first heroes was Tookie Williams.

00:57:13.000 I used to look up to Tookie Williams.

00:57:15.000 I wanted to be like Tookie.

00:57:16.000 I wanted to be a crip.

00:57:20.000 To now see the world to where I should be trying to save lives You know, is a total different mentality than when I was 12 years old, 11 years old, you know, and I'm saying guys fight over color and stuff.

00:57:38.000 That was because I was ignorant.

00:57:39.000 I didn't know any better, you know.

00:57:41.000 But once I was educated to the facts that, hey, we supposed to be helping save lives.

00:57:47.000 Not destroying a life.

00:57:49.000 What was it like once you got into jail and learned how to read and then started reading and recognizing that the world was just a much different place than you thought it was?

00:57:59.000 Mind-blowing.

00:58:01.000 Mind-blowing.

00:58:02.000 I hate that nobody ever sit me down and explain to me how exciting book reading was.

00:58:11.000 And, you know, the books I started to read was about making money.

00:58:15.000 I gotta tell you that, too.

00:58:19.000 It was about either making money or how the mind works.

00:58:22.000 You know, how to...

00:58:23.000 How to think, you know, how to think successfully, how to have faith in yourself, how to believe in you, you know, because when you don't believe in yourself, it's hard to believe in anything.

00:58:37.000 Right.

00:58:37.000 You know, if you believe you're a loser, then you think everybody else is losers as well.

00:58:43.000 Right.

00:58:44.000 So...

00:58:45.000 Having these experiences in these books, you know, Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill, like, just blew my mind, you know, like, fuck, people actually think like this here, you know, like, you can think and grow rich, you can use your mind to create,

00:59:00.000 and you only really need one idea that could make you a fortune, you know, that you shouldn't be allowing other people to Feed your mind, their ideas, you know, what they think you should be, you know, because when I was coming up,

00:59:19.000 other people affected the way I thought, you know, like, man, you play tennis?

00:59:25.000 That's a girl sport. 1.00

00:59:26.000 You know, you write, you reading a book?

00:59:31.000 Why are you reading a book?

00:59:32.000 You need a gun.

00:59:33.000 You know, so these things start to shape your mind.

00:59:38.000 And, you know, when I find out from James Allen that I am the gardener of my mind and I have to keep my mind weed free.

00:59:49.000 You know, I have to pluck the weeds out as soon as a negative thought pop in.

00:59:53.000 Because, you know, even since I've been home, you know, they didn't offer me coke.

00:59:56.000 I had a few guys come up.

00:59:57.000 Oh, I was just playing.

00:59:59.000 You know, nudge you on the shoulder.

01:00:01.000 I was just playing.

01:00:01.000 Just see where you was at with it.

01:00:05.000 So as soon as those things happen, you got to get rid of them.

01:00:08.000 You know, because when Blandon approached me about selling drugs again, I wasn't planning on selling drugs no more.

01:00:17.000 But when he kept offering it, and when I listened to the tape in court, man, you know, I'm in court, we're going to trial, and they're playing the tapes of our recorded phone calls, and he says, Rick, I got 700 kilos.

01:00:33.000 The first thing popped out of my mind, my mouth, and I don't even know I said this, how much?

01:00:42.000 First thing.

01:00:42.000 And I done told myself, I have promised myself, Joe, I promised myself and my kids, I'm never selling coke again.

01:00:52.000 But when he asked me that question on that tape, which is probably what convicted me, I said, how much?

01:01:00.000 Wow.

01:01:02.000 Unconsciously.

01:01:02.000 I think I had...

01:01:05.000 Had fallen asleep behind the wheel.

01:01:06.000 So you had already decided to get out?

01:01:09.000 I was out.

01:01:10.000 I hadn't sold drugs in five and a half, six years.

01:01:14.000 Really?

01:01:15.000 Yeah.

01:01:16.000 And the conversations on the phone are what got you convicted?

01:01:20.000 Yeah.

01:01:20.000 Was he wearing a wire?

01:01:22.000 He was wearing a wire.

01:01:22.000 He was recording the conversation.

01:01:24.000 He had already become a government informant.

01:01:26.000 Oh, my God.

01:01:28.000 And I asked him how much.

01:01:30.000 Oh, my God.

01:01:31.000 They played that over and over in the courtroom.

01:01:34.000 How much?

01:01:35.000 How much?

01:01:36.000 I just kept hearing myself say, how much?

01:01:38.000 And I just put my head down because I knew that that was a crucial mistake.

01:01:45.000 Wow.

01:01:46.000 Even though I didn't bite that time.

01:01:48.000 I didn't bite.

01:01:49.000 But you did say how much.

01:01:50.000 I did say how much.

01:01:51.000 That's all it took.

01:01:52.000 That's all it took.

01:01:52.000 So that showed a interest.

01:01:54.000 Oh, my God.

01:01:55.000 As if I would have said, oh, I don't fuck with drugs no more.

01:02:00.000 But, you know, I'm talking to my partner.

01:02:02.000 You know, I'm talking to the homie. 1.00

01:02:04.000 We chopping it up.

01:02:06.000 Right.

01:02:07.000 Old times.

01:02:08.000 Just out of curiosity, how much?

01:02:11.000 Good times, you know, sound like good times.

01:02:12.000 I don't sell drugs anymore, but out of curiosity.

01:02:16.000 What kind of figures are we talking about here?

01:02:20.000 Yeah.

01:02:22.000 It's exciting too, right?

01:02:23.000 Yeah.

01:02:24.000 That's also a part of the problem.

01:02:26.000 Regular life gets mundane.

01:02:28.000 Selling drugs is exciting, man.

01:02:29.000 I bet.

01:02:30.000 The girls?

01:02:30.000 Oh, I bet.

01:02:31.000 Girls like drug dealers. 1.00

01:02:33.000 I bet.

01:02:34.000 Drug dealers have a lot of money.

01:02:36.000 Nice cars.

01:02:37.000 Yeah.

01:02:38.000 Pay for nice hotels.

01:02:39.000 Yeah.

01:02:39.000 Girls like nice things.

01:02:41.000 Buy you nice gifts.

01:02:43.000 Nice shoes.

01:02:44.000 Nice bag.

01:02:45.000 Nice this.

01:02:46.000 Nice clothes.

01:02:47.000 So it's easy, you know, when I go out and I talk to these young guys, I don't criticize them because I understand what they're going through.

01:02:54.000 And I understand that if we don't replace the drug with something else, don't even ask them to quit.

01:03:01.000 Right.

01:03:03.000 Why?

01:03:04.000 Why would you ask somebody not to feed their kids, you know, not to be able to buy their girlfriends the shoes she wants and, you know, we have to come up with things Because, you know, most of the manufacturing jobs overseas.

01:03:17.000 Right.

01:03:18.000 You know, we don't make anything in America anymore.

01:03:20.000 Very little.

01:03:21.000 Very little.

01:03:22.000 Yeah.

01:03:23.000 How crazy is that?

01:03:25.000 Who the fuck didn't see that coming?

01:03:27.000 That was going to ruin everything.

01:03:28.000 Huh.

01:03:29.000 Just have people in other countries that are extremely poor work for almost nothing.

01:03:37.000 It's weird, man.

01:03:38.000 We're a goofy, goofy culture.

01:03:41.000 And we have so much information.

01:03:43.000 It's not like the solution's impossible to solve.

01:03:45.000 Oh no, we can fix it.

01:03:47.000 Yeah.

01:03:47.000 We can fix it.

01:03:49.000 But we gotta start.

01:03:50.000 Yeah.

01:03:51.000 Right where we at.

01:03:52.000 You know, we gotta put our hands down, our feet down, and say, you know what, we're gonna make a stance.

01:03:59.000 And...

01:04:02.000 You know, that's what I believe.

01:04:03.000 You start with what you got, where you at.

01:04:06.000 You know, so many people want things to be perfect.

01:04:08.000 No, it ain't going to be perfect.

01:04:10.000 You know, you might have to go through a little something.

01:04:13.000 You might have to miss a couple meals, you know, but this is what it's going to take.

01:04:18.000 Yeah, it's just hard if someone's already making a lot of money doing something illegal.

01:04:23.000 It's very hard to tell them you're going to make way less money and you're going to work way harder and you're not going to enjoy it, but it's going to be legal.

01:04:33.000 That's a very hard sell.

01:04:35.000 Very hard sell.

01:04:37.000 It is.

01:04:38.000 It is.

01:04:39.000 But we gotta put people first.

01:04:40.000 We gotta learn.

01:04:42.000 I mean, we gotta stop being stupid.

01:04:44.000 Yeah.

01:04:44.000 And I believe when we don't put people first, we're being stupid.

01:04:49.000 Yes.

01:04:50.000 Because without people, there's no drugs, there's no business, there's no nothing.

01:04:53.000 We are people.

01:04:55.000 It's us.

01:04:56.000 It's us.

01:04:56.000 It's just one team.

01:04:58.000 Team human.

01:05:00.000 Let's win, baby.

01:05:01.000 Yeah.

01:05:02.000 The crazy thing is there's enough resources for everybody.

01:05:05.000 There's enough for everybody.

01:05:07.000 There really is.

01:05:08.000 It's just our system is just manipulated and all fucked up and poorly organized and badly planned.

01:05:18.000 I agree.

01:05:19.000 Yeah.

01:05:19.000 I agree.

01:05:21.000 You know I'm deep in the marijuana industry now and I'm watching these guys and these guys are making millions of dollars but I'm watching them cut their own throat.

01:05:33.000 I'm sitting here and I'm literally watching them take razor blades to their necks.

01:05:38.000 How so?

01:05:40.000 Well, some of it I can't talk on the air about it because it ain't proper.

01:05:47.000 Right.

01:05:48.000 Got it.

01:05:49.000 But I would just tell you that I'm being privileged to see this business destroy itself.

01:05:59.000 I'm watching them just destroy their business, you know.

01:06:03.000 No organization, no camaraderie, you know.

01:06:08.000 I'm going to beat this guy out.

01:06:09.000 I'm going to beat that guy out.

01:06:11.000 I'm going to put him out of business.

01:06:13.000 And they're really going to put themselves out of business at the same time.

01:06:17.000 It's like, I saw a thing in National Geographic when I was in jail.

01:06:21.000 And it was an alligator and one of those big water moccasins was fighting. 1.00

01:06:25.000 And the water moccasin wound up swallowing the alligator. 0.93

01:06:29.000 Really?

01:06:30.000 Yeah.

01:06:32.000 But in the process, he swallowed the alligator.

01:06:36.000 So when the alligator go inside, he's still alive.

01:06:40.000 He takes his claws and go like this here.

01:06:44.000 Probably his last...

01:06:45.000 It was probably a python.

01:06:47.000 Might have been a python.

01:06:48.000 Yeah, that's in the Everglades.

01:06:50.000 Yeah.

01:06:51.000 Yeah.

01:06:51.000 Do you know the largest population of pythons in the world is in the Everglades?

01:06:56.000 I didn't know that.

01:06:56.000 They're not even from the Everglades?

01:06:58.000 I didn't know that.

01:06:59.000 Just assholes releasing them.

01:07:01.000 And then maybe a research center that got hit with a hurricane.

01:07:04.000 There's a lot of speculation about how the population got so large, but there's over half a million pythons.

01:07:09.000 Wow.

01:07:09.000 But yeah, they swallow the alligator and the alligator cuts its way out of their body and then they both die.

01:07:15.000 They both die.

01:07:16.000 There's a photo of one of a 12-foot alligator bursting out of the body of a python.

01:07:22.000 Look at this.

01:07:24.000 So this python swallowed this alligator and then the alligator's tail is poking out of it as it clawed its way out.

01:07:34.000 That's its tail.

01:07:35.000 Yeah.

01:07:36.000 So they're both dead.

01:07:37.000 They both died.

01:07:38.000 Yeah.

01:07:38.000 And especially when you're talking about the weed business.

01:07:41.000 How much weed can you sell?

01:07:43.000 You really want to put everybody out of business?

01:07:45.000 Are you fucking retarded? 1.00

01:07:47.000 Why don't you just, like, make as much money as you can and then encourage all these other people to make as much money as they can and hang out together?

01:07:56.000 Go have a barbecue together!

01:08:00.000 Let everybody do good.

01:08:02.000 Everybody set limits.

01:08:04.000 Everybody set limits.

01:08:05.000 Okay, we're going to make this amount of money.

01:08:08.000 The competition is within yourself.

01:08:10.000 The competition is to do better.

01:08:11.000 And if you see other people doing better than you, you say, what are they doing different than me?

01:08:15.000 You should be inspired instead of trying to like squash their business.

01:08:19.000 They can't think.

01:08:20.000 It's stupid.

01:08:21.000 These people can't think.

01:08:22.000 They like gangbangers almost to me.

01:08:25.000 It's very similar.

01:08:26.000 There's the same patterns.

01:08:28.000 Those patterns exist in politics, in business, in everything.

01:08:32.000 Drug dealing, gangbanging, everything.

01:08:35.000 Used to exist like that in comedy.

01:08:36.000 Used to be comedians were all out for themselves.

01:08:39.000 You know, just take someone to kind of explain to everybody, like, this is stupid.

01:08:44.000 There's not that many of us.

01:08:45.000 We're all in this together.

01:08:47.000 It doesn't benefit you at all if someone fails.

01:08:49.000 Let's make society better.

01:08:50.000 Yes, let's make everything better.

01:08:51.000 Let's make the community better.

01:08:52.000 Let's make everything better.

01:08:53.000 That's what it's supposed to be about.

01:08:54.000 That's what it should be about.

01:08:56.000 When it's all said and done, you know, I read a book and the guy says, when you're at the end, how do you want to be remembered?

01:09:07.000 And me, I want people to say, maybe they might say I sold drugs.

01:09:12.000 I don't care about that part.

01:09:13.000 Yeah.

01:09:14.000 I only sold drugs eight years.

01:09:18.000 But at the end, I wanted to say he made the world a better place because he lived.

01:09:22.000 You know, when I go out like that there, I'll be a happy man.

01:09:26.000 Well, sometimes you have to do the wrong thing in order to be an example of someone who can do the wrong thing and course correct and then become a better person.

01:09:35.000 Like, if you're just a good person from the beginning, that's kind of boring.

01:09:39.000 I like a guy who fucks up a few times and then figures it out.

01:09:43.000 And then that can inspire people who have already fucked up their life.

01:09:47.000 Because people want to think that once they fucked up their life, oh my god, I'm a fuck up.

01:09:51.000 But that's not really the case.

01:09:53.000 You just, this life is, like, treat it like a game.

01:09:56.000 Like, if you lose one hand of cards, you're not a card loser for the rest of your life.

01:10:01.000 You gotta figure out, what did I do wrong?

01:10:02.000 Well, I hit at 17. I should've just stuck in the, you know, I would've been alright.

01:10:07.000 Yeah.

01:10:08.000 You gotta learn.

01:10:08.000 And the only way to learn is to fuck up.

01:10:11.000 And this idea that when someone fucks up, they are a fuck-up.

01:10:14.000 No, they're a human being.

01:10:15.000 They're a human being with either bad information or bad counseling or bad examples, and they went down the wrong way.

01:10:23.000 Get off the carpet.

01:10:24.000 Yeah.

01:10:24.000 They knock you down.

01:10:25.000 Get up.

01:10:26.000 Yep.

01:10:26.000 Get up.

01:10:27.000 Because they say you're still the champ as long as you get up.

01:10:30.000 Well, a lot of people will disagree with that.

01:10:33.000 I mean, it's just, it's unfortunate, this mentality that people have.

01:10:38.000 It's a famine mentality, and there's enough for everybody.

01:10:42.000 There really is.

01:10:42.000 And it's also what you were saying, that you like, it's selfish to be generous.

01:10:47.000 It's selfish to be nice.

01:10:48.000 It's selfish to help people, because it makes you feel better.

01:10:50.000 It really does.

01:10:51.000 It's really beneficial to you, and you feel good about yourself.

01:10:55.000 At the end of the night, when you lay your head down, you're like, I'm not a piece of shit.

01:10:59.000 I'm a good guy.

01:11:01.000 I'm helping people.

01:11:01.000 People like me.

01:11:02.000 And I like them.

01:11:03.000 And everybody, we all benefit.

01:11:05.000 And everybody grows.

01:11:05.000 And that's nice.

01:11:06.000 That's a good way to live your life.

01:11:09.000 That's a good example to set.

01:11:11.000 And that can be done.

01:11:12.000 This idea that there's, you know, that's just you against the world.

01:11:16.000 That's crazy.

01:11:18.000 That's going to fuck you over.

01:11:21.000 And I think that's a big problem that we're having.

01:11:24.000 You know, hopefully we can start working on that.

01:11:25.000 Have you met this rapper that has been running around with your name for all these years?

01:11:30.000 Oh, he dodges me.

01:11:31.000 He dodges me.

01:11:32.000 You've never seen him?

01:11:33.000 No, I call him Bad Luck Slip Rapper.

01:11:34.000 You see what happened the other night?

01:11:35.000 He walked Agent Bronner into the ring.

01:11:39.000 Oh, and Agent Bronner got knocked out?

01:11:40.000 Well, he didn't get knocked out.

01:11:41.000 He got beat up.

01:11:42.000 The worst beating he ever got before in his life.

01:11:45.000 Well, Adrian Broner is a cautionary tale because he was an incredibly talented young man.

01:11:51.000 Very, very talented when he was young.

01:11:53.000 But he fucked off too much.

01:11:55.000 And he didn't stay the path.

01:11:56.000 He didn't stay disciplined.

01:11:58.000 And, you know, he had some losses.

01:12:00.000 And Maidana hurt him.

01:12:02.000 That was like the first one.

01:12:03.000 Yeah.

01:12:04.000 It was a few different fights.

01:12:05.000 He just, you know, and now, what is he, 35, 36?

01:12:10.000 Broke.

01:12:11.000 And if you're normal men, healthy men, when they hit 36, their body starts to decline.

01:12:20.000 Absolutely.

01:12:21.000 And he's not that healthy.

01:12:23.000 I mean, he was fat just a little while ago.

01:12:25.000 Gervonta Davis took him in, and he started training with Gervonta, and he documented it.

01:12:29.000 So he showed photos of, like, he had this big belly, he looked fat and out of shape, and then leaned himself down to where he had a six-pack again, but...

01:12:38.000 You're just getting back in shape.

01:12:40.000 These motherfuckers that you're fighting have been in shape for a decade. 1.00

01:12:44.000 Stay in shape.

01:12:44.000 Stay in shape for a decade.

01:12:46.000 Their reflexes and timing and technique is finely honed to a razor's edge.

01:12:51.000 You can't just jump back in and compete with some dude who's been on the game for ten fucking straight years.

01:12:57.000 Yeah.

01:12:57.000 And is focusing on the path.

01:12:59.000 It takes a long time to get back to where you were.

01:13:03.000 Forget about to where they are.

01:13:05.000 You might look the part.

01:13:07.000 You may be able to hit pads and everybody's like, oh, he's back.

01:13:10.000 The difference between success and failure in the boxing game is fractions of a second.

01:13:17.000 Fractions of a second, the ability to maintain a pace for as many rounds as the fight is, the understanding of how to pace yourself, the ability to handle the pressure, the pressure of knowing that you've fucked up for so long and this is a big opportunity, the nerves, the anxiety,

01:13:33.000 the sleepless nights before the fight, all that's gonna weigh on you.

01:13:36.000 All those different things.

01:13:38.000 When you look at the elite of the elite boxers, To a man, to every one of them, they're disciplined.

01:13:44.000 And they stay focused.

01:13:47.000 And like, okay, you know who's the same age as Adrian Broner?

01:13:50.000 Terrence Crawford.

01:13:51.000 Best boxer in the world.

01:13:52.000 I agree.

01:13:53.000 Best boxer.

01:13:54.000 I agree.

01:13:55.000 I am so excited to see this fight with Canelo Alvarez because I think the Saudi Arabians have so much money. 1.00

01:14:02.000 They're throwing so much money at boxing.

01:14:04.000 And the guy who's the head of boxing over there wants to make that fight happen.

01:14:07.000 I think Terrence Crawford, forget about the three weight classes.

01:14:10.000 I think he can beat Canelo.

01:14:12.000 I think he can too.

01:14:13.000 He's the best switch hitter in boxing since Marvin Hagler.

01:14:16.000 And his hands are like rocks.

01:14:18.000 I held his hand in Dallas.

01:14:23.000 You know, I found Kid Austin, the boxer.

01:14:25.000 Oh, did you?

01:14:26.000 Yeah, and he was 2-0.

01:14:27.000 So I helped him get to where he's at now, even though I don't get any credit for it.

01:14:32.000 A lot of people fucking you over, man.

01:14:35.000 So I went to that fight, and Terrence was there, and I was with Anthony Peterson.

01:14:39.000 I managed Anthony Peterson.

01:14:42.000 Anthony's 39. He wants to come back, so we're going to see.

01:14:45.000 But Anthony deals with it a little different.

01:14:47.000 Anthony stays in shape, sparring.

01:14:50.000 But anyway, I held Terrence's hand, and he's so damn big, and he's like a sack of rocks.

01:14:54.000 I was like, damn, this dude's hands are like rocks!

01:14:58.000 So I'm taking Terrence in that fight as well.

01:15:01.000 He's so clever.

01:15:02.000 I took him in the Earl Spence fight too.

01:15:04.000 Yeah, I thought Earl Spence.

01:15:05.000 First of all, Earl Spence, that car accident is crazy.

01:15:09.000 If you watch that car accident, nobody comes out of a car accident like that and not damaged.

01:15:14.000 He had to get brain damage from that car accident.

01:15:16.000 That car flipped.

01:15:18.000 He got thrown out of the car.

01:15:19.000 Luckily, he wasn't wearing a seatbelt, which is so crazy.

01:15:22.000 It's one of the few times where someone not wearing a seatbelt saved their life.

01:15:25.000 Benefited.

01:15:26.000 Yeah, crazy.

01:15:27.000 But that had to fuck him up.

01:15:30.000 I mean, he was undefeated before that.

01:15:31.000 Yeah.

01:15:32.000 But you know what?

01:15:33.000 Crawford's just so good anyway.

01:15:35.000 And he's a different guy.

01:15:37.000 He's a different guy.

01:15:38.000 No parties, no drinking.

01:15:40.000 No, he's clever.

01:15:42.000 He's clever.

01:15:43.000 He sets traps.

01:15:44.000 He's not just a power striker.

01:15:46.000 Not that Errol Spence is not a great boxer.

01:15:48.000 He's a great boxer, but I think Terrence is one of the all-time greats.

01:15:52.000 He's just so slick.

01:15:54.000 He talked about how he knew that he was gonna eat a punch in order to counter, so he had to put himself in range so he knew Errol could hit him, so that he could crack him.

01:16:06.000 He's like, I knew I had to gamble on this.

01:16:09.000 And this is like levels to the way that guy fight, the game he plays.

01:16:15.000 When he gets you hurt, you're fucked.

01:16:18.000 Oh yeah.

01:16:18.000 You're fucked.

01:16:19.000 Oh yeah.

01:16:19.000 You don't want to be hurt in there with him.

01:16:21.000 No.

01:16:22.000 He's not going to miss on opportunities.

01:16:25.000 He's on that all-time greatness track, you know?

01:16:29.000 But again, he's like the same age as Adrian Broner.

01:16:32.000 He's like, Adrian Broner, when he was young, was crazy talented.

01:16:36.000 He was so fast and so good.

01:16:39.000 But you can't fake that game.

01:16:42.000 You are either all in or you are faking it.

01:16:46.000 And if you are faking it, you're going to run into some dude who's all in.

01:16:49.000 You're going to run into some David Benavidez character that's just not skipping days.

01:16:55.000 Nah.

01:16:55.000 Not skipping days.

01:16:57.000 Who really want it.

01:16:57.000 Really wants it.

01:16:59.000 It's everything all day long.

01:17:00.000 But you know, it's hard when they get the money to stay on that track.

01:17:03.000 Yes.

01:17:03.000 When they get rich, you know, you want to enjoy...

01:17:06.000 I guess you want to enjoy your money.

01:17:08.000 Of course.

01:17:09.000 You know?

01:17:10.000 Of course.

01:17:10.000 But, you know, that comes at a price.

01:17:13.000 And some people...

01:17:14.000 The only person that I know that has really been able to avoid that temptation is Floyd.

01:17:18.000 Right?

01:17:19.000 Floyd Mayweather was still elite, the elite of the elite, while he had hundreds of millions of dollars.

01:17:26.000 Yeah.

01:17:26.000 Just still.

01:17:27.000 He would go to a club, drink water, and then run home with his jeans on.

01:17:32.000 Run home for miles.

01:17:34.000 He'd have his drivers drive, and he would run behind him.

01:17:36.000 We picked him up in Memphis.

01:17:39.000 He got off the plane.

01:17:40.000 Looked like he was on the plane working out.

01:17:42.000 He probably was.

01:17:43.000 Yeah.

01:17:44.000 He had on his shorts and was sweaty and he ran straight in, went in the shower, showered up and put his suit on and went to the club.

01:17:51.000 So what you're saying is what I believe is to be correct.

01:17:55.000 Yeah.

01:17:55.000 He shows you all the watches and shows you all the cars and shows you the big house.

01:18:01.000 But what you don't see is the discipline.

01:18:03.000 Just the straightforward, eyes on the prize, discipline and focus.

01:18:10.000 That's how you get to be a Floyd Mayweather.

01:18:11.000 You don't get to be a Floyd Mayweather any other way.

01:18:13.000 There's a lot of talented people out there.

01:18:15.000 There's a lot of people that are gifted, athletically gifted.

01:18:18.000 They're faster than other folks.

01:18:19.000 They hit harder than other folks.

01:18:20.000 But it's the discipline and the focus that leads you to the end.

01:18:24.000 That's how you become a great.

01:18:26.000 There's no other way.

01:18:27.000 No one becomes like a Sugary Leonard or a Floyd Mayweather or Tommy Hearns without discipline they don't it doesn't happen you have to stay focused always and if you don't Then worse then you left with a life of regret.

01:18:43.000 We said that's what we were saying about the drug business I mean it applies to really anything anything and that's why I believe that I can Can play major roles in so many different businesses because, you know, and I'm at the point in my life that I know that all I got to do is sacrifice for a couple months and you're in the game,

01:19:03.000 you know?

01:19:04.000 I've been in boxing now for like six years, you know?

01:19:06.000 Really?

01:19:07.000 Yeah, I manage about six or seven fighters.

01:19:09.000 Who do you manage?

01:19:10.000 I got a guy, Bashan Champ right now, Alvin Vermeer.

01:19:17.000 I just signed a kid.

01:19:18.000 I just signed my first national champs.

01:19:21.000 I got like four national champs.

01:19:22.000 Oh, wow.

01:19:27.000 Damn, I can't even think of everybody's name.

01:19:29.000 I shouldn't have named nobody.

01:19:30.000 That's okay.

01:19:31.000 Everybody would be like, why you didn't mention me?

01:19:33.000 Why you didn't give me a shout out?

01:19:34.000 Yeah.

01:19:35.000 But I got about four national champs that I'm signing this year.

01:19:41.000 And I'm not a big fan of boxing.

01:19:45.000 You're not?

01:19:46.000 No, I'm not.

01:19:47.000 I'm not.

01:19:47.000 Really?

01:19:50.000 I think when you're trying to knock the most valuable thing that a human being has, which is their brain, you're trying to knock their brain out, I think it's kind of...

01:20:01.000 It's almost like Dylan Koch almost.

01:20:03.000 So why are you involved in it?

01:20:05.000 Because I hate to see these guys wind up broke at the end of their careers.

01:20:09.000 And they're going to do it anyway.

01:20:10.000 So you're going to try to help them.

01:20:12.000 I'm going to try to stop that.

01:20:13.000 And then they have so much influence over our people, man.

01:20:16.000 They can say a word and our people just follow them.

01:20:21.000 That is the thing.

01:20:21.000 When you see someone succeed and someone who lives a disciplined life, especially if you're a fan of a boxer, it'll make you want to live like that.

01:20:29.000 Yeah, so I just felt that I could step in and really help these guys with their money as well as help them become the mentors that they should be.

01:20:44.000 And that's why I got into boxing.

01:20:45.000 You know, Floyd picked me up from the halfway house.

01:20:48.000 He did?

01:20:49.000 Yeah.

01:20:49.000 He picked me up from the halfway house.

01:20:51.000 That's crazy.

01:20:53.000 And I was trying to, you know, show him what I know, but he didn't really want to use me for that.

01:21:02.000 Have you ever seen anybody confront Rick Ross about you?

01:21:07.000 Not in person, no.

01:21:09.000 Anytime I'm around, he disappears.

01:21:11.000 But is there any video of anybody, like, hey, why are you running around with this dude's name when this dude's out of jail now?

01:21:17.000 Well, you know, these guys, they're kind of like, like we talked about, when you got some money, They don't care if you beating women or making them lick tampons.

01:21:27.000 You know, everybody fuck with you.

01:21:29.000 So, you know, he was on top of the world.

01:21:31.000 He was a corrections officer.

01:21:33.000 Yeah, but he was.

01:21:34.000 But when he got some money, they forgot about he was a correctional officer.

01:21:38.000 You got gangsters, you know, doing records with him.

01:21:41.000 You know, people who say, oh, I hate snitches and all this, but they're doing records with a police officer who put handcuffs.

01:21:48.000 You know, I got letters from guys that was in jail with him when he was a correctional officer, and they told me what a shitty guy he was.

01:21:53.000 You know, that they would be shooting dice, he would take the dice and all the money, and they got extra soup, he'd take the soups.

01:22:01.000 Wow.

01:22:02.000 And, you know, just stuff that normal officers just don't, you know, officers...

01:22:07.000 I mean, everybody in jail got extra soups.

01:22:09.000 You know, you say your soups because it might come a time and you ain't got them, so you stack your stuff up, but most officers don't even care.

01:22:15.000 You know, ah, who cares about extra soup?

01:22:17.000 We trying to get the dope dealers and, you know, the guys with the knives, but...

01:22:22.000 Then you got those ones, and they're like, oh, well, you got an extra pair of underwear.

01:22:26.000 You're going to the hole.

01:22:28.000 And that's how he was?

01:22:30.000 That's how he was.

01:22:31.000 They say that's the kind of cop he was.

01:22:34.000 And then when I hear that he's the biggest gangster rapper on the planet, it's like...

01:22:37.000 It's just so crazy.

01:22:39.000 What is it like having a dude running around out there with your name?

01:22:43.000 Like, if there was a rapper out there named Joe Rogan, I'd be like, what the fuck?

01:22:49.000 I mean, it's crazy, you know, like, how would you take my name and not have the decency to ask me first of all, you should have asked, but then never pay homage?

01:23:06.000 You know, he won't even admit that he stole the name.

01:23:08.000 He tells people that he invented the name, like...

01:23:12.000 How the fuck do you invent this name?

01:23:14.000 Well, it's so crazy because the name was famous.

01:23:17.000 Your name was famous.

01:23:19.000 Everybody knew who you were.

01:23:20.000 When the case came out and when the connection to the Iran Contra affair came out, when everybody found out what was going on, you were a legend.

01:23:31.000 Yeah, you threw a few million dollars toward Instagram and Facebook and Instagram.

01:23:37.000 The radio station.

01:23:39.000 Everybody forget about that.

01:23:41.000 And you put a little gold chain on.

01:23:43.000 And you drive a Rolls Royce and a couple pretty girls. 0.95

01:23:46.000 It's one thing if his name was Rick Ross.

01:23:49.000 It's possible there could be another Rick Ross out there.

01:23:52.000 I've met other Joe Rogans.

01:23:54.000 That's real.

01:23:55.000 Me too.

01:23:56.000 I met other Rick Rosses.

01:23:57.000 But what the fuck, man?

01:23:59.000 The guy knows who you are.

01:24:01.000 Everybody knows who you are.

01:24:03.000 Takes your name.

01:24:05.000 I mean, it's like...

01:24:07.000 It doesn't even make sense.

01:24:09.000 Didn't you have a case?

01:24:10.000 You had a legal case.

01:24:12.000 Yeah, I lost the case.

01:24:13.000 How the fuck did you lose?

01:24:14.000 They said I should have filed a lawsuit.

01:24:16.000 The judge got to make a technical decision.

01:24:20.000 She had to make a decision when did the public first become known of him using my name.

01:24:27.000 So what she did is she picked a little radio station outside of Miami that played his record for the first time.

01:24:37.000 So that was the date that the public first became known that he was using the name.

01:24:41.000 So there was a statute of limitations of when you were supposed to address it?

01:24:45.000 Yes.

01:24:46.000 How much time?

01:24:47.000 Two years.

01:24:49.000 What?

01:24:49.000 Yeah, you get two years.

01:24:50.000 So if we went by her time frame, I should have filed my lawsuit five days before I got out of jail.

01:24:56.000 Oh my God.

01:24:57.000 I was five days late.

01:24:59.000 That's so crazy.

01:25:00.000 But I think she would have found another reason to come up with a date.

01:25:04.000 Well, the record company probably would have helped, right?

01:25:06.000 I mean, think about how much money they're making off of him.

01:25:09.000 Oh, yeah.

01:25:09.000 They have 15 lawyers.

01:25:12.000 You know how much money they say they spend on the lawsuit?

01:25:14.000 How much?

01:25:15.000 One and a half million dollars.

01:25:17.000 Wow.

01:25:17.000 You know how much they offer me?

01:25:18.000 How much?

01:25:19.000 Zero.

01:25:20.000 Zero.

01:25:20.000 They never come and say, hey, man.

01:25:22.000 What would you have accepted?

01:25:23.000 Just to like...

01:25:25.000 Well, you know, Joe, my mom, we was getting evicted out of my mom's house during the time of the lawsuit.

01:25:32.000 So I imagine if she was losing her house for $220,000. 0.99

01:25:36.000 So if somebody would have came up and said, hey, I'll save your mom's house.

01:25:39.000 Because, you know, I was worried about my mom.

01:25:41.000 My mom was, at that time, she was 83, 84. And one of my biggest concerns was her being homeless. 0.99

01:25:50.000 So I probably would have took $220,000.

01:25:52.000 If he would have came and said, hey, I'm going to save your mom's house...

01:25:56.000 Let me have Rick Ross change the name to Mitch or whatever.

01:26:02.000 Well, you wouldn't have to change your name.

01:26:04.000 That's crazy.

01:26:05.000 I didn't even care about the name.

01:26:08.000 I didn't care about the name like that.

01:26:10.000 I just felt that it was so disrespectful that he didn't come and ask me or he didn't show any consideration or pay any homage to the fact that he actually took my name.

01:26:27.000 So, but yeah, I probably would have took $250,000.

01:26:30.000 If they would have said $300,000, I would have been tickled pink.

01:26:33.000 Because I felt that I didn't need much money to get started.

01:26:35.000 Meanwhile, they spent $1.5 million?

01:26:38.000 $1.5 million.

01:26:39.000 I owe them right now.

01:26:40.000 I owe them a million dollars.

01:26:42.000 What?

01:26:42.000 Yeah, I got a million dollar judgment against them.

01:26:44.000 Because you have to pay their legal fees.

01:26:46.000 I have to pay their legal fees.

01:26:47.000 Oh my God.

01:26:47.000 And then the judge was like, oh, well, I don't believe you guys actually spend $1.5 million, but maybe a million dollars.

01:26:54.000 Oh my God.

01:26:54.000 She gave me a million dollar judgment.

01:26:56.000 Isn't that insane?

01:26:57.000 For your name.

01:26:58.000 Your fucking name. 0.90

01:26:59.000 And you can't appeal this?

01:27:02.000 Well, we appealed it, but, you know, once you lose to the appeals court, you're not going to the Supreme Court or anything like that.

01:27:09.000 So, yeah, that's how he wound up being able to continue to use a name.

01:27:13.000 You know, he changed to Rosé, though.

01:27:15.000 Yeah.

01:27:15.000 Because they thought they might lose.

01:27:18.000 If this judge picks a different date, you know, we go to trial.

01:27:24.000 Yeah.

01:27:25.000 Right.

01:27:25.000 And they didn't want to go to trial.

01:27:28.000 I think if they went to trial, everybody in LA would have, like, they would have hammered him.

01:27:33.000 Like, you know you stole that name.

01:27:34.000 If you'd have heard the thing that he did, you know, because we did his deposition.

01:27:38.000 We took his depo.

01:27:40.000 That was the first time I ever met him in person.

01:27:41.000 You know, he wouldn't shake my hand either.

01:27:43.000 Really?

01:27:44.000 No.

01:27:44.000 When he walked in, all the attorneys, it was a big table.

01:27:47.000 It was about...

01:27:48.000 About 12 people in the room and he walks in and he walks around the table, shakes everybody, including my lawyer, shakes my lawyer's hands and everybody.

01:27:57.000 And I stood up to shake his hand because I don't have no hard feelings, you know, just give me my money.

01:28:03.000 Right.

01:28:04.000 Right.

01:28:05.000 So he throws his eyes at me and walks away, turns his shoulder like...

01:28:09.000 Wow.

01:28:10.000 You know, like, I ain't, you know.

01:28:13.000 And then he comes up with this...

01:28:15.000 Oh, my goodness.

01:28:17.000 I don't know where he got the story from.

01:28:18.000 He said he played football in high school, and the whole team was called the Big East.

01:28:26.000 And...

01:28:28.000 Some guy was trying to call him Big East and accidentally called him the Big Boss and then somebody else called him Rick Ross.

01:28:38.000 It went from Big Boss to Rick Ross.

01:28:41.000 That's his story.

01:28:42.000 That's the dumbest.

01:28:43.000 How he came up with the name Rick Ross.

01:28:44.000 That's the dumbest fucking story I've ever had in my life.

01:28:47.000 If I'd have been the judge, I would have hammered him just for saying, you know, come in my courtroom lying like that.

01:28:51.000 That's the dumbest.

01:28:52.000 But that's impossible.

01:28:55.000 If he's rapping about drug dealing and money, it's impossible that he doesn't know who you are.

01:29:01.000 Impossible.

01:29:02.000 Impossible.

01:29:03.000 Not possible.

01:29:05.000 I agree.

01:29:05.000 Everybody.

01:29:06.000 I knew who you were.

01:29:07.000 I had heard the story.

01:29:08.000 I don't even remember when I read about it.

01:29:11.000 When Gary Webb published a story in 96 with the San Jose Mercury News, my name that year was one of the biggest names in the country.

01:29:19.000 Yeah, because the story was insane.

01:29:22.000 It was the first time any story had ever been published on the internet by a major newspaper.

01:29:30.000 Remember?

01:29:31.000 The internet was brand new.

01:29:33.000 So when they published that article on the internet, no story hit ever.

01:29:37.000 Because remember, the CIA tried to recall that article, but you know, once it hit the internet, it can't be recalled.

01:29:43.000 They tried to recall the article?

01:29:44.000 You don't remember?

01:29:45.000 I don't.

01:29:47.000 The printed copies, they stopped doing.

01:29:49.000 They took the CIA emblems off and everything.

01:29:52.000 Really?

01:29:53.000 Yeah, they made them take all that stuff off.

01:29:56.000 But the internet, you couldn't take it back at the time.

01:29:59.000 Once it hit the internet, it's like, boom!

01:30:02.000 It's all over the world.

01:30:03.000 When you hit that button, there ain't no recall.

01:30:06.000 If you put something on that thing and you hit that button, what you said is what you said.

01:30:10.000 You're going to have to live with that.

01:30:12.000 So when it went viral, it was nothing they could do.

01:30:18.000 And it just went crazy.

01:30:20.000 So everybody picked it up.

01:30:23.000 CNN, Nightline, Dayline, 2020. You know, I'm doing like six interviews for my jail cell every day.

01:30:31.000 Every day, people coming out and talking to me.

01:30:33.000 And I told you, that's when the CIA came down.

01:30:36.000 The CIA came to my jail cell and interviewed me.

01:30:39.000 The CIA, the OIG, Congress, Maxine Waters.

01:30:44.000 I mean, it was like...

01:30:46.000 Fuck, I become a celebrity in jail.

01:30:48.000 Like, they start treating me different.

01:30:50.000 What did the CIA say to you in jail?

01:30:53.000 What did I know about cocaine being trafficked by the Contras?

01:30:58.000 Which, you know, I didn't really know about the Contras.

01:31:01.000 You know, I knew Danilo.

01:31:03.000 I don't know about no damn Contras. 1.00

01:31:04.000 You knew the guy who was supplying you.

01:31:07.000 Yeah, that's all I know.

01:31:07.000 I don't know if he was a Contra or CIA informant or I don't know none of that shit.

01:31:13.000 I never cared.

01:31:14.000 You know, I'm an illiterate, you know, 28, 30-year-old guy from South Central who never watched the news and, you know, had heard about the Iran-Contra stuff, but that shit didn't mean nothing to me.

01:31:28.000 It had no effect on South Central LA. You know what I'm saying?

01:31:32.000 I don't know that...

01:31:34.000 My prices and my drug quality, depending on what happened over there, I'm not paying no attention to that.

01:31:40.000 I'm just worried about, man, my drugs are going to get here on time.

01:31:44.000 Is it going to be cheap?

01:31:45.000 Is it going to be good?

01:31:47.000 So when all that stuff was coming about, they wanted to know how much money I was making, you know, who I bought drugs from, what years I bought drugs, you know, just a whole, basically like an interview.

01:32:01.000 So how do you think it worked?

01:32:03.000 Do you think there's like a rogue element that was inside of the government?

01:32:07.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:32:08.000 Absolutely.

01:32:09.000 But I don't mean to cut you off.

01:32:12.000 No, go ahead.

01:32:13.000 Because it was a rogue element to it.

01:32:16.000 But the rogue element come from the top as well.

01:32:20.000 Not that they necessarily sanctioned it, but they knew about it.

01:32:28.000 They turned a blind eye.

01:32:30.000 They turned a blind eye.

01:32:31.000 You know, it was a saying, Nancy Reagan said, say no, and Ronald Reagan said, act like you don't know.

01:32:45.000 So, they admitted.

01:32:48.000 They admitted.

01:32:49.000 See, I admitted.

01:32:50.000 Yes, we knew they were selling drugs.

01:32:53.000 And we did nothing to stop them.

01:32:54.000 So, right there...

01:32:56.000 It's a crime.

01:32:57.000 Because if you're an agent of the government and you know somebody's committing a crime, you're supposed to stop it.

01:33:02.000 Right.

01:33:03.000 But they understood that if they stop that, they lose the war.

01:33:07.000 Right.

01:33:10.000 It just makes you wonder how much of that shit was going on during the Vietnam War.

01:33:15.000 Because a lot of people think that the Vietnam War was, a lot of it was about moving heroin.

01:33:20.000 Yeah, I heard that as well.

01:33:21.000 Yeah, and that makes sense.

01:33:23.000 It makes sense.

01:33:24.000 Like, if you are in a business, especially the Vietnam War, right?

01:33:27.000 Because the Vietnam War was started with a false flag.

01:33:30.000 So the Gulf of Tonkin incident starts the Vietnam War.

01:33:33.000 The Gulf of Tonkin incident never took place.

01:33:36.000 It was a fake incident.

01:33:37.000 They said, we were attacked by North Korea, or excuse me, North Vietnam.

01:33:41.000 We have to go in there and fight the Viet Cong. 1.00

01:33:44.000 Never happened.

01:33:44.000 It was fake.

01:33:45.000 They made it up just to get us to go to war. 0.57

01:33:47.000 So if you're willing to kill, who knows how many Americans died in that war?

01:33:53.000 Hundreds of thousands probably.

01:33:55.000 How many people died during the Vietnam War?

01:33:57.000 How many American soldiers?

01:33:58.000 I think it's close to 100,000.

01:34:00.000 Maybe more.

01:34:03.000 And then, how many Vietnamese got killed?

01:34:06.000 Like, the overall cost of lives is catastrophic.

01:34:11.000 And they did it knowing.

01:34:13.000 Well, you know that sometimes they feel that...

01:34:15.000 58,220 US fatal casualties.

01:34:20.000 And that doesn't include how many people were wounded and fucked up for the rest of their life.

01:34:24.000 How many people died totally?

01:34:27.000 How many people died to all deaths of the Vietnam War?

01:34:31.000 What's the total deaths?

01:34:33.000 That's just American deaths. 0.71

01:34:35.000 And that ain't counting Agent Orange.

01:34:37.000 Right, right.

01:34:39.000 Casualties gets bigger because...

01:34:41.000 1.4 million civilian casualties in South Vietnam because of the war.

01:34:46.000 Casualties just means death.

01:34:48.000 Right, I understand.

01:34:48.000 Including 415,000 deaths.

01:34:50.000 An estimated by the Defense Department gave the figure of 1.2 million civilian casualties, 195,000.

01:34:56.000 So it's all controversial what the actual number was.

01:35:00.000 1978 estimated 1,353,000 total deaths in North and South Vietnam during that period.

01:35:10.000 Fuck, man.

01:35:11.000 So, if they're willing to do that, you don't think they're willing to make money off drugs?

01:35:15.000 I mean, if they're willing to let people die so that they can achieve their objectives, they're willing to sell drugs.

01:35:22.000 Well, they felt that, you know, to sacrifice a few people to stop what they felt was the greatest threat to America.

01:35:31.000 Right.

01:35:31.000 Was with Russia being on...

01:35:35.000 Our southern hemisphere, you know, being in Nicaragua.

01:35:37.000 They felt that that was the greatest threat at that time to our democracy.

01:35:42.000 And they felt that they would do anything to stop that.

01:35:45.000 What a crazy thing to do, though, to think about the sacrifices it's going to, what it's going to do to American citizens, including the people that, like you, went to jail for helping them.

01:35:56.000 The whole thing is crazy.

01:35:57.000 And they probably did it during Afghanistan too.

01:35:59.000 And we still suffering now.

01:36:00.000 That's the homeless problem. 0.99

01:36:01.000 Most of the people that's homeless was on crack.

01:36:03.000 Right.

01:36:04.000 Right.

01:36:04.000 Or something else.

01:36:05.000 Or opiates.

01:36:06.000 Or meth.

01:36:07.000 Yeah.

01:36:07.000 It's going on right now.

01:36:09.000 Yeah.

01:36:10.000 Crazy.

01:36:11.000 It's just so much wrong.

01:36:16.000 And, you know, we're just saying, I think that's a lot of the Afghanistan war, too.

01:36:21.000 There was one of the best videos out of the Afghanistan war that's so ridiculous is watching Geraldo Rivera interview soldiers that are guarding poppy fields.

01:36:31.000 They have to guard the poppy fields because if they don't, then these poppy farmers won't side with them and then they'll side with the Taliban.

01:36:40.000 So they're interviewing American soldiers who are guarding heroin being grown.

01:36:47.000 And then during the United States occupation of Afghanistan, heroin production went up, I think at the peak, like 96%.

01:36:56.000 Yeah, I heard that as well.

01:36:57.000 And it was a giant percentage of the world's supply of heroin.

01:37:01.000 And we are guarding it?

01:37:03.000 Like, what?

01:37:04.000 And it didn't become that until after we went over there.

01:37:08.000 And you don't think someone had a piece of that?

01:37:12.000 That's crazy talk.

01:37:13.000 If they did it with the Contras and the Sandinistas, you don't think they would do it with Afghanistan? 0.99

01:37:18.000 I think there's rogue elements that look at drug dealing and look at it as an opportunity to make money to fund black ops projects.

01:37:27.000 To fund things that are, you know, that don't get put on the ledger.

01:37:31.000 Nobody has to know about.

01:37:32.000 Well, I mean, and just think that if we didn't have situations like what you got here with your podcast, the people wouldn't even know about this stuff.

01:37:45.000 Right.

01:37:45.000 What would the normal person find out?

01:37:47.000 They're not going to talk about that on CNN, Nightline, Dayline, NBC. None of those people are going to talk about it.

01:37:54.000 These topics, I mean, I'd be totally baffled, Joe, with some of the stuff that takes place in this country, you know.

01:38:04.000 I've been on every major news channel in this country.

01:38:11.000 Since I've been home, I feel I have done some amazing things.

01:38:17.000 You know, I spoke at UCLA, USC, Stanford, St. John's.

01:38:26.000 Nobody covered it.

01:38:28.000 Nobody came and heard me talk to young people about how they're going to get started selling drugs, how you're going to get introduced to drugs, who's going to introduce you to drugs.

01:38:38.000 Like, most people don't even know how people get introduced to drugs.

01:38:41.000 They're thinking that it's some boogeyman that comes with a dark jacket on and...

01:38:45.000 He's hiding in the door.

01:38:46.000 Hey, little kid, you want some drugs?

01:38:49.000 And I'm like, no, that's not how it's going to happen.

01:38:52.000 It's going to be your best friend.

01:38:54.000 It's going to be your uncle, your father, your mother, your brother, your sister.

01:39:00.000 Those are the ones that you trust.

01:39:02.000 Those are the ones that can get your confidence to make you accept something that, you know, some strange guy come around, you know, most girls going to take off, you know. 0.53

01:39:12.000 But your friends, the people that you care about, that you trust, you're going to believe in them.

01:39:17.000 And they cover none of this.

01:39:20.000 Nobody covers this.

01:39:22.000 Nobody talks about this.

01:39:23.000 Nobody talks about good things that go on in the community.

01:39:28.000 You know, feeding the homeless, people who are trying to do housing, like your guy who you just showed me.

01:39:34.000 I never heard of this guy.

01:39:36.000 Right.

01:39:36.000 You know, why is he not being talked about?

01:39:39.000 Why is he not on the news?

01:39:41.000 You know, why they're not trying to get funding for him?

01:39:44.000 You know, why they're not saying, man, if this guy had a couple hundred million dollars or, you know, I mean, in California, taxpayers agreed to give up extra taxes.

01:39:55.000 I think they raised like a billion and some change for the homeless problem.

01:39:59.000 Where did the money go?

01:40:01.000 Where's that money?

01:40:02.000 Bureaucracy.

01:40:03.000 That's where it went to.

01:40:05.000 It went to a bunch of people's salaries.

01:40:06.000 It didn't fix shit.

01:40:08.000 And that's the problem that I have with our major news people.

01:40:13.000 It's bias.

01:40:14.000 They're not going to keep it 100. They're not going to be real.

01:40:18.000 They can't.

01:40:19.000 They're funded.

01:40:21.000 That's what's really crazy.

01:40:23.000 The news...

01:40:28.000 Probably shouldn't be allowed to be advertised.

01:40:31.000 They shouldn't be allowed to have advertisers.

01:40:33.000 Because as soon as you have advertisers, especially like pharmaceutical drug companies and big corporations, then you can't criticize those people.

01:40:41.000 Those people are the people that pay your bills.

01:40:44.000 And even if it's not written down anywhere, you're not going to go do an investigative journalism on...

01:40:52.000 Pfizer.

01:40:52.000 If brought to you by Pfizer, you're not going to do any of that shit.

01:40:56.000 There you go, right there.

01:40:57.000 You're not going to do that shit.

01:40:57.000 So you're not the news anymore.

01:40:59.000 And that answers your question about the rapper.

01:41:01.000 Yeah.

01:41:01.000 Why wouldn't they question him?

01:41:02.000 Because he's backed by big corporations.

01:41:05.000 Exactly.

01:41:05.000 And he's worth a lot of money.

01:41:06.000 He's going to keep generating money for all those people.

01:41:09.000 He still is.

01:41:10.000 How many years ago was this case?

01:41:14.000 Think about how much money he's made with that name since that case.

01:41:20.000 I can't remember.

01:41:20.000 10 years?

01:41:21.000 12 years?

01:41:23.000 Because I was still on parole when we were doing that case.

01:41:27.000 He bought Evander Holyfield's house in Atlanta.

01:41:29.000 You know that house that Evander Holyfield got?

01:41:32.000 Evander, when he was a champ, was going crazy.

01:41:34.000 And I guess he just built the craziest fucking house.

01:41:37.000 I mean, it's just this enormous, enormous house on this giant piece of land.

01:41:41.000 With 50-something bedrooms, I heard?

01:41:43.000 Something crazy.

01:41:44.000 Like, I don't know what he was doing.

01:41:45.000 I guess he just wanted the biggest, crazy...

01:41:47.000 I'm the fucking champ.

01:41:48.000 I want the biggest, craziest fucking house that's ever existed.

01:41:51.000 And he had to wind up selling it.

01:41:53.000 And then Rick Ross lives in it now.

01:41:54.000 Which is, like, nuts.

01:41:56.000 Guys running around with your name.

01:41:58.000 But that's our system.

01:41:59.000 And those are the people that are leading our people.

01:42:04.000 They're the ones that's dictating what's going to go on in society.

01:42:08.000 Man.

01:42:09.000 I mean, so much of our kids are being educated by music, by TV. Yeah.

01:42:16.000 I mean, I've actually went to a school and the kids accused me of stealing his name.

01:42:25.000 How old were the kids?

01:42:27.000 14, 15. Did you have to tell them?

01:42:30.000 Yeah, I told them.

01:42:31.000 They didn't believe me.

01:42:32.000 They didn't believe you?

01:42:32.000 No.

01:42:34.000 Wow.

01:42:35.000 Because they've been brainwashed.

01:42:37.000 Wow.

01:42:38.000 You know what they call it?

01:42:39.000 Programming.

01:42:40.000 Yeah.

01:42:40.000 Over and over and over and over again, you know?

01:42:43.000 And that's why, you know, I started my own record label.

01:42:46.000 You know, the two guys that's outside, those are the two artists that I'm working with right now, Goretti and Juicedamac.

01:42:53.000 I said, you know what?

01:42:55.000 I'm going to start my own label.

01:42:57.000 I'm going to get somebody to go against you.

01:43:00.000 You got to fight fire with fire.

01:43:02.000 So, you know, I got into it.

01:43:04.000 I'm doing so many things right now, man.

01:43:06.000 But I'm having fun, Joe.

01:43:07.000 That's good.

01:43:08.000 It's good to hear.

01:43:09.000 I'm helping people.

01:43:10.000 It's good to see you happy.

01:43:11.000 I'm helping them with their career, you know, and I enjoy helping people with their career.

01:43:15.000 That's beautiful.

01:43:17.000 So the marijuana business, did you get nervous about being involved?

01:43:24.000 Because it is still federally illegal.

01:43:26.000 Is it officially Schedule 3 now or is it scheduled to be Schedule 3?

01:43:30.000 What is the current status?

01:43:34.000 I always stayed away from it.

01:43:35.000 I got a bunch of offers to do it.

01:43:36.000 I'm like, that's a trap.

01:43:40.000 Because it's still Schedule 1. Yeah.

01:43:43.000 You know?

01:43:44.000 Like I said, that Delta 9 stuff, that's legal, I think, in every state.

01:43:49.000 Totally.

01:43:49.000 We know some states abandon it.

01:43:51.000 I think Idaho.

01:43:52.000 Weed states abandon it.

01:43:54.000 Oh, really?

01:43:55.000 Because it's taking away tax dollars.

01:43:56.000 Oh, no.

01:44:01.000 So weed states are banning Delta 9 THC? That is hilarious.

01:44:06.000 It goes against marijuana.

01:44:08.000 Oh, my God.

01:44:09.000 That's taking away marijuana sales. 1.00

01:44:11.000 Spy versus spy, dog eat dog.

01:44:13.000 Because they can't tax.

01:44:14.000 You know they can't tax CBD. Well, CBD is different.

01:44:17.000 We're talking about Delta 9 THC, but CBD should be different.

01:44:21.000 It's a derivative.

01:44:22.000 It's all part of the same...

01:44:24.000 They fall under the same category.

01:44:28.000 Really?

01:44:28.000 Yeah.

01:44:29.000 Interesting.

01:44:29.000 They're just a little different.

01:44:31.000 Well, isn't Brittany Griner... 1.00

01:44:33.000 She got arrested in Russia for CBD vape pen, right?

01:44:37.000 I think that was marijuana.

01:44:39.000 Was it marijuana?

01:44:39.000 They said it was marijuana.

01:44:40.000 Oh, okay.

01:44:41.000 So she was saying it was CBD? Yeah.

01:44:43.000 Oh, it's just a lot of CBD. Because they do have CBD vape pens that I know people like.

01:44:49.000 CBD is phenomenal for inflammation.

01:44:51.000 It's so good just for general well-being and just health and alleviating anxiety, alleviating inflammation.

01:45:00.000 CBD is phenomenal.

01:45:02.000 And there's places where that's illegal, which is just bananas.

01:45:06.000 Yeah.

01:45:07.000 And California's trying to make it illegal right now. 0.99

01:45:10.000 Because it's taking away their tax dollars.

01:45:12.000 That is so stupid.

01:45:13.000 That's so stupid.

01:45:14.000 It hurts my feelings.

01:45:15.000 Because they're selling in every smoke shop.

01:45:17.000 They're trying to make it illegal?

01:45:20.000 Yeah.

01:45:21.000 Oh my god.

01:45:22.000 That's so dumb.

01:45:23.000 That's so dumb.

01:45:25.000 That is so dumb.

01:45:26.000 But a lot of states that actually sell marijuana...

01:45:29.000 What happens next?

01:45:31.000 The process of reclassifying a substance is lengthy.

01:45:34.000 There's still more hurdles to clear.

01:45:36.000 The plan has been approved by Attorney General Merrick Garland and heads next to the DEA, which will take public comment on the proposal after a 60-day comment period.

01:45:45.000 There'll be a review by an administrative judge.

01:45:48.000 The move started with a recommendation from the Federal Health and Human Services Department, which launched to review the drug status and the urging of President Biden in 2022. This is a long-ass process.

01:45:58.000 But the DEA has not yet formed its own determination as to where marijuana should be scheduled and expects to learn more during the rulemaking process.

01:46:06.000 That's funny.

01:46:07.000 Learn more.

01:46:08.000 Come on, guys.

01:46:09.000 Come on, guys.

01:46:10.000 Yeah.

01:46:11.000 You know what it is.

01:46:12.000 With DEA, they don't want to be...

01:46:13.000 Of course.

01:46:14.000 They can keep locking people up.

01:46:15.000 Oh, we need more money.

01:46:16.000 That's what's really crazy.

01:46:17.000 It's the prison guard unions.

01:46:18.000 Prison guard unions lobby to make sure that marijuana stays illegal in certain places.

01:46:23.000 Absolutely.

01:46:23.000 They need...

01:46:25.000 They got big budgets.

01:46:26.000 Yeah, they do.

01:46:27.000 And that is something that is just wrong.

01:46:29.000 That is wrong in this world that we have private prisons and that we have people that are benefiting and profiting off of people being in jail.

01:46:38.000 Because as soon as you make a profit off of something, you're going to want to keep making that profit.

01:46:43.000 Yes.

01:46:44.000 And they want to keep you there longer.

01:46:45.000 And imagine if there was just no more lawbreakers.

01:46:49.000 Imagine if a genie cast a magic spell on the world and everybody just stopped committing crimes.

01:46:55.000 No more crimes.

01:46:56.000 And then you can't put anybody in prison.

01:47:00.000 What the fuck?

01:47:01.000 They'd be like, what about our business?

01:47:02.000 Let's make other things crimes.

01:47:04.000 How about thought crimes?

01:47:06.000 I don't like the way you looked at me.

01:47:08.000 That's a crime.

01:47:08.000 We got these big facilities we built.

01:47:10.000 Yeah.

01:47:11.000 Worth unbelievable amounts of money that generate money.

01:47:14.000 They treat human beings like a battery.

01:47:16.000 Like you're a battery that generates money.

01:47:19.000 And that's what it's like in these things.

01:47:21.000 It's bizarre that we allow that.

01:47:23.000 It's bizarre that people didn't see where that was going.

01:47:27.000 They allowed private prisons.

01:47:30.000 Well, they sow fear.

01:47:32.000 Yeah, and this country sells it better than anybody.

01:47:35.000 If you don't lock them up, they're going to come into your house and rob you and kill you.

01:47:39.000 Here's a big thing that's a hang-up for Schedule III drugs.

01:47:42.000 Okay, for example, the proposal does not specify whether state-licensed dispensaries would need to be licensed pharmacies because only a pharmacy can dispense Schedule III drugs.

01:47:52.000 Other questions surround the coordination of federal regulations related to drug approval, manufacturing, supply chain monitoring, storage, and prescribing.

01:48:00.000 So prescribing, we go back to prescribing it?

01:48:03.000 Yeah, it needs to be legal.

01:48:05.000 Like, what happens if it gets legal in all the states?

01:48:08.000 Here's the thing.

01:48:09.000 It's legal right now.

01:48:11.000 For recreational use in how many states?

01:48:13.000 I think it's 19. Is it 19 states?

01:48:16.000 So what happens if it's all 50? 0.93

01:48:20.000 And the federal government is not with us.

01:48:23.000 Here, the federal government, we believe, is a Schedule I. And they still allow it to be taxed.

01:48:29.000 Yes.

01:48:29.000 When it becomes a Schedule III, the taxes are changed, too.

01:48:32.000 Right.

01:48:33.000 They probably make less taxes.

01:48:34.000 Yeah, they make less taxes as a Schedule III. About the 24 now that allow recreational use.

01:48:40.000 24. 24. 38 have medical use.

01:48:42.000 Half of the country!

01:48:43.000 Yes.

01:48:44.000 So 38 states have medical use.

01:48:46.000 Does Texas have medical?

01:48:48.000 38. They do, but it's very low.

01:48:50.000 You gotta have AIDS. Yeah.

01:48:53.000 You gotta be on death's door.

01:48:56.000 You gotta be on death's door.

01:48:57.000 Well, give them one joint and regulate it. 1.00

01:49:01.000 But you can believe a lot of money coming out of Texas going to other places.

01:49:04.000 Yeah, it's stupid.

01:49:05.000 It's stupid.

01:49:06.000 Because they're not.

01:49:06.000 Exactly.

01:49:07.000 It should be legal.

01:49:08.000 38 medical and recreational.

01:49:12.000 Did you say 24?

01:49:14.000 So half the country.

01:49:15.000 It's like three states have no access.

01:49:19.000 It's Idaho, Nebraska, and Kansas.

01:49:22.000 So Texas has a CBD low THC program.

01:49:27.000 And then adult and medical use regulated program is all over the place now.

01:49:33.000 New Mexico, Nevada, California, Colorado, Missouri, Illinois, Minnesota, Montana, Washington, Oregon, Michigan, Ohio, Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, even fucking New York, which is like New York used to be a bad place to get weed.

01:49:51.000 If you got weed in New York, if you smoke weed outside, they'd arrest you.

01:49:55.000 You'd get caught outside, try to buy weed.

01:49:57.000 I mean, New York was sketchy.

01:49:59.000 And now I go there, and there's stores everywhere.

01:50:02.000 I'm like, this is crazy.

01:50:03.000 Vegas.

01:50:04.000 Vegas was dangerous, man.

01:50:05.000 During the 70s, when Hunter S. Thompson's day, you would get fucking thrown in jail for your life, for your whole life for having weed on you.

01:50:12.000 And now they have stores everywhere.

01:50:14.000 The biggest stores in the country.

01:50:15.000 Yeah, huge stores.

01:50:17.000 It should be that way everywhere and they should make money from taxes.

01:50:21.000 Let's not be stupid.

01:50:23.000 So what does the federal government do if now it's 24?

01:50:26.000 So it's literally half the country has legal marijuana.

01:50:30.000 What happens if it's all of the country?

01:50:33.000 The federal government is like, we're the country!

01:50:36.000 It's supposed to be the states, you assholes.

01:50:39.000 It's set up this way on purpose.

01:50:42.000 You have to give the states rights to regulate things.

01:50:47.000 The people have decided, and all those other states...

01:50:50.000 Look, man, if we had a vote, just a popular opinion vote in this country, whether marijuana should be legal, it would be legal tomorrow.

01:50:57.000 I agree.

01:50:58.000 100%.

01:50:59.000 I mean, what is the amount of people that approve?

01:51:02.000 And the amount of people that don't approve it, they're probably ignorant.

01:51:06.000 Or they're people that are like hardcore, you know, anti-everything people.

01:51:11.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:51:13.000 I think the country would be safer.

01:51:15.000 I mean, have you ever known anybody smoking marijuana to go out and commit a robbery, hit somebody over the head?

01:51:22.000 No, they're going to sit on the couch and they're going to get something to eat.

01:51:24.000 Yeah.

01:51:25.000 They're gonna be watching TV. It's not the kind of drug that encourages people to do horrible things.

01:51:29.000 If I had my way, I would give it to gangbangers for free.

01:51:32.000 Go smoke weed.

01:51:34.000 Nearly seven in ten registered voters favor legalizing the recreational use of marijuana on a national level.

01:51:40.000 Seven out of ten.

01:51:41.000 Wow.

01:51:42.000 And it's still illegal.

01:51:43.000 Is that we the people?

01:51:45.000 No.

01:51:45.000 What is that?

01:51:46.000 No.

01:51:46.000 What is that?

01:51:47.000 Is that to serve and protect?

01:51:48.000 What the fuck is going on?

01:51:50.000 What are you doing?

01:51:51.000 It's just weed, kids.

01:51:53.000 We know what it is.

01:51:54.000 You know how many people died from weed?

01:51:55.000 Zero.

01:51:56.000 Ever.

01:51:56.000 Zero ever.

01:51:58.000 Zero ever.

01:51:59.000 The only way you die from weed is if a CIA drug plane throws a bail out the window of a plane and it hits you in the head.

01:52:06.000 That's how you die from weed.

01:52:07.000 Or they raid your house and shoot you?

01:52:08.000 Yeah, or get a no-knock raid.

01:52:12.000 No-knock raids are crazy.

01:52:14.000 That is crazy.

01:52:15.000 Just bust into someone's house and if someone breaks into your house, what do you do?

01:52:20.000 You shoot them.

01:52:20.000 That's what most people do.

01:52:22.000 And then the cops shoot you.

01:52:23.000 It's like...

01:52:23.000 The whole thing is crazy.

01:52:25.000 For weed.

01:52:26.000 Why would you be raiding somebody's house for weed?

01:52:28.000 For weed.

01:52:29.000 For weed.

01:52:30.000 I mean, we're going to look back in the future on this.

01:52:34.000 Like, they look at the Inquisition.

01:52:36.000 We're going to go, what the fuck was wrong with people back then?

01:52:39.000 They're going to look at us like, how many people went to jail?

01:52:41.000 How many people's lives got ruined over marijuana?

01:52:43.000 Are we kidding?

01:52:45.000 How much money did they blow? 0.81

01:52:46.000 Exactly.

01:52:47.000 Talking about they have a homeless population that don't have a place to stay.

01:52:52.000 Yeah.

01:52:53.000 And people not having anything to eat.

01:52:55.000 Yeah, it's going to be crazy.

01:52:57.000 Yeah, you can tax it, folks.

01:53:00.000 Legalize it and tax it.

01:53:01.000 Even if you don't want to do it yourself, you don't have to do it yourself.

01:53:03.000 I know a lot of people that hate weed.

01:53:05.000 Good.

01:53:05.000 Don't use it.

01:53:06.000 You don't have to.

01:53:07.000 I get it.

01:53:09.000 And don't sell it.

01:53:10.000 Don't sell it.

01:53:10.000 But you know what's so funny?

01:53:11.000 The people who used to lock everybody up, now they selling it.

01:53:14.000 A lot of them do.

01:53:15.000 Yeah, I know cops that sell weed now. 1.00

01:53:16.000 Well, the biggest weed dealer probably in America was an ex-cop.

01:53:24.000 He's the biggest guy.

01:53:25.000 He just bought five million dollars, I mean five million acres, no, five million square feet of grow area.

01:53:35.000 That's so bananas.

01:53:36.000 How crazy is that?

01:53:37.000 He's the biggest guy probably in the country.

01:53:39.000 Well, good for him.

01:53:41.000 But that should be- They used to lock people up.

01:53:44.000 So nuts.

01:53:45.000 So nuts.

01:53:46.000 I mean, those should be the guys that say, oh, you used to lock people up for marijuana, you cannot get into business.

01:53:51.000 Yeah.

01:53:54.000 If I had my way, that's why I would say, hey, did you lock somebody up?

01:53:58.000 Yeah.

01:53:58.000 Okay, you can't get in.

01:54:00.000 Or we take the amount of time that you locked all those people up for, and then you have to wait that amount of time before you can sell weed.

01:54:10.000 So you can sell weed in three more lives.

01:54:14.000 Probably wouldn't even be that.

01:54:15.000 Probably like a hundred lives.

01:54:16.000 Yeah, this country's crazy, man.

01:54:18.000 Wow, people are crazy.

01:54:20.000 People are crazy everywhere, you know?

01:54:23.000 It's like, it's hard to keep your shit together.

01:54:25.000 You know?

01:54:26.000 And we give people power over other people.

01:54:29.000 People that don't have their shit together have power over other people.

01:54:32.000 And then things just get worse.

01:54:34.000 Yeah.

01:54:36.000 It's weird.

01:54:37.000 It's weird we don't learn.

01:54:38.000 You know, a friend of mine sent me the lyrics to the song, I'd Love to Change the World, which is like 70, 71 or something like that.

01:54:48.000 And he's like, isn't it crazy that there's like a cycle?

01:54:51.000 Because the same shit they're talking about then is going on now.

01:54:55.000 And then I sent him this Assyrian tablet from 2800 B.C., That talked about the same thing.

01:55:01.000 We talked about it the other day on the podcast.

01:55:03.000 This is a Syrian tablet to talk about the end of the world. 0.60

01:55:06.000 That children aren't listening to their parents and people are lying and the world's falling apart.

01:55:12.000 In 2800 BC. Wow.

01:55:15.000 So it's like this cycle of people being stupid and just not getting the shit together has been going on forever.

01:55:24.000 But there's never been more information than ever before.

01:55:27.000 Like, the access to information that people have right now is unprecedented.

01:55:31.000 Oh, yeah.

01:55:31.000 The fact that we continue to make the same stupid mistakes, regardless of that, is just really insane.

01:55:37.000 That's what's really disheartening.

01:55:39.000 But you know what?

01:55:41.000 The way I see it, it doesn't matter if you're smart.

01:55:44.000 It's who got the loudest horn.

01:55:46.000 If your horn toots the loudest, everybody hears you.

01:55:49.000 And if the message gets out first...

01:55:52.000 If the loud toot horn message gets out first, it takes forever for the truth to overcome that.

01:55:58.000 To get in.

01:55:59.000 Yeah, forever.

01:56:00.000 There's also people don't, once they accept something in their head, it takes forever.

01:56:05.000 Yeah, it becomes theirs. 0.89

01:56:06.000 They own it.

01:56:07.000 Yeah, they own it.

01:56:08.000 This is mine.

01:56:09.000 They don't want to change it.

01:56:10.000 Something has to happen to them, but they change it.

01:56:12.000 Yeah.

01:56:13.000 No, I agree.

01:56:14.000 I agree.

01:56:15.000 I say that all the time.

01:56:16.000 You talk to people and you be like, man, that didn't work.

01:56:19.000 Oh, no, it worked.

01:56:20.000 It worked.

01:56:21.000 I just did it wrong that time.

01:56:25.000 Let's keep trying to lock people up.

01:56:27.000 We're going to fix it.

01:56:27.000 We're going to fix it through locking people up.

01:56:29.000 Yeah, we're going to get it right.

01:56:31.000 We just got to lock up more people, build more jails.

01:56:34.000 Yeah.

01:56:35.000 Hire more police.

01:56:36.000 Yeah.

01:56:37.000 It's just disheartening when you see the same patterns repeated over and over again, regardless of how much people know.

01:56:46.000 I think there's also a problem with, you know, we think people know, but I think a lot of people don't know what the fuck is going on.

01:56:52.000 A lot of people don't really have an understanding.

01:56:54.000 Where they gonna get the information.

01:56:55.000 Right, exactly.

01:56:56.000 Who they get it from.

01:56:56.000 Right.

01:56:57.000 We already went through CNN, Fox, the local radio station, you know, especially if you're talking about hip hop.

01:57:09.000 I mean, if you turn on hip hop radio stations, I would not let my kids listen to a hip hop radio station.

01:57:17.000 Because they're going to be talking about killing, pimping, selling drugs, killing.

01:57:23.000 I mean, you'd be like, what the fuck?

01:57:27.000 They let this stuff play on the air?

01:57:28.000 I mean, it's crazy.

01:57:30.000 It is crazy.

01:57:31.000 And then they wonder why the kids...

01:57:34.000 Bring guns to school.

01:57:35.000 But did you also see there's been these articles written about the CIA's involvement in the creation of gangster rap?

01:57:43.000 That they helped promote and push gangster rap?

01:57:47.000 I didn't see that.

01:57:48.000 Yeah, all of it's controversial, but I wouldn't be surprised.

01:57:52.000 Apparently they had a...

01:57:54.000 They had some sort of an involvement in the rock and roll movement of the 1960s in Laurel Canyon.

01:58:00.000 And there's been books written about this.

01:58:03.000 That they have some sort of involvement in promoting these kind of activities, both with rock and roll in the 60s and then gangster rap in the 80s.

01:58:14.000 And they do it to try...

01:58:17.000 I think the idea is they do it to try to make sure that society is always in a state of unrest.

01:58:24.000 And that they wanted to keep people in a state of unrest and promote criminal behavior and criminal activity and gang activity and to do it in popular music and that that would make more crime and make more things happen and that they can get away with more levers of control because of that.

01:58:44.000 Makes sense.

01:58:45.000 Makes sense.

01:58:45.000 You've seen that before, right, Jamie?

01:58:47.000 Yeah, it comes from this, though.

01:58:50.000 Is it bullshit?

01:58:50.000 Well, it's not that it's bullshit.

01:58:51.000 It's like an ominous letter that went around the internet.

01:58:54.000 The secret meeting that changed rap music and destroyed a generation.

01:58:58.000 So it got printed on like a hip-hop blog, and then it kind of went viral from there.

01:59:02.000 Oh yeah, I remember that letter.

01:59:03.000 It talked about the big meeting where all the record labels got together because they knew they weren't selling music anymore, so they invested in prisons.

01:59:14.000 But that doesn't say, no one knows who wrote it.

01:59:16.000 No one's ever claimed that was me.

01:59:18.000 That's it?

01:59:19.000 That's the only source of it?

01:59:20.000 There wasn't other sources?

01:59:21.000 And then it went viral and everyone, some people that liked it, repeated it, and others, you know, I don't know.

01:59:28.000 It seems to be the source of it.

01:59:30.000 I thought there was some other things.

01:59:32.000 I thought there was other discussions about different meetings that took place.

01:59:37.000 Nothing official.

01:59:38.000 I wouldn't be surprised though.

01:59:40.000 I mean, it makes sense, you know?

01:59:42.000 Yeah.

01:59:42.000 If you listen to what they're promoting now, you know, they don't promote no positive music.

01:59:50.000 Right.

01:59:50.000 No love songs.

01:59:52.000 You know, when we was coming up, it was by love songs.

01:59:55.000 Right.

01:59:55.000 Marvin Gaye.

01:59:56.000 Yes.

01:59:57.000 Yes.

01:59:57.000 Yeah, Luther Randros.

01:59:59.000 Yeah, it's weird that...

02:00:03.000 That would be a strategy that would work if you wanted civil unrest.

02:00:06.000 If you wanted people to stay fucked up, you wanted people to not organize, not rise up, what's the best strategy?

02:00:12.000 Promote illegal activity.

02:00:14.000 Promote it.

02:00:14.000 Promote drug dealings.

02:00:16.000 Make it look good.

02:00:17.000 Make it look good.

02:00:18.000 Dress them up.

02:00:19.000 Give me Ben to Holyfield's house.

02:00:23.000 Even if you used to be a correctional officer.

02:00:25.000 Yeah.

02:00:25.000 And now you're a gangster.

02:00:27.000 Yeah.

02:00:28.000 Tell them you sold 300 kilos.

02:00:29.000 Oh, how'd you get this house?

02:00:31.000 Oh, I sold 300 kilos.

02:00:32.000 How many people do you think actually know the story, the whole story, the real story, your story of you and this guy who calls himself Rick Ross?

02:00:40.000 I think older people know, but younger people don't.

02:00:44.000 They don't get it.

02:00:45.000 Wow.

02:00:46.000 They...

02:00:49.000 They're not educated on facts.

02:00:51.000 They don't go with facts.

02:00:52.000 They go with what they hear on the radio, what their local DJ talks about.

02:00:56.000 Those are the things that they go with.

02:00:58.000 And we already know that the local DJ is getting paid by the record companies.

02:01:02.000 So that's what they believe.

02:01:06.000 I believe that they really believe that...

02:01:10.000 Jay-Z got rich selling drugs.

02:01:12.000 They believe that.

02:01:13.000 I don't believe Jay-Z got rich selling drugs.

02:01:16.000 He doesn't act like a drug dealer, in my personal opinion.

02:01:19.000 What's the difference, the way he acts?

02:01:23.000 Well, drug dealers are kind of like...

02:01:27.000 We're looking for somebody...

02:01:31.000 To help come up.

02:01:32.000 Because when you help him come up, you come up.

02:01:35.000 Say, for instance, if I find a guy, he's down on his luck, and I give him a kilo, he starts to sell his kilo, I benefit every time he sells that kilo because I get a percentage of what he does.

02:01:46.000 But the way...

02:01:49.000 The record business works is they don't help anybody.

02:01:53.000 You know, when they get on top, they just stay there and it's almost like they're gatekeepers.

02:01:59.000 You know, they don't want other people to get in.

02:02:04.000 Me, I would have been looking for somebody like me getting out of jail.

02:02:06.000 Oh, Rick Ross is getting out of jail?

02:02:08.000 Oh my goodness, I'm going to be at the gate when he get out.

02:02:11.000 I'm going to show him everything he's supposed to do, get him right, because I know he has the discipline.

02:02:17.000 He has the focus that he's going to make it.

02:02:21.000 Yeah, but don't you think that that's just you?

02:02:23.000 I think you have a unique perspective.

02:02:25.000 But that's a drug dealer's perspective.

02:02:27.000 Is it really?

02:02:28.000 A successful drug dealer's perspective.

02:02:30.000 A successful drug dealer's perspective.

02:02:32.000 Let me correct that.

02:02:33.000 And most of the drug dealers I was around was successful.

02:02:38.000 Because I used to try to teach them.

02:02:40.000 I taught them what But I did.

02:02:41.000 You know, when they was young, I was, hey, this is what you do.

02:02:44.000 This is how you do it.

02:02:45.000 This is who you look for.

02:02:46.000 And so you're highly right, a successful drug dealer's perspective.

02:02:50.000 And most successful drug dealers go to prison.

02:02:55.000 And so we know Jay-Z didn't go to prison, even though he was in a car with, I think, Calvin Klein when he got arrested.

02:03:04.000 DA let Jay-Z go.

02:03:08.000 That's the story that I heard.

02:03:10.000 I'm not totally sure.

02:03:12.000 He was in a car with Calvin Klein?

02:03:14.000 Were they talking about jeans?

02:03:15.000 What were they doing?

02:03:16.000 There's a guy named Calvin Klein.

02:03:17.000 Different guy?

02:03:18.000 From New York.

02:03:19.000 Oh! 0.60

02:03:20.000 Was Calvin Klein a drug dealer?

02:03:22.000 He was a drug dealer.

02:03:23.000 Oh, okay.

02:03:24.000 I didn't know that.

02:03:25.000 Yeah, he was a drug dealer from New York.

02:03:25.000 I thought you mean like...

02:03:27.000 The jeans.

02:03:27.000 He thought the jeans guy.

02:03:29.000 No, no, no.

02:03:29.000 This was a drug dealer out of New York.

02:03:31.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

02:03:33.000 And he got arrested.

02:03:33.000 So he took Calvin Klein's name.

02:03:36.000 Like Rick Ross took your name?

02:03:38.000 His name was really Calvin Klein.

02:03:40.000 That's possible.

02:03:41.000 No, I think the guy's real name was Calvin Klein.

02:03:44.000 Really?

02:03:44.000 Oh, that's his real name.

02:03:45.000 I think that was really his name.

02:03:47.000 Because he was a real street guy.

02:03:49.000 Went to prison in the whole nine yards.

02:03:51.000 But it's a story that talks about that.

02:03:54.000 How Jay-Z was in the car with him when he got arrested.

02:03:57.000 And, you know...

02:03:59.000 He didn't get arrested.

02:04:00.000 So more than likely that meant that...

02:04:02.000 In my experience, if you're in a car with a drug dealer and the cops raid, they take everybody that was involved.

02:04:09.000 So that tells me that Jay-Z wasn't involved with that activity.

02:04:14.000 Got it.

02:04:15.000 At least at that time.

02:04:16.000 That they knew.

02:04:18.000 Right.

02:04:18.000 And usually the DA, they watch you.

02:04:20.000 Some of them, when they're not lazy.

02:04:22.000 But what is it like in the world?

02:04:24.000 If you rap about selling drugs...

02:04:27.000 And about how you were selling drugs, but you weren't selling drugs?

02:04:31.000 That can't be looked upon well.

02:04:35.000 If you're lying and you're making up a fake persona...

02:04:38.000 It shouldn't be.

02:04:39.000 Right.

02:04:40.000 It shouldn't be.

02:04:41.000 Back in the 90s when rap was supposed to have been authentic, people wrote their own lyrics and that stuff, it was a little different.

02:04:51.000 Than the way it is right now.

02:04:53.000 Now, people can write your lyrics, you can steal people's names, you can steal their verses.

02:05:01.000 It's just totally different than the way it used to be.

02:05:06.000 You can buy your way to the top now.

02:05:08.000 You don't have to have talent necessarily.

02:05:10.000 The most talented guys are not the guys who are running the industry.

02:05:15.000 A lot of the talented guys are producers too, right?

02:05:18.000 They can kind of make anybody famous.

02:05:20.000 If you have some talent and a look And you go pay the right producer.

02:05:25.000 There's a lot of examples.

02:05:26.000 Music is programming.

02:05:29.000 You hear the sound and you like that sound.

02:05:31.000 And that's why we hear the same sounds over and over on the radio because it's the same producers that are producing music.

02:05:38.000 I'm just waiting to get my money right so I can go to the producers and be like, hey, I know you've been putting all these guys on.

02:05:45.000 I got a guy for you.

02:05:47.000 Put him on.

02:05:47.000 We ready.

02:05:48.000 How much you need?

02:05:49.000 A hundred thousand?

02:05:50.000 Do it.

02:05:51.000 Because that's really what it is.

02:05:52.000 You know, it's only a few guys who music you hear on the radio over and over again.

02:05:56.000 Wow.

02:05:57.000 But then you have people who just stand out just because of talent still.

02:06:02.000 You still have that.

02:06:03.000 Once in a while.

02:06:05.000 You know, one breakthrough.

02:06:06.000 You know, you get somebody that's like super, super good and, you know, their music just break through.

02:06:12.000 But that's rare.

02:06:13.000 They still got to have some money.

02:06:15.000 You gotta pay Facebook and TikTok.

02:06:19.000 Gatekeepers.

02:06:22.000 It's an industry, right?

02:06:23.000 There's a lot of money involved.

02:06:25.000 As soon as there's a lot of money involved, there's control.

02:06:27.000 People want to maintain control of that.

02:06:29.000 They don't want someone coming along.

02:06:31.000 Yeah, I mean, I look at my case, right?

02:06:34.000 If you go on the internet, I got millions and millions of views where I've done interviews with different people and talked to different people.

02:06:43.000 But then you go on my Instagram, I got 300,000 followers.

02:06:47.000 Instagram is weird, man.

02:06:49.000 I walk through the airport, right?

02:06:51.000 I can hardly walk through the airport.

02:06:52.000 People, oh Rick, can I get a picture?

02:06:55.000 And then my friends be like, man, all the people looking at you, they want to talk to you, but you know, so when I experienced that, I understand that they haven't let me...

02:07:08.000 Yeah, but I think there's...

02:07:10.000 I think social media companies, other than Twitter, X now, I think they all have different ways of limiting growth, just different things.

02:07:22.000 Like my friend Coleon Noir, he has an Instagram page that's dedicated to...

02:07:28.000 Second Amendment.

02:07:29.000 He was a lawyer, and he does a lot of Second Amendment stuff, a lot of talking about guns and gun laws and different things.

02:07:38.000 He's been stuck at one million followers forever.

02:07:41.000 He's been on this podcast, like, how many times?

02:07:43.000 How many times has Coleon been on it?

02:07:44.000 Five?

02:07:44.000 Six?

02:07:46.000 Five or six times?

02:07:47.000 Great guy.

02:07:48.000 Interesting.

02:07:50.000 Really fun to talk to.

02:07:52.000 Smart as fuck.

02:07:53.000 Like, you would think his shit would grow.

02:07:58.000 Stuck.

02:07:59.000 Stuck at one million.

02:08:00.000 Just stuck.

02:08:00.000 Like, locked up.

02:08:02.000 Yeah.

02:08:02.000 Like, what's going on there?

02:08:04.000 How is that even possible?

02:08:06.000 It's only possible if someone's limiting the growth.

02:08:09.000 Absolutely.

02:08:09.000 There's no other way.

02:08:10.000 If you come on this podcast and 11 million people or 15 million people, whatever the fuck it is, see you, What is the odds that you stay at one million?

02:08:19.000 It's almost zero.

02:08:20.000 I agree.

02:08:21.000 It's almost zero, especially if it's an interesting episode.

02:08:23.000 He's always interesting.

02:08:24.000 He's a smart dude.

02:08:25.000 Why would people not follow him?

02:08:28.000 Of course they would.

02:08:29.000 They'd have to find him.

02:08:30.000 It's hard to find people.

02:08:31.000 They make it difficult on some social media platforms to find people.

02:08:35.000 They make their posts limited so only the followers can see it.

02:08:38.000 Other people can't see it.

02:08:39.000 Yeah.

02:08:40.000 It's just this weird thing that they do.

02:08:42.000 And if you're a guy that at least at one point in your life was involved in illegal activities, they'd probably just shove you into a box.

02:08:50.000 They'd shove you into a category.

02:08:51.000 They have you in some sort of an algorithm.

02:08:53.000 It's just like...

02:08:55.000 Like every now and then someone finds you.

02:08:58.000 But it's not easy.

02:09:00.000 We'll see.

02:09:01.000 We'll see what happens.

02:09:02.000 We'll see what Instagram does after.

02:09:04.000 What are you at now?

02:09:05.000 Okay, let's check right now.

02:09:06.000 I'm going to check your page right now.

02:09:07.000 300 and something.

02:09:08.000 Let's check right now.

02:09:09.000 So you are right now.

02:09:12.000 You are at...

02:09:13.000 Let's get down to here.

02:09:18.000 What is it, Jamie?

02:09:21.000 Yeah.

02:09:22.000 Something like that.

02:09:23.000 Here you are.

02:09:24.000 We just went back and forth with each other, so I'll check right now.

02:09:28.000 Profile.

02:09:29.000 Yeah.

02:09:31.000 392. So you're at 392,000.

02:09:33.000 Let's see what happens.

02:09:34.000 Yeah.

02:09:35.000 Let's see what happens, Instagram.

02:09:36.000 Stop fucking around.

02:09:38.000 I think they fuck around with me, too.

02:09:39.000 Which sounds crazy, because I have 19 million.

02:09:42.000 But I'm like, how come I only have 19 months?

02:09:44.000 Everybody in America knows you.

02:09:46.000 What the fuck's going on?

02:09:47.000 Everybody in America knows you.

02:09:48.000 I mean, we did that show, what, almost 10 years ago?

02:09:52.000 Yeah.

02:09:53.000 People still coming to me in the airport.

02:09:55.000 Man, I know you're Joe Rogan.

02:09:56.000 Huh?

02:09:57.000 Did you tell Joe?

02:10:01.000 I said, don't tell me, tell Joe.

02:10:04.000 I'm talking about still to this day, people walk up to me and tell me that they loved our episode.

02:10:10.000 And that's a long time ago.

02:10:12.000 So there's probably been 1,600 different episodes since then or more?

02:10:18.000 Probably more than that.

02:10:18.000 And I remember we was like 60 or 80 or something like that.

02:10:21.000 Something crazy like that.

02:10:23.000 The early days.

02:10:24.000 You were in the early days when I was just starting to interview people.

02:10:28.000 I was just starting to have interesting people on the podcast.

02:10:30.000 I never heard of a podcast.

02:10:31.000 A lot of people who came on back then didn't.

02:10:33.000 I didn't know what a podcast was.

02:10:35.000 You know what?

02:10:35.000 I told my guys today when we were sitting out there.

02:10:37.000 I said, had I recognized what a podcast was and started a podcast, I would have been the first black guy probably with a podcast.

02:10:46.000 Back then, you might have been.

02:10:49.000 So, what year?

02:10:50.000 So, this is like 2000...

02:10:53.000 May 4th, 2013. 2013, 11 years.

02:10:58.000 So, 208. 11 years.

02:10:59.000 Episode 208. 2000 episodes since then.

02:11:03.000 2000!

02:11:04.000 Is that the first one or the second one?

02:11:05.000 I think that's the first one.

02:11:06.000 The second one is 262. Wow.

02:11:09.000 That's crazy.

02:11:11.000 That's crazy.

02:11:12.000 And they still remember that.

02:11:14.000 Well, you should do your own now.

02:11:17.000 I'll be so busy, Joe.

02:11:18.000 Listen to me.

02:11:19.000 Stop right there.

02:11:20.000 I told you to do a t-shirt, do a podcast.

02:11:22.000 It's easy.

02:11:24.000 It's not hard to do, man.

02:11:26.000 It's easy.

02:11:27.000 It'll promote your business.

02:11:28.000 Now you just called me on now.

02:11:30.000 Listen, it's an easy thing.

02:11:31.000 It doesn't cost much money, man.

02:11:33.000 It's real economical.

02:11:34.000 You upload to YouTube, it's free.

02:11:37.000 YouTube's free.

02:11:38.000 You get one of those platforms that supports podcasting and They do things and they help you get ads.

02:11:46.000 Not that hard, man.

02:11:48.000 And I bet right away, especially after this episode, you'll get a big audience.

02:11:54.000 I'm working on some stuff.

02:11:56.000 And before you know it, you have 20 episodes, 30 episodes.

02:12:00.000 You get better at it.

02:12:01.000 People like it.

02:12:01.000 And you can talk about all kinds of things.

02:12:03.000 You can interview different people.

02:12:05.000 You can have conversations with friends.

02:12:07.000 And then you develop a following.

02:12:09.000 And the next thing you know, it helps your business.

02:12:11.000 It helps with the other things you do.

02:12:12.000 It helps speaking engagements.

02:12:14.000 All these other different things.

02:12:16.000 Yeah.

02:12:17.000 They've been telling me to do it.

02:12:19.000 Yeah.

02:12:19.000 And I've been like, oh no, you late.

02:12:21.000 You waited too late.

02:12:22.000 You could have a podcast that's called The Real Rick Ross Is Not A Rapper.

02:12:29.000 That's a great name for a podcast.

02:12:32.000 That's a great name for a podcast.

02:12:33.000 Hey, I thought that was an awful name for a t-shirt.

02:12:40.000 I think that's a great name for a podcast.

02:12:44.000 It'll peak people's interest right away.

02:12:46.000 They're like, what?

02:12:47.000 The real Rick Ross is not a rapper?

02:12:49.000 What?

02:12:49.000 What kind of fucking podcast is this?

02:12:52.000 And then people hear your story and they're like, oh my god, I didn't even know.

02:12:56.000 This is crazy.

02:12:58.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:12:59.000 I might take your advice on that one.

02:13:01.000 It's a great idea.

02:13:01.000 I took your advice last time and I benefited.

02:13:03.000 I'm telling you, it's a great idea.

02:13:06.000 Hey, crazily, you know, like right now this t-shirt still brings in revenue.

02:13:11.000 That's beautiful.

02:13:12.000 Well, we'll bring in a lot more after this one.

02:13:14.000 But it just makes sense.

02:13:17.000 I mean, it's just another method to get your word out there.

02:13:20.000 And we need platforms.

02:13:23.000 Yes.

02:13:23.000 Because some of the people with the platforms don't use them to benefit the people.

02:13:28.000 Well, also, we need platforms from a person like yourself that has gone through this arc of life, this interesting arc of life, that finds yourself a completely different person now than who you were when you were 28 years old selling drugs.

02:13:40.000 It's just a different...

02:13:41.000 I was 19 when I started.

02:13:43.000 When I was 28, I was an addict.

02:13:45.000 I was stuck when I was 28. It's different.

02:13:49.000 When you go seven, eight years selling drugs, you don't even know anymore.

02:13:55.000 You're like out your mind.

02:13:56.000 You're crazy.

02:13:57.000 You're just in the business.

02:13:58.000 Yeah, you're just in the business.

02:13:59.000 Well, especially if your business is making $3 million a day.

02:14:02.000 That is just so crazy.

02:14:05.000 So crazy.

02:14:06.000 How much money do you think you earned over the entire course of selling drugs?

02:14:12.000 Well, you figure, just my two best years, so you say 360 days in a year, just those two years was like, what, 600 million, something like that?

02:14:26.000 Not profit, though.

02:14:27.000 Not profit.

02:14:28.000 Right.

02:14:28.000 That's not profit.

02:14:29.000 Of course.

02:14:29.000 But just the amount of money you make.

02:14:31.000 Profit.

02:14:31.000 I make, every million, I probably make 200 to 300,000 profit off of every million.

02:14:35.000 I was able to take that much out.

02:14:38.000 So...

02:14:39.000 That is an insane amount.

02:14:40.000 And then that's not counting the other six years because I sold like eight years.

02:14:44.000 I did like eight, maybe nine years in the drug business.

02:14:47.000 And so, you know, before I was making a million dollars a day, I was making $500,000 a day.

02:14:53.000 Right.

02:14:53.000 And before I was making $500,000, I was making $400,000, $300,000, $200,000.

02:14:57.000 Right.

02:14:58.000 And, you know, one time $10,000 a day, you know.

02:15:01.000 So it just...

02:15:03.000 But all those numbers add up.

02:15:05.000 You're talking about 100,000 a day ain't bad numbers.

02:15:08.000 A couple million dollars a month.

02:15:11.000 So I made quite a bit of money.

02:15:14.000 I mean, it went through my hands.

02:15:16.000 Not that I made, but money that went through my hands that I touched.

02:15:20.000 It's crazy.

02:15:21.000 With some crazy numbers.

02:15:22.000 We'll probably be in the billions.

02:15:27.000 Yeah, probably would be in the billions.

02:15:29.000 That life and that experience that you've had is very unique.

02:15:33.000 There's not a whole lot of human beings that are out there wandering around that can say that.

02:15:38.000 So that perspective that you have would be very valuable for people, just to hear what you did and what you went through in your life.

02:15:46.000 It's a very unique story, man, and it's an American story.

02:15:51.000 It is.

02:15:51.000 It really is.

02:15:53.000 It is an American story.

02:15:54.000 And I thought that America should know about it.

02:15:57.000 That's why I wrote the book.

02:15:59.000 And you know, when I wrote that book, I didn't know if I was ever getting out of prison.

02:16:02.000 Wow.

02:16:03.000 That was like my letter to the world.

02:16:05.000 You know, like, this is how it happened.

02:16:08.000 You know, so that you don't...

02:16:09.000 You don't form your own personal opinion without getting to know the person.

02:16:16.000 Right.

02:16:16.000 Because so many people, we form opinions about...

02:16:20.000 I didn't really like the way the government characterized us drug dealers.

02:16:27.000 You know, like we was raving maniacs.

02:16:30.000 When I got arrested, I was a danger to the community.

02:16:33.000 That's how they denied me bond.

02:16:35.000 Oh, he's a danger to the community.

02:16:36.000 Like, I'm going to take a gun and go to McDonald's and just go to killing people.

02:16:40.000 Right.

02:16:41.000 No, it don't work like that.

02:16:42.000 That's not...

02:16:44.000 Who I was.

02:16:45.000 I had absolutely no violence in my case.

02:16:49.000 Which is pretty incredible.

02:16:51.000 I could have been violent.

02:16:52.000 I had guns, but I never used them.

02:16:56.000 So why am I considered a danger to the community?

02:17:02.000 So they consider drugs a danger.

02:17:04.000 And even when we went to jail, I was a black box.

02:17:08.000 You know, they put a black box on you.

02:17:10.000 They put handcuffs on you, and then they got this little black box that they slide over the handcuffs so that your hands are, like, stiff, and then they cuff you to your waist, and you can't even use the bathroom.

02:17:21.000 You know, like, it's crazy.

02:17:24.000 And then when you go to prison, you go to the worst part of the prison because they classify you with the guys who do murders and the bombers, and so now they got drug dealers who...

02:17:36.000 I consider myself almost like a white-collar crime.

02:17:40.000 Businessman.

02:17:41.000 A businessman.

02:17:42.000 I wasn't looking to hurt nobody, but we were still classified like that.

02:17:47.000 So I wanted to show people The mentality that I had.

02:17:55.000 Yeah, I did get crazy with drugs.

02:17:59.000 I wanted to sell all the drugs I could sell.

02:18:01.000 My mission in life became sell as much drugs as you can.

02:18:06.000 It wasn't about making money anymore.

02:18:09.000 Become the biggest drug dealer that you can become.

02:18:11.000 Be great.

02:18:16.000 That's how I felt.

02:18:17.000 Be great at it.

02:18:20.000 Fuck how much money you're making.

02:18:21.000 You're not going to spend all the money you got.

02:18:24.000 You don't even spend the money you make now.

02:18:27.000 But just be great at what you do.

02:18:29.000 So it wasn't about money anymore.

02:18:30.000 It just became, you know, I'm going to be great at it.

02:18:34.000 Isn't that crazy that that mentality, you can apply to almost any industry.

02:18:39.000 Just unfortunately you applied it to the wrong one.

02:18:42.000 Yeah.

02:18:43.000 Yeah, and you know, and somebody asked me before, do I have any regret?

02:18:51.000 That would probably, if I had a regret, that would be the regret, that I didn't take those skills.

02:18:58.000 But I learned so much from selling drugs.

02:19:03.000 Those fucking guys taught me, man.

02:19:06.000 They taught me what the teachers couldn't teach me.

02:19:09.000 Because they had a different passion to teach me.

02:19:12.000 They wanted me to be, motherfucker, get smart so you can get my drugs cheap and good.

02:19:17.000 We need you to be smart.

02:19:19.000 We don't want no dummy.

02:19:20.000 We don't want to be getting our drugs from no dummy.

02:19:23.000 So you get smart.

02:19:24.000 So you can make sure that when we come get our drugs, we're going to be safe.

02:19:27.000 We're going to get the best drugs.

02:19:30.000 The price is going to be right.

02:19:33.000 We like what you do.

02:19:35.000 So we're teaching you.

02:19:36.000 And they taught me.

02:19:38.000 I mean, if somebody would have told me about a gram, a gram.

02:19:41.000 What the hell is a gram?

02:19:43.000 What is a tenth of a gram?

02:19:45.000 What is an eighth of a...

02:19:46.000 You know, what is an eighth?

02:19:47.000 What is a quarter ounce?

02:19:48.000 What is an ounce?

02:19:50.000 I didn't know none of that shit.

02:19:52.000 I failed science in school because I couldn't read.

02:19:57.000 Huh?

02:19:57.000 I never went to science.

02:19:58.000 They put me in special ed.

02:20:01.000 Wow.

02:20:01.000 I sit in the classroom and make...

02:20:05.000 Paper airplanes, you know what I'm saying?

02:20:06.000 I'm throwing paper airplanes around the classroom.

02:20:09.000 You know nothing about no science, but when I started, got in the drug business, they taught me.

02:20:13.000 They showed me what a gram was, and they showed me how to work a triple beam.

02:20:17.000 I didn't know none of that shit.

02:20:18.000 They showed me what a money counter was.

02:20:20.000 They taught me how to work a money counter.

02:20:22.000 I didn't know none of that shit, Joe.

02:20:24.000 I was green.

02:20:26.000 Man, we missed one of the greatest fucking interviews, man.

02:20:31.000 The guy I bought my first ounce from, he was paralyzed when I got out of prison.

02:20:35.000 And we were shooting a documentary.

02:20:38.000 And I go to his house, you know, when I found him.

02:20:42.000 I found him.

02:20:43.000 I went and found him because, you know, he was like my partner.

02:20:48.000 You know, I loved him.

02:20:49.000 I knew he was paralyzed, too.

02:20:50.000 When I went to prison, he was already paralyzed.

02:20:53.000 But when I got out, he was like on his last leg.

02:20:56.000 And I almost got him to talk, man, on camera.

02:20:59.000 He talked off camera and he told...

02:21:03.000 He told us, and what I should have did, I should have promised him, man, do the interview.

02:21:08.000 When you die, I'll put it out.

02:21:09.000 But I won't put it out until after you're dead.

02:21:11.000 And I wasn't thinking in my right mind.

02:21:14.000 You know, you never want to tell a friend that he's going to die.

02:21:17.000 That was the first thing.

02:21:18.000 I didn't want to say that.

02:21:19.000 But, man, he told us about me when I started.

02:21:25.000 And it was just, like, so fascinating to hear him talk about me to me you know and he's laughing about how green I was how he used to Take dope out of the bag, and I didn't know he took it out the bag.

02:21:41.000 He said, man, I wouldn't sell him a kilo because I could get four extra ounces out of the kilo, and I could sell him a pound.

02:21:49.000 It was just so much stuff, and it was amazing for me to understand that at one time I knew absolutely nothing about cocaine.

02:21:59.000 I'd never seen cocaine before, and they taught me.

02:22:04.000 They took me and molded me.

02:22:06.000 What's really crazy is that even though that sounds like, oh my god, that's illegal activity, that's drug dealing, but it's really a system and you figured out how to excel inside this system.

02:22:18.000 You figured out a business.

02:22:19.000 And you really could have done that with anything.

02:22:22.000 Yeah, to me it wasn't illegal.

02:22:25.000 I mean, I understood it was illegal, but I understand now, like you're saying, that it was the mentality of of being able to be taught to be able to listen to be able to follow instructions was the part that I feel was The most valuable lessons in this whole thing is that I learned to follow instructions.

02:22:49.000 I learned to listen.

02:22:52.000 I'm doing the same thing with the weed business.

02:22:54.000 When I first got into the weed business, you know, when I was out of jail and we were smoking weed and stuff, it was like two kinds of weed.

02:23:02.000 Thai bud and indica.

02:23:04.000 That was it.

02:23:06.000 Now, fuck, it's thousands of different strains.

02:23:10.000 Botanists got involved.

02:23:12.000 Scientists got involved.

02:23:13.000 So they tell me, smell the weed.

02:23:17.000 Shit, I can't smell shit.

02:23:23.000 I don't know the smell.

02:23:24.000 I don't know nothing.

02:23:26.000 So I had to learn the smell.

02:23:28.000 I had to learn what smell you're looking for.

02:23:32.000 What smell are you looking for?

02:23:37.000 Well, now, one time it was the gas, the OG smell.

02:23:45.000 And it was really like gassy smell, like gasoline, really stanky.

02:23:50.000 Now, it's a candy smell.

02:23:54.000 Like a sativa.

02:23:55.000 Like a sativa, sweet.

02:23:57.000 You know, they want that good taste. 0.97

02:23:59.000 That's what everybody's into.

02:24:00.000 So, smell it.

02:24:01.000 Yes.

02:24:02.000 Wow.

02:24:02.000 But now, the stuff I just gave you, It's the brand new stuff that the guy just created.

02:24:08.000 You got what they call, he calls it candy gas.

02:24:12.000 Oh boy.

02:24:13.000 So it's a hybrid.

02:24:14.000 It's a hybrid.

02:24:16.000 He has the highest testing weed in California.

02:24:21.000 My partner from Green Dragon, his name is company, and he just invented this strictly for me.

02:24:27.000 He said, Rick, this is the first time that anybody going to get candy gas.

02:24:32.000 He said, will you please get Joe Rogan your jars and tell him to let us know how he like it?

02:24:39.000 But it's candy gas.

02:24:41.000 So it's going to have the OG high.

02:24:43.000 You know, OG knock them out.

02:24:44.000 Right.

02:24:45.000 On the couch, stretch out.

02:24:46.000 Give me something to eat.

02:24:47.000 I ain't moving.

02:24:48.000 But it's going to have that sweet candy taste that everybody's looking for.

02:24:51.000 So he's saying that this here is going to shake the market up.

02:24:55.000 It's funny.

02:24:56.000 So I know how to do all that.

02:24:57.000 I know the smells now.

02:24:58.000 That's interesting.

02:24:59.000 It's funny how much it varies.

02:25:01.000 You know, really does.

02:25:02.000 And he's a scientist.

02:25:03.000 Like you said, he's a botanist.

02:25:05.000 You know, went to school for it and the whole nine yards.

02:25:08.000 Once they got involved.

02:25:10.000 Yeah, totally different game.

02:25:11.000 Yeah, totally different game.

02:25:12.000 It got scary.

02:25:13.000 Like, they started making some just insane high THC content weeds.

02:25:20.000 That's what everybody wants.

02:25:21.000 That was one of the arguments about it being illegal.

02:25:23.000 It's like, well, the marijuana of today is different than the marijuana back in the day.

02:25:26.000 It's so strong and people are going crazy.

02:25:28.000 Like, listen, people are going crazy no matter what you do.

02:25:32.000 Yeah.

02:25:32.000 Well, at least they're not using fentanyl.

02:25:34.000 That's true.

02:25:35.000 And that's also the problem with things being illegal, is that they're cutting it.

02:25:39.000 When you're buying it from the cartel, you know, there's a lot of stuff that people are buying from the cartel that's cut with fentanyl.

02:25:45.000 A lot.

02:25:46.000 Including like street pills, like pills like fake Xanax and fake Valiums.

02:25:51.000 It's all cut with fentanyl.

02:25:54.000 Fake Molly. 0.99

02:25:55.000 And like you said, that's what happens when you put that illegal market together.

02:25:58.000 Exactly.

02:25:59.000 And meanwhile, it costs us 100,000 lives every year, just in this country, from opiate overdoses.

02:26:06.000 And what are they doing to stop that?

02:26:09.000 Nothing.

02:26:13.000 It's so perplexing.

02:26:14.000 It's so perplexing, the problems of our world today.

02:26:19.000 It really is, because it's such a complicated series of issues, and it doesn't seem like any progress is being made.

02:26:28.000 Even the minimal progress that's being made with marijuana, the good progress is states making it illegal for recreational use, making it legal.

02:26:38.000 But if the federal government still doesn't have it legal, what the fuck are they doing?

02:26:43.000 How is that still a thing?

02:26:45.000 Yeah, the federal government should just get out of it.

02:26:47.000 Yeah.

02:26:47.000 Just wash their hands with it.

02:26:49.000 Leave it to the states.

02:26:50.000 We're done with it.

02:26:51.000 Whatever the states do, let it do.

02:26:53.000 That's what they should have done a long time ago.

02:26:54.000 Let's be done with it.

02:26:55.000 Well, they should have rescheduled it.

02:26:57.000 They should have made it legal.

02:26:59.000 Just schedule it and make it legal.

02:27:00.000 It should be legal.

02:27:01.000 It's stupid.

02:27:02.000 The whole thing's stupid.

02:27:03.000 It's stupid.

02:27:04.000 There's plenty of things.

02:27:05.000 If alcohol is legal, Marijuana should be legal.

02:27:09.000 That simple.

02:27:10.000 Alcohol destroys lives, destroys liver.

02:27:12.000 I had a guy in here last week.

02:27:14.000 He lost his liver and his kidney.

02:27:15.000 A liver replacement and a kidney replacement just from drinking himself to death.

02:27:19.000 And cigarettes.

02:27:20.000 Oh, yeah.

02:27:21.000 All that stuff.

02:27:22.000 Legal.

02:27:22.000 Totally legal.

02:27:23.000 It's crazy.

02:27:24.000 We live in a strange time.

02:27:26.000 But, you know, it's interesting.

02:27:29.000 Well, we're starting to talk about it.

02:27:31.000 Yeah.

02:27:32.000 I mean, the first thing, you know, nobody used to talk about drug dealing.

02:27:36.000 Right.

02:27:36.000 You know, that was a taboo, you know, to have somebody to come on and say, I sold drugs.

02:27:40.000 Right.

02:27:41.000 You never would have heard that before.

02:27:43.000 No, not like this.

02:27:44.000 So now we're talking about it.

02:27:47.000 People were starting to understand how to get started selling drugs, what to look for.

02:27:51.000 And that's really all I can do.

02:27:53.000 You know, if I can educate somebody on what to look for when it's coming your way, Hey, I did my job.

02:28:00.000 Yeah, and explain the pitfalls.

02:28:04.000 And also, don't ask how much when someone calls you up.

02:28:11.000 When someone gets suspicious.

02:28:13.000 Don't get addicted.

02:28:14.000 If you get addicted, you're going to ask how much.

02:28:16.000 Right.

02:28:18.000 Especially if you're addicted to the thrill of the game.

02:28:21.000 If it's an exciting thing and then you're not doing that exciting thing anymore and you miss it.

02:28:27.000 Because everything that you're not supposed to be doing is exciting, at least in some way, especially something that's massively profitable.

02:28:35.000 But at least you documented it.

02:28:37.000 Right here.

02:28:39.000 Freeway Rick Ross, The Untold Autobiography, second edition.

02:28:43.000 Well, I took out all the misspellings and, you know, the typos.

02:28:49.000 Because you know I self-publish.

02:28:51.000 Oh, okay.

02:28:52.000 You self-publish this?

02:28:53.000 I self-publish it, yeah.

02:28:54.000 So if anybody want to get it, tell them to go to my website, free at RickyRoss.com.

02:28:58.000 Don't go to Amazon, because they keep all the money.

02:29:01.000 Amazon keeps all the money?

02:29:02.000 They keep a lot of it.

02:29:03.000 Yeah.

02:29:04.000 We don't get much money.

02:29:06.000 Oh, okay.

02:29:06.000 I brought you my other one, too.

02:29:08.000 I did that one since I've been home.

02:29:09.000 21 Keys of Success.

02:29:11.000 Those are 21 keys that I used when I got out of prison.

02:29:15.000 All right.

02:29:16.000 Beautiful.

02:29:17.000 And this is available on?

02:29:18.000 On my site as well.

02:29:20.000 FreewayRicky.com?

02:29:21.000 FreewayRickyRoss.com.

02:29:22.000 Okay.

02:29:23.000 All right.

02:29:24.000 Yeah, I bought you a few gifts.

02:29:25.000 Thank you, sir.

02:29:26.000 I said I'm going to go and give you something.

02:29:28.000 That's my other one.

02:29:29.000 Three books?

02:29:30.000 Look at you, man.

02:29:31.000 And I also bought you one of my sweatshirts.

02:29:33.000 All right.

02:29:34.000 And I just want to tell you, man, thanks for...

02:29:36.000 The world famous Freeway Rick.

02:29:38.000 Thanks for all you did for me.

02:29:39.000 My pleasure.

02:29:40.000 Your story is crazy.

02:29:42.000 And you know what?

02:29:43.000 I'm going to take your advice on the podcast.

02:29:45.000 You should.

02:29:45.000 You know?

02:29:46.000 I hope you do.

02:29:47.000 Everybody else has been telling me, and I've been like, ah, ah, ah, yeah, but I did so well the last time you told me to do something, and I would be going against my own principles.

02:29:59.000 You definitely should.

02:30:00.000 Listen, you're an interesting man, and you've had a fascinating life, and we need more interesting people and interesting voices.

02:30:07.000 We need more people.

02:30:09.000 You know, we grow and learn from other people's perspectives of the world when you get to hear a person who's gone through the life that you've gone through, which is very unusual.

02:30:18.000 When you hear that person talks, it educates you and informs you and it changes your perspective.

02:30:25.000 You get to add to your perspective of the world from another person's life experiences.

02:30:31.000 And that benefits everybody.

02:30:32.000 Oh, no question.

02:30:33.000 I agree.

02:30:34.000 All right.

02:30:35.000 Let's do it again sometime, man.

02:30:36.000 Next time we do it, we'll be talking about your podcast.

02:30:39.000 When the movie come out.

02:30:40.000 Okay.

02:30:41.000 When the movie come out, I'll come back.

02:30:42.000 When is that?

02:30:43.000 Well, we just hired the director three weeks ago.

02:30:47.000 So hopefully this summer we go on production.

02:30:49.000 Okay.

02:30:49.000 Well, when it comes back, you come back.

02:30:51.000 All right.

02:30:52.000 Thank you, sir.

02:30:52.000 Appreciate you.

02:30:53.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - June 12, 2024

Joe Rogan Experience #2163 - Freeway Rick Ross

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