Aaron D'Souza and Christian Angermeyer, co-founders of the Enhanced Games, discuss doping in the Olympic Games and why they believe it s time for a new, more honest version of the Olympics. They also discuss why the Olympics is a scam, and why the next Olympic Games should be much more honest and fair for athletes and the rest of the world. The Enhanced Games is a new company that wants to take the Olympics to the next level and make it more honest, fair, and accessible to everyone. They want to make the Olympics more transparent, transparent, and accountable to the people who actually compete in it. They don t want to be like other sports, and they don't want to pay for it the same way other sports pay for their athletes. They just want to give them a better chance at a fair shot at competing in the next Olympics, without all the corruption, cheating, and cheating that other countries do. We hope you enjoy this episode, and we hope you listen to this episode and share it with your friends, family, friends, colleagues, and the media. If you like what you hear, please HIT SUBSCRIBE and tell a friend about this podcast on Apple Podcasts or wherever else you re listening to this podcast. It helps us spread the word. We love you! Timestamps: 4:00 - Why the Olympics should be honest, transparent and fair. 6:30 - Why doping should be more transparent. 8:15 - How much money should be paid for athletes? 9: What is doping? 12:00- What are you should be allowed to compete in the Olympics? 14:00: Is doping a scam? 16:15- What is the future of the next? 17:30- What kind of Olympic Games are we getting? 18:00 19:40 - What s the future? 21:20 - Is doping illegal? 22:30 23:10 - What does doping a good thing? 25:00 Is doping bad? 26:40 27: Why doping a problem? 28:10 30:00 What do you need to be honest? 35:00 Does doping really matter? 36: Does doping have a place in the 21st century? 33:00 Do you know what doping is good? 37:00 Can doping be good for you? 39:00
00:00:35.000When I was an undergraduate at university, it was just after the Sydney Olympics.
00:00:39.000And, you know, it was always something that inspired me.
00:00:42.000And I thought to myself, you know, I learned some key statistics.
00:00:47.00044% of Olympians admit to using banned performance-enhancing drugs within the last year, according to research commissioned by the World Antidepressant.
00:01:00.000And so, you know, and then I learned that the average American Olympian only earns $30,000 a year.
00:01:06.000And I thought to myself, there's something really wrong in the system.
00:01:09.000And instead of, you know, trying to reform it, let's take a blank slate of paper and invent the third Olympiad from scratch.
00:01:19.000Well, the Olympics is kind of a scam because it generates billions of dollars in revenue, and the people that are there to perform make almost none of that.
00:01:50.000And we thought there's a way to do a better, more honest model that inspires us to believe in the future of science and technology in the 21st century.
00:01:58.000And you could do it apolitically, too, if you chose to.
00:02:02.000Are you guys doing it by nation or are you doing it just like human beings?
00:03:08.000But there is even a cool Netflix movie about it.
00:03:10.000But long story short, unfortunately, this was the first year where it became really political, which I think music shouldn't be, which was sad.
00:03:48.000Where he's in the middle of doing this documentary about doing a race, naturally, and then doing a race enhanced.
00:03:56.000And the guy he contacts, in the middle of all the Sochi Olympics crap, that guy winds up fleeing the country, spilling the beans, and now he's hiding.
00:06:27.000This is what you can buy in your local shop.
00:06:28.000And then, of course, there's tainted supplements, which is a real problem because a lot of these supplements, they use another party that puts them together for them.
00:06:36.000Generally in other countries and a lot of them in China and these people are also making different things with these vats.
00:06:43.000They don't clean them properly and then they mix the new stuff in it and you easily get contamination.
00:08:16.000And we've been hearing that for years about sprinters, particularly sprinters in other countries, that they're enhanced.
00:08:23.000And especially if your national pride is involved, and they know that there's ways that you can kind of finagle things and get around them, and you hire doctors to test people and use masking agents or whatever the hell you do.
00:09:03.000Like, if you can make sure that a person is just doing IV vitamins, I mean, if your random testing is effective, you should just do that.
00:09:12.000Like, don't stop someone from doing something that's going to make them healthier while they're in a business that's about as dangerous as you can get without people shooting at you.
00:09:21.000Yeah, and so the solution is not to do drug testing.
00:09:46.000If you open up the gates and say you're allowed to take whatever substances you want at whatever levels you want in order to compete at your very best, How close to redlining does a person get?
00:10:00.000Especially if you're involved in something that requires strength and explosive energy.
00:10:06.000The UFC at one point in time had testosterone use exemptions.
00:10:12.000And you were allowed to get those if your testosterone was at a low enough level.
00:10:16.000The problem with that was that was not thought out at all.
00:10:19.000You can beat that test in a heartbeat.
00:10:22.000Stay up all night, eat 15 cheeseburgers, and jerk off three times, and you're good.
00:10:28.000You're going to be at like 200. You're going to be like, oh my god, you're sick, Bob.
00:10:35.000But also, there's another problem, is that people that have a history of anabolic steroid use, generally they've wrecked their endocrine system.
00:10:45.000And particularly back in the day, the early days of MMA was all enhanced.
00:10:51.000And if you go and watch Pride, for instance, like Pride, which was the big show in Japan, it was this enormous organization in Japan that kind of fell apart because the Yakuza was involved with it and they went bankrupt.
00:11:04.000There was a lot of craziness involved.
00:11:05.000But at one point in time, they were selling out, like, these 90,000-seat arenas in Tokyo.
00:11:14.000And everybody looked like a superhero.
00:11:16.000I mean, just fuckin' jack, just giant jack guys beating the shit out of each other.
00:11:21.000And everybody who went over there will tell you, like, the contract literally specifically stated in capital letters, we do not test for steroids.
00:11:30.000They will encourage you to do steroids over there.
00:13:27.000If you guys are successful, What athlete would want, if you guys are successful and it becomes a huge household name and people watch it and it becomes exciting and you make money, what athletes are going to want to do the Olympics for free and get a microscope up your ass?
00:13:46.000And people constantly testing you for this and that and knowing that other countries are probably pulling off some shenanigans like China allegedly did.
00:13:55.000Not our problem, but I agree with you.
00:14:13.000You're not going to watch something where the best natural player, no, you want to see the best absolute player, even if this player or person is enhanced.
00:14:22.000But again, the future will tell and the consumer will tell, but we are super confident.
00:14:25.000But it's like the rise of the UFC. So the UFC was unbridled by the traditional rules of boxing and other combat sports.
00:14:33.000And the simple premise that Rory on Gracie had was, how do we find the very best fighter, right?
00:15:02.000A deep history in the sport where they want to, and they can, they're capable of competing at an elite level.
00:15:08.000And then if they're going to do your games, they have to kind of make this decision because they're never going to be able in the Olympics again after that, right?
00:15:17.000Well, they actually could go back to the Olympic system.
00:15:21.000And if they do, I mean, if they do start taking testosterone, do start taking a bunch of other things, it's going to inhibit their natural ability to produce hormones.
00:15:31.000Well, technically most likely it comes back, but I would say it's a decision of the Olympics and other sports leagues how they want to handle athletes who also at a certain time have participated in our games.
00:15:43.000Maybe they say there is a cooling off period.
00:15:45.000So it's not that we will exclude them going back.
00:15:48.000It might be that other sports leagues say, look, once if you're in the enhanced games, you can't come back to us.
00:15:53.000And it's fundamentally an economic question too.
00:15:56.000So your average Olympian is earning $30,000 a year.
00:15:59.000The best performing track and field athletes might be making a couple hundred thousand bucks a year.
00:16:06.000And we're offering a million dollar prize to break significant world records.
00:16:10.000So it's a million dollars just to break the world records?
00:16:13.000A million bucks to break the 100 meter world record on the track.
00:16:16.000A million bucks to break the 50 meter freestyle world record in the pool.
00:16:20.000So the question is like how can you ensure that you're gonna get elite level athletes that are capable of performing at like an Olympic level and they're gonna they'll be risking it's a big it's a significant risk to them because they'll be openly admitting they're a part of the enhanced games they're openly admitting that they're taking these substances in order to compete at this level and they don't know if you guys are gonna be around like Well,
00:16:48.000so number one, you don't have to take enhancements to be at the enhanced game.
00:16:51.000You can just be a regular person with awesome genes.
00:16:53.000Yeah, you can say, hey, I won the genetic lottery, right?
00:16:57.000And I think I can beat all the enhanced athletes and make great television.
00:17:02.000Yeah, and so, you know, if you believe you've won the genetic lottery and you think you can show up and break a world record and get a million bucks, they'll come and do it, right, and do it naturally.
00:17:13.000And then some athletes say, you know, I did not win the genetic lottery and I want the chance to be, The Neil Armstrong of our generation.
00:18:02.000It's also we'll know for sure that these people are doing something, whereas before we just suspect it, you know, I remember when Ben Johnson got popped and everybody's like, oh, I can't believe he cheated.
00:18:16.000But then you find out that Carlos was taking stuff, too.
00:18:19.000I think everyone on the starting line in the 1988 100-meter final was...
00:18:24.000You know, Bruce Jenner took him famous.
00:18:26.000I mean, he talked about it, like taking him when he won the decathlon.
00:18:29.000And by the way, one thing is that we don't even need to speculate if athletes want to do it because we did a so-called casting call.
00:18:35.000So we're doing a documentary about the way to the Enhanced Games together with Ridley Scott.
00:18:40.000So we made a big casting call, and we have more than 1,000 professional athletes, many of them who are in the Summer Olympics, who applied to be in the documentary and hence in the Enhanced Games.
00:18:53.000So the question, if this is an appealing proposition, is answered.
00:19:20.000I don't think there will be a lot of pressure.
00:19:23.000Because again, what do countries want?
00:19:25.000Sports for them is a way to show their national pride.
00:19:29.000And if you have national pride, you want your person to be the fastest person in the world.
00:19:34.000If that's with enhancements, so be it.
00:19:37.000And it's also a point of national pride.
00:19:40.000It will be a point of national pride to be the most technologically and scientifically advanced society that has the engineering and intellectual capability to develop and manufacture and clinically supervise these products.
00:19:54.000It's actually what is interesting, like when we teamed up, Aaron had the idea, we talked early, I have my own investment firm, so I'm both the investor and his co-founder.
00:20:03.000We both were actually calculating with much more negativity.
00:20:09.000In actually a good way because it's driving our recognition.
00:20:13.000But I'm always jokingly saying it's almost going too smooth because people love it.
00:20:18.000The only people who don't love it is the Olympics.
00:20:21.000But the feedback we're getting from my 14-year-old godson to a head of state is like, that's fucking awesome.
00:20:29.000Well, it's also everybody knows that...
00:20:37.000You know, before USADA came into the UFC, a lot of people studied the difference between certain fighters that were competing at an incredibly high level before USADA came, and then their physiques melted.
00:21:21.000USADA was doing it in a very intrusive way where they were waking up fighters on the day of a weigh-in early in the morning because they'll show up at 6 o'clock in the morning.
00:21:31.000And it's because USADA is not accountable to anyone.
00:21:35.000The International Olympic Committee is not accountable to anyone.
00:21:39.000It's a really important question about how the structure of sports internationally works.
00:21:45.000Do you know who appoints the members of the International Olympic Committee?
00:21:48.000Right, so logically it should be like member countries like the UN, or maybe the athletes should elect members of the IOC. No, the IOC is a club of European aristocrats that was formed in 1896 that just elects itself.
00:22:03.000And so it has no external accountability.
00:22:07.000It's not accountable to any governments.
00:22:09.000And so that means that they can just set the rules however they want, and this is how they've gotten away with not paying athletes for over 100 years.
00:22:47.000So MMA, if you're going to have people being enhanced in MMA, that will severely limit their ability to compete in other organizations.
00:22:59.000So how are you going to get high-level fighters that are not going to compete in Bellator or not going to compete in the UFC? How are you going to do that?
00:23:08.000Well, I think the entire MMA community is clearly moving away from the traditional drug testing apparatus.
00:23:14.000Look at what UFC has done moving away from Minnesota.
00:23:17.000No, they just moved to drug-free sport, which is just a better organization that does the exact same thing.
00:24:30.000You've been in your career, you know, you're sort of 30, 35 years old, and people say, you know, you're out of it, you should be retired.
00:24:37.000And they're saying this isn't now with the emotional maturity that you have in your 30s to regain the body in your 20s and to come back to compete at a high level.
00:25:03.000That is interesting, because, like, I don't know how much you guys follow MMA, but one of the great eras of MMA was Vitor Belfort when they let him take testosterone.
00:25:15.000It's legendary in MMA, because he is the best example of a veteran, a guy who was an older guy, first fought in the UFC at 19 years old in 1997. And in the 2000s, this was like 2004 or 5,
00:25:32.000that's when they allowed the testosterone use exemptions and Vitor looked like an alien.
00:25:38.000Luke Rockhold saw him at the weigh-ins and my first thought was, what the fuck is this guy on?
00:25:45.000Because he had a mohawk and he just looked insanely jacked and he was knocking everybody out.
00:25:53.000But because of the testosterone use exemptions and then there was some controversy about it, they had tested him one time when he was in the United States and he was Off the charts.
00:26:05.000Like, you're not supposed to have that much testosterone in your system.
00:32:47.000These state-funded, state-sponsored programs have existed forever, and they've just been doing weaselly things to try to avoid detection, and they get caught all the time.
00:32:58.000And it's not as simple as, like, everyone just really wants to find out who the best is, and they're on the honor system, and everybody is honorable.
00:33:12.000But imagine the scientific potential of all of that research that came out into the open in terms of anti-aging in particular.
00:33:21.000The same compounds that allow individual athletes to run faster and jump higher are the ones that will allow us to be younger, faster, and stronger for longer.
00:33:32.000And I think that's a very admirable...
00:33:54.000But also, by the way, it's an important point.
00:33:55.000I think a lot of people always put enhancements into just the vanity pocket, which is, by the way, and I think it's a very legit pocket because, for example, I'm doing it more for vanity.
00:34:06.000But if you look at older people, like sarcopenia, like a rapid muscle loss, whatever, is a problem for many people.
00:34:54.000They're still there, but the doctor's like, oh, like...
00:34:57.000I have these reputational risks giving an eight-year-old an anabolic steroid because the word became so bad.
00:35:03.000Despite, they all agree, this would make the life of millions of older people much more livable.
00:35:10.000By the way, small doses, but like, yeah.
00:35:12.000So I'm very passionate, not just about like, enhanced games, we hope will be a crystallization factor for a whole societal change on how we look at Body autonomy, how we give the decision back to people,
00:35:29.000again, what they want to be with their body, with their mind, and all of that.
00:35:33.000And with the current state-of-the-art science, too.
00:35:35.000It's like, what is the point of having all this knowledge and functional ways?
00:35:41.000There's absolute ways to enhance the way your mind performs, your body performs.
00:35:46.000And to chalk it off to vanity is so crazy.
00:35:59.000So in the 1920s, the Carnegie Foundation commissioned a sociologist from Johns Hopkins University, Professor Albert Flexner, to go and study medical education.
00:36:11.000And so it used to be, back then, that anyone could call themselves a doctor.
00:36:18.000Yeah, anyone could just read some books and you call yourself a doctor.
00:36:21.000And after the Flexner Report, it was decided by state legislatures that we had to regulate what it meant to be a doctor and what medical education was required.
00:36:33.000And the definition of medicine as a result of that is that medicine is about the treatment and cure of disease.
00:36:43.000And if you walk into your doctor and you say, I'm a healthy 39-year-old, but I'd like to be extraordinary, he would say, I'm sorry, medicine legally cannot help you.
00:36:56.000Well, wasn't this the reason why ProVigil and NuVigil, when they first came up with those, I believe they came up with the idea of them being a performance-enhancing substance, but then they didn't have a way to prescribe them,
00:37:22.000No, it's like, I think it's like, by the way, I always tell that at universities when I give a speed, that's the real mind or intellectual enhancement drugs because it doesn't make you chittery, whatever.
00:37:44.000Why do we say for students or whatever, oh, it's bad if you try to be the best?
00:37:51.000And why is a substance, modafenil, which is, by the way, wildly studied, which is there since decades, Every single neuroscientist in my team, in my biotech sector, I talk to is like, this can be taken safely in moderate amounts.
00:38:05.000Why are we shying away to discussing that this is a good thing?
00:39:02.000I'm not only doing a marketing session about it, but it's a good example where I really don't understand how we could not at least give people the choice.
00:39:12.000Again, some people might not want to do it.
00:39:32.000That's my favorite sort of take on how fucked up our society is in terms of drugs.
00:39:38.000He wrote a whole book about the risk of drugs.
00:39:42.000Because the interesting thing is, we're all throwing around the word risk without definition.
00:39:48.000When I sit at dinner and talk with people about Modiphany, for example, or psychedelics, and they're zipping a glass of wine, look at me, and like...
00:40:59.000So the paper is published in The Lancet, which is the top medical journal.
00:41:02.000And if, Jamie, you want to pull it up, it's called Drug Harm in the UK, a Multi-Criteria Decision Analysis, published in The Lancet in 2010 by Professor David Nutt.
00:41:12.000And it has this amazing chart, which I'm looking at on.
00:41:19.000And yes, on the one side, on the most extreme, with the highest individual and social risk is alcohol and heroin.
00:41:27.000And on the other side is psychedelics.
00:41:28.000So, by the way, I urge every listener, because that's a little bit my passion, is to make people at least aware.
00:41:34.000And then you can decide, by the way, that you drink alcohol.
00:41:36.000I'm not saying I would ban alcohol, but I think people should be aware of what they're doing.
00:41:43.000It's all about education and awareness.
00:41:45.000Look at the drop between alcohol and heroin.
00:41:48.000Heroin's way less bad for you than alcohol.
00:41:50.000So, by the way, but I want to be careful because that actually would got him in political trouble because one magazine wrote, which is, by the way, the wrong takeaway, said, oh, the drug advisor of the UK government said heroin, take heroin on alcohol, whatever.
00:42:24.000For societal reasons, because I was gay in a village where it was not cool to be gay, and I was like, if I get drunk, I'm going to spill it, and my life is ruined.
00:43:08.000And I was always a very happy, lucky person, so I didn't think it's doing that much to me.
00:43:13.000So I came out of this trip, and there was the point when I decided that psychedelics in general should be medically available again, and then sort of restarted the whole psychedelic renaissance.
00:43:24.000Well, I'm glad that that's something that we've been discussing forever.
00:43:28.000I mean, it's something that got squashed in 1970 by the sweeping Psychedelics Act, and it didn't make any sense.
00:43:35.000I think it was the biggest crime, one of the biggest crimes that government back then did.
00:43:39.000Because if you think about it, like all the data we're producing, it has the potential to heal, really, I'm using the word healing deliberately, To heal mental health issues like depression, anxiety.
00:43:52.000So if you think about it, that a government scam in 1970, which was a pure political scam to discredit the hippie community because they were going against the Vietnam War, that that took away one of the most potent groups of drugs,
00:44:10.000medical drugs, for mental health issues.
00:44:12.000And then you look at our time, how prevalent mental health issues are.
00:44:16.000They are actually as a whole You could say the number one problem we have from opioid addiction to depression to youth suicidality.
00:44:24.000And it all was taken away for no reason.
00:44:27.000These drugs, as you saw on the chart, and by the way, what we're showing with my two companies, Compass and Atai, They have a little downside, meaning everything has a downside, but there is no big downside if taken properly with a therapist together.
00:44:42.000But the data we're producing shows an enormous upside, again, to cure and alleviate mental health issues.
00:44:49.000And I think one of the best paths that MAPS has put forth is helping soldiers.
00:44:55.000Helping soldiers with PTSD and that's been a great way to get through the door because you know the veteran community has been dealing with it for a long time and I think it's shifted the perspective from a lot of these people that are more conservative that would normally think of drugs as being for losers and bad for society and they have a different perspective on it now like you're calling it drugs It's the wrong word.
00:45:49.000Unfortunately, it was a very sad moment.
00:45:51.000It's not a decision yet because the FDA is going to decide on August 11th on MDMA. But the advisory committee hearing, which was public, recommended not to approve MDMA for post-traumatic stress disorder.
00:46:07.000But the reason is also, I want to be a little bit self-critic-like for the psychedelic industry, Because I'm a huge believer, like you're sitting next to maybe the biggest believer in psychedelics, but I also realize that 95%, I would guess, because we live in our bubble.
00:46:23.000You have met a lot of people who take psychedelics.
00:46:25.000I'm always very open, like in a country where it's legal, I do my psychedelic therapy, sort of life enhancing thing twice a year, like I'm very open with that.
00:46:34.000But, like, I also realized we are a bubble, like, and 95% of whatever, like, a vast majority of people have not done psychedelics yet, and are unfortunately, we can like it or not, and we can blame the Nixon government or not, but, like, are stuck in this misinformation.
00:46:49.000So the only way to, this was sort of what some people say, I'm too conservative, because they're like, oh my god, you're taking it, like, you should, like, be more, like, be liberal, whatever.
00:46:58.000But my decision was the only way to move psychedelics Back into the medical world is to do it like I would do it, and we have a biotech portfolio, 50 biotech companies, like I do it with every other medical substance.
00:47:12.000I'm producing clinical data in a very rigorous, very scientific way to show and prove it what I personally believe, but we have to prove it.
00:47:22.000And that was a little bit the weakness Of the MAPS data, because MAPS was a non-profit, so they never had a huge funding.
00:47:31.000So all the data was actually always done with the minimum effort.
00:47:35.000Not because they wanted it, but it was kind of limited in terms of funding.
00:47:39.000MAPS did 200 people in the Phase 3 PDST study.
00:47:44.000In our treatment-resistant depression study with psilocybin, the active ingredient in magic mushrooms, we treated around 800 people.
00:47:53.000Why people said at the beginning, oh, it's a lot.
00:47:55.000You need to spend all that money because it costs hundreds of millions.
00:47:58.000But I was like, people will try to poke holes in it because it's magic mushrooms.
00:48:03.000So because I'm dealing with psychedelics and because I have this personal conviction, but I cannot take my personal conviction and say, oh, everybody should just follow me because, like, I know.
00:48:13.000I need to be especially rigorous and need to do it sort of very scientific, very broad.
00:48:19.000So, yeah, long story short, I think psychedelics are coming back.
00:48:22.000Yeah, I think we're going to deliver really good data over the next years.
00:48:27.000And I also think, I still hope that the FDA will actually still approve MDMA because they can, so they don't need to follow...
00:49:10.000And then you have more that have it available for medical use, yet the government still has it as a Schedule I. They've made moves to turn it to a Schedule III, but as of this discussion, it's a Schedule I drug.
00:49:25.000Literally in states that are saying you can take it here you could buy it here you could sell it here We'll tax it and the federal government is still not on board with that and then The move next would be psilocybin so some states have decriminalized that right like Portland kind of Portland or Oregon I think has done a reverse they've did they've made like I think they've hit the brakes on I want to make a big sort of plea that psilocybin or in general psychedelics and cannabis should not be mixed
00:50:15.000But if I look at human history, and you had Brian here, Murarescu, whom I love.
00:50:19.000So if you look at Brian's work, he has shown that over 10,000 years, humans have used psychedelics in a very actually rigid setting.
00:50:29.000If you think about the cult of Demeter, the Ilysinian mysteries, or the cult of Osiris, all of these psychedelic cults, they all actually said you can't just do psychedelics once or twice a year.
00:50:44.000With a shaman together, it was actually forbidden by death to take the kykion, the drink which we believe was ergot, the natural version of LSD, in the Illycinian Mysteries outside of the very strong framework of the Illycinian Mysteries.
00:51:23.000They should be limited to be used with a therapist together who also sort of gives you a sort of a full sort of therapy session around it, and that's how they can unfold.
00:51:41.000You can take psychedelics in micro doses and it's very effective It's very helpful and to limit people from having the ability to do that.
00:51:49.000I don't think makes any sense There's great benefits to micro dosing psilocybin a lot of people have had great benefits micro dosing LSD like tremendous benefits and they talk about it very openly and I think if we are going to act under the idea of body autonomy that falls under that also To say that marijuana is not a psychedelic,
00:52:11.000all that would say to me is you haven't taken enough.
00:52:40.00011-hydroxymetabolite is five times more psychoactive than THC. And I used to do a joke about it where it said, and it lets you talk to dolphins.
00:53:09.000Especially in the tank that I showed you guys.
00:53:12.000Psychedelic drugs, mushrooms, there's a great history of people using them in those tanks.
00:53:18.000We talked about John Lilly who would take ketamine.
00:53:21.000But I know a lot of people who do high levels of edibles and they get in the tank and they have crazy psychedelic experiences.
00:53:32.000I think that's also part of the problem with people recreationally taking edibles, is you really probably shouldn't do that all the time, especially at high doses, because I think it causes schizophrenia, and I think it has in some people.
00:53:46.000I think it causes fragile minds to shatter.
00:53:50.000And especially if you have some underlying conditions or propensity or family history of schizophrenia, it's probably not a good idea for you.
00:53:57.000But I don't think we should just dismiss marijuana as being different than the other drugs.
00:54:03.000It's just a drug that is more likely to be consumed microdosed.
00:54:09.000Okay, so I just want to be mindful that we're not mixing things.
00:54:26.000So it might have the same or similar feelings.
00:54:30.000But I think it's a different mechanism of action.
00:54:32.000If you, by the way, pull up the chart again of David Knott, so the amazing thing with mushrooms is that the only risk which you saw with the small pinkish sort of thing is that you fall down the stairs and hurt yourself while you take it.
00:54:47.000Otherwise, psilocybin has no toxicity.
00:55:31.000Never mix these things because we don't know.
00:55:33.000What I'm arguing for, by the way, the same going back to microdosing, we need to find or we need to create a scientific basis for all of that.
00:55:41.000There will never be a scientific study which tells you you can happily mix alcohol, psilocybin, and cannabis.
00:55:48.000I really don't know what's happening in your brain.
00:56:19.000Microdosing is my favorite example to push back a bit because you said it actually.
00:56:25.000You said there are people who say they were helped by microdosing.
00:56:29.000That is not how science works because I can give you a lot of people who have one experience, but science is take thousands of them and see if there is a real statistic significance in whatever we want to prove.
00:56:43.000They are not from us, because I think microdosing will always be not a commercial endeavor, but there are a few really good studies from, I think it was the University of Chicago, but I don't know, about microdosing,
00:56:58.000and they could not reproduce the positive factors individual people were saying on a large scale.
00:57:42.000Right, but it doesn't mean that there's not a benefit to microdosing.
00:57:45.000Yeah, but I would say microdose, do you one trip a year.
00:57:48.000You get all the benefits, by the way, because there we know you get neuroplasticity.
00:57:52.000There we know you get all the positive effects out of it.
00:57:55.000But second, what you need to be just mindful is like there was a study some days ago, if we can pull it up, if you look microdosing at heart, so all these psychedelic stock at the 5-H2A receptor,
00:58:11.000But also have an effect on your heart.
00:58:14.000So hopefully I'm not using the technically right terms, but I always describe it to my friends.
00:58:19.000It's like psychedelics are a little bit poking your heart.
00:58:22.000So if you do that once a year, we've shown it zero problem, zero.
00:58:27.000We don't know what psychedelics microdosing does to your heart.
00:58:33.000Right, but isn't the poking the heart effect due to the large doses of stunning experiences that you're having when you're really tripping on like seven grams?
00:58:45.000And the only thing I'm putting out there is that everything I'm saying is like what is really important, and I'm saying that as really like one of the most passionate people about psychedelics, That we cannot or we shouldn't abandon the...
01:00:23.000I'm just wondering what they did for cognitive tests.
01:00:26.000There were also some neurobiological reasons to expect LSD might improve mood because LSD acts through serotonin receptors where traditional antidepressants are known to act.
01:00:39.000The main thing I'm saying is, so microdosing could be, the only plea I make is, like, let's treat psychedelics with the same sort of rigorous scientific lens like we treat anything else.
01:00:50.000By the way, that's my whole, like, how I marry my libertarian view and sort of my scientific view is let's just prove things.
01:01:03.000And that's, by the way, how we, I mean, here in the room, because we all love psychedelics, how we convince the 95%, how we convince those people who were sitting on the advisory panel and said no to MDMA. It was very clear when they were talking that none of them had tried it.
01:01:19.000But the answer can't be, come on, try MDMA and then please approve it.
01:01:23.000The answer must be, I put in front of you a data set where it doesn't matter that it's called MDMA and it doesn't matter that it has a history because the data speaks for itself.
01:03:18.000We've raised millions of dollars in the world's top venture capitalists, Christian included, Peter Thiel, Balaji Srinivasan.
01:03:24.000And we're reinventing the Olympic Games, not just in terms of adding Performance enhancements, adding payments to athletes, but we're also removing the core waste.
01:03:35.000So the core problem of the Olympics is that they build a dozen stadiums and then they throw them away after two weeks.
01:03:40.000It is literally the most financially wasteful exercise in human history.
01:03:48.000Between $30 and $100 billion a cost to put on an Olympic Games, and it is just disastrous for the host city.
01:03:55.000So by reducing the number of sports and focusing on the ones that have the highest television and social media impact, we can have very, very low infrastructural costs and operate the whole thing profitably.
01:04:27.000Are you going to sell it to a network?
01:04:28.000So number one, we will raise enough equity capital so that we can run the games for at least three years without any media rights, corporate sponsorship, or ticket sales.
01:04:40.000Of course, we will grab all those revenue drivers, and that will make us a profitable endeavor.
01:04:46.000But fundamentally, we have enough equity capital to make sure this thing really works and is delivered for a long period of time.
01:04:53.000So for three years, you could just run it till the brakes fall off.
01:05:13.000Outdoor brand or whatever, a big sportswear brand will sponsor in the first year.
01:05:17.000So we really, as Aaron said, we planned, we are venture funded and we can do it three years without those major revenues, which we obviously somewhat want to have.
01:05:25.000But then surprisingly, major brands Inbounded us and said, can we work with you early?
01:05:33.000Which, again, showed us like we sort of hit the zeitgeist a bit with the thing.
01:05:39.000In terms of brand sponsorship, so Nike, their core mythology is that the fastest people in the world wear their shoes.
01:05:46.000I like how you say their core mythology.
01:07:58.000So, publicly, they don't like us, obviously.
01:08:01.000But the fact that we are paying the athletes has really changed the dynamics of Olympic sports.
01:08:07.000So, Lord Sebastian Coe, who is the president of World Athletics, came out and said that athletics will pay $50,000 For a gold medal at the Paris Olympics.
01:10:00.000I mean, if you guys can really come out of the gate guns blazing and put on a tremendous show and captivate people, I think you're in.
01:10:08.000Yeah, and that's why we've raised millions and millions of dollars from the world's top venture capital funds so we can deliver an amazing broadcast experience, recruit the best athletes, and ensure that we make a television package that's really,
01:10:54.000And you see this with college football and college basketball.
01:10:57.000The NIL writes, you know, 18-year-olds in college are now driving Lamborghinis.
01:11:01.000Yet Olympic athletes have been so screwed financially and that we're just going to deliver a better economic system that is a more compelling television package because of enhancements.
01:11:49.000Well, I mean, it's really interesting because if it does take off, it might legitimately change the way pharma companies interface with these particular substances if they realize they're going to be extremely popular.
01:12:03.000Once they see how well people do, especially if you get athletes that are in their 30s that may be washed out of MMA organizations and they start competing at an elite level again, if you start seeing people breaking the world records in sprinting, they might go,
01:14:07.000I do a blood test every two weeks because I'm obviously at the moment going through an enhancement process.
01:14:12.000And because people react different on different stuff.
01:14:15.000Like there might be people who say, look, I don't like Ozempic, then don't take it or like it.
01:14:19.000But like it worked for me, which is great.
01:14:21.000So but it's outsourced discipline, but I'm not the person which it was made for because it was obviously originally made for diabetes and then for clinically obese people.
01:14:30.000And you know that Ozempic and the GLP-1s are prescribed in the United States off-label 83% of the time.
01:14:57.000Where suddenly the whole industry looks at health.
01:15:00.000By the way, I think looks at health how we should look at health, not like how we just give people something once the damage is there, but how we can keep people more healthy for longer and help them to enhance themselves if they want to.
01:15:30.000So a doctor cannot prescribe you medication against the clinical indicator of aging.
01:15:37.000Aging is a normal biological process and is just accepted by the field of medicine.
01:15:42.000And it wasn't until 1997 that osteoporosis was considered a disease.
01:15:49.000It was prior to that just considered a natural part of the aging process.
01:15:54.000And so I think we need a revolution here where we say medicine is not about making just the sick people less sick.
01:16:01.000It's about fundamentally improving the quality of all human life so that we can become Superhuman.
01:16:09.000And at the time in which we live, an era of artificial intelligence where the machines are upgrading, we need to upgrade our own biology to be competitive.
01:16:19.000Well, I think in that case, especially looking at Ozempic and these drugs that are used off-label, the fact that they're incredibly profitable and the fact that they are being used mostly for people that just want to lose some weight and look better, that's really probably a good sign for the future of how these substances are at least allowed to be used.
01:17:37.000According to my scientific team, they believe that enhancements will add about 5% to the performance of any athlete.
01:17:43.000However, most of the existing world records are enhanced in some way or another.
01:17:49.000Usain Bolt's world record, et cetera, might be...
01:17:52.000And so it's actually kind of hard, but actually doing a full open enhancement that's not trying to beat the drug test probably has about 5%.
01:17:59.000But it also goes back to the economics of being an Olympic athlete.
01:18:04.000Most Olympians are stacking boxes at Home Depot or flipping burgers at McDonald's.
01:18:08.000So by being able to pay the athletes and create a fair economic arrangement allows them to focus on their training, right?
01:18:15.000And then a third dimension is actually a really simple one.
01:20:29.000Those are the five core sports that we've identified that have the highest television and social media impact with the lowest infrastructural cost.
01:20:36.000We don't need to build specialist stadiums.
01:20:37.000So, you know, like I love velodrome cycling.
01:20:54.000Most sports at the Olympic Games, the total number of professional or semi-professional participants is very small.
01:21:02.000So, you know, things like rock climbing, skateboard, you know, there aren't huge participation numbers for these things.
01:21:08.000So people are going to be heartbroken that synchronized swimming is out.
01:21:12.000Yeah, you know, curling, bobsleigh, you know.
01:21:15.000Curling is one of the silliest ones of all time.
01:21:18.000Yeah, and curling has participated in by less than a thousand people worldwide.
01:21:22.000The interesting question, though, would be if people on psychedelics would be better at synchronized swimming because it's like bringing you in.
01:23:24.000I mean, this is the conversation that I had yesterday.
01:23:26.000I had Freeway Ricky Ross on the podcast yesterday.
01:23:30.000I don't know if you know who he is, but he was a drug dealer that was illiterate that was at one point in time selling as much as $3 million worth of cocaine in a day.
01:24:05.000The problem is you're never going to get away from the demand.
01:24:09.000The demand in the United States is immense.
01:24:11.000So you're fueling drug empires in Mexico.
01:24:15.000So you're fueling illegal organized crime because you won't come to terms with the fact that body autonomy and The rights of an individual to choose to do whatever they want, especially in light of what is legal that is incredibly damaging,
01:24:34.000And that if you just made it legal, I mean, you would have a real problem.
01:24:41.000You would have a lot of people getting addicted, you have a lot of people trying it that wouldn't try it, but eventually the dust would settle.
01:24:48.000And the concept would be you would have to mitigate all these potential future problems With counseling, with treatment, and with education, but you would severely limit the amount of adulterated drugs.
01:25:04.000If you made sure that the supply was clean and you're getting it from pharmaceutical drug companies and pharmaceutical drug companies, Could profit off of it.
01:25:13.000And you would just have a percentage of that profit that would be taxed.
01:25:19.000And in that discussion about the social externality and addictive substances, we never talk about the two most addictive substances, processed food and sugar, which have done so much damage to our society.
01:25:34.000And do you know who Team USA's top Olympic sponsors are?
01:25:44.000Read the social history of the Olympic movement and of McDonald's and Coca-Cola.
01:25:50.000Both of them built their brands on sports marketing.
01:25:53.000Selling the most dangerous, most addictive, most damaging drug ever developed to children.
01:26:04.000It's funny that we don't look at it that way, isn't it?
01:26:06.000Also, I always say, like, when you remember the chart we looked at where alcohol is worse than heroin, next time you go to an airport and you see all these shops which say alcohol and tobacco, whatever, just think for a second it would say heroin.
01:27:04.000But young people coming up, and I think a lot of podcasts are doing that because these conversations are available for the first time, and not just available, but available to millions and millions of people in a way that it used to be.
01:27:18.000Mainstream media was and these conversations get shared and then people they put clips on Instagram and YouTube and they start passing them around and people Listen more and then they you know I used to think this but now that and The more conversations you have with intelligent,
01:27:36.000educated people that really understand what's going on and can give you the data and explain it in a logical way, you realize, well, this is an intelligent person that has an informed perspective on this.
01:27:47.000And it'll allow people to just sort of reevaluate.
01:27:53.000Faith in institutions is at an all-time low, and faith in institutions that give out health advice is at an all-time low, because we now know about the sugar industry that bribed scientists in order to lie about the dangers of saturated fat.
01:28:10.000We know about drug companies that lie about the side effects of their drugs and high data.
01:28:15.000We know about all that now, so we're a little less We're likely to believe the mainstream narrative on a lot of things that we just accepted as fact.
01:28:24.000That's right, and I think we live in this era of disruption, and social media is such a powerful force in both positive and negative ways.
01:28:33.000And two years ago, it was basically impossible for athletes to talk about performance-enhancing drugs.
01:28:39.000You would just be canceled immediately.
01:28:43.000And, you know, we launched and, you know, started to have a conversation and pulled the Overton window open.
01:28:48.000And now so many eminent scientists and doctors come and say, you know, if you actually look at the data, look at Professor Nutt's study, it's not that dangerous.
01:28:56.000It's worth having a conversation about.
01:29:04.000And this is only possible because of the era of information distribution which we have, which is not guarded by traditional media institutions.
01:30:04.000Is it an FDA-approved substance by that?
01:30:07.000I also saw methadone was on that, which I thought was interesting.
01:30:11.000Oh, equally as effective as moderate doses of methadone.
01:30:14.000However, because buprenorphine is unlikely to be as effective as more optimal dose methadone, it may not Be the treatment of choice for patients with high levels of physical dependency.
01:30:27.000Okay, so it's to treat people that are physically dependent.
01:32:27.000But cannabis is only below amphetamines by three points.
01:32:32.000And to emphasize that this is a really high-quality, credible study published in The Lancet, which is one of the top medical journals in the entire world.
01:32:45.000You know, I mean, we need to be informed.
01:32:47.000We need data, and I firmly believe in personal autonomy.
01:32:52.000And I just think, again, I just don't think adults should be able to tell other adults what to do and not to do.
01:32:58.000If they're informed, if they're educated, if they know what they're doing, you should be able to do whatever you want to do, just like you can go bull riding.
01:33:04.000I don't encourage you to go bull riding, but if you want to go bull riding, you're allowed to go bull riding.
01:33:08.000So tell me why you can go bull riding, but you can't smoke a joint.
01:33:54.000And this has always been something that I've been so deeply passionate about is The people who succeed in life, the people who push society to a new level, the people who improve themselves and their families and their communities are willing to take positive risk.
01:34:09.000Yet our society is so dominated by a safetyism and a safetyist culture that we're increasingly unwilling to take any risk.
01:34:21.000Our desire for safety is not accurate.
01:34:24.000We're not really targeting the things that are actually dangerous for us.
01:34:27.000We're not being honest about it, about what we know about food and what we know about certain substances that people are using and taking in their food and just what happens when you have a bad diet.
01:34:38.000It's one of the primary factors for all-cause mortality is a shitty diet.
01:36:37.000The fact that that's not something that someone's clamoring to get off the shelves.
01:36:42.000You know, they don't put the brakes on that industry.
01:36:44.000Well, you know, my theory of social change is very simple.
01:36:48.000Change only happens when someone puts a suit on and goes to work every day trying to solve a problem.
01:36:54.000Until I decided to rent a little office in West London, hire a few people and say, you know, we're going to normalize performance enhancements.
01:37:02.000We're going to celebrate performance enhancements.
01:37:03.000There was no one dedicated full time to doing it.
01:37:06.000I doubt that there's anyone dedicated full time in a really professional manner to stopping seed oils.
01:37:11.000Well, there's a giant industry that's profiting off of them that would get in the way of that, I'm sure.
01:37:16.000Yeah, but now we would need a business model.
01:37:18.000I think that's the power of capitalism.
01:37:55.000But, like, we can combat it with positive change also.
01:37:58.000As long as people have access to accurate information, the problem is when capitalism also works to try to subvert Accurate information and try to distort things in order to increase their profits, which is also a giant issue.
01:38:13.000But today, I think that's more difficult to do than ever before, just because of new media, just because people have the internet, they have access to information, as long as that information is not being curated, which is also a problem.
01:38:24.000You know, it's a problem what is allowed and not allowed to be distributed.
01:38:29.000And I think that's why the podcasting industry is actually so powerful as compared to consuming written content, which is so easily manipulatable and doesn't have that trust dimension.
01:38:40.000As I read the New York Times, I don't actually think about the person who wrote the article versus I listen to a podcast and I say, oh, I know Joe.
01:39:34.000And if there is such a person who wishes to compete at the Enhanced Games, please write to me and I'm going to set up a meeting with every athlete you propose to compete against and create a fair and balanced framework.
01:39:47.000But is it fair and balanced if you're allowing a biological male ever to compete with biological females, especially in light of the enhanced games proposal of allowing people to take performance enhancing drugs?
01:40:01.000Because you'd have to make a very clear definition What is a transitioned athlete?
01:40:13.000If you're going to limit a biological male's ability to take testosterone or force them to take some sort of a testosterone blocker, In order to achieve a certain requirement, that kind of goes against the ethics or the ethos of this enhanced games in the first place.
01:40:32.000Well, so I think you're actually viewing it in the inverse way that I would.
01:40:37.000Because the actual question to ask is, so, and I'm gay myself, so let me use my language very precisely here because I know it really matters to a member of the transgender community.
01:40:48.000The standard argument is that a person born a man who transitions to being a woman, particularly after puberty, has an insurmountable biological advantage over a natural born woman.
01:41:20.000That is also allowed to enhance themselves?
01:41:22.000A biological male that's transgender So you're taking a biological male, for lack of a better term, lack of being politically correct, and you're allowing them to compete with biological women, and you're allowing them to take performance-enhancing drugs, then you're allowing a man to compete against a woman.
01:41:41.000Why not just say you have to be biologically female to compete in the female division, biologically male to compete in the male division?
01:41:49.000Yeah, so one version that one of our investors has proposed to us is that we have a Because the reality about gender transition at the moment, it's still not even beta stage technology.
01:42:11.000And so let's assign athletes based on chromosomal status without having the labels of male and female, which are very precious to some people, or man and woman.
01:42:22.000And that language has been manipulated by both sides politically.
01:42:25.000And just say, it's actually a scientific question.
01:42:39.000I think the point Aaron wanted to make earlier is that in all the more than 1,000 people we had, there was no person identifying as transgender.
01:42:48.000I also think that it might be a little bit the whole headlines blown out of proportion on a very professional level.
01:42:56.000Yes, there are some activists on both sides who I think try to make a point almost in sports, but these are not the people who compete on an Olympic level.
01:43:06.000So we also think for us, it might not even be a big issue.
01:43:10.000That's why Aaron was saying, like, we really welcome a discussion.
01:43:12.000And that's the great thing of inventing a new sport.
01:43:15.000We can think about things with a very clean slate, without any prejudice in one or the other direction.
01:43:20.000Yeah, so that's why if somebody is really feeling or if somebody is transgender and really is on a level, though, they can...
01:43:38.000You're still dealing with a biological male that you're allowing to enhance themselves so that they can perform to the highest level of their ability physically.
01:43:48.000So if you're taking a biological male, who's transitioned to being a woman, but now you're allowing them to take EPO, testosterone, you know, fill in the blanks, IGF-1, whatever you're going to give them, you're not, that's a biological male,
01:44:05.000I'm not, I'm not, only thing I'm saying is like how many of those descriptions you just had are in the really high level Olympian community.
01:44:14.000I'm just thinking it's, it's much less- What about Lea Thomas?
01:44:18.000Is Lea Thomas in world record contention?
01:44:50.000Now, I want you to imagine Leah Thomas on testosterone, EPO, all sorts of performance enhancing substances, peptides, and then allowing this person to compete as a woman.
01:45:19.000And especially if you're allowing Leah Tom...
01:45:22.000The whole idea about a transgender athlete competing with biological females is that there's supposed to be It's supposed to be even because this person is on testosterone blockers and on estrogen and they've lost all their muscle mass and they're basically a woman.
01:45:36.000This is the argument that the activists use.
01:45:38.000But the problem with that is the structure of the body is different.
01:46:46.000But I think that that's going to be the likelihood in the future is that most children, at least in like first world countries, are going to be edited.
01:47:07.000And then if we think about like where Olympic competition goes, where in the rich countries, The rich people are enhancing their children from birth.
01:47:39.000And, you know, if the Olympics are stuck in this ancient Greek Corinthian values modality, then they're not going to adjust to modern technological and social changes.
01:47:53.000That's actually the vision beyond what we're thinking now about performance enhancements, is that we're going to be the continuous role model or the continuous showcase where human enhancement can go over the next 20 years.
01:48:08.000We're talking now about performance enhancing medications, but maybe in 10 years we're going to have the first people with a chip in their brain.
01:48:16.000Maybe it's going to be There is going to be a continuous sort of pushing the boundaries in a good way where we want to showcase what science can really do positively for humans.
01:48:26.000By the way, fun fact, because we always reference back to the ancient Olympics, they did allow performance enhancements very openly.
01:48:33.000You can go to all the ancient documents.
01:49:02.000If you go into all these documents, and potions, and again, it was very, very archaic, but the notion was, do everything is possible to win.
01:49:13.000And actually, the transgender issue goes back to the ancient Olympics.
01:49:27.000So, you know, a historian told me, and you need to verify it independently.
01:49:32.000That they originally wore clothes, and then, you know, a woman pretended to be a man to compete at the Olympic Games, and then this was found out, so then they just made it all naked.
01:50:51.000They, you know, developed all sorts of problems, ovarian cysts and all sorts of things that were connected to the use of exogenous testosterone at very high levels.
01:51:01.000Yeah, and one of which is a lack of proper scientific research to develop compounds that are performance enhancing specifically for women.
01:51:09.000Right, but you wouldn't stop them from taking testosterone, right?
01:51:15.000So let's talk about combat sports athletes, for example.
01:51:18.000If you had a female combat sports athlete and you allowed that female to compete with other women, but allowed that person to get juiced to the hilt, And go in there, look with a fucking crazy voice, and looking like Vandelay Silva in those pictures,
01:51:35.000or rather, Vitor Belfort in those pictures that we saw.
01:51:39.000I mean, that's, you know, then you're saying to these women, in order to compete, you have to stop being a woman.
01:51:45.000You have to essentially transition, which is what happens to trans men.
01:51:49.000When you take a woman and you give them a shit tote of testosterone, they start growing beards, They become trans men, right?
01:52:46.000It is an individual choice, but all women in the enhanced games will have to make that choice then to become men.
01:52:53.000I actually think there's also an economic rationale here, right?
01:52:57.000So if you're an athlete, particularly in the era of NIL rights and in the era of- What is NIL? Name, image, license, what's happened in the NCAA, right?
01:53:11.000For an athlete, male or female, their physique and their brand are- Attached to each other.
01:53:19.000And so if a female athlete says, you know what, I'm going to take tons and tons of testosterone, she may also be compromising her economic ability to earn by not building a visual brand that is amenable to the market.
01:53:37.000But even easier, like we forgot to mention one thing at the beginning.
01:53:40.000So we have actually three, and by the way, we're still mapping out and sort of phrasing the details, but we have three essential rules.
01:53:46.000Rule number one, which we said at the beginning, it has to be FDA or any other agency globally approved medications.
01:53:53.000Because again, we discussed it at length.
01:53:55.000It's all about data, knowing what you take, what's the risk preferable.
01:54:02.000Which we will require to be public, who is your doctor?
01:54:05.000Think about a Formula One team where you say, who's my chief engineer?
01:54:09.000So this doctor will have a public pressure to not go too far because people will know you're the doctor of that person.
01:54:17.000Right, but we're talking about percentage points in order to win.
01:54:19.000You just have to go a little bit further than everybody else and you have an advantage.
01:54:23.000Wait, third one, but it's still a limiting factor.
01:54:27.000You need to find a doctor who's publicly your doctor, who's not hiding in the shadows, and who's like, I'm responsible for whatever this athlete is taking.
01:54:36.000It's just thinking through safety measures, or how do we sort of make it in a way that people are sort of doing rational decisions.
01:54:46.000Anything, by the way, in life which you take too much of has side effects and has bad ones.
01:54:51.000If you take 20 vodka shots, you're going to be dead, most likely, or 30. There's a number of alcohol, if you take it, you're dead.
01:54:58.000So, alcohol has a lethal toxicity at a certain amount.
01:55:02.000So what we're going to do, the same is like for many of the things we're just discussing, is like if you take too much of it, even if you think you get one point more out of it, you're going to put damage on your body.
01:55:14.000There's always for anything, for testosterone, for human growth hormones, for anabolic steroids.
01:55:19.000How we regulate it is we're going to do a full health check, which the Olympics don't.
01:55:26.000We do it on site with our own doctors so that you can't cheat.
01:55:30.000One of the most important things is an MRI of the heart.
01:55:32.000Because, for example, a lot of anabolic steroids, if you abuse them, so if you take too much to squeeze out the last point, you're gonna have a heart damage somewhere.
01:55:42.000And then you're gonna get disqualified.
01:55:43.000We will not let any person on the field who has a health damage.
01:55:52.000So if you're a woman, And everything you described, I hear you, but I can tell you, I'm not a doctor now and can tell you the exact answer, but if you describe me a woman is taking that much testosterone that she grows a beard and whatever, she's going to have damage to her body and her heart.
01:56:07.000And she's not going to, and that is then, they don't do it because then they would do it for nothing.
01:56:13.000They would arrive and would be disqualified.
01:56:16.000What's the testing involved in the CrossFit Games?
01:56:19.000I believe the CrossFit Games does not have any testing.
01:58:14.000And these therapeutic use exemptions are just abused left, right, and center.
01:58:19.000Look up the case of Bradley Wiggins, the British cyclist, I believe, who had a therapeutic use exemption for asthma and then, you know, forever hid this from even his own teammates.
01:59:23.000And colleagues at that, is like one of the ways to cheat in the Olympics is that they let people do tests, these kind of stuff, in their home country.
01:59:33.000Also, look at how it's described here.
01:59:35.000A long-term study would help distinguish between athletes with asthma who self-select to swimming and those who have asthma as a result of exposure to endurance training practices.
02:00:11.000It could be that swimmers really have more asthma because their training environment or living environment is fostering it, but it also could be that most likely it's both.
02:00:20.000Well, that is one thing that I did consider because chlorine's bad for you.
02:00:25.000And you're probably getting a bunch of it in your mouth.
02:00:28.000And if you're swimming in it, you're also absorbing it through your skin.
02:00:32.000Like, I always think that when I get out of a pool, like, this can't be good.
02:00:36.000You know, it's what came first, the chicken or the egg?