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00:01:03.000I don't think he's aware of so many legitimate, actual conspiracies, meaning where governments and corporations conspire against the American people, lie, twist facts, distort things.
00:01:15.000But Kurt is one of those guys that once he finds out something, You know, because he grew up in a cult, right?
00:01:21.000So he's in a Jehovah's Witness cult when he was young.
00:01:53.000Other controversial cases West was assigned to, including evaluating Sirhan Sirhan, who assassinated Robert F. Kennedy at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles June 5th, 1968. West claimed Sirhan was the subject of psychic driving.
00:02:08.000A mind-altering technique involving hypnosis or paralytic drugs.
00:02:13.000Psychiatrists often use barbiturates for this.
00:03:02.000So he writes it as an article, but then once he starts getting into the information, it's so extensive, it's so crazy, that he can't finish the article.
00:03:09.000Because the article is just an anniversary of the Manson assassinations, the Manson killings.
00:03:58.000Yeah, so they turned hippies into something fucking terrifying.
00:04:01.000So hippies used to be like, oh, she's a flower child.
00:04:05.000Oh, they're peace and love, you know, cute, nice stuff.
00:04:08.000But then they turned hippies into fucking psychotic murderers who cut babies out of movie stars' bellies and paint on the wall, pig, you know, that kind of shit.
00:04:19.000Yeah, Kurt was also telling me about that.
00:04:22.000Like, that's the perfect way to discredit the anti-war movement.
00:04:30.000Yes, the Psychedelic Act of 1970 was passed to go after the Black Panthers, and to go after the civil rights leaders, and to go after the anti-war movement.
00:04:39.000Because those people were all taking drugs.
00:04:41.000So they're eating mushrooms and trying to come to some sort of an understanding of our place in the universe.
00:04:47.000And they said, okay, we're going to take all of these psychedelic compounds that are literally creating a cultural revolution.
00:07:12.000And so there was this place, oh, there was a very derogatory, it was Maxwell Street in Chicago, and they used to call it, I can't say it, because it's anti-Semitic.
00:07:25.000And so we would go down there, and you could walk into all these clothes stores, and you could bargain with them.
00:07:42.000Me and my brothers would all go down there and you'd go into all these stores and you'd put all these clothes together and we'd start bartering.
00:08:43.000But we have a bizarre time where the world is waking up, where people are so much more aware of the corruption and just the way the world works.
00:08:56.000It's more highlighted than it's ever been before.
00:09:21.000I was doing a show the other night at the Hotel Cafe in Hollywood, and I do a joke about Joe Biden, you know, like, why don't they get a dog to leave him off stage, you know, and the people in the crowd, like, they're all like 20-something Hollywood people, and they go, aww.
00:10:24.000And so he's been a joke, always was a joke.
00:10:27.000And this idea, you know, the reason why black and brown had to...
00:10:32.000I had to, you know, tell this to Cornel West when he came on my show.
00:10:36.000Hey, the reason why black and brown people are locked up at way higher rates than their population is because of Joe Biden, not because of Donald Trump.
00:10:42.000Donald Trump actually did the step back, right?
00:10:44.000Which is probably why he's getting 20% of the black vote right now.
00:12:06.000Well, there used to be 50 giant media companies, so there used to be more truth that could get out, but now, because of Bill Clinton and the Telecommunications Act in 1996, we went from 50 giant media companies down to six, meaning that every TV show,
00:12:21.000every newspaper, every magazine, every radio show, it all comes from one of the six companies.
00:12:27.000And that's why journalism sucks so much right now, because journalists used to come from blue-collar backgrounds like me, but now they know they all have to work for one of the six billionaire-owned companies, and so the billionaires handpicked those people from Ivy League schools now, and they're all going to be class loyal.
00:12:44.000And so that's why the whole thing is, you know...
00:12:47.000It's a great time, but also we're pitted against each other now by the media like never before, right?
00:12:52.000Like no matter what the story is, they have their minions in the press reported in a way that makes you hate your neighbor and blame your neighbor and not the guys doing it, right?
00:14:08.000Like, any time there's a gathering, protests, when people get angry and they're marching, I think that ignites in us the same feelings of war.
00:14:17.000And people start doing wild, crazy shit.
00:14:19.000They went after that dude with a skateboard and tried to hit him with a skateboard.
00:14:22.000He ran away from them before he shot him.
00:14:24.000So he shot the first guy who was the pedophile, right?
00:14:27.000And we know that guy had threatened to...
00:14:29.000So he shot and killed two men, wounded another man.
00:14:35.000And the first guy he shot had threatened to kill him all day long, and we know that he attacked him because his fingerprints are on the gun barrel.
00:14:42.000It even says it right there in Wikipedia.
00:17:02.000But that's the, you know, the biggest shocker to me is, like, the bubble that people live in, right?
00:17:10.000And it's like, it's just like with the debate.
00:17:13.000Like, do you think that the lies that the media has been telling?
00:17:17.000I've been saying Joe Biden's been a demented walking death rattle since 2019. And it's because it's been obvious that he's suffering from something.
00:17:26.000If you just saw him in 2019, it wouldn't be as obvious.
00:17:30.000But if you saw him from, like, when he was running for president in 1988, which I did, did I ever tell you about Joe Biden night that we used to have at Stitches?
00:17:39.000Stitches Comedy Club in 1988, we had Joe Biden night.
00:18:14.000But it was open mockery that he was a known plagiarist.
00:18:17.000In 88. In 88. I know that's why this whole, this rehabilitation, it's all because of Trump derangement syndrome.
00:18:24.000They have to pretend like Joe Biden's some kind of guy with integrity and dignity instead of, you know, the horrible criminal anti-worker guy that he's been his whole life.
00:18:31.000He's been anti-student, anti-worker, and he crossed a goddamn railroad strike.
00:18:37.000And everybody just memory holds that, that that happened.
00:18:40.000Like, if Trump did that, it would be on billboards forever.
00:20:46.000I think the media took just as big a hit as Joe Biden did that night.
00:20:50.000Because now, I mean, just a few weeks ago, there's that Joe Scarborough, that mental case on Morning Joe on MSNBC, and he was saying, let me tell you something, and if you don't believe it, F you.
00:21:43.000I'm about to go to dinner with Rob Reiner.
00:21:48.000I've always said, hey, I don't know if I'm better or worse than those people, but no one ever made an offer to buy me out, so I don't know how I would react.
00:21:59.000I don't think it's a buyout or a sellout thing, man.
00:22:38.000Don't you think it's amazing how they fired the Arab reporters and the Muslim reporters at MSNBC because they were telling a little bit of the truth about what's happening or they were confronting people over it?
00:27:29.000So they wanted to get Joe Biden through the primary because now all the delegates are beholden to Joe Biden means they're beholden to the Democratic Party donor class.
00:28:02.000So they're going to have a person at the top of the ticket who nobody voted for, because they're going to choose them at the convention, and nobody voted for this person, and they're saying democracy's on the ballot.
00:29:03.000And I'm like, yeah, the Democrats are going to screw you, and they did.
00:29:06.000And so I don't know exactly how, but it got so untenable that he couldn't run inside, because they would have these different rules that they were just making up just to screw him.
00:29:15.000Do they do this once there's an incumbent, right?
00:29:18.000Once there's a president in place, do they do this because there's so many jobs that are completely dependent upon that guy being in office?
00:29:24.000Not just the Democratic Party, but that guy.
00:29:27.000So if a new guy comes in, like if RFK Jr. comes in, if he wins, then everyone's out of a job.
00:29:56.000So we know that there's no fucking way he's the man behind the machine.
00:30:01.000So that means there's a bunch of people that work for him that are essentially running the country.
00:30:05.000And those people don't want to lose that position, including his wife.
00:30:08.000His wife apparently, by all takes, and she did an interview afterwards, Where she said he's smarter than he's ever been, and I know him, I see him buying clothes.
00:31:04.000Did you fucking get the pertinent information from round one?
00:31:09.000You're like, I need to go over this with a fine-toothed comb.
00:31:11.000Because they kept saying that, oh, because the line now is that Joe might not have answered the questions quickly or loudly, but he was telling the truth.
00:31:21.000His first answer, he lied three times.
00:33:59.000And Donnie Doidge said that, I remember if Bernie Sanders wins, this was back in 2020, if Bernie Sanders wins, I'll have to vote for Trump.
00:34:07.000And Joe Scarborough's like, do you hear what you're saying?
00:34:11.000And Donnie Doidge's like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know why I said that.
00:34:13.000I know why you said that, because you fucking would.
00:38:55.000Remember the FBI, the Comey guy came out and he said, yeah, this is going to sound crazy in a couple of different ways, but yes, we found hundreds of high-level documents, secret classified documents on her server, but we're not going to prosecute her.
00:39:52.000There's a few, but like whenever, with any kind of large organization, there's a lot of competitive people trying to rise to the top, you're going to get unscrupulous fellas.
00:40:31.000You know, I'm sure you saw the video of when Chuck Schumer was on with Rachel Maddow, and he says, well, talking about Trump, that he's being really dumb to criticize the intelligence community, meaning the CIA and the FBI, and Rachel Maddow says,
00:40:47.000And he says, because they've got six ways this Sunday to mess with you back.
00:40:51.000So what he really was saying there, that that was the leading Democrat in the Senate, the leader of the party, he was telling people into a camera that the president, that the CIA and the FBI doesn't work for the president, that he has to worry about them.
00:41:06.000And if they don't work for the president, who the fuck do they work for, Joe?
00:41:22.000It's a natural thing that takes place when any organization gets extreme power.
00:41:27.000And that was supposed to be mitigated, right?
00:41:30.000And this is like the problem that Kennedy had with secret societies.
00:41:33.000This is the problem that Kennedy had with the CIA and what Kennedy had with the NSA. Whenever you get people that are above everything, like this concept of the deep state, you put your tinfoil hat on when you just say the word, deep state.
00:41:45.000Everybody who is not paying attention, people that are just reading mainstream news, you say deep state, they go, oh God, he's a QAnon guy.
00:42:55.000No, I did that once, and it made, because I used to smoke cigarettes, and I'm like, oh, everybody started smoking cigars at one time when I first moved to Los Angeles.
00:44:57.000They say that when your addiction starts, you get locked into that level of maturity that you're at until your addiction ends.
00:45:04.000Yes, and then you start growing, but now you're growing in a confused state, and you've also got this anxiety that's sometimes crippling because if you wasted a giant chunk of your life and not made any progress, and here you are a beginner at 35 years old, and you're out here in the world trying to get a regular job at 35,
00:45:22.000and nobody wants to hire you because you've been in 15 rehabilitation centers, and you got locked up for steel and hubcaps, catalytic converters, or whatever.
00:45:31.000The thing that it does to you is it separates you from normal reality.
00:45:37.000And that could be a positive or a negative.
00:45:38.000If you have discipline and control and you're present and you really spend a lot of time thinking alone by yourself and meditating, you can use things to alter your state of consciousness to achieve new thoughts.
00:46:01.000It took me from being, I was a very narrow and rigid comedian, and then it opened me up, and it made me a much better comedian is all I can say, and it worked for a long time.
00:46:13.000And it didn't, like, take away my discipline.
00:46:16.000Like, I still had lots of discipline comedically, and then doing my, when I started my podcast in 2008 or 9, and then my radio show, and then, so it never, I was always...
00:49:47.000And so what he did, so during those four years, he then spent the rest of his life trying to explain to people what he had learned in those four years in ways that they could understand it.
00:50:02.000And so that's what the rest of his life was about.
00:50:04.000And I remember they asked him, do you believe in God?
00:50:08.000He says, I don't believe in God, I know.
00:50:10.000And I was like, man, that's badass when you can say shit like that.
00:50:13.000And so anyway, I started to get into this.
00:50:16.000And so he figured out that we have a collective unconscious because he would see these symbols in his dreams.
00:50:22.000And he knew that they were meaningful, but he didn't know what they meant.
00:50:26.000And then he started to study alchemy, which alchemy isn't what you think it is.
00:50:31.000Alchemy was about turning a psychological lead into psychological gold, and they were onto a lot of shit.
00:50:37.000And they had to keep it secret because of the church, I guess, and so they had to speak in code, kind of.
00:50:42.000And so he started to read alchemy, and he started to see these symbols that were in his dreams that they had written about, and they had already figured out what it meant.
00:50:50.000And he was like, well, how the fuck...
00:51:38.000Jungian analyst who helps me decipher what my dreams mean.
00:51:42.000And he said, you know, that's an archetypal god and that was them telling you it's time for you to go into the jungle of your unconscious, but you'll be safe if you longer...
00:51:53.000And I was like, oh, so then a month later I'm reading this book and there's that fucking thing, the ape with the lion.
00:54:55.000Because, you know, it was like, you know, my Jungian analyst refers to it as, you know, you're on a crucifix right now, and the only thing you can do is hold, maintain, don't make a decision, don't do one thing or the other, just hold, and then something will appear.
00:56:49.000So Carl Jung's all about projection, that we're projecting all the time, and that's how we get to know ourselves, right?
00:56:54.000So like when you fall in love with someone, his big one is that you have a feminine side inside of you, and it's called your anima, if you're a guy.
00:57:01.000And if you're a female, you have a male, and that's called your animus.
00:57:04.000And when you fall in love with someone like, oh, you know that thing like, oh my God, I can't live without this person.
00:57:10.000This is the thing that I've been looking for in my...
00:57:11.000That's when you project that part of yourself, it's in your unconscious, onto that person.
00:57:17.000And so that's a real religious experience, because you're rejoining, religion meaning to rejoin, you're joining your conscious self with your unconscious self, and that's why it feels like you're being stimulated from the inside, because you are.
00:57:31.000And you feel this oneness and this wholeness, and if I lose this person, I'll die.
00:58:42.000And so to the point where if I'm going to have a session with my Jungian analysis, I'll take a nap, and I know I'll have a dream or two, and I'll wake up and we talk about them.
00:58:52.000I'm a good dreamer, especially when you quit smoking pot.
00:59:16.000I think dreams are spiritual, whatever is in your spirit, whatever is, it's God, for lack of a better term, trying to communicate with you and talk to you through symbols.
00:59:55.000And luckily enough, I've been having experiences of the divine through my dreams and my dream analysis And then I also see it when you see synchronicities.
01:00:06.000Carl Jung talked about synchronicities, which are coincidences that have meaning.
01:00:14.000And once you start to look for them, it's like when you buy a new car, you see that car everywhere.
01:00:21.000It's like once you start to look for synchronicities, they start to happen.
01:00:25.000So then it's like I'm constantly in communication with God.
01:00:31.000For lack of a better word, that's how I feel about it, right?
01:00:34.000And so everything that happens in my dreams and in my waking life comes from the same consciousness.
01:00:39.000Carl Jung said that the future is set up by your unconscious long in advance, which is why it can be guessed at by clairvoyance.
01:00:49.000So anyway, so this book, the Red Book, that he wrote down his experiences for those four years where he could give himself like a mushroom trip, it finally got published in 2010. And I'm not even able to read it.
01:01:01.000Like, I just look at it and it's just like super confusing and it looks like crazy talk.
01:01:05.000So what I do is I read books that he wrote up after he had that experience.
01:01:13.000And I read books by other Jungian scholars explaining shit because it's...
01:01:22.000I was reading a book called The Mysterium Canuncho that he wrote, and it took me like a week, just the opening paragraph, just to keep going, like, what the fuck?
01:01:31.000Yeah, I tried reading his book on flying saucers.
01:02:09.000Okay, let's just say, in the late 50s, the height of the popular fascination with UFOs, flying saucers, is the great psychologist's brilliant, prescient meditation on the phenomenon that gripped the world.
01:02:19.000A self-confessed skeptic in such matters, Jung was nevertheless intrigued, not so much by their reality or unreality, but by their psychic aspect.
01:02:28.000He saw flying saucers as a modern myth in the making to be passed down the generations just as we have received such myths from our ancestors.
01:02:36.000In this wonderful and enlightening book, Jung sees UFOs as visionary rumors, the center of a quasi-religious cult, and carriers of our technological and salvationist fantasies.
01:02:48.000Forty years later, with entire religions based on the writings of science fiction authors, it is remarkable to see just how right he has proved to be.
01:03:50.000Once you can make your ego subservient to the transpersonal self and your unconscious, that's the key to life, realizing that you're just...
01:04:00.000The way I describe it to people is that we're all part of consciousness.
01:04:05.000Consciousness is an ocean, and then there's a huge wave.
01:04:08.000The part of the consciousness we see is the wave, right?
01:04:18.000All I can do is try to surf it as best I can.
01:04:21.000And by making your ego subservient and keeping your eye on the transpersonal center, which is what Carl Jung talks about, that's kind of the key.
01:04:34.000Unless you experience it, it's hard to understand.
01:04:40.000It's like trying to explain a DMT trip, I'm guessing.
01:04:42.000I've never done DMT. It does make sense that a person like that, that is trying to understand how the human mind works, would have to take into account all sorts of bizarre things like UFO sightings, psychic experiences, dream states,
01:05:17.000Google holotropic breathing so you can get, I don't butcher the definition of it, but also a lot of people do breathing exercises in sensory deprivation tanks, which provides very vivid psychedelic experiences with no drugs at all.
01:05:33.000I did my first breathing exercise ever this morning.
01:05:37.000This is just talking about the study of it.
01:06:21.000Vigorous modality known as holotropic breathwork is offered at the end of an eight month training, eight months before they get you the holotropic breathing, to provide a lawful taste of the therapeutic potential and pitfalls of altered states of consciousness.
01:06:34.000So Dr. J.J. Purcell, a naturopathic doctor from Oregon, was amongst the trainees who walked into the early October session skeptical that a couple hours of intense breathing could induce anything close to a psychedelic trip, but she was stunned.
01:06:49.000The depth of what I experienced was so similar to psilocybin, Dr. Purcell marveled, referring to the psychoactive compound in magic mushrooms.
01:08:53.000You have to practice it for a long time.
01:08:55.000But they have a specific type of nodding and bobbing they do with intense breath work.
01:09:00.000That gets you to this endogenous dump of psychedelic chemicals.
01:09:04.000So one of the reasons why it's so insane that that sweeping 1970s psychedelic drug act took place Is not just that they used it to target civil rights leaders and anti-war movement people and the Black Panthers and anybody that was inconvenient,
01:09:20.000but also that it stopped us from being able to explore what these things are.
01:09:25.000So one of the terms that psychedelics use, that people, when they talk about psychedelics, it's one of the more lofty terms, is entheogen.
01:09:32.000And what entheogen means, essentially, it's like this is something that connects you to God.
01:09:41.000What is the actual – what's the literal translation of entheogen?
01:09:45.000But that this is what they think – here it is – a chemical substance, typically a plant origins, that is ingested to produce a non-ordinary state of consciousness for religious or spiritual purposes.
01:09:59.000I think that's what most religions are based on.
01:10:03.000I think they're based on either an understanding of how to achieve psychedelic states endogenously or people coming into contact with psilocybin, Amanita Muscaria.
01:10:15.000There's a variety of different things that they probably came in contact with.
01:10:19.000There's scholars out of Jerusalem now that believe that The interpretation from Moses in the burning bush, that that burning bush was probably the acacia tree, and the acacia tree is rich in DMT. Now, it just completely makes sense that burning a bush that is rich in DMT would connect Moses to God,
01:10:40.000and God would give Moses these commandments for how mankind should live.
01:11:54.000I think we operate under the biological dimension.
01:11:57.000That's where our thing moves around, under the biological dimension.
01:12:02.000And all of our senses are tuned into the biological dimension because it involves injury and death and illness and crime and injustice and all these different things that can get you all ramped up in the biological dimension.
01:12:15.000But we're also connected to something else.
01:13:00.000I think they're chemical gateways into other dimensions, into some other realm that you cannot get there with this thing that's worried about, oh, I'm getting a belly.
01:14:22.000Trump, like when you see people who have Trump derangement syndrome, that's because they're projecting that part of themselves that is like Trump onto him.
01:14:32.000And that when you have a big reaction to something external, whether it's you love something intensely or you hate something intensely, that tells you it's about you.
01:14:48.000It was because Barack Obama bailed out the banks and kicked 5.1 million families out of their homes and then went on to give us a right-wing fucking healthcare plan that was a giveaway to Big Pharma and insurance company and he didn't really help.
01:15:00.000That's what laid the groundwork for people to go for someone like Trump.
01:15:38.000Now, Kurt's convinced that Robert De Niro's on some kind of Epstein list or some kind of thing like that, and then he's afraid that if Trump does get power, he's going to expose him, and he is actually going to come at him.
01:16:22.000I think the only friends they have are Hollywood phonies.
01:16:24.000And so you're in this weird world where everybody you talk to is a phony, and you become a phony, and everyone's a phony, and your grasp on reality is very slippery, and your eyes are going, right?
01:16:33.000So your vision of the world, your actual vision of the world, your ability to read a phone.
01:16:38.000You ever see old people's text messages?
01:16:40.000The fucking text on their phone is like as big as my hand?
01:16:43.000And so your vision of the world is blurring, literally and figuratively, and then you're getting old, and when old people are tired and cranky, They just want everyone to listen to them and they don't have time to have a calm conversation and you state out your opinion.
01:17:03.000He's being this old grumpy man that is so lost that he thinks it's a good idea to stand in front of a bunch of people on the street and give a speech on camera about how bad Donald Trump is.
01:17:16.000With all the shit that's going in the world.
01:18:35.000Nobody still to this day knows about the Maidan coup, that the United States got in bed with right-wing Nazis in Ukraine to overthrow democratically elected government.
01:18:43.000And then they started bombing the people in the east of Ukraine, called the Donbass, and they wouldn't stop.
01:18:49.000They had two peace agreements called the Minsk Accords.
01:18:54.000And so, you know, I've heard people say that.
01:18:58.000And then, of course, it was the expansion of NATO, right?
01:19:00.000The threat of putting NATO on the border of Russia, which everybody from Kissinger to Chomsky and everybody in between said, that's a mistake.
01:22:24.000Excuse me, I don't think you've read that our military aid to Ukraine is revitalizing manufacturing communities across the In the United States.
01:22:30.000The most inefficient way to stimulate economy is military spending.
01:23:34.000And when I was at the Young Turks, I would tell those people, those knuckleheads at the Young Turks, when they were Russiagating, I'd go, you know they're going to use this for a war.
01:23:42.000And that's exactly what, they knew they were doing that.
01:23:45.000They knew that they were getting people mentally ready for a war with Russia.
01:23:50.000And right now it's a proxy war with Russia.
01:24:21.000You know, when people in China watch the news, they know it's propaganda.
01:24:23.000In the old Soviet Union, people knew that was propaganda.
01:24:26.000The difference between that and now is people in America, they think they're watching the news when they turn on Fox, CNN, MSNBC. And isn't it weird?
01:24:34.000It never clicks to anybody that when Rachel Maddow and Sean Hannity are telling you the same thing about Ukraine, my spidey sense is like, oh, this is fucking bullshit.
01:24:46.000Yes, when they're telling you the same thing about COVID or vaccines or lockdown, doesn't your spidey senses go out that this has got to be bullshit?
01:24:55.000So they all agree, again, just like the Republicans and Democrats, they all agree on the worst of things, right?
01:25:33.000And I think shows like yours and these shows that are online now that aren't beholden to a corporation, that are independent shows, that can actually connect the dots with knowledgeable people that actually understand the history behind everything.
01:26:37.000I knew because Robert Fisk had done reporting on the ground.
01:26:40.000He was one of the most decorated war reporters in Europe.
01:26:43.000And it didn't make any sense on its face that Assad, who was winning the war at the time, would do the one thing Barack Obama said if he crossed that red line and used chemical weapons.
01:28:02.000And Russiagate, I knew immediately Russiagate was bullshit, because I brought on Bill Binney, who was the number, NSA's number one code breaker for decades and decades, and he came on and he explained to me that they didn't hack into that DNC server that was downloaded locally,
01:28:18.000And now we know that, how much shit, they wrote a smear piece about me in the Washington Post, because I was asking logical questions about what happened with Seth Rich.
01:28:29.000Hey, where was he from the time he left the bar to the time he got home?
01:28:32.000You're not allowed to ask ethical questions about a guy that WikiLeaks said leaked them information that DNC was conspiring to keep Bernie Sanders out of the primary.
01:29:18.000In fact, the head of the Washington Post went into the newsroom, this is like a month ago, and I don't know how it got leaked out that he said, hey, nobody's reading your shit anymore.
01:29:30.000People are done with the corporate news, hopefully.
01:29:32.000Well, that's why you saw that I can't think of her name, that idiot from the Washington Post who covers social media.
01:30:12.000People don't think that independent news can replace it, but I 100% think it can.
01:30:17.000And I think it has more of a likelihood of doing that because if you can get independent journalists that now they can develop substacks and podcasts and they can go and do things on their own and they get funded They don't need anyone else anymore,
01:30:32.000so then they can tell the truth, right?
01:30:34.000So they're not beholden to some enormous corporation.
01:30:36.000If a podcast had a building like CNN's building in Atlanta, I'd start getting nervous.
01:30:41.000I'd be like, hey, how much overhead is this?
01:31:00.000Imagine a show that gets a podcast that gets that few views, but as who knows how many hundreds of employees, giant buildings, They're on an airport, so you get zero views.
01:31:21.000It's as good as Joe Scarborough talking.
01:31:23.000So I got invited on that show, and I turned it down a few times, and my assistant was like, hey, look, they really want you to do this show.
01:31:31.000And so I was talking to my friend Jackson Hinkle, and I said, yeah, Don Lemon keeps inviting me on the show.
01:31:36.000And I'm like, it would just be me trying to insult him, you know?
01:31:39.000It would just be me saying how shitty he is and how he's the, you know, because I had just gotten done doing a rant about Chris Cuomo talking about ivermectin, but still lying about it.
01:31:48.000And he goes, yeah, that would be fun to watch you do that.
01:32:37.000He probably went to, you know, putting Jimmy Dore on Twitter and that comes up.
01:32:41.000Well, he should be, if he wants to become successful, being an independent person, he's going to have to engage in conversations with people he disagrees with.
01:32:48.000He still calls the truth about COVID conspiracy theories.
01:33:23.000It's just so – the idea that these talking heads who they had on CNN should be some sort of a moral compass and an ethical compass for the rest of us is so fucking stupid and so insulting,
01:33:39.000especially when you see these people on their own.
01:33:41.000So when you see these people on their own, like when you see Dave Smith – Debating Chris Cuomo and just fucking nuking him.
01:33:47.000And then you see Don Lemon doing his show and you go, okay, this is who you guys are.
01:34:52.000And so I travel around the country and nobody's fucking heard of Rumble.
01:34:56.000I mean, except- More people have now than ever before.
01:34:59.000People are starting, and so I tried to talk to them, and they're like, hey, why don't you finance a show and a soundstage for me, and we could compete with Bill Maher, and instead of real time, we'll call it rumble time, and we'll put a billboard up in Times Square right across the street from where Bill does his fucking show, and this would be like- It's a good idea.
01:35:16.000And they were on board, but I guess it was too much money.
01:37:07.000Human beings or if it's groups of its foreign groups They will concoct a fake narrative and try to get people to share it Like they'll try to fool people into sharing a fake version of some real thing that happened and I think they do that to undermine people that are conspiracy theorists that are occasionally correct and So if you can get a conspiracy theorist who's occasionally correct and get them a bunch of bad information,
01:37:35.000foolish information, and convince them on a website, polls, get a bunch of people involved that also believe it, you know, I think that's where Flat Earth got started.
01:37:43.000And you get all these people, like, sharing things and believing things, and then if this person, they take the bait, and they'll go, this is what we're hearing.
01:38:02.000You know, the guy was drinking like crazy and, you know, when you're uncovering real conspiracies all day long every day, which is what he does.
01:38:43.000The news, when they were lying about certain things, how much damage did they do?
01:38:48.000I've always said this, that imagine if...
01:38:51.000The news people were skeptical about the vaccine.
01:38:54.000The news people were skeptical about not being able to use off-label medications at a doctor's discretion, especially ones that have been actually shown to stop viral replication in vitro.
01:39:06.000And there's a history of success in using these things in other countries.
01:39:11.000There's a bunch of different things that were going on simultaneously, and yet they're still being stopped.
01:39:16.000Wouldn't the real news imagine, if the real news is like, hold on, it seems like there's special interests involved here, and there's a financial incentive to push this one thing, which is what they have to do in order to get the Emergency Use Authorization Act.
01:39:30.000There can't be any valid pharmaceutical drugs that are available currently that we could prescribe.
01:39:36.000That's the only way you can get some new thing to pass through.
01:40:11.000That would be the misinformation that they would feed us to get us to say stupid shit so that we would endanger people's lives and ruin people's health and they would shut us down.
01:41:08.000If you give them to enough people, you're going to have side effects.
01:41:10.000And then when you have a new one, and then when you understand how they're allowed to do studies, and how they're allowed to throw out all the studies that show it does harm, or it doesn't work, or it's not effective, and then you fucking finagle the numbers in a way that you can push it, I think we're going to see a real improvement here.
01:41:42.000So, what I say is that when you see Boeing advertising on Meet the Press or Pfizer advertising on CNN, they're not funding the news organization's investigation.
01:41:53.000They're funding their non-investigation.
01:41:59.000And the people who do, like my friend Anita Krishna in Canada, she worked for a, I forget the name of the global news, or some big news network in Canada, and so she started to ask just regular questions.
01:46:21.000And so I was trying to get some of this, right?
01:46:23.000You can only get it underground, right?
01:46:25.000So there's certain doctors that make it in certain parts of the country, and they give it to soldiers who have PTSD. And they do it, but if they get caught, they're in trouble, because they made it a Schedule I drug.
01:47:14.000It's sold in some countries as a sleeping pill, but it's illegal in the United States because it can cause extreme drowsiness or blackouts often used in date rapes.
01:50:25.000The crazy thing is doctors buying into it.
01:50:29.000And when you realize that you can't trust them for medical advice, you're like, wait, what?
01:50:33.000When you have a doctor telling you that you should get vaccinated after you just got over being sick, and you were only sick for a couple days, and you have two people that you know that had strokes from the vaccine, and you're like, wait, what?
01:50:45.000Who gets vaccinated for a virus they already had and got over?
01:51:37.000It's signaling to your tribe that you are compliant, you're a part of the groupthink, and then attacking the people that are above you that are doing more successfully, that are more successful with their career than you.
01:52:15.000Isn't it amazing that every day there's a new study from South Korea that just came out that said there's a link between the COVID vax and Alzheimer's, right?
01:52:54.000My friend Brian Simpson has a brilliant joke about it, and I'm not going to quote it, but what he's essentially saying is that it appears that this is a liberal city because you're surrounded by red Texas.
01:53:06.000But the liberal here is regular liberal.
01:53:28.000Like, one of the things they always say about Austin is keep Austin weird and surrounded.
01:53:34.000So when people say weird, weird is okay, but keep it weird and surrounded.
01:53:38.000You're surrounded by ranchers with guns.
01:53:41.000It's fucking hard-working people that aren't buying any bullshit because they get up at 530 in the morning to take care of their cows like they're not fucking around here, man These are there's a different kind of people and they're nice and they're informed and that's the thing about this town that's different It's like it's it's they're much more informed.
01:53:58.000You're gonna get your liberal loonies here You get your people walking on the street with masks on you get you get a lot of crazy shit here you get your free Palestine Marches and you know you get a lot of nutty people but It's a more tempered environment.
01:54:40.000I'll have a dream where one of my biggest haters, someone who attacks me on public and social media and stuff like that, I'll meet them in my dream and I don't have any animosity but what I can see in them is where their hatred for me comes from and it comes from their pain and their insecurity and a lot of time it's jealousy like you were saying and I can see it And so I don't have any animosity towards them in my dream,
02:00:42.000When the news is controlled by giant corporations, that is an uncomfortable truth.
02:00:48.000That is a real problem, having that narrative out there that there's someone out there that can get healthy without taking this thing that we're telling everybody they have to take.
02:00:57.000But if it worked, why would you care if I took it if you took it?
02:01:29.000Well, you know, we didn't know that it had a low fatality rate, the virus had a low fatality rate, and that the vaccine, it wasn't long-lasting, and it didn't block transmission or contraction, and so we gotta do better.
02:03:53.000So they put Julian Assange in prison, right, in Belmarsh, and Rachel Maddow does Russiagate, lies about Ukraine, lies about Libya, lies about Syria, and she gets $100,000 a day.
02:04:06.000I'm glad you brought up Julian Assange, because what did he have to do to get free?
02:04:10.000So he had to admit that he committed one felony.
02:04:35.000And it looks like they knew they were going to let him out, because when they let him out, he had a little bit of weight on him.
02:04:39.000It looked like he wasn't as frail as he once was.
02:04:41.000Oh, like they think they were feeding him good?
02:04:43.000They looked like, hey, start sending him three meals a day, get him all the steak and everything, so when we let him go, he doesn't look horrible.
02:05:42.000Why wouldn't someone like Mark Cuban, who brags about he loves his jet collection, like why wouldn't he just send a jet over there to take care of him?
02:05:50.000He's busy arguing with people on Twitter.
02:06:00.000Rav Avora, this young kid who's a journalist who's really good, and he's gone back and forth with them to the point where Mark Cuban has to step out of the chat.
02:06:54.000If you're in conflict, and you're trying to get one up on the person in every fucking tweet, and you're checking your Twitter every five minutes to see who's responded and how it's doing.
02:07:20.000Even though you're yelling and screaming at a person right in front of you, that feels bad too.
02:07:23.000You should be able to, as a grown adult, have a civil conversation with people where you could disagree with, even really disagree with something, but just keep a professional, polite tone.
02:09:37.000Isn't it that's the opposite of what I thought the gay movement was all about?
02:09:41.000Well, it's the opposite of what the progressive movement is supposed to be all about.
02:09:43.000The progressive movement is all supposed to be about intelligent, well-educated, compassionate people that have a better perspective of how things are and what causes people to live in unfortunate circumstances and the inefficiencies of so many government organizations and the importance of the working class community.
02:10:03.000That's what it's supposed to be about.
02:10:05.000Being kind and helping people and supporting workers and rights and all those things.
02:10:13.000But the problem is, with any ideology, if you have to have a rigid adherence, To whatever the ideology states, whatever the doctrine is, that can shift to the point where it's no longer even a progressive value and you call yourself a progressive, yet you support all these ideas.
02:11:21.000And there's two cults in this country.
02:11:23.000There's the right-wing cult and the left-wing cult.
02:11:25.000And there's a bunch of people that are centrists.
02:11:27.000There's a bunch of people that have like a little bit of this and a little bit of that, and they're kind of in the middle, and they're kind of like a left-leaning conservative or right-leaning progressive, and they're confused, and they don't know what to think.
02:11:38.000And I think the majority of people are kind of really, if you isolated them and get them out of their tribal thinking, the way they look at the world, if it could be explained to them in a kind way, most people are in the center.
02:11:55.000But the people on the far left are so fucking crazy, and the people that are on the far right are so fucking crazy, that if you're on the left, you see the people on the far right, well, I'm not that fucking person, so I must be on the left.
02:12:06.000And then if you're on the right and you go, yeah, but I'm kind of like pretty open-minded when it comes to a lot of social issues.
02:12:11.000But then you see Antifa, you go, well, what the fuck?
02:12:51.000And the thing is that people don't realize, I've told you this before, when people say, oh we have to organize along class lines, that means organizing with Trumpers!
02:13:34.000I figured this out when I saw that Larry Fink, the head of BlackRock, talk about enforcing ESG and DEI. And so that's because those companies are the ones who are raping the planet and screwing everybody.
02:14:35.000And then while we're in the middle of these international conflicts that are baffling to everybody involved, and you're wondering how they have all this money to do that, but they don't have any money to address all the problems that we have.
02:17:22.000Oil and gasoline, the kind of heat that you get off of a burning vehicle is extraordinary.
02:17:29.000Fires are one thing, like a wood fire, but a fire of a car that's filled with 30 gallons of gas and has rubber tires, that heat is fucking extraordinary.
02:18:06.000Yeah, fire from gasoline and everything in a car is made out of plastic.
02:18:11.000Think about if you have vinyl seats and plastic grommets and all these different plastic pieces that are on your sides, you know, your A columns and all that's plastic.
02:18:53.000I think there has to be a, you know, like you say, there's an awakening of people realizing that they're being screwed over by a billionaire class.
02:19:46.000You know, like January 6th, which was, you know, freaking instigated by the FBI. We know that.
02:19:51.000I'd love to see the guy who was the congressman.
02:19:54.000He was interviewing the head, Christopher Wray, the head of the FBI. And he said, did you have any FBI assets inside the Capitol before the breach dressed up like MAGA people?
02:20:11.000So that was an attempt to criminalize Trump and criminalize his political movement.
02:20:19.000The same grand jury, the same RICO statute that they used to indict Donald Trump in Atlanta, they used to also, same RICO statute, same grand jury, to indict the Stop Cop City protesters.
02:20:30.000And, you know, when I made that case to Cornel West, I go, do you see the game that's being played now?
02:20:34.000Because they're not only criminalizing their political opponents in the United States, they're doing that all around the world.
02:21:24.000So that's what, so I think people need to wake up to that and wake up to, if anybody, you know, if anybody catches on fire and that is a problem for the establishment, they criminalize.
02:21:35.000Look what they did to the goddamn Russell Brand, for fuck's sake.
02:21:57.000We've already, this whole idea that somehow he's, isn't that kind of mind-blowing?
02:22:03.000How do people not, well, Andrew Cuomo was on the Bill Maher show, and he admitted that they should have never brought that case, and that if he was the Attorney General, he would have never did it.
02:22:12.000And the only reason that case was ever brought was because it was, Donald Trump was the center of it.
02:22:38.000He's acting on a bunch of different experts that are telling him what to do, including letting people that have COVID back in the nursing homes, which turns out to be devastating.
02:26:33.000I've been told by, I have a billionaire friend who's like a donor.
02:26:37.000They go, hey, they had a big donor meeting in Denver, like 40 of the top Democratic donors, and they said, who here wants to get rid of Joe Biden?
02:26:49.000And I think she knows the way to get Trump back in the White House and straighten this country out is to keep her husband, Joe Biden, running.
02:27:02.000What conspiratorially, pretend to be Kurt Metzger for a moment, and what do you think?
02:27:07.000If you had to say, why would she want him in?
02:27:10.000You would say, well, because she thinks maybe he can win, even though he's demented, and maybe she can stay in power, but also maybe he doesn't get prosecuted.
02:27:19.000So this is my question about the recent Supreme Court ruling about the presidential immunity.
02:27:25.000If I was in the Democratic Party and I looked at what's going on with Donald Trump, and I looked at the very real possibility that Donald Trump might get back into the White House, I would say, listen, all this Burisma stuff, this is big-time shit.
02:27:44.000Not a little bit of evidence, like the Trump thing.
02:27:46.000Not 34 charges of felonies, which is just a misdemeanor, that's just 34 different checks he wrote for a porn star, which is, what a cheap bastard.
02:31:12.000Just the way they spoke with each other.
02:31:14.000There's a video that shows the contrast between Mitt Romney and Barack Obama speaking so cordially and professionally and graciously to each other in 2012 and then 2024 with Trump and Biden going at each other.
02:32:42.000Well, because the young people are all, you know, there's all a bunch of ex-girlfriends and ex-husbands out there that are talking shit about them and they're terrified to run.
02:32:51.000And if they have real leadership qualities, they probably have a bunch of disgruntled former employees and a bunch of people they can call upon.
02:35:03.000Just the other day I saw a video, I tweeted it out that he says he thinks he has Lewy body disorder, which is what I think Robin Williams said.
02:35:12.000And he talks about all the different things that people will mistake it for Alzheimer's and will mistake it for Parkinson's, but it's really this Lewy body disorder thing.
02:35:35.000It's like all these people, even like Pierre Corey, he's like, I didn't realize how corrupt the medical field is and how they control the medical journals and they can just make a study that will disprove a drug is good and they'll just do it wrong, say it's bad.
02:39:09.000In 1973, he says, he was smoking joints before breakfast, drinking 20 beers a day, and sharing a heavy cocaine habit with Brenda, a freelance talent coordinator for Hollywood production companies.
02:39:34.000And she talks about how his last special, when she walked into the green room, and he turned around, it was like he had aged 10 years from the last time she had seen him, and he looked like this old man, and he was shorter, and he was bent over, and...
02:39:48.000And yeah, he did seem like Biden, how Biden aged like that.
02:39:51.000It seemed like that happened with him.
02:39:53.000Well, everybody that I know that did heavy coke in the 70s, by the time the 90s rolled around, they were fucked.
02:41:14.000I'd have to set my alarm for like a half hour before I had to get out of bed and I would take them and then wait for them to kick in so I could get out of bed.
02:42:07.000So it's funny, like, I'll do two shows, and so the first show is sober, and then the second show, I remember I was in Chicago doing a live show with the video, and the second show, I was a little hammered.