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00:00:38.000I used to do them for a while, though.
00:00:40.000When I was a kid, when I used to do martial arts, there was this dude I used to work out with named Bob Caffarella, and he was like a real psycho.
00:00:45.000And Bob used to always take cold showers.
00:02:42.000Because there's a thing, there's a part in your brain, Andrew Huberman has talked about this, I forget what it's actually called, but there's a part of your brain that actually grows when you force yourself into do difficult things.
00:02:54.000Like, say if you're a person who likes to run, and you force yourself, I'm going to run five miles every morning for 60 days.
00:06:52.000Because you could always, at any moment in time, I could either be bored, I could be having a conversation that's boring, or I could be doing something boring, or I can just log in and have a death match one-on-one with some dude from fucking Denmark.
00:08:53.000This is not the one that I read, because this is from February.
00:08:55.000The one I read was just a couple of days ago.
00:08:57.000But, symptoms of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder such as impulsivity may have helped foragers and hunter-gatherer communities quickly move on to new areas when food sources were low.
00:11:07.000Did you ever see that video of the lady who's on pills and the cops are telling her to pull over and she doesn't know why and she has no wheel on her car?
00:12:56.000She might be making it up, but she might be telling the truth, which makes sense, where you're like, your whole world is like, what is life?
00:13:03.000I'm gonna die real soon, and they can't fix this, and you're just, the car's fucking up, and you don't even care.
00:13:21.000I did a show once when I was younger, and when you start, I guess I still have dark jokes, but I'm having some joke about SIDS, you know, the sudden infant death.
00:13:30.000And I was doing it, it was like some pizza shop in my hometown, in an audience, and one person in the audience looked really upset.
00:13:38.000And they were like, our kid died of SIDS. And I immediately went into like, when you were starting out, I just went into the oldest, safest material.
00:14:45.000But the only way they're going to find out that's the kind of stuff you do is if you take those risks and do that kind of stuff and get in trouble.
00:15:23.000Because there's times when you're on stage and you're saying things and you have a new bit and you don't know where you're taking it while you're taking it.
00:15:55.000And then second, the stuff that he was saying, if you know him and you know his act, and I guarantee you fucking do, because a lot of those people are just haters.
00:16:52.000There's too many people that got into it from something else, and they did stand-up in the beginning, and then they got into it again, they considered themselves stand-ups, and then they'll come out and criticize something like this.
00:17:01.000And you go, just shut the fuck up, man.
00:18:09.000Watching someone come up with an initial premise, and maybe they come in the green room, we're all brainstorming, trying to figure out what part is...
00:18:38.000And this is a problem that open micers have in beginning comics, is they started doing a bit a very certain way, so they're kind of comfortable saying it that way.
00:18:46.000And they're uncomfortable on stage already.
00:18:53.000One of the things Louie taught me, or not taught me, but something I understood, but he really articulated it, is like, the enemy of comedy is roteness.
00:22:08.000It never hits a 10. Sometimes you keep them in if they make a point, if they're bizarrely ironic or there's something about it where you're like, it's worth it, even though it's not the funniest joke.
00:22:55.000I did a release an hour a couple months ago, and so I'm trying to work out a new hour.
00:23:00.000It's tough when you have that, because there's a lot of jokes you just probably don't care about that much, but you need it in there just for the...
00:23:37.000It's all just, you know, crazy manifestos and jokes.
00:23:40.000I think that's, it's like one of the things that I found when I had to do this live special was that I had to really go over my shit, like with a fine tooth comb.
00:23:49.000So I wound up writing out all my bits that I've done hundreds of times.
00:23:53.000Write them out exactly, word for word, just drill it into my head.
00:23:57.000And then I was preparing for this, I was like, I should probably be doing this all the time.
00:24:02.000I should probably be doing not just when I'm getting ready for a special, but I should probably be doing comedy this way.
00:24:07.000It's like whatever I've done late night, I start really analyzing the jokes and cutting them and be like, oh, if I did this all the time, I'd be pretty good.
00:24:18.000That word does not work there, but it's just because I'm doing it on late nights.
00:24:21.000So I'm like, but then normally I'm like, whatever.
00:27:04.000Definitely writing a lot and definitely listening to your sets is so important because there's so many comics that go up all the time, but they're delusional and they don't get better because they're not realizing that it's not working.
00:27:16.000Yeah, you've got to analyze yourself like a hater.
00:30:06.000So this was a totally unique thing that you have to take in the context of 1963. Some of the most groundbreaking stuff feels the most dated later, because it is so groundbreaking that everyone, the model changed.
00:30:19.000The whole world changed the way they think about things, and then talking about things openly the way he did became normal.
00:32:13.000I wish I could make a movie about the making of Wizard of Oz and that would show the beauty of the movie but also how horrible behind the scenes were.
00:33:20.000Nobody told them anything because they would lick the tip of their brush because they were doing these very delicate loom dials on watches.
00:34:16.000You ever see the one where it's like an old western and the guy is spanking his wife and the kid comes along and says, I know why you're spanking mommy.
00:36:50.000That's where you do the whole service in English, and you have to read part of the Bible, which in conservative you do in Hebrew, but in reform you do in English.
00:43:00.000Like when Hicks would talk about things, he would talk about things like, you know, everybody's stupid.
00:43:03.000Like, this is why, and I'm telling you how it should be.
00:43:07.000And that's what people didn't like about it.
00:43:09.000But that was also a great way to get some of those points across.
00:43:14.000Like, there were some points that that's really kind of the only way, if you want to deliver it the way he does it, it's really kind of the only way you can do it.
00:43:20.000Well, it's also funny to see a crazy person on stage, just someone who's like, you know, that's hilarious.
00:43:24.000Like, he is a funny character, and I do think he has great misdirects, like, just great jokes that go beyond, like, what ideology he's, like, you know, professing, you know?
00:43:59.000And when you listen to it now, a lot of it...
00:44:01.000It's kind of what a lot of good comedy is, where you take a hot-button issue, but then you just have a joke that's just kind of about something else.
00:46:19.000No, I'm a hypocrite because I took my kids to them because I want my kids to be able to see these animals because it's kind of cool to see a two-year-old staring at a hippo.
00:47:44.000I get it does protect some endangered species, but boy, I think if we really care about animals, we should put a lot more money into it and there should be a lot larger spaces and it shouldn't be anything remotely resembling a zoo.
00:47:58.000And it's always weird who gets the big space.
00:48:00.000At the Louisville Zoo, there's a wolf who just got fucking 12 acres and then a snow leopard's in a little diorama with a cage on it.
00:48:09.000The way they do it in Africa is the way to do it.
00:48:11.000If you really want to go see an animal, you should go on a fucking safari and drive through these areas where they're They're killing gazelles and they're doing normal lion shit.
00:48:20.000This is a normal lion in a lion environment and you drive through it and it's probably dangerous as shit.
00:48:27.000You know that lady from the Game of Thrones, one of the video, I think one of the video editors, one of the editors from the Game of Thrones got killed by a lion in one of those parks.
00:48:44.000I saw one of those videos where the people in the car and like one of the, I think it's a tiger, not a tiger, it's Africa, but it was a lion coming up to the car and they're looking at it and the lion just opened the door.
00:48:56.000Like he just put his paw on the door and opened it.
00:52:23.000I think he made the jump from the bottom.
00:52:25.000The one that was confusing said that it was basically in these bushes when they were standing on this rail throwing shit at it and then they got too close and found out there was one way closer than they thought.
00:52:40.000What I had heard was the thing was over there, they were continuing to throw things at it, and it came towards them and jumped over the wall, which only makes sense.
00:52:49.000Oh, eyewitness accounts, statements from the...
00:54:10.000The tiger passed exhibits with warthogs, which it ignored as it followed the blood trail of the two brothers to the Terrace Cafe outside the dining area.
00:54:18.000This is a real, what are they wearing?
00:56:01.000A lot of times you see those water buffalo moving, they seem to completely forget about tigers or lions until they jump out, and then they're like, oh shit, and then they all run away.
00:56:08.000Not that many lions eat water buffaloes.
00:57:29.000And they push him into the water and then a crocodile comes out of the water and grabs the water buffalo, the baby, and then the lions are like having a tug-of-war with like the crocodile.
01:00:10.000We might want to stop for like five minutes and make sure this doesn't keep happening while we have the opportunity before it fucks up more.
01:05:56.000And that, it ended up, like, people were just, that's the thing, people think drugs will, you know, I'm not like a crazy person, but I just annoyed everyone.
01:06:31.000Yeah, because when I write, I mean, I've gotten better at it now over the years, but when I write, you have that voice telling you it's shit and you can't move forward.
01:06:40.000And the Adderall, this was before I was doing stand-up a little, but writing screenplays and stuff.
01:06:46.000And the Adderall gave me the confidence to just fucking plow through it.
01:06:49.000It wasn't all good, but some of it was good.
01:09:14.000I think who you are at your core, why you operate in life...
01:09:19.000Whatever you're taking, whether it's alcohol or pot or whatever, it only enhances that, who you are at your core.
01:09:26.000So if you're like an evil person deep down, but you're covering it, and then you get drunk and you get really vicious with people, those people are probably already vicious inside of them.
01:10:40.000Yeah, and then everything was going well, and then this was like this month, maybe a month ago, I'm going to see a screening of my friend's movie, this really great comic Isabella Hagen had funded her own movie.
01:10:52.000I'm going to see it, we're going to meet, and she calls me and she says she can't see out of her left eye, she's on the subway.
01:10:58.000And we had to, like, call an ambulance and, like, rush to the hospital.
01:11:02.000And, like, the crazy thing is the ambulance did not take us right away.
01:11:05.000Like, we got in there and they, like, had to make her fill out her insurance.
01:12:23.000And then the craziest part is, so they had to take her to the ICU to observe her.
01:12:27.000But we weren't at an ICU. We were at like an ER that didn't have people stay the night.
01:12:32.000So we had to, even though she was on these blood thinners, because you had to go on them for four hours, they had to put her in an ambulance in the rain.
01:12:39.000And we had to drive to a place where she couldn't move for a day because she could get, if she got hit.
01:16:37.000There's like, have you ever been to the hospital and someone gets surgery?
01:16:40.000There's like a giant terminal thing that shows everyone's names and it says like in the middle, if they're in the middle of surgery or not.
01:16:46.000And then sometimes it'll just flash canceled.
01:18:01.000I know, I'm like 40. But you're a comic and it's like, it's so hard for comics to just settle down to just staying put and doing things with a person.
01:18:41.000But I am working with my therapist about realizing that...
01:18:47.000You know, I always, for years, saw the person you're in a relationship with is somehow, like, an enemy of your artistic process, you know?
01:18:54.000Like, they're there to stifle you, and it's an unhealthy way of thinking, and I've tried to work about it.
01:18:58.000How did you develop that way of thinking, you think?
01:19:03.000I think my mom, though she's great, was pretty overbearing, like a Jewish mother.
01:19:08.000And I think she was so kind of always overbearing, always wanting to know what was going on, that I think my response was just go in my room and shut people out.
01:19:32.000But I think I associate intimacy with someone trying to stifle me or smother me.
01:19:37.000As opposed to something where you're trying to be in something...
01:19:42.000But that also can happen if you're with someone who has, they don't understand, like if they have unreal expectations, they expect you to just quit doing comics.
01:19:51.000Like I had a friend, and he was a good comic, and he was dating this woman who wanted him to get a job.
01:20:13.000But he hadn't done comedy in three years.
01:20:14.000And he lost all of his momentum, and he couldn't get spots, and no one gave a shit, and everybody else had kind of moved on and moved up.
01:20:21.000And that's a bad relationship, because she doesn't understand him.
01:20:26.000My thing is my girlfriend doesn't think that way, and I sometimes find myself projecting that onto her, because she'll just be like, I'm not comfortable with you doing this joke, and I'm like, quit trying to silence me!
01:20:38.000I think the thing was with this guy is that he was in his 30s, and it hadn't happened yet.
01:20:45.000It was one of those, probably the parents, like, what is he doing?
01:23:09.000But if you're starting out then, and this is like this pipe dream that you have, and you're not making any money doing it, that's a totally different thing.
01:23:42.000You want to, like, if you're going to have a kid, I think, we talked about, it's a possibility at some point, it's like, you want to at least make enough money in your career that if you had a kid, you'd actually just have to work harder at your career, as opposed to getting another career.
01:24:06.000And they still have this thing in the back of their head that one day they will and one day they'll really bear down and really start writing and really start performing more often and going up more than twice a week and they just don't.
01:24:16.000And then they get into the situation where like, oh my god, everyone's kind of passed me by and all the guys I started out with are now working professionals touring the road and I'm still stuck in LA. Right, right, right.
01:24:29.000We were talking about if we had a kid, I was talking to her, and I was like, well, you would, you know, on the weekend I'd be on the road, but during the day, during the week, I'd babysit the kid.
01:24:38.000And she's like, it doesn't feel like you're very serious if you're referring to it as babysitting.
01:33:51.000Yeah, so I'd go to the clubs, then afterwards go to the pool hall, play pool until 4 o'clock in the morning, go to a diner, get something to eat with my friends.
01:33:59.0006 o'clock in the morning, I was hanging out with just complete derelicts, like pool hustlers and crazy people, and comics.
01:34:36.000Yeah, I just started making money doing comedy, so I had enough money that comedy for the first time in my life was legitimately paying my bills.
01:35:41.000I really learned a lot from her, and she's one of the best.
01:35:45.000And that's where I first kind of had money, where I could actually move to New York.
01:35:49.000I think I had part-time jobs, and then I was just living with my parents and doing comedy on the road, going to the loony bins and shit, taking greyhounds.
01:36:12.000Like, where are you in normal walks of life other than Walmart?
01:36:15.000You're like, yeah, how did you even get on a bus?
01:36:17.000Oh, I've heard, like, the craziest shit.
01:36:20.000Like, the Greyhound is just, like, insane.
01:36:22.000Am I that story about that one guy who cut a guy's head off on a Greyhound?
01:36:25.000I used to have a bit about it, because other comics have the observational airplane material, but I wasn't doing well enough to take an airplane.
01:36:34.000I'd open all my bits with Greyhound material.
01:37:38.000Attack began without warnings, alerted by screams from the victim.
01:37:41.000The driver stopped the bus and fled with the passengers as Mr. Baker continued his attack.
01:37:48.000He was found not criminally responsible in 2009 for the killing, spent seven years in treatment, secure wing of a psychiatric hospital.
01:37:54.000The voice told me I was the third story of the Bible, that I was like the second coming of Jesus, and I was to save people from a space alien attack.
01:38:03.000He also said he was really sorry for what he had done.
01:39:27.000I feel like that is one of those moments where I go, okay, if that was a man that did that to a woman and had the same excuse, I do not think anybody would buy it.
01:40:51.000The guy on the bus is like, I could kill anyone at any time.
01:40:54.000And they're like, well, that's not as bad.
01:40:56.000Although the two were dating, Spetcher told the outlet she never considered Amelia her official boyfriend and said she told him she no longer had any romantic interest in him two days before killing him.
01:46:38.000Make sure your doctor knows if you're also taking other medicines that thin the blood, including non-steroidal anti-inflammatories like ibuprofen.
01:50:17.000Honestly, the thing that helped the most was panic attacks on stage was just continuing to have them to the point where you notice it doesn't destroy the world.
01:50:28.000Because I would actually still do okay on stage.
01:50:32.000Actually, people wouldn't really notice.
01:50:34.000Like, I'd go off after, like, that was horrible.
01:50:36.000They're like, I don't even notice, you know?
01:50:39.000Which makes you feel more alone, by the way.
01:50:41.000The fact that you can have this hell in your head and no one notices.
01:50:43.000And when you were doing this, were there sometimes you didn't have the hell in your head?
01:51:08.000The worst thing you can do with anxiety is run away from it.
01:51:12.000If you're anxious when you go outside, the worst thing you can do is just not go outside, because then it builds.
01:51:18.000If anyone has panic attacks on stage, just continuing to have them and letting your brain know that it's not a big deal, that it's not going to destroy you, then it starts to go away.
01:51:30.000So now, you know, I'm back to not really having them on stage.
01:52:25.000I was like, I've got to do the next thing and the next thing.
01:52:27.000And then, actually, the way it started, I was at my brother's place, and I looked in the mirror, and I saw these moles on my back, and I was just convinced they were skin cancer.
01:52:53.000A wave of anxiety just where I was in my life, but for the first time in 10 years, I didn't have something to mask it, which I think made it more intense.
01:53:12.000And it was just like, yeah, it was awful.
01:53:15.000So did you have that level of anxiety when you were younger?
01:53:18.000When I was really young, I would have these really bad screaming fits.
01:53:22.000Like, when I was like eight or nine, I would just suddenly have these moments where I was like, I don't know, this moment of just feeling hopeless or something, I'd just start yelling.
01:53:31.000And my parents never knew what it was.
01:53:33.000I actually would cut myself a couple times on the leg just to distract it.
01:54:10.000I get anxiety about existential threats.
01:54:14.000I get anxiety about war sometimes late at night.
01:54:17.000I get anxiety about, like, the more I read about history, the more I understand, you know, how many times in history society was, everything was great, everything was fine, and then all of a sudden some terrible event took place, and then we went back to, like,
01:54:34.000This is an imminent threat to life, that we look at the goings-on in the world as if it's, like, some plot in a television show that we're watching.
01:54:45.000You're watching what's happening in Ukraine.
01:54:47.000You're watching what's happening in Gaza.
01:54:49.000And you're watching what's happening in Iran.
01:54:51.000And you're watching all this crazy shit.
01:54:53.000And it doesn't seem real because it hasn't affected you.
01:54:56.000But late at night when everyone's asleep, that's when it gets me.
01:55:01.000I started thinking that this ridiculous life that we live and all the stupid societal conflicts that we have that are mostly meaningless and nonsense...
01:55:15.000And that they're accentuated constantly in the news.
01:57:17.000And we're so reliant to keep this civilization going the way it is.
01:57:23.000Think about what we've been talking about today.
01:57:25.000If you go back and watch films from the 1930s, how horrific people treat each other.
01:57:30.000And over time, because of our access to all these different human beings and how they feel about things and how they discuss things, all that has kind of elevated our discourse and elevated the way we communicate with each other and we interact with each other and we demand more.
01:57:44.000And there's going to be overcompensation and things are going to go back and forth, but generally it's moving in the right direction.
01:57:51.000But that's only because all of our needs are met and because there's electricity.
02:01:16.000Yeah, but there's been things like the killing of the aid workers, you know, like the Jose Andres people, which seems like they were targeted.
02:02:10.000Look, whenever a human being is capable of doing something like that to another human being that they don't even know, they consider that person the other.
02:02:17.000You've got a giant problem, and that's the giant problem of being able to just bomb Gaza into oblivion and kill who knows how many thousands of people.
02:02:26.000It's almost like the United States' reaction after 9-11.
02:02:31.0009-11, the whole world was on our side.
02:03:15.000I'm in the position where, like, obviously this war is terrible and I don't think it should have happened, but I also think it's a lot to ask people to have something so horrific happen and not them kind of retaliate, though I'm against it, if that makes sense.
02:03:26.000I know what you're saying, that people would retaliate.
02:03:28.000It's the way they're retaliating and the scale, which is horrific to people.
02:06:40.000It is like most periods of history, people had kind of a shitty life and a volatile period of history.
02:06:50.000After Vietnam and maybe to the, you know, now, until everything's kind of falling apart now, like, it was kind of smooth sailing, I guess, for a little bit.
02:07:46.000It's like we're so used to not being attacked that when something like 9-11 does happen, like Pearl Harbor happened, it was five hours over the ocean.
02:10:01.000He said that it was basically like if I thought they were going to try an assassination attempt, that seems exactly like how the government would do it.
02:12:03.000I think the possibility of it not being a conspiracy is sometimes very plausible to the point where I don't know if you need to go to a conspiracy.
02:12:13.000Maybe he got killed, but Epstein was also not in a great place at that point.
02:13:17.000Yeah, no, I'm not saying he didn't get killed.
02:13:19.000Seems to be the most high-profile defense witness in a very important case that might have been about elites and child pedophilia would probably want to take that guy out.
02:13:31.000But also, a narcissist who's about to be the most hated person in the world, I could see him killing himself.
02:15:10.000So it's like, we don't always know, like, it's a lot of times something happening that's crazy, but also, like, never happened before, that people are like, that's not how it happens.
02:15:25.000And I do think, you know, I've read, you know, it was 9-11, there was so much incompetence as a government, a lack of communication between the FBI and the CIA, you know?
02:15:32.000And I'm a firm, I'm not saying some conspiracies aren't true, definitely.
02:16:06.000The thing about the Oswald thing is there's also a lot of evidence that points to the fact that they were trying to come to the conclusion that there was a lone gunman despite the evidence.
02:16:15.000And one of those is the magic bullet theory.
02:16:17.000The magic bullet theory is fucking cuckoo for Cocoa Buffs.
02:16:22.000He went through Kennedy and then into Connelly and then they found it in pristine condition on the gurney and then they attributed that bullet to all these wounds because they had to because there was only three shots supposedly and in those three shots that Oswald was able to get off they knew one of them hit the back And they knew one of them was hit Connelly,
02:16:42.000Well, they had all different bullets for these things, for these different injuries, but then a guy got hit with a ricochet in the underpass, so they had to account for one of those bullets missing the target and hitting the, whatever it is, granite curbstone, and banging into this guy's face,
02:16:59.000and the guy had to go to the hospital.
02:17:00.000They found the curbstone that had been hit with a bullet, And so they knew that a ricochet had hit there, so now they had two bullets that had to have all these wounds.
02:17:08.000And so instead of saying, hey, maybe there's more than one person shooting, maybe there's more than this one guy that was in the book depository, all these people said there were shots coming from the grassy knoll, maybe they were telling the truth.
02:17:19.000Instead of that, they said, no, no, no, no, no.
02:17:21.000One bullet went crazy and went, oh, look, we found it!
02:17:43.000I feel like there's so many answers about what happened, right?
02:17:45.000Well, if you read the Warren Commission Report — and fucking nobody has — that's also — there's different — like, see the hole in his neck?
02:17:53.000It's supposed to have gone through his back, through his neck.
02:17:56.000But in the first autopsy report, that hole in the neck was thought of as an entrance wound.
02:18:01.000And then when it got to Bethesda, Maryland, then they said it was a tracheotomy hole.
02:18:05.000There's, like, a lot of inconsistencies in the Warren Commission report.
02:18:08.000And if you want to go crazy, read a book called Best Evidence by David Lifton, who was an accountant who read the entire Warren Commission, went over it, and found all these inconsistencies and said they were just trying to come to this one conclusion, and he didn't buy it.
02:18:32.000I mean like people having different reports that don't – or even him trying to force something.
02:18:36.000I mean like I just think sometimes like the thing has to be – like nothing's perfect and there is like a lot of – I also don't think Lee Harvey Oswald – I think Lee Harvey Oswald was a part of it.
02:20:19.000And I think a lot of that was meth as well.
02:20:21.000It was a habit of wearing a tightly laced back brace that may have kept him from recoiling to the floor of his car after the assassin's first bullet to the neck, setting him up for the kill shot.
02:20:59.000It's hard to hide news photos of him walking on crutches before and after one of his numerous back surgeries.
02:21:03.000It wasn't until 2002 when historian Robert Dalek was allowed access to a collection of documents spanning 1955 to 1963. In 1963, the specifics began to emerge.
02:21:14.000Peyton is co-author, neurosurgeon Dr. Justin Dowdy, poured over Dalek's subsequent book, numerous other biographies, and scores of documents and x-rays at the JFK Library in Boston to prepare their paper.
02:21:26.000So I was taken aback by the depths of Kennedy's pain.
02:21:28.000He said how long he dealt with the pain despite his short life, how it affected his life.
02:21:32.000I was able to conceal most of that from the public and certainly from his political adversaries.
02:21:36.000So I wonder what back surgeries were they doing in 1963. Good Lord.
02:22:45.000But it's like there's things like when things don't make sense, there are sometimes an explanation that's kind of like almost boring or random.
02:23:42.000Being handled by the CIA, being a part of the Illuminati, all kinds of stupid shit.
02:23:48.000Throwing people off your trail by being into conspiracy theories so people don't realize you're part of the CIA? Well, they just want to think you're controlled.
02:23:54.000They want to think that at a certain point someone comes to you and you get controlled.
02:24:06.000Also, the reality is MKUltra was real, and they really were trying to teach people how to kill people, and they did it with Charlie Manson.
02:24:15.000I'm not saying there's not fucked up horrible shit, but I do think no one's really steering the ship, and that's like the really scary thing.
02:24:40.000This is the CIA and the FBI. The CIA not communicating with the FBI. Yeah, that's 100% real.
02:24:45.000And that's why when people look at all of Israelis, not to bring it back to them like a Jew, as like a Zionist conspiracy, you're now doing that.
02:24:51.000You're believing in this collective thing when really there's so many different types of Israelis.
02:24:55.000There's extremists, there's racists, and there's peaceniks.
02:25:19.000You just don't want them out of control.
02:25:20.000And the problem is absolute power corrupts absolutely.
02:25:24.000And when some people get into certain positions of power, they use whatever means necessary to maintain it.
02:25:29.000I mean, the Nazis had the ultimate conspiracy when they invaded Poland.
02:25:32.000They, like, killed a bunch of their own, like, prisoner of wars and had them dressed as Polish, like, soldiers and, like, concocted a whole fake attack by Poland.
02:25:54.000I think some people, there was one guy who they say might have lit the fire, I forget what his name, I read this in a book, but like Hitler definitely jumped on it.
02:26:07.000I don't know, he might have, but I think there's still some mystery about what, because some people think it might have been someone else, but then he just kind of jumped on it.
02:27:09.000This dude was out of his fucking mind.
02:27:10.000I actually don't know much about Nero.
02:27:13.000Sporus was a young slave boy whom the Roman Emperor Nero had castrated and married as his empress.
02:27:19.000Under his tour of Greece in 66 to 67 CE, allegedly in order for him to play the role of his wife, Popeya Sabina, who had died the previous year.
02:27:29.000Ancient historians generally portray this relationship between Nero and Sporus as an abomination.
02:28:20.000Scholars have deduced that sporus was likely an epithet given to him when his abuse started, considering it to be derived from the Greek word sporus, meaning seed or semen, which may refer to his inability to have children following his castration.
02:31:32.000And Papaya was married to this person before Nero got her, and Nero made them get divorced, took Papaya, apparently killed her, and then Sporus went back to this guy, Nymphidus Sabinus.
02:32:21.000It's because someone else who beat that guy was going to use spores as a victim in public entertainment as a reenactment of a rape of someone in the underworld is what that is.
02:33:43.000If you just read that account, and imagine if Biden did that.
02:33:47.000Imagine if Biden's wife died, so he found some fucking page that looked like his wife, had him cut his dick off, and brought him to Greece as his wife.
02:34:21.000Looking into this a little more, it says this, like, because of how crazy it's sounding, I'm starting to go, like, maybe whoever killed him is just like, you know, we're going to smear him, and we're going to make up all this shit about him that's not maybe accurate, but who's going to fucking defend it?
02:34:34.000Right, but the Nero story, that's like a historical record, the story that took Sporus and did that to him.
02:34:40.000I found a New Yorker article from 2021 that says, like, how nasty was he really?
02:35:59.000There's two different versions of this.
02:36:00.000So the story that gets handed down was this woman was so evil that she was a serial killer, and she was beautiful when she was young, and as she got older, she would slaughter young maids and put them in a bathtub and bathe in their blood to try to rejuvenate.
02:36:31.000They locked her up in a room in the castle for the rest of her life until she died.
02:36:35.000And they think that this possibly could be false accusations against her that were so horrific that no one would question them so that they could take her land.
02:38:03.000The case of Elizabeth Bathory inspired numerous stories during the 18th and 19th centuries.
02:38:07.000The most common motif of these works is that the countless bathing in her virgin victim's blood to retain beauty or youth.
02:38:13.000The legend appeared in print for the first time in 1729 in the Jesuit scholar Laszlo Turoksi, maybe?
02:38:25.000Tragica Historia was written the first account of the Bathory case.
02:38:28.000The story came into question in 1817 when the witness accounts, which had surfaced in 1765, were published for the first time.
02:38:36.000They included no references to bloodbaths in his book Hungary and Transylvania, published in 1850. John Paget describes the supposed origins of Bathory's bloodbathing, although his tale seems to be fictionalized recitation of oral history from the area.
02:38:53.000It's difficult to know how accurate his account of events is.
02:38:57.000Sadistic pleasures is considered a far more plausible motive for Bathory's crimes.
02:39:03.000Oh, so they're saying that she did do it.
02:39:05.000Bathory's been labeled by Guinness Book of World Records the most prolific female murderer, although the number of her victims is debated.
02:40:38.000A hot shower is a wonderful pleasure that we just completely take for granted.
02:40:43.000To sit in that shower like, ah, soap and lather up, wash your feet and wash your face, and ah, your underarms, ah, bathe in this preheated warm water.
02:42:59.000I made a movie with Joe List earlier this year, and I'm trying to start making more movies.
02:43:03.000I've loved movies my whole life, and I've written screenplays with my partner, Dan McCabe, who's great, a great writer, and we just finally started making this and raising money and making it.