The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2198 - Bret Weinstein

00:00:08.000 Good to see you, my friend.

00:00:13.000 Oh, good to see you, man.

00:00:15.000 Strange times we're living in.

00:00:16.000 Uh, the strangest and getting stranger. 0.99

00:00:19.000 Didn't some shit go down today? 0.99

00:00:21.000 Didn't we steal the president of Venezuela's plane? 1.00

00:00:24.000 Yeah, I think we just stole his plane.

00:00:26.000 I didn't.

00:00:27.000 No, not us.

00:00:28.000 Okay, good.

00:00:28.000 The United States.

00:00:30.000 Someone stole his plane.

00:00:32.000 Which is kind of an act of war.

00:00:36.000 What is that?

00:00:37.000 Was he in it?

00:00:38.000 I don't think so.

00:00:39.000 No.

00:00:40.000 I think we just stole his plane.

00:00:41.000 Just like for a joyride?

00:00:43.000 What's the story?

00:00:45.000 U.S. seizes Venezuela President Nicolas Maduro's airplane in the Dominican Republic.

00:00:50.000 So we said, nope, we're stealing that.

00:00:53.000 How does that work?

00:00:55.000 Even if you don't get along with a president of a country, how disrespectful is it to steal their plane?

00:01:00.000 You're right.

00:01:00.000 It's an act of war.

00:01:02.000 Imagine if Xi Jinping landed somewhere and we're like, we're going to steal your fucking plane. 1.00

00:01:06.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:01:07.000 No chance.

00:01:08.000 That's a bully move.

00:01:10.000 That's a move you can only do to a country like Venezuela.

00:01:13.000 Yes.

00:01:14.000 Well, I'm trying to remember exactly what the story was, but there was a point where Ecuador was acting very courageously with respect to Julian Assange.

00:01:23.000 And there was a question about whether the president of Ecuador could fly Assange out so that he could be outside of the embassy and inside of Ecuador proper.

00:01:32.000 And I believe the reasoning was they couldn't do it because they expected the plane to be forced down.

00:01:37.000 Same issue.

00:01:38.000 So this says, Merrick Garland said that the Justice Department seized an aircraft we allege was illegally purchased for $13 million through a shell company and smuggled out of the United States for use by Nicolas Maduro and his cronies.

00:01:54.000 What business is that of ours though?

00:01:57.000 This is what I don't understand.

00:01:58.000 Like if it was purchased through a shell company, Then it was purchased.

00:02:04.000 Right.

00:02:04.000 And was there a trial that established that this was ill-gotten gained?

00:02:09.000 It says smuggled out of the United States.

00:02:11.000 The plane was purchased from a company in Florida, the Justice Department said, and was illegally exported in April 2023 from the United States to Venezuela through the Caribbean.

00:02:20.000 So are we not allowed to sell them planes?

00:02:25.000 Is that what it is?

00:02:26.000 Like, because we have a problem with them?

00:02:28.000 Would they say how much it costs?

00:02:29.000 13 million bucks?

00:02:30.000 Yeah.

00:02:31.000 Okay, so he's got this $13 million plane.

00:02:34.000 A Dassault Falcon 900EX. Since been used to fly almost exclusively to and from military base in Venezuela.

00:02:42.000 Justice Department said CNN reached out to Venezuelan government.

00:02:46.000 You asked, huh.

00:02:47.000 It seems like, though, that's like...

00:02:50.000 There's more to it than that plane was illegal.

00:02:54.000 You shouldn't have that plane.

00:02:56.000 For years, officials have sought to disrupt the flow of billions of dollars to the regime.

00:03:00.000 Homeland Security Investigations, the second largest investigative agency in the federal government, has seized dozens of luxury vehicles, among other assets, headed to Venezuela.

00:03:12.000 So there's a U.S. sanction.

00:03:13.000 So there's a sanction.

00:03:14.000 This is it.

00:03:15.000 The plane was seized in violation of U.S. sanctions with Venezuela.

00:03:18.000 And other criminal matters that we're looking at regarding this aircraft, they're going to find a reason to keep it.

00:03:25.000 Like, they stole all those boats from all those Russian cats. 0.98

00:03:29.000 Sorry, you're too rich and you know Putin, so give me your boat.

00:03:32.000 Well, that's the thing.

00:03:33.000 There's a hidden story for everything, and this is about incentivizing the world, and we in the public don't get to know the real story.

00:03:40.000 Don't you think now, though, most people, I feel like genuinely most people are aware there's more to the story.

00:03:48.000 Every story.

00:03:49.000 Everything in the news.

00:03:50.000 Every time something comes up, people are like, what's the whole story here?

00:03:55.000 Well, you know, I coined this term, the Cartesian crisis.

00:04:00.000 And the Cartesian crisis basically means the point at which you can't really be certain of anything.

00:04:05.000 And the problem is, yes, I do think people are catching on to the fact that they never know the real story. 0.93

00:04:11.000 But the response to that is either that you start believing the bullshit that they tell you, or that you just become cynical and stop believing anything.

00:04:20.000 And neither of those are functional ways to exist. 0.97

00:04:23.000 And both those ways are good for the people that are running scams.

00:04:27.000 Exactly.

00:04:27.000 They're good for the people who want to maintain power because it just keeps us back on our heels.

00:04:31.000 Yeah, because if you don't know what's true and what's not true, you're like, oh, geez.

00:04:34.000 And then you get cynical. 1.00

00:04:36.000 Oh, it's all bullshit. 1.00

00:04:36.000 This whole system is rigged. 1.00

00:04:38.000 Then you just go fishing.

00:04:39.000 Right.

00:04:39.000 And that's the thing people don't understand is at the point that you think you're striking a blow by checking out of their system, you're actually doing them a favor.

00:04:47.000 Right.

00:04:48.000 It's actually beneficial to them because then you have a smaller number of people that are voting.

00:04:52.000 So essentially in the 2020 elections, it was the largest ever win, right?

00:05:01.000 The Democrats got 80-something million votes, which is – so let's say – even if it was 50-50.

00:05:09.000 So somewhere in the neighborhood of 160 million people, how many people are women and – I mean how many people with children women can vote? 1.00

00:05:15.000 What am I saying?

00:05:16.000 Right.

00:05:16.000 How many people are children, rather?

00:05:18.000 Oh, jeez, I have no idea on the percentage.

00:05:19.000 Under 18. It's probably in the 30%.

00:05:22.000 So that's a pretty high turnout.

00:05:24.000 Yes, if that was even the turnout.

00:05:25.000 If it was real.

00:05:26.000 Yeah, that's the problem.

00:05:27.000 We have no idea.

00:05:27.000 Darren, that's the problem with the whole cynical game.

00:05:29.000 Because I'm not convinced.

00:05:31.000 You know why I'm not convinced?

00:05:32.000 Because everybody wants me to be convinced.

00:05:35.000 When they, like, yell at you, if you ask a question, like, hey, one of the things that I've always said, and everyone sort of agrees with this, I mean, literally everyone, even people that think that the election was 100% legitimate.

00:05:48.000 The percentage of voter fraud is never zero, correct?

00:05:52.000 And they're always like, yes.

00:05:53.000 No one can say it's zero.

00:05:55.000 It's not zero.

00:05:56.000 There's a bunch of slippery people that get arrested on both sides of the aisle.

00:06:00.000 Republicans and Democrats get arrested for election fraud.

00:06:04.000 It's a real crime.

00:06:05.000 The idea that they commit all these other acts of fraud and deception, but when it comes to elections, Brett, that's a sacred institution that we don't violate at any cost.

00:06:16.000 Yep.

00:06:16.000 Well, and the way they maintain that story is by ruthlessly punishing anybody who questions it, even though questioning it is the obvious thing to do.

00:06:23.000 Because for one thing, elections used to be different, as you remember, right?

00:06:28.000 First of all, you used to vote in person.

00:06:30.000 And voting by mail was something you were very reluctant to do because you knew that if your vote got counted, it was going to be very late in the process.

00:06:37.000 It wasn't really going to matter.

00:06:38.000 It was mostly for soldiers serving overseas.

00:06:41.000 Right, exactly.

00:06:41.000 It was for people who just simply couldn't vote in person and it never really mattered except in very rare cases.

00:06:47.000 The disappearance of that and the normalization of voting by mail, the normalization of voting across a period of time so that you're not all voting on the same day...

00:06:58.000 And the absence of exit polls, right?

00:07:02.000 When everybody's voting from home or wherever, you can't detect fraud by virtue of the fact that the count that came in from that precinct didn't match what the exit pollers registered.

00:07:13.000 And so, you know, I don't think we are wrong to imagine that we have lost the ability to check whether an election is fair and that that's not an accident.

00:07:24.000 That leaves the possibility open to cheat.

00:07:28.000 And as you point out, they cheat in every other way.

00:07:30.000 Are we supposed to believe that they won't do that because their patriotism is so deep?

00:07:35.000 I don't see any patriotism to them at all.

00:07:37.000 Well, not only that, they've established this narrative that it's imperative that the Democrats win to save democracy.

00:07:44.000 So the Verde made all of these statements that it's more important for them to win than anything.

00:07:54.000 More important than anything.

00:07:55.000 More important than having primaries.

00:07:56.000 More important than letting the people decide who the representative is.

00:08:01.000 More important than having, like, live, actual conversations, interviews that aren't edited on CNN. Instead they have a 40-plus minute one that's edited down to 18 minutes.

00:08:13.000 Like, what?

00:08:15.000 Well, and we just went through this with them over COVID. We know that when they think they're in the right, they feel entitled to lie about everything.

00:08:27.000 They feel entitled to coerce.

00:08:28.000 And so the idea that we're supposed to imagine that our elections are somehow different to them, I can't imagine how that would even work.

00:08:35.000 It doesn't make any sense.

00:08:36.000 And it's one of those things, again, that you're forced into agreeing with just out of fear because people get very aggressive with it, just like people were super aggressive about the vaccine.

00:08:49.000 I hate seeing people...

00:08:54.000 Die because they made a poor choice.

00:08:56.000 But there's something insane about how many people were, like, pro-vaccine advocates that were shaming people and angry at people, and now they're dead.

00:09:07.000 And they're not dead because they ran their time and they got old and they died and, you know, it's unfortunate, but it happens to all of us.

00:09:14.000 Uh-uh.

00:09:15.000 No, they're dead young.

00:09:16.000 Like, a lot.

00:09:17.000 A lot of people.

00:09:18.000 Not one, not 20. We don't even know what the real numbers are because it's not something the mainstream media covers because they've all been vaccinated, too, and they're probably freaking the fuck out, too.

00:09:28.000 Yeah, it's a huge number of people.

00:09:30.000 We can detect that statistically.

00:09:32.000 The trouble is that it's hard in any individual case to know whether or not you're looking at something that would have happened anyway.

00:09:39.000 Right.

00:09:39.000 So you remember John Ritter?

00:09:42.000 Yes.

00:09:43.000 From Three's Company?

00:09:44.000 Sure.

00:09:44.000 Died of a...

00:09:45.000 I worked with him.

00:09:46.000 Oh, you did?

00:09:46.000 Yeah, did an episode of News Radio with him.

00:09:48.000 Super nice guy.

00:09:49.000 Good guy?

00:09:49.000 Yeah, I got that impression.

00:09:52.000 Anyway, he died of a ruptured aorta, if I remember correctly, long before there was COVID vaccines.

00:09:59.000 Right.

00:09:59.000 So the point is, if that had happened last year, we'd all be saying, come on.

00:10:04.000 Of course.

00:10:04.000 He's in Hollywood, he got faxed, and now look at him.

00:10:07.000 Yep.

00:10:07.000 So it happens.

00:10:09.000 100%.

00:10:09.000 Right?

00:10:09.000 But the rate at which it's happening has changed radically.

00:10:13.000 Exactly.

00:10:13.000 And the very people who say, oh, that's not the vaccine, are very uninterested in figuring out what it is.

00:10:18.000 So, you know, let's put two and two together.

00:10:20.000 Well, they don't even want to consider the vaccine, which is so crazy.

00:10:23.000 If you called it anything else, if it wasn't called the vaccine, if it wasn't for COVID, okay, let's...

00:10:29.000 Because COVID became so...

00:10:31.000 It became so politicized and it was like...

00:10:34.000 Culturally so polarizing.

00:10:36.000 Let's pretend it was for something else and there was some medication and the people that were taking that medication were dropping like flies.

00:10:43.000 They would 100% make a correlation and they would make it publicly and it would be in the news.

00:10:48.000 Of course, it might not actually be in the news today because this is part of the problem with what we're dealing with, with advertising and the media.

00:10:56.000 Is that there's so much revenue that comes from pharmaceutical drug companies that there's just a reality about them reluctant to print or put any stores on television that are negative.

00:11:10.000 There's too much money involved.

00:11:11.000 Right.

00:11:12.000 There's too much money involved and it becomes impossible to override this narrative.

00:11:15.000 The narrative takes on a reality of its own even though it is contradicted by the facts and our scientific tools, they're Tremendously powerful at discovering patterns like this.

00:11:28.000 It's not difficult to do, and yet we deliberately avoid using them in the ways that they were intended.

00:11:34.000 Do you think in the future we'll look back on this and there'll be some sort of a shift in the way we discuss it?

00:11:43.000 You know, there's a lot of things in history that during the time where they were happening, I'm sure people were all...

00:11:48.000 Like the McCarthy era.

00:11:50.000 I'm sure people thought it was very important to root out these communists, but they didn't exactly understand, like, hey, you're calling a lot of people communists that aren't even communists.

00:11:57.000 You're going after people that just went to meetings to find out what's going on.

00:12:00.000 The world didn't exactly understand what that even meant back then.

00:12:05.000 We look back at it now.

00:12:07.000 The Red Scare is like a negative thing.

00:12:11.000 It's a dangerous sort of negative aspect of our history.

00:12:15.000 Yeah, although, you know, I'm sure you're having the same experience where lots of stuff that you learned as a clear narrative, like, you know, the Red Scare took over people and it was like a witch hunt.

00:12:29.000 And the answer is actually more nuanced than that.

00:12:31.000 There was more truth to it than I was taught, right?

00:12:34.000 The Rosenbergs really were guilty of passing secrets to the Russians. 0.82

00:12:39.000 Oh, yeah.

00:12:40.000 There definitely was a lot of that.

00:12:41.000 So, you know, it's a mixed story.

00:12:43.000 Right.

00:12:44.000 You asked the question, though, if in the future we're going to have a different conversation about what's taking place.

00:12:49.000 And I just want to put a little placeholder there.

00:12:52.000 Yeah.

00:12:52.000 The answer kind of depends if there is a future.

00:12:57.000 And I worry a lot that not only are we headed into chaos, but that we are going to be denied the ability to have a proper historical account of the present, that we're never going to understand what these stories were doing,

00:13:15.000 why they played out the way they did, you know, why people disappeared when they did.

00:13:20.000 And that that's not healthy.

00:13:22.000 You need to be able to create a record.

00:13:26.000 It's never going to be perfect, but you need to be able to create a record of what took place that has been exposed to some kind of analytical standard so that you can correct your course.

00:13:37.000 If you don't know what happened, you can't improve on your thought process going forward.

00:13:42.000 And that's extremely dangerous.

00:13:43.000 It's like, you know, flying with a blindfold.

00:13:47.000 Yeah, that's a great way to put it.

00:13:49.000 And I'm glad you did point out the fact that there were really things – the Red Scare is a weird example because people would like to kind of dismiss the impact that communists, especially Russia, was having on our government.

00:14:01.000 And there was a pretty big impact.

00:14:03.000 I mean they did steal the plans for the nuclear bomb. 0.98

00:14:06.000 There's a lot of shit that happened because of actual communist interference. 0.98

00:14:11.000 But the narrative when I was in high school was that the Red Scare was bad. 0.99

00:14:14.000 It was like everybody went crazy and they were all looking for – which was true too. 0.98

00:14:19.000 But that's part of the problem when you don't know.

00:14:22.000 Like back then, no internet, very little paper trail.

00:14:26.000 It's really hard to find out who's talking to who unless you get an actual listening device in the room and capture them talking.

00:14:34.000 Yeah, we can't know.

00:14:36.000 And, you know, it's important to get your comeuppance on these stories.

00:14:41.000 You grow up comfortable that you understand what happened during the Red Scare.

00:14:45.000 Right.

00:14:54.000 The more stories you dig into, the more frequently that happens.

00:14:57.000 Well, if you just get one good one, you're hooked.

00:15:00.000 For me, it was the Kennedy assassination. 1.00

00:15:02.000 One good book on the Kennedy assassination, I was like, God damn it, they killed the fucking president. 1.00

00:15:07.000 It freaked me out forever. 1.00

00:15:08.000 That was like, I literally had a giant shift in how I viewed the world after reading that book.

00:15:15.000 Because before that, I was never a questioner of whatever was in the news or whatever the narrative was that we were being told about anything.

00:15:23.000 Well, but, I mean, I have exactly the same reaction to that story, and I've been down that rabbit hole.

00:15:29.000 And I think you're just ultimately left to the question.

00:15:34.000 Something happened in 1963. That's before either of us were born, right?

00:15:39.000 Right.

00:15:42.000 That thing was either an anomaly that robbed the nation of a president and the nation continued to be a democratic republic in the aftermath of it, or that was interference with democracy and we don't know how to look at all of the seemingly democratic things that have happened since.

00:16:02.000 How much of what has happened since are the people Who took control with that assassination?

00:16:09.000 How much is them continuing to maintain control with a certain amount of democracy?

00:16:14.000 And how much was that an aberration that then returned us to our normal course?

00:16:21.000 That's a good point, a certain amount of democracy.

00:16:24.000 There's clearly a certain amount.

00:16:26.000 Yeah.

00:16:27.000 Well, which is one of the reasons why they're so terrified of Trump.

00:16:31.000 There's a certain amount of stealing they can do.

00:16:35.000 Let's imagine if it is dirty and you really can manipulate elections.

00:16:41.000 How much can you manipulate by?

00:16:42.000 Can you manipulate it by 30 percent?

00:16:46.000 We don't know.

00:16:46.000 And as long as they can have you believing in the polls, this is what's really important, polls.

00:16:52.000 Kamala Harris is up by 3%.

00:16:53.000 Oh, she's up.

00:16:55.000 She's winning. 1.00

00:16:56.000 Like, who the fuck are you talking to? 1.00

00:16:58.000 Who are you talking to? 1.00

00:17:00.000 You're not talking to me.

00:17:01.000 What narrative is it in which Kamala has done something that might have caused a surge in her popularity?

00:17:06.000 I didn't see it.

00:17:07.000 Well, some magic.

00:17:08.000 It's like, you know, there's that theory, that concept about multiple dimensions of Multiple universes that we all live.

00:17:19.000 Yeah, this possibility that there's infinite numbers of universes all around us all the time and we enter into a different timeline.

00:17:27.000 We entered into a different timeline.

00:17:29.000 Clearly.

00:17:30.000 Something happened.

00:17:32.000 I think the multiverse thing is nonsense.

00:17:35.000 I think it's an accounting scheme for figuring out how to deal with the fact that actually the universe is not deterministic, which people wrestle with because we don't exactly know why it isn't.

00:17:44.000 But to your point about how much can they cheat, I call that factor, which none of us can put a number on.

00:17:53.000 Maybe they can.

00:17:54.000 I call it the cheat factor, right?

00:17:56.000 The cheat margin.

00:17:57.000 And one of the things that I'm trying to convince people of is that it's not hopeless because they can cheat, but it means that you have to succeed at a level that exceeds their capacity to erase it.

00:18:12.000 Right.

00:18:13.000 So that's what we're talking about.

00:18:13.000 So we're talking about like maybe they can cheat by 10%.

00:18:17.000 Right.

00:18:17.000 And what we know, and I think actually we owe Trump a huge debt of gratitude for proving something that I couldn't have told you if it was true before he won the presidency, which is...

00:18:32.000 Is there still enough democracy left in the system for something to upend the plan?

00:18:38.000 Because he was clearly off-narrative, and he did become president, so he did something for us that I don't know anybody else who could have done it.

00:18:48.000 Yeah, it would take a person with that kind of personality that could withstand that kind of abuse Because he didn't freak out at all when they went after him.

00:18:56.000 He's like right just brushed it off like it was nothing and no one's done that He's also the only guy that's ever gone through four years and didn't age like he went through 30 years That's true.

00:19:06.000 He aged normal.

00:19:07.000 Yeah, he's used to it.

00:19:09.000 He's used to pressure you know and Bush He aged a ton.

00:19:14.000 Obama aged a ton.

00:19:16.000 Everybody aged a ton.

00:19:16.000 Biden was already cooked before he got in, but he aged a ton.

00:19:21.000 I mean, Biden from 2019 to today is a different person.

00:19:24.000 Yeah, and he was already visibly degraded, but wow, was it a precipitous decline.

00:19:29.000 Big jump.

00:19:29.000 Big jump now.

00:19:30.000 Yeah.

00:19:31.000 Trump was fine.

00:19:32.000 Yeah, Trump physically and actually, I think he sounds better.

00:19:37.000 I think, you know, he drives me crazy sometimes when he talks, but I think he's getting better at it.

00:19:43.000 I think he's trying to be a little bit more reasonable.

00:19:45.000 And try to appeal to more people because of that effort to be more reasonable.

00:19:51.000 He's changed his mind about a lot of things.

00:19:54.000 He's talking about legalizing marijuana.

00:19:56.000 He's talking about all these different things that are like where you're going to get a lot of different responses from like the hardcore republicans are not going to be for that.

00:20:08.000 Any idea of abortion, the hardcore right wing are not interested at all.

00:20:14.000 And any restrictions on abortion at all, you get your hardcore left wing.

00:20:18.000 So mostly it's the people in the middle.

00:20:21.000 Abortion's a good one, right? 1.00

00:20:22.000 Because most people are like, no one should be able to tell you what you could do with your body, but also aborting an eight-month-old fetus is kind of fucking insane. 0.98

00:20:32.000 Yeah.

00:20:32.000 I mean, the funny thing, and I've been saying this forever, is that almost everybody agrees on the basics on abortion.

00:20:39.000 We're supposed to not be able to even talk about it.

00:20:41.000 But most people believe that abortion is negative, that if you've got a blastula, right, a clump of cells that doesn't yet have a nervous system, that you have the right to terminate that pregnancy.

00:20:56.000 And that the farther you go through that pregnancy, the less right you have.

00:21:00.000 And most people are incredibly queasy about it, I think, as they should be in the third trimester.

00:21:07.000 And that's what we agree on.

00:21:09.000 And so it's really the extremists on both sides that we are up against.

00:21:15.000 But to the question of what Trump is doing with an issue like this, I want to make a couple points.

00:21:22.000 One, I think there are two issues that are getting tangled.

00:21:26.000 One, I think he's politically going to some places that are not traditionally Republican, because I don't even think, I think he's destroyed the Republican Party.

00:21:37.000 I just don't see the same Republican Party I remember at all.

00:21:40.000 I see a different thing and it's flying.

00:21:42.000 It's a MAGA party.

00:21:42.000 Yeah, it's a MAGA party.

00:21:44.000 Right, exactly.

00:21:45.000 And that's a very different thing because I see MAGA as mostly the labor faction that was cut loose by the Democrats in the Clinton administration.

00:21:52.000 And so they've now found a home under MAGA. Interesting.

00:21:57.000 Right.

00:21:57.000 Because blue collar people were generally union people, which were generally Democrats.

00:22:03.000 Totally.

00:22:04.000 And then Clinton turned the Democratic Party into a second corporate party so that those people were homeless. 0.93

00:22:10.000 And then Trump picked them up as MAGA and they're now under the Republican banner.

00:22:15.000 But it doesn't read like the Republican Party at all to me.

00:22:18.000 And now it's picked up a, you know, I don't want to say technocratic, that's dismissive, but it's got this Silicon Valley component to it.

00:22:27.000 Yes, that's recent.

00:22:29.000 That's recent over the last year.

00:22:31.000 It is interesting, right, because we did growing up always associate unions and blue collar people with voting Democrat because Democrats were looking out for the middle class, looking out for people's best interests, supporting unions and fair wages and funding schools and all that kind of stuff.

00:22:50.000 Keep a neighborhood safe.

00:22:51.000 And Republicans were more like small government. 1.00

00:22:55.000 Fuck you. 1.00

00:22:55.000 Figure it out. 1.00

00:22:56.000 I don't want to pay taxes.

00:22:57.000 Yes.

00:22:57.000 Stingy.

00:22:58.000 And they were the ones that are encouraging war. 0.78

00:23:00.000 Yep.

00:23:01.000 Which is crazy today that you have this massive 180-degree shift.

00:23:06.000 And the Democrats are talking about how important it is that we keep funding Ukraine.

00:23:11.000 And that we have some sort of...

00:23:14.000 Whether you're pro-Hamas or pro-Palestine, I should say, or whether you're pro-Israel, there's involvement in that. 0.99

00:23:23.000 No Democrats are saying, we need to get the fuck out of there. 0.98

00:23:26.000 They're saying, we need to free Palestine. 0.99

00:23:28.000 Oh, okay.

00:23:29.000 How are you going to do that?

00:23:30.000 How are you going to do that?

00:23:32.000 How much is involved in that?

00:23:33.000 Are you going to bring in people?

00:23:35.000 Are you going to send people there?

00:23:36.000 What are you going to do? 0.99

00:23:37.000 Are you going to kill people for this? 0.98

00:23:39.000 What are we doing? 0.89

00:23:39.000 The Democrats are—you guys are looking for war. 0.89

00:23:42.000 You're not looking for peaceful solutions?

00:23:44.000 Like, this is kind of weird.

00:23:46.000 This is interesting, you know, that we need to beat Russia. 1.00

00:23:48.000 Are you out of your fucking mind? 1.00

00:23:50.000 Are you serious? 1.00

00:23:51.000 Do you know how big that place is?

00:23:52.000 Do you know how much military force is behind Putin?

00:23:56.000 What are you talking about?

00:23:57.000 What are you talking about?

00:23:58.000 Like, what if he just decides to go nuclear at any point in time?

00:24:02.000 If he gets pressured, you keep advancing further and further into Russia, and he's like, I'll just end this right now. 0.99

00:24:08.000 I'll just turn Kiev into a fucking sandbox. 0.99

00:24:13.000 Boom. 1.00

00:24:14.000 And then what do we do?

00:24:16.000 No, it's insane.

00:24:17.000 And the hardest part, I'm sure you have these people in your life too, but let's just take my parents for a second.

00:24:24.000 Okay.

00:24:24.000 My parents are good people.

00:24:26.000 Lifelong Democrats.

00:24:28.000 They live in LA, surrounded by Hollywood types.

00:24:32.000 They cannot seem to grasp the fact that the party that they believed in is now doing the inverse of everything they signed up for.

00:24:41.000 Exactly.

00:24:42.000 Because the New York Times rephrases everything so it seems like the values are still there.

00:24:48.000 Right.

00:24:49.000 Which is wild.

00:24:50.000 It's crazy.

00:24:51.000 And if you're not a New York Times reader, you can barely figure out what these people are talking about.

00:24:57.000 Did you see the article that I posted on my Instagram that's a title of a New York Times article for today?

00:25:02.000 Which one?

00:25:05.000 Jamie, pull this up.

00:25:06.000 I want Brett to see this so you know this is real.

00:25:08.000 This isn't the Babylon Bee.

00:25:10.000 This is an actual New York Times article.

00:25:16.000 You see it?

00:25:20.000 This is so crazy.

00:25:22.000 It's really hard to believe that someone would print this and the New York Times would say, yeah, we like it.

00:25:27.000 Put it out there.

00:25:29.000 I'm not quite sure what to expect.

00:25:31.000 Look at this.

00:25:31.000 Oh, yeah, of course.

00:25:32.000 The Constitution is sacred.

00:25:34.000 Is it also dangerous?

00:25:37.000 Right.

00:25:38.000 One of the biggest threats to American politics might be the country's founding document. 0.99

00:25:43.000 What the fuck are you talking about? 0.98

00:25:46.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:25:47.000 One of the biggest threats to America's politics?

00:25:50.000 It might be one of the greatest documents that any country was ever founded on, if not the greatest ever.

00:25:57.000 That could be a threat to America's politics.

00:26:00.000 What politics are we talking about?

00:26:02.000 How could you possibly gaslight me enough to go along with you on this?

00:26:09.000 Yeah, it's incredible.

00:26:10.000 I mean, it's, on the one hand, completely predictable, right?

00:26:14.000 Because there's obviously an authoritarian force there that just grinds its teeth at night over the Constitution and the fact that it prevents it from doing things that it just wants to do last week, you know?

00:26:26.000 Yeah.

00:26:26.000 And so of course they're like scratching their heads like can we come up with an argument for why it might be time to get rid of that thing?

00:26:34.000 And of course if you're a normal thinking person, this is complete insanity.

00:26:39.000 But if you're a New York Times reader, I'm sure that fits with the kind of ethos that's been cultivated.

00:26:46.000 Well, this is why a person like Trump is so important to them. 0.99

00:26:49.000 Because if you don't have someone that is an imminent threat on the horizon in three months, it's very difficult to justify all this shit. 0.98

00:26:58.000 So if you have Kamala Harris and she's competing against Ron DeSantis, if it's just Kamala Harris and Ron DeSantis and Trump doesn't exist, maybe he died. 0.99

00:27:10.000 Maybe he died in the last few years.

00:27:15.000 You wouldn't be able to make that argument.

00:27:18.000 There's no imminent threat.

00:27:20.000 Let's say Mitt Romney.

00:27:22.000 Let's say someone even more moderate as a Republican, even more palatable.

00:27:26.000 You can't make that argument that we can't have a First Amendment because the First Amendment is getting in the way.

00:27:32.000 The First Amendment is allowing people to say things that aren't true, misinformation and disinformation.

00:27:38.000 And right here, we're September 2nd.

00:27:41.000 I think yesterday was the first day where Brazil banned Twitter.

00:27:46.000 I know.

00:27:47.000 So X is illegal to have in Brazil as of today, as of yesterday.

00:27:52.000 And not only is it illegal, but you go through it through a VPN and they will charge you $8,000 a day.

00:28:00.000 I know.

00:28:01.000 It's incredible that we are watching this.

00:28:04.000 Insane.

00:28:05.000 But I would remind you...

00:28:07.000 They did pull this stuff when it was Mitt Romney, when it was George W. Bush, right?

00:28:13.000 The rhetoric was still existential threat, right?

00:28:17.000 And they always have particular versions of this, right?

00:28:20.000 Not as ramped up as this is, though.

00:28:22.000 This is like Hitler talk. 0.83

00:28:24.000 They never talked about Mitt Romney like he was Hitler.

00:28:26.000 I agree.

00:28:27.000 And as I've been saying since the beginning of this electoral cycle, they fear Bobby Kennedy far more than they fear Trump because actually Trump gives them the only argument for their existence that is functional, right?

00:28:40.000 They don't have an affirmative argument for why they should be in power.

00:28:42.000 But being the alternative to Trump is, you know, that's a pitch.

00:28:48.000 Right.

00:28:50.000 So we are now somewhere pretty interesting in the sense that I think, you know, to the faithful, that argument still works.

00:29:02.000 But to a larger and larger group of people, they're seeing right through it.

00:29:07.000 They're understanding.

00:29:08.000 First of all, we lived through four years of Trump, right?

00:29:10.000 There were good aspects.

00:29:11.000 There were bad aspects.

00:29:12.000 But it was not distinguished as some moment of total failure of our system or something.

00:29:21.000 There were a lot of elements of it that were very positive.

00:29:24.000 Right.

00:29:24.000 That's where a fun meme is.

00:29:29.000 There's a fun meme that someone made about how you're telling me that he's going to do these things that he didn't when he was in office and you're telling me that you're going to do these things that you didn't do and you're in office now.

00:29:42.000 Right.

00:29:43.000 Like, what?

00:29:44.000 And add to that, you're doing the things that you're accusing him of intending to do, right?

00:29:50.000 All this lawfare stuff, that's frightening.

00:29:53.000 They're weaponizing the courts.

00:30:18.000 Right.

00:30:22.000 Right.

00:30:25.000 Right.

00:30:42.000 They are setting a different standard for Trump because they want to keep him tied up in court.

00:30:46.000 Maybe they want to lock him up and put him in prison.

00:30:49.000 But whatever they're doing is un-American.

00:30:53.000 It is anti-American.

00:30:54.000 And very dangerous because you've set a precedent now.

00:30:57.000 Now, let's imagine, like, we've gone through shifts in this country where we leaned heavily left, like during the Carter administration was run by...

00:31:04.000 Serious lefty, you know, and then what if now it is run by a hardcore right-winger?

00:31:10.000 What if there's some sort of an attack on American soil and it ramps up patriotism and people get real angry and right, you know, just like the left has moved so far left that if you're not in favor of hormone blockers for kids, somehow you're transphobic and you're a bigot.

00:31:28.000 Like, somehow or another, if you're not in favor of that, you're a bigot.

00:31:31.000 What if it gets so right That if you're not in favor of, you know, stops and frisks all over the country for everyone, then somehow or another you're anti-safety of the nation.

00:31:47.000 And if you're not in favor of no-knock raids on people's homes with no warrants, that somehow or another you're a danger to our democracy.

00:31:55.000 Like, it can go really creepy far right, just like it's really creepy far left, and then they're utilizing the courts If they fill the courts up with a bunch of hardcore Republicans, now you're utilizing the courts against people in a way that you would find very offensive because you've set a precedent.

00:32:13.000 Right.

00:32:14.000 And I think actually we are already living this nightmare in one way because – What they did was loaded powers into the executive branch that were never supposed to be there.

00:32:25.000 They created emperor-like discretion and they gave those powers to the president, I think believing that they would never be in the hands of anybody that wasn't on their team.

00:32:36.000 Right?

00:32:36.000 And I'm not talking red or blue.

00:32:38.000 I'm talking about inside versus outside.

00:32:41.000 And one of the reasons that I think the reaction to Trump is what it was, is that he was taking over an office that had been given all of these exotic tools that he could in principle use against anybody.

00:32:53.000 These are tools that are absolutely a violation of our Constitution, and yet they exist there.

00:32:58.000 And so the need to prevent him from having access to those things was existential in their mind.

00:33:06.000 And so anyway, the point is they created tools they never expected to be in the hands of someone else.

00:33:12.000 And that is the situation.

00:33:13.000 That's the scenario you're describing here as well. 0.99

00:33:16.000 Why do you think the multiverse is bullshit? 0.87

00:33:19.000 I just don't think it makes any sense because if you take the multiverse literally, So let me back up a second. 0.97

00:33:29.000 We have a principle that tells us more or less what is true called parsimony, right?

00:33:37.000 We take the simplest explanation that accounts for what we observe and we imagine it's true.

00:33:44.000 And there's a little imperfection in there, but if you had all the information, it would work, I think, perfectly.

00:33:50.000 And then there's a flaw in how we apply it.

00:33:54.000 The multiverse is analytically very simple, right?

00:34:00.000 It's just one move.

00:34:01.000 Oh, there are an infinite number of universes.

00:34:03.000 Every moment there are an infinite number of things that could happen and a universe is created for each one.

00:34:08.000 That's very simple.

00:34:09.000 I just said it in one sentence.

00:34:12.000 On the other hand, at the practical level, it couldn't possibly be more wasteful and absurd.

00:34:20.000 Right?

00:34:21.000 And the idea that, you know, there's going to be two universes.

00:34:26.000 You're going to double the universe because I just moved my glasses and we need one universe in which I didn't and one universe in which I did.

00:34:32.000 And then each of those universes is going to proliferate out from each moment.

00:34:36.000 This does not make any sense.

00:34:37.000 So I think what it is, is...

00:34:41.000 This is just part of the process of discovery.

00:34:44.000 If you imagine an infinite number of proliferating universes from each branching point, right, that accounts, that allows us to understand.

00:34:55.000 We could describe it that way and it allows us to understand the universe as we observe it.

00:35:00.000 Now the question is, what's really going on that allows that to take place without the proliferation of universes?

00:35:07.000 That's why I think it's wrong.

00:35:08.000 It's the intermediate, it's the immature analytical point at which we have noticed that something is going on, we know we need to explain it, and we haven't yet stood in the right place to explain it in a way that's actually efficient.

00:35:21.000 So what we're doing is we're explaining it in a way that if you typed it out, it's one tweet.

00:35:28.000 But isn't existence itself insane?

00:35:33.000 The universe itself is insane.

00:35:35.000 Subatomic particles are insane.

00:35:37.000 Going all the way out to solar nurseries.

00:35:39.000 It's all insane.

00:35:40.000 The whole thing's insane.

00:35:41.000 It's insane in scope.

00:35:42.000 It's insane in size.

00:35:44.000 It's insane in its complexity.

00:35:46.000 It's almost incomprehensible.

00:35:48.000 Almost incomprehensible.

00:35:49.000 So why would it be more incomprehensible if there was infinite variety and infinite numbers of them?

00:35:58.000 It would just be a different level of crazy that we weren't aware of.

00:36:02.000 Well, no.

00:36:04.000 No?

00:36:04.000 I mean, I don't think so, because it's not a different level.

00:36:07.000 Let's just agree that the universe, the size of it is...

00:36:14.000 Impossible to actually comprehend.

00:36:15.000 I think it's literally impossible.

00:36:17.000 We just look at it as a number.

00:36:19.000 It's a small number, actually.

00:36:20.000 You look at it, oh, like what's the most recent, the James Webb Telescope, the most recent advanced versions of it, they're talking about 22 billion plus years for the Big Bang.

00:36:29.000 They're looking at that now because of the structure of some galaxies that shouldn't exist, shouldn't exist in the time period of which they would have to Be formed in a certain amount of years.

00:36:44.000 It's very contentious, but there's some of these people studying the results that seem to believe it's quite possible that you might want to push that date back to whatever the Big Bang is.

00:36:55.000 Right.

00:36:56.000 Okay.

00:36:57.000 And then there's Sir Roger Penrose who thinks it's like a constant cycle.

00:37:00.000 Right?

00:37:01.000 I'm open to all these ideas except ones like the multiverse.

00:37:06.000 Let's put it this way.

00:37:07.000 You haven't solved a problem by invoking the multiverse.

00:37:12.000 What you've done is you've caused a problem that is like the original problem that you had raised to the infinity.

00:37:21.000 Right.

00:37:22.000 And so my feeling is anytime you've made the philosophical problem you had that we all admit is really, really difficult, infinitely worse, you probably made a wrong move.

00:37:33.000 I don't know about that.

00:37:35.000 I don't think that's necessarily true.

00:37:40.000 Just because we haven't solved the problem of this immense thing that's impossible to grasp, it doesn't mean it can't be way bigger than we even imagine in a concept that's impossible to grasp.

00:37:54.000 And there's got to be some reason why so many people are entertaining this multiverse theory.

00:38:00.000 It's not – well, that's just because we're descendants of chimp-like ancestors and we have limited tools to bring to bear to this sort of thing. 0.73

00:38:08.000 And it's exciting.

00:38:09.000 Right.

00:38:10.000 It's exciting.

00:38:10.000 It's a good way to think of it.

00:38:11.000 If you think of it as a temporary stand-in for whatever the answer is that's going to dawn on us at some point, it's fine.

00:38:18.000 It's a good thought problem.

00:38:20.000 But imagining that it's real – You know, you said, you know, maybe the problem is infinitely bigger than we thought.

00:38:30.000 It's not infinitely bigger.

00:38:31.000 It's the rate of growth of the problem is every instant needs multiple universes for the most trivial of modifications.

00:38:43.000 I'm sorry.

00:38:44.000 That just does not sound like nature to me.

00:38:46.000 I think it sounds like the universe, though.

00:38:48.000 I don't think the universe necessarily sounds like nature.

00:38:50.000 Nature is what we see here.

00:38:52.000 But what we see everywhere is so bizarre.

00:38:54.000 Black holes are so bizarre. 0.97

00:38:55.000 Supernovas, they're so fucking bizarre. 0.93

00:38:58.000 The fact that there's a giant black hole in the center of every galaxy that's one half of one percent of the mass of the galaxy, and it might be another universe inside of that thing. 0.93

00:39:07.000 But see, I actually think that one, I mean, I was waiting for that discovery for my whole life.

00:39:12.000 And when I finally heard it, it was like, okay, now I understand why you've got this huge swirling thing.

00:39:17.000 You've got this giant gravitational mass in the center that you can't see.

00:39:21.000 Now it makes sense.

00:39:22.000 So that was like a simplifying discovery.

00:39:25.000 Well, the existence of the black hole, but the concept of a black hole being essentially a portal into another universe where there's hundreds of billions of galaxies, each one with a black hole in the center of them.

00:39:35.000 You go through each one of those, you have hundreds of billions of galaxies, each one with a black hole in the center of it, and you just keep doing that forever and ever and ever.

00:39:43.000 Isn't that kind of the multiverse?

00:39:45.000 Well, let's put it this way.

00:39:47.000 I mean, A, we're a little bit safe here because by definition there's no way of peering into those decks.

00:39:53.000 Right.

00:39:53.000 For now.

00:39:55.000 I think forever.

00:39:56.000 You think AI can't get a grasp on this in a better way?

00:39:59.000 Well, it might be able to...

00:40:00.000 Quantum computing a thousand years from now might have a...

00:40:02.000 The problem is that there's a physical reason you can't.

00:40:05.000 For the same reason the light can't get out, there's no way to peer in.

00:40:07.000 Right.

00:40:08.000 So, am I cool with the idea that maybe there's an equilibrium, that, you know, a black hole where things, once they're pulled in over that threshold, they never emerge again, and that maybe they emerge somewhere else?

00:40:22.000 Yeah, I could imagine parallel things that are entangled in this way.

00:40:27.000 That does not sound inherently like an insane cheat to me because what we have is a mystery staring us in the face in every one of those ultra-massive black holes.

00:40:39.000 What the hell is it?

00:40:40.000 Right.

00:40:42.000 What about a future in which we develop some sort of propulsion system and attach it to a drone that's not based on fuel, it's based on some sort of gravity thing, and it allows you to traverse immense distances very quickly. 0.53

00:40:59.000 And then we could actually get that fucker way out there, take some video, and bring it back.

00:41:05.000 Well, you're gonna void the warranty, I'm pretty sure. 0.97

00:41:08.000 Well, it's okay.

00:41:09.000 It's all funded by the government.

00:41:10.000 We have infinite money.

00:41:11.000 We just print checks.

00:41:12.000 Oh, we'll just tax people. 0.99

00:41:14.000 And we'll blame the UFOs.

00:41:15.000 Yeah.

00:41:16.000 Which is what I think they're doing, by the way.

00:41:18.000 Using the UFO story?

00:41:20.000 Yeah.

00:41:20.000 Oh, yeah.

00:41:21.000 I think so, too.

00:41:21.000 Yeah, I think both things are true.

00:41:24.000 I think we have been visited, and I think it only makes sense.

00:41:27.000 I think there is life out there, because it doesn't make sense if there isn't.

00:41:31.000 And I think I would visit. 0.91

00:41:33.000 If I got a thousand years more advanced than we are, and we found out about some planet that's 2,000 light years away that actually is making nuclear bombs, fuck yeah, I'd visit. 0.95

00:41:42.000 Of course. 0.96

00:41:42.000 Of course I'd visit. 0.96

00:41:43.000 100%.

00:41:44.000 So of course they would visit, and of course they would want to protect us from the overwhelming shock to our culture that would undoubtedly be thrust upon us if we were confronted with a city-sized spaceship that's hovering over Detroit,

00:42:04.000 just hovering over there.

00:42:07.000 It would send the world into a massive panic.

00:42:09.000 No one would know what to do.

00:42:11.000 So I would hide.

00:42:12.000 I'm not sure about this.

00:42:13.000 Really?

00:42:13.000 So I want to just adjust a couple of things you said.

00:42:16.000 Okay.

00:42:16.000 Please do.

00:42:16.000 So my perspective, you're absolutely right.

00:42:18.000 It would be...

00:42:19.000 There's every reason to think there's lots of life in the universe.

00:42:22.000 Right.

00:42:23.000 And that life that attains a certain level of cognition will inevitably create technologies that break boundaries that it can't biologically break.

00:42:33.000 So it'll traverse some distance across space.

00:42:39.000 But the real question is, how many islands of life?

00:42:44.000 What's the closest one?

00:42:46.000 How traversable is the cosmos?

00:42:49.000 It may not be traversable at all at those scales, or it may be much more traversable than we know, and then it doesn't take very many islands of life to have somebody visit us.

00:42:59.000 But as to your last point, I actually, well, first of all, Everybody, every thinking person I know is...

00:43:11.000 Pretty troubled by the present.

00:43:14.000 And, you know, a hostile alien force would freak everybody out.

00:43:20.000 But I, A, I can't see a reason why aliens would be hostile.

00:43:26.000 Doesn't make sense to me.

00:43:28.000 They don't have to be hostile.

00:43:29.000 Yeah.

00:43:29.000 Just being there.

00:43:30.000 Right.

00:43:30.000 But then, if they were just there, first of all, we've been training for this.

00:43:34.000 Right?

00:43:34.000 We all spend a lot of time on sci-fi stories of aliens and...

00:43:40.000 All that stuff.

00:43:42.000 So I think actually we wouldn't be impressed enough because we've seen really impressive stuff on screens again and again and again.

00:43:50.000 If you actually heard that this stuff was going on, if the ship showed up in the sky and you could see it with your binoculars, I think the question is, well, Are they friendly?

00:44:04.000 And what do they have to say?

00:44:07.000 I honestly don't think...

00:44:09.000 If I heard about it, I would think...

00:44:14.000 That's got to be good news because...

00:44:16.000 Right, but to anyone in power, this would be a gigantic threat.

00:44:19.000 To anyone trying to pass off some sort of narrative that this is the...

00:44:24.000 that we're in the lead in terms of like the moral high ground of the world, and that we're, you know, we're the wisest, we're the best, we're gonna make decisions for everybody, that would throw a monkey wrench completely into the gears of that.

00:44:36.000 Oh, totally.

00:44:37.000 So they would lose all control.

00:44:39.000 Right.

00:44:39.000 They would lose all authority, they would lose all respect.

00:44:41.000 But why are the aliens abiding by their plan?

00:44:43.000 Because I don't think they are.

00:44:45.000 That's not what I'm saying.

00:44:46.000 I think that would freak them out and they're not doing that.

00:44:50.000 Right?

00:44:51.000 I think if they are real and they do observe us, they probably observe us in a way where there's a limited amount of detection.

00:44:59.000 And I think there's probably, if I was going to acclimate a culture to the idea that they're not alone, I would do it slowly.

00:45:09.000 That way you could have the same ultimate effect eventually and maybe...

00:45:15.000 Maybe help them along their evolution as well, along their cultural evolution to slowly introduce this concept that they're not alone and then do it over decades, which is exactly what's been happening. 0.99

00:45:27.000 And the acceptance of it has changed from when I was a kid, you talk about UFOs, you're a fucking kook. 1.00

00:45:33.000 100%. 1.00

00:45:34.000 Straight up kook.

00:45:35.000 And then the Bob Lazar story came around and everybody was like, hey, wait a minute.

00:45:39.000 Is that guy telling the truth? 0.99

00:45:40.000 And that was like 89, but still seemed like bullshit. 0.98

00:45:42.000 And then there was a bunch of questions about his education background. 1.00

00:45:47.000 Bullshit artist.

00:45:48.000 But then over time, more people have seen enough things like Commander David Fravor, and more people have seen things that have no explanation whatsoever. 0.98

00:45:58.000 We're good to go. 0.96

00:46:21.000 Yeah, it's a different world, but I still haven't seen anything that isn't best explained as PSYOP bullshit. 0.98

00:46:27.000 Right. 0.97

00:46:28.000 I haven't either.

00:46:28.000 But also, I haven't seen anything, right?

00:46:31.000 Right.

00:46:36.000 Everyone has to just sort of trust you.

00:46:39.000 Unless you have some kind of evidence, everyone has to trust you.

00:46:42.000 Even if it's a whole town.

00:46:43.000 It's a unique experience in the town. 0.99

00:46:46.000 Mass hypnosis, bunch of bullshit artists, they're taking advantage of it for tourism. 0.98

00:46:50.000 Like Virginia in Brazil. 1.00

00:46:51.000 The entire town saw this thing. 1.00

00:46:54.000 So, you know, I'm not sure if it's all bullshit. 0.99

00:46:58.000 I think there's some bullshit mixed in with some real stuff. 0.99

00:47:01.000 That's what I think. 0.99

00:47:02.000 This is my conclusion over time.

00:47:04.000 Because if you go back to like the Kenneth Arnold sightings in the 1950s, we didn't have anything that moved like that.

00:47:09.000 Nobody did.

00:47:10.000 There's no way anybody had anything in the 1950s that could shoot across the sky, soundless, make no noise, skip like flying saucers is the way they described it.

00:47:23.000 I think there was nine of them together.

00:47:27.000 We didn't have anything like that.

00:47:28.000 So maybe, occasionally, we're visited.

00:47:31.000 Maybe, occasionally, they show themselves.

00:47:33.000 And maybe they have been here.

00:47:36.000 Tucker thinks they've been here all along.

00:47:38.000 He thinks they're a part of this world that we live in.

00:47:41.000 They hide from us, and maybe they live in the ocean.

00:47:45.000 Yeah.

00:47:45.000 I mean, you know what my stock and trade is and my feeling is I'm perfectly open to the possibility that there are alien intelligences in the universe.

00:47:55.000 I'm perfectly open to the possibility that they would stop by. 0.98

00:48:00.000 But I'm going to need something like evidence that isn't better explained by terrestrial bullshit because, frankly, the terrestrial bullshit is guaranteed. 0.99

00:48:12.000 Right. 0.98

00:48:12.000 If they had some sort of a drone that used gravity and could zip across the sky like 10x light speed, they wouldn't tell you about it. 0.98

00:48:22.000 Yeah, but I don't even think – look, I think the fact – and I think we may have talked about this before, but the fact that these things are doing stuff that's beyond any terrestrial craft that we know of and they're silent – That's because they're not craft.

00:48:38.000 They're projections of some kind.

00:48:40.000 And so they're visually very compelling, but they do not disturb the atoms that they're passing through because they don't displace anything.

00:48:50.000 So you think the radar, when they use radar and they find these things, what do you think that is?

00:48:57.000 Oh man, I think that's people putting blips on other people's radar and it's not the only place in history that that shows up, right?

00:49:03.000 So you could force a blip onto someone's radar?

00:49:06.000 Sure.

00:49:07.000 You could hack their radar?

00:49:07.000 And heck, if you had a...

00:49:09.000 How would you do that?

00:49:11.000 Well, these radars are all computerized.

00:49:14.000 Well, let's talk about the David Fravor one, right?

00:49:16.000 Because this is 2004, so it kind of limits our ability in terms of, you know, you have high technology, you have extremely powerful computers, you have a lot of stuff going on, but we certainly don't have what we have 20 years later, right?

00:49:31.000 Yep.

00:49:31.000 We all agree to that.

00:49:32.000 Now, they have multiple different mediums, multiple different types of evidence.

00:49:39.000 They have visual eyewitness testimony, And more than one jet sees this thing.

00:49:45.000 More than one pilot sees this thing.

00:49:47.000 They all have the same story.

00:49:48.000 This thing zips across the sky.

00:49:50.000 They have the radar that shows that this thing went from 50,000 feet above sea level to 50 in a second.

00:49:57.000 They have this thing moving at speeds on video, where you see it move on video that would turn anybody inside it into jello.

00:50:04.000 Yep. 0.94

00:50:04.000 So it's, whatever the fuck this is, it's doing something that we didn't think human beings could do. 0.94

00:50:09.000 What's possible, yeah. 0.96

00:50:09.000 Right. 0.96

00:50:10.000 So you have three different ways of verifying that there is something there.

00:50:14.000 You have the radar, you have video, you have eyewitness testimony, you have this thing flying to the cat point where they were initially supposed to, when they were doing their training mission, they were supposed to meet.

00:50:24.000 Yep. 0.94

00:50:24.000 There's a lot of weird shit with that. 0.94

00:50:26.000 Yep. 0.99

00:50:28.000 But...

00:50:28.000 Do you think they could fake that?

00:50:31.000 Yeah.

00:50:32.000 I mean, I do think you could fake it because you just have multiple attack vectors.

00:50:37.000 So how would you fake a visual sighting from trained fighter jet pilots over the ocean?

00:50:48.000 A projection.

00:50:49.000 A projection.

00:50:50.000 And where would the projector be?

00:50:52.000 I don't know.

00:50:53.000 Could be coming from space.

00:50:55.000 Could be from an aircraft that's flying too high to sea.

00:50:59.000 I don't know.

00:50:59.000 And how would you do that?

00:51:01.000 What technology would enable you to make something...

00:51:04.000 I mean, they even had a disturbance of the ocean floor.

00:51:08.000 Or of the ocean surface, rather.

00:51:11.000 So I'm not an expert in these technologies.

00:51:14.000 I'm not claiming that I could do it.

00:51:16.000 But what I'm saying is, A, you have a huge amount of classified technology.

00:51:23.000 Just imagine for a second how useful it would be to be able to convince your enemy that you had aircraft in its airspace, that they were able to exceed limits, whatever.

00:51:35.000 Sure.

00:51:36.000 Do you think we've worked on the ability to fool an enemy into believing that we have capacities that we don't have?

00:51:42.000 Of course.

00:51:42.000 Yeah, of course.

00:51:43.000 So given that those programs are essentially certain to exist, do you think anybody's ever going to have the idea that actually, in this case, it would be useful if some unassailable authorities were to have undeniable experiences that suggest X,

00:52:01.000 Y, or Z? Somebody's going to come up with that idea.

00:52:04.000 So this would explain why these things are able to stay stationary in 120 knot winds because they're not affected by physical reality.

00:52:14.000 Yeah.

00:52:15.000 They're just images.

00:52:16.000 I mean, I know you have.

00:52:18.000 There are incredibly good magicians.

00:52:22.000 Yeah.

00:52:23.000 Who will do stuff in front of you that, you know, you don't walk out of there thinking the laws of physics have been broken because you understand that magic is a genre where you walk in and you agree to suspend your disbelief enough to look through your eyes and register something as if it's violated a law of physics.

00:52:40.000 But we all know it's magic, right?

00:52:42.000 David Blaine.

00:52:42.000 Right.

00:52:43.000 Exactly.

00:52:44.000 An illusion.

00:52:45.000 Yeah.

00:52:45.000 Now imagine that you had...

00:53:03.000 So, all I'm saying is...

00:53:09.000 The evidence that these things exist always hovers in the realm where a ruthless whatever exists.

00:53:19.000 Could have faked it, right?

00:53:21.000 Whether that has to do with an MKUltra intervention where somebody's been given drugs they don't know they've been given and they've been shown things that they are more open to because they were in a state in which they were induced openness.

00:53:36.000 That's a possibility.

00:53:37.000 Or a mixture of things.

00:53:38.000 You see something.

00:53:39.000 You've been brought into a state of openness.

00:53:43.000 You accept it more than you think you have because you don't know that anybody tinkered with your wiring.

00:53:49.000 I just am waiting to see a piece of evidence that really makes me go, huh, I don't think we could have done that.

00:53:56.000 Have you seen any of Gary Nolan's stuff on the metallurgy, on the different samples they've collected from these supposed down crafts that defy all our understanding of how to create alloys and how expensive it would be to craft these things?

00:54:11.000 Let me ask you a question.

00:54:12.000 You've got alloys that are beyond known human technology and you've got discussion of alloys that are beyond human technology.

00:54:22.000 Which is it?

00:54:24.000 Well, it's certainly discussions.

00:54:26.000 That's the problem.

00:54:27.000 Right.

00:54:28.000 I mean, I don't know who...

00:54:31.000 See if you can find anything on Gary Nolan's samples.

00:54:36.000 So Diana Posolko, who'd been on the podcast before, she had done some excavating of these areas where they purport that these things had crashed and they could still find pieces, which made me a little skeptical.

00:54:50.000 As soon as I see you could still find them, you didn't pick them all up?

00:54:51.000 Why wouldn't they send someone out there to pick everything up?

00:54:54.000 You would sift.

00:54:56.000 You would take truckloads and you would sift.

00:54:58.000 You would get every single scrap of that stuff. 0.99

00:55:01.000 But if I wanted someone to believe that a craft was there, I'd leave a bunch of bullshit out in the field. 0.99

00:55:06.000 I'd blindfold them like they did. 0.99

00:55:08.000 I'd take them out to this spot.

00:55:09.000 This is the spot.

00:55:10.000 Look around.

00:55:11.000 Oh, look, you found a piece. 0.99

00:55:12.000 Like, how do you not know where all the fucking pieces are? 0.99

00:55:15.000 If this thing crashed 30 years ago, why didn't you go over this place with a fine-toothed comb? 0.99

00:55:19.000 People do that for arrowheads. 0.65

00:55:21.000 Why would you not do that for alien craft metal?

00:55:25.000 Of course you would.

00:55:26.000 Yeah, also, there's the other problem.

00:55:28.000 It's like, why are these things crashing?

00:55:30.000 Right, exactly. 0.67

00:55:31.000 They're so fucking good, they can get here from another dimension. 0.96

00:55:33.000 They're partying, they got here, and they just, they don't know they're... 0.99

00:55:38.000 They get a hold of some fucking Jack Daniels, the next thing you know, they're crashing in the sand. 0.99

00:55:43.000 They're having a good time in America. 0.99

00:55:45.000 It's also—that's a big problem, too.

00:55:47.000 A lot of these sightings are in America.

00:55:48.000 If you look at the chart, there's sightings overseas, for sure.

00:55:52.000 They happen all over the world, undoubtedly, but they have a lot more here.

00:55:56.000 We have an alien problem across many different dimensions.

00:56:01.000 Yeah, we do.

00:56:02.000 We have multiple alien problems.

00:56:05.000 Yeah, we have multiple— That's another thing that they're gaslighting people on, the idea that they would let people come over here so they would vote.

00:56:14.000 Of course they would.

00:56:16.000 That's a great way to, like, get voters.

00:56:18.000 So these are these pieces that Gary Nolan claims to have had.

00:56:21.000 And what does it say about these pieces?

00:56:24.000 Well, I can only find it in the video.

00:56:25.000 I was trying to find pictures of it somewhere else.

00:56:27.000 U.S. explosion.

00:56:28.000 Okay, so this is from, how do you say that?

00:56:31.000 Ubatuba?

00:56:32.000 Ubatuba, Brazil?

00:56:33.000 So this is a different, it might be a different pronunciation in Portuguese, but this is a different crash than the Virginia one.

00:56:40.000 So there's been multiple sightings and things happen in Brazil, apparently.

00:56:44.000 Brazil also has a little bit of an alien problem.

00:56:46.000 Oh yeah, a little one.

00:56:48.000 But the Varginia one is wild. 0.99

00:56:50.000 That's the most wild one.

00:56:51.000 Yeah, but those fragments there appeared, from where I'm sitting, to look like they were made of pixels.

00:57:00.000 Let me see that again.

00:57:01.000 That could just be a low-resolution photograph.

00:57:03.000 No, no.

00:57:03.000 I'm kidding with you.

00:57:04.000 I'm just saying we're looking at that thing as if we know that it's a fragment of metal and we're being told that it has properties that are unfamiliar.

00:57:13.000 But what we have, the evidence you and I have, is pixels.

00:57:18.000 Right.

00:57:18.000 Sure.

00:57:18.000 We're not there.

00:57:19.000 We don't get to see these things.

00:57:21.000 Also, even if you gave it to me, how's that going to help me?

00:57:24.000 I don't know what that is.

00:57:27.000 Even if you gave me the microscopes to look at it, I'm like, what am I seeing?

00:57:30.000 Right.

00:57:31.000 I'm seeing layers?

00:57:32.000 Is that what this is?

00:57:33.000 Right.

00:57:33.000 How'd they do this?

00:57:34.000 Right.

00:57:34.000 So that's why, look, I want a team of honest biologists to look at some space biology.

00:57:42.000 That would settle this immediately.

00:57:44.000 Yeah, immediately.

00:57:45.000 Immediately.

00:57:46.000 Yeah.

00:57:47.000 Like if there really is a body.

00:57:50.000 Just one.

00:57:50.000 Everyone says there's a frozen body somewhere.

00:57:53.000 Just one.

00:57:55.000 That's all it takes.

00:57:56.000 We can settle this tomorrow.

00:57:57.000 Let some people in.

00:57:58.000 Okay, here it is.

00:57:59.000 Alleged extraterrestrial metal from the bottom of a wedge-shaped craft in the late 1940s made of 26...

00:58:05.000 Alternating layers, 1 to 4 microns dark bismuth and 100 to 200 microns silver-magnesium-zinc alloy, each of six pieces received from U.S. Army source, were formed with a curvature that tapered.

00:58:19.000 Wow.

00:58:21.000 That is incredibly compelling metallurgical narrative.

00:58:27.000 If it's true.

00:58:28.000 Transmitted by pixels.

00:58:30.000 Yeah.

00:58:30.000 Right, that's the problem.

00:58:31.000 Yeah, that's the problem.

00:58:32.000 Also, the late 1940s. 0.99

00:58:34.000 How many of these fucking things crashed? 0.99

00:58:36.000 Oh, it was happening all the time. 0.99

00:58:38.000 That's the weird thing, right?

00:58:40.000 Like, think of how many Corvettes there are.

00:58:43.000 Yeah.

00:58:43.000 You don't find a whole lot of them, like, on the side of the road, crashed.

00:58:46.000 Yeah, it's not a common thing.

00:58:49.000 Nobody's finding Corvettes in the desert.

00:58:53.000 Look, we found a Corvette.

00:58:54.000 There's so many Corvettes.

00:58:55.000 There's millions of them.

00:58:56.000 Right.

00:58:57.000 And yet, most of them make it from A to B. But these fucking UFOs, they're so smart, they can come here from other planets, and they just, boom. 0.99

00:59:06.000 Well, maybe we're not on their map, and so they're like... 0.99

00:59:09.000 Or maybe the only people that are the only intelligent life outside of this planet that's willing to do it, they're like Australian outback people. 1.00

00:59:17.000 They're like those wild dudes who go overlanding.

00:59:22.000 You know, Australia has a big overlanding culture where they build up these vehicles and they take them off into the bush and they live off of them.

00:59:31.000 My friend Adam Greentree does that.

00:59:33.000 These people are wild.

00:59:34.000 Australians are wild folk.

00:59:35.000 So maybe they're like the Australians of space. 0.99

00:59:40.000 Overlanding and it doesn't always work out.

00:59:43.000 Overlanding. 0.99

00:59:43.000 They're these nuts. 0.99

00:59:45.000 There's people that go out in the desert for 30 days. 0.74

00:59:47.000 And they have enough food and water.

00:59:49.000 And they have a solar thing on the top of their rig.

00:59:51.000 And that charges their cell phone.

00:59:54.000 And they have jerry cans of petrol so they can keep going.

00:59:57.000 Well, I kind of dig this.

00:59:58.000 Yeah, it's fun.

00:59:59.000 If it were possible to...

01:00:03.000 Traverse vast empty spaces and go to places that were known to have life.

01:00:07.000 I'd be all about that.

01:00:08.000 But it would only be the real hardcore adventurers that would take that chance. 0.99

01:00:12.000 And maybe those people are nuts. 1.00

01:00:13.000 Maybe those alien people are nuts just like the human people are nuts that do that kind of stuff. 1.00

01:00:17.000 Right. 1.00

01:00:18.000 They like to get into trouble, winch themselves out.

01:00:20.000 Wild people.

01:00:21.000 They got winches on their spaceships.

01:00:23.000 Exactly.

01:00:25.000 Well, you've got to also think – here's another problem with the idea of them being biological.

01:00:31.000 It's far more effective to send things that are non-biological into space, like what we're doing on Mars.

01:00:36.000 We don't have a base on Mars, allegedly, but there's a lot of nutty people that believe we do.

01:00:41.000 But they do certainly have some robots that are on Mars that's gathering data, and they're doing it right now.

01:00:47.000 And so you don't have to worry about radiation, all the things that kill people, make people sad. 0.99

01:00:52.000 If we lose one of those rovers, who gives a fuck? 0.98

01:00:55.000 Make another rover. 0.98

01:00:56.000 Ship it out there.

01:00:56.000 Fly it.

01:00:57.000 Nobody cares.

01:00:58.000 If you lose 50 people, if you take 50 people and they die on your Mars trip, you're going to have...

01:01:03.000 Congress is going to be meeting about it.

01:01:05.000 What are we doing?

01:01:06.000 Why are we killing people?

01:01:07.000 Let's not do that.

01:01:08.000 And so as...

01:01:09.000 Time goes on and as technology improves and as sentient artificial intelligence becomes a better option for sending some intelligent robot to gather data, why would anybody go through space as a living creature? 1.00

01:01:25.000 It seems stupid. 0.99

01:01:27.000 Yeah, I mean, I agree. 1.00

01:01:28.000 On the other hand, I probably...

01:01:31.000 You know, why do I want to go to the Amazon, right?

01:01:35.000 I can see...

01:01:37.000 Yeah, but you can go to the Amazon.

01:01:38.000 That's the thing.

01:01:39.000 Humans live in the Amazon.

01:01:40.000 Humans don't live on Mars.

01:01:41.000 It's way simpler to send a robot to Mars...

01:01:44.000 Why would we go to Mars?

01:01:45.000 There is a good reason to go to Mars.

01:01:47.000 And the good reason to go to Mars is we're in jeopardy here.

01:01:54.000 And I don't think Mars is in any way a long-term plan for survival of people.

01:02:03.000 But there are processes unfolding here in our solar system that put us in jeopardy potentially here on Earth, and having just at least an outpost of people somewhere else would not be a bad hedge against that.

01:02:20.000 So I think we're not close enough.

01:02:23.000 Right.

01:02:24.000 But it's definitely a potential reality, and if it was possible, it would be a good move if you wanted to hedge your bets.

01:02:31.000 Yep.

01:02:32.000 And we should hedge our bets because...

01:02:34.000 Which is Elon's position on this.

01:02:35.000 Yeah.

01:02:35.000 You know, that we're in danger of the human race going extinct from a variety of different things.

01:02:42.000 Not even our own fault.

01:02:43.000 It could be a bunch of different things.

01:02:45.000 Asteroid impacts, super volcanoes.

01:02:47.000 A lot of stuff can happen right here that kills us all.

01:02:49.000 Space weather.

01:02:50.000 Oh yeah. 0.99

01:02:51.000 Fucking some supernova. 0.99

01:02:52.000 Too close. 0.99

01:02:53.000 Sorry.

01:02:54.000 Everything's cooked.

01:02:55.000 Micronova, which is actually a viable hypothesis.

01:02:59.000 Apparently this is something that can happen.

01:03:00.000 It doesn't necessarily destroy the star.

01:03:02.000 You can have a burst of radiation that radically alters things down here.

01:03:06.000 Oh, fun.

01:03:07.000 Yeah.

01:03:07.000 And maybe that's what happened to Mars, which is also part of the problem.

01:03:10.000 Because Mars at one time had an atmosphere.

01:03:12.000 Mars at one time had liquid water.

01:03:14.000 We don't really know what happened.

01:03:16.000 Yeah.

01:03:16.000 No, agreed.

01:03:17.000 Mars is probably a little closer to the sun at one point in time in the past.

01:03:21.000 It turns out that our solar system is dynamic and dangerous in a way that we don't really know because our study has happened in a period of calm.

01:03:36.000 And we're really looking at a very brief amount of time that we can measure in terms of our human experience.

01:03:42.000 It's so brief in terms of what we know about what human beings have experienced, and then we have to go back to core samples.

01:03:48.000 You have to go back to, oh, it appears that there was Earth-1, and Earth-1 was hit by another planet.

01:03:54.000 That's how we get the moon, and then the moon.

01:03:57.000 The moon's crazy.

01:03:58.000 Yeah.

01:03:59.000 What a crazy thing that this thing stabilizes us.

01:04:02.000 It's in the exact same right position, the exact right size, to make sure that we can exist as we exist right now.

01:04:11.000 It sounds like somebody put it there.

01:04:12.000 It's a beautiful thing.

01:04:13.000 It's a beautiful thing, but it's...

01:04:16.000 It's kind of kooky.

01:04:17.000 It's almost like someone put it there.

01:04:19.000 It's very convenient.

01:04:20.000 Yeah.

01:04:20.000 I mean, of course, there's an anthropic principle in play here as well, because the question is, are we here because we do have a moon to play the exact right role?

01:04:30.000 You know, this planet has a lot going for it.

01:04:33.000 And one way to think about that is, wow, that can't be, that's no accident, or no, we're here to talk about it because those accidents happen to line up here.

01:04:41.000 Right.

01:04:41.000 Or, yeah, it's odd, but that's also why there's not life everywhere.

01:04:45.000 Right.

01:04:46.000 And this does happen, and when it does happen, then you get some life.

01:04:49.000 Yeah.

01:04:49.000 But until it happens, and the variety of temperature changes over the course of the seasons is just too vast for what we understand as biological life to survive.

01:04:58.000 But then, or at least intelligent.

01:05:00.000 See, it's not just biological.

01:05:02.000 It has to be intelligent.

01:05:03.000 It has to be able to manipulate its environment.

01:05:05.000 It has to be able to record the previous thoughts in history, develop language.

01:05:10.000 And it's really tough to do that if you're in an environment and you've adapted to an environment that can vary by 300 degrees.

01:05:18.000 Right.

01:05:18.000 No, you're exactly right that the number of things that have to stack up before you get to the point that you're pondering why you're here is...

01:05:25.000 Is many.

01:05:26.000 You have to have food.

01:05:27.000 You have to have food and you have to have your feet up and go, why are we here?

01:05:30.000 Yeah, and you have to not be going routinely extinct because then suddenly go haywire.

01:05:35.000 Exactly.

01:05:36.000 This is why this kind of thought emerges once people sort of settle down.

01:05:39.000 Yep.

01:05:40.000 Get some food, start herding some cattle and go, hey, stars are kind of crazy.

01:05:44.000 Yeah.

01:05:45.000 You ever looked up?

01:05:47.000 Instead, everybody's just looking in the bushes for what's going to kill them, what's going to eat me.

01:05:51.000 You know, it's funny.

01:05:52.000 I've spent a lot of time watching animals.

01:05:54.000 They don't look at the sky.

01:05:56.000 Oh, that's interesting.

01:05:58.000 It is interesting.

01:05:59.000 That is very interesting.

01:06:00.000 It's very interesting.

01:06:01.000 I mean, you know, I get it.

01:06:02.000 It's not productive until you get pretty deep into thinking about, you know, abstract things as a way of finding what you're not doing right.

01:06:13.000 Well, we look outward and we look inward, which is really, like, next level, right?

01:06:16.000 Like, we look at microscopes and go, what is going on here?

01:06:19.000 Right.

01:06:20.000 We're all filled with bacteria.

01:06:21.000 This whole thing's nuts.

01:06:23.000 We're not even an individual.

01:06:24.000 We're an ecosystem.

01:06:26.000 We're individual ecosystems.

01:06:28.000 And the healthier your ecosystem is, the healthier you are as an individual because you're not really an individual.

01:06:35.000 So this is something Heather and I talk about frequently, is that we have more or less an epidemic of people who are maybe smart, but they don't know the difference between a complex system and a complicated one.

01:06:50.000 And so they take their complicated system thinking into complex systems.

01:06:54.000 What is the difference?

01:06:55.000 Whether it's predictable.

01:06:57.000 So, for example, your computer or your phone, you know, it's beyond your comprehension or my comprehension, but it is well understood how it works.

01:07:06.000 There's nothing mysterious about the outputs, right?

01:07:09.000 It's a system that all of the functionality is well understood.

01:07:15.000 But a biological creature isn't anything like this.

01:07:18.000 And so when you intervene, you know, when they give you a drug, and they think they know what it's going to do, they're intervening in a system in which things are connected in ways that they've not yet discovered, and they can't anticipate the cascading effects.

01:07:35.000 So, you know, we keep getting upended by the sense of like, You know, oh, this thing is wrong with you.

01:07:41.000 Here's a biochemical intervention that will adjust one parameter and put you back into health.

01:07:48.000 No, almost never true, right?

01:07:51.000 It is occasionally true if somebody is quite sick that you can push them back in the direction of homeostasis.

01:07:57.000 You can rescue them.

01:07:58.000 But the idea of improving health with an intervention is almost always the wrong approach, right?

01:08:05.000 You should be restoring the environment in which the body knows how to take care of itself because it is a complex system.

01:08:11.000 Given the right inputs, given the right parameters, it has all of the processes necessary to keep it functioning.

01:08:18.000 But if you think you're going to improve it by intervening, you're almost certain to do harm.

01:08:23.000 Hmm.

01:08:24.000 But what about medication for people that have, like, type 1 diabetes?

01:08:27.000 Right.

01:08:27.000 But the question is, why do you have type 1 diabetes?

01:08:30.000 But it's a genetic thing.

01:08:31.000 Yeah, but is it a...

01:08:32.000 Do you think our ancestors were walking around with type 1 diabetes?

01:08:36.000 They might have and just died off.

01:08:37.000 Well, but then you would have a very low rate of that gene, so our ancestors...

01:08:42.000 Right.

01:08:42.000 So the question is...

01:08:42.000 So you think there's an environmental reason for type 1 diabetes?

01:08:46.000 Right.

01:08:46.000 I think there is a massive disruption in all of the environments that we pass through in life that is causing a mismatch between what we are basically perpetual fishes out of water.

01:09:04.000 And that process is making us unhealthy in every single regard.

01:09:09.000 Heather and I call this hyper-novelty.

01:09:11.000 And in fact, it's not even that we're just out of our environment in which we can be healthy, but the rate of change is so high that even to the extent that we are highly adaptable, we can't adapt fast enough to keep up.

01:09:25.000 It's a pathology.

01:09:28.000 The flip side of this is if you did recognize exactly where you started that you are actually a system that is complex beyond even the sense that you're an organism.

01:09:39.000 I mean, you're multiple organisms at multiple different levels.

01:09:43.000 Every single cell And your body is being fueled by mitochondria that started out at a different place on the evolutionary tree and got taken inside of cells to become powerhouses.

01:09:54.000 That's a symbiosis.

01:09:55.000 So you are a symbiosis in each of your cells.

01:09:59.000 And even crazier, your psychology, your mentality affects your physical health.

01:10:06.000 Profoundly.

01:10:07.000 So the way you think about things, the joy you have in your life, the happiness that you encounter has an enormous effect on your biology.

01:10:17.000 100%.

01:10:18.000 Yes.

01:10:19.000 Which is just madness.

01:10:20.000 So the reductionist view of just give them a shot of this and a pill of that, like, well, there's a lot more going on here.

01:10:27.000 Right.

01:10:28.000 Now, our whole medical standpoint is fundamentally flawed.

01:10:35.000 And I'm really hoping that we will take the lesson of COVID seriously and we will recognize, in my opinion, allopathic medicine, standard Western medicine, is living on the gains of a tiny number of subfields.

01:10:57.000 Right?

01:10:57.000 The fact that a surgeon can put you back together after a car accident, that's something that we all know we want there for us if we need it, right?

01:11:08.000 That surgeon's capacity to do that is, A, predicated on the ability of the body to repair itself, right?

01:11:16.000 A surgeon can cut you open and go, you know, take out your spleen, but That surgeon is depending on the fact that your body knows how to heal the damage, right?

01:11:28.000 You can't go up to a car and slice it open and pull out the alternator and put in another one and have the car heal.

01:11:35.000 Staple it back together again.

01:11:36.000 Right.

01:11:36.000 It doesn't work like that.

01:11:37.000 So anyway, there are a few things in medicine.

01:11:42.000 That are transcendently awesome, like the ability of a surgeon to fix you and the ability of an emergency room physician to stabilize you where your body is spiraling out of control.

01:11:57.000 But those things result in a sense of the godlike powers of medicine.

01:12:03.000 And most of the time, medicine is in danger of hurting you.

01:12:06.000 If it's not of the mindset that we should be minimizing intervention, we should be figuring out what the root cause of the pathology is.

01:12:14.000 If we have to intervene, it should be a temporary intervention that pushes you back to the place where your body knows what to do, and then we should take our hands off, which is, of course, not profitable.

01:12:23.000 Right.

01:12:24.000 The problem is we want you to be hooked on a medication because then we can prescribe that to everybody and then you have the Sackler family.

01:12:31.000 Right.

01:12:31.000 The fact is this process, health, is far too important to be managed by market forces left to their own devices.

01:12:43.000 That's a good point.

01:12:45.000 And the problem is Right now it is.

01:12:48.000 And so we have to figure out how to regain control of that.

01:13:05.000 And themselves.

01:13:06.000 And themselves.

01:13:07.000 Yeah, which is more important because those doctors believed it.

01:13:09.000 They thought that it was true.

01:13:11.000 I was just talking to a doctor recently that regretted taking it.

01:13:15.000 And they really believed.

01:13:17.000 Yeah.

01:13:18.000 They believed.

01:13:18.000 They believed they were telling people what to do and now they're injured and, you know.

01:13:23.000 Yeah.

01:13:23.000 And then they have this practice where they told people, this is what you should do.

01:13:28.000 And then a bunch of people did it and They got all fucked up and now they're in a situation where it's not just that they got fucked up, but like how much time they have left? 0.98

01:13:37.000 Like how many of these people are gonna drop dead over the next 5-10 years? 0.99

01:13:40.000 Yeah.

01:13:40.000 Because it's not just one.

01:13:41.000 It's not just two.

01:13:43.000 There's probably gonna be a bunch.

01:13:44.000 There's a bunch of people out there with like real myocarditis.

01:13:48.000 There's a bunch of people out there that have blood clots.

01:13:50.000 The D-dimer test.

01:13:51.000 There's this doctor on Twitter the other day who was talking about how it's very rare that he uses a D-dimer test on unvaccinated patients and finds blood clots, but he finds a ton of them on unvaccinated patients.

01:14:03.000 And some of them are micro blood clots, some of them are significant, but they find quite a few.

01:14:09.000 Yeah, there was a paper recently, I haven't delved deeply into it, but that just says, you know, that the spike protein, which is obviously produced by the shots, is interacting with fibrin, which is a clot producing protein.

01:14:21.000 So it's not surprising that it's having these cascading effects.

01:14:24.000 But, okay, so you had all these doctors who gave terrible advice to patients.

01:14:30.000 They assured them not only that this was the right thing to do, but that it was safe, which they should have known better because it couldn't possibly have been.

01:14:37.000 And there's no course taught in medical school about You know, repentance.

01:14:47.000 How do these people repent for what they did so that they learn the lesson and it can't happen again?

01:14:53.000 And the fact is the whole system is rigged around pharma and they can't.

01:14:58.000 There's so many people out there that are still all in.

01:15:01.000 I've found some lady in my timeline. 1.00

01:15:04.000 I don't follow her, but she was talking about how disturbing it is to her that children are not being vaccinated and that COVID is killing kids and the reports that she has of child death.

01:15:20.000 Yeah.

01:15:41.000 Well, I will resist portraying it as a cold because I do think that ain't where we are.

01:15:47.000 It's not a cold to you, right?

01:15:48.000 When you got it, it was rough.

01:15:50.000 I got something that was pretty rough.

01:15:52.000 But let's put that aside for a second.

01:15:54.000 Let's say that this is not a very severe disease.

01:15:57.000 And by the way, I will just tell you at the risk of...

01:16:02.000 Opening old controversies.

01:16:05.000 It took me a long time to understand that ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, they have broad applicability across RNA viruses.

01:16:17.000 And many of the things that make us sick are RNA viruses.

01:16:20.000 Right?

01:16:21.000 So there is a strong argument to be made that in a world where we are now being exposed to all of these RNA viruses, that acting quickly and taking those things is a reasonable thing to do.

01:16:33.000 Now, hydroxychloroquine may have more toxicity than ivermectin.

01:16:36.000 In fact, it does.

01:16:37.000 But ivermectin has such a low toxicity that from the point of view of not doing the damage to the body that comes from being sick with these pathological agents, simply being reflexive about taking the stuff quickly is sensible.

01:16:52.000 And of course, if what I just said is correct, you would expect pharma to look anywhere but there because they can't patent the stuff.

01:17:01.000 Right.

01:17:02.000 Did you see Chris Cuomo on Patrick Bet-David's show admit that he's taking ivermectin now?

01:17:09.000 I heard about it.

01:17:10.000 I didn't see it.

01:17:11.000 He admitted it.

01:17:12.000 He admitted his doctor has him on ivermectin for long COVID. And he kept distinguishing the difference between long COVID and vaccine injuries.

01:17:19.000 Like he said, had some sort of a vaccine injury.

01:17:21.000 Then he was talking about how ivermectin is not good for COVID, but it's good for long COVID. I'm like, what is long COVID? Long COVID is not even a thing.

01:17:28.000 Like, stop saying that. 1.00

01:17:29.000 Like, you're fucked up because either of COVID or you're fucked up because of the vaccine. 1.00

01:17:35.000 One of those two things happen where you got damaged. 1.00

01:17:38.000 Calling it long COVID is weird because it's like saying you're still sick from COVID. That's not really what happened.

01:17:44.000 Okay, if you get pneumonia and you get lung damage, you don't have long pneumonia.

01:17:50.000 Right.

01:17:50.000 You had damage to your lungs.

01:17:53.000 It's not long COVID. So you're either taking ivermectin because your doctor said, like, what benefit would ivermectin have on long COVID? Like, what does that mean?

01:18:04.000 Or vaccine injuries?

01:18:06.000 It has a benefit for vaccine injuries.

01:18:08.000 We can just say that empirically.

01:18:10.000 The people who have become successful at treating these things tell us this.

01:18:13.000 Which vaccine injuries?

01:18:15.000 COVID. But which ones?

01:18:17.000 Which specific vaccine injuries?

01:18:19.000 You mean what are the symptoms?

01:18:21.000 Yeah, what things?

01:18:22.000 Things like brain fog, fatigue, neuropathy, these things.

01:18:27.000 And I actually have several friends who report that they were suffering badly.

01:18:32.000 I sent them to Pierre.

01:18:34.000 He treated them.

01:18:35.000 Ivermectin was core to the treatment.

01:18:37.000 And they report, I don't want to say miraculous, but spectacular recovery.

01:18:43.000 Pierre by Pierre, you're talking about Dr. Pierre Corey.

01:18:45.000 Yep.

01:18:46.000 Who...

01:18:47.000 Did he lose his license or something?

01:18:49.000 Yeah, I believe so, or it's in process.

01:18:51.000 But they are punishing him for...

01:18:53.000 For talking about a beneficial medicine that happens to not be patentable.

01:18:58.000 Punishing him for doing his job.

01:19:00.000 Wild.

01:19:01.000 Yeah.

01:19:01.000 That's wild.

01:19:02.000 It's crazy.

01:19:03.000 That's crazy.

01:19:04.000 Yeah.

01:19:04.000 It's diabolical, really.

01:19:06.000 It is diabolical.

01:19:07.000 So what would be the mechanism as to which ivermectin would help these people?

01:19:12.000 I don't know.

01:19:13.000 It has a number of different mechanisms.

01:19:15.000 It's certainly an anti-inflammatory.

01:19:18.000 There's only so far that explanation will take you.

01:19:21.000 But I don't know.

01:19:24.000 I can't answer that question.

01:19:26.000 I understand.

01:19:26.000 It really doesn't much matter.

01:19:28.000 If you're sick and it makes you better, that's what you want.

01:19:31.000 Right.

01:19:32.000 You know, our understanding of how many medicines work.

01:19:34.000 But isn't it bizarre when people that have been vaccinated not once but multiple times and had side effects from the vaccine that they'll report openly?

01:19:44.000 We'll talk about it and say it's long COVID while they're still suffering.

01:19:48.000 It's almost like they alleviate themselves from any of the responsibility of making a terrible choice.

01:19:53.000 I think they're also being fed this story.

01:19:56.000 And we've seen that in multiple places.

01:19:59.000 So, for example, you remember these long debates about, well, okay, yes, the mRNA shots do cause a certain amount of myocarditis, but not nearly as much as COVID. And it goes away quick.

01:20:09.000 That was the other thing they kept saying.

01:20:11.000 It's temporary.

01:20:12.000 Yeah, which is nonsense.

01:20:13.000 And it turns out now that the myocarditis appears to have been vaccine-induced myocarditis that was being just like everything else happened with COVID. It was a, I don't want to say an accounting error.

01:20:28.000 It was cynical.

01:20:29.000 They shoved things into the wrong category.

01:20:31.000 Right.

01:20:31.000 And they also pushed out a narrative that you get more myocarditis from the virus than you do from the vaccine.

01:20:39.000 Right.

01:20:39.000 And apparently you don't get it from the virus.

01:20:40.000 Right.

01:20:40.000 Yeah, well, what you do is you get high troponin levels, right?

01:20:44.000 And Asim Mahaltra, he explained all this, is that when you test for that, you can assume if a person is suffering from a viral infection, that they will have high troponin levels, but it doesn't mean they have myocarditis.

01:20:58.000 Right.

01:20:58.000 So you're calling it myocarditis without actually doing an MRI on the heart.

01:21:02.000 Right.

01:21:03.000 And as I've pointed out in many different places, myocarditis is kind of a red herring anyway, because what it means is inflammation.

01:21:11.000 And inflammation is there for a reason.

01:21:13.000 There's an underlying pathology.

01:21:15.000 And so the fact that we can detect that you have myocarditis means, well, okay, something's up with your heart.

01:21:20.000 What is it?

01:21:20.000 And the vaccines create damage in the heart.

01:21:24.000 They create damage because they get taken up by heart cells.

01:21:28.000 Those heart cells produce Explain the whole thing with lipid nanoparticles so people understand why they cause damage.

01:21:34.000 So the way these shots were supposed to work is you have an mRNA transcript that is loaded into lipid nanoparticle.

01:21:43.000 The lipid nanoparticles are injected.

01:21:45.000 We were told that they stayed in the deltoid where they are injected.

01:21:48.000 They do not.

01:21:49.000 They circulate in the blood and lymph.

01:21:51.000 Lipid nanoparticle.

01:21:52.000 And this is proven.

01:21:53.000 Yeah.

01:21:54.000 Lipid nanoparticle.

01:21:56.000 Lipid means fat.

01:21:58.000 You may remember from high school chemistry that like dissolves like, so fats dissolve other fats.

01:22:04.000 So you've got this thing encased in fat.

01:22:07.000 Any cell it encounters is covered in fat.

01:22:09.000 So it gets taken up by cells haphazardly around the body.

01:22:13.000 Those cells take the message, the mRNA transcript, into the cytoplasm.

01:22:18.000 They translate it into protein, and that protein gets exported to the surface of the cell.

01:22:25.000 This is how the manufacturer wants it to work.

01:22:27.000 Now, if it happened in your arm, okay.

01:22:30.000 But if it happens in your heart, Well, anywhere it happens, it will trigger your immune system to spot this antigen that it doesn't recognize, and T cells will come in and kill the cells that are making this foreign protein,

01:22:46.000 because in natural circumstances, anytime a cell makes a foreign protein, It has the signature of a virally infected cell.

01:22:54.000 A cell is producing self-antigens and foreign antigens.

01:22:58.000 That's a virally infected cell.

01:23:00.000 No matter what place in the body it exists, the right thing to do is to destroy it.

01:23:04.000 So the immune system comes in, T cells destroy that cell, and that leaves you with a wound, right?

01:23:10.000 You've lost cells that were doing something.

01:23:13.000 Most of the tissues of the body can tolerate a certain amount of that.

01:23:16.000 But in your heart, you can't tolerate very much because the heart has an extremely low capacity to repair itself.

01:23:23.000 It scars instead and it takes time to scar.

01:23:25.000 You have a wound until it scars over.

01:23:27.000 So those wounds are vulnerabilities.

01:23:31.000 If you're an athlete and you've got a wound in your heart that you don't know about, you could easily die because you have a weakened wall in the chambers of your heart and something breaches at the point that your blood pressure is high in the middle of some activity.

01:23:47.000 So my point is when we say myocarditis, We are effectively accepting a placeholder for, there's an underlying pathology that we haven't found, and that pathology can be damage to the heart,

01:24:02.000 which is very serious inherently.

01:24:04.000 It compromises your lifetime capacity for your heart to function, and in the short term it creates a substantial vulnerability to cardiac incidents.

01:24:19.000 And so, these injections, which were supposed to stay local, is it because that they didn't aspirate that they get into blood vessels?

01:24:28.000 Like, what is the reason why it gets through the entire system?

01:24:31.000 Well, the aspiration issue, I believe, is a contributor, but I don't think it is the determinant.

01:24:40.000 So, in the case that, just to explain what you're getting at, when you inject somebody, pulling back on the plunger in the syringe allows you to see whether or not you have accidentally landed inside a vein.

01:24:55.000 If you pull back and you see blood, the tip of the needle is at least partially in a vein.

01:24:59.000 And if you inject there, it doesn't go into the spaces between the cells in your muscle.

01:25:04.000 It goes into your circulation.

01:25:07.000 That's a bad thing.

01:25:08.000 If you plunge the needle in, you pull back on the plunger and you see blood, then you should plunge in further so that you're no longer in that blood vessel.

01:25:18.000 But we never saw that.

01:25:19.000 In fact, people were specifically told not to do it, and the rationale was they did not want to create vaccine hesitancy by leaving the needle in the arm any longer than necessary.

01:25:31.000 So they did end up doing a certain percentage of intravenous, accidental intravenous injections.

01:25:38.000 And that means that a globule of this stuff went immediately into the circulation, which meant that if it went to your heart and got picked up there, it might not just be a small number of cells, it might be a large number of cells.

01:25:51.000 So that was a completely unnecessary level of harm.

01:25:57.000 Aspirating the needle was the right thing to do, and they should have done it, and they didn't.

01:26:00.000 And who knows how many people have died because they got a big dose intravenously where it was supposed to be intramuscular.

01:26:06.000 And that seems so straightforward that I can't imagine that they were showing people doing it any other way on television.

01:26:13.000 Yeah.

01:26:13.000 Even when they did the president.

01:26:15.000 Remember when they injected him on television?

01:26:16.000 They just stuck it right in there.

01:26:19.000 Well, there is a question about what they injected him with.

01:26:21.000 But yes, whatever happened on television.

01:26:24.000 Are you suggesting that that was deception?

01:26:27.000 They didn't give him this life-saving vaccine?

01:26:31.000 Well, here's the problem. 1.00

01:26:33.000 I don't know how dumb these people are. 0.99

01:26:37.000 It seems to me, let's just play this out with sort of standard parameters. 1.00

01:26:47.000 Inoculations cause a certain number of acute adverse reactions.

01:26:55.000 These people wanted everyone injected.

01:26:58.000 They didn't want us talking about injuries that were real, right?

01:27:02.000 They went out of their way to make sure that nothing caused anybody to have the sense that there was some problem with them.

01:27:11.000 Do we really think they rolled the dice injecting an old man with an active shot on TV? Like, I don't think so.

01:27:22.000 I suggested it back then and I got called a kook.

01:27:25.000 But I was talking about...

01:27:28.000 There was a lot of people that were talking about being injured, and they were getting attacked.

01:27:33.000 Remember when they were going after Eric Clapton?

01:27:38.000 Yeah.

01:27:38.000 Remember that one?

01:27:39.000 Oh, yeah.

01:27:39.000 That was horrific.

01:27:40.000 Vicious.

01:27:41.000 I mean, full-bore attacks on Eric Clapton.

01:27:44.000 I mean, calling him the most hurtful of words, an anti-vaxxer.

01:27:49.000 He's always been a terrible person. 1.00

01:27:51.000 They're like, what the fuck are you talking about? 1.00

01:27:54.000 Yeah, the gaslighting of the injured is insane. 1.00

01:27:57.000 Insane.

01:27:59.000 Especially, you've asked people to do something, there's always adverse events.

01:28:05.000 How is it that somebody who suffers an adverse event is not entitled to our compassion?

01:28:10.000 I don't understand how you would turn vicious in that case.

01:28:15.000 And how can you rationalize continuing to have these companies exempt?

01:28:23.000 Oh, you can't.

01:28:24.000 It doesn't make any sense.

01:28:25.000 Yeah.

01:28:26.000 Especially if they're that profitable.

01:28:27.000 Because we know that if they're profitable, they're going to keep selling stuff.

01:28:31.000 Yeah.

01:28:31.000 Well, let me put it to you this way.

01:28:35.000 I think it makes sense to establish a policy that I will not accept any medical product for which the manufacturer is not liable if it goes wrong.

01:28:51.000 And that's not medical advice.

01:28:52.000 That's legal advice.

01:28:53.000 Yeah. 0.95

01:28:55.000 Yeah, because there's just too much room for fuckery and profit. 0.93

01:28:58.000 When they know that something is profitable and they know they can get away with it because they don't have any liability at all... 1.00

01:29:05.000 They're gonna fuck with you. 1.00

01:29:07.000 They're gonna gaslight you. 1.00

01:29:08.000 They always have.

01:29:09.000 Because you have two different types of people, right?

01:29:11.000 That are involved in any kind of medication.

01:29:14.000 You have the scientists and the clinicians that develop these things and create these things.

01:29:21.000 And then you've got the money people.

01:29:22.000 And the money people, they're not even scientists.

01:29:24.000 What those people are interested in is making the most amount of money for their company.

01:29:28.000 In fact, they have A responsibility to their shareholders.

01:29:34.000 Right.

01:29:35.000 To make a ton of money.

01:29:36.000 Absolutely.

01:29:36.000 To make more money every year.

01:29:37.000 So if they know that it's their job as a CEO to push that shit through. 0.97

01:29:43.000 Why do you have all those connections and all those relationships if you don't utilize them to help our company? 0.99

01:29:47.000 Isn't that why you get a fucking gigantic salary every year as the CEO of a pharmaceutical drug company?

01:29:54.000 And don't you understand, the relationship that we have with the FDA and the CDC has been, we have cultivated this relationship forever, so we have a revolving door to make it nice and easy. 0.95

01:30:04.000 So the people that are in charge of regulation, they get a nice sweet job.

01:30:07.000 A nice sweet golden...

01:30:08.000 We got it locked in!

01:30:09.000 We got it locked up! 1.00

01:30:11.000 Let's sell this shit! 1.00

01:30:12.000 Sell it! 1.00

01:30:13.000 Well, the fact is, if you understand how the market is supposed to do its magic, this doesn't work even in principle.

01:30:22.000 Just simple evolutionary dynamics guarantee that corporations that are not responsible for the harm that they do will start making a profit by doing harm.

01:30:33.000 They will be out-competed by other corporations who do if they don't.

01:30:38.000 So it is guaranteed that they will move in that direction, which is why I say you shouldn't take any product produced by an entity that is not liable for the harm that it does to you.

01:30:49.000 It just doesn't make any sense.

01:30:51.000 Yeah, anything.

01:30:52.000 Anything.

01:30:53.000 Across the board.

01:30:54.000 Yeah.

01:30:55.000 Yeah, it's just bizarre that we let that slip through because they had decided at one point in time that vaccines create so many problems.

01:31:02.000 There's no way they could sell these and be profitable and have a legal responsibility.

01:31:06.000 And our government was like, all right.

01:31:09.000 All right.

01:31:09.000 No responsibility.

01:31:11.000 I don't think most people know.

01:31:12.000 That little fact that you just mentioned, that in fact they were granted immunity from liability because they said it was impossible to make safe vaccines.

01:31:20.000 Yeah, explain when this happened and how it happened to people so they understand that this is an issue that came up because of problems from vaccines.

01:31:29.000 Yeah, I believe it happened in the Reagan administration that they were reluctant to make vaccines.

01:31:37.000 The Reagan administration wanted them to ratchet up production and they said, we can't.

01:31:41.000 It can't be done safely.

01:31:43.000 And they were granted this immunity and the VAERS system was set up and a special court was set up to adjudicate cases.

01:31:53.000 Tremendous amount of evil has flown from that fateful decision, including the proliferation of the childhood vaccine schedule. 0.91

01:32:01.000 Yes, which is, right now, pretty fucking insane.

01:32:05.000 There's so many of them, and they give them to them so quickly, like from the moment they're born. 0.97

01:32:09.000 They want to bang them up with vaccines. 0.78

01:32:11.000 And it's incredibly profitable.

01:32:13.000 And people who are kind people, who are intelligent people, would never imagine there are human beings that are willing to profit off of injecting babies with things that may very well fuck them up for the rest of their life.

01:32:27.000 They're like, there's no way.

01:32:27.000 No one's that evil.

01:32:28.000 Right.

01:32:29.000 It's hard to imagine.

01:32:30.000 And then when you start looking into the evidence, it's like, oh my goodness.

01:32:34.000 Oh, well, you look at just the history of vaccines themselves.

01:32:37.000 You read Turtles All the Way Down or Dissolving Illusions.

01:32:40.000 You're just like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

01:32:42.000 Right.

01:32:43.000 What?

01:32:44.000 What happened?

01:32:45.000 Because all our lives...

01:32:47.000 Vaccines are the most important invention.

01:32:50.000 Vaccines saved countless millions of lives.

01:32:53.000 Vaccines are the way we can be safe today.

01:32:56.000 So that was one of the dirtiest tricks about this mRNA technology, that they piggybacked on an old word that already had pass.

01:33:03.000 It already had hall pass.

01:33:05.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

01:33:09.000 Heather and I wrote into our book in 2020 that vaccines were one of the three greatest medical inventions in history.

01:33:19.000 You know, the other two being surgery and antibiotics.

01:33:21.000 And I still believe that in principle, there is something potentially very medically valuable there.

01:33:29.000 But in practice, The way we produce these things, the way we manufacture them, the way the technology on which they are based has been modified, right?

01:33:40.000 The idea that we're going to produce a vaccine that is adjuvant-based and we're not going to tell you that we're going to hyperactivate your immune system to get a weak shot to function and that that means that you're going to be in danger of creating a sensitivity to anything you encounter or eat during that period.

01:34:00.000 Like, how are we not discussing that?

01:34:03.000 I mean, again, in 2020, I was an enthusiast for this technology.

01:34:12.000 Now I'm an enthusiast for what it says in the textbook about what this might be able to do, but I'm terrified of how it's actually being deployed.

01:34:21.000 And I also now recognize, I believe I have a vaccine injury, my allergy to wheat The only way it adds up is probably a flu shot caused me to become hypersensitive to something that was exposed to my immune system.

01:34:38.000 Of course, wheat's in everything, so, you know, it's ever-present.

01:34:42.000 My children, my older son has an allergy to dairy.

01:34:47.000 A profound one.

01:34:48.000 I think that's a vaccine injury.

01:34:50.000 Frankly, I don't know what percentage, you know, I have a friend who has an allergy, profound allergy to mold that's driven her from two homes, right?

01:35:01.000 But wait a minute, because isn't, allergies have always existed, and they existed before even vaccines.

01:35:09.000 No.

01:35:09.000 I mean, I'm not going to say there weren't any.

01:35:12.000 There's nothing in the literature about allergies before vaccines?

01:35:15.000 The proliferation of allergies.

01:35:18.000 Again, I don't want to say there wasn't any.

01:35:21.000 But in many of these cases, things like Alzheimer's disease, we of course think, oh, these things are longstanding.

01:35:27.000 They've been there.

01:35:28.000 Maybe there's been an increase in the amount.

01:35:30.000 But the degree to which many of these pathologies, including autism, frankly, turns out to be something that erupts out of nowhere, suggesting a novel environmental cause of some kind, right, is profound.

01:35:43.000 And mostly we don't know that because we don't Do the legwork to go back and look at, well, where does this first show up?

01:35:52.000 Right?

01:35:53.000 We think polio has always been with us.

01:35:55.000 No, that's not true.

01:35:57.000 Right?

01:35:58.000 So we have a pattern that we in the public are not aware of.

01:36:02.000 Pathologies that are widespread that showed up out of nowhere, you know, like obesity.

01:36:09.000 And that suggests an environmental cause.

01:36:12.000 We should become fascinated by what that cause might be because people are being, every new generation has people being maimed by these pathologies.

01:36:21.000 And if you can discover what the pathology is and you can eliminate the factor, you know, how much misery do you erase?

01:36:27.000 How much Economic growth do you create, right?

01:36:30.000 These are powerful ways in which we could improve our well-being.

01:36:34.000 And we just simply don't do it because all of us carry the vague notion that these things are long-standing.

01:36:40.000 But if you think about it...

01:36:43.000 Do you see animals in the wild being allergic in their environment?

01:36:48.000 No.

01:36:48.000 Sometimes dogs are, but dogs get vaccinated to high heaven, too.

01:36:51.000 Yes, they do.

01:36:52.000 Right.

01:36:52.000 And so anytime you see that pattern where it's like, yes, wild animals don't have that pathology, but domestic animals and people do, that's telling you something.

01:37:01.000 Right.

01:37:01.000 Right?

01:37:02.000 Because we share an environment.

01:37:03.000 Have you seen that they're calling for a ceasefire in Gaza so that they can vaccinate for polio?

01:37:09.000 Yes, I have seen that.

01:37:12.000 What?

01:37:14.000 You're going to not blow people up temporarily so they can keep them from a disease.

01:37:18.000 Do you know the statistics of, like, when people get polio, how much of polio is asymptomatic?

01:37:27.000 Do you know the statistics?

01:37:28.000 I don't know the statistics.

01:37:29.000 I will tell you, I read a jaw-dropping book.

01:37:35.000 I keep having this experience, where there are various stories that we all carry around that tell us something about the world we're living in and what to be afraid of.

01:37:45.000 So, for example...

01:37:46.000 Spanish flu, right?

01:37:48.000 Much of our fear of pandemics is based on the idea that Spanish flu erupted out of nowhere.

01:37:54.000 It killed young, healthy people.

01:37:57.000 And you know what?

01:37:58.000 It's not that long ago.

01:37:59.000 It could happen again.

01:38:00.000 Blah, blah, blah.

01:38:01.000 It turns out that story isn't what we all think it is.

01:38:06.000 There are two things about that story which are not commonly known.

01:38:09.000 One is there was a enthusiasm for prescribing aspirin for people who came in with flu symptoms and they were prescribed aspirin in doses that are now known to be deadly.

01:38:24.000 So a lot of people drowned basically their lungs filled with liquid because they were overdosed on aspirin.

01:38:31.000 That's one thing.

01:38:31.000 The other thing is bacterial pneumonia, which followed on the viral infection.

01:38:37.000 Bacterial pneumonia that we can now easily treat.

01:38:40.000 With antibiotics.

01:38:41.000 Yes, exactly.

01:38:42.000 So the question is, you know, would Spanish flu, if it emerged tomorrow, cause a pandemic that mattered?

01:38:48.000 No, it wouldn't.

01:38:50.000 But we all think, oh, goodness, it can happen because Spanish flu proves it. 1.00

01:38:54.000 Right.

01:38:55.000 Same thing happened with my understanding of polio.

01:38:58.000 I was going to give you the number.

01:38:59.000 95 to 99%.

01:39:01.000 Asymptomatic.

01:39:03.000 Is asymptomatic.

01:39:05.000 Asymptomatic.

01:39:05.000 Of polio.

01:39:06.000 Yeah.

01:39:06.000 Do you know why?

01:39:08.000 Why?

01:39:08.000 Because I actually know, I think I know why, based on the book, The Moth and the Iron Lung.

01:39:15.000 Okay.

01:39:17.000 There is a virus involved in polio.

01:39:20.000 That virus is not normally serious.

01:39:25.000 It's a gut virus, right?

01:39:28.000 It causes slight gut pathology, goes away of its own accord.

01:39:33.000 What appears to have happened that caused polio to be a terrifying, debilitating disease is metal toxicity, right?

01:39:45.000 So polio turns out has some weird quirks, right?

01:39:49.000 It affects the nerves in the front of the spinal cord, but not the back of the spinal cord, and it affects children and not adults.

01:39:59.000 And the argument that is made in the moth and the iron lung, I think quite compellingly, is that what's happening is the metals are causing that bacterium or the virus to leak out of the gut and it can grow in neurological tissues.

01:40:19.000 And in a child, the gut is sitting right in front of the spinal cord.

01:40:23.000 And so it is affecting the motor neurons but not the sensory neurons which are on the back because of the physical proximity of the gut to the spinal cord.

01:40:31.000 And that as you grow, those things separate and so the susceptibility disappears.

01:40:37.000 But it's the metal toxicity that is taking a...

01:40:41.000 Non-serious pathogen and causing it to be serious, which makes for a very confusing story because you actually do have a pathogen and you can actually prevent the pathogen with a vaccine, but the root cause is the metal toxicity that is causing things to leak out of the gut and touch the spinal cord.

01:40:59.000 I had read this thing that was connecting DDT as well.

01:41:02.000 Yep, DDT is connected as well.

01:41:05.000 Lots of cases of it in rural areas where people sprayed.

01:41:09.000 Well, actually, that's what the book, The Moth and the Iron Lung, amazingly tracks the history of this, where in fact you had a...

01:41:20.000 You had a problem where the silk moths were not robust to predation.

01:41:31.000 And so entomologists were looking for something to hybridize the silk moths with that would be resistant to things like jays eating them as caterpillars.

01:41:42.000 And this one entomologist had gypsy moths from Europe in his possession that he was trying to breed with silk moths, an experiment that was doomed to failure.

01:41:54.000 But nonetheless, one day he had them...

01:41:57.000 Sitting on his kitchen window and a wind blew and blew them into his garden.

01:42:03.000 And he knew he tried to recover them and he couldn't find them all.

01:42:07.000 And so he knew that he had a problem.

01:42:09.000 He tried to alert people locally.

01:42:10.000 Hey, we've got a local gypsy moth problem, which is bad because gypsy moths devastate vegetation. 1.00

01:42:16.000 And in any case, they were unable to control the infestation.

01:42:22.000 And of course, it spread throughout the East.

01:42:23.000 Oh, my God.

01:42:24.000 Why didn't that guy torch his field?

01:42:26.000 Well, right.

01:42:26.000 If you had understood what was going to follow from this, it would not have been an overreaction, right?

01:42:33.000 Right.

01:42:33.000 But nonetheless, what you have is something like an epidemic of polio that's not really an epidemic of polio.

01:42:39.000 You have an epidemic of gypsy moths that are being sprayed for with these toxic pesticides.

01:42:46.000 Right.

01:42:47.000 It's a crazy, crazy story.

01:42:49.000 But the upshot is...

01:42:52.000 We all carry around stories like polio is a terrifying disease.

01:42:57.000 It debilitated people.

01:42:58.000 We have a vaccine that ended that horror.

01:43:02.000 Therefore, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:43:06.000 That's not the story. 1.00

01:43:07.000 The story is we actually have an epidemic of stupidity about industrial toxins. 0.99

01:43:13.000 And in this case, they interface with a story about a vaccine and a pathogen. 0.98

01:43:18.000 But the story isn't the one we think.

01:43:22.000 Right.

01:43:22.000 It's a very strange set of interactions.

01:43:25.000 But once you start digging into these stories and you realize that all of them are, you know, we've been told some fairy tale that leads us to a conclusion that just isn't right.

01:43:33.000 Then you have to start rethinking things.

01:43:35.000 But of course, as you discover these things, people decide you're a crank.

01:43:39.000 But have you seen in New York City, they're spraying pesticide in the sky to kill the mosquitoes that might be carrying the West Nile virus?

01:43:48.000 They're going after West Nile virus in New York.

01:43:51.000 Mosquitoes.

01:43:52.000 They're spraying pesticides.

01:43:54.000 They're letting people know, we will be spraying at 8 p.m.

01:43:58.000 Stay inside.

01:43:59.000 Limit your exposure to the pesticide.

01:44:02.000 And they're driving trucks down the street that are just spraying pesticides.

01:44:06.000 So we don't learn.

01:44:07.000 Right.

01:44:08.000 And isn't that disease, West Nile virus, isn't that like 80% of the people, it's almost nothing?

01:44:16.000 Right.

01:44:16.000 And then at the same time, we're dealing with a set of restrictions in the Northeast over Eastern equine encephalitis.

01:44:25.000 Right.

01:44:26.000 Right. 0.99

01:44:26.000 And so I've been looking— Let's see if we can find the videos of them spraying that shit in New York City because it's very Orwellian. 0.99

01:44:32.000 It's very like, how do we not know to not do this anymore? 0.99

01:44:36.000 Right.

01:44:38.000 Look, they're driving down the street spraying.

01:44:41.000 Look, there's mosquitoes. 1.00

01:44:42.000 We've got to kill them. 1.00

01:44:42.000 So they're spraying at the back of this fucking truck. 1.00

01:44:45.000 By the way, you're not killing anything. 1.00

01:44:47.000 You're killing what's on that street.

01:44:49.000 What about what's in between the houses?

01:44:51.000 What's in the fields?

01:44:52.000 What's in the park?

01:44:53.000 What's at the lake where they all breed?

01:44:56.000 Well, okay, so let's do this at full strength.

01:44:59.000 Six confirmed cases.

01:45:01.000 We need to start spraying.

01:45:02.000 One of them was Dr. Fauci.

01:45:04.000 Right.

01:45:05.000 He was hospitalized, Brett.

01:45:08.000 I know.

01:45:09.000 Yes.

01:45:10.000 So let's look at all the components here.

01:45:12.000 One, I've seen spraying like that in person before.

01:45:15.000 I've seen it in Panama in the canal zone.

01:45:18.000 Now, the canal zone is malaria-free.

01:45:24.000 I don't know what the cost – I mean people live in the canal zone.

01:45:27.000 Americans lived there while the canal was in our possession in large numbers.

01:45:34.000 I do think that the spraying kept the Anopheles mosquitoes to a low enough number that malaria did not exist in the canal zone.

01:45:44.000 What the cost of that was, I also can't say.

01:45:47.000 My guess is the cost of that was very high but not well measured.

01:45:52.000 The idea that we are now, A, why is it we are dealing with a simultaneous panic over Eastern equine encephalitis and West Nile virus?

01:46:07.000 Well, that is a very odd coincidence.

01:46:13.000 One thing that's true is The last panic was over COVID. And the response to COVID was massive vaccination with the mRNA shots,

01:46:28.000 as you know.

01:46:29.000 The mRNA shots, for anybody who got two or more, triggered the production of something called IgG4, which I don't know if we've talked about it before, but IgG4 is the immune system's own message to itself to turn itself down.

01:46:44.000 Okay?

01:46:45.000 Why two or more?

01:46:46.000 That's just empiric.

01:46:48.000 I don't know whether anybody expected this result, but when it was pursued, that was just the number at which we could detect the presence of IGG-4.

01:46:56.000 So not with one?

01:46:57.000 Not with one.

01:46:58.000 I'm not saying there wasn't any with one, but we don't detect it with one shot.

01:47:02.000 And then two produces some effect, and the more shots you get, the bigger the effect.

01:47:07.000 Does that explain why disease itself appears to have changed in the last year or two?

01:47:17.000 Why are people so sick during the summer?

01:47:20.000 Do you remember even five years ago?

01:47:23.000 Right.

01:47:24.000 There were summer colds.

01:47:25.000 People remarked on them because it was weird when you got sick during the summer, right?

01:47:29.000 Oh, I got a summer cold.

01:47:30.000 But people weren't sick with lots of different things during the summer.

01:47:33.000 In general, you were, you know, fine during the summer.

01:47:37.000 And then when you got sick when it was, you know, cold out and you were driven indoors and that was just the pattern.

01:47:44.000 Right.

01:47:44.000 So something's going on that people are much more susceptible.

01:47:48.000 And it just so happens that we've watched a pattern where people have been multiply injected with something that we know turns their immune system down.

01:47:57.000 Why are we not asking the question if the reason that we may have a problem with West Nile virus and Eastern equine encephalitis is the result of a self-inflicted wound?

01:48:08.000 Right?

01:48:09.000 We should at least be asking that question. 1.00

01:48:11.000 Instead, we are still recommending that goddamn COVID shot. 0.99

01:48:15.000 Well, and then look at a guy like Fauci, who was one of the rare few that was hospitalized, and he's had sick shots, according to him. 0.99

01:48:25.000 Yeah, I got to say, as soon as we get to Fauci, I just don't believe anything.

01:48:28.000 I don't know.

01:48:28.000 I'm agnostic as to whether or not the dude took any shots.

01:48:33.000 I don't know what's going on because there's so much garbage surrounding that guy and what he thinks and what he did that I just can't accept any of it at face value.

01:48:43.000 But here's what I don't understand. 0.88

01:48:45.000 Let's look at the Eastern equine encephalitis issue.

01:48:50.000 They are now considering curfews, right?

01:48:55.000 They're going to start eroding civil liberties over the presence of this disease. 0.53

01:49:02.000 One person has died.

01:49:04.000 It's only one person?

01:49:06.000 Yeah.

01:49:06.000 If you read up on it, it turns out the average year, there are seven diagnosed cases of this.

01:49:13.000 So, it's not like this is a disease that never shows up and suddenly there's one case and people are freaking out.

01:49:21.000 There's apparently an annual rate of this.

01:49:24.000 We have an annual rate that even if it's more, this does not suggest the possibility of a massive And if it did, we're still giving people a shot that causes their immune systems to turn down.

01:49:40.000 So can we at least stop doing that before we start panicking over new diseases?

01:49:44.000 Because it sure looks like we are creating vulnerability to new diseases over here, recommending mRNA shots that people don't need.

01:49:51.000 And then we are, you know, having lockdowns.

01:49:56.000 We're also recommending it to people that already have natural immunity, which is the most bizarre thing.

01:50:01.000 Of course.

01:50:02.000 The most bizarre, because there's no science that backs that up.

01:50:06.000 It doesn't make any sense, and yet we're still saying to these people, you've got to get your boosters.

01:50:10.000 This Ig4? 1.00

01:50:13.000 IgG4. 0.96

01:50:14.000 What does that stand for?

01:50:15.000 Ig means immunoglobulin.

01:50:18.000 That's a synonym for antibody.

01:50:22.000 IgG is a major class of antibody.

01:50:24.000 There are something like five major classes.

01:50:27.000 And then IgG4 is a subclass that turns the immune system down.

01:50:31.000 And what is it about the mRNA shots that causes this to happen?

01:50:37.000 We don't know.

01:50:39.000 We just know measurably people who have more of them have this.

01:50:43.000 Yes.

01:50:44.000 And it's alarming.

01:50:46.000 I mean, it's alarming for multiple reasons.

01:50:51.000 I was really unsure what to think about this when it first occurred to me.

01:50:56.000 But the more I think about it, the more alarmed I am.

01:51:04.000 COVID, SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID, appears to have emerged from laboratory work that was dual use.

01:51:15.000 Dual use work means bioweapons research. 0.98

01:51:20.000 The excuse, so it's called dual use because you're only allowed to do bioweapons research if it's also research that might contribute to public health.

01:51:31.000 So the excuse is, oh, we're working, you know, what do they tell us?

01:51:34.000 They said, well, the gain-of-function research is so that we can create pathogens and learn what to do about them before they find themselves out of nature and we don't know what to do, right?

01:51:46.000 This is a nonsense story.

01:51:49.000 It's not...

01:51:53.000 It is not coherent to think that by creating some pathogen in a laboratory that you're going to learn something about pathogens that might leap out of nature.

01:52:02.000 For one thing, pathogens leaping out of nature is a difficult thing for them to do.

01:52:06.000 They have to do two tricks and it's not easy.

01:52:08.000 They have to infect a person.

01:52:10.000 Some pathogens will do that. 0.99

01:52:12.000 But then, before that person dies or gets better, they have to jump from one person to the next.

01:52:17.000 Very, very few are ever going to jump that gap.

01:52:20.000 So it's not a big risk.

01:52:24.000 And then, if you've created a pathogen of your own, you're going to learn about what to do about that pathogen, but it's not broadly applicable.

01:52:32.000 And you can see, we had research on coronaviruses being done in the Wuhan Institute, being done in North Carolina.

01:52:39.000 How much help did it give us?

01:52:41.000 What did we learn from that research that protected us from COVID? And the answer is nothing.

01:52:45.000 Nothing.

01:52:46.000 Because it's inconceivable that you would.

01:52:48.000 So they're using the excuse of public health to do this weapons research. 0.63

01:52:52.000 But here's the punchline of the story.

01:52:57.000 The vaccines are also the product of bioweapons research because they include the spike protein, which was the innovation that made the ancestor of SARS-CoV-2 into an infectious human pathogen, right?

01:53:12.000 The addition of a fern cleavage site to spike protein made this thing capable of infecting and spreading between humans.

01:53:21.000 That spike protein was the core of the mRNA shots.

01:53:25.000 Get two or more of those shots, now you create IgG4, and the more of the shots you have, the more you produce.

01:53:34.000 But was there any literature that indicated that this was going to have this effect before they rolled out the vaccines, or was this just an unfortunate byproduct?

01:53:45.000 I am not aware of that literature, but notice the following problem.

01:53:52.000 That IgG4 signal to turn down the immune system is now connected to the presence of spike protein.

01:54:02.000 At a bioengineering level, it is trivial to add spike protein to something else.

01:54:11.000 Bioweapons researchers have a problem.

01:54:14.000 If you create, first of all, they have two problems.

01:54:17.000 One of them is there aren't that many weaponizable human pathogens, right?

01:54:21.000 So they're sort of bored with the fact that they've got a small number of these things and they've played around with them and, you know, they're not happy.

01:54:28.000 They need something else.

01:54:29.000 So there's also a vast number in nature that you could in principle weaponize, but most of them can infect a human.

01:54:35.000 So they engage in this, you know, hocus pocus stuff where they take stuff that doesn't infect a human and they turn it into something that infects a human.

01:54:43.000 And of course, the risk that it will escape is very, very large and the risk that we will learn anything useful is very, very small.

01:54:49.000 But nonetheless, they play this game and...

01:54:55.000 If they create something that is a frightening weapon that could in principle in their warped minds be used for something useful.

01:55:03.000 The question is, how can you deliver a biological weapon that harms your enemies without harming your population? 0.69

01:55:10.000 You have to separate those two populations in some way. 0.96

01:55:14.000 The obvious way to do it is to inoculate your population so that they have an immunity.

01:55:19.000 The enemy population doesn't have an immunity, right?

01:55:22.000 Mind you, this is all wildly immoral.

01:55:24.000 But if you think like a weapons maker, this makes some kind of sense.

01:55:28.000 But this is not the only way.

01:55:31.000 That's where the IGG4 thing really throws me.

01:55:34.000 Because what they seem to have In the best case, accidentally done is created a vulnerability in the populations that took the mRNA shots that does not exist in populations that didn't.

01:55:49.000 And any time a pathogen shows up with spike, it is likely to trigger the immune system to stand down.

01:55:56.000 Right?

01:55:57.000 That's something that a weapons maker might dream of doing to its enemy.

01:56:03.000 The Chinese did not inoculate their population with mRNA-based shots and they did not inoculate them with spike-based shots.

01:56:13.000 So...

01:56:13.000 What did they use?

01:56:15.000 Other stuff, more standard vaccine stuff, antigens delivered.

01:56:20.000 I mean, not effective, but doesn't create this effect as far as we know.

01:56:24.000 Is that like what the Novavax is?

01:56:26.000 No, Novavax is another new technology.

01:56:29.000 I don't know very much about it, but the Sinovax is what the Chinese used, and it was a much more standard, apparently not very effective shot.

01:56:40.000 But nonetheless...

01:56:42.000 The creation of a vulnerability in one population that the other population doesn't have, we can imagine that that was an accident.

01:56:51.000 Let's hope it was an accident.

01:56:53.000 But it does appear to be something that they have created.

01:56:56.000 And the fact that weapons makers seem to have created this with their diabolical research ought to give us pause.

01:57:03.000 So if weapons manufacturers were involved in the creation of a virus, What, especially a virus like a respiratory virus that could go across the entire population of the planet and did, what would be the use of something that only kills old people and overweight people?

01:57:25.000 Well, I'm not saying that it was a bioweapon.

01:57:28.000 You're saying it's bioweapons research that created this virus, but not that the virus was actually a bioweapon.

01:57:34.000 Well, look, I do not know how crazy these people are, and I don't really know who they work for, right?

01:57:41.000 It is obvious that something beyond what most of us would imagine is true, because somehow our dual-use researchers were collaborating with Chinese military-associated researchers.

01:57:54.000 That's surprising, isn't it?

01:57:57.000 Right.

01:57:57.000 So the Wuhan lab was a Chinese-based weapons lab, bioweapons lab?

01:58:03.000 Certainly military-affiliated.

01:58:04.000 But the head of the Wuhan Institute laboratory in question, Zhe Zhengli, was trained by Ralph Baric, right?

01:58:15.000 So this is a partnership on dual-use research.

01:58:20.000 That doesn't seem to make any sense given what we all think we understand about where the tensions are, who are the allies and who are the antagonists on the world stage.

01:58:29.000 And also the fact that this funding was stopped in 2014 by the Obama administration but then Fauci restarted it under the Trump administration and there's no There's no specified goal in terms of like what's the positive benefit for society if this research is done.

01:58:53.000 There's a huge possibility that it leaks and it's incredibly detrimental, which it did.

01:58:59.000 But there's also, even though they were working on this stuff for so long, there was no cure.

01:59:06.000 For COVID? For the thing that they created.

01:59:10.000 So if you're going to create something that could potentially damage the human race so you're worried about what would happen if there really was a natural spillover and this thing really did come through a pangolin or whatever the fuck it did and then got into people,

01:59:25.000 we need to figure out a way to save people.

01:59:28.000 But there's no solution.

01:59:30.000 They were working on this stuff forever and they didn't have a solution.

01:59:37.000 They didn't have a solution and they didn't allow the one process that would quickly generate a solution to function.

01:59:45.000 Doctors treating patients based on what walks through their office door, right?

01:59:50.000 But to my way of thinking, they already knew what worked.

01:59:58.000 Ivermectin worked on SARS-1.

02:00:01.000 SARS-1 is an RNA virus.

02:00:03.000 This stuff works generally across RNA viruses.

02:00:06.000 It would have rendered COVID, you know, tragic in the sense that we don't need another human pathogen circulating, but totally manageable in almost everybody's case.

02:00:17.000 And the way you would use ivermectin is upon initial infection, it's very quickly, you give it to people?

02:00:25.000 Yeah.

02:00:25.000 So there's a certain point in time where after the infection it's not going to be effective anymore?

02:00:29.000 Absolutely.

02:00:30.000 And how much time is that generally?

02:00:32.000 Well, the amazing thing is even in the studies that claimed that they proved it didn't work, It does work.

02:00:39.000 If you look at the data they collected, it reflects that it works, even though these experiments were set up to fail.

02:00:46.000 They dosed late, they underdosed, they were done in places where the control group was likely to have ivermectin circulating at a fairly high rate.

02:00:54.000 So there's all sorts of tricks that were used, but even in those cases, it still worked.

02:00:58.000 But the answer, I would say, is no.

02:01:01.000 At least in the case of ivermectin.

02:01:03.000 It's a little different with hydroxychloroquine.

02:01:05.000 But with ivermectin, the stuff is...

02:01:10.000 So low harm that treating immediately is the way to go because, you know, the difference in its efficacy between day one and day two and day two and day three, those jumps are substantial.

02:01:24.000 So there's no reason not to give it immediately.

02:01:27.000 And I guess the question is why?

02:01:33.000 We saw all of the skullduggery around portraying ivermectin as dangerous, portraying it as ineffective.

02:01:41.000 So we know that they just lied through their teeth.

02:01:44.000 We also know that they knew that it was essentially certain to work.

02:01:49.000 So why'd they do that?

02:01:52.000 And, you know, there's a...

02:01:56.000 I don't know how bad the answer is, but the answer is at least that they wanted the pandemic, the so-called pandemic, right?

02:02:09.000 They redefined pandemic in order that this would qualify.

02:02:12.000 But the so-called pandemic would be Significant enough to get everybody to engage in the same kinds of behaviors, to accept them, right?

02:02:30.000 I don't know.

02:02:31.000 The problem, we're stuck in the same place we always are, which is if we just simply navigate this logically, we end up in some pretty dark places with respect to what they might have been up to.

02:02:42.000 Why were the weapons makers lying about the utility of drugs that rendered this novel pathogen minor?

02:02:51.000 Well, don't you think the most obvious answer would be there was a pathway to extreme wealth?

02:02:59.000 If you're going to have a vaccine that is paid for by the government, that not only the government profits off of, right?

02:03:06.000 So they own patent, right?

02:03:08.000 They own a piece of Moderna, right?

02:03:10.000 So they sold these vaccines to themselves, essentially.

02:03:15.000 They made incredible...

02:03:20.000 Amounts of them.

02:03:21.000 They distributed them all over the world, insane amount of profit, and then forced people to take them and then ignored all evidence that there was other medications, in fact, demonized those medications publicly, like what they did on CNN. That's the demon showing its eyes,

02:03:39.000 what they did on CNN and all those networks when they were talking and calling it horse dewormer, despite the fact that it won the Nobel Prize for use in humans.

02:03:47.000 All that stuff, the most obvious answer would be profit, because you look at the amount of money that was generated.

02:03:54.000 How much money did they make?

02:03:55.000 How much money was generated by Pfizer?

02:03:58.000 Let's ask.

02:04:00.000 Let's take a guess.

02:04:02.000 How much money do you think was generated by Pfizer and Moderna between 2021 and 2023, which is like the peak years where people are taking it?

02:04:13.000 It's kind of tough to talk people into taking it now, but there's a bunch of believers, and I follow a few of them on Twitter, that are all in.

02:04:20.000 Take a guess.

02:04:20.000 How much money do you think they made?

02:04:23.000 Between what years?

02:04:24.000 2021 and 2023. I think 2023 was the first year it really dropped off.

02:04:32.000 Yeah, I'm not going to guess.

02:04:34.000 I'm going to guess between the two of them, I want to say $90 billion.

02:04:39.000 That's what I want to say.

02:04:40.000 That's my guess.

02:04:41.000 So, are we going to find out?

02:04:45.000 How much up?

02:04:45.000 Okay, let me try again.

02:04:48.000 $200 billion.

02:04:50.000 It's a little over $100 billion.

02:04:53.000 You were real close.

02:04:55.000 It says generated $75 billion between 21 and 22. It doesn't include 23. And then $36 billion for Spikevax, which I think is...

02:05:04.000 Is that Moderna?

02:05:05.000 Yeah.

02:05:07.000 So, over $100 billion.

02:05:09.000 Yeah, but that ain't nothing.

02:05:13.000 That's a lot of money.

02:05:15.000 It's not.

02:05:15.000 It's not?

02:05:16.000 But you don't think that's enough money for them, first of all?

02:05:19.000 I don't think it's what they were targeting.

02:05:20.000 You have this wonderful thing called the emergency use exemption, right?

02:05:23.000 And the only way to allow people to get away with the emergency use exemption is you have to have some sort of proof that nothing else works.

02:05:35.000 Yeah, I know.

02:05:36.000 If you have another effective medication, you don't get emergency use authorization, right?

02:05:40.000 First place I heard that hypothesis was Heather.

02:05:46.000 I believed it.

02:05:48.000 I've come to believe that it's actually not that.

02:05:51.000 That their ability to cheat in the American system, at least, is so great that that obstacle would not have prevented them from deploying their shots.

02:06:03.000 Let's pause real quick because I have to pee.

02:06:06.000 And we'll come back right into that because I want to know the whole thing and I can't be thinking what happened.

02:06:10.000 I totally get it.

02:06:11.000 All right.

02:06:11.000 We'll be right back.

02:06:12.000 All right.

02:06:12.000 And we're back.

02:06:13.000 So we were at the emergency use authorization.

02:06:17.000 Yeah.

02:06:17.000 And you think that that wasn't necessary and they could have gotten it through anyway.

02:06:23.000 I think it's logical enough.

02:06:25.000 There's truth in it.

02:06:27.000 Having a viable preventative for SARS-CoV-2 in theory should have prevented an EUA, but I don't think that that was an obstacle they couldn't have overcome.

02:06:39.000 I think the problem was their real goal was to normalize the use of a gene therapy on a population that had never had that idea placed in its mind.

02:06:54.000 And so they called it a vaccine.

02:06:56.000 That was one thing.

02:06:59.000 We're good to go.

02:07:27.000 The connection to vitamin D, all of these things.

02:07:30.000 And that would have meant two things.

02:07:35.000 One, it would have meant that the degree to which the mRNA platform got normalized would have been much reduced, and it also would have created a massive control group, people who didn't take the shots, which would make the harms that much less obvious.

02:07:50.000 Right.

02:07:51.000 So I suspect the reason I say that $100 billion isn't a lot of money, when it obviously is a lot of money, is that it's not a lot of money compared to what was at stake in their minds, which is the mRNA platform, which can be used to reformulate every vaccine they've got to create a bunch of new vaccines.

02:08:11.000 We're talking about a Trillion dollar invention that could not be brought to market normally because it's way too dangerous.

02:08:21.000 And the emergency made it possible not only to bring it to market, but to get everybody or nearly everybody on board with it.

02:08:30.000 And I don't know how deep this rabbit hole goes.

02:08:32.000 I do think there is something remarkable about the early days of the so-called pandemic, where Doctors were primed for the horror of this disease so that they were already in the mindset of radical interventions,

02:08:52.000 which meant that they did a lot of harm with things like ventilators that didn't need to be done.

02:08:59.000 They killed a lot of people because they thought they were rescuing them.

02:09:04.000 The EUA story is good enough.

02:09:08.000 It more or less explains it, but it obscures the bigger picture, which is that the mRNA platform itself is the ultimate cash cow that couldn't be brought to market under anything but the most extraordinary emergency circumstances.

02:09:22.000 And so they took a virus that shouldn't have existed in humans at all and wasn't that terrifying.

02:09:28.000 When it was released into the population and they turned it into something frightening enough that people would contemplate things that they ordinarily would have rejected.

02:09:39.000 But doesn't that also make sense that the emergency use authorization would have to be in place in order for them to implement this?

02:09:49.000 Because you're always going to, like you said, the lack of a control, right?

02:09:52.000 If everybody gets vaccinated, you don't know what the hell happened.

02:09:54.000 You blame it on COVID, which is why people who have been hit with the shots say they have long COVID. But if you have no emergency use authorization, And then people are allowed to make their own decisions and doctors are allowed to make their own decisions.

02:10:09.000 It's way easier to do it with this emergency use authorization.

02:10:13.000 It's way easier to slip it through.

02:10:15.000 And the only way you could stop that is if all of a sudden – so emergency use authorization is supposed to only exist if there's not – Some sort of a medication that currently exists that treats it, right?

02:10:27.000 Otherwise, you're going to have to go through all the trials if there's another medication that exists.

02:10:30.000 So you demonize the medications, you sneak it through, you make everybody take it, therefore you lose the control, and now you've got this platform rolled out.

02:10:38.000 Do you think that they didn't know to the extent of the damage that it was going to cause?

02:10:44.000 I think they knew.

02:10:45.000 You think they knew it was going to harm that many people?

02:10:49.000 Yeah.

02:10:50.000 Because so much, I mean, I'm not arguing that the EUA wasn't important.

02:10:56.000 I think it was important.

02:10:58.000 I just don't think it was necessary for them to, they could have overcome that obstacle the way they overcame many others.

02:11:05.000 I see what you're saying.

02:11:05.000 But the most important thing was rolling out this platform.

02:11:09.000 And normalizing it, getting people to accept the idea that they were going to take an mRNA shot, right?

02:11:15.000 That was a big leap.

02:11:17.000 And so the EUA was important.

02:11:19.000 And we know that because of the shenanigans around, they ultimately did get a shot that they said was the same, not emergency use authorized, but I'm now forgetting the term when the FDA actually, there's another term,

02:11:35.000 it's not authorized, but it's a synonym.

02:11:37.000 But anyway, they did get one approved, and you couldn't get it.

02:11:41.000 They kept giving the one that had the EUA. They did that for legal reasons.

02:11:47.000 It gave them a layer of immunity, right?

02:11:49.000 They had been given the license to deliver an experimental drug And then they got approval for a non-experimental drug and they kept giving the experimental one even though they said they were the same thing.

02:12:03.000 There's something very deep there around the legal status of that emergency use authorized pharmaceutical.

02:12:10.000 Hmm.

02:12:11.000 And so...

02:12:13.000 Do you think that the blowback from all of this and the amount of people that are reporting vaccine injuries and the amount of discussion that's happening, especially online, about these things makes it more difficult for them to roll out that platform for other things?

02:12:29.000 Yes, I think we got in their way.

02:12:31.000 I think we outed them.

02:12:32.000 But to your earlier question about did they know how much harm?

02:12:36.000 If they didn't, they'd be behaving differently now.

02:12:40.000 Notice how it's not slowing them down.

02:12:43.000 Right.

02:12:44.000 They're still recommending these things for six-month-old?

02:12:49.000 What?

02:12:50.000 On what planet would you do that?

02:12:52.000 We now have...

02:12:53.000 And pregnant women. 1.00

02:12:54.000 And pregnant women. 1.00

02:12:55.000 Right.

02:12:55.000 We now have a novel pathogen that presumably...

02:12:59.000 These kids are going to be faced with encounters repeatedly for the rest of their lives, and you want to mess with their immunity six months into life?

02:13:09.000 You have no idea whether you are making it impossible for them to develop some proper immunity so they can fend this thing off for all of the encounters for the rest of their life, right?

02:13:19.000 You're like creating a consumer at the expense of a child.

02:13:24.000 And it's insane.

02:13:26.000 And I will tell you, I've just found out that there is sort of a next chapter on this mRNA stuff, which I don't know if you've paid any attention.

02:13:38.000 Have you noticed what's going on in Japan?

02:13:40.000 No.

02:13:40.000 Self-replicating mRNA?

02:13:41.000 No.

02:13:42.000 So there's a new version.

02:13:44.000 Apparently, when the mRNA platform that we got was settled upon, there were some competing platforms that didn't make it.

02:13:53.000 And those competing platforms are beginning to make their debut.

02:13:57.000 And in Japan, there are currently protests over what's called a self-replicating mRNA vaccine.

02:14:03.000 I think they call it a replicon.

02:14:05.000 And so notice that the whole mRNA platform was really about doing away with the vaccine factory by turning you into a vaccine factory, right?

02:14:19.000 Your cells became the vaccine factory.

02:14:21.000 And there are reasons that a pharmaceutical company, especially an amoral one, would prefer that. 0.92

02:14:28.000 So remember, one of the things that was done to make the...

02:14:46.000 I think?

02:14:53.000 But the more of them you have, the more stable the molecule is.

02:14:56.000 So when they told us the mRNA molecules were short-lived, we didn't have to worry about this shot because the mRNAs weren't going to last very long in our bodies, right?

02:15:05.000 They would disappear.

02:15:06.000 That was a lie.

02:15:07.000 They had hyperstabilized these things.

02:15:09.000 They've now given a Nobel Prize for the hyperstabilization process.

02:15:14.000 They wanted to give a prize for the vaccines, and so they gave it for this narrow thing.

02:15:19.000 I would argue maybe it's the worst design flaw in the entire thing, and that's saying something because there's a substantial number of design flaws.

02:15:26.000 But these self-replicating mRNAs, the competing platform, borrows some machinery from something called an alpha virus.

02:15:37.000 And that alpha virus, basically they take the genome of an alpha virus and they include the gene for the antigen that they want your body to develop an immunity to.

02:15:52.000 But they include it along with some genes for proteins that allow the RNA to Basically copy itself, right?

02:16:04.000 So now, instead of taking a molecule of mRNA and putting it in lipid nanoparticle and making it hyper-stable so it keeps making new messages, what they're going to do is they're going to allow the mRNA to duplicate itself biologically inside of you, right?

02:16:21.000 Now this is madness.

02:16:25.000 Right?

02:16:26.000 They are running a radical experiment, a new one.

02:16:29.000 The mRNA platform was a radical experiment to begin with, self-replicating.

02:16:36.000 That's a whole new level of radical.

02:16:38.000 And they are considering, I think they have gotten permission to deliver this stuff in Japan this fall.

02:16:48.000 Right?

02:16:49.000 So this is If these people did not understand the damage that they were going to do, it would have given them pause. 0.98

02:16:58.000 They would have looked at all of the harm, all of the people who died who didn't need to, all of the people suffering from, you know, compromised immunity, and they would have thought, holy shit, what did we miss? 0.82

02:17:12.000 But that's not what they think. 0.98

02:17:14.000 This is business as usual for them.

02:17:16.000 It's clearly business as usual.

02:17:22.000 The only way you're going to develop new novel medications that are effective is commerce.

02:17:27.000 You're going to have to have people profiting off of them, which is why they fund them.

02:17:31.000 It costs a lot of money under the current climate.

02:17:33.000 If you have FDA approval, it costs billions of dollars to achieve that.

02:17:38.000 So you need people to be able to make money.

02:17:40.000 But isn't people making money off these medications the real reason why stuff like this happens in the first place?

02:17:48.000 I think it's a bad paradigm.

02:17:50.000 You know, I definitely want those rare pharmaceuticals that actually do more good than harm.

02:17:56.000 When you say rare, what percentage do you think it is?

02:18:03.000 1%.

02:18:05.000 Jesus Christ.

02:18:07.000 Yeah.

02:18:08.000 Now, that's going to sound crazy to people, but let me defend it for a second.

02:18:14.000 Okay.

02:18:15.000 When you have a pathology that's widespread enough for a company to make a medication to do something about it, you are dealing with a failure of the environment in which the creature lives.

02:18:29.000 Okay.

02:18:31.000 Our focus should be on that.

02:18:33.000 It should be on what's in our food that we're not expecting.

02:18:38.000 Seed oils, for example.

02:18:40.000 A lot of us spent our lives not noticing that seed oils weren't what they appeared to be and that they actually have a role to play in the creation of disease.

02:18:49.000 It's not vegetable oil.

02:18:52.000 Avocado oil is vegetable oil.

02:18:54.000 Seed oil.

02:18:55.000 It's a fruit oil.

02:18:56.000 Exactly.

02:18:57.000 It's a fatty fruit oil.

02:18:58.000 Perfect.

02:18:59.000 So the point is that one makes sense because a plant does not want you eating its seed, right?

02:19:06.000 So it puts toxins in the seed.

02:19:08.000 The oil from avocados comes from the flesh, which is there to induce birds to take the seed various places.

02:19:15.000 So the point is it's designed as a food.

02:19:18.000 So anyway, there's something wrong with the environment.

02:19:23.000 The profitable thing to do is not to fix the environment.

02:19:26.000 It's to create a remedy or something that masquerades as a remedy.

02:19:29.000 And the number of harms that are being done to people is just compounding.

02:19:32.000 So my feeling is the paradigm is wrong.

02:19:35.000 I want the antibiotic to prevent the gangrene, right?

02:19:41.000 We've cured gangrene.

02:19:43.000 People don't lose their arms anymore because they got a wound.

02:19:47.000 That's good.

02:19:48.000 That's a pharmaceutical that's worth having.

02:19:49.000 We should treat it with respect.

02:19:51.000 We should not deliver the stuff where it doesn't belong.

02:19:55.000 But by and large...

02:20:08.000 I think the cost we pay is huge and that the market is going to find We're good to go.

02:20:39.000 It starts in the kitchen.

02:20:40.000 That's something that doctors I respect have pointed out that this is about what you're consuming.

02:20:46.000 It's about the environment that you live in.

02:20:48.000 It's about understanding that sunlight is an important contributor to health and that the way we live means that you're probably deficient in vitamin D. It's about all of those things.

02:20:57.000 And the amount of good that could be done just by simply recognizing the environmental component is huge.

02:21:05.000 Well, that seems reasonable.

02:21:09.000 I must be a crank.

02:21:10.000 Yeah, I know.

02:21:10.000 Isn't that funny?

02:21:11.000 That was what was hilarious to me during the pandemic was people that were clearly not physically healthy saying that the only way that you could be healthy was to take this medication.

02:21:22.000 That, to me, was bizarre.

02:21:24.000 It was so bizarre because they weren't even considering taking care of their body. 0.98

02:21:27.000 They were only considering taking this medication as if taking care of your body was foolish. 0.97

02:21:32.000 Right.

02:21:33.000 Which is so weird.

02:21:34.000 Like, when I had Hotez on, he was talking about his diet. 0.96

02:21:36.000 I remember that.

02:21:37.000 I was like, what do you eat?

02:21:38.000 Do you ever work out?

02:21:40.000 He eats junk food!

02:21:42.000 He eats junk food and blasts himself with vaccines.

02:21:45.000 Yeah.

02:21:45.000 It's nuts.

02:21:47.000 It's nuts.

02:21:48.000 Yeah.

02:21:49.000 I don't know.

02:21:49.000 I don't know what's up with him, but it's...

02:21:51.000 Something not good.

02:21:52.000 Yeah.

02:21:53.000 Yeah.

02:21:53.000 I mean, just the contradictory statements over the years and his stance on vaccines when Trump was president, his stance on the mRNA platform when Trump was president versus the immediate 180 that he took when Biden took in office.

02:22:08.000 I hate to say this, but he's either a cold-hearted liar or... 0.95

02:22:19.000 The most profoundly unself-aware person that has ever existed. 0.98

02:22:24.000 I mean, it's stunning.

02:22:26.000 I think it's two.

02:22:27.000 It's number two.

02:22:28.000 It's the latter.

02:22:30.000 With a little bit of number one that is necessary in order to be number two.

02:22:35.000 You know, I think you...

02:22:37.000 If you're a part of a system and it's really important that you support all the people above you in this system and that you all work together and you're a good company man...

02:22:58.000 Yeah.

02:23:03.000 Yeah.

02:23:04.000 Well...

02:23:05.000 Which is why they attacked me so hard.

02:23:07.000 They don't want someone healthy to get over it real quick and say, hey, you know me.

02:23:12.000 I work out all the time.

02:23:13.000 By the way, got over it real quick.

02:23:15.000 This is how I did it.

02:23:17.000 Well, that goes back to what I was getting at.

02:23:21.000 Everything I saw suggested they wanted it to be as terrifying as possible.

02:23:26.000 Absolutely.

02:23:27.000 Yeah, there was no comforting people, no telling people, listen, it's not nearly as bad as we thought it was going to be.

02:23:33.000 You're going to be fine.

02:23:33.000 They didn't want to contribute to vaccine hesitancy.

02:23:36.000 Right.

02:23:36.000 Because they wanted that money to keep rolling in.

02:23:38.000 And that, the number, I mean, just the shift in that.

02:23:42.000 Imagine if they did.

02:23:43.000 Imagine if right away they said, you know what, this is not nearly as bad as we thought it was going to be.

02:23:47.000 The way Bill Gates talks about it now, right?

02:23:50.000 It actually mostly affected older people and people who were very vulnerable.

02:23:54.000 Those are the people that really affected it.

02:23:57.000 The amount of profit they would have made would have been significantly less, and the enthusiasm for the platform would have been significantly less.

02:24:04.000 Yes.

02:24:05.000 I really believe you're talking in the end about, I think, Many hundreds of billions is unrealistically low.

02:24:17.000 We're talking about an industry that has been playing this game without our knowledge, right?

02:24:22.000 How do you demonize competing drugs?

02:24:25.000 How do you make your pharmaceutical look safe when it isn't?

02:24:28.000 How do you make it look effective when it isn't?

02:24:31.000 Right?

02:24:32.000 That's the game every day of the week for these people.

02:24:34.000 And they found the ultimate version of that game in the mRNA platform.

02:24:40.000 Which they wanted to normalize and they needed an emergency to do it.

02:24:56.000 But it's also, the weird thing was, especially now because of Zuckerberg's recent statement, we now know for sure that what he was saying was that they were pressuring them to remove COVID-19 information that turned out to be true.

02:25:16.000 So the government was involved in this whole thing because the government was probably being pressured by the pharmaceutical drug companies.

02:25:26.000 Yes, and even those distinctions, I think, are quaint.

02:25:30.000 We are now watching the fusion of corporate power and governmental power.

02:25:38.000 That is the definition of fascism.

02:25:41.000 We're seeing the breakdown of individual and national sovereignty, right?

02:25:50.000 What the hell is the Five Eyes?

02:25:51.000 Why are the intelligence apparatus of these countries conspiring against the citizens of these countries?

02:25:59.000 All of the categories that we grew up with are an obstacle to seeing what's actually functioning as our antagonist here.

02:26:10.000 It doesn't have a name.

02:26:12.000 It doesn't have a national boundary.

02:26:13.000 It's clearly targeting the civil liberties that make the West possible.

02:26:18.000 And we're going to have to level up quickly if we are actually going to survive this.

02:26:27.000 So what's worst case scenario in your mind?

02:26:30.000 With all the competing factors that are happening right now, what's worst case scenario?

02:26:36.000 Well, let's leave this terrestrial, okay? 0.97

02:26:40.000 There are some space weather stuff I'm pretty concerned about that we really need to have our governmental shit in order to deal with. 0.87

02:26:47.000 But I'm concerned that we are facing The last opportunity to wield the power that remains in our Constitution in order to preserve the West. 0.73

02:27:06.000 I really believe the West is at stake in this election, and I know that everybody will laugh and they will say, ah, everybody always says this is the last opportunity, this time it's really dire, but I truly believe the Republic is in Serious jeopardy.

02:27:25.000 I believe that however it happened, the Blue Team has become hostile to all of the fundamental values that allow the Republic to function, And that undergird the West.

02:27:41.000 And when I say the West, I'm not talking about a set of countries.

02:27:44.000 I'm not talking about a geographic description.

02:27:46.000 I'm talking about an agreement not to rig the world in favor of your people. 0.93

02:27:53.000 An agreement On a level playing field in which people are rewarded for creating wealth from which we all benefit.

02:28:01.000 That system is incredibly dynamic and powerful.

02:28:07.000 It increases human well-being at a rate that no other competing system has ever come close to.

02:28:15.000 And it is very strong in one way.

02:28:20.000 Its capacity to generate wealth is incredible.

02:28:23.000 But it is vulnerable.

02:28:26.000 The reason that our founding documents have the strange form that they do, the reason that the founders of the US carved out all of these counterintuitive rights are that in order to stabilize that system, you needed to have an industrial strength document that prevented all sorts of threats from getting anywhere near the core of that system.

02:28:49.000 So I think the worst case scenario is the next election, November, we don't beat the cheat margin.

02:29:02.000 The blue team remains in power and it dismantles the remaining protections of our civil liberties and the basis of our freedom.

02:29:16.000 And what would be the way they would go about doing that?

02:29:20.000 Well, you know, you saw it, right?

02:29:23.000 That thing you put up from the New York Times.

02:29:25.000 The idea is, look, at some level, we've got the First Amendment, Which is already in tremendous peril, right?

02:29:38.000 We've got Brazil turning off X, as you pointed out, threatening to ruin anybody who uses a VPN to circumvent their block.

02:29:51.000 You've got Pavel Durov, who has been effectively taken hostage in France.

02:29:59.000 The owner of Telegram.

02:30:00.000 Yeah.

02:30:01.000 You have people in Britain being arrested for...

02:30:07.000 Speaking freely.

02:30:09.000 And the US is actually in some ways the last holdout.

02:30:15.000 Why are we the last holdout?

02:30:17.000 Because our First Amendment is spelled out in very clear terms and it's difficult to get around it.

02:30:25.000 And You know, you and I lived through an era of terrible censorship, but it had to be cryptic.

02:30:35.000 Here, you showed the New York Times, was it?

02:30:39.000 Experimenting with how to phrase the argument for unhooking the Constitution so that people would get used to the idea that that was being done for them.

02:30:49.000 Right?

02:30:50.000 It's dangerous.

02:30:53.000 The First Amendment is dangerous.

02:30:55.000 The Constitution is dangerous.

02:30:56.000 Is it dangerous?

02:30:58.000 They pose the question.

02:31:00.000 Let's flip the topic on its head.

02:31:03.000 The founders of the US enshrined counterintuitive rights.

02:31:10.000 These were brilliant men and they enshrined counterintuitive rights because they understood a thing or two about tyranny because they had faced it.

02:31:20.000 They knew that There was no way to eliminate bad speech without eliminating necessary speech.

02:31:30.000 So they said, you know what?

02:31:32.000 You can't do it.

02:31:33.000 There is lots of bad speech.

02:31:34.000 Live with it.

02:31:35.000 You know why?

02:31:36.000 Because there's really uncomfortable stuff that needs to be said that you don't want anyone to have the power to eliminate.

02:31:42.000 Right?

02:31:42.000 That's counterintuitive.

02:31:43.000 Everybody, every child understands people shouldn't be allowed to say bad stuff.

02:31:49.000 Right?

02:31:49.000 Maybe that's appropriate in a kindergarten classroom.

02:31:52.000 But it's not appropriate in a civilization where we have to figure out what's good and what's bad.

02:31:58.000 Right.

02:31:58.000 And it has to be debated.

02:31:59.000 Nobody has the position from which to say which speech has no value.

02:32:03.000 So that's off-limits.

02:32:05.000 But here's the frightening part.

02:32:10.000 It's even frightening to raise this point.

02:32:14.000 That First Amendment is where it is for a reason.

02:32:16.000 It's the fundamental right to all of these.

02:32:21.000 They placed the Second Amendment in the backup position.

02:32:26.000 So what I'm telling you is I am concerned that we are You can hear our civil liberties creaking.

02:32:36.000 You can hear that document threatening to give way.

02:32:40.000 You can hear the enemies of it experimenting with explaining what they're doing and why they're really the ones who are looking out for your best interests.

02:32:50.000 All of these maniacs are going to make violence inevitable.

02:32:54.000 We have to avoid that.

02:32:57.000 We absolutely have to avoid that.

02:33:00.000 So, I don't know if this is the moment to talk about what's brewing over the course of the next month.

02:33:08.000 Sure.

02:33:09.000 Alright.

02:33:10.000 So, several of us are organizing a An event.

02:33:17.000 I don't really want to call it an event, because although it's technically an event, I think it's much more important than that.

02:33:23.000 But we're going to hold an event on the Capitol Mall on September 29th.

02:33:29.000 It's going to be between the Washington Monument and the World War II Memorial.

02:33:33.000 That event is called Rescue the Republic.

02:33:36.000 And it is really about rescuing the Republic in order to save the West.

02:33:44.000 This is An attempt to gather the unity movement that is forming at this moment.

02:33:55.000 Here you can see some of the characters who will be joining us on the mall.

02:34:03.000 And here's the pitch I would make.

02:34:11.000 There are transcendent moments in culture.

02:34:15.000 There are moments at which something shifts.

02:34:20.000 Woodstock was a music festival, but it was obviously more than a music festival.

02:34:24.000 It was a defining moment for a generation.

02:34:27.000 I think there's a lot that's unfortunate about what that generation has done.

02:34:31.000 And in fact, I believe they've put us in the jeopardy that we're in now.

02:34:34.000 And that in some ways, what we're struggling to do is get past their The event that we are holding on the Capitol Mall on September 29th is really an attempt to bookend that era, to end it, and to start a new era in which,

02:34:52.000 as Bobby Kennedy said, we love our children more than we hate each other.

02:34:57.000 All right.

02:34:58.000 And that allows us to come together and recognize each other as allies to fend off this force that is obviously targeting our civil liberties, our freedom, the very foundations of our system.

02:35:10.000 So what we've done is we've outlined eight pillars.

02:35:15.000 There are things which I think almost every member of Your audience, really any patriot, anybody who understands the value of the West would resonate with.

02:35:27.000 These are just fundamentals.

02:35:28.000 And we can go through them in a second if you want.

02:35:31.000 But the idea is we're going to get as many people as we can together on the Capitol Mall.

02:35:37.000 And my point would be it could be 50,000 people.

02:35:46.000 That's not enough.

02:35:48.000 If you want to prevent the other side from being able to cheat its way to victory, there needs to be a massive showing of support for this unity coalition that is emerging.

02:36:00.000 This unity coalition is not MAGA. It contains MAGA. MAGA is part of that coalition.

02:36:08.000 We saw that begin to happen where President Trump brought on Bobby Kennedy when Bobby Kennedy stepped out of the race, right?

02:36:16.000 That was the moment at which the idea of unity began to catalyze.

02:36:21.000 And the question is, all right, well, how many of us are there?

02:36:24.000 So, gathering on the Capitol Mall is going to allow us to show just how many of us there are and how serious we are about restoring the Republic and returning to the foundational principles.

02:36:38.000 How many FBI agents think are going to show up?

02:36:41.000 Well, you should be able to recognize them by the swastikas that they're carrying, the fact that they're inciting violence, or... 0.69

02:36:49.000 You think that's going to happen?

02:36:51.000 Well, let's put it this way.

02:36:55.000 The first of the pillars of the Rescue the Republic event is war is always the last resort.

02:37:04.000 And I would broaden that a little bit just so that it's very clear to people who are listening to this.

02:37:09.000 And I realize you're an MMA guy, so I got to be careful here.

02:37:13.000 Non-consensual violence is always the last resort.

02:37:19.000 If you want to gather with somebody else and fight with them under some agreement, that's fine.

02:37:23.000 Violence is very different than sport.

02:37:26.000 Combat sports, violence is just a part of it.

02:37:31.000 They're some of the nicest guys you ever want to meet.

02:37:33.000 Oh, yeah.

02:37:34.000 Believe me, I want to leave plenty of room for that.

02:37:37.000 I just want to say, if I say violence is the last resort, I don't want anybody to be confused about what that means.

02:37:42.000 But the point is, look, violence is the last resort, and this gathering is the attempt to avoid that happening.

02:37:48.000 The people who are eroding our rights are making it inevitable.

02:37:52.000 We want to head them off at the pass, and we want to proclaim what it is that we stand for.

02:37:58.000 And the first thing that we stand for is that war is always the last result. 0.66

02:38:01.000 This is not a pacifist movement, right?

02:38:05.000 In fact, I've been...

02:38:07.000 All right.

02:38:10.000 Do you remember learning in school...

02:38:14.000 That this country, this bastion of freedom, was forged by patriots who fought off tyrants, who beat the odds and created this country?

02:38:29.000 Do you remember learning that Thomas Jefferson said that the tree of liberty must periodically be refreshed with the blood of patriots and tyrants?

02:38:38.000 So this idea that tyranny is a profound problem is written in our DNA as a nation and Those who are cynically dismantling the nation are putting us in that jeopardy.

02:39:01.000 And what I'm afraid that people will do is they will, with some justification, say to themselves, you know what?

02:39:08.000 I'm not sure how much my vote counts.

02:39:10.000 I'm not sure what we can do.

02:39:11.000 I'm expecting them to cheat.

02:39:13.000 And then they're going to cross their fingers and we're going to end up with a result that people are going to have a hard time accepting.

02:39:22.000 This is the alternative.

02:39:24.000 If you don't know if your vote counts, you know what does count?

02:39:28.000 If you show up in a large group that makes it very clear that there are lots of us who are intent on keeping our rights.

02:39:40.000 So, the first of our...

02:39:42.000 Oh, go ahead.

02:39:44.000 No.

02:39:44.000 First of our pillars, war is always the last resort.

02:39:48.000 Second is that we have to recodify informed consent.

02:39:53.000 So, the medical freedom movement is part and parcel of what we are.

02:40:00.000 And I know that that's an issue that is profoundly important.

02:40:06.000 I'm concerned that...

02:40:12.000 The medical freedom movement was taking shape and then events happened that caused it to get swamped.

02:40:20.000 The fact that the Trump campaign was uninterested in talking about the problems of Project Warp Speed dropped that issue to a low priority and we are going to re-prioritize it.

02:40:41.000 The third of our pillars is that we have to repel censorship, propaganda, and information control.

02:40:50.000 We have a right to have a public square, to have a discussion.

02:40:56.000 A right to be incorrect.

02:40:58.000 Hopefully, you're honorable about it and you discover you're incorrect and you fix your error, but we have to be able to talk freely.

02:41:04.000 There's nobody who knows what the facts are so that they can tell us which things we're allowed to talk about any more than there's somebody in a position to tell us which speech is tolerable, right?

02:41:15.000 This is sacrosanct.

02:41:17.000 And so we have to have an end to censorship.

02:41:22.000 The fourth pillar is that we have to return to a modality of truth-seeking.

02:41:32.000 You can't have a system of universities or institutes or arms of the government that believe they have the right to lie to us for our own good.

02:41:46.000 That leads to a very dark place.

02:41:49.000 And so we have to replace that paternalistic anti-truth bent with a return to open truth-seeking.

02:42:02.000 So that's the fourth one.

02:42:06.000 Fifth one is an end to lawfare.

02:42:10.000 We've seen the radical abuse of the courts.

02:42:14.000 Much of it amounts to election interference.

02:42:16.000 So it is breaking down another one of the fundamental elements of a democratic society.

02:42:23.000 It is making it impossible to elect.

02:42:25.000 The people we would choose to elect were being steered I would say the second component of our focus on lawfare is that we have to have elections that we can trust.

02:42:39.000 Free and fair elections are obviously central to a democratic republic.

02:42:44.000 And so that has to be enshrined in a way, in my personal opinion, this is not the opinion of The organizers of the event necessarily, but in my personal opinion, this is a place where the various states all coming up with their own mechanisms for voting is a problem.

02:43:04.000 And I think actually we have to have a national conversation about how to hold elections that are transparent and verifiable.

02:43:12.000 That seems like a minimum requirement.

02:43:14.000 I think I'm on the...

02:43:16.000 That was six.

02:43:17.000 That was six.

02:43:18.000 So the seventh pillar is financial freedom.

02:43:24.000 So this is essentially about the danger of a central bank digital currency that we need to retain the capacity to be autonomous and we can't have tyranny inflicted on us.

02:43:40.000 We're good to go.

02:43:53.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:43:53.000 Border policy.

02:43:54.000 We need a rational border policy.

02:43:58.000 Obviously open borders don't make any sense.

02:44:01.000 Immigration is something that we need to decide what the right level is. 0.99

02:44:04.000 We need to decide how to bring in people who actually want to be Americans and only at the rate that the civilization in question can absorb them and they can be part of this great experiment. 0.93

02:44:19.000 And then the last one is...

02:44:21.000 Injustice.

02:44:24.000 No, that's lawfare.

02:44:26.000 The last one is going to be...

02:44:31.000 Where is it?

02:44:32.000 Oh, development.

02:44:32.000 Right, of course.

02:44:34.000 The sovereignty of the family.

02:44:37.000 We can't have a civilization in which the government is telling you that because your child said something that they think means that they are genderqueer, that they need to have medications and surgeries inflicted on them, and that it's not your right as a parent to say no.

02:44:55.000 So those are the eight pillars.

02:44:58.000 I think if people think about Those eight pillars and realize actually...

02:45:04.000 There's nothing to disagree with there.

02:45:06.000 That reasonable people would all agree to these things because they're not in any way radical and that a unity movement built around these things is exactly where they want to be in an era where there's so much insanity being presented to us as the only way forward.

02:45:22.000 Hopefully they will gather with us on the Capitol Mall on September 29th and show themselves.

02:45:28.000 And really I think if you had If half a million people show up, that will make a pretty unambiguous statement.

02:45:36.000 I think it's important to point out that you had this idea a while ago and that it was actually removed from Twitter.

02:45:45.000 In 2020?

02:45:46.000 Yeah.

02:45:49.000 I initiated what I called the Unity 2020 movement, which I actually announced on your show under a different name.

02:45:56.000 It was called Dark Horse Duo before it became Unity 2020. And I still think it was the right idea.

02:46:03.000 It was elegant in its construction so that it neutralized things by virtue of the balance of the plan.

02:46:12.000 That's not what we're faced with now.

02:46:14.000 But I do think, yeah, if I'm...

02:46:17.000 If I'm perfectly frank about it, I think Unity was the right answer.

02:46:20.000 It was the wrong moment for it to catch fire.

02:46:23.000 But what's important is that it was removed from Twitter.

02:46:27.000 Yeah, it was removed from Twitter.

02:46:28.000 What was the rationalization, what did they say?

02:46:30.000 It was under false pretenses.

02:46:32.000 What they said was that we had engaged in, what was their phrase?

02:46:36.000 Something like inorganic behavior or inauthentic behavior, which was code for...

02:46:42.000 Bots.

02:46:42.000 Yeah, bots that they argued that we had used.

02:46:46.000 We did an internal investigation to see if somebody had used them under our banner.

02:46:52.000 It turned out there was no truth in it.

02:46:53.000 Well, here's the thing you could do very easily.

02:46:55.000 You put bots onto this program.

02:46:59.000 So you have these people that are tweeting under this banner, and then you send the bots to that page to agree with them.

02:47:07.000 They say, oh my god, we found bots.

02:47:08.000 Right.

02:47:08.000 Let's shut it down.

02:47:09.000 Yeah, absolutely.

02:47:10.000 I mean, it's the same trick as sending people with a swastika flag to the trucker march so that you can claim that they're Nazis.

02:47:19.000 Exactly the same stuff.

02:47:21.000 It's just organized.

02:47:23.000 Yeah, it's organized.

02:47:26.000 I don't know.

02:47:28.000 I do think unity is the right message.

02:47:30.000 I think this is exactly the moment at which people do come together because many people feel the jeopardy.

02:47:40.000 I sincerely hope that what President Trump discovered when he brought Bobby Kennedy on board continues to grow in his mind because I think actually he has the potential to lead I think?

02:48:14.000 Not the polarizing figure that people seem intent on turning him into, but he would go down in history as a galvanizing figure, as really a re-founder of the country.

02:48:27.000 I know that will be hard for many people who have thought ill of him to swallow, but I don't know what you think, but the joining of the Trump campaign and Bobby Kennedy.

02:48:43.000 And Tulsi.

02:48:45.000 And Tulsi.

02:48:45.000 Tulsi, who is in fact coming to our event.

02:48:48.000 I will say Tulsi's coming.

02:48:50.000 Jimmy Dore, Russell Brand will be there.

02:48:56.000 Oh, you know who's going to be there?

02:48:57.000 Who?

02:48:58.000 Bobby Kennedy.

02:49:00.000 He's not on the website yet.

02:49:03.000 Matt Taibbi?

02:49:04.000 Robert Malone?

02:49:05.000 Matt Taibbi will be there.

02:49:06.000 Zuby will be there.

02:49:07.000 Pierre Corey, Robert Malone, Colonel Douglas McGregor.

02:49:14.000 And this is September 29th.

02:49:16.000 And what is the website?

02:49:18.000 Jointheresistance.org?

02:49:19.000 Jointheresistance.org is where you find it.

02:49:24.000 And...

02:49:24.000 Laura Logan will be present.

02:49:29.000 And there are some folks...

02:49:30.000 So, by the way, Bobby says hello.

02:49:35.000 There are some other folks that we are negotiating with to see if we can get them there.

02:49:42.000 Some very big names.

02:49:44.000 I wish I could tell you.

02:49:47.000 No worries.

02:49:48.000 That's enough big names.

02:49:49.000 Yeah.

02:49:49.000 But in any case, I can't emphasize enough how important it is that we make a strong showing.

02:49:57.000 And the reason that it is important is because it will make it very difficult to sell the story that the enthusiasm simply drove Kamala Harris, who has yet to articulate anything like a vision, We need to make it clear,

02:50:15.000 right?

02:50:15.000 If you worry that your vote doesn't count, your physical presence on the mall, the picture of Americans coming together across ideological divides and joining together in order to rescue the Republic, I believe is the antidote to the cheating that we all fear.

02:50:36.000 All right.

02:50:37.000 Hear, hear.

02:50:38.000 Bert Weinstein, appreciate you very much.

02:50:41.000 Right back at you.

02:50:42.000 Thank you.

02:50:43.000 Thanks for being you.

02:50:44.000 All right.

02:50:44.000 Thanks, brother.

02:50:45.000 Goodbye, everybody.

02:50:45.000 All right.

02:50:46.000 We were going to end.

02:50:47.000 Ladies and gentlemen, a bonus.

02:50:48.000 A bonus.

02:50:49.000 We had forgot to talk about this one thing.

02:50:51.000 So when Tucker was on, he was saying that there was no evidence for evolution.

02:50:56.000 Yeah.

02:50:57.000 And you had a real problem with that.

02:50:59.000 Well, I didn't have a real problem with that.

02:51:01.000 A small problem with that?

02:51:03.000 Let's put it this way.

02:51:04.000 I think it's nonsense, but I understand how he ends up there.

02:51:08.000 So let me just say, I saw that segment, of course, as you would imagine, and...

02:51:15.000 I immediately reached out to him, and I said, Tucker, you've got it wrong.

02:51:21.000 The evidence for Darwinian evolution, for adaptation, is overwhelming, and I would love to sit down with you and talk to you about why that is.

02:51:33.000 And he said, I would love that.

02:51:35.000 We haven't had a chance yet, but I do think it's important in...

02:51:40.000 But saying something about where that perspective is coming from and why it's incorrect, it is important to say, I really appreciate Tucker and his openness to hearing the counterargument says a lot about him.

02:51:57.000 He was not the slightest bit defensive and, in fact, was eager to hear about Darwinism and Well, he's absolutely willing to change his mind.

02:52:05.000 Yeah.

02:52:06.000 About everything.

02:52:07.000 Yeah, I agree.

02:52:08.000 Which is great.

02:52:09.000 It's very important that he's got such a big voice because of that.

02:52:13.000 I agree.

02:52:14.000 And I must just say...

02:52:19.000 It's funny.

02:52:20.000 I went on his show.

02:52:22.000 He was the first person to reach out when things melted down in 2017 at Evergreen.

02:52:28.000 And I thought him a villain at the time.

02:52:31.000 But because nobody else had reached out from any mainstream platform, I felt like I had no choice but...

02:52:38.000 I remember you took a lot of heat for that, for being on your show.

02:52:40.000 A lot of heat.

02:52:41.000 But I also...

02:52:42.000 It was a wake-up call because, you know, I was expecting him to treat me badly.

02:52:50.000 I was expecting him to treat me as a liberal who got what he deserved.

02:52:54.000 And instead, he was absolutely compassionate.

02:52:58.000 And he didn't...

02:52:59.000 There was no part of him that was taking a victory lap over some liberal who was faced with an angry...

02:53:08.000 He's oddly misinterpreted.

02:53:10.000 Yes.

02:53:12.000 The way people pretend he is versus how he actually is.

02:53:17.000 I mean, he doesn't do himself any favors like when he had that guy on that said he blew Obama.

02:53:21.000 Like, what are you doing? 0.99

02:53:22.000 What the fuck are you doing? 1.00

02:53:24.000 He's just wild. 1.00

02:53:25.000 But I mean, he's willing to have on anybody, I guess.

02:53:27.000 But who he is as a person, he's a lovely guy.

02:53:30.000 Yeah, he's a great guy.

02:53:32.000 Very nice guy.

02:53:32.000 And, you know, he's just, like, obsessively in love with nature.

02:53:38.000 Oh, yeah.

02:53:39.000 Right?

02:53:40.000 Yeah, which is really interesting about him.

02:53:42.000 Passionate fly fisherman.

02:53:43.000 Oh, yeah.

02:53:43.000 Passionate outdoorsman.

02:53:46.000 And anyway, I have a lot of affection for the guy.

02:53:50.000 Yeah, I do, too.

02:53:50.000 And it is interesting.

02:53:52.000 There's a certain group of people that are just on Team Blue. 0.96

02:53:56.000 They say anything positive about Tucker, and you're some sort of a terrible villain, and he represents white supremacy. 0.97

02:54:04.000 Yep. 0.99

02:54:06.000 Okay.

02:54:06.000 Yeah.

02:54:07.000 What?

02:54:07.000 Yeah, it was a strange discovery.

02:54:11.000 But it's being connected to Fox News.

02:54:13.000 You get attached to Fox News, you get attached, especially him, the most popular voice on Fox News.

02:54:19.000 Yeah, I spent a lot of time, you know, he's always being demonized as a white supremacist or something.

02:54:26.000 And I got into the habit, every time somebody said, oh, you know, Tucker's finally revealed himself, I would click through and see what the evidence was.

02:54:36.000 And it's just like, okay, the guy just said he wasn't for open borders, right?

02:54:40.000 It's just empty.

02:54:42.000 Yeah, well, it's just the rational voice is so discouraged in today's world.

02:54:48.000 The rational, objective voice where you look at both sides.

02:54:52.000 You look at, I see why someone would say this.

02:54:54.000 I see what you're saying.

02:54:55.000 I see this.

02:54:56.000 You know, everybody immediately gets polarized.

02:54:59.000 Everybody immediately connects to their ideology and changes The words of someone to be the least charitable version of what it is and the most heinous interpretation of who that human being is.

02:55:12.000 And if you support them, you support this.

02:55:13.000 And if you platform them, you platform this.

02:55:15.000 And it's just nonsense. 1.00

02:55:17.000 It's nonsense peddled by morons. 1.00

02:55:20.000 It's a moronic way to look at the world. 1.00

02:55:22.000 It really is. 0.95

02:55:23.000 Yeah, it's almost beyond that because, I mean, look, I remember thinking Bobby Kennedy was...

02:55:33.000 A kook.

02:55:34.000 Yeah.

02:55:35.000 100%.

02:55:35.000 I said it to him when he came on the podcast.

02:55:37.000 I said, I have to be honest that my version of you was connected entirely to you being an anti-vaxxer, conspiracy theorist, kook, the dark... 1.00

02:55:46.000 Cloud of the Kennedy family, this one guy who's just nuts, unfortunately. 0.98

02:55:51.000 Too bad.

02:55:52.000 Then I read the real Anthony Fauci, and I was like, hang on.

02:55:55.000 Yeah.

02:55:56.000 But then I talked to some brilliant people that I know that recommended certain things and told me to read some other things that he had written.

02:56:03.000 I'm like, oh, okay.

02:56:04.000 This is another one of those. 1.00

02:56:05.000 Well, there's people that meet me, and they think I'm some right-wing kook, conspiracy theorist, asshole, mean person. 0.99

02:56:15.000 It's like, okay, how do you get there? 0.99

02:56:18.000 You're getting there because someone's led you there.

02:56:20.000 You're not getting there from a normal objective analysis of a person, who they are and what they stand for.

02:56:27.000 That's exactly it.

02:56:28.000 And with him, he's connected to that business, that business of first environment, right?

02:56:34.000 So he's an environmental attorney.

02:56:35.000 He cleaned up the East River and did a lot of great work.

02:56:40.000 Yeah, he is our champion and we were led to believe that he was...

02:56:45.000 A bad guy.

02:56:46.000 Yeah.

02:56:47.000 Yeah, and he's so well measured when even dealing with these attacks, the way he handles things is so admirable.

02:56:53.000 It is admirable.

02:56:54.000 It really is.

02:56:55.000 Yeah, and you know...

02:56:56.000 It's good for all of us.

02:56:57.000 Yeah.

02:56:58.000 Well, the discovery.

02:56:59.000 I want everybody to have the experience of having thought ill of somebody like Tucker or like Bobby Kennedy and then to discover in person that the rap is just wrong.

02:57:13.000 Right.

02:57:13.000 And you're being led.

02:57:14.000 You're being led by what's essentially propaganda.

02:57:18.000 And it's to polarize us.

02:57:20.000 It's to keep us separated.

02:57:21.000 And to keep us thinking that you don't have anything in common with people on the right, and they're demons.

02:57:27.000 You don't have anything in common with people on the left. 0.71

02:57:29.000 They're loons.

02:57:30.000 Like, you and I are both very socially liberal.

02:57:32.000 Yeah.

02:57:33.000 You know?

02:57:33.000 And the idea that you'd be sitting here saying, Trump's gotta win.

02:57:37.000 I know, who would have thought, right?

02:57:38.000 It's crazy!

02:57:39.000 It is crazy.

02:57:40.000 It's crazy, but the world's crazy.

02:57:42.000 And when the world's crazy, you have to have crazy solutions.

02:57:46.000 I've started when people don't know who I am and they ask.

02:57:52.000 Just say I'm a biologist.

02:57:54.000 Keep moving.

02:57:55.000 Well, the problem is eventually they're going to run into it.

02:57:58.000 So I've started saying, look, I'm happy to tell you what I do, but I should warn you I'm a terrible person who's come to believe unforgivable things.

02:58:10.000 It kind of works because when you hear somebody say that about themselves, it's like, well, okay, what doesn't add up here, right?

02:58:18.000 But anyway, back to Tucker.

02:58:23.000 Here's the problem.

02:58:25.000 I think there's a lot of concern, especially on the right, about the story of Darwinism being incorrect.

02:58:37.000 And to me, this is a slow motion train wreck.

02:58:42.000 I don't fault people for thinking that Darwin had it wrong because I think modern Darwinists have screwed up their job.

02:58:54.000 And in fact, they became advocates for Darwin in a way that prevented them from seeing that there was a major error in the version that they were presenting.

02:59:08.000 And what is the error?

02:59:10.000 The error is that the story...

02:59:14.000 Let's put it this way.

02:59:16.000 Darwin existed at a moment where his ability to access what was taking place inside of biological creatures was just limited technologically.

02:59:29.000 So there's a lot that he didn't know and it actually worked to his benefit.

02:59:36.000 Because what he outlined was an extremely elegant idea.

02:59:43.000 In fact, Richard Dawkins said it was the most powerful theory that anyone had ever come up with.

02:59:51.000 And his defense for that I find very compelling.

02:59:54.000 His defense was the power of a theory is that which it explains divided by that which it assumes.

03:00:01.000 And the thing about Darwinism is it assumes almost nothing, right?

03:00:07.000 Essentially, dissent with modification.

03:00:10.000 And it explains essentially all of biology.

03:00:13.000 So by that rubric, it is just far and away the most powerful theory we've got.

03:00:22.000 What he presented was an outline of how what I would call selection, right, just the non-random sorting of things, when it was coupled with heredity, produced adaptation.

03:00:40.000 Creatures being adapted to their environments by the process of selection where some things outdo other things and heredity allows the characteristics that make some things outdo other things to accumulate.

03:00:55.000 When DNA... So the order of events is...

03:01:00.000 Darwin outlines his hypothesis.

03:01:02.000 Mendel, at the same time, is playing games with pea plants.

03:01:06.000 And Mendel discovers the particulate inheritance.

03:01:12.000 He discovers that if he...

03:01:13.000 He's careful about how he breeds the peas that he can actually identify traits as they move from parent to offspring in a way that suggests that it wasn't like swirling up a bunch of ice cream.

03:01:25.000 It was like things that stayed independent that flowed through these breedings, right?

03:01:31.000 Darwin didn't know about it.

03:01:33.000 Mendel was working at the same time but Darwin apparently did not know about what Mendel was doing and so Darwin worked purely at the level of critters and their characteristics and he knew that there had to be a way for hereditary information to be housed inside of them but he knew nothing about how that worked.

03:01:53.000 Mendel had the first piece of how it worked.

03:01:55.000 It's particulate.

03:01:56.000 These things exist.

03:01:58.000 We now know they exist on chromosomes in DNA form, but that took a long time to figure out.

03:02:02.000 But at the point that we finally found out, Watson and Crick, Elucidate the structure of DNA. They say it hasn't escaped our notice that this provides a place for the information that Mendel had pointed to,

03:02:18.000 that Darwin had implied, that that fits in the DNA, right?

03:02:22.000 At that moment, Our vision of heredity narrowed radically because we had this description of how it is that information can live inside of a biological organism,

03:02:40.000 be past parent to offspring, and be selected in a way that causes adaptation.

03:02:45.000 That story is absolutely true.

03:02:48.000 We know it to be true.

03:02:50.000 And it's so powerful and elegant.

03:02:52.000 That it caused biology to focus on it as if it was Darwin's mechanism, period, the end.

03:03:02.000 The error is that it's not Darwin's mechanism.

03:03:05.000 It is a Darwinian mechanism.

03:03:09.000 And the problem is, As powerful as it is, right, the story that they teach us, random mutations in protein-coding genes are almost always bad.

03:03:21.000 Every so often, there's a good one.

03:03:24.000 Selection tends to accumulate the good ones, and the creatures and their special characteristics are all the results of all the collected good adaptations with all of the bad adaptations, or mutations, all of the good mutations collected and all of the bad mutations lost.

03:03:41.000 That story is not, in my opinion, powerful enough to explain the amazing characteristics of creatures.

03:03:48.000 It explains some of them.

03:03:50.000 It can explain, for example, how you get a pigment molecule.

03:03:56.000 A plant is green because it can't use green light.

03:04:01.000 It's collecting other wavelengths of light.

03:04:03.000 How can you get a molecule that happens to...

03:04:06.000 Collect certain wavelengths of light.

03:04:08.000 That story that I just told you about mutations and protein coding genes can get you to a pigment, right?

03:04:15.000 But can it get you to where an octopus can change its texture and completely camouflage itself to look like a coral reef?

03:04:20.000 No, and I don't think it can get you from a shrew to a bat.

03:04:23.000 Right.

03:04:24.000 Or to a human.

03:04:25.000 Right.

03:04:26.000 True to a human.

03:04:27.000 Right.

03:04:27.000 So, you now have a problem, which is, A, you've got Darwinists and other biologists who have been backed into a corner, and they've sworn up and down that mutations and protein-coding genes, if you give it enough time and enough selective force,

03:04:45.000 can do everything we see.

03:04:48.000 And because they know that the story they're telling is true in some regards, they just keep stretching it so it covers everything.

03:04:56.000 I don't think it does cover everything.

03:04:59.000 In fact, I've thought since I was in college that there was a missing layer, right?

03:05:05.000 That there is a layer that explains how the amazing alterations in form that we see is produced by Darwinian processes.

03:05:15.000 Right?

03:05:16.000 Selection interacting with heredity.

03:05:19.000 And I think we've just missed it.

03:05:23.000 So just to take an analogy so this will be clearer to people.

03:05:29.000 A computer, a modern computer, functions based on binary.

03:05:36.000 The flipping of switches that have exactly two states.

03:05:40.000 If you were to sit down with I don't know, an AI or a sophisticated computer game.

03:05:50.000 And I say, yep, that thing is programmed in binary to do these amazing things that you're seeing.

03:05:59.000 Right?

03:06:00.000 There's a technical truth there, but you couldn't program a game like that in binary.

03:06:07.000 Nobody did.

03:06:08.000 That's not how it happened.

03:06:10.000 There's a layer that's missing.

03:06:11.000 There's a layer called compilers and computer languages that allows a human being, through a very regimented process, to specify things such that the binary layer can do its job.

03:06:24.000 The computer is binary, but there's a whole layer between binary and Halo 3 or whatever the kids are playing.

03:06:31.000 So I'm arguing there's another layer.

03:06:33.000 And I believe it does live in the DNA, but it is not protein-coding genes, right?

03:06:39.000 It is not limited in the same way.

03:06:42.000 So what this does to a guy like Tucker is it leaves him debating between two camps.

03:06:52.000 And you had Stephen Meyer on?

03:06:55.000 Yeah.

03:06:55.000 So I know Stephen Meyer.

03:06:57.000 Really like him, too.

03:07:02.000 Stephen Meyer is obviously a believer in intelligent design.

03:07:07.000 True believer.

03:07:08.000 True believer.

03:07:09.000 Believes in resurrection.

03:07:11.000 Yep.

03:07:12.000 Now, here's the other thing I know about Stephen Meyer, because I've had the good fortune to spend some time with him, to break bread, to talk to him about biology.

03:07:22.000 He really loves biology.

03:07:25.000 And he's good at thinking about it.

03:07:30.000 He's passionate about it.

03:07:31.000 In fact, where I overlapped with him was at a little conference and he brought swim goggles for anybody who wanted them because he wanted to go into the Mediterranean and go look at animals because it's cool, right?

03:07:46.000 This guy's passionate.

03:07:47.000 He's not a faker. 0.66

03:07:50.000 So here's what I would say.

03:07:55.000 He will not be surprised to hear me say, because I've said it directly to him, I don't think he's got it right.

03:08:01.000 He's looking for flaws in Darwinism because he thinks what will be revealed is a divine creator.

03:08:09.000 I think there are flaws in Darwinism.

03:08:12.000 I think they reveal the fact that we've missed a bunch of Darwinism, right?

03:08:16.000 This is no obstacle to us being friends and sharing an appreciation for biology.

03:08:22.000 But it does mean that in the end, we're betting on different outcomes of the experiment.

03:08:27.000 But we're both committed to finding those errors and figuring out what's there.

03:08:32.000 Should I be troubled by the fact that he believes in a divine creator?

03:08:39.000 Not really any more than I should be troubled by a biologist who's motivated by a desire to win a big prize.

03:08:46.000 So do you think there's a process that's yet to be discovered?

03:08:49.000 There's something else going on?

03:08:50.000 Yeah, and I think we've glimpsed it.

03:08:53.000 Have we glimpsed it?

03:08:56.000 I think there's another way that information is stored in DNA that is not in triplet codons.

03:09:03.000 And it allows – it's the equivalent of a – either – we have different kinds of computer languages.

03:09:11.000 Not all of them are compiled.

03:09:13.000 Some of them you can just write directly and tell the computer to operate.

03:09:16.000 But it's the equivalent of a computer language that turbocharges the process of adaptation.

03:09:24.000 And so the point about Stephen Meyer is he makes a number of different arguments about problems he spots with Darwinism.

03:09:31.000 I don't think some of them really are problems, but there is one that strikes me as real.

03:09:37.000 They call it the waiting time problem.

03:09:39.000 And the basic point is, look, we can do the math on how much adaptation we see.

03:09:47.000 And there isn't enough time for you to get the adaptations that you're seeing given how much availability of time there was for those things to occur.

03:09:58.000 So the point is that process that you're claiming made these creatures couldn't have done it in the amount of time you're claiming they were created.

03:10:08.000 Now, my point is that is actually, I think, likely true because there's this other process.

03:10:13.000 Like, if you had to write Halo 3 I don't even know if there is a Halo 3. I don't know.

03:10:20.000 How many Halos are? 1.00

03:10:21.000 Okay.

03:10:21.000 Thumbs up.

03:10:22.000 If you had to write Halo 3 in binary, how long would it take you?

03:10:26.000 It would take you a zillion years because, you know, it's binary.

03:10:30.000 If you had to write it in, I don't know, C++, it might be doable on human timescales.

03:10:37.000 So it's that kind of an error.

03:10:39.000 So I think you've got...

03:10:44.000 You've got Darwinists claiming that the story is more complete than it is.

03:10:49.000 My bet is the thing that's missing is every bit as Darwinian as the part of the story that we already know.

03:10:56.000 So I think to the extent that there's an error, the error is on biologists who thought too narrowly.

03:11:02.000 It's not on Darwin, right?

03:11:04.000 This is not a threat to what Darwin gave us.

03:11:08.000 It's just a belief that Darwin was righter than we had I would argue that ultimately,

03:11:38.000 you still don't escape Darwinism, right?

03:11:43.000 Imagine that this universe was created by somebody who had a plan.

03:11:50.000 My claim would be they used Darwinian evolution to make all the creatures.

03:11:59.000 In fact, I would argue if this universe is one that has a creator, that it is an evolution simulator.

03:12:07.000 That's the most useful thing it does, is it figures out how creatures could be by using this process of selection.

03:12:14.000 And they continue to get better.

03:12:15.000 Right.

03:12:16.000 Yeah.

03:12:17.000 Somebody was interested, you know, I don't think there was a creator, but if there was a creator, I believe not only A, did they use selection and adaptation in order to make the creatures, but that's probably the reason they did the whole experiment, right?

03:12:29.000 That's the most interesting thing it produces.

03:12:33.000 And B, let's say, you know, let's just give the hypothesis its due.

03:12:40.000 Let's say that this was an environment created by some intentional being with the purpose of making critters using Darwinian evolution.

03:12:52.000 Okay?

03:12:53.000 So then, you know, you've heard Elon say, well, if it's possible to simulate universes, then there are bound to be vastly more simulated universes than there are real universes.

03:13:03.000 So we're probably in one.

03:13:05.000 Now, I don't really buy that analysis, but let's say that it's true. 0.98

03:13:09.000 Okay, so you get outside of your simulated universe into what he calls base reality.

03:13:15.000 Okay, now what?

03:13:18.000 Right?

03:13:18.000 Was that one created too?

03:13:21.000 By whom, right?

03:13:23.000 At some level, you're going to get far enough out that you have to invoke a natural process, and that natural process is going to involve something without a creator, right?

03:13:36.000 There's no philosophical place.

03:13:37.000 Even if we're inside something that was intentionally created, that something is inside something that wasn't.

03:13:43.000 It has to be.

03:13:44.000 You eventually get out to that layer.

03:13:46.000 And at that point, you know, if there was a creator You know, there was a creator, an intelligent designer of this cup, right?

03:13:54.000 What designed that creator?

03:13:56.000 Right.

03:13:57.000 Darwinian selection.

03:13:58.000 Right?

03:13:59.000 Let's suppose that's not true.

03:14:00.000 Let's suppose that the creator of that cup is inside a simulator made by another creator.

03:14:05.000 What made that creator?

03:14:07.000 Darwinian evolution.

03:14:09.000 Well, let's suppose that's not true.

03:14:10.000 You go one layer out.

03:14:11.000 Eventually you're going to get to the place where you're going to have to surrender to the only thing anyone's ever come up with that could in principle create intelligent creatures.

03:14:21.000 And it doesn't have a creator.

03:14:22.000 It's a Darwinian process.

03:14:24.000 All right.

03:14:26.000 There you go, Tucker.

03:14:30.000 There's a lot more to say to Tucker.

03:14:32.000 I would say the number of places, you know, the genomes of the creatures that we have did not have to tell an elegant story of how they're related to each other, right?

03:14:41.000 If a creator had designed them, he'd have no reason to make the phylogeny fit an evolutionary story that fit the paleobiology.

03:14:52.000 So the number of confirmations that we have gotten is extraordinary, and they're just not familiar.

03:14:58.000 But anyway, there's a lot of power in the theory, and don't fault the myopia of any generation of scientists.

03:15:07.000 The overall story is elegant and fascinating.

03:15:10.000 All right.

03:15:11.000 That's it.

03:15:11.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - September 04, 2024

Joe Rogan Experience #2198 - Bret Weinstein

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