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00:01:14.000Well, I'm trying to remember exactly what the story was, but there was a point where Ecuador was acting very courageously with respect to Julian Assange.
00:01:23.000And there was a question about whether the president of Ecuador could fly Assange out so that he could be outside of the embassy and inside of Ecuador proper.
00:01:32.000And I believe the reasoning was they couldn't do it because they expected the plane to be forced down.
00:01:38.000So this says, Merrick Garland said that the Justice Department seized an aircraft we allege was illegally purchased for $13 million through a shell company and smuggled out of the United States for use by Nicolas Maduro and his cronies.
00:02:04.000And was there a trial that established that this was ill-gotten gained?
00:02:09.000It says smuggled out of the United States.
00:02:11.000The plane was purchased from a company in Florida, the Justice Department said, and was illegally exported in April 2023 from the United States to Venezuela through the Caribbean.
00:02:20.000So are we not allowed to sell them planes?
00:02:56.000For years, officials have sought to disrupt the flow of billions of dollars to the regime.
00:03:00.000Homeland Security Investigations, the second largest investigative agency in the federal government, has seized dozens of luxury vehicles, among other assets, headed to Venezuela.
00:03:50.000Every time something comes up, people are like, what's the whole story here?
00:03:55.000Well, you know, I coined this term, the Cartesian crisis.
00:04:00.000And the Cartesian crisis basically means the point at which you can't really be certain of anything.
00:04:05.000And the problem is, yes, I do think people are catching on to the fact that they never know the real story.
00:04:11.000But the response to that is either that you start believing the bullshit that they tell you, or that you just become cynical and stop believing anything.
00:04:20.000And neither of those are functional ways to exist.
00:04:23.000And both those ways are good for the people that are running scams.
00:04:39.000And that's the thing people don't understand is at the point that you think you're striking a blow by checking out of their system, you're actually doing them a favor.
00:04:48.000It's actually beneficial to them because then you have a smaller number of people that are voting.
00:04:52.000So essentially in the 2020 elections, it was the largest ever win, right?
00:05:01.000The Democrats got 80-something million votes, which is – so let's say – even if it was 50-50.
00:05:09.000So somewhere in the neighborhood of 160 million people, how many people are women and – I mean how many people with children women can vote?
00:05:32.000Because everybody wants me to be convinced.
00:05:35.000When they, like, yell at you, if you ask a question, like, hey, one of the things that I've always said, and everyone sort of agrees with this, I mean, literally everyone, even people that think that the election was 100% legitimate.
00:05:48.000The percentage of voter fraud is never zero, correct?
00:06:05.000The idea that they commit all these other acts of fraud and deception, but when it comes to elections, Brett, that's a sacred institution that we don't violate at any cost.
00:06:16.000Well, and the way they maintain that story is by ruthlessly punishing anybody who questions it, even though questioning it is the obvious thing to do.
00:06:23.000Because for one thing, elections used to be different, as you remember, right?
00:06:28.000First of all, you used to vote in person.
00:06:30.000And voting by mail was something you were very reluctant to do because you knew that if your vote got counted, it was going to be very late in the process.
00:06:41.000It was for people who just simply couldn't vote in person and it never really mattered except in very rare cases.
00:06:47.000The disappearance of that and the normalization of voting by mail, the normalization of voting across a period of time so that you're not all voting on the same day...
00:07:02.000When everybody's voting from home or wherever, you can't detect fraud by virtue of the fact that the count that came in from that precinct didn't match what the exit pollers registered.
00:07:13.000And so, you know, I don't think we are wrong to imagine that we have lost the ability to check whether an election is fair and that that's not an accident.
00:07:24.000That leaves the possibility open to cheat.
00:07:28.000And as you point out, they cheat in every other way.
00:07:30.000Are we supposed to believe that they won't do that because their patriotism is so deep?
00:07:35.000I don't see any patriotism to them at all.
00:07:37.000Well, not only that, they've established this narrative that it's imperative that the Democrats win to save democracy.
00:07:44.000So the Verde made all of these statements that it's more important for them to win than anything.
00:07:56.000More important than letting the people decide who the representative is.
00:08:01.000More important than having, like, live, actual conversations, interviews that aren't edited on CNN. Instead they have a 40-plus minute one that's edited down to 18 minutes.
00:08:15.000Well, and we just went through this with them over COVID. We know that when they think they're in the right, they feel entitled to lie about everything.
00:08:36.000And it's one of those things, again, that you're forced into agreeing with just out of fear because people get very aggressive with it, just like people were super aggressive about the vaccine.
00:08:56.000But there's something insane about how many people were, like, pro-vaccine advocates that were shaming people and angry at people, and now they're dead.
00:09:07.000And they're not dead because they ran their time and they got old and they died and, you know, it's unfortunate, but it happens to all of us.
00:09:18.000Not one, not 20. We don't even know what the real numbers are because it's not something the mainstream media covers because they've all been vaccinated, too, and they're probably freaking the fuck out, too.
00:10:36.000Let's pretend it was for something else and there was some medication and the people that were taking that medication were dropping like flies.
00:10:43.000They would 100% make a correlation and they would make it publicly and it would be in the news.
00:10:48.000Of course, it might not actually be in the news today because this is part of the problem with what we're dealing with, with advertising and the media.
00:10:56.000Is that there's so much revenue that comes from pharmaceutical drug companies that there's just a reality about them reluctant to print or put any stores on television that are negative.
00:11:12.000There's too much money involved and it becomes impossible to override this narrative.
00:11:15.000The narrative takes on a reality of its own even though it is contradicted by the facts and our scientific tools, they're Tremendously powerful at discovering patterns like this.
00:11:28.000It's not difficult to do, and yet we deliberately avoid using them in the ways that they were intended.
00:11:34.000Do you think in the future we'll look back on this and there'll be some sort of a shift in the way we discuss it?
00:11:43.000You know, there's a lot of things in history that during the time where they were happening, I'm sure people were all...
00:11:50.000I'm sure people thought it was very important to root out these communists, but they didn't exactly understand, like, hey, you're calling a lot of people communists that aren't even communists.
00:11:57.000You're going after people that just went to meetings to find out what's going on.
00:12:00.000The world didn't exactly understand what that even meant back then.
00:12:07.000The Red Scare is like a negative thing.
00:12:11.000It's a dangerous sort of negative aspect of our history.
00:12:15.000Yeah, although, you know, I'm sure you're having the same experience where lots of stuff that you learned as a clear narrative, like, you know, the Red Scare took over people and it was like a witch hunt.
00:12:29.000And the answer is actually more nuanced than that.
00:12:31.000There was more truth to it than I was taught, right?
00:12:34.000The Rosenbergs really were guilty of passing secrets to the Russians.
00:12:52.000The answer kind of depends if there is a future.
00:12:57.000And I worry a lot that not only are we headed into chaos, but that we are going to be denied the ability to have a proper historical account of the present, that we're never going to understand what these stories were doing,
00:13:15.000why they played out the way they did, you know, why people disappeared when they did.
00:13:22.000You need to be able to create a record.
00:13:26.000It's never going to be perfect, but you need to be able to create a record of what took place that has been exposed to some kind of analytical standard so that you can correct your course.
00:13:37.000If you don't know what happened, you can't improve on your thought process going forward.
00:13:49.000And I'm glad you did point out the fact that there were really things – the Red Scare is a weird example because people would like to kind of dismiss the impact that communists, especially Russia, was having on our government.
00:15:08.000That was like, I literally had a giant shift in how I viewed the world after reading that book.
00:15:15.000Because before that, I was never a questioner of whatever was in the news or whatever the narrative was that we were being told about anything.
00:15:23.000Well, but, I mean, I have exactly the same reaction to that story, and I've been down that rabbit hole.
00:15:29.000And I think you're just ultimately left to the question.
00:15:34.000Something happened in 1963. That's before either of us were born, right?
00:15:42.000That thing was either an anomaly that robbed the nation of a president and the nation continued to be a democratic republic in the aftermath of it, or that was interference with democracy and we don't know how to look at all of the seemingly democratic things that have happened since.
00:16:02.000How much of what has happened since are the people Who took control with that assassination?
00:16:09.000How much is them continuing to maintain control with a certain amount of democracy?
00:16:14.000And how much was that an aberration that then returned us to our normal course?
00:16:21.000That's a good point, a certain amount of democracy.
00:17:32.000I think the multiverse thing is nonsense.
00:17:35.000I think it's an accounting scheme for figuring out how to deal with the fact that actually the universe is not deterministic, which people wrestle with because we don't exactly know why it isn't.
00:17:44.000But to your point about how much can they cheat, I call that factor, which none of us can put a number on.
00:17:57.000And one of the things that I'm trying to convince people of is that it's not hopeless because they can cheat, but it means that you have to succeed at a level that exceeds their capacity to erase it.
00:18:17.000And what we know, and I think actually we owe Trump a huge debt of gratitude for proving something that I couldn't have told you if it was true before he won the presidency, which is...
00:18:32.000Is there still enough democracy left in the system for something to upend the plan?
00:18:38.000Because he was clearly off-narrative, and he did become president, so he did something for us that I don't know anybody else who could have done it.
00:18:48.000Yeah, it would take a person with that kind of personality that could withstand that kind of abuse Because he didn't freak out at all when they went after him.
00:18:56.000He's like right just brushed it off like it was nothing and no one's done that He's also the only guy that's ever gone through four years and didn't age like he went through 30 years That's true.
00:19:32.000Yeah, Trump physically and actually, I think he sounds better.
00:19:37.000I think, you know, he drives me crazy sometimes when he talks, but I think he's getting better at it.
00:19:43.000I think he's trying to be a little bit more reasonable.
00:19:45.000And try to appeal to more people because of that effort to be more reasonable.
00:19:51.000He's changed his mind about a lot of things.
00:19:54.000He's talking about legalizing marijuana.
00:19:56.000He's talking about all these different things that are like where you're going to get a lot of different responses from like the hardcore republicans are not going to be for that.
00:20:08.000Any idea of abortion, the hardcore right wing are not interested at all.
00:20:14.000And any restrictions on abortion at all, you get your hardcore left wing.
00:20:18.000So mostly it's the people in the middle.
00:20:22.000Because most people are like, no one should be able to tell you what you could do with your body, but also aborting an eight-month-old fetus is kind of fucking insane.
00:20:32.000I mean, the funny thing, and I've been saying this forever, is that almost everybody agrees on the basics on abortion.
00:20:39.000We're supposed to not be able to even talk about it.
00:20:41.000But most people believe that abortion is negative, that if you've got a blastula, right, a clump of cells that doesn't yet have a nervous system, that you have the right to terminate that pregnancy.
00:20:56.000And that the farther you go through that pregnancy, the less right you have.
00:21:00.000And most people are incredibly queasy about it, I think, as they should be in the third trimester.
00:21:09.000And so it's really the extremists on both sides that we are up against.
00:21:15.000But to the question of what Trump is doing with an issue like this, I want to make a couple points.
00:21:22.000One, I think there are two issues that are getting tangled.
00:21:26.000One, I think he's politically going to some places that are not traditionally Republican, because I don't even think, I think he's destroyed the Republican Party.
00:21:37.000I just don't see the same Republican Party I remember at all.
00:21:40.000I see a different thing and it's flying.
00:21:45.000And that's a very different thing because I see MAGA as mostly the labor faction that was cut loose by the Democrats in the Clinton administration.
00:21:52.000And so they've now found a home under MAGA. Interesting.
00:22:31.000It is interesting, right, because we did growing up always associate unions and blue collar people with voting Democrat because Democrats were looking out for the middle class, looking out for people's best interests, supporting unions and fair wages and funding schools and all that kind of stuff.
00:26:10.000I mean, it's, on the one hand, completely predictable, right?
00:26:14.000Because there's obviously an authoritarian force there that just grinds its teeth at night over the Constitution and the fact that it prevents it from doing things that it just wants to do last week, you know?
00:26:26.000And so of course they're like scratching their heads like can we come up with an argument for why it might be time to get rid of that thing?
00:26:34.000And of course if you're a normal thinking person, this is complete insanity.
00:26:39.000But if you're a New York Times reader, I'm sure that fits with the kind of ethos that's been cultivated.
00:26:46.000Well, this is why a person like Trump is so important to them.
00:26:49.000Because if you don't have someone that is an imminent threat on the horizon in three months, it's very difficult to justify all this shit.
00:26:58.000So if you have Kamala Harris and she's competing against Ron DeSantis, if it's just Kamala Harris and Ron DeSantis and Trump doesn't exist, maybe he died.
00:28:27.000And as I've been saying since the beginning of this electoral cycle, they fear Bobby Kennedy far more than they fear Trump because actually Trump gives them the only argument for their existence that is functional, right?
00:28:40.000They don't have an affirmative argument for why they should be in power.
00:28:42.000But being the alternative to Trump is, you know, that's a pitch.
00:29:29.000There's a fun meme that someone made about how you're telling me that he's going to do these things that he didn't when he was in office and you're telling me that you're going to do these things that you didn't do and you're in office now.
00:30:54.000And very dangerous because you've set a precedent now.
00:30:57.000Now, let's imagine, like, we've gone through shifts in this country where we leaned heavily left, like during the Carter administration was run by...
00:31:04.000Serious lefty, you know, and then what if now it is run by a hardcore right-winger?
00:31:10.000What if there's some sort of an attack on American soil and it ramps up patriotism and people get real angry and right, you know, just like the left has moved so far left that if you're not in favor of hormone blockers for kids, somehow you're transphobic and you're a bigot.
00:31:28.000Like, somehow or another, if you're not in favor of that, you're a bigot.
00:31:31.000What if it gets so right That if you're not in favor of, you know, stops and frisks all over the country for everyone, then somehow or another you're anti-safety of the nation.
00:31:47.000And if you're not in favor of no-knock raids on people's homes with no warrants, that somehow or another you're a danger to our democracy.
00:31:55.000Like, it can go really creepy far right, just like it's really creepy far left, and then they're utilizing the courts If they fill the courts up with a bunch of hardcore Republicans, now you're utilizing the courts against people in a way that you would find very offensive because you've set a precedent.
00:32:14.000And I think actually we are already living this nightmare in one way because – What they did was loaded powers into the executive branch that were never supposed to be there.
00:32:25.000They created emperor-like discretion and they gave those powers to the president, I think believing that they would never be in the hands of anybody that wasn't on their team.
00:32:38.000I'm talking about inside versus outside.
00:32:41.000And one of the reasons that I think the reaction to Trump is what it was, is that he was taking over an office that had been given all of these exotic tools that he could in principle use against anybody.
00:32:53.000These are tools that are absolutely a violation of our Constitution, and yet they exist there.
00:32:58.000And so the need to prevent him from having access to those things was existential in their mind.
00:33:06.000And so anyway, the point is they created tools they never expected to be in the hands of someone else.
00:34:21.000And the idea that, you know, there's going to be two universes.
00:34:26.000You're going to double the universe because I just moved my glasses and we need one universe in which I didn't and one universe in which I did.
00:34:32.000And then each of those universes is going to proliferate out from each moment.
00:34:41.000This is just part of the process of discovery.
00:34:44.000If you imagine an infinite number of proliferating universes from each branching point, right, that accounts, that allows us to understand.
00:34:55.000We could describe it that way and it allows us to understand the universe as we observe it.
00:35:00.000Now the question is, what's really going on that allows that to take place without the proliferation of universes?
00:35:08.000It's the intermediate, it's the immature analytical point at which we have noticed that something is going on, we know we need to explain it, and we haven't yet stood in the right place to explain it in a way that's actually efficient.
00:35:21.000So what we're doing is we're explaining it in a way that if you typed it out, it's one tweet.
00:36:20.000You look at it, oh, like what's the most recent, the James Webb Telescope, the most recent advanced versions of it, they're talking about 22 billion plus years for the Big Bang.
00:36:29.000They're looking at that now because of the structure of some galaxies that shouldn't exist, shouldn't exist in the time period of which they would have to Be formed in a certain amount of years.
00:36:44.000It's very contentious, but there's some of these people studying the results that seem to believe it's quite possible that you might want to push that date back to whatever the Big Bang is.
00:37:22.000And so my feeling is anytime you've made the philosophical problem you had that we all admit is really, really difficult, infinitely worse, you probably made a wrong move.
00:37:40.000Just because we haven't solved the problem of this immense thing that's impossible to grasp, it doesn't mean it can't be way bigger than we even imagine in a concept that's impossible to grasp.
00:37:54.000And there's got to be some reason why so many people are entertaining this multiverse theory.
00:38:00.000It's not – well, that's just because we're descendants of chimp-like ancestors and we have limited tools to bring to bear to this sort of thing.
00:38:55.000Supernovas, they're so fucking bizarre.
00:38:58.000The fact that there's a giant black hole in the center of every galaxy that's one half of one percent of the mass of the galaxy, and it might be another universe inside of that thing.
00:39:07.000But see, I actually think that one, I mean, I was waiting for that discovery for my whole life.
00:39:12.000And when I finally heard it, it was like, okay, now I understand why you've got this huge swirling thing.
00:39:17.000You've got this giant gravitational mass in the center that you can't see.
00:39:22.000So that was like a simplifying discovery.
00:39:25.000Well, the existence of the black hole, but the concept of a black hole being essentially a portal into another universe where there's hundreds of billions of galaxies, each one with a black hole in the center of them.
00:39:35.000You go through each one of those, you have hundreds of billions of galaxies, each one with a black hole in the center of it, and you just keep doing that forever and ever and ever.
00:40:08.000So, am I cool with the idea that maybe there's an equilibrium, that, you know, a black hole where things, once they're pulled in over that threshold, they never emerge again, and that maybe they emerge somewhere else?
00:40:22.000Yeah, I could imagine parallel things that are entangled in this way.
00:40:27.000That does not sound inherently like an insane cheat to me because what we have is a mystery staring us in the face in every one of those ultra-massive black holes.
00:40:42.000What about a future in which we develop some sort of propulsion system and attach it to a drone that's not based on fuel, it's based on some sort of gravity thing, and it allows you to traverse immense distances very quickly.
00:40:59.000And then we could actually get that fucker way out there, take some video, and bring it back.
00:41:05.000Well, you're gonna void the warranty, I'm pretty sure.
00:41:33.000If I got a thousand years more advanced than we are, and we found out about some planet that's 2,000 light years away that actually is making nuclear bombs, fuck yeah, I'd visit.
00:41:44.000So of course they would visit, and of course they would want to protect us from the overwhelming shock to our culture that would undoubtedly be thrust upon us if we were confronted with a city-sized spaceship that's hovering over Detroit,
00:42:23.000And that life that attains a certain level of cognition will inevitably create technologies that break boundaries that it can't biologically break.
00:42:33.000So it'll traverse some distance across space.
00:42:39.000But the real question is, how many islands of life?
00:42:49.000It may not be traversable at all at those scales, or it may be much more traversable than we know, and then it doesn't take very many islands of life to have somebody visit us.
00:42:59.000But as to your last point, I actually, well, first of all, Everybody, every thinking person I know is...
00:43:42.000So I think actually we wouldn't be impressed enough because we've seen really impressive stuff on screens again and again and again.
00:43:50.000If you actually heard that this stuff was going on, if the ship showed up in the sky and you could see it with your binoculars, I think the question is, well, Are they friendly?
00:44:16.000Right, but to anyone in power, this would be a gigantic threat.
00:44:19.000To anyone trying to pass off some sort of narrative that this is the...
00:44:24.000that we're in the lead in terms of like the moral high ground of the world, and that we're, you know, we're the wisest, we're the best, we're gonna make decisions for everybody, that would throw a monkey wrench completely into the gears of that.
00:44:51.000I think if they are real and they do observe us, they probably observe us in a way where there's a limited amount of detection.
00:44:59.000And I think there's probably, if I was going to acclimate a culture to the idea that they're not alone, I would do it slowly.
00:45:09.000That way you could have the same ultimate effect eventually and maybe...
00:45:15.000Maybe help them along their evolution as well, along their cultural evolution to slowly introduce this concept that they're not alone and then do it over decades, which is exactly what's been happening.
00:45:27.000And the acceptance of it has changed from when I was a kid, you talk about UFOs, you're a fucking kook.
00:45:48.000But then over time, more people have seen enough things like Commander David Fravor, and more people have seen things that have no explanation whatsoever.
00:47:10.000There's no way anybody had anything in the 1950s that could shoot across the sky, soundless, make no noise, skip like flying saucers is the way they described it.
00:47:23.000I think there was nine of them together.
00:47:45.000I mean, you know what my stock and trade is and my feeling is I'm perfectly open to the possibility that there are alien intelligences in the universe.
00:47:55.000I'm perfectly open to the possibility that they would stop by.
00:48:00.000But I'm going to need something like evidence that isn't better explained by terrestrial bullshit because, frankly, the terrestrial bullshit is guaranteed.
00:48:12.000If they had some sort of a drone that used gravity and could zip across the sky like 10x light speed, they wouldn't tell you about it.
00:48:22.000Yeah, but I don't even think – look, I think the fact – and I think we may have talked about this before, but the fact that these things are doing stuff that's beyond any terrestrial craft that we know of and they're silent – That's because they're not craft.
00:48:40.000And so they're visually very compelling, but they do not disturb the atoms that they're passing through because they don't displace anything.
00:48:50.000So you think the radar, when they use radar and they find these things, what do you think that is?
00:48:57.000Oh man, I think that's people putting blips on other people's radar and it's not the only place in history that that shows up, right?
00:49:03.000So you could force a blip onto someone's radar?
00:49:11.000Well, these radars are all computerized.
00:49:14.000Well, let's talk about the David Fravor one, right?
00:49:16.000Because this is 2004, so it kind of limits our ability in terms of, you know, you have high technology, you have extremely powerful computers, you have a lot of stuff going on, but we certainly don't have what we have 20 years later, right?
00:50:10.000So you have three different ways of verifying that there is something there.
00:50:14.000You have the radar, you have video, you have eyewitness testimony, you have this thing flying to the cat point where they were initially supposed to, when they were doing their training mission, they were supposed to meet.
00:51:16.000But what I'm saying is, A, you have a huge amount of classified technology.
00:51:23.000Just imagine for a second how useful it would be to be able to convince your enemy that you had aircraft in its airspace, that they were able to exceed limits, whatever.
00:51:43.000So given that those programs are essentially certain to exist, do you think anybody's ever going to have the idea that actually, in this case, it would be useful if some unassailable authorities were to have undeniable experiences that suggest X,
00:52:01.000Y, or Z? Somebody's going to come up with that idea.
00:52:04.000So this would explain why these things are able to stay stationary in 120 knot winds because they're not affected by physical reality.
00:52:23.000Who will do stuff in front of you that, you know, you don't walk out of there thinking the laws of physics have been broken because you understand that magic is a genre where you walk in and you agree to suspend your disbelief enough to look through your eyes and register something as if it's violated a law of physics.
00:53:21.000Whether that has to do with an MKUltra intervention where somebody's been given drugs they don't know they've been given and they've been shown things that they are more open to because they were in a state in which they were induced openness.
00:53:39.000You've been brought into a state of openness.
00:53:43.000You accept it more than you think you have because you don't know that anybody tinkered with your wiring.
00:53:49.000I just am waiting to see a piece of evidence that really makes me go, huh, I don't think we could have done that.
00:53:56.000Have you seen any of Gary Nolan's stuff on the metallurgy, on the different samples they've collected from these supposed down crafts that defy all our understanding of how to create alloys and how expensive it would be to craft these things?
00:54:31.000See if you can find anything on Gary Nolan's samples.
00:54:36.000So Diana Posolko, who'd been on the podcast before, she had done some excavating of these areas where they purport that these things had crashed and they could still find pieces, which made me a little skeptical.
00:54:50.000As soon as I see you could still find them, you didn't pick them all up?
00:54:51.000Why wouldn't they send someone out there to pick everything up?
00:56:05.000Yeah, we have multiple— That's another thing that they're gaslighting people on, the idea that they would let people come over here so they would vote.
00:57:04.000I'm just saying we're looking at that thing as if we know that it's a fragment of metal and we're being told that it has properties that are unfamiliar.
00:57:13.000But what we have, the evidence you and I have, is pixels.
00:57:59.000Alleged extraterrestrial metal from the bottom of a wedge-shaped craft in the late 1940s made of 26...
00:58:05.000Alternating layers, 1 to 4 microns dark bismuth and 100 to 200 microns silver-magnesium-zinc alloy, each of six pieces received from U.S. Army source, were formed with a curvature that tapered.
00:58:57.000And yet, most of them make it from A to B. But these fucking UFOs, they're so smart, they can come here from other planets, and they just, boom.
00:59:06.000Well, maybe we're not on their map, and so they're like...
00:59:09.000Or maybe the only people that are the only intelligent life outside of this planet that's willing to do it, they're like Australian outback people.
00:59:17.000They're like those wild dudes who go overlanding.
00:59:22.000You know, Australia has a big overlanding culture where they build up these vehicles and they take them off into the bush and they live off of them.
01:01:09.000Time goes on and as technology improves and as sentient artificial intelligence becomes a better option for sending some intelligent robot to gather data, why would anybody go through space as a living creature?
01:01:47.000And the good reason to go to Mars is we're in jeopardy here.
01:01:54.000And I don't think Mars is in any way a long-term plan for survival of people.
01:02:03.000But there are processes unfolding here in our solar system that put us in jeopardy potentially here on Earth, and having just at least an outpost of people somewhere else would not be a bad hedge against that.
01:03:17.000Mars is probably a little closer to the sun at one point in time in the past.
01:03:21.000It turns out that our solar system is dynamic and dangerous in a way that we don't really know because our study has happened in a period of calm.
01:03:36.000And we're really looking at a very brief amount of time that we can measure in terms of our human experience.
01:03:42.000It's so brief in terms of what we know about what human beings have experienced, and then we have to go back to core samples.
01:03:48.000You have to go back to, oh, it appears that there was Earth-1, and Earth-1 was hit by another planet.
01:03:54.000That's how we get the moon, and then the moon.
01:04:20.000I mean, of course, there's an anthropic principle in play here as well, because the question is, are we here because we do have a moon to play the exact right role?
01:04:30.000You know, this planet has a lot going for it.
01:04:33.000And one way to think about that is, wow, that can't be, that's no accident, or no, we're here to talk about it because those accidents happen to line up here.
01:04:49.000But until it happens, and the variety of temperature changes over the course of the seasons is just too vast for what we understand as biological life to survive.
01:05:18.000No, you're exactly right that the number of things that have to stack up before you get to the point that you're pondering why you're here is...
01:06:02.000It's not productive until you get pretty deep into thinking about, you know, abstract things as a way of finding what you're not doing right.
01:06:13.000Well, we look outward and we look inward, which is really, like, next level, right?
01:06:16.000Like, we look at microscopes and go, what is going on here?
01:06:28.000And the healthier your ecosystem is, the healthier you are as an individual because you're not really an individual.
01:06:35.000So this is something Heather and I talk about frequently, is that we have more or less an epidemic of people who are maybe smart, but they don't know the difference between a complex system and a complicated one.
01:06:50.000And so they take their complicated system thinking into complex systems.
01:06:57.000So, for example, your computer or your phone, you know, it's beyond your comprehension or my comprehension, but it is well understood how it works.
01:07:06.000There's nothing mysterious about the outputs, right?
01:07:09.000It's a system that all of the functionality is well understood.
01:07:15.000But a biological creature isn't anything like this.
01:07:18.000And so when you intervene, you know, when they give you a drug, and they think they know what it's going to do, they're intervening in a system in which things are connected in ways that they've not yet discovered, and they can't anticipate the cascading effects.
01:07:35.000So, you know, we keep getting upended by the sense of like, You know, oh, this thing is wrong with you.
01:07:41.000Here's a biochemical intervention that will adjust one parameter and put you back into health.
01:08:46.000I think there is a massive disruption in all of the environments that we pass through in life that is causing a mismatch between what we are basically perpetual fishes out of water.
01:09:04.000And that process is making us unhealthy in every single regard.
01:09:09.000Heather and I call this hyper-novelty.
01:09:11.000And in fact, it's not even that we're just out of our environment in which we can be healthy, but the rate of change is so high that even to the extent that we are highly adaptable, we can't adapt fast enough to keep up.
01:09:28.000The flip side of this is if you did recognize exactly where you started that you are actually a system that is complex beyond even the sense that you're an organism.
01:09:39.000I mean, you're multiple organisms at multiple different levels.
01:09:43.000Every single cell And your body is being fueled by mitochondria that started out at a different place on the evolutionary tree and got taken inside of cells to become powerhouses.
01:10:28.000Now, our whole medical standpoint is fundamentally flawed.
01:10:35.000And I'm really hoping that we will take the lesson of COVID seriously and we will recognize, in my opinion, allopathic medicine, standard Western medicine, is living on the gains of a tiny number of subfields.
01:10:57.000The fact that a surgeon can put you back together after a car accident, that's something that we all know we want there for us if we need it, right?
01:11:08.000That surgeon's capacity to do that is, A, predicated on the ability of the body to repair itself, right?
01:11:16.000A surgeon can cut you open and go, you know, take out your spleen, but That surgeon is depending on the fact that your body knows how to heal the damage, right?
01:11:28.000You can't go up to a car and slice it open and pull out the alternator and put in another one and have the car heal.
01:11:37.000So anyway, there are a few things in medicine.
01:11:42.000That are transcendently awesome, like the ability of a surgeon to fix you and the ability of an emergency room physician to stabilize you where your body is spiraling out of control.
01:11:57.000But those things result in a sense of the godlike powers of medicine.
01:12:03.000And most of the time, medicine is in danger of hurting you.
01:12:06.000If it's not of the mindset that we should be minimizing intervention, we should be figuring out what the root cause of the pathology is.
01:12:14.000If we have to intervene, it should be a temporary intervention that pushes you back to the place where your body knows what to do, and then we should take our hands off, which is, of course, not profitable.
01:12:24.000The problem is we want you to be hooked on a medication because then we can prescribe that to everybody and then you have the Sackler family.
01:13:23.000And then they have this practice where they told people, this is what you should do.
01:13:28.000And then a bunch of people did it and They got all fucked up and now they're in a situation where it's not just that they got fucked up, but like how much time they have left?
01:13:37.000Like how many of these people are gonna drop dead over the next 5-10 years?
01:13:51.000There's this doctor on Twitter the other day who was talking about how it's very rare that he uses a D-dimer test on unvaccinated patients and finds blood clots, but he finds a ton of them on unvaccinated patients.
01:14:03.000And some of them are micro blood clots, some of them are significant, but they find quite a few.
01:14:09.000Yeah, there was a paper recently, I haven't delved deeply into it, but that just says, you know, that the spike protein, which is obviously produced by the shots, is interacting with fibrin, which is a clot producing protein.
01:14:21.000So it's not surprising that it's having these cascading effects.
01:14:24.000But, okay, so you had all these doctors who gave terrible advice to patients.
01:14:30.000They assured them not only that this was the right thing to do, but that it was safe, which they should have known better because it couldn't possibly have been.
01:14:37.000And there's no course taught in medical school about You know, repentance.
01:14:47.000How do these people repent for what they did so that they learn the lesson and it can't happen again?
01:14:53.000And the fact is the whole system is rigged around pharma and they can't.
01:14:58.000There's so many people out there that are still all in.
01:15:04.000I don't follow her, but she was talking about how disturbing it is to her that children are not being vaccinated and that COVID is killing kids and the reports that she has of child death.
01:16:21.000So there is a strong argument to be made that in a world where we are now being exposed to all of these RNA viruses, that acting quickly and taking those things is a reasonable thing to do.
01:16:33.000Now, hydroxychloroquine may have more toxicity than ivermectin.
01:16:37.000But ivermectin has such a low toxicity that from the point of view of not doing the damage to the body that comes from being sick with these pathological agents, simply being reflexive about taking the stuff quickly is sensible.
01:16:52.000And of course, if what I just said is correct, you would expect pharma to look anywhere but there because they can't patent the stuff.
01:17:12.000He admitted his doctor has him on ivermectin for long COVID. And he kept distinguishing the difference between long COVID and vaccine injuries.
01:17:19.000Like he said, had some sort of a vaccine injury.
01:17:21.000Then he was talking about how ivermectin is not good for COVID, but it's good for long COVID. I'm like, what is long COVID? Long COVID is not even a thing.
01:17:53.000It's not long COVID. So you're either taking ivermectin because your doctor said, like, what benefit would ivermectin have on long COVID? Like, what does that mean?
01:19:32.000You know, our understanding of how many medicines work.
01:19:34.000But isn't it bizarre when people that have been vaccinated not once but multiple times and had side effects from the vaccine that they'll report openly?
01:19:44.000We'll talk about it and say it's long COVID while they're still suffering.
01:19:48.000It's almost like they alleviate themselves from any of the responsibility of making a terrible choice.
01:19:53.000I think they're also being fed this story.
01:19:56.000And we've seen that in multiple places.
01:19:59.000So, for example, you remember these long debates about, well, okay, yes, the mRNA shots do cause a certain amount of myocarditis, but not nearly as much as COVID. And it goes away quick.
01:20:09.000That was the other thing they kept saying.
01:20:13.000And it turns out now that the myocarditis appears to have been vaccine-induced myocarditis that was being just like everything else happened with COVID. It was a, I don't want to say an accounting error.
01:20:40.000Yeah, well, what you do is you get high troponin levels, right?
01:20:44.000And Asim Mahaltra, he explained all this, is that when you test for that, you can assume if a person is suffering from a viral infection, that they will have high troponin levels, but it doesn't mean they have myocarditis.
01:21:58.000You may remember from high school chemistry that like dissolves like, so fats dissolve other fats.
01:22:04.000So you've got this thing encased in fat.
01:22:07.000Any cell it encounters is covered in fat.
01:22:09.000So it gets taken up by cells haphazardly around the body.
01:22:13.000Those cells take the message, the mRNA transcript, into the cytoplasm.
01:22:18.000They translate it into protein, and that protein gets exported to the surface of the cell.
01:22:25.000This is how the manufacturer wants it to work.
01:22:27.000Now, if it happened in your arm, okay.
01:22:30.000But if it happens in your heart, Well, anywhere it happens, it will trigger your immune system to spot this antigen that it doesn't recognize, and T cells will come in and kill the cells that are making this foreign protein,
01:22:46.000because in natural circumstances, anytime a cell makes a foreign protein, It has the signature of a virally infected cell.
01:22:54.000A cell is producing self-antigens and foreign antigens.
01:23:31.000If you're an athlete and you've got a wound in your heart that you don't know about, you could easily die because you have a weakened wall in the chambers of your heart and something breaches at the point that your blood pressure is high in the middle of some activity.
01:23:47.000So my point is when we say myocarditis, We are effectively accepting a placeholder for, there's an underlying pathology that we haven't found, and that pathology can be damage to the heart,
01:24:04.000It compromises your lifetime capacity for your heart to function, and in the short term it creates a substantial vulnerability to cardiac incidents.
01:24:19.000And so, these injections, which were supposed to stay local, is it because that they didn't aspirate that they get into blood vessels?
01:24:28.000Like, what is the reason why it gets through the entire system?
01:24:31.000Well, the aspiration issue, I believe, is a contributor, but I don't think it is the determinant.
01:24:40.000So, in the case that, just to explain what you're getting at, when you inject somebody, pulling back on the plunger in the syringe allows you to see whether or not you have accidentally landed inside a vein.
01:24:55.000If you pull back and you see blood, the tip of the needle is at least partially in a vein.
01:24:59.000And if you inject there, it doesn't go into the spaces between the cells in your muscle.
01:25:08.000If you plunge the needle in, you pull back on the plunger and you see blood, then you should plunge in further so that you're no longer in that blood vessel.
01:25:19.000In fact, people were specifically told not to do it, and the rationale was they did not want to create vaccine hesitancy by leaving the needle in the arm any longer than necessary.
01:25:31.000So they did end up doing a certain percentage of intravenous, accidental intravenous injections.
01:25:38.000And that means that a globule of this stuff went immediately into the circulation, which meant that if it went to your heart and got picked up there, it might not just be a small number of cells, it might be a large number of cells.
01:25:51.000So that was a completely unnecessary level of harm.
01:25:57.000Aspirating the needle was the right thing to do, and they should have done it, and they didn't.
01:26:00.000And who knows how many people have died because they got a big dose intravenously where it was supposed to be intramuscular.
01:26:06.000And that seems so straightforward that I can't imagine that they were showing people doing it any other way on television.
01:28:35.000I think it makes sense to establish a policy that I will not accept any medical product for which the manufacturer is not liable if it goes wrong.
01:29:37.000So if they know that it's their job as a CEO to push that shit through.
01:29:43.000Why do you have all those connections and all those relationships if you don't utilize them to help our company?
01:29:47.000Isn't that why you get a fucking gigantic salary every year as the CEO of a pharmaceutical drug company?
01:29:54.000And don't you understand, the relationship that we have with the FDA and the CDC has been, we have cultivated this relationship forever, so we have a revolving door to make it nice and easy.
01:30:04.000So the people that are in charge of regulation, they get a nice sweet job.
01:30:13.000Well, the fact is, if you understand how the market is supposed to do its magic, this doesn't work even in principle.
01:30:22.000Just simple evolutionary dynamics guarantee that corporations that are not responsible for the harm that they do will start making a profit by doing harm.
01:30:33.000They will be out-competed by other corporations who do if they don't.
01:30:38.000So it is guaranteed that they will move in that direction, which is why I say you shouldn't take any product produced by an entity that is not liable for the harm that it does to you.
01:31:12.000That little fact that you just mentioned, that in fact they were granted immunity from liability because they said it was impossible to make safe vaccines.
01:31:20.000Yeah, explain when this happened and how it happened to people so they understand that this is an issue that came up because of problems from vaccines.
01:31:29.000Yeah, I believe it happened in the Reagan administration that they were reluctant to make vaccines.
01:31:37.000The Reagan administration wanted them to ratchet up production and they said, we can't.
01:32:13.000And people who are kind people, who are intelligent people, would never imagine there are human beings that are willing to profit off of injecting babies with things that may very well fuck them up for the rest of their life.
01:33:09.000Heather and I wrote into our book in 2020 that vaccines were one of the three greatest medical inventions in history.
01:33:19.000You know, the other two being surgery and antibiotics.
01:33:21.000And I still believe that in principle, there is something potentially very medically valuable there.
01:33:29.000But in practice, The way we produce these things, the way we manufacture them, the way the technology on which they are based has been modified, right?
01:33:40.000The idea that we're going to produce a vaccine that is adjuvant-based and we're not going to tell you that we're going to hyperactivate your immune system to get a weak shot to function and that that means that you're going to be in danger of creating a sensitivity to anything you encounter or eat during that period.
01:34:03.000I mean, again, in 2020, I was an enthusiast for this technology.
01:34:12.000Now I'm an enthusiast for what it says in the textbook about what this might be able to do, but I'm terrified of how it's actually being deployed.
01:34:21.000And I also now recognize, I believe I have a vaccine injury, my allergy to wheat The only way it adds up is probably a flu shot caused me to become hypersensitive to something that was exposed to my immune system.
01:34:38.000Of course, wheat's in everything, so, you know, it's ever-present.
01:34:42.000My children, my older son has an allergy to dairy.
01:34:50.000Frankly, I don't know what percentage, you know, I have a friend who has an allergy, profound allergy to mold that's driven her from two homes, right?
01:35:01.000But wait a minute, because isn't, allergies have always existed, and they existed before even vaccines.
01:35:28.000Maybe there's been an increase in the amount.
01:35:30.000But the degree to which many of these pathologies, including autism, frankly, turns out to be something that erupts out of nowhere, suggesting a novel environmental cause of some kind, right, is profound.
01:35:43.000And mostly we don't know that because we don't Do the legwork to go back and look at, well, where does this first show up?
01:35:58.000So we have a pattern that we in the public are not aware of.
01:36:02.000Pathologies that are widespread that showed up out of nowhere, you know, like obesity.
01:36:09.000And that suggests an environmental cause.
01:36:12.000We should become fascinated by what that cause might be because people are being, every new generation has people being maimed by these pathologies.
01:36:21.000And if you can discover what the pathology is and you can eliminate the factor, you know, how much misery do you erase?
01:36:27.000How much Economic growth do you create, right?
01:36:30.000These are powerful ways in which we could improve our well-being.
01:36:34.000And we just simply don't do it because all of us carry the vague notion that these things are long-standing.
01:36:52.000And so anytime you see that pattern where it's like, yes, wild animals don't have that pathology, but domestic animals and people do, that's telling you something.
01:37:29.000I will tell you, I read a jaw-dropping book.
01:37:35.000I keep having this experience, where there are various stories that we all carry around that tell us something about the world we're living in and what to be afraid of.
01:38:01.000It turns out that story isn't what we all think it is.
01:38:06.000There are two things about that story which are not commonly known.
01:38:09.000One is there was a enthusiasm for prescribing aspirin for people who came in with flu symptoms and they were prescribed aspirin in doses that are now known to be deadly.
01:38:24.000So a lot of people drowned basically their lungs filled with liquid because they were overdosed on aspirin.
01:39:28.000It causes slight gut pathology, goes away of its own accord.
01:39:33.000What appears to have happened that caused polio to be a terrifying, debilitating disease is metal toxicity, right?
01:39:45.000So polio turns out has some weird quirks, right?
01:39:49.000It affects the nerves in the front of the spinal cord, but not the back of the spinal cord, and it affects children and not adults.
01:39:59.000And the argument that is made in the moth and the iron lung, I think quite compellingly, is that what's happening is the metals are causing that bacterium or the virus to leak out of the gut and it can grow in neurological tissues.
01:40:19.000And in a child, the gut is sitting right in front of the spinal cord.
01:40:23.000And so it is affecting the motor neurons but not the sensory neurons which are on the back because of the physical proximity of the gut to the spinal cord.
01:40:31.000And that as you grow, those things separate and so the susceptibility disappears.
01:40:37.000But it's the metal toxicity that is taking a...
01:40:41.000Non-serious pathogen and causing it to be serious, which makes for a very confusing story because you actually do have a pathogen and you can actually prevent the pathogen with a vaccine, but the root cause is the metal toxicity that is causing things to leak out of the gut and touch the spinal cord.
01:40:59.000I had read this thing that was connecting DDT as well.
01:41:05.000Lots of cases of it in rural areas where people sprayed.
01:41:09.000Well, actually, that's what the book, The Moth and the Iron Lung, amazingly tracks the history of this, where in fact you had a...
01:41:20.000You had a problem where the silk moths were not robust to predation.
01:41:31.000And so entomologists were looking for something to hybridize the silk moths with that would be resistant to things like jays eating them as caterpillars.
01:41:42.000And this one entomologist had gypsy moths from Europe in his possession that he was trying to breed with silk moths, an experiment that was doomed to failure.
01:41:54.000But nonetheless, one day he had them...
01:41:57.000Sitting on his kitchen window and a wind blew and blew them into his garden.
01:42:03.000And he knew he tried to recover them and he couldn't find them all.
01:43:22.000It's a very strange set of interactions.
01:43:25.000But once you start digging into these stories and you realize that all of them are, you know, we've been told some fairy tale that leads us to a conclusion that just isn't right.
01:43:33.000Then you have to start rethinking things.
01:43:35.000But of course, as you discover these things, people decide you're a crank.
01:43:39.000But have you seen in New York City, they're spraying pesticide in the sky to kill the mosquitoes that might be carrying the West Nile virus?
01:43:48.000They're going after West Nile virus in New York.
01:46:29.000The mRNA shots, for anybody who got two or more, triggered the production of something called IgG4, which I don't know if we've talked about it before, but IgG4 is the immune system's own message to itself to turn itself down.
01:46:48.000I don't know whether anybody expected this result, but when it was pursued, that was just the number at which we could detect the presence of IGG-4.
01:47:44.000So something's going on that people are much more susceptible.
01:47:48.000And it just so happens that we've watched a pattern where people have been multiply injected with something that we know turns their immune system down.
01:47:57.000Why are we not asking the question if the reason that we may have a problem with West Nile virus and Eastern equine encephalitis is the result of a self-inflicted wound?
01:48:28.000I'm agnostic as to whether or not the dude took any shots.
01:48:33.000I don't know what's going on because there's so much garbage surrounding that guy and what he thinks and what he did that I just can't accept any of it at face value.
01:49:06.000If you read up on it, it turns out the average year, there are seven diagnosed cases of this.
01:49:13.000So, it's not like this is a disease that never shows up and suddenly there's one case and people are freaking out.
01:49:21.000There's apparently an annual rate of this.
01:49:24.000We have an annual rate that even if it's more, this does not suggest the possibility of a massive And if it did, we're still giving people a shot that causes their immune systems to turn down.
01:49:40.000So can we at least stop doing that before we start panicking over new diseases?
01:49:44.000Because it sure looks like we are creating vulnerability to new diseases over here, recommending mRNA shots that people don't need.
01:49:51.000And then we are, you know, having lockdowns.
01:49:56.000We're also recommending it to people that already have natural immunity, which is the most bizarre thing.
01:50:46.000I mean, it's alarming for multiple reasons.
01:50:51.000I was really unsure what to think about this when it first occurred to me.
01:50:56.000But the more I think about it, the more alarmed I am.
01:51:04.000COVID, SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID, appears to have emerged from laboratory work that was dual use.
01:51:15.000Dual use work means bioweapons research.
01:51:20.000The excuse, so it's called dual use because you're only allowed to do bioweapons research if it's also research that might contribute to public health.
01:51:31.000So the excuse is, oh, we're working, you know, what do they tell us?
01:51:34.000They said, well, the gain-of-function research is so that we can create pathogens and learn what to do about them before they find themselves out of nature and we don't know what to do, right?
01:51:53.000It is not coherent to think that by creating some pathogen in a laboratory that you're going to learn something about pathogens that might leap out of nature.
01:52:02.000For one thing, pathogens leaping out of nature is a difficult thing for them to do.
01:52:06.000They have to do two tricks and it's not easy.
01:52:24.000And then, if you've created a pathogen of your own, you're going to learn about what to do about that pathogen, but it's not broadly applicable.
01:52:32.000And you can see, we had research on coronaviruses being done in the Wuhan Institute, being done in North Carolina.
01:52:46.000Because it's inconceivable that you would.
01:52:48.000So they're using the excuse of public health to do this weapons research.
01:52:52.000But here's the punchline of the story.
01:52:57.000The vaccines are also the product of bioweapons research because they include the spike protein, which was the innovation that made the ancestor of SARS-CoV-2 into an infectious human pathogen, right?
01:53:12.000The addition of a fern cleavage site to spike protein made this thing capable of infecting and spreading between humans.
01:53:21.000That spike protein was the core of the mRNA shots.
01:53:25.000Get two or more of those shots, now you create IgG4, and the more of the shots you have, the more you produce.
01:53:34.000But was there any literature that indicated that this was going to have this effect before they rolled out the vaccines, or was this just an unfortunate byproduct?
01:53:45.000I am not aware of that literature, but notice the following problem.
01:53:52.000That IgG4 signal to turn down the immune system is now connected to the presence of spike protein.
01:54:02.000At a bioengineering level, it is trivial to add spike protein to something else.
01:54:11.000Bioweapons researchers have a problem.
01:54:14.000If you create, first of all, they have two problems.
01:54:17.000One of them is there aren't that many weaponizable human pathogens, right?
01:54:21.000So they're sort of bored with the fact that they've got a small number of these things and they've played around with them and, you know, they're not happy.
01:54:29.000So there's also a vast number in nature that you could in principle weaponize, but most of them can infect a human.
01:54:35.000So they engage in this, you know, hocus pocus stuff where they take stuff that doesn't infect a human and they turn it into something that infects a human.
01:54:43.000And of course, the risk that it will escape is very, very large and the risk that we will learn anything useful is very, very small.
01:54:49.000But nonetheless, they play this game and...
01:54:55.000If they create something that is a frightening weapon that could in principle in their warped minds be used for something useful.
01:55:03.000The question is, how can you deliver a biological weapon that harms your enemies without harming your population?
01:55:10.000You have to separate those two populations in some way.
01:55:14.000The obvious way to do it is to inoculate your population so that they have an immunity.
01:55:19.000The enemy population doesn't have an immunity, right?
01:55:31.000That's where the IGG4 thing really throws me.
01:55:34.000Because what they seem to have In the best case, accidentally done is created a vulnerability in the populations that took the mRNA shots that does not exist in populations that didn't.
01:55:49.000And any time a pathogen shows up with spike, it is likely to trigger the immune system to stand down.
01:56:26.000No, Novavax is another new technology.
01:56:29.000I don't know very much about it, but the Sinovax is what the Chinese used, and it was a much more standard, apparently not very effective shot.
01:56:53.000But it does appear to be something that they have created.
01:56:56.000And the fact that weapons makers seem to have created this with their diabolical research ought to give us pause.
01:57:03.000So if weapons manufacturers were involved in the creation of a virus, What, especially a virus like a respiratory virus that could go across the entire population of the planet and did, what would be the use of something that only kills old people and overweight people?
01:57:25.000Well, I'm not saying that it was a bioweapon.
01:57:28.000You're saying it's bioweapons research that created this virus, but not that the virus was actually a bioweapon.
01:57:34.000Well, look, I do not know how crazy these people are, and I don't really know who they work for, right?
01:57:41.000It is obvious that something beyond what most of us would imagine is true, because somehow our dual-use researchers were collaborating with Chinese military-associated researchers.
01:58:04.000But the head of the Wuhan Institute laboratory in question, Zhe Zhengli, was trained by Ralph Baric, right?
01:58:15.000So this is a partnership on dual-use research.
01:58:20.000That doesn't seem to make any sense given what we all think we understand about where the tensions are, who are the allies and who are the antagonists on the world stage.
01:58:29.000And also the fact that this funding was stopped in 2014 by the Obama administration but then Fauci restarted it under the Trump administration and there's no There's no specified goal in terms of like what's the positive benefit for society if this research is done.
01:58:53.000There's a huge possibility that it leaks and it's incredibly detrimental, which it did.
01:58:59.000But there's also, even though they were working on this stuff for so long, there was no cure.
01:59:06.000For COVID? For the thing that they created.
01:59:10.000So if you're going to create something that could potentially damage the human race so you're worried about what would happen if there really was a natural spillover and this thing really did come through a pangolin or whatever the fuck it did and then got into people,
01:59:25.000we need to figure out a way to save people.
02:00:03.000This stuff works generally across RNA viruses.
02:00:06.000It would have rendered COVID, you know, tragic in the sense that we don't need another human pathogen circulating, but totally manageable in almost everybody's case.
02:00:17.000And the way you would use ivermectin is upon initial infection, it's very quickly, you give it to people?
02:00:32.000Well, the amazing thing is even in the studies that claimed that they proved it didn't work, It does work.
02:00:39.000If you look at the data they collected, it reflects that it works, even though these experiments were set up to fail.
02:00:46.000They dosed late, they underdosed, they were done in places where the control group was likely to have ivermectin circulating at a fairly high rate.
02:00:54.000So there's all sorts of tricks that were used, but even in those cases, it still worked.
02:01:10.000So low harm that treating immediately is the way to go because, you know, the difference in its efficacy between day one and day two and day two and day three, those jumps are substantial.
02:01:24.000So there's no reason not to give it immediately.
02:02:31.000The problem, we're stuck in the same place we always are, which is if we just simply navigate this logically, we end up in some pretty dark places with respect to what they might have been up to.
02:02:42.000Why were the weapons makers lying about the utility of drugs that rendered this novel pathogen minor?
02:02:51.000Well, don't you think the most obvious answer would be there was a pathway to extreme wealth?
02:02:59.000If you're going to have a vaccine that is paid for by the government, that not only the government profits off of, right?
02:03:21.000They distributed them all over the world, insane amount of profit, and then forced people to take them and then ignored all evidence that there was other medications, in fact, demonized those medications publicly, like what they did on CNN. That's the demon showing its eyes,
02:03:39.000what they did on CNN and all those networks when they were talking and calling it horse dewormer, despite the fact that it won the Nobel Prize for use in humans.
02:03:47.000All that stuff, the most obvious answer would be profit, because you look at the amount of money that was generated.
02:04:02.000How much money do you think was generated by Pfizer and Moderna between 2021 and 2023, which is like the peak years where people are taking it?
02:04:13.000It's kind of tough to talk people into taking it now, but there's a bunch of believers, and I follow a few of them on Twitter, that are all in.
02:05:16.000But you don't think that's enough money for them, first of all?
02:05:19.000I don't think it's what they were targeting.
02:05:20.000You have this wonderful thing called the emergency use exemption, right?
02:05:23.000And the only way to allow people to get away with the emergency use exemption is you have to have some sort of proof that nothing else works.
02:05:48.000I've come to believe that it's actually not that.
02:05:51.000That their ability to cheat in the American system, at least, is so great that that obstacle would not have prevented them from deploying their shots.
02:06:03.000Let's pause real quick because I have to pee.
02:06:06.000And we'll come back right into that because I want to know the whole thing and I can't be thinking what happened.
02:06:27.000Having a viable preventative for SARS-CoV-2 in theory should have prevented an EUA, but I don't think that that was an obstacle they couldn't have overcome.
02:06:39.000I think the problem was their real goal was to normalize the use of a gene therapy on a population that had never had that idea placed in its mind.
02:07:35.000One, it would have meant that the degree to which the mRNA platform got normalized would have been much reduced, and it also would have created a massive control group, people who didn't take the shots, which would make the harms that much less obvious.
02:07:51.000So I suspect the reason I say that $100 billion isn't a lot of money, when it obviously is a lot of money, is that it's not a lot of money compared to what was at stake in their minds, which is the mRNA platform, which can be used to reformulate every vaccine they've got to create a bunch of new vaccines.
02:08:11.000We're talking about a Trillion dollar invention that could not be brought to market normally because it's way too dangerous.
02:08:21.000And the emergency made it possible not only to bring it to market, but to get everybody or nearly everybody on board with it.
02:08:30.000And I don't know how deep this rabbit hole goes.
02:08:32.000I do think there is something remarkable about the early days of the so-called pandemic, where Doctors were primed for the horror of this disease so that they were already in the mindset of radical interventions,
02:08:52.000which meant that they did a lot of harm with things like ventilators that didn't need to be done.
02:08:59.000They killed a lot of people because they thought they were rescuing them.
02:09:08.000It more or less explains it, but it obscures the bigger picture, which is that the mRNA platform itself is the ultimate cash cow that couldn't be brought to market under anything but the most extraordinary emergency circumstances.
02:09:22.000And so they took a virus that shouldn't have existed in humans at all and wasn't that terrifying.
02:09:28.000When it was released into the population and they turned it into something frightening enough that people would contemplate things that they ordinarily would have rejected.
02:09:39.000But doesn't that also make sense that the emergency use authorization would have to be in place in order for them to implement this?
02:09:49.000Because you're always going to, like you said, the lack of a control, right?
02:09:52.000If everybody gets vaccinated, you don't know what the hell happened.
02:09:54.000You blame it on COVID, which is why people who have been hit with the shots say they have long COVID. But if you have no emergency use authorization, And then people are allowed to make their own decisions and doctors are allowed to make their own decisions.
02:10:09.000It's way easier to do it with this emergency use authorization.
02:10:15.000And the only way you could stop that is if all of a sudden – so emergency use authorization is supposed to only exist if there's not – Some sort of a medication that currently exists that treats it, right?
02:10:27.000Otherwise, you're going to have to go through all the trials if there's another medication that exists.
02:10:30.000So you demonize the medications, you sneak it through, you make everybody take it, therefore you lose the control, and now you've got this platform rolled out.
02:10:38.000Do you think that they didn't know to the extent of the damage that it was going to cause?
02:11:19.000And we know that because of the shenanigans around, they ultimately did get a shot that they said was the same, not emergency use authorized, but I'm now forgetting the term when the FDA actually, there's another term,
02:11:35.000it's not authorized, but it's a synonym.
02:11:37.000But anyway, they did get one approved, and you couldn't get it.
02:11:41.000They kept giving the one that had the EUA. They did that for legal reasons.
02:11:47.000It gave them a layer of immunity, right?
02:11:49.000They had been given the license to deliver an experimental drug And then they got approval for a non-experimental drug and they kept giving the experimental one even though they said they were the same thing.
02:12:03.000There's something very deep there around the legal status of that emergency use authorized pharmaceutical.
02:12:13.000Do you think that the blowback from all of this and the amount of people that are reporting vaccine injuries and the amount of discussion that's happening, especially online, about these things makes it more difficult for them to roll out that platform for other things?
02:12:55.000We now have a novel pathogen that presumably...
02:12:59.000These kids are going to be faced with encounters repeatedly for the rest of their lives, and you want to mess with their immunity six months into life?
02:13:09.000You have no idea whether you are making it impossible for them to develop some proper immunity so they can fend this thing off for all of the encounters for the rest of their life, right?
02:13:19.000You're like creating a consumer at the expense of a child.
02:13:26.000And I will tell you, I've just found out that there is sort of a next chapter on this mRNA stuff, which I don't know if you've paid any attention.
02:13:38.000Have you noticed what's going on in Japan?
02:14:05.000And so notice that the whole mRNA platform was really about doing away with the vaccine factory by turning you into a vaccine factory, right?
02:14:19.000Your cells became the vaccine factory.
02:14:21.000And there are reasons that a pharmaceutical company, especially an amoral one, would prefer that.
02:14:28.000So remember, one of the things that was done to make the...
02:14:53.000But the more of them you have, the more stable the molecule is.
02:14:56.000So when they told us the mRNA molecules were short-lived, we didn't have to worry about this shot because the mRNAs weren't going to last very long in our bodies, right?
02:15:07.000They had hyperstabilized these things.
02:15:09.000They've now given a Nobel Prize for the hyperstabilization process.
02:15:14.000They wanted to give a prize for the vaccines, and so they gave it for this narrow thing.
02:15:19.000I would argue maybe it's the worst design flaw in the entire thing, and that's saying something because there's a substantial number of design flaws.
02:15:26.000But these self-replicating mRNAs, the competing platform, borrows some machinery from something called an alpha virus.
02:15:37.000And that alpha virus, basically they take the genome of an alpha virus and they include the gene for the antigen that they want your body to develop an immunity to.
02:15:52.000But they include it along with some genes for proteins that allow the RNA to Basically copy itself, right?
02:16:04.000So now, instead of taking a molecule of mRNA and putting it in lipid nanoparticle and making it hyper-stable so it keeps making new messages, what they're going to do is they're going to allow the mRNA to duplicate itself biologically inside of you, right?
02:16:49.000So this is If these people did not understand the damage that they were going to do, it would have given them pause.
02:16:58.000They would have looked at all of the harm, all of the people who died who didn't need to, all of the people suffering from, you know, compromised immunity, and they would have thought, holy shit, what did we miss?
02:18:15.000When you have a pathology that's widespread enough for a company to make a medication to do something about it, you are dealing with a failure of the environment in which the creature lives.
02:18:40.000A lot of us spent our lives not noticing that seed oils weren't what they appeared to be and that they actually have a role to play in the creation of disease.
02:20:40.000That's something that doctors I respect have pointed out that this is about what you're consuming.
02:20:46.000It's about the environment that you live in.
02:20:48.000It's about understanding that sunlight is an important contributor to health and that the way we live means that you're probably deficient in vitamin D. It's about all of those things.
02:20:57.000And the amount of good that could be done just by simply recognizing the environmental component is huge.
02:21:11.000That was what was hilarious to me during the pandemic was people that were clearly not physically healthy saying that the only way that you could be healthy was to take this medication.
02:21:53.000I mean, just the contradictory statements over the years and his stance on vaccines when Trump was president, his stance on the mRNA platform when Trump was president versus the immediate 180 that he took when Biden took in office.
02:22:08.000I hate to say this, but he's either a cold-hearted liar or...
02:22:19.000The most profoundly unself-aware person that has ever existed.
02:22:37.000If you're a part of a system and it's really important that you support all the people above you in this system and that you all work together and you're a good company man...
02:23:43.000Imagine if right away they said, you know what, this is not nearly as bad as we thought it was going to be.
02:23:47.000The way Bill Gates talks about it now, right?
02:23:50.000It actually mostly affected older people and people who were very vulnerable.
02:23:54.000Those are the people that really affected it.
02:23:57.000The amount of profit they would have made would have been significantly less, and the enthusiasm for the platform would have been significantly less.
02:24:32.000That's the game every day of the week for these people.
02:24:34.000And they found the ultimate version of that game in the mRNA platform.
02:24:40.000Which they wanted to normalize and they needed an emergency to do it.
02:24:56.000But it's also, the weird thing was, especially now because of Zuckerberg's recent statement, we now know for sure that what he was saying was that they were pressuring them to remove COVID-19 information that turned out to be true.
02:25:16.000So the government was involved in this whole thing because the government was probably being pressured by the pharmaceutical drug companies.
02:25:26.000Yes, and even those distinctions, I think, are quaint.
02:25:30.000We are now watching the fusion of corporate power and governmental power.
02:26:13.000It's clearly targeting the civil liberties that make the West possible.
02:26:18.000And we're going to have to level up quickly if we are actually going to survive this.
02:26:27.000So what's worst case scenario in your mind?
02:26:30.000With all the competing factors that are happening right now, what's worst case scenario?
02:26:36.000Well, let's leave this terrestrial, okay?
02:26:40.000There are some space weather stuff I'm pretty concerned about that we really need to have our governmental shit in order to deal with.
02:26:47.000But I'm concerned that we are facing The last opportunity to wield the power that remains in our Constitution in order to preserve the West.
02:27:06.000I really believe the West is at stake in this election, and I know that everybody will laugh and they will say, ah, everybody always says this is the last opportunity, this time it's really dire, but I truly believe the Republic is in Serious jeopardy.
02:27:25.000I believe that however it happened, the Blue Team has become hostile to all of the fundamental values that allow the Republic to function, And that undergird the West.
02:27:41.000And when I say the West, I'm not talking about a set of countries.
02:27:44.000I'm not talking about a geographic description.
02:27:46.000I'm talking about an agreement not to rig the world in favor of your people.
02:27:53.000An agreement On a level playing field in which people are rewarded for creating wealth from which we all benefit.
02:28:01.000That system is incredibly dynamic and powerful.
02:28:07.000It increases human well-being at a rate that no other competing system has ever come close to.
02:28:26.000The reason that our founding documents have the strange form that they do, the reason that the founders of the US carved out all of these counterintuitive rights are that in order to stabilize that system, you needed to have an industrial strength document that prevented all sorts of threats from getting anywhere near the core of that system.
02:28:49.000So I think the worst case scenario is the next election, November, we don't beat the cheat margin.
02:29:02.000The blue team remains in power and it dismantles the remaining protections of our civil liberties and the basis of our freedom.
02:29:16.000And what would be the way they would go about doing that?
02:30:17.000Because our First Amendment is spelled out in very clear terms and it's difficult to get around it.
02:30:25.000And You know, you and I lived through an era of terrible censorship, but it had to be cryptic.
02:30:35.000Here, you showed the New York Times, was it?
02:30:39.000Experimenting with how to phrase the argument for unhooking the Constitution so that people would get used to the idea that that was being done for them.
02:31:03.000The founders of the US enshrined counterintuitive rights.
02:31:10.000These were brilliant men and they enshrined counterintuitive rights because they understood a thing or two about tyranny because they had faced it.
02:31:20.000They knew that There was no way to eliminate bad speech without eliminating necessary speech.
02:32:10.000It's even frightening to raise this point.
02:32:14.000That First Amendment is where it is for a reason.
02:32:16.000It's the fundamental right to all of these.
02:32:21.000They placed the Second Amendment in the backup position.
02:32:26.000So what I'm telling you is I am concerned that we are You can hear our civil liberties creaking.
02:32:36.000You can hear that document threatening to give way.
02:32:40.000You can hear the enemies of it experimenting with explaining what they're doing and why they're really the ones who are looking out for your best interests.
02:32:50.000All of these maniacs are going to make violence inevitable.
02:34:11.000There are transcendent moments in culture.
02:34:15.000There are moments at which something shifts.
02:34:20.000Woodstock was a music festival, but it was obviously more than a music festival.
02:34:24.000It was a defining moment for a generation.
02:34:27.000I think there's a lot that's unfortunate about what that generation has done.
02:34:31.000And in fact, I believe they've put us in the jeopardy that we're in now.
02:34:34.000And that in some ways, what we're struggling to do is get past their The event that we are holding on the Capitol Mall on September 29th is really an attempt to bookend that era, to end it, and to start a new era in which,
02:34:52.000as Bobby Kennedy said, we love our children more than we hate each other.
02:34:58.000And that allows us to come together and recognize each other as allies to fend off this force that is obviously targeting our civil liberties, our freedom, the very foundations of our system.
02:35:10.000So what we've done is we've outlined eight pillars.
02:35:15.000There are things which I think almost every member of Your audience, really any patriot, anybody who understands the value of the West would resonate with.
02:35:48.000If you want to prevent the other side from being able to cheat its way to victory, there needs to be a massive showing of support for this unity coalition that is emerging.
02:36:00.000This unity coalition is not MAGA. It contains MAGA. MAGA is part of that coalition.
02:36:08.000We saw that begin to happen where President Trump brought on Bobby Kennedy when Bobby Kennedy stepped out of the race, right?
02:36:16.000That was the moment at which the idea of unity began to catalyze.
02:36:21.000And the question is, all right, well, how many of us are there?
02:36:24.000So, gathering on the Capitol Mall is going to allow us to show just how many of us there are and how serious we are about restoring the Republic and returning to the foundational principles.
02:36:38.000How many FBI agents think are going to show up?
02:36:41.000Well, you should be able to recognize them by the swastikas that they're carrying, the fact that they're inciting violence, or...
02:38:14.000That this country, this bastion of freedom, was forged by patriots who fought off tyrants, who beat the odds and created this country?
02:38:29.000Do you remember learning that Thomas Jefferson said that the tree of liberty must periodically be refreshed with the blood of patriots and tyrants?
02:38:38.000So this idea that tyranny is a profound problem is written in our DNA as a nation and Those who are cynically dismantling the nation are putting us in that jeopardy.
02:39:01.000And what I'm afraid that people will do is they will, with some justification, say to themselves, you know what?
02:40:12.000The medical freedom movement was taking shape and then events happened that caused it to get swamped.
02:40:20.000The fact that the Trump campaign was uninterested in talking about the problems of Project Warp Speed dropped that issue to a low priority and we are going to re-prioritize it.
02:40:41.000The third of our pillars is that we have to repel censorship, propaganda, and information control.
02:40:50.000We have a right to have a public square, to have a discussion.
02:40:58.000Hopefully, you're honorable about it and you discover you're incorrect and you fix your error, but we have to be able to talk freely.
02:41:04.000There's nobody who knows what the facts are so that they can tell us which things we're allowed to talk about any more than there's somebody in a position to tell us which speech is tolerable, right?
02:41:17.000And so we have to have an end to censorship.
02:41:22.000The fourth pillar is that we have to return to a modality of truth-seeking.
02:41:32.000You can't have a system of universities or institutes or arms of the government that believe they have the right to lie to us for our own good.
02:42:25.000The people we would choose to elect were being steered I would say the second component of our focus on lawfare is that we have to have elections that we can trust.
02:42:39.000Free and fair elections are obviously central to a democratic republic.
02:42:44.000And so that has to be enshrined in a way, in my personal opinion, this is not the opinion of The organizers of the event necessarily, but in my personal opinion, this is a place where the various states all coming up with their own mechanisms for voting is a problem.
02:43:04.000And I think actually we have to have a national conversation about how to hold elections that are transparent and verifiable.
02:43:12.000That seems like a minimum requirement.
02:43:18.000So the seventh pillar is financial freedom.
02:43:24.000So this is essentially about the danger of a central bank digital currency that we need to retain the capacity to be autonomous and we can't have tyranny inflicted on us.
02:43:58.000Obviously open borders don't make any sense.
02:44:01.000Immigration is something that we need to decide what the right level is.
02:44:04.000We need to decide how to bring in people who actually want to be Americans and only at the rate that the civilization in question can absorb them and they can be part of this great experiment.
02:44:37.000We can't have a civilization in which the government is telling you that because your child said something that they think means that they are genderqueer, that they need to have medications and surgeries inflicted on them, and that it's not your right as a parent to say no.
02:44:58.000I think if people think about Those eight pillars and realize actually...
02:45:04.000There's nothing to disagree with there.
02:45:06.000That reasonable people would all agree to these things because they're not in any way radical and that a unity movement built around these things is exactly where they want to be in an era where there's so much insanity being presented to us as the only way forward.
02:45:22.000Hopefully they will gather with us on the Capitol Mall on September 29th and show themselves.
02:45:28.000And really I think if you had If half a million people show up, that will make a pretty unambiguous statement.
02:45:36.000I think it's important to point out that you had this idea a while ago and that it was actually removed from Twitter.
02:47:28.000I do think unity is the right message.
02:47:30.000I think this is exactly the moment at which people do come together because many people feel the jeopardy.
02:47:40.000I sincerely hope that what President Trump discovered when he brought Bobby Kennedy on board continues to grow in his mind because I think actually he has the potential to lead I think?
02:48:14.000Not the polarizing figure that people seem intent on turning him into, but he would go down in history as a galvanizing figure, as really a re-founder of the country.
02:48:27.000I know that will be hard for many people who have thought ill of him to swallow, but I don't know what you think, but the joining of the Trump campaign and Bobby Kennedy.
02:49:49.000But in any case, I can't emphasize enough how important it is that we make a strong showing.
02:49:57.000And the reason that it is important is because it will make it very difficult to sell the story that the enthusiasm simply drove Kamala Harris, who has yet to articulate anything like a vision, We need to make it clear,
02:50:15.000If you worry that your vote doesn't count, your physical presence on the mall, the picture of Americans coming together across ideological divides and joining together in order to rescue the Republic, I believe is the antidote to the cheating that we all fear.
02:51:04.000I think it's nonsense, but I understand how he ends up there.
02:51:08.000So let me just say, I saw that segment, of course, as you would imagine, and...
02:51:15.000I immediately reached out to him, and I said, Tucker, you've got it wrong.
02:51:21.000The evidence for Darwinian evolution, for adaptation, is overwhelming, and I would love to sit down with you and talk to you about why that is.
02:51:35.000We haven't had a chance yet, but I do think it's important in...
02:51:40.000But saying something about where that perspective is coming from and why it's incorrect, it is important to say, I really appreciate Tucker and his openness to hearing the counterargument says a lot about him.
02:51:57.000He was not the slightest bit defensive and, in fact, was eager to hear about Darwinism and Well, he's absolutely willing to change his mind.
02:54:13.000You get attached to Fox News, you get attached, especially him, the most popular voice on Fox News.
02:54:19.000Yeah, I spent a lot of time, you know, he's always being demonized as a white supremacist or something.
02:54:26.000And I got into the habit, every time somebody said, oh, you know, Tucker's finally revealed himself, I would click through and see what the evidence was.
02:54:36.000And it's just like, okay, the guy just said he wasn't for open borders, right?
02:54:59.000Everybody immediately connects to their ideology and changes The words of someone to be the least charitable version of what it is and the most heinous interpretation of who that human being is.
02:55:12.000And if you support them, you support this.
02:55:13.000And if you platform them, you platform this.
02:55:35.000I said it to him when he came on the podcast.
02:55:37.000I said, I have to be honest that my version of you was connected entirely to you being an anti-vaxxer, conspiracy theorist, kook, the dark...
02:55:46.000Cloud of the Kennedy family, this one guy who's just nuts, unfortunately.
02:55:56.000But then I talked to some brilliant people that I know that recommended certain things and told me to read some other things that he had written.
02:56:59.000I want everybody to have the experience of having thought ill of somebody like Tucker or like Bobby Kennedy and then to discover in person that the rap is just wrong.
02:57:55.000Well, the problem is eventually they're going to run into it.
02:57:58.000So I've started saying, look, I'm happy to tell you what I do, but I should warn you I'm a terrible person who's come to believe unforgivable things.
02:58:10.000It kind of works because when you hear somebody say that about themselves, it's like, well, okay, what doesn't add up here, right?
02:58:25.000I think there's a lot of concern, especially on the right, about the story of Darwinism being incorrect.
02:58:37.000And to me, this is a slow motion train wreck.
02:58:42.000I don't fault people for thinking that Darwin had it wrong because I think modern Darwinists have screwed up their job.
02:58:54.000And in fact, they became advocates for Darwin in a way that prevented them from seeing that there was a major error in the version that they were presenting.
02:59:16.000Darwin existed at a moment where his ability to access what was taking place inside of biological creatures was just limited technologically.
02:59:29.000So there's a lot that he didn't know and it actually worked to his benefit.
02:59:36.000Because what he outlined was an extremely elegant idea.
02:59:43.000In fact, Richard Dawkins said it was the most powerful theory that anyone had ever come up with.
02:59:51.000And his defense for that I find very compelling.
02:59:54.000His defense was the power of a theory is that which it explains divided by that which it assumes.
03:00:01.000And the thing about Darwinism is it assumes almost nothing, right?
03:00:07.000Essentially, dissent with modification.
03:00:10.000And it explains essentially all of biology.
03:00:13.000So by that rubric, it is just far and away the most powerful theory we've got.
03:00:22.000What he presented was an outline of how what I would call selection, right, just the non-random sorting of things, when it was coupled with heredity, produced adaptation.
03:00:40.000Creatures being adapted to their environments by the process of selection where some things outdo other things and heredity allows the characteristics that make some things outdo other things to accumulate.
03:00:55.000When DNA... So the order of events is...
03:01:13.000He's careful about how he breeds the peas that he can actually identify traits as they move from parent to offspring in a way that suggests that it wasn't like swirling up a bunch of ice cream.
03:01:25.000It was like things that stayed independent that flowed through these breedings, right?
03:01:33.000Mendel was working at the same time but Darwin apparently did not know about what Mendel was doing and so Darwin worked purely at the level of critters and their characteristics and he knew that there had to be a way for hereditary information to be housed inside of them but he knew nothing about how that worked.
03:01:53.000Mendel had the first piece of how it worked.
03:01:58.000We now know they exist on chromosomes in DNA form, but that took a long time to figure out.
03:02:02.000But at the point that we finally found out, Watson and Crick, Elucidate the structure of DNA. They say it hasn't escaped our notice that this provides a place for the information that Mendel had pointed to,
03:02:18.000that Darwin had implied, that that fits in the DNA, right?
03:02:22.000At that moment, Our vision of heredity narrowed radically because we had this description of how it is that information can live inside of a biological organism,
03:02:40.000be past parent to offspring, and be selected in a way that causes adaptation.
03:03:09.000And the problem is, As powerful as it is, right, the story that they teach us, random mutations in protein-coding genes are almost always bad.
03:03:24.000Selection tends to accumulate the good ones, and the creatures and their special characteristics are all the results of all the collected good adaptations with all of the bad adaptations, or mutations, all of the good mutations collected and all of the bad mutations lost.
03:03:41.000That story is not, in my opinion, powerful enough to explain the amazing characteristics of creatures.
03:04:27.000So, you now have a problem, which is, A, you've got Darwinists and other biologists who have been backed into a corner, and they've sworn up and down that mutations and protein-coding genes, if you give it enough time and enough selective force,
03:06:11.000There's a layer called compilers and computer languages that allows a human being, through a very regimented process, to specify things such that the binary layer can do its job.
03:06:24.000The computer is binary, but there's a whole layer between binary and Halo 3 or whatever the kids are playing.
03:07:12.000Now, here's the other thing I know about Stephen Meyer, because I've had the good fortune to spend some time with him, to break bread, to talk to him about biology.
03:07:31.000In fact, where I overlapped with him was at a little conference and he brought swim goggles for anybody who wanted them because he wanted to go into the Mediterranean and go look at animals because it's cool, right?
03:09:13.000Some of them you can just write directly and tell the computer to operate.
03:09:16.000But it's the equivalent of a computer language that turbocharges the process of adaptation.
03:09:24.000And so the point about Stephen Meyer is he makes a number of different arguments about problems he spots with Darwinism.
03:09:31.000I don't think some of them really are problems, but there is one that strikes me as real.
03:09:37.000They call it the waiting time problem.
03:09:39.000And the basic point is, look, we can do the math on how much adaptation we see.
03:09:47.000And there isn't enough time for you to get the adaptations that you're seeing given how much availability of time there was for those things to occur.
03:09:58.000So the point is that process that you're claiming made these creatures couldn't have done it in the amount of time you're claiming they were created.
03:10:08.000Now, my point is that is actually, I think, likely true because there's this other process.
03:10:13.000Like, if you had to write Halo 3 I don't even know if there is a Halo 3. I don't know.
03:12:17.000Somebody was interested, you know, I don't think there was a creator, but if there was a creator, I believe not only A, did they use selection and adaptation in order to make the creatures, but that's probably the reason they did the whole experiment, right?
03:12:29.000That's the most interesting thing it produces.
03:12:33.000And B, let's say, you know, let's just give the hypothesis its due.
03:12:40.000Let's say that this was an environment created by some intentional being with the purpose of making critters using Darwinian evolution.
03:12:53.000So then, you know, you've heard Elon say, well, if it's possible to simulate universes, then there are bound to be vastly more simulated universes than there are real universes.
03:13:23.000At some level, you're going to get far enough out that you have to invoke a natural process, and that natural process is going to involve something without a creator, right?
03:14:11.000Eventually you're going to get to the place where you're going to have to surrender to the only thing anyone's ever come up with that could in principle create intelligent creatures.
03:14:32.000I would say the number of places, you know, the genomes of the creatures that we have did not have to tell an elegant story of how they're related to each other, right?
03:14:41.000If a creator had designed them, he'd have no reason to make the phylogeny fit an evolutionary story that fit the paleobiology.
03:14:52.000So the number of confirmations that we have gotten is extraordinary, and they're just not familiar.
03:14:58.000But anyway, there's a lot of power in the theory, and don't fault the myopia of any generation of scientists.
03:15:07.000The overall story is elegant and fascinating.