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00:00:34.000I mean, it's not a hot take that everything's so divided now, right?
00:00:38.000I think a lot of people have noticed that.
00:00:40.000But I think I'm really in this unique position where I kind of get it from both sides because I'm independent politically.
00:00:47.000I just want very small government, which I think puts me at odds with both parties sometimes, depending on what the issue is.
00:00:53.000So I will sometimes get shit from the...
00:00:57.000I'm on Fox News, so I'll get sometimes shit from the viewers...
00:01:01.000For sometimes more of this more social issues or I'm not religious, that kind of a thing.
00:01:06.000But then the people on the left, a lot of them won't even want to have a conversation with me because they're like, oh, she works at Fox News.
00:01:11.000That tells me everything I need to know about her.
00:01:13.000And I think that that's doing some real damage overall to us as a country by the fact that we're letting...
00:01:21.000Because I'm not special in that aspect, right?
00:01:23.000People will let one aspect of a person completely just...
00:01:26.000Oh, that's all I need to know about that person.
00:01:32.000And it's so funny, like, if you say, I'm independent, I just want small government, immediately people start thinking, prepper, you know, KKK, stockpiling guns, living in the woods, I'm independent, I want small government, is like, you might be a dangerous person.
00:01:50.000Well, people think that just because you don't think the government's the best way to solve a problem, that doesn't actually mean you don't care about the problem.
00:01:56.000So if you don't think the government can solve something like, oh, well, you're a piece of shit because you don't care about this or this or this.
00:02:02.000No, I just don't think the government's going to solve it.
00:02:04.000The problem with the government solving problems, the government is not financially invested in a solution.
00:02:10.000They just want to have more jobs and they want to keep more bureaucracy and more people working on a problem, hence the California homeless problem.
00:02:20.000Imagine if that was farmed off to the private sector.
00:02:23.000Imagine if the only way to make money in the homeless problem is actually creating a solution for it.
00:02:29.000Yeah, but like you said, there's no actual incentive for them to do that.
00:03:29.000I mean, the fact that I feel very luxurious and it's like a flex to be able to have a child, actually, because we have enough space to put a baby in our rental apartment, which most people don't, actually.
00:03:41.000I never thought I would get to that position.
00:05:12.000I hear that and I'm like that sounds like me I don't know what it means because I bet you can focus on things that you enjoy and See, yes, I can.
00:05:49.000I don't know what of it is the pregnancy, what of it is no amphetamines, what of it is no nicotine, because, I mean, I can't wait to go back to nicotine.
00:07:07.000But one thing that I think I'm gonna after I give birth I'm gonna go back to it to some extent But I don't want to use it on stage anymore because I feel like I've been better on stage without amphetamines Well, I know people that do I've never done amphetamines I've never done Adderall.
00:08:27.000But it's like, I'm so messed up because I've done these, the amphetamines were so long that let's just say if something doesn't go well, I'm like, it would have been better if I was on Vyvanse.
00:08:35.000So it's like, you know, because I don't know.
00:08:39.000But it's, you know, but I just don't know because I've heard, from what I've heard, if you're pregnant, that can make you a little crazy too.
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00:10:31.000But I'm just saying what it actually is, is you're deciding whether or not someone should be able to tell you whether you could terminate the baby that's inside of you that's going to become a person.
00:10:41.000Well, yeah, I think that's obviously, I mean, I'm pro-choice.
00:10:44.000I just don't think the government should be involved in it at all.
00:12:35.000Which is why I waited so long to have kids and I'm terrified because also what if it's like a few degrees below a sociopath and my kid just sucks.
00:12:44.000I don't think you have to worry about that.
00:12:46.000My kid's the one that shows up and everyone's like, ah, shit, you know, so-and-so's kids here.
00:12:51.000I don't think you really have to worry about that.
00:12:53.000The reason why I brought that up is because Ted Kaczynski, when he was young, there was something wrong with them, some sort of medical condition, and they brought him to some hospital where he received no touch, no physical touch, for like a long period of time, like months and months.
00:13:20.000And so he turned him in and that's how they called the Unabomber.
00:13:22.000But he attributes one of the things that's wrong with his brother with the time where he was a baby where he received no touch and no love.
00:13:30.000And that it just fucked with his head.
00:13:48.000I think there's some people who are really socially conservative religious that are opposed to IVF in general because embryos are discarded or they die and that kind of a thing.
00:13:59.000Yeah, I've heard that as an argument against what Donald Trump has been saying about paying for IVF. Right.
00:14:24.000It gets me into trouble sometimes, but it's much less stressful than the alternative of having to worry about things being uncovered that I've been hiding from people.
00:14:32.000I mean, a lot of times those are the creepiest people.
00:14:40.000Well, also, I've always found that the people that want to control other people most likely are out of control of some aspect of themselves.
00:14:47.000If I see men that are really invested in telling women what to do and controlling women, some weird thing that I was reading about people wanting to monitor employees' periods.
00:15:23.000But if, let's say, it was telling me all that and I miss my period, then it could be watching me to see if I was obtaining an abortion pill online or something like that.
00:16:47.000But that got read, like, in court, and then it got printed online, and printed, and I was like, wow, that's crazy.
00:16:52.000Like, that a private communication between people, all of a sudden, not just gets read in court, but also gets distributed on the news Mm-hmm.
00:17:02.000That's my nightmare, is having my private text messages.
00:17:11.000I mean, the things I text to people, every time that happens, when people's texts get public, I'm more horrified that the texts get public than most of whatever's in the messages.
00:18:23.000There's this thing now where it's people are trying to cancel people over things that they said or tweeted or posted when they were 13 years old.
00:19:39.000I would hate my husband if he didn't go to war, actually, because he's a good man from a good family who had a good upbringing and went to boarding school, and I'm like, if he didn't have the trauma of the war, I wouldn't like him, I feel.
00:21:09.000But you know, if you had like 10 bags of trail mix and every now and then one of them gives you a pill that puts you in a fucking coma, you would stop eating trail mix.
00:24:18.000Alexa, why should I vote for Kamala Harris?
00:24:25.000While there are many reasons to vote for Kamala Harris, the most significant may be that she is a strong candidate with a proven track record of accomplishment.
00:24:33.000As the first female vice president, Harris has already broken down a major gender barrier, and her career in politics has been characterized by a commitment to progressive ideals and a focus on helping disenfranchised communities.
00:24:47.000So just woke propaganda straight from Alexa.
00:24:51.000Just listen to the language being used.
00:28:01.000You ever been to Universal in Hollywood where they shoot TV shows and you go down the street and it's these facades that look like a city street.
00:28:09.000But behind them is just a bunch of boards holding up the front of the building.
00:28:35.000But boy, you should not be happy with this.
00:28:37.000Nothing about you should be excited about what they've done to you because they've tricked you into talking about something in a very positive way that you just recently didn't talk about in a positive way.
00:28:49.000And there was nothing that happened that changed that person.
00:31:27.000And do you start with like regular vapes that you buy at the gas station and move your way up to robots?
00:31:33.000I started with the blue cigs and then they just weren't hitting hard enough for me anymore.
00:31:37.000I was ripping multiple blue cigs and then I love the Juul.
00:31:41.000I mean, so there's these things in Detroit called breezes.
00:31:44.000I don't know if you can get them other places, but I'm from the Detroit area, and I was having, I don't know, this is illegal, so I probably shouldn't say this, but my brother may have been sending shipments in to me, you know, when they were illegal in New York, because the breezes were the best.
00:32:01.000For a while, well, they weren't sold in New York, but for a while there was supposed to be, the jewels, rather, the jewels were illegal in New York, and then we weren't sure about what was going to be legal in New York, because, do you remember that, when they made jewel pods illegal?
00:32:13.000I don't, because I don't think they ever became illegal in California.
00:37:05.000The whole thing about vapes being bad was just like the tobacco companies and a bunch of shenanigans.
00:37:12.000I'm paraphrasing, I'm not giving you the full story.
00:37:15.000But his argument was that those robot lunchbox type vapes, those big fat boys, at least you know what's in there.
00:37:22.000You know where you're getting your oils.
00:37:24.000You can get different quality and caliber of nicotine oils.
00:37:28.000Yeah, I was, well, I mean, I believe, there's a lot of studies that show it is way better than cigarettes.
00:37:34.000Yeah, but who's funded in those studies?
00:37:36.000But it's also, the way that I've used cigarettes when I've had, like, I can still, when I go to Europe, again, not when I'm pregnant, but when I can, I can still go to Europe and smoke cigarettes only in Europe and come back and not smoke cigarettes.
00:37:47.000And there's immediate downsides to cigarettes.
00:39:35.000And it was like, the news is stressful, turning on a Ted Bundy documentary to relax, something like that.
00:39:41.000And I looked at my personal Facebook and some dude who I knew from doing open mics in Baltimore had commented like, oh, are you stressed out about, you know, basically that you did this?
00:39:53.000You know, because I work at Fox that I did.
00:42:57.000Because when you're in a hospital, and I was by myself because this was during COVID, and in New York, my husband was allowed, he could come visit for, I could have two visitors a day, maximum two people for maximum two hours and not past 6pm.
00:44:39.000They told me, I will never forget that, when I woke up from the first surgery, they came in and they told me that they had good news and that I tested negative for COVID. I was like, I don't fucking care.
00:44:51.000My small intestine is hanging out of my stomach.
00:45:14.000If this was two years ago, they would 100% immediately test you for COVID. But yet they're still talking about COVID. And they don't even test kids for it.
00:45:52.000There's supposed to be some real benefits to nutritional supplementation where your baby is being born inside of you, or being created inside of you.
00:46:01.000Maybe possibly going to a place and getting your blood work drawn, finding what nutrients you're deficient in.
00:46:11.000You know, I mean, it's all just simple, basic, natural stuff like vitamin C and vitamin D and vitamin K2 and all that stuff, but your body really extra needs that.
00:49:32.000That's not I like I I'm exhausted enough to be around as a person just naturally I don't need I don't need Adderall adding to the problem You know I felt like the world's collapsing around me.
00:50:26.000Whenever I'm writing, sometimes I'll be like, I need to get a sentence perfect.
00:50:33.000When I'm writing, I'll spend hours sometimes on a single sentence if I think it's a really important sentence, and I'll be like, I don't know, I don't know, and then I'll put a zen in, or put nicotine, and then I will get it.
00:51:26.000Back in the day when we first put it out, a lot of people were like, this is fucking snake oil, so okay, let's find out.
00:51:31.000Because there's studies, but there's no real, like, let's find out, let's get something definitive.
00:51:35.000So we did two double-blind, placebo-controlled studies at the Boston Center for Memory, where they found increase in Increase in verbal memory, so your ability to recall words.
00:51:47.000Increase in reaction time, increase in alpha flow state.
00:51:51.000So there was a bunch of recognizable benefits at a dose that was lower than what I was taking.
00:53:54.000I think everybody would like to be a little bit more productive, especially if you're a creative type, if you're a writer, if you're doing things.
00:54:00.000You'd like to be a little bit more productive.
00:54:27.000I just wonder, it's the difference between doing coke five nights a week for a few hours a night versus a pill that you're taking every fucking day that jacks your system up.
00:54:39.000Who knows if you're going to blow a fuse over time?
00:59:05.000I got into Columbia, couldn't afford it, so I decided to stay in LA and keep interning, waiting tables, doing comedy.
00:59:10.000And we were fighting a lot, because we shouldn't have been together.
00:59:14.000So he got me, he's a great friend of mine now, actually, but he brought me this cat as like a band-aid on the relationship that he just found in North Hollywood, basically.
00:59:58.000And my sister I had her stay there too because he likes my sister, but he likes he finally likes my husband now and It took what like five years, but like he's like I'm driving He's like every year's like I'm driving because every year.
01:00:10.000I'm like this will be the last year Yeah, because it's lived like 18 years old but this cat has had serious health problems for Four years requiring multiple daily medications that I have to administer.
01:00:24.000Because not just anybody can come stay with the cat because they have to administer the medication, which is a hazardous activity for the average person.
01:03:40.000So you're dealing with a low-level intelligence, jealousy, pettiness, sense of fairness, and then all this alpha primate shit that comes with chimpanzees in general, and then you got them captive So they're basically prisoners.
01:05:16.000Yeah, but isn't it interesting that you, now becoming a successful person and doing stand-up, you would see someone like that and go, oh, you're just in the wrong job.
01:05:27.000Like someone's trying to put you in a job at an office somewhere, and that's really not for you.
01:05:32.000I could never work in a normal office.
01:05:59.000I didn't have enough money for that apartment, so I had to move in with this bartender I was sort of kind of seeing from my California Pizza Kitchen job.
01:06:05.000I was like, just because I need to live here doesn't mean we're together.
01:06:17.000But I would get on stage and I would talk about it.
01:06:20.000And that made me feel some sense of power over the things that were making me feel powerless.
01:06:25.000And I was like, oh, I really like this.
01:06:27.000I could make fun of this shit and people would be laughing.
01:06:30.000I would talk about how broke I was and people would be laughing and I'd be like, oh, I created something out of something that I felt was going to destroy me.
01:07:08.000I did his radio show after the first book came out talking about my shitbag, and he was like, you know, Kat, he's like, as a human being, I'm really sorry that happened to you, but as a comedian, I am jealous.
01:07:19.000LAUGHTER And I do have a lot of material from that, you know, because a lot of people it doesn't happen to.
01:07:46.000Some people just don't have that same psychological makeup, which is my original point, is that there's a lot of people out there that shouldn't be doing regular jobs and just giving them Ritalin, I don't think it's the answer.
01:07:57.000Like, if you're saying that you can go outside and you can play with bugs and lizards and shit and you're fascinated.
01:08:02.000That's what normal people are supposed to be doing.
01:08:05.000It's so abnormal to be sitting in a room with artificial light at a desk where you're not supposed to move, talking about shit that's not interesting to you.
01:08:12.000That's normal for a kid to rebel against something like that.
01:09:35.000You know what's funny is there's people in my real life who have known me for decades who have not had an in-person conversation with me off stimulus.
01:09:43.000People I've known my whole life who, you know, still, and you're meeting me for the first time off stimulus.
01:09:49.000But you're very sharp and you're very fast.
01:09:51.000You don't seem like you're slowed down at all.
01:11:51.000200 milligrams a day is all you can have?
01:11:52.000I had, like, already an Americano today.
01:11:55.000If I was an ethical doctor and you came into my office and there was no financial incentive for me to prescribe medication to you, I'd say, you're fine.
01:14:02.000We had the big lunch boxes, strawberry, lemonade!
01:14:06.000It was great, mixing the flavors and all that other shit.
01:14:08.000So what is in the oil, what is the best, like, let's find, I should probably call Adam and ask him, but what is the best oil for vapes that's not as bad for you?
01:14:40.000I spoke to somebody who, for an article, I read an article from National Review about this, who said that she would be surprised if that chemical was in the nicotine vapes at all, because it's pretty much only necessary with THC, and that it was only in black market THC vapes,
01:16:12.000Yeah, because you don't want to be the person that winds up in the news.
01:16:14.000I thought you were going to say you don't want to be the person that has to go home.
01:16:17.000No, you don't want to be the person that winds up in the news because your legs stop working because you smoked some fucking gas station vape pen.
01:16:22.000And I have to tell everyone that I smoked a fucking...
01:18:10.000As VG is vegetable-based, there's a much lower toxicity than PG, so that's propylene glycol, or nicotine, so it's safe to use in e-liquids for vaping.
01:18:19.000Of course, though, like many things, there's a potential for allergic reaction.
01:18:44.000So, it's like, dependent upon what kind of oil you get, you're spraying the inside of your lungs with some shit that's generally not good for consumption.
01:18:52.000Like, palm oil is supposed to be bad for consumption.
01:21:08.000But, okay, when you hear Michigan's banning them, I go, okay, but did another industry tell Michigan that they're bad so they can sell their fucking bullshit oil vapes?
01:21:16.000Like, there's so much fuckery going on with all this stuff, especially these unregulated things.
01:22:15.000Well, there's just too many doctors that have a financial interest in following whatever the company line is.
01:22:21.000And with certain things, they're not allowed to prescribe medications because those medications aren't as profitable as the ones that they're promoted to prescribe.
01:22:28.000I wanted to bring this up since we don't know.
01:22:30.000I was going to bring it up earlier while you were talking about it.
01:22:32.000This says that nicotine replacement therapy could be okay during pregnancy.
01:23:20.000It's like, I can't believe how much energy I had.
01:23:22.000Oh my god, I was poisoning myself all day.
01:23:24.000And then, you know, he has this, like, glucose monitor thing, and the glucose monitor thing is kind of, his glucose is too high, and he's trying to figure out what it is.
01:23:32.000It's vaping, because all those flavored vapes have sugar in them.
01:23:38.000So every time he's taking a vape off this gas station bullshit...
01:24:05.000I've gotten into sugar a little bit, which sounds insane to say, but I never, like, now that I'm pregnant, it's like, what dopamine is there available for you?
01:24:13.000Not that much, so I'll get dessert, but I feel like, I got a pumpkin spice Frappuccino last weekend, okay?
01:30:20.000He's going through all that shit in L.A., and then he lived with me in D.C., which is a horrible place, and then, you know, New York and everything.
01:32:14.000It's the same as people who have anorexia, the same as people who are bodybuilders who think they're tiny.
01:32:20.000People have a propensity to develop, at least certain people do, this kind of disease where you don't see yourself as other people see you.
01:34:48.000This is like her older, but when she was younger, she had this very prominent nose, and then she got it fixed, and like, she was unrecognizable.
01:34:56.000It's cool to look different from everybody else in some way.
01:34:59.000Yeah, but the problem is when everybody knows you as the person who looks like that, like Barbra Streisand.
01:35:03.000If Barbra Streisand got a nose job, it would be crazy.
01:38:07.000You know, your body's probably still...
01:38:10.000Equalizing, you know, normalizing getting down to the regular levels and it's weird when I see myself in the mirror I still like do a jump scare because I'm like that who's that because I was so skinny before I was really skinny before now I have like a belly because I'm supposed to right, but I do a jump scare a little bit Really?
01:38:28.000I mean I'm going back back out on tour when the book comes out So I'm gonna be super pregnant super pregnant five days a week on Gottfeld two days a week on the road Wow So that's going to be a lot.
01:40:15.000Why wouldn't I do it other than what you just mentioned?
01:40:19.000It's funny that people would instantly want to label you as a right-wing person because you're on Fox.
01:40:25.000Also, it's funny that just people do that anymore.
01:40:27.000Whatever they did when they first created Fox, because Fox was essentially the first real opinion-based news source that was very right-wing that was on television.
01:40:37.000And then that gave the rise to, or at least gave some of the motivation to places like CNN to develop these editorial-based shows and opinion-based perspectives that really annoyed and polarized so many people.
01:40:52.000And it used to be that there were certain stations that would have objective news, and you would get objective news, and you would have right-wing people giving their perspective and left-wing people.
01:41:01.000Look, Gore Vidal and William F. Buckley debated live on television multiple times in a row, and it was like one of the biggest events on TV at the time.
01:41:11.000People were allowed to have differing opinions, and they'd be on a show, and we would let them talk things through.
01:41:18.000And even then, I'm sure it was polarized.
01:41:23.000But today, it's so much more ridiculous than at any time I could ever remember in my life.
01:41:29.000Well, I think that one of the biggest problems with today is not just that there's a lack of independent thinking, but that people have difficulty even perceiving it when it happens.
01:41:38.000So if I say something that is critical of Kamala, then people are like, oh, she's MAGA, she's super MAGA. Or if you say something critical of Trump, then it's like, oh, you're a communist and you're going to vote for it.
01:41:50.000And they don't even perceive that, hey, maybe someone could be this other thing where they just kind of don't fall into either camp.
01:41:58.000Maybe you just have a point and just listen to what the point is.
01:42:02.000And the parties don't mean anything in a lot of sense.
01:42:05.000I've been at Fox for almost 10 years now.
01:42:29.000But that used to be something that the left would agree with me on, and the right would yell at me about, and then it was Trump was becoming anti-war with Ukraine, and then it was reversed.
01:42:37.000Then I was like, I'm a Trump puppet for thinking and saying the things that I've always thought.
01:42:51.000It's these blue no matter who people or red till dead people.
01:42:54.000And you can trick them into – this is one of the reasons why, like, if I was the grand manipulator of the world, if I really believe there's one cabal of super geniuses that's running everything, I would try to see if I could do that.
01:43:06.000I would say, let's even get the left to support censorship, pro-war, invasive politics, like entering into people's homes and classrooms and siphoning up their information in order to protect trans kids in fucking Detroit,
01:43:33.000If I wanted to show that people are so easily manipulated that there is no left, there is no right, it's mostly nonsense.
01:43:40.000It's mostly people just applying, they're just subscribing to a predetermined pattern of beliefs and behaviors that they think is good and makes them a part of the tribe.
01:44:13.000Like being able to take away parents' rights because the child wants to transition and they want to be able to do it without the parents say so.
01:44:33.000To say that you can't tell the parents what's going on with the kids at school is to say that the state has more ownership over your kids than you do.
01:44:59.000You should definitely be allowed to be a drag queen, but I don't know if you should have drag queen story hour for five-year-olds when there's no parents around.
01:45:06.000And also when the kids can't read or do math is my thing.
01:45:10.000I think that all of this stuff, it's also very, I've noticed, it became more of an argument after COVID. I think there's a lot of distraction from, hey, these kids lost a lot, because I think it's so crazy how it's this radical idea to say, when Trump said,
01:45:25.000I'd get rid of the Department of Education, people go, he hates kids.
01:45:27.000It's like, okay, well, look what they did, and look what they're continuing to do.
01:45:49.000Because if you just give it, just like we were talking about the homeless problem in California, if you just give it to an organization, institution, it's a government-funded institution, has no obligation to be profitable, has no obligation to be effective.
01:46:01.000And you just say, we're spending a lot of money on the homeless problem.
01:46:05.000And what you've really done is just employ a bunch of people and they've done very little.
01:48:35.000We'd have a much more balanced understanding of who she is and how this is going to look and what it's going to be like if she becomes president.
01:49:47.000And I get scared of that kind of stuff, too, because I know that a lot of times when people do that, they think they're making a point.
01:49:53.000But boy, if you're against government control, those kind of like real angry riots and protests are an amazing opportunity for them to clamp down on your rights.
01:50:53.000Especially if they want to Push a very specific agenda.
01:50:57.000The people are fed up and they're angry.
01:51:01.000Remember when the George Floyd riots were going on and they'd find pallets of bricks just laying around?
01:51:06.000Yeah, well that was crazy because I... Some people had reasons for certain bricks being in places, but there was a few of them where people just said that they just got dropped off there.
01:51:18.000And that's exactly where everything popped off.
01:51:35.000We're spending all this money to get these college kids to invest in this.
01:51:38.000Then we're going to bring in Antifa, and they're going to go crazy, and we're handing out masks, and then we're going to leave bricks around.
01:51:44.000And I also think it's sad because I think that there were...
01:51:48.000Definitely legitimate points to be made and are about criminal justice, I think.
01:52:21.000So then now the pendulum is going to swing in the other direction where, you know, it's going to be even more law and order.
01:52:28.000And it's going to be, like you said, it's going to be rights at stake, civil liberties at stake, which is what this was supposed to be all about to begin with.
01:52:36.000Well, this is the ultimate goal of – I mean, again, I'm not saying this is happening, but this would be the ultimate goal of a communist dictatorship.
01:53:17.000I mean, people were like, you have to be able to protect you, banning TikTok, all these things, and you look into what they're really doing and the power that it would really give them.
01:53:26.000It's like, oh, this isn't about really just banning TikTok.
01:53:50.000And also, didn't Mark Zuckerberg just come out with a statement saying that he regretted giving in to the government's request to take down COVID-19 information?
01:54:13.000A video clip portrays Harris saying that she will shut down X. I don't think she said she would shut it down if she wins 2024 with a pleasure election and Musk has lost his privileges.
01:55:31.000So she's probably talking about Trump being on Twitter, is that what it is?
01:55:34.000She was talking to Jake Tapper, so we'll see if that's what this is.
01:55:37.000You can't say that you have one rule for Facebook and you have a different rule for Twitter.
01:55:41.000The same rule has to apply, which is that there has to be a responsibility that is placed on these social media sites to understand their power.
01:55:50.000They are directly speaking to millions and millions of people without any level of oversight or regulation.
01:56:22.000It's crazy for anyone to want it because if the only reason you want it, right, is because you agree with the ideological bent of the platform, wait until someone else is in charge of it, or wait until there's a different government in charge.
01:56:33.000It's also saying that the very thing that Mark Zuckerberg regrets should be happening.
01:56:39.000Like, she's essentially saying, why should they have different rules for Facebook than they do for Twitter?
01:57:02.000That's pretty fucking scary because it's very likely that he might wind up being the president.
01:57:06.000And if he winds up being the president, they start investigating this stuff.
01:57:09.000If I was Mark Zuckerberg, I'd be pretty fucking freaked out by that statement because It is election interference.
01:57:16.000For sure, whoever was running Twitter who gave in to the FBI's request to take down the Hunter Biden laptop story, they definitely interfered with the way people voted.
01:57:27.000Because if people found out that that laptop was legitimate and all that stuff was true, And there's a certain percentage, I don't know what the number is, but there's a certain percentage of people that were maybe on the fence, and that could have influenced their vote one way or another.
01:57:40.000And it could have given Trump fuel, because he could have been talking about it.
01:57:43.000See, I told you that this was real, and they've been lying.
01:57:46.000And it would also prove that Biden lied during the debates.
01:57:50.000I don't understand how anybody didn't think it was real, though.
01:58:08.000I was like, okay, if that was me and someone was saying there was a laptop going around of me, you know, doing all this shit, banging all these people on camera and smoking all these drugs, I'd be like, that...
01:59:35.000Not only that, if you're talking about oversight and regulation, are you talking about the exact same people that were trying to get Twitter and successfully did get Twitter to take down the Hunter Biden laptop?
01:59:44.000And make it impossible to share that video saying that it was misinformation when it was not.
01:59:49.000And if you don't do anything to correct and to hold people responsible that pushed out that misinformation and no one's punished for it and there's no repercussions at all, what are you saying then?
02:00:03.000It's okay if your side says things that aren't true and you can regulate in a way that's not based on fact or reality but based on a result that you want to take place and that's fine.
02:00:26.000But if you got a hold of the Twitter files and you see what Michael Schellenberger and Matt Taibbi and all those people that went through that stuff with a fine-tooth comb, the stuff that they found out, Should make you realize, like, no, you can't have the government tell you what you can and can't say.
02:01:17.000If they want to stop you from saying something, and then it turns out that what you were saying was true, no one should trust them ever again.
02:01:24.000There should be some sort of a comeuppance, and there's no comeuppance.
02:01:41.000And now you want to control social media to stop lies.
02:01:43.000And the lab leak theory is one that really, I mean, people's careers were destroyed over being like, maybe this virus came from this lab full of viruses where it was found right outside of.
02:01:53.000And they were like, you fucking crazy ass.
02:01:57.000But it was only because certain information was seen as acceptable and sanctioned and certain information was seen as not.
02:02:57.000You get all these people that are just telling you, Michael Schellenberger, telling Barry Wise, telling you what the fuck is actually going on, and not attached to some large corporation.
02:03:06.000Yeah, but it's also saying the government is the only one that's allowed to be wrong.
02:04:20.000There was some recent statistic about the percentage of violent crimes, robberies, and assaults that were created by migrants, illegal immigrants that are in New York right now.
02:04:43.000Because I thought it'd be an interesting thing to talk about.
02:04:45.000Like, at what point in time—like, I know that Eric Adams, the mayor, is like, stop coming here, go somewhere else, and Kathy Hochul's like, get out of here, go somewhere else, but— You still have a sanctuary city, and you still are paying them to stay there.
02:04:59.000If you are nonviolent and you want to come contribute to our economy, then I think you should be welcome to do so, but the incentives where you're paying for things...
02:05:10.000Migrants flooding New York City's justice system, making up 75% of arrests in Midtown.
02:05:15.000As pathetic sanctuary city laws handcuff cops.
02:05:20.000I saw this thing where someone was complaining to these cops about someone doing something illegal and they said we can't arrest them because this is a sanctuary city and they're migrants.
02:06:52.000There's definitely people who are also conservative.
02:06:53.000But the thing is, most people look out for the best interest, and you can buy them.
02:06:58.000I mean, if you're the party that let them through and gave them money and allowed them to establish a foothold in America, and now their family's here and they're doing much better, well, you would definitely vote Democrat, because they're the people that hooked you up.
02:07:09.000That just seems like a natural human incentive without even having to bribe them to do it.
02:07:14.000If you're giving them loans and helping them get houses and making it so they can vote and giving them a clear path to citizenship, that seems like if I came here from Guatemala and I didn't know a lot about our political system, the people that hooked me up, I'd stick with them.
02:07:30.000So you probably are going to get a higher percentage of those people that, if you could ever do this and create a path with these people who are illegal immigrants and enter into the country illegally, can get a quick path.
02:07:46.000I mean, it sounds crazy to say, but it doesn't seem crazy to try if you're trying to figure out a way that you can win and win in the future almost every time.
02:08:04.000I think that there's many other things that play into it.
02:08:06.000But in general, my problem is with the extremely large welfare state in general and where the money goes and how bad the government is at spending money.
02:08:18.000Same thing as California's in New York.
02:08:19.000I mean, there's been so much money spent, wasn't it Bloomberg, or excuse me, de Blasio's wife that was in charge of, like, the homeless mental health initiative?
02:08:27.000You went there missing a bunch of money?
02:08:29.000It's like, I'm sitting there, I used to live in Hudson Yards, and my husband and I are sitting in, we've since moved, but we're sitting there, we're looking down in the park, watching, like, some dude get a blowjob from, you know, some...
02:08:42.000I feel like there's a lot still going on here with this mental...
02:08:47.000Where's my money all going in general?
02:08:50.000And I feel like with immigration, I think also the two sides, there's a lot of incentives that people get from politically.
02:09:02.000Here's the thing about cheap labor, and this is what Tim Dillon's been saying.
02:09:05.000He thinks they're bringing in cheap, illegal labor.
02:09:08.000And that's why construction businesses, like if you kicked out all the illegal immigrants, he was like, a lot of construction businesses would be fucked.
02:10:21.000And these people, like, for once in their life, they had direction, they had meaning, they were part of a community, they're trying to get off the dope, they're feeling better about themselves, chanting and really believing all this thing these people are talking about, and they really just used them.
02:12:48.000Like, when I lived in New Rochelle, I lived in New Rochelle because I couldn't afford to live in the city at the time, and I was doing a lot of road gigs.
02:14:12.000Everyone, like last night we were in the green room and Brian Simpson came up with this new bit and everybody's like giving it, like he said this thing.
02:14:42.000There's not only just a bit, but it's a root.
02:14:45.000Of what's going to be a real chunk of material.
02:14:48.000He's just started off with this hilarious premise that has a few really good taglines and then four months from now that's going to probably be a closing bit.
02:15:02.000But I mean, for me, I quit a few times, and I quit most recently also during COVID. And then when I wrote the first book, I started doing a live show, and there's slides involved, but every slide has a punchline.
02:15:11.000And then next thing you know, I'm going up around the city now doing just like stand-up as well, in addition to my live shows.
02:15:16.000But now it's pretty much, I'm going to have no time to just do my shows, and then Gutfeld five days a week, and the baby.
02:15:44.000So, I thought I'd be, honestly, I thought when I, I thought I'd be more scared of having kids, and I am scared, I have no idea what I'm doing, but I've also just been, like, too tired.
02:16:40.000It's just, you know, I have friends who raise their whole families in New York City, like kids from baby all the way to grown up, and those kids are different.
02:18:34.000And now all of a sudden they have and they do it multiple times and then it becomes a normalized thing and they realize you've created a real fucking problem.
02:18:43.000Well you feel dumb for not stealing at a certain It's like, why am I still paying for this shit?
02:20:49.000But he's not wrong because the reason why they're going out of business is because they've been looted.
02:20:54.000So, like, they've abandoned several major cities, right?
02:21:00.000They've moved out, like, a lot of businesses have moved out of San Francisco, a lot of businesses have moved out of L.A., for a very specific reason, because of these looting.
02:22:12.000He's not right why those shelves are empty at that moment because they're going out of business, but that's why they're going out of business.
02:22:36.000It's almost like they want society to collapse.
02:22:38.000Like allowing stuff like that and not making corrective measures to make these retailers feel comfortable so they stay in your community without doing anything to save them and letting them pull out and not making any corrective measures is so nuts.
02:22:51.000Yeah, it is nuts, but nothing's changed.
02:22:54.000I mean, New York's stuff has been locked up forever now.
02:22:57.000Right, but this is a new thing is what I'm saying.
02:22:59.000This didn't exist in the year 2000. You never saw this.
02:23:03.000So in the last 24 years, all of a sudden it's become a thing that people are looting stores on a regular basis to the point where they have to move out of cities because there's no correction in the way they enforce the laws.
02:23:12.000Well, it's also not going to change, right?
02:23:14.000Like New York is not going to have – the Republicans are not going to win New York.
02:23:38.000But people are just going to have to get fed up.
02:23:41.000And the problem is, if they don't get fed up and they keep voting for the same thing like they seem to do in California and a lot of other places, they're never going to change.
02:23:49.000It's just going to keep getting worse.
02:24:36.000And then things, you know, it's always, if you look on a chart, there's always, generally speaking, over time, there's less crime, less problems, the economy does a little bit better, everybody, the cost of living changes, like,
02:24:52.000your The way you live your life improves overall generally.
02:24:58.000I think if you look at like a thousand years to today, it's obvious.
02:25:09.000All the things that we're doing wrong, it doesn't mean you can't do all the good things that progressive people want to do in terms of funding education and helping people get over drug addiction and homelessness.
02:26:30.000And the problem with drugs being illegal is the same problem they have with prohibition during the, you know, the 19, whatever it was, 30s in this country?
02:27:58.000It's like we're in a screwball, fucked up world where we have things that we've accepted as being okay just because they're grandfathered in.
02:28:51.000Because if you want to fix it, there's only one way to do it.
02:28:53.000And the one way to do it is to regulate it in-house.
02:28:56.000Like, make it in America, regulate it in America, and then use a responsible portion of that for treatment, a lot of that treatment, which should include psychedelics.
02:29:05.000So if you want to make things legal and then set up Ibogaine clinics everywhere.
02:29:10.000I bet you would get a lot of clean people that would ordinarily have a problem.
02:29:15.000But I bet Kat would still be taking nicotine and doing speak.
02:29:18.000I still like nicotine and amphetamines, but I think especially with veterans' mental health, but just really for anybody who wants to do it, even for fun, I think it should be allowed.
02:29:30.000There's a lot of people that have had profound release and Just something that allows them to move on past the death of a loved one.
02:29:41.000There's certain people that get devastated by things and psychedelics have helped them in tremendous ways.
02:29:47.000And they just denied, the FDA just denied, you know, MAPS has run this long-term study on MDMA. And, you know, now they have to go through more studies.
02:29:58.000And it's very unfortunate because people have benefited tremendously from that kind of therapy.
02:30:05.000With veterans, it's like you send them over to these wars, and a lot of people don't come back normal from that.
02:30:12.000How could you expect them to come back normal?
02:30:15.000And people love to say, support the troops, support the troops.
02:30:18.000They don't think about what that really means.
02:30:20.000And it can look a little uglier, a little more complicated than just saying that or wearing a flag pin on your suit.
02:30:28.000And I think in general, when it comes to mental health, we've never talked about mental health more, but people are struggling because we have such little leeway for people who are going through a mental health crisis.
02:30:39.000If you make a mistake, that mistake defines you.
02:31:06.000If you really wanted to help the troops, you would give them access to that stuff because there's been a lot of people that have had tremendous results.
02:31:13.000It's not saying it's going to work for everybody.
02:31:29.000It's crazy that we still have to argue about this in 2024. I know!
02:31:31.000With all the information that we have now on the internet and all the people that have had to go to Costa Rica and have these retreats and come back and be cured of opiate addiction and all these problems that they've had.
02:32:08.000A human being should not be able to tell another human being what they can and cannot do with their life and their body if it doesn't hurt anybody else.
02:32:58.000If you had 100,000 hippies in LA just selling flowers in the street, would that be worse?
02:33:03.000Yeah, I think that psychedelics can be beneficial for people who have trauma, but also for just anybody.
02:33:10.000If you want to be able to experience that, then you should be free to experience that.
02:33:15.000And if it was legal, you'd be able to find out who can and cannot take it.
02:33:20.000Because there's some people, they've got to screw loose, and something goes, and they eat mushrooms, and all of a sudden they think they can fly.
02:33:29.000People get a little nutty, and certain people don't come back, especially acid.
02:33:33.000I've heard some acid stories where people didn't come back.
02:33:35.000Yeah, but I mean, of course, you hear stories about everything.
02:33:38.000But you don't know until you run studies, when things are legal, and you allow people to run these studies, and you come up with effective dosages, you find out what people are allergic to, what's this chemical reaction that people have, maybe certain medications that you shouldn't cross with it.
02:34:43.000And I'm going to tell you why I think they should.
02:34:45.000Then I'm going to ask you some questions about what do you think they do.
02:34:47.000And then you would get a sense over the course of a couple of hours of talking to this person, this person has no fucking business telling people what they can and can't take.
02:34:56.000They're just bureaucrats and they know that there's a certain amount of people that it's going to benefit them to vote in a certain way and state a certain opinion.
02:35:05.000And there's a certain amount of vested interests, a certain amount of special interest groups that would like them to continue to vote in a very specific way.
02:36:06.000You know, I mean, to be able to person who could just gaslight 250 million people on a regular basis, like you have to be out of your mind.
02:36:14.000Like you have to be really a crazy person to stand in front of people and lie about the economy and lie about job numbers and lie about this and lie about that.
02:36:22.000Like, that's the most unpsychedelic perspective ever.
02:36:35.000You're just soothing everything over and making everything seem normal and making it seem like they've done an amazing job and everything's under control.
02:36:42.000For the sake of just upholding the system.
02:38:31.000You also don't hear people waxing poetic.
02:38:33.000I mean, myself included, I'm not going to sit here and be like, well, what alcohol can do is all these really, I mean, can it be fun to get drunk sometimes?
02:38:42.000But it's like, the next day I'm never like, man, I'm so glad that I drank all that booze that really just opened my eyes to think, no, it's, no.
02:38:51.000Well, alcohol's the perfect example of no biological free lunch.
02:40:16.000But if you allowed people control of their consciousness and to have these kind of experiences, you'd have a lot more people that are thinking about things in a lot more considerate and careful way.
02:40:28.000And that's what I think the benefit of it is.
02:41:06.000The guys that I know that train three, four times a week and are really interested in jujitsu, doing it all the time, they're some of the most peaceful, calm, easygoing, measured, even when they talk to people in confrontations, very measured, because they're coming from a place of strength.
02:41:24.000And most men, in particular, they come from a place of trying to pretend they have strength in order to intimidate you to get you on your back foot, get you on the heels.
02:43:54.000I drove away and I thought about it afterwards.
02:43:56.000I was like, why can't it be like that with everything?
02:43:59.000What would help me be like that in every situation to treat every interaction with people as calm as possible and never really get totally upset by anything.
02:44:14.000And I was like, man, that's probably a great tool just for society.
02:44:18.000If yoga was a thing that most people did every day in the morning, what impact would that have just in the overall population of how nice people are to each other?
02:45:49.000Yeah, I think there's something going on that we're a part of that is too big for us to grasp.
02:45:54.000Yeah, I think we're like a hand waving over a fucking earthworm and earthworm has no idea what's going on because I think it's too big.
02:46:01.000I think just the idea of this Infinite space that we live in with who knows how many galaxies, and we're on this planet, and we're making babies, and you're cooking one up inside your body right now, and you're going on stage doing stand-up, and we're having an election, and we might have a nuclear war,
02:46:18.000and all this shit is happening all throughout the universe, all over the place.
02:46:21.000Not just here, but probably in an infinite number of planets everywhere.
02:46:33.000And by the way, the evidence of there being something that's forcing this in a general direction is overwhelming.
02:46:41.000There's something that's – whether it's some natural properties like Brett Weinstein calls it Darwinian evolution, that it applies to everything and things get better and improve and evolve.
02:46:59.000It seems to be moving in a general direction all the time, and that direction is like constant improvement of life forms, of societies, of technology.
02:47:09.000It's moving in this fucking direction.
02:49:27.000I was like, I'll just, and I was, you know, you can't drink on it.
02:49:30.000So I was like, I was having these extreme reactions, stone cold sober.
02:49:33.000But I was on the show sometimes and I would be so depressed and people would be email, I'm getting emails like, you're like acting like a bitch or you're this and that.
02:49:41.000And it's like, no, no, no, you know, I want to kill myself.
02:49:43.000I don't think I'm too good for people.