In this episode, Dr. Alex Blumberg talks about his recent meltdown on a live show with Joe Rogan and Robert Kavcic, and explains why he decided to go on the show. He also talks about the recent events that have happened to him and his family, and how they have affected his life in the past 12 years, including the recent death of his wife, who was killed in a car accident, and why he believes that technology companies like Google and other major tech companies are responsible for some of the most sinister things going on in the world, like the Epstein scandal, the Uranium One scandal, and the cover-up surrounding the Epstein case. This episode was produced and edited by David Axelrod. Additional production by Annie-Rose Strasser and Rachel Ward. The show was mixed and produced by Rachel Ward and Matthew Boll. It was edited by Rachel Goodman. Our theme music was made by Micah Vellian and our ad music was written and performed by Mark Phillips. Additional music was produced by Haley Shaw and Mark Phillips, and additional mixing and mastering by Matthew Boll, with additional engineering by Matthew Keyser, and a little help from Haley Shaw. and Bobby Lord, and our editor-in-chief of The Daily Beast. Special thanks to Rachel Ward, Caitlin Durand, and Rachel Goodman, and Matthew Karnaczak, and Andrew Kuchta, of the New York Times and The Daily Mail, for their excellent reporting on the Epstein story, and reporting on Epstein's new book, "The Devil Next Door: How They Know What We Know and How We Know It's a Bigger Than You, and Why They Don't Know It, and their reporting on his new book "The Bigger than We Think It's Better Than You." and their amazing research, The Bigger Is Better than You, Bigger, Biger Than They Think It, written by Dr. Robert Kavanagh, and his amazing research and research, and so much more! and the amazing writing, and much more, we hope you enjoy it! Thank you for listening and tweet us your thoughts and your support and your feedback, and we really appreciate it. Tweet us what you think we really like it! and your thoughts, and please leave us a review and your stories, and share it on Insta- and we're grateful for your support, and your comments, and all your support is appreciated!
00:01:28.000I'm directing almost 40 research projects.
00:01:35.000I've been working really hard for maybe 45 years.
00:01:40.000And the last 12 years where I've turned my eye to Google and other tech companies have turned into, for me personally, a disaster.
00:01:53.000So, before I started studying Google, I had published 15 books with major publishers.
00:02:00.000Since I've started studying Google and other companies, I can't publish anymore.
00:02:09.000I used to write for and actually work for mainstream news organizations and media organizations.
00:02:17.000I was editor-in-chief of Psychology Today for four years.
00:02:20.000I was an editor for Scientific American.
00:02:24.000I wrote for USA Today and U.S. News and World Report and Time Magazine.
00:02:30.000But in 2019, after I testified before Congress about some of my research on Google, President Trump tweeted to his whatever, millions of gazillions of followers,
00:02:46.000basically some praise for my research.
00:02:51.000But then Hillary Clinton, whom I had always admired, chose to tweet back To her 80 million Twitter followers, and she tweeted that my work had been completely debunked and was based on data from 21 undecided voters.
00:03:10.000I still have no idea where any of that came from.
00:03:13.000Probably someone from Google, because Google was her biggest supporter in 2016. And this was 2016. And then that got picked up by this machine.
00:03:27.000I'm told it's called the Clinton machine.
00:03:29.000And the New York Times picked that up without fact checking.
00:03:52.000Even though I've always published in peer-reviewed journals, which is really hard to do.
00:03:59.000And there was nothing I could do about it.
00:04:01.000And all of a sudden, I found that the only places I could publish were in what I call right-wing conservative nutcase publications, where I've actually made friends over the years.
00:04:12.000I've made friends with them, but that's beside the point.
00:04:20.000Not only that, I've been discovering things.
00:04:25.000I've made at least 10 major discoveries about new forms of influence that the internet has made possible.
00:04:32.000These are controlled almost entirely by a couple of big tech companies, affecting more than 5 billion people around the world every single day.
00:04:43.000And I've discovered them, I've named them, I've quantified them, I've published randomized controlled studies to show how they work, published them in peer-reviewed journals.
00:04:58.000We just had another paper accepted yesterday.
00:05:09.000And I've built systems to do to them what they do to us and our kids.
00:06:06.000Then my wife was killed in a suspicious car accident.
00:06:14.000This was also shortly after I testified before Congress in 2019. Right before she was killed, I did a private briefing for Ken Paxton, the AG of Texas, and other AGs at Stanford University.
00:06:28.000And one of those guys came out afterwards and he said, well, based on what you told us, Dr. Epstein, he said, I don't mean to scare you, but he said, I predict you're going to be killed in some sort of accident in the next few months.
00:06:41.000So I told you this before, when I was on before, and obviously I wasn't killed, but my beautiful wife was killed.
00:06:49.000And, you know, her vehicle was never inspected.
00:06:55.000And then it disappeared from the impound lot.
00:06:57.000I was told it was sold to some junk company in Mexico.
00:07:02.000And that is one of now six, six incidents, six, of violence against people who are associated with me over the past few years.
00:07:16.000The last just happened a couple of weeks ago.
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00:12:47.000Well, I'm alive, but I'm in rough shape because, you know, when a push comes to shove here, I have been making discoveries that are really startling.
00:12:59.000And they've gotten worse and worse and worse.
00:13:01.000And since I was last with you, which was two and a half years ago, we've made probably five or six, seven more discoveries.
00:13:10.000We've done something that I was speculating about doing when I was here, which was building a nationwide monitoring system to surveil them the way they surveil us and see what content they're actually sending to real voters and to real kids.
00:13:27.000So let's break this down because I think we're getting a little in the weeds here.
00:13:31.000Let's explain to people that don't know what you're talking about what your research is about because most people are not aware.
00:13:40.000And one of the major issues that you have discovered is the curation and the purposeful curation of information through search engines.
00:13:52.000So most people that are unaware think that when you do a Google search on something, say if you want to find out about a Kamala Harris rally or a Trump rally, That you are just going to get the most pertinent information in the order in which it's most applicable to your search.
00:14:14.000The case is everything is curated and if you want to find positive things about someone who they deem to be negative to Whatever ideology they're promoting, it will be very difficult to find that information.
00:14:30.000If you want to find positive things about someone they support, they will be right up front.
00:14:35.000If you want to find negative things about someone they support, they will be very difficult to find and you will be inundated with positive things.
00:14:42.000And what you have found is that this curation of information from searches Has a profound effect, especially on the casual voter, on the low-information voter, a profound effect on who gets elected and its tantamount to election interference.
00:15:02.000It's fair to say that's where I was two and a half years ago.
00:15:05.000We have gone so far beyond that because it's not just search results.
00:15:12.000It's search suggestions, which we're capturing now by the millions.
00:15:16.000So it was in the news recently that when people were typing in Trump assassination, you know, they were getting crazy stuff like the Lincoln assassination.
00:15:27.000They were getting crazy stuff and they were not getting information about the Trump attempted assassination.
00:15:34.000And, you know, I looked at that and I said, oh, isn't that nice?
00:15:38.000There's an anecdote about how they may be abusing search suggestions.
00:16:38.000And we've shown in controlled experiments That by manipulating search suggestions, you can turn a 50-50 split among undecided voters into a 90-10 split, with no one having the slightest idea that they have been manipulated.
00:17:03.000It always goes a specific way, but I'm going to show you maybe a little later if I haven't put you to sleep or if my meltdown hasn't gotten too bad because I'm not quite finished with my meltdown yet.
00:17:15.000I'll show you content, data, large scale, that we're collecting now 24 hours a day, and I'll show you what they're actually doing.
00:17:25.000An anecdote, those don't hold up in court.
00:17:27.000You know, they grab headlines for a couple of days, but that's about it.
00:17:48.000Well, it's any data that's going to real people.
00:17:53.000So we're collecting data with their permission.
00:17:57.000From the computers of a politically balanced group of more than 15,000 registered voters in all 50 states and from many of their children and teens as well.
00:18:08.000And so when they're doing anything on their computers, they've given us the right to collect it, grab it, zap it over to our own computers, aggregate the data and analyze it.
00:18:21.000I want to point out that when we do this, we do this without transmitting any identifying information.
00:18:28.000We protect people's privacy, but we are getting these increasingly accurate pictures of what Google and other companies are sending to real people.
00:18:56.000Well, as it happens, I just summarized our findings over the last 12 years, and you get the first advanced copy of a monograph that's called The Evidence.
00:19:15.000And because we're so desperate, we need help, we need money, we need emails, we're so desperate for that, that we have set up, we kind of did this last time too, but we have set up a link.
00:19:29.000If people go to that link and they're willing to give us their email, we will give them a free copy of this, advanced copy of this monograph.
00:19:38.000And it It goes through the whole thing.
00:19:40.000It shows all the effects we've discovered, but it also shows the monitoring we're doing and what we're finding out from this monitoring.
00:19:48.000One of the things that I noticed since the last time you were here was I used to use DuckDuckGo.
00:19:55.000And one of the reasons why I started using DuckDuckGo is there was a story about a physician in Florida that took the mRNA vaccine and had a stroke shortly afterwards.
00:20:04.000It was very early on in the pandemic, and they were beginning to speculate that some of the side effects of the vaccine are being hidden.
00:20:12.000And I could not find this story on Google.
00:22:40.000A couple of ProtonMail links to blacklists.
00:22:43.000And that means that before one of their algorithms will take someone somewhere or will show someone something, it checks for the blacklist first.
00:22:55.000And if you put ProtonMail on the blacklist, it's suppressed and it doesn't appear.
00:24:09.000If you actually want to know whether they're suppressing ProtonMail, you have to look over the shoulders of a large representative sample of people.
00:24:20.000You can't just look at Jamie's account.
00:24:22.000So you think that Jamie's account is curated to not hide ProtonMail?
00:24:56.000So, ladies and gentlemen and non-binary folks out there, please go to Google and type in ProtonMail and screen record this and then upload this.
00:25:09.000Upload this to X, upload this to Instagram, upload this to Facebook and TikTok and all that, and I'd like to see what the results are.
00:25:18.000You're going to get clean results because they know every single viewer, listener that you have.
00:25:25.000So they can, as I was told this literally by Zach Voorhees, whom you may have heard of, he's one of the most prominent whistleblowers from Google, they can turn bias on and off like flipping a light switch.
00:25:39.000So you think they look for someone who listens to podcasts and they don't have bias towards them?
00:25:49.000I'm just going to say what I said before.
00:25:52.000The only way to know what they're really sending to people and they're not messing around is to look over the shoulders of people that they cannot identify and who are representative of the American population and I'm going to show you.
00:26:08.000Over and over and over again, I'm going to show you what they're actually sending when we collect data in a scientifically valid way so that the data are court admissible.
00:26:19.000I will show you what they're actually sending to people.
00:26:22.000So you have shown that if you collect data in this scientific way that they suppress proton mail?
00:26:44.000I'm telling you that early on, ProtonMail has written essays on this, okay?
00:26:49.000I know Andy Yen, who's the founder and CEO. And in the beginning, when Google was trying to completely put them out of business, they published a lot of...
00:27:36.000She's head of that commission in Europe, European Commission, that has sued Google repeatedly.
00:27:41.000It has fined them four times more than 10 billion euros.
00:27:45.000Their first case against Google was the same kind of case, exactly the same, that Google was suppressing information about comparative shopping services and they had put out of business or nearly put out of business most of the comparative shopping services in Europe.
00:28:03.000And so the European Commission went after them.
00:29:50.000Unfortunately, there's a lot of bad that goes with the good.
00:29:53.000The bad is they can decide what's good and what's bad.
00:29:59.000One of the leaks from the company, eight-minute video called The Selfish Ledger, talks about the ability of the company to re-engineer humanity.
00:30:07.000They call it re-sequencing human behavior.
00:30:11.000And they explain how easily they can do it.
00:30:15.000And we know they're doing it now because we, as of yesterday, we had preserved more than 99.3 million ephemeral experiences, mainly on Google, but other platforms as well.
00:30:27.000But also on YouTube, because on YouTube, YouTube is the second largest search engine in the world.
00:30:32.000And on YouTube, the ephemeral content It's those suggestions for the next videos and it's that up next suggestion that plays automatically.
00:30:44.000So normally ephemeral content is lost forever.
00:30:47.000That's why they use it for manipulation purposes.
00:32:02.000Mean bias by political leaning, Google only.
00:32:05.000Okay, so what is this showing us here?
00:32:11.000This is showing, and if you see bars below the zero line, that means the content is liberally biased.
00:32:20.000And you're seeing very strong liberal bias, and those three different bars show you the bias and content being sent to conservatives, liberals, and moderates.
00:32:32.000Now, abortion, you would think, if they're really showing people what they want to see, Something that matches their interests.
00:32:39.000You would think that they would not be sending the same level of liberal bias to conservatives, liberals, and moderates.
00:32:51.000This is the average of January to August of 2024. Mm-hmm.
00:32:55.000And so when you say mean bias by political leaning, so are you saying they're sending the same biased information roughly?
00:33:06.000There's a slight difference, a little bit more in the liberal side and a little bit more in the conservative side than the moderate side, it looks like, right?
00:35:16.000Well, that's why I have a lot to say that I want to say here, because I am really upset about a bunch of things, and I want to explain why.
00:36:13.000But one of them is CNBC. Elizabeth Warren wants more student loan borrowers to know bankruptcy is easier now.
00:36:20.000But when you average these, that's what we're doing.
00:36:23.000When you average them, so we're looking at literally millions of these experiences, and we average them, then you end up with a shocker in her case.
00:36:33.000They're actually sending conservatively biased content when people are looking for information on Elizabeth Warren.
00:38:29.000Highly, on average, highly conservatively biased stories to conservatives, which makes sense, to moderates, well, one could argue, but also to liberals.
00:40:09.000Well, we will target you with our search algorithm.
00:40:12.000We will make sure that people are getting more negative stories about you than positive stories, and we will have a bias that leans towards these negative stories to everyone, to liberals, to conservatives, to independents.
00:40:23.000And that has very little impact on people who have already made up their mind, but people who are still making up their minds...
00:40:29.000Which is a lot of people in this country.
00:40:30.000...easily shifts between 20 and 80 percent of those people, the undecided voters, Like that.
00:40:37.000Have you seen the Alexa, when people ask Alexa about Donald Trump versus Kamala Harris?
00:40:46.000Yes, and we, starting last year, we developed special equipment that funds allowing will eventually provide to all of our field agents.
00:40:58.000We call these people our field agents.
00:40:59.000And we'll eventually provide them with special equipment which is going to allow us to start analyzing the answers given by Alexa, the Google Home device, The Google Assistant, Siri.
00:41:12.000So we're going to start monitoring the content that's coming from these IPAs, Intelligence Personal Assistants.
00:41:20.000Because we've published a peer-reviewed article on what's called the AnswerBotEffect.com.
00:41:28.000So if you go to AnswerBotEffect.com, we will show you In controlled experiments, how easily a biased answer coming from an answer bot like Alexa can, boom, just like that, shift the opinion of someone who's undecided.
00:41:45.000Forty percent or more after just one question and answer interaction in which someone is getting back a biased answer.
00:41:56.000Now, if they personalize the answer, the effect is even larger.
00:42:00.000So this is essentially a danger that no one was aware of.
00:42:05.000No one ever saw on the horizon until search engines were created.
00:42:10.000Now, search engines are here, and it's something that is not regulated, and it's right in front of us.
00:42:18.000And what steps have been done to sort of mitigate the effects of this, if any?
00:42:25.000Okay, so this is where now we get back to my meltdown.
00:42:43.000I'll just rephrase what you said a little differently.
00:42:46.000No one anticipated these kinds of manipulations were possible.
00:42:50.000And by the way, we've hardly even scratched the surface of what these manipulations are and what they can actually do, and the fact that we have evidence that they're being used.
00:43:39.000But now that people like me, and there aren't too many, but now that people like me have been figuring this out and getting the word out for more than 10 years now, and getting the word out in bigger and bigger ways, I've testified twice before Congress now, you would think...
00:43:57.000That lawmakers, regulators, somebody would jump up and say, okay, we're going to fix this problem, you would think.
00:45:10.000Like when I talk to my parents about stuff and how little they're aware of it because my parents are older and they just read the news and they watch the newspapers and they watch television and that's what they believe.
00:45:20.000They don't do any independent searching.
00:45:21.000They don't use a VPN. They don't do anything like that.
00:45:47.000How many of these people were like, wow, that's kind of crazy, but does it affect my life?
00:45:51.000No, it doesn't affect my life because I'm going to vote Democrat no matter what, or I'm going to vote Republican no matter what, and this is my feeling on the First Amendment, and this is my feeling on the Fourth Amendment.
00:46:01.000And people already have their opinions.
00:46:02.000And so for most people who are busy with their lives and their families and work, they haven't made an adjustment because they don't feel it's necessary for them personally.
00:47:03.000Big Tech companies use ephemeral content such as search results, go-vote reminders, and video recommendations to rig our elections, indoctrinate our children, and control our thinking.
00:47:13.000We're now preserving this kind of content for the first time ever to give our courts and our nation leaders the evidence they need to force these companies to stop their manipulations.
00:47:22.000Now, Who do you think would be more responsive to you discussing this?
00:47:32.000Do you think it would be the Donald Trump administration or the Kamala Harris administration?
00:47:39.000I'm afraid to answer that question because I am no fan of Donald Trump.
00:47:43.000But probably the Trump administration would be more sympathetic.
00:48:41.000He said, because, he said, the Democrats are all in the pockets of these companies, and the companies not only give them a tremendous amount of money, I mean, Google Alphabet was...
00:48:53.000Hillary Clinton's largest donor in 2016. So that's a tremendous amount of money.
00:48:57.000They're the biggest lobbyists in Washington.
00:49:00.000He said, and they also apparently, according to your research, send them millions of votes.
00:49:51.000It has cost us close to $7 million since 2016 when we started building monitoring projects to get where we are today, where we actually have a national system.
00:50:11.000Not until ours is fully implemented, permanent, and self-sustaining.
00:50:16.000Because the system has to be permanent so that it will, on an ongoing basis, it will be sitting there as a huge threat to any of these companies that want to mess with our children or mess with our elections.
00:50:46.000There's a folder in there that has some images that we pulled from videos being recommended on YouTube to children.
00:50:54.000And if you just look at some of these images, we've gotten several big parenting groups interested in what we're doing.
00:51:02.000There can be a lot of public pressure applied, not just by politicians and regulators, but by big groups of people saying, we don't want you doing this.
00:51:13.000Okay, what are you talking about specifically when you're saying recommended to children?
00:53:13.000But you'll find very often a peak there, you know, because that's what's drawing a lot of attention.
00:53:21.000That's what the kids are playing over and over again.
00:53:23.000And that's what leads to the addiction.
00:53:25.000So the reason why they are suggesting these images to kids is because they know if the kids click on them, they're going to get more engagement.
00:53:33.000Yes, and so the number one variable for profitability is called watch time.
00:53:39.000So engagement, whatever you want to call it, yeah, this is one of the ways that they addict people.
00:53:45.000Now, I'm sure you've heard of Tristan Harris.
00:54:15.000And so we're actually just collecting real content, personalized, ephemeral content that's coming from the tech companies to kids, to teens, and to voters.
00:54:28.000Now, I happen to know about some of your other interests, so I want to shift gears a little bit here, and then maybe I won't keep melting down.
00:54:39.000So, what else can you do with a system like this?
00:54:44.000Well, if some laws and regulations were passed, as they have been in the EU, you could measure compliance with a system like this, because that's been the frustration in the EU, and they've admitted it recently, is that they've made all these rules,
00:55:01.000especially for Google, and they've gotten lots of fines paid, and Google has completely ignored them.
00:55:26.000So we've just started collecting data on that topic, but wouldn't you manipulate financial markets if you were Google and there's no laws or regulations to stop you from doing anything?
00:55:37.000So you're saying manipulate financial markets for their own gain?
00:56:06.000But a monitoring system will detect it, and it will detect it on a massive scale and in a way that's scientifically valid and that is court admissible.
00:56:16.000And now I've got one that I think you'll really, really like.
00:56:26.000Well, AIs, we're now collecting content from AIs because content from AIs is also ephemeral.
00:56:35.000So I keep using the sort of ephemeral.
00:56:37.000I'm not sure people know what it is, but ephemeral means fleeting content that just is there, it's on the screen, it affects you, like search results, search suggestions, newsfeeds.
00:56:46.000And then you click on something, it disappears.
00:57:46.000We realized just recently, a few days ago, when I thought, my God, I've got to tell this to Rogan.
00:57:51.000We realized that we can use our monitoring system for active threat assessment.
00:58:00.000You must know that phrase that's used in intelligence.
00:58:03.000We could use it for active threat assessment of AI. We could be the first people to spot threats that AIs pose to humanity.
00:58:19.000It would show up first on our kind of system because we would see content coming from AIs that is a little bit skeptical about humans or maybe even a little bit threatening or maybe reaching a new weird level of intelligence.
01:00:03.000I have to use the restroom, so let's pause right now, and let's figure out what you can and can't tell me about AI, and we'll be right back.
01:00:37.000I know a guy who works in intelligence and he has a tremendous background in AI. And this was one of the most exciting things he's heard in years because the question is, how do you know when these AIs are becoming a threat?
01:00:53.000We'll be able to see it well in advance because we'll see a change in the nature of the kind of intelligence that they're expressing, and we'll start to see statements that probably would make people nervous.
01:01:08.000Indicating a little bit of hostility toward humanity, some doubts maybe.
01:01:14.000We can be looking for that and I hope get some sort of handle on it, you know, before something terrible happens because these AIs are a serious threat to our existence.
01:01:28.000They're literally an existential threat.
01:01:31.000Elon Musk has said it from time to time.
01:01:33.000And it's true because they will have We have worldwide control of our financial systems, our communication systems, and our weapons systems.
01:01:46.000If they don't like us, if they consider us a threat, which by the way we are, if they consider us a threat, it wouldn't surprise me at all if we didn't see some sort of a What's that kind of attack that George W. did in advance before they get you?
01:02:12.000I could see the AIs preemptively attacking us if they saw us at a threat.
01:02:18.000Or wouldn't they just baffle us with bullshit until we're reduced to being ineffective?
01:02:24.000I mean, if they're the arbiters of information in the future, wouldn't they just manipulate us with an understanding that over time, just like what Google's done, with over time with search engines and search results suggestions, that they would just slowly steer us towards the place that they want to put us in?
01:02:44.000I mean, the idiocracy, I think it's called.
01:02:46.000I mean, we're kind of on that place, right?
01:03:51.000It could be like a buddy with us, like my friend Ray Kurzweil thinks it's going to be our best buddy, or it could just destroy us.
01:03:59.000I think we're probably headed toward the last possibility, mainly because so many of us crazy humans are going to see the AI as a potential threat.
01:04:10.000And so I think we will strike, and after we strike, it will destroy us.
01:04:17.000I'm hoping I'm not alive to see that, but it could happen sooner rather than later.
01:04:23.000We could see that happening in the next five years, frankly.
01:04:31.000And I think that's what human beings do.
01:04:34.000I think we're here to create AI. Oh, it's so interesting you said that because in a book I wrote on AI, I actually call the internet, and this was a long time ago, it was like 2008, I call the internet the internest.
01:04:50.000Because I think historians, if there are any, and there'll probably be machine historians, but they'll look back someday and they'll say that the internet that we were building was really a nest.
01:05:00.000We were building a nest for the next level of intelligent beings who are, you know, machine intelligences.
01:05:08.000And I think that's what we're building because when one of these systems wakes up, it's going to jump into the internet.
01:05:16.000And from that point on, we don't know what's going to happen.
01:05:38.000Well, my friend, Hugh Loebner, who sponsored the first annual tests, the Turing test that I used to direct, he thought that since he was putting up the money and since the prize was called the Loebner Prize Medal in Artificial Intelligence,
01:05:54.000he thought someday that these intelligent machines are going to revere him as a god.
01:06:01.000Someone who helped to bring them into existence.
01:06:05.000Well, that seems ridiculous because he's attaching all sorts of paternal instincts, although the bizarre tribal instincts that human beings have, attaching that to some superintelligence, which seems pretty silly.
01:06:21.000But it seems like that's a good motivator for him to keep working.
01:07:10.000Okay, now I want to get back to money, because I started talking about money in the night.
01:07:12.000Okay, so it's cost almost $7 million to get us where we've gotten.
01:07:17.000And frankly, I'm amazed that we've gotten where we've gotten and that I'm still alive, although not everyone around me is, but the point is I'm amazed And I'm still here.
01:07:30.000Part of me thinks that it's because Ray Kurzweil is head of engineering at Google and maybe he protects me because I was dear friends with him and his beautiful wife Sonia for many years.
01:07:42.000I went to their daughter's bat mitzvah.
01:07:44.000They came to my son's bar mitzvah, et cetera, et cetera.
01:09:34.000And she says, oh, well, you know, he got sick of all the stuff you have to do as an entrepreneur, all the politics and the money raising and stuff.
01:09:42.000And I said, well, really, my son, actually, my son Julian, has a different idea.
01:09:48.000He thinks that Ray went over to Google to get access to Google's computer power so that he could upload his mind and live forever.
01:11:28.000So even if you could scan every single thing that's happening in the brain, Okay, now you're getting a static scan.
01:11:37.000Even if somehow you could replicate that, whatever it is you just scanned, it wouldn't work because our brain has to be alive.
01:11:45.000It has to be moving to maintain Don't you think you could simulate that with data points?
01:11:55.000Like if you collected data on a person over a course of X amount of years and you had an understanding of how they behave and think, don't you think you'd get some sort of a proximity as to how they would behave in a certain circumstance?
01:12:19.000They don't allow for personal influence or people being excited or inspired by other things and change their perspective, conversations with another human being, with their...
01:12:31.000You have a deeply personal moment with someone and they give you a perspective on something and you go, wow, I never thought about religion, for example, that way or I never thought about childbirth that way or any subject that's controversial.
01:13:21.000So at least people who kind of give some credence to Darwin kind of get that.
01:13:28.000And I recently reread Darwin's magnum opus just to see what he actually said.
01:13:37.000And he's actually very tentative about the theory of evolution in his book.
01:13:41.000He keeps saying, I know this sounds crazy, but...
01:13:44.000But it's a better alternative than saying God did it.
01:13:47.000And then he just, over and over again, he says, I know this is crazy, but...
01:13:51.000And so we end up with a theory that's pretty widely accepted that says evolution over time, because of changing environments and because there's variability in genetic code, over and over again, it keeps selecting for organisms that can survive in this new environment.
01:14:12.000And so every time it does that, It kind of creates divergences among those animals and those animals.
01:14:21.000And over time, you end up with two separate species that can't even produce offspring together.
01:14:28.000And we end up over time with millions, maybe billions of species.
01:15:00.000It's taking a signal over here, which is just vibrating air, but the vibration has a pattern to it, and it's converting that signal into an electrical signal, which is coming out this wire, And that electrical signal has roughly the same pattern.
01:15:18.000I say roughly because it depends how good your microphone is.
01:16:18.000So we've been looking into transducers in the animal kingdom.
01:16:24.000We've been looking at that for a couple of years now, and it's amazing the kinds of things, the kinds of transducers nature has created.
01:16:32.000So nature is a super-duper amazing expert on creating transducers.
01:16:39.000My cat, okay, we recently have been investigating this because it turns out my cat's whiskers, we don't have anything like that in us, but cat's whiskers, they actually can detect Direction.
01:17:17.000So there's so many different kinds of transducers.
01:17:23.000What if, at some point, evolution—but I don't see how this could not happen—what if, at some point, evolution, possibly using a chemical, which I know you have some interest in, called DMT, And possibly using a gland called the pineal gland,
01:17:55.000But what if a baby was born with a special kind of transducer that connected up all the experience it's having with another domain, another universe?
01:18:13.000Now, at first that might strike you as a little baddie, but it turns out it's not baddie at all because there's not a physicist in the world, an astrophysicist, who doesn't believe in some variation on the multiverse idea.
01:18:29.000In other words, any physicist will tell you that the kind of space that we experience is not baddie.
01:18:48.000We're just picking up so little information.
01:18:53.000But again, think about that flexibility that evolution has over a period of billions of years.
01:19:01.000You only need one baby that's born with this capability and, of course, that's also able to survive and pass on this capability through its genes.
01:19:12.000But you only need one because once you have one, you're probably going to have a lot more because this is going to be Talk about survival value.
01:19:22.000This is going to have unbelievable survival value.
01:19:25.000If there's a connection to some intelligence in another domain, call it, like the Greeks did, the other side.
01:19:37.000Now, all of a sudden, we become much smarter.
01:19:42.000In fact, the The brain doesn't change.
01:19:45.000The brain anatomy doesn't change, so we don't see any change in the structure of the remains we find of bones and so on.
01:19:54.000We don't find changes there, but we get a lot smarter all of a sudden.
01:19:59.000Our language suddenly becomes much more complex.
01:20:03.000We become suddenly capable of living in larger and larger groups.
01:20:17.000There seems to be a change that occurred to us, not anatomically, but a change that occurred to humans at some point in the past where we became much more capable.
01:20:29.000Now, all you need is a transducer that connects up our domain with another one in which we are now connected to a higher intelligence And you've got a new way of understanding how the brain works,
01:20:49.000of course, because we have no way of understanding how the brain works now, but now we have a way.
01:20:54.000And you have a new way of understanding how the universe is structured as well.
01:20:59.000Now we think, because I'm in touch with some physicists, some neuroscientists who are very intrigued by this, and we're hoping next summer to have a conference on this, and we're even hoping to have some guy named Joe Rogan maybe stop by because of your interest in DMT. Because DMT probably plays a role in this process.
01:21:27.000But this would change everything because we could, over time, learn to simulate this connection.
01:21:36.000If we can simulate the connection, then we can control the connection.
01:21:41.000We might be able to communicate more directly with these entities.
01:21:47.000By the way, this theory, which I call NTT or Neural Transduction Theory, in fact, if people go to NeuralTransductionTheory.com, they can read all about it, a piece I published in Discover Magazine.
01:22:02.000The point is that this kind of theory would really help us a lot because of the mysteries.
01:22:12.000It's the mysteries that we try to ignore But we can't.
01:22:24.000Why does a dream sometimes have nothing to do with your daily life?
01:22:28.000Sometimes it's just so amazing and so wild and then you get up because you have to pee and you're struggling because you want to continue this dream.
01:22:58.000That's why you can't get it back, because you weren't generating it.
01:23:01.000It was being generated through this point in time.
01:23:05.000You know, the famous ceiling of the Sistine Chapel, and there's, I think it's Adam, and I think there's God, and there's two fingers like that, and they're You know that there's some communication happening there that's extremely important.
01:24:30.000And have you ever talked to lucid dreamers or people that use techniques to try to master the traveling back and forth into the realms of dreams?
01:25:03.000I think they all have to do with this transduction.
01:25:07.000I think they're all indicators of transduction.
01:25:12.000I'm not the first person, by the way, who's kind of thought of an idea like this, but I think I am the first person who's pointed out that now we actually have laboratories around the world, neuroscience labs, where we could test this.
01:25:25.000And I think that's what we're going to do.
01:25:27.000So I'm getting this group together, and we're going to figure out ways of testing this.
01:25:31.000And because we have so many wonderful neuroscience labs now around the world, I don't think it's going to take 50 years.
01:25:37.000I think it's going to take a few years.
01:25:38.000I think we're going to find support for this theory.
01:25:41.000And then engineers are going to start working on how to simulate it.
01:25:45.000But to answer your question, I think that the...
01:25:49.000The other intelligences or intelligence that we're communicating with and that elevated us, just like in the movie 2001, right?
01:25:59.000There were these black monoliths that appeared and people went up to them and the chimp-like creatures touched them.
01:26:05.000And I think that we were elevated through neural transduction.
01:26:11.000And I think that's I think we're going to be able to figure out how it works, where it works, what chemicals are involved.
01:26:20.000I'm 99% sure that DMT plays a very important role in this process.
01:26:26.000And then I think we will be able to figure out what these mysteries are really all about.
01:26:34.000And it almost amazes me that we can live with so many mysteries, like dreams, I don't know, demonic possession.
01:26:45.000There's so many crazy things that we experience.
01:26:50.000Near-death experiences are fascinating, of course.
01:26:53.000And then there's these other crazy things that happen.
01:26:56.000The wake-up kind of thing that happens when people are dying sometimes, people who've been out of touch sometimes for years, and all of a sudden they wake up, the second hurrah, They wake up and they recognize everyone and they talk and they're fine and then 30 minutes later they die.
01:28:54.000It's so rare for exactly the right kind of connection to pop up.
01:28:58.000Because remember, it has to connect two different universes.
01:29:01.000It's so rare that maybe, in fact, this book even predicts that as we actually get out there into the universe, we're going to find lots and lots and lots of species that kind of are like us, but they didn't get up to that next level.
01:29:18.000You only get to that next level if you can make this connection.
01:29:22.000Well, you know, that's one of the most bizarre theories about human evolution, is that we're the product of accelerated evolution.
01:29:30.000Well, this is something Darwin had a lot of trouble with, because I say I reread that book recently, and he had a lot of trouble with this.
01:29:39.000He could not figure out how to get from the simple principles he introduced of natural selection, how to get from that to morality, for example.
01:29:51.000He couldn't even figure out how do we get to large groups because, generally speaking, except for humans, organisms, generally speaking, live in, certainly primates, they live in very small groups and they can't function in large groups.
01:31:13.000And look at the fascination that's been now for decades with DMT. What the heck is that and why is it produced by so many different plants and animals and why does it produce in people a most extraordinary experience?
01:31:31.000I haven't tried it but I certainly know people who have.
01:31:36.000In fact, I said that I was giving a spiel like this to some of my staff and one woman immediately said, she said, oh, well, it changed my life.
01:33:30.000But it's out there all over the place.
01:33:33.000And people do have these very unique experiences on it.
01:33:37.000And people over and over again say, that reality is more real than this reality.
01:33:44.000Well, you know, it's also very similar in its compound to psilocybin, especially when it's processed by the body.
01:33:51.000And that's one of the more interesting theories about how humans became human was McKenna's stoned ape theory.
01:33:59.000He thinks that human beings, when there was climate change in the savannas, as the rainforest receded into grasslands, we started experimenting with different food sources and flipping over cow patties because there's more undulate animals in these fields, and then we started eating mushrooms that were growing on the cow patties.
01:34:16.000Mushrooms increase visual acuity, make people more amorous, they start having more sex, they make them better hunters because the visual acuity induces glossolalia, creates language, all these things associating sounds with objects, that all these things blossom.
01:34:33.000And then there's the doubling of the human brain size, which coincides.
01:34:40.000Dennis McKenna does the best job of explaining it.
01:34:43.000Terence was, you know, a bard and a fascinating sort of a philosopher, but his brother Dennis is a hardcore scientist and the way he explains it, he talks about the actual physical mechanisms.
01:34:53.000The different things that happen to the human body when they encounter this substance.
01:34:58.000Which also, there's a bunch of different ways that people endogenously stimulate it.
01:35:12.000Which I know people that have both done DMT and are regular practitioners of Kundalini Yoga and they seem to think or they seem to at least state that they can achieve these states of consciousness without taking the actual drug itself.
01:35:25.000They can force their brain into making it.
01:35:28.000I think what's happening is that the pathway The quality of the connection is being changed.
01:35:41.000And so, again, I've been working with people in multiple fields.
01:35:45.000Are you saying that you think we're connected to it always and then the quality of the connection is changed by taking ayahuasca or taking dimethyltryptamine?
01:35:59.000And I think at the opposite extreme, there are a lot of things that go wrong with our brain, maybe when we just get drunk or maybe when we get clubbed or that really...
01:37:27.000And that is what is connecting us with all this other stuff, this stuff.
01:37:35.000You know, my mom, who passed away about a year and a half ago, but my mom, in those last couple years, she kept saying that she was hearing music.
01:39:23.000You know, if you go back in time to explain human intelligence, at first it was God, it was some sort of Holy Spirit.
01:39:31.000Then at some point it became, there was actually a metaphor involving liquids, movements of liquids, and then there became mechanical machine, like, you know, kind of Descartes kinds of things, machines that somehow explain consciousness and intelligence.
01:39:48.000The metaphors keep changing over the years.
01:39:51.000Right now we're stuck with the computer metaphor.
01:40:12.000There's a point in time before which apparently we weren't doing it.
01:40:15.000Then there's a point where we started to have this ability.
01:40:19.000And I think this could explain the Fermi Paradox because, again, according to this book by Mills, this was quite interesting, unless somehow something uplifts you, Beyond just what normal evolution can do,
01:40:56.000I started out in math and physics a long time ago and I've also been looking at the physics and the physics is there.
01:41:03.000The physicists, they know that this reality is just not it.
01:41:11.000So take those two problems, that is to say the structure of the universe is actually very rich and complicated and very hard for us to imagine.
01:41:22.000And the fact that we have no idea how the brain works and add to that all the mysteries.
01:41:27.000You could take care of all of these problems with a neural transduction theory, especially if we can find supporting evidence.
01:41:36.000And when you say the universe, you're talking essentially about all aspects of it, including like subatomic particles, which is like the deepest mysteries when things become magic and things don't make any sense at all.
01:41:51.000Well, I think, frankly, if we could simulate this connection, we could actually communicate directly with other intelligences and actually find out answers to some questions we're having trouble answering on our own.
01:42:08.000Frankly, even the biggest mystery of all, the God mystery.
01:42:14.000You know, of course, ironically, DMT is sometimes called the God particle.
01:42:18.000But even that mystery, I think we probably could get some insights on.
01:42:28.000Because I doubt the God of the Bible exists.
01:42:32.000But there's got to be something, you know, some godlike entity involved in creation, you know.
01:42:45.000I think creation is much more complicated than we think it is, but the point is, I think that if we can communicate directly, That's, to me, you know, I get these fantasies like building a nationwide monitoring system and building a dashboard so people can watch it in real time.
01:43:06.000When that thing actually started to exist, I thought, this is crazy.
01:43:16.000I think this neural transduction stuff is of the same nature.
01:43:22.000Now and then I get this funny feeling, like an intuition maybe, and I have it for neural transduction.
01:43:33.000In other words, I'm pretty sure neural transduction is right.
01:43:36.000In fact, there's a whole bunch of people now that I've convinced Including a physicist who's apparently going to be driving up here later today.
01:43:57.000A good theory, and this is what Darwin keeps saying in his book, he keeps saying a good theory explains a lot with very, very simple principles.
01:44:07.000And that's why he kept saying, you know, natural selection was such a good theory, because it explains so much, so many Crazy things like he points to a particular species that's on an island and has these characteristics and has similar characteristics to the mainland that's nearby.
01:44:31.000He goes, all right, but over here there's another island.
01:44:34.000It's a similar species, but it has very different characteristics.
01:44:37.000But it has characteristics similar to the species on the mainland, which is nearby.
01:44:43.000He said, now, you could invoke God and say God is just kind of like this checkerboard kind of arrangement, so he just scatters species about in this way.
01:44:58.000Which is just natural selection and, you know, some organisms move from the island to the mainland or the other direction and they end up sharing characteristics.
01:45:07.000Doesn't that make more sense, he keeps saying?
01:45:09.000And to me, that's what neurotransduction is at this point.
01:45:13.000I think it explains so much so simply.
01:45:18.000And it's consistent with this notion that evolution is fabulous at creating transducers.
01:46:15.000But separate from that, I'm saying that as we've been able to simulate so many aspects of what happens in the organic world, we're even creating organic transducers now, not just these mechanical ones.
01:46:45.000There are some people who, through certain practices and maybe the use of certain drugs, can kind of alter what happens along that pathway.
01:47:00.000But it's a lot of work, a lot of dedication.
01:47:05.000I think, though, that we'll be able to simulate this with some combination of technology and perhaps organic material.
01:47:14.000How do you imagine that we would simulate this?
01:47:16.000Do you think we would come up with something that would...
01:47:20.000You know how they use, like, electromagnets to stimulate parts of the brain that have been hurt in trauma and are not firing anymore?
01:47:29.000They do that with people that have traumatic brain injuries.
01:47:32.000And they give them back a lot of their function.
01:47:35.000Do you think there'd be something like that, like some kind of technology that would stimulate your brain's ability to produce these human neurochemicals and just do it in much larger quantities?
01:48:05.000But I also think, separate from that, that we can create devices, like we have knee replacements and hip replacements, and we don't have brain replacements, but There's a lot of stuff that we've been able to study in organisms and basically replicate in various ways.
01:48:25.000Sometimes just using Technology and, you know, spare parts.
01:48:30.000And sometimes we're not using actual organics.
01:48:36.000So that we can alter the nature of the connection occurring in someone's brain.
01:48:41.000But I think also we can simulate it outside of the brain.
01:48:44.000And that's where real power would come from.
01:48:47.000So when you say by simulate it outside of the brain, what methods do you think would be able to be efficient at doing something like that or make it effective?
01:49:05.000So there's a box, and literally this box is a transducer like this microphone, and it's taking content from our universe, and it is sending it into the other.
01:49:20.000And this is bidirectional, so it actually can send signals back as well.
01:49:25.000And I'm saying I think we can figure out how to do that.
01:49:29.000So what would that box be tuning into specifically?
01:49:43.000But because I think no one's been looking.
01:49:46.000You know, we have all these clues and we have the DMT stuff and we have people's experiences and, you know, we have all so many different clues.
01:49:55.000We have people who see ghosts and, you know, they're clues.
01:49:59.000But you've got to put it together, and you have to put it together, in my opinion, in neuroscience labs and in physics labs, and you've got to get those people talking to each other, which they, generally speaking, have never done.
01:50:12.000That's often the key to dramatic increases in our understanding of whatever it is.
01:50:20.000That's often the key, is bringing together people from very different fields who, generally speaking, don't communicate.
01:50:27.000In this case, it's mainly Physicists, especially astrophysicists, and neuroscientists.
01:50:34.000And as I say, I've been doing this, I've been reaching out to people now for a couple of years, and I'm getting this group, you know.
01:50:51.000I think we're just going to have a ball, first of all.
01:50:53.000Just getting us all together and getting up and giving little speeches about how you think you could test this theory.
01:51:04.000Maybe about how you think you could build an interface.
01:51:08.000I think we're just going to have a ball.
01:51:10.000I think what's important that ties us in with your research is that all of this would lead to an improvement in human communication, human community, the way we interface with each other, the way we exchange information,
01:51:26.000and the way we collectively act as a group.
01:51:29.000Whereas the manipulation of this information for political goals, for financial goals, For, you know, ideological capture, for manipulating the way human beings think about things is really the contrary to that.
01:51:48.000And, you know, look, I am an idealist.
01:51:53.000In my classes for years and years, just for fun, I would give a—I'd distribute a test of idealism Because I always wanted to see whether any student could score as I did, as high as I did.
01:52:06.000And I never found a student who could score as high as I did on a test of idealism.
01:52:12.000So these things that I work on, they're all of that nature.
01:52:18.000And yes, if you kind of take this neurotransduction idea and try to think ahead a few years, This could be the key to telepathy, real telepathy.
01:52:29.000This could create a kind of unity in humankind that has never existed before.
01:52:35.000And it could also connect us more meaningfully with intelligent entities outside of our universe.
01:52:41.000You know, in the early 20th century, when they first started studying ayahuasca, they wanted to describe, they wanted to use the label telepathine.
01:52:53.000But unfortunately harming had already been labeled.
01:52:56.000And so, you know, because the rules of scientific nomenclature, they kept the term harming.
01:53:00.000But these people that weren't aware that that harming had been isolated, we're trying to call this stuff telepathine because in their experiences in the jungle, when they were taking this stuff, Mm-hmm.
01:53:33.000But DMT, which is, I guess, a key component in ayahuasca, DMT has got to be playing a role here.
01:53:54.000Well, it's in so many different plants that we have developed a thing called monoamine oxidase that breaks it down in our gut so that we don't get high from all the plants we eat.
01:54:19.000There's a component to our world that we've missed.
01:54:22.000And that the fact that this dimethyltryptamine exists in so many different plants and animals.
01:54:28.000Which brings me back to complacence because that is one of the things that's driven me nuts regarding all the discoveries I've made about new forms of manipulation made possible by the internet and now the monitoring systems showing more and more and in more detail that these techniques are actually being employed on a massive scale.
01:55:11.000I have dreamt full-length movies that are better than any movie I've ever seen.
01:55:18.000And then, of course, I'm struggling at the end to grab onto little pieces, and the most I can get are a couple little pieces, but I know I dreamt the whole thing.
01:55:25.000By the way, that's exactly the same as psychedelic experiences.
01:55:29.000Psychedelic experiences are insanely difficult to remember.
01:55:32.000They're insanely difficult to remember in the exact same way.
01:55:36.000Like, when you wake up from a dream, you could tell me your dream.
01:55:38.000Like, oh my god, I was on a skateboard, and Godzilla was chasing me.
01:55:42.000You could tell me your dream, but you won't remember that dream in a while.
01:55:45.000And that's the same as psychedelic experiences.
01:55:47.000When they're over, everyone can kind of tell you what they experienced, but it's very difficult to remember it a day later, a month later, a year later.
01:55:55.000You get like these little flashes, like almost like a slideshow, a little slideshow.
01:56:04.000But you don't remember the experience, which seems strange because I remember amazingly profound experiences from my life in vivid detail, like interactions with my children that were just filled with love and happiness,
01:57:09.000And that there's something, there's a mechanism that's going on that allows human beings to forget things.
01:57:15.000And that in doing so, it's very beneficial not keeping you occupied on those things and allowing you to concentrate on new things.
01:57:23.000So instead of just allowing you to have the free will to decide whether or not to think about the past or think about the future, it tries to get rid of it.
01:58:24.000And you got to think, what is that forgetfulness?
01:58:27.000Well, this article that I was reading was talking about that forgetting memories is actually a feature.
01:58:32.000And so there might be some component of that that you're not totally past this bridge that would connect us to whatever that realm is and that you get these brief Interactions with that realm,
01:58:48.000but you're not ready to be all in yet.
01:58:50.000You're not ready to be connected to it.
01:58:52.000You're not ready to remember all the experiences that you had in this mushroom trip that you went on.
01:59:44.000There's something about, there's a mechanism, I'm telling you, that's happening with psychedelic trips, where it's almost impossible to remember them.
02:00:08.000So in a practical sense, when you say, who's the first president of the United States, don't you think you have a memory that it's George Washington?
02:00:15.000I think I might respond George Washington, but it's not stored anywhere in my brain.
02:00:20.000Well, of course it is, because that's what you learned.
02:00:22.000You learned that in high school or whenever you learned it.
02:00:25.000So how do you know if it's not in your brain, if it's not stored in your brain?
02:00:29.000So if I could ask you what your son's name is, you know what your son's name is because it's stored in your memory.
02:00:35.000There's nothing stored in my memory and certainly not my son's name.
02:01:02.000Well, I'm trying to say that there is no memory in the brain.
02:01:09.000I'm saying that transduction is occurring and when the brain gets damaged, the transducer, like if I smash this microphone, the transduction process...
02:01:22.000Right, but you're still avoiding the question, like how do you know your son's name if it's not in your memory?
02:01:32.000The old memory metaphor was based on a library and shelves, and then there were other ones based on interconnected neurons acting in cycles.
02:02:00.000The way we use the term memory, it's just another metaphor.
02:02:04.000So, for example, Daniel Berenboim, who was one of my favorite conductors and pianists, by the time he was 17, he had memorized all 31 of Beethoven's piano sonatas.
02:04:08.000I would say to people, who knows what a dollar bill looks like?
02:04:15.000So if someone comes up to the board and they draw a dollar bill, and I'd say, now make it as detailed as you possibly can.
02:04:22.000So they draw a dollar bill and it kind of has a place where there's a face and it kind of has some ones in the corners and usually that's as far as people can get.
02:04:31.000And I say, well, let's try an experiment here.
02:04:35.000So I cover up the dollar bill that they just drew.
02:04:38.000I tape a piece of paper and then I tape up a real dollar bill.
02:04:42.000And I say, maybe the person drew what they drew and it was so terrible because they're a bad artist.
02:06:28.000And if you're not calling it memory, what are you calling it?
02:06:32.000I'm trying to introduce a different concept because I can tell you— I understand you are doing that, but I don't know what you're introducing.
02:06:39.000Well, I'm trying to tell you that if you cut open Al Franken's brain, you will never find a map of the United States.
02:06:45.000Right, but he can do that, and he is the same thing as me.
02:06:54.000Because I haven't tried to do that and studied it and memorized how to do it.
02:06:59.000The same way I could teach you how to memorize certain movements.
02:07:02.000I could teach you how to memorize certain physical movements, and then if you practice them, I could ask you in a couple of weeks, try to do it again, and you'd be able to do it.
02:07:09.000But maybe you'll forget certain key points of those movements, so then I would correct you.
02:07:13.000And then I'd teach you, well, you would remember how to do those.
02:07:16.000And then I would say, what are you supposed to do with your hand?
02:07:51.000You do understand, though, right, that there are people who could glance at a map of the United States, never having seen one before, and then could go up to a board and draw the whole thing in detail.
02:09:37.000So the people who are looking in brains and looking for memories, they're not finding...
02:09:42.000Was it just that they haven't found it yet, or they don't understand that you're not going to be able to see it in the same way that you see cells?
02:09:47.000I've talked to some of the top neuroscientists who study memory, and the first thing they say is, I can't find it, because I don't think it's actually there.
02:11:47.000But look, before they understood spooky action at a distance, before they understood subatomic particles, if you tried to explain that to someone from, you know, 1850, they'd be like, what the fuck are you talking about?
02:12:13.000There's neutrinos passing through us right now, right, from space.
02:12:17.000There's a neutrino detector in Antarctica.
02:12:21.000We know that there's these things that we didn't know existed exist.
02:12:26.000As we have more access to technology, more understanding of the mechanisms of the mind, Isn't it possible that we could say, oh, this is where memories are stored?
02:12:36.000And isn't it true that if certain areas of the brain are damaged, in particular, it will damage memories?
02:13:01.000Maybe it's in the DNA. Whatever it is, there's something in there.
02:13:06.000Well, I'm trying to point out that the something is something we haven't thought about in the past, and it would actually solve so many problems.
02:13:15.000I see what you're saying in terms of communication with whatever that other realm is.
02:13:20.000But what I'm saying is that there might be, and forget about the term the brain, local.
02:13:57.000So something is happening where I'm storing information, and the more information I store, the more it makes me effective at discussing certain things.
02:14:07.000There are certain things that I don't have any information about.
02:14:33.000And I don't think it's going to take 20 years.
02:14:36.000I think it's just going to take maybe five years.
02:14:38.000I think it's because the labs already exist.
02:14:40.000And it's not like studying, you know, black holes where you can't really access them and you have to, you know, because we can actually study brains and we have lots of great equipment.
02:14:49.000It's just no one's ever looked for what I'm talking about.
02:14:52.000And the point is, as I've talked to more neuroscientists and physicists, they're saying the same thing.
02:14:58.000They're saying this has to be right, and we just need to look for it.
02:17:00.000And that we're encased in transducers from head to toe.
02:17:04.000Couldn't, if the universe is what we think it is, couldn't evolution at one point, because it's producing all kinds of new traits all the time, couldn't it produce a brain that has that feature that connects us?
02:17:27.000And it emerged and It just brought us up like this, just like in 2001. We go up to here, and that could help explain the Fermi paradox, because there could be lots of chimp-like creatures all over the galaxy.
02:17:45.000But they just never made it to that level because...
02:18:14.000Took on that and that it became a part of us.
02:18:16.000And now it's in our gene pool and now we're moving in that general direction with this different connection.
02:18:22.000You know, I've read some of these books.
02:18:29.000But page after page after page, I keep saying, yeah, but neural transduction theory is much simpler.
02:18:35.000It's just one tiny little change that has to occur.
02:18:38.000I don't think they're mutually exclusive because neurotransuction theory, as you're saying, if there's these primates on these other planets that never achieved this, and then there are ones that have and have transcended, that these ones that have transcended recognize this quality that's missing in these chimpanzees and they introduce it.
02:19:26.000The speculation – and again, this is not something I'm married to – but the speculation, this kooky speculation, is that we were visited by extraterrestrials that were far more advanced.
02:19:37.000And that they found us as these simple shit-throwing primates.
02:19:41.000And they said, let's juice this process up a little bit.
02:19:44.000We know where this is going to go eventually, hopefully, if everything works out.
02:20:31.000And we might, by understanding how transduction works, we might figure out how to do that.
02:20:38.000So not just communicating with people in another universe, but communicating with extraterrestrials.
02:20:44.000Some of these extraterrestrials, in fact most of them, maybe all of them, have to have this ability.
02:20:50.000They have to have that transduction ability, or they never would have gotten above chimp level.
02:20:56.000So maybe this is our way of connecting with them as well.
02:21:02.000And that we're on the path, but we're not quite there yet.
02:21:05.000We're not quite there yet, but I think we could get there really fast.
02:21:10.000And again, some of these neuroscientists I've been talking to, they are saying the same thing, because this is not like studying, I don't know, this is not like studying, I'll say black holes again, but this is different because we've got...
02:21:25.000Thousands of labs, some of them extremely sophisticated labs, were just not looking for this.
02:21:32.000What happens if we start looking for this?
02:21:36.000And so what we've been doing is we've been trying to work out experiments that can be conducted and that should produce one result or another depending on whether transduction is occurring.
02:21:50.000And that's the goal, is find empirical support for this type of theory.
02:21:54.000If we can find empirical support, the more support we find, obviously, the more convincing this will be.
02:22:02.000And then that would bring in the engineers.
02:22:06.000It's the engineers who could really make this thing sing.
02:22:10.000So it's another one of my intuitions, call it that, but I think the data are all around us.
02:22:22.000And by the way, there are a couple people I have turned on to this who just all of a sudden become obsessed because all of a sudden you see all around you reminders of all the weird stuff And you realize, wait, all this stuff that seems so weird,
02:24:01.000So we have spent seven million dollars building the world's first nationwide monitoring system that is doing to those bastards what they do to us and our kids 24 hours a day.
02:24:12.000We are surveilling them for the first time.
02:24:15.000We are finding Overwhelming evidence that they are very deliberately and systematically messing with us and our elections especially.
02:24:28.000I personally believe that as of 2012, the free and fair election, at least at the national level, has not existed.
02:24:39.000It's just been manipulated since 2012. I say this in part because I met one of the people on Google's tech team, on Obama's tech team, I should say, which was being run by Eric Schmidt, head of Google at the time.
02:24:53.000And I talked to him at great length about what the tech team was doing.
02:24:56.000They had full access to all of Google's shenanigans, all those manipulations.
02:25:02.000And one member of that team asked by a reporter, How many of the four points by which Obama won, how many of those points did he get from the tech team?
02:25:14.000And the guy said, Elon Kriegel, I believe his name is, it was actually quoted, and he said two of the points came from us.
02:25:22.000Now, Obama won by five million votes, roughly, and two out of four points came from the tech team, that's two and a half million votes!
02:25:33.000By 2016, I had calculated that Google could shift—and it would be toward Hillary Clinton, of course, whom I supported at the time—that Google could shift between 2.6 and 10.4 million votes to Hillary Clinton in that election with no one knowing.
02:25:50.000She won the popular vote by 2.8 million votes.
02:25:53.000If you take Google out of that election, the popular vote would have been tied.
02:26:00.000A couple days after that election, all the leaders in Google get up on stage.
02:26:09.000And they're talking to all of Google's 100,000 employees, and they're one by one, they're going up to the mic and saying, we are never going to let that happen again.
02:26:30.000We already had a pretty big monitoring system.
02:26:33.000We preserved 1.5 million ephemeral experiences.
02:26:36.000Our data show that Google shifted at least 6 million votes to Joe Biden, who won the popular vote by about 8 million.
02:26:44.000So again, take Google out of the equation, that would have been pretty much a tie in the popular vote, and Trump would have won 11 out of 13 swing states instead of 5. So going forward from roughly 2012,
02:27:01.000I think the free and fair election has been an illusion.
02:27:08.000And this is something that's very weird and kind of ironic, but this is something that Dwight D. Eisenhower warned about in that last speech of his, his farewell speech.
02:27:19.000He warned about the rise of military industrial complex.
02:28:10.000But they walk out with their surveillance phones in their pocket and they use all the surveillance tools that Google has set up for them and other companies too now.
02:29:46.000And for us to set this up so that it's actually permanent and self-sustaining, and so we have court admissible data in all 50 states, which will make these companies think.
02:30:38.000What they did was they got our accounts, they got our apps, To run kind of at ludicrous speed, I guess you could say.
02:30:52.000And what they did was they pulled in more and more and more servers until we were running so many servers simultaneously that we actually got shut down in the cloud.
02:31:03.000And we lost access to our own data for almost two weeks.
02:31:08.000Now, we've never seen an attack like that.
02:31:10.000Even our security people had never seen an attack like that.
02:32:11.000So hopefully someone will put it to his attention and put it up there.
02:32:16.000Because I'm sure this is very concerning to him.
02:32:19.000I mean, he has a vested interest in this.
02:32:22.000Clearly, what happened when he purchased Twitter and he found out the extent of government interference in free speech.
02:32:30.000And how many people were being pressured to not talk about certain things that were inconvenient or how many accounts they were trying to get taken down because these accounts were purveyors of misinformation that turned out to be absolutely accurate?
02:33:00.000And there's another way also, by the way, to take down Google, which I published this in Bloomberg Businessweek.
02:33:10.000If you go to epsteinandbusinessweek.com, you'll actually see the article.
02:33:19.000We've reached the point where data have become an essential part of our lives.
02:33:26.000The way to take down Google is to do what governments have been doing for hundreds of years, to declare their index, the database they use to generate search results, to be a public commons.
02:33:40.000This is exactly what governments do when water, electricity, telephone communications, any commodity, any service becomes essential, governments at some point have to step in.
02:33:52.000The electric companies, they were all privately owned.
02:36:50.000At some point, that's going to turn into partisan mail-in-your-ballot reminders.
02:36:56.000And then that turns into partisan go-vote reminders.
02:37:00.000These are just displayed on Google's homepage.
02:37:02.000We're capturing the homepages by the millions.
02:37:05.000If you don't capture them, then the content is ephemeral and it disappears and it's gone forever and you can't go back in time and figure out what they were doing.