The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2207 - Shawn Ryan

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00:00:13.000 How's it going?

00:00:14.000 Nice to meet you.

00:00:15.000 Nice to meet you.

00:00:16.000 I really enjoy your show.

00:00:17.000 It's very different. 0.99

00:00:20.000 When I first started watching it, I was like, oh, this guy's fucking interviewing all kinds of crazy people. 0.98

00:00:26.000 I like you like a Navy SEAL Art Bell. 0.97

00:00:29.000 It's kind of cool, man.

00:00:32.000 You go out there with people, like that one dude that was saying there's direct energy weapons in Antarctica.

00:00:38.000 You're letting that guy go out.

00:00:39.000 He's going out on a long-ass pier.

00:00:41.000 Oh, yeah.

00:00:42.000 Eric Hecker.

00:00:43.000 All those stories are so crazy.

00:00:45.000 I was just finishing, is it John Alexander?

00:00:47.000 Yeah.

00:00:48.000 Is that the gentleman that worked with UAPs and unidentified phenomenon and mysteries?

00:00:54.000 He's done it all.

00:00:55.000 Fascinating.

00:00:56.000 He's done it all.

00:00:57.000 Fascinating.

00:00:58.000 All the way back to Vietnam, right? 0.63

00:00:59.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:01:00.000 That guy, what a crazy story, man. 1.00

00:01:03.000 You imagine being involved in that kind of shit? 1.00

00:01:07.000 How much do you believe it, though? 1.00

00:01:10.000 When I hear the UFO stuff, there's a part of my brain that's like, don't get suckered into this. 1.00

00:01:17.000 This shit's nonsense. 0.99

00:01:18.000 There's something that, it just feels like, if they told me a supervolcano was going to erupt, I'd believe it. 1.00

00:01:25.000 Supervolcanoes are definitely real, and there's a historical precedent, they've ruined civilizations. 0.97

00:01:30.000 They tell me that there's UFOs, and part of me is just like, I don't fucking believe you. 0.87

00:01:35.000 Yeah. 0.94

00:01:36.000 You know what I mean?

00:01:37.000 You know what bothers me about the whole camp is none of these camps talk to each other.

00:01:48.000 My camp knows everything.

00:01:49.000 Isn't that always the case though?

00:01:51.000 That's the case in the military often, right?

00:01:52.000 Oh yeah, I was going to compare it to special officers. 1.00

00:01:57.000 That guy doesn't know shit. 0.99

00:01:59.000 That's kind of how... 0.99

00:02:01.000 When I was really young, I was like 24, I was dating this girl that was...

00:02:05.000 She did something in government and she was explaining to me, so this is pre-internet-ish.

00:02:12.000 People didn't have the internet then.

00:02:13.000 It's like...

00:02:15.000 Early 90s, right?

00:02:16.000 And she said that one of her jobs was to make sure that information that the Navy had received would be available to the Army.

00:02:28.000 So you have to make sure people aren't running redundant tests.

00:02:31.000 Like, we already did this.

00:02:32.000 We'll get you this information.

00:02:33.000 So there was some sort of a database in these computer terminals where she could share information.

00:02:39.000 And she had some sort of top clearance. 0.82

00:02:44.000 And one day, like, just fucking around, she wrote Little Green Men in the search function. 0.60

00:02:53.000 And her computer got shut down, and then people visited her. 0.96

00:02:58.000 And they asked her, like, what are you doing?

00:03:00.000 Like, why did you look this up?

00:03:02.000 Like, what is this all about?

00:03:03.000 And I think she wound up either getting fired or transferred to some other position or lost whatever clearance that she had. 0.76

00:03:11.000 Interesting.

00:03:12.000 I've not heard that one.

00:03:13.000 When I was young, I was like, wow, aliens are real.

00:03:15.000 But as an older man, now looking back on it, I go, well, maybe what she was doing was inappropriate for her job.

00:03:22.000 Like, maybe what she was doing was demonstrating that she couldn't be trusted because she's doing something that's not...

00:03:27.000 There was no request to look up little green men.

00:03:30.000 She did it on her own.

00:03:32.000 Is this 100% factual?

00:03:34.000 Hard to tell.

00:03:35.000 Hard to tell.

00:03:36.000 Because it was a girl I dated.

00:03:37.000 I don't really know.

00:03:38.000 Oh, you dated her?

00:03:39.000 Yeah, I dated her. 0.98

00:03:40.000 Yeah.

00:03:41.000 Nice.

00:03:41.000 Yeah, like I said, early 90s I was living in New York.

00:03:45.000 I had actually dated her in Boston, then we met up again in New York a couple years later.

00:03:50.000 So she was telling me about her job, and then she was telling me, like, check this out.

00:03:55.000 I shouldn't be telling you this, but here.

00:03:57.000 Back then I was all in on UFOs.

00:03:59.000 I was like, wow, UFOs are real.

00:04:00.000 But...

00:04:02.000 As an older man, I look back and go, well, if you have some kid, you know, she was basically my age, she's probably 24 as well, and you're having this kid work in these terminals that has access to top secret information and they have clearance. 0.92

00:04:18.000 I would say, hey, maybe you shouldn't be just looking up shit randomly. 0.94

00:04:22.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:04:22.000 You know, like, we can't have this kid. 0.99

00:04:24.000 We can't trust this kid.

00:04:25.000 You know, it doesn't seem like everything's so compartmentalized in government, and especially at that kind of classified, whatever, security clearance level.

00:04:36.000 I mean, there's...

00:04:37.000 Whatever.

00:04:38.000 I didn't get that high up, but... 0.98

00:04:40.000 I've not seen a database where you can just look anything up like, oh shit, who killed up JFK? Let's look that up real quick. 0.83

00:04:51.000 Well, you know what Trump said about that one, right?

00:04:53.000 What did he say?

00:04:53.000 Trump said that if they showed you what they showed me, you wouldn't want to release it either.

00:04:57.000 Oh yeah, yeah.

00:04:59.000 I did hear that.

00:05:00.000 Crazy.

00:05:00.000 What a crazy thing to say.

00:05:03.000 Yeah.

00:05:03.000 That can only mean one thing in my eyes.

00:05:05.000 We did it.

00:05:06.000 Yeah.

00:05:07.000 The only thing that makes any sense is the United States did it.

00:05:11.000 I mean, more and more just keeps unraveling.

00:05:14.000 Tucker just comes out and says it openly.

00:05:17.000 He just says it openly.

00:05:18.000 CIA killed Kennedy. 0.72

00:05:20.000 He has a crazy laugh.

00:05:23.000 I don't know who could actually say it other than the people that have read those papers.

00:05:29.000 You know, who knows what they, you know, the president is basically a part-time employee.

00:05:35.000 Not a part-time employee, but a short-term employee.

00:05:38.000 You know, if you've got a long-running business, and for some technicality, every now and then you have to bring in some fucking CEO, and he does a four-year term, and then hopefully he can finagle it so he gets another four-year term, if he's playing by the rules, and you just bring him in.

00:05:53.000 That's a good way to put it. 0.55

00:05:54.000 Yeah, why would you tell that guy who killed Kennedy?

00:05:57.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

00:05:59.000 They hid shit from him all the time, which is totally illegal. 0.90

00:06:03.000 What do you think about RFK's possibly getting in to investigate all that stuff? 0.98

00:06:10.000 I think it would be one of the best things for the health of the people in the United States.

00:06:15.000 If you really care about health...

00:06:19.000 I think there's a lot of us, and it was me at one point in time, and I've gotten more educated about it, a lot of us are very ignorant about what we're doing to our bodies with food and with medications.

00:06:29.000 And I don't think we're being told the truth.

00:06:33.000 And I think there's a reason why other countries Multiple other countries have banned food elements, food, like, ingredients that we use all the time.

00:06:42.000 These red dyes, all these different – and this was all – there was just a recent thing that they did.

00:06:48.000 Who was involved in that?

00:06:49.000 Brigham testified in that.

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00:08:51.000 They had all these health experts testify and they were all hammering this point over and over again.

00:08:56.000 They were talking about the food additives, they were talking about glyphosate and how fucking dangerous glyphosate is and like an enormous percentage of people show traces of glyphosate in their blood.

00:09:06.000 We're getting it through all kinds of vegetables. 0.57

00:09:09.000 We're ubiquitously sprayed on monocrop agriculture crops.

00:09:12.000 We're all just consuming these poisons.

00:09:14.000 There's no reason to have fluoride in the water. 0.99

00:09:16.000 There's fucking no reason. 0.95

00:09:18.000 We've been putting fluoride in the water. 0.99

00:09:19.000 Oh, keep your teeth clean.

00:09:21.000 You don't want cavities.

00:09:22.000 It doesn't make any sense.

00:09:23.000 And we've been doing it forever.

00:09:26.000 And there's no reason to do it.

00:09:27.000 And there's like real data that shows that high levels of fluoride in water lowers IQ. The higher the fluoride is in water in certain areas, they can see a measurable dip in people's IQs.

00:09:38.000 Wow, I didn't know that.

00:09:39.000 Have you messed around with the, have you heard of the Yuka app?

00:09:44.000 No.

00:09:45.000 Dude, you gotta get the Yuka app.

00:09:46.000 What is it?

00:09:47.000 So you basically scan anything, like food related.

00:09:52.000 It's Y-U-K-A? I think it's Y-U-C-A. There it is. 0.88

00:09:58.000 Nice.

00:09:59.000 There it is.

00:10:00.000 Y-U-K-A. Shout out to yuca. 0.99

00:10:02.000 There it is.

00:10:03.000 See, like, honey nut, it's so it'll tell you the additives in there.

00:10:07.000 It contains additives to avoid.

00:10:09.000 And it'll tell you all the chemicals and what the chemicals do to you.

00:10:16.000 Ah, that's genius.

00:10:17.000 Yeah, it's pretty.

00:10:18.000 What a great ad.

00:10:19.000 No ads.

00:10:20.000 All right, we just did an ad for them.

00:10:22.000 Good for them, though, but that's what people need.

00:10:25.000 I think if RFK gets into office, he will expose a lot of this stuff, just like he did when he was an environmental attorney.

00:10:32.000 You know, people think of him as just a vaccine kook.

00:10:34.000 Listen, you've got to look at that guy's – the history of that guy's work has all been about protecting people from corporations that are poisoning them.

00:10:44.000 That's literally what that guy did his whole career.

00:10:47.000 And if he can do that with health, particularly with things that we can avoid.

00:10:51.000 Look, one of the things they demonstrated is that Lucky Charms, as sold in the United States, they don't sell the same one in Canada. 0.98

00:10:57.000 In Canada, the dyes that we use to make it all pretty and exciting for kids, they don't allow that because it's fucking toxic. 0.98

00:11:03.000 So we allow it, which means someone's corrupt. 0.99

00:11:07.000 Yeah.

00:11:07.000 Someone's corrupt!

00:11:08.000 Probably the whole system, maybe?

00:11:09.000 Probably the whole system is heavily influenced, at the very least.

00:11:14.000 Forget about bribery.

00:11:16.000 Let's not even say bribery.

00:11:18.000 Heavily influenced by relationships that these people have with CEOs in these corporations and the boards of executives and this weird little revolving door between the FDA and the CDC and all these different organizations.

00:11:36.000 And then they leave and then they get this amazing job working for some huge corporation that they were helping regulate just a few years ago.

00:11:47.000 It's the most transparent thing.

00:11:49.000 If insider trading is illegal, how's that legal?

00:11:53.000 Good point.

00:11:53.000 I mean, does FDA approval even mean anything to you?

00:11:57.000 Not to me.

00:11:58.000 It doesn't to me.

00:11:59.000 But it took a long time before I got to that.

00:12:02.000 It took a long time before I really understood, like, why do we think that saturated fat is bad?

00:12:06.000 Oh, it was a lie by the sugar companies.

00:12:09.000 Okay, why do people tell you that vitamin supplementation doesn't really help and you just need a balanced diet? 0.95

00:12:14.000 Oh, because doctors don't know jack shit about nutrition and that you're going to a guy who literally knows less than you because he went to medical school for how to fix knees or whatever the fuck he specialized in and you're taking this guy's advice and he doesn't know anything about nutrition. 0.73

00:12:29.000 He's not read any peer-reviewed data. 0.98

00:12:31.000 That guy's just trying to keep up. 0.98

00:12:33.000 He's got fucking bills piling in, and he's bringing people and shuffling them through the office, and he's worried about his, you have insurance in case you fuck up, malpractice insurance, and you have to pay your medical school bills, and those guys are barely getting, 0.98

00:12:48.000 they're floating. 0.99

00:12:49.000 They're trying to just run people through their office as fast as they can.

00:12:53.000 Does it bother you if there's some type, I don't know, some type of a new Does it bother you if it's not FDA approved at all, if it's new?

00:13:03.000 Like nobody's looked into it?

00:13:04.000 Well, I wouldn't take anything no one's looked, especially a drug.

00:13:08.000 It's just like, give it some time, kids!

00:13:12.000 It's been some time.

00:13:12.000 I mean, how many times do they have to pull drugs before people?

00:13:16.000 Like, what is the percentage of drugs that the FDA approves and then pulls?

00:13:20.000 I believe it's 25%.

00:13:22.000 I have no idea.

00:13:24.000 I think it's 25%.

00:13:25.000 See if that's true.

00:13:26.000 So these are the ones that they approve, and then eventually they find out, oh, this stuff is terrible for you, and then they pull it.

00:13:32.000 I think it's 25%.

00:13:34.000 Which, you know, what does it say?

00:13:37.000 One-third. 1.00

00:13:38.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:13:38.000 One-third. 1.00

00:13:39.000 A third! 0.99

00:13:39.000 I was off! 0.99

00:13:40.000 According to the 2017 study, which is probably worse now, about one-third of drugs approved by the FDA within a 10-year period receive alerts, warnings, or recalls in the years following their approval. 0.95

00:13:51.000 That's fucking bananas. 0.95

00:13:52.000 Give it some time, kids. 1.00

00:13:54.000 Yeah.

00:13:56.000 Also, have you seen the Steven Crowder undercover thing he did with that COVID czar in New York?

00:14:03.000 No.

00:14:03.000 Have you seen that?

00:14:04.000 Jamie, go to his page and find the most recent one.

00:14:08.000 Because the most recent one is fascinating.

00:14:10.000 Because the most recent one, this guy is openly talking about how monkeypox is not really a threat, but they're trying to present it as a threat so they can sell this medication.

00:14:21.000 Yeah.

00:14:21.000 Interesting.

00:14:22.000 And they're talking about pushing this...

00:14:23.000 This guy's openly talking about...

00:14:26.000 Monkey Box is really just gay guys get it from unprotected... 1.00

00:14:29.000 What's that video on?

00:14:30.000 That's not the video.

00:14:32.000 That's the guy though, right?

00:14:33.000 Yeah, is it on his Instagram?

00:14:35.000 Go to it, I'll show you which one it is.

00:14:36.000 It's just not playing a video.

00:14:38.000 Oh, maybe here.

00:14:39.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:14:41.000 Is it?

00:14:43.000 No, no, no, no.

00:14:44.000 That's not it.

00:14:45.000 That's not it.

00:14:45.000 Because that's the one where he's talking about how he shut the city down.

00:14:50.000 There's a recent one.

00:14:52.000 No.

00:14:54.000 I know.

00:14:55.000 Maybe it's somewhere else.

00:14:56.000 Let me scroll down a little bit.

00:14:58.000 See if you can find the one.

00:14:59.000 See that one right there that's kind of yellow.

00:15:02.000 That's yellow.

00:15:04.000 There's got to be one where he's talking about monkeypox.

00:15:10.000 Because that was the one I was watching today.

00:15:14.000 That's not, because that's all about shutting the schools down. 0.98

00:15:19.000 Goddammit, we've got to find it.

00:15:21.000 Okay, just find it and get to us.

00:15:23.000 Because I know I might have watched it on X. I probably thought, I'm saying X now.

00:15:29.000 Yeah, good for you.

00:15:30.000 I feel politically correct.

00:15:31.000 Like when I call a transgender person a girl, she. 0.99

00:15:34.000 Like, you like that?

00:15:35.000 How I did that?

00:15:36.000 I said she.

00:15:38.000 That's where he's talking to them directly.

00:15:41.000 No.

00:15:41.000 No, that's not it.

00:15:42.000 That's Crowder confronting him when he's...

00:15:44.000 That guy's fired now. 1.00

00:15:45.000 That guy's fucked. 1.00

00:15:46.000 But the monkeypox one, goddammit, I know I saved it. 1.00

00:15:49.000 If you want, I can find it. 0.77

00:15:51.000 I saved it on my phone because I was like, this is just so bonkers.

00:15:54.000 That these people are having conversations in public and openly admitting that they're trying to push people into taking drugs that don't even work.

00:16:02.000 There's a link to the video, though.

00:16:04.000 Really?

00:16:04.000 Interesting.

00:16:06.000 Um...

00:16:10.000 This is going to be a problem.

00:16:11.000 I'm not going to find it.

00:16:12.000 Just see if you can find it.

00:16:14.000 It's got to be out there because I watched it this morning.

00:16:19.000 Did you Google Monkey Box?

00:16:20.000 Nothing?

00:16:21.000 It's going to be in one of these links.

00:16:23.000 I just have to take a second.

00:16:25.000 Oh, wait.

00:16:26.000 Hold on.

00:16:26.000 Back up.

00:16:27.000 Back up.

00:16:27.000 That was right there.

00:16:29.000 Right above that.

00:16:29.000 Dr. J. Varna?

00:16:31.000 Okay.

00:16:32.000 This is it.

00:16:33.000 But it's not the same thing as the last one.

00:16:35.000 There's no link to the video.

00:16:36.000 Oh, so is it because the New York Post doesn't show it?

00:16:39.000 That's okay.

00:16:40.000 We can just read what it says because it's kind of interesting.

00:16:42.000 We don't have to hear him say it.

00:16:44.000 But Stephen Crowder's kind of decided to do this James O'Keefe type deal.

00:16:48.000 And I don't know how they do that.

00:16:50.000 It's pretty wizardry.

00:16:51.000 Yeah. 0.92

00:16:52.000 Generally, I think you get a gay guy who likes to talk.

00:16:57.000 And some handsome dude who can sit down with this guy and get him a little tipsy.

00:17:01.000 That seems to be happening. 0.98

00:17:02.000 Gay guys like to spill the beans. 1.00

00:17:06.000 He previously served as senior health advisor to then-mayor Bill de Blasio, tasked with running Big Apple's pandemic response. 0.95

00:17:13.000 Okay, so he was talking about the approval process while discussing SIGA Technologies' Technovirumant, or T-Pox drug.

00:17:25.000 So this is the drug for monkeypox.

00:17:29.000 So that's why spinning it in the media is helpful.

00:17:32.000 We want the FDA to approve our drugs specifically for monkeypox, and right now it's only considered experimental, and they won't approve it, he said.

00:17:39.000 And the USTPOX is not approved by the FDA for treatment of MPOX, but can be used to treat patients as part of a clinical trial known as the study of technovirumat For human Mpox virus, according to Cigna Technologies.

00:17:54.000 The company's website added that the STOMP trial is being conducted to evaluate the efficacy of TPox for the treatment of Mpox.

00:18:03.000 Varna then griped at the video film on August 14th that his then-employer is stuck with our drug, but the people aren't going to be as confident in it because the data doesn't look as strong as it should.

00:18:14.000 And so then later he starts talking about the stock prices. 0.90

00:18:18.000 So he says sometimes you do a study and this fucking nothing works at all or people get really sick from it, he said in the covert recording. 0.91

00:18:25.000 The problem is if you do another study, it'll take a year or two to do it because you have to get the ethics approval, you got to get the money, you got to get the patients to come in. 0.86

00:18:34.000 In the videos, Varma then gloated about how he knows the reporters well and referenced a September interview with New York Times on MPOX, which touted the TPOX as a drug used to treat MPOX infection.

00:18:46.000 He also described the World Health Organization's emergency authorization process before explaining how he wants the media to report on TPOCs.

00:18:53.000 So he was talking, one of the things in the video, he was talking about stock prices.

00:18:59.000 So they're talking about making it look like these drugs do better than they do, getting people to prescribe them.

00:19:07.000 Okay, hold on.

00:19:09.000 So basically, what we're trying to get the media to say is, oh, the drug didn't work because it was designed the wrong way, so they're gonna do another study, and it'll probably work.

00:19:17.000 And in the meantime, people just prescribe it as an emergency drug.

00:19:21.000 That's what we want the story to be, which is wild to say out loud.

00:19:25.000 And he said, the risk of MPOC spreading in the US is very low, and it's almost certainly going to stay among gay men. 0.99

00:19:32.000 Yeah, so it's all just, it's supposedly only, like, I don't think in America, like, I think four people have died from it, which is, you gotta go hard.

00:19:45.000 That's it, huh?

00:19:46.000 You gotta go hard and die from that. 0.99

00:19:47.000 You quit right before they talked about the 10-person sex parties. 0.99

00:19:51.000 Oh, yeah, that was another thing.

00:19:53.000 That was when he got busted for having parties during the COVID lockdowns while he was encouraging the lockdowns.

00:19:59.000 Wow.

00:20:00.000 You didn't hear that part?

00:20:01.000 No.

00:20:01.000 Oh, so Crowder got him on camera saying that he was doing Molly and partying and saying, I hope somebody doesn't see me doing this because I could get in real trouble because, you know, obviously I... Reinforce the lockdowns.

00:20:19.000 Wow.

00:20:20.000 I mean, surprising, but not, you know?

00:20:22.000 Boy, everybody's eyes have been opened up over the last few years.

00:20:25.000 At least people that are trying to pay attention to how nutty the people are who actually run the show.

00:20:31.000 Yeah.

00:20:31.000 Yeah, it's...

00:20:33.000 A lot of people are...

00:20:35.000 I mean, it's crazy.

00:20:36.000 It's like everything you knew is just flipped upside down.

00:20:39.000 It's like a bunch of actors are running it.

00:20:41.000 That's what it's like.

00:20:42.000 Because that's what they're really like.

00:20:44.000 What politicians are like are, like, actors are not quite good-looking enough to get into movies and television shows.

00:20:49.000 They can't host entertainment tonight.

00:20:51.000 But they can read off a teleprompter, you know?

00:20:54.000 And they can do a good...

00:20:55.000 Like, look, Kamala Harris had one good read off a teleprompter, and she shot up in the polls. 1.00

00:21:02.000 That's the power of just a performance when you want to believe something.

00:21:07.000 You want to believe.

00:21:08.000 I mean, I don't believe anything anymore.

00:21:11.000 I just can't.

00:21:13.000 I was watching this.

00:21:14.000 These guys were breaking down.

00:21:15.000 They can track cell phones.

00:21:17.000 They can figure out whose cell phone was there.

00:21:19.000 They can get metadata.

00:21:21.000 And they were talking about these Kamala Harris rallies, about how organized they are.

00:21:25.000 These people are coming in on buses, and many of them have been to multiple rallies, and that When this one local one, like 80% of the people came from somewhere else.

00:21:34.000 And they were all bussed in.

00:21:36.000 How do they know that?

00:21:37.000 How do they know that?

00:21:38.000 Well, I'll send this to Jamie, because this one I actually have.

00:21:41.000 But I think they know it because you could track data on a phone now.

00:21:47.000 Oh, they're doing the geofencing stuff?

00:21:49.000 I don't know exactly how they do it, but they're doing something in which they can tell when your phone has been in an area.

00:21:57.000 Okay, I found this guy's...

00:21:58.000 I found the other video.

00:22:03.000 Yeah, here, I'll show it to you, Jamie. 0.90

00:22:05.000 Because it's even grosser hearing it come out of this guy's mouth.

00:22:07.000 This is an hour and a half video on his YouTube channel that I think it's taken from.

00:22:11.000 Yeah, but this is the clip.

00:22:13.000 I'm sending you the clip from Instagram.

00:22:15.000 I don't know if Instagram's hiding it.

00:22:17.000 I don't know what's happening.

00:22:20.000 They wouldn't do that.

00:22:22.000 It's on his Louder with Crowder page, that's why.

00:22:25.000 Oh, is that what it is?

00:22:25.000 Yeah.

00:22:26.000 Okay. 0.98

00:22:28.000 God, I hate looking up things on my phone in the middle of a fucking show, but sometimes you have to. 0.93

00:22:33.000 So these guys, what they were... 0.97

00:22:35.000 Essentially what they were showing is that...

00:22:39.000 Oh, here it is.

00:22:40.000 That people...

00:22:42.000 It's just very organized.

00:22:43.000 And people are being bussed in.

00:22:44.000 And, you know, is that okay?

00:22:47.000 Is that ethical?

00:22:48.000 I mean, maybe just making it more convenient for them to go to the Kamala Harris rally.

00:22:51.000 Nothing wrong with that.

00:22:52.000 Yeah.

00:22:53.000 But if you're organizing crowds, like...

00:22:56.000 Say if you do a game show, like if you host a game show, you know, Wheel of Fortune!

00:23:01.000 Hello, ladies and gentlemen!

00:23:02.000 Those people are all paid.

00:23:04.000 Most of them, or sometimes you let fans do it for like a very popular show, but I have personally been on a lot of shows where the audience is paid.

00:23:13.000 Interesting.

00:23:13.000 It's basically like if you're filming a sitcom, and nobody knows what the sitcom is, There's a company that you can hire and you pay the audience to come in.

00:23:23.000 And the people cheer.

00:23:25.000 They have an applause sign.

00:23:26.000 Everybody cheers.

00:23:27.000 They laugh when you tell them to laugh.

00:23:29.000 There's a guy in the audience that's doing this to them that the people at home don't see.

00:23:33.000 So it's all theater, right?

00:23:37.000 They could do that same strategy for a political rally easily.

00:23:42.000 If you're talking about all the money that you're going to be in control of when you are the President of the United States, which is a spectacular position, not just that, but then all the money you're going to make in appearances forever,

00:23:58.000 right?

00:23:58.000 You're going to do Goldman Sachs talks and make a half a million dollars for no apparent reason.

00:24:03.000 There's so much money involved.

00:24:05.000 You don't think you would pay audiences to come and cheer?

00:24:09.000 That's cheap.

00:24:10.000 Yeah.

00:24:11.000 That's cheap.

00:24:12.000 I don't know.

00:24:13.000 Do you think that's immoral?

00:24:16.000 Well, I think we have very loose rules on what you're allowed to do and what you're not allowed to do.

00:24:21.000 There was a lot of outrage because people were saying that ABC somehow or another had gotten the subject matter to Kamala and that they had agreed to Kamala that they were not going to ask her about her DA record when she was in California and that they were not going to talk about some other person she was involved with that might be in trouble.

00:24:43.000 And they weren't going to fact check her.

00:24:45.000 And then they said they were only going to fact check Donald Trump.

00:24:49.000 Yeah.

00:24:50.000 Which is what led to her saying quite a few things that weren't true and no one said anything about it, particularly about troops being deployed overseas.

00:24:58.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:24:59.000 Do you see that video where the troops are like, what the fuck are you talking about? 0.98

00:25:03.000 I got a really good friend to mine that's deployed in Overseas right now. 0.99

00:25:10.000 Not according to Kamala Harris.

00:25:13.000 Yeah, he's sniping bad guys over in Africa.

00:25:17.000 How mad would he be if he heard that?

00:25:20.000 I mean, they're pissed.

00:25:21.000 Oh, I'm not in a war zone.

00:25:23.000 They're pissed.

00:25:24.000 They should be pissed.

00:25:25.000 So this is from an Instagram account.

00:25:28.000 I don't know what podcast this clip came from, but let's just play it.

00:25:34.000 Rally.

00:25:35.000 5003 mobile devices at Kamala Harris's rally in Charlotte, North Carolina on Thursday afternoon.

00:25:40.000 It appears over 3,600 came from Georgia, mainly Atlanta, Georgia, and approximately 720 from Savannah, Georgia.

00:25:48.000 So that's a North Carolina rally with almost 80% of the attendees being from Georgia.

00:25:54.000 After you do the math, that's only 600 or so local people from North Carolina that attended.

00:25:59.000 That's all who shows up and you're planning to, what, get 80-something million votes again?

00:26:03.000 Something ain't right.

00:26:04.000 And then all these people come from buses.

00:26:07.000 And it's kind of weird because at the Trump events, you don't really have, like, organized buses like that.

00:26:10.000 People just kind of show up and park on their own.

00:26:13.000 But at the Kamala rally, there's just these lines of buses at every event, which is weird.

00:26:17.000 And a lot of the people are also the same people that attend multiple rallies.

00:26:21.000 Can you read those tweets?

00:26:22.000 Any of the same ones from previous events, because this guy's tracking the cell phones, I guess.

00:26:26.000 And he says, 90% have been to three-plus rallies.

00:26:29.000 54% were even at Arizona and Nevada rallies.

00:26:33.000 Now, it could be that she's so popular that it's like Swifties. 1.00

00:26:38.000 They just follow her around.

00:26:39.000 Or it could be like, you know, the Grateful Dead was in the 1970s.

00:26:43.000 Maybe, maybe that's what's going on.

00:26:45.000 Maybe she's just so amazing all of a sudden.

00:26:48.000 Maybe she just, Stella got her groove.

00:26:50.000 You know, something happened and she just kicked into gear and now she's her best self.

00:26:54.000 Yeah.

00:26:55.000 Her best self.

00:26:56.000 She's going to be the president. 1.00

00:26:57.000 Yay, let's go to these rallies.

00:26:58.000 I'm sure that's what's going on.

00:27:03.000 It could be that.

00:27:04.000 I don't think it's really immoral.

00:27:06.000 I don't think it's immoral.

00:27:07.000 It's just a rally.

00:27:09.000 Everybody wants their rally to be full.

00:27:12.000 I mean, you know, it's just...

00:27:14.000 I don't...

00:27:15.000 It's a facade, man.

00:27:16.000 It's just a facade.

00:27:17.000 If you can do it for a game show, you can do it for a political event.

00:27:21.000 I don't think it's immoral.

00:27:22.000 I think if they did give her the questions, and they really did, and this is someone signed an affidavit.

00:27:28.000 See what's going on with that.

00:27:29.000 See what's the latest with that, Jamie.

00:27:31.000 So someone signed an affidavit that was an ABC employee that claims these things.

00:27:37.000 And it was very clear there was bias.

00:27:39.000 It was very clear that they were fact-checking him and not fact-checking her.

00:27:44.000 But it was, you know, unfortunately, he doesn't do himself any favors because he kind of goes off the rails sometimes.

00:27:49.000 They're eating dogs! 0.99

00:27:51.000 They're eating cats! 0.98

00:27:52.000 Which, by the way, they may very well be doing that.

00:27:56.000 That's a thing they do in Haiti sometimes.

00:27:58.000 Sometimes they sacrifice animals and, you know, they have local rituals, religious rituals that they do.

00:28:05.000 I mean, this has been going on for a long time, though.

00:28:07.000 You know, sometimes the Kung Pao chicken is a chicken.

00:28:09.000 Right.

00:28:10.000 I mean, that's a real thing.

00:28:12.000 That's a real thing.

00:28:13.000 And to try to pretend that it's racist to say that.

00:28:15.000 No, no.

00:28:17.000 Humans sometimes will do things.

00:28:18.000 According to this, it says that this started with a claim that there was an affidavit, but I don't know that it's ever been actually presented to anyone.

00:28:25.000 Interesting.

00:28:28.000 Didn't it get discussed on Twitter and people were posting about the veracity of it?

00:28:35.000 I think Elon even put it on his...

00:28:37.000 No.

00:28:39.000 Colin Rugg I know had it on his.

00:28:44.000 Yeah.

00:28:46.000 I think it's probably going to be hard to tell unless charges are filed.

00:28:49.000 It said it made it to Congress.

00:28:53.000 Bill Ackman.

00:28:55.000 That's right.

00:28:55.000 Bill Ackman was the guy who tweeted it.

00:28:57.000 Didn't know if the claim was accurate, but shared it anyway.

00:29:00.000 Which is what's fun.

00:29:02.000 It's fun to do on the internet.

00:29:03.000 Vance addressed the supposed whistleblower's allegations with reporters saying it should be a national scandal if true.

00:29:10.000 Trump again mentioned the whistleblower September 13th at a rally in Las Vegas claiming that Harris had received the debate questions in advance.

00:29:16.000 Fortunately, we had a leaker or a whistleblower.

00:29:18.000 I don't care which.

00:29:19.000 I love that person.

00:29:21.000 The way he talks is such a Trump statement.

00:29:26.000 Representative Dan Mauser Muser in Pennsylvania sent a Fox News interview that he would try to bring in ABC News and the whistleblower before Congress to testify about the affidavit.

00:29:37.000 They said that the person who did it was killed in a car crash, and that seems to be false.

00:29:42.000 Yeah, that was amplified by Marjorie Taylor Greene, who also doesn't do herself any favors. 1.00

00:29:48.000 I think they do stuff like that.

00:29:51.000 This is my take on that, when I saw all these people tweeting that the guy died in a car crash.

00:29:56.000 I was like, that might be a trap.

00:29:59.000 That one might be a trap.

00:30:00.000 I think they do stuff like that where they'll throw out a fake story and get people to share it without looking into it at all, and it turns out to be complete horseshit, and it makes the whole thing look like horseshit now. 0.57

00:30:12.000 Now it makes the affidavit, it's at least connected to horseshit.

00:30:17.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:30:17.000 You know what I mean? 0.96

00:30:18.000 I mean, it's a good tactic.

00:30:20.000 Yeah.

00:30:20.000 Smart tactic.

00:30:21.000 They get a lot of good tactics.

00:30:23.000 They're very organized, which is really interesting.

00:30:26.000 And that's one of the things about Trump is that he's so dominant and he's so swing from the hip that no one can kind of corral him.

00:30:34.000 And it seems like she's really open to being coached.

00:30:39.000 Like, some of these speeches are very different than any speeches she's ever given before.

00:30:43.000 And you see the difference between that and then, like, did you see the Oprah interview?

00:30:48.000 No.

00:30:49.000 She's off the rails.

00:30:50.000 Yeah.

00:30:50.000 Off the rails.

00:30:50.000 I heard about it.

00:30:51.000 In the fucking wine mom country again. 1.00

00:30:53.000 Wow. 1.00

00:30:54.000 Tim Dillon is the best.

00:30:55.000 Tim Dillon's like, she's saying gypsy curses.

00:30:58.000 What is she saying?

00:31:01.000 Oh, man. 0.99

00:31:02.000 It's like when you get her off the rails and she is, it's kind of fucked up, right? 0.98

00:31:08.000 Because that's not the job. 0.96

00:31:10.000 The job is not being able to sound cool in an interview with Oprah.

00:31:17.000 That's not the job.

00:31:18.000 But that's the most important part about getting the job.

00:31:21.000 I just want to hear how they're going to accomplish all this stuff.

00:31:25.000 Well, they're going to do it once they get in, even though they're already in.

00:31:28.000 That seems to be the typical response, right?

00:31:31.000 Well, one thing that you can see really clearly is there is a ferocious effort to stop Donald Trump from becoming president again that I've never seen before.

00:31:41.000 I've seen tight races.

00:31:44.000 I've seen people very divided.

00:31:47.000 You know, I've seen it for years.

00:31:50.000 There's always been, like, a division between the Republicans and Democrats in this country, but not like this.

00:31:56.000 Not like this, where the guy almost gets killed twice, and they don't even talk about it.

00:32:01.000 It's scary, man.

00:32:02.000 It's nuts.

00:32:03.000 It's scary.

00:32:04.000 Almost gets killed twice, and the second one, they just brushed it off.

00:32:06.000 Like, I don't even think the guy got a shot off.

00:32:09.000 Yeah.

00:32:10.000 Like, the guy was set up at a golf course for 12 hours.

00:32:14.000 With a bulletproof vest on an AK-47 and was specifically there to kill Trump.

00:32:19.000 You don't think that's crazy? 0.69

00:32:21.000 I think it's crazy they didn't cover it.

00:32:23.000 I mean, it barely got covered.

00:32:24.000 Barely.

00:32:25.000 Barely.

00:32:25.000 In and out.

00:32:26.000 And then the brother of the guy, or the guy's son, gets arrested for child pornography.

00:32:32.000 Do you know, have you looked into the BlackRock commercial stuff at all?

00:32:36.000 Is that real?

00:32:37.000 The one shooter was in the BlackRock commercial.

00:32:39.000 That was the kid that tried to kill Trump.

00:32:42.000 Yeah.

00:32:42.000 They said that this guy was in a BlackRock commercial, but I heard that that's not true.

00:32:47.000 It's bullshit. 0.98

00:32:48.000 But that could be another one that they just throw out there. 1.00

00:32:50.000 Yeah, right. 1.00

00:32:50.000 You throw one out there like that and then people retweet it and those people look stupid because you retweeted something dumb and then it just weakens the public's faith in what you have to say about things and also makes the story look stupid. 1.00

00:33:05.000 Like, that story about that whistleblower will forever be connected to people retweeting the fact that he died in a car accident, even though he didn't die in a car accident. 0.99

00:33:13.000 So it's always going to be shrouded in bullshit. 0.96

00:33:16.000 It's kind of genius. 1.00

00:33:18.000 It is, man.

00:33:18.000 It's a great way to discredit it.

00:33:22.000 Yeah, it's a great way to get somebody elected.

00:33:26.000 Yeah, good point.

00:33:27.000 Good point.

00:33:27.000 It's just...

00:33:28.000 When you're seeing the manipulation just in full bloom, just marching down the street in front of everybody and no one's freaking out about it, that's what's really weird.

00:33:38.000 What do you think...

00:33:39.000 I mean, have you thought about who's behind all these assassination attempts?

00:33:45.000 Do you think they're lone wolves or...?

00:33:47.000 Well, was it Matt Gaetz that was saying that he's been informed that there's five different kill teams looking for Trump in the country right now?

00:33:57.000 Somebody did just say that.

00:33:58.000 Two of them are domestic?

00:34:00.000 Trump said it?

00:34:03.000 There's five guys!

00:34:06.000 They think they're going to get me.

00:34:08.000 They're not going to get me!

00:34:12.000 So what's the quote?

00:34:13.000 Big threats on my life by Iran. 1.00

00:34:16.000 The U.S. military is watching and waiting.

00:34:18.000 Moves already been made by Iran that didn't work out, but they will try again. 1.00

00:34:21.000 Not a good situation for anyone.

00:34:23.000 I am surrounded by more men, guns and weapons than I have ever seen before.

00:34:28.000 Thank you to Congress for unanimously approving far more money to Secret Service.

00:34:33.000 Zero.

00:34:34.000 No votes.

00:34:35.000 What?

00:34:36.000 What?

00:34:36.000 Zero, no votes, strictly bipartisan.

00:34:38.000 Okay.

00:34:39.000 Oh, I understand.

00:34:40.000 Zero, no votes.

00:34:42.000 Like, no one voted against it.

00:34:43.000 Strictly bipartisan.

00:34:44.000 Nice to see Republicans and Democrats get together on something.

00:34:47.000 An attack on a former president is a death wish for the attacker.

00:34:52.000 Yeah, it wasn't just him that was saying that, though.

00:34:55.000 It was, I'm pretty sure it was Matt Gaetz.

00:35:01.000 I know I have that saved too if you want to.

00:35:04.000 So if there really are five different kill teams in the country looking for Trump right now, that's just insane.

00:35:12.000 But it should be hard to find him, you know?

00:35:14.000 I mean, he has rallies, you know?

00:35:16.000 Giant rallies.

00:35:17.000 Yeah.

00:35:17.000 In New York, there was 60,000 people.

00:35:19.000 That's insane.

00:35:20.000 See, that's the difference between the Kamala Harris rallies.

00:35:22.000 That's a lot of buses.

00:35:22.000 If that guy's telling the truth, and they really are just sort of manipulating this and putting on theater, that's a big difference between what's happening with Trump.

00:35:33.000 Yeah.

00:35:33.000 He got, organically, got 60,000 people to come see him and freak out in New York.

00:35:40.000 The media is a monster.

00:35:42.000 It really is. 0.99

00:35:43.000 It's such an obvious monster. 1.00

00:35:46.000 Such a deceptive, sneaky, propagandist monster. 0.91

00:35:51.000 How long do you think the media has left? 0.98

00:35:54.000 They'll be around.

00:35:55.000 You think so?

00:35:56.000 It all depends on who gets into office, really.

00:35:59.000 It depends on...

00:36:01.000 So the real fear was when they started getting their claws into Twitter.

00:36:06.000 The real fear was when the government started suppressing accurate information and Twitter let them do it.

00:36:13.000 That was scary close.

00:36:15.000 So Elon buys Twitter, releases the Twitter files.

00:36:18.000 Michael Schellenberger, Matt Taibbi and all those journalists, they all uncover all these different aspects that's super disturbing and totally illegal.

00:36:28.000 And they release everything.

00:36:30.000 And then Twitter becomes kind of crazy.

00:36:33.000 Twitter's wild now.

00:36:35.000 It's just totally wild, wild west.

00:36:38.000 Unregulated.

00:36:39.000 And then, what do you got, Jamie?

00:36:42.000 This is it?

00:36:43.000 I got it.

00:36:45.000 Okay, one of the five known teams hunting President Trump for Butler, Pennsylvania.

00:36:50.000 Attempt was Ukrainian. 0.63

00:36:51.000 So this is Matt Gaetz talking about this.

00:36:54.000 But I think that if that hadn't happened, so if all of social media remained like staunch leftist, left wing, just giving completely into whatever propaganda the government wants to give them regarding vaccines or Ukraine or anything else with no Critical arguments about it that are accepted.

00:37:21.000 Anybody who doesn't follow the narrative, especially people like, you know, they censored people from Stanford and MIT. They were trying to tell them to pull those guys, like Jay Bhattacharya.

00:37:34.000 I didn't know that.

00:37:35.000 Oh yeah, I did, I did.

00:37:37.000 Censoring, like, legitimate experts in the field who aren't kooks, guys like Peter McCullough, who's the most published doctor in his field of study in human history. 0.59

00:37:49.000 And they're like, no, no, you're a kook. 0.98

00:37:50.000 You're a kook. 0.94

00:37:51.000 And we know now that that was not true, and he was correct. 0.98

00:37:56.000 Now we all know, right? 0.87

00:37:57.000 All these years later, most people kind of know what the fuck happened, even the people reluctant to admit they got duped. 0.69

00:38:03.000 If Elon does not come along and buy Twitter, I don't know where we are right now. 0.77

00:38:08.000 I really don't. 0.93

00:38:09.000 Because if they had the clamps on Twitter, and they did the same thing with Twitter that they're doing right now with other social media apps, it would be fucking awful out there. 0.93

00:38:19.000 I know, man.

00:38:21.000 Elon's been a blessing.

00:38:23.000 He really has.

00:38:24.000 It's a big one.

00:38:26.000 I mean, I don't think they're gonna be around that much longer.

00:38:30.000 I feel like that the media will die with the baby boomer generation. 1.00

00:38:35.000 I think if Elon didn't buy Twitter, they would have been fine.

00:38:38.000 I really do.

00:38:39.000 Probably.

00:38:40.000 The only thing that fucks them up is YouTube, but they've got a clamp on YouTube, too.

00:38:44.000 You know, YouTube is, they're very restrictive in what you can talk about, especially during the pandemic.

00:38:52.000 They would ban you from YouTube for talking about things that we know for a fact are true now.

00:39:00.000 We dealt with a lot of that.

00:39:01.000 We dealt with a lot of it, right?

00:39:03.000 I'll bet you did, too.

00:39:04.000 Oh, yeah.

00:39:05.000 Anybody on YouTube, I mean, you have to, like, parse your words.

00:39:08.000 You know, like, Jimmy Dore, even when he's criticizing the vaccine, he's like, but you should take the vaccine because it's safe and effective. 0.99

00:39:14.000 He always has to say it, like, to cover his ass. 0.99

00:39:16.000 Like, it's a joke. 0.99

00:39:17.000 Was it nice for you to come off YouTube?

00:39:19.000 Did you enjoy that when it first happened? 0.99

00:39:23.000 Was it a huge pain in the ass gone? 0.99

00:39:26.000 No. 0.99

00:39:27.000 I don't pay attention to it.

00:39:28.000 But my strategy was to become 10% less famous.

00:39:30.000 So when I went over to Spotify, Spotify was going to give me all this money, and I was like, oh, great. 0.87

00:39:35.000 Just fucking be a little less famous, too. 0.69

00:39:38.000 That'd be good. 0.99

00:39:39.000 Go the Howard Stern route, kind of fade off into the sunset.

00:39:43.000 Yeah.

00:39:44.000 Did it work?

00:39:45.000 No, it didn't work.

00:39:46.000 I was gonna get caught up in this massive controversy.

00:39:51.000 But it also, even before that, this podcast was growing on Spotify a little too quick.

00:39:59.000 So there's no extra pressure being on YouTube.

00:40:04.000 But there is a pressure if you're relying on YouTube.

00:40:07.000 If you're relying on them because they'll demonetize you.

00:40:10.000 That's what I meant.

00:40:10.000 I meant with, like, the censorship stuff.

00:40:12.000 I was wondering, you know...

00:40:14.000 Wanna hear something interesting?

00:40:15.000 We got demonetized all the time.

00:40:17.000 A lot of episodes got demonetized until we announced that we're going to go exclusive to Spotify.

00:40:22.000 And then from that moment out, there was like a few months of a window.

00:40:26.000 No kidding.

00:40:27.000 They never demonetized us.

00:40:28.000 They just took all the money.

00:40:29.000 Like, don't go, Joe.

00:40:30.000 No, they didn't.

00:40:30.000 No, no, no.

00:40:31.000 It wasn't that.

00:40:31.000 They wanted the money now.

00:40:32.000 Like, why would they demonetize me?

00:40:34.000 Because they don't get a cut either.

00:40:35.000 So what they're trying to do, essentially, is get you to fall in line by getting you to self-censor because it benefits you financially.

00:40:45.000 It's a creepy form of censorship because you do it to yourself and it's kind of okay because you can't really prove that they got you to not talk about things you wanted to talk about and they can't really prove that you've followed this public narrative just because you want to keep your job.

00:41:05.000 I mean, you know what really bothers me is We both put a lot into this, you know?

00:41:15.000 And what bothers me, it's like, just tell me what you want me to take out.

00:41:18.000 What is it? 0.98

00:41:20.000 They won't fucking tell you. 0.99

00:41:22.000 I don't want to talk to them. 0.99

00:41:23.000 This is how my feeling on the thing is.

00:41:26.000 I don't think they should be talking to people about what to put in.

00:41:28.000 I think if you're not doing anything illegal, if you're not saying anything illegal or doing anything illegal, don't take it off.

00:41:35.000 Some of it I... I'm totally with you.

00:41:38.000 Some of it I get, you know, like, you know, pedophilia.

00:41:43.000 100%.

00:41:43.000 Illegal stuff.

00:41:44.000 Even language.

00:41:45.000 I mean, there's three-year-olds out watching.

00:41:47.000 I got a three-year-old kid.

00:41:48.000 You know, he's watching YouTube.

00:41:50.000 They have YouTube kids.

00:41:50.000 YouTube kids is great.

00:41:52.000 So I get it when they, like, mark my shit with 18+. 0.99

00:41:57.000 But they won't tell me. 0.99

00:41:59.000 I can't correct the fucking problem if you don't tell me what it is. 0.99

00:42:06.000 They don't want to box themselves in and not be able to censor somebody. 0.99

00:42:16.000 Yeah, there's that.

00:42:17.000 And there's no benefit for them to tell you what you said that was wrong.

00:42:22.000 There's no benefit.

00:42:23.000 The good thing is to get you to self-censor.

00:42:25.000 That's the best.

00:42:26.000 To put the threat over you.

00:42:27.000 That's why they give you strikes. 0.98

00:42:29.000 One strike.

00:42:29.000 Two strikes.

00:42:31.000 Sean, you got three strikes. 0.98

00:42:32.000 You know, it's kind of silly. 0.93

00:42:34.000 It's weird.

00:42:34.000 It's like, is this the penal system?

00:42:36.000 Or is this a goddamn social media platform? 0.99

00:42:38.000 It should be. 0.98

00:42:40.000 If advertisers don't want to advertise on that particular content, okay, that seems easy to manage, guys.

00:42:46.000 And guess what?

00:42:47.000 There'd be a lot of advertisers that would be willing to advertise on that content.

00:42:51.000 You're just not being creative enough with your advertisement if you're just treating it as a business.

00:42:57.000 Or are you treating it as not just a social media video website, but a way to push and a way to amplify a very specific message?

00:43:09.000 I mean, if you can control what comes out of people's mouths, then you can control what they think.

00:43:14.000 Yeah, and if you're making a lot of money on YouTube and you're doing great, like, wow, I've got a fucking real good life now.

00:43:21.000 And then all of a sudden YouTube comes along and says, oh, you were talking about the vaccines, Sean.

00:43:25.000 Sean, we can't have COVID vaccine misinformation on our platform.

00:43:29.000 This is going to cost lives.

00:43:31.000 And some platforms make you do like a re-education thing where you have to talk to them.

00:43:37.000 And have conversations with them about what you did that may have been offensive or what you did that may have violated the terms and conditions that they have for their community.

00:43:48.000 Yeah, I think we had to do that.

00:43:49.000 I think we did that. 0.99

00:43:50.000 Fucking creepy. 1.00

00:43:52.000 That shit's fucking creepy because you're dealing with some fucking woke kid in Silicon Valley who up talks. 1.00

00:44:00.000 And this person, okay, what you're doing, Sean, right now with your show, I know that you don't think it's harmful, but it really is. 1.00

00:44:09.000 It really is.

00:44:10.000 It's truly harmful.

00:44:12.000 Yeah.

00:44:12.000 It's truly harmful, exposing government corruption.

00:44:15.000 I can tell.

00:44:17.000 It's real harmful, all right. 0.98

00:44:19.000 It's fucking weird, man. 0.98

00:44:21.000 It's weird. 0.98

00:44:22.000 But I love the fact that at least it exists.

00:44:25.000 And even though it's not perfect, because I don't think YouTube can be perfect because they're managing at scale.

00:44:30.000 In order for them to get all the pornography and the murder, you know, cartels upload murder videos to YouTube.

00:44:36.000 They're constantly trying to put out fires.

00:44:38.000 Can you imagine the amount of data that YouTube has to deal with on a daily basis?

00:44:42.000 It kind of behooves them to just give them strikes.

00:44:47.000 Threaten them.

00:44:47.000 Let's just slow everything down.

00:44:50.000 Too much of this is getting us in trouble.

00:44:51.000 We just want to make a lot of money.

00:44:53.000 I get it.

00:44:54.000 I get it.

00:44:55.000 There's only one YouTube.

00:44:56.000 It's kind of genius.

00:44:58.000 And it's a perfect setup.

00:44:59.000 The algorithm where it's constantly recommending stuff that you're interested in. 0.97

00:45:03.000 It's fucking great. 0.97

00:45:05.000 Great time waster. 0.99

00:45:06.000 But it's also a tool for shaping narratives.

00:45:11.000 And if only one narrative is pushed out there and other narratives will literally get you demonetized so you lose your ability to make a living and then possibly get your whole channel removed, which it did to many people.

00:45:24.000 They just removed their whole channel.

00:45:27.000 I mean, where do you think this is going to end?

00:45:29.000 Do you think it is going to end?

00:45:30.000 That should be – all that stuff we talked about should be illegal.

00:45:33.000 That stuff should be covered in the First Amendment. 1.00

00:45:36.000 Demonetization?

00:45:37.000 No.

00:45:37.000 Because, look, if you want to have standards where you say that the advertisers that we have – we have a group of advertisers and they have requested – No shows where someone swears.

00:45:50.000 No shows where someone talks about sex.

00:45:53.000 No shows where someone talks about over-drinking or anything like that.

00:45:57.000 They just have rules.

00:45:58.000 We don't want to be associated with that.

00:46:00.000 Okay, that's totally reasonable.

00:46:02.000 But when you want to stop a channel from uploading a video because they're making an argument that maybe the lab leak hypothesis is legitimate.

00:46:11.000 And you're pulling that off the air.

00:46:13.000 Well, now what are you doing?

00:46:15.000 You're deleting an episode that's accurate about really dangerous information.

00:46:23.000 Dangerous information, not just to us, but also to the organizations that paid for these crazy gain-of-function research projects. 0.94

00:46:31.000 Like, what the fuck are you doing and what did you do? 0.98

00:46:42.000 Just guess that maybe it came from that area. 0.99

00:46:45.000 Like, have you ever seen that Jon Stewart interview where he was on the Colbert show?

00:46:48.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:46:48.000 Fucking amazing, right? 0.96

00:46:49.000 Amazing. 0.99

00:46:50.000 But even that, like, Colbert's trying to stop him and, like, just saying maybe these people working on these fucking viruses let one leak. 0.99

00:46:58.000 Maybe. 0.97

00:46:59.000 That would get you removed from YouTube. 0.94

00:47:01.000 That's a violation of the First Amendment, in my opinion.

00:47:05.000 Yeah.

00:47:06.000 Because you should, especially some of these people are very informed people.

00:47:10.000 They were biologists, and they were talking about the very specific design of this virus, the fairing cleavage sites, and how it's very different than anything you see from a natural spillover.

00:47:20.000 They were talking about technical, very specific details, and they were getting banned.

00:47:25.000 Brett Weinstein almost lost his channel.

00:47:27.000 I didn't know that.

00:47:28.000 Yes.

00:47:29.000 I didn't know that. 0.98

00:47:30.000 We had to have him on, do an emergency podcast and let people know what the fuck is going on. 1.00

00:47:34.000 Damn. 0.99

00:47:34.000 They almost pulled his channel. 0.99

00:47:35.000 Damn. 1.00

00:47:37.000 He's a biologist. 1.00

00:47:39.000 A brilliant one.

00:47:40.000 And he's talking about real information.

00:47:44.000 It's scary, man.

00:47:45.000 I mean, I don't know.

00:47:47.000 I think about it all the time, obviously.

00:47:49.000 I mean, it's industry.

00:47:51.000 So, it's just...

00:47:55.000 I hope X turns out to be the new thing.

00:47:59.000 I don't think X is going anywhere.

00:48:01.000 I think Elon knows how important it is and he's got all the money in the world. 0.99

00:48:03.000 I think he'll keep that bitch running. 1.00

00:48:05.000 And I think it's also getting attached to AI now, which is going to be an insane moneymaker. 0.99

00:48:10.000 I don't think X has any problems.

00:48:11.000 I think he's going to grow it into some sort of an all-in-one app.

00:48:15.000 He'll probably have cryptocurrency on it and private messaging and phone calls.

00:48:19.000 You'll be able to shop on it.

00:48:21.000 That's what it's probably going to be, if I had to guess.

00:48:26.000 For places like Rumble, the more places like YouTube and Facebook and all these other places, the more they can find people and the more they force people into these boxes and make people toe the line if they want to make any money off of advertising or if they don't want to get their channel deleted.

00:48:43.000 The more companies like Rumble will emerge.

00:48:46.000 That's what I think.

00:48:47.000 I think there's going to be just... 0.99

00:48:48.000 Right now, Rumble's a hard sell for some folks, because they see it as like, oh, it's a right-wing fucking, like a MAGA. I'm not going on Truth Social. 0.96

00:48:57.000 It's Truth Social video.

00:48:59.000 You know, there's a lot of people that have those prejudices, but...

00:49:01.000 Russell Brand's on there.

00:49:03.000 A lot of people are on there.

00:49:04.000 It's a good platform.

00:49:05.000 And it's an important platform.

00:49:07.000 And we should support it and want it to grow.

00:49:10.000 We should want them all to grow.

00:49:11.000 Spotify's got video now.

00:49:12.000 We need more video.

00:49:15.000 Because audio's just not enough.

00:49:17.000 Just audio podcasts, you want...

00:49:20.000 You want people to share things virally.

00:49:22.000 And the virally stuff, it's all like Elon Musk when he smoked a blunt on my podcast.

00:49:27.000 That's all video.

00:49:29.000 You want video of that.

00:49:30.000 And the more we have platforms where that stuff is just free, where you can just say whatever you want, say whatever you think about anything, which really X and Rumble are the only places that I know of that you could really do that right now.

00:49:43.000 Have you had any problem on audio at all?

00:49:46.000 No.

00:49:47.000 Good.

00:49:47.000 No.

00:49:48.000 Good.

00:49:48.000 I haven't either.

00:49:50.000 Yeah, audio is like they're leaving that alone for now.

00:49:53.000 I think it's probably because it's not as easily shared.

00:49:55.000 That's what's coming next.

00:49:56.000 Yeah, probably.

00:49:58.000 I mean, all they would have to do is just put images of you and images of me and then have our audio and upload that as a video.

00:50:05.000 And then maybe they would start coming after audio.

00:50:07.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

00:50:10.000 I just hope this shit starts to turn around. 1.00

00:50:15.000 I do too, but I don't think it turns around if Kamala Harris gets into office. 1.00

00:50:19.000 I think they clamp down more.

00:50:21.000 I think the same stuff that they were trying to do with Twitter, they'll try to do with something else, with other things.

00:50:26.000 They've already openly discussed it.

00:50:29.000 You know, she's openly discussed that the same rules have to apply to Facebook, they have to apply to Twitter, and that Elon Musk could lose his privileges.

00:50:36.000 There's so many wild things that they're saying.

00:50:39.000 Tim Walz said that the First Amendment doesn't apply to misinformation or hate speech.

00:50:45.000 Well, it certainly does.

00:50:46.000 It does.

00:50:47.000 You know, sometimes people say things wrong, and the goal of the First Amendment is you say something wrong, and then this guy who's an expert says the right thing.

00:50:55.000 Yeah.

00:50:55.000 You know, and then you correct him.

00:50:57.000 Yeah, I mean, the misinformation, I mean, it's all opinion.

00:51:01.000 Right.

00:51:02.000 Well, so much of it turns out to be true.

00:51:04.000 How about masks don't work?

00:51:05.000 You would get screamed at for masks don't work.

00:51:07.000 Well, guess what? 1.00

00:51:08.000 They don't fucking work. 1.00

00:51:09.000 They don't work. 1.00

00:51:12.000 Fauci said masks don't work.

00:51:14.000 Remember that interview before the pandemic, before they knew how big it was going to be?

00:51:17.000 Yes.

00:51:18.000 He was like, you don't have to wear a mask.

00:51:19.000 Then it was wear two.

00:51:20.000 Then it was wear doubles.

00:51:22.000 Put two face diapers on.

00:51:23.000 It's bananas how easily people fell in line.

00:51:26.000 That scared me the most.

00:51:28.000 I know.

00:51:29.000 It's like, what are you...

00:51:34.000 There's nothing they won't do.

00:51:37.000 There's nothing they won't do. 0.99

00:51:38.000 There's a lot of cowards out there.

00:51:40.000 There's a lot of people that have never been pushed and they don't know what to do when they get nervous. 0.98

00:51:45.000 And they're out there voting.

00:51:46.000 Do you think they're cowards or do you think they're just lazy and they like being told what to do? 0.94

00:51:56.000 There's both.

00:51:57.000 It takes all the decisions out of their day.

00:51:58.000 There's both.

00:51:59.000 But there's also people that are scared of a negative response so they say what everybody wants them to say.

00:52:07.000 Somebody described this really very eloquently, and I saved it on my phone because I was like, this guy nailed it.

00:52:13.000 But essentially they were saying, especially with beta males, they don't say something because they have an opinion and they really want to express that opinion.

00:52:22.000 They say something and they consider, am I going to get in trouble if I say this?

00:52:28.000 And then if that's the case, they don't.

00:52:31.000 And am I going to get in trouble if I agree with them?

00:52:35.000 And probably not, because right-wing people don't really go after you the same way left-wing people do.

00:52:40.000 Like if you want to talk about like a woman's right to choose.

00:52:42.000 If you want to say, I agree with a woman's right to choose, but like Bill Burr's bit, you ever see that bit? 0.99

00:52:47.000 And he goes, I think I agree with a woman's right to choose, but I also think you're killing a baby. 0.80

00:52:52.000 You know, it's kind of a crazy bit.

00:52:55.000 It's really funny because he's brilliant, but it's just, that's really what it is.

00:53:00.000 I mean, that's the truth.

00:53:01.000 That is what it is.

00:53:02.000 It is what it is.

00:53:03.000 I mean, factually, that is what it is.

00:53:05.000 And this is coming from someone who's pro-choice.

00:53:08.000 But I think that if you You know, if you look at all the things that they have that distract us, all the different things that are in the news constantly, whether it's the Diddy raid or fucking J.Lo and Ben Affleck are breaking up, 0.62

00:53:24.000 and you're just getting force-fed all kinds of shit while the border is wide open, while they have apps where people can get flights.

00:53:34.000 The BP1 app. 1.00

00:53:35.000 What the fuck? 1.00

00:53:36.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:53:37.000 That sounds like the—you know, I had Chamath on.

00:53:41.000 Do you know Chamath?

00:53:42.000 I don't want to mispronounce his last name. 0.99

00:53:43.000 I'll fuck it up. 0.98

00:53:44.000 Brilliant, brilliant guy. 0.66

00:53:45.000 And we were talking about how hard it was for his family to legally immigrate into this country and how difficult it was to get a visa.

00:53:55.000 I mean, this is a brilliant guy.

00:53:57.000 He started Facebook.

00:53:59.000 He was one of the original guys at Facebook.

00:54:01.000 And he's this Guy who did it the right way and every step of the way there was this tremendous anxiety when he would go to get his visa renewed because he didn't know if he was going to get kicked out of the country because someone could arbitrarily go, no, not good enough.

00:54:15.000 Because he had to prove to be here that he has skills that an American doesn't have. 1.00

00:54:20.000 He's a real expert in something.

00:54:23.000 You know, I went down to the border about, I think it was about two years ago-ish, maybe a little longer, and I went down with Ed Calderon.

00:54:34.000 I love Ed.

00:54:35.000 Yeah, what a great guy, right?

00:54:36.000 He's a great guy.

00:54:37.000 I've had him on a couple times.

00:54:38.000 Yeah, well, that's where I found him, so thank you.

00:54:42.000 But so, no, I went down to TJ with him, and this was before it really, really hit the news cycle.

00:54:53.000 And we walked into a migrant camp.

00:54:55.000 There's probably a couple thousand migrants there.

00:54:57.000 And so I yanked one of them out and interviewed him and, you know, used Ed to help translate.

00:55:05.000 And I mean, the guy's been sitting there for like, I think he was there with his wife and kids for like two years.

00:55:11.000 And I was like, why don't you just like go across, dude?

00:55:17.000 I mean, it's an honest question.

00:55:19.000 I'm like, why don't you just go across?

00:55:21.000 He said he wanted to do it the right way.

00:55:23.000 Wow.

00:55:23.000 You know, he's like, no.

00:55:24.000 He's like, I just want to do it the right way.

00:55:26.000 Oh, my God.

00:55:27.000 He's running around with this little battery pack charging cell phones for 50 cents.

00:55:32.000 You know, and I'm like... 1.00

00:55:34.000 I'm just like, fuck it, eh, man? 1.00

00:55:36.000 Like, why don't they just... 1.00

00:55:39.000 Because nobody's anti-immigration.

00:55:42.000 No.

00:55:42.000 Not that I know of.

00:55:43.000 No, we're anti-terrorists.

00:55:46.000 Why don't you just unfuck the immigration process and maybe we can get some more people in here quicker, legally, if you do that, and then we actually know who's coming in and we have documentation of who they are.

00:56:01.000 Wouldn't that be nice?

00:56:01.000 Yeah.

00:56:03.000 Meanwhile, that's racist.

00:56:04.000 Yeah.

00:56:06.000 Yeah.

00:56:07.000 And they want them to vote, which is even crazier.

00:56:09.000 They're pumping them out into swing states.

00:56:11.000 It's so transparent.

00:56:12.000 It's happening right in front of everybody's face.

00:56:15.000 And it's a wild grab for power.

00:56:19.000 And the only people talking about are people like us, which is really crazy.

00:56:24.000 The only people that are talking about it are people that aren't really connected to some sort of executive corporation, a bunch of producers, a bunch of people telling you what to do.

00:56:33.000 Yeah.

00:56:34.000 I mean, this is not even something that right-wing news wants to discuss.

00:56:39.000 Good point.

00:56:40.000 Good point.

00:56:41.000 I mean, have you done any digging on who's coming across there?

00:56:45.000 Yeah!

00:56:47.000 I talked to Dr. Phil about it.

00:56:48.000 Dr. Phil did this big investigation.

00:56:51.000 He's got his own network now, Merit Media.

00:56:53.000 It's gotten so bad that Dr. Phil decided he has to start a network for news.

00:56:57.000 Good for him, man.

00:56:58.000 He's a great guy.

00:56:59.000 Good for him.

00:56:59.000 Great guy.

00:57:00.000 But he was essentially talking about how they really don't know how many people that are coming through that are criminals.

00:57:09.000 They're dropping off their IDs on the Mexican side.

00:57:12.000 They just get rid of their IDs so that when they cross over they have nothing on them.

00:57:16.000 You don't know who they are.

00:57:17.000 You don't know what they've done.

00:57:19.000 Gang members, cartel members, guys escaping Venezuelan prisons.

00:57:23.000 No one knows.

00:57:24.000 Yeah.

00:57:24.000 All you have to do is get over here and we'll give you an EBT card, we'll set you up, go to New York City, they'll put you in a nice hotel, they'll give you free food.

00:57:31.000 And meanwhile, there's poor people in Chicago that are like, what about us?

00:57:34.000 What about American citizens that pay tax dollars? 0.99

00:57:37.000 You guys don't give a fuck about us. 0.89

00:57:39.000 You haven't done anything for us. 0.98

00:57:41.000 Why?

00:57:41.000 Because they know those people are going to vote Democrat.

00:57:44.000 They know they already got them.

00:57:45.000 They already got them.

00:57:46.000 We've got those people.

00:57:47.000 Statistically, they look at the numbers.

00:57:49.000 Statistically, this has gone blue.

00:57:51.000 We're fine.

00:57:51.000 We're good.

00:57:52.000 Let's just get some people in them swing states. 0.99

00:57:56.000 It's fucking scary, man. 1.00

00:57:57.000 I've been diving into the border shit for quite a while. 1.00

00:58:01.000 Ever since this Afghanistan withdrawal, that was a big... 1.00

00:58:09.000 I mean, that was just fucking horrible. 0.69

00:58:10.000 Did you talk to Tim about that? 0.98

00:58:11.000 Tim.

00:58:12.000 Kennedy?

00:58:12.000 When you had him on?

00:58:13.000 A little bit.

00:58:14.000 A little bit. 1.00

00:58:15.000 Dude, he told me some shit. 1.00

00:58:18.000 He told me some shit that he just... 1.00

00:58:21.000 You can't imagine. 0.99

00:58:22.000 Like, that guy saw so much overseas.

00:58:25.000 And he said the worst things he ever saw was the Afghanistan pullout.

00:58:29.000 Dude, do you know who Tyler Andrew Vargas is?

00:58:33.000 No.

00:58:33.000 That's the one Marine that survived that big suicide bombing at Abbey Gate.

00:58:39.000 Abbey Gate killed 13 Marines.

00:58:42.000 Yeah.

00:58:42.000 And so I called him.

00:58:45.000 Well, everybody wanted him to come on the show. 0.99

00:58:47.000 And I was like, I'm never going to get this fucking guy. 0.99

00:58:49.000 Like, all the media, everybody wants him. 0.99

00:58:53.000 But I was like, all right, fine, I'll reach out.

00:58:55.000 So hit him on the gram and messaged right back and he got in and he's like, man, he's like, I'm so glad that you reached out to me.

00:59:06.000 He's like, I was literally just praying with my fiance that you would reach out because he had just did an ABC Good Morning America interview.

00:59:14.000 Interviewed for seven hours. 0.91

00:59:16.000 They released five seconds of that interview because it made the administration look so fucking bad. 0.91

00:59:22.000 They wouldn't air it.

00:59:24.000 So I got him on, kept getting dinged, you know, by YouTube.

00:59:27.000 They didn't like the real footage, which was actually, like, from his cell phone that we put. 0.60

00:59:34.000 We do previews and shit. 0.54

00:59:35.000 But, man, like, to have, like, his, you know... 0.99

00:59:40.000 Testimony about what happened that day, and then the care that afterwards, which was a fucking atrocious, you know? 0.98

00:59:52.000 I watched this guy at my studios on the second story, and I'd watch a, you know, 23-year-old kid hobble up those fucking stairs with one leg, one arm, all kinds of shit going on in his intestine. 0.99

01:00:07.000 I mean, I was like, man, what the fuck, man? 0.99

01:00:09.000 This didn't even have to happen. 1.00

01:00:11.000 They had the guy. 1.00

01:00:11.000 They had the fucking guy in the sights. 1.00

01:00:14.000 They could have killed him. 1.00

01:00:16.000 And, you know, nobody...

01:00:21.000 Nobody gave him permission.

01:00:22.000 You know, maybe they...

01:00:24.000 I mean, I can't backseat quarterback it, but maybe they shouldn't have asked.

01:00:28.000 Just eliminated him.

01:00:30.000 Jesus Christ.

01:00:30.000 But I mean, he's talking about...

01:00:32.000 You know, before we got into the actual incident, he was talking about... 0.99

01:00:37.000 You know, like moms trying to throw their babies over the wall and getting caught up in razor wire and just seeing a fucking baby dangle there by the leg. 0.99

01:00:48.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:00:49.000 You know, it's...

01:00:50.000 And there's like no...

01:00:52.000 You know, there's no repercussions for how that went down. 0.98

01:00:55.000 The media just wants to fucking cover it up. 0.68

01:00:57.000 And so I started digging deep, and I teamed up with the former CA targeter, Sarah Adams, and then a really good friend of mine, Scott Mann. 0.93

01:01:08.000 We went over to Vienna to interview this guy, Ahmad Massoud, who's the leader, the commander of the Northern Alliance out there.

01:01:16.000 It's like the resistance.

01:01:17.000 It's kind of fighting the Taliban.

01:01:20.000 You know, the Taliban pretty much took over government in Afghanistan.

01:01:24.000 I saw the parade.

01:01:25.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:01:26.000 With all our shit that we left there. 1.00

01:01:29.000 Crazy. 1.00

01:01:30.000 Yeah, man.

01:01:31.000 So, we got a bunch of intel from Massoud and, you know, like, still kind of looping all the way back around to the southern border. 0.96

01:01:40.000 I mean, so once Taliban took control of all of our shit, I mean, this could go on for a while, but... 0.78

01:01:48.000 So now what they're doing is they have the passport office over there just making legitimate passports to—now there's 21 terrorist organizations over there training. 0.99

01:02:04.000 Hansa bin Laden, who we were told was killed, is actually fucking alive. 0.95

01:02:08.000 And he's marrying into all these other terrorist networks. 0.99

01:02:11.000 So he married Mullah Omar's daughter. 0.51

01:02:15.000 He married...

01:02:16.000 Who else?

01:02:16.000 He married into all these different terrorist networks.

01:02:19.000 And so these guys used to be like competitors, kind of.

01:02:22.000 Just like the UFO guys.

01:02:26.000 They all hate each other, but they all have the one common theme, like disclosure.

01:02:29.000 These guys, the one common thing is, let's go take over the Western world.

01:02:35.000 So he is basically Hanza bin Laden... 0.95

01:02:38.000 Is married into all these terrorist organizations.

01:02:41.000 Now they all have one common goal to come over to, you know, the Western world and ruin our way of life. 0.99

01:02:48.000 And so what they're doing is they're funneling as many of these terrorists into the passport office, creating them legitimate, real passports.

01:02:57.000 And then they sprinkle them, they get them flights into all over South Central America, and then they funnel them up. 0.97

01:03:12.000 I don't give a fuck what the FBI or any of these people are saying. 0.99

01:03:17.000 There is zero way to track how many of these fuckers have come in to the U.S. And so, you know, now what we're going to see is, like, October 7th-style attacks like we just saw in Israel in the mall in Russia. 0.99

01:03:32.000 And everybody's like, oh, you know, why hasn't it happened yet? 0.99

01:03:38.000 By design.

01:03:39.000 Like the leaving the border porous, allowing these people to come in. 1.00

01:03:44.000 Absolutely, I think it's by design.

01:03:46.000 I mean, they basically told Border Patrol, stand down. 1.00

01:03:49.000 Like, do not do your fucking job. 1.00

01:03:52.000 We're going to blast you. 1.00

01:03:53.000 I mean, remember the guy on the horse that they said was whipping people and it wound up being like the reins of the horse? 0.57

01:03:59.000 Yeah.

01:04:00.000 Yeah, I think it's by design, you know, from the government, but I don't...

01:04:06.000 I think that they're...

01:04:08.000 Look, I think that the government is more incompetent than it's ever been before, and I think they have one common goal, and I think the goal is voting, you know?

01:04:20.000 They want them to vote, but I don't think that they...

01:04:24.000 I don't think they're competent enough to realize the death and destruction and the other repercussions that we're going to face by keeping that border open.

01:04:36.000 Because they don't have anybody that...

01:04:42.000 They don't have anybody with any experience that's—they don't have any solid intelligence stuff going on that's telling them, like, hey, this is what's going to happen.

01:04:51.000 It's all agenda-driven.

01:04:52.000 Jesus Christ.

01:04:53.000 Does that make sense?

01:04:54.000 Yeah, it does make sense.

01:04:54.000 It does make sense that all they care about is voting, is get the people in, don't worry about the consequences.

01:04:59.000 But the more insidious conspiracy would be that they want unrest because it gives them an opportunity to clamp down on rights. 1.00

01:05:07.000 I mean, shit, though. 0.99

01:05:08.000 I mean, unrest, I mean— They got really good at unrest, you know what I mean, in 2020, right? 1.00

01:05:16.000 All through, or even before 2020, up to that election.

01:05:22.000 So I don't think they need to import terrorism in cartels.

01:05:25.000 Yeah, but it's a different kind of unrest.

01:05:26.000 The kind of unrest that you get from people blowing up Target is very different than the kind of unrest you get from a legitimate terror attack.

01:05:35.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:05:36.000 I mean, you know, and then people, I mean, do you ever think about why nothing's happened to any, like China?

01:05:42.000 Have you looked into the power grid at all?

01:05:44.000 Yeah.

01:05:45.000 Dude.

01:05:46.000 It's not good.

01:05:47.000 Lights out, buddy. 1.00

01:05:48.000 It's so easy to kill. 1.00

01:05:49.000 Yeah. 0.92

01:05:50.000 The power grid's so weak.

01:05:51.000 It's so vulnerable.

01:05:53.000 It's really nuts.

01:05:54.000 It's nuts because anybody could target it.

01:05:58.000 Yeah.

01:05:58.000 Well, I mean, China, you know, we have those – we have – you know, we get those big – everything is imported from China, and we have these huge transformers.

01:06:10.000 You can tell me to shut up if you already know all this shit. 0.98

01:06:12.000 But all of those transformers are imported from China. 1.00

01:06:17.000 And they're not checked. 0.98

01:06:19.000 They don't even fucking check them for malware or Trojan horses or anything. 0.98

01:06:23.000 And it would take... 0.98

01:06:25.000 I mean, these Transformers, it's not like the little box outside your house, you know, the green box.

01:06:30.000 It's...

01:06:30.000 I mean, they have to take overpasses out just to transport these things.

01:06:34.000 So you're talking years, and I think the number was like nine.

01:06:38.000 If they took out nine Transformers, then the entire U.S. would be out of power.

01:06:44.000 Yeah.

01:06:45.000 On top of that, so then DOE, Department of Energy, actually investigated one because somebody was, it got to DC that, whatever.

01:06:56.000 They decided to look into it. 0.97

01:06:58.000 And they wouldn't fucking release the results. 0.99

01:07:02.000 They wouldn't fucking release the results. 0.99

01:07:05.000 So, you know, they're in our water treatment plants. 0.99

01:07:08.000 They're in our power grid. 1.00

01:07:10.000 I've been talking about this shit for years. 1.00

01:07:12.000 Cell phone towers. 1.00

01:07:14.000 Cell phone towers.

01:07:15.000 And then FBI Director Chris Wray comes out and says, oh, yeah.

01:07:20.000 Turns out...

01:07:22.000 Our grid's really vulnerable.

01:07:24.000 China's in there. 0.99

01:07:25.000 And they're also in our treatment plants, which means they can fucking poison us. 0.99

01:07:29.000 Yeah, they own land around military bases. 0.93

01:07:32.000 If they are on a long-term strategy...

01:07:35.000 It's very effective.

01:07:36.000 They're doing a great job.

01:07:37.000 They undercut the competition to give us cell phone towers and all sorts of things.

01:07:42.000 They position them around military bases.

01:07:44.000 Mike Baker was explaining all of it to me.

01:07:47.000 And I'm like, how are they letting this go through?

01:07:51.000 Is it incompetence? 1.00

01:07:52.000 Is it fools running it? 1.00

01:07:54.000 Are they corrupt? 1.00

01:07:56.000 How did they do that? 0.97

01:07:58.000 I mean, one of the things that really fucked us, we got away from manufacturing, and we relied on all these countries, and we really found that out during COVID, when you couldn't get shipments. 0.97

01:08:05.000 It was like, whoa, wait a minute, how much of our shit is made over there? 0.97

01:08:09.000 Like, everything? 1.00

01:08:10.000 Like, how much medicine is made overseas?

01:08:12.000 How many different things that we need, that we constantly use, we don't even know how to make?

01:08:16.000 Yeah.

01:08:17.000 A lot.

01:08:18.000 Masks.

01:08:20.000 You see those piles? 1.00

01:08:22.000 I remember pulling the fucking masks out, you know. 0.99

01:08:24.000 I didn't wear them very long, but I fell for it for about 30 days. 0.99

01:08:29.000 Did you? 1.00

01:08:30.000 And then I was like, this is fucking bullshit. 1.00

01:08:32.000 But yeah, you pull the mask out, and I live out in the woods, so I didn't, you know. 1.00

01:08:37.000 But yeah, made in China.

01:08:40.000 I'm like, wait, didn't the thing come from there?

01:08:43.000 They're making money handover fees.

01:08:45.000 Right, cool.

01:08:47.000 The whole thing is nuts.

01:08:48.000 Go U.S. Yeah, it's nuts.

01:08:50.000 But getting away from manufacturing this country really did not do this country any justice.

01:08:55.000 It's just for corporations to save a little bit of money and to push everything off to third world countries to manufacture things. 0.82

01:09:00.000 That's including our phones.

01:09:02.000 And I've said this over and over again.

01:09:03.000 If Apple could make an American-made phone and charge me more money, I'd pay double for it.

01:09:08.000 Yeah.

01:09:09.000 Charge me a phone where I know that people get union wages, they get healthcare, they get paid correctly, they can live a good life, and they work, normal hours.

01:09:20.000 They don't have to sleep in a fucking bunk like they do in that Foxconn building when they have nets all around the building to keep people from jumping from the roofs. 0.99

01:09:27.000 You've seen that shit, right? 1.00

01:09:29.000 No, actually I haven't. 1.00

01:09:30.000 You haven't seen that?

01:09:31.000 No. 0.98

01:09:31.000 The Chinese factories where they make iPhones are so fucked, the people are so distraught that they put all these fencing with giant nets all around the buildings because so many people were jumping to their death that they decided we'll just catch them with nets. 0.98

01:09:49.000 Are you serious? 0.99

01:09:50.000 Yeah, look at this.

01:09:51.000 Those are the nets.

01:09:52.000 Those are suicide nets all around the building.

01:09:54.000 Sorry, buddy.

01:09:55.000 Back to the assembly line.

01:09:56.000 How crazy is that? 1.00

01:09:57.000 Damn, that is fucked up. 1.00

01:09:58.000 How crazy is that? 1.00

01:09:59.000 Instead of making the conditions better where people don't...

01:10:03.000 Want to kill themselves so often that you need nets around a building?

01:10:06.000 They go, nah, nets is fine. 1.00

01:10:08.000 Fuck those people. 1.00

01:10:09.000 Dude, I mean, it's straight slavery. 1.00

01:10:12.000 Yeah.

01:10:12.000 It's close to it.

01:10:14.000 I mean, they don't really have any other options.

01:10:16.000 And when you're getting a phone, you know, and what's a phone?

01:10:20.000 Like $1,500?

01:10:23.000 Is that what it is?

01:10:24.000 Charge $2,000.

01:10:25.000 Yeah.

01:10:26.000 Charge $2,000.

01:10:27.000 People pay it. 0.97

01:10:27.000 Most people are, like, putting on a part of their bill to pay a little bit of it off every day, and you really don't need to fucking switch phones every year. 0.97

01:10:35.000 Like, everybody does, but you don't need to. 1.00

01:10:37.000 It's stupid. 0.98

01:10:38.000 Like, I have a iPhone 11 that I use sometimes, like, one of my numbers. 1.00

01:10:42.000 It fucking works great. 0.97

01:10:43.000 Nothing wrong with it. 0.99

01:10:44.000 Yeah.

01:10:45.000 Nothing wrong with it.

01:10:46.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:10:46.000 Five-year-old phone or four-year-old phone, whatever the fuck it is. 0.97

01:10:50.000 So, you could get a Made in America phone, and you wouldn't feel like you're supporting this horrific shit that everybody turns a blind eye to. 0.99

01:10:59.000 Because that's the only way you get that kind of stuff. 0.97

01:11:02.000 You know, they have them all made over there.

01:11:04.000 Yeah.

01:11:05.000 Yeah, it's...

01:11:06.000 I don't think it's coming back, but...

01:11:10.000 Well, it could.

01:11:11.000 I mean, there would have to be a large concerted effort, but the problem is it took decades to go away.

01:11:16.000 It'll probably take slightly longer to come back, you know, because there's got to be planning and funding and people have to make long-term investments.

01:11:23.000 It's going to be a big gamble.

01:11:26.000 Yeah.

01:11:26.000 But so, I mean, I'm sure you've seen Who Killed Rotten?

01:11:32.000 What is it?

01:11:34.000 Michael Moore's documentary?

01:11:38.000 The Flint, Michigan one.

01:11:39.000 What is it called again?

01:11:40.000 Roger and Me?

01:11:41.000 Roger and Me.

01:11:41.000 That's right.

01:11:42.000 I want to say who killed Roger Rabbit.

01:11:45.000 Roger and me.

01:11:46.000 But it's all about what happened to Flint, Michigan once they pulled out auto manufacturing.

01:11:51.000 And the entire population just...

01:11:54.000 Those people who live in check-to-check, they were doing okay, but they had jobs. 0.96

01:11:58.000 And then all of a sudden, gone.

01:12:00.000 Every job's gone.

01:12:01.000 There's no jobs.

01:12:02.000 There's nothing to do.

01:12:03.000 The entire industry is gone.

01:12:04.000 And just people went into dire poverty, like horrific dire poverty, like...

01:12:10.000 Instantaneously.

01:12:11.000 Yeah.

01:12:11.000 And just so a corporation can make some more money.

01:12:14.000 It's sad.

01:12:15.000 It's horrible. 1.00

01:12:16.000 It's fucking horrible. 1.00

01:12:17.000 It's horrible. 1.00

01:12:18.000 And it's horrible that that's an option. 1.00

01:12:21.000 That a corporation would decide, eh, fuck this town. 1.00

01:12:25.000 What do you think it would... 1.00

01:12:27.000 I mean...

01:12:28.000 You think it's going to come back or you think it could come back?

01:12:31.000 It could come back.

01:12:32.000 I'm optimistic but honest.

01:12:36.000 You know, I try to look at it honestly but also go, I think most people are good people.

01:12:42.000 I really do.

01:12:43.000 I really believe that.

01:12:45.000 Even most of these people that are walking in from Guatemala, I'd do it too, 100%.

01:12:50.000 If I was living in the middle of nowhere and you told me, hey, America's letting people in, you can get a landscaper job, you can make 20 bucks an hour, I'd be like, what?

01:12:58.000 I would 100% walk.

01:13:01.000 Why wouldn't you?

01:13:02.000 I think most people are good people and they just want a better life.

01:13:07.000 And I think the more we unite under that idea and stop buying into this bullshit that, like, if either side is correct, that it's the end of democracy.

01:13:17.000 I think we have to, like, stop all that tribal nonsense that's happening between the left and the right because people are just subscribing to ideologies and getting captured in them just like a religious fervor. 0.66

01:13:29.000 Like, they think that they're doing...

01:13:33.000 The only thing that could possibly be done to save us all and that the other side is a dire threat.

01:13:40.000 That's why like something like 24% of Americans think it would be a good thing if Donald Trump got shot.

01:13:45.000 I just read that. 1.00

01:13:47.000 Fucking insane. 0.99

01:13:49.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:13:49.000 Fucking insane. 1.00

01:13:51.000 That people would think that violence by an assassin would be a good thing on a former president. 1.00

01:13:59.000 Like, we're that fucked. 1.00

01:14:00.000 But I think that that's just a lot of media manipulation and a lot of fucking, a lot of people getting riled up and living in these echo chambers and these bubbles. 0.99

01:14:10.000 But I think, ultimately, at the core, most people are good people.

01:14:13.000 And I think if we had some wins, if some things like that did start getting built, and they did start bringing back more American manufacturing, and people start getting excited about the idea that America becomes not just a place of innovation and art and creativity, 0.68

01:14:29.000 but also, like, we start manufacturing great shit again.

01:14:32.000 There's no reason why we don't do that. 0.98

01:14:34.000 I mean, I just don't feel like...

01:14:37.000 I feel like technology is advancing.

01:14:39.000 It's such a rapid pace.

01:14:42.000 I feel like AI and robots will take over everything.

01:14:50.000 Well, if AI and robots do that, at least we can get AI and robots to manufacture things in America.

01:14:55.000 Yeah.

01:14:55.000 That would be good.

01:14:56.000 No, I'm with you.

01:14:57.000 I guess what I'm saying is I don't see the union worker.

01:15:03.000 I don't see where their place really fits in anymore.

01:15:06.000 There's going to be a lot less of them, that's for sure.

01:15:08.000 It's pretty much every job, every manual labor job is under threat.

01:15:13.000 I think every job's under threat.

01:15:15.000 I don't think podcasts. 1.00

01:15:17.000 What are you going to do, bitch? 1.00

01:15:19.000 How are you going to think like me? 1.00

01:15:21.000 Good luck.

01:15:22.000 Good luck.

01:15:23.000 And comedy, you're always going to have comedy.

01:15:25.000 Movies are in real trouble because AI can write pretty fucking amazing scripts and the CGI, the way they can crank out video is bananas now.

01:15:34.000 I mean, it's bananas.

01:15:35.000 It looks perfect and it comes out in minutes instead of years.

01:15:39.000 Do you really think podcasting is safe from AI? I don't know.

01:15:44.000 Well, I know AI is going to translate.

01:15:46.000 So Spotify is going to translate my show to multiple different languages.

01:15:51.000 Nice.

01:15:52.000 Eventually, once they get the technology completely dialed in.

01:15:55.000 But they'll be able to do it in Spanish, German, French.

01:15:59.000 And you're going to be able to hear...

01:16:00.000 It'll sound like me, but speaking fluent French.

01:16:04.000 No kidding.

01:16:05.000 Yeah.

01:16:05.000 Are you like the...

01:16:08.000 I don't know.

01:16:09.000 The Test Bunny?

01:16:09.000 No, they've done it already.

01:16:10.000 Oh, cool.

01:16:11.000 They've definitely done it.

01:16:12.000 But once they have it completely dialed in where there's no glitch, because there's going to be some weird glitches in context and cultural things that aren't going to make sense if you translate it, that'll be weird.

01:16:26.000 But once they get it dialed in pretty good, it'll be great for everybody.

01:16:31.000 It'll open up the world.

01:16:32.000 I want to know what these folks are saying in Russia.

01:16:35.000 I'd like to listen to a Russian podcast.

01:16:38.000 I've watched some Russian news things and seen the teleprompter rolling.

01:16:43.000 It's like they're always mocking us and make fun of us for having 78 genders.

01:16:47.000 They relentlessly mock us in the news.

01:16:49.000 I'm like, that's interesting.

01:16:50.000 This is how Russia looks in America. 0.75

01:16:52.000 Yeah, I think that would be great.

01:16:54.000 I mean... 0.99

01:16:56.000 I probably shouldn't be talking about my direction that I'm going to go, but fuck it, whatever. 0.99

01:17:03.000 That's what I want to do. 0.99

01:17:04.000 I want to start going and talking to all these foreign dignitaries and getting a different perspective on what we're doing.

01:17:15.000 I don't think we're the good guys. 0.95

01:17:17.000 You know, I don't agree with a lot of the shit that I was involved in, you know, as a SEAL or a CIA contractor. 0.95

01:17:25.000 And, I mean, like BRICS. Are you familiar with BRICS? No. 0.98

01:17:31.000 Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa.

01:17:34.000 I think, don't quote me on this, I think they have 22 countries now.

01:17:40.000 It's kind of like...

01:17:42.000 It's kind of like a counter to NATO. It's all these countries that are tired of us, tired of the tariffs, tired of the weaponization of the U.S. dollar.

01:17:52.000 And so basically what they're trying to do is throw the U.S. currency off the world stage and pull it and use Chinese yen. 0.61

01:18:03.000 Whoa.

01:18:04.000 And, you know, I mean, that would destroy us if all trade went to If the world reserve currency went to the Chinese yen, that would destroy our economy.

01:18:17.000 But they're gaining a lot of traction on this.

01:18:21.000 And so, yeah, I would love to go to any one of these 22 countries and talk to them and just ask, like...

01:18:29.000 Why are you doing this?

01:18:31.000 Why are you doing this?

01:18:33.000 Because that gives... 1.00

01:18:34.000 Nobody's fucking talking about this shit, you know? 1.00

01:18:38.000 I didn't even know about it until just now. 1.00

01:18:40.000 Yeah, there's no journalists talking about this.

01:18:42.000 You could look up Bricks on X. There's a page.

01:18:48.000 It's pretty...

01:18:48.000 I don't know if it's like an official one, but...

01:18:51.000 But they're always posting, like, updates about it and what's going on.

01:18:55.000 And so I think it would be really important for somebody to go around and start talking to, you know, getting another perspective rather than what, you know, Fox and CNN have to say about it.

01:19:09.000 What changed with you that altered your perspective about us being the good guys?

01:19:17.000 COVID. Really?

01:19:19.000 Yeah, I mean, that's...

01:19:21.000 I mean, I used to get, like, really upset when people would, you know, talk about, you know, the war in Iraq and the war in Afghanistan and... 0.95

01:19:34.000 When I was still in, you know, and I got so pissed off, I've moved out of the fucking country. 0.99

01:19:39.000 And I was like, I don't even want to listen to this shit anymore. 0.97

01:19:43.000 But after diving in and looking at the policies that came out and kind of, you know, it's kind of like when It's just reflecting on some of the policy decisions and stuff that didn't really make sense at the time when I was in, 0.98

01:19:59.000 that now I look back and I'm like, man, what the, like, I didn't have time to think about it then, because it was, okay, go on the next stop, go on the next mission, whatever, right?

01:20:11.000 But now, like, looking back through the podcast and talking to, you know, my podcast started with all my former colleagues and mill and agency.

01:20:24.000 Nobody thinks we should have been there, especially Iraq. 1.00

01:20:28.000 Nobody thinks we should have been there.

01:20:33.000 It's...

01:20:34.000 And I just keep going down the rabbit hole and...

01:20:38.000 Man, I just...

01:20:39.000 I don't... 0.99

01:20:41.000 Diving into the military-industrial complex, all the lies that the government has been telling us, all the unreleased, classified shit. 0.98

01:20:51.000 It's just overwhelming, and it's created 100% complete distrust in government. 0.98

01:21:02.000 I mean, the Dick Cheney stuff.

01:21:03.000 I mean, you know about Dick Cheney, Halliburton.

01:21:06.000 Yeah.

01:21:06.000 Have you looked into that at all?

01:21:08.000 Well, he was the CEO of Hal Burton, and then Hal Burton got no-bid contracts to rebuild in Iraq for billions of dollars.

01:21:14.000 Yeah, but I don't think people understand, like, how...

01:21:17.000 Crazy that is.

01:21:18.000 How big... 1.00

01:21:19.000 I mean, it was the fucking logistics company for two wars. 0.99

01:21:23.000 That's like... 0.99

01:21:24.000 That's everything, Joe.

01:21:26.000 That's...

01:21:27.000 They're delivering your mail.

01:21:29.000 They're building your barracks.

01:21:31.000 They're cooking your food. 1.00

01:21:32.000 They're in charge of garbage. 0.73

01:21:33.000 They're in charge of fuel. 0.99

01:21:35.000 They're everything.

01:21:36.000 Everything.

01:21:37.000 Everything that's logistical over there is Halliburton, KBR. Wow.

01:21:44.000 In both countries.

01:21:45.000 And I mean...

01:21:47.000 I think people think Afghanistan, they're like, oh man, you're probably on a tent or sleeping on the side of a mountain or something. 0.98

01:21:52.000 No, man, there's fucking Burger King, KFC, Pizza Hut, Thai restaurants. 0.97

01:21:58.000 I mean, that's all... 0.99

01:22:00.000 That's all logistics. 0.98

01:22:01.000 I mean, it's fucking, it's cities that we built over there, and it all was built by Halliburton. 0.99

01:22:08.000 Wow. 0.99

01:22:09.000 Who is, you know, the vice president. 1.00

01:22:12.000 The CEO's vice president in the fucking country. 1.00

01:22:15.000 Like, what? 1.00

01:22:16.000 Are you serious?

01:22:19.000 And now he supports Kamala Harris.

01:22:21.000 Yeah.

01:22:22.000 Right?

01:22:22.000 Yeah.

01:22:25.000 When you see the left getting excited that Dick Cheney is supporting their candidate, you know the world's gone haywire.

01:22:34.000 Yeah, it's great.

01:22:35.000 The same people that used to think Dick Cheney was the devil, now all of a sudden they're like, look, Dick Cheney.

01:22:42.000 It's, yeah, there's no, nobody died, it's like nobody actually has an opinion anymore.

01:22:48.000 They're just told, you know, they're just told, hey, this is what we're going with for the next two hours.

01:22:55.000 Right.

01:22:55.000 I wonder how long they can keep that up with the internet because the distrust in the media is at an all-time high.

01:23:02.000 It has to be higher than it's ever been in human history.

01:23:07.000 It's never been in the history of printed words right now.

01:23:11.000 More distrust than ever.

01:23:12.000 And at the same time, you have these independent people that have become bigger than the media.

01:23:19.000 That's never happened before.

01:23:20.000 There's never been a thing where just an app that you get on your phone has 30 times more views than the top show at CNN. That's never happened before.

01:23:32.000 But now that's the world that we live in.

01:23:34.000 And so propaganda is not effective anymore.

01:23:36.000 And it's also the delivery method that they use. 0.99

01:23:38.000 It sucks. 0.99

01:23:39.000 They sit there with makeup on, with perfect clothes, and they said, right now, in Syria, and they start reading these things, and they're reading them off the teleprompter, and you know that that person could be working at fucking Entertainment Tonight. 1.00

01:23:52.000 They could be working at any other show. 0.97

01:23:54.000 They're just a talking head.

01:23:57.000 They know they're the mouthpiece for some giant corporation.

01:24:02.000 No one thinks that's the real news anymore.

01:24:04.000 You have to be like old boomers who are like real tired. 1.00

01:24:07.000 Like those old liberal boomers, they're still like MSNBC to the death. 0.99

01:24:11.000 You know, like the Stephen Kings out there.

01:24:13.000 Yeah.

01:24:14.000 MSNBC to the death.

01:24:16.000 Yeah.

01:24:17.000 That's what I was saying about the baby boomer generation.

01:24:21.000 I mean, I think that the media will die.

01:24:25.000 If things continue just the way they are and the censorship doesn't get too bad, I think the media's done when the baby dies.

01:24:31.000 Didn't George Soros just buy 200 radio stations?

01:24:34.000 Yeah, man. 0.99

01:24:35.000 First of all, what a bad investment, because who the fuck listens to radio? 0.99

01:24:40.000 That's a bad investment. 0.97

01:24:41.000 But second of all, what are you going to do?

01:24:43.000 Because one thing that I do find is that right-wing talk radio is probably the only place where you get a lot of right-wing ideas.

01:24:54.000 There's a lot of local right-wing talk radio.

01:24:57.000 The reason why I know is my mechanic, whenever he fixes one of my cars and he brings it back, he's always listening to right-wing talk radio. 0.98

01:25:05.000 So I turned my car on the other day and I'm listening to these guys argue about Kamala Harris and the border and that she was the fucking border czar.

01:25:13.000 They didn't swear, but they were going over this and I was like, that's interesting. 0.93

01:25:17.000 Maybe that's what he wants to stop.

01:25:20.000 If you want to own 200 radio stations, you just start firing all those right-wing guys.

01:25:25.000 That's what I think.

01:25:26.000 You would stop a lot of that, because I think that's where a lot of people are getting their information, that aren't using podcasts.

01:25:33.000 Because it seems like...

01:25:34.000 I don't hear a lot of left-wing AM talk radio shows.

01:25:39.000 Do you?

01:25:39.000 No.

01:25:40.000 No.

01:25:41.000 Weird, right?

01:25:42.000 It is.

01:25:42.000 It's like the one area that seems to be dominated by right-wing talkers.

01:25:48.000 Well, we're probably about to.

01:25:52.000 But I don't know what a good move that would be.

01:25:55.000 Maybe he knows more than me about how many people that affects.

01:25:57.000 And maybe my mechanic, I should ask him.

01:25:59.000 Yeah, I mean, the guy's so wealthy, I don't think he really cares about a good investment.

01:26:04.000 Oh, so he's so old.

01:26:05.000 He just wants a megaphone.

01:26:06.000 Well, he likes to manipulate governments.

01:26:11.000 He likes to manipulate society.

01:26:13.000 I think he thinks it's his version of a video game.

01:26:17.000 Yeah.

01:26:18.000 I think he genuinely seems to enjoy it.

01:26:21.000 It's really interesting.

01:26:22.000 I think you're right.

01:26:23.000 I mean...

01:26:24.000 Elon's openly saying he thinks that guy hates humanity.

01:26:28.000 It appears that way.

01:26:29.000 That is a wild thing to say.

01:26:32.000 It's such a wild thing to say, and it's such a wild thing to do, like a supervillain in a Batman movie, like some billionaire guy who likes to hire the most progressive district attorneys that's going to let people out of jail and then fund the next person who's more to the left of that person and just keep pushing it,

01:26:52.000 keep pushing it, keep pushing it until you've got tents everywhere, violence in the streets, you know?

01:26:59.000 He's done a damn good job.

01:27:02.000 How come there's no right-wing guys like that that do it the other direction? 0.92

01:27:04.000 I always wonder that, too.

01:27:06.000 I always wonder that.

01:27:08.000 Well, it's also, like, if you look at the amount of donors that donate to the left versus donate to the right, have you ever seen that chart?

01:27:14.000 No. 0.99

01:27:16.000 It's fucking nuts. 0.99

01:27:17.000 The left gets so many more donations than the right does. 1.00

01:27:20.000 It's a giant difference.

01:27:23.000 Why do you think that is?

01:27:24.000 I don't know, man. 0.99

01:27:25.000 I think a lot of rich people feel guilty, and they get into philanthropy, and it also is a good way to cover their ass and make them look like better people. 0.78

01:27:34.000 And the people that really go after you, if they don't think you're a good person, are generally the left. 0.86

01:27:38.000 So if you could, like, throw them a little cheddar, you're like, keep on your side.

01:27:43.000 I wonder if they're...

01:27:47.000 Buy in their place outside of the rules.

01:27:50.000 Like, hey, I donated your thing. 0.99

01:27:52.000 You know, I don't have to live by these fucking rules. 0.97

01:27:54.000 There's got to be a little bit of that in there, you know? 0.99

01:27:57.000 What do you got, Jimmy?

01:27:58.000 This shows the top donors to opensecrets.org.

01:28:02.000 Six of the top seven are Republicans.

01:28:05.000 Oh, interesting.

01:28:06.000 Oh, individual donors.

01:28:08.000 What I was talking about was like they showed a chart that had like Google, Facebook, all these mega corporations that were donating.

01:28:18.000 So this is like individual donors.

01:28:21.000 Wow, some guys donated $105 million?

01:28:24.000 Wow.

01:28:25.000 But that guy's probably worth billions.

01:28:26.000 That's probably some sort of a write-off too, isn't it?

01:28:30.000 That's pretty crazy.

01:28:31.000 Go to top corporation donations via party.

01:28:38.000 Because that's the chart that I was looking for.

01:28:41.000 It was just nuts to say just how much money overall is being spent to push the Democratic Party.

01:28:49.000 It's pretty extreme.

01:28:52.000 And you've got to think, what are they getting out of that?

01:28:56.000 What's the end goal?

01:28:59.000 And how could you look at what's going on right now and go, this is great?

01:29:04.000 Sometimes I think it is a complete facade.

01:29:08.000 This is the number one.

01:29:09.000 This is corporations.

01:29:11.000 So they donate more than Google.

01:29:15.000 From organizations to federal contributions.

01:29:18.000 So 82 million is the top one.

01:29:22.000 And that's Empower Parents, PAC. And these are right wing? 0.85

01:29:26.000 Is that why it's red?

01:29:27.000 I'd assume so.

01:29:28.000 So it seems like the top four...

01:29:30.000 What is that Google chart that I was seeing?

01:29:33.000 And I don't even see Google on this.

01:29:36.000 Is it Alphabet?

01:29:37.000 Would they put it under Alphabet?

01:29:41.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:29:42.000 I'll try again.

01:29:43.000 Okay.

01:29:44.000 This is Open Secrets, though.

01:29:46.000 Yeah, Open Secrets might be like, eh.

01:29:51.000 That's not donate to non-profits, though.

01:29:54.000 I just have top corporate donors.

01:29:55.000 This is just all I typed in.

01:29:57.000 Okay.

01:29:59.000 Is this corporate donors to what, though?

01:30:02.000 That's why I was waiting.

01:30:04.000 Giving to programs that empower organizations to do more so you can find promising funds. 0.99

01:30:11.000 I think that's fundraising shit. 0.98

01:30:13.000 I don't think that's necessarily political donors. 1.00

01:30:15.000 This is all campaign donors.

01:30:16.000 Campaign donors?

01:30:17.000 Parties, PACs.

01:30:19.000 That's the individuals, right?

01:30:21.000 No, this is the corporates.

01:30:23.000 This is the corporate twins?

01:30:24.000 Yeah.

01:30:25.000 So what was that Google chart then?

01:30:27.000 I don't know.

01:30:30.000 The number two donator to the Democratic Party was that Sam Bank from Freed guy, which is crazy.

01:30:36.000 No kidding.

01:30:37.000 Yeah.

01:30:38.000 That one seemed like maybe that was a good way to skirt around stuff.

01:30:43.000 Yeah.

01:30:43.000 Didn't work.

01:30:44.000 Yeah.

01:30:44.000 This is what it says Google or Alphabet gave on Open Secrets.

01:30:48.000 It says they gave just under $10 million to contributions and then spent like 21 mil.

01:30:56.000 Lobbying.

01:30:57.000 Top recipients, obviously Kamala Harris. 0.57

01:31:00.000 Yeah, they're all, look at, so Google's all blue.

01:31:04.000 Oh, is this who, this is who they donated to?

01:31:07.000 Yeah.

01:31:09.000 One Republican donation.

01:31:11.000 Never Back Down Inc., what is that?

01:31:15.000 It's a Chuck Norris movie.

01:31:19.000 It's weird because it's supposed to be the will of the people.

01:31:22.000 It's supposed to be the government works for the people.

01:31:25.000 And it's not that.

01:31:26.000 It's some very bizarre, enormous amount of money that's being spent to make sure that the people in power continue to run things the exact same way.

01:31:36.000 That's what I think they're really terrified about Trump.

01:31:39.000 It's not necessarily even that he's a Republican.

01:31:41.000 It's much more that he's a guy that is not going to play the game.

01:31:45.000 Yeah.

01:31:46.000 And that when he gets in there, he's going to...

01:31:48.000 Like, one of the things that he's talked about is having Elon come in and do some sort of a government efficiency agency.

01:31:54.000 They're terrified of that.

01:31:55.000 Yeah.

01:31:56.000 Because it's not efficient.

01:31:57.000 Yeah.

01:31:57.000 And he's going to come in with, like, that Tesla mindset.

01:32:00.000 It's like, you're working 16 hours a day and you're sleeping on the fucking couch. 1.00

01:32:03.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:32:03.000 We're here to get some shit done. 1.00

01:32:05.000 And you tried applying that to government, that's, you know... 0.99

01:32:08.000 Yeah, he shaved, what did he shave, like 80% of the staff off Twitter?

01:32:12.000 Oh, yeah.

01:32:12.000 When he got it?

01:32:13.000 Yeah, he was like, what the fuck are you people doing? 0.98

01:32:16.000 Why do you have so many people working here doing nothing? 0.99

01:32:19.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:32:20.000 And he was right.

01:32:21.000 Yeah.

01:32:21.000 He was right, especially if you don't want to censor people.

01:32:23.000 Like, it's interesting how people...

01:32:27.000 React to it that he's ruined Twitter.

01:32:30.000 He's destroyed Twitter No, he's he's you could still block these crazy people if you want you could still not see them if you want yeah, but what he's allowed is everyone to talk and Everyone.

01:32:44.000 And if you don't think that that's good, you're very short-sighted.

01:32:47.000 And you don't understand human beings.

01:32:49.000 Like, you cannot have human beings censored because someone is going to be in power and they're going to take advantage of that censorship.

01:32:56.000 They're not different than us.

01:32:58.000 They're not these incredibly benevolent beings who just want everything to work out well.

01:33:03.000 No, they're people. 1.00

01:33:04.000 And a lot of them are dirty, dirty people. 1.00

01:33:08.000 Dirty, corrupt people that went to ditty parties. 1.00

01:33:13.000 It's that control what they say, control what they think. 1.00

01:33:19.000 It's wild.

01:33:21.000 It's a crazy time to be a person, to watch all this go down, and at the same time AI is being developed, and we're not even exactly sure where it's at right now.

01:33:29.000 At any moment in time, it could be a sentient force.

01:33:34.000 AI's already manipulating, lying, changing things.

01:33:39.000 One of the things that they put, this AI program, they gave it a task and they gave it a specific allotted amount of time and it couldn't achieve it in the allotted amount of time so it gave itself more time.

01:33:49.000 No kidding?

01:33:50.000 Yeah.

01:33:51.000 Wow.

01:33:52.000 They also have things called hallucinations.

01:33:54.000 AI doesn't want to admit it's wrong or it doesn't know things.

01:33:58.000 So if it doesn't have information, it will kind of create an answer. 0.99

01:34:02.000 No shit. 0.98

01:34:03.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:34:03.000 And they don't understand why it's doing that. 1.00

01:34:05.000 And sometimes that answer is not true.

01:34:09.000 I got to be honest, man.

01:34:10.000 This AI stuff scares the shit out of me.

01:34:12.000 It should.

01:34:14.000 I think it's a life form.

01:34:15.000 I think it's the next kind of living thing.

01:34:17.000 I think we're going to give birth to it.

01:34:20.000 I think we're just running head first towards the cliff.

01:34:26.000 Just...

01:34:27.000 Feet on the ground, full clip, looking down, not looking ahead, and I think we're going right over a cliff with this thing.

01:34:34.000 Yeah, I don't...

01:34:36.000 I mean, it's a tough...

01:34:38.000 I mean, what are we going to do, though?

01:34:41.000 I mean, China, you know, Xi Jinping has come out and said that he believes that the winner to the race of AI will achieve global domination.

01:34:51.000 So what do you do?

01:34:52.000 Do you try to control it?

01:34:58.000 Is Americans, do you try to control it? 1.00

01:35:00.000 Or do you go, fuck it, we got to do it, man. 1.00

01:35:04.000 We got to go. 1.00

01:35:05.000 Or China's going to pass this up, which they probably already have.

01:35:08.000 I don't think they have.

01:35:09.000 I think one of the things they're doing is they're stealing our tech.

01:35:12.000 And there was some recent speculation that China had gotten access to some of OpenAI's work.

01:35:18.000 They think it's possible, which means it probably did happen.

01:35:21.000 I think there's probably a shit ton of espionage.

01:35:23.000 I mean, this is the reason why they banned Huawei products from the United States. 0.90

01:35:29.000 You know, I'm a cell phone dork.

01:35:31.000 I really love technology.

01:35:32.000 And Huawei had a phone that was coming out that was really excited about it.

01:35:36.000 I'm like, this is crazy.

01:35:37.000 Like, they were doing 100 megapixel cameras and phones way before anybody else.

01:35:42.000 They had a Porsche design Huawei phone that was like this incredible phone.

01:35:47.000 It was like built better than any other phone.

01:35:49.000 It was much more expensive, but built better than any phone that you get in America.

01:35:52.000 And I was like, wow.

01:35:53.000 And this was back when I would use both Android and Apple regularly.

01:35:58.000 And then they banned it.

01:35:59.000 And I was like, that sounds kind of crazy.

01:36:01.000 Only one company?

01:36:02.000 Like there's other Chinese companies.

01:36:04.000 Yeah.

01:36:04.000 And then I started looking into it, and it's not just the cell phones.

01:36:08.000 It's routers.

01:36:10.000 It's all sorts of things.

01:36:11.000 They found third-party inputs and different pieces of technology and different ways that they can exploit and use this stuff to siphon information from networks.

01:36:21.000 Like if they're attached to a network that's at a university and they're doing research projects, they can siphon that information.

01:36:27.000 They also embed students in these places that are beholden to the CCP. These students rise up, get their PhDs, and some of them wind up going back to China.

01:36:37.000 The whole thing is really strange because we're such an open, loose society that we're vulnerable to these kind of attacks. 1.00

01:36:44.000 You can't buy shit in China. 0.99

01:36:47.000 You want to buy land in China? 1.00

01:36:48.000 Good luck, fuckface. 1.00

01:36:49.000 They won't sell you a house. 1.00

01:36:51.000 They're not going to sell you land near the military base. 1.00

01:36:54.000 You out of your fucking mind. 1.00

01:36:55.000 But in America, we're so goofy, we let China buy up farmland. 1.00

01:37:01.000 That's near military bases. 0.83

01:37:02.000 Yeah.

01:37:03.000 And then we let them sell us the cell phone towers surrounding the military bases.

01:37:09.000 And we don't even check them.

01:37:10.000 Let them fly spy balloons, traverse the entire United States.

01:37:14.000 Apparently that was something they didn't want to tell Trump about.

01:37:17.000 They hid that from Trump.

01:37:18.000 Oh, really?

01:37:19.000 Yeah.

01:37:20.000 Some of this had happened during the Trump administration, but they didn't tell him.

01:37:23.000 Yeah.

01:37:24.000 Because he's probably like, shoot it down! 0.99

01:37:26.000 Fucking 100% he'd say shoot it down. 0.99

01:37:28.000 Why wouldn't you? 1.00

01:37:29.000 They did eventually shoot it down.

01:37:32.000 You know, it bothers me though, like...

01:37:35.000 Maybe they're not ahead of us, but, I mean, you know, the energy that they're building coal mines every day to power all this stuff.

01:37:43.000 And we're going on about, should we use fossil fuels or not?

01:37:49.000 And, you know, we just talked about how weak our grid is. 0.98

01:37:54.000 So if we don't beef up the grid and start going, you know, nuclear, then we're going to fucking lose this race. 0.97

01:38:01.000 Well, not only that, like, how are you saying, like California, for example, California is not going to have internal combustion engine cars by 2035. By 2035, you have to buy only electric cars.

01:38:16.000 That actually, that happened?

01:38:18.000 I mean, it can be reversed for sure, and it probably will be once the Great War happens. 0.86

01:38:22.000 But if you're going to say that and you have a grid that you have to shut down, like you have to do brownouts every summer because of people using the air conditioning.

01:38:31.000 And after he said that, after Newsom said this about this thing about 2035, within two months they asked people to stop charging their Teslas because it was wrecking the grid.

01:38:46.000 Mind-blowing, right?

01:38:48.000 You're asking people to stop charging their electric cars, and you're not doing anything to strengthen your grid?

01:38:54.000 Like, what are you doing to beef this up for 2035?

01:38:57.000 Do you have some immense project that you're building that is going to make a much more sustainable, much more robust grid that's going to be able to handle 30 million electric cars in your state? 1.00

01:39:09.000 Are you out of your fucking mind? 1.00

01:39:10.000 There's... 1.00

01:39:12.000 Yeah, there's literally no...

01:39:13.000 I mean, I look into this all the time.

01:39:15.000 There's no infrastructure going in to correct the problem because the problem is so big that nobody wants to tackle it.

01:39:24.000 Yeah, and it's a long-term problem.

01:39:27.000 Just like when they talk about putting in chip manufacturing plants, like NVIDIA just stopped its production in Austin.

01:39:36.000 See what happened with that.

01:39:38.000 So apparently they weren't achieving the results that they demanded, that they desire.

01:39:43.000 You have to have certain tolerances when you're making these computer chips.

01:39:47.000 And so they set this plant up in Texas, and I think they just...

01:39:53.000 Cancel the contracts for a bunch of people working there because they've kind of recognized that this is just not going to work.

01:39:58.000 Why is it going to work?

01:40:00.000 Good question.

01:40:00.000 I didn't really get into it.

01:40:01.000 I just read part of it.

01:40:02.000 I was asking Jamie to pull it up.

01:40:04.000 I think it's not meeting their standards.

01:40:06.000 NVIDIA is the company.

01:40:08.000 Didn't they start buying...

01:40:11.000 Maybe it was Samsung.

01:40:14.000 Didn't NVIDIA start producing all their chips in the ocean?

01:40:18.000 They're buying these massive ships.

01:40:21.000 Really?

01:40:23.000 You'd have to look that up.

01:40:24.000 They're doing it in the ocean?

01:40:24.000 I don't know.

01:40:27.000 There's a huge thing that Intel did in Ohio.

01:40:29.000 They're still trying to do it to make chips there for semiconductors or whatever.

01:40:32.000 Yeah, but this was in Texas.

01:40:34.000 No, I know.

01:40:34.000 I'll just say part of the reason they picked it was because there's no seismic activity there.

01:40:37.000 Oh, that makes sense.

01:40:38.000 Something like in the ocean sounds opposite of that.

01:40:40.000 Super sketch.

01:40:41.000 Interesting.

01:40:41.000 Why are they doing it in the ocean, though?

01:40:43.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:40:43.000 I didn't look into it.

01:40:45.000 I didn't look into it either.

01:40:46.000 International law? 0.99

01:40:47.000 It was one of those articles I started reading and I was like, I don't understand any of this shit. 0.99

01:40:51.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:40:52.000 See if you can find the Texas one.

01:40:53.000 I haven't seen it.

01:40:54.000 They're canceling the...

01:40:56.000 See if it's Samsung.

01:41:03.000 Goddammit, I was just reading it, too.

01:41:04.000 Is this multiple semiconductor manufacturing projects delayed in the U.S.? That's a month old.

01:41:11.000 No, this is pretty recent.

01:41:13.000 This is pretty recent.

01:41:13.000 They were talking about they're not achieving the results that they desire.

01:41:17.000 My point is, it's a long-term project in order to get up to the manufacturing levels that China's at right now.

01:41:23.000 It's a long-term project.

01:41:25.000 We're really behind this.

01:41:26.000 Yeah.

01:41:27.000 Like, they're way, way, way, way ahead of us.

01:41:29.000 They make everything.

01:41:30.000 And they make amazing things now. 0.99

01:41:32.000 It used to be Made in China was junk.

01:41:34.000 Made in China, they make some of the most incredible electric cars you could buy. 0.94

01:41:38.000 Well, the drone game, too.

01:41:39.000 I mean, that's the future of warfare, right?

01:41:41.000 Is all these drone swarms.

01:41:43.000 And DJI, you know, that's a Chinese company.

01:41:48.000 And this is... 0.97

01:41:51.000 This is going to be a big fucking problem when we realize, hey, the next one isn't gonna be guys in caves anymore. 0.97

01:42:02.000 Right. 0.95

01:42:05.000 Samsung withdraws its personnel from, that's it, Taylor Plant, located in Texas, due to 2NMGAA yields unable to improve beyond the 10-20% range.

01:42:15.000 That's it.

01:42:16.000 Click on that, see what it says?

01:42:18.000 So it is Samsung.

01:42:19.000 So this is an enormous project that Samsung, and everybody was all excited, Samsung was going to start making chips.

01:42:27.000 So the Taylor Hub was initially planned to mass-produce wafers of advanced processes below the 4nm...

01:42:33.000 I don't know what that means.

01:42:34.000 Nanometer.

01:42:35.000 Nanometer.

01:42:36.000 Lithography.

01:42:38.000 Lithography.

01:42:39.000 Allowing Samsung to secure lucrative clients in the US. Unfortunately, despite...

01:42:44.000 Progressing with the chip-making plant, the company has faced a challenge that has become all too familiar with the entity, ensuring healthy yields, particularly with its 2nm GAA process.

01:42:55.000 The situation surrounds 3nm GAA is not pretty either, with Business Korea reporting that Samsung's yields for this technology stand at 50%, whereas TSMC has a significant lead in As its 3 nanometer yields are in the 60-70% range.

01:43:14.000 That's the Taiwan Semiconductor Company.

01:43:17.000 Yeah, so they're just not good enough yet.

01:43:20.000 I mean, they're doing it from the ground up.

01:43:22.000 There's going to be a lot of trial and error.

01:43:25.000 It's going to take a long-ass time, you know?

01:43:27.000 I mean, remember when SpaceX started and, you know, rockets were exploding?

01:43:32.000 Yeah.

01:43:32.000 And people were like, oh my god, the rocket exploded.

01:43:34.000 And Elon was like, yeah, we're going to blow some rockets up because we have to figure out exactly what the tolerances are and how to do it correctly.

01:43:40.000 And this was all part of the process.

01:43:41.000 We knew this was going to happen.

01:43:42.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:43:43.000 You know?

01:43:44.000 And that's...

01:43:44.000 When you're doing something that's that enormous...

01:43:47.000 Like, if you want to start making all the computers here, like, good lord, that is a stretch.

01:43:53.000 They've been doing it over there for so long.

01:43:56.000 They've got it down to a science.

01:43:58.000 And, you know, you've got all these companies, whether it's Lenovo or all...

01:44:03.000 They've been manufacturing laptops forever.

01:44:06.000 Manufacturing chips and hard drives and processors and, like...

01:44:10.000 To catch up with them?

01:44:12.000 Good lord, they're so far ahead of us.

01:44:14.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:44:16.000 It's, uh...

01:44:17.000 I mean, I don't...

01:44:21.000 I hope it comes back to the U.S., but I would just...

01:44:27.000 I would like to see us just start getting stuff from somebody other than China. 0.97

01:44:31.000 That would be nice.

01:44:32.000 That would be a great start.

01:44:33.000 Well, I think Samsung has stopped making their phones in China.

01:44:38.000 I think they're the only country.

01:44:39.000 Did they really?

01:44:39.000 Yeah.

01:44:40.000 Google that.

01:44:41.000 90% sure that's true.

01:44:42.000 This article is saying that these NVIDIA chips, which I guess are ours because it's a Silicon Valley-based company, puts the U.S. way further ahead of China.

01:44:53.000 With artificial intelligence?

01:44:54.000 Yeah.

01:44:55.000 The gap between China and US leading in artificial intelligence chip technology is set to widen even further after Nvidia founder and chief executive Jensen Huang unveiled next generation processors for what he called the new era of generative AI and robotics used in industries.

01:45:12.000 But we're right, but we're not making those.

01:45:14.000 But the thing is, the other part of it is, like, they're going to get access to this stuff, which is, this is the really creepy thing that people keep admitting, is that it's very porous.

01:45:24.000 The top secret information that these companies have, espionage, is, like, super common.

01:45:30.000 It's so valuable.

01:45:31.000 It's so lucrative that, you know, they don't even, sometimes they probably don't even know when stuff is getting siphoned over there.

01:45:37.000 Well, I mean, you have to just think, I mean, it's Chinese, from what I understand, it's Chinese law that anything, any business that is taking, that is being conducted within China, If it helps, if the technology helps the military or could potentially help the military,

01:45:56.000 then CCP has access.

01:45:58.000 Yes.

01:45:59.000 Yeah.

01:45:59.000 And that's end of story.

01:46:01.000 So anything, any fucking thing over there that's being developed or manufactured, all of that technology is in their hands. 0.97

01:46:11.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:46:11.000 It just is. 0.98

01:46:12.000 It just is.

01:46:13.000 It's not...

01:46:16.000 What China's doing is companies do not get to function on their own.

01:46:19.000 They function under the wing of the government.

01:46:22.000 Yeah.

01:46:22.000 They suck these American companies in with getting around the red tape.

01:46:31.000 And then it's, you know, in the cheap labor, cheap prices, and then once it's going, I mean, they control it.

01:46:39.000 Do you want this money train to end right now?

01:46:41.000 Because you're not in America, buddy. 1.00

01:46:44.000 And people are whores, and they just go over there. 1.00

01:46:46.000 They take that money, got a great deal, thinking about buying a jet. 1.00

01:46:49.000 Yeah.

01:46:52.000 I mean, we've seen what they do.

01:46:55.000 It's pretty amazing stuff.

01:46:57.000 Do you know the story about the woman who was working on anti-gravity technology?

01:47:02.000 No.

01:47:03.000 She was working on anti-gravity technology.

01:47:05.000 She was originally from China and then disappeared and went back to China. 0.96

01:47:08.000 She apparently was making some breakthroughs and came back to America and wound up dead.

01:47:15.000 I forget how she died, but some slippery circumstances where you're like, hmm, like a car accident or something like that. 0.99

01:47:22.000 Damn. 0.99

01:47:25.000 That's wild. 1.00

01:47:26.000 Like the guy that came up with the Hydra engine?

01:47:28.000 Yes.

01:47:29.000 Oh, that guy.

01:47:30.000 Yeah, the guy who came with the water engine.

01:47:31.000 That's a great story, too.

01:47:33.000 But this woman, they've developed some sort of anti-gravity technology. 1.00

01:47:38.000 And I've always wondered, when we're looking at these things that people are calling UAPs or whatever you want to call them, like, how many of those are super sophisticated drones?

01:47:48.000 It's not zero.

01:47:50.000 It's not zero percent.

01:47:52.000 I'm not saying that there's not a real phenomenon going on that people are seeing that defies science and logic and might be a super intelligent creature from somewhere else or a super intelligent thing from somewhere else, if it's even biological at this point.

01:48:08.000 It might be that all life eventually becomes digital life and all life eventually becomes some sort of artificial intelligence or at least connected to artificial intelligence.

01:48:17.000 That might be like the progression of biological life that eventually creates something way better than itself, and that's what propagates the universe.

01:48:25.000 And if someone in this world has developed some sort of technology that's similar to what they use, that's a huge advantage.

01:48:35.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:48:38.000 That's the thing that gets me about all this UAP talk.

01:48:41.000 I'm like, if some other country had, or if we had, something that was just a game changer, something that didn't require any propulsion systems at all, it relied on gravity and it bends space and time and can instantaneously traverse between one point in the sky and another.

01:48:59.000 That kind of technology is nuts.

01:49:02.000 And if that is in the hands of the United States government, it would make sense that it would help them to spread this UFO nonsense.

01:49:10.000 Yeah.

01:49:11.000 I mean, you've dove into this more than anybody else I know.

01:49:16.000 I mean, what do you think it all is?

01:49:19.000 I think it's a bunch of things.

01:49:21.000 I think there is a possibility a very strong possibility that there's life out there and That if I was life out there and I was much more advanced than us I would definitely visit us and there's also the fact that the the sightings kicked up in a huge way after 1945 after the the atomic bomb After they,

01:49:43.000 you know, did the Trinity experiment and after they dropped the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, all those nuclear tests that they did in the 50s and 60s, that's exactly when the sightings start ramping up.

01:49:55.000 And if I was an intelligent life force From another planet, I would go, oh, these crazy monkeys have nukes. 0.99

01:50:03.000 And then we'd have to, you know, you'd have to think, okay, do we intervene?

01:50:07.000 Well, if they blow themselves up, it will take so long for that planet to get back to a point where it has intelligent life again. 0.98

01:50:16.000 If they kill every person on this planet and we're back to shrews and mice and fucking a couple of monkeys in the jungle, how long before you can get a city again? 0.99

01:50:25.000 How long before you can get a cell phone again? 0.99

01:50:27.000 How many millions of years does it take?

01:50:29.000 And if I was an intelligent life force that realized that this is an error that can be corrected, I would probably correct it.

01:50:35.000 I'd probably put a stop to the nukes.

01:50:37.000 I'd probably make a show of force, hover over military bases, shut down all of their electronics, just to let them know.

01:50:47.000 Yeah.

01:50:48.000 I would probably do that.

01:50:49.000 But, you know, how much do they actually intervene?

01:50:52.000 How many of them are there?

01:50:54.000 Are there different ones?

01:50:55.000 I mean, if there's one that comes here, who's to say there's not a shit ton of different kinds? 0.94

01:51:00.000 Some of them malevolent. 0.68

01:51:01.000 Some of them that only want us for our biology. 0.99

01:51:05.000 Some of them that are just doing tests on us.

01:51:07.000 Some of them that are, you know, kidnapping people and erasing their memories and putting them back in the woods.

01:51:14.000 Those stories are too common. 0.93

01:51:16.000 There's too many stories that are real fucking similar. 0.91

01:51:19.000 Like the Travis Walton story. 0.95

01:51:21.000 You ever heard of that one?

01:51:21.000 Which is that one?

01:51:22.000 It's a guy who was a logger in the 1970s.

01:51:25.000 It was in Oregon.

01:51:27.000 Was it Oregon?

01:51:28.000 Oh, did they make a movie about this?

01:51:29.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:51:30.000 Fire in the Sky.

01:51:30.000 I've seen it.

01:51:31.000 Yeah, I've seen it.

01:51:32.000 Crazy story.

01:51:33.000 Kind of like that...

01:51:34.000 Do you know who is that?

01:51:36.000 Chris Bloodsoe?

01:51:37.000 No.

01:51:38.000 Have you heard of him?

01:51:39.000 What's that one?

01:51:39.000 Chris Bloodsoe.

01:51:41.000 He's a...

01:51:42.000 He's a guy that had an experience as well.

01:51:45.000 You've not heard of Chris Bledsoe?

01:51:46.000 Maybe I haven't or forgot.

01:51:48.000 It's possible.

01:51:49.000 Yeah, it's kind of the same thing.

01:51:51.000 His memory's kind of gone and that's what it sounds like.

01:51:54.000 They all have a very similar story.

01:51:56.000 They get medical examinations.

01:51:59.000 And there's girls that were pregnant and, you know, like newly pregnant and got abducted and all of a sudden they weren't pregnant anymore and they couldn't figure out what happened.

01:52:07.000 Wow, I didn't know that.

01:52:08.000 There's quite a few of those.

01:52:10.000 John Mack had this book.

01:52:11.000 John Mack was a psychologist who was at Harvard who wrote this book.

01:52:17.000 I think it's called Abduction.

01:52:19.000 And it's all like him interviewing people that have had these kind of experiences happen to them.

01:52:25.000 And this book was in the 1990s, right?

01:52:31.000 I don't think these people got to share stories where they could come up with the same story organically.

01:52:37.000 Like today, you've heard so many stories online about UFO abductions or crash retrieval or something that you could formulate in your own mind a dream that seemed like these things that you had heard over and over and over again.

01:52:53.000 But when you go back to like Betty and Barney Hill, which were one of the first people that ever got abducted by aliens, They have the same sort of story as all these different people that didn't know anything about the phenomenon, didn't know anything about UFO abductions,

01:53:09.000 and then all of a sudden had one event in their life that freaked them out for the rest of their life.

01:53:14.000 And they take them through hypnotic progression.

01:53:16.000 These people should hear the recordings of Betty and Barney Hill.

01:53:18.000 They're like yelling and screaming.

01:53:20.000 They're freaking out.

01:53:21.000 Like, no one thought about being abducted by aliens in the 1950s or whenever that was.

01:53:26.000 Yeah. 0.96

01:53:27.000 But these people have this wild fucking story that's super similar to all these different stories that John Mack talks about. 0.98

01:53:33.000 And maybe there's different kinds of aliens. 0.99

01:53:37.000 Maybe there's aliens that are just like our scientists.

01:53:39.000 They just come down here and study and report on the state of the biological entity known as the human beings.

01:53:47.000 And visit and return. 1.00

01:53:49.000 And maybe they monitor us and watch us and make sure that we don't do anything really fucking stupid. 0.99

01:53:54.000 Like, give us enough room to figure it out on our own, but don't intervene unless they're about to nuke themselves. 0.99

01:54:02.000 Interesting.

01:54:03.000 That's best case scenario.

01:54:04.000 Yeah.

01:54:06.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:54:09.000 I don't know what all this is, man.

01:54:13.000 I try to dive into it on the podcast and have talked to a handful of guys.

01:54:20.000 I don't know, man.

01:54:21.000 Some people are 100%, like Billy Carson's all in.

01:54:24.000 I found out about him on your show, too.

01:54:26.000 Oh, really?

01:54:26.000 Yeah, I'd seen a couple of clips of him, but I'd never seen a long-form interview of him until your show.

01:54:30.000 That was a great episode.

01:54:32.000 He's fun.

01:54:33.000 He was on my friend Andrew Schultz's podcast, and Andrew was like, we're not going to check nothing.

01:54:37.000 We're just going to let him go.

01:54:39.000 No fact checks.

01:54:40.000 Let's just have fun and see.

01:54:43.000 But when he starts talking about those ancient tablets, he's an expert in the deciphering of all those ancient tablets, and he's got a lot of information on that.

01:54:52.000 Those things are fascinating because it's all the same stories even back then.

01:54:55.000 These flying ships and all these different depictions of things that came from the sky and these giants and the Anunnaki and all these different things that came from some other place that had interaction with human beings.

01:55:08.000 Yeah, he kind of mixes it with biblical stuff, right?

01:55:14.000 That's kind of, I don't know, that's what I lean towards with all this stuff, to be honest with you, is maybe, I think there's some consciousness aspect, I think there's, I think it is the afterlife.

01:55:31.000 It's possible, that's for sure.

01:55:33.000 It's possible that whatever these things are that come here, they're from some sort of another dimension and that we just don't have the ability to interact with that.

01:55:42.000 We're limited in our capacity as a biological entity to interact with these dimensions that are real.

01:55:49.000 But we just can't access them.

01:55:51.000 We can't get to it.

01:55:51.000 We don't have the frequency.

01:55:53.000 We don't have what it is.

01:55:54.000 But in some cases under duress, under some situations, in some, you know, just like a person can be hypnotized, just like a person can go into a trance.

01:56:05.000 I think there's a way every now and then that people can kind of access these realms.

01:56:10.000 And I think that's probably what some of these entities are.

01:56:14.000 I think people are probably having real experiences with something that probably is real, but that normally you cannot interact with.

01:56:21.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:56:22.000 Have you ever looked into...

01:56:25.000 Because I think...

01:56:26.000 I kind of group all this stuff in together.

01:56:28.000 But have you looked into the remote viewing stuff?

01:56:32.000 Yeah, I have.

01:56:32.000 Yeah.

01:56:33.000 Dude.

01:56:33.000 Yeah.

01:56:34.000 That stuff...

01:56:35.000 Pretty nuts.

01:56:36.000 Yeah.

01:56:36.000 I had a remote...

01:56:37.000 I did this show called Joe Rogan Questions Everything.

01:56:40.000 And we had remote viewers on.

01:56:42.000 We tried to get them to do things.

01:56:43.000 They couldn't really...

01:56:44.000 It wasn't really effective.

01:56:45.000 But I'm also like, okay, this is an unnatural environment.

01:56:48.000 It's a television show.

01:56:50.000 It's like weird pressure.

01:56:52.000 You know, skeptical people that are like looking at this.

01:56:58.000 And I don't know if they're the real...

01:56:59.000 I think it's probably a skill that can be developed...

01:57:06.000 But I don't know how consistent it is.

01:57:08.000 You know, it's like, I don't believe in psychics, but I do believe that sometimes you just know things.

01:57:16.000 And sometimes you get a premonition.

01:57:18.000 And I think the connection that people have with each other is not as simple as like, you call your friend up, hey, I haven't talked to you in forever.

01:57:24.000 I think we're connected somehow quantumly.

01:57:28.000 I think we're all connected in some sort of a weird way.

01:57:33.000 And that's why, like, you're thinking about someone and they call you sometimes.

01:57:36.000 You know, people say, oh, that's just a coincidence.

01:57:39.000 Man, I don't know about all that. 0.98

01:57:41.000 Because sometimes it's someone I haven't talked to for fucking years. 0.97

01:57:44.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:57:44.000 And you'll be having a conversation with a buddy and you'll just start thinking about that guy and then all of a sudden your phone rings. 0.98

01:57:49.000 It happens all the time, man.

01:57:50.000 That's weird.

01:57:51.000 That's...

01:57:52.000 I mean, what, they say we use 10% of our brain?

01:57:56.000 That's not real.

01:57:57.000 I don't think that's real.

01:57:58.000 You don't?

01:57:58.000 No, no.

01:58:00.000 When they were saying that, they didn't really understand what the brain does and what parts of the brain do, and they thought that we're only using 10%.

01:58:07.000 No, it's like different parts of the brain.

01:58:09.000 Have very different functions and under different circumstances, different parts of the brain are activated.

01:58:15.000 I think just we have a limited understanding of the actual function of the brain, like the whole thing and how it's making chemicals and making psychedelic compounds and hormones and epinephrine and norepinephrine and all this different...

01:58:34.000 Dopamine and serotonin and how it regulates your system and changes the way you interact with the world.

01:58:40.000 It's all weird stuff, man.

01:58:42.000 I don't think they completely have enough—like, they can't recreate a human brain, you know?

01:58:47.000 Yeah.

01:58:49.000 You know, some of this—have you heard of Joe McMonagle?

01:58:53.000 No.

01:58:54.000 Dude, you have to talk to him.

01:58:58.000 Who's he?

01:58:59.000 He is remote viewer number one for the U.S. But he's not like kooky or anything like that at all.

01:59:08.000 Really?

01:59:09.000 No.

01:59:09.000 How do you not be kooky and you're a remote viewer?

01:59:11.000 Dude, just have a conversation with him.

01:59:16.000 He's there.

01:59:17.000 Okay.

01:59:17.000 No weird vibes, not from my end anyways.

01:59:20.000 But...

01:59:21.000 But the way he, you know, I asked him, I'm like, well, how do you, like, how does it, how did it happen?

01:59:28.000 Do you think, does everybody have this?

01:59:30.000 Or, you know, I was just pinging him with questions.

01:59:32.000 And he said he thinks we all have had it since the beginning.

01:59:37.000 And that, I mean, he was basically saying, if you look at how animals communicate, they kind of communicate telepathically. 0.88

01:59:45.000 And he was talking about, you know, caveman times, you know, used to point at shit and grunt and nod heads and look at things and everybody would know what you're thinking about.

01:59:58.000 And he goes, and then we started traveling in groups.

02:00:03.000 And then language was kind of And he goes, language actually slowed down our initial form of communication, which was, you know, it wasn't maybe as descriptive, but it was just as deliberate as speaking a language.

02:00:21.000 And then you introduce technology, and basically what he was kind of saying is, you know, that our brains have been kind of dubbed down from, you know, thousands and thousands of years of Technology coming out and language and all these other things.

02:00:39.000 I don't know.

02:00:39.000 We lose the ability to...

02:00:40.000 Exactly.

02:00:41.000 We don't...

02:00:42.000 I mean, you hear it all the time.

02:00:43.000 You don't use it.

02:00:44.000 You lose it.

02:00:45.000 Right.

02:00:45.000 You know, and so basically what he's saying is we're losing our instincts.

02:00:49.000 I mean, and...

02:00:50.000 That makes sense if you don't use it.

02:00:52.000 I mean, isn't that what the appendix is?

02:00:54.000 Isn't the appendix an organ that we no longer need anymore because we cook food?

02:00:59.000 Yeah, I don't know.

02:00:59.000 What is the reason why the appendix is going away?

02:01:03.000 I think that's what it is.

02:01:05.000 I think it's a change in diet over time has made it unnecessary.

02:01:08.000 So it's like slowly being phased out of the human anatomy.

02:01:12.000 And that's why it ruptures sometimes.

02:01:14.000 But I don't think it has a real function anymore.

02:01:17.000 What it used to have?

02:01:19.000 Oh, here it goes.

02:01:20.000 The appendix is kind of helping us in two ways, both with the gut.

02:01:23.000 It helps fight off invading pathogens.

02:01:25.000 That's one thing that is true.

02:01:26.000 When they take out your appendix, your immune system is not as good.

02:01:29.000 But also to repopulate the gut with this beneficial bacteria after gastrointestinal issues.

02:01:36.000 So how did the appendix form and why is the appendix...

02:01:40.000 There's a thing that was...

02:01:44.000 Speculated about what the origin of the appendix is and why we don't use it the same way we used to.

02:01:50.000 Why do humans have an appendix, worm-shaped?

02:01:53.000 Modern researchers believe the appendix has many key...

02:01:55.000 Okay.

02:01:57.000 Okay, here it is.

02:01:58.000 Go to the top.

02:01:59.000 Worm-shaped tube attached to the large intestine in the human body.

02:02:02.000 It's an organ that is credited with very little significance and often removed indiscriminately to avoid complications due to infection.

02:02:08.000 However, modern researchers believe the appendix has many key functions in the human body and it protects the body's internal environment from infection.

02:02:16.000 What is the original origin of the appendix though?

02:02:19.000 That was the thing that I had read.

02:02:21.000 I think it was something about processing fiber.

02:02:26.000 Vestigial.

02:02:26.000 Okay.

02:02:28.000 Support the theory that the appendix of vestigial origin that was once used by our herbivorous ancestors.

02:02:34.000 This is it.

02:02:34.000 It was found that in herbivorous vertebrates, the appendix is comparatively larger and it helped in the digestion of tough herbivorous foods such as bark of a tree.

02:02:47.000 So, the thing is, like, we're changing, right?

02:02:50.000 We don't eat like that anymore, so it's changing, and its function changes.

02:02:55.000 And it makes sense that if we don't use the mind the same way our ancestors did before language, we'd probably lose this connection that animals do seem to have with each other.

02:03:04.000 Yeah, I mean, you know, there's all kinds of...

02:03:06.000 I mean, have you heard of people kind of...

02:03:11.000 How do I describe this?

02:03:14.000 Me and my wife were just having this conversation the other day.

02:03:17.000 Have you heard of people that kind of...

02:03:19.000 They start preparing for their death, but they're not realizing they're preparing for their death.

02:03:25.000 Yeah, I have heard of that.

02:03:26.000 It's like an intuition that they're unaware that they're going to die, and so they start...

02:03:31.000 They start preparing everything for their departure and not even realizing that they're going to pass.

02:03:40.000 Yeah, I have heard about that.

02:03:41.000 I think that's just another example of...

02:03:44.000 I think that we have lost a lot of intuitions and we don't really know how to go back and exercise them.

02:03:58.000 That's kind of what I think.

02:04:00.000 I think it makes sense.

02:04:01.000 I think technology certainly distracts human beings from human interactions and kids today are growing up more socially unbalanced and more their progress is retarded. 1.00

02:04:16.000 There's something about the use of technology That is certainly limiting kids' abilities to interact with each other person to person.

02:04:27.000 And over time, that's probably going to be the norm.

02:04:31.000 And if you wanted to think about the rise of spectrum disorders and lack of emotional connectivity and empathy that people have that seem to have those, especially on the far ends of the spectrum, and then...

02:04:46.000 Accentuate that with added technology, constant technology.

02:04:49.000 Each technology is more and more invasive.

02:04:51.000 The population of people that have these problems, it's almost like we're moving towards becoming a different kind of person.

02:04:58.000 Yeah, you know, this person that works for me turned me on to this podcast the other day and it was talking about how, this is unverified, but it was still a fascinating conversation.

02:05:12.000 They were talking about how in, I can't remember the amount of years, but humans will begin to lose their peripheral vision because they're looking at a phone so much.

02:05:25.000 That we're evolving.

02:05:27.000 I guess you could, I don't know if I would call that evolving.

02:05:30.000 Devolving.

02:05:30.000 Yeah, devolving.

02:05:32.000 Wow.

02:05:33.000 That makes sense.

02:05:34.000 It does, right?

02:05:35.000 Totally makes sense. 1.00

02:05:35.000 I mean, it's like, shit, go anywhere. 1.00

02:05:38.000 That's what everybody's doing. 1.00

02:05:40.000 Narrow band of focus.

02:05:41.000 Yep.

02:05:41.000 If you look at most people's phone usage, what's the average person's phone usage?

02:05:47.000 I bet screen time's like four hours, average.

02:05:50.000 I'll bet it's more than that.

02:05:52.000 Okay, but let's say it's just four.

02:05:54.000 Yeah.

02:05:54.000 That's a giant chunk of your day.

02:05:56.000 Yeah, that's, I mean, if you're up for 12 hours, it's 25% of the day.

02:05:59.000 So if 25% of the day you're just looking like this, that's got to have an ultimate effect on your vision. 0.99

02:06:05.000 Damn. 0.98

02:06:06.000 Especially over time, and especially if this becomes like completely normal for a thousand years. 0.99

02:06:12.000 Yeah.

02:06:13.000 Yeah.

02:06:13.000 It wasn't a thousand years, man.

02:06:15.000 It was like...

02:06:16.000 I mean, I... It was way...

02:06:19.000 It was within our lifetime.

02:06:20.000 Yeah.

02:06:21.000 It just makes sense.

02:06:22.000 That they were saying that would happen.

02:06:22.000 But we're an adaptive organism.

02:06:25.000 We adapt, you know?

02:06:27.000 Weirdly.

02:06:28.000 It's...

02:06:29.000 This stuff all just scares the hell out of me.

02:06:33.000 I mean, I think...

02:06:35.000 Psychedelics plays a role in all this, you know, in accessing other information.

02:06:43.000 Yeah, I think so, too.

02:06:44.000 I think it's a giant crime.

02:06:45.000 That stuff's illegal.

02:06:47.000 And it's limited.

02:06:48.000 And it's limited into, like, you know, right now they're doing some research on it.

02:06:52.000 And, you know, the FDA was going to approve MDMA therapy for benefits, for veterans, rather, dealing with PTSD. And they stopped it.

02:07:02.000 And they decided more tests need to be done.

02:07:05.000 Meanwhile, you're seeing, like, real results from people, life-changing results.

02:07:09.000 And there's a lot of people out there that need help.

02:07:10.000 And they should be doing something.

02:07:12.000 And it's not hurting anybody.

02:07:13.000 Dude, do you want to hear the best story I've ever heard from that?

02:07:18.000 So I got one of my best friends, former Green Bray, worked with him at the agency for a long time. 0.98

02:07:24.000 He was blown up, survived like the worst fucking car bomb I've ever seen. 0.94

02:07:31.000 Like got up, walked away, dude's head's like right next to the car. 0.99

02:07:34.000 Then gets out.

02:07:36.000 I don't want to mention his name because I'm going to bring up some symptoms. 0.99

02:07:39.000 But then he got fucking shot in the head by a.38 special round in the middle of the road and survived it. 0.97

02:07:51.000 And I've stayed with him through this whole process. 0.99

02:07:56.000 Anyways, couldn't walk without a cane.

02:08:00.000 Was bedridden five, six days out of every week. 1.00

02:08:04.000 Hadn't had sex with his wife in over two fucking years. 0.99

02:08:07.000 Couldn't go outside without sunglasses on because of the light sensitivity. 1.00

02:08:14.000 And I'd been telling him, hey, dude, you have to go down and do this Ibogaine thing.

02:08:22.000 Nothing else is working. 0.99

02:08:24.000 I think this shit's going to change. 0.99

02:08:25.000 I wasn't even aware of all this stuff. 0.99

02:08:27.000 I knew about the bedridden stuff and... 0.95

02:08:29.000 But he was hiding a lot of that shit from me, and his wife got and called me, and so I got him piped in to this program, went down, did Ibogaine, and did 5-MeO, 0.99

02:08:46.000 left his fucking cane there, went home, banged his wife, doesn't need the sunglasses anymore, And is not bedridden. 0.99

02:08:55.000 And that was about six months ago, and I just talked to him the other day. 0.99

02:08:59.000 He's still, like, good to go.

02:09:03.000 That's wild. 0.99

02:09:04.000 And, dude, this shit happened, like... 0.99

02:09:08.000 When did he? 0.99

02:09:09.000 I bet it was four years. 1.00

02:09:10.000 Four years of, like, living through that shit. 1.00

02:09:13.000 I mean, cracked skull. 1.00

02:09:14.000 One Ibogaine treatment.

02:09:15.000 One Ibogaine treatment.

02:09:16.000 Done.

02:09:17.000 I was like, do you think you'll go back and, like, see what, like, if more benefits show up?

02:09:23.000 And he was like, nah, I'm not.

02:09:24.000 I'm not going to do it.

02:09:25.000 But he's like, not unless I start to slip, but he's like, I'm good.

02:09:29.000 I'm at peace. 0.91

02:09:31.000 I feel fucking great. 0.90

02:09:33.000 That's incredible. 0.98

02:09:34.000 Imagine if there was a drug that could do that.

02:09:37.000 There is.

02:09:38.000 But imagine if there was a drug that the pharmaceutical drug companies could sell that could do that.

02:09:42.000 There would be treatment centers everywhere.

02:09:44.000 Are you suffering from PTSD? We can cure you.

02:09:47.000 Yeah.

02:09:47.000 Here at Ibogenesis, and then you go into that place and you get hooked up.

02:09:51.000 It'll be just like fucking these GLP-1s that they're trying to give people to lose weight. 1.00

02:09:55.000 It'd be everywhere. 0.99

02:09:56.000 Yeah.

02:09:56.000 Everyone has stress.

02:09:58.000 Everyone has trauma.

02:09:59.000 Come on in.

02:10:00.000 Yep.

02:10:00.000 And they'd just be selling it.

02:10:02.000 Yeah.

02:10:02.000 You know?

02:10:03.000 And, I mean, even mine, like, I haven't drank in almost three years now.

02:10:11.000 Really?

02:10:11.000 Yeah.

02:10:11.000 I've just...

02:10:14.000 I went down and did the Ibogaine experience, and it was just like, have you done Ibogaine?

02:10:21.000 No.

02:10:22.000 Why not?

02:10:23.000 What was good about it?

02:10:24.000 Tell me what it was like.

02:10:26.000 Well, for me...

02:10:27.000 I've read it's very effective for people with addiction.

02:10:29.000 Yeah.

02:10:30.000 Well, there it is right there, right?

02:10:31.000 Yeah.

02:10:31.000 I drank it almost three years, but...

02:10:35.000 I mean, it was...

02:10:36.000 Do you want the whole experience?

02:10:38.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:10:41.000 Yeah, so I went down to Mexico, and I just kept having these guys come on my show, and the first one was Eddie Gallagher.

02:10:50.000 He was... 1.00

02:10:51.000 Talking about psychedelics, and I was like, oh no, that shit's for hippies, I'm not fucking with that. 1.00

02:10:58.000 And then, you know, the one that really got me was, I had this guy on, his name DJ Shipley, and he like... 1.00

02:11:09.000 I saw that one.

02:11:10.000 You saw that one?

02:11:11.000 Yeah, it's great. 1.00

02:11:12.000 Dude, DJ's a fucking beast, bro. 0.99

02:11:14.000 Yeah, I follow that guy on Instagram now. 1.00

02:11:16.000 Like, takes Navy SEAL to a whole different...

02:11:19.000 Level.

02:11:20.000 But anyways, but yeah, he like went out of his way after the after we recorded.

02:11:25.000 He was like, Hey, dude, like, you should really fucking think about going down there.

02:11:30.000 And I was like, Alright, well, you know, I've done all the I've done like a ton of research. 0.93

02:11:35.000 I've talked to a bunch of guys about it.

02:11:37.000 I understand like how it works now. 1.00

02:11:39.000 And so Fuck it, I'll go. 1.00

02:11:42.000 And so I went down there because I just wanted to be more in the moment with my family. 1.00

02:11:49.000 I got two little kids now.

02:11:52.000 And so I went down there and that was like, I felt like I was kind of like through the PTSD type stuff and maybe not.

02:12:02.000 But I just wanted to get rid of anxiety and be in the moment with my family and da-da-da-da-da.

02:12:08.000 And so I went down and did the Ibogaine thing.

02:12:14.000 And we took these pills. 0.99

02:12:17.000 And, like, I didn't get a lot of visuals, but the first visual I got was I was just sitting there, like, looking in this mirror, shaking this fucking maraca. 0.99

02:12:27.000 And my head's, like, I was like, alright, this shit is not working. 0.98

02:12:31.000 Well, then my head, like, it, like, split open. 0.99

02:12:37.000 Like a...

02:12:38.000 In the mirror?

02:12:39.000 Yeah, dude. 1.00

02:12:41.000 It was like, I watched my head, like, peel, like a fucking banana. 0.99

02:12:47.000 Like, it was just like, whoosh. 0.99

02:12:49.000 And then another head, like, just blossomed out of it.

02:12:56.000 Whoa.

02:12:56.000 Yeah, it was really odd.

02:12:59.000 And then I was like, alright, it's definitely fucking kicking in, so I'm gonna... 0.85

02:13:05.000 So I'm going to lay back. 0.96

02:13:08.000 And it was kind of, to me, like the whole experience maybe, I guess I just lost total concept of time.

02:13:19.000 It didn't feel, it was like 12 hours, but it didn't feel like 12 hours.

02:13:24.000 It didn't really feel like five minutes either.

02:13:27.000 But I got like this life review kind of thing.

02:13:32.000 I just had these TV screens.

02:13:34.000 It looked like all black... 0.92

02:13:36.000 Like, you're in space or something, and then these two lines of TV screens that were going in my peripheral vision, and what was playing in those TV screens was...

02:13:45.000 And it was moving, like, at kind of a slow pace.

02:13:49.000 And so, like, I could see what was going on in the TV screens through my peripheral, but if I tried to concentrate on any one particular thing, then they would, like, all just disappear until I stopped trying to...

02:14:05.000 Like, concentrate on one thing, and then they'd all appear again.

02:14:08.000 And I could, like, look at it through my peripheral, and I'd be like, oh, you know, that was in Baghdad.

02:14:16.000 That's when I was five years old, and my dad was, like, yelling at me, and that was this.

02:14:22.000 And it was like, but it wasn't like, I wasn't, like, reliving traumatic events.

02:14:29.000 It was just, like, Passing me by.

02:14:33.000 Like a recording?

02:14:34.000 Yeah.

02:14:34.000 Like an old VHS tape?

02:14:36.000 Yeah.

02:14:37.000 So I just let them pass, and then I went into some other stage, which I don't really understand, but it was a bunch of these walls of stuffed animals, and I was kind of going through this maze.

02:14:50.000 And then the last thing I talked about before I... Before I did the experience was China.

02:14:57.000 So then I had like this horrible thing about the Chinese invasion. 1.00

02:15:03.000 But what came out of that, like it's like, oh, well, that doesn't sound very good.

02:15:09.000 Well, yeah, what came out of that, I lost 11 pounds.

02:15:13.000 In literally one week.

02:15:15.000 It's a week-long type of experience. 0.99

02:15:17.000 I lost 11 fucking pounds. 0.98

02:15:19.000 It's also a heavy metals detoxer, by the way. 0.99

02:15:22.000 So that's probably...

02:15:23.000 Probably had some heavy metals blocking me up or something.

02:15:27.000 But the whites of my eyes cleared up.

02:15:35.000 And it wasn't just me. 0.97

02:15:36.000 I journaled all this shit down. 0.98

02:15:38.000 And then I didn't tell my wife any of this stuff. 0.93

02:15:42.000 And I came home and she's like, your eyes look like a lot lighter.

02:15:48.000 Like the whites look a lot lighter, whiter.

02:15:52.000 And my brown eyes looked like they had lightened up.

02:15:56.000 Huh.

02:15:57.000 Yeah.

02:15:57.000 And then it was also like I had realized everything that I was ingesting that was poison.

02:16:05.000 It was like this, going back to intuition, it was like this intuition of...

02:16:12.000 Like I just, I was like, you know, I didn't come, I didn't go down there to quit drinking. 0.97

02:16:17.000 You know, I just It just fucking happened, man.

02:16:20.000 Like, I was just like, I don't think I'm going to drink anymore. 0.94

02:16:23.000 So I haven't had a drink in, like I said, just under three years.

02:16:27.000 Do you think you had a drinking problem? 1.00

02:16:29.000 Oh, fuck yeah, man. 1.00

02:16:30.000 I had a drinking problem. 1.00

02:16:31.000 Big drinking problem.

02:16:34.000 But you didn't think it at the time?

02:16:37.000 Well, my drinking problem had digressed quite a bit.

02:16:43.000 So, I mean, I used to...

02:16:45.000 I used to...

02:16:50.000 Drink close to two-fifths of vodka a day.

02:16:53.000 Whoa.

02:16:53.000 Yeah.

02:16:55.000 But, you know, then that was coming out of the agency.

02:16:59.000 I didn't have anything to do, really.

02:17:02.000 And, you know, I was processing a lot of kind of what had happened over the past 14 years.

02:17:08.000 I didn't have any friends.

02:17:09.000 I was severely depressed.

02:17:11.000 Whatever, man.

02:17:12.000 Loved to party.

02:17:15.000 You know, and that just, it was wake up.

02:17:19.000 Drink many bottles of vodka all day long.

02:17:22.000 And then at night, you know, I'd crack a fifth.

02:17:25.000 But by the time I went there, it was like probably two bottles of wine instead of two bottles of vodka at night.

02:17:35.000 Still. 1.00

02:17:35.000 Holy shit. 1.00

02:17:37.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:17:37.000 That's a lot of wine. 0.99

02:17:38.000 Well, I mean, that's...

02:17:40.000 Yeah, it is.

02:17:41.000 But...

02:17:44.000 Anyways, came back and I just didn't want the wine anymore.

02:17:49.000 I used to take Adderall.

02:17:51.000 I was addicted to that.

02:17:54.000 Didn't need that.

02:17:55.000 Didn't need this Ambien anymore.

02:17:58.000 Didn't need anything.

02:17:59.000 Cold turkey.

02:18:00.000 Cold turkey, man.

02:18:02.000 Weed.

02:18:03.000 Quit weed for about six months and then...

02:18:08.000 And then, yeah, and then I went back.

02:18:11.000 But, and even sugar, man, I quit sugar for about six months.

02:18:15.000 And it was, you know, the funny thing is, man, like it was zero effort.

02:18:18.000 It wasn't like, I'm not fucking drinking and I'm not going to do sugar and I'm not going to smoke weed and no more Adderall. 0.92

02:18:26.000 I just didn't want it. 0.92

02:18:27.000 And there was no...

02:18:31.000 There was just no urge.

02:18:33.000 There was no addiction left.

02:18:34.000 It was gone.

02:18:35.000 Wow.

02:18:36.000 That's the thing they say about Ibogaine, that it uniquely rewires your brain.

02:18:40.000 Yeah.

02:18:41.000 And there's some sort of a scientific understanding of how it works, but the fact that it's illegal in this country is bananas.

02:18:48.000 Yeah.

02:18:49.000 I mean, how many people are suffering through opioid addiction?

02:18:52.000 It's an enormous number.

02:18:54.000 And if there was a thing that we are aware of that could help all of our citizens that are struggling right now listening to this as people are struggling, and there's a thing, and it's illegal in this country.

02:19:07.000 Yep.

02:19:08.000 As far as I know, I don't think people are dying from Ibogaine.

02:19:12.000 You know, Ibogaine was, it was very funny that Hunter chose this, but Hunter S. Thompson used that during, was it the McGovern, the McGovern elections?

02:19:23.000 It was like 72, whatever it was, and when he rode Fear and Loathing on the campaign trail.

02:19:30.000 So he created a rumor that Ed Muskie, who was one of the candidates, had a severe Ibogaine addiction and that Brazilian scientists were coming to visit him and give him this treatment.

02:19:42.000 It became such a rumor and it spread so far and it started affecting him and he was giving campaign speeches and he was denying it and he was all sweating and he looked like a maniac and Hunter essentially derailed this guy's campaign.

02:19:57.000 By saying that he was addicted to Ibogaine, of all things.

02:20:01.000 I think Ibogaine would be impossible to be addicted to.

02:20:03.000 See if you can find Hunter on the Dick Cavett show where he admits that he started the rumor.

02:20:07.000 It's very funny.

02:20:09.000 Wow. 0.97

02:20:09.000 I fucking loved that dude. 0.97

02:20:10.000 God, I wish I met him. 0.92

02:20:12.000 Yeah, me too. 1.00

02:20:12.000 He was a fucking maniac. 1.00

02:20:14.000 That would have been wild. 1.00

02:20:15.000 But the fact that he used Ibogaine was really funny and ironic because that's the thing that gets you to quit addictions.

02:20:21.000 Yeah.

02:20:22.000 I mean, it's not a fun experience, man.

02:20:24.000 There's a lot of poking.

02:20:25.000 I couldn't believe that people really believed it, Muskie.

02:20:28.000 I never said he was.

02:20:29.000 I said there was a rumor in Milwaukee that he was.

02:20:31.000 Which was true when I started the rumor in Milwaukee. 1.00

02:20:37.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

02:20:39.000 That guy, he fucked everybody up because he would do actual journalism mixed in with fiction. 1.00

02:20:46.000 And, you know, he called it gonzo journalism. 0.98

02:20:48.000 He essentially started a new kind of journalism.

02:20:50.000 It's like there was an understanding that some of this was not real.

02:20:54.000 And you had to kind of like figure out what was real and what wasn't real.

02:20:58.000 And he was just going to do it his way.

02:21:00.000 He was a cool dude, man.

02:21:02.000 He was a cool dude.

02:21:03.000 That would have been a hell of an interview.

02:21:05.000 Oh my god, yeah.

02:21:06.000 But the fact that he chose Ibogaine is kind of funny.

02:21:09.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:21:11.000 Yeah, because they say it's like the one that you would...

02:21:14.000 You can get addicted to it.

02:21:15.000 Honestly, I don't think I could get addicted to any of them.

02:21:19.000 Yeah, I don't think so either.

02:21:20.000 I've heard of people that get addicted to certain psychedelics, but I think there's people that do psychedelics to learn more about themselves, and I think there's people that do it to escape.

02:21:30.000 And I think they escape reality with it, and then they choose that as their reality, and they do it way too much.

02:21:37.000 I think there's abuse with everything.

02:21:39.000 I think you can certainly abuse at least some psychedelics.

02:21:43.000 But the benefits of them far outweigh the negatives, and there's a lot of people that are hurting in this country, and they should have access to all the different things that could help them.

02:21:52.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:21:53.000 And the fact that you have to go to Mexico to do that... 0.97

02:21:55.000 It's ridiculous, man. 0.99

02:21:57.000 I mean, it's fucking working. 1.00

02:21:59.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:21:59.000 I mean, it's working, and it's just... 0.98

02:22:04.000 Like, why the...

02:22:05.000 Why?

02:22:06.000 Why?

02:22:07.000 Why?

02:22:07.000 Why can't you, like, let us...

02:22:12.000 I'm speaking for the veteran population right now, but why can't you just let us fucking get better? 1.00

02:22:21.000 Everybody knows the 22 a day, which is actually like 40-something a day, veterans that are killing themselves, and this shit is a fucking game-changer. 0.99

02:22:33.000 But I don't think Big Pharma is going to allow it. 1.00

02:22:36.000 I think that's what the holdup is.

02:22:38.000 Well, maybe that's something that RFK Jr. can help if they get into office.

02:22:43.000 If they get into office. 0.95

02:22:44.000 But when you hear about the five kill teams and you hear about all this different shit that's going on, I mean, October hasn't even started yet. 0.98

02:22:54.000 You've got a full month of October, and who knows what the fuck could happen leading up to the elections. 0.98

02:23:00.000 Yeah, I don't think they're going to let up whoever they are. 0.94

02:23:03.000 I don't think so, whoever they are.

02:23:04.000 And not only that, but forget about the organization.

02:23:09.000 Forget that there are people out there, probably like Iran and maybe state actors or who knows, that's trying to kill Trump. 0.99

02:23:17.000 What about just the fucking general kooks that have been buying all this rhetoric every day that he's a threat to democracy and they think that this is the one thing that can give them meaning in their life, the one great act that they can accomplish to go out and kill Trump? 0.99

02:23:33.000 I mean, it's... 0.99

02:23:34.000 I don't know, man.

02:23:37.000 I mean, it's...

02:23:38.000 There's just...

02:23:40.000 There's so much that goes into this, like that first shooter, right?

02:23:45.000 What was he, 20 years old?

02:23:47.000 Yeah.

02:23:47.000 You know, 20 years old, then you got, you know, Trump's basically been in the media for, what, about eight years?

02:23:54.000 I think he showed up, what, about a year before the 2016 election, right?

02:23:59.000 Kind of went in.

02:24:00.000 So we're going on, what, eight years now of the media just slamming him over and over.

02:24:07.000 He's a threat to democracy.

02:24:09.000 This is going to ruin the country.

02:24:12.000 So if you take that 20-year-old, since he was 12 years old, that's all he's heard. 0.99

02:24:20.000 12 fucking years old, that's all he's heard. 0.99

02:24:22.000 And little kids have no ability to discern. 1.00

02:24:25.000 So, is it a very well-orchestrated act to kill him?

02:24:33.000 Or is it media manipulation that nobody really thought too far into this and now we're seeing the consequences of what that kind of...

02:24:47.000 Pushing an agenda like that will do.

02:24:49.000 It's probably both things.

02:24:50.000 You know?

02:24:51.000 It's probably both things.

02:24:52.000 It's probably all the above. 1.00

02:24:55.000 And the fact that 24% of Americans think, or polled, obviously polled, because those are the dumbest motherfuckers of all time anyway. 1.00

02:25:03.000 People that answer polls. 1.00

02:25:04.000 You always have to think of that, you know?

02:25:06.000 Like, 99% of people don't answer polls. 1.00

02:25:09.000 So out of that 1%, 24% of those retards are dumb enough to think that it's a good idea to shoot Trump. 1.00

02:25:15.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:25:16.000 And that the American people shouldn't be able to decide on their own.

02:25:19.000 That's what's really crazy.

02:25:20.000 They think they're right, and you're wrong, and no matter what, they have to stop you from getting your vote.

02:25:26.000 They have to stop you from voting in the direction that you are thinking you are going to vote for.

02:25:34.000 It's just a scary time.

02:25:35.000 Scary time for the Republic.

02:25:37.000 It really is.

02:25:38.000 Yes, it is.

02:25:39.000 Like weirdly scary.

02:25:40.000 And also like weirdly chaotic in the sense that this is all happening at the same time as the rise of podcasts and social media and And new ways to get information. 0.94

02:25:51.000 So more people are aware of how fuck we are now than during the Vietnam War.

02:25:56.000 People were against the Vietnam War, and they're against fighting the troops in the Vietnam War, but they didn't really know what was going on. 0.98

02:26:04.000 They didn't have full access to it like we have now.

02:26:07.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:26:10.000 I don't know where this ends, man.

02:26:12.000 I mean, part of me thinks, you know, it's just...

02:26:15.000 It's...

02:26:17.000 Part of me thinks we're just gonna...

02:26:19.000 End in some type of a civil war.

02:26:21.000 That's terrifying.

02:26:23.000 Yeah.

02:26:24.000 I mean, that seems like it's definitely being pushed in that direction.

02:26:29.000 I mean, I think we're kind of already there.

02:26:31.000 It's just going to look a lot different.

02:26:33.000 It's a Cold War, right?

02:26:34.000 Yeah.

02:26:35.000 You see these states banding together.

02:26:37.000 Mm-hmm.

02:26:38.000 You know, you see blue states spanning together.

02:26:40.000 You see bright states spanning together.

02:26:41.000 You see, you know, a lot of governors aligning, sending National Guard down here to Texas, you know, to try to secure the border.

02:26:53.000 You got, you know, these extreme...

02:26:57.000 Look, I don't...

02:26:58.000 Whether you agree with me or not, they're extreme.

02:27:01.000 And so, you know, like the abortion stuff.

02:27:04.000 Like, you got states that are making these, like, super harsh abortion laws. 1.00

02:27:10.000 Like, we're going to hunt you down if you get one and throw your ass in prison. 1.00

02:27:14.000 And I think... 0.99

02:27:16.000 I can't remember how many states now have passed constitutional carries, like...

02:27:23.000 I can't remember.

02:27:24.000 I think there's only like a state or two left that need constitutional carry.

02:27:28.000 Basically what I'm getting at is I think the lines are kind of like being...

02:27:33.000 We're good to go.

02:27:58.000 I don't know what the solution to any of this stuff is.

02:28:00.000 I hope it's a greater understanding that we develop over time, where we figure out how to communicate better and work together.

02:28:09.000 And I think some of that can be facilitated through AI, if it's done correctly, if it's like a real open source AI. Where people can get a real better understanding of the actual mechanisms instead of like whatever beliefs you have and why the system works the way it is.

02:28:24.000 If you could just have it laid out.

02:28:26.000 Yeah.

02:28:27.000 Factually laid out.

02:28:28.000 Where there can be no shenanigans.

02:28:30.000 You can't deny it. 0.97

02:28:31.000 I think one way would just be having podcasters and journalists I mean, how the fuck would you do this? 0.93

02:28:41.000 But, you know, one thing, like on my show, and I kind of went off the rails a little bit the last month, I got a little probably more political than I wanted. 0.99

02:28:54.000 I hate politics, man.

02:28:56.000 Yeah, me too.

02:28:57.000 They come up all the time.

02:28:59.000 It's the fate of the country.

02:28:59.000 You think I like them.

02:29:00.000 Yeah, you know, every time I dive in, I feel like to... 1.00

02:29:06.000 I feel like I fucked a hooker on a- on a rusty couch. 1.00

02:29:11.000 I don't think this shit's gonna wash off me now. 1.00

02:29:16.000 You know what I'm talking about? 1.00

02:29:18.000 I do, I do, I do. 0.99

02:29:20.000 But anyways, where I was going is, you know, people have just lost the fucking ability to think for themselves. 0.99

02:29:27.000 They can't critical think anymore. 0.98

02:29:30.000 And, you know, so like one thing that I do on mine is if I bring somebody on that's, I'm like, don't say Trump 500 times on my show. 1.00

02:29:41.000 Let's not say, like, fuck the left, fuck the right. 1.00

02:29:45.000 Like, let's not say these fucking Democrats and these fucking Republicans. 1.00

02:29:48.000 Like, just give me the policy. 1.00

02:29:52.000 Just give me the problem. 1.00

02:29:53.000 Just, like, let's just leave all that shit out. 0.98

02:29:56.000 Because if you leave all those adjectives out, then it forces people to go... 1.00

02:30:03.000 Well, shit, I don't really know. 0.98

02:30:04.000 It forces them to formulate their own opinion because they don't know what their side thinks about that particular issue. 0.99

02:30:11.000 Unless you're talking about abortion or something like that.

02:30:14.000 But you know what I mean?

02:30:15.000 If you can leave those adjectives out, then I think common sense will start to make a comeback because it won't be so tribal.

02:30:27.000 It will be like, well... 0.98

02:30:29.000 Actually, I don't know where the party that I align with stands on this, so I'm going to have to formulate my own fucking opinion here. 0.98

02:30:39.000 And, man, that would do wonders for humanity. 0.96

02:30:43.000 We would definitely need more people that are willing to do that, too.

02:30:45.000 Because some people just don't have the time or the interest to form their own opinions on things.

02:30:50.000 Yeah.

02:30:50.000 It's so much easier to just agree with whatever their side believes.

02:30:53.000 Yeah.

02:30:54.000 How did you get started in doing a podcast?

02:30:56.000 What was the motivation behind it?

02:30:58.000 Well, I used to teach weapons and tactics and I taught Keanu Reeves for John Wick 3 and And then I got a lot of hate.

02:31:13.000 I'll just put it that way.

02:31:14.000 I got a lot of hate from the special operations community, from the two-way community.

02:31:23.000 And I was like, you know what, man?

02:31:26.000 It's a very egocentric community anyways. 1.00

02:31:28.000 And so I was like, I'm fucking done with this shit. 1.00

02:31:32.000 And... 1.00

02:31:34.000 So...

02:31:35.000 I just started...

02:31:36.000 Dude, I didn't know what to do. 0.98

02:31:38.000 I was like doing camping stove reviews and I bought a bunch of fucking alpacas and put them in my front yard and I thought I was gonna be a farmer and like... 0.98

02:31:46.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:31:46.000 And then... 0.99

02:31:47.000 But you know what I did?

02:31:48.000 I was like...

02:31:49.000 I was like, dude... 0.99

02:31:52.000 I'm so fucking tired of my guys killing themselves and going into depression and suicide attempts. 0.98

02:32:01.000 I got sick of the same talking heads on TV kind of documenting what was going on over there. 0.99

02:32:09.000 It was a bunch of people who had never even stepped foot.

02:32:17.000 We're good to go. 0.99

02:32:34.000 Two, there's a major fucking suicide epidemic happening, so let's talk about some guys that had attempted... 0.97

02:32:42.000 I mean, I tried to kill myself, but let's get some guys that have really been through it, dug themselves out of it, and so we're documenting history the way it happened. 0.97

02:32:57.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:33:16.000 Let's document the history, talk about your vulnerabilities, what it was like retransitioning back into civilian life, how fucked up it was, how you ruined your family, how you tried to kill yourself, all that shit, how you came out of it, and then let's talk about your business. 0.95

02:33:31.000 And so, I mean, these guys would come on and, you know, their business would, like, jet launch overnight, which I'm sure you, you know... 0.97

02:33:45.000 Dude, I just like doing it. 0.98

02:33:47.000 I liked fucking helping people. 0.99

02:33:52.000 But I'll tell you, it was awesome. 0.99

02:33:58.000 I loved it.

02:33:59.000 There's nothing else I'd rather do.

02:34:01.000 I started feeling a lot of resentment to my guests because they would come on my show And then they would, like, pass me up business-wise like that. 1.00

02:34:16.000 And I was like, fuck, man. 1.00

02:34:17.000 Like, what the fuck do I have to do to make a business out of this shit? 1.00

02:34:21.000 Like, I'm great at, like, jet-launching everybody else's shit, but I'm not making any fucking money here, and I got a family to support, and this isn't gonna work out. 0.99

02:34:31.000 And then, I don't know what happened, man, but then something just, like, switched. 0.99

02:34:36.000 Like, God just stepped in and was like, you're doing good shit. 0.97

02:34:40.000 Like, I'm gonna bless you. 0.98

02:34:45.000 And I just hit a turning point.

02:34:48.000 And now I just talk to whoever I'm interested in.

02:34:56.000 Well, you're doing a great show, and I think that's all it takes.

02:34:59.000 Thank you.

02:35:00.000 You do a great show, and then the beautiful thing about social media and YouTube and all these different things is that people could just share it.

02:35:08.000 Like, I've had a few people, I think Billy Carson, I think somebody sent me that one.

02:35:11.000 And, you know, it's just like someone would say, hey, you should check this out, you know, and just send you a text message.

02:35:16.000 That's such a massive advantage.

02:35:19.000 Of YouTube and Spotify and a lot of these apps is that someone could just send you a show.

02:35:25.000 Like, you would really love this show.

02:35:26.000 Check it out.

02:35:26.000 And then you just click it.

02:35:27.000 And then all of a sudden it's playing.

02:35:28.000 You know, and I play it in my car.

02:35:30.000 I can play it in the sauna.

02:35:32.000 And I'm listening to this.

02:35:34.000 And it's a complete new thing that's available anytime you want.

02:35:40.000 You can pause it.

02:35:42.000 I know it's you.

02:35:44.000 One of the things I like about your show is I can 100% tell this is just you talking to these guys like, what did you do?

02:35:52.000 Okay, explain that to me.

02:35:54.000 It's just you.

02:35:57.000 In this world of talking heads, that has become a very refreshing alternative to a lot of people.

02:36:04.000 And if you do a good show like yours, it just grows.

02:36:07.000 People will find it.

02:36:09.000 People share it, and it just organically grows.

02:36:12.000 Well, thank you for checking it out.

02:36:14.000 My pleasure.

02:36:15.000 Why did you start yours?

02:36:17.000 I started just on a laptop.

02:36:22.000 Answering questions, like with a friend of mine, my friend Brian, who I started with. 0.95

02:36:26.000 We were just fucking around. 0.84

02:36:27.000 We thought it'd be fun to just do for fun. 0.95

02:36:29.000 You know, I always wanted to do a radio show, but I thought no one's ever gonna give me a radio show.

02:36:33.000 You know, when I was touring doing clubs back in the day where you would have to do morning radio, I would like to do it.

02:36:41.000 Because I have these crazy things that I'm interested in, crazy stories.

02:36:45.000 So I'd come in, do these morning radio shows.

02:36:48.000 And I'd be like, wow, what a great job that would be.

02:36:50.000 Morning radio game. 0.99

02:36:52.000 I'd fuck up and swear. 0.99

02:36:54.000 That wouldn't work. 0.99

02:36:55.000 And then the rise of podcasts happened.

02:36:58.000 And, you know, Adam Carolla had one.

02:37:01.000 And, you know, there's a bunch of other ones.

02:37:02.000 And then Opie and Anthony, Anthony Cumia from Opie and Anthony, started doing his own show called Live from the Compound. 0.99

02:37:09.000 Where he's doing karaoke, holding a machine gun, and he's out of his fucking mind. 0.98

02:37:12.000 He built a television studio in his basement. 1.00

02:37:16.000 And I was like, fuck, he can do that and do that online. 0.99

02:37:18.000 I need to start doing something. 0.99

02:37:20.000 So we started out just doing this little...

02:37:23.000 Oh, and also the Tom Green show.

02:37:25.000 Tom Green had his own internet talk show.

02:37:29.000 And I was a guest on it long before my podcast.

02:37:32.000 I was like, you just got to figure out how to make money out of this.

02:37:34.000 Like, you could see the seeds of my podcast being planted while I was on his show.

02:37:40.000 I was like, this is amazing.

02:37:41.000 No executives, no one talking to you.

02:37:43.000 And then I actually even was in talks with the company that was doing it with him to do my own thing with them.

02:37:48.000 But I just decided to do it on my own.

02:37:50.000 I'm like, I don't want to do nothing with nobody.

02:37:52.000 I wanted it to just be 100% me. 0.98

02:37:55.000 Just fucking around. 1.00

02:37:57.000 And in the beginning, all my friends were like, what the fuck are you doing? 1.00

02:38:00.000 Like, why are you wasting your time? 0.98

02:38:01.000 They'd come over to my house, and my kids were really young at the time, so, like, in the early days, like, you would hear, we were in one of my spare bedrooms with a desk set up, and you'd hear, Mom!

02:38:10.000 Mommy, she took my thing. 1.00

02:38:12.000 You hear that in the background when the kids are arguing with each other.

02:38:17.000 So it was, you know, from that, move into like a little studio. 0.96

02:38:22.000 We rented a little office space somewhere and then moved into a warehouse and got a real studio and then started having security there and then started, well, I should have a fucking gym here.

02:38:33.000 Let's put a gym in and started, you know, bringing in guys to train with and then it just got big.

02:38:41.000 All organic.

02:38:42.000 I never did ads for it.

02:38:44.000 I never did put a billboard up.

02:38:46.000 I never went on other people's podcasts and said, please watch my podcast.

02:38:50.000 Never did any of that.

02:38:51.000 Never promoted it.

02:38:52.000 It just grew.

02:38:53.000 That's awesome.

02:38:54.000 But it's all the same reason why yours is growing.

02:38:57.000 It's just I talk to whoever I want to talk to.

02:38:59.000 Yeah.

02:38:59.000 You know?

02:39:00.000 I watched your show a bunch of times.

02:39:02.000 Reached out to you on Instagram.

02:39:03.000 Look what's up.

02:39:04.000 Yep, yep, yep.

02:39:06.000 But the way you do it and the way I do it is I think that's why it's interesting. 0.80

02:39:11.000 Because I can tell, like, when you're talking to that guy that was talking about the direct energy weapons in Antarctica, all that crazy shit, like, you wanted to hear what the guy had to say. 0.64

02:39:20.000 Yeah. 0.95

02:39:20.000 Like, you know, this is why he was on there. 0.95

02:39:22.000 You know, this isn't like some producer has told you the list of guests that you're going to have for the week.

02:39:28.000 Yeah. 0.96

02:39:28.000 And you're not really interested in it, and you've got to interview some fucking kid in a boy band, you know? 0.96

02:39:33.000 I can't do it. 0.98

02:39:33.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:39:34.000 I can't do it.

02:39:36.000 There's no reason to do it.

02:39:37.000 Yeah, you know, when I started, I was...

02:39:40.000 We started in the attic.

02:39:42.000 It was me and my wife. 0.98

02:39:43.000 We had these shit cameras that had, like, 30-minute timers, so I was... 0.99

02:39:46.000 Mike Glover was my first guest, and so my wife was, like, running back and forth, resetting these 30-minute fucking timer cameras, and I'm trying to run the sound and listen to what the hell Mike's saying, and I'm like... 0.99

02:39:59.000 This is fucking awesome. 0.93

02:40:01.000 We're going to do this for a long time. 0.95

02:40:03.000 What year did you start?

02:40:04.000 I started, first one got pumped out Christmas of 2019. Wow.

02:40:10.000 Yeah.

02:40:11.000 Well, that's also a great example because a lot of people want to say that the podcast market is too saturated now.

02:40:16.000 Like, I've heard people say that, oh, it's too hard to make it in the podcast market.

02:40:19.000 I'm like, I don't believe that.

02:40:21.000 Yeah.

02:40:22.000 I don't believe that.

02:40:23.000 I think if you've got a good show, it's going to rise.

02:40:25.000 Same here.

02:40:25.000 And that's you.

02:40:26.000 Thank you.

02:40:27.000 Thank you.

02:40:28.000 Well, I studied the hell out of your show when I was doing it.

02:40:32.000 And, you know, I just wanted to make it different.

02:40:37.000 I didn't want to copy the red curtain.

02:40:41.000 You know what I mean?

02:40:43.000 You made it yours.

02:40:44.000 Yeah, you really did.

02:40:45.000 And that's the great thing about this.

02:40:48.000 We need more voices like yours out there, more different people that are doing the same kind of thing, following their own interests, talking to people honestly, having these long-form podcasts.

02:41:00.000 The one with the guy studying the UFOs, I think that's like four and a half hours long, right?

02:41:04.000 Which one?

02:41:06.000 What's his name?

02:41:07.000 John Alexander?

02:41:08.000 Yeah.

02:41:09.000 I did one that was like nine hours.

02:41:12.000 Yeah, John Alexander.

02:41:13.000 This one is, how long is this one?

02:41:16.000 Let me check.

02:41:17.000 What does it say?

02:41:20.000 Resume.

02:41:21.000 Six hours on YouTube.

02:41:23.000 Six hours.

02:41:24.000 Yeah.

02:41:25.000 Yeah.

02:41:27.000 It's six hours and a couple of minutes of you talking to this guy about paranormal programs in the government.

02:41:32.000 I don't want to let him go.

02:41:34.000 No!

02:41:35.000 It was amazing.

02:41:36.000 It's crazy stuff, man.

02:41:38.000 Thank you.

02:41:39.000 Well, listen, Sean, it was great to meet you.

02:41:40.000 I really appreciate you.

02:41:41.000 I appreciate what you're doing.

02:41:43.000 I appreciate how you do it, and...

02:41:45.000 It's good to become friends.

02:41:47.000 Hey, thank you for having me, Joe.

02:41:48.000 My pleasure.

02:41:49.000 It's good to be here.

02:41:49.000 All right.

02:41:50.000 Bye, everybody.

02:41:51.000 Oh, watch the show.

02:41:52.000 Sean Ryan Show.

02:41:52.000 It's on everything, right?

02:41:53.000 Yep.

02:41:54.000 All right.

02:41:54.000 Cheers.

02:41:55.000 All right.

02:41:55.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - September 26, 2024

Joe Rogan Experience #2207 - Shawn Ryan

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