The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2208 - Brigham Buhler

00:00:14.000 So tell me what it's like to testify in front of the Senate.

00:00:17.000 What is that like?

00:00:19.000 Man, it was pretty wild.

00:00:20.000 It all transpired so fast.

00:00:22.000 I got a call from Callie Means.

00:00:25.000 We've become pretty good buddies.

00:00:26.000 I know you're having him and his sister Casey on the podcast.

00:00:30.000 Brilliant folks that are just patient advocates.

00:00:34.000 I mean, at the end of the day, They had the same experience as I had.

00:00:38.000 Callie, a little bit different walk of life.

00:00:40.000 He was a lobbyist.

00:00:40.000 Casey was a doctor, Stanford trained surgeon.

00:00:44.000 Realized that she was in a system where they didn't really heal people.

00:00:48.000 They just treated symptoms and profiteered off disease states.

00:00:52.000 And she said, there's got to be a better way.

00:00:54.000 So their voice rung so loud.

00:00:57.000 After I think they did Tucker, that it led to momentum.

00:01:00.000 And then because of you having me on the podcast, that's how I met RFK. And so Bobby's team had reached out to me maybe about a year and a half ago to come up to Dallas while he was doing a campaign there and sit down with him.

00:01:13.000 And he was Just asking a hundred questions about what's going on and what did you see on the pharmaceutical side and what did you see owning pharmacies and billing insurance companies.

00:01:22.000 And so when they had an opportunity to put this team together to testify in front of the Senate, the goal was to create a nonpartisan group of individuals to take a new fresh approach to what is going on with chronic disease in America.

00:01:37.000 Because the chronic disease crisis is at an all-time high.

00:01:40.000 I mean, we could go through all the statistics and I know that Casey and Callie will when they're on here, so I don't want to steal their thunder, but it's staggering.

00:01:47.000 I mean, close to anywhere between 1.7 to 1.9 million people are dying a year of chronic disease.

00:01:54.000 We talk a lot about war.

00:01:56.000 Since the dawn of this country, roughly estimated between 1.3 to 1.5 million people total have died in war, American lives.

00:02:06.000 So in a year, we're losing more people to chronic disease than all the wars combined.

00:02:11.000 And we're not talking about it.

00:02:12.000 So to me, I was excited when they said, hey, the Senate's willing to hear and that's the beauty of a democracy.

00:02:19.000 They did let us come in there and candidly take a dump on the Senate floor on what's going on with this health care system and really dig into the weeds. 1.00

00:02:28.000 Did anybody try to take the side of the pharmaceutical drug industry?

00:02:31.000 Did anybody question you or try to push back?

00:02:34.000 So prior, you do a debrief.

00:02:36.000 So we did do a roundtable prior to going into the communal roundtable in front of the public eye, which they had no idea what was coming.

00:02:43.000 The Senate didn't expect it.

00:02:46.000 We had assembled a grassroots effort to get the word out there, and over 2,000 people took off from work.

00:02:53.000 These are...

00:02:54.000 This is a Senate hearing.

00:02:55.000 Over 2,000 hardworking Americans took time from their busy day, flew to D.C., had to sit in an overflow room to listen to these testimonies.

00:03:05.000 And the level of feedback from people, from like real humans, real-world people, was staggering.

00:03:11.000 I mean, people afterwards came up in tears sharing their story of how the system had let them down or a loved one down, misdiagnoses, like all the different issues that they've dealt with.

00:03:24.000 We're good to go.

00:03:45.000 They just said you catch more flies with honey than you do vinegar.

00:03:48.000 And, you know, me, Callie and the other folks that sat on this panel, you know, our goal was to just share our stories and share what we saw.

00:03:57.000 And so my testimony in particular was really more about the human side.

00:04:02.000 You know, there's so many staggering datas and statistics and numbers, but behind all that is a person.

00:04:08.000 That's all I wanted people to understand.

00:04:10.000 These are human lives.

00:04:12.000 You know, when Jelly Roll testified, I think he said this equivalent to a 747 jet worth of people die of opioids a day.

00:04:18.000 And that's insane.

00:04:21.000 And that all started with the lapses in the FDA and the drug regulatory market.

00:04:26.000 And we know that, you know...

00:04:28.000 There's an argument out there.

00:04:30.000 I know Cali released the number of 50 plus percent of the FDA's funding comes from Big Pharma.

00:04:34.000 When it comes to drugs alone, 75 percent of the drug funding comes from the pharmaceutical companies themselves.

00:04:41.000 And so there's a big market there.

00:04:44.000 And with Big Pharma spending over eight billion dollars a year advertising, that's more than the entire sum of the FDA's budget.

00:04:53.000 $8 billion a year just in advertisement.

00:04:57.000 Imagine how much they're making so that they can afford $8 billion just in advertising.

00:05:02.000 Yeah, it's insane.

00:05:04.000 And those ads are wild.

00:05:06.000 The truth is, my hope is that people listen and the American people fight.

00:05:12.000 We can fight with our pocketbooks.

00:05:14.000 We can fight through our choices as citizens.

00:05:17.000 Do I have faith that the government's going to fix these problems overnight?

00:05:21.000 I don't.

00:05:22.000 But at least we're having the conversation.

00:05:24.000 And to their credit, they let us speak freely.

00:05:27.000 They didn't put a sensor on us.

00:05:29.000 They, you know, they tried to give us some coaching, you know, to say, hey, if you go this route, just understand there's going to be blowback.

00:05:36.000 And, you know, we're here to get progress on these topics, not, you know, burn the house down type deal.

00:05:43.000 And then I did have some – and it was a bipartisan effort.

00:05:46.000 So some of the senators in the room had mentioned, well, the American people just want a pill.

00:05:51.000 They don't really want a solution.

00:05:54.000 They're looking for an easy way out.

00:05:56.000 And I pushed back.

00:05:57.000 It's funny because one of the moms that was there was like, oh my god, I can't believe you were just dropping F-bombs in that meeting. 1.00

00:06:02.000 But I'm like, I think you're fucking wrong.

00:06:04.000 I mean, after being in healthcare since I was 20 years old, what I see is people struggling for answers. 0.95

00:06:10.000 People are in the pit of despair.

00:06:12.000 Who was saying that the American people just want a pill?

00:06:15.000 I don't want to name any names, but one of the senators there was saying, in his experience, people are looking for the easy way out.

00:06:22.000 And I don't think that's the case.

00:06:24.000 I think people are looking for hope.

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00:07:24.000 Like, if there really was a pill with no side effects that cured all your ales, sure, people would want that.

00:07:30.000 And this is the problem.

00:07:31.000 The advertising, that $8 billion a year, it leads you to believe that there is some sort of a solution in the bottom of a prescription bottle.

00:07:40.000 And that's not real.

00:07:42.000 That's the problem, is that they've been misled so long and so far down the line, and here they are, chronically ill, suffering, and they're hoping it's the next pill.

00:07:55.000 And our hope was to break down from the start of...

00:08:00.000 How do we process these foods? 0.89

00:08:01.000 How do we grow, harvest, and what do we do with our soil?

00:08:05.000 What do we do with our pesticides?

00:08:07.000 How do we bring these products to market?

00:08:09.000 How do we regulate our food industry?

00:08:12.000 That's all new to me.

00:08:14.000 That's not my expertise.

00:08:15.000 My expertise and my testimony was focused on what I saw as a drug rep, what I saw as a med device rep, what I saw billing insurance companies, and that was a part of the talk that we didn't even get to dive deep into, but the goal was to explain to the Senate From the food processing,

00:08:32.000 growing, harvesting, chemical treatments, to the packaging, to the ingredients we add into our food, to the hospital systems, throughout the system, front to back, the American people are set up for failure. 0.99

00:08:46.000 In the 1950s, the FDA had approved 700 different ingredients in our food products.

00:08:54.000 That's it, 700. Today, there are over 10,000 chemicals and petrochemicals in our food products in the United States.

00:09:02.000 In Europe, still 700. Jesus.

00:09:06.000 And what gets crazier is when Food Babe, she's an influencer, right? 0.99

00:09:10.000 And that's been, you know, crapped on by the media.

00:09:13.000 Well, it's an unfortunate name, Food Babe.

00:09:16.000 But she's an advocate and she's just a voice, a mother out there saying, hey guys, what's wrong with this picture?

00:09:22.000 Let me show you what's in Froot Loops in America and let me show you what's in Froot Loops in Canada.

00:09:28.000 The same manufacturer, Kellogg's, is selling one product to the American people and a safer product.

00:09:34.000 Less ingredient, less chemical-filled product outside the United States.

00:09:39.000 They have the ability to sell it here, but they don't.

00:09:42.000 Because they know they can sell more addictive, more colorful, vibrant, that attract kid food sources here in the U.S. It's so dark.

00:09:52.000 And so we walked through all of that.

00:09:54.000 It blew my mind on the food front.

00:09:56.000 And we know, you and I have talked, like, in the healthcare system, my main message was...

00:10:01.000 Welcome to my show!

00:10:21.000 These are all metabolically related disease states.

00:10:24.000 All the chronic diseases that are killing us can be traced back to diet, lifestyle, and nutrition, but none of our clinicians are trained on diet, lifestyle, and nutrition.

00:10:33.000 That's the hard pill for people to swallow, diet, lifestyle, and nutrition. 0.71

00:10:37.000 It's very hard for people who are addicted to shitty food, who are lazy, who don't have a history of exercise, and their lifestyle sucks, and they get home from work and they like to drink. 0.96

00:10:48.000 All those things are killing you. 0.98

00:10:50.000 Yeah.

00:10:51.000 You and I have talked about this with some of your comedy friends that have become my friends too.

00:10:56.000 To watch the evolution.

00:10:58.000 You just gotta give people momentum.

00:11:00.000 We just gotta get some wins on the board.

00:11:02.000 We gotta give them hope.

00:11:03.000 And we've gotta start by having the conversation.

00:11:06.000 And that's what I was optimistic about.

00:11:08.000 For the first time in my adult life, The Senate is willing to sit down with a group of individuals and have a deep conversation about where our food comes from, how our food is being processed, what ingredients are in our food, and how that could potentially lead to chronic disease.

00:11:24.000 And it got labeled by some of the I would say hatchet job media outlets that have come out, and we can dive into that.

00:11:33.000 Somebody called it the woo-woo.

00:11:35.000 Yeah, I saw that.

00:11:36.000 Let's dive in. 1.00

00:11:37.000 First of all, fuck you, whoever wrote that. 1.00

00:11:40.000 Because there's nothing woo-woo about anything you guys were saying. 1.00

00:11:43.000 That's what's really crazy.

00:11:44.000 To say that toxic chemicals that are illegal in other countries, but are legal in the United States, and there's a reason why they're illegal.

00:11:53.000 You could find all the different things that they do to the body, all the different damage they cause.

00:11:59.000 To say that that's woo-woo is so crazy. 0.99

00:12:03.000 Like what did they list as an example of woo-woo?

00:12:07.000 What's hard is they went immediately at like, these are all entrepreneurs that have something to sell you.

00:12:14.000 And I can tell you sitting in the room with those people, all of us were scared.

00:12:17.000 All of us were scared.

00:12:19.000 It's scary.

00:12:20.000 I'm not going to make money off of this.

00:12:22.000 If anything, I could lose money.

00:12:24.000 I have businesses that are under the FDA's guidelines, are under the FDA's oversights.

00:12:28.000 I don't want to upset the apple cart, but I also want to tell the truth.

00:12:32.000 And I wanted to share what I saw, and that was my message was...

00:12:36.000 I'm not here to represent the left or the right.

00:12:39.000 I'm here to represent humanity.

00:12:40.000 This is not a Republican issue.

00:12:42.000 This is not a Democrat issue.

00:12:44.000 This is a humanity issue.

00:12:46.000 These are people's lives.

00:12:47.000 But it's just stunning that people are willing to whore themselves out to write a hit piece on someone trying to help human beings find healthier choices and realize the root cause of all the diseases that we're facing.

00:13:00.000 The WooWoo article, she alludes to how we talked about nothing but metabolic disease and what does metabolic disease have to do with cancer.

00:13:08.000 Actually, I can tell you, it is the number one risk factor.

00:13:12.000 Obesity and metabolic disease is the number one risk factor to all forms of cancer other than smoking.

00:13:19.000 So if you take smoking and age out of the equation, it's your number one risk factor.

00:13:24.000 That's what it has to do with it.

00:13:25.000 Imagine that statement.

00:13:27.000 What does metabolic health have to do with these diseases?

00:13:30.000 That is so crazy.

00:13:32.000 And the people on that panel, too, to their credit, I was the least qualified of anyone to be in that room, and I was there to talk about my experiences as an industry insider.

00:13:41.000 I am not telling you that I am an expert on metabolic disease.

00:13:45.000 I can tell you that I'm an expert on fuckery.

00:13:48.000 Because I've been in healthcare long enough to see what they're doing, and I know their equation. 0.97

00:13:54.000 I know their offense.

00:13:55.000 But other than me, you had Casey Means, Stanford-trained surgeon.

00:13:59.000 You had Dr. Palmer, a psychiatrist from Harvard, who was breaking down metabolic disease and how it's astronomically impacting the mental health crisis in America.

00:14:10.000 One of the stats he dropped on us in his testimony was, we're at an all-time high in suicide and death of despair, greater than during the Great Depression.

00:14:21.000 More Americans are dying of suicide and death of despair, more than ever.

00:14:25.000 More children are being diagnosed with metabolic disease, diabetes.

00:14:29.000 Girls are starting periods six years younger. 0.88

00:14:33.000 I don't need a double-blind study to tell you something's wrong.

00:14:37.000 Just look at the data.

00:14:39.000 I'm hearing a lot of woo-woo from you.

00:14:42.000 I need some data.

00:14:43.000 As we get into that, in the names, they just totally breezed over and that article tried to make it sound like it's a bunch of influencers.

00:14:51.000 And it's like, yes, there were some people who have social media presences, but there were also academics there.

00:14:57.000 But also you can't...

00:14:58.000 Harvard, Stanford, and Stedman Hawkins.

00:15:00.000 You can't dismiss someone who's giving out factual information because they're a so-called influencer.

00:15:05.000 Some people get into influencing for a good cause.

00:15:09.000 100%.

00:15:10.000 And they have real valid information.

00:15:12.000 And they collect that valid information and distribute it.

00:15:15.000 And that's how they get a following.

00:15:17.000 And, you know, even Vonnie is the food babe. 1.00

00:15:21.000 Vonnie, her battle has helped...

00:15:24.000 Remove ingredients from certain states, stop chemicals in certain food sources.

00:15:28.000 They're actually going to march to Kellogg on the 10th of next month to hand a petition signed by over 100,000 Americans coming out the tail end of that, asking them to remove dangerous chemicals that they don't put in food products in other countries and just match it.

00:15:44.000 That's all they're asking.

00:15:45.000 Hey, why don't we just match what you're doing outside the US and all these other countries where they've said these products aren't safe?

00:15:51.000 Why are we allowing you a mulligan on the US population when it comes to food?

00:15:57.000 And they've never been studied.

00:15:58.000 That's the other wild thing.

00:15:59.000 The FDA doesn't have the bandwidth to study every time a new ingredient is added to a food source.

00:16:05.000 So you and I have gone down the rabbit hole on the FDA's attempt to try and regulate and rein in big industry like big pharma and big medical.

00:16:14.000 And I know I've told your listeners for over 90% of the products in the operating room have never been through an FDA human safety trial.

00:16:21.000 It was an entity built at a time to serve a purpose.

00:16:25.000 And I just think they're drowning.

00:16:27.000 And I think there's a lot of Industry influence and spit being swapped that can skew decisions and viewpoints and that's dangerous.

00:16:36.000 It is dangerous.

00:16:37.000 It's dangerous and it's spooky that you get pushback after that. 0.99

00:16:41.000 So let's talk about the pushback because it was immediately afterwards you started texting me like, dude, holy shit, these hit pieces are nuts. 0.98

00:16:48.000 Because you could see the machine moving against you. 0.87

00:16:51.000 So you could see that someone saw this Senate hearing, realized that it could potentially have an impact and tried to do their best to mitigate those potentially positive effects for the health of American people.

00:17:03.000 But it could cost them money.

00:17:05.000 So they started pumping money into these media outlets.

00:17:09.000 Absolutely.

00:17:10.000 And this is what I've seen before, owning a compounding pharmacy.

00:17:13.000 When I went on Jillian Michaels' podcast, she is very opinionated and passionate about this.

00:17:19.000 And it took me 10 minutes to explain to her that compounding pharmacies aren't bad guys.

00:17:24.000 And because she had only heard...

00:17:26.000 The corporate media narrative of compounding pharmacies are dangerous.

00:17:31.000 People are getting drugs from these compounding pharmacies that are in garages and they're just willy nilly making compounds and shipping them into the marketplace.

00:17:39.000 And I had to methodically walk her through.

00:17:41.000 Compounding pharmacies fall under the FDA's jurisdiction.

00:17:44.000 My pharmacy's been inspected three times in 18 months.

00:17:48.000 Every single ingredient we buy is an FDA-approved ingredient.

00:17:52.000 Every single compound we compound, we send off to an independent third-party lab to verify, okay?

00:17:59.000 And I say all this just to lay the groundwork.

00:18:01.000 We've treated over a million patient lives at our pharmacy, over a million patient lives nationwide, and What they do in that environment is the media will list any recall, any mistake a compounding pharmacy makes,

00:18:19.000 but sweep under the rug that big pharmaceutical companies like Eli Lilly and Pfizer have moved most of their manufacturing overseas where the FDA has to submit before they can come do an inspection and has to give them two months' notice because they're coming into a foreign country and they've got to get visas and approvals and all these things to come inspect those facilities.

00:18:39.000 They can't just walk in like they walk into my facility.

00:18:42.000 And so, Lilly, Eli Lilly in particular, one of the reasons they're struggling with back orders right now is their facilities have been popped for egregious action by the FDA. But none of that is in the public eye.

00:18:55.000 You have to scour.

00:18:56.000 I think Reuters is the only one that wrote an article.

00:19:00.000 Little Compounding Pharmacy in Texas recalls 28 vials proactively for a mislabel, and the New York Post makes it national news, but you didn't cover Eli Lilly's nationwide issues on all these products, or the fact that over 2,000 manufacturing facilities owned by Big Pharma haven't been inspected in five or more years.

00:19:21.000 It's just not good journalism.

00:19:23.000 It doesn't have integrity.

00:19:25.000 Well, it just goes back to that $8 billion.

00:19:26.000 That $8 billion has an effect.

00:19:28.000 I'm sure these journalists aren't sitting there watching this Senate hearing going, you know what?

00:19:32.000 I'm outraged. 1.00

00:19:33.000 I feel like these people are full of shit. 1.00

00:19:34.000 I'm going to help the American people and write this piece criticizing it. 1.00

00:19:38.000 No, they're probably being instructed.

00:19:40.000 Well, she gave us that she sent us and said it was very vague.

00:19:43.000 I get a voicemail.

00:19:44.000 We want to write an article on your pharmacy.

00:19:45.000 I find out at three o'clock.

00:19:47.000 I'm in meetings.

00:19:48.000 We draft a response explaining all the things we do to go above and beyond and how our vision is to bring, you know, cost effective prescription drugs to the American people for pennies on the dollar, typically less than your copay or deductible.

00:20:03.000 What part of that?

00:20:04.000 And in this article at the end, I shit you not, the girl puts... 1.00

00:20:08.000 And by the way, Eli Lilly slicing prices by 50% on their weight loss drug. 0.95

00:20:13.000 That's how the article ends.

00:20:14.000 And I'm like, how is this not an advertisement?

00:20:17.000 And so I looked, and now that I've...

00:20:19.000 I've seen it when I was a drug rep.

00:20:21.000 I saw it when I owned pharmacies and labs.

00:20:24.000 I saw it as a device rep.

00:20:25.000 But I went and looked and said, okay, who owns the New York Post?

00:20:28.000 And when you peel back the layers to that onion, the New York Post majority holders of stock are Vanguard, BlackRock, State Street.

00:20:38.000 Now, let's go look at who are the majority owners into Eli Lilly.

00:20:42.000 Vanguard, BlackRock, State Street.

00:20:46.000 So the same folks who own the pharmaceutical companies who have the most to gain by keeping the narrative the same and driving America towards the chronic disease crisis and monetizing your chronic disease with all the things you and I have discussed before, whether pharmacy benefit managers,

00:21:02.000 insurance companies, hospitals, pharmaceutical companies, front to back, top to bottom, We've lost our way.

00:21:09.000 We really have lost our way, Joe.

00:21:11.000 It's all about quarterly earnings and quarterly profits.

00:21:14.000 And I'm not saying that they're intentionally poisoning the American people to set them up so that they can knock them down.

00:21:21.000 I just think it's so siloed and so compartmentalized and everybody's fighting for that extra dollar that quarter, that day, that month, that they're just blocking and tackling and preventing the narrative from rising in their siloed bucket.

00:21:37.000 But you have to, like in humans, we have to take a look out and go, hey, I'm not just treating your knee or your brain health or your heart health.

00:21:45.000 The body is an organism that works together.

00:21:47.000 We have to do a deeper dive to assess where the disease started, what caused it, and can we uncover the root cause and fix the root cause?

00:21:57.000 We have to do the same thing in our systems and our protocols and our procedures.

00:22:01.000 We know that corporate capture is real.

00:22:04.000 We know that corporate capture has somewhat happened with the FDA, somewhat happened with Congress and the Senate.

00:22:10.000 You know, everyone's scared to fight these guys.

00:22:12.000 And they can wreck your lives.

00:22:14.000 It's scary.

00:22:15.000 And it's hard to fight when they control the media.

00:22:18.000 They control all the funding to the advertising on the news networks.

00:22:23.000 I mean, good luck getting a story out there.

00:22:26.000 It's so weird that they've been able to do this for so long in such a shifty way.

00:22:31.000 It really is.

00:22:32.000 Because there should be laws against that.

00:22:34.000 If there's laws against insider trading, how is there not laws against manipulating narratives in order to profit at the expense of people's health?

00:22:42.000 Yeah, and to even further highlight the level of corruption and corporate capture, I sent you and Jamie an article.

00:22:48.000 I don't even remember the news outlet.

00:22:50.000 But when you look, who owns that news outlet?

00:22:53.000 Okay, well, it says most of its funding comes from this PR firm.

00:22:56.000 Then when we go to look at who owns the PR firm, it's Monsanto that owns the PR firm that got this other...

00:23:02.000 And it's always layered.

00:23:04.000 It's never abundantly clear.

00:23:06.000 Like, it's hard.

00:23:07.000 The other one we talked about was...

00:23:11.000 The Atlantic, you know, and as I peel the layers back to the Atlantic, it was owned by Bradley, who made his money being a consultant for Big Pharma and pharmacy benefit managers.

00:23:21.000 He sold a big chunk of his company off to Optum, which is one of the dirtiest pharmacy benefit managers out there.

00:23:28.000 And we broke that down on your previous podcast.

00:23:30.000 The pharmacy benefit managers, for those listeners that don't know, were established in the 70s and 80s with the goal of driving down the cost of prescription drug care for America.

00:23:40.000 But it got captured by the insurance companies.

00:23:43.000 So Cigna, Aetna, CVS Health, all of those companies now own these middlemen that are negotiating rebates.

00:23:51.000 So it's important to understand because those rebate dollars are held at that company and they're making billions off of chronic disease.

00:23:59.000 Billions!

00:24:00.000 So if you're on a GLP-1 weight loss drug for the rest of your life, and they've negotiated rebates to the pharmacy benefit plans that they own, they're oftentimes holding 40-50% of their profitability in a shell company that's not disclosed to the American public or the US government.

00:24:17.000 And when they establish a Medicare price point on a drug, they base it off of the average wholesale price in America. 0.94

00:24:23.000 And that's important because they artificially inflated the fucking average wholesale price. 0.53

00:24:28.000 And they're giving themselves a rebate on the back end, but the government doesn't have line of sight into that. 0.97

00:24:33.000 And they know it's happening now.

00:24:35.000 It's been exposed.

00:24:36.000 We talked about this again on your last five, but it's like, I think it's the state of Idaho uncovered $230 million in fraud in one year.

00:24:45.000 From the PBMs.

00:24:46.000 One year.

00:24:46.000 Now multiply that times all the states in the United States.

00:24:50.000 Oh my God.

00:24:51.000 And think about how much money is being made off of keeping people on prescription drugs.

00:24:56.000 Did you see the article that I put on my Instagram that they put in the Atlantic?

00:25:00.000 Is it time to torch the Constitution?

00:25:03.000 I did.

00:25:03.000 Did you see that?

00:25:04.000 I did.

00:25:05.000 It's scary, man.

00:25:05.000 Same people.

00:25:06.000 It's scary.

00:25:07.000 Same people.

00:25:07.000 They're putting a narrative out there to the general public.

00:25:10.000 They're like, whoa, he makes a good point.

00:25:13.000 Maybe we should just give up all our power to Satan.

00:25:18.000 They're literally saying, should we torch the Constitution?

00:25:22.000 It's crazy.

00:25:23.000 It's scary.

00:25:24.000 The only thing that protects us.

00:25:25.000 And I say this, I feel like I woke up and became my grandpa.

00:25:28.000 I remember him always bitching about politics and I'm not political.

00:25:31.000 And he probably barely knew, right?

00:25:33.000 You consider how much information was available to your grandpa?

00:25:36.000 I know.

00:25:37.000 He just had a sort of a nagging suspicion that it's all corrupt and crooked.

00:25:41.000 And I'm an idealist.

00:25:43.000 I want to believe that, like, I want to believe that people are looking for the truth.

00:25:47.000 How cute.

00:25:48.000 How sweet.

00:25:49.000 And I told you this, even with the DOJ and what I saw with enforcement bodies.

00:25:57.000 When your data sets are corrupt and the only info you're receiving is from bad sources that are pushing agendas, but those sources also are your future employment when you come out of government service, it just becomes a dangerous,

00:26:14.000 dangerous, slippery slope.

00:26:18.000 There are often times where enforcement changes legislation through enforcement.

00:26:24.000 Like right now, the DEA is reviewing if they're going to allow telemedicine companies to continue to prescribe testosterone.

00:26:31.000 And that's crazy to me because it's like all these issues we have, all the chronic disease, there is not a testosterone crisis.

00:26:38.000 This is not like the opioid crisis.

00:26:40.000 There's not a lot of divergence.

00:26:42.000 Or even the GLP-1 crisis.

00:26:43.000 Yeah.

00:26:44.000 I mean, the amount of people that are having side effects to that in comparison to the testosterone thing.

00:26:48.000 And that's where, you know, you and I disagree somewhat on the GLP-1s.

00:26:53.000 Jillian and I disagree.

00:26:54.000 Callie and Casey and I disagree.

00:26:56.000 It's okay to disagree.

00:26:57.000 There's nothing wrong with having differing lenses.

00:27:00.000 Well, I think I understand your perspective.

00:27:01.000 Your perspective is for chronically obese, like really morbidly obese people, we need to do something.

00:27:07.000 And this is a very good step.

00:27:09.000 And it does work.

00:27:11.000 And it can help people.

00:27:12.000 It is a very good step.

00:27:14.000 I'm the hardcore discipline guy. 0.99

00:27:16.000 I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? 0.99

00:27:18.000 This is something that you can solve just by eating less. 1.00

00:27:21.000 Something you can solve by cutting out sugar, cutting out sodas, eating whole ingredient foods, eating fish and chicken and red meat and vegetables and cutting out all the bullshit. 0.98

00:27:35.000 You're right. 0.98

00:27:35.000 No, you're spot on. 0.98

00:27:36.000 That's real.

00:27:36.000 That's a real thing that you can do.

00:27:38.000 However, if you're 600 pounds, if you've gone so far down the wrong road, you need a hand.

00:27:44.000 You need someone to help you.

00:27:45.000 Well, and that's where I'm like, if I was pushing an agenda, I have a ton to gain by GLP-1s going gangbusters. 0.98

00:27:51.000 I'm not on that bandwagon.

00:27:52.000 I literally sat there with the Senate meeting and said, this is crazy if we government fund prescribing GLP-1s to children.

00:28:00.000 That's insanity.

00:28:01.000 We need to fix our food products in schools.

00:28:03.000 We need to limit soft drinks and advertising to children.

00:28:06.000 There's a million things we could do that are way more logical and reasonable than starting to stick a kid with an injectable that they're going to take the rest of their life.

00:28:15.000 But it's not as profitable.

00:28:16.000 Yeah, that's the real problem.

00:28:18.000 And the advertisements about that, they seem to me the same advertisement.

00:28:23.000 It's the same feeling I get when I see advertisements about giving babies COVID vaccines. 1.00

00:28:27.000 Like, what the fuck are you talking about? 0.99

00:28:29.000 Like, you're just trying to make money. 1.00

00:28:31.000 You're not trying to protect babies from COVID. That's fucking nonsense. 1.00

00:28:34.000 It's not a problem with them. 1.00

00:28:36.000 It's just not.

00:28:37.000 It's just statistically not an issue.

00:28:39.000 It's certainly not an issue for you to be promoting this potentially dangerous, dangerous remedy.

00:28:45.000 Yeah.

00:28:45.000 Another example of that is that, you know, we were a foster family growing up.

00:28:49.000 So we had up to seven foster kids at a time in my house.

00:28:53.000 And I remember that the hep V vaccines that all those little kids had to get.

00:28:59.000 And I didn't think about it at the time, but again, hearing some of my friends like Callie and Casey talk about it, the vaccine schedule's crazy because you're giving a child, a brand new baby, essentially a hep B vaccine.

00:29:12.000 The only two ways to contract hepatitis B is basically you're injecting drugs or sex.

00:29:18.000 Sexual activity.

00:29:19.000 An infant's not going to have that.

00:29:21.000 So why expose them to the risk factor of a potential adverse event when we know autism rates are through the roof?

00:29:28.000 All of these different health issues for children are climbing.

00:29:32.000 And at some point we have to assess what we're doing and say, isn't there a better way?

00:29:36.000 But I know enough about how that system works and how things are negotiated on the back end and the lobby.

00:29:42.000 And now it's established and now it's hammered home.

00:29:45.000 And then you assemble and you go have a meet with all the pediatricians nationwide and you have people as spokesperson that push that agenda and get senators and congressmen and women on the hook to go, yes, we need these vaccines incorporated as part of our policy to protect these children.

00:30:00.000 And I don't think...

00:30:02.000 It's not that it was...

00:30:03.000 I don't think everyone's in on it.

00:30:05.000 I think people are being duped and it's so siloed.

00:30:08.000 That's one of the other things you and I have talked about historically with medicine.

00:30:12.000 Medicine's so siloed.

00:30:13.000 They don't look at the full human body.

00:30:15.000 They look at, I'm a knee guy and I'm going to look at the knee.

00:30:17.000 Or I'm a mental health specialist and I'm going to talk to this patient about their mental health.

00:30:21.000 But your mental health is intertwined with your physical health.

00:30:24.000 Your mental health, and this is what Dr. Palmer from Harvard talks about, you know, if we have metabolic disease and all these metabolic crises, it's going to lead to mental health issues.

00:30:35.000 No question.

00:30:36.000 There's been proven studies that show that SSRIs aren't as effective as exercise.

00:30:41.000 By a large measurable amount.

00:30:43.000 Like exercise is more effective at curing depression and treating depression than SSRIs.

00:30:49.000 That's a fact.

00:30:50.000 Yep.

00:30:50.000 But, you know, you can't make money off of someone running around this block unless you sell them sneakers.

00:30:56.000 Yeah.

00:30:58.000 You can only sell them one pair of sneakers every six months.

00:31:02.000 What scares me, and again, not to shit on the GLP-1s, because we prescribe GLP-1s, we utilize GLP-1s, they are a tool in the tool belt, and when utilized appropriately, they can help people. 0.98

00:31:14.000 But a hammer can kill someone if used inappropriately. 0.93

00:31:18.000 And so, if we make it our frontline defense, and again, we go back to the chronic disease crisis in America, and we say, okay, the food system's broke, then the people end up chronically ill, then we don't really assess people, and our assessment tools in a primary care market are based off a sick patient population.

00:31:38.000 If we base the demographic off the average American, That is dying of chronic diseases and that is our measuring stick.

00:31:47.000 Then why are we shocked when we continue to have a boom in people dying of chronic diseases and being diagnosed with chronic diseases?

00:31:55.000 Cancer, all-time high.

00:31:57.000 I think there's gonna be two million new cases of cancer diagnosed this year.

00:32:00.000 Every single chronic disease is through the roof.

00:32:03.000 The system is not working.

00:32:05.000 I want to talk about you because one of the things that's interesting about this is like You were unhealthy at one point in time, and you were overweight, and this is how you kind of started this journey.

00:32:15.000 Maybe a lot of people aren't aware of that.

00:32:17.000 You had to learn all this stuff, and you had to learn all this stuff through your own personal health crisis.

00:32:24.000 Yeah.

00:32:25.000 I was 29, 30 years old, early 30s, and I was 25% body fat, pre-diabetic, headed towards all the same chronic diseases that we're talking about.

00:32:38.000 What was your diet like?

00:32:40.000 My diet, well, originally my diet was terrible.

00:32:43.000 It was a traditional American diet, right?

00:32:45.000 So I was a surgical rep, and I had to be in the OR by 7 a.m., and so I would go do CrossFit every morning, then I'd go to the OR, I'd be in cases all day, I would eat whatever I could.

00:32:55.000 I would drink a Starbucks Frappuccino, not realizing there's 1,800 calories of sugar and chemicals and no nutrients.

00:33:03.000 I just didn't know.

00:33:04.000 And I grew up in a family, again, a foster family, where We were middle class America, but maybe it was the 80s.

00:33:11.000 Eating healthy was like eating wheat bread instead of white bread.

00:33:15.000 It was eating low fat Lay's potato chips and a Diet Coke.

00:33:19.000 That's literally what my family thought was healthy.

00:33:21.000 And that's a lot of Americans.

00:33:23.000 They don't know.

00:33:24.000 And you just stay with what you're indoctrinated into.

00:33:29.000 So I started seeing a nutritionist in my 30s and I did lean down and I lost weight and I was getting healthier and I was headed the right direction and I was still training.

00:33:37.000 But he was like, if you're doing everything I'm saying, let me take a step back.

00:33:41.000 I would go to a primary care and it would take three months to get in with a primary care.

00:33:46.000 Then they would just pull a basic lipid panel.

00:33:48.000 And then I would say, well, can we look at my hormones?

00:33:50.000 No, no, we don't need to look at hormones. 0.92

00:33:52.000 We're going to look at your lipid panel.

00:33:53.000 We're going to do a wellness check.

00:33:55.000 Well, that doesn't include hormones in this country.

00:33:57.000 It's not a deep dive because they're scared to do that because the insurance companies control what they'll reimburse and not reimburse.

00:34:04.000 And so clinicians in this country are terrified to do the deep dive and they only have six minutes with you.

00:34:09.000 So they got to get you in and out of there.

00:34:10.000 Right.

00:34:10.000 Long story short, six months later, still fat, still trying to lose weight, working out every day, seeing a nutritionist.

00:34:17.000 A nutritionist said, I want to refer you to a urology buddy, Dr. Larry Lipschultz, who's one of the godfathers of urology and hormone optimization in the United States.

00:34:26.000 And when I went and met with Larry, he was shocked after he pulled my blood work.

00:34:31.000 We actually did it twice because he just didn't believe my readings.

00:34:34.000 And my testosterone level after seeing him was 98. Oh my god.

00:34:39.000 It's insane.

00:34:40.000 That's like a woman. 1.00

00:34:41.000 But I know.

00:34:42.000 It was terrible.

00:34:43.000 And so he's like, of course you're – he's like, I don't know if you're fat because – I told this story before. 0.94

00:34:48.000 I don't know if you're fat because you have low testosterone or if you have low testosterone because you're fat. 0.95

00:34:53.000 But you are fat with low testosterone. 0.91

00:34:55.000 And so that was my baseline.

00:34:57.000 And through just using – What were you eating then?

00:35:00.000 When you went to the nutritionist...

00:35:01.000 By then I was using the nutritionist, but then it was a question of, did I dig too big of a hole?

00:35:06.000 And then the question is, are you overtraining and you're crashing what little hormones you have left and your body's trying to get ramped up?

00:35:13.000 So we ended up treating at the time with HCG and clomiphene.

00:35:16.000 Let me ask you this.

00:35:17.000 What did the nutritionist tell you to do?

00:35:19.000 Oh, we prioritize protein, one gram of protein per pound of lean muscle mass.

00:35:24.000 We cleaned up my diet.

00:35:25.000 If you make protein the basis of your diet, because you need a gram of protein per pound of lean muscle mass to maintain.

00:35:31.000 If you're trying to gain lean muscle mass, you have to up that protein intake.

00:35:35.000 And then based off diet or lifestyle and activity level...

00:35:39.000 And so we would prioritize my carbs through certain times of the day.

00:35:42.000 We would keep me at a caloric deficit and we'd prioritize protein in that caloric deficit.

00:35:47.000 And what you'll find is mind-blowing.

00:35:50.000 You aren't as hungry.

00:35:51.000 If I don't eat a Muffin and a Starbucks coffee loaded with sugar, I don't have that insulin response that causes the hunger cravings a few hours later where I'm back to eating another unhealthy meal choice.

00:36:05.000 If you eat protein first, eggs, hearty, heavy foods, dense, nutrient-packed foods, your appetite is suppressed.

00:36:13.000 It's a natural appetite.

00:36:14.000 You can't overeat.

00:36:15.000 It's really hard to overeat meat.

00:36:17.000 It is.

00:36:17.000 And so we prioritize proteins, healthy proteins like chickens, fish, all of those sources, and then healthy carbs.

00:36:25.000 Get away from sugars, whites, starches, prioritize healthy carbohydrate sources that are slower burning that allow you to metabolize the protein that you're absorbing.

00:36:36.000 Fruits and vegetables.

00:36:37.000 So how much weight did you lose that way?

00:36:39.000 I literally went, well, starting on diet, I probably lost about half of the weight that I was trying to get off.

00:36:46.000 So I know body fat percentage, he got me from 25 down to about 15. And then when we added hormone optimization, not testosterone at the time, it was HCG and clomiphene, which boost your natural testosterone levels, being monitored by a clinician within physiological norms,

00:37:03.000 right, to try and make sure that we're optimizing my health, not trying to get jacked and tanned.

00:37:09.000 Literally helped me go from 15 to, at the time, I think I dropped down to around 7%.

00:37:14.000 And I did not change anything.

00:37:16.000 I was working out the same way, eating the same way.

00:37:18.000 7% is very lean.

00:37:19.000 Yeah.

00:37:19.000 And now I walk around 12 to 15. That's sustainable.

00:37:22.000 And I think in my 40s, that's a level that makes sense to me.

00:37:28.000 I think the way to do that is you don't wait for people to get chronically ill.

00:37:32.000 I should have never been at 25% body fat.

00:37:35.000 If we were getting proactive and predictive and we were truly doing deep dives into individuals and taking the time for our clinicians in this country to sit down and assess you at the biological level Then we can prevent these chronic diseases.

00:37:50.000 And I'm not talking about through pharmaceutical intervention.

00:37:53.000 We can prevent these through diet, lifestyle, nutrition, and helping teach the patient that there's a better way.

00:38:00.000 And if we need to involve pharmaceutical intervention, it's there.

00:38:03.000 There's options out there that can help patients kickstart their health and wellness, especially people in their 40s.

00:38:11.000 So when you did this, how much time did it take overall from the original nutrition intervention to hormone optimization?

00:38:21.000 How much time are we talking about?

00:38:23.000 It took about a year.

00:38:24.000 And that's what gets crazy with the insurance model.

00:38:27.000 So a lot of people don't know this.

00:38:29.000 Most insurance carriers in the U.S. don't practice preventative.

00:38:33.000 So testosterone would be considered a lifestyle drug.

00:38:36.000 The challenge with an issue like the DEA, if they really do over-regulate testosterone and shut telemedicine companies down from prescribing it, it's going to limit accessibility for these patients because primary carers don't want to prescribe it, right?

00:38:50.000 And so they're going to pump them off to a urologist. 0.98

00:38:53.000 Typically, for an insurance company to cover it, you've got to have two or more fasted blood tests of a testosterone below 250 nanograms per deciliter.

00:39:02.000 So that's a chronically ill man.

00:39:04.000 I mean, that's...

00:39:06.000 To come back twice, that's going to take you six months to get in with that urology.

00:39:09.000 That's in the dream world.

00:39:11.000 So just to get the insurance coverage, you're talking six months to a year.

00:39:15.000 And by then, that patient has been chronically ill, headed towards metabolic disease, diabetes.

00:39:22.000 We know that testosterone is important to insulating us from certain types of cancer.

00:39:27.000 It's important to our metabolic health, our bone mineral density, our lean muscle mass.

00:39:32.000 All of these tie into Do you think that the reason why they make it very difficult to get hormone optimization is because if more people get hormone optimization, more people are not on these medications?

00:39:50.000 I think somewhat, yes, but I also think the insurance model is an obstructionist model.

00:39:58.000 I can give you a different example with the opioid crisis.

00:40:02.000 There were non-addictive, non-abusive pain creams.

00:40:05.000 If somebody is going to be put on...

00:40:07.000 They have an ACL surgery.

00:40:09.000 They're in pain.

00:40:09.000 I'm not here to say there's no need to ever have a pain pill.

00:40:14.000 But in those instances, there were alternatives.

00:40:17.000 That are non-abusive, non-addictive.

00:40:20.000 What are the alternatives?

00:40:21.000 There were ketamine-based pain creams that were topicals that could not be diverted or you couldn't extrapolate the ketamine out of it and abuse it.

00:40:30.000 So nobody ever got high or stimulated from it because it's a cream that you can't extrapolate the ketamine out of.

00:40:36.000 So you could not abuse it.

00:40:37.000 You couldn't divert it if you wanted to.

00:40:38.000 So it just works locally?

00:40:39.000 It just works locally to address that knee pain.

00:40:42.000 Insurance, within 12 months, quit covering it.

00:40:44.000 Because those creams cost hundreds of dollars, whereas an opioid's like, I think, $10 a month, right?

00:40:49.000 And then the other thing you'll find is the pharmacy benefit managers, who the insurance companies own, have reimbursement deals on certain drugs.

00:40:59.000 So when you get a drug, it's not because it's the best drug or the most efficacious drug.

00:41:04.000 It's because the PBM, Pharmacy Benefit Manager, has negotiated a rebate and decided to place that drug on Tier 1 or Tier 2 based off their financial incentive in that drug.

00:41:16.000 Testosterone's been on the market so long, it's compounded a million places.

00:41:20.000 There is no rebate for the big pharmaceutical companies or the big insurance companies on testosterone.

00:41:28.000 Right?

00:41:29.000 And so it's just an additional cost.

00:41:31.000 And so the more they can obstruct things that cost money but don't pay dividends back to them, they'll put obstructions in the way.

00:41:39.000 So another example is not only did they shut down alternatives to opioids during an opioid crisis, they also cut lab reimbursements on toxicology screenings.

00:41:51.000 At the same time that we're on an opioid bender as a nation, They got rid of the last safety net, which was if you come into a pain clinic asking for opioids, they're going to make you do a toxicology screen to make sure that you're not abusing other drugs,

00:42:07.000 that you're not diverting the drug, that this medication's actually in your system.

00:42:11.000 All of those reimbursements used to be covered by insurance companies, but they got rid of that.

00:42:16.000 And so as soon as they got rid of that, there was no checks and balances.

00:42:19.000 And so it is layered.

00:42:20.000 It's very nuanced.

00:42:21.000 It's never as simple as yes or no.

00:42:23.000 And I'm just...

00:42:24.000 I'm telling you what I saw.

00:42:26.000 I'm just trying to tell you what I saw.

00:42:28.000 I'm not saying I have all the answers.

00:42:29.000 I like how you hedge your guts there.

00:42:31.000 But, I mean, that's all highlighted in that Netflix documentary that Peter Berg made about the Sackler family, which is...

00:42:39.000 Not documentary, what you call it, docudrama series. 0.99

00:42:41.000 That fucking series is so enraging. 0.99

00:42:44.000 And after that, you know that one guy that they kept in a hotel room for like two days. 1.00

00:42:50.000 The head of the FDA. Who knows what they did for that guy.

00:42:52.000 To that guy, what the fuck did they do to him? 0.98

00:42:54.000 They got him to approve that. 0.99

00:42:56.000 They found that guy.

00:42:57.000 That guy was in a small town in New Hampshire and they ostracized him.

00:43:01.000 The sheriff was trying to highlight how many people in the community had died of opioid overdose and how much blood was on his hands.

00:43:10.000 Well, he took a job with the Sacklers.

00:43:12.000 He worked at the FDA, approved that, took a job with Sacklers.

00:43:16.000 I know we beat that horse dead too, but out of the last 15 heads of the FDA, 13 have gone to work for industry.

00:43:24.000 And that's tough.

00:43:25.000 That puts everyone in a tough position.

00:43:27.000 If we're going to allow people to work one place one month and then go work for the bad guys the following month, how can we regulate that?

00:43:33.000 How is that legal?

00:43:35.000 A lot of people don't know.

00:43:36.000 The Sacklers, that was their second time creating a crisis in America. 1.00

00:43:39.000 In the 70s, they created the Valium crisis.

00:43:41.000 They got all the women. 0.95

00:43:43.000 I think it was one in three housewives were addicted to Valium in the 70s.

00:43:46.000 One in three?

00:43:49.000 Congress went after the Sacklers then and they ended up taking a settlement and they paid their way out of it.

00:43:54.000 Slap on the wrist, no criminal charges ever brought forward.

00:43:57.000 And they rode off into the sunset after creating this Valium crisis of the late 70s, early 80s.

00:44:03.000 Oh my god.

00:44:04.000 Jamie, pull up that tweet that I sent you from Jay Bhattacharya.

00:44:09.000 So Michael Pollan, you know, he's highlighted the dangers of pesticides.

00:44:16.000 The USDA funded a PR organization that worked with agricultural interests to downplay the harms of pesticides in farming and to compile defamatory dossiers on opponents of pesticide use.

00:44:30.000 Including food writer Michael Pollan.

00:44:32.000 Just imagine that the USDA spends money to defame people.

00:44:40.000 Using your tax dollars spends money to defame people that are trying to tell you that there is poison in your food.

00:44:49.000 Yeah.

00:44:49.000 Measurable amounts, something along the lines of 90 plus percent of Americans have Roundup in their system.

00:44:58.000 They have glyphosate in their system from crops.

00:45:01.000 That was one of the things I learned too.

00:45:03.000 5% of the human brain mass and weight is now plastics.

00:45:09.000 We learned that in the hearing too.

00:45:11.000 5%?

00:45:11.000 Blew my mind.

00:45:12.000 Never heard that statistic.

00:45:14.000 It's terrifying.

00:45:15.000 Revealed the US government's funded private social network attacking pesticide critics.

00:45:21.000 So what does it say about this?

00:45:23.000 In 2017, two United Nations experts called for a treaty to strictly regulate dangerous pesticides, which they said were a global human rights concern, which, by the way, Roundup is illegal in a lot of countries, citing scientific research showing pesticides can cause cancers,

00:45:39.000 Parkinson's disease, Alzheimer's, and other health problems.

00:45:42.000 Publicly, the Pesticide Industry's lead trade association dubbed the recommendations unfounded and sensational assertions.

00:45:51.000 But what's crazy is this is Monsanto, which is also Bayer.

00:45:55.000 And we talked about that.

00:45:56.000 This is the company that knowingly infected people with HIV and shipped it to third world countries because their hemophilia drug had been contaminated.

00:46:08.000 And they knew they'd get busted if they shipped it in the US. So they shipped it to third world countries and knowingly infected thousands of people with HIV. And we're trusting these people?

00:46:20.000 Look what it says here.

00:46:38.000 Are hosted on an online private portal for pesticide company employees and a range of influential allies.

00:46:46.000 Members can access a wide range of personal information about hundreds of individuals from around the world deemed a threat to industry interests, including the U.S. food writers Michael Pollan and Mark Brittman, the Indian environmentalist Vandana Shiva,

00:47:03.000 and the Nigerian activist, you say that one, How do you say that?

00:47:08.000 How do you think you say that name?

00:47:10.000 Nimo Bossy?

00:47:10.000 Nimo?

00:47:11.000 Nimo Bossy.

00:47:14.000 Nimo Bossy.

00:47:17.000 Many profiles include personal details such as the names of family members, phone numbers, home addresses, even house values.

00:47:26.000 The profiling is part of an effort which is financed in part by U.S. taxpayer dollars to downplay pesticide dangers, discredit opponents, and undermine international policymaking according to court records, emails, and other documents obtained by the non-profit newsroom Lighthouse Reports.

00:47:45.000 It corroborated with The Guardian, the new lead, Le Monde, Africa Uncensored, and Australian Broadcast Corporation, and other international media partners on the publication of this investigation.

00:47:56.000 The efforts were spearheaded by a reputation management firm in Missouri called vFluence.

00:48:02.000 The company provides services that it describes as intelligence gathering, proprietary data mining, and risk communications.

00:48:11.000 The revelations demonstrate how industry advocates have established a private social network to counter resistance to pesticides and genetically modified crops in Africa, Europe, and parts of the world while also denigrating organic and other alternative farming methods.

00:48:28.000 Wow.

00:48:30.000 Wow.

00:48:31.000 I mean, it doesn't, it's just, I think it was Jason during the testimony, he said, and this resonated with me, Do we need double-blind studies to know that chemicals we spray on pesticides and chemicals we spray on fields that cause disruption in mitochondria of insects and destroy them at the cellular level might possibly,

00:48:53.000 can we at least say, might possibly create some sort of issue in other biological beings?

00:49:00.000 No, that's unfounded.

00:49:00.000 That's an unfounded assertion.

00:49:02.000 More than 30 current government officials are on the membership list, most of whom are from the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

00:49:10.000 This is so crazy.

00:49:12.000 It's so crazy that this is so blatant.

00:49:15.000 What gives me hope though is they were willing to talk.

00:49:17.000 That does give me hope, Joe.

00:49:19.000 Like the Senate...

00:49:20.000 They took a risk, man.

00:49:21.000 They took a risk.

00:49:22.000 They allowed us to come in.

00:49:23.000 They did say, hey, we recommend you don't go too hard in the paint. 1.00

00:49:27.000 And everyone said, fuck that. 1.00

00:49:29.000 And they just dropped bombs like they know. 1.00

00:49:32.000 They're insiders from their space and they know.

00:49:35.000 The only way it's going to affect people is these viral video clips have to go online and people have to share them on Facebook and Instagram and Twitter.

00:49:41.000 Thank God they can, you know, because who knows if the government could clamp down on it the way they have in other countries.

00:49:48.000 Other countries have severely clamped down, and there's been some real issues in America, but America still is the best place to distribute information.

00:49:56.000 I mean, X is banned in Brazil right now, right? 0.93

00:50:00.000 There's a lot of shenanigans going on all throughout the world where people are trying to control narratives, and it's fucking spooky.

00:50:08.000 If we look at it, if we really look at it, if it wasn't for you, I would have never met RFK. And if it wasn't for coming on your show, I would have never got my message out there. 0.87

00:50:18.000 If it wasn't for Tucker's podcast, Callie would have never got his message out there.

00:50:22.000 And Casey.

00:50:23.000 Well, if it wasn't for you, you know how banged up I'd be, dude?

00:50:26.000 How many times you've helped me with stem cells?

00:50:29.000 I, you know, I talk about it all the time.

00:50:31.000 But I know there's a gentleman that I'm friends with that I've just been talking to who's going...

00:50:36.000 He's about to go to a disc...

00:50:38.000 He's getting his discs fused.

00:50:39.000 And I'm like, Jesus, have you looked into other options?

00:50:41.000 Have you looked into stem cells?

00:50:43.000 I mean, you could go to Tijuana, and I know those guys at the CPI have treated many people, including my friend Shane Dorian.

00:50:49.000 He had fantastic results.

00:50:51.000 My friend Tom Land in Utah as well.

00:50:53.000 He went down there and got his spine injected.

00:50:56.000 Fantastic results.

00:50:57.000 I tell people all the time, like, I love CPI. I love all these guys.

00:51:02.000 Like, all ships rise and fall with the tide.

00:51:04.000 We're in this together.

00:51:06.000 Our battle is not each other.

00:51:07.000 Our battle is the federal government.

00:51:10.000 You're very, very good about that.

00:51:11.000 I think that's very important to say, that you're not like a competitor of these people.

00:51:15.000 You feel like there's more than enough for everybody, and you're more than happy that these people are around.

00:51:19.000 I'm just glad there's a voice, because we've got to get the message out there that there are alternatives.

00:51:25.000 And this...

00:51:27.000 It's almost like a fairy tale that they've told the American people that, hey, if it's an FDA-approved product and it's in a hospital or your doctor tells you it's good as gold, it's science.

00:51:37.000 And it's not.

00:51:39.000 A lot of it's never been researched.

00:51:40.000 A lot of these doctors, unfortunately, are ignorant as to all these other remedies that are effective.

00:51:46.000 I can tell you working with primary cares, there's some of the hardest working, most patient focused folks out there and they're just tired.

00:51:55.000 They're beat down.

00:51:56.000 They're exhausted.

00:51:57.000 They've got to see 40 people a day.

00:51:59.000 Most of them are now employees of a hospital.

00:52:01.000 And so the hospital doesn't really care about the primary market because it doesn't make money.

00:52:07.000 The reason you have the primary care market is to control the referral network to the hospital system.

00:52:12.000 And so they need those primaries referring knees, shoulders, elbows, hearts, spine, brain, neurosurgeries.

00:52:20.000 That's where their money is made.

00:52:21.000 That's where they can really bill insurance companies and get big reimbursements.

00:52:26.000 But I think it's also what I was saying that a lot of these doctors aren't aware that this stuff works.

00:52:30.000 I told you about my shoulder injury.

00:52:32.000 When I went to the doctor, he told me, you are going to have to have surgery.

00:52:36.000 You're going to have to bite the bullet one day and have surgery. 1.00

00:52:39.000 And I was like, shit. 1.00

00:52:40.000 He goes, you could try other things and it might help you for a little while, but you're going to have to have surgery. 1.00

00:52:45.000 The only thing that gave him pause is when he did the strength tests with me, where he pushed down my arm and did all that kind of shit.

00:52:53.000 But I just think that's because the muscle around the damaged joint was strong. 0.94

00:52:57.000 And so he's like, well, you know, you're pretty functional.

00:53:01.000 He goes, the MRI, you shouldn't be able to do all this stuff according to your MRI. We still battle that.

00:53:07.000 I can tell you, GSP, he's coming in again this week, and he's talked about us, I think, on your pod.

00:53:11.000 He's posted about us.

00:53:12.000 He's the man.

00:53:13.000 He's amazing. 0.99

00:53:14.000 But when I met him, he was a skeptic, and he said, I know I'm talking to you because of Joe, but, like, my doctor said this is bullshit. 0.92

00:53:20.000 I'm up in Canada, and he said that there's no such thing and that I have to have surgery to fix this shoulder. 0.83

00:53:26.000 We fixed his shoulder.

00:53:27.000 He's posted about it.

00:53:28.000 He never had surgery.

00:53:29.000 He went back in.

00:53:30.000 The doctor's like, I don't know what you're doing, and there are Dozens of NFL athletes we've worked with, I don't think any of them, other than Aaron Rodgers, has told their doctor that they're working with us.

00:53:41.000 Like, big name athletes, but they're scared of the team doctor.

00:53:43.000 Yeah, well, kudos to Aaron, because the team doctor was trying to tell him to avoid all that stuff, including stem cells.

00:53:49.000 Yeah.

00:53:49.000 It's just nuts.

00:53:50.000 And I think the doctors aren't doing it because they're bad people.

00:53:53.000 I think they don't know.

00:53:54.000 I think they don't have time to do the deep dives.

00:53:56.000 Most doctors, how much peer-reviewed literature do you think most doctors who are in orthopedic surgeons, who are in practice, how much are they absorbing?

00:54:04.000 How much time do they have between malpractice insurance, between medical school bills that they're in debt with, between the overhead that they have to run their practice?

00:54:14.000 I mean, they have to get people in and out of the office quickly.

00:54:17.000 Well, and you also go back to who funds studies and who funds...

00:54:20.000 When I worked as a med device rep, I can tell you we funded studies, but those studies were going to be focused on and geared towards moving our products.

00:54:28.000 Of course.

00:54:29.000 And so we didn't have a stem cell or biological product because we sold hardware and we wanted ACL surgery, shoulder surgeries, knee surgeries, because that's how the company made its living.

00:54:43.000 And so, again, it wasn't that we were against it or trying to destroy it.

00:54:47.000 It was more of, if you can trivialize it and focus on what makes you your check, that's where everyone's at.

00:54:53.000 And everyone's so compartmentalized, it's easy to almost have plausible deniability.

00:54:58.000 So, like, somebody comes in to a primary care, and they're overweight, and they're diabetic, and they're anxious, and they're not sleeping.

00:55:07.000 The doctor's gonna write them five drugs and push them out the door, not because they're a bad person, but because that is how we teach clinicians to practice medicine in this country. 0.53

00:55:16.000 Right.

00:55:17.000 That is the dogma of the situation we're in.

00:55:19.000 They're taught, prescribe first, ask questions later.

00:55:22.000 Rather than deep dive, understand the root cause of the disease, let's understand what is this person, like the question you asked me.

00:55:29.000 What are you eating?

00:55:30.000 How much sleep are you getting?

00:55:32.000 Are you getting sunlight?

00:55:33.000 Are you stressed?

00:55:34.000 But all this takes time.

00:55:34.000 Correct.

00:55:35.000 This is the issue.

00:55:36.000 If you want to move people in and out of the office, all this takes time.

00:55:39.000 One of the things that you guys do at Waste Well is you do comprehensive blood analysis.

00:55:44.000 When I sit down with Denise, my eyes glaze over and it's my body.

00:55:48.000 It's like, God, there's so many details to cover.

00:55:51.000 There's so many things.

00:55:52.000 But by following those directions, I've noticed a giant difference in my overall health.

00:55:59.000 It's amazing.

00:56:00.000 It is amazing, and it's unfortunate that this kind of resource is not available to more people, where more people don't have access to a doctor that's going to look at them comprehensively, look at their whole body.

00:56:12.000 If you're going to take care of your yard, if you're trying to grow plants in your yard, and your trees are all dying, your vegetables weren't growing, if you have the resources, you can go to a botanist.

00:56:22.000 Or you could go to someone who understands farming, someone who's a scientist, and you could say, what's wrong?

00:56:27.000 And they could do soil analysis.

00:56:29.000 My friend Steve actually did this.

00:56:31.000 He was trying to put a garden in his house in Brooklyn. 0.61

00:56:36.000 And they found that leaded gasoline from all those years, from like the 1960s, all those years where they used leaded gasoline in Brooklyn, because it's polluted, all that shit had gotten so deep in the soil That his backyard was contaminated with leaded gasoline.

00:56:56.000 And so you have to do a detox on the backyard.

00:57:00.000 So there's certain plants that you can plant that can help in that process.

00:57:03.000 There's certain treatments to the soil that can help in that process.

00:57:07.000 Why aren't we doing that with a body?

00:57:09.000 If you could do that with your backyard.

00:57:12.000 Think about it.

00:57:13.000 I can give you another example.

00:57:14.000 One of the tests we do, and I don't promote it.

00:57:16.000 It's expensive, and it's because the lab we use is expensive, but it is amazing, and it's a cancer screening.

00:57:22.000 And so we, in our healthcare system today, only screen for essentially, proactively, five different types of cancer.

00:57:30.000 Tumor-based cancers.

00:57:31.000 Okay, well, there's a blood test that can screen for over 200 tumor-based cancers, and it can tell you when you're at level zero, right?

00:57:43.000 Undistinguishable, because usually how they're diagnosing is through Imaging.

00:57:48.000 And so the challenge with imaging is pixelation, right?

00:57:51.000 The image can't capture the cellular level.

00:57:53.000 Blood work can.

00:57:55.000 So at the cellular level, we can tell you when you're at stage zero on a cancer, up to seven years prior to you developing cancer, on over 200 different types of cancer, why would that not be implemented into our healthcare system?

00:58:09.000 Or at minimal, what I argued with the senator about was, okay, Let's just say we can't afford this for all Americans.

00:58:17.000 Why in the hell wouldn't we at minimal be doing this for our firefighters, our military veterans?

00:58:22.000 We know that over 70% of firefighters and military veterans will develop cancer in their lifetime.

00:58:27.000 It's staggering because of dealing with ballistics and weapons and guns and all those are carcinogens.

00:58:33.000 Firefighters are dealing with smoke and smoke inhalation and all the different chemicals they come in contact with.

00:58:39.000 I never thought about that in terms of guns, like shooting guns.

00:58:43.000 Like when you shoot guns, like if you go to a range and shoot guns, like how much toxic chemicals are you absorbing?

00:58:50.000 Well, all that gets in your skin and gets absorbed through the skin, so there are carcinogens in all of those things.

00:58:56.000 Especially indoors, right?

00:58:58.000 Like an indoor range versus an outdoor range?

00:59:01.000 And it's disproportionate.

00:59:02.000 Our first responders and our military personnel disproportionately have higher cancer rates.

00:59:07.000 Especially firefighters.

00:59:08.000 Yeah, think about all the things that they breathe in that are on fire.

00:59:11.000 I mean, look at how many veterans have suffered because of burn pits, which is an insane thing that they did.

00:59:17.000 They said, oh, we have all this garbage.

00:59:18.000 What's the most cost-effective way to get rid of it? 1.00

00:59:20.000 Let's make a massive fire that runs 24 hours a day and throw tires in it, fucking plastic, everything. 1.00

00:59:28.000 Whatever the fuck you got laying around, throw it in that burn pit. 1.00

00:59:31.000 Oh, and when the wind blows and that shit goes straight through camp, that's what everybody's breathing. 1.00

00:59:37.000 And who knows how many people develop cancer because of that? 0.99

00:59:40.000 I know multiple people that I know personally that have developed severe illnesses and even died because of that.

00:59:46.000 Well, and you can even see when we talk about diet and food and environment, it's even happening.

00:59:51.000 Wasn't it Biden's son?

00:59:52.000 Didn't he develop?

00:59:54.000 I think he developed a disease that was theorized that it came from burn pits.

01:00:01.000 Oh, I don't know.

01:00:01.000 See if you can find that.

01:00:03.000 I believe that's true.

01:00:05.000 I believe he served...

01:00:06.000 It wasn't meth?

01:00:07.000 No, that was the other son.

01:00:09.000 One son was the good guy.

01:00:11.000 Biden addresses possible link between son's fatal brain cancer and toxic military burn pits.

01:00:16.000 Isn't that insane?

01:00:17.000 His own son. 0.99

01:00:18.000 So crazy. 0.96

01:00:19.000 So he couldn't even protect his own son.

01:00:20.000 I mean, he's a powerful politician.

01:00:22.000 And his own son...

01:00:23.000 We tried to...

01:00:24.000 Like, that was the message I wanted people to get...

01:00:27.000 Yes, we were talking to senators, but the truth is we were talking to the American people.

01:00:31.000 And it was, guys, we don't have...

01:00:33.000 My thing to the public is, I'm not here to tell you that I have the answers to the test.

01:00:38.000 I'm here to tell you I have the questions to the test.

01:00:41.000 And I'm telling you what I saw.

01:00:42.000 And I'm being honest.

01:00:44.000 And I'm trying my best. 0.96

01:00:45.000 I am not fucking political. 0.98

01:00:47.000 Left, right... 0.99

01:00:48.000 Different wings to the same bird.

01:00:50.000 Like, I will say, right now, the right is talking about this because of Bobby Kennedy, and I know that Trump is wanting to meet next week as a health expo to dive in and try and understand from people in the industry what's going on behind the scenes and how we're headed towards this chronic disease crisis.

01:01:08.000 But what gets scarier is if we don't get this under wraps, we've got a rapidly aging patient population.

01:01:14.000 We have a rapid decline in the amount of primary cares.

01:01:18.000 You know, I talked about this last time.

01:01:19.000 We're going to have a 30% shortage in primary cares, and it already takes three months to get in with a primary care.

01:01:24.000 We're headed over a cliff.

01:01:26.000 We have got to get chronic disease under control in this nation, and we got to do it fast.

01:01:31.000 And I want to say something, too.

01:01:32.000 There's a lot of people that vehemently disagree with a lot of this stuff, and there's a lot of people online, like the people that write the articles, the woo-woo stuff.

01:01:41.000 They just don't know.

01:01:42.000 There's no way they actually knew what was going on in a comprehensive way and would still write those articles.

01:01:50.000 You would have to be evil.

01:01:51.000 I don't think those people that are writing those articles are evil.

01:01:54.000 I think they're doing a job and I think they're being directed.

01:01:57.000 I think they're being directed by people that have a vested interest in this information, just like we talked about with that USDA thing.

01:02:03.000 They have a vested interest in this information being dismissed.

01:02:07.000 And there's money behind it.

01:02:08.000 There's a financial interest behind it.

01:02:10.000 They try to say if we can't agree on one topic, that we have to disagree on all topics.

01:02:14.000 And that's the most frustrating thing to me.

01:02:16.000 My neighbor is amazing.

01:02:17.000 She's an amazing person.

01:02:18.000 She sent me a message and was like, you know, Bobby Kennedy sold out and blah.

01:02:24.000 I'm not.

01:02:24.000 I don't care about the Maha movement.

01:02:26.000 And I'm like, this isn't about Maha or Trump or anything.

01:02:29.000 This is about people.

01:02:29.000 Because she's a hardcore liberal?

01:02:31.000 Yes.

01:02:31.000 But I'm like, this is about people, though.

01:02:34.000 And don't let them fool you.

01:02:36.000 Don't let them fool you.

01:02:37.000 Like, I agree.

01:02:37.000 I don't agree with the Republicans on half the things.

01:02:40.000 It's just the problem is Trump as a person.

01:02:42.000 People just react to him in, like, the most negative way.

01:02:48.000 Yeah.

01:02:48.000 And they are fully convinced that all of his negative character traits, all these negative things are unbefitting to a president, and therefore he shouldn't be president.

01:02:59.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:03:01.000 I think anybody who wants to be president is fucking insane. 1.00

01:03:05.000 They're all insane. 1.00

01:03:06.000 I think it's just like kind of everybody else that's a leader in almost every industry. 1.00

01:03:12.000 I think they're insane people. 1.00

01:03:14.000 I don't think you get to the top of any heap unless you're out of your fucking mind. 1.00

01:03:19.000 And you could be out of your mind in a vicious sort of demeaning, attacking all your enemies way like Trump is. 0.99

01:03:29.000 And it's still the same drive is what led that guy to deal with this shit for four years where they were trying to put him in jail so that he doesn't run again and still run again. 0.99

01:03:39.000 And they try to kill him twice and he's still running. 0.99

01:03:42.000 It's like you...

01:03:43.000 I mean, I don't know.

01:03:45.000 He's a way braver man than I am because I would retire on an island.

01:03:49.000 It's a different kind of human. 0.76

01:03:50.000 And my point is, the only way you get someone who's not affected by that is you have to have an insane person.

01:03:58.000 It's literally the best tool for the job, because everybody else, all the 34 counts, which were not felonies, which they upgraded from a misdemeanor, which passed the statute of limitations, all of them were bookkeeping errors or mislabeling things,

01:04:17.000 which is illegal.

01:04:18.000 They're minor offenses that would not get anybody prosecuted. 0.99

01:04:22.000 Much less put in fucking jail. 0.98

01:04:24.000 Real potential for him being in jail. 0.99

01:04:26.000 And people want him to put him in jail. 0.98

01:04:27.000 They want to put him in jail for a long fucking time. 0.99

01:04:29.000 And it's crazy. 0.98

01:04:31.000 You're doing this at the same time where ICE admits that what are the numbers of murderers and convicted criminals that have made it into this country?

01:04:42.000 It's something bananas.

01:04:44.000 And this is just verified.

01:04:46.000 This is verified data.

01:04:48.000 Do you know what it is, Jamie?

01:04:50.000 Because I could find it.

01:04:50.000 Because somebody sent it to me, and I literally couldn't believe it's real.

01:04:54.000 So I'll send it to you, and you can find out if it is real. 0.98

01:04:57.000 Because if it's true, it's fucking bananas. 0.97

01:04:59.000 And just the sheer numbers, they're scary. 0.99

01:05:03.000 These are scary numbers, man.

01:05:05.000 It's like no one thinks this is a problem.

01:05:08.000 Look, I am the product of immigration.

01:05:11.000 My grandparents came here at a time where it was very easy to come here.

01:05:16.000 And I just sent you a screenshot, see if you can find out if it's true.

01:05:21.000 It was very easy to come here, and a lot of people who came here were criminals.

01:05:24.000 Look, a lot of people in my family were criminals.

01:05:27.000 They were Italians in the 1920s.

01:05:30.000 My grandmother went to jail.

01:05:32.000 When I was a kid, my grandmother went to jail for bookmaking.

01:05:34.000 When you watch The Godfather, the original Godfather, the ties to Italy and how intertwined all that is is wild.

01:05:41.000 And that's somewhat based on reality.

01:05:44.000 My grandmother's sister murdered her husband. 0.96

01:05:47.000 Yeah.

01:05:49.000 These are wild people. 1.00

01:05:50.000 These are people that came over on a fucking boat before YouTube. 1.00

01:05:53.000 They didn't even know what it was like over here. 0.99

01:05:54.000 They took a chance.

01:05:56.000 They took a chance. 1.00

01:05:56.000 So I am completely sympathetic to immigrants, but you can't let in fucking gang members. 1.00

01:06:03.000 There's got to be some kind of screening. 0.99

01:06:04.000 You want to make it easier to get in for people that are hardworking, people that just want a better job?

01:06:08.000 I'm with you.

01:06:10.000 I'm with you.

01:06:10.000 Just make it easier for them to get in.

01:06:12.000 Make it easier for the people that have been here for 20 years to become citizens.

01:06:15.000 Make, yes. 0.51

01:06:16.000 I know people.

01:06:17.000 I know a kid who was, she's 28 now.

01:06:20.000 She was born in America.

01:06:23.000 No, she was born in Mexico, but her parents brought her over here when she was a baby.

01:06:27.000 So she doesn't speak Spanish. 0.99

01:06:30.000 She has been in America her whole fucking life, and she's not an American citizen. 0.99

01:06:35.000 So she can't vote. 0.99

01:06:36.000 She's limited in the kind of jobs she can do. 1.00

01:06:38.000 It's fucking weird. 0.99

01:06:39.000 It's weird that we do that, but yet my grandparents just came over on a boat and fucking they write a piece of paper and they're in. 1.00

01:06:46.000 It's nuts. 0.99

01:06:47.000 Yeah.

01:06:47.000 We should have a screening process to keep evil people out.

01:06:52.000 That's it.

01:06:53.000 Everyone else, look, you imagine if you're born in Guatemala, wouldn't you want to come over here and get a job as a landscaper? 0.97

01:06:58.000 Fuck, you could make $600 a week, $700 a week, oh my god, and then you live in a family, in a house with a bunch of people, which they're used to doing anyway, and then someone branches off and makes their own business, and all of a sudden you're living the American dream. 0.98

01:07:11.000 Right? 1.00

01:07:12.000 This is what we all want for everybody.

01:07:15.000 There's enough for everybody.

01:07:16.000 But you can't let in murderers.

01:07:19.000 Yeah, there's got to be a process.

01:07:20.000 This is crazy.

01:07:21.000 And you can't, like, let them in and ship them to swing states.

01:07:26.000 And then try...

01:07:27.000 I mean, it's just so in your face.

01:07:28.000 Ship them to swing states, and then there's all this talk now of amnesty for all the people that came in. 0.88

01:07:34.000 Well...

01:07:35.000 I'm all for amnesty for the people that have been here their whole life, like this girl that I know, who's 28 years old now.

01:07:42.000 I'm all for that.

01:07:43.000 Yeah.

01:07:44.000 Yeah, that makes no sense.

01:07:45.000 She should be American. 1.00

01:07:46.000 She's a fucking American. 1.00

01:07:47.000 She pays sales tax and all this other tax. 1.00

01:07:50.000 Yeah, yeah, those people.

01:07:52.000 But there should be some sort of a screening process. 0.99

01:07:54.000 You know, if you're in fucking gangs that bring in fentanyl, hey, maybe we should let that guy in. 0.98

01:08:02.000 And this is the whole idea of having borders in the first place. 0.99

01:08:04.000 And what's shocking...

01:08:07.000 Is if you try to come here legally, it's very difficult.

01:08:10.000 I've had friends from Canada, like comedians from Canada that want to move to America. 0.97

01:08:14.000 It's a long fucking process to become an American citizen. 0.98

01:08:18.000 It's difficult. 0.99

01:08:19.000 And you have to do homework.

01:08:20.000 You gotta answer tests.

01:08:24.000 But if you just walk in, they'll give you money, they'll house you, they'll give you an EBT card, they'll give you food stamps. 0.99

01:08:30.000 What the fuck are we doing? 0.96

01:08:32.000 Well, we must be doing something. 0.99

01:08:34.000 So it's either one of two things.

01:08:36.000 Either we want cheap labor, and this is what Tim Dillon thinks.

01:08:39.000 He thinks that the cheap labor market for construction and all these jobs that most people don't want to do anymore, it's falling off a cliff.

01:08:45.000 And the best way to sustain those industries is to bring in cheap labor, and the best way to do that is to bring in migrant workers. 1.00

01:08:52.000 Because they're willing to do jobs that a lot of people won't.

01:08:54.000 And this is the positive side of like Springfield, Ohio, where people talk about the Haitians that moved there. 0.95

01:08:59.000 The people that employ these Haitians say these people are hard workers.

01:09:02.000 They're so happy to be here.

01:09:04.000 They want the American dream.

01:09:06.000 That's great.

01:09:07.000 That's what we want.

01:09:08.000 We want more of that.

01:09:09.000 That's all good.

01:09:11.000 You can't make it insanely difficult for a college-educated person from Norway to move here because they want to do – literally, like, when Chamath was on, he explained that when he was over here going through his visa process, they had to show that he was doing something that an American couldn't do.

01:09:30.000 You have to be someone of exceptional skill.

01:09:32.000 Oh, that's wild.

01:09:32.000 A very difficult person to find.

01:09:34.000 Yeah.

01:09:35.000 And then you could get a passport.

01:09:37.000 I mean, you can get a green card and eventually become a U.S. citizen.

01:09:40.000 But it's a long process and a difficult process because every year when you go to get your visa renewed, you're at the whim of this person.

01:09:48.000 Who knows if they had a bad day? 1.00

01:09:50.000 Who knows if their fucking wife just started fucking the mailman and they found out about it and she drained their bank account and he's like, fuck you! 1.00

01:09:57.000 Go back to Canada! 1.00

01:09:59.000 They can do that to you.

01:10:01.000 They can do that to you at a whim.

01:10:02.000 But if you walk in, Nancy Pelosi wants you to get amnesty.

01:10:05.000 I've got a buddy who's a wildlife photographer for Cabela's and he...

01:10:11.000 He's from somewhere over in Russia, but it literally took him years to get his citizenship.

01:10:17.000 And he became friends with the girl who worked at the guy who approved his desk and would literally message her.

01:10:23.000 And she'd be like, nope, not today.

01:10:25.000 Nope, not today.

01:10:26.000 And he waited for a day when the guy was having a great day.

01:10:29.000 And went and had his meeting, and he got his citizenship, but it took him years.

01:10:32.000 And now he's working here for Cabela's, shooting wildlife photography, and living the dream.

01:10:38.000 And he grew up reading, in Russia, reading these books about the Great West, and he wanted to be a cowboy, and he tells these stories.

01:10:46.000 But he is an example of somebody who believes in the American dream, and that's where I go back to.

01:10:51.000 Well, it's difficult for them to acquire.

01:10:52.000 It's difficult.

01:10:53.000 So let's see what it says here.

01:10:55.000 Department of Homeland Security Spokesperson Turden Newsweek.

01:10:57.000 The data in this letter is being misinterpreted.

01:11:00.000 The data goes back decades.

01:11:01.000 It includes individuals who entered the country over the past 40 years or more, the vast majority of whose custody determination was made long before this administration.

01:11:10.000 Okay, but you are still saying that those people are here.

01:11:15.000 Noted in his letter that ICE is bound by statutory requirements not to release certain non-citizens from its custody during the pendency of removal proceedings.

01:11:24.000 He added that most non-citizens who are convicted of homicide are typically not eligible for release from ICE custody. 0.99

01:11:33.000 Like, listen, if you fucking kill people, if you're an illegal alien and you sneak across the border and you kill Americans, how about nobody's eligible for release? 0.99

01:11:43.000 How about that? 1.00

01:11:44.000 Let's just start with that.

01:11:45.000 Well, I mean, if you think about it, if you're a felon in the United States, you're not allowed to vote.

01:11:49.000 So wouldn't it make sense that we don't accept, you know, somebody with a criminal record into the United States?

01:11:55.000 Like we have, you know, we have a lot of fights that we're already fighting and a lot of budgetary restraints as a society that we can't really dig ourselves out of the hole with right now.

01:12:07.000 Bill, we have so much money for Ukraine.

01:12:09.000 It may be shocking to hear the Biden-Harris administration is actively releasing tens of thousands of criminal illegal aliens into our communities, but their own numbers conclusively prove this to be the case.

01:12:18.000 This defies all common sense, read a statement.

01:12:22.000 Newsweek has contacted the Harris campaign for comment via email outside of standard working hours.

01:12:27.000 What does that mean?

01:12:29.000 What is standard working hours?

01:12:31.000 Oh, that's why they didn't get back to them?

01:12:33.000 It was outside of standard working hours.

01:12:35.000 The email arrived at 5.15.

01:12:38.000 Put that back up again.

01:12:41.000 Department of Homeland Security spokesperson told Newsweek the date in this letter is...

01:12:45.000 This is the one that says it's being misused.

01:12:48.000 So this is a Department of Homeland Security spokesperson says it's being misused.

01:12:54.000 Scroll that down.

01:12:55.000 Scroll that down a little bit further.

01:12:57.000 See what it says there.

01:13:00.000 Congressional Republicans voted against them twice.

01:13:02.000 Democratic presidential candidate added, we took executive action to reduce unlawful border crossings.

01:13:07.000 See, this is the thing that gets weird.

01:13:09.000 It's like, you know, they say that Trump, the Biden administration is trying to say that Trump blocked some sort of border wall bill because he wanted it to be something that he could campaign against.

01:13:21.000 So he instructed the Republicans to vote against it. 0.97

01:13:25.000 There's so much that kind of fuckery. 0.94

01:13:27.000 I don't know if that's true or not, but it's the possibility of that being on the table. 0.94

01:13:32.000 I'm not accusing anyone of doing that, but imagine a world where a person could conspire, and I'm not saying they did, but a person could conspire to make something happen because that would be something that they could campaign against.

01:13:47.000 Look what you did.

01:13:48.000 And that's how dirty this game is. 1.00

01:13:50.000 That's why nobody wants to do it, unless you're fucking crazy. 1.00

01:13:53.000 Unless you're crazy like Trump. 1.00

01:13:54.000 And he just waits. 1.00

01:13:56.000 He sent Mark Cuban a letter when Mark Cuban's television show failed in like 2004 or whatever the fuck it was. 0.56

01:14:06.000 And someone posted it on Instagram today. 0.63

01:14:08.000 See if you can find it, Jamie.

01:14:09.000 But it's so petty.

01:14:12.000 It's so petty.

01:14:14.000 And the fact that he signed it and sent it to him, took time out of his day to have someone draft a letter, probably didn't type it himself, have someone draft the letter and send it to Mark Cuban in the mail.

01:14:27.000 Yeah.

01:14:32.000 But it takes that kind of a person to literally make their way through the system.

01:14:38.000 The only way you get through all these attacks.

01:14:42.000 And we've seen the full force of it.

01:14:45.000 It's like we've seen all the orcs that were hiding in the forest.

01:14:48.000 They all came out to attack.

01:14:49.000 The level of hell that those people go through.

01:14:51.000 This is the letter.

01:14:53.000 This is from 2004. Mr. Mark Cuban, Dear Mark, I'm truly sorry to hear that your show has been canceled for lack of ratings.

01:15:01.000 When I initially called you to congratulate you on The Benefactor, little did you or I realize how disastrous and embarrassing it would turn out for you.

01:15:13.000 If you ever decide to do another show, please call me and I'll be happy to lend a helping hand.

01:15:17.000 With best wishes, Donald Trump... 0.99

01:15:20.000 What a savage. 1.00

01:15:22.000 But what a crazy backhanded... 0.98

01:15:25.000 Why?

01:15:26.000 I don't understand.

01:15:27.000 What beef?

01:15:27.000 They must have some kind of beef.

01:15:29.000 They've had a long beef.

01:15:31.000 What is the beef about?

01:15:32.000 The guy's hilarious.

01:15:34.000 That is hilarious.

01:15:35.000 It's hilarious that he takes time out of his day.

01:15:38.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:15:39.000 Not just, like, say, good, fuck that guy. 1.00

01:15:42.000 That show got canceled. 1.00

01:15:43.000 Takes time out of his day to write, like...

01:15:47.000 A conciliatory.

01:15:48.000 I'm sorry.

01:15:49.000 Sorry it's happening, man.

01:15:51.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:15:51.000 You fucking loser. 1.00

01:15:52.000 Like, literally writes it in there. 1.00

01:15:55.000 The whole thing is wild.

01:15:57.000 But what's hard is people use those things to distract us and to divide us.

01:16:01.000 And like, even with my neighbor, I know we agree on 80% of the things.

01:16:05.000 It's like, hey, I'm not against or for...

01:16:08.000 Anyone like I'm not against Kamala.

01:16:10.000 I'm not against Trump.

01:16:11.000 I'm I'm for team humanity I am for I am too and we work together to solve the problem and whoever wins whether Trump or Kamala I hope that we can continue the momentum in the dialogue and I hope that you know we can truly have an open conversation that gains traction and what I love about it being Public is it's forever memorialized in public record.

01:16:35.000 I think there's no hiding it.

01:16:36.000 Yes, and I think it will and especially in today's day with I've seen so many videos sent me of your testimony And I've had them recommended to me on Instagram to from accounts.

01:16:46.000 I don't even follow so it's getting around but I think what's also interesting is that social chaos is It unveils things.

01:16:58.000 It unveils things about human beings.

01:17:00.000 And that is one of the benefits of having a guy that you can decide is Hitler. 0.96

01:17:06.000 Even though half the country loves him.

01:17:09.000 Half the country loves that dude.

01:17:11.000 Maybe more than half the country now.

01:17:12.000 There's a lot of silent loves that guy people. 0.99

01:17:15.000 Because they realize there's not a lot of other options out of this other than a fucking crazy person who would write Mark Cuban a letter like that. 1.00

01:17:24.000 You need to be insane to pull this off. 1.00

01:17:28.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:17:29.000 And you might need to be insane in a way that you or I would find distasteful.

01:17:32.000 It is insanity, because even at a smaller level, just testifying in front of the Senate, the level of hate and just, like, misrepresentations of truth. 0.66

01:17:41.000 I don't even want to call it lies, but to me it's lies.

01:17:44.000 The level of, like, misrepresentation and taking things out of context, and it just...

01:17:52.000 It just doesn't seem genuine and it doesn't seem like people are really fighting for truth.

01:17:57.000 They're fighting to win a game.

01:17:59.000 You were genuinely shook by it, but what I told you is the truth.

01:18:02.000 Nobody cares.

01:18:03.000 Don't read it.

01:18:04.000 Nobody cares.

01:18:04.000 Don't read anything about yourself, even good things.

01:18:06.000 Nobody cares. 0.99

01:18:08.000 People know what the fuck is going on. 0.99

01:18:09.000 They get to hear you talk in forms like this. 0.99

01:18:12.000 They get to hear you actually talk and lay it out. 1.00

01:18:15.000 They know who the fuck you are. 1.00

01:18:17.000 All this is all just noise. 1.00

01:18:19.000 But the good thing about this kind of noise, this social chaos, is that it unveils all this corruption.

01:18:26.000 It unveils the orcs that are hiding in the forest.

01:18:29.000 You see it.

01:18:30.000 And I am convinced If they know the efficacy of foreign countries using social media bots to attack people, they know that that works. 0.96

01:18:42.000 They know that that shifts narratives, especially for people that are sitting on the fence.

01:18:46.000 They know all that stuff works.

01:18:47.000 If you don't think that there's companies in America that we're not aware of that organize social media campaigns and have bots attack certain individuals like yourself for having a dangerous narrative, If you don't think that, 0.97

01:19:02.000 you're crazy. 0.99

01:19:04.000 You're naive. 1.00

01:19:04.000 But what's insane to me, Joe, is what part of saying, hey, we need to better understand how we're growing our food, how we're processing our food, how we're preserving our food. 1.00

01:19:15.000 Maybe leftover petrochemicals aren't the best way to preserve our food products in America.

01:19:21.000 You're not allowing that in other nations, and we're looking at the data, the statistics, and the numbers, and we're saying something's not right.

01:19:28.000 The point of that conversation was to say, today's the day we start the dialogue.

01:19:33.000 You know, the journey of a thousand steps starts with one.

01:19:36.000 And I look at it and say, my message was, how do we fix this? 0.98

01:19:41.000 Well, we start by acknowledging there's a fucking problem in the first place. 0.99

01:19:44.000 Dude, they don't care. 0.99

01:19:45.000 This is just about money and just about justifying the things that you're saying, the narratives that you're pushing to try to get that money.

01:19:52.000 If they came out with an article If someone did a peer-reviewed study that showed that if you drink exactly 13 glasses of water a day, you never get sick and you never get cancer, there would be articles the next day saying if everyone drinks 13 gallons of water or 13 glasses of water a day,

01:20:09.000 there'll be no water for black people and people of color and indigenous people. 0.99

01:20:13.000 The trans people would die of dehydration and the wells would dry up and then the crops and we're not gonna have food and there's a lot of impoverished people. 0.60

01:20:21.000 You don't need 13 glasses of water a day.

01:20:24.000 There would be some sort of a justification.

01:20:27.000 If you came up with some sort of a diet that you could follow and everyone would live to be 150, there would be an article about how dangerous it is to tell people to stay healthy.

01:20:35.000 Because if we all live to be 150, the resources will all be dobbled up.

01:20:38.000 That's what's crazy to me.

01:20:38.000 Literally, we're there saying diet, lifestyle, nutrition, getting proactive, predictive, and personalized.

01:20:44.000 That's the message.

01:20:45.000 It's a beautiful message.

01:20:46.000 The system's waiting for you to get sick and then they're giving you drugs.

01:20:49.000 Rather than waiting to get sick and taking a drug, let's get proactive and predictive.

01:20:53.000 Let's look at you at the biological level.

01:20:56.000 Let's stop the chronic disease from developing at its roots and prevent this crisis.

01:21:02.000 And don't you think there's a way that companies can do this and make money in an ethical way?

01:21:07.000 Absolutely.

01:21:08.000 There has to be.

01:21:08.000 And that's where I say, at my company, I'm not a philanthropist.

01:21:12.000 We make money, and we're doing it for a fraction of the cost of the system today.

01:21:17.000 We really are.

01:21:18.000 The patient's getting a deep dive into over 70 biomarkers, an hour on the phone with a clinician.

01:21:24.000 The only way I can scale this and make it better for people and more cost effective is AI and large language models, which is what I'm rapidly running towards, which even in that Hatchet Job article, she says, and he's illegally using AI to prescribe, I'm not prescribing medicine using AI. Yeah,

01:21:42.000 she said something to that nature.

01:21:44.000 Isn't that defamatory?

01:22:02.000 And I think this will happen, is I think AI will replace a lot of primary cares in America.

01:22:08.000 It's going to replace a lot of things. 0.84

01:22:10.000 And anybody denying the efficacy of AI at this point is ignorant. 0.99

01:22:14.000 You have to be ignorant, willfully. 1.00

01:22:16.000 You have to be willfully ignorant. 1.00

01:22:18.000 They have used AI right now to diagnose diseases that people miss. 0.86

01:22:23.000 They believe that AI is going to allow to assess breast cancer in a much more effective way because it can do something with visuals that human beings can't see with the naked eye because you're detecting things.

01:22:34.000 AI is going to be able to have a much, much higher percentage of Of a chance of catching that cancer.

01:22:41.000 Even at a great cash pay clinic, you know, like I think Ways to Well is a phenomenal clinic.

01:22:46.000 I think there's hundreds, if not thousands, of phenomenal cash pay clinics.

01:22:50.000 Peter Attia is brilliant.

01:22:52.000 In any of those practices, the clinician has to do a chart review before you come in.

01:22:57.000 That's going to take them at least 20 minutes if they're doing a good job.

01:23:00.000 Then they're going to spend 45 minutes to an hour with you, walking you through everything in your chart, what they saw, family history, genetics, epigenetics, cross-reference that with blood work.

01:23:11.000 That's a lot of work.

01:23:12.000 AI can do it instantly.

01:23:14.000 Instantly.

01:23:15.000 And at your own timeline and discretion.

01:23:18.000 So your blood work comes back.

01:23:20.000 Joe, you're busy.

01:23:21.000 You don't have time to get on the phone for 40 minutes with a provider.

01:23:23.000 No problem.

01:23:24.000 You log into the app and you ask Alan.

01:23:27.000 Alan, hey, remind me again, what was my blood work on testosterone?

01:23:31.000 And then Alan's going to tell you, and then you can ask this AI anything.

01:23:36.000 And it is backed by all the peer-reviewed journal studies, white paper studies, all the data that we've loaded in that has been cross-referenced by our clinical team, and we're guiding that.

01:23:46.000 It's not an open architecture, but we're allowing it to essentially help practice medicine in a way that we believe is the appropriate approach to medicine.

01:23:56.000 And how can that be bad?

01:23:57.000 I just think in the future it's going to be the way of the future and it'll allow us to get cost-effective.

01:24:01.000 This is how crazy the world is that something that straightforward, the way you laid it out so brilliantly, someone could label that as bad or woo or woo-woo.

01:24:10.000 Because you would know the AI, imagine the world where, and again, sword cuts both ways, every tool can be good or bad, but what I'm envisioning is AI monitoring you 24-7, tying into your wearables.

01:24:22.000 We know your REM sleep, your heart rate variability.

01:24:24.000 You've gone through and you've done a DEXA. I know how much lean muscle mass you have, how much visceral fat, how much subcutaneous fat.

01:24:31.000 I have your epigenetics, your genetics all loaded in.

01:24:34.000 I know your family history.

01:24:35.000 We've done a cancer screening.

01:24:37.000 I know that you have no forms of cancerous tumors in your body at this moment.

01:24:43.000 From there, now we have a clean bill of health and a starting point, but we're tracking you.

01:24:49.000 I know that Joe slept five hours on Saturday.

01:24:51.000 I know that Joe got one hour of sleep on Saturday.

01:24:54.000 And then we can accrue those data sets and begin to cross-reference it.

01:24:58.000 Like right now, we have over 60,000 patients at Ways to Well.

01:25:02.000 Imagine when it's nationwide and we have millions.

01:25:04.000 How are you monitoring their sleep?

01:25:06.000 We're not yet.

01:25:07.000 This is the app that we're launching.

01:25:09.000 So what would you use?

01:25:10.000 We want to be agnostic.

01:25:12.000 So we want to tie into Sleep8.

01:25:14.000 We want to tie into Whoop. 0.94

01:25:15.000 Any of them.

01:25:16.000 If you'll give us access to that data, we'll know what date you started prescription care.

01:25:21.000 You'll be able to refill your medicine straight through the pharmacy because it's vertically integrated.

01:25:26.000 Here's the challenge with traditional medicine. 0.99

01:25:28.000 Every software is based on how to get paid from the fucking insurance company. 0.99

01:25:33.000 That's it. 0.98

01:25:34.000 Pharmacy software is 30 years old.

01:25:36.000 It is purely based on how do I get my money from CVS? How do I get my money from United?

01:25:43.000 It's not meant to be a tool that helps drive health span and health care.

01:25:48.000 But if we vertically integrate pharmacy software with the medical practices software, with the AI, the rareables, the REM sleep, it then knows what date Joe started...

01:26:00.000 Glutathione or whatever, a peptide or whatever it is.

01:26:03.000 And we're going to see if we can track a marked improvement in heart rate variability, REM sleep, and all those variables.

01:26:09.000 And then at the end of a year, we reassess you proactively and personalized through a DEXA and a VO2 max.

01:26:15.000 And we say, look, Joe, you gained one pound of lean muscle mass.

01:26:18.000 You didn't put on any additional body fat.

01:26:20.000 Your visceral body fat is at an all-time low.

01:26:23.000 Your chronic disease score is an A+. We do not think you're headed towards a chronic disease.

01:26:28.000 We are proactive.

01:26:30.000 Not sitting back waiting for you to get cancer. 1.00

01:26:33.000 We're going to roll our sleeves up and go to fucking work. 1.00

01:26:36.000 And it's not hard. 0.99

01:26:37.000 This does not cost a fortune.

01:26:39.000 It is totally affordable.

01:26:40.000 I hear all the time like, this is your body.

01:26:43.000 This is the one.

01:26:44.000 This is how I ended my speech to the Senate.

01:26:47.000 And I believe this.

01:26:48.000 400 trillion to one.

01:26:50.000 400 trillion to 1 are the chances you are alive in this room today.

01:26:55.000 What are we going to do with it? 0.99

01:26:57.000 Are we going to let these bastards at Big Pharma and Big Medical profiteer off of our family members and profiteer off chronic disease? 0.99

01:27:05.000 Or are we going to take sovereignty and accountability? 1.00

01:27:08.000 Are we going to test ourselves and drive our health span and take ourselves out of their fucking shitty life raft that's going down? 0.98

01:27:15.000 Like, it doesn't matter if you have a first... 1.00

01:27:17.000 Republican Democrat, congratulations, you have a front row seat on the fucking Titanic. 0.99

01:27:22.000 That's where we're headed if we don't get proactive. 0.99

01:27:24.000 It is not a left or right issue.

01:27:27.000 This is an American issue.

01:27:29.000 That's all I keep trying to hammer home.

01:27:31.000 And thank God the Republicans are talking about it.

01:27:33.000 And I hope the Democrats will start talking about it.

01:27:35.000 That's why it's so fascinating about...

01:27:38.000 That's what's so fascinating about ideological capture.

01:27:41.000 That the thing that you would think would be one thing we could all agree on.

01:27:46.000 We should all be healthy.

01:27:48.000 That that would get attacked.

01:27:50.000 And that it would be more cost-effective, you could use technology, and you could have a much more comprehensive understanding of your health, and that gets attacked.

01:27:58.000 That's how upside-down things are.

01:28:00.000 And there's people that, if they think it...

01:28:05.000 It helps their career or it helps them in journalism.

01:28:10.000 It helps them get more connected.

01:28:12.000 They will be the attack dog.

01:28:14.000 They'll be the attack dog and go after someone with about as straightforward a message as you can get.

01:28:20.000 Yeah.

01:28:22.000 It's wild.

01:28:23.000 One of the things that RFK said that I think it really did resonate with me was we have to stop.

01:28:30.000 We have to start loving our kids more than we hate each other and seeing like I won't name it, but I know a little girl who struggles with her weight, and I look at that, and this kid is doing all she can.

01:28:44.000 And it's hard to tell a little kid, like, your friends can eat that candy, but you can't.

01:28:49.000 Everyone in school is drinking their soft drinks and all these things, and it's bad for all of them.

01:28:54.000 It's just some kids are metabolically showing it sooner, you know?

01:28:58.000 But it isn't good for anyone.

01:29:00.000 Who's consuming these things.

01:29:19.000 Yeah.

01:29:20.000 But addiction to food, it's like you have to eat food.

01:29:22.000 So every day you're testing your will.

01:29:24.000 Yeah.

01:29:24.000 Every day in a profound way.

01:29:27.000 That if you stay out of the casino, you're not, you know, like, he's not being tempted.

01:29:31.000 But you have, imagine if you were a gambling addict but you had to make three bets a day.

01:29:35.000 Yeah.

01:29:36.000 What?

01:29:37.000 You're a food addict, but you have to eat three meals a day. 1.00

01:29:39.000 That's fucking insane. 0.99

01:29:41.000 And that's where the GLP-1s, where I do say, like, morbidly obese, chronically ill, diabetic, pre-diabetic, patients headed over a cliff, it has been rebranded as a lifestyle drug for any girl who's trying to lose weight for spring break. 0.99

01:29:56.000 Right.

01:29:56.000 That's dangerous.

01:29:57.000 And it is dangerous to say that there is no risk-reward to prescribe that in children.

01:30:02.000 We don't know the long-term ramifications.

01:30:05.000 It's a little bit different risk analysis when we're talking about a chronically ill obese patient in their 40s headed towards chronic disease crisis that's going to kill them.

01:30:17.000 That's a different...

01:30:19.000 Risk profile and safety profile analysis than a 12-year-old little girl who's overweight.

01:30:25.000 That's a totally different talk track.

01:30:27.000 So, you know, I have some differing viewpoints from the other folks on that committee, but that's the beauty of a democracy.

01:30:35.000 We can disagree on topics, but agree on the issue of we've got a lot of work to do and some things to fix.

01:30:43.000 But it's very straightforward.

01:30:45.000 You could disagree all day long, but What you're saying is so straightforward and so beneficial to everyone across the board. 0.97

01:30:53.000 If there's anything that you would want in life, like, have you ever been sick, real sick, and you're like, God damn it, I can't wait to be better again. 0.71

01:31:00.000 It doesn't matter if you're rich, it doesn't matter if you're happily married, you love your job. 0.98

01:31:04.000 If you're fucking dying, you're in bed and you literally can barely get up to pee, and then you crushed and you lay back down in bed, you go, oh, what did I do to fuck this up? 0.99

01:31:14.000 How did I get so sick? 1.00

01:31:16.000 I am going to take care of myself. 0.99

01:31:17.000 I am going to fucking get back on track. 0.98

01:31:19.000 A lot of people don't, but some people actually do. 0.97

01:31:23.000 They actually do realize at that moment, like, I can't let this happen again.

01:31:26.000 Like, whatever I did to my immune system, pulling all-nighters, working at the job fucking 16 hours a day, and then you get, like, a horrible flu, and you're bedridden for two weeks. 0.60

01:31:36.000 Yep.

01:31:37.000 During that time, the one thing you want more than anything is to be healthy.

01:31:41.000 You ask a healthy person what they want, they give you a thousand things.

01:31:44.000 You ask a sick person what they want, they want to be well.

01:31:47.000 They want to be well.

01:31:49.000 If you told a person who's worth, like, Bill Gates money, if you said to Bill Gates, hey, you know, you could have the flu for the rest of your life and keep all that money, or give it all up.

01:31:58.000 You're going to have to start from scratch, but you'll be healthy.

01:32:00.000 He would give it all up and start from scratch.

01:32:02.000 You're spot on.

01:32:05.000 You don't understand.

01:32:06.000 I sit at dinners when I get the opportunity to be with my family and I look around the table and I really do think, Joe, ever since losing my brother, I am so present in those moments.

01:32:18.000 And I just want everyone to be healthy.

01:32:20.000 And I want the good memories to last.

01:32:22.000 And I want to be able to watch people live happy lives.

01:32:26.000 And all the data and numbers and statistics, they're so overwhelming that people lull over.

01:32:32.000 And that's why in front of the Senate, I brought it back to, I'm just going to talk about people.

01:32:36.000 I didn't even talk about statistics because there were way smarter people out there than me from Harvard, Stanford, all these academic types that are brilliant.

01:32:44.000 And I'm like, but at the end of the day, guys, if the Senate doesn't understand, these are your children, your wives, your brothers, your sisters, your husbands, your wives.

01:32:53.000 These are family members.

01:32:56.000 This is not just a number.

01:32:58.000 These are real lives.

01:32:59.000 1.9 million people dying a year of chronic disease.

01:33:03.000 That doesn't even include deaths of despair, suicide, opioid abuse.

01:33:08.000 We are a chronically ill society and those impacts destroy families.

01:33:13.000 Destroy families.

01:33:15.000 The ramifications are so far beyond Finances in numbers, but even finances in numbers, 24% of our federal budget, healthcare.

01:33:24.000 Number one budget concern federally is healthcare.

01:33:27.000 Number one concern for most states, healthcare.

01:33:30.000 Number one reason for bankruptcy in the United States for an individual, healthcare.

01:33:35.000 It is a huge problem, but that's the dollars and cents of it.

01:33:39.000 The real cost is paid in human lives and lost loved ones.

01:33:43.000 And that's all I wanted them to hear is, don't sweep this under the rug. 1.00

01:33:47.000 These are fucking people dying. 0.99

01:33:48.000 How much of an effort has been put forth after the whole Sackler family crisis and the opioid crisis to mitigate the amount of these things that are prescribed? 1.00

01:34:01.000 I think a tremendous amount, but the problem is then you swing that pendulum to over-regulation and you've created a drug addict in the marketplace and all those addicts turned to fentanyl and black market products.

01:34:16.000 Right.

01:34:16.000 Because the addiction's already there.

01:34:18.000 Now we've already addicted.

01:34:20.000 More people are dying of opioids today than ever before.

01:34:23.000 Even though they're prescribed less.

01:34:25.000 Yeah, the damage has been done.

01:34:28.000 And that's what's hard.

01:34:30.000 I don't know how you put that genie back in the bottle.

01:34:32.000 The question becomes, what is the next opioid crisis?

01:34:35.000 What's the next thing?

01:34:37.000 It's almost like a hoarder's house.

01:34:38.000 Like, how do you even clean this up?

01:34:40.000 You know?

01:34:41.000 You ever see those hoarder shows? 0.99

01:34:42.000 You're like, what the fuck do you do with all this? 0.99

01:34:44.000 It's almost like us. 0.99

01:34:46.000 And the opioid crisis thing, the really scary thing is we're propping up cartels.

01:34:53.000 We're propping up really vicious people that are criminals.

01:34:57.000 They have to be vicious.

01:34:58.000 That's how you get ahead in that world.

01:34:59.000 There's no rules when you're in organized crime and you kill a lot of people.

01:35:03.000 And that's what you prop up when you have drugs illegal.

01:35:06.000 But now if you have drugs legal, I mean, this is a dilemma as well, right?

01:35:12.000 Because if you just had legal drugs, everything was legal.

01:35:14.000 How long would it take before people figured out to not do cocaine?

01:35:18.000 If you could just get cocaine the same way you can get Coca-Cola, how weird would that be?

01:35:23.000 I would even argue that the market we live in now is...

01:35:28.000 A pharmaceutical insurance cartel.

01:35:31.000 You know, they are glorified drug dealers monetizing people's chronic disease and they have such a stranglehold over academia, the universities, they fund most of the studies, the NIH. I mean, we just systematically go down from the food system to the government regulatory bodies to the enforcement committees to everything they control,

01:35:51.000 the media.

01:35:52.000 Like as soon as somebody gets, you know, get a little mouthy, anything, they come and hammer you.

01:35:58.000 And try to discredit you and portray it.

01:36:01.000 The crazy thing is also how transparent it is, like who owns the companies?

01:36:04.000 I know, but most people aren't going to spend the time to go, like, I looked because I'm like, who is this attacking me?

01:36:10.000 I want to understand their viewpoint.

01:36:12.000 It wasn't, oh, ha ha ha, gotcha, I'm going to bust these people.

01:36:15.000 It was more of, let me try and understand the other side and try and see what we could have said that would have been so inflammatory because the message is...

01:36:24.000 It was hope.

01:36:25.000 It was unity.

01:36:26.000 It was working together.

01:36:27.000 It was dropped apart.

01:36:28.000 It's become healthy.

01:36:30.000 Get America healthy.

01:36:31.000 Anybody would be opposed to that.

01:36:33.000 That's, I think, also a real problem with liberals during this election.

01:36:37.000 The concept of make America healthy again is so bipartisan and so universal and so clear in the fact that the Republicans are running with it.

01:36:49.000 They're so mad.

01:36:50.000 Like, that should have been something the Democrats.

01:36:52.000 The Democrats used to be anti-poison.

01:36:54.000 The left used to be anti-corporations dumping pollution in the waters.

01:37:00.000 They were against big corporations.

01:37:01.000 They were pro-free speech.

01:37:03.000 They were against censorship.

01:37:04.000 I mean, they were pro-reasonable discourse.

01:37:09.000 They weren't... 0.97

01:37:10.000 about censoring people and that everything's just gone so topsy-turvy that to have the left be against a movement even you what you should be saying is yeah fuck Trump but This Make America Healthy Again thing, it's a good idea. 0.96

01:37:22.000 We should probably do it, too. 0.97

01:37:23.000 We should probably just steal their idea.

01:37:25.000 We should probably say, whatever you guys are going to do, we're going to do it, too.

01:37:28.000 But we're going to be a better president, so go with us.

01:37:30.000 If they were smart, that's what they would do.

01:37:32.000 People would go, oh, you stole that idea from Trump.

01:37:35.000 She'd say, yeah, I stole it.

01:37:36.000 It's a good idea.

01:37:37.000 I like good ideas.

01:37:38.000 I'm not dogmatic.

01:37:39.000 Show me a good idea, I'll accept it.

01:37:40.000 And that's where I go, who has the most to win by dividing us?

01:37:44.000 It's not the Democrats.

01:37:45.000 It's not the Republicans.

01:37:47.000 It is...

01:37:48.000 The powers that be.

01:37:49.000 And when we peel back the layers, BlackRock, Vanguard, that own the majority shares of these pharmaceutical companies, that own the majority shares of most of the media outlets, that own the left and the right, they push agendas and they can control everything essentially except podcasts and free speech.

01:38:04.000 And that's one of the things that Jordan Peterson said in a meeting the night before we testified was he implored us to stop trying to cater to The mainstream media because he said it's a lost cause.

01:38:16.000 It's a lost hope.

01:38:17.000 I hate to say that to you guys, but the world is giving up on them.

01:38:21.000 Why are you guys wasting your time with them?

01:38:23.000 Focus on podcasts, books, areas where you can truly, in a long-form format, expose the truth and ask and respond to hard-hitting questions.

01:38:34.000 And we talked about you and your platform, and this is...

01:38:39.000 People try to label it as misinformation at times.

01:38:42.000 And I'm like, what part is...

01:38:43.000 Anytime I've come on, I've cited all my references on the Ways to Well website.

01:38:48.000 I list reference after reference, study after study.

01:38:51.000 Most of the things that they label as misinformation during COVID turned out to be true.

01:38:55.000 100%.

01:38:55.000 I mean, especially what they did to Peter McCullough.

01:38:59.000 Peter McCullough is the most published doctor in his field in human history.

01:39:04.000 Mm-hmm.

01:39:05.000 He's not a quack.

01:39:05.000 Jay Bhattacharya?

01:39:07.000 He's a professor at Stanford, right?

01:39:10.000 Isn't that where he is?

01:39:11.000 What? 1.00

01:39:12.000 These are the fucking actual experts. 1.00

01:39:14.000 These are the real experts. 1.00

01:39:15.000 Like, you guys are out of your fucking minds. 1.00

01:39:17.000 And you're saying this is misinformation? 1.00

01:39:20.000 But the problem is misinformation is like, you know, label it. 0.98

01:39:25.000 Homophobe, transphobe, misogynist. 0.99

01:39:27.000 Racist. 1.00

01:39:28.000 Once they get you, they put that on you, misinformation. 0.72

01:39:30.000 You spread misinformation.

01:39:33.000 You're like, what?

01:39:33.000 What misinformation?

01:39:34.000 Tell me what wasn't true.

01:39:36.000 And I'll even say, and again, I don't know.

01:39:38.000 I don't want to be too conspiratorial.

01:39:40.000 I went to bed and I was exhausted after that Senate hearing.

01:39:44.000 I posted it.

01:39:45.000 I'm a nobody.

01:39:46.000 I didn't expect...

01:39:48.000 I went to bed and I want to say I had 1.3 million views.

01:39:52.000 And I posted a rebuttal about one of the periodicals that was misrepresentative.

01:39:59.000 And I just posted, hey, Not a fair assessment of what happened today.

01:40:03.000 2,000 American people traveled from around the country to sit and hear an open dialogue that was bipartisan, backed by some of the best and brightest minds in medicine.

01:40:13.000 Harvard, Stanford, Stedman Hawkins, all were present.

01:40:17.000 This was not a bunch of influencers, blah, blah, blah.

01:40:19.000 Shame on you.

01:40:20.000 That was all I posted.

01:40:21.000 Didn't get into the weeds.

01:40:22.000 Woke up the next day and all the momentum was gone.

01:40:25.000 We still, I think, are sitting at 1.3 million.

01:40:28.000 I don't believe, and then Casey got messaged, hey, they'll de-platform you, be careful if you start naming specific news outlets, and I still believe that somehow we got de-algorithmed or de-prioritized after we began to push back On the media for the stuff they were saying.

01:40:47.000 Most certainly.

01:40:48.000 I'm sure.

01:40:49.000 And you probably got attacked anyway once they realized that it was gaining momentum.

01:40:53.000 It's very creepy.

01:40:54.000 And I wonder, like, at what level they can manipulate things at Google and at YouTube.

01:40:59.000 I mean, there's a level that they can actively suppress videos and they can actively suppress social media accounts and social media posts.

01:41:08.000 You know, when my special was gonna go live on Instagram, or on Netflix rather, on Instagram, Cam Haynes put a thing in his story saying that it was gonna go live, and they said that he couldn't mention me.

01:41:26.000 He wasn't allowed to mention me.

01:41:28.000 He wasn't allowed to mention me.

01:41:29.000 Yeah.

01:41:29.000 I forget what the label was.

01:41:31.000 Your JRE Experience, I don't know if they're affiliated with you or just a fan page, JRE Experience Instagram.

01:41:37.000 He print screened and messaged me and it said this video is not suitable for repost or something.

01:41:43.000 My video from testifying in front of the Senate.

01:41:45.000 They won't let you repost things.

01:41:46.000 This was a Senate hearing.

01:41:47.000 What are you talking about?

01:41:49.000 So someone has their claws in Meta that's able to suppress information.

01:41:54.000 Someone has their claws in YouTube.

01:41:56.000 Someone has their claws.

01:41:57.000 And, you know, you could use whatever label.

01:41:59.000 You could say the advertisers don't want to advertise on this because it's a controversial subject and that's the problem.

01:42:05.000 Okay, if that's all it is, but then it should still get a lot of views.

01:42:09.000 So if you want to withhold advertising, But the views are substantial.

01:42:15.000 That means that it's really being shared in a normal way with something so outrageous and something that gains that much momentum that quickly.

01:42:22.000 It doesn't make sense that Peter's out that quick.

01:42:25.000 It was too profound.

01:42:26.000 It resonated with too many people.

01:42:29.000 It was going crazy and then I would see 100 new follow, 100 like, whatever, and then the next morning, dead.

01:42:34.000 Totally dead.

01:42:34.000 Literally right after we were all trading texts about that article and we're like, Yeah, I think.

01:42:59.000 We're Democrat backgrounds, registered Democratic voters.

01:43:02.000 There were some Republicans on there, but it was a mixture.

01:43:06.000 It was a melting pot.

01:43:07.000 And we're all free thinkers.

01:43:09.000 Don't take my ability to think critically away from me. 0.99

01:43:12.000 I don't give a shit which party you're part of. 0.98

01:43:14.000 I am here for team people. 0.99

01:43:17.000 Let's talk about the issues and stop trying to make this left or right like it's not.

01:43:21.000 But they're smart in that all they need is one or two articles in a respected publication to cite, to point towards the fact that this is misinformation.

01:43:30.000 And someone from whatever organization would look at that and gloss over it and look like, oh yeah, we'll suppress that.

01:43:37.000 Yeah.

01:43:37.000 And that's all they need.

01:43:38.000 When I even think one step further, I feel like... 0.95

01:43:41.000 I feel like, for example, the New York Post article, I honestly, the way they worded that, they tried to make it sound like I'm just a regular on your podcast and I come on here and just shit all over the FDA. And I'm like, I'm doing my best to be transparent and say they're at a disadvantage,

01:43:58.000 they're underfunded, they didn't build this model, they were put in this model.

01:44:03.000 And they're doing their best to navigate, but they're underfunded, understaffed, and chronically corrupted.

01:44:10.000 By the environment itself, but I would tell you the same thing with academia, the same thing with hospital systems.

01:44:16.000 It's not me picking on one person.

01:44:18.000 Also, the people that work in the FDA, if you've been working in the FDA for four years, how much of a dent do you think you could put in the momentum of the machine that's behind you?

01:44:25.000 What are you going to do?

01:44:25.000 You're going to stick your neck out?

01:44:26.000 You're going to get it chopped off. 0.98

01:44:28.000 You're not going to move up the corporate ladder.

01:44:29.000 It's not set up that way.

01:44:30.000 And that's just the reality of being a human being, and you go, hey, I do my best.

01:44:34.000 Most of those people, like most people, they're good people.

01:44:39.000 Most people in all walks of life are good people.

01:44:41.000 But sometimes good people do bad things because they can or because they have to.

01:44:46.000 The biggest thing I saw in healthcare was doctors were exhausted, whether orthopedic surgeons, neurosurgeons, you know, I mean, I told you this, my buddy, he's a prominent sports medicine surgeon.

01:44:57.000 He's a team doctor for multiple teams.

01:44:59.000 You know, he's had highest positions at hospital systems.

01:45:03.000 Even he says, what am I going to do, man? 0.98

01:45:06.000 What am I fucking supposed to do? 0.98

01:45:08.000 I need to do surgeries. 0.99

01:45:10.000 I've got to do a certain amount of surgeries to make all of this flow and work.

01:45:15.000 And I've got to hold my team accountable for the amount of surgeries and their volumes.

01:45:19.000 And you're never supposed to make it about volumes.

01:45:21.000 But all of these hospital systems are incentivized off volume metrics that are based off...

01:45:27.000 Cranking out the most amount of surgeries and so there is a tremendous amount of pressure from the top down and with insurance companies dwindling reimbursements and dwindling like even primary care reimbursements, but also surgical reimbursements, you're not going to be able to innovate.

01:45:43.000 Yeah.

01:45:59.000 It's all about commodity, commoditizing it and driving down the cost right now to make it affordable to even get a joint.

01:46:05.000 So it doesn't even incentivize innovation.

01:46:07.000 Correct.

01:46:08.000 That's crazy, especially with something like replacement joints, which you would hope when they've gotten a lot better at that.

01:46:14.000 How many people do you know that have had hip replacements?

01:46:16.000 A lot.

01:46:17.000 I know a bunch.

01:46:18.000 Yeah, a lot.

01:46:18.000 I know a bunch.

01:46:19.000 Yeah.

01:46:19.000 And it's like they're walking around, like, quick.

01:46:22.000 Graham Hancock came in here six weeks after his hip replacement.

01:46:25.000 Yeah.

01:46:26.000 And, you know, he's 150,000 years old.

01:46:31.000 According to his aging, everything's older with him.

01:46:35.000 Graham's gotta be in his 70s, right?

01:46:37.000 And back then, I'm not sure how old he was.

01:46:40.000 This was back when we were in LA. But he was walking around six weeks later.

01:46:44.000 Fine, no limp, nothing.

01:46:46.000 It's extraordinary what they can do now.

01:46:47.000 It's amazing!

01:46:48.000 You would hope that they would continue to innovate in that way.

01:46:51.000 You know what's going on in California right now with home insurance?

01:46:58.000 Okay, there's a real crisis in California with home insurance.

01:47:03.000 Pull up the home insurance crisis.

01:47:06.000 Home insurance is sky high, and particularly in areas where they have wildfires, because they lose so much.

01:47:13.000 You know, where I used to live in California, I was evacuated three times.

01:47:16.000 That's crazy.

01:47:17.000 Yeah.

01:47:18.000 And the last time, my kids were real little, and we went in the middle of the night.

01:47:23.000 We had a takeoff at 2 o'clock in the morning, the fire was coming over the hill that was maybe 200 yards from us.

01:47:29.000 Growing up in Houston, I was used to hurricanes.

01:47:32.000 A fire would be terrifying.

01:47:33.000 Insurance keep dropping California homeowners.

01:47:37.000 Changes are in the works to try to stop their cherry-picking. 0.99

01:47:40.000 They don't want to insure houses that are likely going to burn or going to fall off of a fucking hill. 0.94

01:47:49.000 I remember I was watching this news special about Malibu, and there was a mudslide in Malibu, like a landslide. 0.99

01:47:56.000 So these people... 0.99

01:47:57.000 They park these fucking $5 million houses on stilts on the side of a hill. 0.99

01:48:04.000 Like, hey, why do you think the side of the hill varies so much? 1.00

01:48:08.000 Do you think maybe it moves? 1.00

01:48:09.000 Do you think maybe over time, shit fucking goes down? 1.00

01:48:12.000 It's not like a smooth skateboarding slope. 1.00

01:48:15.000 No, it's an unpredictable mass of land that's affected by years and years of drought.

01:48:21.000 So when you get drought, you don't have plant growth.

01:48:23.000 If you know plant growth, you get more erosion because there's no root systems.

01:48:27.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:48:27.000 And then chunks of this fucking hill were falling off. 0.99

01:48:30.000 And these people were in the middle of the night. 0.99

01:48:32.000 They heard cracking as their house was breaking apart in the middle of the night.

01:48:36.000 Their house started breaking apart and falling down the hill.

01:48:39.000 And they got out just in time.

01:48:41.000 It was crazy.

01:48:42.000 The guy was like, I just heard cracking.

01:48:43.000 I thought someone was breaking in.

01:48:45.000 Then we got up and we didn't know what was going on.

01:48:47.000 His house is cracking in half.

01:48:49.000 Are they having that many claims?

01:48:51.000 Is that why the insurance is that?

01:48:53.000 There's a lot of claims with wildfires.

01:48:55.000 There's not that many claims with landslides, but this is one that was like...

01:48:58.000 California has some real natural disaster problems, and the big one happens every 20, 30 years and hasn't happened since 1993. The earthquake thing.

01:49:11.000 Yeah, that fucking thing that happens over there all the time where everything fucking shakes and houses fall down and like, highways pancake. 0.98

01:49:20.000 I came, the first time I ever came to Hollywood, I was doing this thing for MTV and I came out here right after the earthquakes in 93. And I was like, this is nuts, man. 0.99

01:49:30.000 I remember driving by a highway that had collapsed on another highway.

01:49:34.000 It was like right afterwards.

01:49:36.000 I've only been in one earthquake and it was in Japan when we were at Disney in Japan and an earthquake hit.

01:49:45.000 Just recently?

01:49:45.000 Yeah.

01:49:46.000 We were with Philip, Frank and Lee and Margarita and Amanda and I were all there and literally the earthquake hit.

01:49:53.000 I get a text.

01:49:54.000 And I look, and all the Japanese people are looking at their phones, too.

01:49:58.000 And it's like, like an amber alert.

01:50:00.000 And I look, and it says, seek shelter, nine point, whatever, eight points.

01:50:04.000 That was a huge one.

01:50:05.000 I don't know earthquakes.

01:50:06.000 I don't want to tell you they're wrong.

01:50:07.000 Whatever the giant one was that just happened.

01:50:10.000 And every Japanese person just dropped to the ground and covered their heads. 0.97

01:50:14.000 And we were in a cave, like a man-made cave at Disney. 0.99

01:50:18.000 So Amanda looked at me and was like, fuck that, and just took off running. 1.00

01:50:21.000 And we like ran out of the cave. 0.99

01:50:23.000 Good move.

01:50:24.000 But everyone was just down on the ground.

01:50:26.000 And then the tsunami warnings followed.

01:50:29.000 And I was just thinking like...

01:50:31.000 I grew up with hurricanes and you know they're coming.

01:50:34.000 You have like a week.

01:50:35.000 The earthquake stuff is terrifying.

01:50:38.000 Terrifying.

01:50:38.000 Like that is scary.

01:50:39.000 Japan gets some big ones.

01:50:40.000 And the earth is literally throwing things and moving.

01:50:43.000 That's way scarier to me than hurricanes.

01:50:45.000 The biggest one I've ever been in was a small one.

01:50:47.000 It was like a 5.5 and they said it was actually an aftershock of the Northridge earthquake.

01:50:52.000 But it was right after I moved to LA. So it was like 94. I was sitting in my apartment.

01:50:58.000 And all of a sudden, my apartment moved like a refrigerator box. 0.96

01:51:03.000 You know, if you're a kid, you'd play, like someone got a new refrigerator, your kids would play in the box and fuck around, make a little hut out of it. 0.99

01:51:09.000 You know, carve little windows out of it and shit. 0.99

01:51:11.000 It was like that. 0.99

01:51:12.000 The whole apartment moved like that.

01:51:14.000 It wasn't even any noise.

01:51:15.000 It was just the shaking of the building.

01:51:18.000 But it seemed so flimsy.

01:51:22.000 That's all I could remember.

01:51:23.000 I remember being like, oh my god, I thought you guys were tougher than this.

01:51:26.000 I thought the house was tougher.

01:51:28.000 I thought it was in a building.

01:51:30.000 I thought it was in an apartment building.

01:51:31.000 It was a two-story apartment complex.

01:51:34.000 It just went like this.

01:51:36.000 Yeah.

01:51:41.000 And then it stopped. 0.81

01:51:42.000 And I remember going, I gotta get the fuck out of here. 0.99

01:51:45.000 I can't live in this place. 0.98

01:51:47.000 Like, this is gonna happen again.

01:51:48.000 When I got back to the hotel, there was a koi pond, because it's Japan, beautiful koi pond, but it was up on, like, the 30th floor.

01:51:55.000 Oh, my God!

01:51:56.000 All that water was just all over the lobby from the hotel swaying.

01:52:01.000 Oh, my God.

01:52:02.000 Yeah.

01:52:03.000 Jesus Christ.

01:52:03.000 And I was just like, this is scary.

01:52:06.000 Like, scary.

01:52:07.000 Well, and then tsunamis, the real scary thing, man.

01:52:10.000 Whew.

01:52:10.000 Those videos of the Fukushima tsunami where people saw it coming and they're trying to get away.

01:52:14.000 Those are all horrifying.

01:52:16.000 All the birds came first flying through.

01:52:19.000 Animals know.

01:52:19.000 Somehow or another, animals know.

01:52:21.000 When tsunamis happen, all the animals go to seek high ground.

01:52:25.000 Crazy.

01:52:25.000 Okay, what is that?

01:52:26.000 Yeah.

01:52:26.000 What is that?

01:52:27.000 It's crazy. 0.99

01:52:28.000 Someone should fucking study that. 0.99

01:52:30.000 They're getting some kind of information. 0.99

01:52:32.000 Yeah.

01:52:33.000 Some message from the universe is telling them to go to high ground.

01:52:37.000 How?

01:52:38.000 Yeah, I even saw it.

01:52:39.000 Well, they have senses that I think we have, too, that we just don't have anymore.

01:52:43.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:52:43.000 You and I talk about that when you go hunting and by day two or three, you almost feel like you're more aware, more in tune to every noise, you feel the temperature more, everything gets enhanced.

01:52:56.000 Dude, you're so alive.

01:52:58.000 You're so alive in the mountains.

01:53:00.000 I went to elk hunting and I got successful on the second day, which you can't pass up.

01:53:05.000 It just was a perfect scenario and I got successful.

01:53:09.000 But I wanted to keep going.

01:53:10.000 I wanted to stay out there.

01:53:12.000 When you're out there, just the physical act of being in the woods is like a vitamin that you don't know you need until you get it.

01:53:22.000 You're like, oh, I need this vitamin.

01:53:24.000 That's what I was saying, like a wildlife photographer, that'd be the dopest job ever.

01:53:28.000 You're just in the wilderness photographing wildlife. 0.98

01:53:31.000 What's crazy is he's a wildlife photographer, but when you talk to him because he's been through shit, you know, living in Russia. 1.00

01:53:36.000 He's worn out. 0.96

01:53:37.000 No, he's amazing because he's so optimistic and he'll say, and I agree with him, this is the greatest country in the world.

01:53:44.000 We are the greatest country in the world, but we have to fight for that.

01:53:47.000 No, we have to torch the Constitution.

01:53:49.000 Should we torch the Constitution?

01:53:51.000 The Atlantic thinks maybe we should torch the Constitution.

01:53:53.000 It's like, why?

01:53:55.000 Well, you know, it's all these interests and I think the social chaos aspect of today, this is what I find interesting because I think it forces these kind of conversations.

01:54:05.000 It forces people to deal with these problems.

01:54:08.000 It forces it.

01:54:09.000 Instead of like this healthcare issue being this insidious, never talked about thing that slowly crept up and just became ingrained in society to the point where everybody just accepted it.

01:54:18.000 Instead of that, You have this rebellion.

01:54:20.000 And you do have this Make America Healthy Again movement, which everyone should embrace, but yet it becomes ideologically captured by the right somehow.

01:54:31.000 And if you are with that, if you think, hey, that's a great idea those guys have. 0.93

01:54:35.000 I know they suck when it comes to women's right to choose. 1.00

01:54:38.000 They suck when it comes to whatever, fill in the blanks. 0.99

01:54:41.000 But I like what they're saying about this. 0.98

01:54:43.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:54:43.000 We're so lost in this team thing that is ingrained in our fucking DNA, and they play us with it. 0.99

01:54:50.000 They play us with it because we have these undeniable tribal instincts. 0.98

01:54:55.000 It's just like when you roll a ball of yarn past a kitten.

01:54:58.000 They can't help it.

01:55:00.000 They gotta jump on it.

01:55:01.000 They have these instincts.

01:55:02.000 We have instincts too.

01:55:03.000 You have it in your stand-up bit, and that part where you talk about politics, that's 100% how I feel, and that's how almost everybody I know feels.

01:55:13.000 It's a lie that we all believe the Republicans are the Democrats.

01:55:16.000 We don't.

01:55:17.000 We're all individuals and free thinkers, and every topic is different and nuanced, and it's not that easy.

01:55:24.000 It's not.

01:55:24.000 But it's hard to find a party that represents everything you believe in.

01:55:27.000 And again, I'm not political, so I focus on healthcare because it's what I know.

01:55:30.000 And I know.

01:55:32.000 I can debate anyone on this topic. 0.99

01:55:35.000 I fucking know it. 0.98

01:55:36.000 You want to talk about the Ukraine? 1.00

01:55:37.000 I'm a moron. 1.00

01:55:38.000 I can't help you there. 1.00

01:55:39.000 I don't know.

01:55:39.000 But I know healthcare and I know how broken it is.

01:55:42.000 The problem is ideologies.

01:55:44.000 The real problem is tribal thinking.

01:55:46.000 Because everyone should just embrace this and think this is really a good idea.

01:55:51.000 But the fact that it's been attached to one political party, it makes it a problem for the people in the other political party.

01:55:57.000 And that's what's nuts about us.

01:55:59.000 Even things that are universally good, that everyone should strive for.

01:56:03.000 Better health. 0.98

01:56:04.000 I've seen articles written that fucking people that go to the gym are more likely to be right wing. 0.99

01:56:10.000 What are you talking about? 0.99

01:56:11.000 Go to yoga class.

01:56:13.000 The example I can give you is one of the bills that they are putting in place is to cover GLP-1s for every American that wants it.

01:56:21.000 That's $1,500 a month right now because of what the pharmaceutical and insurance companies have done to price, gouge, and mark it up.

01:56:28.000 Shouldn't be that.

01:56:29.000 It should be under a couple hundred dollars a month.

01:56:31.000 But it's not, and it's not going to be.

01:56:33.000 And so I look at that and go, okay, for $1,500 a year, You could get the DEXA, the VO2 max.

01:56:41.000 You could be monitored with AI 24-7.

01:56:43.000 You could get, at minimal, blood work twice a year, comprehensive consult, one hour deep dive into your biologics, and we could treat the root cause of the issue.

01:56:54.000 Because I said this on Jillian's podcast with GLP-1s. 1.00

01:56:57.000 I am not against them.

01:56:59.000 I'm still a believer in them when utilized appropriately. 0.99

01:57:02.000 But prescribing a GLP-1, a weight loss drug, Without talking about diet, lifestyle, and nutrition, it's like brushing your teeth while eating fucking Oreos. 0.98

01:57:11.000 All this is true. 0.99

01:57:11.000 It just makes no sense. 0.99

01:57:12.000 All this is true.

01:57:12.000 But what I'm saying is that just the concept of getting all these things out of our food supply, making people healthy, getting people off of all these prescription drugs, making people more metabolically healthy...

01:57:25.000 We're so stupid with our tribal shit that just that concept has been pushed into the realm of right-wing. 0.99

01:57:32.000 You got it. 1.00

01:57:33.000 If you're that, you're a MAGA person, you're this, you're a fucking, you're a loon. 1.00

01:57:37.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:57:38.000 It's so dumb. 0.99

01:57:40.000 And it's the thing about going to gyms, being right-wing. 0.99

01:57:44.000 I've seen multiple articles written about going to gyms, being right-wing. 0.99

01:57:48.000 Have you ever been in a fucking yoga class? 0.99

01:57:50.000 Yoga is one of the hardest things to do. 1.00

01:57:52.000 They're some of the most left-wing motherfuckers on earth. 1.00

01:57:55.000 They're nice, kind people who bust their ass in a 90-minute hot yoga class. 1.00

01:58:00.000 That's fucking hard to do. 0.99

01:58:02.000 The challenge is your character. 0.99

01:58:03.000 The idea that the only people that exercise are right-wing... 1.00

01:58:07.000 That is so dumb. 1.00

01:58:09.000 It's so limiting and so stupid and such a ridiculous way to think. 1.00

01:58:13.000 You should want to be stronger. 1.00

01:58:16.000 Everybody should want to be stronger.

01:58:17.000 You know why?

01:58:18.000 Because it's good.

01:58:19.000 I like that I can pick things up. 0.99

01:58:21.000 I like that if someone in my house needs something open, they give it to me and I can just open that motherfucker. 0.99

01:58:26.000 I like that. 0.99

01:58:27.000 I like that I can carry things.

01:58:29.000 What gives me hope is the Democrats were in that meeting and there were Democrat senators that were interested and I don't believe that it's the Democrats.

01:58:37.000 I believe it's an agenda beyond the Democrats and it's not.

01:58:40.000 I just think people are trying to intentionally create that strife and that separation and I don't believe it's the Democratic Party.

01:58:48.000 I believe it's people attempting to hijack the Democratic Party and attempting to trivialize this message by portraying it as A political agenda rather than the facts of life of where we're at as a nation.

01:59:00.000 That's for sure the root cause of it.

01:59:02.000 But it is a thing now.

01:59:03.000 And that's the problem.

01:59:04.000 It's been effective. 0.89

01:59:05.000 It's like many other things that's effective until people wake the fuck up.

01:59:08.000 That's a thing.

01:59:09.000 You know, there's not a lot of people going out getting COVID vaccines now.

01:59:12.000 You got to be a true believer.

01:59:14.000 Yeah.

01:59:14.000 To go running out.

01:59:15.000 It doesn't mean they're not still trying to sell it.

01:59:17.000 I was watching the Beetlejuice movie the other day. 0.97

01:59:19.000 So in the beginning of the Beetlejuice movie, they play all these fucking cool previews. 0.96

01:59:23.000 Oh, that's coming out. 0.98

01:59:25.000 That looks fun. 0.99

01:59:25.000 And then they have a John Legend COVID vaccine commercial where he talks about how he says, I'll protect myself from COVID while he's fucking playing the piano. 0.99

01:59:35.000 And he like rolls down his sleeve to show you a fucking band-aid. 0.99

01:59:39.000 You're like, what did you do? 0.99

01:59:40.000 But the insanity of it is, Joe, let's even look at COVID. If we look at the people that died of COVID, it was because of chronic disease and comorbidity.

01:59:51.000 Which goes back to when we talk about it, and one of the things that's built into the new Ways to Well AI algorithm app that monitors your blood work is a calculation on your all-cause mortality risk.

02:00:02.000 The goal is to drive down all-cause mortality risk.

02:00:06.000 What people don't understand is if you're like you, a physically fit, lean muscle mass, low body fat, healthy individual...

02:00:13.000 It reduces your risk of everything that could kill you.

02:00:17.000 Everything.

02:00:17.000 A car accident, which sounds crazy, but think your body is metabolically healthy and fit.

02:00:22.000 Your chances of surviving and recovering are higher.

02:00:25.000 Oh, for sure.

02:00:26.000 So, somebody chronically ill and sick It's not... 1.00

02:00:30.000 You could throw a Diet Coke and kill them, you know? 0.96

02:00:33.000 It's not like... 0.96

02:00:35.000 They're already at a deficit, and we're trying to help people not be at a deficit.

02:00:39.000 Let's get people back to normal.

02:00:41.000 We just have to change the way people think about things.

02:00:43.000 We have to change this ridiculous idea that your healthcare provider knows everything. 1.00

02:00:49.000 They fucking don't. 1.00

02:00:50.000 Your general practitioner, he doesn't. 1.00

02:00:53.000 There's no way.

02:00:54.000 And this is one of the things that...

02:00:56.000 Casey Means talked about how little nutrition information she got in college, which is really nuts.

02:01:03.000 But that's just the fact of the matter.

02:01:04.000 That's just really what it is.

02:01:05.000 And also, most of those people are also unhealthy themselves.

02:01:09.000 We just have to stop thinking about it as a right-wing or a left-wing thing. 1.00

02:01:13.000 It's dumb. 0.99

02:01:13.000 And it's dangerous. 0.99

02:01:15.000 It's bad for you. 1.00

02:01:16.000 And I know it's hard to change your fucking... 1.00

02:01:19.000 People are like battleships. 0.99

02:01:20.000 It's hard to change course. 0.99

02:01:22.000 It's fucking hard. 0.98

02:01:23.000 It's also hard even in the system when you're separate from politics. 0.99

02:01:26.000 When you're in there, there's local politics, right?

02:01:29.000 You're in a hospital system, you're a primary care.

02:01:32.000 Man, you start writing a lot of testosterone and treating your patients, you're going to have the urology section of your hospital pissed off.

02:01:38.000 Because they're going to go, what the hell is this primary care doing this?

02:01:41.000 That's my spectrum.

02:01:42.000 Send them over to me.

02:01:43.000 Right, I could be making money off these people.

02:01:45.000 And everything is siloed in a way that it makes it hard for these clinicians to practice medicine the way they would want.

02:01:52.000 Which is why they're trying to stop telemedicine.

02:01:55.000 It's like...

02:01:56.000 It's not for you.

02:01:57.000 It's not good.

02:01:58.000 And it shouldn't be legal.

02:02:00.000 And that's where I believe in government oversight.

02:02:02.000 There should be an actual government person who can never get a job with any of these organizations.

02:02:07.000 If you agree to take this job on, you'll be well compensated, but you will never be able to work for pharmaceutical drug companies.

02:02:15.000 Ever.

02:02:16.000 Ever.

02:02:16.000 That should be a prerequisite.

02:02:17.000 Simple, like even with food.

02:02:19.000 We could overcomplicate food.

02:02:20.000 Okay, why not just say, if you don't ship it to Europe, don't ship it to Americans?

02:02:25.000 Yeah.

02:02:26.000 Duh.

02:02:27.000 How is that hard?

02:02:27.000 If we don't want to do the double-blind studies and the research, and I get it, and it's hard to do, and it's confusing, but at minimal...

02:02:34.000 We can follow the guidance of countries who have better health standards than the U.S. has today.

02:02:38.000 Just think about what you said about war.

02:02:40.000 Think about what you said about the American people, how many die from chronic disease every year.

02:02:45.000 And think about how much money we have spent on a war that we're not even in.

02:02:51.000 I mean, what was the overall, what's the latest?

02:02:54.000 Didn't they just send another few billion, a little bit here, a little bit there? 1.00

02:02:58.000 I mean, I wonder how much they set aside for those people in North Carolina and Tennessee from that hurricane, because those people are fucked. 1.00

02:03:05.000 A lot of people are dead, man. 1.00

02:03:07.000 I was reading this account.

02:03:08.000 It was a horrific account of these people, grandparents and a child that were on a roof.

02:03:15.000 And it was before the roof swept away.

02:03:17.000 The building swept away and they drowned.

02:03:19.000 But there's a photograph, the last photograph of them on the roof.

02:03:22.000 And they're terrified.

02:03:23.000 And this little girl and her grandparents are on this roof.

02:03:27.000 And the water is everywhere.

02:03:31.000 I mean, there's so many washed out streets and so many washed out bridges and the roads are gone.

02:03:38.000 Have you seen some of the aerial photographs?

02:03:40.000 I have.

02:03:40.000 It's terrible.

02:03:41.000 It's terrible.

02:03:42.000 Houses floating down the street in Asheville, North Carolina.

02:03:46.000 Just floating down the street.

02:03:48.000 And how much relief are they going to get?

02:03:52.000 Is it going to be like Maui, where you give them 700 bucks?

02:03:56.000 Which is the most...

02:03:58.000 That's more insulting than giving them no money.

02:04:00.000 A one-time fee of $700, you lost your house in the most catastrophic wildfire in the history of North America?

02:04:08.000 Are you going to give them $700 each?

02:04:10.000 Are you going to give Ukraine $170-whatever billion?

02:04:13.000 Yeah, and I heard Tulsi on here talking, and I'm like, God, man, when you look at, like...

02:04:19.000 There's a lot to gain by those people not being able to afford to stay.

02:04:23.000 That's what's scary.

02:04:23.000 They're essentially homeless.

02:04:24.000 And then they still got to pay their mortgages.

02:04:27.000 They still have to pay these bills.

02:04:28.000 They're not going to give them long-term mortgage relief.

02:04:30.000 That's very valuable land if everybody defaults.

02:04:32.000 And not only that, but the governor was on record...

02:04:36.000 Give a speech, like, right after the fire.

02:04:39.000 And one of the things they talked about was the state taking that land, which is an insane thing to do.

02:04:45.000 Was it the mayor?

02:04:46.000 Who was it that said that?

02:04:48.000 Was it the mayor or the governor?

02:04:49.000 But it was just the fact that they said it out loud is so insane in the wake of these people suffering this catastrophic loss.

02:04:57.000 They didn't even know how many people were dead at that time.

02:04:59.000 People were just missing, kids missing, burnt alive.

02:05:03.000 Who knows how many people died?

02:05:04.000 I don't even think they have an accurate count right now of how many people died.

02:05:07.000 Well, we live in a world where things change so fast.

02:05:10.000 See if you can find that.

02:05:11.000 I get how people would get overwhelming, because I try to follow it all, and that's why I stick to my niche of healthcare.

02:05:16.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:05:17.000 Because it's so much.

02:05:18.000 This is crazy.

02:05:19.000 I know.

02:05:20.000 This is crazy that they're saying, now, think about allocating that kind of money towards healthcare.

02:05:27.000 102, the death toll from the deadliest wildfire in over a century has risen to 102. Yeah, but what I asked you is, what did the governor say about acquiring the land?

02:05:37.000 Not the death toll.

02:05:38.000 Yeah.

02:05:39.000 I don't think – I think 102 is the current estimate, but I think there's a lot of people missing.

02:05:45.000 What do you know about the Ukraine?

02:05:48.000 One of the things – and again, I don't know enough to – I'm curious because I know you've interviewed a lot of smarter people than me.

02:05:57.000 I was told that one of the leverage points for the Ukraine in order to get funding was to put up land as collateral through...

02:06:06.000 Like, their farmland is put up as collateral on the loans that are being provided, and those loans are essentially being provided by these big conglomerates.

02:06:13.000 Dave Smith was explaining it to me.

02:06:15.000 I don't know.

02:06:16.000 I haven't researched it.

02:06:17.000 I haven't read anything about it, but yeah, that's what I've heard as well.

02:06:20.000 Because I always look and go, well, there's no such thing as...

02:06:24.000 Everything's biased.

02:06:25.000 No such thing as a free lunch.

02:06:26.000 So what is the real agenda and who's funding and why is always my question just from seeing other sectors and what happens.

02:06:34.000 Of course.

02:06:35.000 Always.

02:06:35.000 There's always money behind it.

02:06:37.000 Yeah.

02:06:37.000 But there's also Ukraine is one of the most mineral rich places on earth.

02:06:43.000 Like it's worth trillions of dollars and all sorts of different like groovy shit that we need to make stuff with. 0.67

02:06:50.000 Yeah. 0.58

02:06:50.000 What is what did the governor say? 0.58

02:06:56.000 I'll just go with what I have right now.

02:06:57.000 Then why don't you put it up for me?

02:06:59.000 I am.

02:06:59.000 It's up.

02:07:00.000 Oh, okay.

02:07:01.000 So this is just a...

02:07:02.000 It's the only one I've found so far.

02:07:04.000 I'm already looking for states to acquire...

02:07:07.000 Ways.

02:07:08.000 Ways for states to acquire Lahaina.

02:07:10.000 Put that in a search engine.

02:07:13.000 That's why I'm on Twitter, because it wasn't coming up in a search engine.

02:07:16.000 So, he said it in his speech, but it's not- That's crazy, too, how quick stuff can be suppressed and disappear.

02:07:21.000 I started using Brave browser recently.

02:07:24.000 I gave up on DuckDuckGo.

02:07:26.000 DuckDuckGo seems to have gone the way of Google.

02:07:27.000 It's very difficult to find things that are inconvenient.

02:07:30.000 But Brave seems to be uncensored and doesn't seem to be curated.

02:07:35.000 But after I say that, they'll probably get them, too.

02:07:39.000 I don't know who to use.

02:07:40.000 I don't know what to do anymore.

02:07:41.000 It's like, the whole thing is so bonkers.

02:07:43.000 That's where all of this gets so hard.

02:07:44.000 It's like, I want to believe there's truth in that we have somewhere where we still have integrity and honesty and transparency.

02:07:55.000 It doesn't mean you always get it right.

02:07:57.000 But even redacting the articles doesn't happen.

02:08:00.000 It's only in independent journalism now.

02:08:02.000 You get that from Michael Schellenberger, Matt Taibbi, Glenn Greenwald.

02:08:06.000 You get that from those type of people.

02:08:08.000 You don't get that from anywhere else anymore.

02:08:10.000 And it's good that we have those type of people, that they're there and they'll hold people accountable and tell you the real numbers of things and You know, and give you the facts behind what caused conflicts, not just report on the conflicts, but explain to you what happened.

02:08:24.000 A fact check I found, I think this is what he said.

02:08:27.000 He said, I'm already thinking about ways for the state to acquire that land so we could put it into workforce housing, to put it back into families, or to make it open spaces in perpetuity as memorial to people who are lost.

02:08:38.000 That is a crazy thing to say, because as soon as you say, state to acquire that land, and we'll decide the awesome things to do with it.

02:08:46.000 That's now, you took very, very, very valuable land, and you could say, hey, we're going to sell it to a resort, and the resort is going to donate to all these wonderful funds.

02:08:57.000 How many people are missing from the fire, Jamie?

02:08:58.000 Oh my god, that's so crazy. 0.99

02:09:03.000 Because the problem with fires is you need dental records and shit. 0.99

02:09:09.000 When it gets down to someone dying in an inferno... 0.98

02:09:13.000 Well, if they're missing at this point, they're gone. 0.99

02:09:15.000 I have a buddy of mine that was a firefighter, and he told me some crazy shit. 0.98

02:09:21.000 It's just going into a building with burning people in it is madness. 0.97

02:09:26.000 Okay, so a thousand people reported missing.

02:09:29.000 Whoa.

02:09:30.000 Yeah.

02:09:30.000 So this death toll.

02:09:32.000 Way off. 1.00

02:09:33.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

02:09:34.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:09:34.000 85 deaths were confirmed. 1.00

02:09:36.000 But I think the problem is when they can say 102 deaths confirmed and they don't say, but yet there's 990 people missing.

02:09:44.000 You can say that because it's very difficult to confirm who these people are.

02:09:48.000 There's not much left.

02:09:50.000 It's so scary. 0.98

02:09:51.000 Fire is so fucking scary. 0.95

02:09:53.000 And when you've been evacuated by fire, there was one time where I was coming home from the comedy store. 0.98

02:09:58.000 I got evacuated the same day.

02:10:01.000 But as I was coming home from the comedy store, as I was driving to my house, the whole right side of the highway over the tops of the hills was in flame. 0.92

02:10:11.000 Like, all the hills, like, as you get, like, woodland hills and shit, in flames. 0.96

02:10:16.000 Just in flames. 0.97

02:10:16.000 Like, fire coming over hills. 0.97

02:10:18.000 You're watching houses go up in flames.

02:10:21.000 It's such a weird feeling because that's when you realize that we all have this very naive idea.

02:10:26.000 And, by the way, people working on wildfires and those firefighters who work 24-7 and just fucking stayed alive on coffee. 0.98

02:10:35.000 And those people are fucking heroes. 0.99

02:10:37.000 Yep. 0.99

02:10:38.000 But there's not enough of them.

02:10:39.000 Okay?

02:10:40.000 When this cop told me, this firefighter rather told me when we were doing Fear Factor once, He goes, one day.

02:10:45.000 He goes, one day a fire is going to hit the right conditions with the right wind and it's going to burn through LA all the way to the ocean.

02:10:50.000 We can't do anything to stop it.

02:10:52.000 And I was like, really?

02:10:53.000 He goes, yeah, when they get real big, there's nothing you can do. 0.99

02:10:56.000 And I always thought that guy was just, that was hyperbole until I saw what happened in my fucking neighborhood. 0.99

02:11:02.000 And I was like, this is nuts, man. 0.98

02:11:04.000 Do they, I don't know enough about, do they do control burns and all that in California now to try and stop, like create stopgaps and all that for the fires?

02:11:11.000 Or how does that, how do they even do that?

02:11:13.000 What is this, Jamie?

02:11:15.000 Updated, because...

02:11:17.000 This isn't updated, though.

02:11:19.000 From the first thing I found, which was...

02:11:21.000 It says November 18th, 2023. Right, the original thing we read that said a thousand months from September, so it was 60 days before this.

02:11:29.000 Oh, September.

02:11:30.000 But I thought it was September of this year.

02:11:31.000 No.

02:11:31.000 No?

02:11:32.000 So is it still September 2022?

02:11:34.000 So it says 100 days after the Maui fires, four names remain on the missing list.

02:11:38.000 So they found a bunch of those people, is that what you're saying?

02:11:41.000 Yeah, there's currently only two.

02:11:43.000 Oh, there's only two missing?

02:11:44.000 Yeah.

02:11:45.000 Period?

02:11:45.000 I mean, I found the website that has their names listed.

02:11:49.000 Oh, so the death toll is 102?

02:11:52.000 Yeah.

02:11:53.000 So why did they say, so the death toll was elevated when they thought a thousand people were missing?

02:11:58.000 Is that what it was?

02:11:58.000 And then those people had a, there's only two people missing?

02:12:03.000 Here's what I looked up.

02:12:05.000 I typed in Maui fire people missing.

02:12:07.000 When you click on the first thing, that says how many people were missing in the Maui fire.

02:12:10.000 That's what I clicked on that you read.

02:12:12.000 The date on that.

02:12:12.000 So a thousand in 2018, September 18, 2023. Right after.

02:12:17.000 And then in November, they had narrowed it down to four people?

02:12:20.000 Yes.

02:12:21.000 Okay, go back.

02:12:23.000 What's below that?

02:12:23.000 Why are so many people still missing in Maui?

02:12:26.000 That's in September of 2023. What does it say?

02:12:31.000 They have an explanation, but I'm hoping maybe New York Magazine has an explanation that makes more sense. 1.00

02:12:42.000 Oh, you sons of bitches. 1.00

02:12:44.000 Did Maui officials release the 388 names of people unaccounted for in the Maui fire? 0.99

02:12:51.000 Click on that.

02:12:51.000 It's down to two.

02:12:52.000 It's on the website.

02:12:53.000 It has two people listed.

02:12:55.000 What it says right here is, within a day, I'm reading it, 388 names of people unaccounted for following the deadliest U.S. wildfires in more than a century.

02:13:07.000 More than 100 of them or their relatives came forward to say they're safe.

02:13:11.000 So this was in August.

02:13:13.000 So 100 of the 388 people.

02:13:15.000 So that number of 1,000 was just the initial number.

02:13:20.000 That's still crazy.

02:13:21.000 300 people.

02:13:22.000 Yeah, I think it's just saying over 1,000 were reported missing.

02:13:24.000 There's over 3,000, according to the other thing, were initially reported missing.

02:13:28.000 That means they could have found them the next day.

02:13:30.000 Right.

02:13:30.000 They could have found them two days later, three days later, hour later.

02:13:32.000 Right, or months later.

02:13:33.000 But it's also an island.

02:13:35.000 It can't be that hard to find these people.

02:13:36.000 Yeah, but you probably don't report when you're staying with relatives in Honolulu because your house burnt down in Maui.

02:13:41.000 You probably just go over there and stay there.

02:13:42.000 Self-coverage problems and all sorts of stuff.

02:13:44.000 They couldn't contact people.

02:13:46.000 Maybe.

02:13:47.000 Yeah.

02:13:47.000 You know, it's a lot of...

02:13:48.000 A lot of possibilities, I feel like.

02:13:50.000 So that's good that there was less people die, that's for sure. 0.98

02:13:53.000 But it's still fucked that they're trying to take the land. 0.95

02:13:56.000 And what they're doing is they're making it very difficult for these people to rebuild. 0.98

02:14:00.000 And most of them haven't even started yet.

02:14:02.000 Well, and then I know, too, I mean, it's taken forever for people to get their insurance claims and their money, and that happens even here with hurricanes.

02:14:19.000 Yeah, it's dark.

02:14:22.000 I had a, during a hurricane in Houston at our pharmacy, I had a tree damage the roof, but then it wasn't covered by flood insurance because they said it was wind-driven rain.

02:14:35.000 Anyways, it was like $60,000 in damage that the insurance didn't cover.

02:14:41.000 Because they could say it's wind-driven rain, not rising water.

02:14:45.000 Oh, so water damage is very specific?

02:14:48.000 Yeah, they have different ways of loop pulling out of paying your coverage.

02:14:53.000 And so for somebody who's, it's their house, you know, who maybe doesn't have the money to fight the insurance companies, they just put a tarp on the roof and live with it as long as they can until they can afford to fix it.

02:15:04.000 Oh my god. 0.99

02:15:05.000 So when you got water coverage, you thought you were getting coverage from shit like that? 0.97

02:15:09.000 Yeah, I had flood insurance, everything, and it doesn't cover it, so I got left holding the bag. 0.85

02:15:14.000 Is there tree insurance?

02:15:15.000 Can you get insurance for a tree dropping on your house?

02:15:17.000 Yeah, there is.

02:15:18.000 Did you not get that?

02:15:18.000 Yeah, there is general insurance, but I don't know how it all works.

02:15:20.000 You fucked up. 1.00

02:15:21.000 Should've got the trees. 1.00

02:15:23.000 Yeah, there's always a liability.

02:15:24.000 There's always a loophole.

02:15:28.000 Oh, God.

02:15:29.000 Insurance is a racket.

02:15:30.000 And then even in healthcare insurance, you know, like...

02:15:33.000 What isn't a racket?

02:15:34.000 Is there a thing out there that's not a racket?

02:15:36.000 I know.

02:15:37.000 Church, religion, everything's a racket.

02:15:38.000 Well, some church isn't a racket.

02:15:40.000 Some church is great.

02:15:42.000 Some church is very beneficial for people.

02:15:44.000 I think that a lot more as I'm older.

02:15:46.000 I think it's like a good...

02:15:48.000 I think Zuby said this.

02:15:50.000 I think he called it like an immune system. 0.99

02:15:53.000 It's a good immune system to protect you from the bullshit in society. 0.99

02:15:57.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:15:58.000 I think I'm paraphrasing him for sure, but I think that's accurate.

02:16:01.000 As great as we are as humans, we are tribal, like you said.

02:16:05.000 So we find...

02:16:15.000 It's insidious.

02:16:16.000 It spreads.

02:16:17.000 It's in every aspect of life.

02:16:19.000 As soon as you let people have money doing a thing and as soon as you can attach something to something that people are deeply opposed to.

02:16:26.000 Whatever Trump is for, you're against, no matter what.

02:16:31.000 You could find a thing like that that the enemy believes it.

02:16:34.000 People are so reluctant to look at real data.

02:16:39.000 Even the people that don't want murderers and rapists and drug dealers sneaking across the border, they'll find a way to say...

02:16:48.000 One of the things they like to say is...

02:16:52.000 Migrants statistically commit less crimes than people live here. 1.00

02:16:56.000 That's what they say.

02:16:57.000 They love to say that one.

02:16:58.000 But you know what that is?

02:16:59.000 You know what that's accounting for?

02:17:01.000 Gang violence.

02:17:03.000 People that are in prison.

02:17:05.000 You're looking at everybody.

02:17:07.000 Statistically, they commit less crimes.

02:17:09.000 Yeah, there's a lot less of them.

02:17:11.000 And also, we have a lot of crime. 0.99

02:17:14.000 So what the fuck are you trying to say? 0.99

02:17:15.000 It's not like the average person is out there committing all these crimes. 1.00

02:17:19.000 No, it's a very small number of people that are career criminals.

02:17:23.000 They're poor people.

02:17:24.000 They grew up in terrible environments.

02:17:26.000 They started doing crime when they were young. 0.92

02:17:28.000 They're career criminals. 0.99

02:17:29.000 There's a small percentage of those, and they fucked the numbers up. 0.99

02:17:33.000 So if you want to say that, like, migrants statistically, like, okay, okay, statistically, but statistically, that's not what we're talking about. 0.98

02:17:40.000 We're talking about there's no justification for letting in murderers. 0.99

02:17:44.000 Mark Twain, there's lies, there's damn lies, and then there's statistics. 0.99

02:17:48.000 Right. 0.99

02:17:48.000 I mean, how do they find those statistics when they say that migrants are less likely? 0.99

02:17:53.000 First of all, they're not even arresting them in some places.

02:17:56.000 Like, were they treated as sanctuary cities?

02:17:58.000 Like, people are dealing with that in Aurora, Colorado.

02:18:00.000 They're not even arresting people.

02:18:02.000 They commit crimes.

02:18:03.000 Cops will tell you they can't arrest them because it's a sanctuary city.

02:18:05.000 Yeah, in California, they don't arrest if it's under $1,300 or something.

02:18:09.000 Oh, yeah.

02:18:09.000 They just let them walk out with TVs, they just gotta make sure it's under like 1200 bucks or something.

02:18:14.000 Apparently San Francisco, according to some people that I know that are living there, is getting better because of AI. So Chamath was saying that when the super nerds are running things, everything's great.

02:18:26.000 But as soon as the mid-level people start taking over, they get through with ideology. 0.89

02:18:31.000 They get through with progressive virtue signaling, and that's how they get ahead, because they're mostly mediocre people. 0.99

02:18:37.000 And so when they start to get a grip of the city, you're kind of fucked. 0.97

02:18:41.000 But if the AI becomes the dominant force in the industry again, then the super nerds will be back in control again. 0.81

02:18:47.000 And if the super nerds are in control, they'll fix all these things. 0.99

02:18:50.000 Because it's logical. 0.96

02:18:51.000 It's logical to not have people camping on the streets and fucking shooting up in the middle of... 0.98

02:18:56.000 Like, parks and stuff.

02:18:58.000 I wonder, even with AI, like, as we get down to that, like you were talking about, it's a way more complex conversation than today, but, like, what are they gonna do with the massive displacements in jobs between AI and robotics and humanoid robots?

02:19:11.000 I mean, there's ten companies out there that are launching robots, not just Elon, and those are backed by ChatGPT and large language models that are rapidly approaching the level of human knowledge and intellect that Of the average human.

02:19:26.000 And like, it's there.

02:19:27.000 I walked by the Tesla store the other day at the Domain.

02:19:30.000 I was thinking of buying a robot.

02:19:31.000 Oh, they have them there?

02:19:32.000 They have a robot.

02:19:33.000 I don't think you could buy it.

02:19:34.000 Oh, they already have it?

02:19:35.000 If they could buy it, I'd be like, I would probably buy that robot.

02:19:37.000 I was talking to my kids like, you guys think we should get a robot?

02:19:40.000 It'd be awesome. 1.00

02:19:42.000 Would you trust that fucker? 1.00

02:19:43.000 You trust that fucker? 1.00

02:19:44.000 Russia could hack your robot. 1.00

02:19:45.000 We already have.

02:19:46.000 Everyone has Alexa in their house. 1.00

02:19:49.000 What was that one like?

02:19:50.000 I made a joke about the government.

02:19:52.000 I laughed.

02:19:53.000 Alexa laughed. 0.96

02:19:53.000 So did the FBI or whatever it is. 0.96

02:19:56.000 It's so entrenched in our world.

02:19:58.000 I don't know.

02:19:59.000 I don't know.

02:20:00.000 It is entrenched, but it's mostly illegal to use.

02:20:03.000 It's mostly illegal what they're doing.

02:20:07.000 If the FBI is really using your Wi-Fi to follow you around your house all day long, that's kind of a violation of your privacy.

02:20:14.000 Yeah.

02:20:14.000 And that's a real technology that's available now.

02:20:17.000 And it should be available if there's a situation where there's a fucking terrorist and he's in a house and he's got a suicide vest and you can use Wi-Fi to locate him and know exactly where he is and you protect all these other people. 0.87

02:20:28.000 So that's justification for having some kind of technology in the hands of some intelligence agents. 0.90

02:20:33.000 Yeah.

02:20:33.000 That makes it great.

02:20:34.000 But, you know, if you're using it to gather dirt on old Brigham, because Brigham's got a big old mouth when he's talking about the pharmaceutical drug, and, you know, you have a fucking group of people that are working to put together a dossier on you. 0.98

02:20:45.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:20:46.000 It's all nuts, man.

02:20:48.000 It's nuts, and it's, like, right out in the open.

02:20:51.000 Well, with the AI and the way things are headed, too, though, like, when we talk about displacement of jobs, so many people think it's going to be, like...

02:20:59.000 Trade workers.

02:21:00.000 And I'm like, no, this is going to replace clinicians.

02:21:02.000 This is going to replace doctors, lawyers, you know, a lot of...

02:21:07.000 Dude, a lot of things.

02:21:09.000 A lot.

02:21:09.000 We're going to need universal basic income according to most people who understand economics.

02:21:14.000 I don't know if they're right, but it makes sense to me.

02:21:17.000 Universal basic income scares me because incentivizing people to not work scares me.

02:21:23.000 You know, giving people an excuse to not...

02:21:25.000 It's bad for people.

02:21:26.000 It just is.

02:21:27.000 It's bad for kids. 0.99

02:21:28.000 If you just give your kids everything they want and they never learn how to work hard, you're fucking them up. 0.82

02:21:33.000 And the problem with just giving people a check, they're not going to want to...

02:21:37.000 You get enough to eat and you have recreation money and you have a roof over your head and you don't have to work at all.

02:21:44.000 Like in working for like a little bit more than that, and then you lose those benefits? 1.00

02:21:48.000 Fuck that! 0.99

02:21:49.000 I would rather like pare down my lifestyle. 1.00

02:21:52.000 I say this, you also need a purpose.

02:21:54.000 Like in Viktor Frankl's A Man's Search for Meaning, he survived that Nazi concentration camp because he had a purpose, a higher calling.

02:22:01.000 I can tell you, when I'm just eating shit sandwiches and getting my head stomped in, right now running these companies, over 300 employees, DEA, FDA, You know, fighting big pharma, all the things we battle.

02:22:15.000 There are a lot of days I go to bed with anxiety and stress, but I go to bed feeling like I'm really on the right side of something positive. 0.98

02:22:23.000 I really, truly do.

02:22:24.000 When I was a device rep, I made good money.

02:22:28.000 But I went to bed miserable every night, and I felt like I'm just kind of a pawn and a scheme, and we're not really making an impact.

02:22:35.000 So I go back to, I think people, humans, we need a purpose.

02:22:39.000 And so that scares me the most, is a lot of people's purpose, if it's not being a mother or a father or a sibling, they find purpose in their trade and their craft and their job.

02:22:51.000 Right.

02:22:51.000 Their cause.

02:22:52.000 So what do we do when— That's a really good question.

02:22:56.000 If you wanted to look at it long term, if you're being objective and not taking into account human emotions and suffering and the disruption of lives that it's undeniably going to cause, if you just wanted to look at us objectively, you would say this is an inevitable transition,

02:23:11.000 a very painful transition into a technological world.

02:23:14.000 And human beings are going to have to adapt.

02:23:16.000 And if this was available to them when they were babies, they would have adapted to exist in that world.

02:23:23.000 They would have found things to do for a living that only humans can do.

02:23:27.000 Because they're very personal things that only humans can do.

02:23:30.000 There's always going to be a market for handmade things.

02:23:33.000 There's always going to be a market for...

02:23:34.000 I like a painting that I know the guy who made it.

02:23:36.000 Yeah.

02:23:37.000 You know what I mean?

02:23:38.000 I love that.

02:23:39.000 I love that.

02:23:39.000 I look at that painting up there.

02:23:42.000 My friend Taylor made that.

02:23:44.000 I know him.

02:23:45.000 I hung out with a dude.

02:23:46.000 That's Mitzi, right?

02:23:47.000 That's Mitzi. 0.80

02:23:47.000 But there's a big thing that Taylor made that, and he's my friend. 0.80

02:23:50.000 I know him.

02:23:51.000 That's a piece of him.

02:23:52.000 Yeah, you have some of the coolest art in your studio and at the club.

02:23:56.000 I love art.

02:23:57.000 Super cool art.

02:23:58.000 Art's amazing.

02:23:59.000 I love it.

02:24:00.000 It makes me feel different.

02:24:02.000 When I'm looking at something that someone made...

02:24:05.000 It makes me feel better.

02:24:06.000 When I see your Greg Overton stuff, it's like you're looking...

02:24:11.000 It is insane, the detail.

02:24:14.000 It's incredible.

02:24:15.000 It's crazy.

02:24:15.000 It's the only thing I'm allowed to have in my house.

02:24:19.000 I'm not allowed to decorate my house. 1.00

02:24:21.000 Because it would look like a fucking baby's house. 1.00

02:24:25.000 It would look like a man-baby. 1.00

02:24:26.000 It would all be like toys everywhere.

02:24:28.000 I'm not allowed to decorate my house.

02:24:29.000 But I do have three Greg Overton paintings.

02:24:33.000 Yeah.

02:24:34.000 Everything else, my wife figured everything else out.

02:24:36.000 I just go, go ahead, just give me a little space.

02:24:38.000 Give me a little something.

02:24:39.000 I got an elk head in the kitchen, in the dining table, over the dining table.

02:24:43.000 First elk I shot with a bow.

02:24:45.000 But it's not like the stuff kind, it's just the skull.

02:24:47.000 Yeah, you just do the European mouth. 0.62

02:24:48.000 That's what I like.

02:24:49.000 Do you have any taxidermy?

02:24:50.000 No, no, I don't.

02:24:51.000 Taxidermy, that's dolls.

02:24:53.000 Yeah.

02:24:54.000 You know, that's what that is.

02:24:55.000 My friend Tyler does it.

02:24:56.000 You know, I love Tyler from Archery Country.

02:24:58.000 Yeah.

02:24:58.000 He makes taxidermy.

02:24:59.000 Taxidermy's an art film.

02:25:00.000 I think they look like when you go to, you know, one of these lodges where they have like entire scenes.

02:25:07.000 Like I saw one, the guy on the second story of his house, like has a kudu drinking out of water and it's literally a crocodile coming up.

02:25:17.000 I mean, it's wild.

02:25:18.000 Yeah, especially in Texas.

02:25:21.000 My friend told me that he went over to this guy's house and the guy had a stuffed chimpanzee. 0.99

02:25:26.000 And the chimpanzee, when you got near him, it was like rigged where his eyes would light up and his dick would pop up. 0.97

02:25:36.000 You know how you walk by those haunted house things? 0.99

02:25:40.000 You walk by him, his eyes light up and his dick pops up. 1.00

02:25:43.000 Because of you, we watched... 1.00

02:25:44.000 What was the Chimp... 1.00

02:25:45.000 Oh, Chimp Crazy? 1.00

02:25:46.000 Oh my god.

02:25:47.000 Oh my god.

02:25:48.000 It's insane.

02:25:49.000 Insane.

02:25:50.000 It's nuts. 1.00

02:25:51.000 These people are out of their fucking mind. 1.00

02:25:53.000 And it's weird because it's the same as Tiger King in a way like... 1.00

02:25:57.000 It's the same personality quirk.

02:26:00.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:26:01.000 It's this weird personality quirk.

02:26:04.000 When you watch it, you'll see.

02:26:05.000 Some of the, I don't want to say mental health issues, but some of the traumas or whatever they are are the same. 0.99

02:26:11.000 They're mentally ill people, yeah. 0.99

02:26:13.000 They're mentally ill, crazy people who have giant primates that live in their house in cages. 1.00

02:26:19.000 And everyone's face gets ripped off. 1.00

02:26:21.000 Oh, yeah.

02:26:21.000 They all take their noses off.

02:26:23.000 Oh, my God.

02:26:24.000 Yeah.

02:26:24.000 They rip their eyes out.

02:26:26.000 Yeah, it's nuts.

02:26:27.000 And for the first four or five years, the monkey gets to go everywhere.

02:26:30.000 So the chimp gets to go to the pizza place. 0.99

02:26:32.000 Everybody loves them.

02:26:33.000 Chimp gets to go here. 0.79

02:26:34.000 But then they get a little older, and now they're in a cage all day.

02:26:36.000 Yeah.

02:26:37.000 So they used to be free.

02:26:38.000 They used to go to the town.

02:26:39.000 Everybody was their friend. 1.00

02:26:40.000 Now, all of a sudden, they're in a fucking cage. 1.00

02:26:42.000 And when they get out of that cage, they... 1.00

02:26:43.000 Fuck people up. 1.00

02:26:45.000 They're so mad. 1.00

02:26:46.000 Well, and then they have that hormone dump. 1.00

02:26:47.000 I think they were saying the male primates are like five or six years old, so they become really hard to domesticate or keep as a pet because they get violent.

02:26:55.000 I mean, that's their way of communicating.

02:26:57.000 They castrate them.

02:26:58.000 That's why that lady's 15-year-old, she can hang out with it and watch 2001. That's a castrated 15-year-old chimpanzee. 1.00

02:27:04.000 That's why it's so skinny, too.

02:27:06.000 It looks like Michael Jackson.

02:27:07.000 Skinny. 0.56

02:27:08.000 The other ones look jacked, you know? 0.65

02:27:10.000 They look like Mike Tyson is prime.

02:27:13.000 The kind of musculature they have.

02:27:15.000 I haven't messaged Tony about it yet, but the Vince McMahon.

02:27:19.000 What do you mean?

02:27:19.000 They just dropped the Vince McMahon docuseries on Netflix.

02:27:23.000 Oh, it's not about chimpanzees.

02:27:25.000 No, no.

02:27:27.000 This is a new Netflix one about Vince McMahon and the WWE. It's pretty intense.

02:27:31.000 No, I haven't seen it, man.

02:27:32.000 Speaking of muscles. 1.00

02:27:33.000 He was doing some wild shit. 1.00

02:27:34.000 Of course he was. 1.00

02:27:35.000 Right.

02:27:35.000 I mean, when you're that jacked in your 70s, what are you on?

02:27:39.000 Yeah.

02:27:40.000 Like, what do you want to be that jacked in your 70s?

02:27:42.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:27:43.000 The guy's probably out of his fucking mind and partying. 1.00

02:27:46.000 Did he really shit on someone's head? 1.00

02:27:47.000 Is that real? 0.99

02:27:48.000 I'm only on the second episode, but they're getting into...

02:27:51.000 There was some weird stuff.

02:27:54.000 They were even bringing in little kids, going down that Epstein path. 0.93

02:27:59.000 They talk about that.

02:28:02.000 Teenage boys.

02:28:03.000 Kids, though.

02:28:03.000 15, 16-year-old kids working crews and stuff that were being utilized sexually and exploited.

02:28:10.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

02:28:11.000 Yeah, there's a lot of sinister stuff in there.

02:28:13.000 I don't know how much...

02:28:14.000 These are just allegations.

02:28:15.000 Yeah, it's all allegations and whistleblowers.

02:28:18.000 I mean, who knows?

02:28:20.000 You never know anymore. 0.98

02:28:22.000 Imagine how much liberty you have to take with the truth if you make up a story about someone shitting in your head.

02:28:28.000 I feel like, you know what, whatever happened, not bad enough. 1.00

02:28:33.000 I want shit on my head. 1.00

02:28:35.000 Let's say shit on my head. 1.00

02:28:36.000 But to make that up, that's such an insane thing. 1.00

02:28:40.000 But when you look at Vince McMahon, you go, I bet he did that.

02:28:44.000 I bet he did it. 0.99

02:28:45.000 He looks like he's insane. 1.00

02:28:46.000 He's fucking jacked. 0.99

02:28:48.000 But you also live in that imaginary world where you've created this character and then at what point does the character become you when you've done it for 30, 40 years, whatever it was? 1.00

02:28:58.000 Right.

02:28:59.000 Because he grew up.

02:29:00.000 His dad founded it and he was integral into the storylines and then became...

02:29:05.000 Like his character was the pompous Vince McMahon.

02:29:08.000 Right.

02:29:09.000 Elitist.

02:29:09.000 Like that was his whole character.

02:29:11.000 That was his shtick.

02:29:12.000 So did that bleed into life?

02:29:14.000 Does reality become- Oh, it definitely does to people.

02:29:16.000 Fiction become reality?

02:29:17.000 For sure.

02:29:18.000 It must.

02:29:19.000 It has to.

02:29:20.000 I know it does with comedians.

02:29:22.000 Yeah.

02:29:22.000 Comedians like become their character.

02:29:23.000 Like Andrew Dice Clay used to be Andrew Silverstein.

02:29:26.000 Dice was a character they used to do in his act.

02:29:29.000 And then it just became him.

02:29:30.000 Yeah.

02:29:30.000 You know?

02:29:31.000 And, like, Sam Kinison, same thing.

02:29:32.000 Like, Sam Kinison became the beast, because that's what everybody wanted.

02:29:35.000 He was, like, captured by it.

02:29:37.000 He became that guy.

02:29:38.000 Yeah.

02:29:39.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:29:39.000 If you're Vince McMahon, and, like, your whole thing is, fuck you, I run this game. 1.00

02:29:43.000 You're all out of your fucking mind. 1.00

02:29:45.000 I'm gonna shit in your head. 1.00

02:29:47.000 We just pushed it to the limit. 1.00

02:29:49.000 Plus, you add in a lot of recreational substances, which I'm sure there was plenty of.

02:29:54.000 What did it say about that?

02:29:55.000 They haven't gotten into that.

02:29:57.000 By the second episode, they're talking about steroid use, and they're definitely...

02:30:01.000 I didn't know that they indicted him for...

02:30:04.000 Selling steroids to his athletes.

02:30:06.000 I mean a lot of crazy stuff.

02:30:07.000 Oh really?

02:30:07.000 I didn't know that either.

02:30:08.000 Yeah, they tried to indict him and he fought it.

02:30:10.000 I think he got off.

02:30:11.000 Have you ever seen any of the More Plates, More Dates videos about Tren?

02:30:16.000 No, from Derek.

02:30:17.000 I've watched Derek.

02:30:18.000 I love his coverage.

02:30:20.000 He's so smart.

02:30:20.000 He breaks stuff down so eloquently.

02:30:22.000 But there's so much talk about Tren For whatever reason.

02:30:26.000 And sexual deviants. 0.99

02:30:28.000 Like guys who turn gay when they're doing Tren. 1.00

02:30:31.000 These guys are taking crazy doses of this super powerful steroid. 1.00

02:30:37.000 And they're just doing wild fucking things. 0.99

02:30:40.000 They get Tren cough. 0.99

02:30:41.000 They get like a crazy cough. 1.00

02:30:43.000 And just out of their fucking mind. 1.00

02:30:45.000 Just deviant. 1.00

02:30:47.000 It's crazy.

02:30:50.000 It's such a short-term...

02:30:52.000 There's so many bad things that can happen there.

02:30:54.000 It is crazy to me that athletes are using that. 0.99

02:30:56.000 But if you want a career in pro wrestling, and you want to be a fucking animal, and you want to get hit by a chair every night, like you're traveling across the country, probably a good drug. 0.99

02:31:04.000 They are some of the most banged... 0.99

02:31:06.000 Like, God, man, we've...

02:31:08.000 We've had the opportunity to work with several big WWE wrestlers and they have put their bodies through hell. 0.99

02:31:15.000 For, I mean, I would say even more than jujitsu and MMA guys and NFL guys, out of everybody we've worked with, the wrestlers are the most beat to shit. 0.99

02:31:24.000 You know who's not beat to shit? 0.99

02:31:25.000 The Rock. 1.00

02:31:26.000 Isn't that crazy? 0.99

02:31:27.000 I mean, he's got his little injuries and shit like that, but the guy looks like a fucking superhero. 0.99

02:31:30.000 He's 50 years old. 1.00

02:31:32.000 Insane.

02:31:32.000 He's been through, like, how many years at WWE? Also played football?

02:31:35.000 And look at him.

02:31:36.000 He's fine.

02:31:36.000 Yeah.

02:31:37.000 It's nuts.

02:31:37.000 He's an anomaly.

02:31:38.000 The most anomalous of anomalies.

02:31:40.000 Because all those other guys that I met, Jake the Snake... 0.99

02:31:43.000 I mean, Hulk Hogan's fucked, man. 1.00

02:31:45.000 His back's fucked. 1.00

02:31:46.000 He's got to walk with a cane. 1.00

02:31:47.000 He's all banged up.

02:31:48.000 And you see him shrinking.

02:31:49.000 Well, his back's all fused.

02:31:50.000 Literally, they're shorter and smaller than they were from all the back and spine surgeries.

02:31:54.000 He's lost like four inches.

02:31:55.000 So four inches of spine being compressed.

02:31:58.000 So nuts.

02:31:58.000 It's so crazy, man.

02:32:00.000 And he said it was from that drop.

02:32:01.000 Boom! 0.99

02:32:02.000 We would do that all the time.

02:32:03.000 Every time he did it, he's compressing his spine.

02:32:05.000 Yeah.

02:32:05.000 Just ruined his back doing that.

02:32:07.000 Yeah, it's scary.

02:32:09.000 Speaking of someone who looks like a chimp, how about Brock Lesnar? 1.00

02:32:12.000 When he flipped through the air and landed on his head?

02:32:14.000 Yeah. 0.77

02:32:14.000 Brock Lesnar looked like a shaved chimp. 0.77

02:32:16.000 Like, if you see a shaved chimp, like, that's... 1.00

02:32:19.000 Have you seen his daughter?

02:32:20.000 Except he's too wide.

02:32:22.000 She's a wrestler, too? 1.00

02:32:23.000 Like, a collegiate wrestler?

02:32:24.000 Yeah, she's jacked. 0.99

02:32:24.000 She's jacked. 0.99

02:32:25.000 Jeans, son.

02:32:25.000 They're real.

02:32:26.000 That's Viking jeans.

02:32:28.000 That was in a boat.

02:32:29.000 Yeah.

02:32:30.000 Pulling into the harbor.

02:32:31.000 Can you imagine being back there like half starving and Brock Lesnar gets off a boat walking onto your land?

02:32:38.000 Yeah, you're barely alive anyway.

02:32:40.000 And you see that guy get off a boat with a sword?

02:32:42.000 Yeah.

02:32:42.000 That's what the Vikings were.

02:32:43.000 I think of that Shane Gillis joke.

02:32:45.000 Oh, yeah.

02:32:47.000 That's a great joke.

02:32:48.000 But they did do a lot of that, too. 0.99

02:32:51.000 They raped everybody. 1.00

02:32:52.000 The Vikings were unbelievably brutal. 1.00

02:32:55.000 And they did a lot of drugs, too, apparently.

02:32:57.000 Yeah, they were doing psychedelics and human sacrifices and all sorts of stuff.

02:33:01.000 Yeah, they would sacrifice people.

02:33:02.000 Did you ever see that show, Vikings?

02:33:04.000 Oh, loved it.

02:33:05.000 Yeah, Ragnar, Lothbrok, and, like, Lagertha. 0.99

02:33:08.000 Great fucking show. 0.99

02:33:08.000 Yeah, it was so good. 0.99

02:33:10.000 Great show.

02:33:11.000 My wife bailed on it after a while.

02:33:12.000 She couldn't deal with everybody getting hacked to death by swords.

02:33:14.000 Like, after a while, like, okay.

02:33:17.000 Yeah.

02:33:17.000 Stop.

02:33:17.000 As you got into late, I don't know how far you followed it through, but it went into Ivar the Boneless.

02:33:21.000 But all these are historical figures.

02:33:23.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:33:24.000 And there's truth, like, it's fictional, what is it, fictional history or whatever it is, but it is based in some truth, which is fascinating.

02:33:32.000 Oh yeah, the actual things that they did, they really did.

02:33:35.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:33:36.000 Which is just, they were so nuts, man. 0.70

02:33:38.000 But there's been so many instances like that in history of like groups of unbelievable savages that accomplished insane things just by pure barbarism and slaughter of innocent people. 0.80

02:33:53.000 Yeah.

02:33:54.000 Like the Mongols. 0.98

02:33:55.000 I was watching something about Mongolia today.

02:33:58.000 There was these guys who were fitness influencers went to go experience these Mongolian wrestlers. 0.99

02:34:06.000 And these Mongolian wrestlers are like these giants of Mongolia, these fucking tanks. 0.94

02:34:11.000 These dudes are throwing each other around and they got to eat food with them and hang out with them and experience it. 0.98

02:34:16.000 That's what's left over.

02:34:17.000 Did you ever watch Marco Polo?

02:34:19.000 No.

02:34:19.000 I watched a little bit of it.

02:34:20.000 I watched the beginning of it.

02:34:21.000 I don't know what happened.

02:34:22.000 It was really, really good at Genghis Khan. 0.97

02:34:26.000 I think you've talked about it.

02:34:27.000 Isn't it one eighth of the world's population?

02:34:30.000 Ten percent.

02:34:30.000 I think he was dealing with Genghis Khan's son.

02:34:33.000 That's insane.

02:34:34.000 I think he was dealing with Genghis Khan's son.

02:34:35.000 The Empire was already in decline by that time.

02:34:38.000 You know, it's like once Genghis Khan died, his sons took over, his family took over, and then it kind of fell apart after a while. 1.00

02:34:44.000 Because you need a fucking psycho. 1.00

02:34:46.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:34:47.000 You need a guy who's got DNA. And what was the number, Jamie, when we last looked at, like, what percentage of the population in Asia has Genghis Khan's DNA? It's something nuts. 0.65

02:34:56.000 Like, 5% of everybody. 0.99

02:34:58.000 Like, still has this fucking guy who lived in, what, 1200? 0.98

02:35:04.000 When did Genghis Khan live? 0.99

02:35:06.000 I think it was 1200. Yeah.

02:35:07.000 So all these years later, this dude has 5%.

02:35:12.000 Wasn't it?

02:35:13.000 Was it you and I that were talking about?

02:35:14.000 If you go back to ancient Mesopotamia, it's only like 50-something humans ago if you base it off people living to be 100. It's nothing.

02:35:23.000 It's nothing.

02:35:24.000 Okay, it's more than that.

02:35:26.000 It's 5% of the male population.

02:35:29.000 0.5% of the male population worldwide.

02:35:33.000 Half percent.

02:35:34.000 Right, not five percent.

02:35:35.000 Worldwide.

02:35:36.000 But what is it in Asia?

02:35:37.000 That is still crazy.

02:35:39.000 0.5% of the male population worldwide.

02:35:41.000 But what is it in Asia?

02:35:42.000 In Asia, I think it's nuts. 1.00

02:35:47.000 Is that what it says?

02:35:48.000 Okay.

02:35:49.000 Eight percent.

02:35:52.000 That's nuts.

02:35:53.000 So 750 years of Genghis Khan's heritage, this mutation occurred in 8% of males in 16 different populations that were being studied.

02:36:02.000 So one half of a percent of everyone on Earth...

02:36:05.000 8% of people that live there.

02:36:07.000 That is insane.

02:36:08.000 So what was it like when he was alive? 0.99

02:36:10.000 Was everybody fucking their cousin? 0.99

02:36:12.000 Because you couldn't help it? 1.00

02:36:14.000 Because Genghis Khan fucked everybody? 0.99

02:36:16.000 So when they would conquer a town, he would take everyone's wife. 1.00

02:36:19.000 He would just kill all the men, fuck all the ladies, they all became his wives. 1.00

02:36:24.000 And he just did that everywhere he went. 1.00

02:36:26.000 They did that in Ireland, too.

02:36:29.000 The British royalty or aristocrats would impregnate the Irishmen on the night of their wedding.

02:36:37.000 They would impregnate their wives. 0.98

02:36:38.000 Oh, Jesus.

02:36:39.000 That's what Braveheart was about.

02:36:42.000 He came back, and I'm blanking out on his name, but fought for the Irish because they were basically raping their wives and making sure that they were raising British noble-born instead of Irish people. 0.85

02:36:53.000 I just listened to a book on this.

02:36:54.000 It's one of the myths that come from that.

02:36:57.000 Not that it never happened, but they said that it didn't really happen.

02:37:01.000 Jamie's a party pooper.

02:37:02.000 Y'all notice that?

02:37:04.000 They were going through Spock Jack and Jamie.

02:37:06.000 It was a great courses on Audible.

02:37:07.000 It was going through all the rest of the time period.

02:37:09.000 They didn't really get into in the movie, but when we did Europe, we did a tour where they were breaking down how bad they tortured him and mutilated him in a public setting prior to killing him.

02:37:20.000 William Laws?

02:37:21.000 Oh my god, it's brutal.

02:37:25.000 What's the myth aspect of it? 0.76

02:37:27.000 Oh, about that they raped the peasants' wives or whatever on their wedding days? 0.86

02:37:33.000 There might have been one king or a couple aristocratic-type people that might have been dickheads and did it, but it wasn't a thing that happened. 0.89

02:37:41.000 Regularly?

02:37:42.000 Yeah.

02:37:43.000 So it wasn't a pandemic of rape.

02:37:45.000 Right.

02:37:46.000 There was a lot of raping going on. 0.97

02:37:47.000 I mean, if you go back long enough, it's all rape. 0.98

02:37:52.000 Yeah.

02:37:53.000 How far do you have to go back in human history?

02:37:55.000 Was there any cave people that were male feminists? 1.00

02:38:00.000 They were barbaric. 0.99

02:38:02.000 They killed each other. 0.98

02:38:03.000 They stole wives. 0.95

02:38:04.000 I remember reading this book about Comanche where they were talking about this one Comanche warrior who wanted this other Comanche's wife So he killed the guy and ate a piece of his heart and then took his wife.

02:38:18.000 Like, that was humans.

02:38:19.000 That's what humans did.

02:38:20.000 I know you had him on, but Empire of the Summer Moon, I'm so excited for that to come out as a series.

02:38:29.000 Who's directing it?

02:38:30.000 Is that Taylor Sheridan?

02:38:32.000 Yeah, Taylor Sheridan.

02:38:32.000 And if they do it, and Taylor's gonna do it by the book.

02:38:36.000 I know Taylor.

02:38:37.000 He'll do it by the book.

02:38:38.000 By the way, he's got a great steakhouse he just opened up in Vegas.

02:38:41.000 The Four Sixes, Four Six Steakhouse.

02:38:44.000 I think it's like a pop-up right now, but we ate at it last time we were in Vegas. 0.98

02:38:48.000 It's fucking great. 0.98

02:38:48.000 It's all meat from his ranch. 0.98

02:38:50.000 What a cool guy.

02:38:52.000 Cool guy.

02:38:52.000 Got his own ranch, makes a steakhouse, supplies the meat.

02:38:57.000 It's fucking incredible. 0.98

02:38:58.000 He's brilliant. 0.99

02:38:58.000 And then he also leases the horses and the livestock and all of that to Paramount. 0.99

02:39:03.000 Oh, that's smart.

02:39:04.000 Yeah, and his ranch he leases to Paramount, which is brilliant because he is a real cowboy with real cowboys that he...

02:39:09.000 And I also love that he casts real cowboys into the subsidiary roles or the supporting roles of the shows.

02:39:16.000 Dude, he's a cowboy at a ranch a friend of mine works at in California.

02:39:20.000 Oh, really?

02:39:21.000 Yeah.

02:39:21.000 He, like, did real cowboy work.

02:39:24.000 Before he ever made it in show business.

02:39:25.000 Well, if you watch him on a horse when he's doing all his crazy horse stuff, I mean, it's wild how awesome his horses are that he's trained.

02:39:33.000 He's a great podcast guest, too.

02:39:35.000 Very interesting guy. 0.99

02:39:36.000 Super fucking smart. 0.99

02:39:37.000 And those shows, all the Yellowstone shows, are fucking incredible. 0.99

02:39:41.000 And the new ones are the best ones. 0.98

02:39:43.000 If you go from Yellowstone was great, and then there was 1883 was great, and then the last one, the 1923, the Harrison Ford one, that's fucking great. 0.96

02:39:53.000 They're all great. 0.95

02:39:54.000 They just get better.

02:39:55.000 I think 1883 is the most recent, and that's my favorite.

02:39:58.000 That's the one when the family was making a cross.

02:40:01.000 I love because it shows how...

02:40:04.000 It just shows the reality of how hard life was.

02:40:06.000 I mean, it was brutal for everyone.

02:40:08.000 For everyone there.

02:40:10.000 Like, God, it was brutal times.

02:40:12.000 Unbelievable.

02:40:12.000 And so accurate.

02:40:14.000 Like, so accurate as to how people died and what they dealt with. 1.00

02:40:19.000 Fuck, man, people falling off wagons, getting run over by the wheels, that kind of shit. 1.00

02:40:23.000 That's why if you've ever played Oregon Trail in elementary school, that's what they had when I was in elementary school, I would always die of syphilis or dysentery. 1.00

02:40:31.000 I would never survive.

02:40:32.000 Dysentery or, what was it?

02:40:34.000 Dysentery or you get killed by Indians or whatever it is. 1.00

02:40:37.000 But you look at how statistically unlikely it is that we're all here.

02:40:41.000 And I gotta believe it's for a reason.

02:40:43.000 We gotta be here for something, right?

02:40:46.000 We gotta be...

02:40:47.000 And I don't want us to squander it.

02:40:49.000 Well, at the very least, if we're not here for something, at the very least, we can maximize our time here.

02:40:54.000 You know, one of the things, the reason why this is very important to me is everything I do, I need energy.

02:41:01.000 Everything I do.

02:41:02.000 I need a lot of energy.

02:41:04.000 I need a lot of energy to do stand-up.

02:41:05.000 I need a lot of energy to do jujitsu.

02:41:07.000 I need a lot of energy to do archery.

02:41:09.000 I need a lot of energy to do podcasts.

02:41:11.000 I need a lot of energy to do UFC shows.

02:41:13.000 If you're weak and tired, you won't be as good at anything you do.

02:41:17.000 Anything you do.

02:41:18.000 And the one thing that you have control over...

02:41:21.000 If you're a person who takes care of your diet and exercise, the one thing that you're going to have control over is you will be able to give your vehicle more energy.

02:41:31.000 That's real.

02:41:32.000 If you really do the right things in terms of with your health, you rest accordingly, eat the right foods, take vitamins, work out, People say so often that eating healthy, working out, it's expensive, it takes time, but being chronically ill is way more expensive.

02:41:49.000 It takes way more time.

02:41:50.000 And you have to choose your heart, but there is no path that's just going to be a cakewalk. 0.99

02:41:56.000 You don't even need a fucking gym. 0.96

02:41:57.000 If you have a YouTube account and a laptop, you can watch yoga videos and you can do them at home. 0.99

02:42:03.000 If you get one 35-pound kettlebell, my friend Keith Weber, he's got this Extreme Kettlebell Cardio Series.

02:42:09.000 He's got a bunch of different ones that you can do, but there's a few of them that are online.

02:42:13.000 And I did one the other day. 0.98

02:42:14.000 It was fucking brutal. 0.99

02:42:16.000 35-pound kettlebell. 1.00

02:42:17.000 Mm-hmm.

02:42:17.000 It doesn't cost anything to get one of those things.

02:42:19.000 How much is a 35 pound kettlebell?

02:42:21.000 You get it once, you never have to buy another one. 0.99

02:42:23.000 And me, after all the years of using kettlebells, I still can get a fucking ass kicking workout with one 35 pound kettlebell. 0.98

02:42:32.000 And if you think you can't, follow that YouTube video and try. 0.98

02:42:35.000 Just give it a try.

02:42:36.000 Even walking.

02:42:37.000 Casey has a stat she'll drop on you.

02:42:39.000 I don't remember the numbers, so I won't even attempt, but just walking a few days a week.

02:42:44.000 Especially after food.

02:42:45.000 It's insane, the difference in all-cause mortality risk and reduction in chronic disease.

02:42:50.000 Yeah, you've got to move around.

02:42:51.000 Otherwise, your body's feeble.

02:42:52.000 If your body's feeble, it's not going to be able to handle diseases.

02:42:55.000 It's not going to be able to handle injuries.

02:42:57.000 How many people die by falling down because they're older?

02:43:00.000 You know, this is something that Peter Attia talks about quite a lot, is that it's very important for older people to lift weights.

02:43:05.000 You know, not for vanity, but to be able to protect yourself from falling.

02:43:09.000 If you're falling and you're feeble, you can't do anything to stop the fall, you know?

02:43:14.000 Yeah, after the age, I think it's after the age of 65, one of your greatest risk factors is a fracture.

02:43:19.000 If you fracture a hip or a vertebrae, you have between a 15 and 35 percent chance of being dead within a year.

02:43:25.000 Oh my God.

02:43:26.000 It's one of the greatest risk factors.

02:43:28.000 And think about it because your body has to recover and rebuild and you don't have all the health and youth that you had in your earlier years.

02:43:36.000 But surgery from older people is rough too.

02:43:38.000 So if you stay active and keep muscle and keep bone mineral density and get proactive and all the things we've talked about.

02:43:43.000 If we start monitoring your bone mineral density in your 20s to your 30s to your 40s, We know your family history.

02:43:50.000 You're a petite girl.

02:43:51.000 You're going to experience a decline in bone mineral density.

02:43:54.000 We've got to get ahead of that.

02:43:56.000 One of the things they did that ruined that for so many women was the Women's Health Initiative, scaring them out of hormone optimization for women. 1.00

02:44:03.000 And it terrified women, telling them that it was going to cause cancer and all these things, which ends up being the opposite.

02:44:22.000 Oh, my God.

02:44:29.000 And so it's hard because they do say trust the science, and I'm not telling people don't trust the science.

02:44:34.000 Trust but verify.

02:44:36.000 Let's keep honest people honest.

02:44:38.000 But the problem is that science is very difficult to verify, especially science that's given to you by the pharmaceutical drug companies.

02:44:44.000 Because one of the things, was it John Abramson who's litigated these cases against pharmaceutical drug companies?

02:44:50.000 One of the things that he was saying is that he was part of the Vioxx thing.

02:44:54.000 That when you get the peer-reviewed data, you don't get access to the data, you get access to the review of the data.

02:45:01.000 And you also don't get access to all the studies that they did that didn't show a positive.

02:45:05.000 I'm sure you saw that Steven Crowder thing where he caught that COVID czar guy.

02:45:10.000 Yes.

02:45:11.000 Yes.

02:45:11.000 Yeah, the video.

02:45:12.000 When he was talking about monkeypox.

02:45:14.000 Yes.

02:45:14.000 The monkeypox drug.

02:45:15.000 That's nuts.

02:45:15.000 That he was intentionally saying that he was being funded to say those things.

02:45:20.000 Yes.

02:45:20.000 And mislead the public.

02:45:22.000 That they were trying to sell more of those drugs.

02:45:24.000 And that the reality is most people aren't going to get monkeypox. 1.00

02:45:26.000 It's like you have to get it from gay sex. 1.00

02:45:28.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:45:28.000 Sorry. 1.00

02:45:29.000 Well, and it makes total sense because, again, not to say – when you're in it, you think you're doing right.

02:45:36.000 I don't think that people are out there trying to harm humanity.

02:45:38.000 I don't.

02:45:39.000 I really want to hope that's not the case.

02:45:41.000 But when I was a drug rep at 22 and you bring in a thought leader from Harvard that tells me all the ways that they're using this brilliant mental health drug off-label – And then you put tremendous pressure and give me an expense account and send me out to drinks with a doctor.

02:45:56.000 And I'm sitting there and the doctor's like, where else can I use this drug?

02:45:59.000 You're like, do I tell him what that guy from Harvard told me?

02:46:03.000 Because I also signed a contract that said I wouldn't, but then the company taught me all that and put me in this environment.

02:46:10.000 And it's like a wink, wink, nod, nod.

02:46:12.000 And the pressure is to grow the patient population on a drug.

02:46:15.000 That's why GLP-1s went from being for diabetic, obese people to now let's help people lose weight for spring break.

02:46:22.000 Real quick.

02:46:23.000 Fast.

02:46:23.000 Real quick.

02:46:24.000 And it got accepted fast.

02:46:26.000 That's what's scary.

02:46:27.000 And it got called the Kardashian drug, which was brilliant because there's no evidence they took it.

02:46:31.000 Oh, really?

02:46:32.000 I've never heard any evidence that they took it.

02:46:34.000 Yeah.

02:46:35.000 But it's what you heard about.

02:46:37.000 I saw it on Twitter, the Kardashian drug.

02:46:39.000 In the early days of these GLP-1s, Zempick and Wegovy, they were talking about it and people were calling it the Kardashian drug.

02:46:46.000 And they were saying all these women in Hollywood are taking it. 0.93

02:46:48.000 I don't even know if they took it.

02:46:50.000 Because I know they have trainers, you know?

02:46:53.000 So they might have just worked out. 1.00

02:46:54.000 It might be bullshit. 0.99

02:46:55.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:46:57.000 But everybody's like, oh, they're doing it. 1.00

02:46:59.000 Those bitches. 1.00

02:47:01.000 Like, one of my wife's friends sent her an image of this woman and said, oh my god, everyone is on Ozempic these days. 1.00

02:47:07.000 Just because the woman was skinny. 1.00

02:47:09.000 It's like, first of all, that lady's always been skinny. 0.88

02:47:10.000 You can find pictures of her from 30 years ago she was skinny. 1.00

02:47:13.000 Like, what are you talking about? 0.99

02:47:14.000 Everybody wants to like, oh, that bitch, she's on it. 1.00

02:47:17.000 So we don't give anybody misinformation. 0.99

02:47:19.000 We interrupted this podcast because Jamie found out at the end of the podcast that one of the Kardashians has her own GLP-1 daily pill.

02:47:28.000 It's the latest product capitalized on weight loss drug.

02:47:31.000 This is Kourtney Kardashian, who's the thinnest.

02:47:34.000 She was always thin, which is odd.

02:47:37.000 So just so people know.

02:47:39.000 But the point was, at the beginning, everyone was calling it the Kardashian drug.

02:47:43.000 Maybe they were right. 0.89

02:47:46.000 Back to the show.

02:47:47.000 And that's what people do with everything, though.

02:47:49.000 They want to think that it's the most eye-opening thing having got behind the scenes and met you and then met Cam and met Aaron Rodgers and met all the...

02:48:00.000 Every person that you have introduced me to works their ass off.

02:48:05.000 The level of dedication and commitment...

02:48:09.000 And their schedules are crazy.

02:48:11.000 And the pressure is crazy.

02:48:12.000 And the stress is crazy.

02:48:14.000 And they have kids and families.

02:48:16.000 And they find to wake him up at, what, 3 in the morning to go run 30 miles?

02:48:20.000 He doesn't have to do that anymore because he doesn't have a regular job anymore.

02:48:23.000 Okay, well that's good.

02:48:24.000 Finally. 0.99

02:48:24.000 I tried to talk that guy into quitting his job for like 10 fucking years. 0.99

02:48:28.000 From the moment I met him, I'm like, quit that job, dude. 0.99

02:48:31.000 You can make more money doing this.

02:48:32.000 I was like trying to convince him.

02:48:34.000 It took forever.

02:48:35.000 It's just inspiring to see because you can sit on the outside and think, oh, that guy who's on top of the mountain, he's lucky.

02:48:42.000 They got lucky.

02:48:43.000 What you don't realize is you didn't see all the steps that it took for that guy or girl to get to the top of the mountain.

02:48:49.000 Cam was running marathons in the morning before work when he was working eight-hour days.

02:48:54.000 He would get up 3.30 in the morning, run a fucking marathon, and then take three days off of work, take his, you know, vacation time, and go run the Moab 240. Run 240 miles through the fucking mountains. 0.99

02:49:07.000 Like, that's a regular... 1.00

02:49:08.000 A regular guy with a regular job.

02:49:10.000 And if you don't get inspired by that and realize, like, there's more in the tank than you think there is.

02:49:15.000 And people like that, the benefit of people like that is that through their discipline, you can learn that you could do these things too.

02:49:24.000 You can get inspired by, not maybe, maybe you can't run the Moab 240, but you will most certainly hold yourself to a higher standard when you know there's someone out there that's really busting their ass and trying to make things happen.

02:49:34.000 It's motivating.

02:49:35.000 Like, Phillip Rowe, I know, we've become really good friends.

02:49:38.000 Philly Fresh from UFC. Love that dude.

02:49:40.000 Dude, working as a UPS guy, raising two kids, training MMA in his spare time, and, like, trying to get all his work in, makes it into the UFC. I mean, that's insane.

02:49:54.000 How about Deontay Wilder?

02:49:55.000 He was driving for, like, Budweiser or Coca-Cola or something like that?

02:49:59.000 Remember who he was driving for?

02:50:02.000 What was it?

02:50:03.000 Coca-Cola?

02:50:04.000 Driving.

02:50:05.000 Delivering trucks.

02:50:07.000 At like 21, starts boxing. 1.00

02:50:09.000 At 23, wins a bronze medal in the fucking Olympics. 1.00

02:50:13.000 So crazy. 1.00

02:50:13.000 Crazy. 1.00

02:50:15.000 Budweiser. 0.89

02:50:15.000 That's just so nuts. 0.89

02:50:16.000 Delivering Budweiser.

02:50:17.000 So the guy's just trying to take care of his family.

02:50:19.000 The reason I'm saying this is there is hope, people.

02:50:21.000 If those guys can do it, we can do it.

02:50:24.000 He got into boxing to take care of his kid who had medical problems.

02:50:26.000 That's cool.

02:50:27.000 He needed money to take care of his kid, so he just said, I'll become a pro boxer.

02:50:30.000 That is so crazy. 0.81

02:50:31.000 Crazy.

02:50:32.000 And it has the gift. 1.00

02:50:33.000 This one in a fucking hundred million gift of power that he had. 0.99

02:50:38.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:50:38.000 It's nuts. 0.99

02:50:39.000 But people like that exist to inspire you to do more. 1.00

02:50:43.000 And, you know, you could say, oh, fuck her, she's on Olympic. 1.00

02:50:46.000 Or maybe she's not. 1.00

02:50:47.000 Maybe she eats really healthy and she fucking works out every day. 1.00

02:50:49.000 Maybe that. 0.98

02:50:50.000 Maybe that, too. 0.99

02:50:51.000 Maybe instead of going, oh, fuck that, she's on Olympic, going... 1.00

02:50:55.000 Damn, that bitch looks good. 1.00

02:50:56.000 What's she doing? 1.00

02:50:57.000 Yeah.

02:50:57.000 What are you doing?

02:50:58.000 And then maybe find out what she's doing.

02:51:00.000 Maybe just realize you could do more yourself.

02:51:02.000 And if you did, everything that you could do to make yourself healthy wouldn't even have the urge to look at someone else and say, oh, she's on Ozempic.

02:51:11.000 You wouldn't care.

02:51:12.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:51:12.000 You would not give a fuck. 1.00

02:51:13.000 What you see is people, momentum creates momentum. 0.99

02:51:15.000 And even individuals I know that have taken Ozempic. 0.87

02:51:19.000 A lot of those people, they just needed wins on the board and they needed to create momentum.

02:51:23.000 And these really obese individuals, when they start seeing there's hope and the weight starts coming off, as crazy as it is, the diet, the lifestyle, the nutrition, all that starts to fall in line more and more.

02:51:34.000 And then they get a win on the board and now they're the guy who's going to the gym three days a week.

02:51:38.000 And that's the benefit of SSRIs too, for some people. 0.82

02:51:42.000 Yeah.

02:51:42.000 For some people.

02:51:43.000 And for Ari, that was the benefit of him.

02:51:45.000 He was really depressed.

02:51:46.000 It was really bad.

02:51:47.000 And I think it had something to do with taking DHT blockers. 0.98

02:51:50.000 So he was taking whatever the fuck that stuff is for your hair. 0.77

02:51:53.000 What's that stuff called? 0.96

02:51:54.000 Yeah, Propecia.

02:51:55.000 Propecia.

02:51:55.000 He was taking that.

02:51:56.000 It can really fuck up your hormones.

02:51:57.000 Yeah, some people.

02:51:58.000 And it wrecked him.

02:51:59.000 It wrecked him.

02:52:00.000 It got him very depressed.

02:52:02.000 But the SSRIs helped him get over the hump and he eventually got off of him. 0.55

02:52:05.000 And when his life is doing better, what a shock.

02:52:08.000 He feels better.

02:52:09.000 He's happy.

02:52:10.000 His career's doing great. 0.97

02:52:11.000 He's fucking not depressed anymore. 0.99

02:52:13.000 Oh, crazy. 1.00

02:52:14.000 They're all related.

02:52:15.000 People would try to tell you that your life sucking has no bearing on the level of depression that you have.

02:52:20.000 Well, that's crazy.

02:52:21.000 Yeah.

02:52:22.000 That's crazy.

02:52:23.000 Because there are people whose lives are seemingly on paper amazing and they're still depressed.

02:52:28.000 But I guarantee you they probably have their priorities off, and I guarantee you they probably don't exercise, and if they do, it's some rare imbalance that some people do have.

02:52:37.000 I can tell you, I mean, running businesses, of course everyone has stress and anxiety.

02:52:41.000 If I didn't do an ice bath or go do Muay Thai, If I take a week off, my anxiety is terrible.

02:52:48.000 I mean, I would have almost crippling anxiety, but doing physical activity and doing hard things and doing the ice bath and doing the sauna and going through that method and that process...

02:53:00.000 I mean, it helps me immensely.

02:53:02.000 100%.

02:53:02.000 You're used to a certain level of adversity.

02:53:05.000 And if you have no adversity, adversity is very difficult to handle.

02:53:08.000 But if you give yourself voluntary adversity that far exceeds anything you're going to experience outside of that, you're way better at handling stuff. 0.96

02:53:18.000 If your workouts are so fucking brutal, and I've seen you do Muay Thai, it's fucking hard, man. 0.97

02:53:22.000 It's hard. 0.99

02:53:24.000 It's exhausting.

02:53:25.000 And everything else seems easy.

02:53:26.000 Because when you're on, like, round five, and it's a five-minute round, and you're three and a half minutes in, and he's trying to get you to...

02:53:35.000 He's trying to get you to do a switch kick over and over and over again. 0.99

02:53:40.000 Your fucking heart is beating out of your chest. 1.00

02:53:42.000 You gotta finish the round strong. 1.00

02:53:44.000 And when you're done, when that bell goes off, you're like, oh my god.

02:53:48.000 That feeling, you don't get.

02:53:49.000 You don't get that in the day.

02:53:51.000 And you feel so much better.

02:53:53.000 After it's over.

02:53:54.000 But the feeling of being exhausted, pushing yourself.

02:53:58.000 That struggle is so much more intense than anything you experience other than a life or death confrontation in your day.

02:54:06.000 Yeah, just even conquering going there. 0.88

02:54:08.000 Like, there's so many days I'm driving, and I go, why the fuck am I doing this?

02:54:11.000 Why don't I just go to Starbucks, get one of those Frappuccinos again, go back to my old ways? 0.99

02:54:15.000 Life was fun being fat.

02:54:16.000 It was easy. 0.97

02:54:17.000 This is not, I don't want to go get the shit beat out of me and work my ass off for an hour, but every time you leave, even no matter what, I'm like, oh, thank God I did that. 0.99

02:54:25.000 Every time I get out of that stupid ice bath, I feel like that. 0.99

02:54:28.000 Every time I go in, I don't want to do it. 1.00

02:54:30.000 I know I'm going to go in it because there's two people in my head. 1.00

02:54:33.000 There's the general and there's the pussy. 1.00

02:54:35.000 And the pussy is like, don't do it. 1.00

02:54:38.000 Don't make me do that for three minutes. 1.00

02:54:41.000 Don't make me get in there. 1.00

02:54:42.000 And the general's like, shut the fuck up, bitch. 1.00

02:54:44.000 You know you're going to do it. 1.00

02:54:45.000 So stop with all these thoughts.

02:54:46.000 Just put the lid up.

02:54:48.000 That one's one I still to this day, I do it.

02:54:52.000 I hate it every time.

02:54:53.000 I hate it every time.

02:54:54.000 I still have not.

02:54:54.000 There's never a day where I'm like, this is going to be easy.

02:54:57.000 That's the good thing, though.

02:54:58.000 That's your win.

02:54:59.000 That's your win of the day that you did that.

02:55:01.000 You need those little wins.

02:55:02.000 Just like we were talking about with Ozempic.

02:55:04.000 You need to get one on the board.

02:55:05.000 You know, and getting one on the board any way you can.

02:55:07.000 Completing a workout.

02:55:08.000 Write it down.

02:55:09.000 Complete it.

02:55:09.000 You got one on the board.

02:55:10.000 You got a win for the day.

02:55:11.000 That's real.

02:55:12.000 It seems like it's not, but it's real.

02:55:14.000 That's why the belt system works in martial arts, right?

02:55:17.000 You get a blue belt.

02:55:18.000 You're like, oh, I got a blue belt. 0.99

02:55:19.000 Holy shit, I'm not a white belt anymore. 0.99

02:55:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:55:21.000 Come on, get a purple belt. 1.00

02:55:22.000 It incentivizes you.

02:55:23.000 Human beings are subject to that.

02:55:25.000 You're nailing it.

02:55:26.000 This is my point with the AI. I want to gamify it, and I want healthcare to be fun.

02:55:30.000 Yes.

02:55:31.000 I want people to know that they're challenging their friends.

02:55:33.000 We're rising together. 1.00

02:55:35.000 Joe, you're a pussy. 1.00

02:55:36.000 You only worked out 30 minutes today. 1.00

02:55:38.000 Your dex is at this.

02:55:39.000 My overall mortality risk is improving.

02:55:42.000 Yours isn't.

02:55:43.000 How do we make it fun?

02:55:44.000 And you can choose what to share.

02:55:46.000 Kind of like what Whoop does.

02:55:47.000 Well, what you do with Tim Kennedy.

02:55:50.000 I watch his My Zone, and I watch what Tim does every day, and I'm like, if I can just get close to what Tim did, I will feel great about myself.

02:55:59.000 So I try to beat his workouts, or Juan from On It Gym has his on there too, and I'll just try and beat those guys' workouts on those days.

02:56:06.000 It's funny because people will say that that's an addictive thing, which is really interesting.

02:56:11.000 Because one of the things that people talk about with addictions that people are struggling with today, one of them is fitness apps.

02:56:17.000 Yeah.

02:56:17.000 Like, geez, isn't that like the greatest addiction of all time?

02:56:20.000 Like, yeah, you can go off the rails.

02:56:22.000 You can get a little crazy.

02:56:23.000 But isn't it the greatest addiction of all time?

02:56:26.000 Well, how many, I think, with addicts, they have them...

02:56:29.000 One is finding religion and a higher calling and giving up to a higher power.

02:56:33.000 But the other thing I've seen is...

02:56:35.000 Candidly, a lot of times they trade addiction and they get really big into CrossFit or Jiu Jitsu or Jiu Jitsu, but it's a healthy addiction.

02:56:44.000 Exactly.

02:56:45.000 It is.

02:56:45.000 It's a better alternative than drowning your sorrows in a bottle.

02:56:49.000 Well, that's also the same pathways of the mind that lead you to negative addictions leads you to positive addictions.

02:56:54.000 It's about channeling that kind of energy into something positive.

02:56:59.000 I am 100% an addict.

02:57:01.000 But I've figured out a way to be addicted to all things that are really good that I love.

02:57:06.000 That's the way to try to live your life.

02:57:08.000 It's just try to funnel that, whatever that focus is that leads you to want to shoot heroin.

02:57:13.000 And this also works the other way, too.

02:57:15.000 And there was a guy that I know that was a world championship caliber pool player.

02:57:20.000 And wouldn't drink, wouldn't smoke, just drank water, super clean and healthy, and he was one of the top pool players in the world.

02:57:27.000 And he was winning tournaments and gambling and winning a lot of money, and he was like rock solid.

02:57:32.000 This guy was, he was, he would hold down the cash.

02:57:36.000 Like if you bet on that guy, you had a really good chance of winning.

02:57:39.000 He would win by, he would not choke ever.

02:57:42.000 Yeah.

02:57:42.000 He got in a car accident and he hurt his back.

02:57:45.000 And the same thing that got that guy addicted to pool got him addicted to pills.

02:57:51.000 He couldn't stop taking pills, man.

02:57:54.000 That weird pathway.

02:57:55.000 And my friend Tommy put it this way.

02:57:57.000 It's like the same thing that got him addicted.

02:57:59.000 He called it the same thing that got him addicted to pool got him addicted to pills.

02:58:03.000 It's like this obsession.

02:58:04.000 So he found this thing that gave him relief from the pain and then he became obsessed with getting more of them.

02:58:09.000 And then one day died.

02:58:11.000 You know, he died young.

02:58:12.000 Yeah.

02:58:13.000 And this was a guy you would never have predicted that.

02:58:15.000 And that's what's so insidious about what the Sackler family did.

02:58:18.000 That's what's so insidious about the opioid crisis, is that you can get good people.

02:58:22.000 And everybody wants to say, that wouldn't happen to me.

02:58:24.000 I'm mentally strong.

02:58:25.000 That's nonsense.

02:58:27.000 I'm telling you this guy was as mentally strong as you get.

02:58:30.000 Some people just get got.

02:58:32.000 It gets them, especially if you're in pain.

02:58:35.000 Especially if you're one of those people that doesn't tolerate pain very well.

02:58:38.000 Some people just...

02:58:39.000 I don't know if they feel it different.

02:58:40.000 I think they feel it different.

02:58:41.000 I think it's the only thing...

02:58:42.000 I think just like hot sauce tastes different to some folks, I think some people feel pain different.

02:58:47.000 And you know what?

02:58:49.000 One of the reasons I thought this is my mom got an injection in her knee and she didn't even flinch. 0.67

02:58:54.000 They stuck this giant-ass needle in my mom's knee and plunged it in there and she didn't even flinch. 1.00

02:58:59.000 And the doctor was like, that's crazy. 1.00

02:59:02.000 This fucking 70-year-old lady didn't flinch. 1.00

02:59:04.000 And I was like, that's where I get it. 1.00

02:59:06.000 Yeah, it's a high pain threshold.

02:59:08.000 It has to be.

02:59:09.000 I think it's a genetic thing.

02:59:11.000 I used to think that it was from being hurt all the time in martial arts.

02:59:14.000 When I owned a toxicology, I was in the toxicology lab and the non-abusive stuff after my brother passed from opioids and I was trying to educate clinicians on that.

02:59:22.000 One of the things I did was hire an expert, Dr. Bill Massey.

02:59:25.000 And he came in and he sat on Obama's opioid abuse campaign committee and was...

02:59:29.000 He was helping guide me on what makes sense and how do we do this.

02:59:33.000 But one of the things he shared with me that was wild was this study that he did for Obama with rhesus monkeys, where they gave one set of rhesus monkeys basically a cage with metal and no warmth, no interaction with other monkeys.

02:59:48.000 They got water and food, but at erratic times, there was no consistency in that monkey's life.

02:59:55.000 Then they took another subset of rhesus monkeys where they gave them warmth, shelter, let them stay with their family for the right amount of time until they reached maturity.

03:00:03.000 And what they found is when they introduced drug, heroin and cocaine to these monkeys, disproportionately the monkeys that were deprived died.

03:00:12.000 And OD'd.

03:00:13.000 Whereas the monkeys that had that love and affection and warmth and comfort and essential needs met died at a much lower rate.

03:00:21.000 Most of them actually survived.

03:00:22.000 And he was breaking down that if you grow up in an environment with minimal dopamine response, When you light up that dopamine, maybe it's a boxing match, right?

03:00:32.000 You're a kid who's been poor, and you get in that boxing match, you knock a guy out, you're hooked.

03:00:38.000 This is it.

03:00:39.000 This is the best I've felt.

03:00:41.000 Everyone's cheering me on.

03:00:42.000 For some people, unfortunately, what they find first is a drug, or an alcohol, or a substance.

03:00:48.000 But that same person could be...

03:00:51.000 The future Albert Einstein, the future Muhammad Ali, the future, you know, whatever it may be.

03:00:57.000 Insert here.

03:00:58.000 They have that ability.

03:00:59.000 It's just can we give them a shot?

03:01:01.000 Can we buy them the time and get them out of this?

03:01:04.000 Because I've seen a lot of people beat drug addiction, but I've unfortunately lost a lot of people to it, too.

03:01:09.000 They did it with rats, too.

03:01:11.000 They did a very similar thing.

03:01:12.000 They did a rat park.

03:01:13.000 And so they had the rats in the cage and the rats, I think it was heroin that they used.

03:01:17.000 See if you can find what the rat park study was.

03:01:21.000 Very similar type study.

03:01:22.000 And they did another study where they had this enormous cage where the rats could run around, they had toys, things for them to do.

03:01:28.000 And they didn't just do drugs until they died.

03:01:31.000 They just went and had a party and lived like normal rats. 0.97

03:01:34.000 Yeah.

03:01:34.000 Which is just like all mammals, all humans.

03:01:37.000 We have...

03:01:38.000 These reward systems that are built into us.

03:01:41.000 Heroin or cocaine-laced rats.

03:01:42.000 Oh, here it is.

03:01:43.000 Alexander's experience in the 70s had come to be called Rat Park.

03:01:46.000 Researchers had already proved that when rats were placed in a cage all alone with no other community of rats and offered two water bottles, one filled with water, the other filled with heroin or cocaine, the rats would repetitively drink from the drug-laced bottles until they overdosed and died.

03:02:12.000 Whoops. 0.99

03:02:17.000 Fucking pop-ups. 1.00

03:02:19.000 He put in rat parks where they were among others and free to roam and play, socialize, and to have sex. 1.00

03:02:24.000 And they were given the same access to two types of drug-laced bottles.

03:02:28.000 When inhabiting a rat park, they remarkably preferred the plain water.

03:02:32.000 Even when they did imbibe from the drug-filled bottle, they did so intermittently, not obsessively, and never overdosed.

03:02:39.000 A social community beat the power of drugs.

03:02:41.000 And you gotta wonder if that would be the case with human beings.

03:02:45.000 You know, if everyone, I mean it's not possible right now in the world that we live in, but if everyone had a productive, happy, healthy life and was raised in a positive environment, how much less drug abuse and drug addiction would we have?

03:03:01.000 It's a good question, because if it really is this horrible childhood that is causing a lot of people to seek these things out, but that's not my friend.

03:03:12.000 My friend who got addicted, he wasn't from abuse like that.

03:03:17.000 He was talking about normal family.

03:03:18.000 Everything was fine.

03:03:19.000 It was him dealing with pain, and back pain is some of the worst pain. 0.99

03:03:24.000 It's fucking debilitating. 0.97

03:03:25.000 I mean, I've known multiple friends who've had back surgeries. 0.99

03:03:28.000 When they're in pain, it's just like, It takes over everything.

03:03:32.000 Like, I've had knee surgery, and you can kind of deal with knee pain.

03:03:35.000 It's like, yeah, it sucks, but it's gonna get better.

03:03:38.000 It'll be okay. 0.93

03:03:39.000 But it's not your whole system.

03:03:41.000 It's just your knee.

03:03:42.000 The back feels like your whole being is hurt.

03:03:45.000 It's a particular type of pain that people want relief from.

03:03:48.000 My buddy's dad has been in and out of the hospital.

03:03:51.000 He's in his 80s now.

03:03:53.000 And he used to go on the elk hunts with us and everything.

03:03:55.000 He was a coach.

03:03:57.000 They had him loaded up on pain meds and everything was starting to fail.

03:04:02.000 He had been in the hospital for months.

03:04:03.000 They were about to move him to hospice.

03:04:05.000 And my buddy said, we're done.

03:04:08.000 I don't want any more pain meds.

03:04:09.000 And he talked to his dad and he said, dad...

03:04:11.000 Can you survive without the pain meds?

03:04:13.000 And he didn't think he could.

03:04:15.000 And he battled, like, feeling terrible, everything.

03:04:19.000 Long story short, he went from they were going to put him in hospice because his kidneys and organs and all this were failing to he drove a car last week.

03:04:27.000 Right?

03:04:27.000 He's out of the hospital.

03:04:28.000 He's in his 80s.

03:04:29.000 He's driving his truck again.

03:04:31.000 I don't know if I want to be on the road with that guy.

03:04:33.000 It's all those pain meds were poisoning his brain, his body.

03:04:37.000 Of course.

03:04:37.000 His organs were shutting down because they were just pushing more and more and more.

03:04:41.000 And I don't want to be too sinister, but there's a lot of money in keeping somebody in a hospital and billing that insurance company during those time frames and then moving them over.

03:04:52.000 You know, I stood in surgeries where I watched them do neurosurgeries on people they knew were going to die.

03:04:56.000 But they could bill them $800,000 and collect the insurance payment, and so the hospital's going to do the surgery.

03:05:02.000 Oh, God.

03:05:05.000 That's such a horrible thing to hear.

03:05:06.000 Do a surgery on someone who you know is going to die just to make the money off of it.

03:05:11.000 It's just because our incentive systems are flawed, like what you were talking about earlier.

03:05:18.000 Dopamine wins reward systems.

03:05:21.000 If we build a reward system based off Money and numbers and finances, we shouldn't be shocked when we have killer earnings and really bad health outcomes.

03:05:32.000 It's the same with everything in the human race.

03:05:35.000 Whenever it's incentivized by money, people don't go to what's best for people.

03:05:41.000 They go to what's going to make them the most money.

03:05:43.000 And that's the weird world that we find ourselves in with people defending that because their ideology opposes the opposite.

03:05:51.000 Yeah.

03:05:52.000 It's nuts. 0.99

03:05:53.000 It's a weird, weird, weird fucking time. 0.97

03:05:55.000 But listen, brother, I'm glad I met you. 0.96

03:05:58.000 I'm glad you're out there.

03:05:59.000 I'm glad you can speak about these things the way you can with so much information.

03:06:02.000 You're so knowledgeable about it, and you can pull it up at any moment.

03:06:07.000 It's a daunting task that you have, but I think your message has changed a lot of people's lives.

03:06:13.000 I really do.

03:06:14.000 I think there's a lot of people that recognize that between you and all these other people in the space, Peter Atiyah and Andrew Huberman and all these people, Dr. Rhonda Patrick, all these people talking about health and what you can do to improve and studies and all these things you can do to change the path that you're on.

03:06:33.000 I think it's affected countless lives.

03:06:37.000 Thank you for giving me a voice and thank you for having me on here.

03:06:40.000 And also thank you to the US Senate for being brave enough to let us sit there and hammer the US government and critique them for their choices and power to them for at least having the honesty and integrity to let us have an open forum.

03:06:54.000 Yes.

03:06:55.000 Yeah, let's hope they keep doing it and this Make America Healthy Again idea is one of the most promising political ideas I've heard in a long time because it's long overdue.

03:07:05.000 There was a long time where they were denying that cigarettes cause cancer.

03:07:08.000 They denied it as long as they could and then eventually they couldn't deny it anymore.

03:07:12.000 And I would hope that we would learn our lesson from all these other things they did.

03:07:16.000 All these other things that they used to push and now they realize they're dangerous and they really regret that they did it and people went along with it.

03:07:24.000 Time has come.

03:07:25.000 Time has come to change the way we approach food and health.

03:07:29.000 I agree.

03:07:30.000 Thank you.

03:07:30.000 Thank you for having me.

03:07:31.000 Thank you for everything.

03:07:32.000 My pleasure.

03:07:32.000 Bye everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - October 01, 2024

Joe Rogan Experience #2208 - Brigham Buhler

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