In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Bobby Kennedy to talk about his experience testifying in front of the US Senate on chronic disease and opioid addiction. Bobby and his team created a group of likeminded individuals to take a fresh approach to what is going on with chronic disease in America. The goal was to create a nonpartisan group to take on the pharmaceutical industry and find a way to fix the problem. In the end, what they found was a lot more than they could have ever hoped for. In this episode of the podcast, Bobby talks about what it was like to be on the Senate floor with over 2,000 other patients and their testimony, and how it changed the trajectory of the conversation on the issue. Bobby is a pediatric neurologist, pediatric infectious disease physician, and pediatric neuropsychologist. He has been a member of the Kennedy Foundation, a patient advocacy group, and has been involved in countless other efforts to improve the lives of patients across the country. He is a friend of mine and I really enjoyed this conversation with Bobby Kennedy. I hope you enjoy this episode and that you do as much as I did! Thank you Bobby Kennedy for being on the podcast. You are an inspiration to me, Bobby Kennedy, and I hope that you enjoy listening to this podcast and share it with your friends, family, and loved ones. I know that you will find value in this episode. - Thank you, Bobby, for coming on the pod! - Tom and Casey - Cheers, Dr. Robert Kennedy and Cheers. Cheers! Tom & Casey and Bobby ( ) . . . Music: "The Truth is Wildcard" - "You catch more flies with honey than you do vinegar?" - "The American People Can't Fight the Bigger Game" - by The Bigger Problem" by Bobby Kennedy (feat. (featuring Bobby Kennedy) - "Outtro: "Outro Music: "Solo" by Fountains of America" by Jeff Perla (ft. (Solo) by Mr. John McDade ( ) - "I'm Too Effing Good Morning America , "I Don't Know What's Better Than You" by Sisyphus (feat ) - & "I'll See You in the House" by Ms. ( ) ( ) & Mr. Billie ( ) , "The Bigger Than You ( )
00:00:57.000After I think they did Tucker, that it led to momentum.
00:01:00.000And then because of you having me on the podcast, that's how I met RFK. And so Bobby's team had reached out to me maybe about a year and a half ago to come up to Dallas while he was doing a campaign there and sit down with him.
00:01:13.000And he was Just asking a hundred questions about what's going on and what did you see on the pharmaceutical side and what did you see owning pharmacies and billing insurance companies.
00:01:22.000And so when they had an opportunity to put this team together to testify in front of the Senate, the goal was to create a nonpartisan group of individuals to take a new fresh approach to what is going on with chronic disease in America.
00:01:37.000Because the chronic disease crisis is at an all-time high.
00:01:40.000I mean, we could go through all the statistics and I know that Casey and Callie will when they're on here, so I don't want to steal their thunder, but it's staggering.
00:01:47.000I mean, close to anywhere between 1.7 to 1.9 million people are dying a year of chronic disease.
00:02:12.000So to me, I was excited when they said, hey, the Senate's willing to hear and that's the beauty of a democracy.
00:02:19.000They did let us come in there and candidly take a dump on the Senate floor on what's going on with this health care system and really dig into the weeds.
00:02:28.000Did anybody try to take the side of the pharmaceutical drug industry?
00:02:31.000Did anybody question you or try to push back?
00:02:55.000Over 2,000 hardworking Americans took time from their busy day, flew to D.C., had to sit in an overflow room to listen to these testimonies.
00:03:05.000And the level of feedback from people, from like real humans, real-world people, was staggering.
00:03:11.000I mean, people afterwards came up in tears sharing their story of how the system had let them down or a loved one down, misdiagnoses, like all the different issues that they've dealt with.
00:03:45.000They just said you catch more flies with honey than you do vinegar.
00:03:48.000And, you know, me, Callie and the other folks that sat on this panel, you know, our goal was to just share our stories and share what we saw.
00:03:57.000And so my testimony in particular was really more about the human side.
00:04:02.000You know, there's so many staggering datas and statistics and numbers, but behind all that is a person.
00:04:08.000That's all I wanted people to understand.
00:05:29.000They, you know, they tried to give us some coaching, you know, to say, hey, if you go this route, just understand there's going to be blowback.
00:05:36.000And, you know, we're here to get progress on these topics, not, you know, burn the house down type deal.
00:05:43.000And then I did have some – and it was a bipartisan effort.
00:05:46.000So some of the senators in the room had mentioned, well, the American people just want a pill.
00:07:31.000The advertising, that $8 billion a year, it leads you to believe that there is some sort of a solution in the bottom of a prescription bottle.
00:07:42.000That's the problem, is that they've been misled so long and so far down the line, and here they are, chronically ill, suffering, and they're hoping it's the next pill.
00:07:55.000And our hope was to break down from the start of...
00:08:15.000My expertise and my testimony was focused on what I saw as a drug rep, what I saw as a med device rep, what I saw billing insurance companies, and that was a part of the talk that we didn't even get to dive deep into, but the goal was to explain to the Senate From the food processing,
00:08:32.000growing, harvesting, chemical treatments, to the packaging, to the ingredients we add into our food, to the hospital systems, throughout the system, front to back, the American people are set up for failure.
00:08:46.000In the 1950s, the FDA had approved 700 different ingredients in our food products.
00:08:54.000That's it, 700. Today, there are over 10,000 chemicals and petrochemicals in our food products in the United States.
00:10:21.000These are all metabolically related disease states.
00:10:24.000All the chronic diseases that are killing us can be traced back to diet, lifestyle, and nutrition, but none of our clinicians are trained on diet, lifestyle, and nutrition.
00:10:33.000That's the hard pill for people to swallow, diet, lifestyle, and nutrition.
00:10:37.000It's very hard for people who are addicted to shitty food, who are lazy, who don't have a history of exercise, and their lifestyle sucks, and they get home from work and they like to drink.
00:11:03.000And we've gotta start by having the conversation.
00:11:06.000And that's what I was optimistic about.
00:11:08.000For the first time in my adult life, The Senate is willing to sit down with a group of individuals and have a deep conversation about where our food comes from, how our food is being processed, what ingredients are in our food, and how that could potentially lead to chronic disease.
00:11:24.000And it got labeled by some of the I would say hatchet job media outlets that have come out, and we can dive into that.
00:11:44.000To say that toxic chemicals that are illegal in other countries, but are legal in the United States, and there's a reason why they're illegal.
00:11:53.000You could find all the different things that they do to the body, all the different damage they cause.
00:11:59.000To say that that's woo-woo is so crazy.
00:12:03.000Like what did they list as an example of woo-woo?
00:12:07.000What's hard is they went immediately at like, these are all entrepreneurs that have something to sell you.
00:12:14.000And I can tell you sitting in the room with those people, all of us were scared.
00:12:47.000But it's just stunning that people are willing to whore themselves out to write a hit piece on someone trying to help human beings find healthier choices and realize the root cause of all the diseases that we're facing.
00:13:00.000The WooWoo article, she alludes to how we talked about nothing but metabolic disease and what does metabolic disease have to do with cancer.
00:13:08.000Actually, I can tell you, it is the number one risk factor.
00:13:12.000Obesity and metabolic disease is the number one risk factor to all forms of cancer other than smoking.
00:13:19.000So if you take smoking and age out of the equation, it's your number one risk factor.
00:13:32.000And the people on that panel, too, to their credit, I was the least qualified of anyone to be in that room, and I was there to talk about my experiences as an industry insider.
00:13:41.000I am not telling you that I am an expert on metabolic disease.
00:13:45.000I can tell you that I'm an expert on fuckery.
00:13:48.000Because I've been in healthcare long enough to see what they're doing, and I know their equation.
00:13:55.000But other than me, you had Casey Means, Stanford-trained surgeon.
00:13:59.000You had Dr. Palmer, a psychiatrist from Harvard, who was breaking down metabolic disease and how it's astronomically impacting the mental health crisis in America.
00:14:10.000One of the stats he dropped on us in his testimony was, we're at an all-time high in suicide and death of despair, greater than during the Great Depression.
00:14:21.000More Americans are dying of suicide and death of despair, more than ever.
00:14:25.000More children are being diagnosed with metabolic disease, diabetes.
00:14:29.000Girls are starting periods six years younger.
00:14:33.000I don't need a double-blind study to tell you something's wrong.
00:14:43.000As we get into that, in the names, they just totally breezed over and that article tried to make it sound like it's a bunch of influencers.
00:14:51.000And it's like, yes, there were some people who have social media presences, but there were also academics there.
00:15:24.000Remove ingredients from certain states, stop chemicals in certain food sources.
00:15:28.000They're actually going to march to Kellogg on the 10th of next month to hand a petition signed by over 100,000 Americans coming out the tail end of that, asking them to remove dangerous chemicals that they don't put in food products in other countries and just match it.
00:15:59.000The FDA doesn't have the bandwidth to study every time a new ingredient is added to a food source.
00:16:05.000So you and I have gone down the rabbit hole on the FDA's attempt to try and regulate and rein in big industry like big pharma and big medical.
00:16:14.000And I know I've told your listeners for over 90% of the products in the operating room have never been through an FDA human safety trial.
00:16:21.000It was an entity built at a time to serve a purpose.
00:16:37.000It's dangerous and it's spooky that you get pushback after that.
00:16:41.000So let's talk about the pushback because it was immediately afterwards you started texting me like, dude, holy shit, these hit pieces are nuts.
00:16:48.000Because you could see the machine moving against you.
00:16:51.000So you could see that someone saw this Senate hearing, realized that it could potentially have an impact and tried to do their best to mitigate those potentially positive effects for the health of American people.
00:17:26.000The corporate media narrative of compounding pharmacies are dangerous.
00:17:31.000People are getting drugs from these compounding pharmacies that are in garages and they're just willy nilly making compounds and shipping them into the marketplace.
00:17:39.000And I had to methodically walk her through.
00:17:41.000Compounding pharmacies fall under the FDA's jurisdiction.
00:17:44.000My pharmacy's been inspected three times in 18 months.
00:17:48.000Every single ingredient we buy is an FDA-approved ingredient.
00:17:52.000Every single compound we compound, we send off to an independent third-party lab to verify, okay?
00:17:59.000And I say all this just to lay the groundwork.
00:18:01.000We've treated over a million patient lives at our pharmacy, over a million patient lives nationwide, and What they do in that environment is the media will list any recall, any mistake a compounding pharmacy makes,
00:18:19.000but sweep under the rug that big pharmaceutical companies like Eli Lilly and Pfizer have moved most of their manufacturing overseas where the FDA has to submit before they can come do an inspection and has to give them two months' notice because they're coming into a foreign country and they've got to get visas and approvals and all these things to come inspect those facilities.
00:18:39.000They can't just walk in like they walk into my facility.
00:18:42.000And so, Lilly, Eli Lilly in particular, one of the reasons they're struggling with back orders right now is their facilities have been popped for egregious action by the FDA. But none of that is in the public eye.
00:18:56.000I think Reuters is the only one that wrote an article.
00:19:00.000Little Compounding Pharmacy in Texas recalls 28 vials proactively for a mislabel, and the New York Post makes it national news, but you didn't cover Eli Lilly's nationwide issues on all these products, or the fact that over 2,000 manufacturing facilities owned by Big Pharma haven't been inspected in five or more years.
00:19:48.000We draft a response explaining all the things we do to go above and beyond and how our vision is to bring, you know, cost effective prescription drugs to the American people for pennies on the dollar, typically less than your copay or deductible.
00:20:46.000So the same folks who own the pharmaceutical companies who have the most to gain by keeping the narrative the same and driving America towards the chronic disease crisis and monetizing your chronic disease with all the things you and I have discussed before, whether pharmacy benefit managers,
00:21:02.000insurance companies, hospitals, pharmaceutical companies, front to back, top to bottom, We've lost our way.
00:21:11.000It's all about quarterly earnings and quarterly profits.
00:21:14.000And I'm not saying that they're intentionally poisoning the American people to set them up so that they can knock them down.
00:21:21.000I just think it's so siloed and so compartmentalized and everybody's fighting for that extra dollar that quarter, that day, that month, that they're just blocking and tackling and preventing the narrative from rising in their siloed bucket.
00:21:37.000But you have to, like in humans, we have to take a look out and go, hey, I'm not just treating your knee or your brain health or your heart health.
00:21:45.000The body is an organism that works together.
00:21:47.000We have to do a deeper dive to assess where the disease started, what caused it, and can we uncover the root cause and fix the root cause?
00:21:57.000We have to do the same thing in our systems and our protocols and our procedures.
00:22:01.000We know that corporate capture is real.
00:22:04.000We know that corporate capture has somewhat happened with the FDA, somewhat happened with Congress and the Senate.
00:22:10.000You know, everyone's scared to fight these guys.
00:22:32.000Because there should be laws against that.
00:22:34.000If there's laws against insider trading, how is there not laws against manipulating narratives in order to profit at the expense of people's health?
00:22:42.000Yeah, and to even further highlight the level of corruption and corporate capture, I sent you and Jamie an article.
00:22:48.000I don't even remember the news outlet.
00:22:50.000But when you look, who owns that news outlet?
00:22:53.000Okay, well, it says most of its funding comes from this PR firm.
00:22:56.000Then when we go to look at who owns the PR firm, it's Monsanto that owns the PR firm that got this other...
00:23:11.000The Atlantic, you know, and as I peel the layers back to the Atlantic, it was owned by Bradley, who made his money being a consultant for Big Pharma and pharmacy benefit managers.
00:23:21.000He sold a big chunk of his company off to Optum, which is one of the dirtiest pharmacy benefit managers out there.
00:23:28.000And we broke that down on your previous podcast.
00:23:30.000The pharmacy benefit managers, for those listeners that don't know, were established in the 70s and 80s with the goal of driving down the cost of prescription drug care for America.
00:23:40.000But it got captured by the insurance companies.
00:23:43.000So Cigna, Aetna, CVS Health, all of those companies now own these middlemen that are negotiating rebates.
00:23:51.000So it's important to understand because those rebate dollars are held at that company and they're making billions off of chronic disease.
00:24:00.000So if you're on a GLP-1 weight loss drug for the rest of your life, and they've negotiated rebates to the pharmacy benefit plans that they own, they're oftentimes holding 40-50% of their profitability in a shell company that's not disclosed to the American public or the US government.
00:24:17.000And when they establish a Medicare price point on a drug, they base it off of the average wholesale price in America.
00:24:23.000And that's important because they artificially inflated the fucking average wholesale price.
00:24:28.000And they're giving themselves a rebate on the back end, but the government doesn't have line of sight into that.
00:25:49.000And I told you this, even with the DOJ and what I saw with enforcement bodies.
00:25:57.000When your data sets are corrupt and the only info you're receiving is from bad sources that are pushing agendas, but those sources also are your future employment when you come out of government service, it just becomes a dangerous,
00:27:16.000I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about?
00:27:18.000This is something that you can solve just by eating less.
00:27:21.000Something you can solve by cutting out sugar, cutting out sodas, eating whole ingredient foods, eating fish and chicken and red meat and vegetables and cutting out all the bullshit.
00:28:01.000We need to fix our food products in schools.
00:28:03.000We need to limit soft drinks and advertising to children.
00:28:06.000There's a million things we could do that are way more logical and reasonable than starting to stick a kid with an injectable that they're going to take the rest of their life.
00:28:45.000Another example of that is that, you know, we were a foster family growing up.
00:28:49.000So we had up to seven foster kids at a time in my house.
00:28:53.000And I remember that the hep V vaccines that all those little kids had to get.
00:28:59.000And I didn't think about it at the time, but again, hearing some of my friends like Callie and Casey talk about it, the vaccine schedule's crazy because you're giving a child, a brand new baby, essentially a hep B vaccine.
00:29:12.000The only two ways to contract hepatitis B is basically you're injecting drugs or sex.
00:29:21.000So why expose them to the risk factor of a potential adverse event when we know autism rates are through the roof?
00:29:28.000All of these different health issues for children are climbing.
00:29:32.000And at some point we have to assess what we're doing and say, isn't there a better way?
00:29:36.000But I know enough about how that system works and how things are negotiated on the back end and the lobby.
00:29:42.000And now it's established and now it's hammered home.
00:29:45.000And then you assemble and you go have a meet with all the pediatricians nationwide and you have people as spokesperson that push that agenda and get senators and congressmen and women on the hook to go, yes, we need these vaccines incorporated as part of our policy to protect these children.
00:30:13.000They don't look at the full human body.
00:30:15.000They look at, I'm a knee guy and I'm going to look at the knee.
00:30:17.000Or I'm a mental health specialist and I'm going to talk to this patient about their mental health.
00:30:21.000But your mental health is intertwined with your physical health.
00:30:24.000Your mental health, and this is what Dr. Palmer from Harvard talks about, you know, if we have metabolic disease and all these metabolic crises, it's going to lead to mental health issues.
00:30:58.000You can only sell them one pair of sneakers every six months.
00:31:02.000What scares me, and again, not to shit on the GLP-1s, because we prescribe GLP-1s, we utilize GLP-1s, they are a tool in the tool belt, and when utilized appropriately, they can help people.
00:31:14.000But a hammer can kill someone if used inappropriately.
00:31:18.000And so, if we make it our frontline defense, and again, we go back to the chronic disease crisis in America, and we say, okay, the food system's broke, then the people end up chronically ill, then we don't really assess people, and our assessment tools in a primary care market are based off a sick patient population.
00:31:38.000If we base the demographic off the average American, That is dying of chronic diseases and that is our measuring stick.
00:31:47.000Then why are we shocked when we continue to have a boom in people dying of chronic diseases and being diagnosed with chronic diseases?
00:32:05.000I want to talk about you because one of the things that's interesting about this is like You were unhealthy at one point in time, and you were overweight, and this is how you kind of started this journey.
00:32:15.000Maybe a lot of people aren't aware of that.
00:32:17.000You had to learn all this stuff, and you had to learn all this stuff through your own personal health crisis.
00:32:25.000I was 29, 30 years old, early 30s, and I was 25% body fat, pre-diabetic, headed towards all the same chronic diseases that we're talking about.
00:32:40.000My diet, well, originally my diet was terrible.
00:32:43.000It was a traditional American diet, right?
00:32:45.000So I was a surgical rep, and I had to be in the OR by 7 a.m., and so I would go do CrossFit every morning, then I'd go to the OR, I'd be in cases all day, I would eat whatever I could.
00:32:55.000I would drink a Starbucks Frappuccino, not realizing there's 1,800 calories of sugar and chemicals and no nutrients.
00:33:24.000And you just stay with what you're indoctrinated into.
00:33:29.000So I started seeing a nutritionist in my 30s and I did lean down and I lost weight and I was getting healthier and I was headed the right direction and I was still training.
00:33:37.000But he was like, if you're doing everything I'm saying, let me take a step back.
00:33:41.000I would go to a primary care and it would take three months to get in with a primary care.
00:33:46.000Then they would just pull a basic lipid panel.
00:33:48.000And then I would say, well, can we look at my hormones?
00:33:50.000No, no, we don't need to look at hormones.
00:33:52.000We're going to look at your lipid panel.
00:34:10.000Long story short, six months later, still fat, still trying to lose weight, working out every day, seeing a nutritionist.
00:34:17.000A nutritionist said, I want to refer you to a urology buddy, Dr. Larry Lipschultz, who's one of the godfathers of urology and hormone optimization in the United States.
00:34:26.000And when I went and met with Larry, he was shocked after he pulled my blood work.
00:34:31.000We actually did it twice because he just didn't believe my readings.
00:34:34.000And my testosterone level after seeing him was 98. Oh my god.
00:35:01.000By then I was using the nutritionist, but then it was a question of, did I dig too big of a hole?
00:35:06.000And then the question is, are you overtraining and you're crashing what little hormones you have left and your body's trying to get ramped up?
00:35:13.000So we ended up treating at the time with HCG and clomiphene.
00:35:51.000If I don't eat a Muffin and a Starbucks coffee loaded with sugar, I don't have that insulin response that causes the hunger cravings a few hours later where I'm back to eating another unhealthy meal choice.
00:36:05.000If you eat protein first, eggs, hearty, heavy foods, dense, nutrient-packed foods, your appetite is suppressed.
00:36:17.000And so we prioritize proteins, healthy proteins like chickens, fish, all of those sources, and then healthy carbs.
00:36:25.000Get away from sugars, whites, starches, prioritize healthy carbohydrate sources that are slower burning that allow you to metabolize the protein that you're absorbing.
00:36:37.000So how much weight did you lose that way?
00:36:39.000I literally went, well, starting on diet, I probably lost about half of the weight that I was trying to get off.
00:36:46.000So I know body fat percentage, he got me from 25 down to about 15. And then when we added hormone optimization, not testosterone at the time, it was HCG and clomiphene, which boost your natural testosterone levels, being monitored by a clinician within physiological norms,
00:37:03.000right, to try and make sure that we're optimizing my health, not trying to get jacked and tanned.
00:37:09.000Literally helped me go from 15 to, at the time, I think I dropped down to around 7%.
00:37:19.000And now I walk around 12 to 15. That's sustainable.
00:37:22.000And I think in my 40s, that's a level that makes sense to me.
00:37:28.000I think the way to do that is you don't wait for people to get chronically ill.
00:37:32.000I should have never been at 25% body fat.
00:37:35.000If we were getting proactive and predictive and we were truly doing deep dives into individuals and taking the time for our clinicians in this country to sit down and assess you at the biological level Then we can prevent these chronic diseases.
00:37:50.000And I'm not talking about through pharmaceutical intervention.
00:37:53.000We can prevent these through diet, lifestyle, nutrition, and helping teach the patient that there's a better way.
00:38:00.000And if we need to involve pharmaceutical intervention, it's there.
00:38:03.000There's options out there that can help patients kickstart their health and wellness, especially people in their 40s.
00:38:11.000So when you did this, how much time did it take overall from the original nutrition intervention to hormone optimization?
00:38:29.000Most insurance carriers in the U.S. don't practice preventative.
00:38:33.000So testosterone would be considered a lifestyle drug.
00:38:36.000The challenge with an issue like the DEA, if they really do over-regulate testosterone and shut telemedicine companies down from prescribing it, it's going to limit accessibility for these patients because primary carers don't want to prescribe it, right?
00:38:50.000And so they're going to pump them off to a urologist.
00:38:53.000Typically, for an insurance company to cover it, you've got to have two or more fasted blood tests of a testosterone below 250 nanograms per deciliter.
00:39:11.000So just to get the insurance coverage, you're talking six months to a year.
00:39:15.000And by then, that patient has been chronically ill, headed towards metabolic disease, diabetes.
00:39:22.000We know that testosterone is important to insulating us from certain types of cancer.
00:39:27.000It's important to our metabolic health, our bone mineral density, our lean muscle mass.
00:39:32.000All of these tie into Do you think that the reason why they make it very difficult to get hormone optimization is because if more people get hormone optimization, more people are not on these medications?
00:39:50.000I think somewhat, yes, but I also think the insurance model is an obstructionist model.
00:39:58.000I can give you a different example with the opioid crisis.
00:40:02.000There were non-addictive, non-abusive pain creams.
00:40:21.000There were ketamine-based pain creams that were topicals that could not be diverted or you couldn't extrapolate the ketamine out of it and abuse it.
00:40:30.000So nobody ever got high or stimulated from it because it's a cream that you can't extrapolate the ketamine out of.
00:40:39.000It just works locally to address that knee pain.
00:40:42.000Insurance, within 12 months, quit covering it.
00:40:44.000Because those creams cost hundreds of dollars, whereas an opioid's like, I think, $10 a month, right?
00:40:49.000And then the other thing you'll find is the pharmacy benefit managers, who the insurance companies own, have reimbursement deals on certain drugs.
00:40:59.000So when you get a drug, it's not because it's the best drug or the most efficacious drug.
00:41:04.000It's because the PBM, Pharmacy Benefit Manager, has negotiated a rebate and decided to place that drug on Tier 1 or Tier 2 based off their financial incentive in that drug.
00:41:16.000Testosterone's been on the market so long, it's compounded a million places.
00:41:20.000There is no rebate for the big pharmaceutical companies or the big insurance companies on testosterone.
00:41:31.000And so the more they can obstruct things that cost money but don't pay dividends back to them, they'll put obstructions in the way.
00:41:39.000So another example is not only did they shut down alternatives to opioids during an opioid crisis, they also cut lab reimbursements on toxicology screenings.
00:41:51.000At the same time that we're on an opioid bender as a nation, They got rid of the last safety net, which was if you come into a pain clinic asking for opioids, they're going to make you do a toxicology screen to make sure that you're not abusing other drugs,
00:42:07.000that you're not diverting the drug, that this medication's actually in your system.
00:42:11.000All of those reimbursements used to be covered by insurance companies, but they got rid of that.
00:42:16.000And so as soon as they got rid of that, there was no checks and balances.
00:43:25.000That puts everyone in a tough position.
00:43:27.000If we're going to allow people to work one place one month and then go work for the bad guys the following month, how can we regulate that?
00:44:04.000Jamie, pull up that tweet that I sent you from Jay Bhattacharya.
00:44:09.000So Michael Pollan, you know, he's highlighted the dangers of pesticides.
00:44:16.000The USDA funded a PR organization that worked with agricultural interests to downplay the harms of pesticides in farming and to compile defamatory dossiers on opponents of pesticide use.
00:45:23.000In 2017, two United Nations experts called for a treaty to strictly regulate dangerous pesticides, which they said were a global human rights concern, which, by the way, Roundup is illegal in a lot of countries, citing scientific research showing pesticides can cause cancers,
00:45:39.000Parkinson's disease, Alzheimer's, and other health problems.
00:45:42.000Publicly, the Pesticide Industry's lead trade association dubbed the recommendations unfounded and sensational assertions.
00:45:51.000But what's crazy is this is Monsanto, which is also Bayer.
00:45:56.000This is the company that knowingly infected people with HIV and shipped it to third world countries because their hemophilia drug had been contaminated.
00:46:08.000And they knew they'd get busted if they shipped it in the US. So they shipped it to third world countries and knowingly infected thousands of people with HIV. And we're trusting these people?
00:46:38.000Are hosted on an online private portal for pesticide company employees and a range of influential allies.
00:46:46.000Members can access a wide range of personal information about hundreds of individuals from around the world deemed a threat to industry interests, including the U.S. food writers Michael Pollan and Mark Brittman, the Indian environmentalist Vandana Shiva,
00:47:03.000and the Nigerian activist, you say that one, How do you say that?
00:47:17.000Many profiles include personal details such as the names of family members, phone numbers, home addresses, even house values.
00:47:26.000The profiling is part of an effort which is financed in part by U.S. taxpayer dollars to downplay pesticide dangers, discredit opponents, and undermine international policymaking according to court records, emails, and other documents obtained by the non-profit newsroom Lighthouse Reports.
00:47:45.000It corroborated with The Guardian, the new lead, Le Monde, Africa Uncensored, and Australian Broadcast Corporation, and other international media partners on the publication of this investigation.
00:47:56.000The efforts were spearheaded by a reputation management firm in Missouri called vFluence.
00:48:02.000The company provides services that it describes as intelligence gathering, proprietary data mining, and risk communications.
00:48:11.000The revelations demonstrate how industry advocates have established a private social network to counter resistance to pesticides and genetically modified crops in Africa, Europe, and parts of the world while also denigrating organic and other alternative farming methods.
00:48:31.000I mean, it doesn't, it's just, I think it was Jason during the testimony, he said, and this resonated with me, Do we need double-blind studies to know that chemicals we spray on pesticides and chemicals we spray on fields that cause disruption in mitochondria of insects and destroy them at the cellular level might possibly,
00:48:53.000can we at least say, might possibly create some sort of issue in other biological beings?
00:49:29.000And they just dropped bombs like they know.
00:49:32.000They're insiders from their space and they know.
00:49:35.000The only way it's going to affect people is these viral video clips have to go online and people have to share them on Facebook and Instagram and Twitter.
00:49:41.000Thank God they can, you know, because who knows if the government could clamp down on it the way they have in other countries.
00:49:48.000Other countries have severely clamped down, and there's been some real issues in America, but America still is the best place to distribute information.
00:49:56.000I mean, X is banned in Brazil right now, right?
00:50:00.000There's a lot of shenanigans going on all throughout the world where people are trying to control narratives, and it's fucking spooky.
00:50:08.000If we look at it, if we really look at it, if it wasn't for you, I would have never met RFK. And if it wasn't for coming on your show, I would have never got my message out there.
00:50:18.000If it wasn't for Tucker's podcast, Callie would have never got his message out there.
00:51:27.000It's almost like a fairy tale that they've told the American people that, hey, if it's an FDA-approved product and it's in a hospital or your doctor tells you it's good as gold, it's science.
00:51:40.000A lot of these doctors, unfortunately, are ignorant as to all these other remedies that are effective.
00:51:46.000I can tell you working with primary cares, there's some of the hardest working, most patient focused folks out there and they're just tired.
00:53:30.000The doctor's like, I don't know what you're doing, and there are Dozens of NFL athletes we've worked with, I don't think any of them, other than Aaron Rodgers, has told their doctor that they're working with us.
00:53:41.000Like, big name athletes, but they're scared of the team doctor.
00:53:43.000Yeah, well, kudos to Aaron, because the team doctor was trying to tell him to avoid all that stuff, including stem cells.
00:53:54.000I think they don't have time to do the deep dives.
00:53:56.000Most doctors, how much peer-reviewed literature do you think most doctors who are in orthopedic surgeons, who are in practice, how much are they absorbing?
00:54:04.000How much time do they have between malpractice insurance, between medical school bills that they're in debt with, between the overhead that they have to run their practice?
00:54:14.000I mean, they have to get people in and out of the office quickly.
00:54:17.000Well, and you also go back to who funds studies and who funds...
00:54:20.000When I worked as a med device rep, I can tell you we funded studies, but those studies were going to be focused on and geared towards moving our products.
00:54:29.000And so we didn't have a stem cell or biological product because we sold hardware and we wanted ACL surgery, shoulder surgeries, knee surgeries, because that's how the company made its living.
00:54:43.000And so, again, it wasn't that we were against it or trying to destroy it.
00:54:47.000It was more of, if you can trivialize it and focus on what makes you your check, that's where everyone's at.
00:54:53.000And everyone's so compartmentalized, it's easy to almost have plausible deniability.
00:54:58.000So, like, somebody comes in to a primary care, and they're overweight, and they're diabetic, and they're anxious, and they're not sleeping.
00:55:07.000The doctor's gonna write them five drugs and push them out the door, not because they're a bad person, but because that is how we teach clinicians to practice medicine in this country.
00:56:00.000It is amazing, and it's unfortunate that this kind of resource is not available to more people, where more people don't have access to a doctor that's going to look at them comprehensively, look at their whole body.
00:56:12.000If you're going to take care of your yard, if you're trying to grow plants in your yard, and your trees are all dying, your vegetables weren't growing, if you have the resources, you can go to a botanist.
00:56:22.000Or you could go to someone who understands farming, someone who's a scientist, and you could say, what's wrong?
00:56:31.000He was trying to put a garden in his house in Brooklyn.
00:56:36.000And they found that leaded gasoline from all those years, from like the 1960s, all those years where they used leaded gasoline in Brooklyn, because it's polluted, all that shit had gotten so deep in the soil That his backyard was contaminated with leaded gasoline.
00:56:56.000And so you have to do a detox on the backyard.
00:57:00.000So there's certain plants that you can plant that can help in that process.
00:57:03.000There's certain treatments to the soil that can help in that process.
00:57:55.000So at the cellular level, we can tell you when you're at stage zero on a cancer, up to seven years prior to you developing cancer, on over 200 different types of cancer, why would that not be implemented into our healthcare system?
00:58:09.000Or at minimal, what I argued with the senator about was, okay, Let's just say we can't afford this for all Americans.
00:58:17.000Why in the hell wouldn't we at minimal be doing this for our firefighters, our military veterans?
00:58:22.000We know that over 70% of firefighters and military veterans will develop cancer in their lifetime.
00:58:27.000It's staggering because of dealing with ballistics and weapons and guns and all those are carcinogens.
00:58:33.000Firefighters are dealing with smoke and smoke inhalation and all the different chemicals they come in contact with.
00:58:39.000I never thought about that in terms of guns, like shooting guns.
00:58:43.000Like when you shoot guns, like if you go to a range and shoot guns, like how much toxic chemicals are you absorbing?
00:58:50.000Well, all that gets in your skin and gets absorbed through the skin, so there are carcinogens in all of those things.
01:00:50.000Like, I will say, right now, the right is talking about this because of Bobby Kennedy, and I know that Trump is wanting to meet next week as a health expo to dive in and try and understand from people in the industry what's going on behind the scenes and how we're headed towards this chronic disease crisis.
01:01:08.000But what gets scarier is if we don't get this under wraps, we've got a rapidly aging patient population.
01:01:14.000We have a rapid decline in the amount of primary cares.
01:01:18.000You know, I talked about this last time.
01:01:19.000We're going to have a 30% shortage in primary cares, and it already takes three months to get in with a primary care.
01:01:32.000There's a lot of people that vehemently disagree with a lot of this stuff, and there's a lot of people online, like the people that write the articles, the woo-woo stuff.
01:02:48.000And they are fully convinced that all of his negative character traits, all these negative things are unbefitting to a president, and therefore he shouldn't be president.
01:03:14.000I don't think you get to the top of any heap unless you're out of your fucking mind.
01:03:19.000And you could be out of your mind in a vicious sort of demeaning, attacking all your enemies way like Trump is.
01:03:29.000And it's still the same drive is what led that guy to deal with this shit for four years where they were trying to put him in jail so that he doesn't run again and still run again.
01:03:39.000And they try to kill him twice and he's still running.
01:03:50.000And my point is, the only way you get someone who's not affected by that is you have to have an insane person.
01:03:58.000It's literally the best tool for the job, because everybody else, all the 34 counts, which were not felonies, which they upgraded from a misdemeanor, which passed the statute of limitations, all of them were bookkeeping errors or mislabeling things,
01:04:31.000You're doing this at the same time where ICE admits that what are the numbers of murderers and convicted criminals that have made it into this country?
01:06:53.000Everyone else, look, you imagine if you're born in Guatemala, wouldn't you want to come over here and get a job as a landscaper?
01:06:58.000Fuck, you could make $600 a week, $700 a week, oh my god, and then you live in a family, in a house with a bunch of people, which they're used to doing anyway, and then someone branches off and makes their own business, and all of a sudden you're living the American dream.
01:08:36.000Either we want cheap labor, and this is what Tim Dillon thinks.
01:08:39.000He thinks that the cheap labor market for construction and all these jobs that most people don't want to do anymore, it's falling off a cliff.
01:08:45.000And the best way to sustain those industries is to bring in cheap labor, and the best way to do that is to bring in migrant workers.
01:08:52.000Because they're willing to do jobs that a lot of people won't.
01:08:54.000And this is the positive side of like Springfield, Ohio, where people talk about the Haitians that moved there.
01:08:59.000The people that employ these Haitians say these people are hard workers.
01:09:11.000You can't make it insanely difficult for a college-educated person from Norway to move here because they want to do – literally, like, when Chamath was on, he explained that when he was over here going through his visa process, they had to show that he was doing something that an American couldn't do.
01:09:30.000You have to be someone of exceptional skill.
01:09:37.000I mean, you can get a green card and eventually become a U.S. citizen.
01:09:40.000But it's a long process and a difficult process because every year when you go to get your visa renewed, you're at the whim of this person.
01:09:50.000Who knows if their fucking wife just started fucking the mailman and they found out about it and she drained their bank account and he's like, fuck you!
01:11:01.000It includes individuals who entered the country over the past 40 years or more, the vast majority of whose custody determination was made long before this administration.
01:11:10.000Okay, but you are still saying that those people are here.
01:11:15.000Noted in his letter that ICE is bound by statutory requirements not to release certain non-citizens from its custody during the pendency of removal proceedings.
01:11:24.000He added that most non-citizens who are convicted of homicide are typically not eligible for release from ICE custody.
01:11:33.000Like, listen, if you fucking kill people, if you're an illegal alien and you sneak across the border and you kill Americans, how about nobody's eligible for release?
01:11:45.000Well, I mean, if you think about it, if you're a felon in the United States, you're not allowed to vote.
01:11:49.000So wouldn't it make sense that we don't accept, you know, somebody with a criminal record into the United States?
01:11:55.000Like we have, you know, we have a lot of fights that we're already fighting and a lot of budgetary restraints as a society that we can't really dig ourselves out of the hole with right now.
01:12:07.000Bill, we have so much money for Ukraine.
01:12:09.000It may be shocking to hear the Biden-Harris administration is actively releasing tens of thousands of criminal illegal aliens into our communities, but their own numbers conclusively prove this to be the case.
01:12:18.000This defies all common sense, read a statement.
01:12:22.000Newsweek has contacted the Harris campaign for comment via email outside of standard working hours.
01:13:00.000Congressional Republicans voted against them twice.
01:13:02.000Democratic presidential candidate added, we took executive action to reduce unlawful border crossings.
01:13:07.000See, this is the thing that gets weird.
01:13:09.000It's like, you know, they say that Trump, the Biden administration is trying to say that Trump blocked some sort of border wall bill because he wanted it to be something that he could campaign against.
01:13:21.000So he instructed the Republicans to vote against it.
01:13:27.000I don't know if that's true or not, but it's the possibility of that being on the table.
01:13:32.000I'm not accusing anyone of doing that, but imagine a world where a person could conspire, and I'm not saying they did, but a person could conspire to make something happen because that would be something that they could campaign against.
01:14:14.000And the fact that he signed it and sent it to him, took time out of his day to have someone draft a letter, probably didn't type it himself, have someone draft the letter and send it to Mark Cuban in the mail.
01:14:53.000This is from 2004. Mr. Mark Cuban, Dear Mark, I'm truly sorry to hear that your show has been canceled for lack of ratings.
01:15:01.000When I initially called you to congratulate you on The Benefactor, little did you or I realize how disastrous and embarrassing it would turn out for you.
01:15:13.000If you ever decide to do another show, please call me and I'll be happy to lend a helping hand.
01:16:11.000I'm I'm for team humanity I am for I am too and we work together to solve the problem and whoever wins whether Trump or Kamala I hope that we can continue the momentum in the dialogue and I hope that you know we can truly have an open conversation that gains traction and what I love about it being Public is it's forever memorialized in public record.
01:16:36.000Yes, and I think it will and especially in today's day with I've seen so many videos sent me of your testimony And I've had them recommended to me on Instagram to from accounts.
01:16:46.000I don't even follow so it's getting around but I think what's also interesting is that social chaos is It unveils things.
01:17:12.000There's a lot of silent loves that guy people.
01:17:15.000Because they realize there's not a lot of other options out of this other than a fucking crazy person who would write Mark Cuban a letter like that.
01:17:24.000You need to be insane to pull this off.
01:17:29.000And you might need to be insane in a way that you or I would find distasteful.
01:17:32.000It is insanity, because even at a smaller level, just testifying in front of the Senate, the level of hate and just, like, misrepresentations of truth.
01:17:41.000I don't even want to call it lies, but to me it's lies.
01:17:44.000The level of, like, misrepresentation and taking things out of context, and it just...
01:17:52.000It just doesn't seem genuine and it doesn't seem like people are really fighting for truth.
01:18:47.000If you don't think that there's companies in America that we're not aware of that organize social media campaigns and have bots attack certain individuals like yourself for having a dangerous narrative, If you don't think that,
01:19:04.000But what's insane to me, Joe, is what part of saying, hey, we need to better understand how we're growing our food, how we're processing our food, how we're preserving our food.
01:19:15.000Maybe leftover petrochemicals aren't the best way to preserve our food products in America.
01:19:21.000You're not allowing that in other nations, and we're looking at the data, the statistics, and the numbers, and we're saying something's not right.
01:19:28.000The point of that conversation was to say, today's the day we start the dialogue.
01:19:33.000You know, the journey of a thousand steps starts with one.
01:19:36.000And I look at it and say, my message was, how do we fix this?
01:19:41.000Well, we start by acknowledging there's a fucking problem in the first place.
01:19:45.000This is just about money and just about justifying the things that you're saying, the narratives that you're pushing to try to get that money.
01:19:52.000If they came out with an article If someone did a peer-reviewed study that showed that if you drink exactly 13 glasses of water a day, you never get sick and you never get cancer, there would be articles the next day saying if everyone drinks 13 gallons of water or 13 glasses of water a day,
01:20:09.000there'll be no water for black people and people of color and indigenous people.
01:20:13.000The trans people would die of dehydration and the wells would dry up and then the crops and we're not gonna have food and there's a lot of impoverished people.
01:20:21.000You don't need 13 glasses of water a day.
01:20:24.000There would be some sort of a justification.
01:20:27.000If you came up with some sort of a diet that you could follow and everyone would live to be 150, there would be an article about how dangerous it is to tell people to stay healthy.
01:20:35.000Because if we all live to be 150, the resources will all be dobbled up.
01:21:18.000The patient's getting a deep dive into over 70 biomarkers, an hour on the phone with a clinician.
01:21:24.000The only way I can scale this and make it better for people and more cost effective is AI and large language models, which is what I'm rapidly running towards, which even in that Hatchet Job article, she says, and he's illegally using AI to prescribe, I'm not prescribing medicine using AI. Yeah,
01:22:18.000They have used AI right now to diagnose diseases that people miss.
01:22:23.000They believe that AI is going to allow to assess breast cancer in a much more effective way because it can do something with visuals that human beings can't see with the naked eye because you're detecting things.
01:22:34.000AI is going to be able to have a much, much higher percentage of Of a chance of catching that cancer.
01:22:41.000Even at a great cash pay clinic, you know, like I think Ways to Well is a phenomenal clinic.
01:22:46.000I think there's hundreds, if not thousands, of phenomenal cash pay clinics.
01:22:52.000In any of those practices, the clinician has to do a chart review before you come in.
01:22:57.000That's going to take them at least 20 minutes if they're doing a good job.
01:23:00.000Then they're going to spend 45 minutes to an hour with you, walking you through everything in your chart, what they saw, family history, genetics, epigenetics, cross-reference that with blood work.
01:23:24.000You log into the app and you ask Alan.
01:23:27.000Alan, hey, remind me again, what was my blood work on testosterone?
01:23:31.000And then Alan's going to tell you, and then you can ask this AI anything.
01:23:36.000And it is backed by all the peer-reviewed journal studies, white paper studies, all the data that we've loaded in that has been cross-referenced by our clinical team, and we're guiding that.
01:23:46.000It's not an open architecture, but we're allowing it to essentially help practice medicine in a way that we believe is the appropriate approach to medicine.
01:23:57.000I just think in the future it's going to be the way of the future and it'll allow us to get cost-effective.
01:24:01.000This is how crazy the world is that something that straightforward, the way you laid it out so brilliantly, someone could label that as bad or woo or woo-woo.
01:24:10.000Because you would know the AI, imagine the world where, and again, sword cuts both ways, every tool can be good or bad, but what I'm envisioning is AI monitoring you 24-7, tying into your wearables.
01:24:22.000We know your REM sleep, your heart rate variability.
01:24:24.000You've gone through and you've done a DEXA. I know how much lean muscle mass you have, how much visceral fat, how much subcutaneous fat.
01:24:31.000I have your epigenetics, your genetics all loaded in.
01:25:36.000It is purely based on how do I get my money from CVS? How do I get my money from United?
01:25:43.000It's not meant to be a tool that helps drive health span and health care.
01:25:48.000But if we vertically integrate pharmacy software with the medical practices software, with the AI, the rareables, the REM sleep, it then knows what date Joe started...
01:26:00.000Glutathione or whatever, a peptide or whatever it is.
01:26:03.000And we're going to see if we can track a marked improvement in heart rate variability, REM sleep, and all those variables.
01:26:09.000And then at the end of a year, we reassess you proactively and personalized through a DEXA and a VO2 max.
01:26:15.000And we say, look, Joe, you gained one pound of lean muscle mass.
01:26:18.000You didn't put on any additional body fat.
01:26:20.000Your visceral body fat is at an all-time low.
01:26:23.000Your chronic disease score is an A+. We do not think you're headed towards a chronic disease.
01:27:50.000And that it would be more cost-effective, you could use technology, and you could have a much more comprehensive understanding of your health, and that gets attacked.
01:28:23.000One of the things that RFK said that I think it really did resonate with me was we have to stop.
01:28:30.000We have to start loving our kids more than we hate each other and seeing like I won't name it, but I know a little girl who struggles with her weight, and I look at that, and this kid is doing all she can.
01:28:44.000And it's hard to tell a little kid, like, your friends can eat that candy, but you can't.
01:28:49.000Everyone in school is drinking their soft drinks and all these things, and it's bad for all of them.
01:28:54.000It's just some kids are metabolically showing it sooner, you know?
01:29:41.000And that's where the GLP-1s, where I do say, like, morbidly obese, chronically ill, diabetic, pre-diabetic, patients headed over a cliff, it has been rebranded as a lifestyle drug for any girl who's trying to lose weight for spring break.
01:29:57.000And it is dangerous to say that there is no risk-reward to prescribe that in children.
01:30:02.000We don't know the long-term ramifications.
01:30:05.000It's a little bit different risk analysis when we're talking about a chronically ill obese patient in their 40s headed towards chronic disease crisis that's going to kill them.
01:30:45.000You could disagree all day long, but What you're saying is so straightforward and so beneficial to everyone across the board.
01:30:53.000If there's anything that you would want in life, like, have you ever been sick, real sick, and you're like, God damn it, I can't wait to be better again.
01:31:00.000It doesn't matter if you're rich, it doesn't matter if you're happily married, you love your job.
01:31:04.000If you're fucking dying, you're in bed and you literally can barely get up to pee, and then you crushed and you lay back down in bed, you go, oh, what did I do to fuck this up?
01:31:17.000I am going to fucking get back on track.
01:31:19.000A lot of people don't, but some people actually do.
01:31:23.000They actually do realize at that moment, like, I can't let this happen again.
01:31:26.000Like, whatever I did to my immune system, pulling all-nighters, working at the job fucking 16 hours a day, and then you get, like, a horrible flu, and you're bedridden for two weeks.
01:31:49.000If you told a person who's worth, like, Bill Gates money, if you said to Bill Gates, hey, you know, you could have the flu for the rest of your life and keep all that money, or give it all up.
01:31:58.000You're going to have to start from scratch, but you'll be healthy.
01:32:00.000He would give it all up and start from scratch.
01:32:06.000I sit at dinners when I get the opportunity to be with my family and I look around the table and I really do think, Joe, ever since losing my brother, I am so present in those moments.
01:32:18.000And I just want everyone to be healthy.
01:32:22.000And I want to be able to watch people live happy lives.
01:32:26.000And all the data and numbers and statistics, they're so overwhelming that people lull over.
01:32:32.000And that's why in front of the Senate, I brought it back to, I'm just going to talk about people.
01:32:36.000I didn't even talk about statistics because there were way smarter people out there than me from Harvard, Stanford, all these academic types that are brilliant.
01:32:44.000And I'm like, but at the end of the day, guys, if the Senate doesn't understand, these are your children, your wives, your brothers, your sisters, your husbands, your wives.
01:33:48.000How much of an effort has been put forth after the whole Sackler family crisis and the opioid crisis to mitigate the amount of these things that are prescribed?
01:34:01.000I think a tremendous amount, but the problem is then you swing that pendulum to over-regulation and you've created a drug addict in the marketplace and all those addicts turned to fentanyl and black market products.
01:35:31.000You know, they are glorified drug dealers monetizing people's chronic disease and they have such a stranglehold over academia, the universities, they fund most of the studies, the NIH. I mean, we just systematically go down from the food system to the government regulatory bodies to the enforcement committees to everything they control,
01:36:12.000It wasn't, oh, ha ha ha, gotcha, I'm going to bust these people.
01:36:15.000It was more of, let me try and understand the other side and try and see what we could have said that would have been so inflammatory because the message is...
01:36:33.000That's, I think, also a real problem with liberals during this election.
01:36:37.000The concept of make America healthy again is so bipartisan and so universal and so clear in the fact that the Republicans are running with it.
01:37:10.000about censoring people and that everything's just gone so topsy-turvy that to have the left be against a movement even you what you should be saying is yeah fuck Trump but This Make America Healthy Again thing, it's a good idea.
01:37:49.000And when we peel back the layers, BlackRock, Vanguard, that own the majority shares of these pharmaceutical companies, that own the majority shares of most of the media outlets, that own the left and the right, they push agendas and they can control everything essentially except podcasts and free speech.
01:38:04.000And that's one of the things that Jordan Peterson said in a meeting the night before we testified was he implored us to stop trying to cater to The mainstream media because he said it's a lost cause.
01:38:17.000I hate to say that to you guys, but the world is giving up on them.
01:38:21.000Why are you guys wasting your time with them?
01:38:23.000Focus on podcasts, books, areas where you can truly, in a long-form format, expose the truth and ask and respond to hard-hitting questions.
01:38:34.000And we talked about you and your platform, and this is...
01:38:39.000People try to label it as misinformation at times.
01:39:48.000I went to bed and I want to say I had 1.3 million views.
01:39:52.000And I posted a rebuttal about one of the periodicals that was misrepresentative.
01:39:59.000And I just posted, hey, Not a fair assessment of what happened today.
01:40:03.0002,000 American people traveled from around the country to sit and hear an open dialogue that was bipartisan, backed by some of the best and brightest minds in medicine.
01:40:13.000Harvard, Stanford, Stedman Hawkins, all were present.
01:40:17.000This was not a bunch of influencers, blah, blah, blah.
01:40:22.000Woke up the next day and all the momentum was gone.
01:40:25.000We still, I think, are sitting at 1.3 million.
01:40:28.000I don't believe, and then Casey got messaged, hey, they'll de-platform you, be careful if you start naming specific news outlets, and I still believe that somehow we got de-algorithmed or de-prioritized after we began to push back On the media for the stuff they were saying.
01:40:54.000And I wonder, like, at what level they can manipulate things at Google and at YouTube.
01:40:59.000I mean, there's a level that they can actively suppress videos and they can actively suppress social media accounts and social media posts.
01:41:08.000You know, when my special was gonna go live on Instagram, or on Netflix rather, on Instagram, Cam Haynes put a thing in his story saying that it was gonna go live, and they said that he couldn't mention me.
01:41:57.000And, you know, you could use whatever label.
01:41:59.000You could say the advertisers don't want to advertise on this because it's a controversial subject and that's the problem.
01:42:05.000Okay, if that's all it is, but then it should still get a lot of views.
01:42:09.000So if you want to withhold advertising, But the views are substantial.
01:42:15.000That means that it's really being shared in a normal way with something so outrageous and something that gains that much momentum that quickly.
01:42:22.000It doesn't make sense that Peter's out that quick.
01:43:17.000Let's talk about the issues and stop trying to make this left or right like it's not.
01:43:21.000But they're smart in that all they need is one or two articles in a respected publication to cite, to point towards the fact that this is misinformation.
01:43:30.000And someone from whatever organization would look at that and gloss over it and look like, oh yeah, we'll suppress that.
01:43:38.000When I even think one step further, I feel like...
01:43:41.000I feel like, for example, the New York Post article, I honestly, the way they worded that, they tried to make it sound like I'm just a regular on your podcast and I come on here and just shit all over the FDA. And I'm like, I'm doing my best to be transparent and say they're at a disadvantage,
01:43:58.000they're underfunded, they didn't build this model, they were put in this model.
01:44:03.000And they're doing their best to navigate, but they're underfunded, understaffed, and chronically corrupted.
01:44:10.000By the environment itself, but I would tell you the same thing with academia, the same thing with hospital systems.
01:44:18.000Also, the people that work in the FDA, if you've been working in the FDA for four years, how much of a dent do you think you could put in the momentum of the machine that's behind you?
01:44:30.000And that's just the reality of being a human being, and you go, hey, I do my best.
01:44:34.000Most of those people, like most people, they're good people.
01:44:39.000Most people in all walks of life are good people.
01:44:41.000But sometimes good people do bad things because they can or because they have to.
01:44:46.000The biggest thing I saw in healthcare was doctors were exhausted, whether orthopedic surgeons, neurosurgeons, you know, I mean, I told you this, my buddy, he's a prominent sports medicine surgeon.
01:44:57.000He's a team doctor for multiple teams.
01:44:59.000You know, he's had highest positions at hospital systems.
01:45:03.000Even he says, what am I going to do, man?
01:45:10.000I've got to do a certain amount of surgeries to make all of this flow and work.
01:45:15.000And I've got to hold my team accountable for the amount of surgeries and their volumes.
01:45:19.000And you're never supposed to make it about volumes.
01:45:21.000But all of these hospital systems are incentivized off volume metrics that are based off...
01:45:27.000Cranking out the most amount of surgeries and so there is a tremendous amount of pressure from the top down and with insurance companies dwindling reimbursements and dwindling like even primary care reimbursements, but also surgical reimbursements, you're not going to be able to innovate.
01:48:53.000There's a lot of claims with wildfires.
01:48:55.000There's not that many claims with landslides, but this is one that was like...
01:48:58.000California has some real natural disaster problems, and the big one happens every 20, 30 years and hasn't happened since 1993. The earthquake thing.
01:49:11.000Yeah, that fucking thing that happens over there all the time where everything fucking shakes and houses fall down and like, highways pancake.
01:49:20.000I came, the first time I ever came to Hollywood, I was doing this thing for MTV and I came out here right after the earthquakes in 93. And I was like, this is nuts, man.
01:49:30.000I remember driving by a highway that had collapsed on another highway.
01:50:40.000And the earth is literally throwing things and moving.
01:50:43.000That's way scarier to me than hurricanes.
01:50:45.000The biggest one I've ever been in was a small one.
01:50:47.000It was like a 5.5 and they said it was actually an aftershock of the Northridge earthquake.
01:50:52.000But it was right after I moved to LA. So it was like 94. I was sitting in my apartment.
01:50:58.000And all of a sudden, my apartment moved like a refrigerator box.
01:51:03.000You know, if you're a kid, you'd play, like someone got a new refrigerator, your kids would play in the box and fuck around, make a little hut out of it.
01:51:09.000You know, carve little windows out of it and shit.
01:52:43.000You and I talk about that when you go hunting and by day two or three, you almost feel like you're more aware, more in tune to every noise, you feel the temperature more, everything gets enhanced.
01:53:55.000Well, you know, it's all these interests and I think the social chaos aspect of today, this is what I find interesting because I think it forces these kind of conversations.
01:54:05.000It forces people to deal with these problems.
01:54:09.000Instead of like this healthcare issue being this insidious, never talked about thing that slowly crept up and just became ingrained in society to the point where everybody just accepted it.
01:54:18.000Instead of that, You have this rebellion.
01:54:20.000And you do have this Make America Healthy Again movement, which everyone should embrace, but yet it becomes ideologically captured by the right somehow.
01:54:31.000And if you are with that, if you think, hey, that's a great idea those guys have.
01:54:35.000I know they suck when it comes to women's right to choose.
01:54:38.000They suck when it comes to whatever, fill in the blanks.
01:54:41.000But I like what they're saying about this.
01:55:03.000You have it in your stand-up bit, and that part where you talk about politics, that's 100% how I feel, and that's how almost everybody I know feels.
01:55:13.000It's a lie that we all believe the Republicans are the Democrats.
01:56:43.000You could get, at minimal, blood work twice a year, comprehensive consult, one hour deep dive into your biologics, and we could treat the root cause of the issue.
01:56:54.000Because I said this on Jillian's podcast with GLP-1s.
01:56:59.000I'm still a believer in them when utilized appropriately.
01:57:02.000But prescribing a GLP-1, a weight loss drug, Without talking about diet, lifestyle, and nutrition, it's like brushing your teeth while eating fucking Oreos.
01:57:12.000But what I'm saying is that just the concept of getting all these things out of our food supply, making people healthy, getting people off of all these prescription drugs, making people more metabolically healthy...
01:57:25.000We're so stupid with our tribal shit that just that concept has been pushed into the realm of right-wing.
01:58:29.000What gives me hope is the Democrats were in that meeting and there were Democrat senators that were interested and I don't believe that it's the Democrats.
01:58:37.000I believe it's an agenda beyond the Democrats and it's not.
01:58:40.000I just think people are trying to intentionally create that strife and that separation and I don't believe it's the Democratic Party.
01:58:48.000I believe it's people attempting to hijack the Democratic Party and attempting to trivialize this message by portraying it as A political agenda rather than the facts of life of where we're at as a nation.
01:59:25.000And then they have a John Legend COVID vaccine commercial where he talks about how he says, I'll protect myself from COVID while he's fucking playing the piano.
01:59:35.000And he like rolls down his sleeve to show you a fucking band-aid.
01:59:40.000But the insanity of it is, Joe, let's even look at COVID. If we look at the people that died of COVID, it was because of chronic disease and comorbidity.
01:59:51.000Which goes back to when we talk about it, and one of the things that's built into the new Ways to Well AI algorithm app that monitors your blood work is a calculation on your all-cause mortality risk.
02:00:02.000The goal is to drive down all-cause mortality risk.
02:00:06.000What people don't understand is if you're like you, a physically fit, lean muscle mass, low body fat, healthy individual...
02:00:13.000It reduces your risk of everything that could kill you.
02:01:23.000It's also hard even in the system when you're separate from politics.
02:01:26.000When you're in there, there's local politics, right?
02:01:29.000You're in a hospital system, you're a primary care.
02:01:32.000Man, you start writing a lot of testosterone and treating your patients, you're going to have the urology section of your hospital pissed off.
02:01:38.000Because they're going to go, what the hell is this primary care doing this?
02:02:27.000If we don't want to do the double-blind studies and the research, and I get it, and it's hard to do, and it's confusing, but at minimal...
02:02:34.000We can follow the guidance of countries who have better health standards than the U.S. has today.
02:02:38.000Just think about what you said about war.
02:02:40.000Think about what you said about the American people, how many die from chronic disease every year.
02:02:45.000And think about how much money we have spent on a war that we're not even in.
02:02:51.000I mean, what was the overall, what's the latest?
02:02:54.000Didn't they just send another few billion, a little bit here, a little bit there?
02:02:58.000I mean, I wonder how much they set aside for those people in North Carolina and Tennessee from that hurricane, because those people are fucked.
02:05:20.000This is crazy that they're saying, now, think about allocating that kind of money towards healthcare.
02:05:27.000102, the death toll from the deadliest wildfire in over a century has risen to 102. Yeah, but what I asked you is, what did the governor say about acquiring the land?
02:05:48.000One of the things – and again, I don't know enough to – I'm curious because I know you've interviewed a lot of smarter people than me.
02:05:57.000I was told that one of the leverage points for the Ukraine in order to get funding was to put up land as collateral through...
02:06:06.000Like, their farmland is put up as collateral on the loans that are being provided, and those loans are essentially being provided by these big conglomerates.
02:07:41.000It's like, the whole thing is so bonkers.
02:07:43.000That's where all of this gets so hard.
02:07:44.000It's like, I want to believe there's truth in that we have somewhere where we still have integrity and honesty and transparency.
02:07:55.000It doesn't mean you always get it right.
02:07:57.000But even redacting the articles doesn't happen.
02:08:00.000It's only in independent journalism now.
02:08:02.000You get that from Michael Schellenberger, Matt Taibbi, Glenn Greenwald.
02:08:06.000You get that from those type of people.
02:08:08.000You don't get that from anywhere else anymore.
02:08:10.000And it's good that we have those type of people, that they're there and they'll hold people accountable and tell you the real numbers of things and You know, and give you the facts behind what caused conflicts, not just report on the conflicts, but explain to you what happened.
02:08:24.000A fact check I found, I think this is what he said.
02:08:27.000He said, I'm already thinking about ways for the state to acquire that land so we could put it into workforce housing, to put it back into families, or to make it open spaces in perpetuity as memorial to people who are lost.
02:08:38.000That is a crazy thing to say, because as soon as you say, state to acquire that land, and we'll decide the awesome things to do with it.
02:08:46.000That's now, you took very, very, very valuable land, and you could say, hey, we're going to sell it to a resort, and the resort is going to donate to all these wonderful funds.
02:08:57.000How many people are missing from the fire, Jamie?
02:10:01.000But as I was coming home from the comedy store, as I was driving to my house, the whole right side of the highway over the tops of the hills was in flame.
02:10:11.000Like, all the hills, like, as you get, like, woodland hills and shit, in flames.
02:10:40.000When this cop told me, this firefighter rather told me when we were doing Fear Factor once, He goes, one day.
02:10:45.000He goes, one day a fire is going to hit the right conditions with the right wind and it's going to burn through LA all the way to the ocean.
02:11:04.000Do they, I don't know enough about, do they do control burns and all that in California now to try and stop, like create stopgaps and all that for the fires?
02:11:11.000Or how does that, how do they even do that?
02:12:55.000What it says right here is, within a day, I'm reading it, 388 names of people unaccounted for following the deadliest U.S. wildfires in more than a century.
02:13:07.000More than 100 of them or their relatives came forward to say they're safe.
02:13:50.000So that's good that there was less people die, that's for sure.
02:13:53.000But it's still fucked that they're trying to take the land.
02:13:56.000And what they're doing is they're making it very difficult for these people to rebuild.
02:14:00.000And most of them haven't even started yet.
02:14:02.000Well, and then I know, too, I mean, it's taken forever for people to get their insurance claims and their money, and that happens even here with hurricanes.
02:14:22.000I had a, during a hurricane in Houston at our pharmacy, I had a tree damage the roof, but then it wasn't covered by flood insurance because they said it was wind-driven rain.
02:14:35.000Anyways, it was like $60,000 in damage that the insurance didn't cover.
02:14:41.000Because they could say it's wind-driven rain, not rising water.
02:14:48.000Yeah, they have different ways of loop pulling out of paying your coverage.
02:14:53.000And so for somebody who's, it's their house, you know, who maybe doesn't have the money to fight the insurance companies, they just put a tarp on the roof and live with it as long as they can until they can afford to fix it.
02:17:29.000There's a small percentage of those, and they fucked the numbers up.
02:17:33.000So if you want to say that, like, migrants statistically, like, okay, okay, statistically, but statistically, that's not what we're talking about.
02:17:40.000We're talking about there's no justification for letting in murderers.
02:17:44.000Mark Twain, there's lies, there's damn lies, and then there's statistics.
02:18:09.000They just let them walk out with TVs, they just gotta make sure it's under like 1200 bucks or something.
02:18:14.000Apparently San Francisco, according to some people that I know that are living there, is getting better because of AI. So Chamath was saying that when the super nerds are running things, everything's great.
02:18:26.000But as soon as the mid-level people start taking over, they get through with ideology.
02:18:31.000They get through with progressive virtue signaling, and that's how they get ahead, because they're mostly mediocre people.
02:18:37.000And so when they start to get a grip of the city, you're kind of fucked.
02:18:41.000But if the AI becomes the dominant force in the industry again, then the super nerds will be back in control again.
02:18:47.000And if the super nerds are in control, they'll fix all these things.
02:18:58.000I wonder, even with AI, like, as we get down to that, like you were talking about, it's a way more complex conversation than today, but, like, what are they gonna do with the massive displacements in jobs between AI and robotics and humanoid robots?
02:19:11.000I mean, there's ten companies out there that are launching robots, not just Elon, and those are backed by ChatGPT and large language models that are rapidly approaching the level of human knowledge and intellect that Of the average human.
02:20:14.000And that's a real technology that's available now.
02:20:17.000And it should be available if there's a situation where there's a fucking terrorist and he's in a house and he's got a suicide vest and you can use Wi-Fi to locate him and know exactly where he is and you protect all these other people.
02:20:28.000So that's justification for having some kind of technology in the hands of some intelligence agents.
02:20:34.000But, you know, if you're using it to gather dirt on old Brigham, because Brigham's got a big old mouth when he's talking about the pharmaceutical drug, and, you know, you have a fucking group of people that are working to put together a dossier on you.
02:20:48.000It's nuts, and it's, like, right out in the open.
02:20:51.000Well, with the AI and the way things are headed, too, though, like, when we talk about displacement of jobs, so many people think it's going to be, like...
02:21:54.000Like in Viktor Frankl's A Man's Search for Meaning, he survived that Nazi concentration camp because he had a purpose, a higher calling.
02:22:01.000I can tell you, when I'm just eating shit sandwiches and getting my head stomped in, right now running these companies, over 300 employees, DEA, FDA, You know, fighting big pharma, all the things we battle.
02:22:15.000There are a lot of days I go to bed with anxiety and stress, but I go to bed feeling like I'm really on the right side of something positive.
02:22:24.000When I was a device rep, I made good money.
02:22:28.000But I went to bed miserable every night, and I felt like I'm just kind of a pawn and a scheme, and we're not really making an impact.
02:22:35.000So I go back to, I think people, humans, we need a purpose.
02:22:39.000And so that scares me the most, is a lot of people's purpose, if it's not being a mother or a father or a sibling, they find purpose in their trade and their craft and their job.
02:22:52.000So what do we do when— That's a really good question.
02:22:56.000If you wanted to look at it long term, if you're being objective and not taking into account human emotions and suffering and the disruption of lives that it's undeniably going to cause, if you just wanted to look at us objectively, you would say this is an inevitable transition,
02:23:11.000a very painful transition into a technological world.
02:23:14.000And human beings are going to have to adapt.
02:23:16.000And if this was available to them when they were babies, they would have adapted to exist in that world.
02:23:23.000They would have found things to do for a living that only humans can do.
02:23:27.000Because they're very personal things that only humans can do.
02:23:30.000There's always going to be a market for handmade things.
02:23:33.000There's always going to be a market for...
02:23:34.000I like a painting that I know the guy who made it.
02:26:46.000Well, and then they have that hormone dump.
02:26:47.000I think they were saying the male primates are like five or six years old, so they become really hard to domesticate or keep as a pet because they get violent.
02:26:55.000I mean, that's their way of communicating.
02:28:48.000But you also live in that imaginary world where you've created this character and then at what point does the character become you when you've done it for 30, 40 years, whatever it was?
02:30:52.000There's so many bad things that can happen there.
02:30:54.000It is crazy to me that athletes are using that.
02:30:56.000But if you want a career in pro wrestling, and you want to be a fucking animal, and you want to get hit by a chair every night, like you're traveling across the country, probably a good drug.
02:31:08.000We've had the opportunity to work with several big WWE wrestlers and they have put their bodies through hell.
02:31:15.000For, I mean, I would say even more than jujitsu and MMA guys and NFL guys, out of everybody we've worked with, the wrestlers are the most beat to shit.
02:33:24.000And there's truth, like, it's fictional, what is it, fictional history or whatever it is, but it is based in some truth, which is fascinating.
02:33:32.000Oh yeah, the actual things that they did, they really did.
02:33:36.000Which is just, they were so nuts, man.
02:33:38.000But there's been so many instances like that in history of like groups of unbelievable savages that accomplished insane things just by pure barbarism and slaughter of innocent people.
02:34:47.000You need a guy who's got DNA. And what was the number, Jamie, when we last looked at, like, what percentage of the population in Asia has Genghis Khan's DNA? It's something nuts.
02:36:42.000He came back, and I'm blanking out on his name, but fought for the Irish because they were basically raping their wives and making sure that they were raising British noble-born instead of Irish people.
02:37:07.000It was going through all the rest of the time period.
02:37:09.000They didn't really get into in the movie, but when we did Europe, we did a tour where they were breaking down how bad they tortured him and mutilated him in a public setting prior to killing him.
02:37:27.000Oh, about that they raped the peasants' wives or whatever on their wedding days?
02:37:33.000There might have been one king or a couple aristocratic-type people that might have been dickheads and did it, but it wasn't a thing that happened.
02:38:04.000I remember reading this book about Comanche where they were talking about this one Comanche warrior who wanted this other Comanche's wife So he killed the guy and ate a piece of his heart and then took his wife.
02:39:24.000Before he ever made it in show business.
02:39:25.000Well, if you watch him on a horse when he's doing all his crazy horse stuff, I mean, it's wild how awesome his horses are that he's trained.
02:39:43.000If you go from Yellowstone was great, and then there was 1883 was great, and then the last one, the 1923, the Harrison Ford one, that's fucking great.
02:40:14.000Like, so accurate as to how people died and what they dealt with.
02:40:19.000Fuck, man, people falling off wagons, getting run over by the wheels, that kind of shit.
02:40:23.000That's why if you've ever played Oregon Trail in elementary school, that's what they had when I was in elementary school, I would always die of syphilis or dysentery.
02:41:18.000And the one thing that you have control over...
02:41:21.000If you're a person who takes care of your diet and exercise, the one thing that you're going to have control over is you will be able to give your vehicle more energy.
02:41:32.000If you really do the right things in terms of with your health, you rest accordingly, eat the right foods, take vitamins, work out, People say so often that eating healthy, working out, it's expensive, it takes time, but being chronically ill is way more expensive.
02:43:26.000It's one of the greatest risk factors.
02:43:28.000And think about it because your body has to recover and rebuild and you don't have all the health and youth that you had in your earlier years.
02:43:36.000But surgery from older people is rough too.
02:43:38.000So if you stay active and keep muscle and keep bone mineral density and get proactive and all the things we've talked about.
02:43:43.000If we start monitoring your bone mineral density in your 20s to your 30s to your 40s, We know your family history.
02:43:56.000One of the things they did that ruined that for so many women was the Women's Health Initiative, scaring them out of hormone optimization for women.
02:44:03.000And it terrified women, telling them that it was going to cause cancer and all these things, which ends up being the opposite.
02:45:39.000I really want to hope that's not the case.
02:45:41.000But when I was a drug rep at 22 and you bring in a thought leader from Harvard that tells me all the ways that they're using this brilliant mental health drug off-label – And then you put tremendous pressure and give me an expense account and send me out to drinks with a doctor.
02:45:56.000And I'm sitting there and the doctor's like, where else can I use this drug?
02:45:59.000You're like, do I tell him what that guy from Harvard told me?
02:46:03.000Because I also signed a contract that said I wouldn't, but then the company taught me all that and put me in this environment.
02:47:47.000And that's what people do with everything, though.
02:47:49.000They want to think that it's the most eye-opening thing having got behind the scenes and met you and then met Cam and met Aaron Rodgers and met all the...
02:48:00.000Every person that you have introduced me to works their ass off.
02:48:05.000The level of dedication and commitment...
02:48:43.000What you don't realize is you didn't see all the steps that it took for that guy or girl to get to the top of the mountain.
02:48:49.000Cam was running marathons in the morning before work when he was working eight-hour days.
02:48:54.000He would get up 3.30 in the morning, run a fucking marathon, and then take three days off of work, take his, you know, vacation time, and go run the Moab 240. Run 240 miles through the fucking mountains.
02:49:10.000And if you don't get inspired by that and realize, like, there's more in the tank than you think there is.
02:49:15.000And people like that, the benefit of people like that is that through their discipline, you can learn that you could do these things too.
02:49:24.000You can get inspired by, not maybe, maybe you can't run the Moab 240, but you will most certainly hold yourself to a higher standard when you know there's someone out there that's really busting their ass and trying to make things happen.
02:49:35.000Like, Phillip Rowe, I know, we've become really good friends.
02:49:38.000Philly Fresh from UFC. Love that dude.
02:49:40.000Dude, working as a UPS guy, raising two kids, training MMA in his spare time, and, like, trying to get all his work in, makes it into the UFC. I mean, that's insane.
02:50:58.000And then maybe find out what she's doing.
02:51:00.000Maybe just realize you could do more yourself.
02:51:02.000And if you did, everything that you could do to make yourself healthy wouldn't even have the urge to look at someone else and say, oh, she's on Ozempic.
02:51:13.000What you see is people, momentum creates momentum.
02:51:15.000And even individuals I know that have taken Ozempic.
02:51:19.000A lot of those people, they just needed wins on the board and they needed to create momentum.
02:51:23.000And these really obese individuals, when they start seeing there's hope and the weight starts coming off, as crazy as it is, the diet, the lifestyle, the nutrition, all that starts to fall in line more and more.
02:51:34.000And then they get a win on the board and now they're the guy who's going to the gym three days a week.
02:51:38.000And that's the benefit of SSRIs too, for some people.
02:52:23.000Because there are people whose lives are seemingly on paper amazing and they're still depressed.
02:52:28.000But I guarantee you they probably have their priorities off, and I guarantee you they probably don't exercise, and if they do, it's some rare imbalance that some people do have.
02:52:37.000I can tell you, I mean, running businesses, of course everyone has stress and anxiety.
02:52:41.000If I didn't do an ice bath or go do Muay Thai, If I take a week off, my anxiety is terrible.
02:52:48.000I mean, I would have almost crippling anxiety, but doing physical activity and doing hard things and doing the ice bath and doing the sauna and going through that method and that process...
02:53:02.000You're used to a certain level of adversity.
02:53:05.000And if you have no adversity, adversity is very difficult to handle.
02:53:08.000But if you give yourself voluntary adversity that far exceeds anything you're going to experience outside of that, you're way better at handling stuff.
02:53:18.000If your workouts are so fucking brutal, and I've seen you do Muay Thai, it's fucking hard, man.
02:53:26.000Because when you're on, like, round five, and it's a five-minute round, and you're three and a half minutes in, and he's trying to get you to...
02:53:35.000He's trying to get you to do a switch kick over and over and over again.
02:53:40.000Your fucking heart is beating out of your chest.
02:54:17.000This is not, I don't want to go get the shit beat out of me and work my ass off for an hour, but every time you leave, even no matter what, I'm like, oh, thank God I did that.
02:54:25.000Every time I get out of that stupid ice bath, I feel like that.
02:54:28.000Every time I go in, I don't want to do it.
02:54:30.000I know I'm going to go in it because there's two people in my head.
02:54:33.000There's the general and there's the pussy.
02:55:50.000I watch his My Zone, and I watch what Tim does every day, and I'm like, if I can just get close to what Tim did, I will feel great about myself.
02:55:59.000So I try to beat his workouts, or Juan from On It Gym has his on there too, and I'll just try and beat those guys' workouts on those days.
02:56:06.000It's funny because people will say that that's an addictive thing, which is really interesting.
02:56:11.000Because one of the things that people talk about with addictions that people are struggling with today, one of them is fitness apps.
02:56:35.000Candidly, a lot of times they trade addiction and they get really big into CrossFit or Jiu Jitsu or Jiu Jitsu, but it's a healthy addiction.
02:59:11.000I used to think that it was from being hurt all the time in martial arts.
02:59:14.000When I owned a toxicology, I was in the toxicology lab and the non-abusive stuff after my brother passed from opioids and I was trying to educate clinicians on that.
02:59:22.000One of the things I did was hire an expert, Dr. Bill Massey.
02:59:25.000And he came in and he sat on Obama's opioid abuse campaign committee and was...
02:59:29.000He was helping guide me on what makes sense and how do we do this.
02:59:33.000But one of the things he shared with me that was wild was this study that he did for Obama with rhesus monkeys, where they gave one set of rhesus monkeys basically a cage with metal and no warmth, no interaction with other monkeys.
02:59:48.000They got water and food, but at erratic times, there was no consistency in that monkey's life.
02:59:55.000Then they took another subset of rhesus monkeys where they gave them warmth, shelter, let them stay with their family for the right amount of time until they reached maturity.
03:00:03.000And what they found is when they introduced drug, heroin and cocaine to these monkeys, disproportionately the monkeys that were deprived died.
03:00:22.000And he was breaking down that if you grow up in an environment with minimal dopamine response, When you light up that dopamine, maybe it's a boxing match, right?
03:00:32.000You're a kid who's been poor, and you get in that boxing match, you knock a guy out, you're hooked.
03:01:43.000Alexander's experience in the 70s had come to be called Rat Park.
03:01:46.000Researchers had already proved that when rats were placed in a cage all alone with no other community of rats and offered two water bottles, one filled with water, the other filled with heroin or cocaine, the rats would repetitively drink from the drug-laced bottles until they overdosed and died.
03:02:19.000He put in rat parks where they were among others and free to roam and play, socialize, and to have sex.
03:02:24.000And they were given the same access to two types of drug-laced bottles.
03:02:28.000When inhabiting a rat park, they remarkably preferred the plain water.
03:02:32.000Even when they did imbibe from the drug-filled bottle, they did so intermittently, not obsessively, and never overdosed.
03:02:39.000A social community beat the power of drugs.
03:02:41.000And you gotta wonder if that would be the case with human beings.
03:02:45.000You know, if everyone, I mean it's not possible right now in the world that we live in, but if everyone had a productive, happy, healthy life and was raised in a positive environment, how much less drug abuse and drug addiction would we have?
03:03:01.000It's a good question, because if it really is this horrible childhood that is causing a lot of people to seek these things out, but that's not my friend.
03:03:12.000My friend who got addicted, he wasn't from abuse like that.
03:04:15.000And he battled, like, feeling terrible, everything.
03:04:19.000Long story short, he went from they were going to put him in hospice because his kidneys and organs and all this were failing to he drove a car last week.
03:04:37.000His organs were shutting down because they were just pushing more and more and more.
03:04:41.000And I don't want to be too sinister, but there's a lot of money in keeping somebody in a hospital and billing that insurance company during those time frames and then moving them over.
03:04:52.000You know, I stood in surgeries where I watched them do neurosurgeries on people they knew were going to die.
03:04:56.000But they could bill them $800,000 and collect the insurance payment, and so the hospital's going to do the surgery.
03:05:21.000If we build a reward system based off Money and numbers and finances, we shouldn't be shocked when we have killer earnings and really bad health outcomes.
03:05:32.000It's the same with everything in the human race.
03:05:35.000Whenever it's incentivized by money, people don't go to what's best for people.
03:05:41.000They go to what's going to make them the most money.
03:05:43.000And that's the weird world that we find ourselves in with people defending that because their ideology opposes the opposite.
03:06:14.000I think there's a lot of people that recognize that between you and all these other people in the space, Peter Atiyah and Andrew Huberman and all these people, Dr. Rhonda Patrick, all these people talking about health and what you can do to improve and studies and all these things you can do to change the path that you're on.
03:06:37.000Thank you for giving me a voice and thank you for having me on here.
03:06:40.000And also thank you to the US Senate for being brave enough to let us sit there and hammer the US government and critique them for their choices and power to them for at least having the honesty and integrity to let us have an open forum.
03:06:55.000Yeah, let's hope they keep doing it and this Make America Healthy Again idea is one of the most promising political ideas I've heard in a long time because it's long overdue.
03:07:05.000There was a long time where they were denying that cigarettes cause cancer.
03:07:08.000They denied it as long as they could and then eventually they couldn't deny it anymore.
03:07:12.000And I would hope that we would learn our lesson from all these other things they did.
03:07:16.000All these other things that they used to push and now they realize they're dangerous and they really regret that they did it and people went along with it.