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00:01:41.000Well, I mean, coming on here helped a lot.
00:01:43.000I mean, first of all, just coming over here, like, three different people stopped me in the airport and were like, are you that guy from Joe Rogan?
00:02:02.000But, so, really, the thing that happened recently was that, you know, so I went on Lex's show a year and a half ago, and he said, I'm going to come down to the Amazon, which everybody says.
00:02:12.000You went on Lex's show, but Lex actually went on your show.
00:03:11.000And so his first day, he arrived, and then we drove five hours, got to the base of this mountain, and then we met up with these dudes that are experts, and they brought us up to the glacier where we can't breathe.
00:06:08.000And at this point, Lex is- How do you find water?
00:06:10.000Well, I mean, there should just be streams, right?
00:06:13.000Were there that you just didn't run into?
00:06:16.000It was a weird section of forest, and this is integral to the whole story, was that this part of the forest, unlike where we are, which is very, very flat, and there's all these little streams, they're clear, this came in an anaconda in them, but they're clear, and the jungle works, the roots work like a huge filtering system,
00:06:32.000so you can drink that water right out of the streams.
00:10:48.000And we just didn't anticipate this happening.
00:10:51.000And Lex was crouched by this puddle with his backpack on and he's like looking at the water and he looks at me and he goes, I'm going to drink it.
00:12:45.000And then we had to raft for an entire day back to the place where we got picked up.
00:12:49.000But what happened was that now we know, and this is on our river, this is where we're trying to create this corridor with jungle keepers.
00:12:56.000Now we know that some of the most ancient forests on earth is about to be destroyed.
00:13:02.000And we get back to our base, to our research station, and it just so happens that there was a client there and he was staying in that treehouse, the Alta Sanctuary treehouse.
00:13:11.000And we tell him this whole story and we're drinking and we're eating and we're, you know, we're all sunburnt and bug-bitten and dehydrated and our cheeks just, you know, stuck to our skulls.
00:13:19.000And we tell him this whole story and we go, it's going to be brutal watching this, you know, dismantled.
00:13:27.000He goes, find out how we get that land.
00:13:31.000And it hadn't really occurred to me that we could do anything about it.
00:13:35.000And this dude, this guy's name is Jay, and he said, he goes, I'll start you off.
00:13:40.000He goes, whatever the land costs, I'll give you $150,000, do a fundraiser, put it public, and try and get matching donations and talk to the loggers.
00:13:48.000So while we set up the fundraiser, JJ, local, called up his friends who happen to own that land.
00:14:09.000And then the craziest part is that when we went there, we physically, with all the directors of drone keepers, we went to the land and the Peruvians, the Peruvian directors sat down with the loggers and they were like, look, we own this land now.
00:14:37.000These dudes are over here destroying the thing they love because they have no other opportunity.
00:14:42.000So the fact that this is, that we now have this global network of people that care.
00:14:47.000The local people in the Amazon rainforest are trying to protect the Amazon.
00:14:51.000And now we have all these people all over the world because of stuff like this, because of all the work that we've been doing, that people know that We have people that give $5, $10, $100 a month.
00:15:02.000We have this huge network of donors, and now we're able to get those wins.
00:15:05.000We see a threatened patch of forest, boom, we grab it.
00:15:08.000Hire the loggers as rangers, everybody wins, and we're saving forests.
00:15:12.000This year, since the last time I saw you, we went from 55,000 acres to almost 100,000 acres.
00:15:18.000That's one-third of the way to protecting the 300,000 acres that we have to protect.
00:15:23.000So we're one-third of the way through the goal.
00:16:05.000The reason this forest hadn't been cut was because it was up and down and up and down and denser than all the other forests because it's fucking ancient.
00:16:12.000And so we discovered it and how hard it was and that's where I'm going, holy shit, we brought Lex Friedman out here.
00:16:30.000I mean, from our base, you walk five minutes back into the jungle and there's a beautiful clear stream and I drink straight out of the stream.
00:17:17.000When you live with the locals, when in Rome, you know, if you go to someone's house and they're local, they eat monkeys.
00:17:24.000And so we were on a beach and some of the local guys hunted monkeys and so we woke up in the morning and they heated up the food and what we had was bowl coffee because we didn't bring cups.
00:19:52.000And vegans are probably the worst at it because if they really, on the ground level, understood monocrop agriculture, which is what supplies most of your food, they would be horrified.
00:20:03.000They'd be horrified at industrial pesticides and herbicides and all the shit that we put in the soil.
00:20:11.000How many small animals get murdered in the process?
00:20:15.000Well, you gotta clear space for a fawn, right?
00:20:18.000You not only have to clear space, you have to kill groundhogs and ground squirrels and anything that's in the way, anything that's gonna eat your crops.
00:21:53.000And you put it down on the ground, and you get fucking high-speed internet in the middle of nowhere.
00:21:57.000So we were reading that they were saying that to take it off of avocados, you dunk the avocado in boiling water for 10 seconds and then rinse it off.
00:24:14.000It all depends on how the fats were extracted and how the chemical compound was created.
00:24:20.000And this time, there's no human trials to show what happens to humans who consume fruits and vegetables with a peel on them on a regular basis.
00:24:40.000Well, there was a big hearing in front of the Senate that Brigham Bueller, who was on yesterday, he was talking about it in front of all these representatives and they're trying to explain what the system is and how fucked it is and how there's most of these European countries and Canada.
00:24:58.000There's a lot of ingredients, particularly dyes, that we use.
00:25:02.000He was talking about how Lucky Charms that you buy in America, you can't sell it in Canada.
00:25:08.000They have to sell a completely different Lucky Charms in Canada because Canada doesn't allow all these dyes because they're toxic.
00:25:14.000Oh, this is the super bright color thing.
00:25:15.000Those are toxic dyes and we allow them.
00:25:19.000Because we want people to, and there's also a bunch of other ingredients that make the food more addictive.
00:25:25.000Those are in our food supplies, and some of them are illegal in other countries.
00:25:29.000It's not good, and there's, it seems like, the way he was describing it, it's like the FDA is just completely overwhelmed.
00:25:36.000And they, you know, and then these companies are just pushing this stuff through, and it's kind of like, the way we described it yesterday, it's like a hoarder's house.
00:25:53.000Our food system's like a hoarder's house.
00:25:55.000Well, I heard that guy, I don't remember his name, he's a venture capitalist.
00:25:59.000In the last week, you guys were talking about, he was saying that when he travels abroad, he can eat whatever he wants, and then when he comes back to the U.S., he puts on weight.
00:26:13.000And then I was looking up something else popped up where they were saying that the bread in Subway sandwiches is considered cake in Europe because of the sugar content.
00:26:23.000Yeah, some countries consider it cake because it's mostly...
00:26:38.000It took me a long time to understand this stuff.
00:26:41.000I tried to eat healthy before that, but mostly through the podcast and talking to people, getting an understanding of how bad this stuff really is for you, and then experimenting with diet and watching how much better my body felt, and seeing my friends who don't do it.
00:26:56.000They just look like And you're mostly carnivore now?
00:27:34.000One of them is enriched flour, what's so-called enriched flour.
00:27:39.000It contains a bunch of chemicals like folic acid and a bunch of shit your body has a hard time digesting.
00:27:44.000It's also, they use heirloom wheat in Italy, and heirloom wheat is the original wheat.
00:27:50.000What we did was we changed wheat to make higher yield so that a smaller piece of land, you can get more wheat out of it.
00:27:58.000So because of that, it has more complex glutens, makes it more difficult for your body to process.
00:28:02.000And then on top of that, the big one may be, there's a lot of speculation about this, but there's some serious evidence that most people Who eat the common American diet.
00:29:20.000A lot of the stuff that people eat causes long-term health consequences.
00:29:24.000And so when you're dealing with short-term stuff, like stuff that's only been around for five, six years, it takes a long time before you figure out what's happening.
00:29:32.000Oh, so 74. Roundup, which contains active ingredients, glyphosate, was first introduced to commercial agriculture in 74. So scroll down so we can see when it ramps up.
00:30:16.000I think it was during the gold rush times that everybody was using lead to replug cans after they opened them, and then thousands of people died from lead poisoning before they figured it out.
00:30:25.000Shane Gillis has a great joke about George Washington.
00:30:28.000George Washington's dentures were made out of lead, and that's why George Washington was such a fucking psycho.
00:30:37.000I read that when they were talking about the amount of plastic that people find, like most men have plastic in their sperm, plastic in their testicles, you have plastic in your brain, and a lot of that plastic is the plastic that's derived from PVC. So it's coming from water pipes.
00:30:58.000Some water pipes are metal, but when I used to do construction, we did a lot of houses where they used PVC pipes.
00:31:05.000A lot of PVC pipes underneath kitchen sinks and stuff.
00:31:08.000So all that stuff, when water's going through that, you're picking up these little particles of plastic.
00:31:14.000And those little particles of plastic, you cook your food in it, you drink a glass of water from the tap.
00:31:19.000All that stuff is getting you plastic.
00:31:21.000And then there's cooking in microwave.
00:31:23.000If you have one of those things, you lift up and you have a piece of plastic over the lid and you cook microwave and it's in a plastic bowl.
00:31:32.000That's all fucking getting into your body.
00:31:35.000Well, I scared myself with that because we had plastic cups on an expedition and we boiled coffee and then I poured it into the plastic cup and I was like, we gotta stop doing this.
00:31:43.000So we started bringing like metal and glass cups on expeditions.
00:31:47.000Obviously they make stuff for campers that you can get, you know, and that's why we switched these steel cups here.
00:31:53.000We used to just go through so many bottles of water.
00:31:57.000So we bought a filtration system and started using steel cups.
00:32:03.000This whole thing in America, one of the things we talked about yesterday with Brigham is the Make America Healthy Again movement, which is Robert Kennedy Jr. and a bunch of other folks that are involved in this.
00:32:15.000And it's exciting that this is gaining steam because people are concerned about their health and they're all concerned about...
00:32:22.000All the different chemicals that are in your fucking food.
00:32:24.000But the problem is now that's been attached to right-wing ideology.
00:32:29.000So people are calling people that are interested in that far-right people.
00:32:36.000But it's just because it's attached to Trump.
00:32:38.000It's because the Trump administration, you know, Make America Great Again and also Make America Healthy Again with Robert Kennedy Jr. He's involved in that.
00:32:46.000So people are just labeling that as some sort of alt-right fuckery and woo-woo bullshit.
00:33:03.000So, I mean, like you've naturally progressed towards going, okay, so I eat elk and I eat vegetables and I care about where I get my stuff from.
00:33:10.000But people that aren't able to make that decision, that would seem to me, there's certain things where you go, shouldn't we all agree on this?
00:33:23.000When it comes to nature conservation, I never understood how that, you know, I'm like, All these things can be solved and this is what's fucked.
00:33:30.000It's like we have so much money to solve other countries problems And we don't have any money to solve our own health problems.
00:33:36.000That's very strange It's it's very short-sighted and very bizarre and we need to do something about it when we need to do something about it now It's just it's it's really scary when you think that this if this unchecked When it happens, these corporations will continue to sell you things that are very bad for you if they're profitable,
00:33:55.000as long as they're not penalized for you.
00:33:57.000And I guarantee you, those people that know that, the people that are, they probably don't eat any of that shit.
00:34:10.000I mean, when you go to restaurants, you see little kids with an iPad sitting on a tray just standing there so their parents can have a conversation.
00:34:17.000The kid's just, like, hypnotized by some fucking cartoon.
00:34:20.000Kids are swiping before they're talking.
00:35:37.000See if you can get some of the footage.
00:35:39.000Iran is launching hundreds of missiles at Israel.
00:35:43.000And there was a mass shooting, some sort of a terror attack in Tel Aviv today as well.
00:35:48.000So there's some sort of coordinated attack on Israel.
00:35:53.000Obviously, Israel just did that stuff with Hezbollah, where they blew up the pagers and blew up walkie-talkies and killed a bunch of people and then shot a bunch of bombs into Lebanon, and it's all getting very, very scary.
00:36:08.000It's all ramping up in a fucking terrifying way.
00:36:10.000But this video, it also shows that the Iron Dome, Israel's famous missile defense system, It doesn't seem to be catching all of them.
00:36:20.000I mean, if you have enough launched your way at the same time, some of them are going to sneak through.
00:36:25.000So this is what it looks like right now.
00:37:25.000Can you imagine being in a city and you see 180 missiles coming at you?
00:37:29.000I don't know how people live continuously in areas where there's war zones.
00:37:34.000Like, I know, like, my friend Matt Gutman from ABC News, like, he works there, and I've seen him running through the streets and doing that hard-hitting stuff, but there's also just people getting their groceries.
00:38:08.000And then now it's rubble, and there's tens of thousands of people dead.
00:38:12.000And that's an example of what you're saying about seeing these images all the time.
00:38:16.000I remember when that popped off, and I'm a big believer in, you pick one thing, for most people, unless you're Elon or somebody that can have a bunch of different things going on, but for most of us, you've got to live your life, and you've got to pick one thing that you can help from a lot of people.
00:38:32.000For me, I've dedicated myself to protecting the Amazon.
00:38:34.000When it comes to everything else, like, when I start opening my phone, I remember this.
00:38:39.000I was at my friend's house, and it was 7 o'clock in the morning, and I opened my phone, and it was a picture of a guy lifting his dead baby with a crushed skull.
00:38:48.000And I threw my phone across the room, and it ruined my whole day.
00:38:59.000And I have become a person that really shields myself from a lot of what's going on because of the hysteria levels right now.
00:39:08.000I don't think, like even World War II times, like, okay, Pearl Harbor just hit off and people are like, wow, this is crazy.
00:39:13.000But I don't think you were inundated with it all day long.
00:39:15.000You read the newspaper, you talked to a few people, and then you're like, alright, well cool, I gotta go get Johnny from school and blah blah blah blah blah.
00:39:20.000Right, you didn't see it on your phone 24-7 all day long.
00:39:24.000Israel's popping off, the South is getting flooded, you know, the Amazon's burning, everything is happening all at once and it's all coming through on the screen.
00:39:32.000So this says Iran launches a missile attack on Israel, but Israeli military says no casualties reported.
00:39:37.000So I guess that was the thing that we're saying that the Iron Dome, when they know that something's going to go to an open area where there's no one there, they don't even bother wasting a missile on that.
00:39:47.000A US defense official said the United States intercepted some of the missiles to help defend Israel.
00:42:55.000Like, some of the people, the things that they're screaming about or worried about or whatever else, it's like some unity would happen from remembering the fact that That's a reality.
00:43:04.000We've got so few attacks on American soil.
00:43:07.000You know, you have Pearl Harbor, which is kind of America.
00:43:10.000You know, Hawaii should be its own country.
00:43:13.000I mean, it's kind of fucked that we own Hawaii.
00:43:16.000I mean, I guess it's good that Hawaii gets the protections of the United States, but it's kind of crazy that it's five hours by airplane over the ocean until you get to Hawaii, and that's considered America.
00:43:29.000But, I mean, I don't know how they feel about it.
00:43:31.000I'm assuming they'd probably like to have sovereignty.
00:43:34.000But the point is, like, that was World War II, so that was Pearl Harbor.
00:43:49.000Whereas you think of even Russia, what Russia went through, the losses that Russia went through during World War II, absolutely fucking horrific.
00:43:58.000And they've done that throughout history.
00:44:00.000There's been conflicts throughout history in Russia.
00:44:04.000Now you go into any other part of the world.
00:44:09.000Some fucking workers at the Great Wall of China, they didn't want to go the long way around the wall, so they broke down a section of the Great Wall of China so they could drive through it.
00:45:33.000I just think the world that I've been living in the past year...
00:45:38.000I've been in rooms and out in the wild with so many incredible people, and I think that more than ever, people...
00:45:45.000I agree, we're moments away from disaster in any given capacity, but we're also alive at a time in history where people are more considerate than they've ever been.
00:45:57.000Yeah, I think there's just, you're gonna get everything, right?
00:46:00.000You're gonna get people that are willing to launch missiles at Israel, you're gonna get people that are willing to chop down ancient mahogany trees, and then you get people like you that dedicate your life to saving the rainforest.
00:46:10.000It's one of the cool things about people, because it makes people like you so much more exceptional.
00:46:14.000It makes people so much more interesting, because it's rare.
00:46:18.000And then someone dedicating their entire life to doing what you've done is even more rare.
00:46:22.000And that's part of the cool thing about people.
00:46:25.000I think, and it's a horrible thing to say, but I think it's unfortunately true, you need evil to appreciate good.
00:46:34.000It's just a part of the way the human mind and our just overall psychology is the way we operate in the world.
00:46:43.000It's unfortunate, but it's a part of being a person, and I think Hate and anger and destruction actually motivates love and construction and progress and doing things correct and recognizing what can happen if you do things the wrong way.
00:52:55.000I'm taking you down the dark conspiracy of marijuana road.
00:52:58.000What happened is, in the 1930s, they invented a machine called the decorticator.
00:53:04.000And what the decorticator did was it allowed you to effectively process hemp fiber easily and quickly.
00:53:11.000So when Eli Whitney came out with the cotton gin, now all of a sudden, cotton became a very easy cloth to use, and people started wearing cotton ubiquitously, right?
00:53:22.000Well, what they used to use was hemp, because hemp is way more durable.
00:54:46.000It doesn't look too complicated either.
00:54:48.000Well, it's basically like a wheel with some teeth to it and it grinds the shit out of the hemp.
00:54:54.000And what they used to use back in the day was slave labor.
00:54:57.000So slave labor and, you know, poor people would have to do all this incredibly back-breaking work to break down the fibers because they're so tough and durable.
00:55:08.000Well, then they invented this machine and once this machine got rolling, they're like, oh shit, let's start using hemp because it's way better.
00:55:15.000So all this forest cutting down shit is completely unnecessary.
00:55:21.000And it's because a paper guy wanted it.
00:56:10.000So William Randolph Hearst starts printing articles in his paper about Mexicans and black guys who are smoking this new drug, marijuana, and raping white women.
00:56:20.000And then they fund Reefer Madness, and they fund these movies, these propaganda films.
00:58:37.000But if you could go to the Amazon and see that someone chopped down a tree that you were describing, that massive tree, that people had probably hadn't seen in a hundred years or whatever...
01:02:23.000So some cocksucker, you know there's some dude that's thinking about turning that into a desk.
01:02:27.000You know, there's some fucking tech shithead.
01:02:31.000U.S. Forest Service doesn't tell visitors precisely where Methuselah stands, nor does the organization release photographs of the ancient tree.
01:02:47.000But this is interesting, Jimmy, because I guess that other website's incorrect, because the other website was saying it might be 9,000 years old.
01:02:54.000This is the same tree right here, I think.
01:02:56.000The yew from northern Wales, wouldn't that be...?
01:04:43.000See, I thought it would be somewhere on the side of a mountain, where it's like high wind, and they're growing slow over a thousand years, so no humans would have been up there, and every year it's just adding a millimeter to its...
01:04:54.000Well, we know so much about the world in comparison to what they knew 500 years ago, but yet we still know so little.
01:05:03.000They still, like 2010, they found a new human species.
01:05:08.000They didn't even know the Denisovans were a thing until 2010. And now they think that the Denisovans, like a lot of the aborigine people in Australia, have Denisovan in them.
01:05:17.000And maybe possibly even Neanderthal in them.
01:05:20.000They only described the fact that there was two species and not one species of fucking elephant in Africa in the 90s.
01:05:28.000Well, wasn't a gorilla like a myth until they went?
01:05:31.000I think gorillas were like mythical creatures until like the 1800s.
01:05:37.000Like, when did they discover gorillas?
01:05:39.000I mean, I think the first European to see a gorilla probably had some mental issues.
01:05:44.000Well, I'm sure Africans saw gorillas, but they couldn't get the word out.
01:05:46.000But like the first explorer with his, you know, his chain mail to show up and look at a gorilla.
01:05:51.000It wasn't until early 19th century that people native from the areas where they live, such as the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Gabon, knew guerrillas better, but among people outside of Africa, they were mostly mythological creatures.
01:06:05.000There's human-like, big 400-pound monsters.
01:06:59.000Some people think that it's just an unusual group of chimpanzees.
01:07:05.000There's this area in Africa, there's a documentary on it called Relentless Enemies.
01:07:09.000It's an amazing documentary about this river changed course over the years and these lions got stuck on this island with nothing but water buffalo.
01:07:18.000So all the lions look like Yoel Romero.
01:07:20.000They all just look fucking Brock Lesnar lions.
01:07:23.000Female lions as big as male lions in other parts of Africa.
01:07:28.000Super jack female lions just fucking up these water buffaloes.
01:08:57.000But these monkeys, these chimpanzees, they're very different than the other chimpanzees, like from Chimp Nation, where they're super violent, and they kill monkeys all day, and they fight over fruit.
01:13:20.000I've seen more clear version, but he's walking around and they're enormous.
01:13:26.000These guys said they had a Land Rover and they had a Defender and they stopped, or whatever the truck was, they stopped the truck in the road as one walked by and it was taller than the truck.
01:15:53.000A regular chimpanzee would fuck a human up.
01:15:55.000But that photograph of those two men that's sitting there with one that they shot, that's one that they think is confirmed to be one of these Bondo apes.
01:16:05.000But you have to think, like, okay, these guys, first of all, they're in the background, just like when you catch a fish, you hold the fish out in front of you.
01:16:35.000These people had this chimpanzee and they dressed it up like a person and it had weird facial features where it looked like so similar to a person.
01:17:13.000It just seems like he just had an odd facial...
01:17:15.000But look, they put him in a fucking suit and tie and shit.
01:17:17.000And they're fine, but he came sexually attracted to his care and preferred humans over chimps.
01:17:23.000The problem with those things is they're horny, just like, you know, and he doesn't even know there's other chimps because he doesn't get to see them.
01:18:26.000Apparently, this is also something that we learned from the guys from Chimp Crazy that we're on.
01:18:31.000We're explaining how this trade works, where they kidnap these babies from their mother, and then they start raising them in captivity in America, and some places, like Wyoming, it's legal, so they all go to Wyoming, or was it Missouri?
01:19:01.000Way before the Tiger King thing, one of the dudes, not the main Tiger King guy, one of the other guys, the Myrtle Beach guy, invited me to his place.
01:19:10.000Is that the guy who runs the sex cult?
01:19:19.000Me and my friend Mohsen, we do all the photography, all the Amazon Fire stuff together, and I was like, you want to go fucking hang out with tigers for a weekend?
01:20:46.000So, the problem is, in male lions, the gene that regulates size So when a male lion breeds with a female lion, I might be fucking this up, but I know that this is the problem with the liger,
01:21:02.000why they're so big, is because whether it's the male or the female, so it's a hybrid opposite of male lion and a tiger female.
01:21:10.000Okay, so in the female lion then, Or in the male tiger, one of them, there's this gene that regulates how big you get.
01:25:01.000It's very difficult to see it for them.
01:25:03.000And if they're in the jungle, densely foliated jungle, and there's all these trees and shit, they would just blend right the fuck in.
01:25:11.000And just lay in wait for something that's slower than them.
01:25:16.000But I was thinking when you were saying about the Bondo ape, one of the things that we're doing now is we're using Starlink to deploy camera traps in areas because you just take a Starlink, put it up in the top of a tree.
01:25:26.000I have a guy on my team, Stefan, he figured this out.
01:25:28.000We take Starlink, you put it up in the top of a tree so it has access.
01:27:32.000But a lot of guys who have more time, they'll do 10 days.
01:27:35.000It depends on what kind of hunting you're doing.
01:27:37.000I'm doing it in places where it's private access, so it's not...
01:27:43.000If you have public land, you're gonna get a lot of hunters on that land, especially if there's elk, and it pushes the elk deeper and deeper into the forest.
01:27:50.000And if you want to really find them, a lot of these guys, they'll put their, like my friend Aaron Snyder, he'll put a backpack on, he'll go two weeks, and they'll go, you know, 26, 30 miles in, and that's where the elk are.
01:28:04.000And so, not only that, you have to pack them out.
01:29:00.000Whatever you do, you quarter it out, bone it out, and then you're going back.
01:29:04.000You're going 30 miles for load number two.
01:29:06.000If you're solo, there's a lot of guys that solo elk hunt, you might have to go in four times to get all the meat out because you physically can't carry it all 30 miles up and down the mountains without risk of dying.
01:29:25.000So I can tell you exactly, because we shot these elk in Utah, and then we brought them to this meat processing place that makes you sausages and all kinds of cool shit, and they weigh it.
01:30:22.000I know a guy who fucked his back up because he tried to do 180 pounds and he went like 25 miles and his back is destroyed.
01:30:29.000His back is so destroyed that one of his arms is atrophying because his nerves are getting pinched because his fucking discs are all bulged out and fucked up.
01:30:37.000So you shoot an elk and then you, let's say you're with two guys, I don't know, you take as much as you can and you come out.
01:30:44.000Now in the meantime, that carcass is sitting there You just try and get back as soon as you can?
01:31:58.000It's so wild to watch because you're struggling to go like a mile an hour and these motherfuckers are like running over the top of the hill like it's nothing.
01:32:16.000So I got lucky that there was five guys in camp with me and everyone took a load and I think Cam Haynes has a photo of it on his Instagram of all of us packing it out.
01:32:27.000It was in one of those multiple photo things.
01:32:29.000So that helped a lot because if it was just me and my friend Colton who was my guide, it would have probably taken us...
01:32:47.000Yeah, but a lot of guys do and those guys the most effective hunters that go into public land which is a much tougher thing to do right because I said because of pressure and And also because if you want to go where the elk are, there's a lot of people, there's pressure, and the elk are going to get the fuck out of Dodge.
01:33:03.000And so you have to find out where they are.
01:33:05.000It's a lot more groundwork, and you're covering a lot more miles.
01:33:08.000So these guys, they put their camp on their back, and they chop the toothbrush in half, that whole deal.
01:34:44.000You did a great job of explaining to that one guy about why wolves and elk, because you're saying, like, you know, fundamentally, like, you know, God and the fact that animals eat each other.
01:34:53.000And you're like, because there's wolves, elk are mega athletes that can run up a mountain.
01:34:59.000And I was just like, I was listening to it.
01:35:15.000So if you're saying you don't want hunting, you're saying you want these animals to die in a far more horrific way because we need population control.
01:35:23.000Some say we need it with people, but that's the World Economic Forum.
01:35:27.000But what I think is, with animals, at least we understand, like we have wildlife biologists that are incredible at this job, and they understand what the holding populations are.
01:35:38.000They're like, this is how much food is there, this is how many deer are there, this is sustainable, we can give out this amount of tags, and so we keep the populations.
01:35:46.000But you have to also take into account wolves.
01:35:48.000When wolves move into an area, everything gets fucked.
01:35:59.000They do surplus kills sometimes, like in Wyoming.
01:36:03.000They found this crazy surplus kill where these wolves had killed like a hundred cow elk.
01:36:10.000And they were just laying there because they can't help themselves, man.
01:36:14.000If they can do it, they're going to do it.
01:36:17.000Like if they're stuck in snow or something's going on or they can't get away, if they got them cornered, they just go on a slaughter fest.
01:36:25.000Well, that's like when we were in school and they were like, you know, the Native Americans only took, you know, and then like you read Empire of the Summer Moon and you're like, oh.
01:37:02.000But the mentality, the mentality where they'd be like, oh yeah, Quanah was, you know, by this stream and they saw some other, another tribe on that one.
01:40:37.000Well, I mean, that whole image of like a dude with a hat on a horse, like that was the, to me, that's like, it looked like you were getting towards after the Comanche, like the end of the Comanche times into the, I don't think Cowboys were around for long.
01:40:51.000Like that period that we think of, like the Wild West.
01:40:53.000I think it was like a period of like- It's kind of funny, right?
01:40:55.000Because it's such a genre in our history.
01:41:05.000But the history of genocide in North America in terms of like what happened to the Native Americans has been so poorly documented in movies.
01:41:17.000So the movies are all just, you know, guys in saloons having shootouts with other bad Americans.
01:41:24.000And every now and then some Native American would get into the picture and have to fuck that Indian up because he was trying to steal your goats or whatever.
01:42:18.000They think that, I mean, there might have been some instances where people knowingly gave people blankets with smallpox, but smallpox just spread because everybody was immune to it from Europe.
01:42:30.000Like, not immune, but they had some sort of antibodies, because smallpox was everywhere.
01:42:35.000So when they came over here, we brought a bunch of shit over here that just wrecked those people.
01:43:05.000We had to take a commercial flight to a smaller flight to a smaller flight, and then we had to take a boat for three days, nine hours a day, to get to the start of the expedition.
01:43:14.000Now, when you do that, do you check to see if there's uncontacted tribes that have been reported in those areas?
01:43:21.000What you do is you get to the last town and you go, what's that way?
01:43:28.000And the scariest thing, and this was one of the worst things I've ever seen in my life, was that there were these tiny little people there.
01:44:18.000That the Nawa were shooting at the oil company guys that were trying to get into this deep, again, a part of the forest that never has been accessed before.
01:44:25.000Now it's starting, people are reaching deeper into the Amazon.
01:44:28.000And the problem is they'd be going up this river and there'd be arrows flying by them.
01:45:20.000But are they actual missionaries or are they acting as missionaries?
01:45:24.000Whatever it is, they're going with the missionary protocol, getting these people to come in.
01:45:29.000So what they did was, through two translators from Spanish to Yine to Nahua to something, we asked this guy and we had to stay away because we didn't want to get them sick.
01:45:38.000And we had to say like, what are you doing here?
01:45:40.000And the guy was like, I'm trying to go back to my house, like where I live in my house, my jungle.
01:45:45.000And he said, these missionaries said, if I came here, that then they'd help me in the food.
01:45:49.000And they were very confused because the missionaries had brought back a boatload of them and kind of tricked them because then when they got to the town, they just showed up to capitalist society, which even though it's super remote, they're like, you want food?
01:46:45.000There's no one, there's no one who's going to help them.
01:46:47.000And they were just terrified sitting there at the edges of the streets and all these people are riding by on like motorcycles and rickshaws and there's boats going by and these people are trying to look for like a rat to shoot.
01:48:48.000There's a view, like a camera is on some helicopter or something, and it's photographing these guys, and they're all fucking pointed posts and arrows.
01:50:05.000And these are essentially some of the last people on earth like this.
01:50:08.000Yeah, and so there's a huge debate about how we protect them, because there's two camps.
01:50:15.000There's some people that say, you know, they're running scared during the Industrial Revolution, they pushed further out, and they're too scared to come in and get help.
01:50:23.000And then there's other people that go, no, they're noble savages, and they live out there because they want to, and they're the last free people, but...
01:50:30.000Looking at these videos and seeing some of the stuff, they're trying to carefully interact with some of the most remote tribes.
01:50:39.000And so there's people that live seven days from the nearest town that speak a dialect of native language in the Amazon.
01:50:45.000And the tribes will come out and they'll...
01:50:48.000You know, they'll come out and they'll...
01:52:11.000So you've got to be on dick patrol while you're doing that because you're going to get bug bites on your ass, but you've got to make sure...
01:53:10.000It's a big bug, and they're airborne, and they're moving quick, and they want your shit, and they're gonna take it, and they're gonna roll it into balls, and they're gonna push it through the jungle, and they're gonna lay their eggs in it.
01:53:34.000So when you went to that spot, when you decided, let's go there, and it takes you three days, and you get up there, and you see these people, did you wind up going deeper into the jungle and seeing how they actually live?
01:53:51.000I had some trackers with me who were extremely experienced in all of this.
01:53:56.000They knew where we could and couldn't go, and we went on a...
01:53:58.000It took us a week to get to the launch point, and then we went on a six-day expedition from there, where we're eating fish out of the river, we're drinking out of the river, camping on the beaches.
01:54:06.000And then we did reach a point where they found signs of uncontacted tribes.
01:55:36.000Because one time they killed these guys and their bodies were on the beach for a few days and they blew up and became white so they looked like the Michelin Man.
01:55:43.000But then when the vultures got to them, they started ripping out their eyeballs and disemboweling them.
01:55:48.000So by the time people went to find them...
01:55:58.000That's like dude now now because of you know Having a large social media following people just send me their craziest shit.
01:56:05.000So I gotta be careful what I open because people will send you a video and Like one thing that I found very disturbing somebody sent me a video and it was like here click on this and I was like And it was somebody like there was like a deer and he was feeding a deer and feeding a deer and then he takes a handgun and shoots it in the head and I was like that's fucking hard.
01:56:21.000I was like no So now I'm careful, but Somebody sent me a few weeks ago a video of, which this one I'm probably going to share, but I have to make sure that they don't get me for it.
01:56:31.000An elephant trainer in India, and he's working next to this elephant.
01:56:34.000And he's just working next to the elephant doing his thing.
01:56:36.000And this elephant just decides that today ain't his day.
01:56:39.000And the elephant just knocks him over and crushes his pelvis.
01:56:42.000And then it's like, that's not good enough.
01:56:44.000So it pushes his foot on the guy's head and just flattens him.
01:58:58.000And what's fucked up about that is like when you have tribes or towns or villages of people that are growing things and the elephants find it, they're just like, sorry, it's ours now.
02:00:19.000The owners of the reserve that I work with, they went.
02:00:22.000With a helicopter, you circle it around, they got the elephants together, they darted the whole family at once, all 11 elephants, got them on trucks, like semi-lucid, just kind of awake, got them onto trucks, transported them to Buffalo Kloof, where they're going to be safe, released them,
02:00:38.000And they said that when these elephants woke up and came off the trucks, and now they're in a private game reserve where they're going to be safe the rest of their lives, he said they just exploded.
02:00:48.000They went flying into the water, started drinking, playing, bathing, just eating everything.
02:00:53.000They rearranged the entire ecosystem, and one of the females was pregnant, and they didn't know that the female was pregnant.
02:01:45.000And it's funny, too, because talking about, like, the people, the, you know, the anti-hunting people, and it's like, this is a place where, very, very different reality than the Amazon, but where, you know, the owner said to me, he's like, you know, you can, no one's going to pay you $30,000 to take a picture of a buffalo.
02:02:02.000He's like, people pay $30,000 to hunt a buffalo all the time.
02:02:05.000And so they use sustainable hunting of, like, the zebras and the buffalo and the impalas and stuff like that to protect...
02:03:02.000But these wild game reserves in Africa, you know, people go over there and they shoot these animals and then that meat gets donated to these tribes.
02:03:12.000And this friend of mine who went over there to do that was saying that they went to this school, which was like, to call it a school, it's just dirt floors.
02:03:42.000But really what's fucked is that people live like that.
02:03:45.000Like really, the way to get people out of that situation when you have these insanely impoverished countries where you can take advantage of people and have a mine for cobalt is to try to elevate the standard of living for those people.
02:03:56.000Try to bring them power and give them irrigation and give them fresh water.
02:04:01.000And figure out a way to get them resources.
02:04:04.000Yeah, and I mean, that's exactly what we're doing in the Amazon, is give the loggers a better fucking job.
02:04:39.000It's like a John Wick movie from World War II. It's about this crazy soldier who becomes a gold miner, and he finds gold, and he's retired, done with the war, and then he's hiking out with his gold, he's riding out with his gold,
02:04:55.000and the Nazis show up, and he has to kill all the Nazis.
02:04:58.000This is one of those movies, though, where you can kill everybody, like a John Wick thing.
02:07:20.000They have a pretty good safety system.
02:07:22.000They have like a jet ski rescue system where like if I tow you onto a wave, I feel like I know it now from watching the show.
02:07:28.000If I tow you onto a wave and you catch this epic wave, but then you get trucked and you're under 40 feet of foam and you're getting just bashed under there.
02:07:36.000When that wave goes to the shore, I have like 10 seconds to race in there with my jet ski and you got to grab on before the next wave comes.
02:07:43.000And if you don't grab the ski, I got to leave you.
02:09:26.000You're not, like, taking your life in your hands.
02:09:28.000But, like, when you're going as fast as you can on a snowboard down a mountain, you're like, man, I am fucking surfing a mountain right now.
02:11:17.000I think you do a lot of things obsessively.
02:11:23.000I think that when you get interested in something, whether it's elk hunting or whether it's archery or whatever it is, you go a hundred percent.
02:11:31.000And so you kind of get that same hit from it.
02:11:33.000These guys have just attached themselves to something that's insane.
02:12:57.000You can get a very plain, boring job that's not challenging or intriguing and just exist.
02:13:03.000And you can exist on bad food and you can exist on bad information and watch television all day and never challenge your mind and just dull yourself with alcohol and slowly rot until your body gives out.
02:13:19.000I think a lot of people clip their own wings thinking that, you know, that's not me.
02:13:43.000Like, when he first started that, what if he never did decide to get fit?
02:13:46.000What if he stayed that 300-pound dude who's just drinking milkshakes all day, and he was big and fat, and he couldn't even run 100 yards?
02:13:53.000That's who he was when he first started working out.
02:13:56.000And a switch flipped, and he got on a path, and he stayed on that path.
02:14:00.000He wasn't on that path his whole life.
02:14:02.000And then all of a sudden, he gets on that path and becomes the biggest psycho of all time on that path.
02:14:07.000But you have to either have a traumatic event that wakes you up or some sort of just boundless innate optimism that makes you think it's possible.
02:14:16.000I don't know if there's a you have to have this or that.
02:14:18.000I think there's a whole bunch of different things that can happen to people.
02:15:53.000Yeah, because they have never had any experience with it and they don't understand the reward of doing it.
02:15:57.000But the people that do do it all the time, whether it's, you know, David Goggins or Jocko or anybody that you see that's like a fitness influencer or people that are like super fit, they just stay on the path.
02:16:50.000And that's the thing that, to me, what I see is so many people going, you know, especially at this point, people go like, oh, I can't believe you do this work in the jungle.
02:16:57.000And they go, I always wanted to do this.
02:16:59.000And I listen to when people say I always wanted to do it.
02:17:05.000Because some people, I mean, the reality is some people have families, and they have mortgages, and they have loved ones they take care of.
02:17:11.000There's not a chance in hell you can take a father of four, and all of a sudden this guy can become a jungle keeper.
02:17:16.000It's just, he's not going to leave Ohio and quit his job in Columbus.
02:17:21.000I mean, not full time, but I'm saying he could do something.
02:18:12.000They just get these things that are trying to fill some sense of purpose and meaning because they don't really enjoy what they do.
02:18:20.000They don't get just purely satisfied by what they actually do.
02:18:25.000They need all these other things to motivate them to keep doing it, and then they get caught up in this numbers game where a guy only has a billion dollars feels like a loser when he's hanging out with Jeff Bezos.
02:18:50.000I can tell you as a person who grew up poor, one of the things that happens is, first initially you worry that you're not going to be able to maintain it.
02:20:22.000Also, your money's not going to be worth as much because of inflation.
02:20:24.000And what if you invest in this fucking hedge fund and this and that and this goes under?
02:20:31.000Or what if you're an idiot and you invest in NFTs or Bitcoin?
02:20:34.000I know a dude who just lost a shitload of money in crypto coin.
02:20:40.000You get nutty, you think it's free money.
02:20:42.000And like, no, it's some kind of crazy thing that's going on.
02:20:45.000We got fake money, some weird created money, and you just spent a lot of real money to buy some of this weird, like, fucking imaginary money.
02:20:56.000Speaking of which, do you want to buy a...
02:23:51.000Getting into the screenshot thing is a tough thing because it's like you own a car, but me having a picture of your car on my phone doesn't mean I own your car.
02:23:57.000Yeah, but you don't understand what I just said earlier.
02:23:59.000I said it's the exact same experience.
02:24:15.000But there's a big difference between owning the Mona Lisa on your phone.
02:24:19.000So, like, the Mona Lisa was only on a phone, and you could just screenshot it, and you would also have the exact same experience of the Mona Lisa.
02:24:25.000The difference in the physical Mona Lisa is it's hundreds of years old.
02:26:46.000Which is, again, it's so much fun being out in the jungle, because whoever you are, no matter how rich you are, no matter how hot your shit is, you're out in the jungle, you're shitting with the dung beetles just like the rest of us.
02:26:58.000So they have bricks of this stuff, or cords of it, and you cut off a little bit of a piece of it, and then you have a flint and a piece of steel, and you knock the two of them together.
02:27:10.000Yeah, they have those rods, the Yeah, exactly.
02:28:12.000And honestly, that's a great idea for expeditions.
02:28:15.000But what we do, we bring these big propane tanks and just throw it on the boat.
02:28:18.000And if you can't bring that, then nothing but like what we have at the camping stores here where they have like the little ones that go in your backpack.
02:28:46.000Yeah, we could probably get it shipped to Lima and then have it shipped down or whatever else.
02:28:49.000But, I mean, right now we have a system that works.
02:28:51.000But, again, to me, this may be me being like a Luddite, but it's like when we're out on expeditions, like, to me, I want everyone's shit off.
02:29:00.000Like, people are like, oh, I have this new device.
02:29:26.000I brought a guy who used to work at National Geographic on an expedition with me and it was a couple local guys, me and my friend Mohsen and him, and we went up this river and In hindsight, he was like, he actually thought we were messing with him.
02:29:37.000He was like, this can't be what you guys do.
02:29:39.000He was like, you just have a fucking boat and tents.
02:29:42.000He was like, it was the bugs, the sand, the brutal, the sun beating.
02:29:46.000He was like, why don't you have a fucking roof?
02:29:48.000Do you become accustomed to the bug bites?
02:31:24.000Have you ever seen the one when he was in Africa and he climbed up the trees and a lion climbed up the trees with him and pulled his hat off?
02:31:32.000I always wanted to ask about that because he's in a hammock and they have meat hanging from the hammock and there's lions like biting their asses.
02:32:54.000But they, so they said you think you're tough.
02:32:56.000So they took a bullet ant and you play bullet ant roulette.
02:32:59.000You just, you know, so we each take a bullet ant and I put it on my arm so it starts walking around and then you take your arm and we just mash our forearms together and we go like this.
02:34:50.000Which like as a two-year-old, that's like being stung in the face by like a wasp the size of this water pitcher.
02:34:56.000Imagine what that feels like if you're a baby, a soft, mushy baby, and that ant just fucks you.
02:35:03.000So they are experiencing it akin to what you experience now.
02:35:08.000So when they're putting the glove on, even though it's horrific and it's getting their whole hand, and there's a bunch of those bullet ants in there, they're probably much more accustomed.
02:35:19.000I think that they have, because they've grown up in the jungle, they're much more accustomed.
02:35:23.000But, I mean, you're watching Steve-O do it.
02:35:25.000Like, I would think twice before putting my hand in that glove and not having a hospital nearby.
02:35:30.000Because I would think that you could go, that could be overwhelming to your system.
02:37:47.000And you're not out there for four hours.
02:37:48.000And you're not sitting on your board waiting for a wave to come.
02:37:51.000I'm not trying to balance my cold-ass knees.
02:37:53.000So to me, I look at Nolan and I go, shit, either he's way tougher than I am, Or he just is predisposed to not really giving a shit about cold water.
02:38:34.000If you're warm in your house and you're looking outside and it's snowing and it's ice on the ground and you're looking at your wetsuit, you're warm.
02:45:07.000Yeah, you probably could literally have it flat on the top of your pack and walk around, at least catch some signal.
02:45:14.000Catch some signal or, you know, for the boat, like, if we go, look, we're going to be going four hours upriver and we know that there's an invasion and we're going with the police to go check out these loggers and there's going to be some fucking action going down.
02:46:48.000And we go jump on a snake with a head this big.
02:46:51.000So we're putting together an expedition to do this now and it's gonna be fun.
02:46:57.000In these areas that you go to, have they ever done any of those LIDAR explorations of it where they fly drones over to try to map out if there was some ancient structures in these areas?
02:47:09.000Yeah, so we talk to local people and they find the terra preta earth and the pottery in the areas that it is.
02:47:17.000So usually the places that it is, and we kind of talked about this, like the Graham Hancock.
02:47:24.000Graham Hancock, I think that on the Amazon proper, I think there was a lot of civilizations.
02:47:30.000Out in the tributaries where I am, it's very rare to come across those things, those ancient civilizations.
02:47:35.000So those people, the uncontacted tribes out in the tributaries, they're probably living the way they've been living for thousands and thousands and thousands of years.
02:47:42.000So my book publisher, it was so funny, I was writing something and I said something about these Stone Age warriors, what this guy must have seen as these Stone Age warriors came and murdered him with arrows, and they were like, how dare you call them Stone Age warriors?
02:47:58.000And I went, they don't even have stones.
02:51:14.000But you're also going to have many more good things, too.
02:51:16.000And the point was, what he really exposed was that the FBI was involved in suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story and that these journalists who studied the Twitter files, Matt Taibbi and Michael Schellenberger and Barry Weiss and all these different people that went over these Documents found that,
02:51:32.000hey, there's something very inappropriate happening where the government is getting these social media companies to take down true stories and to sign off and say that it's Russian disinformation.
02:51:45.000So that's when he became very dangerous to them.
02:51:47.000And so then the narrative of Elon being a white supremacist and Elon being, you know, But then the thing that happens also is he will tweet wacky shit.
02:51:58.000And then he will retweet wacky shit that turns out to not be true.
02:52:02.000And all that, they attack and it builds up and you get a distorted perception of his value in our culture, in our society.
02:52:10.000And he's one of the greatest inventors the world's ever known.
02:52:14.000Engineers we have alive, and he's involved in multiple different industries, and he's changing those multiple industries in incredible ways.
02:52:24.000What they've done with space travel, with SpaceX, where these fucking rockets can land now, what they've done with these Starlink things that we were talking about.
02:52:39.000You wouldn't have Governor Newsom saying that California has to be all electric by 2035, because no one would be making electric fucking cars like that.
02:53:26.000It's what I was talking about with Hollywood.
02:53:28.000When I was talking about how people start making money and they start being very careful about what they say because they're worried about it's going to go away.
02:53:43.000So that is how you get people to stay in line.
02:53:45.000That's how you get people to only think the way they think.
02:53:48.000And then you start reinforcing it in yourself and you start wearing pearls and doing all kinds of wacky shit because you want them to like you.
02:53:54.000You want them to think you're one of them.
02:53:56.000No, that was really creepy because, you know, I mean, I live in the jungle, but, like, I hear about all this stuff, but I don't know, like, who the players are and what the temperature is in the room.
02:54:04.000You just thought it was cool that the guy said you have a cool treehouse.
02:54:06.000He's, like, one of the coolest guys ever.
02:54:08.000If this guy goes to fucking Mars, a historically relevant inventor said something I did was cool.
02:54:24.000And it's primarily the left that's that wacky.
02:54:28.000Like if Bernie Sanders had said, cool treehouse, and you retweeted that, everybody would have loved you, you would have been fine, and the right wouldn't have attacked you.
02:55:23.000And they've decided that you're an alt-right this.
02:55:26.000Or there's been many, many articles written about me being like some fringe right-wing person, which I'm not at all.
02:55:32.000But if they say it enough times, the people that have low information, they believe it.
02:55:36.000Well, but this is where I'm interested in when you say like, okay, And this is like the shit that's going on in Israel, the hysteria that everyone's feeling.
02:55:45.000You're either a good guy or a bad guy.
02:55:59.000When I was a kid, and let's just go back to I was in 8th grade and 9-11.
02:56:03.000Somehow, back then, it seemed like I know there's still corruption and there's a lot of fuckery going on, but somehow things have gotten more off the rails with this stuff where it's like, you know.
02:56:14.000Remember the Obama-Romney debate where they're like, yo, man, what's up?
02:56:18.000And they're like, we disagree, but we agree.
02:56:24.000And so, like, I think that what I've seen in the last few...
02:56:28.000Months or in the last year was that a lot of people...
02:56:31.000Again, I'm really speaking from my perspective here, and I'm just kind of hoping that this is the case for the rest of the world, that people are chilling the fuck out.
02:56:39.000Some people are waking up and realizing how stupid it is and how most of the problems that we have are bullshit.
02:58:04.000It gets really weird, but I think also that what I told the first story I told you about, like, when how we saved the ancient forest, it's like, I think what we've done that's very exciting that we're feeling this swell, we're kind of riding this wave right now, is because...
02:58:18.000The guy with four kids, or classically I had this mom in Ohio message me and she was like, I have two kids, I show them your Instagram, I love what we do, we give you $5 a month.
02:58:26.000And it's like, $5 a month from enough people and we save the whole fucking Amazon.
02:58:30.000Not to mention that then people like Dax Da Silva from Lightspeed reach out and he's like, look man, I won capitalism.
02:58:36.000I'm going to fund your whole Ranger team.
02:58:38.000And it's like, people are reaching out.
02:59:13.000And I was like, I run a fucking rainforest organization.
02:59:16.000And they were like, because, and these guys care so much about their shoe and about how people wear it and about where it's used and the materials.
02:59:24.000And I just read Yvonne Chouinard's book, Let My People Go Surfing, the guy who started Patagonia.
02:59:32.000He, I mean, he just worships rivers and mountains.
03:00:36.000So you're getting a lot of people that are making comments, but people, if they're commenting, I would like to know what percentage of comments, and just overall, if the internet, if anybody's ever done this analysis, are positive versus negative.
03:00:49.000I would have to say it's probably at least 50-50.
03:00:56.000Again, I think I'm jaded, though, because if I look at the YouTube comments on a Lex podcast, all the comments are like, thank you, Lex, for having this important conversation with this amazing person.
03:01:27.000Yeah, if you're getting compared, that's a good guy to get compared to.
03:01:30.000But this polarization is just like, there's a bunch of people that feed into it and they attack people because they know that the people that are on their side are like, yeah, you're one of the good guys.
03:01:39.000And so there's that weird shit where you got a lot of really weak people and mentally ill people that like attacking people.
03:04:50.000And these ideas, they come and they go, and you agree with them or you disagree with them, and sometimes you're going to agree with an idea, and then a few years later, you're going to have some life experiences or talk to some people that'll make you look at things differently, and you go, you know what?
03:05:01.000I used to think this, but I don't think this anymore, and here's why.
03:05:05.000And you have to be very cognizant that your ideas can capture you, and then you can...
03:05:11.000Like, so many people are captured by...
03:05:13.000The way they want people to think of them.
03:05:18.000They want people to think of them in a very specific way, so they'll say the things that they've heard other people say who are accepted, and they'll talk in a certain way.
03:05:33.000So when you do this thing, and so when we build these infrastructures, what we're trying to do, so someone talked like that, and a group of people talked like that, and to get in with that group, you had to kind of talk like that.
03:05:47.000So you let them, oh, Paul is a really good guy.
03:05:50.000So what Paul is doing is quite amazing.
03:05:52.000Paul goes to the Amazon, and he's in the rainforest.
03:05:55.000You know, so they're talking, but this is a thing that they do to let everyone know that they're on the team.
03:06:40.000People have a place in their mind for religion.
03:06:42.000And if you do not have religion in your life, you will take social issues and you will treat them with the same fervor, the same fucking fever pitch that people treat Yeah.
03:07:55.000I get it to celebrate, but it's also gross, you know, and when it was revealed to be gross was when Chris Rock was on stage and Will Smith slapped him and then a few minutes later Will Smith wins an Academy Award and they give him a standing ovation after he just assaulted a guy in front of him.
03:08:10.000It just shows you there's no ethical moral structure to the way these people are living their lives.
03:08:15.000They're living their life by the whim of what the crowd agrees with.
03:08:22.000Like if you if if that happened in any other situation like everyone was just like we don't really know what to do you know like you just keep going well it's also they're afraid of being racist so they don't want us to two black guys are duking it out i can't get involved in this this is not my thing i don't know what to do i'm gay it's like they're just sitting there watching this take place and then they're clapping for him and standing up when he wins the academy award And so the rest of the world,
03:08:48.000unbeknownst to them, had already cast their judgment.
03:08:50.000The rest of the world was like, are you out of your fucking mind?
03:12:14.000I was taking care of somebody that had life-saving surgery, and I was helping them recuperate, and so I was just staying with them, and it was like, you know, you have a brush with death, you see your mortality, things are down, whatever else, and when we caught our breath, I was like, let me just do something.
03:12:30.000And I put on a clip of you, and you were telling the story about a hotel, and it was you, Segura, and Chappelle.
03:12:39.000But anyway, we were watching you guys do various bits of comedy on YouTube, and you guys made this person laugh so hard we had to stop watching it because they were going to bust a stitch.
03:12:49.000It was like the best medicine you've ever seen.
03:12:53.000You were telling a fucking crazy story about waking up in a hotel and everyone's cramming down the exit.
03:14:11.000Well, people are realizing that you don't have to give in to this because it's a small, very vocal minority of people, but most people are tired of it.
03:14:57.000The last time that I saw a scene in a movie that made me really cringe was in Bastards when the bear Jew comes out of the cave and the guy, the Nazi soldier, he's on his knees and you're so used to that they cut.
03:16:14.000Blown out of your seat because Anthony Hopkins is 10 feet from a fucking grizzly bear and then the tree you can tell where they swap if you watch it really closely you could tell where they swap them out and the trainer gets like hit with a paw but this guy is wrestling with his pet bear yo seriously look at this look at this look at this look at that fucking bear look at look at fucking Anthony Hopkins the best how does he live in this how's that even possible because they just tear you apart look at his face Just
03:17:49.000Well, I think they filmed it in like a dense forested area, and I don't think the real incident took place in any sort of environment like that.
03:18:29.000His initial plans were to film the final scenes in Canada, although the weather was ultimately too warm, so they had to go to Argentina where there was snow in the ground to shoot the ending.
03:22:52.000He was Tiger King times 100. But he also, there's like a moment where he transcends and he's like in the grass and there's a fox on his tent and you're like, dude, this is kind of cool.
03:26:56.000That and the thylacine are the only cryptids that I'll entertain conversations about.
03:27:00.000I entertain the sloth one because there's so many of these people in these deep, dense jungles in the Amazon that claim that they've seen them.
03:27:22.000Just like, people don't realize, and I'm telling you, after coming off of these expeditions where we travel for an entire week by land to get, cause you get on a plane, go to, get on a plane and be in Barcelona in a few hours.
03:27:44.000And we deceive ourselves into thinking like, oh yeah, we figured it out.
03:27:46.000But if you fly in a Cessna over the Amazon, and you look at a winding little golden river, and you're looking out over a vast picture of football fields with this tiny little golden filament going through it, and the next one of those golden rivers, which by the way,
03:28:02.000that river is like 100 meters across this giant water artery that's been flowing through the jungle, the next one, as you're in this Cessna looking out over the jungle, The next one is barely in your peripheral vision over there.
03:28:13.000So you're talking about like 110 miles that way as the next...
03:29:47.000The more people that come in and help, We can actually find a way to protect the Amazon rainforest and stop feeling guilty about it.
03:29:54.000Also, Jamie, if you just, last thing, pull up that rhino transport picture.
03:29:57.000I'm taking people out into Africa with the experts at that place, Buffalo Kloof, and people can actually come with me to do some incredible front lines on the ground work with endangered rhinos in Africa, like this type of shit.
03:30:11.000The people who are holding back the extinction of these animals, who are doing kind of research and work protecting these amazing animals, Junglekeepers.org, paulrosley.com, Instagram, all that other shit.
03:30:24.000And we're doing some truly miraculous stuff.
03:30:27.000And a lot of it has to do, Joe, with the fact that you came in and told everybody about it.