The Joe Rogan Experience - October 11, 2024


Joe Rogan Experience #2212 - Jelly Roll

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Jelly Roll
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Kill Tony Jamie Ronnie Van Zandt Dave Attell Johnny Van Zandt Mitzi Theo Vaughn Royce White Carrie Sweet Home Alabama Bert Kreischer David Teller Jared Taylor Leonard Skinner Sam Kinison Joey Diaz Mooney Andrew Schultz Darren Beattie Marvin Gaye and 114 more
Joe Rogan Experience #2211 - Michael Shellenberger Joe Rogan Experience #2213 - Diane K. Boyd

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2 hours and 16 minutes

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Comedian and comedian Joe Rogan returns to the Big Apple to talk about his night at Madison Square Garden. Joe also talks about his love of country music and how he got to meet his good friend, country singer-songwriter Ron White. Joe also gives his thoughts on the upcoming Country Music Country Music Awards and why he thinks there's no such thing as a "golden old man." And of course, there's a little bit about his new song, "Find whatever you can find" by Lady Antebellum, which you should definitely listen to if you haven't already done so! Enjoy the episode and tweet me if you do! Timestamps: 1:00:00 - The night that changed my life 4:30 - How to be yourself 6:15 - There are no rules for age 7:40 - You can do whatever you want 8:20 - There's no rules 9:00- You can express whatever you wanna express 10:00 11:30- You're too old to worry about that 12:20- You don't have to be too old 13:40- Ron White is a legend 14:30 15:15- You should never stop writing 16:00 Is there a rule for age? 17:40 18:00 -- You're a legend? 19:30 -- What are you working on it? 21:40 -- How old are you too old? 22:00-- you're not working the game? 23:30-- You're working too hard? 24:00? 26:00 You're better than you're old enough? 25:00 What's a good guy? 27:00 Do you need to be a good person? 29:00 Can you be yourself? 30:00 Are you old enough to be better than that's a ruleless? ? 32:00 Does it matter if you're a rule-less than you don't care about that? 35:00 How old is too old yet? 36:00 I'm not a rulebreaker? 37:00 No rules for you can be a rule breaker? 39:00 | No rules? 40:00 That's no rule for me? 41:00 This guy is a rule breaker?

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00:00:01.000 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out!
00:00:04.000 The Joe Rogan Experience.
00:00:06.000 Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.
00:00:12.000 Let's go!
00:00:13.000 I'm back with my bubba!
00:00:15.000 My man, I haven't seen you since Master's Square Garden.
00:00:18.000 That was crazy.
00:00:18.000 What a great night that was, dude.
00:00:20.000 What an experience, man.
00:00:22.000 Dude, it was so...
00:00:22.000 I was thinking about it pulling up here.
00:00:25.000 I think y'all just got out of Vulcan and the club had just opened.
00:00:28.000 And I came that night to see Ron White.
00:00:30.000 And I went back that Monday to see Kill Tony.
00:00:32.000 And I could feel the Kill Tony thing happening over COVID at Vulcan.
00:00:37.000 So I had to go see it in person, you know?
00:00:39.000 Yeah.
00:00:39.000 And I could remember sitting in there.
00:00:41.000 And you know how, like, You can feel an energy shift.
00:00:44.000 Yeah.
00:00:45.000 I felt an energy shift in life in that room that night.
00:00:49.000 I was like...
00:00:50.000 This is fixing to explode. 0.98
00:00:52.000 Like, everything associated with this club, everything associated with Tony, everything associated with Joe is fixing to fucking rocket ship. 0.95
00:01:01.000 And it felt like, almost like, I'm getting goosebumps, Joe. 0.98
00:01:04.000 I'm not even bullshit. 0.88
00:01:04.000 I'm getting goosebumps, too. 0.88
00:01:05.000 I'm getting goosebumps.
00:01:06.000 It's almost like, I swear, dude.
00:01:07.000 It was like feeling the grunge movement in the 90s.
00:01:12.000 Like, when you first heard a little something, you were like, this is different.
00:01:16.000 And you were like, this could be something.
00:01:18.000 And then it just turned out to be the explosion.
00:01:20.000 It's like, I felt that happening. 1.00
00:01:21.000 So to see Tony at fucking Madison Square Garden, and then to see how y'all showed up for Tony at Madison Square Garden, every fucking comedian on earth came to see that dude to fucking kiss him on his fucking cheek. 0.99
00:01:34.000 I had to be there. 0.99
00:01:36.000 I was there in the beginning.
00:01:37.000 I was there when there was like 18 comedians in the crowd.
00:01:40.000 Is that not crazy?
00:01:41.000 It was crazy.
00:01:41.000 They were doing it in the belly room of the Comedy Store.
00:01:43.000 It was just like an afterthought.
00:01:45.000 They couldn't do any of the other rooms because they didn't have an audience.
00:01:48.000 And Tony just had this weird idea that he just, like a little pit bull, just stuck with it.
00:01:54.000 One minute of comedy and he honed it over time and then he became the best host in all of entertainment.
00:02:03.000 There's no one better at hosting a comedy show than him.
00:02:06.000 The way he does that show, the speed of his comebacks, the speed of the roast lines.
00:02:12.000 I tell Tony all the time, I say, Tony, I love you, and that panel is the coolest thing I've ever seen, but you are the show, brother.
00:02:19.000 We would all tune in if you were sitting up there by yourself.
00:02:22.000 Like, you were just so sharp.
00:02:24.000 I relate to it, too, Joe.
00:02:25.000 I compare art forms.
00:02:27.000 It's just something I like to do.
00:02:29.000 I know some people don't.
00:02:30.000 But watching Tony, I feel a kinship to Tony and Andrew Schultz in a certain way because I feel like we all kind of met each other right before it happened for all of us.
00:02:41.000 All right.
00:02:41.000 Like I remember me and Schultz doing the opener up song at the five, four, you know, he was doing two nights at Zaney's, two shows, one show, you know, one show a night.
00:02:49.000 You know what I mean?
00:02:50.000 And I was doing a thousand seat club in the South.
00:02:53.000 You know what I mean?
00:02:53.000 And Tony was still kill Tony.
00:02:55.000 And you know what I mean? 0.99
00:02:56.000 And we're all fucking old. 0.98
00:02:59.000 The fact that it happened for all of us in our late 30s is even cooler. 0.97
00:03:04.000 So it's this double kinship.
00:03:05.000 When I was nominated for New Artist of the Year at almost 40, that's the first time that it ever happened in CMA history in country music.
00:03:12.000 But this year, most of those kids are 27 and under. 0.98
00:03:15.000 Here I was a 40-year-old fucking man up there. 0.99
00:03:17.000 You're a beautiful example that there's no rules. 1.00
00:03:20.000 Yes.
00:03:21.000 There's no rules. 1.00
00:03:22.000 It's all bullshit. 0.99
00:03:22.000 Just be yourself. 0.99
00:03:23.000 Just be yourself.
00:03:24.000 Do your best.
00:03:25.000 Find whatever it is inside you that you can express.
00:03:28.000 That's it.
00:03:28.000 There's no rules.
00:03:29.000 There's no rules for age.
00:03:31.000 Like, Ron White used to worry about that all the time.
00:03:32.000 I think I'm too old. 0.99
00:03:33.000 What are you—you're Ron motherfucking White. 0.99
00:03:36.000 You're a legend. 0.98
00:03:37.000 But it's like that humility that he has, even though he's got great confidence in his ability, like Ron is a very humble guy, as successful as he is, but that humility that he is is also that constantly has him writing, constantly has him working.
00:03:52.000 He's 40 years in the game, he never stops.
00:03:55.000 And he's better now than he's ever been before. 0.96
00:03:58.000 Now that he's sober, Like, he's a monster. 0.97
00:04:00.000 A monster on stage. 0.98
00:04:02.000 Imagine hitting...
00:04:03.000 So to me, Ron White is on Mount Rushmore of comedy.
00:04:07.000 For me personally, I know it's subjective.
00:04:08.000 Me too.
00:04:08.000 Some people are going to, you know, whatever.
00:04:10.000 But for me, because I judge comedy as a fan of like...
00:04:13.000 I look at skits like...
00:04:14.000 I mean, I look at specials like...
00:04:16.000 What songs stood out to me the most in the whole special?
00:04:19.000 Like, your special was your album.
00:04:20.000 How many songs do you have that I tell my friends about, like it's my song?
00:04:24.000 Right, right, right.
00:04:25.000 You know what I mean?
00:04:25.000 Like, to me, Ron White has done more of that.
00:04:28.000 I have more Ron White bits memorized than any other comedian. 0.98
00:04:32.000 Just by default of how good he is at weaving these little quick two-minute stories of just complete white trashery and drunkery, which is just my fucking specialty. 0.97
00:04:41.000 I feel like he grew up on my street. 0.98
00:04:43.000 You know what I'm saying?
00:04:44.000 My mama likes Ron White.
00:04:46.000 You know what I mean?
00:04:46.000 He was the first guy out here.
00:04:48.000 He was the first guy that came.
00:04:50.000 He moved here before the pandemic.
00:04:51.000 That's crazy. 0.99
00:04:52.000 Because he was always with us at the store, and then one day I called him up, I'm like, where the fuck you been, man? 0.99
00:04:56.000 He goes, I moved to Austin. 1.00
00:04:58.000 Fuck it. 1.00
00:04:59.000 Back to Texas. 1.00
00:04:59.000 He just loved it. 1.00
00:05:01.000 He's like, there's no traffic, everyone's nice.
00:05:03.000 And I started thinking about it then.
00:05:04.000 He planted like the first seeds in like 2018. I was like, can I live in Austin?
00:05:09.000 Fuck, I don't know. 1.00
00:05:10.000 Because my instinct has always been to move to the mountains. 1.00
00:05:13.000 I want to live somewhere where there's no people.
00:05:15.000 Did you have mountains in mind when you romanticized it?
00:05:19.000 Did you ever think of what mountains you would move to if you did it?
00:05:22.000 I really liked the mountains above Boulder.
00:05:25.000 I lived there for a little while, in 2009. But when I think about Montana sometimes, I think about just someplace more peaceful, Wyoming.
00:05:35.000 Somewhere just a little more peaceful. 0.99
00:05:36.000 Cold as fuck in the winter, but just like more real. 0.99
00:05:41.000 And that was my thought when I was living in LA, but it was like a necessity to get the fuck out of there. 0.99
00:05:46.000 When the COVID stuff was going on, I'm like, they're not gonna let this go. 0.86
00:05:49.000 They're gonna keep us in control.
00:05:51.000 Once they have control of you like they had during the pandemic, wear a mask, gotta get a vaccine, can't go here, can't go there, no businesses, everything's shut down, all the restaurants go under, all the comedy clubs go under.
00:06:03.000 When they were doing that, I was like, they're not gonna let this go. 0.96
00:06:05.000 I gotta get the fuck out of here. 0.98
00:06:06.000 And when we came to Texas, It was wide open. 0.99
00:06:11.000 Some places made you wear a mask, but it was a joke.
00:06:15.000 It was a goof.
00:06:16.000 It was weird.
00:06:17.000 It was like a completely different universe.
00:06:20.000 My kids were young, man.
00:06:21.000 They were 10 and 12, and they wanted to go to restaurants.
00:06:24.000 I'm like, we can go to a restaurant here and sit indoors.
00:06:26.000 Everyone was terrified in LA, and they just weren't here.
00:06:30.000 And the same result, the same thing happened to everybody, but over here it was a way more peaceful experience.
00:06:38.000 And Ron, when we were out here, we started doing shows at the Vulcan.
00:06:43.000 And one night, the first time Ron had been on stage in like eight months, he just grabbed me by my shoulders. 0.95
00:06:48.000 He's like, whatever the fuck we have to do, we're going to keep doing this. 0.98
00:06:51.000 He's like, you got to open up a club. 0.99
00:06:53.000 And I'm like, all right, that's it.
00:06:55.000 We're opening up a club.
00:06:56.000 And the process began.
00:06:57.000 All because of Ron.
00:06:59.000 Ron led me to think about moving here.
00:07:03.000 Ron was already out here.
00:07:04.000 So I knew that if I did move to Austin, at least Ron's here.
00:07:07.000 Yeah. 0.97
00:07:08.000 You know, and then Tony moved here, and then Brian Simpson moved here, and then the fucking, just the train kept a rolling all night long. 0.98
00:07:16.000 It was nuts. 0.96
00:07:17.000 I think it was by default, it was kind of a universe thing where there was a little bit of stale water that needed to be stirred.
00:07:23.000 Yeah.
00:07:23.000 And when you came, that stale water stirred and it awakened everybody.
00:07:27.000 Like, hold on, there's choices outside of the same routine that we've been, because, you know, I mean, I'm sure y'all's life was store, store, store, weekends out, store, store.
00:07:34.000 It was improv, too.
00:07:35.000 I did it in the Ice House.
00:07:37.000 There was a few clubs we did, like, on a regular.
00:07:40.000 You know, because the more places to work out, the better.
00:07:43.000 You know, and when we were, there were so many of us, too.
00:07:46.000 You know, we'd have shows.
00:07:48.000 It's like Bill Burr's on, me, Tom Segura, Bert Kreischer.
00:07:51.000 They're crazy shows.
00:07:52.000 Crazy shows.
00:07:53.000 Because everybody was in L.A. It was a beautiful thing up until they shut everything down.
00:07:58.000 It's that beautiful here now, though, Bob.
00:08:00.000 That's what's crazy.
00:08:01.000 That's what I'm saying.
00:08:02.000 The water is complete.
00:08:03.000 I mean, it is.
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00:09:01.000 So every weekend there's these big national headliners, so they come in on Tuesday, Wednesday, and we're fucking around all week.
00:09:07.000 We're just having a great time, hanging out. 0.65
00:09:09.000 That's how I describe your club.
00:09:11.000 I was like, it's the gym for the greatest comedians in the world, Tuesday through Thursday, and then the other greatest comedians in the world come and rent it from Friday to Sunday.
00:09:20.000 I was like, it's crazy, dude.
00:09:22.000 It's like, no matter what day or show you want.
00:09:23.000 And then you have Kill Tony, that's the anchor.
00:09:25.000 Kill Tony is the anchor of comedy in the known universe.
00:09:29.000 Really, that's a grandiose statement, I know.
00:09:31.000 But what Kill Tony shows you is like every comic wants a reaction.
00:09:36.000 And some comics, unfortunately, if you're in specific areas, like very liberal areas, like Silver Lake has a problem with this, like those kind of places, where everyone's like super woke and they want to let everyone else know that they're super woke.
00:09:49.000 It's like a kind of thing you have to do.
00:09:51.000 So you get ideologically captured. 1.00
00:09:55.000 You make material that's bullshit. 0.99
00:09:57.000 You get claptor. 1.00
00:09:58.000 What Kill Tony makes you do is you have one fucking minute. 0.99
00:10:01.000 You have one minute and there's obviously no rules. 1.00
00:10:04.000 By the time you get on stage, you've seen Cam go crazy, you've seen Hans Kim say some ridiculous shit, maybe you've seen William Montgomery or Brian Holtz, but you've seen maniacs on stage killing. 0.98
00:10:15.000 And so you got one minute just crack. 0.99
00:10:18.000 It's time to crack.
00:10:19.000 So it sets a tone for comedy.
00:10:22.000 That comedy is just entertaining.
00:10:24.000 No matter how you put it out, no matter what it is, what your style is, what you like to talk about, whether you're Nate Bargatze or whether you're Shane Gillis.
00:10:33.000 There's just a different way to do it.
00:10:35.000 Everybody's got their own way to do it.
00:10:37.000 But it's just, just go try to find your way.
00:10:40.000 Don't try any tricks. 0.99
00:10:41.000 Don't try to sneak in some fucking ideological bullshit just because you think people are going to agree with you and like you more and clap and cheat and you're going to say something profound. 1.00
00:10:50.000 Shut up. 1.00
00:10:51.000 You got one minute. 1.00
00:10:51.000 So that sets a tone for all the people coming up. 1.00
00:10:54.000 It's so real!
00:10:55.000 I never thought of it that way.
00:10:56.000 It's so real.
00:10:56.000 It's one of the most important things that's ever happened in comedy.
00:10:59.000 Nobody's trying to impose their beliefs on you real quick. 0.98
00:11:01.000 They're just trying to make, they got 60 seconds to get a fucking laugh. 0.99
00:11:04.000 And the Kill Tony crowd will boo you if you don't. 0.99
00:11:07.000 You've got about 30 seconds with them in an arena.
00:11:10.000 In an arena?
00:11:11.000 Real dangerous grounds, dude.
00:11:13.000 Bro, they were, especially New Yorkers.
00:11:15.000 The first show in New York.
00:11:17.000 They were rough.
00:11:19.000 They were rough.
00:11:20.000 They go hard.
00:11:21.000 You know when I knew the arena thing was going to be huge for Tony?
00:11:23.000 I flew down here for the first one he did, because we were drunk at the bar that night, and he was like, I'm going to play an arena.
00:11:28.000 I was like, I'm going to come sing the national anthem.
00:11:30.000 It was a joke, because I don't sing the national anthem.
00:11:32.000 I have a rule.
00:11:33.000 I don't sing the national anthem.
00:11:35.000 But I told him I was going to do it, so I came down.
00:11:37.000 And we're watching the first comedian this night at the HEB Center, right?
00:11:42.000 The first bucket pull comes up. 0.98
00:11:44.000 And you could tell this bitch did not have any idea she was going to get called or anything to say. 1.00
00:11:50.000 This is the first you talking about a gift from God for Tony, right? 0.98
00:11:55.000 She's not up there 18 seconds, Joe, before they realize that she's just, you know, falafeling. 0.96
00:12:00.000 The boo birds came.
00:12:02.000 They didn't start slowly and grow like they normally do.
00:12:04.000 It was like 13 or 12,000 people made the decision at once.
00:12:10.000 Boo! 0.83
00:12:11.000 What a horrible feeling.
00:12:15.000 What a horrible feeling.
00:12:16.000 And I was like, oh yeah, this is gonna explode in arenas. 1.00
00:12:19.000 I was like, Kill Tony's gonna fuck in arenas. 1.00
00:12:21.000 It's the best show for that kind of an audience. 1.00
00:12:24.000 We watch it every Monday on the bus.
00:12:26.000 It's so chaotic.
00:12:26.000 Full disclosure, like, as a bus.
00:12:28.000 Imagine, like...
00:12:30.000 A bunch of music dudes every Monday that were like, religiously.
00:12:33.000 It's something we have together, you know what I mean?
00:12:36.000 It's something that the whole band can agree on.
00:12:38.000 The other thing about Kill Tony was, in the beginning, Tony wasn't famous, no one was famous, and they were just going hard.
00:12:45.000 And then, as everyone got famous, they kept going hard.
00:12:48.000 Whereas it's very hard to just jump in and do something that wild now.
00:12:53.000 And there was nothing like it during COVID. There was nothing like it.
00:12:56.000 You had this live show every week in front of a live audience, and everybody else is locked down where you have to wear your fucking mask where you're walking your dog. 0.99
00:13:03.000 You know, like, what is going on? 0.99
00:13:05.000 No, you're having to bring it.
00:13:06.000 It was also just like this...
00:13:09.000 Rejection of norm, you know, rejection of whatever people think the comedy industry is.
00:13:16.000 Because people think the comedy industry is like some group of people with power that control and give people specials that don't deserve it.
00:13:24.000 There's all this like weird...
00:13:25.000 Weird thoughts about the comedy business.
00:13:28.000 But when the comedy business is only comedians, it's a completely different experience.
00:13:33.000 And that's what Kill Tony is.
00:13:34.000 There's no business element behind it.
00:13:37.000 There's no networks.
00:13:37.000 There's no producers.
00:13:38.000 There's no executive worrying about their fucking mortgage. 0.99
00:13:42.000 You can't say that, Tony. 0.99
00:13:44.000 There's none of that.
00:13:45.000 So it's just wild.
00:13:46.000 No, it's complete chaos all the time.
00:13:49.000 It's the greatest show on the internet, period.
00:13:50.000 That's the truth. 1.00
00:13:51.000 It fucking rules. 0.98
00:13:52.000 But you're talking about people that do more when they get there. 0.98
00:13:56.000 And me and you were talking off-record, I mean off-record, off-microphone when we were walking in here about, you hang around nine long enough, you'll be the tenth.
00:14:02.000 Yeah.
00:14:03.000 And God bless me that in the last few years, in light of my success, I've had really cool friends.
00:14:08.000 Like Tony and I have become really good friends.
00:14:10.000 You and I have become really good friends.
00:14:11.000 And I've been able to watch, like a student of the game, guys like y'all, Bert, Tom, and go, man, these dudes are turning the heat up.
00:14:19.000 As it matters, like the content's flowing like it's only getting bigger.
00:14:23.000 Last year, Joe...
00:14:25.000 My most successful year of my career, I wrote more songs than I've ever wrote in a single year as a free man.
00:14:31.000 That's amazing. 0.98
00:14:31.000 Jail's a different concept because fuck what, I wrote a song a day. 0.98
00:14:35.000 You know what I mean? 0.98
00:14:35.000 But I wrote a hundred and... 0.98
00:14:37.000 I turned in a hundred and seventy songs to my publisher last year. 0.99
00:14:40.000 Holy shit. 0.97
00:14:41.000 I just couldn't quit writing them. 0.99
00:14:42.000 I was on the bus.
00:14:43.000 I just could not...
00:14:43.000 I could not...
00:14:44.000 At every corner...
00:14:45.000 I was getting done with show.
00:14:46.000 You know, I do five shows a week.
00:14:47.000 It's just how we tour.
00:14:49.000 I was getting straight on the bus and just grabbing a guitar and just pouring ideas.
00:14:53.000 I'm putting out 27 songs when this podcast is out.
00:14:56.000 My album Beautifully Broken is out right now.
00:14:59.000 I had 22 on the album and I had five or six features that I was going to do for Deluxe next week.
00:15:04.000 And my wife tees one of the songs that's kind of doing good. 0.66
00:15:06.000 So I think I'm just going to drop them all tomorrow.
00:15:08.000 Today, technically, anyway.
00:15:09.000 So...
00:15:10.000 Dude, you're so at home on stage.
00:15:11.000 It's crazy.
00:15:12.000 You know, when you did New York, New York at Madison Square Garden, I asked you, I'm like, how often do you just do this?
00:15:18.000 Just get up there and sing.
00:15:19.000 How often are you doing this?
00:15:20.000 It's a crazy thing because it's like just you.
00:15:23.000 You just are you up there.
00:15:25.000 You know, 15,000 people, 50,000 people.
00:15:28.000 It's just jelly roll.
00:15:29.000 Yeah, that's it.
00:15:30.000 That's when a guy's like, you know, you're just so in the zone and so on top of your game.
00:15:35.000 It's just beautiful to watch someone that's in the zone.
00:15:38.000 Because you recognize that feeling is a great feeling.
00:15:41.000 When you're just like totally in tune with what you're doing.
00:15:44.000 I love when I see a comic that's in there.
00:15:46.000 When you know it's a flow.
00:15:48.000 Yeah.
00:15:48.000 You know what I mean?
00:15:49.000 Last time Dave Attell was here, it was right before he filmed his special.
00:15:53.000 My God.
00:15:54.000 It was magic.
00:15:56.000 He's so different.
00:15:57.000 Oh my god, he's so good right now.
00:15:58.000 If you get a chance to see Dave Attell live, if you're a comedy fan, you have to see him.
00:16:02.000 And now I'm sure he's got a whole bunch of new stuff because his special's out. 0.99
00:16:06.000 God damn, he's in this fucking flow. 0.99
00:16:09.000 He's like a zen master up there. 1.00
00:16:12.000 It's weird.
00:16:13.000 It's scary how comfortable he is.
00:16:14.000 So I've never been to the Cellar.
00:16:16.000 It's been a dream of mine.
00:16:17.000 I had a night in New York.
00:16:18.000 I'd finished TV, so I went to the Cellar that night.
00:16:20.000 And I got Dave Attell's number on Burt's tour.
00:16:22.000 I went on Burt's fully loaded tour this year for fun.
00:16:25.000 Did I tell you the story?
00:16:27.000 I think so. 1.00
00:16:27.000 I think I told you, but just like to fuck off. 1.00
00:16:29.000 I called Bert and was like, yo, can I just park my bus and just come fuck off for like five or six shows? 1.00
00:16:33.000 And he was like, what? 0.99
00:16:34.000 I was like, yeah.
00:16:35.000 He was like, will you sing? 1.00
00:16:36.000 I was like, fuck yeah, whatever. 0.99
00:16:37.000 I'll come sing a song or two. 0.99
00:16:38.000 So I just go up with a guitar every night between comedians, right?
00:16:41.000 That's amazing.
00:16:42.000 But me and Dave would hang out every night.
00:16:43.000 Me, Dave, Big J, Oakerson, Soder, Morrell.
00:16:48.000 And we would all just, Bert, I'm just like having the cool...
00:16:52.000 I'm just like...
00:16:54.000 Rarely quiet as I am back there, because I'm just listening, because these dudes are the greatest storytellers ever, telling old stories.
00:17:00.000 Great guys, too.
00:17:02.000 Soder, he's the best.
00:17:03.000 Soder's the dude, son. 0.99
00:17:05.000 Sam's fucking amazing, too. 0.96
00:17:07.000 They're just such good guys, too. 0.98
00:17:09.000 And such good, real, just different-level comedians, too, man.
00:17:11.000 They're great comedians, but they're just great people, too.
00:17:14.000 They're fun to hang with.
00:17:15.000 There's a great crop.
00:17:16.000 It's a great crop of people coming up right now.
00:17:19.000 You know, Norman and Shane and all these guys coming up right now are so good.
00:17:23.000 So fun.
00:17:24.000 It's a different level.
00:17:25.000 David Till gives me his number.
00:17:26.000 He's like, call me if you're ever in New York.
00:17:28.000 I know I see he has a flip phone, right?
00:17:29.000 Yeah.
00:17:30.000 He pulls the flip phone out.
00:17:31.000 So I'm in New York and I just like randomly and I say, Dave, when I call you, I'm going to be in New York City trying to find you.
00:17:38.000 OK, he said he said, no problem.
00:17:39.000 I'll be at the cellar.
00:17:40.000 It's what he tells me.
00:17:40.000 Right.
00:17:41.000 I call this dude, me and Ian Finance are sitting at the bar, and I say, I'm going to call Dave and see what time he's coming.
00:17:47.000 I call, third ring, Dave answers and go, you here?
00:17:50.000 I go, I am.
00:17:51.000 He goes, you need help getting in?
00:17:53.000 I was like, I'm in.
00:17:53.000 He said, see you in a few.
00:17:54.000 Flips the phone down.
00:17:58.000 It was the most David Dale thing ever.
00:18:00.000 He's one of the only guys I know that stopped partying, got completely sober, and got way better.
00:18:06.000 Way better.
00:18:07.000 A lot of guys, there's like this thing that they have when they're, you know, doing drugs especially.
00:18:14.000 Where they're just wild.
00:18:16.000 And sometimes that wildness is like a magical energy on stage.
00:18:21.000 Like I couldn't imagine a sober Kinnison.
00:18:23.000 That would have been really weird. 1.00
00:18:25.000 Like Kinnison's whole thing was like, I'm here to fucking party! 0.99
00:18:29.000 Like he was partying, dude, hard. 0.99
00:18:31.000 And that's why we didn't get much out of him.
00:18:33.000 We only got like really a couple of good albums out of Kinnison.
00:18:36.000 Because he's just going too hard.
00:18:38.000 His family came to my show in El Paso.
00:18:40.000 Polly sent them.
00:18:43.000 And they brought me Sam Kennison's original gospel discs.
00:18:49.000 Oh, wow.
00:18:50.000 They gave me like five of them, Joe.
00:18:52.000 It's like one of my most prized possessions now.
00:18:54.000 How is it?
00:18:54.000 How's the music?
00:18:55.000 Oh, it's crazy.
00:18:56.000 Well, it's a lot of preaching on there, too.
00:18:58.000 Is it preaching and singing?
00:18:59.000 Yeah, it was a lot of preaching on the first one.
00:19:00.000 I didn't get to the second one yet.
00:19:01.000 I hadn't had a disc player.
00:19:03.000 They brought all five of them. 0.98
00:19:04.000 I was so scared to fuck them up, I immediately put them in a pelican crate and sent them home. 1.00
00:19:08.000 I was like, this is crazy. 0.99
00:19:10.000 You know what I mean?
00:19:11.000 The whole Kennison family, there's like ten of them in there, sharing all these cool stories.
00:19:16.000 Polly said, the Kennison family wants to come see your show.
00:19:18.000 I said, I want them to see my show because so much of my show is derivative from Sam Kennison.
00:19:24.000 You know what I mean?
00:19:25.000 I'm a southern gospel man anyways.
00:19:27.000 I went to a southern church, so I just understood Kennison's inflections and that kind of thing.
00:19:32.000 It just spoke to me from where I'm from.
00:19:35.000 So it's like I have always tried to—I tell people I'm somewhere between Billy Graham and Sam Kennison.
00:19:41.000 You know what I mean?
00:19:43.000 I do the Moody's Center in November.
00:19:46.000 It's the middle of the week, too.
00:19:47.000 You should be able to make it.
00:19:48.000 It'll be fun.
00:19:49.000 I'm trying to talk Carrie into putting a closed on Mitzi's door sign that says, Closed Gone to the Jelly Roll Show. 1.00
00:19:55.000 Speaking of Mitzi's, can I tell you something?
00:19:57.000 I've been waiting to talk to you about this in person.
00:20:01.000 I was so inspired by the time I spent with you down here, and more importantly, the time I spent at your club, even without you.
00:20:08.000 They treat me.
00:20:09.000 I don't know if you hear the stories, but I've become a fixture of furniture there when I'm in town.
00:20:14.000 And...
00:20:15.000 I am opening, I'm announcing this now right here, that I am opening my bar on Broadway in Nashville, Tennessee, which is a real big deal.
00:20:22.000 You've been to Broadway.
00:20:22.000 It's all after country music stars.
00:20:24.000 I'm the first Nashville native to get a bar.
00:20:27.000 So like the first kid from the city to get a bar.
00:20:30.000 But I was so inspired by the way the mothership has Mitzi's.
00:20:34.000 And it's like an honor to Mitzi's.
00:20:36.000 And what y'all do that I have put, my bar's going to be called Jelly Roll's Goodnight Nashville.
00:20:40.000 But I have a back bar called Buddy's named after my late father.
00:20:45.000 Ah.
00:20:45.000 And it was completely inspired from what you have done at Mitzi's.
00:20:49.000 Oh, that's great.
00:20:50.000 All the way down to the we're going to set his chair there for him.
00:20:53.000 You know what I mean?
00:20:53.000 Like, it's just so inspiring.
00:20:55.000 And it's going to be just like y'all.
00:20:56.000 Our rule is it's open to the public when it's open to the public.
00:21:00.000 And when it's not, it's not.
00:21:01.000 Right.
00:21:02.000 You know what I mean?
00:21:02.000 Yeah, like Menzies.
00:21:03.000 Yeah, it's like, because that place has created such a safe place for me to party.
00:21:07.000 This is what me and Post Malone talk about when we're drunk by ourselves.
00:21:10.000 We're like, we need to go back to Jalston.
00:21:11.000 Let's just go hang out.
00:21:12.000 It's like the safest bar in the world.
00:21:14.000 You know what I'm saying?
00:21:15.000 It's like, I can say anything here.
00:21:17.000 I know I'm okay.
00:21:18.000 Everybody's cool.
00:21:19.000 The whole staff's cool.
00:21:21.000 The staff's mostly comedians.
00:21:23.000 But my question was, can I send my buddy's bartender to hang out with Carrie for a week and shadow her? 0.91
00:21:29.000 A hundred percent.
00:21:29.000 Okay.
00:21:30.000 Carrie said she's into it.
00:21:31.000 She just said, ask Joe.
00:21:32.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:21:32.000 Whatever you need.
00:21:33.000 Yeah.
00:21:34.000 Yeah, that's a great idea.
00:21:34.000 I think I'm going to send her down in November around my show here.
00:21:37.000 I'm going to bring her with me so she can meet Carrie that night.
00:21:39.000 Because Carrie runs the ultimate celebrity bar to me. 1.00
00:21:43.000 Yeah.
00:21:43.000 Like, she deals with complete chaos down there with them comedians.
00:21:46.000 I've watched it.
00:21:47.000 It is wild.
00:21:48.000 Well, Carrie learned how to do it at the store. 1.00
00:21:50.000 That's why I hired her. 0.98
00:21:52.000 She was one of the first hires.
00:21:53.000 Because I told her, I go, you know, she was like one of the first people I contacted.
00:21:57.000 I'm like, I'm going to open up a club.
00:21:59.000 She's awesome, dude.
00:22:00.000 I had to get her out here because she was like the mother of the back bar. 1.00
00:22:04.000 That's how I feel.
00:22:04.000 So the back bar at the store was, it was completely removed.
00:22:08.000 There's no general public at all.
00:22:09.000 It's a very small, you've ever been in the back bar at the store?
00:22:12.000 Oh, yeah.
00:22:12.000 Yeah.
00:22:12.000 So Carrie ran that place.
00:22:14.000 So she kept everybody in line. 0.85
00:22:15.000 Punky was there, too, before Punky was on SNL. It's hilarious.
00:22:18.000 She used to run that back bar, too. 1.00
00:22:20.000 And we used to all hang out there.
00:22:22.000 Like anybody, you know, you could be safe there.
00:22:25.000 All these celebrities, people from out of town, they'd all just find their way to that weird little private bar.
00:22:30.000 So I kind of knew.
00:22:31.000 And originally, Mitzi's was not going to be open to the public at all.
00:22:34.000 It was just going to be a private bar.
00:22:37.000 But then along the way, we said, you know what?
00:22:39.000 It doesn't hurt to have it open to the general public up until a certain time.
00:22:43.000 And then from that time out, have it everybody after the shows are over.
00:22:47.000 Because that's when everybody really wants to hang.
00:22:49.000 And that was the best blending of both worlds.
00:22:52.000 But that old bar in Hollywood was...
00:22:56.000 It had her bar from her home that they had moved and put there.
00:23:01.000 So the actual bar that you put drinks on was from her home.
00:23:04.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:23:05.000 So it's like that there was like a piece of her there with us all the time.
00:23:09.000 So when we decided to do this place, I'm like we gotta have a bar just for Mitzi.
00:23:14.000 Just it's the same kind of same kind of vibe.
00:23:18.000 It touched my soul in such a way that I wanted to do it for my father.
00:23:22.000 That's awesome.
00:23:22.000 You know what I mean?
00:23:23.000 So I just want you to know that the Mitzi legacy has went even further and that what y'all have created there is spreading on to...
00:23:29.000 You almost got me emotional talking about a woman I never even met.
00:23:32.000 I just know she did so much for you.
00:23:33.000 She did so much for everybody.
00:23:35.000 She's the most important person in the history of comedy that's not a comedian.
00:23:40.000 Polly shared some really cool stories with me about her, and it's just, man, it's just unreal.
00:23:44.000 I got to spend a little time with Polly because I went to that back bar there. 1.00
00:23:48.000 The cool thing is, because of y'all, I've now found y'all's community embraces me everywhere now, so I'm safe.
00:23:53.000 If I'm in a city now, if I'm in L.A., I'm like, where's the comedy club?
00:23:57.000 I bet they got a back bar. 0.99
00:23:59.000 Call Adam Ray.
00:24:00.000 You know what I'm saying?
00:24:01.000 Adam Ray's like, hey, I'm at the back bar at the store!
00:24:03.000 Come on! 0.61
00:24:03.000 I'm like, yes! 0.61
00:24:05.000 On the way!
00:24:07.000 Yeah, it's a fun group of people.
00:24:09.000 Contrary to popular belief. 0.98
00:24:11.000 Popular belief is that comedians are all miserable. 0.76
00:24:14.000 No, dude, it's actually the funniest... 0.95
00:24:15.000 The greatest...
00:24:17.000 Storytellers ever.
00:24:18.000 I could listen to guys like Burt talk all night.
00:24:21.000 Yeah.
00:24:21.000 I could listen to Joey Diaz talk all night.
00:24:23.000 I've known Joey for 30 years.
00:24:24.000 He still tells me new stories.
00:24:25.000 Yeah.
00:24:25.000 It's crazy.
00:24:26.000 No, dude.
00:24:27.000 It's crazy, man.
00:24:28.000 How do you still have stories?
00:24:29.000 It's crazy, dude.
00:24:30.000 Joey could go to the store today and have a story.
00:24:32.000 Oh, yeah.
00:24:33.000 You know what I mean? 0.98
00:24:34.000 It'd just be fucking one of the best stories ever. 1.00
00:24:36.000 Joey's a monster. 0.99
00:24:37.000 I think we're all in the storytelling business, right? 0.92
00:24:38.000 That's what I do, too.
00:24:39.000 Sure.
00:24:40.000 I'm telling stories.
00:24:41.000 I'm not doing it in a comedic way, but I'm still telling a story.
00:24:46.000 You know what I mean?
00:24:46.000 It's all that kind of story.
00:24:47.000 I am attracted to storytellers.
00:24:50.000 I think we all are.
00:24:51.000 I mean, that's why you love a good movie.
00:24:53.000 That's why you love a good book.
00:24:54.000 Especially one that's somebody that can tell a story that can capture you in a certain way.
00:24:58.000 I think it was probably the oldest form of entertainment, right?
00:25:01.000 Once people, when they first started learning language, I bet the oldest form of entertainment was probably recreating a thing they saw.
00:25:09.000 Right.
00:25:09.000 Yeah.
00:25:10.000 Had to be, right?
00:25:11.000 Yeah, for sure.
00:25:12.000 Think about the old, let's sit around the campfire, read stories.
00:25:15.000 Sure, sure.
00:25:16.000 I'm sure they were telling tales.
00:25:17.000 Tall tales is what they used to call them.
00:25:19.000 Think about how long we've been hearing these kind of stories of people just telling stories.
00:25:22.000 Also, back then, that was the only time in your day that you got to relax.
00:25:26.000 Mm.
00:25:27.000 When you're sitting around the campfire, that was the only time.
00:25:30.000 It was dark out.
00:25:31.000 There was nothing to do.
00:25:32.000 You found all the food you're going to find and you're going to get up in the morning and go right back at it all day long again and then eventually find your way back to the campfire.
00:25:40.000 So the campfire was like the time where people would sit around and entertain each other.
00:25:44.000 Wow.
00:25:45.000 In prehistory.
00:25:46.000 Yeah.
00:25:46.000 That's deep.
00:25:47.000 Because you're thinking about it from a hunting perspective, too.
00:25:49.000 They had to go out all day and find the food.
00:25:51.000 You could only do that when the sun was out.
00:25:53.000 You could only do it when the sun was out. 0.98
00:25:54.000 In the nighttime, it's fucking dangerous, because there's predators out there. 0.93
00:25:57.000 So fire is the best thing to keep off the predators. 0.97
00:26:00.000 You need a fire, and everybody gathers around the fire, because the predators don't want to come to the fire. 1.00
00:26:05.000 Fuck, man. 1.00
00:26:06.000 And that's where people learn how to tell stories. 1.00
00:26:08.000 That's why we're so attracted to it. 0.99
00:26:10.000 They were doing fucking drugs back then, too, I'm sure. 0.99
00:26:12.000 Oh, 100%. 1.00
00:26:13.000 They were smoking pot and doing all kinds of things. 0.98
00:26:15.000 Somebody had already figured out that cow shit mushrooms could make you feel great. 0.98
00:26:18.000 Yeah, 100%. 0.96
00:26:20.000 100%.
00:26:21.000 They tried everything.
00:26:22.000 They were starving.
00:26:23.000 They tried a little bit of eating everything, and they figured out what you can eat and what kills you.
00:26:26.000 Imagine going through mushrooms and trying to figure out which ones kill you and which ones get you to see God.
00:26:31.000 Yeah.
00:26:31.000 They had to figure that out trial and error.
00:26:33.000 How many times they had to go through it and go back and go, listen, y'all, I've done this a few times and I'm pretty confident that there is this thing that grows in a pile of shit that makes me feel fucking like God. 1.00
00:26:43.000 You know what I'm saying? 1.00
00:26:44.000 It's crazy, dude.
00:26:45.000 Somebody had to be that guy.
00:26:46.000 Did you ever hear about John Marco Allegro in the book The Sacred Mushroom and the Scrolls?
00:26:51.000 Mm-mm.
00:26:52.000 It's Sacred Mushroom in the Christian Myth.
00:26:57.000 There's two different...
00:26:59.000 Sacred Mushroom in the Dead Sea Scrolls, I think, is one of them.
00:27:02.000 What are the titles of his book?
00:27:05.000 Sacred Mushroom in the Cross.
00:27:07.000 And then there is another one?
00:27:09.000 There's another one that he released after the Catholic Church allegedly bought out all the copies of the first one to get rid of it.
00:27:15.000 Something in the Christian Myth. 0.94
00:27:19.000 The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Christian Myth.
00:27:20.000 I read the Dead Sea Scrolls.
00:27:21.000 So this guy thinks that all of religion is stories about mushrooms.
00:27:25.000 He thinks that the entire Christian religion was about psychedelic mushrooms and fertility rituals.
00:27:31.000 He thinks that what they were doing was they would have these stories, especially when they're conquered by the Romans, they'd have these stories so they would hide the truth in stories.
00:27:49.000 I can tell you this I mean, I'm a man of faith, but on brand with that is Jesus told stories and he taught in stories.
00:27:58.000 Jesus never gave a direction.
00:28:01.000 He always was just like, well, and then he'd tell a story and you would have to figure out, you know what I mean?
00:28:07.000 It was like, okay, this story would show the, it was always in story form too.
00:28:11.000 Maybe they knew that was the best way to ensure that people would tell it the same way every time.
00:28:16.000 Ooh.
00:28:17.000 You know, because if you have a story, in the story, Noah has an ark, and he brings the animals in the ark, and God tells him he's going to do this, and he's going to do that, and he does it, and then, you know, if you have a story, then that information keeps getting told essentially the same way over and over and over again.
00:28:33.000 Like, we can read the Epic of Gilgamesh today.
00:28:36.000 That's a 6,000-year-old story, something like that, 5,000.
00:28:41.000 We can read that today.
00:28:42.000 That's nuts, right?
00:28:44.000 That's crazy.
00:28:45.000 Because it's a story.
00:28:47.000 But if it was just people talking about what you should do or what happened and, you know, like, when it's history, man, we can't trust history from the 60s.
00:28:57.000 History from the 60s. 0.98
00:28:58.000 We're finding out new shit every day about the Kennedy assassination. 1.00
00:29:02.000 That was fucking 63, man! 1.00
00:29:04.000 63! 1.00
00:29:05.000 That's 51 fucking years ago! 0.99
00:29:07.000 That's insane! 1.00
00:29:07.000 And we're still trying to figure out what the fuck happened. 1.00
00:29:10.000 And this is like with modern, like they had television, they had printing press, they had all these different things. 0.98
00:29:17.000 They had accountability, they had elected officials, they had democracy. 0.98
00:29:20.000 Still can't figure out what the fuck happened. 0.99
00:29:23.000 And that's 63. So imagine trying to figure out what the fuck happened 5,000 years ago. 0.99
00:29:29.000 It's like, who knows who's telling the truth? 0.97
00:29:32.000 Who knows?
00:29:32.000 You've got to sort through the rubble and figure out what the facts show.
00:29:37.000 But if you have a story, even if it's like there's something hidden in that story, and he thinks that that's what the apple was in the Garden of Eden.
00:29:47.000 That's deep.
00:29:48.000 All that was in stories.
00:29:49.000 The thing about stories, too, is they said, I've never been to the pyramids, but they said that All that stuff on the inside of it is just a story, right?
00:29:56.000 It's all telling a story to a degree.
00:29:57.000 The hieroglyphics, some of them, sure.
00:29:59.000 Yeah, the hieroglyphics are like telling stories, or when they have the guys chasing these things with the spears, they're like trying to show a story.
00:30:05.000 It's all trying to tell a story, man.
00:30:06.000 And a lot of mushrooms, too.
00:30:08.000 Yeah.
00:30:08.000 There's a lot of images of them with mushrooms.
00:30:10.000 I might do mushrooms a day.
00:30:11.000 It's my album release today.
00:30:12.000 I'm thinking about it.
00:30:13.000 I don't know if I want to do mushrooms.
00:30:15.000 God, they should be legal.
00:30:16.000 I know, right?
00:30:16.000 God, they should be legal.
00:30:18.000 They should be legal and regulated and people should figure out what the fuck they do. 0.96
00:30:21.000 Should do a lot of research. 0.90
00:30:23.000 Figure out what this is.
00:30:24.000 This might be the thing that gets us out of there.
00:30:26.000 Just a micro-dosing nation that connects together. 0.97
00:30:30.000 I know every time I've went deep, it was life-changing for me.
00:30:34.000 Like, I'll do a lot of mushrooms every now and then, just like, you know, ooh, let's get...
00:30:37.000 But any time I was like, let's go...
00:30:40.000 It was a life-changing experience every time.
00:30:41.000 It's funny that people want to reject that.
00:30:44.000 What's really important is to keep people from losing their mind and losing their ambition and becoming like the hippies were in the 1960s following Timothy Leary.
00:30:53.000 That's what everybody's worried about.
00:30:55.000 Everybody's worried about this collapse of society because people, they give up on capitalism, they tune in and drop out, you know, that whole thing.
00:31:04.000 I don't think that's real.
00:31:07.000 I don't think we should be worried about that.
00:31:11.000 I think those people are always going to want to drop out. 1.00
00:31:14.000 The people that want to fuck off are always going to want to fuck off. 1.00
00:31:17.000 And if you give them an excuse, yeah, they're going to do it. 1.00
00:31:19.000 But that's just a style of person.
00:31:21.000 That's not going to affect most people.
00:31:23.000 Most people would benefit, especially if they're not crazy, if they don't have mental health problems.
00:31:28.000 You'll probably get something out of it.
00:31:31.000 Yeah, I mean, it's helped me in some of my most depressed moments.
00:31:33.000 If I'm really in a dark, dark spot and can't get out of it, my wife will encourage me to go trip.
00:31:39.000 She'll be like, why don't you go?
00:31:40.000 We got this called the Buffalo River back in Tennessee.
00:31:43.000 It's outside of a little town called Hornwall, Tennessee.
00:31:46.000 Old Country River, man.
00:31:48.000 I mean, look, Country Creek River.
00:31:49.000 I mean, it's a river, but it's kind of shallow.
00:31:51.000 You can see the bottom of it.
00:31:52.000 It's called Floating the Buffalo.
00:31:53.000 We'll go out there and just float the buffalo.
00:31:56.000 And every now and about twice a year, me and the buddies will go out there and we'll just take six or seven. 0.99
00:32:01.000 Damn. 0.99
00:32:01.000 And just float the buffalo. 0.99
00:32:02.000 Damn. 0.99
00:32:03.000 So if I haven't got to do it in a year because of the schedule, my wife will feel that on me and be like... 1.00
00:32:07.000 No, you might need to go to the Buffalo.
00:32:09.000 You know what I'm saying?
00:32:10.000 She'll say it really cool.
00:32:11.000 She'll be like, when's the last time you floated the Buffalo?
00:32:14.000 And I'll be like, man, it's been a year, hasn't it?
00:32:15.000 She'll be like, I think you and Scary Larry is one of my best friends.
00:32:18.000 And we met each other in Juvenile Hall.
00:32:21.000 He's just a wild character.
00:32:23.000 She goes, you and Scary should go float the Buffalo. 0.99
00:32:25.000 She'll just like, encourage me.
00:32:26.000 She knows I'm going to come back a way better husband, way better father.
00:32:30.000 You know what the wildest theory I've ever heard about psilocybin is?
00:32:34.000 Is that it came from outer space.
00:32:37.000 That's an organism from another planet.
00:32:39.000 And the reason for this is that they know that spores can survive in the vacuum of space.
00:32:47.000 And there's a thing called panspermia.
00:32:50.000 What panspermia is, is the idea that like an asteroid slams into a planet And it takes amino acids and biological organisms that can survive in space and a bunch of different elements from that planet and then introduces those new elements to another planet by way of an asteroid.
00:33:07.000 And that's a real thing that we know for sure happens, right?
00:33:11.000 And they know that that's how we get iridium.
00:33:13.000 There's a lot of iridium on Earth, like in places where there's been an impact because it's really rare on Earth but really common in space. 0.99
00:33:20.000 So we know that some shit gets to us. 0.86
00:33:22.000 And apparently, I'm too stupid to understand this, but the way botanists describe it, and see if you can find any information on this, there's something very unusual about the compound psilocybin and psilocybin and cubensis mushrooms. 0.99
00:33:36.000 They're very weird, and they're not really connected to a lot of the other fungus that's here in some strange way.
00:33:44.000 The way they work is also very tied into human neurochemistry.
00:33:49.000 It's really close to dimethyltryptamine, which is a part of human neurochemistry.
00:33:53.000 And so, the craziest theory is that it's come from space.
00:33:56.000 Living spores have been found and collected in every level of Earth's atmosphere.
00:34:00.000 Mushroom spores are electron dense and can survive in the vacuum of space.
00:34:04.000 Additionally, their outer layer is actually metallic and of a purple hue, which naturally allows the spore to deflect ultraviolet light.
00:34:12.000 And as if all this wasn't unique enough, the outer shell of the spore is the hardest organic compound to exist in nature.
00:34:21.000 So this is one of the weirder theories.
00:34:24.000 Was this Terence McKenna's theory?
00:34:26.000 Are mushrooms from outer space?
00:34:28.000 It brings him up.
00:34:29.000 I don't know if it's officially his theory.
00:34:31.000 The late ethnobotanist Terence McKenna suggests that mushrooms are responsible for human intelligence.
00:34:36.000 Yeah, he had a theory.
00:34:37.000 It's called the stoned ape theory.
00:34:39.000 Yeah, I heard about that on your pod.
00:34:41.000 His theory hypothesized that mushroom spores possess all the necessary requirements to travel on space currents.
00:34:46.000 Furthermore, they could have settled in the brain matter of primitive hominoids and following the lines of modern-day hallucinogenic mushrooms directly contributed to our modern-day intelligence and self-awareness. 0.99
00:35:00.000 It's fucking wild.
00:35:02.000 Yeah, his theory is that's why I mean if you can see it there click on that back again you can see Where it was talking about his theory so his his theory is very very bizarre So he went on to theorize that mushrooms are the reason there's human life on Earth. 0.92
00:35:18.000 Yeah.
00:35:19.000 So while it may seem like material from space, from a science fiction novel rather, there is no avoiding the fact that mushrooms possess many traits that are unique to their kingdom alone.
00:35:27.000 Fungi build cell walls of, I don't know how to say that word, chitin? 1.00
00:35:31.000 Chitin? 0.99
00:35:32.000 Chitin? 0.99
00:35:33.000 The same material that makes up the hard outer shell of insects and other arthropods.
00:35:37.000 I'm so country I said chittin. 0.88
00:35:38.000 Chittin.
00:35:39.000 Could be chittin.
00:35:40.000 Chittin.
00:35:40.000 Like chitlins.
00:35:42.000 These cell walls contain similar chemicals found in butterfly and beetle wings as well as the plumage of some colorful birds such as peacocks, living spores.
00:35:51.000 Okay, so we've read that, but there was something about his theory where he was explaining his theory of how it would have worked.
00:35:59.000 That's it?
00:36:00.000 Well, essentially his theory was that they experimented with mushrooms, and it made them better hunters, and it made them more creative, and it made them figure out language.
00:36:09.000 And he thinks it's responsible for this weird mystery of the human brain size.
00:36:15.000 It doubled over a period of two million years, and there's no real solid explanation.
00:36:20.000 It's a very strange thing.
00:36:23.000 Apparently the biggest mystery in all the fossil record when it comes to animals and evolution.
00:36:28.000 Really?
00:36:28.000 Yeah, how'd the human brain double over two million years?
00:36:31.000 Oh, dude, it hadn't been psilocybin.
00:36:33.000 Probably had a part of it.
00:36:34.000 Or aliens.
00:36:35.000 Right.
00:36:36.000 Maybe aliens.
00:36:37.000 Yeah.
00:36:37.000 Maybe both.
00:36:38.000 Maybe they are aliens.
00:36:40.000 You know?
00:36:41.000 Maybe they are aliens.
00:36:42.000 Maybe we're just looking the wrong way. 1.00
00:36:45.000 Maybe we're fucking aliens, right? 1.00
00:36:46.000 I think we probably are. 1.00
00:36:48.000 I think we probably are.
00:36:49.000 It doesn't seem like we belong here.
00:36:51.000 You know what I tell somebody all the time?
00:36:52.000 My new theory is, because my life turned out in such a way I never dreamed, that this is a simulation.
00:36:57.000 And that there is an overweight, nerdy alien that plays me.
00:37:01.000 And that during my...
00:37:02.000 I think about this all the time when I'm high.
00:37:04.000 And that my sleeping hours are like when he's doing his normal stuff, and my waking hours are his two hours a day.
00:37:10.000 And I just imagine this kid that's looking back like, Mom, you won't believe what I've done with that fat dude the last nine months. 0.99
00:37:17.000 It's fucking crazy. 0.98
00:37:19.000 He's one of the most famous artists in the world. 1.00
00:37:21.000 And she's like, you gotta get off.
00:37:23.000 He's like, but he's going to the Grammys!
00:37:26.000 Yeah, it's like a super hype version of Red Dead Redemption.
00:37:29.000 You know what it is?
00:37:32.000 My dude's telling people, like, y'all remember that dude we thought wasn't gonna do it?
00:37:35.000 He did it! 0.98
00:37:35.000 He fucking figured it out! 0.98
00:37:37.000 If it's a simulation, it's a really good one. 0.99
00:37:39.000 We're in a good timeline, brother.
00:37:40.000 Oh, it couldn't be better, man.
00:37:41.000 We're in a really good episode. 0.99
00:37:43.000 We got a fucking good group of writers. 0.99
00:37:45.000 It couldn't have got any coming. 1.00
00:37:47.000 It's like, if you're on the show and you got writers like this, like, fuck, these writers are amazing. 1.00
00:37:52.000 This fucking show is always entertaining. 1.00
00:37:54.000 Every day there's some drama. 1.00
00:37:56.000 Yeah.
00:37:57.000 Oh, especially right now.
00:37:58.000 We're in the middle of the drama.
00:37:59.000 Oh my goodness.
00:38:00.000 There's so much.
00:38:01.000 There's so much. 1.00
00:38:02.000 You could get overwhelmed just looking at the fucking news every day. 0.98
00:38:05.000 It's a great time for me to be in the middle of a tour. 0.99
00:38:07.000 Yes.
00:38:07.000 Because I've missed it all.
00:38:09.000 I'm doing five shows a week and I'm so in the vortex of touring.
00:38:12.000 Yeah, good. 0.99
00:38:13.000 We do that old school rock and roll shit. 0.99
00:38:14.000 So we really do play five shows a week for 12, 13 weeks, you know? 0.99
00:38:18.000 That's amazing.
00:38:19.000 It's awesome, dude.
00:38:20.000 But again, that's why you're so comfortable up there.
00:38:22.000 You're so just...
00:38:24.000 Yeah.
00:38:24.000 It reeks of a man that's done a thousand shots.
00:38:26.000 You know what I mean?
00:38:27.000 It's like when you see a comedian up there really comfortable. 0.98
00:38:29.000 It's like when I watched the tale at the Comedy Cellar, when he leaned back on the wall, I was like, oh, he's fitting to kill.
00:38:35.000 When he just walked straight up and leaned back. 0.99
00:38:38.000 And then he calls Ian up and Ian's just throwing, you know, just shit at him. 0.99
00:38:42.000 And he's just lighting Ian on fire. 0.99
00:38:43.000 It was so good, man.
00:38:45.000 Yeah, that's a good hammer and nail, the two of those guys together, too.
00:38:48.000 He did that at the club here, too.
00:38:50.000 I feel like it reminds me of the early phases of a bumping mics thing, like a new version of that. 0.95
00:38:57.000 Because when him and Jeff Ross are together, it's like when David Lucas and Tony are firing on each other.
00:39:02.000 I feel the exact same way when Jeff Ross and David Teller near each other.
00:39:06.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:39:06.000 I get that same excited feeling of like, ooh, some shit's gonna pop off. 0.99
00:39:10.000 You know what I'm saying? 1.00
00:39:11.000 Yeah, when David and Tony go after each other, there's like hours on the internet of just David and Tony shitting on each other. 0.99
00:39:17.000 There's a hundred thousand ways David can call Tony gay. 0.99
00:39:21.000 Yeah, and he's called David a hundred thousand ways to be fat. 0.86
00:39:26.000 It's also the way they laugh at each other doing it.
00:39:29.000 Like, if this is a simulation, man, we picked a really good one.
00:39:32.000 Yeah, it's getting cooler and cooler.
00:39:34.000 Elon believes it's a simulation.
00:39:35.000 He's a lot smarter than me.
00:39:36.000 Yeah.
00:39:37.000 He thinks the odds that it's not a simulation are in the billions.
00:39:42.000 Really?
00:39:43.000 Yeah, in the billions, he said.
00:39:44.000 Wow.
00:39:45.000 I'm telling you, dude, there's a little dude that nobody believes in.
00:39:48.000 He's going to school every day like, my Minecraft dude is killing it.
00:39:50.000 Do you get that imposter syndrome thing ever?
00:39:54.000 Oh, man, so much.
00:39:56.000 I'm...
00:39:58.000 I'm somewhere between feeling extremely uncomfortable where I'm at in my career right now or overly comfortable where I'm at in my career.
00:40:06.000 So I'm either having to catch myself and go, whoa, big fella.
00:40:08.000 Right.
00:40:09.000 Come on now, dawg.
00:40:10.000 You were just in jail.
00:40:12.000 People that knew you six years ago hate you still.
00:40:14.000 You know what I'm saying?
00:40:15.000 It's like...
00:40:19.000 And then I have situations where I'm like, I don't belong here.
00:40:22.000 I'm having that moment right now.
00:40:24.000 This is my first album, Joe, that is going to be in a fight for the number one album in the world.
00:40:32.000 Never dreamed. 0.91
00:40:33.000 Now, this is like, what the fuck am I doing here? 0.98
00:40:36.000 You know what I mean? 0.97
00:40:37.000 Like, that's a different world.
00:40:39.000 Do you think that's maybe something that you shouldn't even think about?
00:40:42.000 Because, like, your music's amazing.
00:40:44.000 You're amazing.
00:40:45.000 Maybe all that, just let it just exist.
00:40:49.000 No, that's what I've been...
00:40:51.000 Because it's so big now.
00:40:52.000 It's almost like if you pay attention to it, you're going to go blind.
00:40:55.000 Oh! 0.60
00:40:55.000 You know what I'm saying? 0.60
00:40:56.000 Like you're kind of staring at the sun.
00:40:58.000 You're kind of staring at the sun.
00:40:59.000 Like it used to be you had a little campfire and you're warming your hands because it's cold outside.
00:41:04.000 But now you're kind of staring at the sun.
00:41:06.000 And maybe just be Jelly Roll.
00:41:08.000 That's what I... Yeah.
00:41:10.000 But being Jelly Roll got me to the point that they're now saying I might have a number one album.
00:41:15.000 You probably will.
00:41:16.000 You know what I'm saying? 1.00
00:41:16.000 And then you're in a place where you're like, holy fuck. 1.00
00:41:18.000 And that's where the imposter syndrome comes in. 0.99
00:41:20.000 Because you're like, yo, I wasn't even...
00:41:23.000 That's where friends are bored.
00:41:24.000 Yeah.
00:41:25.000 I didn't have a Billboard Hot 100 song until 36 months ago.
00:41:31.000 You know what I mean?
00:41:32.000 You exploded.
00:41:33.000 But you handle it beautifully.
00:41:35.000 You really do.
00:41:37.000 Because you feel like genuine gratitude.
00:41:40.000 Genuine gratitude comes off of you.
00:41:42.000 Thank you.
00:41:43.000 It's real.
00:41:43.000 I am true.
00:41:44.000 You feel it.
00:41:44.000 I mean, you know me.
00:41:45.000 I can't believe this is happening.
00:41:48.000 I know you can't, but it is. 0.98
00:41:49.000 It's the fucking wildest thing ever, dude. 0.98
00:41:51.000 It is, and we deserve it. 0.99
00:41:53.000 I was just with our boy Brigham doing some blood work and getting some shit to make my feel, but I broke my heel. 0.76
00:42:01.000 And we were talking about that of like...
00:42:06.000 Living in the gratitude of it and realizing, even you saying that we're such a special simulation.
00:42:14.000 Yeah.
00:42:16.000 The time of this, I know I keep going back to the same point, but it's where my heart is right now, is watching me and a bunch of guys that were all at this kind of same thing at the same time three or four years ago, that you could feel the teapot bubbling.
00:42:29.000 And all of us being like a little left of center.
00:42:32.000 You know what I mean?
00:42:33.000 Like, I wasn't supposed to be in country music the way that they've embraced me.
00:42:37.000 Outside looking in, you'd have never guessed.
00:42:39.000 Outside looking in, you could have never said that Kill Tony would be the number one live podcast on the internet.
00:42:44.000 You know what I mean?
00:42:45.000 Or that Schultz's podcast would be...
00:42:47.000 Or that...
00:42:49.000 Me and Zach Bryan would have this similar...
00:42:54.000 Of course, he ended up being way bigger than me, but this similar kind of...
00:42:58.000 We're writing songs our whole life that nobody really heard, and then all of a sudden they got just...
00:43:04.000 It's probably the craziest synergies that could have ever happened in any scenario for me in any way.
00:43:12.000 And it's inspired me to get healthy.
00:43:15.000 It's like gave me purpose and I've never felt more loved.
00:43:19.000 I've never felt more warmed or welcomed.
00:43:21.000 I spent so much time feeling the opposite of loved, you know?
00:43:25.000 Even walking in here and playing with Carl, there was a time in my life where I would have walked in here and that dog would have let y'all know I was not a good person.
00:43:32.000 You know what I'm saying?
00:43:33.000 You would have just looked and been like, why is Carl acting weird with this big guy?
00:43:37.000 You know what I mean?
00:43:38.000 Kids were the same way, dude.
00:43:39.000 Kids would look at me and squall.
00:43:41.000 You know what I mean?
00:43:42.000 And it's really inspired me to start focusing on my health, too.
00:43:46.000 Dude, I'm down 100 pounds now. 0.98
00:43:48.000 Officially down 100 fucking pounds. 0.99
00:43:50.000 That's amazing. 0.99
00:43:51.000 Congratulations.
00:43:51.000 That's really huge.
00:43:52.000 That's a massive accomplishment.
00:43:54.000 Thank you, brother.
00:43:55.000 It's been all food.
00:43:56.000 I'm working out, I'm walking, but what I've learned is as I'm losing the weight, it's inspiring me to just...
00:44:01.000 Keep going. 0.83
00:44:02.000 By nature, I want to go walking, do more stuff, because I fucking, I'm lighter. 0.88
00:44:05.000 I feel better. 0.79
00:44:06.000 So when the homie's like, you want to go play basketball? 1.00
00:44:07.000 We're playing basketball three days a week now.
00:44:09.000 Wow.
00:44:10.000 You want to hear the coolest act of love, Joe?
00:44:12.000 I'll try not to get emotional talking about this, but...
00:44:14.000 My whole band...
00:44:18.000 has watched me fight.
00:44:24.000 Cocaine addiction.
00:44:25.000 They watched me get off coke.
00:44:26.000 They watched me get off lean They've watched me figure my life out slowly and they knew that the last mountain for me was food So we started putting a real structure around I hired a real nutritionist.
00:44:39.000 He's out here with me now I mean like I'm only eating his food. 0.97
00:44:41.000 I'm just like super with it We're getting anything that could you know out of the green room for just so I'm working out every day walking around the arenas and And one day they have a basketball court, because we're fucking playing in a... 0.98
00:44:52.000 This is insane, by the way, that I'm playing fucking NBA arenas. 0.98
00:44:55.000 And, like, I'm playing where the fucking Orlando... 0.99
00:44:57.000 I'm on an Orlando Magic court! 0.99
00:44:58.000 Like, what the... 1.00
00:44:59.000 I feel like a fucking fat shack! 1.00
00:45:01.000 But, um... 0.99
00:45:02.000 So the first day, it's just, like, me and, like, three or four dudes.
00:45:06.000 The crew heard.
00:45:07.000 Dude, the next day, 30. The whole crew showed up for me.
00:45:12.000 These dudes, they're just there because they know it's helping me, kind of. 0.98
00:45:15.000 So now, three days a week, we're renting basketball courts and having full-blown fucking tournaments. 0.95
00:45:19.000 And it's been so good for me because it's like reconnecting to my childhood in this really weird way. 0.96
00:45:25.000 I grew up in a community where there were basketball courts and we would all go play.
00:45:28.000 You know what I mean?
00:45:29.000 It's been really like...
00:45:31.000 It's been the best experience ever. 0.99
00:45:33.000 And I'm getting to do it in like, back to that weird shit. 0.97
00:45:35.000 Not only are you experiencing this with your friends and people you love, and then you're doing it at the San Antonio Spurs court. 0.99
00:45:40.000 And the San Antonio Spurs coach is out there giving you pointers and fucking being the referee. 0.97
00:45:44.000 That's amazing. 1.00
00:45:45.000 And you're the Sacramento Kings coach is fucking shooting with you. 0.99
00:45:48.000 You know what I mean? 0.99
00:45:49.000 Yeah, Elon's right.
00:45:50.000 This ain't real life.
00:45:53.000 No, I'm...
00:45:54.000 It can't be.
00:45:55.000 It's unreal, dude, leaving Nationwide Arena.
00:45:57.000 But I was also telling Brigham, talking about the humility too, is that I'm still nervous walking in here.
00:46:03.000 We're friends.
00:46:05.000 And you know, what you tell us all the time is what you told Brink.
00:46:07.000 You know what he's going to tell you?
00:46:07.000 We're just two friends talking.
00:46:08.000 I was like, I know what. 1.00
00:46:09.000 20 million motherfuckers listening, dog. 1.00
00:46:11.000 I'm not falling for that. 1.00
00:46:12.000 We're just two buddies talking shit. 1.00
00:46:14.000 Don't look at the sun. 1.00
00:46:15.000 That's it.
00:46:16.000 You're right.
00:46:16.000 It's the same thing.
00:46:17.000 Don't look at the sun.
00:46:17.000 You know how much I needed to hear that?
00:46:19.000 Yeah.
00:46:19.000 Especially like, because I don't get in my head about stuff, but just this week was the first time the label called and said, hey, we want to put this on your radar because it might make you want to promote the record.
00:46:30.000 You might have a number one album. 0.96
00:46:32.000 And I was like, whoa, dude, this shit wasn't even in my mind. 0.96
00:46:35.000 When I had a number five album last year, you couldn't have told me I didn't have a number one album. 0.99
00:46:39.000 You know what I'm saying? 1.00
00:46:40.000 I was like, fuck you! 1.00
00:46:41.000 Crazy. 1.00
00:46:42.000 You know what I'm saying? 0.75
00:46:43.000 What's in this one?
00:46:44.000 Water.
00:46:44.000 This is coffee, that's water.
00:46:45.000 Okay.
00:46:46.000 Yeah, it's a wild experience, man.
00:46:48.000 And if it's not real, boy, we picked a really good simulation.
00:46:52.000 It's been great, though, man.
00:46:54.000 It's great to hear that you're on this positive track, because it's all now just about momentum.
00:46:58.000 It's just about staying on the course.
00:47:00.000 That's what's hard for people, is getting the good momentum.
00:47:03.000 I'm building the momentum.
00:47:04.000 I had a moment the other day, I was telling Schultz this.
00:47:07.000 It was a really small win, but for a lifelong food addict.
00:47:10.000 Joe, I was up to 550-something pounds.
00:47:13.000 I was having to weigh myself at meat places.
00:47:17.000 And I was telling him that I used to walk in and like a drug addict, I would scan the room and make a count of everything I could eat.
00:47:25.000 You know what I mean?
00:47:26.000 Like if you had like the little baby Snickers and a little thing or...
00:47:30.000 The other day I was in my green room and somebody was in the green room and they picked up a piece of candy and said, you want one of these?
00:47:38.000 Because we just got hit in a dab or something.
00:47:40.000 I didn't even know the candy was in there, Jeff. 0.99
00:47:42.000 Because normally they get the candy, they don't put shit like that in my room. 0.98
00:47:44.000 And that was the first time I was like, oh, I'm on to something. 0.99
00:47:47.000 Like, I'm fucking winning right now. 0.92
00:47:49.000 Like, I didn't even notice. 0.99
00:47:51.000 I could have been eating them for five hours.
00:47:53.000 I didn't know.
00:47:54.000 I would have ate them all.
00:47:56.000 I didn't even scan for candy.
00:47:57.000 It's not even a thought now when I walk into places.
00:48:00.000 Is there a candy dish here?
00:48:02.000 You know what I mean?
00:48:02.000 That used to be literally one of the first things I would look for.
00:48:05.000 You know, is there a candy dish here? 0.99
00:48:07.000 I've had to make so many different small habit changes, but it's been the fucking... 0.97
00:48:12.000 I was just telling Bubba out there, and I was telling Bruce on the way in here, I feel this good just losing 100 pounds, Joe, and I'm still... 0.87
00:48:19.000 I've never told my weight, but I'm going to tell it here because I want some accountability from people.
00:48:24.000 I'm 420-something now, 420. And...
00:48:28.000 Imagine, I'm walking around different, talking different, my shoulders are setting different, I'm fucking my wife different, I'm just kind of, you know, I'm moving different. 1.00
00:48:37.000 Bro, you probably have crazy powerful legs. 1.00
00:48:39.000 Dude, it's crazy, Joe.
00:48:41.000 I bet you have massive leg muscles.
00:48:42.000 I've been going to the gym now.
00:48:44.000 Listen, dude, as much as you can fit on that thing, I'm throwing.
00:48:47.000 Of course.
00:48:48.000 Throwing.
00:48:49.000 Think about it, man.
00:48:50.000 You've been carrying around 500 pounds.
00:48:52.000 Yeah, 500 plus. 0.99
00:48:53.000 Your legs must be sturdy as fuck. 0.99
00:48:55.000 And if you could lose weight now, you're gonna have like super legs. 0.99
00:48:58.000 Should you keep going? 0.91
00:49:00.000 Joe, man, my goal is when I come back and do this next year, it's gonna be fucking insane.
00:49:06.000 Like, I've never been more dialed in. 0.91
00:49:08.000 I've never cared more about it.
00:49:10.000 I've never been happier.
00:49:11.000 What are you eating?
00:49:11.000 Like, what has he got you eating?
00:49:12.000 Oh, dude, man, he's here.
00:49:14.000 He's actually been really killing it for me. 0.99
00:49:17.000 So, from eating bad for so many years, my gut has just been fucked. 0.98
00:49:22.000 So we've just been focusing on slowing down the gut. 0.92
00:49:25.000 I'm only eating twice a day.
00:49:26.000 I'm eating a fruit snack in between.
00:49:28.000 You ever do any fasting?
00:49:29.000 Mm-hmm.
00:49:29.000 Yeah.
00:49:30.000 I'm trying to fast one day a week now just to work on like the autophagy so some of these skin cells so I won't be as full.
00:49:35.000 I don't want to be saggy.
00:49:36.000 You know what I mean?
00:49:37.000 Because I'm going to lose that kind of weight.
00:49:38.000 You know that story about that one dude that went on nothing but a vitamin IV drip for a year?
00:49:43.000 For a year and lost 200-something pounds.
00:49:44.000 I think he lost 300 pounds.
00:49:46.000 Yeah, I've watched that story.
00:49:47.000 Didn't he lose like 300 pounds?
00:49:48.000 Something crazy like that.
00:49:49.000 The dude had no food for you.
00:49:52.000 And his fat shrunk, but his skin shrunk, too.
00:49:55.000 Yeah, that's what happens.
00:49:56.000 Somebody told me, and I could have the name wrong here, y'all, but it's called autophagy.
00:50:00.000 Have you heard of this?
00:50:01.000 I think autophagy is...
00:50:03.000 Ain't that where the skin cells... 0.99
00:50:04.000 I think your body gets rid of all bad cells.
00:50:08.000 This is like something that comes with fasting.
00:50:10.000 Bad cells is definitely a scientific version of it, but I think...
00:50:13.000 I think the way they explain it to me is that it has something to do with the elasticity of the skin, and that is what helps.
00:50:22.000 So that's why one day a week, at least every other week, I'm just taking a full 24 hours.
00:50:27.000 But I'm only eating probably eight or nine hours a day now anyway, so I'm kind of intermittent anyways.
00:50:31.000 That's the real bummer when people lose a lot of weight is that you got all this extra skin. 0.97
00:50:35.000 Like Ethan Supli, he had to have all that shit cut and stitched up. 0.97
00:50:39.000 I've listened to that podcast with him twice in the last 90 days. 0.99
00:50:44.000 Really?
00:50:44.000 He has a full three-hour podcast his first year.
00:50:47.000 Just to kind of...
00:50:48.000 I love the way he thinks.
00:50:49.000 Yeah.
00:50:50.000 It's just, you know...
00:50:50.000 He's a brilliant guy.
00:50:51.000 I love...
00:50:52.000 For me, I'm always looking for, like, inspiration.
00:50:55.000 As a...
00:50:57.000 As a songwriter, we're always writing a song.
00:50:59.000 You know, as a comedian, you're always looking for a joke.
00:51:01.000 You know what I mean?
00:51:02.000 So that kind of...
00:51:04.000 I'm always looking for that.
00:51:05.000 So when I found that pod, I was like, oh, this dude...
00:51:07.000 And he kind of did what I would...
00:51:10.000 How he looks now is a dream scenario for me.
00:51:12.000 He didn't get, like, crazy big, but he doesn't look, like, saggy sick.
00:51:16.000 Because sometimes when you go from...
00:51:18.000 Being as big as we've gotten, you get down to 300 pounds and people start looking at you like, are you okay? 0.89
00:51:24.000 And you're like, I'm fucking better than I've ever been! 0.77
00:51:26.000 You know what I mean? 0.94
00:51:27.000 They're worried.
00:51:27.000 Yeah, they're worried.
00:51:28.000 But they just couldn't imagine.
00:51:30.000 You know what I mean?
00:51:31.000 Even when I just told...
00:51:32.000 I always forget his name, but your guy out there, the archer guy.
00:51:36.000 Worked at the archery store.
00:51:37.000 Great guy.
00:51:37.000 But I was just telling him that I... Yeah, same thing.
00:51:42.000 Same concept.
00:51:44.000 Yeah, if you just keep going, you know, it'll become normal for you to not eat candy, normal for you to eat healthy food, it'll be what you crave.
00:51:53.000 Lots of protein.
00:51:55.000 Lots of bone broth kind of potatoes.
00:51:58.000 Anything that we're doing, whether it's rice or bone broth, we're not doing a lot of it.
00:52:01.000 But when we do it, we're soaking it in bone broth.
00:52:05.000 Keeping it really clean protein style.
00:52:07.000 Kind of going low on fats to kind of let my liver kind of reset from just years of me eating. 0.97
00:52:12.000 Fatty foods and shitty greasies. 0.95
00:52:15.000 You know what I mean? 0.99
00:52:16.000 So just been kind of taking it slow, man.
00:52:18.000 I'm enjoying it, though.
00:52:19.000 The cool thing is he did Bilal Muhammad's weight cut.
00:52:21.000 He's worked with DC. I found him from that world.
00:52:25.000 So he really gets it.
00:52:27.000 That's a complicated science.
00:52:29.000 You get those guys like Bilal's way over 170. I don't know what he weighs, but I've got to guess he's close to 200 pounds.
00:52:35.000 And he cuts down to 170 perfectly.
00:52:37.000 Yeah, Ian does it every time.
00:52:39.000 He said it's pretty effortless, man.
00:52:40.000 Ian says out of everybody that Bilal is just insanely disciplined.
00:52:46.000 You know what I mean?
00:52:47.000 Like when he goes into camp, he's like a different dude.
00:52:50.000 Well, that dude does, he's done camp in Ramadan, and you know, you can't eat or drink anything during the daylight hours of Ramadan.
00:52:58.000 So he would have to get up in the morning while it's dark out, have a morning breakfast, go to training, not eat anything.
00:53:05.000 Do it to a day, probably.
00:53:06.000 And no water.
00:53:07.000 And you're training.
00:53:08.000 And then at the end of the day, then you get to eat.
00:53:11.000 No, he's a machine.
00:53:13.000 That dude is complete.
00:53:14.000 That Leon Edwards fight was crazy.
00:53:15.000 I get to see him tomorrow.
00:53:17.000 He's a great guy, man.
00:53:18.000 He's a great guy.
00:53:18.000 He really is.
00:53:19.000 And, you know, the fact that he's that devout a Muslim that he, you know, prays five times a day. 1.00
00:53:25.000 Like, he doesn't fuck around. 0.99
00:53:26.000 Like, he's really by the book. 0.99
00:53:27.000 He doesn't even swear.
00:53:28.000 No, he says fudge.
00:53:29.000 Yeah.
00:53:29.000 Jelly, jelly, jelly.
00:53:31.000 What the fudge are you doing?
00:53:31.000 Yeah.
00:53:32.000 Crazy.
00:53:33.000 When are you coming to fudge in Chicago? 0.99
00:53:35.000 It's ridiculous. 0.99
00:53:36.000 He's like this assassin. 0.96
00:53:38.000 I'm going to get to see the two champs tomorrow.
00:53:42.000 I'll get to see him and I'll get to see the Venezuelan vixen.
00:53:45.000 They're both coming.
00:53:46.000 So him and Juliana are coming out to the show.
00:53:48.000 Nice.
00:53:48.000 Chicago?
00:53:48.000 Yeah, I'm super excited, man.
00:53:50.000 Nice.
00:53:51.000 Album release night, Chicago.
00:53:52.000 United Center.
00:53:53.000 First time at the United Center.
00:53:54.000 Nice.
00:53:54.000 Big, big deal for me.
00:53:55.000 Chicago's always a great fucking town. 0.99
00:53:58.000 What's the comedy club down there? 1.00
00:54:00.000 Well, they have a few.
00:54:01.000 They have, what do they have, Zanies in Chicago.
00:54:04.000 They have another one in Rosemont.
00:54:06.000 The Dorfman brothers don't have nothing to do with that one, though, do they?
00:54:09.000 I don't know.
00:54:11.000 I don't know.
00:54:12.000 They never know.
00:54:13.000 That doesn't make sense if they don't.
00:54:14.000 We're good to go.
00:54:32.000 And it's like a 50 person, smaller.
00:54:34.000 It would be like the little boy.
00:54:36.000 You know what I'm saying?
00:54:37.000 It would be like the little boy.
00:54:38.000 So he calls it the lab at Zaney's now.
00:54:40.000 Oh, that's nice.
00:54:41.000 Yeah, it's super.
00:54:42.000 It's really, really cool.
00:54:43.000 They used to have a really good room at the improv in Hollywood they called the lab.
00:54:47.000 And that's where Ari started This Is Not Happening, which became that Comedy Central show. 1.00
00:54:53.000 You know the storyteller show?
00:54:54.000 That all started in that lab.
00:54:56.000 That was Ari's little baby that he created.
00:54:58.000 The old way the improv used to be set up was amazing.
00:55:03.000 You have the big room and then you have this tucked away small room in the back with a very small bar.
00:55:09.000 But then they expanded it and made the bar bigger and made the stage by the door. 0.90
00:55:14.000 They fucked the whole thing up. 0.99
00:55:15.000 The whole thing's fucked now. 0.99
00:55:16.000 It used to be the stage was in the back. 0.99
00:55:18.000 There wasn't a lot of noise in the room. 0.87
00:55:21.000 And then they turned it into a bar and fucked it up. 0.75
00:55:23.000 But at that time, that was what it was called. 0.92
00:55:26.000 It was called The Lab.
00:55:27.000 Yeah, no, this place, they call it The Lab.
00:55:28.000 It's beautiful.
00:55:29.000 Speaking of that show, God, I'd love to see that show back.
00:55:32.000 This is not happening?
00:55:33.000 That show was so good.
00:55:35.000 Yeah, you know what happened with that?
00:55:37.000 You know how it all went down?
00:55:38.000 Ari got an offer from Netflix to do a special. 0.54
00:55:43.000 He actually filmed his special, and Comedy Central wanted it because he was on Comedy Central, but Netflix was better for him.
00:55:52.000 And they were pissed that he was going to do the special on Netflix, so they fired him.
00:55:57.000 And he's like stuck to his guns, and then Roy Wood took over, and he did it for a while, and that was the end of it.
00:56:04.000 But that's why.
00:56:05.000 It was because Ari wouldn't listen to that. 0.98
00:56:07.000 They were trying to force him into doing his special on Comedy Central.
00:56:10.000 Wow.
00:56:10.000 Yeah, and he's like, no.
00:56:12.000 Like, I don't have a contract that I have to do it on Comedy Central.
00:56:15.000 This is crazy.
00:56:16.000 And they tried to use the show.
00:56:18.000 They did use the show.
00:56:19.000 They fired him. 0.99
00:56:19.000 How fucking petty is that? 0.99
00:56:20.000 They fired him. 0.99
00:56:23.000 And not to say Roy Woods didn't do great with the show.
00:56:27.000 Roy Woods is great.
00:56:28.000 I mean, Ari was happy that Roy Woods took over.
00:56:30.000 Because, first of all, Roy's hilarious.
00:56:32.000 He's a great comic.
00:56:33.000 But also, that meant all the people that were working on the show got to work.
00:56:37.000 Ari was going to take out a loan, and he was going to pay all the people, all the camera people, all the crew.
00:56:44.000 He was going to pay everybody their salary.
00:56:45.000 Just because he felt bad.
00:56:47.000 He felt bad.
00:56:48.000 And it was like, this is not what I want.
00:56:50.000 This is not my fault.
00:56:51.000 But they're forcing me into it.
00:56:52.000 And by principle, I can't just give in and say, okay, I'm going to do this at Comedy Central.
00:56:57.000 But just for us having fun today purposes, imagine if that show came back right now with Art.
00:57:03.000 It could.
00:57:04.000 It could come back.
00:57:04.000 And the explosion that's happening right now.
00:57:07.000 Well, Ari should do the show on Netflix. 1.00
00:57:09.000 It's his show.
00:57:11.000 Now he calls it Ari Shafir's Renamed Storyteller Show.
00:57:16.000 I think that's what he calls it.
00:57:17.000 He still does it.
00:57:19.000 It's on Netflix now?
00:57:21.000 No, no, no.
00:57:22.000 I said he should do it on Netflix.
00:57:23.000 But he'll still do live ones every now and then.
00:57:26.000 He does live storyteller shows.
00:57:28.000 No, he should do it, man.
00:57:29.000 I think about guys like Brian.
00:57:30.000 I would cry laughing to hear whatever his story was.
00:57:34.000 I think about the Joey Diaz, the Mother Mary story.
00:57:37.000 If I'm going to that, you know, like, there are stories on there that...
00:57:40.000 Yeah, everybody's got good stories, too. 0.85
00:57:42.000 People have stories of some fucking nutty thing that happened on the road or what have you. 0.99
00:57:46.000 No, it's crazy. 0.95
00:57:47.000 I'd love to start seeing people in my genre try stuff like that more.
00:57:51.000 If they ever did it, just try to, like, I'd love to hear, you know, Jason Aldean tell a story.
00:57:56.000 You know what I mean?
00:57:57.000 If he really, if he got with somebody backstage, like one of the homies, you know what I'm saying? 1.00
00:58:02.000 Like if Rosebud was back there with him and was like, all right, tell me your best story and I'll punch it up.
00:58:07.000 You know what I mean?
00:58:07.000 I think Jason Daldeen would at least kill a six-minute story.
00:58:10.000 You know what I'm saying?
00:58:11.000 Everybody's got at least one good story.
00:58:13.000 One that you could concoct.
00:58:15.000 Yeah, one that you could figure out.
00:58:16.000 Yeah, I think that really is probably the oldest form of human entertainment.
00:58:21.000 It's funny how I love when anything you talk about has a theme, and this one has been storytelling.
00:58:28.000 And that's, it's all I ever wanted to do.
00:58:33.000 Before I was writing songs, because I knew that music could be written that way, I would just write these kind of stories for my mother.
00:58:41.000 You know what I mean?
00:58:41.000 I would just try to, you know the story, we've talked about it a lot, but it was a way to connect with her, even before music.
00:58:47.000 And then when I found out music was her shit, I was like, oh, this is the double connection. 0.98
00:58:50.000 Like, oh, this is, I'm doubling down on this. 0.99
00:58:53.000 And I still to this day think I'm writing for my mama.
00:58:56.000 Like, to this day, I'm still like, when I'm really finishing a song, I'm thinking to myself, I wonder what my mama would think about this, you know, in this really weird way.
00:59:05.000 Like, first thought.
00:59:06.000 Like, I wonder if mama would like this, you know, does this represent?
00:59:10.000 And then the second thought is, why does this song exist?
00:59:13.000 That's always my second following thought.
00:59:15.000 First of all, it's like, would my mama dig it?
00:59:17.000 And then the second is, you know what I mean?
00:59:19.000 And the second is like, why does this exist though?
00:59:22.000 You know what I mean?
00:59:22.000 What could it do?
00:59:23.000 What purpose could it actually serve?
00:59:25.000 Right.
00:59:26.000 And if it's, it could be anything as much as it's just, you know, it just makes me happy or it could make people happy or it could make people move is enough of a reason.
00:59:34.000 Out of these 100 plus songs that you've written recently, how many of them you think you'll ever record?
00:59:40.000 I recorded probably 30 something of them.
00:59:43.000 Wow.
00:59:43.000 I'm going to put out probably 28. Wow.
00:59:46.000 And I think four or five will probably end up circulating next year through other artists.
00:59:52.000 That'll just cut some of the songs.
00:59:54.000 Because sometimes I'll write a song show, but I'm just not the vessel.
00:59:57.000 And I know it when I'm writing it.
00:59:59.000 You know what I mean?
01:00:01.000 Do you hear it in a different voice?
01:00:03.000 Sometimes.
01:00:04.000 Sometimes.
01:00:05.000 But sometimes you just know that it's like, I couldn't sing this with a certain amount of conviction.
01:00:09.000 You know, like for me personally.
01:00:11.000 You know, it's not that I couldn't, you know...
01:00:16.000 I don't know if this is a good comparison, but it'd be like, I could write a song about hating my wife, but I could never sing it because I don't really hate my wife.
01:00:25.000 I could never sing it with conviction.
01:00:27.000 Now, as a songwriter, do I have the skill set to write a song about hating my wife?
01:00:32.000 For sure.
01:00:33.000 But would I ever sing one and represent myself that way?
01:00:37.000 I couldn't sing it with conviction.
01:00:38.000 But there might be a guy in Nashville who just got his heart broke.
01:00:41.000 Well, you know Colter Wall's Kate McKinnon. 0.99
01:00:44.000 That's the mother of all I Hate My Wife songs. 1.00
01:00:48.000 Insane.
01:00:49.000 That's a crazy song.
01:00:51.000 When the fact that that dude was 21 when he sang that, you're like, what?
01:00:55.000 It sounds like he's 58. I believe in reincarnation.
01:00:58.000 I'm telling you, man.
01:00:59.000 There's no other way.
01:01:00.000 That doesn't make sense. 0.99
01:01:02.000 And if his story couldn't get any cooler, it's that he just doesn't give a fuck. 1.00
01:01:05.000 Doesn't give a fuck. 0.99
01:01:06.000 Won't do podcasts. 0.99
01:01:07.000 For sure.
01:01:07.000 I tried so hard.
01:01:11.000 He told Post Malone.
01:01:13.000 Post Malone hit him up and Post was like, hey man, I'd love to work.
01:01:16.000 And pretty much he was like, yeah, if you ever want to come to the ranch, we can maybe write a song or something.
01:01:20.000 Post was like, if you want to fly to the middle of Canada, we can write a song. 0.99
01:01:24.000 But if you think I'm getting off this ranch to write with you, fuck no. 0.99
01:01:27.000 Yeah, he really works on a ranch. 0.99
01:01:28.000 Yeah, that's how Cody Johnson is too, though.
01:01:30.000 Cody Johnson flies out on the...
01:01:32.000 I joke with him all the time.
01:01:34.000 I'm like, you're a cowboy that plays a country music singer on the weekends.
01:01:39.000 Because, you know, he plays music for real, but he literally goes home and ranches Monday through Thursday.
01:01:44.000 You'll FaceTime this dude and he'll be out just in his ranch somewhere tagging cattle.
01:01:49.000 That's amazing.
01:01:49.000 You know what I mean?
01:01:50.000 And then Friday night he'll fly and go sell out two nights at the Staples Center.
01:01:54.000 I have not experienced any of that, but I swear to God, it resonates with you when you watch it on Yellowstone.
01:02:01.000 Yeah, right?
01:02:03.000 Like, I want to live like that.
01:02:04.000 So bad.
01:02:05.000 I want to hang out with the horses.
01:02:07.000 Seems like a good time. 0.99
01:02:08.000 Seems like everybody's all peaceful and shit. 0.99
01:02:10.000 We'll stay up and watch the rodeo late at night because PBR plays on TV or whatever. 0.99
01:02:15.000 Dude, I'll watch that stuff.
01:02:16.000 I don't know much about it, but I just can't quit watching. 0.99
01:02:19.000 I think it's the wildest shit ever. 0.94
01:02:20.000 Yeah, I'll watch it for bursts, but then my knowledge of orthopedic surgeries that these people are going to be receiving and injuries and concussions, they're just like, I got to stop watching this. 0.99
01:02:30.000 I love watching stuff that doesn't seem real, though, right?
01:02:33.000 Have you seen the J.B. Mooney?
01:02:35.000 Is that how you say his name?
01:02:36.000 Is it Mooney?
01:02:37.000 Mooney, right?
01:02:38.000 I think it's Mooney.
01:02:39.000 Is it Mooney or Mooney?
01:02:40.000 You got me thinking now.
01:02:41.000 Yeah, me too.
01:02:41.000 But that dude, he owns the cow that retired him.
01:02:44.000 It's crazy.
01:02:45.000 How cool is that?
01:02:46.000 Yeah, pretty cool.
01:02:47.000 Yeah, but we're talking about a dude that, you know, with no helmet, cigarette lit in his mouth.
01:02:52.000 Animal.
01:02:53.000 Like, oh, just when you look at...
01:02:55.000 Animal. 0.99
01:02:56.000 Those dudes riding bulls with no helmet on is the craziest fucking American thing that anyone's ever done. 1.00
01:03:03.000 That is so dumb and so amazing at the same time. 1.00
01:03:06.000 Like, what the fuck are you doing? 1.00
01:03:07.000 It is so American, dude. 1.00
01:03:09.000 Especially when he had the cigarette.
01:03:11.000 It almost looked like it was out of a movie.
01:03:13.000 Like somebody overcooked it.
01:03:14.000 And at the end, those guys are always broken.
01:03:17.000 Everything's broken.
01:03:18.000 We had a dude on Fear Factor that was a bull rider, and one of his arms, his shoulder had like just giant scars all over the place.
01:03:25.000 He had like five or six shoulder reconstructions.
01:03:28.000 It pops out sometimes.
01:03:30.000 He has to pop it back in.
01:03:31.000 That is...
01:03:32.000 Jeez!
01:03:33.000 Sick.
01:03:34.000 It's crazy.
01:03:35.000 All from riding a...
01:03:36.000 A giant 2,000-pound animal that doesn't want you riding.
01:03:39.000 With horns.
01:03:40.000 Yeah.
01:03:41.000 And when it gets you off of it, it wants to hurt you afterwards.
01:03:43.000 It wants to stomp you. 0.99
01:03:44.000 It's pissed off.
01:03:45.000 Yeah, man. 1.00
01:03:46.000 Fuck all that noise. 1.00
01:03:48.000 I can't quit watching them, though. 1.00
01:03:49.000 I don't know why.
01:03:50.000 I'm just so attracted.
01:03:50.000 I've always been attracted.
01:03:51.000 I loved songs about rodeos, though, is what did it.
01:03:54.000 We talked about it before, too.
01:03:55.000 There was 90s music, had all these old-school, really cool rodeo records.
01:03:59.000 Mm-hmm.
01:04:00.000 And I feel like somewhere, it's kind of like everything goes in themes, and then country music went through, like, you know, the hunting and fishing era.
01:04:07.000 But in the 70s, it was more of the storytelling era, like the poncho and lefty style stuff, you know what I mean?
01:04:13.000 But to me, the 90s cowboy music was, like, still some of the best country music ever made.
01:04:19.000 Bro, you know who's got the best rodeo song for my money?
01:04:21.000 Zac Brown.
01:04:22.000 Mm-hmm.
01:04:22.000 Open the Gate.
01:04:23.000 Oh, it's the...
01:04:23.000 It's one of the best rodeo songs ever written.
01:04:25.000 Oh my God.
01:04:27.000 100%.
01:04:27.000 Oh my God.
01:04:28.000 Meanwhile, I'm listening to them going, get off that bull!
01:04:31.000 Don't go ride that bull!
01:04:32.000 Don't do it! 0.98
01:04:34.000 Your dad's dead! 1.00
01:04:36.000 Don't ride the same goddamn bull that killed your dad! 1.00
01:04:39.000 Jesus Christ! 1.00
01:04:40.000 You want to hear a cool rodeo story?
01:04:41.000 Reba McIntyre got discovered at one.
01:04:44.000 At a rodeo?
01:04:44.000 You want to talk about a real cowgirl?
01:04:46.000 Reba McIntyre was like Oklahoma or somewhere, and she would sing the national anthem at all the local rodeos because they knew she was a local singer, but she was a real cowboy.
01:04:55.000 So one night she was singing.
01:04:57.000 This is back in the day when it was old school, like a record exec discovered you.
01:05:01.000 Wow.
01:05:01.000 You know what I mean?
01:05:02.000 And flew you to Nashville and signed you to a record deal.
01:05:05.000 That's a true story, though.
01:05:06.000 Reba did it because she loved it. 0.69
01:05:08.000 Like if you were singing in church, every weekend they'd have the rodeo in town and she'd go sing the national anthem for them. 0.77
01:05:13.000 Wow.
01:05:14.000 How many people are like that out there?
01:05:16.000 When you think about yourself becoming artist of the year at 39, how many people are like that out there that are just super talented, that just never get that crack?
01:05:25.000 It's, man.
01:05:26.000 There's a thing that's inside some people.
01:05:27.000 There's a thing that's inside some people.
01:05:30.000 And it's different in everybody.
01:05:32.000 Like, your different is different than Coulter Wall's different.
01:05:34.000 It's different than Reeb is different.
01:05:35.000 Different than Johnny Cash is different.
01:05:37.000 Everybody's got that thing.
01:05:38.000 Everybody's got a thing.
01:05:39.000 But there's so many people out there that we never get to see that thing.
01:05:42.000 I wonder how much of it is the ones that just jump ship early, too, though.
01:05:46.000 They quit.
01:05:47.000 A lot of people quit.
01:05:48.000 It's hard.
01:05:49.000 I think about doing something for 10 years to no avail is really, really hard, man.
01:05:55.000 This is what I tell people.
01:05:56.000 I was a desperate, delusional dreamer, Joe.
01:05:59.000 And everything I regret, I did out of desperation.
01:06:01.000 But I don't regret one thing I did as a delusional dreamer.
01:06:05.000 You know what I mean?
01:06:06.000 Because there was moments...
01:06:07.000 I went to the Juvenile yesterday in... 0.74
01:06:15.000 Columbus, Ohio I went to go play cards with the kids in their units before my show I try to do stuff like that all the time and we were all talking about You know time energy stuff into this and songs and I talked about writing 170 songs last year And I was like do y'all know that there was so many moments in my life where I in hindsight I'm glad nobody sat me down really that I had to have looked fucking crazy You know,
01:06:41.000 that kid asked me, he said, when did you feel like you made it?
01:06:44.000 I was like, I think that's why God kept blessing me is that me and DJ Highlight, that's my DJ's from Columbus, Ohio, he was there with me.
01:06:49.000 We did the one o'clock slot at Rock on the Range 12 years ago, right?
01:06:54.000 The festival, you know Rock on the Range, Jamie.
01:06:56.000 This is a big deal of where Jamie's from.
01:06:59.000 We played the fifth stage of five stages.
01:07:02.000 So we played the smallest stage there, 30 minutes after they opened the gates.
01:07:06.000 Joe, we started drinking at 10 o'clock that morning because we were rock stars in our minds.
01:07:10.000 We had made it.
01:07:11.000 We were that delusional.
01:07:13.000 We were backstage full-blown shooting shots and celebrating.
01:07:17.000 There was 40 people there.
01:07:19.000 There was thousands of people just walking right past our stage to the stage they were going to.
01:07:23.000 We didn't care.
01:07:24.000 We had made it.
01:07:25.000 You know what I mean?
01:07:26.000 Like, we'd made it.
01:07:26.000 You're telling me we got $1,500 to do this?
01:07:29.000 This is insane.
01:07:31.000 We have arrived.
01:07:32.000 And I'd go home. 0.99
01:07:33.000 My old beat-up band in my whole neighborhood probably had to look at me like I was fucking nuts. 0.99
01:07:37.000 You know what I'm saying? 0.98
01:07:38.000 But nobody said that to me.
01:07:39.000 I had to look like the crazy person kind of, right?
01:07:40.000 At this point, I'm in my early 30s, mid-30s even, and they're like...
01:07:44.000 All right, big guy.
01:07:45.000 But you're at Rock on the Range.
01:07:47.000 Yeah.
01:07:47.000 That's how I felt.
01:07:48.000 You actually are performing there.
01:07:49.000 That's how I felt.
01:07:49.000 I think you're correct.
01:07:50.000 Yeah, I felt that way.
01:07:51.000 I think you should be celebrating.
01:07:52.000 Yeah.
01:07:53.000 You're supposed to be.
01:07:54.000 Yeah.
01:07:54.000 And when I told that kid that it was cool to see his face kind of light up, he was like, man, that's perspective.
01:07:59.000 You know what I mean?
01:07:59.000 I was like, dude, I was...
01:08:02.000 I would celebrate whenever I would get a clap in here when I was in Juvenile, when we would have Freestyle Fridays in Juvenile.
01:08:09.000 And if I spit one line that got a ooh, man, I went to my cell, did push-ups, and started looking in the mirror different.
01:08:16.000 You know what I'm saying? 0.94
01:08:17.000 I was like, it's fucking fixing to happen. 0.98
01:08:19.000 You know what I'm saying? 0.96
01:08:21.000 That kind of delusion will just celebrate every moment I had, I made a moment.
01:08:26.000 What is this?
01:08:28.000 This is the day.
01:08:29.000 Look at you up there.
01:08:31.000 Yeah, this is us.
01:08:32.000 This is a true story.
01:08:36.000 Rock on the Range.
01:08:37.000 This is Rock on the Range, dude.
01:08:38.000 This is 2017, probably.
01:08:40.000 Wow.
01:08:44.000 This was our second time.
01:08:45.000 I think we made it to the second stage by then.
01:08:47.000 Yeah, this is 16. It's weird doing shows when it's bright out.
01:08:54.000 I'm just getting used to doing shows when it's dark.
01:08:58.000 Shows when it's bright out are kind of crazy.
01:09:01.000 Dude, it is unforgiving.
01:09:04.000 Especially when you're working.
01:09:06.000 You're trying to build something.
01:09:08.000 There's a lot of people that are coming to give you a chance.
01:09:11.000 But they don't know anything about you.
01:09:13.000 Well, the thing is, if you could figure it out, right?
01:09:16.000 People figure out everything.
01:09:18.000 They figure out how to write books.
01:09:19.000 They figure out how to play baseball.
01:09:21.000 People figure it out, but not everybody figures it out.
01:09:24.000 That's why it's so exciting when you do.
01:09:26.000 That's why it's so exciting when you make it, because you know it's not just that a bunch of lucky things had to happen to you, because they all do with all of us.
01:09:34.000 There's a lot of good circumstances to happen your way just to keep you alive, right?
01:09:38.000 You have to get lucky.
01:09:40.000 But then you also have to have that thing.
01:09:42.000 Like, what is that thing inside you that you gotta get out?
01:09:45.000 And you can figure out a way to get the best version of it and display it for people.
01:09:49.000 Or you quit.
01:09:51.000 A lot of people quit.
01:09:52.000 Man.
01:09:53.000 I tell you, there's a line in a song, Joe, that...
01:09:56.000 It's an old song.
01:09:58.000 It's called Just Breathe.
01:09:59.000 And she goes, at the end of the song, she ends the song by going, 2 a.m.
01:10:02.000 and I'm still awake writing this song.
01:10:04.000 Because if I get it all out on paper, it's no longer inside of me.
01:10:08.000 Threatening the life it belongs to.
01:10:12.000 I almost get emotional when I tell people that.
01:10:14.000 Because to me, that is the greatest line ever written as to how I feel.
01:10:19.000 You know what I mean?
01:10:21.000 This idea that I have to get this out of me.
01:10:25.000 When I write, it's not like...
01:10:29.000 I have to.
01:10:30.000 It's like a thing in me that's burning in me.
01:10:33.000 It's like I have to get this out of me.
01:10:35.000 Brother, I wake up out.
01:10:36.000 I wrote, somebody saved me on a sheet of paper out of a dead sleep.
01:10:40.000 Really?
01:10:41.000 Notebook, side of the bed.
01:10:42.000 Somebody?
01:10:43.000 Just like I wrote notes here with you when you'd say something that would inspire me.
01:10:46.000 One of these is a song title right here, right now.
01:10:48.000 You said it earlier.
01:10:49.000 I'll tell you off camera.
01:10:51.000 Okay.
01:10:51.000 Just in case you've got to negotiate a publishing thing.
01:10:56.000 Bert, I wrote a song on the album.
01:10:57.000 It didn't make the album, but Bert one night said something.
01:10:59.000 He was like, yeah, man, this is where dreams go to die.
01:11:02.000 And he was talking about a bar he used to go to where everybody would talk about what they would do but never did, so he quit talking about what he was going to do.
01:11:08.000 But what he don't know is I just quietly grabbed my phone and wrote, dreams die here.
01:11:12.000 You know what I'm saying?
01:11:13.000 I went and wrote the song. 0.99
01:11:13.000 It sucked. 0.99
01:11:14.000 I'm going to send it to him, but I tried. 0.98
01:11:17.000 You know what I'm saying?
01:11:17.000 You never know.
01:11:18.000 Maybe revisit it in a year or two.
01:11:19.000 Yeah.
01:11:20.000 But I connect with that in a way that's...
01:11:23.000 Writing is...
01:11:25.000 It's an outlet for me.
01:11:26.000 It always was.
01:11:27.000 It was always a way to express and to tell stories around me.
01:11:31.000 It's also a connection to some strange realm where ideas come from.
01:11:36.000 The ideas that come to you, they just come to you out of nowhere.
01:11:39.000 They just feel like gifts.
01:11:41.000 They really do.
01:11:42.000 Like when you sit in front of the computer and an idea just comes to you and you start writing it down or when you wake up in the middle of the night, take a leak and you can't get this idea out of your head and you gotta grab a notebook.
01:11:50.000 Man, those things are gifts.
01:11:52.000 They're gifts from the universe.
01:11:54.000 You've had that happen, too, where you find yourself at the kitchen table at 3 a.m.?
01:11:57.000 The worst one is I try to convince myself that I'll remember it.
01:12:01.000 And you'll go back to sleep and you'll blow it.
01:12:03.000 Yeah, because I'm lazy.
01:12:04.000 I'm like, you're going to remember.
01:12:05.000 Don't worry about it.
01:12:06.000 You'll definitely remember that.
01:12:07.000 You don't remember it?
01:12:10.000 I remember, like, one of them ever.
01:12:13.000 But I write them down now.
01:12:14.000 I do, too.
01:12:14.000 I got a small legal pad beside my bed, like the little one, and I got one.
01:12:18.000 This is a crazy place.
01:12:19.000 But I have one on top of my commode.
01:12:22.000 That's a good place for it.
01:12:23.000 So in case I'm going in there to pee or something and on the way there just...
01:12:26.000 Yeah.
01:12:27.000 Sometimes, too, I'll have to grab my phone and do melodies in the middle of the night, because I have dreamed of melodies before.
01:12:32.000 Like, you hear it.
01:12:33.000 Like, stone-cold melodies in my dreams.
01:12:35.000 Like, the Somebody Save Me melody was in my dream.
01:12:38.000 The first words...
01:12:40.000 The problem was, me and D-Ray joke about it.
01:12:42.000 It took us two hours to write the song that would have took us 20 minutes to write, because I was convinced, Somebody Save Me was supposed to be the chorus.
01:12:51.000 Oh.
01:12:53.000 Interesting.
01:12:54.000 I know I'm weird when I talk about stuff like this, Joe, but this is how the universe works.
01:12:58.000 I don't think I was wrong.
01:13:00.000 Because when Eminem ended up taking that song, you know Eminem redid that song?
01:13:04.000 Oh.
01:13:05.000 Yeah, you got to hear it.
01:13:05.000 It's crazy.
01:13:06.000 Eminem redid the song.
01:13:07.000 And he took the verse from Somebody Save Me, the first verse, and made it the chorus.
01:13:12.000 Whoa.
01:13:13.000 So his version of it is he's rapping, and then my first verse is the chorus.
01:13:17.000 And then he raps again, and my first verse is the chorus again.
01:13:20.000 Wow.
01:13:20.000 So maybe I was kind of right.
01:13:23.000 Wow.
01:13:23.000 Wow.
01:13:23.000 And the groom, I kept going back to like, you should start this way.
01:13:26.000 Did you ever tell him that before you did that?
01:13:28.000 Never even told him the story.
01:13:30.000 Wow. 0.99
01:13:30.000 Joe, I'm fucking flipping. 0.99
01:13:31.000 It gets even deeper, dog. 0.99
01:13:33.000 John Manili, my manager, calls me and goes, he says, Paul Rosenberg just called me.
01:13:36.000 That's Em's manager.
01:13:37.000 He says, I think Eminem wants to do something to save me.
01:13:40.000 I didn't...
01:13:41.000 I asked John Manili, right then, Joe, I said, man, I hope he takes the first verse and samples it.
01:13:46.000 That's all I said.
01:13:48.000 And John said, whatever.
01:13:49.000 I don't know what he wants to do with it.
01:13:50.000 We just sent it over.
01:13:51.000 Because, you know, M&M's the greatest ever.
01:13:52.000 You don't send them instructions or notes or ideas.
01:13:54.000 You know what I'm saying?
01:13:55.000 You're just like, yo.
01:13:57.000 And we didn't talk about that until we met.
01:14:00.000 And he was just as whipped out, too.
01:14:01.000 Because the funny part about him was...
01:14:04.000 He was struggling with whether or not he was going to keep the original chorus and do somebody save me at the end or do somebody save me as the chorus and put the original chorus at the end.
01:14:11.000 And he ended up doing somebody save me in the original chorus at the end.
01:14:14.000 So he fought the battle the opposite of the way I fought it.
01:14:18.000 It's crazy, right, how art works that way?
01:14:20.000 It is crazy.
01:14:21.000 It's crazy where those things come from, the muse, you know?
01:14:25.000 And you gotta respect the muse, you know?
01:14:28.000 And, like, I think when you're writing a lot like you are, like, that muse is, like, ready to go.
01:14:33.000 Like, you're tuned into whatever that is that gives you those ideas for songs.
01:14:37.000 You're just, like, searching for it.
01:14:39.000 You're in the mode of searching for it.
01:14:40.000 Yeah.
01:14:41.000 No, I'm always...
01:14:43.000 Yeah, you're right.
01:14:44.000 I'm in that space.
01:14:45.000 I'm in my stride.
01:14:46.000 I'm in my quest.
01:14:47.000 I'm looking for it at every angle right now.
01:14:50.000 I'm like...
01:14:51.000 I wrote a song.
01:14:52.000 I wrote so many...
01:14:53.000 Talking about storytelling again.
01:14:54.000 Sorry, I keep going here. 0.99
01:14:55.000 It's my fucking storytelling podcast. 0.98
01:14:57.000 I probably have four songs on this podcast that I wrote. 0.99
01:15:00.000 Just very old school storytelling.
01:15:03.000 Like the music I grew up loving.
01:15:04.000 Like how Willie Nelson would tell these stories of these characters.
01:15:08.000 Yeah.
01:15:09.000 And it has been so—talking about muses—I wasn't sure if I was going to tell this story, but I will.
01:15:20.000 As a part of my journey of my mental health and with things I struggle with, I will pop into when I'm home, NA or AA meetings, even though I still drink and smoke pot.
01:15:31.000 I don't claim to be a part of the program because I have so much respect for those who are sober, like can really live the clean, sober life by the program.
01:15:38.000 But it's helped me so much not to go back to some of my demons.
01:15:40.000 It's taught me about gratitude lists.
01:15:42.000 It's just helped me a lot.
01:15:43.000 And I go to, you know, a few a year, never say nothing, just sitting back quietly.
01:15:48.000 I'm just in there trying to learn, you know.
01:15:50.000 Never went in there thinking like an artist.
01:15:52.000 Just kind of going there thinking like an addict. 0.53
01:15:55.000 So I just want to be an addict in here.
01:15:56.000 That's why I don't talk.
01:15:58.000 And I watched a man having a breakdown in there.
01:16:02.000 And this happens.
01:16:03.000 You know what I mean?
01:16:04.000 People are coming in here.
01:16:05.000 You know what I mean?
01:16:05.000 It's an AA meeting, right?
01:16:07.000 And he's shaking.
01:16:08.000 And at the end they go, does anybody want to get a 24-hour chip or a desire to change?
01:16:12.000 And the guy said, I drank this morning, but I do have a desire.
01:16:15.000 And he was already shaking where he hadn't drank in five, six hours.
01:16:18.000 And The guy goes...
01:16:21.000 Old head walks over. 1.00
01:16:23.000 Most gangster shit I've ever seen. 1.00
01:16:25.000 Puts his arm around him and says, I'm sorry, baby. 0.99
01:16:27.000 None of us came in here on winning streak.
01:16:30.000 Dude, I was like...
01:16:31.000 I had no intention of going to this meeting.
01:16:33.000 The only reason I even went, believe it or not, wasn't because I was having a craving, even.
01:16:37.000 I had an hour to kill on the way to a writing session. 1.00
01:16:41.000 And I was like, well, fuck it. 1.00
01:16:42.000 I could either spend this hour scrolling on fucking TikTok and thinking about how fucking Ukraine's going to kill us, or... 1.00
01:16:50.000 You know what I mean? 1.00
01:16:50.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:16:51.000 And I went into the meeting and I left and I walked in the writer's room and they was like, you know, it's fun when we write together because everybody's got an idea.
01:16:58.000 I said, boys, I don't know if this is the idea, but I want to tell you what just happened to me.
01:17:02.000 I just seen one of the most beautiful acts of humanity I've ever seen.
01:17:08.000 Because this guy's shaking, he's crying.
01:17:12.000 And this dude's walking.
01:17:13.000 I'm getting emotional because I'm watching it.
01:17:15.000 The whole room's getting emotional.
01:17:16.000 This dude just super cool.
01:17:17.000 Just kind of walks over.
01:17:18.000 Almost like, I've seen this before.
01:17:21.000 He was the only one.
01:17:23.000 All of us were sad.
01:17:23.000 This dude was happy.
01:17:24.000 He walked over with a smile like he'd seen it.
01:17:26.000 He was like, oh, don't worry, baby.
01:17:27.000 Nobody comes in here on a winning streak.
01:17:30.000 So I went back to the meeting a week later.
01:17:32.000 We started the song.
01:17:34.000 The guy ended up being like 25, 30 years clean.
01:17:37.000 They came in to help the other guy.
01:17:38.000 So we wrote the song.
01:17:40.000 It's called Winning Streak.
01:17:41.000 I sung it on Saturday Night Live.
01:17:43.000 Wow.
01:17:44.000 It was cool.
01:17:45.000 It's not even out yet.
01:17:45.000 It'll be out on the album today.
01:17:46.000 Imagine if you didn't walk into that place?
01:17:48.000 Imagine if you didn't walk into that place, right?
01:17:50.000 Yeah.
01:17:51.000 Just old church basement.
01:17:52.000 How much time have you lost on your phone where you could have been walking into a place talking to people?
01:17:56.000 And getting a winning streak.
01:17:58.000 Yeah.
01:17:58.000 You know what I mean?
01:17:58.000 It's like just, you know...
01:18:00.000 Especially as an artist that deals in, you know, to say it again, stories.
01:18:04.000 And just, you know, you find things out about people when you see them interact with each other.
01:18:10.000 And sometimes it just lights a spark.
01:18:12.000 Yeah.
01:18:13.000 It's just, man, you, um, yeah, anytime I see anything that makes me feel something, I feel the need to try to write it.
01:18:22.000 Whether it makes me happy or sad or...
01:18:24.000 You know what I mean?
01:18:25.000 If you really think about old-school rock and roll, think about classic rock, there's great songs, but then there's these story songs.
01:18:34.000 You know?
01:18:36.000 Like Shooting Star, that Bad Company song.
01:18:39.000 You know, Johnny was a schoolboy when he heard his first Beatles song.
01:18:42.000 That's one of those songs that, like, everybody listens to the words.
01:18:46.000 You know, you just get caught up in the story.
01:18:50.000 There's a difference between that and, you know...
01:18:53.000 Just fun songs.
01:18:55.000 There's fun songs, back in black, you know?
01:18:57.000 Fun.
01:18:58.000 It's not like a story, like an emotional story that gets you.
01:19:03.000 There's some of those songs, you know?
01:19:05.000 American Pie.
01:19:06.000 American Pie.
01:19:07.000 Oh my god.
01:19:09.000 Oh my god.
01:19:10.000 I listen to it once a week in the cold plunge, because the original version's like seven minutes.
01:19:14.000 So if I start it while I'm getting into my skibbies, song's over, I get out of the cold plunge.
01:19:21.000 Yeah.
01:19:22.000 How about James Taylor, I've Seen Fire and I've Seen Rain?
01:19:29.000 The greatest song ever written, Joe.
01:19:32.000 The greatest song ever written.
01:19:34.000 Don't listen to that song when you're sad.
01:19:36.000 I'll cry if I'm happy, Bubba.
01:19:38.000 That song will get you.
01:19:39.000 Every time.
01:19:40.000 That song will get you.
01:19:41.000 And that's a story too. 1.00
01:19:42.000 And that motherfucker had a voice. 1.00
01:19:44.000 Man, he had a voice. 1.00
01:19:45.000 What a special voice.
01:19:46.000 And it was so effortless, Joe.
01:19:48.000 Yeah.
01:19:50.000 When he opened his mouth, it was almost like he was just talking to you like me and you, but he would sing like an angel.
01:19:55.000 And you know, he was self-taught guitar, so he plays like shapes and chords that don't really technically exist.
01:20:01.000 Really?
01:20:02.000 Yeah.
01:20:03.000 He literally, because he self-taught himself, they'd be like, well, that's kind of a It looks like a G, but you're doing this, not that.
01:20:10.000 It's like, it was crazy.
01:20:11.000 He's authentic.
01:20:13.000 My father, who I named Buddies after in my bar, we were driving down to Gulf Shores, Alabama one time.
01:20:23.000 I was a kid, and we started listening to Fire and Rain.
01:20:30.000 My family would tell these stories.
01:20:32.000 About music.
01:20:33.000 I don't know what it was, but before they would play a song, it was like they would take, and I'm like this to this day, I would take great pride in being like, oh, I'm fixing to show you something.
01:20:43.000 So I'd give you the setup, you know?
01:20:45.000 So my dad goes, I'm not going to set this song up.
01:20:48.000 I'm going to tell you about it afterwards.
01:20:49.000 We're going to listen to it again.
01:20:51.000 There it goes.
01:20:52.000 Give me it from the beginning, Jamie. 1.00
01:20:56.000 This motherfucker. 1.00
01:20:59.000 So... 1.00
01:21:01.000 Look at them all, just long hair.
01:21:03.000 That was before you went bald. 1.00
01:21:04.000 When you went bald, you said, fuck it. 1.00
01:21:06.000 Yeah, that was Hey Mr. Jukebox, James. 1.00
01:21:15.000 Bro, that guy could not have a fly swatter big enough to swat those panties that were flying to him. 1.00
01:21:22.000 What?!
01:21:22.000 He could not!
01:21:24.000 Just whack! 1.00
01:21:25.000 At every corner, dude!
01:21:27.000 Oh my god.
01:21:28.000 And listen.
01:21:28.000 Voice like an angel.
01:21:29.000 All sensitive.
01:21:30.000 And hot take, he was married to a woman that is arguably a better songwriter than him.
01:21:35.000 Carly Simon.
01:21:37.000 Carly Simon was so beautiful.
01:21:40.000 God, when she was young, she was one of the most beautiful women that's ever lived. 0.92
01:21:47.000 I love that none of that mattered to him, though.
01:21:49.000 Watch this.
01:21:54.000 So my dad tells me this story, Joe.
01:21:57.000 And we are riding down I-65.
01:21:59.000 I've only seen my father cry three times.
01:22:02.000 Give me some words, Jamie.
01:22:03.000 Yeah.
01:22:04.000 And we are going down I-65.
01:22:07.000 And we are squalling.
01:22:10.000 I mean, like two children, Joe.
01:22:13.000 My body's aching and my time is...
01:22:19.000 Just authentic, you know what I mean? 0.96
01:22:21.000 There's no bullshit in this song. 0.94
01:22:24.000 The third verse when he goes, yeah, you gotta let this rip then. 0.95
01:22:30.000 It's a core memory I'll have forever though.
01:22:32.000 I've seen sunny days that I thought would never end.
01:22:38.000 I've seen lonely times when I could not find a friend.
01:22:45.000 But I always thought that I'd see you.
01:22:49.000 When I watch this.
01:22:50.000 To me, this is some of the best, the whole song, but right here.
01:22:55.000 I've been walking my mind to an easy time With my back turned towards the sun So simple for real.
01:23:03.000 Lord knows when the cold wind blows It'll turn your head around There's hours of time on the telephone line To talk about things to come Sweet dreams and flying machines in pieces on the ground.
01:23:21.000 Oh, now I've seen fire and I've seen rain.
01:23:27.000 I've seen sunny days that I thought would never end.
01:23:31.000 Now watch him take it up right here.
01:23:34.000 I've seen lonely times when I could not find a friend.
01:24:07.000 Ooh.
01:24:38.000 Do they ever have a relationship?
01:24:41.000 Hopefully Right?
01:24:43.000 She's talking about another great songwriter.
01:24:46.000 God, dude.
01:24:47.000 Here we go.
01:24:50.000 While she's playing the piano, son.
01:24:56.000 With her hair blowing.
01:24:58.000 So 80s!
01:24:58.000 In the wind.
01:25:00.000 Yes.
01:25:02.000 Oh.
01:25:13.000 This pre-chorus is crazy.
01:25:22.000 I bet you think this song is about you But hold on, hold on.
01:25:35.000 Because if the song was about him, he's right.
01:25:37.000 Yeah, right?
01:25:37.000 For sure.
01:25:38.000 You know Warren Beatty was listening to that song going, I think this song is about me.
01:25:43.000 Yeah, I knew I was him.
01:25:49.000 And that's live back when they were like, you know, that was live, live.
01:25:52.000 That might be one of the first diss songs.
01:25:54.000 Right?
01:25:54.000 Right?
01:25:55.000 I think that's the first diss track.
01:25:57.000 Hold on, hold on.
01:25:58.000 When was this song put out?
01:25:58.000 Is it officially about Warren Beatty?
01:26:00.000 I thought rumors that it was about James Taylor, too.
01:26:03.000 Oh, really?
01:26:04.000 I thought it's unconfirmed who it's written about.
01:26:06.000 James Taylor?
01:26:07.000 You know what, man?
01:26:09.000 It wouldn't shock you, right? 1.00
01:26:11.000 If you found out that the guy was like the sweetheart, super nice guy was actually a fucking psycho. 1.00
01:26:16.000 Dude. 0.99
01:26:16.000 I've had, talking about James Taylor, I've had fans come up to me and they would be crying. 0.99
01:26:20.000 And they go, I'm so sorry I'm crying.
01:26:21.000 And every time I tell them the same thing, I say, don't worry.
01:26:24.000 If I ever meet James Taylor, I'm going to cry.
01:26:26.000 For sure.
01:26:26.000 I know it.
01:26:27.000 So I'm like 100% I'm going to cry.
01:26:29.000 Ever since the singer released her accusatory track in 1972, The Identity of You has remained one of the greatest mysteries in music history.
01:26:36.000 But she did date Warren Beatty, right?
01:26:39.000 It came out in 72?
01:26:42.000 When did Sweet Home Alabama come out? 0.99
01:26:45.000 Look at all the possibilities.
01:26:46.000 Warren Beatty.
01:26:47.000 Michael Crichton.
01:26:48.000 Michael Crichton.
01:26:50.000 Jack Nicholson.
01:26:51.000 Cat Stevens.
01:26:52.000 James Taylor.
01:26:53.000 Or John Travolta.
01:26:54.000 Even rumored flings with Sean Connery.
01:26:56.000 Marvin Gaye.
01:26:57.000 Marvin Gaye.
01:26:57.000 Mick Jagger.
01:26:59.000 Possibility of Mick Jagger.
01:27:00.000 I bet Marvin Gaye did something different with that.
01:27:02.000 That lady got around. 1.00
01:27:04.000 She got around with all the talented motherfuckers. 1.00
01:27:08.000 She got around. 1.00
01:27:09.000 I bet Marvin Gaye was a monster. 0.84
01:27:11.000 Oh my god. 1.00
01:27:12.000 I'm just fucking... 0.99
01:27:13.000 When did Sweet Home Alabama come out? 0.99
01:27:15.000 So you know Sweet Home Alabama was a clapback track.
01:27:17.000 Yeah.
01:27:18.000 It was in the diss world, too.
01:27:20.000 So I think it was right around that early 70s era, too.
01:27:23.000 I don't know.
01:27:25.000 So it was after that.
01:27:26.000 Your Sylvain came out before it.
01:27:28.000 Yeah.
01:27:28.000 But when did Southern Maine come out?
01:27:32.000 Probably the same time, right?
01:27:33.000 It was just a year before.
01:27:34.000 So that was...
01:27:35.000 1970?
01:27:35.000 Yeah.
01:27:36.000 Oh, no.
01:27:36.000 So it was a few years before.
01:27:37.000 Okay.
01:27:38.000 So they wrote it about Southern Man?
01:27:41.000 Is that what they wrote it about?
01:27:42.000 Yeah. 0.86
01:27:43.000 The idea was, and Neil Young was speaking a lot about what was happening down there in the South at the time, and Ronnie's position was just simply like, hey man, We stay the fuck out of your business. 0.63
01:27:53.000 Stay out of ours. 0.95
01:27:54.000 Yeah.
01:27:54.000 You know, a southern man don't need them around anyhow.
01:27:57.000 Yeah.
01:27:57.000 You know, it's kind of how he came back.
01:27:59.000 What a banger of a song.
01:28:01.000 What a banger.
01:28:01.000 What a diss.
01:28:02.000 What a banger.
01:28:03.000 You're talking about...
01:28:03.000 I mean, that is a...
01:28:04.000 Sweet home Alabama.
01:28:06.000 Give me some of that.
01:28:07.000 Yeah, please. 0.99
01:28:08.000 God damn, that's a good song. 0.99
01:28:10.000 I mean, all respect to Neil Young. 0.99
01:28:12.000 That's better than anything he's ever done in his life.
01:28:13.000 No, no.
01:28:13.000 Neil Young apologized later.
01:28:14.000 It was really cool.
01:28:15.000 He owned it.
01:28:15.000 He publicly said Ronnie was right.
01:28:18.000 Well, you know...
01:28:21.000 Neil Young is name checked and dissed.
01:28:24.000 Yeah, I don't think they thought about it that way back then.
01:28:27.000 It reached number eight in the Billboard Hot One.
01:28:28.000 Give me some Sweet Home Alabama. 1.00
01:28:30.000 That's a song that you hear in the bar in the first couple of chords play, and you go, oh, yeah.
01:28:35.000 You just immediately stand up.
01:28:36.000 You're like, oh, we're finna party.
01:28:37.000 Oh, baby.
01:28:38.000 And I hate to be this guy, but I immediately look around, and I'm like, everybody in here who doesn't know this song...
01:28:44.000 I don't know that we can be friends.
01:28:46.000 If you can't at least sing the chorus, or if you don't go...
01:28:49.000 This might be one of the most recognizable songs ever.
01:28:57.000 Is it going to be a live video too?
01:28:59.000 You just have to go for the live one, especially this one.
01:29:01.000 I love it. 1.00
01:29:07.000 Once again, look at these bad motherfuckers. 1.00
01:29:15.000 Oh, they were so funny. 1.00
01:29:16.000 You want to talk about people that couldn't get the pussy away from them. 1.00
01:29:19.000 And they're from Florida. 1.00
01:29:20.000 Yeah.
01:29:29.000 That's 77, so that's Ronnie.
01:29:32.000 Oh, no, that's Johnny.
01:29:44.000 Once again, how great Gary Rossington was.
01:29:47.000 To me, he's the greatest guitarist that ever lived.
01:29:50.000 Up there with Hendrix and him.
01:29:52.000 He's on Mount Rushmore guitarist.
01:29:53.000 Because I can't name another guitarist, Clapton, of course, that has more riffs that you want to go, you want to hum.
01:30:02.000 Right.
01:30:03.000 Right?
01:30:04.000 Because like...
01:30:05.000 Yo, the Freebird solo.
01:30:09.000 Yeah.
01:30:14.000 You know what I'm saying?
01:30:18.000 Give Me Three Steps.
01:30:23.000 There has not been that since, if you ask me.
01:30:27.000 You know what I mean?
01:30:28.000 Helm, Clapton, Hendrix, they had those kind of guitars.
01:30:32.000 But this was different because it was riffs.
01:30:34.000 It wasn't like a solo.
01:30:35.000 They were singing over these riffs.
01:30:37.000 And the riffs were bigger than the melody sometimes.
01:30:40.000 They captured you.
01:30:42.000 If you tell somebody right now, like, have you ever heard the song Sweet Home Alabama?
01:30:44.000 And they go, how's it go?
01:30:45.000 You wouldn't go sweet, you'd go... 0.87
01:30:47.000 Yeah.
01:30:50.000 It's crazy.
01:30:51.000 That's how good Gary was, man.
01:30:53.000 That solo in Freebird is insane.
01:30:56.000 Oh, it's the best solo ever.
01:30:59.000 Ever.
01:30:59.000 It's hard to say because of Hendrix and Steve Ray Vaughn and a bunch of other people, Eddie Van Halen, but that solo was the same every time they did it.
01:31:07.000 Oh, the story about Sweet Home Alabama.
01:31:11.000 They're sitting at a sound check and it's just Ronnie and Gary.
01:31:15.000 And Gary's holding electric.
01:31:16.000 And he goes, man, I got this.
01:31:17.000 I just don't know what to do with it.
01:31:18.000 It's...
01:31:18.000 And Ronnie goes, well, hell, just keep playing it.
01:31:24.000 Let me fuck with it. 1.00
01:31:25.000 So they just looped that. 0.99
01:31:27.000 And that's how they wrote the song.
01:31:29.000 Yeah, dude.
01:31:30.000 I'm such a...
01:31:31.000 I have like...
01:31:32.000 Skinner to me is like, Jesus.
01:31:34.000 You know what I'm saying?
01:31:35.000 I'm a giant Skinner fan.
01:31:36.000 And you know what I love about Skinner too?
01:31:38.000 They came out of Florida.
01:31:39.000 Who would have saw that?
01:31:40.000 No, dude, Jacksonville.
01:31:41.000 Who would have saw that?
01:31:42.000 Straight out of Jacksonville, Florida.
01:31:43.000 Jacksonville?
01:31:43.000 What?
01:31:43.000 Jacksonville's not going to make any amazing bands?
01:31:45.000 Dude.
01:31:46.000 How's this band come out of Jacksonville?
01:31:47.000 Period.
01:31:47.000 And every song is about running away from girls.
01:31:50.000 I gotta go, ladies.
01:31:51.000 Yeah.
01:31:51.000 I gotta be free.
01:31:52.000 It's all the time.
01:31:53.000 Give me two steps.
01:31:53.000 I love you, but I gotta go.
01:31:55.000 It's crazy.
01:31:56.000 You know what I'm saying?
01:31:56.000 I gotta go.
01:31:57.000 I gotta go.
01:31:58.000 No, dude, they were the best, man.
01:32:00.000 When Gary's family gave me that guitar after he passed away, it still is up there with my top probably ten possessions that I've ever been gifted.
01:32:09.000 You know what I mean?
01:32:10.000 I have it in my studio now, and I hung it in a case with the note that his family wrote me with the picture that we took the night he played the guitar.
01:32:18.000 And I put a lock on the case.
01:32:20.000 Instead of just casing it forever, I put a lock on it so I can still play it.
01:32:23.000 So when we do the album, there's a couple of tracks that we played a Gary Rossington guitar on.
01:32:28.000 Oh, wow.
01:32:29.000 You know what I mean?
01:32:30.000 Because it was a Gary Rossington-played guitar.
01:32:32.000 Wow.
01:32:32.000 And his family, the estate gave it to me right after he passed.
01:32:35.000 Does it sound different?
01:32:36.000 Well, it's an old Les Paul, and it's older, so it's got a different pickup on it.
01:32:41.000 So it's got some different tunes and textures to it.
01:32:43.000 What's the difference between the older pickups and the newer ones?
01:32:45.000 I don't know.
01:32:46.000 I'm not as educated in it as most real guitarists.
01:32:48.000 I'm a campfire guitarist.
01:32:50.000 But over the years, they always found different ways to make them as they were improving them, but the sounds and textures were getting different.
01:32:58.000 But I forgot exactly what he does, because he takes a pickup from another guitar and puts it in, too, I think, in most of his guitars.
01:33:04.000 There's a lot of real guitarists that'll want to play this guitar, but they'll want to put this from this guitar on this guitar. 0.99
01:33:10.000 Because that's their shit. 0.97
01:33:11.000 Yeah, because they like the way, well, I like the pickup on this, or I like this and this, or I like the way this, you know, whatever. 1.00
01:33:16.000 Makes sense.
01:33:17.000 And then they'll have a kind of hodgepodge like that.
01:33:20.000 But, you know, something else, when Gary survived that plane crash, let's think about him playing guitar.
01:33:25.000 He had a rod that went from right here, Joe, to his elbow.
01:33:31.000 Oh, my God.
01:33:32.000 And still played the guitar that way.
01:33:34.000 So if you ever watched Gary play the guitar, he always kind of played it high like Charlie Crockett.
01:33:39.000 Or down here like this because he couldn't get full extension on the wrist.
01:33:44.000 Yeah.
01:33:45.000 So he was playing all those from 70, whatever the 70s.
01:33:48.000 When was the plane crash?
01:33:50.000 Jamie, you know?
01:33:52.000 I figured you might know off the top.
01:33:53.000 How many people died in the crash?
01:33:55.000 I know Ronnie did for sure.
01:33:57.000 I think it was two or three.
01:33:58.000 Wasn't Ronnie standing up?
01:34:00.000 It was in 77. So...
01:34:03.000 So that video you just showed might have been one of Ronnie's last performances.
01:34:06.000 He was standing up when the plane crashed, right?
01:34:08.000 He went and sat down, he was drinking.
01:34:09.000 Yeah, they were just partying.
01:34:10.000 They were just Leonard Skinner, dude.
01:34:12.000 You know what I'm saying?
01:34:13.000 If he sat down and put his seatbelt on, he might still be here.
01:34:16.000 It's crazy, dude.
01:34:17.000 It is crazy, man. 1.00
01:34:20.000 Goddamn. 0.99
01:34:21.000 You said it was 77? 0.98
01:34:22.000 Three days after their fifth album was released.
01:34:25.000 Yeah.
01:34:25.000 Street Survivors.
01:34:27.000 Wow.
01:34:28.000 Just totally different, man.
01:34:30.000 I've gotten so far into there.
01:34:32.000 We've been covering Skynyrd on the road for years and years anyway.
01:34:36.000 That's probably not a Skynyrd song I can't play.
01:34:39.000 If we were to go to a bar tonight, you could probably just randomly pick a Skynyrd song, and I'd go up there and be able to just kill.
01:34:45.000 Just love Skynyrd, dude.
01:34:46.000 You know what I mean?
01:34:48.000 They were awesome, man.
01:34:49.000 They were gone too quick.
01:34:51.000 And I know they toured after Ronnie died, but it wasn't the same.
01:34:55.000 Yeah.
01:34:55.000 You know, they still tour, and one thing I don't, as a diehard fan, I don't object to it a lot.
01:35:00.000 Now that Gary's gone, it's a little rougher, because he was the last living one.
01:35:04.000 But Johnny Van Zandt, which, how are him and Ronnie Ken?
01:35:08.000 I always confuse it.
01:35:09.000 They're cousins, right?
01:35:10.000 Or are they brothers?
01:35:10.000 Because remember, the three Van Zandts, do I want to talk about a family, Joe?
01:35:14.000 Johnny, Ronnie Van Zandt created Leonard Skinner, was the first lead singer.
01:35:18.000 Johnny Van Zandt took his plot when he died, and the other Van Zandt brothers, the lead singer of 38 Special.
01:35:23.000 Crazy.
01:35:25.000 Yeah, it's the younger brother. 0.87
01:35:26.000 So his younger brother took right over.
01:35:29.000 And like I tell people, the average Lynyrd Skynyrd fan that's not like me and you, obsessed with him to a degree, they don't know anybody other than him to be their singer.
01:35:40.000 Because he's been their singer four years longer than Ronnie was.
01:35:44.000 That band has only been out for four years when Ronnie died.
01:35:48.000 Right.
01:35:49.000 You know what I mean?
01:35:50.000 So it's like an ACDC type thing.
01:35:51.000 Exactly.
01:35:52.000 You know what I mean?
01:35:53.000 And the fact that it's a true Van Zandt.
01:35:55.000 And Johnny's still the lead man to this day.
01:35:57.000 So when I go see him, I still feel like I'm watching Ronnie a little bit.
01:36:01.000 Looks just like him.
01:36:01.000 Still got the same long, hairy Johnny Van Zandt, dude.
01:36:04.000 You know what I mean? 1.00
01:36:05.000 Ronnie was a fucking psycho, though. 1.00
01:36:07.000 No, that's the difference. 1.00
01:36:09.000 Johnny's like a really, really calm, cool man.
01:36:11.000 He's also older now.
01:36:13.000 You know, these dudes are all Ricky Medlock and them.
01:36:15.000 He was with the original group, too, pretty much.
01:36:18.000 He's still there.
01:36:19.000 Them dudes are all in their 70s.
01:36:20.000 Yeah, and that's nuts, too, because when we were kids, we never thought the rock stars would be touring in their 70s.
01:36:24.000 They're going to come out for my Jacksonville show.
01:36:26.000 They came and sung with me last time.
01:36:27.000 That's amazing.
01:36:28.000 Johnny and Ricky always come out and sing, man.
01:36:30.000 They're fun.
01:36:30.000 That's awesome.
01:36:31.000 Yeah, dude.
01:36:32.000 It never gets any different.
01:36:33.000 Dude, look at you.
01:36:33.000 You're living the life.
01:36:34.000 It's fucking weird, dude. 0.99
01:36:35.000 You're living the life. 1.00
01:36:36.000 It's the shit we grew up listening to. 1.00
01:36:38.000 I'm saying it's like... 1.00
01:36:39.000 I don't know, man.
01:36:40.000 It's weird when you meet people that were real famous when you were a kid.
01:36:43.000 That, to me, is always going to be the weirdest one.
01:36:45.000 It's the one.
01:36:46.000 Steven Tyler.
01:36:47.000 Yeah.
01:36:47.000 Meeting that dude.
01:36:48.000 Meeting people like that.
01:36:49.000 It's just like...
01:36:50.000 You just feel weirded out.
01:36:52.000 I met Tarantino.
01:36:53.000 I was like...
01:36:53.000 Oh, dude.
01:36:54.000 This is weird.
01:36:55.000 Yeah.
01:36:55.000 This is weird.
01:36:56.000 Especially people you watched back in your childhood.
01:36:59.000 Yeah. 0.77
01:37:00.000 Out of all the comedians I met, the only one I've probably ever made an ass of myself to is Ron White.
01:37:05.000 Because I literally have watched him since I was a teenager.
01:37:08.000 Because he was such a voice for...
01:37:12.000 I don't want this to come off disrespectful, but being from the South in my household, we thought Jeff Foxworthy was incredibly funny.
01:37:20.000 We liked his books more than his comedy, though, because we felt like his comedy almost felt a little forced to us as Southern people.
01:37:25.000 It just didn't sit right in my household.
01:37:28.000 In what way?
01:37:30.000 In this way of like...
01:37:31.000 You might be a redneck. 0.79
01:37:33.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:37:34.000 You know what I mean?
01:37:35.000 If your family tree does not fork...
01:37:38.000 It was hilarious.
01:37:39.000 No, all the books, we religiously.
01:37:41.000 But when we're watching a blue-collar special as a family, and I know this wasn't the way to watch it in hindsight, we're all waiting on her.
01:37:48.000 You know what I mean?
01:37:48.000 There's nothing wrong with that.
01:37:50.000 He's the voice of our household, but I'm also in a household full of drunks, by the way. 0.92
01:37:53.000 My father's a raging alcoholic. 0.60
01:37:55.000 My mother does drugs. 1.00
01:37:56.000 All my brothers do drugs.
01:37:58.000 But it was like, you know, we love Jeff.
01:38:00.000 We love Bill, Larry the Cable guy.
01:38:03.000 But man, Ron was our...
01:38:06.000 You know, he just spoke to...
01:38:09.000 We're good to go.
01:38:30.000 Then he started hanging out with us at the store.
01:38:32.000 And he was like, man, this is what I've been missing.
01:38:34.000 You know, I've been missing, like, a real camaraderie, like the base, the home base, where everybody goes and just hangs out.
01:38:42.000 Makes all the difference in the world.
01:38:45.000 It is.
01:38:45.000 No.
01:38:46.000 Well, iron sharpens iron, too.
01:38:48.000 Yeah. 0.96
01:38:49.000 When you're in Nashville, too, I mean, think about how many different amazing artists there are that you go see live in Nashville just fucking around on a regular night. 0.97
01:38:57.000 For sure. 0.57
01:38:58.000 Dierks Bentley goes and plays this, like, with his bluegrass band, like a 200-person bar every week.
01:39:05.000 That's amazing.
01:39:06.000 You know, like his little subversion of a bluegrass band.
01:39:10.000 That's how I feel about our songwriting community, too.
01:39:13.000 I've rode in LA and I've had big songs come out of LA, but Nashville is just, man, it's the killers.
01:39:19.000 You know what I mean?
01:39:20.000 It's the dudes that are just, the dudes and girls down there that are in those rooms every day are snipers. 0.97
01:39:25.000 They've been doing it forever.
01:39:26.000 It's the same thing like you do in all those shows.
01:39:28.000 It's the same thing like them, right? 1.00
01:39:29.000 You just get real good at your fucking job. 1.00
01:39:32.000 For sure. 1.00
01:39:32.000 And you get to know how to pivot. 1.00
01:39:34.000 You know what I mean?
01:39:35.000 That's something else that comes with being on that stage a bunch.
01:39:38.000 The more you do it, the more circumstances you've been up against, nothing starts to scare you no more.
01:39:44.000 Even if I walk out to a crowd, like if I'm opening for somebody still and I walk out and I'm like, I'm going to have to really work for this one, I'm not panicked.
01:39:52.000 I've done it enough now.
01:39:53.000 I'll even watch some guys in my band get a little panicked.
01:39:55.000 We'll be on the second song and you'll see them going like, why are they not just so excited we're here?
01:39:58.000 I'm like, just relax.
01:39:59.000 It's okay.
01:40:00.000 We're gonna get there.
01:40:01.000 You know what I'm saying?
01:40:02.000 Let's just have fun.
01:40:03.000 The hardest spot is opening on a comedy show.
01:40:07.000 It's brutal.
01:40:07.000 I tell every committee that opens for me, this is like running what waits on.
01:40:10.000 Yeah.
01:40:10.000 Talking about like the one of three, not the feature slot, the number one.
01:40:13.000 First guy.
01:40:14.000 First guy on stage.
01:40:14.000 That's the hardest gig.
01:40:15.000 And it's the gig for the guys that are the youngest, that are the learners.
01:40:19.000 They're learning it.
01:40:20.000 They don't really know how to do it yet.
01:40:22.000 And you're kind of responsible for getting the first laugh of the night.
01:40:25.000 You are 100% responsible for it.
01:40:27.000 Man, you gotta break the room.
01:40:29.000 Yeah, that's why Hans Kim was like our best opener.
01:40:32.000 Because Hans Kim has structure.
01:40:33.000 All his jokes have structure. 1.00
01:40:35.000 So he puts you in this mode of laughing at ridiculous shit. 0.99
01:40:39.000 And he puts you in this like, it's like a very structured set. 0.99
01:40:42.000 So he gets people into like the hypnosis of comedy.
01:40:46.000 You get locked into laughing.
01:40:48.000 And then boom, next comedian goes up and the bar is already set.
01:40:52.000 You're already loose and everybody's running.
01:40:53.000 But that first spot, man, you gotta like...
01:40:55.000 Yeah, same with us.
01:40:57.000 If you're one of three, Alexander Kaye's doing it on this tour and she's killing it.
01:41:01.000 But it is a rough one because, one, you've got your fans that knew you were one of three and they showed up early.
01:41:07.000 So that's the only thing you have to advantage.
01:41:09.000 The rest of it is people literally walking in with popcorn and beer in their hand wondering why the show's already started.
01:41:15.000 You know what I mean?
01:41:16.000 Right, exactly.
01:41:18.000 You know, I tell people all the time, you're not going to be a good performer until you've performed in a place where people looked at you like you were interrupting them.
01:41:25.000 Right.
01:41:26.000 You know what I mean?
01:41:26.000 You ever been in a place where you're like, hey, I'm sorry I'm bothering y'all by playing loud music up here?
01:41:30.000 You fucking knew you were coming to a bar, bitch. 1.00
01:41:32.000 You know what I'm saying? 1.00
01:41:33.000 It's just, you know...
01:41:34.000 But those are the funnest, too, though.
01:41:36.000 I got to open up for Morgan Wallen this year a few times, and it was really fun because in the last few years we've just been headlining.
01:41:42.000 We haven't got to really, you know, go out and do something that was so much dramatically bigger than us that it made sense for us to do it.
01:41:48.000 And I love Morgan, so I was like, I'm in.
01:41:50.000 And we went out there, and it was cool because you feel it immediately.
01:41:54.000 You're like, even with the hits I have, you know, there's 70,000 people here that bought a ticket to see Morgan Wallen for they knew my name was on the bill.
01:42:02.000 Right.
01:42:02.000 You know, so there's a lot of people here that are with me, but I'm still having to tell you, I'm still up here like, oh, okay, tonight.
01:42:08.000 You know, I see there's three scenarios in my business, and I don't know if this is probably different for y'all's, but in mine, my three scenarios are this.
01:42:16.000 One is the you're welcome, we're here.
01:42:18.000 Right?
01:42:18.000 Which is the simple, like, thank y'all.
01:42:21.000 We thank each other.
01:42:22.000 You came to see me.
01:42:23.000 I'm going to give you a great show.
01:42:24.000 Thank you.
01:42:24.000 It's the easy one, right?
01:42:26.000 The other one is the, thank you for listening.
01:42:29.000 I appreciate that you gave me enough respect that you sat here and listened to me.
01:42:33.000 And the third one is the one that makes men. 0.99
01:42:36.000 It's the, hey, motherfucker, I'm singing. 0.99
01:42:38.000 And you have to go through a couple hundred of those before you get good. 1.00
01:42:44.000 Mm-hmm. 0.99
01:43:03.000 These kids go straight into 2,000 seat rooms and then stand up there like, I've never done a fucking show. 0.99
01:43:08.000 I've never stood in front of anybody. 0.99
01:43:10.000 Oh my God.
01:43:10.000 Imagine getting a big TikTok hit, Joe.
01:43:12.000 Never doing a show in your life.
01:43:14.000 You know what I mean?
01:43:16.000 Or imagine it's even worse.
01:43:17.000 They put you on an opening tour for somebody.
01:43:19.000 They're like, we got an amphitheater act that'll let you be two of four.
01:43:22.000 This'll be great.
01:43:23.000 And you're going out there looking at 6,000 people?
01:43:25.000 Oh my God.
01:43:25.000 You've never stood up in a bar?
01:43:27.000 I'm watching it happen to people all the time.
01:43:28.000 I'm having to grab these kids and kind of mentor them now.
01:43:30.000 And it's the flip side of it where, like, booking agents are dragging them to the slaughter.
01:43:35.000 Of course.
01:43:35.000 They just want to make money.
01:43:37.000 They don't give a fuck. 1.00
01:43:37.000 And here's the problem. 1.00
01:43:39.000 Imagine your kid, you're 20 years old, 22 years old, you've got a big successful record, and you're going to meet booking agents.
01:43:45.000 You're excited.
01:43:46.000 I've been there.
01:43:47.000 You know?
01:43:48.000 And the first one's like, we're going to put you right in 2,000 seat rooms, you're going to get $22,000 a night.
01:43:53.000 You're like, woo!
01:43:54.000 What?!
01:43:55.000 A night!
01:43:55.000 And we're going to do it three nights every weekend.
01:43:57.000 Oh my God, I'm rich.
01:43:59.000 I'm buying a Corvette. 0.99
01:43:59.000 That's fucking it! 0.99
01:44:00.000 Immediately. 0.99
01:44:01.000 And then you go to the next booking agent and they're like, now hear me out.
01:44:03.000 My plan is for you to go play these 200 cap rooms like the high-fine Indianapolis, the end in Nashville.
01:44:10.000 We're going to go do that for six months.
01:44:12.000 We're going to get like 40 shows under your belt.
01:44:14.000 You'll get like $1,300 a night, $1,200 a night. 1.00
01:44:18.000 And they're like, fuck you. 1.00
01:44:20.000 The other guy just said I'm getting $25,000 a night immediately. 1.00
01:44:23.000 Right?
01:44:23.000 But this guy actually knows what he's doing.
01:44:26.000 You know what I mean?
01:44:26.000 This guy actually is doing it right, but they go back to the money.
01:44:31.000 And then they end up having to circle back and they've got to re-figure it out anyway.
01:44:33.000 I tell people all the time, you might be able to skip the line a little bit, but you can't cheat the game.
01:44:38.000 You know what I mean?
01:44:39.000 You had to put them hours in one way or the other bubble.
01:44:41.000 It's the same thing with fighters.
01:44:42.000 You know, I see fighters that come out and they compete in the UFC and like their first fight they look fantastic and they're fast-tracked.
01:44:50.000 And sometimes guys get broken because they meet top flight competition before they're really ready.
01:44:56.000 They're really like an up-and-coming fighter honing their skills and they run into a wily veteran who's like a top 15 guy and they get fucked up and they're kind of never the same.
01:45:05.000 Yeah. 0.57
01:45:06.000 Because they really shouldn't have been fighting that guy.
01:45:08.000 Whereas boxing is a lot more clever.
01:45:10.000 If they have a guy who's like a Terence Crawford or someone who's a really good fighter, they'll match him up correctly until they can make the big money and until their skills are at a very, very high level.
01:45:20.000 And then they start challenging for a world title.
01:45:21.000 But they prepare him.
01:45:23.000 They get him.
01:45:23.000 They put him...
01:45:24.000 The thing about the UFC is sometimes you just get thrown right to the wolves.
01:45:28.000 And if you're Jon Jones, that's fine.
01:45:30.000 Jon Jones wins the title at 22. But most guys are not Jon Jones.
01:45:36.000 Most guys could be an elite fighter, but the circumstances just derail them before they ever get there.
01:45:45.000 It burned them too early, man.
01:45:46.000 Yeah, they burned them too early.
01:45:47.000 You know, and it's like the perfect example of this in the UFC to me is one guy could be Sugar Sean, who went on to be that guy, right, immediately.
01:45:57.000 I know he just had his loss, but I mean, he still looks like Sugar to me.
01:45:59.000 You know, that kid's tough.
01:46:01.000 And the other one could be that kid that we all love, but I always confuse it.
01:46:05.000 Was it Hooper or Hopper?
01:46:07.000 The 19-year-old kid, he had a Sugar Sean kind of thing going.
01:46:10.000 He was a Contender Series guy too.
01:46:12.000 Chase Hooper.
01:46:12.000 Hooper, that was him.
01:46:14.000 And to me that's kind of the tale of the same kid, you know what I mean?
01:46:17.000 Where it's like, for Sugar, it kind of worked.
01:46:19.000 But this is what I tell my people all the time.
01:46:21.000 Chase still has a shot.
01:46:22.000 He's still super talented.
01:46:23.000 He just had to really get better at striking.
01:46:25.000 Yeah, he's just young and has to circle back around.
01:46:27.000 But he got a lot better.
01:46:27.000 He got a lot better at everything.
01:46:28.000 He's really good on the ground.
01:46:30.000 No, the kid's great.
01:46:31.000 He also went up to 55, which I think was big because he was killing himself.
01:46:36.000 Good.
01:46:37.000 Yeah, no, you could tell it was a big weight cut, especially for such a kid.
01:46:39.000 His frames, they're kids.
01:46:42.000 I think we still haven't seen what Sean's real man body is going to look like yet completely.
01:46:47.000 Well, Sean's 30. Is he 30 now?
01:46:49.000 Okay, so we see him.
01:46:49.000 But they say it's 25 or 26 now before you actually see a full development.
01:46:53.000 Well, you definitely see some of these guys that are coming in that are 22 that are still growing.
01:46:57.000 They're still getting bigger.
01:46:58.000 Like Raul Rosas Jr., he's 19 years old.
01:47:00.000 And that kid's still growing.
01:47:01.000 Every time you see him, he looks more muscular, more jacked.
01:47:04.000 He's still in his prime.
01:47:05.000 I mean, not even close to his prime.
01:47:07.000 He's still growing up.
01:47:09.000 There's still a...
01:47:10.000 Yeah, there's a growing thing that's...
01:47:17.000 Yeah, I guess it's different too, man.
01:47:19.000 I'm thinking about that kid like Chase is that getting put into that national spotlight at the biggest fighting organization in the world at 19. You know what I mean?
01:47:27.000 And you're like, Tavondre Sweat is the defensive end for the Tennessee Titans.
01:47:32.000 I'm a huge Titans fan.
01:47:33.000 He was our first round pick this year, defensive end.
01:47:37.000 I went to go hang out with him because I just think he's great.
01:47:40.000 I think he's going to be a superstar.
01:47:41.000 He's 22 years old.
01:47:42.000 He's probably 6'5", 300-something pounds.
01:47:44.000 Jeez.
01:47:46.000 And he can't grow a full beard yet.
01:47:48.000 You know what I mean?
01:47:49.000 You know what I'm saying?
01:47:52.000 It's patchy.
01:47:53.000 You know how it is when you're in your early 20s?
01:47:54.000 It's still patchy.
01:47:55.000 And I'm looking at Jeffrey Simmons, who's our veteran defensive end, who's 6'6", just cut like a... 0.97
01:48:05.000 Oh, that's where you're going to be at in four years, three years.
01:48:09.000 You know what I mean?
01:48:10.000 Because we picked up Jeffrey Simmons as a rookie, too.
01:48:11.000 It's like, even at 22 years old, they haven't fully developed in yet.
01:48:16.000 I'm looking at Devandre Sweat right now, and I'm like...
01:48:19.000 You still got a baby face.
01:48:20.000 You know what I mean?
01:48:21.000 Look at baby face sweat.
01:48:23.000 You know what I mean?
01:48:24.000 You see this face of him right here?
01:48:26.000 That's all you need to know about his personality.
01:48:29.000 That's who he is as a human.
01:48:30.000 He's the sweetest dude ever.
01:48:32.000 But you can still tell by the look of his face.
01:48:34.000 You know what I mean?
01:48:34.000 That face is going to slim down and get a little more, you know.
01:48:37.000 That's the craziest job.
01:48:39.000 Being a pro football player is the craziest job.
01:48:41.000 Because you're literally in a car wreck every day.
01:48:44.000 Especially guys for their position, they're in a car wreck every play.
01:48:48.000 I think about this, offensive lineman, defensive lineman, guaranteed full contact every snap.
01:48:54.000 100% every time we snap the ball, because the wide receivers, they're going to hand fight.
01:48:59.000 Backfield, there's going to be some action, but not full contact every play.
01:49:04.000 Every single play, as soon as they say, huh? 0.99
01:49:07.000 These two linemen are fucking collision-coursing. 1.00
01:49:10.000 Jesus. 1.00
01:49:13.000 And they're both hitting each other with the intention to try to knock the other one down first, right?
01:49:16.000 The goal is, like, if I can hit you and knock you down and go right past you, after that, I've just got to fight my way around.
01:49:20.000 And they're all 300-plus pounds of solid muscle.
01:49:23.000 Huge.
01:49:23.000 Full-blown athletes their whole life have been playing since they were eight.
01:49:27.000 Colliding with each other.
01:49:28.000 Yeah.
01:49:30.000 And that's the American sport.
01:49:31.000 It's a totally, I mean, in full speed.
01:49:34.000 Isn't it kind of crazy that that is the American sport?
01:49:36.000 I mean, what other countries even play it other than Canada?
01:49:39.000 Who else plays football?
01:49:40.000 Like, American-style football?
01:49:41.000 They don't even play it overseas.
01:49:44.000 They don't even touch it.
01:49:45.000 That was when Nate Bargassi hosted Saturday Night Live, not this time, but last year, he did that skit joke about it coming from the UK, and he was like, and we will have a sport named football.
01:49:55.000 And they were like, oh, where you'll kick a ball?
01:49:58.000 They'll go, no.
01:49:59.000 And they'll go, so you never kick the ball?
01:50:00.000 They go, sometimes.
01:50:06.000 It's so funny about trying to explain football to somebody not from here.
01:50:11.000 It's bizarre that we didn't call it a different thing.
01:50:13.000 They were calling it football and it was soccer.
01:50:15.000 And we just said, no, we're going to change the name of that.
01:50:17.000 We're going to call it soccer.
01:50:18.000 And this is football now.
01:50:19.000 What are you talking about?
01:50:21.000 It's the American way, dude.
01:50:22.000 It's like, hey, we don't care how y'all do temperature everywhere else.
01:50:26.000 Yeah, exactly. 1.00
01:50:27.000 Fuck you. 1.00
01:50:28.000 We go with degrees. 1.00
01:50:29.000 Fahrenheit, bitch. 1.00
01:50:30.000 Yeah, fuck you. 1.00
01:50:30.000 We're going to create one. 1.00
01:50:31.000 Fuck your metric system. 1.00
01:50:33.000 Metric system is so much more efficient, we're like, nah, I don't like it. 1.00
01:50:37.000 You'll love that Nate skit there, because that's what he does.
01:50:39.000 He just kind of goes through trashing all these ideas.
01:50:43.000 The best part is Kenan looks at him at the new skit and goes, what about my people?
01:50:48.000 Will the slaves be freed after the war?
01:50:49.000 He said, they will be freed after a war.
01:50:52.000 But not this one. 0.99
01:50:54.000 Just fucking, I don't know. 0.99
01:50:56.000 It was a good skit, man. 0.99
01:50:56.000 It was really funny outside. 0.99
01:50:58.000 He's a funny dude.
01:50:59.000 Another Nashville guy.
01:51:00.000 Love him, man.
01:51:01.000 Big, big...
01:51:02.000 Have you seen Theo, speaking of Nashville guys, have you seen Theo do his impression to you? 0.99
01:51:07.000 Oh yeah, it's the fucking best. 0.89
01:51:08.000 It's my favorite thing ever. 0.96
01:51:12.000 We'll let every acceptance be.
01:51:14.000 See if you can find it, Jerry.
01:51:15.000 I want to thank the concrete layers.
01:51:23.000 He did it with him and Joey Diaz.
01:51:25.000 Every time he wins an award, he gets up there and he's like, I just want to thank!
01:51:30.000 Right now there's somebody stuck under a bridge.
01:51:34.000 There's somebody out there who's got a size 11 foot in a size 8 tennis shoe.
01:51:40.000 I was a maitre d at a macaroni grill.
01:51:44.000 And now I'm a gravel.
01:51:47.000 I'm not gonna tell you to keep it.
01:51:54.000 It's a simulation, Joe.
01:51:55.000 Yeah, I think it might be.
01:51:57.000 I just couldn't believe that I'd be in a place where Theo Vaughn would, one, be my buddy.
01:52:02.000 He came to my L.A. show.
01:52:03.000 It just made me so happy.
01:52:04.000 I'd almost cry when I see him.
01:52:06.000 I was so excited. 1.00
01:52:07.000 But then to have him, you know, just fuck, dude. 1.00
01:52:08.000 I've said this a lot. 1.00
01:52:12.000 There's a dream for an artist.
01:52:15.000 There's nothing more pop culture than being brought up in a comedy special. 0.99
01:52:20.000 Like, if you was an artist back in the old days, and you got brought up on an HBO special, you were on fucking fire. 0.98
01:52:26.000 You could not be bigger. 0.98
01:52:28.000 You know what I'm saying?
01:52:29.000 So it's like, I have those, that to me is like those unreal moments when you watch a guy like Theo with his platform impersonating me to a T, and we're friends too, and it's just like...
01:52:40.000 I would have never even...
01:52:41.000 I never thought I'd win an award to give a speech.
01:52:43.000 Or more or less that the speech would be so viral that a comedian would have an impression of it.
01:52:48.000 You know what I mean?
01:52:49.000 I don't know.
01:52:50.000 It's the greatest...
01:52:51.000 That's the greatest compliment you can be paid in pop culture is if a comedian will burn on you a little bit.
01:52:55.000 That's hilarious.
01:52:57.000 That one was perfect. 0.99
01:52:58.000 I'm still like, that's my, like, the first time I get dropped in a special, I'm going to lose my shit. 0.98
01:53:03.000 It's going to remind me of little me watching HBO specials. 0.98
01:53:07.000 You know what I mean?
01:53:08.000 Well, if someone's listening to this right now, some comic's probably going to write a bit and put you in there.
01:53:11.000 Don't be mean.
01:53:12.000 No, just be funny.
01:53:13.000 Just for fun.
01:53:14.000 Yeah.
01:53:15.000 Maybe it's Theo.
01:53:16.000 Yeah, right.
01:53:16.000 Maybe Theo will do that in a special.
01:53:19.000 Theo's such a...
01:53:20.000 I'm...
01:53:21.000 We're trying to steal him from Nashville.
01:53:23.000 God, I know.
01:53:24.000 We're trying to steal him.
01:53:24.000 Well, listen, for what it's worth, I think the wife and I are on the way, too.
01:53:29.000 Really?
01:53:29.000 Yeah.
01:53:30.000 Beautiful.
01:53:30.000 You know, my wife was born in Houston.
01:53:32.000 Oh, okay.
01:53:33.000 She's always had Texas in her heart.
01:53:35.000 I went out on the river up here, and it's just...
01:53:37.000 Come on.
01:53:38.000 I'm coming, my brother.
01:53:40.000 I'm telling you, man.
01:53:40.000 I love it, dude.
01:53:41.000 I just love the city.
01:53:42.000 I love the space.
01:53:44.000 Before I got here last night, just the few people that knew I was coming, I'd already got texts from my friends down here, from Kerry to Bruce to people that, you know, just...
01:53:53.000 Even my wife was like, you love it there.
01:53:56.000 I was like, she loves Texas anyway, so she's all in.
01:53:58.000 We're talking about it.
01:53:59.000 That's beautiful.
01:54:00.000 We'll always be back and forth because Nashville's always Nashville to me.
01:54:04.000 Are you friends with Gary Clark?
01:54:05.000 Yes.
01:54:06.000 I love Gary Clark, by the way.
01:54:08.000 Gary Clark's a wizard.
01:54:09.000 He's a wizard.
01:54:10.000 That's something else.
01:54:11.000 I was talking to his manager's name, Scooter.
01:54:12.000 Have you ever met Scooter?
01:54:13.000 Yeah.
01:54:13.000 Scooter's the best.
01:54:15.000 And I was like, I think if I came down there, we would get, you know, if I brought the culture, the way I approach songwriting in Nashville here, I think we could have a little paradigm shift down here, too.
01:54:25.000 Why not?
01:54:26.000 You know what I mean?
01:54:27.000 Let's go!
01:54:28.000 You feel me, my buddy?
01:54:30.000 Let's go!
01:54:30.000 Come on, man!
01:54:31.000 Show broken!
01:54:31.000 A musical mothership.
01:54:33.000 Let's go.
01:54:34.000 I've told you this before, drunk, and I meant it then and I mean it now.
01:54:38.000 I'm going to come to you one day, and it's not going to surprise you, I hope, and I'm going to, with a concept about doing the mother, you're just giving me the right to call it the music mothership in Nashville.
01:54:47.000 I'll give you the right right now.
01:54:48.000 All right, cool.
01:54:48.000 Go for it.
01:54:49.000 I got a plan, man.
01:54:49.000 Because what y'all do for comedy...
01:54:51.000 We have singers...
01:54:52.000 Have you ever been to a writer's round?
01:54:53.000 No.
01:54:54.000 Joe, when you come to Nashville, please, please come a little early and let me take you to a writer's round.
01:54:57.000 Okay.
01:54:58.000 You will have a ball.
01:54:59.000 So what happens is the songwriters who are writing all these big hit records in town...
01:55:04.000 They go to these bars and they do writer's rounds.
01:55:07.000 They'll set up three or four bar stools.
01:55:09.000 And every songwriter will have a guitar and they'll sing a song they wrote and tell you the story about the song.
01:55:14.000 And it's the coolest thing ever because it's a dude, not being funny, but a dude that looks like me if I wasn't.
01:55:22.000 Me or a dude that looks like young Jamie.
01:55:23.000 And then he sings Live Like I'm Dying by Tim McGraw.
01:55:28.000 And he tells the most heartfelt story about where he was at in his life when he wrote the song and how he came up with the concept for it.
01:55:35.000 And it's this beautiful thing.
01:55:37.000 And there's only one place in town that's really famous for it.
01:55:40.000 It's called the Bluebird Cafe.
01:55:41.000 They happen everywhere.
01:55:43.000 And the first time I left the mothership, I was like, I'm doing this for music.
01:55:47.000 I'm going to create this same culture for our songwriters.
01:55:49.000 Because what happens is, if you can create a place where people feel safe, they show up. 0.98
01:55:54.000 So what happens is, because I don't go to the Bluebird Cafe a lot because it's a pain in the ass to get in and out of.
01:56:00.000 So if one of my friends calls, like, hey, I'm at the Bluebird, it's a legendary spot and I love it. 0.57
01:56:05.000 They're like, when you come sing something with me, it's like, you know what I mean?
01:56:10.000 There's no structure.
01:56:12.000 You built your club for comedy. 0.95
01:56:14.000 You knew that if the comedians were happy, they would show the fuck up.
01:56:17.000 And that if you did everything you could to cater it to the comedians first, that they would come and bring their best and the best comedians would be there, which means that people were going to come see the best art, right?
01:56:26.000 Same concept I'm going to try to do with music.
01:56:28.000 It's my next move, dude.
01:56:29.000 Let me open my bar first, Bobo, and I'm going to circle back about this.
01:56:31.000 That's a great idea.
01:56:32.000 I just want your right to call it.
01:56:33.000 I don't want no money.
01:56:34.000 100%.
01:56:34.000 No, do it.
01:56:35.000 I just want to call it the Music Mothership.
01:56:36.000 It's a great idea.
01:56:37.000 And we'll talk about the logo because I want to kind of do a music.
01:56:39.000 I want to do like a guitar version of the alien.
01:56:41.000 You know what I'm saying?
01:56:42.000 Do it.
01:56:42.000 Do it up.
01:56:43.000 Do it up.
01:56:44.000 Imagine you're a little alien with a guitar.
01:56:45.000 You know what I'm saying?
01:56:46.000 And call it the Music Mothership.
01:56:48.000 Well, the idea behind it, you could definitely apply to music.
01:56:51.000 Yeah, for sure.
01:56:52.000 Same kind of idea.
01:56:53.000 Take the phone.
01:56:54.000 You know what else happens, too?
01:56:55.000 I thought about this.
01:56:56.000 If I take the phones like y'all do, then it becomes a laboratory.
01:57:00.000 Yeah.
01:57:01.000 Right?
01:57:01.000 Because then it goes from, like, not only will I sing you the hit I just wrote, how about I got a song Morgan Wallen's finna put out next month that nobody's heard.
01:57:09.000 Ooh.
01:57:10.000 Ooh.
01:57:11.000 You see what I'm saying?
01:57:12.000 Yeah.
01:57:12.000 Yeah.
01:57:13.000 And it's a safe place.
01:57:14.000 Morgan shows up to sing it.
01:57:15.000 Nobody's videoing.
01:57:16.000 Nobody's picturing.
01:57:16.000 People know it's a laboratory, too.
01:57:18.000 And that's another exciting thing about it.
01:57:21.000 Like, when you go to the mothership, you go to that Bottom of the Barrel show.
01:57:23.000 That's a full laboratory show.
01:57:25.000 My favorite show I've seen there. 0.99
01:57:26.000 Nobody knows what the fuck it's going to be about. 0.98
01:57:29.000 You're just reaching into a barrel and pulling out suggestions. 0.97
01:57:31.000 Yeah, that a bunch of people that are mothership fans wrote on paper.
01:57:35.000 Yeah.
01:57:35.000 It gets wild immediately.
01:57:37.000 They're fucking There wasn't a warm-up question. 1.00
01:57:40.000 It's automatically to the... 1.00
01:57:41.000 Brian Simpson is so good at it, by the way.
01:57:43.000 Yeah, well, it's his show.
01:57:44.000 But the reason why it's so good is because it's like a premise factory.
01:57:48.000 Like, you just get ignited by this thought that you didn't think of before that.
01:57:53.000 Like, in that moment, someone says something about fire trucks, and then you're like, you know about fire trucks?
01:57:58.000 And then all of a sudden, there's a bit.
01:58:01.000 Right.
01:58:01.000 Like, all of a sudden, because of necessity, because you're forced into this situation where you're trying to, like, it's literally like you're calling on the muse on the stage.
01:58:10.000 And, you know, a lot of times it's nothing. 0.98
01:58:11.000 Like, seven out of ten times, you ain't got shit for that bit. 0.95
01:58:14.000 But every now and then, you catch fire, and that becomes, like, a bit. 0.97
01:58:17.000 Oh, have you ever had one birthed into a bit?
01:58:19.000 A bunch of them.
01:58:20.000 I'll tell you which one's off-stage or off-camera, but a bunch of them.
01:58:24.000 That's awesome.
01:58:25.000 Yeah, a bunch of them.
01:58:26.000 Because it's just like that little room, too, is like so... 0.55
01:58:30.000 You can't bullshit anybody in that little room.
01:58:33.000 It feels like we're all sitting Indian style together. 0.96
01:58:35.000 Yeah, there's only 100 people in there.
01:58:37.000 110, I think, is when it's fully packed.
01:58:40.000 Dave was the first person to go on stage there.
01:58:42.000 Really?
01:58:43.000 Yeah.
01:58:43.000 Well, actually, Shane first.
01:58:45.000 Shane opened for Gillis.
01:58:46.000 Gillis opened for Chappelle.
01:58:48.000 We didn't even tell the audience who was going on stage.
01:58:50.000 We just said it was a special, intimate show.
01:58:51.000 Show sold out like that.
01:58:53.000 Nobody knew who it was.
01:58:54.000 And then Gillis goes on stage, does 15 minutes, and he brings up Dave.
01:58:57.000 And Dave did like an hour and a half.
01:58:59.000 And he just fully writes on stage.
01:59:02.000 Like he had just done a special.
01:59:03.000 He fully writes on stage.
01:59:05.000 Like he has ideas and he just like lets them breathe. 0.99
01:59:08.000 Just fucks around on stage. 0.99
01:59:10.000 Gets a little tipsy. 1.00
01:59:13.000 Just fucks around on stage. 0.98
01:59:15.000 You can cut this if you don't want me to tell it, but my favorite story I tell about you is my time at the comedy club with you. 0.99
01:59:22.000 It was one of the first times I did this pod.
01:59:24.000 I think you had shows that night, and I went to both of them.
01:59:26.000 And the first one was killer.
01:59:28.000 But the second one, you had gotten a little slippery.
01:59:31.000 And it was fun.
01:59:33.000 It was like, because I remember right before you walked out there, you even looked at me, and that's the word you used.
01:59:38.000 You said I felt a little slippery.
01:59:39.000 It's just a little loose.
01:59:41.000 You had your cup in your hand, and I'd just seen a twinkle in you.
01:59:43.000 I was like, oh, I'm staying.
01:59:45.000 Because I was going to leave.
01:59:46.000 I'd already seen the show, you know?
01:59:47.000 And you did two shows.
01:59:48.000 I was like, oh, I've got to see this.
01:59:49.000 I think this is going to be a little different.
01:59:52.000 Those are the fun ones. 0.96
01:59:53.000 Yeah, it was fun, man, because I got to watch the same set, but you fuck around a little more and kind of get lost in it sometimes, just having fun with it. 0.99
02:00:00.000 You know, like you could tell you were like, you did the first one like, this is what I know I got, and the second one you had a couple cocktails, like, I'm going to riff on this point a little bit, just fuck off. 0.98
02:00:08.000 Sometimes when you do that you have the best part of the joke. 0.99
02:00:10.000 And that's when you'll find probably the shit that closes it out. 0.94
02:00:13.000 There's sometimes like taglines just come to you in the moment and you're like wow I never even thought of that one before. 0.98
02:00:19.000 Do you get straight off stage and write them down?
02:00:21.000 No I record all my sets.
02:00:22.000 Oh wow.
02:00:23.000 So then after I'm done I'll listen to the recording then I write.
02:00:26.000 Yeah.
02:00:27.000 I sit down from the laptop and just actually sit down and put them out.
02:00:30.000 Does it help you to see your ideas like that?
02:00:32.000 It helps me to expand on them because it takes longer to type a thought than it does to think it.
02:00:38.000 So if I'm thinking of a coffee cup, I'm thinking of it instantly, but it takes a couple of seconds for me to write it.
02:00:44.000 And that gives me chances to explore left, right, down, up, all these different ways you can go with an idea.
02:00:51.000 And then I'll usually try to write it out like an essay form.
02:00:55.000 So if I have an idea and it's funny and it does really well in the bottom of the barrel or a riff out of nowhere, Then I take that idea and I just write out like an essay.
02:01:04.000 I'm not even trying to be funny.
02:01:05.000 I just try to think about all the different angles of this idea and then I'll extract like little pieces of it and try these little pieces on stage.
02:01:14.000 Wow.
02:01:15.000 And then you go and test them and chew the meat and spit the fat.
02:01:18.000 And then sometimes in the middle of it, like, this sounds wrong.
02:01:20.000 This sounds disingenuous.
02:01:22.000 I take a totally different approach.
02:01:23.000 Sometimes I contradict myself. 0.93
02:01:25.000 Like, in the middle of it, I go, but what the fuck do I... Why would I think that I know the answer to that? 0.83
02:01:29.000 And then that becomes the bit. 0.94
02:01:31.000 Right.
02:01:31.000 Then it turns into a turn.
02:01:33.000 Yeah.
02:01:33.000 You never know, man.
02:01:34.000 And the whole thing is just numbers.
02:01:36.000 You just got to put a lot of numbers in.
02:01:38.000 A lot of numbers in front of the computer.
02:01:40.000 Numbers on stage.
02:01:41.000 It's just...
02:01:42.000 It's like this constant process of building a mountain one layer of paint at a time.
02:01:47.000 Yeah, just constant.
02:01:49.000 Time under pressure.
02:01:51.000 Me and my daughter, she writes songs.
02:01:54.000 She's already so much better than I was at 16. But she would come to me a couple years ago and she'd be like, hey, I want to put some of this stuff out.
02:02:01.000 I've been writing all this stuff.
02:02:03.000 And I was torn because I was like, well, you should have the right to put out whatever you want.
02:02:05.000 That's the freedom that exists.
02:02:07.000 But I know something you don't know.
02:02:10.000 That you just wrote your first 30 songs.
02:02:12.000 And they're incredible.
02:02:14.000 For your first 30 songs.
02:02:16.000 You know what I mean?
02:02:18.000 You go write a hundred.
02:02:20.000 And let's see if we can find five that are worth rewriting.
02:02:23.000 Reworking, refiguring out.
02:02:24.000 You know what I mean?
02:02:25.000 And I was cool.
02:02:26.000 It taught me a lot about her personality because she was like, I get it.
02:02:29.000 She got it immediately.
02:02:30.000 I wouldn't have got it at 15. You know what I mean?
02:02:32.000 She got it.
02:02:32.000 She was like, cool, no problem.
02:02:33.000 Well, she probably sees what you do.
02:02:35.000 And that's the beautiful thing about having an example, whether it's your peers or for her, your dad.
02:02:42.000 You get to see an example of how someone does a process.
02:02:46.000 Because if you're not around anybody that's trying to get good at something, you don't really know how to do it.
02:02:51.000 Right.
02:02:51.000 That's one of the cool things about a conversation like this.
02:02:54.000 Because there's people out there that are listening that don't have anybody around them that's doing cool shit. 0.97
02:02:58.000 Right. 0.98
02:02:59.000 And they think it's impossible. 0.99
02:03:00.000 And they hear about this dude that was in jail for half his fucking life. 0.97
02:03:03.000 And this other dude who's a cage fighting commentator and stand-up comedian. 1.00
02:03:09.000 These fucking guys, they're not normal either. 1.00
02:03:11.000 Right. 1.00
02:03:11.000 Maybe I'm not normal. 1.00
02:03:14.000 Maybe there is something out there for me.
02:03:17.000 Yes.
02:03:17.000 But I don't hear it from anybody in my neighborhood.
02:03:19.000 I don't hear it from my parents.
02:03:20.000 I don't hear it from my teachers.
02:03:22.000 I don't hear it from my boss.
02:03:23.000 Right. 0.97
02:03:24.000 And I'm fucking lost, you know? 0.90
02:03:26.000 And then they hear people talk about, like, the love of writing songs that you have, the passion you have for creating a thing, how you piece it, how you jump up and write down the premise. 0.95
02:03:37.000 You write down an idea for a lyric.
02:03:40.000 And then in their head, they're like, I can do that with something.
02:03:44.000 Yeah.
02:03:45.000 I can do that with something.
02:03:46.000 I just have to find a thing.
02:03:51.000 My daddy, I sat down with him at a bar called the Tin Roof on the Mummery Street one night, Joe, and I looked my dad in the eye and I said, I'm done.
02:03:58.000 I said, I've done everything I can.
02:04:00.000 I remember I was probably 29 years old, probably a decade ago.
02:04:04.000 And I said, Dad, I've been out of jail five years or four years, whatever.
02:04:09.000 I've done everything I can in this business.
02:04:11.000 You know how hard I've worked.
02:04:13.000 Do you think our brother Roger will give me a job on a meat truck?
02:04:15.000 Because my father sold meat.
02:04:17.000 So did my brother.
02:04:18.000 And He said, I know your brother will give you a job on a meat truck, but I want to give you some perspective.
02:04:23.000 I said, I'm open for a healthy dose of that.
02:04:26.000 He said, you've only been out here trying this as hard as you possibly can for five years, just five, four years, four and a five years.
02:04:34.000 I said, Dad, that's five years.
02:04:36.000 He said, if you went to Vanderbilt, you still wouldn't have your bachelor's degree.
02:04:43.000 Joe.
02:04:43.000 It's true.
02:04:45.000 Right?
02:04:46.000 It's so true. 0.84
02:04:47.000 It covered me.
02:04:49.000 And he said, Jason, if you're working as hard as you really, as I know you are, if you're really writing every day, if you're doing shows every week, and I was opening up 50 bucks a night. 0.98
02:04:58.000 I mean, you know, my story is that old school, get in the van and go do a thousand shows for fucking gas money. 0.97
02:05:04.000 You know what I mean? 0.96
02:05:05.000 He was like, if you're really doing that, there's no way it's not going to work.
02:05:10.000 If you're really doing it, not you're faking it, not you're half-assing it, if you're really, this is all that matters to you.
02:05:17.000 If you were going to Vanderbilt right now and you did it for another five years, you'd finally be a brain surgeon.
02:05:22.000 He said, if I was you, I'd wait and see if I was a brain surgeon.
02:05:26.000 You know what I'm saying?
02:05:27.000 I swear, dude.
02:05:28.000 I'll never forget, and I'll never forget calling him crying the first time I moved into a neighborhood with a surgeon.
02:05:35.000 You know what I mean?
02:05:36.000 Right. 0.99
02:05:36.000 You know, when you call him, like, you won't fucking believe. 0.99
02:05:38.000 I just met my neighbor. 0.93
02:05:39.000 Guess what he does?
02:05:40.000 What? 1.00
02:05:41.000 It's a fucking plastic surgeon. 1.00
02:05:42.000 You know what I'm saying? 1.00
02:05:46.000 That's crazy.
02:05:47.000 Yeah, that old man knew something, though.
02:05:49.000 But he just knew that the law of work would never work against us.
02:05:52.000 You know what I mean?
02:05:52.000 Yeah, if you keep going.
02:05:54.000 That's the thing we were talking about before, about people bailing out.
02:05:57.000 Yeah, that's it.
02:05:57.000 It gets hard.
02:05:58.000 You just gotta sit, man.
02:05:59.000 You just gotta sit, man.
02:06:00.000 You just gotta sit.
02:06:01.000 You also gotta recognize when you're making the right moves or the wrong moves.
02:06:04.000 You know, with what you're doing.
02:06:05.000 And sometimes people don't want to course correct.
02:06:07.000 They don't want to course correct.
02:06:10.000 Then it could be a bad relationship.
02:06:12.000 Ooh, that one's tanked more guys than anything.
02:06:14.000 Yeah, I've seen it.
02:06:15.000 And gals.
02:06:16.000 I've seen it.
02:06:17.000 The bad relationship one, that'll tank you.
02:06:19.000 No, that'll do it.
02:06:20.000 Yeah, it'll become everything in your life is that thing, and then you have very little resources for your art.
02:06:24.000 Yeah.
02:06:25.000 Because your life is just a storm. 1.00
02:06:27.000 It's just a storm of confusion and chaos and fucking emotions every day. 1.00
02:06:31.000 Yeah. 0.99
02:06:31.000 And then trying to block it out to make the art. 0.99
02:06:33.000 Exactly.
02:06:34.000 You know?
02:06:34.000 Yeah.
02:06:35.000 If you can't allow it to be the muse for it.
02:06:37.000 For me, it was a little different because it became the muse.
02:06:40.000 The chaos that was happening around me just became—I had a moment where—and this is such a cool epiphany I had, Joe.
02:06:47.000 For the longest time, I thought I was special because I was from Antioch, Tennessee, and I grew up in a certain kind of way around certain kind of people, and that I was special because that was—I hung on to that like, I'm different.
02:07:00.000 And then I realized what was happening was I was just like everybody else. 0.89
02:07:05.000 That's what the superpower really was, is that every fucking neighborhood in America is like Antioch almost. 0.97
02:07:10.000 You know what I mean? 0.98
02:07:12.000 So it was like a totally different thing.
02:07:14.000 So I started realizing, oh, this is the muse.
02:07:18.000 I'm speaking for every man when I'm writing just the chaos that's happening around me right now.
02:07:23.000 This is the everyman story.
02:07:26.000 Isn't it crazy that everybody wants to be special?
02:07:29.000 But every special person wants to be an everyman?
02:07:34.000 Yeah, I like being an everyman.
02:07:37.000 That's what I like being.
02:07:37.000 Me too.
02:07:38.000 Yeah, but when you're a kid, you want to be different.
02:07:41.000 You want to pretend that you're different than other people because that'll make success more attainable.
02:07:46.000 Exactly.
02:07:46.000 You want to pretend that you have some special quality and ability that other people don't possess, so that's why you can get to this bizarre position that everybody wants, where everybody in our business wants to be successful and famous.
02:08:00.000 So you have to be bizarre. 0.96
02:08:01.000 And then once you get there, you're like, oh, shit, everybody's just the same. 0.99
02:08:05.000 Everybody's the same. 0.99
02:08:06.000 I got to make sure that I keep that.
02:08:08.000 Make sure that I keep we're all the same.
02:08:10.000 It was in my songwriting, I'm going to say 2015, 16-ish, I realized that I was trying to tell special stories.
02:08:21.000 And that God had put me in a situation.
02:08:23.000 He was screaming at me to tell a story of a group of people that had never had their story told.
02:08:28.000 But I was just going out of my way to try to come up with a special story.
02:08:31.000 You know what I mean?
02:08:32.000 And then when I started being like, you know what?
02:08:34.000 No, I'm just going to write about my neighbor who's struggling with drug addiction.
02:08:38.000 I'm just going to write a song about my baby mother because I'm infuriated that she left our daughter high and dry like this because of drugs. 1.00
02:08:44.000 You know what I mean?
02:08:44.000 I just started writing from that perspective.
02:08:46.000 Yeah.
02:08:47.000 And then I realized that it was connecting with people because it was an everyman story.
02:08:52.000 You know what I mean?
02:08:54.000 I almost called this album Cinderella Man.
02:08:57.000 Right?
02:08:58.000 And I'll tell you why I didn't.
02:08:59.000 But I thought, I watched the movie and I was like, I had a moment in that movie where when he's walking, you've seen the movie, right?
02:09:06.000 Y'all have all seen the movie.
02:09:07.000 Yeah, sure.
02:09:08.000 He's walking and for those who haven't, it's about an old boxer who in the depression had kind of Was on a losing streak, kind of long in the tooth.
02:09:15.000 James Prattock.
02:09:16.000 James Prattock.
02:09:17.000 They would call him a journeyman, is what we call him now.
02:09:19.000 He looked like he was never going to work out for him.
02:09:21.000 Couldn't get a job on a loading dock almost.
02:09:23.000 Family splitting bread.
02:09:25.000 One of the greatest movies ever.
02:09:26.000 Russell Crowe, right?
02:09:27.000 Yep.
02:09:28.000 And he comes out, and towards the end he ends up fighting this championship fight, and it's a crazy movie to watch.
02:09:32.000 But when he's running, he goes by the old dock, and they're all cheering for him.
02:09:36.000 And I relate to this because this happened to me.
02:09:38.000 And he didn't understand it.
02:09:40.000 So he looks at his manager.
02:09:41.000 You remember this scene?
02:09:42.000 This is the scene that I related to the most.
02:09:43.000 He looks at his manager and goes, why are they cheering for me?
02:09:46.000 He goes, because you're them. 0.99
02:09:51.000 I was like, I'm the fucking Cinderella Man. 0.99
02:09:53.000 That's why this worked for me at 40. You know what I mean? 0.99
02:09:55.000 But I ended up calling it Beautifully Broken because as I started really writing, because that was my idea going into the project, I'm going to write the Cinderella Man story.
02:10:07.000 And all I could think about was other people.
02:10:10.000 Every time I'd pick up a pen, I would think about this young lady at a show who told me that Save Me helped her because she was raped by her uncle.
02:10:20.000 So I'm like, what do I write for her?
02:10:27.000 I see winning streak.
02:10:29.000 I watch this moment.
02:10:32.000 I gotta write that for him.
02:10:33.000 You know?
02:10:34.000 Now, I might write some of them from first perspective, but it changed everything.
02:10:38.000 And all of a sudden, I was like, this album ain't about me.
02:10:42.000 You know what I mean?
02:10:43.000 Right.
02:10:43.000 This album's about finding beauty in broken things.
02:10:47.000 You know?
02:10:47.000 Yeah.
02:10:48.000 And instantly, it was like, once again, how God works.
02:10:52.000 As soon as I took me out of it, the album blossomed.
02:10:57.000 Immediately. 0.99
02:10:58.000 I wrote 80 songs that sucked. 0.80
02:11:00.000 Just couldn't find my way to what story I was trying to tell.
02:11:04.000 You know?
02:11:04.000 And just as soon as I was like, let's go back to where's the muse coming from?
02:11:09.000 Who am I writing for?
02:11:10.000 I say I'm the voice of the voiceless.
02:11:11.000 When I had the opportunity to go talk about fentanyl down at Capitol Hill, I didn't hesitate.
02:11:16.000 I knew I was going to talk for a bunch of people that couldn't talk.
02:11:19.000 You know what I mean?
02:11:20.000 It's like, who am I writing this for?
02:11:21.000 And dude, it changed that whole writing style, dog.
02:11:24.000 Then I got lost and wrote another 80. But now I'm having fun.
02:11:27.000 I got a direction.
02:11:29.000 I feel like I've heard from God.
02:11:30.000 I'm Moses.
02:11:31.000 You know what I'm saying?
02:11:31.000 The burning bushes spoke.
02:11:33.000 I know what I'm supposed to be writing about, you know?
02:11:35.000 It took me 16 months to get there, but that's just how it works.
02:11:38.000 Isn't that crazy what you're saying, too, about taking yourself out of it?
02:11:40.000 As soon as I took me out of it.
02:11:42.000 You know what I mean?
02:11:43.000 As soon as I took me out of it.
02:11:45.000 It was that easy.
02:11:46.000 It snapped that fast.
02:11:48.000 It's almost like a trap.
02:11:50.000 It's the You're So Vain song.
02:11:52.000 It's like a trap.
02:11:53.000 That trap of thinking about yourself.
02:11:56.000 You waste so much of your resources.
02:11:59.000 So much of your resources.
02:12:01.000 Thinking about how you want to come off.
02:12:03.000 How you want people to react to it. 1.00
02:12:05.000 How you want to get out there and kill it in front of everybody. 0.98
02:12:08.000 And you miss all the beautiful magic. 0.94
02:12:11.000 All the magic.
02:12:13.000 It's right there.
02:12:14.000 Yeah.
02:12:14.000 You know, and you're just missing...
02:12:15.000 You just get lost in the art.
02:12:17.000 And when you're at your best, you are them.
02:12:19.000 You are one of them.
02:12:20.000 You're like singing for them.
02:12:22.000 You know?
02:12:23.000 When I'm at my best, it's when I didn't know they were cheering.
02:12:26.000 I didn't know they were even cheering for me.
02:12:27.000 Right.
02:12:28.000 It's because I'm one of them.
02:12:29.000 You know what I mean?
02:12:30.000 It's kind of like the...
02:12:31.000 Yeah, it's that same kind...
02:12:33.000 Yeah, this album was...
02:12:34.000 The most fun I've ever had getting to an album.
02:12:36.000 I learned so much about myself.
02:12:38.000 I think that's one of the things that people really dislike about stars, like famous people, like people that you think of as stars, that they somehow or another think they're better than everybody else.
02:12:47.000 That's the thing that people dislike the most.
02:12:50.000 Like, oh, they think they're better than us.
02:12:52.000 They live in Beverly Hills.
02:12:54.000 They think they're better than us because they're a star.
02:12:56.000 You ain't better than us.
02:12:58.000 When someone can do what you do and stay the same person and stay them, just a better version of who you used to be, but stay normal.
02:13:06.000 Yeah, and actually getting better every day because I'm doing the work.
02:13:09.000 I'm trying to be better, you know what I mean?
02:13:11.000 I was telling the Titans when I went and talked to them at the game, I was like, I don't focus on winning anything but life.
02:13:18.000 I know that everything else is going to be good as long as I'm focused on being a good father.
02:13:23.000 Like, priority number one is like, am I a good husband? 0.99
02:13:25.000 What I've learned is if I'm winning as a husband and I'm winning as a father, I am fucking kicking ass in business. 0.98
02:13:31.000 Yeah, the last thing you want is those home dramas. 0.98
02:13:33.000 Yeah, you know.
02:13:34.000 You don't want no home drama.
02:13:35.000 No, it's crazy.
02:13:36.000 But it's also, that's something, we talk about things that distracted people.
02:13:39.000 I was in so many bad relationships early, or even times in my life I was single courting multiple women.
02:13:45.000 And that's such a distraction.
02:13:47.000 Like when I got with my wife and fell to the point of being like, I don't want to spend time with any woman but you. 0.92
02:13:54.000 The time I have to spend, I want to spend it with you.
02:13:57.000 And it's like my whole world suddenly went from feeling like it was this big to this big.
02:14:02.000 And when it got that small, I was like, oh man, this is it.
02:14:06.000 We're in a foxhole. 0.98
02:14:07.000 And then I just started kicking ass outside of that. 0.98
02:14:09.000 You know what I'm saying? 0.99
02:14:10.000 Life just starts winning and I'm like, oh dude, it's because I'm fucking winning at home. 0.65
02:14:14.000 It's also what you're saying too about your resources. 0.69
02:14:17.000 You have so much more to give and everything's positive.
02:14:21.000 A happy home life feeds off your happy business life and your happy performing life.
02:14:27.000 That's what we all want.
02:14:29.000 We all want a beautiful community of people that are enjoying life and experiencing life together. 1.00
02:14:35.000 Your family and your friends and the people you fuck around with. 0.98
02:14:39.000 You just want a beautiful community of people having a good time. 1.00
02:14:42.000 That's possible.
02:14:43.000 But it's hard.
02:14:45.000 And that's why it's so wonderful when you get it.
02:14:47.000 Because you know that there's a lot of people out there that are never going to get it.
02:14:52.000 Man, that's deep.
02:14:53.000 That's probably the hardest part.
02:14:54.000 It's a lot of work towards it, too, though, man.
02:14:56.000 A lot of work.
02:14:57.000 It's a lot of work on yourself.
02:14:59.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:15:00.000 Lots of work.
02:15:01.000 That's work in relationships, though, man.
02:15:03.000 Just think about the arc that you've gone through from being a kid, getting arrested as a kid, spending all that time in juvenile and jail, and then getting free, and then figuring out that you're talented, and then pursuing this crazy, impossible dream,
02:15:18.000 you know, to where you are now.
02:15:21.000 It's nuts.
02:15:21.000 Sitting on the biggest podcast of the world, my bubba.
02:15:24.000 It's an amazing story.
02:15:26.000 I mean, it's amazing.
02:15:27.000 If it was in a movie, you'd have a hard time believing it.
02:15:29.000 That movie's nuts.
02:15:31.000 Nah, man.
02:15:31.000 Yeah, for sure.
02:15:32.000 I'm telling you, dude. 1.00
02:15:33.000 That little fat, nerdy alien that's playing me on the game every day is fucking killing it. 1.00
02:15:37.000 He's killing it. 1.00
02:15:38.000 My brother, I appreciate you very much.
02:15:40.000 Yeah, I love you.
02:15:40.000 I love you very much.
02:15:41.000 I gotta put Jamie on blast before we go, though.
02:15:43.000 Oh, that's right.
02:15:44.000 Jamie, we got a deal.
02:15:46.000 Me and Jamie had some cocktails one night.
02:15:48.000 Now look at Jamie.
02:15:49.000 And we had a deal that if I ever played Ohio Stadium, Joe Rogan, that Jamie was going to come out and play the guitar.
02:15:55.000 Jamie, you got any video of you playing guitar?
02:15:57.000 Yeah.
02:15:57.000 Not recently, but yeah, I used to be in a band and played music on stage and stuff.
02:16:01.000 Sure.
02:16:01.000 He definitely knew.
02:16:02.000 I heard him talking.
02:16:03.000 Do you have any video of you playing guitar that we could sweat right now?
02:16:06.000 No.
02:16:08.000 You wouldn't know it was me.
02:16:09.000 It's just a lot of heavy metal music.
02:16:10.000 Will you pull up a Buckeye Country Fest then so you can show everybody the flyer of the concert you're going to be playing next year?
02:16:20.000 Oh my God.
02:16:21.000 There it is, baby.
02:16:22.000 I'll see you there, Jamie.
02:16:23.000 Jamie, June 21st, 2025, Ohio Stadium, Columbus, Ohio. 0.99
02:16:28.000 Let's fucking go. 1.00
02:16:29.000 Yeah, fuck Jelly Roll. 1.00
02:16:30.000 Y'all come to see young Jamie play that guitar. 1.00
02:16:32.000 I love that Megan Maroney chick, too.
02:16:34.000 Listen, man, she's awesome, awesome, dude.
02:16:37.000 Yeah, my daughter turned me on to her. 1.00
02:16:40.000 Yeah, she is badass, man. 1.00
02:16:43.000 When she made her Opry debut, she wore a jelly roll jacket, and it tickled me so pink.
02:16:47.000 It made me like the cool dad for my daughter, because my daughter loves her, too.
02:16:51.000 That's amazing.
02:16:52.000 Really cool.
02:16:52.000 I love you, Joe, man.
02:16:53.000 I love you, too, brother.
02:16:54.000 Thank you for your time, brother.
02:16:55.000 Beautifully broken, available now.
02:16:56.000 Available now.
02:16:57.000 Go get it.
02:16:57.000 Bye, everybody.
02:16:58.000 Bye.