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00:00:44.000And I went in thinking that vaccines were the pinnacle of human technology and came out thinking that the moon landing wasn't real and Michelle Obama's got a dick.
00:01:10.000Because everybody's speaking so forcibly.
00:01:12.000This is one question I wanted to ask you.
00:01:14.000You talk to all these dudes all the time.
00:01:16.000One of the things I miss, I would be talking to people and be like, Oh, this is going on off Gaston, and I'll be like, oh, I was just there.
00:01:38.000But no one's really going after it and saying, like, as an investigative journalist, saying, what's real, what's not real, what's true, what's not true.
00:02:37.000Bobby Kennedy seems to be, like, so fast.
00:02:42.000I remember I used to watch Tony Blair during Question Period, and he'd, like, leap up, and he'd be like, blah, blah, blah, and he was so, like, he knew everything and the facts and stuff.
00:02:50.000Like, you've interviewed him a bunch of times, or...?
00:03:20.000I don't know who's doing it or what faction or how small the amount of people are that are involved in it.
00:03:27.000Imagine if you're a legitimate person working for the CIA and you think that the CIA is trying to assassinate Trump and you're like, what the fuck?
00:03:37.000It's got to be a small faction of intelligence agencies that want to do things.
00:03:45.000How many people do you think were involved in the Kennedy assassination?
00:03:50.000So there's a guy named Peter Dale Scott who actually wrote the book on the deep state and brought like the concept over from Turkey to here and broke it.
00:03:58.000And if you talk to him, so he was really involved or wrote about or covered the – they tried to assassinate Castro.
00:04:05.000That was the first American deep state thing, which is like – by the way, that's factual.
00:04:10.000That's like – there were the mob and Cubans and the CIA and they tried to commit – Many times they tried to kill him.
00:04:18.000And then, you know, that sort of morphed, and there's all this sort of mix into the Kennedy and Bobby Kennedy, RFK assassination attempts that this guy was referencing.
00:04:33.000And you're just like, deep state has such a negative connotation to it because it's like conspiracy-ish, but you're like, when it got explained to me by the guys who sort of Coined the terms which is you know like there's this intelligence agencies or the Pentagon Career bureaucrats who by the way go back and forth it's a rotating door they go to Raytheon they go to Boeing they go and they get the contract trillions of dollars And they act in cahoots with each other and you're like yeah,
00:05:00.000that makes total fucking sense of course like that it's business really business relationship and then if they have Something that needs to happen You have all kinds of people Who will do that thing for you?
00:10:16.000Yeah, he was the most remote human until we found those people in Russia and in Siberia who had run from Stalin and this family who had gone up into the mountains and just lived there for like 80 years.
00:11:30.000But when you guys were, you know, when it was young, it was like, it was new internet, right?
00:11:36.000Because internet opened up a bunch of different possibilities.
00:11:39.000And it opened up possibilities for legitimate, independent journalism and legitimate, independent thinkers who were really disconnected from the sort of stiff, stuffy, mainstream perspective of what's going on in life.
00:12:10.000And then now it's this bizarre propaganda machine that's ideologically captured to the point where it's preposterous.
00:12:21.000Like, they say things that are just so outlandish and so not in tune with logic or objectivity.
00:12:29.000It's so strange to see, going from what you made to what it is now.
00:12:36.000Yeah, look, I mean, I could get into the nuances, which are many and boring, but basically what happens is, you know, and I actually called it from the beginning.
00:12:49.000I said, look, we're going to get too big, and at that point, we're going to become the thing that we're like we were a challenger brand, and we're going to become the status quo, and then we're going to get our asses kicked, A. B, I said, look, all internet is now consolidating and media is consolidating and everybody's consolidating because they have to because the big five are taking all the money.
00:13:13.000And we knew it was coming, but it came...
00:13:16.000Like, look, I'll tell you another thing.
00:13:34.000Like, you just put on shit and people watch it.
00:13:36.000And then, like, if you say, I want to do this and nobody watches it, then you don't get to say, I want to do this that often.
00:13:41.000And we always had a thing where we gave the company over to the interns.
00:13:46.000If we just stayed a Gen X free giveaway, we would have never gotten into video.
00:13:51.000In fact, when we got into video, we were derided by the old guys for selling out because going to online video was seen as a sellout because we should have stayed in a magazine.
00:14:00.000So we used to give it over to the interns.
00:14:43.000So I moved to L.A. because our biggest clients were there, the biggest platforms were there, no one was out there, kids, and I was like, okay, I can move to the country and commute into New York or I can move to L.A. So I moved to LA and that started a whole...
00:15:20.000The best time for Vice, the time that you're talking about, the time that I loved, was, you know, you would go, before all the big investors and everything, you would go to, like, Italy, right?
00:15:30.000And you would get an apartment, and, you know, you get a girlfriend, and you find an office, and you hire people that look like you, or hang out like you, or just are cool, or whatever, and Yeah.
00:16:01.000You'd build something, it was tangible, the mag would come out, you'd start shooting stuff, and it would be fucking awesome.
00:16:08.000And then, when it got to be like, you fly in and you meet with lawyers and accountants and it's shit, and then you fly out again the next day, it's terrible, right?
00:16:19.000And so, when that happened, I was like, I won't do this anymore.
00:16:50.000And also, Jamie has super good vibes, which helps.
00:16:52.000Yeah, no, he's the best, but it's the most important.
00:16:55.000I have friends that have big podcasts, and they have this huge staff, and they have all these people running around.
00:17:01.000I'm like, what do all these people do?
00:17:02.000And it's like they want this feeling of they're the boss of a bunch of employees for some reason.
00:17:10.000Like they want all these production people that are creating content.
00:17:14.000But then you have inner office conflicts, and they're always putting out fires, and people are complaining, and then people leave and make videos talking about what a piece of shit boss you were.
00:17:23.000And it's like, hey man, you're dealing in this thing where there's currency in that information.
00:17:32.000So you hire these mediocre people and these mediocre people attack you because there's currency in attacking you, but you didn't need them in the first place.
00:17:40.000You're making a little bit more money, but you have more problems, but you don't notice that money.
00:17:47.000You have to pay attention to what you notice, right?
00:17:51.000Whatever the fuck you have in your bank account, If you're a fairly wealthy person and you have $100 more, $100 less, $1,000 more, $1,000 less, you don't notice it.
00:20:13.000When you're younger, you're like, oh, fuck it.
00:20:15.000And look, a fucking punk kid that came from nothing.
00:20:18.000So when you have employees, there is actually a Harvard thing where they say, There's a paradox where you hire somebody because you want someone to help you, but they're not as good as you, and you hire someone who's not as good as you, and then you hire someone who's not as good as them.
00:20:32.000So then all this stuff, and you have to do more work.
00:21:06.000After having learned what I've learned, we have a tiny little team that makes this thing, and it's super...
00:21:14.000It's like the early days of Vice where you're just making shit and talking to people and chopping it up and doing stuff and trying new shit out.
00:21:20.000Well, one week it'll be like this and the other week it'll be like that and we'll just fucking do everything.
00:22:30.000I got Johnny Cash's fucking car from 1969. What kind of car is that?
00:22:34.000So in 1969, Johnny Cash had the number one show in America, and ABC got him a one-of-a-kind Rolls-Royce, extra-long body, all black, black mahogany interior.
00:22:54.000I actually had to fly to China, and my buddy stayed there, and it was me and Wayne Newton bidding against each other for Johnny Cash's car.
00:23:04.000And when we got it, you know, it was like burning fucking fuel oil.
00:24:54.000Because when I came out to LA, I'm like, I'm going to get a shit brown Agatha Christie Rolls-Royce and an MS-13 driver with, like, the full 13 and, like, a safety controller.
00:27:28.000But the thing, my long-winded answer to that question was, I collected all this shit, and like you were saying, it doesn't bring you any fucking hell.
00:28:19.000I gotta fucking interview people and do shit.
00:28:21.000Because I'm gone to the fucking pharmacy.
00:28:24.000And, you know, I love going to a fucking supermarket because you're just like, I'm going to buy some fucking food and then we're going to go do some work and it's going to be fucking awesome.
00:31:37.000So I had, speaking of psychological damage as for things, I grew up poor, but went out with a very rich girl, and it was her birthday, right?
00:31:48.000We were in France, it was her birthday.
00:31:50.000And her uncle had forgotten her birthday.
00:31:53.000And so he's just like, oh, here, you know, take my watch, kind of thing.
00:31:56.000And they're like, no, no, no, like, you know, that watch is like a $50,000 watch, whatever.
00:32:00.000And I was like, there's no fucking watch that's worth $50,000.
00:32:31.000Yeah, I mean, the most expensive are still Patex, but yeah, like, those ones are, I mean, rare ones.
00:32:38.000Like, I was obsessed with, so I like the Paul Newman Panda, but they have, like, the lemon or the champagne panda, which is the gold version of that, which they made, like, four of.
00:32:49.000And I was chasing that down, and now I'm like, what the fuck?
00:33:11.000Like, how fast are these people going to get rid of the watches?
00:33:13.000It's not happened to me, although I have nearly lost them many times, because, you know, you have a few ales on the plane, and Take your shit off and put it in the box.
00:33:23.000I've never done it, but it's been close calls, but there's so many stories in the watch world about you're going through customs, you're going through security, you're going through somewhere, someone takes your phone.
00:33:33.000I've had a lot of people who are like, how much does that watch?
00:33:40.000Anyway, so I'm getting rid of all that shit just because you're like, it doesn't fucking mean anything.
00:33:44.000And what actually does mean shit is, like you were saying, you know, Learning shit, like making shit, but also at the same time going like, I'm learning shit.
00:34:46.000I mean, to me, there's so many opportunities in this life to be stimulated by exciting and interesting things where you can learn about stuff.
00:34:54.000And if you can figure out how that's your job, and it's not just something that you do on the bus on the way home, but it's actually your job, that's a good life.
00:35:47.000Not that I'm asking anybody to fucking cry for me or anything.
00:35:50.000It was actually a good thing because when you realize a lot of the stuff about happiness and stuff, you realize it not when you're cashing checks.
00:36:00.000Not a calm sea, never a good captain made.
00:37:13.000And look, everyone's looking at, for us, and then we can get on and other shit, but, you know, who left the fucking porthole open of the Titanic?
00:37:21.000And you're like, yeah, it hit a fucking iceberg.
00:37:47.000Other people start looking for solutions.
00:37:48.000Young people start fucking saying, this is what we gotta do, this is what we gotta do.
00:37:52.000And you have 5,000 people saying what we gotta do, rather than five.
00:37:55.000And you got people who are semi-checked out, if not checked out, and you know, shit got set.
00:38:00.000Nobody's fucking, it's my baby, nobody got fucking more sick about it than me, but you're like, okay, you know, so now, you know, we're doing, Vice News is me, we're doing the podcast, we're doing, it's fun, again, we're just fucking building, trying to do new shit with fucking AI and with some other stuff,
00:38:46.000I was saying to someone, because we were the forgotten generation, and everyone, like, I was shitting.
00:38:51.000And I was saying to someone, if you look at, you know, the Carl Sagan thing of, like, we live in the greatest envelope of history ever, like, of the billions of planets and the billions of years of this planet, like, we live in this final time when there's oxygen and there's water and you can fucking eat and you can fucking, you know.
00:39:06.000And then I'm like, okay, if you look at that, And then go, the best ever time has been, like, our little window.
00:39:15.000Like, born in the 60s, grew up in the 70s, fucking free to go play in the creek and fucking, you know, go hunting and fishing and all that shit.
00:39:22.000And then, you know, no parental supervision.
00:39:24.000But there's never been, like, a major fucking warning.
00:39:27.000We're not getting pitchforked in the stomach.
00:39:29.000You know, food has been, like, for the first time, really, in history, food is now everywhere as good for every kind of, you know, like, quality-wise, you know?
00:39:39.000Travel, luxury fucking international travel, like being able to do freaky jobs rather than work in a factory.
00:39:46.000Like all these fucking things happen for Gen X. And God knows if it happens again, because AI is going to be all human endeavor done by machines and environmental shit and fucking, you know, the world is changing in ways we can't even fucking imagine.
00:40:02.000All the parents were clucking hands about not learning math.
00:40:05.000You're like, AI is going to change fucking everything.
00:40:10.000And so I was talking to someone and saying, it's ironic, but Gen X actually lived in the greatest historical window of all time, potentially.
00:40:19.000And so I'm not going to just fucking not enjoy that.
00:40:23.000I'm going to go out there in life and just be like, I'm literally living in the greatest single fucking window in the history of history.
00:41:40.000I'll see you on Saturday at 8. But we were also free from the confines of social media.
00:41:47.000And social media has brought an incredible amount of information to people, but has also created a lot of very mentally ill people, whether they realize it or not.
00:41:56.000It's like you're getting a low dose of radiation all day long, every day.
00:42:06.000And then it can be psychologically very damaging if you read stuff about yourself.
00:42:12.000And I've had many friends that started becoming successful and then started doing really well and then started reading people's comments about them.
00:42:33.000If I was not a famous person, I was a person that was who I was when I was 19 years old, I would 100% be leaving shitty comments on YouTube videos and shitty comments on someone's Instagram or Twitter or whatever.
00:43:27.000Or just, look, if you're successful in particular, there's a lot of unsuccessful people that are very bitter, very sad, and they want to find everything wrong with you.
00:43:36.000We were talking about this in the green room last night.
00:43:39.000I fucking loved the new Beetlejuice movie.
00:44:41.000It was near our old vice office, and we, when we didn't have any money, the hack was you go there, order lunch to go, and you order the burger, because it's all the ends of the steaks, and the fucking killer burger, and you take it down to the river, and you look at Manhattan and have this,
00:44:57.000it was a $5 burger at the time, and you're like, this is the greatest fucking lunch in the greatest city.
00:46:01.000And I think we were talking about this last night that I think this is a symbol of the times we're going through right now because everyone is so anxious.
00:46:09.000The presidential elections are headed and no one knows what the fuck is going to happen or what's the right answer.
00:46:54.000And I don't, you know, I think we're missing out on the reality of our existence, which if we lived at any other time, we lived in 1924, and you got a time machine to go to 2024, you'd be like, holy shit, this is amazing!
00:47:08.000Or 1824, when you go get stabbed with a fucking bayonet and die of gangrene over to you.
00:47:43.000Everyone's got plastic in their balls.
00:47:45.000Well, that's the other problem I wanted to talk to you about is don't you freak – because when I first started studying politics, you have to take stats.
00:47:54.000And they're like – there was a Southern dude teaching me.
00:47:57.000He's like, you can have a statistic to prove anything.
00:48:00.000And my thing now is – and this is what I became interested in.
00:48:02.000It's like all the – this is why I started with RFK. Everyone has all the stats, and then they give stats so forcefully that you believe them.
00:48:10.000Like, well, that sounds fucking, you think?
00:48:12.000And there's stats about this, and there's stats about that, and all the stats are bad.
00:49:19.000I think that's the only way we're going to be able to keep people alive.
00:49:22.000My fear is that we're going to have too much control over those people if we do that, and those people will have no purpose.
00:49:27.000And we'll have an even more disenfranchised population than we have today.
00:49:31.000And the haves and the have-nots will be even further and further apart.
00:49:35.000And there's no real education that is in school today where you take a child and you say, hey, look, the world is going to change and most of these jobs are going to be useless.
00:49:46.000You're going to have to find something that you love that resonates with people.
00:49:50.000And if you do that, people are going to be willing to exchange that for money.
00:50:46.000So actually, when I was spending a lot of time in Silicon Valley, there was a lot of this talk, and they're talking about universal, you know, living wage or basic wage.
00:50:55.000And I was like, what are you fucking talking about?
00:50:57.000You're going to give everyone a hundred grand?
00:51:05.000So I was kind of the skeptic, you know?
00:51:07.000This is 10 years ago, and now all of this shit has come true.
00:51:09.000They were already thinking about this back then, because they're also saying exactly what you said, which is, let's say quantum computing happens and AI at the same time, which is probably three years away.
00:51:21.000One quantum computer has enough computing power that all the existing computers in the world today, right?
00:51:27.000And then you add AI to that, so there's a whole new Fucking tech revolution where it becomes even more rich people who own shit and even more.
00:51:35.000So they're like, unless you take care of those people, they're going to come, because we're the nerds, they're going to come with the hammers and the currency is going to be bullets.
00:52:48.000But a lot of people, they just exist, and they'll just play video games all day.
00:52:53.000And, you know, look, if we're going to deal with a society where everything is run by AI and automated, you're going to have to give people money.
00:53:00.000Because the extraordinary wealth that's going to be generated by AI is going to make that not that difficult to do.
00:53:06.000Especially when you consider how much money we give to other countries already.
00:53:19.000That amount of money, when you're dealing with AI, when you're dealing with automation, just to keep people fed and housed, like, that's reasonable.
00:53:28.000But you're going to have to figure out a way to give people purpose.
00:53:32.000And that's going to have to be a revamping of the education system.
00:53:37.000It's a revamping of the education system because you're saying, well, all of these – we were – and this is another great thing on GenX.
00:53:50.000Universal education is supposed to just be enough so you can be a good worker and a good taxpayer.
00:53:54.000And you get a job, and then, by the way, you get out of college, and you already have debt, then you buy a consumer durable.
00:54:01.000You buy a fucking car, you buy a washing machine, and we'll give everybody that, but we give you debt, and then you buy a house, and then you're in debt, and then you finally get out of debt, and then you die.
00:54:52.000And there's also this comparing thing.
00:54:56.000You know, I was at dinner the other night, and my friend, who's friends with this billionaire, his friend is a billionaire, and his friend was comparing his wealth to friends of his that own multiple corporations that are worth 30, 40 billion.
00:55:10.000He's like, I'm fucking poor compared to that guy.
00:55:22.000You should be fucking lying in the sun.
00:55:25.000You should be doing things you enjoy doing.
00:55:27.000You should be taking that trip you always wanted to take.
00:55:30.000That's what you're supposed to be doing.
00:55:31.000You're not supposed to be keeping up with other billionaires, so you're working 16 hours a day on Adderall just so that you can fucking get those stock numbers moving.
00:56:40.000So you don't have to worry about, like, I remember the first check I got, a real check, I got a development deal from Disney, of all people, when I was like, I guess I was like 26. And it was the first time I ever had a good chunk of money, like six figures in the bank.
00:57:12.000And I remember this revelation, like, okay, now I just have to keep this momentum going.
00:57:16.000Because once you have a good amount of money where you don't have to worry about money anymore, you don't want to ever get back to that desperation feeling.
00:58:26.000And that's why there is a chance, and it was good you brought that up, actually.
00:58:31.000That, like, you can kind of take this any way, you know, like humanity can take the next, let's say, 20 years any way we want to take it.
00:58:42.000And you can take it to be like, let's fucking learn from what we've learned and be positive and try to take this as a fucking thing where humanity gets better.
00:58:51.000And we do this in the right way, rather than just do a fucking knee-jerk reaction, freaking out, like, what the fuck's gonna...
00:58:57.000Like, I'm sure that you're gonna look back at a time when, like, social media was fucking fucking up kids' heads, and we're gonna say, that was crazy, dude!
00:59:06.000We're going to look at the stock market and go, yeah, it's fucking completely manipulated by supercomputers and trillion dollar funds and the little guy gets fucked.
00:59:27.000You know, chaotic time right now and you're exactly right and people getting anxious about it and everything.
00:59:31.000And you're like, yeah, we got to use that as a time to say, hey, why don't we fucking have an economy where there is a universal basic wage and or living wage and we take that to doing shit where you do something that you like and you're happy about because that your job is probably going away.
00:59:47.000I guarantee you it will cause less crime.
01:00:14.000I'm worried about the people that are already sort of indoctrinated into a certain specific way of living.
01:00:18.000And then all of a sudden their purpose, which was their job, you know, they worked at the factory and they're like, you know, Johnny's employee of the month.
01:00:26.000Johnny, you're doing a fucking great job.
01:01:06.000Everybody had a job, and it gave you a sense of purpose.
01:01:10.000We're going to have to figure this out quick, because I think it's going to be like the birth of a child.
01:01:16.000It's going to be like this screaming, wah, painful.
01:01:21.000It's going to be this thing filled with anxiety, but it is happening whether we like it or not.
01:01:27.000And if we don't start educating children about the benefits of having a fulfilled life where you're doing something you actually enjoy and not telling them, don't do that, it's too hard.
01:04:01.000But, yeah, so everyone said no to me, but so now I agree you have to go to kids and say, look, dude, do whatever the fuck you want and do what you're good at, do what you're passionate about, like, do that whole thing.
01:07:12.000And if you're on the wrong path in life and if you're doing something you don't want to do, figure out a way to get the fuck out of that job and actually do it.
01:07:46.000Well, that's when I go back to this thing of, you want to talk about meditation, is whenever you get angry or anxious, whatever, say, look, you're living in the greatest fucking window of time ever in the history of fucking time.
01:08:06.000And so when you put it in a sort of grandiose perspective, you're like, I'm going to enjoy the fucking shit out of today because this is the best day in the fucking world ever.
01:08:55.000The opportunity awaits itself right here.
01:08:57.000It really is the greatest country the world has ever known.
01:09:01.000In the middle of all the bullshit we're going through and all the chaos and all the potential wars that we're involved in and wars we're involved in, It's still the greatest place ever, the greatest time ever.
01:09:32.000And if you want to get ahead, people get angry at you.
01:09:34.000There's some stat like, again, going back to stats, but there's some stat like 80% of the world's wealth is inherited and by 2045 it's going to be even higher.
01:09:43.000And you're like, oh, fuck, you forget because we come from, oh, we made money or Elon made money or fucking Larry Page made money or whatever.
01:12:17.000You have to sign up and wait for three years.
01:12:19.000It's like the NHS in the UK or something.
01:12:21.000And it just doesn't work because the government's too big.
01:12:25.000Once you get the government involved, it becomes like a welfare program.
01:12:28.000You're just paying all kinds of people to work on the thing, but no one's doing the actual thing that they're supposed to work on, the healthcare.
01:12:37.000But my later stages in life, to get into this and to get into the American political I really get this feeling,
01:12:53.000and maybe we're going to get into it on this, but...
01:12:58.000When I was younger, and I was studying stuff, I always feel like I would love to go back to being in college, because when I was in college, I just wanted to get out.
01:13:07.000I wanted to get out and make money and stuff, and I just did everything to just get the fuck out.
01:13:11.000And now I'm like, if I could just read books and talk to people and then write about that, I'd fucking, where do I sign up?
01:13:26.000When I first came down to America, and I had been studying American politics...
01:13:31.000Bubba, Clinton, was a consensus politician, reduced the size of government, took the largest deficit of all time, turned the largest surplus of all time, and then Bush got in, turned the largest surplus of all time, largest deficit, increased the size of government.
01:13:51.000Before Trump, there's none more Reagan than me was the calling card of the GOP. Reagan was the best Yeah.
01:14:18.000One that's a two-party system, you're always in power.
01:14:21.000You're always in power or you're fucking trying to control the house.
01:14:23.000And you're like, is it all much ado about nothing?
01:14:27.000Is it all a political, like bread and puppet theater?
01:14:30.000It's like, this is super fucking important for you to watch over here to give you some sort of thinking that I have some agency that I can vote and it's going to fucking matter about anything.
01:14:40.000Whereas, what the fuck really changes on the big shit?
01:14:43.000Like, what the fuck really changes on the economy?
01:14:46.000What the fuck really changes for any of the shit that we're talking about?
01:14:48.000About school, about education, about big, like the other shit you talk about, which is fascinating, and it's great that you do it, about big pharma, big food, big education, military, industrial, what the fuck really changes in that?
01:15:52.000So whether it's the food companies or whether it's pharmaceutical drug companies, they're going to ignore as much as possible about the negatives of these products.
01:16:02.000And then you have a propaganda state where you have these people that are literally hired to say stories they know are not true because this will benefit the people that are their advertisers.
01:16:11.000And that's where you get fucking crazy.
01:16:13.000It's also how that model implodes, which is fascinating.
01:16:18.000So that model becomes less relevant, and the Michael Schellenbergers and the Matt Taibis of the world, then people start turning to them, the Glenn Greenwalds of the world.
01:16:26.000People say, well, these people are honest.
01:18:22.000And that's why I say, like, I like to take a look, like, okay, there's this whole fucking thing going on over here, where the status quo doesn't change.
01:18:28.000And I think you and I are like, look, that's what has to fucking change over there.
01:18:33.000This shit for me becomes, and it's funny, because this is like, I don't know what, I'm showing up myself, I don't know what this election is, 53, 54, something like that?
01:22:20.000I'd rather have the cabinet run something of professionals, people who are designed to do that, rather than one fucking person who's going to go, yes, no, yep, yep, that's great.
01:22:29.000They're the fucking queen of England, and they're supposed to be the queen of England.
01:23:31.000And he would walk down the street with his capos, and the FBI knew this, and so what they did was they put these little microphones on all the hubcaps so that they could record his conversation as he walked down the street.
01:23:46.000So as he's walking down the street, they were recording everything.
01:24:54.000Well, just recently they got the head of Hezbollah and then the second head and then the third head within like three or four days of each other.
01:25:03.000And then they're trying to get new guys and they're like, eh-eh.
01:25:46.000That's how you can use find your phone.
01:25:48.000I'm sure there's probably some hacks, but Eric Prince It has a new phone called the Unplugged Phone that's designed by the guy who created Pegasus, apparently.
01:25:58.000And it's like this untrackable phone that kind of constantly...
01:26:33.000And the thing that you see with the internet is as technology increases, people get more and more access to information, to ones and zeros, to data.
01:26:58.000By the way, you're talking about money.
01:27:02.000One of the most fascinating guys, I think you talked to him too.
01:27:05.000I went to Russia and I hung out with him at the Metropole, which is funny because famously every room is bugged because it was the only place they let foreigners stay in Moscow.
01:27:15.000And so we were at the Metropole, we got into surveillance, but he opened my phone and he was, as we were having the interview, just showing me how they can turn on the phone, how to take out this part and take out this camera and do this and do that.
01:27:29.000Just as he was talking about overall government surveillance of everybody, which, by the way, I don't think a lot of people know what he did.
01:27:36.000He said, look, the American government is illegally, illegally spying on its own people.
01:29:40.000Tort reform, that would be a good thing.
01:29:42.000So we got tort reform, we got education.
01:29:44.000But I think what we were talking about earlier with quantum computing and AI, I think we're all in real trouble.
01:29:49.000Because I think this society is going to be completely reimagined.
01:29:52.000And it probably will lean towards some sort of a more socialist existence because of necessity, because of this money thing.
01:30:01.000Because I just really don't know how you're going to accumulate real wealth if everything becomes digital.
01:30:07.000I think if everything becomes digital, AI, quantum computing, we're going to have real chaos.
01:30:13.000Well, the problem with quantum is it's going to be, okay, there's a whole new...
01:30:19.000So when the sort of West or the North or the rich countries or whatever leave everyone else behind, you know, monetarily, is when, you know...
01:30:30.000The last 20 years of digital expansion, and we just make trillion-dollar companies, and they're over here, and we make all that money in that economy, and then you go to like two-thirds of the world, and that shit hasn't even penetrated yet, right?
01:30:43.000So quantum computing is that on steroids, because it's like, oh, there's going to be a whole new economy, because all the other computers are fucking obsolete.
01:31:09.000And if you're just like, you know, rioting to get universal basic income raised up to $125,000 a year, that's what we're going to be dealing with.
01:31:17.000People are looking for incremental improvements in their life where they don't have any other way to make money.
01:31:39.000They're in real, real, real deep shit.
01:31:42.000That's what the strike was about, because I'm doing it with news myself.
01:31:45.000You can get, like, so when you do news, you get, like, you have news services, right?
01:31:49.000So you get a news service, you get a wire, comes in, and you go, oh, fuck, there's a, somebody fucking blew up the car.
01:31:54.000And you have a news team, so you send out shooters, and you send out a producer, and a fucking, hey, you know what I'm saying?
01:32:00.000And then he comes back, and I would say news should be called Olds, because you're just sitting there three days ago, something happened behind me.
01:33:00.000And then the real problem with that is, if AI is controlling the news, like, who's controlling AI? Like, what control?
01:33:07.000Are we going to get to a point where we say, you know, we're going to have to let sentient AI control information?
01:33:12.000And then we find out that sentient AI is withholding information from us because it doesn't think we're emotionally stable enough to process it, which we probably aren't.
01:33:20.000You know, if there's some sort of a civil turmoil that could happen because some information gets released?
01:33:26.000If you were AI now and we're looking at the shit we're doing, you'd say, yeah, these guys don't know what to fuck.
01:34:37.000And, you know, that's going to be the problem with AI is, like, there will be this thing of, like, people moving to building tables or making art or doing whatever.
01:34:46.000But there's going to be – this is why I think our kids are maybe okay.
01:34:49.000But, like, when you said what I worry about is the 40-year-olds sitting there who bought it all, went to high school, went to college, did all the shit.
01:34:56.000Got the fucking job or sitting there, you know, trying to climb the ladder, and that's all gonna go away.
01:35:13.000So that they don't lose their fucking house.
01:35:15.000Because if you start losing your house, if you Smith and Ricardo it and start losing your house, which is my long-winded thing to go, there has to be some sort of weird social thing about it.
01:35:24.000Because if you just let them fucking die off...
01:35:32.000The fear is rebellion, and I don't think that's necessary.
01:35:35.000I think clearly there's something happening to the human species that's technology-driven, and we're moving into a completely new way of existing.
01:35:43.000And it's going to be a tumultuous journey.
01:35:47.000The transformation, the process is going to be scary.
01:35:51.000It's going to be very fucking strange because it's going to be unprecedented in its impact and the speed of its impact.
01:36:51.000I guarantee there's some sort of government agency that's involved with, like, just distributing narratives and arguing against certain things.
01:37:00.000Also, if you go to Russia, they're like, yeah, you have the ruble.
01:37:07.000And you're like, okay, so if you're openly trying to fuck with us...
01:37:10.000And by the way, can you imagine, if the Chinese Communist Party is spreading propaganda that there's $28 Big Macs, Then what are they going to do when they have quantum computing?
01:41:15.000It's dark matter, dark energy, and there's now these things deep in the coal mines, and they have these baths of some gas, which they can see.
01:41:29.000And they have been this, like, now the fifth dimension, which is now leading to there's infinite fucking universes and infinite possibilities and infinite...
01:41:38.000So you're not crazy, because physics is now saying all of this shit is fucking probable.
01:41:46.000Two is, when I was talking to a very smart person, I'm not going to say anything because I don't get in any trouble, but they're like, look, interstellar travel isn't going to be you and I go on a fucking spaceship, right?
01:41:59.000It's going to be – there's – you download your brain into a computer.
01:42:04.000It goes via laser into another thing that's got a 3D printer of a human that resembles you or might not resemble you.
01:42:10.000And it goes and you download and that's how you go these vast distances in space.
01:42:42.000I think there is some sort of a life force that's inside of you that's not just your heart beating.
01:42:47.000I think there's a thing inside of people, and I think you recognize it when you're around people, and I think it's one of the most unique aspects of being a conscious creature, is that we think of ourselves as individuals, but we're really connected to some Great well of souls.
01:43:07.000Yeah, there's some thing that's going on where we're all in this together in some bizarre way that's, for some reason, very difficult for us to recognize in normal, regular life.
01:43:18.000It's hard for us to, like, you get these moments where you feel it, whether it's a psychedelic experience, a near-death experience, a profound love feeling.
01:44:02.000And it's distributing this consciousness through your unique biology and unique life experiences and where you live and who you're friends with and what you interact with on a daily basis, what kind of energy you get in, what kind of energy you put out.
01:44:14.000And it's all somehow or another bizarrely connected to the way the whole universe works, that it all works together as one unique, gigantic system.
01:44:22.000Yeah, religion, philosophy, also psychology.
01:44:26.000It all is like, yeah, there's one thing out there.
01:46:01.000The whole thing had no – there was no electronics.
01:46:04.000It somehow or another was connected to the minds of the pilots, and it had some sort of a reactor that had a stable form of element 115, which was just theoretical at the time.
01:46:15.000It wasn't even proven until they proved it with a particle collider in like the 2000s.
01:46:19.000So this guy was telling the story about how they have this element and they bombard this element with radiation and it makes this gravity propulsion device.
01:46:28.000So one of the things that he said was that they had a very thick book that was all information about religion and that this was one of the things that they had got from these alien inhabitants, that we are vessels, that they look at us as containers for souls.
01:46:44.000Well, that's a little duddy, but also, just think about this.
01:46:52.000That sounds crazy that we're vessels for souls, but imagine if the life force of a soul is a real thing that's limited to biological organisms, but then you create life that is not biological.
01:47:07.000And you create this thing that is this sentient life force that's digital, completely digital, but it doesn't have a life force.
01:47:16.000Now, imagine you bridge the gap with hybrids.
01:47:19.000So you have a thing that is part alive, part a biological organism, and part interconnected.
01:47:26.000And it needs to be, if it wants to continue to have creativity and desire and needs, And it actually has a task that it wants to accomplish.
01:47:38.000And that this has to be connected somehow or another to biology.
01:47:41.000And that if you want biology, you have to have a soul.
01:47:45.000It's interesting because I, speaking of kids, I believe that humanity is a grand evolutionary experiment because a lot of the things that happen to you are weird.
01:48:15.000Well, if this is what the universe does when it creates superior beings, it kind of makes sense that we have all the attributes that we have.
01:48:23.000It makes sense that we're territorial.
01:48:25.000It makes sense that we fight over resources.
01:48:26.000It makes sense that we're competitive.
01:48:28.000And it makes sense that we're inquisitive and that we constantly search for innovation.
01:48:32.000We want the newest, best stuff all the time.
01:51:14.000So it is either a top secret drone program that has a super sophisticated propulsion system that's far beyond anything that we're aware of today.
01:52:20.000There's probably an interdimensional aspect to it.
01:52:22.000There's probably some things that aren't even real that you're seeing, but they are real somewhere else, and you have a window to them.
01:52:28.000There's probably bizarre states of consciousness where a certain amount of psychedelic chemicals are released by your brain and a certain level of anxiety and a certain environment and circumstance where you have access to a frequency that's not normally available to you.
01:52:43.000And I think some people are having these kind of experiences, and they're calling them aliens.
01:52:47.000But I do think there's something going on with crafts.
01:52:52.000And the thing about these crafts is they existed way before there's any reasonable assumption that people had technology that could do those things.
01:53:01.000Like the Kenneth Arnold sightings from the 1950s are the best example.
01:53:36.000And you've got to imagine that if this is a long, slow process that every intelligent being goes through in the universe, that this is just like We look out, we see all these different planets that are in the Goldilocks zone.
01:53:51.000So we know that the kind of life that we have can exist in these planets.
01:53:56.000How many of them have people or things or some form of super intelligent organism?
01:54:25.000There's tons of examples of how we behave in those situations, and we're retarded.
01:54:30.000If you imagine something that's far more advanced than us, it would be much more sophisticated in its approach, probably would occasionally abduct people and study their biology, probably does have a way to erase memories, probably does leave people with significant trauma and confusion as to how this experience is real.
01:54:48.000How do you put it in the context of your normal day-to-day life?
01:54:55.000And then the rest of your life you're like freaked out that the walls are going to melt and all of a sudden you're going to be on a spaceship again.
01:55:00.000If that is real, like who fucking knows?
01:55:02.000And those people, imagine being one of those poor people that does get abducted by aliens and everybody thinks you're an idiot.
01:55:17.000Well, that's going to be a problem when people finally find out.
01:55:21.000They're going to be like, hold on a second now.
01:55:23.000It's going to be a real problem, and I think it's a slow trickle.
01:55:26.000So I think that that's what we're experiencing, and I think this is normal.
01:55:30.000I think there's deep denial in the 1960s, and there's also Operation Blue Book, which is a concerted effort to dismiss all the sightings as illegitimate and swamp gas.
01:55:39.000I mean, J. Allen Hynek, who ran that program, eventually, when he left the program, became a huge UFO believer, and then completely changed his tune and explained how he was told to debunk everything, but there was a bunch of things that he couldn't debunk.
01:57:46.000It's like if you live your life by the whim of people that are willing to complain openly about almost anything, you're going to live a terrible life.
01:57:57.000But I don't know how you could not be fascinated by congressional disclosures, whistleblowers talking about Programs that are beyond oversight that are retrieving crashed UFOs and back engineering them.
01:58:12.000And we've been doing this for decades.
01:58:13.000Because if they're telling the truth, either this is a spectacular lie or they're telling the truth.
01:58:18.000And if they're telling the truth, how the fuck are you not interested?
01:58:34.000But if you start talking about aliens or if you start talking about this or if you start talking about multidimensional whatever, it negates all the other stuff you're talking about.
01:59:37.000We still can't figure out exactly what that is.
01:59:40.000So what this is is quantum entangled photons.
01:59:45.000And the image that you're seeing of these quantum entangled photons is a yin and yang symbol.
01:59:50.000But we're trying to figure out, and this is where it gets like in the weed scientifically, is that what it looks like or did you make it look like that to represent these quantum entangled photons but the shape is arbitrary,
02:00:22.000Scientists have used first-of-its-kind technique to visualize two entangled light particles in real time, making them appear as a stunning quantum yin-yang signal.
02:00:32.000So we don't know if that's how it looks or if the scientists made it look that way.
02:00:44.000The new method, called bifoton digital holography, uses an ultra-high precision camera and can be used to massively speed up the future of quantum measurements.
02:01:31.000But just the fact that we know that quantum entangled particles are real, just the fact that we know this spooky action at a distance that Einstein talked about, the fact that we know that quantum Quantum particles can exist in a state of motion and still at the same time.
02:02:12.000So when I went out with Taylor Wilson and he was picking up fucking uranium and turning into a yellow cake, and he was just speaking to me, talking about someone who's interesting.
02:02:24.000And he's like, well, I mean, we all know that, like, uranium is like stars, you know, parts of stars that explode and, like, hit the Earth because they flew.
02:02:32.000And so we're just taking a star that landed on Earth and we're taking a piece of it and then we're releasing its power.
02:07:56.000But I... I start, it's like, basically I start out, it's like, they're long, they're like three-parters, and it starts out with something I'm fascinated by that's on social media.
02:08:05.000So, for example, that's the reason why I'm talking about this stuff, but like, you know, something can come up and there's memes and like the assassination attempt, and then there's conspiracy theories on both sides.
02:08:14.000And I'm like, everyone's interested in it.
02:09:01.000But I also want to go talk to the people who are, you know, putting stuff up and where they're getting their stuff and where they're getting their facts.
02:09:09.000And you can dig in on the high end and dig in on the low.
02:09:11.000What I've found is if you get into the creation of the meme and who's creating it, it sort of starts as a wide thing.
02:09:17.000And then it goes down into like some sort of...
02:09:20.000Like a philosophy or something bigger and then when you get to the people who are like for example with the assassination attempts it got pretty quickly into the deep state and I'm like well let's talk about the deep state because everyone bandies the word around but nobody fucking really knows what it is if you like want to get into clinical explanations.
02:09:37.000Or have real positive facts about what are the, like, you know, historical evidence that this exists and that they do this all the fucking time.
02:09:48.000And so I'm like, okay, let's chop it up and get into it.
02:09:51.000And that was, like, you know, super fun.
02:09:55.000And so I'm getting into all the stuff that I find interesting online and, you know, in social media and saying, let's just get into it.
02:10:34.000That we don't really know what people actually think and the problem with people is they don't really know what they actually think They know like what people like there's a large percentage I'm gonna just say men because these are the ones that bother me the most men who say things because they know that people want to hear them and Because they know it won't get them in trouble to say it and they don't necessarily believe it It could be about trans athletes.
02:11:40.000So when I did my dive into immigration...
02:11:43.000You're like, because the reason why I got into this, you see the gates opening up and people coming through and I'm like, hold on a second.
02:11:49.000I've been reporting on the border for, I don't know, 10 years.
02:11:51.000There's no fucking gate where people fucking run through the gate, right?
02:11:54.000And then you look into the thing and it's like, oh yeah, like that was before the border, it's after the border and they were trying to get to the border because what they try to do is like basically touch the fucking fence so that the border guards will then come so that they can get processed, right?
02:12:34.000But there's – on the other side, yes, it's true.
02:12:37.000So there's an immigration problem, a huge immigration problem, and there are bad people getting through, and there are cartels running things, and there are illegal people, and there are all this stuff.
02:12:45.000And by the way, the Republicans have a great message that they stay on.
02:12:49.000The Democrats don't have a response to that message, right?
02:12:52.000It's a political – Fucking quagmire.
02:12:56.000But I don't care about the political quagmire.
02:15:52.000And on this one, it literally depends on who you're talking to.
02:15:59.000Yeah, that's what's scary about today, is that it's hard to figure out, and depending upon what tribe you're a part of, if you're on the tribe of the right, you think one thing, you're on the tribe of the left.
02:16:11.000Even if you're tribeless, I'm sitting there going, okay, so they'll talk to them about something.
02:16:17.000When I was interviewing Obama at the end of his presidency, I was like, you know, what are your big, you know, all he wanted to talk about was the Republicans.
02:16:23.000He didn't want to talk about his presidency.
02:16:26.000So I went to go see Speaker Boehner because I was talking about Speaker Boehner, who, by the way, lovely guy, great guy, and he wanted to talk about his thing.
02:17:36.000The only reason to have no ID, the only reason to have no ID, and to push that, and it's only being pushed by the Democrats, there's only one reason that makes any logical sense.
02:17:44.000You want people to vote that probably shouldn't be voting so you can get some extra votes.
02:17:48.000That's the only thing that makes sense.
02:17:49.000So then if you have people like Nancy Pelosi who's openly talked about giving amnesty to the people that are already here, You have voters now.
02:17:56.000So you have voters in swing states that you brought into this country and you provided them an amazing life.
02:19:26.000You have to study, which I did, and I got 100% of my testing.
02:19:31.000I have a couple of friends of mine who are just coming here from England, and I had to do this visa thing for them, like give them a recommendation.
02:19:40.000Or you can get on that app and you can just come over.
02:19:44.000Look, I'm not going to get too into the app because I only did it through interviews, but the app is an actual thing that tracks the people who come into the country.
02:20:22.000People do and they sign up to it and then they come and they get processed and then they wait for the thing and blah blah blah.
02:20:27.000Well, it's the big argument on the debate between J.D. Vance and Tim Walz.
02:20:30.000And they tried to frame it as if this had existed for a long time, and that's when J.D. Vance had to step up and stop them and say, you said you weren't going to fact check, and that's not true.
02:20:55.000I know a girl, and she's 28 years old, and she came over here when she was a baby, and she's not an American citizen because her family's from Mexico.
02:22:49.000But what we really have to do is make sure we don't let in murderers.
02:22:52.000Fucking killers and rapists and thieves and gang members and a lot of them are getting through and That's what we have to be careful, but it's not just not letting people in sure I mean I bet we could sustain a lot more people in this country and I bet a lot of those people hard-working very Ambitious people that are excited to be here that they would love to be a part of the American experience They probably love to recognize as as Americans Yes.
02:23:19.000Immigration, as it's being run right now, is a fucking catastrophe.
02:23:22.000I think we can agree on that, and it has to be fixed.
02:23:25.000It has to be fixed, but the question is, they could have fixed that.
02:23:28.000But how do you fucking fix it if nobody, if it's become so political, and you can get into COVID on this exact same problem, it's become so political that there's no fucking root basis in truth, and people believe on one side this thing, and believe on the other side this thing, and fucking nobody's going to meet them in the middle.
02:25:00.000It's a gang, and it gives them purpose, because they don't have purpose in their life, which is why they're on Twitter 12 hours a day, because they're mentally ill.
02:28:07.000If you're smoking it all the time, you can get through it.
02:28:11.000But if you're just coming in going, Oh, I'm going to sit down with the fucking number one podcast in the world and get as stoned as I've ever been.
02:28:20.000The scariest thing is when you're talking and you don't know what you're talking about.
02:28:24.000You lose train and you're like, I have no idea what I'm talking about and I don't know what to come back to.
02:30:00.000You know, this is not like some heavily produced thing where there's an agenda and there's a script and a teleprompter and you're trying to pretend that you're being real but you're not being real.
02:30:13.000And so the more people you have involved in it, the more it's not going to feel right.
02:30:19.000My friend had a studio and he has a glass wall and the production staff is all working and walking around behind this glass wall and he sees them.
02:30:36.000The reason why it works is because the people at home, the people that have earpods on right now going on a jog, they're just as much in this room as you and I are.
02:31:23.000And I think once AI comes around, live performance is going to be one of the few ways that we're going to be able to connect with each other.
02:32:01.000I was driving around our studios in Van Nuys, and I was driving from Malibu to Van Nuys, and I'm like, if you drive through like, I don't know what that, that's why I said Tarzan, it's probably Tarzan.
02:32:11.000It literally hasn't changed a lot since 1924. Right.
02:32:15.000Like, it's like the same houses, same fucking...
02:32:18.000Like, okay, the cars are different, but there's cars.
02:32:42.000We both said, like, look, you can either be positivist about it and say, look, let's mold it to be like, great, I can fucking do something I love rather than work in a fucking factory.
02:32:51.000Fucking punching out, you know, tool and die fucking pieces.
02:32:55.000I can, you know, go do what my first love was or something that makes me feel filled with joy.
02:33:00.000Or we can become fucking autobots who are crying because fucking online AI-driven girlfriend dumped me.
02:33:07.000Well, the thing is, also, today, there's these kind of conversations that are out there that put these thoughts into people's minds and inspire them to do something that didn't exist when we were young.
02:33:16.000There wasn't these kind of conversations that could really light up the fires of your creativity and your ambition.
02:33:40.000And as you were struggling, if you got outside the lines and you were taking a chance, as you're struggling, people were praying for you to fall.