The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2219 - Donald Trump

00:00:11.000 All right, we're rolling.

00:00:13.000 Good to see you, sir.

00:00:14.000 Let's go.

00:00:15.000 Here we go.

00:00:17.000 One of the things I wanted to talk to you about, I wanted to play this, but we decided we shouldn't play it because it could get copyright strike and we don't want to get the episode, we don't want anybody to have any sort of way to get it down.

00:00:30.000 But it was the episode of you when you're on The View, and I think it was 2015 or 2016, like when you were running for president.

00:00:41.000 You got introduced as our friend Donald Trump.

00:00:45.000 Whoopi Goldberg gives you a big hug and a kiss.

00:00:48.000 Joy Behar gives you a big hug.

00:00:51.000 Barbara Walters gives you a big hug.

00:00:53.000 They all loved you.

00:00:54.000 They were all talking about how you might be...

00:01:00.000 You might be conservative in your financial positions, but you're very liberal socially.

00:01:06.000 They're talking about you in such a favorable light.

00:01:09.000 The audience was cheering.

00:01:12.000 And then you actually started winning in the polls and then the machine started working towards you.

00:01:18.000 Yeah.

00:01:19.000 But there's probably no one in history that I've ever seen that's been attacked the way you've been attacked and the way they've done it so coordinated and systematically.

00:01:31.000 And when you see those same people in the past, very favorable to you, like Oprah, when you were on Oprah's show, she was encouraging you to be president.

00:01:38.000 Last week I did one of her last shows, I think, Maybe Thursday or Friday, that was a big deal, being on Oprah's show, the last one.

00:01:45.000 And I was like one of the last shows in that final week.

00:01:49.000 And I said, boy, we've come a long way since that.

00:01:53.000 What was it like?

00:01:55.000 Well, the concept, it was really like two different lives.

00:01:58.000 You know, I had a very wonderful life, but I wanted to do this.

00:02:02.000 The Apprentice was still going very strong.

00:02:04.000 We had 12 seasons.

00:02:06.000 And we had actually 14 seasons, 12 years.

00:02:10.000 They had a couple of them.

00:02:11.000 Well, they canceled The Apprentice when you were running for president, correct?

00:02:14.000 No, they had Arnold Schwarzenegger do it.

00:02:16.000 I was involved in that, and I had enough of it, and we did great.

00:02:21.000 It was doing great, but they wanted me to stay.

00:02:24.000 They all came to see me.

00:02:25.000 They said, we're going to give you a contract.

00:02:27.000 They wanted to extend my contract.

00:02:29.000 Mark Burnett is a great guy.

00:02:31.000 And they wanted to extend the contract. 0.96

00:02:32.000 Mark said, you're crazy. 0.97

00:02:33.000 Don't run. 1.00

00:02:34.000 Don't run.

00:02:35.000 Nobody gives up prime time, they said.

00:02:37.000 You know, it's one of those little things, which is probably true.

00:02:41.000 Nobody gives up prime time, though, for being president?

00:02:43.000 Well, for running against 20-some-odd people.

00:02:47.000 It turned out to be 18. 18 professional people, you know, mostly politicians.

00:02:51.000 They said, who would do this?

00:02:53.000 I mean, it's a long shot.

00:02:54.000 Actually, the heads of NBC came over.

00:02:57.000 Paul Talegny, all the top people came over to see me, try and talk me out of it because they wanted to have me extend.

00:03:03.000 The Apprentice was doing well.

00:03:05.000 So it was 14 seasons.

00:03:06.000 It was 12 years.

00:03:08.000 We had one, two seasons where we had a double.

00:03:10.000 Which rarely happens.

00:03:12.000 It was just a hot show.

00:03:13.000 And I said, you know, I want to do this.

00:03:16.000 What happened is previously, like three years, four years before that, they did a poll.

00:03:22.000 They had Mitt Romney, and somehow they put me in a poll, and I blew everybody away.

00:03:27.000 I blew him away, which isn't that hard, frankly.

00:03:29.000 But I blew everybody away, and I said, that's interesting, because I never really gave it that much real thought.

00:03:35.000 I thought about it, but never real thought.

00:03:36.000 But I saw these polls were very good.

00:03:38.000 And so I was thinking about doing it then, but I had a contract with The Apprentice, plus I was building two big buildings at the time, and I wanted to make sure they got finished up properly, and it was one of those things.

00:03:48.000 The kids were just sort of getting involved.

00:03:50.000 They're very capable kids, but they were getting involved early on.

00:03:53.000 So I did that.

00:03:54.000 I got them done.

00:03:55.000 I had some very good successes.

00:03:57.000 And I came on and then I thought about it for the next one after the Romney disaster.

00:04:03.000 And I ran and I won against Hillary. 0.88

00:04:06.000 And it was quite an experience.

00:04:08.000 But it was a different life because, you're right, The View.

00:04:11.000 I was on The View many, many times.

00:04:13.000 And they loved me.

00:04:15.000 Just the way people would talk.

00:04:17.000 I mean, even if people had criticisms about you, people that didn't like you, there was always feuds and stuff like that.

00:04:21.000 But the reality was the thing turned on you when they found out that you were going to be president.

00:04:27.000 It was very coordinated.

00:04:28.000 And some people are catching on to that now.

00:04:31.000 There's a lot of people that were longtime Democrats like Elon and Bill Ackman and all these different, very intelligent people.

00:04:38.000 And they support me now.

00:04:39.000 Bill Ackman supports me.

00:04:40.000 He's been very supportive, too.

00:04:42.000 This is what I wanted to ask you.

00:04:43.000 What was it like when you actually got in?

00:04:47.000 Because nobody really can prepare you for that.

00:04:49.000 When you're running for president, you don't really know what it's going to be like when you actually get into office.

00:04:54.000 What did you think it was going to be like?

00:04:56.000 So do you mean in office or when I decided to run?

00:04:58.000 No, when you got in.

00:05:00.000 So when I was in and won and was in the White House, essentially.

00:05:04.000 Yes.

00:05:05.000 Well, first of all, it was very surreal.

00:05:08.000 It's very interesting.

00:05:09.000 When I got shot, it wasn't surreal.

00:05:11.000 That should have been surreal.

00:05:12.000 When I was laying on the ground, I knew exactly what was going on.

00:05:15.000 I knew exactly where I was hit.

00:05:17.000 They were saying you were hit all over the place because there was so much blood from the ear.

00:05:21.000 You would know that better than anyone.

00:05:23.000 When they get the ear torn up.

00:05:24.000 Ears bleed a lot.

00:05:26.000 Anyway, and I was thinking the other day, When that happened, I really knew where I was.

00:05:33.000 I knew exactly what happened.

00:05:35.000 I said I wasn't hit anywhere.

00:05:36.000 With the presidency, it was a very surreal experience, okay?

00:05:42.000 And what's day one like?

00:05:43.000 You win, you get inaugurated. 0.99

00:05:46.000 Holy shit, I'm the president. 1.00

00:05:47.000 Yeah, that's what happened. 1.00

00:05:48.000 So I'm driving down Pennsylvania Avenue.

00:05:50.000 I just built a building on Pennsylvania.

00:05:52.000 You know, the hotel, the old post office it was.

00:05:55.000 We called it Trump National...

00:05:58.000 And we sold it to the Waldorf Astoria.

00:06:01.000 And it was a wonderful thing.

00:06:03.000 But I'm driving down, I'm passing the hotel.

00:06:05.000 You've never seen so many motorcycles, police, military.

00:06:10.000 You know, it was a major thing.

00:06:12.000 I got off really the first time I used Air Force One, landed.

00:06:17.000 And we're coming down and it was very beautiful.

00:06:20.000 I mean, it was incredible.

00:06:22.000 And we're going down Pennsylvania Avenue in the opposite direction.

00:06:25.000 You know, normally you're used to going one way and all of a sudden you're going the other way.

00:06:29.000 The street was loaded up.

00:06:31.000 And I wanted to go out and I wanted to wave to everybody, but that wasn't smart.

00:06:37.000 You know, the kid's a little bit dangerous, right?

00:06:40.000 When you watch, like, Kennedy and some others, right?

00:06:43.000 But I really felt, I don't know, the love was so crazy.

00:06:46.000 And so I did get out of the car for a brief, you know, just for a very short walk.

00:06:51.000 I thought it was very important to do.

00:06:53.000 And Melania got out with her beautiful dress on that became... 0.99

00:06:56.000 Sort of a staple.

00:06:58.000 People loved it and barren. 1.00

00:07:00.000 And we're walking down the street.

00:07:03.000 But where it really got amazing, we get to the White House.

00:07:07.000 And now it's a little bit before dark.

00:07:11.000 Beautiful.

00:07:12.000 And we went up to the president's quarters.

00:07:16.000 They call them the presidential quarters.

00:07:18.000 And I'm standing in this beautiful hallway.

00:07:22.000 You know, it's funny, nobody ever talks about the White House as being beautiful inside.

00:07:26.000 You know, you think it's gonna be, everything's gonna be all metal doors and stuff.

00:07:29.000 It's not.

00:07:31.000 It's so beautiful.

00:07:32.000 I made my money largely on luxury.

00:07:35.000 The hallway is like 25 feet wide.

00:07:38.000 The ceiling heights are, you know, every, it's so beautiful.

00:07:41.000 But I was standing there and I said to the guys, I want to see the Lincoln bedroom.

00:07:46.000 I had never seen the Lincoln bedroom.

00:07:47.000 I'd heard about the Lincoln bedroom.

00:07:50.000 And I was standing with my wife.

00:07:52.000 I said, do you believe it?

00:07:54.000 This is the Lincoln bedroom.

00:07:56.000 I mean, it was like, it was amazing.

00:08:01.000 Because it's, look, if you love the country, but here you are, the Lincoln bedroom.

00:08:07.000 And the bed, you know, he was very tall.

00:08:09.000 He was 6'6", which then would be like Barron.

00:08:12.000 It would be like Barron Trump.

00:08:14.000 He's 6'9".

00:08:16.000 But 6'6", he was very tall.

00:08:18.000 Then on top of that, he wore that.

00:08:20.000 Yeah, there it is.

00:08:21.000 It's a long bed, elongated bed.

00:08:23.000 And because very, you know, people were shorter than you see some of the chairs are very, very low to the ground, actually.

00:08:31.000 But he had the long bed.

00:08:32.000 And they had you had the Gettysburg Address right on that right under that you can't see it here.

00:08:39.000 But right there, the original version of the Gettysburg Address.

00:08:43.000 And this is the original, and I'm looking and I just looked around and I said, do you believe this?

00:08:49.000 Because I was never a politician.

00:08:51.000 First of all, even if you were a politician, but I was never a politician.

00:08:54.000 I sort of just started, right?

00:08:56.000 And all of a sudden I'm standing in the White House.

00:08:58.000 And it was very, very surreal.

00:09:01.000 That room was so beautiful to me.

00:09:03.000 Much more beautiful than it actually is.

00:09:05.000 You know, to me, when I looked at the bed, and the bed you could see was a little bit longer, had to be a little bit longer.

00:09:11.000 He lost his son and they suffered.

00:09:14.000 The two of them suffered from melancholia.

00:09:16.000 They didn't call it depression.

00:09:18.000 They called it melancholia and they suffered from it.

00:09:22.000 He was a very depressed guy and she was a very depressed woman, more so than him.

00:09:28.000 And on top of that, they lost their son, whose name was Tad.

00:09:33.000 And it was just seeing it in the little pictures, a little tiny picture.

00:09:39.000 I mean, you can't see the details there.

00:09:41.000 A little tiny, everything the way it was.

00:09:43.000 A little tiny picture of Tad.

00:09:45.000 Who he lost.

00:09:47.000 And it was devastating.

00:09:50.000 And he was, you know, he was, look, he was in a war.

00:09:54.000 And he was having a hard time because he couldn't beat Robert E. Lee.

00:09:57.000 Robert E. Lee won like 13 battles in a row.

00:10:00.000 And he was getting like a phobia, like a fighter.

00:10:03.000 You know a lot about the fight stuff.

00:10:05.000 But like I went to a UFC fight and it was a champion who was 14 and 1 about a year ago.

00:10:14.000 You would know the names.

00:10:16.000 14 and 1. And the only guy he lost to was this one guy.

00:10:19.000 But the guy that he was fighting was like almost just an average fighter.

00:10:24.000 He lost numerous times, but he beat this one guy.

00:10:27.000 So I said, okay.

00:10:28.000 I really don't know who you're talking about.

00:10:29.000 I will figure it out.

00:10:31.000 Okay.

00:10:31.000 But about a year ago.

00:10:32.000 But the point is that he lost.

00:10:34.000 He wasn't nearly the fighter.

00:10:36.000 But the one who was not nearly the fighter had beaten.

00:10:40.000 He's the only guy that beat the champ like five years before.

00:10:44.000 And I said, I'll take the guy that won the other fight.

00:10:47.000 And that's what happened.

00:10:48.000 He beat him a second time.

00:10:49.000 Sometimes psychological advantages.

00:10:51.000 Yeah, what is this crazy thing?

00:10:53.000 Lincoln had a...

00:10:55.000 I don't know.

00:10:55.000 I've never read this.

00:10:56.000 I heard it from people in the White House who really understand what was going on with...

00:11:03.000 With the whole life of the White House.

00:11:04.000 But Lincoln had the yips in a way, as the golfers would say.

00:11:09.000 He had a phobia about Robert E. Lee.

00:11:12.000 He said, I can't beat Robert E. Lee because Robert E. Lee won many battles in a row.

00:11:16.000 He was just beating the hell out of him.

00:11:18.000 You know, they tried to get Robert E. Lee to be on the North, but he said, no, I have to be with my state.

00:11:23.000 You know, the state was his whole thing, and he went to the South.

00:11:27.000 And he was—I've had generals tell me—we have some great generals, the real generals, not the ones you see on television, the ones that beat ISIS with me.

00:11:35.000 We defeated ISIS in record time.

00:11:38.000 It was supposed to take years, and we did it in a matter of weeks.

00:11:41.000 These are great generals.

00:11:43.000 These are tough guys.

00:11:43.000 These are not woke guys.

00:11:45.000 But their favorite general in terms of genius was Robert E. Lee.

00:11:50.000 In terms of strategy?

00:11:52.000 Strategically.

00:11:53.000 He took a war that should have been over in a few days— And it was, you know, years of hell, of vicious war.

00:12:01.000 And so here I am standing there.

00:12:06.000 And again, I had never really done this before.

00:12:09.000 You know, I ran.

00:12:09.000 I ran a number of months before I won.

00:12:12.000 I probably, I guess if you figure max it out, it would be a year, something like that.

00:12:19.000 So I had never run for office.

00:12:22.000 And I did well.

00:12:23.000 I mean, I went into debates.

00:12:25.000 We had 18 people, including me, and then slowly but surely they started to disappear.

00:12:30.000 We had debates, good debates.

00:12:32.000 Everyone's aware of all this stuff.

00:12:33.000 What I want to get to is, like, what was the experience once you got inside?

00:12:37.000 What did you think it was going to be like in terms of, like, your ability to govern?

00:12:41.000 Like, this is your first experience governing anything.

00:12:43.000 You've never been a governor.

00:12:45.000 You've never been a mayor.

00:12:46.000 Private stuff.

00:12:48.000 Business.

00:12:48.000 But now all of a sudden, you're inside the White House.

00:12:51.000 The biggest thing was just that first moment of being in this hallowed, it was really a hallowed place to me.

00:12:57.000 Surreal.

00:12:58.000 To me, that was the experience.

00:13:00.000 It was a surreal experience.

00:13:01.000 And then, with time, that wears off.

00:13:05.000 With time, it becomes, you know, your place where you stay.

00:13:08.000 Right.

00:13:09.000 I was doing a lot of, I had two things that I really focused on, governing the country and survival.

00:13:19.000 Because from the moment I won, before I got to office, all of a sudden, I mean, they came down.

00:13:26.000 I mean, nobody has ever been treated that way.

00:13:29.000 And you see that.

00:13:31.000 I mean, you see where in the Washington Post very early on, they said, well, now the impeachment stuff starts.

00:13:35.000 And it did.

00:13:36.000 I mean, it literally started from the beginning.

00:13:38.000 So I had survival and run the nation.

00:13:40.000 I had a combination.

00:13:41.000 Most people don't have the survival.

00:13:43.000 They get in.

00:13:45.000 What did you expect, though, in terms of, like, once you got inside, you had to appoint all these people?

00:13:51.000 How many appointments did you have to make?

00:13:52.000 Well, you have actually 10,000 appointments.

00:13:56.000 Now, they're different.

00:13:57.000 You have big ones, and then they appoint 100 people and 200 people.

00:14:02.000 But the president really is involved with approximately 10,000 appointments.

00:14:06.000 So you'll appoint a secretary of state and he or she will appoint a lot of people.

00:14:11.000 So it's a lot.

00:14:12.000 But in terms of major ones, you probably have like a hundred, but they're big ones.

00:14:18.000 Treasury, state.

00:14:20.000 And how did you know who to appoint?

00:14:24.000 Well, I didn't.

00:14:25.000 I had no experience.

00:14:26.000 I was there 17 times in Washington, and I never stayed over.

00:14:31.000 According to the press, which I think is probably right, over the years, I was only there 17 times.

00:14:36.000 I never stayed over.

00:14:37.000 So now I'm sitting there, I'm saying, this place is gorgeous, but you know, I don't know anybody.

00:14:43.000 It's like you.

00:14:44.000 You know, you go to certain areas and other areas, they may be great.

00:14:48.000 Washington was great.

00:14:49.000 Washington's not so great right now.

00:14:51.000 We gotta fix it.

00:14:52.000 We gotta make it better.

00:14:53.000 A very dangerous place, very badly maintained place.

00:14:56.000 We're gonna make it great.

00:14:58.000 We're gonna make it better.

00:14:59.000 We're gonna bring it back.

00:15:00.000 But I wasn't a Washington guy.

00:15:02.000 I was a New York guy.

00:15:03.000 I was a New York builder and I built buildings in New York and I knew that whole world, but I didn't know the Washington world too well.

00:15:10.000 And all of a sudden you're supposed to be appointing top people.

00:15:13.000 What did you think it was going to be like?

00:15:15.000 Did you have any ideas of what it was going to be like and what was different?

00:15:19.000 Well, I was always involved in politics, but usually from the standpoint of a donor.

00:15:23.000 I was a donor.

00:15:24.000 You know, I was a big donor.

00:15:25.000 I gave money to politicians.

00:15:27.000 I enjoyed politics.

00:15:28.000 Mostly Democrats, right?

00:15:30.000 Both, really.

00:15:31.000 Pretty much both.

00:15:32.000 I have actually pictures of Ronald Reagan and me when I was very young.

00:15:35.000 But you were a Democrat until like what year?

00:15:37.000 I was a Democrat.

00:15:40.000 I could get you the exact—but the early 90s, the early 90s, I switched over eventually.

00:15:47.000 Actually, they had a reform party.

00:15:49.000 I was thinking about doing that for a little while, but then fortunately I didn't because it's very hard.

00:15:54.000 You know, it's a two-party system.

00:15:56.000 And anytime you hear third party, I know you like RFK Jr. and so do I. He's a fantastic guy.

00:16:01.000 I do, but I thought that being an independent was nonsense.

00:16:03.000 It doesn't work.

00:16:04.000 It doesn't work because even if you do great, you're not going to get Congress.

00:16:08.000 In other words, you need now to say, okay, now I'll get half of Congress that's never going to vote for you.

00:16:13.000 So even if you got there, which is very hard...

00:16:17.000 And I know how you feel about Bobby, and I feel the same way, and he's now with us, but it's pure and simple.

00:16:24.000 It's a two-party system.

00:16:26.000 And somebody, I won't mention his name, but somebody spent $250 million trying to get the nomination as a Reform Party candidate or whatever, and they got just nowhere.

00:16:36.000 You just get eaten.

00:16:38.000 The system eats you alive.

00:16:40.000 So it was really somebody that not only was new to Washington but was new to politics.

00:16:51.000 In the office of the presidency, over the years, all those presidents, you've had 92% were politicians and 8% were generals.

00:17:03.000 General Eisenhower, General Washington, right?

00:17:05.000 General George Washington, you had generals.

00:17:07.000 So it's 8% generals, no admirals, 8% generals.

00:17:11.000 And 92% politicians.

00:17:13.000 You know, they're politicians and they go on.

00:17:15.000 So they never had a business guy or they never had a guy that wasn't elected to an office.

00:17:20.000 They were all, like Ronald Reagan was really, he was a movie actor, but he became the governor of California for decades.

00:17:26.000 I think two terms and then he ran.

00:17:29.000 So you'd never had a thing like this.

00:17:31.000 But in terms of me, sometimes I'd use it as an excuse and I don't like having excuses actually but I'd use it as an excuse.

00:17:41.000 I had to rely on people that I respected or liked but that I didn't know that well because I didn't know them that well.

00:17:48.000 Some of those people I campaigned against because when you have 18 people, we had mostly politicians running in the election, running in the primaries.

00:17:57.000 And they got knocked out one by one.

00:17:58.000 But I got to like some of them.

00:18:00.000 Some of them I didn't like at all.

00:18:02.000 I don't like them now.

00:18:03.000 And I'd rely on them and I'd rely on other people.

00:18:06.000 So all of a sudden – People would come in, I'd like to recommend so-and-so to be Secretary of State, and I'd have three, four people recommend.

00:18:14.000 One thing I can tell you, everybody wants the position.

00:18:17.000 Of course.

00:18:17.000 No, no, but sometimes they'll hear, a lot of people don't want to work with Trump because Trump is tough to work with, etc.

00:18:23.000 Let me tell you.

00:18:24.000 Everybody wants to be in any one of these positions.

00:18:27.000 They'd die for it.

00:18:28.000 Now, they don't want to be known.

00:18:29.000 I mean, there's a particular guy in New York, primarily, very big, very successful, very strong, very political, although he's not a politician.

00:18:43.000 He'd give anything to be Secretary of State, but if they ask him, no, I don't think I would do it, but in the meantime, begging for it, okay?

00:18:51.000 Begging.

00:18:52.000 I believe you.

00:18:53.000 Look, everybody wants it.

00:18:54.000 By the way, no matter what you do, but it's very dangerous to pick somebody outside of a politician because a politician's been basically vetted for years.

00:19:04.000 You pick a business guy, And they've never been vetted at all and they're, you know, the head of a big company or something, but they've never been vetted.

00:19:12.000 You know nothing about his personal life.

00:19:14.000 You know nothing about where he's been.

00:19:15.000 When you put them in, it's a little bit dangerous because all of a sudden they get checked up and you hear things that you say, wow, this is not going to work out too well.

00:19:24.000 So it's very dangerous.

00:19:25.000 Picking people that are outside of politics is somewhat dangerous.

00:19:30.000 So you're kind of stuck in a position where you have to pick established people.

00:19:33.000 And then the problem with established people is established people are already indoctrinated into the system.

00:19:38.000 And they're stiffs in many cases.

00:19:40.000 They're survivors.

00:19:41.000 I find that, you know...

00:19:44.000 What do you mean by stiffs?

00:19:45.000 When you say stiffs...

00:19:45.000 Stiff, they don't have nothing.

00:19:47.000 They have nothing.

00:19:48.000 Or...

00:19:50.000 They're smart and survival.

00:19:51.000 One little thing.

00:19:52.000 So there was a congressman years before I ran, and I was very close to him.

00:19:57.000 And I needed a license on something, and he was very important in getting the license.

00:20:01.000 But it was a little bit controversial, this particular thing that was being licensed.

00:20:06.000 But I was close to this guy.

00:20:09.000 And helped him and everything else.

00:20:10.000 And I went to him, I said, I'd like to have you help.

00:20:13.000 And he said, let me take a look at it.

00:20:16.000 I said, oh, that's not too good.

00:20:19.000 But I really hope you can help.

00:20:21.000 Anyway, he tapped me along for a long period of time and ultimately didn't do it. 0.77

00:20:24.000 And I said, you are a stiff.

00:20:26.000 You could have done this thing so easy, etc.

00:20:28.000 But it was controversial.

00:20:30.000 He was in Congress for many years, like 28 years.

00:20:33.000 And, you know, there's a reason when somebody's there for 28 years, you've got to be sort of smart.

00:20:37.000 You know, you have all the scandals.

00:20:39.000 And I realized he was a survivor.

00:20:41.000 And so they never do anything controversial.

00:20:44.000 They never take any chances or speak their opinion.

00:20:46.000 It's outside of the...

00:20:47.000 Yeah.

00:20:49.000 And yet I don't disrespect him for it.

00:20:50.000 I actually respected the guy more in a certain way.

00:20:53.000 Because he did survive.

00:20:54.000 You know what?

00:20:54.000 He's been there like for 28 years and he made it through.

00:20:59.000 A lot of people don't make it through.

00:21:00.000 It's a good way for non-exceptional people to survive.

00:21:02.000 Well, it is.

00:21:04.000 It certainly is.

00:21:05.000 So you're in there.

00:21:07.000 You have 10,000 appointments you have to make.

00:21:09.000 So you're getting advice from people.

00:21:11.000 And at one point in time, did you have a moment in time where you realized, like, these are bad choices?

00:21:18.000 Like, some of these people I shouldn't have had in there.

00:21:19.000 Oh, yeah.

00:21:20.000 I think...

00:21:20.000 So the one question that you'll ask me, that I think you'll ask me, that people seem to ask, and I always come up with the same answer.

00:21:30.000 The one mistake, because I had a lot of success.

00:21:33.000 Great economy, great everything.

00:21:35.000 Everything was great.

00:21:36.000 The military rebuilt it, biggest tax cuts in history, all this stuff.

00:21:41.000 We had a great presidency.

00:21:44.000 Three Supreme Court justices.

00:21:45.000 Most people get none.

00:21:46.000 You know, you pick them young.

00:21:48.000 This way they're there for 50 years, right?

00:21:50.000 So, you know, even if a president is there for eight years, oftentimes they never have a chance.

00:21:55.000 I had three.

00:21:56.000 It was sort of the luck of the draw.

00:21:58.000 But I will say that it always comes back to the same answer.

00:22:04.000 The biggest mistake I made was I picked some people.

00:22:06.000 I picked some great people, you know.

00:22:08.000 But you don't think about that.

00:22:10.000 I picked some people that I shouldn't have picked.

00:22:13.000 I picked a few people that I shouldn't have picked.

00:22:17.000 Neocons?

00:22:18.000 Yeah, neocons.

00:22:20.000 Or bad people.

00:22:20.000 Or disloyal people.

00:22:22.000 Or people that were just bad.

00:22:25.000 Because you got bad advice.

00:22:26.000 Yeah.

00:22:26.000 I mean, look.

00:22:27.000 I mean, you're reading about them a little bit today. 0.99

00:22:29.000 A guy like Kelly, who was a bully, a bully but a weak person.

00:22:33.000 You know more about bullies than anybody probably around because you deal in a certain sport where the bullies are exposed very quickly. 0.98

00:22:40.000 But you know, he's bad. 1.00

00:22:43.000 Bolton was an idiot, but he was great for me because I'd go in with a guy like a John Bolton. 1.00

00:22:49.000 You know John Bolton. 1.00

00:22:50.000 A friend of mine called me up.

00:22:52.000 I was picking Bolton.

00:22:53.000 He's a Very smart guy.

00:22:54.000 His name is Phil Ruffin.

00:22:55.000 He's a very rich guy from Las Vegas.

00:22:58.000 He's a great card player.

00:23:00.000 He doesn't play cards, but he's a great player.

00:23:01.000 You know, he's just a natural – got poker sense, right?

00:23:05.000 You know, good old poker sense.

00:23:07.000 And Phil Ruffin is a very, very wise kind of a guy.

00:23:11.000 And one of the richest people around and has had great success and understands people.

00:23:18.000 So it was in that I was picking Bolton or I picked Bolton.

00:23:22.000 He called up.

00:23:23.000 He said, don't pick him.

00:23:24.000 He's a bad guy.

00:23:26.000 Now, he wasn't in politics at all.

00:23:27.000 He's in various businesses.

00:23:30.000 He said, he's a bad guy.

00:23:33.000 It always works out bad with that guy.

00:23:37.000 I said, oh man, I wish you told me this two weeks ago.

00:23:39.000 I already hired him.

00:23:40.000 You know, he's here.

00:23:42.000 And he was right.

00:23:43.000 But he was good in a certain way. 1.00

00:23:46.000 He's a nut job. 0.95

00:23:48.000 And every time I had to deal with a country, when they saw this whack job standing behind me, they said, oh man, Trump's going to go to war with us. 1.00

00:23:58.000 He was with Bush when they went stupidly into the Middle East. 0.96

00:24:01.000 They should have never done it. 0.99

00:24:02.000 I used to say it as a civilian.

00:24:04.000 So I always got more publicity than other people.

00:24:08.000 And it wasn't like I was trying.

00:24:10.000 In fact, I don't know exactly why.

00:24:13.000 Maybe you can tell me why.

00:24:14.000 Oh, I can definitely tell you. 1.00

00:24:15.000 You said a lot of wild shit. 1.00

00:24:17.000 Maybe. 1.00

00:24:18.000 He said a lot of wild shit and then CNN in all their brilliance by highlighting your wild shit made you much more popular. 1.00

00:24:26.000 And they boost you in the polls because people were tired of someone talking in this bullshit pre-prepared politician lingo. 1.00

00:24:36.000 And even if they didn't agree with you, they at least knew whoever that guy is, that's him. 0.97

00:24:40.000 That's really him.

00:24:41.000 When you see certain people talk, certain people in the public eye, you don't know who they are.

00:24:46.000 You have no idea who they are.

00:24:48.000 It's very difficult.

00:24:49.000 You see them in conversations.

00:24:51.000 They have these pre-planned answers.

00:24:52.000 They say everything.

00:24:53.000 It's very rehearsed.

00:24:55.000 You never get to the meat of it.

00:24:57.000 One of the beautiful things about you is that you freeball.

00:25:01.000 You get out and you do these huge events and you're just talking.

00:25:05.000 We've highlighted you on the show many times when you did this Biden impression where he's walking around and he doesn't know what he's doing.

00:25:10.000 It's funny.

00:25:10.000 It's stand-up.

00:25:11.000 It's funny stuff.

00:25:12.000 But it's like you and you were making fun of Elon one time.

00:25:16.000 You were doing an Elon impression.

00:25:17.000 It's great.

00:25:18.000 You have comedic instincts.

00:25:20.000 Like when you said to Hillary, you'd be in jail.

00:25:23.000 That's great timing.

00:25:25.000 But it's like that kind of stuff was unheard of as a politician.

00:25:29.000 Like, no one had done that.

00:25:31.000 And I think...

00:25:32.000 You know, it's funny.

00:25:32.000 You need at least the attitude of a comedian when you're doing this business.

00:25:38.000 This is a very dangerous business, first of all.

00:25:40.000 It's a very tough business.

00:25:41.000 It's the most dangerous business.

00:25:43.000 Well, for a job?

00:25:44.000 Yes.

00:25:45.000 I mean, other than going to war and being a firefighter or being a cop, it's the most dangerous business.

00:25:50.000 It's the most dangerous.

00:25:51.000 Being president is the most dangerous.

00:25:53.000 Especially you.

00:25:54.000 I mean, you haven't even got to the election.

00:25:57.000 There's been two assassination attempts.

00:25:58.000 And they've brushed those out of the news like it was nothing.

00:26:02.000 Yeah, they'd rather not talk about them.

00:26:03.000 Imagine if there was assassination attempts on Biden, how hard people would be attacking the right, how they would be trying to get guns taken away from people, they would try to ramp up gun laws, they would try to figure out some way to blame you.

00:26:16.000 If there was attacks on Biden, if Biden got shot in the ear, we would have never heard the end of it.

00:26:21.000 But I think he's in good shape because it's only consequential presidents.

00:26:25.000 If you take a look at what's happened, look, I'm for having countries pay us billions and billions and trillions even dollars.

00:26:33.000 I took in hundreds of billions of dollars from China.

00:26:35.000 Nobody took in 10 cents, not one other president.

00:26:38.000 I do things that make it...

00:26:40.000 I mean, that don't necessarily make me so popular.

00:26:43.000 I just do what's right.

00:26:45.000 And when you do that, you know, you're more...

00:26:47.000 Look at Iran. 0.99

00:26:48.000 We would have never had the attack on Israel at all.

00:26:51.000 Iran was broke.

00:26:52.000 I told China, if you buy, you can't do business in the United States under any... 0.99

00:26:57.000 We're going to go cold turkey with China. 1.00

00:27:00.000 Some people think that would have been a good idea anyway.

00:27:02.000 But if you buy any oil, one barrel of oil from them, you're not doing business.

00:27:06.000 I said that to many countries.

00:27:08.000 Iran was broke.

00:27:09.000 They had no money for Hezbollah. 0.78

00:27:10.000 They had no money for Hamas. 0.59

00:27:13.000 But I make myself, you know, I mean, I understand what I'm doing.

00:27:17.000 You make yourself a target.

00:27:20.000 And it's a very dangerous business.

00:27:22.000 But if you just look at statistically, so I said, I sort of think, I don't know if it's right, but one-tenth of one percent for a race car driver.

00:27:30.000 Yeah, it's a pretty dangerous business, right?

00:27:33.000 One-tenth of one percent For a bull rider, I tell you, to me, these guys that ride the bulls is worse than UFC. These guys, you see these big monster bulls and you see it in slow motion where the foot is like, you know, an inch away from the head.

00:27:49.000 If it hits him, the guy's gone.

00:27:50.000 But they die, you know, they die.

00:27:52.000 So one-tenth of one percent die, is that what you're saying?

00:27:54.000 Yeah, one-tenth of one percent die.

00:27:56.000 And they certainly get hurt badly, really.

00:27:58.000 I mean, they can't walk after a certain period of time.

00:28:00.000 But with the president...

00:28:02.000 If you look at the assassination— The amount of assassination attempts.

00:28:06.000 And attempts, too.

00:28:07.000 And attempts.

00:28:07.000 No, it's a very dangerous position.

00:28:09.000 I never thought of that, by the way, when I did it.

00:28:11.000 You know, you don't tend to— Did you just assume because people loved you on The Apprentice they were going to love you as a president?

00:28:16.000 Well, I figured it would be so easy.

00:28:18.000 You know, it was very interesting.

00:28:19.000 Well, it probably would have been if the media didn't attack you the way they did.

00:28:22.000 If they didn't conflate you with Hitler.

00:28:24.000 I mean, even today, like— Kamala was talking about you and Hitler.

00:28:29.000 They're going to take what you said about Robert E. Lee.

00:28:31.000 Oh, Donald Trump wishes the South won.

00:28:33.000 He loves Robert E. Lee.

00:28:33.000 That's right.

00:28:34.000 He loves Robert E. Lee.

00:28:35.000 They love to take things out of context and distort things.

00:28:38.000 But they don't even have to take them out.

00:28:40.000 They make them up entirely.

00:28:41.000 They do that, too.

00:28:42.000 But, you know, it's interesting when you mentioned the—I was very popular, and all those people loved me. 1.00

00:28:49.000 I mean, some of these women, they're so— They're so stupid. 1.00

00:28:55.000 And Joy, every time she'd see me, like I'd be in the theater or something, and she'd say, you have to be on the show again. 1.00

00:29:03.000 Come on, come on, let's go. 0.99

00:29:04.000 She loved you.

00:29:05.000 She loved me.

00:29:05.000 That episode, people should watch that episode just to see what we're talking about.

00:29:10.000 Like I said, we don't want to get a copyright strike, so we're not going to put it up.

00:29:12.000 But if you watch the episode, it's bananas.

00:29:15.000 It's like an alternative universe.

00:29:17.000 And it's only nine years ago.

00:29:19.000 Whoopi loved me.

00:29:20.000 Loved you.

00:29:21.000 Gives you a hug and a kiss.

00:29:22.000 And how about that other one, the new one on there, the one from my administration?

00:29:26.000 She writes me a letter, you're the greatest president.

00:29:29.000 She leaves.

00:29:30.000 You know, she worked as like an assistant press secretary. 1.00

00:29:33.000 I hardly knew her.

00:29:34.000 But she leaves and she writes me this gorgeous letter.

00:29:37.000 What's her name?

00:29:38.000 She was... 0.97

00:29:40.000 I don't even know.

00:29:41.000 Anyway, she was in the administration.

00:29:43.000 She's on there currently.

00:29:44.000 Sits in the far right-hand side, whatever the hell her name is. 0.99

00:29:48.000 And she writes a letter, the most beautiful letter.

00:29:50.000 She's quoted in the paper.

00:29:52.000 He's a consequential.

00:29:53.000 He was the greatest president, blah, blah, blah.

00:29:55.000 Then all of a sudden she goes to interview.

00:29:57.000 She's not hitting the hell out of me.

00:29:59.000 Because they won't hire her unless... 0.69

00:30:00.000 I've had many people go on CNN and they call and say, I don't know what to do.

00:30:04.000 They want to pay me a lot, but I have to be negative on you.

00:30:07.000 I said, be negative.

00:30:08.000 That's okay.

00:30:08.000 There are guys on, like CNN, they won't hire them.

00:30:12.000 Sean Duffy is a, you know, congressman and he retired.

00:30:16.000 He got a good job with CNN, but he was only positive about Trump.

00:30:20.000 So they kept him, but they would never put him on.

00:30:23.000 I mean, I respect what he did.

00:30:25.000 He could have gone, you know, negative.

00:30:26.000 I tell people, go negative.

00:30:28.000 Let my friends make the money.

00:30:30.000 It's so crooked.

00:30:31.000 The press is so crooked.

00:30:32.000 It's crooked, but it's also they're diminishing themselves.

00:30:36.000 They're hurting themselves.

00:30:37.000 They're killing all their credibility, and it's opening up the credibility to new media.

00:30:41.000 It's opening up the credibility to independent media.

00:30:43.000 The worst I've ever seen, though?

00:30:45.000 And I've seen the worst.

00:30:46.000 I mean, I've been a part of it.

00:30:48.000 I've seen the worst.

00:30:49.000 Kamala goes on 60 Minutes, gave an answer that a child wouldn't give. 0.71

00:30:55.000 It was so bad.

00:30:57.000 And 60 Minutes took the answer out.

00:30:59.000 They took the whole...

00:31:00.000 And they put another answer in.

00:31:02.000 They edited it deceptively.

00:31:04.000 Which didn't make sense either, but it was better.

00:31:06.000 They took the...

00:31:07.000 Well, it wasn't editing.

00:31:08.000 It was fraud.

00:31:09.000 This was not editing.

00:31:10.000 You know, editing is where I'll give an answer and they'll take a couple of words and change them around.

00:31:14.000 Or they might even take a sentence or two off, which is very bad.

00:31:17.000 But that's...

00:31:18.000 It's sort of bad.

00:31:19.000 You know, I'd give an answer, which was a very good answer.

00:31:22.000 I always talk about, you know...

00:31:23.000 I like to give long the weave. 0.57

00:31:26.000 Yeah, you like to weave things in.

00:31:28.000 Yeah, but when you do the weaves, and you have to be very smart to do weaves, when you do the weave, look at just in this one thing, we're talking about little pieces all over here, but it always ends up, no, no, it comes back home for the right people.

00:31:39.000 For the wrong people, it doesn't come back home and they end up in the wilderness, right?

00:31:43.000 But they can take my answer.

00:31:46.000 And you know what?

00:31:46.000 They may take a little piece of it out or something.

00:31:48.000 And they use the term, yes, we want to save time.

00:31:51.000 Well, it's not.

00:31:52.000 But I've never heard.

00:31:54.000 I think it's the biggest scandal in broadcast history, what happened to CBS. So you have CBS, 60 Minutes.

00:32:01.000 That's a news program.

00:32:01.000 It's not an entertainment program.

00:32:03.000 It's under their news.

00:32:04.000 It's the head of their news thing. 0.78

00:32:06.000 She gives an answer that shows that she's essentially incompetent. 0.97

00:32:12.000 And they took the answer?

00:32:13.000 Could you imagine them doing that for me?

00:32:14.000 We can show it if you want people to see it.

00:32:17.000 Can we show it?

00:32:17.000 No?

00:32:17.000 Sure.

00:32:18.000 We'll get in trouble?

00:32:18.000 We'll get copyright strike?

00:32:20.000 Okay.

00:32:21.000 I'll indemnify you. 0.98

00:32:23.000 But it's drastic.

00:32:24.000 But what was interesting was the other full version was available initially.

00:32:30.000 It was like a preview.

00:32:31.000 Somebody made a big mistake.

00:32:32.000 Somebody put that preview out there.

00:32:33.000 Some kid put the preview out.

00:32:35.000 Exactly.

00:32:35.000 And then the bosses did this or that.

00:32:37.000 Exactly.

00:32:37.000 And then all of a sudden they said, we got a problem.

00:32:39.000 Exactly.

00:32:40.000 They got caught by mistake.

00:32:42.000 But don't you think that's a big...

00:32:44.000 To me, and don't forget, this is election interference and fraud.

00:32:48.000 And it's 60 Minutes.

00:32:50.000 It's their news division.

00:32:52.000 It's a big deal.

00:32:53.000 They give those licenses out, Joe, for free.

00:32:56.000 They should pay a fortune.

00:32:58.000 They're worth a fortune.

00:32:59.000 They give them out for free because they're using the public airwaves.

00:33:03.000 With cable, you don't have that.

00:33:04.000 Cable's different.

00:33:05.000 But, you know, it's just a different deal.

00:33:08.000 But with the networks, they give those licenses.

00:33:11.000 They're worth billions of dollars.

00:33:13.000 They give them out free.

00:33:14.000 But you have to be honest and all.

00:33:15.000 That was bad.

00:33:16.000 I think that David Muir and that woman that was a site, I never even heard of her, but...

00:33:21.000 They kept interrupting me.

00:33:22.000 It was like, I said, how many people am I debating here?

00:33:25.000 I got this one and I got you two.

00:33:27.000 But he went after me 11 different times.

00:33:29.000 You know, it's interesting.

00:33:31.000 I always thought he was a nice guy, but he's just like the rest of them, you know?

00:33:35.000 Well, that's his job, unfortunately.

00:33:37.000 No, but not when they're wrong.

00:33:39.000 You're right.

00:33:39.000 Well, the problem was they fact-checked you and they didn't fact-check her.

00:33:43.000 Not at all.

00:33:43.000 And one of the most egregious examples of that was when she said that there are no troops right now deployed in war zones.

00:33:51.000 There's a very famous viral video that went online of troops in a war zone saying, well, what the fuck are we then? 0.93

00:33:58.000 Because there's thousands of them. 0.89

00:34:00.000 Dan Crenshaw, The Congressman posted on his Instagram all of the various examples of troops that are deployed, thousands and thousands of troops that are currently deployed. 1.00

00:34:12.000 Stupidly deployed. 0.86

00:34:13.000 But the point is, if this is going to be an actual real debate and not a propaganda exercise, if it's going to be a real debate, you have to fact check everybody. 0.99

00:34:20.000 Like if someone says maybe she thought there was no, which is also a problem.

00:34:24.000 So it's one of two things.

00:34:26.000 It's either it was not true, it was a lie on purpose, which is terrible, or it was the opposite.

00:34:33.000 It was ignorance, which is also terrible.

00:34:35.000 Well, Joe, when I said crime is soaring, he said, no, no, crime has gone down.

00:34:39.000 I said, where did you hear that one?

00:34:41.000 Crime has gone down.

00:34:42.000 I mean, I'm debating with this guy.

00:34:45.000 But I've had that— Well, there was amended FBI statistics that came out after that that showed that crime had gone up substantially.

00:34:50.000 And by the way, the statistics were a fraud because when they put out the statistics, they didn't include some of the worst places.

00:34:56.000 They didn't include some of the worst cities, some of the most deadly places.

00:35:00.000 But when the real numbers came out, I turned out to be right.

00:35:03.000 But I haven't gotten— You turned out to be right, but then there's another problem.

00:35:06.000 Unreported crime is way up. 0.99

00:35:08.000 Because people have lost, look, the morale that the police department has in a lot of these cities where they've done this defund the police bullshit, the morale of these poor cops, it's fucking horrible. 1.00

00:35:17.000 It's the dumbest idea of all time. 0.99

00:35:19.000 But what they've done is they've made these cops feel terrible, like good cops. 0.99

00:35:24.000 I think cops are just like everybody else.

00:35:26.000 Most of them are great.

00:35:27.000 It's like everybody else. 1.00

00:35:28.000 But if you run into one carpenter and he does a shitty job in your house, you say, carpenters fucking suck. 1.00

00:35:33.000 But they don't suck. 1.00

00:35:35.000 Most of them are great. 0.86

00:35:36.000 And that's the key thing with cops. 0.97

00:35:37.000 But the point is, like, they did all of these things in this very foolish way. 0.88

00:35:43.000 And these cops are suffering the consequences of it.

00:35:46.000 And so subsequently, what happens is a lot of crime is unreported.

00:35:49.000 A lot of crime, like, you call the cops, they're too busy, they can't even get to you.

00:35:53.000 Or your house got broken into?

00:35:54.000 Sorry.

00:35:55.000 You know, it doesn't even make a report.

00:35:57.000 There's a lot of people that they just give up.

00:36:00.000 It's so sad what's happened.

00:36:02.000 And I'll tell you what.

00:36:03.000 I go to police funerals and we went to one in Long Island.

00:36:08.000 I visited the family in Long Island.

00:36:10.000 A very big deal.

00:36:12.000 It's so dangerous.

00:36:13.000 People don't realize.

00:36:14.000 The car.

00:36:15.000 Dark windows.

00:36:17.000 Pull over.

00:36:18.000 He's a gentleman.

00:36:19.000 Please pull over.

00:36:20.000 Door opens.

00:36:21.000 Guy comes out firing.

00:36:23.000 Even if they were allowed to pull out their gun, which they're not, they can't, you know, pull out their gun.

00:36:27.000 Do it in time, yeah.

00:36:28.000 They still wouldn't have time.

00:36:29.000 It's every cop's first nightmare.

00:36:31.000 They open a door, and he was killed, and his partner was hurt.

00:36:35.000 He was killed.

00:36:36.000 And you don't have, I mean, you don't even have an eighth of a second to think.

00:36:41.000 And it is such a dangerous job.

00:36:43.000 That in particular, think of it, you go up to a car, you don't know who's sitting there with a gun.

00:36:47.000 And if they have a gun, you really don't have a chance.

00:36:50.000 You're not allowed to have your gun out, by the way.

00:36:51.000 They have very strict rules.

00:36:53.000 So, number one, but even if you could have your gun out, the door opens and bullets start firing out, you know, and especially where they have the dark windows, where they have the darkened windows.

00:37:04.000 It is such a dangerous profession and it's very hard to get cops now because they're not given any backup.

00:37:13.000 And you're right.

00:37:14.000 You know, they have like an eighth of a second to make a decision that's going to change their life.

00:37:19.000 If they make the wrong decision, they're going to end up on the front page of every newspaper in the country and they're going to lose their house and their pension and their job and their wife is going to be gone and everything is going to be gone.

00:37:30.000 And here's another thing that people don't talk about.

00:37:32.000 How many of them have PTSD? Probably most of them.

00:37:35.000 These guys are seeing people shot all the time.

00:37:38.000 I've talked to a ton of cops about it.

00:37:40.000 A lot of cops commit suicide.

00:37:42.000 A lot of cops are deeply depressed.

00:37:44.000 But we have to give them back their dignity.

00:37:47.000 We just have to give them back.

00:37:50.000 You said it so good.

00:37:52.000 You never hear anybody say that.

00:37:54.000 You're never going to have it perfect.

00:37:55.000 You're going to have a bad apple.

00:37:56.000 In everything.

00:37:57.000 In every profession.

00:37:58.000 But every time there's a bad apple, that gets massive publicity and it taints everybody else.

00:38:03.000 But it's also this very irresponsible thing where people say, defund the police, get rid of the police.

00:38:08.000 Even Kamala Harris was a part of that. 1.00

00:38:10.000 It's a very stupid way to look at it. 1.00

00:38:12.000 What you should do is fund the police. 1.00

00:38:13.000 You should have better training.

00:38:15.000 You should have cops that feel more appreciated.

00:38:17.000 You should have something that helps mitigate this PTSD that all of them suffer through.

00:38:22.000 Go ahead.

00:38:22.000 She was a big part of Defund the Police.

00:38:25.000 That was a big thing for her, Defund the Police.

00:38:27.000 Always Defund the Police.

00:38:29.000 It's a political idea, right?

00:38:31.000 Anybody with that political thought, I don't think should be running for president.

00:38:35.000 And I think people are getting wise to it.

00:38:38.000 You know, we're doing pretty well now.

00:38:39.000 I don't know.

00:38:39.000 Maybe in a week from now, say, sorry about that.

00:38:42.000 I was wrong.

00:38:42.000 But we're leading everything.

00:38:44.000 And I think we're going to have a very good election.

00:38:47.000 But I tell people because people are starting to get to know her.

00:38:50.000 But she was to fund the police.

00:38:52.000 She was all these transgender operations. 1.00

00:38:55.000 You know, if you wanted a sex change and you were in detention and you demanded a sex change, they would give you a sex change. 0.97

00:39:02.000 Well, the wildest one is this idea of giving free sex change to illegal immigrants. 1.00

00:39:07.000 That's right.

00:39:08.000 In detention.

00:39:09.000 That is the wildest thing.

00:39:11.000 Is that the biggest problem you have?

00:39:13.000 You just walked here from Guatemala.

00:39:14.000 You need to become a girl? 1.00

00:39:16.000 But she was in favor of it.

00:39:17.000 So think of it.

00:39:19.000 Now she changed. 0.99

00:39:20.000 She changed 15 policies.

00:39:22.000 In fact, I'm going to send her a MAGA cap.

00:39:24.000 She stole your idea about no tax for tips.

00:39:27.000 I came up with this idea that, honestly, nobody ever heard of.

00:39:32.000 Now, it took her two months, but you know what?

00:39:34.000 Well, it caught fire.

00:39:36.000 And she just put it into a little speech.

00:39:37.000 Yeah, it became popular.

00:39:39.000 I think we still have that issue.

00:39:40.000 I think that issue is a good one for us.

00:39:42.000 But now we have a lot of good issues.

00:39:44.000 You know, we had the other day – think of how simple some of these things are.

00:39:47.000 We're trying to get cars built in the United States.

00:39:50.000 Detroit has been really tough.

00:39:51.000 It's been a disaster.

00:39:53.000 They have a huge factory, a huge car auto plant being built by China in Mexico.

00:39:57.000 Make cars, sell them in the United States, put everybody out of business, right?

00:40:00.000 Here we go again.

00:40:02.000 I said, if that plant is there when I'm president, I will put 100 or 200 percent tariffs on every car.

00:40:09.000 They'll be unsaleable in the United States.

00:40:11.000 And they just announced they're not going to build the plant because they think I'm going to win.

00:40:15.000 Think of it.

00:40:15.000 They're not going to build the plant.

00:40:17.000 This was the biggest plant in the world.

00:40:20.000 More than all of Michigan makes.

00:40:23.000 That's how big.

00:40:23.000 You know, this is what we're getting to.

00:40:26.000 And I said, if that plan goes up, I want them to understand if I win, I'm going to tax those cars at the rate of 100% or 200% apiece so that you won't be able to sell them in the United States.

00:40:38.000 They just announced they're not going to build the plan.

00:40:40.000 Yeah, I read this.

00:40:41.000 I did a big favor for our country by doing that.

00:40:45.000 And I'm not even there yet.

00:40:46.000 To me, the most beautiful word, and I've said this for the last couple of weeks in the dictionary today, is the word tariff.

00:40:56.000 It's more beautiful than love.

00:40:57.000 It's more beautiful than anything.

00:40:58.000 It's the most beautiful word.

00:41:01.000 This country can become rich with the proper use of tariffs.

00:41:07.000 Did you just float out the idea of getting rid of income taxes and replacing it with tariffs?

00:41:13.000 Were you serious about that?

00:41:14.000 Yeah, sure.

00:41:15.000 But why not?

00:41:17.000 Our country was the richest relatively in the 1880s and 1890s.

00:41:24.000 A president who was assassinated named McKinley.

00:41:27.000 He was the tariff king. 0.70

00:41:29.000 He spoke beautifully of tariffs.

00:41:30.000 His language was really beautiful.

00:41:34.000 We will not allow the enemy to come in and take our jobs and take our factories and take our workers and take our families unless they pay a big price.

00:41:44.000 And the big price is tariffs.

00:41:47.000 And he'd speak like that, but he was right.

00:41:50.000 And then around in the early 1900s, they switched over stupidly to, frankly, an income tax.

00:41:55.000 And you know why? 0.85

00:41:56.000 Because countries were putting a lot of pressure on America.

00:41:59.000 We don't want to pay tariffs.

00:42:00.000 Please don't.

00:42:00.000 You know, believe me, they control our politicians.

00:42:04.000 If you look at the kind of numbers that these guys make then and now, but we had a commission meeting in the – I think it was 1887. Think of this problem.

00:42:18.000 We were so rich.

00:42:19.000 We had so much money.

00:42:22.000 We didn't know what to do.

00:42:23.000 So they set up a blue ribbon commission on tariffs.

00:42:27.000 And the sole purpose is what to do with all the money we had.

00:42:31.000 We were so rich because we were taxing other people for coming in and taking our jobs.

00:42:38.000 And China does it. 0.86

00:42:39.000 That's what China did. 0.92

00:42:40.000 If you want to open a factory and sell cars, if you build a factory or have a factory, they don't take our cars.

00:42:46.000 They wouldn't take our cars.

00:42:47.000 But if you build a plant in China, you can do that.

00:42:52.000 Elon did that.

00:42:53.000 By the way, Elon is great.

00:42:54.000 That guy is such a great guy.

00:42:56.000 I think you're a fan of Elon.

00:42:58.000 He is from a different planet.

00:43:00.000 He's the greatest guy.

00:43:02.000 That rocket coming in.

00:43:04.000 I told the story once or twice.

00:43:07.000 So you may have heard it because his speeches have been good.

00:43:10.000 Did you see the one last night?

00:43:11.000 Yeah.

00:43:11.000 29,000 people.

00:43:13.000 And the one the night before was the same thing.

00:43:16.000 We are rocking and rolling.

00:43:18.000 But Elon, and I'm talking to this very important guy.

00:43:22.000 I said, wait a minute.

00:43:23.000 I'm looking at something.

00:43:24.000 The television's unmuted, right?

00:43:26.000 And I see this rocket.

00:43:27.000 It's all...

00:43:29.000 Brown from the heat, you know, 10,000 degrees pouring down at thousands of miles an hour.

00:43:35.000 And I see this thing, you know, it's like a 20-story building.

00:43:38.000 And I say to this guy, he's an important guy, wait a minute, let me just put you down, hold it, I gotta see this.

00:43:45.000 And I see this, and it's gonna crash.

00:43:47.000 I say, it's gonna crash into the gantry, they call it a gantry.

00:43:50.000 I said, oh man, that's got to be a disaster because it's starting to get very close.

00:43:54.000 And then all of a sudden you see the flames in the bottom and boom.

00:43:58.000 And then you see the two arms grab it.

00:44:00.000 Crazy.

00:44:01.000 And I forgot the guy. 0.50

00:44:02.000 I had him on the phone.

00:44:03.000 No, I called Elon.

00:44:06.000 I said, was that you?

00:44:07.000 He said, that was me.

00:44:09.000 And I said, who else can do that?

00:44:10.000 He said, nobody.

00:44:11.000 Russia can't do it.

00:44:12.000 The United States, nobody can do it.

00:44:14.000 You know, I set up Space Force.

00:44:16.000 That was me.

00:44:16.000 And that's the first time in 82 years that we opened another branch since the Air Force.

00:44:21.000 And that's going to be one of our most important things.

00:44:24.000 But think of what Elon does.

00:44:25.000 And he did one other thing that I never heard of.

00:44:28.000 It's Starlink.

00:44:31.000 I went down to North Carolina, Georgia, the different places.

00:44:35.000 I followed it right down.

00:44:37.000 And they had no communication.

00:44:38.000 The polls were all knocked down.

00:44:40.000 And one of the guys in North Carolina said, could you do me a favor?

00:44:45.000 Do you know Elon Musk?

00:44:46.000 Yes.

00:44:47.000 He endorsed me.

00:44:48.000 By the way, he gave me the nicest endorsement, too.

00:44:50.000 He said, the country's going to fail.

00:44:52.000 You should do the same thing, Joe, because you cannot be voting for Kamala.

00:44:57.000 Kamala.

00:44:58.000 You're not a Kamala person. 1.00

00:44:59.000 I know you.

00:45:00.000 I've watched you.

00:45:01.000 I know him better than he is.

00:45:02.000 You know what?

00:45:02.000 Without speaking to you, I think I know you maybe almost as well as your wife.

00:45:06.000 I have watched you for so many years.

00:45:08.000 You're not a Kamala person. 1.00

00:45:10.000 You're a Khabib person, but you're not a Kamala person.

00:45:14.000 Nobody's gonna know who Khabib is, but...

00:45:16.000 Oh, they know who Khabib is.

00:45:17.000 He was not bad, right?

00:45:19.000 Oh, he was phenomenal.

00:45:20.000 But that's your kind of person.

00:45:21.000 Your weave is getting wide. 0.99

00:45:22.000 We're getting wide with this weave.

00:45:24.000 I want to bring it back to tariffs.

00:45:25.000 But wait, one sec.

00:45:26.000 Before we finish with tariffs, so they said, could you get him?

00:45:30.000 We need Starlink.

00:45:31.000 And I call Elon.

00:45:33.000 He got it for him so fast, saved so many lives.

00:45:36.000 And I said, how was it?

00:45:37.000 They said, better than the wires.

00:45:39.000 You know, they couldn't put them in.

00:45:40.000 They were all gone.

00:45:42.000 I used it recently in Utah in the mountains.

00:45:44.000 Did you find it good?

00:45:45.000 Oh, it's phenomenal.

00:45:46.000 It's the size of an iPad.

00:45:48.000 You just set it down on the ground, you get high-speed internet.

00:45:50.000 It's incredible.

00:45:51.000 We're spending, just to show you, we're spending a trillion dollars to get cables all over the country, right?

00:45:59.000 Upstate areas.

00:46:01.000 We have like two farms and they're spending millions of dollars to advocate.

00:46:05.000 Well, talk about the $42 billion that was wasted on this internet access program. 0.90

00:46:10.000 They didn't get anybody access to internet.

00:46:13.000 They haven't hooked up one person yet.

00:46:14.000 Not one person.

00:46:15.000 They spent $42 billion.

00:46:16.000 They could have gotten Starlinks to everybody with that kind of money.

00:46:19.000 For almost nothing.

00:46:21.000 Yeah.

00:46:21.000 For a monthly charge.

00:46:22.000 And it would have been incredible.

00:46:23.000 And it's high-speed internet everywhere you want to go.

00:46:25.000 And he wanted to do that.

00:46:27.000 And he wanted to do it.

00:46:27.000 How about this?

00:46:28.000 They built the charger stations, right?

00:46:31.000 In the Midwest.

00:46:33.000 They built eight of them.

00:46:35.000 They cost $9 billion.

00:46:38.000 That's like a gas pump, right?

00:46:39.000 They built nine gas pumps, except electricity comes out.

00:46:43.000 They spent nine billion dollars.

00:46:45.000 Three of them don't work.

00:46:46.000 The whole thing, there's so much waste.

00:46:49.000 I could sit here and tell you about things that there's so much waste, abuse, and fraud.

00:46:56.000 Oh, there's, yeah, I'm sure.

00:46:59.000 I mean, I think everybody's aware of that now.

00:47:00.000 Let's get back to tariffs.

00:47:01.000 When you're talking about, one of the criticisms of your administration was with tax cuts and with tariffs, you increased the deficit.

00:47:09.000 So what was the strategy behind that?

00:47:13.000 And did you think it was going to increase the deficit by a substantial amount?

00:47:17.000 Okay.

00:47:18.000 We were ready to rock.

00:47:19.000 You know, I had a bad system.

00:47:22.000 We had a horrible tax policy.

00:47:24.000 I made it great.

00:47:26.000 With a much lower tax rate.

00:47:28.000 So I took it from almost 40% down to 21%.

00:47:32.000 Now I'm bringing from 21 down to 15, but only if you make your product in the United States, which is great.

00:47:40.000 People call me, they said, what a great idea.

00:47:41.000 Nobody ever heard of that before.

00:47:43.000 I don't care if they make the product in Japan.

00:47:45.000 Why should I give up?

00:47:46.000 So it's at 21. At 21...

00:47:50.000 In the first year, we took in much more revenue than we did at almost 40. Think of that.

00:47:56.000 It inspired.

00:47:57.000 Now, we had other things, too.

00:47:58.000 We were able to get people to bring back their money.

00:48:01.000 You couldn't bring back your money.

00:48:03.000 If you had money in Europe, like Apple.

00:48:07.000 Apple had many billions of dollars outside.

00:48:10.000 They couldn't bring it.

00:48:11.000 There was no way to bring it back in.

00:48:13.000 The bureaucracy, the documents, the whole thing.

00:48:15.000 And also the tax was too high.

00:48:17.000 You know, they wanted like half of it or something.

00:48:19.000 Nobody's going to do that.

00:48:19.000 So they leave their money in Japan and they spend their money there.

00:48:24.000 That was part of what I did.

00:48:26.000 The money came pouring back in.

00:48:28.000 Apple took in hundreds of billions of dollars.

00:48:30.000 They brought it back from overseas.

00:48:31.000 They brought it in.

00:48:32.000 So how does the deficit increase because of that?

00:48:34.000 So what happened is this.

00:48:35.000 We were ready to rock and roll and then we had the COVID thing and we had to focus on that.

00:48:41.000 And if we didn't give some businesses a hand, you would have had a depression like in 1929. But we were ready to start.

00:48:51.000 We would have very shortly been paying off debt.

00:48:54.000 You know we have $35 trillion in debt.

00:48:57.000 And I'll never forget it.

00:48:58.000 We were, it was talking about from, you know, the standpoint of being in office.

00:49:03.000 I'm in the Oval Office and I have John McLaughlin and Fabrizio.

00:49:08.000 They're two very good pollsters, probably.

00:49:10.000 I don't know.

00:49:10.000 I would say the two best.

00:49:11.000 Who knows?

00:49:12.000 But very good pollsters.

00:49:14.000 And we're starting to think about running for a second term.

00:49:17.000 And we had the greatest economy in history.

00:49:22.000 Never has there been an economy like this.

00:49:23.000 And you attribute that to lowering taxes and tariffs.

00:49:26.000 Two things.

00:49:27.000 And also, I cut regulations more than anybody else.

00:49:31.000 And I asked many of the businessmen, you know, from the big companies, you know, the guys running the big companies, I'd say, so if you had your choice, you've had it now for a long time, what's more important to you, the tax cuts, you paid less tax, or the regulation cuts?

00:49:46.000 Every one of them said the regulation cuts meant more.

00:49:49.000 Who would think that, right?

00:49:50.000 Because you don't equate it to dollars, but it actually is more dollars.

00:49:55.000 We had it going and then we just had to focus on something else.

00:50:00.000 These two pollsters were sitting there and they said, Sir, if George Washington came back and Abraham Lincoln was his VP as opposed to Waltz, how bad is he by the way?

00:50:14.000 But if Abraham Lincoln was his VP, they couldn't beat you.

00:50:20.000 And I'll never forget it.

00:50:22.000 The following day, they said, something's happening in China, sir.

00:50:27.000 Could we meet?

00:50:28.000 I said, what's happening?

00:50:29.000 People are dying.

00:50:31.000 And it was all around the Wuhan lab, by the way.

00:50:34.000 There are pictures with little lines, their body bags, all around the The Wuhan lab.

00:50:41.000 And I always said that from the beginning, Joe.

00:50:43.000 You know, they tried to say – first they said it was France and they blamed everybody.

00:50:47.000 But then they say it was bats from a cave 2,000 miles away.

00:50:51.000 So we got hit with that.

00:50:54.000 And despite that, we had the best economy.

00:50:57.000 And when I gave it over, the stock market was higher than it was pre-COVID. Nobody could even believe it.

00:51:04.000 But we saved it and we were helping businesses.

00:51:09.000 They were dying.

00:51:10.000 So it's your belief that if you had a second term, given the policies in place, the way the economy was booming, that you would have been able to pay off a lot of the debt.

00:51:20.000 If we didn't have COVID, we would have been paying off debt and we would have had...

00:51:25.000 And don't forget, by growth, the word growth is actually more important in a way because you could have the same debt, but if you doubled your growth, all of a sudden you're under-levered.

00:51:34.000 But still, we should pay off debt.

00:51:36.000 You know, if you viewed this...

00:51:39.000 Thirty-five trillion dollars right now.

00:51:41.000 It's a lot.

00:51:42.000 But if you look at the asset value, if you look at it purely as an asset value, we have oil underground, we have water, we have mountains.

00:51:50.000 I mean, the assets are so enormous.

00:51:54.000 But regardless of that, we've got thirty-five trillion in debt, we should pay it off.

00:51:59.000 And we would have started paying off debt and probably even giving further tax reductions.

00:52:06.000 I want to get it down to 15%.

00:52:08.000 We're going to do more business.

00:52:10.000 But when you get hit with the COVID, everything stops and you have to keep these businesses alive.

00:52:14.000 The businesses were dying.

00:52:16.000 I mean, they were just dying.

00:52:17.000 This whole place, this country was going to die.

00:52:19.000 Are there influences outside of environmental that keep people from wanting to drill for oil and frack and do those sort of things?

00:52:28.000 Outside of the environmental concerns, which are legitimate, of course.

00:52:32.000 But are there other influences that maybe over-accentuate or over-exaggerate these environmental effects?

00:52:40.000 Are people being influenced in a way where they're trying to keep us from producing American oil?

00:52:46.000 Yeah.

00:52:47.000 So the environmental is the biggest tool for stopping growth, the biggest tool.

00:52:52.000 The other is regulation.

00:52:54.000 And if you speak to Elon, he said the regulation now to send a rocket up to anywhere, even if you do everything, it's almost, it's becoming impossible.

00:53:05.000 But they use environmental in order to get people not to do anything.

00:53:12.000 And sometimes I say – you know, I look at some of the – I know the environmental stuff better because I had to build buildings in New York.

00:53:18.000 I had to build – I had to do environmental impact studies.

00:53:21.000 And I would see some of these guys that I'd hire for a lot of money, environmentalists, that would get you through the process.

00:53:27.000 And they'd be up in Albany, that's the capital of New York, and they're up there trying to make it tougher for guys like me that were builders because they'd get paid more money.

00:53:37.000 In other words, I had one guy, highly recommended.

00:53:43.000 You know, I was good at getting permits.

00:53:44.000 I was one of the kings of...

00:53:46.000 I was always very good.

00:53:47.000 But the environmental stuff was always horrible.

00:53:50.000 They could slow a project down 10 years, 15 years.

00:53:54.000 I had a project in Louisiana built, big LNG plant.

00:53:58.000 It was for 14 years.

00:54:00.000 It was going to cost $18 billion.

00:54:04.000 One of the biggest...

00:54:04.000 Like the Empire State Building laying down on the side times four.

00:54:08.000 Massive on the coast, on the Gulf Coast.

00:54:11.000 And they said, sir, they're going to give it up.

00:54:13.000 I said, they shouldn't give it up.

00:54:14.000 What's the problem?

00:54:15.000 They can't get their environmental.

00:54:16.000 They had environmental permits that would fill this whole room up to the ceiling.

00:54:21.000 And they said there was one mistake on one little line.

00:54:24.000 They wanted to do it all over again.

00:54:26.000 It's not going to happen.

00:54:28.000 And I got them their permit instantly.

00:54:32.000 And they built the plant.

00:54:33.000 It's massive.

00:54:34.000 So when you're saying that there's people that are making money by making it difficult, are you talking about lawyers?

00:54:41.000 No, I'm talking about environmental consultants and lawyers.

00:54:44.000 Environmental consultants profit off of dragging out the process.

00:54:48.000 Absolutely.

00:54:49.000 And they make the process worse.

00:54:50.000 And I'd probably do the same thing if I were them, to be honest with you.

00:54:54.000 I want to be honest with you.

00:54:55.000 How do they do that?

00:54:56.000 How do they make it?

00:54:57.000 Let's say New York, they go to Albany.

00:54:59.000 Okay.

00:54:59.000 And they convince people that if you have a certain type of plant on the ground that's this big and In theory, valueless.

00:55:06.000 That it's a rare plant and you cannot even touch it.

00:55:10.000 You can't go near it.

00:55:12.000 You can't put a building on it.

00:55:14.000 You can't do anything.

00:55:15.000 Or there's a little puddle and they call it a lake.

00:55:19.000 And you have to go by the standards of a lake.

00:55:21.000 I said, no, no, that's a puddle.

00:55:23.000 Oh, you have no idea.

00:55:25.000 Guys are filling a little puddle.

00:55:26.000 You have no idea what they do.

00:55:28.000 And they use it as a way to stop you.

00:55:31.000 We're good to go.

00:55:52.000 Yeah, I think they maybe had more.

00:55:54.000 They didn't have as much with me because I would get through them.

00:55:57.000 And I understood it.

00:55:59.000 Look, I've done so many—they call it environmental impact study.

00:56:03.000 I did so much to build a building.

00:56:05.000 To build a building in New York is very tough.

00:56:07.000 You've got to be very—you've got to deal with—think of it.

00:56:10.000 Financing, unions, all the municipal stuff, environmental.

00:56:17.000 Of all of it, to me, the toughest thing was the environmental— Right, but there are legitimate concerns about environmental impacts.

00:56:38.000 Look at the BP oil spill.

00:56:40.000 There's a lot of things that do happen that are environmentally devastating.

00:56:44.000 And you want to mitigate that as much as possible.

00:56:46.000 You do.

00:56:47.000 Look, during our four years, we had the cleanest air and the cleanest water.

00:56:51.000 I view it differently.

00:56:52.000 I say air...

00:56:54.000 And water.

00:56:55.000 Remember this, it costs much more to do things environmentally clean.

00:57:01.000 China doesn't do anything. 0.83

00:57:02.000 When Kerry goes to see President Xi at China, which he probably doesn't even get to see him, but they look at him, oh yes, yes, we will do, oh yes, yes, we're going to do that, no more coal, no more coal, just, and then they approve 58 coal plants for the next,

00:57:17.000 you know, every, they build a coal plant a week.

00:57:20.000 They build a lot of coal plants.

00:57:21.000 But let me just tell you though, so here we are cleaning and scrubbing everything and the air has got to be pure.

00:57:28.000 But in 3.8 days, that stuff floating over China is right over the top of us.

00:57:35.000 Same thing with the oceans. 0.59

00:57:36.000 They dump their garbage into the Pacific Ocean.

00:57:41.000 If you take a little cork and put it there, in about a week and a half, it'll be in front of Los Angeles. 0.57

00:57:48.000 We're picking up their garbage.

00:57:50.000 So, nobody ever talks about that.

00:57:53.000 But in a way, the bigger one is even the air.

00:57:56.000 It's the currents.

00:57:56.000 It's an amazing thing.

00:57:58.000 It's been flowing that way for a million years, long before we were there.

00:58:01.000 We share air with the whole world.

00:58:04.000 We get the Sahara dust clouds over here.

00:58:07.000 Absolutely.

00:58:08.000 We get dust clouds in Austin from the Sahara Desert.

00:58:10.000 But we get the China, you know, they call it the China curse.

00:58:14.000 We get the China curse. 0.99

00:58:16.000 They're bad. 1.00

00:58:17.000 And their air is dirty.

00:58:18.000 You know, when I went there, I had a great relationship with President Xi.

00:58:22.000 We got along very well.

00:58:24.000 And they treated me better than anybody has ever been treated.

00:58:27.000 Same thing with Saudi Arabia.

00:58:29.000 A number of them.

00:58:30.000 But they laid it out.

00:58:32.000 And I said, this air is good.

00:58:34.000 Do you know they closed every factory one week before I got there from within 200 miles?

00:58:40.000 That's like what Gavin Newsom did when Xi Jinping came to San Francisco.

00:58:43.000 He cleaned it up.

00:58:44.000 He cleaned it up.

00:58:45.000 He got rid of all the homeless people.

00:58:45.000 Isn't that terrible in a way to think, you know?

00:58:48.000 He cleaned it up and then it became a pigsty. 0.97

00:58:51.000 Well, the dumbest thing is he said when your friends come by, when you have visitors, you clean up your house. 1.00

00:58:56.000 Like, how about just keep your fucking house clean? 1.00

00:58:58.000 Can you imagine? 1.00

00:58:59.000 That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard anybody say ever as a governor as to excuse to why you finally cleaned up your homeless problem. 0.99

00:59:05.000 And the day he left, it went right back. 0.99

00:59:09.000 But in a way, that was a bad thing that he did because he showed what a disgrace that was.

00:59:16.000 What a disgrace. 0.98

00:59:16.000 Well, this is the thing that shows you how foolish a lot of these people that are running these cities think. 0.98

00:59:22.000 A lot of these people that are running these states think. 1.00

00:59:24.000 It's foolish. 0.98

00:59:26.000 You're insulting the intelligence of the people that live in that city that are impacted by these people just camping and needles and human feces. 0.99

00:59:35.000 There's an app that you can buy.

00:59:37.000 There's an app that you can get, rather, that will show you where the human feces has been documented in San Francisco.

00:59:43.000 It's a poo app.

00:59:45.000 And it's just everywhere. 1.00

00:59:46.000 It's just bum crap everywhere. 1.00

00:59:48.000 But let me give you one that you may not know. 0.99

00:59:51.000 Okay.

00:59:51.000 Which I think you know everything actually.

00:59:54.000 That's not true.

00:59:54.000 As a student of yours.

00:59:56.000 But water.

00:59:58.000 You know in Los Angeles you can't get proper amounts of water.

01:00:03.000 Right.

01:00:03.000 And it's unbelievably expensive.

01:00:05.000 And you might have a house in Beverly Hills and they're actually thinking about rationing water.

01:00:09.000 Can you believe it?

01:00:11.000 And I was in the farm court country with some of the congressmen who were driving up a highway.

01:00:17.000 And I say, how come all this land is so barren?

01:00:22.000 It's farmland and it looked terrible.

01:00:24.000 It was just brown and bad.

01:00:26.000 I said, but there's always that little corner that's so green and beautiful.

01:00:32.000 They said, we have no water.

01:00:34.000 I said, do you have a drought?

01:00:35.000 No, we don't have a drought.

01:00:37.000 I said, why don't you have no water?

01:00:38.000 Because the water isn't allowed to flow down.

01:00:41.000 It's got a natural flow from Canada all the way up north of water.

01:00:44.000 More water than they could ever use.

01:00:46.000 And in order to protect a tiny little fish, the water up north gets routed into the Pacific Ocean.

01:00:55.000 Millions and millions of gallons of water gets poured.

01:00:58.000 You've got to see this.

01:00:59.000 We're driving up, and I had never seen it before.

01:01:02.000 It's like Iowa.

01:01:04.000 It's the most fertile land.

01:01:05.000 Iowa's blessed with great land.

01:01:07.000 Idaho for a potato, right?

01:01:09.000 By the way, some land is good for a potato.

01:01:13.000 Some land is good for corn.

01:01:14.000 It's the craziest thing.

01:01:15.000 I love the farmers.

01:01:16.000 They're great.

01:01:17.000 They're the greatest. 0.75

01:01:18.000 And by the way, they're getting killed right now.

01:01:19.000 They are. 1.00

01:01:20.000 They're getting killed because of this stupid administration. 1.00

01:01:23.000 So I see this, and I said, you've got to be kidding. 1.00

01:01:26.000 I said, you mean you have water?

01:01:28.000 And I looked at it.

01:01:29.000 It's like a valve in your sink, except it's massive.

01:01:32.000 The thing's five times taller than your ceiling.

01:01:35.000 Did you know the center of California was a giant lake?

01:01:38.000 They have so much water.

01:01:39.000 You ever see what it looked like before they rerouted it?

01:01:41.000 No, I never saw that, no.

01:01:41.000 The center of California, like, what is it, 200 years ago?

01:01:44.000 How long ago did they do that, Jamie? 0.97

01:01:47.000 The center of California had a fucking enormous lake in the middle of California. 0.98

01:01:51.000 So they dumped it into the Pacific. 0.99

01:01:53.000 Who knows what they did, but whatever foolishness that they did led to the situation that they're in now.

01:01:59.000 Think of those dry forests that burned down all over the...

01:02:03.000 You know, the head of Austria said, you know...

01:02:08.000 It's a freshwater lake in the southern San Joaquin Valley United States.

01:02:12.000 Historically, Tulare Lake was one of the largest freshwater lakes west of Mississippi.

01:02:16.000 Show a photo of what it looked like back then.

01:02:20.000 It's a great system.

01:02:21.000 So that's what it looked like.

01:02:22.000 Look at that image.

01:02:22.000 Go to the one on the third from the right.

01:02:25.000 Yeah.

01:02:26.000 That was an enormous lake in the middle of California.

01:02:28.000 Imagine that.

01:02:29.000 That would be a much more valuable property.

01:02:30.000 How crazy is that?

01:02:31.000 How crazy is that?

01:02:32.000 That's what it used to look like.

01:02:33.000 And human beings screwed that up.

01:02:35.000 No, they let it go into the Pacific and then they...

01:02:37.000 I don't know what they did.

01:02:38.000 What did they do?

01:02:39.000 How did it go missing?

01:02:40.000 It said they drained it in 83. Yeah, they drained it.

01:02:45.000 19?

01:02:47.000 1983. Oh my God. 0.95

01:02:48.000 It went Oh, dry a handful of times.

01:02:52.000 Well, you know, lakes do go dry, but that's a big one.

01:02:55.000 It's a big one to go dry.

01:02:56.000 But think of it.

01:02:56.000 You could have all of the water you need.

01:02:59.000 All of that land would have more water.

01:03:02.000 The whole thing could be like that little patch.

01:03:04.000 Literally, I'd say I was with Devin Noon as a congressman and other congressmen.

01:03:08.000 We were going up.

01:03:09.000 I was visiting that because they asked me to go up and visit their territory, and I did.

01:03:13.000 But I kept saying, look at this land.

01:03:15.000 It's beautiful, but it's so dry.

01:03:17.000 And I thought they were going through like a desert, like a drought.

01:03:20.000 They said, no, we have water, but it gets...

01:03:21.000 So I looked into it.

01:03:23.000 And I got it done.

01:03:25.000 I got it done.

01:03:26.000 I could have water for all of that land.

01:03:29.000 Water for your forests.

01:03:31.000 You know, your forests are dry as a bone.

01:03:32.000 Yeah.

01:03:33.000 Okay?

01:03:33.000 Dangerous.

01:03:33.000 That water could be routed.

01:03:35.000 You know, you could have everything.

01:03:37.000 Not only dangerous.

01:03:38.000 Billions of dollars a year they spend on forest fires.

01:03:41.000 And, you know, there's a case with the environment.

01:03:43.000 They're not allowed to rake their forests because you're not allowed to touch it.

01:03:48.000 When a tree falls down, after 18 months it becomes very dry.

01:03:51.000 It's like, you know, like real firewood.

01:03:53.000 It's bad.

01:03:54.000 You know, a tree that's up...

01:03:56.000 These are all things I... Learned the hard way, the easy way.

01:04:00.000 But when a tree is up, it sucks water.

01:04:02.000 It's wet.

01:04:03.000 I went to that, they had a couple of horrible forest fires in California.

01:04:07.000 And I went, I said, you know, you had a lot of trees standing.

01:04:09.000 Yes, there were healthy trees, sir.

01:04:11.000 I said, with this intense heat, you could see they were charred a little bit on the bottom, but they were going to be all right because they're soaking wet because they suck up the water, right?

01:04:19.000 But when they fall, they're like, you know, it's like lighting a match.

01:04:23.000 Yeah.

01:04:24.000 And you've got to be able to clean.

01:04:25.000 They call it maintain your forest.

01:04:27.000 So I was with the head of Austria.

01:04:29.000 He said, you know, it's a shame.

01:04:30.000 I see all those forest fires in California, and all they have to do is clean their forest, meaning rake it up, get rid of the leaves, get rid of, you know, leaves that are sitting there for five years.

01:04:41.000 Well, certainly get rid of the dead fall.

01:04:43.000 And get rid of the trees that have fallen and that, you know, are like...

01:04:48.000 So many things, this country...

01:04:50.000 By the way, I had it all done.

01:04:50.000 Could you rake the whole forest, though?

01:04:52.000 I don't think you could rake the whole forest.

01:04:54.000 I think you could get rid of the deadfall, but raking all the leaves...

01:04:56.000 You could certainly get rid of the dead, okay?

01:04:58.000 Yeah, I think that's the real issue.

01:04:59.000 You know, environmentally, they don't want to do that.

01:05:01.000 They said, you know, it's got to be nature and all this stuff.

01:05:04.000 But in the meantime, this is exactly right.

01:05:07.000 But you could have...

01:05:09.000 It was the Department of Commerce that needed the approvals, but Gavin Newsom had to sign them.

01:05:14.000 I got it all done.

01:05:15.000 Nobody could believe it.

01:05:16.000 It was all done.

01:05:18.000 I said, I got it.

01:05:20.000 You got so much water.

01:05:22.000 All you have to do is sign.

01:05:24.000 And that guy didn't want to sign.

01:05:27.000 Did he not want to sign because that would be a political victory for you?

01:05:30.000 No, I don't think so.

01:05:32.000 You know, he used to say he's a great president and we got along.

01:05:36.000 We did.

01:05:36.000 We actually got along at that point.

01:05:38.000 But I think somebody said you just can't continue to call him a great president.

01:05:43.000 You know, they do say that.

01:05:45.000 But we had it all done.

01:05:46.000 He didn't sign.

01:05:47.000 And then we got on to other things.

01:05:50.000 And every time I go to California, I say, you have so much water.

01:05:54.000 They don't know it.

01:05:55.000 I'm telling you, people living in Beverly Hills, they turn off the water.

01:05:58.000 Same thing with the electric.

01:06:00.000 They want to go to all electric cars, but they have brownouts every weekend, you know?

01:06:03.000 Well, right after they made the announcement that as of 2035, you're not going to be able to buy an internal combustion engine in California, like within a month, they had some announcement asking people to not charge their Teslas.

01:06:17.000 Because the grid couldn't handle it.

01:06:18.000 Well, how are you going to handle it?

01:06:19.000 I will terminate the mandate immediately.

01:06:21.000 That will be done, I would say, in my first day, maybe two days because, you know— Let me ask you about nuclear.

01:06:28.000 One of the things that when I've talked to people that have a real understanding of nuclear power, what their position is, it's probably the cleanest, safest form of electricity that we could generate.

01:06:40.000 And that the fears of nuclear power are really about a few disasters.

01:06:46.000 The Fukushima, Three Mile Island.

01:06:49.000 These are old systems and they're much more capable now and they're capable of making even better systems.

01:06:57.000 But it's a difficult political issue because you think nuclear power, you think Chernobyl.

01:07:03.000 That's what everybody does.

01:07:03.000 They have this connection.

01:07:04.000 They have the potential disaster.

01:07:06.000 Or Fukushima.

01:07:07.000 Where you're not supposed to enter the land for 3,000 years or something.

01:07:10.000 I think it's worse than that.

01:07:12.000 I think that area is going to be radioactive for probably longer than you could imagine.

01:07:17.000 But the point is they're better at it now.

01:07:20.000 Right.

01:07:20.000 And that they could do it now, and you can generate power in a way that you don't have to worry about these...

01:07:25.000 One of the most ridiculous things is electric cars being powered by coal-fired plants. 0.91

01:07:31.000 It's a ridiculous thing. 0.85

01:07:32.000 It's what's happening. 0.97

01:07:33.000 Yeah, it is what's happening.

01:07:34.000 And people want to think they're being green, you know, but it's...

01:07:37.000 Well, if you look at the way the battery is made, but here's the other thing.

01:07:40.000 We don't have...

01:07:41.000 Well, we do, actually.

01:07:43.000 It's being held.

01:07:44.000 You know, we have certain areas where we have great raw earth material, and we're not allowed to use it because of the environment.

01:07:49.000 And we have areas in California that have incredible raw earth, and they're not allowing—and I'm going to open it up.

01:07:56.000 I'm going to let them use it.

01:07:57.000 But how do you do that?

01:07:59.000 How do you do that and protect the environment?

01:08:01.000 Because the environment is going to be protected.

01:08:02.000 You can do it.

01:08:03.000 You can make a lake out of it.

01:08:04.000 Okay, we'll put back a lake.

01:08:06.000 I mean, something nice about lakes.

01:08:08.000 You can do things magnificently.

01:08:10.000 You just have to do it carefully and responsibly.

01:08:12.000 Absolutely.

01:08:13.000 You have to do it carefully.

01:08:14.000 But the problem, you know, China has all of those areas, most of those areas.

01:08:20.000 And yet, when they say go electric with the cars, China is going to be the one that gives us the cars. 0.90

01:08:26.000 All of those guys in Detroit are going to be out of business.

01:08:28.000 You're going to make your electric cars over there.

01:08:30.000 We have a thing called gasoline.

01:08:32.000 And we have more oil and gas under our feet than any other nation.

01:08:36.000 You know, I had in Alaska there's a find.

01:08:39.000 It's called ANWR. I got it approved.

01:08:42.000 Reagan couldn't get it.

01:08:43.000 Nobody could get it.

01:08:44.000 I got it all done.

01:08:45.000 It was amazing.

01:08:46.000 They were getting ready to start drilling.

01:08:49.000 The equivalent, they think, of Saudi Arabia, one of the biggest finds in the world. 0.63

01:08:53.000 It was all set to go.

01:08:55.000 And Biden comes in.

01:08:56.000 One of his first orders were, we're not going to use it.

01:09:00.000 It would have been so good.

01:09:02.000 We could have supplied all of Asia.

01:09:04.000 With oil and gas.

01:09:05.000 What was the negative of it?

01:09:06.000 And you talk about money?

01:09:07.000 Right.

01:09:08.000 The negative was politically they didn't think it was good for them.

01:09:11.000 That's all.

01:09:11.000 That's all it was.

01:09:12.000 So you don't think that it's environmentally dangerous?

01:09:14.000 No.

01:09:14.000 Taking it from way down deep in the earth, environmentally it would have been fine.

01:09:18.000 So it can be done responsibly?

01:09:20.000 Absolutely.

01:09:20.000 Oh, otherwise...

01:09:21.000 The point where it protects the environment.

01:09:22.000 Well, I think windmills...

01:09:23.000 Okay, so they talk about windmills.

01:09:25.000 That's a good point.

01:09:25.000 I think windmills are really disruptive.

01:09:27.000 When you talk about the environment, they killed the birds.

01:09:30.000 You want to see a bird cemetery?

01:09:32.000 Go under a windmill someday.

01:09:34.000 That hasn't been cleaned out with all the bird carcasses.

01:09:38.000 It's like massive amounts of birds.

01:09:41.000 Well, they're also a massive eyesore.

01:09:42.000 I went to a ranch in South Texas. 0.80

01:09:45.000 We had to drive past this enormous windmill farm, and it's gross.

01:09:48.000 It's dystopian.

01:09:50.000 You're looking in the left and the right, and all you see is these big spinning machines that aren't even that effective at generating electricity.

01:09:57.000 Correct.

01:09:57.000 The most expensive form of electricity is a windmill.

01:10:00.000 And then they start to rust and rot.

01:10:02.000 And then they get abandoned by the people that built them.

01:10:05.000 Well, you have to get rid of all that material, too.

01:10:08.000 When you replace those blades, now you have a problem because you have to dispose these enormous windmills.

01:10:15.000 By the way, they say you can't bury them.

01:10:17.000 So I even question that, but I'm not going to get into it.

01:10:20.000 But they say you can't bury them.

01:10:22.000 So you have the blades, and you can't bury the blades.

01:10:24.000 You can bury the blades.

01:10:25.000 It's not going to matter.

01:10:26.000 You can bury them.

01:10:26.000 You'll find areas you can bury.

01:10:27.000 But they come up.

01:10:29.000 This is what I mean.

01:10:29.000 They come up with this.

01:10:30.000 But the environmentalist dream is windmills everyone.

01:10:34.000 You know what happens to them?

01:10:35.000 After five years, they start to rot.

01:10:37.000 After ten years, you have to replace them.

01:10:39.000 Did you ever look at certain parts of California where they have heavy windmills and they've been abandoned?

01:10:44.000 And they're all different manufacturers in all different companies.

01:10:47.000 I haven't seen that. 0.94

01:10:48.000 It is the ugliest thing.

01:10:50.000 It looks like a graveyard, almost. 0.81

01:10:52.000 A graveyard of windmills.

01:10:54.000 It's pollution.

01:10:55.000 It's so bad.

01:10:56.000 And in the oceans.

01:10:57.000 It's no different than leaving garbage on the ground.

01:10:59.000 How about in New Jersey, off the coast of New Jersey, they want to build?

01:11:03.000 The people are going crazy not to build them.

01:11:06.000 But where you have them, the whales are washing up on shore.

01:11:09.000 So in 50 years, they had one whale come ashore.

01:11:13.000 Now they had like 18 come in the last year.

01:11:15.000 What is happening with the whales?

01:11:18.000 I've read about this.

01:11:19.000 Well, they say that the wind drives them crazy.

01:11:21.000 You know, it's a vibration because you have those.

01:11:23.000 You know, those things are 50-story buildings, some of them.

01:11:25.000 Right, and they're super sensitive to vibrations and sounds.

01:11:29.000 You know, the wind is rushing, the things are blowing, it's a vibration, and it makes noise.

01:11:34.000 You know what it is?

01:11:35.000 I want to be a whale psychiatrist. 0.66

01:11:36.000 It drives the whales frickin' crazy. 0.98

01:11:40.000 And something happens with them.

01:11:42.000 But for whatever reason, they're getting washed up on shore.

01:11:47.000 Conveniently ignored by the environmental people.

01:11:49.000 Yeah, but the environmentalists, they don't talk about it.

01:11:50.000 I think there's nothing uglier.

01:11:52.000 I see it in Scotland, I see it all over the world.

01:11:55.000 You have this beautiful valley.

01:11:57.000 It's been there for, you know, in civilization thousands of years, but millions of years.

01:12:02.000 And all of a sudden you have these ugly windmills up.

01:12:05.000 Would your plan to be replaced that with nuclear?

01:12:07.000 What would you do?

01:12:08.000 Well, nuclear is bad.

01:12:09.000 I mean, I think there's a little danger in nuclear.

01:12:11.000 But, you know, we had some really bad nuclear.

01:12:14.000 They did one in Alabama.

01:12:15.000 They did one in, I think, South Carolina.

01:12:19.000 They do them wrong.

01:12:20.000 They build these massive things.

01:12:22.000 Then the environmentalists get in.

01:12:25.000 I don't want to go into a long story because it's too long for the show.

01:12:28.000 This show is too valuable to talk about concrete.

01:12:30.000 But they have hardened concrete.

01:12:31.000 It's number 12 concrete.

01:12:33.000 It's harder than steel.

01:12:34.000 It's incredible.

01:12:35.000 They put up a wall and an inspector comes along and goes, nope, nope.

01:12:39.000 You're a quarter of an inch.

01:12:40.000 The wall might be eight feet wide.

01:12:43.000 You're a quarter of an inch too short.

01:12:45.000 I'm sorry.

01:12:45.000 You've got to rip down the wall because it's got to be poured contiguously, right?

01:12:49.000 You're one quarter of an inch, I'm sorry, ripped down.

01:12:52.000 You can't rip it down.

01:12:53.000 This stuff, you can't put a hammer through it.

01:12:55.000 You can't.

01:12:55.000 It's incredible.

01:12:57.000 Concrete technology is unbelievable, you know, what's happened.

01:13:00.000 You think of concrete.

01:13:01.000 So you think that's an example of overregulation?

01:13:04.000 Pointless overregulation.

01:13:04.000 Well, you have an inspector that comes along and he says, take down a $25 zillion.

01:13:09.000 Well, these things ended up costing $25 billion.

01:13:13.000 And one of them never got opened.

01:13:15.000 But here's the story, so...

01:13:17.000 France does it. 0.55

01:13:18.000 France is largely nuclear.

01:13:21.000 And they build small, little, compact plants.

01:13:24.000 And if they need more, they build the same thing and they hook it up.

01:13:27.000 And they hook it up.

01:13:28.000 Because they get too big and too complex and too expensive.

01:13:32.000 And it is very clean.

01:13:34.000 They say it's absolutely...

01:13:37.000 You know, my uncle, I had a great uncle who was a great genius, just like...

01:13:41.000 Other members of my family.

01:13:43.000 But he was a professor at MIT for, I think, 41 years.

01:13:49.000 He was the longest...

01:13:50.000 When I was in the White House, the head of MIT, Princeton, and Harvard came down to meet me.

01:13:55.000 And the MIT person said, I have a book on your uncle, Dr. John Trump.

01:14:00.000 He was our longest-serving professor.

01:14:02.000 He was a great genius, sir.

01:14:03.000 Do you know how...

01:14:04.000 And he had...

01:14:05.000 He knew everything about nuclear...

01:14:08.000 From math to chemistry to nuclear, he knew it.

01:14:11.000 And he said, someday it's going to be the way to go, but the problem is it's so dangerous in terms of war.

01:14:18.000 He said, Donald, someday—and this was a longtime Uncle John, Dr. John Trump—he said, someday you'll have a little satchel at your side, and you'll go into a building, and you'll be able to blow up New York City.

01:14:32.000 I said, Uncle John, that'll never happen.

01:14:34.000 He's right.

01:14:35.000 You know, he's right.

01:14:36.000 Well, that was part of the problem with giving nuclear power to other countries, right?

01:14:41.000 Like, that was the problem that happened with India and Pakistan.

01:14:43.000 They got nuclear power, and then they were able to weaponize it.

01:14:47.000 The biggest problem in the world today is not global warming.

01:14:50.000 It's nuclear warming. 1.00

01:14:52.000 And we have idiots that are negotiating for us. 1.00

01:14:56.000 We have a guy that doesn't make it past 4 o'clock. 1.00

01:14:59.000 And it's not because of age, you know?

01:15:01.000 I know so many guys in their late 80s and they're better than...

01:15:04.000 I said to one guy the other day, I think you're smarter than you were 25 years ago.

01:15:07.000 I've known him a long time.

01:15:09.000 He's 89 years old.

01:15:10.000 He's sharp.

01:15:11.000 I mean, he's great.

01:15:13.000 Biden gives people a bad name because that's not an old, that's not an age.

01:15:18.000 I think they say it because I'm three or four years younger.

01:15:20.000 You know, I think that's why they say it.

01:15:22.000 They say his age, it's not his age.

01:15:23.000 He's got a problem.

01:15:24.000 He's had two major brain surgeries.

01:15:26.000 He did, he did.

01:15:27.000 Those are not good operations.

01:15:29.000 And do you see what he did today?

01:15:31.000 He went, rotted towards the camera and made some apology to Native Americans.

01:15:36.000 And he said that's why he's headed out west.

01:15:38.000 Like, he's off the reservation, so to speak, for lack of a better term.

01:15:43.000 You know, it's interesting because during the debate, I was looking over.

01:15:49.000 I'm saying, hmm, this is strange.

01:15:50.000 It's just sort of like strange things were happening.

01:15:53.000 Yeah.

01:15:53.000 Well, he couldn't keep it together, but do you think they knew he couldn't keep it together?

01:15:57.000 I think so.

01:15:57.000 Do you think that they wanted—is that why, like, historically that debate was earlier than they've been in the past, right?

01:16:03.000 Yeah.

01:16:04.000 I think they wanted to...

01:16:05.000 Well, there's a lot of theories.

01:16:06.000 A lot of people said, do the debate now and we'll get him out.

01:16:09.000 Right.

01:16:10.000 I think that maybe could be...

01:16:11.000 Well, that is what happened.

01:16:14.000 I think they also said, do the debate now and get it over with.

01:16:17.000 Right.

01:16:18.000 I don't think anybody thought he was going to get out, really.

01:16:21.000 That didn't make any sense.

01:16:22.000 The debate got him out, but I think it's very unfair.

01:16:25.000 Look, you have a bad debate.

01:16:27.000 His numbers went down.

01:16:29.000 But I think she's not doing very well right now.

01:16:31.000 And I think she looks...

01:16:33.000 Well, I want to get to that too because it's hard to know.

01:16:36.000 Like the whole poll thing is very bizarre for most people because most people don't answer polls.

01:16:40.000 So they read the polls and they're like, who's getting polls?

01:16:42.000 I've never been polled.

01:16:43.000 If I did, I'd hang up.

01:16:44.000 I was never called by a poll system.

01:16:45.000 If I did, I wouldn't answer.

01:16:46.000 I'm busy.

01:16:47.000 You know how polls are done?

01:16:48.000 Oh, I'm going to get myself in trouble.

01:16:51.000 So I really don't believe too much in them.

01:16:54.000 Well, 2016 taught a lot of people about the ineffective use of polls.

01:16:57.000 Well, they were very ineffective because I thought I was doing well.

01:16:59.000 I'd go to a place and I'd have 30, 40,000 people.

01:17:03.000 Hillary would go, they have 500 people, and they'd tell me I'm going to lose.

01:17:06.000 I said, why am I going to lose?

01:17:07.000 I had 40,000 people.

01:17:08.000 She had 200 people.

01:17:10.000 But, you know, I have a theory.

01:17:11.000 These polls say they charge you a lot of money, too. 0.99

01:17:13.000 You know, they charge you half a million bucks to do some stupid poll, and they interview like 251 people. 0.99

01:17:19.000 I don't think they interview them in many cases. 0.99

01:17:21.000 I don't want to get myself in too much trouble. 1.00

01:17:23.000 You think it's bullshit? 1.00

01:17:24.000 No, I think they sit there. 1.00

01:17:25.000 They make a deal.

01:17:26.000 They get a half a million bucks and they say, Trump's leading 51 to 49. They announce it and everybody says, oh, do you understand?

01:17:33.000 Yeah.

01:17:34.000 I don't think they – I think in a lot – look, I'm a very common sense person.

01:17:40.000 I think that they probably don't always poll.

01:17:43.000 Some of them probably never, Paul.

01:17:47.000 What's the difference between 49 to 51 and 47 and a half?

01:17:51.000 Well, it's also a tiny percentage of the population.

01:17:54.000 I don't think it's representative of the overall population.

01:17:58.000 I just don't think it is.

01:17:58.000 I don't know of one person in my whole life that ever got called by a pollster.

01:18:02.000 Exactly.

01:18:03.000 That's my point.

01:18:04.000 So...

01:18:05.000 Here's my question.

01:18:07.000 But I shouldn't say that because I'm doing really well in the polls now.

01:18:10.000 But I think that's— So this week I happen to believe in a verse.

01:18:12.000 I only believe if they're good.

01:18:14.000 No, I like them this month.

01:18:17.000 But no, I honestly believe that there's probably a lot of fraud.

01:18:20.000 I had a poll, Washington Post, ABC, in the Hillary thing on Wisconsin. 0.60

01:18:25.000 They had me down 17 points the day before the election.

01:18:29.000 I knew it was wrong because I had a rally.

01:18:31.000 I had 29,000 people at a racetrack and it was like zero degrees, Wisconsin.

01:18:36.000 And they had me down 17 points.

01:18:38.000 In other words, you had no chance.

01:18:40.000 And I won.

01:18:41.000 And I called up my pollsters, good guy, good guy.

01:18:45.000 And I believe he's legitimate.

01:18:47.000 And some of them are, some of them are.

01:18:49.000 I said, tell me, why did they have me down so much?

01:18:52.000 I mean, nobody's going to believe them the next time.

01:18:55.000 They said they don't care.

01:18:56.000 When you're down 17 points, people are going to stay home.

01:18:59.000 They're not going to vote.

01:19:00.000 Because they're going to say, I love Trump, but I'm not going to waste my time.

01:19:03.000 It's cold out.

01:19:04.000 I said, but what do they make at 4 or 5?

01:19:06.000 He said, at 4 or 5, they're going to go and vote.

01:19:09.000 At 17, they're not going to go and vote.

01:19:11.000 This is the Washington Post, ABC poll.

01:19:15.000 I was down 17 points in Wisconsin, and I won.

01:19:19.000 It's crooked stuff.

01:19:21.000 There's a lot of crooked stuff, and I wanted to talk about that, too, because one of the things that people talk about with you is the denial of the results.

01:19:30.000 I think J.D. Vance did a brilliant job the other day when he was being interviewed, and they asked him, did Trump lose the 2020 election?

01:19:37.000 And he turned it around and said, was there legitimate election interference in suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story on social media?

01:19:47.000 And was that a concerted effort?

01:19:50.000 Well, they say it made 10-point difference, and I lost by one-tenth of a point.

01:19:56.000 They say it was 22,000 votes, but look, it was much more than that.

01:20:01.000 And I appreciate J.D. Van saying that.

01:20:02.000 And by the way, I think he was a great pick.

01:20:05.000 Do you like J.D. as a kid?

01:20:06.000 I like him a lot.

01:20:07.000 You're allowed to say that?

01:20:08.000 No, I do.

01:20:09.000 I like him a lot.

01:20:09.000 No, I think he's good.

01:20:09.000 I think he's a brilliant guy.

01:20:11.000 And I think his ability to talk like a normal human being.

01:20:14.000 You did my friend Theo Vaughn's podcast.

01:20:16.000 Right.

01:20:17.000 And he just did it.

01:20:17.000 How did he do with it?

01:20:18.000 He did great.

01:20:19.000 He just talks like a normal human being.

01:20:21.000 Is that why you called me to do this?

01:20:22.000 Is that why you called me to do this?

01:20:23.000 No, no.

01:20:25.000 I was...

01:20:25.000 He was a nice guy.

01:20:26.000 Once they shot you, I was like, he's got to come in here.

01:20:28.000 It's all about timing.

01:20:30.000 It's all about the timing.

01:20:31.000 Timing's good.

01:20:31.000 I think timing's perfect.

01:20:32.000 Do you even have a scar on your ear?

01:20:33.000 You got anything on there?

01:20:34.000 I do.

01:20:35.000 What do we say?

01:20:36.000 So, right over here.

01:20:38.000 Oh, it's a tiny little mark.

01:20:40.000 It zicked right there. 0.97

01:20:43.000 It healed up pretty fucking good. 0.98

01:20:45.000 Yeah, it's pretty good, yeah. 0.75

01:20:46.000 It's not like some of the wrestlers, some of the UFC fighters.

01:20:51.000 No, you didn't get cauliflower here.

01:20:52.000 No, it was sort of like a top shot.

01:20:55.000 Mm-hmm. 1.00

01:20:55.000 The point of the bullet was all of the ass. 1.00

01:20:57.000 But you see, the thing's taken off a little bit. 0.99

01:21:01.000 But it makes me a tougher guy.

01:21:03.000 You know, the fighters love their...

01:21:06.000 You know Bo Nickel?

01:21:07.000 He's a great fighter.

01:21:08.000 Yeah, I love Bo Nickel.

01:21:09.000 How's he going to do?

01:21:09.000 I think he's terrific.

01:21:10.000 He's great.

01:21:10.000 He's a fantastic fighter.

01:21:11.000 He was almost like undefeated in college.

01:21:13.000 Yeah, he's a fantastic wrestler and one of the best mixed martial artists.

01:21:16.000 When is he fighting again?

01:21:17.000 He's fighting in Madison Square Garden in November.

01:21:20.000 Oh, that's going to be an inch after the election.

01:21:22.000 Yep.

01:21:23.000 So I'll either go as president or I'll be depressed and I won't bother going.

01:21:28.000 Yeah, I think they're having a fight right after.

01:21:30.000 One of the things that was fascinating also was the denial of the election results is a pretty common thing.

01:21:36.000 Hillary Clinton famously denied that she called you an illegitimate president and she said that Russia put you in place.

01:21:42.000 Even though she conceded.

01:21:43.000 Yes.

01:21:44.000 You know, she conceded the night of the election because she was beaten.

01:21:47.000 Yes, and it was a thing that was pretty common for people, especially Democrats, to deny the elections.

01:21:55.000 There's been many of them, the Bush administration, the dangling chads, all that stuff.

01:22:00.000 Well, look at these guys in Congress, all these sleazebags in Congress that are Democrats.

01:22:04.000 They're still denying 2016. But now they don't so much because, you know, they try and pin it on me.

01:22:11.000 You don't hear them say, but they denied it right up until the end.

01:22:13.000 My point is, this idea of election fraud is a forbidden topic, and you get labeled an election denial.

01:22:21.000 It's like being labeled an anti-vaxxer if you question some of the health consequences that people have had from the COVID-19 shots.

01:22:27.000 Oh my God, you're an anti-vaxxer.

01:22:30.000 If you say, and what I say publicly, and I've said this a lot, It's not zero percent.

01:22:36.000 So if you ask me, what is the amount of election fraud in this country?

01:22:39.000 Is it zero percent?

01:22:41.000 No one thinks it's zero percent.

01:22:42.000 I've never met one person, not a super liberal, progressive, far left person or a right wing conservative.

01:22:51.000 Not one person thinks it's zero percent.

01:22:53.000 They think when you have human beings and also you have a lot of weirdness that was going on during the 2020 elections, particularly with mail-in ballots.

01:23:02.000 And you had legislatures that had to approve, and they didn't approve, and they went out and did it anyway.

01:23:09.000 And you had old-fashioned ballot screwing.

01:23:12.000 I mean, you have people going up and dropping in phony votes.

01:23:17.000 You had unsigned ballots, etc., etc.

01:23:19.000 There's certain people that think that they have...

01:23:21.000 And the rhetoric is also that you're Hitler, and that in order to stop Hitler, you have to do whatever it takes.

01:23:27.000 That was okay, yeah.

01:23:28.000 Yeah, and this is—I mean, you're hearing this now.

01:23:30.000 Kamala compared you to—said your love of Hitler yesterday.

01:23:34.000 You know, Kamala's a very low IQ person. 1.00

01:23:37.000 She's a very low IQ. You know, I'm for taking tests, too. 0.76

01:23:40.000 I think anybody that runs for president should take—they should give them tests.

01:23:44.000 And it's not an age thing.

01:23:45.000 It's not based—if you look back on history, 70s and 80s, some of your greatest leaders in the world—world history, long-time world history— They were in their 70s and their 80s.

01:23:57.000 But I think you should take cognitive tests.

01:23:59.000 I think everybody – they say it's unconstitutional.

01:24:02.000 But I think Kamala should have a test because there's something missing. 1.00

01:24:06.000 There's something wrong with her.

01:24:07.000 Well, I think it's pressure.

01:24:08.000 I think the pressure and the scrutiny – you've been a celebrity for a long time and you understand what this is like.

01:24:13.000 But for someone who's in her late 40s, who becomes the vice president, who runs for president, becomes the vice president, And then, all of a sudden, the weight of the world is on your shoulders, and there's all these people paying attention.

01:24:24.000 A lot of people clam up.

01:24:25.000 But you either have it or you don't.

01:24:27.000 Correct.

01:24:27.000 Look, this is an interview.

01:24:30.000 We've covered a lot of territory, right?

01:24:31.000 And, you know, it's fine.

01:24:33.000 I don't care.

01:24:34.000 I want to.

01:24:35.000 I think it's much more interesting.

01:24:37.000 To do an interview with Anderson Cooper, A softball, crazy softball interview.

01:24:45.000 She took two days off and she studied and studied all day long and then she comes out with a result that was a real embarrassment.

01:24:51.000 That was a really bad interview.

01:24:53.000 She couldn't answer a question and every question is not answered.

01:24:57.000 I mean, like what would you do your first day in office?

01:25:00.000 Okay, I'll build a wall.

01:25:01.000 I won't build a wall.

01:25:02.000 There's a hundred things you can say.

01:25:04.000 Just say anything, right?

01:25:06.000 There's something off with her.

01:25:09.000 We're dealing with the smartest people.

01:25:12.000 They hate when I say, you know, when I call President Xi, they said, he called President Xi brilliant.

01:25:17.000 Well, he's a brilliant guy.

01:25:18.000 He controls 1.4 billion people with an iron fist.

01:25:20.000 I mean, he's a brilliant guy, whether you like it or not.

01:25:23.000 And they go crazy.

01:25:25.000 Right.

01:25:25.000 It doesn't mean he's not evil or it doesn't mean he's not dangerous.

01:25:29.000 But actually, we have evil people in our country.

01:25:33.000 Yes.

01:25:33.000 If you have a smart president, he can deal with Russia.

01:25:35.000 He can deal with all of it.

01:25:38.000 Russia would have never gone into Ukraine if I were president.

01:25:41.000 How would you have stopped it?

01:25:43.000 Automatic, two things, I told him.

01:25:45.000 I said, Vladimir, you're not going in.

01:25:47.000 I used to talk to him all the time.

01:25:49.000 You're not going in.

01:25:50.000 I can't tell you what I told him, because I think it would be inappropriate, but someday he'll tell you.

01:25:56.000 But he would have never gone in.

01:25:57.000 But you know why else he wouldn't have gone in?

01:25:58.000 Oil prices at $40 a barrel wouldn't have allowed him, wouldn't have given him the money to prosecute that war.

01:26:05.000 Wouldn't have given him the money.

01:26:07.000 I said it with President...

01:26:09.000 I was with President Xi.

01:26:10.000 I said it was almost the same conversation.

01:26:14.000 With Vladimir, it was Moscow.

01:26:17.000 With President Xi, it was Beijing.

01:26:20.000 It was almost the exact same conversation.

01:26:23.000 I said, don't do it.

01:26:24.000 He would have never done it.

01:26:25.000 The day I left, they flew 28 bombers over the middle of Taiwan.

01:26:30.000 28 bombers.

01:26:31.000 And it's the apple of his eye and the same thing with Russia. 0.63

01:26:35.000 It's the apple.

01:26:36.000 Ukraine is the apple of his eye.

01:26:37.000 I used to talk to him.

01:26:38.000 I had a very good relationship with him.

01:26:40.000 He wouldn't have done it.

01:26:42.000 He would have never done it.

01:26:43.000 But he also wouldn't have done it because of the...

01:26:45.000 You know, one of the reasons that what happened is, number one, he doesn't respect Biden at all.

01:26:51.000 Not even a little bit.

01:26:52.000 And who the hell would?

01:26:53.000 But he doesn't respect him.

01:26:55.000 But when he saw what happened in Afghanistan, how horribly that was handled, Number one, you take the soldiers out last, not first.

01:27:02.000 Okay, that was their big mistake.

01:27:04.000 And we had that thing charted out, and they weren't obeying us.

01:27:07.000 They weren't...

01:27:08.000 Abdul is the head of the Taliban.

01:27:11.000 Boom, boom.

01:27:11.000 He had to do all these things.

01:27:13.000 Some he didn't do.

01:27:14.000 I said, nope.

01:27:15.000 You're not doing...

01:27:15.000 You got to do them all.

01:27:17.000 This guy took...

01:27:18.000 He immediately took all...

01:27:20.000 He left the equipment behind.

01:27:22.000 Thirteen soldiers dead, but he took everybody out.

01:27:24.000 He took his soldiers out before.

01:27:27.000 A child would know. 1.00

01:27:28.000 That's why Milley was so stupid. 1.00

01:27:30.000 He was such a stupid guy, Milley. 1.00

01:27:32.000 Okay, those generals should have all been fired. 1.00

01:27:36.000 The people that were involved with Afghanistan should have all been fired. 1.00

01:27:41.000 Then they'd be writing books about him, how stupid he was and how bad he was. 1.00

01:27:44.000 But you take your soldiers out last. 1.00

01:27:48.000 I had a big rally and I saw a child in the front row about a year and a half ago and I called the child up.

01:27:55.000 I said, do you mind if I borrow your child?

01:27:57.000 Oh yes, please.

01:27:59.000 And they came up, kids five years old.

01:28:00.000 I gave them quick details, you know.

01:28:02.000 I said, we want to get out of this place and we have this and we have this and we have the equipment.

01:28:06.000 I gave them a little thing.

01:28:07.000 I said, do you take your soldiers out first or last after everything's done?

01:28:13.000 You take them out last, sir, a child would know that.

01:28:17.000 We took our soldiers out first.

01:28:19.000 What was your plan?

01:28:20.000 And we left Bagram.

01:28:22.000 Well, not only that, we left billions of dollars worth of equipment and military vehicles that they use for parades now.

01:28:29.000 The best equipment, yeah, to embarrass us, the best equipment in the world.

01:28:33.000 The Taliban parade where they've got tanks rolling down the streets and Blackhawks flying is the craziest thing I've ever seen. 0.96

01:28:39.000 The fact that we left all that stuff there.

01:28:40.000 We left the best equipment in the world behind.

01:28:43.000 What would you have done differently?

01:28:45.000 Well, number one, we would have taken it out.

01:28:47.000 Just so you go back a little bit further, I had a couple of conversations with Abdul.

01:28:53.000 And from the time I had those conversations, because they were shooting our soldiers, you know, with the sniper stuff.

01:28:58.000 They were shooting a lot of them.

01:29:00.000 They were shooting a lot with Obama, much less with me, but they were shooting them.

01:29:04.000 And I said, get this guy on the phone.

01:29:07.000 The press went nuts when they heard this.

01:29:09.000 I had a great conversation with him.

01:29:11.000 It was a tough conversation.

01:29:13.000 Eighteen months later, there wasn't one soldier that was ever shot at. 0.99

01:29:17.000 And even Biden admitted it in a moment of stupidity because he shouldn't admit it. 1.00

01:29:20.000 His people went nuts. 1.00

01:29:21.000 He said, yeah, well, I will admit no soldier.

01:29:24.000 We didn't have a soldier killed in 18 months in Afghanistan.

01:29:29.000 Not one soldier was killed because he understood what was going to happen if that happened.

01:29:36.000 I didn't have one soldier.

01:29:37.000 Then when I left...

01:29:39.000 After having gotten more votes than any sitting president in the history of the country and much more votes than he got in 2016. When I left, they started shooting our soldiers.

01:29:50.000 But more importantly, what they did is they did that whole thing with, you know, leaving.

01:29:56.000 He shouldn't have left.

01:29:57.000 Number one, should have left from Bagram because Bagram is this massive base.

01:30:01.000 It's got tremendous acreage around it.

01:30:03.000 Tremendous.

01:30:04.000 It's a very big...

01:30:05.000 It was built many years ago.

01:30:07.000 And part of the reason you wouldn't have taken that is because it goes to China.

01:30:10.000 One hour from where China makes its nuclear missiles, you should have never left Bagram. 0.66

01:30:17.000 Number one.

01:30:18.000 They should have left from Bagram. 0.76

01:30:20.000 They should have left last.

01:30:22.000 They should have gotten...

01:30:23.000 You know, we have Americans that are still there.

01:30:25.000 They should have taken all their equipment out.

01:30:27.000 Everything should...

01:30:28.000 Every plane, every screw should have been taken out.

01:30:31.000 Every tent.

01:30:32.000 And I said that... 0.99

01:30:33.000 That's when I realized that Millie was a dummy. 1.00

01:30:35.000 I said... 0.63

01:30:36.000 We're leaving, but I want to get everything out.

01:30:38.000 Sir, it's cheaper to leave it.

01:30:40.000 I said, what do you mean to leave it?

01:30:42.000 Yeah, he said it's cheaper to leave it.

01:30:44.000 Cheaper?

01:30:44.000 Cheaper.

01:30:45.000 He said it's cheaper.

01:30:46.000 Not more dangerous.

01:30:48.000 He just said cheaper.

01:30:49.000 I said, I want every plane.

01:30:51.000 I want every tank.

01:30:52.000 I want the goggles.

01:30:53.000 They have night goggles.

01:30:54.000 They have all this stuff that these guys now have.

01:30:57.000 He said, sir, it's cheaper to get out and leave it.

01:31:00.000 I said, so you think it's cheaper to leave a $150 million brand new airplane in there than it is to fly it out with a tank of jet fuel and put it in Pakistan or just fly it directly back?

01:31:12.000 It's cheaper to live. 0.99

01:31:14.000 I said, this guy's nuts. 1.00

01:31:15.000 I'm telling you, he was so stupid. 1.00

01:31:17.000 He was so unwise. 1.00

01:31:19.000 He was like an unwise man.

01:31:21.000 And there were a number of them.

01:31:23.000 But I defeated ISIS with the greatest generals.

01:31:26.000 I had a guy who was so great. 1.00

01:31:28.000 I flew to Iraq and I met the real generals, not these idiots that we deal with. 0.99

01:31:36.000 And we knocked out, you know, I defeated 100% of the ISIS caliphate. 1.00

01:31:41.000 They said it would take five years.

01:31:43.000 I did it in a matter of a few, literally a few weeks.

01:31:47.000 And we hit them hard. 0.96

01:31:49.000 And he said, sir, we're gonna hit him here, we're gonna hit him there, we're gonna hit him here, there. 0.97

01:31:53.000 And I said, this guy's great. 0.88

01:31:55.000 I like this guy.

01:31:56.000 I was told it would take five years.

01:31:58.000 That's why I went.

01:31:59.000 I said, how could it take five years?

01:32:01.000 We have brand new fighters.

01:32:02.000 We have the best planes, the best weapons, the best guns, the best bombs.

01:32:06.000 How could it possibly take that long?

01:32:09.000 And I flew to...

01:32:11.000 I flew and left at 3 o'clock in the morning.

01:32:14.000 Nobody knew where I was going.

01:32:15.000 I got on Air Force One and we started flying.

01:32:19.000 And when we reached about half an hour away from Iraq, that was where the airport was, big airport, about a half an hour away, they said, sir, I'm sorry, you'll have to turn off all your lights.

01:32:30.000 Why?

01:32:31.000 We're getting close to our site.

01:32:33.000 I said, you mean we spent $8 trillion and we can't leave the lights?

01:32:37.000 Think of this.

01:32:39.000 Twenty years, eight trillion dollars that we can't leave the lights on in a plane.

01:32:43.000 I said, that's okay.

01:32:44.000 Turn the lights on.

01:32:45.000 I'm not going to fight them.

01:32:46.000 This is because it's too dangerous?

01:32:48.000 Yeah, too dangerous because they see the light up in the air.

01:32:50.000 They'll shoot at it.

01:32:52.000 So I said, turn the lights off.

01:32:55.000 Then they said, sir, we're going to also pull your shades if that's okay.

01:32:57.000 I said, that's okay.

01:32:58.000 The plane was pitch black.

01:33:00.000 All the lights outside, you know, the blinking reds, they were all turned off.

01:33:05.000 And I like to sit with pilots a lot of times, and these guys are specimens.

01:33:09.000 I always say they're better looking than Tom Cruise, okay?

01:33:14.000 And they're even taller, like perfect specimens.

01:33:18.000 These guys, like for a fighter, you know, you have some guys that are perfect specimens.

01:33:23.000 And, you know, they pick the best pilots in the Air Force, United States Air Force, to fly Air Force One.

01:33:29.000 And I get up there, and I'm feeling my way up.

01:33:34.000 You know, it's up high at 747, so you go through the stairs, but I sort of knew my way up.

01:33:38.000 There wasn't a light in the plan.

01:33:40.000 I'm saying, can you imagine?

01:33:42.000 We spent trillions of dollars.

01:33:45.000 We're trying to fly in blind.

01:33:47.000 But I got into the plane.

01:33:49.000 The cockpit is dark black.

01:33:51.000 Little tiny light.

01:33:52.000 You could see the pilot.

01:33:54.000 A perfect looking human being.

01:33:56.000 His co-pilot.

01:33:56.000 Everybody was perfect.

01:33:57.000 They were all like movie stars.

01:33:59.000 You know, it's like I could have cast a movie with these guys and nobody would believe it because they were too good looking.

01:34:04.000 So I said, how are we doing, Captain?

01:34:06.000 I said, we'll be landing in 10 minutes.

01:34:08.000 And I look outside.

01:34:09.000 There's not a light.

01:34:10.000 You know, I've landed a lot of planes.

01:34:13.000 And you see, like, little lights, at least.

01:34:16.000 There's nothing.

01:34:17.000 It's just pure desert.

01:34:20.000 And I said, okay, Captain, good, but I'm looking.

01:34:24.000 You've been in many planes where it has the computer sign saying 1,000 feet.

01:34:28.000 It goes 1,000 feet.

01:34:32.000 900. 800. It's a computer voice, but it sounds like it's an incredible voice.

01:34:38.000 700. I say, Captain, are we okay?

01:34:41.000 I'm looking.

01:34:42.000 Are we okay, Captain?

01:34:43.000 There's no lights.

01:34:44.000 And I'm looking, you know, normally when you land a plane, because I sit with Pauls a lot.

01:34:48.000 I think it's great.

01:34:48.000 I think it's a great profession, everything.

01:34:50.000 They're incredible.

01:34:51.000 These machines are incredible.

01:34:53.000 He said, sir, we're fine.

01:34:55.000 No problem, sir.

01:34:56.000 I said, you know, I don't see the lights up there, Captain.

01:35:00.000 Sure, we're okay, you know.

01:35:02.000 So, I mean, I'm exaggerating a little bit.

01:35:04.000 You know, the problem with exaggerating is they'll tell the story. 0.99

01:35:07.000 They'll say, Trump was a coward. 0.99

01:35:08.000 So I'm sitting with him, he goes, 500. And I'm telling you, there wasn't a light on the runway. 0.99

01:35:16.000 Nothing.

01:35:17.000 And we're going in.

01:35:19.000 You okay, Captain?

01:35:20.000 Everything good?

01:35:21.000 Yes, sir.

01:35:21.000 No problem.

01:35:22.000 We'll be down in about one minute, sir.

01:35:24.000 And I'm telling you, Joe.

01:35:27.000 You know, there's always a light.

01:35:29.000 There's not a little pin.

01:35:31.000 And all of a sudden, and you hear, wah, wah, perfect landing like glass.

01:35:37.000 That's how good...

01:35:38.000 I mean, these guys, between the equipment and the...

01:35:40.000 It's genius.

01:35:41.000 It's pure...

01:35:42.000 It was so dark, you couldn't see a thing.

01:35:45.000 There was no runway.

01:35:46.000 You wouldn't know where the hell you are.

01:35:47.000 You're in the middle of a desert.

01:35:49.000 And then I got out of the plane.

01:35:51.000 I said, thank you, Captain.

01:35:52.000 It's a great job.

01:35:57.000 A general and another general.

01:35:59.000 And I see a staff sergeant, a drill sergeant, and various guys.

01:36:04.000 All central casting.

01:36:06.000 Central casting.

01:36:08.000 They said, sir, would you like to rest?

01:36:10.000 I said, I don't want to rest.

01:36:11.000 I wanted to figure out what the hell are we doing with ISIS. I'm hearing it's going to take years. 0.98

01:36:16.000 No, sir, we can do it very quickly, sir.

01:36:19.000 Anyway, we go into the room.

01:36:22.000 I mean, Biden would have taken a nap for four days and then left without a meeting.

01:36:26.000 So we go into the room, and they have these guys.

01:36:29.000 I say, how long can you do it?

01:36:31.000 How long?

01:36:31.000 We can do it in a couple of weeks, sir.

01:36:34.000 I said, wait a minute, they told me five years.

01:36:36.000 We can do it in, I don't know, he gave me a number, like in no time.

01:36:42.000 I said, why haven't you done it?

01:36:44.000 Because the orders...

01:36:46.000 Came in from Washington, sir, and they would come here and tell us what to do.

01:36:49.000 Don't you challenge us?

01:36:50.000 We're not allowed to do that, sir.

01:36:52.000 That's not the military way.

01:36:53.000 They tell us what to do and we have to respect them.

01:36:56.000 So do you think that it was incompetence why they didn't go after ISIS? I think it's a bad system.

01:37:02.000 You know, when Mattis goes there or when Milley goes there, who's stupid, and they tell these guys that are actually smart what to do, And the guys that are smart are saying we don't like what they're doing, but they're not allowed to sort of counteract. 0.99

01:37:14.000 Plus, the guys that went there are arrogant. 1.00

01:37:16.000 You know, they're arrogant fools. 1.00

01:37:18.000 They're like stupid fools. 1.00

01:37:20.000 The way they pulled out of, you know, the way they, as an example, the way they pulled out of Afghanistan with the people falling off the planes. 1.00

01:37:28.000 It was so, it was worse than Vietnam with the helicopters falling.

01:37:32.000 It was so bad.

01:37:34.000 There was no reason for it.

01:37:36.000 Anyway, so we knocked them out, and I mean, we have great military, we have great people, but not the television guys.

01:37:44.000 And I rebuilt the military, and then they gave a chunk of it.

01:37:47.000 As much as it is, it's a tiny little piece, believe it or not.

01:37:53.000 I rebuilt the military, I rebuilt our nuclear, and in a way I hated to redo it, but I got to realize how powerful that nuclear is, Joe.

01:38:04.000 One bomb...

01:38:05.000 Israel is gone, but forget. 1.00

01:38:07.000 One bomb could take out the entire East Coast.

01:38:10.000 It's so bad. 0.96

01:38:12.000 And I watched these poor fools talking about our oceans will rise one-eighth of an inch over the next 500 years. 0.96

01:38:19.000 I mean... 0.97

01:38:21.000 We have people, we have countries, right now you have five countries, and don't underestimate North Korea.

01:38:28.000 If you take a look at North Korea, I was there.

01:38:31.000 I mean, I was with Kim Jong-un.

01:38:33.000 I had a great relationship.

01:38:33.000 I got along great with him.

01:38:35.000 You know, the press says, he got along great.

01:38:36.000 That's a good thing.

01:38:37.000 It's not a bad thing.

01:38:38.000 It's a great thing.

01:38:39.000 Obama thought we were going to go to war with North Korea.

01:38:42.000 When I met with Obama just prior to the takeoff, you know, you meet, you have sort of a ceremonial meeting.

01:38:48.000 But it lasted a long time, a lot longer than it was supposed to last.

01:38:51.000 I said, what's the biggest problem?

01:38:52.000 He said, North Korea.

01:38:54.000 By the time I finished, we had no problem with North Korea.

01:38:59.000 It was a little tough at the beginning, remember?

01:39:02.000 He said, I have a red button on my desk.

01:39:05.000 I said, I have a red button also, but mine's bigger than yours and mine works.

01:39:10.000 I liked how you called him Little Rocket Man. 0.98

01:39:11.000 I said, yeah, Little Rocket Man, you're going to burn in hell. 0.98

01:39:16.000 And it was a rough... 0.99

01:39:17.000 Yeah.

01:39:18.000 Oh, so rough that people were worried.

01:39:20.000 This is crazy.

01:39:20.000 And then one day, I got a call.

01:39:22.000 Sort of like a fight.

01:39:24.000 I got a call.

01:39:25.000 You know, you ever see one of them pounding?

01:39:27.000 And then all of a sudden...

01:39:28.000 But I got a call.

01:39:30.000 And it was from him, meaning his people.

01:39:32.000 They wanted to meet.

01:39:33.000 They wouldn't meet Obama.

01:39:35.000 He tried to meet.

01:39:36.000 They wouldn't even talk to him about it.

01:39:38.000 And I think he expected to go to war.

01:39:40.000 I actually do.

01:39:41.000 I believe he expected to go.

01:39:43.000 And we checked their nuclear stockpile.

01:39:45.000 It is substantial.

01:39:47.000 I said, do you do anything?

01:39:48.000 I got to know him very well.

01:39:50.000 I got to know him better than anybody.

01:39:52.000 Anybody.

01:39:54.000 And I said, do you ever do anything else?

01:39:55.000 Why don't you go take it easy and relax?

01:39:57.000 Go to the beach.

01:39:58.000 You have beautiful beach, nice beachfront property.

01:40:01.000 You know, kiddingly.

01:40:02.000 I said, you're always building nuclear.

01:40:04.000 Just relax.

01:40:05.000 You don't have to do it.

01:40:06.000 Let's build some condos on your shoreline. 0.85

01:40:08.000 They actually have gorgeous stuff.

01:40:10.000 And he said, I just have to do it because I need it for my safety, etc.

01:40:15.000 I got to know him very well.

01:40:16.000 We had no problem with him.

01:40:18.000 If you have a smart problem, if you have a smart, really the right president, a smart president, you're not going to have a problem.

01:40:25.000 And I say it to people.

01:40:27.000 We have a bigger problem, in my opinion, with the enemy from within.

01:40:31.000 And it drives them crazy when I use that term.

01:40:33.000 But we have an enemy from within.

01:40:35.000 We have people that are really bad people.

01:40:38.000 That I really think want to make this country unsuccessful.

01:40:42.000 When you look at what's happening at our border, Joe, when you have people coming in that when other countries are allowed to empty their prisons into our country with murderers, we had 13,099 murderers dropped in our country over the last three years.

01:40:58.000 And 15,000 rapists.

01:41:00.000 Convicted.

01:41:01.000 Rapists?

01:41:02.000 Yeah.

01:41:02.000 Drug dealers?

01:41:03.000 Drug lords?

01:41:04.000 And that's just the ones that have been accounted for.

01:41:06.000 Terrorists?

01:41:07.000 Correct. 0.81

01:41:07.000 People from mental institutions. 0.81

01:41:09.000 What do you think this strategy is?

01:41:11.000 Hundreds to hundreds of thousands of major criminals.

01:41:15.000 Tougher and worse than anybody we have.

01:41:18.000 We're seeing the consequences of it.

01:41:19.000 In San Antonio, they've taken over apartment buildings.

01:41:22.000 In Aurora, Colorado, they've taken over apartment buildings.

01:41:24.000 These Venezuelan gangs. 0.98

01:41:25.000 Just the beginning.

01:41:26.000 What do you think the strategy is?

01:41:29.000 You know, one of the things that they've said is that you stopped a bill from being passed.

01:41:36.000 But didn't that bill also include amnesty for the people that are already here?

01:41:40.000 Yeah, this is years after the fact.

01:41:43.000 The damage was already done.

01:41:45.000 But what was the bill?

01:41:46.000 Well, the bill was nothing.

01:41:47.000 It allowed two million people in.

01:41:49.000 They were going to get amnesty.

01:41:50.000 It was a horrible bill.

01:41:52.000 It didn't protect us at all.

01:41:54.000 But we should just tell people what the strategy is.

01:41:57.000 So one of the things that's been very clear is that they've moved a large percentage of these migrants that are coming across the border illegally, they've moved them to swing states.

01:42:10.000 This is what's going on with Springfield, Ohio, right?

01:42:12.000 They're in swing states.

01:42:13.000 Well, that's not a swing state.

01:42:14.000 I'm going to win Ohio by a lot.

01:42:16.000 So that's not a swing state.

01:42:17.000 But it's called Springfield, Ohio to be exact.

01:42:20.000 And Springfield, Ohio is this very nice community of 52,000 people that just had 32,000 migrants that don't speak the language dropped into their community.

01:42:34.000 You can't get into a hospital.

01:42:36.000 You can't get into a school.

01:42:38.000 It's gone from a beautiful little place to a horror show.

01:42:42.000 And the mayor is a nice guy.

01:42:44.000 And the mayor says, we're looking for interpreters.

01:42:47.000 I said, no.

01:42:49.000 You've got to remove them and bring them back to their country. 1.00

01:42:51.000 Mostly Haitians in this case. 0.97

01:42:53.000 But they speak no language.

01:42:56.000 They speak no English.

01:42:58.000 In fact, even the language they do speak, I mean, they can't get interpreters.

01:43:01.000 They can't do anything.

01:43:02.000 And the mayor's trying to be politically correct.

01:43:04.000 They're all trying to be.

01:43:05.000 In Aurora, Colorado, you have the worst, probably the worst gang.

01:43:11.000 MS-13 might even be, you know, those two are the worst gangs.

01:43:14.000 These are Venezuela gangs.

01:43:15.000 They have taken over apartment complexes, and they're going to want to take over the whole thing. 0.99

01:43:21.000 And you have a weak governor, a pathetic governor, who's a radical left Democrat. 0.99

01:43:26.000 He doesn't know what the hell to do. 0.99

01:43:28.000 But you have it in many other communities, but they don't like to talk about it because it's bad for the community to talk about it. 1.00

01:43:35.000 These people have been let in here by this imbecile. 1.00

01:43:40.000 I mean it. 1.00

01:43:41.000 She's a low IQ person. 1.00

01:43:44.000 Low IQ. But it's also obviously not just her. 0.87

01:43:47.000 There's a strategy that's involved in letting these people in.

01:43:50.000 Well, she was in charge of the border.

01:43:51.000 Well, she's in charge of the border, but they also utilize that app.

01:43:55.000 The app that used to be used, I think essentially, wasn't it for shipping?

01:43:59.000 Wasn't it when people were in this country?

01:44:01.000 It was used for shipping and now it's used to deal with the cartels.

01:44:05.000 The cartel, heads of the cartel, rich people by the way, these are loaded.

01:44:10.000 These people have so much money.

01:44:11.000 They would call up, think of this, they call up the app and the app tells them where they should take their load of illegal migrants from the Congo.

01:44:23.000 You know, we have a lot from the Congo.

01:44:24.000 Prisons in the Congo.

01:44:27.000 I made a little bit of a sarcastic joke.

01:44:29.000 A man named Dana White, who you love, who I love.

01:44:32.000 I assume you love him.

01:44:33.000 Love that dude.

01:44:34.000 I think he's in a class.

01:44:36.000 He's probably the reason why you're here.

01:44:39.000 I don't know, maybe.

01:44:41.000 He's one of the big ones.

01:44:42.000 He is the greatest guy.

01:44:43.000 You know, I always say, nobody's indispensable.

01:44:47.000 You know, everybody can be replaced.

01:44:48.000 Maybe you can't be.

01:44:49.000 You might not be.

01:44:50.000 But, Dana, I truly, I don't think, you know, he sold it for $4 billion.

01:44:55.000 I said, what a hell.

01:44:57.000 Who the hell is going to pay $4 billion?

01:45:00.000 And they made like a great deal because of him.

01:45:04.000 Take him out.

01:45:04.000 I think it's a whole different.

01:45:05.000 No, he's the best fight promoter of all time.

01:45:07.000 He's also the greatest guy.

01:45:08.000 He spoke at the whole thing with, you know, I had just been shot and he got up and he spoke so better than anybody.

01:45:15.000 I mean, who would be better to introduce you?

01:45:18.000 I asked of all the people, and I know the biggest people in the world, and they all would have loved to have done it.

01:45:23.000 I said, Dana, would you do it?

01:45:24.000 You know, it was interesting.

01:45:25.000 He was away.

01:45:27.000 And he said to the people that, you know, one of my guys called, said, I won't be able to do it.

01:45:32.000 Gee, I just left with my wife and family.

01:45:35.000 I said, he said, no, yeah.

01:45:37.000 I was a little surprised, even though I knew he was very far away.

01:45:39.000 He was in some place, you know, and he deserved it with his family, you know, the whole thing.

01:45:44.000 And then I said, all right.

01:45:46.000 And so we're looking, who are we going to get?

01:45:48.000 And all of a sudden she comes in.

01:45:50.000 Sir Dana White just said he's going to do it, and he's coming back in tonight.

01:45:54.000 He's taking it.

01:45:54.000 You know, the guy is just an incredible guy, and he's like a tough champion, but loyal.

01:46:01.000 Yeah, he's got to be one of your favorite people.

01:46:04.000 He's one of my favorite people.

01:46:04.000 I love him to death.

01:46:05.000 I've been friends with him for 23 years.

01:46:07.000 I love him to death.

01:46:08.000 So would you have—because what you're doing here is incredible.

01:46:12.000 I mean, everybody tells me, all I know is today I'm going— You know, you're on Joe Rogan today.

01:46:17.000 People are telling me, like, I said, how the hell do you know that?

01:46:20.000 But it's sort of, what you've done here is amazing.

01:46:24.000 Where would you be if you didn't do the UFC stuff?

01:46:26.000 Would you have this show, do you think?

01:46:28.000 Yeah, I would still be doing it, for sure.

01:46:29.000 Yeah.

01:46:30.000 Would it be at the same level?

01:46:32.000 I don't know.

01:46:33.000 It's hard to know.

01:46:35.000 I think, you know, one of the things that works for this show, I guess, is that I'm involved in so many different things.

01:46:40.000 You know, stand-up comedy, UFC, and all the interests that I have that lead to the podcast.

01:46:45.000 Will you always want to do...

01:46:47.000 First of all, you love UFC. I love it, yeah.

01:46:49.000 You love the fights.

01:46:50.000 I mean, I watch you.

01:46:51.000 You are loving it.

01:46:52.000 They could pay you nothing.

01:46:53.000 You'd be very...

01:46:54.000 They didn't pay me anything for the first, like, 13 shows.

01:46:56.000 I did it for free because they were hemorrhaging money.

01:46:58.000 And I became friends with Dana.

01:47:00.000 And my position was, you're going to give me the best seat in the house.

01:47:04.000 I get to sit cage-side for the fights.

01:47:06.000 I'll do it.

01:47:07.000 And I wanted to help.

01:47:08.000 I was like, I think these are the guys that we had always hoped for.

01:47:11.000 In the early days of the sport, I started working for the company in 1997. Before the UFC was purchased by Zufo, which Dana worked for.

01:47:19.000 So I was a part of the previous owners.

01:47:21.000 And I only did it for a couple of years.

01:47:23.000 It was just too much and I was losing money.

01:47:24.000 And it was banned from cable because of Budweiser and John McCain.

01:47:29.000 And you could only get it on DirecTV.

01:47:31.000 And then I came along and I gave him the sights.

01:47:33.000 You did.

01:47:34.000 And he loves you for that.

01:47:34.000 And he never forgot it.

01:47:35.000 He loves you for that.

01:47:36.000 He talks about it all the time.

01:47:37.000 Just to interrupt you for one second.

01:47:40.000 They couldn't get a sight because it was too dangerous and everybody was against it and they couldn't get a license.

01:47:45.000 And I gave them the first two or three sights.

01:47:48.000 And they were great.

01:47:49.000 And by the way, I went to the first fight.

01:47:52.000 I said, I never saw anything like this.

01:47:53.000 It was crazy.

01:47:54.000 It was so good.

01:47:55.000 Take the best fight you've ever seen.

01:47:56.000 It was like that fight, right?

01:47:58.000 It was so good that I gave it to him again and all of a sudden it caught on.

01:48:02.000 But you know, when I wasn't in vogue, you know, I've had time, you probably never had a time, but I had times when I wasn't exactly in vogue.

01:48:11.000 Dana, they called him.

01:48:12.000 He said, he's the greatest guy.

01:48:13.000 There's nobody like him.

01:48:15.000 He said, I'll never say anything bad about that guy because when I needed...

01:48:20.000 Because they were having a hard time at the beginning.

01:48:22.000 They almost pulled the plug a couple of times, right?

01:48:24.000 He said he stood up and he gave us stuff that nobody else gave us and nobody wanted anything to do.

01:48:30.000 And he said...

01:48:32.000 I will never.

01:48:33.000 And there was a time where it would have been very popular for him to say bad stuff about me.

01:48:38.000 He said the greatest stuff about me.

01:48:40.000 He said, you're going to try and get me to say bad stuff about Trump?

01:48:43.000 I'm never doing it.

01:48:44.000 No, he's a very, very, very loyal guy.

01:48:46.000 Very unusual guy.

01:48:48.000 He's a fantastic guy.

01:48:49.000 A perfect guy to be at the helm of something so controversial as the UFC. Less controversial now.

01:48:54.000 Well, now it's huge.

01:48:55.000 Yeah.

01:48:55.000 Well, this was always the thing that I would hope that it would be.

01:48:58.000 I always knew that it was unbelievably entertaining, but I just didn't know if maybe I was crazy.

01:49:02.000 Maybe I loved it because I've had this long history of being involved in martial arts and maybe like other people who just think it's too violent.

01:49:09.000 Can boxing make it?

01:49:10.000 Yeah.

01:49:11.000 Boxing is still a great sport.

01:49:12.000 I love boxing.

01:49:13.000 But it seems to be...

01:49:15.000 So unimportant now by comparison to UFC, don't you think?

01:49:18.000 I think, well, you know, Dana is working with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

01:49:23.000 They're going to start promoting boxing now.

01:49:26.000 And with Dana at the helm of it, I think boxing can return because the thing is they want to make fights.

01:49:32.000 That maybe, you know, promoters don't want to make because they want to protect their fighter.

01:49:36.000 Controversial fights where, you know, it's dangerous.

01:49:38.000 Like, you don't know this guy could lose.

01:49:40.000 And so the Saudis, they're smart.

01:49:42.000 They just offer a tremendous amount of money.

01:49:44.000 And they're putting together fights that no one else can put together.

01:49:47.000 They're doing that in boxing.

01:49:48.000 If Dana's involved, he'll probably make it good.

01:49:51.000 You know the amazing thing, though, in fighting?

01:49:54.000 No UFC fighter, they say, has ever died.

01:49:57.000 And it looks to me much more violent than boxers.

01:50:00.000 Many boxers have died.

01:50:01.000 Isn't it interesting?

01:50:02.000 And Dana tells me because they take so many shots to the face.

01:50:05.000 Yes.

01:50:05.000 And there's also no other options to preserve yourself, to protect yourself.

01:50:09.000 So if you get hit in a UFC fight, you can clinch.

01:50:11.000 You can try to take the fight to the ground.

01:50:13.000 You get options.

01:50:14.000 You don't get allowed to get knocked down and then get back up.

01:50:17.000 When you get knocked down, you're concussed.

01:50:19.000 And generally, you know, if a guy's really hurt, they can be finished on the ground and the fight's over.

01:50:24.000 If it's boxing, you have ten seconds to get up.

01:50:27.000 You get up, your head kind of clears, but you're still in real bad trouble, and you can kind of run away and survive until the bell rings.

01:50:35.000 They're only three-minute rounds, and then you start again.

01:50:37.000 So you're getting repeated punishment to the head.

01:50:40.000 And then there's also the issue of guys' weight cutting, which is a problem with the UFC as well.

01:50:45.000 But weight cutting in boxing has led to, if you look at deaths in boxing, there's very few of them in the heavyweight division.

01:50:51.000 Most of the deaths in boxing are the lighter weight divisions.

01:50:53.000 Because when guys dehydrate themselves to lose weight, to make weight, their brain is the last thing that gets rehydrated.

01:51:01.000 Like, it's very difficult to completely rehydrate your brain quickly.

01:51:06.000 And you only have 24 hours between the weigh-in and the fight.

01:51:08.000 And it used to be the weigh-ins were the day of the fight.

01:51:11.000 Like when Boom Boom Mancini had a fight with Dukku Kim and killed him in the ring, which is one of the last ones on television that we've seen.

01:51:18.000 That's right.

01:51:19.000 That was a crazy event for people and heartbreaking.

01:51:22.000 And it led to a bunch of different changes.

01:51:23.000 One of them is day before weigh-ins to allow people to rehydrate better.

01:51:27.000 And the other one is they dropped it from 15 rounds down to 12. Which, look, they should do that again.

01:51:33.000 You know, I'm not the fighter, but those 15-round fights were unbelievable.

01:51:37.000 They were unbelievable.

01:51:38.000 Unbelievable.

01:51:39.000 Yeah, you go back to the golden age.

01:51:40.000 Yeah, in terms of entertainment, those were the championship rounds.

01:51:44.000 Those were the greatest fights ever.

01:51:46.000 Those last three rounds were crazy.

01:51:48.000 That was brutal.

01:51:49.000 I mean, it's such a war of attrition.

01:51:50.000 You know, a lot of people think even like a five-round UFC fight.

01:51:54.000 UFC is five-minute rounds.

01:51:56.000 It's so much energy you're burning out.

01:51:58.000 And those last couple of rounds, those five-round fights, the fourth and the fifth round, unbelievably brutal.

01:52:03.000 Who's the greatest UFC fighter, are you allowed to say, in your opinion?

01:52:07.000 It's tough for you to say because you do this, but who do you think is the greatest of the fighters?

01:52:11.000 There's a lot of arguments for who's the greatest of all time.

01:52:15.000 You know, Jon Jones, most people would say he's the greatest of all time, never lost.

01:52:22.000 There's certainly a really good argument for that.

01:52:24.000 There's another argument for George St. Pierre.

01:52:26.000 I always leave in BJ Penn in his prime, Anderson Silva in his prime, you know, Mighty Mouse.

01:52:33.000 People forget about Mighty Mouse because, unfortunately, he's a smaller guy.

01:52:36.000 He's 125 pounds, flyweight champion.

01:52:38.000 He's one of the greatest expressions of mixed martial arts I've ever seen.

01:52:42.000 I think to this day it's probably...

01:52:44.000 Khabib was fantastic.

01:52:45.000 But if you looked at accomplishments in terms of championship fights, Khabib retired 29-0, but he didn't have as many world championship fights.

01:52:52.000 And probably never lost a round.

01:52:53.000 He might have lost to Gleason Tebow.

01:52:56.000 He might have lost to him.

01:52:57.000 A round.

01:52:57.000 He might have lost a round.

01:52:58.000 And that was a controversial fight where people think that Gleason Tebow could have even got the decision in that fight.

01:53:04.000 I'd have to go back and watch it again to make a decision.

01:53:07.000 They're great athletes, too.

01:53:08.000 Oh, the best athletes in the world.

01:53:09.000 And the most dangerous sport in terms of like, I always call it high-level problem solving with dire physical consequences.

01:53:18.000 That's what fighting is.

01:53:20.000 You know, I'll never forget, so there was a fighter named James Tony.

01:53:24.000 Oh yeah, I love James Tony.

01:53:25.000 He fought as a very light fighter and he ended up as a heavyweight.

01:53:29.000 This guy went through everything.

01:53:30.000 He was almost like a lightweight.

01:53:31.000 He went from middleweight all the way up to heavyweight.

01:53:34.000 And beat Evander Holyfield as a heavyweight.

01:53:36.000 And he was a real fighter.

01:53:37.000 Oh yeah.

01:53:37.000 So James Toney, and I think it was, say, George...

01:53:42.000 George St-Pierre?

01:53:43.000 St-Pierre.

01:53:44.000 I think it was him.

01:53:45.000 Who did he fight?

01:53:46.000 James Toney?

01:53:47.000 No, James Toney didn't fight George St-Pierre.

01:53:49.000 He fought a UFC fighter.

01:53:51.000 Yeah, Randy Couture fought James Toney.

01:53:53.000 Was it Randy Couture?

01:53:54.000 But that was like an easy fight.

01:53:55.000 That was a very easy fight.

01:53:56.000 Randy Couture just took him down and strangled him.

01:53:58.000 And he's half the size.

01:54:00.000 And he just, once he got to the ankles, in fact, the announcer said, it's over.

01:54:04.000 Yeah, he ankle-picked him, took him down, mounted him, strangled him.

01:54:07.000 It was pretty quick.

01:54:08.000 But he was talking big, because he was much bigger.

01:54:10.000 He was a pretty big guy.

01:54:11.000 I think James just wanted to make some money in that fight.

01:54:13.000 You think so?

01:54:14.000 Yeah.

01:54:14.000 But I never forgot it.

01:54:15.000 I don't think he knew what he was doing.

01:54:16.000 It was over very quickly, and he was lying, sleeping on the mat, and he was talking.

01:54:20.000 He was doing the Muhammad Ali stuff, but it didn't work out.

01:54:23.000 He sold the fight.

01:54:24.000 Yeah, that was Couture probably.

01:54:25.000 Yeah, it was Couture.

01:54:26.000 George never fought a boxer in an MMA fight. 0.99

01:54:29.000 If he did, he would kill them.

01:54:30.000 Was he one of the greatest? 1.00

01:54:32.000 Yes, unquestionably.

01:54:33.000 That's the argument.

01:54:35.000 There's like a handful of guys you can make.

01:54:36.000 The argument is the greatest of all time.

01:54:38.000 People forget about Anderson Silva.

01:54:39.000 In his prime, he was unstoppable.

01:54:42.000 Anderson Silva?

01:54:43.000 And then there's Fedor Emelianenko, who fought in pride.

01:54:45.000 In his prime, he was unstoppable.

01:54:47.000 And you have a couple now that are pretty good.

01:54:49.000 We've got so many now.

01:54:51.000 Alex Pereira.

01:54:52.000 There's an argument that he's the top pound-for-pound fighter in the world right now.

01:54:55.000 He's looking very good, yeah.

01:54:56.000 He's unbelievable.

01:54:58.000 But it's like fighters can only compete at that level for so many years.

01:55:01.000 And so my opinion, you have to judge them at their very peak.

01:55:05.000 You can't judge them when they're hanging on and still fighting.

01:55:07.000 You can't judge them when they're coming up.

01:55:09.000 You got to judge them in that championship peak.

01:55:12.000 In that championship peak, there's a handful of guys that you would consider at the very top.

01:55:17.000 If they stopped a little bit sooner, some of them would have had, you know, I mean, there are a couple that you just mentioned without mentioning names.

01:55:24.000 If they stopped, they had the perfect, they were unbelievable, and then at a certain age, they start getting knocked out, right?

01:55:30.000 Yes, it's unfortunate, but the thing is that same belief in themselves that lets them become a champion makes them think that they can do it long past the time that they actually can.

01:55:38.000 Well, Anderson Silva was essentially unbeatable, and then he lost a close one, and then all of a sudden...

01:55:44.000 No, he got knocked out.

01:55:44.000 He got knocked out by Chris Weidman.

01:55:46.000 Right.

01:55:46.000 He was kind of clowning in that fight, famously, and Chris Weidman had a vicious left hook, knocked him out, and then they fought a second time, and he broke his leg on Chris Weidman.

01:55:55.000 Right, that's right.

01:55:55.000 And after that fight, he was kind of never the same, because that leg break injury, which Conor McGregor had, there's quite a few fighters, Weidman actually wound up having the same injury, ironically.

01:56:07.000 There's only been like four of those.

01:56:08.000 You're never the same, because you can't kick.

01:56:09.000 Never the same.

01:56:10.000 Well, you can.

01:56:11.000 Weidman is still kicking with that leg.

01:56:13.000 You can, but psychologically, when you throw a kick and your leg snaps in half and you're in agony for a year, right, you have to get surgery, you have to get bolts and plates to keep your leg together, and then it takes forever for it to heal.

01:56:25.000 It always amazed me how the kicker...

01:56:27.000 I mean, you have those cases, but the kicker will do tremendous damage to somebody's leg, but their leg doesn't seem to get damaged.

01:56:35.000 Isn't it sort of amazing?

01:56:36.000 It does get damaged.

01:56:36.000 It hurts.

01:56:37.000 More than you think.

01:56:37.000 Yeah, but your shin gets very numb after a while.

01:56:41.000 And guys that are really good kickers, they're kicking the thigh, and they're kicking the calf, they're kicking soft areas, and they're slamming this hard, numb shin off.

01:56:50.000 Their shin gets all these, like, micro-fractures all over the shin and it calcifies.

01:56:56.000 Like, these guys can kick baseball bats.

01:56:58.000 You ever see them break baseball bats with their shins? 0.83

01:57:00.000 It's crazy.

01:57:01.000 Some guys can do two baseball bats.

01:57:02.000 Someone will hold the baseball bat and they'll just kick right through them.

01:57:05.000 But see, I want your enthusiasm now, right?

01:57:07.000 Yeah.

01:57:08.000 And it's like, that's why you're good at it.

01:57:11.000 Nobody does this better.

01:57:12.000 Without the enthusiasm, forget it.

01:57:15.000 Well, it has to be authentic.

01:57:16.000 I mean, the only reason why I do MMA commentary is because I'm very interested in it, for real.

01:57:22.000 I don't have to manufacture it.

01:57:24.000 I'm very interested.

01:57:25.000 And you love going in there after the fight and they're sweating all over you.

01:57:29.000 They're slopping all over you.

01:57:30.000 You're beautiful.

01:57:31.000 They bleed on me.

01:57:31.000 They're bleeding on me.

01:57:32.000 Sometimes their nose is being spoiled.

01:57:33.000 Does that bother you a little bit?

01:57:34.000 No.

01:57:34.000 Like two weeks ago, I never saw it.

01:57:37.000 Khalil Rountree, yeah.

01:57:39.000 More stuff came out of his nose?

01:57:41.000 Yes, it was pretty nasty.

01:57:42.000 But no, I'm very used to it.

01:57:44.000 I just wanted him to be able to express himself.

01:57:46.000 You've done a great job.

01:57:47.000 Thank you.

01:57:48.000 You've done a great job.

01:57:49.000 So, back to you.

01:57:52.000 First of all, I love this idea of you teaming up with Robert Kennedy.

01:57:56.000 Right.

01:57:57.000 And I love this Make America Healthy Again idea because there are chemicals and ingredients that are in our food that are illegal in other countries because they've been shown to be toxic. 0.66

01:58:08.000 There's pesticides and herbicides and there's a lot of shit that's been sprayed on our food that really is unnecessary and there's a lot of health consequences that people are suffering from a lot of these things.

01:58:21.000 I've read this chart for you. 0.98

01:58:22.000 Beautiful.

01:58:23.000 Because I had a feeling you'd be asking me.

01:58:24.000 Thank you.

01:58:25.000 Look at this chart.

01:58:26.000 These are healthier countries.

01:58:27.000 Look where the United States is.

01:58:29.000 I'm going to send this to RFK Jr. I was actually talking to RFK today, and he told me that more than 70% of young men are ineligible for the military because of their health.

01:58:45.000 I could see it.

01:58:46.000 That's crazy.

01:58:46.000 A lot of it's obesity.

01:58:48.000 So here's the life expectancy versus health expenditure.

01:58:51.000 Same chart.

01:58:52.000 Yeah.

01:58:53.000 Did you see that?

01:58:53.000 USA. Wow.

01:58:54.000 That's pretty good.

01:58:55.000 Jamie's the best.

01:58:56.000 He's very good.

01:58:57.000 He's the best.

01:58:58.000 But look at that.

01:58:59.000 Look at the USA. Not good.

01:59:01.000 And that's our food.

01:59:02.000 That's our diet.

01:59:03.000 That's sedentary lifestyle.

01:59:04.000 That's our diet.

01:59:05.000 That's the chemicals we ingest. 0.97

01:59:07.000 That's what that is.

01:59:08.000 But RFK is going to be very, you know, I think he's a great guy.

01:59:12.000 I love the fact that you guys teamed up.

01:59:14.000 And are you guys, are you completely committed to have him a part of your administration?

01:59:18.000 Oh, I am.

01:59:19.000 But the only thing I want to be a little careful about with him is...

01:59:22.000 The environmental.

01:59:24.000 Because, you know, he doesn't like oil.

01:59:25.000 I love oil and gas.

01:59:27.000 Just keep him out of that.

01:59:28.000 So I'm going to sort of keep him out of it.

01:59:30.000 I said, focus on health.

01:59:32.000 You can do whatever you want.

01:59:34.000 But I've got to be a little bit careful with the liquid gold.

01:59:37.000 I understand.

01:59:39.000 But listen, there's plenty of good work that could be done if you focus on health.

01:59:42.000 Here's the one that's my all-time favorite, though.

01:59:45.000 What is that?

01:59:45.000 See the arrow right here?

01:59:47.000 That's what I left.

01:59:47.000 Do you have anyone that is pressuring you to not work with him?

01:59:52.000 Have there been...

01:59:53.000 To not work with who?

01:59:54.000 RFK Jr. Yes.

01:59:56.000 Yes, I would imagine.

01:59:58.000 Because financially, he could put a dent.

02:00:00.000 I would say that...

02:00:03.000 I think in many ways they've done a good job.

02:00:05.000 In many ways they've done a bad job.

02:00:07.000 But I would say that the big pharma wasn't thrilled when they heard that, you know, I have a relationship.

02:00:14.000 I've actually always gotten along very well with him.

02:00:16.000 I've known him a long time.

02:00:18.000 He's a different kind of a guy.

02:00:19.000 He's a very smart, great guy.

02:00:21.000 And he's very sincere about this.

02:00:23.000 I mean, he really is, you know, he thinks we spend a fortune on pesticides and all this stuff and then you end up with...

02:00:29.000 That chart is a terrible chart, the one previous...

02:00:32.000 It's such a bad chart when you look at where we are compared to other countries that don't spend 10 cents.

02:00:38.000 So, you know, and you save a lot of money.

02:00:39.000 But, yeah, I've had some people that aren't exactly thrilled.

02:00:43.000 You can imagine, right?

02:00:45.000 Sure.

02:00:45.000 It's a good question, actually.

02:00:46.000 Well, certainly if there have been...

02:00:48.000 It doesn't affect me.

02:00:50.000 Some pharmaceutical drugs that have been prescribed that have negative consequences that these people have been profiting off of.

02:00:56.000 And then you have a guy like RFK Jr. who spends an enormous amount of time highlighting those things.

02:01:01.000 You could see how they'd be very reluctant to have you support him.

02:01:04.000 I would say that's an understatement.

02:01:06.000 Yeah.

02:01:07.000 So what do you do to stop that from getting in the way?

02:01:10.000 Well, look, they've come up with some amazing things.

02:01:14.000 I mean, I don't know how you feel.

02:01:15.000 I know you're against certain vaccines, but like the polio vaccine, people had polio.

02:01:21.000 It was like a disaster.

02:01:24.000 And they came up, Dr. Salk, and he came up with a vaccine, and there's no polio.

02:01:29.000 Now, very interesting, there hasn't been polio, but now in the Gaza Strip, can you believe that?

02:01:33.000 Have you heard that?

02:01:34.000 There's been a big strain of polio coming out in the Gaza Strip.

02:01:38.000 Is it vaccine-derived polio?

02:01:40.000 Because, you know, there's a strain of polio that comes directly from the vaccine, because unfortunately, sometimes when you vaccinate people for polio, you actually give them polio.

02:01:47.000 Yeah.

02:01:49.000 I mean, all I can do is I sit down and I listen to him and I'll give it a total.

02:01:54.000 I would love him to be right because if he's right, it's a lot less expensive, generally speaking.

02:01:59.000 There's two things that people point to when they point to the dangers of the pharmaceutical drug industry.

02:02:07.000 One thing is when pharmaceutical drugs were allowed to advertise on television.

02:02:11.000 We're only one of two countries in the world that allow pharmaceutical drugs to advertise on TV. The other one's New Zealand, but they're more restrictive than we are.

02:02:20.000 But those ads, those ads, when you hear like, you know, take a certain drug.

02:02:23.000 And then you hear all the consequences.

02:02:25.000 And then you say, it causes cancer and baldness.

02:02:27.000 We don't like baldness.

02:02:28.000 Suicidal ideation.

02:02:29.000 And they said that and eyesight, and you can lose your vision.

02:02:31.000 Yeah.

02:02:31.000 And you know, I just, I actually asked one of these guys, I would never take, I mean, it causes things that are so bad.

02:02:37.000 They go through a whole list.

02:02:38.000 I guess they save some liability, but man, I said, does that affect the purchase?

02:02:43.000 They say it really does.

02:02:46.000 When there's something you have and you read and then they go through the list of...

02:02:50.000 Side effects.

02:02:51.000 The potential side effects.

02:02:54.000 I mean, a lot of people are just...

02:02:57.000 I ask that question.

02:02:58.000 People hear that.

02:02:59.000 When I hear it, I'm going to take a pass.

02:03:02.000 It says, may affect your vision, may cause blindness.

02:03:06.000 Yes.

02:03:07.000 Well, I know you're aware of Kaly and Casey Means, right?

02:03:09.000 Yes.

02:03:10.000 Well, one of the things that they pointed out, and this is a very important thing for people to understand, is what a lot of these drugs do is they act to somehow or another mitigate the effects of poor metabolic health.

02:03:25.000 But most of these problems that these people are suffering from wouldn't exist if we put an emphasis on metabolic health.

02:03:31.000 If people got healthier, they started eating nutritious food and taking vitamins, a whole host of these problems that people are having would go away.

02:03:40.000 And the problem with that from the pharmaceutical drug standpoint is they wouldn't be able to sell drugs to these people.

02:03:45.000 And this is a fear that a lot of people have.

02:03:48.000 And the pesticides and things like that on the plants, what do you think of that?

02:03:51.000 It's terrible.

02:03:52.000 Well, I think regenerative agriculture, unfortunately, is very difficult to scale to a point where you've got a jack-in-the-box on every corner.

02:03:58.000 If everybody wants food, and we have food deserts, and we have places like Los Angeles where no one's growing anything, and everything has to be shipped in, it's very difficult to feed that many people.

02:04:09.000 We've created this incredible society where we have these enormous cities, but it's in It's very difficult to get food to these people.

02:04:16.000 And then for a lot of these people in low-income areas, the only food that's available is cheap, unhealthy food.

02:04:22.000 And we could fix that.

02:04:25.000 If we could send $175 billion to Ukraine, we could do something to fix a lot of the health problems that the United States has.

02:04:32.000 And I think it would help us as a nation overall.

02:04:36.000 If you just put it out there that, hey, as a nation, we're going to make a concerted effort to get people healthier.

02:04:42.000 Just put it out there.

02:04:51.000 Yeah.

02:05:02.000 No, it's genetics, I believe.

02:05:04.000 You know, I'm a big believer.

02:05:04.000 Genetics is a big factor.

02:05:05.000 I really am.

02:05:06.000 I mean, my father was...

02:05:09.000 Unfortunately, it is a big factor for health.

02:05:11.000 Some people are just way more robust.

02:05:13.000 But you do play golf a lot, and that is exercise.

02:05:16.000 Both of my parents.

02:05:17.000 For me, it's good.

02:05:18.000 Fresh air.

02:05:19.000 It really is.

02:05:20.000 You're outside.

02:05:22.000 Even mentally, you're focused on that three-footer.

02:05:24.000 For a couple of hours, you're not.

02:05:26.000 And I go quick.

02:05:27.000 I play fast, real fast.

02:05:29.000 And I'm in, I'm out.

02:05:30.000 But, you know, it gives me...

02:05:31.000 I was never one that could, like, run on a treadmill.

02:05:35.000 And I can do it.

02:05:35.000 You know, when passing a physical, they ask me to run on a treadmill.

02:05:39.000 And then they make it steeper and steeper and steeper.

02:05:43.000 And the doctor said it was at Walter Reed.

02:05:45.000 They said, it's unbelievable.

02:05:48.000 I'm telling you, I felt I could have gone all day.

02:05:51.000 But I said, Doc, I can do this all day long.

02:05:54.000 I have no problem.

02:05:55.000 But it's boring to me.

02:05:57.000 Do you understand?

02:05:58.000 It's just boring.

02:05:58.000 Golf's exciting.

02:05:59.000 But I did it for so long.

02:06:01.000 They couldn't believe it that I did it.

02:06:03.000 You know, I don't do it.

02:06:05.000 I have friends running this stuff all day long.

02:06:07.000 But I had no problem doing it.

02:06:09.000 But it's really boring.

02:06:11.000 So with golf or something, you know, or tennis or whatever.

02:06:15.000 Golf, as you get older, there's something really good about it.

02:06:18.000 And you have competition with your friends.

02:06:20.000 Competition, concentration, focus.

02:06:22.000 And it's a great handicap sport.

02:06:23.000 And it's also a thing, I think, that cleans your mind.

02:06:27.000 Because when you're looking at a shot, that's all you can think of when you're executing.

02:06:31.000 It gives you a couple of hours.

02:06:32.000 You know, it's interesting.

02:06:33.000 Like with tennis, if you're much better than somebody, you can't really play with somebody.

02:06:38.000 You know, it doesn't work.

02:06:39.000 You can give them sort of the equivalent of strokes, right?

02:06:42.000 But it's not the same.

02:06:43.000 With golf, you can play with a lousy guy and give him a stroke a hole or two strokes a hole or something.

02:06:47.000 You know, it's a good handicapping sport.

02:06:49.000 But it gives me a little exercise.

02:06:51.000 But I haven't played in a long time.

02:06:53.000 I won 32 club championships.

02:06:56.000 Didn't you play right after you got shot?

02:06:59.000 No.

02:06:59.000 What I did is I played with Bryson DeChambeau.

02:07:03.000 Do you know Bryson?

02:07:05.000 Yes.

02:07:05.000 The pro.

02:07:06.000 He's a great player.

02:07:08.000 And we played, it was a certain thing that we played, I guess called breaking 50 or something.

02:07:13.000 50 we play from a certain tee and if you can break 50. And it got tremendous ratings.

02:07:18.000 Sort of like a crazy thing.

02:07:21.000 He's a great guy.

02:07:22.000 But wasn't that like a couple of days after you got shot?

02:07:24.000 I don't know.

02:07:25.000 I know I haven't.

02:07:26.000 That was one of the funniest things.

02:07:27.000 You were on the golf course.

02:07:28.000 I think I did.

02:07:29.000 Yeah, maybe I did.

02:07:30.000 But, you know, I view it very interestingly.

02:07:34.000 I'm running.

02:07:37.000 Of the United States.

02:07:38.000 To me, it's such a big deal.

02:07:39.000 It's so important.

02:07:41.000 What's the biggest deal in the free world?

02:07:43.000 It's a hundred times bigger than the Super Bowl.

02:07:45.000 And it's one person.

02:07:47.000 Yeah.

02:07:47.000 So you're down to two people.

02:07:50.000 And we start off at nine billion.

02:07:54.000 Because you have nine billion, they say, in the world.

02:07:56.000 Who knows what that number is.

02:07:58.000 But you get down to 350 million.

02:08:00.000 Sadly, we have no idea what we have in this country.

02:08:02.000 But let's assume it's 325, 350. And you're down to two people.

02:08:07.000 It's the biggest thing in the world.

02:08:09.000 And when I heard she took off yesterday and she took off the day before and she's going to take off tomorrow or the next day, I haven't taken a day off in 56 days.

02:08:19.000 That's a long time.

02:08:20.000 I haven't taken one day off.

02:08:22.000 I don't want to play golf.

02:08:24.000 This is too exciting.

02:08:26.000 Golf is great, but this is too exciting.

02:08:29.000 This is more exciting than anything you can do.

02:08:31.000 Also, it's the home stretch.

02:08:33.000 It's the home stretch.

02:08:35.000 Who would take a day off?

02:08:36.000 So we have 11 days left now.

02:08:39.000 And think of it.

02:08:41.000 So I think I've gone 54, 55 days in a row.

02:08:44.000 No days off.

02:08:44.000 And I make speeches oftentimes.

02:08:47.000 You know, sometimes not, but I make speeches.

02:08:49.000 And when you make a speech...

02:08:51.000 And my speeches last a long time because of the weave. 1.00

02:08:53.000 I mean, I weave stories into it.

02:08:55.000 If you don't, if you just read a teleprompter, nobody's going to be very excited.

02:08:59.000 You've got to weave it out.

02:09:01.000 But as you say, you always have to get right back to it.

02:09:04.000 Otherwise, it's no good.

02:09:05.000 But the weave is very, very important.

02:09:07.000 Very few weavers around.

02:09:10.000 It's a big strain on your, you know, it's a big, it's a lot of work.

02:09:14.000 It's a lot of work.

02:09:16.000 You've got to be careful of the voice.

02:09:18.000 You can lose that voice.

02:09:19.000 The voice wasn't designed.

02:09:20.000 I said today, so, I made a big one last night.

02:09:24.000 I was in Las Vegas.

02:09:26.000 Big one the night before in Arizona.

02:09:29.000 Big one.

02:09:30.000 I mean, they're all big.

02:09:32.000 There's never been anything like it in terms of crowd.

02:09:35.000 Never been close.

02:09:36.000 Never been close.

02:09:37.000 They say, he talks about, crowd says, you know what's very interesting?

02:09:41.000 So, we get crowds that are Really big.

02:09:45.000 And I say, you know, I've never had a story, because I don't get good press.

02:09:50.000 I don't think I've had a good story in years.

02:09:52.000 I really don't.

02:09:52.000 I swear, I don't think I, you were talking about it a little bit with Oprah.

02:09:56.000 Everybody loved me.

02:09:58.000 I don't think, I became president of the United States.

02:10:01.000 I did great the second time.

02:10:03.000 I did much better.

02:10:04.000 I don't want to get you in any disputes, but I won that second election so easy.

02:10:10.000 And not just because— But let me get to that.

02:10:12.000 I want to talk to you about that.

02:10:13.000 But here's the thing.

02:10:13.000 I did that, and now I've gotten the nomination again.

02:10:17.000 And don't forget, to get these nominations, you go against very smart people.

02:10:21.000 Ron DeSantis was hot.

02:10:22.000 Had to go through him.

02:10:24.000 Nikki Haley was hot. 1.00

02:10:25.000 Had to go through her.

02:10:27.000 Went through everybody.

02:10:28.000 Record time, right?

02:10:30.000 Record time.

02:10:30.000 I got three nominations in a row.

02:10:34.000 Won the first time.

02:10:35.000 Did much better the second time.

02:10:37.000 You know, I get millions of votes more the second time.

02:10:40.000 And now I'm doing it a third time.

02:10:42.000 And it's an incredible thing.

02:10:44.000 I never get a good story.

02:10:46.000 I only get bad press.

02:10:48.000 Now, I will say this.

02:10:49.000 It's a lot easier if you're a Democrat.

02:10:51.000 If I were a Democrat, You'd get a lot of positive press.

02:10:54.000 I would get a lot of positive press.

02:10:55.000 Yeah.

02:10:55.000 No, it's a creepy, corrupt business.

02:10:57.000 And the media, to a large extent, acts as a propaganda arm for the Democratic Party.

02:11:02.000 It's not even believable.

02:11:03.000 Yeah.

02:11:04.000 I mean, it's bizarre to watch.

02:11:06.000 And, you know, most young people, I think, are aware of it.

02:11:09.000 I think most boomers still, unfortunately, read the newspapers and believe in CNN. But it's getting younger.

02:11:15.000 Yes.

02:11:16.000 Let me tell you, it's getting, for us, a consumer.

02:11:19.000 Yes.

02:11:19.000 But you know why that is?

02:11:21.000 It's the internet.

02:11:22.000 It's because the internet's giving people information that they're not getting from anywhere else.

02:11:26.000 And the very fine people hoax, the Russiagate hoax, all these different things that they've done, they tried to pin on you.

02:11:33.000 It's a clear distortion of what you actually said.

02:11:36.000 The bloodbath hoax. 0.63

02:11:37.000 Yes.

02:11:38.000 I was talking about the auto industry.

02:11:40.000 Yes.

02:11:41.000 It's a bloodbath because Japan and China are taking our order. 1.00

02:11:46.000 And I said, it's a bloodbath.

02:11:48.000 They said, oh, he used the word bloodbath.

02:11:50.000 He said, if you don't win, it's going to be a bloodbath because they're going to take over.

02:11:53.000 That's exactly what you said.

02:11:53.000 It's a terrible thing they do.

02:11:55.000 But that's the problem with propagandists because they take things out of context and ultimately what they do is they diminish their own credibility because people don't want to listen to them anymore because they see that they've done that and they recognize what's going on and they feel insulted.

02:12:08.000 Their intelligence is getting insulted.

02:12:09.000 Well, look at the ratings.

02:12:10.000 You know, shows like yours...

02:12:12.000 So I have a son who's very smart and tall, barren, right? 1.00

02:12:17.000 And he knows all about you.

02:12:19.000 He knows about guys I'd never heard of.

02:12:22.000 He said, Dad, you don't know how big they are.

02:12:24.000 They're big. 0.86

02:12:25.000 You know, he told me how big I said, who the hell is he?

02:12:27.000 Like Ross.

02:12:28.000 He said, Dad, he's a great guy.

02:12:30.000 I mean, guys that are doing...

02:12:32.000 It's a whole new world out there.

02:12:34.000 It's a different world.

02:12:35.000 But, you know, I'm on TikTok now.

02:12:37.000 Congratulations.

02:12:38.000 And I've done really well.

02:12:39.000 No, but you know the crazy...

02:12:41.000 Have you seen the numbers?

02:12:43.000 Billions, like billions of hits.

02:12:45.000 It's crazy.

02:12:46.000 I'm sure.

02:12:46.000 TikTok's a wild application, though.

02:12:47.000 And I've gone up 30 points.

02:12:50.000 A Republican is always down 30 with young people.

02:12:54.000 I'm plus 30. And I'm on TikTok.

02:12:57.000 It's had a huge impact. 0.99

02:12:59.000 I think young people are rejecting a lot of this woke bullshit. 0.99

02:13:02.000 Young people are tired of being yelled at and scolded. 0.99

02:13:05.000 They're tired of these people that they think are mentally ill telling them what the moral standards of society should be today.

02:13:11.000 People are upset.

02:13:12.000 There's a big difference now.

02:13:14.000 But even in just a couple of years, I was shaking hands with people.

02:13:18.000 The rebels are Republicans now.

02:13:21.000 They're like, you want to be a rebel?

02:13:22.000 You want to be punk rock?

02:13:23.000 You want to buck the system?

02:13:25.000 You're a conservative now.

02:13:27.000 That's how crazy.

02:13:28.000 And then the liberals are now pro- They're pro-silencing criticism.

02:13:34.000 They're pro-censorship online.

02:13:38.000 They're talking about regulating free speech and regulating the First Amendment.

02:13:43.000 It's bananas to watch.

02:13:44.000 Joe, they come after their political opponent.

02:13:46.000 I got more guys.

02:13:48.000 I always say, you know, I kid, but I'm not kidding.

02:13:52.000 I've been investigated more than Alphonse Capone.

02:13:55.000 He was the meanest of them all. 0.90

02:13:56.000 He'd kill you in two seconds if he didn't like you, right?

02:13:59.000 I've been under investigation more than Alphonse Capone, only because it's political opponent stuff.

02:14:05.000 And I've won.

02:14:05.000 I won the big case in Florida.

02:14:07.000 I'm winning the other stuff.

02:14:09.000 You win.

02:14:10.000 But you know what they did?

02:14:11.000 They did something that's only done in third world countries.

02:14:14.000 They came after their political opponent.

02:14:16.000 I could have put Crooked Hillary in jail. 1.00

02:14:18.000 Well, not only that, but they're weaponizing it by saying that that's what you're going to do once you get in office by ignoring what they're doing right now.

02:14:26.000 It's crazy.

02:14:28.000 Somebody was defending me today.

02:14:30.000 They said, no, that's what you're doing to him.

02:14:33.000 They're going, he's going to put us in jail.

02:14:35.000 He's going to invest— That's what you're doing.

02:14:38.000 That's what you're doing to him.

02:14:39.000 Yeah.

02:14:39.000 A lot of people say, will you do that?

02:14:42.000 Will you do that to them if you win?

02:14:44.000 You know, the presidency has tremendous power.

02:14:47.000 I could have put Crooked Hillary in jail. 1.00

02:14:50.000 I respected that you didn't because what you said was it would be bad for the country.

02:14:53.000 No, I couldn't even imagine you have, first of all, Secretary of State, but more importantly, the wife of the President of the United States of America, Going into jail. 0.99

02:15:03.000 And if you ever saw, when I'd say something about her, they'd all say, I didn't say it.

02:15:07.000 I never said it.

02:15:08.000 They'd say, lock her up, lock her up. 0.70

02:15:10.000 And I'd always go, take it easy, just relax.

02:15:12.000 We're going to win this thing.

02:15:13.000 Take it easy, take it easy.

02:15:15.000 And I'm telling you, I kept it down.

02:15:17.000 Just the opposite.

02:15:17.000 Now they say, oh, Trump wanted to put her in jail.

02:15:19.000 No.

02:15:20.000 I saved her from going to jail.

02:15:23.000 They had more stuff on her. 1.00

02:15:24.000 And Comey had it, because when Comey got up, and he stupidly, because he's a stupid guy too, he goes, he's a stupid son of a bitch. 1.00

02:15:32.000 He got up, Joe, he got up, and instead of saying she's innocent of all charges, he went over each charge, and each charge was a killer. 1.00

02:15:43.000 And he'd go, and as far as her doing this?

02:15:47.000 She's innocent.

02:15:48.000 And this?

02:15:48.000 And then she's only an unfair prosecutor.

02:15:52.000 But every time you heard these charges, they sounded so bad.

02:15:56.000 They were bad.

02:15:57.000 And all it was is he wanted more airtime.

02:16:00.000 If he would have gone up and said, I've thoroughly investigated Hillary Clinton and she's done nothing that we feel is wrong, it would have ended.

02:16:11.000 Instead, he wanted to be up there because he's a PR hound. 0.98

02:16:15.000 He's a hog. 0.98

02:16:17.000 And you know what he had? 0.99

02:16:18.000 They had a huge problem because FBI is great.

02:16:22.000 The people there.

02:16:23.000 Not the top people.

02:16:25.000 The people.

02:16:25.000 The real people.

02:16:26.000 The people that work there.

02:16:27.000 It's like the real generals that I told you about that defeated ISIS in record time.

02:16:32.000 The FBI guys are great.

02:16:33.000 I'll bet you I'd be at 95% in the FBI. I bet that's right.

02:16:38.000 Underneath.

02:16:39.000 Yeah.

02:16:39.000 And so here's the thing.

02:16:40.000 So he goes with Hillary, and instead of just saying, he goes through each charge.

02:16:45.000 Right.

02:16:46.000 And even I was saying, man, those are bad charges.

02:16:49.000 Sounds terrible because he's associating her with those charges.

02:16:52.000 Don't forget, this is before I got there.

02:16:53.000 Right.

02:16:53.000 Now, he was trying to protect her, but he did her a great disservice.

02:16:57.000 Because he wanted attention.

02:16:58.000 Right. 1.00

02:16:59.000 He was stupid. 1.00

02:17:00.000 So I want to talk about 2020 because you said over and over again that you were robbed in 2020. Yeah, totally. 1.00

02:17:06.000 How do you think you were robbed?

02:17:08.000 Everybody always cuts you off.

02:17:10.000 Well, they not only cut you off.

02:17:12.000 Well, what I'd rather do is we'll do it another time.

02:17:15.000 And I would bring in papers that you would not believe.

02:17:17.000 So many different papers.

02:17:20.000 That election was so crooked.

02:17:22.000 It was the most crooked election.

02:17:24.000 Okay, but give me some examples of how.

02:17:26.000 Well, let's start on the top and the easy ones.

02:17:29.000 They were supposed to get legislative approval to do the things they did, and they didn't get it.

02:17:35.000 In many cases, they didn't get it.

02:17:37.000 What things?

02:17:38.000 Anything.

02:17:39.000 Legislative approval of...

02:17:40.000 Like for extensions of the voting, for voting earlier, for this, all different things.

02:17:45.000 By law, they had to get legislative approvals.

02:17:48.000 You don't have to go any further than that.

02:17:50.000 If you take a look at Wisconsin, they virtually admitted that the election was rigged, robbed, and stolen.

02:18:00.000 They wouldn't give access in certain areas to the ballots because the ballots weren't signed.

02:18:07.000 They weren't originals.

02:18:09.000 We could go into this stuff.

02:18:11.000 We could go into the ballots or we could go into the overall.

02:18:13.000 I'll give you another one.

02:18:14.000 Are you going to present this ever?

02:18:18.000 Let me just give you one more before... 0.99

02:18:23.000 Fifty-one intelligence agents come up that the laptop was from Russia.

02:18:30.000 It turned out to be totally false.

02:18:32.000 Fifty-one former intelligence agents, right?

02:18:34.000 They say that made...

02:18:35.000 I don't believe it's this much, but it doesn't matter.

02:18:38.000 I won by like...

02:18:39.000 I lost by like...

02:18:41.000 I didn't lose, but they say I lost, Joe, they say I lost by 22,000 votes.

02:18:46.000 That's like one-tenth of one percent less than that.

02:18:50.000 It's a tiny little thing.

02:18:52.000 22,000 votes spread over.

02:18:54.000 That spread over this period.

02:18:57.000 So, 51 intelligence agents lied.

02:19:01.000 They lied.

02:19:02.000 They lied.

02:19:02.000 They knew it was.

02:19:03.000 It was Hunter's.

02:19:04.000 It was from his bed.

02:19:06.000 It was Hunter's laptop.

02:19:07.000 They said it was created by Russia.

02:19:10.000 Russia, Russia.

02:19:11.000 It was the Russia hoax. 0.84

02:19:12.000 The Russia hoax was a big hoax. 0.76

02:19:14.000 It was all a big hoax.

02:19:16.000 Well, that's clear.

02:19:17.000 That's one example.

02:19:18.000 But that is a good example.

02:19:18.000 But that's a big example.

02:19:19.000 They say it made a 17-point difference.

02:19:22.000 That's a big example.

02:19:23.000 But that's only one.

02:19:25.000 And you could go into the ballots where they wouldn't give you access to the ballots.

02:19:29.000 You could go into the ballot harvesting.

02:19:32.000 You could go into $500 million for the lockboxes.

02:19:36.000 But just in terms of narrative, so there's two things, right?

02:19:38.000 There's the Russia hoax.

02:19:43.000 Sure.

02:19:47.000 Sure.

02:19:59.000 You're in collusion with Russia.

02:20:00.000 So that's one.

02:20:00.000 So that changes the narrative.

02:20:02.000 And then you have the 51 former intelligence agents that work with the original Twitter and get them to remove links.

02:20:09.000 You can't share it on DMs.

02:20:11.000 You cannot share that story.

02:20:13.000 They swept that story because they said it was Russian disinformation, even though they knew it was not.

02:20:18.000 So that's two examples that are real examples.

02:20:22.000 Now, anyone who considers himself a legitimate, objective observer of American politics, if you really want the best person to win, you would want people to not lie.

02:20:34.000 And the only reason why they got away with this lie was because they continually labeled you as this horrible threat to democracy and Hitler.

02:20:43.000 They kept saying you were going to be a dictator, ignoring the fact that you weren't a dictator for the four years where you were actually the president.

02:20:50.000 I was actually the opposite of a dictator.

02:20:51.000 I was a very straight guy.

02:20:53.000 But look, those three things, you take those three things, each one of them by themselves causes the result to be different.

02:20:59.000 It does.

02:21:00.000 And then you can go into a hundred other things.

02:21:03.000 There are so many.

02:21:04.000 We can't have corrupt elections and we can't have open borders.

02:21:08.000 You need to have a country.

02:21:10.000 You need borders.

02:21:11.000 You need fair elections.

02:21:13.000 And I'll tell you the other thing you need is you need a free and fair press.

02:21:18.000 One of the things I like about doing a show like this, can you imagine Kamala doing this show?

02:21:22.000 I could imagine her doing the show.

02:21:24.000 She'd be laying on the floor.

02:21:26.000 She was supposed to do it and she might still do it and I hope she does.

02:21:29.000 She's not going to do it.

02:21:30.000 I will talk to her like a human being.

02:21:31.000 I would try to have a conversation with her.

02:21:33.000 If she did this kind of an interview with you, I hope she does because it would be a mess.

02:21:37.000 She'd be laying on the floor comatose.

02:21:39.000 You'd be saying, call in the medics.

02:21:41.000 I think we'd have a fine conversation.

02:21:43.000 I think I'd be able to talk to her.

02:21:44.000 I wouldn't try to interview her.

02:21:46.000 I'd just try to have a conversation with her and hopefully get to know her as a human being.

02:21:49.000 That was my goal, having her on, trying to get her to express herself just as a... 0.99

02:21:53.000 I don't know if these...

02:21:54.000 I don't think these formats are good.

02:21:57.000 I don't think that two people...

02:21:59.000 First of all, I hate the idea of the presidential debates because I hate the idea of a time limitation on complex ideas.

02:22:05.000 Also, you have to break— I think you have to have the debates.

02:22:07.000 Right, but the way they do the debates, I think, is the wrong way to do it.

02:22:11.000 I think they should have a conversation.

02:22:12.000 I think you and Kamala, you sit across the table with no one in the room but the two of you.

02:22:19.000 Of course you're not going to shout each other.

02:22:21.000 Of course you're not going to insult each other.

02:22:22.000 I mean, it may get— They used to do it that way.

02:22:25.000 Hopefully it wouldn't, but that would be the way to do it.

02:22:27.000 They used to do it that way in the old days.

02:22:28.000 To put cameras on you with no one interfering with checking whether or not it's factual, especially when it's biased, because they checked you all those times and they didn't check her, with clearly things that were inaccurate, right?

02:22:42.000 So have two people just have a conversation with us without a time constraint.

02:22:47.000 And also this idea that they cut off the microphone.

02:22:51.000 And no crowd.

02:22:52.000 No crowd.

02:22:53.000 Crazy, too, because you're good at working a crowd.

02:22:54.000 I would rather have a crowd. 0.94

02:22:55.000 Of course you would.

02:22:56.000 You're good at crowds.

02:22:57.000 But I had no...

02:22:58.000 So they gave me an alternative.

02:23:00.000 I don't think he wanted to debate.

02:23:01.000 Why did they want no crowd?

02:23:03.000 What was the argument?

02:23:04.000 Because I think they thought I wasn't going to accept it.

02:23:05.000 So I believe what they wanted to do is have me not accept.

02:23:08.000 So they gave me a deal I couldn't refuse, and I said, I'll do it, okay?

02:23:13.000 It's like the mob.

02:23:15.000 Right.

02:23:15.000 I'll take it.

02:23:16.000 So they came to me.

02:23:17.000 They said...

02:23:19.000 We'll debate Joe Biden.

02:23:21.000 You know, that thing got tremendous ratings, too.

02:23:23.000 That was crazy.

02:23:24.000 But we'll debate Joe Biden.

02:23:26.000 But you can't have a crowd.

02:23:27.000 They also wanted sitting down.

02:23:29.000 I said, that's the only thing.

02:23:30.000 I said, look, you got to stand up.

02:23:32.000 You can't really sit down.

02:23:33.000 You know, in the old days, they did sit down a little bit.

02:23:35.000 But you got to stand up.

02:23:38.000 And they agreed to it.

02:23:39.000 It was a very tough thing.

02:23:40.000 It almost killed it.

02:23:42.000 They wanted to have desks where we sit.

02:23:45.000 I said, I think we should stand up.

02:23:47.000 And that was the only thing I asked for.

02:23:49.000 I said, we've got to stand up.

02:23:50.000 I thought it looked bad for the public.

02:23:54.000 But they said, no crowd, and cut off the mic.

02:23:58.000 And I said, I can live with it.

02:24:00.000 I mean, I can live with it.

02:24:01.000 And they thought I was going to reject it.

02:24:03.000 And then they would say he didn't want to debate Sleepy Joe.

02:24:06.000 Right.

02:24:06.000 That's what they thought was going to happen.

02:24:07.000 Well, they tried to say that with you and Kamala as well.

02:24:09.000 They tried to say that you didn't want to debate her as well.

02:24:11.000 No, by the way, with her, number one, I'm leading.

02:24:14.000 Number two, you know, they also said it with the primary.

02:24:17.000 So I had like 10, 12 guys, right, in the primary. 1.00

02:24:22.000 No stupid guys. 0.99

02:24:23.000 I mean, they're governors and they're senators. 1.00

02:24:25.000 They're not stupid people. 1.00

02:24:26.000 Some are stupid, but not all of them. 1.00

02:24:28.000 And all my guys said, you have to be in the debate. 1.00

02:24:31.000 I said, why?

02:24:32.000 I'm leading by 74 points.

02:24:35.000 The closest guy to me, I'm like 60 points, 70 points higher. 0.99

02:24:40.000 Why would I stand there like an idiot for two hours and let every one of them scream at me, I'm going to be the focus? 0.99

02:24:46.000 Right. 1.00

02:24:47.000 And I said, I'm not debating.

02:24:48.000 And it was a very smart thing because, you know, they just killed themselves.

02:24:52.000 The Republican primaries.

02:24:53.000 Yeah, the Republican primaries.

02:24:57.000 I like debating.

02:24:58.000 I think you have to debate.

02:25:00.000 But I like debating like the Rosie O'Donnell debate.

02:25:04.000 I like debating when you have a question.

02:25:06.000 Remember the Rosie O'Dell?

02:25:07.000 Yeah, it was very funny.

02:25:08.000 Megan Kelly.

02:25:08.000 Crazy thing, Megan.

02:25:10.000 That was a hell of a question, man.

02:25:12.000 If I didn't come up with that answer— It was a great line.

02:25:14.000 Well, what it was is, you know, that was—we had 28,000 people.

02:25:18.000 That was the Cleveland Arena where the Cavaliers played.

02:25:20.000 Right.

02:25:21.000 LeBron James.

02:25:22.000 I'm not a big fan of LeBron James, but he is a good basketball player.

02:25:25.000 But, you know, that was the...

02:25:27.000 And when I said that, the place went crazy.

02:25:31.000 And she kept talking.

02:25:32.000 No, she had like 10 other... 0.98

02:25:33.000 Yeah, well, Megan said you said it to other people, and you admitted you did.

02:25:36.000 But it was funny.

02:25:37.000 It was a comedic timing moment.

02:25:39.000 It was fun.

02:25:40.000 That's what they wanted to avoid.

02:25:41.000 It was lucky I did it, because she was drowning. 0.83

02:25:44.000 Oh, she wasn't finished.

02:25:45.000 That question, but she kept talking, but you couldn't hear her.

02:25:48.000 To this day, they don't know what she said, but it wasn't buzzing.

02:25:51.000 So anyway, but we had a good time.

02:25:53.000 It's comedic timing, and that's the reason why to have a debate in front of a large audience.

02:25:57.000 Well, how did I do with the Al Smith dinner?

02:25:59.000 I got very good reviews on that.

02:26:00.000 That was great.

02:26:01.000 Very funny.

02:26:01.000 Very funny stuff.

02:26:03.000 The Tim Walz stuff was very funny.

02:26:04.000 Tim Walz, yeah.

02:26:05.000 It's funny.

02:26:06.000 That's a real beauty.

02:26:07.000 That's a crazy one.

02:26:08.000 She said that she had picked him, and this is one of the questions I want to ask her, when she was sleep-deprived.

02:26:13.000 She said she was suffering from sleep deprivation when she picked him, which is just like...

02:26:18.000 Hey, maybe take a nap!

02:26:19.000 So I was...

02:26:20.000 Okay, look, let's see how it all turns out.

02:26:22.000 I think we're going to win.

02:26:23.000 I think we're way ahead now.

02:26:24.000 I think we're way ahead.

02:26:25.000 But if they lose, I think they're going to look at two things.

02:26:32.000 They're going to say they should have had a primary, even if it was a short primary.

02:26:35.000 They shouldn't have picked her.

02:26:36.000 And then she's going to say I shouldn't have picked this guy.

02:26:38.000 She shouldn't have picked that guy.

02:26:39.000 That guy's a disaster.

02:26:40.000 The lying about Tiananmen Square... 0.97

02:26:42.000 Everything.

02:26:43.000 Yeah, the military record, assistant coach versus head coach.

02:26:47.000 Little things.

02:26:48.000 So I did McDonald's last week.

02:26:50.000 I saw that.

02:26:51.000 And I actually got a call from your friends at Google, from Sundar.

02:26:54.000 That's pretty good, right?

02:26:55.000 He said, this is the biggest thing we've had in years.

02:26:59.000 You at McDonald's?

02:27:00.000 At McDonald's.

02:27:01.000 Did you know that?

02:27:02.000 It was one of the...

02:27:02.000 It was funny.

02:27:04.000 Who's a great guy, by the way.

02:27:05.000 But he said...

02:27:07.000 This McDonald's thing, I want to tell you, it's one of the biggest things we've ever had on Google.

02:27:11.000 It just hit.

02:27:12.000 But the reason I did it, and I actually, you know, you never know about this stuff.

02:27:16.000 I thought it was a throwaway.

02:27:17.000 I didn't think our conversation was a throwaway, but I thought that was, I thought I'd walk in, and that was only to highlight the fact, and I have a friend, he owns like 56 of these McDonald's, and he said, do you want to use one?

02:27:28.000 I said, yeah, I love it.

02:27:29.000 So we went there and the crowd was crazy.

02:27:31.000 You know, they had 28,000 people around the whole thing.

02:27:34.000 Did you see the outside?

02:27:35.000 It was crazy.

02:27:36.000 The cars couldn't get through.

02:27:38.000 Secret Service was not exactly thrilled.

02:27:40.000 We had no idea what the hell.

02:27:41.000 But I went into the place and I did the french fry thing.

02:27:45.000 And it just hit.

02:27:46.000 But that's like in life.

02:27:48.000 Sometimes you do.

02:27:49.000 I thought it was like a quick throwaway.

02:27:51.000 We're going to be there for 15 minutes.

02:27:52.000 Then I said, I've worked here for 15 minutes, which is 15 minutes more than she worked here.

02:27:58.000 She lied about McDonald's.

02:28:00.000 And, you know, is that proven that she never worked at McDonald's?

02:28:04.000 Well, McDonald's has no information.

02:28:06.000 She has no information.

02:28:08.000 There's nobody.

02:28:09.000 The manager said she never worked there.

02:28:11.000 You know, it was a certain place.

02:28:12.000 And he said they never.

02:28:13.000 No, she lied. 1.00

02:28:14.000 She's a liar. 1.00

02:28:15.000 You know what they do? 0.99

02:28:16.000 They'll say, like, on any one of the questions, they'll say, it's the exact opposite of what I say.

02:28:24.000 IVF. He's against IVF, the fertilization.

02:28:28.000 And it's the exact opposite.

02:28:30.000 I came out immediately strongly in favor.

02:28:33.000 And they do ads.

02:28:35.000 I'm against it.

02:28:35.000 It's wrong.

02:28:37.000 On every single topic, And, you know, she changed policies on 15. I've never seen a guy change, anybody change on more than one.

02:28:46.000 You know, you can maybe get away with one.

02:28:48.000 Her whole life, fracking.

02:28:50.000 Every single thing that she was for, the confiscation of guns, she wants to confiscate. 0.99

02:28:56.000 Now she's saying everybody should have a gun.

02:28:57.000 In fact, we're going to get her a MAGA cap.

02:28:59.000 I'm going to send her a MAGA cap.

02:29:01.000 But she's changed, and I don't think people are buying it.

02:29:04.000 I don't think people are buying it.

02:29:06.000 Well, some people are buying it because they want to buy it because it's blue no matter who.

02:29:10.000 There's a certain percentage of our population that's going to vote Democrat no matter what.

02:29:13.000 That's true.

02:29:14.000 They're pressured.

02:29:15.000 Their community, their ideology, it's left is good, right is evil.

02:29:20.000 I don't understand why.

02:29:21.000 Okay, you have a wall or you have a – you know, I built 570 miles of wall.

02:29:26.000 Everyone said, I built a lot of wall, exactly the stuff.

02:29:30.000 But you have a border.

02:29:33.000 What I don't understand is, who would want people to come into our country from places unknown, like sometimes they'll say about a fighter, from parts unknown, right?

02:29:43.000 Remember Haystack's Cajun, from parts, he says from parts, the oldest, those are the oldest, that's even before you.

02:29:49.000 But who would want people to come in It's pouring into our country. 1.00

02:29:56.000 We don't know anything about it.

02:29:58.000 But that's...

02:29:58.000 I want to ask you this.

02:29:59.000 Why do you think they're doing that?

02:30:00.000 I think because...

02:30:01.000 Do you think they're trying to buy votes?

02:30:03.000 Do you think they just want cheap labor?

02:30:05.000 Like, what's the idea?

02:30:06.000 Okay, there's a couple of theories.

02:30:08.000 They hate our country. 1.00

02:30:09.000 They're stupid. 1.00

02:30:11.000 Or they want to buy votes. 1.00

02:30:12.000 It's one of those three things.

02:30:14.000 Yeah.

02:30:14.000 Now, they are trying to get people registered who don't even know what the country is.

02:30:18.000 And they're trying to give people amnesty, people that live here.

02:30:21.000 They want to give them amnesty.

02:30:21.000 They want to give them citizenship.

02:30:24.000 And if you think about the amount of money that they've given them when they've come here, the food stamps, the benefits that even our poor people aren't getting.

02:30:31.000 $200 billion.

02:30:32.000 And that's a way low number.

02:30:34.000 That's a way low.

02:30:35.000 You know, it's interesting.

02:30:37.000 New York has always been like, you know, sort of like always looking for money.

02:30:42.000 They've spent $100 billion on this stuff.

02:30:45.000 I don't know where they—and they're not getting the money from the federal government.

02:30:47.000 It's crazy.

02:30:49.000 And because the mayor came out and said, we can't live like this— They investigated him.

02:30:57.000 By the way, I called it.

02:30:59.000 I said he just got himself indicted. 1.00

02:31:01.000 This group is stupid, but they're vicious. 1.00

02:31:04.000 They're stupid people, but they're vicious people. 1.00

02:31:06.000 The 2020 elections, you say you have all this evidence that it was rigged. 1.00

02:31:12.000 Why haven't you put this evidence in a consumable form?

02:31:16.000 Oh, I did.

02:31:17.000 I have books on it.

02:31:18.000 And by the way, books have been written on it.

02:31:23.000 We have an author named Hemingway who is a great writer.

02:31:27.000 She wrote a book on it, but many books have been written on it.

02:31:30.000 There are books that are...

02:31:32.000 What's happened is judges don't want to touch it.

02:31:36.000 They would say you don't have standing.

02:31:38.000 They didn't rule on the merits.

02:31:40.000 The merits never got there.

02:31:42.000 The judges didn't have what it took.

02:31:47.000 To turn over an election.

02:31:48.000 Let's talk about the potential vulnerabilities for elections and election fraud.

02:31:52.000 One of them is mail-in ballots.

02:31:54.000 The other one is if someone can break into voting machines.

02:32:00.000 If someone can hack voting machines.

02:32:02.000 Those are two huge ones.

02:32:03.000 So Elon Musk, I think he said it publicly.

02:32:08.000 I hope he did because I wouldn't want to be the one.

02:32:10.000 But he's a really smart guy.

02:32:12.000 And he's a very good guy with computers, right?

02:32:15.000 You'd say he's...

02:32:15.000 He's one of the smartest people alive.

02:32:17.000 Anybody that can land that 20-story building and perfect and...

02:32:21.000 While he's doing Starlink, while he's doing Tesla, while he owns Twitter.

02:32:25.000 And then he agrees to Starlink.

02:32:26.000 And he tweets 100 times a day.

02:32:28.000 He's an amazing guy.

02:32:30.000 Yeah.

02:32:31.000 He said to me that unless you have paper ballots, it can never be an honest election.

02:32:36.000 That's a big statement.

02:32:37.000 It's a big statement.

02:32:38.000 We should go to paper ballots.

02:32:40.000 You know, France did.

02:32:41.000 They went the mail-in voting and it was all messed up.

02:32:44.000 What can be done?

02:32:45.000 You know the amazing thing with the machines?

02:32:47.000 So we have the machines.

02:32:48.000 They cost 10 times more.

02:32:50.000 A paper ballot would cost 8%.

02:32:51.000 And they make paper ballots.

02:32:53.000 They're all watermarked and everything else.

02:32:55.000 They're very sophisticated.

02:32:56.000 But if you take a look, paper ballots, 8% the cost, and you're done by 9 o'clock in the evening, right?

02:33:05.000 Now we have this sophisticated machine.

02:33:07.000 It goes up to heaven.

02:33:08.000 It goes all over the place and down and around.

02:33:11.000 And they say, we'll need two weeks to figure out who the hell won the election.

02:33:14.000 Do you think that's by design?

02:33:15.000 Yeah, I do.

02:33:16.000 I think it's very crooked.

02:33:17.000 That's my opinion.

02:33:18.000 You're allowed to have an opinion.

02:33:21.000 Let's say you win.

02:33:22.000 In November, what can be done to mitigate these problems?

02:33:27.000 What could be done at the level that the president has power?

02:33:31.000 Well, if I win, this will be my last election.

02:33:35.000 But I think I owe it to the country.

02:33:39.000 We have to have fair elections.

02:33:41.000 So how can you fix that?

02:33:42.000 You know, Jimmy Carter was in charge of a commission, you know, many years ago.

02:33:46.000 And they put him and scooped Jackson and various senators, you know, distinguished people that were retired.

02:33:53.000 And they came up with a report.

02:33:55.000 And the report's primary finding was, you cannot have mail-in ballots.

02:34:00.000 Because if it's a mail-in ballot...

02:34:02.000 You know, I went to the voting booth the last time, whatever it was.

02:34:06.000 And I walked in, in Palm Beach.

02:34:08.000 And I walk in, and they know me.

02:34:10.000 They say, Mr. President, could I see your identification?

02:34:13.000 Boom, here's this, here's that, everything.

02:34:15.000 And then you sit, and they watch you sign.

02:34:20.000 There's not a lot you can do.

02:34:21.000 I mean, if you wanted to be dishonest, it's sort of beautiful.

02:34:24.000 If instead of that, I'm going to send them a ballot, it has to go through the postal services.

02:34:31.000 It has to go through a lot of people.

02:34:33.000 They mail you houses that, you know, the house was demolished and the people have left.

02:34:38.000 It's so bad.

02:34:40.000 The one thing with Jimmy Carter, he had a very strong...

02:34:44.000 Commission.

02:34:46.000 No mail-in ballots.

02:34:47.000 And we're the only one that does elections this way anymore.

02:34:50.000 They've gotten away from it.

02:34:51.000 And this ticked up in a big way after COVID. It used to be like soldiers serving overseas.

02:34:56.000 They used COVID to cheat.

02:34:57.000 Yeah.

02:34:57.000 Well, they used COVID to certainly push this mail-in ballot.

02:35:00.000 But they used COVID to cheat.

02:35:04.000 And the last election was a little bit of a...

02:35:07.000 You couldn't even get security guys.

02:35:09.000 Big, strong guys to watch.

02:35:11.000 You know what?

02:35:11.000 You'd call them.

02:35:12.000 They'd call them.

02:35:14.000 They were afraid to go out.

02:35:15.000 You know, we were in the middle of COVID. We were in the middle of COVID. Right smack in the middle.

02:35:21.000 And they didn't want to die.

02:35:23.000 You know, they didn't want to catch it.

02:35:24.000 It was like, in a way, it was like a ghost town.

02:35:29.000 And the whole thing, but mail-in ballots are a bad thing.

02:35:33.000 That certainly is a problem.

02:35:36.000 Mail-in ballots are a problem.

02:35:37.000 Another problem is voter ID. Voter ID is the most bizarre argument that I've never seen anybody articulate in a way that's convincing.

02:35:46.000 Because they want to cheat.

02:35:48.000 Well, it doesn't make sense any other way.

02:35:51.000 I've tried to straw-man it, or I've tried to steel-man it, rather.

02:35:54.000 I've tried to, like, look at it from a position like, why would you not want people to have ID? And a lot of the ideas are just ridiculous. 0.90

02:36:02.000 You need an ID to get a driver's license.

02:36:04.000 Okay, but here's now the next step.

02:36:06.000 Gavin Newsom, one of the worst governors in the world, and I used to, frankly, I used to get along, but I don't get along with him, because he's just too, you know, it's just a whole con job.

02:36:15.000 But Gavin Newsom...

02:36:18.000 The other day signed a bill that you are not allowed to ask a person, even ask them whether or not they have a voter ID. Now, what could be a charitable reason why anybody would want that?

02:36:29.000 Because they want to cheat.

02:36:29.000 But that would be the only thing that makes sense.

02:36:31.000 But that's taking it to the next level.

02:36:33.000 Right.

02:36:34.000 Now, you know, you have ID. The Democrat National Convention, when they had it the last time, I saw...

02:36:40.000 They had a sign, like a billboard, or the name of the person, where they live, how they live, who the hell their boyfriends are.

02:36:48.000 Every single...

02:36:49.000 And a big picture, that's for their...

02:36:52.000 They have an ID, a big ID. It was hanging like you were a prisoner.

02:36:57.000 They had these massive cards, everything.

02:37:00.000 And yet when it comes to the vote, in theory, the most important thing we do, okay?

02:37:04.000 When you go to a grocery store, you give ID. But for a vote, it's supposed to be a sacred thing.

02:37:10.000 And it should be a sacred thing.

02:37:12.000 No voter ID because they want to cheat.

02:37:14.000 Well, it doesn't make sense in any other way.

02:37:17.000 I've tried to look at it.

02:37:18.000 There's no other way.

02:37:19.000 There's no argument that anybody's presented that makes any sense why.

02:37:23.000 You know the funny thing, Joe?

02:37:24.000 The Democrats, the people.

02:37:26.000 They all think you should have it.

02:37:27.000 In other words, you should have it.

02:37:28.000 If you go to the people, Mrs. Schwartz, Mrs. Smith, Mr. and Mrs. Jones, they say, of course, yeah.

02:37:36.000 Democrats, they say yes.

02:37:38.000 It's the politicians that don't want it, like Schumer and these guys.

02:37:41.000 They don't want it because they want to be able to cheat.

02:37:43.000 Because you know what?

02:37:44.000 If they didn't have it, okay...

02:37:46.000 Who is gonna vote for somebody that wants open borders?

02:37:49.000 Who's gonna vote for somebody that wants to have men playing in women's sports? 1.00

02:37:54.000 You know, I have never had one person come up to me and say, President, you gotta do something to allow men to play in women's sports. 0.82

02:38:03.000 Have you ever?

02:38:04.000 Just like I've never been called by a pollster.

02:38:06.000 I told you my little theory on pollsters, okay?

02:38:08.000 I'm getting myself in trouble with some of these things, but I don't really care.

02:38:12.000 Nobody's ever come up to me and said, we want to have men playing women's sports.

02:38:19.000 And, you know, I had a funny thing at a property I own in California.

02:38:25.000 I have a woman who's a very good athlete, and she works there as a manager. 1.00

02:38:29.000 And Brian Erlacher, the big Chicago Bears, great player, you know, 10-time All-Star, I guess Hall of Famer, great guy, big, strong guy.

02:38:39.000 And she said, oh, he's one of my favorite athletes.

02:38:42.000 Can I have a picture?

02:38:43.000 And I took a picture and I sent it.

02:38:45.000 And I noticed she was the size of his leg. 0.97

02:38:47.000 His leg was bigger than she was.

02:38:49.000 And I put it out.

02:38:50.000 Should men play in women's sport? 0.99

02:38:53.000 It was just so ridiculous. 0.89

02:38:55.000 What's one of the most bizarre and polarizing ideas that's promoted by the left? 0.96

02:38:59.000 But who wants it?

02:39:00.000 Now, unless you're going to cheat in elections, you're never going to get it.

02:39:04.000 Nobody wants it.

02:39:05.000 I don't think anybody wants it.

02:39:06.000 I've been told everything.

02:39:08.000 Some people want this.

02:39:11.000 I don't know of anybody that wants open borders.

02:39:13.000 Nobody's ever come up to me and say, President, you've got to let the world come into our country.

02:39:18.000 Now, if they won, so they have 21 million, I think it's much higher than that because you have gotaways.

02:39:22.000 You know, gotaways where they just walk in.

02:39:24.000 And the other thing you have is human traffickers.

02:39:27.000 You have traffickers, and they traffic in women. 1.00

02:39:30.000 And they're going wild now.

02:39:32.000 You know where you have to look?

02:39:34.000 The trunk of cars.

02:39:35.000 Can you believe it?

02:39:36.000 They put women in trunks. 1.00

02:39:37.000 They'll put three women in a trunk. 1.00

02:39:39.000 These people are savages. 1.00

02:39:40.000 They're horrible. 1.00

02:39:41.000 The worst people. 1.00

02:39:42.000 And they're making the kind of money they make on drugs.

02:39:45.000 They're almost making on trafficking now.

02:39:48.000 And the thing that's made it hot is the internet.

02:39:51.000 That's what, you know, you think of it almost as an ancient thing, but it's the internet.

02:39:56.000 But who would want to have these things?

02:39:58.000 Who would want to have, there's so many, the transgender operations, where they're allowed to take your child. 1.00

02:40:04.000 When he goes to school and turn him into a male, to a female, without parental consent.

02:40:10.000 Who wants this?

02:40:11.000 Does anybody want this?

02:40:13.000 I've never heard of anyone.

02:40:14.000 And I can go into 10 different things.

02:40:16.000 The only way they get them is by no voter ID. You can't have voter ID. They don't want any.

02:40:23.000 They want to cheat.

02:40:25.000 There's only one reason, because the voter ID is so basic.

02:40:29.000 It's the most basic thing there is.

02:40:30.000 It's very basic.

02:40:31.000 Who would want this?

02:40:33.000 They want it so they can cheat, because their policies are no good.

02:40:37.000 I'll tell you, they're very smart when it comes to that.

02:40:41.000 They're very smart, although they're not smart in terms of politics, in a way, because what do they have that people want?

02:40:48.000 They really don't have.

02:40:49.000 They give away a lot of health care, a lot of stuff.

02:40:51.000 But for the most part, their policies are terrible.

02:40:54.000 Their policy on military.

02:40:55.000 She's running on a tax hike. 1.00

02:40:57.000 She's going to raise your taxes. 1.00

02:40:58.000 You've got to hear this.

02:40:59.000 We are going to raise your taxes.

02:41:02.000 And the people clap.

02:41:03.000 But who is going to win with – all my life I grew up with politicians, lower taxes.

02:41:11.000 She's politicking that we are going to raise your taxes. 1.00

02:41:15.000 Well, they want to raise – the idea is you want to raise the taxes to the highest earners.

02:41:18.000 I know, but it really doesn't work that way.

02:41:20.000 They think that millionaires and billionaires are not paying their fair share.

02:41:22.000 But it doesn't work that way.

02:41:23.000 Well, it's a narrative, right?

02:41:25.000 And it's a narrative that appeals to people that are not doing well.

02:41:28.000 And they're like, yeah, our problems are that these rich people are not paying taxes.

02:41:31.000 Well, the problem is that the rich people are going to leave and they're going to close up their companies and then the other people aren't going to have jobs.

02:41:37.000 You know, that's what happens.

02:41:38.000 It does happen in other countries.

02:41:39.000 But the whole – because you brought it up.

02:41:42.000 I'll tell you what.

02:41:42.000 We just – he's doing a very good job in Virginia.

02:41:46.000 Glenn Youngkin.

02:41:47.000 I don't know if you like him or not like him.

02:41:48.000 I don't know him.

02:41:49.000 Oh, you don't know him?

02:41:50.000 The governor of Virginia?

02:41:52.000 Yeah.

02:41:52.000 So, we have a case where they found thousands of illegal ballots.

02:41:58.000 A judge just ruled that they have to be able to vote.

02:42:01.000 Just happened today.

02:42:02.000 Just before I walked in here, I heard.

02:42:04.000 A judge just ruled that you have to keep those people in. 0.95

02:42:09.000 They're illegal.

02:42:10.000 They're illegal votes.

02:42:11.000 Now, I think they'll be overturned at the next court.

02:42:14.000 One thing I found, because I had a couple of things that they get overturned a little bit, you know, the system.

02:42:18.000 Because the system, you have to hope, That the appellate judges are honest.

02:42:25.000 Otherwise, we don't have a country anymore.

02:42:27.000 It's very important.

02:42:28.000 But the whole thing with the legal ballots has got to be looked at.

02:42:31.000 You have to have voter ID and you have to have additional ID. You have to have an ID that shows that you're a citizen of the country.

02:42:38.000 I agree.

02:42:39.000 They don't want that either.

02:42:40.000 I agree.

02:42:41.000 One of the things that I want to talk to you about is the JFK files.

02:42:45.000 One of the things that you said was that if they showed you what they showed me, this is your quote, you wouldn't want people to know it either.

02:42:55.000 So I opened them up, partially.

02:43:01.000 I was met with, from good people, I mean, you know, look, I mean, good people.

02:43:06.000 People that were well-meaning.

02:43:08.000 Mike Pompeo was one of them.

02:43:10.000 He's a good person.

02:43:13.000 They called me, they said, sir, would rather, have you not?

02:43:17.000 After, and I did open them, but I was asked by some people not to open them.

02:43:23.000 There's a Martin Luther King file too, by the way, that they'd like to see.

02:43:26.000 I don't know if you know, but there is that.

02:43:28.000 But JFK in particular.

02:43:31.000 So they called me, a lot of good people called me, people that I, you know, that you would find reasonable people.

02:43:38.000 And they asked me not to do it, so I said, well, we'll close it for another time.

02:43:42.000 But if I win, I'm going to open them up.

02:43:44.000 I'm just going to open enough time.

02:43:45.000 Why didn't you open it up the first time, though?

02:43:46.000 What was the hesitation, though?

02:43:49.000 Because a lot of times addresses people that are still living.

02:43:51.000 There are people that are affected.

02:43:54.000 And there could be some national security reason that I don't have to necessarily know about.

02:44:00.000 But some very good, talented people asked me not to do it.

02:44:03.000 I opened it up and then they said, would it be possible for us to do that a different day?

02:44:09.000 How much of it did you read into?

02:44:15.000 I think it's going to be just fine to open it.

02:44:17.000 Let me put it that way.

02:44:18.000 I think it's fine.

02:44:19.000 It's going to be time.

02:44:20.000 It's a cleansing.

02:44:21.000 You know, it's really a cleansing.

02:44:22.000 So I'm going to do it.

02:44:23.000 I'm going to do it immediately, almost immediately upon entering office.

02:44:27.000 Well, the thing, when people look at it from the outside and you sort of imagine what could be a reason why they would not release those files, it would be there's people that were implicated in the assassination.

02:44:41.000 Well, when there are living people, you generally tend not to want to do it.

02:44:45.000 When people are still living.

02:44:47.000 Living people that formerly worked for the government.

02:44:50.000 For the government and living people that were somehow involved in it.

02:44:53.000 And you tend not to do that.

02:44:55.000 But it's time to open them.

02:44:58.000 I can't tell you whether or not they're going to find anything of interest.

02:45:01.000 And I did partially open it.

02:45:03.000 I think I've opened 50%.

02:45:05.000 But I was asked not to do it.

02:45:07.000 And I thought that was a reasonable ask.

02:45:10.000 But now I'm going to do it.

02:45:11.000 I'm going to do it very soon.

02:45:12.000 There's a lot of interest in it.

02:45:14.000 There's a lot of interest in the people coming from space, you know?

02:45:19.000 Yes.

02:45:19.000 And I know you're interested in that.

02:45:21.000 Oh, I'm very interested in that.

02:45:21.000 How much do they tell you about that?

02:45:23.000 A lot.

02:45:23.000 Really?

02:45:24.000 Yeah.

02:45:24.000 What do they tell you?

02:45:26.000 How much can you tell?

02:45:27.000 So I... How does that work?

02:45:28.000 Is it like super top secret?

02:45:29.000 I think I can tell, you know.

02:45:30.000 Tell me.

02:45:30.000 Well, based on Hunter Biden, I can say whatever the hell I want, right?

02:45:33.000 But no...

02:45:34.000 But I interviewed a few people.

02:45:37.000 It's never been my thing, I have to be honest.

02:45:38.000 I have never been a believer.

02:45:40.000 I have people that Area 51 or whatever it is.

02:45:43.000 I think it's the number one tourist attraction in the whole country or something.

02:45:46.000 Area 51 in Las Vegas.

02:45:48.000 Do you know that, right?

02:45:49.000 Sure.

02:45:49.000 I know what it is.

02:45:50.000 So anyway, but it's a big tourist thing.

02:45:52.000 So I interviewed jet pilots.

02:45:57.000 That say they saw something.

02:45:59.000 If you saw them, you'd love to have them as you saw.

02:46:02.000 I've had a couple in here.

02:46:02.000 Commander David Fravor.

02:46:04.000 I had him in, who had that sighting in 2004. Very, very compelling with video evidence, radar evidence.

02:46:12.000 Ryan Graves.

02:46:13.000 I don't believe his name, but I interviewed jet pilots that were solid people.

02:46:21.000 Perfect.

02:46:21.000 I mean, great pilots, great everything.

02:46:24.000 And they said, we saw things, sir, that...

02:46:28.000 We're very strange.

02:46:29.000 Like a round ball, but it wasn't a comet or a meteor.

02:46:32.000 It was something.

02:46:34.000 And it was going four times faster than an F-22, which is a very fast plane, you know.

02:46:40.000 And it was round, which is in theory a great shape.

02:46:44.000 So when you were talking to these people, was this something that you were compelled to have conversations about?

02:46:52.000 Was this your personal interest?

02:46:53.000 A little bit.

02:46:54.000 It's not a great interest for me, but it's a little interest.

02:46:57.000 I get that question as much as almost any question.

02:47:00.000 Do you think that we have aliens coming, you know, flying around or whatever?

02:47:04.000 What do you think?

02:47:06.000 There's no reason not to.

02:47:08.000 I mean, there's no reason not to think that Mars and all these planets don't have life.

02:47:13.000 Well, Mars, we've had probes there and rovers.

02:47:16.000 I don't think there's any life there.

02:47:18.000 Well, maybe it's life that we don't know.

02:47:19.000 Well, maybe there was life there at one point in time.

02:47:22.000 This is the speculation about Mars, that Mars had an atmosphere at one point in time a long time ago that could support life.

02:47:28.000 It also had large bodies of water, but we've had no evidence of even bacterial life that exists on Mars.

02:47:35.000 The universe is pretty vast.

02:47:35.000 It's not been a big thing for me.

02:47:37.000 I mean, when I looked at what China did to this, they would have never done it with me, where they put the balloon up. 0.84

02:47:42.000 And a lot of people thought for a little while that that was one of these things.

02:47:47.000 Well, that's a lot of the speculation, too, that some of these drones that hover over battleships, that these are Chinese drones, and that they're not UFOs.

02:47:54.000 They could be also.

02:47:55.000 They're some super sophisticated.

02:47:55.000 But I did interview, let's say, three or four guys.

02:48:00.000 And without tremendous interest, if you had them, As I said, you'd love to have me as your children.

02:48:08.000 Solid, beautiful people.

02:48:11.000 They said, sir, there's something there.

02:48:13.000 You know, they've said it, yeah.

02:48:16.000 Yeah, I've talked to quite a few of them.

02:48:17.000 They're not conspiracy guys.

02:48:18.000 Well, I mean, just the Commander David Fravor thing in 2004 off the coast of San Diego, they clocked that thing going from 50,000 feet above sea level to 50 in a second.

02:48:28.000 They don't know what it is.

02:48:29.000 That's tough to beat.

02:48:30.000 Yeah, they saw something in the water.

02:48:32.000 It was hovering over that something that was making a disturbance in the water.

02:48:36.000 They got video evidence of this thing.

02:48:38.000 Two different fighter jets with pilots in them saw it.

02:48:42.000 There's, you know, visual evidence, photographic evidence, video evidence, radar evidence.

02:48:47.000 Whatever the hell it is, it moves in a way that would turn a human being into jello if they were inside of it.

02:48:51.000 The G-force, no one would survive.

02:48:53.000 Oh, the G-force.

02:48:53.000 So, like, what is that?

02:48:54.000 And it doesn't have a heat signature.

02:48:57.000 They don't know what their propulsion system was.

02:49:00.000 But when you fly in some of these jets, These pilots have to be in great shape.

02:49:05.000 Oh, yeah.

02:49:06.000 I flew with the Blue Angels once.

02:49:07.000 Yeah, as an example.

02:49:09.000 And those are older machines.

02:49:11.000 And they're crazy.

02:49:13.000 When you fly in some of these things, it's amazing.

02:49:15.000 Yeah, I can imagine.

02:49:16.000 You've got to be special.

02:49:17.000 But these things that these people are encountering are far superior to what we know of.

02:49:22.000 Is it possible that there's some military or government program that they didn't tell you about?

02:49:31.000 I think I had a great relationship with the military basically, but I didn't like certain people.

02:49:37.000 I would have gotten them out if I thought – if the election was different, I would have fired all of them quickly.

02:49:44.000 Most of them I did fire.

02:49:46.000 Biden should have fired every military person involved with Afghanistan.

02:49:51.000 He should have had a lot of firings.

02:49:53.000 You know, if you look at him, he told Israel not to do anything.

02:49:56.000 At least Israel's not going to look at a bomb the way they would have been. 0.52

02:49:59.000 Think if they listened to Biden. 0.98

02:50:01.000 They'd be waiting for a bomb to drop on their head right now. 0.82

02:50:05.000 He's been wrong about so much.

02:50:06.000 I guess you'd have to say that she's been wrong, too, because, you know, she always said they made the decision together.

02:50:12.000 But...

02:50:14.000 Israel didn't follow his advice.

02:50:16.000 And I think it was a very, you know, it's a very, the Middle East is rapidly changing.

02:50:22.000 You know, there are prophets that say the world will come to an end in the Middle East.

02:50:27.000 You know that, right?

02:50:29.000 And we have weapons today that are so scary.

02:50:33.000 When you look, I rebuilt them all.

02:50:35.000 And when you look at the weapons we have today, the biggest threat we have in the world today is nuclear weapons.

02:50:41.000 And we have other weapons, too, that are devastating.

02:50:44.000 The nuclear weapons, the biggest threat we have in the world today.

02:50:49.000 I was talking about de-escalation with both China and Russia.

02:50:54.000 I'm telling you, we were going to de-escalate.

02:50:57.000 They were going to de-escalate.

02:50:59.000 You've got to be careful.

02:50:59.000 It's a little tricky playing with them because they say we're going to do it and they don't do it, maybe.

02:51:05.000 But they understood the curse, too.

02:51:07.000 It's a curse.

02:51:08.000 China's way behind us, but they'll catch us within five years. 1.00

02:51:11.000 So let's imagine, let's say you win in November.

02:51:15.000 What do you do differently and how do you change this course that it seems we are on for World War III? How do you get us out of Ukraine? 0.94

02:51:23.000 How do you stop what's going on in the Middle East? 0.98

02:51:26.000 How do you put a stop to this?

02:51:27.000 Well, it's a very—to me, it's an easy question because I think I can do it easily, but it's a complex question in the sense that the times change.

02:51:37.000 Every day changes.

02:51:39.000 Who's winning?

02:51:40.000 Who's not winning?

02:51:41.000 I mean, Russia's a war machine.

02:51:44.000 Whether you like it or not, it just grinds along, grinds along.

02:51:48.000 You speak to people like Viktor Orban, he'll tell you.

02:51:51.000 It's just a big, fat war machine, and that's what's happening.

02:51:55.000 You look at what's happened to Ukraine.

02:51:58.000 If I were there, it would have never happened.

02:52:00.000 But what could you do now?

02:52:02.000 If you get into office in January, what could you do now?

02:52:05.000 Right now, you would get both of them.

02:52:08.000 I know both very well.

02:52:09.000 And again, I do not want to tell you for the purpose of looking smart to five people that say, oh, he was great.

02:52:18.000 Because If I told you exactly what I'd do, I could never make the deal.

02:52:23.000 All I can tell you is that I would meet with Putin and I would meet with him and I know exactly what I'd say to each one of them.

02:52:29.000 And I believe that as president-elect, I would get that war stopped and stopped fast.

02:52:35.000 You know, we have tremendous power in the United States if you know how to use the power.

02:52:40.000 I stopped other wars just by the use of tariffs.

02:52:43.000 I got Macron of France.

02:52:46.000 Good guys, like a friend of mine.

02:52:48.000 But he's a wise guy.

02:52:49.000 And he's a person that likes France.

02:52:52.000 And he was going to tax our companies.

02:52:54.000 And I sent all the smartest guys.

02:52:56.000 I sent Mnuchin.

02:52:57.000 They all failed me.

02:52:59.000 And I said, I'll do it myself.

02:53:00.000 And I called him.

02:53:01.000 I said, Emmanuel, you're taxing American companies.

02:53:04.000 We're not going to allow you to do that.

02:53:06.000 Oh, Donald, I cannot do it.

02:53:07.000 Nothing I can do.

02:53:08.000 It's already been passed.

02:53:09.000 I said, Emmanuel, if you do that, I'm going to put 100% tariff on your wines and champagnes that come into the United States.

02:53:18.000 And you're gonna regret that you ever did it.

02:53:20.000 He said, Donald, please, that's not fair.

02:53:22.000 Anyway, within about two minutes, he dropped the whole thing.

02:53:25.000 And it was massive amounts of money against American companies.

02:53:28.000 I have to protect American companies.

02:53:30.000 So why doesn't the Biden administration do this? 0.98

02:53:32.000 Because they're incompetent. 0.99

02:53:33.000 They don't know how to talk. 0.99

02:53:34.000 Look, they met in Alaska.

02:53:38.000 With the Chinese. 1.00

02:53:40.000 And the Chinese lectured them about how badly we treat people.

02:53:45.000 Right?

02:53:46.000 Okay?

02:53:47.000 I mean, think of it.

02:53:48.000 You remember that?

02:53:50.000 They didn't talk to me that way.

02:53:52.000 They respected me.

02:53:54.000 They respected our country.

02:53:56.000 They don't respect our country.

02:53:57.000 They don't respect Biden.

02:53:59.000 They don't respect her. 0.99

02:54:00.000 They're dreaming about her because she's incompetent. 1.00

02:54:04.000 She's not a smart person. 1.00

02:54:06.000 Look, she can't put two sentences together. 0.92

02:54:09.000 She talks.

02:54:09.000 I watched her last night, too.

02:54:12.000 It was the same thing. 0.71

02:54:14.000 She's not a smart person.

02:54:15.000 These guys are very smart, and they're very streetwise, and they're very tricky and evil and dangerous.

02:54:22.000 And if she becomes the President of the United States, which I can't believe can happen, I don't think this country is going to make it.

02:54:31.000 I don't think we'll ever be I think just really bad things will happen to our country.

02:54:37.000 And you know what?

02:54:38.000 I look at the outside forces and I say they can all be handled because we have a pot of gold.

02:54:43.000 But we're not going to have that pot of gold to play with anymore.

02:54:46.000 You know, it's a great negotiating thing.

02:54:48.000 I told you, I knocked out this massive car company, going to take all of our car business from Detroit.

02:54:55.000 I knocked it out just by my rhetoric.

02:54:58.000 Rhetorically, I said, They'll never sell a car in here.

02:55:01.000 I'll put tariffs.

02:55:02.000 I don't care if they're 2,000%. 0.97

02:55:04.000 They're never going to build that plant.

02:55:06.000 Is it possible to apply that same thing to the electronics that we use?

02:55:09.000 One of the things that disturbs me greatly is that all of our phones are made overseas.

02:55:14.000 And then some of our phones are made in places like...

02:55:16.000 Yes, and the chips.

02:55:17.000 And some of our phones are made in places like Foxconn where they have nets around the building to keep people from jumping off the roof because they have so many suicides.

02:55:24.000 Like, wouldn't it be better to have an American-made iPhone where you know people are paid good wages, they have health insurance, they're taken care of, they can live a good life, where you're not buying a piece of electronics that's cheaper because someone has to suffer in a horrible way that's not even legal in the United States.

02:55:41.000 It's not even legal to have them work that way in the United States so they get these people to build them overseas.

02:55:46.000 You do it, but let me just tell you, that chip deal is so bad.

02:55:50.000 We put up billions of dollars for rich companies to come in and borrow the money and build chip companies here, and they're not going to give us the good companies anyway.

02:55:59.000 All you had to do is charge them tariffs.

02:56:01.000 If you were to put a tariff on the chips coming in, you would have been able to, just like the auto companies, no different.

02:56:09.000 More sophisticated, but no different.

02:56:12.000 You know, Taiwan, they stole our chip business.

02:56:16.000 Okay?

02:56:16.000 They want us to protect and they want protection.

02:56:18.000 They don't pay us money for the protection, you know?

02:56:21.000 The mob makes you pay money, right?

02:56:23.000 But with these countries that we protect, I got hundreds of billions of dollars from NATO countries that were never paying us.

02:56:32.000 And my biggest fan is Stoltenberg, who just left as the, you know, Director General, as the Secretary General.

02:56:39.000 Good guy.

02:56:40.000 He said, Bush came, he made a speech.

02:56:42.000 Obama came, he made a speech.

02:56:43.000 Trump came, he said, you guys aren't paying, you gotta pay.

02:56:46.000 And they said, will you protect us from Russia if we don't?

02:56:49.000 I said, no, you gotta pay if you don't pay.

02:56:52.000 Billions of dollars came in to NATO. When I see us paying a lot of money to have people build, that's not the way.

02:57:00.000 You didn't have to put up 10 cents.

02:57:02.000 You could have done it with a series of tariffs.

02:57:04.000 In other words, you tariff it so high.

02:57:07.000 That they will come and build their chip companies for nothing.

02:57:11.000 In other words, Joe, you put a big tariff on the chips coming in.

02:57:15.000 I say, you don't have to pay the tariff.

02:57:17.000 All you have to do is build your plant in the United States.

02:57:20.000 We didn't have to give them the money to build a plant.

02:57:23.000 Besides that, they're very rich companies, these chip companies.

02:57:26.000 They stole 95% Of our business.

02:57:30.000 It's in Taiwan right now.

02:57:32.000 They do a great job. 1.00

02:57:33.000 But that's only because we have stupid politicians. 1.00

02:57:35.000 We lost the chip business. 1.00

02:57:37.000 And now we think we're going to pay.

02:57:39.000 You can't build it that way.

02:57:41.000 You have to make them spend their money in the United States. 0.60

02:57:44.000 And those plants would open up all over.

02:57:46.000 And they'll fund them.

02:57:47.000 We don't have to put up 10 cents.

02:57:48.000 And I am in the process of making a huge speech in about a little while.

02:57:52.000 And you and I, how long have we been talking?

02:57:54.000 A long time.

02:57:55.000 Let's go.

02:57:56.000 Probably like three hours.

02:57:57.000 I've got to make a speech.

02:57:58.000 But we'll do it again.

02:57:59.000 I want to do it again with you.

02:58:01.000 You are something.

02:58:02.000 Thank you very much.

02:58:03.000 I said, how long will this last?

02:58:04.000 Anywhere from an hour to three or four hours.

02:58:07.000 How long will we do, Jamie?

02:58:08.000 Three hours.

02:58:09.000 Good.

02:58:10.000 Well, we'll do it again.

02:58:11.000 I thought it was great.

02:58:11.000 I think it was great.

02:58:13.000 It was a lot of fun.

02:58:13.000 You are a fascinating guy, and you've done a great job.

02:58:17.000 Thank you very much.

02:58:18.000 I'm a big fan, and thank you very much.

02:58:19.000 It's been an honor.

02:58:20.000 It's been an honor to have you on as well.

02:58:21.000 I'm going to make a great speech, and I'm going to say, and if I'm a little off tonight, I'm going to blame you.

02:58:26.000 I spoke to this guy for three hours.

02:58:29.000 Anyway, it's a great honor to be with you.

02:58:31.000 Thank you, sir.

02:58:31.000 Thank you.

02:58:32.000 Good luck to you.

02:58:32.000 Thank you very much.

02:58:33.000 Thank you.

02:58:33.000 All right.

02:58:34.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - October 26, 2024

Joe Rogan Experience #2219 - Donald Trump

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