Donald Trump joins Jemele to talk about his run for president, why he decided to run, and what it was like being on The View when he was introduced to the world as our friend Donald Trump. He also talks about why he didn t want to be president, and how he ended up running for president in 2016, and why he thought it would be a good idea to run against Hillary Clinton. And he explains why he chose to do so. Plus, he talks about what it's like being a presidential candidate and how it compares to being a reality TV host. He also discusses why he doesn t think he would have been a good president and why it s a mistake to think he d have a chance to be one. And why he thinks it s better to run for President than it is to be the president of the United States. And, of course, he also gives us a little bit of advice on how to deal with the press and the people who make him look like a bad father and a bad president. And, you guessed it, he s not a bad dad. He s a good guy. Enjoy the episode! Thank you for listening to Jemele and for supporting Jemele! XOXO, Sarah and Sarah Subscribe to our new podcast, Podulters! Subscribe, Like, and Share, and Retweet, and tell us what you think of the episode and what you thought of it on Apple Podcasts! or wherever else you re listening to your favorite podcast is listening to this podcast. Thanks for listening and sharing it! and if you like it, please leave us a review, share it on your podcast and/tweet us a rating and review and review it in your thoughts about it on iTunes! in the pod? and tell a friend about it's a star rating or review it on Insta-ship? and what s your thoughts on it's best listening experience is your favorite moment of the podcast is the most beautiful day of the day? or what else you're listening to it is the day it's listening about it s going to be like that's the best day is the best that you are listening about that s the most amazing thing you should listen to it or what s getting a good day or your favorite thing you're getting the most of it is that s your best day of your day, or your day is getting a day with someone else is listening and more of it?
00:00:17.000One of the things I wanted to talk to you about, I wanted to play this, but we decided we shouldn't play it because it could get copyright strike and we don't want to get the episode, we don't want anybody to have any sort of way to get it down.
00:00:30.000But it was the episode of you when you're on The View, and I think it was 2015 or 2016, like when you were running for president.
00:00:41.000You got introduced as our friend Donald Trump.
00:00:45.000Whoopi Goldberg gives you a big hug and a kiss.
00:01:19.000But there's probably no one in history that I've ever seen that's been attacked the way you've been attacked and the way they've done it so coordinated and systematically.
00:01:31.000And when you see those same people in the past, very favorable to you, like Oprah, when you were on Oprah's show, she was encouraging you to be president.
00:01:38.000Last week I did one of her last shows, I think, Maybe Thursday or Friday, that was a big deal, being on Oprah's show, the last one.
00:01:45.000And I was like one of the last shows in that final week.
00:01:49.000And I said, boy, we've come a long way since that.
00:03:38.000And so I was thinking about doing it then, but I had a contract with The Apprentice, plus I was building two big buildings at the time, and I wanted to make sure they got finished up properly, and it was one of those things.
00:03:48.000The kids were just sort of getting involved.
00:03:50.000They're very capable kids, but they were getting involved early on.
00:11:12.000He said, I can't beat Robert E. Lee because Robert E. Lee won many battles in a row.
00:11:16.000He was just beating the hell out of him.
00:11:18.000You know, they tried to get Robert E. Lee to be on the North, but he said, no, I have to be with my state.
00:11:23.000You know, the state was his whole thing, and he went to the South.
00:11:27.000And he was—I've had generals tell me—we have some great generals, the real generals, not the ones you see on television, the ones that beat ISIS with me.
00:16:26.000And somebody, I won't mention his name, but somebody spent $250 million trying to get the nomination as a Reform Party candidate or whatever, and they got just nowhere.
00:17:31.000But in terms of me, sometimes I'd use it as an excuse and I don't like having excuses actually but I'd use it as an excuse.
00:17:41.000I had to rely on people that I respected or liked but that I didn't know that well because I didn't know them that well.
00:17:48.000Some of those people I campaigned against because when you have 18 people, we had mostly politicians running in the election, running in the primaries.
00:18:03.000And I'd rely on them and I'd rely on other people.
00:18:06.000So all of a sudden – People would come in, I'd like to recommend so-and-so to be Secretary of State, and I'd have three, four people recommend.
00:18:14.000One thing I can tell you, everybody wants the position.
00:18:29.000I mean, there's a particular guy in New York, primarily, very big, very successful, very strong, very political, although he's not a politician.
00:18:43.000He'd give anything to be Secretary of State, but if they ask him, no, I don't think I would do it, but in the meantime, begging for it, okay?
00:18:54.000By the way, no matter what you do, but it's very dangerous to pick somebody outside of a politician because a politician's been basically vetted for years.
00:19:04.000You pick a business guy, And they've never been vetted at all and they're, you know, the head of a big company or something, but they've never been vetted.
00:19:12.000You know nothing about his personal life.
00:19:14.000You know nothing about where he's been.
00:19:15.000When you put them in, it's a little bit dangerous because all of a sudden they get checked up and you hear things that you say, wow, this is not going to work out too well.
00:23:48.000And every time I had to deal with a country, when they saw this whack job standing behind me, they said, oh man, Trump's going to go to war with us.
00:23:58.000He was with Bush when they went stupidly into the Middle East.
00:24:57.000One of the beautiful things about you is that you freeball.
00:25:01.000You get out and you do these huge events and you're just talking.
00:25:05.000We've highlighted you on the show many times when you did this Biden impression where he's walking around and he doesn't know what he's doing.
00:25:54.000I mean, you haven't even got to the election.
00:25:57.000There's been two assassination attempts.
00:25:58.000And they've brushed those out of the news like it was nothing.
00:26:02.000Yeah, they'd rather not talk about them.
00:26:03.000Imagine if there was assassination attempts on Biden, how hard people would be attacking the right, how they would be trying to get guns taken away from people, they would try to ramp up gun laws, they would try to figure out some way to blame you.
00:26:16.000If there was attacks on Biden, if Biden got shot in the ear, we would have never heard the end of it.
00:26:21.000But I think he's in good shape because it's only consequential presidents.
00:26:25.000If you take a look at what's happened, look, I'm for having countries pay us billions and billions and trillions even dollars.
00:26:33.000I took in hundreds of billions of dollars from China.
00:26:35.000Nobody took in 10 cents, not one other president.
00:27:22.000But if you just look at statistically, so I said, I sort of think, I don't know if it's right, but one-tenth of one percent for a race car driver.
00:27:30.000Yeah, it's a pretty dangerous business, right?
00:27:33.000One-tenth of one percent For a bull rider, I tell you, to me, these guys that ride the bulls is worse than UFC. These guys, you see these big monster bulls and you see it in slow motion where the foot is like, you know, an inch away from the head.
00:31:28.000Yeah, but when you do the weaves, and you have to be very smart to do weaves, when you do the weave, look at just in this one thing, we're talking about little pieces all over here, but it always ends up, no, no, it comes back home for the right people.
00:31:39.000For the wrong people, it doesn't come back home and they end up in the wilderness, right?
00:34:00.000Dan Crenshaw, The Congressman posted on his Instagram all of the various examples of troops that are deployed, thousands and thousands of troops that are currently deployed.
00:34:13.000But the point is, if this is going to be an actual real debate and not a propaganda exercise, if it's going to be a real debate, you have to fact check everybody.
00:34:20.000Like if someone says maybe she thought there was no, which is also a problem.
00:35:08.000Because people have lost, look, the morale that the police department has in a lot of these cities where they've done this defund the police bullshit, the morale of these poor cops, it's fucking horrible.
00:36:53.000So, number one, but even if you could have your gun out, the door opens and bullets start firing out, you know, and especially where they have the dark windows, where they have the darkened windows.
00:37:04.000It is such a dangerous profession and it's very hard to get cops now because they're not given any backup.
00:37:14.000You know, they have like an eighth of a second to make a decision that's going to change their life.
00:37:19.000If they make the wrong decision, they're going to end up on the front page of every newspaper in the country and they're going to lose their house and their pension and their job and their wife is going to be gone and everything is going to be gone.
00:37:30.000And here's another thing that people don't talk about.
00:37:32.000How many of them have PTSD? Probably most of them.
00:37:35.000These guys are seeing people shot all the time.
00:37:38.000I've talked to a ton of cops about it.
00:40:23.000You know, this is what we're getting to.
00:40:26.000And I said, if that plan goes up, I want them to understand if I win, I'm going to tax those cars at the rate of 100% or 200% apiece so that you won't be able to sell them in the United States.
00:40:38.000They just announced they're not going to build the plan.
00:41:34.000We will not allow the enemy to come in and take our jobs and take our factories and take our workers and take our families unless they pay a big price.
00:42:00.000You know, believe me, they control our politicians.
00:42:04.000If you look at the kind of numbers that these guys make then and now, but we had a commission meeting in the – I think it was 1887. Think of this problem.
00:49:27.000And also, I cut regulations more than anybody else.
00:49:31.000And I asked many of the businessmen, you know, from the big companies, you know, the guys running the big companies, I'd say, so if you had your choice, you've had it now for a long time, what's more important to you, the tax cuts, you paid less tax, or the regulation cuts?
00:49:46.000Every one of them said the regulation cuts meant more.
00:49:50.000Because you don't equate it to dollars, but it actually is more dollars.
00:49:55.000We had it going and then we just had to focus on something else.
00:50:00.000These two pollsters were sitting there and they said, Sir, if George Washington came back and Abraham Lincoln was his VP as opposed to Waltz, how bad is he by the way?
00:50:14.000But if Abraham Lincoln was his VP, they couldn't beat you.
00:51:10.000So it's your belief that if you had a second term, given the policies in place, the way the economy was booming, that you would have been able to pay off a lot of the debt.
00:51:20.000If we didn't have COVID, we would have been paying off debt and we would have had...
00:51:25.000And don't forget, by growth, the word growth is actually more important in a way because you could have the same debt, but if you doubled your growth, all of a sudden you're under-levered.
00:52:54.000And if you speak to Elon, he said the regulation now to send a rocket up to anywhere, even if you do everything, it's almost, it's becoming impossible.
00:53:05.000But they use environmental in order to get people not to do anything.
00:53:12.000And sometimes I say – you know, I look at some of the – I know the environmental stuff better because I had to build buildings in New York.
00:53:18.000I had to build – I had to do environmental impact studies.
00:53:21.000And I would see some of these guys that I'd hire for a lot of money, environmentalists, that would get you through the process.
00:53:27.000And they'd be up in Albany, that's the capital of New York, and they're up there trying to make it tougher for guys like me that were builders because they'd get paid more money.
00:53:37.000In other words, I had one guy, highly recommended.
00:53:43.000You know, I was good at getting permits.
00:57:02.000When Kerry goes to see President Xi at China, which he probably doesn't even get to see him, but they look at him, oh yes, yes, we will do, oh yes, yes, we're going to do that, no more coal, no more coal, just, and then they approve 58 coal plants for the next,
00:57:17.000you know, every, they build a coal plant a week.
00:59:26.000You're insulting the intelligence of the people that live in that city that are impacted by these people just camping and needles and human feces.
01:04:11.000I said, with this intense heat, you could see they were charred a little bit on the bottom, but they were going to be all right because they're soaking wet because they suck up the water, right?
01:04:19.000But when they fall, they're like, you know, it's like lighting a match.
01:04:30.000I see all those forest fires in California, and all they have to do is clean their forest, meaning rake it up, get rid of the leaves, get rid of, you know, leaves that are sitting there for five years.
01:04:41.000Well, certainly get rid of the dead fall.
01:04:43.000And get rid of the trees that have fallen and that, you know, are like...
01:06:00.000They want to go to all electric cars, but they have brownouts every weekend, you know?
01:06:03.000Well, right after they made the announcement that as of 2035, you're not going to be able to buy an internal combustion engine in California, like within a month, they had some announcement asking people to not charge their Teslas.
01:06:19.000I will terminate the mandate immediately.
01:06:21.000That will be done, I would say, in my first day, maybe two days because, you know— Let me ask you about nuclear.
01:06:28.000One of the things that when I've talked to people that have a real understanding of nuclear power, what their position is, it's probably the cleanest, safest form of electricity that we could generate.
01:06:40.000And that the fears of nuclear power are really about a few disasters.
01:09:50.000You're looking in the left and the right, and all you see is these big spinning machines that aren't even that effective at generating electricity.
01:14:08.000From math to chemistry to nuclear, he knew it.
01:14:11.000And he said, someday it's going to be the way to go, but the problem is it's so dangerous in terms of war.
01:14:18.000He said, Donald, someday—and this was a longtime Uncle John, Dr. John Trump—he said, someday you'll have a little satchel at your side, and you'll go into a building, and you'll be able to blow up New York City.
01:14:32.000I said, Uncle John, that'll never happen.
01:19:21.000There's a lot of crooked stuff, and I wanted to talk about that, too, because one of the things that people talk about with you is the denial of the results.
01:19:30.000I think J.D. Vance did a brilliant job the other day when he was being interviewed, and they asked him, did Trump lose the 2020 election?
01:19:37.000And he turned it around and said, was there legitimate election interference in suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story on social media?
01:22:42.000I've never met one person, not a super liberal, progressive, far left person or a right wing conservative.
01:22:51.000Not one person thinks it's zero percent.
01:22:53.000They think when you have human beings and also you have a lot of weirdness that was going on during the 2020 elections, particularly with mail-in ballots.
01:23:02.000And you had legislatures that had to approve, and they didn't approve, and they went out and did it anyway.
01:23:09.000And you had old-fashioned ballot screwing.
01:23:12.000I mean, you have people going up and dropping in phony votes.
01:23:45.000It's not based—if you look back on history, 70s and 80s, some of your greatest leaders in the world—world history, long-time world history— They were in their 70s and their 80s.
01:23:57.000But I think you should take cognitive tests.
01:23:59.000I think everybody – they say it's unconstitutional.
01:24:02.000But I think Kamala should have a test because there's something missing.
01:24:08.000I think the pressure and the scrutiny – you've been a celebrity for a long time and you understand what this is like.
01:24:13.000But for someone who's in her late 40s, who becomes the vice president, who runs for president, becomes the vice president, And then, all of a sudden, the weight of the world is on your shoulders, and there's all these people paying attention.
01:29:39.000After having gotten more votes than any sitting president in the history of the country and much more votes than he got in 2016. When I left, they started shooting our soldiers.
01:29:50.000But more importantly, what they did is they did that whole thing with, you know, leaving.
01:30:54.000They have all this stuff that these guys now have.
01:30:57.000He said, sir, it's cheaper to get out and leave it.
01:31:00.000I said, so you think it's cheaper to leave a $150 million brand new airplane in there than it is to fly it out with a tank of jet fuel and put it in Pakistan or just fly it directly back?
01:32:15.000I got on Air Force One and we started flying.
01:32:19.000And when we reached about half an hour away from Iraq, that was where the airport was, big airport, about a half an hour away, they said, sir, I'm sorry, you'll have to turn off all your lights.
01:36:53.000They tell us what to do and we have to respect them.
01:36:56.000So do you think that it was incompetence why they didn't go after ISIS? I think it's a bad system.
01:37:02.000You know, when Mattis goes there or when Milley goes there, who's stupid, and they tell these guys that are actually smart what to do, And the guys that are smart are saying we don't like what they're doing, but they're not allowed to sort of counteract.
01:37:14.000Plus, the guys that went there are arrogant.
01:37:20.000The way they pulled out of, you know, the way they, as an example, the way they pulled out of Afghanistan with the people falling off the planes.
01:37:28.000It was so, it was worse than Vietnam with the helicopters falling.
01:40:35.000We have people that are really bad people.
01:40:38.000That I really think want to make this country unsuccessful.
01:40:42.000When you look at what's happening at our border, Joe, when you have people coming in that when other countries are allowed to empty their prisons into our country with murderers, we had 13,099 murderers dropped in our country over the last three years.
01:41:54.000But we should just tell people what the strategy is.
01:41:57.000So one of the things that's been very clear is that they've moved a large percentage of these migrants that are coming across the border illegally, they've moved them to swing states.
01:42:10.000This is what's going on with Springfield, Ohio, right?
01:42:17.000But it's called Springfield, Ohio to be exact.
01:42:20.000And Springfield, Ohio is this very nice community of 52,000 people that just had 32,000 migrants that don't speak the language dropped into their community.
01:44:11.000They would call up, think of this, they call up the app and the app tells them where they should take their load of illegal migrants from the Congo.
01:44:23.000You know, we have a lot from the Congo.
01:47:58.000It was so good that I gave it to him again and all of a sudden it caught on.
01:48:02.000But you know, when I wasn't in vogue, you know, I've had time, you probably never had a time, but I had times when I wasn't exactly in vogue.
01:48:55.000Well, this was always the thing that I would hope that it would be.
01:48:58.000I always knew that it was unbelievably entertaining, but I just didn't know if maybe I was crazy.
01:49:02.000Maybe I loved it because I've had this long history of being involved in martial arts and maybe like other people who just think it's too violent.
01:50:14.000You don't get allowed to get knocked down and then get back up.
01:50:17.000When you get knocked down, you're concussed.
01:50:19.000And generally, you know, if a guy's really hurt, they can be finished on the ground and the fight's over.
01:50:24.000If it's boxing, you have ten seconds to get up.
01:50:27.000You get up, your head kind of clears, but you're still in real bad trouble, and you can kind of run away and survive until the bell rings.
01:50:35.000They're only three-minute rounds, and then you start again.
01:50:37.000So you're getting repeated punishment to the head.
01:50:40.000And then there's also the issue of guys' weight cutting, which is a problem with the UFC as well.
01:50:45.000But weight cutting in boxing has led to, if you look at deaths in boxing, there's very few of them in the heavyweight division.
01:50:51.000Most of the deaths in boxing are the lighter weight divisions.
01:50:53.000Because when guys dehydrate themselves to lose weight, to make weight, their brain is the last thing that gets rehydrated.
01:51:01.000Like, it's very difficult to completely rehydrate your brain quickly.
01:51:06.000And you only have 24 hours between the weigh-in and the fight.
01:51:08.000And it used to be the weigh-ins were the day of the fight.
01:51:11.000Like when Boom Boom Mancini had a fight with Dukku Kim and killed him in the ring, which is one of the last ones on television that we've seen.
01:52:45.000But if you looked at accomplishments in terms of championship fights, Khabib retired 29-0, but he didn't have as many world championship fights.
01:54:58.000But it's like fighters can only compete at that level for so many years.
01:55:01.000And so my opinion, you have to judge them at their very peak.
01:55:05.000You can't judge them when they're hanging on and still fighting.
01:55:07.000You can't judge them when they're coming up.
01:55:09.000You got to judge them in that championship peak.
01:55:12.000In that championship peak, there's a handful of guys that you would consider at the very top.
01:55:17.000If they stopped a little bit sooner, some of them would have had, you know, I mean, there are a couple that you just mentioned without mentioning names.
01:55:24.000If they stopped, they had the perfect, they were unbelievable, and then at a certain age, they start getting knocked out, right?
01:55:30.000Yes, it's unfortunate, but the thing is that same belief in themselves that lets them become a champion makes them think that they can do it long past the time that they actually can.
01:55:38.000Well, Anderson Silva was essentially unbeatable, and then he lost a close one, and then all of a sudden...
01:55:46.000He was kind of clowning in that fight, famously, and Chris Weidman had a vicious left hook, knocked him out, and then they fought a second time, and he broke his leg on Chris Weidman.
01:55:55.000And after that fight, he was kind of never the same, because that leg break injury, which Conor McGregor had, there's quite a few fighters, Weidman actually wound up having the same injury, ironically.
01:56:11.000Weidman is still kicking with that leg.
01:56:13.000You can, but psychologically, when you throw a kick and your leg snaps in half and you're in agony for a year, right, you have to get surgery, you have to get bolts and plates to keep your leg together, and then it takes forever for it to heal.
01:56:37.000Yeah, but your shin gets very numb after a while.
01:56:41.000And guys that are really good kickers, they're kicking the thigh, and they're kicking the calf, they're kicking soft areas, and they're slamming this hard, numb shin off.
01:56:50.000Their shin gets all these, like, micro-fractures all over the shin and it calcifies.
01:56:56.000Like, these guys can kick baseball bats.
01:56:58.000You ever see them break baseball bats with their shins?
01:57:57.000And I love this Make America Healthy Again idea because there are chemicals and ingredients that are in our food that are illegal in other countries because they've been shown to be toxic.
01:58:08.000There's pesticides and herbicides and there's a lot of shit that's been sprayed on our food that really is unnecessary and there's a lot of health consequences that people are suffering from a lot of these things.
01:58:29.000I'm going to send this to RFK Jr. I was actually talking to RFK today, and he told me that more than 70% of young men are ineligible for the military because of their health.
02:01:40.000Because, you know, there's a strain of polio that comes directly from the vaccine, because unfortunately, sometimes when you vaccinate people for polio, you actually give them polio.
02:01:49.000I mean, all I can do is I sit down and I listen to him and I'll give it a total.
02:01:54.000I would love him to be right because if he's right, it's a lot less expensive, generally speaking.
02:01:59.000There's two things that people point to when they point to the dangers of the pharmaceutical drug industry.
02:02:07.000One thing is when pharmaceutical drugs were allowed to advertise on television.
02:02:11.000We're only one of two countries in the world that allow pharmaceutical drugs to advertise on TV. The other one's New Zealand, but they're more restrictive than we are.
02:02:20.000But those ads, those ads, when you hear like, you know, take a certain drug.
02:02:23.000And then you hear all the consequences.
02:02:25.000And then you say, it causes cancer and baldness.
02:03:10.000Well, one of the things that they pointed out, and this is a very important thing for people to understand, is what a lot of these drugs do is they act to somehow or another mitigate the effects of poor metabolic health.
02:03:25.000But most of these problems that these people are suffering from wouldn't exist if we put an emphasis on metabolic health.
02:03:31.000If people got healthier, they started eating nutritious food and taking vitamins, a whole host of these problems that people are having would go away.
02:03:40.000And the problem with that from the pharmaceutical drug standpoint is they wouldn't be able to sell drugs to these people.
02:03:45.000And this is a fear that a lot of people have.
02:03:48.000And the pesticides and things like that on the plants, what do you think of that?
02:03:52.000Well, I think regenerative agriculture, unfortunately, is very difficult to scale to a point where you've got a jack-in-the-box on every corner.
02:03:58.000If everybody wants food, and we have food deserts, and we have places like Los Angeles where no one's growing anything, and everything has to be shipped in, it's very difficult to feed that many people.
02:04:09.000We've created this incredible society where we have these enormous cities, but it's in It's very difficult to get food to these people.
02:04:16.000And then for a lot of these people in low-income areas, the only food that's available is cheap, unhealthy food.
02:08:09.000And when I heard she took off yesterday and she took off the day before and she's going to take off tomorrow or the next day, I haven't taken a day off in 56 days.
02:11:55.000But that's the problem with propagandists because they take things out of context and ultimately what they do is they diminish their own credibility because people don't want to listen to them anymore because they see that they've done that and they recognize what's going on and they feel insulted.
02:12:08.000Their intelligence is getting insulted.
02:14:11.000They did something that's only done in third world countries.
02:14:14.000They came after their political opponent.
02:14:16.000I could have put Crooked Hillary in jail.
02:14:18.000Well, not only that, but they're weaponizing it by saying that that's what you're going to do once you get in office by ignoring what they're doing right now.
02:14:44.000You know, the presidency has tremendous power.
02:14:47.000I could have put Crooked Hillary in jail.
02:14:50.000I respected that you didn't because what you said was it would be bad for the country.
02:14:53.000No, I couldn't even imagine you have, first of all, Secretary of State, but more importantly, the wife of the President of the United States of America, Going into jail.
02:15:03.000And if you ever saw, when I'd say something about her, they'd all say, I didn't say it.
02:15:57.000And all it was is he wanted more airtime.
02:16:00.000If he would have gone up and said, I've thoroughly investigated Hillary Clinton and she's done nothing that we feel is wrong, it would have ended.
02:16:11.000Instead, he wanted to be up there because he's a PR hound.
02:20:13.000They swept that story because they said it was Russian disinformation, even though they knew it was not.
02:20:18.000So that's two examples that are real examples.
02:20:22.000Now, anyone who considers himself a legitimate, objective observer of American politics, if you really want the best person to win, you would want people to not lie.
02:20:34.000And the only reason why they got away with this lie was because they continually labeled you as this horrible threat to democracy and Hitler.
02:20:43.000They kept saying you were going to be a dictator, ignoring the fact that you weren't a dictator for the four years where you were actually the president.
02:20:50.000I was actually the opposite of a dictator.
02:21:59.000First of all, I hate the idea of the presidential debates because I hate the idea of a time limitation on complex ideas.
02:22:05.000Also, you have to break— I think you have to have the debates.
02:22:07.000Right, but the way they do the debates, I think, is the wrong way to do it.
02:22:11.000I think they should have a conversation.
02:22:12.000I think you and Kamala, you sit across the table with no one in the room but the two of you.
02:22:19.000Of course you're not going to shout each other.
02:22:21.000Of course you're not going to insult each other.
02:22:22.000I mean, it may get— They used to do it that way.
02:22:25.000Hopefully it wouldn't, but that would be the way to do it.
02:22:27.000They used to do it that way in the old days.
02:22:28.000To put cameras on you with no one interfering with checking whether or not it's factual, especially when it's biased, because they checked you all those times and they didn't check her, with clearly things that were inaccurate, right?
02:22:42.000So have two people just have a conversation with us without a time constraint.
02:22:47.000And also this idea that they cut off the microphone.
02:27:17.000I didn't think our conversation was a throwaway, but I thought that was, I thought I'd walk in, and that was only to highlight the fact, and I have a friend, he owns like 56 of these McDonald's, and he said, do you want to use one?
02:29:33.000What I don't understand is, who would want people to come into our country from places unknown, like sometimes they'll say about a fighter, from parts unknown, right?
02:29:43.000Remember Haystack's Cajun, from parts, he says from parts, the oldest, those are the oldest, that's even before you.
02:29:49.000But who would want people to come in It's pouring into our country.
02:30:24.000And if you think about the amount of money that they've given them when they've come here, the food stamps, the benefits that even our poor people aren't getting.
02:35:48.000Well, it doesn't make sense any other way.
02:35:51.000I've tried to straw-man it, or I've tried to steel-man it, rather.
02:35:54.000I've tried to, like, look at it from a position like, why would you not want people to have ID? And a lot of the ideas are just ridiculous.
02:36:02.000You need an ID to get a driver's license.
02:36:06.000Gavin Newsom, one of the worst governors in the world, and I used to, frankly, I used to get along, but I don't get along with him, because he's just too, you know, it's just a whole con job.
02:36:18.000The other day signed a bill that you are not allowed to ask a person, even ask them whether or not they have a voter ID. Now, what could be a charitable reason why anybody would want that?
02:41:25.000And it's a narrative that appeals to people that are not doing well.
02:41:28.000And they're like, yeah, our problems are that these rich people are not paying taxes.
02:41:31.000Well, the problem is that the rich people are going to leave and they're going to close up their companies and then the other people aren't going to have jobs.
02:42:41.000One of the things that I want to talk to you about is the JFK files.
02:42:45.000One of the things that you said was that if they showed you what they showed me, this is your quote, you wouldn't want people to know it either.
02:44:23.000I'm going to do it immediately, almost immediately upon entering office.
02:44:27.000Well, the thing, when people look at it from the outside and you sort of imagine what could be a reason why they would not release those files, it would be there's people that were implicated in the assassination.
02:44:41.000Well, when there are living people, you generally tend not to want to do it.
02:47:37.000I mean, when I looked at what China did to this, they would have never done it with me, where they put the balloon up.
02:47:42.000And a lot of people thought for a little while that that was one of these things.
02:47:47.000Well, that's a lot of the speculation, too, that some of these drones that hover over battleships, that these are Chinese drones, and that they're not UFOs.
02:48:18.000Well, I mean, just the Commander David Fravor thing in 2004 off the coast of San Diego, they clocked that thing going from 50,000 feet above sea level to 50 in a second.
02:51:27.000Well, it's a very—to me, it's an easy question because I think I can do it easily, but it's a complex question in the sense that the times change.
02:55:17.000And some of our phones are made in places like Foxconn where they have nets around the building to keep people from jumping off the roof because they have so many suicides.
02:55:24.000Like, wouldn't it be better to have an American-made iPhone where you know people are paid good wages, they have health insurance, they're taken care of, they can live a good life, where you're not buying a piece of electronics that's cheaper because someone has to suffer in a horrible way that's not even legal in the United States.
02:55:41.000It's not even legal to have them work that way in the United States so they get these people to build them overseas.
02:55:46.000You do it, but let me just tell you, that chip deal is so bad.
02:55:50.000We put up billions of dollars for rich companies to come in and borrow the money and build chip companies here, and they're not going to give us the good companies anyway.
02:55:59.000All you had to do is charge them tariffs.
02:56:01.000If you were to put a tariff on the chips coming in, you would have been able to, just like the auto companies, no different.