On this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, Joe talks about his time at the Democratic National Convention with Sen. Kamala Harris. He also talks about why he thinks Bernie Sanders is a better presidential candidate than Hillary Clinton, and why he doesn t care what other people think of him. Joe also discusses why he s a hypocrite when it comes to defending the right to free speech and why you should be able to be an educated hypocrite if you don t want to infringe on people s free speech. Joe also gives his thoughts on the current state of the Democratic Party and what it means to be a liberal in the 21st century and why it s time to go back to the roots of our politics. Joe is a standup comedian, standup comic, podcaster, and podcaster. He is a regular contributor on Comedy Central and hosts a show called "The Opposition" on HBO's Hard Knocks. He is also the host of the radio show "Hard Knocks" on SiriusXM Radio's Hard Talk and is a frequent guest on the Hard Talk Radio show Hard Talk with Alex Blumberg. If you like what you hear, please HIT SUBSCRIBE on Apple Podcasts and leave us a review and tell a friend about what you think of the episode! and don t forget to tell us what you thought of it! in the comments section below! Thank you so much for listening, and we really appreciate it. Peace, Love, Blessings, Cheers, Brett, and Cheers. -Jon and Joe Rocha -Jonestown Studios. -Todays: Jonestown Podcast: -The Joe Rogans Podcast -Joe Rogan Show -The Root - The Roster - The Root - The Lonely Hour - The Late Night Show - The Good, The Bad, The Weirdest Thing - The New York Times - The Other Side - The Most Beautiful - The Vagabaugh - The People s Guide - The Average Joe Podcast - The Pizzazz - The Kabbalah - The Realest Thing - The Good Morning Show - , & More! - Thank You, Jonestory - The Big Boy Podcast Thank You're a Good Gave Me Out? - The Best Thing? of the Podcasts - The Real Life Podcast? - Jon s Podcast - Jon s Radio Show?
00:00:54.000She wants to, you know, drink a Red Bull, fucking party on.
00:00:57.000Yeah, but I think this idea that you're being a diva is silly because you're asking her, you're offering her the opportunity to do exactly what the other candidate did, right?
00:01:05.000Well, she actually reached out when she found out that he was coming on.
00:02:47.000It's just people pick a fucking team, and then whatever that team says, they can do no harm.
00:02:54.000They will do their best to marginalize the horrible effects of the furthest extreme version of that, whether it's Antifa or the Proud Boys.
00:03:49.000And so for me, it was always like the liberals were the ones who wanted education and open-mindedness.
00:03:55.000The liberals who were the ones with the ACLU let the Nazis talk and let them have a rally.
00:04:01.000They said you can't infringe on people's free speech because if you infringe on the speech of people that you disagree with, You're being a fucking hypocrite.
00:04:09.000The only solution to bad speech is better speech.
00:04:14.000But when they had the power over social media and these collective groups of people that all had the same ideology, and then that tribal mentality kicks in and you lose the perspective That you should have as an educated person that recognizes that everyone has to be able to talk and we have to figure out who's right.
00:04:35.000And you might be clinging to this idea that you're right and you're going to do the whole thing a terrible disservice.
00:04:42.000You know, the thing that I loved about the left, Joe, was the anti-establishment left.
00:04:47.000The left that were like, you know, we're going to challenge authority.
00:04:49.000We're not going to listen to what the parties in charge may be saying.
00:04:54.000You know, what I used to listen to Bill Hicks when I was a kid, when I was 19, and go, ah, you know, that to me was like a totem of the left.
00:05:04.000But you just look at what happened to the left and what I saw in my own country and here and it just seemed like this herd mentality came in and the moment you started questioning or pushing back It was the moment you just found yourself exiled from the group,
00:05:24.000and it just seemed that what I fell in love with at one point in my life no longer existed.
00:05:39.000When you have people that are supposedly progressive and liberal and they're opposed to the idea that free speech is an absolute right as an American citizen, it's very, very important.
00:05:53.000It's very important because too many people can decide what you can and can't say.
00:05:58.000Like when Tim Walz was saying free speech doesn't apply to hate speech and misinformation.
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00:08:53.000I think the concern about inaccurate information is perfectly valid and a legitimate thing for us to worry about in an ecosystem where information travels so quickly.
00:09:02.000It's not an illegitimate thing to be concerned about.
00:09:05.000But you can't have one side Also, there's this inherent problem with business being entangled in information and that's what happened when these tech companies exploded.
00:09:28.000So, business, an enormous business, not small business, business like Google and Facebook and Apple, and these are huge businesses.
00:09:38.000And all of a sudden, they are in charge of information.
00:10:10.000So you have, for the first time ever, human beings are Capable of just with a device they carry around with them that has unbelievable amounts of power.
00:10:20.000That device has, first of all, you can be on it for like, what, 20 hours now, the new ones?
00:10:25.000They're like 20-hour battery life of just you staring at a fucking screen all day.
00:10:30.000And you're getting connected with an infinite number of ideas that are constantly coming your way.
00:10:37.000And it's almost all in the hands of left wing.
00:10:42.000The left wing party is Google, it's Facebook, it's all these companies that have massive power.
00:10:48.000And until Elon stepped in and bought Twitter, there was no counter to that.
00:11:33.000And if you're the biggest thing, and what is in your interest?
00:11:37.000Well, definitely controlling the information.
00:11:40.000We would like to control, and we also want some cultural beach balls that we could chuck around so people get distracted and throw them back and forth at each other.
00:11:48.000There's a bunch of Republicans that love the fact that there's these gender-affirming care centers.
00:12:32.000This election, I think there is one thing going on which I'm actually really hopeful about, which is You know, you had Trump on on Friday.
00:12:40.000Like, the conversation is moving from the clickbait, five seconds, mainstream media, journalists will tell you what to think, to a three-hour conversation, you get to see the real person.
00:12:52.000If that continues, which it will, and by the time of the next election, this format will be the dominant format, I think.
00:12:59.000The type of person who is going to be selected for positions of leadership will be a different type of person than the type of person who's selected on 10-second soundbites on mainstream media.
00:13:10.000But you certainly have a way better grasp of who they are.
00:13:39.000If this format takes over, that will change.
00:13:41.000And I don't know, it might just be a small blip on the road down to oblivion, but it might just be actually the thing that changes the type of leaders we elect.
00:13:59.000I love what he's done his entire career.
00:14:02.000And I love what he's trying to do with health.
00:14:04.000I mean, this is a real issue that we all face and we're all being poisoned and they're profiting off of it and we're not doing shit about it.
00:14:13.000Meanwhile, you stop psychedelics from being given to veterans to help them with PTSD. It doesn't make any sense.
00:14:21.000And they have so much control over what you say and do.
00:14:25.000Because if you can decide that something is unsuitable for the population, like the drug schedule program they have in the United States, right?
00:14:36.000They have Schedule 1, 2, and 3, depending upon if there's any medicinal use for it.
00:14:41.000And psychedelics are all on Schedule 1. That is crazy.
00:14:44.000If you're telling me there's no medicinal use, you could get thousands of people to testify in Congress about soldiers in particular.
00:15:27.000And psychedelics are proven to help that.
00:15:31.000So the fact that there's some sort of an organization that thinks that somehow or another that is bad, that this thing that doesn't kill anybody, literally like the LD50 rate for psilocybin is something insane.
00:16:12.000But for everybody else, there should be a conversation where we figure out how to make the world a better place.
00:16:19.000And one of the ways to make the world a better place is to make people more kind, more compassionate, and more understanding.
00:16:25.000And that's something that psychedelics provides.
00:16:27.000And the fact that that is somehow or another listed by a country that is the leader of the free world in the most information-rich time alive.
00:16:38.000There's so much access to information.
00:16:40.000We all know what they really are and what they're not, and yet this organization that somehow or another, this shadow organization that controls what we do, tells you you can't have that.
00:16:58.000And as long as we keep stupid shit like that, people will never have hope that there's going to be a better horizon, a better future.
00:17:05.000They would think that all these things are so – it takes so long just for marijuana.
00:17:10.000Look, marijuana is still not federally legal, but it's legal in like half the states.
00:17:14.000It took so long for people – they're drinking whiskey on every fucking corner.
00:17:19.000People are just doing shots and drinking tequila and – Marijuana is something that gets you locked in a cage.
00:17:26.000As long as something like that exists that's preposterous and completely illogical, the good that it serves is the ruling class gets to rule without logic.
00:17:36.000Because it doesn't have to make sense.
00:18:19.000You know, on our show, we interviewed a guy called Dr. David Nutt, who's a neuropharmacologist.
00:18:25.000And he's in charge of the hallucinogenic trials in Imperial College London, looking at how these particular drugs can alleviate PTSD, anxiety, other types of mental health disorders and depression.
00:18:40.000And the results that are coming out of there are fantastic.
00:18:43.000That is actually showing that a lot of drugs like psilocybin are in fact far more effective than prescription meds when it comes to alleviating conditions like depression.
00:18:53.000And it's really impressive what they're doing.
00:18:56.000You know, I've talked to a lot of guys.
00:19:44.000Normal dose would be 20 to 30. It actually says no lethal overdose potential.
00:19:49.000It says there's no potential for dying.
00:19:52.000The recommended therapeutic dose for optimum effects is 20 to 30 milligrams for an average-sized individual, 70 kilograms or 154 pounds, for whom the medium lethal dose LD50 is 19,600 milligrams,
00:20:07.000making it virtually impossible to ingest a lethal dose of psilocybin.
00:20:12.000But boy, if you got close, you might figure everything out.
00:20:17.000You just get to the door, and you might be able to come back with enough information like, I've solved it!
00:22:05.000Like, he called some lady that, you know, one of the ladies that he allegedly had an affair with, he called her horseface on Twitter while he was a sitting president.
00:22:39.000He stuck up for Dana when MMA was a band sport and he let them put on his events in Trump Casino in Atlantic City.
00:22:50.000So Dana loves the guy and they've always had a good friendship.
00:22:55.000He got mad at me one time because I said that RFK Jr. was the only guy that makes sense.
00:23:01.000But I was essentially saying it the same way I'm saying it here.
00:23:04.000It's like what RFK Jr. is, he talks about facts and talks about reality and he talks about issues and he talks about studies and what we know about things.
00:23:15.000And he doesn't attack people, and I think we could all use more of that.
00:23:19.000Even if he's writing something about something, like in that book, The Real Anthony Fauci, it's because it's true, and it's not good information, and it affects all of us.
00:23:28.000It's not like personally attacking someone.
00:23:31.000And I think that personal attack stuff is what bothers people.
00:24:35.000He sat here for three fucking hours, man, and didn't have to pee before, didn't have to pee afterwards, just gets on the fucking plane, flies to Michigan, does the other thing, he's two hours late.
00:25:57.000She's like 83. You know what it kind of feels like?
00:25:59.000You know when you're in school and the teacher leaves, gets called out, and then it's just you in the class, the rest of the class, and you're looking around going, what the fuck's going on?
00:26:44.000It's like, if you don't want to quit your job to apply for another job, the people that have already employed you are like, hey, fuckface, you're not even here every day.
00:26:57.000Like, I've never seen an employee where you're not on the job, and yet you're still here, and if you don't get the new job, you get to come back and be in this job?
00:27:30.000So that's the nuttiest thing about running for president for reelection, right?
00:27:35.000So in Kamala Harris's case, she's not necessarily really running for reelection because she's the vice president, but she's also the vice president that's running for president.
00:27:44.000So she has the second most important job in the world, and she's not doing it because she has to run for the first most important job.
00:28:22.000People always used to say to us when we started trigonometry, they were like, you know, the whole free speech thing is bullshit, blah, blah, blah.
00:28:28.000You just want to be able to say racist things.
00:40:22.000And, you know, we've traveled to many countries.
00:40:25.000I have to say, when it comes to legal immigration, I haven't been to a place that's more pro-immigrant at the level of the ordinary person than this country.
00:40:33.000Well, we love an immigrant success story.
00:40:45.000That's the things that my friends from England always tell me, is that there's this real sort of, there's an idea in the culture to keep people in their place.
00:40:56.000And they don't like when someone has wild aspirations, and they'll try to shit on you.
00:41:01.000He says there's no support at all for you chasing your dreams.
00:41:06.000Well, look, Francis was born in the UK. I came there when I was 11. I love Britain, but there is this element where you're not supposed to strive.
00:41:15.000You're not supposed to think you're special.
00:41:17.000You're not supposed to try and achieve too much.
00:41:20.000Like, everyone loves you as long as you're not too successful.
00:41:22.000But if you really think you want to be successful, it becomes more difficult.
00:41:27.000And that's why a lot of those people end up coming here.
00:41:36.000And now the tax system too, with this government that we have now, they're literally, we're losing more millionaires than any other country in the world except China.
00:41:44.000Didn't France do that at one point in time?
00:41:45.000Enact an enormous tax and a shit ton of people left and they wound up losing money?
00:42:04.000That's how America got started in the first place.
00:42:06.000What we're seeing in the UK, as far as I'm concerned, and I'm sure Constant has his own view on this, is we're seeing, for me, the slow creep of...
00:42:16.000I would say soft authoritarianism, but not even that.
00:42:51.000He said it's like you should go there and do American stand-up, because they're basically, like, a lot of them are telling stories, and they have a theme every year.
00:42:58.000But he goes, it's really cool, though.
00:45:22.000The picture was controversial for sexual explicitness, including acts like female on male rape, but unlike the novel, received little to no critical praise and has been cited as one of the worst films ever made.
00:45:37.000In subsequent decades, the film has developed a cult following.
00:46:07.000Yeah, yeah, and then you listen to it and you go this is really progressive and then it ends with I know what she is.
00:46:14.000She's a man So and then I'm like well you'd get cancelled for this bit now, bro You know the craziest song the crazy song is brown sugar.
00:46:21.000Oh, yeah Rolling Stone doesn't even play brown sugar anymore I went to see them in concert and they said they would not put what they've already said in interviews It's like it's too controversial song and then I saw the lyrics Like, I had only heard the song.
00:47:04.000I saw an interview with Keith Richards where they were like, where the person said to him, and maybe this was Keith Richards fucking about with the journalist, where the journalist went, so, you know, obviously Brown Sugar's about heroin.
00:50:13.000There is now a vacuum for people to step in because it got to the point, particularly with TV comedy in the UK, and I remember saying it to comics and a comedy club, people's WhatsApp group is now funnier than TV comedy.
00:50:26.000And part of the reason is because if everybody saw your WhatsApp group, we'd all be cancelled.
00:50:49.000But why did we get to a point where we just believe that every joke was true, that every joke was a statement of fact?
00:50:58.000We don't believe it, but certain people want to use it because they're words written on paper or words spoken out loud, and they want to use it as if it's a real statement.
00:51:07.000Just like the analogy I made about Quentin Tarantino movies.
00:51:09.000It's not really killing anybody in those movies.
00:51:11.000It's like you want to pretend that this thing that this person's doing, you could decide it sucks, you could decide it's hateful, you don't like it, it's not your kind of comedy, it's punching down.
00:51:22.000You can come up with all sorts of reasons why you don't like it.
00:51:24.000But that's like the same kind of reasons why you don't like ACDC, you know, and you like Liz Phair.
00:51:30.000Like everybody has their own thing that they like and don't like.
00:51:34.000But you can't pretend that it's a statement.
00:54:22.000And then it got to the point where you only had to write Joe Rogan—they fixed it a little—where you write Joe Rogan Trump interview, and then it would come up.
00:54:32.000But if you just wrote Rogan Trump, only you get the clips.
00:54:36.000Do you think— It kind of worked for the Hunter Biden laptop story, what they did and their tactics around it.
00:54:44.000Now, obviously, it came out later and it was a big scandal, but at the time, it kind of worked.
00:54:49.000Do you think they might have thought, well, you know, it kind of worked for this, therefore we should try it for this?
00:54:54.000I think they're desperate because they had no idea it was going to be that popular and it's a runaway train and they hate it because ideologically they're opposed to the idea of him being more popular.
00:55:04.000It's just like what we were talking about before, the left wing being in control of these massive Media distribution companies like YouTube or like Facebook.
00:55:14.000They're massive companies They have so much influence on everything and they didn't like that this one was slipping away and so they did something and Jamie showed me like the image of the Interactions like when it when they did that it dropped off a cliff Because people couldn't find it so they just gave up or they just watch the clips So you see like how much downloads it's getting and then it just What about that claim about the reporting taking it down?
00:56:49.000That's why this election is so dangerous.
00:56:52.000The reason why this election is so dangerous is we've accepted that someone could be the representative without going through a primary.
00:56:59.000So, because we had to get rid of Joe Biden, and everybody kind of agreed after the debate, like, oh my god, he's literally falling apart.
00:57:06.000And they decided not to have a primary.
00:57:09.000And so, once they do that, then you have the whole machine behind it, because there's a desperate attempt to redefine who this person is in front of everybody's eyes.
00:57:19.000This person that everybody thought, like, uses word salad, and all of a sudden, now they're the number one person.
00:58:53.000You have the most popular podcast in the country.
00:58:56.000Why wouldn't he want to express his ideas out to the world?
00:58:59.000Because they didn't want him, and he was appealing after that kind of a conversation.
00:59:04.000And you're like, oh, so you're just going to take a fraction of a penny off of speculative trades, and you'll be able to fund all these things like education?
00:59:44.000They had one guy, and that was Joe Biden, until it wasn't.
00:59:47.000And then when it wasn't, it was like, Kamala, you gotta be it and then they just went hard pushing her through and it worked really good until some of these interviews, right?
00:59:59.000Because that those interview things are just a super unnatural way to talk You know you have live cameras in front of you and all these people and already She's got to be aware of how many people are hating on her.
01:00:11.000She has to be aware She has to be aware of how many people don't think she deserves a spot.
01:00:16.000She just got in and Joe, can I ask you something?
01:00:57.000What do I have to do to keep this job?
01:00:59.000And those are essentially the people that are running the show because she's busy and he's not there.
01:01:04.000So, like, those people want to keep their job.
01:01:06.000So that's what you're experiencing right now.
01:01:09.000But man, you know, sorry, Francis, just to finish.
01:01:12.000Like, it sounds like a trite and rather obvious thing to say, but you're running to be the leader of the most powerful country in the world.
01:03:09.000So you have people that- it's one of the vulnerabilities of American politics is its strength.
01:03:14.000And one of the strengths is that you don't have someone who stays in and just keeps running things and becomes a dictator.
01:03:20.000You have to get out of there after eight years at most.
01:03:23.000The bad part about it is every four fucking years we have someone who's new doing the hardest job in the world that's- they've never done it before.
01:03:32.000Even Trump said at the beginning of his term, he did not know how to appoint people.
01:05:17.000You stopped the person who actually could have won the election for you, who could have cut through to the average American.
01:05:24.000You didn't want that and you screwed it up for yourself.
01:05:27.000And then you had a tantrum at the end of it blaming everyone.
01:05:30.000And then there was also the polls, right?
01:05:32.000The polls had her winning, like, by a huge margin.
01:05:35.000I think on election night, it was like a 90% chance she was going to be the president, something crazy.
01:05:41.000So for him to show that the polls were bullshit, It's good in a way, but it's also like now they're going to tighten things down significantly.
01:05:51.000If the same sort of apparatus that would keep a guy like Bernie Sanders out or a guy like Robert F. Kennedy Jr. out, they're not playing fair.
01:05:59.000They're not interested in playing fair.
01:06:08.000They're they're engaging in corporate warfare.
01:06:11.000It's like or legal fair It's like they're used they're weaponizing the justice system to go after their opponent They're doing everything they can all of the things.
01:06:19.000What's your sense of how it's gonna go?
01:06:22.000I have zero idea zero idea I do not like that people are suing to make sure that voter ID isn't required.
01:06:32.000People are suing to stop people from using ID to vote.
01:06:39.000The only reason why you would do that is you want people to vote that shouldn't be voting.
01:07:17.000Ethnic minorities went through it, became American citizens, actually got the legal right to vote, they're proud of it, and they're like, hey, do what I did.
01:09:17.000And to then smear that person as right wing, it's obscene.
01:09:23.000It's also you're giving power to the people that take advantage of these illegal immigrants, air quotes, because they can get those people to work for less money.
01:09:31.000So you're empowering bad people to use cheap illegal labor.
01:09:37.000And that becomes a problem because they'd use it all the time, especially if there's no inspections.
01:09:42.000I mean, how many different plants have been busted across the country using illegal aliens?
01:09:51.000In fact, Tim Dillon said that that was one of the, he believes, one of the motivations of having the border so porous, he thinks, is to get cheap labor.
01:10:21.000They can't believe they're in America and they're actually making money and there's a road to at least some level of prosperity that exists here.
01:10:31.000So you're empowering scumbags to pay people below, you know, standard wages.
01:10:37.000And then you're crippling all the people that are the workers, who don't have any say, who are illegally, who are, you know, they know what they're supposed to get.
01:10:47.000They demand fair wages and health insurance and all the things that you should get employees.
01:10:51.000Yeah, and it's also as well, look, my mom's Venezuelan, so, and I've got family in this country, I know a lot of Venezuelan people in this country, and then I see what illegal Venezuelans are doing, like El Tren de Aragua, that gang.
01:11:06.000I like how you rolled your bars on there, it's pretty good.
01:11:16.000I need to do it, otherwise no one believes me, Joe.
01:11:19.000But, you know, I can tell you this for a fact.
01:11:22.000Every single Venezuelan who came here legally works hard, went through the hoops, To escape Venezuela, to create a better life for themselves and their family, are utterly mortified and horrified at the actions of those criminals and what is happening in this country.
01:11:39.000Because not only is it terrible for the victims, but it also reflects badly on us.
01:11:45.000Like, you now go on Venezuelan and people think, oh what, like that criminal gang?
01:11:49.000Well, it's also weird that it's taking place in what they call a sanctuary city, where the cops are kind of, they're handcuffed as to what they can do with these people.
01:11:58.000And one of the weirdest ones was someone was having a conversation with this woman where they were talking about these gangs.
01:12:32.000That illegal aliens who came across, who are armed to the tits, are part of a dangerous, enormous, organized gang, have taken over apartment buildings and are extorting all the people that live there.
01:14:18.000There's a great book about that, right?
01:14:20.000Defining a corporation as a psychopath, as we talked about before this...
01:14:25.000Need to constantly grow, and this obligation to your shareholders to do whatever it takes to make the most amount of money.
01:14:33.000If you were a corporation and you wanted to control the whole country, what would you do?
01:14:37.000Well, I would incentivize people to vote one way, and I would move them in and make their life way better than it ever was before, and then let them in, and the other side saying, we're going to deport you.
01:14:48.000Well then, the other side's definitely not who you're gonna vote for.
01:14:50.000So now all I have to do is let you vote.
01:14:54.000So I can either let you vote by telling you how you don't need ID, just go ahead and vote.
01:14:58.000I can do it by offering amnesty to a certain amount of people.
01:15:02.000And then there's this thing that they keep saying that these people are here legally.
01:15:06.000But the way they're here legally is a new thing.
01:15:10.000And this new thing that they started doing during COVID is they use this shipping app To schedule amnesty meetings now.
01:15:18.000So they allow you to get into the country with this app that was really only for shipping.
01:15:25.000So this app was originally used, so like say if you came here from England or whatever and you wanted to sell some stuff, you could be here for a while while you're shipping and bringing your stuff over.
01:15:35.000This is like a way that you could register so they know where you are and then you could leave.
01:15:39.000So now they changed it during COVID and made it so this app now allows you to schedule an entrance into the country.
01:17:20.000He's made this population collapse argument, which doesn't seem right to people because they're stuck in traffic, but it is right.
01:17:25.000If you really pay attention to the amount of people that are actually having children and what it's going to be like in the future, South Korea apparently is a gigantic disaster.
01:18:09.000That is not an argument for legal immigration.
01:18:11.000How much can you learn about someone in a short period of time when they're coming to the border?
01:18:16.000Because there's those numbers of, I think it's over the last 10 years, how many murderers have come through, how many rapists have come through.
01:19:06.000So to say that it's possible means that you've been derelict in your duty.
01:19:10.000You haven't saved us from the potential of us being invaded.
01:19:14.000And it's also as well, then what you are naturally going to get, if that is a concern, a major concern for the average working person, you are going to get a politician who is going to address those concerns and is going to make it front and center of their campaign.
01:19:32.000Because that is politics and that's how it works and that's a good thing.
01:19:36.000You need those people to address the concerns of ordinary people.
01:19:39.000But then they come in and then they start going, this is a Nazi rally, this is so...
01:19:45.000And you're just going, oh, not only do you not want to have the conversation, not only do you want to justify your ideas, you want to bully, smear and harass those people with perfectly legitimate concerns.
01:20:01.000So what you're going to get is what happens when someone has a very real concern about something and you smear them and you call them horrendous names.
01:20:10.000Those concerns aren't going to go anywhere.
01:20:12.000They're going to get really angry, they're going to fester, and eventually it will turn into something nasty.
01:20:21.000By doing this and continually ratcheting up the police, like a pressure cooker, continually ratcheting up the pressure, eventually it's going to boil over.
01:20:31.000And I look at them and I think to myself, do you know the forces that you are messing with?
01:20:58.000They run the risk of that with these gangs taking over apartment buildings and them not stopping it.
01:21:03.000All of it's very scary, because that's what everyone's worried about.
01:21:06.000What everyone's worried is that our level of crime is going to rise up, because you're bringing people from crime-ridden areas that have criminal backgrounds, and you're letting them in without vetting them, and you're going to increase the crime.
01:21:15.000And you're going to increase organized crime and cartel crime.
01:21:17.000That scares the fuck out of people, and it should.
01:21:19.000And you can't let that in just because you want to win.
01:21:22.000You can't let that in as a side effect of this goal that you have to bring in these people that are probably wonderful people that just want a better life, and they take this crazy journey where they walk on foot across the country.
01:21:37.000I would 100% do it, too, and I think you would as well.
01:21:39.000If you were living in those countries and the Red Cross gave you a map and said, this is what you got to do, you got to make it up here and go to these people to give you a cell phone, like, okay, you would do it.
01:23:01.000So if you're a hotel guy, right, and Homelands, whoever it is that runs this program, comes along and says, hey, we'll fully occupy your hotel...
01:23:32.000People in Chicago are fucking fed up, man.
01:23:34.000They're like, we've been trying to solve the crime and the poverty problem here forever.
01:23:40.000Citi would not say how much it costs to keep the facility running every day, but Immigrant Affairs Commissioner Manuel Castro emphasized how the cost should be coming from the federal government.
01:23:50.000We hope that the federal government does more in support of asylum seekers.
01:25:56.000America would save a lot of money if it put a lot more money into finding out who's coming here, making sure people have a legitimate claim, they've applied legally, and then you're spending the money where it's supposed to be spent, and then you've got a safe fucking country.
01:27:39.000Well, they do for like $2 an hour, yeah.
01:27:41.000Right, but here's the thing, like if there was more American manufacturing, and this is one of the things that Trump really wants to pursue, is incentivizing American manufacturing and putting tariffs on things that are brought in from overseas.
01:27:54.000If there's more American manufacturing, first of all, one of the things that was exposed during COVID, it was a big one, was how much we rely on stuff that comes from other countries, you know, especially medications.
01:28:16.000This article's also, like, not blaming, but saying a lot has to do with, in 2023, the end of Title 42, where they couldn't expel people for COVID-related reasons anymore.
01:28:45.000Yeah, and the way they talk about it, you know, like Trump did that too.
01:28:50.000They're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats.
01:28:53.000Also, a lot of them are very hard workers.
01:28:55.000If you talk to Springfield, Ohio, one of the things that these people that employ some of these people are saying is they're so thankful that they have this opportunity there.
01:29:04.000Haitians are just like everybody else, man.
01:29:07.000They're just fucking people that want to do better.
01:29:09.000And a lot of these people that hire these folks are saying they're super hard workers, they're doing jobs that nobody wants, they're very thankful for it, it's an opportunity for them.
01:29:19.000Just like all groups of people that come from war-torn, fucked-up places, and they come over here, you're gonna have good ones and bad ones.
01:29:27.000I'm just saying, I just wish that ire, which is perfect, like what you're saying, Francis, this is the point you made very well, is like, you just wish that ire was directed at the people who are allowing this to happen instead of the people who are coming, because that's not going to make things better either.
01:29:42.000What we need is, we need to vet people, but also we need protections to make sure that people aren't being forced to work for inhumane wages.
01:29:50.000And if we start doing that in America, we're no different than Foxconn in China with the fucking suicide nets around the building.
01:29:57.000We're allowing people to take advantage of people that have no hope.
01:30:02.000One of the great things about American manufacturing, if you have a plant in America and you have regulations in terms of what they're supposed to be paid and healthcare and the amount of hours they work...
01:30:16.000You can ensure that you don't have to feel bad about buying a thing from those people.
01:30:34.000So then, wait, you don't have to feel bad that, like, that's what's going on with all these people coming across here, ironically.
01:30:41.000They moved so many jobs and so many things over to Mexico to get people to work for almost nothing so that these fucking corporations can make a little bit more money.
01:31:17.000And what these people don't realize is the effects that has on the community, not only the poverty element of it, but work brings dignity, Joe.
01:31:29.000It doesn't matter, like, you know, the level of job that you have, but if you're going out, particularly for men, and you're doing a job, maybe you hate it, but you know what?
01:31:38.000You're earning enough money, you can feed your kids, you can feed your family, you go, I'm doing my job as a man.
01:31:46.000When you take those jobs, which a lot of, like, for instance, in our country, in the UK, a lot of these places were built around the factory.
01:31:55.000The plant, they were the literal hub of the community, and then you had bars and cafes and restaurants around that.
01:32:01.000When you take that out of a community, you are ripping the literal soul out of it.
01:32:06.000And all of a sudden, these people who once had purpose and dignity have got nothing.
01:32:20.000Nobody wants a life where you are dependent on handouts.
01:32:24.000This is what scares me about the future, really, because of AI. What scares me about the future, and Andrew Yang was really the first guy to bring this up.
01:32:32.000He was talking about automation, and I think that automation and AI, they built a whole road in China in a very short period of time, just using robots and AI. Did you see that?
01:34:14.000You know, and then once they iron the systems out and they get them even better and better and more robust, you're gonna have no need for so many people that are working.
01:34:30.000At the same time, they have AI goggles and fucking, they're watching virtual reality all day and they're not even living in the world anymore.
01:34:38.000You're just getting a check from the government and free food?
01:34:58.000I don't think you could stop it unless something disastrous happens, like a nuclear war or some sort of a horrific natural disaster that kills the grid.
01:35:06.000We are probably just a decade away from an unrecognizable world.
01:35:14.0002014 is not that different than 2024. It's kind of real similar.
01:35:27.0002024 to 2034 is going to be fucking bananas.
01:35:32.000We could see a complete upheaval of society.
01:35:35.000If you have one party that's completely in control of the political process, you know like there's no room for a third party now because they've kind of boxed out The third party.
01:35:43.000There's libertarians, but like, good luck.
01:37:12.000You know, human beings have had to make some major adjustments over the course of human history, right?
01:37:17.000Moving into cities, dealing with mechanized things like cars and trucks and trains.
01:37:24.000These are massive adjustments that we had to make.
01:37:26.000But I don't think any of them are like this one.
01:37:28.000Yeah, this is the industrial revolution on steroids.
01:37:30.000Yeah, and it's also coming at the same time as transhumanism.
01:37:35.000It's coming at the same time as this potential integration with artificial intelligence that we're experiencing.
01:37:43.000Augmented goggles, which is like the tip of the spear, and then you're going to eventually get chips.
01:37:48.000You know, once things like Neuralink and there's a few other competing programs, once they develop something that enhances human productivity, enhances your mental capacity, your ability to perform, maybe physical capacity,
01:38:04.000You know, they're gonna be able to do things in our lifetime that are gonna make being a regular human seem stupid.
01:38:12.000Just like being naked in the cold seems stupid.
01:38:16.000You could just be warm, you fucking idiot.
01:38:19.000They're freezing when you can have a nice down jacket on, you fucking moron.
01:38:23.000And that's what it's gonna be like cognitively.
01:38:25.000Like, why would you want to be depressed when you can have clarity and enlightenment?
01:38:29.000And you could have instantaneous access to the wireless grid as long as you don't have bad thinking, as long as you don't do anything that we don't like, as long as we don't have to shut you off.
01:38:39.000Well, there is a book about this, you know, right?
01:38:43.000Have some Soma and chill the fuck out.
01:38:45.000Bro, that book, when you've read it, Especially because I read it in high school, I think, which was already 1984. So it's like, oh, this is bullshit.
01:38:54.000It's like Space 1999. Didn't really work out that way.
01:38:57.000You know, there was a TV show about people living in space in 1999, because that's what they thought.
01:39:01.000So in the 80s, when did Orwell write that book?
01:40:08.000My fear is that it's going to get to a point where why don't we use AI for government and have really objective government that doesn't have greed or lust or desire or the need for power, ego, or to be validated.
01:42:05.000And that word, it's supposed to have a very specific meaning.
01:42:08.000And it's like, it was a kind of a thing where, like, if someone said that about somebody, you'd go like, holy shit, I better really make sure this guy isn't that.
01:42:15.000I better really make sure this isn't that.
01:42:17.000Yeah, it used to be like, oh my god, that guy's a Nazi?
01:42:19.000Like, you'd want to follow him, see where he's going to some secret meeting.
01:42:34.000It's not good and it also is not good for them because all those mainstream media companies, all the MSNBCs of the world that are doing this kind of shit, you're gonna lose more and more credibility.
01:43:24.000Words no longer mean what they used to.
01:43:26.000I saw this post from Marc Maron, and it's like he was going for the world record about trying to mention the word fascist every other sentence.
01:43:34.000And I'm going, and I'm sure, look, I'm sure Mark's a decent guy and whatever else, but I'm sure if you sat down with Mark and you'd go, Mark, explain to me what fascism is.
01:44:07.000It's very important with human beings.
01:44:09.000And as soon as you conveniently categorize something as fascist and white supremacy, I think is another word he likes to use, you're being silly and you're ruining your own credibility.
01:44:20.000You're going to get a bunch of people that agree with you.
01:44:32.000It's the most amazing thing, this idea that we're all in this together.
01:44:37.000Collectively, we're a tribe of people.
01:44:39.000But we, because of our fucking stupid instincts to be on teams, we've divided ourselves right down the middle, essentially.
01:44:47.000I mean, depending on whose poll or what you want to read, it's kind of like pretty close down the middle.
01:44:54.000And one side thinks the other side is the end of everything, and the other side thinks the same.
01:44:58.000Yeah, it's it's so stupid It's so stupid and it's just we don't have much time human beings live a hundred if you're lucky I'm 57 some three-quarters of the way dead if I'm lucky if everything goes great Why spend any time on nonsense?
01:46:17.000Our social groups are getting smaller and smaller.
01:46:20.000That's just a fact of how society's going.
01:46:24.000Think about the people who've lost friends.
01:46:28.000Whose relationships broke up, marriages broke up over politics.
01:46:33.000There's a guy right now in the UK waking up in a little flat somewhere and he's looking around and he went, oh fuck, I lost my marriage, I don't see my kids anymore because of Brexit.
01:46:50.000It's like if you're married to a Trump supporter and you're a Harris supporter and you're fighting over the dinner table, that person's the enemy.
01:46:57.000Or people get red-pilled, you know, and then they sort of like want to leave their ideological group and then the other person that you're with, maybe a business partner, maybe your lover, they hate you now.
01:47:34.000Why are you putting signs up on your lawn?
01:47:36.000But righteousness is such a drug, man.
01:47:38.000Like when we were standing in that line in New York, there was a guy that walked past and he was like, enjoy your fucking Nazi rally to like a family with young kids.
01:48:39.000But I just feel like very strongly that if it's going to be done, it has to be done like a regular podcast because that's the only way it works.
01:48:46.000The only way it works is just sit down and talk with somebody.
01:48:49.000You can't go to some ballroom and some hotel where they control everything and they have cameras ready and they want to edit stuff out.
01:50:06.000Yeah, I mean that would be how you'd really, like when you see two people on a panel and they're talking about things and one person really knows what they're talking about like Bill Maher or whatever.
01:50:16.000When that happens, it's always fascinating to watch someone like way out of their league and they get exposed.
01:50:22.000But that same person could be doing a softball interview and they look like a wizard.
01:51:49.000I had an argument with a friend of mine once about divorce and that women get more in divorce.
01:51:55.000We were talking about how the divorce system is kind of fucked because lawyers prey upon it in order to jack up their rates, and then they turn the couple against each other.
01:52:06.000They're like, wait, well, he said this.
01:52:50.000Because in his mind, it was always the labor market is unfair because women are getting fucked over because men take advantage of them the way we're talking about them taking advantage of illegal immigrants and making them work for less.
01:53:04.000No, if you were working in a corporation, a woman does just as good a job as a man, and yet she's willing to work for 75 cents, you'd have only women working for you.
01:53:32.000Because, look, the vast majority of people The vast majority only care about fairness.
01:53:38.000They want it to be fair, or as fair as possible.
01:53:41.000And when something is so egregious and so unfair, that's where anger takes hold, that's where resentment takes hold, and that's when people get nasty.
01:53:49.000Because they feel that they've been cheated, and in some cases they have, and they go, you know what, I'm not going to take part in your game, your game's rigged.
01:53:57.000So you know what, fuck you, fuck your game, and this is what I'm gonna do.
01:54:00.000And once that happens, you don't have conversations, you don't have good faith, and you don't have any type of solution to the problem.
01:54:08.000Yeah, and the thing that's gonna help that is psychedelics.
01:54:13.000Take it off the schedule one, you fucking dumbasses.
01:54:17.000Bunch of people that have never experienced it.
01:54:21.000There's a lot of hope in the future, and I think one of the big hopes is that these kind of conversations that we have are popular, where that wasn't even a thing 20 years ago.
01:54:32.000If you were having a conversation about issues, it would be on television, and it would be approved experts.
01:54:39.000It'd be someone who's an expert from a university or someone who's an expert from a corporation, and they would be talking to you about things, or someone from the government.
01:54:47.000They had full control of the narrative.
01:55:06.000Like in the UK, the Conservative Party is having an election now.
01:55:09.000Like whoever wins that, we'll have them on our show and have a conversation and find out, you know, what they're all about.
01:55:15.000And by the time of the next election here and in the UK... I think this is going to be the primary vehicle if you want to get your message out there, this kind of conversation.
01:55:22.000Well, I think they're probably all going to do their own, too, which would behoove them.
01:55:30.000If Rand Paul decided to make a podcast, I bet that would be pretty fucking popular, real popular.
01:55:35.000Look what happened to Tucker Carlson after he left Fox News.
01:55:39.000They fired him from Fox News because they didn't like what he was talking about.
01:55:43.000I don't know what the whole story was.
01:55:45.000I've heard a bunch of different versions of it, but the bottom line is he became way bigger.
01:55:50.000If you thought he was a problem when you had him under control, when he was working for a corporation, now he can talk about whatever he wants.
01:55:57.000He's got some guy on who said he sucked Obama's dick.
01:56:47.000One of the reasons that the BBC is in free fall at the moment and they're hemorrhaging viewers and listeners and all the rest of it is because people think that they're biased and they have every right to.
01:56:58.000But when people talk about the demise of the BBC, most people, they're not happy about it.
01:57:04.000They're sad because they know that it was a valuable place where people from left and right came together to debate ideas, to share ideas, and people would listen and make up their own minds.
01:57:16.000People still crave that, Joe, and that's what gives me hope, is that that's what people want.
01:57:21.000You're going to get people who want to listen to, you know, I was in a gangbang with Obama or whatever it was.
01:58:09.000But in America, to a lesser extent, that was Vice News.
01:58:12.000Like, Vice News used to be incredible.
01:58:15.000Vice News used to do all this really interesting stuff, and I had Shane Smith on from Vice News, who started it, used to be the head of it, and then he walked away from it, and it completely fell apart.
01:58:27.000Well, he left, and then it wasn't just that he left.
01:58:30.000It was also like, who were the people that were coming in, right?
01:58:33.000There are these young, woke kids that are coming in from universities, and all of a sudden, they had this idea of what they should be doing in journalism.
01:58:40.000And it's journalism slash activism, and it just became bullshit.
01:58:45.000And nobody paid attention to it anymore, and it lost all its money.
01:58:48.000Well, that's why I always say, like, people love to shit on the mainstream media, as I do to some extent.
01:58:52.000But my view is, we need a mainstream media, just not this one.
01:58:57.000Well, I think the way to do it is the way it's probably going to be independent mainstream media.
01:59:04.000And when it stops being independent, people will give up on it and go to a real independent one.
01:59:09.000And unfortunately, there'll probably be fake independent ones that are like state-sponsored that are trying to make it look like they're real.
01:59:15.000You're going to get a bunch of CIA plants and a bunch of different intelligence agencies that infiltrate podcasts.
01:59:21.000You're going to have that kind of stuff.
01:59:22.000But that's just like, you know, that's like the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping case when you have 12 different FBI informants and two people that don't know what the fuck is going on.
01:59:34.000These are the people that are coordinating the kidnapping.
01:59:36.000It's mostly the FBI informants, which is just nuts.
02:00:29.000They will be far more accepting of that because you are honest, you're authentic.
02:00:34.000It's like David Mamet said, words that come from the heart go to the heart.
02:00:37.000And if you are prepared to have that honest conversation whilst admitting that this is what you think and this is what you believe, that is a far richer, more fulfilling experience for the viewer or the listener than someone just giving out talking points and saying, I agree, because that rapidly gets very boring.
02:00:54.000There's an audience for it, but, you know, back and forth and the cut and thrust and hang on, you said this, but I love watching that.
02:01:04.000Well, real honest discourse is fascinating, especially by two intelligent people that have different perspectives.
02:01:10.000It's fascinating, because you say, this guy's obviously very smart, and this person's obviously very smart, and they're talking, and you get a chance to see, like, how do you come to your conclusions?
02:01:19.000Are you willing to admit that other people have points?
02:01:23.000Or are you just steamrolling them when they question you about something that's contradictory about the way you think?
02:02:01.000That means that issue is so complicated you cannot discuss it in five minutes.
02:02:05.000It's going to take hours and something really it's going to take you know sometimes it's going to take years of research to come to a conclusion about certain things.
02:02:13.000The idea that you can adjudicate that through the medium of two people having a bust up on a show where they're just it's optimized for anger and outrage.
02:03:04.000It's really important that you hear it.
02:03:07.000And also, it's why I believe, you know, I hate political correctness because it stops conversations from happening.
02:03:14.000Or what it does is it means, like, take immigration.
02:03:18.000If, like, you say, or if you say this point of view, that's racist, you're only going to talk about 70% of the problem.
02:03:25.000You're not going to talk about this 30% here.
02:03:27.000If you don't talk about this 30% here because it's politically incorrect, you are never going to solve the problem because the only way to solve the problem is to talk about every facet of the problem.
02:03:37.000And if you're not going to approach that 30%, we ain't ever going to come to a solution.
02:03:42.000And that's when you get riots like we had in the UK. That's how that happens.
02:03:46.000When you try and suppress the discussion, that's what happens.
02:03:58.000You know, the real fear if Trump wins is civil discourse or civil unrest, rather, in this country.
02:04:06.000A lot of people are scared of that because they remember what happened when he won in 2016. You know, and there was some of it that was real peaceful, like the Women's March.
02:04:14.000There was no violence at the Women's March to speak of.
02:04:17.000I'm sure there was some, but it wasn't like the BLM marches.
02:04:23.000Do you think that's going to happen if he wins?
02:04:26.000I think there's a certain amount of that that's coordinated, and I think there's a certain amount of that that they do to initiate civil unrest to further their political goals.
02:04:39.000I think there's a certain amount of that that's real.
02:04:43.000There's always been agent provocateurs that go into peaceful protests and start smashing things so the cops can come in and shut everything down.
02:04:54.000And then there was during the BLM, I'm sure you saw during some of the protests and riots that there was these bricks that were just left everywhere.
02:05:05.000Yeah, there was at some places there was pallets of bricks that were just left in the middle of the course of where these protests would be.
02:05:26.000If you wanted to get the public riled up, you just start smashing things and lighting them on fire and give people this feeling that they can do that.
02:05:38.000That was a while and and a lot of the people who were right at the front of that cheerleading it on from the sidelines It's like what they did with Joe Biden like Yesterday he was the leader of the free world this perfect guy.
02:05:49.000He's got no cognitive issues and then tomorrow bam He's done well the defund the police stuff You know that was all that was all about defunding the police.
02:05:59.000Do you you don't know jack shit about police work?
02:06:02.000And you're saying defund the police but even some people that knew about it were using it as a political tool and Kamala Harris was saying defund the police.
02:08:26.000Because every time someone commits a crime and they get away with it and you see it, it has a demoralizing effect on you because you think, hang on a minute, I work hard.
02:10:58.000He was not arrested for his position on transgender pronouns, as claimed in misleading social media posts.
02:11:04.000Social media users shared a video, Burke's arrest outside the school September 2nd, where he's heard saying, I have a right to work here, I have a right to be here, not to tell students that they need to take puberty blockers.
02:11:22.000It says there, um, other people off camera also say you're arresting him because he won't endorse gender, transgender ideology.
02:11:29.000And Enoch Burke, teacher, being arrested for not accepting transgenderism.
02:11:33.000People circulating the clip online suggest Burke was arrested for his views with some writing, breaking Irish police arrest teacher Enoch Burke for not endorsing trans ideology.
02:12:59.000I will be the one making your choices.
02:13:01.000And then when you get to whatever age, age 18, 21, depending on the thing, then you can go off and you can live your life and you can do whatever you want.
02:13:13.000And to this idea that then you then let something as huge as this, where there's going to be medical intervention and surgeries, I'm going to call it what it is, Joe.
02:13:25.000At least they've stopped it in the UK in terms of the surgeries and puberty blockers.
02:13:31.000Sort of describing more, but it's still like he said he didn't want to call the student they, so they told him administrative leave and he kept coming back to the school.
02:13:44.000Um, instructed staff that a pupil who was transitioning to another gender wished to be referred to by a new name and the pronouns they, a change supported by the pupil's parents.
02:13:54.000Burke from Castle Bar, County Mayo, who teaches history, refused, citing his religious beliefs.
02:14:00.000The school put Burke on paid administrative leave after he allegedly confronted the principal at a public event and questioned her in a heated manner, a claim Burke denies.
02:14:08.000After Burke continued to attend the school, It obtained a court order barring him from the campus.
02:14:13.000He continued to show up, prompting his jailing for contempt of court.
02:15:26.000But, you know, this again is what gives me hope, Joe, is that, especially in the UK, we have fought really long and hard against this stuff.
02:15:35.000There was a report done by one of the...
02:15:39.000One of the most important pediatricians called Dr. Cass and the Cass Report.
02:15:44.000And it basically took a bulldozer to all of this crap.
02:16:15.000Particularly 40% of girls who are Wanting to transition, they've got autism.
02:16:20.000We need to talk about this, we need to investigate it, and we need to help these kids.
02:16:25.000But just giving puberty blockers and sending them on this stream to essentially have their life medicalized for the rest of time, that ain't a solution.
02:17:55.000And then you start fighting for it because those other people are the downfall of civilization.
02:18:00.000You know, I wonder about that online stuff because based on what I see, I don't see it reflected in like normal day-to-day life.
02:18:06.000And we had Ashley St. Clair on our show last time we were in the U.S. And she was talking about all these idiots running around going, repeal the 19th.
02:18:44.000Were they saying positive things about Russia?
02:18:47.000I don't think, from what I've seen, I may be wrong about this, I didn't see any evidence that any of the influencers who ended up being paid were on the payroll to do specific things.
02:18:59.000Do you think it's valuable to them to give the money just so those people can be dismissed?
02:19:05.000It's so that those people can pollute the space, right?
02:19:07.000If everyone thinks the right wants to repeal women's right to vote, that divides society and it creates chaos.
02:19:15.000Like when I see all these Nazis talking online, I don't see that reflected.
02:19:18.000Like we went to the Trump rally, none of them were there.
02:19:20.000Every time Israel got mentioned, there was a big cheer.
02:19:32.000Did you see the thing that happened at the Trump boat rally in Florida where a Nazi boat pulled up and they had like swastikas and everything and the whole deal and with masks on and everybody just started hosing them?
02:19:45.000Get the fuck out of here because it's a kind of agent provocateur type deal.
02:19:49.000Where you probably have someone, some group, that wants to make all the Trump people look like Nazis, so they show up.
02:19:56.000And then I saw media outlets report on it, like the Nazi flags we're seeing at the Trump rally.
02:20:02.000Yeah, and it's a great point, but the thing we always focus on with the right is the far right, and we should focus on them, and we should talk about them.
02:20:09.000We never talk about the far left and communism.
02:20:36.000And you go, so where's the consistency?
02:20:38.000If you're going to hold the right to account, and you should hold the right to account, you've got to hold your own side to account with people who are like, well, communism was never tried.
02:20:48.000And you're going, I think it was, mate.
02:21:23.000And he was pushing Emmanuel to kind of go, why doesn't Kamala Harris come out and say, look, I went along with all this woke shit, like many of us did, right?
02:22:27.000They don't like that this one party is – keep talking about change, but they've been in control for 12 out of the past – no, 14 out of the past 16 years.
02:23:21.000And likewise, you need also the more creatively minded people who are on the left and who run the administrative shit and other kinds of things.
02:23:41.000We need someone who's a leader who can articulate that, that's a part of one of the major parties, who can say that and sort of unite people.
02:23:49.000And you're not getting that from either side.
02:23:51.000Either side is, the other side is stupid, and they're going to be the downfall of us, and this is a dumb person, this is an evil person.
02:24:08.000Because I think if somebody just avoided all that stuff and just focused entirely on the good things that are possible if we all work together, everybody is not going to listen to their opponent who's constantly shitting on them.
02:24:20.000If this one person is shitting on the other person relentlessly and the other person doesn't even respond to it, just talks about what they want to do, that person looks really stupid and petty.
02:24:35.000How about just say what you think you can do and say what needs to be done and how you're going to do it?
02:24:40.000And I think this is a reason why we in the UK have made far greater strides with the whole...
02:24:48.000Medical intervention with children issue is because it's not really a political issue.
02:24:55.000People on the left have spoken out against it and people on the right and the people like heroes like JK Rowling and the moment you get people like that talking about it on both sides people are then able to listen because it's someone from their side who they think is inverted commas a good person going oh she's talking about it.
02:25:13.000Did you see the thing that she tweeted about the puberty blocker study that they wouldn't release?
02:26:05.000We're fucking full-on captured by them and the amount of money that they can make and then the whole system behind them is so deeply ingrained in money.
02:26:14.000You know, it's just they've got their hooks in deep in politics and television and media.
02:26:19.000They got their hooks in deep and that's not good and that's why You can have these conversations in America and medical stuff gets connected to left or right wing.
02:26:29.000But the great thing is with America is your First Amendment.
02:27:23.000Because if the government comes in and starts legislating, starts clamping down, that's when you're living under authoritarian regime and run authoritarian rule.
02:27:33.000But the fact you have this free speech amendment, and you've said it yourself, if you don't believe in free speech, you're not American, That is such a beautiful thing.
02:27:42.000This is the way people have to look at it.
02:27:44.000You would think that stopping hate speech would be a good thing, and it would.
02:27:47.000It would be great if everybody voluntarily stopped using hate speech.
02:27:52.000But as soon as you can define hate speech in as simple a terms as calling someone by their original name when they've decided to change genders, Like, if you don't want to be Francis anymore, but I insist on calling you Francis, and you can put me in jail for that, that's really crazy.
02:28:07.000And it's dangerous, because it's just control.
02:28:11.000And you can't allow that kind of control to be in the hands of any government body where, because of the words out of your mouth, they can now put you in a cage.
02:28:23.000Put yourself outside of who's right or who's wrong and just think about the concept of the words that you say and opinion that you espouse can put you in a cage.
02:28:33.000You don't ever want to give the government that because that can keep moving.
02:28:37.000That definition of what is hate can keep moving.
02:28:40.000It can keep moving to a really ridiculous place.
02:28:43.000Which I think it is if you're doing things like gender identity.
02:28:47.000Especially if someone decides, like if Admiral Levine, that person, that Rachel Levine person, if you can't say, hey, that looks like a guy.
02:28:55.000If you can't say that, now you're getting locked up for what?
02:29:37.000In terms of like entertainment, how much entertainment comes out of the United States that the world consumes in terms of music, comedy, movies?
02:29:45.000A giant percentage of the world's entertainment comes out of right here because you have the ability to freely express yourself.
02:29:52.000Yeah, and that's the reason Hollywood's in the doldrums now, because they don't have the ability to freely express themselves.
02:32:50.000They just said they don't want to be a part of it, which I guess if it's your fucking theater and you just have this decision and you want to do it and it's not really going to harm him.
02:32:58.000If you understand the publicity effect, what it's going to do is the opposite.
02:33:02.000It's going to make this person who just interviewed Trump even more popular.
02:33:35.000And in fact, the tactics that you use to try and suppress me, to try and stifle me, all they're going to do is make me better, bigger and stronger.
02:33:44.000And that's such a beautiful message to send out to everybody.
02:34:49.000And he was kind of saying it, not just on my podcast, but there was another podcast where he talked about these men becoming like mentors to young gay boys and that it actually helps them.
02:35:02.000And everyone's like, you're talking about pedophilia.
02:35:25.000Whereas with a lot of gay guys, and I'm not saying this is right, but their attitude is this is what they wanted when they were 14. That's what Milo said, like, I was a predator.
02:35:35.000That's literally what he said on the podcast.
02:35:57.000And, you know, I remember a lot of arguments when people were trying to de-platform people, like when they de-platformed Trump and there was a few other people that got de-platform, they were saying de-platforming works.
02:36:07.000This is what's been shown, de-platforming works.
02:36:10.000Right, for a little while, you fucking idiots, it's actually gonna, if someone crazy like Elon comes along and has the money to back it up and says, I'm gonna step in and I'm gonna make a Wild West Twitter, When I had Jack on the podcast, he was talking about doing two versions of Twitter.
02:36:27.000Doing a regulated, moderated Twitter, and then a Wild West Twitter.
02:36:32.000And I was like, when's the Wild West Twitter?
02:36:43.000They're doing a pretty good job of hiding that, where you've got to click through to see some of the more egregious things that people say.
02:36:50.000But yeah, I mean, the problem is as well is that you de-platform, there's gonna be somebody out there who's gonna go, you know what?
02:36:59.000Right, but you know what they did with those platforms?
02:37:01.000They infiltrated those platforms with hate, right?
02:37:05.000So like, if maybe reasonable right-wing people decided to leave and start their own thing, you saw these bots that would go to these unregulated places and say the most outrageous, horrible shit, and they might not even be real people.
02:37:20.000And according to, we've talked about this many times, but according to an FBI analyst who was examining Twitter and the interactions on Twitter, his estimation was it could be as high as 80% bots.
02:37:33.000So if you try to open up, whether it's Truth Social or just pick a name, Gab.
02:37:40.000You just get bombarded by bots who are trying to ruin your company, right?
02:37:47.000Whether that's the government or whether it's competing social media companies.
02:37:51.000Like, if there's no laws about this, if there's no laws about creating bots and you're running, you know, whatever it is, threads, and then this other thing opens up and you go, you know what?
02:38:05.000You're having these computers that you have connected to all these accounts just posting the worst shit possible.
02:38:11.000Michelle Obama's got a dick and the White House is filled with pedophiles and you just like flood it with craziness and now nobody wants to go there.
02:38:19.000You go there and you're looking for like a reasonable Republican conservative social media platform that you could join and you could talk about things that are bothering you.
02:38:50.000Opened up a lot of things that needed opening up.
02:38:52.000But one of the things you talked about early on was bots.
02:38:55.000And I feel like there's probably a lot more work to do on that.
02:38:58.000So when they get around to that, that would make Twitter better.
02:39:01.000Because I do hear from a lot of people who are just like, I'm glad it's more open now.
02:39:06.000But every time I open my For You thing, it's like, fuck!
02:39:09.000But the thing is, it's like, okay, if you decided that the way to eliminate bots is to require ID... This is where it gets weird because there's data breaches.
02:39:17.000So if you're posting something under Skippy McCoy 69, you got some crazy fake name, and then all of a sudden it gets revealed that this is you and maybe you work in a right-wing office and you're posting something about abortion rights and people just decide,
02:39:34.000let's get rid of that fucking guy because now we know it's you.
02:39:54.000He's saying something because it's funny to say.
02:39:57.000And when you stop that because you can go and investigate who this person is, People say things they don't mean just because they want to get a rise out of people because they're bored and they're like an anonymous person.
02:40:20.000But what I'm saying is to the extent of foreign governments interfering with what we think is the truth and what we think is the real conversation.
02:40:27.000To the extent that other nefarious actors are trying to manipulate views, clicks, etc.
02:40:39.000And we don't even know how many people are involved in this because it's so difficult.
02:40:42.000If you're going through a VPN and you've got a computer bank and you've got these people that look real because you can now you can make artificial photos of families.
02:40:52.000You can decide, I want a black woman and a Chinese man, and this is their family, and AI. I want you to create their kids.
02:41:00.000And so you can have all these posts on Instagram like, oh, you can follow these people over the years.
02:41:09.000It's way more easy because nobody even wants to see pictures of you.
02:41:12.000So you can have a bunch of posts about things that happen to you during the day that make you look like a real person, and just Nazi shit!
02:41:20.000And this is the issue as well, is that when people talk about hate speech, they're making an incredibly complex issue very simple.
02:41:28.000Because they go, oh yeah, we're going to get rid of hate speech.
02:41:30.000And then you go, well, what does that mean?
02:41:33.000And what is going to be the effects of that?
02:41:36.000And also as well, look, there's a lot of young kids on social media.
02:41:39.000I don't know about you, but when I was a young kid, I said lots of dumb shit.
02:41:43.000Are you then going to destroy someone's life for the next 20 years because they said something that could be racist or maybe is racist when they're 15 years old?
02:41:52.000Also, there's some things that people see that people have attempted to make mainstream that people have rejected.
02:42:01.000Like, one of them is minor attracted persons.
02:42:08.000I've seen legitimate professors say that it's offensive to call someone a pedophile and you should call them a minor attracted person and not to marginalize them.
02:42:19.000What if it becomes hate speech to call someone a pedophile, right?
02:42:24.000When you see how far we've gone, that's not outside of what could be possible.
02:42:28.000Yeah, because if you follow this train of thought to its logical conclusion, and if they are a minority, and all minorities need to be protected, particularly from a majority who dislike them, and particularly in the case of pedophiles where the majority fucking hate them,
02:42:44.000then you go, well, you know, this person can't help who they are, therefore they need protection and they are a marginalized group.
02:42:50.000Yeah, and how much of that is being manipulated by foreign entities?
02:42:54.000How many people are out there trying to get us riled up about stuff?
02:42:58.000I remember the Renee DiResta thing where she found out that there was a Texas separatist meeting that was organized by these troll farms right across the street from this Muslim meeting.
02:43:10.000Like, they literally had them on the same block.
02:43:12.000So they're both protesting like, fuck you, fuck you!
02:44:23.000I really think the West needs to get serious about that and go, do we want foreign countries to be dictating to our citizens what the truth is?
02:46:24.000And, you know, I don't know enough about it to say whether it's entirely a good thing or a bad thing, but you can see the temptation to kind of go, well, why don't we just have one guy come in and sort this shit out?
02:47:27.000And when you make excuses for why people are doing it, you call it systemic racism and all these different things, and you treat them with leniency, then you're encouraging people to do crimes because there's no repercussions.
02:47:38.000So you're, again, not getting to the root of what's causing them to be like that in the first place, but you're minimizing what they're doing because you address the fact that there's a root.
02:47:49.000So, again, you're dealing with the cancer, you're like, let the cancer grow.
02:47:57.000And also, the dangerous thing with Bukele, I went on a date with a girl who's now a Salvadorian journalist, and I said, look, I don't know anything about Bukele.
02:49:05.000But, you know, from my conversation with Trump, I don't think he's the monster that everybody thinks he is.
02:49:11.000And I think for sure there's been a gross distortion of a lot of the things that he said that's led to this, you know, the fine people hoax, the Russiagate hoax.
02:49:20.000There's so many different, the suckers and losers hoax.
02:49:23.000There's all these different things that people attribute to him to try to make him way worse than he really is.
02:49:28.000Instead of just, like, addressing the things you don't like about him that are real.
02:49:32.000You know and so it's this distortion and we know there's a distortion and that's why When he sits here and he talks for three hours people are so interested It's not just because what he says is interesting.
02:49:44.000It's because we know you've been bullshitting We know that you've used the legal system to try to arrest this guy you've done some banana Republic shit where you're Trying to weaponize the legal system to go after your political opponents.
02:49:59.000We know that so when you get a chance to see that guy talk You're like, oh, so this is who he is.
02:53:07.000I wanted to start the show off with him listening to him being on The View and go, what is this like?
02:53:12.000Because there's no one ever that's had the machine turn on them.
02:53:16.000Whether you agree with him or not agree, you must admit the Steele dossier, all the crazy stuff they put out on him, they've turned this machine on him in this way you've never seen before.
02:53:26.000And this is how they used to look at him just nine years ago.
02:54:54.000And, you know, at this rally, there was this point when he was just...
02:54:59.000It really struck home for me why people like him.
02:55:02.000It was like he was talking about China and somebody had said...
02:55:06.000Put out a report that if America had a war with China, America would lose.
02:55:10.000And he was like, first of all, why would you put out that report?
02:55:13.000And secondly, we would kick their ass.
02:55:18.000And you kind of go, if you're an American and you want your country to be great, you want it to be successful, left or right, whatever your position is, do you want to be on the side of the people who think America's future is behind it?
02:55:32.000Or do you want to be on the side of the people who think, yeah, we're going to kick ass, we're going to succeed, we're going to make money, we're going to be successful?
02:55:38.000And there's also, like, looking at some of his foreign policy decisions and whether or not he was correct, one of them was the embargoes on Iran.
02:55:50.000That seemed to have freed up a whole lot of money when the Biden administration Let those funds free, and then October 7th happens shortly thereafter.
02:56:02.000And when you know that they fund these various terrorist organizations, this is something Iran's done.
02:56:10.000This is not a big stretch to think that one of the reasons why these things are happening was because people went a different way than Donald Trump did when he was in office.
02:57:58.000Because it's easier to argue about jokes than it is to talk about the Middle East and be actually honest about it and go, what Israel is facing is an existential fight for survival and Israel is causing, you know,
02:58:14.000there are war crimes happening, whatever.
02:58:16.000But you can't just let terrorist groups attack a country.
02:58:20.000You can't let Hezbollah from October the 8th fire rockets into northern Israel.
02:58:29.000It's either going to escalate or you're going to need to de-escalate.
02:58:32.000Because the one thing with jihadists is, you know, they're committed.
02:58:36.000You know, they're committed, and they believe in a global Islamic caliphate, and they want to wipe Israel off the map, and then they want to wipe all sovereign nations off the map so they get a global Islamic caliphate,
02:58:51.000which is why so many moderate Islamic countries crack down on these people really hard, because they understand the threat from these people.
02:58:59.000And then there's the reality that what Israel's doing is also horrific, right?
02:59:04.000You see the murdered children and women and you see the videos of people getting blown up with indiscriminate bombing of apartment buildings because someone underneath it is Hamas.
02:59:23.000And then there's the argument that, well, but Hamas is using them as human shields.
02:59:27.000Like, there's no other way to do this?
02:59:29.000Than to just bomb where you know civilians are going to be, because bad guys are there also?
02:59:35.000This is the crazy thing about war, because in the past, I think this was a strategy that would have been employed by almost any powerful nation trying to wipe out an enemy, but we don't...
02:59:48.000Look, what did we do in Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
02:59:51.000We just indiscriminately killed everybody.
02:59:54.000Just dropped a nuclear bomb on an entire city.
02:59:59.000But the question is, what should Israel do instead?
03:00:02.000And this is the problem, because I take your point, but the issue is that Hamas have openly stated on numerous occasions that they want to maximize civilian casualties.
03:00:13.000So the question is, and we've had pro-Palestine guests on the show, we've had pro-Israel guests on the show, and we've asked them basically trying to get to the bottom of this.
03:02:24.000I think it's also from the perspective of people that live in Israel versus the perspective of people that live in America where we haven't been invaded.
03:02:31.000And the people in Israel who have mandatory military service and they're constantly on threat.
03:02:37.000I had a buddy of mine who's my kickboxing coach, Shuki, and he's from Israel.
03:02:40.000And he was always playing the bongo drums.
03:02:56.000And I think if you're an American and you don't feel that threat, it just feels abstract, you're not going to understand the mentality of someone who lives in a place that's surrounded by people who hate them.
03:03:39.000But if there isn't, what are they supposed to do?
03:03:43.000It's also a crazy subject in America, right?
03:03:46.000Because there's people on the left that do not want to support Israel, and they think that Palestine is...
03:03:53.000You know, that Palestine should be free, and they'll say, from the river to the sea, and they chant it out, and they don't exactly even know what they're saying, which means, like, an annihilation of Israel.
03:04:02.000From the river to the sea, that's literally what that means.
03:04:05.000But then they're now this sort of, there's like this anti-Semitic thing that's on the left, which didn't exist before.
03:04:14.000It's just like the anti-Israel, anti-Semitic thing that you never heard before from the left.
03:04:20.000The left was always, like, super pro-Israel.
03:04:23.000Because if you've had a decade of wokeness, the point of wokeness is the people who are successful, the people who have the upper hand, they're the bad guys.
03:06:37.000There was Jewish MPs, Labour MPs, who literally walked out of the party because they were saying that he was not tackling and dealing with anti-Semitism and that this was allowed to run rampant within the Labour Party.
03:07:03.000And what kind of intellectual courage to step out on those limbs that he does and say these logical things that are against the, it's, you know, heretic.
03:09:54.000He's a heavyweight and the heavyweights were never really that good in terms of that kind of technique.
03:10:00.000It's like you need it at like middleweight and light heavyweight because everyone's super talented and technical.
03:10:06.000When you get up to the heavyweight division, guys tend, it tends to be like a lower bar, you know, and so when you have an elite athlete like Joshua who's like fast and knockout power, he can excel without having the kind of technique that a guy like Lomachenko and Usyk were trained by the same guy.
03:10:22.000They were both trained by Lomachenko's father.
03:11:31.000And if you watch the Usyk fight, he was touching Usyk up in the beginning of the fight.
03:11:35.000I mean, that reach and that jab, the accuracy that he has, he was doing really well in that fight until he started to slow down a little bit, and Usyk wound up just catching him.
03:12:19.000Because this was like Chemayev got the blade of his forearm across the jaw and it was like just crushing those teeth and it goes into his mouth.
03:13:41.000Reminded me of Khabib as well, where you get up, you get straight back down, and then you just run out of energy, right?
03:13:46.000Maybe even more intense, because maybe even more dominant.
03:13:50.000To do that to Whitaker, like that, a guy who's a world champion, like even the Conor fight, it took a while before he overwhelmed him, you know?
03:13:59.000It took a while before he was just beating Conor's ass.
03:14:02.000The beginning of the fight is more competitive.
03:14:05.000This was just an overwhelming victory.
03:14:10.000Hamzat just charged in, dove in, got him down, and mauled him.
03:14:51.000It appears that he's, in terms of, like, the grappling that he possesses, seems magnitudes greater than anybody else in his division.
03:14:59.000But it's that skill thing that we talk about.
03:15:01.000You can have athleticism, you can have strength, but when you come up against someone whose skill is far superior to yours, eventually you're going to burn out because there's only a fine amount of strength and power that you have got.
03:15:16.000And eventually, if you're fighting somebody who can match you physically but also has the skill on top of it, I mean, you're kind of done, really, unless you get lucky with a punch.
03:15:25.000I guess counter-argument might be, and you'll correct me, Joe, Gilbert Burns fight, I mean, he won, but he was close.
03:15:34.000I think it's at 170. I don't think he's the same guy at 170. I also think Gilbert is tough as fuck.
03:15:39.000And at that point in time, Gilbert had, he challenged Usman for the title and lost, but then came back and was one of the best 170-pounders in the world.
03:15:49.000It was a big step up in competition that I don't think Hamza had faced before.
03:15:53.000And Gilbert is a world champion in jiu-jitsu.
03:15:56.000He's a very, very, very good grappler.
03:17:33.000And you rarely see, I mean, in the UFC, you see obviously people who are multi-disciplined, but it's rare that you see someone who's so pure with the way they hit.
03:17:43.000I was watching him going, this guy looks like a boxer the way that he hits.
03:19:19.000That's why I say he's the new high-water mark.
03:19:21.000There's people that are thinking maybe he's the best pound-for-pound fighter alive.
03:19:25.000There's a lot of discussion about that online.
03:19:28.000A little premature, especially when Jon Jones is still out there and there's other elite guys that are still out there, but Islam Makachev is another one.
03:19:37.000It's a real argument that he's the best pound-for-pound guy alive, but it's fucking close.
03:21:06.000I was just going to say, it's a really interesting moment because UFC is very much in the ascendancy when compared to boxing.
03:21:15.000But you've looked at all this Saudi money that is being pumped into boxing now.
03:21:20.000And, you know, because previously, you know, the thing that we're in boxing, as we all know, is promoters, you know, teams not wanting to put their great fighter against their other great fighter because they want to protect their asset.
03:21:32.000I'm thinking now, you look at kind of the Saudis, they're just going to flood, they're flooding it with money.
03:22:21.000If they can pay them enough money to get them to do it.
03:22:24.000Because if they can pay enough money, then what you have is a real competitor to the UFC. Because at the moment, I like watching UFC, but I'm a boxing guy.
03:23:51.000It has to be with the UFC, because the UFC has kind of redefined what combat sports are, and it's the greatest time ever for the UFC. And then at the same time, boxing is still thriving.
03:24:00.000And it's becoming exciting because you're seeing great fights.
03:24:04.000And for people like us who grew up and saw the great fighters of the 80s and the 90s, all of a sudden we see this happening again and we're just like, ah, actually I remember why I fell in love with this sport.
03:27:46.000Because if you get clipped once, just once, what he did to Cain Velasquez, just inside, caught him with an uppercut, you see Cain's just lights go out.
03:28:05.000And you see it with all great athletes and teams.
03:28:09.000Even if they're not doing well, even if they're not fighting well, even if they're not playing well, they have that extra gear that they can go into.
03:28:15.000And then suddenly you go, how did he do that?
03:28:40.000He was so dominant that he would not train.
03:28:42.000You know, when he fought Alexander Gustafson, they said he barely trained at all.
03:28:46.000Still beat him in the stretch and then the rematch wanted to prove a point trained really hard and beat the shit out of Gustafson, you know?
03:28:54.000With John it's a lot of it is he's so much better than everybody else like when he's really threatened like with Cormier Then you see how good he really is like when he knocked out Cormier with that head kick and that's when you see how good he is when he's when he's pushed Yeah, when you see John Jones with a real challenge in front of him and Hopefully that's what the John Jones will see with Stipe Yeah,
03:29:13.000let's hope Stipe pushes him Listen, gentlemen, it's always a pleasure.