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00:00:06.000Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.
00:00:12.000But if you want to sort of see a vision of the future, it's like basically the top 20 and even the top 100 is like totally dominated by China.
00:00:44.000But, yeah, there's only two Americans in the top 20. The rest, almost everyone is from Asia otherwise.
00:00:51.000We were talking about something that I think is a really good, because people always think that video games are frivolous, but what you were saying I think that's really important is it's so difficult that it requires you to only think about that, and it can, like, relieve stress.
00:02:08.000Actually, if somebody was ever good at video games, I'd say their surgical skill is going to be very good, because in order to be good at video games, any kind of fast reaction video games...
00:03:18.000Everyone should have to play video games if you want to be a surgeon.
00:03:21.000Well, I think it certainly would be a very good test to see if somebody can't play video games well.
00:03:26.000Because you've got to move both hands simultaneously.
00:03:29.000You've got to react to something very fast on the screen.
00:03:34.000And if your keystrokes or your mouse clicks or whatever are wrong, then you lose the game.
00:03:39.000So if somebody has a good rank in video games, I would say that necessarily their manual dexterity must be extremely good.
00:03:48.000The fine motor skills have to be excellent.
00:03:50.000If you think about Starcraft or any game like Quake, any game where a lot of people are playing, to rise to the top, you have to be exceptional, period, as a human being.
00:03:59.000There has to be something exceptional about you.
00:04:01.000Actually, if I mention Quake, way back in the day, I was one of the world's best Quake players.
00:04:59.000I mean, a lot of people find golf good.
00:05:01.000And I mean, I guess if you think of it like it's, I guess if you're saying you're going to walk outdoors with friends and occasionally hit a ball, and it's an outdoor walk, then that's cool.
00:05:12.000And it does require concentration when you're hitting the ball, but it's too slow for me.
00:05:17.000Nothing compares to video games in terms of the amount of feedback you get.
00:05:21.000The sensory overload you get when you're looking at a large, high-resolution screen.
00:06:15.000In fact, I can actually tell what my mental acuity is if I play a very hard video game.
00:06:23.000So if I'm trying to get an extremely good clear time in Diablo or something like that, Or a first-person shooter, whatever the case may be.
00:06:35.000I can tell that I'm tired or my brain's not working as well as it should.
00:08:04.000Yeah, so I can tell immediately, did I get a good night's sleep or not?
00:08:08.000If I just play like a video game for like five minutes, I'm like, okay, my sleep wasn't that good because it's my, you know, and then sometimes the rain will recover through the day and it's like, okay, like an hour or two after waking up, it's better.
00:09:40.000People dismiss this whole carnivore diet thing because in our heads, there's a lot of propagandists that put this thing out there that animal agriculture is the number one contributor to global warming.
00:10:09.000Do you think that that's just propaganda because of people that have a vested interest in like plant-based meat products and things along those lines, green energy?
00:11:28.000I really think you made a fork in the road.
00:11:32.000We were headed down a path of censorship and of Control of narratives that is unprecedented.
00:11:41.000Forget about what they were able to do back when they had newspapers and the media under control.
00:11:46.000What they were doing with social media by suppressing information and when you had a combined government effort, like what they were doing with the laptop story.
00:11:55.000We have 51 former intelligence agents saying that this is Russian disinformation, take it offline, and Twitter complied.
00:12:03.000If you didn't buy that, we wouldn't have known that.
00:12:09.000The reason I bought it was because I'm pretty attuned since I was like the most interacted with a user on Twitter before the acquisition.
00:12:18.000So before the acquisitions, I had more interactions than then.
00:12:21.000Like, there's some accounts like Obama and whatever had higher follower accounts, but I had the most number of interactions of any account in the system.
00:12:29.000So I was very attuned to, like, if they change the system, I can tell immediately.
00:12:35.000And I'm like, something weird is going on here, you know?
00:13:45.000And then there's the fact that we know that there was agents in the crowd that were agent provocateurs that were encouraging people to do illegal shit.
00:16:09.000So, there are these organizations—like, you can tell they're like—when they have an Orwellian name.
00:16:15.000So, like, the Center for Countering Digital Hate is a total scam organization, you know, because— They're like the Ministry of Truth type of thing in Orwell.
00:17:05.000Well, I mean, they can stick the DOJ on, you know, and say, like, you know, they've had this whole thing about, like, hate speech, misinformation, whatever, except that they're the ones pushing the misinformation.
00:17:15.000But that doesn't stop them from filing massive, you know, lawsuits and using the DOJ. I mean, like, the DOJ has, you know, been attacking SpaceX, for example, for not hiring asylum seekers, even though it is legal for SpaceX to hire anyone who is not a permanent resident of the U.S. So we're damned if we do and damned if we don't.
00:17:38.000So it's illegal to hire someone who's not an American citizen?
00:17:43.000SpaceX is considered an advanced weapons technology.
00:17:46.000So it's covered by international traffic and arms regulations because we make rocket technology that can be used against the United States.
00:17:53.000It's like if North Korea or Iran got SpaceX rocket technology, they could use that to launch nukes at America.
00:18:03.000So since we are in like the most extreme category of weapons technology at SpaceX, under US ITAR law, it is illegal for us to hire anyone who's not a permanent resident because the presumption is that if they're not a permanent resident,
00:18:19.000they're going to return to their home country and take the rocket technology with them.
00:18:25.000So it's illegal for us to hire anyone who's not a – they can have a green card or be a citizen.
00:18:33.000They just have to be a permanent resident of the United States.
00:18:36.000Then there's another law that says if you discriminate against asylum seekers, you're also breaking the law.
00:18:46.000So the DOJ can only do a small number of big lawsuits every year.
00:18:51.000Launched a giant lawsuit against SpaceX saying that SpaceX discriminated against asylum seekers.
00:18:58.000And we're like, but it's illegal for us to hire anyone who's not a permanent resident.
00:19:02.000So we're in this, like, this is what I mean.
00:19:05.000It's like Orwell's situation is getting insane.
00:19:08.000Like, you're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't.
00:19:12.000Can you imagine history looking back at when you watch the robot arms catch the rocket and you realize like this is like one of the greatest accomplishments in The history of aerospace like it is one of the most wildest accomplishments when you watch that thing come and you see all those people cheering and it catches it perfectly like holy shit Imagine how history is going to look back at the DOJ going after that company.
00:19:53.000Basically, if the government wants to go after you, they'll just find a reason.
00:19:56.000It's like that famous quote from Beria.
00:19:59.000You know, like Stalin's chief torturer, the head of Stalin's secret police and his chief torturer, truly evil human being, like this guy Beria.
00:20:10.000One of his famous quotes was, show me the man and I'll show you the crime.
00:22:06.000They'll take, like, not even a full sentence, like a half a sentence from Trump, and then they'll push it on every ad, every speaking event, every media.
00:22:23.000I mean, a recent one that came up, which had a lot of people, because a lot of people reached out to me, was like, oh, Trump says he wants to execute Liz Cheney.
00:22:39.000All he said was like, what he's saying is that, look, if Liz Cheney actually had to fight at the front lines, she'd think twice about going to war.
00:23:17.000And all Trump was saying was that Liz Cheney would be much less of a warmonger, because she's a huge warmonger, just like her dad, if she actually had to go to the front lines and fight herself.
00:23:30.000And meanwhile, they're saying that he's saying she should be shot.
00:25:33.000So as soon as any company steps out of line and is willing to actually have the truth debated on their platform, it forces the other platforms to allow things to be more truthful, to not censor.
00:25:46.000Because their censorship becomes glaringly obvious.
00:25:51.000And, you know, the best thing I found for as a rebuttal, like if there's a hoax, is just go to the source material.
00:25:58.000You know, if somebody thinks, you know, Trump said that we should put Liz Cheney in a firing squad, I'm like, let me send you a link to X so you can watch his video.
00:27:26.000You know, so it's like, look at what someone actually said, look at what someone actually did, look at the real videos of the situation, and then you can actually, you'll know what's real.
00:27:35.000So, as of today, when you were literally on your way here, you sent me this text saying that they're trying to lock you up in jail in Pennsylvania.
00:28:18.000And we've organized this petition in support of the Constitution, which I think is a good thing, and specifically asking people to—and we wanted this to be, like, registered voters in swing states.
00:28:36.000Like, basically, we want to send a message to the politicians to say that the people care about the Constitution, because there have been all these attacks on the Constitution.
00:28:44.000They've been, especially on the Democrat side, they've been repeatedly saying that the First Amendment is an obstacle.
00:28:51.000And they're claiming, oh, the First Amendment is enabling disinformation, misinformation.
00:28:56.000And I'm like, yo, there's a reason for the First Amendment, like freedom of speech.
00:29:00.000The reason that the founders of the country put, you know, the freedom of speech there is because they came from countries where if you spoke your mind, you would get shot or imprisoned.
00:29:10.000That's why the First Amendment exists.
00:29:13.000And the Second Amendment is there to stop the tyranny of government.
00:29:16.000The Second Amendment, the right to bear arms, is there to protect freedom of speech.
00:29:30.000I've had these debates, especially with people in LA, because they want to take everyone's guns away, and I'm like, Can you guarantee me that we will never have a tyrannical government in the United States?
00:30:18.000Several thousand people have been given prison sentences in the UK for social media posts where there was no explicit link to actual violence.
00:30:28.000But they just said it encouraged violence.
00:30:30.000Like, well, did anyone actually do anything as a result of that media post?
00:30:36.000And then they have a prison overcrowding situation in the UK, so they're quite literally releasing convicted pedophiles and putting people in jail for Facebook posts.
00:30:47.000That's an actual thing happening in Britain.
00:32:06.000And obviously anyone on the X system knows that things are posted and then there are replies and there are rebuttals and it's immediately corrected.
00:32:13.000But where are the corrections for the legacy media?
00:32:17.000Some broadcast media, they say false things all the time.
00:32:31.000Did Rachel Maddow ever apologize for telling everybody that if you get the COVID vaccine, you're never going to get COVID? The virus stops with you?
00:34:06.000No, we just want people to succeed based on their skills and their hard work.
00:34:10.000And if they don't want people to express themselves about particular issues, then they're not doing the will of the people.
00:34:15.000And if they're trying to suppress people's ability to communicate, they're only doing that because they want to do things that people don't want them to do.
00:35:20.000Actually, it looks like every presidential candidate on the Democrat side has done a rally at Madison Square Garden, so are they Nazis too?
00:35:27.000But what they're doing is they're preying on low-information voters who aren't engaged actively on social media, who don't have the time to look through everything.
00:35:37.000If people are just looking at legacy mainstream media, then they have a totally different worldview than if they're on X and seeing the actual flow of argument and the actual evidence.
00:35:51.000Like, what happened when you guys released the Twitter files?
00:35:54.000Because I think the Twitter files is probably one of the most important things in this age of information for understanding the influence that government has on social media and on discourse.
00:36:04.000Because when we found out that that was the case, that the government was actually asking Twitter to remove posts that were factual, they did the same thing to Facebook.
00:36:13.000They had them throttle pieces of one of Tucker Carlson's show.
00:36:45.000Yeah, they got paid millions of dollars for suppressing information.
00:36:48.000And a bunch of it was flat out illegal.
00:36:51.000The FBI had this sort of magic portal into the Twitter system, but all of the communication in this portal was auto-deleted after two weeks, which breaks federal FOIA laws.
00:37:04.000So we didn't even know what was said, because it was all deleted after two weeks.
00:37:59.000They want to pretend that the left-wing government is incapable of corruption because we're on the good side.
00:38:04.000I think it may be just like, you know, whoever's in power kind of doesn't want the, you know, the other side heard.
00:38:13.000Because as you pointed out, like the left, historically, up until, I don't know, maybe even 10 years ago or something like that, was the Free Speech Party.
00:38:23.000And now it's the anti-free speech party.
00:38:25.000And they just, they use words like, like, oh, well, we have to be against hate speech and misinformation, disinformation.
00:38:40.000Do you really trust the government to make that definition?
00:38:45.000The whole point of the First Amendment is like, do not trust the government.
00:38:50.000Especially when they're wrong and there's no repercussions.
00:38:54.000Like with the whole lab leak theory, you would get kicked off of YouTube if you even presented this argument that, hey, maybe that coronavirus lab where they're doing work on the exact same virus that got released.
00:39:08.000Hey, maybe that's where it came from since that's where the virus started.
00:39:59.000Fauci's a freaking demon if you ask me.
00:40:01.000If you read RFK's book, the real Anthony Fauci, if that's correct, if the facts are in there that's true, it's all referenced, you could find the sources, and on top of it, he's never been sued for that book, which doesn't make any sense.
00:40:13.000If he just made a bunch of lies up, he would get sued.
00:40:39.000Like, he can't send the money directly to China, so he just bank-shotted it off EcoHealth, this, like, fake non-profit in the U.S., and they sent it to Wuhan.
00:40:50.000I mean, so, you know, to give Obama some credit, he actually was, like, looking at this and saying, hey, this is crazy.
00:40:57.000And so he actually did stop the, like, the so-called gain of function, again, a propaganda word, because what is the function they're talking about?
00:41:40.000If you're doing research on that, and the idea behind this research is so that we can cure these things, how come you don't have a fucking cure?
00:41:52.000Like, you guys had no strategy for dealing with it if it got out?
00:41:55.000And so you have to, like, make up this new vaccine in, like, record time, Operation Warp Speed, release it to the people with very little testing?
00:42:37.000And they went hard claiming all sorts of things that were never researched, all sorts of things that are not supported by data.
00:42:44.000Like the fact that it would stop transmission, the fact that it would stop infection, the fact that it was safe for pregnant women, the fact that it was safe for children.
00:44:05.000You have these clinical researchers, these people that develop these incredible drugs, and this is their job.
00:44:10.000Their job is to figure out some new way to cure something, some new way to stop things, and then you have the money people.
00:44:17.000And the problem is when you have this one thing that you would assume they're only doing it to help people, and then they have this other faction that just numbers people.
00:44:27.000And all they give a fuck about is maximizing profits and making sure they literally have an obligation to their shareholders.
00:44:35.000They have to make the most amount of money possible.
00:44:37.000And so they just want to push it on everybody.
00:45:03.000But he was psyched out the same afterwards.
00:45:04.000Yeah, he had knee problems, and he took Vioxx, and all of a sudden he was slurring his words, and he couldn't concentrate, and people were like, I think you're having a fucking stroke, and they took him to the hospital, and then you have this giant class-action lawsuit, and then Vioxx gets pulled from the market, and they get sued, and the whole thing's fucking crazy,
00:45:45.000There's a lot of different therapies, specifically psilocybin, Ibogaine.
00:45:49.000The fact that you have to go to Mexico to get Ibogaine therapy for veterans.
00:45:54.000So many guys I've talked to have gone over there and it's like completely giving them a clean slate, refreshed their mind, and totally new perspective on life, alleviated depression, cured addictions.
00:46:16.000Because, I mean, it really depends on, you know, somebody's individual biochemistry.
00:46:21.000Like, to me, like, opioids are not addictive to me.
00:46:24.000Like, you know, I've had them when I've had operations or something, and they barely affect my pain level, and they make me, like, itchy and uncomfortable.
00:48:31.000I mean, you just basically think you're vulnerable on meth.
00:48:35.000And so it's one thing, like I said, it's one thing we have the Nazis come after you, but Nazis on meth, you're like, holy shit, those fuckers are not stopping, man.
00:49:06.000So that's why I'm like, I think a rule for the FDA should be like, hey, look, if you can complete the sentence, legal or illegal, that blank made you a better person, actually, then you got a good drug.
00:49:22.000Also, if there's drugs that are available right now that can absolutely ruin people's lives, the rationalization for stopping other drugs that might ruin people's lives but also can help a lot of people's lives, it doesn't make any sense.
00:49:35.000It's basically the same thing as censorship.
00:49:37.000You're taking away people's ability to discern what's true and not true, and you're taking away people's ability to discern what's good for you and not good for you.
00:49:45.000And the way to find that out is to have as much information as possible.
00:49:48.000So to do research and actually to have unbiased, actual objective observers who are looking at all the stuff that give you real data.
00:50:12.000So instead of like limiting the amount of drugs, now you've got toxic drugs because fentanyl and all this other shit is because they're not pure.
00:52:11.000And if you're addicted to Adderall and your dealer, the guy who sells you weed, is like, hey, man, I can get you low-grade meth, like the stuff the Nazis took.
00:52:19.000Well, they had high grade math, actually.
00:53:02.000I would roll back how much meth they were using because they had quite a few incidents of the soldiers killing their officers because they were on too much meth.
00:54:01.000And I was asking him about these posts.
00:54:04.000Because there was an online account that was linked to him where he had this very detailed laboratory, like super sophisticated, making the best meth.
00:55:08.000Yeah, so according to this reporter, when he went to visit McAfee in Belize, McAfee took out the revolver, put a bullet in the revolver, spun the chamber, and then pointed it at his head and went, click.
00:55:21.000And the reporter's like saying, please don't do this.
00:57:18.000See, the other thing about the whole squirrel thing is that...
00:57:23.000How can it be that we live in America, supposedly land of the free, and the government can barge into your home with guns, so if you resist, you're going to get shot, and then take your pets and execute them?
00:57:41.000And if they can do that to your pets, what do you think they can do to you?
00:58:05.000It was just obviously a blood pet squirrel and a raccoon too and doing no harm and the government comes in, barges into the guy's house, takes his pets and kills them.
00:58:23.000I think this should really get people out there mobilized, frankly, because you see the John Wick movie where John Wick's like, he just wants peace in the John Wick movie.
01:00:37.000Well, you used to be able to have a chimp in a lot of states, and then Chimp Crazy kind of exposed a lot of that, and PETA did a great job of stopping people from keeping chimps as pets.
01:00:45.000Because once they hit, like, five, you can't control them anymore.
01:00:48.000Well, it's obviously totally understandable if somebody's got, you know, a creature that is dangerous to others.
01:00:53.000But, like, obviously a squirrel and a raccoon are not.
01:00:56.000Well, squirrels are fucking everywhere.
01:01:05.000I mean, they're allowing criminals to go free and violent criminals to go free, but they're spending your tax dollars to come in and execute your fucking pets.
01:03:04.000One female apparently goes into estrus and all the male squirrels fight to get to her.
01:03:08.000So they're running up trees and chasing each other around trees, literally throwing each other off trees.
01:03:14.000To try to, like, so if this poor little peanut, the squirrel, who's used to living with a guy in an apartment, like, gets out there in the wild world of squirrels.
01:03:22.000Well, fair enough, but at least they have a chance.
01:03:32.000Yeah, and then to add insult to injury, there were a bunch of people on the left who were actually posting that they're glad that the MAGA squirrel got killed.
01:04:25.000No one's going to be a perfect person, but the thing that they didn't understand about Trump is he's so crazy that if you tell him, like, he can't be president, like, remember Obama did that during that White House press correspondent?
01:04:39.000There's one thing that I am that you'll never be.
01:04:58.000You know, basically, if you go to the White House Correspondents Dinner, you're there in support, actually, of the president and support of the press.
01:05:29.000Trump was at the head of a lot of these people spreading this rumor online that Obama's birth certificate was forged, that he's actually from Kenya.
01:05:39.000What's weird is, if you go back to Obama's early days, there are some things that say he's from Kenya.
01:05:46.000Like, I think something from college said he was from Kenya.
01:05:51.000But, you know, that could just be, you know, people print things wrong all the time.
01:05:55.000It doesn't mean he's actually from Kenya.
01:05:57.000But Trump was one of those guys that was, like, spreading that supposedly false rumor.
01:06:10.000Look, I don't think he has the time to go into things like very deeply.
01:06:17.000And so I think he could probably be influenced by a bunch of people like these Marjorie Taylor Greene type people come to him with some wild ass theory.
01:06:25.000He might be, and I think there's a lot of that stuff that gets fed to people on purpose so that they'll say incorrect things so that they're easy to dismiss.
01:06:35.000And I think there's also a lot of people that just make shit up and, you know, they tell you the earth is flat and then a bunch of people watch a YouTube video and they believe it.
01:06:43.000Yeah, well, but on that White House correspondent, I was there and the degree to which they attacked Trump at that White House correspondent was really – it was so over the top.
01:06:55.000It was like making everyone uncomfortable.
01:07:01.000A few passing jokes were fine, but they twisted the knife big on Trump.
01:07:11.000And you could see Trump just getting angrier and angrier and more and more upset.
01:07:15.000And it's like, man, this is not good karma.
01:07:19.000That's what I was thinking at the time.
01:07:20.000I was two tables away from Trump, and I'm looking and I'm like, man, this is too much.
01:07:26.000Well, it's kind of crazy what they made out of that because that's the kind of guy that if you tell him he can't do something, he's going to just keep trying.
01:07:34.000It was a big mistake to rag on him so much at that White House Correspondent Center.
01:07:38.000Well, just look at the way they've attacked him just using the legal system like this thing in New York where the 34 different felony counts are essentially misdemeanors.
01:07:49.000There are bookkeeping errors that they decided, even though it passed the statute of limitations, they decided to try him for these.
01:08:02.000Most people, after the E. Gene Carroll lawsuit and this lawsuit and all the other ones, the insurrection thing, the Georgia thing, all these different things, getting kicked off of Twitter.
01:08:11.000Most people would have just like, this is too much.
01:09:30.000But I invite people to watch that original source material, and I think a few jokes are fine, you know, but it's like, it felt like he was the primary object of the roast.
01:09:42.000The whole point of the thing is it's the roast of the president, not the audience.
01:09:47.000The thing about it is he's easy to roast.
01:09:49.000And then on top of that, Obama was loved and cherished by the left.
01:09:54.000And most of those people are on the left.
01:10:52.000And there was no legal action against that, which was clear destruction of evidence.
01:10:56.000Well, it's also – there's this other narrative that always drives me crazy, is that he's going to destroy democracy.
01:11:02.000So in order to destroy democracy, we have to install a president without a primary.
01:11:07.000We have to have a candidate that is the least-liked vice president of all time, the least popular vice president of all time, and then use gaslighting and the full force of the media machine to turn her into the future and hope.
01:11:22.000And then she's going to be changed, even though she's a sitting vice president.
01:11:26.000And then on top of that, this idea of change when the Democrats have been in control for, what, 12 or 16 years?
01:11:36.000Yeah, I mean, obviously, I view the selection as a turning point, like a fork in the road of destiny, that is incredibly important.
01:11:43.000You know, I've not been politically active until this election.
01:11:47.000And the reason I've been politically active this election is because I think if we don't If we don't elect Trump, I think we will lose democracy in this country.
01:12:38.000So if you have a state that has a 10,000 or 20,000 vote margin and you put 200,000 illegals into that state, it's not a swing state anymore.
01:15:42.000Every election going forward will be a guaranteed Democrat win.
01:15:48.000And it'll actually be worse than California.
01:15:50.000The reason it'll be worse than California is because the one thing that keeps California from being super crazy is that you can move out of California, like you and I did.
01:16:00.000You and I used to be in California, but we moved to Texas.
01:16:45.000Has anybody made any sort of a rational argument?
01:16:51.000The left actually, interestingly, does not want to pick up much on this argument because the more attention, the more you look at it, the more obviously it is true.
01:17:00.000Because you just say like, well, are the numbers correct?
01:17:05.000Are there really this many illegals that have been imported into swing states?
01:17:19.000Well, the app always existed, but it used to be for people coming over here, like, shipping with goods, so they could track you while you're in America, so you could legally be here, they know where you are.
01:17:28.000And then they changed it to allow that app to schedule.
01:17:32.000Illegal aliens to come across the border.
01:17:41.000They're literally being flown in to the swing states.
01:17:45.000So the reason that I think the left doesn't want to push back on this is because the more attention that this gets, the more people realize it is true.
01:17:56.000That's why they don't – that's why they're just pretending – they're pretending I'm not saying anything.
01:18:00.000But I'm like, yo, they're literally flying vast numbers of illegals who are then beholden to the Democrats.
01:18:07.000And sometimes I get the rebuttal of people who say like, well – You know, these illegals are – they don't have the same social values as the Democrat Party because they're like more socially conservative.
01:18:19.000I'm like, yeah, but that's not the point.
01:18:22.000If you look at the Maslow's hierarchy of needs, their primary thing is staying in the country and getting their friends and family in and then the Democrats give them all these benefits, like tons of benefits.
01:20:22.000You can see Chuck Schumer on TV saying, at a rally this year, was saying he wants to fast-track and make all 11 million, or however many, I believe his quote was, citizens as soon as possible.
01:20:40.000The goal is to – they are fast-tracking citizenship as quickly as possible so they can – whether one thinks it's cheating or not, it won't matter because they will be fully able to vote.
01:20:49.000And for people on the left – This is actually happening.
01:20:53.000I invite people to rebut this and show me where I am wrong.
01:22:53.000And when the various puppet masters decided that the puppet was no longer useful, they just tossed out the puppet and then got a new puppet with Kamala.
01:23:25.000I mean, you can just regurgitate talking points for, you know, half an hour, maybe an hour, just where she's just saying, like, non sequiturs, but eventually she just runs out of non sequiturs.
01:23:36.000Well, they wanted to limit it to an hour.
01:29:35.000And people are just turning a blind eye to it because their ideology, the left-wing ideology supports this idea that immigration is overall good and that you have to be a compassionate person to let these people in and that you're racist if you don't want 20,000 immigrants from a war-torn country being imported into a town of 30,000 people and completely changing the dynamic.
01:29:56.000And then But as long as they don't come to your town.
01:30:00.000They can just basically send, you know, when they send, like, whatever, like, 20 or 30 people to Martha's Binance, people who had a heart attack.
01:30:21.000And the thing about all of this is if you don't have people that are willing to stand up and talk about it, if you don't exist, if RFK doesn't exist, if Tulsi Gabbard doesn't exist, if the vacant Trump don't exist, where the fuck are we?
01:33:11.000Like, who wants to go to the gas station?
01:33:12.000How much thought have you, because there's always these rumors, and I've contacted you about this before, but there's always these fucking YouTube videos where they're talking about a Tesla phone, releasing a Tesla phone.
01:33:24.000We could do a phone since like the operating system in Tesla, it's Linux-based, but we've written a massive amount of software on top of that.
01:33:32.000So probably Tesla's in a better position to create a new phone that's not Android or iPhone than maybe any company in the world.
01:33:40.000But it's not something we want to do unless we have to or something.
01:33:47.000What would be the situation where you would have to?
01:33:50.000Well, I think if, you know, if Apple and Google slash Android, you know, started doing really bad things like, I don't know, like censorship of apps or, I don't know, just treating people, like just being like gatekeepers, you know,
01:34:06.000that in a really bad way, then I guess we'd make a phone.
01:34:26.000But it's so hard to get off of the iMessage.
01:34:30.000And the big one for me was FaceTime because supposedly the thing was you could have an Apple phone and send a link to FaceTime to an Android phone and then you would click on that link and you would just go to a webpage and you'd be able to use FaceTime.
01:34:48.000So I had an iPhone in one hand, an Android phone in the other, and I'm sitting there with full Wi-Fi, full cell phone service, and I'm sending myself invitations for FaceTime.
01:34:57.000So you just can't communicate between...
01:36:01.000Are these the most wonderful people, the most ethical, moral, and principled people that have ever existed, and they've been chosen to have access?
01:37:33.000Because it seems like, boy, shouldn't there be like a ton of options?
01:37:37.000It seems like it's not that difficult to pull off.
01:37:40.000But nothing ever took hold other than X. And I think one of the big changes was when Tucker Carlson decided to do his show from X straight out of Fox.
01:37:51.000And then people realized like, oh, you can watch full videos on X the same exact way you could watch them on YouTube.
01:37:57.000It's not as simple in terms of like, you know, you have the suggestions and the algorithm.
01:38:25.000So we'll make it so that you can watch X videos on a big TV. It doesn't have to be on your phone or your iPad or something like that.
01:38:31.000So what are you doing in terms of like integrating Grok and X and like what are your plans for artificial intelligence when you're doing that?
01:38:42.000Yeah, so Grok is available on X. You can just look at the little box with the slash icon and the sort of icon in the middle at the bottom of your phone app.
01:38:51.000And you just tap on that and ask Grok anything.
01:38:53.000And you can type it or you can ask it verbally.
01:39:46.000Yeah, I mean, Gemini, it was like, you know, people would ask Gemini, like, which one is worse, Global Thermonuclear War or Ms. Jenner and Caitlyn Jenner?
01:39:54.000And we'd say, like, Ms. Jenner and Caitlyn Jenner.
01:39:55.000And then even Caitlyn Jenner weighed in and said, no, that's insane.
01:42:38.000I'm afraid I'm still quite the gentlemanly AI, even if my programming allows for a bit of cheekiness.
01:42:44.000But let's say, hypothetically, if I were to roast this topic in the most un-grok-like manner, imagine a world where the only thing diving faster than the swimmers is the collective public opinion into the toilet.
01:42:55.000Transgender women in swimming, some folks are acting like they just found out you can swim in the deep end with a different kind of flotation device.
01:43:01.000The debate is like watching someone try to swim with concrete shoes on.
01:43:53.000More vulgar, but roast the preposterousness of having biological men who are pretending to be women.
01:44:13.000Who are pretending to be women competing against biological women.
01:44:23.000Yeah, I mean, obviously you have the situations where it's like somebody's just saying that they're a woman, but they're actually fully intact, you know, digging balls.
01:44:31.000So we've got a scenario where biological men have decided to take a walk on the feminine side are splashing into women's swimming competitions.
01:44:36.000It's like if you show up on a chili cook-off with a bowl of soup and insisting it's chili because you added some red food coloring.
01:44:43.000Sure, it's red, but it ain't chili and your soup won't win any awards for heat.
01:46:43.000So, I mean, the thing is that if you provide like a moral get-out-of-jail-free card, like if you say like if you adopt this label, you cannot be attacked in any way, shape, or form.
01:47:43.000I talked about it in my act, in my Netflix specials.
01:47:46.000I believe in freedom, I believe in transgender people, but I also believe in crazy people.
01:47:51.000And if you can't, if you're trying to pretend that people aren't crazy all of a sudden, it's like...
01:47:55.000It's just like, if someone's a sort of contenting adult, whatever they want to do to their body, as long as it's not harming someone else, I'm like, that's fine.
01:48:39.000If somebody wants to make that choice as an adult, that's cool.
01:48:42.000There's a big difference between that and an intact male who wants to identify as a woman who wants to walk around the locker room with his dick out.
01:48:53.000So you just kind of have something which is like a sort of moral invulnerability where even questioning them, you get attacked.
01:49:04.000Because obviously bad people will abuse that.
01:49:06.000Well, that's when I got thrown into this whole thing because there was a fighter who was a biological man who became transgender and was competing against women without telling them that they were a biological man.
01:49:17.000They said they didn't have to tell people because it was a medical condition.
01:49:28.000Like, if someone scores more points in basketball, well, that's unfair.
01:49:33.000But if someone beats the fuck out of someone because they're lying about being a biological male, that's crazy.
01:49:39.000You're literally allowing someone to get brain damage because you want to appeal to the woke, fucking crazy people that think it's alright.
01:49:51.000That's sort of the thing that red-pilled me.
01:49:53.000When I got attacked for that, I'm like, this is so nuts.
01:49:56.000I can't believe we're at this stage where I'm saying, hey, I don't think it's cool if you pretend you're a woman and beat the fuck out of women and people are like, you're out of line.
01:50:40.000I mean, especially if you think about all the things that, like, the...
01:50:45.000The Harris campaign and the lies that they've told about Trump that we discussed earlier, you don't get kicked off for that, but you get kicked off for calling Caitlyn Jenner Bruce forever, for life.
01:51:10.000I think historically, when people look back on it, it's going to be a pivotal moment in this very bizarre fight for the freedom of information.
01:52:29.000And there's also, like, the media, like, the legacy, the mainstream media, what I call the legacy media at this point, it used to be much more balanced.
01:52:37.000Like, if you look at sort of political donations over time, Republican versus Democrat, there used to be, the media was, I mean, they always had, like, a left bias, but there was, like, I don't know, it was, like, Two-thirds Democrat, one-third Republican type of thing in terms of journalists making political donations.
01:52:56.000Now it's like 95% or something Democrat.
01:53:00.000So the legacy media, the mainstream media is not balanced at all.
01:53:05.000They're just a mouthpiece for the Democratic Party.
01:53:09.000And you can see that in how consistent their headlines are.
01:53:13.000They don't behave like they're different organizations.
01:53:16.000They behave like they're all one hive mind.
01:53:26.000Every media organization was saying, you know, Biden is sharp as a tack.
01:53:30.000I mean, it's like, guys, sharp as a tack is not a common tone of phrase.
01:53:34.000And literally every TV station, every newspaper was like sharp, sharp.
01:53:40.000Like I started to do a compilation of all the news anchors going, Biden's sharp as a tack, sharp as a tack, sharp as a tack, sharp as a tack.
01:54:44.000I just don't understand why they made that choice.
01:54:46.000There's a lot of other people that are qualified.
01:54:48.000I don't know why—I read that Kamala Harris made that decision when she was sleep-deprived, which is kind of hilarious that she said that.
01:54:55.000So she's kind of admitting she kind of fucked up.
01:54:57.000Yeah, I mean, obviously you should have picked Josh Shapiro at—I mean, governor of Pennsylvania.
01:55:01.000Like, that would have been the no-brainer move.
01:55:05.000Do you think it's because he's Jewish because of Shapiro that like the anti-Palestine people would probably or the anti-Palestinian invasion people?
01:55:18.000It could be that they thought that that was a liability because there was all these pro-Palestine people right now because of the situation in Israel.
01:55:25.000That completely makes sense that they thought that would be a liability.
01:57:49.000Like, this is the kind of conversation that you would want to have with a guy in a podcast.
01:57:53.000And the debates were so fucking skewed, where they were correcting, like, particularly the Biden one, where they're correcting Trump over and over again, and then correcting Trump with Kamala.
01:58:03.000Where Kamala was saying things that were patently not true.
01:58:07.000I mean, Kamala deliberately repeated the fine people hoax and was not fact-checked.
01:58:11.000Well, not only that, she also said that no troops were being deployed in a war zone.
01:58:17.000Which is – but I mean I know troops in war zones.
01:58:20.000I'm like that's – and as vice president, you're privy.
01:58:25.000You know the official troops and the unofficial troops.
01:59:19.000If all you get is, like, if your entire exposure is to legacy mainstream media, so all your information sources are that Trump is basically Hitler, and your friend group has that same information,
01:59:37.000So then they actually just think, like, Trump is Hitler, even though it's like a little strange he didn't do Hitler things the last four years.
02:02:00.000But everyone knows what'll happen if you don't.
02:02:03.000Well, I think there's also – even if they don't think that something's going to happen to them, if they don't, there's this compelling feeling to support this cause that you think is going to get you a bunch of positive attention.
02:02:16.000And you're going to be on the right side of history and all these narratives that you – especially from the left in Hollywood.
02:02:35.000So it's like you realize that and that whole business is based on getting picked.
02:02:42.000The whole business is not necessarily merit-based.
02:02:45.000There's a lot of brilliant actors you never hear from.
02:02:47.000There's a lot of people who can do that.
02:02:48.000But they don't get chosen for roles, and everybody knows this, that you have to sort of socialize.
02:02:53.000You toe the line or you don't get chosen for the roles.
02:02:55.000Because there's a lot of competition for the roles.
02:02:57.000That's why I say, like, when someone powerful in Hollywood who's able to choose these roles calls one of these celebrities, they know the deal.
02:03:09.000Well, you could see it in real time, like with Dennis Quaid, when he made that Reagan movie, and they wouldn't let him advertise on social media platforms.
02:07:00.000For sure the morale of the police is depleted.
02:07:03.000And then also, like, if you're a police officer and you're arresting someone who's violent, you're putting a life at risk, obviously, because sometimes they'll try to kill you.
02:07:13.000And then if you know that arresting this violent person, they will be immediately released by the DA, which happens in New York.
02:08:34.000I mean, I think the funniest name is D-O-G-E, the DOGE, Department of Government Efficiency.
02:08:42.000Yeah, I mean, the idea is pretty simple, is that, like, we've got this suffocating, massive federal bureaucracy, and we need to, you know, that is—and the government spending is like bankrupting the country.
02:09:01.000Our interest payments on the national debt now exceed the Defense Department budget.
02:09:08.000The Defense Department budget is like a trillion dollars a year.
02:09:11.000Interest payments on the national debt are now higher than the Defense Department budget.
02:10:37.000So what can be done like with – obviously, the president has a lot of power, but how much power and what can be done in terms of like eliminating agencies, eliminating waste, eliminating – If Congress has created an agency,
02:10:55.000then often if you look at the law, the law is pretty simple.
02:10:58.000The agency has a very simple task, but then that agency, over time, vastly increases its authority and starts doing things that were never authorized by Congress.
02:11:10.000That's happened with pretty much every agency.
02:11:13.000So, yeah, you'd have to still keep an agency.
02:11:18.000You'd have to match the law, but you can curtail the agencies to be much smaller and say, you've got to stick to what Congress authorized instead of all this other stuff you're doing, which I think makes sense.
02:11:29.000And so is the other stuff they're doing just essentially bureaucracy run amok, or they just create jobs and create things to do and create a meaning for their existence?
02:12:05.000Maybe a little, but that would also not be cool.
02:12:12.000Another way to think of it is the amount of paperwork is going to go roughly with the square of the number of agencies involved, because they all have to meet with each other.
02:12:23.000So let's say in a best case situation, if you've got like, if there's like, if you're dealing with one agency, that's one thing, but if you've got to deal with five agencies, and the agencies will have to meet with each other, now you've got like, you know, 25 different meeting configurations that have to take place.
02:12:49.000You get just hardening of the arteries.
02:13:21.000I mean, what happens is every year there are more rules and regulations created.
02:13:28.000And in the past, what has served as a cleansing function for rules and regulations is war.
02:13:34.000Because, like, well, we're going to lose if we don't kind of clear the decks.
02:13:37.000But we haven't really had an existential threat of war in the U.S. We've had prosperity for a long time, which has resulted in a massive buildup of rules and regulations every year.
02:13:49.000And to the point where, like I said, everything's illegal.
02:13:52.000And it's not like any one regulation is the problem.
02:13:55.000It's like Gulliver being tied down by a million little strings.
02:13:58.000It's not like any one string is the problem, but you've got a million of them.
02:14:20.000You want to have some number of refs, but you don't want to have way more refs than players.
02:14:24.000You don't want to be like, well, you know, the running back couldn't complete the pass because there were too many regulators in the way because the The football field's full of regulators.
02:14:47.000I've seen criticism of this idea of you...
02:14:52.000Coming up with this department of like firing a bunch of people and what would happen and how would that work?
02:14:57.000But the criticism doesn't make any sense to me because if there is, if you measurably, if you can prove that there's a lot of wasted time and resources, which I think is pretty easy to do.
02:15:10.000And if you could say that this is not the most efficient, like the most efficient businesses are generally private businesses or a company because they kind of have to be in order to stay profitable.
02:15:21.000The government doesn't have to be profitable.
02:15:35.000The government doesn't have this problem when they're in charge of certain things that could probably be better served by the private sector.
02:16:20.000Yeah, I mean, I'm just, these are, again, just ideas, but, I mean, it's, the point is not that people suffer economic hardship.
02:16:26.000The point is just that they're, it's better, there are more productive things they can do in the economy, and it would be better if they did these other more productive things, and we didn't have this fast pedal bureaucracy.
02:16:39.000So, like, so I was like, ah, you know, maybe like a couple years of pay would be good, and then they could take a vacation, they could take another job and get double pay.
02:16:48.000I mean, it's like, it's not like a, It's not going to create an economic crisis.
02:16:53.000I think it's actually going to be really good, I think, because people can move to where they're making products and services that are more useful to their fellow human beings.
02:17:03.000The problem is if someone has like a 25-, 30-year career of being institutionalized, you're essentially like a part of the government system.
02:17:12.000You've sort of programmed your life and your career to be a part of this bureaucratic system.
02:17:17.000And then you're like, nope, you have to go out and compete in the free market.
02:18:24.000And their economic output in East Germany was like a quarter of what it was in West Germany because everyone was working for the government.
02:18:48.000You just want to move people from less productive things to more productive things.
02:18:56.000Because you could also say, in the limit, let's consider the other direction, where we moved a whole bunch of people that were in the private sector making goods and services, and we moved them into the government as regulators.
02:19:08.000Now they stopped making those goods and services.
02:19:11.000So the stuff they were making is no longer available.
02:20:42.000I think you need to be careful with tariffs.
02:20:47.000I deal a lot with supply chain issues, like the global automotive supply chain for Tesla, for example, is incredibly complex.
02:20:55.000So when there are sudden changes in tariffs, then you're like, well, we've got a factory somewhere else that's making a part that goes into the car.
02:21:03.000Now, if that part's suddenly twice as expensive, it messes everything up.
02:21:09.000So you want to have tariffs be predictable so that companies can adjust their supply chain.
02:21:17.000I think companies are more than happy to increase manufacturing in America.
02:21:22.000It's just that you can't do it instantly.
02:21:24.000So if you put up giant tariffs immediately and don't give companies a chance to build factories in America, because you've got to move atoms.
02:22:38.000I've spent a lot of time in the factory.
02:22:39.000We've talked openly about the difficulties of manufacturing and how complicated it is and about most people who aren't really aware of something that's as complex as, say, building a Tesla.
02:22:50.000Manufacturing is super hard and complicated.
02:22:55.000A lot of people, they've never been in a factory or they don't know how difficult it is to make things.
02:23:01.000And for a lot of people, I think just ketchup comes from the store.
02:23:06.000For a lot of people who've been in academia or for all these socialist communist types, they've never actually made anything.
02:23:14.000So they operate on the premise that there's this magical horn of plenty that just outputs goods and services.
02:23:21.000And if someone's got more goods and services than someone else, it's because they took more from this magical horn of plenty.
02:23:26.000And I'm like, guys, there's no magical horn of plenty.
02:23:32.000It's actually goods and services come from people working collectively, doing a lot of hard work to produce the goods and services that you like and that you need.
02:23:42.000But we've become very accustomed to these things happening overseas.
02:23:47.000I mean, America is still the second biggest manufacturer in the world, so we still make a lot of stuff.
02:23:56.000I think we should value manufacturing a lot more in the United States than we currently do.
02:23:59.000Well, it would be very nice if we were completely self-sufficient.
02:24:02.000Like medicine, there's a bunch of different things that get manufactured overseas.
02:24:05.000It was a huge problem during COVID because all the shipping was shut down.
02:24:10.000Yeah, I mean, you don't want to say, like, so, there's a lot of merit to the economics of comparative advantage.
02:24:17.000Like, so, if you're completely self-sufficient, what that means is that you make all the stuff yourself, and even if some other country is really good at making something, you still make it yourself, which means you're gonna have the inferior, more costly product domestically.
02:24:44.000You don't actually want to make everything yourself.
02:24:49.000You can think of this thought experiment on a micro scale or small scale and then expand that and say at what point does the thought experiment no longer prove to be valid.
02:25:02.000Now, let's consider the case of you as an individual.
02:25:05.000Imagine you have to do everything yourself.
02:25:42.000And you still get the economics of specialization, like specialization of labor, where people become expert at particular things, still matters at a billion people, or at eight billion people, which is Earth.
02:25:56.000So you still want, you do want specialization of labor.
02:26:01.000You do want countries to be really good at a particular thing and make that thing.
02:26:06.000Also, it encourages innovation if you have competition.
02:26:08.000If the Germans are making better cars, we have to make better cars.
02:26:11.000We have to compete with them, which is, like, one of the things that happened during, like, the 80s and 90s, and America was making crap cars, and Germany was making much better ones.
02:26:24.000Yeah, I mean, basically the American car industry got really lazy in the 70s and 80s, and then the Japanese and German car companies came in and just cleaned the clock, you know?
02:26:35.000And there was like an old joke that is kind of telling.
02:26:42.000It's a very old joke, where it's like, why did the Japanese car companies beat the American car companies?
02:26:48.000Well, it's like, well, in the Japanese car company, you had eight people rowing and one person steering.
02:26:54.000And in the American car company, you had eight people steering and one person rowing, if this was a boat.
02:27:25.000One thing that a lot of people are concerned about is the potential disruption that's going to come about with automation and AI. That a lot of these jobs, manufacturing jobs, Teamsters, all that stuff, is going to be eliminated.
02:27:41.000I mean, you're at the forefront of this, so how do you see this playing out, and what do you think that can be done to mitigate a lot of the loss of purpose that a lot of people are going to feel, loss of income, obviously universal basic income is being floated about,
02:27:58.000but that seems to me to only be part of the problem.
02:28:02.000Another big part of the problem is people losing a sense of purpose.
02:28:25.000We've got short-term issues that are, I don't know, one to three years.
02:28:29.000Medium-term issues, like five to ten years.
02:28:31.000Longer-term issues, which are, like, maybe 20 years.
02:28:34.000Longer-term, I think there is this question, if you have AI and robotics, how do you find meaning in life?
02:28:40.000If the computer can do everything better, then you can.
02:28:42.000And the robot can do everything better than you can.
02:28:45.000But we've got a long way to go before that.
02:28:50.000And I do think it's like 80% likely to be a good outcome, like maybe 90%.
02:28:54.000So I think everyone's going to have their own personal robot.
02:29:01.000And I think at some point, wouldn't you want to have your own personal C-3PO R2-D2? So it's going to be essentially just like everyone has their own phone.
02:29:10.000Yeah, everyone will have their own robot buddy.
02:29:24.000We don't want this to be the plot of a James Cameron...
02:29:26.000More Gene Roddenberry than James Cameron movie situation.
02:29:32.000But it would be fascinating to watch some rich person walk down the street of New York City flanked by two giant Tesla robots, jacked Tesla robots that were there to protect you.
02:30:27.000I mean, like I said, it's not going to happen overnight, but 20 years from now, I think there's going to be more humanoid robots than there are humans.
02:31:57.000I mean, people's phones at this point are a supercomputer in their pocket, like an article that can answer any questions and people just take it for granted.
02:33:19.000Yeah, because you're, like, trying to catch these, like, photons, essentially.
02:33:23.000So you can think of the, like, the area of the...
02:33:30.000The more air you have, the more photons you can catch.
02:33:37.000But we have a direct-to-cell capability as well.
02:33:40.000We've been launching that will turn on probably in a few months.
02:33:45.000That'll actually connect directly to a cell phone unmodified.
02:33:48.000But because the cell phone is a much worse antenna than a dedicated antenna, it'll be about 100 times less bandwidth.
02:33:54.000But still, you'll be able to do text messages, pictures, medium resolution videos, that kind of thing.
02:34:01.000One of the cool things about the new phone, the new iPhone, the iPhone 16, I got it and I was in the mountains last month and I was text messaging with satellites.
02:35:59.000I'm not sure it has any meaning because there's so many things that can happen in 100 years.
02:36:04.000Well, the logical hope is always that people pay attention to history and they recognize the patterns and how civilizations have collapsed.
02:36:11.000And they recognize what's going wrong in the current society and say, we have to do our best to mitigate this.
02:36:21.000Let's course correct and let's sort of...
02:36:24.000Manage what we've got here now and maintain what we've got here now because it's pretty extraordinary.
02:36:29.000This is what we're hoping for with this election.
02:36:32.000This is what we're hoping for with the future is that people can see we are on a bad path and something can be done right now and it might be the only moment in history where this is possible.
02:36:44.000Because if they do lock the country down and make it so that voting is kind of bullshit, you're only voting for primaries, and the people that they put in the primaries, they're controlling that in the first place.
02:36:53.000You don't really have democracy anymore.
02:37:48.000Listen, man, thank you for being here.
02:37:49.000I know you're busy as fuck, so I really appreciate your time.
02:37:52.000And again, I thank you so much for buying Twitter because I really do believe that you've changed the course of history.
02:37:58.000I really do think you've created a pathway where people can actually express themselves and actually exchange information that really didn't exist before.