The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2225 - Dave Smith

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00:00:12.000 And I couldn't, even after we got off the phone last night, I was like, I'm gonna go to bed.

00:00:15.000 And then I just had to watch clips.

00:00:17.000 Which time did I call you?

00:00:19.000 Like 3?

00:00:19.000 3.30, something like that.

00:00:21.000 Yeah, I was just sitting in front of YouTube watching professional pool on TV going, what the fuck is going on? 0.93

00:00:27.000 So, turns out, voting works. 0.98

00:00:31.000 It's real. 0.99

00:00:31.000 As much as we fucking thought they had it rigged, as much as we thought there were shenanigans and bullshit and it's just a puppet show and there's no way anybody could buck the system, turns out voting is still real. 0.99

00:00:45.000 At least partially. 0.98

00:00:47.000 At least if it's too big to rig.

00:00:48.000 Yes.

00:00:49.000 And clearly he was too big to rig.

00:00:51.000 Yeah.

00:00:52.000 Wasn't it, it was crazy because it was like for weeks, especially in the close of the campaign, it was one of those things where it felt like, It almost felt like 2008 when Obama was running against McCain, and it was just so obvious Obama was running away with this.

00:01:09.000 Everything you could see and observe, his crowd sizes, the enthusiasm, the culture, it was all behind him.

00:01:15.000 But at that time, the polls were reflecting what you saw everywhere.

00:01:19.000 Obama's up big.

00:01:21.000 He's about to...

00:01:21.000 John McCain's not gonna win after eight years of George W. Bush.

00:01:24.000 The country doesn't want another war hawk.

00:01:26.000 They want this, you know, articulate young peace guy.

00:01:29.000 Right.

00:01:30.000 And it was like that with Trump, where it's like, all the signs are that he's clearly running away with this.

00:01:34.000 But then every single poll told you, no, this is the closest election of your lifetime.

00:01:39.000 And then it was just, there was a very interesting feeling to see it and be like, oh, okay, I'm not crazy.

00:01:45.000 I was observing all the things I was observing.

00:01:47.000 Do you know what Trump told me about the polls?

00:01:50.000 No, what? 1.00

00:01:51.000 He's like, they're bullshit. 1.00

00:01:52.000 They don't do anything. 1.00

00:01:53.000 You give them money, they come back, they have these results, you don't know.

00:01:57.000 He was like, they charge 500 grand for...

00:01:59.000 Yeah, he's right.

00:02:00.000 He's right.

00:02:01.000 And the media gaslit us to the absolute limits of their ability.

00:02:10.000 The absolute limits.

00:02:12.000 Joy Reid spent the entire time she was discussing Trump the other day comparing him to Mussolini, Stalin, Hitler, talking about a right-wing authoritarian regime as if he had never been president for four years and didn't behave like any of those things.

00:02:30.000 As if the economy wasn't booming, as if people weren't making more money, as if we weren't involved in any new conflicts overseas, no new wars.

00:02:38.000 I could point to a lot of things Trump did in his four years that I think were bad, but they were things that were similar to Obama and Bush.

00:02:46.000 Guess what?

00:02:47.000 I bet he could point to them, too.

00:02:49.000 When I talked to him about what it was like to actually govern for the first time ever, It's a daunting task.

00:02:56.000 He was telling me about the thousands and thousands of appointments he had to make.

00:03:01.000 Thousands of people he had to pick.

00:03:02.000 He didn't know who any of these people were.

00:03:04.000 He had to trust people that he knew and he didn't know who was telling them the truth and who was just trying to get the system moving along in the exact same direction. 0.99

00:03:11.000 And he got bogged down with a lot of that shit. 0.99

00:03:13.000 It took forever for them to weed it out. 1.00

00:03:16.000 Which is the crazy thing about being president.

00:03:18.000 It's the hardest job on the planet and you start it without any knowledge of it.

00:03:22.000 Well, that's, yeah.

00:03:23.000 And I mean, a little bit of that's on him, because there were some people who he probably should have known.

00:03:27.000 What I didn't like in his answer about that to you is that then he kind of pivoted to talking about how John Bolton was actually really good to have there, because he's terrifying. 0.89

00:03:37.000 Terrifying and he's crazy. 0.58

00:03:38.000 Oh, this guy wants war with everyone.

00:03:39.000 But the problem is that, like, that's not how it went down.

00:03:43.000 John Bolton ruined the North Korea deal.

00:03:45.000 It's not like it was successful and the North Koreans were so scared of John Bolton that they wanted to talk to Donald Trump.

00:03:51.000 They were at the meeting.

00:03:52.000 They were willing to talk to Donald Trump. 0.99

00:03:53.000 And then John Bolton came in and they were like, these guys are psychopaths. 0.99

00:03:57.000 I don't want to make a deal with them. 0.99

00:03:59.000 That mustache alone.

00:04:00.000 And I will say, look man, I was rooting for Trump last night as much as anybody in this country was.

00:04:07.000 Not as much as Tony Hinchcliffe.

00:04:08.000 Okay.

00:04:09.000 Second most.

00:04:11.000 Second to Tony Hinchcliffe.

00:04:13.000 More Puerto Ricans voted for Trump than ever.

00:04:17.000 Ever.

00:04:18.000 By up 26%.

00:04:19.000 Well, but wasn't it?

00:04:21.000 And wasn't that just one of the...

00:04:24.000 Look, there's obviously a huge series of these things where the Democrat establishment and the corporate media, but I repeat myself, it's death by a thousand self-inflicted wounds.

00:04:36.000 Yes, yes.

00:04:37.000 It is almost as if, it's like their whole thing relies on lies.

00:04:41.000 It's just all lies.

00:04:43.000 And they are just, they have their eyes shut and their fingers in their ears, and they're going, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:04:49.000 We're just pretending reality is the thing we want it to be.

00:04:53.000 Exactly.

00:04:53.000 They don't want to get slowed down by this force that is objective reality.

00:04:58.000 And so all of it, you know, whether it's Joe Biden's sharp as a tack, Kamala Harris is joy.

00:05:05.000 You know, Donald Trump is Hitler.

00:05:07.000 Tony Hinchcliffe was a man at an event who made some comments. 0.95

00:05:12.000 Did you see?

00:05:13.000 Really, that wasn't a comedian who was ribbing everybody.

00:05:17.000 Not only that, but an insult comedian.

00:05:18.000 A comedian who's famous for insulting people.

00:05:20.000 And we're supposed to act like it's not 2024. We didn't all grow up on Don Rickles.

00:05:25.000 We all know exactly what Tony Hinchcliffe is doing.

00:05:28.000 Did you see the clip that the mothership posted?

00:05:30.000 It's on my Instagram.

00:05:31.000 No.

00:05:31.000 So they're talking about the comedian who made jokes about Puerto Rico while Tony's on stage on the other screen.

00:05:38.000 So Tony's on stage at the mothership while this guy's talking about what Tony did on CNN. And they're going over like the Puerto Rican population and how they voted.

00:05:48.000 Just pull it up because it's fucking crazy. 0.96

00:05:51.000 We're watching it and Metzger was back there. 0.98

00:05:53.000 The whole green room was packed. 0.99

00:05:54.000 We were having the best fucking time. 0.99

00:05:56.000 There should have been a camera on the green room last night. 0.99

00:05:59.000 It would have been the greatest reality show of all time.

00:06:00.000 Bryan Simpson and Tony Hinchcliffe and Hassan.

00:06:03.000 Everybody's cracking jokes.

00:06:05.000 Metzger.

00:06:06.000 Look at this.

00:06:08.000 Oh dude, that's so great.

00:06:21.000 I just said after that, we're in a simulation, for sure.

00:06:25.000 Yeah, it does feel that way.

00:06:26.000 It's on the video.

00:06:27.000 I said, we're in a simulation.

00:06:28.000 It's 100%.

00:06:30.000 Well, it's just like...

00:06:31.000 It is just unbelievable, man.

00:06:34.000 The false reality that they were trying to present while you're watching what's actually going on and seeing that it's like...

00:06:43.000 There was just an enormous shift culturally from even 2016 to now.

00:06:49.000 And I thought one of the big...

00:06:51.000 Indicators to me.

00:06:52.000 I was talking about this a bunch on my show over the last couple weeks.

00:06:57.000 Or since the Garden event, whatever that was, a week and a half ago.

00:07:01.000 And dude, there were no protesters.

00:07:04.000 That to me was so wild.

00:07:06.000 It was all gaslighting.

00:07:07.000 But I'm saying like, if this was happening in 2016, if in 2016 Trump came to Manhattan to give a speech, there would have been like thousands of protesters.

00:07:18.000 I was there actually in 2016 when that did happen.

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00:09:12.000 I was there the day that he won.

00:09:15.000 I was there for the UFC. So the next day we're walking down the street in Manhattan and people are chanting.

00:09:22.000 This guy was saying, Donald Trump, KKK, anti-black and anti-gay. 0.99

00:09:29.000 Not a terrible chant. 1.00

00:09:31.000 It was terrible. 0.97

00:09:32.000 The biggest cuck ever. 0.99

00:09:34.000 The super cuck. 0.99

00:09:36.000 The guy was a super cuck. 0.96

00:09:37.000 He was one of those guys where you're just like, look at you! 0.98

00:09:40.000 I wanted to follow him around.

00:09:41.000 I'm like, you're amazing.

00:09:42.000 You're a gift.

00:09:43.000 Keep talking.

00:09:43.000 Just let me listen to you.

00:09:44.000 What's your life like after this?

00:09:46.000 Two black guys started walking towards his way.

00:09:47.000 He started chanting, black lives matter. 0.64

00:09:49.000 As soon as he saw the black guys, black guys, black lives matter, black lives matter. 0.97

00:09:53.000 I was like, this is amazing.

00:09:54.000 I stuck right behind him.

00:09:56.000 Me and Cam Haynes and I think Tony was there too.

00:09:59.000 And we were just, this is crazy.

00:10:01.000 This is crazy.

00:10:03.000 But they don't seem to have that in the same way. 1.00

00:10:05.000 It's all bullshit. 0.99

00:10:06.000 The shock troops aren't there for them anymore. 1.00

00:10:08.000 It's bullshit. 0.99

00:10:09.000 First of all, back then they didn't know what he was going to do and what he did economically. 1.00

00:10:14.000 Chamath has the best way of explaining it.

00:10:16.000 He said, it was the right message, it was the wrong messenger.

00:10:20.000 But if you look at the actual actions, were they good for the economy, were they good for the United States?

00:10:24.000 They were.

00:10:25.000 But it's Donald Trump as the messenger was so polarized and the people lost what's really going on just based on who this guy is who has, just like Tony Hinchcliffe is an insult comic, Donald Trump's entire career is, you're fired. 1.00

00:10:40.000 You're a loser. 1.00

00:10:42.000 Rosie O'Donnell's a loser. 1.00

00:10:43.000 Like, that's his whole shtick. 0.99

00:10:45.000 And you expect him to course-correct once he gets into office?

00:10:48.000 No, that's not who he is.

00:10:50.000 You elected that guy.

00:10:52.000 But along with that, now you get RFK Jr., you get Tulsi Gabbard, you get Elon Musk, and you get J.D. Vance.

00:11:01.000 You get brilliant people who aren't ideologically captured, two of them who used to be Democrats, one of them that probably knows more about environmental polluting and about the problems with pharmaceutical drug companies and health and the consequences of All sorts of pesticides and herbicides,

00:11:19.000 ingredients in your food that should be banned and are banned in other countries.

00:11:22.000 You got that guy in there now.

00:11:23.000 And we got a real chance to make real change.

00:11:26.000 This is like one of the first times ever where there's a real chance to make real tangible change that's going to be for the good of everybody.

00:11:34.000 And he's got to unite people.

00:11:37.000 He's got to not attack the left, not attack everybody. 0.99

00:11:40.000 Let them all talk their shit, but unite. 0.99

00:11:43.000 Now it's time to unite everybody. 1.00

00:11:45.000 100%.

00:11:45.000 And then there's even more guys.

00:11:48.000 Vivek Ramaswamy.

00:11:49.000 Yes, Vivek.

00:11:51.000 David Sachs.

00:11:52.000 I mean, he's got some really smart guys who are very successful.

00:11:56.000 Vivek is a wizard.

00:11:56.000 Yes.

00:11:56.000 Who are really...

00:11:57.000 Vivek's incredible.

00:11:59.000 Incredible.

00:11:59.000 Which is excellent and totally brilliant and so right about so many of the major issues.

00:12:04.000 Yes.

00:12:05.000 And...

00:12:06.000 Look, I mean, Donald Trump now, he has a real mandate, which is like, this is kind of what's crazy.

00:12:12.000 This isn't 2016 where, you know, he lost by several million votes in the popular vote, but won the counties that were important and just by the skin of his teeth got in.

00:12:23.000 This is like, he's, I mean, the last I looked, he was up by over five million in the popular vote.

00:12:28.000 Yeah, five million in the popular vote.

00:12:29.000 And what was it when I went to bed, it was 312?

00:12:32.000 Yeah.

00:12:33.000 He had 312 Electoral College votes?

00:12:35.000 Yeah, with still, I think, a few states.

00:12:38.000 Arizona, I think, hasn't finished yet.

00:12:40.000 And so it might even rack up higher than that.

00:12:43.000 But the mandate is, like, very specific.

00:12:46.000 It's like the basic policies of, like, okay, immigration control.

00:12:51.000 Can't just have an open border with no control of who comes into our country. 0.99

00:12:54.000 A desire to get out of stupid foreign wars. 1.00

00:12:57.000 Yes. 1.00

00:12:58.000 You know, and obviously improve the economy, deal with inflation, things like that.

00:13:03.000 But he's got a mandate to do that right now, and he's got some great people around him.

00:13:09.000 Listen, I was rooting for him as hard as anyone except Tony Hinchcliffe last night.

00:13:15.000 But I will say now, I think now till January 20th, the pressure should be on Trump for To do better on the appointments than he did last time.

00:13:26.000 He's got a lot of better people around him than he ever had in 2016 or 2020, but he was floating out Mike Pompeo as the Secretary of Defense, and he did have Mike Pompeo speak at his final campaign event.

00:13:41.000 To be clear, Mike Pompeo is Liz Cheney's pick for defense secretary.

00:13:46.000 It's Hillary Clinton's pick for defense secretary.

00:13:49.000 And so much of this will be lost if he puts that guy in there.

00:13:52.000 He needs to keep all of the Lindsey Grahams and the Mike Pompeo's and all of these guys away from his administration.

00:14:01.000 Bring in the non-interventionists, man. 1.00

00:14:03.000 No one wants to fight these stupid wars anymore. 1.00

00:14:06.000 And that's what you ran on and won on. 1.00

00:14:08.000 I want Lindsey Graham to start a podcast. 1.00

00:14:10.000 That I'd be fine with.

00:14:11.000 We gotta get those minerals.

00:14:13.000 There's some expensive minerals over there in Ukraine.

00:14:19.000 Tim Dillon was doing an impression of him yesterday.

00:14:22.000 It was amazing.

00:14:23.000 It was amazing.

00:14:25.000 Dude, I don't even like...

00:14:26.000 Maybe I should...

00:14:26.000 No, he deserves it.

00:14:27.000 But did you ever see the thing when he was running for president?

00:14:31.000 Wait, he ran for president?

00:14:32.000 Lindsey Graham ran for president.

00:14:33.000 That's amazing.

00:14:35.000 In 2016. Imagine the hubris.

00:14:37.000 I think Trump gave his phone number out.

00:14:39.000 No, did he really?

00:14:40.000 Yeah, you don't remember that?

00:14:42.000 No!

00:14:42.000 He was attacking Donald Trump for probably not being an awful war hawk or something like that, and Donald Trump said something about how he used to call him and ask for money when he was running for campaign, and then he just gave his phone number out.

00:14:57.000 He made a senator change his phone number.

00:15:00.000 It was just so great.

00:15:01.000 That's like a Chael Sonnen move.

00:15:03.000 Yeah, it was just amazing.

00:15:04.000 It's so funny!

00:15:05.000 Amazing.

00:15:06.000 But he said Lindsey Graham was asked about being the first single president.

00:15:11.000 Yeah, never married, no kid.

00:15:12.000 And he goes, there might be a bunch of different first ladies if I was in there. 1.00

00:15:17.000 Right.

00:15:17.000 Yeah, sure, buddy.

00:15:19.000 First of all, that's...

00:15:20.000 The last thing you say, if you're a man and you're a heterosexual, you say, I'm trying to find a good woman.

00:15:26.000 Yeah, really.

00:15:27.000 I'm trying to just find one good woman that I can grow with and that I love with all my heart.

00:15:32.000 Just one good woman. 0.84

00:15:32.000 I know that she's out there. 0.84

00:15:34.000 That's what you say.

00:15:35.000 Might be a bunch of first ladies. 1.00

00:15:37.000 I'm going to get divorced and married and divorced and married and keep on scooping up them minerals in the Ukraine.

00:15:43.000 I'm going to give those minerals to the Russians. 1.00

00:15:46.000 We're just walking around with women's panties on and shit and high heels. 1.00

00:15:53.000 I'm the president. 1.00

00:15:54.000 I mean, listen, I wouldn't- I'm the first lady, too.

00:15:57.000 I'm gonna wear her clothes.

00:15:58.000 I typically wouldn't go after someone for that, but when you're a warhawk, all is fair.

00:16:03.000 But he's got to keep those people away from him, man.

00:16:06.000 And that really was his failure in his first term.

00:16:08.000 And look, I do understand him saying, I don't know, he was an outsider.

00:16:12.000 He had never lived in Washington, D.C. He didn't know all these people, but he's had a lot of time.

00:16:16.000 This is eight years later, and he's got a great core of people around him, and those are the people to take advice from.

00:16:23.000 Well, they're on it.

00:16:24.000 They're on it right now.

00:16:26.000 Talk to Rand Paul.

00:16:27.000 Rand Paul will tell you who to put in those positions.

00:16:29.000 Talk to Thomas Massey.

00:16:30.000 I just saw he floated at Thomas Massey for, I can't remember what position it was.

00:16:35.000 That's great.

00:16:36.000 Put those guys in there.

00:16:38.000 These are the America first guys, okay?

00:16:41.000 And it's not Mike Pompeo.

00:16:44.000 It's not the war machine, dude.

00:16:46.000 And also, You know, look, his rhetoric was so great on Ukraine through the election.

00:16:52.000 And when he had the courage to just say, like, no, I want the dying to stop.

00:16:56.000 That was one of the best moments of the entire campaign.

00:16:59.000 But his rhetoric on Israel has been very bad.

00:17:03.000 And the other thing that you can't get around is that, like, listen, you can love Israel all you want to, and you can pledge to help defend them or whatever.

00:17:13.000 But, no, I'm okay.

00:17:14.000 But, uh...

00:17:16.000 But Netanyahu is John McCain.

00:17:19.000 That's who he is.

00:17:20.000 I mean, he's Mike Pompeo.

00:17:22.000 He's Liz Cheney or Nikki Haley.

00:17:23.000 He's the guy who came over and testified in 2002 before a congressional hearing and advocated that we overthrow Saddam Hussein and also advocated that we go have a regime change war in Iran, which he still wants to this day.

00:17:36.000 He advocated we had the regime change in Libya, in Syria.

00:17:39.000 I mean, he's John McCain.

00:17:41.000 That's not America first.

00:17:42.000 That's not, you know what I mean? 0.99

00:17:44.000 That's not this, we're not fighting stupid wars anymore. 0.99

00:17:46.000 So, love Israel all you want to, but we're not with Bibi Netanyahu. 0.99

00:17:52.000 That's something else.

00:17:53.000 That's the opposite of America first. 0.90

00:17:54.000 Yeah.

00:17:55.000 A lot can get done here, man.

00:17:57.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:17:57.000 I think he can listen to those people.

00:17:59.000 He has four amazing people around him.

00:18:02.000 You know, that really have experience.

00:18:04.000 Especially Tulsi, Congresswoman for eight years.

00:18:07.000 RFK Jr. knows it inside and out.

00:18:09.000 You've got Vance, who's brilliant.

00:18:11.000 You've got Vivek, who's brilliant.

00:18:13.000 You've got four incredible people with him.

00:18:16.000 I think he can get through this in a different way than he did in 2016. I think there's real possibilities for it.

00:18:25.000 And I think that that's a huge component of it, the team that he's got around him.

00:18:30.000 And I would also put Tucker Carlson in that camp, too, because I think he is very influential on his thinking.

00:18:38.000 I think in many ways he's kind of...

00:18:40.000 Although he does think demons made nuclear bombs.

00:18:43.000 And look, 50-50 shot, he's right about that.

00:18:46.000 I'm not saying he's...

00:18:47.000 But when it comes to policy, I'm saying he's very spot on on that.

00:18:50.000 I love the guy.

00:18:51.000 Don't get me wrong.

00:18:52.000 No, me too.

00:18:52.000 And who knows?

00:18:53.000 He's a little bit obsessed with demons.

00:18:55.000 He said a demon attacked him.

00:18:56.000 Did you see that?

00:18:57.000 Yeah.

00:18:57.000 Scratched him up.

00:18:58.000 I did see that, and I wasn't sure...

00:18:59.000 When I was watching it, I was like, is this like a Halloween thing that he's doing?

00:19:03.000 Jimmy, why are you laughing?

00:19:04.000 That's so rude.

00:19:05.000 He's a victim of demons.

00:19:06.000 That sounds like a fun thing.

00:19:08.000 I don't know what happened.

00:19:09.000 That's the thing.

00:19:10.000 Demons never really get you.

00:19:12.000 You know, they're scarier.

00:19:12.000 Like ghosts, they never steal you.

00:19:14.000 Yeah, it's true.

00:19:15.000 Neither do aliens.

00:19:16.000 They bring you back.

00:19:16.000 They always bring you back.

00:19:18.000 They borrow you for a little bit.

00:19:19.000 They freak you out.

00:19:20.000 Do you think demons are bummed about that?

00:19:22.000 They're like, did you kill anyone today?

00:19:23.000 And they're like, we can only really scratch people. 0.99

00:19:25.000 Tucker thinks aliens are demons.

00:19:27.000 Yeah, I know. 0.80

00:19:28.000 Aliens are angels and demons. 1.00

00:19:30.000 He thinks it's like this idea that they come from out of space is stupid. 1.00

00:19:33.000 He thinks they've been here all along. 0.98

00:19:35.000 It's just like legit scientists that entertain this.

00:19:38.000 Yeah, I'm not convinced of that, but I do think he's really, I think he's great on war and immigration.

00:19:43.000 He is.

00:19:44.000 He's a brilliant guy.

00:19:45.000 But I do think another huge component of why Trump's got such an opportunity right now is because you see it where, like I was saying, the protesters aren't there anymore.

00:19:58.000 There's a whole lot of really interesting reasons, I think, for why that is.

00:20:02.000 And I was getting in an argument on Twitter the other day with Michael Tracy, who I do like and respect very much.

00:20:10.000 But I was basically saying that I think this is going to be a death blow for the corporate media if Donald Trump wins again.

00:20:16.000 And this is almost the best thing about him winning again.

00:20:18.000 And he was saying, which is a reasonable argument, but I disagree with him.

00:20:22.000 But he was saying, well, no, Dave.

00:20:24.000 I mean, look, last time he was in for four years, that was the best thing that ever happened to CNN and MSNBC. And they got a big ratings boost when he was in.

00:20:32.000 But I don't think that's going to work again.

00:20:34.000 I don't think it's going to work either.

00:20:35.000 Well, the thing is that so much of that ratings boost was completely driven by the Russiagate nonsense.

00:20:42.000 And what they were telling you at the time was that they had the biggest scandal in the history of the United States of America.

00:20:48.000 Like, you can't overstate how big that story is.

00:20:51.000 If it was true.

00:20:53.000 Yeah, right.

00:20:53.000 If it wasn't all completely made up.

00:20:55.000 But they're reporting that a hostile foreign power has overturned our election and the sitting president of the United States of America is in on it.

00:21:06.000 He is involved in a conspiracy with a hostile foreign government.

00:21:10.000 That's the biggest scandal in the history of America.

00:21:12.000 And for anybody who wasn't aware at the time of how fake and evil the entire system is, They were like, well, look, they got a special prosecutor on the president.

00:21:25.000 I mean, there must be something there.

00:21:27.000 And hey, I just heard the chair of the House Intelligence Committee tell me he's seen the evidence and that he's guilty of this.

00:21:34.000 And you had the former CIA director, John Brennan, saying that Trump and his family are going to be hauled off in handcuffs on television once Mueller's investigation concludes.

00:21:44.000 And so for the regular person, especially for the regular person who really hated Donald Trump, it was pretty easy to get sucked into that.

00:21:51.000 But after that was exposed for being a giant fake, and then the big one is COVID. I just don't think they can recover.

00:21:57.000 Let's pause here.

00:21:58.000 No repercussions.

00:21:59.000 Yeah.

00:22:00.000 You want to talk about misinformation.

00:22:01.000 We have to censor social media because of misinformation.

00:22:05.000 You guys spread misinformation to the biggest news organization, the biggest news audience in the world.

00:22:10.000 And you did it for three years.

00:22:12.000 Yeah.

00:22:12.000 You did it for three years.

00:22:13.000 And then when it turned out that it wasn't true, you never apologized.

00:22:17.000 It didn't just turn out it wasn't true, but turned out it was actually...

00:22:20.000 Funded by Clinton. 0.95

00:22:21.000 Well, it started as opposition research, and then the intelligence agencies jumped on that and decided, knowing that it was all bullshit, decided to use it to frame the sitting president of the United States of America of treason. 0.88

00:22:38.000 Listen, a few episodes back, one time we went real deep into this, but that claim, this is just a fact. 0.71

00:22:45.000 They lied on the FISA court application to spy on Carter Page, who was a low-level advisor for Donald Trump, just an excuse to spy on Trump's campaign, and they lied to the FISA court.

00:22:58.000 They omitted the fact that That the CIA had already told them that Carter Page wasn't a spy and that he was working with them and that he was one of their good guys.

00:23:07.000 As the FBI went to the CIA and they were like, we have information that says that the Russians approached Carter Page.

00:23:13.000 And the CIA said, yeah, we know.

00:23:15.000 He came and told us immediately because he's working with us.

00:23:18.000 And then what they put on the FISA application is they said, we believe that the Russians approached him and the CIA confirmed that was true.

00:23:26.000 Whoa.

00:23:27.000 Which is technically true.

00:23:29.000 It's a lie by omission.

00:23:30.000 You're omission, meaning the fact that he went straight to them to tell them.

00:23:33.000 Exactly.

00:23:34.000 So that was, by the way, the only guy who actually got charged was the FBI guy who submitted that application.

00:23:40.000 But look, when you said there were no ramifications, right?

00:23:45.000 You're right in the sense of, like, legally, or people getting fired.

00:23:49.000 No, I mean, the news media.

00:23:50.000 Yes, but I'm saying this is the ramification.

00:23:52.000 The ramification is that they're not gonna be able to pull it off again.

00:23:56.000 And the ramification is that, look, they...

00:23:59.000 They did everything they could to tell you this was a Nazi.

00:24:02.000 This was the end of democracy.

00:24:04.000 He incited an insurrection. 1.00

00:24:06.000 And the American people said, we already get that you're full of shit. 1.00

00:24:10.000 They cried wolf. 1.00

00:24:11.000 Too many times.

00:24:12.000 Way too many times.

00:24:13.000 Way too many times.

00:24:14.000 The Joy Reid stuff...

00:24:16.000 Was working for Trump.

00:24:18.000 It was working for Trump when she's calling him a right-wing dictator, comparing him to Mussolini and Stalin.

00:24:25.000 And then when Oprah said that if Trump wins, you may never be able to vote again.

00:24:32.000 That is the craziest thing when you go back and watch him on her show, where she was encouraging him to be president.

00:24:39.000 Yeah.

00:24:40.000 You ever see that?

00:24:41.000 Yep.

00:24:42.000 I saw it, and then I saw it when you played it fairly recently.

00:24:45.000 Hey Oprah, what changed?

00:24:47.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:24:48.000 Well, here's what changed.

00:24:49.000 The narrative.

00:24:50.000 Well, he became the guy who wasn't just funding a lot of politicians and being like a famous guy, and he became the guy who was calling all of them out and threatening to drain the swamp.

00:24:59.000 Yeah.

00:25:00.000 That really was his crime, is that he threatened the DC power establishment.

00:25:04.000 But it's crazy how many rich and famous people stepped in line to help them take him out.

00:25:10.000 Yep.

00:25:11.000 Like, so many famous, influential people.

00:25:13.000 And I give a pass to Cardi B. I give a pass.

00:25:19.000 Do you know what I'm saying?

00:25:20.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:25:20.000 I don't think Amber Rose knows what Trump's real policies are.

00:25:24.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:25:25.000 I give a pass to some celebrities that come out.

00:25:28.000 But then when you have some of them that are making videos, all the Avengers get together, like, hey, are you trying to get me to hate superhero movies? 0.87

00:25:35.000 You trying to show me your real fucking weird personalities and get me to hate superhero movies? 0.93

00:25:40.000 Why are you doing that? 1.00

00:25:41.000 If I was running the Avengers, I'd be like, hey, guys, cut this shit. 1.00

00:25:45.000 Do you think one fucking person is going to vote for Kamala Harris because they saw that Iron Man wants them to vote for Kamala Harris? 1.00

00:25:53.000 Are you fucking crazy? 1.00

00:25:54.000 Well, it's so... 1.00

00:25:55.000 Look, man, I mean, did they think...

00:25:57.000 That one Puerto Ricans vote was gonna be flipped because of a joke that Tony made?

00:26:03.000 By the way, Puerto Ricans are known for being great insult comics. 1.00

00:26:09.000 Yeah.

00:26:10.000 Like, Luis Gomez, great insult comic. 0.98

00:26:13.000 Fucking Freddie Prinze Jr. was a great comic. 0.96

00:26:15.000 Puerto Rico has a history of great comedy. 1.00

00:26:18.000 They can talk some shit. 1.00

00:26:19.000 If you grew up in New York at all, Puerto Ricans can talk a lot of shit. 1.00

00:26:24.000 Louis is one of the best shit talkers I've ever met. 1.00

00:26:26.000 Also, garbage. 1.00

00:26:28.000 So Tony had a point. 1.00

00:26:29.000 It's like Italians. 1.00

00:26:31.000 And I'm Italian. 0.98

00:26:32.000 Italians and Puerto Ricans have a lot in common that we talk a lot of shit to each other, so we don't get insulted that much by jokes. 0.96

00:26:39.000 It's not the same thing. 0.97

00:26:40.000 Right.

00:26:41.000 It's very hard to insult an Italian and have it stick.

00:26:45.000 It doesn't work.

00:26:46.000 You can call him a guido.

00:26:47.000 They're like, yeah, I'm a guido.

00:26:48.000 You can call him a greaseball.

00:26:49.000 No one cares. 0.96

00:26:50.000 Go back to your country. 1.00

00:26:52.000 No one's been there in fucking generations. 1.00

00:26:54.000 My wife is Italian, and all my in-laws, her whole family is Italian. 0.99

00:26:59.000 And it is like, when you have a dinner, it's just everyone yells.

00:27:02.000 Like everything's a yell like I'll literally hurt her my brother-in-law who I love great guy super smart But he will if he's agreeing with you in a conversation and you were like in the next room You would be like is they about to fight?

00:27:17.000 Brother-in-law?

00:27:18.000 What's going on in there?

00:27:19.000 No, he's just agreeing with what I'm saying, but he's screaming it at me, you know?

00:27:23.000 But it is a thing where they're very thick-skinned.

00:27:26.000 They're not like fragile people.

00:27:28.000 It's one of my favorite things about them.

00:27:30.000 Puerto Ricans are the same way.

00:27:32.000 Also, look at Puerto Rico.

00:27:33.000 Some of the best boxers of all time came out of Puerto Rico. 1.00

00:27:35.000 It's one fucking island. 0.99

00:27:36.000 You got Felix Trinidad, you got Gomez, Wilfredo Gomez. 0.99

00:27:39.000 You got incredible fighters came out of this one place. 0.99

00:27:42.000 You have a fucking tough population, man. 0.96

00:27:44.000 I mean, I'm sure there was a few people that were pissed off at that joke, but the reality is, this is one of the things that helped Tony, is that joke was based about Tony's concern for the environment. 0.99

00:27:54.000 Tony is obsessed with recycling. 0.98

00:27:56.000 He's like, you know, recycling's bullshit. 0.99

00:27:58.000 You know, it all goes in a landfill. 1.00

00:28:00.000 I'm going to put it in the blue bin.

00:28:02.000 It all goes in the landfill.

00:28:03.000 So Tony was obsessed with the Pacific Garbage Patch, and then he got obsessed with Puerto Rico because they don't have any room.

00:28:09.000 So their landfills are just overflowing with garbage.

00:28:13.000 They literally have a giant garbage problem.

00:28:15.000 So he came up with a joke based around that. 0.94

00:28:18.000 I think it's called Puerto Rico.

00:28:20.000 I was texting with him after it, and I thought it was so great.

00:28:26.000 I mean, I thought even the...

00:28:28.000 The bit that he did on Israel-Palestine was so funny.

00:28:32.000 He ripped both sides.

00:28:35.000 And then he did, by the way, same with the Puerto Rico thing.

00:28:37.000 There was an underlying really good point to it, which is always like the best comedy when you're just being funny.

00:28:42.000 But at the same time, you're like, oh, and he did kind of nail that, too.

00:28:46.000 Where he was just like, why are we funding wars that have been going on forever?

00:28:50.000 Like, figure it out, guys.

00:28:52.000 And then he just got a great rip on Muslims, a great rip on Jews.

00:28:55.000 Also, he's going on in the morning.

00:28:59.000 There's no opening act.

00:29:00.000 No one knows there's going to be comedy.

00:29:02.000 Yeah, the most difficult setup.

00:29:03.000 And there's no one on before him other than a prayer.

00:29:05.000 They do a prayer.

00:29:06.000 They were singing prayers and songs.

00:29:09.000 And then the music stops, and Tony goes on flat to a bunch of people in the middle of the day.

00:29:15.000 The lights are on bright.

00:29:16.000 It makes no sense.

00:29:17.000 It's the worst setup of all time for comedy.

00:29:21.000 I remember in real time when I was watching it, I was like, well, I mean, Tony's not going to be able to do Tony in this setup, so I wonder what he's going to do.

00:29:29.000 And then as it starts, you're like, oh, he's just going to do Tony.

00:29:32.000 Oh, that's crazy, dude.

00:29:34.000 It's the nuttiest thing.

00:29:36.000 Should have never done it.

00:29:36.000 But the fact that he did it, whatever.

00:29:39.000 It's like...

00:29:40.000 Listen, man, there's gonna be some people that tried to capitalize on that, and that was a big thing.

00:29:45.000 Like, AOC really mobilized.

00:29:46.000 Which is funny, because I'm almost certain that AOC's been to see Kill Tony.

00:29:52.000 Really?

00:29:53.000 Yes.

00:29:54.000 Huh.

00:29:54.000 Interesting.

00:29:55.000 Yeah, almost certain.

00:29:56.000 Almost certain.

00:29:57.000 Wait, here at the mother show?

00:29:58.000 I don't think so here.

00:29:59.000 But somewhere saw Kill Tony.

00:30:03.000 Man, she probably loves it.

00:30:04.000 They're all so funny.

00:30:05.000 I wonder who...

00:30:06.000 Let's call him up.

00:30:08.000 Alright, let's get to the bottom of it.

00:30:10.000 Wait, we have access?

00:30:11.000 Call Tony Hinchcliffe.

00:30:19.000 Hey dude, you're live on the air right now with Dave Smith.

00:30:23.000 I need a question answered.

00:30:25.000 Did AOC ever come to see Kill Tony?

00:30:29.000 She says that she did, but we're almost positive that she didn't.

00:30:32.000 I never met her in any of the shows in LA. I mean, she could have conceivably have bought a ticket to Madison Square Garden, but she never posted about it.

00:30:42.000 Well, she probably wouldn't post about it.

00:30:44.000 It's too sketchy.

00:30:45.000 Your show's sketchy.

00:30:46.000 But so how do you know that she says that she was there?

00:30:50.000 She tweeted that she's been to a taping.

00:30:54.000 When all that stuff went down, she said that she's disappointed I can't remember the exact tweet right now.

00:31:03.000 But it was the day of the Madison Square Garden Trump thing.

00:31:08.000 She posted, I'm really disappointed in Tony Hinchcliffe.

00:31:11.000 I'm a fan of Keltonian.

00:31:13.000 I've been to a taping.

00:31:14.000 Something like that.

00:31:15.000 I don't want to misquote her like she would certainly do to me.

00:31:21.000 But she's been there and she was surprised?

00:31:24.000 It makes no sense. 0.99

00:31:27.000 No, nothing these people fucking say make any sense. 1.00

00:31:31.000 They're out of their goddamn minds. 1.00

00:31:33.000 And now their voices are quieted, thank God. 1.00

00:31:37.000 Tony, America's back, baby.

00:31:40.000 America's back! 1.00

00:31:42.000 Let's fucking go. 1.00

00:31:43.000 Let's fucking go. 1.00

00:31:44.000 I gotta go, brother. 1.00

00:31:45.000 I love you.

00:31:45.000 Rock and roll.

00:31:46.000 Bye-bye.

00:31:50.000 Nobody who's ever been to kill Tony would be disappointed.

00:31:52.000 It didn't matter.

00:31:53.000 It was a political tool.

00:31:55.000 Of course.

00:31:55.000 It's like if you have a wrench, here's a bolt, I need to use the wrench.

00:31:59.000 That's what it was.

00:32:00.000 So AOC was telling people, send it out in all your group chats, let people know.

00:32:07.000 They're not the most sensitive people.

00:32:10.000 They're like resilient people. 0.99

00:32:12.000 People are going to get upset about a joke, but they're also going to understand it's just a fucking joke. 0.99

00:32:16.000 And then if someone does tell them, oh, Puerto Rico really does have a giant garbage problem, it's a giant problem. 0.99

00:32:23.000 Overflowing land.

00:32:24.000 You ever see it?

00:32:25.000 Yeah.

00:32:25.000 It's crazy.

00:32:26.000 Look at the images.

00:32:27.000 You're like, oh my God, you got to do something about this. 0.58

00:32:29.000 You can't cover your island in garbage. 0.98

00:32:31.000 This is nuts. 0.95

00:32:32.000 Yeah, it's...

00:32:33.000 Look, it's...

00:32:34.000 I just...

00:32:35.000 Like I was saying before, though, man, I just...

00:32:37.000 I do like...

00:32:38.000 I feel like if you zoom out...

00:32:40.000 Like, if you look at it closely, you would be like...

00:32:44.000 Like you said with the, um...

00:32:46.000 Sorry.

00:32:47.000 Oh, yeah.

00:32:47.000 Yeah, she said she's been to more than one.

00:32:48.000 She's been to shows!

00:32:49.000 Yeah.

00:32:50.000 Wow!

00:32:51.000 Before people try to act like this is some PC, overly sensitive nonsense, which is what it is.

00:32:55.000 I've been to Kill Tony shows.

00:32:56.000 I'm from the Bronx. 0.99

00:32:57.000 I don't give a shit about crude humor. 0.97

00:32:59.000 Then what are you doing? 0.99

00:33:01.000 Don't pretend that your support for Trump is a joke.

00:33:03.000 Own it.

00:33:04.000 You're doing a set to support him.

00:33:05.000 That's a choice.

00:33:06.000 Listen, you guys have a real problem with someone disagreeing with you.

00:33:10.000 And you want to, in any way, shape, or form that's possible, turn that person into a demon.

00:33:17.000 You never want to have someone who has an opposing perspective that should be considered or may be countered with better information, which is what we're all supposed to be doing.

00:33:27.000 Ideally, with people of good character and who go into arguments with good faith, you should be able to respectfully disagree and have conversations with things This is like everybody who thinks one way is bad.

00:33:39.000 Everybody who thinks this way is good.

00:33:41.000 We'll do whatever we can to destroy the people that are that way.

00:33:45.000 Obama. 0.78

00:33:46.000 There was a guy. 1.00

00:33:47.000 There was a guy at the Trump rally that said that Puerto Rico is a pile of garbage. 1.00

00:33:52.000 Those are human beings. 1.00

00:33:55.000 Hey, was that guy maybe telling a joke?

00:33:57.000 Yeah.

00:33:57.000 What do you think?

00:33:58.000 Do you know what jokes are?

00:33:59.000 You're my age.

00:33:59.000 You know what jokes are?

00:34:00.000 What are we doing?

00:34:01.000 Come on.

00:34:02.000 Come on, bro.

00:34:03.000 What are we doing?

00:34:04.000 We all grew up in the America of Howard Stern and The Simpsons and all this stuff.

00:34:09.000 It's not like jokes are foreign to any of us.

00:34:11.000 Yeah, we all forgot about Superbad.

00:34:14.000 We forget about Tropic Thunder.

00:34:16.000 Do we forget how those things work?

00:34:17.000 Right. 1.00

00:34:18.000 And her point is so stupid. 1.00

00:34:21.000 I mean, she's like, hey, you're a Trump supporter, own it. 1.00

00:34:24.000 It's like, yeah, he's speaking at a Trump event at Madison Square Garden.

00:34:28.000 There's nothing to do with the joke.

00:34:29.000 But I'm saying just the fact that he's there clearly already says, yeah, I'm supporting this guy.

00:34:34.000 And then he's a comedian, so he's like, I'm going to do what I do here with it.

00:34:38.000 Exactly.

00:34:39.000 If AOC wanted to come out and say something like, she'd go... 0.98

00:34:43.000 Listen, I'm actually a fan of Tony.

00:34:44.000 I really like the show Kill Tony.

00:34:46.000 She goes, I don't think it's appropriate at a political event to have an insult comic.

00:34:52.000 That'd be a reasonable thing to say.

00:34:54.000 Okay, fine.

00:34:55.000 I don't think it was appropriate.

00:34:56.000 Yes, but that's on the campaign.

00:34:58.000 That's on the campaign.

00:34:59.000 That's not on Tony.

00:35:01.000 You know what I mean?

00:35:01.000 But that's not what she's saying.

00:35:04.000 And again, it's like, you know, Look, to the point you were making before, right, about the Russia collusion hoax and no one getting in trouble for it, if you were to look at, say, the weapons of mass destruction lie that got us into war in Iraq,

00:35:19.000 killed a million people, cost trillions of dollars, and tens of thousands of our bravest young men blowing their brains out, you know, just an unmitigated disaster.

00:35:28.000 And none of the people who sold that lost their jobs or, you know, they're not, like, I don't know what they should be doing.

00:35:36.000 Maybe, like, picking up garbage by the side of the road, apologizing to every car that passes them.

00:35:40.000 I don't know.

00:35:40.000 Let's pause for a second and compare.

00:35:42.000 There's people that said that there was weapons of mass destruction.

00:35:45.000 They willfully created this story.

00:35:48.000 It's a fake story.

00:35:50.000 100%.

00:35:50.000 No one got in trouble.

00:35:51.000 Trump paid off some lady. 1.00

00:35:53.000 He says he fucked her. 1.00

00:35:54.000 Yep. 1.00

00:35:55.000 And made a book-kicking error.

00:35:56.000 So he got hit with 34 felonies.

00:35:59.000 Yep.

00:35:59.000 Now, if you want to just be that person that says he's a convicted felon and just repeat it over and over again, understand that now you're changing what the law means because you don't like a guy, and that can be used on you.

00:36:12.000 This is what happens in dictatorships.

00:36:15.000 This is what happens when communism takes over a country and you get a military dictatorship.

00:36:20.000 They just throw the laws at you.

00:36:22.000 And they're doing it right in front of your face, and you're okay repeating it.

00:36:28.000 He's a convicted felon.

00:36:30.000 He's a convicted felon.

00:36:32.000 He's a convicted felon for 34 misdemeanors, which are all the same thing.

00:36:36.000 Which weren't really felonies.

00:36:37.000 Which weren't felonies and were passed the statute of limitations.

00:36:41.000 So how much do you hate freedom?

00:36:43.000 Yeah, it's not...

00:36:44.000 Listen, none of the Trump legal charges were an example where...

00:36:51.000 Look, the former president of the United States of America clearly broke the law.

00:36:57.000 And we don't want to politicize, you know, the legal system here, but it's so obvious he broke the law that we have to prosecute him.

00:37:03.000 It was, we're coming up with a novel legal theory that we've never prosecuted anyone under before.

00:37:09.000 And if you interpret it this way, then we could interpret this misdemeanor that's passed the statute of limitations as a felony.

00:37:17.000 So...

00:37:17.000 Now, how does this not freak out liberals who are obsessed with criminal reform?

00:37:23.000 Because that's not their side of the issue.

00:37:25.000 Do you know how many that is?

00:37:25.000 Just think about how many that is.

00:37:27.000 One of the best things that I do on this show is when I have Josh Dubin on, who used to work with the Innocence Project and now does things on his own, where they're trying to find people that have been unfairly prosecuted by bad judges and by bad prosecutors and get them out of fucking jail.

00:37:42.000 Oh, can I just say real quick, dude, because if I don't, I want to make sure I say this while we're here, but to President-elect Donald Trump, dude, he came to the Libertarian Party convention this year, and he promised us, and a whole bunch of people, myself included,

00:37:58.000 like supported him for this, and he did carry, I think, the Libertarian vote.

00:38:03.000 And he promised us he was going to free Ross Ulbricht on day one.

00:38:07.000 And like, if you're listening, Mr. President, if this gets to you, please, please come through on that promise, man.

00:38:12.000 This kid has done over a decade in jail already.

00:38:15.000 He was guilty of creating a website.

00:38:18.000 You know, it was like a dark...

00:38:21.000 Web type thing, and I guess some people sold drugs on it and stuff, but he's done 10 years, over 10 years.

00:38:28.000 Yeah, have you ever seen the documentary on that?

00:38:30.000 Yeah.

00:38:30.000 It's interesting.

00:38:31.000 I know his mom.

00:38:32.000 It seems like he was railroaded.

00:38:34.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:38:35.000 Yeah, it seems like they came up with some sort of a phony murder for hire charge.

00:38:40.000 So they accused him of that, but then they withdrew that charge.

00:38:43.000 He was never convicted of that.

00:38:45.000 He got life without parole for making a website.

00:38:49.000 And I've gotten to know his mother, Lynn, over the years, and she's like the sweetest lady, and she's just in the middle of this nightmare.

00:38:56.000 Like her whole life has been a nightmare for the last 11 years or whatever it's been.

00:39:00.000 I really just please come through on that one.

00:39:03.000 There's no political capital even to be spent on it.

00:39:05.000 It's one of the best things he did when he was president last year.

00:39:08.000 Last time was, you know, freeing people who were just in jail on BS and way over prosecuted.

00:39:13.000 And he said he was going to do it on day one.

00:39:15.000 And I'm just saying we a lot of people supported him for that.

00:39:19.000 I really hope he comes through.

00:39:20.000 That would be amazing.

00:39:21.000 Well, we're going to know a lot about what he's going to do, whether he comes through or not.

00:39:25.000 That'll tell us a lot.

00:39:26.000 If he comes through, I think a lot of people will be able to hear, wouldn't you love to see him on a podcast?

00:39:31.000 Wouldn't you love to talk to him on a podcast?

00:39:32.000 Love to, yeah.

00:39:33.000 And ask him questions about what actually happened.

00:39:35.000 Yeah.

00:39:36.000 Look, now that we know, what we know now, like the FBI... Did this whole internal thing with him and they used people and agents to trap him.

00:39:46.000 But now what we know about what they did with the kidnapping case for Gretchen Whitmer, we didn't know that before.

00:39:52.000 We didn't know that you could have a kidnapping case where there's 14 people and 12 of them are FBI informants.

00:39:58.000 So you got 12 people working with the FBI, two retards. 1.00

00:40:02.000 You convince these dumbasses that they should go and kidnap the fucking governor, and they're like cosplayin'. 1.00

00:40:08.000 These guys are idiots. 1.00

00:40:09.000 They might have been playing fucking game of Dungeons and Dragons in the woods. 1.00

00:40:14.000 They're idiots. 1.00

00:40:15.000 They're gullible people. 1.00

00:40:17.000 There's an old saying, it goes something like, the FBI always gets their man because it's always their man.

00:40:23.000 Yeah.

00:40:24.000 There's a lot of that.

00:40:25.000 There's been dozens and dozens of these FBI, what they call, sting operations, which are really entrapment since 9-11, where they get, oh, we thwarted another terrorist attack.

00:40:36.000 But no, they didn't thwart a terrorist attack.

00:40:38.000 They planned a terrorist attack and then thwarted it.

00:40:41.000 It was never going to happen.

00:40:42.000 By the way, a little note on that.

00:40:44.000 Every single time, I always find this fascinating.

00:40:46.000 Every time the FBI wants to do one of these terrorist entrapment things, which again, they've done dozens and dozens of since 9-11, every time when they approach young Muslim guys who are on radical websites or something like that, every time, they never go up there and they say,

00:41:02.000 hey, how do you feel about America being free and prosperous?

00:41:06.000 Or how do you feel about the fact that we don't have Sharia law here or anything?

00:41:09.000 They never do that.

00:41:10.000 They always go, how do you feel about American foreign policy?

00:41:13.000 Look at all these innocent Muslims that we're killing over there in that part of the world. 0.99

00:41:16.000 Doesn't that make you angry?

00:41:18.000 Doesn't that make you want to do something about it?

00:41:19.000 You see, like when the FBI wants to do entrapment, all of a sudden they know what motivates terrorism. 0.98

00:41:24.000 They're not like, oh, you hate us for our freedom or the dumb shit that they say to the American public. 0.99

00:41:29.000 They know exactly how to entrap these people. 1.00

00:41:31.000 They go, how do you feel about all these Palestinian babies getting killed right now?

00:41:35.000 You know, that's America's money and weapons that are doing it.

00:41:38.000 And that's how they get them.

00:41:39.000 But it's all...

00:41:40.000 You look at the first World Trade Center attack.

00:41:44.000 It was all just the FBI screwed it up.

00:41:46.000 They were following it the whole time.

00:41:47.000 And then they screwed it up.

00:41:49.000 And they almost took down the towers.

00:41:51.000 And if we got to hear Albrook's story, I bet it'd be wildly different than the narrative that we heard in the courtroom or it was in the documentary.

00:42:00.000 I bet it's wildly different.

00:42:01.000 And I wouldn't be surprised if he got railroaded.

00:42:04.000 Just we know too much now.

00:42:06.000 We know about that case.

00:42:07.000 There's multiple different cases.

00:42:09.000 There's the Dallas case where they got that kid to blow up a building.

00:42:13.000 They gave him a fake bomb and a cell phone and he activated.

00:42:16.000 They radicalized that kid. 1.00

00:42:18.000 He was just a dumb, low IQ kid that's, you know, 19, fucking gullible. 1.00

00:42:23.000 And they talked him into joining and here's what we're going to do. 1.00

00:42:26.000 And then they say they're preventing crime.

00:42:28.000 Like, you're actually making it.

00:42:29.000 You're making it and then stopping it. 0.98

00:42:30.000 And that's fucking wrong. 0.99

00:42:32.000 You're cheating. 0.99

00:42:33.000 You're rigging the pinball game, man.

00:42:36.000 And we know that now.

00:42:38.000 So it would be really interesting to hear his story. 0.99

00:42:41.000 Yeah, 10 years is fucking plenty. 0.98

00:42:42.000 Too much. 0.99

00:42:43.000 Way too much.

00:42:44.000 You can never give that back to him, but just let him go free.

00:42:48.000 And it's also just such a situation where you just...

00:42:51.000 And obviously, I know his mother, so I'm kind of personally invested in him.

00:42:56.000 But it's like, this kid is no threat.

00:42:59.000 It's that nobody thinks, like, oh, if we let him out, you know, he's some type of violent criminal who might do another violent thing or something like that.

00:43:06.000 Like, that's just not gonna happen.

00:43:07.000 You could just end the nightmare that this sweet woman is going through, and him, of course, too.

00:43:13.000 Okay, so we both agree on this, but let me ask you, okay, what about Snowden? 0.95

00:43:17.000 Do you think he has the balls to pardon Snowden?

00:43:19.000 Well, okay, so the thing about Snowden, right, is that, and now the Julian Assange case has kind of been taken off the table, even though I guess technically he could still pardon him, but that takes real political capital. 0.91

00:43:32.000 Now, I think he should pardon Snowden.

00:43:34.000 How so?

00:43:35.000 Well, I'm just saying that, like, Snowden pissed off a lot of very powerful people.

00:43:39.000 The NSA are furious about him.

00:43:41.000 The CIA, they don't like him. 0.91

00:43:42.000 And they do not want to set the precedent that you can release the fact that we're doing a bunch of illegal shit that we are lying to the American people about, and then you can go tell them that we are, in fact, doing the thing that we lied and said we weren't doing. 0.88

00:43:54.000 They don't like that.

00:43:55.000 There's going to be powerful forces that will oppose you.

00:43:57.000 Ross Ulbricht doesn't- it's not like that.

00:44:00.000 No, no, no, I completely understand.

00:44:01.000 Now, if he were to pardon Snowden, that would be a real signal that he is willing to take on the deep state.

00:44:09.000 He's willing to take on the real powerful entrenched interests.

00:44:12.000 Now, again, I'm not claiming to- it's obviously the right thing to do, morally speaking, but I'm- You got to have a really smart strategy if you're actually going to do this.

00:44:24.000 You know, I remember one time during the Ron Paul presidential campaign, I think it was in 2012, and someone asked him, you know, like a question about like, when you're in there and you're president, are you going to tell the CIA like, hey, you, you guys are done and you're this and you're this?

00:44:38.000 And he went, well, I might say it a little bit nicer than that.

00:44:44.000 I am trying to abolish the CIA, but let's be cool here.

00:44:47.000 Let's look at this for what it is.

00:44:50.000 So if Edward Snowden, if he really did expose things that were illegal, that were not supposed to be done, and the fear of bringing him back is that the people that did the illegal things want to continue doing illegal things and don't want to have any repercussions for doing illegal things.

00:45:07.000 That seems like a crazy thing to support, even for them to defend it.

00:45:10.000 Sounds insane.

00:45:12.000 They should want internal accountability.

00:45:14.000 They should want to make sure that no one colors outside the lines, no one does anything without congressional approval, all the stuff you're supposed to do when you're doing certain things.

00:45:22.000 But the problem is now with the FDA and FISA and all these different laws that have been passed that allow surveillance to be done warrantless.

00:45:33.000 It's kind of a moot point, almost, at this point.

00:45:40.000 Back then, he exposed that they could listen to every call, they have data centers.

00:45:45.000 We all know that now.

00:45:48.000 Everything's still functioning, but we all know that now.

00:45:51.000 The guy that exposed all that, leave him alone. 0.94

00:45:54.000 You guys were, you're doing illegal shit and now it's kind of legal and we still should be outraged, but now you can kind of just do it? 0.98

00:46:00.000 Yeah. 0.95

00:46:01.000 Well, and also, and one of the things that was so disappointing about Trump not pardoning Julian Assange and Snowden in his first term, and again, a lot of that is because It's like when he told you, why didn't he release the JFK files?

00:46:16.000 Well, because he was listening to Liz Cheney's pick for defense secretary, Mike Pompeo.

00:46:21.000 And people convinced him not to do it.

00:46:23.000 But it's like, at a certain point, you're like, okay, first of all, The spying that Snowden exposed was weaponized against you.

00:46:32.000 They spied on you.

00:46:34.000 So I would think you have some stake in being like, yeah, that should be exposed and should be abolished.

00:46:41.000 But don't you think he didn't pardon him because he wanted a second term?

00:46:44.000 And he wanted to make things run as smoothly as possibly?

00:46:50.000 They're compromising.

00:46:51.000 They're making deals here.

00:46:52.000 Yes, but he also had a lame duck period.

00:46:54.000 I mean, he had a period where he knew he wasn't gonna have a second term and still had the power, but he was worried about the impeachment.

00:47:00.000 And he wanted to run again.

00:47:01.000 Yes.

00:47:02.000 He always wanted to run again.

00:47:03.000 He was gonna run again.

00:47:04.000 I think so, yes. 1.00

00:47:05.000 He was like, fuck you, I'm running again. 1.00

00:47:06.000 Yes, so there's a fair point to that. 1.00

00:47:08.000 Maybe now Donald Trump gets in, and I do think this is what the corporate media and all of them are really terrified about.

00:47:14.000 Is that now he gets in and he doesn't need to win another election.

00:47:17.000 I mean, he'd like to win a midterm election and keep the...

00:47:20.000 I mean, he's got the Senate now.

00:47:22.000 We'll see.

00:47:22.000 The House hasn't been determined yet.

00:47:23.000 But he'd like to keep congressional control within the Republican Party.

00:47:27.000 But he doesn't need to worry about a re-election now.

00:47:30.000 If he really wanted to be the drain-the-swamp guy, he's got an opportunity now where I just...

00:47:38.000 A lot of things have aligned, where it's like, I think he could really get it done, and I think he could get away with that.

00:47:44.000 I think that he's kind of...

00:47:47.000 He's taken all their bullets, both literally and metaphorically.

00:47:52.000 You know?

00:47:53.000 He's been impeached.

00:47:54.000 He's been convicted of felonies.

00:47:57.000 He's been shot at.

00:47:58.000 Like, all the things have already happened.

00:48:00.000 He's been demonized in a way that no public figure has been demonized in any of our lifetimes.

00:48:06.000 And it's only made him more popular.

00:48:08.000 Yes, he's stronger.

00:48:09.000 He's stronger than he's ever been.

00:48:11.000 What do you think about that thing I sent you today that compares the number of people that voted in 2020 versus the number of people that voted in 2024 and in 2016?

00:48:21.000 Sure does look strange.

00:48:22.000 And in 2012. Have you seen it, Jamie?

00:48:26.000 It's crazy.

00:48:27.000 I would say- I could send it to you if you want to see the exact chart.

00:48:30.000 That is a fair point.

00:48:32.000 There are still votes out there.

00:48:33.000 I'd like to take a look at that again after 100% of everybody has been reported, but it does certainly seem weird.

00:48:40.000 Let's not get technical and let's just enjoy it.

00:48:45.000 I'm going to send you this, Jay, because it's so bizarre that I can't really believe it's real.

00:48:50.000 When did I send it to you?

00:48:51.000 Earlier today?

00:48:52.000 Hang on a second.

00:48:52.000 I'll find it.

00:48:53.000 It's so crazy.

00:48:55.000 You look at it and you go, is this real?

00:48:57.000 Oh, here it is.

00:48:59.000 Because it doesn't seem to make any sense because this is like one of the most consequential elections ever.

00:49:05.000 I think everybody's pretty aware of that and everybody is very dug in on their side.

00:49:10.000 The left, he's Hitler. 0.94

00:49:11.000 The right, he's saving us.

00:49:13.000 And so more people voted, at least the indication would be as much people voted in 2020, if not more, probably more people voted.

00:49:22.000 But let's look at the numbers.

00:49:24.000 Look at the difference in how many people voted for Biden in 2020. It's unprecedented.

00:49:32.000 It's way higher than any other time since 2012, and I'm sure probably before that there was less people back then, right?

00:49:40.000 So if you go back to when I was a kid, there was only like 200 million people in this country.

00:49:44.000 Yeah, and to be clear, 2012 and 2016 were not low turnout years.

00:49:49.000 No, no.

00:49:49.000 They're all consistent.

00:49:50.000 This is what's crazy.

00:49:51.000 They're consistent.

00:49:52.000 Look, they're all like 60. Look at where the number is.

00:49:55.000 It's all like 65 million.

00:49:57.000 Is that what it says? 0.98

00:49:58.000 So that's all the same every fucking time except 2020. In 2020, it goes way the fuck up. 0.99

00:50:08.000 Look at it.

00:50:09.000 It's like 80 what?

00:50:10.000 Is it 82?

00:50:11.000 Is that what it was?

00:50:12.000 It's like 81 and change.

00:50:14.000 81. So it goes up a fucking sizable chunk and only once. 0.81

00:50:20.000 And it does seem like even with getting all the other votes in, you're not going to get to that. 0.95

00:50:25.000 But it's also like, look how many votes Trump got.

00:50:27.000 He got even more in 2020 than he did in 2024. Like, what the hell is that about?

00:50:34.000 Is that because they haven't counted all the votes yet when they made this?

00:50:36.000 Or is that the reality of the numbers?

00:50:40.000 Because that doesn't make sense either.

00:50:42.000 Yeah.

00:50:43.000 And, you know, I just say, you know how in, like, the corporate media world, it's like this is the biggest crime ever to even ask this question?

00:50:52.000 But you kind of can't blame us for asking it when everything you say is a lie.

00:50:56.000 The ballots that came in the middle of the night are weird.

00:50:59.000 And the fact that you had mail-in ballots, that's weird.

00:51:01.000 Because the thing about mail-in ballots is different than anything else.

00:51:04.000 It's not a chain of custody, all right?

00:51:06.000 There's a guy who drops it off and then the postman gets it. 0.98

00:51:08.000 And who knows what the fuck that guy does? 0.98

00:51:10.000 They used to be going postal. 0.99

00:51:12.000 Postmen used to be scary because they shoot a bunch of people.

00:51:15.000 I remember, yeah.

00:51:15.000 I don't know how they fixed that.

00:51:17.000 Yeah, they did stop. 0.89

00:51:18.000 Yeah, there was a time they were like fucking separating things by zip codes and like, enough! 0.97

00:51:23.000 And they were just killing everybody in their office. 0.94

00:51:26.000 You remember the old Seinfeld bit on the show?

00:51:30.000 No.

00:51:30.000 He asked Newman's a postman, and he's like, why do you guys always go crazy and just kill people?

00:51:35.000 And he's like, because the mail never stops.

00:51:37.000 It's so funny.

00:51:40.000 It keeps coming.

00:51:41.000 Yeah, that was always my suspicion.

00:51:42.000 It's just like a mundane job. 0.99

00:51:44.000 And you're working with these people you don't like, and then one day you're like, I'm going to fucking kill everybody. 0.98

00:51:48.000 But there was a bunch of those guys who, it became a term. 0.97

00:51:51.000 There was a video game called Postal.

00:51:53.000 In the video game, you just ran around shooting people.

00:51:56.000 Yeah, it was a crazy game.

00:51:57.000 Yeah, that was a better time.

00:51:59.000 But this was like the 90s that all this was going on, and something happened, and they stopped fixing.

00:52:05.000 So my point is, who knows what that post guy's doing?

00:52:08.000 Like, you could just throw some stuff in the garbage. 0.98

00:52:11.000 If you know you're in a Republican county, throw some stuff in the garbage. 0.93

00:52:15.000 If somebody...

00:52:17.000 If you're a cab driver from some other country and you're over in America and someone says, I'm going to give you a bag of ballots, I'm going to put them in your trunk and you're going to go take them to this place.

00:52:26.000 You're like, okay.

00:52:28.000 You're going to give me $500?

00:52:29.000 Okay, I'll drop off these ballots.

00:52:31.000 When you're doing low-level scams in small counties where you have corrupt people that are working the voting machines, how many Republicans are paying attention?

00:52:42.000 Democrats are paying attention to the corrupt Republicans.

00:52:44.000 There's always been election fraud.

00:52:48.000 To pretend that we lie about the very fine people, he said there were very fine people on both sides, Obama's lying about that in front of the whole world.

00:52:56.000 They lie about everything.

00:52:57.000 You don't think they would cheat?

00:53:00.000 Well, that's right, exactly.

00:53:01.000 If every word that comes out of your mouth is a lie, that you can't tell me that I'm not allowed to suspect.

00:53:07.000 And also, you know, It's like if what Rachel Maddow says is real, right?

00:53:13.000 Like if you're telling me your worldview is essentially that Adolf Hitler is running for president, it looks like it's a coin flip if he's going to win. 0.79

00:53:21.000 That's what they were telling us, that it was 50-50.

00:53:24.000 Turns out it wasn't.

00:53:25.000 But Adolf Hitler's running. 0.64

00:53:26.000 This is the end of democracy.

00:53:27.000 It's on the ballot.

00:53:28.000 We'll never have elections again if this guy wins.

00:53:30.000 So if that's true, then why wouldn't somebody who's got a bunch of ballots for him cheat?

00:53:36.000 I would do that.

00:53:37.000 If Adolf Hitler was about to win, I'd cheat to make sure he won. 1.00

00:53:41.000 If Adolf Hitler's about to win, you should do anything you can. 0.99

00:53:44.000 So you're gonna tell me on one hand, Adolf Hitler's about to take over America, and on the other hand, but no one would ever cheat? 0.52

00:53:50.000 You would never break the rules to stop Hitler? 0.98

00:53:53.000 The dumb American pop conversation is, would you murder a baby if that baby was Adolf Hitler? 0.99

00:54:01.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:54:01.000 That's the pop question that people ask about Adolf Hitler. 1.00

00:54:05.000 And I think the implied correct answer is yes. 0.99

00:54:09.000 You're supposed to say, I would murder baby Hitler. 0.99

00:54:12.000 I'd wait until he's 17. Yeah, probably. 1.00

00:54:14.000 Feel a little bit better about yourself. 1.00

00:54:15.000 By the time he's 17, I'd know he's a piece of shit. 1.00

00:54:18.000 And you could run a real good experiment on like nurture versus nature, like raise them loving, be nice. 1.00

00:54:22.000 Give them some mushrooms.

00:54:23.000 Yeah, there you go. 1.00

00:54:24.000 Fix that little fucker. 1.00

00:54:25.000 But anyway, but you're saying someone wouldn't – it's also – it's like it's not even just that they're liars who are in the business of propaganda. 0.99

00:54:33.000 It's that it's incoherent propaganda.

00:54:35.000 Your propaganda doesn't even make sense.

00:54:37.000 Like if propaganda point A is true, then propaganda point B is impossible to be true.

00:54:43.000 Right.

00:54:44.000 And one of the things that I'm so happy that Trump won about, you know, is that she just needed to lose.

00:54:52.000 Like, there's a certain line that they crossed that you're like, we need to be in a country where that doesn't work.

00:55:01.000 That can't work.

00:55:02.000 It's just too far.

00:55:03.000 Here's one of the most important precedents.

00:55:04.000 You can't have someone that's running that didn't go through a primary.

00:55:07.000 You have to at least go through and respect the process of allowing us to pick who our representative is.

00:55:12.000 No one would have picked her.

00:55:14.000 When she was trying to run for president, Tulsi Gabbard nuked her out of orbit, and that was it for her. 1.00

00:55:19.000 She dropped off a cliff and that was done, and that's how it should have been.

00:55:22.000 Joe Biden picked her as his vice president.

00:55:24.000 Get away from that.

00:55:26.000 You should always have a primary.

00:55:28.000 Like, if you really believe in the democratic process and if you really believe in the democratic party, you should want the best representative of your party as voted for by the population.

00:55:40.000 100%.

00:55:40.000 You can't have someone bypass that because you have a complete puppet.

00:55:45.000 100%.

00:55:46.000 And then in addition to that, just think about how crazy this is.

00:55:49.000 You're going to bypass the democratic process and then you're running on democracy is on the ballot.

00:55:56.000 Right.

00:55:56.000 This is just too much.

00:55:58.000 Amazing.

00:55:58.000 It's too much.

00:55:59.000 You want to punch yourself in the face? 0.99

00:56:00.000 You can't do that to me. 1.00

00:56:02.000 You can't say that.

00:56:04.000 Well, they've been so used to doing it before.

00:56:06.000 They had full, complete control of the narrative because they owned the media.

00:56:10.000 And they owned the media for so long.

00:56:13.000 They had the run of the roost for so long that they got cocky.

00:56:17.000 And they didn't pay attention to the game as it was evolving.

00:56:21.000 They're like a UFC 1 fighter that takes time out of the gym, then steps into 2024 and tries to compete against guys of today.

00:56:29.000 Like, you miss the game.

00:56:31.000 The game is way past where you were. 0.80

00:56:33.000 And you guys are still doing goofy shit, like taking people out of context and not knowing that people are going to make YouTube clips showing what he actually said versus you.

00:56:41.000 And it's going to undermine your credibility even more. 0.98

00:56:44.000 Obama was my favorite president.

00:56:46.000 He was the best spokesman, other than Clinton, of all time. 0.98

00:56:50.000 Now I think he's a liar.

00:56:51.000 I look at that thing of him saying, he said there's very fine people on both sides. 0.68

00:56:55.000 That's not what he said.

00:56:57.000 He said, I'm not talking about the KKK and white supremacists. 0.97

00:57:02.000 They should be condemned. 0.97

00:57:03.000 It was so clear.

00:57:05.000 He made it totally clear.

00:57:05.000 And what he was saying was that there were very fine people on both sides of the arguments about tearing statues down.

00:57:13.000 Yeah.

00:57:13.000 Like he was saying, look, it's reasonable that there are some people who are like, no, this is our history.

00:57:17.000 We want to keep it up.

00:57:18.000 And then there's other people who are like, this represents slavery or something like that.

00:57:21.000 We want to take it down.

00:57:22.000 And then, first of all, it was clear when he said it that that's what he meant.

00:57:25.000 And then they ask him a follow-up question.

00:57:27.000 Are you saying the white supremacists are very fine pieces?

00:57:30.000 He goes, no.

00:57:31.000 How many times do I need to say that?

00:57:33.000 Yes.

00:57:33.000 No, I am not saying that any of the white supremacy—and like, that's not enough.

00:57:38.000 And then there was a sneaky thing that they used to do.

00:57:40.000 They would ask him, will you disavow white supremacy?

00:57:43.000 Will you disavow white supremacy?

00:57:44.000 Like, what are you—first of all, that's like saying to someone, like, will you— Anything, any crime that you would never do, like, will you disavow murder?

00:57:56.000 Like, of course I'll disavow murder.

00:57:57.000 Oh, well, all of a sudden you're implicated at something where you have to disavow murder.

00:58:01.000 Like, you're connected somehow or another to murder now.

00:58:03.000 Dave Smith, under any circumstances, do you disavow murder?

00:58:06.000 You're like...

00:58:07.000 I'm not murdering anybody! 1.00

00:58:08.000 What the fuck are you saying? 1.00

00:58:09.000 And after he had done it, like, maybe a hundred times, no exaggeration, they'd go, now you still haven't disavowed white supremacy. 1.00

00:58:17.000 And he'd be like, no, I have!

00:58:18.000 Over and over again.

00:58:19.000 But to your point, which I think is a really good one, and I think I love the analogy for people who are MMA fans, it really is like, it's like someone coming into MMA in 2024 and being like, I'm a jiu-jitsu specialist, I've never trained wrestling or striking.

00:58:34.000 And you're like, Okay, that's not going to work anymore.

00:58:37.000 I know that worked in 1993, but that's not going to work.

00:58:40.000 They have not adapted to the new world that we're living in now.

00:58:45.000 And you saw there was a lot of evidence of this.

00:58:50.000 These things that used to work now come with a heavy price.

00:58:54.000 So one of the things that...

00:58:57.000 Politicians used to do in general was that they would give the same stump speech everywhere they go.

00:59:02.000 Message discipline is what it's called.

00:59:03.000 You always stay on message.

00:59:06.000 And this is the idea is that you're never going to get your message out there unless you say the same thing over and over again to everyone.

00:59:12.000 But now...

00:59:14.000 We have the internet.

00:59:15.000 And you have these compilations of Kamala Harris saying she's from a middle class family like 75 times in a row. 0.99

00:59:23.000 And you just look like a psychopath. 0.97

00:59:25.000 You're like, oh, what are you? 0.98

00:59:26.000 So now there's like a cost to playing the game in the old way.

00:59:29.000 But they don't adjust.

00:59:31.000 And Trump, whether even intentionally or not, was always just kind of like, oh, well, I just speak off the cuff.

00:59:38.000 So I don't do that.

00:59:40.000 I mean, he's got themes that he hits a lot, like all of us kind of do, but he doesn't do that.

00:59:46.000 And he did, and Donald Trump, one of the brilliant things, and man, I mean, I can't believe I haven't just asked you this already about this, but One of the really brilliant things that Donald Trump did, which obviously, look, RFK did it, and Vivek Ramaswamy, I think both, like, they recognize, like, look, we're in a new landscape here.

01:00:02.000 And there are these shows on the internet that have much bigger audiences than these traditional shows.

01:00:07.000 Oh, and by the way, I get to go long, and I can really give an in-depth, you know, like, point on every single topic.

01:00:15.000 And, dude, I mean, Trump coming on here and her refusing to, this is...

01:00:22.000 Dude, you kind of put Donald Trump in the White House.

01:00:25.000 This is amazing.

01:00:27.000 Settle down.

01:00:28.000 People are listening.

01:00:29.000 Everyone's thinking it.

01:00:30.000 Well, for sure, him getting to be himself and just have a conversation with someone who's not being hostile.

01:00:36.000 Yeah.

01:00:37.000 And I did ask him questions that I wanted answers to, like this proof that he lost in 2020. He did not provide me with that.

01:00:43.000 And I've said, and we talked about it in depth yesterday, that if I was accused of election denying, which election denial, it's like...

01:00:54.000 There's Holocaust deniers, number one, and then there's maybe a vaccine denier and election denier.

01:01:04.000 Election denier is probably a little higher than vaccine denier.

01:01:06.000 You could be a kook and a vaccine denier but still believe that Donald Trump lost the election.

01:01:09.000 But election denier, you're cast out of the kingdom.

01:01:12.000 There's a couple other ones that go underneath that, but those are the big ones.

01:01:15.000 Those are the big ones.

01:01:16.000 And you get put into a box, like, instantaneously.

01:01:19.000 If I was put in that box, I would have responses to every question.

01:01:23.000 I would say, well, in Georgia, there was ba-ba-ba-ba-ba ballots that were ba-ba-ba. 0.88

01:01:26.000 These people were dead.

01:01:29.000 These people, they should have never been voting in the first place.

01:01:31.000 They were not United States citizens.

01:01:33.000 I would have all the information ready to fire.

01:01:36.000 And he didn't.

01:01:37.000 He was like, there's books!

01:01:38.000 I tell you that...

01:01:39.000 I have the suspicion that he's...

01:01:44.000 Way busier than me, and I can barely pay attention to things.

01:01:47.000 Sometimes I agree to do things.

01:01:48.000 My wife tells me we're gonna do something.

01:01:49.000 What are we talking about?

01:01:51.000 She goes, you said yes to it.

01:01:52.000 Yes, I did.

01:01:52.000 When?

01:01:53.000 You were making coffee.

01:01:54.000 I wasn't paying attention. 1.00

01:01:55.000 I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. 0.99

01:01:57.000 Where are we going? 0.99

01:01:58.000 You know, but that's just normal life stuff, right? 1.00

01:02:01.000 This guy is literally running for fucking president. 0.99

01:02:03.000 He's got what? 1.00

01:02:04.000 All these golf courses everywhere and businesses everywhere and Mar-a-Lago and fucking family. 0.99

01:02:09.000 There's millions of things. 0.99

01:02:11.000 So probably they told him the election was stolen.

01:02:14.000 He told me, find the results.

01:02:16.000 Find it.

01:02:17.000 Let's get it overturned. 1.00

01:02:18.000 These fucking criminals. 1.00

01:02:19.000 I don't know how much we really looked into it. 1.00

01:02:22.000 I don't know.

01:02:22.000 I don't know how much he studied it.

01:02:25.000 He didn't really have an answer for you.

01:02:26.000 I would want you to regurgitate it fact by fact.

01:02:29.000 And I think Vivek could do that.

01:02:30.000 If you ask Vivek a question about that, if you ask J.D. Vance a question about that, I bet if they were accused, they would be able to rattle off all those numbers and statistics.

01:02:40.000 I think that Vivek probably wouldn't make the claim exactly in the same way that Donald Trump is.

01:02:46.000 No, I'm saying if he was accused.

01:02:46.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure.

01:02:47.000 If he was accused.

01:02:48.000 Well, yeah, no, Vivek isn't going to say anything without having a detailed answer to it.

01:02:52.000 That's not Trump.

01:02:54.000 Nor is JD. Yes.

01:02:55.000 Listen, Trump is different than Vivek and JD. He's a different type of animal. 0.55

01:03:00.000 There was so much evidence!

01:03:01.000 Well, the thing is, one of the things that was really interesting, and that was one of the most interesting moments of your show with him, was that you weren't asking it the way CNN would ask it.

01:03:13.000 You weren't badgering him.

01:03:15.000 After having a very honest, good faith conversation for a while, you were asking in good faith, like, what's the evidence?

01:03:22.000 Look, I think the truth is that his lawyers made a lot of outlandish claims, none of which they could prove in court.

01:03:29.000 Um, essentially what he has in terms of the argument, I think is kind of what we have, what we just looked at.

01:03:36.000 We're like, sure does look strange.

01:03:38.000 Sure does seem weird to me that 80 million plus people voted for Joe Biden and the regime was so working against him in every other way.

01:03:47.000 Like, you know, Glenn Greenwald, who's, you know, I think just one of the absolute, like, most brilliant people out there.

01:03:53.000 I agree.

01:03:54.000 His work is incredible.

01:03:54.000 I love that guy.

01:03:55.000 I love the way he put it.

01:03:56.000 I thought it was perfect.

01:03:57.000 Where he goes, he's like, like, I don't really have any evidence that they stole the election from him, but they clearly rigged the thing against him.

01:04:06.000 And then just kind of goes through, like, all the censorship, the Hunter Biden story, the media.

01:04:10.000 And so in that environment, it's very easy...

01:04:15.000 You know, the analogy that I use, I think I may have said this before to you, but it's almost like if there's a guy who's like cheating on his wife all the time, and then one day she's like, last Friday you didn't answer your phone when you were out, I know you were cheating on me.

01:04:29.000 And she's wrong, he wasn't cheating that Friday.

01:04:32.000 She's kind of right, even though she's wrong.

01:04:33.000 You know what I mean?

01:04:34.000 She might get the detail wrong, but her overall suspicion is, in fact, correct.

01:04:39.000 I think there was a lot of that with Trump supporters, where it's just like, listen, man, you framed him for treason for three years of his presidency, then you shut down the economy, and that was totally Partially, at least, to ruin his economy for his re-election year.

01:04:54.000 Then you were totally supporting the riots that were destroying.

01:04:57.000 You were just causing chaos.

01:04:59.000 Then you overhauled the way we do votes and you killed his big October surprise story by censoring it off all the social media sites.

01:05:07.000 And now you're telling me the most unimpressive senator in the history of America, Joe Biden, got 80-plus million votes.

01:05:14.000 He got more votes than Obama in 2008. Really?

01:05:18.000 Like, this just smell.

01:05:19.000 But that is not something you can take to court.

01:05:22.000 Right.

01:05:22.000 That's not something you can say definitively as a fact and defame people and slander people.

01:05:27.000 Right. 0.98

01:05:27.000 And that's where Giuliani's fucked, right? 0.98

01:05:30.000 Giuliani got hit with a huge lawsuit. 0.96

01:05:33.000 How much was it?

01:05:34.000 Like $150 million?

01:05:35.000 I don't remember.

01:05:35.000 It was a lot.

01:05:36.000 But, yeah, but also, Rudy Giuliani is a lawyer, and he should know that, like, you kind of can't say that unless you got something to really present.

01:05:46.000 And the way you should say it is by presenting the evidence.

01:05:50.000 You should even make claims.

01:05:51.000 You should probably just present the evidence.

01:05:53.000 Well, they were saying, I mean, Sidney Powell, I think that's her name, and Giuliani.

01:05:58.000 $148 million damages verdict adds to Rudy Giuliani's...

01:06:02.000 Over his legal eyes about two Georgia election workers.

01:06:05.000 So what did he say that these ladies did?

01:06:08.000 So this is a defamation suit?

01:06:10.000 It must be.

01:06:11.000 What did he say that they did?

01:06:13.000 Defamation case brought by two former Georgia election workers marks a new low point for the man once lauded as America's mayor, whose advocacy of Donald Trump's false election claims led to criminal charges and hefty legal bills.

01:06:23.000 What did he say that they did?

01:06:30.000 What did he say?

01:06:32.000 What did he say?

01:06:35.000 Let's find out what his statements were.

01:06:38.000 See if you can find it.

01:06:40.000 Remember when Ron Paul destroyed Rudy Giuliani on the debate stage?

01:06:44.000 Here it says Giuliani.

01:06:45.000 This is different, I think.

01:07:02.000 That's crazy.

01:07:04.000 Yep.

01:07:09.000 Jesus Christ.

01:07:10.000 So but let's find out what he said if we can.

01:07:14.000 I'm interested.

01:07:15.000 Isn't it annoying that they make it so hard to find like the actual thing?

01:07:20.000 You know, lies he spread about them that upended their lives with racist threats.

01:07:25.000 Well, what were the lies?

01:07:26.000 What did he say?

01:07:28.000 When it says upended their lives, click on that link.

01:07:30.000 See what it says.

01:07:33.000 Georgia election worker suing Rudy Giuliano tells jurors that his lies made her fear for her life. 0.99

01:07:39.000 So what the fuck did he say? 0.99

01:07:44.000 Hmm... 0.99

01:07:46.000 Repeated false claims about her and her mother saying that they were engaged in changing votes.

01:07:52.000 I personally cannot repair my reputation at the moment because your client is still lying on me and ruining my reputation further, she told Giuliani's lawyer.

01:08:00.000 She sobbed.

01:08:00.000 She testified that her life was turned upside down by the accusations, though they were quickly debunked by state officials.

01:08:06.000 Her attorneys displayed a few of the graphic messages accusing her of treason.

01:08:16.000 Yeah, you've got to have real evidence if you want to say something like that.

01:08:23.000 And again, Rudy Giuliani is a lawyer.

01:08:26.000 Like, he should know that, you know?

01:08:29.000 California's only reported 54% right now, so that's somewhere in the range of 9 million-plus votes.

01:08:36.000 But that's the biggest missing.

01:08:37.000 Oh, so far still?

01:08:39.000 Yeah.

01:08:39.000 How do they not count at all?

01:08:40.000 Only 54% at this point.

01:08:41.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:08:41.000 This is updated too.

01:08:43.000 Why are they so slow? 0.94

01:08:44.000 They suck at everything over there now. 0.98

01:08:46.000 85% for Nevada, 73% or something for Washington and Oregon. 0.99

01:08:50.000 Oregon's at 62%.

01:08:51.000 So they still have a lot to go up there.

01:08:53.000 All right.

01:08:53.000 So we'll see what these numbers look like.

01:08:55.000 But at the end of the day, so there might still be more millions.

01:09:00.000 So it might get close to the 80 million mark.

01:09:03.000 That'd be interesting to see.

01:09:04.000 Because then that's a misleading chart.

01:09:07.000 I didn't know that there were so many that hadn't turned in their votes yet.

01:09:10.000 That doesn't surprise me about California. 1.00

01:09:12.000 Get your shit together, you fucking dorks. 1.00

01:09:14.000 Yeah, they can't do anything. 1.00

01:09:15.000 They're charging 14% in state taxes, then another 1% if you live in Los Angeles, the city of Los Angeles, you get hit with another 1%.

01:09:24.000 Dude, that's like agent and manager fees.

01:09:27.000 You know?

01:09:28.000 Yeah.

01:09:28.000 Can you imagine?

01:09:31.000 A good amount of money.

01:09:32.000 Let's say you make $100,000 a year.

01:09:34.000 You have to pay $140,000 to the government for what?

01:09:40.000 For what?

01:09:41.000 And then if you move to Tennessee, zero.

01:09:43.000 Move to Texas, zero.

01:09:45.000 And they wonder why people are flooding out of their state by the hundreds of thousands. 1.00

01:09:49.000 And you can't even count the votes in time, you fucking knuckleheads. 1.00

01:09:52.000 Like, what are you doing? 1.00

01:09:53.000 Yeah.

01:09:53.000 No, they can't do anything.

01:09:55.000 It's such a goofy state, just overburdened with regulations.

01:09:58.000 You can't even have flavored vapes anymore. 0.76

01:10:05.000 Little Billy's hooked on the strawberry mist.

01:10:08.000 You gotta take it out of the store to protect my little Billy.

01:10:12.000 It's the strawberry that gets them.

01:10:14.000 You can't have flavored zins.

01:10:16.000 Well, and isn't it so...

01:10:17.000 The whole war on tobacco, which I guess vapes aren't tobacco, but the whole crackdown on smoking and everything that kind of happened in my lifetime is...

01:10:31.000 It's really, really wild when you take into account all the stuff that Bobby Kennedy talks about.

01:10:36.000 Oh, yeah.

01:10:36.000 Where you're like, yeah, but we're like the most unhealthy country.

01:10:39.000 And you took away, like, yeah, a lot more people used to smoke cigarettes, and cigarettes aren't good for you, sure, but we were a healthier country when people were smoking cigarettes.

01:10:47.000 We need regulation, my little Billy and his strawberry baby. 0.87

01:10:52.000 Do you ever use Zins?

01:10:54.000 Occasionally.

01:10:55.000 No.

01:10:55.000 These are Lucy's.

01:10:57.000 These are espresso flavored.

01:10:58.000 This is contraband in California.

01:11:01.000 These are eights.

01:11:02.000 Wait, are these the Tucker Carlson ones?

01:11:04.000 No, no, no.

01:11:04.000 This is another company, Lucy's.

01:11:06.000 These are breakers.

01:11:07.000 They have a little thing in there.

01:11:08.000 You break it.

01:11:09.000 It gives you flavor.

01:11:10.000 It tastes like coffee.

01:11:11.000 Go ahead, break it.

01:11:12.000 Bite down. 0.89

01:11:12.000 Chew on it. 0.89

01:11:14.000 Oh, yeah, baby.

01:11:16.000 Illegal in California.

01:11:17.000 Right here, we're in Texas.

01:11:18.000 This doesn't seem like it should be illegal.

01:11:20.000 Experience in freedom.

01:11:21.000 Freedom in Texas.

01:11:22.000 No, if you want flavor, you have to have that and a stick of gum. 0.99

01:11:26.000 If you live in California, you can get your cinnamon gum and you can chew your cinnamon gum with your fucking no flavor zin and you can have a nice little experience, almost like you have a cinnamon zin. 1.00

01:11:37.000 But you're not allowed to have a cinnamon zin because you're too much of a fucking baby. 1.00

01:11:40.000 You can't control yourself. 1.00

01:11:42.000 No gambling either, you fucker. 1.00

01:11:44.000 Dude, I mean, I'm on the road all the time. 1.00

01:11:46.000 Yeah, right.

01:11:47.000 And you go throughout this whole country, and it's like, yeah, people don't smoke anymore.

01:11:52.000 That was effective.

01:11:53.000 I mean, not like the way they used to.

01:11:55.000 You know, there's not people smoking cigarettes like that.

01:11:57.000 But every single town I go to in this entire country has an Arby's and a Burger King and a KFC. Like, they have every single town, even when they have nothing else, they have every single type of fast food.

01:12:09.000 And you look around and, like, everybody's obese, everyone's unhealthy.

01:12:13.000 I mean, when you rattle off, you know, when Bobby Kennedy gave that speech when he threw his support behind Donald Trump, I was watching that with my wife and my mother-in-law, and they both like have tears in their eyes as he's just reading down the stats of how unhealthy we are as a country.

01:12:30.000 It's just, you know, man, one thing, and I'm really, really glad that Bobby ran for president this year, and I'm really glad he ended up throwing his support behind Trump, and hopefully he gets a really important position in there.

01:12:43.000 But the one thing that I almost felt like You couldn't argue with him that even if you don't blame the same culprits that he blames, which is what they love to say, it's like, How is everyone not talking about this?

01:12:59.000 How is this not an issue that every single presidential candidate has to address?

01:13:03.000 It's killing people.

01:13:04.000 And our kids.

01:13:05.000 It's killing kids, and it's making people way more vulnerable to a host of other diseases, including cancers.

01:13:11.000 It's terrible for you.

01:13:14.000 Cardiovascular...

01:13:14.000 77%, I think, Bobby said, 73% of all American boys are not eligible for the military.

01:13:25.000 So they are unfit to serve because they're either obese or they have a host of these metabolic conditions that have come about from poor diet.

01:13:35.000 Yeah.

01:13:35.000 And from poison, from eating poison.

01:13:37.000 Essentially, you're slow dosing your body with poison and sugar all day long, and that's most people.

01:13:43.000 And we don't do anything about that, but then we try to regulate vapes.

01:13:47.000 Yeah.

01:13:47.000 Do you know Nicole Shanahan?

01:13:51.000 Yes.

01:13:52.000 I haven't met her in person, but I actually did a FaceTime with her, and I think Willie D from the Ghetto Boys.

01:13:58.000 Really?

01:13:59.000 That's an odd pairing together.

01:14:01.000 I think she's great.

01:14:02.000 I had her on my podcast a couple times.

01:14:05.000 And it's just...

01:14:06.000 77% of young Americans between the age of 17 and 24 are not considered fit for military service.

01:14:13.000 Unbelievable, dude.

01:14:16.000 Eleven health, well, mental health, that's to say substance abuse, education, social and behavior factors, criminal records, U.S. military is facing a recruitment crisis due to these challenges, as well as a lack of interest among young people.

01:14:33.000 So it's only 11% is like physically so unhealthy that they can't do it.

01:14:39.000 That's obesity, actually.

01:14:40.000 So there's probably a bunch of other conditions other than obesity.

01:14:43.000 Right.

01:14:44.000 Mental health issues.

01:14:46.000 I wonder, it says significant factors.

01:14:48.000 I wonder what number that is.

01:14:50.000 I bet drug and alcohol abuse is a big one.

01:14:52.000 Yeah.

01:14:53.000 That's a big one.

01:14:54.000 It says 8% for drug and alcohol abuse.

01:14:57.000 So I wonder how much the mental health is.

01:14:59.000 I bet that's a big one.

01:15:01.000 Doesn't say, does it?

01:15:03.000 Let's find out.

01:15:04.000 Because that seems like there's a lot of people out there with mental health conditions.

01:15:10.000 Medical, physical health.

01:15:13.000 Drug and alcohol abuse, 8%.

01:15:15.000 Medical, physical health, 7%.

01:15:17.000 What does it say about mental, though?

01:15:22.000 Mental health and overweight conditions?

01:15:25.000 Hmm.

01:15:26.000 Oh, they have 4% mental health, 7% medical, physical only, 8% drug abuse, 11% overweight.

01:15:35.000 Wow.

01:15:37.000 Look at this, 44%, though, more than one reason or condition.

01:15:42.000 44, almost half, more than one of these problems that makes you ineligible.

01:15:48.000 That's crazy.

01:15:49.000 I can't remember what town I was in, but Nicole Shanahan, who I think she's great, and it was really, really interesting.

01:15:58.000 I had her on my podcast twice, just really, really smart lady who really knows a lot about this stuff.

01:16:03.000 She sent me this video that she posted, and so I'm in a hotel room, And I was there with my buddy Rob Bernstein, who's a co-host of my podcast, Part of the Problem.

01:16:16.000 Very, very funny comedian.

01:16:17.000 Very smart guy.

01:16:19.000 And so, literally, I was texting with him.

01:16:23.000 And we were like on our way to go to the show.

01:16:24.000 So I was like, hey, meet in the lobby in 10 minutes.

01:16:27.000 And then I got an Uber taking us to the comedy club.

01:16:29.000 I can't remember where we were.

01:16:31.000 And Nicole Shanahan sends me this video.

01:16:34.000 It was like a video that she put out on Twitter.

01:16:37.000 I didn't know what it was going to be.

01:16:38.000 You know, she just sent me it and I just click on it and play it.

01:16:40.000 And it was just about like what her family went through with their kids, you know, like like illnesses and stuff.

01:16:46.000 And it's like, And it's the most touching video ever.

01:16:49.000 It's so powerful that I sit down and I'm just watching this whole thing and I started crying watching it.

01:16:56.000 Kids with health issues really cuts close to the bone for me.

01:17:01.000 But as I'm sitting there just like literally sobbing watching this video, it's so emotional.

01:17:06.000 And then literally it just dawns on me in the middle of it that I'm supposed to meet my comedian friend in one minute in the lobby to go to this show.

01:17:13.000 And I'm just sitting here like, what am I doing?

01:17:15.000 I'm sitting in my hotel room crying about these kids.

01:17:17.000 But anyway, the point of it is is that like, Hey, look, I don't know enough about this stuff.

01:17:22.000 You know, I know about stuff that I know about.

01:17:24.000 I don't I don't know enough about this.

01:17:25.000 I really should educate myself more on it.

01:17:27.000 But if your argument is that like that Bobby and Nicole are blaming the wrong culprits, you know, it's not the vaccines and it's not the Wi-Fi and it's not like, OK, I don't know.

01:17:40.000 But like, what is it then?

01:17:42.000 And why are you not interested in this?

01:17:44.000 Why are they the only ones who are talking about this?

01:17:47.000 You're telling me we lead the world in chronic illness and that's not something that comes up in any presidential election ever, other than when Bobby Kennedy runs for president?

01:17:56.000 That's insane!

01:17:57.000 You don't think the increase in the number of autism cases is an area we should discover, we should look into, we should investigate?

01:18:08.000 You think that that's all been figured out?

01:18:10.000 Why are you so convinced? 0.56

01:18:12.000 And explain, I'm sorry, I'm letting you know that I'm somewhat ignorant on this subject. 0.99

01:18:17.000 So just like, explain it to me like I'm really, really stupid. 0.97

01:18:19.000 Talk slowly. 0.95

01:18:20.000 Okay, I can understand where if you're talking about very mild autism, okay, like what we used to call Asperger's, Which I guess they don't call it that anymore.

01:18:31.000 But if you're talking about mild autism and you want to convince me that that went undiagnosed in the past, I can totally believe that.

01:18:38.000 There is no way that moderate or severe autism went undiagnosed.

01:18:42.000 It may have not been correctly diagnosed, but you did not not notice that.

01:18:47.000 But there's enough of a rise in numbers that it should be a concern for everyone.

01:18:51.000 I'm saying there's no possible way.

01:18:53.000 That there isn't an increase going on here.

01:18:56.000 Because obviously, even in the 1940s or in the 1950s, if someone was non-verbal, they would have noticed that.

01:19:05.000 They would have noticed that.

01:19:07.000 You know what I mean?

01:19:07.000 If there was a lot of kids like that in your school, you'd notice.

01:19:10.000 There's no way.

01:19:11.000 You would have called it something.

01:19:12.000 Maybe you wouldn't have understood it the way we understand it today.

01:19:15.000 And thank God people do understand it better, and there's a lot more...

01:19:20.000 There's a lot more tools that are provided and there's a lot more awareness about it and special schools and things like that. 0.99

01:19:26.000 But come on, like there's – you know, so much of this is – it's one of the things that exposes how full of shit our whole system is. 0.97

01:19:37.000 Is when you just see that there's no even desire to get to the bottom of this. 0.99

01:19:42.000 It's like the Trump assassination attempt.

01:19:43.000 No desire!

01:19:45.000 There's no desire to get to the bottom of it and it's about children.

01:19:47.000 Yeah.

01:19:48.000 Which are the most vulnerable people that we all should be protecting.

01:19:50.000 But they're so entrenched in this ideology that you have to trust science.

01:19:56.000 Yeah.

01:20:24.000 Right.

01:20:25.000 Right.

01:20:39.000 Wild.

01:20:40.000 And it reminds me kind of of, you remember when they were trying to push the COVID passports, the vaccine passports, and the logic would just fall apart on its face.

01:20:49.000 You're like, wait a minute.

01:20:51.000 You're telling me the vaccine is 100% effective.

01:20:53.000 You're saying if you take the vaccine, you can't get COVID or spread COVID. And then you're also telling me that the people who are vaccinated in this restaurant need to be protected from the unvaccinated entering this restaurant.

01:21:03.000 That doesn't make sense.

01:21:05.000 I'm sorry, I'm not a genius, but I can figure out the logic and that is flawed, okay?

01:21:10.000 And in the same sense though, it's like, if you're arguing that all these vaccines are safe and Bobby Kennedy's a kook, then why do they need the liability protection? 0.87

01:21:20.000 Yes, absolutely.

01:21:22.000 There was also another thing that they did that didn't make any sense because it went against the science.

01:21:26.000 And they were saying that if you don't get vaccinated, it's going to cause variants.

01:21:30.000 And that's not what they say.

01:21:33.000 What people who study viruses and vaccines say is you do not vaccinate during a pandemic with a non-sterilizing vaccine.

01:21:43.000 So meaning if a vaccine, if you give it to someone and they can still transmit and they can still catch the disease, you're going to cause Right.

01:22:13.000 Because you're going to create variants.

01:22:14.000 And that's exactly what happened.

01:22:17.000 And doctors started blaming the variants on the unvaccinated.

01:22:21.000 But if you question those doctors, explain to me how that works. 0.99

01:22:23.000 There's no fucking answer. 0.99

01:22:24.000 It's just a narrative. 1.00

01:22:27.000 Vaccine, good.

01:22:28.000 Anything else, bad. 1.00

01:22:30.000 Ivermectin, you're crazy. 1.00

01:22:31.000 Killing people. 1.00

01:22:32.000 Death, blood on your hands. 1.00

01:22:34.000 It was all a psyop.

01:22:36.000 And it was super effective.

01:22:38.000 And it was a way for them to make ungodly amounts of money.

01:22:41.000 And that's what it was. 0.98

01:22:43.000 And the quicker we accept that and realize that we're vulnerable to that kind of shit, if we still keep following along the same kind of lines that we're on today, as soon as we realize that, the better off we all are. 0.98

01:22:54.000 All of us. 0.98

01:22:54.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:22:55.000 And I think I got here in a kind of similar way to you, which is, I think, a story for, like, millions of Americans, is that I never even thought about this issue.

01:23:05.000 I never...

01:23:06.000 Dove into reading a lot about any vaccine until there was this COVID vaccine. 0.99

01:23:12.000 And then I really dove into it and read a lot about it and found out that you guys were lying through your fucking teeth about the whole goddamn thing and that the whole clinical trials were totally rigged and totally fake. 0.99

01:23:41.000 I'm listening. 0.99

01:23:45.000 That doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

01:23:47.000 It doesn't seem unreasonable at all.

01:23:48.000 And the fact that they were trying to silence legitimate scientists, doctors, professors at major universities for stepping outside the lines.

01:23:56.000 They were trying to remove them from Twitter.

01:23:58.000 They were trying to silence them.

01:23:59.000 They worked in conjunction with the original Twitter to do that.

01:24:03.000 They silenced real experts.

01:24:05.000 You know, and when that lady from Twitter had to testify in front of Congress, it was amazing.

01:24:11.000 That was amazing.

01:24:12.000 And watch those people grill her. 0.51

01:24:14.000 Like, are you a doctor?

01:24:15.000 Like, why are you silencing doctors?

01:24:17.000 Like, what are you doing?

01:24:18.000 That was the same one you had on, right?

01:24:20.000 Yes!

01:24:22.000 And one of the interesting things about that was, uh, which is, that was a great, still probably one of my all-time favorite JRE episodes, uh, but it was when, you know, when she was, they were, uh, arguing that, like, they don't have a bias.

01:24:35.000 And then I think Tim was like, yeah, but you ban people for dead naming or misgendering.

01:24:41.000 And she was like, well, yeah, that's hateful. 0.98

01:24:44.000 And you're like, yeah, but that's a bias.

01:24:45.000 That right there is a bias.

01:24:47.000 And it's one thing when you're just talking about whether we're calling somebody a boy or a girl.

01:24:52.000 But then you realize, oh, you have the exact same thing when it actually comes to very important medical information about a product that Americans are being forced to take.

01:25:02.000 This is...

01:25:04.000 Madness.

01:25:04.000 No matter what you say, they're being forced.

01:25:05.000 They're being forced if they want to fly, they're being forced if they want to work in a place that has more than 100 people, if the workplace mandates it, forced if they want to go to a university.

01:25:13.000 Forced, forced, forced.

01:25:14.000 And they were implementing, in a totally unconstitutional way, they were going to, through OSHA, Through workplace safety, like just the most blatantly unconstitutional proposal,

01:25:30.000 that Joe Biden was going to make it the law of the land that every single business with 100 people or more had to have everybody vaccinated.

01:25:38.000 And it was only because of Donald Trump's Supreme Court that that got struck down.

01:25:43.000 And that's something that people who are paying attention remember.

01:25:54.000 Fired from their job, did not lose their livelihood because they refused or were not vaccine injured for a vaccine that they never needed to take.

01:26:01.000 I mean, how many people fell into the category that like me and you and so many other people fell into where we got the thing and beat it real quickly before we ever got vaccinated and just didn't need it.

01:26:13.000 And then we just didn't make any sense.

01:26:15.000 Even even with the information we had about the vaccine back then, which we have a lot more now, but even back Back then, I mean, you looked CNN's doctor right in the eyes, and he goes, well, are you going to get the vaccine?

01:26:27.000 You go, no, I just beat COVID. Why would I need to?

01:26:29.000 And he had no answer for you.

01:26:30.000 He had no reason why.

01:26:31.000 There's no compelling reason why you should.

01:26:33.000 They wanted me to join the team.

01:26:34.000 That's it.

01:26:34.000 That's all it is.

01:26:36.000 I mean, I had a very intelligent friend that I had a conversation with.

01:26:39.000 You're going to get vaccinated now?

01:26:40.000 I go, why would I do that?

01:26:41.000 It was a weird conversation.

01:26:43.000 I go, I beat it in three days.

01:26:44.000 Like, I wasn't even that sick, man.

01:26:46.000 Like, I made a video three days later explaining, and I got in trouble because I took the wrong medication to get better. 1.00

01:26:51.000 Are you guys out of your fucking mind? 0.99

01:26:53.000 Like, if you were really worried about people's health and safety, wouldn't you say, hey, what's this 57-year-old guy doing getting over this so easy? 1.00

01:27:02.000 Right.

01:27:02.000 What's he doing different?

01:27:04.000 What's he doing different?

01:27:05.000 And you go, oh, he's very serious about his health.

01:27:07.000 Oh, he takes really good care of himself.

01:27:08.000 By the way, you enjoyed me giving the business to Chris Cuomo over that.

01:27:13.000 That was one of my favorite moments of this year.

01:27:16.000 He fell apart.

01:27:17.000 He was trying to do CNN outside of CNN. You know, like when he said, I've never said that.

01:27:21.000 And then they pull up the clip like immediately of him demonizing.

01:27:25.000 Shout out to Patrick Bitt David's crew, because they really had my back on that one.

01:27:31.000 I didn't send them that clip before or anything, but they in real time had that ready to go.

01:27:38.000 They had a Jamie too.

01:27:39.000 Yeah, everybody's got a Jamie now.

01:27:41.000 Not Jamie.

01:27:42.000 There's only one Jamie.

01:27:43.000 There's only one Jamie, but there's a lot of knockoffs.

01:27:47.000 Yeah, a lot of knockoffs.

01:27:48.000 But the fact that you checked him in real time and he just had to sit there and eat it.

01:27:52.000 It's just, they were puppets.

01:27:54.000 They were puppets for the system.

01:27:56.000 They were doing it because that was their job.

01:27:57.000 That's how you get ahead in your career.

01:27:59.000 You want to be the main guy at CNN. That's what you do.

01:28:01.000 And that's what they were doing.

01:28:03.000 And now he's not doing it anymore.

01:28:04.000 Good luck to him.

01:28:05.000 I hope he does stay on an independent path.

01:28:08.000 And becomes an objective person.

01:28:10.000 He's made some strives towards that, I think. 0.99

01:28:12.000 I think he's taken some fucking lumps, and I think you beat the fuck out of him in that debate. 0.98

01:28:15.000 That debate was Mike Tyson's early fights. 1.00

01:28:19.000 You see that fucking white dude with the muffin top who just gets flatlined in 15 seconds? 1.00

01:28:25.000 That's what that was. 0.99

01:28:26.000 I mean, look, man, and it's not really, like, a comment on me.

01:28:29.000 It's not that I'm so amazing at debates.

01:28:31.000 It's just, like, the argument here is so weak.

01:28:33.000 You're pretty good at debates.

01:28:34.000 You're pretty good at it. 0.99

01:28:35.000 You're pretty fucking good at it. 0.98

01:28:36.000 I'm not bad at it. 0.98

01:28:37.000 But also, the facts were on your side.

01:28:40.000 Yeah, I mean, that's my superpower isn't that I'm, like, the smartest guy or the best at debates.

01:28:45.000 It's just that, like, I'm right in what I'm arguing, and that makes it much easier.

01:28:50.000 You know, I got, there was an organization that was pitching me on a debate.

01:28:57.000 A two-on-two debate, which I don't really like doing two-on-two debates.

01:29:00.000 I've done, like, one.

01:29:01.000 Too many people talking.

01:29:02.000 It's too much.

01:29:02.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:29:03.000 One-on-one is the way to do it.

01:29:04.000 But they pitched me this, like, months after that.

01:29:07.000 I think it was, if I'm not wrong, I think the topic was about whether Joe Biden should drop out of the race or not.

01:29:13.000 And they pitched me that it would be a two-on-two debate against two people.

01:29:17.000 I don't remember who were saying he should stay in, and it was going to be me and Chris Cuomo against them.

01:29:22.000 And I told them, I was like, no, no, I will not be on his side.

01:29:26.000 And like, I don't, you know, I'm kind of over, you know, I... Yeah.

01:29:30.000 We had our thing.

01:29:31.000 I gave him a beating. 0.99

01:29:32.000 I think he deserved it.

01:29:33.000 But I'm just like, listen, man, I'll team up with a left-winger on something I agree with.

01:29:37.000 I'll team up with a right-winger on something I agree with.

01:29:39.000 I'll team up with a moderate on something I agree with.

01:29:41.000 But no, not the corporate media guy who was the number one show at CNN. I'm not on their side.

01:29:47.000 Even if I'm on their side on this issue, I'm against them.

01:29:50.000 And I know that this has probably been a theme of every single time I'm on this show over the last 10 years or whatever it's been.

01:29:57.000 But I just...

01:30:00.000 And maybe it's a problem.

01:30:01.000 I hate them so much.

01:30:03.000 And I really think they deserve it. 0.98

01:30:05.000 And it's not just that they lie about everything.

01:30:07.000 It's like they lie about everything.

01:30:08.000 And then they have the nerve to morally judge us.

01:30:13.000 Like, if you just watch even just the last few weeks of the Trump election, they're not in the business of reporting the news.

01:30:19.000 They're totally just in the business of making you feel like you're a bad person if you don't fall in line with the regime.

01:30:27.000 And, you know, it's like all of us know, right?

01:30:29.000 Everybody knows this.

01:30:31.000 America has this giant war machine, right?

01:30:35.000 Like, we're just always at war.

01:30:36.000 We're the most war-hungry country in the world.

01:30:38.000 Even if we're taking a little bit of a break from a war, we'll fight two more proxy wars while we do that.

01:30:42.000 America looks back at the 90s, Bill Clinton as the time of peace and prosperity.

01:30:49.000 We call it peace because we only fought a war in, like, Serbia and had a blockade around Iraq and were, like, bombing the crap out of Iraq with a few other military interventions in there, too.

01:31:00.000 You know, the UN estimated that Bill Clinton's sanction and bombing regime of Iraq Okay, everyone just thinks of George H.W. Bush's war and W's war, but Bill Clinton was bombing Iraq his whole, and he had a full blockade around the country.

01:31:15.000 The UN estimated that 500,000 children died of starvation or malnutrition due to the blockade.

01:31:22.000 Now, I've heard people argue, by the way, that that number is exaggerated.

01:31:26.000 Maybe it wasn't 500,000, maybe it was only 100,000.

01:31:29.000 So that's the time that we consider peace.

01:31:32.000 When we were just starving 100,000 children to death in Iraq, and you, everybody in the corporate media, are in the business, every single one of those wars, you've sold them.

01:31:44.000 Everyone, my entire life, the media has sold those wars.

01:31:47.000 And you're going to morally look down on me?

01:31:50.000 You're going to judge me? 1.00

01:31:51.000 Motherfucker, you're in the business of baby murder. 1.00

01:31:54.000 Get the Get the fuck out of here. 1.00

01:31:56.000 You're looking down judging an American because maybe I'm going to vote for Donald Trump or maybe I dare to question the results of the last election. 1.00

01:32:05.000 Fuck you, dude. 1.00

01:32:06.000 And it was a challenge debating him because they were playing the clips, you know, even before they played that clip that Summed him because he had said he didn't say that and then he clearly did. 1.00

01:32:16.000 But they were just playing the clips of the way they were talking to people during COVID and the pandemic of the unvaccinated and it's you, Mr. Vaccine Skeptic.

01:32:25.000 You're the reason why this...

01:32:26.000 And man, it was getting me angry.

01:32:28.000 I was just like, all right, I got to control this here because this is too...

01:32:32.000 How sweet is it that he's on ivermectin now?

01:32:36.000 How sweet is that though?

01:32:37.000 That is the nuttiest part of it all.

01:32:40.000 Could you just set someone up for a better?

01:32:42.000 Not only that, he wants to say long COVID. Like, hey buddy, let me tell you something.

01:32:46.000 If you got a novel medication injected into your body more than once, you probably had to do it twice.

01:32:52.000 You probably at least had to get one booster.

01:32:54.000 And you have some problem, and you're saying this long-term problem is COVID, long COVID. Are you sure?

01:33:04.000 Are you sure?

01:33:05.000 Or maybe that medicine they injected into your body, you got vaccine injured.

01:33:12.000 You don't want to say that though, because you still want some sort of a job in corporate media so you have to toe the line.

01:33:17.000 You should be very concerned that this novel Before, never mass injected into people.

01:33:25.000 Who knows how many different people are going to have different results from some medication, some terrible fucking weird way their biology interacts with this medication. 0.66

01:33:35.000 It's going to cause a horrible side effect. 0.91

01:33:38.000 And now you're on ivermectin to treat that.

01:33:41.000 That's rich.

01:33:42.000 And the way he tried to spin it.

01:33:45.000 But he tried to say...

01:33:49.000 He really should have just thrown in the white towel.

01:33:52.000 He would have done much better for himself.

01:33:55.000 Saying I was wrong.

01:33:56.000 Listen, I was at CNN, and I kind of just took for granted that they have the best experts, and so I trusted their experts, and now I realize they were wrong.

01:34:03.000 If he had said that, that would have been very hard.

01:34:05.000 I still would have been harsh on him, but it would have been a different conversation and a different dynamic.

01:34:09.000 What he did was he refused to admit that, and then, and this is really what got me, is that then he started kind of like attacking my motives.

01:34:17.000 Like he was like, oh yeah, he goes, I know, you know, this is probably good for your podcast numbers and stuff, but like as if I'm, I don't really believe what I'm saying.

01:34:25.000 I'm just doing this to make money.

01:34:27.000 Because that's how they function.

01:34:28.000 That's why they're accusing you of functioning that way.

01:34:30.000 They're accusing you of doing things just because you know they're going to be outrageous and get a lot of views.

01:34:34.000 Which is, but, you know, like, you know me, I don't do that.

01:34:36.000 I don't do that.

01:34:37.000 Yeah.

01:34:38.000 I don't do that.

01:34:39.000 No, I know you don't.

01:34:39.000 I have the number one podcast in the world, and I don't do anything based on how many views I think it's going to get.

01:34:43.000 That's a fact.

01:34:43.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:34:44.000 And you don't, like, there is nothing I say that I don't believe.

01:34:48.000 I might be wrong about some stuff, but everything I say, I believe.

01:34:51.000 I'm not, like, ever saying anything because it's just like, oh, this will, you know, like...

01:34:56.000 Bring in bigger numbers or something like that.

01:34:59.000 They think that way.

01:34:59.000 That's why he's accusing you of that.

01:35:01.000 Because that's a motivation for people that are in that industry. 0.97

01:35:05.000 If you're in the fucking industry of being a mouthpiece for network news, there's a very narrow window of behavior that you have to operate under. 0.94

01:35:13.000 You have to stay inside these lines. 0.98

01:35:16.000 And if you're on Fox or if you're on CNBC or whatever it is, MSNBC. You have a narrative.

01:35:25.000 They have a narrative in the office.

01:35:26.000 There's a culture.

01:35:27.000 There's a way people think about that.

01:35:29.000 And this is your job.

01:35:31.000 So you're going to do the things that you think are going to get you more ratings.

01:35:34.000 You're going to do the stories that are going to get people more outrage.

01:35:36.000 That's how you're thinking.

01:35:37.000 It's the wrong way to think when you're on the internet.

01:35:40.000 And they also have...

01:35:41.000 There's a real incentive...

01:35:45.000 To never consider like what I said about them being in the baby murder business because that's, you know, that's pretty rough to think of yourself as that.

01:35:53.000 And, you know, I remember this one time I watched a documentary on abortion and it was like a very pro-choice.

01:36:01.000 How much free time do you have?

01:36:02.000 This was before I had kids.

01:36:04.000 This was before I had kids.

01:36:05.000 I had so much free time before I had kids.

01:36:06.000 If I'm going to unwind in front of the TV, that's the last thing I'm going to watch.

01:36:09.000 I'm a weird guy, Joe.

01:36:11.000 But that's what I do.

01:36:13.000 I might, though.

01:36:14.000 In the right mood.

01:36:15.000 I forget where it was.

01:36:16.000 It might have been on Netflix or something.

01:36:18.000 If I really want to know what was going on.

01:36:18.000 I was kind of interested in the subject before I had kids.

01:36:23.000 But I remember I was watching.

01:36:24.000 It had a very pro-choice bent.

01:36:26.000 And there was this abortionist, this abortion doctor, this lady. 1.00

01:36:29.000 And she was like, listen.

01:36:33.000 I've been an abortion doctor for 30 years.

01:36:36.000 And let me just tell you something.

01:36:37.000 There is no moral issue with having an abortion.

01:36:40.000 It's a thing in a Petri dish.

01:36:41.000 It's not a human being.

01:36:42.000 And I remember just watching it and being like, well, yeah, but you better feel that way.

01:36:47.000 Because if you even start to entertain the possibility, what does that make you?

01:36:53.000 So there's this very powerful social incentive for them to like dig their heels in and not admit that like, oh, the United States of America, the greatest country in the history of the world with more freedom and prosperity and cultivated the greatest economy and the greatest music and literature and just everything.

01:37:12.000 Everything that is this superpower.

01:37:14.000 Oh, we presided over the bankruptcy, destruction, and the devolving into nothing more than a military-industrial complex, big bank, big pharmaceutical,

01:37:30.000 most corrupt nation on earth.

01:37:32.000 And we didn't cover that.

01:37:34.000 We watched all of that happen, and not only did we not cover it, we demonized anybody who covered it.

01:37:41.000 That's very difficult to ever confront.

01:37:45.000 And it's always just so much easier for human beings to just go, nope, the problem is misinformation and Russia and racism.

01:37:54.000 They were saying that the number one thing for women was abortion.

01:37:59.000 That was the narrative that was being expressed over and over again.

01:38:03.000 It was the number one issue for them.

01:38:05.000 The number one concern.

01:38:07.000 What was the only political winner they had?

01:38:09.000 Did you see what Kurt Metzgerber tweeted?

01:38:11.000 No.

01:38:13.000 No, but I want to.

01:38:14.000 Hold on.

01:38:15.000 Give me a second.

01:38:16.000 He's the man. 0.97

01:38:17.000 Kurt is the fucking best when things are flying and everything gets crazy. 0.94

01:38:21.000 I'm going to send this to you, Jamie. 0.98

01:38:24.000 Oh, my God.

01:38:25.000 He's so funny.

01:38:26.000 He is one of the funniest human beings on the planet, for sure.

01:38:30.000 He's a mess in the green room.

01:38:33.000 Oh, I know.

01:38:34.000 He got me down rabbit hole after rabbit hole.

01:38:35.000 You didn't hear about this?

01:38:36.000 And he's like, more conspiracies.

01:38:37.000 I'm like, Kurt, I'm trying to enjoy this experience of being at the comedy club and Donald Trump's about the way you're hitting me with conspiracy after conspiracy after conspiracy.

01:38:47.000 Listen, you get caught on the side of the bar at Mitzi's with Kurt Metzger.

01:38:50.000 You might be in for a night.

01:38:52.000 And he's looming and he's big.

01:38:53.000 He's a big giant guy.

01:38:54.000 Christina Applegate writes, why?

01:38:56.000 Give me your reasons why.

01:38:57.000 My child is sobbing because her rights as a woman may be taken away.

01:39:00.000 Why?

01:39:00.000 And if you disagree, please unfollow me.

01:39:02.000 Kurt says, good news.

01:39:03.000 If she got all her COVID shots, she's probably sterile now anyway. 1.00

01:39:06.000 Also, what the fuck is a woman? 1.00

01:39:15.000 Also, could you imagine a child, imagine a child, and your child is sobbing because their right to kill a baby inside of them might be taken away. 1.00

01:39:24.000 I don't believe that's true.

01:39:25.000 It's very hard.

01:39:26.000 I don't believe that's true unless you've distorted what we're talking about to that child.

01:39:31.000 And said that someone's gonna tell that child what they can and can't do with their body, like in some sort of a weird dystopian way.

01:39:38.000 Like, what did you say to that kid?

01:39:40.000 Do you explain what an abortion is?

01:39:41.000 Do you explain how they came about, they were in your body, and then they came out, now they're a little tiny person that's like super vulnerable? 0.60

01:39:47.000 And you want to protect their right to kill a little tiny person inside of them.

01:39:51.000 I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to do it, and I'm not a woman. 0.92

01:39:54.000 I should not have the choice of what a woman can and can't do with her body. 0.99

01:39:58.000 I would not want a man, if I was a woman, to tell me what the fuck I can do with my body. 1.00

01:40:03.000 And I think if somehow, and I think it's all connected to religion, and if somehow or another someone decided, and this would be a very minor comparison and not nearly as consequential, but if someone decided that men could no longer get hysterectomies, or excuse me, vasectomies, If men can no longer get vasectomies because of religious reasons, 0.98

01:40:21.000 because of some Sharia law or whatever the fuck it is, you cannot do that. 0.89

01:40:25.000 Men would be outraged. 0.99

01:40:26.000 If women were forcing it on men, we have low population, you cannot get vasectomies. 1.00

01:40:31.000 We'd be like, what the fuck is going on? 0.99

01:40:33.000 And you've, I want to go to Oklahoma to get a vasectomy because it's legal there. 1.00

01:40:37.000 And then they track you.

01:40:38.000 Were you in Oklahoma to get a vasectomy?

01:40:40.000 Like, what? 1.00

01:40:41.000 What the fuck? 1.00

01:40:41.000 Men would be outraged. 1.00

01:40:43.000 That's happening with abortion. 1.00

01:40:45.000 There's talk of doing that with abortion, where in states where it's illegal, women are not going to be allowed to travel in the United States of America, where you're supposed to have freedom, to go to a place where you're going to have a legal medical procedure. 0.97

01:40:57.000 It's legal in that place.

01:40:58.000 Whether you agree with it or not, if you're going to believe in states' rights, and you don't think that this is a giant prison where you have to show your ID when you go into Arizona, You should be able to drive around, right?

01:41:08.000 That's the whole idea of one country. 0.98

01:41:10.000 You can go wherever the fuck you want to go. 0.98

01:41:11.000 It's not your business. 0.99

01:41:13.000 There's other things to worry about. 1.00

01:41:14.000 Worry about these fucking gangs that are taking over apartment buildings. 1.00

01:41:17.000 Worry about the border. 1.00

01:41:18.000 Worry about South Central Los Angeles. 0.99

01:41:20.000 Worry about the South Side of Chicago and fucking gang violence that kills more people than half the wars we have going on right now. 1.00

01:41:27.000 Worry about important shit. 1.00

01:41:29.000 Don't worry about what a guy wants to do to get a vasectomy or, way worse, a woman wants to do if she's trying to get an abortion. 1.00

01:41:35.000 It's not your fucking business. 0.98

01:41:37.000 I think that if the argument is that abortion is killing a baby, which, like, there is an argument to, then I can understand the argument being, hey, that shouldn't be allowed. 0.99

01:41:51.000 Now, obviously, I do think there are situations where it's pretty indefensible to force a woman to carry a baby to terms. 0.96

01:42:00.000 You know, but could risk her life. 0.95

01:42:02.000 There's a lot of rape incest also health major health issues I mean there are these situations where you find out that there is some you know congenital disease where this this kid is not gonna make it to three years old and I would never dream of like Forcing you know what I mean that decision on parents rather than allowing them to make it there is also Different the vast majority of abortions are not that you know and the vast majority of abortions are Essentially people 0.73

01:42:33.000 just don't want to have kids right now and that's a little bit that's much tougher to defend than those cases But I will say that one of the things that always like I find striking to me is that because I'm like a radical libertarian and It's very interesting to me that like progressive Democrats all Of a sudden become radical libertarians,

01:42:55.000 but only on one issue.

01:42:56.000 And they make literally exactly...

01:42:58.000 I'm not even saying the libertarian position is to be pro-choice.

01:43:01.000 There's libertarians who are pro-life and libertarians who are pro-choice.

01:43:04.000 But the argument they make is a libertarian one.

01:43:06.000 They're like, listen, I own my body.

01:43:09.000 It's my body.

01:43:10.000 It's my choice.

01:43:11.000 The government shouldn't be involved in healthcare decisions.

01:43:13.000 We believe in freedom.

01:43:14.000 This is a basic fundamental right.

01:43:16.000 It's a very libertarian argument.

01:43:18.000 And it's just interesting that you only apply that to this one area.

01:43:22.000 There's not any other area where any progressive Democrat would ever go, you know, if we're talking about Obamacare, we're talking about regulation, we're talking about taxes, they would never go, hey, listen, this is my money, this is my body, this is my choice, the government shouldn't be involved in that.

01:43:38.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:43:39.000 And there is something that's very bizarre about that.

01:43:42.000 Where it's kind of like maybe with immigration they kind of try to use that an argument to like oh You shouldn't stop a person freedom of movement type thing.

01:43:50.000 They don't really do that anymore because it's been such a disaster But it's just very strange to me that it's like oh what you all become radical libertarians like only when it comes to this thing Which is kind of murdering a baby, but then there's the other side that says we're gonna leave it up the states Okay, well if you get rid of Roe v Wade and you leave it up the states and If someone wants to go to another state where it is legal and you want to stop them from doing that or prosecute them when they come back to your state...

01:44:15.000 That seems to be a problem.

01:44:16.000 That's a problem.

01:44:17.000 Because then it's like...

01:44:18.000 You can't prosecute me for gambling in Vegas.

01:44:19.000 Right.

01:44:20.000 Do you own that person's body?

01:44:21.000 What if that person decides to get an apartment in Oklahoma?

01:44:24.000 Right.

01:44:24.000 And now they kind of live there sometimes.

01:44:26.000 What are you going to do?

01:44:27.000 Is it where their driver's license is?

01:44:30.000 What is that?

01:44:31.000 It also just seems, I don't even know what the word, it seems like incoherent or unsustainable to say that if you're not breaking a law in the area where you are, that you could then be held responsible for that when you come back to it.

01:44:46.000 Because again, you go to a state where recreational marijuana is legal or where gambling is legal or whatever, the idea that It's like if there's like the speed limit was 80 miles per hour in the town over and then I come back and I get a speeding ticket for driving too fast over there where you're allowed to do that.

01:45:04.000 So that seems unworkable to me.

01:45:06.000 That's a great analogy.

01:45:09.000 It's men too.

01:45:10.000 It's men controlling women's bodies. 1.00

01:45:12.000 That's the thing of it.

01:45:14.000 That freaks people out and it's a step in the wrong direction.

01:45:17.000 If you got rid of Roe v. 0.91

01:45:19.000 Wade and that's what you did, so now people have to go to a place where it's legal.

01:45:22.000 If you're stuck in a state and you don't have the resources but you are pregnant and you want to make a decision for your own body, that's not up to men to decide. 0.98

01:45:30.000 If you really believe in states' rights and you really believe the United States is one cohesive community, you should be able to travel to do whatever the fuck you want. 1.00

01:45:38.000 You want to get your dick tattooed? 1.00

01:45:40.000 Whatever you want to get. 1.00

01:45:41.000 You want to get forehead implants so you look like a unicorn? 1.00

01:45:44.000 Whatever the fuck you want to do. 0.99

01:45:45.000 If you want to travel to go do that, including if you want to do something that's legal, it's a medical procedure that maybe I frown upon. 0.99

01:45:52.000 But if they decided in that state that it's legal, you should be able to do it there.

01:45:55.000 Yeah, I mean, I think that the reasonable compromise for right now is Roe v.

01:46:02.000 Wade was struck down.

01:46:03.000 It's a state's rights issue.

01:46:04.000 But yes, I agree with you.

01:46:05.000 The tracking of what you do in another state where it is legal in that state, that, first of all, just seems unworkable to me.

01:46:11.000 I don't see how that's possibly going to happen.

01:46:13.000 And then I do feel like that's going to have to go back to the Supreme Court anyway because it's such a precedent that you could be prosecuted for doing something that was legal in the area that you did it.

01:46:23.000 It's creepy.

01:46:24.000 And it's an infringement on rights.

01:46:26.000 I don't like it. 0.91

01:46:27.000 Even if I don't like – even if I wasn't a pro-choice person, if I didn't like the idea of abortion, I like less the idea of the government telling you what the fuck you can do and whether or not they can discover what you did in some other state. 0.99

01:46:40.000 Like, shut up. 0.96

01:46:42.000 You can't do that and that's what I think a lot of women are fearful of and a lot of that I don't know I don't know how much of a push there is to make something like that happen. 1.00

01:46:53.000 We tried to find that about Texas the other day.

01:46:56.000 There was one case, but we just kept talking.

01:46:58.000 What was that one case, Jamie?

01:47:00.000 There was something in Texas where someone maybe traveled to get an abortion?

01:47:03.000 Because in Texas it's six weeks, which is kind of crazy.

01:47:07.000 Like, you don't have any time.

01:47:08.000 You barely have enough time to realize you're pregnant for a lot of women. 0.99

01:47:12.000 Well, I mean, you're probably not even going to test positive on a home pregnancy test, I think, for like 28 days or something like that.

01:47:21.000 So you've got two weeks, essentially, after that.

01:47:25.000 To find out, make a decision, do what you've got to do, and you have to make sure you get in under the wire or you can get prosecuted.

01:47:32.000 Like seven weeks, you're in jail, which is kind of crazy.

01:47:35.000 Yep.

01:47:36.000 Look, it's very—I don't know.

01:47:37.000 It's tough.

01:47:38.000 When you're drawing a line, it's very tough to find a line other than conception that's not arbitrary.

01:47:48.000 Right.

01:47:48.000 Bill Burr had the best bit.

01:47:50.000 His bit about it was fantastic.

01:47:51.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.95

01:47:52.000 I believe in the woman's right to choose, but I think you're killing a baby. 1.00

01:47:55.000 You know, it's like, Jesus Christ.

01:47:57.000 He's dead on.

01:47:58.000 It's dead on.

01:47:59.000 Yeah, Louis C.K. had a great one, too.

01:48:00.000 I can't remember.

01:48:01.000 That was an old Louis bit.

01:48:02.000 He had a great abortion bit, too.

01:48:04.000 It's a thing that I always say that if men can get pregnant, abortion would be an app on your phone. 0.99

01:48:09.000 You'd be able to get a fucking abortion at the gas station. 1.00

01:48:11.000 You'd be like, fill it up and take this out. 1.00

01:48:13.000 Like, fuck that girl. 1.00

01:48:16.000 I'm not carrying a baby. 1.00

01:48:18.000 I just think this is the case, and it's a little confusing.

01:48:22.000 Okay.

01:48:23.000 A Texas woman who was jailed and charged with murder after self-managing an abortion can move forward with her lawsuit against the local sheriff and prosecutors over the case that drew national outrage before the charges were quickly dropped.

01:48:35.000 A federal judge ruled on Wednesday.

01:48:38.000 So U.S. District Judge Drew B. Tipton denied a motion by prosecutors and the sheriff to dismiss the lawsuit during a hearing in the border city of McAllen.

01:48:48.000 Lizelle Gonzalez, who spent two nights in jail on the murder charges, is seeking one million dollars in damages in the lawsuit, did not attend the hearing.

01:48:57.000 Texas is one of the nation's most restrictive abortion bans and outlaws the procedure with limited exceptions.

01:49:04.000 Under Texas law, women seeking an abortion are exempt from criminal charges, however. 0.74

01:49:08.000 So why did they charge her?

01:49:11.000 What did she do? 0.80

01:49:12.000 What is self-managing an abortion? 0.99

01:49:14.000 What does that mean?

01:49:16.000 Oh, she took a drug. 1.00

01:49:18.000 So, Gonzalez was indicted in 2022 after she took the drug misoprostol while 19 weeks pregnant. 0.94

01:49:26.000 She was treated at Texas Hospital where doctors later performed a cesarean section to deliver a stillborn child after they detected no fetal heartbeat.

01:49:34.000 This is a little different.

01:49:36.000 19 weeks is pretty late, too.

01:49:38.000 Yeah, this is different.

01:49:39.000 The charges were dropped just days after the woman's arrest.

01:49:41.000 Okay, this is different.

01:49:42.000 This is not someone going to another state.

01:49:45.000 So I think that is probably a J.D. Vance that he hadn't heard of that before.

01:49:50.000 And he certainly wouldn't want to put those kind of restrictions on people ever.

01:49:55.000 But when you leave it up to the states, if you're stuck in one of those states, that's where women get really freaked out that Roe v. 0.99

01:50:02.000 Wade was overturned.

01:50:03.000 Yeah, well, look, none of these things are perfect compromises.

01:50:08.000 One of the things that's interesting is for so long, conservatives wanted to overturn Roe v. 0.57

01:50:12.000 Wade, and it always seemed like a pipe dream, like it was never going to actually happen.

01:50:15.000 But then, when you do overturn Roe v.

01:50:18.000 Wade, you do realize that it's like...

01:50:20.000 Nobody's really happy.

01:50:22.000 You know what I mean?

01:50:23.000 It's like the blue states are still going to have unrestrictive rules about it, so the right-wing people aren't happy, and then the red states are going to be more restrictive, so the left-wingers aren't happy about it.

01:50:36.000 It's one of those issues that is enormously complex, and it's very difficult You know, I'm not sure there is like a legal solution to it.

01:50:47.000 I think it's a much more of a cultural issue.

01:50:50.000 It's like, if you're gonna...

01:50:52.000 If you were living in a society where, say, it was more similar to my grandfather's society where it was very normal that you married your high school sweetheart.

01:51:02.000 It was very normal that people waited till marriage to have sex. 0.57

01:51:05.000 And it was very typical that you got married at 19 or 20. Well, I'm not saying they did, but I just mean it was much more typical to get married at 19 and be married for 60 years or whatever.

01:51:17.000 Sure.

01:51:18.000 It's much easier to have rules about abortion in that society.

01:51:23.000 Yeah.

01:51:23.000 You know, whereas, like, if you're in, like, a hookup culture world, where most people are, you know, people are getting married at, like, 35 if they get married at all, and they're spending from, like, 17 to 35 being with many different partners.

01:51:37.000 Using apps.

01:51:38.000 Yeah.

01:51:40.000 You're just going to come in and just write a law on top of that.

01:51:43.000 It's a very difficult situation.

01:51:45.000 But to your initial point, it's like the Dems were running on that because that was really the only political winner that they had.

01:51:52.000 That was the only issue that people actually really cared about and they were on the Democrat side about it.

01:51:58.000 And that's why they had to run on that.

01:52:00.000 That's why Kamala Harris, which was one of the craziest things of this whole campaign, one of the most amazing things, is that they actually tried To just run on nothing. 0.96

01:52:08.000 One of my favorites was that Tim Walsh tried to claim that his wife got pregnant through in vitro fertilization and she said that's not true.

01:52:15.000 So he lied about that.

01:52:17.000 What a weird guy he was.

01:52:18.000 His wife had to come out and say he was lying. 0.81

01:52:22.000 Yeah.

01:52:22.000 Well, so something...

01:52:24.000 Okay.

01:52:25.000 That guy lied about everything.

01:52:26.000 He lied about being a head coach.

01:52:29.000 He was an assistant coach.

01:52:30.000 Lied about his military rank.

01:52:32.000 Lied about whether or not he served in a war.

01:52:34.000 Lied about whether or not he was in Tiananmen Square. 1.00

01:52:36.000 He fucking lies about everything. 0.99

01:52:38.000 Well, see, what happened is, right, so Obama, who was obviously a very, very smart person, Guy and an incredibly talented politician, at least while he was running for president he was. 1.00

01:52:52.000 I think he's lost a step.

01:52:55.000 So Obama still was a bit of a narcissist, and he wanted to pick Joe Biden as his VP. He didn't want someone who was going to outshine him, and so he picked Joe Biden, who even before he went senile, was never particularly bright.

01:53:09.000 So he picked Joe Biden as his VP. And then...

01:53:14.000 Joe Biden, well, he wanted some diversity points, and he also wanted someone to not outshine him, because now he was becoming senile, and he was never that bright to begin with.

01:53:24.000 So he picks Kamala Harris to be his VP. And then Kamala Harris needs to pick someone who won't outshine her. 1.00

01:53:31.000 You know what I mean?

01:53:32.000 So it's like the idiocracy just spun out of control real quick, where all of a sudden you get to the third VP in a row, and you're like, yo, really?

01:53:41.000 This is who you picked? 1.00

01:53:43.000 He's a knucklehead. 0.90

01:53:44.000 You know what's crazy is that this was, in many ways, this presidential election was just so wild and so different from anything I've ever seen in my lifetime. 0.93

01:53:54.000 You know, I'm 41 and this was different than any other presidential election of my lifetime for sure.

01:53:58.000 And I think substantially before that.

01:53:59.000 I think anybody's lifetime.

01:54:00.000 Yeah, I think before that too.

01:54:02.000 But then there were these things that were also just like very conventional explanations for why you look at this Trump blowout.

01:54:10.000 And it's almost like as you look back at it, it's like, yeah, what you guys thought you could get away with?

01:54:14.000 It's just very basic things that like Donald Trump picked a VP who, whether you like him or not, is a pretty impressive guy.

01:54:22.000 Pretty impressive guy.

01:54:23.000 There's a guy who was raised by a single parent who was a drug addict and ended up serving the country, going to an Ivy League school, becoming a venture capitalist, becoming a senator, and can sit and have a conversation with you for three hours and be...

01:54:38.000 Very intelligent and expressive.

01:54:40.000 And have fun.

01:54:41.000 He has fun.

01:54:42.000 However you feel about him, objectively, an impressive person.

01:54:46.000 He picked a VP that could help him.

01:54:49.000 He could do things that Trump can't do.

01:54:51.000 You know, like he could go on a show and really make the case pretty well in a hostile environment.

01:54:57.000 He's got a very high verbal IQ, clearly.

01:54:59.000 You know, he's a very intelligent guy.

01:55:02.000 She picked a VP who can't do anything to help her. 0.97

01:55:05.000 Who's like the weirdest human being you've ever seen.

01:55:08.000 Like, what was the strategy here, guys?

01:55:11.000 And they actually, they really just banked on being not Trump.

01:55:15.000 They go, you know, all of the things that she ran on four years ago, she walked away from every position and didn't have an answer for any of them.

01:55:23.000 Didn't have an answer for why.

01:55:24.000 Like, it's totally fine to change things.

01:55:27.000 Sure.

01:55:27.000 We should have a reason.

01:55:47.000 What?

01:55:48.000 Well, okay.

01:55:49.000 But again, what's the answer then?

01:55:51.000 Like, you were for Medicare for All, now you're not.

01:55:54.000 You were for open borders, now you're not.

01:55:56.000 You were for whatever, a bunch of other stuff, trans surgeries for prisoners or whatever, now you're not.

01:56:02.000 What happened?

01:56:03.000 She had no answer for that.

01:56:04.000 She's also the sitting VP, and they go, oh, so are you running on the track record of the last four years?

01:56:09.000 Like, no, no, no.

01:56:10.000 I'm also not going to run on that.

01:56:11.000 Well, why not?

01:56:13.000 Because I'm not Joe Biden.

01:56:15.000 It's like, what?

01:56:17.000 That's what you're running on?

01:56:18.000 That's it?

01:56:19.000 It's just like, it was so unbelievable.

01:56:21.000 Meanwhile, so many people were behind her.

01:56:23.000 Which is even wilder.

01:56:24.000 It's wild that so many people were like, yeah, this is what we got. 0.99

01:56:27.000 So let's just fucking gaslight the shit out of half the country and run with it. 0.98

01:56:32.000 Let's see how far we can take it. 1.00

01:56:33.000 I gotta piss.

01:56:33.000 Let's come back.

01:56:34.000 We'll talk about this.

01:56:35.000 I did the sauna earlier.

01:56:37.000 Sorry.

01:56:38.000 It did an hour?

01:56:39.000 He's an old dude, man. 0.99

01:56:41.000 Old dudes with bad posture are different than old dudes with regular posture. 0.96

01:56:44.000 That's a very good point.

01:56:45.000 Once they get to like this, it's hard to keep your head up.

01:56:51.000 After a while, gravity just wins.

01:56:53.000 But Trump keeps on trucking.

01:56:55.000 He's the only guy that went four years in the White House and didn't get older.

01:57:00.000 Something really interesting about that.

01:57:02.000 Pretty the same.

01:57:02.000 Pretty the same four years later where everybody else looks like they've been near a nuclear blast.

01:57:06.000 You know what I... Of radiation poisoning.

01:57:08.000 Yeah, it's a really, really good point.

01:57:09.000 I've always thought there was something about like...

01:57:13.000 Just from doing stand-up, if you really try to remember back to your first few months in stand-up comedy, and you remember how daunting getting up in front of people was.

01:57:27.000 It's like a thing.

01:57:28.000 That's the first step to being a stand-up comedian.

01:57:35.000 It's like, hey, get comfortable with going up in front of a group of people and speaking into a microphone to them.

01:57:41.000 Get comfortable with not getting a laugh when you wanted to get one.

01:57:44.000 Get comfortable with that.

01:57:45.000 And there is something where, like, in 2016, You know, and people forget about this human element of it, right?

01:57:52.000 Like, Jeb Bush, okay, he's the son of a president, he's the brother of a president, and he was the governor of Florida.

01:57:58.000 It's not like he was a rookie, but when he's on that debate stage, he is stepping onto the biggest stage of his life.

01:58:07.000 He's never been in front of a crowd like that before.

01:58:10.000 Donald Trump, it's Tuesday.

01:58:12.000 Right.

01:58:12.000 This is what I do.

01:58:14.000 Donald Trump's cracking his neck and going out there like, oh, are all the spotlights and cameras on me?

01:58:18.000 That's about right.

01:58:19.000 Okay.

01:58:20.000 And he was so comfortable.

01:58:22.000 That was a huge factor in why he was able to just nuke everybody.

01:58:26.000 Because it's like, yeah, this is what I do.

01:58:28.000 I'm the center of attention.

01:58:29.000 These guys have never been there before.

01:58:31.000 Not like that.

01:58:31.000 He was funny when he was talking about the one-liner that he cracked about Rosie O'Donnell.

01:58:35.000 He goes, thank God I had that one because she was coming after me. 0.98

01:58:38.000 She was coming after me. 0.85

01:58:39.000 I had that one.

01:58:40.000 I got her with that one.

01:58:41.000 Well, he won her over.

01:58:42.000 He did.

01:58:43.000 Look at her.

01:58:44.000 Speaking for him.

01:58:45.000 Apparently, she crushed it and made fun of Mark Cuban. 1.00

01:58:48.000 Yeah, she did.

01:58:49.000 She did.

01:58:49.000 It was great.

01:58:50.000 Yeah, I watched it.

01:58:51.000 Can we watch it?

01:58:52.000 I haven't seen it.

01:58:52.000 She's very sharp.

01:58:54.000 They can tell he's very impressive.

01:58:55.000 She was the original Fox Fembot. 1.00

01:58:57.000 She was the original, like, super hot woman on Fox, who was so much smarter than you, and you're like... 1.00

01:59:02.000 Smarter and ice queen.

01:59:05.000 They're all wearing something very inappropriate. 0.99

01:59:06.000 Oh, yeah, I said vagina curtains. 1.00

01:59:08.000 I just have a bit about it. 0.92

01:59:10.000 Not even a good curtain, like the kind of grandma has over the kitchen sink that flutters when the breeze rolls by. 0.98

01:59:15.000 Like, Jesus Christ, you're inches away from vagina that's covered by the thinnest piece of cloth. 1.00

01:59:24.000 It's a wild way to dress. 0.99

01:59:26.000 It's a weird culture over there at Fox.

01:59:27.000 It's amazing.

01:59:28.000 Let's hear it.

01:59:29.000 Four years ago, we had Mark Cuban on the program.

01:59:34.000 May seem he was in the news this week.

01:59:37.000 And he started going on about how bad America's race history was and how ashamed he was of America.

01:59:42.000 And that's why I was at all these protests.

01:59:44.000 And he felt it was really important to stand up and speak out about human rights violations.

01:59:50.000 And then it got awkward when I asked him about all the money he was taking from China.

01:59:55.000 Then he dropped a bunch of F-bombs and I thought, I really enjoy this feeling of proving Mark Cuban wrong.

02:00:02.000 And so here I am at a Trump rally, a strong, intelligent woman to prove Mark Cuban wrong again.

02:00:18.000 Yeah.

02:00:18.000 That had a sting.

02:00:19.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:00:20.000 She's a beast. 1.00

02:00:21.000 Yeah. 0.60

02:00:22.000 That one had a sting.

02:00:24.000 Yeah.

02:00:25.000 It's funny, too, because she's not been in politics, but that was very politically savvy.

02:00:33.000 That was a really smart way to go at it.

02:00:36.000 Well, she was very demonized as well.

02:00:38.000 Remember when she went over to do that NBC show?

02:00:40.000 That was crazy.

02:00:42.000 They took her from Fox, they gave her a shit ton of money, and then they just didn't like her. 0.95

02:00:47.000 And it was over the lamest thing. 0.65

02:00:49.000 I forget even the comment.

02:00:50.000 Something about blackface Halloween costumes or something.

02:00:53.000 Well, it's like, can you pretend to be a person that you admire that's, like, if you want to be Diana Ross?

02:00:57.000 She was like, I don't think, what's wrong with that?

02:00:59.000 It's not a bad question.

02:01:02.000 There's one thing if you are mocking African-American people. 0.99

02:01:06.000 If you have, like, fucking Al Jolson blackface on. 0.99

02:01:09.000 But what if you want to be Mr. T and you're a 10-year-old kid and Mr. T's his hero? 0.99

02:01:14.000 Do you really think that kid's racist?

02:01:16.000 He puts a bunch of gold chains on and brown makeup on his face?

02:01:19.000 What are we calling blackface?

02:01:22.000 What does that mean, really?

02:01:24.000 Blackface in terms of Al Jolson type stuff, yeah. 0.85

02:01:27.000 They literally used to use white guys pretending to be black guys in movies so they didn't have to have black stars. 1.00

02:01:34.000 And they would be, like, overtly dumb. 0.99

02:01:36.000 It was very insulting. 0.99

02:01:39.000 It was clearly, like, we think lesser of these people.

02:01:41.000 But that's not necessarily the case if you just have the color black.

02:01:45.000 If you want to be Mike Tyson for Halloween.

02:01:48.000 You can do everything but the skin color, which is just bizarre. 0.71

02:01:52.000 Well, that's...

02:01:54.000 One of the other things that I do think has been very interesting over the last, really over the last couple years, I guess, and it's really on display with the Trump re-election thing, is that the culture has moved.

02:02:04.000 Did you ever see when I talked to Robert Downey Jr. about Tropic Thunder?

02:02:07.000 Yeah.

02:02:08.000 Could you do it today?

02:02:09.000 He goes, oh, you could do it.

02:02:10.000 Yeah, that was great.

02:02:11.000 That was such a great response.

02:02:13.000 He's great, man.

02:02:14.000 That is technically true.

02:02:15.000 You could do it.

02:02:16.000 I thought his conversation, the Avengers thing with Kama was goofy, but I love Robert Downey.

02:02:20.000 Yeah, that was a real interesting one.

02:02:21.000 I'd like to get him to eat meat.

02:02:22.000 Every time I look at him, I'm like, I'm very concerned.

02:02:24.000 Oh, is he?

02:02:25.000 That's right.

02:02:25.000 He's a California vegan.

02:02:27.000 Well, I do think there's some stuff that we look back at now, at like 2017, 2018, like the woke-ism of that era does seem to be like, yeah, things aren't quite as crazy as they were then.

02:02:41.000 Or at least there was a little bit of fatigue of it.

02:02:43.000 You kind of can't get away with it anymore.

02:02:45.000 Isn't that like the pendulum, though?

02:02:47.000 Doesn't it swing one way or the other way?

02:02:49.000 And ultimately it moves into...

02:02:52.000 It's moving towards a better direction for society.

02:02:56.000 And it's just a massive overcorrection.

02:02:59.000 And then you have hustlers and grifters who get involved in it and amplify the movement, right?

02:03:05.000 And all these, like, the Black Lives Matter girls who bought all the real estate. 1.00

02:03:08.000 There was also some accusation that they bought the house for substantially more Then a person paid for just recently before that, and they have a connection to that person.

02:03:17.000 There's some other shenanigans with that.

02:03:21.000 It's the communists who are always like, yeah, but I also want to be a millionaire.

02:03:25.000 It's wonderful.

02:03:27.000 It's wonderful when the grift gets exposed.

02:03:30.000 So I thought...

02:03:32.000 In the election this year, there were like kind of, and woke culture in general, so maybe broader than the election, but there were kind of like three major factors that I think were really interesting.

02:03:42.000 One was that I think the anti- For lack of a better term, the kind of anti-woke or non-woke people kind of won out in the marketplace.

02:03:56.000 There's examples of like...

02:03:58.000 Well, the Tom Brady roast is a huge example.

02:04:00.000 Yes, yes.

02:04:00.000 I think you were an example of that.

02:04:02.000 The Tom Brady roast was an example of that.

02:04:04.000 Shane Gillis' career was an example of that.

02:04:05.000 Tim Dillon's career is an example of that.

02:04:08.000 It's just, at a certain point, it's not even that Netflix changed their mind and they're willing to have these guys on because they had some ideological transformation.

02:04:17.000 It's just like, I don't know, dude, they're so big.

02:04:20.000 They have so many fans.

02:04:21.000 This is going to get a ton of views on it.

02:04:23.000 And a mix of that and also kind of for the first time, there was like a cost imposed with the Bud Light stuff and the Target stuff.

02:04:31.000 There were these kind of very effective boycotts where it's like, oh, you're...

02:04:35.000 There's gonna be a cost imposed on you if you do that. 0.98

02:04:38.000 The second factor with the Trump stuff and why they weren't able to get the shock troops out, and when I say the shock troops, I just mean the left-wing 20-year-old useful idiots who will come out and protest, yes, there's a fascist movement here, right?

02:04:52.000 So one of the things that happened, and this is part of why, you know, this is a non-controversial Explanation for 2020 versus 2024 is that in the year 2020, Joe Biden's central pitch to America was a return to normalcy.

02:05:10.000 Yeah.

02:05:10.000 And that was a very attractive pitch, I think, to a lot of people, especially if you can put yourself in November of 2020. Sure.

02:05:17.000 You know, you've gone through the craziest year ever.

02:05:20.000 And there's lockdowns, there's riots, the whole economy is a mess.

02:05:25.000 Well, Russiagate still being broadcast counseling. 0.99

02:05:29.000 And you're constantly going like, oh my god, Trump is crazy. 0.97

02:05:33.000 And then the reaction to him is crazy. 0.95

02:05:35.000 And then Joe Biden could just be like, listen, you know me.

02:05:38.000 I've been in the Senate for 700 years.

02:05:40.000 Let's go back to regular America.

02:05:43.000 The adults are in the room.

02:05:43.000 Yes.

02:05:43.000 Exactly.

02:05:44.000 And, by the way, okay, I'm not campaigning.

02:05:47.000 That's true.

02:05:47.000 I'm in my house the whole time.

02:05:49.000 But there's a pandemic.

02:05:50.000 That's kind of the responsible thing to do.

02:05:52.000 You know, Donald Trump's doing a super spreader event right now.

02:05:55.000 That was still the narrative at the time, even though none of it was real.

02:05:58.000 Didn't someone die from COVID that went to one of his events?

02:06:01.000 Yeah, I think maybe.

02:06:02.000 I vaguely remember this.

02:06:04.000 Was it Ben Carson?

02:06:06.000 Ben Carson...

02:06:07.000 He got COVID? Didn't?

02:06:09.000 I don't remember.

02:06:10.000 Who died from COVID that went to one of his early events?

02:06:13.000 Is Ben Carson dead?

02:06:13.000 I don't think.

02:06:14.000 I don't remember.

02:06:16.000 No.

02:06:16.000 I don't think it's Ben Carson.

02:06:17.000 I think somebody might have.

02:06:18.000 I vaguely remember this story.

02:06:19.000 There was some other guy who was a supporter of Trump who wound up getting COVID and dying.

02:06:26.000 Which, like, whatever.

02:06:27.000 Who even knows whether he got it there or whatever?

02:06:30.000 Let's find out what that was.

02:06:31.000 Well, he probably did.

02:06:31.000 I think it was a super-spreader event.

02:06:36.000 Yes, well, you know, it might have been.

02:06:38.000 I don't know these outdoor events.

02:06:39.000 I don't know if they really were or not.

02:06:41.000 They're all in tight proximity to each other, just like the flu.

02:06:44.000 Herman Cain.

02:06:45.000 Herman Cain, that's who it was.

02:06:46.000 That's who it was.

02:06:47.000 That's who it was.

02:06:48.000 Yes, I do remember that.

02:06:50.000 Ben Carson's still alive.

02:06:51.000 Sorry, Ben.

02:06:52.000 Ben, you're doing great.

02:06:53.000 He's a brilliant man, too.

02:06:54.000 Another guy who's, like, very dismissed.

02:06:56.000 Yes, yes.

02:06:57.000 I mean, he's a bit of an odd duck, but he's a genius, for sure.

02:07:00.000 You got the painting with Jesus behind him with his hands on his shoulders?

02:07:03.000 Like, hey, bro.

02:07:04.000 Yes, there's some weird stuff going on there.

02:07:06.000 But he actually is an interesting guy.

02:07:08.000 Brilliant guy.

02:07:08.000 Very, very brilliant.

02:07:10.000 But so, anyway, this pitch of, like, the return to normalcy in 2020 is...

02:07:16.000 Attractive.

02:07:16.000 It's attractive and it also, look, it fed into the thesis essentially of the entire corporate media was like, the problem is Trump.

02:07:25.000 The problem is Trump.

02:07:26.000 Everything was United States of America, then this Trump guy came in and ruined everything, you know?

02:07:30.000 Whereas the reality was always much deeper than that, that like, no, there were these huge problems and that's why a Trump-like figure was so attractive to people.

02:07:39.000 Yeah.

02:07:39.000 But then what happened is Joe Biden came in and nothing went back to normal.

02:07:42.000 It got even crazier than it was under Donald Trump.

02:07:45.000 So now people were looking back at the first three years of Donald Trump like that seems pretty normal compared to what we've been going through in the Biden administration.

02:07:53.000 So this sucked a lot of the energy out.

02:07:55.000 And also you didn't have the mystery of Trump.

02:07:57.000 He's going to be Adolf Hitler in there. 0.86

02:07:59.000 No, he's not.

02:07:59.000 He's been in for four years.

02:08:01.000 You know, in 2016, they were like, you can't trust him with the nuclear codes.

02:08:05.000 And there was a little bit of a plausible claim to that.

02:08:07.000 Like, I don't know.

02:08:08.000 He would be the first president ever with no political or military experience.

02:08:12.000 And he does seem like a little bit of a wild man.

02:08:14.000 But you can't really sell that anymore after he's been president.

02:08:17.000 So that kind of took away from the energy.

02:08:20.000 And another thing, and I don't know, I'm not saying I'm the only one making this point.

02:08:24.000 I haven't heard anyone else making this point, and I think this is a huge part of it, okay?

02:08:29.000 Like, a huge part of the reason why you didn't see tens of thousands of young people out protesting Trump at Madison Square Garden, and you only had like 100 people there, is because those young left-wingers, who were reliable shock troops for the regime over the last decade,

02:08:45.000 They've been protesting a genocide for the last year.

02:08:49.000 They've spent a full year protesting what they consider, and at least the International Court of Justice plausibly considers, a genocide.

02:08:58.000 And it's very hard to get someone who's been protesting babies being slaughtered to turn around and pretend that something else is way more of an outrage and especially to then go protest on behalf of the ones who are doing the genocide.

02:09:14.000 Right.

02:09:14.000 That you've been protesting against for the last year.

02:09:16.000 At least funding it.

02:09:17.000 Yeah, right.

02:09:18.000 I mean, listen, man.

02:09:20.000 Yes.

02:09:21.000 It's...

02:09:21.000 I mean, Israel...

02:09:24.000 Forget invading Lebanon or going to war with Iran.

02:09:27.000 Israel can't conduct the war in Gaza without the U.S. It's our weapons. 0.91

02:09:31.000 It's our money.

02:09:32.000 It's our intelligence that they're using to do this.

02:09:35.000 It's...

02:09:36.000 You know, America is...

02:09:37.000 If you view this as a genocide, which I don't really use that word too often, but I do view it as, like, just horrific...

02:09:44.000 And if you view it that way, there's no way that the U.S. isn't implicated.

02:09:47.000 This only happens because the U.S. is funding and supporting this.

02:09:52.000 And if you want to get those activists to get outraged at something else other than that, when that's obviously the most pressing concern globally.

02:09:58.000 It's very tough.

02:09:59.000 They've spent a year doing that.

02:10:01.000 And it really hurt her.

02:10:02.000 These young kids, you think of the difference between 2016 and 2020 and then 2024, podcasts.

02:10:10.000 Huge.

02:10:10.000 Way different.

02:10:11.000 They all listen to podcasts.

02:10:13.000 Everybody gets clips.

02:10:14.000 You hear opposing perspectives.

02:10:16.000 You hear very intelligent people come on and make arguments that you're not hearing on TV anymore and they get shared.

02:10:21.000 Even if it's just shared clips on TikTok or YouTube shorts.

02:10:26.000 Instagram reels, they're getting shared left and right, and you can't just keep a narrative going anymore.

02:10:32.000 You can't.

02:10:32.000 It doesn't work.

02:10:34.000 This came up a bunch when I was debating Chris Cuomo, but it's like even just the way they talk about you, where it's like, oh, these bro culture guys or something like that.

02:10:47.000 Again, I'm sorry.

02:10:50.000 Objectively.

02:10:51.000 Objectively.

02:10:51.000 This isn't an opinion.

02:10:52.000 What happens on this show is so much more intelligent and thoughtful and deep than anything that's going on at CNN. You just can't tell me.

02:11:01.000 You can't tell me that you sitting down with Elon Musk for three hours and then compare that to like Wolf Blitzer with all his graphics behind him talking for 30 seconds before he goes to a pharmaceutical commercial and then coming back and having the dumbest left winger yell at the dumbest right winger. 0.98

02:11:16.000 Really? 0.94

02:11:17.000 And you guys are going to act like you're the grown-ups in the room? 0.99

02:11:20.000 It's too ridiculous. 0.99

02:11:22.000 And that's right. 0.96

02:11:23.000 So the entire young generation, they've all turned that off.

02:11:27.000 None of them are getting their news from CNN anymore.

02:11:30.000 And look, man, that's, I think, the most beautiful part of this election.

02:11:35.000 Yeah, mainstream media is dead.

02:11:37.000 That was a wrap, son.

02:11:39.000 And certainly...

02:11:40.000 Not comparable anymore.

02:11:42.000 If you look at the numbers, like what are the numbers that CNN has for a regular show compared to like the numbers of the Trump podcast?

02:11:48.000 I don't think they have a show that regularly cracks a million views.

02:11:52.000 I think their biggest one is still under a million.

02:11:54.000 The Twitter, the X video that I posted when I posted Elon on the podcast, between me and him it got 65 million views in a day.

02:12:05.000 It's unbelievable.

02:12:06.000 In a day.

02:12:08.000 Yeah.

02:12:08.000 And that's not counting YouTube, which is like another, I don't know how many million he got on YouTube.

02:12:13.000 That's not counting Spotify.

02:12:15.000 Spotify, yeah.

02:12:15.000 We don't even know those numbers yet, because it was just two days ago.

02:12:18.000 Right.

02:12:18.000 65, between his account and my account, 65 million views.

02:12:22.000 And, you know, there was, um...

02:12:24.000 Like, the X is the number one news source on Earth.

02:12:27.000 Yeah.

02:12:27.000 On Earth.

02:12:28.000 It's the most trusted because it's the only one that's not fucked with. 0.51

02:12:32.000 So even if someone's incorrect, the community notes will correct them.

02:12:36.000 The community notes are rock solid.

02:12:38.000 It's a great way to find out what's real and what's not real.

02:12:41.000 And then you look in the comments and you see people debating it.

02:12:43.000 And it's happening in real time.

02:12:45.000 And it's happening whenever something breaks.

02:12:47.000 And it's way better than what you're going to get on corporate controlled media.

02:12:51.000 It's way better.

02:12:52.000 Elon Musk buying Twitter was at least as important as Trump winning the election again.

02:12:57.000 Maybe more.

02:12:58.000 The most important thing about Trump winning might be that he's able to stop them from coming after Elon Musk.

02:13:03.000 Well, that's a big factor, but I also think that Elon Musk buying Twitter, if that doesn't happen, I don't think Trump wins the way he wins.

02:13:12.000 Oh, 100%.

02:13:13.000 I think it's real tight.

02:13:14.000 I think if he does win, it's barely.

02:13:17.000 Okay, let's take podcasts out.

02:13:19.000 He doesn't win at all.

02:13:21.000 You take him being on Theo Vaughn, him being on me, him being on all these different Nelk boys, all these different parties. 1.00

02:13:28.000 Andrew Schultz.

02:13:28.000 Andrew Schultz, that was a big one.

02:13:30.000 Schultz was a big one because it got him to fuck around. 1.00

02:13:33.000 Yep. 1.00

02:13:33.000 You know, you see him laughing and joking around and Schultz is joking with them. 1.00

02:13:36.000 They're having a good time.

02:13:37.000 That humanized him more. 0.96

02:13:39.000 Do you see that Schultz, they fucking pulled his special from a theater three hours after the Trump thing got released? 0.94

02:13:46.000 Yeah, and then he did it at a bigger theater. 0.98

02:13:48.000 Of course.

02:13:49.000 Which, by the way, that's another thing that's changed that's really a fascinating thing to me, right?

02:13:54.000 So I've watched this happen, and I know you have too, where the canceling stopped working.

02:14:03.000 It was so effective.

02:14:05.000 And then all of a sudden, it just stopped working.

02:14:07.000 A big part of that is Elon Musk, for sure.

02:14:09.000 But there's other factors involved in it, too.

02:14:11.000 I mean, but I remember, like, there were guys in...

02:14:16.000 2016, 2017, who were very much like in the national conversation, and they got straight up removed from that.

02:14:24.000 Milo.

02:14:25.000 Milo Yiannopoulos, a great example.

02:14:26.000 When he went on Bill Maher, he had like, he killed it on Bill Maher, he killed it on your show.

02:14:32.000 Bill Maher compared him to Christopher Hicks. 0.89

02:14:33.000 Yeah, he went, you're like a gay Christopher Hitchens or something like that. 0.76

02:14:36.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:14:37.000 So now, and then he made the other guys look like fools, too. 0.88

02:14:40.000 So then he gets taken down, and he went from being a guy who was very much shaping the national conversation to being just removed from it. 0.89

02:14:50.000 And there were other guys...

02:14:51.000 A bit of a drug problem.

02:14:52.000 Yeah, I'm not even saying there weren't other factors involved, but there were a bunch of people like that who got removed.

02:14:57.000 And I do think...

02:14:58.000 I think the tipping point was when they came for you and it failed.

02:15:03.000 But it seems like around that time...

02:15:06.000 It stopped work.

02:15:07.000 Listen, I heard of Andrew Tate for the first time ever when he got canceled from everything.

02:15:13.000 That was when I didn't know who he was before that.

02:15:16.000 And then he was like, oh, the guy who got canceled for everything.

02:15:18.000 And now he's bigger than he ever was.

02:15:20.000 He was like the most Googled man from kickboxing.

02:15:23.000 Yeah, my kid asked me about him.

02:15:25.000 Because my kids were getting little videos off of TikTok.

02:15:28.000 This was before he got in, like, real trouble, when he was just starting to, like, the manosphere and a bunch of young guys resonating with it.

02:15:34.000 She goes, what do you think about him?

02:15:35.000 And I said, well, he's a legit kickboxer.

02:15:37.000 Like, I used to watch him kickbox.

02:15:38.000 He was, like, you know, in that organization, whatever organization, he was a champion.

02:15:44.000 He's legit.

02:15:45.000 He can fight, man.

02:15:46.000 Oh yeah, I've seen videos of him fighting.

02:15:47.000 He can really fight.

02:15:48.000 When he became like this Manosphere influencer, I was like, okay, that kind of tracks, kind of makes sense.

02:15:54.000 Right, right.

02:15:55.000 Well, the thing that I found so interesting was just, and it happened with him, a great example is Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, and then even the thing we were just saying about our boy Schultz.

02:16:09.000 It's like these cancellation attempts, all of a sudden they went from like, oh my god, this could ruin you, to like it's making you stronger.

02:16:16.000 Did you see when Tony went on stage last night?

02:16:17.000 No.

02:16:19.000 Bro.

02:16:19.000 At the mothership?

02:16:20.000 Bro.

02:16:21.000 It's like Richard Pryor showed up.

02:16:22.000 Do you have video of the opening?

02:16:24.000 Oh, yeah.

02:16:24.000 Oh, that's awesome, dude.

02:16:25.000 It's bananas.

02:16:25.000 They go nuts.

02:16:26.000 They go nuts when Tony's there.

02:16:27.000 This is the new dynamic now.

02:16:29.000 Yeah.

02:16:29.000 It's like the tool that they used to use to control the narrative is now losing them more and more of the narrative.

02:16:36.000 Not only that, Tony now has 35 minutes on the whole thing.

02:16:40.000 Really?

02:16:40.000 Yeah.

02:16:41.000 Oh, dude, that's great.

02:16:41.000 35 minutes on Puerto Rico, this whole thing.

02:16:44.000 Oh, is he going up tonight?

02:16:46.000 Oh yeah, I'll probably be up tonight.

02:16:47.000 I want to go watch that.

02:16:48.000 I'd love to go watch that.

02:16:50.000 That's the best thing in comedy, by the way.

02:16:52.000 The best thing in comedy is when there's a huge thing, and there's just something about when they got new, fresh stuff on the thing that just happened.

02:17:01.000 It's just the best part of stand-up.

02:17:02.000 Oh, it's my, like my N-word compilation joke.

02:17:05.000 Dude, I remember literally one of my favorite, like if I had to put a flag down on like five of my favorite moments since I've been in comedy, that show that we did at, what's it called?

02:17:18.000 The Vulcan?

02:17:19.000 Yeah.

02:17:19.000 It was before the Mothership was opened, but it was the day after it came out.

02:17:25.000 And it was amazing.

02:17:26.000 There was something surreal about it.

02:17:28.000 Watching you go on stage, In the moment where you're like in the crosshairs of the biggest cancellation attempt. 0.88

02:17:37.000 And then having you just do the bit on it is so goddamn good.

02:17:40.000 I mean, you put it out on your last special. 0.98

02:17:42.000 But watching it the next day after it just happened was like, there's just an energy about that that you're just like, oh shit, dude. 0.98

02:17:48.000 And it was just amazing. 0.98

02:17:50.000 It was an amazing show.

02:17:51.000 It's an opportunity to take something and turn it into a positive.

02:17:55.000 Take this moment and create a bit out of it.

02:17:58.000 Oh dude, my favorite show of the year was, I just literally, I happened to be doing a weekend at the mothership when Trump got shot.

02:18:12.000 I mean, I was leaving my hotel to walk over.

02:18:15.000 To the mothership.

02:18:16.000 And then just all of a sudden my phone started blowing up.

02:18:19.000 Like text, text, text, text, text, all this. 0.96

02:18:21.000 And I was like, what the fuck happened here? 0.99

02:18:22.000 And then I pulled the video and was like, oh shit. 1.00

02:18:24.000 And then that show, whatever the early show on that day, man. 0.99

02:18:29.000 If people were there, it was just the most fun.

02:18:32.000 It's the most fun part of stand-up where you're almost just like, you go like, well, forget what I thought we were going to be talking about today.

02:18:38.000 Because now we're going in a whole new direction.

02:18:40.000 What am I going to go up there and not talk about this for a half hour?

02:18:43.000 How is that possible?

02:18:44.000 How is it possible?

02:18:45.000 Especially for me.

02:18:46.000 It's like, well, I've got to go do this.

02:18:48.000 And it's just something beautiful.

02:18:49.000 That's the best part of stand-up comedy, man.

02:18:50.000 It's a great part.

02:18:51.000 And if you're there live, it's so fun.

02:18:54.000 It's so fun when you know someone is talking about something that just happened.

02:18:58.000 It's so fun.

02:18:59.000 And I've gotten messages and tweets and stuff like that from people who are at that show.

02:19:05.000 I'll still get someone.

02:19:07.000 I'll come up and just be like, dude, I was I was at that show.

02:19:10.000 At that time, I'm like, yeah, that was a good one, man.

02:19:12.000 That was a good one. 0.98

02:19:13.000 You don't get a whole lot of moments like that where the president almost gets fucking iced. 0.97

02:19:17.000 And then all the nutty people trying to say he staged his assassination attempt so that he could regain the White House, that it was a propaganda attempt. 0.99

02:19:25.000 Those are the nuttiest of left-wing people. 0.98

02:19:28.000 You think flat earthers are nuts? 0.98

02:19:30.000 You think a 78-year-old guy is going to allow some dude with iron sights to shoot and nick his ear from 140 yards away? 0.80

02:19:38.000 Well, also another guy did get killed there.

02:19:42.000 It seems pretty real.

02:19:43.000 And more than one person got shot.

02:19:44.000 Yeah.

02:19:45.000 I really wonder...

02:19:48.000 If Trump's gonna try to get to the bottom of that stuff, or if maybe he just doesn't want to even push it.

02:19:55.000 It's hard to know what happened there, but he seems like a Lee Harvey Oswald type dude.

02:20:01.000 He seems like a guy that they set up.

02:20:04.000 There's a lot to that story.

02:20:06.000 There's both stories with both of the assassination attempts.

02:20:13.000 Are very fishy.

02:20:14.000 There's just something that just doesn't add up.

02:20:16.000 But the one with Crooks is the most fishy.

02:20:18.000 Did you see the video of his dad?

02:20:20.000 His dad leaving Costco?

02:20:22.000 So he's got Costco with a whole full cart of stuff and there's a dude who's with him who's wearing gloves and a mask and sunglasses and a hoodie.

02:20:31.000 And this guy's helping him.

02:20:32.000 He's wearing gloves.

02:20:33.000 Yeah.

02:20:34.000 So he's not leaving any fingerprints anywhere.

02:20:36.000 It's the weirdest look.

02:20:38.000 This guy's...

02:20:39.000 And this is, like, recent, right?

02:20:41.000 So this is in the heart of COVID, where someone would be a nutty person who would dress like this.

02:20:45.000 It was really recent.

02:20:46.000 Yeah, I think so.

02:20:47.000 The assassination attempt was only a few months ago.

02:20:48.000 Yeah.

02:20:49.000 So you have Crook's dad, and his dad is pushing this shopping cart, and you've got this dude who's with him, who's, like, in full disguise with gloves.

02:20:59.000 It's very weird.

02:21:01.000 Well, look, I mean, so you have...

02:21:03.000 There's the first one where you have this guy is able...

02:21:10.000 And you can see this is all on videotape.

02:21:12.000 This guy is walking around scoping out that roof.

02:21:15.000 Look at this.

02:21:16.000 I don't think he's wearing gloves.

02:21:17.000 I think he's just wearing...

02:21:18.000 He's got his hoodie covering his hands a little bit.

02:21:20.000 Right there.

02:21:21.000 Oh, they're not gloves?

02:21:22.000 I don't think so.

02:21:24.000 Why do I think he wears gloves?

02:21:27.000 He is covering everything else up, though.

02:21:30.000 Are you sure he's not wearing gloves?

02:21:31.000 I see why you thought that, though.

02:21:34.000 It's a weird look, for sure. 1.00

02:21:36.000 Well, he's covering his fucking hands. 0.99

02:21:39.000 Yeah, he is covering his hands. 0.99

02:21:41.000 Okay, so they're not gloves.

02:21:42.000 So he's got a full mask on, he's got sunglasses on, and a hoodie.

02:21:47.000 And it's nighttime.

02:21:49.000 And this guy is...

02:21:50.000 Okay, so no gloves.

02:21:52.000 But it's just bizarre.

02:21:54.000 Very bizarre. 1.00

02:21:56.000 Obviously, the guy doesn't want people to know who he is, because he's with the father of the guy who tried to kill the fucking president. 0.97

02:22:01.000 Well, the fact that somebody could be able to get up on that roof with a rifle 130 yards away from the president, and then the excuses that they made made absolutely no sense. 0.97

02:22:13.000 In a sense, it was too sloped of a roof.

02:22:15.000 No, the lady didn't want to step down. 1.00

02:22:16.000 Yeah, all very strange.

02:22:19.000 And then the second one...

02:22:22.000 You've got a guy who has a felony conviction for possession of weapons of mass destruction, where he barricaded himself while police were pursuing him with, like, explosives or something.

02:22:35.000 Is that what he did?

02:22:36.000 Yeah, the charge was weapons of mass destruction.

02:22:40.000 I remember that, because, like, I didn't even realize that was a charge.

02:22:43.000 I thought that was just something Bush lied about.

02:22:45.000 But, evidently, there's a real criminal.

02:22:48.000 So he had bombs? 0.98

02:22:49.000 Yeah, you know, I don't know exactly what they were but I know that was the charge and it was a felony and then this motherfucker is recruiting for the Ukrainian war effort and is going back and forth to an active war zone trying to recruit Afghan fighters to fight in the war on the Ukrainian side and then he comes back and tries to assassinate Donald Trump and then the entire national conversation is like Is the rhetoric about Donald Trump too far? 0.98

02:23:18.000 And you're like, listen man, I'm not saying it's not plausible that if you call the guy Hitler every day, maybe some deranged young person will be like, I'm going to take out Hitler. 0.95

02:23:28.000 But when this guy is going and recruiting for the Ukrainian war effort, this doesn't sound to me like someone radicalized by Joy Reid.

02:23:35.000 You know what I mean?

02:23:36.000 This sounds like something a little deeper is going on.

02:23:38.000 And then there is, much like with Jeffrey Epstein, right?

02:23:41.000 There is no desire amongst the supposed journalist class To even look into it.

02:23:50.000 And then his son gets hit with child porn charges.

02:23:53.000 Yeah.

02:23:54.000 So, like, if his son knew anything about what was going on, no one's gonna listen to him now. 1.00

02:23:59.000 The fucking guy's jerking off to kids fucking. 1.00

02:24:00.000 It's just, look, at the very least, it's very bizarre. 1.00

02:24:03.000 And when you have a guy, you know, like, I'm not saying I've got, like, a case I could present in front of a jury and get a conviction, but when you've got a guy who has been targeted by the regime unlike any other political figure in American history, well, let's say since Kennedy, But more so,

02:24:18.000 because he just survived an assassination.

02:24:22.000 Kennedy got shot.

02:24:23.000 But the attacks on him, the lawfare attacks, are unprecedented.

02:24:28.000 The weaponizing of the legal system in front of everybody's eyes, like trying to find a crime.

02:24:34.000 Yeah.

02:24:35.000 No, that's right.

02:24:35.000 And so all of that, and then you see these multiple attempts happen.

02:24:39.000 You'd be crazy to not at least want to have some real investigation into this, some interest in looking at this and all that.

02:24:48.000 How about a press conference?

02:24:49.000 How about one press conference about crooks?

02:24:51.000 How about tell me what you know?

02:24:52.000 Did you get a toxicology examination or did you just burn the body?

02:24:55.000 Yeah, and we can't get into his phone.

02:24:58.000 He had no social media footprint.

02:25:00.000 Come on, dude.

02:25:01.000 His apartment was professionally scrubbed.

02:25:04.000 Didn't even have silver in his house.

02:25:05.000 Yeah, it's all just very strange.

02:25:07.000 I wonder, now that Trump's back in, does he look into that?

02:25:11.000 And I'm not even saying, you know, like, really, I just want Trump to end the war. 0.90

02:25:15.000 Listen, if Donald Trump...

02:25:17.000 If he secures the border, if he ends the war in Ukraine, secures the border, and...

02:25:25.000 Ramps up oil production inside the United States.

02:25:27.000 Ramps up oil production, does something to help the economy, put him on Mount Rushmore.

02:25:32.000 That's enough, man.

02:25:33.000 You know what I mean?

02:25:34.000 That's enough for you.

02:25:35.000 But I am curious.

02:25:37.000 I wonder where he is.

02:25:38.000 I always wanted to be on Mount Rushmore.

02:25:40.000 I believe I deserve it.

02:25:41.000 And I'll say we kick one of them off.

02:25:44.000 We're not making more room.

02:25:46.000 You guys, we could take a vote.

02:25:48.000 Can't you imagine?

02:25:49.000 I'll tell you. 1.00

02:25:49.000 Can you imagine the fucking sock hats screaming in the street if they change Mount Rushmore? 1.00

02:25:54.000 Yeah, TJ stays, but I'm thinking Lincoln's got to go. 1.00

02:25:57.000 No.

02:25:58.000 Lincoln's the man.

02:25:59.000 Lincoln was a wrestler.

02:26:00.000 Keep him.

02:26:00.000 Well, all right.

02:26:02.000 Fine. 0.86

02:26:02.000 Giant freak of a man. 0.86

02:26:03.000 Probably gay. 1.00

02:26:04.000 He was a giant freak of a man and definitely, I think, spent a lot of time in cabins with other dudes. 0.99

02:26:08.000 I think everybody was gay back then. 0.92

02:26:10.000 That's what I think.

02:26:10.000 It's possible.

02:26:11.000 I think there was a lot of gayness back then, and, you know, I based this on ancient cultures, like Afghanistan, all the gay shit they do. 1.00

02:26:18.000 Well, you also got to think, like, if you're in a world without, like, plumbing and toothbrushes and razors, fucking a man or fucking a woman, not that much different. 0.99

02:26:31.000 Not a whole lot different at that point, dude. 0.99

02:26:33.000 Especially if you're in a trench. 0.97

02:26:34.000 Yeah, at that point, you're basically like, you're having sex with an animal, is what you're doing. 0.99

02:26:41.000 But so many warriors in the past were gay. 0.99

02:26:45.000 Samurais did a lot of gay stuff. 0.98

02:26:47.000 Spartans did a lot of gay stuff. 0.99

02:26:48.000 A lot of gay stuff. 0.60

02:26:49.000 Well, it's one of the things that I think we've kind of found out with the trans stuff over the last few years, is that it's like, there are... 1.00

02:27:01.000 There are cultural norms that you can set up where people will do a lot of stuff that you might consider to be very bizarre.

02:27:08.000 And it's very easy when you don't have those cultural parameters to be like, no one would do that just because you made it acceptable.

02:27:16.000 Prison.

02:27:17.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.86

02:27:18.000 We're so gross. 1.00

02:27:19.000 If you leave us alone with no one but us, we just fuck each other. 1.00

02:27:22.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:27:23.000 That's how gross we are. 0.90

02:27:24.000 And it's like a punchline in a weird way. 0.98

02:27:27.000 It's just nothing like- It's also the one kind of rape you can hope someone gets. 0.87

02:27:32.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:27:34.000 I hope he gets raped in prison. 1.00

02:27:36.000 Kurt Metzger made this point. 1.00

02:27:39.000 I remember it was sometime during the Me Too movement.

02:27:42.000 Oh, I know what it was.

02:27:43.000 It was when...

02:27:44.000 Did you ever see the Law& Order episode where they did the Me Too comic?

02:27:48.000 No. 0.97

02:27:49.000 It's the most ridiculous thing ever, dude. 0.90

02:27:50.000 It was just, you know, Law& Order, they just got to bang out a half-hour show like every other day or whatever. 0.93

02:27:55.000 So it was at the height of like cancel culture, Me Too, and all this stuff.

02:28:00.000 And so the theme, I'm not exaggerating this, okay?

02:28:02.000 The theme is there's a shot comic. 0.94

02:28:06.000 And he's making all these rape jokes.

02:28:10.000 Now, of course, they do it in a way as if this would work at a comedy club. 1.00

02:28:14.000 You're just like, hey you, I hope you get raped! 1.00

02:28:16.000 And the crowd's like, yeah! 1.00

02:28:18.000 So they're at a comedy club.

02:28:19.000 I believe it was filmed at the Comic Strip Live.

02:28:21.000 I think it was there.

02:28:23.000 I'm not sure.

02:28:23.000 But it was at a comedy club.

02:28:25.000 So some girls get up and they walk out because they're very uncomfortable with like, oh my god, these rape jokes are not funny, blah, blah, blah. 1.00

02:28:31.000 Then the girl leaves, gets raped, Turns out it was the rape comic who rapes her. 1.00

02:28:36.000 And that's the... 1.00

02:28:36.000 It's the most ridiculous, like, goddamn story ever. 1.00

02:28:39.000 But this was an episode of Law& Order. 1.00

02:28:40.000 And then Kurt just started...

02:28:42.000 He made the point that he goes, you know on this show, it's just a regular thing that they threaten men with rape?

02:28:47.000 Like, every single time they're, like, interrogating someone, they go, guys, like, you don't do very well in prison.

02:28:53.000 You know what I mean?

02:28:53.000 And it's always just, like, the threat of, like, we will put you in a rape torture dungeon if you don't do X, Y, and Z. And I thought it was, like, a really brilliant point that that's just totally acceptable.

02:29:04.000 Threatening a man with rape.

02:29:05.000 Guys like you don't do very well in prison is a common saying, and we all know what that means. 0.99

02:29:12.000 They're saying you will be anally raped against your will. 0.99

02:29:16.000 But whatever, you're a dude, so who cares? 0.98

02:29:18.000 My friend was telling me about the American Taliban guy.

02:29:21.000 You know that guy that went over to join the Taliban? 0.98

02:29:24.000 He said they raped that guy like a thousand times. 0.97

02:29:27.000 He said, like, that guy was a prisoner over there for like four years, and they just raped him continuously. 0.98

02:29:33.000 And he said when he was working overseas, when he was deployed, he said you'd see guys raping guys all the time. 0.79

02:29:41.000 There was this one very slow guy that worked in the kitchen. 0.98

02:29:44.000 These guys were lined up to rape this guy. 0.87

02:29:47.000 There was one guy who had a colostomy bag, and the guy kept getting sick. 0.95

02:29:50.000 He had to get medevaced.

02:29:51.000 He'd get infected. 0.98

02:29:53.000 They found out they were fucking the hole where the bag goes into his side. 0.99

02:29:58.000 Guys were fucking the hole where his colostomy bag gets inserted. 0.99

02:30:03.000 That's not cool. 1.00

02:30:05.000 Yeah, but when you have a culture that says men can't have sex with women except to procreate, and the women have to be dressed up in a certain way and Not good. 0.99

02:30:15.000 You leave them alone with themselves.

02:30:17.000 It's very Freudian, man.

02:30:18.000 And it's old.

02:30:18.000 It's an old culture.

02:30:20.000 This is the Freudian observation, which is a very brilliant one, however people feel about Freud.

02:30:25.000 It's like you repress certain desires, and they reemerge in much darker ways.

02:30:32.000 You have to have a release valve.

02:30:34.000 Otherwise, it's like human beings go into very, very dark places.

02:30:39.000 Well, it's just people don't react well to other people telling them what to do.

02:30:43.000 And when I was in high school, the thing was Catholic school girls were always freaks. 1.00

02:30:48.000 Catholic school girls were wild because they didn't get to be around any boys ever. 1.00

02:30:52.000 They were just at school with girls.

02:30:54.000 They're all dressed in skirts, and they're all told that all those desires that they have, their bodies going through puberty, and they're just horny all the time, that they're bad.

02:31:02.000 And then they can't wait to get along with a guy like that.

02:31:04.000 And again, same thing.

02:31:06.000 Like, you repress it in one area.

02:31:07.000 It's just it re-emerges in a much uglier way than if you had just been re... 0.93

02:31:11.000 Catholic priests.

02:31:11.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:31:12.000 That's the best example of it emerging in the creepier way.

02:31:15.000 And you know why they did that with Catholic priests?

02:31:17.000 Why?

02:31:18.000 Because the priests were like rock stars. 1.00

02:31:19.000 They were fucking everybody. 1.00

02:31:20.000 So they said, you can't have sex anymore. 1.00

02:31:22.000 You can't get married. 1.00

02:31:22.000 But imagine saying to, like, a grown man that you can't ever have sex or jerk off. 1.00

02:31:30.000 That's the expectation. 1.00

02:31:32.000 The expectation is that you're supposed to never come.

02:31:35.000 And they would give you medication so that you couldn't get hard.

02:31:39.000 They'd give you saltpeter. 0.94

02:31:41.000 Yeah, you're going to draw...

02:31:42.000 If that's the job to sign up to, you're going to draw in some weird people who want to sign up to that job. 0.51

02:31:49.000 The most twisted.

02:31:50.000 What's that stuff called?

02:31:52.000 Is it called saltpeter?

02:31:53.000 Is that what they give them to make sure that they stayed impotent? 0.96

02:31:57.000 Kills their sexual desires. 0.98

02:31:59.000 I don't know. 0.94

02:31:59.000 I've never heard of this. 0.94

02:32:01.000 It's probably fucking poison. 0.99

02:32:02.000 I mean, what's doing that? 0.99

02:32:04.000 Probably, yeah.

02:32:04.000 What's doing that?

02:32:05.000 What's killing your testosterone?

02:32:07.000 Killing your sex hormones?

02:32:09.000 What else is it doing? 0.99

02:32:10.000 How depressed are you?

02:32:11.000 Yeah, that can't be good.

02:32:13.000 How many of them are alcoholics? 1.00

02:32:14.000 You ever go to a Catholic church and you see the guy speaking, whatever he is, bishop, whatever the fuck he is? 1.00

02:32:21.000 Big, stupid, blown-up nose because he's got gin blossoms all over his face. 1.00

02:32:27.000 He gets hammered every day. 1.00

02:32:28.000 He lives in hell. 0.99

02:32:29.000 He lives in hell. 1.00

02:32:30.000 He's probably a closeted gay guy that took this fucking job 45 years ago, and now he's like, this is my life. 1.00

02:32:35.000 Now I'm 60. Here I am. 1.00

02:32:37.000 What am I doing with myself?

02:32:40.000 That's all Peter stuff, Jamie.

02:32:41.000 Did you find it?

02:32:45.000 What is saltpeter used for and is it true it reduces certain carnal urges?

02:32:49.000 The second part of the question is easy to answer.

02:32:51.000 Saltpeter, the term refers to either potassium or sodium nitrate, has no effect on carnal urges.

02:32:56.000 The story that this chemical was put into soldiers' food to decrease their sex drive is a total myth.

02:33:01.000 But what about for priests?

02:33:02.000 That's what I had heard.

02:33:04.000 So is it one of those things they thought did that?

02:33:08.000 Symptoms can range from double vision and difficulty in swallowing to paralysis and death.

02:33:13.000 The spores of this organism lurk in many foods under the right conditions—lack of oxygen, low acidity—becomes active and liberate their toxin.

02:33:21.000 Sausages are the classic example of a type of food that can be affected.

02:33:25.000 And the word botulism, in fact, derives from the Latin botulus, meaning sausage.

02:33:32.000 Scroll back up again.

02:33:34.000 I feel like I picked this up at a weird place.

02:33:47.000 Okay, so this is the symptoms from botulism.

02:34:04.000 Does saltpeter come from botulism?

02:34:08.000 Okay, one of the serious aspects of it is one of the most deadly substances known to mankind is this botulism bacteria.

02:34:17.000 Okay.

02:34:17.000 Botulism can be prevented by the appropriate use of sodium nitrate.

02:34:21.000 Discovery that actually became about in an accidental fashion.

02:34:24.000 Salting of meat is an ancient method of preservation based on the ability of sodium chloride to kill bacteria by drawing out much of their water content.

02:34:31.000 About 500 years ago, some clever cook noted that the effectiveness of salt in preserving meat depends upon its source.

02:34:37.000 Furthermore, salt that worked particularly well improved the meat's flavor and color.

02:34:42.000 Okay, the secret turned out to be an impurity potassium nitrate, more familiar known as saltpeter.

02:34:47.000 Okay, so this is how they came up with it to combat botulism.

02:34:53.000 Okay, now what about how does saltpeter work?

02:34:56.000 What's the point of it?

02:34:58.000 Why would people take it?

02:34:59.000 I don't understand.

02:35:05.000 What's it say?

02:35:05.000 It went about priest, correct?

02:35:08.000 It was the original thing?

02:35:09.000 Yes.

02:35:11.000 Because this is what we had always heard when we were kids, that they would give priests Saltpeter to suppress their carnal urges.

02:35:19.000 So here it says, Saltpeter known for many purposes in the past, including as a curing agent, key compound of gunpowder.

02:35:27.000 This stuff does everything.

02:35:29.000 Yeah, but what about sexual urges?

02:35:36.000 They debunked the myth about Saltpeter lowering libido or sex drive.

02:35:42.000 It's false.

02:35:42.000 It's a myth that's been going around for years.

02:35:45.000 The myth started when...

02:35:46.000 What does it say?

02:35:47.000 Let's hear where the myth started when.

02:35:48.000 I wouldn't go with the QR. I'll just try Military Times.

02:35:51.000 Okay, but if you see where it says there, top answer.

02:35:53.000 I know those are all QR things.

02:35:55.000 Those are message boards, essentially.

02:35:57.000 Right, but I would just like to see what that person on the message board says.

02:36:00.000 I think it's kind of interesting.

02:36:02.000 The myth started with the military.

02:36:04.000 See this article from Snopes.

02:36:06.000 Popular myth promoted by youngsters in boarding schools.

02:36:09.000 Interesting.

02:36:10.000 Some are camps as well as men in the military in prison.

02:36:13.000 Some boys or men use this as an excuse for sexual performance problems.

02:36:17.000 Doctors and pharmacists have debunked the myth about Saltpeter.

02:36:20.000 Lowering the libido, prostate, or sex drive is false.

02:36:23.000 Even if some ignorant random prison did this to a group of inmates, they've proven it would not have the negative effects people keep saying it does. 0.92

02:36:31.000 But that doesn't prove that they didn't do it. 0.82

02:36:33.000 Right.

02:36:33.000 They're just saying it wouldn't work.

02:36:35.000 It doesn't work.

02:36:35.000 So maybe they like...

02:36:37.000 Tried to use it against, maybe it was like a theoretical thing that they thought was gonna, you know, like, wasn't that like Spanish Fly?

02:36:47.000 Do you remember Spanish Fly?

02:36:48.000 Yeah, that's the one Cosby bragged about, right?

02:36:52.000 That's the creepiest tape ever.

02:36:54.000 The creepiest.

02:36:55.000 He had a bit about it.

02:36:57.000 And then he did an episode about it.

02:36:59.000 They did an episode where it says, like, barbecue sauce or something like that?

02:37:02.000 His special barbecue sauce to get everybody horny?

02:37:04.000 What a weird...

02:37:05.000 How did, by the way, no one...

02:37:07.000 I guess in the 80s people had a lot of blinders on, but they were just like, hey, I got an idea for the episode. 0.99

02:37:12.000 Maybe it's like, you know, we're doing the Huxtable family and I just make my barbecue sauce and all the chicks want to fuck. 1.00

02:37:19.000 You're like, wait, what? 1.00

02:37:20.000 Why would you do that on the show?

02:37:22.000 For a family sitcom?

02:37:23.000 I thought we were going to do like Theo Gets in a Fight and then we have to talk to him about keeping his grades up.

02:37:28.000 The importance of homework.

02:37:29.000 Yeah, right?

02:37:30.000 It was just so out of the ordinary for what that show was.

02:37:34.000 And he's like, no, listen, I'm the star and it really means a lot to me that we do this episode.

02:37:37.000 How strange.

02:37:38.000 So I think Spanish Fly was another myth that people thought was real.

02:37:42.000 And I remember hearing about it when I was a kid, that you could give a girl a thing, whatever this Spanish Fly was.

02:37:49.000 What's the origin of Spanish Fly?

02:37:52.000 I stumbled across something crazy about this Saltpeter stuff.

02:37:56.000 Yeah?

02:37:56.000 Yeah.

02:37:57.000 I'm trying to read it.

02:37:58.000 I was trying to read through this fast so I could give you a quick answer.

02:38:01.000 There is a job, and it says in Sweden, I had to transfer this, saltpeter welder profession whose task consists of collecting urine-soaked earth in order to make more saltpeter because they used it in ammunition.

02:38:15.000 So they had these barns, I guess.

02:38:18.000 It says here, pissing men. 0.76

02:38:19.000 I was trying to get it here. 0.95

02:38:21.000 Wow.

02:38:22.000 And that's how they make gum powder?

02:38:24.000 Yeah, you'd piss on the ground into the soil, and then they'd get enough of that stuff together finally, and then you could make some gunpowder out of it.

02:38:32.000 How much experimentation did it take to figure out that, like, no, listen, dude, if I piss on the ground, I could make gunpowder.

02:38:40.000 You'd be like, how'd you figure that out?

02:38:41.000 You're like, listen, dude, it's a long story, all right?

02:38:43.000 I was doing a lot of stuff this weekend.

02:38:45.000 What year was this, 1830?

02:38:47.000 The 1600s, yeah.

02:38:49.000 1600s, they figured this out?

02:38:50.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:38:51.000 Oh my God!

02:38:52.000 That is wild!

02:38:55.000 Hold on, stop.

02:38:56.000 Scroll back up a little bit.

02:38:57.000 What does it say here?

02:38:57.000 All peasants, the priests made sure that no one was forgotten, were forced to deliver their imposed quota of saltpeter soil, along with ash, wood, and coal, to the nearest simmering plant.

02:39:10.000 The obligation was replaced in 1634 by a saltpeter tax.

02:39:14.000 The saltpeter Jews... 1.00

02:39:16.000 That's always the Jews. 1.00

02:39:17.000 Now, instead, came to collect the soil themselves from under the farmers' barns.

02:39:23.000 The saltpeter tax was replaced in 1801 by an obligation for each mantle to annually supply one half, what does that say, LI pound of saltpeter to the state?

02:39:36.000 What does that mean?

02:39:38.000 What is L.I. Pound?

02:39:39.000 Swedish.

02:39:40.000 Oh, okay.

02:39:41.000 1830, the saltpeter tax ceased entirely.

02:39:44.000 The farmers were required to have wooden floors in the barns in order for this saltpeter formation to take place.

02:39:49.000 They were required to have wooden...

02:39:51.000 This is crazy.

02:39:52.000 The peasants complained about these impositions and about the visits of the suds.

02:39:56.000 The simmering lasted annually from May 1st to September 29th.

02:40:01.000 The simmering consisted...

02:40:02.000 It continued for six to seven days or until an egg could float on the surface.

02:40:07.000 At this time, lime and ash were added, which caused the included common salt to crystallize and could thus be removed.

02:40:17.000 The whole thing was then allowed to cool down to about 25 degrees when the saltpeter began to crystallize.

02:40:22.000 The raw saltpeter was then transported to the gunpowder mills.

02:40:27.000 The boilers had to have the right to take fuel for the cooking. 0.99

02:40:32.000 Does that mean that they made like a little pond of pee, urine, and then they poured chemicals on it?

02:40:38.000 It sounds like they had a little pond.

02:40:40.000 I don't know what it would be.

02:40:41.000 It says it's simmering.

02:40:42.000 They must have had a vat of it.

02:40:44.000 They must have had like a big cauldron of piss.

02:40:50.000 Pissed dirt that they cooked until you could float an egg on the surface.

02:40:54.000 Oh, dude.

02:40:54.000 Bro, how did someone figure it out to your point?

02:40:57.000 How?

02:40:57.000 We're so lucky we live now.

02:40:59.000 Oh, my God.

02:40:59.000 I don't want to live in the time where I got pissed on the dirt to make gunpowder.

02:41:03.000 Well, by the way, people are going to be saying that in the future about this time. 0.99

02:41:06.000 God, thank God we didn't live in the time where the whole country was at war over the stupidest shit and controlled by this media that was completely controlled by corporations and everybody was being gaslit and people willingly gaslit themselves. 0.99

02:41:19.000 I've always... 1.00

02:41:19.000 I've always felt the one, you know, if you could try to guess, like, just say if we survive and things improve morally, like, what we would look back on and be like, holy shit. 1.00

02:41:31.000 And the two to me was always war and prison. 0.97

02:41:36.000 And especially, like, non-violent, you know, like, prisoners.

02:41:39.000 But even violent prisoners, you'd almost think, like, What, they didn't figure anything else out?

02:41:45.000 Right.

02:41:45.000 Like, they didn't figure anything else out other than...

02:41:47.000 But the idea of, like, putting non-violent, like, victimless criminals in a fucking cage. 0.99

02:41:54.000 Right. 1.00

02:41:54.000 Like, human beings, you just throw them in a cage. 1.00

02:41:56.000 It's slavery, dude.

02:41:57.000 Not just that, but you profit off of it?

02:42:00.000 Yeah.

02:42:00.000 So you have private prisons that are actually a corporation that lobby to make sure that certain laws stay on the books so that you could keep your prison stocked with live people that are essentially batteries that generate money for you?

02:42:14.000 And just the fact that that's still going on while...

02:42:19.000 We have all of these technological advancements.

02:42:23.000 If you go down to St. Jude's or something like that, and they're like, dude, they have all of this technology because all of these brilliant people are here to save babies' lives.

02:42:32.000 You know what I mean?

02:42:33.000 That's going on, and then also there's war still.

02:42:36.000 We haven't figured out a different way.

02:42:39.000 Everybody doesn't just agree.

02:42:41.000 Listen, obviously...

02:42:42.000 To just go on mass slaughter campaigns and have nothing but destruction is in nobody's interest.

02:42:47.000 So here's how we're going to solve these conflicts.

02:42:50.000 It does seem that if human beings survived for another hundred years and we are at a higher moral level, we would look back at that.

02:42:58.000 The way we look back at witch hunts or slavery or something like that would be like, that's insane.

02:43:06.000 That people were so evil that they would...

02:43:09.000 Like, they could do such evil stuff.

02:43:11.000 And that we could do such evil stuff in the age of information.

02:43:14.000 Yeah.

02:43:15.000 Yeah.

02:43:15.000 Like, very hard.

02:43:16.000 And maybe we are, like, moving in that direction where, you know, it does seem, for sure, I think that the fact that the war in Gaza has had more images Come out of it than any other conflict.

02:43:30.000 That's a huge part of the reason why there's so much protest against it.

02:43:34.000 Right, the advent of technology that's everywhere.

02:43:35.000 Everyone has a cell phone.

02:43:36.000 Very hard.

02:43:37.000 Very hard.

02:43:37.000 I think me and you might have talked about that last time I was on, right?

02:43:40.000 But it's like, even the war in Iraq, which is not ancient history, you know, it was still going on.

02:43:45.000 I mean, secondly, we still got troops there now.

02:43:47.000 But like the video footage that would come out would be like, you know, it almost looked like a firework, like kind of exploding, which is, that's easy to see and root for.

02:43:56.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

02:43:57.000 Like, yeah, good guy's kicking ass. 0.98

02:43:59.000 But when you're seeing a baby being pulled out of rubble who is just suffocated to death, oh, that's tough. 0.99

02:44:07.000 Tents on fire that were hit by missiles.

02:44:09.000 That's really, really tough, dude.

02:44:11.000 It's really tough to find a way.

02:44:13.000 There's still people out there who will find a way to try to justify it, but it's tough.

02:44:17.000 It's much tougher.

02:44:19.000 Well, that's sort of the divide today.

02:44:21.000 The divide today is objective reality versus what have you been saying.

02:44:28.000 There's objective reality versus you have a narrative.

02:44:31.000 The narrative is Israel has to divide Hamas, Hamas is using human shields.

02:44:37.000 That's the narrative.

02:44:39.000 The objective reality is blown apart children, and not just one, like tens of thousands of innocent people dead.

02:44:47.000 I was just watching this interview, I'm blanking on the doctor's name, but it was Dave DeCamp was interviewing him, who's, by the way, phenomenal, one of the best reporters in the country.

02:45:00.000 DeCamp Dave, D-E-C-A-M-P, Dave is his Twitter handle, he's phenomenal.

02:45:05.000 I'll follow him right now, how about that?

02:45:06.000 He's great, dude.

02:45:07.000 He's great.

02:45:09.000 He's over at antiwar.com.

02:45:11.000 He's Scott Horton's guy.

02:45:12.000 By the way, my guy Scott Horton just gave you and Jamie a copy of the book, Unprovoked, is going to be out I think in the next week or so.

02:45:21.000 I'm sorry, Provoked.

02:45:22.000 I didn't mean to say Unprovoked.

02:45:23.000 It's provokedbook.com, the best book written on the history of the Ukraine-Russia conflict and How America just blew it at every single opportunity.

02:45:34.000 Anyway, so Dave DeCamp is interviewing this guy who's a doctor.

02:45:39.000 He's an American who went over to Gaza.

02:45:40.000 He was a doctor.

02:45:42.000 And there was a big piece in the New York Times written about this where he said that every day that he was there, every single day, they'd treat toddlers with bullets to the head.

02:45:54.000 That they were just constantly seeing this.

02:45:55.000 And then he says that he also talked to a whole bunch of other, so his working theory on this was, when he first started seeing this, so he's in this one area in Gaza, and he was embedded there for a few months working at a hospital, and he figured there was like some lone,

02:46:11.000 sadistic sniper out there.

02:46:13.000 You know what I mean?

02:46:14.000 Like, these things happen in war.

02:46:15.000 But then he started talking to doctors from all other points of Gaza who were there at all different times who all said the same thing, that they're getting toddlers with bullet wounds.

02:46:23.000 And then, when the New York Times published this, a bunch of people who were defending Israel started being like, this isn't true, blah, blah, blah, the Israeli most moral fighting force in the world.

02:46:33.000 So he published the x-rays.

02:46:36.000 He's like, okay, you know, I'm a doctor.

02:46:38.000 I have the x-rays right here.

02:46:39.000 They published them.

02:46:40.000 It's just 100% is happening.

02:46:42.000 Like, it's just...

02:46:44.000 So what is happening?

02:46:46.000 I mean, Israel's been on a mass slaughter campaign of a captive people for over a year now, you know?

02:46:54.000 And they're shooting babies.

02:46:55.000 Evidently!

02:46:56.000 I mean, there's a doctor, he's an American, he's claiming it happened, and he has x-rays.

02:47:02.000 So, yeah, it seems like that's what's going on there.

02:47:06.000 And I mean, look, it's...

02:47:09.000 Obviously just so horrific, man.

02:47:11.000 The whole thing.

02:47:12.000 It's really amazing to me the way to watch the way people will rationalize and justify what Israel's doing. 0.86

02:47:19.000 It takes so much mental gymnastics.

02:47:21.000 It's always got to rely on...

02:47:24.000 It lets you know it's like, oh, so I get it.

02:47:27.000 You see, it's like, oh, how did human beings through all of human history have had slavery and And genocides and ethnic cleansing campaigns and at every step there's someone there who's willing to justify it and explain why we have to do this because this is the only way and really we're acting in defense.

02:47:43.000 That's what they all claim.

02:47:44.000 That's what the Nazis claim.

02:47:45.000 That's what they all claim.

02:47:45.000 They're really acting in defense.

02:47:47.000 Jesus Christ.

02:47:48.000 But again, we're gonna look back on this time.

02:47:51.000 The way people look back on concentration camps, the way people look back on the Mongol campaign, the way people look back on the Inquisition.

02:48:00.000 We're going to go, how?

02:48:01.000 How did they do this?

02:48:02.000 How were you allowed to just like...

02:48:04.000 And it's amazing the way people can compartmentalize it, too.

02:48:08.000 You know what I mean?

02:48:09.000 Like, it could just be like, hey, there's somebody who could be a totally loving dad and a good husband and all like that, but then can go to war and commit like...

02:48:18.000 Unspeakable horrors on other people.

02:48:20.000 It's just like they put that over here.

02:48:22.000 It's very hard to think about that or understand it.

02:48:27.000 Unless you talk to someone who's done it.

02:48:31.000 This is one of the most important things, the messages that I want to get to Trump.

02:48:37.000 And one of the things that I'm excited that Bobby Kennedy is interested in this as well is psychedelic therapy for veterans.

02:48:46.000 I think if there's a way to understand the benefits of psychedelic therapy for everybody, the real pathway is through veterans who I think are the most needing of it, the most deserving of it, the most...

02:48:58.000 The most neglected in terms of the horrors that they experience and having to carry this around their mind and that there's a way that many people have experienced relief and it's not available to them.

02:49:12.000 And it's not something that's dangerous.

02:49:13.000 It's not something that's addictive.

02:49:15.000 You literally can't.

02:49:16.000 You can't even eat enough psilocybin to kill yourself.

02:49:18.000 You can't do it.

02:49:19.000 You wouldn't be able to consume it.

02:49:21.000 So why?

02:49:22.000 And it's been demonstrated to really help, at least a lot.

02:49:26.000 And here's what's most important.

02:49:28.000 All of it became illegal in the sweeping Psychedelics Act of 1970 that was designed by the Nixon administration so that they could demonize anti-war protesters.

02:49:39.000 So they could arrest anti-war protesters, civil rights protesters, the Black Panthers. 0.77

02:49:44.000 They made all that stuff illegal because all these counterculture people were all using that to completely change the programming that they received in society. 0.99

02:49:54.000 Think about the irony.

02:49:55.000 Like the deep, deep irony that they made this stuff illegal because they thought if it was out there, they wouldn't be able to get their wars.

02:50:03.000 So they make it illegal and they get their wars.

02:50:05.000 And then it turns out that this is the thing that helps the people that are traumatized coming back from war.

02:50:10.000 But you can't have it because it's illegal.

02:50:12.000 Well, it's the clearest shift in culture.

02:50:14.000 Is that irony?

02:50:15.000 It's something like that.

02:50:16.000 It is irony.

02:50:16.000 It is irony, because it's the pathway to help for a lot of these guys that come back.

02:50:21.000 You ask them to do unspeakable things in modern society that are against the law, and you force them to do it.

02:50:26.000 You force them to go kill people.

02:50:28.000 They see their friends killed, and then they come back here and there's no tools, when there are tools. 0.61

02:50:32.000 But they have to go to Mexico to utilize these tools.

02:50:34.000 They have to go to Costa Rica and the Amazon.

02:50:37.000 They have to go to all these different places because it's illegal in the very place that sent them over there.

02:50:42.000 The very place that tells them it's legal for you to go kill people that you've never met, but it's not legal for you to take psilocybin that might help you get over the fact that you killed people.

02:50:52.000 I know my buddy Michael Heiss, he just started a media company called Dissident Media.

02:50:59.000 He's been big on this.

02:51:01.000 He's like an activist who's been working on the decriminalization of psilocybin for years.

02:51:05.000 And that's one of the major reasons, because it helps these soldiers so much.

02:51:09.000 We need to be kinder.

02:51:10.000 All of us to each other.

02:51:11.000 We need to, at this moment in time especially, and I've seen a lot of people saying we have to just accept the results, which I think is wonderful.

02:51:18.000 We do have to accept the results, but also we have to remember that we are one team.

02:51:23.000 This is Team USA, and there's plenty of room for everybody.

02:51:28.000 We all want the same things.

02:51:30.000 We all want to be healthy.

02:51:31.000 We want to protect our loved ones.

02:51:33.000 We want to be safe, And we want to prosper.

02:51:35.000 Everybody wants the same thing.

02:51:37.000 You want to be able to do what you want.

02:51:38.000 You want to be able to have a happy life and a healthy life.

02:51:41.000 This is the one shot that we get at this experience.

02:51:43.000 We can all do this together.

02:51:45.000 We can all do this.

02:51:46.000 And one of the ways that people can come to these conclusions and realize that we're all connected is through psychedelics.

02:51:51.000 I'm not saying that they're a perfect pathway.

02:51:53.000 I'm not saying that it's good for everybody.

02:51:55.000 I think it's dangerous for some people, particularly people that have a hard time with regular reality.

02:52:00.000 Regular reality is slippery for you.

02:52:03.000 If you have psychiatric conditions, maybe that's not the thing for you.

02:52:05.000 But for most of us, it would benefit us.

02:52:09.000 And we should have been exploring this. 0.98

02:52:11.000 And it was stopped 54 fucking years ago by a corrupt government that wanted to squash anti-war protests. 0.97

02:52:18.000 That car that I showed you when I was explaining to you. 0.98

02:52:21.000 Such a cool car.

02:52:22.000 That car exists because of drugs. 0.99

02:52:25.000 The ones afterwards suck. 0.98

02:52:28.000 The reason why the ones afterwards suck is that's a 1969 Nova. 1.00

02:52:31.000 When you get into the 1970s, cars turn to dog shit. 0.99

02:52:35.000 It's exactly after they cut off the psychedelics. 1.00

02:52:37.000 No one's making a good car on cocaine.

02:52:39.000 You need the psychedelics to make a cool car.

02:52:41.000 Exactly. 1.00

02:52:41.000 All the designs, they all turn to shit. 1.00

02:52:44.000 The classic cars are cars from the 60s and the 70s and the early 70s. 0.99

02:52:48.000 That's what people want.

02:52:49.000 Nobody wants 80s cars.

02:52:51.000 They don't want them.

02:52:52.000 They're worth nothing. 0.99

02:52:53.000 Nobody gives a shit about them. 0.98

02:52:54.000 But you find a 1969 Corvette, you look at it and you're like, whoa! 0.99

02:52:59.000 Look at that thing! 0.99

02:53:01.000 Because their designers were doing drugs, man!

02:53:03.000 They were wild people!

02:53:05.000 They were artists!

02:53:07.000 The music.

02:53:08.000 Look at the music between the 1960s and then going to the 1980s. 0.99

02:53:11.000 Like, what the fuck happened? 0.98

02:53:12.000 We had Hendrix and the Doors and the Beatles. 0.99

02:53:15.000 We had this wild experimental stuff.

02:53:19.000 Yeah, and if you've ever done psychedelics, you listen to that music and you're like, oh, I know what inspired this.

02:53:23.000 This is pretty easy to tell.

02:53:25.000 The entire Grateful Dead catalog, it's all psychedelically inspired.

02:53:28.000 And you almost have to be on psychedelics to appreciate them.

02:53:33.000 That all was squashed by this desire to...

02:53:37.000 Stop people from protesting and a horrible unjust war.

02:53:41.000 Yeah, and look man I mean that I think that's a great message to get to Trump like let these guys like they were they were like the bravest amongst us who got totally tricked and bribed and Propagandized into going to these wars and then they come back and they're blowing their brains out by the tens of thousands Yeah,

02:53:58.000 and there's something that might help.

02:54:00.000 Yeah, that is very low risk of of Almost no risk of actually hurting, and it really might help.

02:54:06.000 No risk of addiction.

02:54:07.000 But even better than that, man, would just be keep us out of these wars. 0.99

02:54:11.000 Keep us out of these fucking wars. 0.99

02:54:12.000 Let's just not fight them, man. 0.99

02:54:14.000 And look, I will say, this is one of the things that I'm really optimistic about, is that of that team that we were talking about earlier that Donald Trump's got around him, you know, all those people like Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy and J.D. Vance and Tucker Carlson and all these guys,

02:54:32.000 David Sachs.

02:54:34.000 David Sachs is probably the best.

02:54:36.000 They're so good on Ukraine.

02:54:38.000 Every one of them.

02:54:39.000 Like, they're all just like, yeah, no, this makes no sense.

02:54:42.000 This is such a clear-cut situation where you could easily make a deal.

02:54:46.000 Vladimir Putin, and I know I've talked about this on past shows, and anybody, go listen to those and go read Scott Horton's amazing book, Provoked, but just very quickly, It is all but accepted at this point.

02:54:58.000 Nobody's even debated.

02:54:59.000 When I first came on the first podcast that we talked about Ukraine, a few years ago now, when I said, oh, there was a peace deal that was agreed to in principle by Ukraine and Russia, and then Boris Johnson came in on behalf of the U.S. to make sure they didn't negotiate a peace and kept the war going,

02:55:18.000 there were a bunch of people who were like, oh, that's not true, and blah, blah, blah.

02:55:22.000 And now it's just been totally, like, Like, 100% I was right about that.

02:55:26.000 They had a peace deal worked out.

02:55:27.000 And then since then, the guy whose name I always butcher, but it's Norwegian, so I don't know how to, Strasselberger, the head of NATO, he came out and said, and he was bragging, but he goes, you know, Vladimir Putin, before he invaded Ukraine,

02:55:43.000 told us that if we just put it in writing that we would not bring Ukraine into NATO, that he wouldn't invade.

02:55:49.000 And we told him, no, because we won't be bullied by you.

02:55:54.000 So he's like bragging about how they had an opportunity.

02:55:56.000 All they had to do was say, we will not bring your biggest neighbor into our military alliance, which is very clearly against you.

02:56:05.000 The most reasonable demand.

02:56:07.000 Now, I'm not saying it's reasonable that he invaded.

02:56:09.000 That's not reasonable.

02:56:10.000 But it is a totally reasonable demand if the U.S. was to say, now Mexico can't be a part of China's military alliance.

02:56:16.000 Seems super reasonable.

02:56:17.000 So he's got so many great people around him on that.

02:56:21.000 But...

02:56:24.000 It's not exactly the same with the Israel-Gaza war, where it seems like a lot of the people around him are not so great on that.

02:56:32.000 Some of them are.

02:56:32.000 Some of them are really good on that.

02:56:34.000 Why don't I organize a podcast with you, me, and him?

02:56:39.000 Now you're speaking my language.

02:56:41.000 Let's go, Dave Smith.

02:56:42.000 Dude, let's do it.

02:56:43.000 Let's go.

02:56:44.000 Listen, I voted for him.

02:56:47.000 I've been supporting him and stuff.

02:56:48.000 Yeah.

02:56:48.000 But, you know, I think I would love to do that.

02:56:51.000 But whether it's me or not, I just hope that he gets the message through somehow.

02:56:56.000 And I know it's a complicated thing to navigate because Israel has a lot of influence.

02:57:01.000 On our government.

02:57:02.000 And he's got people like Vivek Ramaswamy and Tucker Carlson who really are non-interventionists and don't want to see American taxpayer dollars being used to fund wars around the world, no matter who it's for.

02:57:14.000 It's like, hey, we're broke.

02:57:15.000 We got our own problems here and we can't afford to do this.

02:57:18.000 But then he also has...

02:57:22.000 Miriam Adelson, who cut him $100 million and is probably going to give another $100 or $200 million to congressional candidates in the next midterm election and all of this. 0.99

02:57:32.000 And she is singularly focused on one issue.

02:57:35.000 And that issue is that we always unconditionally and unwaveringly support Israel, no matter what they're doing. 0.61

02:57:43.000 We're gonna set up that conversation.

02:57:45.000 Let's do it, bro.

02:57:46.000 We're gonna set that up. 0.99

02:57:47.000 Dave Smith, you're a fucking national treasure. 0.99

02:57:50.000 You really are. 1.00

02:57:51.000 You're a national treasure.

02:57:52.000 You're so important.

02:57:54.000 And the fact that you can talk about these things, you have such great recall, but you're also funny, is so important.

02:58:00.000 I'm so happy you're out there.

02:58:01.000 Well, thank you.

02:58:02.000 And that means a lot to me, particularly just because it's coming from you, dude.

02:58:05.000 And I'm like, dude, I've been so goddamn impressed with you since well before I ever knew you.

02:58:10.000 And I'll tell you, after the last couple weeks, dude, I'm like, I just can't even believe it.

02:58:14.000 I can't even believe it's real, dude.

02:58:16.000 But thank you.

02:58:17.000 Thank you for having me again.

02:58:18.000 My pleasure.

02:58:19.000 And anytime.

02:58:20.000 We'll do it again.

02:58:21.000 Thanks.

02:58:21.000 We wrapped it up.

02:58:22.000 All right.

02:58:22.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - November 07, 2024

Joe Rogan Experience #2225 - Dave Smith

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