In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience podcast, I sit down with a good friend of mine, a former Green Beret who served with the elite United States Army Rangers and the elite SEAL Team Six. In this episode, we talk about his experiences in Afghanistan and Iraq, how he dealt with the man-on-man culture, and how to deal with the cultural differences that come with being in a war zone. I hope you enjoy this episode and it opens your eyes to some of the things you can do to improve your life in order to be a better human being. Joe is a legend in the military, and I can't wait to see what he does next! Peace, Blessings, Cheers, and Cheers. -The Joe Rogans Experience Podcast by Night, by Day, All Day! -Joe Rogan: Train By Day, Train By Night, By Night - All Day All Day by Night All Day, by Night by Day - by Day All Night by Night - by Night By Day by Day By Night By Night - By Day By Day by Day by Night by day by Night This episode was inspired by a conversation I had with my good friend and former Army buddy, Lt. Col. John Rocha, who served in the elite Special Operations Forces in Afghanistan. John talks about his experience in the war zone and talks about what it's like to be in a combat zone. and what it s like to go back to civilian life after combat by night by day, day by day. This is a must listen to, by night, by day and all day by night. By Night by night by the night by night... This episode is all day, all day and night by day by Night by by Day by night by all day -by day, by -By Night By Night, , by Morning And Night and Night By . & , By , After Day - by , and I Podcast podcast by Day by day , , All Day , "By Podcast by Podcast, -Let's Talk About podcast, I'm podcast - I am podcast? we're podcast. , What are podcast ? podcast ,
00:01:42.000You assume everybody, every man is basically like an American male because that's at 26 or 27 years old.
00:01:50.000You know that there are cultural differences for sure, but I'm telling you, I was in Kuwait for the first time early on, and I The Kuwaitis like to hold hands.
00:02:35.000You're walking around holding another man's hand, and you've never really done it, probably since you were a kid, maybe holding your dad's hand when you're like three or four years old.
00:02:44.000And in Special Forces, they tell you, you know, you have to work with the cultural differences.
00:03:23.000Like, you know, you're questioning all your reality, like, oh my god, you know, and then after a few years, you know, time and repetition and war or whatever, somebody goes to hold your hand, you're like, get the fuck away from me.
00:03:53.000And honestly, like, a lot of that is really good because it does teach you to be a lot more open as far as listening to what they're going through from their tribal plights.
00:04:46.000I was living and working with the Afghans, and I went from Iraq, and I did the invasion with special forces from the south, and I did multiple rotations in Iraq, both with SF and then with the agency when I went over there.
00:05:04.000And then when we shut down Iraq in 2009, I turned around and basically went to Afghanistan in 2009. So I went from Iraq to Afghanistan, and I went from Afghanistan, kind of finished up my CIA combat,
00:05:21.000I guess, experience, and then went back to the States to do a training thing.
00:05:26.000But by the time I got to Afghanistan, I had lots of time in Iraq.
00:08:41.000I had an Arabic linguist, and he was a younger kid.
00:08:49.000You know, he was blonde hair, blue eyes, a Mormon kid.
00:08:52.000And he literally joined the army at 18. You know, two years later after going to the Defensive Language Institute in Monterey, California, you come out and you're speaking Arabic, basically.
00:09:04.000And young kid, blonde hair, blue eyes, good Mormon kid comes out and he's with us.
00:09:11.000And the Kuwaitis kept talking about how they wanted to take him camping.
00:09:46.000Like, I know, yeah, it exists, but I'm so, you know, blithely, like, moving through the world, like, thinking everybody's an American male, right?
00:10:43.000Yeah, they're all a little bit different.
00:10:45.000The Afghanis, we had to have, depending on Where we were in their barracks living situation like you had to put really hard restrictions like You know no, but fucking guys for the majority of this because This is a health issue.
00:11:04.000We weren't like it's not like we were we were putting Bibles on their beds or something I just say hey, this is really unhealthy you guys are gonna spread a bunch of different diseases to one another and like we've got a mission to to accomplish here and And every SF guy, every guy that's been in Afghanistan knows what Man Love Thursday is,
00:11:22.000and it's kind of a thing that they do.
00:12:28.000Socially indoctrinated in the children, like the sexual exploitation of children.
00:12:34.000So it starts early and then it moves into the adulthood.
00:12:37.000Bacchabazi is a real thing, and it's dressing up.
00:12:44.000boys to look like girls and they have some Afghanis when I say some I don't know how pervasive it is but it's very it's a big percentage and the adult male stuff that's like one sub-segment of their culture but it's the sexual exploitation of children that when you find that out that's when things really turn for you psychologically you're like This place is really
00:13:18.000You know, if you go back and you read The Kite Runner...
00:13:24.000When I read The Kite Runner when I was in Afghanistan, I realized that it's not only the story about this kid, but it's also the story of Afghanistan.
00:14:18.000They're on parade, even, you were saying.
00:14:20.000The guys would parade around their harem?
00:14:22.000Kandahar and different areas, they'll have parades and they're on display as to, this is my harem, and they're proud of it.
00:14:35.000And that was one of the most disturbing things that we would talk about specifically between the departments, between Department of State, CIA, and the military.
00:14:45.000When you're out with the guys from a tactical and combat role, you see them and you interact with the way they are from a tactical level.
00:15:06.000But if you were on the ground in Afghanistan during the times I was there, honestly, from, you know, 2001, we'll say, to the time that we pulled out, everybody uniformly would agree with what I'm saying.
00:15:18.000If you spent some time in Afghanistan, you knew that was happening.
00:15:57.000It also makes it harder For you not to want to change the entire government system where you want to completely rewrite the entire DNA of the cultural infrastructure.
00:17:57.000This is the thing that people didn't want to talk about in Afghanistan that we talked about regularly, which was these are very what we feel are distinctly wrong.
00:18:15.000Things from an American support, tactical and strategic intervention, like we should not encourage this whatsoever.
00:18:23.000And it made it very difficult at times for us to trust with the State Department or somebody else was saying.
00:18:31.000But I mean, this goes back to Iraq and honestly trust in policymakers and the State Department and their entire position, either politically, philosophically.
00:18:45.000So when you're hearing about this, one of the things about child molesting is that if these kids are growing up in this culture where they're going to be an adult and they're going to do that to kids as well,
00:19:01.000which has probably happened to all these guys, right?
00:19:06.000You're not going to fix that with all these people alive.
00:19:10.000The culture gets to a point where it's so fucked It's like, how can you ever fix that?
00:19:17.000How many generations would it take before the scars of all those people being abused wears off and normalizes and people can be normal again?
00:19:27.000People can be like what we would consider a Western civilization, like London or New York.
00:20:15.000Basically, a failed state with Taliban and extremist control.
00:20:21.000I mean, as the Taliban moved in, fundamentally, it's an evil organization.
00:20:28.000There's a soccer field in Kabul where the Taliban used to stone women to death because they weren't wearing their hijab.
00:20:39.000The rule of a woman would be raped and she would be accused of infidelity on her husband and they would stone her or they would beat her with a stick and they turned the soccer field into a place where they could have public displays for execution.
00:21:01.000When you think about it from where we're coming from and then where we're going and we're trying to nation build, which I have fundamental disagreement with that as well, but...
00:21:16.000You eliminated the educated portion of your population.
00:21:24.000You swung to a very extremist, fear-based religion, and then it was all based on the Quran as far as their education system.
00:21:35.000So they completely separated the women away from being able to evolve.
00:21:39.000They treated them as beasts of burden.
00:21:41.000You had to be an Islamic extremist to be acceptable.
00:21:44.000It was a completely hegemonic theoretical state or hegemony as far as like it's the theocracy ran everything and it was very extremist version of Islam.
00:22:01.000And as we came in, and I wasn't there in 2001. I came there much later.
00:22:07.000I came there in 2009, was my first real rotation there.
00:22:11.000It had been seven years, but really, it was almost like going back in time.
00:22:19.000It felt like you were going back in time like a thousand years.
00:22:22.000That's one of the things we were talking about in camp, that when you hear about Socrates and all these ancient cultures, the Spartans, all these people that had boys, and you see what's going on in Afghanistan,
00:22:37.000you realize how old a culture Afghanistan is.
00:22:41.000It's like one of the oldest civilizations in terms of the way they behave.
00:22:45.000It's almost like they never caught up with the Western world.
00:23:27.000And when you think about, like, Alexander the Great, Alexander the Great who was gay, right, who conquered much of Afghanistan and giant swaths of the world...
00:23:37.000He probably like his army and his behavior and what he probably stained that area was like a type of behavior.
00:23:50.000I think that you had portions of the world were culturally cut off from being able to evolve at the same rate as some of the other places within the Middle East.
00:24:02.000And those tribes essentially haven't had the opportunity to evolve because they've been very isolated.
00:24:07.000I mean, you look at Afghanistan, it's an extremely isolated area of the world.
00:24:11.000And if you go back to the 70s, it was relatively progressive, somewhat secular.
00:24:17.000And then the Soviet intervention, the collapse, the failed state led to the rise of the Taliban because they had eviscerated all of the intellectual and the economic class.
00:24:31.000And in order to succeed or live there, you had to completely capitulate to the theocracy and the fascist state.
00:24:39.000So you had to go back in time to live.
00:25:17.000It strips away at the goodness in your soul, watching desperation.
00:25:25.000And when you see homeless children every day in these cities that are dirty, starving, and there's really not a lot you can do because you have a war to fight.
00:25:41.000And you not only think about it from the homelessness position, you think about the exploitation position.
00:26:55.000For lack of a better term, man, you have to build a callus on your soul.
00:26:59.000Because you can't function and meet and exceed your mission success criteria if you get steamrolled by depression on what you're seeing every day.
00:27:16.000Time and repetition, which is one of the big problems, I think, with the GWAC community, at least what we've had in the last 20 years.
00:27:23.000I mean, there's lots of different compounding factors that I think contribute to the acceleration of veteran suicide, which I want to launch into some rant about the issues that I think we're all faced, but it's definitely something that I'm extremely passionate about.
00:27:43.000We've talked about this a bunch of times in this podcast, but I'm really hoping that something's going to change with RFK and about psychedelics and veterans.
00:27:52.000I really, really am hoping that they open their eyes to this stuff.
00:27:58.000I was talking to Marcus Capone and he runs Vets, which he's the guy, his organization is the organization that takes the guys to Mexico to do Ibogaine.
00:28:07.000And Marcus is a retired SEAL. I was talking to him yesterday, actually.
00:28:17.000I'll go off on this, which is, you know, we as a subculture from the Global War on Terror community, the veterans, we're under an epidemic of suicide and depression.
00:28:27.000And the VA has not been a help to us, especially the warfighters, like the guys that we have rogered up time and time and time again.
00:28:38.000They've gone overseas, we've done the bidding for the country.
00:28:42.000We've watched our friends get killed and fucking torn in half in very ultra-violent ways.
00:28:48.000We've been exposed to overpressure and chemicals and all these other things.
00:28:51.000And then we come back, and within the VA system, their answer is, here's your pills, here's your retirement, shut the fuck up.
00:30:47.000So, you can send me to Iraq under false pretenses, and, you know, you can have Wolfowitz and Cheney and Rumsfeld and all these, like, orchestra of fucking idiots can send us all to Iraq for weapons of mass destruction.
00:31:04.000We can go fight the wars, come back, And now we have to break the law to go fix what's wrong with our heads or, you know, our emotions or not only our psychology, but, dude, we're broken.
00:31:18.000Like, we've been beat up and kind of shoved in a closet and then we're sedated and told to shut the fuck up.
00:31:27.000And, meanwhile, you know, Wolfowitz and Bremer and all these other guys, they get to walk around and provide, you know, public speeches about how fucking great they are because they're, you know, strategically important, whereas my peer set, we're under an epidemic of suicide,
00:31:44.000our kids are committing suicide, the VA's no help to us, and we have to go break the law.
00:32:47.000My close friends have done either ayahuasca or ibogaine, neither of which they would say is a good time, all of which have said, all of which, 100%.
00:32:56.000And they've come back and been not only fundamentally changed but better.
00:33:04.000And these are, you know, my business partner, Jared Taylor, he's gone and done ibogaine.
00:33:32.000I'm not exactly familiar with all the data associated with it.
00:33:36.000But the fact that we aren't leading the charge as a country to come up with dynamic, out-of-the-box solutions...
00:33:46.000For the guys that have gone overseas and done the hard and courageous tasks for this country and they come back and they can't get help and we're not pushing the envelope?
00:35:14.000And, you know, war is such a strange and surreal circumstance because it changes you for good, it changes you for the bad, and I've looked at this a lot.
00:35:27.000And I looked at life experience like a radio wave, almost like a band where you have highs, you have lows.
00:35:33.000And most people, we'll call it 90 plus percent of the United States, their frequency only gets so high and only gets so low.
00:35:41.000And it basically stays within, we'll say, a fairly small band within the center.
00:35:48.000Combat, what happens is you go really high and you go really low and it forces you outside of social norms on a second to second basis.
00:35:57.000And then you do that over and over and over again.
00:36:00.000And so one person might get in a car wreck in their life and that goes really low.
00:36:05.000So it's a really high adrenaline dump and it goes really low because they have an injury.
00:36:34.000And then you're doing that night after night, week after week, and it fundamentally changes you because you have to chop all of this down because if you get too ramped up and too chaotic, you're going to lose control and you won't be able to complete your mission criteria.
00:36:55.000You also won't be able to achieve your mission criteria.
00:36:57.000Your survival instincts kick down, so it chops your ability to feel all the way down to a normal person's bandwidth because it's a survival mechanism.
00:37:10.000So, from a combat experience perspective, the first time you feel it, and I'll tell you, the first time I was in an ambush, I was losing my shit.
00:37:27.000I mean, anybody who tells you they're not fucking scared, they're either, like, fundamentally flawed, they're like Travis Pastrana, he doesn't have, like, a fear portion of his brain, or they're just lying.
00:37:38.000Like, you're scared out of your fucking mind.
00:37:40.000Like, going north, like, driving north into Iraq, you're looking into the deep, dark abyss of the unknown, and you're like, what the fuck?
00:37:55.000Projected casualty rates was that we were going to lose most of our ODA. So you're stepping into a situation where you're going, okay, well, I know out of this six-shooter that I'm going to play Russian roulette with, there are four bullets in this.
00:40:43.000So, but we end up pushing through and then consolidating at the end of this.
00:40:51.000And fundamentally, this changed my tactical experience in combat forever because my team leader, who I respect and love, he was killed two years later.
00:42:17.000We hit a checkpoint, and they light us up.
00:42:20.000And so now I'm alone in a car with another guy and the CIA chief.
00:42:27.000And the entire Iraqi army in Mosul, Iraq, is essentially pursuing us through the...
00:42:32.000I mean, Mosul is the size of Los Angeles, and I started at the north end of Los Angeles, basically, and had to work my way to the southern end of Los Angeles being shot at.
00:42:44.000And, um, and I'm trying to sort through the problem, man.
00:42:48.000Like, I got a fucking map sheet, and you don't know, I mean, this is, this is Mad Max and the fucking Thunderdome, and Mosul was one of the most fucked up cities in Iraq.
00:42:57.000Like, it was, it looked like going back to Stalingrad in different sections of this place.
00:44:43.000Like, the Kiowas, like, they saved our life, because they had the roads blocked off on the bridge, and I was basically smoking in it, like, 100 fucking kilometers an hour.
00:44:53.000And the Kiowas came down and, like, literally dropped their fucking skids on the front of the car and panned around, like, we're gonna kill all you fuckers.
00:45:06.000I looked over at one of the guys I looked over and like flipped them off and it was like you Dead you know and then Like like parting the seas like Moses or whatever they've moved the fucking cars and we we drove back in that was it so bookending my point of that conversation was I was losing my shit my first one right and I came back and I was talking to Kiowas and they were like,
00:45:36.000bro, we didn't know how bad this was because it sounded like you were ordering a pizza.
00:45:41.000But everything, everything in between was like...
00:45:48.000Rep after rep after rep after rep was like, calm down, keep your shit together.
00:45:55.000And one of my really close friends, this guy Jeff Kirkham, my first team sergeant, awesome fucking guy, one of the most tactically relevant people in my life.
00:46:07.000He's like, psychology is more contagious than the flu.
00:46:10.000So when you start losing your shit, it infects everybody else around you.
00:46:58.000Internally, You can barely keep your shit together, but what you do is you're like, okay, but I gotta project this, because if I infect everybody else with my chaos, I'm injecting more chaos into the equation,
00:47:16.000and we're all going to run the possibility of dying because of this, because of my actions.
00:47:21.000I think that's why people gravitate towards inspirational figures.
00:47:25.000It's because they're trying to get some of that psychology.
00:47:28.000They're trying to get it worn off on them.
00:47:30.000You know, great quotes and great feats and fascinating people.
00:47:35.000You want to absorb some of that psychology.
00:47:38.000That is such a great quote, though, because it's so true.
00:47:41.000If you're around someone that's freaking out, you're trying to keep your shit together, it's so hard to keep your shit together.
00:47:47.000You can't, but if you're around a bunch of dudes, they're surgeons and stoic, and there's no flexion, what I would say is like, in the time and repetition in the community, I mean, there's a default emotion that is acceptable.
00:51:31.000And not only did he become a problem, it was like the decision makers were so poor at that point early in the war.
00:51:40.000It started to really affect me in the sense of like I was still bought and sold.
00:51:45.000But I started to really think these guys might not know what the fuck they're doing when...
00:51:54.000It was like Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld and Brennan.
00:52:00.000When they de-Bathified Iraq, so after we invaded, they did this thing called de-Bathification, which was basically they fired the military and everybody that was involved in the bath party.
00:52:12.000And once again, we're in the team room, and we're watching CNN, and it's Rumsfeld talking about we're de-Bathifying Iraq, we're firing everybody.
00:54:01.000Like, fuck, like, like, um, I lived Iraq, right?
00:54:07.000And then I was like, well, I think time and repetition in thinking that you're dead for that long and then searching for not only some, some, what I would say is good in the war itself because there is good.
00:54:25.000You have your buddies and You have the camaraderie.
00:54:38.000Fundamentally, it turns out it's probably not good for you psychologically, I guess.
00:54:42.000And so I went to Afghanistan thinking, well...
00:54:47.000And I went to train Afghanis for a force up there.
00:54:52.000And when I went to train those guys, it was, hey, if I can train Afghanis to take on the war, maybe I can protect 18-year-old kids from getting their fucking legs blown off.
00:55:04.000Maybe I can protect the 20-year-old kid from Nebraska from getting fucking RPG stuffed through their face.
00:55:15.000And I was older, and I was also willing to die.
00:55:19.000So the kids, when I say the kids, you know, 18, 20 years old, like, man, it's not...
00:55:47.000Yeah, and so you go from, you know, Iraq to Afghanistan, you know, and I'm watching all this stuff unfold, and there's, like, there's, and I don't want to say it's all negative, because there's, you know, there were things that were very positive,
00:57:47.000But when you have an orchestra of idiots that are manipulating the courageous men and women of our country to go into these wars based on a neocon pipe dream, and there's no consequences,
00:58:05.000you know, you can pull out of Afghanistan and leave billions of dollars of equipment.
00:58:27.000You know, they get to go paint paintings and they think it's okay.
00:58:30.000Imagine no consequences for lying about weapons of mass destruction.
00:58:34.000And has there ever been a large-scale investigation as to what led them to either believe or to push the narrative that there was weapons of mass destruction?
00:58:45.000Well, I think if you read, I mean, there's a lot, I think there's a lot of like, there's a lot of books out there, obviously, and whether or not you have to kind of sort through the actual documents and figure out like where these guys were at.
00:58:58.000And I've spent a little bit of my life trying to understand from their perspective.
00:59:02.000And I honestly think big part of it is the guys who are making the decisions.
00:59:08.000Their hubris, their utopian belief that they were going to be able to rebuild Iraq like Houston.
00:59:56.000There's a difference between having a high IQ and having the experience and repetition, seeing death and destruction, seeing people's lives fucking torn apart, and then understanding something from reading a book or thinking about it from an economics perspective.
01:00:12.000And, you know, I think Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Cheney, They had this belief that they could do anything they wanted to validate this.
01:00:26.000They had to data mine information and pull and pluck from different analysts that agreed with them.
01:00:33.000But most of the intel community didn't agree with them.
01:00:36.000They're like, we had defeated the Iraqi army to the point when I say defeated it.
01:00:41.000Like, if we go back to the 90s, we say Desert Storm was 91. And then from that point forward, you can basically say, you know, HW to Clinton administration, Clinton administration with the economic sanctions, and with the integrated bombing campaigns that they had led throughout the 90s.
01:01:03.000Stuffed that guy back into a hole where the only thing he could do is sell oil in the black market.
01:01:10.000He had a fascist state where he and his family had complete control out of the country, but he wasn't going to be a threat from an international terrorism perspective.
01:02:03.000They're listening to these people and they were living in their own echo chambers, validating this idea that it was better for regime change, for the international, not only the international economy, but it was going to be a stable petroleum-based country where we could integrate democracy into And none of these guys were Erebus.
01:02:27.000None of these guys actually understood the Middle East.
01:02:32.000They didn't have any combat experience.
01:02:34.000They didn't really have any combat experience from the long-term, low-intensity conflict, guerrilla warfare perspective.
01:02:43.000They were given not only the information, but most of the information they were given was saying, this is going to be much more complex than you think it's going to be.
01:02:59.000Not only the opinions, but the information, and they went ahead with their fucking plans anyway.
01:03:04.000Rumsfeld chopped, single-handedly dictated how many people were going to participate in the war.
01:03:10.000Like, he was dictating how many divisions it was going to take, and he's like, actually, I think you could do it for half that.
01:03:15.000Like, he was like trying to negotiate how many guys that Tommy Franks was going to use to invade Iraq.
01:03:23.000Tommy Franks didn't have the balls to say actually I need two more divisions so a lot of this is just like fundamentally These are professional politicians and bureaucrats drinking their own piss like I was saying earlier You know like you can drink your own piss once or twice before your kidneys start to shut down and it'll fucking kill you right?
01:03:42.000These guys are all sitting around In their echo chambers, talking to the same types of people, defining how they were going to send servicemen and women to Iraq, and they were wrong.
01:03:56.000Not only were they wrong, but they were told otherwise by lots of different people to include...
01:04:02.000I mean, Tony Blair had a lot of different issues with this.
01:04:07.000Colin Powell essentially sold this and got the dominoes to fall on the entire thing.
01:04:13.000Because they knew that Colin Powell was so respected that if he sat in front of the UN with Tenet, who was the director of the CIA, right behind him and held up this little thing of VX or whatever it was, that they could push it across the line from the international community.
01:06:31.000So my friends that have gone through the GWAT, which I'm extremely happy...
01:06:38.000For all these GWAC guys that are getting appointed to these positions, you've got Pete, you've got Tulsi, JD, they fundamentally know what war is, and when you have decision makers that have never been to war and their kids will never go to war...
01:07:19.000I am more than happy to go chips in on that narrative than I am to go, oh, we need to invest and put more time, money, energy into creating more chaos and destruction in the American service members lives or the lives of other people.
01:07:37.000Did you ever see that speech with Mike Pence and Tucker Carlson?
01:08:56.000Public filth and disorder and crime have Exponentially increased, and yet your concern is that the Ukrainians, a country most people can't find on a map, who've received tens of billions of U.S. tax dollars, don't have enough tanks.
01:09:11.000I think it's a fair question to ask, like, where's the concern for the United States in that?
01:09:18.000Tucker, I've heard that routine from you before, but that's not my concern.
01:09:22.000I'm running for President of the United States because I think this country's in a lot of trouble.
01:09:27.000I think Joe Biden has weakened America at home and abroad.
01:09:31.000And as President of the United States, we're going to restore law and order in our cities, we're going to secure our border, we're going to get this economy moving again, and we're going to make sure that we have men and women on our courts at every level that will stand for the right to life and defend all the God-given liberties enshrined in our Constitution.
01:09:49.000Anybody that says that we can't be the leader of the free world and solve our problems at home has a pretty small view of the greatest nation on earth.
01:10:00.000And as President of the United States, we will secure our border, we will support our military, we will revive our economy and stand by our values, and we will also lead the world for freedom under my administration.
01:12:06.000Bizarre like his face doesn't move did you have Botox at 80 like what the fuck is going on like you're weird I think they have low IQs and they're pushing that thing to the red That's why they're actually so afraid to do anything because they're like I have they're like I'm really pushing this thing I've got like a hundy like a 105 but my parents were rich So I went to Yale if I break outside of my box actually people are gonna know that I'm a fucking retard so right Well,
01:12:33.000I do also think that if you're that ambition, you have ambition at that level, and you're so driven to become the alpha that you want to be the president, the amount of work that's involved in that doesn't leave a whole lot of room for reading.
01:12:49.000Doesn't leave a whole lot of room for watching documentaries and having important in-depth conversations with people, expanding your understanding of the world.
01:13:19.000And the fact that these actors can rise to a position where they can actually dictate what these military veterans do and don't do when they have no knowledge or experience in this.
01:13:31.000The fact that that's a real thing is fucking crazy.
01:14:27.000Yeah, I did just as an intelligent person, a statesman.
01:14:31.000I felt like he's probably like caught up in the system.
01:14:34.000It's very difficult to make real meaningful change.
01:14:37.000You know, you think you're going to do something and then you get into office and you're like, oh God, what a fucking quagmire this place is.
01:14:42.000But watching him just straight up lie about Trump, the thing that got me was that very fine people thing, the white supremacist thing.
01:14:51.000They just kept trying to say that he was a racist.
01:14:53.000Which is this thing that I think worked in like 2017. I think it worked back then.
01:18:55.000And so they only want you to pay attention once a year when they're going to try to get everybody galvanized around a couple little stupid things and then get them out to the voting booth, but not too many.
01:19:03.000We don't want a lot of complex thought out of the voters.
01:19:07.000We don't really want them to think about too much.
01:19:10.000We still got a national deficit that we gotta increase, and I gotta line the pockets of all my buddies, Raytheon, Northrop Grumman, and Lockheed Martin.
01:20:17.000Didn't have the ability to do that or if she did nobody brought it out of her I was hoping I could I really was I was hoping I could have a conversation with her there's all this talk now that the reason why she didn't do it is because of Progressive people in her party the pushback right which might have some truth to it But for the record they offered me two very specific days And in different places in the country to travel and then go do it and do it for an hour.
01:23:04.000I saw them do it with me during the COVID thing.
01:23:06.000And it was all motivated by the pharmaceutical drug companies and the profits.
01:23:09.000And they were terrified that someone's going to come along and somehow or another put a notch in this little thing that they've created, which is a devious little thing that they've done, where they eliminated all sorts of other remedies.
01:23:20.000They cut out all these generic drugs that possibly could have been used to help people.
01:23:26.000They denied people the use of monoclonal antibodies.
01:23:29.000They pushed the fucking shit out of this one thing so they could make money off of it.
01:23:33.000And they did it in collusion with the media.
01:24:28.000If you talk to someone long enough, there's patterns in the way they talk, the way they think.
01:24:34.000The way they consider things, whether or not they can admit that they're wrong, or whether or not they can tell you why they changed their mind.
01:25:47.000And Dave and I were talking about this, and when you can just be authentically engaged with people, Where you can just be yourself.
01:25:57.000And that's part of the issue with, I think, a lot of vets and why they connect really well with vets is because you can just authentically engage with people and say, this person knows I'm a little bit broken.
01:26:13.000This person knows that I've probably done shit that I'm not super proud of.
01:26:16.000And they know that I've got a dark sense of humor.
01:26:20.000But I can like just kind of open, I can open my heart and just have a real conversation with somebody.
01:26:37.000And these artificial bullshit conversations that we have throughout our day with people we don't give a shit about or these like, you know, inauthentic, unreal, you know, veneer people.
01:26:47.000It's like, I have no interest in having a conversation with a fake person.
01:27:17.000The number one top of the food chain, well, I guess rock star.
01:27:20.000Rockstar and movie star are number one and number two maybe interchangeable Maybe they're the same same if it's a ten like biggest stars in the world.
01:27:27.000It's movie stars and rock stars and movie stars Everything you do is about your relationships with people, and whether or not people think you align with them politically, and whether or not you support the right causes,
01:27:43.000you wear the bow tie at the Oscars, you act proper, you do all the things that you're supposed to do.
01:27:48.000And if you do all the things you're supposed to do, then you get into the club.
01:27:51.000And if you don't do all the things you're gonna do, then they're not gonna use you.
01:28:35.000They wouldn't let him advertise on certain social media networks because they said it was during the time of the election and it could affect the election.
01:29:09.000He was at fucking full-on Alzheimer's.
01:29:12.000That's the thing with this whole social media, you know, censorship, demonization, like the way that they've...
01:29:20.000They honestly, and I want to say they, like, there's a big group, and you, I mean, you were talking about it the other night, even with your show, with the Trump show, and then it's not trending, you can't even find it.
01:29:34.000The firearms community on YouTube deals with this all the time.
01:29:39.000You know, the guys that have the huge YouTube channels from a firearms perspective, they're demonetized, they have to upload multiple times, they're in like a constant battle.
01:29:48.000My good friend Collins, Coleon Noir, his fucking show, he can't get it to grow.
01:31:05.000People obviously want to watch and they can't increase their reach or they get demonetized and they're constantly screwed with over and over and over again.
01:31:16.000And that's the way that I think a lot of us have felt we've been living under the thumb of our social media oligarchs that are deciding whether or not our information is agreeable to their political opinion.
01:31:31.000Did I ever tell you the time that I was having a conversation with a Facebook or YouTube executive?
01:31:36.000And my wife had to grab my leg under the table and stop me.
01:32:31.000That's Douglas Murray's amazing book that has been proved now to be absolutely accurate in his assessment of what was going to happen to Europe with Muslim integration.
01:32:47.000Okay, so you have two public intellectuals who are having a conversation about cultures and about the What is different about these Islamic cultures and their desire to impose Sharia law, like at least in certain areas.
01:33:04.000So they're having this conversation and it gets labeled as it gets flagged off this guy's account.
01:33:11.000So I find out about this video because this guy has an account and I don't remember where he posted it, maybe Twitter, but he said, I got flagged on YouTube For having this in my playlist as something that I watch, like not even something he hosts on his channel.
01:33:27.000So I asked the lady, I said, why would someone get flagged for a conversation?
01:34:38.000You're just lucky there's no cameras here.
01:34:40.000What you're saying is absolutely crazy.
01:34:42.000Like, who are you to make that distinction?
01:34:44.000And do you have any idea how that affects us culturally when a person like yourself who lives in this fucking San Francisco, this whole bizarre tech cult bubble, that's what you live in.
01:34:58.000And you want to impose this crazy leftist perspective on everyone in the world to the point where you're not even allowing two world-renowned public intellectuals have a public discussion about this in front of an audience.
01:35:13.000Dude, I would deal with that all the time where people, I would talk about I spent most of my adult life in the Middle East.
01:36:22.000Let people figure out who they agree with.
01:36:26.000And if you just shut down discourse and say that it's hate speech, and you're defining hate speech as no slurs, there's no, like, we gotta kill all these people, there's none of that.
01:36:37.000You're saying hate speech is disagreeing with a narrative that all leftists must ascribe to, regardless of any objective assessment of the facts.
01:36:47.000Sitting down and looking at it and go, you know, I don't think I agree with this aspect of it.
01:36:52.000Like, I think that, like, telling women that they have to wear a hijab everywhere, you're not giving them the choice.
01:36:58.000Not giving someone choice is just fundamentally bad for the race, for humans.
01:37:05.000Anything outside of a meritocracy in the context of being able to evolve a conversation based on the best idea wins.
01:37:11.000And when you're chopping out 50% of your population and saying they're beasts of burden and where they belong is just essentially for- Basket of deplorables.
01:37:58.000I had, like, a tiny little, like, belt-fed machine gun that I'd have to wear, because I'm a small guy, right?
01:38:02.000I'm a hundred and fucking sixty pounds, and so I would often be the woman, because I could, I could be the fucking, I got a feminine frame, man.
01:38:12.000Yeah, I got, you know, birthing hips, of course, but, uh, You know, I could get a little saw, which is a squad automatic weapon, a little belt-fed machine gun, a couple frags underneath a hijab, and I could sit in the back seat.
01:40:07.000Isn't it wild, though, that that religion, the absolute most suppressed religion, suppressive religion when it comes to women and gays, are the ones that the progressives are so vehemently defending?
01:40:20.000That's the one they defend over all religions.
01:40:24.000A leftist will accuse you readily and quickly of being Islamophobic.
01:41:25.000But I think that's so funny because when I listen to academics, you know, I'll pull up a YouTube and I'll go down a rabbit hole on a certain thing and I'll listen to an academic and then half of them, I shouldn't say half of them,
01:41:41.000like a good portion of them, they're talking about things they've never actually experienced.
01:41:46.000So, for me, I've lived in the Middle East.
01:41:55.000I've lived and interacted and been in these cultures and seen them in a very vivid way.
01:42:04.000And when I say this, tactical and combat experience, specifically in these countries, it's very vivid.
01:42:13.000And part of the problem with this differentiation, let's go back to it, but this differentiation between the decision makers and the people actually implementing the tactical execution on the ground is that there's a huge disconnect from the reality.
01:42:29.000They don't have the wisdom To understand what it is.
01:42:32.000And what I used to tell people is I was almost like a zookeeper.
01:42:38.000I would usher, depending on the person, I would usher them through the fucking zoo so they could see what's going on, but they would see it from afar.
01:42:45.000And I kept the lions from eating them.
01:42:48.000And there's this very clear differentiation between the people in charge, and most of them shouldn't have been in a combat zone, specifically in the agency.
01:42:57.000They should not have been in a combat zone.
01:43:00.000And when you unpack the agency and you look at...
01:43:03.000You have paramilitary guys and they're more than qualified to be there.
01:43:07.000And then you have like the cocktail circuit guys.
01:43:09.000And they're just trying to get their combat tour so they can get promoted to another fucking spot.
01:43:15.000But they actually have no business being there.
01:43:17.000Meaning, they need guys like me to keep them alive.
01:43:21.000Oh, so they're just getting in days for the ledger.
01:44:04.000They should be in Germany going to a cocktail party, like, pretending like they're really cool because they have high intellect, but they have no context to you.
01:44:13.000Going down to the basis of reality, and these are, like, rules of the jungle.
01:44:19.000Like, this power is the only language they speak.
01:44:25.000Intellect your way out of this thing because a fucking bullet is a bullet a bat is a bat like it will win over your articulation every time if you want to win a debate and You just put an axe handle through somebody's fucking head.
01:44:38.000That's how you win right that's like it doesn't matter it doesn't matter so like they bring in this asset and she's like oh you know this His asset is the guy.
01:44:49.000He's going to give us the coordinates to Bin Laden.
01:44:52.000We've been working with him for a long time.
01:45:47.000But that's a perfect example, and I mean, there's like multiple different examples of...
01:45:52.000There's a different cadence mindset and capability associated with what I would say is the paramilitary guys versus the case officers, the spies.
01:46:08.000They tried to intermingle because of capabilities and more importantly promotions to try to get people like promoted, which is another reason why some significant things have to change over there.
01:48:11.000He calls me and he's like, hey man, I heard you had quite an exchange with somebody and, you know, we don't really appreciate, you know, this and, you know, I might have to send you home.
01:48:23.000And I was like, did she tell you what she did?
01:48:26.000He's like, no, I just thought she got in the car and you told her like, you know, you fucking dumb, whatever, and give me your gun.
01:49:48.000Yeah, and more importantly, that's not their job, right?
01:49:51.000They're collection people, and I'm defending them to a certain degree because they're very high IQ, their selection criteria in their course is very difficult.
01:51:35.000If they only knew the bureaucratic steps that it took to get into it, where it's just so much paperwork and interviews, and it's like, who is this guy?
01:52:46.000Where, you know, looking out the window, kind of just being a passenger in history and then being able to talk to some of these guys.
01:52:53.000And I would sit down and I would always find like the older guy that's in the, you know, we have like dining halls where the agency has their own separate dining halls and bars and shit like that.
01:53:05.000And I sat down with a guy one day, and I was just like, hey, man, what's your story, you know?
01:53:10.000And he was telling me he was an anthropology professor at the University of Washington, and he was finishing his PhD, and he was crossing the McKenzie Traverse in Canada, and he did it in era-appropriate clothing and a canoe and the whole fucking thing,
01:54:24.000You're fucking starving, then you're eating botulism-filled cans of beans with pork and shit, wiping your ass with the National Geographic.
01:54:32.000I mean, it's a fucking scene in a movie.
01:55:08.000I'll never forget him describing this to me because I Didn't know I didn't know any of this is so it's part history part just agency history and I He goes, my first job was I flew to Angola.
01:55:27.000And I just had a suitcase full of money.
01:55:30.000And they dropped me off in the middle of nowhere and they're like, go kill Cubans.
01:55:51.000Go kill some Cubans because you had...
01:55:56.000You know, it's a proxy war, right, between South Africa and the Soviets and the Cuban by proxy.
01:56:05.000They were both supporting the Communist Revolution in Angola.
01:56:11.000So we were pushing back, from the state's perspective, we were pushing back against the Soviet intervention, which was driven from the Cubans.
01:56:40.000So he'd go back to, you know, whatever university and go, okay, kids, I know I've been out on a dig, you know, and I've been building, you know, atlatls in Australia trying to do this, but really he was in Angola hunting Cubans.
01:57:27.000So I guess with a guy like that, if you can find a guy who's willing to wear era-equivalent clothing, would you say an era-correct clothing, and make his way through a trek that was most likely going to kill people in the 1800s?
01:59:31.000Very unusual dude and like one of the very best guys to explain hunting like I saw a debate that he had it was like a I think it was a book that he had released and he was doing one of those talks they do at bookstores and this guy was a vegan and the guy in the audience was a vegan the guy got upset with him and the Rinella handled it so perfectly they're just the way communicated with the guy and explaining his perspective and you have a different perspective and I'd love to have a conversation with you and Didn't do it with any bullshit.
01:59:59.000Ted Nugent's like, ah, you pussy, grow another vagina.
02:00:04.000But Rinell is like the perfect answer to people that objectively, they look at it, they go, wait a minute, I do eat meat.
02:00:27.000And then you get the people that really believe that you shouldn't eat anything but plants, and my problem with that is I think plants are smart.
02:00:34.000I think they just move real slow, and I think they have a way of interacting that is noticeable and measurable.
02:00:41.000I think there's probably a consciousness to plants.
02:00:44.000I think life eats life, and I think that's the only way it survives, and I think that's just the way it goes.
02:00:58.000I think people can kind of survive on vegan diets and do well on vegan diets.
02:01:02.000There's athletes that are on vegan diets.
02:01:04.000I don't think they hit peak performance and thrive.
02:01:07.000I think that's all people who are consuming nutrient-dense meats.
02:01:11.000Meats and fish and eggs those are the people that when you look at athletes the Predominant that the best athletes in every sport are all consuming protein.
02:01:21.000They're all consuming animal protein There's so few that are vegans that that hit elite status and maintain a lot of them get injured when they switch to vegan, too There's just so much in there's collagen and b12 and fucking there's so many different aspects to different amino acids you You can have this ethical thing in your head,
02:01:51.000I think there's a communication with them that's probably similar but different to the way we feel about animals getting killed by other animals.
02:02:00.000I think it's just a part of this whole process.
02:02:03.000I mean, they've shown that you can take the recordings of beetles eating leaves and play recordings of beetles eating leaves near a tree, and the tree will experience distress to the point where it changes the profile,
02:02:23.000It releases chemicals, these phytochemicals into the leaves that makes it disgusting for the bugs.
02:02:30.000And they do it with giraffes, like when giraffes eat, I think it's acacia trees, when giraffes eat acacia trees, the trees downwind all become disgusting to the point where the giraffes will starve because they won't eat it.
02:02:43.000They change their flavor profile to protect themselves.
02:02:52.000Well, I think that's so interesting because you can see it with Paul Stamets has when the fungi is talking and communicating and the health benefits to fungi and different plants.
02:03:10.000I think any time you have this edict where no meat, no plants, no...
02:03:18.000I think that's just another version of religious extremism.
02:03:21.000If you were just to say, what makes sense?
02:03:26.000Morally, what am I going to have to coalesce from me?
02:03:31.000I don't want to be a hypocrite, so I hunt.
02:03:44.000I think if you're making this determination where there's no meat, this is the only thing I'm going to eat, well, one, that's a lot of time, effort, and energy that you're spending specifically on your diet constraints that could be allocated to being a better dad.
02:04:05.000Well, maybe they could do all those things, too.
02:04:30.000And I think the problem is if you're buying just vegetables in the store, boy, you need to take a good look at monocrop agriculture because it's fucking bananas.
02:04:39.000Taylor Sheridan in Yellowstone, there was a scene where Kevin Costner was talking to the hippie lady who's trying to, like, shut down ranches and shit.
02:05:28.000So now you're limited to organic plants, okay?
02:05:31.000So if you're growing all of your own food and, you know, you're growing a lot of soybeans, a lot of different things, like if you grow hemp, if you're in a place where you can grow it legally, hemp is actually a really good source of protein.
02:05:41.000It's actually got a really complete amino acid profile.
02:05:45.000You can, you know, you can survive, you can do it that way, but if you're a regular vegan, if there's a person that, like, I get vegan pizza at the supermarket, shut the fuck up!
02:05:53.000You're contributing to this mass slaughter of small animals.
02:07:44.000So I went out to the 80th anniversary for the Normandy invasion, took a bunch of dudes out there.
02:07:50.000And my kids and I are out on this beach, and I'm taking my pocket knife out, and I'm just chopping the oysters off the rocks and eating oysters straight out of the ocean.
02:10:31.000They get a show and then they tone everything down and everything gets softer.
02:10:37.000And everything, you know, you start seeing some, like, bullshit jokes in there, like, oh, you decided to cover this joke, cover this subject, just for, like, street cred, progressive street cred.
02:12:25.000Like, it's kind of fun to disagree with people and debate them and have a different opinion versus being in an echo chamber where people all agree and they're all kind of lockstep in their belief system.
02:12:34.000It's kind of fun to have some wingnut Talking about socialism half the time, you're like, what the fuck are you talking about?
02:19:30.000Bootleggers, the mafia, criminal organizations that were organized crime that went on to do a bunch of other horrible things inside our country, and they were built up with money because alcohol was illegal.
02:19:42.000The moment alcohol stopped being illegal, you still have these people with all this money now.
02:21:08.000They are in for a world of, like, ultraviolence they've never actually felt before because, you know, obviously this is a very capable ultraviolence organization.
02:21:17.000They have fucking no clue if we organize these Tier 1 units against them.
02:21:25.000What I would be doing if I was down there, like, I know all those shoe boxes in my fucking, you know, my walls that I'm gonna have to collect up.
02:21:32.000I'd be getting ready to retire right now.
02:21:45.000I'm almost positive either JD or Trump had said something with the new guy from ICE. Like, we're gonna mobilize tier one units against the cartel.
02:21:55.000The only thing I thought was, like, retire.
02:21:58.000If you guys got some money, man, I would, like, put that away.
02:22:23.000Because it's so close to us, and it's so ultra-violent and dangerous, and it's just completely shaped the way the entire economy of the country works.
02:22:32.000They have so much power and control, and it's a criminal organization that is entirely, almost entirely at least, funded by us.
02:22:44.000President-elect said notorious crime syndicates and drug kingpins will never sleep soundly again once he launches his plans to tackle the issue.
02:22:51.000I thought about this for a long time, where I'm like, if they turned loose Delta Force and SEAL Team 6 on cartels and pedophiles, we could just kind of, like, erase the problem in about two years.
02:23:09.000He said we make appropriate use of special forces, cyber warfare, and other overt and covert actions to inflict maximum damage on cartel leadership, infrastructure, and operations.
02:25:30.000Rick Perry, because of his relationship with Marcus, Luttrell, and some of the other guys in the community, he has been leading the charge on this.
02:25:39.000Do you think that from psilocybin being legal in the United States, do you think it would be an issue?
02:25:46.000Do you think it would be an issue at all?
02:26:29.000That's what's going to happen if we make drugs legal.
02:26:33.000You're gonna have people try those drugs that probably shouldn't be trying those drugs.
02:26:36.000You're gonna have people get addicted to those drugs that maybe wouldn't have gotten addicted if those drugs weren't available to them, especially if they weren't legal, if you could just buy it somewhere.
02:26:46.000But if you don't rip the fucking Band-Aid off of this, like, infantilization of society and let people know that there are things out there that They're telling you you can't do, and the people who are telling you you can't do them haven't even experienced them.
02:27:03.000And when it comes to things like psilocybin and psychedelics, if you haven't experienced them, you really shouldn't be talking about them.
02:27:10.000You have no idea what you're talking about.
02:28:18.000And my personal experience with them, this is before we went public, but...
02:28:27.000My personal experience with them was my problems were rep after rep, cycle after cycle of combat after relatively high stress scenario after scenario after scenario.
02:28:45.000And I was having a really, really hard time Trying to directly connect with love.
02:28:53.000I actually could not connect with that experience.
02:29:10.000It fast-forward probably 20 years of talk therapy for me personally.
02:29:19.000And it gave me this direct connection with this feeling that I hadn't felt for years.
02:29:25.000And this is the feeling, and this is my point with vets, and especially from the combat vets.
02:29:32.000The guys have got rep after rep after rep with overpressure and explosions and a lot of violence.
02:29:40.000Is that they lose context with this really important feeling that you have to have, which is you have to have direct love for your family, for your spouse, for yourself.
02:29:56.000By all of the things that you've done, you've built a scaffolding, this artificial scaffolding on top of this, it creates a callus, and you've got to be able to break through that.
02:30:08.000From a psychological perspective, an emotional perspective, it accelerates that back, and you can kind of reset.
02:30:22.000I was thinking about this, my dad's like 80 years old, right?
02:30:26.000I'm like, man, he's got lung cancer now, and I'm like, gosh, if he could coalesce around...
02:30:38.000Killing ego and past and try to understand himself from a different more introspective way this would take decades maybe of talk therapy or A session where you could really accelerate your growth as an individual.
02:30:57.000I think that's for GWAT vets and for vets in general.
02:31:04.000This key component is being able to retouch with their emotional strength and be able to balance these things out where you can evolve and live your life.
02:33:24.000Imagine you have a few people that lose their fucking mind but you have a dramatic increase in consciousness through the entire country where people develop like a mushroom culture and people start like micro dosing all the time and people get way more comfortable with talking to each other way more creative way more like community oriented and love oriented That's not a bad thing.
02:33:49.000That's a real possibility with something that exists right now.
02:33:59.000And it's probably the source of most religious experiences.
02:34:03.000There's probably some sort of a connection to a lot of those religious experiences and what was probably some sort of a psychedelic adventure that they went on.
02:34:14.000And who's to say that that's not even how you talk to God in the first place?
02:34:18.000We don't know because it's been held back from us.
02:34:21.000It's been kept from us like we're a bunch of babies.
02:34:24.000It's something that human beings have used for thousands and thousands of years.
02:34:28.000The Greeks used psychedelics to start democracy, and yet here we are in the greatest democracy the world's ever known in 2024 with full access to the internet, all the data that's available, all the anecdotal stories, and it'll get you locked in a fucking cage.
02:35:06.000And I don't know if it was just real cocaine versus cocaine mixed with a bunch of other horrible shit, if the real cocaine wouldn't kill as many people.
02:35:15.000I don't know how many people are dying just of cocaine and how many people are dying of fentanyl-laced cocaine.
02:35:19.000I bet it's way more fentanyl-laced cocaine.
02:35:21.000So if you have just pure cocaine and the same amount of users, you're going to get way less deaths.
02:37:11.000And for these people that are the ones in charge that are making all the money from these decisions to keep up with this insanity in the internet in 2024, in this tide of change, I feel the same way about them as you feel about those poor cartel members.
02:37:25.000Like, you probably should be doing something else.
02:38:13.000They could have just been like, does this have fentanyl on it?
02:38:15.000They rub the weed and the weed comes back like, yep, someone touched fentanyl and they touched the weed and now you've got fentanyl-laced weed.
02:39:56.000There's no way they'd be buying up all the weed.
02:39:59.000There's no way they'd be buying up all the farmland right next to the military.
02:40:02.000There's no way they would be exporting chemicals so they could manufacture fentanyl to come in and basically eviscerate 200,000 fucking people.
02:43:08.000The dirty secret nobody wants to talk about from that perspective is that we as a country have dealt with a lot of shady opium dealers, like drug lords that were essentially exporting opium.
02:43:23.000And if they weren't part of the Taliban and or if they were anti-Taliban, you'd do business with them.
02:46:32.000Freedom has to be sacred across the board, which freedom comes with accountability, which means responsibility.
02:46:40.000And that's the problem is that when freedom, I think when you can distill it down and you can create control, then you can create profit.
02:46:47.000So power, control, and profit, those things like they directly have this confluence where people in power obviously manipulate that and they'll restrict our freedom.
02:46:59.000Yes, especially if they can make more money.
02:47:05.000And if COVID taught us anything, it taught us that we can't forfeit freedom to low IQ power hungry bureaucrats that want to affect our life because they're stupid.
02:48:41.000Well, I better self-censor and go along with the machine and stop misgendering people and stop doing this and stop doing that and stop saying this.
02:49:20.000You're going right off a cliff and you're running.
02:49:23.000And if anything that showed you about that, the Harris budget, which has spent a billion dollars, 580 million of it or something like that was for staff?
02:51:36.000That doesn't add up, because I saw she spent $680 million on ads, so those two numbers, you know, there's no money left over for everything else.
02:52:10.000Hundreds of millions of dollars, and they're just pipelining campaign donations into ads, and it's like loading up their money guns and just shooting it into space.
02:54:18.000You don't change the definition and make it ultra-super-nuanced so that it fits in your little excuse box of why you didn't fund gain-of-function research.
02:54:55.000I oftentimes think of Dick Cheney as a guy sitting back in like a high back leather chair in a big black tile office that's completely shiny with a white cat on his lap, like just petting it.
02:55:10.000That's the way I think about that fucking guy.
02:55:54.000Like, you might as well have painted, if you would have been a NASCAR driver, he would have had a Lockheed Martin fucking jersey on right then, at that point.
02:56:53.000Did you see the Babylon Bees one recently where they're talking about criticizing Trump's new appointments in comparison to Biden's appointments?
02:57:36.000Like, if you just look at that thing, and then you look at, like, when I say things, right, it's just, like, you look at this thing, and then you do a direct comparison.
02:58:24.000I want to know who the fuck is coming over.
02:58:25.000I want to make sure they're not cartel members.
02:58:27.000I want to make sure they're not terrorists.
02:58:29.000But I'm all for people that want a better life, because I would do it.
02:58:32.000I'd be a complete, total hypocrite if I said I lived in Guatemala in some village, and there's no power, and I found out that I could walk to America, and if I did it, it'd take three days, and then I could get a job in the fields, and then I'd make way more money, and I could send money home, and everybody could have clean water.
02:59:18.000Obviously, I'm a coffee guy, so I think about coffee all the time, and I think about Nicaragua, El Salvador, like all of the South American, Central American countries that grow coffee.
02:59:27.000And I talk to the farmers, and all we have to pay them is 5 or 10 cents more a pound, depending on the coffee.
02:59:37.000And most of the time, when I'm talking about coffees, I'm like, yeah, no problem, 10 cents more, who cares?
02:59:43.000What that allows them to do is build schools, pay a livable wage, all the things that they need to do to be successful in Guatemala, Nicaragua, wherever we're talking about.
03:00:00.000So I think about this, like, okay, so we're exporting these manufacturing jobs to China.
03:00:05.000And if we're just concentrating on economic policies in this hemisphere, where from a national security perspective...
03:00:14.000If we're exporting jobs to South America, we're creating economic opportunity and mobility in South America and Central America.
03:00:22.000We're creating jobs, economic stability, generational wealth, and we're also solving one of the issues that we're having, which is a border crisis.
03:00:33.000It just doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me to say, hey, we want to export, and I know this started with the Nixon administration, and you have essentially slave labor, which I'm 110% against, which I don't think in any way,
03:00:49.000shape, or form we should support economically.
03:00:52.000So if we're to export and look at this from a manufacturing and industry perspective, from this hemisphere, how do we...
03:01:00.000Align ourselves around strategic stability.
03:01:03.000How do we protect against our border crisis?
03:01:29.000Well, it makes sense that if you want to make the world a better place and you want less people trying to sneak into our country, one of the best ways is to make their country better.
03:01:47.000And if it's not made by slaves, the cobalt that's in it, there's a real high chance that it came from someone with a fucking stick poking it into the ground and digging it out for you.
03:02:46.000But if you're doing it the right way, and you're paying people well, and you're allowing people to, like, thrive in a place where there was nothing before, yeah.
03:02:54.000You can give people a pathway to do a lot of different things.
03:02:57.000Economic success opens up a lot of fucking doors, especially with education, especially with safety, with schools, with better communities.
03:03:37.000That's one of the most important things about having some success in this life, you know, is having the humility to understand that you just got lucky as fuck.
03:04:31.000And you turn on America Got Mail, or you got mail.
03:04:34.000You've got mail on AOL. So from that point on, the fucking world changed so wildly and so quickly that we weren't even really noticing it while it was changing.
03:05:38.000When you think about, obviously, I'm super interested in the military-industrial complex, but when you think about, we had, we'll say, 50, 60 military-industrial contractors at the start of 9-11,
03:05:57.000And we think of $860 billion of annual data associated with the defense budget, which has gone up since our height in the world on terror, or the war on terror.
03:06:10.000And we have five big companies that are basically taking 50% of that 860, and then 50% of that is profit.
03:06:28.000When you think of this triangular effect between the military-industrial complex and, okay, you have the revolving door between the Pentagon, so every star that comes out of the Pentagon goes back into the military-industrial complex with X amount of years of disassociation,
03:07:54.000I'm saying the fact that there are not strict firewalls between the fact that you're going to directly profit and or your campaigns are paid for by the people that you will lobby to go in and increase the taxpayer's liability.
03:08:10.000I was thinking about this the other day.
03:08:12.000I was like, if the taxpayer had an itemized...
03:08:20.000It just came out annually or once a month or whatever it is.
03:08:24.000And they looked at what they were paying for.
03:08:26.000I'm pretty sure they might have a more vested interest into how much they're paying, what they're paying for and saying, you know what, maybe we shouldn't be asleep at the wheel.
03:08:36.000Maybe we should probably pay a little bit more attention to this.
03:08:39.000Isn't that amazing that you don't get an itemized list, but you're required to give an extraordinary percentage of your money to the government?
03:08:47.000Like, what is the tax bracket of someone who makes a million dollars a year?
03:09:27.000You don't have a lot of money left over.
03:09:29.000And the government doesn't even have to tell you what they're spending it on.
03:09:34.000Like, you probably get less than they do, if you really think about it.
03:09:38.000If they get 40% in it, let's just say you don't have tax shelters and all that good stuff.
03:09:42.000But if you pay 40% in income taxes and then after all the shit, like after all property tax and state tax and this tax and sales tax, how much did you get?
03:11:41.000Despite having trillions of dollars in assets and receiving hundreds of billions in federal dollars annually, the department has never detailed its assets and liabilities in a given year.
03:11:51.000For the past three financial years, the Defense Department's audit has resulted in a Opinion, meaning the auditor didn't get enough accounting records to form an assessment.
03:12:02.000Like, sorry, we don't have any paperwork.
03:12:28.000How much of it is getting greased into the side pockets of people?
03:12:32.000But even then, from a transparency perspective, does it not shake out for us?
03:12:36.000Because if we're saying, hey, we're going to spend, I don't know, let's just call it $100 billion on black fund experimental technology to maintain our strategic hegemony.
03:13:24.000Look, if Area 51 exists, and now we know it does for sure, it was a real base.
03:13:29.000They said it wasn't a base forever, and then during the Obama administration, they had to expand the boundaries because surveillance equipment and binoculars and telescopes were getting better and more sophisticated, and they were filming things that were flying around that shouldn't have been filming.
03:14:38.000And so I'm looking at it from a paramilitary CIA perspective and thinking about it from Alan Dulles, which obviously, like, he's in charge of the Warren Commission after Kennedy fired him.
03:14:50.000So I'm giving everybody a kind of a summary explanation.
03:14:54.000Yeah, Dulles Airport, which is the Dulles brothers, the single most two powerful fucking people in Washington, even during the Truman administration.
03:15:06.000So, Operation Zapata, which is also George H.W. Bush's first oil company that he supposedly left fucking Connecticut and went out after his Yale tenure after World War II, and was like, I'm gonna be an oil guy and start fucking Zapata oil.
03:15:43.000And then when it comes down to the day, like, I mean, you've built 1,400, let's say, you know, 1,200, 1,300-man force that's a CIA former Cuban exile army.
03:16:00.000You've built it, and Alan Dulles has been the main architect behind this.
03:16:06.000You've got all these guys, so let's even go back.
03:16:09.000These are all OSS World War II guys that...
03:16:15.000Let's create a clear delineation between what they're doing and what they think the president is doing.
03:18:13.000I don't know how I don't end up with a moonroof, to be honest with you.
03:18:16.000Like, I just pissed off the guys that are actually in charge of, like, assassination, paramilitary, all of the dirty deeds around the planet.
03:18:27.000I fire Alan Dulles for this catastrophe of the Bay of Pigs.
03:18:33.000I've got a thousand plus guys that are in prison in Cuba.
03:18:36.000I've got the entire former OSS, hardcore anti-communist, anti-Castro organization of the CIA pissed off.
03:18:48.000If you don't think they're not going to tee a guy up like some pro, you know, commie Oswald guy in a, you know, in a multi-story building in Dallas, if you don't think you're going to end up with a hole in your head,
03:20:31.000If you're weak on Russia and you think that the guy's going to bend his, you know, he's going to bend a knee to the bear, you've got a lot of, you've got this confluence of interests where...
03:22:04.000Dick Gregory, who is a stand-up, he's a lot more than that, too.
03:22:06.000He's an activist, but like a real one.
03:22:09.000You know, not in any way some sort of a social value grifter, which I think a lot of people gravitate towards activism because it gives them a chance to be really shitty because they're right.
03:23:58.000But it's not if you just go in center mass, but this dude's doing it for a headshot, 140 yards.
03:24:03.000And he's probably never shot anybody before.
03:24:05.000He's a 20-year-old kid that they just somehow or another Operation MKUltra mindfucked him into shooting at him, or he's on some crazy medication, or China, or who knows?
03:24:53.000Jolly West went to visit Lee Harvey Oswald, or excuse me, Jack Ruby.
03:24:57.000Jack Ruby's on the ground underneath his bunk, crying in the fetal position that they're murdering the Jews with fire, and he's tripping balls.
03:25:05.000This guy dosed him up with acid, blew his fucking brains out, and then they probably injected him with cancer.
03:25:24.000Okay, so Dulles knows that eventually the president is going to, like, they're going to snuff him out, they're going to fire him.
03:25:32.000Dulles decides that he's going to have this whole separate CIA that's CIA guys, but they're all really very trusted in internal, external guys.
03:25:47.000And I think those guys are essentially his guys.
03:25:55.000And they get hung out to dry in the Bay of Pigs.
03:26:00.000They're not attributable to the CIA other than loose affiliated documents.
03:26:14.000Alan Dulles didn't want to be answering to the president because he didn't answer to the people.
03:26:19.000He was answering to a bigger call in his mind.
03:26:21.000He's answering to, this is an eminent threat.
03:26:25.000The big communist bear is going to come and eat our lunch.
03:26:29.000So he's answering to the greater good, which is a reason for, like, the backdrop of the Cold War is a reason for a lot of this nefarious activity.
03:26:38.000Like, Angleton, like, all these directors...
03:26:43.000Everybody looks at these guys as like really nefarious characters, but you have to paint everything in the backdrop of the Cold War.
03:26:52.000Like, we're doing all this stuff to save America, right?
03:27:45.000It's so interesting for me to think back on this because these are guys that are World War II vets that, like, they saw everybody die.
03:27:54.000You know, I mean, the Soviets lost tens of millions of guys in World War II. They were defeating fascism, which is, you know, they were defeating the Nazi Party, you know, the Japanese Army, and they've seen thousands of men die.
03:28:17.000These are guys that are baptized in ultraviolence to the point of which this is a zero-sum game and we have everything to lose and nothing to gain by being nice.
03:28:28.000And nobody will get in our way to being able to maintain the sovereignty of the nation.
03:28:35.000I can just get into the mind of them because if I'm jumping into Nazi-occupied France in, you know, 1940X, because a lot of the OSS teams went in there, and I'm watching my friends get fucking mowed down by Nazi machine guns,
03:28:54.000and I'm killing Nazis, and I'm moving my way to overthrow Hitler and now I feel like Stalin is the next thing that I have to defeat but the American public just doesn't understand Like,
03:29:12.000I have been quite literally baptized in blood, and I'm not going to let it happen.
03:29:18.000Now, you think about a high-intellect, type-A-driven, ultra-violent guy that may be semi-coherent based on their copious consumption of alcohol.
03:29:59.000I understand greater than a lot of people with combat and the direct psychological and emotional effects, what it'll do to people.
03:30:06.000And I can kind of see myself going like, hey man, if I'm a 26-year-old guy that just went and fought the Nazis and I think that the big bad bear is coming after me, man...
03:30:31.000When I was a kid, that fear was everywhere.
03:30:34.000You know, I've talked to so many people that are like my age or around my age that remember being a child and being worried about a war with nuclear bombs with Russia.
03:31:14.000That was a direct response to when we agreed, we have this mutual agreement between the Soviets and Khrushchev wasn't Khrushchev wasn't actually a Stalinist.
03:31:28.000He was making very big reforms in the Soviet Union.
03:31:33.000And so he felt betrayed by the U-2 spy missions that were taking place after they shot down the U-2 spy plane in Russia.
03:33:06.000Threat widely attributed to Khrushchev in Western press was reported to have been made at a send-off reception to Poland's Gamuka in Moscow, November 1956. According to Time Magazine, Khrushchev was overheard to say at the final reception, For the Polish leader,
03:33:23.000if you don't like us, don't accept our invitations and don't invite us to come to see you.
03:33:29.000Whether you like it or not, history is on our side.
03:33:53.000Yeah, it was saying, Khrushchev said he will bury you.
03:33:56.000So it was probably some fake news, just like how they said about Trump saying very fine people on both sides.
03:34:02.000It's always been fascinating to me because I think about the Russians and how many tens of millions of people they lost in World War II. Yeah.
03:34:21.000And I'm not saying we did anything bad.
03:34:23.000I'm just saying, like, what we did was we delayed the invasion of Normandy and we felt like...
03:34:29.000A lot of people think this was that we were trying to soften up the Soviet Union because we felt that they were a follow-on threat in World War II. But...
03:34:41.000We delayed the invasion intentionally, essentially, to let a lot of Russians, millions of Russians, essentially die on the Eastern Front.
03:34:54.000When you really think about it, when, you know, from, you know, those men, from my context in, you know, combat, from how I think about combat, how I think about death, like, those guys had a significant axe to grind,
03:35:12.000because they're like, we need fucking help.
03:35:14.000We need you to open up the Western front.
03:35:16.000I'm not validating Stalin, because once again, I think he's a complete piece of shit.
03:36:11.000We dropped the bomb and the Japanese were just as terrified of the Russians as they were the Americans.
03:36:22.000However, I can see from the Russian perspective going, man, we sacrificed millions of people to defeat the Nazis and And you guys are basically giving us no credit.
03:36:51.000All of these issues back then, 1945, 1946, they were talking about not only Stalin, but Patton was talking about, like, we need to just keep going.
03:37:23.000So I keep thinking about myself and, like, those guys, I think about myself a lot of times, too, where, you know, 20-plus years after the fact, like, this is 1968. Yeah.
03:38:03.000I think when people look back at history with these great moments of change, I mean, think about how, you know, people look back at the Reagan administration, like when Reagan got elected.
03:40:02.000You might be stupid, and you might have been protected from that stupid by these network shows.
03:40:06.000If you want to exist online, and you don't like criticism on Twitter, or you think there's disinformation on Twitter, community notes on Twitter is the greatest fucking thing that's ever been created.
03:40:16.000Because people get to look through the community notes and find out, oh, that is bullshit, and here's why it's bullshit.
03:41:09.000The new Oculus is fucking cool, and you've got to wonder where that's going to be, because...
03:41:15.000When I first tried the very first Oculus, it was kind of cool, but kind of crude in a way.
03:41:23.000And with each new version of it, it's much smaller now.
03:41:27.000It used to be we had a cable, and the cable was attached to the ceiling on a wire so that you can move back and forth with all these wires connected to you when you have the Oculus.
03:41:35.000So you had to be plugged into the computer, actually.
03:41:44.000Like, you do things like you can go to a comedy club, and you sit in the audience, and there's all these other people in there, and there's a comedian on stage.
03:41:51.000There's all these little online games you can play with other people, 3D shooters and shit, and you get goggles on, you feel like you're in the game.
03:46:59.000Which is another way of looking at it, right?
03:47:01.000If you're thinking about a cut, a cut that goes through the entire body is a very long cut and is always lethal if you get them in the vitals.
03:47:55.000Yeah, I think there's something to be said for those giant holes because it's just, especially if you have a strong bow.
03:48:01.000So if you have a bow that has a lot of kinetic energy and a lot of speed and you're shooting a heavy arrow and it's hitting that rib cage, like...
03:49:07.000Yeah, I bumped it up because I went to those 125 grain heads, but my bow went from 80 pounds to 84 with the new one, and then it kind of made up a difference.
03:49:15.000So the 25 grains, it was basically the same kind of speed as with the last one, which I had a 450 grain arrow.
03:49:23.000So there's like a, I think there's probably like a number you shouldn't go below.
03:49:46.000Like if you're shooting 500 on an 84-pound, 85-pound bow, so let's say you're doing, even if you're doing 270, that's still massive penetration.
03:49:59.000Massive kinetic energy, especially if you have carbon arrows.
03:50:02.000I love those carbon arrows with the victories with the slick outside because you pull them out of target so much easier.
03:51:08.000I have fresh arrows for hunting, but they're the exact same setup for practice.
03:51:13.000So that's why I like the sever or something like that, because the severs, you can pin them, and then I can just shoot the shit out of those and then just not use the pin.
03:51:28.000That's why I like them, because I can shoot the same exact weight and dimensions, and I know the flight characteristics are going to be the exact same, versus...
03:51:40.000They actually have different flight characteristics, because the way that they're put together is not exactly the same, and I believe in the fact that it's like, hey, man, if you got to...
03:51:50.000A slight fin on the front, and it's a different fin on the back, even though it's only an inch, you still have to be 100% consistent to maintain the same flight characteristics.
03:51:59.000Yeah, that's why when guides get real nerdy about what helix, like what kind of helical you have on the veins, and what kind of twist you put in your veins, and you have to have a single bevel blade that twists for the broadhead in the exact same direction.
03:52:15.000Don't get a right twist with left veins, then you'll get all fucked up.
03:52:19.000But their idea is that you're trying to get the broadhead to spin through the animal.
03:52:23.000That's the whole idea behind the single bevel.
03:52:53.000So the idea is that that creates this angle and that when you're spinning, your arrow is spinning because the helicals of your vein, it goes into the animal's body cavity and the bevel in the broadhead accentuates that spin.
03:53:06.000And it continues that spin through the body causing like a whirlwind of trauma Inside the animal and that it, you know, it almost affects, acts as multiple blades because it's kind of spinning around.
03:53:18.000It's not just cutting a straight line, it's twisting.
03:53:20.000But the question is like how much twist and is it more effective to have like a four blade thing, like a tooth of the arrow, like one that you could, you know, those are...
03:53:34.000I think it does a little, because there's a guy named Lusk Archery, and he does these tests on these things, and he actually shoots them into ballistic gel, and you can see them spin.
03:54:23.000There leaves a lot of questions for me.
03:54:25.000So even though it's twisting in the ballistic gel, because it's consistent.
03:54:28.000You're shooting it directly perpendicular into a very consistent format, and you're getting a consistent result.
03:54:37.000You're not going to get a consistent result.
03:54:39.000I just don't believe you're going to get a consistent result through a ribcage.
03:54:41.000Well, that's the reason why a lot of people like mechanicals.
03:54:45.000It's one of the things that they say is that the cut is so large when you get into the body cavity that you take out all the other variables.
03:54:51.000It's going to do so much more trauma than something that's just a slit blade that, let's say you do hit that rib cage and it does slice and only hit one lung because it deflected off of it and it doesn't spin at all and now you lost the animal.
03:55:04.000Whereas you get a mechanical, it goes in there, it creates this massive fucking hole.
03:55:09.000It does all this trauma, going through two and three quarter inches of trauma going to the animal.
03:55:13.000The odds of that animal surviving are gone.
03:55:15.000If you get them in the body cavity, they're gone.
03:55:17.000And I've seen people hit people with really good shots with small broadheads and not do much damage to the point where the animal runs off, they have a hard time blood trailing it.
03:55:26.000Even if the animal dies 30 minutes, 60 minutes later, you might have a hard time finding it, especially if you bumped it.
03:57:57.000And so I'm just trying to create the data and put it down into...
03:58:03.000What works for me, and I don't have any sponsorships, which allows me to be fairly empirical in the way that I'm actually selecting the criteria.
03:58:13.000But I also don't have the reps these guys do either, so you have to kind of rely on their data and then collect all of it and then kind of put it in one case, if that makes sense.
03:58:54.000But I find that with wind in particular, the balance that I would get from that Equivalizer, I can get from the, I'm using a cutter stabilizer with a 15 inch front bar and a 12 inch back bar.
03:59:38.000Yeah, the slight downward thing with when you're pulling back, there's something about the slight downward angle of it that it lets you hold better with the same amount of weight.
04:03:39.000He's like, just center mass, just over and over again.
04:03:44.000I think it's a mindfuck that a lot of people put their head into that you're going to get target panic and that you can't control your emotions during the shot process to the point where you could command trigger.
04:03:55.000But that doesn't make any sense to me.
04:03:57.000It doesn't make any sense from, like, I can understand the psychological aspect of target panic, but I have a feeling that it comes from two different things.
04:04:04.000It comes from buck fever, which is like you're freaking out, you never shot a buck this big before, oh my god, he's right there, and you're like, ah!
04:04:11.000But that's an experience thing, and you have to learn what that is, and if you do it a bunch of times, then you get to the point where, like, oh, I know how to control myself.
04:04:56.000And we were talking about this, that I think the difference between bow hunting and target archery is like the difference between doing free throws and playing basketball.
04:07:14.000If I hadn't seen any one of these before, and something comes in and it's got giant pointy things on its head, and I'm trying to be completely blank slate, and I've got this other fuzzy thing that I can't really see its claws and teeth, I'd be like, my god,
04:07:30.000I'm way more afraid of this thing with swords on its head.
04:10:23.000He would fly around this Piper Super Cub, and back in the day, you get a bounty for cougar tails.
04:10:29.000So he had a walker hound, and he would put him in the front seat of his Piper Super Cub, and he would fly around looking for tracks, land his plane in the middle of fucking nowhere, kick his dog out.
04:10:41.000So he'd tell me these stories, and I mean, I hunted with this guy forever.
04:11:27.000This guy was 80 years old when I was hunting cougars with him back in, like, the Panhandle, Idaho.
04:11:34.000And he would tell me stories, and I would only go hunting with him to listen to the stories, because they were the best fucking stories on the planet.
04:11:59.000And he was telling me this other story, and these are like the summarized version, the cliff notes of it.
04:12:05.000But dude, he would bay cougars in the middle of the mountains by himself.
04:12:10.000He'd fly his plane, land in the middle of the snow, find a spot for him, bay cougars, and he had this cougar up in this log jam above a creek.
04:12:20.000And he was telling me this cougar tucked himself underneath the logs above the creek.
04:13:14.000Pull out his snub-nose 357 like a gangster and reach underneath the logs and start pulling the trigger once he found the right fur between the cougar and his dogs.
04:15:16.000I mean, you think about the different groups of people that live these extreme lives, and how many people are at the coffee shop with blue hair that are totally oblivious.
04:15:26.000And they think hard work is like, you know, I'm dealing with my trauma, and I'm going to Starbucks today to protest.
04:24:56.000Two, there's a definitive meaning you're associating with it.
04:25:00.000So there's no way that you can tell me that there's not a psychological nutrient connection between those two where it makes something more meaningful and beneficial specifically for you.
04:25:11.000There's just no way you can tell me that it's not better.
04:25:12.000Right, like a good meal with people you love, I feel like almost gives you extra nutrients.
04:25:17.000Almost like there's an extra good feeling about it.
04:25:19.000That's why people like eating together.
04:25:55.000You know, we both had our trials and tribulations elk bow hunting, and it's so difficult to do that the people that do it well, the people that are successful, you know how hard it is to do.
04:26:06.000You're like, God damn, you pulled it off.
04:26:08.000Hunting elk with a bow in the wild is a real thing.
04:27:07.000They're trying to rewild a whole section of the country.
04:27:10.000They're buying up land and they want to bring back buffalo and bring back all these animals.
04:27:16.000If everybody, at one time in their life, Could have some sort of a hunt where someone shows them how to do it, someone takes them out, they get an animal and they cook and eat that animal.
04:27:28.000If you're a meat eater, I think at one time in your life you should try to do that.
04:27:32.000I think that may be the solution for people to understand what it's all about.
04:27:54.000Thousands and thousands and thousands of years just baked into our DNA. And when you're in there and you're in those woods and you got that rangefinder and that elk is 52 yards away and you see him walking through the bushes and you know you got a window.
04:28:07.000And there's like a part of your DNA that just goes, yeah, this is what we're doing.
04:30:14.000How can you think that this is a better way where you're caging an animal, filling it full of hormones and supplemental nutrition and corn and all these things, and then you're putting a bolt through its head?
04:30:48.000It's also one of those things that, like, if you haven't experienced it, you really don't understand it.
04:30:52.000And when you're trying to explain it to people, they're looking at it from, like, the cartoon Disney version of Hunters and the movie version of Hunters where they're all cocksuckers.
04:31:00.000Dude, we should wrap this up because we've got to go meet Cam for dinner.