The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2232 - Josh Brolin

00:00:12.000 Hey! 0.99

00:00:13.000 Oh! 0.60

00:00:14.000 Little Bo Peep.

00:00:15.000 She needed the money.

00:00:16.000 Oh! 0.60

00:00:17.000 Oh! 0.60

00:00:19.000 Remember how great that was, man?

00:00:20.000 Oh, yeah.

00:00:21.000 When I first met him, it was like one of those weird things where, you know, you know, I mean, you've met a lot of famous people. 0.95

00:00:26.000 Some of them, you meet them, you're like, oh, fucking, really? 0.96

00:00:29.000 Bummer. 0.99

00:00:29.000 It's weird. 0.99

00:00:30.000 Oh, there's a bummer too, yeah. 0.98

00:00:32.000 The bummer ones, that sucks. 1.00

00:00:33.000 When you meet someone, they suck. 1.00

00:00:35.000 You're like, oh no, you suck. 1.00

00:00:36.000 I know, exactly. 1.00

00:00:37.000 Some people just not talk.

00:00:39.000 They should only do what they do.

00:00:40.000 Act and sing.

00:00:41.000 But then you get to know them.

00:00:43.000 Like, I don't know, like, I'm pretty good at this now, where you don't, where you see people that you, like, looked up to.

00:00:49.000 Like Eddie Vedder, I had a pretty close relationship with Eddie Vedder.

00:00:52.000 Oh, really? 0.99

00:00:53.000 Yeah, but I was drinking and then I would grab his balls and do shit like that. 1.00

00:00:57.000 And then it was like, I don't want him around. 0.99

00:01:00.000 I don't want Josh around.

00:01:03.000 I don't like that anymore.

00:01:04.000 I don't want my... 0.99

00:01:05.000 And I think Sean Penn appreciated shit like that. 1.00

00:01:10.000 Like, wow, somebody has the balls. 1.00

00:01:12.000 It's not even a little chaos. 1.00

00:01:13.000 It's like somebody has the balls to call me on my shit. 0.99

00:01:16.000 Not everybody's afraid of me. 1.00

00:01:18.000 Oh, right.

00:01:19.000 Yeah, he's probably used to people constantly being afraid of him. 1.00

00:01:22.000 Yeah, like, oh, I can't fuck with him. 1.00

00:01:23.000 Right. 1.00

00:01:24.000 Well, he does wild shit. 1.00

00:01:25.000 Like, when he went down to fucking Mexico and met with El Chapo, like, Jesus Christ, dude. 1.00

00:01:30.000 That's a fucking wild, reckless thing to do. 0.99

00:01:31.000 And I do think that that's organic, but I think that that's also, you just have that thing where you just go, you know what? 1.00

00:01:38.000 Shit's getting boring. 0.99

00:01:40.000 Right. 1.00

00:01:40.000 The weather's just too fucking nice here. 1.00

00:01:42.000 Weather's too nice. 0.89

00:01:43.000 I'm too famous. 0.95

00:01:44.000 Let's go meet a mobster. 0.95

00:01:45.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:01:46.000 Let's go fuck some shit up. 1.00

00:01:48.000 Let's do something big. 1.00

00:01:49.000 Let's do something really reckless.

00:01:51.000 Let's do something that's going to resonate for at least a year.

00:01:53.000 Yeah.

00:01:53.000 That whole El Chapo thing was so crazy, though, because that kind of is one of the things that got him caught.

00:01:58.000 It was, right?

00:02:00.000 Yeah.

00:02:00.000 Yeah, because they track your cell phone data.

00:02:03.000 Yeah.

00:02:03.000 They know where you go.

00:02:04.000 And if you're bringing your fucking cell phone, you're basically bringing a tracking device to go find one of the most notorious gangsters alive today. 0.99

00:02:13.000 I mean, who was the guy with the football team back in the day? 0.99

00:02:17.000 Pablo Escobar?

00:02:19.000 Think about it.

00:02:20.000 It's our days.

00:02:21.000 This time's Pablo Escobar.

00:02:23.000 Yeah.

00:02:24.000 And Sean Penn.

00:02:26.000 Colton hangs out with him.

00:02:27.000 Spicoli.

00:02:29.000 Because, you know what, man? 1.00

00:02:32.000 Hey, who wants to come with me and find this motherfucker? 1.00

00:02:35.000 Did he go solo? 1.00

00:02:36.000 I think so.

00:02:37.000 I think he went solo.

00:02:38.000 Well, he knew that lady who was like a reporter. 1.00

00:02:40.000 You know, there was like this really hot Mexican reporter. 0.95

00:02:43.000 Oh, yeah, the Mexican girl. 1.00

00:02:44.000 Yeah.

00:02:44.000 Yeah, he knew her.

00:02:45.000 Was he dating her?

00:02:46.000 I don't know.

00:02:47.000 But I think she had a thing with El Chapo.

00:02:51.000 After that?

00:02:52.000 No.

00:02:52.000 Did Sean introduce them properly?

00:02:54.000 I don't know.

00:02:55.000 I think he knew her and she knew him.

00:02:57.000 She knew El Chapo.

00:02:59.000 Oh, right.

00:02:59.000 That's how he got, that was the connect.

00:03:01.000 And El Chapo was like, I like the meat.

00:03:03.000 Spicoli.

00:03:05.000 I love you.

00:03:08.000 I really enjoyed you in colors.

00:03:11.000 And then next thing you know.

00:03:12.000 What's the most dangerous thing that you do now?

00:03:15.000 What do you think?

00:03:16.000 Dangerous thing?

00:03:17.000 Yeah, like we're talking about Sean going out on a limb.

00:03:19.000 Do you find it necessary to go out and do things that challenge you in a way?

00:03:25.000 Yes.

00:03:25.000 Challenge your psyche?

00:03:27.000 Yes.

00:03:27.000 In what way?

00:03:29.000 Elk hunting is probably the most exciting.

00:03:32.000 What is?

00:03:33.000 Elk hunting.

00:03:34.000 Why?

00:03:34.000 Because it puts you in danger?

00:03:36.000 Well, no.

00:03:37.000 It's just really difficult.

00:03:38.000 You know, you're bow hunting in the mountains.

00:03:41.000 Right. 0.99

00:03:41.000 And it's just you in the mountains and just fucking mountain. 0.99

00:03:44.000 Do you stay up there for days and days and days? 0.99

00:03:45.000 Yeah.

00:03:45.000 And do you quarter your kill?

00:03:48.000 Oh yeah, we pack it out.

00:03:48.000 Yeah.

00:03:49.000 See, that's a different thing.

00:03:50.000 Yeah.

00:03:50.000 You know, people say, I don't like hunting.

00:03:52.000 Personally, I grew up in a very red part of California.

00:03:56.000 Everybody hunts that I grew up with. 0.97

00:03:58.000 And I would shoot and I would hunt with my dad and I would like fucking think about it and dream about it for three weeks. 0.98

00:04:04.000 Oh, yeah, I love it. 0.99

00:04:05.000 I love eating it.

00:04:07.000 No, no, no, I'm saying that I would spiral.

00:04:09.000 Oh, you would get negative with it.

00:04:12.000 Yeah, I guess it would be negative, but it made me think of the kids that were going like, Mom!

00:04:19.000 Mom, are you there? 0.86

00:04:20.000 And I just killed the mother. 1.00

00:04:21.000 It's like the Bambi kind of thing. 1.00

00:04:23.000 Right.

00:04:23.000 But, I eat meat.

00:04:26.000 So that hypocritical thing of like, I don't want to kill anything, but I want you to kill it for me so I can eat it because I really like the way it tastes.

00:04:34.000 Well, that's the anthropomorphization of animals that Disney has kind of done a number on people with. 0.99

00:04:41.000 You know, like Bambi and Yogi Bear and all that kind of shit. 0.98

00:04:45.000 Cartoons and... 0.95

00:04:46.000 Teddy bears, and we have a very, you know, living in, when you live in urban areas and cities and people, you know, streets and concrete, people just get a very distorted idea of nature and our relationship with nature.

00:05:00.000 And when you're a kid and you're just, these are sweet, cute things, and then all of a sudden you're supposed to go murder one. 0.98

00:05:06.000 Like, it's all fucked up. 0.98

00:05:08.000 But it's, what's fucked up is the cartoons. 0.99

00:05:11.000 I mean, they're cute and everything. 0.85

00:05:13.000 Because they depict it in a way, how?

00:05:15.000 Well, it's just completely distorted. 1.00

00:05:17.000 You have these animals that are talking to each other, and the hunters are always assholes. 0.99

00:05:22.000 If it wasn't for hunters, there would be no humans. 0.99

00:05:24.000 We'd have never made it this far. 1.00

00:05:26.000 If we were all just eating fucking tubers and grapes and shit, we would have never made it. 1.00

00:05:31.000 Do you like garbanzo beans? 1.00

00:05:32.000 They're not bad.

00:05:33.000 I don't prefer that.

00:05:34.000 Have you ever hunted one?

00:05:35.000 No. 0.99

00:05:36.000 It's fucking wild, man. 0.99

00:05:36.000 How do you do that? 0.99

00:05:38.000 You take a bunch of acid.

00:05:40.000 You take a bunch of acid.

00:05:43.000 It's possible.

00:05:44.000 What about the sexual connotations of Disney?

00:05:48.000 Did you ever hear that thing that Walt Disney had the biggest porn collection of all time? 0.74

00:05:54.000 Really?

00:05:54.000 That's what I heard.

00:05:56.000 I don't know how much of it is true.

00:05:57.000 Have you ever seen how...

00:05:58.000 There's like the Rod Stewart thing and there's the...

00:06:01.000 You know what I mean?

00:06:01.000 I don't know if it's what...

00:06:03.000 Right.

00:06:03.000 I don't know how much of it is.

00:06:04.000 Google it, Jamie.

00:06:05.000 Did Walt Disney have a gigantic porn collection? 0.60

00:06:07.000 I wouldn't be surprised.

00:06:08.000 A lot of people that are like really into kids stuff and like sweet, wholesome stuff, they need to flip.

00:06:14.000 Have that other kind of slant?

00:06:16.000 Yeah.

00:06:17.000 Or eventually flip?

00:06:18.000 Maybe.

00:06:19.000 Maybe it's a cover. 0.99

00:06:20.000 Or maybe it's like they're so cutesy with the fucking completely wholesome stuff that they have to balance it out with some bonded shit. 1.00

00:06:30.000 Some fucked up shit. 1.00

00:06:31.000 Some guys getting kicked in the nuts and ball gags. 1.00

00:06:33.000 Why is it that people feel that people in Hollywood, and Texans are like that. 0.94

00:06:37.000 Like, I know people that have moved to Texas and they've called me.

00:06:40.000 There was one guy that I used to work out with in Venice.

00:06:43.000 And he moved here and he called me and he'd be like, hey man, you know, the list is coming out.

00:06:48.000 And I'd go, what list?

00:06:50.000 And he goes, you know, the list.

00:06:52.000 And I go, am I on the list?

00:06:54.000 And he goes, no.

00:06:57.000 You're clean.

00:06:58.000 You're good.

00:06:58.000 But I know you know who's on the list.

00:07:02.000 I'm glad I know I didn't do anything wrong, even though I didn't do anything wrong.

00:07:05.000 And I said, but why are you, like a two-fold thing, why are you under the impression that everybody in Hollywood lives under the same roof?

00:07:13.000 Like we all live in the same apartment complex.

00:07:15.000 It's they.

00:07:16.000 It's they.

00:07:17.000 Yeah, they.

00:07:18.000 It's they.

00:07:18.000 They are out there.

00:07:19.000 They are out there doing that thing.

00:07:21.000 Yeah.

00:07:22.000 And then what would, how could you possibly think that a guy who's a trainer at Gold's in Venice would have the list?

00:07:32.000 Yeah.

00:07:32.000 Why was he chosen?

00:07:34.000 Well, he goes on Reddit.

00:07:35.000 And that's how you get the list.

00:07:37.000 That's how you get the list.

00:07:38.000 I still am waiting for the list.

00:07:39.000 Yeah.

00:07:39.000 I think I'm going to see him when I'm here.

00:07:41.000 We started communicating again.

00:07:43.000 Well, we have things like the Epstein client list that doesn't get released.

00:07:47.000 Then it fuels these kind of conspiracy theories about there being a list.

00:07:51.000 So why is that list not released?

00:07:53.000 That's a very good question.

00:07:54.000 Who has that list?

00:07:56.000 Well, for sure someone has the list.

00:07:58.000 Ghislaine Maxwell's in jail, right?

00:07:59.000 So she must have talked.

00:08:01.000 Like, there must have been conversations.

00:08:03.000 And there must be a bunch of very powerful people that are on that list.

00:08:07.000 Are all the powerful people in cahoots?

00:08:10.000 No.

00:08:10.000 Something that I learned, like, when I played W. I played a senator.

00:08:15.000 I played W. What is it like playing a guy who's still alive?

00:08:19.000 Did you meet with him and hang out with him at all?

00:08:21.000 Scary.

00:08:22.000 I mean, I wanted to.

00:08:24.000 Did you ever meet him?

00:08:26.000 No.

00:08:27.000 God, that's weird, right?

00:08:28.000 I had the opportunity to meet him afterwards.

00:08:32.000 And there was something about him that was more, remember when he was like giving candy to Michelle Obama and all that?

00:08:38.000 It was like a really friendly kind of a mischievous thing and I was like, I would like to meet him.

00:08:43.000 And then I saw his paintings of his dogs and I said, I don't want to meet him.

00:08:48.000 I just don't.

00:08:49.000 It was something attractive for a moment.

00:08:52.000 What's it about the paintings that got you?

00:08:54.000 I don't know!

00:08:55.000 And I love paintings.

00:08:56.000 I don't know what it was.

00:08:57.000 You didn't like the paintings?

00:08:58.000 No, it's not that I didn't like the paintings.

00:09:00.000 There's something in the paintings.

00:09:01.000 I don't know what it was, man.

00:09:02.000 Something in the paintings is I killed a million people with fake weapons of mass destruction.

00:09:08.000 We had a fake story and I used that story to justify an invasion of a country and now a million people are dead.

00:09:14.000 So that's the question.

00:09:15.000 And I'm haunted every night.

00:09:16.000 Totally.

00:09:17.000 I just paint dogs.

00:09:18.000 That are staring like that.

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00:12:27.000 Like your face right now is exactly how every eye is in his dog's paintings.

00:12:32.000 It's so funny.

00:12:33.000 That guy must be medicated.

00:12:34.000 They must put him on some things so he could sleep.

00:12:36.000 Is that that look?

00:12:37.000 I think...

00:12:38.000 Does he put into his dog's eyes the look that he has always or at least that he feels that he has?

00:12:43.000 Like there's a haunted...

00:12:44.000 It's his lens.

00:12:45.000 His real look behind his eyes.

00:12:47.000 Yeah.

00:12:47.000 How he sees the world, how he's experiencing the world.

00:12:50.000 What is it like running around knowing that you did that?

00:12:52.000 Not just that you did that, but that there's no culpability.

00:12:56.000 No one went to jail for that.

00:12:59.000 No one even got brought up on charges for that.

00:13:01.000 Well, that's what I was bringing up because when I would meet these people, I went to the Senate floor and I met a lot of these people.

00:13:07.000 And then I met a lot of rich people, which is when I met Trump, actually, the 21 Club.

00:13:12.000 Back when I knew a lot about him, I was fascinated by the whole...

00:13:15.000 What's the 21 Club?

00:13:16.000 21 Club is a place that he used to go a lot.

00:13:18.000 And it was like, you know, yeah, you have a chance to meet this billionaire, this billionaire, and then Trump... 1.00

00:13:23.000 Eyes wide shut type shit. 1.00

00:13:25.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:13:26.000 So he...

00:13:27.000 What was I going to say?

00:13:29.000 Is he...

00:13:30.000 Oh, meeting these people, especially getting them drunk, you know, where people get super honest.

00:13:35.000 Right.

00:13:35.000 You know, where they go, you know what, man?

00:13:38.000 I trust you.

00:13:39.000 Right.

00:13:39.000 I trust you.

00:13:40.000 And you're like, here it comes.

00:13:42.000 Here it comes.

00:13:44.000 Whereas before that, they were like, you know, I'm not sure. 0.99

00:13:46.000 And I just did what I think is, you know, and then they finally go, I just fucked her. 1.00

00:13:50.000 I fucked her. 1.00

00:13:52.000 Or they tell you what's going on. 0.99

00:13:54.000 But the thing that I learned, and I'm really curious about.

00:13:58.000 Like what we were talking about Hollywood and the perception of them all being in it together is don't you think the rivalries and all that, not entirely, but that all politicians are basically under the same roof.

00:14:11.000 They all know what each other's doing and that there's more of an agenda of power to keep the public thinking a certain way.

00:14:20.000 Not brainwash.

00:14:21.000 There's certainly a benefit to that.

00:14:23.000 Of course there is.

00:14:24.000 Yeah, there's a benefit to that.

00:14:25.000 And then there's also – the underlying factor is money, of course.

00:14:29.000 Like there's so much money and influence.

00:14:31.000 There's so many special interest groups.

00:14:33.000 There's so many lobbyists.

00:14:34.000 That's what I mean.

00:14:35.000 So many massive corporations that are donating to campaigns.

00:14:38.000 Yeah.

00:14:39.000 So there's always going to be this desire to sort of – Satiate.

00:14:46.000 Pacify.

00:14:46.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:14:48.000 And then treat you like you're a baby so they can continue making insane amounts of money.

00:14:52.000 That's exactly right. 0.98

00:14:52.000 Like, if you're someone like Nancy Pelosi, and you're worth hundreds of millions of dollars, and you make $170,000 a year, and there's no fucking explanation. 0.98

00:14:59.000 Yeah. 0.76

00:15:00.000 Like, just that alone.

00:15:01.000 Just that alone.

00:15:01.000 Like, you have to kind of keep people in the dark.

00:15:03.000 You have to kind of, like, keep dancing.

00:15:05.000 Yeah.

00:15:06.000 Otherwise, you're going to jail.

00:15:08.000 Someone's going to start investigating, and they've got to go, what you did is not legal, and you're going to be in real trouble.

00:15:16.000 What's your relationship like with money?

00:15:18.000 In what way?

00:15:20.000 You've made a certain amount of money for a long time.

00:15:22.000 I don't think about it.

00:15:23.000 You don't think about it?

00:15:24.000 No, no.

00:15:24.000 What I like about money is to not think about it.

00:15:26.000 That's what I like.

00:15:27.000 Do you like spending it?

00:15:28.000 I like buying stuff.

00:15:29.000 Me too.

00:15:29.000 I have a nice car.

00:15:30.000 I drove here.

00:15:31.000 I drove a 69 Camaro.

00:15:33.000 See, but that's different.

00:15:34.000 Yeah, I like that. 0.99

00:15:35.000 That's fucking different. 0.98

00:15:36.000 That's character. 0.96

00:15:37.000 I like fun stuff, but for the most part, I'm not interested in it as a goal.

00:15:44.000 What I like about money is not having to think about it.

00:15:46.000 My friend Brian Callen said this to me once.

00:15:48.000 He said, he goes, real freedom is when you can go to a restaurant and not worry about what anything costs. 0.99

00:15:53.000 He's like, everything else is bullshit. 0.99

00:15:54.000 It is. 1.00

00:15:55.000 And it really is. 1.00

00:15:55.000 Everything else is bullshit. 1.00

00:15:57.000 When you just go to a restaurant, get a nice steak, you know, order a bottle of wine, have a good time, and not think about the bill. 0.98

00:16:04.000 What I think happens is, and be grateful for it, and to remind yourself that that exists to be grateful for and not be taken advantage of.

00:16:14.000 And I think that's one of the hardest things about money slash power, is you start treating things as if they're underneath you.

00:16:21.000 Ooh.

00:16:21.000 You know?

00:16:22.000 Yeah.

00:16:22.000 Where you go, God, I'm so glad I can go anywhere in the world right now and get a meal, and I don't have to think about how am I going to pay for this?

00:16:29.000 Yeah.

00:16:30.000 Am I going to be in debt on my credit card?

00:16:31.000 But when you start saying, excuse me, I said 204 degrees, not 190. Right.

00:16:41.000 Read my lip, you know, and you're like, oh, man.

00:16:43.000 That's just gross.

00:16:44.000 It is gross, but it happens.

00:16:46.000 That's just taking advantage of this relationship that everyone knows where service people have to be nicer than they really would be normally, like a regular person.

00:16:55.000 Hoping for a tip, hoping for one of your many hundreds of thousands or hundreds of millions of dollars. 0.68

00:17:02.000 It's disgusting.

00:17:03.000 It's a gross way to treat people. 0.89

00:17:05.000 But some people want to get rich so that they could do that to people.

00:17:09.000 Maybe someone did it to them when they were younger and they were like, I can't wait to do this to other people.

00:17:12.000 I mean, when you said nice car, and I thought you were going to say, I was like, oh, please, no.

00:17:18.000 Like Lamborghini or...

00:17:19.000 No, I don't have any of those.

00:17:20.000 And then...

00:17:21.000 No, I like muscle cars.

00:17:22.000 I like old muscle cars.

00:17:23.000 That's my favorite.

00:17:24.000 That's like me at 37 Knucklehead.

00:17:26.000 And people say, oh, is that an affectation?

00:17:28.000 I know you're friends with Momoa or whatever.

00:17:30.000 I go, no, man.

00:17:30.000 I've been riding motorcycles since I was three and a half years old.

00:17:33.000 They're fun!

00:17:39.000 I did read it. 0.95

00:17:56.000 When you're in a group of guys who really know what they're doing, and you're in absolute fucking sync, and yes, your arms are up here and your arms are pretty numb at that point, But you're fucking soaring. 0.99

00:18:07.000 You're an eagle on a fucking jet stream. 0.97

00:18:09.000 You ever heard of Hunter S. Thompson? 1.00

00:18:11.000 You know that documentary they did, Gonzo?

00:18:14.000 Yeah.

00:18:14.000 Of course.

00:18:15.000 In the documentary, the very beginning, he talks about riding a motorcycle.

00:18:19.000 Oh, I don't remember that.

00:18:20.000 On the Pacific Coast Highway.

00:18:21.000 I don't remember that. 0.99

00:18:22.000 Oh, it's fucking great. 0.96

00:18:23.000 See if you can find that. 0.99

00:18:24.000 He talks about riding a motorcycle, about that the lines begin to blur.

00:18:30.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:18:30.000 And you're just on the edge.

00:18:32.000 That's it.

00:18:33.000 And how alive you are. 0.99

00:18:35.000 It's a fucking fantastic speech. 0.98

00:18:36.000 We don't have to get into this book right away, but there was, I wrote, they came to me, it's the only story that I wrote that somebody asked me to write for the book. 0.99

00:18:43.000 And they were like, you're really into motorcycles, why don't you write a story about motorcycles? 0.96

00:18:47.000 And I tried, and it was just bad and bad, and everything I wrote was like so forced and bullshit. 0.88

00:18:53.000 And finally I said, I can't do it, I'm not going to write it. 0.91

00:18:55.000 And the minute I said I'm not going to do this, I started writing.

00:18:58.000 It just kind of started to come out, and it's good.

00:19:00.000 Do you write by hand?

00:19:02.000 I do.

00:19:03.000 Mostly.

00:19:03.000 Do you feel more of a connection when you write by hand?

00:19:06.000 No, that's not why I do it.

00:19:06.000 Because I write any which way, whether it's on the phone, whether, you know, I remember people saying, like, I write, you know, by hand, I handwrite because it's the way it used to be.

00:19:16.000 And I was like, yeah, it also used to be under candlelight, which fucked your eyes up. 0.69

00:19:20.000 It used to be people that had slaves. 0.95

00:19:23.000 You can only get around by horse. 1.00

00:19:25.000 Paint on caves and shit. 1.00

00:19:25.000 Why don't you go paint on a cave? 1.00

00:19:26.000 Tell me a story.

00:19:27.000 Try to get it published.

00:19:28.000 Yeah, get a witch doctor to take care of your broken leg. 1.00

00:19:31.000 I don't care how it comes out.

00:19:32.000 I think real writing is anywhere, anytime, however you can get it out.

00:19:36.000 I don't think there's a muse that's needed.

00:19:38.000 I think it's work, man.

00:19:39.000 It is work.

00:19:40.000 It's labor.

00:19:40.000 I think the muse is like...

00:19:44.000 It's a concept, right?

00:19:45.000 Have you ever read Pressfield's The War of Art?

00:19:47.000 Yeah, of course.

00:19:48.000 Great book.

00:19:49.000 Great book.

00:19:49.000 I think he's right, though, when he says you summon the muse when you sit down to work.

00:19:54.000 But that's also just like an intention thing.

00:19:56.000 Like, you have so much time and effort put on a thing, and when you do that, your mind gets more in sync with creativity.

00:20:02.000 But if you treat it like it's a muse, it actually does work.

00:20:06.000 Like if you show up every day and like say...

00:20:09.000 Click into that thing.

00:20:10.000 And pay respect to the muse.

00:20:12.000 I'm sitting here and I'm ready to write.

00:20:14.000 I'm a professional and I'm ready to go.

00:20:16.000 And treat it like you're summoning the muse.

00:20:19.000 It actually works.

00:20:20.000 There actually is...

00:20:22.000 An effect that happens.

00:20:23.000 I don't know if there's an actual muse, but you can understand why someone would think that there's a muse.

00:20:28.000 Yeah, but why do people chant?

00:20:30.000 Why do people meditate?

00:20:31.000 Why do people that?

00:20:32.000 That's the muse.

00:20:33.000 Whatever the muse is, it's like talking about God.

00:20:35.000 What's God?

00:20:35.000 I don't know.

00:20:36.000 It depends on who you're talking to.

00:20:37.000 God is a feeling. 0.99

00:20:39.000 God is something that fucking thing that keeps you inspired, that keeps the gasoline at a high octane. 0.99

00:20:46.000 That's how I see it. 0.99

00:20:47.000 It's something that gets you away from your ego, like with writing, something that gets you away from your ego and into your mind, into your consciousness, into your perceptions of things, your ability to express it.

00:20:59.000 And it's a focus thing.

00:21:01.000 And the more you focus on it, the more that muscle grows, the more you get adapted to it.

00:21:05.000 Because your ego is worried about how people are going to perceive you.

00:21:09.000 Right.

00:21:09.000 And that's not right.

00:21:10.000 Yeah, you want to look cool. 1.00

00:21:12.000 You want to look cool, people are like, Fuck. 1.00

00:21:14.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:21:15.000 I read that book that you wrote, man. 1.00

00:21:16.000 Holy shit. 1.00

00:21:18.000 I had no idea. 1.00

00:21:19.000 You're amazing.

00:21:20.000 That's the grossest conversation ever.

00:21:22.000 Cocktail party in Hollywood.

00:21:24.000 Some guy comes up to you and tells you you're amazing.

00:21:26.000 Dude.

00:21:26.000 You are a genius.

00:21:27.000 And it's always with those eyes.

00:21:29.000 You're so incredible.

00:21:29.000 I had no idea, dude.

00:21:30.000 Meanwhile, that guy's trying to sell you on some multi-level marketing scheme or something.

00:21:34.000 There's something he's trying to tap into you with.

00:21:36.000 I want to buy that book.

00:21:37.000 I want to option your book.

00:21:39.000 Oh, here it comes. 0.99

00:21:39.000 I want to turn it into a fucking movie. 0.99

00:21:40.000 I also have a script I'd love you to see. 0.99

00:21:42.000 Yeah.

00:21:44.000 Is it a Disney?

00:21:46.000 Is it about animals talking?

00:21:48.000 That's the one thing I really love about living in Texas.

00:21:50.000 There's no Hollywood.

00:21:52.000 There's no show business.

00:21:53.000 I don't have to deal with any of these people with alternative agendas.

00:21:57.000 I want to go back to that, but we just moved to Santa Barbara.

00:22:01.000 Santa Barbara's awesome.

00:22:03.000 It's funny. 0.99

00:22:04.000 Why does everybody fucking think that? 0.98

00:22:05.000 It is awesome. 0.99

00:22:06.000 Montecito.

00:22:06.000 I love it out there.

00:22:07.000 Why?

00:22:08.000 Because it's beautiful.

00:22:09.000 Because it's beautiful.

00:22:10.000 What about the people?

00:22:12.000 Oh...

00:22:13.000 They're a little elitist.

00:22:15.000 There's a lot of elitist people out there.

00:22:17.000 So that's a perfect place for me.

00:22:18.000 So I grew up in Santa Barbara.

00:22:20.000 I was in Paso Robles, which is ranch country, about two hours above Santa Barbara.

00:22:25.000 And then we moved to Santa Barbara when I was 11. And it was Montecito, but it was a very different Montecito.

00:22:31.000 Like, yes, there were a couple of rich people.

00:22:32.000 Yes, my dad was doing okay by then.

00:22:34.000 He had done Marcus Welby.

00:22:35.000 He did...

00:22:36.000 At that time, he did Amityville Horror.

00:22:39.000 So he had a little bit of money, but we bought what would now be a $35 million home in Montecito.

00:22:45.000 He bought for $600,000. 1.00

00:22:48.000 Same fucking house. 1.00

00:22:49.000 Do you know what I mean? 1.00

00:22:50.000 So it was a different Montecito.

00:22:51.000 And then whatever group I grew up with.

00:22:54.000 But the point is, I went to jail there a lot.

00:22:58.000 I just did.

00:22:59.000 I just liked it.

00:23:00.000 Instead of the museum, I went to jail.

00:23:02.000 I was like, no, Mom, I'm going to go to jail today.

00:23:05.000 And then, so in LA, Venice Beach, I love Venice Beach, but Venice Beach has even changed.

00:23:13.000 You know, you used to know everybody and everybody kind of coexisted beautifully.

00:23:17.000 And then Venice Beach changed.

00:23:19.000 It got totally randomly violent.

00:23:21.000 Yeah, it became very dangerous.

00:23:23.000 Very dangerous.

00:23:24.000 Little kids.

00:23:25.000 Okay, so we moved to Malibu.

00:23:26.000 We were close to Laird.

00:23:27.000 I know Laird and Gabby and all that thing.

00:23:30.000 But it never landed.

00:23:32.000 So we were always talking about moving, even though we were kind of building a house and we're finalizing everything.

00:23:37.000 We're always talking.

00:23:38.000 We talk about Texas.

00:23:39.000 My mom's from Texas. 0.89

00:23:40.000 We were talking about East Coast.

00:23:42.000 We were talking about Europe, all these places, but never Santa Barbara.

00:23:46.000 I would never move back to Santa Barbara.

00:23:48.000 Really?

00:23:48.000 Because by the way, honey, if we move to Santa Barbara, which you love so much and you think is so beautiful, our little girls will eventually for sure go to prison.

00:23:59.000 That was in my mind.

00:24:00.000 Why?

00:24:00.000 Because in your childhood?

00:24:02.000 Totally.

00:24:03.000 Huh.

00:24:04.000 Most of my friends who grew up in Montecito are dead.

00:24:07.000 Really?

00:24:07.000 36 out of 50. Really?

00:24:09.000 Oh yeah.

00:24:10.000 From what?

00:24:11.000 Heroin epidemic, punk rock, driving accidents.

00:24:15.000 36 out of 50?

00:24:16.000 Out of 50. Wow!

00:24:18.000 Best friend, Jason Sears, who was the lead singer of Rich Kids on LSD, RKL, which was a big punk band that influenced a bunch of people.

00:24:25.000 Nirvana, Pearl Jam, all these people.

00:24:28.000 Rich Kids on LSD is a great name for a band.

00:24:30.000 You should look it up.

00:24:31.000 Can you look it up?

00:24:32.000 Jason Sears, Rich Kids on LSD. We got a tattoo at the same time.

00:24:35.000 I got a tattoo from Freddie Negrete that's gone now because I removed it.

00:24:40.000 But it was a big Jesus with blood coming out of the hands. 1.00

00:24:43.000 And Jason, that same night, got eat shit on his ass. 1.00

00:24:48.000 See if you can find Jason's ass that says eat shit on it. 1.00

00:24:53.000 Wow. 1.00

00:24:54.000 You're going to put that in? 1.00

00:24:55.000 Jason Sears, eat shit. 1.00

00:24:58.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:24:59.000 Where is it?

00:25:00.000 Oh, you got to just keep looking.

00:25:02.000 Yeah, it'll be there.

00:25:03.000 So, why was I... Oh, so eventually...

00:25:07.000 When we finally said, look, we're not moving.

00:25:09.000 We should be grateful.

00:25:10.000 We're not grateful enough.

00:25:12.000 That's the problem.

00:25:13.000 We're not grateful enough.

00:25:14.000 But Malibu just didn't kind of sit.

00:25:16.000 What didn't you like about Malibu?

00:25:18.000 I love Malibu.

00:25:19.000 It's just remote.

00:25:21.000 We already are remote in Paso Robles.

00:25:23.000 We have a place in Paso Robles.

00:25:24.000 A place where I grew up.

00:25:26.000 Not the ranch I grew up.

00:25:27.000 It's about three miles down the road.

00:25:29.000 But that's remote.

00:25:29.000 And a remote that I love.

00:25:31.000 I love remote.

00:25:32.000 But I love extremes.

00:25:34.000 I don't want to be sort of next to Santa Monica, and it's 20 miles away and it takes two and a half hours to get there.

00:25:40.000 You and I were talking about that.

00:25:41.000 I don't want to sit in traffic for half my life.

00:25:44.000 I just don't want to.

00:25:45.000 If I want to be somewhere, I want to be somewhere.

00:25:47.000 So Santa Barbara represented a place where you kind of had your own piece of property, but everything was 10 minutes away.

00:25:54.000 You got dance class for the girls.

00:25:56.000 You got soccer.

00:25:57.000 You got this.

00:25:58.000 Right.

00:25:58.000 You know what I mean?

00:25:59.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:26:00.000 So that was the thing.

00:26:01.000 But never was I going to go back to Santa Barbara.

00:26:05.000 I finally put on Zillow, Santa Barbara.

00:26:06.000 One house came up, and that's the house that we bought.

00:26:09.000 And it was Joe Walsh's old house.

00:26:10.000 Oh, wow!

00:26:11.000 Which is amazing.

00:26:12.000 That's incredible.

00:26:13.000 Incredible.

00:26:13.000 That's incredible.

00:26:14.000 Which I was stoked.

00:26:15.000 And I asked him...

00:26:16.000 Anyway, I have to finish the story.

00:26:19.000 I was so freaked out...

00:26:22.000 About moving up to Santa Barbara.

00:26:24.000 I still hadn't made the kind of transition that I contracted a mild case of Bell's palsy.

00:26:29.000 Really?

00:26:30.000 Yeah.

00:26:30.000 Like, literally was stressing out.

00:26:31.000 My wife was like, you gotta... 0.99

00:26:32.000 And I'm not a stress guy.

00:26:33.000 And she was like, you gotta mellow the fuck out. 1.00

00:26:35.000 I'm like, yeah, but you don't know what's gonna happen when we move up here.

00:26:38.000 It's like, it's gonna be...

00:26:39.000 So your face started like...

00:26:40.000 So literally, I'm washing my face.

00:26:43.000 I'm doing this.

00:26:44.000 And it just started going...

00:26:46.000 When was this?

00:26:49.000 Four months ago.

00:26:50.000 Okay.

00:26:51.000 That's a side effect of the vaccine, too.

00:26:53.000 That's one of the side effects of COVID-19 vaccines.

00:26:55.000 I've also heard that speech impediments.

00:26:58.000 I've heard a lot of things.

00:26:59.000 Kids taking vaccines and things happening.

00:27:02.000 Yeah.

00:27:03.000 Yeah.

00:27:04.000 That vaccine, in particular.

00:27:05.000 That one.

00:27:06.000 The mRNA one.

00:27:07.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:27:08.000 Yeah, I know quite a few people that develop Bell's palsy from them.

00:27:11.000 Well, whatever you want to call it.

00:27:12.000 Are you serious?

00:27:12.000 Yeah.

00:27:13.000 Facial paralysis.

00:27:14.000 Yeah.

00:27:14.000 I know two people specifically that develop facial, like droopy face.

00:27:20.000 Because when my older kids...

00:27:21.000 They went away.

00:27:21.000 When my older kids were young, there were, what, 17 vaccinations?

00:27:25.000 And now that my younger kids are young, there's 56. 72. Yeah, it's a series of them, but it's ultimately 72 shots.

00:27:35.000 Yeah.

00:27:36.000 It's a scary prospect, man. 0.98

00:27:38.000 Well, the fucked up thing is if you talk about it, you're an anti-vaxxer and you're a conspiracy theorist. 0.98

00:27:42.000 You talk about anything. 0.99

00:27:43.000 But that's a big one because they've done a really good job of demonizing anyone who questions a medicine that might be correlated with a bunch of fucking serious diseases. 0.93

00:27:53.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.94

00:27:54.000 And for whatever reason...

00:27:55.000 Profit.

00:27:56.000 Yeah, they've just done a great job of gaslighting people.

00:27:59.000 Yeah.

00:27:59.000 And scaring the shit out of people by labeling anybody.

00:28:03.000 Like, look what they did to Jenny McCarthy. 0.99

00:28:05.000 Do you remember when Jenny McCarthy had a kid and her kid had autism and she thought that autism had possibly come from vaccines?

00:28:11.000 And they basically ran her out of Hollywood. 0.99

00:28:13.000 But why would they do that?

00:28:14.000 What's the reason?

00:28:15.000 Money.

00:28:15.000 What do they benefit?

00:28:16.000 Well, the thing is...

00:28:18.000 During the Reagan administration, the vaccine companies, pharmaceutical drug companies that are making vaccines, they said, we are unable to make these vaccines if we're liable.

00:28:34.000 Because if we're liable, there's too many lawsuits that are going to come our way because vaccines cannot be completely safe and effective just by virtue of the mechanism in which they work.

00:28:45.000 You know, you have an irritant, you have this virus, this dead virus, your body sees the aluminum or whatever it is, it reacts to that in a negative way and it finds the dead virus, it develops antibodies just by the way they work.

00:29:00.000 When you vaccinate an enormous amount of people, you're going to have a certain amount of people that have a negative reaction.

00:29:05.000 If we have lawsuits for every person that has a negative reaction, we're going to go out of business.

00:29:10.000 So they made them immune.

00:29:11.000 They made them immune.

00:29:12.000 And you know what happened?

00:29:13.000 Immediately, they're like, well, you need a vaccine for this.

00:29:15.000 And you need to go vaccinate for that.

00:29:16.000 Knowing that there was no drawback.

00:29:18.000 Hepatitis B vaccines.

00:29:20.000 Babies.

00:29:21.000 Right when you're born.

00:29:22.000 Right when you're born.

00:29:23.000 You know, there's also doctors that say it doesn't even really work for babies, but what you're doing is you're conditioning the parents to accept the fact that your child is going to get regularly vaccinated.

00:29:35.000 My doctor, fortunately, our pediatrician wanted to put the kids on a different schedule, a slower schedule, and he didn't want them to have any vaccines until they were two.

00:29:45.000 Your doctor in California?

00:29:46.000 Yes.

00:29:47.000 But it was not like a quack.

00:29:49.000 It was like, I think the way to do it...

00:29:52.000 I mean, there's a schedule of vaccines your kids have to get unless you have religious exemption.

00:29:57.000 But let's not assault...

00:29:59.000 You're children with a potential poison because everybody is different.

00:30:04.000 If I take a bong hit, I might end up under the table.

00:30:08.000 If you take a bong hit, you actually may feel smarter and clearer.

00:30:12.000 I remember Dean Potter who was a climber and he was like, I stopped smoking pot for four months.

00:30:16.000 But when I started smoking pot, I could feel the hold at 2,000 feet, sheer cliff, nothing underneath, no ropes, but I felt more confident.

00:30:26.000 And for me, I go, if I took a bong head up there, I could be four feet up and be freaking out. 0.78

00:30:32.000 Right.

00:30:32.000 It's different for everybody.

00:30:34.000 Because everybody has different brains.

00:30:35.000 It's like psychopharmaceuticals.

00:30:37.000 Let's just give them all lithium or let's give them all that.

00:30:40.000 You have to experiment. 1.00

00:30:42.000 The idea of experimenting with that shit is super scary. 1.00

00:30:45.000 It is. 1.00

00:30:45.000 It is super scary. 1.00

00:30:46.000 And it's also super scary when you're not liable for any of the repercussions.

00:30:52.000 And you're just pushing it on people because you're a corporation, and corporations just want to make money.

00:30:56.000 Their thing is just unlimited growth.

00:30:59.000 They have an obligation to their shareholders.

00:31:02.000 Every quarter they want to make more money, and they just keep ramping it up.

00:31:07.000 I remember Seinfeld talking about that.

00:31:10.000 He was like, I remember back in the 70s in comedy...

00:31:13.000 You know, green rooms and all that, and we'd all be fucking with each other, and it never had anything to do with money, because nobody was really making money.

00:31:19.000 Like, money, money.

00:31:21.000 Like, tons of money.

00:31:22.000 It was just about, what set are you going to do?

00:31:26.000 What are you trying out?

00:31:28.000 Are you going to fail, or are you not going to fail?

00:31:30.000 But it was this community, again, and I think that things have grown into, not that I wanted to talk about this, or that I even thought about it before, but...

00:31:37.000 The money thing is a very interesting thing to me.

00:31:40.000 And if you want to take it back to the book, which we can talk about later, it's like the anti-celebrity.

00:31:45.000 It's like, how do you stay grounded?

00:31:47.000 How do you stay accountable?

00:31:49.000 And why would you stay accountable? 0.95

00:31:51.000 Because I actually give a fuck about people instead of just being in it for myself. 0.96

00:31:56.000 And I think that's the difference. 0.85

00:31:58.000 Well, I think one of the things that happens to people with money is you didn't have money when you were young.

00:32:02.000 Now all of a sudden you have money and you get really scared about losing that money.

00:32:06.000 Somebody else is going to take it away.

00:32:07.000 Yeah.

00:32:07.000 You get scared it's going to go away because now you realize, oh my God, it's so much better to not have to worry about your bills and it's so much better to have some money to buy things.

00:32:14.000 Yeah, totally.

00:32:14.000 And then you start thinking only about money and you start making decisions only for money.

00:32:19.000 And then you go down the weird road.

00:32:22.000 And it really distorts artists.

00:32:25.000 It fucks a lot of people up.

00:32:27.000 Yeah. 0.84

00:32:27.000 You know, you see it in a lot of bands. 0.84

00:32:29.000 They start making, like, poppy songs when they used to be, like, raw and gritty when they were younger.

00:32:33.000 They used to be, like, authentic.

00:32:35.000 And then all of a sudden they're making, like, theme songs for films. 0.99

00:32:38.000 It's, like, weird fucking romance songs. 0.99

00:32:41.000 For rom-coms. 1.00

00:32:42.000 Like, Aerosmith went through a bunch of that shit. 1.00

00:32:44.000 Totally. 1.00

00:32:44.000 Where, to me, as an Aerosmith, you know, lover as a kid, to see them, you know, go from, like, dream on to, like, the shit they were... 1.00

00:32:52.000 And I wonder with like drug addiction and all that, I wonder if it's like if the parallel is I went back to heroin at that point because I just couldn't fucking deal. 0.98

00:33:02.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:33:03.000 I think it's when they get off heroin and they start wanting to make money.

00:33:06.000 I need to make some money. 1.00

00:33:08.000 I spent all my fucking money. 0.98

00:33:09.000 But look, I wonder if there's any connection like with member Philip Seymour Hoffman, like one of the greatest actors that ever lived. 0.99

00:33:16.000 And I've known his mother since I was doing theater in Rochester, New York.

00:33:20.000 It was like a 20-year-old, 21-year-old.

00:33:22.000 And she would come up to me and she'd say, I think you're a fine actor.

00:33:25.000 And I go, oh, thank you very much.

00:33:26.000 And she goes, you know, my son just moved to New York.

00:33:29.000 He wants to be an actor.

00:33:30.000 And I said, oh, what's his name?

00:33:32.000 Phil.

00:33:33.000 Phil's his name.

00:33:34.000 Oh, well, Phil, good luck.

00:33:36.000 Good luck to Phil.

00:33:38.000 It's like anybody who wants to be an actor, just the odds of it happening is just not going to happen.

00:33:44.000 And then Phil became this guy, 22 years of sobriety, who had an inkling in the beginning and said, you know what?

00:33:52.000 I don't want this to control, like, my thing, so I'm not going to do it.

00:33:56.000 I'm going to give everything I am to acting, and I'm going to try to make the best career, theater career, movie career, whatever.

00:34:03.000 And then, you know, and again, I have it in the book, where I see him on the street, and I'm crazy, and I've Gotten into a fight with my wife and I'm walking down Columbus Avenue and I have cords on.

00:34:14.000 I have no shoes.

00:34:14.000 I have no shirt.

00:34:16.000 I'm out of my fucking head and I look to my left and I see Nick Nolte at a cafe. 0.99

00:34:22.000 And we lock eyes and I've never met Nick Nolte. 0.99

00:34:25.000 I've never seen him and it will happen that I actually will have a relationship with him later on.

00:34:30.000 But we lock eyes, and the moment is he's seeing in me what he used to be, or seeing in me what I'm to become.

00:34:37.000 I'm seeing in him what I'm to become later, right?

00:34:40.000 Then I see Philip Seymour Hoffman, who's standing there talking.

00:34:44.000 I go, hey, Phil!

00:34:45.000 It's Josh!

00:34:48.000 What's up?

00:34:49.000 You're doing so well, man. 1.00

00:34:51.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:34:52.000 Good for you, dude. 1.00

00:34:53.000 No shirt.

00:34:53.000 No shirt, no shoes.

00:34:55.000 And he's standing there with one foot pointed toward me and another foot pointed in the direction that he wants to go.

00:35:02.000 You know how people stand there and they're like, good to see you, man. 1.00

00:35:04.000 Get the fuck out of here. 0.99

00:35:05.000 Yeah, good. 0.99

00:35:06.000 Good.

00:35:07.000 Oh, no.

00:35:08.000 Now, how is that the guy that died of a heroin overdose?

00:35:13.000 Did he get injured?

00:35:15.000 No.

00:35:16.000 No.

00:35:16.000 No?

00:35:17.000 He just got back on it?

00:35:18.000 Because sometimes what happens is people get injured.

00:35:22.000 I know.

00:35:22.000 And they have surgery, and then they have back, and then they get on, you know, Oxycontin.

00:35:26.000 Me too.

00:35:27.000 I know a lot of people.

00:35:28.000 That's kind of been the trajectory.

00:35:29.000 No back pain, nothing?

00:35:30.000 To me, there's another parallel, and the parallel is I just want to make money.

00:35:34.000 Finally, I'm sick of doing independence.

00:35:36.000 I'm sick of doing this and not making any money.

00:35:38.000 And then you start doing, you know, whatever he was, Hunger Games.

00:35:42.000 And then you feel hollow.

00:35:44.000 And then you want to fill yourself up.

00:35:45.000 That's what we were talking about before.

00:35:46.000 Right. 1.00

00:35:46.000 You want to numb yourself up because you feel like a whore. 1.00

00:35:48.000 You feel like a whore. 1.00

00:35:49.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:35:50.000 There's one thing about actually finding solace and saying, hey, man, I'm older.

00:35:55.000 I'm going to do this movie.

00:35:56.000 I get it.

00:35:57.000 I got college coming up for my kids.

00:36:00.000 And you justify it in a way that's okay.

00:36:02.000 And then there's one thing about you've identified yourself so much as an artist. 0.95

00:36:07.000 To release yourself from that identity in other people's minds, again, going back to the ego, that it just fucks you up. 0.97

00:36:14.000 Right.

00:36:14.000 You just can't deal.

00:36:15.000 And then you want to escape from your reality.

00:36:17.000 Exactly.

00:36:17.000 Yeah, you want to numb yourself.

00:36:19.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:36:19.000 Well, that is a real fucking thing, man. 1.00

00:36:22.000 And if you've ever done a project where it's like really... 0.99

00:36:25.000 I did a really bad sitcom once.

00:36:28.000 But you acted it?

00:36:29.000 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:36:30.000 It was terrible.

00:36:31.000 And I remember while I was doing it, I was just imagining, like, what if this is my life? 1.00

00:36:36.000 What if this stupid piece of shit sitcom goes for like 10 years? 1.00

00:36:39.000 10 years, yeah. 1.00

00:36:39.000 Because there's sitcoms that inexplicably are very successful, or were in the 90s. 1.00

00:36:44.000 Yeah.

00:36:44.000 And very successful, and they were terrible.

00:36:47.000 Terrible.

00:36:47.000 They were terrible.

00:36:48.000 But people loved them.

00:36:49.000 Well, people want to be numb.

00:36:50.000 It's like eating ice cream. 1.00

00:36:51.000 They just want a slack jaw, sit in front of the computer or whatever, the TV, and eat SpaghettiOs, just fucking numb themselves to some mundane bullshit. 1.00

00:36:59.000 And if you're doing that kind of a thing, you live in hell. 0.99

00:37:02.000 And a lot of those people that do those things, they wind up doing drugs because they just feel very lost.

00:37:08.000 But if you do that, you live in hell.

00:37:11.000 Yeah, you live in hell. 0.97

00:37:11.000 Which it is, to me, to you. 0.97

00:37:13.000 It sounds crazy to a person listening.

00:37:15.000 Oh, you're making $50,000 a week.

00:37:17.000 How are you living?

00:37:18.000 You're living in hell.

00:37:19.000 Like, what are you talking about? 0.97

00:37:20.000 No, no, no.

00:37:20.000 That's not the point.

00:37:21.000 Most people would be like, that's great.

00:37:22.000 That would be amazing.

00:37:23.000 But if you want to do a thing, if like you want to be a great comic or you want to be a great actor and you're doing- You have to have incentive.

00:37:29.000 Right.

00:37:30.000 You have to want to create something really good.

00:37:33.000 Right. 1.00

00:37:33.000 And when you can't create something really good and you're just doing it for money, you feel trapped and you feel like shit. 1.00

00:37:38.000 And then you have to reward yourself for this stupid fucking thing you do. 1.00

00:37:41.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:37:41.000 So what do you do? 1.00

00:37:42.000 You go out and buy a nice Mercedes. 1.00

00:37:43.000 You get a fucking house in Malibu. 1.00

00:37:45.000 Now you have a large monthly nut that you have to cover. 1.00

00:37:48.000 But when you take people over your house, like, look how I'm living.

00:37:50.000 Look at this ocean view.

00:37:52.000 Come on.

00:37:53.000 How much of this house do you use?

00:37:54.000 Nothing.

00:37:55.000 Almost nothing.

00:37:56.000 I always say to my friends, my young comic friends that are coming up, your house is just your house.

00:38:01.000 I remember when I first got a nice apartment when I moved to North Hollywood in 1994, I got a loft apartment and a pool table in it and a nice stereo, and I was like, this is incredible!

00:38:11.000 I have a nice apartment!

00:38:12.000 This is amazing!

00:38:13.000 And then after a while, it just became my house.

00:38:16.000 It became where I live.

00:38:17.000 And I realized at that moment, I'm like, oh!

00:38:21.000 It's all the same feeling.

00:38:23.000 All you need in a house is it to be comfortable.

00:38:25.000 You need a TV and a kitchen and a couch and a bed.

00:38:29.000 It's the place that you sleep.

00:38:30.000 Yeah, it's a place where you relax.

00:38:32.000 It's not the place where you live the entirety of your life.

00:38:34.000 You can relax almost anywhere that's comfortable and safe.

00:38:37.000 That's all you need. 1.00

00:38:38.000 And then everything else is kind of bullshit. 1.00

00:38:40.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:38:41.000 It's kind of the things that you get for your money.

00:38:44.000 It's like there's a lot of things that people spend a lot of money on and they're not really worth it.

00:38:48.000 You don't really get anything out of it.

00:38:50.000 That's why it was interesting walking in here and, you know, man cave. 1.00

00:38:54.000 I hate that fucking term. 1.00

00:38:55.000 Man cave. 1.00

00:38:56.000 Man cave.

00:38:57.000 Mm-hmm. 1.00

00:38:58.000 It's a gay cave. 1.00

00:39:00.000 Well, it's a man cave because no woman would ever let me decorate this place this way. 1.00

00:39:04.000 But it's not that no woman wouldn't like it.

00:39:07.000 Well, my wife likes it when she comes here. 1.00

00:39:09.000 She just doesn't want to live in it.

00:39:10.000 Do you want to live in it?

00:39:12.000 No, I wouldn't want to live here.

00:39:13.000 But I might if I was like a single guy, I might decorate my house like this.

00:39:17.000 But the point is that there's things when I walked in here, it made me smile because I started seeing things that inspire.

00:39:23.000 And you like to surround yourself like if somebody comes in and does an interior design of your office.

00:39:29.000 Ugh.

00:39:30.000 Ugh.

00:39:31.000 Yeah.

00:39:31.000 Ugh.

00:39:32.000 And they go, we brought in this amazing fabric from Paris.

00:39:36.000 And you go, but I don't like it.

00:39:38.000 And I remember when we were doing our house, we were like...

00:39:40.000 I said, look, man, you can get things from Target.

00:39:43.000 I don't want to feel that people have to take...

00:39:45.000 I don't want anybody to feel that they have to take their shoes off.

00:39:49.000 That's what I don't.

00:39:50.000 I want them to feel that they can scuff up the floor because that's the mark that they made when they walked in my house.

00:39:56.000 And maybe I don't even like the scuff.

00:39:58.000 I don't like that they walked so heavy.

00:40:00.000 But it's their mark.

00:40:01.000 We are leaving our mark.

00:40:04.000 That's how I feel about this table.

00:40:05.000 That's why this table has all these stains on it.

00:40:07.000 Seriously, it's good.

00:40:08.000 It has character.

00:40:09.000 Yeah, it's alive.

00:40:10.000 And that's the thing.

00:40:10.000 When we built the ranch, I said, there were shelves.

00:40:14.000 I said, I want linoleum.

00:40:16.000 Or what is it?

00:40:16.000 Famica.

00:40:17.000 Linoleum on the shelves.

00:40:19.000 And we have 150-year-old barn wood, but along with linoleum. 0.99

00:40:22.000 Because linoleum reminds me of trailer parks and shit. 1.00

00:40:26.000 It just makes me fucking smile. 0.99

00:40:27.000 So I saw this thing when I walked in, because I have one. 0.97

00:40:32.000 And that is Ralph Steadman's print that you have.

00:40:35.000 Oh, okay.

00:40:36.000 And here's the story.

00:40:38.000 So Ralph Steadman, Johnny Depp gave me Ralph Steadman's number because he was close with Hunter.

00:40:43.000 And my son was graduating.

00:40:45.000 My son's an artist.

00:40:46.000 And he was obsessed with Steadman, right?

00:40:49.000 And I called Ralph Steadman.

00:40:50.000 He said, hello.

00:40:51.000 And I said, hey, I said, listen, you don't know me.

00:40:54.000 I'm a friend of Johnny's and this...

00:40:55.000 I said, you know, my son's graduating and like the greatest gift I could ever get him.

00:41:00.000 And this is not just to throw Stedman under the bus because it comes full circle.

00:41:04.000 But he says, I said, my son's graduating.

00:41:06.000 Can you do like a little thing?

00:41:08.000 I'll pay you for it.

00:41:09.000 Can you do just draw a little thing for him for his graduation? 0.99

00:41:12.000 There was a long, long pause and he goes, why the fuck would I do that? 0.98

00:41:19.000 And so that conversation went nowhere. 1.00

00:41:21.000 I was like, what the fuck? 1.00

00:41:23.000 What an asshole. 1.00

00:41:24.000 And then 20 years went past, and my book is designed by one of his protégés. 1.00

00:41:32.000 Oh, wow.

00:41:33.000 And then, so Joey Feldman, he called me one day and he said...

00:41:38.000 He said, Ralph wants to send you a print.

00:41:40.000 And I said, no way.

00:41:42.000 Does he know that we have like a history?

00:41:45.000 And he said, no, I don't think so.

00:41:47.000 So I sent him a voice memo of the history.

00:41:49.000 And I said, I never held it against you.

00:41:50.000 I totally understand it.

00:41:52.000 So he sent me one for my son and one for me.

00:41:55.000 And I have it hanging up in my house.

00:41:57.000 That's cool.

00:41:58.000 I love having that thing, man.

00:41:59.000 He was an interesting artist.

00:42:00.000 Yeah.

00:42:01.000 He is an interesting artist.

00:42:02.000 Yeah, I should say, he is. 0.99

00:42:03.000 But I mean, the stuff that he did, it's like, that's also in that Gonzo documentary where it talks about how Hunter gave him acid and mushrooms and he just started fucking writing, drawing, like really crazy shit. 0.94

00:42:15.000 And like, the thing for, do you remember the thing he did for the Kentucky Derby is decadent and depraved? 0.90

00:42:23.000 Yeah, that was like the first thing, wasn't it?

00:42:25.000 Yeah.

00:42:25.000 I think that was how they got together.

00:42:26.000 See, we can find that.

00:42:27.000 The Kentucky Derby is decadent and depraved.

00:42:30.000 Yeah.

00:42:30.000 It's a really good article, actually.

00:42:32.000 Whoa, that was fast, dude.

00:42:34.000 Yeah.

00:42:35.000 But look at that. 0.98

00:42:36.000 That article is fucking amazing. 0.98

00:42:38.000 It's an amazing article. 0.99

00:42:39.000 It's one of my favorite Hunter pieces.

00:42:40.000 And I don't think that they spent a lot of time together, but I think...

00:42:43.000 Hunter and him?

00:42:44.000 No, I don't.

00:42:45.000 There's a lot of it in the documentary where they're hanging out together.

00:42:47.000 Really?

00:42:48.000 Yeah, he picks him up at the airport and his VW bug.

00:42:50.000 No, I know it exists, but I don't think that they spent the amount of time that you would think given that they collaborated so much.

00:42:57.000 Oh.

00:42:58.000 I think Ralph was back in Britain and Hunter was...

00:43:01.000 I know, look at that.

00:43:03.000 Look at that. 1.00

00:43:05.000 See, that's the kind of shit... 1.00

00:43:07.000 Do you miss that? 1.00

00:43:07.000 Like, as part of driving your car and all that? 1.00

00:43:10.000 That's the thing from the...

00:43:11.000 Put your headphones on for a second.

00:43:13.000 Yeah.

00:43:16.000 Take the thing out for an honest run down the coast.

00:43:19.000 I would start in Golden Gate Park, thinking only to run a few long curves to clear my head.

00:43:27.000 It's so good.

00:43:43.000 I love seeing the sand in the road.

00:43:55.000 Yeah!

00:43:56.000 Then into second gear, forgetting the cars and letting the beast wind out.

00:44:00.000 Thirty-five.

00:44:01.000 Forty-five.

00:44:03.000 Then into third, not worried about green or red signals, but only some other werewolf loony.

00:44:09.000 Now there's no sound except the wind.

00:44:14.000 The needle leans down on a hundred.

00:44:16.000 The wind-burned eyeballs strain to see down the center line.

00:44:19.000 No room at all for mistakes.

00:44:24.000 That's when the strange music starts.

00:44:36.000 The Edge.

00:44:38.000 There is no honest way to explain it, because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over.

00:44:44.000 The others, the living, are those who pushed their control as far as they felt they could handle it, and then pulled back or slowed down.

00:44:55.000 But the edge is still out there. 0.94

00:45:03.000 That guy was fucking amazing. 0.97

00:45:05.000 It's great. 0.99

00:45:06.000 It was great. 0.99

00:45:07.000 It was fucking amazing. 0.74

00:45:08.000 What do you love about his writing? 0.99

00:45:10.000 And what type?

00:45:11.000 Like Fear and Loathing?

00:45:12.000 Well, I was just reading Hell's Angels recently actually.

00:45:16.000 That's the book that I go back to most.

00:45:18.000 Well, that's really him when he was starting, right?

00:45:21.000 That was the beginning of the sort of gonzo journalism stuff because he was kind of mixing in fiction with reality.

00:45:28.000 That's one of the things that pissed off the Hell's Angels is that he took a lot of liberties with the truth to try to like paint a picture.

00:45:35.000 Right.

00:45:35.000 Which was his deal, which was his style later on, is like exaggerating and kind of romancing his own life.

00:45:44.000 Well, he was out of his fucking mind. 0.99

00:45:45.000 Out of his mind, but he was also one of the most brilliant technical writers that ever was. 0.99

00:45:50.000 And that's what's forgotten.

00:45:52.000 Like, even people talk about Kerouac, and Kerouac was like, you know, he rode on the road, and he was on the road, and it was a Hunter S. Thompson type of thing.

00:46:00.000 And you're like, you know, he edited on the road for seven years.

00:46:05.000 Oh, wow.

00:46:06.000 And nobody knows that, because Kerouac kind of, like, you know, he put forth this thing of, like, first thought, best thought, don't edit, don't...

00:46:14.000 It was, again, a whole... 1.00

00:46:16.000 It's bullshit. 1.00

00:46:16.000 It's total horseshit. 1.00

00:46:17.000 Oh, wow. 0.99

00:46:17.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:46:18.000 That's why I say it goes back to writers.

00:46:20.000 It's a labor.

00:46:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:46:21.000 You sit down and you write all the fucking time. 1.00

00:46:25.000 My friend Ari, on his laptop, he's got a little piece of paper above the keyboard that says the first draft of everything is shit. 1.00

00:46:31.000 And it's true. 0.99

00:46:33.000 It's Hemingway.

00:46:33.000 Yeah, Hemingway wrote that.

00:46:35.000 You know, his first book, Hemingway's first book was lost by his wife.

00:46:39.000 What?

00:46:40.000 Yeah.

00:46:40.000 She lost it?

00:46:41.000 Yeah.

00:46:42.000 She grabbed it for him and was on a train, and then she went to the bathroom and actually left the satchel on the seat, and when she came out of the bathroom, it was gone.

00:46:50.000 Oh, my God.

00:46:51.000 Never to be found again.

00:46:52.000 Oh, my God.

00:46:53.000 Yeah, I know.

00:46:54.000 Can you imagine?

00:46:54.000 Oh, my God.

00:46:55.000 All that work.

00:46:56.000 Did that marriage work out?

00:46:57.000 I don't think so. 1.00

00:46:58.000 I bet you did it on purpose, that bitch. 1.00

00:46:59.000 Maybe. 1.00

00:47:04.000 She did it on purpose, that bitch. 1.00

00:47:07.000 Yeah, man. 1.00

00:47:08.000 I love writing.

00:47:09.000 I love when someone's a really good writer because you just get these moments where you're like, yes.

00:47:15.000 Oh, yeah.

00:47:16.000 Oh, that's it.

00:47:18.000 Yeah.

00:47:19.000 And Hunter had a lot of those moments where you're like, goddammit, that's good.

00:47:22.000 You have so many people who were great young, and I know that there's a danger and a chaos within the vortex within which they lived, but it couldn't survive.

00:47:33.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:47:33.000 Most of them.

00:47:34.000 When Hunter got... 0.99

00:47:35.000 He was just too fucking alcoholic. 0.99

00:47:37.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:47:38.000 And Dylan Thomas became too fucking alcoholic. 0.99

00:47:41.000 And it's one of those things that you go, you were literally riding... 0.98

00:47:46.000 Things that aren't possible.

00:47:48.000 You were putting together like wordsmithing things that are...

00:47:52.000 Magic.

00:47:53.000 Magic.

00:47:54.000 Yeah.

00:47:55.000 Magic.

00:47:55.000 How he was describing.

00:47:57.000 It's that thing.

00:47:58.000 Whatever it is you're doing, how do you get to that place which most people can't touch?

00:48:03.000 Well, you can't neglect your physical health.

00:48:06.000 That's the problem is that in this chase for the muse, in this dance you do with the drugs and the alcohol and the wild riding and, you know, I'm sure you've seen Hunter S. Thompson's – there's a thing that a reporter, he hung out with Hunter S. Thompson and detailed what a day in the life of Hunter S. Thompson is.

00:48:26.000 Who was it?

00:48:27.000 There's a band called Beardy Man, and Beardy Man took me and Greg Fitzsimmons reading off Hunter S. Thompson's routine, his daily routine before he writes, and made a song out of it. 0.96

00:48:40.000 It's fucking incredible.

00:48:41.000 See if you can find that. 0.99

00:48:42.000 Because the routine was so insane.

00:48:45.000 And this was really what he would do.

00:48:48.000 He would wake up at 2 in the afternoon.

00:48:50.000 Like a discipline?

00:48:50.000 No!

00:48:50.000 No.

00:48:51.000 Chaos!

00:48:51.000 Okay, great.

00:48:52.000 Full-on chaos.

00:48:52.000 Here, let's put the headphones back.

00:48:54.000 It started from the beginning.

00:48:59.000 Beardy man.

00:49:04.000 3 p.m.

00:49:05.000 Rise.

00:49:06.000 Shivas Regal with morning papers.

00:49:08.000 3.45.

00:49:09.000 Cocaine.

00:49:10.000 Another glass of Shivas.

00:49:12.000 Another Dunhill.

00:49:13.000 4.05 p.m.

00:49:15.000 By the way, first cup of coffee and a Dunhill.

00:49:17.000 4.15.

00:49:18.000 Cocaine.

00:49:50.000 Ahhhh...

00:50:12.000 Oh, wow.

00:50:25.000 So this is like an electronic dance music song that plays in clubs sometimes.

00:50:31.000 Super funny.

00:50:32.000 When did you do that?

00:50:33.000 Oh, it was a long time ago.

00:50:34.000 Many years ago.

00:50:35.000 Did you ever live like that?

00:50:36.000 No, no.

00:50:37.000 I've never even done coke.

00:50:39.000 Wow. 0.99

00:50:39.000 Yeah, I've never fucked around with coke. 0.99

00:50:41.000 I like psychedelics. 0.69

00:50:42.000 I like weed. 0.99

00:50:43.000 I like a little alcohol every now and then, but I don't fuck around with anything that's gonna kill me. 0.98

00:50:48.000 I'm not interested. 0.96

00:50:49.000 And I'm not interested in anything that helps my ego, that boosts it up, makes me fearless.

00:50:55.000 I'm not interested in any of that.

00:50:56.000 I like things that make me scared.

00:50:58.000 I like things that make me nervous.

00:51:00.000 That's what I was talking about early on.

00:51:03.000 I like to feel vulnerable.

00:51:04.000 I like it.

00:51:05.000 You like to challenge yourself.

00:51:07.000 Yeah.

00:51:08.000 Your perception and how you perceive certain things.

00:51:11.000 I think I like voluntary adversity, physical voluntary adversity, but also I think mental voluntary adversity.

00:51:19.000 And I think that's what I like about psychedelics.

00:51:22.000 I think you have to go on a journey, and you can't control it.

00:51:26.000 It takes you somewhere. 0.99

00:51:28.000 And then when you're back, you realize, like, you ain't shit. 0.99

00:51:31.000 Just get all that ego stuff out of your system. 0.93

00:51:34.000 Relax and just be appreciative and enjoy life and try to spread as much positivity as you can.

00:51:39.000 That's what you're here for.

00:51:41.000 Do your best at everything you do.

00:51:42.000 That's what you're here for.

00:51:43.000 And how do you find yourself doing that once you're not on it?

00:51:49.000 The incorporation of it into your life.

00:51:51.000 Just remember.

00:51:53.000 There's profound moments where I think it'll change you forever.

00:51:57.000 And those, if you can hold on to them.

00:51:59.000 Some people don't hold on to them.

00:52:00.000 But it's a matter of intention, right?

00:52:01.000 It's a matter of like, what are you trying to do?

00:52:03.000 Are you trying to be better at life?

00:52:05.000 Well, if you're trying to be better at life, you can hold on to it. 0.98

00:52:07.000 If you're not, if you're just trying to be the man or get all the accolades or win a fucking Grammy or whatever you're trying to do, if that's your real goal, you're going to get lost because it's a shitty goal. 0.95

00:52:19.000 How old were you when you took a hallucinogen for the first time? 0.98

00:52:22.000 30. I was 13. Whoa, son, that's a little too early.

00:52:26.000 I wouldn't recommend that.

00:52:28.000 I wouldn't recommend it either, but it changed my life.

00:52:31.000 And I had, by the way, I took it twice in a 24-hour period.

00:52:35.000 Whoa.

00:52:35.000 So I took it 13, had the greatest trip ever, like still affected by it.

00:52:40.000 Wow.

00:52:41.000 And then I took it again that night and went to hell. 0.84

00:52:43.000 Oh, no.

00:52:45.000 I don't know.

00:52:45.000 You got cocky.

00:52:47.000 No.

00:52:49.000 No.

00:52:50.000 Psychedelics want to bring you down a notch. 0.94

00:52:51.000 It just did what it did.

00:52:53.000 It did.

00:52:54.000 And I truly believe that psychedelics, I don't do psychedelics anymore, but I think I did...

00:52:58.000 But I do breath work. 0.98

00:53:00.000 I do shit like that. 0.99

00:53:01.000 And you go, can you get there? 1.00

00:53:02.000 And I go, yeah.

00:53:02.000 I've had some of the most amazing hallucinations I've ever had.

00:53:05.000 Most profound hallucinations I've ever had.

00:53:08.000 Holotropic breathing.

00:53:10.000 Breath work with Laird going off.

00:53:12.000 And if you do it long enough, you just reach a place.

00:53:14.000 Or if you're in a sauna at 240 degrees for an hour doing breath work.

00:53:17.000 Oh, yeah.

00:53:18.000 You're gonna go places.

00:53:19.000 Yeah, no doubt.

00:53:21.000 Sensory deprivation tank, you don't need anything.

00:53:23.000 Don't need anything. 1.00

00:53:23.000 You trip balls. 1.00

00:53:24.000 If they could give you in a pill form what the experience you get from a sensory deprivation tank, it would be a very popular drug. 0.90

00:53:31.000 Yeah.

00:53:31.000 And it's completely safe.

00:53:33.000 And a productive drug.

00:53:34.000 Yes, very productive.

00:53:35.000 So there's sensory, you say the sensory deprivation tank, but I just saw, you can see it online or whatever, where people literally put a thing, they go into a room and there's silence.

00:53:45.000 It's not like a, you know, where they don't talk, a meditation retreat or whatever.

00:53:49.000 But they literally go into a room by themselves.

00:53:51.000 They don't see anybody else.

00:53:53.000 They put a thick mask on, and they're in for four days.

00:53:56.000 Five days.

00:53:57.000 Have you seen that?

00:53:58.000 I have heard of people doing stuff like that.

00:54:00.000 Yeah.

00:54:00.000 What about that?

00:54:01.000 Well, I think being alone with your thoughts is uncomfortable for people, and I think a lot of people avoid that.

00:54:06.000 They avoid really thinking.

00:54:08.000 And you're forced to really think when you're in those sort of situations.

00:54:12.000 You're forced to be alone with your thoughts.

00:54:15.000 It's scary.

00:54:16.000 Well, we're always distracted.

00:54:17.000 Especially now.

00:54:19.000 We're distracted by people and devices and input and news and social media.

00:54:23.000 There's constantly stuff coming in.

00:54:26.000 And sometimes you don't...

00:54:27.000 How do I feel about everything?

00:54:29.000 Do I even know?

00:54:30.000 Have I ever really considered things?

00:54:32.000 You need time alone.

00:54:33.000 You need time to think.

00:54:35.000 That's what I really like about...

00:54:37.000 That's why I work out by myself.

00:54:39.000 That's why I like to...

00:54:40.000 You work out by yourself?

00:54:41.000 Yeah.

00:54:42.000 You don't like having a trainer.

00:54:45.000 I mean, I've had a lot of trainers.

00:54:46.000 I appreciate them for technical advice and stuff like that, but this is a meditative aspect of working out by myself that I think is very important.

00:54:54.000 It's also discipline.

00:54:56.000 It's easy to go somewhere and a guy tells you, okay, 10 reps, but I write my own workouts out.

00:55:02.000 Based on that day and how you feel.

00:55:04.000 Yeah, well, I know what I want to do.

00:55:06.000 I'm pretty good at it.

00:55:07.000 It's funny.

00:55:07.000 I haven't heard many people say that.

00:55:10.000 And it's not just some bullshit, like affectation, rebellious thing.

00:55:15.000 When I'm with it, and I appreciate trainers too, and I've worked with some great trainers, but they make me want to do less.

00:55:23.000 Why?

00:55:23.000 You know, they go, do 10. And I go, but why?

00:55:26.000 Oh no, you're one of those guys. 1.00

00:55:27.000 I'm one of those assholes. 1.00

00:55:29.000 I'm one of those assholes. 1.00

00:55:30.000 Why? 1.00

00:55:31.000 But I will actually push myself if, say, 12, just for a random word, a random number, 12 is my limit.

00:55:39.000 I'm good at pushing myself to 15. Or Jeff Cavallari, do you know who that is?

00:55:43.000 No.

00:55:43.000 Athlean-X? Oh, yeah, I've heard of that guy, yeah.

00:55:46.000 Super smart guy.

00:55:47.000 Yeah.

00:55:47.000 And we would go back and forth and I'd be like, look, if I'm at my last three reps, why do we have to rest for two minutes?

00:55:55.000 Like, who said that?

00:55:56.000 Who made that up?

00:55:57.000 Is it really a recovery thing, two minutes before you can go back into 12 more reps?

00:56:01.000 What if we just rest 30 seconds and then you're right back into...

00:56:05.000 That thing almost immediately, and those are the things that are tearing the tissues and growing the muscle and all that kind of stuff.

00:56:12.000 So just experimenting with it all.

00:56:14.000 Again, this all goes back down to what we watched of like, what are we doing to just live a little more vividly?

00:56:21.000 How are we pushing ourselves?

00:56:22.000 How are we changing our perception?

00:56:24.000 How are we pushing our perception?

00:56:25.000 Well, it depends on what you're trying to do, right?

00:56:27.000 If you're just trying to get, like, conditioned, yeah, give yourself the minimal amount of rest and do it for as long as possible and then take time off afterwards for your body to heal and then get back after it.

00:56:36.000 As a base.

00:56:37.000 As just a base.

00:56:37.000 But it depends on what you're trying to do.

00:56:38.000 If you're trying to get strong, I always recommend taking out, like, long periods of time in between sets.

00:56:46.000 I take like five minutes, maybe even more, in between sets.

00:56:49.000 To come back in at your strongest, to tell your body.

00:56:52.000 Yeah, but I have long workouts.

00:56:52.000 My workout's like two hours sometimes, two and a half hours, because I have these long breaks in between.

00:56:57.000 But because of that, you know who Pavel Tatsulini is?

00:57:00.000 No.

00:57:00.000 He's one of the godfathers of kettlebells.

00:57:03.000 He's one of the first people that introduced kettlebells to America, from Russia.

00:57:07.000 And their philosophy, his strong first philosophy, is that strength is a skill.

00:57:13.000 And you don't work on a skill when you're tired.

00:57:15.000 So it's all about how many repetitions you do, and that's what builds strength.

00:57:19.000 So it doesn't mean you have to do 10 in a row.

00:57:22.000 Like, say if 10 is your max, say if you pick up a weight, and you can do 10 cleans and presses, and on the 10th one you're like...

00:57:30.000 His philosophy is do five.

00:57:32.000 Do five, wait a long time, do another five.

00:57:35.000 So you've got the ten in, but you've got the ten in with perfect form.

00:57:39.000 Right.

00:57:39.000 And then you're still getting the same amount of repetitions, but you're not breaking yourself down to the point where you might get hurt or where you're doing it incorrectly or poor form.

00:57:48.000 So that's how I work out.

00:57:49.000 I talk to my wife a lot about that, my wife would say, because I'm all about form.

00:57:55.000 Yes. 0.99

00:57:56.000 Because otherwise you just get hurt and what's the fucking point? 1.00

00:57:58.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:57:58.000 I rarely get hurt from lifting weights. 0.99

00:58:00.000 Have you ever gotten hurt in jujitsu?

00:58:02.000 Oh, yeah.

00:58:03.000 A lot.

00:58:03.000 Everybody tears and pops.

00:58:05.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:58:06.000 I've had surgeries and fucking bulging discs and torn this and torn that. 0.99

00:58:12.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:58:12.000 You have to. 0.99

00:58:13.000 I had sciatica.

00:58:14.000 It's a sport where you're trying to kill each other.

00:58:19.000 That's true. 0.99

00:58:20.000 You try to get really good at killing people with your body. 0.97

00:58:23.000 So other people are doing that to you. 0.65

00:58:24.000 I had sciatica for a year and a half.

00:58:28.000 Bad sciatica.

00:58:29.000 Nine millimeter slip between L5 and S1. How'd you get rid of it?

00:58:34.000 And they wanted to do surgery.

00:58:36.000 And I had had surgery when I was really young because I had a slipped disc between C5 and C6. And they took out part of my hip and they went in through my neck.

00:58:44.000 They moved everything over and they replaced my disc with part of my hip back when they used to do that.

00:58:50.000 They used to replace your disc with part of your hip?

00:58:52.000 Yeah, they would chisel out a part of your hip. 0.94

00:58:55.000 Like a bone?

00:58:55.000 Yeah.

00:58:56.000 And that's what your disc was now?

00:58:58.000 A piece of bone?

00:58:59.000 It is now.

00:59:00.000 That doesn't even make sense.

00:59:01.000 Your disc is supposed to be spongy.

00:59:03.000 I know.

00:59:03.000 I don't understand why.

00:59:04.000 They put a piece of bone in there?

00:59:06.000 Yeah, and it worked.

00:59:07.000 Really?

00:59:07.000 It actually worked.

00:59:08.000 Yeah.

00:59:08.000 Dr. Delamarder.

00:59:09.000 I'll never forget his name.

00:59:11.000 Jesus.

00:59:13.000 So, yeah.

00:59:13.000 And then they used cadaver bone for a while, and now they use what?

00:59:17.000 Well, it depends.

00:59:18.000 There's artificial discs.

00:59:20.000 I know a couple people that have artificial discs.

00:59:23.000 And it worked.

00:59:23.000 Yeah, my friend Eddie got it done in his lower back.

00:59:25.000 He was basically bone-on-bone, constant inflammation.

00:59:29.000 So he got a titanium-articulating disc that's in his back.

00:59:32.000 What is this?

00:59:33.000 Surgeon may take a small piece of bone from the hip called an autograft to use in a neck surgery called interior cervical disectomy and fusion.

00:59:39.000 The bone is placed between the space between the vertebrae to stimulate bone healing and promote fusion.

00:59:44.000 Oh, so you got your neck fused.

00:59:46.000 Yeah, they call it a Brolin graft.

00:59:48.000 Oh really?

00:59:49.000 No.

00:59:52.000 So that's different.

00:59:54.000 You've got your neck fused.

00:59:56.000 Fused.

00:59:57.000 Which they probably don't even do fusion.

00:59:59.000 They do.

00:59:59.000 They still do fusions.

01:00:01.000 Well, if it's a massive break or something like that, maybe.

01:00:03.000 Yeah, I don't recommend it.

01:00:05.000 There's other ways you can heal bulging discs.

01:00:08.000 And one of them is there's a process called Regenikine.

01:00:11.000 And Regenikine is, I had that done in LA, in Santa Monica.

01:00:17.000 They used to do it in Germany.

01:00:18.000 They used to have to go to Germany to do it.

01:00:19.000 And Kobe Bryant went over there and Peyton Manning went over there.

01:00:22.000 And what they do is they take your blood out.

01:00:24.000 It's like platelet-rich plasma, but it's a more advanced version of it.

01:00:29.000 And they spin your blood in the centrifuge and they add some stuff to it and it turns it into one of the most potent anti-inflammatories.

01:00:36.000 And then what they do is you lie down there and they inject it in your back.

01:00:40.000 They have these little needles.

01:00:41.000 I think there's an Instagram post of me getting it done on my lower back.

01:00:45.000 Did you have a slip disc in your lower back?

01:00:47.000 Bulging.

01:00:49.000 It's essentially a bulging disc, but it can go back.

01:00:51.000 Bulging disc can go back.

01:00:53.000 That was my experience.

01:00:54.000 You also have to have traction, like decompression.

01:00:58.000 There it is.

01:01:00.000 So that's my back.

01:01:01.000 I had that done. 1.00

01:01:02.000 So they take that and they stick all that shit. 1.00

01:01:04.000 And they drill that, don't they? 1.00

01:01:06.000 They just put holes.

01:01:07.000 No, it's just needles.

01:01:09.000 I know it's needles, but it's not like acupuncture.

01:01:12.000 They actually drill that. 0.84

01:01:13.000 Then they put the needle in, don't they?

01:01:15.000 No.

01:01:16.000 No, they just shove that needle in place. 0.58

01:01:17.000 It's just like a syringe.

01:01:19.000 On each side of your spinal column, right?

01:01:20.000 Yeah.

01:01:21.000 It's like a syringe.

01:01:22.000 And then inside the syringe, they pump in the Regenicane stuff.

01:01:25.000 Yeah.

01:01:26.000 And then it...

01:01:27.000 It fills those areas up with this platelet-rich plasma that's been enhanced, and it just heals everything.

01:01:34.000 And did you feel like it helped?

01:01:35.000 Oh yeah, absolutely.

01:01:37.000 It helped my neck so much. 1.00

01:01:39.000 My neck was so fucked. 1.00

01:01:41.000 Jacked. 1.00

01:01:41.000 My neck was so fucked I was getting numb fingers and pain in my elbow. 1.00

01:01:45.000 I have that now. 0.99

01:01:46.000 Do you really?

01:01:46.000 Yeah.

01:01:47.000 You should go to that place.

01:01:49.000 Yeah, and when I ride motorcycles also, I have my hands up like that.

01:01:52.000 I mean, I have shoulder issues.

01:01:54.000 But I have a, that slip disc was a 9mm slip.

01:01:57.000 Why do you like to do this?

01:01:57.000 Huh?

01:01:58.000 Why not do this?

01:01:59.000 Why this?

01:02:00.000 Because that looks cooler.

01:02:01.000 Does it?

01:02:02.000 Not to me.

01:02:03.000 It looks super cool when you're doing it right now. 0.97

01:02:05.000 This looks retarded. 1.00

01:02:06.000 This looks retarded. 1.00

01:02:07.000 This looks retarded. 1.00

01:02:07.000 This looks good. 1.00

01:02:08.000 This looks like you can avoid things.

01:02:09.000 Put it up super high.

01:02:10.000 You can move around.

01:02:11.000 Put it up super high.

01:02:11.000 This is like, when you have to turn.

01:02:14.000 Yeah.

01:02:14.000 Like, how are you going to turn like that?

01:02:15.000 You're not going to do a good job.

01:02:16.000 You look like a gorilla.

01:02:17.000 This is better.

01:02:18.000 This is better.

01:02:19.000 What about that?

01:02:20.000 This is better.

01:02:20.000 What about this?

01:02:21.000 Well, Ducatis.

01:02:22.000 I mean, that's like you're down like this, right?

01:02:24.000 That's when I finally crashed, was a Ducati.

01:02:26.000 Oh, really? 0.73

01:02:27.000 You went crazy?

01:02:27.000 No, I didn't go crazy.

01:02:28.000 I didn't do anything differently.

01:02:30.000 With parlies, you go slower.

01:02:32.000 Right.

01:02:32.000 You ride.

01:02:33.000 And it's loud, so people know you're there.

01:02:36.000 Thank you.

01:02:37.000 That's a big one.

01:02:37.000 It's huge.

01:02:38.000 They have electric bikes now.

01:02:40.000 I'm like, do you want to die?

01:02:41.000 They're fast.

01:02:41.000 They're so fast, but do you want to die?

01:02:44.000 They make no sound.

01:02:45.000 Nobody can hear you.

01:02:46.000 If I'm riding in a grid of 16 guys, because everybody thinks Hell's Angels.

01:02:51.000 I go, there's nothing about it that's trying to emulate Hell's Angels, Mongols, any of that 1%er thing. 1.00

01:02:56.000 But when you hear that rumble coming down the road, you can't wait to get the fuck out of the way. 0.96

01:03:02.000 Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. 0.94

01:03:04.000 And that helps us.

01:03:05.000 That definitely helps you stay alive.

01:03:06.000 Yeah, man.

01:03:07.000 Yeah, loud pipes save lives.

01:03:09.000 I've heard that many times.

01:03:10.000 So to finish that thought, what I did was is I went to...

01:03:14.000 I started...

01:03:15.000 Instead of resting, which is what doctors normally say, they say, do surgery, do surgery, rest, sleep, see if that helps.

01:03:22.000 If it doesn't help, do surgery.

01:03:25.000 And I did the opposite, which later, you know, Laird was like, anytime you get hurt, Laird will be like, movement, movement, movement, movement.

01:03:32.000 But this was before all that.

01:03:34.000 But I started working out, and it got worse, and it got worse, and it got worse. 0.96

01:03:38.000 But I continued to work out, and I started running, and I started doing pistol squats, and all this kind of shit. 0.95

01:03:43.000 And then one day it was gone. 0.82

01:03:45.000 And I never came back.

01:03:47.000 Really?

01:03:47.000 Never came back.

01:03:48.000 So you just beat it out of you?

01:03:49.000 I beat it out of me.

01:03:50.000 Wow.

01:03:51.000 Yeah.

01:03:52.000 Yeah, movement is everything.

01:03:53.000 You need circulation.

01:03:54.000 You need blood in there, which is why they do PRP, which is why they do stem cell work or whatever.

01:03:59.000 Yeah.

01:04:00.000 And if you're just sitting there, the problem is you're also going to – your body is going to atrophy.

01:04:05.000 You're going to lose strength.

01:04:06.000 And then it's going to make whatever injured that area in the first place – But that was always promoted by doctors.

01:04:11.000 Why would that always be promoted by doctors?

01:04:13.000 Again, whether it's politicians or whether it's doctors or whether they're telling you this is – You got to eat from the four food groups, man.

01:04:21.000 You're going to die otherwise.

01:04:22.000 Well, you know, there's a lot to that stuff. 1.00

01:04:25.000 But, you know, the four food group shit is a lot of people just not knowing what the fuck they're talking about. 0.99

01:04:31.000 That's what I mean. 0.99

01:04:31.000 And also there's a different perception back then of like what was healthy versus now. 0.99

01:04:37.000 But it's also a lot of these doctors, they're not athletes, and they don't really understand what's possible with the body.

01:04:44.000 They just know how to fix things when they break.

01:04:45.000 And then for the average person, they say just rest. 0.98

01:04:49.000 Because the average person is not going to fucking do what you're doing anyway. 0.97

01:04:52.000 So it's like, why tell them? 0.98

01:04:53.000 What you really need to do is constant movement and just beat that injury into submission.

01:04:58.000 That's right.

01:04:59.000 And no one's going to tell you that.

01:05:00.000 How do I feel better?

01:05:01.000 Lose some weight.

01:05:01.000 Yeah.

01:05:02.000 Like, go do that uncomfortable thing.

01:05:05.000 Start walking.

01:05:06.000 Start slow.

01:05:07.000 Maybe jog a little bit.

01:05:08.000 Maybe lift a little something. 0.98

01:05:09.000 That's why when you see those videos of these guys that just, for whatever is in their personality, they've had fucking enough. 0.98

01:05:15.000 They're 400 pounds and they go, that's it. 0.99

01:05:18.000 Buck stops here. 1.00

01:05:19.000 I'm going to start doing my shit. 0.99

01:05:21.000 Yeah, they hit rock bottom. 1.00

01:05:22.000 They hit rock bottom. 0.99

01:05:23.000 And then you see this, again, what we were talking about before, incentive, where they just go, I don't give a shit. 0.99

01:05:28.000 Well, isn't that the same with everything? 0.99

01:05:30.000 Isn't that how you quit drinking?

01:05:31.000 You just hit rock bottom?

01:05:32.000 I was just about to say that.

01:05:33.000 Yeah, but you don't...

01:05:34.000 I hit rock bottom when I was 15. I was shooting coke at 15. Jeez.

01:05:39.000 So, yeah, the thing that you didn't want to try.

01:05:42.000 I did want to try.

01:05:43.000 But that was that group.

01:05:44.000 That's why so many of those guys died.

01:05:45.000 You know what I mean?

01:05:46.000 Yeah.

01:05:47.000 When I look at Hunter S. Thompson, who I love as a writer, when I look at Dylan Thomas, who I love as a writer, and all these guys that had this kind of amazing life, and I feel, too, paralleled.

01:05:57.000 I had an amazing life, except nobody cared about mine.

01:06:00.000 People really cared about theirs. 0.99

01:06:02.000 I was just Josh that you wanted to stay the fuck away from. 0.99

01:06:05.000 We're like, that motherfucker's great to spend like an hour with, and then once it hits 10 o'clock and the moon comes out and the clouds part, you don't want to be anywhere around. 0.99

01:06:15.000 Oh. 0.98

01:06:16.000 Yeah.

01:06:16.000 But then you get to that point where you go, when did Hunter S. Thompson, when did these guys just become like some kind of clown mask of themselves?

01:06:27.000 Right.

01:06:28.000 Do you know what I mean?

01:06:28.000 Well, in the end, Hunter was definitely that.

01:06:30.000 Did you ever see when Hunter was on Conan O'Brien's show?

01:06:33.000 No.

01:06:34.000 It was horrible.

01:06:34.000 He could barely talk.

01:06:36.000 He barely could understand him.

01:06:38.000 Everything was mumbling.

01:06:40.000 It was real weird. 1.00

01:06:42.000 He got in a gunfight with his fucking neighbors. 1.00

01:06:45.000 He was shooting at his neighbors. 1.00

01:06:46.000 That's what I mean.

01:06:47.000 At what point does it turn?

01:06:48.000 He was a full-on drunk.

01:06:50.000 But it wasn't just that.

01:06:51.000 His body was rapidly deteriorating.

01:06:53.000 He had hip replacement surgery.

01:06:55.000 And he was only 67, I think.

01:06:57.000 That's not old, man.

01:06:59.000 No, not that old.

01:07:00.000 That's young.

01:07:01.000 Not that old for what?

01:07:01.000 How old are you?

01:07:02.000 57. I'm 56. Yeah.

01:07:04.000 Like, my mom died at 55. The whole thing this book became was my mom dying at 55 and me thinking back then, she lived a nice long life.

01:07:13.000 Isn't that crazy? 0.99

01:07:14.000 It's fucking crazy. 0.97

01:07:15.000 And then it turned out that I was 55 when I wrote the book, which had never even... 0.99

01:07:19.000 Oh, wow.

01:07:20.000 The book kind of dictated itself. 1.00

01:07:21.000 And then I went, holy fuck, I'm 55. Wow. 0.99

01:07:24.000 I'm super young. 0.99

01:07:27.000 Fucking super young. 0.98

01:07:29.000 Like, yes, I have some joint issues, but I'm young for the most part. 0.99

01:07:33.000 For the most part.

01:07:33.000 Yeah, you're physically healthy.

01:07:34.000 You're not falling apart.

01:07:35.000 You just have a few issues, which is just wear and tear of life.

01:07:39.000 That's it.

01:07:40.000 Yeah, but there's some people that if you don't take care of yourself and you don't eat well, and there's also a lot of other factors, genetic factors, but you could fall apart pretty quick.

01:07:50.000 But if you're a guy like Hunter that's doing coke and drinking every night, You can't do that.

01:07:54.000 No, you can't.

01:07:55.000 And the writing was bad.

01:07:57.000 The only time he wrote anything good in later years was 2001, right after 9-11.

01:08:02.000 Right after 9-11, he wrote this great piece.

01:08:05.000 I want to say it was for Sports Illustrated.

01:08:07.000 I forget who he wrote it for.

01:08:09.000 He wrote this really great piece talking about what happens next after the Twin Towers fall.

01:08:15.000 He wrote this thing about waking up in the morning, seeing the Twin Towers fall, and then realizing what's ahead for us.

01:08:24.000 It was very prescient.

01:08:25.000 It was very good.

01:08:27.000 Was it accurate?

01:08:28.000 Yeah, it was dead on.

01:08:30.000 And it was vintage Hunter.

01:08:32.000 It's like he tapped back into it.

01:08:35.000 It's on ESPN. ESPN, that's it.

01:08:39.000 ESPN, this is the article?

01:08:41.000 Yeah, this is the article.

01:08:42.000 Would you send me this article if it's an article, a long article?

01:08:45.000 Yeah, I'll send it to you.

01:08:45.000 I would love that.

01:08:46.000 Yeah.

01:08:47.000 This is the whole thing.

01:08:50.000 I mean, what's so great is when you go...

01:08:53.000 I mean, this is kind of popping all over the place, but when you go back and you look at all the politicians, whatever side...

01:09:01.000 Whatever red, blue they lean toward, it didn't matter because Hunter was there kind of looking for something different and it wasn't all about him.

01:09:09.000 When it came down, they all describe Hunter as just like crazy, it was so much fun to hang out with him, but there was never a lack of he was super intelligent and wanted the best for everybody.

01:09:20.000 He was a real patriot.

01:09:22.000 He was a true patriot.

01:09:23.000 Yeah.

01:09:24.000 Did you ever read Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail?

01:09:26.000 Yeah.

01:09:26.000 That's one of the more interesting pieces, because you got this guy who's following around the campaign trail, and he knows he's only in it for this one time.

01:09:34.000 So he's not like any of these other reporters.

01:09:36.000 He's just writing a book.

01:09:37.000 Yeah, what are you going to do?

01:09:38.000 Fire him?

01:09:38.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:09:40.000 And not only that, you can't, because he's going to write a book.

01:09:42.000 Like, he's writing a book.

01:09:43.000 You can't fire him.

01:09:44.000 Whether you like it or not.

01:09:44.000 Yeah, whether you like it or not, he's writing that book.

01:09:46.000 But, you know, he's dropping acid.

01:09:48.000 He's talking to these guys into drinking. 0.99

01:09:50.000 Like, he's taking all these, like, fucking nerdy political reporters. 0.99

01:09:53.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:09:53.000 And he's introducing them to a perspective that they're not aware of. 0.98

01:09:58.000 They don't know anybody like that. 0.97

01:10:00.000 And the book is fucking incredible. 0.84

01:10:02.000 But when you see Gonzo, when you see, it's funny how much we're talking about Hunter Thompson, but when you see Gonzo, I don't know if it was in Gonzo or another documentary, you see how they're affected by it. 0.94

01:10:12.000 You see a humanity in them because of him that you don't normally get to see.

01:10:16.000 Right.

01:10:16.000 Don't you agree?

01:10:17.000 Yes.

01:10:18.000 Yeah.

01:10:18.000 He made you question a lot of things.

01:10:20.000 Yeah.

01:10:21.000 And when people question things, they're like, what am I doing?

01:10:24.000 Yeah, why am I here?

01:10:25.000 What is my purpose?

01:10:26.000 Or did I have a purpose when I was young and I just fell into this political status quo?

01:10:30.000 And he even was questioning, like in the documentary, he was like, I don't even know what people want anymore.

01:10:36.000 Do they want Hunter S. Thompson or they want Gonzo?

01:10:38.000 It's not even me anymore.

01:10:39.000 It's like I'm a prisoner of this thing that I've created.

01:10:42.000 And that's the thing that happens to people where they develop this sort of image and persona.

01:10:48.000 And then you feel like you're trapped by it.

01:10:51.000 People have expectations when they meet you.

01:10:53.000 Kenison talked about that.

01:10:55.000 Did you know Kenison?

01:10:56.000 No, unfortunately.

01:10:58.000 I did.

01:10:58.000 Did you?

01:10:58.000 I did.

01:10:58.000 No shit.

01:11:00.000 And not because of drugs, just because I was around. 0.99

01:11:03.000 What year was this?

01:11:04.000 When did he die?

01:11:06.000 A 90-ish, 92 maybe?

01:11:09.000 I was in New York, so it had to be pre-94.

01:11:13.000 Probably 90. Somewhere around then.

01:11:15.000 I would say 90. I knew him.

01:11:17.000 90, 91. It was through a friend that I met him and then he liked me.

01:11:21.000 Wow.

01:11:22.000 And sweet, incredibly sweet guy. 1.00

01:11:25.000 He was a motherfucker, dude. 1.00

01:11:26.000 Motherfucker. 1.00

01:11:27.000 This guy does bottle cap art. 1.00

01:11:29.000 Go to my Instagram, Jamie, and see that photo.

01:11:32.000 This guy just made this insane bottle cap art piece of Kinnison for my comedy club, and we put it up last night.

01:11:40.000 Is he a hero of yours?

01:11:41.000 Oh, yeah.

01:11:42.000 He was one of the first...

01:11:43.000 There it is.

01:11:44.000 Ow, ow, ow! 1.00

01:11:45.000 That's all bottle caps. 1.00

01:11:47.000 Oh, no shit? 0.99

01:11:48.000 Yeah, those are bottle caps if you zoom in. 1.00

01:11:50.000 Wow, man.

01:11:50.000 Yeah.

01:11:51.000 That's like in prison when they use cigarette packs and do...

01:11:55.000 Patricia Arquette gave me a piece of art with a bunch of cigarette packs put together.

01:12:00.000 Oh, really?

01:12:00.000 Yeah, they make frames.

01:12:01.000 That was it.

01:12:02.000 Oh, wow.

01:12:03.000 Same kind of thing.

01:12:04.000 Yeah, this guy, his name is Jam Bottle Cap Art, J-A-M Bottle Cap Art.

01:12:09.000 He does a bunch of different pieces of bottle cap art.

01:12:12.000 Yeah, he's really good.

01:12:13.000 It's really, really cool stuff.

01:12:15.000 You need my picture outside.

01:12:16.000 I saw all your mug shots.

01:12:19.000 I'd love to have a mug shot of you. 0.96

01:12:20.000 I'll send you one.

01:12:21.000 Is it good? 1.00

01:12:21.000 How fucked up do you look? 1.00

01:12:23.000 Pretty fucked up. 1.00

01:12:25.000 I got a smile on my face. 0.99

01:12:26.000 When somebody smiles during a mug shot, I always find that really funny.

01:12:30.000 So when you met Kinison, was it at a show?

01:12:33.000 No.

01:12:34.000 Oh, it might have been the comedy club.

01:12:36.000 I'd only been a few times.

01:12:38.000 Comedy store?

01:12:38.000 Sorry, comedy store.

01:12:39.000 He was out of there by then.

01:12:40.000 He was out of there by 90. Well, what's the one down the road by where Greenblatt's used to be?

01:12:45.000 Laugh Factory.

01:12:46.000 Yeah.

01:12:47.000 Yeah, you like those?

01:12:47.000 I do.

01:12:48.000 I love those things.

01:12:48.000 Very much.

01:12:49.000 The Laugh Factory.

01:12:50.000 The Laugh Factory.

01:12:51.000 It might have been that.

01:12:52.000 Yeah, he got kicked out of the comedy store, I think, in like 87 or 88. No, then it wasn't there.

01:12:58.000 Yeah, it was probably the Laugh Factory.

01:13:00.000 But that's not where I met him.

01:13:01.000 I met him at a house.

01:13:02.000 Okay.

01:13:03.000 I met him at a house and I never went to a lot of those parties.

01:13:05.000 I was just not part of that.

01:13:07.000 Sam wasn't invited.

01:13:09.000 But I met him and he was really sweet, man.

01:13:15.000 Mellow out.

01:13:16.000 It wasn't like a thing.

01:13:17.000 It wasn't an act all the time.

01:13:19.000 Right.

01:13:19.000 You know?

01:13:20.000 But he was a prisoner to that thing that he became.

01:13:23.000 For sure.

01:13:23.000 Yeah.

01:13:24.000 His brother wrote a great book.

01:13:25.000 It's called Brother Sam.

01:13:26.000 It's a really, really good book describing the ascent of his career and how it fucked him up and what happened to him.

01:13:33.000 And what do you think it was?

01:13:35.000 Drugs.

01:13:35.000 Drugs and partying and just...

01:13:37.000 And stratospheric fame.

01:13:39.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:13:39.000 Wasn't it instantaneous for him?

01:13:40.000 Pretty quick.

01:13:42.000 So in 1986, he's on Roddy Dangerfield's Young Comedian Special, and then he does an insane...

01:13:49.000 To this day, holds up HBO Hour.

01:13:52.000 And then those two things, and then an album that he made called Louder Than Hell...

01:13:58.000 And those things are the best things he ever does.

01:14:02.000 Everything after that becomes like a significant drop-off.

01:14:06.000 And in the end, he was basically a caricature of who he used to be.

01:14:09.000 Yeah, a caricature of himself.

01:14:10.000 Exactly.

01:14:11.000 And he just was captured.

01:14:13.000 Yeah.

01:14:13.000 But it's also...

01:14:14.000 Imprisoned.

01:14:15.000 There wasn't anybody to tell you how to do it back then.

01:14:18.000 There was only a few, like, massively famous comedians back then.

01:14:22.000 There wasn't a lot of us.

01:14:23.000 It wasn't like today.

01:14:25.000 Today, there's like a giant community of comedians.

01:14:29.000 We all talk to each other and figure it out together.

01:14:31.000 And everybody's just about...

01:14:33.000 Making better stuff.

01:14:35.000 It's not about like getting hugely famous. 1.00

01:14:37.000 The ones that just want to get hugely famous, they're all mentally ill. 1.00

01:14:41.000 And usually their career drops off, their comedy starts to suck. 1.00

01:14:45.000 They're trying to do the wrong thing.

01:14:47.000 So in Kinison in the beginning, He just wanted to be the best he could be.

01:14:52.000 He just wanted to be really fucking good at comedy, and coming from this tent preacher, so he's like this revival tent preacher, and then he gets into stand-up comedy, and he has this charisma and this ability to deliver that's so different than everybody else. 0.95

01:15:08.000 And he's this short, fat guy, so when he talks about being married and living in hell, he kind of empathizes with it. 0.99

01:15:14.000 This fucking guy's amazing. 1.00

01:15:16.000 And revolutionized comedy. 1.00

01:15:17.000 Changed comedy.

01:15:18.000 He was the first guy that I ever saw that made me think I could do comedy.

01:15:22.000 Because before then, I loved comedy.

01:15:24.000 I always loved stand-up.

01:15:25.000 But I loved it because it was funny.

01:15:27.000 I would just like to watch, you know, Jerry Seinfeld on TV. Oh, these guys are so funny.

01:15:31.000 Isn't that funny because you're so different than he is, and yet he was the one that you paralleled with that, like, liberated you?

01:15:36.000 Yeah, well, he was wild.

01:15:38.000 That was the thing.

01:15:39.000 I never felt like I fit in.

01:15:40.000 I always felt like I didn't want to be around polite people.

01:15:44.000 I didn't want, like, you know, if a girl wanted me to go over to her house and have dinner with her parents, I was like, oh, Jesus. 0.99

01:15:49.000 I'm fucked. 1.00

01:15:50.000 They're going to think I'm fucking crazy. 1.00

01:15:52.000 But I was a kickboxer. 0.98

01:15:53.000 You know, I was a kid who had, I went from, you know, when I was 15 years old, I got like deeply involved in martial arts.

01:16:01.000 My entire social life up until like 21, 22 was just traveling around the country fighting.

01:16:07.000 And so I was feral.

01:16:09.000 My mindset was just, I just didn't fit in.

01:16:13.000 I couldn't wear a suit jacket and pretend to be the guy.

01:16:16.000 Did you ever notice?

01:16:17.000 I wasn't that guy.

01:16:18.000 Hello, sir.

01:16:19.000 It's great to meet you. 0.97

01:16:20.000 Things that I thought were funny, other people would think were fucked up. 0.99

01:16:23.000 But my fucked up friends would think were funny. 0.99

01:16:25.000 And those are the ones who talked me into doing stand-up. 1.00

01:16:27.000 But they were equally fucked up. 0.98

01:16:28.000 Did you start stand-up back then? 0.99

01:16:30.000 In Boston, in 88. In 88?

01:16:32.000 Yeah.

01:16:33.000 And I went to see Kinison in 89. I got to see him live in 89. I got to see him three times.

01:16:40.000 One time when I was working, I was working at Great Woods Center for the Performing Arts, and he was performing there.

01:16:46.000 And I got to see him live.

01:16:48.000 I was a security guard.

01:16:49.000 It was this place in Mansfield.

01:16:51.000 Yeah, the whole Taekwondo team that I was a part of got jobs.

01:16:54.000 Is that what you did, Taekwondo?

01:16:55.000 Yeah.

01:16:56.000 That's what I used to compete in.

01:16:57.000 Oh, no kidding.

01:16:58.000 Where'd you compete out of?

01:16:59.000 Jun Chong.

01:17:00.000 Where was that?

01:17:01.000 LA. Okay.

01:17:02.000 Taekwondo.

01:17:03.000 Yeah.

01:17:04.000 I fought in L.A. when I lived in Boston.

01:17:06.000 I fought in Anaheim in the Nationals.

01:17:08.000 Right on.

01:17:09.000 I traveled all over the country competing.

01:17:12.000 That's all I did.

01:17:13.000 And one of the guys who worked with us, one of the guys who trained with us got a job as a security guard.

01:17:19.000 And the guy was like, hey, do you know any more guys who know how to fight?

01:17:23.000 We need more guys like that to work for us.

01:17:26.000 They just hired a bunch of us.

01:17:27.000 Right.

01:17:27.000 And so we got to see all these crazy concerts.

01:17:31.000 I got to see Bon Jovi.

01:17:33.000 I got to see Bill Cosby, which was kind of crazy.

01:17:35.000 No way.

01:17:35.000 Yeah.

01:17:36.000 I saw Rodney Dangerfield.

01:17:37.000 And Rodney Dangerfield was – there was this backstage area.

01:17:41.000 And Rodney Dangerfield was naked with a bathrobe on.

01:17:44.000 And that's how he would go on stage.

01:17:47.000 At the end of his career, Rodney would go, and by the way, murdered. 0.99

01:17:51.000 I mean, I was fucking crying, laughing. 0.98

01:17:55.000 He was probably, I don't know how old he was in 89, but he was old. 1.00

01:18:00.000 And this fucking guy was just on stage with a bathrobe on naked. 1.00

01:18:06.000 Killing it. 1.00

01:18:06.000 Giant hog hanging out of his fucking pants. 1.00

01:18:10.000 And he was just hanging out, smoking pot, and then he would go on stage with a bathrobe on and just kill. 1.00

01:18:16.000 Because he wanted to be comfortable.

01:18:18.000 How did other comedians feel about him?

01:18:21.000 Oh, they loved him.

01:18:22.000 They loved him.

01:18:22.000 Everybody loved Rodney.

01:18:23.000 Rodney was one of the most universally loved comedians ever, because he helped other comedians.

01:18:29.000 Like, Rodney Dangerfield He did these things, the Rodney Dangerfield specials, like Rodney and Friends.

01:18:35.000 And so he introduced the world to Dice Clay, Sam Kinison, Robert Schimmel, Lenny Clark, Dom Irera, like some of the greats.

01:18:46.000 And they all came out of his Rodney Dangerfield and Friends specials.

01:18:50.000 They were some of the greatest specials ever.

01:18:52.000 Because he would have all these guys that he thought were worth seeing, and he would put them out there to the world, and they all became superstars.

01:18:59.000 I mean, that's how Sam Kinison launched.

01:19:00.000 He launched from Rodney.

01:19:02.000 And so Bill Hicks, a lot of people, launched from Rodney.

01:19:07.000 So everybody loved Rodney.

01:19:08.000 He was just loved.

01:19:09.000 I know he's your buddy, because comedians, I used to listen, I used to have six albums, and one was a bloody red vinyl.

01:19:17.000 Remember the Red Albums?

01:19:19.000 Sure, yeah, yeah.

01:19:20.000 And I don't know where I got them.

01:19:22.000 I think I got them from like a flea market or something, but they were Lenny Bruce.

01:19:26.000 Oh, yeah.

01:19:27.000 And that was the beginning.

01:19:28.000 He was the first.

01:19:29.000 He was the first.

01:19:30.000 He was the first real modern stand-up comedian. 1.00

01:19:33.000 Everybody else just told jokes, like two guys walking to a bar, like that kind of shit. 1.00

01:19:36.000 Totally. 0.99

01:19:37.000 He was the first guy that was like, why do we do this?

01:19:40.000 And why is that?

01:19:41.000 Yeah.

01:19:41.000 Where he questioned it.

01:19:42.000 Yeah.

01:19:43.000 Questioned authority.

01:19:44.000 And people would come to see him because in the 60s, everybody was so confused at how to think.

01:19:49.000 Like, what?

01:19:50.000 Yeah.

01:19:50.000 What are we doing?

01:19:51.000 And this guy was like this.

01:19:52.000 And how do we treat each other?

01:19:54.000 Yes.

01:19:54.000 And then he'd literally point people out and he'd go, Eve and Kike and there's a Mick.

01:19:58.000 And people would go, what the fuck is he doing? 0.99

01:20:00.000 Right, right, right, right, right. 0.99

01:20:01.000 At the most tense time.

01:20:03.000 Yes.

01:20:03.000 And then he'd bring it around.

01:20:04.000 And that's why it reminds me of Chappelle. 0.99

01:20:07.000 Because Chappelle would get so seemingly or ostensibly inappropriate and then somehow bring it around and you go, fucking Jesus. 0.99

01:20:16.000 Dave's a master. 1.00

01:20:17.000 Master.

01:20:17.000 And he's a real artist.

01:20:19.000 That's a guy.

01:20:20.000 You know when I talk about people that only start thinking about money?

01:20:23.000 That's not him. 0.98

01:20:24.000 That dude lives in fucking Springfield, Ohio and just travels around and just does a lot of shows for no money. 0.99

01:20:31.000 He does a lot of shows for no money. 1.00

01:20:33.000 He just shows up and performs.

01:20:35.000 One time I was in Denver and I get off stage.

01:20:38.000 It's a second show Friday night.

01:20:40.000 So it's 10 o'clock show.

01:20:41.000 Show's over.

01:20:42.000 I get off stage.

01:20:43.000 I go into the green room.

01:20:43.000 Dave's there.

01:20:44.000 I go, Dave, what are you doing here, man?

01:20:45.000 He goes, I thought I'd come out and visit you. 0.99

01:20:47.000 Just hops on a fucking private jet and flies to Denver because he knew I was there. 0.99

01:20:51.000 Didn't even tell me. 1.00

01:20:52.000 Just shows up.

01:20:53.000 And then I go, do you want to go on stage?

01:20:55.000 He goes, oh, should I? I go, fuck yeah. 1.00

01:20:57.000 So I ran out while the people were leaving. 1.00

01:20:59.000 The show was already over.

01:21:00.000 I go, everybody, tell everybody on the stairs, come back.

01:21:03.000 Dave Chappelle's here. 0.91

01:21:04.000 Crazy.

01:21:04.000 So they all come back in and sit down again.

01:21:06.000 And how long did they go out for?

01:21:07.000 And he does like 45 minutes. 1.00

01:21:08.000 And it was right around when Trump was doing, when he got caught saying, grab him by the pussy. 1.00

01:21:13.000 So he had like 10 minutes of a grab him by the pussy. 1.00

01:21:16.000 It was fucking genius. 1.00

01:21:18.000 It was so good. 1.00

01:21:20.000 Off the top of his head, though?

01:21:21.000 Oh, no.

01:21:22.000 He, I mean...

01:21:23.000 I don't know exactly how Dave creates material.

01:21:27.000 I think what Dave does is spends a lot of time thinking and listening to music and coming up with ideas.

01:21:33.000 And he writes some stuff down, but a lot of what he does is just performs constantly.

01:21:40.000 He's constantly on stage working these things out.

01:21:41.000 You said it earlier, artist.

01:21:42.000 He's a real artist.

01:21:43.000 That's the difference between somebody who's just good at what they do and somebody who is an innate artist.

01:21:49.000 He's a real artist.

01:21:50.000 He's a hero of mine.

01:21:51.000 He's a hero of mine, too.

01:21:52.000 He's a good friend.

01:21:53.000 But he gets these giant deals with Netflix where he makes a lot of money.

01:21:57.000 Yeah.

01:21:57.000 Which is great, but he doesn't do it for money.

01:22:00.000 He's doing it for art. 0.98

01:22:02.000 No, but what you can tell is he gets these like, oh, he turned down $50 million, went crazy, moved to Ohio, or whatever the fucking story is that you want to make up.

01:22:10.000 But then he comes back, he makes these $20 million deals with Netflix, but it's never in place of his agenda.

01:22:20.000 No, it's all about the art.

01:22:21.000 It's all about comedy.

01:22:22.000 This wins.

01:22:24.000 This is the priority.

01:22:25.000 That's why he left his show, because they were twisting it, distorting it.

01:22:29.000 I know why he left his show, because I've been in that position where you go, this is turning into some corporate version of what you like.

01:22:36.000 You love what I do.

01:22:37.000 Now you can't wait to put your fingerprint on it.

01:22:40.000 Exactly.

01:22:41.000 That's it.

01:22:41.000 That's exactly what it was.

01:22:42.000 So you can take, so you can go, you know, that was me.

01:22:45.000 And he gave up 50 million when no one was giving up 50 million. 0.99

01:22:49.000 Nobody would fucking do that, man. 0.98

01:22:50.000 And then he quit doing comedy for 10 years. 0.99

01:22:51.000 And you know what he would do? 1.00

01:22:52.000 He would occasionally show up in a park with like a fucking speaker. 1.00

01:22:56.000 Right. 1.00

01:22:56.000 And just show up and do stand-up. 1.00

01:22:58.000 No way.

01:22:58.000 Yes, he did.

01:22:58.000 He did in Seattle.

01:23:00.000 I know he did in Seattle because a friend of mine was at the show.

01:23:02.000 Wow.

01:23:02.000 He shows up.

01:23:03.000 He goes, Dave Chappelle just shows up in this fucking park and he gets a speaker with a microphone and he just starts talking and people just gather around. 0.99

01:23:12.000 Respect. 0.99

01:23:13.000 He was just doing these, like, shows.

01:23:15.000 These impromptu shows.

01:23:16.000 He would show up in a bar.

01:23:17.000 Can I go on stage?

01:23:19.000 And they would go, uh, okay.

01:23:21.000 And he would just start talking.

01:23:21.000 Knowing in his mind that he would eventually come back?

01:23:24.000 No.

01:23:24.000 That was just the present moment.

01:23:26.000 I think he's just being an artist.

01:23:27.000 Just being an artist for the pure sake of being an artist.

01:23:30.000 So he had the money that he did make off Chappelle's show.

01:23:33.000 And he decided to, like, live frugally and take that money.

01:23:36.000 And he didn't do anything for money. 0.99

01:23:38.000 For, like, ten fucking years. 0.99

01:23:39.000 He just raised his kids. 1.00

01:23:40.000 And then he started coming back.

01:23:42.000 And then when he started coming back, I remember him coming around the comedy store again, and we had some conversations about it.

01:23:46.000 And he just, you know, he just decided to start doing comedy again.

01:23:50.000 You see people getting canceled now, and it's devastating to them, and yet that's what that was.

01:23:56.000 He just did it himself.

01:23:57.000 Right.

01:23:58.000 He canceled himself.

01:23:59.000 He canceled himself.

01:23:59.000 Yeah.

01:24:00.000 He canceled the greatest sketch show of all time.

01:24:02.000 Of all time.

01:24:03.000 Yeah.

01:24:04.000 And it only did two seasons.

01:24:05.000 It's still the greatest. 0.98

01:24:06.000 But that's not something that you see very often of somebody who just fucking can't help but beat to their own drum. 0.98

01:24:12.000 Right. 0.97

01:24:12.000 But the art wins in the end. 0.97

01:24:14.000 The art wins.

01:24:15.000 Do you know what I mean?

01:24:16.000 Well, it's obviously when you see him.

01:24:17.000 He's so good.

01:24:18.000 He's not malicious.

01:24:19.000 No.

01:24:20.000 There are moments where you think he's malicious.

01:24:23.000 And again, he brings it around.

01:24:25.000 Well, the maliciousness is just to heighten the humor.

01:24:27.000 It all just like brings it in.

01:24:28.000 It also accentuates like some thoughts that you might have about whatever he's talking about.

01:24:32.000 But it's what everybody's thinking.

01:24:34.000 Yep, exactly. 0.95

01:24:34.000 And so fucking terrified to say. 0.95

01:24:36.000 Everybody's thinking. 0.97

01:24:37.000 Even me.

01:24:38.000 Yeah.

01:24:38.000 I'm watching it and I'm the inappropriate guy.

01:24:41.000 And my dad goes, how the fuck do you say what you say? 0.99

01:24:44.000 And I don't understand. 0.99

01:24:45.000 I go, you know, I said, honestly, do you want to know?

01:24:47.000 Because I'm not ultimately mean.

01:24:50.000 I don't want... 0.91

01:24:51.000 I don't want to fucking hurt... 0.97

01:24:52.000 I don't want people to feel less than I do. 0.97

01:24:55.000 Right.

01:24:55.000 But I watch Chappelle, and even me, I'm like...

01:25:01.000 Wow!

01:25:02.000 Yeah, he watched that line.

01:25:03.000 He gets out there and walks that line, but he dances around it and he makes it beautiful comedy. 1.00

01:25:07.000 I appreciate it so much, because without him, we're all fucked. 1.00

01:25:11.000 And he's the way to find out if a comedian's a cunt. 1.00

01:25:13.000 Like, if a comedian doesn't like Chappelle, they start shitting on Chappelle, like, oh, okay. 1.00

01:25:17.000 Then you know he's a cunt. 1.00

01:25:18.000 You're a piece of shit. 1.00

01:25:20.000 You're just a garbage human. 1.00

01:25:21.000 Have you ever met anybody like that? 1.00

01:25:23.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:25:24.000 A lot of these...

01:25:24.000 He's not a real comedian.

01:25:26.000 There's a lot of... 1.00

01:25:26.000 He's an asshole. 1.00

01:25:27.000 Yeah, there's a lot of, like, activist comedians. 1.00

01:25:31.000 And what they are is really not talented.

01:25:33.000 So they've glommed on to this idea of, like, being, like, socially conscious.

01:25:37.000 And that's more important than the humor itself.

01:25:39.000 But nobody wants to hear you preach.

01:25:41.000 Nobody thinks that your opinion is better than theirs.

01:25:44.000 This is what I always say.

01:25:45.000 Like, if you go on stage, you have an opinion.

01:25:47.000 Like...

01:25:48.000 Other people have an opinion, too.

01:25:49.000 Like, if you go on stage and say, you know, I think Kamala Harris would be the greatest president of all time, a lot of people are like, well, I don't agree.

01:25:54.000 But you have to have a way to make it funny so that they laugh.

01:25:58.000 The people that disagree with you laugh.

01:26:00.000 Like, I don't even think this guy's correct. 0.98

01:26:02.000 Well, goddamn, that's funny. 0.93

01:26:03.000 And that's a way you can introduce an idea into someone's head that maybe would never accept that Idea, it was just opinions. 0.98

01:26:10.000 So if someone's on stage and they're just saying opinions, like you could you could disagree with that opinion, it'll frustrate you and you can't talk, you don't have your...

01:26:17.000 But if that guy can take that opinion and that perspective and make it funny, then you're forced to acknowledge that he has a point.

01:26:25.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:26:26.000 Like there's something in there like, I don't even agree with that, but fucker, goddamn, that was good! 1.00

01:26:30.000 Goddamn, that was good! 1.00

01:26:33.000 It liberates, man. 0.98

01:26:34.000 That's the real Chappelle art.

01:26:36.000 I mean, not that we'll stay on this forever, but remember Eddie Murphy when he did, not the first, not Raw, but...

01:26:42.000 Delirious.

01:26:43.000 Yeah.

01:26:44.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

01:26:44.000 Well, he was a fucking powerhouse, man. 1.00

01:26:46.000 Powerhouse. 0.99

01:26:46.000 To this day, that is the guy that I just wish I was friends with. 0.99

01:26:50.000 I was friends with his brother, Charlie.

01:26:53.000 Yeah.

01:26:54.000 But I wish that guy, I wish he would come back.

01:26:58.000 You know, I know he got, like, some weird stuff where he got arrested with transsexuals in his car. 1.00

01:27:03.000 Whatever.

01:27:05.000 So did other people.

01:27:06.000 Whatever.

01:27:07.000 They came back.

01:27:08.000 He's just too good.

01:27:08.000 He's too good.

01:27:09.000 He's too good.

01:27:10.000 Do you ever see when he gave a speech?

01:27:12.000 He got, like, I think it was, like, one of those Mark Twain awards or something like that.

01:27:16.000 And he did stand-up.

01:27:17.000 Like, where he hasn't done stand-up in forever, but he was talking about Bill Cosby having to give his awards back.

01:27:22.000 No.

01:27:24.000 Because, you know, he does an amazing Bill Cosby impression.

01:27:26.000 Yeah, no, I remember.

01:27:27.000 And so he did stand-up, and it was as sharp as ever. 0.98

01:27:31.000 And, like, goddamn, if this guy came back... 0.98

01:27:33.000 And it was just off the cuff? 0.99

01:27:34.000 Oh, I'm sure he prepared.

01:27:35.000 No, I'm sure he prepared, but nobody really knew he was going to do it, right?

01:27:38.000 Well, they knew he was going to give a speech, and his speech was essentially stand-up.

01:27:42.000 You know, his acceptance speech was...

01:27:43.000 Like 20 minutes or 15 minutes of stand-up. 0.98

01:27:45.000 Yeah, and it was fucking great. 0.93

01:27:46.000 And there was all these rumors that he was going to start doing it again. 0.95

01:27:49.000 I remember Charlie told me that Dave was thinking about doing it again.

01:27:52.000 Or that Eddie was thinking about doing again, but he never did it.

01:27:55.000 He never did it.

01:27:56.000 I think it's just too heavy.

01:27:58.000 We need comedians.

01:27:59.000 I mean, that's like the theme of this whole thing.

01:28:01.000 Whether you're talking about Hunter, whether you're talking about this, it's just too bad that they self-destruct, whether it be from drugs or fame or whatever.

01:28:09.000 And you know what I mean?

01:28:10.000 It's hard, man.

01:28:11.000 It's hard to maintain.

01:28:13.000 And then once you make it, there's these weird pressures.

01:28:16.000 But it breaks up the status quo of this contraction, especially that we're feeling.

01:28:21.000 I know that's why people move to Austin. 0.88

01:28:23.000 It's just like, I'm fucking sick of being told to think a certain way.

01:28:29.000 Well, that's why comedy in Austin works so well. 0.84

01:28:31.000 Because we all moved here at the same time.

01:28:33.000 We all moved here in 2020. I was here because...

01:28:36.000 Well, Ron White moved here first.

01:28:39.000 And Ron White is a dear friend of mine.

01:28:41.000 And he moved here before the pandemic.

01:28:43.000 And Ron was like, I don't want to live in LA anymore. 0.89

01:28:46.000 I fucking love it here. 0.95

01:28:47.000 There's no traffic. 0.99

01:28:48.000 Fucking food's great. 1.00

01:28:49.000 Fucking people are nice. 1.00

01:28:50.000 I can travel. 0.99

01:28:51.000 I fly.

01:28:52.000 I'm in the center of the country.

01:28:53.000 I can fly anywhere real quick.

01:28:54.000 Right. 0.99

01:28:55.000 And I was like, damn, could I live in Texas? 0.98

01:28:57.000 I'm like, I don't know about that. 0.96

01:28:58.000 And then COVID came, and my wife was kind of interested a little bit, but then when the riots started happening in LA, then she got really scared.

01:29:09.000 There was a lot of home invasions. 0.99

01:29:11.000 There was a lot of crazy shit that was happening. 0.98

01:29:13.000 Where is she from originally? 0.99

01:29:14.000 She was from Colorado.

01:29:16.000 Okay, so not an L.A. born.

01:29:18.000 No, no, no.

01:29:19.000 And so she lived in L.A. with me for a while, and we were happy.

01:29:23.000 You know, we lived in Bell Canyon, which was like outside of L.A. It's nice, peaceful, had a little land, coyotes and hawks and shit. 0.97

01:29:31.000 Yeah, well, for me it was okay, because I had quiet where I lived, and then I could drive into the comedy store. 0.92

01:29:37.000 And I loved it.

01:29:38.000 But then when they shut the comedy store down, they shut everything down, and I was like, baby, they're not gonna let us go back. 1.00

01:29:43.000 This is like, these fucking cocksuckers have control now, and that's what they like. 1.00

01:29:47.000 That's why they became politicians in the first place. 1.00

01:29:49.000 They like telling people they can't work. 0.99

01:29:51.000 They have a grip on society, and they're gonna fucking keep this grip. 0.99

01:29:55.000 We gotta get the fuck out of here. 0.99

01:29:56.000 So did you move sight unseen? 0.99

01:29:58.000 Did you move just...

01:30:00.000 Did you just come?

01:30:01.000 Did you find a place?

01:30:03.000 You came and you hung out for a while?

01:30:17.000 One of the things that helped, my daughters were 10 and 12 at the time.

01:30:20.000 They were really young, and they were real confused about what was going on in LA. It was spooky.

01:30:24.000 You know, you had to wear a mask everywhere, and that freaks kids out.

01:30:26.000 It was just freaky.

01:30:28.000 We came to Texas, no masks.

01:30:30.000 You go to restaurants, and we had this great real estate lady. 1.00

01:30:34.000 She's a good friend now.

01:30:37.000 We wanted to see this house, and she took us on a ride on a boat.

01:30:40.000 She had a friend to take us on the lake.

01:30:42.000 We go on the lake, people are playing Leonard Skinner, they're jumping in the water, they're laughing and singing.

01:30:47.000 And in LA, everybody's thinking the world's going to end.

01:30:50.000 There's demons in the air.

01:30:51.000 No, man.

01:30:51.000 I was in New Mexico and I was out on a 100,000 acre ranch.

01:30:56.000 Whoa.

01:30:57.000 Right?

01:30:58.000 And we were doing Outer Range.

01:31:00.000 We were doing the first season of our show and we were tested every morning.

01:31:04.000 And when I was out in the middle of nowhere, I mean with good 15 mile an hour winds, you'd have somebody come up.

01:31:12.000 If I put my mask down to talk, you'd have somebody go...

01:31:17.000 Yeah.

01:31:19.000 Yeah.

01:31:19.000 And I'd be like, we're in the middle of nowhere.

01:31:22.000 Also, it doesn't even work.

01:31:23.000 It doesn't work. 1.00

01:31:24.000 It's stupid. 1.00

01:31:26.000 I'm not even saying that I have a certain belief system or anything, but in that moment. 1.00

01:31:31.000 Provable.

01:31:31.000 Yeah.

01:31:31.000 Provable that they don't work.

01:31:32.000 Provable.

01:31:33.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:31:34.000 And people lost their fucking minds. 1.00

01:31:36.000 And it was a stress test. 1.00

01:31:37.000 And so we came out here.

01:31:39.000 I bought a house, like, quick.

01:31:41.000 And I was here.

01:31:42.000 Is it still the same house you have now?

01:31:43.000 Yep.

01:31:43.000 Really?

01:31:44.000 Yeah.

01:31:45.000 We looked at the house in May.

01:31:47.000 I was living in it in August.

01:31:49.000 And we were here.

01:31:50.000 And then my kids started going to school out here.

01:31:52.000 They loved it.

01:31:53.000 I loved it right away.

01:31:54.000 We were performing.

01:31:55.000 And then we were doing shows inside where everybody's like, this is crazy.

01:31:59.000 You guys are doing shows indoors? 0.99

01:32:02.000 Because Texas didn't give a fuck. 0.99

01:32:03.000 They're like, do shows. 0.99

01:32:04.000 Like a couple months after COVID, they're like, eh, open it up.

01:32:08.000 So what are the numbers of people who got COVID? You know, I've never had COVID. You never got it at all?

01:32:13.000 No.

01:32:13.000 That's crazy.

01:32:14.000 I never got it.

01:32:15.000 I don't know if that's a blood type.

01:32:16.000 I don't know.

01:32:17.000 What is that?

01:32:17.000 Maybe you're healthy.

01:32:18.000 Maybe I have it right now.

01:32:19.000 I have a bit of a cold right now.

01:32:21.000 Maybe you have it.

01:32:21.000 Sorry, dude.

01:32:21.000 The new COVID is a joke.

01:32:24.000 We used to test every day.

01:32:27.000 Because I wanted to be compliant.

01:32:28.000 I wanted people to feel safe.

01:32:30.000 People were flying out here to do podcasts. 0.94

01:32:32.000 I wanted to make sure they're not a dick.

01:32:33.000 And so we tested everybody before every show. 0.99

01:32:35.000 And one time I came in and I had the sniffles.

01:32:38.000 And I was like, maybe it's COVID. Maybe it's COVID. And the nurse was like, actually, you have COVID. I was like, no way.

01:32:44.000 I'm like, this is the new COVID? But I had it once and famously got in trouble for saying that I didn't get vaccinated, but I got healthy.

01:32:50.000 And it was the CNN attacks and all that shit. 0.97

01:32:53.000 And then the second time I got COVID, it was literally sniffles. 0.99

01:32:56.000 And it was gone in like a day or two.

01:32:58.000 So were the numbers different in Texas than anywhere else?

01:33:01.000 I don't know.

01:33:02.000 I'm curious.

01:33:03.000 The numbers are all like the real people that got sick are the people with comorbidities.

01:33:07.000 That was the real issue.

01:33:08.000 What it exposed is metabolic health.

01:33:10.000 And it's not that it didn't exist.

01:33:10.000 It did because I have a brother-in-law who was in New Orleans in the epicenter of it and it was the beginning of his residency and all that and he was like, oh bro.

01:33:17.000 Oh, it fucking existed. 0.98

01:33:19.000 I mean, it was fucking gnarly. 1.00

01:33:20.000 Yeah, if you're really unhealthy, COVID fucked you up. 1.00

01:33:23.000 Fucked you up. 1.00

01:33:23.000 If you're really fat in particular. 1.00

01:33:25.000 There was something about the way it reacted to fat people. 0.93

01:33:28.000 African Americans too, he said.

01:33:29.000 That's a vitamin D thing.

01:33:30.000 That's a vitamin D thing.

01:33:31.000 Yeah, well, you know, African Americans, the reason why they're so dark, the melanin is to protect them from the sun. 1.00

01:33:37.000 And melanin in white people, the reason why they're so pale is because it acts as like a fucking solar panel for vitamin D. It's a sponge. 0.96

01:33:45.000 The melanin actually protects them from the sun's damage, but it also makes it more difficult for them to get vitamin D. So my friend did his residency in New York and he said during the winter time we would do blood panels on people and they would have undetectable levels of vitamin D. And this is the reason why people get sick in the winter. 0.95

01:34:04.000 You're covering up.

01:34:05.000 You're indoors most of the time.

01:34:06.000 You're not getting any vitamin D. You're not getting any sun.

01:34:08.000 If you're not supplementing, and not just with vitamin D, by the way, you have to mix vitamin D with K2 and magnesium.

01:34:13.000 That's the most effective way for your body to process it. 0.99

01:34:16.000 If you're not doing that, your immune system is shit. 0.96

01:34:18.000 It's not that you're giving, you're not a living petri dish and you're giving each other the thing because you would do that in the summer too, but the minute you go outside and you get that vitamin D and you get that sun, it's burning it away. 0.98

01:34:29.000 Yeah, well you're out in the sun, you're healthier.

01:34:31.000 You're supposed to be outside. 0.99

01:34:34.000 We're not designed to be locked up in fucking cubicles and fluorescent lights all day. 1.00

01:34:39.000 It's not normal. 0.99

01:34:40.000 So it's not healthy.

01:34:42.000 And if you don't do something to mitigate that, to counteract that, your metabolic health is going to suffer.

01:34:47.000 If you're not fit, if you're not healthy, if you're overweight, if you're not eating well, if you're not taking vitamins, all those things are a huge factor that was completely ignored.

01:34:56.000 And the narrative was like, no, you need this novel injection that we haven't tested on anybody. 0.98

01:35:02.000 We're gonna fucking shoot it in every baby, every kid, every pregnant woman. 1.00

01:35:06.000 Did you ever take one? 1.00

01:35:07.000 No!

01:35:08.000 I almost did.

01:35:09.000 I didn't think it was a bad thing.

01:35:10.000 This whole pandemic is...

01:35:13.000 Through education and talking to doctors and also through my experiences, it completely changed my concept and my thought about the medical system.

01:35:20.000 When the vaccine was first available, I was more than willing to get it.

01:35:25.000 In fact, the UFC allocated like 150 vaccines for other employees, and we were doing these COVID shows where there was no audience.

01:35:33.000 So we would do it at the Apex in Vegas, where the UFC has their own small arena, and we'd have the fights there, and you'd go and get tested.

01:35:40.000 I'd get tested in Austin, I'd fly to Vegas, and then they'd test me again, and you weren't supposed to go anywhere, you just stayed in your hotel, and then you showed up and did the fights.

01:35:50.000 And then they got the allocations for the vaccine.

01:35:52.000 And I called up the doctor and I said, hey, I'm here for the fights.

01:35:57.000 Can I get vaccinated?

01:35:58.000 They said, sure, come on in.

01:35:59.000 And then when I got there, I called the doctor and said, actually, you have to go to the clinic.

01:36:03.000 We have to do it at the clinic.

01:36:04.000 Can you go on Monday?

01:36:06.000 And I said, I can't.

01:36:07.000 I have to go back to Austin, but I'll be back in two weeks for the next fights and we'll do it then.

01:36:12.000 He said, great.

01:36:13.000 In that two weeks, they pulled the vaccine because people were getting blood clots.

01:36:17.000 And then also during that two weeks, two people that I knew had strokes.

01:36:21.000 Like one guy was in his 50s and one guy was in his 40s.

01:36:24.000 Immediately following the vaccination?

01:36:26.000 Within days of the vaccine.

01:36:27.000 Within days.

01:36:27.000 Gut strokes.

01:36:28.000 And I had a bunch of friends that had complications.

01:36:31.000 One friend who has a pacemaker.

01:36:33.000 I have a second friend now that has a pacemaker.

01:36:36.000 And there was all these things that just kept happening.

01:36:38.000 A pacemaker that they'll have for the rest of their lives?

01:36:40.000 I don't know.

01:36:41.000 It depends on whether or not your heart heals, like how bad the damage is.

01:36:45.000 But his heart would stop beating for like nine seconds at a time.

01:36:49.000 Wow, man.

01:36:49.000 And he would just faint.

01:36:50.000 And he was falling down.

01:36:52.000 Right.

01:36:52.000 And, you know, Dr. Drew's talked about this, about he believes that's what happened to a lot of people that got boosted.

01:37:00.000 A lot of people like after the booster, like there's something that would happen where your heart would just stop beating for a while and you'd black out and it would start up again.

01:37:09.000 Because it wasn't proven.

01:37:10.000 It wasn't a proven thing.

01:37:11.000 But then again, how many of them are proven?

01:37:14.000 Because you said, what, 72, 73 shots?

01:37:18.000 Well, that's a different kind of vaccine.

01:37:20.000 No, but I understand that.

01:37:21.000 But there's still vaccines.

01:37:22.000 And you go, why so much more now?

01:37:25.000 Is there that much more disease?

01:37:26.000 It's money.

01:37:26.000 It's all based on money.

01:37:28.000 I mean, I'm not an anti-vaccine person, but I subscribe to Robert F. Kennedy's perspective.

01:37:33.000 They should all be tested.

01:37:34.000 They should be safety tested, and they're not.

01:37:36.000 But it comes down to this thing, like we were talking about working out.

01:37:39.000 It comes down to this thing where you go, listen, the medical community I can use for certain things.

01:37:45.000 The holistic community I can use for certain things.

01:37:47.000 Why do I have to deny one just to be full in on the other?

01:37:51.000 Right.

01:37:52.000 Exactly. 0.99

01:37:52.000 Well, it's just a narrative that they put out there that medicine and pharmaceutical drugs are the most important thing and everything else is bullshit. 0.99

01:38:00.000 Everybody should take Oxycontin. 0.96

01:38:02.000 Everybody should be on at least 10 Oxycontin a day.

01:38:06.000 Yeah, help you feel better.

01:38:07.000 You'll feel better.

01:38:08.000 You're just like, oh, I feel better.

01:38:09.000 Yeah, you don't have to do anything.

01:38:11.000 You don't have to feel bad about it.

01:38:12.000 So when we came here, that was the thing. 0.99

01:38:16.000 Everybody who came here was kind of like, fuck this. 0.99

01:38:19.000 And then there were so many of us that Ron talked me into opening up a comedy club. 0.99

01:38:24.000 You opened your own.

01:38:26.000 Yeah.

01:38:26.000 Ron went on stage for the first time in months.

01:38:29.000 I think it was eight months.

01:38:31.000 And he grabbed me by the shoulders right after he got... 0.99

01:38:35.000 I mean, he fucking crushed. 0.98

01:38:36.000 He goes on stage with this giant standing ovation. 0.99

01:38:39.000 He crushes, and he comes off stage.

01:38:41.000 He grabs me by my shoulder. 0.99

01:38:42.000 He goes, whatever the fuck we have to do, we're gonna keep doing this. 0.99

01:38:45.000 He goes, you gotta open up a club. 0.99

01:38:47.000 I go, okay, I'm gonna open up a club.

01:38:50.000 Yes, sir.

01:38:50.000 And then I just started looking at club spots.

01:38:53.000 How often do you do it?

01:38:55.000 Almost, I mean, every week.

01:38:57.000 Every week you're up there.

01:38:58.000 I went on last night three times.

01:38:59.000 I did three sets last night.

01:39:00.000 Wow.

01:39:01.000 Yeah.

01:39:02.000 Constantly working.

01:39:03.000 Do you know Robert Rodriguez?

01:39:05.000 The director?

01:39:06.000 Yeah.

01:39:06.000 No, I don't know him personally.

01:39:08.000 That surprises me.

01:39:09.000 That's who I'm doing.

01:39:10.000 I'm at the Paramount Theater tonight.

01:39:12.000 I love that guy.

01:39:13.000 Yeah, I love him.

01:39:14.000 I've known him for 30 years.

01:39:16.000 Oh, I'd love to meet him.

01:39:18.000 Yeah.

01:39:18.000 But no, I love his work, though.

01:39:20.000 Yeah, super good guy.

01:39:21.000 Yeah.

01:39:21.000 And he plays at Antoine's a lot.

01:39:24.000 Oh, yeah, Antoine's.

01:39:25.000 Antoine's.

01:39:26.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:39:27.000 Which is still there, right?

01:39:28.000 That's Gary Clark Jr.'s place.

01:39:28.000 Is it?

01:39:29.000 Yeah, it's my friend Gary.

01:39:30.000 I didn't know it.

01:39:31.000 So my wife knows Gary's wife really well.

01:39:34.000 Oh, my wife knows Gary's wife really well. 1.00

01:39:36.000 Oh, shit, dude. 0.99

01:39:36.000 I met somebody on the plane who sat next to me, so I flew from New York. 0.99

01:39:41.000 They sent a picture to my wife.

01:39:43.000 No!

01:39:44.000 Yes!

01:39:45.000 Today!

01:39:45.000 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

01:39:47.000 Bentley?

01:39:49.000 I don't know the guy's name.

01:39:50.000 I don't know the guy.

01:39:51.000 No, no, no, no.

01:39:51.000 The guy that I met on the plane today, he said, what are you here doing?

01:39:55.000 I said, oh, I'm going to see Brogan this afternoon.

01:39:58.000 I'm doing Paramount Theater tonight.

01:39:59.000 And he said, oh, that's so funny.

01:40:00.000 And he didn't talk to me the whole flight.

01:40:01.000 And he said, my son Bentley went out with Rosie.

01:40:05.000 Yes.

01:40:06.000 For a year.

01:40:07.000 Yes.

01:40:07.000 That's what it is.

01:40:08.000 So he sent a photograph to my wife.

01:40:10.000 Because I took a photograph of him.

01:40:12.000 So I saw it today, right when I was leaving.

01:40:14.000 My wife shows me the photograph. 0.97

01:40:15.000 That's fucking funny. 0.99

01:40:16.000 It's crazy. 1.00

01:40:17.000 Small world.

01:40:18.000 Really small world.

01:40:19.000 Super, super small world.

01:40:22.000 Gary's wife and my wife are good friends.

01:40:24.000 I've never met Gary, but man, I love him.

01:40:27.000 He's the best.

01:40:29.000 That's another real artist.

01:40:31.000 That's an artist.

01:40:32.000 I mean, he's an artist.

01:40:33.000 Another true artist.

01:40:33.000 I was just with him.

01:40:34.000 I did his video.

01:40:35.000 I was asked to do a lot of videos and I've never done a video because I've never wanted to do a video.

01:40:40.000 The idea of doing video seems weird to me.

01:40:42.000 You're like, you know, singing somebody else's song or something like that.

01:40:45.000 But Chris Stapleton, who's been a friend for a long time.

01:40:49.000 Oh, I love that guy.

01:40:49.000 So we were in Marfa together.

01:40:50.000 Has he?

01:40:51.000 Yeah.

01:40:52.000 I love that guy. 0.99

01:40:52.000 One of the greatest fucking guys. 0.99

01:40:54.000 He and Morgan. 0.99

01:40:55.000 One of the greatest people.

01:40:56.000 So yeah, we were together over the weekend in Marfa, Texas. 0.96

01:40:59.000 Oh, that's fucking cool. 0.92

01:41:00.000 Yeah, it was awesome. 0.96

01:41:01.000 And Gary's another guy that I knew back in L.A. I met Gary at the Comedy Store.

01:41:06.000 Doesn't he still live in L.A.? No, he lives here.

01:41:09.000 Oh, he does full-time?

01:41:10.000 Yep, and that's the same thing.

01:41:11.000 When I talk to Gary about it, I go, why'd you move to Texas?

01:41:14.000 And this was back when I was still living in L.A. He goes, man, fuck that. 1.00

01:41:18.000 Fuck that place. 1.00

01:41:19.000 Fuck everything about that place. 1.00

01:41:20.000 I don't like it. 1.00

01:41:21.000 I told you, we haven't moved to Austin.

01:41:24.000 I've spent a lot of time here.

01:41:25.000 I love it here.

01:41:26.000 My mom's from Corpus Christi.

01:41:28.000 I've spent a lot of time in Texas.

01:41:30.000 I'm going to eat Whataburger while I'm here.

01:41:33.000 But, you know, we moved to Santa Barbara recently, and it's one of those things.

01:41:37.000 It's just like, the thing about L.A. when you don't need, because you can do so many things remotely, and you go, why am I here?

01:41:45.000 Right.

01:41:46.000 Right.

01:41:46.000 Why am I here?

01:41:47.000 Like, I embraced this staunch thing of, I'm a Californian, and I loved going to New York and seeing how proud people were in New York.

01:41:54.000 And I'd go back to California, and I'd say...

01:41:56.000 I want to be the one proud person that's in California.

01:41:59.000 There was proud people in LA for a while.

01:42:01.000 There were, for a while.

01:42:01.000 We were all proud that we were LA comics.

01:42:03.000 Yeah.

01:42:04.000 LA comics were like a different thing than New York comics.

01:42:07.000 Right.

01:42:07.000 Because New York comics were all like for themselves.

01:42:10.000 They were all kind of shitty and backstabby. 0.99

01:42:13.000 And at the Comedy Store we had a real community. 0.99

01:42:16.000 And that's the best thing.

01:42:17.000 And what you've done is recreate it.

01:42:19.000 Even when I talk about a Chopper community, that's what it is. 0.97

01:42:22.000 It's a community that you can rely on, regardless of belief system or anything like that.

01:42:27.000 You go, but that guy has my back.

01:42:29.000 That guy will walk through fire for me.

01:42:31.000 That guy wants me to do well.

01:42:33.000 That's your people.

01:42:34.000 That's my people.

01:42:35.000 Yeah.

01:42:36.000 And that's the same thing with that.

01:42:37.000 All my people moved out here.

01:42:38.000 They moved out here with me.

01:42:40.000 So we had like 16 top shelf comedians move out here in the first two years.

01:42:45.000 Wow.

01:42:45.000 That many?

01:42:46.000 There's so many clubs out here.

01:42:48.000 There's five clubs on the street where my clubs are.

01:42:50.000 That's crazy.

01:42:50.000 I bought the old Ritz Theater.

01:42:52.000 Yeah.

01:42:52.000 So that's the comedy mothership now.

01:42:54.000 And down the street there's a Sunset Club that my friend Brian owns.

01:42:57.000 And that's a club that's like five doors down from me.

01:43:00.000 So all these are new clubs that's happened in the last four years.

01:43:02.000 The Vulcan was already there.

01:43:04.000 That was the club that we started working at when we came here.

01:43:06.000 That's down the street from me.

01:43:08.000 That's only like a block away.

01:43:09.000 And then there's the Creek in the Cave, another comedy club that's only like two blocks away.

01:43:13.000 There's a bunch of them just on this one street.

01:43:16.000 What if I move here and open a club and just do monologues?

01:43:19.000 Do you think people will come?

01:43:20.000 Sure.

01:43:21.000 If it's good.

01:43:22.000 Ladies and gentlemen, this one's from Sicario.

01:43:25.000 If it's good, people would go.

01:43:26.000 They might.

01:43:28.000 Look, man.

01:43:29.000 You really have a passion or something.

01:43:31.000 This is the weird artsy city, which I love.

01:43:33.000 It's a great artsy city.

01:43:34.000 It is.

01:43:34.000 There's a lot of fake artists.

01:43:36.000 I know, but there is everywhere.

01:43:37.000 Yeah, there's a lot of posers. 0.89

01:43:39.000 But that's all people that just like the idea of them being the one who decides what's real and what's not real. 0.99

01:43:46.000 Just goofs. 0.87

01:43:47.000 You're always going to have that. 0.87

01:43:48.000 There's a lot of that.

01:43:49.000 They hated us when we came here. 0.99

01:43:50.000 But really what they didn't like is that you couldn't just fuck around anymore. 1.00

01:43:55.000 The real killers were here now. 1.00

01:43:56.000 The real...

01:43:57.000 Top shelf national headliners, guys like Tom Segura and Tim Dillon and these animals moved into town.

01:44:05.000 So this is like a new hub?

01:44:06.000 Oh, it's the hub of the world for comedy.

01:44:08.000 The Comedy Mothership is the hub of comedy in the world.

01:44:11.000 That's wild.

01:44:12.000 I didn't know that.

01:44:13.000 It just opened two years ago.

01:44:14.000 That's cool.

01:44:15.000 It's packed every night.

01:44:16.000 It's awesome.

01:44:17.000 Dave came down opening week.

01:44:19.000 It was incredible and no one knew he was there. 0.99

01:44:21.000 So I did a set, and then after I did a set, I introduced him, and everybody just went fucking apeshit. 0.94

01:44:28.000 And we were like, it's up. 0.97

01:44:31.000 Like, the club's rolling now.

01:44:33.000 Now it's really happening.

01:44:34.000 And then all these people were coming in from all over the country.

01:44:37.000 A bunch of people moved here and there's people moving here constantly.

01:44:40.000 Shane Gillis moved here and all these guys moved here.

01:44:43.000 So it's still happening.

01:44:44.000 Oh yeah, it's still growing.

01:44:46.000 We're talking about opening up another club because we're so packed every night and we have so many comics.

01:44:52.000 We almost have too many comics and not enough room.

01:44:55.000 Has the place grown a lot in the last four years?

01:44:57.000 A city?

01:44:58.000 Yeah, but do you see a gentrification of it or just like things that you got?

01:45:02.000 No.

01:45:02.000 You see a lot of tech bros have moved here because, you know, Google moved here and Facebook and Tesla.

01:45:07.000 I remember when Jesse James moved here, which was a while ago.

01:45:10.000 He moved here a long time ago, right?

01:45:11.000 A long time ago.

01:45:11.000 Yeah.

01:45:12.000 I remember when he moved from Long Beach.

01:45:13.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:45:14.000 And he called me and he was like, it's fucking great. 0.99

01:45:15.000 It's fucking great. 0.98

01:45:17.000 It's better. 0.97

01:45:18.000 I just never will live in a place that has traffic ever again.

01:45:22.000 I'll never live in a big city.

01:45:23.000 Austin's like a million people.

01:45:25.000 There's a million on the outside and a million in the city.

01:45:28.000 It's nothing.

01:45:28.000 It's easy.

01:45:29.000 It's easy to get around.

01:45:31.000 People are friendly.

01:45:32.000 They're just like real people.

01:45:34.000 There's no one here that's like connected to that machine that forced compliance.

01:45:41.000 Why do you think that feeds into your art?

01:45:43.000 To me, being in LA, when everybody's talking about what's your status right now?

01:45:51.000 The thing about here is, all people care about is, are you killing? 1.00

01:45:55.000 Are you going on stage and fucking killing? 0.99

01:45:58.000 Are you doing your best work? 1.00

01:46:00.000 Are you doing it?

01:46:00.000 Period.

01:46:01.000 Are you doing your best work?

01:46:02.000 Do you care? 1.00

01:46:03.000 Do you give a shit? 1.00

01:46:04.000 Yes, do you really care? 1.00

01:46:05.000 Are you really working on it?

01:46:06.000 Are you just another affectation?

01:46:08.000 And if you're at that club, you have to be working on it because there's too many people that are working on it.

01:46:12.000 You can't just be lazy.

01:46:14.000 You won't survive.

01:46:16.000 There's too many killers. 0.84

01:46:17.000 I want to go to this club.

01:46:18.000 Anytime.

01:46:19.000 Go tonight.

01:46:20.000 Cool.

01:46:20.000 If you want to come tonight.

01:46:21.000 Well, I got this thing to do tonight.

01:46:22.000 When's your thing?

01:46:22.000 What time is it?

01:46:23.000 I don't know.

01:46:23.000 8?

01:46:24.000 7?

01:46:25.000 We have a 7 o'clock show and a 10 o'clock show.

01:46:27.000 Really?

01:46:27.000 Maybe I'll come afterwards.

01:46:28.000 Come after.

01:46:29.000 Come hang out.

01:46:29.000 Jelly Roll was there last night.

01:46:30.000 Really?

01:46:31.000 Was he really?

01:46:31.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:46:32.000 That's cool.

01:46:33.000 Jelly Roll's the man.

01:46:33.000 He's here all the time.

01:46:35.000 He's always hanging out here.

01:46:36.000 Do you have my book?

01:46:36.000 I do not.

01:46:38.000 You don't?

01:46:38.000 No, I do not.

01:46:39.000 No one sent it to me.

01:46:40.000 If they did, they probably went to a publicist or someone.

01:46:42.000 I was going to bring a book for you.

01:46:44.000 I'll buy it.

01:46:46.000 Josh Bowen.

01:46:47.000 From under the truck.

01:46:49.000 Why from under the truck?

01:46:51.000 What do you think?

01:46:52.000 Because that's where you were drunk, passed out?

01:46:54.000 That's where my mom's boyfriend was drunk and passed out.

01:46:56.000 But it has this, to me, I chose it because it has a double entendre that when you're under a truck, you're either fixing it or getting run over by it.

01:47:04.000 Hence my life.

01:47:06.000 I'm either getting run over by it or fixing it.

01:47:09.000 How did you sort it out?

01:47:11.000 Because you're so together now.

01:47:13.000 Am I? Yeah, I think you are.

01:47:15.000 Thank you.

01:47:16.000 You're fun.

01:47:17.000 Thanks, man.

01:47:17.000 Fun people are together.

01:47:18.000 If you can be fun, you're together.

01:47:20.000 I think I'm at that place.

01:47:21.000 I found a place that you have always been at that I didn't have.

01:47:26.000 I had the opposite.

01:47:27.000 Where you go, no, I didn't do cocaine because...

01:47:29.000 And forget the drugs.

01:47:30.000 It's the mentality.

01:47:31.000 I didn't do cocaine because it would kill me. 0.89

01:47:33.000 And I would go, oh, that stuff will kill you. 0.72

01:47:36.000 Yeah. 0.85

01:47:37.000 Let's just walk that line.

01:47:39.000 I always wanted to walk that line.

01:47:41.000 And I had a mother that walked that line.

01:47:43.000 The book is very mother-heavy.

01:47:46.000 Very, very mother-heavy.

01:47:47.000 And it wasn't intended to be.

01:47:48.000 It just turned out that...

01:47:49.000 That's why I wanted to... 1.00

01:47:50.000 Fuck, I wish I had a book. 1.00

01:47:51.000 No worries. 1.00

01:47:52.000 I wanted to read you...

01:47:55.000 A section of the LSD, 13-year-old LSD thing.

01:47:59.000 Because it's fun.

01:48:00.000 Yeah, it's juicy.

01:48:01.000 Yeah.

01:48:02.000 You like juicy stuff.

01:48:03.000 I do.

01:48:03.000 And I want to read you juicy stuff.

01:48:05.000 13 LSD is so wild.

01:48:07.000 That's such a crazy, mind-blowing experience for a 13-year-old to have.

01:48:11.000 Yeah.

01:48:12.000 Can you imagine?

01:48:13.000 Because you look at...

01:48:13.000 I mean, I had kids when I had my first kid.

01:48:16.000 I was 20 years old.

01:48:17.000 And I was looking at 14 years in prison.

01:48:20.000 Oh my god.

01:48:21.000 Yeah.

01:48:22.000 Jesus Christ.

01:48:23.000 So that's why I missed my shot out there.

01:48:27.000 I was surprised.

01:48:28.000 It's Johnny Cash.

01:48:29.000 We'll get it.

01:48:30.000 There's Brolin.

01:48:31.000 We're going to order it.

01:48:32.000 Find Josh Brolin's.

01:48:34.000 Oh yeah, see if it's in there.

01:48:35.000 I think there's a couple.

01:48:36.000 Get a big mental print of it.

01:48:38.000 Not that I'm proud of it. 0.97

01:48:40.000 Well, it's part of your life and it's why you're you today because you've gone through shitty experiences. 0.89

01:48:45.000 Yeah, but I don't know if they're shitty. 0.65

01:48:47.000 I haven't decided whether they're shitty or whether they're necessary for this person to get to this place. 0.53

01:48:53.000 And not everybody gets to that place.

01:48:55.000 So we're talking about all these people like Hunter S. Thompson.

01:48:57.000 Hunter S. Thompson is my mother, man.

01:49:00.000 Just that she wasn't a good writer.

01:49:03.000 But everything that you, the song, that was my mom.

01:49:07.000 My mom had a loaded 9mm at her bedside table all the time. 1.00

01:49:11.000 She was part of the, what was the scam that went on in the 80s?

01:49:15.000 The Pyramid Scam.

01:49:17.000 Remember that?

01:49:17.000 She was one of the top five winners of the Pyramid Scam.

01:49:21.000 She could talk anybody into anything.

01:49:23.000 So she would come home literally, man, with bags, with grocery bags full of cash. 0.75

01:49:29.000 Wow.

01:49:30.000 And she'd dump it out and she'd say, count.

01:49:33.000 Jesus.

01:49:33.000 So I would sit there and count.

01:49:36.000 Wow.

01:49:36.000 You know what I mean?

01:49:37.000 And she'd put them and I finally found...

01:49:40.000 I think she had hidden some in her dresser and there was like a loose board that she took away and put money in there and I found it and bought some drums.

01:49:48.000 When my grandmother died we found stuff like that in her house because my grandmother went through the depression.

01:49:53.000 Oh yeah.

01:49:54.000 That mentality.

01:49:55.000 They all like stockpiled money so she had coffee cans filled with money that she had like tucked away in like different areas of the house that we found after she died. 0.58

01:50:04.000 Right, right.

01:50:05.000 It's kind of great.

01:50:06.000 Yeah.

01:50:06.000 The mentality of like Yeah, well, the mentality that you grow up or you literally might starve to death.

01:50:12.000 There's no food.

01:50:13.000 There's no way that can affect you and that's the whole point.

01:50:15.000 No way.

01:50:16.000 There's no way that somebody can have that mentality of every cent means something.

01:50:20.000 Right.

01:50:20.000 And we have to hide it unless somebody else takes it or whatever.

01:50:24.000 With my mother, it was always looking for the most vivid experience and I don't know why that was.

01:50:29.000 Her parents weren't like that.

01:50:30.000 It's just how she was.

01:50:31.000 And then you either have my brother.

01:50:33.000 I don't know if you have siblings or not, but my brother dealt with it totally different.

01:50:36.000 My brother imploded.

01:50:38.000 So he lives his life as simply as you can possibly live it.

01:50:43.000 Whereas me, my reaction was...

01:50:45.000 The other way.

01:50:46.000 Yeah.

01:50:48.000 So how now and why?

01:50:50.000 I don't know.

01:50:51.000 I don't know.

01:50:53.000 45 years old.

01:50:54.000 It feels like a good age to go, okay, do I want to go Nick Nolte?

01:51:00.000 Right, right, right, right.

01:51:02.000 And I can do that.

01:51:03.000 Easy.

01:51:04.000 Nick used to date Vicki Lewis, who was on news radio with me.

01:51:09.000 No way!

01:51:10.000 I didn't know that.

01:51:11.000 Yeah.

01:51:12.000 I remember Vicki well.

01:51:13.000 Super talented.

01:51:14.000 Super talented.

01:51:15.000 Yeah, could sing, could act.

01:51:16.000 She was a firebrand. 0.98

01:51:18.000 Yeah.

01:51:18.000 And Nick, we used to hang around the set, and it was always so weird to me to be talking to Nick Nolte.

01:51:25.000 It was so strange.

01:51:26.000 Yeah.

01:51:27.000 And I'm like, I'm mad.

01:51:28.000 I remember one time I went to Fry's Electronics because I used to make my own computers because I was really into computer games.

01:51:36.000 So I'd build my own computers. 0.92

01:51:38.000 And so I'm there looking at motherships and I see this fucking old guy with his glasses on and I go, I go, Nick. 0.98

01:51:46.000 He goes, oh, hey, Joe. 0.98

01:51:47.000 How are you, man?

01:51:48.000 Do you know anything about these things?

01:51:50.000 I was talking to him about computer stuff, but I just couldn't believe he knows my name.

01:51:54.000 He remembered me.

01:51:55.000 He saved my life, man.

01:51:57.000 He saved my life at 25. Bro, there's a terrible movie called Warrior.

01:52:02.000 It's a terrible movie.

01:52:03.000 Terrible movie.

01:52:04.000 You mean the UFC movie with Tom Hardy? 1.00

01:52:06.000 That movie sucks. 0.99

01:52:07.000 But he's fucking incredible in it. 1.00

01:52:10.000 He's amazing. 0.98

01:52:11.000 His one scene, this one scene when he breaks down, you know, he's the dad. 0.94

01:52:15.000 It's so fucking good. 0.97

01:52:18.000 I know it well. 0.98

01:52:18.000 It's so good. 0.98

01:52:19.000 That one scene is worth sitting through the entire preposterous movie.

01:52:23.000 Yeah.

01:52:23.000 Why do you hate that movie so much?

01:52:25.000 Because it's fake.

01:52:25.000 You can't fight like two days in a row.

01:52:29.000 Wasn't the Tyson-Jake fight, wasn't that amazing?

01:52:38.000 Yeah.

01:52:39.000 It's amazing they got paid so much money for that.

01:52:41.000 25 million and 40 million?

01:52:42.000 I think 20 and 40. Yeah, I think that's what I'd heard.

01:52:45.000 You know, which I'm happy Mike got the money.

01:52:47.000 And I'm happy that he didn't get hurt.

01:52:49.000 That was my fear that it was going to be a real fight and he was going to get hurt.

01:52:51.000 You've known him for a long time.

01:52:52.000 I've known him for a long time.

01:52:54.000 I love that dude.

01:52:55.000 Me too.

01:52:55.000 And he was a larger-than-life figure in my childhood.

01:52:59.000 Truly, me too.

01:52:59.000 When I was a kid, when he was the champ, it was like, people don't understand what a champ he was.

01:53:04.000 He wasn't just the heavyweight champ of the world.

01:53:07.000 He was an executioner.

01:53:10.000 Every fight was just a matter of how long was it going to last.

01:53:13.000 I don't remember which fight it was that I went to go see a couple of fights.

01:53:15.000 And I actually went to go see Julio Cesar Chavez fight.

01:53:18.000 And that's when I met Tyson in the green room.

01:53:21.000 And I met, at the same time, Muhammad Ali in the green room.

01:53:24.000 Oh, wow.

01:53:25.000 That was a moment.

01:53:26.000 Wow.

01:53:27.000 As a boxing fan, that was a real moment.

01:53:29.000 But I remember, and I don't know who it was, and I think it was a 90-second fight, and I went to go see this fight, and Tyson was fighting, and this guy was doing this stuff.

01:53:39.000 And he had built himself into confidence.

01:53:43.000 And Mike came out afterwards.

01:53:45.000 He was the first one, obviously.

01:53:47.000 And Mike came out afterwards.

01:53:49.000 And I watched his face.

01:53:50.000 I didn't watch Mike.

01:53:52.000 You would normally watch Mike because he's so charismatic and he's coming.

01:53:54.000 You want to see what he's going to do.

01:53:55.000 And I watched the guy's face.

01:53:57.000 And I watched that confidence bleed from his face instantaneously.

01:54:02.000 He had absolutely lost the fight long before Mike had ever gotten in the ring.

01:54:08.000 Yeah, I maintain that in a time where he was champion, like the two or three years where he was at his best, he's the greatest fighter of all time.

01:54:14.000 Of all time.

01:54:15.000 Of all time. 0.99

01:54:16.000 That's why it was so interesting to me as I was watching it, and I'm very verbal when it comes to that shit. 1.00

01:54:21.000 Come on! 1.00

01:54:23.000 What the fuck? 1.00

01:54:24.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

01:54:25.000 And he was, he's still quick.

01:54:28.000 Oh yeah.

01:54:28.000 He's still quick.

01:54:29.000 He's still very quick.

01:54:30.000 And he would do these things.

01:54:31.000 But you know, Mike had, like, he was walking with a cane just like a year and a half ago.

01:54:35.000 Yeah, but he was really out of shape.

01:54:36.000 He had bad sciatica.

01:54:37.000 Bad sciatica.

01:54:38.000 Yeah.

01:54:38.000 I didn't know that.

01:54:39.000 Yeah, real bad.

01:54:41.000 It wasn't that long ago that he was, you know, I mean, when I first met him, he was very, very heavy.

01:54:46.000 He was not working out at all.

01:54:48.000 And I asked him, how come you don't work out?

01:54:49.000 He goes, I don't want to ignite my ego.

01:54:52.000 He goes, I don't want to ignite the gods of war.

01:54:55.000 The gods of war.

01:54:57.000 And then the second time he came in was when he was preparing for the Roy Jones Jr. fight.

01:55:02.000 He came in here?

01:55:02.000 Yeah.

01:55:03.000 And he was a totally different human being. 0.99

01:55:04.000 He was fucking jacked and in shape and he looked super intense. 0.99

01:55:09.000 And he was just like ready to go. 0.99

01:55:11.000 And it was terrifying.

01:55:12.000 It was like...

01:55:13.000 Jamie...

01:55:13.000 Wait, when was this?

01:55:14.000 A few years ago.

01:55:15.000 Four years ago?

01:55:16.000 Four years ago?

01:55:20.000 We're good to go.

01:55:44.000 Yes.

01:55:47.000 Yes.

01:55:52.000 Yes.

01:55:54.000 Yes.

01:56:00.000 Yes, but Larry Holmes never got his due.

01:56:02.000 He was an amazing fighter.

01:56:03.000 Amazing fighter, but still.

01:56:05.000 But when he retired, then there was just like a series of boring champions.

01:56:09.000 No one cared about the heavyweight division at all.

01:56:12.000 No one cared.

01:56:13.000 And then the cover of Sports Illustrated.

01:56:16.000 I have it framed in my office at home.

01:56:18.000 It said Kid Dynamite on it.

01:56:20.000 And he was 19 years old.

01:56:22.000 And I was like, who is this guy?

01:56:23.000 And then I started watching him fight.

01:56:24.000 And then he was fighting on like ABC Wide World of Sports.

01:56:27.000 You're like, Jesus Christ!

01:56:28.000 Do you find yourself going back and watching highlights just to do it?

01:56:31.000 Oh, yeah.

01:56:31.000 I do it all the time.

01:56:32.000 I watch Tyson fights all the time.

01:56:33.000 Yeah.

01:56:34.000 Yeah, I just watched this fight with Frank Bruno just a couple of days ago.

01:56:38.000 Frank Bruno.

01:56:39.000 Oh my god.

01:56:39.000 Tyson was something...

01:56:41.000 I just don't think you can maintain that.

01:56:44.000 You can only do that for a few years.

01:56:45.000 The only fights that never worked out...

01:56:47.000 Do you remember the fight with him and Bone Crusher Smith?

01:56:49.000 Oh yeah.

01:56:50.000 Not a great fight.

01:56:51.000 No, it wasn't the best fight.

01:56:52.000 Because Bone Crusher Smith was not a great fighter.

01:56:55.000 Well, he was a good fighter.

01:56:56.000 But not a great fighter.

01:56:57.000 Tough guy.

01:56:58.000 But, you know, brutal knockout puncher.

01:57:00.000 It just wasn't at Mike's level.

01:57:03.000 Mike was at a level that no one was at.

01:57:05.000 It was an insane combination of discipline, talent, incredible coaching, psychology.

01:57:13.000 You know, when he was 13 years old, he was adopted by a guy who was a hypnotist.

01:57:18.000 Cuss used to hypnotize him.

01:57:20.000 Oh, I didn't know that.

01:57:20.000 Yeah, he hypnotized him by the time he was 13. Into being the greatest fighter?

01:57:26.000 Into being the greatest fighter.

01:57:27.000 Wow.

01:57:27.000 And he told him, you don't exist.

01:57:29.000 Only the task exists.

01:57:31.000 And the task was just destruction.

01:57:33.000 Did Mike tell you that?

01:57:34.000 Yeah.

01:57:35.000 I've never heard him say that.

01:57:36.000 Did he say that to other people?

01:57:37.000 Oh yeah, he said it publicly.

01:57:38.000 I've never said it.

01:57:39.000 Yeah, he talked about the hypnosis.

01:57:42.000 He started doing it when he was 13 years old.

01:57:44.000 So what's the parallel between, and this is the last thing I'll interview you about, what's the thing between Tyson and Jon Jones, who I met once and I looked at him when I met him on a plane, and he didn't give me really the time of day, but I was like, I'm a huge fan,

01:57:59.000 and I don't say that often to a lot of people.

01:58:01.000 He probably gets out all day long.

01:58:03.000 I'm sure he does, man.

01:58:04.000 There's no doubt.

01:58:05.000 Special fighter.

01:58:06.000 It's conquerors.

01:58:08.000 That's what it is.

01:58:09.000 They're both conquerors.

01:58:10.000 I had this thing that I put up on my Instagram the other day that somebody made.

01:58:13.000 It was me talking about trying to explain why John exists.

01:58:17.000 That there's people that are just different.

01:58:19.000 They're wired different.

01:58:20.000 And they...

01:58:22.000 They are uncommon amongst uncommon men.

01:58:25.000 They rise to the top of the top and they just dominate.

01:58:30.000 They just dominate.

01:58:31.000 And that's John.

01:58:32.000 He's just the greatest of all time.

01:58:34.000 It's exciting to watch.

01:58:34.000 He's 37 years old and he's still the greatest.

01:58:37.000 That's crazy.

01:58:38.000 Watching that fight, watching Tyson or Jake Paul or whatever, Jake Paul, I wouldn't even want to say Tyson, and then going the next day and watching that fight.

01:58:48.000 Watching those fights.

01:58:49.000 It wasn't the only fight.

01:58:50.000 The one before was...

01:58:53.000 What was his name?

01:58:55.000 The fight before Jon Jones.

01:58:56.000 Oh, Charles Oliveira and Michael Chandler.

01:58:57.000 Oliveira.

01:58:58.000 Incredible fight.

01:58:59.000 Incredible fight.

01:59:00.000 Amazing fight.

01:59:01.000 Yeah.

01:59:01.000 Yeah, Jon is a special dude.

01:59:03.000 When he's gone, we're all gonna miss him.

01:59:06.000 He's a different kind of guy. 0.99

01:59:06.000 I mean, he's been at the top for 14 fucking years. 0.99

01:59:10.000 Fucking years. 0.99

01:59:10.000 He won the title as the youngest guy to ever win a UFC title. 0.99

01:59:13.000 23. 23. And Mike was the youngest heavyweight champion of all time at 20, which is really crazy.

01:59:19.000 Crazy.

01:59:19.000 But when Jon Jones won that title at 23, it's just been destruction of everyone ever since.

01:59:27.000 Never ducked anybody, fought all the best, destroyed everybody, dominated his division, went up to heavyweight, dominates at heavyweight.

01:59:34.000 So why does somebody like that self-destruct?

01:59:37.000 Is that a self-destruction? 1.00

01:59:39.000 Because he's a wild motherfucker. 1.00

01:59:40.000 That's how you get to be that good. 1.00

01:59:41.000 Isn't that what we're talking about the whole time?

01:59:43.000 Whether it's Hunter S. Thompson and this, and how you walk that line.

01:59:47.000 Mike Tyson spending whatever, $350, $400 million, going to jail, whatever that is.

01:59:53.000 Wild.

01:59:53.000 But that's also what makes you so good, that wildness.

01:59:57.000 Jon Jones, when he fought Mauricio Shogun Hua for the light heavyweight title when he was 23 years old, he opens up the fight with a flying knee.

02:00:04.000 Nobody does that.

02:00:05.000 You're fighting a legend.

02:00:06.000 Shogun, at that time, when he was the light heavyweight champion, he was a legend.

02:00:10.000 And not just a legend from the UFC, but a legend from Pride.

02:00:13.000 Pride was this gigantic organization in Japan that Shogun really became famous.

02:00:19.000 So he was like a mythical creature almost in MMA circles.

02:00:23.000 That was Shogun Hua.

02:00:24.000 He was a beast.

02:00:25.000 Conor McGregor and Jon Jones.

02:00:29.000 John's in a different category.

02:00:30.000 It's a different thing.

02:00:31.000 Yeah.

02:00:31.000 Conor self-destructed, you know, in a lot of ways because of money.

02:00:38.000 You know, I mean, he took that fight with Floyd Mayweather, made a ton of money off that, and then took a long time before he came back to MMA, and it's just not been the same guy since.

02:00:49.000 And I think that's just...

02:00:52.000 It's money.

02:00:52.000 It's a lot of partying.

02:00:53.000 But it's the same kind of thing.

02:00:55.000 It's just a wild... 1.00

02:00:56.000 But in his prime, when Connor was in his prime, he was a fucking assassin. 1.00

02:01:00.000 Fucking amazing. 1.00

02:01:01.000 He was a fucking assassin. 1.00

02:01:02.000 But it's that thing, that through line of not being able to let go. 1.00

02:01:06.000 It's like what you were talking about, Chappelle.

02:01:07.000 Chappelle leaves for 10 years, but then he goes to the park and he does a thing.

02:01:10.000 There's a thing that's insatiable, that warrior mentality.

02:01:13.000 Yeah, but there's a difference because physically you can only fight for so long.

02:01:17.000 Yeah, that's true.

02:01:18.000 Comedy, you get better every year.

02:01:20.000 Dave's better now than he was a year ago.

02:01:22.000 He'd be better two years from now than he is now.

02:01:23.000 You can still be Rodney Dangerfield eventually. 1.00

02:01:25.000 Rodney Dangerfield, when I saw him, he was probably 70 years old and he was murdering in his fucking bathrobe, naked. 1.00

02:01:31.000 With his schlong hanging out. 0.99

02:01:33.000 Yeah, he was still amazing because it's not a physical thing.

02:01:38.000 Your body can only compete at the highest levels for so long, which is one of the things that's so extraordinary about John.

02:01:43.000 Because he's 37 and he still competes at the highest level.

02:01:46.000 It blew my mind the other night.

02:01:49.000 It was exciting.

02:01:50.000 It was nice to be excited about something.

02:01:52.000 Steve Bay's past is prime, unfortunately, and he's got a lot of wear on the tires, and it was kind of rough watching him get beat up like that.

02:01:58.000 But that's the game they play.

02:02:00.000 That's the sport.

02:02:01.000 Yeah.

02:02:02.000 And what's great about UFC that I never thought would last in the beginning, the great thing is anything can happen.

02:02:07.000 Anything can happen.

02:02:08.000 At any time.

02:02:08.000 Yeah.

02:02:09.000 Frank Fertitta and Lorenzo Fertitta always said that every fight, every UFC, we sell holy shit moments. 0.56

02:02:15.000 That's what he said. 0.92

02:02:16.000 That's it. 0.99

02:02:17.000 Like there's moments in the fight where you're like, holy shit. 0.98

02:02:19.000 You look around at each other and everybody like- Dude, nobody does it better than you when you do this. 0.98

02:02:23.000 You go back and you're thinking, you go, oh!

02:02:25.000 Oh! 0.60

02:02:26.000 And your eyes are this big.

02:02:27.000 We always did that, but then they started putting cameras on us.

02:02:30.000 Right.

02:02:30.000 And I don't know why, when they started doing that.

02:02:32.000 You and Cormier?

02:02:32.000 Yeah.

02:02:33.000 We always did that.

02:02:34.000 Every time something would happen, we would throw our- Because it's organic.

02:02:37.000 Yes.

02:02:37.000 It's like, you can't help it.

02:02:38.000 That's what I'm doing at home.

02:02:40.000 Yeah.

02:02:42.000 Holy shit. 1.00

02:02:43.000 Yeah, holy shit. 1.00

02:02:44.000 Holy shit. 1.00

02:02:44.000 Yeah, there's moments where you just like, you can't believe it's really happening. 1.00

02:02:48.000 Yeah.

02:02:48.000 That's the sport.

02:02:49.000 The sport is, it's the craziest sport.

02:02:51.000 It's the highest consequences of any sport.

02:02:54.000 It's just, it's so raw and dangerous and you can't look away.

02:02:58.000 It's so crazy.

02:02:59.000 And when someone can dominate it, like John Jones or George St. Pierre or Mighty Mouse or any of the greats.

02:03:05.000 George St. Pierre, another great one.

02:03:07.000 Great!

02:03:07.000 When they can do that, it's like, that's a different kind of human being.

02:03:11.000 I mean, to be the best of the best people, the best people in the world at fighting, and that he's the best of the best people.

02:03:18.000 And when George was in his prime, it was that same sort of thing. 0.98

02:03:21.000 You would see him standing there, like, this intense look in his eyes, just couldn't wait to get his fucking hands on that guy. 1.00

02:03:26.000 You're like, God damn! 0.99

02:03:28.000 I feel very, very, very, very fortunate that I've been able to witness personally so many of those moments and be there to watch greatness so many times. 0.99

02:03:39.000 I think it's great that you've continued.

02:03:41.000 It's surprising to me.

02:03:43.000 I love it.

02:03:43.000 I know you do, and that's why you continue to do it.

02:03:46.000 Well, I did the first, like, 13 of them for free.

02:03:49.000 First 13 ever?

02:03:50.000 Yeah, the first thing I did.

02:03:52.000 No, it was like UFC 37. Oh, when you got into it.

02:03:56.000 I started working at UFC 12. UFC 12 was the first event that I did in 1997. I was the post-fight interview guy.

02:04:03.000 And so I did that for a couple of years.

02:04:07.000 It was banned from cable.

02:04:10.000 That's why I said it kind of went like this and then it was going down.

02:04:13.000 Boxing did it to them.

02:04:14.000 Boxing in cahoots with Budweiser, which is funny because now Bud White sponsors the UFC. But they all wanted the MMA thing to go away because it was so exciting and crazy.

02:04:23.000 They thought of it as a threat.

02:04:25.000 And they essentially banished it.

02:04:28.000 It also just had this unsavory look to it.

02:04:31.000 You're fighting in a cage.

02:04:33.000 Back in those days it was bare knuckle.

02:04:36.000 It was bloody.

02:04:37.000 They would call it human cockfighting, which I always found disgusting.

02:04:43.000 But me, as a martial artist, the question was always, what would happen if you got a judo guy and he fought a wrestler?

02:04:50.000 What would happen if you got a boxer and you fought a karate guy?

02:04:52.000 And the UFC was like, let's find out.

02:04:55.000 You know, so Horry and Gracie came up with this concept.

02:04:57.000 That's what I was going to say.

02:04:58.000 Gracie was one of the first judo versus jujitsu, right?

02:05:01.000 Well, Hoyce, you know, Hoyce was the first champion of the UFC. And he was the first guy to introduce that, like, technique is more important than everything.

02:05:09.000 Technique is more important than being big, more important than being strong.

02:05:13.000 Because Hoist was like 175 pounds.

02:05:16.000 He was very slight and long and just a jiu-jitsu wizard. 0.95

02:05:21.000 And he would get guys on the ground and strangle the fuck out of him. 0.89

02:05:23.000 And we were like, what happened? 0.98

02:05:25.000 This is crazy. 1.00

02:05:26.000 That's another holy shit moment. 1.00

02:05:27.000 The big jack guy's tapping. 0.99

02:05:29.000 You're like, what?!

02:05:30.000 What happened?

02:05:31.000 And Hoist just opened up the world to Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and it made Brazilian Jiu Jitsu like the most popular martial art on earth.

02:05:38.000 Like his appearances in the UFC changed the entire course of martial arts.

02:05:42.000 His family, the Gracie family, particularly his father Elio, his brother Hickson, his brother Hoyler, and Horian of course because he created the UFC, they changed martial arts forever.

02:05:54.000 That more development and evolution of martial arts has taken place over the last 30 years than over the last 30,000 years.

02:06:01.000 Wow.

02:06:01.000 Yeah.

02:06:02.000 Really, that's accurate.

02:06:04.000 Fighting is different.

02:06:06.000 People really understand what works and what doesn't work now.

02:06:08.000 And watching him was balletic.

02:06:10.000 It was like a ballet.

02:06:11.000 Yes.

02:06:12.000 It was art.

02:06:13.000 It was art.

02:06:14.000 It's real martial arts.

02:06:15.000 No.

02:06:16.000 It wasn't that.

02:06:16.000 His dad told him, don't hurt these people.

02:06:19.000 Hmm.

02:06:20.000 Don't hurt them.

02:06:21.000 You don't have to hurt them.

02:06:22.000 Show them the art.

02:06:23.000 Just submit them.

02:06:23.000 Show them the art, yeah.

02:06:25.000 So Hoist, when he got on top of people, he wasn't elbowing them, the eyeballs.

02:06:28.000 He was just strangling folks.

02:06:30.000 Just arm barring folks.

02:06:31.000 Making them tap.

02:06:32.000 Making them quit.

02:06:33.000 That's wild.

02:06:33.000 And he did it to everybody.

02:06:34.000 And they were all like, what the fuck just happened? 0.98

02:06:36.000 And then everybody had to learn Jiu Jitsu. 0.98

02:06:39.000 It changed martial arts forever.

02:06:40.000 Do your kids do jiu-jitsu?

02:06:41.000 Yeah, my kids have done it.

02:06:42.000 Have done it?

02:06:43.000 Yeah, they don't do it anymore.

02:06:44.000 They do other stuff.

02:06:45.000 I don't push them.

02:06:46.000 If they wanted to do it tomorrow, they said, I'm thinking about doing some kickboxing.

02:06:50.000 Let's go.

02:06:51.000 Where do you want to go?

02:06:51.000 But I don't believe in...

02:06:53.000 Everybody's different.

02:06:54.000 I don't want them to... 1.00

02:06:55.000 Follow my footsteps or anything stupid like that. 1.00

02:06:57.000 I want you to be your own human being. 1.00

02:06:59.000 What are you interested in?

02:07:01.000 They're both interested in different things.

02:07:02.000 My youngest is an artist.

02:07:04.000 My other one is a phenomenal athlete.

02:07:07.000 It's like, I think that you should do what you want to do.

02:07:10.000 And if you want to do that, I'll bring you.

02:07:12.000 I'll show you.

02:07:13.000 I'll teach you.

02:07:14.000 I'll help you.

02:07:15.000 But if you don't want to do that, I don't want to push you.

02:07:17.000 Let me be a good parent and celebrate what my kid is, not what I want.

02:07:20.000 There's so many different kinds of things you could be interested in life.

02:07:24.000 And everyone has a different psychology, so everyone has different things they gravitate towards.

02:07:28.000 It's just like, what is the thing?

02:07:30.000 Is it music?

02:07:31.000 Is it art?

02:07:32.000 Is it your writing?

02:07:33.000 What do you like to do?

02:07:34.000 Find that thing, chase it down.

02:07:36.000 How many kids do you have?

02:07:37.000 I have three.

02:07:37.000 I have a grown, she's 28, and I have a 16 and a 14. I feel like you've got to do what compels you, what drives you.

02:07:47.000 And part of it as a parent is, like, there's so many stories of parents, particularly with, like, talented athletes, that were too hard on the kid and put too much discipline on the kid, and the kid's burned out.

02:07:59.000 I've seen so many cases of that, you know, with these sideline parents.

02:08:04.000 That Russian mentality or that Asian mentality. 0.62

02:08:06.000 Not here, but there.

02:08:07.000 He killed the joy.

02:08:09.000 You know what Horace Gracie's dad used to do?

02:08:12.000 If he lost a competition, he would buy him a present.

02:08:16.000 Because?

02:08:16.000 What was the psychology?

02:08:18.000 Because they're always going to want to win.

02:08:19.000 Meaning the effort?

02:08:20.000 He bought the effort?

02:08:21.000 He bought the present for the effort?

02:08:23.000 No, no.

02:08:23.000 It's like, it doesn't matter.

02:08:24.000 It doesn't matter.

02:08:25.000 Like, here, you have a toy.

02:08:26.000 Here's a gift.

02:08:27.000 Here's a thing.

02:08:28.000 Like, this is just growth.

02:08:30.000 This is just development.

02:08:33.000 Hoyce's dad, Elio, felt like you live the same life over and over and over again until you get it right.

02:08:39.000 He subscribed to that ancient Eastern philosophy of reincarnation.

02:08:45.000 He really believed you will live the same life over and over until you get it right.

02:08:51.000 And so his philosophy is do 1% better a day.

02:08:55.000 Just do 1%.

02:08:56.000 It's not about going from here to here.

02:08:58.000 It's not living at 100% all the time.

02:09:00.000 It's the process.

02:09:02.000 It's the process.

02:09:02.000 It's the constant process of growth.

02:09:04.000 And through that constant process, I mean, what they did was even more crazy because Ilio, along with Carlos Gracie, they revolutionized a martial art.

02:09:15.000 Jiu-jitsu is brought over by these judokas from Japan, Maeda and Kimura, who came over to Brazil and trained with the Gracies. 0.99

02:09:26.000 And then they took those techniques and made them applicable to smaller people.

02:09:32.000 Because Ilio was only 145 pounds.

02:09:34.000 But he would have these no-rules fights in Brazil. 0.97

02:09:37.000 These fucking huge fights that would go for like an hour and a half. 0.99

02:09:40.000 Wow. 1.00

02:09:41.000 Yeah.

02:09:41.000 And he would just beat these guys with technique.

02:09:43.000 So they developed leverage.

02:09:45.000 They figured out a way to highlight the submissions and make things super technical.

02:09:50.000 And they would analyze moves and break them down.

02:09:52.000 And it became the philosophy of the entire family. 0.99

02:09:55.000 That one family created more fucking assassins than any other family in the history of martial arts. 0.98

02:10:02.000 And yet they're the nicest people. 1.00

02:10:03.000 The nicest people.

02:10:04.000 Yeah.

02:10:04.000 Yeah, I had Hoisin here a couple months ago.

02:10:06.000 He was awesome.

02:10:07.000 He's so fun.

02:10:08.000 Do you know Ceci?

02:10:09.000 No.

02:10:09.000 She's with Laird a lot.

02:10:11.000 She's with Laird's place a lot.

02:10:13.000 I mean, they have a clan, bro.

02:10:15.000 It's a clan, but it's a close clan.

02:10:17.000 Yes.

02:10:17.000 And it's a friendly, familial clan.

02:10:20.000 Yep.

02:10:20.000 Yeah, they're very nice people.

02:10:21.000 But that's the thing about jiu-jitsu.

02:10:23.000 It's like you get out all your aggression in the gym and it kills your ego.

02:10:27.000 And you can go be kind.

02:10:28.000 You can just be a nice person.

02:10:29.000 Be a nice person.

02:10:29.000 Jiu-jitsu people are some of the nicest people I've ever met.

02:10:32.000 Me too.

02:10:32.000 They're super friendly and warm and normal people.

02:10:35.000 They just are obsessed with this one thing.

02:10:37.000 Yeah.

02:10:38.000 And through that thing, it's like a vehicle for developing your human potential because it's so difficult.

02:10:43.000 Mm-hmm.

02:10:44.000 And when you do a difficult thing, it makes the rest of life a lot easier.

02:10:48.000 Because there's no way whatever you're experiencing during the day is going to be as difficult as someone on your back trying to strangle the blood out of your brain. 0.99

02:10:56.000 Like literally trying to fucking choke the blood out of your head. 0.99

02:11:00.000 There's no way. 0.99

02:11:02.000 There's no way life could be harder than that.

02:11:04.000 But that's the thing is the wildness.

02:11:05.000 You have to have something.

02:11:07.000 To be a champion.

02:11:08.000 To be a champion or to be a good person, I think.

02:11:11.000 You have wildness, which we've talked about throughout this whole thing.

02:11:14.000 If you don't have wildness, you're going to be boring.

02:11:15.000 Which if you bring it back, honestly, because I have to bring it back to the book, that's what the book is about.

02:11:19.000 Yeah.

02:11:19.000 Wildness unmitigated.

02:11:21.000 Right, but you eventually figured out a way to get a grip on it.

02:11:24.000 That eventually turns out on you.

02:11:25.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:11:25.000 No, but most people, it turns around and it bites you in the ass. 1.00

02:11:29.000 Most people. 1.00

02:11:29.000 And it's a sad ending. 1.00

02:11:30.000 But I think those sad endings are a valuable lesson for the other people.

02:11:35.000 Power of example.

02:11:36.000 Yeah.

02:11:37.000 One of the reasons why I never did coke is when I was in high school, my friend's cousin became a coke head. 0.98

02:11:43.000 He was a coke dealer and became a coke head. 0.99

02:11:45.000 And him and his girlfriend would just do coke and hide.

02:11:48.000 They had an attic apartment. 0.99

02:11:50.000 They were in this fucking apartment and were just doing coke and selling coke and watching TV. And he like withered away. 0.99

02:11:56.000 He lost all this weight.

02:11:57.000 Like he got bit by a vampire.

02:11:59.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:11:59.000 And I remember thinking, Jesus Christ, stay the fuck away from Coke. 0.99

02:12:03.000 It was terrifying. 0.99

02:12:03.000 Why would you want to do that? 0.99

02:12:04.000 What would be attractive about that?

02:12:06.000 Nothing.

02:12:06.000 I guess it's the – I mean, you've done it.

02:12:08.000 I haven't done it.

02:12:09.000 I guess it's the euphoria when you get that hit, that feeling, that feeling of elevation, that feeling of like you just know fear and you feel excited.

02:12:20.000 You want to start a business with people and – You got plans. 0.97

02:12:25.000 We're going to fucking take over. 0.95

02:12:26.000 I just love, like in the description of it, the eyes kind of get like this and the craziness. 0.99

02:12:31.000 And you go, yeah, it's bad for everybody else. 0.98

02:12:33.000 It may be good for you for like 15 minutes, but everybody else is fucking miserable around you. 0.98

02:12:38.000 The worst thing to me was when I would be high, like smoking weed, and I'd be like just chilled and silly, and I'd run into a coke head. 0.99

02:12:45.000 And you're like, oh no!

02:12:47.000 He's trying to talk to you like this?

02:12:48.000 You just get battered with, like, talk.

02:12:50.000 I gotta get out of here! 0.99

02:12:53.000 It's disgusting to me.

02:12:54.000 Yeah, it's a weird drug.

02:12:56.000 It's a weird drug, but it's obviously very popular.

02:12:58.000 Yeah.

02:12:59.000 And causes a lot of problems.

02:13:01.000 Yeah, no thanks anymore.

02:13:02.000 Yeah.

02:13:03.000 No thanks.

02:13:03.000 I'm good.

02:13:04.000 Not interested in that one. 1.00

02:13:04.000 You smoke your butt, I'll smoke my cigar. 1.00

02:13:07.000 Yeah, I like cigars too. 1.00

02:13:08.000 I'm good.

02:13:08.000 Cigars are conversational.

02:13:10.000 They are.

02:13:10.000 They're tools for conversation.

02:13:12.000 Yeah.

02:13:13.000 They relax you, light your brain up a little bit, get you a little fired up.

02:13:17.000 Read this book when you can.

02:13:18.000 I will.

02:13:19.000 Seriously, I think you'll like it.

02:13:21.000 I know I'll like it.

02:13:22.000 I like talking to you.

02:13:22.000 Yeah, you'll laugh.

02:13:26.000 You'll laugh.

02:13:27.000 Not everybody will laugh when they read the book.

02:13:29.000 You will laugh.

02:13:31.000 Because I think you understand absurdity.

02:13:33.000 How long did it take you to put it together?

02:13:35.000 Two years.

02:13:36.000 It's non-linear.

02:13:37.000 It goes all over the place in all these years.

02:13:40.000 Did you have, when you sat down, did you have like a framework in mind of how you wanted to pursue it?

02:13:45.000 No.

02:13:45.000 No?

02:13:45.000 No, because I've written probably 90 journals in my life, 90 full journals, and I would go back and I kind of started to put...

02:13:52.000 Some of those together and I'd go oh that happened in 88 or that happened in 76 and that you know that kind of stands out as being a Milestone moment or whatever and I start to write those down they were really poorly written and then that started to instigate one thing and another thing and it kind of wrote itself.

02:14:08.000 I think it was 450 pages when I finished and then I knocked it down to like 240. What is that process like, the editing process?

02:14:17.000 That's a good process.

02:14:19.000 That's the hardest process I've ever gone through.

02:14:21.000 But you become a better writer.

02:14:22.000 Do you do it with an editor or do you do it by yourself?

02:14:24.000 No, I did it with an editor because I didn't sell the book right away.

02:14:28.000 First of all, most memoirs are not written by the people who they're about, which makes no sense to me.

02:14:33.000 Because you're writing about yourself, but you're hiring somebody else to do it, but you're taking the money.

02:14:37.000 I don't get it.

02:14:38.000 So I wrote it.

02:14:40.000 I wrote the entire book.

02:14:41.000 Then I sold it.

02:14:42.000 So I didn't sell it based on a celebrity.

02:14:45.000 I sold it based on the book because you could read the book.

02:14:48.000 And some people hated it.

02:14:49.000 Some people read it and they go, I don't get it.

02:14:51.000 It's too wild.

02:14:52.000 It's too whatever.

02:14:54.000 Well, everything is not for everybody.

02:14:56.000 Exactly.

02:14:57.000 And that's okay.

02:14:58.000 Yeah.

02:14:58.000 It's more than okay.

02:15:00.000 It's important. 0.73

02:15:00.000 What's wild is when I was in the middle, which I think you would like, when I was in the middle of doing the audible for the book, About halfway through, stumbling through the audible, I go, what the fuck did I do? 0.73

02:15:13.000 I should burn any evidence that this fucking was ever even thought about. 0.95

02:15:18.000 And then I spiraled for about a month. 0.99

02:15:21.000 And I don't spiral.

02:15:22.000 I just don't spiral about anything.

02:15:24.000 I'm pretty cool with anything that comes along.

02:15:28.000 And then people started reading the book.

02:15:31.000 And then I got this varied response that was always visceral.

02:15:35.000 It was never like, I really liked your book a lot.

02:15:37.000 I thought it was well written and all that. 1.00

02:15:38.000 Somebody would go, fuck! 1.00

02:15:40.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:15:41.000 And that's nice.

02:15:41.000 That means you nailed it.

02:15:42.000 I don't know.

02:15:43.000 Yeah.

02:15:44.000 I don't know.

02:15:44.000 But I do know that the responses are good.

02:15:47.000 Well, that's what's important.

02:15:49.000 Yeah.

02:15:49.000 It's working.

02:15:50.000 It had a desired effect.

02:15:52.000 You got out your thoughts.

02:15:53.000 You got out your experiences.

02:15:54.000 But that editing process is a good process because you refine and you clarify and you simplify.

02:16:02.000 Yeah.

02:16:02.000 That's cool.

02:16:03.000 You get to look at it with fresh eyes.

02:16:04.000 With fresh eyes.

02:16:05.000 Yeah.

02:16:05.000 You know, it's the arm bar.

02:16:07.000 You could just grab an arm and then try to bend it as much as you can. 0.97

02:16:10.000 Or you can fucking figure out how to get in there every time. 0.98

02:16:13.000 Did you... 0.99

02:16:14.000 And tap the guy out.

02:16:15.000 Did you always know that you were going to do this?

02:16:17.000 You're going to write this book?

02:16:18.000 No, I'd written two or three books and put them in a dark corner and let them accumulate dust.

02:16:24.000 I never thought I would do it publicly.

02:16:27.000 Because I was always into that thing of like, oh, you're an actor and get over it.

02:16:31.000 You want to be a writer.

02:16:32.000 You want to be a writer or you want to be a musician.

02:16:34.000 Every actor wants to be a musician.

02:16:36.000 Every actor wants to be a rock star.

02:16:37.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:16:38.000 And I was like, nah.

02:16:39.000 And then this lady read this book, this lit agent.

02:16:42.000 I said it the third time. 0.99

02:16:43.000 And she said, you need to fucking stop. 0.99

02:16:47.000 Referencing yourself as an actor who's a writer. 1.00

02:16:49.000 You're a fucking writer and a really good writer. 1.00

02:16:52.000 Just write. 1.00

02:16:53.000 And she was tough on me.

02:16:55.000 So you feel like you had almost like a disclaimer?

02:16:58.000 Like I'm an actor.

02:17:00.000 Oh yeah, I did.

02:17:01.000 That's what you're doing, giving yourself like an escape?

02:17:03.000 I did because there was something about that profession anyway that I always looked at and I always thought, why do I do this? 1.00

02:17:10.000 This is dumb. 0.98

02:17:12.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

02:17:13.000 And where's the self-importance come from?

02:17:16.000 What happened to the wagon that just went down and people tried to shoot you?

02:17:19.000 Doesn't the self-importance just come from attention?

02:17:22.000 Period.

02:17:22.000 You get extraordinary amounts of attention and then people develop self-importance because of that.

02:17:26.000 Yes.

02:17:26.000 Because they think they deserve that attention.

02:17:28.000 Because it's a false thing.

02:17:30.000 Yeah.

02:17:30.000 And then you start seeing people manifest it like, excuse me, I said...

02:17:34.000 Hot coffee.

02:17:35.000 I didn't say warm coffee.

02:17:37.000 I said, you know, and you go, I don't understand the mentality.

02:17:41.000 So for me, it's probably another attempt, which I think I've manifested in a bunch of different ways, of right-sizing. 0.99

02:17:50.000 There's nothing that will right-size you like a fucking book. 0.96

02:17:55.000 It puts you right back into why are you doing what you are doing? 0.99

02:17:59.000 Where do you come from?

02:18:00.000 How do you feel about your kids?

02:18:04.000 Where's your sensitivity?

02:18:06.000 Where are things that have become concrete that you need to break in order to feel again?

02:18:13.000 Where are you limiting yourself?

02:18:16.000 And I don't like the idea of limiting myself.

02:18:19.000 Did I love drinking? 1.00

02:18:21.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

02:18:23.000 I had so much fun, dude. 1.00

02:18:25.000 And so did a lot of other people.

02:18:27.000 But I go, this is now limiting.

02:18:30.000 Well, don't you want to go out and take a drink? 1.00

02:18:32.000 I go, fuck no. 0.99

02:18:34.000 When you're out with a bunch of people having fun? 1.00

02:18:35.000 No, because I'm having fun.

02:18:37.000 Right.

02:18:38.000 You don't need to drink to have fun, but there's a thing when you're drinking a lot and having fun, you think this is the reason why I'm having fun.

02:18:44.000 This is the reason why I'm having fun.

02:18:45.000 Yeah, it's a trap.

02:18:46.000 That's the trap.

02:18:47.000 Yeah.

02:18:48.000 That's the trap.

02:18:49.000 Well, you know, you can have a drink or two and really enjoy yourself, or you could think that the only reason why you're enjoying yourself is because you're having a drink or two.

02:18:56.000 And that's usually why you have more drinks, because you think, this is the reason people are liking me right now.

02:19:01.000 This is the reason people think I'm funny.

02:19:03.000 And you keep chasing that dragon.

02:19:05.000 Imagine if you went on stage, and every time you went on stage, you had to have at least six drinks.

02:19:10.000 Because you go, this is what they want.

02:19:12.000 And then you'd wake up in the morning, and your kid goes and wakes you up, and you're like, ugh.

02:19:19.000 And you go, that's not worth it. 0.99

02:19:21.000 What's the fucking dude's name from Knight Rider? 0.99

02:19:24.000 You know who I'm talking about. 1.00

02:19:25.000 Oh, David Hasselhoff?

02:19:26.000 Yeah.

02:19:26.000 You ever see that video?

02:19:27.000 Of course I did.

02:19:28.000 The burger video.

02:19:29.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:19:30.000 It's the saddest fucking thing ever. 0.99

02:19:31.000 Yeah, it didn't look like a good burger. 1.00

02:19:33.000 Well, he's just hammered and his kid filmed it.

02:19:35.000 It's awful, man.

02:19:37.000 It's so awful.

02:19:37.000 It's so cringy.

02:19:38.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:19:39.000 That's what everybody's afraid of, becoming that pathetic example to your children. 0.96

02:19:44.000 And you wonder how much that exists and the video's not going. 0.98

02:19:48.000 That daughter videoed that. 0.99

02:19:50.000 Right.

02:19:50.000 Like, I want you to see what this looks like.

02:19:53.000 Right.

02:19:53.000 And supposedly that kind of threw him into sobriety or whatever.

02:19:56.000 I don't know if he's sober or not.

02:19:58.000 Did he?

02:19:58.000 I don't know.

02:19:59.000 I hope he is.

02:20:00.000 If anything would throw you into sobriety, your children filming you at the lowest moment possible would do it for you.

02:20:07.000 Yeah.

02:20:07.000 I didn't want to be filmed, so I stopped early.

02:20:11.000 You got off at the right time.

02:20:12.000 I did get filmed the last time.

02:20:14.000 Yeah?

02:20:15.000 Yeah, it was super lame.

02:20:18.000 I was at a, what do you call it, a Del Taco, and I tapped the cab in front of me accidentally when I was moving forward, and he got out and created a thing, and somebody filmed it from the back of the cab.

02:20:30.000 Oh, wow. 0.98

02:20:31.000 Yeah, and I looked stupid. 1.00

02:20:34.000 You can't fucking drive! 1.00

02:20:37.000 You don't have to fucking drive! 1.00

02:20:38.000 You're like, oh, dude, shh. 1.00

02:20:42.000 Don't speak.

02:20:43.000 Don't speak.

02:20:44.000 There's nothing worse than being sober and seeing something.

02:20:46.000 Oh, there's nothing. 0.90

02:20:47.000 Oh, no, I'm so gross.

02:20:49.000 Because your perception of it while you were going, you were like, no, man, this is an honorable moment.

02:20:53.000 You're saying I did something that I didn't do.

02:20:56.000 Right.

02:20:56.000 And we need to hash this out.

02:20:59.000 When the reality is you're just kind of regurgitating bullshit. 1.00

02:21:04.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:21:07.000 Also, you know how to affect people with your words.

02:21:12.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:21:12.000 You know how to express yourself in a dramatic way and you think you're going to fucking get through this on top. 0.98

02:21:18.000 I'm an actor, motherfucker. 1.00

02:21:19.000 Yeah, motherfucker. 1.00

02:21:20.000 Watch this. 1.00

02:21:23.000 I'm going Shakespeare on you.

02:21:25.000 You know what my favorite movie of yours is?

02:21:26.000 What?

02:21:27.000 No Country for Old Men. 0.96

02:21:28.000 Why? 1.00

02:21:29.000 Because it's so fucked up. 1.00

02:21:30.000 Because it's so fucked up? 1.00

02:21:31.000 It's such a fucked up movie. 1.00

02:21:33.000 Even the end, the end when it ends, you're like, what happened? 0.99

02:21:36.000 That's the end?

02:21:37.000 Yeah.

02:21:37.000 It's like, that guy, what's his name?

02:21:40.000 Javier, what's his name?

02:21:41.000 Bardem. 1.00

02:21:42.000 God damn, that guy was a good psycho. 1.00

02:21:44.000 He was so good. 1.00

02:21:45.000 God damn. 0.99

02:21:46.000 That movie was so, it was just so unusual and intense when And there was no feeling, and people ask this all the time, there was no feeling that it was a special movie. 0.99

02:21:56.000 Really?

02:21:57.000 Yeah.

02:21:57.000 I told you I went back to Marfa, Texas for the first time in 18 years with Stapleton.

02:22:01.000 And the guy running the bank is the first guy that Javier kills in the movie.

02:22:07.000 This is the guy running the bank right now, Chip.

02:22:10.000 Wow.

02:22:10.000 And I talked to Chip.

02:22:11.000 I have a picture of me and Chip.

02:22:13.000 And I talked to Chip and I said, Buck, you were the first guy.

02:22:16.000 Did you think that...

02:22:17.000 And he said, no, that was a friend of a friend who said that they were auditioning people.

02:22:21.000 And the reason I did it is because I figured nobody would ever see it.

02:22:25.000 It seemed like a small...

02:22:27.000 No, that's the proprietor.

02:22:29.000 It's the first guy that Javier killed outside.

02:22:34.000 That was a good scene though.

02:22:36.000 What is that dude like a person, Javier?

02:22:38.000 The best.

02:22:39.000 The sweetest human being.

02:22:41.000 One of my best friends.

02:22:43.000 That's crazy.

02:22:44.000 That's inside of him.

02:22:46.000 Well, that's the thing.

02:22:48.000 That's what makes him an artist.

02:22:49.000 Yes.

02:22:50.000 Because he's one of these guys that literally, he was so depressed during that thing.

02:22:54.000 Really?

02:22:55.000 Oh my god, dude.

02:22:56.000 Because he didn't like doing it?

02:22:57.000 No, he was like, look at my hair. 1.00

02:22:58.000 What the fuck? 0.99

02:23:01.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

02:23:02.000 That depressed him.

02:23:04.000 Look at him.

02:23:05.000 Oh my god. 0.68

02:23:06.000 He played such a good psychopath.

02:23:10.000 He wore SPF 100. He had an umbrella all the time to keep the sun off him.

02:23:16.000 You see how pale he looks?

02:23:18.000 Yeah.

02:23:18.000 But yeah, that's the guy.

02:23:19.000 The guy to the left.

02:23:20.000 That's Chip.

02:23:21.000 Can you stand there for a second, please?

02:23:23.000 So he was really depressed because of his hair?

02:23:25.000 Yeah, and me and Woody would take him out.

02:23:28.000 We would take him out to the Cowgirl, what was it called?

02:23:30.000 Cowgirl Cafe.

02:23:32.000 And we would have drinks with him. 0.99

02:23:35.000 We would make him, because he would stay in his apartment with the drapes drawn and all this kind of shit. 0.95

02:23:39.000 He just didn't want to go out. 0.96

02:23:40.000 He said, I don't like violence.

02:23:42.000 I don't drive.

02:23:43.000 I don't know why they hired me. 0.99

02:23:44.000 Why the fuck did they hire me? 0.98

02:23:46.000 Like, why am I here? 0.99

02:23:47.000 Well, how did he pull that out then?

02:23:48.000 And I'm from Spain.

02:23:50.000 Like, this guy's not from Spain.

02:23:52.000 Right.

02:23:52.000 I remember when we worked, we sat in a trailer, and he said, in that proprietor's scene, he has this great line, he goes, call it.

02:24:00.000 He takes the coin and goes like that, and he says, call it.

02:24:03.000 And the guy says, I don't want to call it.

02:24:04.000 And he says, you have to call it.

02:24:05.000 It's destiny calling for you.

02:24:07.000 And we were in his trailer, and Javier says, how do you say it?

02:24:10.000 And I said, call it.

02:24:11.000 And Javier kept saying, call it.

02:24:13.000 And I said, no, dude, call.

02:24:15.000 Can you hear it?

02:24:16.000 I'll put the half on there.

02:24:22.000 Sir?

02:24:23.000 The most you ever lost in a coin toss.

02:24:28.000 I don't know.

02:24:29.000 I couldn't say.

02:24:33.000 Call it.

02:24:34.000 Call it?

02:24:35.000 Yes.

02:24:36.000 For what?

02:24:37.000 Just call it.

02:24:41.000 Well, we need to know what we're calling it for here.

02:24:45.000 You need to call it.

02:24:46.000 I can't call it for you.

02:24:48.000 It wouldn't be fair.

02:24:50.000 I didn't put nothing up.

02:24:52.000 Yes, you did.

02:24:53.000 You've been putting it up your whole life.

02:24:55.000 You just didn't know it.

02:24:57.000 You know what date is on this coin?

02:25:00.000 No.

02:25:01.000 1958. It's been traveling 22 years to get here.

02:25:05.000 And now it's here.

02:25:07.000 And it's either heads or tails.

02:25:10.000 And you have to say, call it.

02:25:12.000 Look, I need to know what I stand to win.

02:25:15.000 Everything.

02:25:17.000 How's that?

02:25:18.000 You stand to win everything, call it.

02:25:24.000 All right.

02:25:27.000 Heads, then.

02:25:33.000 Well done.

02:25:36.000 Don't put it in your pocket, sir.

02:25:38.000 Don't put it in your pocket.

02:25:39.000 It's your lucky quarter.

02:25:42.000 Where do you want me to put it?

02:25:43.000 Anywhere, not in your pocket.

02:25:46.000 Well, it'll get mixed in with the others and become just a kind.

02:25:53.000 Which it is.

02:26:00.000 I mean, if you look at that from a different perspective, you say that scene could have been the worst scene ever.

02:26:08.000 It's because of the simplicity of the scene.

02:26:12.000 Plus the consequences.

02:26:14.000 It's the pause.

02:26:15.000 Loom in the air.

02:26:16.000 It just hangs.

02:26:17.000 And you know that this guy has some sort of weird morals.

02:26:21.000 It's so good.

02:26:22.000 Yeah, he's got some code that he lives by.

02:26:25.000 And he's about to impose this code on this guy.

02:26:27.000 And he has no problem putting that bolt through his brain.

02:26:31.000 No problem. 0.85

02:26:31.000 And the guy knows it. 0.85

02:26:32.000 And he doesn't even know why he knows it.

02:26:35.000 It's just something.

02:26:36.000 Right, he just knows it.

02:26:38.000 Yeah.

02:26:38.000 And you sit there and you just kind of...

02:26:40.000 It's a great fucking scene. 1.00

02:26:40.000 It's a great scene, man. 1.00

02:26:42.000 Yeah.

02:26:42.000 How did you not know that movie was great while you were doing it?

02:26:45.000 Because it was so...

02:26:46.000 We were just... 0.99

02:26:47.000 The Coen brothers are fucking amazing. 0.99

02:26:49.000 They're amazing, but you were just having... 0.98

02:26:50.000 They had done two movies that were sort of bigger than what they normally do.

02:26:54.000 One was with Clooney and one was with Tom Hanks and it didn't work.

02:26:57.000 Old Brother Horat Thou? 0.99

02:26:58.000 No, that fucking Old Brother Horat Thou. 1.00

02:27:00.000 I love that movie. 0.99

02:27:01.000 It was amazing.

02:27:01.000 Yeah.

02:27:01.000 It was amazing.

02:27:02.000 What was the other one?

02:27:03.000 Was Lady Killers and what was the one with Clooney?

02:27:07.000 I've never heard of that.

02:27:08.000 Well, there you go.

02:27:09.000 Yeah.

02:27:11.000 But, yeah, so I think that they just went back to this simple, like, Burn After Reading was after No Country, which was also really good.

02:27:21.000 Super good.

02:27:22.000 But, yeah, they just kind of went back to this very kind of feral, you know, base place and just said, let's just tell this simple story and let's let it happen.

02:27:32.000 Maybe, I don't know.

02:27:33.000 I don't think they're like this.

02:27:34.000 How did you not know why you were doing it, though?

02:27:36.000 It just didn't have that vibe.

02:27:38.000 It didn't have that vibe.

02:27:39.000 It was so simple.

02:27:40.000 Wild.

02:27:41.000 It was so simple.

02:27:42.000 But then when you saw it though.

02:27:44.000 Dude, I saw it with my kid, which was probably super irresponsible.

02:27:50.000 How old was your kid at the time?

02:27:51.000 He was 16. He was like, eh, that's on the cusp.

02:27:55.000 But I saw it with him in an editing room on a big screen.

02:28:00.000 And we left and we got in the car and we didn't talk for 15 minutes.

02:28:05.000 And that's never happened.

02:28:06.000 Wow.

02:28:07.000 Like literally not one word.

02:28:09.000 Wow.

02:28:10.000 And then I said, what do you think? 1.00

02:28:11.000 And he goes, fuck. 1.00

02:28:16.000 Which is a great response. 1.00

02:28:17.000 That's that movie.

02:28:18.000 That is that movie.

02:28:19.000 That movie is fun.

02:28:20.000 You know, you want to tie it together, too, in the end, like a typical Hollywood ending, and Javier and my character go head-to-head at the end, and that doesn't happen, which is how it was written in the book, Cormac.

02:28:31.000 And I got to know Cormac really well.

02:28:33.000 I was with Cormac the night before he died.

02:28:35.000 Oh, no kidding.

02:28:36.000 Wow.

02:28:36.000 Yeah.

02:28:36.000 So, and I asked him.

02:28:38.000 That guy could fucking write. 1.00

02:28:39.000 Fuck, dude. 1.00

02:28:40.000 Some of the greatest writing, American writing ever. 1.00

02:28:45.000 Yeah.

02:28:45.000 In the history of this country.

02:28:48.000 There was something about his writing.

02:28:49.000 It was like, Jesus Christ.

02:28:50.000 That's another one of those guys, artists, where you go, I would ask him about his writing.

02:28:55.000 He didn't want to talk about it, ever. 0.96

02:28:56.000 And then finally got mad at me one day and he was like, I don't fucking know, man. 0.72

02:29:00.000 I just sit down at the typewriter and it comes. 0.92

02:29:02.000 Like, what do you want me to tell you?

02:29:03.000 Wow.

02:29:04.000 He was like, all right, man. 0.99

02:29:06.000 Fucking 87 years old. 0.99

02:29:08.000 Relax. 1.00

02:29:10.000 But he could write.

02:29:11.000 I mean, he had some, he was tapped into, and talk about a guy who just like, you were like the muse and do you have a special place and do you have this thing that, no.

02:29:21.000 Just sits down and writes.

02:29:23.000 The bed that he was on, it was me, his ex-wife, his son, and Cormac that last night.

02:29:30.000 Wow.

02:29:30.000 Always at the edge of his bed was that typewriter that he used for 25, 30 years to write all those novels.

02:29:37.000 And then he had one before that that was exactly the same.

02:29:40.000 But that typewriter was on an old piece of wood at the foot of his bed.

02:29:43.000 Wow.

02:29:44.000 And even at the end, he would just grab that thing and...

02:29:49.000 Get it out.

02:29:50.000 It's cool.

02:29:51.000 Yeah, there's rare humans like that that have that thing.

02:29:55.000 Yeah.

02:29:56.000 They just tap into something.

02:29:57.000 And they tap into it and they just keep going.

02:29:59.000 They get on that path and they just keep going.

02:30:01.000 It just keeps getting better.

02:30:03.000 They just get better at it.

02:30:04.000 We've talked about a series of very special people.

02:30:10.000 You know, what's the difference of what makes somebody that special, that iconic?

02:30:17.000 Are they crazy?

02:30:19.000 They're definitely different. 0.94

02:30:21.000 They're different.

02:30:22.000 Yeah, I mean, it's a resistance to the norm.

02:30:24.000 It's the acceptance of reality.

02:30:27.000 It's a poetic understanding of our place in the universe.

02:30:31.000 There's so many different things that are all sort of coalescing into this expression.

02:30:35.000 But they see through a different lens, though.

02:30:38.000 They're just made up of a different cellular makeup.

02:30:40.000 That's probably why he didn't want to talk about it. 0.69

02:30:42.000 He didn't want to fuck it up.

02:30:44.000 He didn't want to fuck it up.

02:30:45.000 He didn't want to mitigate it. 0.57

02:30:46.000 He didn't want to lessen it.

02:30:48.000 He didn't want to...

02:30:49.000 What's the word?

02:30:50.000 Make it pedestrian.

02:30:52.000 Yes.

02:30:53.000 You know what I mean?

02:30:54.000 Yes.

02:30:54.000 He didn't want to try...

02:30:55.000 You know, sometimes magic is just magic.

02:30:58.000 You don't want to figure out how it's happening.

02:31:02.000 Yeah.

02:31:02.000 Just know that you can do it and just keep doing it.

02:31:05.000 Exactly.

02:31:06.000 You know, just be a craftsman.

02:31:08.000 Be a person who's dedicated to this thing.

02:31:11.000 Yeah.

02:31:12.000 You know?

02:31:12.000 Yeah.

02:31:14.000 He has to know.

02:31:15.000 He had to know it was really good.

02:31:16.000 I mean, enough people told him it was really good.

02:31:19.000 Yeah, but if you have even a guy like that who wrote the first up until All the Pretty Horses, none of his books sold.

02:31:25.000 That's pretty crazy.

02:31:27.000 Like 1,000 people bought it.

02:31:28.000 1,500 people bought it.

02:31:30.000 And then it was made into a movie.

02:31:32.000 And then you go back and you're like, all these banned books that we know back in the day.

02:31:37.000 1984, George Orwell.

02:31:40.000 Henry Miller. 1.00

02:31:41.000 All these fucking people. 1.00

02:31:42.000 People are like, ew. 1.00

02:31:45.000 And then Van Gogh.

02:31:47.000 Painting a painting.

02:31:48.000 And all those paintings being outside getting rained on.

02:31:51.000 And now they're selling for $100 million.

02:31:53.000 Yeah, all after he's dead.

02:31:55.000 All after he's dead.

02:31:56.000 Yeah.

02:31:57.000 He never knew.

02:31:58.000 He sold one painting in his lifetime, so he never got to, not even a little bit, experience what...

02:32:08.000 Right.

02:32:09.000 Wow, man.

02:32:10.000 Well, maybe that's why they're so good.

02:32:12.000 Because it's like a purity of expression.

02:32:15.000 Because they had to do it anyway.

02:32:15.000 Whether people paid attention or not, it's who they were.

02:32:19.000 And they gave themselves to it a thousand percent.

02:32:22.000 He's an artist.

02:32:23.000 An artist.

02:32:24.000 A real artist.

02:32:25.000 Yeah.

02:32:26.000 Yeah.

02:32:27.000 Thanks, dude.

02:32:28.000 Thank you.

02:32:28.000 It was a lot of fun.

02:32:29.000 I really appreciate it.

02:32:30.000 I really appreciate it.

02:32:31.000 I'm going to read your book immediately.

02:32:33.000 I would like you to.

02:32:34.000 I will definitely.

02:32:34.000 You're one guy I would really like for you to read.

02:32:37.000 I'll get on it.

02:32:37.000 Okay.

02:32:38.000 All right.

02:32:39.000 Thank you.

02:32:39.000 Thank you very much.

02:32:40.000 Bye, everybody.

02:32:40.000 Bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience - November 21, 2024

Joe Rogan Experience #2232 - Josh Brolin

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