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00:02:04.000And if you're bringing your fucking cell phone, you're basically bringing a tracking device to go find one of the most notorious gangsters alive today.
00:02:13.000I mean, who was the guy with the football team back in the day?
00:04:26.000So that hypocritical thing of like, I don't want to kill anything, but I want you to kill it for me so I can eat it because I really like the way it tastes.
00:04:34.000Well, that's the anthropomorphization of animals that Disney has kind of done a number on people with.
00:04:41.000You know, like Bambi and Yogi Bear and all that kind of shit.
00:04:46.000Teddy bears, and we have a very, you know, living in, when you live in urban areas and cities and people, you know, streets and concrete, people just get a very distorted idea of nature and our relationship with nature.
00:05:00.000And when you're a kid and you're just, these are sweet, cute things, and then all of a sudden you're supposed to go murder one.
00:06:58.000But I know you know who's on the list.
00:07:02.000I'm glad I know I didn't do anything wrong, even though I didn't do anything wrong.
00:07:05.000And I said, but why are you, like a two-fold thing, why are you under the impression that everybody in Hollywood lives under the same roof?
00:07:13.000Like we all live in the same apartment complex.
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00:13:54.000But the thing that I learned, and I'm really curious about.
00:13:58.000Like what we were talking about Hollywood and the perception of them all being in it together is don't you think the rivalries and all that, not entirely, but that all politicians are basically under the same roof.
00:14:11.000They all know what each other's doing and that there's more of an agenda of power to keep the public thinking a certain way.
00:14:52.000Like, if you're someone like Nancy Pelosi, and you're worth hundreds of millions of dollars, and you make $170,000 a year, and there's no fucking explanation.
00:16:22.000Where you go, God, I'm so glad I can go anywhere in the world right now and get a meal, and I don't have to think about how am I going to pay for this?
00:16:46.000That's just taking advantage of this relationship that everyone knows where service people have to be nicer than they really would be normally, like a regular person.
00:16:55.000Hoping for a tip, hoping for one of your many hundreds of thousands or hundreds of millions of dollars.
00:17:56.000When you're in a group of guys who really know what they're doing, and you're in absolute fucking sync, and yes, your arms are up here and your arms are pretty numb at that point, But you're fucking soaring.
00:18:07.000You're an eagle on a fucking jet stream.
00:18:36.000We don't have to get into this book right away, but there was, I wrote, they came to me, it's the only story that I wrote that somebody asked me to write for the book.
00:18:43.000And they were like, you're really into motorcycles, why don't you write a story about motorcycles?
00:18:47.000And I tried, and it was just bad and bad, and everything I wrote was like so forced and bullshit.
00:18:53.000And finally I said, I can't do it, I'm not going to write it.
00:18:55.000And the minute I said I'm not going to do this, I started writing.
00:18:58.000It just kind of started to come out, and it's good.
00:19:06.000Because I write any which way, whether it's on the phone, whether, you know, I remember people saying, like, I write, you know, by hand, I handwrite because it's the way it used to be.
00:19:16.000And I was like, yeah, it also used to be under candlelight, which fucked your eyes up.
00:20:47.000It's something that gets you away from your ego, like with writing, something that gets you away from your ego and into your mind, into your consciousness, into your perceptions of things, your ability to express it.
00:23:48.000Because by the way, honey, if we move to Santa Barbara, which you love so much and you think is so beautiful, our little girls will eventually for sure go to prison.
00:27:43.000But that's a big one because they've done a really good job of demonizing anyone who questions a medicine that might be correlated with a bunch of fucking serious diseases.
00:28:18.000During the Reagan administration, the vaccine companies, pharmaceutical drug companies that are making vaccines, they said, we are unable to make these vaccines if we're liable.
00:28:34.000Because if we're liable, there's too many lawsuits that are going to come our way because vaccines cannot be completely safe and effective just by virtue of the mechanism in which they work.
00:28:45.000You know, you have an irritant, you have this virus, this dead virus, your body sees the aluminum or whatever it is, it reacts to that in a negative way and it finds the dead virus, it develops antibodies just by the way they work.
00:29:00.000When you vaccinate an enormous amount of people, you're going to have a certain amount of people that have a negative reaction.
00:29:05.000If we have lawsuits for every person that has a negative reaction, we're going to go out of business.
00:29:23.000You know, there's also doctors that say it doesn't even really work for babies, but what you're doing is you're conditioning the parents to accept the fact that your child is going to get regularly vaccinated.
00:29:35.000My doctor, fortunately, our pediatrician wanted to put the kids on a different schedule, a slower schedule, and he didn't want them to have any vaccines until they were two.
00:30:59.000They have an obligation to their shareholders.
00:31:02.000Every quarter they want to make more money, and they just keep ramping it up.
00:31:07.000I remember Seinfeld talking about that.
00:31:10.000He was like, I remember back in the 70s in comedy...
00:31:13.000You know, green rooms and all that, and we'd all be fucking with each other, and it never had anything to do with money, because nobody was really making money.
00:31:28.000Are you going to fail, or are you not going to fail?
00:31:30.000But it was this community, again, and I think that things have grown into, not that I wanted to talk about this, or that I even thought about it before, but...
00:31:37.000The money thing is a very interesting thing to me.
00:31:40.000And if you want to take it back to the book, which we can talk about later, it's like the anti-celebrity.
00:32:07.000You get scared it's going to go away because now you realize, oh my God, it's so much better to not have to worry about your bills and it's so much better to have some money to buy things.
00:32:44.000Where, to me, as an Aerosmith, you know, lover as a kid, to see them, you know, go from, like, dream on to, like, the shit they were...
00:32:52.000And I wonder with like drug addiction and all that, I wonder if it's like if the parallel is I went back to heroin at that point because I just couldn't fucking deal.
00:33:38.000It's like anybody who wants to be an actor, just the odds of it happening is just not going to happen.
00:33:44.000And then Phil became this guy, 22 years of sobriety, who had an inkling in the beginning and said, you know what?
00:33:52.000I don't want this to control, like, my thing, so I'm not going to do it.
00:33:56.000I'm going to give everything I am to acting, and I'm going to try to make the best career, theater career, movie career, whatever.
00:34:03.000And then, you know, and again, I have it in the book, where I see him on the street, and I'm crazy, and I've Gotten into a fight with my wife and I'm walking down Columbus Avenue and I have cords on.
00:36:51.000They just want a slack jaw, sit in front of the computer or whatever, the TV, and eat SpaghettiOs, just fucking numb themselves to some mundane bullshit.
00:36:59.000And if you're doing that kind of a thing, you live in hell.
00:37:02.000And a lot of those people that do those things, they wind up doing drugs because they just feel very lost.
00:37:23.000But if you want to do a thing, if like you want to be a great comic or you want to be a great actor and you're doing- You have to have incentive.
00:37:56.000I always say to my friends, my young comic friends that are coming up, your house is just your house.
00:38:01.000I remember when I first got a nice apartment when I moved to North Hollywood in 1994, I got a loft apartment and a pool table in it and a nice stereo, and I was like, this is incredible!
00:42:03.000But I mean, the stuff that he did, it's like, that's also in that Gonzo documentary where it talks about how Hunter gave him acid and mushrooms and he just started fucking writing, drawing, like really crazy shit.
00:42:15.000And like, the thing for, do you remember the thing he did for the Kentucky Derby is decadent and depraved?
00:42:23.000Yeah, that was like the first thing, wasn't it?
00:45:12.000Well, I was just reading Hell's Angels recently actually.
00:45:16.000That's the book that I go back to most.
00:45:18.000Well, that's really him when he was starting, right?
00:45:21.000That was the beginning of the sort of gonzo journalism stuff because he was kind of mixing in fiction with reality.
00:45:28.000That's one of the things that pissed off the Hell's Angels is that he took a lot of liberties with the truth to try to like paint a picture.
00:45:52.000Like, even people talk about Kerouac, and Kerouac was like, you know, he rode on the road, and he was on the road, and it was a Hunter S. Thompson type of thing.
00:46:00.000And you're like, you know, he edited on the road for seven years.
00:46:06.000And nobody knows that, because Kerouac kind of, like, you know, he put forth this thing of, like, first thought, best thought, don't edit, don't...
00:46:42.000She grabbed it for him and was on a train, and then she went to the bathroom and actually left the satchel on the seat, and when she came out of the bathroom, it was gone.
00:47:19.000And Hunter had a lot of those moments where you're like, goddammit, that's good.
00:47:22.000You have so many people who were great young, and I know that there's a danger and a chaos within the vortex within which they lived, but it couldn't survive.
00:47:58.000Whatever it is you're doing, how do you get to that place which most people can't touch?
00:48:03.000Well, you can't neglect your physical health.
00:48:06.000That's the problem is that in this chase for the muse, in this dance you do with the drugs and the alcohol and the wild riding and, you know, I'm sure you've seen Hunter S. Thompson's – there's a thing that a reporter, he hung out with Hunter S. Thompson and detailed what a day in the life of Hunter S. Thompson is.
00:48:27.000There's a band called Beardy Man, and Beardy Man took me and Greg Fitzsimmons reading off Hunter S. Thompson's routine, his daily routine before he writes, and made a song out of it.
00:52:05.000Well, if you're trying to be better at life, you can hold on to it.
00:52:07.000If you're not, if you're just trying to be the man or get all the accolades or win a fucking Grammy or whatever you're trying to do, if that's your real goal, you're going to get lost because it's a shitty goal.
00:52:19.000How old were you when you took a hallucinogen for the first time?
00:52:22.00030. I was 13. Whoa, son, that's a little too early.
00:53:35.000So there's sensory, you say the sensory deprivation tank, but I just saw, you can see it online or whatever, where people literally put a thing, they go into a room and there's silence.
00:53:45.000It's not like a, you know, where they don't talk, a meditation retreat or whatever.
00:53:49.000But they literally go into a room by themselves.
00:54:46.000I appreciate them for technical advice and stuff like that, but this is a meditative aspect of working out by myself that I think is very important.
00:56:25.000Well, it depends on what you're trying to do, right?
00:56:27.000If you're just trying to get, like, conditioned, yeah, give yourself the minimal amount of rest and do it for as long as possible and then take time off afterwards for your body to heal and then get back after it.
00:57:39.000And then you're still getting the same amount of repetitions, but you're not breaking yourself down to the point where you might get hurt or where you're doing it incorrectly or poor form.
00:58:36.000And I had had surgery when I was really young because I had a slipped disc between C5 and C6. And they took out part of my hip and they went in through my neck.
00:58:44.000They moved everything over and they replaced my disc with part of my hip back when they used to do that.
00:58:50.000They used to replace your disc with part of your hip?
00:58:52.000Yeah, they would chisel out a part of your hip.
00:59:33.000Surgeon may take a small piece of bone from the hip called an autograft to use in a neck surgery called interior cervical disectomy and fusion.
00:59:39.000The bone is placed between the space between the vertebrae to stimulate bone healing and promote fusion.
01:03:25.000And I did the opposite, which later, you know, Laird was like, anytime you get hurt, Laird will be like, movement, movement, movement, movement.
01:04:06.000And then it's going to make whatever injured that area in the first place – But that was always promoted by doctors.
01:04:11.000Why would that always be promoted by doctors?
01:04:13.000Again, whether it's politicians or whether it's doctors or whether they're telling you this is – You got to eat from the four food groups, man.
01:05:47.000When I look at Hunter S. Thompson, who I love as a writer, when I look at Dylan Thomas, who I love as a writer, and all these guys that had this kind of amazing life, and I feel, too, paralleled.
01:05:57.000I had an amazing life, except nobody cared about mine.
01:06:02.000I was just Josh that you wanted to stay the fuck away from.
01:06:05.000We're like, that motherfucker's great to spend like an hour with, and then once it hits 10 o'clock and the moon comes out and the clouds part, you don't want to be anywhere around.
01:06:16.000But then you get to that point where you go, when did Hunter S. Thompson, when did these guys just become like some kind of clown mask of themselves?
01:07:40.000Yeah, but there's some people that if you don't take care of yourself and you don't eat well, and there's also a lot of other factors, genetic factors, but you could fall apart pretty quick.
01:07:50.000But if you're a guy like Hunter that's doing coke and drinking every night, You can't do that.
01:08:50.000I mean, what's so great is when you go...
01:08:53.000I mean, this is kind of popping all over the place, but when you go back and you look at all the politicians, whatever side...
01:09:01.000Whatever red, blue they lean toward, it didn't matter because Hunter was there kind of looking for something different and it wasn't all about him.
01:09:09.000When it came down, they all describe Hunter as just like crazy, it was so much fun to hang out with him, but there was never a lack of he was super intelligent and wanted the best for everybody.
01:09:26.000That's one of the more interesting pieces, because you got this guy who's following around the campaign trail, and he knows he's only in it for this one time.
01:09:34.000So he's not like any of these other reporters.
01:10:02.000But when you see Gonzo, when you see, it's funny how much we're talking about Hunter Thompson, but when you see Gonzo, I don't know if it was in Gonzo or another documentary, you see how they're affected by it.
01:10:12.000You see a humanity in them because of him that you don't normally get to see.
01:14:47.000So in Kinison in the beginning, He just wanted to be the best he could be.
01:14:52.000He just wanted to be really fucking good at comedy, and coming from this tent preacher, so he's like this revival tent preacher, and then he gets into stand-up comedy, and he has this charisma and this ability to deliver that's so different than everybody else.
01:15:08.000And he's this short, fat guy, so when he talks about being married and living in hell, he kind of empathizes with it.
01:18:23.000Rodney was one of the most universally loved comedians ever, because he helped other comedians.
01:18:29.000Like, Rodney Dangerfield He did these things, the Rodney Dangerfield specials, like Rodney and Friends.
01:18:35.000And so he introduced the world to Dice Clay, Sam Kinison, Robert Schimmel, Lenny Clark, Dom Irera, like some of the greats.
01:18:46.000And they all came out of his Rodney Dangerfield and Friends specials.
01:18:50.000They were some of the greatest specials ever.
01:18:52.000Because he would have all these guys that he thought were worth seeing, and he would put them out there to the world, and they all became superstars.
01:18:59.000I mean, that's how Sam Kinison launched.
01:22:02.000No, but what you can tell is he gets these like, oh, he turned down $50 million, went crazy, moved to Ohio, or whatever the fucking story is that you want to make up.
01:22:10.000But then he comes back, he makes these $20 million deals with Netflix, but it's never in place of his agenda.
01:22:25.000That's why he left his show, because they were twisting it, distorting it.
01:22:29.000I know why he left his show, because I've been in that position where you go, this is turning into some corporate version of what you like.
01:23:03.000He goes, Dave Chappelle just shows up in this fucking park and he gets a speaker with a microphone and he just starts talking and people just gather around.
01:25:49.000Like, if you go on stage and say, you know, I think Kamala Harris would be the greatest president of all time, a lot of people are like, well, I don't agree.
01:25:54.000But you have to have a way to make it funny so that they laugh.
01:25:58.000The people that disagree with you laugh.
01:26:00.000Like, I don't even think this guy's correct.
01:26:03.000And that's a way you can introduce an idea into someone's head that maybe would never accept that Idea, it was just opinions.
01:26:10.000So if someone's on stage and they're just saying opinions, like you could you could disagree with that opinion, it'll frustrate you and you can't talk, you don't have your...
01:26:17.000But if that guy can take that opinion and that perspective and make it funny, then you're forced to acknowledge that he has a point.
01:27:59.000I mean, that's like the theme of this whole thing.
01:28:01.000Whether you're talking about Hunter, whether you're talking about this, it's just too bad that they self-destruct, whether it be from drugs or fame or whatever.
01:28:58.000And then COVID came, and my wife was kind of interested a little bit, but then when the riots started happening in LA, then she got really scared.
01:33:10.000It did because I have a brother-in-law who was in New Orleans in the epicenter of it and it was the beginning of his residency and all that and he was like, oh bro.
01:33:31.000Yeah, well, you know, African Americans, the reason why they're so dark, the melanin is to protect them from the sun.
01:33:37.000And melanin in white people, the reason why they're so pale is because it acts as like a fucking solar panel for vitamin D. It's a sponge.
01:33:45.000The melanin actually protects them from the sun's damage, but it also makes it more difficult for them to get vitamin D. So my friend did his residency in New York and he said during the winter time we would do blood panels on people and they would have undetectable levels of vitamin D. And this is the reason why people get sick in the winter.
01:34:06.000You're not getting any vitamin D. You're not getting any sun.
01:34:08.000If you're not supplementing, and not just with vitamin D, by the way, you have to mix vitamin D with K2 and magnesium.
01:34:13.000That's the most effective way for your body to process it.
01:34:16.000If you're not doing that, your immune system is shit.
01:34:18.000It's not that you're giving, you're not a living petri dish and you're giving each other the thing because you would do that in the summer too, but the minute you go outside and you get that vitamin D and you get that sun, it's burning it away.
01:34:29.000Yeah, well you're out in the sun, you're healthier.
01:34:42.000And if you don't do something to mitigate that, to counteract that, your metabolic health is going to suffer.
01:34:47.000If you're not fit, if you're not healthy, if you're overweight, if you're not eating well, if you're not taking vitamins, all those things are a huge factor that was completely ignored.
01:34:56.000And the narrative was like, no, you need this novel injection that we haven't tested on anybody.
01:35:02.000We're gonna fucking shoot it in every baby, every kid, every pregnant woman.
01:35:13.000Through education and talking to doctors and also through my experiences, it completely changed my concept and my thought about the medical system.
01:35:20.000When the vaccine was first available, I was more than willing to get it.
01:35:25.000In fact, the UFC allocated like 150 vaccines for other employees, and we were doing these COVID shows where there was no audience.
01:35:33.000So we would do it at the Apex in Vegas, where the UFC has their own small arena, and we'd have the fights there, and you'd go and get tested.
01:35:40.000I'd get tested in Austin, I'd fly to Vegas, and then they'd test me again, and you weren't supposed to go anywhere, you just stayed in your hotel, and then you showed up and did the fights.
01:35:50.000And then they got the allocations for the vaccine.
01:35:52.000And I called up the doctor and I said, hey, I'm here for the fights.
01:36:52.000And, you know, Dr. Drew's talked about this, about he believes that's what happened to a lot of people that got boosted.
01:37:00.000A lot of people like after the booster, like there's something that would happen where your heart would just stop beating for a while and you'd black out and it would start up again.
01:37:52.000Well, it's just a narrative that they put out there that medicine and pharmaceutical drugs are the most important thing and everything else is bullshit.
01:46:52.000Because that's where you were drunk, passed out?
01:46:54.000That's where my mom's boyfriend was drunk and passed out.
01:46:56.000But it has this, to me, I chose it because it has a double entendre that when you're under a truck, you're either fixing it or getting run over by it.
01:49:37.000And she'd put them and I finally found...
01:49:40.000I think she had hidden some in her dresser and there was like a loose board that she took away and put money in there and I found it and bought some drums.
01:49:48.000When my grandmother died we found stuff like that in her house because my grandmother went through the depression.
01:49:55.000They all like stockpiled money so she had coffee cans filled with money that she had like tucked away in like different areas of the house that we found after she died.
01:53:27.000As a boxing fan, that was a real moment.
01:53:29.000But I remember, and I don't know who it was, and I think it was a 90-second fight, and I went to go see this fight, and Tyson was fighting, and this guy was doing this stuff.
01:53:39.000And he had built himself into confidence.
01:53:57.000And I watched that confidence bleed from his face instantaneously.
01:54:02.000He had absolutely lost the fight long before Mike had ever gotten in the ring.
01:54:08.000Yeah, I maintain that in a time where he was champion, like the two or three years where he was at his best, he's the greatest fighter of all time.
01:57:42.000He started doing it when he was 13 years old.
01:57:44.000So what's the parallel between, and this is the last thing I'll interview you about, what's the thing between Tyson and Jon Jones, who I met once and I looked at him when I met him on a plane, and he didn't give me really the time of day, but I was like, I'm a huge fan,
01:57:59.000and I don't say that often to a lot of people.
01:58:38.000Watching that fight, watching Tyson or Jake Paul or whatever, Jake Paul, I wouldn't even want to say Tyson, and then going the next day and watching that fight.
01:59:53.000But that's also what makes you so good, that wildness.
01:59:57.000Jon Jones, when he fought Mauricio Shogun Hua for the light heavyweight title when he was 23 years old, he opens up the fight with a flying knee.
02:00:31.000Conor self-destructed, you know, in a lot of ways because of money.
02:00:38.000You know, I mean, he took that fight with Floyd Mayweather, made a ton of money off that, and then took a long time before he came back to MMA, and it's just not been the same guy since.
02:01:50.000It was nice to be excited about something.
02:01:52.000Steve Bay's past is prime, unfortunately, and he's got a lot of wear on the tires, and it was kind of rough watching him get beat up like that.
02:03:28.000I feel very, very, very, very fortunate that I've been able to witness personally so many of those moments and be there to watch greatness so many times.
02:03:39.000I think it's great that you've continued.
02:04:14.000Boxing in cahoots with Budweiser, which is funny because now Bud White sponsors the UFC. But they all wanted the MMA thing to go away because it was so exciting and crazy.
02:04:58.000Gracie was one of the first judo versus jujitsu, right?
02:05:01.000Well, Hoyce, you know, Hoyce was the first champion of the UFC. And he was the first guy to introduce that, like, technique is more important than everything.
02:05:09.000Technique is more important than being big, more important than being strong.
02:05:31.000And Hoist just opened up the world to Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and it made Brazilian Jiu Jitsu like the most popular martial art on earth.
02:05:38.000Like his appearances in the UFC changed the entire course of martial arts.
02:05:42.000His family, the Gracie family, particularly his father Elio, his brother Hickson, his brother Hoyler, and Horian of course because he created the UFC, they changed martial arts forever.
02:05:54.000That more development and evolution of martial arts has taken place over the last 30 years than over the last 30,000 years.
02:07:37.000I have a grown, she's 28, and I have a 16 and a 14. I feel like you've got to do what compels you, what drives you.
02:07:47.000And part of it as a parent is, like, there's so many stories of parents, particularly with, like, talented athletes, that were too hard on the kid and put too much discipline on the kid, and the kid's burned out.
02:07:59.000I've seen so many cases of that, you know, with these sideline parents.
02:08:04.000That Russian mentality or that Asian mentality.
02:09:04.000And through that constant process, I mean, what they did was even more crazy because Ilio, along with Carlos Gracie, they revolutionized a martial art.
02:09:15.000Jiu-jitsu is brought over by these judokas from Japan, Maeda and Kimura, who came over to Brazil and trained with the Gracies.
02:09:26.000And then they took those techniques and made them applicable to smaller people.
02:10:44.000And when you do a difficult thing, it makes the rest of life a lot easier.
02:10:48.000Because there's no way whatever you're experiencing during the day is going to be as difficult as someone on your back trying to strangle the blood out of your brain.
02:10:56.000Like literally trying to fucking choke the blood out of your head.
02:12:09.000I guess it's the euphoria when you get that hit, that feeling, that feeling of elevation, that feeling of like you just know fear and you feel excited.
02:12:20.000You want to start a business with people and – You got plans.
02:13:45.000No, because I've written probably 90 journals in my life, 90 full journals, and I would go back and I kind of started to put...
02:13:52.000Some of those together and I'd go oh that happened in 88 or that happened in 76 and that you know that kind of stands out as being a Milestone moment or whatever and I start to write those down they were really poorly written and then that started to instigate one thing and another thing and it kind of wrote itself.
02:14:08.000I think it was 450 pages when I finished and then I knocked it down to like 240. What is that process like, the editing process?
02:15:00.000What's wild is when I was in the middle, which I think you would like, when I was in the middle of doing the audible for the book, About halfway through, stumbling through the audible, I go, what the fuck did I do?
02:15:13.000I should burn any evidence that this fucking was ever even thought about.
02:15:18.000And then I spiraled for about a month.
02:18:38.000You don't need to drink to have fun, but there's a thing when you're drinking a lot and having fun, you think this is the reason why I'm having fun.
02:18:44.000This is the reason why I'm having fun.
02:18:49.000Well, you know, you can have a drink or two and really enjoy yourself, or you could think that the only reason why you're enjoying yourself is because you're having a drink or two.
02:18:56.000And that's usually why you have more drinks, because you think, this is the reason people are liking me right now.
02:19:01.000This is the reason people think I'm funny.
02:20:18.000I was at a, what do you call it, a Del Taco, and I tapped the cab in front of me accidentally when I was moving forward, and he got out and created a thing, and somebody filmed it from the back of the cab.
02:21:46.000That movie was so, it was just so unusual and intense when And there was no feeling, and people ask this all the time, there was no feeling that it was a special movie.
02:27:22.000But, yeah, they just kind of went back to this very kind of feral, you know, base place and just said, let's just tell this simple story and let's let it happen.
02:28:20.000You know, you want to tie it together, too, in the end, like a typical Hollywood ending, and Javier and my character go head-to-head at the end, and that doesn't happen, which is how it was written in the book, Cormac.
02:29:11.000I mean, he had some, he was tapped into, and talk about a guy who just like, you were like the muse and do you have a special place and do you have this thing that, no.