The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2233

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00:00:12.000 Those are the three I probably have most iconic...

00:00:15.000 So what are the...

00:00:17.000 We're rolling now, so tell me what's like the most iconic beats you've created.

00:00:21.000 Oh, we're already rolling?

00:00:22.000 We're rolling.

00:00:23.000 Hey, fuck it.

00:00:24.000 How you doing?

00:00:25.000 I mean, look, I've got...

00:00:28.000 Not hundreds, but thousands of songs?

00:00:31.000 Thousands, for sure.

00:00:32.000 Thousands of songs.

00:00:35.000 I'm told most often that most iconic or identifiable one is obviously still Dre.

00:00:45.000 We got...

00:00:46.000 Give me a little of that real quick.

00:01:02.000 Now, if you watch my fingers while I'm playing that, if I was just like a fucking sterile, like just basic motherfucker I'd be playing.

00:01:14.000 But I wanted to do it like...

00:01:20.000 Sloppy.

00:01:21.000 Right.

00:01:21.000 Like that perfect imperfection.

00:01:23.000 Right.

00:01:24.000 Sometimes you want a nice sloppy booty or a nice monkey.

00:01:27.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:01:28.000 You don't want things always like perfect, picture perfect.

00:01:30.000 Right.

00:01:31.000 You like a little grit on your hardwood floor.

00:01:33.000 Yeah.

00:01:34.000 Yeah, no.

00:01:35.000 That's where, you know, that perfect imperfection.

00:01:38.000 How did you get started?

00:01:39.000 Huh?

00:01:40.000 How did you get started making beats?

00:01:42.000 What started you in music?

00:01:44.000 What started me in music?

00:01:45.000 Okay.

00:01:46.000 All the way back?

00:01:48.000 All the way back.

00:01:52.000 Listening to Ozzy Osbourne and Cheap Trick in a mirror with a tennis racket, thinking, wow, I could probably get some girls to like me if I knew how to fucking play this shit.

00:02:02.000 And then my parents had an upright piano in the house, and it was a piece of furniture.

00:02:09.000 And I had a cassette deck.

00:02:11.000 At that time, it was all about cassettes.

00:02:13.000 And I had the little baby cassette thing.

00:02:15.000 I put it on the piano bench and figure out how to play all my favorite songs.

00:02:20.000 Just self-taught?

00:02:21.000 Yeah, and I ended up taking three or four lessons, and the guy was like, you should just teach yourself.

00:02:31.000 Really?

00:02:32.000 Yeah, and my family, we didn't have no money, and my mom, to get to the piano lesson, all that shit was just...

00:02:37.000 I did my thing, and it's at a point where My mom and dad were like, can you go outside and play with the kids?

00:02:45.000 I'm tired of hearing this shit.

00:02:47.000 No, no, no, no, no, no.

00:02:49.000 And then that evolved into...

00:02:52.000 I moved with my father.

00:02:56.000 My parents had divorced.

00:02:57.000 My dad was a court reporter, stenographer.

00:03:00.000 And we moved from...

00:03:01.000 I was born in New York as an infant moved to Florida.

00:03:05.000 But when I was 15, just turning 15, I moved to Philly with my dad.

00:03:11.000 And I was really getting into music.

00:03:15.000 I was experiencing hip-hop now in my head.

00:03:18.000 What year was this?

00:03:20.000 I don't even know what year it was.

00:03:21.000 How old are you now?

00:03:22.000 I'm 50. Okay, seven years different than me, so...

00:03:26.000 Yeah, okay.

00:03:26.000 I'm real horrible with the years, but...

00:03:29.000 Talking early 90s.

00:03:32.000 Yeah.

00:03:33.000 Extremely early.

00:03:33.000 The beginning of the big hip-hop boom out of New York.

00:03:37.000 Yeah, and when I first found a love for hip-hop, it was...

00:03:43.000 This music that they were sampling all these cool Fender Road sounds, like say Tribe Called Quest.

00:03:56.000 That's not one of mine, but it was that, like, relax yourself, girl.

00:04:01.000 That, like, native tongue, the de la soul, all that type of shit was heavy, and, like, I was like, wow, the music is really great in this.

00:04:10.000 It was different than, like, I mean, I loved N.W.A., and I loved, like, but that was, like, hardcore shit, and then, like, this musical guru and jazz and, like, all this shit was coming around.

00:04:21.000 So I got into that And I couldn't really afford a keyboard.

00:04:25.000 I'm living in Philly.

00:04:27.000 My dad was like, I was cutting school and going into the city from the burbs to like, get in the music scene at this young age.

00:04:35.000 And it was like, yo.

00:04:38.000 Go back to school and start that shit or get the fuck out.

00:04:42.000 He's trying to do me a favor with tough love but I decided to get the fuck out at 15 and now I'm like couch hopping at homies and that led to moving into the fucking hood In West Philly with this guy who was an aspiring manager that was a videographer that I met at my dad's court reporting firm.

00:05:05.000 And kind of like halfway against my dad's will, he took me in and we started hitting the pavement, man.

00:05:10.000 And I joined the Roots.

00:05:12.000 They were called the Square Roots at that time.

00:05:14.000 You know, the band on Jimmy Chow, Questlove, etc.

00:05:18.000 And...

00:05:20.000 I didn't have much money, and I bought what they call a Fender Rhodes.

00:05:23.000 This is like a big keyboard, which is, they're very expensive now because it's a vintage.

00:05:27.000 But at that time, I could get that for like 200 bucks.

00:05:31.000 And I got the keyboard, had a couple of broken notes on it and shit, and I just made my sound with that.

00:05:37.000 And it was just like this soulful, this thing, you know what I mean?

00:05:42.000 And I joined the roots, and now I'm a band member.

00:05:50.000 Simultaneously, I'm doing construction in Philly for a friend of mine who has these shell houses that I got to live in one for a while.

00:05:59.000 I got my first place.

00:06:00.000 I'm living in this thing.

00:06:02.000 He lived across the street in kind of a nice one.

00:06:04.000 This is a super horrible neighborhood, but he's got almost the whole block.

00:06:09.000 There's a construction site on the first floor.

00:06:11.000 I had to walk up, and this was a semi-finished one.

00:06:16.000 No electricity, but he ran a cord across the street and a power strip for my electricity.

00:06:22.000 I ran everything on that one power strip.

00:06:24.000 I had a fucking space heater like this because it was freezing cold.

00:06:28.000 I had a keyboard set up so I could...

00:06:32.000 I made my existence.

00:06:34.000 If I had never made it, I was like, man, I'll just play at bar mitzvahs and weddings and fucking call it a day.

00:06:39.000 But I'd rather do that than be a court reporter or some other shit.

00:06:44.000 And school wasn't for me.

00:06:47.000 Couldn't focus on anything but the music.

00:06:49.000 It always bums me out that there's so many people out there like that, that do have, they have intelligence and ability, but the system just wants them to plug into normal jobs.

00:07:02.000 You don't realize like, hey, there's other jobs out there.

00:07:04.000 There's other things you can do.

00:07:06.000 It's not conventional.

00:07:07.000 The path's not clear.

00:07:09.000 You know, you want to get into music?

00:07:10.000 You really fucking love music?

00:07:13.000 Get into music!

00:07:14.000 Yeah.

00:07:15.000 Get into music!

00:07:16.000 And nobody tells you that, man.

00:07:17.000 Nobody tells you.

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00:09:10.000 Find your niche within music.

00:09:12.000 Maybe you can do the actual music, but you can become a promoter or you can become...

00:09:17.000 There's so many different fields within music that you can do if you're an expert.

00:09:21.000 If you have no talent and you have no business being in music, at least be honest with yourself because we know if we're good or not.

00:09:26.000 Right.

00:09:28.000 But what makes talent?

00:09:30.000 Passion.

00:09:31.000 It's no talent.

00:09:32.000 If you're a passionate person and you love something so much, you're going to end up being good at it, I think.

00:09:38.000 If you're doing it to get money or something else, it's questionable.

00:09:43.000 You just want to be cool because you like music.

00:09:45.000 But if you're so passionate about this shit that you're showing results and you're growing and you're seeing that...

00:09:51.000 When you watch people's reactions, I still do to this day.

00:09:55.000 I'm in the studio.

00:09:56.000 I'm playing some shit.

00:09:57.000 Like, I have this, like, weird thing where I start receiving satellite, and I'm, like, playing, and I don't even know what to do.

00:10:02.000 Receiving satellite.

00:10:03.000 So, like, the muse.

00:10:04.000 I'm not even there anymore.

00:10:05.000 I'm just, like, all of a sudden, I'm just doing this thing.

00:10:08.000 I've been doing it for 30 years, and I watch The Room.

00:10:10.000 I'm like, oh, they like this one.

00:10:12.000 Okay, let's use this.

00:10:14.000 You know what I mean?

00:10:14.000 That's how I know if I'm moving people.

00:10:18.000 Receiving satellite is a great way to put it.

00:10:20.000 I always say that sometimes I write things, I'm like, I didn't really write that.

00:10:25.000 You blacked out and it got written.

00:10:27.000 Yeah, that came from somewhere else.

00:10:28.000 I didn't have any effort involved in this.

00:10:30.000 It just came to me, like a gift from the gods.

00:10:33.000 That's why they always call it the muse, you know, because the people that were, you know, Shakespeare and those people, they really did kind of feel like it was being given to them.

00:10:42.000 Yeah.

00:10:42.000 We all do though, right?

00:10:44.000 But doesn't everybody kind of say that when they're being honest?

00:10:46.000 Like anybody who writes anything, whether they write literature, whether they write music, comedy, whatever.

00:10:51.000 It flows through you.

00:10:52.000 Yes.

00:10:53.000 If you have to work for it, it's contrived, sort of, I feel like somewhat.

00:10:57.000 Like if something doesn't come...

00:10:59.000 I push myself, yes, because there's technical stuff that you have to, but that initial light bulb that goes off and just...

00:11:06.000 You're just in that zone.

00:11:08.000 Yeah, downloading satellite.

00:11:10.000 And the thing about it is it's so hard to control.

00:11:17.000 It comes, it goes, it's there, it's not...

00:11:20.000 What's that water you're drinking?

00:11:21.000 What is this crazy?

00:11:22.000 You know what?

00:11:23.000 It's bag water.

00:11:24.000 I'm going to tell you what it is.

00:11:26.000 I get, like...

00:11:28.000 Inflammation.

00:11:29.000 When I'm playing piano or whatever, I sometimes get a little bit like...

00:11:32.000 Okay.

00:11:32.000 And this is like hydrogen water.

00:11:34.000 Okay.

00:11:34.000 And I fuck with it.

00:11:35.000 A friend of mine, my boy Adam, he's like, listen, I think you should try my water.

00:11:40.000 He's invested in all kinds of things, and he's just...

00:11:42.000 He's been one of my best friends my whole life.

00:11:44.000 He's got Adam Linder.

00:11:45.000 He's a fucking cool guy.

00:11:47.000 I've been down and out, and a fucking dude would take me in.

00:11:49.000 You know, we're both Meshuggins.

00:11:51.000 But, you know, he has this fucking water, and...

00:11:55.000 Him and, randomly enough, my boy who's a big songwriter, Pooh Bear, they're giving a go at this water thing.

00:12:01.000 But I like it.

00:12:02.000 It's H-factor water, dude.

00:12:04.000 Yeah, I've heard of that stuff.

00:12:06.000 It's really good.

00:12:07.000 So when you say you're getting inflammation in your hands, like carpal tunnel type?

00:12:11.000 Yeah, sometimes if it's cold and my hands are freezing or something, I can't really go in.

00:12:18.000 Do you ever use CBD? Huh?

00:12:20.000 Do you ever use CBD or turmeric?

00:12:22.000 Yeah, I do that type of stuff.

00:12:24.000 I do like the little shots.

00:12:26.000 Yeah, you should do that all the time.

00:12:27.000 Raw ginger.

00:12:29.000 There's a place in LA that I like.

00:12:32.000 I don't have it in Miami.

00:12:34.000 I'm real tight with...

00:12:36.000 I don't know if you know Rick Solomon.

00:12:37.000 He owns this thing Sun Life.

00:12:39.000 They have great shit there.

00:12:42.000 I do that.

00:12:43.000 Oh, the Sun Life place in California.

00:12:46.000 Yeah.

00:12:46.000 Oh, I do.

00:12:48.000 Rick has been an inspiration to me.

00:12:53.000 Everybody knows my story.

00:12:55.000 I look up to him because he was able to walk away from drugs very easily and stay there.

00:13:01.000 For me, I have a hard time with it.

00:13:04.000 I still struggle.

00:13:07.000 It's not drugs.

00:13:11.000 To put it bluntly, it's pussy and drugs together.

00:13:15.000 It's a kill of a combination and drug sex and all that shit.

00:13:21.000 You get caught up in that wave and it starts glamorously in your career of doing drugs and it just turns into something real ugly.

00:13:32.000 He walked away from me for a while.

00:13:34.000 He was like, bro, you're fucking up again.

00:13:36.000 Yeah.

00:13:37.000 I'm in a great place now, man.

00:13:39.000 I got good people around me.

00:13:41.000 And...

00:13:43.000 I smoke and, you know, I make my music and I chill these days, man.

00:13:48.000 That's great.

00:13:49.000 I've graduated.

00:13:50.000 I was trying to tell you about your hands.

00:13:52.000 Like, if you're getting inflammation and you're taking hydrogen water, like hydrogen water would be great, but if you really want to cut it down, what we were talking about earlier is the way to cut it down.

00:14:01.000 Stop eating things that give you inflammation.

00:14:03.000 That's the big one.

00:14:04.000 That'll change everything.

00:14:05.000 Yeah.

00:14:06.000 Cut out all the sugar in the bread and you'll be amazed at how well you feel.

00:14:09.000 Bread.

00:14:10.000 I'm not really a sugar guy.

00:14:12.000 Some people eat sweets and shit.

00:14:14.000 Me, I go...

00:14:16.000 Lately, because I'm trying to lose a lot of weight, I've been eating fruit.

00:14:21.000 Constantly eating fruit.

00:14:22.000 Fruit's great.

00:14:23.000 And I feel so much better.

00:14:25.000 I drink water until I'm blue in the face and I'm not hydrated.

00:14:29.000 I eat fruits and shit like that.

00:14:31.000 I feel like it just sticks to your organs.

00:14:34.000 A lot of watermelon.

00:14:37.000 Watermelon's fantastic.

00:14:38.000 I love watermelon and apples.

00:14:40.000 Do you take any sort of electrolytes?

00:14:44.000 I do.

00:14:46.000 Regularly?

00:14:51.000 Gatorade.

00:14:51.000 I'm just trying to help you with your hands.

00:14:52.000 Yeah, Gatorade, but there's this other stuff.

00:14:54.000 I don't even know what it's called, but it's like a powder.

00:14:56.000 It's supposed to be less fattening, and you just put it in the water, and it's like an accelerator of dehydration.

00:15:02.000 Like liquid IV or something like that?

00:15:04.000 Something, yeah.

00:15:04.000 I don't even know.

00:15:05.000 There's a bunch of those that are really good.

00:15:07.000 Yeah, that's...

00:15:08.000 You know, you could take care of that.

00:15:10.000 Like, obviously your fingers are still working, but if you're starting to feel, like, real discomfort, there's some things you could do.

00:15:16.000 CBD's a big one.

00:15:17.000 CBD helps so much.

00:15:18.000 My friend Dave Foley, he had arthritis to the point where his hands were, like, totally crooked.

00:15:23.000 Couldn't straighten his hands out.

00:15:24.000 He started taking CBD and it all went away.

00:15:27.000 That's crazy.

00:15:27.000 Yeah.

00:15:28.000 The benefits of...

00:15:29.000 And it's incredible.

00:15:30.000 It really is incredible.

00:15:31.000 The diet is a big one, too.

00:15:33.000 I think I'm getting my fair share of CBD and TFC. Not from the flour, but I like edibles, but not like dissolute.

00:15:44.000 I know what you're saying.

00:15:44.000 I'm into rosin edibles.

00:15:48.000 The difference is the CBD, you can isolate just the CBD, and they can make it in much higher concentrates.

00:15:54.000 Oh, really?

00:15:55.000 Yeah, like, I love this shit.

00:15:56.000 When I have muscle soreness, there's a CBD. No affiliation.

00:16:00.000 CBDMD has this product called Freeze.

00:16:03.000 It's 3,000 milligrams CBD. It's a roll-on.

00:16:06.000 It's a roll-on.

00:16:07.000 So if you have, like, sore muscles...

00:16:09.000 Yeah.

00:16:09.000 It's fucking great.

00:16:11.000 I love it.

00:16:11.000 But they have great...

00:16:13.000 Gummies and oils and CBD is fantastic.

00:16:16.000 Anytime you can eliminate inflammation in your life, that's good.

00:16:20.000 Yeah.

00:16:20.000 Whether it's your personal life or your body, just eliminate all the inflammation.

00:16:24.000 So many people tell me this wave of like sea moss.

00:16:27.000 Sea moss?

00:16:28.000 Yeah, like people like the benefits of...

00:16:30.000 Are you hearing about sea moss, Jimmy?

00:16:32.000 I've heard of it.

00:16:32.000 Are you hearing about people eating it?

00:16:36.000 I don't know.

00:16:37.000 Yeah.

00:16:38.000 I don't know.

00:16:39.000 I haven't tried it, but...

00:16:40.000 I'm a big believer in ribeyes.

00:16:42.000 Yeah, ribeyes.

00:16:43.000 Medium rare.

00:16:43.000 I love that.

00:16:44.000 Little salt.

00:16:45.000 Butterfly with a char.

00:16:47.000 Yeah, I'm not really into your sea moss.

00:16:51.000 No, I've never tried the shit, but everybody's like, you should do sea moss.

00:16:55.000 Most of that shit is starvation food.

00:16:57.000 Really?

00:16:59.000 Yeah, people eat it when they couldn't find fish.

00:17:01.000 If you could find fish, you ate a fucking fish.

00:17:03.000 Why would you eat that stupid moss?

00:17:06.000 I think that's what most vegetables are.

00:17:09.000 Most vegetables are starvation food.

00:17:11.000 I fuck with salads.

00:17:14.000 I actually enjoy salads, but I'm going to put dressing on it and shit and destroy it.

00:17:20.000 Right.

00:17:20.000 Some ranch.

00:17:21.000 A little Caesar vibe.

00:17:23.000 I just like oil and vinegar.

00:17:24.000 Olive oil and vinegar is all I like on salads.

00:17:26.000 But I like salads.

00:17:27.000 I eat salads.

00:17:29.000 I'm not like religious about it, but I just I know that when I'm only eating like meat and steak and eggs and I feel way better It's just like everything feels like it's in tune.

00:17:39.000 My brain works better.

00:17:40.000 My body feels more relaxed It's it's a tangible thing when I eat a lot of bullshit.

00:17:46.000 I feel it dude.

00:17:47.000 I met these Coming from like being a fuck in the middle of nowhere kid like not a rich kid not part of like a Some socialite type shit.

00:17:55.000 I came up to, like, a certain level of people that was, like, pretty insane.

00:17:59.000 Like, Russian multi-billionaires.

00:18:02.000 What is that, like, hanging around with those cats?

00:18:04.000 That's fucking bizarre.

00:18:05.000 That must be weird, because they'll get you killed.

00:18:09.000 Right?

00:18:10.000 It could happen, yeah.

00:18:11.000 But, like, I'm hanging out with this one guy who's probably one of the richest men in the world.

00:18:16.000 And we're eating borscht.

00:18:17.000 He's like, schooltee!

00:18:19.000 You should eat soup every day.

00:18:21.000 It's good.

00:18:22.000 I know what I'm telling you.

00:18:23.000 I'm like, okay.

00:18:24.000 I eat a lot of soup.

00:18:26.000 Soup's good.

00:18:27.000 Soup is basically vegetable juice.

00:18:29.000 You're saying like the hot broth and shit like that is just super good for you to live longer.

00:18:34.000 Bro, I used to live in Los Angeles.

00:18:36.000 I used to go to Jerry's Famous Deli and get their chicken noodle soup.

00:18:40.000 They had the best.

00:18:41.000 Oh my God, their chicken noodle soup.

00:18:44.000 No chives though, I tell them.

00:18:45.000 Do they put chives in it normally?

00:18:47.000 Jerry's does, yeah.

00:18:48.000 But I like...

00:18:49.000 No, no, chives kind of?

00:18:50.000 I like dill.

00:18:51.000 Dill?

00:18:52.000 Dill, yeah.

00:18:53.000 Like, I got, like...

00:18:55.000 A Russian nanny and different things like that that work for me.

00:18:58.000 And they put that fresh dill in, oh my god, and that just changes everything.

00:19:02.000 That's like mama never made.

00:19:04.000 If you think about how cold Russia is, of course they make a good soup.

00:19:08.000 Anywhere that's cold is gonna make a good soup.

00:19:10.000 You don't hear like soup from Texas.

00:19:13.000 No.

00:19:14.000 Right?

00:19:14.000 You hear chili.

00:19:16.000 You don't hear soup.

00:19:17.000 You don't hear about their soup.

00:19:18.000 Queso.

00:19:19.000 Queso?

00:19:19.000 That's kind of soup.

00:19:21.000 I had the butternut squash soup where you put me at last night.

00:19:24.000 It's Four Seasons.

00:19:26.000 That's just not my kind of soup.

00:19:27.000 It was good, but it's just not my favorite.

00:19:29.000 It's basically vegetable juice.

00:19:31.000 You're drinking hot vegetable juice, but of course it's good for you.

00:19:34.000 Table cream, all of it.

00:19:35.000 Right.

00:19:36.000 Oh, that kind of stuff where they make the white swirls on the top like it's a latte?

00:19:40.000 Yeah.

00:19:40.000 Fancy.

00:19:41.000 Yeah.

00:19:42.000 Very fancy, Scott.

00:19:47.000 So yeah, music, we started talking about how My music career evolved.

00:19:53.000 Pop time, Mike.

00:19:54.000 So earlier we were talking about where did it start, and I went all the way back.

00:19:59.000 So now I'm hanging with this guy Richard, the videographer I was saying that I met in my dad's office.

00:20:07.000 He took me in, started making an attempt to professionalize myself as a musician, joined the roots.

00:20:17.000 We got a record deal.

00:20:22.000 I loved it.

00:20:24.000 I was now a very lucky guy to be involved in something cool, but I was bringing something real major to the table within the group.

00:20:31.000 And I just felt like after a while I wasn't appreciated.

00:20:36.000 And I was just going to be remembered as the guy who played Keys for the Roots.

00:20:39.000 And I wanted more than that.

00:20:41.000 I left the group for a multitude of reasons.

00:20:45.000 Some I usually don't talk about, but I, you know, boo-hoo, I felt some reverse racism.

00:20:52.000 I know that people have dealt with shit, like fucked up shit, but I was just kind of mortified once I'm on a stage and I just remember I'm performing with The Roots in New York, this event called The Black Lily,

00:21:08.000 and playing the keyboards, backing everybody up, and this and that, and somebody was rapping.

00:21:14.000 They pointed at me, the white devil, something, and I was just like, what the fuck is happening here?

00:21:20.000 Were they serious?

00:21:21.000 Or were they joking around?

00:21:23.000 No, no, it was fucked up shit, bro.

00:21:25.000 It really hurt me, because I'm like, I don't see color.

00:21:27.000 I don't see any of that shit.

00:21:29.000 I'm the most...

00:21:30.000 Like just coolest motherfucker in that aspect like it to me racism bothers me, but it was like You know my family now we're not representing for me and that that's what that happened and just Combined so someone on stage said that yes one of the rappers I'm not gonna say names,

00:21:46.000 but just shit was just like how is this happening right now and you know I Felt like all the credit For all the like big melodies and stuff that I was creating for the group was just being swept under the rug and like I said I got to leave this group and I'm dating this girl at the time who is like Urging me not to she's saying you're gonna be the Pete best of the roots.

00:22:13.000 You know who Pete best is?

00:22:15.000 Yeah, the Beatle.

00:22:16.000 He left the Beatles.

00:22:17.000 Yeah, so she was a you're gonna be a Pete best of the roots.

00:22:19.000 I was like, that's cool.

00:22:21.000 She actually dumped me and I continued on my Journey, attempting to be a music producer and not join bands.

00:22:33.000 And I met this guy through the whole process of being in The Roots.

00:22:38.000 His name was Derek Jackson.

00:22:40.000 And he and I, he embraced me into, you know, you're so talented.

00:22:43.000 Like, let's give it a go.

00:22:45.000 And we would take these trips from Philly to New York and just go to every A&R, every fucking label, trying people that contacts that this guy Derek had in New York.

00:22:56.000 He was from New York.

00:22:59.000 He would just use them.

00:23:01.000 The first week we were doing that, we got a couple of bites.

00:23:05.000 My first client was Busta Rhymes.

00:23:09.000 I'll never forget it.

00:23:10.000 Busta believes me.

00:23:11.000 He's like, alright.

00:23:12.000 I went to the studio.

00:23:14.000 We made a record.

00:23:15.000 One shot, one kill, baby.

00:23:17.000 That's how it is.

00:23:17.000 You get one shot.

00:23:20.000 We made Blot Out, which was on his album, Anarchy.

00:23:25.000 And We also got that same week, maybe three days later, Capone and Noriega.

00:23:33.000 And CNN, the album.

00:23:35.000 Norie's got his whole world in podcasts now.

00:23:40.000 So he's proud of that guy.

00:23:42.000 Great guy.

00:23:43.000 But they believed in me.

00:23:44.000 And the day I went in, I'll never forget it.

00:23:48.000 Capone, whose partner, was coming home from jail that day.

00:23:52.000 And the theme of the day was, I guess he got him some girls on the way to the studio to come work, and now he's like...

00:23:59.000 All day he kept saying, it's nothing!

00:24:01.000 It's nothing to come home from jail with these girls in your limousine and come work with me and Scotty and this and that.

00:24:07.000 It was just an amazing day.

00:24:09.000 We made music.

00:24:10.000 We made like three.

00:24:11.000 And then I was off to the races, man.

00:24:13.000 I was making music.

00:24:14.000 Wow.

00:24:15.000 And a whole bunch of cool stuff in between there.

00:24:18.000 And then, still ain't make no money, but I'm now like...

00:24:22.000 Doing shit.

00:24:24.000 Is that you?

00:24:25.000 Yeah, let me shut this off.

00:24:26.000 Isn't it funny that fear of, like, the Pete Best type thing that's such a real thing?

00:24:33.000 In the beginning you don't have any idea what your future's gonna be.

00:24:36.000 Like, did I? And I would see shit on them.

00:24:37.000 Yeah.

00:24:38.000 Like, they're appearing here or they're doing this and that.

00:24:40.000 It'd be like, fuck, but what did I do?

00:24:43.000 Right.

00:24:43.000 I held in there.

00:24:44.000 And then...

00:24:47.000 A lot of people say this, but I'm a very harmonious person.

00:24:51.000 I always do good for everybody.

00:24:55.000 You can accuse me of being a lot of things, but being an asshole, I'm not.

00:25:00.000 When I was in my first trip to LA, I went to LA to perform it.

00:25:07.000 I did this open mic at the Martini Lounge.

00:25:11.000 It was my first time ever going to California.

00:25:13.000 It was a Roots event.

00:25:15.000 I wasn't in the group anymore, but whatever I had to do, I was going to make a few hundred bucks to go play background on this thing.

00:25:23.000 It wasn't the Roots.

00:25:24.000 It was an open mic with random people coming.

00:25:29.000 I did this thing.

00:25:31.000 And who do I see come up to me but a chick I knew from Philly.

00:25:35.000 And she was like, storage, what up?

00:25:38.000 She's like, you're not going to believe this, but I signed a record deal with Dr. Dre in Aftermath.

00:25:44.000 And I was like, wow, that's crazy.

00:25:47.000 So she's like, I'm going to hook you up with Trey.

00:25:49.000 You're always fucking good to me in Philly and you never tried to smash.

00:25:53.000 You let me go in the studio and we did cool stuff together.

00:25:56.000 And it was a platonic thing.

00:25:58.000 She was my homegirl.

00:26:00.000 And sure enough, I go and I meet up with Trey.

00:26:04.000 I'm waiting for him to come out.

00:26:06.000 I'm in the lobby, nervous as hell.

00:26:08.000 I don't have anything to play for him.

00:26:10.000 I have my fingers.

00:26:11.000 That's about it.

00:26:13.000 And I go into a room and he sits me down.

00:26:19.000 He's like, I hear you good at them keys.

00:26:21.000 I start playing for him and this and that.

00:26:23.000 He's real quiet and just like listening.

00:26:25.000 I'm like, nothing's coming from this.

00:26:29.000 I'm going to go home sad today.

00:26:32.000 He leaves the room.

00:26:34.000 I'm still sitting in there.

00:26:35.000 I'm like, I don't know if I should be just leaving or I'm supposed to stay in here.

00:26:39.000 And this dude, Larry Chapman, one of his head dudes comes back in and says, Dre wants you to stay here for a long time.

00:26:48.000 He's going to get you a hotel and here's some money.

00:26:50.000 It was like...

00:26:52.000 Really?

00:26:53.000 Okay.

00:26:53.000 Dre wants you to stay here for a long time.

00:26:56.000 Yeah, he was just like, let me know.

00:26:57.000 Dre wants you here, man.

00:26:59.000 Like, you can stay?

00:27:00.000 Because I was going to get on a plane back to Philly that night.

00:27:03.000 And I remember I went back to the hotel.

00:27:07.000 I got all my shit, and now I'm being switched to like a fancy hotel.

00:27:10.000 And I'm like chilling, and I got some money.

00:27:13.000 I went and rented a fucking 5 Series BMW. And I was like, wow, I am in L.A. for the first time.

00:27:20.000 I have money.

00:27:21.000 I just met Dre.

00:27:22.000 I'm about to make a fucking album with Dr. Dre.

00:27:24.000 The next day I go to the studio.

00:27:27.000 I meet up with Dre.

00:27:29.000 He's telling me all kinds of cool shit, man.

00:27:31.000 He accepted me into his world.

00:27:33.000 It was surreal, bro.

00:27:37.000 It's a movie scene.

00:27:37.000 It was surreal.

00:27:39.000 Dre wants you to stay for a long time.

00:27:42.000 I got this rapper that is really talented.

00:27:46.000 I believe in him.

00:27:48.000 He's a white boy and this and that.

00:27:50.000 In walks Eminem.

00:27:52.000 Wow.

00:27:52.000 And he let me finish up some record that he was doing with him.

00:27:56.000 It was one of M's first releases at Just the Two of Us.

00:28:00.000 You know what I'm talking about?

00:28:01.000 And I played a little keys on that.

00:28:03.000 The next day, me and Dre went in to work on his project, and we made Big Egos, which made it to...

00:28:10.000 That's like that one shot, one kill thing.

00:28:12.000 That first day worked out.

00:28:14.000 It led to me being...

00:28:17.000 Along Dre's, you know, side and in his camp for a very long time.

00:28:22.000 But there's just a handful of dudes like you out there in the world that I call like a musical magician.

00:28:28.000 You know, there's people that people call upon.

00:28:31.000 You know, like, you gotta get storch.

00:28:34.000 I'm a producer producer.

00:28:35.000 Right, but what is that?

00:28:37.000 Like, what separates you from other musicians that makes you this savant?

00:28:43.000 Do you think about it or would that take away the magic?

00:28:45.000 Bro, I can barely tie my shoelaces.

00:28:47.000 Right, but you know how to bang out some beats.

00:28:49.000 I got this shit.

00:28:50.000 I was telling you about that Russian oligarch.

00:28:53.000 He looked at me one time and he says, Scotty, you're not playing this keyboard.

00:28:59.000 You're fucking the piano.

00:29:00.000 I don't know what you're doing.

00:29:03.000 I'm not an educated guy, but I have rhythm.

00:29:06.000 Like, on some different shit, like Bob James, like, your boys, the Black Keys.

00:29:15.000 Love those guys.

00:29:17.000 Look, not to jump around too much, but working with them is the first time, like, I feel like I did anything good.

00:29:24.000 I can't explain it.

00:29:25.000 I have all these hits, like, The Candy Shop, this, that, Beyonce, every single thing.

00:29:31.000 I feel like the first time I really...

00:29:34.000 Got into it on some real touch-the-culture real shit.

00:29:39.000 Not what's...

00:29:41.000 People like trap music and dumb shit like that.

00:29:43.000 Yeah.

00:29:44.000 This is like the real as it gets.

00:29:46.000 And I got to use these vintage keyboards.

00:29:48.000 I'm playing shit with a wah-wah pedal on a keyboard and going crazy.

00:29:53.000 If you look at my Instagram sometime, you'll see some of the shit that I'm doing.

00:29:57.000 I do.

00:29:58.000 I watch it all the time.

00:29:59.000 Their studio is insane, man.

00:30:01.000 And those toys, I was really tapping in.

00:30:04.000 Really?

00:30:05.000 Yeah, it was so much fun.

00:30:07.000 I just love those two guys.

00:30:10.000 And they're so fucking talented, man.

00:30:11.000 We saw them out here at Stubbs.

00:30:14.000 Fuck, it was so fun, man.

00:30:16.000 Yeah, man.

00:30:16.000 Something about Nashville is a great place to make music, man.

00:30:20.000 Well, think about how much great music has come out of there, and then the memory of that shit has burned into the city.

00:30:25.000 I believe in that.

00:30:27.000 I believe that places have memory.

00:30:29.000 You know, I really do.

00:30:30.000 Yeah, you feel it.

00:30:31.000 I think there's an element.

00:30:33.000 I mean, it's not everything about a place, but I think places have memory.

00:30:39.000 I think that a place like Nashville, and also it's small enough because it's kind of a tight community.

00:30:46.000 Everybody kind of knows everybody.

00:30:47.000 There's so many musicians there, Kid Rock's there, Black Keys is there.

00:30:51.000 I was just with him.

00:30:52.000 Yeah, Kid Rock.

00:30:53.000 He told me he was...

00:30:54.000 Yeah, I ran into it at the UFC. Kid Rock's my favorite fucking thing of all time is going to his giant track of land in Nashville and seeing his fucking White House.

00:31:05.000 Yeah, like with the rotating dining room and the fucking crazy.

00:31:10.000 He's out of his mind.

00:31:11.000 He did well, man.

00:31:12.000 Yeah.

00:31:13.000 I know I met him.

00:31:14.000 I met him.

00:31:15.000 He used to come up to the studio when we were making the Chronic album with Dre.

00:31:19.000 I think it was like visiting, I think, a lot with Eminem.

00:31:25.000 I don't know if he was doing some other stuff, but he was there quite a bit.

00:31:29.000 Cool guy, man.

00:31:30.000 Yeah, he's always at the UFC with Trump.

00:31:32.000 It's hilarious because Trump comes into American Badass.

00:31:35.000 The crowd goes nuts when they know he's there.

00:31:37.000 And then Kid Rock's behind him.

00:31:38.000 It's like the Republican Avengers.

00:31:40.000 Dude, I performed at Mar-a-Lago not long ago.

00:31:42.000 No way!

00:31:43.000 Yeah, I jammed out.

00:31:44.000 I did a Blacks for Trump thing.

00:31:47.000 It was cool, man.

00:31:48.000 Jeff Dye was telling me he's done stand-up at Mar-a-Lago.

00:31:51.000 How crazy is that?

00:31:54.000 Yeah, he's a genius.

00:31:58.000 He got a sick operation over there.

00:32:00.000 That Mar-a-Lago is insane, bro.

00:32:02.000 I need to check it out.

00:32:03.000 We do this podcast called Protect Our Parks with Shane Gillis, Ari Shaffir, and Mark Norman.

00:32:09.000 It's a crazy podcast.

00:32:10.000 We get hammered.

00:32:11.000 Drink a beer out of like this giant freedom bong.

00:32:14.000 It's like an eagle's asshole you're drinking the beer out of.

00:32:16.000 And we talked about doing one from Mar-a-Lago.

00:32:20.000 We might do that still.

00:32:21.000 That's cool.

00:32:21.000 I'm supposed to go there.

00:32:22.000 I think I'm going to go there for us on the 13th.

00:32:25.000 They're doing some kind of event like...

00:32:29.000 Roaring 20s vibe dinner and then like a whole weekend of...

00:32:32.000 Roaring 20s?

00:32:33.000 Like you wear the outfits?

00:32:34.000 I'm not gonna but like...

00:32:35.000 Bro, I would wear one of them outfits.

00:32:37.000 That'd be badass.

00:32:39.000 What did they wear?

00:32:39.000 What's like a roaring 20s outfit?

00:32:41.000 Zoot suit.

00:32:42.000 I would imagine that's like...

00:32:43.000 Double-breasted.

00:32:44.000 Yeah, like the Peaky Blinders.

00:32:46.000 What those dudes wore.

00:32:47.000 What do they wear in their 20s?

00:32:49.000 The Shelby's.

00:32:50.000 Zoot suits, man.

00:32:53.000 What do they wear?

00:32:55.000 Roaring 20s men.

00:32:59.000 Oh, yeah.

00:33:00.000 Oh, that looks slick.

00:33:01.000 Those hats, look at that.

00:33:03.000 They all wore hats.

00:33:04.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:33:04.000 Lucky Luciano shit going on.

00:33:05.000 Isn't that crazy that, like, nice hats just went away?

00:33:09.000 We were talking about that the other day.

00:33:11.000 We were watching an old-school fight with Jack Johnson, and every man on the street, like, waiting in line for the fight, all the people in the audience for the fight, all of them had fancy hats on.

00:33:21.000 Men used to just wear fancy hats.

00:33:23.000 Something happened.

00:33:24.000 Fancy hats just fell apart.

00:33:27.000 Like, if you were in the fancy hat business in 1920, be like, bro, we got it forever.

00:33:32.000 Fancy hats ain't going away.

00:33:34.000 But fancy hats completely fucking went...

00:33:36.000 There were a couple companies.

00:33:37.000 A friend of mine was wearing a hat.

00:33:38.000 He's like, you know, this hat's like four grand.

00:33:40.000 I'm like...

00:33:41.000 It's like some fancy company.

00:33:42.000 I'm sure there's companies, but it's not like everybody's...

00:33:45.000 Like baseball hats, everybody buys baseball hats, you know?

00:33:48.000 But fancy hats?

00:33:49.000 They just went in LA. If you would ask those fancy hat people, do you think one day the president will be wearing a baseball hat or a fancy hat?

00:33:57.000 They'd be like, a fancy hat.

00:33:58.000 He's the fucking president.

00:34:00.000 Nope.

00:34:00.000 Make America great again.

00:34:03.000 Baseball hat with a suit on.

00:34:04.000 That's crazy.

00:34:05.000 You know what?

00:34:06.000 Fancy hats just fell out of style.

00:34:08.000 Yeah, I think...

00:34:09.000 You can't bring it back either.

00:34:10.000 It's become a much more casual world, I believe.

00:34:13.000 And it's like, I mean, sometimes I always bitch like, ah, people knew how to dress.

00:34:16.000 When we used to go out, I would put on a sport coat and wear, you know.

00:34:19.000 But like, at the end of the day, like, I get it.

00:34:23.000 It's all bullshit.

00:34:24.000 It's nice to dress up sometimes.

00:34:25.000 Sometimes.

00:34:26.000 It's fun.

00:34:26.000 It's a pain in the ass sometimes.

00:34:27.000 Yeah, it's a pain in the ass.

00:34:28.000 Lately, I've just been changing my whole fashion ways, like...

00:34:31.000 A friend of mine said something.

00:34:34.000 He's like, even though I have nice things, he's like, you don't need a Ferrari.

00:34:41.000 Be the Ferrari.

00:34:42.000 When you walk in a room, you're on South Beach and all these fucking guys that barely have a pot to piss in are getting out of the Lambo and the fucking valet.

00:34:54.000 I was the king of that shit.

00:34:56.000 I was filthy rich and did all that shit.

00:34:58.000 I might as well have just landed a fucking spaceship on top of the club.

00:35:02.000 I was doing everything, but lately it turns me off.

00:35:05.000 I look at myself and I feel like a poser.

00:35:08.000 I feel like the richest guy in the room is wearing a fucking bare bones, no diamonds type shit.

00:35:15.000 Well, look at Elon Musk.

00:35:17.000 Dude wears Occupy Mars t-shirts.

00:35:20.000 Doesn't even have a watch.

00:35:21.000 Yep.

00:35:22.000 You know, it's just hanging.

00:35:23.000 That's where I'm at.

00:35:24.000 I think what happens is in the beginning you want everybody to know you're doing well, so you have all your stuff on.

00:35:30.000 You dress real nice.

00:35:31.000 You know, you're like, wow, Scott looks good.

00:35:33.000 He looks sharp.

00:35:34.000 But then when you're undeniable, you reach a point in your life where you're just like, who am I doing this for?

00:35:40.000 This is stupid.

00:35:41.000 Well, if you're like me and you have a point in your life where you had a hundred million dollars, And you were trying to impress everybody and you fucking didn't have any respect for everybody.

00:35:50.000 Like my financial manager walked away from me back in the day and said, you're unmanageable.

00:35:53.000 Why?

00:35:54.000 You going crazy?

00:35:55.000 I was going, I was spending so much money.

00:35:57.000 But look, you're still here.

00:35:58.000 I had fun.

00:35:59.000 I had tons of fun.

00:36:00.000 I bet you had a good time.

00:36:00.000 But when you lose everything.

00:36:02.000 Yeah.

00:36:03.000 You want to, like, fake it and be like, oh, no, I still got it.

00:36:06.000 And, like, I'm the guy with the most obnoxious set of diamonds.

00:36:09.000 And I'm broke as shit.

00:36:10.000 Because I just wanted the look of art.

00:36:12.000 My ego wouldn't let me let go of that shit.

00:36:14.000 That's a negative feedback loop.

00:36:16.000 Yeah.

00:36:16.000 Because that doesn't feed into art either.

00:36:18.000 No, it doesn't.

00:36:19.000 It's the opposite.

00:36:19.000 It doesn't.

00:36:20.000 I had to get rid of all of that.

00:36:21.000 I had to, like, really take it back to nothing.

00:36:24.000 Like, I don't care about labels and shit.

00:36:26.000 I like nice things.

00:36:27.000 Look.

00:36:29.000 I don't have to do the pull-up on the club, but look, there's nothing wrong with a fucking 911. It's just a great car.

00:36:36.000 Yeah, there's amazing engineering.

00:36:38.000 I do it for me now.

00:36:40.000 Whatever I do, I'm really getting into my music.

00:36:46.000 I'm getting into a lot of things.

00:36:47.000 I appreciate both things.

00:36:49.000 I appreciate people who dress real nice, and I appreciate people who don't give a fuck.

00:36:53.000 I think there's a place for everybody.

00:36:55.000 There's a happy medium.

00:36:56.000 Yeah, and then the stuff is not life.

00:36:59.000 Life is not your stuff.

00:37:00.000 No.

00:37:01.000 But some stuff is fucking cool.

00:37:03.000 Hell yeah.

00:37:03.000 Like, Cat Williams when he was here, he wasn't even living here or staying here, and somehow or another he got an electric Rolls Royce.

00:37:10.000 So he's here for a day to do a show, and wasn't he doing a show somewhere else or something?

00:37:16.000 Like an arena somewhere?

00:37:18.000 But one of the things he said, he said, when you're sitting in this car, you know where you spent your money.

00:37:24.000 Because it's like, you go, oh, I know why this is $600,000.

00:37:29.000 Look how fucking amazing this thing is.

00:37:30.000 Lights on the ceiling.

00:37:32.000 I love nice things.

00:37:32.000 I just like them for different reasons.

00:37:34.000 Right.

00:37:35.000 You don't like them for showing off.

00:37:36.000 You like them because you like them because they're awesome.

00:37:39.000 There's nothing wrong with luxury.

00:37:41.000 Yes!

00:37:42.000 There's nothing wrong with luxury.

00:37:43.000 The problem is you trying to show everybody your luxury instead of just enjoying it.

00:37:49.000 Like, look in my car.

00:37:50.000 Or prioritizing it before your children.

00:37:53.000 Before anything.

00:37:54.000 Before anything.

00:37:55.000 Before food.

00:37:57.000 It shouldn't come before anything.

00:37:59.000 It should be just a fun thing.

00:38:01.000 And when you get to a level of success that you're at, if you don't figure that out, that's when it's the saddest.

00:38:06.000 When someone makes a ton of money and doesn't go, oh, it's not about the things.

00:38:10.000 It's about the relationships that I have.

00:38:12.000 It's about my friends.

00:38:14.000 It's about my loved ones, my family.

00:38:15.000 It's about the people that I work with.

00:38:17.000 It's about everybody having a good time.

00:38:19.000 It's about let's all get together and break bread and eat and hug each other and tell each other we love each other and do great work and have a good time and just enjoy this life experience.

00:38:29.000 That's the thing.

00:38:30.000 That's the thing.

00:38:31.000 The car is just like, look, that's cool, dude.

00:38:34.000 Yeah, it's icing.

00:38:34.000 Yeah, if you pull up in a cool car, I'm like, check it out, what do you got?

00:38:36.000 But that is all some people have to offer in their life, and they think that that is great.

00:38:41.000 Well, you know, the problem is that's seemingly the most unattainable thing.

00:38:45.000 When you're broke, and you see some guy who pulls up in a brand new 911, you're like, what the fuck?

00:38:51.000 This is yours?

00:38:52.000 It's mind-blowing.

00:38:53.000 I had Bugattis and all kinds of shit.

00:38:55.000 You had those things?

00:38:56.000 I had everything.

00:38:58.000 I won for the best car collection on fucking MTV Cribs.

00:39:02.000 I had like 26 cars, bro.

00:39:04.000 If you name...

00:39:05.000 I had like $10 million cars.

00:39:07.000 Wow.

00:39:08.000 Like crazy shit.

00:39:09.000 Like, I'm an idiot.

00:39:09.000 But at any rate...

00:39:11.000 Yeah, but those are fun too.

00:39:13.000 If you can afford it.

00:39:14.000 No, yeah, but I lived a billionaire's life as a millionaire.

00:39:17.000 I had $100 million.

00:39:18.000 I thought I said $100 billion in my account.

00:39:20.000 I thought there was an extra zero.

00:39:22.000 But recently, I met a guy...

00:39:26.000 You just met Kevin.

00:39:27.000 Kevin is a fucking, like, just a great person.

00:39:32.000 I had met him years and years ago.

00:39:35.000 He was the head of security for 50 Cent.

00:39:37.000 And he brought 50 to my house to do the candy shop.

00:39:42.000 Okay?

00:39:43.000 And that's when I met him.

00:39:44.000 I lost touch with him for so many years and just, you know, not so long ago, just re-met him at this studio.

00:39:52.000 This guy, Bebe, at Circle House said, yo, I got you.

00:39:54.000 This guy wants to...

00:39:55.000 You've met him before, but he wants to meet you.

00:39:58.000 He's now...

00:40:00.000 The owner of the Platinum Security Group, which is, like, one of the largest corporate security companies in the nation.

00:40:08.000 Like, this guy owns so much real estate, he owns half of Boca Raton.

00:40:11.000 He's, like, a major freaking guy.

00:40:14.000 And he, like...

00:40:15.000 We started, he wanted to, you know, initially hire me to do some music for some artists and he had a record label and we ended up partnering on that record label and partnering on these different type things that were, you know, different projects and shit that we're doing.

00:40:30.000 And he was like, yo...

00:40:33.000 First of all, you need to get the fuck out of Miami, and I want you to move an hour north to Boca so you can focus and really make the music.

00:40:41.000 Stop worrying about...

00:40:42.000 Because Miami, like, starts slipping into my old ways, and girls are every day.

00:40:48.000 Miami is crazy.

00:40:48.000 It show up, and it's a cesspool, bro, and it's so much fun, and it's so fucked up, and there's so much ass, and there's so much drugs, and there's so much everything, and it's like, fuck that.

00:40:58.000 You should have to have a passport to go to Miami.

00:41:01.000 Right.

00:41:01.000 That is not America.

00:41:03.000 That's a new thing.

00:41:04.000 That's a new thing.

00:41:05.000 Miami's wild.

00:41:06.000 It's good to go there if you need to fucking be there.

00:41:09.000 The energy in that place is amazing.

00:41:10.000 Down the road is beautiful waterfront living and normalcy.

00:41:15.000 And just far enough to where the garbage is not going to hit you every day.

00:41:20.000 You can get there if you want.

00:41:21.000 Yeah.

00:41:22.000 But, yeah, you're outside.

00:41:23.000 That's what I think.

00:41:24.000 Attack it from the outside.

00:41:26.000 Move up here.

00:41:26.000 Since I did that and followed his lead, so many great things are happening.

00:41:31.000 Yeah.

00:41:32.000 Even just, like, unlocking.

00:41:33.000 You know how you block your blessings?

00:41:35.000 Mm-hmm.

00:41:36.000 Like, I was blocking my blessings, and now they're starting to come.

00:41:38.000 I'm here with you talking and telling my story, and, like, things like that are happening, great things.

00:41:43.000 I have an artist that, you know, I'm working on.

00:41:48.000 I have...

00:41:49.000 My album.

00:41:50.000 I decided, like, you know how Khaled makes an album?

00:41:52.000 He's got all these different people.

00:41:53.000 And I'm like, you know what?

00:41:55.000 I've made my whole life of us making hit records for labels and for their artists.

00:42:01.000 Why not develop artists and do my own album and use some of those artists for my projects?

00:42:07.000 And, um...

00:42:09.000 Yeah, I'm putting out a slew of singles.

00:42:14.000 This girl, Abby Stare, that Kevin introduced me to, is so amazing.

00:42:21.000 I think there might be a picture somewhere that I was told, because I'm using her...

00:42:27.000 For my single, for my first single, even though we're going to be developing her album, but I'm doing my single featuring her, and then a whole bunch of other ones that I'm going to be putting out.

00:42:37.000 I have one with Young Blue, and I have tons of singles, but we have this song.

00:42:46.000 Yeah, I'm excited, man.

00:42:47.000 I'm doing the things I always wanted to do.

00:42:50.000 I'm taking full-on initiative now.

00:42:54.000 And you think moving an hour outside Miami was a big part of that?

00:42:57.000 I think, yeah, in order to just...

00:42:59.000 Balance?

00:43:00.000 Yeah, balance myself.

00:43:01.000 You need balance, man.

00:43:02.000 You need to be able to go hard, but you need to be able to recover, relax, and focus.

00:43:06.000 You need privacy.

00:43:08.000 Solitude so you can think.

00:43:10.000 Everybody needs that.

00:43:11.000 You need balance in your life.

00:43:12.000 If you don't, you lean in one direction.

00:43:15.000 It's like your body.

00:43:17.000 If you only work out your biceps, your fucking hips are gonna go.

00:43:20.000 Something's gonna go wrong.

00:43:21.000 You're gonna fuck your body up with imbalance.

00:43:23.000 You're gonna fuck your life up with imbalance.

00:43:25.000 Everything needs some sort of a balance, and everybody's balance is different.

00:43:29.000 For a guy like you who goes hard, you probably should get the fuck out of Miami.

00:43:35.000 You probably should be living in Boca with all the quiet people.

00:43:38.000 Yep.

00:43:39.000 And I'm loving it.

00:43:39.000 If I need to go to Miami, I'm going to go to Miami.

00:43:43.000 One hour.

00:43:43.000 It's one hour.

00:43:43.000 Fuck it.

00:43:44.000 How hard is that?

00:43:44.000 I love Florida.

00:43:45.000 It's just a fucking crazy-ass place.

00:43:47.000 It is.

00:43:48.000 Crazy-ass place filled with reptiles.

00:43:50.000 Yeah, right?

00:43:52.000 And they literally were walking around on your dock.

00:43:54.000 There's so many.

00:43:55.000 Giant iguanas falling out of trees when it gets cold out.

00:43:59.000 Yeah, it's funny as shit.

00:44:01.000 It's just such a fucked up place.

00:44:03.000 But it's so fun.

00:44:04.000 There's so many good things.

00:44:06.000 And during the pandemic, I think people started to really appreciate Florida.

00:44:09.000 So many people moved down there.

00:44:11.000 They're like, hey, you can just live here.

00:44:13.000 You don't have to just be under the tyrannical control of the government.

00:44:17.000 Look, the Northeast was a great place as a young guy to build strength and the changing of the seasons, scraping the ice off your fucking windshield and just learning about being a man, wearing Timberland boots because you're fucking freezing cold.

00:44:32.000 Right.

00:44:32.000 And I think...

00:44:34.000 I think every young person should have to, like, experience that.

00:44:38.000 100%.

00:44:38.000 Not just, like, sunshine.

00:44:40.000 Bro, I grew up in Boston.

00:44:42.000 Yeah.

00:44:42.000 And, you know, it's cold as fuck in the winter.

00:44:46.000 When I was a kid, we made money by shoveling snow.

00:44:49.000 And that, you know, that's back-breaking fucking work, shoveling long, steep driveways and shit for a hundred bucks.

00:44:56.000 Yeah.

00:44:56.000 You know, but if you could do that and do that all the time, like, you build resolve.

00:45:02.000 You're out there freezing.

00:45:03.000 Your hands are numb.

00:45:04.000 You know, we'd play outside in the snow.

00:45:06.000 Your fucking hands would go numb.

00:45:07.000 You'd come in, you can't feel your feet.

00:45:09.000 It makes you stronger.

00:45:10.000 It makes you stronger.

00:45:11.000 Scraping the ice off your windshield before you go to work.

00:45:15.000 Salting the walk.

00:45:17.000 I feel bad for people that don't grow up in those environments because I really think it gives you a little extra edge.

00:45:22.000 And those changing of seasons are amazing.

00:45:24.000 Different feelings, different moods.

00:45:26.000 All my favorite comedians for the most, well, that's not true.

00:45:28.000 I was going to say that, but then Kinnison.

00:45:30.000 He was from Texas.

00:45:31.000 Sam.

00:45:32.000 Yeah.

00:45:33.000 But that was different.

00:45:34.000 That dude was, that's a different thing.

00:45:36.000 I always think about back to school.

00:45:38.000 When I think about Sam Kinnison, I don't know why, my mind just goes right there.

00:45:40.000 Was he right?

00:45:41.000 Was he right?

00:45:43.000 I was there!

00:45:46.000 That dude's awesome.

00:45:47.000 Yeah, he was awesome.

00:45:48.000 I have an appreciation for film.

00:45:50.000 I have an appreciation for comedians.

00:45:52.000 I grew up...

00:45:55.000 I was buying Richard Pryor albums as a kid and Eddie Murphy albums.

00:45:59.000 I spent a lot of time...

00:46:00.000 I became good friends with Mike Epps.

00:46:03.000 A lot of comedians.

00:46:04.000 Comedians are tortured souls, you guys.

00:46:06.000 I think a lot of...

00:46:08.000 That whole comedy tragedy thing is very serious.

00:46:11.000 For many.

00:46:13.000 Yeah, there's something to that.

00:46:14.000 But it's...

00:46:16.000 You just gotta figure out how to balance it, like we were talking about before.

00:46:20.000 For me, I balance it out with exercise.

00:46:23.000 Exercise and saunas and cold plunges and yoga and shit like that.

00:46:27.000 That's how I balance it out.

00:46:29.000 That's how I keep my mind straight.

00:46:30.000 But if I didn't, I would be spiraling, just like all of them.

00:46:34.000 I think you need something in your life that's more difficult than your life.

00:46:40.000 Something that you do, that you choose to do, that's more difficult than regular life.

00:46:44.000 Because then it makes regular life way more manageable.

00:46:48.000 Well, it's kind of cool.

00:46:49.000 I'm 50 and I'm like inspired like when I was in my early 20s and just like doing the music.

00:46:57.000 And it's like sometimes I get reminded of like the fact, you know, like when you try to like keep up, like there's a session like and you're gonna have to go meet little baby at 3 in the morning.

00:47:09.000 And you're 50. Okay, fuck it.

00:47:12.000 I just do it.

00:47:12.000 I just have to compensate for it.

00:47:14.000 I could have just went for days back in the day without drugs.

00:47:18.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:47:20.000 Now it's like, alright, I'm going to sleep real late because I'm going to have to go at 3 o'clock in the morning.

00:47:24.000 So is that like a standard thing?

00:47:27.000 Like when rappers come and they want to work with you, do they generally want to work late at night?

00:47:31.000 Rappers?

00:47:31.000 Yeah.

00:47:32.000 Yes.

00:47:32.000 They all want to work late at night.

00:47:34.000 And my biggest problem is...

00:47:37.000 I know.

00:47:38.000 I can't always tell them that.

00:47:39.000 Like, sometimes you should just send them CDs and shit, but I know when you get in a room and you make some shit right there on the spot for somebody and you're feeling their energy, that's when the best records happen.

00:47:51.000 Yes.

00:47:52.000 These dudes, like, a lot of dudes are not, like, with it, but there's some are.

00:47:57.000 That's the extra magic, right?

00:47:58.000 Yeah, I think the best artists want that.

00:48:01.000 The ones that aren't really artists, they just want some bullshit to rap on, some more bullshit.

00:48:05.000 But there's something, you're exchanging something as human beings.

00:48:10.000 You're with that person.

00:48:12.000 You're experiencing them, they're experiencing you, the music, the song, everything together, the lyrics.

00:48:18.000 That's a human experience.

00:48:20.000 That's why I refuse to do Zoom podcasts.

00:48:23.000 Like some people in other countries.

00:48:25.000 They wanted to be on a screen and just sit in their living room.

00:48:28.000 You gotta fly here, bro.

00:48:29.000 You gotta be in the room.

00:48:31.000 I'll give you a perfect example.

00:48:33.000 I got a call a week ago, FaceTime, and it was J. Cole.

00:48:41.000 I was chilling.

00:48:42.000 I was like, oh shit, it's J. Cole.

00:48:46.000 My neighbor thinks I'm selling dope.

00:48:48.000 He says, yo, Storch, I figured out a way that I can harness that Storch thing.

00:48:57.000 You're in Florida.

00:48:58.000 I'm flying there.

00:48:59.000 So I'm going home from this tomorrow.

00:49:01.000 He's going to be there the next day.

00:49:02.000 We're going to be working at a hit factory.

00:49:05.000 But he gets it.

00:49:06.000 We were just listening to neighbors in the green room last night.

00:49:09.000 We were all going, motherfucker, I am.

00:49:13.000 I'm excited.

00:49:14.000 I'm excited when somebody wants to get in the room and they have an idea of what they feel like out of the Scott Storch bag of tricks.

00:49:23.000 They want to harness or encompass and like that.

00:49:25.000 Well, you're also a guy that you find out you're working with Scott Storch that day, everybody gets fired up.

00:49:31.000 Because you've had so much success that there's this excitement about you.

00:49:36.000 And you're in the room and that creates additional inspiration.

00:49:41.000 I get my all to all clients because if somebody's going to be in a room when I'm not there and they're like, this is the one Scott Storch did, That shit had better.

00:49:51.000 If I like the artist or I don't, whatever the hell it is, they have to be like, yo, that beat is fucking flames.

00:49:57.000 So I give my all to shit.

00:49:59.000 And for some reason, man, like I said, this is one of the few things I can just do over and over again.

00:50:05.000 I do it good.

00:50:06.000 I give results.

00:50:07.000 Nothing always sounds the same if somehow I manage to pull it off.

00:50:12.000 I just remember Dr. Dre telling me, yo, Because his work ethic is crazy.

00:50:17.000 He says, you don't have to be on every day, just most days.

00:50:24.000 And it stuck with me.

00:50:25.000 And I was like, yeah, man, like, you know, you gotta be known for being the guy that hit home runs almost every time.

00:50:30.000 Not every time, but almost every time.

00:50:32.000 But when you're dealing with something that involves creativity, it can't be every day.

00:50:36.000 It's not possible.

00:50:37.000 You're asking too much of the muse.

00:50:40.000 Yeah.

00:50:40.000 But that's also the problem with being a workaholic.

00:50:43.000 You're going hard all the time.

00:50:44.000 You're constantly working.

00:50:46.000 And you're going to have your hitses and you're going to have your misses.

00:50:49.000 And that's just a part of the process.

00:50:51.000 I go hard with everything that I do.

00:50:54.000 Whether it be a bad thing or a good thing.

00:50:56.000 Yeah.

00:50:57.000 Most people do.

00:50:58.000 I got, like, you know...

00:51:00.000 The same energy I give to that, to the music and shit, I was giving to the wrong things for a while.

00:51:06.000 A good friend of mine, we were talking about a buddy of ours that died.

00:51:09.000 He died from pills.

00:51:11.000 And he was super clean.

00:51:13.000 He was a professional pool player.

00:51:15.000 Like a really world-class pool player.

00:51:17.000 Super clean.

00:51:18.000 Never did anything.

00:51:19.000 Never drank.

00:51:19.000 Never smoked.

00:51:20.000 Got in a car accident.

00:51:21.000 Fucked his back up.

00:51:22.000 Started getting on pills.

00:51:23.000 And pain pills, to him, he chased pain pills the way he chased being the best in the world at pool.

00:51:29.000 The same thing that got him to be a wizard at playing pool, that same obsession, that same obsession got wrapped up in the pills.

00:51:37.000 And he died.

00:51:38.000 He died young.

00:51:41.000 And we were talking about him like that is what it is.

00:51:43.000 That's where obsession and addiction cross paths.

00:51:47.000 One can serve you, one can ruin you.

00:51:49.000 And they're the same energy.

00:51:52.000 It's just how you channel the fire.

00:51:54.000 You can channel the fire to wood and cook your food or you can channel it to your house and now you're fucked.

00:52:00.000 Where do you put the fire?

00:52:02.000 How do you direct it?

00:52:03.000 And if you direct it the right way, you can have an amazing life and do all kinds of cool shit and have a great time and meet cool people and have a fun life.

00:52:11.000 Or you can do it the wrong way and just be on skid row, covered in scabs.

00:52:15.000 It's hard to balance sometimes things that take over your soul, like pills and shit like that.

00:52:21.000 Later, I want to talk to you about it.

00:52:22.000 I got into the business of rehab.

00:52:25.000 Not for money.

00:52:26.000 I got into the business and we have to help people, but that's later.

00:52:31.000 Honestly, like, I got...

00:52:34.000 My whole life was just all music, music, music.

00:52:37.000 I loved music.

00:52:38.000 I loved going in my fucking car and just listening to the things I loved, like music.

00:52:43.000 I love music of the 70s.

00:52:45.000 I love Marvin Gaye.

00:52:46.000 I like all this fucking incredible music, Earth Wind and Fires.

00:52:51.000 That's where it all comes from.

00:52:53.000 So I based my music on the past 50 years of music, 100 years of music.

00:52:57.000 And I was doing good.

00:53:00.000 I smoked pounds of weed, made my music, lived a very healthy life and became very rich.

00:53:06.000 And I was in a bubble for so long that one day I'm living in a house That Ivanka Trump recently just bought.

00:53:19.000 It was my house on Indian Creek Island, okay?

00:53:22.000 Which I owned outright.

00:53:24.000 I bought the fucking house for cash from the widow of the founder of Southern Wine and Spirits.

00:53:30.000 And I bought this house.

00:53:32.000 It was fucking massive topiary gardens and incredible thing.

00:53:36.000 I was living a healthy life.

00:53:38.000 And I wasn't in my mind like...

00:53:42.000 Cool.

00:53:43.000 But I was like happy.

00:53:44.000 I was cool.

00:53:45.000 That was as cool as it gets because I was balanced and healthy and doing what I love to do.

00:53:50.000 But I felt like...

00:53:52.000 I was yearning for something bad, or I don't know what I was yearning for, but this girl ended up showing up at my doorstep.

00:54:00.000 A very famous girl.

00:54:04.000 Look, I'm not playing the blame game or anything, but a course of events happened.

00:54:09.000 Paris Hilton shows up at my door, initially to work on music.

00:54:14.000 And we ended up connecting and I learned this whole new way of life, like with paparazzis and being like next to her and then, excuse me, inevitably hooking up with her and we're now an item and shit and we're,

00:54:30.000 you know, kind of like...

00:54:33.000 We're having tons of fun.

00:54:35.000 We're good friends, but I think we're both using each other in a certain way, like, where I'm, like, so excited to be next to this girl who's, like, the coolest, most famous girl in the world.

00:54:47.000 She's, like, my girl, and, like, she's next to a few...

00:54:51.000 Her passion was, at that time, music, and she was, like, next to me.

00:54:55.000 I'm the number one music producer in the world at the time.

00:54:58.000 And it went on, and then, inevitably, the nightlife led to fucking...

00:55:04.000 Cocaine.

00:55:08.000 She don't lie, she don't lie.

00:55:11.000 First year, year and a half, going here on planes and Saint-Tropez and St. Bards and the flyest shit you could do and flyest, the best fucking coke and all that shit, just having a blast.

00:55:26.000 And then it just goes bad.

00:55:29.000 And then it's just like you have a relationship.

00:55:31.000 You've seen the movie Blow.

00:55:33.000 Oh, yeah.

00:55:33.000 You've seen how hot Penelope Cruz and Dewar in the beginning are into each other.

00:55:39.000 Of course.

00:55:41.000 There's no happy ending.

00:55:43.000 Your foundation gets rotted out under you.

00:55:45.000 Yeah, and my A-list life was born there.

00:55:52.000 I was now in that situation.

00:55:56.000 I ended up with Kim Kardashian and All these different things.

00:55:59.000 She wasn't even famous at that point, but she's cool, man.

00:56:03.000 She's always been a great person.

00:56:06.000 I gained a lot of respect for her when she started working for criminal and prison reform.

00:56:10.000 Yeah, that just shows.

00:56:12.000 That sits from the heart, too.

00:56:13.000 Advocacy for people that are wrongfully accused.

00:56:16.000 Yeah, man.

00:56:16.000 She's done a lot of good things.

00:56:17.000 That lady's gotten a lot of people out of jail.

00:56:21.000 Look, as long as I've known Kim, she's never been anything but just a super sweet person.

00:56:28.000 That's awesome.

00:56:29.000 I met her before the fame.

00:56:30.000 We dated before the fame.

00:56:34.000 I was a hot mess.

00:56:37.000 I was the fucked up one when we were together.

00:56:40.000 I just was not focused.

00:56:41.000 I was just thinking about...

00:56:47.000 I had a session.

00:56:53.000 I moved to Palm Island from Indian Creek because...

00:56:57.000 Everything I was doing I was trying to impress Paris and like I knew that everybody wanted to be on Star Island and Palm Island and like close to the party, South Beach.

00:57:05.000 Right.

00:57:06.000 It was South Beach, South Beach.

00:57:07.000 Right.

00:57:08.000 I didn't know that where I was living already was the Big Daddy.

00:57:11.000 Like those houses, you have to be a...

00:57:13.000 Everybody's there, like Bezos.

00:57:15.000 Everybody's there now, like where I was.

00:57:17.000 I moved to this house on Palm Island.

00:57:20.000 I go from a 90-foot yacht to a much bigger yacht.

00:57:23.000 I take these leaps just trying to impress her and just blow her mind, even though she didn't need that.

00:57:29.000 Trapped?

00:57:30.000 Yeah, it was all some weird mental thing.

00:57:33.000 A lot of people get caught in that spiral when they start making money.

00:57:36.000 I didn't want to be famous.

00:57:37.000 I wanted to be the most famous.

00:57:39.000 I wanted to be the biggest boss, not just a boss.

00:57:42.000 I had to be that guy.

00:57:43.000 Boy.

00:57:44.000 And when I lost everything, it was like...

00:57:47.000 It was bad news.

00:57:49.000 And, look, I had Janet Jackson at my house to do a session.

00:57:53.000 Pre or post-nipple at the Super Bowl?

00:57:55.000 I don't remember.

00:57:56.000 I don't remember the nipples.

00:57:57.000 But I remember this sweet, cool lady.

00:58:00.000 When I met Janet...

00:58:02.000 I was told to not even really talk to her, more like talk to somebody.

00:58:08.000 For real?

00:58:10.000 Yeah, it was like, pass your message and tell this person that they're going to relay it.

00:58:13.000 Even in the same room.

00:58:14.000 To the point where within a few hours...

00:58:16.000 When you're collaborating with music?

00:58:18.000 Just for the first few minutes this happened, and then like...

00:58:23.000 Dude, we became like homies.

00:58:24.000 I was like, fuck that.

00:58:26.000 Well, sometimes it's the handlers that fuck them.

00:58:28.000 The handlers.

00:58:29.000 I've seen people, they give themselves extra importance by saying, if you want to talk to her, you have to talk to me first.

00:58:36.000 Yeah, like creating a droll for themselves.

00:58:38.000 And creating a little bit of insecurity on your part, too.

00:58:42.000 Don't address Ms. Jackson.

00:58:44.000 Address me, I'll address Ms. Jackson.

00:58:46.000 That's exactly it.

00:58:48.000 I don't even know about all that.

00:58:49.000 By the end of the day, I was smoking my weed.

00:58:53.000 I was telling her about the different kinds I had in these New York plastic jars and this and that.

00:59:00.000 Just cool as hell.

00:59:01.000 But flash forward to now she's coming to Palm Island to work.

00:59:06.000 I left her at my house for like seven or eight hours because I wanted to go to the Gold Rush and go get some blow and hang out with strippers.

00:59:14.000 It was just like...

00:59:16.000 Are you fucking serious?

00:59:18.000 You're really gonna do that?

00:59:19.000 You don't see it at the time because it's out of your fucking mind.

00:59:23.000 You're out of your fucking mind.

00:59:23.000 Out of my mind.

00:59:24.000 Out of my tits.

00:59:25.000 So much regret for things like that.

00:59:27.000 When you have so much money and you have power and fame, you have too much possibility.

00:59:32.000 There's too many things that can entice you.

00:59:34.000 And if you're doing blow and going to strip clubs all the time, it's just like, more titties in my face, please.

00:59:39.000 Let's keep doing it.

00:59:40.000 Let's keep partying.

00:59:41.000 Let's stay up.

00:59:42.000 It's selfish.

00:59:42.000 And you're not thinking about it.

00:59:44.000 Because what are they saying, good fellas?

00:59:46.000 Ah, your brain's going to mush.

00:59:48.000 It's imbalanced.

00:59:49.000 It's true.

00:59:49.000 It's imbalanced.

00:59:50.000 It's like what we were talking about.

00:59:52.000 You need a balance.

00:59:53.000 The A-list parties turn to B-list parties.

00:59:56.000 The B-list turns to C-list.

00:59:57.000 The C-list turns to fucking street urchins.

01:00:00.000 You know what I mean?

01:00:01.000 I've had some fucking funny moments, though.

01:00:04.000 Like, I remember having a party.

01:00:06.000 It was like a Super Bowl party.

01:00:08.000 I had like...

01:00:10.000 Seven or eight hundred people at my house.

01:00:12.000 And, like, everybody's, like, fizzling out.

01:00:14.000 It's now, like, nine in the morning, ten in the morning.

01:00:17.000 I think Snoop was there.

01:00:18.000 Mike Epps was there.

01:00:20.000 Different people were hanging out, lingering, chilling.

01:00:22.000 Like, family people.

01:00:23.000 Now it's, like, friends and shit.

01:00:25.000 And, like, there's a knock on my door at, like, 10 a.m.

01:00:29.000 And it's Pamela Anderson.

01:00:31.000 And that shit was the funniest shit.

01:00:33.000 In my house, living with me at that time was one of my favorite people.

01:00:41.000 And I knew he was upstairs, like, sleeping or whatever.

01:00:44.000 My good friend DMX, God rest his soul.

01:00:48.000 And Pamela was showing up, and I was like, yo, ex!

01:00:52.000 Yo, ex!

01:00:53.000 Check this out!

01:00:53.000 I was all geeked out and, like, thinking it's so funny that I got Pamela coming to my house at 10 in the morning.

01:00:59.000 And he comes over the railing of my house, and he looks over, Baywatch!

01:01:06.000 And then he just walked back away.

01:01:07.000 He walked back in the fucking thing.

01:01:09.000 Okay?

01:01:11.000 X was living with me, man.

01:01:14.000 It was like the blind leading the blind.

01:01:16.000 I'm a coke addict and he's a crack addict.

01:01:18.000 And I'm trying to help him.

01:01:20.000 I'm like, man, you really need to get clean, man.

01:01:23.000 It's like, what the fuck is real?

01:01:27.000 So I'm like, yo, you need to go to rehab.

01:01:30.000 So I get him, I convince him to avoid a jail sentencing for something, a charge that he had, whatever.

01:01:37.000 He went to rehab and was getting his shit together.

01:01:41.000 The place that I had gone that didn't really work for me, but I had him there.

01:01:47.000 I really did care about him.

01:01:48.000 I wanted him off that shit.

01:01:49.000 Whatever, that was like a worse evil...

01:01:51.000 Or a faster suicide than I was even on.

01:01:54.000 And he ran out of the place.

01:01:57.000 I got a call from him.

01:01:58.000 The place was directly across the street from Hard Rock in Hollywood, Florida.

01:02:02.000 And he calls me.

01:02:03.000 He's like, yo, what's up?

01:02:04.000 I'm like, how are you calling me?

01:02:06.000 You don't have phone privileges like that.

01:02:07.000 He's like, I'm across the street from the rehab at the Hard Rock with one of the nurses.

01:02:13.000 And I'm like, are you fucking kidding me?

01:02:18.000 I was like, yo, X, cover yourself up, come back to my house, I'm gonna talk to these people, let you back in.

01:02:25.000 And he wouldn't let them back in.

01:02:26.000 It was a real tough motherfucker to own this place.

01:02:29.000 And he ended up, because it was court ordered, he had to go away.

01:02:32.000 I'm at the Montreal one morning, a couple of days later, and my security's like, yo, Doug, there's 50 federal agents here.

01:02:40.000 Like, crazy shit, bro.

01:02:42.000 It was like, I couldn't believe it.

01:02:44.000 I felt horrible.

01:02:46.000 And then you flash forward to not so long ago, I was heavily involved in a rehab center in California in Studio City where we used cannabis for healing.

01:03:00.000 And it came to my attention that he was on his last legs.

01:03:04.000 X was in bad shape.

01:03:07.000 So...

01:03:09.000 I was able to make a meeting happen.

01:03:12.000 My partner Steve LaBelle, I don't know if you know who Steve LaBelle is, managed Bone Thugs and Harmony and all these people, like real legend.

01:03:21.000 We were partners on this place and We had X come in.

01:03:26.000 He had emphysema.

01:03:27.000 He was one rock away from death.

01:03:30.000 You know that kind of thing.

01:03:32.000 So we convinced him.

01:03:33.000 We put him on a private plane to Washington to do a detox.

01:03:37.000 He went.

01:03:38.000 He went through the whole detox and his plan was to leave the detox and come to our facility inpatient and do rehab.

01:03:49.000 He never made it back on the plane to head back and we never saw him again.

01:03:55.000 I was me trying to save a man's life that I really loved.

01:03:59.000 He was such a special guy.

01:04:02.000 Such a special performer.

01:04:04.000 One of the greatest to ever do it.

01:04:06.000 Without a doubt.

01:04:07.000 The power that that guy had in his voice.

01:04:11.000 It was amazing.

01:04:12.000 But wild people make wild shit.

01:04:16.000 I'm one of them.

01:04:17.000 Sometimes you can't control.

01:04:19.000 You can't calculate.

01:04:21.000 Yeah, I mean, going back to Kenison, I mean, that did him.

01:04:24.000 I mean, he died in a car accident, but he was falling apart because it was all cocaine.

01:04:30.000 Cocaine and drinking.

01:04:31.000 And the wildest of the wilds all get caught up in that life because you escape yourself.

01:04:37.000 It's an escape, I was just about to say.

01:04:39.000 Yeah, it's an escape.

01:04:40.000 The difference between enjoying yourself and an escape is...

01:04:43.000 But, bro, like, the calm down, like, after, like...

01:04:46.000 Because after a while, like, that, like, getting fucked up and going to sleep doesn't work.

01:04:51.000 It's like, now you want to go for two days or three days.

01:04:54.000 The way you feel at the end of that run is no good, bro.

01:04:58.000 It's not good.

01:04:59.000 It's just no good.

01:05:00.000 Well, you're closing in on death.

01:05:02.000 Yeah.

01:05:02.000 That's the reality.

01:05:03.000 Yeah, your body's shutting down.

01:05:04.000 People don't like to think that, but if you're up for two days, you're about four days away from death.

01:05:10.000 You keep that up for four days, you're gonna die.

01:05:12.000 You'll stroke out.

01:05:13.000 You'll have a heart attack.

01:05:14.000 Something will go wrong.

01:05:15.000 You'll pop.

01:05:16.000 Something will go off.

01:05:17.000 Yeah, you'll get emphazine or you'll get pneumonia.

01:05:21.000 You'll get something horrible because your immune system is destroyed.

01:05:25.000 But it's like wild people make wild shit.

01:05:28.000 And do you get a DMX without drugs?

01:05:30.000 It's like you call it sex drugs or rock and roll, rock star shit, whatever you want to call it.

01:05:34.000 I don't know if you get those people.

01:05:35.000 I don't know if you get Hendrix without acid.

01:05:38.000 I don't know if you get it.

01:05:40.000 I don't know if you get it.

01:05:41.000 I don't know if you get it without heroin.

01:05:42.000 I don't know.

01:05:43.000 Maybe I'm so lucky because now I finally realize and understand all the things you're saying about you can just die and I get it now and I'm like, I'm not doing that.

01:05:55.000 I lived it, though, and I got the experience.

01:05:57.000 But the music is still fertile, and I'm still doing my thing because a lot of those memories and things...

01:06:02.000 Oh, bro, you made it through.

01:06:03.000 Yeah, I made it through.

01:06:04.000 You made it through.

01:06:05.000 You're alive.

01:06:06.000 You're healthy.

01:06:07.000 You're lucky.

01:06:08.000 You're blessed.

01:06:08.000 Fucking lucky as hell.

01:06:09.000 Lucky as shit.

01:06:10.000 And it's just like, that's the dance, man.

01:06:13.000 The dance is how much wild do you let in your life?

01:06:16.000 And if you don't let any in...

01:06:18.000 You might be boring as fuck.

01:06:22.000 Your art might suck.

01:06:23.000 I made it out alive.

01:06:25.000 All my favorite artists are a little off the rails, and always have been.

01:06:29.000 From my favorite writers to my favorite musicians.

01:06:32.000 I mean, so many of my favorite musicians died young.

01:06:36.000 Hendrix is probably one of my all-time favorites, but that's a great example.

01:06:40.000 You know, Jim Morrison, Janis Joplin, all these people died young, man.

01:06:44.000 Kurt Cobain died young, because they went too fucking hard, too wild, too wild out of the gate.

01:06:50.000 Amy Winehouse, too wild.

01:06:52.000 You start dealing with stuff that, like...

01:06:53.000 It's not like you could just be an organized drug addict.

01:06:57.000 Some people just have less of an addictive personality, but the shit just takes over.

01:07:03.000 Yeah, it takes over.

01:07:04.000 And again, if you live in that wild life, there's no one telling you to stop.

01:07:11.000 There's no one telling you to slow down.

01:07:12.000 You have all the money in the world.

01:07:15.000 Who the fuck are you?

01:07:17.000 Why are you telling me to slow down?

01:07:19.000 Fuck out of here.

01:07:20.000 I just did the Star Spangled Banner with my teeth.

01:07:22.000 Get the fuck off the stage.

01:07:25.000 You ever see him do that?

01:07:26.000 Ever see Hendrix do the Star Spangled Banner with his teeth?

01:07:29.000 Bro.

01:07:30.000 That motherfucker.

01:07:32.000 I'm told I'm one of the only guys who can play music and smoke weed at the same time.

01:07:38.000 I don't know how they play music and sing at the same time.

01:07:41.000 I, um...

01:07:45.000 I met this guy, Post Malone, part of his business team, him and Dre London, this guy Austin Rosen.

01:07:53.000 Austin Rosen's a fucking awesome dude.

01:07:55.000 He owns Electric Field Entertainment.

01:07:59.000 Post, all these guys, Lou Bell, they're all part of some of the most talented and Just one of the coolest things going on in music with these guys.

01:08:12.000 So I wanted to make a life story, like biopic.

01:08:16.000 I was going to do something.

01:08:18.000 I had one idea I was going to do.

01:08:20.000 And then he was like, Austin says, dude, I want you to go meet this guy.

01:08:26.000 His name's Charles Rovan.

01:08:28.000 He owns Atlas Entertainment.

01:08:30.000 I don't know if you're familiar with Atlas, but they made, like, one of the biggest movie producers in the history of movies.

01:08:38.000 He did, like, Suicide Squad, that whole series, Dark Knight, Oppenheimer, like, some of the craziest movies.

01:08:47.000 The list just goes on.

01:08:48.000 I'm like, oh, shit, this guy makes blockbusters.

01:08:51.000 He was going to make my movie?

01:08:52.000 He was like, listen...

01:08:54.000 Just go meet him, see what happens.

01:08:56.000 I meet the guy and I go in his office.

01:08:58.000 I'm like so nervous.

01:09:00.000 He says to me, I don't like you very much, especially from what I read.

01:09:06.000 But if I like you by the end of this meeting, I think we'll make a movie.

01:09:10.000 What does that mean?

01:09:11.000 I don't like you very much, especially from what I read.

01:09:13.000 Because like, you know, there's some fucked up shit like, you know, like, No tabloid type shit?

01:09:18.000 Yeah, but a lot of it's bullshit.

01:09:19.000 Of course it is.

01:09:20.000 It made me look a certain way.

01:09:21.000 But meanwhile, me and him ended up really seeing eye to eye and I was able to articulate why a lot of these things happened.

01:09:30.000 There was one interview I missed because I wasn't even told about it.

01:09:36.000 And apparently it was rescheduled three times.

01:09:39.000 And then I was told about it and I unfortunately had to reschedule it.

01:09:43.000 Guy wrote the most horrible story about me.

01:09:46.000 It was a cover of a magazine, and it was me covered with blood all over my face and just making me just look like fucking Hitler.

01:09:54.000 And, you know, it couldn't be any further from the truth.

01:09:58.000 Like, yeah, I made big mistakes, but...

01:10:00.000 I did it.

01:10:01.000 I was the nicest person.

01:10:03.000 I would give the shirt off my back.

01:10:05.000 Any person that ever stopped me in the streets to get a picture, I'm going to ask them how their day was.

01:10:11.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:10:12.000 I'm that guy.

01:10:13.000 I'm very thorough and very consistent.

01:10:16.000 Well, that doesn't sell.

01:10:17.000 Yeah.

01:10:17.000 What sells is, you're the worst piece of shit of all time.

01:10:19.000 Oh my god, let me read about this piece of shit.

01:10:22.000 That's a horrible thing that journalists do for money.

01:10:26.000 They make these pieces where they completely distort a person's essence, and they only do it for money.

01:10:32.000 They're just like emotional hit people.

01:10:34.000 Let's not talk about everything that I've left my footprint in the fucking world.

01:10:38.000 But at any rate, Yeah, right.

01:10:40.000 Let's just talk about negative things and only from a very distorted perspective.

01:10:44.000 Selfish.

01:10:44.000 Life is nuanced and it's weird.

01:10:47.000 Life is fucking crazy.

01:10:49.000 And sometimes people make mistakes, but it's not their whole being.

01:10:52.000 And to try to condense a person down to tabloid headlines, that's the essence of the person.

01:10:59.000 That's crazy.

01:11:00.000 That's the least compassionate...

01:11:02.000 The least kind way of looking at human beings.

01:11:07.000 That's not how human beings are.

01:11:09.000 We're complicated.

01:11:10.000 That's why those little hit pieces, they're gross and they don't really work.

01:11:14.000 Because people know that.

01:11:16.000 There's probably a lot more to this.

01:11:18.000 Why is this so negative?

01:11:21.000 This is not a balanced version of who that person is.

01:11:24.000 I'm a complex character if I was in a movie.

01:11:26.000 Of course you are.

01:11:27.000 You're an artist.

01:11:29.000 Every artist is complex.

01:11:30.000 I've never met one that isn't.

01:11:32.000 A very, very raw and real look at my life is happening now with Atlas Entertainment.

01:11:42.000 We're making a movie, major movie.

01:11:44.000 Who's going to play you?

01:11:46.000 It's gotta be several me's because my span of my career starts ultimately.

01:11:53.000 You're a kid.

01:11:53.000 I'm a kid.

01:11:54.000 Yeah, I'm already a kid.

01:11:55.000 Maybe they can do CGI, turn you into a kid.

01:11:57.000 You can play yourself.

01:11:58.000 Nah.

01:11:58.000 They can do wild shit.

01:11:59.000 I didn't want to be involved in production, writing, Or acting or anything.

01:12:04.000 I needed to be respected and real, raw.

01:12:06.000 Like, it's not gonna make me look like the greatest guy.

01:12:09.000 It's not gonna make me look like a bad guy.

01:12:11.000 It's just gonna make me look like who I was, you know what I mean?

01:12:13.000 Do you have any say in, like, because...

01:12:16.000 No.

01:12:16.000 One of the things that drives me nuts is when there's a movie and no one was there.

01:12:20.000 And you see, like, this historical figure say some things.

01:12:23.000 And you're like, well, how do I... He didn't really say that.

01:12:26.000 Some fucking writer wrote that shit.

01:12:28.000 This is not a real conversation that this person had with somebody.

01:12:30.000 I spent a lot of time with the writers.

01:12:30.000 This guy Dan is...

01:12:32.000 He's a freaking amazing, talented guy.

01:12:36.000 Yeah, everything is going to be cool.

01:12:38.000 If I have my way, I have an 18-year-old son who's literally me, who I make all my music with.

01:12:46.000 This kid Jalen, he's my son, and he's like one of my best friends.

01:12:50.000 It's like when Ice Cube's son played him.

01:12:52.000 And this kid looks just like me.

01:12:54.000 And at the time I was his age, acts just like me.

01:12:57.000 Perfect!

01:12:58.000 To a point where it's not even normal.

01:13:00.000 So I can't think of anybody better.

01:13:01.000 But we'll get to that.

01:13:03.000 I'm not saying he's going to, but I would love for that to be.

01:13:06.000 And I think anybody could see if this kid's capable.

01:13:11.000 Yeah.

01:13:11.000 And he is me.

01:13:12.000 He's like, you feel me, my mouth, everything, different fucking things.

01:13:17.000 But it's weird when someone's alive and someone's playing that person who's alive.

01:13:22.000 And you know, like, oh, that's not really Scott Storch.

01:13:24.000 You know what I mean?

01:13:25.000 It's weird.

01:13:25.000 It's like a movie about you.

01:13:27.000 You remember when Michael Jai White played Mike Tyson?

01:13:30.000 And Mike Tyson was still...

01:13:32.000 I mean, they were friends.

01:13:32.000 They were cool with each other.

01:13:33.000 But that had to be weird.

01:13:35.000 You're playing a dude who's still alive.

01:13:37.000 Mike Tyson's a special guy.

01:13:39.000 He's a very special guy.

01:13:40.000 He's a very good friend of mine.

01:13:42.000 I'm glad he got through that fight and didn't get hurt.

01:13:44.000 Yeah.

01:13:44.000 That's what I was...

01:13:45.000 I was hoping he would knock Jake Paul out.

01:13:48.000 Just because that's the Cinderella story.

01:13:50.000 I don't have anything against Jake Paul.

01:13:52.000 I like Jake Paul.

01:13:53.000 I think what he's doing is genius.

01:13:54.000 I think what he's doing is, like...

01:13:56.000 I mean, he's got...

01:13:57.000 He's making insane amounts of money.

01:13:59.000 He's having a great fucking time.

01:14:00.000 He's a legit boxer.

01:14:02.000 He's absolutely a legit boxer.

01:14:03.000 Yeah, you can't hate on somebody that works that hard.

01:14:05.000 You cannot.

01:14:06.000 I would never hate on...

01:14:07.000 If you do, you're an idiot.

01:14:08.000 No, I was like, you know what?

01:14:09.000 This guy is fucking really driven.

01:14:11.000 Him and his brother, they're like driven.

01:14:12.000 Like, it's not at all...

01:14:14.000 For sure.

01:14:14.000 Everybody starts somewhere.

01:14:15.000 Yeah.

01:14:15.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:14:16.000 So they were YouTubers or they were on Disney Channel.

01:14:18.000 Who cares?

01:14:19.000 It's what you do with it.

01:14:20.000 But the reality is...

01:14:22.000 Mike is 58 years old, and I was worried.

01:14:25.000 I love that guy.

01:14:26.000 And he was a hero of mine when I was a kid.

01:14:28.000 So to see him 58 years old fighting, part of me was like, fuck.

01:14:32.000 Me and him have fought a lot of the same demons, and we were there for each other in a lot of ways.

01:14:37.000 I talked to him in pretty deep conversations with Mike, and he actually checks on me, and like, yo, you good?

01:14:43.000 And I do the same.

01:14:44.000 That's great.

01:14:45.000 And my friend Rick.

01:14:46.000 We're all kind of like...

01:14:47.000 That's beautiful.

01:14:48.000 Yeah, like...

01:14:49.000 That's beautiful.

01:14:50.000 He's a beautiful person.

01:14:51.000 He really is, man.

01:14:52.000 For a guy who was the most terrifying fighter of all time, he's a really nice guy to be around.

01:14:56.000 I felt like I was in the fucking movie Hangover one time because I was hanging out with him in Vegas.

01:15:01.000 I remember we're cruising around in my fucking Bentley Mulsane at the time and he's like, Yo, let's go jam out.

01:15:07.000 We went to the Palms, from my hotel to the Palms, and we rented the studio there just so I could play piano.

01:15:13.000 We're jamming out, playing old records and shit.

01:15:15.000 Oh, that's awesome.

01:15:16.000 But just cruising around Vegas, I was like, damn, this is like fucking hangover.

01:15:19.000 That's awesome.

01:15:21.000 Great dude, man.

01:15:23.000 Vegas is a great example of a place where you have to have balance in.

01:15:26.000 It's like living in Miami to me.

01:15:29.000 You live in Vegas?

01:15:30.000 You should probably live in Henderson.

01:15:31.000 Yeah, right?

01:15:32.000 Live out there.

01:15:34.000 Celine Dion.

01:15:35.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:15:36.000 Live close to the mountains out there.

01:15:37.000 Don't be right in the middle of all that.

01:15:40.000 Attack it from the outside.

01:15:41.000 That's what I did in L.A. When I lived in L.A., I lived like an hour outside L.A. I never lived...

01:15:46.000 I did when I first moved there, and then I slowly started moving further and further away until I got about an hour outside.

01:15:51.000 Because I am not comfortable in L.A. anymore.

01:15:53.000 I used to be.

01:15:54.000 It's crazy now.

01:15:55.000 I sleep with one eye open.

01:15:56.000 Yeah.

01:15:57.000 I sold my house.

01:15:58.000 I got rid of that fucking place in the valley of just home invasions everywhere.

01:16:02.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

01:16:04.000 It's like what they've done to that city in a short amount of time is shocking.

01:16:08.000 I never thought it would go that bad that fast.

01:16:11.000 And it's the way it is now.

01:16:12.000 It's...

01:16:13.000 Bizarre.

01:16:15.000 I always say that it's like a girl that used to date.

01:16:18.000 She was really cute, but now she does meth and she works for the cartel.

01:16:22.000 What happened to you?

01:16:23.000 The pandemic happened.

01:16:23.000 You just remember her from when she was so sweet and cool.

01:16:27.000 Well, the pandemic was the reason why the government was able to fuck up that city.

01:16:35.000 The pandemic was just, that was their way to fuck up the city.

01:16:38.000 Dude, there were stacks of bricks.

01:16:40.000 On the street.

01:16:41.000 We all know where that came from.

01:16:43.000 Stacks of bricks.

01:16:44.000 It's somebody left there hoping someone would throw through windows.

01:16:47.000 Starting riots.

01:16:48.000 That's some weirdo shit, bro.

01:16:49.000 It's correct.

01:16:50.000 It's spooky and scary.

01:16:51.000 It's spooky.

01:16:52.000 I don't like to go full Batman on this, but it's like there's evil villains out there that are pulling the strings of the world.

01:16:59.000 And that's real.

01:17:00.000 Those fucking protests are organized, man.

01:17:02.000 People spend a lot of money to organize those things and then put bricks out.

01:17:06.000 The whole thing was designed to disrupt society.

01:17:08.000 And then the defund the police bullshit, how anybody bought into that is so crazy.

01:17:14.000 Reform the police, yeah.

01:17:15.000 Train the police better, yeah.

01:17:17.000 But defund them?

01:17:18.000 Are you fucking crazy?

01:17:19.000 Yeah, let's just all not be safe.

01:17:20.000 Are you out of your fucking mind?

01:17:22.000 Do you not know the law of the jungle?

01:17:24.000 Do you not know the real streets?

01:17:25.000 Let me know when your house gets robbed.

01:17:27.000 You're not going to get a cop.

01:17:29.000 It's not coming now.

01:17:30.000 I have had so many friends that completely flipped a 180 after they got robbed.

01:17:35.000 Yeah, right?

01:17:36.000 180. They're Trump supporters now.

01:17:38.000 It's crazy.

01:17:39.000 It's like, what do you mean?

01:17:39.000 People that were like, full-on liberals.

01:17:42.000 And then they get a gun pointed in their face, and all of a sudden they're like, oh, this is what we signed up for?

01:17:47.000 You're just letting these people out?

01:17:49.000 You arrest these people and let them out?

01:17:51.000 And then they just do it again?

01:17:52.000 And they get arrested?

01:17:53.000 What the fuck?

01:17:55.000 The assistant to the DA in New York just got attacked.

01:18:00.000 Just got, by some guy who had been, see if you can find this, he got robbed by some guy who had been arrested some insane amount of times since 2023. I was looking at the story online.

01:18:11.000 I was like, this is so crazy that this person just keeps getting out and keeps robbing people and then just robbed the assistant to the DA. Alvin Bragg?

01:18:19.000 ROR it out.

01:18:20.000 Suspected gang member accused of exposing himself robbing Manhattan District.

01:18:25.000 Exposing himself?

01:18:25.000 He pulled his dick out and he robbed him.

01:18:28.000 Exposing himself is funny.

01:18:30.000 Go to the headline.

01:18:32.000 Exposing himself is first.

01:18:34.000 The robbing part?

01:18:36.000 That second.

01:18:37.000 But he showed him his penis.

01:18:38.000 That is unbelievable.

01:18:41.000 Unbelievable.

01:18:42.000 What is wrong with this world?

01:18:43.000 I don't mean to laugh about it, but it's just like, it's comedy, bro.

01:18:46.000 It's like satire almost.

01:18:48.000 Brandon Samosa confronted the 38-year-old victim in the hallway of her building on West 44th Street around 2 a.m.

01:18:53.000 Authorities say he grabbed the victim's purse, cell phone, and bank card before exposing himself.

01:18:58.000 He pulled his dick out after he robbed her.

01:19:01.000 He robbed her first, but they put it exposing himself, the most horrible thing that he did.

01:19:06.000 Police were able to track the phone and eventually arrest him near a hotel on West 45th Street, 8th Avenue on Tuesday, leading authorities to believe the suspect is a migrant.

01:19:14.000 Possession of drugs.

01:19:15.000 No, they know who the guy is, Jamie.

01:19:17.000 They caught the guy.

01:19:19.000 See if you can find a more updated version of it.

01:19:21.000 Because he was arrested a ton of times since 2023. Exposing themselves makes more sense now, that it's a lady.

01:19:30.000 I thought...

01:19:31.000 What's that, Jamie?

01:19:31.000 It's still on there.

01:19:32.000 Oh, okay, right there.

01:19:33.000 He's been arrested six times in the last five months for similar crimes.

01:19:37.000 Six times.

01:19:38.000 Wouldn't you think, after five times, they go, hey, maybe this guy's a real criminal.

01:19:42.000 Yeah, we might need to lock him up.

01:19:43.000 Maybe we'd need to put him in jail.

01:19:44.000 Maybe he's a real criminal.

01:19:45.000 Nope.

01:19:46.000 Keep him out there.

01:19:47.000 There's reasons.

01:19:48.000 Jesus Christ.

01:19:49.000 That's the world we're living in now, and that's LA, and that's New York, and that's a lot of places that got fucked up by incompetent people.

01:19:56.000 I don't know.

01:19:56.000 I just feel safer knowing, like...

01:19:58.000 Pull this microphone.

01:19:59.000 Oh, I feel safer knowing that Trump is in office.

01:20:03.000 I do too.

01:20:04.000 I feel great about it.

01:20:05.000 What I don't feel safer is right now they're launching missiles into Russia.

01:20:10.000 How are you allowed to do that when you're on the way out?

01:20:13.000 The people don't want you to be there anymore.

01:20:14.000 This should be some sort of a pause for significant actions that could potentially start World War III. Maybe that would be a good thing that we would like to avoid from a dying former president.

01:20:28.000 The whole thing is nuts.

01:20:30.000 I mean, look, I don't know shit about politics.

01:20:32.000 Zelensky says Putin is terrified.

01:20:35.000 Fuck you, man.

01:20:37.000 Fuck you people.

01:20:38.000 You fucking people are about to start World War III. Yeah, it's crazy.

01:20:42.000 Russia fired a missile today.

01:20:44.000 Yeah, they fired an intercontinental ballistic missile for the first time ever.

01:20:48.000 It's the first time one of those has ever been used.

01:20:50.000 That's insanity.

01:20:51.000 It's fucking insanity, because those intercontinental ballistic missiles can have nukes on them.

01:20:55.000 This one didn't, but if it does, the whole world changes, and it changes because the military-industrial complex, and it changes because the money that's going to Ukraine, and it changes because the outgoing president, or whoever the fuck is actually running the country, has decided to do something fucking insane.

01:21:12.000 Fucking insane.

01:21:14.000 And we're all sitting there watching it and people are cheering it on.

01:21:18.000 CNN was saying, like, finally.

01:21:20.000 See what their headline was about Zelensky using, about Biden giving Zelensky the ability to use long-range missiles.

01:21:28.000 U.S. made long-range.

01:21:30.000 It's not like nobody knows where they came from.

01:21:32.000 It's not like nobody knows we've been funding this.

01:21:34.000 It's a proxy war.

01:21:35.000 The whole thing is fucking insane.

01:21:37.000 It's insane.

01:21:40.000 Come to the negotiation table.

01:21:41.000 Sit down.

01:21:42.000 Work this out.

01:21:43.000 Stop killing everybody.

01:21:44.000 U.S. allows Ukraine to use long-range missiles.

01:21:46.000 So what did they say?

01:21:49.000 Someone had said that, like, CNN was saying that it was a good thing, which I think is – how?

01:21:56.000 How has the left gone so far crazy that they think it's a good thing to launch missiles?

01:22:04.000 Just – That's what's scary about life.

01:22:07.000 You don't want to pay attention to that shit.

01:22:09.000 You just want to live your life.

01:22:10.000 You want to just be carefree and have fun and do the thing that you're passionate about.

01:22:15.000 And meanwhile, the world is burning.

01:22:17.000 You can't do anything about it.

01:22:18.000 At that high level, it's like there's nothing...

01:22:21.000 Well, we can.

01:22:22.000 We voted Trump in.

01:22:23.000 Yeah.

01:22:23.000 His idea is to stop all this shit and hopefully he can do that.

01:22:27.000 Yeah.

01:22:27.000 But, you know, man.

01:22:29.000 Fuck.

01:22:30.000 It's scary.

01:22:30.000 I feel like none of the fucking problems between the Ukraine and Russia would have been exacerbated as far as they went had Trump been in office.

01:22:42.000 I'd like to think that.

01:22:43.000 I genuinely believe that he has a way of keeping the peace in a certain way and, like, Well, as soon as he got elected, the Taliban said, let's form a truce.

01:22:54.000 You know, Hamas is saying, let's cease fire.

01:22:57.000 Everybody is saying these things like right away.

01:23:00.000 China was saying, we'd like to do business with America.

01:23:02.000 Russia was saying that.

01:23:03.000 Like, let's fucking calm everybody down.

01:23:06.000 Stop being so fucking tribal.

01:23:07.000 You're so crazy that you think that everything the left is doing is right because you're on the left.

01:23:13.000 This is insanity.

01:23:14.000 And for anybody that's a left-wing progressive person to think that somehow or another missiles are a good thing, God damn it.

01:23:22.000 God damn it, you people out of your fucking minds.

01:23:25.000 How can you think that's the answer?

01:23:26.000 It's never the answer.

01:23:27.000 This is craziness.

01:23:29.000 Especially with Russia.

01:23:31.000 God damn.

01:23:34.000 Yep.

01:23:35.000 That's the shit that keeps me up at night, man.

01:23:37.000 Oh, I know.

01:23:38.000 When I get paranoid late at night when everyone's asleep, that's the thing that gets me.

01:23:42.000 World War.

01:23:43.000 Because it's happened before, man.

01:23:46.000 The world has been at peace before and then all of a sudden chaos.

01:23:49.000 And to think that that can never happen again...

01:23:52.000 You're wrong.

01:23:53.000 It's happening right now.

01:23:54.000 It's just not happening here, and we don't feel it here, so it doesn't affect our thinking process, and we support things that could lead to it happening here, and we don't even realize we're doing it while we're doing it.

01:24:06.000 As a human being, wouldn't you think that Keeping yourself and the rest of the population of the world safe is priority.

01:24:16.000 Number one.

01:24:16.000 It's priority.

01:24:17.000 That's number one.

01:24:18.000 And peace.

01:24:19.000 And by the way, everybody wants peace.

01:24:21.000 Everybody wants their children to be happy.

01:24:23.000 Everybody wants to be well-fed and healthy.

01:24:26.000 Everybody wants that.

01:24:27.000 Just figure out a way to fucking balance it all out.

01:24:30.000 Yeah.

01:24:31.000 Jesus Christ.

01:24:35.000 Well...

01:24:37.000 We got 60 more days until Trump gets in or whatever it is.

01:24:39.000 How many days is it, Jamie?

01:24:44.000 But who knows?

01:24:45.000 Maybe once it gets in, they'll ramp it up.

01:24:47.000 Who knows?

01:24:48.000 Maybe they'll sabotage his administration.

01:24:50.000 That's what's even more scary.

01:24:52.000 People don't want him in power.

01:24:53.000 And the people that are in power don't want to leave power and they'll try every way they can to keep it.

01:24:57.000 60 days from today.

01:25:00.000 All right.

01:25:00.000 On the news.

01:25:01.000 60 days.

01:25:02.000 Keep your fingers crossed.

01:25:03.000 Yeah.

01:25:03.000 Just hope Putin understands what's going on as well.

01:25:06.000 And Zelensky doesn't do anything stupid.

01:25:08.000 But saying that Putin's terrified.

01:25:10.000 God damn it.

01:25:11.000 It's like you're trying to like tug the tail of a fucking sleeping dragon.

01:25:16.000 Dragon.

01:25:17.000 Yeah.

01:25:18.000 Also, Zelensky, can I get a drug test?

01:25:21.000 Can we just get one drug test before we send you any more money?

01:25:23.000 Like, what are you doing?

01:25:25.000 Are you doing a lot of blow over there?

01:25:27.000 Because this is like blow-like behavior.

01:25:29.000 I'm not responsible for him.

01:25:30.000 But you know what I'm saying?

01:25:31.000 This is like cocaine-like behavior.

01:25:33.000 Putin's fucking scared, man.

01:25:35.000 Putin's terrified.

01:25:37.000 Jacked up.

01:25:37.000 We got him.

01:25:38.000 We got him, man.

01:25:38.000 We got him.

01:25:39.000 Like, what are you talking about?

01:25:40.000 He has nuclear missiles, you fucking monkeys.

01:25:42.000 Jesus Christ.

01:25:43.000 It's my chance right now.

01:25:45.000 Jesus Christ.

01:25:46.000 Cause destruction.

01:25:47.000 Yeah, Putin should not have invaded Ukraine.

01:25:49.000 Yes, 100%.

01:25:50.000 But don't start World War III. Like, there's got to be a way to settle this.

01:25:56.000 There must be.

01:25:57.000 I gotta put some of this into my music.

01:26:00.000 Like, these feelings of, like, even the conversations we're having.

01:26:03.000 One of my best, my favorite anti-war songs is Ghetto Boys.

01:26:07.000 Fuck a war.

01:26:09.000 Bushwick Bill.

01:26:10.000 Willie D told me he wrote that in 40 minutes.

01:26:13.000 I like Ghetto Boys.

01:26:14.000 Love Ghetto Boys.

01:26:16.000 Storytellers.

01:26:17.000 Yes.

01:26:18.000 Like Polo, Cool G Rap.

01:26:20.000 Oh, yeah, man.

01:26:22.000 Cockblocking.

01:26:23.000 Yeah.

01:26:23.000 They were the best storytellers.

01:26:25.000 Oh, my God.

01:26:26.000 Scarface.

01:26:27.000 Yeah.

01:26:28.000 Cool G. The L Street Blues.

01:26:30.000 Yeah.

01:26:31.000 No, I love Cool G Rap.

01:26:32.000 I'm on the verge of committing murder.

01:26:34.000 It's like a whole fucking plot.

01:26:36.000 He had a great flow, too.

01:26:38.000 Yeah.

01:26:38.000 Yeah, he had a great flow.

01:26:40.000 Yeah.

01:26:40.000 Yeah, Cool G Rap was awesome.

01:26:42.000 Hip-hop's different these days.

01:26:44.000 I heard he's like a...

01:26:45.000 Someone told me he's a devout religious man now.

01:26:48.000 Really?

01:26:49.000 See if that's true.

01:26:50.000 I always wondered what happened to that dude.

01:26:52.000 That was a guy that I felt like didn't get his due on the world stage.

01:26:57.000 People don't respect him for as good as he really was.

01:27:01.000 Because I would tell some young guys about Coogee Rap, they don't even know who he is.

01:27:05.000 And I played music in the green room.

01:27:07.000 You ever hear the brand new heavies?

01:27:09.000 Like the jazz band when they linked up with a bunch of rappers?

01:27:13.000 The Heavy Rhyme Experience?

01:27:14.000 Have you ever heard that album?

01:27:15.000 Of course.

01:27:16.000 Coogee Rap's Death Threat is the best track On that.

01:27:20.000 I played that shit in the green room of the mothership and I was like, what is this, man?

01:27:24.000 Yeah, he's saying some shit.

01:27:25.000 Yes, he's saying some shit and it's with the brand new Heavys playing the music.

01:27:29.000 Funky, yes.

01:27:30.000 Fucking tremendous.

01:27:32.000 Jazz.

01:27:32.000 Tremendous.

01:27:33.000 They did a great thing with Gangstar, too.

01:27:35.000 Yep.

01:27:35.000 They have a great song with Gangstar, too, that's on that.

01:27:39.000 Yeah.

01:27:40.000 I love...

01:27:40.000 That's where I entered into my...

01:27:43.000 Passion and love for hip-hop is that era.

01:27:46.000 Yeah.

01:27:46.000 I was saying that earlier.

01:27:47.000 That's one of my favorite eras.

01:27:49.000 Nas, Illmatic, Godson.

01:27:54.000 That's almost like the Sgt. Pepper is a rap.

01:27:57.000 Illmatic.

01:27:58.000 Yeah, man.

01:27:59.000 Oh my god, and how old was he when he made that?

01:28:01.000 He was young, man.

01:28:02.000 Really young.

01:28:03.000 I was about to say, One Love.

01:28:04.000 Yeah.

01:28:05.000 Genius.

01:28:06.000 How about Rewind?

01:28:07.000 Yeah.

01:28:07.000 Rewind is one of the most genius rap songs of all time.

01:28:11.000 Yeah.

01:28:12.000 It tells a story backwards.

01:28:14.000 Yeah.

01:28:15.000 Insane.

01:28:15.000 And it's genius, and it's fun, and the flow's great.

01:28:19.000 Mind-melting shit, bro.

01:28:21.000 I think Nas is my all-time favorite lyricist.

01:28:24.000 It's like Nas and then everybody else is like, I mean, I love them all, but to me Nas is a special lyricist.

01:28:32.000 His lyrics are special.

01:28:33.000 He's got so many oh moments.

01:28:36.000 Where you're listening to me and you're like, oh!

01:28:38.000 Oh!

01:28:39.000 It's not even just punchlines.

01:28:41.000 It's like the whole subject matters.

01:28:43.000 The way he describes...

01:28:44.000 The way he hits things.

01:28:45.000 He can paint a picture.

01:28:46.000 He paints a picture.

01:28:47.000 But the way he chooses his words.

01:28:49.000 Like, we were listening to Get Down last night.

01:28:52.000 Oh my god.

01:28:53.000 God damn, that's good.

01:28:55.000 A word choice.

01:28:56.000 M is, to me, one of the greats of that.

01:29:00.000 Oh, for sure.

01:29:01.000 Saying things in a different amount of syllables or a word that you wouldn't expect.

01:29:05.000 It's just real creative shit.

01:29:07.000 I love Jadakiss and Style Speed.

01:29:11.000 I think Jadakiss is in my top tops.

01:29:15.000 DMX. My workout music is Wu-Tang Clan.

01:29:19.000 Oh, yeah.

01:29:20.000 That's my workout music.

01:29:22.000 Gravel Pit, when you're hitting the bag.

01:29:23.000 Of course.

01:29:24.000 You know?

01:29:25.000 And whenever we do shows, we have like a ritual.

01:29:28.000 Like when we're driving to the arena, especially if we're getting a police escort, which is the craziest shit of all time.

01:29:35.000 You're going to do a show and you got a police escort.

01:29:37.000 And we always listen to Protect Your Neck.

01:29:40.000 Like, oh, we got to play it.

01:29:41.000 Like, okay, here we go.

01:29:42.000 Let's go.

01:29:43.000 Protect your neck.

01:29:44.000 Let's go.

01:29:44.000 We're on our way to the arena.

01:29:46.000 And then once we get in the door, I'm your boogeyman.

01:29:50.000 KC and the Sunshine Band.

01:29:53.000 Boogeyman.

01:29:53.000 I'm your boogeyman.

01:29:55.000 Yeah, like, just to get everything going.

01:29:57.000 Like, let's go.

01:29:58.000 KC. You mentioned his name, I have to do it.

01:30:03.000 I see him at the Hit Factory in Miami one time.

01:30:06.000 I was like, wow, let's fuck KC. KC and the Sunshine Band.

01:30:10.000 And we meet, and he's like, I saw your MTV Cribs, and I'm just gonna tell you.

01:30:15.000 I spend more on my flowers and my orchids than you probably do on your cars every month.

01:30:21.000 I was just like, what the fuck?

01:30:24.000 Wow.

01:30:24.000 What a weird flex.

01:30:25.000 What a weird flex.

01:30:26.000 I was like, okay.

01:30:27.000 Okay.

01:30:28.000 Cool.

01:30:28.000 I think you're wasting money because then flowers are going to die.

01:30:30.000 Right.

01:30:31.000 And I got a Bugatti.

01:30:32.000 So to each his own.

01:30:34.000 Bizarre quotes.

01:30:35.000 That doesn't even make any sense.

01:30:36.000 You're getting robbed.

01:30:37.000 Okay?

01:30:38.000 You're getting robbed.

01:30:38.000 Your florist is a piece of shit.

01:30:41.000 Hey, everybody's got their own thing.

01:30:44.000 I know, but you're getting robbed.

01:30:45.000 If you're spending that much money on your flowers, you are getting fucking robbed, sir.

01:30:49.000 He's being facetious, but he was making a point.

01:30:52.000 But that's a crazy flex.

01:30:53.000 It's also a weird way to introduce yourself to somebody.

01:30:56.000 Yeah, I had just met him.

01:30:58.000 But isn't that one of those things where you used to be on top and you want to show everybody you're still on top?

01:31:02.000 Just like you were talking about, like wearing the diamonds and the jewelry.

01:31:05.000 Go up to the guy who's hot right now and say, yeah, I saw your MTV Cribs and guess what?

01:31:09.000 My flowers.

01:31:10.000 Yeah, I spend more money on dirt.

01:31:14.000 Dude, I've seen some crazy shit in my life, bro.

01:31:17.000 I've had some crazy fucking moments for a fucking poor boy that came from nothing and rose to a place where it's like...

01:31:25.000 I've seen life on every side of like...

01:31:28.000 I've seen life as a poor boy.

01:31:29.000 I've seen life as making it, made it, blew it.

01:31:35.000 This, that.

01:31:35.000 I've seen, like...

01:31:37.000 I remember sitting in St. Bards.

01:31:40.000 I had been invited on the boat of pretty successful, very wealthy Russian people that I knew.

01:31:51.000 I know.

01:31:53.000 And sitting there, chilling, doing my normal, like...

01:31:57.000 Just hanging thing and I see a battleship pull up.

01:32:02.000 Like an actual like fucking army or navy or whatever the fuck boat pull up near us.

01:32:09.000 Somebody gets off the tender.

01:32:11.000 Gets on the boat I'm on.

01:32:13.000 And it was Qaddafi's son.

01:32:15.000 Whoa.

01:32:16.000 Yeah.

01:32:17.000 I'm like, what the fuck?

01:32:18.000 This is surreal.

01:32:20.000 Was Gaddafi still alive?

01:32:22.000 Yeah, I forget what year it was.

01:32:23.000 I think it was like 2008. Okay, yeah.

01:32:27.000 So he's probably still alive.

01:32:28.000 Yeah, definitely still alive.

01:32:30.000 He was telling me how his country is becoming much more like Open-minded and normal and this and that.

01:32:37.000 And I had a keyboard.

01:32:39.000 I was jamming out, playing and shit.

01:32:42.000 I'm just such a fucking weirdo.

01:32:43.000 I was playing Java Nagila.

01:32:46.000 I'm just a weirdo, dude.

01:32:49.000 That was funny.

01:32:49.000 But I've seen some shit, man.

01:32:52.000 I've seen the fucking craziest.

01:32:54.000 It's a great American story.

01:32:56.000 That's the great American story, you know?

01:32:58.000 Like, coming from nothing, chasing your dream, making your dream, fucking up your life along the way, but still alive to tell the story, you know?

01:33:05.000 I used to see fucking BMF out at the club all the time, like, be in the club, and I'd be like, you know, these guys over there, they just sent you 20 bottles of Cristal, and you're like, okay, who are they?

01:33:16.000 And they're like, this is the fucking, this is the guys.

01:33:19.000 I'm like, okay, cool, thank you guys, like, they were fucking cool as shit to me every time I see them.

01:33:25.000 Weird.

01:33:26.000 Yeah.

01:33:26.000 I never had any drama.

01:33:27.000 I never had any, like, crazy situations happen because I think in terms of, like...

01:33:33.000 I was providing opportunity for a lot of fucking people trying to make it, like rappers from the streets.

01:33:40.000 So people were just always cool with me.

01:33:43.000 I was respectful to everybody around me.

01:33:45.000 Did you ever have a communication with that guy who called you the white devil?

01:33:51.000 No.

01:33:51.000 That was it?

01:33:52.000 That was it.

01:33:53.000 You ever talked to him after that?

01:33:53.000 I knew what I had to do.

01:33:55.000 I had to make my own world and people that love me and be around those people.

01:33:59.000 That's a terrible way to think.

01:34:01.000 Yeah.

01:34:01.000 It's such a terrible way to think that someone, just because of the color of their skin, even though they work with you and you're cool together, that you could just out that person.

01:34:10.000 The other side has endured over the beginning of time.

01:34:15.000 It's like, okay, so what?

01:34:17.000 Whatever.

01:34:17.000 But it just hurt my feelings because it was my fam.

01:34:20.000 Right.

01:34:20.000 I thought, and I guess I just felt like...

01:34:25.000 I just felt fucked up.

01:34:26.000 And I was like, you know what?

01:34:28.000 If anybody knows me, they know that, like, I'm not that devil.

01:34:32.000 Like, I'm the guy that's just loving, like, free-spirited, like, open-minded, like, non-racist.

01:34:40.000 Right, but that doesn't sell headlines, buddy.

01:34:42.000 Yeah, I know.

01:34:43.000 The white devil sells headlines.

01:34:44.000 The white devil gets people feeling better about themselves.

01:34:47.000 I moved to L.A. and started working in Trey's camp, and I felt so much love and respect and, like...

01:34:56.000 I was made to feel like what I was bringing to the table and that crew was like, they were like identifying that shit and they were like praising me and making me feel great.

01:35:07.000 Well, you know the expression?

01:35:09.000 Game recognizes game.

01:35:11.000 Yeah, right?

01:35:12.000 Yeah, that's what it is.

01:35:13.000 People see you and they hear you and they see like, oh, this guy's a wizard.

01:35:16.000 Like, what's going on?

01:35:17.000 Okay, you're staying here for a long time, Scott.

01:35:21.000 I let a lot of people down, man, when I got heavy into drugs, like the Dr. Dre's of the world.

01:35:26.000 It's like, they're trying to hang in there with me like, fuck, bro.

01:35:29.000 At some point...

01:35:31.000 They've got to put me on time out.

01:35:35.000 That's probably good for you too.

01:35:37.000 When you disappoint people that you respect and care for, that's a real emotional rock bottom.

01:35:46.000 Sometimes people need that to course correct.

01:35:48.000 If everything's going great, you have no reason to stop doing blow and partying all night.

01:35:52.000 If everything's perfect, And, you know, there's a lot of people that will enable you to keep that life going because they're feeding off of you.

01:35:59.000 Misery loves company.

01:36:00.000 There's that, but then there's also people that, like, all they want to do is keep you happy because they make a living off of you, and so they don't want to rock the boat.

01:36:08.000 Right.

01:36:08.000 So they don't care, like, if you're destroying yourself.

01:36:12.000 But the truth is...

01:36:26.000 I feel like...

01:36:32.000 Good music on.

01:36:33.000 It may seem good when you're making it, but when you listen to it the next day, because the emotions, it's like a whirlwind of emotions that you feel when you're in that world, like you really feel like Happiness,

01:36:48.000 sadness, this, that, the other, like all these things, all within 10 minutes, you could have all these emotions and it's no good.

01:36:55.000 So how are you going to stay on something that you want to make people feel a certain way?

01:37:00.000 Right.

01:37:01.000 I mean, I've never done coke, but everybody that I know does coke says you can't perform on it.

01:37:06.000 It fucks you up.

01:37:08.000 You don't feel right.

01:37:09.000 No, because you're feeling 20 different emotions inside of a minute.

01:37:13.000 And it's like, you can only think about one thing when you're on it, is that.

01:37:19.000 That's it.

01:37:21.000 So...

01:37:22.000 Yeah, there's no real good Coke stories.

01:37:24.000 Not recommended for anybody.

01:37:25.000 I don't know anybody who's got like a great Coke story.

01:37:28.000 No.

01:37:29.000 Maybe one night.

01:37:30.000 But most Coke stories lead to my life fell apart.

01:37:33.000 No happy ending.

01:37:34.000 No.

01:37:35.000 No happy ending.

01:37:35.000 No, there's no like Coke advocates.

01:37:38.000 There's a lot of marijuana advocates.

01:37:39.000 They'll tell you, marijuana changed my life.

01:37:41.000 Marijuana made me more compassionate.

01:37:43.000 That's me.

01:37:44.000 Marijuana made me a kinder person, more sensitive, more into community, more into love.

01:37:51.000 Nobody says that about cocaine.

01:37:53.000 Cocaine fixed my life.

01:37:55.000 My life is kind of a mess.

01:37:56.000 Then I started doing blow.

01:37:57.000 And then, man, it all just came together.

01:37:59.000 I realized that's what I need.

01:38:01.000 I think I'm a little imbalanced.

01:38:02.000 I just need cocaine every day.

01:38:04.000 I remember being so perplexed.

01:38:07.000 I don't like throwing people under the bus, so I won't say who it is, but one of the most massive people in the world of technology, like in the world of these younger computer guys that became extremely famous,

01:38:25.000 like start people that started Facebooks and this and that, all that type of shit.

01:38:29.000 Like one of those guys, I'm not gonna say who, but like somebody who's fucking so huge, I went to visit him with some friends of mine.

01:38:38.000 I was sitting at a table, whacking it up, and the dude was telling me that he had just had a heart attack a couple of nights before.

01:38:46.000 And then he started talking about how Cocaine is one of the most poorly publicized drugs in the world.

01:38:51.000 I was like, what the fuck am I listening to?

01:38:54.000 Me, even being onto the influence, was like, this is frightening.

01:38:58.000 This was one of those guys, like one of the big, big, like, change the world kind of people.

01:39:04.000 So he was telling you he just had a heart attack, but cocaine is awesome.

01:39:07.000 Yeah.

01:39:10.000 And he's super smart.

01:39:11.000 Yeah.

01:39:12.000 Which is even scarier because you can convince yourself that you're right.

01:39:14.000 The whole world knows who this guy is.

01:39:16.000 Wow.

01:39:16.000 The whole world.

01:39:17.000 But, you know, I don't know.

01:39:20.000 I've had many situations where people so selfishly, even knowing I'm recovering or recovered or whatever the fuck you want to call it, want to have the opportunity to do something.

01:39:33.000 They'll pull me aside like, I always wanted to do a bump with you.

01:39:38.000 Yeah, man, but no.

01:39:40.000 We can't do that, bro.

01:39:42.000 When was the last time you did one?

01:39:43.000 Oh, shit.

01:39:44.000 I mean, I've fallen within the past six months, but, you know, I've got good people around me now.

01:39:51.000 That's good.

01:39:51.000 And, like, the shame and the guilt and everything just prevents you from enjoying that and making, like, even thinking about doing it, like...

01:40:03.000 Can't do anything.

01:40:04.000 That's good.

01:40:05.000 That's good.

01:40:05.000 Hey man, six months is great.

01:40:07.000 Yeah.

01:40:08.000 Six days is great.

01:40:09.000 The whole thing is just, you're gonna fall.

01:40:11.000 And if you fall, get up.

01:40:13.000 Yep.

01:40:13.000 Get up.

01:40:14.000 It's okay.

01:40:15.000 You're a human being.

01:40:16.000 Human beings fuck up.

01:40:17.000 They make mistakes.

01:40:18.000 Yep.

01:40:18.000 Especially when you're dealing with something like addiction.

01:40:21.000 And most people think, that could never be me.

01:40:23.000 That could never be me.

01:40:24.000 I'm not like that.

01:40:25.000 Yeah, it could definitely be you.

01:40:26.000 There's things that trigger it, and it's usually pussy.

01:40:31.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:40:33.000 You have no intention whatsoever of doing something, and all of a sudden, it's right there in front of you.

01:40:40.000 There's a fucking ass-naked girl, and there's a pile of this, and you had like two drinks.

01:40:46.000 You're like, look, I've done it before.

01:40:47.000 I could just do it this one time.

01:40:48.000 Yeah, I'm gonna be okay.

01:40:50.000 Yeah, we'll be okay.

01:40:51.000 And three days later, you're looking out the window like, ah!

01:40:54.000 Like, what the fuck?

01:40:55.000 Bloodshot eyes, like you got pink eye.

01:40:58.000 Yeah.

01:40:59.000 Yeah.

01:41:01.000 But too much going on now, man.

01:41:03.000 That's kind of being the movie.

01:41:04.000 With my single, with like my album, you know, it's just...

01:41:08.000 Well, it seems like you're in a good place.

01:41:10.000 That's great.

01:41:11.000 That's awesome.

01:41:13.000 Well, I think it's so important for people like you to tell your story raw and unedited like you do.

01:41:19.000 Because I think people want to see a person that's been very successful and they want to have this rosy view of what their life was like.

01:41:28.000 People love to build you up, but they love tearing you down.

01:41:32.000 Oh, yeah.

01:41:33.000 It becomes like a...

01:41:34.000 And then for me...

01:41:39.000 Like, in my business, it's such a desperate business.

01:41:43.000 People know I'm of sound mind and at the top of my game and I'm making some fucking fire-ass music.

01:41:51.000 That's a threat for certain people.

01:41:53.000 Of course.

01:41:54.000 So they'll block it and they'll perpetuate the rumors and do whatever the fuck to make sure that I don't get behind.

01:42:01.000 They're like a goalie for the artists.

01:42:03.000 So many huge artists, they don't want me to get with them because they know what's going to happen.

01:42:08.000 I'm going to make better shit.

01:42:11.000 People don't like when someone's talented.

01:42:13.000 And they don't like when someone's successful.

01:42:15.000 Because everybody compares themselves to other people.

01:42:17.000 That's the real problem.

01:42:19.000 Comparison is the thief of joy.

01:42:21.000 Is that Thoreau?

01:42:22.000 Is that who that was?

01:42:25.000 Thomas Jefferson?

01:42:27.000 Yeah, Thoreau is most men lead lives of quiet desperation.

01:42:31.000 But comparison is the thief of joy, that's a real thing, man.

01:42:34.000 And if you're a person that's looking at someone else's success and somehow or another wanting to diminish that, you're doing it to yourself.

01:42:41.000 Whether you realize it or not, you are wasting your own...

01:42:46.000 Precious life energy on hating on a person and that will take away your gift.

01:42:51.000 It'll take away your creativity.

01:42:53.000 It'll take away your ability to be present.

01:42:55.000 They don't see it like that.

01:42:55.000 Because they're fools.

01:42:57.000 That's why they do it in the first place.

01:42:58.000 Job security.

01:42:59.000 It's a foolish venture.

01:43:01.000 And even if it works, even if it works, you're doing yourself into it because you know you're a piece of shit.

01:43:05.000 You know that you've done that to a person.

01:43:07.000 You know you've distorted who that person is just because you want to feel better about your own life.

01:43:12.000 You want someone to falter so that you don't feel, when you're comparing yourself to them, you don't feel inadequate.

01:43:18.000 And that's the reason.

01:43:20.000 It's just pettiness.

01:43:21.000 It's just human weakness.

01:43:23.000 And it's one of its grossest forms.

01:43:25.000 And it's not called out enough.

01:43:26.000 You know, it's a disgusting behavior pattern that's bad for humanity.

01:43:31.000 I genuinely Feel joy and excitement and happiness for friends or colleagues that have success.

01:43:41.000 Yeah, you should.

01:43:42.000 And it's inspiring.

01:43:43.000 I just see so many others that just...

01:43:48.000 Don't look at it like that.

01:43:50.000 Because they're selfish.

01:43:52.000 They're haters.

01:43:52.000 But that's a good thing.

01:43:54.000 And you could say that that's selfish in a way because when you help people and when you're inspired by other people's success and when you enjoy other people's success, you are experiencing a positive thing.

01:44:08.000 And that positive thing is one of the most important aspects of life.

01:44:13.000 To deny yourself that because you can't control your emotions and you can't control your jealousy and your feelings and to like hate on someone.

01:44:22.000 You're denying yourself an opportunity to feel good and you could genuinely feel happy for everyone's success and still be successful.

01:44:30.000 It doesn't take away your success at all.

01:44:33.000 It's just a mental trap and people need to understand that trap.

01:44:38.000 It is insecurity.

01:44:39.000 But it's also a lack of understanding of how your mind works.

01:44:43.000 How the human mind can play little tricks on you and lay traps for you and how jealousy can rear its ugly head and distort your views.

01:44:50.000 We fall into certain ways.

01:44:52.000 Yes.

01:44:52.000 We fall into certain ways.

01:44:54.000 When I was in the fucking limelight and now I'm like in like...

01:44:59.000 Team Hilton, and I'm hanging out with certain people.

01:45:02.000 I'm hanging out with, like, some fucking, like, spoiled brat, lucky sperm club-ass fucking degenerates.

01:45:10.000 And, like, basically competing with who could be the most obnoxious in the crew.

01:45:15.000 Like, you don't see that happening until, like, I looked back at videos and things of me.

01:45:20.000 I was like, dude, what a chump.

01:45:21.000 I was like...

01:45:22.000 Doing that, I was like slowly but surely like turning into that.

01:45:27.000 Yeah.

01:45:27.000 Just to be like, I don't know.

01:45:30.000 That's the shit that's fucked up.

01:45:32.000 You just have to like really always maintain who you really are and like not get lost in that shit and like live for others or try and be...

01:45:41.000 Were we talking about this on the podcast the other day or was it a green room conversation?

01:45:45.000 Someone said that...

01:45:50.000 Personalities are as infectious as diseases.

01:45:55.000 It can be.

01:45:56.000 Someone was saying that like energy, like people's energy is as of infectious as diseases.

01:46:01.000 And when you're around someone that has a great personality and very positive, you get infected by that positivity.

01:46:08.000 You start exuding that.

01:46:08.000 And when you're around shitheads, like fucking dumb asses who just think in a stupid fucking way, you start thinking that way.

01:46:16.000 It's contagious.

01:46:18.000 There's something to it.

01:46:19.000 You gotta be careful about the company we keep.

01:46:22.000 Oh my god.

01:46:23.000 This world is so polluted right now.

01:46:24.000 It's the most important thing.

01:46:26.000 It's the most important thing is your community, right?

01:46:29.000 Your family, your friends, your community, the people that you associate with.

01:46:33.000 And if you're associating with shitheads, you're gonna have a fucked up experience.

01:46:38.000 The less people I come in contact, for me, is the better.

01:46:42.000 Like, I like being home.

01:46:43.000 I like going to nice restaurants, and I like being home.

01:46:46.000 I don't really like going out and fucking...

01:46:49.000 Because all that energy rubs off on you, and people's karma, whatever the fuck it is.

01:46:54.000 Yeah.

01:46:54.000 The anxiety, everything.

01:46:57.000 All the weirdness of people.

01:46:59.000 Comparing with each other.

01:47:00.000 Who's got the better watch?

01:47:02.000 Who's wearing the nicer shoes?

01:47:03.000 Like, what the fuck are we doing?

01:47:05.000 All over that.

01:47:06.000 It's stupid.

01:47:06.000 That's good.

01:47:07.000 You're smart.

01:47:08.000 You're wiser.

01:47:09.000 Yep.

01:47:09.000 It takes time to figure these things out.

01:47:11.000 But better late than never.

01:47:13.000 Yeah, but you still have the art.

01:47:14.000 You still have the desire for the art.

01:47:16.000 I lost that passion that we spoke of earlier for a while, and now it's back like a motherfucker.

01:47:24.000 Beautiful.

01:47:25.000 Yeah, I'm in there like...

01:47:27.000 That's the American success story.

01:47:29.000 And wouldn't you rather that than at the height of your fame with the party and the drugs and the fucking chaos and the falling apart?

01:47:35.000 It's better to just embrace the art.

01:47:38.000 If it's not real, I don't want to fuck with it.

01:47:41.000 I'm not going to chase checks to work on music.

01:47:46.000 I'm going to work on what's great.

01:47:48.000 And that's how you fucking do what's right.

01:47:50.000 You stay in your lane and you do what's...

01:47:53.000 Is there any way to play the single I got coming?

01:47:56.000 Sure.

01:47:57.000 I think I have it.

01:47:58.000 I'm going to show you this girl is 21. Is there a picture?

01:48:02.000 I don't have a picture.

01:48:03.000 You don't have a picture?

01:48:04.000 It's like a...

01:48:07.000 I have a single cover.

01:48:08.000 Yeah, just have the song.

01:48:09.000 I can Google it or something.

01:48:10.000 No, it's all good.

01:48:11.000 I'll show you.

01:48:12.000 But the girl is, like, organic.

01:48:14.000 Like, she doesn't need auto-tune.

01:48:16.000 She's not, like...

01:48:17.000 Like, shit's real, so...

01:48:18.000 This is just an example.

01:48:22.000 Auto-tune is a wild thing.

01:48:23.000 Yeah.

01:48:23.000 Abby Stare.

01:48:26.000 Texture...

01:48:26.000 I mean, I don't see this every day in, like, artists.

01:48:30.000 It's usually, like, some...

01:48:42.000 I feel beat, I'm out clean, sitting in this room Life is quiet all alone But I'm not there and if you cared you'd already know Cause the stories are all just for a show You're finally gone,

01:49:01.000 but at least I have some leniency That I may feel something just because you don't And I go falling hard, no it ain't for the weak So don't try this out We're good to go.

01:49:24.000 We're good to go.

01:50:02.000 We're good to go.

01:50:28.000 Something told me.

01:50:44.000 So, what you're listening to is a girl...

01:50:46.000 That's an amazing voice, man.

01:50:47.000 She writes that shit.

01:50:49.000 See, the conviction...

01:50:50.000 You get a songwriter, a big fancy songwriter to work with some girl and teach her how to have emotion, it's not the same.

01:50:59.000 There she is.

01:51:00.000 It's a lot of Amy Winehouse vibes.

01:51:02.000 Amy Winehouse vibes in that song.

01:51:05.000 In this fact that it's both organic.

01:51:07.000 It's different.

01:51:08.000 Not like she's copying Amy Winehouse, but that vibe of authenticity.

01:51:12.000 Yeah.

01:51:13.000 She's 21?

01:51:15.000 She's 21. Damn.

01:51:16.000 And the emotion is there that comes from...

01:51:19.000 And she writes all that.

01:51:20.000 Yeah, she's like...

01:51:20.000 That's incredible.

01:51:21.000 That shit is not something that could be taught.

01:51:23.000 Put that up again, Jamie?

01:51:24.000 Is that available right now?

01:51:26.000 Can I get that?

01:51:26.000 Yeah.

01:51:27.000 I'm going to add that shit to my Spotify playlist.

01:51:30.000 Right.

01:51:30.000 I'm going to put that on the Green Room playlist right now.

01:51:34.000 On my own.

01:51:38.000 I'm showcasing her.

01:51:39.000 This is my single.

01:51:41.000 It's Scott Storch featuring Abby Stare.

01:51:46.000 I'm part of the making of her album, which already has a bunch of stuff that she made on her own that she made, and then stuff I did with her, and 1217 Records, me and my partner Kevin.

01:52:03.000 That voice is amazing, man.

01:52:05.000 Yo, she's dope.

01:52:07.000 I got some great records.

01:52:08.000 I got records with A-list celebrities.

01:52:11.000 It's not exciting to play, for me, a record with somebody who has already sold millions and millions of records for my project.

01:52:22.000 I made a habit in my career of Breaking artists.

01:52:27.000 I did Chris Brown's first song, and I told him sitting in the studio, I'm going to make you a hit record today.

01:52:34.000 He was like 15, 16, and I did that.

01:52:36.000 We made Run It that day.

01:52:39.000 When I came back into the business after my dark period of just not doing anything except doing drugs, which lasted eight, nine years, I met Steve LaBelle.

01:52:53.000 And Steve, not only were we partners on the rehab center, but he was helping me get back into the music thing.

01:53:00.000 And I was like, yo, get me a meeting with Jay-Z. Get me Beyonce.

01:53:04.000 Get me all the people I made hits for.

01:53:05.000 He's like, fuck no.

01:53:07.000 They're not going to work with you right now.

01:53:09.000 Show them what you're doing.

01:53:10.000 I'm going to give you the best blueprint.

01:53:12.000 Some people like to jump the gun.

01:53:13.000 Yeah, he's like...

01:53:15.000 This artist, this artist, this artist, this artist.

01:53:18.000 These are all new artists.

01:53:19.000 You don't know who they are.

01:53:20.000 But if you make them fire, everybody's going to look at you like you're a fucking get the Heisman Trophy again.

01:53:28.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:53:29.000 Yeah.

01:53:31.000 One by one, every single one of those artists that he put me with that were nobodies at this point, Are all huge right now.

01:53:39.000 Trippie Redd, A Boogie, Roddy Ricch, Russ, who's one of my favorites.

01:53:46.000 Like, I love Russ.

01:53:47.000 I don't know if you're familiar with his music.

01:53:48.000 He's just like, he's got something to say.

01:53:50.000 He's like...

01:53:52.000 He's the man.

01:53:53.000 You gotta fuck with Russ.

01:53:54.000 He's a really serious artist today.

01:53:57.000 I've seen this guy without radio because he has a fan base, a cult fan base, because what he does is so real.

01:54:03.000 Without radio or any shit, he's selling out arenas by himself.

01:54:10.000 That's amazing.

01:54:11.000 Yeah, it's amazing.

01:54:12.000 I love that that's happening today.

01:54:14.000 Yeah.

01:54:14.000 They've kind of taken the gatekeeper.

01:54:17.000 The gatekeeper is out of the equation now.

01:54:19.000 Yeah.

01:54:20.000 All something has to do is be good and get it online.

01:54:23.000 He released 200 songs in one year, just like SoundCloud or whatever the fuck.

01:54:28.000 Wow.

01:54:29.000 200 songs in a year?

01:54:30.000 Yeah.

01:54:31.000 Holy shit.

01:54:32.000 And he just started that consistency.

01:54:35.000 Yeah.

01:54:36.000 It became an acquired taste.

01:54:38.000 So you love watching people make it.

01:54:41.000 Yeah, I like being responsible for that.

01:54:42.000 It's more of a challenge than just, oh, I'm going to make Drake a hit.

01:54:46.000 You know, I really want to work with Drake, but I've been roadblocked with Drake.

01:54:50.000 I know Drake loves...

01:54:52.000 Me and my production, but for whatever reason...

01:54:57.000 I haven't been able to get in.

01:54:58.000 I want to get a hold of Drake and talk to him about his fight picks.

01:55:01.000 That motherfucker loses more money on fights.

01:55:04.000 I want to call him up.

01:55:05.000 Before it's over, I need to get a record off with him.

01:55:09.000 I want to get a record off with him.

01:55:11.000 Wasn't Jon Jones a 600-1 favorite?

01:55:13.000 I mean, well, he had it by KO. It wasn't just a win, but yeah.

01:55:16.000 Well, that's what I would have said anyway.

01:55:19.000 I would not have thought Jon would have...

01:55:20.000 I mean, that's an easy bet.

01:55:23.000 I want to get a record off with Rihanna, too.

01:55:26.000 I had a very uncomfortable meeting with Rihanna and I'm mortified to this day.

01:55:29.000 Uncomfortable because of the cocaine?

01:55:31.000 No.

01:55:31.000 What happened?

01:55:33.000 She was in a VIP in New York years and years ago.

01:55:38.000 And doing her thing and whatever.

01:55:41.000 Obviously people know who I am, so they didn't front on me.

01:55:43.000 They let me up into her table.

01:55:44.000 This was a greenhouse back in the day.

01:55:47.000 And I introduced myself and whatever, and I gave her a hug.

01:55:52.000 And I fucking got hooked onto her hoop earring.

01:55:55.000 My clothes got hooked on!

01:55:56.000 And I'm like, don't move, don't move!

01:55:58.000 Don't move.

01:55:59.000 I almost ripped her fucking ear off accidentally.

01:56:02.000 That walk out of that VIP room was the most mortified, most embarrassing shit I ever fucking felt in my life.

01:56:08.000 Oh, she's cool.

01:56:09.000 I bet she doesn't even remember that.

01:56:12.000 Did I just really do that?

01:56:12.000 I didn't mean to get her ear in.

01:56:14.000 I know, but still.

01:56:15.000 That's an accident.

01:56:15.000 You're that guy at that moment.

01:56:17.000 Oh, no.

01:56:18.000 That guy.

01:56:20.000 So yeah, it haunts me.

01:56:21.000 If I only didn't hook up with that earring.

01:56:24.000 You want to make a good impression and you get her ear ripped off.

01:56:27.000 Yeah.

01:56:29.000 Whatever.

01:56:29.000 Life is full of surprises.

01:56:31.000 Yeah.

01:56:32.000 So, your favorite thing seems to be breaking new people then.

01:56:38.000 Is it because you get to show the world new talent?

01:56:41.000 Does it remind you of you when you were getting your breaks?

01:56:45.000 You're helping sculpt what somebody's sound is going to be, the backbone of where they started, like creating something new.

01:56:54.000 And I think that's a, to me, like, my sound has always been to not have a sound.

01:57:02.000 And like, you know, have like different, like, genetic strains of music.

01:57:07.000 I call them like different things that I brought to the table that nobody else was doing.

01:57:11.000 And then when people start doing it so much, you're honored, copying you, and then you move on to the next thing.

01:57:17.000 But like with artists, you get to like concoct some kind of new vibe with them.

01:57:24.000 I did Beyonce's first solo album when we made a sound.

01:57:27.000 We did three smashes.

01:57:31.000 I did three straight smashes out of three songs I did.

01:57:35.000 One was Baby Boy, Naughty Girl, and Me, Myself, and I. And at that point, I had just moved from L.A., and I had been working with Dre for so many years, and I'm looking at Dre,

01:57:52.000 and I'm like, Dre has his empire, and I need to go off and create my empire, not competing, but doing something different within music and not using that sound that he and I created and sculpted together, which was like the new wave of West Coast music.

01:58:09.000 I moved back to Florida, to Miami, where I hadn't been in eons, because I went from Florida as a kid I lived there until I was 15. I moved to Philly with my dad.

01:58:24.000 And then from Philly to LA. And now I'm going from back to go start my own little world.

01:58:32.000 I'm now rich.

01:58:33.000 And I go home to Florida.

01:58:35.000 I'm rich.

01:58:36.000 And I'm ready to fucking make my own little sound and shit.

01:58:40.000 Create some shit.

01:58:41.000 Beyonce was one of the first contestants.

01:58:44.000 And we fucking solidified that shit.

01:58:47.000 I made history with that album.

01:58:50.000 I remember she did the Grammys, and she thanked God, and then she thanked me first.

01:58:57.000 I have it up.

01:58:58.000 It was one of the biggest honors in the world.

01:59:01.000 We made history.

01:59:05.000 That's the ultimate thing that I want to continue to do.

01:59:10.000 I want to do that with Abby.

01:59:12.000 I feel like once I get driven like that, nothing can stop me.

01:59:18.000 Yeah, I'm going to prove my point.

01:59:19.000 That's beautiful.

01:59:21.000 Scott, it's been great talking to you, man.

01:59:22.000 I really appreciate it.

01:59:23.000 I appreciate you coming down here.

01:59:24.000 It's been a lot of fun.

01:59:25.000 Thanks, man.

01:59:26.000 Wow, we did three hours already.

01:59:27.000 It's close, like two and a half hours now.

01:59:29.000 That's crazy.

01:59:30.000 I could talk, all right?

01:59:31.000 Yeah, man.

01:59:32.000 Well, you got good stories.

01:59:34.000 And you have a good story.

01:59:36.000 Your story is a good story.

01:59:37.000 And like I said, I think it's a great story for people to hear.

01:59:41.000 That's why people like biographies.

01:59:43.000 People like to find out, was it easy for you?

01:59:46.000 Why am I struggling?

01:59:48.000 What is this struggle like?

01:59:49.000 Is it the same for everybody?

01:59:50.000 When you're struggling yourself, you think you're alone.

01:59:53.000 And when you have a dream and you don't know if it's going to come true, you go, was everybody like this?

01:59:58.000 Nothing great comes easy.

01:59:59.000 Nothing.

02:00:01.000 Nothing.

02:00:01.000 Thank you for having me, brother.

02:00:02.000 My pleasure, brother.

02:00:03.000 Pleasure to meet you.

02:00:04.000 Pleasure to hang with you.

02:00:05.000 My man.

02:00:06.000 Appreciate you very much.

02:00:07.000 Sure.

02:00:07.000 All right.

02:00:08.000 Bye, everybody.

02:00:09.000 Bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience - November 22, 2024

Joe Rogan Experience #2233 - Scott Storch

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