The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2238

00:00:03.000 The Joe Rogan Experience.

00:00:05.000 Train by day.

00:00:07.000 Joe Rogan Podcast by night.

00:00:08.000 All day.

00:00:11.000 Good to see you, brother.

00:00:12.000 Yeah, how are you, man?

00:00:13.000 Great, great.

00:00:14.000 It was nice to meet you at F1, and I really loved your episode of Sean Ryan.

00:00:18.000 I fucking love that dude.

00:00:19.000 Thanks, man.

00:00:20.000 Yeah, Sean is...

00:00:21.000 He's the man.

00:00:22.000 He's awesome.

00:00:22.000 I love Sean.

00:00:23.000 I'm so glad there's guys like him doing this, that there's more people like him that are finding new ways to...

00:00:32.000 Media is so wide open now, and you don't have to get hired by a television station anymore.

00:00:39.000 You can just start your own shit, and Sean's show is fucking great.

00:00:42.000 Yeah, he's great.

00:00:42.000 Sean, I love him as a person.

00:00:44.000 Yeah, I love him too.

00:00:45.000 He's great.

00:00:45.000 He's an awesome dude.

00:00:46.000 And I loved you on that show, but goddamn, man, that show was crazy.

00:00:50.000 Like, your childhood was so nuts, dude.

00:00:52.000 Hearing about you living in a brothel when you were 12 years old.

00:00:56.000 Yeah, me and my brother.

00:00:57.000 Fuck, dude.

00:00:58.000 Your whole story was so nuts, man.

00:01:00.000 I was listening to it in the sauna this morning, and I was like, oh my god.

00:01:04.000 So I'm there cooking at 195 degrees listening to you struggling.

00:01:08.000 I was in there for half an hour, which I usually do 20 minutes, but I kept going.

00:01:13.000 I'm like, this life was so fucked up.

00:01:15.000 I feel like I shouldn't bail right now.

00:01:16.000 I should keep listening.

00:01:17.000 I feel like, but I'm not the only one, you know what I mean?

00:01:21.000 I feel like where I was in the Army is full of guys just like that.

00:01:25.000 100%.

00:01:26.000 Yeah.

00:01:26.000 100%.

00:01:27.000 Yeah, and I think in some, well, fighters as well.

00:01:30.000 You know, a lot of fighters that I know, like Sean Strickland, a lot of guys that I know had fighters.

00:01:34.000 Fucked up childhoods.

00:01:35.000 I think it gives you an extra gear.

00:01:38.000 I think when you can get through a childhood like that, you got an extra place that you can go to that other dudes can't go to.

00:01:46.000 And in your line of work, that comes in very handy.

00:01:48.000 Yeah.

00:01:49.000 Well, I think it works like this.

00:01:52.000 I never heard it as an extra gear, but here's the way I always equated it.

00:01:56.000 You know you're going to get a beating, and it's coming at 5 o'clock.

00:02:01.000 Yes.

00:02:02.000 You know after dinner they're going to be hammered.

00:02:06.000 And this is another argument in fight.

00:02:07.000 And it's a pattern, right?

00:02:09.000 And you know this as a kid, right?

00:02:11.000 And what happens is you've got to take that beating and then put your church clothes on.

00:02:16.000 We're going to church.

00:02:17.000 You know what I mean?

00:02:18.000 And the truth is, I think my...

00:02:22.000 My brother more than me, but I think my mom actually had him convinced that we were super bad kids.

00:02:27.000 And like, you know, we were, I don't know, a couple years ago, I was like, you know, like, you ever met an actual bad, like, four or six or eight year old?

00:02:36.000 No, it's how they were raised.

00:02:37.000 It's all now they're raised.

00:02:38.000 And then it was kind of like, I think it was an eye opener for him.

00:02:42.000 But like, it was always our fault.

00:02:45.000 Well, that's the thing.

00:02:46.000 You can convince kids of almost anything.

00:02:48.000 You can convince them that it's their fault.

00:02:50.000 You can convince them that they're bad kids and then they feel bad for the rest of their fucking life.

00:02:54.000 They feel like a piece of shit.

00:02:56.000 There's a lot of people out there that didn't do anything wrong.

00:02:58.000 They're just raised by shitheads and for their whole life they feel like garbage and they don't know why.

00:03:03.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:03:04.000 It's so hard to snap out of that, too.

00:03:06.000 And it takes something for you to do that makes you feel valuable and worthwhile.

00:03:11.000 Like, you have to kind of, like, relearn who you are as a person.

00:03:14.000 Yeah.

00:03:15.000 And some people never do.

00:03:16.000 Yeah.

00:03:16.000 And then they, you know, find meth or heroin or something that takes the edge away.

00:03:21.000 Yeah.

00:03:21.000 And they can just exist.

00:03:23.000 Yeah.

00:03:23.000 Well, I'll tell you, that was the Army for me.

00:03:25.000 Like, the first time I ever felt like Like I fit in or I was with people like me was when I was, you know, in Ranger Battalion.

00:03:35.000 Yeah, I think fighting is the same way.

00:03:37.000 A lot of those guys, the only time they ever feel normal is when they're in a gym with a bunch of other savages.

00:03:43.000 Yeah.

00:03:43.000 It's like guys who want to do that for a living, you know, generally something fucking terribly wrong happened when you were young that put this anger, this monster inside of you.

00:03:54.000 Well, I tell you, I tell people all the time, jujitsu is my sanity.

00:03:59.000 Yeah.

00:03:59.000 Jiu-jitsu is meditation, man.

00:04:01.000 Because if you are doing jiu-jitsu, you can't be thinking about anything else.

00:04:06.000 Right.

00:04:06.000 So it cleans your mind up.

00:04:08.000 You know, we were talking about bow hunting.

00:04:09.000 Yeah.

00:04:10.000 I think that's the same thing.

00:04:11.000 I think in a different way.

00:04:12.000 It's just when you're doing that, it's so difficult.

00:04:15.000 You can't think about anything else.

00:04:17.000 Right.

00:04:17.000 I love when I'm...

00:04:19.000 I don't even care if I get or see an elk today.

00:04:22.000 The places I go to get these elk, I could just sit there all day anyway.

00:04:26.000 I know.

00:04:27.000 You know what I mean?

00:04:27.000 The fact that one of these majestic beasts is going to walk 20 yards from me, fucking bonus!

00:04:33.000 You know what I mean?

00:04:34.000 Yeah.

00:04:34.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:04:36.000 And I feel the same about jujitsu.

00:04:39.000 I always, in jujitsu, when someone does what you call high-level jujitsu to me as it's happening, I don't care if you're smashing my fucking face.

00:04:51.000 That was amazing.

00:04:52.000 Are you kidding me?

00:04:53.000 Let's take a moment here.

00:04:55.000 It's amazing that someone can do that.

00:04:57.000 Yeah.

00:04:57.000 You know, I remember when I was first starting jujitsu, I was like 30 years old and I thought I was a badass.

00:05:04.000 I had kickboxed, I had won a bunch of taekwondo tournaments, I thought I knew how to fight.

00:05:09.000 And I remember one day when I was a white belt, this purple belt just raped me.

00:05:14.000 I mean, he was my size!

00:05:16.000 This was what drove me crazy.

00:05:18.000 He wasn't bigger than me.

00:05:19.000 And he just destroyed me.

00:05:21.000 Just destroyed, just did whatever he wanted.

00:05:23.000 Triangled me, arm-barred me, choked me.

00:05:25.000 And I remember walking out of there going, First of all, what a shift of who you are in the world.

00:05:33.000 Knowing that someone can just do that to you.

00:05:35.000 Not a bigger guy.

00:05:36.000 Someone your size can just...

00:05:37.000 You're helpless.

00:05:39.000 And then I remember thinking, I gotta get good at this.

00:05:43.000 Having that as a skill, that's one of the greatest things you could ever have.

00:05:47.000 Because that's what martial arts was supposed to be when we were kids.

00:05:51.000 That the smaller person could beat the larger person just with technique.

00:05:55.000 Correct.

00:05:56.000 Until Horace Gracie came along, you never really saw that.

00:05:59.000 The bigger guys always won.

00:06:00.000 And then Horace Gracie, all of a sudden, he's killing people from his back.

00:06:03.000 And we're like, what is going on?

00:06:05.000 This is crazy.

00:06:06.000 He's losing.

00:06:07.000 He's not losing.

00:06:08.000 All of a sudden, he's like...

00:06:09.000 He's strangling some guy with his legs.

00:06:12.000 We're like, what the fuck is this?

00:06:14.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:06:15.000 I agree.

00:06:16.000 I tell you, I met Hoist.

00:06:18.000 In the early days, we'd bring Hoist.

00:06:20.000 And Horian was actually the first Gracie I met before Hoist, right?

00:06:24.000 But we'd bring Hoist in and watching these guys, we'd get like 60 guys up on the mat.

00:06:32.000 And this is hard to do.

00:06:33.000 And this is a lot of guys because it's Hoist.

00:06:35.000 And he would...

00:06:36.000 Run through every dude.

00:06:38.000 Every dude.

00:06:40.000 And it was like, not like it was a close match.

00:06:44.000 It was like, whatever dude from the Defoe stepped in front of him was the 12-year-old child against the fucking an adult.

00:06:54.000 You know what I mean?

00:06:54.000 Like, he just fucking handled everybody.

00:06:56.000 And I remember one of those times, he just fucking, I did something, and he cinched down on me like a spider, and I couldn't fucking move.

00:07:04.000 And he goes, yes, I did not think of this.

00:07:06.000 This is a good move.

00:07:07.000 And I was like, I don't even know what the fuck I'm doing.

00:07:10.000 You know what I mean?

00:07:11.000 I wasn't even a white belt yet.

00:07:13.000 He was just fucking me up, you know?

00:07:14.000 But I knew, like, right then and there, I was fucking helpless.

00:07:18.000 Yeah, it's a weird feeling.

00:07:20.000 And like, yo, unacceptable.

00:07:22.000 You know what I mean?

00:07:23.000 Yeah, right?

00:07:24.000 Unacceptable.

00:07:24.000 That's the right word, yeah.

00:07:26.000 Like, you gotta learn this.

00:07:27.000 You gotta know some of it, you know what I mean?

00:07:29.000 And even back then, like, we would all tell Hoist, you know, because we were more Muay Thai, we would train a lot of Muay Thai, boxing, right?

00:07:37.000 Wrestling, a lot of wrestling, you know, before the Jits.

00:07:40.000 And like, we would tell Hoist back then, as soon as you learn to punch, you are super dangerous.

00:07:46.000 Which is, I think, where it is now.

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00:09:49.000 There's, like, so many elite wrestlers now that have learned submissions, and that extra skill of being able to throw bodies around is another level.

00:10:00.000 I agree.

00:10:01.000 Because wrestlers can learn jiu-jitsu pretty easy.

00:10:03.000 An elite wrestler, you take a guy like a Bo Nickel or a Daniel Kornier, teach them jiu-jitsu.

00:10:08.000 Hamzat Chemaev's the best example of that.

00:10:11.000 You teach a guy like that submissions, he already knows how to ragdoll people.

00:10:14.000 So he has this ability to take everybody down, and then on top of that, he's gonna break your neck.

00:10:21.000 I think wrestling is like the foundation.

00:10:25.000 That's the one thing, because then you can dictate whether the fight goes to the ground or stays up.

00:10:29.000 Yes.

00:10:30.000 And then, once you learn submissions, which is pretty easy for a wrestler to learn, it's pretty similar.

00:10:36.000 It's the same sport.

00:10:37.000 I used to wrestle, and it's like the cradle for the pin versus an armbar, right?

00:10:42.000 Sure.

00:10:42.000 In my opinion.

00:10:42.000 Darce jokes.

00:10:43.000 All these different things come from similar positions.

00:10:45.000 But then, stand-up.

00:10:47.000 You have to have stand-up today.

00:10:50.000 I've been talking about this a lot.

00:10:52.000 I don't think...

00:10:54.000 I think when you have a fight, and it's five rounds, let's say of a fight, if a guy's mounted on top of a guy at the end of the first round, I think the second round should start with that guy mounted on top of you.

00:11:04.000 I don't think they should start standing up, because it doesn't make any sense.

00:11:08.000 Like, you didn't earn that stand-up.

00:11:09.000 That guy took you down, he got on top of you, he's mounted on you, you're about to get fucked up, and then all of a sudden you have a reprieve from the governor, because the round is over, and now you're standing up again.

00:11:19.000 And if you're a striker, that's your world.

00:11:22.000 But you didn't earn that position.

00:11:24.000 It's one fight.

00:11:24.000 It's not five fights.

00:11:26.000 It's one fight.

00:11:27.000 So why should you have a beginning of every round where you're standing up?

00:11:30.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:11:31.000 I agree with that.

00:11:32.000 If I could change the rules, that's the first rule that I would change.

00:11:35.000 I would say, whatever position you were in at the end of the round, that's where you start.

00:11:39.000 I completely agree with that.

00:11:41.000 And I always feel like that it just fucks shit up.

00:11:44.000 You know what I mean?

00:11:45.000 And then, you know this, doing jujitsu is like, seconds matter.

00:11:49.000 And this fight could turn around in seconds, but those seconds can't happen if we stop this early.

00:11:55.000 100%.

00:11:56.000 Yeah.

00:11:56.000 I agree with that.

00:11:57.000 Well, the early days were wild, right?

00:11:59.000 Because there was no time limit.

00:12:00.000 That's what I watched.

00:12:01.000 The early days is my heyday.

00:12:03.000 Like, I could not get enough.

00:12:05.000 I was, you know, a fight dummy for hoist for...

00:12:11.000 Sakuraba.

00:12:11.000 Who else?

00:12:12.000 Oh, Hoyce.

00:12:13.000 So, okay, I'll tell you a quick story about Hoyce.

00:12:15.000 He comes out.

00:12:16.000 We're doing jits with him.

00:12:18.000 And I'm a new guy.

00:12:20.000 So I'm like, hey, you could share my wall locker, right?

00:12:23.000 And you got a wall locker and you got like your towel because the shower's down the hallway.

00:12:27.000 You know what I mean?

00:12:28.000 Like I have my clothes, right?

00:12:30.000 And then So Hoist put his family pictures, and I didn't notice this, but they slowly did this.

00:12:37.000 Him and my team re-tagged everything with, like, my last name and team numbers with Hoist, right?

00:12:44.000 So they re-tagged all my gear as Hoist, right?

00:12:47.000 Hoist put his kids' pictures up over mine, right?

00:12:50.000 And one day I'm in my locker like...

00:12:53.000 Is this my locker?

00:12:54.000 Like, what the fuck?

00:12:55.000 What the fuck is going on?

00:12:56.000 And I'm like, whose kids are these?

00:12:59.000 And then Hoise is like, you know, yes, you like my kids?

00:13:02.000 And I'm like, oh, those are your kids?

00:13:04.000 Like, no, this is cool, right?

00:13:07.000 Years later, I'm in Iraq, and I'm like, I gotta go for, like, one of these surges into Fallujah with another squadron, and, like, their ops arm major calls me by name, and it's like, I've been in Iraq, like, 30 seconds, these guys are calling me by name, like, what the fuck, you know?

00:13:22.000 And then he was like, we're getting your stuff.

00:13:25.000 It's on the helicopter.

00:13:27.000 You need to get on this little bird.

00:13:29.000 We're leaving like 20 minutes.

00:13:30.000 And literally I got on the little bird.

00:13:32.000 They bring my kid over.

00:13:34.000 I get my shit on, right?

00:13:35.000 And they're like, yo, whose shit is it?

00:13:37.000 Hey, Royce?

00:13:38.000 Is there a Royce?

00:13:39.000 Royce?

00:13:40.000 You know what I mean?

00:13:41.000 And then like my bag is fucking still tagged with Royce's name.

00:13:45.000 That's hilarious.

00:13:46.000 That's hilarious.

00:13:47.000 So you started training martial arts when you were in the military?

00:13:52.000 In the unit, yeah.

00:13:53.000 In the unit.

00:13:54.000 So did they have, like, was it, like, technical training?

00:13:58.000 Did they teach you?

00:13:59.000 Did they have, like, real instructors?

00:14:02.000 Yeah.

00:14:02.000 How does it work?

00:14:03.000 Yeah, so in training, when you kind of make it to the unit, there's a hand-to-hand program.

00:14:08.000 A lot of the hand-to-hand program is, like, traditionally, like, you gotta cuff people.

00:14:13.000 You know what I mean?

00:14:14.000 Like, which is all Japanese wrist locks, which is the foundation for a lot of shit, right?

00:14:19.000 But you learn that stuff, like how if you have a weapon, how to approach somebody, if they grab your weapon, what to do.

00:14:27.000 So it was all like weapon-focused, more like self-defense.

00:14:32.000 But I think back then in my day, right, in the 90s, it was still, bro, come at me like this.

00:14:38.000 You know what I mean?

00:14:39.000 And you're like, why the fuck would I stand like this ever?

00:14:42.000 Like, what the fuck was I doing that got me here?

00:14:44.000 You know what I mean?

00:14:45.000 Like, so it was always some, back then there was a lot of hocus pocus.

00:14:50.000 So we kind of had our own training program.

00:14:54.000 And then as my years, the training program got better because we started getting hoist.

00:14:59.000 We started ground fighting, you know?

00:15:00.000 I think the premise for everything they taught in my day when I was a student Was like, you know, weapons retention, Japanese wrist lock to get someone cuffed, you know, two-man cuffing procedures, searching, and then like how to defend yourself if someone grabbed your weapon or if you went to the ground, right?

00:15:20.000 Right, which is all stuff you have to know.

00:15:21.000 Right.

00:15:22.000 But there wasn't a lot of, like, just one-on-one.

00:15:25.000 No, no.

00:15:26.000 It's like, you know, you're in the gym, they roll out the wrestling mat, and it's like, okay, come at the guy, like, with your rifle.

00:15:34.000 You know, a bunch of fucking white belts, basically, like, out there fucking around, basically.

00:15:39.000 Was there a system, like a training system?

00:15:44.000 Yeah.

00:15:44.000 There was a system back then, and the system was really, I think, kind of for things without really knowing what they did back then.

00:15:55.000 I went through the training, but I don't really know what the...

00:15:58.000 Hand-to-hand was back then until later when I was in the hand-to-hand program or fighting with guys.

00:16:05.000 You know what I mean?

00:16:06.000 I would say this.

00:16:07.000 Back then, I'd say it was wrestling.

00:16:09.000 It was Muay Thai.

00:16:12.000 It was a little bit of Japanese wrist locks and some Filipino martial arts.

00:16:18.000 Oh, like Kali.

00:16:20.000 Kali, yeah.

00:16:21.000 We had guys that would do the sticks.

00:16:22.000 I know a little bit of the sticks.

00:16:24.000 You know, like, first time I got smacked 37 fucking times around the head.

00:16:28.000 It was another guy.

00:16:29.000 This guy with his sticks.

00:16:31.000 It was like, what the fuck was that?

00:16:32.000 Like, how do these sticks move so fucking fast?

00:16:35.000 Dudes who are good with that are very impressive.

00:16:37.000 Yeah, super impressed.

00:16:37.000 So I think that was really the foundation.

00:16:40.000 And maybe some, I don't know, dirty boxing, I would kind of imagine.

00:16:46.000 You know what I mean?

00:16:47.000 Clinching.

00:16:47.000 Yeah, clinching, punching, stuff like that.

00:16:50.000 How did the Filipinos develop that stick fighting?

00:16:53.000 Where did that come from?

00:16:54.000 I don't know, man.

00:16:55.000 Weird that one culture is known for their stick fighting.

00:16:58.000 Yeah.

00:16:59.000 Kind of odd, right?

00:17:00.000 But I love all that.

00:17:02.000 The stick fighting.

00:17:03.000 What do they call it?

00:17:04.000 Pontouken or whatever.

00:17:06.000 The dirty boxing they do.

00:17:08.000 All very make your opponent off balance at the same time you can strike.

00:17:14.000 Or if they are trying to strike you, knock them off balance.

00:17:18.000 Yeah.

00:17:18.000 I've always been so fascinated how different cultures have a completely different approach to fighting.

00:17:25.000 Like the ties figured out the best way to fight stand-up.

00:17:29.000 Kick the shit out of the legs.

00:17:31.000 Fucking kick his leg.

00:17:32.000 Elbow the fuck out of people in the clinch.

00:17:34.000 Plung, knees, knees to the body, knees to the face.

00:17:38.000 They figured out striking in a way that nobody else had.

00:17:41.000 It's weird that they did it.

00:17:43.000 And I think it's just because of the competition all the time and the betting.

00:17:47.000 Because they were fighting so often and they had so much money on the line for fighting that they developed a very pragmatic way of fighting.

00:17:55.000 Because they were fighting all the time as opposed to karate or any of those other things.

00:18:00.000 I don't think they were really fighting as much.

00:18:02.000 Well, I mean, think about America.

00:18:04.000 Like, prior to Mike Tyson, boxing was kind of like...

00:18:07.000 Americans, if they would have seen, like, Hicks and Gracie, you know, if Hicks and Gracie would have been popular in, like, the 70s or 60s, people would have been, like...

00:18:18.000 Well, that's not civilized fighting.

00:18:20.000 You know what I mean?

00:18:21.000 Like, get your dukes up.

00:18:22.000 This has got to be fair.

00:18:23.000 You know what I mean?

00:18:24.000 Americans have a very fair sense of what fighting should be.

00:18:29.000 Like, Americans hate, like, dirty fighting.

00:18:31.000 But, you know, all Muay Thai and Kali and all that, that was all seen, you know, those guys would come from Asia, fight around the States here, fucking kick everyone's ass, and people still weren't attracted to it.

00:18:45.000 Did you ever see, there's one fight that's like one of the most important fights in kickboxing, where Rick Rufus, who is like the king of American style kickboxing, like above the waist kickboxing, fought this Thai guy.

00:18:57.000 I forget how, I can't pronounce the guy's name correctly, so I don't want to butcher it.

00:19:01.000 And Rick Rufus was fucking him up in the beginning.

00:19:03.000 He dropped him.

00:19:04.000 He had him in real trouble.

00:19:05.000 Rick Rufus was really good.

00:19:06.000 But this dude just kept chopping at the legs, chopping at the legs.

00:19:10.000 And by the end of the fight, Rick's in a heap on the ground.

00:19:13.000 And his own brother, Duke Rufus, who became a world Muay Thai champion himself later and became one of the best trainers in MMA. So this is the fight.

00:19:21.000 What happened?

00:19:23.000 Oh, that's his name?

00:19:25.000 Good luck saying that one.

00:19:28.000 But, oh this is not, this is a different, this is like a compilation of a bunch of different people fighting, that's not.

00:19:37.000 This is it, the fight that changed kickboxing.

00:19:40.000 So this fight, well this isn't it, this is a bunch of other shit.

00:19:45.000 Go into the fight itself.

00:19:48.000 Chuck Norris!

00:19:49.000 I've seen Chuck in there!

00:19:50.000 Chuck was legit!

00:19:52.000 So this is the fight.

00:19:53.000 So in the beginning, Rick Rufus, who's like this above-the-weight kick, he drops him with the left hand.

00:19:58.000 Rick was really fucking good, man.

00:20:00.000 He was really good.

00:20:00.000 But they just didn't know anything about the leg kicks.

00:20:03.000 And after the fight, his brother Duke was like, well, I don't think there's any skill involved in kicking the legs.

00:20:08.000 And he was saying that, look, he drops him again.

00:20:11.000 So he dropped him two times.

00:20:12.000 Looked like Rick is fucking him up.

00:20:13.000 But this Thai guy, he's probably had 200 fights, and he just keeps kicking at the legs.

00:20:19.000 And after a while, Rick's legs are just dead.

00:20:21.000 I mean, the Thai guy's getting lit up.

00:20:25.000 But Rick became an unbelievable leg kicker himself after this.

00:20:30.000 But no one knew.

00:20:32.000 They just didn't know.

00:20:33.000 So as the fight goes on, and this is like a huge challenge match.

00:20:39.000 He drops him with this leg kick.

00:20:41.000 After a while, Rick just can't move anymore.

00:20:44.000 And this dude...

00:20:45.000 He ain't even running away well.

00:20:47.000 No, his legs are dead right now.

00:20:49.000 And he's just getting...

00:20:50.000 Every time this tie is kicking him, he can barely walk.

00:20:53.000 And at the end of the fight, he winds up in a heap.

00:20:56.000 Because he just doesn't know.

00:20:57.000 He doesn't know yet.

00:20:58.000 And he's getting dumped, too.

00:21:00.000 Look at these fucking low kicks.

00:21:02.000 Devastating low kicks.

00:21:03.000 And at the end of the fight, he's just in a heap on the ground.

00:21:08.000 Yeah, his kick had no power there.

00:21:10.000 But the thing is, Rick was really fucking good back in the day.

00:21:15.000 That didn't show the end of the fight.

00:21:17.000 But at the end of the fight, he brutalized him with just low kicks.

00:21:20.000 The ties had figured something out that nobody had figured out.

00:21:23.000 And it's kind of shocking.

00:21:24.000 That this one area of the world, like this one small island, that they figured it out.

00:21:30.000 Yeah.

00:21:30.000 Kind of crazy.

00:21:31.000 Love it.

00:21:32.000 Yeah, I love it too.

00:21:33.000 And then Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, right?

00:21:35.000 Yeah.

00:21:36.000 Until Maeda comes to Brazil in like the 1930s or some shit.

00:21:41.000 Whenever that was.

00:21:42.000 And then the Brazilians are like, huh, I think we can fix this.

00:21:47.000 Yeah.

00:21:47.000 And they start like, you know, because Elio was a small guy and Helio is like going, well, what about if we just did it this way?

00:21:53.000 We fought with leverage and just instead of using strength, we used technique and changed everything.

00:21:59.000 Yeah.

00:21:59.000 Changed martial arts forever.

00:22:00.000 Yeah.

00:22:01.000 I love it.

00:22:02.000 It's wild.

00:22:02.000 I love all of it.

00:22:03.000 Yeah.

00:22:03.000 I'll tell you, that leg kick is my go-to in Iraq and Afghanistan.

00:22:07.000 You know what I mean?

00:22:09.000 Like...

00:22:09.000 I get about this far from you.

00:22:11.000 This is good distance for me.

00:22:13.000 You can't grab my weapons, but what I would do is I'd throw the Thai leg kick, but I wouldn't aim for the middle of the thigh.

00:22:20.000 I don't care about your pain.

00:22:22.000 I'd hit your knee and either it's gonna break your knee or it's gonna knock you out of your little fucking slippers.

00:22:28.000 And then I'd just stand on your neck.

00:22:31.000 Yeah, it's one of the most effective things you could do.

00:22:34.000 You take away someone's base.

00:22:35.000 Yeah.

00:22:36.000 And, you know, the crazy thing about MMA is now we're learning that kicking in the calf is actually even more effective than kicking in the thigh.

00:22:44.000 Yeah.

00:22:44.000 Because there's no meat there.

00:22:45.000 Yeah, it fucking hurts.

00:22:47.000 And you slam a shin into that and all of a sudden your foot goes floppy.

00:22:50.000 It doesn't work anymore.

00:22:51.000 Your leg's useless.

00:22:52.000 It's crazy.

00:22:53.000 And we've figured that out over the last five or six years, which is really nuts.

00:22:58.000 Like Michael Bisping, who was a world champion, told me he went his whole career without ever getting kicked in the calf.

00:23:03.000 Wow.

00:23:04.000 And that was like, you know, four or five years ago, he was a world champion and went his entire career without getting kicked in the calf.

00:23:11.000 Nuts.

00:23:12.000 It's nuts.

00:23:13.000 It's like it's constantly changing and evolving.

00:23:16.000 People find something that works and they're like, oh, what about this?

00:23:19.000 I love that it's always evolving, too.

00:23:21.000 Well, martial arts have evolved more in the last 30 years than they have in the last 30,000 years.

00:23:26.000 I agree.

00:23:26.000 That's a fact.

00:23:27.000 Yeah.

00:23:28.000 That's a fact.

00:23:29.000 And that's kind of shocking.

00:23:30.000 You think about how long people have been fighting.

00:23:32.000 I don't know.

00:23:33.000 You know, I shoot every day.

00:23:36.000 I teach people to shoot all over the country all the time, right?

00:23:39.000 And it's kind of interesting to me that I don't think it works like that.

00:23:45.000 You know what I mean?

00:23:46.000 Like, you would think people would have been doing this right the whole time, but there's, like, a lot of myth involved, and it gets watered down over time, I think, a lot of times.

00:23:58.000 Even in shooting, yeah.

00:23:59.000 Like, what are the myths in shooting?

00:24:01.000 Oh, so fucking many, man.

00:24:03.000 Really?

00:24:03.000 Like, do we got the time?

00:24:04.000 We got time!

00:24:05.000 I'll fucking shred this shit.

00:24:06.000 The NRA, I speak at the NRA shows, like...

00:24:09.000 The NRA hires me.

00:24:11.000 I speak at the NRA show this year.

00:24:13.000 I actually got roofied in fucking Dallas at the NRA show.

00:24:17.000 Yeah, no shit.

00:24:18.000 Do you know who did it?

00:24:20.000 This is crazy, right?

00:24:22.000 Okay, I have an assistant, right?

00:24:25.000 I don't know.

00:24:26.000 She's like 30, blonde girl, pretty girl.

00:24:29.000 Her and her husband are with me, and I'm with the surefire representative.

00:24:34.000 Like, yo, sorry we got you roofied, by the way.

00:24:38.000 And then like some other guys, right?

00:24:40.000 And we get done with the show and we just go have a drink or two and we're going into like the hotel restaurant to eat a nice steak dinner.

00:24:48.000 You know what I mean?

00:24:49.000 So we get around to drinks and it was like well old fashions is what it was.

00:24:56.000 Well old fashions.

00:24:57.000 And my assistant's like, I sit next to her.

00:24:59.000 She's like, I just can't drink anymore.

00:25:01.000 You know what I mean?

00:25:01.000 Like, these are horrible old fashions.

00:25:03.000 I just can't drink these anymore.

00:25:05.000 And it was like, hey, we'll be at dinner in a minute.

00:25:07.000 They got good booze at the good restaurant.

00:25:09.000 We'll get anything you want, right?

00:25:10.000 So she's like, okay.

00:25:12.000 So I was like, here, I'll take it.

00:25:13.000 So I held my cup up and then I kind of held my cup up, the surefire guy, her husband, and she kind of fills us all up equally.

00:25:23.000 So somebody was trying to roofie her.

00:25:25.000 Her, right?

00:25:27.000 So, yeah, this is in Dallas, right?

00:25:29.000 So, okay.

00:25:30.000 So, we go to dinner.

00:25:33.000 I don't know.

00:25:34.000 I get this Wagyu burger.

00:25:35.000 It's fucking delicious.

00:25:36.000 I'm kind of buzzed.

00:25:37.000 I'm drinking good whiskey.

00:25:39.000 You know what I mean?

00:25:39.000 We're having a good time, right?

00:25:40.000 I love good food, right?

00:25:42.000 So I'm having a great time.

00:25:44.000 Her husband's at the end of the table and all of a sudden, and this is like within 45 minutes of that drink, which I also didn't know, right?

00:25:53.000 So his head hits the table, boom!

00:25:56.000 And I look at him and I'm like, is he okay?

00:26:01.000 And then like, hey, you know how like, you know them blow up pools where you pull down the side and the water just kind of Yeah.

00:26:08.000 Glides over the top.

00:26:10.000 Yo, his mouth opens and it was just like, whoa, across the table.

00:26:15.000 You know what I mean?

00:26:16.000 And I was like, I pushed away from the table so it didn't leak on me.

00:26:20.000 And I was like, we gotta go.

00:26:21.000 You know what I mean?

00:26:22.000 It's time to leave.

00:26:23.000 You know what I mean?

00:26:23.000 I'll get to check by the front door or something.

00:26:25.000 You know what I mean?

00:26:26.000 Right.

00:26:27.000 Definitely, it's time for us to...

00:26:28.000 And you weren't feeling it yet?

00:26:29.000 No.

00:26:30.000 I didn't feel anything yet, right?

00:26:32.000 So, okay.

00:26:34.000 So, it was like, I've never seen this happen to this guy ever, right?

00:26:38.000 So, this isn't him.

00:26:40.000 So, it's kind of weird, right?

00:26:41.000 So, my assistant's like, hey, I'll take him up to the room.

00:26:44.000 I was like, okay, well, we're going to go have a few more drinks at the bar, right?

00:26:47.000 So me and the other guy go to the bar.

00:26:50.000 She goes up to her room, right?

00:26:52.000 I don't know if any of this is happening, but as soon as they get to the room, the head of security's knocking on the door.

00:26:57.000 So my assistant answers, and I guess the guy was like, is there a guy that threw up in the restaurant here?

00:27:04.000 And she's like, he's in the bathtub naked right now.

00:27:07.000 And then the head of security, like, hey, we watched the tapes.

00:27:11.000 Ton of info comes out.

00:27:13.000 Right?

00:27:14.000 So...

00:27:14.000 I don't know who did it.

00:27:15.000 I think so, but like...

00:27:17.000 Did it tell you?

00:27:18.000 No.

00:27:19.000 No, no.

00:27:19.000 They talked to my assistant and her husband, right?

00:27:23.000 So, I go down to the bar, right?

00:27:26.000 I put my credit card on the bar, and like, I fucking party till all hours of the night.

00:27:31.000 Yo, what did I learn?

00:27:33.000 If you roofie me, like, you're gonna wait six hours to get that booty, because once you give me drugs, I want to party, baby.

00:27:40.000 You know what I mean?

00:27:41.000 Like...

00:27:41.000 So, I'm out.

00:27:43.000 Like, I don't know what the fuck.

00:27:44.000 The Surefire guy fucking peters out on me.

00:27:47.000 You know, I'm probably just in the lobby alone.

00:27:49.000 Like, it's fucked up.

00:27:51.000 I don't know.

00:27:51.000 Do you know what was in it?

00:27:53.000 Fuck no.

00:27:54.000 It was just something.

00:27:55.000 It wasn't necessarily roof and all.

00:27:58.000 It was probably something.

00:27:59.000 I don't know what it was.

00:28:01.000 So the next day we check out, right?

00:28:05.000 Show's over.

00:28:05.000 We check out.

00:28:07.000 So my assistant's knocking on my door, right?

00:28:11.000 And I'm a get up early guy.

00:28:12.000 I do my cardio, you know.

00:28:14.000 So I'm normally up early and she's knocking on my door, right?

00:28:17.000 So I answer my door and I'm like thinking, the fuck is she doing here so early, right?

00:28:22.000 Both of them, her and her husband.

00:28:24.000 And she's like, you know, I'm glad you're okay.

00:28:26.000 And I'm like, uh, what?

00:28:28.000 You know what I mean?

00:28:29.000 And she's like, what?

00:28:30.000 What?

00:28:31.000 She's looking at me, she's like...

00:28:33.000 Not you too.

00:28:34.000 And I'm like, me too, what?

00:28:36.000 You know what I mean?

00:28:36.000 I'm kind of foggy, right?

00:28:39.000 It was like fucking, it was checkout, it was after checkout time.

00:28:42.000 I slept till like fucking one in the afternoon the next day.

00:28:45.000 I had the worst fucking hangover ever.

00:28:49.000 Like, if that was roofies do, the hangover, I understand why people don't do them recreationally.

00:28:54.000 You know what I mean?

00:28:54.000 Like, I had the worst fucking hangover.

00:28:57.000 So, she's like...

00:28:58.000 Did anybody get tested to find out what it is?

00:29:01.000 Mm-mm.

00:29:02.000 No, they had to fly home that afternoon.

00:29:04.000 They got me in my sprinter van.

00:29:06.000 I had to go do a class somewhere else.

00:29:08.000 I was on the fucking road.

00:29:09.000 So they drove me to breakfast, got me something to eat, kind of sobered me up a little bit.

00:29:15.000 And then they went to the airport, dropped me off, and I drove somewhere else in Texas.

00:29:19.000 I was working here.

00:29:22.000 And then the head of security talked to her and her husband, called them a couple days later, check on them, make sure they were okay.

00:29:29.000 But...

00:29:30.000 Long story short is we had a round of drinks that none of us ordered come to our table.

00:29:36.000 And they came to our table from the same waitress that we had.

00:29:41.000 You know what I mean?

00:29:41.000 So somehow we got a round of drinks and we even paid for them.

00:29:45.000 And when I got the bill, like, I don't know, we had two drinks and we were getting ready to go.

00:29:50.000 And then a third one came and I just figured someone ordered it.

00:29:55.000 You know what I mean?

00:29:55.000 It'll be fine.

00:29:56.000 And then I just paid for it all.

00:29:57.000 Didn't not even think of it.

00:29:59.000 And so did the security know who roofied you?

00:30:02.000 I think so.

00:30:03.000 And they didn't tell you?

00:30:04.000 I think they told my assistant.

00:30:05.000 I think they...

00:30:06.000 And you didn't ask her?

00:30:07.000 No.

00:30:08.000 I didn't care.

00:30:08.000 Yeah.

00:30:09.000 Oh, I'd want to know.

00:30:10.000 I think it was like a targeted thing where they just fucking rob you.

00:30:14.000 Oh.

00:30:15.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:30:16.000 I don't think...

00:30:17.000 I mean...

00:30:18.000 Alright, first and foremost, I think everyone's trying to burgle booty holes this day and age, and you gotta keep your safe.

00:30:24.000 So, there's that, right?

00:30:26.000 But I also think, like...

00:30:28.000 I think it was like...

00:30:29.000 They know all these people are in for these conventions, so they try to drug somebody and just...

00:30:35.000 Rob them.

00:30:36.000 You could have just took my...

00:30:37.000 I'd have handed you my wallet.

00:30:38.000 You know what I mean?

00:30:39.000 Fuck it.

00:30:40.000 There's not a crime.

00:30:41.000 They happened to a buddy of mine recently.

00:30:43.000 Oh, yeah?

00:30:43.000 Yeah.

00:30:44.000 He met this girl, and they go back to his place, and then he wakes up the next day, and he's robbed.

00:30:49.000 Stole his Rolex, stole $25,000 in cash from him, but he got tested.

00:30:53.000 And he had...

00:30:54.000 I think it was Xanax.

00:30:57.000 She piled a bunch of Xanax into his drink, and he was just out.

00:31:01.000 Didn't know what the fuck happened.

00:31:03.000 Came to the club afterwards.

00:31:03.000 He was like all fucked up.

00:31:06.000 Came to the comedy club.

00:31:06.000 He's a comedian, Hans Kim.

00:31:08.000 Shout out to Hans.

00:31:09.000 Hilarious guy.

00:31:10.000 So he's like, something happened.

00:31:12.000 I don't know what happened.

00:31:13.000 We're like, hey, man, go to fucking, go get tested right now while it's still in your system.

00:31:19.000 So he goes and gets his hair tested, and they found that there was roofies in them.

00:31:23.000 Damn.

00:31:24.000 I didn't even know you could be tested.

00:31:26.000 Yeah, you could be tested.

00:31:27.000 Oh, shit.

00:31:28.000 But there's like a time period.

00:31:30.000 If you test hair, it'll last a little longer.

00:31:33.000 And I think he waited a day, so they had to test hair.

00:31:35.000 But within a certain time period, they could test you and find out what it is.

00:31:39.000 And they said, did you take any Xanax?

00:31:40.000 He's like, no.

00:31:41.000 I'm like, you have a lot of Xanax in your system.

00:31:43.000 And apparently that's one of the things that they give people to rob them.

00:31:46.000 Damn.

00:31:46.000 Dang.

00:31:47.000 Does it cause a hangover?

00:31:48.000 I'm sure.

00:31:49.000 It's got to.

00:31:50.000 If you're going to drug me- Anything that's going to whack you out- If you're going to rob me- I just want to say this to the world.

00:31:56.000 If you're going to fucking rob me, give me the non-hangover shit.

00:31:59.000 You're getting my shit anyway.

00:32:00.000 But what is the non-hangover shit?

00:32:02.000 Fuck.

00:32:02.000 I don't know.

00:32:03.000 Whatever that shit is.

00:32:03.000 You know more about drugs than me.

00:32:05.000 I was in the army my whole life.

00:32:06.000 I don't think it exists.

00:32:07.000 Damn it, Joe.

00:32:08.000 I think it's prescription stuff or GHB. I know a lot of people give people GHB. I've heard of that.

00:32:13.000 That just gets you like, you don't know what the fuck's going on.

00:32:15.000 I've heard of that.

00:32:16.000 I've heard of people getting roofied that way.

00:32:17.000 If I was a woman, I'd be fucking terrified to accept a drink from anybody.

00:32:22.000 Fuck!

00:32:22.000 I've talked to so many ladies that have had their alcohol drugged by someone.

00:32:27.000 Women go to bars, they keep their fucking hand over their drink all the time, even when they're turning around and looking away, because they just never know.

00:32:33.000 Some guy just dropped something in there real quick.

00:32:35.000 Next thing you know, you're going home with them.

00:32:37.000 You don't even know where you are.

00:32:38.000 I had a buddy.

00:32:39.000 He doesn't even drink.

00:32:40.000 Someone convinced him to have a glass of wine, small town, North Carolina.

00:32:45.000 And the cops pulled him over not far down the road.

00:32:50.000 And he was like, I don't know what's going on, but I can't feel my hands.

00:32:54.000 You know what I mean?

00:32:55.000 And he's like, he's just a regular guy, you know?

00:32:58.000 And they brought him back to the station and someone had put, I think it was a little bit of fentanyl or some shit in the wine.

00:33:05.000 And like he left and he said he felt fine and he was driving.

00:33:09.000 He said, like, I don't feel right.

00:33:11.000 Even though like he doesn't really, he had one glass of wine.

00:33:14.000 He doesn't even drink.

00:33:16.000 You know, I don't even know why he had a glass of wine.

00:33:17.000 Someone probably talked him into it.

00:33:18.000 You know what I mean?

00:33:19.000 He probably didn't even finish it, but...

00:33:21.000 He's like, you know, he said he was lucky.

00:33:23.000 He felt lucky.

00:33:24.000 There's some fucking non-human people out there.

00:33:26.000 I'm telling you, that's one of the things I wanted to talk about today is like, there's fucking real evil in the world.

00:33:32.000 And in Iraq, in Afghanistan, you go into these fucked up places where they've been like, I don't know, fucking raping, beheading people, fucking tribal shit forever.

00:33:43.000 Like there was buildings I didn't even want to fucking go in.

00:33:46.000 Like you'd go and you'd be like...

00:33:48.000 Every fucking hair on my body just be standing up.

00:33:51.000 And I'm at the doorway and be like, I don't even want to clear this fucking building.

00:33:55.000 You know what I mean?

00:33:55.000 And I don't know fucking why, but I know there's fucking old evil in this world.

00:34:00.000 Evil's real.

00:34:01.000 It's fucking real.

00:34:02.000 And if you've never experienced it, you can walk around delusional and think, oh, come on.

00:34:05.000 It's real.

00:34:06.000 You can feel it like...

00:34:08.000 When I'm around real evil shit, only two places I felt real evil shit in my life is Gettysburg and fucking in Iraq and Afghanistan.

00:34:17.000 Yeah, I felt that.

00:34:20.000 Because I felt evil before and it makes me want to throw up, it hurts my stomach.

00:34:25.000 You mean in the area of Gettysburg?

00:34:28.000 Yeah.

00:34:28.000 On the battlefields.

00:34:29.000 My stepfather felt the same thing.

00:34:31.000 And he's not woo-woo at all.

00:34:33.000 He's like a real straight-edge guy.

00:34:34.000 Fuck, man.

00:34:35.000 And he said it felt so creepy.

00:34:37.000 I was almost going to...

00:34:38.000 Me and my son were out there ghost hunting, right?

00:34:42.000 And we were both going to throw up and...

00:34:44.000 I didn't tell him, but I had felt that feeling before.

00:34:47.000 It's crazy that you said that about Gettysburg, because my stepdad's never said anything like that before.

00:34:52.000 And he said just the feeling, it was so sad and creepy, and you just wanted to get out of there immediately.

00:34:58.000 Makes me want to throw up that feeling.

00:35:00.000 I think places have memory.

00:35:01.000 I really believe that.

00:35:02.000 Well, I think it's energy, and I don't think it can be created or fucking...

00:35:06.000 You've talked to science guys, right?

00:35:08.000 Energy don't go away, right?

00:35:10.000 Well, I think you just don't see it and you can't measure it, so you assume it's not there.

00:35:14.000 But I think that's one of the reasons why when someone gets murdered in a house, they have to tell you about it.

00:35:19.000 Right?

00:35:20.000 They have to.

00:35:21.000 Because, like, people, they know.

00:35:23.000 Like, there was JonBenet Ramsey's house.

00:35:25.000 When I lived in Boulder, I lived in Boulder for a while, and we were looking at houses to buy.

00:35:29.000 And there was this one house that was, like, really cheap for the house.

00:35:32.000 I was like, this is a nice fucking house.

00:35:34.000 They had changed the name of the street so they could try to sell this house.

00:35:38.000 Because everybody knew that it was the house that JonBenet Ramsey had been killed in.

00:35:41.000 They couldn't fucking sell the house.

00:35:43.000 Oh, fuck that house.

00:35:43.000 Yeah, fuck that house.

00:35:45.000 We were looking at the house on Zillow, and we're like, oh, that's a beautiful house.

00:35:48.000 Maybe we should go check out this house.

00:35:49.000 And then we found out.

00:35:50.000 We're like, oh, that's why they can't sell it.

00:35:53.000 Like, oh, man.

00:35:55.000 Like, they changed the name of the street to try to sell this house.

00:35:58.000 It's fucked up.

00:35:59.000 They should have just bulldozed it.

00:36:01.000 They should have bulldozed it and then...

00:36:02.000 What do you do about the ground?

00:36:04.000 It's still there.

00:36:05.000 Would you want to live in a place where they bulldoze the house where a little girl is getting killed?

00:36:09.000 Fuck that.

00:36:10.000 Not even joking about it.

00:36:12.000 I don't want to live there.

00:36:13.000 No, no one wants to live there.

00:36:14.000 I don't even know what it is now.

00:36:16.000 I mean, I don't know if anybody ever bought it.

00:36:18.000 Yeah.

00:36:18.000 I grew up in old houses in the Chicago area, you know what I mean?

00:36:22.000 And, like, some of them houses were creepy for no reason, and some weren't.

00:36:25.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:36:26.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:36:28.000 There's something to that.

00:36:29.000 But, hey, I was in Iraq, and I was in one of them, like, you know, Uday and Kusei, like, fucking raped people.

00:36:37.000 Them guys were evil.

00:36:38.000 You went to their palace?

00:36:40.000 All of them.

00:36:42.000 I carried their bodies off an airplane and had to guard them until they got cleaned up by the morgue and DNA tested.

00:36:53.000 But, uh...

00:36:55.000 Them fucking guys, them palaces, like, they would pick up, like, fucking 12-year-olds off the street.

00:37:01.000 They didn't give up.

00:37:02.000 They feed them to dogs.

00:37:02.000 Fuck.

00:37:03.000 The lions.

00:37:04.000 We found them fucking—so, ooh, they had lions, and the lions were—it's not funny, but, I mean, it's kind of humorous, but I think it's funny.

00:37:12.000 The lions were like on the army side, the big army side, and they were inside this fence, right?

00:37:20.000 And then the lions were like just lazy as fuck, didn't care about no army guys.

00:37:25.000 And then one day I seen a lady and kids walk by, and they're just behind Chainlink.

00:37:29.000 And them fucking lions went nuts, and I knew like...

00:37:33.000 They had been feeding them ladies and kids.

00:37:35.000 Fuck yeah.

00:37:37.000 Fuck yeah.

00:37:38.000 They were fucking evil.

00:37:39.000 I have read so many horrible stories about those guys.

00:37:42.000 They would find a woman who was getting married and they would rape her and then feed her to their dogs.

00:37:47.000 Yeah.

00:37:48.000 Or the fucking carp outside the palaces, you know them big lakes?

00:37:52.000 Full of these giant carps that just fucking eat bodies like you read about them.

00:37:57.000 Yeah, so I was down in one of those one night just because I could be, and I had my flashlight.

00:38:03.000 Always been fascinated by ghost hunting, by the way.

00:38:06.000 So I'm down there by myself just exploring, you know what I mean?

00:38:10.000 And this fucking door slammed on me, you know what I mean?

00:38:13.000 I was freaked the fuck out.

00:38:15.000 I'm the only one down there, you know what I mean?

00:38:18.000 Freaked me the fuck out, man.

00:38:22.000 And the energy down in those fucking rape rooms or whatever.

00:38:26.000 I don't know what the fuck you call it.

00:38:28.000 They did fucking bad shit there.

00:38:30.000 It's just like, I don't know.

00:38:32.000 You ever ride a roller coaster and it turns your stomach?

00:38:38.000 Yeah.

00:38:39.000 That's how it feels to me in them rooms.

00:38:41.000 I don't know what that is, but it makes me almost want to throw up.

00:38:43.000 And the stronger it is, the more I feel like I'm going to throw up.

00:38:48.000 Those guys were such fucking monsters.

00:38:51.000 It's just so crazy that that story repeats itself over and over again like the sons of kings that grow up that way are always just super fucking evil because they have unchecked power from the time they're a child.

00:39:05.000 Yeah.

00:39:06.000 Yeah, I gotta be honest.

00:39:07.000 If I could clone myself and I'd had like a mini-me right now, I would abuse him just to make sure he grows up right.

00:39:15.000 I would raise him right.

00:39:16.000 You know what I mean?

00:39:17.000 Yeah.

00:39:18.000 And when I say abuse him, I mean like...

00:39:20.000 Force him to work hard.

00:39:21.000 Yeah, fucking earn his shit his whole fucking life.

00:39:24.000 I mean like, yeah, I had a guy, like I had a...

00:39:27.000 I don't know what he was.

00:39:29.000 I was in the Middle East somewhere and one of the guys asked me like, Are American babies stupid?

00:39:34.000 And I'm like, what?

00:39:35.000 And he's like, are American babies stupid?

00:39:38.000 And I'm like, why?

00:39:39.000 And he's like, well, in America, there would be a fence at the edge of the cliff so the baby can't go over.

00:39:45.000 In my country, the baby knows don't go by the cliff.

00:39:48.000 And I'm like, uh, I don't know.

00:39:51.000 Like, what the fuck?

00:39:53.000 Well, I bet they don't.

00:39:54.000 I bet the babies that don't know go off the cliff and those genes never propagate.

00:39:58.000 Again.

00:39:59.000 Yeah.

00:40:00.000 That's the most harsh form of natural selection.

00:40:02.000 Darwinism right there.

00:40:04.000 Yeah.

00:40:04.000 The most harsh form of it.

00:40:05.000 Yeah.

00:40:07.000 No fucking...

00:40:08.000 I mean, kids that grow up outside.

00:40:09.000 Lock key kids.

00:40:10.000 Like when I was a kid.

00:40:11.000 Yeah.

00:40:11.000 You just got left out of the house.

00:40:13.000 Bye.

00:40:14.000 Have fun.

00:40:14.000 And you figure out who's the child molester.

00:40:16.000 Yeah.

00:40:16.000 You figure out who's a creep.

00:40:18.000 What's dangerous.

00:40:19.000 Don't go near the train tracks.

00:40:21.000 You can't hear the train until it's too late.

00:40:22.000 Yeah.

00:40:22.000 Stay away from your drunks.

00:40:23.000 Because you hear about the kid that gets hit.

00:40:24.000 Yeah.

00:40:24.000 At the liquor store.

00:40:25.000 Exactly.

00:40:26.000 Yeah.

00:40:27.000 Yeah.

00:40:27.000 I did the same thing.

00:40:28.000 You learn about danger.

00:40:29.000 Yeah.

00:40:30.000 I tell you, I got my first key.

00:40:32.000 I was six.

00:40:33.000 I fucking lost it like the same day.

00:40:36.000 My mom's yelling at me and she's like, you know, what do you got to say for yourself?

00:40:40.000 I was like, I still remember.

00:40:41.000 It's like one of my oldest memories.

00:40:43.000 I was like, I'm six?

00:40:45.000 Yeah.

00:40:45.000 And she was just kind of like...

00:40:49.000 Yeah.

00:40:49.000 I'm six.

00:40:51.000 I had it one fucking day.

00:40:52.000 I never carried a key in my life.

00:40:54.000 Of course I'm going to fuck this up.

00:40:56.000 She was like, we can't afford all these keys, you know what I mean?

00:41:00.000 But at the same time, I'm fucking six.

00:41:02.000 So we ended up having to hide it somewhere.

00:41:05.000 Because my brother wasn't good at fucking keys either.

00:41:08.000 You know, it's fucked up that I don't want that to happen to my kids.

00:41:11.000 I mean, my life was nothing like your life, but I was definitely let loose in the world and not really given any guidance.

00:41:20.000 A ton of let loose with no guidance.

00:41:23.000 But that's how you make a person like you.

00:41:25.000 A person like you doesn't come from a home That has, like, you know, you're coddled, you're taken care of, you're always protected.

00:41:33.000 Like, the only way you make, like, a legit beast of a man is that that man has to go through a lot of shit through their life, and then they come out on the other end hard.

00:41:43.000 It's the only way.

00:41:44.000 You don't, you know, I've never met, like, a world champion fighter that came from, like, the happiest of childhoods.

00:41:51.000 It just doesn't exist.

00:41:52.000 I don't see a lot of unit or special forces or ranger guys, like, I used to call it the fatherless.

00:42:00.000 You know what I mean?

00:42:01.000 And it works kind of two ways.

00:42:02.000 Either you had a dad, but he worked and he came home and he passed out and he woke up and he was gone before you got up.

00:42:11.000 And when you got home, he was asleep on the couch or already out for the night because he fucking works.

00:42:16.000 A lot of hours.

00:42:17.000 Or you kind of just didn't have a dad.

00:42:19.000 You know what I mean?

00:42:20.000 Right.

00:42:20.000 Those people make special forces soldiers.

00:42:23.000 Just like, you know, dad issues for a chick or put her on a pole.

00:42:26.000 Those same issues and a dude puts them in special forces, I think.

00:42:30.000 And I'll take the fatherless all day long.

00:42:33.000 Yeah.

00:42:34.000 For sure.

00:42:35.000 Well, those are the world champions.

00:42:37.000 I mean, that's Mike Tyson, right?

00:42:39.000 Yeah.

00:42:39.000 He was 13 years old, no family, gets adopted by a guy who's a psychologist who's a hypnotist and is a great boxing coach and teaches him to become this elite fighter.

00:42:50.000 And I kind of think that you don't become that guy unless you're dealing with all sorts of unspeakable tragedy and horrors when you're a child.

00:42:59.000 Well, you wouldn't have that kind of focus without that.

00:43:02.000 You wouldn't have that monster inside of you.

00:43:04.000 That monster has to grow because it needs to be there.

00:43:07.000 Right.

00:43:08.000 Yeah.

00:43:08.000 I would say, and I don't know what the ratio is, but I would say one out of every fucking hundred or three hundred is the fucking high school quarterback who married the fucking prom king.

00:43:19.000 Very rare.

00:43:21.000 Very rare.

00:43:22.000 I think I only knew one of those guys.

00:43:24.000 Yeah, and those guys, I bet if you dig into their childhood, their dad was probably a little abusive.

00:43:28.000 Yeah, or their mom.

00:43:29.000 Or a brother.

00:43:30.000 Yeah, something.

00:43:31.000 There's another thing, older brothers.

00:43:33.000 It's like, you want to find the young brother.

00:43:35.000 The young brother's the beast.

00:43:36.000 I'm the little brother.

00:43:38.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:43:38.000 The young brother gets beat up by the older brother and just constantly in battle his whole life.

00:43:45.000 So many fighters, the best fighters, like Chris Weidman's got a great story like that.

00:43:50.000 Well, I mean, think about this.

00:43:51.000 If you had to fight your bigger brother off your whole life, you would be good at jiu-jitsu.

00:43:55.000 Why?

00:43:56.000 Because you understand leverage.

00:43:57.000 You understand patience.

00:43:58.000 Wait for the move.

00:43:59.000 Take some punishment.

00:44:01.000 Move later.

00:44:02.000 You know the deal, right?

00:44:03.000 You're also accustomed to being in battle all the time with your brother.

00:44:07.000 Right.

00:44:08.000 Hickson was a little brother to Holes.

00:44:10.000 Yeah.

00:44:11.000 Yeah, same thing.

00:44:12.000 Yeah, and Horian.

00:44:14.000 Yeah, Hickson is such a unique guy because he was like the first guy that figured out like that physical strength, yoga, all the gymnastic natural stuff that he did, flexibility.

00:44:28.000 Breathing.

00:44:29.000 Yeah, he was like a physical specimen on top of being super technical.

00:44:33.000 Yeah.

00:44:34.000 So he had like both things.

00:44:35.000 Yeah, he had it all, I think, way before people knew.

00:44:38.000 Way before.

00:44:41.000 He knew the winning mindset and how to keep that mental edge with all the other things.

00:44:48.000 And the fighting was just something that he grew up to do, I think, in my opinion.

00:44:53.000 You know what I mean?

00:44:53.000 Yeah, he had that samurai mindset.

00:44:55.000 Yeah, I'm telling you.

00:44:58.000 I talk to a lot of people.

00:45:00.000 I know some legendary guys from the army, right?

00:45:05.000 When he talks, it's like this weird time vortex.

00:45:08.000 You ever talk to him?

00:45:09.000 Yeah, I've had a couple of podcasts with him.

00:45:12.000 It's incredible.

00:45:13.000 I went over his house once in 2000 and him and his son and we were watching Coliseum.

00:45:25.000 So Coliseum was like the last time he fought when he fought Funaki.

00:45:28.000 And we were watching all the different fights.

00:45:31.000 He had a tape of it, and we were watching it.

00:45:33.000 And he was breaking down all the things that all these guys were doing wrong.

00:45:37.000 It was such a fascinating education.

00:45:40.000 He was like, there's too much space.

00:45:42.000 You start here, there's too much space.

00:45:44.000 And he goes, he had this philosophy.

00:45:46.000 Good accent, by the way.

00:45:47.000 He goes, we start at a neutral point.

00:45:49.000 We start at a neutral point.

00:45:50.000 If I get to one, I'm not going back to zero.

00:45:53.000 I'm going one to two to three to checkmate.

00:45:57.000 He goes, I'm not going backwards.

00:45:58.000 He goes, these guys, they lose position, they go for here, go for there, all this extra space.

00:46:04.000 And he was like breaking it down while we were watching the fights.

00:46:07.000 It was such an education.

00:46:09.000 Love that.

00:46:09.000 Oh, it was fucking amazing, man.

00:46:11.000 It was amazing.

00:46:12.000 Yeah, he's a legend.

00:46:14.000 Oh man, like one of the great legends of martial arts.

00:46:17.000 If you go into the history of martial arts, Hickson Gracie will go down.

00:46:21.000 If there's a Mount Rushmore of martial arts legends, him and Hoyce are right up there.

00:46:27.000 Yeah, I agree with that.

00:46:28.000 And Hoyce will tell you, like Hickson, he goes, my brother was a hundred times better than me!

00:46:31.000 Yeah.

00:46:32.000 Well, when Hoyce used to come to us, he would tell us straight up, I'm not the family fighter.

00:46:36.000 Yeah.

00:46:37.000 You know, and I think what he told us back then was like, I don't know, Hickson was pride contracts.

00:46:43.000 UFC was different.

00:46:44.000 Couldn't figure it out.

00:46:45.000 Yeah.

00:46:46.000 That's why Hoyce even fought, right?

00:46:47.000 Yeah.

00:46:47.000 I thought that was kind of the deal back then, but that was a long time ago.

00:46:51.000 Horian, there was a bunch of different thoughts on it.

00:46:54.000 Hoist jokes around.

00:46:55.000 He goes, look how beautiful I am.

00:46:57.000 That's why they wanted me.

00:46:58.000 But it was also because Hickson was very physically dominant.

00:47:03.000 And the idea was like, let's have this guy that doesn't look physically impressive to show jiu-jitsu, to show the power of jiu-jitsu.

00:47:11.000 But if that doesn't work, then we bring in Hickson.

00:47:14.000 Yeah.

00:47:14.000 But obviously, Hoist beat everybody.

00:47:17.000 And then Hickson went over to do Japan Valley Tudo in like 94, I think it was.

00:47:22.000 I used to love all those.

00:47:23.000 The Valley Tudos, Pride.

00:47:24.000 I thought that was the best.

00:47:26.000 The golden era of martial arts, because it's when everybody was learning.

00:47:30.000 Like, holy shit, there's so much out there.

00:47:32.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:47:33.000 I loved every minute of that.

00:47:34.000 And then Fedor Emelianenko comes on the scene, and he's just like...

00:47:38.000 Fedor is my favorite.

00:47:39.000 One of the all-time greats.

00:47:41.000 He's another one.

00:47:41.000 If there's the greatest heavyweight of all time, he's got to be in the conversation.

00:47:46.000 I feel like back in the day, we'd be talking about fighting, and it'd be like, man, I wonder if anyone's ever done this from the mount.

00:47:55.000 Fedor won six fights like that.

00:47:57.000 I wonder if anyone's ever done something like this, and well, Fedor won his last fight just like that.

00:48:02.000 And you're just like, fucking this guy.

00:48:05.000 In his prime, he was a monster.

00:48:07.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:48:08.000 And so stoic.

00:48:09.000 Like, his expression never changed.

00:48:11.000 He gets head kicked, he gets suplexed, nothing.

00:48:15.000 It's like no one's home in there, you know what I mean?

00:48:17.000 Just didn't register.

00:48:18.000 He was just a machine.

00:48:19.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:48:19.000 I loved him.

00:48:20.000 And I liked when he...

00:48:21.000 I seen an interview one time.

00:48:23.000 Remember his brother Alexander?

00:48:24.000 Sure.

00:48:25.000 He was like, Alexander is better than me if he just wouldn't party so much.

00:48:29.000 Yeah, he was an animal.

00:48:30.000 And I was just thinking...

00:48:31.000 Fucking Fedor saying his brother's better than him.

00:48:34.000 You know what I mean?

00:48:35.000 Well, his brother was bigger and taller and was a nasty striker, man.

00:48:39.000 His brother was a vicious striker.

00:48:40.000 Had good kicks, too.

00:48:41.000 Oh, my God.

00:48:42.000 He was fucking good, man.

00:48:43.000 But that was the days where everyone was just kind of figuring out what worked and what didn't work.

00:48:49.000 Yeah.

00:48:49.000 Yeah, you had Vanderlei, the axe murderer.

00:48:53.000 It was also a time where everybody was juicy.

00:48:56.000 The whole organization.

00:48:58.000 I had a friend who was going to fight over there, and he was 170 pounds, and they said, no, we want you to fight at 185. Go do steroids.

00:49:06.000 Go do steroids.

00:49:07.000 He's like, what the fuck?

00:49:09.000 He's like, they tell us to do steroids!

00:49:11.000 When Ensign was on the podcast, he told me, in the contract, it said in capital letters, we do not test for steroids.

00:49:18.000 They're like, go have fun.

00:49:21.000 Come back yoked up.

00:49:22.000 Come back juicy.

00:49:23.000 Everybody was juicy back then.

00:49:25.000 Because it was the wild days.

00:49:26.000 It was like the Wild West.

00:49:28.000 They just wanted the best, most exciting fights possible.

00:49:31.000 I think that's what people want now.

00:49:32.000 Oh, yeah.

00:49:33.000 You know what I mean?

00:49:34.000 There's a real argument for that.

00:49:35.000 I don't think the fans give a fuck about drug testing.

00:49:37.000 No.

00:49:38.000 You know, I don't think...

00:49:38.000 Look, and I think this is for all...

00:49:40.000 Like, the Olympics?

00:49:41.000 I get it.

00:49:42.000 But the NFL? Like, seriously?

00:49:44.000 Why even fucking...

00:49:45.000 Why?

00:49:46.000 What do you want the sport to suck?

00:49:48.000 Like baseball.

00:49:49.000 That was the thing when they were doing like Mark McGuire and all that shit and Sammy Sosa.

00:49:53.000 Why are you testing these guys?

00:49:55.000 It's the most exciting thing is to hit a home run.

00:49:57.000 These guys are doing something that makes them better at hitting home runs.

00:50:00.000 Everybody should do that thing.

00:50:01.000 Whatever the fuck that is.

00:50:03.000 Think about how much more money that bring those organizations.

00:50:05.000 Yeah, but there was this thing back then that it was cheating.

00:50:08.000 But what it really is is science.

00:50:10.000 Like, they'd figure out there's a way where you recover more, you get stronger, you get faster.

00:50:15.000 Like, hey, do that, guys.

00:50:16.000 And by the way, everybody else is doing it, too.

00:50:19.000 They're just, like, hiding it in some sort of a weird way.

00:50:22.000 You know, they're just masking it and taking weird stuff.

00:50:25.000 And there was, you know, that Balco scandal where they're all taking this stuff called The Clear.

00:50:29.000 Yeah.

00:50:29.000 I've never even heard of that.

00:50:31.000 You've never heard of that?

00:50:31.000 No, I've never heard of that.

00:50:31.000 I had that guy, Victor Conte, on the podcast who created the clear.

00:50:36.000 He's a scientist.

00:50:37.000 And what he did is he, Balco Labs, they figured out that when they're testing, they're testing for very specific metabolites.

00:50:43.000 So they took steroids and then they changed it slightly so that it didn't show up in the test.

00:50:49.000 And they're giving them the stuff and they would all pass clear.

00:50:52.000 And they were all fucking just monsters like Barry Bonds.

00:50:56.000 He was a monster.

00:50:57.000 I met Barry Bonds in 1994. I was on this television show called Hardball.

00:51:02.000 And Barry Bonds was, you know, he was still a major league player, a big time player.

00:51:08.000 Famous.

00:51:08.000 He's famous.

00:51:08.000 But he was a regular guy.

00:51:10.000 Like, he looked like a regular athlete.

00:51:12.000 And then he started getting juicy.

00:51:13.000 And then years later, he gained like 60 pounds.

00:51:16.000 It's just fucking gigantic and smashing home runs.

00:51:20.000 That would be good.

00:51:21.000 You should keep doing that, whatever you're doing.

00:51:23.000 I think that's all sports.

00:51:25.000 Yo, jump as high as you can.

00:51:26.000 Take your fucking gear.

00:51:28.000 Jump high.

00:51:29.000 Run far.

00:51:30.000 Smash each other.

00:51:31.000 Let's go.

00:51:31.000 Well, that's the Enhanced Games.

00:51:33.000 You know, the Enhanced Games doing that.

00:51:34.000 They're developing this whole protocol right now, and the Enhanced Games is going to let people do whatever the fuck they want that works.

00:51:42.000 And their idea is, we are going to develop the best athletes in every discipline, and then we're going to give them a lot of money.

00:51:50.000 And we're gonna, like, fuck the Olympics.

00:51:52.000 The Olympics is a giant scam.

00:51:54.000 Because the Olympics, the athletes don't make any money.

00:51:57.000 And NBC and all these broadcast networks and the IOC, they're making billions of dollars off the backs of these athletes' hard work.

00:52:04.000 And no one is going to see them.

00:52:06.000 They're going to see the athletes.

00:52:08.000 The athletes aren't even compensated.

00:52:10.000 It's a crazy scam.

00:52:12.000 It really is.

00:52:13.000 Because it's not like if no one made any money, including the networks, including the IOC, great!

00:52:20.000 Great!

00:52:20.000 But that's not the case.

00:52:22.000 Someone's making a fucking shit ton of money, but it's not the people that are putting in the hard work.

00:52:27.000 It's the people that are pointing cameras at them.

00:52:31.000 It's the dumbest fucking thing of all time.

00:52:33.000 So the enhanced games is like, let's throw out the drug testing, let's encourage people to do whatever the fuck that works, and let's give them a lot of money.

00:52:41.000 So whoever wins, whatever, give them a million dollars.

00:52:43.000 And then you'll get the elite athletes will be like, well, why am I wasting my time competing for free?

00:52:49.000 Maybe I blow out an ACL or herniated disc and my career's over and I don't have shit to show for it.

00:52:57.000 I can do steroids and then win and have money for the rest of my life.

00:53:02.000 Yeah.

00:53:03.000 I want to watch the steroid sports.

00:53:05.000 Of course!

00:53:06.000 You know what I mean?

00:53:07.000 The Enhanced League or whatever it's called, that sounds to me like the NFL's going away.

00:53:13.000 I want to see the mountain hit another mountain, you know what I mean?

00:53:17.000 Like, let's go!

00:53:17.000 Could you imagine if they told the NFL, let's just say, everybody get juicy?

00:53:21.000 Fuck.

00:53:22.000 Those guys are already freaks.

00:53:23.000 They're already doing it.

00:53:24.000 Probably.

00:53:25.000 You know what I mean?

00:53:26.000 I mean, I only imagine.

00:53:28.000 I don't know.

00:53:28.000 But my two cents is like, you're doing it anyway.

00:53:32.000 Just fucking go with it.

00:53:33.000 The way I understand it is they let them know when testing is happening.

00:53:39.000 Why even waste the fucking money?

00:53:40.000 You know what I mean?

00:53:41.000 Like, phone it in.

00:53:42.000 Let's just phone that in.

00:53:43.000 You know what I mean?

00:53:44.000 Like, yo, I took that drug test.

00:53:46.000 Okay, click.

00:53:47.000 Save some money for everybody.

00:53:48.000 The drug test should be multiple choice.

00:53:50.000 We'll fill it out.

00:53:51.000 No, nothing.

00:53:52.000 The drug test should be, we're just kind of curious if you've had any success, and we want to know what works so we can recommend better stuff to people.

00:54:00.000 Right.

00:54:00.000 That's what I would do.

00:54:01.000 But there's this weird thing about protecting the athlete's health.

00:54:05.000 Like, hey, fuckface, they're playing football.

00:54:07.000 If you really cared about their health, you would tell them don't play football.

00:54:10.000 So true.

00:54:11.000 There's no way you care about their health.

00:54:13.000 There's no fucking way.

00:54:15.000 It just doesn't make any sense.

00:54:17.000 I mean, inherent nature is a danger there.

00:54:20.000 Concussions, knees, shoulders, right?

00:54:22.000 Yes, everything gets blown out.

00:54:23.000 How about vaccines?

00:54:25.000 How about you making them get vaccinated and they're having fucking heart attacks on the field?

00:54:28.000 Does that make any sense?

00:54:29.000 None.

00:54:30.000 You don't care about their health.

00:54:31.000 You're full of shit.

00:54:31.000 Those guys didn't have to worry for a second about COVID. They're elite athletes of the highest order.

00:54:37.000 Do you really think that something that is It literally only kills like.03% of the people who get it and those people or most of them have comorbidities.

00:54:49.000 You really think elite athletes of the highest order had to worry about that?

00:54:52.000 Of course they didn't.

00:54:53.000 It's all bullshit.

00:54:54.000 You don't care about them.

00:54:56.000 Yeah.

00:54:56.000 Let them get juicy.

00:54:57.000 Yeah, fucking juice it up, boys.

00:54:58.000 Let's go.

00:54:59.000 Get that gear.

00:55:00.000 You know what I mean?

00:55:01.000 Hey, let's take those piss cups and turn them into fucking drink cups and serve them some whiskey in the locker room.

00:55:06.000 Let's get this shit going.

00:55:08.000 And I want more fighting in my sports.

00:55:10.000 You know what I mean?

00:55:11.000 That's why I like hockey.

00:55:12.000 Yeah, I love hockey.

00:55:13.000 Hockey's the last sport that allows fistfights normally in the middle of a sport.

00:55:17.000 It's the only sport that allows the occasional fistfight, which is kind of crazy.

00:55:22.000 I live in North Carolina and there's a little local hockey team at Bragg.

00:55:28.000 I go to a lot of hockey games because it's like seven bucks for a long time.

00:55:33.000 You know what I mean?

00:55:34.000 And they'll fucking blood on the ice on the Thanksgiving day.

00:55:37.000 They'll have a non-league team come in and it's fucking blood on the ice, man.

00:55:44.000 The Southern Provisional Hockey League.

00:55:46.000 I love this hockey.

00:55:48.000 It's just wild that that's the only sport where fist fighting is allowed.

00:55:52.000 Yeah.

00:55:52.000 It's kind of crazy because it's grandfathered in.

00:55:54.000 Yeah.

00:55:55.000 Because it's basically bare knuckle boxing in the middle of a sport.

00:55:58.000 Yeah.

00:55:59.000 Which is real weird.

00:56:00.000 Yeah.

00:56:00.000 Well, then you got soccer where, like, you know, you rubbed elbows with the guy and he falls over.

00:56:05.000 And you're like, what the fuck?

00:56:07.000 You're faking it.

00:56:08.000 Like, I have children.

00:56:09.000 I know the faker.

00:56:11.000 Like, what the fuck?

00:56:12.000 Like, I'm a parent.

00:56:12.000 You can't fool me.

00:56:13.000 Well, anybody can see.

00:56:15.000 It's the dumbest thing.

00:56:16.000 Like, a hand hits their face.

00:56:17.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:56:18.000 Yeah, they fall on the ground.

00:56:19.000 They fall down, and they're fucking holding their side.

00:56:21.000 They're holding their chest.

00:56:22.000 It's so dumb.

00:56:23.000 But it's also one of the reasons why it's not really accepted in America.

00:56:26.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:56:26.000 Because you watch that flopping.

00:56:28.000 We're like, come on.

00:56:29.000 Get up.

00:56:29.000 This is so crazy.

00:56:31.000 Yeah, I totally agree.

00:56:32.000 Especially when people watch football.

00:56:34.000 You're watching guys get fucking waylaid.

00:56:36.000 A 300-pound super athlete, they get up and shake it off, and then they're right back on the field.

00:56:42.000 Yeah, the guy's like, adjust his helmet a little bit, you know what I mean?

00:56:45.000 Takes his mouthpiece out, you go, all right, go fucking move on.

00:56:48.000 I just started watching football, literally, this last year.

00:56:51.000 And, you know, when I see guys collide, I've had so many injuries, knee surgeries and shit, and jiu-jitsu injuries, I see guys get hit, I just like, I fucking hold my knees, I hold my back.

00:57:02.000 It's the most brutal shit of all time.

00:57:05.000 A guy who's 290 pounds is running full blast and colliding with you with 100% of his strength.

00:57:12.000 Yeah.

00:57:13.000 Yeah.

00:57:14.000 It's fucking crazy, man.

00:57:15.000 I used to, when I was 38, I was a SAR major in the army and like, I don't know, hand-to-hand jiu-jitsu kind of got boring for me.

00:57:23.000 So like I was looking for other hobbies.

00:57:25.000 I was at the PX and I seen like the Fort Bragg rugby team practices like Tuesday at 6 or something.

00:57:32.000 So I just went out there for something to do, man.

00:57:35.000 And I'm going to tell you, you think fucking jujitsu fucks people up?

00:57:39.000 Fucking go play fucking rugby.

00:57:42.000 Matter of fact, stay the fuck away from rugby.

00:57:44.000 It's fucking brutal.

00:57:45.000 No helmets.

00:57:46.000 No, nothing, man.

00:57:47.000 And like, when I was a kid, I don't know if I can say this, but we played Smear the Queer all the time.

00:57:52.000 Like, I don't know what you call that, but that's what it was just called when we were kids.

00:57:55.000 I'd come home, my shirt would be ripped, I'd get another beating, because like, you ripped another shirt.

00:57:59.000 These are expensive.

00:58:00.000 You know what I mean?

00:58:01.000 But like, it's my brother's anyway, right?

00:58:03.000 Like, not like he bought me a shirt.

00:58:05.000 But, man, it was like crazy.

00:58:08.000 My first practice, like, the ball's sitting there, and one of the coaches is like, grab the ball and run!

00:58:13.000 I just fucking grabbed a ball and just ran every one of these little motherfuckers over.

00:58:17.000 And then guys were like, man, what college do you play in?

00:58:20.000 I was like, uh, none.

00:58:24.000 And I never played rugby a day in my league.

00:58:27.000 My first game was like fucking in my third practice.

00:58:30.000 You know what I mean?

00:58:31.000 That's crazy.

00:58:32.000 But in doing jujitsu and fighting people in Iraq every night, like I thought rugby was kind of easy.

00:58:38.000 The guy's running at me and I just got to take him down, fucking double legs.

00:58:41.000 And then I started getting more tackles than anyone in my coach.

00:58:44.000 You know, they keep stats and be like, you had like 80 tackles a game.

00:58:48.000 How do you do that?

00:58:49.000 And it's like double, double, double leg takedown, single leg, maybe a trip.

00:58:54.000 Yeah.

00:58:55.000 You know what I mean?

00:58:56.000 And then one of the times, one of the coaches was like, hey, will you teach us how do you normally tackle?

00:59:02.000 You get the most tackles and double, single legs.

00:59:06.000 So you basically teach them wrestling?

00:59:07.000 I just taught wrestling.

00:59:09.000 Why don't they teach them that?

00:59:10.000 That would seem to be a good skill.

00:59:13.000 I bet the pro-level fuckers are doing that shit.

00:59:15.000 They have to.

00:59:16.000 They have to.

00:59:17.000 I know a lot of linemen do cali for hand speed and stuff like that.

00:59:25.000 You know what I mean?

00:59:26.000 Because they've got to win the hand fight.

00:59:29.000 I know there's a lot of sports that use a lot of discipline.

00:59:32.000 I would imagine they would have to be...

00:59:35.000 Fucking having, you know, wrestling practice or takedown tackle practice, right?

00:59:40.000 I would imagine they're doing same shit as everyone else.

00:59:42.000 Well, just understanding leverage and how to manipulate a body.

00:59:46.000 Right.

00:59:46.000 Yeah.

00:59:47.000 Right.

00:59:47.000 Well, there's no pads.

00:59:50.000 So, you know, you can't come 30 miles an hour into this tackle.

00:59:54.000 You might have to come in at 10 miles an hour.

00:59:56.000 You know what I mean?

00:59:57.000 Because you got no pads.

00:59:58.000 Right.

00:59:59.000 Well, that's the argument against pads in football, is that these guys, the only reason why they can play the way they are and collide with each other full blast is because they have helmets and pads on, which is totally true.

01:00:10.000 I want thicker helmets and more collisions.

01:00:12.000 Let's go!

01:00:14.000 Come on.

01:00:15.000 It would be a wild game if you had American football and no pads.

01:00:19.000 I mean, that's what they used to do.

01:00:20.000 Way back, they had those little leather hat.

01:00:22.000 Yeah, they had the leather helmet.

01:00:24.000 Like, you couldn't pay me to wear one of those.

01:00:25.000 Get the fuck out of here with that.

01:00:26.000 I wonder how many guys died playing that.

01:00:29.000 Imagine how many concussions.

01:00:31.000 How many head-to-head collisions, running full blast.

01:00:35.000 And then, you know, if you're Samoan, you're like some big giant dude, you're gonna go head-to-head with guys because you know you're gonna win it.

01:00:42.000 Yeah, fuck every time.

01:00:43.000 So you're just fucking head-butting everybody.

01:00:45.000 The Army team has a lot of Tongans.

01:00:48.000 There's a Fort Bragg.

01:00:50.000 Tongans are paratroopers as people.

01:00:52.000 I don't know how that works, but they are, man.

01:00:54.000 They all play rugby.

01:00:56.000 A buddy of mine was like, I was like, you know, when did you start playing rugby?

01:01:01.000 He was like, I was like three, you know, huge guy.

01:01:04.000 I knew I was doing pretty good at rugby when the Tongans were like, they'd pick teams and all the Tongans would be like, we want Big John.

01:01:14.000 You can have the rest.

01:01:15.000 And I'd be like, yeah, me and the Tongans will get some, right?

01:01:18.000 We'll fucking crush the people.

01:01:19.000 But, like, they start playing with, like, a coconut.

01:01:22.000 Jesus.

01:01:23.000 Imagine holding a coconut and just going down ribs on a coconut.

01:01:27.000 And I'm like, why would you play with a coconut?

01:01:30.000 And he was like, well, there was only one rugby ball on the island and the bigger boys had it.

01:01:34.000 Jesus.

01:01:35.000 Okay.

01:01:36.000 Yeah.

01:01:37.000 Yeah, I played rugby for a while, and I stopped doing MMA to play rugby, but what I realized is rugby is way more injury-prone and dangerous, so I kind of went back to jiu-jitsu.

01:01:48.000 Oh, yeah.

01:01:48.000 One-on-one is definitely you can control a lot more of what's going on than a bunch of dudes.

01:01:55.000 Yeah.

01:01:55.000 Colliding into each other.

01:01:56.000 Yeah.

01:01:56.000 I agree, man.

01:01:58.000 It's a hard fucking sport.

01:01:59.000 I know.

01:01:59.000 Rugby's awesome.

01:02:00.000 It is awesome.

01:02:01.000 It's weird how it never took off in America.

01:02:03.000 It's kind of strange, you know, because we love violence.

01:02:06.000 You would imagine that rugby would be something that we would have adopted.

01:02:09.000 I think the only reason it's not popular is because of the time.

01:02:13.000 It's like soccer.

01:02:15.000 Once it starts, it doesn't stop.

01:02:17.000 Americans want to go take a piss and get another beer and come back.

01:02:21.000 And you have to have commercials.

01:02:23.000 That's the big thing about soccer.

01:02:24.000 And the game never stops.

01:02:26.000 It's tough to sell commercials because you can't stop the game.

01:02:29.000 Whereas football, you have half time, bro.

01:02:32.000 You've got a whole half hour.

01:02:33.000 Well, you ever see the apps that just show you the plays of football?

01:02:36.000 A whole game's like 12 minutes of actual work.

01:02:39.000 You know what I mean?

01:02:39.000 10 minutes.

01:02:40.000 Whereas soccer, those motherfuckers are running the entire time.

01:02:43.000 80 minutes, let's go, and it doesn't stop.

01:02:45.000 You have to be in insane shape to play soccer.

01:02:48.000 The cardio is just nuts.

01:02:50.000 You're basically sprinting for the entire game.

01:02:52.000 I never played soccer, but I don't think I would enjoy it.

01:02:56.000 Well, we went to watch.

01:02:57.000 They have a professional league here in Austin, and these dudes have these fucking quarter-horse legs.

01:03:03.000 They have thin upper bodies and these fucking gigantic legs because they're just constantly doing plyometrics.

01:03:09.000 They're just constantly sprinting and going side to side and left and right and fucking crazy cardio.

01:03:15.000 But it's never going to sell in America if you can't have commercials.

01:03:18.000 Yeah, I think that's why rugby's not popular also.

01:03:21.000 Yeah, I mean, that makes sense.

01:03:22.000 Maybe they just change the rules a little bit.

01:03:25.000 Right.

01:03:25.000 You know?

01:03:26.000 Give us a little break every seven minutes.

01:03:27.000 Well, it's kind of crazy.

01:03:28.000 Here's what we're saying is rugby starts and stops without a time.

01:03:32.000 That's the same thing we want, you just said, for MMA. Oh, yeah.

01:03:36.000 Well, that's the problem with MMA, too, right?

01:03:38.000 You can't have a no-time-limit fight because...

01:03:41.000 How are you going to get the next fight at midnight or 10 o'clock?

01:03:45.000 Also, dudes would kind of fight to the death.

01:03:47.000 Like if you get the best of the best today where they're so evenly matched and they're brawling for an hour.

01:03:52.000 It could go four hours, five hours.

01:03:54.000 And then it would probably end your career.

01:03:57.000 Like at the end of it, you might not ever be the same again.

01:03:59.000 You'd be spent.

01:04:00.000 You'd be spent.

01:04:00.000 Like you got one of those in you.

01:04:02.000 Right, because there's a lot of guys.

01:04:03.000 There's a fight, and you could point to that fight and say he was never the same.

01:04:08.000 Tony Ferguson, Justin Gaethje, a lot of people point to that fight.

01:04:12.000 Justin Gaethje battered Tony Ferguson so bad.

01:04:14.000 He was undefeated up until that, or maybe he lost a couple of times, but he was the boogeyman.

01:04:19.000 Tony Ferguson was the scariest dude in the sport.

01:04:22.000 And then one bad beating, and he was kind of never the same again.

01:04:26.000 Because one bad beating just changes everything.

01:04:30.000 You just never really recover.

01:04:31.000 Yeah, well once you lose the mental edge, right?

01:04:35.000 There's a little bit of that, but there's also like a bad beating to the brain like he got just he got hit so many times in his head a bad beating to the brain after a certain I mean No matter who you are, if you're sparring and if you're fighting, you're getting hit in the head, period.

01:04:51.000 And so over the course of your career, you're already accumulating a certain amount of abuse, and there's one fight that could break the camel's back.

01:04:59.000 Like in boxing, I always point to Meldrick Taylor, Julio Cesar Chavez.

01:05:04.000 Like, Meldrick Taylor was the fucking man, won the gold medal in the Olympics, and Chavez just methodically broke him down and then stopped him in the last round of their fight.

01:05:13.000 Like, literally, at two seconds to go, Richard Steele stops the fight.

01:05:17.000 And from then on, he was never the same.

01:05:19.000 He took so much of a beating in that fight that he was never the same again.

01:05:23.000 Yeah, I think that happens with soldiers, too.

01:05:25.000 I've seen a lot of guys who are like, we got mortared or rocketed, and then...

01:05:30.000 Next deployment guy doesn't want to, you know what I mean?

01:05:33.000 So it's a mental thing.

01:05:34.000 Yeah, I think there's a time where everybody says enough's enough, right?

01:05:38.000 Like, whether you want to or not, and then once you reach that point, like, coming back from that point to become that mental champion again, it's a fucking long road.

01:05:49.000 Is there anything like you as a leader when you see a guy who's maybe crossed over in that way?

01:05:57.000 Is there anything that you would do to try to bring him back or is there nothing that can be done?

01:06:03.000 That's a great question.

01:06:05.000 Define bring him back.

01:06:07.000 Define what's wrong with him.

01:06:08.000 Right.

01:06:09.000 I guess a confidence thing or just being terrified.

01:06:13.000 Like new fear being introduced.

01:06:16.000 You know, a lot of guys think they're indestructible until they're not.

01:06:20.000 And then all of a sudden now this is a new factor.

01:06:23.000 Yeah.

01:06:24.000 I used to teach tandem jumping and bundle jumping in the military.

01:06:29.000 And I don't know if you've ever seen my social media, but I'm in the sky flying and there's that huge barrel under me.

01:06:35.000 I used to teach that.

01:06:37.000 And what would happen is if you had a bad jump, a bundle jump, you would have to cut away.

01:06:44.000 And we called it the nightmare, right?

01:06:46.000 And you got to end the nightmare.

01:06:48.000 And this thing starts spinning you out of control.

01:06:49.000 It'll be so many G's that you'll pass out.

01:06:52.000 The parachute will open.

01:06:56.000 We used to tell guys, like, fucking end that nightmare.

01:07:00.000 Make sense?

01:07:01.000 Now, you're the captain of the ship, so a guy would have to end this nightmare, however he ended the nightmare, right?

01:07:07.000 And then what would happen is, afterwards, we'd review the video, and I'd have to show a guy, right?

01:07:12.000 And then we'd leave him in the classroom for a minute, and we'd tell him, hey, gather your emotions.

01:07:19.000 Whatever you need to do.

01:07:20.000 And then get on the next plane.

01:07:23.000 Get right back on the horse.

01:07:24.000 Get fucking back on that next plane.

01:07:26.000 Yeah.

01:07:26.000 You know what I mean?

01:07:27.000 And guys would do that.

01:07:29.000 You know what I mean?

01:07:30.000 A lot more SEALs needed that time than like unit guys because unit guys like...

01:07:36.000 Yo, I'll fly this motherfucker up your ass.

01:07:38.000 We ain't gonna have no problems today, son.

01:07:40.000 You know what I mean?

01:07:41.000 What's the difference?

01:07:43.000 I don't know.

01:07:44.000 I think the difference is that the unit is always more mature than SEALs.

01:07:48.000 It's an older culture.

01:07:49.000 It's older guys.

01:07:51.000 More experienced guys, more methodical guys, more planned out.

01:07:56.000 So like in a lot of times, like, you know, younger guys, normally the SEALs, they'll have their jump numbers, but they're like, their core, their...

01:08:08.000 What makes you you?

01:08:12.000 Confidence, dexterity, strength, fucking health...

01:08:17.000 It ain't there yet.

01:08:18.000 And they kind of freak out once in a while.

01:08:21.000 Younger guys.

01:08:22.000 It's a maturity thing, I think.

01:08:23.000 Normally happens at the SEALs.

01:08:25.000 Most unit guys are pretty mature and have been through so much shit by the time they get to the unit that, like, you're probably unshakable by then.

01:08:32.000 You see that in fights, too.

01:08:34.000 Like, young, undefeated guys who fight, like, a world champion who's, like, in their 30s and that guy breaks them down.

01:08:42.000 And then you see, like, they don't know what to do when things are going sideways, and then mentally they fall apart.

01:08:49.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:08:50.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:08:52.000 That's when the bad decisions will start, you know what I mean?

01:08:54.000 And the reality is you've got to snap your fucking self out of that.

01:08:58.000 You've got to fucking put your parachute back on and get the fuck back on that airplane.

01:09:01.000 I had plenty of those jumps.

01:09:03.000 I've cut away more.

01:09:04.000 Fuck, I had a cutaway training for D-Day last year.

01:09:06.000 Fucking put my cutaway.

01:09:07.000 You can see how fucking low I am and everything, you know what I mean?

01:09:13.000 And I have procedures.

01:09:14.000 I have another parachute.

01:09:16.000 Like, we're all gonna die.

01:09:17.000 Am I gonna let it ruin my day kind of thing?

01:09:19.000 Like, let's fucking move on.

01:09:20.000 You know what I mean?

01:09:22.000 But how did you develop that mentality, just over time?

01:09:25.000 I think that comes with what I just said is the core of a person, and I think this is what the Army is really good at, is developing this core, right?

01:09:33.000 In this core, right, how do I develop your confidence?

01:09:38.000 Well, I don't fucking know.

01:09:40.000 I couldn't even define fucking confidence, because I went to the Chicago Public fucking school system, but I could tell you this, if I taught you to rally race car drive, And you got pretty fucking good at it.

01:09:51.000 If I taught you jujitsu, eventually you're pretty fucking good at it.

01:09:55.000 I show you skydiving, eventually you're pretty fucking good at it, right?

01:09:59.000 Why?

01:09:59.000 It's because every one of these things I showed you, world-class level.

01:10:03.000 And we brought world champions in to show you, right?

01:10:06.000 Eventually, you're gonna gain confidence.

01:10:09.000 It's the taking your daughter to karate or little kids to jujitsu.

01:10:13.000 They have confidence that other kids don't have, right?

01:10:17.000 That's what you've got to build.

01:10:18.000 So it takes a lot of different skills and getting guys good at a lot of different skills to build that fucking unshakable core.

01:10:26.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:10:28.000 Yeah.

01:10:28.000 And it's a matter of when do you introduce them to extreme adversity?

01:10:35.000 Do you build them up slowly?

01:10:37.000 Right.

01:10:38.000 And it has to be built slowly.

01:10:41.000 And then we used to say this, like...

01:10:47.000 Aircraft training, right?

01:10:48.000 Let's say you got a breaching airplane, right?

01:10:51.000 And you got to climb a fucking 20-foot ladder because these motherfuckers ain't low to the ground, right?

01:10:56.000 And you're hanging on a ladder and you weigh fucking 280 pounds and you're shit.

01:11:01.000 But you're on these fucking ladders with fucking six other guys who all weigh the same as you or more.

01:11:07.000 You gotta crack the door, get the fuck in this airplane, right?

01:11:10.000 Now, let's just say this is your first time, and you crack that door the first time, and as an instructor, I know you're cracking the door, and as soon as you crack that door, I fucking shoot you in the face.

01:11:22.000 Pow!

01:11:23.000 You know what I mean?

01:11:24.000 Yeah.

01:11:24.000 And with the training round, right?

01:11:26.000 How fucking embarrassing, right?

01:11:28.000 And then the reality is, yo, you just ruined this motherfucker forever.

01:11:32.000 How do you breach an airplane?

01:11:34.000 What's the successful protocol for breaching an airplane?

01:11:38.000 Mechanical or explosive?

01:11:43.000 What do you mean?

01:11:45.000 Sometimes we open doors.

01:11:47.000 Sometimes we blow doors.

01:11:48.000 It depends.

01:11:49.000 So which one you want to know about?

01:11:50.000 Okay.

01:11:50.000 Let's go with mechanical.

01:11:52.000 Yeah.

01:11:52.000 Most doors have a lever on the outside that can be activated.

01:11:56.000 And most doors, there's a certain way they open, right?

01:11:59.000 My team, I was always kind of like a primary door guy.

01:12:04.000 And then there's a certain way doors open.

01:12:06.000 There's latches.

01:12:07.000 So all airplane doors open from the outside.

01:12:10.000 But once you breach it, though, you're in a tube.

01:12:13.000 You're in a tube.

01:12:14.000 And everybody knows where the door is.

01:12:16.000 Yes.

01:12:16.000 It's a very vulnerable position.

01:12:18.000 Yes.

01:12:19.000 So what's the protocol for breaching a door when you're in a tube like that?

01:12:24.000 So what you have to do is breach as many doors as possible and get as many people in as possible, as quick as possible, and everyone goes to positions, right?

01:12:34.000 You got cover guys, you got runners, you got searchers.

01:12:37.000 It's a lot of shit that needs to go on on these fucking aircrafts.

01:12:40.000 Same with a fucking big cruise liner, right?

01:12:42.000 So, um, everybody's gonna, once the door is open, everyone's gonna flood in and kinda, like, go to their places.

01:12:50.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:12:51.000 Mm-hmm.

01:12:52.000 Right.

01:12:53.000 So you plan it out, you know where you're going to be, and then you're still dealing with the chaos of you're in a tube and there's only one way in.

01:13:02.000 And things are coming at you no matter what.

01:13:05.000 So there's no clean way to do that.

01:13:07.000 Not even once.

01:13:11.000 Not even once.

01:13:12.000 Fuck no, man.

01:13:14.000 You know what I mean?

01:13:15.000 What a crazy fucking task.

01:13:17.000 I know.

01:13:17.000 But back to the point is, if a guy cracks that door, any door, let's say it's your first time I'm showing you like, all right, Joe, I'm going to show you some close quarter battle.

01:13:28.000 I'm going to show you how I clear a door and then just joking around like you're about to go through a door and I shot you in the fucking forehead.

01:13:35.000 You would mentally never want to go through that door again, right?

01:13:38.000 So I have to build you up to where, well, the first time you come through the door, well, I just let you come through the door.

01:13:45.000 Right.

01:13:46.000 And then it builds from there.

01:13:47.000 Got it.

01:13:48.000 And then there's a point where it's like, well, this motherfucker's shooting through the crack of the airplane.

01:13:52.000 Wait till I'm in this fucking bitch.

01:13:54.000 I got two pistols on me.

01:13:55.000 This motherfucker's going down.

01:13:57.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:13:58.000 Yeah.

01:13:59.000 So as you're...

01:14:01.000 As your confidence, your core, that core of a human being, like that core of an operator, right?

01:14:07.000 As that, like, becomes fucking concrete, a guy's just unshakable.

01:14:12.000 Like, I don't give a fuck what this position.

01:14:14.000 I don't care.

01:14:15.000 Like, I don't care if I fucking die.

01:14:16.000 Let's do this, you know?

01:14:17.000 And it's consistent training over and over and over again.

01:14:20.000 Over and over and over.

01:14:21.000 Do you think that this is what's missing in the police force?

01:14:24.000 Oh man, are you kidding me?

01:14:26.000 First off, I work in a lot of police departments.

01:14:27.000 I love police.

01:14:29.000 I support police all the time.

01:14:32.000 It's a fucking thankless job.

01:14:33.000 I'll say that.

01:14:35.000 But I would say, like, think about this, Joe.

01:14:38.000 If you trained police better, right?

01:14:40.000 I work at a lot of police academies.

01:14:42.000 I've helped a lot of police academies.

01:14:44.000 They don't fail people anymore.

01:14:45.000 I show them what I do.

01:14:46.000 I train them to do what I do.

01:14:48.000 They have great success with it.

01:14:50.000 I would say this in a police academy.

01:14:52.000 Let's say it's six months long, whatever they do.

01:14:55.000 I don't fucking know.

01:14:57.000 Probably about four months of that is fucking paperwork.

01:15:02.000 And then, you know, you get a little hand-to-hand, you get a little driving, you get a little shooting, and then you learn what.

01:15:11.000 But I'm going to tell you this, as a cop, you got the rest of your life to do that paperwork.

01:15:16.000 And when you're in training, as soon as you get your first arrest, your training officer is going to be like, don't write it that way.

01:15:23.000 Hold on.

01:15:23.000 Let me see your paperwork.

01:15:25.000 Like this.

01:15:26.000 The paperwork could be OJT, and they could spend them time training these guys.

01:15:32.000 Now, I'd also say this.

01:15:34.000 If police were trained better, and truly uniformed officers are probably the only guys stopping crime as it happens, If we train those guys better, why would we need SWAT teams?

01:15:48.000 Right, you would have SWAT teams through the whole thing.

01:15:52.000 Everyone could be SWAT. And if we got 10 of us come together, we're our own SWAT team.

01:16:00.000 And then we could operate independently.

01:16:02.000 We could operate one or two.

01:16:04.000 I think police don't do the force multiplier thing.

01:16:07.000 Each guy is his own fucking bastion of the law.

01:16:12.000 You know what I mean?

01:16:13.000 I just think they kind of share injuries.

01:16:16.000 They don't do hand-to-hand.

01:16:18.000 Right.

01:16:18.000 Shooting could be dangerous.

01:16:20.000 Right.

01:16:20.000 And then most shooting is, you know, the instructor is God and you are fucking stupid.

01:16:26.000 That's how most training is.

01:16:27.000 It's like basic training.

01:16:28.000 And like, no one learns well like that either.

01:16:30.000 You know what I mean?

01:16:31.000 Right.

01:16:32.000 Yeah.

01:16:33.000 I'm always shocked when I see fat cops.

01:16:36.000 Like really fat cops.

01:16:38.000 And I was like, how?

01:16:40.000 Your whole life is your body.

01:16:43.000 Like your whole life is you have to be able to physically defend yourself.

01:16:46.000 You have weapons.

01:16:47.000 You have, you know, the law and the uniform and bulletproof vest and all that.

01:16:52.000 But your physical body is almost useless.

01:16:56.000 Yeah.

01:16:57.000 I was at a football game the other day, and there's this obese cop, enormous belly.

01:17:02.000 I was like, this is disgusting.

01:17:04.000 It's ridiculous.

01:17:05.000 You've let yourself get to this point where I know you can't even run.

01:17:10.000 You can't last 30 seconds.

01:17:12.000 All someone has to do is grab ahold of your arm that you would use to take your gun and control that arm, get you to the ground, and you're fucked.

01:17:19.000 Shit, I just baseball collar the back of their fucking collar of their shirt.

01:17:23.000 Where the fuck are you going?

01:17:25.000 You know what I mean?

01:17:25.000 It's crazy.

01:17:26.000 Yeah, look.

01:17:28.000 Okay, first off.

01:17:30.000 I think also police should have different jobs like the army.

01:17:35.000 So, okay, if you were 400 pounds, maybe you're the computer guy at the police force or a desk guy or, you know what I mean?

01:17:44.000 I don't think everyone needs to be the fittest human being ever.

01:17:48.000 However, if you're on patrol...

01:17:50.000 Get the young six foot kids in there, man.

01:17:53.000 You know what I mean?

01:17:53.000 They can handle themselves.

01:17:54.000 They're young.

01:17:55.000 They're bigger than normal, right?

01:17:57.000 This is why a lot of troopers, state troopers used to have like a six foot, six one, six two height requirement because a six foot two man can generally handle most people.

01:18:08.000 Right.

01:18:08.000 You know what I mean?

01:18:09.000 Especially a fit one who's trained.

01:18:11.000 Yeah.

01:18:11.000 So I think the fit guys need to be on the force.

01:18:14.000 I think there's room for everybody.

01:18:17.000 But I think with police is you're a police officer or you're a detective and then that's it.

01:18:23.000 But really you're always a cop versus like, well, the army, right?

01:18:27.000 Okay.

01:18:28.000 There's drone pilots.

01:18:29.000 There's all these army jobs that kick the infantry kids out the door.

01:18:34.000 Right.

01:18:34.000 Why don't police kind of organize like that?

01:18:37.000 And that way, like...

01:18:38.000 The guys that are going to run people down can run.

01:18:41.000 That's what drives me crazy about this whole defund the police horse shit.

01:18:44.000 Like, are you fucking crazy?

01:18:46.000 You should be funding them more.

01:18:48.000 Fucking crime is real.

01:18:49.000 Yeah, it's real.

01:18:50.000 Evil's real.

01:18:51.000 Evil's fucking real.

01:18:52.000 Yeah.

01:18:53.000 Yeah, to pretend it's not.

01:18:54.000 Well, that just means you haven't experienced it.

01:18:56.000 Yeah, you're living with blinders on.

01:18:57.000 Yeah.

01:18:58.000 Yeah, I agree.

01:19:00.000 Yeah, it's just bizarre that we expect these people to encounter danger and evil all day long, their whole lives, like 25, 30 years.

01:19:10.000 And, you know, you don't train them properly.

01:19:14.000 You don't fund them properly.

01:19:15.000 And then they get disrespected by the public.

01:19:17.000 Oh, that's the worst.

01:19:19.000 I think the worst is when, like, the mayor or the police fucking chief is, like, not supportive of all of the fucking guys.

01:19:28.000 And it's like, you think the guys have bad intent?

01:19:31.000 You know what I mean?

01:19:31.000 I get it.

01:19:32.000 There might be bad apples or whatever.

01:19:34.000 Everyone's got 10 percent.

01:19:35.000 Say what you want.

01:19:35.000 But, like, how about Kamala Harris?

01:19:37.000 When she was running for president, she was all about defund the police.

01:19:40.000 I don't know how that sells with anybody in the country.

01:19:43.000 It's like 2019, 2020. It's fucking crazy.

01:19:46.000 It's a crazy thing to say.

01:19:47.000 It really is a crazy thing to say.

01:19:49.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:19:50.000 I mean, if we defunded the police, we'd be Mexico quicker than we thought.

01:19:55.000 Yeah, right, right.

01:19:57.000 Because the cartels would just drive over the border.

01:19:59.000 Yeah.

01:20:01.000 That's real.

01:20:01.000 Yeah.

01:20:02.000 Yeah.

01:20:03.000 What do you think about this idea of using special forces, guys, to fight the cartels?

01:20:09.000 First and foremost, like, if you were like, yo, we're gonna wipe out a cartel tonight, I'd have been like, I'll load my frags extra careful, like, let's go, right?

01:20:20.000 But the reality is, is like...

01:20:22.000 I know all my buddies are like, yeah, we'll fuck them up in a night.

01:20:26.000 We'll fucking, yo, yo, fucking let's back up a fucking second here.

01:20:32.000 The cartels have fucking men.

01:20:35.000 They own the ground.

01:20:36.000 They have fucking technicals.

01:20:38.000 They have machine guns.

01:20:39.000 They have fucking everything an army has.

01:20:43.000 Right?

01:20:44.000 And they've had decades to train waiting for this.

01:20:48.000 Number two.

01:20:49.000 And number three, our government's fucking compromised.

01:20:52.000 So if you think they ain't gonna know you're coming...

01:20:55.000 You know what I mean?

01:20:56.000 I think you're fucking high.

01:20:58.000 Jesus Christ, that's a terrifying thought.

01:21:00.000 The government's so compromised, the cartel's gonna get the word out before...

01:21:04.000 Well, how are we gonna...

01:21:05.000 Look, we're not good at being fucking sneaky.

01:21:07.000 We're not the Israelis doing that fucking pager shit.

01:21:10.000 That pager shit was wild.

01:21:11.000 Yo, that needs to be the model for every fucking thing we do in the future.

01:21:15.000 No matter what you think about the Israelis, what's going on in Gaza, that pager shit was wild.

01:21:20.000 Which tells me America should go back to making its own fucking cell phones and its own...

01:21:25.000 We shouldn't have our fucking comms made overseas at all in any way, shape, or form, in my opinion.

01:21:30.000 No, I've been saying that forever.

01:21:31.000 We should have our own cell phones.

01:21:33.000 Fuck.

01:21:34.000 And the fact that we're buying so much shit from China.

01:21:36.000 Fuck!

01:21:37.000 Especially after they banned Huawei because they know that Huawei stuff was compromised and they're having third party input and be able to spy on people.

01:21:45.000 It's fucking crazy.

01:21:46.000 Well, this is why we got to go back to making America like it used to be.

01:21:50.000 We made our own shit.

01:21:51.000 We use our own shit.

01:21:52.000 We wouldn't have to worry about none of this.

01:21:54.000 Yeah.

01:21:55.000 It's a very strange thing, what's happening in this country, where China's allowed to buy land that's near military bases.

01:22:03.000 They supply cell phone towers.

01:22:06.000 They sell us all this different shit, and we don't really know.

01:22:11.000 I mean, I don't know how many experts are investigating these fucking cell phone towers.

01:22:15.000 Fucking zero, I bet.

01:22:16.000 Fucking zero.

01:22:17.000 Mike Baker was on here and he was telling me about how around military bases like China has installed their equipment in all these military bases.

01:22:26.000 Like at Formula One, where we were, my buddy owns the track and they found these Chinese boxes they had attached to the Wi-Fi.

01:22:35.000 So they were just scooping up everybody's data.

01:22:38.000 They called in Homeland Security to have them remove it and investigate it.

01:22:42.000 Fucking racetrack.

01:22:43.000 A racetrack!

01:22:44.000 But they knew everybody was going to be using this public Wi-Fi, probably no VPNs, probably no security, and these people are getting all their shit siphoned up.

01:22:53.000 Fuck.

01:22:54.000 They're so sophisticated in how they've infiltrated, it's fucking crazy.

01:22:58.000 And we just allow it to happen.

01:23:00.000 It's very strange, because you can't buy shit in China.

01:23:03.000 If you think you're an American company going to go over to China and operate with autonomy, you're out of your fucking mind.

01:23:09.000 You can't buy shit.

01:23:11.000 They'll never let an American- Never!

01:23:13.000 No, they don't want- Chinese would never buy communication devices from America.

01:23:18.000 No!

01:23:19.000 And they certainly would never let America buy farmland right next to their military bases.

01:23:23.000 They'd be like, fuck you!

01:23:25.000 We're like, sure, we'll sell it to you.

01:23:27.000 Are you going to pay more?

01:23:28.000 Oh boy.

01:23:29.000 We'll take your money.

01:23:31.000 It's weird.

01:23:32.000 It's weird how goofy we are.

01:23:34.000 I know.

01:23:35.000 I think it's this, Joe.

01:23:37.000 I think people don't realize how fucking dangerous the rest of the world is and how people are plotting against us.

01:23:45.000 It's fucking real out there.

01:23:47.000 The world is a crazy place.

01:23:48.000 I say this.

01:23:49.000 You don't know how fucking safe you got it here and how fucking great we got it here.

01:23:54.000 You know what I mean?

01:23:55.000 People don't know that because they don't never leave here, so they're stuck in their own fucking bad attitude of their own grind or whatever the fuck they do.

01:24:04.000 And like, look, I'm telling you the world is fucking evil.

01:24:07.000 People will fucking rape you, kill you.

01:24:10.000 No one gives a fuck.

01:24:11.000 Like, protect yourself all the time, man.

01:24:14.000 Well, you've been to parts of the world where you've seen this firsthand.

01:24:17.000 And I think it's one of those things where if you don't see it, you don't believe it.

01:24:22.000 Yeah.

01:24:22.000 I'll tell you one of the, I think the biggest thing I saw in Iraq.

01:24:28.000 I think in maybe 2009-ish, there was like the most fucking US soldiers.

01:24:37.000 Ever been in Iraq, right?

01:24:38.000 Like, whatever the numbers are, I don't fucking know, right?

01:24:41.000 But when Iraq had the most fucking soldiers it has ever had in Iraq is when Iraq was the safest.

01:24:49.000 Think about it.

01:24:50.000 You know what I mean?

01:24:51.000 All we had to do was put a fucking tank under every fucking overpass in every fucking neighborhood.

01:24:56.000 There's a machine gun and a fucking.50 cal Humvee, right?

01:24:59.000 Like, who's fucking around?

01:25:00.000 They're everywhere.

01:25:02.000 And that's the safest Iraq ever was.

01:25:05.000 I'm telling you, we have that here and people don't understand that in general.

01:25:09.000 So if you wanted to fund the police, fuck, man, we're fucked.

01:25:12.000 You know what I mean?

01:25:13.000 Yeah.

01:25:13.000 Like, it's a crazy...

01:25:16.000 You know, do you know Evan, Evan Hafer?

01:25:18.000 Yes.

01:25:18.000 Yeah, Evan was, we were in elk camp and he was explaining some of the shit that he saw when he went from Iraq to Afghanistan.

01:25:28.000 He's like, Afghanistan is so fucked that you can't even comprehend it until you're there.

01:25:34.000 He goes, once you're there and you see it and you understand it, you become so cynical.

01:25:39.000 You're almost like, this culture is like unfixable.

01:25:42.000 And he's like, most people just don't know that a place like that exists.

01:25:46.000 That's so just down to its core.

01:25:50.000 So fucked.

01:25:51.000 And we was talking about how these guys have these boys that they have as their harem.

01:25:57.000 The number nine boy.

01:25:58.000 What's that?

01:25:59.000 That's what the Egyptian Special Forces called him, the number nine boy.

01:26:03.000 He's the boy that gets fucked.

01:26:04.000 Why number nine?

01:26:05.000 I don't know.

01:26:06.000 That's what the Egyptian Special Forces called him.

01:26:08.000 But every Afghanistan village had a fucking, what do they call it, the chogi boy or fucking something like that.

01:26:13.000 But basically, the 12-year-old that gets raped.

01:26:17.000 He was saying these guys have harems and they would parade them down the street to show they have the most boys.

01:26:21.000 Yeah, this happened to me on my...

01:26:23.000 So I did a solo mission in Afghanistan, the book Kill Bin Laden.

01:26:28.000 You ever hear of it?

01:26:29.000 Yeah.

01:26:29.000 I brought a hardback for you.

01:26:31.000 Oh, nice.

01:26:31.000 I'll sign it for you if you want.

01:26:33.000 Sure.

01:26:33.000 But it's hard to get a hardback.

01:26:35.000 It's like it's got library shit in it.

01:26:38.000 I had to buy it.

01:26:38.000 Because people always ask me to sign it.

01:26:40.000 I didn't write the book.

01:26:41.000 I'm just in it.

01:26:44.000 And people always ask me for a signature on it, right?

01:26:46.000 So I bought, like, I don't know, a family or friends, someone wanted one.

01:26:49.000 I bought, like, a lot from a library.

01:26:51.000 They didn't use them no more because they don't sell the hardbacks no more.

01:26:54.000 But I went out on a mission alone in Afghanistan.

01:26:58.000 I was gone 10 days.

01:27:00.000 First, I think, first successful mission of the war.

01:27:04.000 My opinion.

01:27:05.000 I don't know if there's other missions that were more successful than mine.

01:27:09.000 So I went out alone and then I do the recon.

01:27:13.000 I have the footage I need.

01:27:15.000 I have every fucking thing I need to launch a raid.

01:27:19.000 We...

01:27:19.000 I'm alone.

01:27:20.000 We stop.

01:27:21.000 I'm in a fucking jingly truck, right?

01:27:23.000 Like, I fucking just...

01:27:24.000 I'm in this truck.

01:27:25.000 I hitchhiked, basically, from Jalalabad into the Tora Bora Mountains.

01:27:30.000 I'm in a jingly truck with this fucking driver.

01:27:32.000 What's a jingly truck?

01:27:33.000 You know, where they, like...

01:27:34.000 It's like a fucking, like, a six-wheel, like, dump truck.

01:27:38.000 But, like, they hang the chains and bells, and they paint it, like, 17 different bright colors, and they...

01:27:46.000 You never seen a jing?

01:27:47.000 Yeah!

01:27:48.000 Fucking jingly truck!

01:27:49.000 What is that?

01:27:50.000 It fucking jingles, man!

01:27:52.000 What the fuck is that?

01:27:54.000 Yeah, so I'm in one of these motherfuckers with this motherfucker, right?

01:27:59.000 He's like a logger.

01:28:00.000 He runs the valley.

01:28:01.000 He's always in the area.

01:28:04.000 But I don't know any of this.

01:28:06.000 I can't even talk to the guy.

01:28:07.000 I don't fucking speak shit.

01:28:09.000 You know what I mean?

01:28:10.000 It was fucking dangerous.

01:28:12.000 I had to go through checkpoints.

01:28:13.000 I had to act like a retard to get through a fucking checkpoint.

01:28:17.000 What did you do?

01:28:19.000 I was at a fucking checkpoint and the dude was like...

01:28:22.000 The checkpoints in Afghanistan are fucking sketch.

01:28:26.000 They got one piece of yarn across the road.

01:28:30.000 You better fucking stop or you will be shot.

01:28:32.000 They don't give a fuck about you.

01:28:34.000 And, like, so the car in front of us, I think the fucking, like, this dude, like, stole bread from a little kid.

01:28:41.000 You know what I mean?

01:28:41.000 Little kid was eating a piece of bread.

01:28:43.000 We just snatched it out of the fucking car, yelled at the people.

01:28:47.000 I thought he was going to shwack them because they didn't have anything to give him that he wanted.

01:28:53.000 So, I'm in this jingly truck, comes next, fucking AK in the chest.

01:28:58.000 La, la, la, la, la, la, la.

01:28:59.000 Fuck, I don't know what the fuck he's saying, right?

01:29:00.000 But I know if I speak English, I'm dead.

01:29:03.000 So, not an option.

01:29:06.000 So, he's like yelling at me, right?

01:29:08.000 And then finally I just figured...

01:29:11.000 I'm going to do, like, volume level 12 and just fucking yell in his face, right?

01:29:16.000 So I just get super close to his face, which he didn't like.

01:29:20.000 And I'm like, no, no, no!

01:29:23.000 And the guy's like, what the fuck?

01:29:27.000 And then, like, backed up and then motioned, like, The motion, like, get the fuck through here with the AK. Wow.

01:29:34.000 Yeah.

01:29:34.000 So you just, on the spot, devised that.

01:29:37.000 Another one, I picked up, like, a dirty towel or blanket off the floor, and they took that.

01:29:43.000 But what I learned, being out alone, one of the things I learned is, you know, you watch the movies, and they pull out a wad of cash, and they're like, ah, wink, get me across the border there, friend.

01:29:54.000 These motherfuckers will just shoot you in the face and take everything you got.

01:29:58.000 Don't whip that shit out.

01:29:59.000 You're gonna get murdered.

01:30:00.000 They're just gonna take it all.

01:30:01.000 I mean, they'll steal bread from a fucking kid.

01:30:03.000 You think they give a fuck about your life?

01:30:06.000 You know what I mean?

01:30:07.000 And they just fucking throw you on the side of the road and let you rot.

01:30:10.000 Like, they don't even care about the smell.

01:30:12.000 So, like, yeah, I had to act like a retard through this one, man.

01:30:16.000 They don't give a fuck, man.

01:30:17.000 They don't give a fuck.

01:30:17.000 You just figured that out on the spot.

01:30:19.000 On the spot, yeah.

01:30:20.000 So, I get in the truck.

01:30:23.000 We do the recon.

01:30:24.000 I, like, had a, literally, I had a cigarette bag.

01:30:26.000 I think it's, like, Kent or some shit.

01:30:28.000 I don't fucking smoke, but, like, Kent cigarettes.

01:30:31.000 I had a plastic bag with my fucking sat phone.

01:30:35.000 Anyway, I had to get a camera out, get it under my arm, and I kind of filmed the house, right?

01:30:41.000 US eyes on.

01:30:42.000 And then I had to get the footage back.

01:30:44.000 So we get to the end of the valley.

01:30:46.000 It's fucking dark.

01:30:48.000 There's no way we can get out of the valley before light.

01:30:52.000 So we stop at this house and the driver's like, you know, motion us in, right?

01:30:56.000 It's the Muslim right of they can't turn you away, right?

01:30:59.000 So we go to this house.

01:31:00.000 We're in the room, bunch of old fucking grumpy men.

01:31:03.000 They don't fucking like me at all.

01:31:05.000 And the driver, I guess, goes there and crashes all the time when he's in the valley, right?

01:31:10.000 So this is normal for him to be here.

01:31:12.000 So in that room, they had this boy and they fucking drug him into another room and you could hear yelling and shit.

01:31:19.000 And I was just like, what the fuck do you do?

01:31:22.000 I have everything I need to pull off the first successful mission in Afghanistan for the American government.

01:31:30.000 Okay, do I save this kid and compromise my mission or do I just get the fuck out of here?

01:31:38.000 And pull this motherfucker off.

01:31:39.000 And the reality is I had to look the other way.

01:31:42.000 And I didn't like it, but...

01:31:43.000 So I took my speed.

01:31:45.000 You know, they give you speed.

01:31:46.000 I took my speed.

01:31:48.000 Stayed up.

01:31:48.000 Everyone went to bed.

01:31:49.000 They fed me dark opium tea.

01:31:51.000 They tried to put me down.

01:31:52.000 That's why I drank the tea anyway, knowing it was spiked.

01:31:56.000 And then I took my speed to kind of counteract it.

01:31:59.000 And then everyone went to bed.

01:32:00.000 I laid there just wide awake.

01:32:02.000 I just laid there wide awake like...

01:32:04.000 I fucking shut an eye.

01:32:06.000 These motherfuckers are going to cut my dick off and stick it in my mouth because that seems like what they like to do.

01:32:12.000 And then finally, the middle of the night, I fucking got my AK. I stuck it in the driver's face.

01:32:18.000 I drug him out to the truck like right before sunup and we fucking left the valley.

01:32:22.000 But like, you know, compromise the mission or save the kid.

01:32:27.000 What do you want?

01:32:28.000 What's it gonna be, man?

01:32:30.000 And then you just see this all over the place.

01:32:32.000 So you were one of the first guys to do these singleton missions.

01:32:37.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:32:37.000 So when they set you off to do something like that, what's the protocol?

01:32:43.000 How do they even...

01:32:47.000 Good luck.

01:32:48.000 You know what I mean?

01:32:48.000 I don't know.

01:32:49.000 What do you think?

01:32:50.000 What do they say to you?

01:32:51.000 Well, back then it was that guy, Dalton Fury, right?

01:32:54.000 The guy who wrote Kill Bin Laden, was my commander.

01:32:57.000 And, okay, it's a long story.

01:33:01.000 I'm writing a book.

01:33:02.000 It's finished.

01:33:03.000 Maybe someone would want to publish it, but it's called The Singleton, and it's about my going out alone.

01:33:09.000 But...

01:33:12.000 I was at my base.

01:33:14.000 I was in Asadabad.

01:33:15.000 And we were just getting rocketed and mortared every day.

01:33:18.000 It's kind of like mortar bait, whatever.

01:33:21.000 And then we had like fucking zero lickies and chewies.

01:33:26.000 No fucking candy, no beef jerky, no fucking Pop-Tarts, no fucking nothing, right?

01:33:32.000 And we're just sucking it up and like, I gotta eat fucking these Afghan motherfuckers cook us food and like, I'm eating vegetables.

01:33:39.000 I don't even know what the fuck that vegetable was.

01:33:41.000 I don't even recognize it as a vegetable.

01:33:43.000 You know what I mean?

01:33:44.000 Yeah, I know that's fucking goat because it tastes horrible, but I don't know what the fucking, I don't even know what the fuck they cook me.

01:33:49.000 You know what I mean?

01:33:50.000 It's like, anyway.

01:33:51.000 So I go to my boss and I'm like, yo, hey.

01:33:55.000 I want to fucking go to the main base, right, and steal Pogi from the fucking chow hall.

01:34:00.000 What's Pogi?

01:34:01.000 Pogi bait is a term for, like, beef jerky, snacks, candy, cookies, like, any kind of, like, snack food, right?

01:34:11.000 So, and my boss is like...

01:34:14.000 Yeah, if you schedule the airplanes, you make all the coordinations, you can go.

01:34:18.000 I was like, fucking bet, man.

01:34:19.000 I fucking scheduled the helicopter.

01:34:21.000 Like, motherfuckers, you don't know how resourceful I can be.

01:34:24.000 You know what I mean?

01:34:25.000 So I scheduled everything for the next night.

01:34:27.000 And then, like, I drove my—I had a red Toyota truck.

01:34:30.000 I drove my Toyota truck in the back of the Chinook, right?

01:34:33.000 So tight in there, you can't even get out.

01:34:35.000 You got to just sit there, hope you ain't got to piss.

01:34:37.000 They fly me to the main base, fucking land, driving the main base.

01:34:42.000 By this time, the army's taking over, where you gotta fucking salute on fucking the army base in Afghanistan like two weeks ago, like a fucking SAS guy lost a leg in a landmine, you know?

01:34:57.000 So I go to the base, and then the commander sees me, and he's with his sergeant major, another guy, and they're like, this is our fucking guy right here.

01:35:06.000 So like, hey, what are you doing?

01:35:08.000 And I'm like, about to raid the chow hall.

01:35:12.000 Like, what the fuck does it look like I'm doing?

01:35:14.000 You know what I mean?

01:35:15.000 Like, if it's one thing, I'm honest, right?

01:35:17.000 So I was like, yeah, I'm getting pokey for the fucking, for our base.

01:35:22.000 Like, what's up?

01:35:22.000 And they're like, hey, we got a mission for you.

01:35:24.000 And I told them, hey, I'll do it, right?

01:35:27.000 But you just got to tell my, ask my boss if it's all right, because I didn't work for these guys.

01:35:32.000 And they're like, okay, cool.

01:35:33.000 They're in my squadron, but like, not my direct boss, right?

01:35:36.000 So they call my boss.

01:35:37.000 My boss says, fine.

01:35:38.000 And they sit me in this room and they're like, hey, we want you to go out alone.

01:35:42.000 And I'm like, okay.

01:35:43.000 And they're like, explain everything to me.

01:35:45.000 We want you to go out alone.

01:35:47.000 Like, do you have any questions?

01:35:48.000 And I was like, my only question was, and it wasn't a question.

01:35:52.000 I looked the commander in the eye and I said, tell me you're going to cover my ass if something goes wrong.

01:35:58.000 And he was like, uh, oh yeah, we'll cover you.

01:36:03.000 Like, yo, you could have gave a fucking better man up with that answer, you know what I mean?

01:36:07.000 Like, you know what I mean?

01:36:08.000 He gives this like weak answer and I'm just thinking, well fuck man, you know what I mean?

01:36:13.000 So what were they telling you they wanted you to do?

01:36:15.000 Go out alone, US eyes on, get footage of this guy at his house so we could launch, right?

01:36:23.000 Because the generals back then weren't in line with Bush's dead or alive, and I believe the Pentagon was a bigger hindrance in the beginning of the war than they were worth.

01:36:36.000 How so?

01:36:40.000 Well, the general at the time that was in charge of us, our task force, right, and we're talking about tier one, like, the guy in charge then had, like, two rules.

01:36:50.000 Number one, you can leave the wire if you get USIs on a target.

01:36:56.000 Okay?

01:36:57.000 Okay.

01:36:58.000 And number two, no one leaves the wire.

01:37:00.000 Okay.

01:37:02.000 Well, how the fuck are we going to do number one if we can't leave?

01:37:06.000 Figure it out.

01:37:08.000 So, the commander, I was, because I was...

01:37:11.000 When you say, leave the wire, what do you mean exactly?

01:37:14.000 Like, go out hunting for bad guys.

01:37:16.000 Leave your base.

01:37:17.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:37:18.000 Go out in combat.

01:37:19.000 But you can't leave your base.

01:37:20.000 But you can leave the base.

01:37:23.000 But you got to get these eyes on to launch a target.

01:37:26.000 So you got to get your recon guys out there doing reconnaissance because we need these reconnaissance and US eyes on to hit these targets.

01:37:32.000 Okay, we want to launch reconnaissance.

01:37:35.000 Yeah, no one leaves a wire.

01:37:37.000 That's kind of how it worked, man, right?

01:37:39.000 So the reason they use me is according to the army, the army at every level is great at accountability.

01:37:50.000 100% we need to know where everyone is at all times, right?

01:37:53.000 So when I flew to the other base, I was in transit, right?

01:37:58.000 So they left me in transit for a week.

01:38:02.000 So instead of saying I left the wire, I was just in transit because I was in transit anyway to go get Pop-Tarts.

01:38:10.000 Wow.

01:38:14.000 So they lied to everybody, left me my staff.

01:38:18.000 And I didn't know this at the time.

01:38:19.000 Like, this could have mattered less to me.

01:38:21.000 I learned later, you know.

01:38:23.000 But they paperwork-nutshelled the general and sent out reconnaissance, and that was me.

01:38:29.000 Wow.

01:38:30.000 And then they came back with the eyes on, and the general agreed to launch the mission, and it was a success.

01:38:37.000 And no one asked, how the fuck did someone leave the wire?

01:38:41.000 Because no one cared, because we were successful.

01:38:43.000 You know what I mean?

01:38:45.000 So what are you thinking when you're out there doing this?

01:38:48.000 Like, what is going through your head when you agree to do this?

01:38:52.000 Fuck.

01:38:53.000 Figure the fuck out.

01:38:55.000 I don't fucking know.

01:38:55.000 I'm not trying to have anything in my head right now.

01:38:58.000 But that's what's crazy.

01:38:59.000 It's like, they just let you figure it out.

01:39:01.000 Yeah.

01:39:02.000 So you have to feel very vulnerable.

01:39:05.000 Um, I don't know.

01:39:06.000 I wouldn't say vulnerable, Joe, but I do think this is, like, there's guys that, like, fucking make it happen.

01:39:13.000 You probably got guys like this.

01:39:15.000 Any task you give a guy is just like, wait, you're done with that already?

01:39:18.000 Like...

01:39:19.000 Some people can just make shit happen.

01:39:21.000 And then I'm one of those guys.

01:39:23.000 That's, like, one of my better qualities.

01:39:25.000 Make it happen.

01:39:26.000 So, like, fucking go make it happen, motherfucker.

01:39:30.000 Go act like a retard when you get pulled over.

01:39:32.000 Hey, man, do what you gotta do, baby.

01:39:33.000 Like, fucking survival of the fittest.

01:39:36.000 So, the problem is, once you do one of these, now you're the guy that can go do these things.

01:39:41.000 Yeah, and I did hundreds in Iraq.

01:39:43.000 I fucking loved it.

01:39:44.000 Jesus Christ.

01:39:45.000 Yeah.

01:39:46.000 He loved it.

01:39:47.000 He loved being alone, man.

01:39:50.000 Fuck that.

01:39:52.000 Okay, think about this, Joe.

01:39:54.000 And you do jujitsu when you fight, right?

01:39:57.000 You want to depend on yourself or you want to depend on yourself and people you don't know what the fuck they're made of.

01:40:05.000 Who the fuck are you going to trust?

01:40:08.000 You're gonna trust yourself.

01:40:09.000 Right?

01:40:09.000 So it wasn't really a big stretch for me to be alone.

01:40:12.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:40:13.000 Yeah, I do, but it's still a very unusual mindset.

01:40:17.000 Yeah, maybe.

01:40:18.000 I don't know.

01:40:18.000 And then my other mindset is like, no matter where I am, no matter what I do, everyone in a 25-yard radius is gonna fucking die just so I can make it home.

01:40:31.000 And if I had to kill everyone in the whole village, goddamn right, everyone in that fucking village would be dead for me to come home.

01:40:36.000 So I just figured, yo, fucking be ready to fight at all times.

01:40:42.000 I learned 100 to 1 lessons learned, leadership lessons, 100 to 1 being alone versus being a pack of 30 motherfuckers.

01:40:51.000 Like, yo, let us come ram this down your fucking throat and we'll call it Tuesday.

01:40:56.000 You know what I mean?

01:40:57.000 Where when I was alone, like...

01:40:59.000 You gotta make better decisions.

01:41:01.000 You're a fucking coyote.

01:41:02.000 You're a ghost.

01:41:03.000 You know, you gotta make ghost decisions.

01:41:05.000 The fucking, you know, the bravado, like, we're gonna kill everybody.

01:41:08.000 The fuck we are.

01:41:09.000 We're not gonna fire a shot.

01:41:11.000 Why?

01:41:11.000 Because, like, you fire one shot as a singleton, you better be ready to kill everybody.

01:41:17.000 Because gunshots is a fucking dinner bell for psychos, you know what I mean?

01:41:20.000 So, are you ready?

01:41:23.000 You know what I mean?

01:41:23.000 And the reality is, like, I had to think of other shit, do other shit, had to act like a retard, you know?

01:41:28.000 And I had to get along with people.

01:41:30.000 I had to do so much shit that is out of, like, even the commando norm as a singleton, you know?

01:41:38.000 And there's no one that can really teach you this.

01:41:41.000 Fuck.

01:41:42.000 I mean, no.

01:41:44.000 Like, fuck.

01:41:45.000 I mean, I don't fucking know.

01:41:45.000 You can teach a guy how to breach an airplane.

01:41:48.000 Right.

01:41:48.000 How the fuck are you going to teach a guy to act like a retard if you get pulled over?

01:41:51.000 How are you going to teach a guy to be a singleton and do a lot of these missions?

01:41:55.000 Well, we used to tell guys, and I used to tell my guys all the time, and this is a unit thing, but, like, I could train a monkey to shoot.

01:42:02.000 I'm training you to think.

01:42:04.000 I don't care about the shooting because if you're thinking right, the shooting will be easy.

01:42:08.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:42:09.000 Yeah.

01:42:10.000 But yeah, man, I'll tell you, I thought about writing a leadership book, calling it the singleton and just kind of the lessons I learned, you know, like so few guys have done that, you know, like I see all these like, you know, I don't know.

01:42:23.000 I don't look at the Internet.

01:42:24.000 I don't watch the news.

01:42:26.000 I don't do any of that.

01:42:27.000 I don't do social media.

01:42:28.000 I have it.

01:42:29.000 I don't fucking look at it.

01:42:31.000 I don't have it on my phone.

01:42:32.000 It's not worth my sanity.

01:42:35.000 So I'm like a fuckin' time capsule for fuckin' the 2000s, you know what I mean?

01:42:39.000 And like, I never understood some of these other, like, veteran stories, you know?

01:42:46.000 I never, I never kinda, look, the lone survivor, I never understood the full story, cause I went out alone all the time!

01:42:53.000 That shit didn't happen to me, motherfuckin' seven Taliban on my ass!

01:42:57.000 You wanna see seven fuckin' bodies super quick?

01:42:59.000 You know what I'm sayin'?

01:43:00.000 Bring them boys up here, you know?

01:43:02.000 So, I never really fucking understood some of these other stories because I had such a different experience.

01:43:10.000 I can't fathom if I was with five, you know, the times I was with five guys, you know how many people, I mean, I was with three guys, you know how many people we killed in the Battle of Tora Bora?

01:43:19.000 Fucking hundreds.

01:43:19.000 I just stopped counting on my first day.

01:43:22.000 So, having said that, I don't understand some of these stories because I had the experience I had.

01:43:29.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:43:30.000 It's a very unusual experience.

01:43:31.000 How many guys were singletons?

01:43:33.000 Fuck, I don't know any.

01:43:35.000 You don't know any?

01:43:36.000 I mean, a couple of my buddies, but not like me.

01:43:40.000 Wow.

01:43:41.000 Yeah, and then once I did it, it was kind of my lot in life.

01:43:44.000 How many pages is this book that you wrote?

01:43:47.000 I don't know, like fucking 20 chapters.

01:43:49.000 I wrote a big book.

01:43:50.000 It seems like it'd have to be like 500 fucking pages.

01:43:53.000 Yeah.

01:43:54.000 I can't wait to read that book.

01:43:55.000 Shameless plug if you know anybody who buys books.

01:43:58.000 Someone needs to buy that book, 100%.

01:44:00.000 Yeah, we'll get that book sold.

01:44:02.000 We'll get that book sold, 100%.

01:44:04.000 I need to read that book right now.

01:44:06.000 I'll give it to you.

01:44:08.000 I'll text it to you.

01:44:09.000 Okay.

01:44:10.000 I'll text it to you today.

01:44:11.000 For real.

01:44:11.000 I'll text it to you.

01:44:12.000 I'm done with it.

01:44:13.000 Okay.

01:44:13.000 No, I know you.

01:44:14.000 I think it's as good as I could get it, and I'm just a regular—I'm in a Chicago public school system.

01:44:19.000 Fuck, I didn't even take a book home because if the school loses the books, they can't teach.

01:44:23.000 So it was like half my class was in the book, and the other half was homework, and you left the books in class.

01:44:29.000 So, like, I didn't have homework.

01:44:31.000 No, it's probably better because you're going to get it, like, from you with no gloss.

01:44:38.000 Yeah.

01:44:38.000 No bullshit.

01:44:39.000 Which leads me to Iraq, where I did hundreds of solo missions.

01:44:43.000 I was a taxi driver.

01:44:45.000 I had like, I don't know, fucking 30, 50 vehicles in Iraq.

01:44:49.000 So once they realized you can do this, like, oh, call McPhee.

01:44:54.000 Yeah.

01:44:54.000 Well, no, it was just kind of my thing.

01:44:56.000 You don't have to call me.

01:44:57.000 Just tell me what you need.

01:44:58.000 Wow.

01:44:59.000 Yeah.

01:44:59.000 I mean, my bosses knew how to use me like that.

01:45:01.000 So you started enjoying the craziness of it.

01:45:04.000 I loved being alone.

01:45:06.000 Why did you love it so much?

01:45:10.000 I don't know.

01:45:10.000 I hate to say this, but, like, guys like me are generally fucking assholes.

01:45:15.000 Like, you've met a few guys like me, and they're like, yeah, I was afraid someone would get away.

01:45:21.000 Like, shut the fuck up, man.

01:45:23.000 God damn it.

01:45:24.000 You know what I mean?

01:45:24.000 Like, so, not really a fan of a lot of, like, alpha males.

01:45:29.000 They can be dicks at times.

01:45:32.000 So, like, yeah, it kind of set me down my path, is I just stayed away from the dicks and did my own thing.

01:45:38.000 You know what I mean?

01:45:39.000 Right.

01:45:40.000 So you just had, you had your mission, and you enjoyed the fact that it was all up to you.

01:45:45.000 And I didn't have to fuck with no one else.

01:45:47.000 It's on my timeline fucking, and I will make this happen.

01:45:51.000 Like, I will make shit happen that other people can't.

01:45:53.000 I don't know how, I don't know why, but I just will.

01:45:56.000 That is such a wild experience.

01:45:58.000 Like, your experience in war must be so different than everybody else's just because of that.

01:46:03.000 Yeah.

01:46:04.000 So, having said that, we're talking about Iraq.

01:46:07.000 I brought some show-and-tell items.

01:46:09.000 What'd you bring?

01:46:10.000 I brought something I have never fucking shown before.

01:46:14.000 What do you got?

01:46:15.000 And I believe it's fucking evil.

01:46:17.000 You wanna see it?

01:46:18.000 Yeah, I do.

01:46:19.000 What is it?

01:46:20.000 I gotta get it out of my box.

01:46:22.000 Oh, you got a box.

01:46:23.000 Yeah, I brought a box.

01:46:27.000 I'm kinda scared.

01:46:31.000 What's that?

01:46:35.000 Hey, can you Google Saddam Hussein Mauser?

01:46:39.000 This is his hat?

01:46:41.000 Yeah.

01:46:41.000 Jesus.

01:46:42.000 It's the one where he shoots the Mauser in the air at the fucking parade grounds.

01:46:50.000 I was given that to by his tailor.

01:46:54.000 Wow.

01:46:55.000 Yeah, that one.

01:46:56.000 The liner fell out.

01:46:57.000 The liner's in here.

01:46:58.000 Look.

01:46:59.000 You can see what kind of hat it is.

01:47:01.000 The glue fell out of the liner, but look.

01:47:03.000 Whoa.

01:47:06.000 That's fucking crazy.

01:47:07.000 I rolled up his tailor.

01:47:11.000 And all his butlers.

01:47:13.000 Anybody who touched his ass fed him or touched his dick.

01:47:18.000 I fucking rolled them motherfuckers up.

01:47:21.000 Wow.

01:47:23.000 Saddam was captured nine days after I left.

01:47:26.000 I had to leave for Christmas.

01:47:28.000 This is crazy.

01:47:30.000 This was on his head, now it's here.

01:47:32.000 Yeah.

01:47:34.000 Wow.

01:47:35.000 Yeah.

01:47:37.000 But it's a Piccadilly fox fur hat.

01:47:41.000 I also have a sweater.

01:47:42.000 I took a...

01:47:43.000 I had all his clothes, like...

01:47:45.000 Man, fuck, I had everything that guy had.

01:47:47.000 But, yeah, his tailor.

01:47:50.000 Okay, so Saddam's inner circle, right?

01:47:52.000 When I was working Saddam, we were working a Saddam piece, right?

01:47:56.000 Some fucking legendary hits that no one's ever fucking talked about, like...

01:48:02.000 We did the cleverest shit fucking during Saddam.

01:48:04.000 And I will tell you this, is I learned on my fucking singleton mission in Afghanistan, the first one, we need to be a lot fucking smarter if we want to crush these motherfuckers.

01:48:13.000 And I'm not talking like, we captured two bad guys.

01:48:16.000 I'm talking we go in, kill everyone needs to be killed, capture everyone that needs to be captured.

01:48:22.000 And fucking do this right, right?

01:48:24.000 So, yeah, with the Saddam piece, right, his tailor and his butlers and Saddam's inner circle was all Christians.

01:48:36.000 Fucking every one of them was a Christian.

01:48:38.000 And Saddam believed.

01:48:41.000 That Christians, if they martyr themselves, go to hell.

01:48:45.000 Muslims martyred themselves, you go to heaven.

01:48:48.000 So he surrounded himself with fucking Christians.

01:48:52.000 So his tailor, his butlers, his jawalas, all those guys, they're fucking washing his ass, feeding this motherfucker.

01:48:59.000 We're all Christians.

01:49:00.000 And it's why Christians flourished in Iraq, which, you know, like, I'd like to, I'd hope all these guys are still alive, but the reality is, is like, ISIS probably fucking got rid of them after Saddam's gone, you know?

01:49:13.000 Yeah.

01:49:14.000 ISIS killed so many fucking Christians, you know what I'm saying?

01:49:17.000 Yeah.

01:49:34.000 But they were all Christians.

01:49:34.000 And so his I it started with the ex ambassador, excuse me, to the U.S.

01:49:34.000 And then I met the tailor and started talking to the tailor.

01:49:34.000 And then one day he brought this hat and he brought some clothes.

01:49:37.000 And I was like, what was this?

01:49:39.000 And he told me this is the one where he shot the Mauser.

01:49:42.000 And he had some clothes.

01:49:44.000 I grabbed a sweater.

01:49:45.000 I wear this sweater on Christmas Eve.

01:49:48.000 And then...

01:49:48.000 Hey, when I was fatter, it's like a fucking halter top.

01:49:53.000 My belly fat's hanging out.

01:49:55.000 You know, my family's like, I don't know.

01:49:58.000 I think I'm nuts.

01:49:58.000 But I normally wear that sweater on Christmas.

01:50:01.000 I forgot to bring it or I had to brought it.

01:50:03.000 Wow.

01:50:04.000 Yeah, now that I lost weight, I think I'm actually Saddam's size.

01:50:07.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:50:08.000 It's spooky.

01:50:08.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:50:10.000 I ended up being the same size.

01:50:11.000 I could have wore all those clothes, you know what I mean?

01:50:13.000 Wow.

01:50:14.000 But yeah, they were Christians, right?

01:50:16.000 And we rolled up the tailor.

01:50:19.000 The tailor gave up a butler.

01:50:22.000 Me and another guy were at the tailor's house, right?

01:50:26.000 And we were going to snatch this guy, right?

01:50:28.000 This butler.

01:50:29.000 And the butler is the guy who used to wash Saddam.

01:50:32.000 Like, he bathed Saddam every fucking day.

01:50:36.000 So Saddam had someone bathe him.

01:50:37.000 Yeah.

01:50:38.000 He didn't bathe himself.

01:50:39.000 No.

01:50:40.000 Crazy, right?

01:50:42.000 Yeah, weird.

01:50:42.000 But he had a lot of, but they were all Christians.

01:50:45.000 And they were all, honestly, they were all fucking nice people, to be fair.

01:50:48.000 Like, all the Christians were great people.

01:50:51.000 Anyway, yeah, so I'm in the house with another guy, and the guy's early.

01:50:57.000 So we fucking shoot up on the roof.

01:51:00.000 The guy comes.

01:51:01.000 I call my guys.

01:51:03.000 They're not really in place yet.

01:51:06.000 So he comes, he leaves, he only stays a minute, and he's gone.

01:51:11.000 You know what I mean?

01:51:12.000 And I think all these inner circle Saddam folks know they were valuable to us.

01:51:18.000 And they realized they were gonna get snatched at some time, so he was out, right?

01:51:24.000 I called my guys, right?

01:51:25.000 And then literally my guys were like two blocks away.

01:51:29.000 As he was leaving, he ran into their Humvee.

01:51:32.000 He ran into my guys.

01:51:34.000 And they're like, hey, this guy just ran into us in this vehicle.

01:51:37.000 I'm like, that's the dude.

01:51:40.000 He got in an accident?

01:51:42.000 Yeah, he ran into our guys in a Humvee.

01:51:44.000 He was trying to drive away and crashed into the guys that were going to snatch him.

01:51:50.000 Wow.

01:51:51.000 Yeah.

01:51:51.000 I'll tell you another Saddam story.

01:51:53.000 This is one of my favorites.

01:51:56.000 Saddam had, like, regular pieces of ass.

01:52:01.000 And, like, his favorite piece of ass was this butterface lady...

01:52:08.000 for him but she wasn't a looker you know what I mean so like look and feel are different things Saddam knew what felt right to him obviously and she was married and we wanted to get to her I mean maybe Saddam's favorite sex partner wouldn't know where he is right Right.

01:52:29.000 Um, so we have the tailor, the tailor knows who he is.

01:52:34.000 So we have the tailor kind of invite him to the tailor stop shop.

01:52:38.000 This tailor had a store in downtown Baghdad.

01:52:41.000 So he comes in the store and, uh, I told my guys, if he doesn't come out quick to, uh, I had a couple, um, I don't know what they're called now.

01:52:52.000 Mohawks, I think is what they call the Iraqi counter terror guys.

01:52:56.000 Before they were even established, the guys were with us.

01:52:59.000 So we had a couple of those guys.

01:53:01.000 And I have them start fighting in front of the store.

01:53:05.000 So literally, everyone piles on in the street to see these guys fighting.

01:53:10.000 Everyone piles out of all the shops, stores, and everyone's watching these two guys fight.

01:53:16.000 Literally, the guy we're looking for walks up to see the fight, and his back is to the van door of the guys that are going to snatch him.

01:53:25.000 Wow.

01:53:25.000 So I call him, I'm like, yo, you see that tall guy?

01:53:28.000 That's our guy.

01:53:29.000 Fucking snatch him.

01:53:29.000 And no shit, van door.

01:53:31.000 Van door fucking opens.

01:53:35.000 Nobody even knew where the fucking guy went.

01:53:37.000 The tailor later was like, where did he go?

01:53:40.000 Did you take?

01:53:41.000 Who took him?

01:53:41.000 Where did this guy go?

01:53:42.000 Where is this man at?

01:53:43.000 You know what I mean?

01:53:44.000 Like, no one even seen him get snatched, right?

01:53:47.000 That's such a clever idea.

01:53:48.000 Yeah.

01:53:49.000 Have two guys fight in front.

01:53:51.000 And then later, my boss was like, who are those guys fighting?

01:53:54.000 I was like, it's our boys.

01:53:56.000 And he was like, wait, did you do that?

01:53:58.000 And I was like, I didn't want to be there for like six hours.

01:54:01.000 Like, you know what I mean?

01:54:02.000 Like, how do we speed this up?

01:54:03.000 We got shit to do today.

01:54:04.000 Like, you know what I mean?

01:54:06.000 That's my efficiency is my thing.

01:54:08.000 That's genius.

01:54:09.000 Yeah.

01:54:10.000 That's one of the...

01:54:11.000 And we did so much...

01:54:12.000 Hey, alright, I'll tell you another one.

01:54:14.000 My first Saddam hit...

01:54:16.000 I worked a lot of intel side for Saddam, me and a couple other guys.

01:54:23.000 So we worked somewhere not with our squadron, and we worked with another government agency.

01:54:29.000 Make sense?

01:54:30.000 So we get to call, the squadron's doing a hit.

01:54:34.000 There's a Saddam sighting, right?

01:54:35.000 So this is like the beginning, like 2003 Iraq.

01:54:39.000 we were fucking Ken blocking it with fucking maps, like hit the third traffic circle, go out on the nine o'clock.

01:54:46.000 Like literally I get us to fucking Ken blocking, fucking navigating through a fucking shitty Baghdad fucking street map.

01:54:54.000 I get us to the fucking target, right?

01:54:57.000 Humvees are already there.

01:54:58.000 The rest of the guys are already there.

01:54:59.000 Rangers got the blocking positions all set up.

01:55:02.000 So we get there, we raid the house, right?

01:55:05.000 We get all these guys.

01:55:06.000 And then finally, there was like no fucking shit, Joe.

01:55:09.000 There was like, I don't know, 15 motherfuckers.

01:55:13.000 It was like a Saddam lookalike fucking contest.

01:55:16.000 They all had the mustache.

01:55:17.000 There's like short, fat Saddams.

01:55:19.000 There's like tall, skinny Saddams.

01:55:21.000 So you're body doubles.

01:55:23.000 Well, I don't know if it was body doubles.

01:55:24.000 They just all looked like them.

01:55:25.000 Yeah, because, like, the Saddam look was popular.

01:55:28.000 The mustache.

01:55:29.000 I mean, not that they all look the same, but they kind of all look the same, you know, from my perspective at the time, right?

01:55:36.000 So, like, it was like, well, no wonder someone called this in.

01:55:38.000 It's fucking like, they all look like Saddam, you know what I mean?

01:55:42.000 And then, on the outside, like...

01:55:46.000 Fuck, man.

01:55:46.000 The Rangers shot up these vehicles at the blocking position.

01:55:50.000 I have my squad.

01:55:51.000 My Sergeant Major was like, hey, go fucking clean up the bodies.

01:55:55.000 And I'm like, why the fuck am I on brains detail?

01:55:57.000 I didn't fucking shoot nobody today.

01:55:59.000 And he's like, you're the only one with a regular pickup truck that could haul the bodies.

01:56:05.000 And I'm like, fucker, I already thought it through.

01:56:08.000 This is why this guy's the boss.

01:56:09.000 You know what I mean?

01:56:10.000 And then...

01:56:13.000 Lesson learned that day is, you know, like in Iraq, you just drink water out of bottles and then throw them in your truck.

01:56:19.000 Man, we were loading bodies in.

01:56:21.000 There's fucking 100 water bottles in the back of the bed.

01:56:24.000 Someone just come by the bed of the truck and throw an empty water bottle in, like at the house or whatever, right?

01:56:30.000 And like, I'm throwing bodies and fucking shit in the back of my truck and there's like bloody water bottles squirting everywhere.

01:56:36.000 It's a fucking mess, man.

01:56:38.000 So...

01:56:39.000 I learned that day, like, my vehicles are always clean.

01:56:43.000 Always fucking clean, man.

01:56:45.000 From that day on.

01:56:47.000 But, like, it's a fucking mess.

01:56:48.000 And then, man, they shot up this fucking, this old man, this old lady.

01:56:53.000 Like, they ran the checkpoint.

01:56:54.000 They were about, they were about to hit the Humvee with the Rangers.

01:56:58.000 So the kid shot at the driver.

01:57:00.000 But, like, the kids didn't, the Rangers back then didn't know as much as Rangers know now.

01:57:05.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:57:06.000 And the kid shot the warning shots at the driver, but he hit the brakes.

01:57:14.000 And the fucking vehicle will never stop if you shoot the brakes.

01:57:17.000 I don't know if you know that.

01:57:19.000 And it fucking hit the Humvee at like fucking 40 miles an hour, broke the transmission, and I had to clean up the bodies.

01:57:25.000 I had to set up an HLZ, take them later to the HLZ, you know what I mean?

01:57:29.000 It was my first Saddam raid in Iraq, and it was my first experience in Iraq with the Rangers, and that day I was fucking fed up with them.

01:57:42.000 There's some young fucking 18-year-old kid medic in the back of the truck, and I'm like, hey, fucking give these people morphine.

01:57:50.000 He's like, I'm not supposed to give the enemy morphine, Sergeant.

01:57:54.000 You know what I mean?

01:57:55.000 I'm like, yo, does anyone look like a fucking enemy to you here?

01:57:59.000 Anyone fighting you in the back of the truck?

01:58:01.000 Then there is no fucking enemies here, bud.

01:58:03.000 Fucking give these people some drugs so, like, at least we ain't got to fucking hear them moan and shit.

01:58:08.000 You know what I mean?

01:58:09.000 And, like, the kid, like, I had to force him to, like, fucking be humane.

01:58:13.000 You know what I mean?

01:58:14.000 Because he was just trying to follow orders.

01:58:16.000 Later, they'd be so much better, right?

01:58:19.000 But...

01:58:19.000 Beginning of the war, that was my first Saddam hit, you know what I mean?

01:58:23.000 And I was just thinking, fucking this is gonna be awesome, man.

01:58:27.000 That kid was shooting down the street with a 50 cal.

01:58:29.000 Like, imagine just the fucking city street in Austin, right?

01:58:33.000 And you're parked in the middle of the road, and you just shoot with a 50 cal off the top of a Humvee, you know, like eight feet off the ground.

01:58:39.000 Through those tracer rounds would skip down the road.

01:58:42.000 It was breaking glass fucking going through cars fucking, you know 500 yards down the road like people scattered Like it's amazing, you know, wow 50 cows amazing You know what I mean?

01:58:55.000 And then I had a fucking pick up guts well, this is the fucked up thing about it is like I You went through all this chaos.

01:59:04.000 You're uniquely qualified for chaos for some strange reason.

01:59:08.000 Love.

01:59:08.000 Chaos is my jam, man.

01:59:10.000 As soon as this gets confusing, yo, I got this.

01:59:13.000 You know what I mean?

01:59:13.000 But why is that?

01:59:14.000 I don't fucking know.

01:59:16.000 It seems to be what I do best.

01:59:17.000 Yeah, I think so.

01:59:18.000 Is that something that, like...

01:59:20.000 You accumulated this mindset over time?

01:59:24.000 I don't know.

01:59:24.000 Or did you just always have it?

01:59:26.000 I think it was beaten to me.

01:59:28.000 Really?

01:59:28.000 Yeah, like, think about it.

01:59:30.000 When I was a kid, the house was chaotic.

01:59:32.000 Yeah.

01:59:33.000 You know what I mean?

01:59:33.000 Right.

01:59:34.000 You learn the chaos.

01:59:36.000 Right.

01:59:37.000 And then it's just, you're designed for that.

01:59:40.000 Bring glass in case of war.

01:59:42.000 Yeah.

01:59:43.000 Yeah.

01:59:43.000 I guess so.

01:59:44.000 I don't know.

01:59:45.000 I think I'm a normal guy, but people tell me I'm not.

01:59:48.000 It's not normal.

01:59:48.000 Yeah.

01:59:49.000 I mean, I understand you.

01:59:51.000 I understand you.

01:59:53.000 It's not normal, but I understand you.

01:59:55.000 Yeah.

01:59:56.000 I mean, like, look, I just feel like, okay, we're all going to die.

02:00:00.000 I'm not going to let it ruin my day.

02:00:02.000 I've been through bad shit.

02:00:03.000 I'm not the fucking victim.

02:00:04.000 I've done bad shit.

02:00:06.000 I'm not the fucking bad guy.

02:00:07.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:00:09.000 And then having said that, it's like, I don't know, man.

02:00:13.000 I think it affects everybody differently.

02:00:15.000 But I think, you know, before I retired...

02:00:20.000 I was burned out.

02:00:21.000 I didn't know I was burned out.

02:00:22.000 I was an asshole every day.

02:00:24.000 Fucking guys would come into my office.

02:00:27.000 What do you want?

02:00:28.000 Yeah, too slow.

02:00:29.000 Get the fuck out.

02:00:30.000 When you know what you want, come back.

02:00:31.000 The guy would be like, okay, Sergeant Major.

02:00:34.000 Well, you were operating at 10. Always.

02:00:37.000 Always.

02:00:37.000 Yeah.

02:00:37.000 And then I learned, man, I was having a lot.

02:00:40.000 I fucking hated my life.

02:00:42.000 I was miserable.

02:00:43.000 I hated being a Sergeant Major.

02:00:44.000 I hated being Army management, is what I called it.

02:00:47.000 I'm not a leader.

02:00:48.000 I'm not a follower.

02:00:49.000 I'm not a soldier.

02:00:50.000 I'm fucking army management, and that shit is fucking dry, fucking toast.

02:00:54.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:00:56.000 And I just got out of fucking Baghdad in 06, fucking killing people.

02:00:59.000 Like, 06 was a great year, you know?

02:01:02.000 And then I gotta sit on the fucking staff and do this shit.

02:01:05.000 Like, it's just fucking killing me, Joe.

02:01:08.000 And then, so, like, I wasn't a very good star major, so I realized one day, like, Man, I think I used to be funny.

02:01:14.000 Like, you know, like when I was a kid, like, I'd catch that beating.

02:01:18.000 If I could say that one fucking smart-ass comment to you, I might get beat more, but I fucking said my piece.

02:01:25.000 You know what I mean?

02:01:26.000 Even as a little kid, I'll take the beating to fucking call you an asshole.

02:01:29.000 Right.

02:01:30.000 So, like, I kind of maybe had that mindset going into it or something.

02:01:35.000 You know what I mean?

02:01:37.000 But, yeah, man, I just think, like...

02:01:41.000 I think a lot of it just goes back to my childhood and being able to manage the chaos.

02:01:45.000 One minute we're fighting, the next minute, you know, someone's at the front door.

02:01:49.000 Like, go answer.

02:01:50.000 The crazy thing about it is, like, if you are, you're running any branch of the military and you're asking a lot of people to find someone like you, that you can find someone who doesn't just accept this but thrives on it.

02:02:08.000 That's, like, try recreating that in a lab.

02:02:11.000 Fuck.

02:02:12.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:02:13.000 I don't know.

02:02:13.000 How do you make that?

02:02:15.000 You can't?

02:02:15.000 I don't know.

02:02:15.000 I've only seen, like, I don't know, in my experience of all the guys I know and all the combat I've seen, I'd say there's, like, just, I mean, you know, we're not the common guys.

02:02:28.000 You know what I mean?

02:02:29.000 Maybe a dozen in my life.

02:02:31.000 You guys on a group chat?

02:02:32.000 Fuck no.

02:02:33.000 Fuck, now you don't talk to nobody.

02:02:35.000 You know what I mean?

02:02:35.000 You'll never know who they are.

02:02:37.000 They ain't fucking talking to you, me, fucking nobody.

02:02:40.000 You know what I mean?

02:02:42.000 I maybe know a dozen of those guys.

02:02:45.000 Eight probably still work for the dark side of the government as old men, wherever that is.

02:02:51.000 And the other guys are like raising families and don't want you fucking with them.

02:02:55.000 Right.

02:02:56.000 You know what I mean?

02:02:57.000 They don't do shit like this.

02:02:58.000 Yeah.

02:02:59.000 Guys like me don't do shit like this.

02:03:01.000 But the thing about it is, if you didn't talk about it, people wouldn't know.

02:03:05.000 Right.

02:03:05.000 Like, I think it's great that you talk about it.

02:03:07.000 I think it's important.

02:03:09.000 I think people need to...

02:03:10.000 I mean, people need to...

02:03:11.000 You know, we're trying to, like, fill in an understanding of the world.

02:03:15.000 And until you've talked to someone who's experienced a part of the world in a way that no one else has...

02:03:24.000 You don't know that that's a thing.

02:03:26.000 Right.

02:03:26.000 Like the fact that you can come and talk about this is a very good thing for everybody.

02:03:31.000 Thank you.

02:03:31.000 Because people will be able to see like, okay, like this is super complicated.

02:03:37.000 Like the whole thing was super complicated.

02:03:40.000 And to have a guy that could talk about navigating probably the most complicated aspect of this super complicated thing and to actually thrive in it.

02:03:51.000 It's very strange.

02:03:53.000 Thank you.

02:03:54.000 I still think I'm normal, Joe.

02:03:56.000 I think I'm a regular guy.

02:03:57.000 You're definitely not normal.

02:03:58.000 But like I said, I understand you.

02:04:00.000 Thanks, man.

02:04:01.000 I get it.

02:04:01.000 But yeah, man.

02:04:02.000 And look, I got some more items.

02:04:04.000 You want to see something else I've never showed off?

02:04:06.000 So I talk about stories in some of my videos about being a taxi driver.

02:04:12.000 I also had another vehicle.

02:04:14.000 That was an Uday Kusei secret police vehicle.

02:04:18.000 So when I drive this vehicle downtown, like, the fucking sea would part.

02:04:22.000 The road could be packed.

02:04:24.000 And I'm driving my vehicle and people just...

02:04:26.000 What kind of vehicle was it?

02:04:27.000 It was like a Maxima, a Nissan Maxima, but it's what the Uday secret police drove.

02:04:34.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:04:35.000 And then they carried these, and I'll show you.

02:04:38.000 Check this out.

02:04:41.000 Whoa.

02:04:42.000 Whoa.

02:04:45.000 So, the lion is the Babylon lion, and that's the symbol of the Republican Guard.

02:04:51.000 But I used to carry that as a taxi driver, and when I'd get out of the taxi, people would see that fucking gun and just fucking walk away.

02:05:01.000 Wow.

02:05:02.000 And that's what the Republican Guard rocked, those silver guns.

02:05:07.000 I say it's a pearl handle, but it's like plastic.

02:05:10.000 Yeah, it's plastic.

02:05:11.000 Yeah, there's nothing fancy about it.

02:05:13.000 But specific to them.

02:05:15.000 Yeah.

02:05:15.000 Wow.

02:05:18.000 Let's say on there.

02:05:19.000 Yeah, I had a guy make it for me.

02:05:21.000 Oh, elk ribble tool handle.

02:05:25.000 Yeah.

02:05:25.000 Bozeman, Montana.

02:05:26.000 There's only so many guys that'll do AKs.

02:05:30.000 You know what I mean?

02:05:32.000 You want a silver AK? What are you, the cartel?

02:05:36.000 No, get the fuck out of here.

02:05:37.000 You're not serious about guns.

02:05:39.000 You know how many fucking no's I had to collect up?

02:05:42.000 Anyway, that's my Republican guard.

02:05:44.000 That's my taxi driver gun.

02:05:46.000 So you had that made specifically because you knew that they carried that?

02:05:49.000 No, I captured that on the battlefield and carried it in Iraq.

02:05:54.000 So that is one, but why does it say Bozeman, Montana?

02:05:57.000 Because, well, because, okay, so if you bring one home, you get fired.

02:06:02.000 But what I did, what I did is I took the hand guard and the pistol grip, and then I had a guy make a copy of what I had.

02:06:12.000 Oh.

02:06:13.000 Yeah.

02:06:14.000 Yeah.

02:06:15.000 Oh, okay.

02:06:16.000 So it's, I mean, it's legal and everything.

02:06:18.000 So the handguard and the pistol grip is from the original gun.

02:06:20.000 Right.

02:06:21.000 But that's exactly what the original gun looked like.

02:06:24.000 Wow.

02:06:24.000 Look, when you're in the Defoe, like, you want to get fired for bringing back an AK? Right.

02:06:30.000 You know what I mean?

02:06:33.000 Dumb.

02:06:34.000 You know what I mean?

02:06:35.000 It's not worth the risk, right?

02:06:37.000 But it's like, hey, can I bring this handguard back?

02:06:39.000 The fuck you want that garbage for?

02:06:41.000 That's a yes.

02:06:42.000 You know what I mean?

02:06:43.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:06:43.000 And then it took me a while to get, but yeah, that guy built it for me.

02:06:47.000 Wow.

02:06:47.000 It kind of matches the hat.

02:06:49.000 Everybody I know likes to take a picture with that and the hat.

02:06:53.000 So it's kind of popular.

02:06:56.000 Yeah, the hat's been in Texas here for a very long time.

02:06:59.000 Been stored in Texas.

02:07:02.000 Got it documented about as much as possible as I can.

02:07:06.000 I don't know.

02:07:07.000 You know anybody that might want it?

02:07:11.000 What, you were selling it?

02:07:12.000 Yeah.

02:07:13.000 I bet somebody would want that.

02:07:14.000 I don't want it.

02:07:16.000 Yeah, I don't want to keep that in my house.

02:07:18.000 No, fuck no, Joe.

02:07:19.000 Why do you think I keep it in a black fucking box, man?

02:07:21.000 Yeah, I don't want it.

02:07:23.000 But I know there is people out there that would treat it better than me.

02:07:27.000 I crammed it in a box.

02:07:29.000 And the guy that stored it for me put it in glass.

02:07:33.000 You know what I mean?

02:07:34.000 He kind of knew what he was doing.

02:07:36.000 Actually, I had it stuffed in a bag.

02:07:38.000 You know what that would be good for?

02:07:40.000 Zach Bagan's Haunted Museum in Vegas.

02:07:43.000 Have you ever been to that?

02:07:45.000 Do you know Zach?

02:07:45.000 No.

02:07:45.000 I hear that place is fucking creepy.

02:07:47.000 It's creepy.

02:07:48.000 My brother said it was fucking creepy.

02:07:50.000 It's fucking creepy.

02:07:51.000 And my brother likes creepy shit and he was freaked out.

02:07:54.000 Oh, he's got everything in that place.

02:07:55.000 He's got a Kevorkian's van where he killed old people.

02:07:58.000 He's got the Camaro from fucking the Waco.

02:08:01.000 What's Koresh?

02:08:03.000 Does he?

02:08:04.000 I don't think so.

02:08:05.000 I thought he bought the Camaro from Koresh.

02:08:08.000 No, I was going to buy that Camaro.

02:08:08.000 You were going to buy it?

02:08:08.000 No, yeah, yeah.

02:08:09.000 That Camaro was for sale.

02:08:09.000 Wasn't the serial number like I Am God or something?

02:08:12.000 Was it?

02:08:12.000 Wasn't that the serial number?

02:08:13.000 It's a 68 Camaro and it was for sale.

02:08:15.000 And I came that close to pulling the trigger on it.

02:08:17.000 But I was like, I don't want that fucking bad juju in my life.

02:08:20.000 That's it.

02:08:21.000 68 Camaro from Deadly Siege.

02:08:22.000 Zach Beggins.

02:08:23.000 Oh!

02:08:24.000 So he bought it.

02:08:26.000 So Zach bought it.

02:08:27.000 He's the one selling it, I think.

02:08:28.000 Oh, he's selling it now.

02:08:29.000 So he got it.

02:08:30.000 It was for sale.

02:08:32.000 23, this was from a year...

02:08:34.000 No, it was for sale quite a while ago, and I was gonna buy it.

02:08:37.000 Holy shit.

02:08:39.000 Somebody emailed me and told me that they know I love old muscle cars, and they said Koresh's Camaro's for sale.

02:08:44.000 I was like, ooh, and I went like this, let me buy it.

02:08:47.000 Then I was like, no, the fuck am I gonna do with this?

02:08:50.000 Yeah.

02:08:50.000 Yeah, I'd rather buy one that has no history.

02:08:53.000 Yeah, I have a 69. I love them.

02:08:55.000 I love old muscle cars, so I was thinking about it.

02:08:58.000 But I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no.

02:09:00.000 You don't want that in your life.

02:09:01.000 I had a 67 Camaro when I was a kid.

02:09:04.000 Look at the title.

02:09:06.000 David Koresh, Waco, Texas.

02:09:08.000 Jesus Christ.

02:09:09.000 Does the serial number say I am God or something?

02:09:12.000 No, it seems normal.

02:09:13.000 Look at the VIN numbers, normal.

02:09:14.000 It's a normal VIN number.

02:09:16.000 Fucking crazy asshole.

02:09:18.000 That guy, I, when, you know, you went to the mothership last night?

02:09:23.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:09:23.000 I was gonna buy another building before that that was run by a cult, and they moved out here.

02:09:29.000 It was called, I forget what the...

02:09:31.000 What was the name?

02:09:32.000 The Bodhi Tree?

02:09:34.000 Is that what it's called?

02:09:35.000 Anyway, there's a documentary on it.

02:09:36.000 It's called Holy Hell.

02:09:38.000 So this guy, he was a yoga teacher in West Hollywood.

02:09:43.000 And he was a gay porn star and a hypnotist.

02:09:46.000 So this fucking guy...

02:09:48.000 He got a lot of ass.

02:09:49.000 So the Bodhi Field, that's it.

02:09:52.000 Thank you.

02:09:52.000 So...

02:09:54.000 Waco goes off, right?

02:09:56.000 And then the Cult Awareness Network starts investigating him, and he's running this cult in West Hollywood.

02:10:02.000 So he escapes in the middle of the night and drives out to Texas, moves to Austin, tells everybody, come here.

02:10:09.000 And they all move out to Austin, and then he has them build this place.

02:10:13.000 It's called the One World Theater.

02:10:15.000 And all the cult members ran this place for years until they figured out that this guy was fucking everybody.

02:10:20.000 One guy sends out a mass email saying, hey, this guy's been hypnotizing me and buttfucking me for the last 10 years.

02:10:25.000 And everybody's like, me too!

02:10:26.000 So then they all find out that he's fucking everybody, this guy.

02:10:30.000 So they all leave.

02:10:31.000 The cult falls apart.

02:10:33.000 The building's for sale.

02:10:34.000 So I swoop in.

02:10:36.000 When I move here, the building's for sale.

02:10:38.000 Ron White tells me about the building being for sale.

02:10:41.000 He's like, this building's fucking awesome.

02:10:43.000 I performed there.

02:10:44.000 You should buy it.

02:10:45.000 So Ron White's my hero.

02:10:46.000 So I'm like, I'll buy it.

02:10:47.000 Fuck it.

02:10:49.000 We're going to open up a comedy club.

02:10:50.000 Let's open it up in this place.

02:10:52.000 All sorts of problems with the building, cold, this, that, a lot of environmental, a lot of shit.

02:10:58.000 So I get out of it.

02:10:59.000 But I bought the building before I watched the documentary.

02:11:03.000 So I watched the documentary and I'm like, oh no!

02:11:07.000 Same thing.

02:11:08.000 It's like these fucking people, all the lives lost.

02:11:11.000 They lived 20 years.

02:11:12.000 These poor people wasted 20 years of their life following this fucking asshole.

02:11:17.000 And he's got this building.

02:11:18.000 But the reason why he bought the building was because of Waco.

02:11:20.000 So when Waco pops off, they were like, oh, geez, these cults are fucking dangerous.

02:11:25.000 So the Cult Awareness Network starts going after everybody.

02:11:27.000 So this guy moves here and changes his name.

02:11:29.000 Because back then, you could kind of change, no internet.

02:11:33.000 Yeah, you could do that.

02:11:33.000 You could kind of change your name and know, oh, it's a different guy.

02:11:36.000 And so he has all his followers build him this theater.

02:11:41.000 So for a brief period of time, I was under contract for that theater.

02:11:45.000 Did you go in there building?

02:11:46.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:11:47.000 Was it creepy in there?

02:11:48.000 It was a little weird.

02:11:49.000 This guy would like, he had this theater, this beautiful theater.

02:11:53.000 He had it built so he could dance in front of his followers, so he could perform in front of his followers.

02:11:59.000 He was a weird cat.

02:12:01.000 He was like a really handsome guy when he was younger, but then as he got older, he started getting plastic surgery and looked real weird.

02:12:08.000 And he would, like, be thinking about getting something done, so he'd force one of his followers to go get it done.

02:12:12.000 And so they'd get it done, they'd come back with their fucking cheeks, and they'd be like, hmm, I kinda like that.

02:12:16.000 And then he would go and get the surgery done.

02:12:18.000 At the end of it, the end of the documentary, he looks really fucking weird.

02:12:22.000 Because he's got Botox and fucking cheek and all weird shit to his face.

02:12:27.000 Yeah, but the feeling in the building was just like of loss.

02:12:32.000 That's what it felt like, loss.

02:12:34.000 Loss.

02:12:35.000 Just, oh no.

02:12:36.000 Yeah.

02:12:37.000 You know, like you don't want to buy a house from some people that went bankrupt and they lost everything and their family fell apart and then you're in the house like, ooh.

02:12:44.000 Yeah.

02:12:44.000 This house feels like sadness.

02:12:46.000 Yeah.

02:12:46.000 I felt like we could burn some sage and fucking party in there for a few days.

02:12:50.000 We'll clean it up.

02:12:50.000 Get some good energy.

02:12:51.000 But now I'm glad.

02:12:52.000 I'm glad that that didn't happen.

02:12:54.000 Yeah.

02:12:55.000 Why even go through that?

02:12:56.000 Yeah.

02:12:57.000 Well, it was kind of funny at first.

02:12:59.000 I thought it was funny.

02:13:00.000 Until I found, you know, a cult owned it.

02:13:01.000 Oh, this is funny.

02:13:02.000 And then my buddy Adam called me up and goes, hey, did you watch a documentary on that cult?

02:13:06.000 I was like, oh no.

02:13:07.000 There's a documentary?

02:13:09.000 That's never good.

02:13:10.000 Yeah.

02:13:10.000 They don't make documentaries about the good cults.

02:13:13.000 No.

02:13:13.000 And it was horrible.

02:13:15.000 At the end of the documentary, you're tearing up.

02:13:17.000 You're like, oh, these poor fucking people.

02:13:20.000 Some people are just gullible, and they're not bad people.

02:13:23.000 They just want someone better than them to tell them how to live life.

02:13:27.000 That's all it is.

02:13:27.000 They need something.

02:13:28.000 They need someone.

02:13:29.000 They're missing something, whatever it is.

02:13:32.000 Something went wrong, and they're willing to believe a lot of really ridiculous shit.

02:13:35.000 And then 20 years later, they realize they've wasted their life.

02:13:39.000 People do a lot of weird shit, call it religion.

02:13:41.000 Mm-hmm exactly.

02:13:42.000 Yeah, yeah, and that was this place.

02:13:45.000 Yeah, but That was because of Waco that this this guy built this thing.

02:13:50.000 Yeah Damn the Waco things fucked you ever watched the the raid?

02:13:55.000 I know, yeah.

02:13:56.000 I mean, the raid kind of, like, we got the briefings back in the day.

02:13:59.000 Like, you know, the raid was a couple years old, but...

02:14:02.000 Yeah.

02:14:03.000 You know what I know about the raid?

02:14:05.000 It was pretty fucked.

02:14:06.000 I mean, they just cooked those people.

02:14:07.000 Yeah, they burned it down.

02:14:09.000 Oh, yeah.

02:14:09.000 I could see the tanks, like, shooting fire into the buildings.

02:14:12.000 I don't know what happened.

02:14:13.000 Caught fire.

02:14:14.000 Yeah, fire.

02:14:14.000 It was back in the 90s when you could kind of get away with something like that, and people didn't really know.

02:14:19.000 Yeah.

02:14:20.000 Yeah.

02:14:20.000 Like, well, we didn't know it would burn.

02:14:22.000 Well, it is made of wood.

02:14:23.000 Like, yeah, but I mean...

02:14:24.000 And we shot fire at it.

02:14:25.000 Yeah.

02:14:25.000 I don't know what happened.

02:14:26.000 Yeah.

02:14:27.000 Yeah.

02:14:28.000 It's crazy.

02:14:29.000 All right.

02:14:30.000 You ready?

02:14:30.000 I got some other stuff.

02:14:31.000 What else you got?

02:14:32.000 What else you got?

02:14:33.000 So check this out.

02:14:35.000 I got a swag bag for you.

02:14:37.000 Okay.

02:14:37.000 I got a bunch of stuff I make that I do, right?

02:14:42.000 So I just kind of want to...

02:14:43.000 I like to do this, right?

02:14:44.000 Look, I got you...

02:14:46.000 The SOB hat.

02:14:47.000 This is the best hat we sell right here.

02:14:51.000 I wear this on the range every day.

02:14:53.000 I got your same t-shirt as me, Team SOB shirt.

02:14:57.000 Welcome to the team, Joe.

02:14:59.000 Thank you.

02:15:00.000 We're glad to have you.

02:15:02.000 My second favorite shirt of all times is this, and I wear this every day when I elk hunt.

02:15:07.000 Do you really?

02:15:08.000 Oh, wait.

02:15:09.000 Oh, no.

02:15:10.000 This is the wrong one.

02:15:11.000 I got a shirt.

02:15:12.000 I sell these shirts.

02:15:13.000 They're called Slaughter Things, and it's all I wear in El Camp.

02:15:16.000 You know what I mean?

02:15:18.000 But look, we got you a Shut Up Hippie shirt.

02:15:20.000 I sell a ton of these.

02:15:22.000 I wear these normally.

02:15:24.000 What are they?

02:15:24.000 Knives?

02:15:25.000 They're bullets.

02:15:26.000 Bullets.

02:15:27.000 Got you a Shut Up Hippie shirt.

02:15:29.000 When I go to California and teach California classes, I wear a Shut Up Hippie shirt all the time.

02:15:35.000 And then tons of guys buy them.

02:15:37.000 I had a guy.

02:15:38.000 He comes to my classes.

02:15:39.000 He's a younger kid.

02:15:40.000 He's tall.

02:15:41.000 Got a young family, right?

02:15:43.000 They go to, I think, Asheville, North Carolina, and they're eating at, like, some destination.

02:15:48.000 Like, you got to go eat here, and it's a bus.

02:15:51.000 So he's a big guy, right?

02:15:52.000 And he's in this school bus, and that's where you got orders, in this old school bus.

02:15:56.000 So he said, like, my shoulder's almost touching the ceiling, and he had to put his head down, and he had his shut-up hippie shirt on behind him.

02:16:02.000 And some hippie behind him was like, you better be careful wearing that shirt, you'll get your ass kicked around here, right?

02:16:09.000 And he says he looks back, and he pulled up his shirt, and he said, better make it a gunfight, and they shut the fuck up.

02:16:16.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

02:16:18.000 You're going to get your ass kicked.

02:16:20.000 That's so funny.

02:16:21.000 By hippies.

02:16:22.000 That's so funny.

02:16:23.000 That's the most gentle ass kicking of all time.

02:16:25.000 Yeah.

02:16:26.000 Thank you for that.

02:16:27.000 You know what I mean?

02:16:28.000 Yeah.

02:16:28.000 Okay.

02:16:28.000 I got you a condom holster.

02:16:30.000 I make these.

02:16:31.000 365. It's your EDC. Yeah.

02:16:34.000 You make these out of leather, right?

02:16:35.000 Yeah.

02:16:36.000 They're made out of leather.

02:16:37.000 I saw this on Sean's show.

02:16:38.000 Yeah.

02:16:39.000 Nice.

02:16:39.000 Hey, it's all I use.

02:16:41.000 It's all I wear.

02:16:42.000 It is the most comfortable holster.

02:16:44.000 Here.

02:16:45.000 And that's all this stuff for you.

02:16:46.000 Oh, thank you.

02:16:46.000 I'll give you the bag, too, also.

02:16:48.000 Oh, I got a bag.

02:16:48.000 Okay, so check this out.

02:16:49.000 Here's another thing I use all the time.

02:16:52.000 The cooling schmog.

02:16:54.000 Oh, okay.

02:16:54.000 I saw this too.

02:16:55.000 You know the schmogs, right?

02:16:58.000 Yeah.

02:16:58.000 Basically, I made a cooling towel the size of a schmog.

02:17:01.000 Okay.

02:17:01.000 So when I'm on the range, literally, I just dump a bottle of water in my neck.

02:17:06.000 The fucking thing absorbs it.

02:17:07.000 What's it made out of?

02:17:08.000 It's the cooling material, you know, like the cooling towel material, right?

02:17:13.000 But the problem with most cooling towels is they're not big enough, so it's like one layer on your neck and it dries in like two minutes.

02:17:20.000 This, you could kind of get, double it up, pour water on it.

02:17:24.000 It'll stay cool for a long time.

02:17:25.000 Because I've seen people, they're making gear and clothes out of like this cooling material.

02:17:29.000 What is it?

02:17:30.000 I don't know.

02:17:30.000 I think it's like the way it's woven to where when the water drains out of it, it cools quicker.

02:17:36.000 Right.

02:17:37.000 And it's materials that cool clicker or feel cool to the touch.

02:17:40.000 Yeah.

02:17:41.000 Kind of deal without knowing what it is.

02:17:42.000 I've heard people talk about clothes that they make out of this.

02:17:46.000 They're like, it's really legit.

02:17:47.000 For whatever reason, it keeps you cooler.

02:17:49.000 I would wear t-shirts on the range made of that shit every fucking day I'm outside.

02:17:54.000 Yeah?

02:17:54.000 Yeah, fuck yeah.

02:17:56.000 Especially in the heat, you know what I mean?

02:17:58.000 Okay, so check it out.

02:18:00.000 I got you a couple slings.

02:18:01.000 I don't know if you have rifles, but 100% made in America.

02:18:06.000 Everything on the sling is made.

02:18:07.000 There's a QD on there.

02:18:09.000 I make traditionally QDs in the gun world.

02:18:12.000 If somebody wants to buy any of this stuff, where do they get it online?

02:18:15.000 Sheriff of Baghdad, Joe.

02:18:17.000 SheriffofBaghdad.com?

02:18:18.000 That's right.

02:18:19.000 Okay, here's another thing I got you.

02:18:21.000 Punchers, punch daggers.

02:18:23.000 So it's G10. I got a few of them here.

02:18:27.000 Oh, okay, so this doesn't even go through a metal detector.

02:18:29.000 That's right.

02:18:30.000 There's no metal in the sheath.

02:18:32.000 It's all plastic screws.

02:18:33.000 It cleans up easy.

02:18:36.000 No DNA. You can clean it in diesel fuel.

02:18:38.000 It'll wash all the DNA off.

02:18:40.000 Diesel fuel?

02:18:41.000 You can wash it in anything.

02:18:42.000 Is that the move?

02:18:42.000 Alcohol, yeah.

02:18:43.000 Diesel fuel's the move?

02:18:44.000 I think so.

02:18:45.000 Just go to the gas station.

02:18:47.000 Yeah.

02:18:49.000 You can do fucking dish soap, but you can't permeate the plastic.

02:18:52.000 It'll come clean.

02:18:54.000 And I sharpen them with...

02:18:56.000 I sharpen them normally with like 400 grit sandpaper.

02:18:59.000 Did you really?

02:19:00.000 I just resharpened it with sandpaper.

02:19:02.000 But the reason I made it is I always wanted something where like, I was always wearing my body armor, right?

02:19:08.000 And I wanted to just put the punch dagger right in the center.

02:19:12.000 That way if something happened, I could get it.

02:19:14.000 Right.

02:19:15.000 Boom!

02:19:15.000 And just start fucking punching.

02:19:17.000 I mean, the whole problem with knives is you gotta learn how to use a knife.

02:19:20.000 But with a punch dagger, if you could throw a punch, you could bury that thing in someone's neck.

02:19:26.000 You know what I mean?

02:19:27.000 Which is what I would tell anyone.

02:19:29.000 Jamie's been looking for one of those for a while.

02:19:30.000 Haven't you, Jamie?

02:19:32.000 When Carl gets out of line.

02:19:33.000 Yeah, hey!

02:19:35.000 It'll clean the DNA off, sand it down, a little alcohol.

02:19:38.000 Okay, another thing I made, and this is super important, I call these combat bands.

02:19:43.000 It's a high-temperature silicone, but it's a rubber band.

02:19:47.000 The so what here is, when I carry this rifle, I put a sling on it, but if I'm in and out of vehicles, the sling is always just hanging somewhere, right?

02:19:55.000 So I put the rubber band on the gun, And then I just weave the sling underneath the rubber band.

02:20:02.000 So if this touches the barrel, it doesn't melt.

02:20:04.000 Right, right.

02:20:04.000 And then back in the day, I had to use actual rubber bands for parachutes.

02:20:09.000 And if I can last a day, like in the heat in Texas, a rubber band will last one day in a car.

02:20:15.000 Well, that's only one day.

02:20:16.000 I got to go out every day in my car, right?

02:20:19.000 So when I retired, it's one of the things I wanted the most.

02:20:22.000 So I made them the...

02:20:24.000 Guys use them to put suppressor covers, hold them on their suppressors.

02:20:29.000 You have great videos online, like instructional videos, like how to fight out of your car.

02:20:35.000 Yeah, thank you.

02:20:36.000 They're really informative.

02:20:38.000 Things I didn't think I was interested in learning.

02:20:41.000 Then I started watching this.

02:20:42.000 I was like, this guy's fucking thought this shit through.

02:20:44.000 That's all I did, Joe.

02:20:46.000 Look, I'm a simple guy.

02:20:48.000 Let me just show you how I did this.

02:20:51.000 Maybe you come up with a better way.

02:20:53.000 I don't know, right?

02:20:55.000 But I think this is like...

02:20:56.000 This is the difference between the army and the unit.

02:20:59.000 In the army, they're like, here's a gun, kid, go use it.

02:21:02.000 In the unit, they're like, let me show you to the nth degree how to use that rifle.

02:21:07.000 So when something happens, guess what?

02:21:09.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:21:10.000 So it's the difference between showing someone something And teaching someone something.

02:21:15.000 And I think those are different.

02:21:16.000 And I think that's what the unit was good at.

02:21:18.000 Here's some of my favorite things.

02:21:20.000 The boot kits.

02:21:22.000 Solomon boots were made for the military.

02:21:25.000 I've been wearing Solomon boots.

02:21:27.000 You'll see a set of Solomon boots in the Saddam picture.

02:21:30.000 I hunted with them this year.

02:21:32.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:21:32.000 It's all I wear are Solomons, right?

02:21:34.000 Well, if you got the quests, you know how the laces kind of come?

02:21:37.000 Yep.

02:21:38.000 Like the running shoes, too.

02:21:39.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:21:40.000 So I turn them into, like, the running shoes.

02:21:42.000 Nice.

02:21:43.000 Yeah, we sell a ton of those.

02:21:45.000 Okay.

02:21:45.000 And what do you do with the extra lace?

02:21:47.000 Cut it off.

02:21:48.000 Oh, you just cut it off.

02:21:49.000 I loosen the boot where I get my foot out, and I cut the excess off and put the end on it.

02:21:55.000 So I don't have like three feet of laces.

02:21:58.000 I only have like eight or ten inches.

02:22:00.000 You know what I mean?

02:22:00.000 Six inches, whatever it is.

02:22:02.000 Okay.

02:22:03.000 Smart.

02:22:04.000 These are some of my best things.

02:22:07.000 This is a, I would call it a scribe tool, right?

02:22:12.000 In the fact that it's a carpenter pencil.

02:22:16.000 Makes sense?

02:22:17.000 You know a carpenter pencil?

02:22:18.000 But the middle is G10. Same thing as the punch knife.

02:22:22.000 So it's for stabbing.

02:22:24.000 A lot of guys carry them, go through metal detectors, a lot of guys carry them airports, like these things.

02:22:30.000 I get pictures of these things everywhere.

02:22:34.000 I made it fist-sized so you could punch with it or kind of get a good stab with it if you wanted.

02:22:40.000 You know what I mean?

02:22:41.000 Something I always wanted.

02:22:43.000 Smart.

02:22:43.000 Yeah.

02:22:44.000 Yeah, I have a pencil like that.

02:22:45.000 Yeah.

02:22:46.000 Someone gave me.

02:22:46.000 Yep.

02:22:47.000 Yep.

02:22:47.000 Okay.

02:22:48.000 So check this out.

02:22:50.000 Here's a bunch of stickers we make.

02:22:53.000 Some of the things that happen on the range.

02:22:55.000 Blind guys, I always tell them they can't see shit.

02:22:58.000 You know how when you shoot and guys really push their butt backwards?

02:23:02.000 I call that the prison wallet.

02:23:04.000 You know what I mean?

02:23:06.000 Showing me your prison wallet?

02:23:08.000 You know what I mean?

02:23:09.000 So there's a lot of stickers that are funny shit.

02:23:11.000 I tell guys all the time, like, a guy will be shooting good all day long, and at the end of the day he'll fuck something up, and I'll just come up.

02:23:17.000 All I gotta do is whisper to a guy and be like, sucks to suck, don't it?

02:23:19.000 And a guy will be like, shut the fuck up!

02:23:21.000 You know what I mean?

02:23:22.000 So all the stickers are just funny shit that happens on the range, right?

02:23:26.000 And then look, this is the premise of the NRA show we talked about earlier, is I made a little card.

02:23:34.000 The gun world is sketchy information at best, generally speaking, of where your bullets go and why.

02:23:42.000 Like it's fucking magic.

02:23:43.000 It's about eye dominance.

02:23:44.000 One side's eye dominance, the other one is how to fix yourself, where the bullets go and why.

02:23:50.000 Make sense?

02:23:51.000 Yeah.

02:23:52.000 So, look at this edge.

02:23:53.000 Grip.

02:23:54.000 Yeah.

02:23:55.000 So, look, this edge is...

02:23:56.000 Tension on the left hand.

02:23:58.000 Yep.

02:23:58.000 And then, like, you use this edge.

02:24:01.000 So, if your group is generally tall, right, you got stance issues.

02:24:05.000 And then, as you see your group, whatever angle it's on, the arrows point to it and tell you how to fix it.

02:24:13.000 Interesting.

02:24:14.000 Now, backside, eye dominance.

02:24:16.000 This is where the gun world fucks up.

02:24:19.000 And I'll tell you this.

02:24:20.000 The gun world talks about two things for eyes.

02:24:23.000 Primary hand, primary eye.

02:24:24.000 Right-handed, right-eye dominant.

02:24:26.000 They talk about being cross-eye dominant, right-handed, left-eye dominant.

02:24:30.000 Right?

02:24:31.000 Okay.

02:24:32.000 Here's how division, I think, really works.

02:24:35.000 Okay.

02:24:37.000 Being primary hand, primary eye is the guy who makes all the rules in shooting.

02:24:42.000 You should open your eyes.

02:24:43.000 You should do this, right?

02:24:44.000 He makes all the rules, but the reality is his vision is his right eye on a scale of 1 to 10. He'll tell you borderline 11 because it's that fucking good.

02:24:53.000 You know what I mean?

02:24:54.000 Borderline 11 in the good eye.

02:24:55.000 Ask him the vision in his other eye and he's going to tell you hard 8. It's not really so good.

02:25:01.000 Mm-hmm.

02:25:02.000 This guy will always be able to keep the other eye open.

02:25:05.000 Make sense?

02:25:06.000 Yes.

02:25:07.000 Okay.

02:25:07.000 Now, these are the same thing.

02:25:11.000 Whether you're primary hand, primary eye, or cross-eye dominant, it's the same thing.

02:25:15.000 You have a strong eye and a weak eye, and the strong eye takes over.

02:25:19.000 Doesn't fucking matter.

02:25:20.000 Strong eye takes over.

02:25:20.000 Right.

02:25:21.000 Fucking easy for you.

02:25:22.000 Okay.

02:25:23.000 This is one out of ten.

02:25:26.000 The other nine are what I call eye neutral, right?

02:25:29.000 They don't have a dominant eye, and either eye could take over at any time because either eye on a pistol could see the sights at any time.

02:25:36.000 Right.

02:25:37.000 And this is where people get fucked up.

02:25:39.000 That makes sense with archery, too.

02:25:41.000 100%.

02:25:41.000 It's the same.

02:25:42.000 I don't like to keep both eyes open.

02:25:44.000 I've tried it.

02:25:45.000 Yeah.

02:25:45.000 Well, that's because you're what I would call eye neutral.

02:25:48.000 Hmm.

02:25:50.000 Say what I'm saying?

02:25:51.000 Yeah.

02:25:51.000 I would also say this.

02:25:53.000 If you have a gray hair on your head, you're closer to being eye neutral than any eye dominant any fucking thing because of life, right?

02:26:01.000 And the reason I would tell you that is because the part of the brain that works the eyes is like the part of the brain that works the ears.

02:26:08.000 It's the part of the brain that works the legs and the arms, right?

02:26:12.000 All these things on your subconscious, I think, work better together and are stronger together.

02:26:17.000 What do I mean by that?

02:26:18.000 You know, when it comes to leg days, dudes are like, dude, man, bro, on a squat 500 on leg day.

02:26:24.000 Okay, does that mean you can do 250 pounds with one leg?

02:26:28.000 No.

02:26:28.000 You can't, probably, right?

02:26:30.000 Because the legs are stronger together than they are independently.

02:26:33.000 Right.

02:26:33.000 And this is a function of the deep part of your brain, the fast part of your brain, right?

02:26:39.000 So having said that, you can't choose an ear, can you?

02:26:42.000 Right.

02:26:43.000 The only way you can choose an eye is the eyelid, which has nothing to do with vision or dominance.

02:26:48.000 See what I'm saying?

02:26:48.000 That makes sense.

02:26:50.000 I've never heard anybody say that before, but now that you're saying it, I'm like, okay.

02:26:54.000 Yeah.

02:26:54.000 So if you look at the card, right, if you're like right-handed, right-eye dominant, you should be hitting in the middle of the circle there, right?

02:27:02.000 But if your left eye takes over, look where the rounds will go.

02:27:06.000 And it'll always be, look, it'll always be eye distance apart on your target.

02:27:11.000 So people that have eye issues, they don't shoot one group.

02:27:14.000 They shoot two groups, one for each eye, and the gun goes left eye, right eye, left eye, right eye.

02:27:20.000 Evan was telling me that he learned to practice left-handed a lot.

02:27:26.000 Yeah.

02:27:26.000 And he practices things, even though he's right-hand dominant.

02:27:29.000 It helped the right side to practice with the left side.

02:27:33.000 Yeah.

02:27:34.000 Do you subscribe to that?

02:27:35.000 Yes, I do.

02:27:36.000 And I'll tell you why.

02:27:37.000 Before I retired from the Army, I tore my bicep out of my left arm.

02:27:43.000 I'm left-handed.

02:27:44.000 So I went and turned in all my left-handed holsters and got right-handed holsters, and I was like, I'm going to train myself to be right-handed from here forward, because the VA said I'd never use my left hand again.

02:27:54.000 So I was like, okay, fuck you guys, I'll be a righty.

02:27:57.000 You can't slow me down, you know what I mean?

02:27:59.000 And then I started training as a righty.

02:28:02.000 Took me about two weeks.

02:28:03.000 I was fucked up.

02:28:04.000 It was tough.

02:28:05.000 You know what I mean?

02:28:06.000 I had to stick with it.

02:28:07.000 Fucking a lot of frustrating days.

02:28:08.000 And after about two weeks, my brain just transferred all that skill to the right hand.

02:28:13.000 And I just fucking rocked it from then on out.

02:28:16.000 It makes sense because you have this mental memory of excellence with one side.

02:28:20.000 You just have to...

02:28:21.000 Well, think about this.

02:28:22.000 If you actually knew perfect practice, you could switch that to the other hand.

02:28:26.000 Right.

02:28:26.000 But if you never knew perfect practice, the other hand would get the same garbage.

02:28:30.000 Right.

02:28:30.000 That makes sense.

02:28:31.000 Yeah.

02:28:33.000 The eye thing completely makes sense, and I've never heard anybody say it before.

02:28:36.000 Everybody says you should keep both eyes open.

02:28:39.000 Well, you should, but the guy who made that rule has a strong eye and a weak eye and he can do that.

02:28:43.000 Your brain, when I say someone is eye-neutral, your brain treats your eyes as equal.

02:28:49.000 What does that mean?

02:28:50.000 Your vision could be shit, it could be great, but the brain says, I got two windows.

02:28:55.000 I look out of this one, eh, let me look out of that one.

02:28:58.000 And you're going back and forth.

02:28:59.000 You'll see the gun move, you'll see the head move, and then most of the time it's just like it's no good.

02:29:05.000 You're just not seeing it good.

02:29:07.000 Make sense?

02:29:08.000 It does.

02:29:09.000 Are you one of those guys that resists red dots?

02:29:12.000 I don't give a shit.

02:29:13.000 You know what I mean?

02:29:14.000 But did you ever resist it at all?

02:29:17.000 Because iron sights never fail you.

02:29:19.000 They're always there.

02:29:19.000 No batteries.

02:29:20.000 I am not a red dot guy.

02:29:22.000 I'm an iron sight guy.

02:29:23.000 However, let me explain myself.

02:29:25.000 The internet knows me as a red dot hater.

02:29:28.000 But, you know, I'm taking that video and I'm going to draw one line through that red dot back to your face.

02:29:33.000 And if it don't point exactly to your eye, you're shooting and not seeing shit.

02:29:37.000 And every time I show this to somebody, they're like, so you're against red dots.

02:29:42.000 No, you're never going to catch the red dot unless you get better technique.

02:29:46.000 And you get better technique with iron sights.

02:29:49.000 Well, no, you can have good technique with a red dot also if you had fucking good technique and someone showed it to you, but no one shows it to you, right?

02:29:56.000 The next thing with the red dot is the red dot is great for guys who don't see well.

02:30:02.000 Because what happens is the red dot becomes in between you, your eye, and the target.

02:30:08.000 Make sense, essentially?

02:30:09.000 Right?

02:30:10.000 So you'll be able to see that.

02:30:12.000 But what no one tells you is it's harder to learn, harder to master.

02:30:17.000 So you need it, but you need to train with it properly or it's not doing you any good.

02:30:22.000 Why is it hard to learn?

02:30:23.000 Few reasons.

02:30:25.000 You know, if you look at pro shooters, high-level pro shooters, guys that are like fucking insanely fast, winning, you know, national IPSC champs, Rob Latham, Dave Savigny, you look at these guys, what you'll see is like...

02:30:42.000 They're so much more efficient than anyone else, right?

02:30:45.000 And they'll use a way bigger site.

02:30:49.000 I think the winningest site of all time in gun games is the Seymour STS. But it's more of the size of a beer can than it is the little tactical site.

02:31:01.000 So now when you shrink that thing down to a postage stamp...

02:31:07.000 So it doesn't fucking reflect or whatever, but you can't see through it well.

02:31:11.000 And they curve the glass, which anyone who shoots rifle scopes will tell you fisheye is a fucking real thing.

02:31:17.000 But this red dot has all these things going on and it's supposed to be better for a guy who don't see shit.

02:31:23.000 That's interesting.

02:31:24.000 And it just becomes harder to do.

02:31:26.000 And then once you show them how to get it right, like, they'll never have problems again.

02:31:30.000 But it's all about showing them how to get it right.

02:31:32.000 Right, right.

02:31:33.000 And then no one talks about that because they're stuck on you can't use the right eye or they never get past that point.

02:31:38.000 How important is it to teach people the right way the first time so they don't have to unlearn shit?

02:31:45.000 Everyone has a preconceived notion of what they think they should do, whether you've shot before or not, and I'm going to have to unfuck that.

02:31:55.000 No matter what.

02:31:56.000 No matter what.

02:31:56.000 So it's like, you know, it's like kind of like in the dojo where it's like, okay, I want you to do like 20 good, 20 shitty arm bars, and then we'll get the hips better on the next 20. We'll tweak the hand on the next 20. We'll do...

02:32:10.000 You know what I mean?

02:32:11.000 Like, get some of them bulk movements down first, and then we keep fine-tuning.

02:32:16.000 Right, fine-tuning.

02:32:17.000 Yeah, so it doesn't matter.

02:32:19.000 I mean, look, even if you learned how to punch from Jon Jones on your first day, you wouldn't go out and win a match that night.

02:32:27.000 Right.

02:32:28.000 You know what I mean?

02:32:28.000 So I think it's like...

02:32:31.000 I always, I tell people this all the time, 1% better a day.

02:32:35.000 Just 1%.

02:32:36.000 That's what I'm looking for today.

02:32:37.000 If I can be 1% better today than I was yesterday, well that's 365% by the end of the year and I didn't do much every day.

02:32:45.000 You know what I mean?

02:32:46.000 So I always tell people like, shooting or a skill like this is a marathon, not a sprint.

02:32:50.000 Right.

02:32:51.000 Right.

02:32:52.000 That's with everything, right?

02:32:53.000 Yeah, I think so.

02:32:54.000 Yeah, I think so too.

02:32:55.000 And I tell you, if you think you're going to have to pull a gun and save your family one day, you should be practicing a few times a week.

02:33:04.000 It doesn't have to be much, but you should be practicing a little bit.

02:33:08.000 Getting this gun out shouldn't be a shock to you when the time comes because it's not going to come to you then.

02:33:12.000 Right.

02:33:13.000 Yeah.

02:33:13.000 That's great advice.

02:33:15.000 Yeah.

02:33:15.000 Do you enjoy teaching?

02:33:16.000 I fucking love teaching.

02:33:18.000 I love helping people.

02:33:19.000 Now that I'm doing jits again, a lot of people want me to show them like fucking cars and guns and jits and guns and...

02:33:29.000 I don't know if I'm ready to take my sanity pastime and turn it into work.

02:33:34.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:33:35.000 I play with guns now, and a lot of guys have told me I need to be like, you know, like the car bailouts, like all this shit.

02:33:45.000 I'm afraid to ruin jujitsu as work.

02:33:48.000 So I've been reluctant.

02:33:50.000 And I always tell people, I'll never teach jiu-jitsu.

02:33:53.000 But like, I'll fucking teach anyone everything.

02:33:55.000 I mean, if we can get better today, let's talk about it.

02:33:57.000 Let's fucking try it.

02:33:58.000 One thing about teaching jiu-jitsu, though, is I think it makes you better at jiu-jitsu.

02:34:01.000 I think it's selfish.

02:34:02.000 Oh, 100%.

02:34:02.000 It's like a good thing for you.

02:34:04.000 Well...

02:34:05.000 Okay, you know this.

02:34:06.000 You're a black belt, right?

02:34:08.000 Every day you went to a dojo, you were trying to hand that black belt his ass.

02:34:13.000 And then you get your black belt, and now everyone every day the rest of your life is trying to hand you your ass.

02:34:20.000 You know what I mean?

02:34:20.000 It's a fucking thankless job.

02:34:21.000 Yeah.

02:34:22.000 No, I love that.

02:34:23.000 There's no day where no one's trying to hand you your ass.

02:34:25.000 Yeah, fuck yeah, let's go.

02:34:26.000 That's the beautiful thing about jiu-jitsu, too.

02:34:28.000 I know.

02:34:28.000 You don't really catch any breaks.

02:34:31.000 You might get one day where there's like, oh, there's only blue belts here.

02:34:33.000 I love it when someone forces me into, like, real survival mode.

02:34:39.000 Now, I'm not talking about, like, you know, you got a triangle and I'm just gonna ride this.

02:34:44.000 I'm talking, like, someone, like, I'm like, fucking, I gotta do something now.

02:34:49.000 I fucking love that, man.

02:34:51.000 How are you avoiding injuries?

02:34:53.000 Okay, so, first and foremost, I started out, I don't even take Motrin, I try to take no drugs, after I got off the pills from the VA and started getting active, and, you know, I try not to take any medicines at all.

02:35:06.000 I went to Master Worlds, and motherfuckers are yoked up, fucking, and the gear is out, you know what I mean?

02:35:14.000 Like, these motherfuckers are working out since last year, just a fucking stroke a motherfucker today, right?

02:35:19.000 So, like...

02:35:21.000 I was a little unprepared this year for Worlds in that aspect, but I'm all for the peptides.

02:35:27.000 I'm all for the TR. I'm not against any of it, per se.

02:35:32.000 And I think that's a...

02:35:34.000 I did the peptides.

02:35:35.000 I just...

02:35:36.000 I don't like shots.

02:35:38.000 Right.

02:35:39.000 And I won't give myself a shot.

02:35:41.000 You were talking about that on Sean Ryan's show.

02:35:43.000 You don't like the idea of something piercing your skin.

02:35:45.000 Yeah, like, I don't like that.

02:35:47.000 I don't know why, right?

02:35:48.000 It's so weird.

02:35:49.000 A guy who's been through everything that you've been through is like, needles, sketch me out.

02:35:53.000 I mean, just give it.

02:35:55.000 It doesn't hurt.

02:35:55.000 Like, I'm not a sissy about it, but it's like...

02:35:57.000 Peptides are so easy, though.

02:35:59.000 I know.

02:35:59.000 Well, I took the pills.

02:36:00.000 I took the pill ones.

02:36:02.000 PPC-157?

02:36:03.000 Yeah.

02:36:03.000 And I'll tell you, like...

02:36:05.000 Super legit.

02:36:06.000 What is it?

02:36:07.000 Gary Brecca?

02:36:08.000 That guy?

02:36:08.000 Yeah.

02:36:09.000 He talks about redheaded people.

02:36:10.000 I'm a redheaded people.

02:36:12.000 I got pale skin.

02:36:13.000 Redheaded people have better pain tolerance.

02:36:16.000 Yeah.

02:36:16.000 Well, I take drugs different.

02:36:18.000 I think there's a thing about that, though.

02:36:21.000 Google that.

02:36:22.000 Redheaded people have better pain tolerance.

02:36:23.000 My whole life, I've taken drugs differently.

02:36:26.000 I don't get Percocet.

02:36:28.000 I get Dilaudid.

02:36:30.000 Like when you got roofied.

02:36:32.000 Like everybody else conked out.

02:36:34.000 Yeah, I'm just in over party mode.

02:36:36.000 But you were also talking about on Sean's show that you have the thing that Jamie has where you can take a lot of edibles and you don't feel it.

02:36:42.000 Oh, yeah.

02:36:43.000 The weed gummies are fucking worse.

02:36:45.000 Some studies have found that redheads have a lower pain threshold, but other studies have found the opposite.

02:36:50.000 Oh, okay.

02:36:50.000 So it's all fucked up.

02:36:51.000 Inconclusive.

02:36:52.000 Who knows?

02:36:53.000 Inconclusive.

02:36:53.000 Yeah, but...

02:36:54.000 I guess it depends on the individual.

02:36:57.000 But I will tell you this.

02:36:58.000 It healed my stomach, and my healing went from, like, a week or two to, like...

02:37:04.000 Four days.

02:37:05.000 BPC-157 is very legit.

02:37:07.000 Yeah.

02:37:08.000 So anyway, I want to do more in the future.

02:37:11.000 I'd like to, I kind of want to do it all.

02:37:14.000 Like, I mean, I'm fucking, I'm 54, man.

02:37:16.000 Yeah.

02:37:17.000 That's why I was asking you, what are you doing to avoid injuries?

02:37:20.000 Okay.

02:37:21.000 So besides that, I do cardio.

02:37:23.000 A couple years ago, my first elk hunt, my first elk bow hunt, You know, we ride up to like 9,000 feet and then like walked up three miles from there.

02:37:33.000 Like, yo, I was 280 at one time.

02:37:36.000 That was a fucking hell of a walk for a big fat motherfucker up that fucking mountain.

02:37:40.000 And then I hunt with these old guys and then the two guys I was with, like two of the guys have hearing aids.

02:37:47.000 From guns, right?

02:37:48.000 Huh?

02:37:48.000 From guns?

02:37:49.000 Yeah.

02:37:49.000 I don't know, they're just older or whatever.

02:37:52.000 Yeah, they're hunters, right?

02:37:54.000 So both of them got hearing aids, and the front one looks back to the second one, both good friends of mine, and was like, turn your hearing aids down so you ain't gotta hear them breathe so fucking loud.

02:38:06.000 And I'm like, I heard you, mother fuck you!

02:38:10.000 So I told myself I was going to start walking 30 minutes a day, and that was fucking hard.

02:38:16.000 And then now I do like an hour of cardio.

02:38:19.000 I could run, but I don't.

02:38:21.000 But I started again.

02:38:22.000 I need to be running a little bit for cardio.

02:38:25.000 I treat strength as two different things.

02:38:29.000 I spent about a year with 15-pound dumbbells, just like rehabbing motion, movement, joints.

02:38:37.000 And it was a lot of fucking pain.

02:38:38.000 And then, you know, now I'm getting stronger every day.

02:38:42.000 I've been, you know, power athlete, big John.

02:38:44.000 But I kind of look at strength two different ways.

02:38:47.000 I try to do strength days where it's like the traditional squats, deads, like all the big ones, push-pulls, all of it, cover it all.

02:38:55.000 And then I see it as conditioning as something separate.

02:38:59.000 And conditioning would be lighter weight, like CrossFit-like round, without knowing how to say it better.

02:39:08.000 But the steps, fucking, I'm going to tell you this, I'll tell anybody this, you want to fucking start losing weight, it starts at 10,000 fucking steps a day.

02:39:17.000 Get your ass out there, start fucking walking.

02:39:20.000 And then the next thing I did is I went to a competition class by Sean's in Tennessee.

02:39:26.000 And I got a diet.

02:39:28.000 I got workouts.

02:39:29.000 I got an app.

02:39:30.000 I tracked my diet.

02:39:31.000 I did right before Worlds.

02:39:33.000 I was at 170 grams of protein, 1,800 calories a day.

02:39:37.000 So you're very strict about it.

02:39:39.000 Yeah, and I shredded weight.

02:39:41.000 I cut down.

02:39:42.000 I was probably 240. I cut down to 222. As the smallest human being in the fucking 222 because everyone's yoked up like fucking madmen.

02:39:53.000 And they probably all cut weight too.

02:39:54.000 Well, my coaches were like, you know, and I can't believe I even listened to this, but they're like, man, it's the 55 bracket.

02:40:01.000 Like, it's guys like you.

02:40:02.000 This is their pastime.

02:40:04.000 You know what I mean?

02:40:05.000 55 today is not the same.

02:40:06.000 Yo, these motherfuckers, this is fucking killer season out of this bitch.

02:40:10.000 You know what I mean?

02:40:11.000 Like, I was unprepared.

02:40:12.000 Man, I had this big Mongolian motherfucker.

02:40:15.000 You know Edwin Jammy?

02:40:17.000 You know Edwin?

02:40:18.000 Edwin Gracie Barra, Tarzana, California, right?

02:40:23.000 Edwin's like a jiu-jitsu legend.

02:40:25.000 He's at Worlds.

02:40:26.000 Who's your coach?

02:40:27.000 I don't fucking have a coach.

02:40:28.000 It's me, my backpack, and a gi.

02:40:29.000 Let's fucking get this fight going, bitch.

02:40:32.000 And he's like, well, I'll coach you.

02:40:34.000 And I'm like, okay.

02:40:35.000 You know what I mean?

02:40:35.000 I don't got a coach.

02:40:36.000 And then right before we walk out on the mat, he's like, yo, ref, are they the same weight class?

02:40:41.000 And I'm like, yo, my man Ed, this is my coach right here, my man!

02:40:46.000 You know what I mean?

02:40:46.000 But this dude was fucking huge.

02:40:48.000 And he was one of them Mongolian jacket wrestlers.

02:40:50.000 You've done this?

02:40:51.000 Oh, I've seen that.

02:40:52.000 I couldn't get the takedown.

02:40:54.000 And then we went down on the ground.

02:40:56.000 He hit me with a fucking paper cutter, popped my head out, tried to choke me again.

02:41:01.000 Fucking got out of it.

02:41:03.000 But as I was getting up, I knew I needed to keep this guy on the ground.

02:41:07.000 But guess what, man?

02:41:08.000 When you get in trouble, guess what you do?

02:41:09.000 You stand the fuck up and this dude stand up.

02:41:11.000 And I knew I wasn't getting my two points back.

02:41:13.000 And then I was just fucking exhausted.

02:41:16.000 Like, I was fucking gassed.

02:41:17.000 So you decided to ramp up their conditioning.

02:41:19.000 Yeah, fuck yeah, man.

02:41:21.000 This year, I'm fucking winning.

02:41:22.000 I'm fucking world champion, Joe.

02:41:24.000 I'm the toughest old motherfucker I fucking know.

02:41:27.000 You know?

02:41:27.000 God damn it, let's fucking go.

02:41:29.000 I'm gonna figure this shit out.

02:41:30.000 But I will tell you, I think what I didn't know is you gotta train to compete to compete well.

02:41:37.000 And I fucking fight.

02:41:38.000 And I want to fight.

02:41:39.000 And I want to get smashed.

02:41:41.000 And I want to fucking, I want to almost lose this fight 10 fucking times to finally get that fucking submission on you.

02:41:47.000 And that's a great fight to me.

02:41:49.000 And like, yo, yeah, yeah, you just lost 13 points on that.

02:41:52.000 Right.

02:41:53.000 And then if you don't get the submission, you just lost 13 points on that.

02:41:56.000 You know what I mean?

02:41:57.000 So it's a different animal.

02:41:59.000 That's the interesting thing about treating it like the sport versus what you get out of it, what you like.

02:42:04.000 And I'll tell you this.

02:42:06.000 I probably could have changed the match if I would have pulled guard around three minutes in.

02:42:12.000 I ain't never pulled guard in my fucking life.

02:42:15.000 Like, what kind of fucking asshole pulls fucking guard?

02:42:17.000 Well, I figured it out.

02:42:19.000 I'll tell you what kind of asshole.

02:42:20.000 When you can't take a bigger motherfucker down, this is maybe what pulling guard's for.

02:42:25.000 Or, in the real world, walk the fuck away before you fucking just get fucking smashed out here.

02:42:32.000 You know what I mean?

02:42:33.000 Thinking you're something you ain't.

02:42:35.000 Do you spend a lot of time practicing off your back?

02:42:37.000 Because a lot of times, big guys, they don't like...

02:42:40.000 Yo, I'll start there.

02:42:41.000 Fucking get my neck.

02:42:42.000 Let's go.

02:42:42.000 I will give you my back just to fucking get out.

02:42:45.000 I don't give a fuck, man.

02:42:47.000 I love it.

02:42:47.000 That's great.

02:42:48.000 I always like, honestly, when I'm just at the dojo, girls or smaller people, I try not to smash them.

02:42:57.000 And I'll tell them, hey, if I get on top, just fucking sweep me.

02:43:02.000 Stay on top of me the whole time.

02:43:04.000 And I just fucking let them go at me.

02:43:06.000 Yeah, I would just pretend that I'm weak.

02:43:08.000 When I would roll with someone who's weak, I would pretend I'm weak.

02:43:12.000 I think that's the best way to do it.

02:43:14.000 No strength.

02:43:15.000 I'm never going to use strength.

02:43:17.000 Hickson always said that defense was more important than everything.

02:43:20.000 He said, I am always safe.

02:43:22.000 No matter where I am, I am always safe.

02:43:25.000 Defense.

02:43:27.000 Hey, your Hickson is great, by the way.

02:43:29.000 Have you seen Choke?

02:43:30.000 Have you seen the documentary?

02:43:31.000 I have not seen Choke, but I just finished his new book, the dark one.

02:43:37.000 Dark?

02:43:38.000 Dark?

02:43:38.000 Hickson came out with a new book.

02:43:39.000 I just audiobooked it the other day.

02:43:41.000 Because he's got Parkinson's now.

02:43:43.000 Yeah, but he's got the Breathe book, but he just came out with a new one.

02:43:46.000 I just listened to it last week.

02:43:48.000 You know what I mean?

02:43:49.000 Yeah.

02:43:50.000 You gotta watch Choke.

02:43:51.000 I got to.

02:43:52.000 One of the greatest documentaries of all time.

02:43:53.000 I know, I've heard that.

02:43:54.000 For a martial artist?

02:43:55.000 I've heard that.

02:43:55.000 It's fucking incredible.

02:43:56.000 It's Hickson in his prime competing in Japan, Valley Tudo.

02:44:00.000 And you see him training and doing his yoga and all the crazy breathing shit where his stomach sucks up inside.

02:44:06.000 I don't even know how to do that.

02:44:08.000 Yeah, when he was testing me for my purple belt, he was like, Yes, um, yes.

02:44:15.000 Yeah, when I lay on the ground, I am flat.

02:44:20.000 He's like, when you lay on the ground, you are not flat.

02:44:24.000 You should roll more.

02:44:26.000 I'm like, I know you know enough English just to call me fucking fat, you know what I mean?

02:44:31.000 You should roll more.

02:44:33.000 Yeah, I should roll, yeah.

02:44:34.000 And he's showing me like rolls from side control, getting out of stuff because I am more round than I am flat.

02:44:40.000 And it's kind of like, you know, fat guys should roll more.

02:44:43.000 It's hard to stop, you know what I mean?

02:44:44.000 Right.

02:44:45.000 So he had, there's some real fucking wisdom in there, you know what I mean?

02:44:48.000 But it's like, I always like how they know enough English to insult you, but they'll say it their way.

02:44:55.000 It's just being practical.

02:44:56.000 Yeah.

02:44:57.000 No, it's just real talk, and that's what he does.

02:44:59.000 Yeah.

02:45:00.000 It's pretty cool getting your purple belt from that guy.

02:45:03.000 I am the only person...

02:45:05.000 So, okay, I had to do the paperwork.

02:45:07.000 You know, there's other, like, big-time Hickson black belts out there that kind of police up all everybody.

02:45:14.000 So when you go to Worlds or you fight, you know, like these guys, and they told me they'd get me under their paperwork.

02:45:21.000 But literally, I did the paperwork with IBJJF, and I sent it to Hickson, and he filled out the paperwork.

02:45:27.000 But, like...

02:45:27.000 I didn't know.

02:45:28.000 I sent him the paperwork and it's like one of them forms where you just sign it with your finger on your phone, like super easy.

02:45:34.000 I sent it to Hicks and I was like, hey coach, we got a form, we got a sign and he's not a member of any of these organizations anymore.

02:45:41.000 So like...

02:45:43.000 I didn't know how this would go, and they sent me a fucking paper copy, and they're like, have Mr. Gracie sign this signature, right?

02:45:50.000 So I text it to Hicks, and I'm like, hey coach, can you sign my paperwork for Worlds real quick?

02:45:55.000 And he texted me right back, and he's like, hey champ, I'm looking for a printer now.

02:46:01.000 As soon as I find one, I'll sign this.

02:46:03.000 And I was just thinking...

02:46:04.000 Fuck, I don't even know who's got a printer.

02:46:06.000 I don't even have a printer in my fucking house.

02:46:08.000 Like, if Hickson's looking for a printer, I think he just told me no.

02:46:11.000 You know what I mean?

02:46:12.000 Like, fuck!

02:46:13.000 And then, like, a couple days later, he sent it back to me, signed, right?

02:46:16.000 I think probably his wife was like, oh, Hickson, yeah, look.

02:46:20.000 You know what I mean?

02:46:21.000 I just didn't think...

02:46:22.000 I think he kind of didn't know.

02:46:24.000 But he got back to me and then they sent me...

02:46:27.000 I had to do this a few times.

02:46:29.000 And then I was the only guy...

02:46:30.000 I'm the only belted guy fighting under Hicks in Masters right now.

02:46:35.000 Wow.

02:46:35.000 That's pretty fucking cool.

02:46:36.000 And then...

02:46:38.000 I would say this for jiu-jitsu for me is like...

02:46:42.000 I'm so glad it is where it is these days.

02:46:45.000 Because back in the day, I mean, think about this.

02:46:46.000 Back in the day, I travel all the time.

02:46:48.000 I'm in a different dojo, fucking weekly.

02:46:51.000 You know, I might be here for four days.

02:46:53.000 I try to get three days of jits.

02:46:54.000 I'm in fucking Waco.

02:46:55.000 I'm going to fucking places.

02:46:57.000 I've been in 26 different dojos this year, like doing jits.

02:47:01.000 Back in the day, that was fucking creante.

02:47:03.000 You know what I mean?

02:47:04.000 Fucking monsters in Portugal.

02:47:06.000 Because you don't have no loyalty.

02:47:08.000 You don't have no fucking...

02:47:10.000 And the reality is like, I'm just never home.

02:47:13.000 I don't want to be unloyal to anybody.

02:47:15.000 I'm loyal to everybody.

02:47:16.000 But I just want to get rounds.

02:47:18.000 And I'm so glad the jiu-jitsu world is so fucking welcoming these days.

02:47:23.000 Meaning, I don't have to show up and fight to be here.

02:47:27.000 Much more open-minded.

02:47:28.000 They're happy to welcome people from other schools.

02:47:30.000 It's nice.

02:47:31.000 The only person that was like...

02:47:34.000 Why Are You Here was Cyborg at Fight Sports.

02:47:37.000 Oh, really?

02:47:38.000 Yeah, you know Cyborg?

02:47:39.000 Yeah, sure.

02:47:39.000 He's great.

02:47:40.000 And you know Roosevelt?

02:47:41.000 He's a fucking savage.

02:47:42.000 You know Roosevelt, the tall guy that hangs out with him?

02:47:44.000 I don't.

02:47:45.000 Tallest black belt I've ever seen.

02:47:47.000 Tallest Brazilian I've ever seen, right?

02:47:49.000 So he's one of the black belts down there with Cyborg.

02:47:54.000 And...

02:47:55.000 I'm out there and then like at the time I was blue belt, you know what I mean?

02:47:59.000 And I was probably I don't know 250 I was kind of fat and like fight sports is like old-school Brazilian jiu-jitsu where we're gonna shrimp across the mat we do fucking all this I don't give a fuck if you lose in jiu-jitsu today, but you're gonna be tough, right?

02:48:14.000 So it's that kind of shit and that's how Carlson Gracie's was yeah Before you even got to the class, you were fucking exhausted.

02:48:20.000 Yeah, the class hasn't started yet, right?

02:48:21.000 So I'm out on the mat.

02:48:23.000 I'm breathing hard.

02:48:23.000 I'm just kind of doing my thing.

02:48:25.000 And Roosevelt, the big tall black belt, comes over and he was like, man, he's like, you are my inspiration.

02:48:30.000 I'm like, I am, coach?

02:48:33.000 I'm your inspiration?

02:48:33.000 He's like, yes.

02:48:35.000 He's like, you are out here.

02:48:37.000 You are doing this, man.

02:48:39.000 He was like, you are everyone's inspiration.

02:48:41.000 And I'm looking around and everyone's rolling.

02:48:44.000 And then everyone stops because he's talking to me.

02:48:48.000 You know what I mean?

02:48:49.000 And now everyone's looking at me and I'm like, what in the fuck is going on, right?

02:48:53.000 Yeah.

02:48:54.000 So he was like, you are here.

02:48:56.000 You are doing this.

02:48:57.000 You are old.

02:48:59.000 You are my inspiration.

02:49:01.000 And I'm like, thanks, coach.

02:49:04.000 And then I didn't need a break, but I was like, fuck, after that talk, maybe I do need a break.

02:49:08.000 So I was like, maybe I do need a break, coach.

02:49:11.000 And he was like, okay, fix your gi.

02:49:13.000 So I fix my gi, I tie my belt.

02:49:14.000 He's like, run laps around the practice until you're ready to practice again.

02:49:18.000 It was like, man, that's fucking worse.

02:49:21.000 I didn't even need the fucking break.

02:49:23.000 And he gave me the old speech, so I agreed.

02:49:25.000 And then I had to run.

02:49:26.000 I thought that was more embarrassing, running laps around everybody.

02:49:30.000 Right?

02:49:30.000 But like when he said he wanted to give me a break, like the fucking break is like screeched to a halt.

02:49:37.000 Everybody was like, did he just say, does that guy, why the fuck does that guy get a break?

02:49:41.000 You know what I mean?

02:49:42.000 Your break was two laps.

02:49:43.000 Yeah.

02:49:43.000 And then Cyborg came up to me and they didn't, I didn't have a gi yet.

02:49:50.000 I hadn't bought a gi, and I hadn't found a gi that fit me.

02:49:54.000 I just bought a gi, but I only had a white belt, right?

02:49:57.000 I got the gi at Gracie Raleigh, my home dojo, right?

02:50:00.000 And then they only had a white belt, so I had a white belt, so I was white belting it, but really I was a blue belt.

02:50:06.000 And when it came to Roland, Cyborg is like, who are you, man?

02:50:10.000 I'm like, coach?

02:50:11.000 And he's like, who are you, man?

02:50:13.000 Who are you?

02:50:14.000 I thought you were like a spy?

02:50:15.000 Yeah, he's like, why are you here?

02:50:16.000 And I'm like, I just, I just, well, my brother lives here, coach.

02:50:20.000 And I called ahead of time and I asked if I could come do jujitsu.

02:50:23.000 I'm just trying to get a couple days while I'm on the road.

02:50:26.000 He's like, man, you are no white belt.

02:50:28.000 Who are you?

02:50:29.000 What are you doing here?

02:50:30.000 And I was like, well, I'm actually a blue belt coach.

02:50:33.000 And he was like, why didn't you?

02:50:34.000 And then they got a wall of like old belts, which is like the coolest thing I ever fucking seen.

02:50:39.000 Like I'm...

02:50:39.000 Just a hundred, just old, different, all kinds of belts.

02:50:43.000 It's fucking cool as fuck, my opinion.

02:50:44.000 But he was like, why didn't you get one off the extra belts?

02:50:47.000 And I was like, well, you didn't have one, coach.

02:50:50.000 And he thinks for a second.

02:50:51.000 He was like, you are right.

02:50:52.000 There's not one your size on the wall.

02:50:55.000 And I was like, holy fuck.

02:50:56.000 There's a ton of belts there for him to even know that.

02:50:59.000 Wow.

02:50:59.000 Because I went through all of them and couldn't fit one.

02:51:02.000 And he was like, okay.

02:51:03.000 So he was just concerned that you were sandbagging or trying to get information.

02:51:07.000 Yeah, I don't know.

02:51:08.000 But they were great with me.

02:51:09.000 Shout out to Cyborg and Roosevelt.

02:51:12.000 Hard dudes.

02:51:13.000 Yeah, they're hard down there.

02:51:15.000 Wagner Rocha, all those guys down there.

02:51:17.000 But I've been in 26, I think 26 dojos this year, man.

02:51:20.000 That's wild.

02:51:21.000 So you're all in.

02:51:22.000 I'm all in, man.

02:51:23.000 I'm in all the time.

02:51:25.000 So one of the things is I can only go to Hickson to get promoted because I'm never in one dojo long enough to earn a stripe or earn a...

02:51:36.000 So I think it's like a...

02:51:38.000 I don't know.

02:51:39.000 I feel like I'm fortunate of where I am.

02:51:42.000 You know what I mean?

02:51:43.000 And then, honestly, the reason I went to Hickson is because I could.

02:51:47.000 And I figured if I need to be tested for a belt...

02:51:51.000 Yeah.

02:51:51.000 Like, who else should test me?

02:51:54.000 You know what I mean?

02:51:54.000 When you get your black belt, you get a black belt from Hickson.

02:51:56.000 It's like, there's very few black belts that hold that kind of weight.

02:51:59.000 Yeah.

02:52:00.000 There's like Henzo Hickson.

02:52:01.000 Yeah.

02:52:02.000 Jean-Jacques Machado.

02:52:03.000 There's a few of those like old school legendary belts.

02:52:07.000 Yeah.

02:52:08.000 Yeah.

02:52:08.000 Fuck yeah.

02:52:09.000 Megaton Diaz.

02:52:10.000 It's like a few of those legendary old school belts, you know?

02:52:14.000 Yeah.

02:52:14.000 Fucking...

02:52:15.000 Pedro Sauer.

02:52:15.000 Hegan.

02:52:16.000 Yeah.

02:52:16.000 Hegan.

02:52:17.000 Yeah.

02:52:17.000 I love Hegan.

02:52:18.000 I know.

02:52:18.000 I love...

02:52:19.000 I actually was Hegan's corner guy when he was in Abu Dhabi in 2003. You were?

02:52:25.000 Yelling his time out.

02:52:26.000 Yeah, because I was there with Eddie Bravo.

02:52:28.000 Oh yeah, that's right.

02:52:29.000 We all trained at the Machado, so I know Hegan.

02:52:31.000 And then Hegan's like, my friend, do the time for me.

02:52:35.000 He was kind of out of shape, but he's still fucking people up.

02:52:38.000 But he wanted to know, tell me when there's a minute to go so I can really fucking hit the gas.

02:52:43.000 I want to coast for a little bit and then decide when to go.

02:52:47.000 Yeah, I love it.

02:52:49.000 I call it fat guy jiu-jitsu, and I think people are shocked when I say that term.

02:52:55.000 But really, it's like the Danaher ageless stuff.

02:53:00.000 There's stuff that bigger guys, less athletic...

02:53:03.000 Right.

02:53:04.000 Are going to have to do because they can't do a flying whatever.

02:53:07.000 Right.

02:53:08.000 You know what I mean?

02:53:08.000 And I love his smash game.

02:53:12.000 So I went to the Machado camp.

02:53:14.000 It was him, Roger, Carlos, and John.

02:53:18.000 John Machado.

02:53:19.000 I love that guy too.

02:53:21.000 You know John?

02:53:21.000 Sure.

02:53:22.000 He carries condom holsters.

02:53:24.000 Nice.

02:53:24.000 Yeah, he's great, man.

02:53:26.000 But I went to their summer camp and I was like, hey, can I get a picture?

02:53:30.000 And he was sitting on the couch and Carlos is like, You know, typical Bigger Brothers shit.

02:53:34.000 Get the fuck up.

02:53:35.000 You're lazy.

02:53:36.000 Kind of dogging him.

02:53:37.000 So I was like, you don't have to get up, coach.

02:53:39.000 So I sat on his lap.

02:53:41.000 And he was like, what the fuck?

02:53:45.000 That's hilarious.

02:53:46.000 Yeah.

02:53:46.000 I went to a Machado camp this year.

02:53:48.000 I spent a lot of time with Rafael Lovato.

02:53:51.000 I love that dude.

02:53:52.000 That guy's a fucking legend.

02:53:54.000 Yeah, he is.

02:53:54.000 He is.

02:53:55.000 I got invited to Felipe Acosta's kind of affiliate training with Rafael.

02:54:02.000 Shout out to Rafael.

02:54:03.000 He's fucking amazing.

02:54:04.000 Every one of his black belts gave me time.

02:54:08.000 And then Felipe Acosta, just fucking next level.

02:54:13.000 And it gives me hope as an old guy.

02:54:16.000 I know I'm 55, and I know I want to win the fucking 55-year-old bracket.

02:54:21.000 But But why the fuck do I need to be in the 55-year-old bracket?

02:54:24.000 You know what I mean?

02:54:25.000 If my jiu-jitsu is good enough, I should be able to fight anyone, right?

02:54:28.000 And that's what gives me hope of fucking carrying on that one day, like, because, you know, all I do is fight these young guys.

02:54:34.000 And yeah, sure, they beat me right now.

02:54:37.000 But like, you know, how many times did Helio get crushed?

02:54:40.000 Right.

02:54:41.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:54:42.000 So, like, it's the beauty of jujitsu is the age should be fucking the least in this equation.

02:54:48.000 You know what I mean?

02:54:50.000 So that's kind of where I stand.

02:54:52.000 And I'll tell you, man, anytime someone can fucking put it to me where I'm about to go down, I couldn't be fucking happier, man.

02:54:59.000 I had this black belt the other day.

02:55:00.000 Out of nowhere, just fucking smash me.

02:55:04.000 And then I tap, he lets me up, and now I've just got the biggest smile on my face.

02:55:10.000 And he was like, looking at me, and I was like, that was fucking amazing, Coach.

02:55:15.000 I was like, you ain't never smashed me like that, right?

02:55:18.000 And he just kind of looking at me, and just fucking tackled him again, you know what I mean?

02:55:22.000 Fucking went right back to smashing me, you know what I mean?

02:55:25.000 I just fucking love it, man.

02:55:27.000 Well, that's the best attitude for learning.

02:55:29.000 There's no better.

02:55:29.000 Well, I, as a human being, I need to learn something every day.

02:55:33.000 I think you're the same way in a lot of ways.

02:55:35.000 Like, I don't care what it is.

02:55:36.000 I think it's good for you.

02:55:37.000 Yeah, I do too.

02:55:38.000 I think it keeps your brain healthy.

02:55:39.000 100%.

02:55:40.000 I think it keeps Alzheimer, fucking all that bullshit away.

02:55:43.000 Yeah, I think that's why people get old.

02:55:45.000 It's one of the reasons, other than your body failing, is your mind gets old.

02:55:49.000 Yeah.

02:55:49.000 You're not stimulating it.

02:55:50.000 Yeah, for real, right?

02:55:51.000 John, this is a fucking awesome conversation.

02:55:54.000 Thanks, man.

02:55:54.000 I really appreciate it.

02:55:55.000 Yeah.

02:55:55.000 I had a great time.

02:55:56.000 Yeah, thank you.

02:55:57.000 And I can't wait to read your book.

02:55:58.000 So, okay.

02:56:00.000 I'm going to get some rounds in the future when you're healthy?

02:56:02.000 Yes.

02:56:03.000 All right.

02:56:03.000 I'd love to get some rounds with you.

02:56:05.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:56:06.000 I definitely want to come back.

02:56:08.000 I killed Tony last night.

02:56:10.000 Fucking amazing.

02:56:11.000 It's like bucket list for me.

02:56:12.000 You can come to the club anytime you want.

02:56:13.000 Man, I couldn't thank you enough.

02:56:15.000 Like, I know I came here yesterday.

02:56:17.000 Not a big deal to me, right?

02:56:19.000 Because, like, yo, I got killed Tony out of this deal.

02:56:22.000 Like, last night was fucking funny, man.

02:56:24.000 This guy told a joke last night.

02:56:26.000 The funniest fucking joke I think I ever heard in my life.

02:56:30.000 I don't know if I could say it or not.

02:56:32.000 Who is it?

02:56:32.000 I don't know.

02:56:33.000 What do you look like?

02:56:34.000 There was a guy, just kind of a shorter guy, a white guy, beard, and he just read jokes.

02:56:40.000 He just said, like, random jokes.

02:56:42.000 Oh, it was one of the bucket pulls?

02:56:44.000 Yeah, it was a bucket pull guy.

02:56:46.000 Oh, okay, cool.

02:56:46.000 And then, like, he said this joke.

02:56:48.000 You want to hear it?

02:56:48.000 Sure.

02:56:49.000 Okay.

02:56:51.000 This is the fucking funniest thing I've heard in a long time.

02:56:54.000 Why don't police have turtles as pets?

02:56:58.000 Why?

02:56:59.000 Because you can't kneel on their neck.

02:57:01.000 I was like, oh my fucking god.

02:57:09.000 Next level right there.

02:57:11.000 Well, listen, brother, anytime you want to come to the club, you're more than welcome.

02:57:14.000 Thank you very much for being here.

02:57:16.000 It was a great conversation.

02:57:17.000 I really enjoyed it.

02:57:18.000 Thanks for all the swag.

02:57:19.000 Thanks for letting me hold the evil hat.

02:57:21.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:57:21.000 Well, I got to put it back in its box.

02:57:23.000 If people want to find you online, sheriffabaghdad.com.

02:57:26.000 Sheriff of Baghdad, SOB Tactical, either one will get you to me.

02:57:31.000 You type in Sheriff of Baghdad and a ton of shit of me pops up.

02:57:35.000 And someone, whoever the publisher is, hop on it.

02:57:39.000 Yeah, hit me up.

02:57:40.000 I'm sure that book's insane.

02:57:42.000 All right.

02:57:42.000 Thank you very much, brother.

02:57:44.000 Appreciate you.

02:57:44.000 All right.

The Joe Rogan Experience - December 04, 2024

Joe Rogan Experience #2238 - John McPhee

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