The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates

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00:00:12.000 So, we just watched this...

00:00:15.000 What is this exact job?

00:00:17.000 We watched this guy get assassinated.

00:00:20.000 Which is kind of...

00:00:21.000 I've seen more people assassinated and killed over the last two years on Instagram than I ever have in my whole life.

00:00:28.000 Oh, yeah, dude.

00:00:28.000 The Explorer page now is a disaster.

00:00:32.000 Why?

00:00:32.000 It's just like me and Tom Segura have this thing where we send each other the most fucked up thing we find every day.

00:00:38.000 It's a brutal text thread.

00:00:40.000 But because of it, now I'm locked into this algorithm.

00:00:43.000 He's the CEO of their insurance unit, which I don't know what the difference is and what people are.

00:00:48.000 He is a CEO. A targeted attack by a gunman waiting for him.

00:00:52.000 A real assassination.

00:00:53.000 6.45 a.m.

00:00:55.000 Outside the Hilton on 6th Avenue, where the company's annual investor conference is about to take place.

00:01:01.000 Yeah, man.

00:01:02.000 I wonder what's going on with that.

00:01:04.000 That's one of those things that just makes conspiracy theorists go cuckoo.

00:01:09.000 I'm sure there's some real good theories floating around on X right now.

00:01:13.000 Oh, for sure.

00:01:14.000 Is there?

00:01:16.000 It's got to be.

00:01:18.000 The investor meeting has now been canceled, obviously, so that was maybe the goal.

00:01:23.000 What's worse, your X Explorer page or your Instagram?

00:01:28.000 My Instagram.

00:01:30.000 Oh, really?

00:01:30.000 Yeah.

00:01:31.000 I don't...

00:01:32.000 I just follow...

00:01:34.000 I mean, I follow a lot of people on both X and Instagram.

00:01:37.000 I don't know if it's necessarily a good thing, but when someone says something interesting or they post something interesting on Instagram, I just immediately follow.

00:01:44.000 Like, let's see.

00:01:44.000 Let's see if this will be fun.

00:01:46.000 But the thing about Twitter or X is that, like...

00:01:51.000 I don't interact enough to have a really fucked up algorithm.

00:01:55.000 I'm mostly just reading stuff.

00:01:57.000 I don't really hardly ever like post anything.

00:02:02.000 I think the problem is I'll click to watch a full video of the fucked up things so that it reinforces the algorithm.

00:02:09.000 Oh, you want to see this guy get shot or oh you want to see this car accident.

00:02:15.000 We'll give you more of those.

00:02:16.000 I've seen so many people get run over by cars.

00:02:18.000 Oh.

00:02:19.000 So many people.

00:02:20.000 Yeah, it's crazy because a lot of the stuff I've seen in the past year, I didn't even know could be on the internet.

00:02:26.000 Right.

00:02:27.000 I don't know how it is when there's so many things you can't put on.

00:02:31.000 Do you know that there's a loophole that the ladies use to show their breasts? 1.00

00:02:34.000 Which one?

00:02:35.000 Fake boobs, fake baby boobs. 1.00

00:02:37.000 Oh, no.

00:02:38.000 Yeah, they use a fake baby. 0.96

00:02:39.000 So they breastfeed.

00:02:40.000 So you got these girls, these big juicy melons, and they pull one out and have a rubber baby, and the rubber baby's sucking on its head. 1.00

00:02:46.000 The baby looks so fake.

00:02:49.000 That's hilarious.

00:02:50.000 But they can get some pretty realistic fake babies.

00:02:53.000 Yeah.

00:02:54.000 What was that movie with the Sniper movie about Chris Kyle?

00:03:00.000 What was that called?

00:03:02.000 Remember there was a movie where he had a fake baby and it was like so obvious.

00:03:05.000 He's got this like rubber baby and he's like holding on to his child in this stupid scene.

00:03:10.000 I'm pretty sure on Twitter you can just post nudity without any problems, right?

00:03:17.000 You can post pornography.

00:03:18.000 Yeah, dude, the replies to a lot of tweets that are irrelevant to porn, it'll just be like, that's cool, but have you seen my pussy? 0.92

00:03:27.000 It'll be like, some chick promoting her OnlyFans?

00:03:30.000 That's so common now.

00:03:32.000 And I just like, the discourse is like half infested at this point.

00:03:38.000 They had this one lady who was saying she made $40 million this year on OnlyFans. 0.87

00:03:44.000 Oh yeah, that's nuts.

00:03:46.000 40 million.

00:03:47.000 And she's a virgin, I guess, and she doesn't post sex stuff.

00:03:49.000 Sure.

00:03:50.000 Sure she's a virgin.

00:03:52.000 Sure.

00:03:53.000 She's a 23-year-old big-tittied virgin. 1.00

00:03:55.000 The only one that exists in the whole world.

00:03:59.000 See, that's an interesting scenario, if true, because it's like a lot of dudes want to shit on these chicks for being like prostitutes, essentially. 1.00

00:04:12.000 Right.

00:04:13.000 But, like, if she was actually a virgin, and she's posting, like, almost nude, but not quite, but making a bunch of money off it, there's, like, two contradictory things going on right now.

00:04:24.000 Yeah, she wins. 1.00

00:04:25.000 But the problem is, this is, I mean, I don't want to tell anybody to not do anything.

00:04:30.000 Like, ladies, you do what you want, you do you. 1.00

00:04:32.000 If I was a young, pretty girl, I'd probably be on OnlyFans.

00:04:36.000 I'd probably make some money.

00:04:37.000 Fuck it.

00:04:37.000 Why would I want to be a waitress when I could just show my tits?

00:04:40.000 That's how I would look at it.

00:04:41.000 The problem is twofold.

00:04:44.000 One, you become addicted to an extraordinary amount of money if you're successful at it, right?

00:04:49.000 So there's like a scale of people on the OnlyFans apparently.

00:04:52.000 We talked about this, right?

00:04:54.000 Most of the gals don't make that much money. 1.00

00:04:57.000 Most of them...

00:04:58.000 Yeah, I mean, what's that much?

00:05:00.000 Six figures or millions?

00:05:01.000 No, like, even less.

00:05:03.000 Like, most of them make a few thousand dollars a month.

00:05:05.000 I think so.

00:05:06.000 I think out of this 43, one guy paid her five million, she said.

00:05:10.000 Dude, that's insane.

00:05:13.000 What would suck, too, is if you went full board and you did, like, actual porn and just got, like, banged on camera just for thinking you're going to become a multimillionaire and then you still are, like...

00:05:25.000 You would have to get banged on camera a lot for years to really develop a fan base.

00:05:29.000 And you have to do a really good job, like, every time.

00:05:31.000 Super enthusiastic.

00:05:32.000 But my point is, like, you're not going to, like, most...

00:05:39.000 Beautiful young women want a high-value man as a husband. 1.00

00:05:43.000 Let's say they're heterosexual.

00:05:45.000 Let's just assume they want to get married.

00:05:46.000 If they do want to get married, they do want a relationship.

00:05:49.000 You're not gonna get a high-value man, especially if you're making millions of dollars a year doing this.

00:05:57.000 You're gonna want a guy who makes millions of dollars a year, right?

00:06:00.000 You're not gonna want a guy who makes less than you.

00:06:02.000 You're probably used to buying fucking Louis Vuitton this and that, and you're used to all this shit.

00:06:07.000 So you're wealthy, right?

00:06:10.000 So already your dating pool's smaller.

00:06:14.000 Because you're probably not interested in a guy who makes $100,000 a year.

00:06:18.000 A regular guy to you is like, what is he going to do?

00:06:20.000 He can't even take me anywhere.

00:06:21.000 I'm going to pay for our vacation?

00:06:23.000 Get the fuck out of here, right?

00:06:24.000 So you've already cut regular guys out.

00:06:27.000 So now you have a very small pool of men that you can date.

00:06:31.000 And then out of that pool, how many of them are going to accept the fact that you're doing this?

00:06:36.000 Now you have an even smaller pool.

00:06:38.000 So some guys will accept it, but for how long?

00:06:42.000 Like, if you get real serious and you get married, and then you're still showing your asshole to everybody?

00:06:47.000 But you're addicted to that money.

00:06:50.000 Are you going to pick a relationship over this guy who may or may not be DMing his ex-girlfriend?

00:06:56.000 You're going to throw it all away and throw away this $40 million a year empire you've created?

00:07:01.000 Or are you trapped in that essentially forever?

00:07:07.000 Yeah, it's interesting, the thresholds, though, too, of where they become successful for what they're doing, because it seems like some of them don't have to show their asshole.

00:07:16.000 Really?

00:07:16.000 They just post, like, thirst trap, fitness girl-type content, almost.

00:07:21.000 And people pay for that?

00:07:23.000 I think so.

00:07:24.000 But why would they pay for that when there's so much of that for free on Instagram?

00:07:28.000 I know, that's, like, the common question.

00:07:30.000 My search page on Instagram is all butts.

00:07:34.000 I assume it's something to do with like you follow this person and like you get a bigger hit of dopamine probably from being able to potentially see more revealing something from somebody that you are like a fan of already.

00:07:53.000 I think it's interaction.

00:07:54.000 That I think is a big component too because it's like I think half the income is like DMs.

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00:09:52.000 Well, there was some Google guy, some executive at Google that was warning about what's going to happen with AI girlfriends, with these sort of indistinguishable AI girlfriends that are going to interact with guys, and how this is going to create profound loneliness and all sorts of real problems.

00:10:09.000 Yeah, I imagine so.

00:10:11.000 And I imagine a lot of the DM conversations are probably AI chat GPT already.

00:10:18.000 100%.

00:10:18.000 Yeah.

00:10:19.000 Or, you know, you got some Andrew Tate type deal.

00:10:22.000 There's a bunch of dudes who are like pounding on the keyboard where the girl shows her tits. 0.95

00:10:27.000 Yeah.

00:10:27.000 Which is what he did for years.

00:10:29.000 Yeah.

00:10:29.000 Innovator.

00:10:30.000 Yeah.

00:10:32.000 And the curve.

00:10:33.000 Yeah, you're going to not have any idea whether it's even a real person, right?

00:10:39.000 Because there's a bunch of AI-generated girlfriends, or girls rather, that have OnlyFans, where they don't even exist. 0.99

00:10:45.000 They're not even a physical being.

00:10:47.000 Yeah, there's some pretty big Instagram pages, I think, that are just, like, fake.

00:10:50.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:10:51.000 Yeah, and it's just like, even, I think they're owned by entities, like companies that have, like, an army of AI chicks.

00:10:59.000 Yeah.

00:10:59.000 Oh yeah.

00:11:00.000 Which is crazy.

00:11:01.000 And they generate a lot of money.

00:11:03.000 I've seen the comments section on a couple of them too.

00:11:05.000 And shockingly, well maybe not, I don't know.

00:11:08.000 But there's a lot of people that are engaging with it like it's a real person.

00:11:12.000 And I thought it was pretty obvious it was AI. But I mean like some people are pretty stupid.

00:11:16.000 Well there's a high percentage of people in this country that have a below 85 IQ. Like a real good percentage.

00:11:22.000 Isn't it like 15 or 20%?

00:11:24.000 Is it something nutty like that?

00:11:26.000 Yeah, it's the same amount that people that are above that are going to be below.

00:11:30.000 It's like a standard deviation of averages and stats.

00:11:34.000 Yeah, there's people that are about as smart as a Labrador.

00:11:39.000 They just can talk.

00:11:41.000 Then you can trick them.

00:11:42.000 And if you can get those dumbasses that work at Subway to donate $5 a month and you get enough of them, Have you seen the UFC collab with that OnlyFans chick? 1.00

00:11:54.000 No.

00:11:55.000 There's a UFC collab with OnlyFans chick?

00:11:57.000 Pull it up.

00:11:57.000 What is this?

00:11:58.000 So there's this girl who, to spark outrage and get engagement, she breaks exotic cars. 1.00

00:12:07.000 She'll stand on a Lambo and just smash the windshield or something. 1.00

00:12:10.000 What?

00:12:10.000 And just shake her ass.

00:12:12.000 And then it gets tons of views, and there's a bunch of guys freaking out because she's Disrespecting a nice piece of machinery or whatever, but at the end of the day she gets views from it and then more people go to her page and sign up to it.

00:12:24.000 But how much is a Lambo worth? 1.00

00:12:26.000 Like Lambos are like half a million dollars, right?

00:12:28.000 She'll smash like the windshield only or like a window from like the driver's side and then do some like call to action or something. 1.00

00:12:39.000 Wow.

00:12:39.000 If I pull up the UFC one, you'll be able to tell what I'm talking about better.

00:12:42.000 I know the girl you're talking about, but I didn't know she did something with the UFC. Yeah, Dana White posted it.

00:12:49.000 What?

00:12:49.000 He's like, check this shit out.

00:12:51.000 What?

00:12:53.000 Yeah.

00:12:54.000 Unless they're on...

00:12:56.000 Is it on the UFC Instagram?

00:12:58.000 Yeah, it was like a collaboration I saw a few days ago.

00:13:02.000 Okay.

00:13:03.000 What?

00:13:04.000 They're giving away a McLaren or something for the next UFC event, I think.

00:13:07.000 And she's the one who's talking about it after smashing the window of a limbo.

00:13:11.000 What?

00:13:12.000 Yeah.

00:13:12.000 Real?

00:13:13.000 I thought it was kind of a weird combo.

00:13:15.000 This is the gal? 0.87

00:13:17.000 Oh, don't do it.

00:13:19.000 Don't.

00:13:19.000 Is that a crowbar?

00:13:20.000 Oh, what the fuck are you doing?

00:13:22.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:13:24.000 That's why I'm giving away this McLaren 600LT at Power Slap for free.

00:13:30.000 Check out the links in our bios on how to enter.

00:13:34.000 Wow, we're the dumbest fucking race.

00:13:36.000 We're so dumb.

00:13:37.000 What are the accounts that collabed with it?

00:13:39.000 It was UFC, right?

00:13:40.000 Yeah, it was a Power Slap event.

00:13:42.000 Of course it's for Power Slap.

00:13:44.000 That's just as dumb.

00:13:45.000 We are the dumbest motherfuckers that have ever lived.

00:13:47.000 We really are.

00:13:48.000 What do you think about Power Slap? 0.58

00:13:51.000 I don't.

00:13:52.000 I don't.

00:13:53.000 I don't get it.

00:13:56.000 I've watched it a ton of times on little Instagram reels.

00:13:59.000 You know, when it shows up, I watch guys get KO'd.

00:14:02.000 I would never advise anybody to do it.

00:14:04.000 I don't care how good you are at getting slapped.

00:14:06.000 I don't care how good you are at slapping people.

00:14:09.000 For me, the whole idea of fighting is to hit and not get hit.

00:14:13.000 The whole idea is the skill.

00:14:15.000 It's like you impose your skill set.

00:14:17.000 It's like a human chess game.

00:14:20.000 That's the opposite.

00:14:21.000 You're just standing in front of each other, whacking each other in the face.

00:14:24.000 But I will watch, so if people want to do it, that's your jam, you know, if you're some giant fat guy.

00:14:31.000 We see one of those guys actually had a fight, a dirty boxing fight with Yoel Romero, who's like the freaks of all freaks.

00:14:39.000 Yeah, he's like the dirty boxing king, dude.

00:14:41.000 He's also super juicy now.

00:14:44.000 He's a heavyweight now.

00:14:46.000 So Yoel is 47. So he was competing under pretty rigorous testing with the UFC as far as like, you know, I'm sure you would disagree.

00:14:55.000 But look at what he looks like now.

00:14:56.000 We could talk about that later.

00:14:58.000 Yeah, yeah, definitely.

00:14:58.000 This is Yoel now.

00:15:02.000 He smashes this guy.

00:15:03.000 Look at the size of him.

00:15:04.000 This is not a good video, Jamie.

00:15:06.000 Find another video of it.

00:15:07.000 There's the actual video of it from the fight event.

00:15:10.000 That's like someone's camera from the side view.

00:15:13.000 But he's huge.

00:15:16.000 Yoel's like 220 now.

00:15:18.000 225 maybe.

00:15:19.000 He's fucking massive.

00:15:20.000 He used to suck down to 185, and then what would he walk in at, though?

00:15:25.000 Well, when he would weigh 185, this was back when Yoel was fighting, there was actual weigh-ins.

00:15:32.000 So right now, there's actual weigh-ins, but it's a ceremonial weigh-in.

00:15:36.000 Like tomorrow at the UFC, I'll host a ceremonial weigh-in.

00:15:40.000 So the fighters weighed in at like 9 o'clock in the morning.

00:15:42.000 The ceremonial weigh-in is at 5 p.m., They've had the entire day to rehydrate.

00:15:47.000 So Yoel, back in those days, was 185 when you weighed in at 5 p.m.

00:15:53.000 at 185. And you couldn't believe he was 185. Because I would be like 200 pounds.

00:15:59.000 And I'd be sitting there, I'm like, how?

00:16:02.000 How am I bigger than you?

00:16:03.000 This defies all known laws of physics and gravity.

00:16:08.000 It doesn't make any sense.

00:16:09.000 He was massive.

00:16:11.000 These enormous traps.

00:16:12.000 He was one of the rare guys that when he would suck weight, he didn't look smaller.

00:16:17.000 He still looked fucking huge, man.

00:16:19.000 He has really round muscle bellies, so it's almost like bodybuilder-esque in terms of how much bigger you look just cosmetically to you.

00:16:29.000 So this guy that he's fighting is a slap fight guy.

00:16:33.000 And look at the size of Yoel now.

00:16:35.000 He's definitely less lean.

00:16:37.000 Yeah, he's less lean.

00:16:38.000 He's eating whatever he wants, but he's still got a six-pack.

00:16:41.000 But he's fucking massive, dude.

00:16:44.000 So how did he end up in this league?

00:16:46.000 Oh, I think this is Mike Perry's thing.

00:16:50.000 I think he's putting this together.

00:16:51.000 He's involved with it in some way, shape, or form.

00:16:54.000 So Yoel is just basically toying with this guy.

00:16:57.000 This guy has literally no business.

00:16:59.000 No disrespect to the man, but no business in the ring with this world-class athlete.

00:17:05.000 How much do you gotta get paid to go in and fight Yoel for this?

00:17:10.000 Yeah, $15.

00:17:10.000 Watch how he hops up in the air before he decides to go.

00:17:14.000 What is that about?

00:17:16.000 He just decides to hop in the air.

00:17:18.000 He's like, enough.

00:17:18.000 Let me end this.

00:17:19.000 He just decides it's time to end it.

00:17:21.000 Oh my god.

00:17:22.000 He's fucking huge, dude.

00:17:24.000 Look at his back.

00:17:25.000 Look at his back!

00:17:26.000 That guy used to weigh 185. And by the way, see the back of his neck?

00:17:32.000 He has a fully fused neck.

00:17:35.000 If he wasn't 36 when he entered into the UFC, that's how old he was when he first started fighting.

00:17:42.000 He was already past his professional prime when he first started fighting in the UFC. If he had gotten into MMA when he was 20, probably nobody would have ever beaten him.

00:17:51.000 He's the freak of all freaks.

00:17:53.000 When it comes to athletic specimens, he's the freak.

00:17:57.000 Yeah, when was his last fight in the UFC? Quite a while ago.

00:18:01.000 He fought Adesanya, I want to say five years ago.

00:18:06.000 When did he fight Israel?

00:18:09.000 I think maybe he had one other fight other than that, but you know, he was knocking guys dead at 40. Dude, the cost of March 7th, 2020. There you go.

00:18:22.000 So that was his last fight in the UFC. So the last four years, he's been competing for Bellator, and so they're a little less stringent.

00:18:31.000 They don't have a USADA deal or now whatever it's called, Drug Free Sport, I think they call it now.

00:18:38.000 That's the new company.

00:18:39.000 Which is essentially the same protocols, but they don't wake you up on the day of the weigh-ins or anything like that.

00:18:44.000 USADA was gross.

00:18:45.000 They would take these guys that are dehydrated, starving themselves, day before the fight, wake them up at 6 o'clock in the morning.

00:18:51.000 Did you see that article I sent you about the USADA corruption?

00:18:56.000 Yes.

00:18:57.000 So let's talk about that.

00:18:58.000 Yeah, so basically, and this was like a WADA press release too, so it's not like it was some journalist or something, it's like on the official WADA site, and they were basically exposing how USADA was covering up test results.

00:19:13.000 For which athletes?

00:19:16.000 Unnamed.

00:19:17.000 Which sports?

00:19:18.000 They wouldn't say.

00:19:19.000 They just said Olympic-level athletes and elite athletes and kept it very vague.

00:19:23.000 Really?

00:19:24.000 And essentially, they disclosed what they had tested positive for, and even that one of them was an Olympic-caliber athlete, and their entire career, they got to go until retirement without getting exposed just because they helped USADA supposedly catch other people.

00:19:40.000 Oh! 0.60

00:19:40.000 Oh, they were narcs? 0.60

00:19:42.000 Yeah, so if you help them catch people, then you could get away with using full board testosterone.

00:19:49.000 No!

00:19:51.000 Really?

00:19:51.000 Yeah.

00:19:52.000 Oh my god, so they're like a drug dealer that works for the government.

00:19:56.000 Yeah.

00:19:56.000 Wow.

00:19:58.000 And this is like one of the reasons of many why Hunter and others are very critical of USADA and are glad they're not under it anymore.

00:20:08.000 Well, there's a lot of stupidity with their regulations.

00:20:11.000 Like one of them is BBC 157, which is natural in the human body, you know, and peptides.

00:20:16.000 All they're doing is helping you heal.

00:20:18.000 You're literally dealing with a sport where you beat the fucking shit out of each other every day in training.

00:20:23.000 And you're not going to assist these people in healing?

00:20:26.000 Wouldn't that only benefit everybody?

00:20:28.000 There's no fear of harm.

00:20:32.000 No one's dying from BBC 157. Within the code, there's a provision whereby an athlete who provides substantial assistance can subsequently apply to have a proportion of their period of ineligibility suspended.

00:20:45.000 Wow, look how they phrased that.

00:20:47.000 What dirty language. 0.74

00:20:49.000 Proportion of their period of ineligibility suspended.

00:20:52.000 What does that mean?

00:20:52.000 It means you're allowing them to cheat.

00:20:55.000 However, there's a clear process for that, which does not involve allowing those who have cheated to continue to compete while they may or may not gather incriminating...

00:21:04.000 Wait a minute.

00:21:06.000 What are you saying then?

00:21:07.000 So it doesn't do that.

00:21:08.000 They're saying it doesn't do that.

00:21:09.000 At the bottom, WADA is now aware of at least three cases where athletes who had committed serious anti-doping rule violations were allowed to continue to compete for years while they acted as undercover agents.

00:21:19.000 Okay, so they pretended that they wouldn't let someone compete if they were doping, but they still did.

00:21:26.000 Yeah, while they were on shit.

00:21:29.000 Wow.

00:21:30.000 Imagine if that's like boxing in the Olympics or something like that.

00:21:33.000 The athlete was allowed to line up against their unknowing competitors as if they had never cheated.

00:21:38.000 In that case, when USADA eventually admitted to WADA what had been going on, it advised that any publication of consequences or disqualification of results would put the athlete's security at risk.

00:21:48.000 What?

00:21:48.000 And asked WADA to agree to non-publication.

00:21:52.000 What?

00:21:54.000 Were they worried about that with Lance Armstrong?

00:21:56.000 What the fuck are you talking about, security at risk?

00:21:59.000 In another case of a high-level athlete, USADA never notified WADA of its decision to lift an athlete's provisional suspension, which is an appealable decision despite being required to do so under the code.

00:22:10.000 Had WADA been notified, it would have never allowed this.

00:22:14.000 Wow, interesting.

00:22:16.000 And it sounds like this was somewhat how they operated, as if they had a high-profile enough person or certain circumstances, they would kind of autonomously decide, hey, if you work alongside us to catch other people because you might know something that we don't or what have you, then we'll just let you...

00:22:35.000 You know, no one will know.

00:22:37.000 That's so dirty.

00:22:38.000 That's so dirty.

00:22:39.000 That's literally contrary to the whole reason why they exist.

00:22:43.000 Yeah.

00:22:43.000 What's really crazy is, I mean, according to the UFC, so what happened was the UFC had some disputes with them and decided to sever their relationship.

00:22:52.000 And then USADA, like, publicly said that UFC is going to allow their competitors to do steroids now.

00:23:00.000 Which is not the case at all.

00:23:01.000 Like, they already had a contract in place with Drug Free Sport.

00:23:04.000 I talked to the guy from Drug Free Sport, and he was essentially laying out the...

00:23:08.000 It was essentially identical.

00:23:09.000 No BPC-157, no testosterone growth, nothing.

00:23:13.000 Like, you can't do anything.

00:23:14.000 The standards are actually much higher now, too, in contrast.

00:23:19.000 Like, you said I would claim, or at least suggest, that they were doing full-spectrum, bulletproof testing, but it turned out they were almost never EPO testing.

00:23:29.000 The HGH testing was never really done, and then also the isoform, what was it, the isotope ratio mass spec was not really being done either.

00:23:41.000 Was that like a budget thing?

00:23:43.000 Like it was too expensive to do those tests?

00:23:46.000 I believe so.

00:23:47.000 And also time intensive for some of these tests as well.

00:23:51.000 And I guess for the number of tests they were conducting, perhaps it was too extensive.

00:23:55.000 Or I don't really know what the exact motivation was.

00:23:58.000 Often you would think it comes down to budget and time, but...

00:24:01.000 Also, if you have an expert who just thinks it's not warranted to go further, like the same way if you went to a doctor and you'd be like, should I test this?

00:24:09.000 They'll be like, oh, if we know this, like, who cares?

00:24:11.000 It's not necessary.

00:24:12.000 Like, I don't necessarily know they went to the depth and rigor to claim somebody did or didn't cheat if I have, you know, preliminary data that you would exclude having to go further.

00:24:24.000 Sometimes you don't have to.

00:24:26.000 You know, test further if there's not an atypical finding.

00:24:30.000 Yeah, but like, if they're not testing for EPO, for example, and maybe there's an event in Mexico City, right, which is 7,700 feet above sea level, that place is brutal.

00:24:42.000 That's where Cain Velasquez, who was known as probably the greatest cardio heavyweight of all time, he fought Fabricio Verdum and he did not prepare properly.

00:24:54.000 Fabricio actually moved to the mountains above Mexico City and trained there for like four months.

00:25:00.000 So Fabricio, who speaks fluent Spanish, lived in Mexico, he really got ready and he beat Cain Velasquez that night to become the champion.

00:25:07.000 And he had tremendous cardio and Cain was just dying.

00:25:10.000 That's how brutal Mexico City is.

00:25:13.000 So imagine when you're competing at that altitude or maybe Colorado Springs or one of these really high altitude places, which we have events, Salt Lake City, and you don't test for EPO? Yeah, no, I'm saying.

00:25:26.000 That's crazy.

00:25:27.000 That's crazy because that's the place where you would do it, particularly if like you're defending your title or you're challenging for a title.

00:25:34.000 Yeah, and it's like some of this stuff, even if you're looking for it, is quite difficult to detect anyway.

00:25:39.000 It's like micro dosing EPO is still, they're trying to refine the parameters and determine with greater scrutiny how to detect it.

00:25:46.000 How long is the life that's detectable inside your body?

00:25:51.000 I believe it's like a few days, and that's if you're using like...

00:25:56.000 That's not a microdose protocol either.

00:25:58.000 Well, how much of a benefit do you get from microdosing?

00:26:02.000 Fairly significant, given you can...

00:26:05.000 Even just retaining your baseline parameters of your weight cutting can be quite helpful.

00:26:11.000 So it's almost like offsetting, for example, the suppression of hormones or the suppression of like...

00:26:17.000 Any sort of parameter that would decrease with heavy nutrient deprivation, if you can sustain it at normal, is performance enhancing in contrast to your competitors who are also weight cutting and might not have the same advantages.

00:26:29.000 Well, that's why TJ Dillashaw did it when he was dropping down the flyweight to fight Henry Cejudo, which is when he got popped.

00:26:36.000 And, you know, but he looked like a skeleton.

00:26:39.000 Did you ever see those weight cut?

00:26:41.000 Yeah, that was insane.

00:26:42.000 I might be misspeaking on the detection time of EPO, by the way, but it's at minimum the microdose protocols that are being implemented still.

00:26:50.000 Even most recent literature, you find upwards of 50% of the studied participants where they're actually looking for it still pass their testing.

00:27:01.000 Really?

00:27:01.000 Yeah.

00:27:02.000 Wow.

00:27:03.000 Yeah.

00:27:03.000 Well, one of the things that I've read about sauna is that sauna use, especially like directly after cardio, imparts like a microdose EPO effect.

00:27:14.000 Have you read anything about that?

00:27:17.000 Not recently, no.

00:27:19.000 So, I don't know.

00:27:20.000 Maybe you could brush me up.

00:27:22.000 Well, maybe we could find it, but I know it's helped my cardio.

00:27:25.000 It helped significantly because I went through an injury once where I couldn't do any kickboxing or any hitting the bag or anything for quite a while.

00:27:33.000 And whenever I did come back from like three or four months off of that, it would be the first few days were fucking brutal.

00:27:41.000 And it wasn't brutal at all.

00:27:43.000 And it was because of regular sauna use.

00:27:44.000 Sauna bathing can increase the production of EPO, a hormone that stimulates the production of red blood cells.

00:27:49.000 This can improve endurance performance by increasing the amount of oxygen.

00:27:53.000 Now, it says here's how.

00:27:55.000 Plasma volume, when you sit in a sauna, you sweat, which comes from blood plasma.

00:28:00.000 As your blood plasma levels decrease, your kidneys release EPO. So how do they detect endogenous versus exogenous EPO? It's similar to how they would detect for bioidentical testosterone and other hormones.

00:28:15.000 They look for, does it look like an endogenous signature?

00:28:20.000 So different compounds, there's different ways to analyze, but in general it's going to be Either the molecular mass of it or something to that effect would have a blatant difference between what you would make naturally endogenously versus exogenous origin, which is the way they make it in a lab, does not necessarily look exactly the same.

00:28:42.000 So even though it's EPO that you're injecting, it's actually like recombinant, aka made in a lab, and not like...

00:28:48.000 It's not like they're literally pulling EPO out of a guy and then giving it to you.

00:28:52.000 It's like grown in a lab, essentially.

00:28:54.000 Right, right.

00:28:55.000 Well, that was one of the things that Jeff Nowitzki actually said could be an issue, is that it is It's possible, at least theoretically, to take testosterone from animals.

00:29:08.000 Yeah.

00:29:08.000 So find a mammal-based testosterone instead of getting it from...

00:29:13.000 So they create it from wild yams, right?

00:29:16.000 Yeah.

00:29:16.000 So wild yams from Mexico, apparently, where they get all the testosterone, when you buy testosterone cypinate or whatever.

00:29:23.000 And soy.

00:29:24.000 Yeah.

00:29:24.000 Soy?

00:29:25.000 Yeah.

00:29:25.000 What do you mean?

00:29:26.000 They use soy to, like the phyto, some of the compounds in the soy as well as the yams look similar molecularly to the cholesterol that would get basically enzymatically converted to testosterone.

00:29:41.000 So you can just manipulate that slightly to have like a highly reproducible at scale for low cost way to make hormones.

00:29:50.000 And that's how testosterone is made.

00:29:52.000 Oh, that's interesting because soy is always associated with, like, soy boys.

00:29:56.000 Bad stuff, yeah.

00:29:57.000 Yeah, it's associated with high estrogen levels.

00:29:59.000 Yeah, I think the two primary ways they synthesize testosterone now is soy and yams.

00:30:05.000 So Nowitzki was saying that, at least in theory, a really good scientist could actually extract it from animals, and then it would be impossible to differentiate.

00:30:15.000 Yeah, I think maybe the first time I came on we talked about the carbon isotope ratio testing and having a CIR proof testosterone formulation and if athletes are doing that and I did dig into it after we talked about it a bit more and it does seem like there's strong evidence that suggests they're aware of it and are trying to find new ways to refine even the carbon isotope ratio testing.

00:30:39.000 Now they're looking at like hydrogen ratios Because it's more minute and specific, apparently, as opposed to with the carbon content.

00:30:47.000 They've seen suspicious testosterone formulations that look similar to endogenous carbon isotope signatures.

00:30:55.000 And your diet, even what you ingest, can change what your signature is, too.

00:31:00.000 Because they have to use, as like a reference, they use, for example, from your urine, they'll find some other compound that is upstream from testosterone, for example.

00:31:11.000 Yeah.

00:31:17.000 sex hormones. 0.56

00:31:18.000 And then if your testosterone has a different carbon isotope ratio than this, they know that, okay, however you got this in your body is different than the upstream hormone.

00:31:30.000 So through that, we can infer that, you know, it's probably of exogenous origin.

00:31:36.000 But if the exogenous origin one looks like the upstream hormones, you would never be able to tell.

00:31:43.000 So it's possible if you were sophisticated enough to make the exogenous look like the upstream even though you've injected it.

00:31:52.000 Yeah, and if you had animal-grade testosterone or cholesterol even from a medical-grade compound facility or something, you could probably react it down and create a CIR-proof testosterone.

00:32:06.000 God, it seems like it would be hard to keep that under wraps for very long without it getting out.

00:32:11.000 Maybe, yeah, but it's like the access to lab equipment and high-level testing is not as, the barrier is a lot lower than it used to be, for sure.

00:32:20.000 Like there are, I even have heard of people paying off WADA accredited labs to get like testing done.

00:32:26.000 Really?

00:32:27.000 Yeah, so they could like assess where they stand in terms of like some of the testing that they would do to see if they'd pop or not.

00:32:34.000 Is that legal?

00:32:35.000 No.

00:32:36.000 So they bribe water, allegedly?

00:32:39.000 There's water-accredited labs, not just in the States, but like in other countries where they're a bit more corrupt and you can, you know, persuade them to test your samples.

00:32:48.000 Oh, so you send your piss to Guatemala or somewhere.

00:32:51.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:32:52.000 And then they go, yeah, senor, you got problems.

00:32:55.000 Senor just does not look good.

00:32:57.000 Yeah.

00:32:59.000 But, yeah, if you do enough homework, you can, you know, develop a biological passport internally with your own team and, you know, know you're bulletproof rather than just guessing.

00:33:10.000 Yeah.

00:33:11.000 Well, there was some concern with Brock Lesnar at one point in time before he tested positive.

00:33:17.000 And one of the concerns was that he was testing himself, that he had gotten tested like a number of times, which generally you don't do.

00:33:27.000 Mm-hmm.

00:33:28.000 Now, why was that recorded, though?

00:33:32.000 Like, that they have his medical records?

00:33:34.000 Because you can just, like, pay for blood tests and urine analysis.

00:33:38.000 I might be speaking at a turn.

00:33:39.000 I might be speaking at a school here.

00:33:41.000 I don't remember.

00:33:42.000 I don't remember the thing.

00:33:43.000 But I remember someone who knows things telling me, you know?

00:33:48.000 I'm kind of on the inside.

00:33:49.000 So someone who knows things on the inside told me, dude, he got tested like 20 fucking times or something crazy like that.

00:33:56.000 During camp.

00:33:57.000 Oh, he was for sure trying to get around that.

00:33:59.000 Well, he's also pissed hot.

00:34:00.000 This is when he fought Mark Hunt, and there's a giant lawsuit involved right now.

00:34:05.000 Oh, wow.

00:34:05.000 Yeah, I don't know if that lawsuit has been, if it's still ongoing, or what the deal was, but Mark Hunt was furious.

00:34:12.000 Yeah.

00:34:13.000 It was obvious when you look at the guy.

00:34:15.000 I mean, he was like 39 years old, 300 pounds, like cutting down to 265. He was fucking huge, man.

00:34:21.000 What's even more interesting, too, is the storage of samples.

00:34:27.000 A lot of sports don't actually do it.

00:34:29.000 With Olympic testing, oftentimes the positive test results come retroactively to years in the past.

00:34:37.000 Once they've refined the testing and Actually are able to detect, you know, long-term metabolites of Terenabol or something of that nature.

00:34:44.000 But in a lot of sports, like especially in the U.S. for like traditional professional sports, they're not storing urine, typically.

00:34:53.000 So if you have more refined tests and get developed, oftentimes there's no way to actually penalize an athlete who was ahead of the testing curve at the time.

00:35:02.000 Right.

00:35:03.000 And...

00:35:04.000 At least from what I've seen, there's a really good paper.

00:35:08.000 One of the guys I know who's on the inside on this, his name is Alex Cagliari-Turner.

00:35:13.000 He has excellent information and studies on this stuff, but he did a paper that basically outlined how I think 75% of the medalists that have tested positive in the Olympics at the Summer Olympic Games for the past, I don't know, it was like a full decade of analyzation, It was like 75% of them tested years later, not at the actual time of winning their medal.

00:35:35.000 So if they're only being popped, you know, three out of four people are getting popped retroactively over a half decade later or more, based on advancements in testing, you can just imagine how many sports are getting away with passing testing given that retroactively they're not being tested at all.

00:35:54.000 Right.

00:35:56.000 So it's like if you're ahead of the curve now, there are a lot of sports where as long as you pass the test now, even if what you took had a more refined assay developed, you know, five years from now, they're not going to go get your sample and retry it.

00:36:09.000 Right.

00:36:09.000 That makes sense.

00:36:10.000 But wasn't there a famous Russian wrestler who was popped?

00:36:15.000 Because they went back and looked at his old stuff, like once they developed new testing protocols.

00:36:21.000 Was it an Olympic athlete?

00:36:23.000 Yeah.

00:36:23.000 That's why, because Olympic Games, they started storing samples in 2004. So they're a bit more rigorous about that.

00:36:31.000 And there are probably some sports that store, but the majority don't.

00:36:35.000 Hmm.

00:36:36.000 Yeah.

00:36:36.000 And it's like, you know, you could say it's corruption or you could say it's, you know, people trying to, the sport trying to cover it up, but I think sometimes it's just like budget constraints too, because it's like, you still have to be a profitable enterprise and...

00:36:49.000 Right.

00:36:49.000 I don't know how much you can scrutinize the economics on something like that.

00:36:55.000 You're also managing at scale, right?

00:36:57.000 How many athletes are you dealing with?

00:36:58.000 Yeah.

00:36:59.000 How much time do you have to go back and review all the different urine samples?

00:37:05.000 Yeah.

00:37:07.000 No, but it gets crazy because it highly suggests that in a lot of sports, as long as you're ahead of the curve, you're probably good.

00:37:17.000 Yeah.

00:37:17.000 Now, obviously, you have to actually beat the test now, which is more and more rigorous by the year, of course, but at least historically, what we've seen is the testing usually lags behind the methods that are being developed to get around it.

00:37:32.000 Is there anything right now that is not being tested for that you think is effective?

00:37:40.000 Yeah, like in general, the most effective stuff is going to be bioidenticals, which are being tested for, but it's like at the scale, it's kind of up for debate because sometimes they don't test at all.

00:37:52.000 Like, you know, we saw with USADA, they were barely doing adequate in-depth testing for bioidenticals with no EPO testing or HGH testing.

00:38:00.000 So I would say those are...

00:38:03.000 Probably the go-tos, you know, like EPO especially and HGH. There are other compounds that I think some people think they can get away with that sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.

00:38:14.000 I think it's called Trimtazidine.

00:38:17.000 There was some top-level tennis player who just popped like a week ago or something.

00:38:21.000 And what is that?

00:38:22.000 It's like an angina medication that the entire China Olympic team got popped for a few years back.

00:38:29.000 Yeah, it was like 23 Chinese swimmers before the Tokyo Olympics got popped using this thing, and then they claimed it was like food contamination or something, and they were like, oh, I guess that's what happened.

00:38:43.000 And then a bunch of those, two of those athletes won medals in the recent Paris Olympics, and 11 of them were allowed to compete still.

00:38:51.000 What does it do?

00:38:53.000 It shifts your efficiency of fuel utilization.

00:38:58.000 So basically, in general, to create ATP, your body would oxidize fatty acids as well as glucose.

00:39:05.000 And in endurance events, which is heavily oxygen sapping, if you can shift, which is what this drug does, It inhibits a process by which your body proportionally oxidizes more glucose than fatty acids, which is a less oxygen-intensive process.

00:39:22.000 So you can basically conserve oxygen proportional to the amount of ATP you're producing.

00:39:29.000 So in an endurance event, if you can have more oxygen for less cost internally, then it's highly performance enhancing.

00:39:38.000 Wow.

00:39:39.000 Or it should be.

00:39:40.000 You know, it's kind of speculative as to if it's actually performance enhancing, but it's kind of a weird coincidence how many people have popped for this drug.

00:39:47.000 Oh, by the way, the first time I was here, you said the Russian Olympics, the only people who didn't pop were the figure skaters.

00:39:54.000 Yeah.

00:39:55.000 Yeah, there was a Russian figure skater who was 15 who was on this angina medication.

00:39:59.000 Well, that kind of makes sense, right?

00:40:01.000 Because one thing you would want is more oxygen and endurance when you're figure skating.

00:40:05.000 It's pretty cardio intensive when you're spinning around and flying around like...

00:40:08.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:40:10.000 But they said that steroids, they found gross motor skills.

00:40:15.000 He's so loud, dude.

00:40:16.000 You can nudge him, keep him from fucking snoring so loud.

00:40:21.000 But they found that testosterone and things along those lines, actual steroids, it was not good to be stronger as a figure skater, that it didn't enhance.

00:40:31.000 But that was Gregory, whatever his name was, from Icarus.

00:40:36.000 Yeah, yeah, and I could see, obviously the compound selection will differ greatly depending on what sport, because there are some sports where being heavier is going to be problematic, and you might want something that could enhance, I don't know, your cognitive capacity, or whatever it may be, or slow down your heart rate, for example, for archery, or different applications, for sure.

00:41:03.000 Like beta blockers.

00:41:04.000 Yeah, like for archery, for example, things like propranolol are highly effective, as well as for public speaking, playing piano publicly.

00:41:12.000 I think there's famous pianists who use a stroke, too.

00:41:16.000 Yeah, I've heard of people using beta blockers.

00:41:18.000 Snipers, too.

00:41:19.000 Really?

00:41:19.000 Yeah.

00:41:20.000 It makes sense, right?

00:41:22.000 Yeah.

00:41:22.000 Just dropping that anxiety response.

00:41:26.000 Yeah, and if it crosses the blood-brain barrier like propranolol does, it actually calms you down very significantly.

00:41:32.000 It's not just about lowering the heart rate, it also de-stresses you.

00:41:36.000 It's an anti-anxiety drug, essentially.

00:41:39.000 Wow.

00:41:40.000 Yeah.

00:41:41.000 You've never tried it?

00:41:42.000 No.

00:41:43.000 For archery?

00:41:44.000 No.

00:41:45.000 I thought about doing it once.

00:41:47.000 I even asked my doctor about it and he was going to get it for me, but I was like, I don't want to cheat.

00:41:51.000 Like, half of the bow hunting thing is about being able to keep your shit together, and if you could just do it.

00:41:58.000 Like, if I could just shoot at a deer the way I'd shoot at a target, I don't think it would be the same.

00:42:03.000 Yeah, fair enough.

00:42:05.000 You're a purist.

00:42:06.000 Yeah, in that regard.

00:42:08.000 Because part of it is the discipline of managing your mind.

00:42:12.000 That's what I like about it.

00:42:14.000 I like that it's hard to do.

00:42:16.000 I don't want it to be easier.

00:42:18.000 It's fucking hard to do.

00:42:19.000 And that's literally why I like it.

00:42:21.000 If I could take a drug that would make it easier to do, I don't think I would like it.

00:42:24.000 I'm very effective right now.

00:42:26.000 I'm very...

00:42:27.000 I'm real successful at bow hunting, relatively.

00:42:32.000 I go to a lot of really great places to hunt because I have money.

00:42:36.000 I'm fortunate.

00:42:37.000 But relatively speaking, bow hunting is not a successful endeavor.

00:42:42.000 It's like maybe 10% of the hunts where people get tags, maybe, probably less in most places, actually harvest an animal.

00:42:52.000 How often do you do it?

00:42:54.000 I do it twice a year.

00:42:55.000 I go on a big elk hunt and I do like a bunch of pig hunts and stuff like that.

00:43:00.000 In between that, maybe one deer hunt.

00:43:03.000 And it's like, how intensive of a prep is it?

00:43:07.000 Like the whole process of doing the trip?

00:43:11.000 Is it like a multi-day thing?

00:43:12.000 Yeah, I go for like a week.

00:43:14.000 The really intensive part, though, is the preparation for it.

00:43:17.000 And I was going to tell you about this, too, because I actually fucked my body up getting ready for this one.

00:43:22.000 So when hunting season approaches, for like three months out of hunting season, I ramp up all my cardio and all my archery.

00:43:30.000 So I practice in my backyard.

00:43:32.000 I practice archery.

00:43:33.000 I'm shooting at 85 yards.

00:43:35.000 I shoot an 84-pound bow, and I might shoot it 100 times a day.

00:43:39.000 So I'm pulling 80 pounds, 84 pounds, 100 times in a day.

00:43:45.000 And I'm doing it day after day after day after day.

00:43:48.000 I do it five, six days a week.

00:43:49.000 So I was developing, like, severe pain in my lower back on my right side that led to, like, sciatica.

00:44:00.000 Developing some severe neck pain on my right side.

00:44:03.000 So this is, it's all, it's really an unbalanced thing, right?

00:44:07.000 Because I really should draw something back with my, I should probably like at least draw back my bow with my left hand as many times I draw back with my right, but I don't.

00:44:16.000 So you draw back.

00:44:18.000 So I'm pulling.

00:44:19.000 It's 84 pounds to pull it back, at least for the beginning of the cycle.

00:44:23.000 And then the cams rotate over and it significantly lowers.

00:44:25.000 Like the holding weight is – I think my holding weight is like 20 percent, 20 or 25 percent of the actual weight of the bow.

00:44:33.000 But what happens is as you're pulling back and you lock it in place, the way archery works is you want to – what's called pull at the wall, right?

00:44:42.000 So where the string hits the end where it can't pull anymore on a compound bow, I'm pulling hard against that wall so I'm steady, right?

00:44:51.000 And then I'm trying to relax this shoulder and pull and I'm stabilizing everything with this lower back, with my lower back muscle.

00:44:58.000 So on my right side, it was just getting locked up, like painful and stiff and sore.

00:45:05.000 Like hurt even when I walk and I would just keep going I'd do it for hours three hours a day Just hours and hours and hours and I just developed a real problem to the point where like when I was the last trip when I was going up hills my My hips were getting numb like my glutes weren't firing.

00:45:22.000 I was getting sciatic pain It was pretty bad So, I knew after hunting season was over, I was going to have to dress it.

00:45:29.000 So, I got some stem cell shots, which definitely helped.

00:45:33.000 I started doing a lot of stretching.

00:45:35.000 No archery for a couple months.

00:45:37.000 A lot of hard foam.

00:45:40.000 From Elite Flexibility, they make a PVC roller with a very thin layer, so it's very hard.

00:45:45.000 And I was doing a lot of rolling, rolling in the sauna.

00:45:49.000 Cold plunge, sauna, stretching, and it was getting a little better slowly, but it was brutal.

00:45:55.000 It was taking a long time to recover.

00:45:57.000 And then I started doing this thing called NuFit.

00:46:01.000 And what NuFit is, is electrical muscular stimulation while you're going through exercise routines.

00:46:07.000 And so they slap these electro pads all over your muscles and fully contract you.

00:46:15.000 And then you go through exercises while you're doing it.

00:46:18.000 And it's like significantly increased my rehabilitation.

00:46:22.000 I've only been doing it for a few weeks, too.

00:46:24.000 I've only been doing it for like three weeks.

00:46:25.000 All my back pain's gone.

00:46:26.000 Mobility's back.

00:46:28.000 No more sciatica at all.

00:46:30.000 No issues at all.

00:46:31.000 And everything is like much looser.

00:46:34.000 It's like coming back.

00:46:35.000 So do you find that more effective than stem cells?

00:46:38.000 No, I think it's the combination of things.

00:46:39.000 It's very hard to tell, like, what is actually working.

00:46:43.000 But when you add one thing, and then all of a sudden you get a significant response, I'm assuming that this new fit thing is having at least responsible for...

00:46:54.000 I mean, there's some sort of synergistic effect, right?

00:46:56.000 Because I'm using peptides.

00:46:58.000 Like I said, I got stem cells shot into it.

00:47:01.000 And it takes a while for the stem cells to take place.

00:47:04.000 I'm sure that's part of it.

00:47:06.000 But then this new fit thing is pretty significant.

00:47:08.000 So I've been doing that quite a lot.

00:47:10.000 I've been doing that four days a week.

00:47:12.000 And it's legit, man.

00:47:14.000 It's really legit.

00:47:15.000 I know Mike Tyson was using that when he was preparing for the fight with Jake Paul.

00:47:21.000 So I know a lot of other athletes use it.

00:47:25.000 A lot of people use it for rehabilitation.

00:47:27.000 It really reduces the amount of time that you have to recover from surgeries and injuries and stuff like that.

00:47:33.000 What else are you using now as part of your...

00:47:36.000 Nothing new, nothing new.

00:47:39.000 Still BPC-157, TB-500, you know, Ipamoral and stuff like that.

00:47:45.000 Like the same stuff that I've always used before.

00:47:47.000 This is the only thing that I've done that's really new, this new fifth.

00:47:51.000 Have you ever seen it before?

00:47:52.000 No.

00:47:52.000 See if you can find like some examples of, because like I said, Tyson was using it.

00:47:58.000 So it's no more time intensive because it's during training?

00:48:02.000 So what you're doing is, so I'm doing it for rehabilitation, so this is what it looks like.

00:48:08.000 So they slap these electrodes to you, so your muscles are just like locked up, depending on how much you can tolerate.

00:48:14.000 You know, so I get them to crank that fucker up. 1.00

00:48:17.000 And when you're doing it, your muscles are like completely flexed through the whole thing.

00:48:24.000 It's like, it's kind of painful.

00:48:26.000 And then while you're doing that, you're going through all these different exercises.

00:48:31.000 Okay, so they're like kind of rehabilitative type exercises as opposed to the actual workout that you'd be doing.

00:48:39.000 For me, what I'm doing is rehabilitative, but other people do it for hypertrophy.

00:48:44.000 And bodybuilders do it apparently to, like, say if you've got, like, trap issues, like, you know, like...

00:48:50.000 You need to have one area where you want to improve.

00:48:53.000 They're slapping it to that area and then doing all these exercises.

00:48:58.000 An entrepreneur that I'm friends with asked me what I thought about it as a replacement for exercise.

00:49:04.000 Oh, just a replacement?

00:49:05.000 Yeah, and it was such a rich person question.

00:49:09.000 How do I not go to the gym and still...

00:49:13.000 Go to the gym.

00:49:13.000 There was a place in Boston when I lived there in the 80s that had that.

00:49:19.000 I forget what it was called, but you would basically go there and their claim was they would get you, you'd have a six-pack, you'd get jacked, and all you have to do is lay there.

00:49:28.000 You lay there and they'd put these electrodes on you just...

00:49:32.000 Have you ever seen those ancient belly-shaking things for women to lose body fat? 0.99

00:49:40.000 Like back in the 40s, they just sit there shaking back and forth?

00:49:43.000 No, I'm sure it's more effective than that, obviously, which did nothing, but I don't think it's a replacement.

00:49:49.000 And I would imagine, I would speculate, that the time it would take to stimulate yourself, if it's for hypertrophy, if you just worked out more, you'd probably get better results.

00:50:01.000 Perhaps.

00:50:02.000 The idea is that it's enhancing you past what you would normally get because you're in this very unique state of constant contraction.

00:50:13.000 So there's no contract, relax, contract, relax.

00:50:17.000 You are just contracted.

00:50:19.000 You're just...

00:50:21.000 And then you're going through all these exercises, so you have to kind of force your way through the exercises while you're contracted.

00:50:27.000 It's kind of difficult.

00:50:29.000 I think if you were injured, it probably has a lot of viability, but I would be highly suspect of it being used for, like, a guy trying to break a plateau who's a veteran lifter, for example.

00:50:40.000 Right, right, right.

00:50:41.000 Yeah, I would agree.

00:50:42.000 And no bodybuilders I know attribute any success to something like this.

00:50:46.000 Right.

00:50:47.000 Well, this guy was telling me that some bodybuilders use it to target areas of having difficulty.

00:50:53.000 Maybe your calves.

00:50:55.000 People have a difficult time growing calf muscles.

00:50:59.000 Biggest nuisance of a body part, genetically.

00:51:02.000 It's calf.

00:51:02.000 We'll look at John Jones.

00:51:03.000 That's the craziest thing.

00:51:05.000 One of the best kickers in the sport.

00:51:07.000 No calves.

00:51:08.000 They're non-existent.

00:51:10.000 Yeah, it's so genetically predetermined, seemingly, that, you know, you'll have guys who are top Olympia-caliber bodybuilders, and if they haven't had calves for their whole career, they don't suddenly develop them, even though they obviously know how to train.

00:51:24.000 And then people will shit on them and say, you have no calves, bro.

00:51:27.000 Like, learn how to train.

00:51:28.000 It's like, this is my job.

00:51:30.000 Like, do you think I don't know how to do a fucking calf raise?

00:51:32.000 But they just won't grow?

00:51:34.000 Yeah, like, proportionally so.

00:51:35.000 They lag behind significantly, and it's pretty obvious when somebody has a lagging body part when they're on stage.

00:51:41.000 But it is, like, a very, very difficult area to locally, you know, if you don't have the genetics for it and the muscle bellies, it's very difficult to make a bad-looking calf look good.

00:51:54.000 It's weird because you get a guy like John where everything else is pretty big.

00:51:58.000 He's got big chest, big arms.

00:52:01.000 And this is not to say don't train calves because people get all riled up about skipping leg days and stuff.

00:52:07.000 Well, especially for performance.

00:52:10.000 You certainly need strong calf muscles for performance so you can make them stronger.

00:52:14.000 They just don't necessarily get aesthetically pleasing.

00:52:17.000 Yeah, there's definitely ways to optimally train them that maybe not everyone does.

00:52:21.000 But in general, it seems like if they're lagging behind for you, it's pretty difficult to bring them up.

00:52:28.000 That's weird.

00:52:29.000 What a weird body part.

00:52:31.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:52:32.000 It's like one of the worst offenders.

00:52:33.000 Is there anything else like that?

00:52:35.000 Any other body parts that are notoriously difficult to train?

00:52:39.000 That's a good question.

00:52:41.000 Um...

00:52:44.000 Probably, there's probably something that I'm not thinking of.

00:52:49.000 I don't know.

00:52:50.000 Neck, maybe?

00:52:51.000 But that's pretty easy to train, actually.

00:52:53.000 It's just not many people do it.

00:52:55.000 With neck, you've got to be careful, though.

00:52:57.000 You know, I use an iron neck, which I really believe in.

00:53:00.000 It's, like, the only thing that I've ever done that's strengthened my neck and not caused me any neck problems.

00:53:05.000 Whereas I think those other ones, like, you know those things where you put, like, the leather helmet on with the chain?

00:53:11.000 I think that's an unusual movement for your neck.

00:53:15.000 And I think...

00:53:17.000 You could probably get away with it.

00:53:18.000 I know a lot of wrestlers, including Mike Tyson, who fucked their neck up from neck bridges.

00:53:23.000 Have you seen the F1 drivers' workout routines?

00:53:27.000 No.

00:53:28.000 Dude, pull up. 0.91

00:53:29.000 Oh, they would have to have crazy necks. 0.83

00:53:31.000 Oh, yeah.

00:53:31.000 That's like what they do for their training, mostly, seemingly.

00:53:34.000 Oh, you have to have a neck.

00:53:35.000 They're just sitting there with a giant fucking contraption on their head, just like...

00:53:40.000 Like an iron neck.

00:53:41.000 Yeah.

00:53:41.000 But it seems even more intensive.

00:53:46.000 Yeah, but see, what I'm saying is they're not bending the neck, right?

00:53:50.000 So what they're doing is they're forcing their muscles to stabilize the neck as they're facing resistance, right?

00:53:57.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:53:57.000 But what they're not doing is bending all the way down and bending all the way up with weight, which I think is what's unusual.

00:54:04.000 And I think that's just a weird strain on the discs.

00:54:07.000 Yeah.

00:54:08.000 With a lot of guys, especially wrestlers, where they get strained from is someone grabbing them with a collar tie and pulling their head down and they get it real low and then they're resisting that.

00:54:20.000 You can fuck your neck up that way. 0.57

00:54:22.000 Or fighting off a guillotine or a Darce choke or a triangle where you're really fucked up and distorted and you're resisting against it. 0.86

00:54:30.000 You can fuck your neck up.

00:54:31.000 So what the Iron Neck does that I really like is you're rotating and you can adjust the resistance on the rotation.

00:54:39.000 So you have this halo, you put it on your head, you pump it like a Reebok pump, and if form fits to your head, you put a chin strap on, and then you back up.

00:54:49.000 And so it's got a bungee cord, so a very stiff rubber cord.

00:54:53.000 And as you're pulling back, you have a lot of resistance this way.

00:54:56.000 And then you could Rotate, and then on the rotation you can adjust the resistance.

00:55:01.000 You can make it more difficult.

00:55:02.000 But you're never doing any of this stuff.

00:55:05.000 And I think this stuff is where, at least from what I've seen, people get hurt.

00:55:10.000 Especially neck bridges.

00:55:12.000 Neck bridges where your whole body. 0.98

00:55:14.000 Oh, I can imagine.

00:55:14.000 And you're doing all this and you're rolling.

00:55:16.000 Like Tyson, you ever seen Tyson's neck bridge routine when he was younger?

00:55:19.000 No.

00:55:19.000 Well, Tyson had a 20-inch neck.

00:55:21.000 Yeah.

00:55:22.000 20 inches.

00:55:23.000 You know how crazy that is?

00:55:24.000 His neck would start at the top of his head when he was young.

00:55:26.000 I mean, he had a fucking massive neck.

00:55:28.000 Yeah.

00:55:29.000 But it's one of the reasons why he was also so good at taking a punch.

00:55:32.000 Yeah.

00:55:32.000 Because his head didn't snap around.

00:55:34.000 Like, look at his neck when he was young.

00:55:36.000 That neck is crazy, dude.

00:55:37.000 That's a crazy neck.

00:55:38.000 It's parallel with his head.

00:55:39.000 Yeah, this is what he would do every day in training.

00:55:43.000 Holy shit, that looks rough.

00:55:45.000 This wrestler bridge does strengthen your neck, but at a cost.

00:55:50.000 And I don't think it's at a cost for everybody.

00:55:52.000 I think it probably can be done safely, but I think you probably have to scale up very slowly and very carefully.

00:56:00.000 And make sure that you have the supporting tissue and strength around that to not compromise your discs when you're in these reared positions.

00:56:10.000 You're never supposed to have at least bridging with 60% of your weight sideways on your neck like this and then roll it over to the side and then roll it over to the side while you're putting all the weight on the back of your head or on your forehead.

00:56:23.000 That's just crazy.

00:56:25.000 Yeah.

00:56:25.000 Oh, yeah, I would.

00:56:27.000 That looked fucking sketch, dude.

00:56:29.000 Yeah.

00:56:29.000 Well, Mike had to get neck surgery.

00:56:31.000 Yoel Romero, like I said, had his whole neck fused.

00:56:34.000 His neck doesn't...

00:56:35.000 Have you ever seen him run?

00:56:36.000 No, but it probably looks hilarious.

00:56:38.000 See, find the video Yoel Romero sprinting.

00:56:40.000 It's nuts.

00:56:41.000 His neck doesn't move.

00:56:42.000 It's like this.

00:56:44.000 Like a robot.

00:56:45.000 Like a Terminator.

00:56:46.000 But it's also why Yoel can take crazy punishment.

00:56:48.000 Like, Yoel got head kicked once by, I think it was Derek Brunson, head kicked him, and he didn't even move.

00:56:53.000 Like, look at him run.

00:56:55.000 So his neck doesn't move.

00:56:57.000 His entire neck is completely fused.

00:56:59.000 And he has this giant scar on the back of his neck.

00:57:03.000 He is a freak, though, dude.

00:57:05.000 Did you ever get the impression that if he just threw himself into the fire more in fights, he probably would have won a lot more?

00:57:12.000 I don't know.

00:57:13.000 I don't know if you can keep that kind of muscle mass and have the kind of cardio that you need to throw yourself into the fire more.

00:57:21.000 Because it was kind of hard to tell if he was gassed sometimes.

00:57:25.000 Right.

00:57:25.000 And then he would all of a sudden burst out.

00:57:27.000 Exactly.

00:57:28.000 That Costa-Romero fight is still, to this day, one of my favorite fights ever.

00:57:34.000 And I don't know, man.

00:57:36.000 A lot of the Romero fights, it seems like, if he just started swinging and going in there, that he might be able to...

00:57:43.000 Take out a lot of dudes that he just let go of the decision.

00:57:45.000 Perhaps, but you have to, like, know how much gas you have in the tank, and only he knows.

00:57:51.000 And that style that he has is a style for someone who's very explosive.

00:57:55.000 It's very smart.

00:57:56.000 Because you don't just explode and keep going.

00:57:58.000 You won't last.

00:57:59.000 You last two minutes and then you'll be dead.

00:58:01.000 So what he does is he looks so relaxed and then he explodes on you.

00:58:05.000 And when he explodes on people, they don't see it coming because he's lulled you into this false sense of security by this slower speed that he moves at.

00:58:13.000 Did you ever see his knockout of Chris Weidman?

00:58:16.000 Probably.

00:58:16.000 That's the perfect example of that.

00:58:18.000 He caught Chris Wyman with a flying knee as Chris Wyman was coming in for a takedown.

00:58:22.000 He just, like, lulled him into, like, this is the speed we're moving at.

00:58:26.000 We're gonna move at this speed.

00:58:27.000 This is how we're fighting.

00:58:28.000 Oh, I'm dodging your punches.

00:58:30.000 Oh, I'm done.

00:58:30.000 GAH! And then out of nowhere, BAM! He hits him with his flying knee and just destroys his head.

00:58:36.000 I mean, it was one of the most brutal, watch this.

00:58:40.000 So see how he like moves?

00:58:41.000 Boom! 0.99

00:58:42.000 Oh my god.

00:58:44.000 Yeah, I mean literally his whole body.

00:58:46.000 Back it up again so we can see that one more time.

00:58:49.000 Like before it happens.

00:58:53.000 So they're fighting.

00:58:54.000 He's got him on the ground.

00:58:56.000 Oh, so here it is.

00:58:57.000 So you see as he moves, he's not—boom!

00:59:00.000 He just leaps into him.

00:59:01.000 This is like a highlight thing.

00:59:02.000 It's not showing the whole exchange.

00:59:06.000 But in the fight, Weidman's very aggressive, very tough, and pushing a pace, trying to get the takedowns.

00:59:12.000 Weidman likes to push a strong pace and really wear on guys.

00:59:15.000 And Yoel just would kind of move and relax.

00:59:19.000 And then out of nowhere, he would just blow on you.

00:59:21.000 And that's what he did with Adesanya, too.

00:59:23.000 That was a very boring fight, because Adesanya's like, I see your fucking game. 1.00

00:59:27.000 I'm going to stay out here and wait for you to charge in on me.

00:59:30.000 I'm going to counterattack.

00:59:30.000 And Yoel was like, come on!

00:59:32.000 Come fight me!

00:59:33.000 And he's like, I know what you're doing, because he exploded one time and caught Izzy with a left hand, like a powerful left hand.

00:59:39.000 And Izzy's like, oh, Jesus Christ. 0.98

00:59:41.000 This guy moves so fucking fast when he wants to.

00:59:44.000 But he can't really fight like that for five minutes for five rounds.

00:59:48.000 He can't really just keep exploding.

00:59:50.000 That's like the problem with a guy like Conor McGregor.

00:59:52.000 Like Conor McGregor was lethal for one or two rounds.

00:59:56.000 But then you get into the third, fourth, and fifth.

00:59:58.000 There's so much fast twitch muscle fiber engagement.

01:00:01.000 There's so much explosion.

01:00:03.000 It's like constant sprinting.

01:00:05.000 Has he ever knocked out a guy after round two even?

01:00:10.000 That's a good question.

01:00:11.000 I don't know.

01:00:12.000 I mean, he certainly could, right?

01:00:15.000 I mean, he's not out of shape.

01:00:16.000 I remember what you're saying, though.

01:00:18.000 It was like the later rounds.

01:00:18.000 It was so blatant.

01:00:20.000 He was gassed.

01:00:21.000 Well, he was so fast in the first couple of rounds.

01:00:24.000 That was the thing.

01:00:25.000 It's like, if he didn't...

01:00:27.000 Fucking tune you up in those first couple rounds if you were like Nate Diaz some indestructible zombie and then you get into the later rounds and you're fucking tired like how is this guy still here and then Nate is just like slapping you and beating you up and Nate can push that 50% pace forever.

01:00:42.000 Yeah.

01:00:43.000 Him and his brother were very good at that.

01:00:44.000 They didn't really explode.

01:00:46.000 They just will like touch you.

01:00:47.000 They'll just touch you all the time and you can't breathe because you don't have the time to relax, right?

01:00:53.000 So if he's constantly hitting you with punches that aren't that hard you're like Because you're always like because you don't know if these punches are gonna be hard and then occasionally would mix them up with like really hard shots And so you always have to be ready for the hard shot.

01:01:07.000 So you never get to breathe you never get to relax So you're constantly on edge and you just get worn out and he's Relaxed because he's just hitting you and touching you and he's talking shit to you.

01:01:18.000 What bitch? 1.00

01:01:19.000 What's going on bitch? 1.00

01:01:20.000 They keep hitting you this like 50% like literally like this not really trying to hurt you at all just just Just constantly making you tense up and just drain your gas tank.

01:01:30.000 They seem relentless.

01:01:32.000 Oh, dude.

01:01:33.000 Well, his cardio, Nick Diaz especially, his cardio was insanity.

01:01:37.000 He swam back from Alcatraz.

01:01:40.000 He did it on five different occasions.

01:01:42.000 In the ocean with great white sharks.

01:01:44.000 What is it, like a mile and a half or something like that?

01:01:47.000 In the fucking freezing cold Pacific Northwest Ocean?

01:01:51.000 I don't know.

01:01:52.000 How far is Alcatraz?

01:01:53.000 How far is this swim?

01:01:55.000 They used to think you couldn't do it.

01:01:57.000 They used to think no one could survive it.

01:01:59.000 So that's why they put Alcatraz there.

01:02:00.000 They put a prison out there, they're fucked.

01:02:02.000 But a couple of guys did escape and they don't know what happened to them.

01:02:05.000 They found their clothes at the beach and there's speculation that at least one guy survived it.

01:02:10.000 But how are you going to train?

01:02:12.000 You can't train to swim, and then you're going to just swim for a mile and a half?

01:02:17.000 Yeah.

01:02:17.000 You're not going to make it.

01:02:18.000 I don't know.

01:02:19.000 What's cardio regimens in prison?

01:02:23.000 I would have no idea.

01:02:24.000 I mean, you could do cardio, but you're not going to recreate swimming without swimming.

01:02:29.000 The resistance, the current, like all of it.

01:02:32.000 And temperature regulation.

01:02:34.000 Yeah.

01:02:34.000 You're just not going to be able to recreate that unless you're doing it, and they're not going to let you practice.

01:02:39.000 Like, guys, I'm just gonna do laughs around Alcatraz.

01:02:42.000 Like, get the fuck out of here.

01:02:43.000 How far is it, Jimmy?

01:02:44.000 Mile and a half.

01:02:45.000 So a mile and a half in the fucking ocean with sharks.

01:02:50.000 When was this that these prisoners escaped?

01:02:53.000 Like, was this decades ago?

01:02:55.000 It was a Clint Eastwood movie, Escape from Alcatraz.

01:02:57.000 Did you ever see it?

01:02:58.000 No.

01:02:58.000 Yeah, there's a movie about the actual escape from Alcatraz.

01:03:01.000 These guys had made a papier-mâché model of their face and put some pillows and shit and threw a blanket over it.

01:03:08.000 And the guards, when they would go to check, thought these guys were still in their bed.

01:03:12.000 Meanwhile, they had tunneled a hole through the wall of the cell.

01:03:18.000 1979 film Escape from Alcatraz presented inconclusive conclusions.

01:03:22.000 What does that mean?

01:03:23.000 One of the island's enduring mysteries told the true story of three men, Frank Morris and the brothers Clarence and John Anglin, who made it out of the prison in June of 1962, were never seen again.

01:03:35.000 Nobody knows for sure whether they made good on their escape or drowned in the attempt.

01:03:39.000 True stories like that and others embellished tales of man-eating sharks and killer currents spread by prison guards as a deterrent contributed to the mythology of unassailable Alcatraz and the impossible swim.

01:03:52.000 Well, it's definitely not impossible, because Nick Diaz has done it five fucking times.

01:03:56.000 But people do it all the time now.

01:03:57.000 You know, it's like an endurance thing that people constantly do now.

01:04:01.000 Someone did it 979 times, this guy.

01:04:04.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:04:05.000 He does it monthly.

01:04:06.000 Oh my god, what a fucking psycho.

01:04:09.000 979 times?

01:04:10.000 That is rolling the dice on sharks, bro.

01:04:14.000 And what happens when you, like Alcatraz is still operating?

01:04:21.000 No.

01:04:22.000 Okay.

01:04:22.000 No, it wasn't operating.

01:04:23.000 Oh, it's like a tourist attraction, right?

01:04:25.000 Yeah.

01:04:25.000 When I was a kid, we went to visit it with school.

01:04:28.000 When I lived in San Francisco, they took us to Alcatraz on a field trip.

01:04:32.000 It was pretty cool.

01:04:32.000 You had to be in these prisons where all these people used to get, it's very weird.

01:04:37.000 Why did it shut down?

01:04:39.000 I don't know.

01:04:39.000 It's a good question.

01:04:40.000 Why'd they shut Alcatraz down?

01:04:42.000 Maybe when they figured out people could swim it.

01:04:44.000 That would be a good reason.

01:04:47.000 Yeah, I mean...

01:04:48.000 It's not unassailable.

01:04:50.000 It's gotta take a long time, though.

01:04:52.000 Like, how...

01:04:52.000 A mile and a half in the ocean.

01:04:55.000 How long does that take?

01:04:55.000 Some people think it was because those guys got away, but it was because it was too expensive to continue operating.

01:05:01.000 That makes sense, right?

01:05:02.000 You gotta get all the supplies and out there by boat, by ferry.

01:05:05.000 I don't even think they had that many prisoners there.

01:05:08.000 Hmm.

01:05:09.000 But they had like super dangerous ones there, right?

01:05:12.000 Wasn't that the whole idea?

01:05:12.000 It was all murderers.

01:05:14.000 I think it was like super maximum security for the biggest psychos.

01:05:20.000 They put them on Alcatraz.

01:05:21.000 Yeah, what was that movie?

01:05:22.000 I think Sean Connery movie as well.

01:05:25.000 The Rock, yeah.

01:05:26.000 Yeah, that's about that, right?

01:05:27.000 Yeah.

01:05:27.000 I think.

01:05:28.000 Yeah, I think that was about it too.

01:05:30.000 Yeah, but guys who have extreme cardio, that's a real weapon.

01:05:37.000 Power is important.

01:05:39.000 Well, it's always important.

01:05:41.000 But cardio is one of the most important things because when you get tired, you don't think right.

01:05:48.000 You don't make good decisions.

01:05:50.000 And then you're just not as effective.

01:05:54.000 You're not going to scramble out of positions.

01:05:56.000 You're going to relax a little, try to catch your breath.

01:05:59.000 If you get taken down, you're not going to completely exert.

01:06:03.000 Chuck Liddell said this to me once.

01:06:05.000 He said, when guys get taken down, they accept the takedown.

01:06:08.000 And the thing is, they get taken down, and then they try to work their way back up to their feet.

01:06:12.000 He goes, I never did that.

01:06:13.000 When I got taken down, the moment my back touched the ground, it was like hot lava.

01:06:17.000 And I just exploded immediately.

01:06:19.000 I never let them hold me.

01:06:21.000 And that was the key to never getting taken down and held down.

01:06:26.000 He's a really good wrestler as well, obviously, but the moment someone would take him down, he would never accept it.

01:06:32.000 Some guys accept it, like, fuck, I gotta take it down.

01:06:35.000 Overhook, underhook, control posture, work my full guard, try to bide time where I have enough energy to escape.

01:06:44.000 And figure out, am I going to try to sweep him?

01:06:47.000 Am I going to, you know, am I going to try to pummel and try to get back up to my feet?

01:06:51.000 Am I going to try to scoot back to the cage?

01:06:53.000 Bunch of different strategies to try to get back up.

01:06:55.000 But the thing is, like, when you're tired, you'll accept that takedown.

01:06:59.000 And when you see guys accept the takedown and just pull full guard, like, that guy's fucking tired.

01:07:04.000 It was like the recent Olivera fight.

01:07:06.000 It was tough to watch some of the parts where it was just like, oh, you're on the ground now and you're fucked.

01:07:13.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:07:14.000 Well, that fight was crazy, huh?

01:07:16.000 Yeah.

01:07:17.000 Michael Chandler almost fucking had him in that fifth round.

01:07:20.000 Almost had him.

01:07:21.000 I mean, what a relentless motherfucker that guy is.

01:07:24.000 Yeah.

01:07:24.000 He was getting his ass kicked for four rounds and then finally almost fucks him up.

01:07:29.000 Yeah, yeah, it's crazy when it comes down to like, you know, do or die mode, how many times it almost turns around.

01:07:36.000 Well, it's also crazy that a guy like him, who is pretty heavily muscled, and is just such a fucking training machine, that he has that ultimate gas tank, even in the fifth round, just explode.

01:07:50.000 And like, in the fifth round, he was going hard.

01:07:52.000 Which is why I always thought he was a super dangerous fight for Conor.

01:07:57.000 Yeah, he almost seems like a better cardio like Sean Shirk or something.

01:08:01.000 Right.

01:08:02.000 Well, Sean Shirk was one of the first guys who really did have crazy cardio.

01:08:05.000 Did he?

01:08:06.000 Yeah.

01:08:06.000 I thought he was so...

01:08:07.000 For the time.

01:08:08.000 Okay.

01:08:08.000 He was a fitness fanatic, like a conditioning fanatic, but...

01:08:14.000 There was a few guys, like Rich Franklin was a fitness fanatic too.

01:08:19.000 They dedicated a significant amount of their time just to strength and conditioning, so they had this ultimate gas tank.

01:08:25.000 But with Rich Franklin, the problem was his skill level was never going to compete with Anderson Silva.

01:08:32.000 Anderson Silva was just a god at the time.

01:08:35.000 I mean, in his prime, he was like 34 years old.

01:08:38.000 He was fucking unstoppable.

01:08:40.000 The athleticism differential between everyone and him was obscene.

01:08:45.000 It was skill, too.

01:08:46.000 It's like he had the ability to let punches get right here, and he would just move his head slightly and then bang!

01:08:53.000 Crack you. 0.97

01:08:54.000 All your momentum is coming in, and he would counter you.

01:08:57.000 And he was just so skillful and he was like a computer.

01:09:02.000 He would, the first minute of the round, first fight, like first round of the fight, you would see him moving around and just like trying things on you and just sort of downloading your movements and what you're capable of.

01:09:14.000 He would see you swing, like, okay, I got that.

01:09:16.000 Okay, I'll do a little of this.

01:09:18.000 I'll kick him a couple of times.

01:09:19.000 And then by the end of the round, he's like, okay, motherfucker.

01:09:22.000 And then you'd see him, like, the Yushin Okami fight is a great example of that.

01:09:26.000 By the end of the first round, he head kicks Okami and drops him.

01:09:28.000 He just starts tuning him up.

01:09:30.000 He gets what you can do.

01:09:32.000 He's like, you can't do what I do.

01:09:34.000 And then he just starts turning it on.

01:09:36.000 Yeah, some of those fights back in the day just felt like a ticking time bomb for whoever he was facing.

01:09:41.000 Yep.

01:09:41.000 People forget.

01:09:42.000 The thing about fighters when they fight past their prime is you get these guys like Anderson that fight into their 40s and you remember them from their later fights.

01:09:50.000 You don't remember them when they were unstoppable.

01:09:54.000 Like when Anderson was in his prime, he's one of the greatest fighters that's ever lived.

01:09:58.000 Oh yeah, for sure.

01:10:00.000 Have you seen that UFC interview where they, like, accidentally showed, I think it was like, HGH in the background?

01:10:07.000 Yes!

01:10:08.000 He opened his fridge!

01:10:09.000 What are you eating?

01:10:10.000 Oh, I'm eating growth!

01:10:12.000 He's popped for some dumb shit, too, if I recall correctly.

01:10:16.000 Well, did you ever see his coach?

01:10:18.000 His weightlifting coach?

01:10:20.000 Probably when I was looking into it, but I'm assuming he's yoked out of his fucking mind.

01:10:24.000 The dude was like 65 years old and built like Yoel Romero.

01:10:27.000 Oh my god.

01:10:27.000 See if you can find Anderson Silva's strength and conditioning coach.

01:10:32.000 I mean, there's no way.

01:10:35.000 There's just no way.

01:10:37.000 That guy knows what to take.

01:10:38.000 There's no way.

01:10:40.000 He was in his 60s.

01:10:41.000 Fucking jacked.

01:10:43.000 I mean, just super jacked.

01:10:45.000 Like, that's him.

01:10:46.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:10:47.000 Yeah.

01:10:48.000 Look at Henderson's face.

01:10:50.000 It's a perfect picture.

01:10:54.000 I mean, look at that dude.

01:10:56.000 That dude's in his 60s.

01:10:57.000 Mean mugging.

01:10:58.000 Yeah.

01:11:00.000 Tainted supplements likely cause a failed test, not what's in my fridge.

01:11:05.000 Look at the size of that guy in his 60s.

01:11:08.000 So, obviously, he knows what to take.

01:11:11.000 Yeah.

01:11:11.000 That guy knows some stuff.

01:11:13.000 So, Chandler, you said good match for Conor.

01:11:16.000 Is that ever happening?

01:11:18.000 I don't know if Conor's ever going to fight again.

01:11:19.000 What's happening with his...

01:11:21.000 He just got, like, the civil suit or whatever, and he's being dropped by all his companies or something?

01:11:28.000 Yep.

01:11:29.000 You know, I don't know the real details of that case.

01:11:33.000 I know his version of it and her version of it and what played out in the court.

01:11:38.000 But the reality is that guy's partying.

01:11:41.000 And he's partying real hard.

01:11:43.000 And he talked about it in the court case.

01:11:46.000 You know, he's talking about cocaine.

01:11:47.000 Like, that was the whole thing that we're all doing cocaine and we're fucking.

01:11:51.000 Dude, some of his interviews you can tell he is out of it.

01:11:55.000 Allegedly.

01:11:55.000 He seems at least excited.

01:11:58.000 Dude, have you seen the Jake Gyllenhaal and Conor interview for Roadhouse and he's just fucking tweaking the whole time?

01:12:04.000 He seems like he's tweaking.

01:12:05.000 And Jake's just like, I can't imagine he wasn't thinking, what are you doing, dude?

01:12:10.000 Right, right.

01:12:12.000 You know, it's funny.

01:12:12.000 Shane Gillis has a great bit about Conor McGregor and Roadhouse.

01:12:15.000 He goes, Conor McGregor basically played a coked out Conor McGregor in Roadhouse.

01:12:20.000 That's so accurate.

01:12:21.000 And Shane does like a Connor impression, so it's fucking hilarious.

01:12:25.000 I mean, he likes coke.

01:12:29.000 But I think there's another issue to talk about, and that is that A lot of fighters, when they've sustained a significant amount of damage over the course of their career, and there's no way to not get that, right?

01:12:43.000 We've all seen Conor get beat up and knocked out.

01:12:46.000 We've seen Conor's sparring footage.

01:12:49.000 He spars pro boxers.

01:12:50.000 He's sparring elite fighters.

01:12:52.000 You're getting hit in the head a lot.

01:12:54.000 And a lot of fighters, especially towards the end of their career, turn to drugs.

01:13:00.000 And I think there's probably like a constant state of discomfort that they live in, where their dopamine levels are all fucked up, their cortisol levels are all fucked up, their bodies just...

01:13:12.000 You're not supposed to get punched in the head a thousand times a year.

01:13:16.000 It's just not supposed to happen.

01:13:18.000 And that's the reality of consistent training.

01:13:20.000 So if you think about consistent training, like say you and me are sparring, We meet at the gym three times a week, and we spar three times a week.

01:13:29.000 Let's say we spar five rounds three times a week.

01:13:32.000 Five rounds of five minutes each.

01:13:35.000 You might hit me 15, 20 times a round, and then we're doing that three times a week, and we're doing that over and over and over again.

01:13:45.000 This is a thing people say, oh, you spar light.

01:13:48.000 Sure, sure.

01:13:49.000 Sparring light is important, but Subconcussive trauma to the head is what causes soccer players to get CTE. Now, soccer players are getting CTE from a soccer ball.

01:14:01.000 I've bounced a soccer ball.

01:14:02.000 I played soccer when I was a kid.

01:14:04.000 That doesn't hurt.

01:14:05.000 But that, that thump, that's giving you CTE. People who ride jet skis get CTE. Do you know that?

01:14:13.000 No, I didn't know that.

01:14:14.000 My friend Mark Gordon, who is an expert in traumatic brain injury, and he works at the Wounded Warrior Foundation.

01:14:22.000 I think he works with them.

01:14:23.000 Oh, Angel Warrior Foundation.

01:14:25.000 He works with a lot of veterans that suffer from CTE and uses a lot of hormone replacement to help them because a lot of it is damage to the pituitary gland.

01:14:35.000 Your endocrine system gets fucked up from, you know, breaches, you know, explosions, blown up in IEDs, all those kind of things.

01:14:43.000 Like, those guys are fucked.

01:14:45.000 Like, the inside of their brain is fucked.

01:14:47.000 And there's a bunch of different therapies they apply to that.

01:14:50.000 But the bottom line is that it's not just getting knocked out.

01:14:53.000 It's just getting thumped a lot.

01:14:56.000 Just thumped in training.

01:14:57.000 So if we're sparring, you know, we're friends.

01:14:59.000 If we're sparring, I wouldn't hit you hard.

01:15:02.000 I'd hit you like that.

01:15:03.000 I wouldn't try to kill you.

01:15:05.000 I'd hit you like that.

01:15:05.000 But that over and over again, you're going to get brain damage.

01:15:11.000 Fact.

01:15:12.000 No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

01:15:14.000 You're going to get brain damage.

01:15:16.000 And if you're doing that over the course of a 10, 15 year career, think about all those camps, all those rounds, all those times you sparred.

01:15:26.000 And not just sparred that way, how many collisions?

01:15:29.000 How many times I've been collided with doing jujitsu?

01:15:33.000 You accidentally butt heads, you accidentally take a knee to the head, you accidentally take an elbow to the head.

01:15:38.000 It's constant.

01:15:39.000 So you've got consistent trauma to your fucking dome over and over and over again.

01:15:45.000 And then you get a little bit of coke, a little bit of coke, and you're feeling good again.

01:15:50.000 I bet, you know, you get addicted to it.

01:15:54.000 And the guy obviously likes extreme things, right?

01:15:56.000 Which is why he's such a great fighter.

01:15:58.000 They're wild people.

01:15:59.000 That's why Jon Jones liked cocaine too.

01:16:01.000 They're fucking wild people.

01:16:02.000 They want to fight.

01:16:03.000 You know, they want to fight in a cage for a living.

01:16:06.000 That's how they literally feed themselves, by beating the fuck out of skilled people.

01:16:11.000 Yeah, I can imagine something like the brain cell death that literally occurs could almost result in a perpetual state of you now need drugs to achieve, like baseline even, to feel normal.

01:16:24.000 There's a drug I didn't mention earlier, but it's worth mentioning, you said, what's not being tested for that's useful.

01:16:29.000 In fighters, something called cerebrolysin is used to offset brain damage after fights and not being tested for by WADA yet.

01:16:38.000 How does it work?

01:16:39.000 It's like one of the only sources of active NGF and BDNF that you can actually get an effect out of, seemingly.

01:16:48.000 So, like, brain-derived...

01:16:50.000 I forget what the NF sounds were, but it's something that could be...

01:16:54.000 Basically, grow new brain cells, essentially.

01:16:59.000 Whoa.

01:17:00.000 Yeah.

01:17:00.000 Or offset deterioration as well after fighting.

01:17:03.000 Why would you not let people take that?

01:17:06.000 That seems like that should be standard.

01:17:08.000 That should be given to everybody, like vitamins.

01:17:10.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:17:11.000 It's the pipeline of it getting through a clinical, like getting a clinical application, it's still in experimental phases.

01:17:18.000 So I could see why it hasn't been getting widespread recognition.

01:17:23.000 And for all we know, it's not going to prove to be super effective, but at least anecdotally, from people I know who've used it, highly effective for neurogenesis.

01:17:31.000 Yeah, what about someone who doesn't have brain damage, just wants to get really smart?

01:17:34.000 Yeah, tough call.

01:17:36.000 I think that might work, right?

01:17:38.000 Yeah, a lot of people, even nowadays, are exposing themselves to things that make them stupider, too.

01:17:43.000 So it might even become, you know, an adjunct kind of like preventative therapy.

01:17:48.000 Right.

01:17:48.000 Yeah, sure.

01:17:49.000 And it's like sometimes not even purposefully that you're doing things that make you stupider.

01:17:54.000 It's just like...

01:17:54.000 Like what kind of things would you describe?

01:17:56.000 I don't know.

01:17:56.000 Like if you have kids, you're never getting good sleep.

01:17:59.000 Or you're somebody who's constantly on stimulants, which you could argue is, you know, bad lifestyle or whatever.

01:18:05.000 But, you know, there are certain things that are going to kill brain cells and just aging in general.

01:18:10.000 Have you seen the studies on creatine and performance with sleep deprivation?

01:18:15.000 Very interesting.

01:18:16.000 Another thing that not being tested for, which I don't think it should be, but like creatine at adequate doses, interestingly, for years, we've all been told take your five grams and you're good.

01:18:27.000 But what's often not talked about is the fact that that dosage is not going to be widespread, the optimal one for every single person.

01:18:35.000 You will likely achieve muscle saturation with that dose, but it doesn't mean you're going to get the full suite of benefits depending on your genetics, how much you weigh, muscle mass, metabolism.

01:18:46.000 Right, 5 grams for a 140-pound person versus a 240-pound person.

01:18:49.000 Yeah, so some studies have found increased benefits up to 20 grams a day.

01:18:55.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:18:56.000 Yeah, and if your GI can tolerate it, it could be worth trying to see if you get an effect out of 10 grams and then elevate from there.

01:19:02.000 Do you take it?

01:19:03.000 Oh, yeah.

01:19:04.000 I take it in gummy form.

01:19:05.000 That's hard to get an adequate dose, though.

01:19:07.000 How is that?

01:19:08.000 Well, how many gummies do you need to take to get five?

01:19:10.000 I take six.

01:19:11.000 It says take three.

01:19:12.000 I take six.

01:19:13.000 Well, let's see what the dose is.

01:19:15.000 Go to try create.

01:19:17.000 I take those two.

01:19:18.000 It's 1.5 per gummy, I think.

01:19:21.000 Okay, so I'm taking seven, eight...

01:19:24.000 So some of the most recent studies are in, like, elderly women taking 20 grams.

01:19:28.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:19:29.000 I'll start doing that.

01:19:31.000 Start with, like, 10. See if your GI tolerates it.

01:19:33.000 I have no problem with creatine.

01:19:35.000 I used to think it made my face fat, but I think I was just eating too much pasta.

01:19:38.000 I think one of the problems with gummies is oftentimes they're less likely to meet label claims.

01:19:44.000 Oh, really?

01:19:45.000 I don't know if that's, like, a third-party rigorously tested product or not, but...

01:19:49.000 Interesting.

01:19:49.000 Something to be cautious of.

01:19:50.000 Right.

01:19:51.000 And then there's two types, right?

01:19:52.000 There's creatine monohydrate, and then there's another creatine.

01:19:55.000 What is the other one?

01:19:55.000 There's different formats, but some are like HCL is essentially just bound to HCL instead of monohydrate, which could be more tolerable for somebody who gets GI distress from monohydrate.

01:20:08.000 Thought to be, you know, water solubility and other things, but in general monohydrate is the one that has the most literature supporting it, is tried and true, it's cheaper, easier to access.

01:20:20.000 Isn't there some other stuff, H-something that you take in combination with it?

01:20:25.000 Betaine, HCl, maybe?

01:20:29.000 HMN? What the hell is it?

01:20:30.000 HMB? HMB. Yeah, that's it.

01:20:32.000 What is that?

01:20:33.000 That's, I believe, a metabolite of leucine, which basically stimulates mTOR.

01:20:40.000 So it could be useful for, I think, people who are not getting a sufficient amount of protein in their diet and need something to stimulate mTOR for adequate muscle protein synthesis.

01:20:52.000 So like, I don't know, older people who don't get enough protein, for example.

01:20:56.000 Right.

01:20:56.000 It has shown efficacy.

01:20:57.000 It's just the situations and contextually where it is the most effective is going to be somebody who is not eating enough protein.

01:21:05.000 But it's like how many people are eating enough protein as well.

01:21:08.000 Right.

01:21:08.000 Yeah.

01:21:10.000 Some studies have found that upwards of one gram per pound of body weight per day could be beneficial, and most people aren't getting that.

01:21:19.000 My diet is almost entirely protein.

01:21:21.000 Yeah, my diet is mostly meat.

01:21:23.000 It's pretty fucking hard to get your body weight and protein per day if you're not supplementing with protein, you're just eating meat and like animal-derived sources.

01:21:32.000 And then even harder if you're a vegetarian too.

01:21:34.000 If you're just eating meat and animal-derived sources, it's hard?

01:21:38.000 For, I think, for a lot of people, to get high quality, just, if you're going to eat over, I don't know, a pound and a half to two pounds of meat a day, like, you could hit your needs pretty easily.

01:21:47.000 Oh, I do that easy.

01:21:48.000 Yeah, but that's not, like, a typical person, I would say.

01:21:52.000 That's most, most of my meals are meat.

01:21:54.000 Okay.

01:21:55.000 Like, my breakfast today, I ate, like, a pound of elk.

01:21:58.000 Yeah.

01:21:58.000 That was my breakfast.

01:21:59.000 So what I do is I meal prep for the week on Sunday.

01:22:02.000 So I'll take, out of my freezer, I take a bunch of elk steaks.

01:22:06.000 Hmm.

01:22:07.000 And I put them on the Traeger.

01:22:10.000 I slow cook them at like 265 degrees until I get them to the proper internal temperature.

01:22:15.000 And then I sear them, I cut them up, and then I put them in like a glass container and put them in my refrigerator.

01:22:20.000 And then I pull it out whenever I want to eat.

01:22:22.000 So you have how much meat per day?

01:22:26.000 Multiple pounds.

01:22:27.000 Multiple?

01:22:28.000 Yeah.

01:22:28.000 A cooked weight?

01:22:28.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:22:29.000 Wow.

01:22:30.000 Yeah.

01:22:30.000 I probably eat at least three pounds of meat a day.

01:22:33.000 Hmm.

01:22:33.000 Yeah.

01:22:34.000 You might be getting...

01:22:34.000 I forget how many pounds of meat you need to saturate creatine stores or at least the equivalent of five grams, but you'd probably still benefit from trying supplementing more.

01:22:43.000 Well, I do take those gummies.

01:22:44.000 Like I said, I'd take six of those a day, but maybe I'm going to take...

01:22:47.000 I get the powder, bro.

01:22:48.000 I'm going to take 20 gummies.

01:22:50.000 Let's see what happens.

01:22:51.000 Let's see what happens.

01:22:52.000 Half your calories, gummies, and the rest of the meat.

01:22:55.000 Yeah, let's see what's up.

01:22:56.000 They don't seem to make you—they don't upset my stomach at all.

01:23:00.000 It makes you wonder if there's actually creatine in it then.

01:23:02.000 Wow.

01:23:03.000 I've never had an upset stomach from creatine.

01:23:05.000 Never.

01:23:06.000 I've taken it in the past.

01:23:06.000 But I'm taking it now more consistently than I've ever taken it before.

01:23:10.000 Because with the gummies, it's so easy.

01:23:11.000 I keep it in the gym.

01:23:12.000 I just bust it open.

01:23:14.000 Yeah.

01:23:15.000 Eat some of them.

01:23:16.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:23:16.000 It tastes good too.

01:23:18.000 One of the most slept on supplements for sure.

01:23:21.000 I think it kind of got, I don't know, like not as much attention as it deserves.

01:23:25.000 Maybe more recently it's gotten a bit more hype because of some of the literature around its cognitive effects and whatnot.

01:23:31.000 But it's like super useful for a myriad of things.

01:23:35.000 What is the mechanism for it giving you a cognitive enhancing benefit?

01:23:40.000 I think it's thought to be like local energy production in the brain.

01:23:45.000 So some people genetically or as they age or what have you have deficiencies in the capacity to produce ATP. And if you can like backfill it with like a readily available source of phosphocreatine, then you could basically get it to baseline of where it should be.

01:24:02.000 It makes you wonder, people that are on a vegan diet, what are their creatine levels like?

01:24:08.000 Oh, not good enough, for sure.

01:24:09.000 There's no way, right?

01:24:10.000 No, it's impossible.

01:24:11.000 Even if you're somebody who eats a lot of meat, you might think you're good, but unless you're eating multiple pounds a day, it's unlikely that you've saturated stores.

01:24:21.000 Well, that's like one of the more insidious things about these people that are proselytizers.

01:24:28.000 We're just trying to get people to become vegan.

01:24:30.000 And one of the things that they say is that it'll improve your athletic performance, which is like straight horseshit.

01:24:36.000 I don't know of any elite athlete at the very top of any sport that's a vegan.

01:24:41.000 Do you?

01:24:42.000 No, I know some IFBB pros who are vegan, but they do a lot to optimize their diets that requires like special protein supplements and this and that.

01:24:53.000 And a massive amount of steroids.

01:24:55.000 Yeah, a lot of them are dope too.

01:24:57.000 Yeah, that helps.

01:24:58.000 Yeah, there are definitely successful, like, people who thrive, I think, doing vegan diets, but oftentimes it is more meticulous in the planning needed to, like, actually make it so you can thrive on it, as opposed to, like...

01:25:19.000 You can be stupid and still cover your bases, essentially.

01:25:22.000 Right, right.

01:25:23.000 Yeah.

01:25:23.000 So the difference between one thing is like if someone say, well, a pound of broccoli will equal X amount of steak in terms of the amount of protein, but it's not the same bioavailability.

01:25:36.000 Yeah, like the amino acid composition is not going to be the same, and it might not even stimulate muscle protein synthesis to the capacity that is needed to actually be anabolic.

01:25:46.000 Some vegans, I would assume, might actually benefit from supplementing with essential amino acids on top of their meals just because they're not hitting a leucine threshold.

01:25:57.000 And that's where an HMB also could maybe have use as well.

01:26:02.000 And is creatine, is it sourced in a vegan way?

01:26:06.000 Or is any of it derived from animal sources?

01:26:10.000 That's a good question.

01:26:11.000 I'm not sure.

01:26:12.000 But if you can make testosterone from soy, I think creatine you can probably get.

01:26:17.000 It's pretty crazy what they can synthesize.

01:26:20.000 Oh, dude, yeah.

01:26:21.000 You would never think that's where you get it from, right?

01:26:24.000 Yeah.

01:26:24.000 Well, it just takes so many brilliant people working in so many different capacities to create, like, all the stuff that we have available right now.

01:26:32.000 Yeah, some dude took a fucking yam and was like, hey, these chemicals look similar to these chemicals that we make in our balls.

01:26:40.000 Let's tweak it and let's sell it to people as testosterone. 0.99

01:26:45.000 Yeah, I don't even know.

01:26:46.000 And it works.

01:26:47.000 That's what's nuts.

01:26:48.000 It's super effective.

01:26:50.000 It's very strange that it's also kind of derided, that people look down upon it.

01:26:57.000 Why would you look down upon anything, especially if you're an older person?

01:27:00.000 Why would you look down upon anything that's going to make you feel better?

01:27:03.000 Yeah.

01:27:04.000 No, I think more awareness is coming to it, but also in women for HRT, which is, you could argue, even more of a necessity than, at least with men, a lot can maintain residual...

01:27:18.000 Hormone production to some capacity that could sustain good health long term.

01:27:23.000 But with women, once you hit menopause, you are guaranteed to have a complete cessation of estrogen and progesterone production to where you are guaranteed putting your brain and heart in danger if you don't replace those hormones. 1.00

01:27:37.000 Wow.

01:27:37.000 Yeah.

01:27:37.000 So it's almost like, I don't know, like unwinding some of the shitty information that was put out decades ago on That's the thing for women.

01:27:45.000 There was a lot of shitty information put out about hormone replacement.

01:27:49.000 Yeah, I think it was the Women's Health Initiative.

01:27:51.000 They had some study that showed like a relative risk increase in breast cancer or something to the tune of some negligible, insignificant amount.

01:28:00.000 And they were also using synthetic drugs as opposed to bioidentical.

01:28:05.000 So it'd be like the equivalent of me putting you on DECA and then being like, oh, well, you got cancer, so testosterone sucks.

01:28:13.000 Right.

01:28:13.000 Yeah.

01:28:14.000 Which is fucking ridiculous.

01:28:15.000 Yeah.

01:28:15.000 So they were using like horse piss derived estrogens or something and then like some shady progestin and determining, oh, HRT is bad because of some also relatively insignificant increase in cancer risk, which at least to date in bioidentical hormones we have not seen play out. which at least to date in bioidentical hormones we have And the upside far outweighs the risk seemingly that we can see right now.

01:28:39.000 It's just not really permeated the, I don't know, like masses yet.

01:28:45.000 Well, think about how many fucking people are on testosterone replacement therapy and how few of them you know that have problems.

01:28:51.000 I don't know of anybody that has a problem with it.

01:28:53.000 I know of so many people that have been enhanced by it and they feel so much better.

01:28:56.000 They have so much more energy, more life.

01:28:59.000 Yeah.

01:28:59.000 Yeah, it's super impactful.

01:29:02.000 And for women, too.

01:29:03.000 Like, no more hot flashes while you're sleeping.

01:29:05.000 Your bones aren't going to degrade at the same rates.

01:29:08.000 Like, your brain is not...

01:29:10.000 Like, Alzheimer's rates in women are like 2x that of men.

01:29:13.000 Really?

01:29:14.000 Yeah.

01:29:15.000 It's definitely intertwined with menopause shutting off their hormones.

01:29:19.000 Wow.

01:29:20.000 Yeah.

01:29:21.000 There's so much shit information out there.

01:29:24.000 That's what's fucked.

01:29:25.000 When you hear about studies that like, you know, when the sugar industry funded those studies to demonize saturated fat, because they were trying to say that saturated fat was causing heart attacks and not sugar.

01:29:36.000 When you see about, and I think they only paid them like $50,000 or something crazy.

01:29:42.000 Oh my God.

01:29:43.000 You know that?

01:29:44.000 Well, I didn't know it was 50 grand.

01:29:46.000 I'm pretty sure.

01:29:47.000 I'm pretty sure it's like...

01:29:48.000 That's fucked up, man.

01:29:48.000 ...

01:29:48.000 $50,000.

01:29:49.000 And it ruined everybody.

01:29:51.000 Not that if it was a bigger amount of money, it would be fine, but I mean, it's just shocking how little of us.

01:29:55.000 It would make sense.

01:29:55.000 If they paid them 50 million, you'd be like, well, you know, you're unethical, but hey, if somebody offered me 50 million, who knows what I would do?

01:30:01.000 No.

01:30:02.000 $50,000, and these motherfuckers ruined people for decades and decades. 1.00

01:30:06.000 Some dildo wanted a portion just ruined, like, the fucking food pyramid. 1.00

01:30:10.000 Well, it's like, they've...

01:30:12.000 Here it is.

01:30:13.000 Yep, there it is.

01:30:14.000 50 years ago, sugar industry quietly paid scientists and wound up paying approximately $50,000 in today's dollars for the research.

01:30:20.000 So it's even less than $50,000.

01:30:22.000 So it's $50,000 today.

01:30:25.000 So 50 years ago, that's probably $10,000.

01:30:27.000 Yeah.

01:30:28.000 They paid them $10,000 and these motherfuckers ruined everyone's health. 1.00

01:30:32.000 Yeah.

01:30:33.000 Got people taking margarine.

01:30:35.000 Brittle.

01:30:36.000 Being scared of butter and eggs and meat.

01:30:40.000 Damn, dude.

01:30:41.000 Crazy.

01:30:42.000 Yeah.

01:30:43.000 So your diet is just meat?

01:30:45.000 Yeah, mostly.

01:30:46.000 What about fruit?

01:30:47.000 I eat fruit.

01:30:48.000 Yeah, I love fruit.

01:30:49.000 Because you've been cycling back and forth between...

01:30:51.000 I like fruit before I work out.

01:30:53.000 I like fruit after I work out sometimes.

01:30:56.000 I like fruit, but I very rarely eat vegetables unless I want to.

01:31:00.000 Like if some asparagus and it's looking good, I'll have some asparagus.

01:31:03.000 You know what I mean?

01:31:04.000 Like if I see some Brussels sprouts, I eat it for taste.

01:31:07.000 Sort of like, I think of it like pasta, except not as bad for you.

01:31:10.000 I think of it as like, oh, that would probably taste good.

01:31:12.000 I'd like to eat some of that.

01:31:13.000 I don't think of it as like, this is like nutrition and fuel.

01:31:17.000 So when I eat for nutrition and fuel, it's eggs and steak.

01:31:22.000 That's 90 plus percent of my diet.

01:31:26.000 Have you been following the boxing gold medal debacle?

01:31:32.000 First of all, XY chromosome, case closed.

01:31:36.000 And this is what the Enhanced Game wants to do.

01:31:38.000 So the Enhanced Games, they're developing this...

01:31:42.000 It's an Olympic-style event, and they're spending a lot of money on it.

01:31:45.000 They have a lot of big investors, and they're going to give real prizes, like a million dollars if you win the gold medal, instead of zero, which is what the Olympics gives.

01:31:54.000 And I asked them, I'm like, how are you going to address trans athletes?

01:31:58.000 And they said, we think we're going to do chromosomes.

01:32:01.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:32:02.000 Which is really the only way to do it politically correct.

01:32:04.000 Yeah.

01:32:04.000 You know, you don't say, this is not a woman.

01:32:06.000 You say, what are your chromosomes?

01:32:08.000 Ma'am, what are your chromosomes?

01:32:10.000 XY. Ma'am, you got to be in the XY box.

01:32:13.000 Get over there. 0.77

01:32:14.000 But I identify as a woman.

01:32:17.000 Get over there. 0.77

01:32:18.000 Get over there. 0.77

01:32:19.000 Apparently, they used to do sex testing in the Olympics in the 90s, I believe.

01:32:24.000 They stopped doing it.

01:32:25.000 And then since then, it's been like these weird nuanced scenarios with, oh, is your testosterone-level looking male or whatever?

01:32:32.000 And, you know, it gets nuanced with the type of, like...

01:32:38.000 Disorder you have because some are far more advantageous than others.

01:32:42.000 And if this medical report that was leaked of this boxer is true, it's basically the worst offender of the disorders you could have because it's basically like a 5-alpha reductase deficiency is...

01:32:56.000 Basically just depriving your body of DHT, but if you have internal testes making testosterone, you still have the full functional capacity of a male to build muscle and bone, and all the psychoactive effects and all that.

01:33:08.000 Yeah, lung size, heart size.

01:33:10.000 Now, to be determined, which I think that that athlete should go get the testing to actually disprove it if it was true, or if it wasn't true, but...

01:33:21.000 They would have already done that.

01:33:23.000 Yeah.

01:33:23.000 Where there's smoke, there's fire.

01:33:24.000 You know, I just, I think if too many people are calling you a man, like there's this one case of, uh, there was that runner who...

01:33:31.000 Chastro Samania? 0.94

01:33:32.000 Right.

01:33:33.000 So that's a very different thing.

01:33:34.000 No, that was like potentially the same thing.

01:33:37.000 Really?

01:33:37.000 Yeah, so...

01:33:38.000 XY chromosome? 0.72

01:33:39.000 I had internal testes, XY chromosomes, 5-alpha reductase deficiency, and had the testosterone levels of a male because of the internal testes.

01:33:48.000 And you might grow up thinking that you are female because you haven't had adequate sexual differentiation and maturation from the lack of DHT. So it's almost like the equivalent of putting A kid at birth on like a mega dose of finasteride or dutasteride and wiping out their DHT. So they still grow up with male level muscle development from the testosterone,

01:34:13.000 but not sufficient masculinization to differentiate you and mature you completely from the DHT. Well, let's see what is the latest on this.

01:34:24.000 So let's find out what is the leaked story on this boxer and find out, like, has anybody analyzed this?

01:34:34.000 Is there any, like, conclusion that anybody's drawn?

01:34:36.000 I don't think so.

01:34:37.000 I think it's still, is the leaked report legit or not?

01:34:41.000 There's a story I could find.

01:34:42.000 This is November 6th.

01:34:44.000 Confirms Olympic boxing champion launching legal action over a medical alligator.

01:34:48.000 But this is just about the legal.

01:34:49.000 No, I know.

01:34:50.000 I was looking for any story about it, having updated information.

01:34:53.000 This was the most recent story that was written.

01:34:55.000 And anything else was from October where it was saying that she was not...

01:34:58.000 She's also saddened by the abuse she has received.

01:35:01.000 Do you think they'll go back and edit this if it turns out she's a man?

01:35:03.000 He's saddened by the abuse that he's received.

01:35:06.000 It was about the claims that they were stripped of their title or their gold medal.

01:35:11.000 Oh, well, that's not true.

01:35:12.000 No, they haven't been stripped.

01:35:13.000 So if they're suing over that, they can actually win that lawsuit.

01:35:16.000 No, but they're suing over something in the French media because they've gotten...

01:35:20.000 And I feel like the Olympic Committee probably has to lean into the whole politically correct angle of it, too, to not get the scrutiny of you let this person punch women in the head.

01:35:31.000 Of course, of course.

01:35:33.000 Yeah, she'd never felt a punch like this.

01:35:36.000 Eh, so what?

01:35:37.000 Of all sports, too.

01:35:38.000 Yeah.

01:35:39.000 Fucking fighting people.

01:35:40.000 Yeah.

01:35:41.000 It's pretty crazy.

01:35:42.000 So what is the leaked report, Jamie?

01:35:44.000 Find out what the leaked report on this person is.

01:35:48.000 That's what this has to do with, I think.

01:35:50.000 I understand what it has to do with it, but find out what the actual leaked report is.

01:35:53.000 Like, what is the leaked report?

01:35:57.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:35:58.000 I think it was the basically assessment of...

01:36:02.000 Internal testicles.

01:36:03.000 Yeah.

01:36:04.000 Okay, French journalists.

01:36:05.000 But there's been multiple studies or multiple articles written saying that this person has XY chromosomes.

01:36:13.000 That was a supposed failed gender eligibility test from some organization that...

01:36:19.000 Yeah, International Boxing Association did not allow her to participate in 2023 World Championships after she failed gender eligibility tests.

01:36:27.000 But the International Olympic Committee did authorize her presence at Paris 2024. But here's the thing, like, is this...

01:36:35.000 When they say the International Olympic Committee did authorize, what are they...

01:36:39.000 By what?

01:36:40.000 Yeah, this is the crazy thing is apparently their criteria was that you are female on your passport.

01:36:46.000 Oh.

01:36:47.000 But it's like, you know, if you look female at birth, you easily could if you have this disorder.

01:36:54.000 Didn't Dylan Mulvaney change their passport to a female? 0.87

01:36:57.000 Oh, probably.

01:36:58.000 Did they?

01:36:59.000 Find out, can you change your passport to female if you're transgender?

01:37:03.000 I think you can.

01:37:06.000 I don't know if Dylan Mulvaney did it.

01:37:08.000 That's so low barrier, too.

01:37:09.000 You just have a fucking ID piece that says you're female, therefore we're gonna ignore testes. 1.00

01:37:15.000 Like, what the fuck?

01:37:17.000 The whole thing is so crazy.

01:37:19.000 This is one of the weirder aspects, and the reason why people harp on it so much, why is everybody so obsessed with trans? 1.00

01:37:25.000 This is why.

01:37:26.000 Because it's bizarre.

01:37:27.000 No medical documentation.

01:37:28.000 You do not need to provide medical documentation to change your gender marker.

01:37:32.000 So this is for on US passport.

01:37:35.000 You can select M for male, F for female, or X for unspecified or another gender identity.

01:37:42.000 So you can have X on your passport.

01:37:44.000 I think I'm going to get that.

01:37:45.000 So no medical documentary.

01:37:47.000 So I could be a female.

01:37:48.000 I could just say I'm a female, show up with a full beard.

01:37:51.000 Genetic marker you select doesn't need to match your gender on your citizenship evidence or photo ID. So the reason why this works is I don't know what's going on inside you.

01:38:02.000 I don't know how you feel.

01:38:03.000 I could be arrogant and completely Not compassionate and I could just decide that you're just full of shit.

01:38:14.000 You're a guy or you could be in agony Going through life feeling like a woman and not understanding why you have a dick I think there's that too, but like I talked about in my comedy special Perverts disappeared like the flu during COVID. Like they don't exist anymore.

01:38:34.000 Like a guy in a dress who gets a hard-on going into the women's room is a woman now. 0.92

01:38:40.000 They used to be psychos.

01:38:42.000 It used to be like Norman Bates in the movie Psycho.

01:38:45.000 Dress up like his mom.

01:38:46.000 Silence of the Lambs.

01:38:47.000 Puts the lotion in the basket.

01:38:49.000 If you wanted to make someone in a movie scarier, you put them in a dress.

01:38:54.000 You took a psycho killer, you made him dress like a woman, like, oh, this guy's fucking crazy.

01:38:58.000 And then somewhere, we just decided that doesn't exist anymore.

01:39:02.000 And so there's no perverts.

01:39:04.000 And so anyone who just says they're a woman gets to go in the women's room, go in the women's locker, play in women's sports, and you're completely ignoring this subset of society that has always been fucking terrifying to people.

01:39:18.000 Creepy guys who dress up like women, who pretend to be women, are just perverts.

01:39:23.000 They just want to sneak around women's room and smell their shit. 1.00

01:39:26.000 There's people that are out of their mind, and you've given them a hall pass.

01:39:30.000 Yeah.

01:39:30.000 Yeah, like, I could empathize with somebody who didn't know and then became aware of it, and then once they became aware of it, they stopped competing.

01:39:41.000 It would suck for everyone involved, obviously, but, like, I could understand, like, how shitty of a predicament that is.

01:39:48.000 Yes.

01:39:49.000 But it's like the onus is on you once you've been assessed to not compete anymore.

01:39:54.000 Right.

01:39:54.000 And to like confirm what the fuck is going on.

01:39:57.000 Yeah, go fight guys.

01:39:58.000 Yeah.

01:39:59.000 And it's like even if you're at a disadvantage, like, well, it doesn't mean you fight girls at your advantage.

01:40:04.000 Exactly.

01:40:05.000 Yeah.

01:40:05.000 If you're a disadvantage fighting guys, you probably shouldn't be fighting.

01:40:08.000 Yeah, like how many girls are transitioning and then fighting men or competing against men? 1.00

01:40:13.000 Zero?

01:40:14.000 Well, also, here's the other argument.

01:40:16.000 There is a spectrum, right?

01:40:17.000 So there are guys with naturally lower testosterone that are guys like, say, Yoel Romero.

01:40:22.000 Yoel Romero has an advantage over almost everybody.

01:40:25.000 You know, when it comes to like genetics, he's just like a fucking specimen from God, right?

01:40:30.000 So you have that, which is the rarest of rare, right?

01:40:33.000 And then you have a guy like, you know, fill in the blank.

01:40:37.000 There's like a bunch of fighters in the UFC. I don't want to disparage anybody.

01:40:39.000 But there's a bunch of guys, you look at them, you're like, that's not a specimen.

01:40:42.000 But super tough, super technical, works real hard, very intelligent in their approach, and they manage to fight really well.

01:40:49.000 But if they go up against a guy who's a freak, just a physical freak, and that guy works just as hard, and is just as intelligent, and just as methodical in their training, they're gonna have an advantage.

01:41:00.000 Just a natural, God-given advantage.

01:41:02.000 Just the universe has kissed them with genetics.

01:41:05.000 And those people exist, man.

01:41:07.000 And so you can't say, well, then that guy should be able to fight women now, because he can't beat Yoel Romero.

01:41:12.000 Like, that's stupid.

01:41:13.000 That's fucking stupid.

01:41:14.000 And it's also, you're not protecting women.

01:41:17.000 I thought that the left was all about protecting women.

01:41:21.000 This is the whole thing about progressives.

01:41:23.000 Protect people that are not as safe.

01:41:26.000 I don't generally worry about women raping me. 0.99

01:41:30.000 Never.

01:41:31.000 Never in my life.

01:41:32.000 Have I been in a bar and go, boy, I hope some woman doesn't try to rape me. 1.00

01:41:36.000 I hope some woman doesn't try to root for me and get my dick hard. 1.00

01:41:39.000 No one ever thinks that way.

01:41:41.000 But women walk through life worrying about getting roofied or getting raped or getting dragged into an alleyway. 1.00

01:41:48.000 They worry about that.

01:41:49.000 Guys don't worry about that.

01:41:51.000 It's just a completely different dynamic.

01:41:54.000 So, when you're comparing, like, trans this and trans that, like, there's not a guy I've ever talked to in my life that doesn't, that is even remotely concerned with a trans man going into the men's room.

01:42:13.000 Yeah.

01:42:13.000 I don't give a fuck!

01:42:15.000 If, like, what's that person that was, Chaz Bono.

01:42:19.000 Chaz Bono.

01:42:20.000 Sonny Bono's daughter that became a man.

01:42:23.000 Mm-hmm.

01:42:24.000 Chaz can come into the men's room.

01:42:25.000 I don't give a fuck.

01:42:26.000 It doesn't even freak me out at all.

01:42:28.000 If Chaz is in the men's room and I have a two-year-old son with me that I have to take into the bathroom and go to the bathroom, I'm not worried about Chaz Bono.

01:42:36.000 But I am worried about a pervert.

01:42:39.000 If I was a guy and I had a daughter and she was like 10 years old and she went into the women's room and then I saw a man with a fucking 5 o'clock shadow and a wig on go into the bathroom behind her and I couldn't go in the women's room and see what's going on. 0.93

01:42:56.000 I go, I don't know.

01:42:57.000 That might just be a really kind person who identifies as a woman and happens to have a beard, or it could be a complete fucking psycho, which are real things.

01:43:05.000 And by being this compassionate person, I'm supposed to ignore the reality of psychos.

01:43:12.000 That's crazy!

01:43:14.000 This is where it becomes like a cult.

01:43:17.000 This is where it becomes like you're indoctrinated into this very rigid ideology that you can't stray from at all.

01:43:23.000 And if you do, you're cast out of the kingdom forever.

01:43:27.000 You're a heretic.

01:43:29.000 You're a terrible person.

01:43:30.000 Yeah, fucked up, man.

01:43:32.000 I don't really know.

01:43:35.000 Even the scrutiny on it, I don't really know how they don't acknowledge how absurd it is.

01:43:42.000 When you watch people defend it, they have to do mental gymnastics.

01:43:46.000 Yeah.

01:43:47.000 Do you ever see that conversation that I had with Adam Conover about it?

01:43:51.000 No.

01:43:51.000 Oh!

01:43:53.000 Oh, it was one of the most brutal conversations of all time.

01:43:56.000 It's about trans women in sports.

01:43:58.000 Oh, so this was like a debate.

01:43:59.000 Well, it didn't turn out to be.

01:44:01.000 It wasn't planned out.

01:44:02.000 It just came about because he was doing, you know, we were talking about it and it got to the subject of trans women competing and his position was like, I'm in favor of a sport that's more inclusive.

01:44:14.000 So if that makes it more inclusive for trans women and He was like, in favor of hormone blockers for children that they've always known that they're a woman.

01:44:22.000 Like, what the fuck?

01:44:22.000 You don't have any kids.

01:44:24.000 You don't know what kids are like.

01:44:25.000 You can tell your kid that they're a werewolf.

01:44:26.000 Like, stay, keep away from the full moon.

01:44:28.000 You're a werewolf.

01:44:29.000 Oh, I always knew.

01:44:30.000 Like, they're kids!

01:44:32.000 Their brain's not formed.

01:44:34.000 And also, they want to please you.

01:44:35.000 And if you're a...

01:44:36.000 How many fucking Hollywood psychos have trans kids? 1.00

01:44:40.000 How many people were they fly the flag of inclusivity and they're a proud progressive and I'm proud that I have a queer child?

01:44:52.000 How much of that is your influence?

01:44:54.000 Is it zero percent?

01:44:56.000 Because I bet it's not.

01:44:57.000 I bet there's some sort of reinforcement of that.

01:45:00.000 It's just like the numbers are so extraordinary.

01:45:04.000 When you have parents that have three trans kids, you're like, what?

01:45:07.000 Three?

01:45:08.000 What are the odds of that?

01:45:10.000 And you're nuts?

01:45:11.000 You're a nutty actress and you have three trans kids? 1.00

01:45:15.000 What's going on here?

01:45:17.000 And you're not allowed to say it.

01:45:18.000 If you say anything, you say, oh, this person who's clearly mentally ill might actually be mentally ill and might actually have Munchausen syndrome.

01:45:26.000 They might be doing something terrible to their child because they're just fucking nuts and they want a trans kid so they could fly it as a... 0.99

01:45:33.000 They could put their pride flag on their fucking front door and they feel like a better person.

01:45:36.000 There are people like that.

01:45:38.000 And then there are also people that are just compassionate people that want people to be free and do whatever you want.

01:45:42.000 They want you to have complete freedom to...

01:45:45.000 Expressors.

01:45:45.000 I don't care if a guy wears a dress.

01:45:46.000 Wear a dress, man.

01:45:47.000 If that's what you like, I don't care.

01:45:49.000 You want to paint your nails, want to have lipstick on.

01:45:51.000 I don't give a fuck.

01:45:52.000 Have a good time.

01:45:52.000 I want you to be happy.

01:45:53.000 I'll be your friend.

01:45:54.000 Just don't try to compete against women in sports. 1.00

01:45:57.000 That's fucking nuts.

01:45:58.000 And don't try to make women uncomfortable by walking with your dick out in the women's locker room. 0.56

01:46:05.000 How about the guy in Canada that's 50 years old that identifies as a teenage girl and was competing in, like, young girls swimming?

01:46:13.000 And they allowed him?

01:46:14.000 Because Canada, like, you know, you live there off the rails.

01:46:18.000 You live in a communist shithole.

01:46:20.000 That place is nuts.

01:46:21.000 And they allow some of the most bananas trans stuff of all time. 1.00

01:46:26.000 On taxpayer money in Canada, they paid for a guy to develop breast milk.

01:46:32.000 Do you know about this story?

01:46:33.000 No.

01:46:34.000 Oh, yeah.

01:46:35.000 Has an adopted child paid for this person to lactate.

01:46:40.000 Imagine the toxic milk that's coming out of this man tit.

01:46:43.000 Oh, horrendous.

01:46:44.000 Like, what is in there?

01:46:46.000 Like, what are you generating?

01:46:48.000 You don't even have the glands for it.

01:46:50.000 Like, what's actually being secreted there?

01:46:52.000 What is that?

01:46:54.000 Yeah.

01:46:54.000 It's like, if you asked me, would it be good milk quality from some guy on Tren or Deca and he's just fucking secreting shit out of his nipples, I'd be like, fuck no, dude.

01:47:04.000 Fuck no.

01:47:05.000 Yeah.

01:47:05.000 Like, what is happening?

01:47:07.000 What is in that milk?

01:47:08.000 And what is that going to do to the baby that's sucking on it? 0.80

01:47:11.000 Ugh.

01:47:11.000 And all in the name of inclusivity.

01:47:13.000 All in the name of being a kind, compassionate, open-minded person.

01:47:17.000 That's not open-minded.

01:47:18.000 That's nuts.

01:47:19.000 And it's cowardly.

01:47:20.000 Because you're afraid to say what you know to be true because you don't want to suffer the repercussions.

01:47:25.000 You don't want to be called a transphobe, whatever the fuck that means.

01:47:28.000 You don't want to be called a bigot.

01:47:29.000 You don't want to be called any of these things.

01:47:31.000 So you'll go along with some of the most preposterous ideas, including pretending that perverts don't exist.

01:47:38.000 Yeah, I hope, I don't know if Pierre is going to get into winning the election and get Trudeau out, but seems like a reasonable guy.

01:47:48.000 Well, he seems way more reasonable than Trudeau, who seems completely insane.

01:47:53.000 Yeah, and like, candidly, I'm not like a political expert by any fucking means at all, so don't take anything I'm saying seriously.

01:47:59.000 Apparently, last time I was here, people thought I was like, by not saying anything about it, I was like endorsing Trudeau or something.

01:48:06.000 By not saying anything about it?

01:48:07.000 I don't know.

01:48:08.000 There was like comments about how...

01:48:10.000 Derek knows better.

01:48:12.000 He knows who this PR guy is.

01:48:13.000 I'm like, no, I just don't follow this shit like I should probably.

01:48:16.000 But yeah, he seems reasonable.

01:48:19.000 And in contrast to Trudeau, who's like a fucking gong show.

01:48:23.000 Full-on lunatic, who's completely changed his tune on so many different things, including going after guns, what they did with the trucker strike.

01:48:32.000 Yeah, like the debanking thing you guys talked about recently, it's like not new news in Canada.

01:48:37.000 I know.

01:48:38.000 Well, they did it to people who donated to the trucker convoy, which is really crazy.

01:48:43.000 So you just say, hey, these people shouldn't be mandated to get a vaccine that has a safety profile that's really like, we don't really know yet.

01:48:52.000 There's no long-term studies.

01:48:53.000 We don't really know what's going to happen.

01:48:54.000 And you're just like mandating this?

01:48:56.000 Yeah.

01:48:57.000 Why?

01:48:58.000 Why?

01:48:58.000 I don't have to do it.

01:48:59.000 Why are you making me do it?

01:49:00.000 It turned out you really didn't have to do it.

01:49:02.000 So this is what's turned out now.

01:49:05.000 Here, I'll send it to you, Jamie.

01:49:08.000 So they released a study recently where the actual government went and looked over...

01:49:15.000 Here, I'll send you this.

01:49:16.000 So they went and looked over what the actual results were from the pandemic and the findings are...

01:49:24.000 They're, you know, not that shocking to anybody who was actually paying attention, but completely contrary to what the instructions were when we were young, or when, you know, COVID was recent, rather.

01:49:36.000 So COVID-19, this is the House released a 500-page report on COVID-19 pandemic.

01:49:42.000 Key findings, COVID-19 likely originated from a lab-related incident in Wuhan, China.

01:49:47.000 Crazy.

01:49:47.000 You get banned from YouTube for saying that.

01:49:50.000 Banned.

01:49:51.000 Okay, over $200 billion in relief funds lost to fraud, with criminals exploiting weak oversight, prolonged lockdowns and arbitrary mandates cause severe harm, economic devastation, mental health crises, and historic learning loss.

01:50:08.000 While lacking robust scientific support, policies ignored natural immunity pushing mandates that eroded trust and harmed public perception of science.

01:50:18.000 Absolutely.

01:50:19.000 WHO and CDC compromised by political interference offering inconsistent unscientific guidance that fueled public distrust and the key players included federal agencies and Cuomo's administration actively obstructed oversight efforts and hid critical evidence.

01:50:38.000 Christ.

01:50:39.000 Select subcommittee on coronavirus pandemic basically said all the conspiracy theorists were correct.

01:50:45.000 Every single one of them.

01:50:46.000 No repercussions.

01:50:48.000 No retractions.

01:50:49.000 No apology from Rachel Maddow.

01:50:51.000 None of it.

01:50:53.000 Yeah, man.

01:50:55.000 In Canada, the lockdowns were pretty absurd.

01:50:58.000 I know here, it depended on the state and whatever, but Canada was like, get your vaccines or you're not leaving to go anywhere, basically.

01:51:06.000 Yeah.

01:51:07.000 Crazy.

01:51:08.000 Fucked up.

01:51:08.000 Did you have to take it?

01:51:09.000 Yeah, dude.

01:51:10.000 Fucking sucked.

01:51:11.000 Did you have a side effect?

01:51:12.000 No.

01:51:13.000 Well, at least that I could tell.

01:51:15.000 Did you ever do a D-dimer test?

01:51:17.000 Yeah, it's normal.

01:51:18.000 Oh, that's good.

01:51:19.000 Well, from what I understand, I talked to a friend of mine who's very knowledgeable in this, and he said that one of the real problems was the lack of aspiration, that they didn't aspirate when they injected people.

01:51:30.000 Even when they did Biden on television, they just jammed that thing into his arm and shot it in there.

01:51:34.000 So is it supposed to stay like local or something?

01:51:38.000 The idea about it was it's supposed to stay local, right?

01:51:41.000 It's supposed to stay local.

01:51:42.000 But apparently there's been – if you talk to Brett Weinstein, a bunch of other people, there's a lot of debate as to whether or not it is ever local, that they've been able to find the evidence of the spike protein all throughout the body.

01:51:53.000 The issue though was if you didn't aspirate and you went right into a blood vessel – So that could be the cause of myocarditis, all these different neurological conditions, all these different things.

01:52:06.000 So the lipid nanoparticles and this vaccine gets in your system, your body reacts to it like it's being attacked, right?

01:52:15.000 Well, if it gets to the heart, your heart doesn't heal, right?

01:52:19.000 Which is why your heart doesn't get cancer.

01:52:21.000 Your heart scars.

01:52:22.000 Like your liver heals.

01:52:24.000 Your liver regenerates.

01:52:24.000 You could lose half your liver.

01:52:26.000 You know, you could donate half your liver to someone and it'll grow back in weeks.

01:52:30.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:52:30.000 The liver's resilient.

01:52:31.000 It's nuts.

01:52:32.000 But your heart's not like that.

01:52:34.000 So the heart scars over and it leads to enlargement of the heart, myocarditis, pericarditis.

01:52:39.000 So this is the thought.

01:52:41.000 This is what my friend told me, who's a very intelligent person, I want to name him.

01:52:45.000 But he said that the real issue is that they didn't aspirate.

01:52:49.000 And a significant number of people that are experiencing these long-term issues from the vaccine, it's because it went right into their bloodstream when it was supposed to be intramuscular.

01:52:58.000 There is several times now, because especially if you're on TRT, you're probably more understanding of how to inject yourself almost than somebody who's like a random pharmacist that just jamming people as fast as they want every single day just as part of their gig.

01:53:15.000 And you're kind of risking it if you just let somebody else pin you.

01:53:18.000 Like sometimes you feel like being like, hey, can I do this?

01:53:22.000 Right, right.

01:53:24.000 But even then, if you jam it into your arm, it's possible that you could hit a blood vessel.

01:53:28.000 Yeah, have you ever heard of Trenkov?

01:53:30.000 I have.

01:53:31.000 What is that?

01:53:31.000 Yeah, so it's thought to be that if you get into, like you nick a vein or something, or you hit a blood vessel, for example, and you get some of it bleeding immediately into systemic circulation rather than being intramuscular entirely, It goes very quickly up to your lungs and you basically have a coughing fit get induced by your body trying to like expel whatever is there.

01:53:56.000 And so like I could absolutely see something that wasn't meant to go immediately into systemic circulation being more problematic.

01:54:04.000 Like with Trend Cough, I've experienced it personally back in the day.

01:54:07.000 This is like one of the most sobering things about bodybuilding is if you get Trenkhoff, it's like the most pathetic scenario you'll ever find yourself in because you're just this muscle-bound dude who just injected yourself with like cattle steroids and you're just looking at yourself in the mirror, hacking up a lung, sweating your fucking face off like, what am I doing with my life?

01:54:27.000 Ah!

01:54:27.000 And you can't get around it other than just like cough a lung for three minutes.

01:54:32.000 It takes three minutes for it to go away?

01:54:33.000 It depends, but like how much you have and all this, a bunch of stuff.

01:54:38.000 But yeah, it's like basically if it happens, you can feel it coming on.

01:54:41.000 You just like fucking brace yourself on the sink and you get ready to hack up a lung for a few minutes.

01:54:45.000 Jesus, and is it a consistent thing or is it a one-time thing, like right after injection or is it something that recurs?

01:54:51.000 It's after injection, but it's like, you know, who knows what that does once you get like solvents and fucking, you know, like whatever else is in your compound, in your solution into systemic circulation immediately.

01:55:03.000 Like, I don't know.

01:55:04.000 What is, Tren is something that the craziest of people that I know have taken, including like jujitsu guys that really want to get super jacked.

01:55:12.000 They take Tren.

01:55:13.000 And I'm like, what is it about the trend?

01:55:15.000 And they apparently get ultra-violent when they're on trend.

01:55:18.000 Yeah, so it's a unique compound that...

01:55:22.000 Is it called trend balloon?

01:55:24.000 Is that what it's called?

01:55:24.000 Yeah, and it used to be used in, for like, I forget what the clinical application was, but it was a pharmaceutical-approved steroid back in the 80s, and then was, you know, basically taken off the market similar to around the same time that, interestingly enough, Biden was the one who spearheaded getting, like, steroids scheduled, essentially.

01:55:46.000 Biden did?

01:55:47.000 Yeah.

01:55:48.000 He was, like, at the forefront of pushing for the banning of them or scheduling them.

01:55:52.000 If I don't have muscles, nobody has muscles.

01:55:54.000 Yeah, and that's like he's blamed often by the bodybuilding community for the lack of refinements and anabolic steroids because now we're stuck with the same drugs we've been using since like the 80s.

01:56:03.000 Wow.

01:56:04.000 So like every drug category has had significant refinements over the years to make them more effective, less side effect ridden, etc.

01:56:12.000 Like GLP-1 medications, for example, highly effective and constantly being like lightning through pipelines to create really, really refined ones that are less problematic.

01:56:23.000 And with steroids, that was being done in the 80s.

01:56:27.000 And then once there was, you know, the Ben Johnson debacle, I believe it was, that brought all this, you know, public outcry out.

01:56:35.000 Another proud Canadian.

01:56:36.000 Yeah, and getting positive for Winstroll, I think, and people were like, is this just going to become like a fucking...

01:56:44.000 Like, chemical warfare, essentially, in the Olympics, and whoever's doped the most is going to win, and people are freaking out, and the response was Biden getting it, including testosterone, scheduled.

01:56:55.000 Wow.

01:56:55.000 Yeah, and then there was this huge stigma developed around them, and the taboo of being on steroids was developed, and that's kind of what led to this probably slowing down progress decades and likely preventing people from getting steroids developed that were far less likely to kill them.

01:57:12.000 Yeah.

01:57:13.000 So we could have like a really refined, highly effective compounds by now that don't make your heart explode if they just continue probably.

01:57:23.000 Well, I know that one state, I think it was Oregon, essentially decriminalized everything.

01:57:29.000 I think they've taken that back now because I think it was like, Oregon's a disaster anyway, Portland in particular.

01:57:35.000 Like you go there, it's just...

01:57:37.000 Needles and drug addicts and it's like open-air drug marts everywhere because all the homelessness and the camping on the street the tent situation there is fucking nuts and they're super tolerant progressive people so like overwhelmingly right so they just look at it like in terms of compassion for these people we need to fund them and you're basically giving them money to stay homeless it's really nuts So when a society like that decriminalizes everything, we're just going to have fucking...

01:58:05.000 People are going to go haywire with meth and whatever else they want to get.

01:58:10.000 But they also did it with steroids. 0.99

01:58:12.000 They did it with everything.

01:58:12.000 They essentially decriminalized all drugs.

01:58:15.000 But I think they took...

01:58:17.000 Did they take that back, Jamie?

01:58:18.000 I would be curious, even if it was decriminalized, though, what the access would be like, because it's still going to be contingent on compounding pharmacies being able to make stuff legally, which...

01:58:28.000 From what I understand, it's actually getting worse scrutiny as opposed to it getting better.

01:58:34.000 Well, they're scrutinizing peptides now, which is really crazy.

01:58:38.000 Oregon law rolling back drug decriminalization takes effect making possession a crime again.

01:58:44.000 So is it of all things?

01:58:45.000 Did they just change the law totally?

01:58:48.000 So the Democratic-controlled legislature passed the recriminalization law in March, overhauling a measure approved by 58% of voters in 2020 that made possessing illicit drugs like heroin punishable by a ticket and a maximum $100 fine.

01:59:02.000 The measure directed hundreds of millions of dollars in cannabis tax revenue towards addiction services, but the money was slow to get out the door at a time when the fentanyl crisis was causing a spike in deadly overdoses in health officials.

01:59:14.000 Grappling with the COVID-19 pandemic, we're struggling to stand up the new treatment system state auditors found.

01:59:21.000 Okay, so they just couldn't keep up with what was...

01:59:24.000 They didn't follow through with the whole idea of these addiction centers and rehabilitation centers.

01:59:33.000 Yeah, and like some of this stuff is like...

01:59:37.000 I don't even know how much it would help being able to possess something when you can't even get it prescribed to begin with.

01:59:43.000 Right, you can't manufacture it.

01:59:45.000 If you're allowed to get cocaine, if you're allowed to possess cocaine, are you buying fentanyl-laced cocaine from the cartel?

01:59:51.000 Yeah, like in Canada, I'm pretty sure it's not a crime to possess steroids, but to sell it and distribute it, it is a crime, and there's still no pharmacies that are making pharmaceutical-grade steroids that aren't testosterone.

02:00:06.000 Could a pharmacy make it and give it away?

02:00:09.000 Have you had some Elon Musk type fucking crazy person?

02:00:12.000 I don't think so.

02:00:13.000 Probably not, man.

02:00:14.000 Right, so if it's decriminalized and you're allowed to possess it, are you allowed to make it?

02:00:19.000 No, I think just, like, the process of distributing.

02:00:23.000 I don't even know.

02:00:24.000 But I know, like, Oxandrolin, for example, Anivar, was recently, like, banned entirely.

02:00:28.000 And it's been allowed to be prescribed for certain, like, hyper-specific niche purposes for decades.

02:00:36.000 It's been around since the 80s.

02:00:37.000 And it's banned in America as well?

02:00:39.000 Yeah, like, recently it was added to, like, it was basically de-approved.

02:00:45.000 But why?

02:00:46.000 Good question.

02:00:47.000 But you can still get the COVID-19 vaccine?

02:00:49.000 Yeah, easily.

02:00:50.000 They'll still tell you to get it.

02:00:51.000 Yeah.

02:00:52.000 Try to give it to kids.

02:00:54.000 Yeah.

02:00:57.000 It's crazy because how many people are dying from Anovar?

02:01:00.000 Not many.

02:01:01.000 Yeah.

02:01:02.000 Like, what's the numbers?

02:01:03.000 It's like, what is it, like, Brazil nut deaths?

02:01:06.000 You know what I mean?

02:01:07.000 It's definitely not the safe drug, but I mean, like, it's, you know, when it's used appropriately, it can be fine.

02:01:14.000 Right.

02:01:14.000 Yeah.

02:01:14.000 But there's not a crisis.

02:01:16.000 No, no, yeah.

02:01:17.000 Yeah, that's the thing.

02:01:17.000 It's like, why are you passing laws when there's not an issue?

02:01:21.000 Yeah, I don't know what the effect of RFK will be, but it sounds like he might be able to influence things now in a positive direction to that stuff.

02:01:30.000 He looks a little saucy.

02:01:31.000 Oh, for sure.

02:01:32.000 He's 70. I think he admitted that he's on TRT. Clearly.

02:01:37.000 I mean, you would have to be the craziest genetic freak of all time to carry that kind of muscle mass at 70 naturally.

02:01:43.000 Yeah.

02:01:43.000 Yeah, so that's good, and he also is open to the idea of changing the classification of psychedelics as well, which I think is going to be really important to people.

02:01:55.000 There's a lot of things that morons are preventing society from using, and that's really all it is.

02:02:00.000 People who are ignorant to the effects, they're ignorant to all of it, and they're compromised generally by pharmaceutical drug companies.

02:02:08.000 Yeah, I definitely think psychedelics have utility.

02:02:10.000 One thing I do see that freaks me out, though, is people permanently changing their brain chemistry with, like, heavy ayahuasca exposure or whatever.

02:02:19.000 Oh, yeah.

02:02:20.000 Like, have you seen, uh...

02:02:22.000 I've seen multiple cases of this on social media, as well as in real life, people have gone, like, retreats, and then come back unrecognizable in their demeanor and how they behave.

02:02:30.000 And not in a good way.

02:02:31.000 Right.

02:02:31.000 Like, weirdos.

02:02:33.000 Oh, yeah.

02:02:33.000 I know a few.

02:02:34.000 Yeah.

02:02:35.000 Like, have you seen, uh, Liver King recently?

02:02:37.000 No, what's going on?

02:02:38.000 He seems like, I don't know, like borderline schizophrenic now.

02:02:42.000 Okay, but is that also, I think he was mentally ill, right?

02:02:46.000 Maybe.

02:02:47.000 I would have, listen, let me just classify my definition of mentally illness to someone who lies.

02:02:53.000 I think it's a mental illness.

02:02:54.000 Okay.

02:02:55.000 I think lying, when it's really obvious.

02:02:57.000 Yeah.

02:02:58.000 Like, you know, if I try to tell people I'm six foot three, that's an obvious lie.

02:03:01.000 If I say that over and over again until somebody comes up with a ruler, That's crazy.

02:03:05.000 You have to be a crazy person.

02:03:06.000 That's a mental illness.

02:03:07.000 If you lie and say you're black and you're actually white, and you work for the NAACP, like the Rachel Dolezal lady, kind of mentally ill, right? 0.55

02:03:16.000 Yeah.

02:03:16.000 That's a mental ill.

02:03:17.000 There's something wrong.

02:03:18.000 You're not thinking clear.

02:03:20.000 And you're doing a thing that we generally universally say is a bad thing, which is lying, right?

02:03:26.000 So if you're doing that, you're lying about taking steroids when it's super obvious you're on steroids.

02:03:31.000 You're 46 years old.

02:03:32.000 You look like a fucking superhero.

02:03:34.000 You're right.

02:03:34.000 Just super jacked, you know, and then gets caught.

02:03:38.000 Okay, so now he has to come out and say that he's now imagine You've never been famous and then all of a sudden you are really really famous really quickly over the course of a few years like social media all over tick-tock your Profile is elevated the point where you could say to the regular person street, you know who liverking is like oh, yeah that roided up guy and Everybody knows who he is.

02:04:02.000 Then the hate, because your labs come out and it finds out he's on a shitload of things.

02:04:07.000 This guy's juiced to the tits. 0.90

02:04:09.000 Obviously, for a guy like you or a guy like me, we look at a guy like that like, you've got to be on the juice.

02:04:13.000 You don't even look remotely normal.

02:04:15.000 Everyone says that, though, too, but a lot of people believe them.

02:04:19.000 Well, a lot of people are just ignorant, right?

02:04:21.000 But the people that knew, like yourself, 100%, you knew that that guy was on steroids, right?

02:04:27.000 So then imagine the anxiety that comes with being exposed and then the hate.

02:04:34.000 I don't know what this dude does in terms of social media if he reads comments, but just imagine the psychological effect of being bombarded by people calling you a piece of shit and a liar and a fraud all day long.

02:04:51.000 Every time you check your Instagram or whatever you got, your YouTube, the comments are Filled with people who hate you.

02:04:59.000 Filled with it.

02:05:00.000 And you're just like sitting there stewing in your own shit and just freaking out about your decisions.

02:05:05.000 And your brain probably gets overrun by stress.

02:05:10.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

02:05:14.000 I don't even know.

02:05:15.000 For him specifically, either if he did psychedelics or not, I'm pretty sure he's talked about it openly, but it was just like some of the videos were really odd, and it kind of reflected behavior I've seen of people who have experiences gone awry, but certainly not representative of what happens if it's done properly.

02:05:33.000 Well, I think it depends on if it's done properly to who.

02:05:37.000 Yeah, like your baseline state and what you're...

02:05:39.000 Yeah.

02:05:40.000 I think there's people...

02:05:41.000 This is the argument that Alex Berenson had when he wrote that book.

02:05:45.000 He used to write for the New York Times.

02:05:47.000 He wrote a book called Tell Your Children.

02:05:48.000 And it's all...

02:05:49.000 His argument is that marijuana is not safe for everybody.

02:05:53.000 Hmm.

02:05:54.000 Right?

02:05:54.000 It's safe for a lot of people.

02:05:56.000 I know a lot of people use marijuana all the time.

02:05:58.000 They don't have any problems.

02:05:59.000 But I do know multiple people that have gone schizophrenic for marijuana.

02:06:04.000 Now, is it they were going schizophrenic anyway, and then these high dose marijuana experiences were the tipping point?

02:06:10.000 We don't really know.

02:06:12.000 But we do know there's a correlation.

02:06:14.000 I've seen it I've seen it with multiple people where they were really normal and then all of a sudden they start talking to you about like you know like someone's talking to them in their head and there's a chip and Elon Musk is gonna have them be the king of Mars and like people lose their shit man and they they go into this world of paranoid fantasy and delusion and it's horrible to see especially if someone do you care about it's really fucking weird and Kills your REM sleep, too.

02:06:42.000 Marijuana does.

02:06:43.000 Yeah, well, if you're using it to sleep, it can reduce sleep latency, but significantly harms REM sleep, so you might not be getting quality sleep every night, which exacerbates the effect.

02:06:54.000 It definitely fucks with your dreams.

02:06:55.000 Yeah.

02:06:56.000 You know how I know this?

02:06:57.000 Sober October, when we do Sober October, like, immediately have these wild dreams, like, super vivid dreams, and I'm like, where have these things been?

02:07:06.000 So for the whole month, it's crazy.

02:07:08.000 Do you track the sleep metrics when you're doing Sober October vs...

02:07:12.000 No.

02:07:12.000 I was doing it for a while with Whoop.

02:07:15.000 I was checking my recovery.

02:07:17.000 I wasn't that...

02:07:18.000 I'm basically a feel person.

02:07:19.000 How do I feel?

02:07:20.000 I'm pretty good at knowing how I feel.

02:07:22.000 And if I feel well-rested, if I got eight hours sleep and I feel well-rested, I'm not even going to check mine.

02:07:27.000 I don't care.

02:07:28.000 I feel great.

02:07:29.000 Let's go!

02:07:30.000 Let's go!

02:07:31.000 I think so much of it is mental.

02:07:34.000 So much of it is the energy that you have to approach your day is enthusiasm and health.

02:07:39.000 That's where your energy generally comes from.

02:07:42.000 Yeah, the stress of tracking can sometimes like defeat the purpose as well for some people.

02:07:46.000 I think it's also, you know, I've heard people talk about like addiction.

02:07:50.000 You know, like how many people are addicted to their phones?

02:07:53.000 Most of us, right?

02:07:55.000 There's an addiction to checking like health metrics.

02:07:59.000 And there's also an addiction like competing.

02:08:01.000 But I would say that that's an addiction that's fairly positive.

02:08:05.000 Because you're addicted to these numbers that are correlated with health benefits.

02:08:10.000 So I was like, what is addiction?

02:08:12.000 Okay, if you're a gambling addict and you're losing your house and your children don't have food, okay, that's a detrimental addiction.

02:08:19.000 But if you're addicted to exercise and you're super fit because of it, you're going to live longer and you're healthy as fuck and you look great.

02:08:27.000 Is that really an addiction?

02:08:29.000 I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing.

02:08:32.000 We're talking about the same kind of pattern, but I've been addicted to a lot of things.

02:08:37.000 I've been addicted to martial arts, for sure.

02:08:40.000 I would be out in public and if people were boring to me, I'd be thinking of combinations.

02:08:46.000 I'd be like talking to them.

02:08:48.000 I wasn't thinking about what they were saying.

02:08:50.000 I was thinking about how it hit them.

02:08:52.000 I'd think about like, if they step like this, then I go like that.

02:08:54.000 But what if I step here?

02:08:55.000 I was like working out footwork.

02:08:57.000 I would do it in my head because I was an addict.

02:08:59.000 But I was addicted to something that was very positive.

02:09:02.000 Yeah.

02:09:03.000 No, you need somewhere to attribute your, I don't know, dopamine to, I guess.

02:09:09.000 Yeah.

02:09:09.000 If it's positive, it's probably the best thing you could hope for as long as you don't go over the top, which is pretty difficult to do with health stuff.

02:09:16.000 Well, you can break yourself down with overtraining.

02:09:19.000 I would say my good friend David Goggins is breaking his body down with overtraining.

02:09:25.000 He's got no cartilage in his knees and he's running thousands of miles.

02:09:29.000 He's a complete psychopath.

02:09:31.000 He must be in agony, like every step he takes and he does not give a fuck.

02:09:36.000 He just keeps going.

02:09:37.000 It's really crazy to see.

02:09:39.000 His doctor looked at his knees and said, and this is from him directly, he said, I don't know how you could walk on these knees.

02:09:46.000 Forget about run thousands of miles.

02:09:47.000 Yeah.

02:09:48.000 They had to cut his knee because it's bone on bone.

02:09:52.000 His bone was distorting so much by growing to kind of like deal with the inflammation and like it's like some, I forget what it's called, something wolf syndrome something.

02:10:03.000 So they had to cut his leg, cut his fucking tibia bone and shift it down so that it's flat.

02:10:10.000 So they could run flat bone on bone.

02:10:13.000 That's fucked.

02:10:14.000 Dude, it's madness.

02:10:16.000 Dude, what's even more madness is the guys who get their tibia smashed open and femur and then get height increasing surgery.

02:10:24.000 That's crazy.

02:10:25.000 Did we follow that one guy who was like 6'2 who did it?

02:10:28.000 Dude, I'm doing a podcast with him in two days.

02:10:31.000 What is it called?

02:10:31.000 A Got My Knees Done?

02:10:32.000 He took his cage down though, didn't he?

02:10:35.000 Yeah, I think he was off social media for a while, and I was actually going to do a podcast with him last year, and then it didn't end up working out, and he's available and into the idea still.

02:10:47.000 Is he fully healed now?

02:10:48.000 He went from six foot to six foot six.

02:10:52.000 Jesus Christ.

02:10:53.000 Look at the size of him.

02:10:54.000 And this is him wheeling himself around.

02:10:56.000 And he was a massive guy, too.

02:10:58.000 Like, look at the size of his fucking arms.

02:11:00.000 Yeah, the guy is like a genetic freak for muscle, for sure.

02:11:04.000 Let's become taller.

02:11:05.000 They're cranking their legs.

02:11:07.000 This is nuts.

02:11:07.000 So basically they go in and shove these rods into your legs, either in the tibia or the femur, or you can do both if you want to max out.

02:11:19.000 And you can basically micro-adjust stretch it to create a separation between the bone, which then fills in with new bone over time.

02:11:29.000 This is him seven months after the lengthening process.

02:11:32.000 I want to see what your legs look like, dude. 0.99

02:11:34.000 Why I got sweatpants on.

02:11:35.000 See what those little toothpicks look like.

02:11:37.000 Wow, that's nuts.

02:11:39.000 I don't know what his original height was, but he's six feet now, and he was like, I think, five, six or five, seven when he started.

02:11:44.000 Wow, that's crazy.

02:11:46.000 So I have a lot of questions about is your athleticism permanently fucked now?

02:11:50.000 Are you ever gonna be able to squat again?

02:11:53.000 What's life like now?

02:11:55.000 What was the surgery process?

02:11:57.000 Rehabilitation?

02:11:57.000 What are your mechanics?

02:11:59.000 You have to learn how to fucking do everything.

02:12:02.000 The distance between your shin, like your kneecap, and your foot.

02:12:06.000 If that changes dramatically, your whole timing is different.

02:12:10.000 You have a different leverage.

02:12:13.000 Everything's different.

02:12:14.000 What does it do to your hips? 0.98

02:12:16.000 Are you going to wear your hips out earlier?

02:12:18.000 Your body probably has to compensate for these freakishly long shins now. 0.97

02:12:23.000 Yeah, and this guy, too, he's a unique phenomenon, even among the people doing this crazy surgery, because he got the full six inches, which is not necessarily typical, having both bones broken to do it.

02:12:38.000 And then maxing it out at the weight he's at, too.

02:12:42.000 So he has to support the recovery on like a, I can imagine, seemingly like 300 plus frame or something.

02:12:47.000 Jesus Christ.

02:12:49.000 A lot of people who get it done are like 5'6", trying to become like 5'6".

02:12:52.000 They weigh 150. Yeah.

02:12:55.000 It's still probably fucking insane.

02:12:57.000 It's insane.

02:12:59.000 You're only stretching one bone, right?

02:13:02.000 Yeah, I have to...

02:13:04.000 Are they doing the tibia as well?

02:13:05.000 You pick.

02:13:06.000 So the tibia and the fibula rather?

02:13:09.000 Are they doing both of them?

02:13:10.000 Femur or tibia or both.

02:13:11.000 Oh, you could do femur?

02:13:13.000 Yeah.

02:13:14.000 I could be misspeaking, but I'm pretty sure it's one or the other.

02:13:17.000 Or both?

02:13:18.000 Yeah.

02:13:19.000 Oh, Jesus.

02:13:20.000 He has both done and he like maxed it up.

02:13:22.000 Oh, Jesus.

02:13:23.000 Yeah.

02:13:23.000 So he's...

02:13:25.000 What is the recovery like?

02:13:26.000 Yeah, good question.

02:13:28.000 So this is this guy after how long?

02:13:35.000 A couple weeks after he gets his surgery done?

02:13:38.000 No, no.

02:13:40.000 After he gets the bars pulled off?

02:13:42.000 It's like week by week, I think.

02:13:44.000 Jumping after height surgery.

02:13:45.000 Oh, look how skinny his legs are.

02:13:47.000 So he's pretty skinny.

02:13:48.000 So this is him in the beginning.

02:13:49.000 He's trying to do it.

02:13:50.000 I would be terrified to do that.

02:13:51.000 See, I would be, my curiosity is, how athletic were they prior, and then what is their maximal, like, what's their max out point of recovery in contrast to their baseline?

02:14:02.000 Because, yeah, you could show me a box jump that looks like you're somewhat functional, but...

02:14:08.000 Look at his legs, that's so crazy.

02:14:10.000 Yeah, so they, like, stick a rod in it, and micro...

02:14:12.000 How long is the process?

02:14:14.000 I think, like...

02:14:16.000 A year, probably?

02:14:17.000 Or, I don't know, months?

02:14:18.000 So, for a year, you're walking around with these, like, iron shin plates.

02:14:22.000 Yeah.

02:14:23.000 Yeah, it's pretty nuts, dude.

02:14:25.000 Look at them, getting all the bitches now. 1.00

02:14:28.000 Yeah.

02:14:29.000 Yeah.

02:14:30.000 Looking all sexy and tall.

02:14:32.000 Now, there was one guy, Jamie, that you pulled up before who had it done, and they showed him doing some athletic drills, like cone drills and coordination drills, and he looked fucking great.

02:14:44.000 He looked like a real athlete, even though he got it done.

02:14:47.000 It didn't look like it was, unless he's just unbelievably athletic before and maintained a lot of it.

02:14:52.000 I would like to know, did you have a decrease?

02:14:55.000 You obviously look insane right now, but what did you used to be able to do?

02:14:59.000 Yeah, some of the stuff I'm curious about, too, is how much of the content you see online is sponsored versus actual user content just reviewing their experience.

02:15:10.000 Because you could see, for example, hair transplants.

02:15:15.000 Tons of people get sent fully paid to go get a transplant done as long as they speak positively about it and whatever.

02:15:24.000 So imagine a guy who's getting specialized attention, which you would want if you're getting your fucking legs broken.

02:15:33.000 Yeah.

02:15:37.000 versus, you know, somewhat manufactured.

02:15:40.000 That's a very good point.

02:15:41.000 Yeah.

02:15:42.000 That's also one of those things where if you're a social media influencer, you probably want to appear like you're doing all the right things.

02:15:49.000 Yeah.

02:15:50.000 You would never want to admit that you fucked yourself up for height-increasing surgery.

02:15:54.000 I can't walk right.

02:15:55.000 I'm in pain all the time.

02:15:57.000 I can't run anymore.

02:15:59.000 You'd become the case study for why to not do it.

02:16:02.000 Yeah.

02:16:03.000 I wonder what kind of an effect that would have on your mechanics.

02:16:07.000 I really do.

02:16:09.000 I would imagine for martial arts, you know where everything is.

02:16:14.000 If I'm throwing a kick, I know exactly where my shin is going to land from the distance that I'm at.

02:16:22.000 My mind is coordinated for this short body.

02:16:26.000 I know exactly how much distance I have to cover.

02:16:29.000 If all of a sudden you add six inches to that, Oh, yeah.

02:16:33.000 Everything is weird.

02:16:34.000 Dude, even gaining a bit of muscle can throw off your depth perception of how strong...

02:16:40.000 Like, for example, when I was in high school, I played basketball, and I started working out in grade 11 and gained like 50 pounds in a year.

02:16:49.000 My three-pointer that used to be just fucking money every time I knew exactly how to shoot the ball.

02:16:57.000 It was just second nature because you've been doing it for a decade or whatever.

02:17:02.000 And then all of a sudden you add this extra force production that you're not accounting for.

02:17:07.000 All of a sudden everything's thrown off.

02:17:09.000 And also you're sore all the time because you're always lifting, which makes you tight.

02:17:13.000 Yeah, it became a brick house after that.

02:17:15.000 It's a giant problem with pool, you know?

02:17:18.000 Oh, I can imagine.

02:17:19.000 Because I'm addicted to playing pool.

02:17:20.000 When I lift weights and then play pool, it takes like an hour before I can loosen up and play good.

02:17:24.000 Oh, man.

02:17:25.000 Everything's off.

02:17:26.000 It's like my arm's not listening right.

02:17:28.000 It's all stiff.

02:17:29.000 Like for pool, you want to like, when I'm playing really well, I'm barely holding on to that cue.

02:17:35.000 It's like I'm almost letting the cue do all the work.

02:17:38.000 It's like a very gentle thing.

02:17:39.000 But then when I do a heavy kettlebell session and then I try to play pool, it's like...

02:17:44.000 Everything's just tight and goofy and clunky and you don't feel it.

02:17:51.000 Like pool is like a feel game.

02:17:53.000 Like you're feeling how many rotations you're putting on the ball to get it to move to the next position.

02:17:59.000 Like, literally, you're within one or two rotations correctly.

02:18:04.000 And that's the difference between getting into an area where you can make the next shot or not.

02:18:10.000 So it's all feel.

02:18:12.000 Like these guys, like Fedor Gorst, who's like one of the best players in the world, he changed cues.

02:18:18.000 He changed cue companies.

02:18:20.000 The same weight, the same taper, the same tip millimeter, and he said his shot was about 10% off.

02:18:28.000 He goes 6 to 10% off.

02:18:29.000 I was like, what?

02:18:31.000 Like, how?

02:18:32.000 He's like, it's off.

02:18:34.000 It takes a while to recalibrate.

02:18:36.000 Yeah, this is one of those examples where like, you know, in MMA too, like if you gain a bunch of muscle from drugs even, like it's not necessarily beneficial.

02:18:44.000 Your mobility could be inhibited flexibility, gas out quicker.

02:18:48.000 Even in BJJ, it's like, and you can sauce to the tits, but like it might not be helpful to the capacity you can actually push it.

02:18:56.000 Right.

02:18:56.000 You know, you might gas out quicker, all of a sudden you can't do things that you used to do.

02:19:00.000 I think the key is moderation and lifting in regard to, unless you're on the sauce, you know, if you're doing anything like MMA or any skill-based thing.

02:19:11.000 Because as soon as you're tight and sore, you're not going to learn well.

02:19:15.000 You're not going to have a snap to your punches.

02:19:18.000 You'll be pushing punches.

02:19:20.000 You know, there's a...

02:19:22.000 Fluidity like some of the hardest techniques almost look effortless because there's a fluidity to the like if you're landing a kick for example like a hard kick like a spinning back kick like what John Jones knocked out Stipe Miocic with there's a there's a dance going on with your nervous system with all your muscles moving in coordination if you think of how complex that movement is right he's standing like this sideways and he's looking for them and at the right moment Uh

02:19:59.000 -huh.

02:20:01.000 Pushing off his back leg with all of his weight, and there's a timing.

02:20:06.000 You don't want to hit him here, and you don't want to hit him at the end of it.

02:20:09.000 You want to hit him right in the sweet spot.

02:20:11.000 So you've got to know your foot on extension is going to be properly distanced from his ribcage in order for you to get maximum force.

02:20:21.000 And it's all happening in a fraction of a second.

02:20:24.000 And when it lands, it's like getting hit by a fucking car.

02:20:28.000 But it's a dance.

02:20:31.000 Here, you see him do this.

02:20:32.000 Look at this.

02:20:33.000 Fucking dance, man.

02:20:34.000 Watch this.

02:20:35.000 Look at that turn.

02:20:36.000 Boom! 0.99

02:20:37.000 I mean, it's perfection.

02:20:38.000 I had a feeling that if anyone could appreciate this, it would be you, for sure, given this is your signature, right?

02:20:47.000 Oh, that's my specialty kick.

02:20:48.000 Yeah.

02:20:49.000 Yeah.

02:20:51.000 Not that everyone is impressed by it, but like I knew you would see it as like...

02:20:55.000 I was so hyped up for it because I always wondered why more people don't throw it.

02:20:58.000 And that's also the same kick that Max Holloway landed on Justin Gaethje at the end of the first round.

02:21:03.000 He fucked him up at the end of the first round with a spinning back kick to the face, which is a crazy kick to take in the mud. 0.99

02:21:09.000 Sick fight.

02:21:10.000 But you know, Stipe is one of the toughest guys to ever walk the face of the earth.

02:21:14.000 For him to go down like that, look at the force.

02:21:17.000 Look at the force.

02:21:18.000 Boom! 0.99

02:21:19.000 I mean, your hole, his rib went in, like, look how deep it goes in.

02:21:23.000 On impact, look how fucking deep his heel is in.

02:21:28.000 Look at that!

02:21:28.000 That's insane!

02:21:30.000 That's like the body equivalent of that Tony Ferguson picture.

02:21:34.000 Right, right.

02:21:35.000 The one when he gets front kicked in the face?

02:21:37.000 Yeah.

02:21:37.000 I mean, that is incredible amount of penetration.

02:21:40.000 Look at that.

02:21:41.000 I mean, all of his organs just went into shock right there.

02:21:45.000 And if he was on the other side, it would be even more devastating.

02:21:49.000 Because that's not even the side where the liver is.

02:21:51.000 That's just general organ trauma, you know?

02:21:55.000 And he just can't take it.

02:21:57.000 He just goes down, and then that's a wrap.

02:21:59.000 So what happens when Aspinall fights Jon Jones?

02:22:03.000 I gotta hope they fight.

02:22:05.000 I wanna know.

02:22:06.000 It's gotta happen, right?

02:22:07.000 Here's a question with Aspinall.

02:22:08.000 What happens with Aspinall in the second round?

02:22:12.000 Oh, I guess he hasn't.

02:22:12.000 You want to talk about a guy with sprints?

02:22:14.000 Yeah.

02:22:14.000 You want to talk about a guy with fast twitch?

02:22:16.000 Aspinall's one of the fastest heavyweights.

02:22:18.000 He might be the fastest heavyweight in the history of the sport.

02:22:22.000 I don't think anybody moves like that guy does.

02:22:24.000 At a 250-plus pound frame, his movement's fucking extraordinary.

02:22:30.000 And that's something you have to deal with.

02:22:32.000 That is a crazy ability.

02:22:34.000 His ability to move, the way he moves, is so much different than everybody else in the sport.

02:22:39.000 Google...

02:22:41.000 Let's come up with a good Aspinall fight.

02:22:45.000 The Curtis Blades fight was pretty quick, but how about the last one with the Pavlich fight where he won the interim title?

02:22:53.000 That's a good one?

02:22:54.000 That's a minute.

02:22:55.000 Volkov was three minutes?

02:22:57.000 Yeah, all of his fights, like all together, he's fought like 10 minutes.

02:23:02.000 Everybody gets blown out real quick.

02:23:04.000 Yeah.

02:23:04.000 But let's watch one of them.

02:23:06.000 The only loss he has was he blew his knee out throwing a kick, which is crazy.

02:23:10.000 He didn't even get hit.

02:23:11.000 He threw a round kick and his ACL exploded.

02:23:15.000 So let's see Marcin Tabura.

02:23:18.000 That's a good one.

02:23:21.000 He's so fucking fast, dude.

02:23:24.000 The Andrei Oloski fight, you can see that's pretty fast, too.

02:23:27.000 Put the Tabora one. 0.69

02:23:29.000 It's the left-hand side.

02:23:30.000 Go above that, to the left.

02:23:32.000 Right there.

02:23:33.000 Click on that.

02:23:34.000 Just click on it.

02:23:35.000 I can't control this.

02:23:36.000 That's fine.

02:23:37.000 That's fine.

02:23:37.000 I just want to show his movement.

02:23:39.000 Look how fast he moves in.

02:23:40.000 I mean, that guy's so fucking fast.

02:23:43.000 He moves like a 175-pounder.

02:23:46.000 He doesn't move like a 250-pound guy.

02:23:49.000 Look how quickly he closes the distance, man.

02:23:51.000 His hand speed and full range of skills.

02:23:56.000 Incredible stand-up, knocks guys out with one punch, black belt in jiu-jitsu, really good wrestler, his everything, and he's young.

02:24:04.000 So what's your prediction if it happens?

02:24:06.000 It's hard to bet against John.

02:24:08.000 It's hard to bet against John.

02:24:10.000 But John's not a real heavyweight.

02:24:12.000 John could make light heavyweight, 100%.

02:24:14.000 He weights 230 right now, maybe a little less than 230. There's no doubt in my mind that if John just changed his diet and went back, he hasn't put that much mass on that you would say 205 is out of reach.

02:24:26.000 No, it's a fluffy weight.

02:24:28.000 Yeah.

02:24:29.000 Look, he had always had the reputation of fucking all the heavyweights up at Jackson Winklejohn.

02:24:35.000 Always.

02:24:36.000 Everybody said, like, when Brendan went down and trained with him, Brendan was a heavyweight.

02:24:40.000 Brendan Shaw, he's like, he fucked me up.

02:24:42.000 He goes, dude, I was like top ten in the world as a heavyweight.

02:24:45.000 I thought I was the shit.

02:24:45.000 He fucked me up.

02:24:46.000 He goes, he beat my ass.

02:24:48.000 And he goes, he beat everybody else's ass, too.

02:24:50.000 All the other heavyweights ragdolled dudes way bigger than him. 1.00

02:24:53.000 He's just a freak.

02:24:55.000 His wingspan is, like, how much longer than his height, though, too?

02:25:00.000 It's crazy.

02:25:00.000 Yeah, it's insane.

02:25:01.000 Crazy reach, and also just skillful.

02:25:04.000 His skills are so rock-solid in every way, shape, or form.

02:25:08.000 His stand-up, his submissions, he's crazy strong.

02:25:11.000 He's got just an insane mind for fighting.

02:25:15.000 And would he blow out Pereira, you think, where it's not even a worthwhile...

02:25:20.000 The problem is the ground.

02:25:22.000 Jon's so much better on the ground.

02:25:24.000 Like, world's better.

02:25:25.000 And it takes so long to get really good on the ground.

02:25:28.000 And we've seen Pereira get in trouble with guys on the ground that are nowhere near Jon's level.

02:25:33.000 Nowhere near.

02:25:35.000 Jon dominates everybody.

02:25:37.000 He took down Daniel Cormier.

02:25:38.000 Daniel Cormier's an Olympic wrestler.

02:25:40.000 I mean, he's a fucking phenomenal wrestler.

02:25:43.000 And Jon took him down.

02:25:44.000 And took him down multiple times.

02:25:46.000 It's a different dude, man.

02:25:48.000 This is what we're talking about like with genetics, right?

02:25:51.000 There's some guys, they're just blessed.

02:25:53.000 And then with John, it's blessed and his mind.

02:25:57.000 It's not just, it's his personality, his like ruthless competitiveness.

02:26:02.000 He's like, he's not going to fucking lose.

02:26:04.000 He's going to find a way to get you.

02:26:06.000 And he's going to do it clever.

02:26:07.000 He's not trying to take a bunch of punishment and stand and bang.

02:26:11.000 He's not going to point the center of the octagon and go, let's go right here.

02:26:13.000 We'll stand right here.

02:26:14.000 Never going to happen with Jon Jones.

02:26:16.000 You're not getting none of that, son.

02:26:18.000 You're getting knees to the gut.

02:26:19.000 You're getting your knees kicked.

02:26:21.000 You're getting fucking just laced up with elbows with your fucking head's bleeding.

02:26:26.000 He's going to slowly dismantle you and find a way to submit you or punish you, beat you to death on the ground.

02:26:32.000 But can he do that with a guy like Aspinall who's a legit 255 pound natural who moves like he's 80 pounds lighter?

02:26:43.000 He's a freak, man.

02:26:45.000 Aspinall's a freak.

02:26:46.000 Like I've seen a lot of heavyweight, even Francis, who's like the greatest, scariest power striker I've ever seen in the heavyweight division.

02:26:53.000 No one's scarier than Francis.

02:26:55.000 Francis does not move like Tom Aspinall.

02:26:58.000 Tom Aspinall is significantly faster than every other heavyweight.

02:27:02.000 That's a real problem.

02:27:04.000 That's a real problem.

02:27:05.000 But John has been used to fighting guys like Alexander Gustafson.

02:27:10.000 Guys who are really fast at light heavyweight.

02:27:12.000 So the speed is not going to be as much of an adjustment.

02:27:16.000 Like John's used to really fast people.

02:27:18.000 He fought Lyoto Machida when Machida was in his prime.

02:27:21.000 Machida was a lightning bolt, man.

02:27:23.000 And he caught John a bunch of times.

02:27:25.000 But then there's the thing of getting caught by Lyoto Machida is not like getting caught by 255-pound Tom Aspinall.

02:27:32.000 It's pretty crazy being at the top of the sport for like two eras, essentially.

02:27:37.000 There's no one like him.

02:27:38.000 Yeah, like when I was like a fucking teenager watching UFC, it was like Lyoto versus him.

02:27:43.000 You have like Mauricio Shogunua fights.

02:27:45.000 Yeah.

02:27:46.000 He's 14 years at the top, 14 years, and they're debating whether or not he's the pound-for-pound best fighter alive right now.

02:27:56.000 Islam Makachev currently holds that standing, and I think that is voted amongst experts.

02:28:02.000 I think that's what, you know, air quotes, experts.

02:28:04.000 Some of these guys don't know jack shit.

02:28:06.000 There's guys who vote on this that literally have never rolled a day in their life, and that's a fact.

02:28:11.000 The meme's pretty funny though, where it's like, every time Dana says John Jones is the best, and they'll put it in front of like, it'll be like, I don't know, some obscene scenario.

02:28:21.000 It'll be like somebody getting a terminal illness diagnosis or something, and then Dana White comes in and he's like, but John Jones is the best fucking fighter of all time.

02:28:29.000 I want to make sure that what I said was accurate.

02:28:32.000 Who does get to decide what the pound for pound list is?

02:28:35.000 I believe it's MMA journalists and experts.

02:28:39.000 Now, there's MMA journalists that I know that are really nice guys, and I don't want to say any names, but I know they never worked out a fucking day in their life.

02:28:45.000 And they love the sport, and they cover it fairly, and they're very knowledgeable, and they're very good at reciting stats and understanding things, but how much do you really know?

02:28:55.000 Ratings were generated by a voting panel made up of media members.

02:28:58.000 See, that's a problem.

02:28:59.000 Media members were asked to vote on who they feel are the best top fighters in the UFC by weight class and pound for pound.

02:29:06.000 A fighter is only eligible to be voted on if they are active status in the UFC. Now, this is not to disparage any of these media people.

02:29:14.000 Like I said, I love them.

02:29:15.000 I'm friends with a lot of them.

02:29:16.000 They're great guys.

02:29:19.000 There's no way you...

02:29:23.000 Absolutely understand someone's ability, especially when you're talking about pound for pound, unless you've done martial arts.

02:29:29.000 I just don't think...

02:29:31.000 Like when John threw that kick, I see that kick and I go, that was beautiful.

02:29:35.000 That was beautiful.

02:29:35.000 Because I know how it kicks...

02:29:36.000 I know what's supposed to happen.

02:29:38.000 You're just guessing.

02:29:39.000 You're guessing on what...

02:29:41.000 You've never done that on somebody.

02:29:43.000 If you've never done that, you don't know how beautiful that is.

02:29:45.000 You don't really get it.

02:29:47.000 You kind of get it.

02:29:48.000 But you get it the way I get flying a plane.

02:29:50.000 I never flow a plane.

02:29:51.000 I kind of see they pull the lever.

02:29:53.000 That guy did a great job flying that plane.

02:29:54.000 Look how he landed.

02:29:55.000 Perfect.

02:29:55.000 I don't know what's really going on.

02:29:58.000 But when it comes to martial arts, I know what's really going on.

02:30:01.000 And when you look at a guy like Jon Jones, I don't think you can make a greatest of all time complete argument.

02:30:09.000 The way I like to look at it, I say, Who had the highest expression of martial arts excellence during their prime?

02:30:20.000 Like what?

02:30:20.000 I don't mean the entire career.

02:30:23.000 I don't mean now.

02:30:24.000 I mean when they were hot, like when Anderson Silva was hot, how good was that?

02:30:30.000 Was that better than anything that ever existed?

02:30:33.000 Because I think it might have been.

02:30:34.000 And that's what I look at when I look at like pound for pound best.

02:30:38.000 So the argument is John Jones has had some really close fights.

02:30:44.000 He's had like split decision fights that he won.

02:30:46.000 A lot of people thought that some of his fights, like the Dominic Reyes fight, could have easily gone to Dominic Reyes.

02:30:55.000 Easily.

02:30:56.000 And I would not have been mad at that.

02:30:57.000 And I might go back and watch it again and decide Dominic Reyes won that fight.

02:31:03.000 But there's those 10-9 rounds that are like, I don't know, you could say 10-9 John or 10-9 Dominic, and either way, you've lost the title or you've won the title back.

02:31:11.000 You know, like, it's real weird.

02:31:14.000 Makachev is so fucking good.

02:31:17.000 He's so fucking good that he head-kicked Alexander Volkanovski in the rematch.

02:31:21.000 He submits everybody.

02:31:23.000 He submitted Dustin Poirier.

02:31:25.000 He's a fucking monster.

02:31:27.000 When he gets guys on the ground, he just crushes them.

02:31:29.000 And you could argue that he's dealing with a deeper talent pool.

02:31:35.000 So his weight class is, in my opinion, the most talent-rich weight pool in the sport, 155 pounds.

02:31:41.000 155 pounds is filled with assassins.

02:31:45.000 205 pounds is not.

02:31:47.000 265 is definitely not.

02:31:49.000 It's a giant difference.

02:31:51.000 I feel like it's been a while since those divisions were really heated with depth.

02:31:57.000 Which ones?

02:31:58.000 205?

02:31:58.000 Light heavy, especially.

02:32:00.000 They used to be the fucking division to watch.

02:32:03.000 Imagine, though, if Pereira was coming up when Jon Jones was the champion.

02:32:06.000 That would be exciting.

02:32:08.000 That would be exciting.

02:32:09.000 Pereira's a different cat, man.

02:32:12.000 Did you hear what Mark Goddard said to me in the fight after he fought Khalil Rountree?

02:32:18.000 Mark Goddard came up to me and goes, mate, the sound it makes when he hits them is ungodly.

02:32:24.000 He goes, I've been doing this for 20 years.

02:32:27.000 He goes, the sound he makes is just different.

02:32:29.000 It's ungodly.

02:32:31.000 He just kept saying that.

02:32:32.000 He wanted to make a point to say this to me.

02:32:34.000 He came up to me immediately when I got into the octagon.

02:32:36.000 He's like, the sound is ungodly.

02:32:38.000 His power is so different.

02:32:42.000 Do you know Francis hit that punch pad and he got like 127 or whatever?

02:32:48.000 Pereira got 190. 190. Do you know how crazy that is?

02:32:54.000 With a kick, the highest I got was like 157. Some guy got like 190 with a kick.

02:33:00.000 We're pretty impressed.

02:33:01.000 I think some guy might have broken 200 with a kick.

02:33:04.000 Some Muay Thai guy.

02:33:06.000 Pereira did 190 with a punch.

02:33:09.000 With a punch.

02:33:10.000 Yeah.

02:33:11.000 And it was after training.

02:33:12.000 He just wallops this fucking thing.

02:33:14.000 And they come out of nowhere.

02:33:15.000 Like there's not really a call.

02:33:16.000 There's no call.

02:33:17.000 Yeah.

02:33:17.000 There's no tell.

02:33:18.000 And he doesn't have to hit you full power.

02:33:21.000 Because he has so much power, like those leg kicks that he fucks everybody with, there's no turn of the hips at all.

02:33:26.000 He's just slapping you and all of a sudden you can't walk well.

02:33:29.000 And then he's like marching you down and it just takes one shot.

02:33:33.000 His power is so crazy.

02:33:36.000 Different than anybody else's.

02:33:37.000 Because everybody gets hit on the chin.

02:33:39.000 But when you get hit on the chin by that guy, it's like you can't get hit.

02:33:43.000 You get hit.

02:33:43.000 It's like everything is just like...

02:33:45.000 You're like, what the fuck?

02:33:47.000 You can see it in their face.

02:33:48.000 Yeah, I remember the first time I was here, we were talking about how this guy...

02:33:52.000 Pereira is the only one who's ever beat Adesanya, and he seems like this fucking assassin.

02:33:57.000 We were like, oh, that's an interesting timeline.

02:34:00.000 Didn't know it would transpire into this degree of success where not only does he beat him, but then he switches divisions, fucking smokes that division too.

02:34:09.000 It's crazy.

02:34:10.000 Dominated two divisions.

02:34:11.000 And the only reason why he didn't stay at middleweight, he's literally killing himself to get to 185. And I think that likely contributed to the KO, too.

02:34:20.000 Like, Adesanya landed a perfect right hand. 1.00

02:34:23.000 That right hand is gonna fuck him up every day of the week, no matter what you weigh.

02:34:27.000 It's just perfect.

02:34:28.000 And the timing, the way he did it, like, leaning up against the cage and just looked for the opening and just caught him coming in, bang, dropped him, hit him with the left hook, put the arrows into him when he's down.

02:34:38.000 That KO was perfect.

02:34:40.000 But you've got to wonder, like, how much of his inability, like, you went completely unconscious.

02:34:45.000 How much of that is because of the drain, the dehydration?

02:34:48.000 Because we know that the brain takes longer to rehydrate than the muscle tissue.

02:34:53.000 Yeah.

02:34:53.000 Oh, some impact, for sure.

02:34:56.000 Yeah.

02:34:56.000 Fighters always say that it impacts their ability to take a punch.

02:34:59.000 They talk about it, like, openly.

02:35:00.000 Like, I took punches better when I went up to 55. A good example is Oliveira.

02:35:06.000 Oliveira was notorious for folding at 45. He goes up to 55 and he becomes unstoppable.

02:35:12.000 Yeah.

02:35:15.000 I'm surprised he ever sucked out of that to begin with.

02:35:18.000 He's so big that he was making 185 and then fighting at 226. That's even more aggressive than the Costa cuts, I think.

02:35:28.000 Yes.

02:35:28.000 I think he had the most aggressive weight cut.

02:35:33.000 Now it's pretty marginal.

02:35:34.000 Now I think he gets into the low 220s, like 222, and then he cuts 15. Not that bad for a big guy with a lot of muscle.

02:35:43.000 Dude, Costa needs to go back to brawling. 1.00

02:35:45.000 Eh?

02:35:47.000 He used to be so exciting, and now it's just kind of like has different strategies each time, and then, I don't know, it just doesn't seem to be working out.

02:35:54.000 It's hard to know what happens to a guy when he gets really owned.

02:35:58.000 Yeah.

02:35:58.000 Because that's the thing.

02:35:59.000 Oh, you think he's like psychologically just...

02:36:01.000 I don't think he's the same guy.

02:36:02.000 Like, that's the guy who walked down Yoel Romero.

02:36:04.000 And we're like, oh my god, Yoel Romero met a bigger freak than him.

02:36:08.000 Because regardless of whether or not you think Costa's juicy, that guy's got extraordinary genetics.

02:36:13.000 You know?

02:36:14.000 I mean, that's why he's such a beautiful man.

02:36:16.000 Perfect features.

02:36:17.000 Like, incredible frame.

02:36:19.000 His frame's incredible.

02:36:20.000 And whether or not he's juicy, the reality is, the guy has insane genetics.

02:36:26.000 And he was a fucking warrior.

02:36:28.000 Especially in that Yoel Romero fight.

02:36:30.000 Yoel's terrifying to everybody.

02:36:32.000 And Costa just walked him down and beat his ass. 1.00

02:36:34.000 And that was not a close fight.

02:36:36.000 It was primarily a stand-up fight.

02:36:38.000 Which is where Yoel's the most scary.

02:36:40.000 And Costa was in no danger.

02:36:41.000 He beat the shit out of Yoel Romero.

02:36:43.000 But then he fought a guy who was just way more slick.

02:36:47.000 And Adesanya just was piecing him up in a way where he couldn't respond.

02:36:53.000 What he was doing was a very effective strategy on people that weren't as skillful as Adesanya.

02:37:00.000 But that strategy, Adesanya was easily exploiting.

02:37:03.000 He was like exploiting him with distance and with feints and distant management and chopping at the legs and just he had him all fucked up by the end of the first round.

02:37:11.000 He was realizing I can't touch this guy and he keeps hitting me.

02:37:14.000 And when he would touch Izzy, Izzy would be rolling with the punches or he'd block the kick and just move away from it as he's getting hit and then just keep stabbing at him from a distance.

02:37:25.000 And it was just, he was too good.

02:37:27.000 That's Izzy in his prime when he was at the top of the food chain.

02:37:30.000 And at that moment, he fought the best Israel Adesanya that's ever been.

02:37:35.000 And that's like we were talking about, like, how good does a guy compete in that one step, this gap of a couple of years or three years where he's just in his prime.

02:37:47.000 I think that was what it was.

02:37:48.000 That was Izzy in his prime, which is one of the greatest fighters of all time, against Paulo Costa, who just didn't have the answers to that.

02:37:55.000 And once you've been bested like that, and a guy dry-humps you when you're down, he beats your ass, TKO's you, and then humps you.

02:38:02.000 You're just like, I thought I was the man.

02:38:04.000 Yeah.

02:38:05.000 So then he has all these doubts and then he goes into the next fights.

02:38:08.000 He missed weight for one fight and fought at 205. Remember when he fought...

02:38:13.000 Who the fuck did he fight?

02:38:18.000 God damn it, I can't.

02:38:19.000 Marvin Vittori.

02:38:20.000 He fought Marvin Vittori and they were supposed to be fighting at 185 and they fought at like 205 and he still looked like he was out of shape.

02:38:25.000 He looked like he's mentally all fucked up from that fight.

02:38:29.000 Yeah, I can imagine the downward spiral that you would have to try and contend with as well after you go from top rank to, I think he's lost like three in a row.

02:38:39.000 It's crazy.

02:38:40.000 I'd like to see him get back into form, but I don't know if he can anymore.

02:38:43.000 I don't know if you're psychologically the same guy.

02:38:46.000 Did you watch CGI? What is that?

02:38:51.000 The Craig Jones invitation.

02:38:52.000 Oh, yeah.

02:38:53.000 I was thinking, what does CGI stand for?

02:38:56.000 Yeah, yeah, I watched it.

02:38:57.000 Yeah, I watched it.

02:38:58.000 Yeah.

02:38:59.000 What'd you think?

02:39:00.000 Well, I think it's great that these guys are getting a lot of money.

02:39:02.000 I think that's awesome.

02:39:03.000 I think it's kind of crazy they decided to compete against Abu Dhabi on the same weekend.

02:39:08.000 I thought that was kind of nuts.

02:39:09.000 But I guess if you want to be controversial, and Craig is certainly controversial, and you want to get a lot of attention, it got a lot of attention.

02:39:17.000 And then, of course, the money.

02:39:18.000 I mean, he came into the studio with $3 million in cash.

02:39:20.000 Was it $3 million?

02:39:21.000 Yeah, wasn't it?

02:39:22.000 No.

02:39:23.000 It was one million?

02:39:23.000 Oh, it was one million.

02:39:24.000 Okay.

02:39:25.000 But even that.

02:39:25.000 But they gave out three billion dollars, right?

02:39:27.000 So three different divisions got a million dollars.

02:39:30.000 So he brought in a million dollars in a duffel bag, which I've never seen that before.

02:39:34.000 It's crazy to look at.

02:39:36.000 No, yeah.

02:39:36.000 It's not easy to get.

02:39:39.000 You know, it's fun.

02:39:40.000 Craig's fun.

02:39:41.000 He's a funny guy.

02:39:42.000 He's fucking hilarious.

02:39:43.000 He's the most hilarious guy in jiu-jitsu.

02:39:45.000 He's, like, really silly.

02:39:46.000 He's very self-deprecating.

02:39:48.000 And he's super skillful.

02:39:50.000 I mean, his jiu-jitsu is, like, second best in the world.

02:39:53.000 Like, he always talks about it.

02:39:54.000 He named his team the B-team.

02:39:56.000 He's not going to beat Gordon.

02:39:58.000 You know, Gordon is a freak.

02:40:00.000 And Gordon is, like, a real psychopath.

02:40:03.000 Like, Gordon trains every day of the week.

02:40:04.000 Gordon versus Nicky Rod.

02:40:06.000 Who wins?

02:40:07.000 Gordon.

02:40:07.000 No question?

02:40:08.000 Yeah, Gordon's better.

02:40:09.000 He's just better.

02:40:10.000 Nicky Rod might get to Gordon's level one day.

02:40:13.000 But if they're not training together, I don't know if he will.

02:40:16.000 I don't know if he's training with...

02:40:18.000 Look, he's beat him every time they faced him.

02:40:21.000 Nicky did catch him in a footlock, but Gordon's like, God, break my foot.

02:40:24.000 I'm still going to win.

02:40:26.000 And he submitted him easily in Abu Dhabi.

02:40:29.000 And when they had their second match, Gordon was alleging he was greasy.

02:40:35.000 Like, it was difficult to get a hold of.

02:40:36.000 And that's been something that people have said about Nicki before.

02:40:39.000 But it might be toily food.

02:40:41.000 I don't know.

02:40:42.000 I don't know what's going on.

02:40:44.000 But I know guys did that.

02:40:45.000 I know guys would take baths.

02:40:47.000 This was in the early days, like the Pride days. 0.99

02:40:50.000 They would lay in a bathtub filled with baby oil.

02:40:53.000 So they would lay in this bathtub with water and like fucking gallons of like P. Diddy style...

02:41:00.000 P. Diddy style fucking...

02:41:04.000 Just supplies of baby oil in that water and they'd bathe in it.

02:41:09.000 Then they would wash themselves off, dry themselves off, and then to the touch their skin would not feel like oil at all until they started sweating.

02:41:17.000 And then when they started sweating, they'd be like a fish.

02:41:19.000 You just couldn't grab them.

02:41:21.000 Yeah, that was the thing that it was alleged that certain strikers from Brazil used to do before they fought.

02:41:28.000 And guys just could not get a hold of them.

02:41:30.000 They would just be so slippery.

02:41:31.000 You couldn't take them down.

02:41:32.000 If you take them down, you couldn't hold them down.

02:41:34.000 You just slip right out of your hands like a bar of soap.

02:41:36.000 And how would you avoid...

02:41:38.000 Do they screen for that somehow in the UFC? Or how does that work?

02:41:42.000 The problem is, what I'm saying, that you could oil your skin up and then wash it.

02:41:47.000 And it would still be in your pores.

02:41:48.000 And you wouldn't even be able to detect.

02:41:50.000 As long as you were dry, they would rub you with a cloth or something.

02:41:54.000 Nope, there's nothing on his skin.

02:41:57.000 Unless they have baby oil detection wipes that you then send to a laboratory to find out if this person put baby oil on.

02:42:05.000 So are you never allowed to put baby oil on?

02:42:07.000 Or are you only allowed to put baby oil on until the week of the fight? 0.98

02:42:11.000 When are we going to say no baby oil ever for a person?

02:42:15.000 What if they like baby oil?

02:42:17.000 What if they like cocoa butter?

02:42:19.000 So it's weird.

02:42:21.000 It's weird.

02:42:22.000 And so the solution to that is everybody has to wear long sleeve rash guards and spats.

02:42:29.000 That's the solution.

02:42:29.000 And that's what they should do.

02:42:31.000 So the best way to stop these greasers is you put them in leggings.

02:42:35.000 Leggings and tights.

02:42:37.000 Simple.

02:42:38.000 I remember that was like a bit of a controversy at least in early UFC. It was like...

02:42:43.000 Oh yeah.

02:42:43.000 I know guys greased.

02:42:45.000 100% I can tell you 100% guys greased.

02:42:49.000 Even like between rounds though too.

02:42:51.000 I know one guy who didn't just grease.

02:42:53.000 He put Vic's VapoRub all over his chest.

02:42:57.000 Jesus.

02:42:57.000 And then he would grab guys and pull their head into his chest.

02:43:02.000 So you'd be getting sweat and Vicks VapoRub in your eyes, and he'd be kneeing you in the face.

02:43:07.000 That's fucking crazy, dude.

02:43:08.000 Crazy.

02:43:09.000 Yeah.

02:43:09.000 Well, when they weren't testing for things, dudes did a lot of dirty shit.

02:43:13.000 Yeah.

02:43:13.000 I heard another story.

02:43:14.000 I can't substantiate.

02:43:15.000 I will say no names.

02:43:17.000 But a guy allegedly...

02:43:20.000 Gave blood to make weight.

02:43:22.000 So he didn't give blood, but had blood removed from his body and chilled in his room so that he can make weight and then went back up to his room and got that blood put back in his body after his body probably, you know, resupplied itself with a significant amount of it, depending on how much time it is between the fact they withdraw the blood.

02:43:41.000 I don't know how much time, but you could think about like how much weight blood is.

02:43:45.000 And if you can get like How much can you take while you're still conscious?

02:43:49.000 I don't know.

02:43:50.000 But you take these bags of blood and keep them chilled and then let your body refill and re-proliferate with blood and then go back into the room and now you're blood doping with your own blood.

02:44:03.000 Totally undetectable and you made weight with blood cutting.

02:44:06.000 Yeah, and that's like another micro-dose vector that people use still to this day.

02:44:12.000 It all gets blood transfusions.

02:44:14.000 Well, there's probably multiple factors where you're not allowed to get IVs, and that might be one of them.

02:44:19.000 Yeah, but it's like detecting that is always just through your data that they have to assess, or they assess for plastics in your bloodstream, which you can get around just by storage technique.

02:44:30.000 Right.

02:44:31.000 Plastics in your bloodstream, would you get around that if you injected it with a glass vial and a needle as opposed to a bag?

02:44:41.000 I think some people are freezing as opposed to just storing it in liquid format and then whatever you're storing it in, it can all make a difference in terms of like...

02:44:50.000 Freezing it?

02:44:50.000 Yeah.

02:44:51.000 You can freeze your blood and then put it back in?

02:44:53.000 Yeah.

02:44:54.000 Whoa.

02:44:54.000 Yeah.

02:44:55.000 Like thawed it, obviously.

02:44:56.000 But how weird is that?

02:44:57.000 Super weird.

02:44:59.000 How long is your blood good for?

02:45:00.000 That's a good question, but I would imagine longer if you're freezing it.

02:45:05.000 Jesus Christ.

02:45:06.000 The things people do just to get a little bit of an advantage...

02:45:09.000 Yeah, but it works, man.

02:45:12.000 And it's like, at least of the doping methods, one of the least easy to detect, because there's no substance that is stimulating anything.

02:45:21.000 It's just your own blood that was supposed to be there.

02:45:24.000 Right, so the only way they'd be able to detect is to detect whether or not you've had an IV. Well, it would be like they'd look at your biological passport data and see unusual elevation of hemoglobin hematocrit probably around an event, and you would also see a disproportionate suppression of reticulocytes, which are like immature red blood cells.

02:45:47.000 Because if your body has, similar to testosterone, if you administer it, you stop producing naturally.

02:45:52.000 So if you put in exogenous blood, you're going to suppress the natural production of red blood cells because you have an adequate supply.

02:46:00.000 So you would have a disproportionate ratio between...

02:46:03.000 Like, blood cells, oxygen carrying capacity markers, and immature blood cells.

02:46:08.000 And it's like, why is this differential so significant all of a sudden?

02:46:12.000 And it might flag an atypical finding and get further scrutiny.

02:46:16.000 And, yeah, with blood transfusions, because there's no way to really prove anything, oftentimes penalizations occur based on, like, it looks so fucked up that we have to penalize you because we assumed you did it.

02:46:29.000 How would they detect that?

02:46:31.000 I think it's just such an aberrant finding that's different from everything you've ever showed in your data that you must have cheated.

02:46:38.000 Oh, right.

02:46:39.000 So the biological passport.

02:46:41.000 Yeah, because it's like with other compounds like testosterone, you need to have confirmation via isotope ratio mass spec or whatever.

02:46:49.000 But with blood, it's like, what did you do?

02:46:53.000 There's no compound to prove was or wasn't there.

02:46:55.000 It's just like the blood.

02:46:57.000 But it is illegal, right?

02:46:58.000 So you'd have to have a nurse that can keep their mouth shut. 1.00

02:47:01.000 Or a significant other who is a nurse or a myriad of different things.

02:47:06.000 Right, right, right, right.

02:47:08.000 And some of this stuff isn't hard to really learn either.

02:47:12.000 It's actually a pretty good profession is learning how to take...

02:47:19.000 As like a low barrier to entry, high paying job.

02:47:24.000 So like being somebody who takes blood is like, there's not much of a requirement from like credentials to be able to do it and it pays well per hour.

02:47:33.000 Yeah, and if you had a family member who's a phlebotomist and they could hook that up.

02:47:37.000 Yeah.

02:47:39.000 What are the other different ways that they can get it?

02:47:42.000 Like how rock solid is like, let's forget about drug sport, what they have now, but the USADA protocol that they were using before, what are the best ways to get around that?

02:47:54.000 Well, because they weren't actually testing almost at all for EPO and GH. What percentage were they testing for it?

02:48:03.000 You probably have to ask Hunter to confirm, but my understanding was, like, best case scenario, you were getting EPO tested if somebody, like, reported you as, like, you know, there's a bunch of people trying to out you as a cheater.

02:48:16.000 And again, is this a finance thing?

02:48:19.000 I think it was a lot finance and time intensive and...

02:48:24.000 Because some of this testing is not as rudimentary and crude as like, you know, just detection of synthetic steroids in your urine.

02:48:30.000 You have to actually like manually do work to like combust down and assess the ratio.

02:48:36.000 And there's like nuance in interpreting this stuff too.

02:48:38.000 Because a lot of times you will have an expert who has a different opinion than another expert in terms of if it looks weird.

02:48:46.000 So you have to like bring in multiple opinions to maybe of experts who then kind of come to a Consolidated answer on did you cheat or not?

02:48:54.000 And it gets pretty complicated so doing this at scale On a sport that has no off-season, with people globally competing, it's pretty fucking costly, for sure, to do properly.

02:49:07.000 Well, the MMA conspiracy theorists, they always point to people doing their camps in faraway lanes.

02:49:13.000 Like, what a good way to cheat.

02:49:15.000 Because if you want to do a camp in Dagestan...

02:49:18.000 Like, how many times is USADA going to Dagestan?

02:49:21.000 Yeah.

02:49:21.000 And what happens to those guys when they get over there and they get smacked up by those bearded dudes?

02:49:26.000 Yeah.

02:49:27.000 Imagine telling those guys, wake up at six o'clock in the morning.

02:49:30.000 Yeah.

02:49:31.000 They'll feed you their goats.

02:49:32.000 Yeah.

02:49:32.000 Like, what are you talking about?

02:49:33.000 Fuck you.

02:49:34.000 Come back tomorrow.

02:49:34.000 Yeah, fuck you.

02:49:36.000 Yeah.

02:49:36.000 No, it's...

02:49:39.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:49:53.000 You gotta wonder, like, I would like to see, like, what's the data on people that do their camp in Thailand?

02:49:59.000 How often are they tested versus a guy who's got a camp in Iowa?

02:50:03.000 And even, like, the rigor of the person who's hired to do the testing, because it's, like, how, you know, scrutinous is whoever you're outsourcing your hiring in that area to.

02:50:16.000 You know, they could be like a local who is, you know, like pledged allegiance to that fucking, you know, whatever.

02:50:23.000 So, I don't know, man.

02:50:24.000 It's tough for sure because there's no way to like truly bulletproof it, I think, but at least the UFC developments as of recent, they've confirmed they're doing like isotope ratio mass spec and...

02:50:36.000 Actually doing some of the higher level testing for bioidenticals that could catch the microdosing and the things that are very difficult to detect.

02:50:45.000 Stuff is still going to squeeze through for sure, but it's going to be better than it was where they were either not doing it or then letting people do it maybe and then asking them to be fucking snitches for them.

02:50:58.000 It used to be back in the day that there was always rumors of like big camps that would hire scientists and that, you know, they would figure out ways around.

02:51:09.000 Dude, that is a growing profession.

02:51:12.000 Is it?

02:51:12.000 Oh, yeah.

02:51:13.000 Yeah, there's like so many pharmacology nerds who are like, like I've even been asked to help people in the Olympics before.

02:51:20.000 Really?

02:51:21.000 Yeah.

02:51:22.000 Wow.

02:51:23.000 Because you're a pharmacological nerd.

02:51:24.000 Yeah.

02:51:25.000 Exactly.

02:51:26.000 And so these people ask you to cheat for them?

02:51:29.000 To help them cheat, yeah.

02:51:31.000 Which is also a criminal offense, my understanding, due to...

02:51:34.000 There's actually a law now.

02:51:35.000 It's like the Rod Chankov Act or something.

02:51:37.000 Oh, wow.

02:51:38.000 So if you help somebody, you're also doing a crime.

02:51:42.000 Ooh, wow.

02:51:44.000 Yeah.

02:51:45.000 So, you know, obviously not worth doing for me, so I never did it.

02:51:50.000 Well, especially something like the Olympics.

02:51:52.000 There's no money in it.

02:51:53.000 You're not making any money.

02:51:55.000 Which is crazy, yeah.

02:51:56.000 It's like pure pride for winning a medal.

02:52:00.000 It's pure exploitation.

02:52:01.000 That's what it is.

02:52:02.000 Because it's not like there's no money.

02:52:04.000 Like, why are you making all the money?

02:52:05.000 Well, these people are noble.

02:52:06.000 They don't want to get paid.

02:52:07.000 Like, no, you're just not paying them.

02:52:09.000 They don't even know how much money there was.

02:52:10.000 Because in 1936, there was no money, right?

02:52:12.000 There was no sponsors.

02:52:14.000 There was no nothing.

02:52:15.000 Yeah, I remember...

02:52:16.000 There was no TV. Yeah, that's a...

02:52:17.000 Okay, the bill makes it unlawful to knowingly influence or attempt to conspire to influence a major international sports competition by use of prohibited substance or prohibited method.

02:52:27.000 A violator is subject to criminal penalties, a fine, prison term of up to 10 years, or both, and a mandatory restitution.

02:52:35.000 Huh.

02:52:35.000 Yeah.

02:52:36.000 Interesting.

02:52:37.000 Yeah, there's definitely...

02:52:40.000 And when you hear about stuff like this, too, it's like there's always the thought in the back of your mind as a competitor, what are people doing that I'm not?

02:52:48.000 And curiosity strikes.

02:52:49.000 What do you think is the answer?

02:52:51.000 What's like the non-ideological, when you look at it objectively, you say, you know what?

02:52:58.000 What we should be doing is doing everything that works.

02:53:01.000 Or what we should be doing is have the most insane testing that everybody has to be 100% natural, no ifs, ands, or buts.

02:53:07.000 And there's no cheating.

02:53:08.000 That's really hard because I too have the same questions you had of the enhanced games where it's like, oh, we're going to have, you know, medical assessments that ensure safety and blah, blah, blah.

02:53:19.000 But it's like, if you're going full board, it's impossible to be healthy.

02:53:24.000 Insane.

02:53:25.000 Yeah.

02:53:25.000 So like, as much as you could argue, it's probably better to not be using Frankenstein designer drugs or doing weird methods to get around cheating.

02:53:34.000 The alternative is not necessarily far superior in terms of health, because if I'm allowed to use a gram of test, I'm not going to stop at 200 mg.

02:53:45.000 I'm going to go full fucking sauce to the tit.

02:53:48.000 Yeah, if you can get a physiological benefit of being on trend and just fucking completely roid it out of your mind.

02:53:55.000 Yeah, become like a fucking dopaminergic psycho and just like, you will absolutely take that risk, regardless of what it does to you.

02:54:03.000 Yeah, especially if you're trying to win, right?

02:54:05.000 If people are willing to cheat when it's really dangerous, you could lose the medal and you can get outed and publicly shamed like Ben Johnson.

02:54:12.000 Or you don't have to worry about that because they're allowing you to, but they would like you to take like a sustainable dose.

02:54:19.000 And you're like, fuck you with your sustainable...

02:54:21.000 I'm trying to be number one, bitch. 1.00

02:54:22.000 I love the idea of the enhanced games, by the way, but it's like, at least my concern would be what happens when you put up no guardrails, and then alternatively, if there are guardrails, now it's set up for corruption at the medical provider level who's assessing what you're healthy enough to do.

02:54:42.000 And like, you know, are you going in to get your blood drawn at the trough point after injections where things look like they're half out of your system versus before?

02:54:51.000 Like, it's almost like a new level of doping that would be introduced.

02:54:54.000 Right, right, right.

02:54:55.000 So, and I'm sure they're very well-spoken, eloquent guys who are on top of that stuff and I'm sure have answers to that or, you know, have some idea of what they're going to do.

02:55:07.000 But, like, those would be my questions as to...

02:55:10.000 And I'm not saying it needs to be safe.

02:55:12.000 Right.

02:55:12.000 It might just come down to accepting that this is the fucking chemical warfare games.

02:55:17.000 Right.

02:55:18.000 Yeah.

02:55:19.000 Which there's nothing wrong with that if you're going to expose yourself to that risk.

02:55:21.000 People do that in bodybuilding all the time.

02:55:23.000 That's like literally what bodybuilding is.

02:55:24.000 Yeah.

02:55:25.000 Yeah.

02:55:26.000 That's what's crazy, right?

02:55:27.000 Bodybuilding is a huge sport.

02:55:28.000 It's not possible without illegal drugs.

02:55:30.000 And there's no Rod Chankov act for bodybuilding either.

02:55:33.000 So there's like literal...

02:55:35.000 The guru stuff is crazy in bodybuilding.

02:55:38.000 Well, how do they get away with it since it's completely illegal?

02:55:42.000 I mean, obviously you're going to jail.

02:55:45.000 If I'm a guy who's arresting people who are on steroids, I go to Mr. Olympia.

02:55:49.000 I'm like, you're all in jail.

02:55:52.000 You'd think if you wanted to just hit your quota for the year, you'd just show up to the Olympia Expo and just be like, All of you, get in the fucking car.

02:55:59.000 Get in the paddy wagon.

02:56:00.000 Yeah.

02:56:00.000 I don't know, man.

02:56:02.000 How'd you get it?

02:56:04.000 When it comes to possession in the States and how scrutinous they are on anabolics, I think it's mostly if you're importing mass amounts that will flag you because you're likely a distributor at that point.

02:56:15.000 Okay.

02:56:16.000 So if it's personal amounts...

02:56:18.000 Typically, you would buy it domestically to not, like, red flag yourself, because I think in the mail, you can't even have your mail get checked if it's domestic.

02:56:27.000 So if you are buying from, you know, the other side of the country, no one would know that you were sent anything.

02:56:34.000 It's only if you're buying, like, growth hormone from China or something.

02:56:38.000 Oh, and then you get flagged.

02:56:40.000 And you have enough kits that happen to get flagged in customs, and they keep a note on your record of this guy might be doing something.

02:56:47.000 So he might be a steroid dealer.

02:56:48.000 Yeah.

02:56:49.000 And then they'll have sting operations and try and figure out who's actually distributing.

02:56:52.000 Because they have resource allocation bandwidth problems, too.

02:56:56.000 So they have to go after the big fish.

02:56:58.000 Right.

02:56:58.000 Do guys go to Mexico and bring them across the board?

02:57:01.000 Not anymore.

02:57:02.000 Now they used to?

02:57:03.000 Oh, yeah, back in the day.

02:57:04.000 Yeah, people would smuggle it up their ass to get it here.

02:57:07.000 Jesus Christ.

02:57:08.000 Imagine taking Trent that was in a guy's asshole. 0.69

02:57:12.000 Dan Bilzerian, he talked about how when he was in Buds, he would go with his buddies to get gear from Mexico, and then they'd smuggle it up their asses back into the U.S. Jesus Christ.

02:57:25.000 What if the bottle broke?

02:57:27.000 Fucking butthole glass cuts, buddy.

02:57:30.000 I watched that in a video.

02:57:31.000 It's called One Guy, One Cup.

02:57:33.000 Oh, yeah?

02:57:33.000 You ever seen that one?

02:57:34.000 No.

02:57:35.000 That was back in the lively days.

02:57:36.000 I saw the OG variant of that and never would I... Two Girls, One Cup?

02:57:40.000 I can't watch another one of those.

02:57:41.000 One Guy, One Cup is way more horrifying.

02:57:43.000 Really?

02:57:43.000 This guy sticks a mason jar up his asshole and it breaks.

02:57:46.000 I think it's a mason jar.

02:57:47.000 Some kind of a jar up his asshole and it breaks and it's just chunks of broken glass and blood fall onto the ground as he squats.

02:57:55.000 It's horrible.

02:57:56.000 But I watched it multiple times.

02:57:58.000 Goddamn.

02:57:59.000 There's a lot of crazy people in this world.

02:58:01.000 Do you think that...

02:58:02.000 I'm of the opinion.

02:58:04.000 Let me just say what I think.

02:58:05.000 I think that most substances should be legal.

02:58:09.000 And I think people should be able to figure out what's good and what's bad.

02:58:12.000 There's a lot of things that are legal.

02:58:13.000 Adderall's legal.

02:58:14.000 I don't take Adderall.

02:58:16.000 I'm 99% sure I have ADHD. I don't even know what it is.

02:58:20.000 I don't even know if it's real.

02:58:21.000 I think it's probably a superpower.

02:58:22.000 But if I went to a doctor and I was complaining about I can't focus on any one thing, I'm all over the place, they'd probably give me some.

02:58:29.000 And then I would have legal stimulants.

02:58:31.000 I don't think, probably think it's not good for you, so I don't take it.

02:58:36.000 But I could, right?

02:58:37.000 Why is that legal and cocaine's not?

02:58:39.000 Like, why is this legal and that's not?

02:58:42.000 Why is whiskey legal and marijuana's not?

02:58:44.000 This doesn't make any sense to me.

02:58:45.000 Why is Xanax legal, psilocybin's not?

02:58:48.000 Like, what are we doing?

02:58:49.000 Who gets to decide?

02:58:50.000 Well, you could argue that, well, that's the reason why clinical trials exist, which assess, you know, safety profiles of these drugs, and they wouldn't make it through otherwise.

02:58:58.000 But, like, obviously we've seen that that's not...

02:59:00.000 Once you get financial interest involved, it's kind of hard to overlook that a lot of shit makes it through that probably shouldn't have and stuff that maybe should have made it through or didn't make it through.

02:59:10.000 So, you know, like I am of the opinion that you should be able to take what you want and be educated about it hopefully first.

02:59:18.000 It's tough though because it's like if you have a guy who's...

02:59:21.000 Like, I don't know, manic?

02:59:23.000 And he has access to, like, meth and, like, pharma-grade meth at that or something?

02:59:28.000 Yeah.

02:59:28.000 Which actually exists, too.

02:59:30.000 Oh, yeah.

02:59:31.000 And you end up with, like, a Hitler or something. 0.82

02:59:33.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:59:35.000 The trend thing, is that the worst one psychologically?

02:59:39.000 From anabolic steroids, I would say probably that and then maybe secondary, you know, some people could argue halotestin is a drug that supposedly Mike Tyson was using when he bit Evander Holyfield's ear off.

02:59:53.000 Yeah, and it makes you like fucking short-term, acutely, extremely angry.

02:59:57.000 How did you hear that he was using that?

02:59:59.000 I don't remember exactly.

03:00:02.000 He didn't test positive for it.

03:00:04.000 I think it was just a very prevalent rumor.

03:00:07.000 They probably didn't test for it, though, either, right?

03:00:10.000 No, it was back then.

03:00:11.000 It was really easy to get around oral steroid detections back then as well, if they were even testing for it.

03:00:17.000 I don't even know if they were testing back then.

03:00:20.000 Tren is the worst offender for your psychological state, not just because the drug is...

03:00:28.000 Bad, but it also like ruins your sleep.

03:00:30.000 So you get like trend cough I mentioned, but trend sweats is another one where it almost induces like a menopause like hot flash sweating in your sleep and you wake up just fucking drenched and it like really fucks up your sleep and it makes you hyper paranoid as well,

03:00:47.000 which is no good because even though you're this jacked Sometimes confident guy, other times you're like, you're unreasonably insecure and you like, a very common outcome is for guys to think their girlfriends are cheating on them just out of nowhere by being on trend.

03:01:04.000 Really?

03:01:05.000 Yeah, and they end up becoming, you know...

03:01:07.000 Oddly behaving sexual deviancy is also a very common...

03:01:14.000 I've heard of that.

03:01:14.000 Yeah, on trend.

03:01:16.000 And it's thought to be the progestogenic activity because it's derived from nandrolone, which is a progesterone receptor agonist as well.

03:01:24.000 And progesterone is...

03:01:26.000 Thought to be very implicated in gay sexual tendencies as you grow up if you had a heightened exposure to progesterone in utero.

03:01:34.000 And highly dopaminergic drug as well, which in excess can cause really weird sexual deviancy as well.

03:01:42.000 And yeah, it's really fucking potent and good at what it does.

03:01:45.000 It builds lean mass and it's a really dry compound.

03:01:48.000 It doesn't make you watery.

03:01:49.000 It also has a unique anti-catabolic effect.

03:01:53.000 In a deficit, you keep muscle and sometimes even grow while you're cutting.

03:02:01.000 It's not like steroids don't all do that to some degree, more or less, but this drug is uniquely potent in its anti-catabolic action to where you could be like Extremely nutrient deprived and still hold on to a lot of your muscle.

03:02:15.000 Wow.

03:02:16.000 And because it's so good at making you extremely strong too, without an excess of body weight, it's like highly sought after in many sports because you don't have to worry about jumping up in weight class while you're getting the strength increase that is like humongous.

03:02:32.000 Wow.

03:02:32.000 Yeah.

03:02:33.000 So it was one of the drugs that was used in the Dutchess cocktail, which is what Rod Chankov would have his athletes swish around in their mouth.

03:02:40.000 Oh, really?

03:02:41.000 Yeah, it was absorbed bucally.

03:02:43.000 Whoa.

03:02:44.000 So it was almost like the equivalent of IV-ing the drug right into your bloodstream.

03:02:48.000 You would swish it around your mouth in this alcohol, and it would absorb bucally into the bloodstream immediately.

03:02:54.000 So you wouldn't have to actually have it go into your stomach and then get processed through a first-pass metabolism.

03:03:00.000 So you could get in and out of your system way faster.

03:03:04.000 Wow.

03:03:04.000 Yeah.

03:03:05.000 Wow.

03:03:07.000 So why is that one good for fighters?

03:03:09.000 I would think that, like, getting super emotional, though.

03:03:13.000 Yeah, you could argue that the emotional instability is not good.

03:03:16.000 Yeah.

03:03:17.000 Paranoia makes you very aggressive.

03:03:20.000 The psychoactive effects in the gym can be very helpful for training and stress resilience.

03:03:26.000 And some people, it's not everyone who becomes paranoid on it.

03:03:29.000 It's highly individual dependent.

03:03:31.000 Some people, you will often hear people say, oh, people overblow the side effects of training.

03:03:35.000 It's not that bad.

03:03:36.000 And then other people who will say it ruined their life.

03:03:39.000 It's highly individual dependent like any drug, but it's very good at making you extremely fucking strong without blowing you up with water retention and staving off loss of tissue while weight cutting as well.

03:03:54.000 There's another factor that comes with steroid users and that's the addiction to the feeling of being on steroids.

03:04:00.000 Yeah.

03:04:01.000 Because once they get off steroids and they don't feel like Superman anymore, they get real weirded out.

03:04:05.000 Yeah.

03:04:06.000 And they want to get back on again.

03:04:07.000 I've seen that.

03:04:08.000 Oh, yeah, dude.

03:04:09.000 It's, uh, the thing that will often kill people is the desire to maintain these huge sizes in perpetuity, too, because it's, like, ultimately, steroid use often stems from, like, body image insecurity.

03:04:25.000 So, if you achieve, you know, the outcome you sought with this thing, to think that you're going to be, you know, a confident person after you've lost the 30-40 pounds of lean that you gained, like, you were already probably somewhat mentally not perfect to begin with.

03:04:39.000 Except Dorian Yates.

03:04:42.000 That guy, he's a unique cat.

03:04:44.000 He's lost all the way.

03:04:45.000 He looks like a normal athlete now.

03:04:47.000 He's healthy.

03:04:48.000 Yeah, he had me on his podcast this year and he said anytime he's done seminars and people ask if he misses being a mass monster, he says they're more upset about it than I am.

03:05:01.000 He has a unique perspective on it, which is really cool to see.

03:05:05.000 He's very intelligent.

03:05:06.000 Yeah.

03:05:06.000 Yeah, very calm and, you know, just the way he approaches things.

03:05:09.000 But god damn, dude, when that guy was getting after it, he was one of the original freaks.

03:05:15.000 Yeah.

03:05:15.000 One of the first guys where you're just like, what?

03:05:18.000 Like, that's what they're pushing it to now?

03:05:19.000 Yeah, he left humanity behind.

03:05:21.000 He was so big, dude.

03:05:22.000 He was so big.

03:05:23.000 He was ridiculous.

03:05:24.000 If you think about what he looked like versus what Arnold looked like just a couple of decades earlier.

03:05:29.000 Oh.

03:05:30.000 Night and day.

03:05:31.000 Yeah, you could argue he was like the catalyst almost to a heightened standard of amount of muscle you need to be competitive.

03:05:39.000 I mean, he was so big he blew his bicep out and competed in one with a torn bicep.

03:05:43.000 Yeah.

03:05:44.000 Yeah, yeah.

03:05:45.000 With like a hole in his arm.

03:05:47.000 Yeah, that's fucked up when you get that big and you have to like worry about Exploding your fucking muscle every workout because you're so strong and that's what you need to lift to get the stimulus like that's crazy stuff Well, Ronnie Coleman's the crazy example of the price you pay for that like that guy's all fucked up now Yeah, yeah.

03:06:04.000 It makes you wonder if he would have been the bodybuilder he was if he just trained higher volume and, like, used higher reps, less weight.

03:06:13.000 Yeah.

03:06:14.000 Because literature now suggests that you don't need to necessarily train like that.

03:06:18.000 Look at the difference between the two of them.

03:06:19.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

03:06:20.000 Arnold on the left and Dorian on the right.

03:06:22.000 Dorian's twice the size.

03:06:24.000 Yeah.

03:06:24.000 That's fucking back, dude.

03:06:25.000 That's crazy.

03:06:27.000 That back isn't—not that Arnold isn't insane.

03:06:29.000 He was fucking pretty insane.

03:06:31.000 I actually think Arnold looks better.

03:06:33.000 Yeah, he's more aesthetic, for sure.

03:06:35.000 Oh, look at his back!

03:06:36.000 Look at Dorian Yates' back, and look at Ronnie Coleman's back!

03:06:39.000 Yeah.

03:06:41.000 Jeez, these guys were huge.

03:06:42.000 Ronnie Coleman was crazy, but Dorian was, like, weirdly thick.

03:06:47.000 Like, look how thick his fucking muscles are, man.

03:06:49.000 First of all, judging guys that are that big, good luck.

03:06:53.000 I don't get it.

03:06:54.000 They all look awesome.

03:06:55.000 They all look crazy.

03:06:56.000 Dude, it's even harder judging a bikini show. 0.99

03:06:59.000 So there's different classes at the Olympia, including women's bikini, and there's like a few poses.

03:07:06.000 Pull up a comparison of the women's Olympia for bikini.

03:07:09.000 What is the bikini versus regular Olympia?

03:07:12.000 Well, it's just like the best bikini competitors against each other for the Olympia crown of bikini category.

03:07:20.000 What's the bikini category versus the regular Miss Olympia category? 1.00

03:07:23.000 Miss Olympia is like bodybuilding. 1.00

03:07:25.000 Oh, this isn't bodybuilding?

03:07:27.000 Well, it's like a form of bodybuilding, but it's not the actual category.

03:07:31.000 Right, this is women who still look feminine. 1.00

03:07:33.000 So like, put it this way, with men, there's different categories.

03:07:37.000 There's open men's bodybuilding, classic physique, and men's physique.

03:07:41.000 And each of them has like an incremental noticeable difference in the amount of muscle you need to be competitive.

03:07:46.000 And in women, similar differences exist in categories where they have women's bikini, wellness, something else, and then bodybuilding is the one where you pretty much need to be on male-level steroids to be competitive. 0.99

03:08:01.000 And this is a reality of female bodybuilding, that a lot of female bodybuilders... 1.00

03:08:06.000 Look, I know female jiu-jitsu competitors that take steroids, which is crazy. 1.00

03:08:11.000 There's not even any money in that.

03:08:13.000 You're juicing yourself up.

03:08:14.000 But if you want to get that lean and maintain that much muscle as a woman, what do they take? 1.00

03:08:19.000 Well, for bikini, you might be able to do it naturally, but most of them are probably still taking a little bit something, but it's not masculinizing.

03:08:26.000 There's a lot of things they can take that are natural or over-the-counter or...

03:08:31.000 Like, super micro-dosed amounts of anabolics that don't cause masculinization.

03:08:36.000 But above that, the thresholds for categories above that are, like, if you go to women's bodybuilding, like, it looks like you remember it, where it's, you know, dudes with wigs on, basically, almost.

03:08:48.000 Yeah.

03:08:48.000 I mean, they're trans men, basically.

03:08:50.000 Basically, yeah.

03:08:51.000 Like, based on their hormone profile, they are more male than you and I, probably.

03:08:57.000 Whoa.

03:08:58.000 God.

03:08:58.000 Look at that lady.

03:08:59.000 That's crazy.

03:09:01.000 Is she Ms. Olympia? 0.81

03:09:02.000 Is she number one?

03:09:04.000 That's women's physique too, that's not women's bodybuilding. 1.00

03:09:07.000 What?

03:09:07.000 Yeah, so this is like a different category that's less muscle than bodybuilding.

03:09:15.000 So what's women's bodybuilding? 1.00

03:09:17.000 That lady? 1.00

03:09:18.000 Probably.

03:09:19.000 Who's Ms. Olympia? 1.00

03:09:21.000 Do they still have women's bodybuilding? 1.00

03:09:23.000 I think they do.

03:09:29.000 Yeah, that might be it.

03:09:30.000 Look at that lady down the lower left hand. 1.00

03:09:32.000 Jeez, those ladies are huge. 1.00

03:09:34.000 Oh my goodness, that's gotta be it.

03:09:35.000 Those are dudes.

03:09:37.000 That's a dude's body.

03:09:39.000 Like, size-wise.

03:09:40.000 Not saying you're a dude, ladies. 0.99

03:09:42.000 Don't hurt me.

03:09:43.000 Yeah, by the way, more power to anybody who wants to do whatever they want.

03:09:46.000 It's just like the reality of the exposure to these hormones is they are masculinizing and you can blame Biden for that.

03:09:54.000 Wow.

03:09:55.000 Yeah, because he stopped the development of them and by now we probably have non-masculinizing drugs that work as well as the ones that make you a dude.

03:10:02.000 Oh my god.

03:10:03.000 Have you ever thought about bailing out of Canada?

03:10:05.000 Dude, I would love to...

03:10:08.000 I've considered it, but there's weird stuff around, like, unrealized capital gains and exit taxes and shit that basically traps you there.

03:10:17.000 Really?

03:10:18.000 Yeah.

03:10:18.000 So, like, I could physically be present in the States and live here maybe for six months of a year, but...

03:10:24.000 To get out of the system fully, you've got to pay the piper on every company you've ever built, even if you don't have the money from it because you never sold it.

03:10:33.000 There's gains that were made in Canada, the value of it that you have to pay on.

03:10:37.000 It's like, how do you pay for it?

03:10:38.000 I don't have any fucking cash because I didn't sell the company.

03:10:41.000 So they make it very difficult to leave the country.

03:10:44.000 Yeah.

03:10:45.000 And maybe that changes with Pierre.

03:10:47.000 I don't know.

03:10:47.000 But, like, one of the main problems with the economy is there's no incentive for business owners that are doing well to stay.

03:10:54.000 Like, everything is structured around how do I get around this fucking system, not how do I stay here?

03:10:59.000 So, like, I know personally every friend I have that is successful has either already left or has tried to find a way to leave.

03:11:08.000 Yeah.

03:11:09.000 Actually, I know one person who hasn't, but he's like really entrenched in the system and like it would be impossible to unwind at this point.

03:11:18.000 So I don't know how much of it is he actually wants to be there or like it's a beautiful place to live in British Columbia, for example.

03:11:25.000 But like, yeah, it's fucking cost of living is obscene and the tax.

03:11:31.000 Some kids were doing a tick tock with food at a Canadian supermarket, like a bunch of chicken wings and how much it was.

03:11:37.000 Oh, the dollar, too, is horrible.

03:11:39.000 It's like a dollar.

03:11:40.000 Every dollar in U.S. currency equates to 140 Canadian.

03:11:45.000 Whoa.

03:11:46.000 Yeah, so your dollar goes super far in Canada.

03:11:49.000 140, Jesus.

03:11:51.000 And then to buy, like, I don't know, a shitty shack fucking house that's not even a house in Vancouver, it's like millions of dollars.

03:12:02.000 Yeah.

03:12:04.000 I think the cost of living is only exceeded maybe in real estate by like New York, maybe.

03:12:15.000 Wow.

03:12:16.000 Yeah.

03:12:16.000 It's like one of the worst offenders on the planet for cost of a home.

03:12:20.000 So basically, back in the day, our parents, one of the main ways to become financially stable was get in early on a property and And build equity in it and eventually you'd have something that accrued in so much value from since you got it that that's your main nest egg or whatever.

03:12:40.000 Nowadays, it's not even possible to afford the lowest threshold of a mortgage on a place that's not even nice.

03:12:48.000 So you have families staying in 500-square-foot apartments with big families because they can't afford anything else.

03:12:55.000 It says, Impossibly Unaffordable Housing Report ranks Vancouver third most expensive in the world.

03:13:01.000 Yeah.

03:13:02.000 Hong Kong and Sydney are the only two.

03:13:04.000 Wow.

03:13:04.000 Sydney?

03:13:05.000 That's interesting.

03:13:06.000 Huh.

03:13:07.000 I would have never suspected Sydney, Australia to be that expensive.

03:13:10.000 That's nuts.

03:13:11.000 Yeah.

03:13:12.000 Well, listen, brother.

03:13:12.000 Anything else you want to talk about before we bail out of here?

03:13:15.000 I think it was a good one.

03:13:16.000 Yeah.

03:13:17.000 A lot of fun.

03:13:18.000 Yeah.

03:13:18.000 Thanks for having me, man.

03:13:19.000 I appreciate you as always.

03:13:20.000 What's that, Jamie?

03:13:21.000 Miss Olympia Wellness we missed out on.

03:13:23.000 What's that?

03:13:24.000 A focus on the lower body.

03:13:25.000 What?

03:13:26.000 Oh, butts. 1.00

03:13:27.000 Yeah.

03:13:27.000 Top half doesn't matter.

03:13:27.000 Oh yeah, so I was gonna say...

03:13:28.000 Top half doesn't matter?

03:13:30.000 For real?

03:13:30.000 Shut the fuck up.

03:13:31.000 Why are they standing face forward then?

03:13:34.000 It's all about the glutes and hips. 1.00

03:13:34.000 Let's see them glutes. 1.00

03:13:35.000 It definitely matters, but not as much as...

03:13:39.000 Yeah, it's not focus, I should say.

03:13:40.000 Yeah.

03:13:40.000 So anyway, watching the posing...

03:13:43.000 You were saying it's hard to judge men's bodybuilding.

03:13:46.000 With women, it's... 1.00

03:13:48.000 At least with the bikini category especially, their hair is really long and they have extensions too to make it look even longer.

03:13:55.000 So when they turn around, basically the only thing you can judge is ass down, essentially, because their whole back is covered by hair.

03:14:01.000 Oh, that's weird.

03:14:02.000 Yeah, so it's like a pageant for your butt. 1.00

03:14:07.000 I'm all in.

03:14:07.000 By the way, any bikini competitor is probably fucking furious with that statement.

03:14:13.000 Well, they're on trend.

03:14:14.000 They're going to get angry.

03:14:15.000 Probably not, but they're judged on other things, but that's the main factor, basically.

03:14:21.000 Got it.

03:14:22.000 Okay.

03:14:22.000 All right, man.

03:14:23.000 Well, been a lot of fun.

03:14:24.000 More plates, more dates on YouTube.

03:14:28.000 What is your website?

03:14:30.000 Yeah, moreplacemoredays.com.

03:14:31.000 Anything else?

03:14:32.000 No, that's it.

03:14:33.000 Thanks for having me.

03:14:33.000 All right.

03:14:34.000 My pleasure, brother.

03:14:34.000 Always good to see you.

03:14:35.000 All right.

The Joe Rogan Experience - December 05, 2024

Joe Rogan Experience #2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates

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