In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, the boys discuss the recent shooting of a CEO at a company headquarters in New York City, and how to deal with it. They also talk about the fact that women on social media are now allowed to post naked pictures of themselves on the internet.
00:01:34.000I mean, I follow a lot of people on both X and Instagram.
00:01:37.000I don't know if it's necessarily a good thing, but when someone says something interesting or they post something interesting on Instagram, I just immediately follow.
00:03:53.000She's a 23-year-old big-tittied virgin.
00:03:55.000The only one that exists in the whole world.
00:03:59.000See, that's an interesting scenario, if true, because it's like a lot of dudes want to shit on these chicks for being like prostitutes, essentially.
00:04:13.000But, like, if she was actually a virgin, and she's posting, like, almost nude, but not quite, but making a bunch of money off it, there's, like, two contradictory things going on right now.
00:05:13.000What would suck, too, is if you went full board and you did, like, actual porn and just got, like, banged on camera just for thinking you're going to become a multimillionaire and then you still are, like...
00:05:25.000You would have to get banged on camera a lot for years to really develop a fan base.
00:05:29.000And you have to do a really good job, like, every time.
00:06:50.000Are you going to pick a relationship over this guy who may or may not be DMing his ex-girlfriend?
00:06:56.000You're going to throw it all away and throw away this $40 million a year empire you've created?
00:07:01.000Or are you trapped in that essentially forever?
00:07:07.000Yeah, it's interesting, the thresholds, though, too, of where they become successful for what they're doing, because it seems like some of them don't have to show their asshole.
00:07:24.000But why would they pay for that when there's so much of that for free on Instagram?
00:07:28.000I know, that's, like, the common question.
00:07:30.000My search page on Instagram is all butts.
00:07:34.000I assume it's something to do with like you follow this person and like you get a bigger hit of dopamine probably from being able to potentially see more revealing something from somebody that you are like a fan of already.
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00:09:52.000Well, there was some Google guy, some executive at Google that was warning about what's going to happen with AI girlfriends, with these sort of indistinguishable AI girlfriends that are going to interact with guys, and how this is going to create profound loneliness and all sorts of real problems.
00:11:42.000And if you can get those dumbasses that work at Subway to donate $5 a month and you get enough of them, Have you seen the UFC collab with that OnlyFans chick?
00:12:12.000And then it gets tons of views, and there's a bunch of guys freaking out because she's Disrespecting a nice piece of machinery or whatever, but at the end of the day she gets views from it and then more people go to her page and sign up to it.
00:17:35.000If he wasn't 36 when he entered into the UFC, that's how old he was when he first started fighting.
00:17:42.000He was already past his professional prime when he first started fighting in the UFC. If he had gotten into MMA when he was 20, probably nobody would have ever beaten him.
00:18:09.000I think maybe he had one other fight other than that, but you know, he was knocking guys dead at 40. Dude, the cost of March 7th, 2020. There you go.
00:18:22.000So that was his last fight in the UFC. So the last four years, he's been competing for Bellator, and so they're a little less stringent.
00:18:31.000They don't have a USADA deal or now whatever it's called, Drug Free Sport, I think they call it now.
00:18:58.000Yeah, so basically, and this was like a WADA press release too, so it's not like it was some journalist or something, it's like on the official WADA site, and they were basically exposing how USADA was covering up test results.
00:19:24.000And essentially, they disclosed what they had tested positive for, and even that one of them was an Olympic-caliber athlete, and their entire career, they got to go until retirement without getting exposed just because they helped USADA supposedly catch other people.
00:20:32.000No one's dying from BBC 157. Within the code, there's a provision whereby an athlete who provides substantial assistance can subsequently apply to have a proportion of their period of ineligibility suspended.
00:20:52.000It means you're allowing them to cheat.
00:20:55.000However, there's a clear process for that, which does not involve allowing those who have cheated to continue to compete while they may or may not gather incriminating...
00:21:09.000At the bottom, WADA is now aware of at least three cases where athletes who had committed serious anti-doping rule violations were allowed to continue to compete for years while they acted as undercover agents.
00:21:19.000Okay, so they pretended that they wouldn't let someone compete if they were doping, but they still did.
00:21:30.000Imagine if that's like boxing in the Olympics or something like that.
00:21:33.000The athlete was allowed to line up against their unknowing competitors as if they had never cheated.
00:21:38.000In that case, when USADA eventually admitted to WADA what had been going on, it advised that any publication of consequences or disqualification of results would put the athlete's security at risk.
00:21:54.000Were they worried about that with Lance Armstrong?
00:21:56.000What the fuck are you talking about, security at risk?
00:21:59.000In another case of a high-level athlete, USADA never notified WADA of its decision to lift an athlete's provisional suspension, which is an appealable decision despite being required to do so under the code.
00:22:10.000Had WADA been notified, it would have never allowed this.
00:22:16.000And it sounds like this was somewhat how they operated, as if they had a high-profile enough person or certain circumstances, they would kind of autonomously decide, hey, if you work alongside us to catch other people because you might know something that we don't or what have you, then we'll just let you...
00:22:43.000What's really crazy is, I mean, according to the UFC, so what happened was the UFC had some disputes with them and decided to sever their relationship.
00:22:52.000And then USADA, like, publicly said that UFC is going to allow their competitors to do steroids now.
00:23:14.000The standards are actually much higher now, too, in contrast.
00:23:19.000Like, you said I would claim, or at least suggest, that they were doing full-spectrum, bulletproof testing, but it turned out they were almost never EPO testing.
00:23:29.000The HGH testing was never really done, and then also the isoform, what was it, the isotope ratio mass spec was not really being done either.
00:23:47.000And also time intensive for some of these tests as well.
00:23:51.000And I guess for the number of tests they were conducting, perhaps it was too extensive.
00:23:55.000Or I don't really know what the exact motivation was.
00:23:58.000Often you would think it comes down to budget and time, but...
00:24:01.000Also, if you have an expert who just thinks it's not warranted to go further, like the same way if you went to a doctor and you'd be like, should I test this?
00:24:09.000They'll be like, oh, if we know this, like, who cares?
00:24:12.000Like, I don't necessarily know they went to the depth and rigor to claim somebody did or didn't cheat if I have, you know, preliminary data that you would exclude having to go further.
00:24:26.000You know, test further if there's not an atypical finding.
00:24:30.000Yeah, but like, if they're not testing for EPO, for example, and maybe there's an event in Mexico City, right, which is 7,700 feet above sea level, that place is brutal.
00:24:42.000That's where Cain Velasquez, who was known as probably the greatest cardio heavyweight of all time, he fought Fabricio Verdum and he did not prepare properly.
00:24:54.000Fabricio actually moved to the mountains above Mexico City and trained there for like four months.
00:25:00.000So Fabricio, who speaks fluent Spanish, lived in Mexico, he really got ready and he beat Cain Velasquez that night to become the champion.
00:25:07.000And he had tremendous cardio and Cain was just dying.
00:25:13.000So imagine when you're competing at that altitude or maybe Colorado Springs or one of these really high altitude places, which we have events, Salt Lake City, and you don't test for EPO? Yeah, no, I'm saying.
00:25:27.000That's crazy because that's the place where you would do it, particularly if like you're defending your title or you're challenging for a title.
00:25:34.000Yeah, and it's like some of this stuff, even if you're looking for it, is quite difficult to detect anyway.
00:25:39.000It's like micro dosing EPO is still, they're trying to refine the parameters and determine with greater scrutiny how to detect it.
00:25:46.000How long is the life that's detectable inside your body?
00:25:51.000I believe it's like a few days, and that's if you're using like...
00:25:56.000That's not a microdose protocol either.
00:25:58.000Well, how much of a benefit do you get from microdosing?
00:26:05.000Even just retaining your baseline parameters of your weight cutting can be quite helpful.
00:26:11.000So it's almost like offsetting, for example, the suppression of hormones or the suppression of like...
00:26:17.000Any sort of parameter that would decrease with heavy nutrient deprivation, if you can sustain it at normal, is performance enhancing in contrast to your competitors who are also weight cutting and might not have the same advantages.
00:26:29.000Well, that's why TJ Dillashaw did it when he was dropping down the flyweight to fight Henry Cejudo, which is when he got popped.
00:26:36.000And, you know, but he looked like a skeleton.
00:26:42.000I might be misspeaking on the detection time of EPO, by the way, but it's at minimum the microdose protocols that are being implemented still.
00:26:50.000Even most recent literature, you find upwards of 50% of the studied participants where they're actually looking for it still pass their testing.
00:27:03.000Well, one of the things that I've read about sauna is that sauna use, especially like directly after cardio, imparts like a microdose EPO effect.
00:27:22.000Well, maybe we could find it, but I know it's helped my cardio.
00:27:25.000It helped significantly because I went through an injury once where I couldn't do any kickboxing or any hitting the bag or anything for quite a while.
00:27:33.000And whenever I did come back from like three or four months off of that, it would be the first few days were fucking brutal.
00:27:55.000Plasma volume, when you sit in a sauna, you sweat, which comes from blood plasma.
00:28:00.000As your blood plasma levels decrease, your kidneys release EPO. So how do they detect endogenous versus exogenous EPO? It's similar to how they would detect for bioidentical testosterone and other hormones.
00:28:15.000They look for, does it look like an endogenous signature?
00:28:20.000So different compounds, there's different ways to analyze, but in general it's going to be Either the molecular mass of it or something to that effect would have a blatant difference between what you would make naturally endogenously versus exogenous origin, which is the way they make it in a lab, does not necessarily look exactly the same.
00:28:42.000So even though it's EPO that you're injecting, it's actually like recombinant, aka made in a lab, and not like...
00:28:48.000It's not like they're literally pulling EPO out of a guy and then giving it to you.
00:28:52.000It's like grown in a lab, essentially.
00:28:55.000Well, that was one of the things that Jeff Nowitzki actually said could be an issue, is that it is It's possible, at least theoretically, to take testosterone from animals.
00:29:26.000They use soy to, like the phyto, some of the compounds in the soy as well as the yams look similar molecularly to the cholesterol that would get basically enzymatically converted to testosterone.
00:29:41.000So you can just manipulate that slightly to have like a highly reproducible at scale for low cost way to make hormones.
00:29:57.000Yeah, it's associated with high estrogen levels.
00:29:59.000Yeah, I think the two primary ways they synthesize testosterone now is soy and yams.
00:30:05.000So Nowitzki was saying that, at least in theory, a really good scientist could actually extract it from animals, and then it would be impossible to differentiate.
00:30:15.000Yeah, I think maybe the first time I came on we talked about the carbon isotope ratio testing and having a CIR proof testosterone formulation and if athletes are doing that and I did dig into it after we talked about it a bit more and it does seem like there's strong evidence that suggests they're aware of it and are trying to find new ways to refine even the carbon isotope ratio testing.
00:30:39.000Now they're looking at like hydrogen ratios Because it's more minute and specific, apparently, as opposed to with the carbon content.
00:30:47.000They've seen suspicious testosterone formulations that look similar to endogenous carbon isotope signatures.
00:30:55.000And your diet, even what you ingest, can change what your signature is, too.
00:31:00.000Because they have to use, as like a reference, they use, for example, from your urine, they'll find some other compound that is upstream from testosterone, for example.
00:31:18.000And then if your testosterone has a different carbon isotope ratio than this, they know that, okay, however you got this in your body is different than the upstream hormone.
00:31:30.000So through that, we can infer that, you know, it's probably of exogenous origin.
00:31:36.000But if the exogenous origin one looks like the upstream hormones, you would never be able to tell.
00:31:43.000So it's possible if you were sophisticated enough to make the exogenous look like the upstream even though you've injected it.
00:31:52.000Yeah, and if you had animal-grade testosterone or cholesterol even from a medical-grade compound facility or something, you could probably react it down and create a CIR-proof testosterone.
00:32:06.000God, it seems like it would be hard to keep that under wraps for very long without it getting out.
00:32:11.000Maybe, yeah, but it's like the access to lab equipment and high-level testing is not as, the barrier is a lot lower than it used to be, for sure.
00:32:20.000Like there are, I even have heard of people paying off WADA accredited labs to get like testing done.
00:32:39.000There's water-accredited labs, not just in the States, but like in other countries where they're a bit more corrupt and you can, you know, persuade them to test your samples.
00:32:48.000Oh, so you send your piss to Guatemala or somewhere.
00:32:59.000But, yeah, if you do enough homework, you can, you know, develop a biological passport internally with your own team and, you know, know you're bulletproof rather than just guessing.
00:34:29.000With Olympic testing, oftentimes the positive test results come retroactively to years in the past.
00:34:37.000Once they've refined the testing and Actually are able to detect, you know, long-term metabolites of Terenabol or something of that nature.
00:34:44.000But in a lot of sports, like especially in the U.S. for like traditional professional sports, they're not storing urine, typically.
00:34:53.000So if you have more refined tests and get developed, oftentimes there's no way to actually penalize an athlete who was ahead of the testing curve at the time.
00:35:04.000At least from what I've seen, there's a really good paper.
00:35:08.000One of the guys I know who's on the inside on this, his name is Alex Cagliari-Turner.
00:35:13.000He has excellent information and studies on this stuff, but he did a paper that basically outlined how I think 75% of the medalists that have tested positive in the Olympics at the Summer Olympic Games for the past, I don't know, it was like a full decade of analyzation, It was like 75% of them tested years later, not at the actual time of winning their medal.
00:35:35.000So if they're only being popped, you know, three out of four people are getting popped retroactively over a half decade later or more, based on advancements in testing, you can just imagine how many sports are getting away with passing testing given that retroactively they're not being tested at all.
00:35:56.000So it's like if you're ahead of the curve now, there are a lot of sports where as long as you pass the test now, even if what you took had a more refined assay developed, you know, five years from now, they're not going to go get your sample and retry it.
00:36:36.000And it's like, you know, you could say it's corruption or you could say it's, you know, people trying to, the sport trying to cover it up, but I think sometimes it's just like budget constraints too, because it's like, you still have to be a profitable enterprise and...
00:37:17.000Now, obviously, you have to actually beat the test now, which is more and more rigorous by the year, of course, but at least historically, what we've seen is the testing usually lags behind the methods that are being developed to get around it.
00:37:32.000Is there anything right now that is not being tested for that you think is effective?
00:37:40.000Yeah, like in general, the most effective stuff is going to be bioidenticals, which are being tested for, but it's like at the scale, it's kind of up for debate because sometimes they don't test at all.
00:37:52.000Like, you know, we saw with USADA, they were barely doing adequate in-depth testing for bioidenticals with no EPO testing or HGH testing.
00:38:03.000Probably the go-tos, you know, like EPO especially and HGH. There are other compounds that I think some people think they can get away with that sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.
00:38:22.000It's like an angina medication that the entire China Olympic team got popped for a few years back.
00:38:29.000Yeah, it was like 23 Chinese swimmers before the Tokyo Olympics got popped using this thing, and then they claimed it was like food contamination or something, and they were like, oh, I guess that's what happened.
00:38:43.000And then a bunch of those, two of those athletes won medals in the recent Paris Olympics, and 11 of them were allowed to compete still.
00:38:53.000It shifts your efficiency of fuel utilization.
00:38:58.000So basically, in general, to create ATP, your body would oxidize fatty acids as well as glucose.
00:39:05.000And in endurance events, which is heavily oxygen sapping, if you can shift, which is what this drug does, It inhibits a process by which your body proportionally oxidizes more glucose than fatty acids, which is a less oxygen-intensive process.
00:39:22.000So you can basically conserve oxygen proportional to the amount of ATP you're producing.
00:39:29.000So in an endurance event, if you can have more oxygen for less cost internally, then it's highly performance enhancing.
00:39:40.000You know, it's kind of speculative as to if it's actually performance enhancing, but it's kind of a weird coincidence how many people have popped for this drug.
00:39:47.000Oh, by the way, the first time I was here, you said the Russian Olympics, the only people who didn't pop were the figure skaters.
00:40:16.000You can nudge him, keep him from fucking snoring so loud.
00:40:21.000But they found that testosterone and things along those lines, actual steroids, it was not good to be stronger as a figure skater, that it didn't enhance.
00:40:31.000But that was Gregory, whatever his name was, from Icarus.
00:40:36.000Yeah, yeah, and I could see, obviously the compound selection will differ greatly depending on what sport, because there are some sports where being heavier is going to be problematic, and you might want something that could enhance, I don't know, your cognitive capacity, or whatever it may be, or slow down your heart rate, for example, for archery, or different applications, for sure.
00:43:49.000So I was developing, like, severe pain in my lower back on my right side that led to, like, sciatica.
00:44:00.000Developing some severe neck pain on my right side.
00:44:03.000So this is, it's all, it's really an unbalanced thing, right?
00:44:07.000Because I really should draw something back with my, I should probably like at least draw back my bow with my left hand as many times I draw back with my right, but I don't.
00:44:19.000It's 84 pounds to pull it back, at least for the beginning of the cycle.
00:44:23.000And then the cams rotate over and it significantly lowers.
00:44:25.000Like the holding weight is – I think my holding weight is like 20 percent, 20 or 25 percent of the actual weight of the bow.
00:44:33.000But what happens is as you're pulling back and you lock it in place, the way archery works is you want to – what's called pull at the wall, right?
00:44:42.000So where the string hits the end where it can't pull anymore on a compound bow, I'm pulling hard against that wall so I'm steady, right?
00:44:51.000And then I'm trying to relax this shoulder and pull and I'm stabilizing everything with this lower back, with my lower back muscle.
00:44:58.000So on my right side, it was just getting locked up, like painful and stiff and sore.
00:45:05.000Like hurt even when I walk and I would just keep going I'd do it for hours three hours a day Just hours and hours and hours and I just developed a real problem to the point where like when I was the last trip when I was going up hills my My hips were getting numb like my glutes weren't firing.
00:45:22.000I was getting sciatic pain It was pretty bad So, I knew after hunting season was over, I was going to have to dress it.
00:45:29.000So, I got some stem cell shots, which definitely helped.
00:46:35.000So do you find that more effective than stem cells?
00:46:38.000No, I think it's the combination of things.
00:46:39.000It's very hard to tell, like, what is actually working.
00:46:43.000But when you add one thing, and then all of a sudden you get a significant response, I'm assuming that this new fit thing is having at least responsible for...
00:46:54.000I mean, there's some sort of synergistic effect, right?
00:49:13.000There was a place in Boston when I lived there in the 80s that had that.
00:49:19.000I forget what it was called, but you would basically go there and their claim was they would get you, you'd have a six-pack, you'd get jacked, and all you have to do is lay there.
00:49:28.000You lay there and they'd put these electrodes on you just...
00:49:32.000Have you ever seen those ancient belly-shaking things for women to lose body fat?
00:49:40.000Like back in the 40s, they just sit there shaking back and forth?
00:49:43.000No, I'm sure it's more effective than that, obviously, which did nothing, but I don't think it's a replacement.
00:49:49.000And I would imagine, I would speculate, that the time it would take to stimulate yourself, if it's for hypertrophy, if you just worked out more, you'd probably get better results.
00:50:29.000I think if you were injured, it probably has a lot of viability, but I would be highly suspect of it being used for, like, a guy trying to break a plateau who's a veteran lifter, for example.
00:51:10.000Yeah, it's so genetically predetermined, seemingly, that, you know, you'll have guys who are top Olympia-caliber bodybuilders, and if they haven't had calves for their whole career, they don't suddenly develop them, even though they obviously know how to train.
00:51:24.000And then people will shit on them and say, you have no calves, bro.
00:51:35.000They lag behind significantly, and it's pretty obvious when somebody has a lagging body part when they're on stage.
00:51:41.000But it is, like, a very, very difficult area to locally, you know, if you don't have the genetics for it and the muscle bellies, it's very difficult to make a bad-looking calf look good.
00:51:54.000It's weird because you get a guy like John where everything else is pretty big.
00:54:08.000With a lot of guys, especially wrestlers, where they get strained from is someone grabbing them with a collar tie and pulling their head down and they get it real low and then they're resisting that.
00:54:31.000So what the Iron Neck does that I really like is you're rotating and you can adjust the resistance on the rotation.
00:54:39.000So you have this halo, you put it on your head, you pump it like a Reebok pump, and if form fits to your head, you put a chin strap on, and then you back up.
00:54:49.000And so it's got a bungee cord, so a very stiff rubber cord.
00:54:53.000And as you're pulling back, you have a lot of resistance this way.
00:54:56.000And then you could Rotate, and then on the rotation you can adjust the resistance.
00:55:45.000This wrestler bridge does strengthen your neck, but at a cost.
00:55:50.000And I don't think it's at a cost for everybody.
00:55:52.000I think it probably can be done safely, but I think you probably have to scale up very slowly and very carefully.
00:56:00.000And make sure that you have the supporting tissue and strength around that to not compromise your discs when you're in these reared positions.
00:56:10.000You're never supposed to have at least bridging with 60% of your weight sideways on your neck like this and then roll it over to the side and then roll it over to the side while you're putting all the weight on the back of your head or on your forehead.
00:57:59.000You last two minutes and then you'll be dead.
00:58:01.000So what he does is he looks so relaxed and then he explodes on you.
00:58:05.000And when he explodes on people, they don't see it coming because he's lulled you into this false sense of security by this slower speed that he moves at.
00:58:13.000Did you ever see his knockout of Chris Weidman?
01:00:27.000Fucking tune you up in those first couple rounds if you were like Nate Diaz some indestructible zombie and then you get into the later rounds and you're fucking tired like how is this guy still here and then Nate is just like slapping you and beating you up and Nate can push that 50% pace forever.
01:00:47.000They'll just touch you all the time and you can't breathe because you don't have the time to relax, right?
01:00:53.000So if he's constantly hitting you with punches that aren't that hard you're like Because you're always like because you don't know if these punches are gonna be hard and then occasionally would mix them up with like really hard shots And so you always have to be ready for the hard shot.
01:01:07.000So you never get to breathe you never get to relax So you're constantly on edge and you just get worn out and he's Relaxed because he's just hitting you and touching you and he's talking shit to you.
01:01:20.000They keep hitting you this like 50% like literally like this not really trying to hurt you at all just just Just constantly making you tense up and just drain your gas tank.
01:03:23.000One of the island's enduring mysteries told the true story of three men, Frank Morris and the brothers Clarence and John Anglin, who made it out of the prison in June of 1962, were never seen again.
01:03:35.000Nobody knows for sure whether they made good on their escape or drowned in the attempt.
01:03:39.000True stories like that and others embellished tales of man-eating sharks and killer currents spread by prison guards as a deterrent contributed to the mythology of unassailable Alcatraz and the impossible swim.
01:03:52.000Well, it's definitely not impossible, because Nick Diaz has done it five fucking times.
01:07:24.000He was getting his ass kicked for four rounds and then finally almost fucks him up.
01:07:29.000Yeah, yeah, it's crazy when it comes down to like, you know, do or die mode, how many times it almost turns around.
01:07:36.000Well, it's also crazy that a guy like him, who is pretty heavily muscled, and is just such a fucking training machine, that he has that ultimate gas tank, even in the fifth round, just explode.
01:07:50.000And like, in the fifth round, he was going hard.
01:07:52.000Which is why I always thought he was a super dangerous fight for Conor.
01:07:57.000Yeah, he almost seems like a better cardio like Sean Shirk or something.
01:08:54.000All your momentum is coming in, and he would counter you.
01:08:57.000And he was just so skillful and he was like a computer.
01:09:02.000He would, the first minute of the round, first fight, like first round of the fight, you would see him moving around and just like trying things on you and just sort of downloading your movements and what you're capable of.
01:09:14.000He would see you swing, like, okay, I got that.
01:09:42.000The thing about fighters when they fight past their prime is you get these guys like Anderson that fight into their 40s and you remember them from their later fights.
01:09:50.000You don't remember them when they were unstoppable.
01:09:54.000Like when Anderson was in his prime, he's one of the greatest fighters that's ever lived.
01:12:29.000But I think there's another issue to talk about, and that is that A lot of fighters, when they've sustained a significant amount of damage over the course of their career, and there's no way to not get that, right?
01:12:43.000We've all seen Conor get beat up and knocked out.
01:12:54.000And a lot of fighters, especially towards the end of their career, turn to drugs.
01:13:00.000And I think there's probably like a constant state of discomfort that they live in, where their dopamine levels are all fucked up, their cortisol levels are all fucked up, their bodies just...
01:13:12.000You're not supposed to get punched in the head a thousand times a year.
01:13:18.000And that's the reality of consistent training.
01:13:20.000So if you think about consistent training, like say you and me are sparring, We meet at the gym three times a week, and we spar three times a week.
01:13:29.000Let's say we spar five rounds three times a week.
01:13:49.000Sparring light is important, but Subconcussive trauma to the head is what causes soccer players to get CTE. Now, soccer players are getting CTE from a soccer ball.
01:14:25.000He works with a lot of veterans that suffer from CTE and uses a lot of hormone replacement to help them because a lot of it is damage to the pituitary gland.
01:14:35.000Your endocrine system gets fucked up from, you know, breaches, you know, explosions, blown up in IEDs, all those kind of things.
01:15:16.000And if you're doing that over the course of a 10, 15 year career, think about all those camps, all those rounds, all those times you sparred.
01:15:26.000And not just sparred that way, how many collisions?
01:15:29.000How many times I've been collided with doing jujitsu?
01:15:33.000You accidentally butt heads, you accidentally take a knee to the head, you accidentally take an elbow to the head.
01:16:03.000You know, they want to fight in a cage for a living.
01:16:06.000That's how they literally feed themselves, by beating the fuck out of skilled people.
01:16:11.000Yeah, I can imagine something like the brain cell death that literally occurs could almost result in a perpetual state of you now need drugs to achieve, like baseline even, to feel normal.
01:16:24.000There's a drug I didn't mention earlier, but it's worth mentioning, you said, what's not being tested for that's useful.
01:16:29.000In fighters, something called cerebrolysin is used to offset brain damage after fights and not being tested for by WADA yet.
01:17:11.000It's the pipeline of it getting through a clinical, like getting a clinical application, it's still in experimental phases.
01:17:18.000So I could see why it hasn't been getting widespread recognition.
01:17:23.000And for all we know, it's not going to prove to be super effective, but at least anecdotally, from people I know who've used it, highly effective for neurogenesis.
01:17:31.000Yeah, what about someone who doesn't have brain damage, just wants to get really smart?
01:18:16.000Another thing that not being tested for, which I don't think it should be, but like creatine at adequate doses, interestingly, for years, we've all been told take your five grams and you're good.
01:18:27.000But what's often not talked about is the fact that that dosage is not going to be widespread, the optimal one for every single person.
01:18:35.000You will likely achieve muscle saturation with that dose, but it doesn't mean you're going to get the full suite of benefits depending on your genetics, how much you weigh, muscle mass, metabolism.
01:18:46.000Right, 5 grams for a 140-pound person versus a 240-pound person.
01:18:49.000Yeah, so some studies have found increased benefits up to 20 grams a day.
01:19:55.000There's different formats, but some are like HCL is essentially just bound to HCL instead of monohydrate, which could be more tolerable for somebody who gets GI distress from monohydrate.
01:20:08.000Thought to be, you know, water solubility and other things, but in general monohydrate is the one that has the most literature supporting it, is tried and true, it's cheaper, easier to access.
01:20:20.000Isn't there some other stuff, H-something that you take in combination with it?
01:20:33.000That's, I believe, a metabolite of leucine, which basically stimulates mTOR.
01:20:40.000So it could be useful for, I think, people who are not getting a sufficient amount of protein in their diet and need something to stimulate mTOR for adequate muscle protein synthesis.
01:20:52.000So like, I don't know, older people who don't get enough protein, for example.
01:21:10.000Some studies have found that upwards of one gram per pound of body weight per day could be beneficial, and most people aren't getting that.
01:21:23.000It's pretty fucking hard to get your body weight and protein per day if you're not supplementing with protein, you're just eating meat and like animal-derived sources.
01:21:32.000And then even harder if you're a vegetarian too.
01:21:34.000If you're just eating meat and animal-derived sources, it's hard?
01:21:38.000For, I think, for a lot of people, to get high quality, just, if you're going to eat over, I don't know, a pound and a half to two pounds of meat a day, like, you could hit your needs pretty easily.
01:22:34.000I forget how many pounds of meat you need to saturate creatine stores or at least the equivalent of five grams, but you'd probably still benefit from trying supplementing more.
01:23:18.000One of the most slept on supplements for sure.
01:23:21.000I think it kind of got, I don't know, like not as much attention as it deserves.
01:23:25.000Maybe more recently it's gotten a bit more hype because of some of the literature around its cognitive effects and whatnot.
01:23:31.000But it's like super useful for a myriad of things.
01:23:35.000What is the mechanism for it giving you a cognitive enhancing benefit?
01:23:40.000I think it's thought to be like local energy production in the brain.
01:23:45.000So some people genetically or as they age or what have you have deficiencies in the capacity to produce ATP. And if you can like backfill it with like a readily available source of phosphocreatine, then you could basically get it to baseline of where it should be.
01:24:02.000It makes you wonder, people that are on a vegan diet, what are their creatine levels like?
01:24:11.000Even if you're somebody who eats a lot of meat, you might think you're good, but unless you're eating multiple pounds a day, it's unlikely that you've saturated stores.
01:24:21.000Well, that's like one of the more insidious things about these people that are proselytizers.
01:24:28.000We're just trying to get people to become vegan.
01:24:30.000And one of the things that they say is that it'll improve your athletic performance, which is like straight horseshit.
01:24:36.000I don't know of any elite athlete at the very top of any sport that's a vegan.
01:24:42.000No, I know some IFBB pros who are vegan, but they do a lot to optimize their diets that requires like special protein supplements and this and that.
01:24:58.000Yeah, there are definitely successful, like, people who thrive, I think, doing vegan diets, but oftentimes it is more meticulous in the planning needed to, like, actually make it so you can thrive on it, as opposed to, like...
01:25:19.000You can be stupid and still cover your bases, essentially.
01:25:23.000So the difference between one thing is like if someone say, well, a pound of broccoli will equal X amount of steak in terms of the amount of protein, but it's not the same bioavailability.
01:25:36.000Yeah, like the amino acid composition is not going to be the same, and it might not even stimulate muscle protein synthesis to the capacity that is needed to actually be anabolic.
01:25:46.000Some vegans, I would assume, might actually benefit from supplementing with essential amino acids on top of their meals just because they're not hitting a leucine threshold.
01:25:57.000And that's where an HMB also could maybe have use as well.
01:26:02.000And is creatine, is it sourced in a vegan way?
01:26:06.000Or is any of it derived from animal sources?
01:26:24.000Well, it just takes so many brilliant people working in so many different capacities to create, like, all the stuff that we have available right now.
01:26:32.000Yeah, some dude took a fucking yam and was like, hey, these chemicals look similar to these chemicals that we make in our balls.
01:26:40.000Let's tweak it and let's sell it to people as testosterone.
01:27:04.000No, I think more awareness is coming to it, but also in women for HRT, which is, you could argue, even more of a necessity than, at least with men, a lot can maintain residual...
01:27:18.000Hormone production to some capacity that could sustain good health long term.
01:27:23.000But with women, once you hit menopause, you are guaranteed to have a complete cessation of estrogen and progesterone production to where you are guaranteed putting your brain and heart in danger if you don't replace those hormones.
01:27:37.000So it's almost like, I don't know, like unwinding some of the shitty information that was put out decades ago on That's the thing for women.
01:27:45.000There was a lot of shitty information put out about hormone replacement.
01:27:49.000Yeah, I think it was the Women's Health Initiative.
01:27:51.000They had some study that showed like a relative risk increase in breast cancer or something to the tune of some negligible, insignificant amount.
01:28:00.000And they were also using synthetic drugs as opposed to bioidentical.
01:28:05.000So it'd be like the equivalent of me putting you on DECA and then being like, oh, well, you got cancer, so testosterone sucks.
01:28:15.000So they were using like horse piss derived estrogens or something and then like some shady progestin and determining, oh, HRT is bad because of some also relatively insignificant increase in cancer risk, which at least to date in bioidentical hormones we have not seen play out. which at least to date in bioidentical hormones we have And the upside far outweighs the risk seemingly that we can see right now.
01:28:39.000It's just not really permeated the, I don't know, like masses yet.
01:28:45.000Well, think about how many fucking people are on testosterone replacement therapy and how few of them you know that have problems.
01:28:51.000I don't know of anybody that has a problem with it.
01:28:53.000I know of so many people that have been enhanced by it and they feel so much better.
01:28:56.000They have so much more energy, more life.
01:29:25.000When you hear about studies that like, you know, when the sugar industry funded those studies to demonize saturated fat, because they were trying to say that saturated fat was causing heart attacks and not sugar.
01:29:36.000When you see about, and I think they only paid them like $50,000 or something crazy.
01:29:55.000If they paid them 50 million, you'd be like, well, you know, you're unethical, but hey, if somebody offered me 50 million, who knows what I would do?
01:31:26.000Have you been following the boxing gold medal debacle?
01:31:32.000First of all, XY chromosome, case closed.
01:31:36.000And this is what the Enhanced Game wants to do.
01:31:38.000So the Enhanced Games, they're developing this...
01:31:42.000It's an Olympic-style event, and they're spending a lot of money on it.
01:31:45.000They have a lot of big investors, and they're going to give real prizes, like a million dollars if you win the gold medal, instead of zero, which is what the Olympics gives.
01:31:54.000And I asked them, I'm like, how are you going to address trans athletes?
01:31:58.000And they said, we think we're going to do chromosomes.
01:32:25.000And then since then, it's been like these weird nuanced scenarios with, oh, is your testosterone-level looking male or whatever?
01:32:32.000And, you know, it gets nuanced with the type of, like...
01:32:38.000Disorder you have because some are far more advantageous than others.
01:32:42.000And if this medical report that was leaked of this boxer is true, it's basically the worst offender of the disorders you could have because it's basically like a 5-alpha reductase deficiency is...
01:32:56.000Basically just depriving your body of DHT, but if you have internal testes making testosterone, you still have the full functional capacity of a male to build muscle and bone, and all the psychoactive effects and all that.
01:33:10.000Now, to be determined, which I think that that athlete should go get the testing to actually disprove it if it was true, or if it wasn't true, but...
01:33:39.000I had internal testes, XY chromosomes, 5-alpha reductase deficiency, and had the testosterone levels of a male because of the internal testes.
01:33:48.000And you might grow up thinking that you are female because you haven't had adequate sexual differentiation and maturation from the lack of DHT. So it's almost like the equivalent of putting A kid at birth on like a mega dose of finasteride or dutasteride and wiping out their DHT. So they still grow up with male level muscle development from the testosterone,
01:34:13.000but not sufficient masculinization to differentiate you and mature you completely from the DHT. Well, let's see what is the latest on this.
01:34:24.000So let's find out what is the leaked story on this boxer and find out, like, has anybody analyzed this?
01:34:34.000Is there any, like, conclusion that anybody's drawn?
01:35:13.000So if they're suing over that, they can actually win that lawsuit.
01:35:16.000No, but they're suing over something in the French media because they've gotten...
01:35:20.000And I feel like the Olympic Committee probably has to lean into the whole politically correct angle of it, too, to not get the scrutiny of you let this person punch women in the head.
01:36:05.000But there's been multiple studies or multiple articles written saying that this person has XY chromosomes.
01:36:13.000That was a supposed failed gender eligibility test from some organization that...
01:36:19.000Yeah, International Boxing Association did not allow her to participate in 2023 World Championships after she failed gender eligibility tests.
01:36:27.000But the International Olympic Committee did authorize her presence at Paris 2024. But here's the thing, like, is this...
01:36:35.000When they say the International Olympic Committee did authorize, what are they...
01:37:48.000I could just say I'm a female, show up with a full beard.
01:37:51.000Genetic marker you select doesn't need to match your gender on your citizenship evidence or photo ID. So the reason why this works is I don't know what's going on inside you.
01:38:03.000I could be arrogant and completely Not compassionate and I could just decide that you're just full of shit.
01:38:14.000You're a guy or you could be in agony Going through life feeling like a woman and not understanding why you have a dick I think there's that too, but like I talked about in my comedy special Perverts disappeared like the flu during COVID. Like they don't exist anymore.
01:38:34.000Like a guy in a dress who gets a hard-on going into the women's room is a woman now.
01:39:04.000And so anyone who just says they're a woman gets to go in the women's room, go in the women's locker, play in women's sports, and you're completely ignoring this subset of society that has always been fucking terrifying to people.
01:39:18.000Creepy guys who dress up like women, who pretend to be women, are just perverts.
01:39:23.000They just want to sneak around women's room and smell their shit.
01:39:26.000There's people that are out of their mind, and you've given them a hall pass.
01:39:30.000Yeah, like, I could empathize with somebody who didn't know and then became aware of it, and then once they became aware of it, they stopped competing.
01:39:41.000It would suck for everyone involved, obviously, but, like, I could understand, like, how shitty of a predicament that is.
01:40:17.000So there are guys with naturally lower testosterone that are guys like, say, Yoel Romero.
01:40:22.000Yoel Romero has an advantage over almost everybody.
01:40:25.000You know, when it comes to like genetics, he's just like a fucking specimen from God, right?
01:40:30.000So you have that, which is the rarest of rare, right?
01:40:33.000And then you have a guy like, you know, fill in the blank.
01:40:37.000There's like a bunch of fighters in the UFC. I don't want to disparage anybody.
01:40:39.000But there's a bunch of guys, you look at them, you're like, that's not a specimen.
01:40:42.000But super tough, super technical, works real hard, very intelligent in their approach, and they manage to fight really well.
01:40:49.000But if they go up against a guy who's a freak, just a physical freak, and that guy works just as hard, and is just as intelligent, and just as methodical in their training, they're gonna have an advantage.
01:41:51.000It's just a completely different dynamic.
01:41:54.000So, when you're comparing, like, trans this and trans that, like, there's not a guy I've ever talked to in my life that doesn't, that is even remotely concerned with a trans man going into the men's room.
01:42:28.000If Chaz is in the men's room and I have a two-year-old son with me that I have to take into the bathroom and go to the bathroom, I'm not worried about Chaz Bono.
01:42:39.000If I was a guy and I had a daughter and she was like 10 years old and she went into the women's room and then I saw a man with a fucking 5 o'clock shadow and a wig on go into the bathroom behind her and I couldn't go in the women's room and see what's going on.
01:42:57.000That might just be a really kind person who identifies as a woman and happens to have a beard, or it could be a complete fucking psycho, which are real things.
01:43:05.000And by being this compassionate person, I'm supposed to ignore the reality of psychos.
01:44:02.000It just came about because he was doing, you know, we were talking about it and it got to the subject of trans women competing and his position was like, I'm in favor of a sport that's more inclusive.
01:44:14.000So if that makes it more inclusive for trans women and He was like, in favor of hormone blockers for children that they've always known that they're a woman.
01:45:18.000If you say anything, you say, oh, this person who's clearly mentally ill might actually be mentally ill and might actually have Munchausen syndrome.
01:45:26.000They might be doing something terrible to their child because they're just fucking nuts and they want a trans kid so they could fly it as a...
01:45:33.000They could put their pride flag on their fucking front door and they feel like a better person.
01:46:54.000It's like, if you asked me, would it be good milk quality from some guy on Tren or Deca and he's just fucking secreting shit out of his nipples, I'd be like, fuck no, dude.
01:48:19.000And in contrast to Trudeau, who's like a fucking gong show.
01:48:23.000Full-on lunatic, who's completely changed his tune on so many different things, including going after guns, what they did with the trucker strike.
01:48:32.000Yeah, like the debanking thing you guys talked about recently, it's like not new news in Canada.
01:48:38.000Well, they did it to people who donated to the trucker convoy, which is really crazy.
01:48:43.000So you just say, hey, these people shouldn't be mandated to get a vaccine that has a safety profile that's really like, we don't really know yet.
01:49:16.000So they went and looked over what the actual results were from the pandemic and the findings are...
01:49:24.000They're, you know, not that shocking to anybody who was actually paying attention, but completely contrary to what the instructions were when we were young, or when, you know, COVID was recent, rather.
01:49:36.000So COVID-19, this is the House released a 500-page report on COVID-19 pandemic.
01:49:42.000Key findings, COVID-19 likely originated from a lab-related incident in Wuhan, China.
01:49:51.000Okay, over $200 billion in relief funds lost to fraud, with criminals exploiting weak oversight, prolonged lockdowns and arbitrary mandates cause severe harm, economic devastation, mental health crises, and historic learning loss.
01:50:08.000While lacking robust scientific support, policies ignored natural immunity pushing mandates that eroded trust and harmed public perception of science.
01:50:19.000WHO and CDC compromised by political interference offering inconsistent unscientific guidance that fueled public distrust and the key players included federal agencies and Cuomo's administration actively obstructed oversight efforts and hid critical evidence.
01:50:55.000In Canada, the lockdowns were pretty absurd.
01:50:58.000I know here, it depended on the state and whatever, but Canada was like, get your vaccines or you're not leaving to go anywhere, basically.
01:51:19.000Well, from what I understand, I talked to a friend of mine who's very knowledgeable in this, and he said that one of the real problems was the lack of aspiration, that they didn't aspirate when they injected people.
01:51:30.000Even when they did Biden on television, they just jammed that thing into his arm and shot it in there.
01:51:34.000So is it supposed to stay like local or something?
01:51:38.000The idea about it was it's supposed to stay local, right?
01:51:42.000But apparently there's been – if you talk to Brett Weinstein, a bunch of other people, there's a lot of debate as to whether or not it is ever local, that they've been able to find the evidence of the spike protein all throughout the body.
01:51:53.000The issue though was if you didn't aspirate and you went right into a blood vessel – So that could be the cause of myocarditis, all these different neurological conditions, all these different things.
01:52:06.000So the lipid nanoparticles and this vaccine gets in your system, your body reacts to it like it's being attacked, right?
01:52:15.000Well, if it gets to the heart, your heart doesn't heal, right?
01:52:19.000Which is why your heart doesn't get cancer.
01:52:41.000This is what my friend told me, who's a very intelligent person, I want to name him.
01:52:45.000But he said that the real issue is that they didn't aspirate.
01:52:49.000And a significant number of people that are experiencing these long-term issues from the vaccine, it's because it went right into their bloodstream when it was supposed to be intramuscular.
01:52:58.000There is several times now, because especially if you're on TRT, you're probably more understanding of how to inject yourself almost than somebody who's like a random pharmacist that just jamming people as fast as they want every single day just as part of their gig.
01:53:15.000And you're kind of risking it if you just let somebody else pin you.
01:53:18.000Like sometimes you feel like being like, hey, can I do this?
01:53:31.000Yeah, so it's thought to be that if you get into, like you nick a vein or something, or you hit a blood vessel, for example, and you get some of it bleeding immediately into systemic circulation rather than being intramuscular entirely, It goes very quickly up to your lungs and you basically have a coughing fit get induced by your body trying to like expel whatever is there.
01:53:56.000And so like I could absolutely see something that wasn't meant to go immediately into systemic circulation being more problematic.
01:54:04.000Like with Trend Cough, I've experienced it personally back in the day.
01:54:07.000This is like one of the most sobering things about bodybuilding is if you get Trenkhoff, it's like the most pathetic scenario you'll ever find yourself in because you're just this muscle-bound dude who just injected yourself with like cattle steroids and you're just looking at yourself in the mirror, hacking up a lung, sweating your fucking face off like, what am I doing with my life?
01:54:27.000And you can't get around it other than just like cough a lung for three minutes.
01:54:32.000It takes three minutes for it to go away?
01:54:33.000It depends, but like how much you have and all this, a bunch of stuff.
01:54:38.000But yeah, it's like basically if it happens, you can feel it coming on.
01:54:41.000You just like fucking brace yourself on the sink and you get ready to hack up a lung for a few minutes.
01:54:45.000Jesus, and is it a consistent thing or is it a one-time thing, like right after injection or is it something that recurs?
01:54:51.000It's after injection, but it's like, you know, who knows what that does once you get like solvents and fucking, you know, like whatever else is in your compound, in your solution into systemic circulation immediately.
01:55:04.000What is, Tren is something that the craziest of people that I know have taken, including like jujitsu guys that really want to get super jacked.
01:55:24.000Yeah, and it used to be used in, for like, I forget what the clinical application was, but it was a pharmaceutical-approved steroid back in the 80s, and then was, you know, basically taken off the market similar to around the same time that, interestingly enough, Biden was the one who spearheaded getting, like, steroids scheduled, essentially.
01:55:48.000He was, like, at the forefront of pushing for the banning of them or scheduling them.
01:55:52.000If I don't have muscles, nobody has muscles.
01:55:54.000Yeah, and that's like he's blamed often by the bodybuilding community for the lack of refinements and anabolic steroids because now we're stuck with the same drugs we've been using since like the 80s.
01:56:04.000So like every drug category has had significant refinements over the years to make them more effective, less side effect ridden, etc.
01:56:12.000Like GLP-1 medications, for example, highly effective and constantly being like lightning through pipelines to create really, really refined ones that are less problematic.
01:56:23.000And with steroids, that was being done in the 80s.
01:56:27.000And then once there was, you know, the Ben Johnson debacle, I believe it was, that brought all this, you know, public outcry out.
01:56:36.000Yeah, and getting positive for Winstroll, I think, and people were like, is this just going to become like a fucking...
01:56:44.000Like, chemical warfare, essentially, in the Olympics, and whoever's doped the most is going to win, and people are freaking out, and the response was Biden getting it, including testosterone, scheduled.
01:56:55.000Yeah, and then there was this huge stigma developed around them, and the taboo of being on steroids was developed, and that's kind of what led to this probably slowing down progress decades and likely preventing people from getting steroids developed that were far less likely to kill them.
01:57:13.000So we could have like a really refined, highly effective compounds by now that don't make your heart explode if they just continue probably.
01:57:23.000Well, I know that one state, I think it was Oregon, essentially decriminalized everything.
01:57:29.000I think they've taken that back now because I think it was like, Oregon's a disaster anyway, Portland in particular.
01:57:37.000Needles and drug addicts and it's like open-air drug marts everywhere because all the homelessness and the camping on the street the tent situation there is fucking nuts and they're super tolerant progressive people so like overwhelmingly right so they just look at it like in terms of compassion for these people we need to fund them and you're basically giving them money to stay homeless it's really nuts So when a society like that decriminalizes everything, we're just going to have fucking...
01:58:05.000People are going to go haywire with meth and whatever else they want to get.
01:58:18.000I would be curious, even if it was decriminalized, though, what the access would be like, because it's still going to be contingent on compounding pharmacies being able to make stuff legally, which...
01:58:28.000From what I understand, it's actually getting worse scrutiny as opposed to it getting better.
01:58:34.000Well, they're scrutinizing peptides now, which is really crazy.
01:58:38.000Oregon law rolling back drug decriminalization takes effect making possession a crime again.
01:58:48.000So the Democratic-controlled legislature passed the recriminalization law in March, overhauling a measure approved by 58% of voters in 2020 that made possessing illicit drugs like heroin punishable by a ticket and a maximum $100 fine.
01:59:02.000The measure directed hundreds of millions of dollars in cannabis tax revenue towards addiction services, but the money was slow to get out the door at a time when the fentanyl crisis was causing a spike in deadly overdoses in health officials.
01:59:14.000Grappling with the COVID-19 pandemic, we're struggling to stand up the new treatment system state auditors found.
01:59:21.000Okay, so they just couldn't keep up with what was...
01:59:24.000They didn't follow through with the whole idea of these addiction centers and rehabilitation centers.
01:59:33.000Yeah, and like some of this stuff is like...
01:59:37.000I don't even know how much it would help being able to possess something when you can't even get it prescribed to begin with.
01:59:45.000If you're allowed to get cocaine, if you're allowed to possess cocaine, are you buying fentanyl-laced cocaine from the cartel?
01:59:51.000Yeah, like in Canada, I'm pretty sure it's not a crime to possess steroids, but to sell it and distribute it, it is a crime, and there's still no pharmacies that are making pharmaceutical-grade steroids that aren't testosterone.
02:00:06.000Could a pharmacy make it and give it away?
02:00:09.000Have you had some Elon Musk type fucking crazy person?
02:01:17.000It's like, why are you passing laws when there's not an issue?
02:01:21.000Yeah, I don't know what the effect of RFK will be, but it sounds like he might be able to influence things now in a positive direction to that stuff.
02:01:43.000Yeah, so that's good, and he also is open to the idea of changing the classification of psychedelics as well, which I think is going to be really important to people.
02:01:55.000There's a lot of things that morons are preventing society from using, and that's really all it is.
02:02:00.000People who are ignorant to the effects, they're ignorant to all of it, and they're compromised generally by pharmaceutical drug companies.
02:02:08.000Yeah, I definitely think psychedelics have utility.
02:02:10.000One thing I do see that freaks me out, though, is people permanently changing their brain chemistry with, like, heavy ayahuasca exposure or whatever.
02:02:22.000I've seen multiple cases of this on social media, as well as in real life, people have gone, like, retreats, and then come back unrecognizable in their demeanor and how they behave.
02:03:07.000If you lie and say you're black and you're actually white, and you work for the NAACP, like the Rachel Dolezal lady, kind of mentally ill, right?
02:03:34.000Just super jacked, you know, and then gets caught.
02:03:38.000Okay, so now he has to come out and say that he's now imagine You've never been famous and then all of a sudden you are really really famous really quickly over the course of a few years like social media all over tick-tock your Profile is elevated the point where you could say to the regular person street, you know who liverking is like oh, yeah that roided up guy and Everybody knows who he is.
02:04:02.000Then the hate, because your labs come out and it finds out he's on a shitload of things.
02:04:15.000Everyone says that, though, too, but a lot of people believe them.
02:04:19.000Well, a lot of people are just ignorant, right?
02:04:21.000But the people that knew, like yourself, 100%, you knew that that guy was on steroids, right?
02:04:27.000So then imagine the anxiety that comes with being exposed and then the hate.
02:04:34.000I don't know what this dude does in terms of social media if he reads comments, but just imagine the psychological effect of being bombarded by people calling you a piece of shit and a liar and a fraud all day long.
02:04:51.000Every time you check your Instagram or whatever you got, your YouTube, the comments are Filled with people who hate you.
02:05:15.000For him specifically, either if he did psychedelics or not, I'm pretty sure he's talked about it openly, but it was just like some of the videos were really odd, and it kind of reflected behavior I've seen of people who have experiences gone awry, but certainly not representative of what happens if it's done properly.
02:05:33.000Well, I think it depends on if it's done properly to who.
02:05:37.000Yeah, like your baseline state and what you're...
02:06:14.000I've seen it I've seen it with multiple people where they were really normal and then all of a sudden they start talking to you about like you know like someone's talking to them in their head and there's a chip and Elon Musk is gonna have them be the king of Mars and like people lose their shit man and they they go into this world of paranoid fantasy and delusion and it's horrible to see especially if someone do you care about it's really fucking weird and Kills your REM sleep, too.
02:06:43.000Yeah, well, if you're using it to sleep, it can reduce sleep latency, but significantly harms REM sleep, so you might not be getting quality sleep every night, which exacerbates the effect.
02:06:57.000Sober October, when we do Sober October, like, immediately have these wild dreams, like, super vivid dreams, and I'm like, where have these things been?
02:08:12.000Okay, if you're a gambling addict and you're losing your house and your children don't have food, okay, that's a detrimental addiction.
02:08:19.000But if you're addicted to exercise and you're super fit because of it, you're going to live longer and you're healthy as fuck and you look great.
02:09:09.000If it's positive, it's probably the best thing you could hope for as long as you don't go over the top, which is pretty difficult to do with health stuff.
02:09:16.000Well, you can break yourself down with overtraining.
02:09:19.000I would say my good friend David Goggins is breaking his body down with overtraining.
02:09:25.000He's got no cartilage in his knees and he's running thousands of miles.
02:09:48.000They had to cut his knee because it's bone on bone.
02:09:52.000His bone was distorting so much by growing to kind of like deal with the inflammation and like it's like some, I forget what it's called, something wolf syndrome something.
02:10:03.000So they had to cut his leg, cut his fucking tibia bone and shift it down so that it's flat.
02:10:32.000He took his cage down though, didn't he?
02:10:35.000Yeah, I think he was off social media for a while, and I was actually going to do a podcast with him last year, and then it didn't end up working out, and he's available and into the idea still.
02:12:16.000Are you going to wear your hips out earlier?
02:12:18.000Your body probably has to compensate for these freakishly long shins now.
02:12:23.000Yeah, and this guy, too, he's a unique phenomenon, even among the people doing this crazy surgery, because he got the full six inches, which is not necessarily typical, having both bones broken to do it.
02:12:38.000And then maxing it out at the weight he's at, too.
02:12:42.000So he has to support the recovery on like a, I can imagine, seemingly like 300 plus frame or something.
02:13:51.000See, I would be, my curiosity is, how athletic were they prior, and then what is their maximal, like, what's their max out point of recovery in contrast to their baseline?
02:14:02.000Because, yeah, you could show me a box jump that looks like you're somewhat functional, but...
02:14:32.000Now, there was one guy, Jamie, that you pulled up before who had it done, and they showed him doing some athletic drills, like cone drills and coordination drills, and he looked fucking great.
02:14:44.000He looked like a real athlete, even though he got it done.
02:14:47.000It didn't look like it was, unless he's just unbelievably athletic before and maintained a lot of it.
02:14:52.000I would like to know, did you have a decrease?
02:14:55.000You obviously look insane right now, but what did you used to be able to do?
02:14:59.000Yeah, some of the stuff I'm curious about, too, is how much of the content you see online is sponsored versus actual user content just reviewing their experience.
02:15:10.000Because you could see, for example, hair transplants.
02:15:15.000Tons of people get sent fully paid to go get a transplant done as long as they speak positively about it and whatever.
02:15:24.000So imagine a guy who's getting specialized attention, which you would want if you're getting your fucking legs broken.
02:15:42.000That's also one of those things where if you're a social media influencer, you probably want to appear like you're doing all the right things.
02:16:34.000Dude, even gaining a bit of muscle can throw off your depth perception of how strong...
02:16:40.000Like, for example, when I was in high school, I played basketball, and I started working out in grade 11 and gained like 50 pounds in a year.
02:16:49.000My three-pointer that used to be just fucking money every time I knew exactly how to shoot the ball.
02:16:57.000It was just second nature because you've been doing it for a decade or whatever.
02:17:02.000And then all of a sudden you add this extra force production that you're not accounting for.
02:17:07.000All of a sudden everything's thrown off.
02:17:09.000And also you're sore all the time because you're always lifting, which makes you tight.
02:17:13.000Yeah, it became a brick house after that.
02:17:15.000It's a giant problem with pool, you know?
02:18:36.000Yeah, this is one of those examples where like, you know, in MMA too, like if you gain a bunch of muscle from drugs even, like it's not necessarily beneficial.
02:18:44.000Your mobility could be inhibited flexibility, gas out quicker.
02:18:48.000Even in BJJ, it's like, and you can sauce to the tits, but like it might not be helpful to the capacity you can actually push it.
02:18:56.000You know, you might gas out quicker, all of a sudden you can't do things that you used to do.
02:19:00.000I think the key is moderation and lifting in regard to, unless you're on the sauce, you know, if you're doing anything like MMA or any skill-based thing.
02:19:11.000Because as soon as you're tight and sore, you're not going to learn well.
02:19:15.000You're not going to have a snap to your punches.
02:19:22.000Fluidity like some of the hardest techniques almost look effortless because there's a fluidity to the like if you're landing a kick for example like a hard kick like a spinning back kick like what John Jones knocked out Stipe Miocic with there's a there's a dance going on with your nervous system with all your muscles moving in coordination if you think of how complex that movement is right he's standing like this sideways and he's looking for them and at the right moment Uh
02:24:12.000John could make light heavyweight, 100%.
02:24:14.000He weights 230 right now, maybe a little less than 230. There's no doubt in my mind that if John just changed his diet and went back, he hasn't put that much mass on that you would say 205 is out of reach.
02:26:46.000Like I've seen a lot of heavyweight, even Francis, who's like the greatest, scariest power striker I've ever seen in the heavyweight division.
02:27:46.000He's 14 years at the top, 14 years, and they're debating whether or not he's the pound-for-pound best fighter alive right now.
02:27:56.000Islam Makachev currently holds that standing, and I think that is voted amongst experts.
02:28:02.000I think that's what, you know, air quotes, experts.
02:28:04.000Some of these guys don't know jack shit.
02:28:06.000There's guys who vote on this that literally have never rolled a day in their life, and that's a fact.
02:28:11.000The meme's pretty funny though, where it's like, every time Dana says John Jones is the best, and they'll put it in front of like, it'll be like, I don't know, some obscene scenario.
02:28:21.000It'll be like somebody getting a terminal illness diagnosis or something, and then Dana White comes in and he's like, but John Jones is the best fucking fighter of all time.
02:28:29.000I want to make sure that what I said was accurate.
02:28:32.000Who does get to decide what the pound for pound list is?
02:28:35.000I believe it's MMA journalists and experts.
02:28:39.000Now, there's MMA journalists that I know that are really nice guys, and I don't want to say any names, but I know they never worked out a fucking day in their life.
02:28:45.000And they love the sport, and they cover it fairly, and they're very knowledgeable, and they're very good at reciting stats and understanding things, but how much do you really know?
02:28:55.000Ratings were generated by a voting panel made up of media members.
02:30:56.000And I would not have been mad at that.
02:30:57.000And I might go back and watch it again and decide Dominic Reyes won that fight.
02:31:03.000But there's those 10-9 rounds that are like, I don't know, you could say 10-9 John or 10-9 Dominic, and either way, you've lost the title or you've won the title back.
02:33:48.000Yeah, I remember the first time I was here, we were talking about how this guy...
02:33:52.000Pereira is the only one who's ever beat Adesanya, and he seems like this fucking assassin.
02:33:57.000We were like, oh, that's an interesting timeline.
02:34:00.000Didn't know it would transpire into this degree of success where not only does he beat him, but then he switches divisions, fucking smokes that division too.
02:34:11.000And the only reason why he didn't stay at middleweight, he's literally killing himself to get to 185. And I think that likely contributed to the KO, too.
02:34:20.000Like, Adesanya landed a perfect right hand.
02:34:23.000That right hand is gonna fuck him up every day of the week, no matter what you weigh.
02:34:28.000And the timing, the way he did it, like, leaning up against the cage and just looked for the opening and just caught him coming in, bang, dropped him, hit him with the left hook, put the arrows into him when he's down.
02:35:47.000He used to be so exciting, and now it's just kind of like has different strategies each time, and then, I don't know, it just doesn't seem to be working out.
02:35:54.000It's hard to know what happens to a guy when he gets really owned.
02:36:43.000But then he fought a guy who was just way more slick.
02:36:47.000And Adesanya just was piecing him up in a way where he couldn't respond.
02:36:53.000What he was doing was a very effective strategy on people that weren't as skillful as Adesanya.
02:37:00.000But that strategy, Adesanya was easily exploiting.
02:37:03.000He was like exploiting him with distance and with feints and distant management and chopping at the legs and just he had him all fucked up by the end of the first round.
02:37:11.000He was realizing I can't touch this guy and he keeps hitting me.
02:37:14.000And when he would touch Izzy, Izzy would be rolling with the punches or he'd block the kick and just move away from it as he's getting hit and then just keep stabbing at him from a distance.
02:37:27.000That's Izzy in his prime when he was at the top of the food chain.
02:37:30.000And at that moment, he fought the best Israel Adesanya that's ever been.
02:37:35.000And that's like we were talking about, like, how good does a guy compete in that one step, this gap of a couple of years or three years where he's just in his prime.
02:37:48.000That was Izzy in his prime, which is one of the greatest fighters of all time, against Paulo Costa, who just didn't have the answers to that.
02:37:55.000And once you've been bested like that, and a guy dry-humps you when you're down, he beats your ass, TKO's you, and then humps you.
02:38:02.000You're just like, I thought I was the man.
02:38:20.000He fought Marvin Vittori and they were supposed to be fighting at 185 and they fought at like 205 and he still looked like he was out of shape.
02:38:25.000He looked like he's mentally all fucked up from that fight.
02:38:29.000Yeah, I can imagine the downward spiral that you would have to try and contend with as well after you go from top rank to, I think he's lost like three in a row.
02:39:09.000But I guess if you want to be controversial, and Craig is certainly controversial, and you want to get a lot of attention, it got a lot of attention.
02:41:04.000Just supplies of baby oil in that water and they'd bathe in it.
02:41:09.000Then they would wash themselves off, dry themselves off, and then to the touch their skin would not feel like oil at all until they started sweating.
02:41:17.000And then when they started sweating, they'd be like a fish.
02:43:22.000So he didn't give blood, but had blood removed from his body and chilled in his room so that he can make weight and then went back up to his room and got that blood put back in his body after his body probably, you know, resupplied itself with a significant amount of it, depending on how much time it is between the fact they withdraw the blood.
02:43:41.000I don't know how much time, but you could think about like how much weight blood is.
02:43:45.000And if you can get like How much can you take while you're still conscious?
02:43:50.000But you take these bags of blood and keep them chilled and then let your body refill and re-proliferate with blood and then go back into the room and now you're blood doping with your own blood.
02:44:03.000Totally undetectable and you made weight with blood cutting.
02:44:06.000Yeah, and that's like another micro-dose vector that people use still to this day.
02:44:14.000Well, there's probably multiple factors where you're not allowed to get IVs, and that might be one of them.
02:44:19.000Yeah, but it's like detecting that is always just through your data that they have to assess, or they assess for plastics in your bloodstream, which you can get around just by storage technique.
02:44:31.000Plastics in your bloodstream, would you get around that if you injected it with a glass vial and a needle as opposed to a bag?
02:44:41.000I think some people are freezing as opposed to just storing it in liquid format and then whatever you're storing it in, it can all make a difference in terms of like...
02:45:12.000And it's like, at least of the doping methods, one of the least easy to detect, because there's no substance that is stimulating anything.
02:45:21.000It's just your own blood that was supposed to be there.
02:45:24.000Right, so the only way they'd be able to detect is to detect whether or not you've had an IV. Well, it would be like they'd look at your biological passport data and see unusual elevation of hemoglobin hematocrit probably around an event, and you would also see a disproportionate suppression of reticulocytes, which are like immature red blood cells.
02:45:47.000Because if your body has, similar to testosterone, if you administer it, you stop producing naturally.
02:45:52.000So if you put in exogenous blood, you're going to suppress the natural production of red blood cells because you have an adequate supply.
02:46:00.000So you would have a disproportionate ratio between...
02:46:08.000And it's like, why is this differential so significant all of a sudden?
02:46:12.000And it might flag an atypical finding and get further scrutiny.
02:46:16.000And, yeah, with blood transfusions, because there's no way to really prove anything, oftentimes penalizations occur based on, like, it looks so fucked up that we have to penalize you because we assumed you did it.
02:47:08.000And some of this stuff isn't hard to really learn either.
02:47:12.000It's actually a pretty good profession is learning how to take...
02:47:19.000As like a low barrier to entry, high paying job.
02:47:24.000So like being somebody who takes blood is like, there's not much of a requirement from like credentials to be able to do it and it pays well per hour.
02:47:33.000Yeah, and if you had a family member who's a phlebotomist and they could hook that up.
02:47:39.000What are the other different ways that they can get it?
02:47:42.000Like how rock solid is like, let's forget about drug sport, what they have now, but the USADA protocol that they were using before, what are the best ways to get around that?
02:47:54.000Well, because they weren't actually testing almost at all for EPO and GH. What percentage were they testing for it?
02:48:03.000You probably have to ask Hunter to confirm, but my understanding was, like, best case scenario, you were getting EPO tested if somebody, like, reported you as, like, you know, there's a bunch of people trying to out you as a cheater.
02:48:19.000I think it was a lot finance and time intensive and...
02:48:24.000Because some of this testing is not as rudimentary and crude as like, you know, just detection of synthetic steroids in your urine.
02:48:30.000You have to actually like manually do work to like combust down and assess the ratio.
02:48:36.000And there's like nuance in interpreting this stuff too.
02:48:38.000Because a lot of times you will have an expert who has a different opinion than another expert in terms of if it looks weird.
02:48:46.000So you have to like bring in multiple opinions to maybe of experts who then kind of come to a Consolidated answer on did you cheat or not?
02:48:54.000And it gets pretty complicated so doing this at scale On a sport that has no off-season, with people globally competing, it's pretty fucking costly, for sure, to do properly.
02:49:07.000Well, the MMA conspiracy theorists, they always point to people doing their camps in faraway lanes.
02:49:53.000You gotta wonder, like, I would like to see, like, what's the data on people that do their camp in Thailand?
02:49:59.000How often are they tested versus a guy who's got a camp in Iowa?
02:50:03.000And even, like, the rigor of the person who's hired to do the testing, because it's, like, how, you know, scrutinous is whoever you're outsourcing your hiring in that area to.
02:50:16.000You know, they could be like a local who is, you know, like pledged allegiance to that fucking, you know, whatever.
02:50:24.000It's tough for sure because there's no way to like truly bulletproof it, I think, but at least the UFC developments as of recent, they've confirmed they're doing like isotope ratio mass spec and...
02:50:36.000Actually doing some of the higher level testing for bioidenticals that could catch the microdosing and the things that are very difficult to detect.
02:50:45.000Stuff is still going to squeeze through for sure, but it's going to be better than it was where they were either not doing it or then letting people do it maybe and then asking them to be fucking snitches for them.
02:50:58.000It used to be back in the day that there was always rumors of like big camps that would hire scientists and that, you know, they would figure out ways around.
02:52:17.000Okay, the bill makes it unlawful to knowingly influence or attempt to conspire to influence a major international sports competition by use of prohibited substance or prohibited method.
02:52:27.000A violator is subject to criminal penalties, a fine, prison term of up to 10 years, or both, and a mandatory restitution.
02:52:40.000And when you hear about stuff like this, too, it's like there's always the thought in the back of your mind as a competitor, what are people doing that I'm not?
02:53:08.000That's really hard because I too have the same questions you had of the enhanced games where it's like, oh, we're going to have, you know, medical assessments that ensure safety and blah, blah, blah.
02:53:19.000But it's like, if you're going full board, it's impossible to be healthy.
02:53:25.000So like, as much as you could argue, it's probably better to not be using Frankenstein designer drugs or doing weird methods to get around cheating.
02:53:34.000The alternative is not necessarily far superior in terms of health, because if I'm allowed to use a gram of test, I'm not going to stop at 200 mg.
02:53:45.000I'm going to go full fucking sauce to the tit.
02:53:48.000Yeah, if you can get a physiological benefit of being on trend and just fucking completely roid it out of your mind.
02:53:55.000Yeah, become like a fucking dopaminergic psycho and just like, you will absolutely take that risk, regardless of what it does to you.
02:54:03.000Yeah, especially if you're trying to win, right?
02:54:05.000If people are willing to cheat when it's really dangerous, you could lose the medal and you can get outed and publicly shamed like Ben Johnson.
02:54:12.000Or you don't have to worry about that because they're allowing you to, but they would like you to take like a sustainable dose.
02:54:19.000And you're like, fuck you with your sustainable...
02:54:22.000I love the idea of the enhanced games, by the way, but it's like, at least my concern would be what happens when you put up no guardrails, and then alternatively, if there are guardrails, now it's set up for corruption at the medical provider level who's assessing what you're healthy enough to do.
02:54:42.000And like, you know, are you going in to get your blood drawn at the trough point after injections where things look like they're half out of your system versus before?
02:54:51.000Like, it's almost like a new level of doping that would be introduced.
02:54:55.000So, and I'm sure they're very well-spoken, eloquent guys who are on top of that stuff and I'm sure have answers to that or, you know, have some idea of what they're going to do.
02:55:07.000But, like, those would be my questions as to...
02:55:10.000And I'm not saying it needs to be safe.
02:55:52.000You'd think if you wanted to just hit your quota for the year, you'd just show up to the Olympia Expo and just be like, All of you, get in the fucking car.
02:56:04.000When it comes to possession in the States and how scrutinous they are on anabolics, I think it's mostly if you're importing mass amounts that will flag you because you're likely a distributor at that point.
02:56:18.000Typically, you would buy it domestically to not, like, red flag yourself, because I think in the mail, you can't even have your mail get checked if it's domestic.
02:56:27.000So if you are buying from, you know, the other side of the country, no one would know that you were sent anything.
02:56:34.000It's only if you're buying, like, growth hormone from China or something.
02:57:08.000Imagine taking Trent that was in a guy's asshole.
02:57:12.000Dan Bilzerian, he talked about how when he was in Buds, he would go with his buddies to get gear from Mexico, and then they'd smuggle it up their asses back into the U.S. Jesus Christ.
02:58:22.000But if I went to a doctor and I was complaining about I can't focus on any one thing, I'm all over the place, they'd probably give me some.
02:58:29.000And then I would have legal stimulants.
02:58:31.000I don't think, probably think it's not good for you, so I don't take it.
02:58:50.000Well, you could argue that, well, that's the reason why clinical trials exist, which assess, you know, safety profiles of these drugs, and they wouldn't make it through otherwise.
02:58:58.000But, like, obviously we've seen that that's not...
02:59:00.000Once you get financial interest involved, it's kind of hard to overlook that a lot of shit makes it through that probably shouldn't have and stuff that maybe should have made it through or didn't make it through.
02:59:10.000So, you know, like I am of the opinion that you should be able to take what you want and be educated about it hopefully first.
02:59:18.000It's tough though because it's like if you have a guy who's...
02:59:35.000The trend thing, is that the worst one psychologically?
02:59:39.000From anabolic steroids, I would say probably that and then maybe secondary, you know, some people could argue halotestin is a drug that supposedly Mike Tyson was using when he bit Evander Holyfield's ear off.
02:59:53.000Yeah, and it makes you like fucking short-term, acutely, extremely angry.
02:59:57.000How did you hear that he was using that?
03:00:11.000It was really easy to get around oral steroid detections back then as well, if they were even testing for it.
03:00:17.000I don't even know if they were testing back then.
03:00:20.000Tren is the worst offender for your psychological state, not just because the drug is...
03:00:28.000Bad, but it also like ruins your sleep.
03:00:30.000So you get like trend cough I mentioned, but trend sweats is another one where it almost induces like a menopause like hot flash sweating in your sleep and you wake up just fucking drenched and it like really fucks up your sleep and it makes you hyper paranoid as well,
03:00:47.000which is no good because even though you're this jacked Sometimes confident guy, other times you're like, you're unreasonably insecure and you like, a very common outcome is for guys to think their girlfriends are cheating on them just out of nowhere by being on trend.
03:01:49.000It also has a unique anti-catabolic effect.
03:01:53.000In a deficit, you keep muscle and sometimes even grow while you're cutting.
03:02:01.000It's not like steroids don't all do that to some degree, more or less, but this drug is uniquely potent in its anti-catabolic action to where you could be like Extremely nutrient deprived and still hold on to a lot of your muscle.
03:02:16.000And because it's so good at making you extremely strong too, without an excess of body weight, it's like highly sought after in many sports because you don't have to worry about jumping up in weight class while you're getting the strength increase that is like humongous.
03:02:33.000So it was one of the drugs that was used in the Dutchess cocktail, which is what Rod Chankov would have his athletes swish around in their mouth.
03:03:36.000And then other people who will say it ruined their life.
03:03:39.000It's highly individual dependent like any drug, but it's very good at making you extremely fucking strong without blowing you up with water retention and staving off loss of tissue while weight cutting as well.
03:03:54.000There's another factor that comes with steroid users and that's the addiction to the feeling of being on steroids.
03:04:09.000It's, uh, the thing that will often kill people is the desire to maintain these huge sizes in perpetuity, too, because it's, like, ultimately, steroid use often stems from, like, body image insecurity.
03:04:25.000So, if you achieve, you know, the outcome you sought with this thing, to think that you're going to be, you know, a confident person after you've lost the 30-40 pounds of lean that you gained, like, you were already probably somewhat mentally not perfect to begin with.
03:04:48.000Yeah, he had me on his podcast this year and he said anytime he's done seminars and people ask if he misses being a mass monster, he says they're more upset about it than I am.
03:05:01.000He has a unique perspective on it, which is really cool to see.
03:05:47.000Yeah, that's fucked up when you get that big and you have to like worry about Exploding your fucking muscle every workout because you're so strong and that's what you need to lift to get the stimulus like that's crazy stuff Well, Ronnie Coleman's the crazy example of the price you pay for that like that guy's all fucked up now Yeah, yeah.
03:06:04.000It makes you wonder if he would have been the bodybuilder he was if he just trained higher volume and, like, used higher reps, less weight.
03:07:27.000Well, it's like a form of bodybuilding, but it's not the actual category.
03:07:31.000Right, this is women who still look feminine.
03:07:33.000So like, put it this way, with men, there's different categories.
03:07:37.000There's open men's bodybuilding, classic physique, and men's physique.
03:07:41.000And each of them has like an incremental noticeable difference in the amount of muscle you need to be competitive.
03:07:46.000And in women, similar differences exist in categories where they have women's bikini, wellness, something else, and then bodybuilding is the one where you pretty much need to be on male-level steroids to be competitive.
03:08:01.000And this is a reality of female bodybuilding, that a lot of female bodybuilders...
03:08:06.000Look, I know female jiu-jitsu competitors that take steroids, which is crazy.
03:08:14.000But if you want to get that lean and maintain that much muscle as a woman, what do they take?
03:08:19.000Well, for bikini, you might be able to do it naturally, but most of them are probably still taking a little bit something, but it's not masculinizing.
03:08:26.000There's a lot of things they can take that are natural or over-the-counter or...
03:08:31.000Like, super micro-dosed amounts of anabolics that don't cause masculinization.
03:08:36.000But above that, the thresholds for categories above that are, like, if you go to women's bodybuilding, like, it looks like you remember it, where it's, you know, dudes with wigs on, basically, almost.
03:09:55.000Yeah, because he stopped the development of them and by now we probably have non-masculinizing drugs that work as well as the ones that make you a dude.
03:10:18.000So, like, I could physically be present in the States and live here maybe for six months of a year, but...
03:10:24.000To get out of the system fully, you've got to pay the piper on every company you've ever built, even if you don't have the money from it because you never sold it.
03:10:33.000There's gains that were made in Canada, the value of it that you have to pay on.
03:11:09.000Actually, I know one person who hasn't, but he's like really entrenched in the system and like it would be impossible to unwind at this point.
03:11:18.000So I don't know how much of it is he actually wants to be there or like it's a beautiful place to live in British Columbia, for example.
03:11:25.000But like, yeah, it's fucking cost of living is obscene and the tax.
03:11:31.000Some kids were doing a tick tock with food at a Canadian supermarket, like a bunch of chicken wings and how much it was.
03:12:16.000It's like one of the worst offenders on the planet for cost of a home.
03:12:20.000So basically, back in the day, our parents, one of the main ways to become financially stable was get in early on a property and And build equity in it and eventually you'd have something that accrued in so much value from since you got it that that's your main nest egg or whatever.
03:12:40.000Nowadays, it's not even possible to afford the lowest threshold of a mortgage on a place that's not even nice.
03:12:48.000So you have families staying in 500-square-foot apartments with big families because they can't afford anything else.
03:12:55.000It says, Impossibly Unaffordable Housing Report ranks Vancouver third most expensive in the world.