In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience, we talk about a man in Alaska who is uncovering mammoth bones and bones from animals that aren t even supposed to be there. And it's all on his land.
00:01:25.000He has one area that's like, I believe it's like four acres, and another area that's about six acres.
00:01:31.000And there's also like a very heavy layer of carbon So it appears there was some sort of a mass fire.
00:01:41.000And he thinks that this mass extinction event that all the people like Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson talk about with the end of the Younger Dryas, the Younger Dryas Impact Theory.
00:01:53.000He thinks it's connected to this, and he thinks that site might have been hit, and all these animals, probably in the Great Flood, their carcasses were washed into this sort of valley, this one area where they were kind of trapped up against the side of this mountain.
00:02:54.000So they had, from the same property before he owned it, way back in, like, I think it was the 30s, they had so many bones from this part of Alaska where the previous people had found them that they didn't have any room to store them, so they dumped them in the East River.
00:03:12.000And so they denied that the previous people...
00:03:14.000Obviously, it's people that are long dead.
00:03:17.000They denied that this happened and so he sent a bunch of divers out there and so they're recovering like these mammoth bones and all these like bison bones, step bison bones in the East River that are all from his property in Alaska.
00:03:35.000Yeah, it'd be hard to explain how they got there otherwise.
00:03:39.000It's the literally exact spot to look to.
00:03:59.000I think it was something that came up along the way.
00:04:01.000You know, because he's a gold miner, he's got a lot of disposable income, so he's willing to just spend it on his own to do this.
00:04:08.000He doesn't trust the museums anymore because they screwed over the previous owner, and even though it's his property and his land, he's supposed to get that stuff and they don't want to give it to him.
00:04:17.000And so he's got his own research facility that he built.
00:04:20.000He spent millions of dollars building this enormous research facility on his property so that they could study these bones.
00:07:11.000Thirty Days of Night is more modern and these vampires decided to descend upon this small town where it never turns light so they could just hunt all the time.
00:07:40.000Have you ever wondered the root of some things like that?
00:07:44.000I used to wholly dismiss ghosts as a young man.
00:07:49.000When I was a boy, I believed in them because I was young and dumb.
00:07:53.000And then as I got older, I was like, maybe there's a reason why...
00:07:57.000If I've never experienced something and then I do experience it, how am I ever going to explain this to people where it's going to make any sense to someone else that hasn't experienced it before?
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00:11:40.000Haven't there been studies done, there's been something done where they've taken people in altered states and had them go into a room where they experienced, they weren't connecting, they weren't communicating, but they experienced incredibly similar environments.
00:12:33.000Like, if you had never experienced that, and someone was trying to describe it to you, it would sound completely like nonsense, just like a ghost would.
00:13:12.000I mean, just look at cultural choices.
00:13:16.000Just look at the different kinds of music that people enjoy, the different kinds of food that people enjoy, and the different kinds of climate that they enjoy.
00:13:24.000There is no way we're all seeing the same thing.
00:13:35.000One of the ideas I put out in that 2014 book on the prophetic state, the soul of prophecy, I proposed that people respond ethnically or culturally differently to different endogenous psychedelics.
00:13:51.000You know, the emphasis on the enlightenment experience in Buddhism might be because people in that part of the world produce or are more sensitive to 5-methoxy DMT, which gives you that white-out experience.
00:14:05.000And with the other kind of religious experience, it's more DMT-like because it's full of angels and you speak to things, they speak to you.
00:14:14.000So there may even be some kind of differential among people as far as the way they're hardwired for spiritual experience, even.
00:14:24.000Well, it kind of makes sense, too, if the way they move through the world is through a specific cultural training, right?
00:14:31.000The way their cultural thinks about things and...
00:14:35.000Just imagine being born in an atheist, secular environment, and you're raised by those people, and then you meet someone who's born in a fundamentalist Christian religion, where it's very strict, and then they both meet when they're 14 and compare notes.
00:14:53.000It'd be the most bizarre versions of the world, right?
00:14:57.000Well, I mean, one version is there is no God, and the other version is that there is.
00:15:03.000Right, but there's one version that God is not just a part of your life, but the only reason why anything was ever formed.
00:15:53.000Yeah, that's a theory about the syndrome of survivors of the Holocaust and their children and their children, is that the stress of being, for example, in the camps activated certain genes, which were then in an activated state, passed on to the following generations.
00:16:12.000Yeah, we were just talking about that.
00:16:40.000Yeah, that's one of the spin-offs of fasting and starvation.
00:16:46.000Speaking of starvation, there are a lot of studies of enforced starvation, like the camps in Africa at various times.
00:16:57.000So there are some advantages, obviously to a point.
00:17:02.000Yeah, obviously we'd never want to ask someone to do that.
00:17:04.000But when people do it voluntarily, like when they go on these three and five day fasts, I've never met one person who said, I'll never do that again.
00:17:14.000And I felt really dumb and I didn't feel alive at all.
00:17:17.000No, they come back with like this very bizarre euphoric, just like, their version of it when they're expressing themselves, it seems like they were like on mushrooms.
00:18:29.000He told a story about how this monk, the Buddha was in town, this monk went to visit the Buddha, and he told the monk that he's practiced a city of levitation for the past 10 years, and now he can walk on water.
00:18:41.000And the Buddha goes, yeah, but the ferry's only a nickel.
00:18:47.000Here's my take on some of these things.
00:18:49.000Just because it's hard to do, doesn't always mean it's good to do.
00:18:55.000There are things that are hard to do, but they're good to do.
00:18:57.000If you could run a marathon, at the end of that marathon, you're like, wow, I really did something.
00:19:01.000And you feel good, and you're like, wow, you're a little beat up, but you have a new faith in yourself.
00:23:33.000Is there a thing that happens, like, I lived in Boston when I was a kid, and one thing that it really does benefit you with bad weather is that when you have bad winters, you really love those summers.
00:24:43.000Well, my patient population, everybody, a lot of, the majority of people were pretty devout churchgoers and very strict about observance of the regulations in the Bible.
00:24:56.000So it was a fairly conservative type of city.
00:26:52.000One of my friends up there was living in a cabin and a bear just stuck his claws in the door, pulled the door out of the frame of the house.
00:27:58.000So the buckshot is like it scatters into a pattern, and the further it is from the rifle barrel, like how far you're shooting, it's like if you're shooting 20 yards, It scatters quite a bit and it makes an area of impact about that big, like a basketball sized.
00:31:58.000But there's a give factor with tires that's important to handling.
00:32:02.000You know, there's things that are going on dynamically with tires when you're going around corners and your car has grip, you know, especially if you're off-roading, right?
00:32:12.000They deflate their tires quite a bit to get more traction.
00:32:28.000And in the canyons to the east and to the west of the valley.
00:32:32.000So I guess that's the benefit of air, is that you can air them down and do stuff with them.
00:32:35.000But it seems like the negative side of it, of getting a flat and getting stuck in the middle of nowhere because you don't have any air in your tire, that seems crazy.
00:33:28.000And you are tripping, for example, and you're touching these two billion years old rocks, and you really feel something that you don't feel anywhere else.
00:36:25.000Because the way we treated the gym, like I remember I had this girlfriend in high school and she wanted to fool around at the gym and it was the Dojang is what it's called.
00:36:36.000But I used to teach there and I had keys so I was there.
00:38:12.000It's an interesting experience to bow, to really kind of get yourself together and lower your head and be humbled, be, you know, like in the presence of something greater.
00:38:24.000Yeah, I think it's beneficial for people.
00:38:26.000I think that kind of voluntary humility is very important.
00:38:30.000And if you can establish that as an ethic and sort of get it into your psychology.
00:38:35.000Well, you know, it's really important to be humble.
00:39:44.000You have to have enough confidence in yourself that you can navigate a thing that very few people navigate.
00:39:49.000If you choose to start your own business, if you choose to quit what you're doing and go on a journey because you really feel compelled to have other life experiences, if you're too humble, you might not be willing to bet on yourself.
00:40:03.000And I think that would ultimately be bad.
00:40:07.000Yeah, I think one of the things, too, about being too humble is you just suppress all of your feelings.
00:40:13.000You think you should have no feelings at all.
00:40:15.000In other words, you know, responding to things in your world.
00:42:58.000It sounds like you don't have any choice.
00:43:00.000And if you have domineering parents, then your parents are going to match you up with somebody else's kid because they're friends with this guy.
00:43:08.000And, you know, this guy's son is looking for a wife.
00:43:13.000And you're a lady that has a dad that tells you what to do.
00:43:33.000I haven't looked at the data, but they couldn't do worse than the marriage's success right now.
00:43:38.000If you could leave a little pad of paper and a pen to slay it around so they could write you a note when no one knows about it, what's really going on, I bet it would be like a message in the bottle.
00:43:56.000If you're in the kind of controlling culture that even considers an arranged marriage, I mean, it's a very strict culture.
00:44:02.000Not saying it's negative, but it's very strict.
00:44:04.000And if you have great parents, and they're really wise in their choices, and you're in a culture that has an arranged marriage, and your parents are like, Super kind and generous and they trust you and they love you and they think you're amazing and then they want to hook you up with an amazing person Maybe it can work out, but generally I think you give people the freedom to do whatever they want to do and maybe that lady never wants to get married Maybe she's decided like I don't like how this is.
00:45:04.000I think that's the case, that if there's no chemistry at all and the woman or the guy says, forget it, I'm not interested, I think you're free to end it.
00:45:46.000Well, I have a good friend of mine who came on the podcast recently and was talking about his experiences in Afghanistan and how crazy it is there.
00:45:56.000And he's like, it's like you're going back in time a thousand years, like the way women are treated and children are treated, the amount of pedophiles and open molestation of boys and just murder.
00:46:12.000Why do you think, at least in particular, that Jerusalem is just such a hotbed?
00:46:18.000It's a point of contact and conflict for all three major religions.
00:46:23.000Islam, Christianity, and Judaism all claim that small bit of land.
00:46:31.000I wonder what it is about that part of the world.
00:46:34.000Well, it's got to be from the Bible, right?
00:46:36.000I mean, that's the significance of it as holy land.
00:46:41.000The concept of Holy Land is always so...
00:46:46.000If there's a place where it is literally in the Bible that this is the place where Jesus is going to return to, this is going to be a place where people do battle over.
00:46:57.000You can't let the enemy control the place where Jesus comes back to.
00:47:01.000Because what if Jesus comes back and they immediately snuff him out because they're Islamists?
00:47:34.000And the second temple lasted around 400 years.
00:47:37.000It was destroyed in 70 CE, the second temple.
00:47:42.000When was the first temple in existence, Jamie?
00:47:47.000So even if that's the timeline, so we're looking at about 4,000 years, right?
00:47:57.000You know, like Abraham, you know, the first of the Hebrews, lived around 1800 BCE. So 2000 BCE, the first known mention of the city, so that's 2000 before current era in Middle Kingdom Egyptian, how do you say that?
00:48:32.000If you execrate someone, you are really cursing them.
00:48:35.000Ancient Egyptian hieratic text listing the enemies of the pharaoh, most often the enemies of Egyptian state or troublesome foreign neighbors.
00:48:43.000The texts were most often written upon statuettes of bound foreigners.
00:49:12.000Yeah, so Jerusalem is an old city, and, you know, the temples were there a long, long time ago.
00:49:18.000Yeah, and, you know, the location of the temples relates to dreams of Jacob, who was laying on the ground and on a stone and, you know, made of a vow, you know, to God, you know, the God of the Hebrews who, you know, Jacob was commuting with to build the house of the Lord there.
00:49:36.000And so, you know, there's a long history of that part of the world being associated with the patriarchs and with the temple.
00:49:46.000You know, Christianity has an association to Jerusalem because of Jesus.
00:49:51.000I'm not sure what the connection between Islam and Jerusalem is.
00:50:06.000Well, there's things called greed, envy, and jealousy.
00:50:11.000I've always liked the distinction among those three qualities.
00:50:17.000Here it says, Jerusalem is revered by Muslims as the third holiest place on earth, and the pilgrimage to Jerusalem is viewed as an optional compliment to the pilgrimage to Meqra, the Hajj.
00:50:31.000Unlike the Hajj, the pilgrimage to Jerusalem is undertaken individually at any time of the year.
00:50:39.000Well, you know, I've never been to Israel.
00:51:54.000There's ways you've learned to live your life better because of that.
00:51:58.000You should be just talking about those experiences.
00:52:00.000But when you start giving people instruction in how to do things and then, you know, organizing people together, I think that's a symptom of this spiritual narcissism.
00:52:11.000That people, if you're attached to this, you're attached to something divine, which I think we would both agree it is, You can imagine that you are divine or you can project that you are divine.
00:52:25.000I think there's a temptation to do that.
00:52:28.000Well, I think it strengthens pre-existing, for example, personality traits, like you're saying.
00:52:35.000Like if you're a narcissistic person and you trip, you'll just get more enamored with yourself and more convinced that what you think is true.
00:53:26.000I mean, you could do anything you already, you know, believe in.
00:53:29.000Yeah, and something you're already, you know, you're already inclined to believe.
00:53:34.000You believe that it's good to go slaughter people.
00:53:36.000Well, I think that's one of the interesting things about Brian Muir Rescue's book, is that I don't think these ideas came from the drugs.
00:53:46.000I think they were just made more manifest, more meaningful, more real than they were before because of the drugs.
00:53:54.000So if you're a Viking and you want to go out and kill, if you're living in a religious community with certain beliefs and you want to believe them even more firmly or practice more intensely, psychedelics could have that effect.
00:54:10.000I mean again like we're talking about like the culture that you live in is – this is the view.
00:54:18.000Whatever the constraints of that culture, this is the window in which you view the world.
00:54:22.000You view it through this culture and you view it through these belief systems that you have sort of adopted over time.
00:54:30.000Yeah, I think that's what's going on with the beings in the DMT world.
00:54:35.000I don't think they are necessarily freestanding intelligences, but they're the way our culture, our personal culture and our larger culture And wrap in a visible form certain information, certain kinds of input, either from the outside world or in your own mind.
00:54:57.000So it's culture-specific, I think, the visions that you would see.
00:55:02.000I don't think they're like aliens from another planet, although I kind of thought that in the beginning.
00:55:08.000But as time has gone on and I've heard more and more stories, I'm I'm more inclined to believe these are simply projections taking the garb of the personal milieu.
00:55:24.000Because you can go down that road and just decide, oh, no, no, no, what these are, these are thoughts, and thoughts have a consciousness of their own, and we think of them as being independent Like they're just created by the human mind, but no, the human mind is probably tuning into these things and they can appear as entities.
00:55:48.000I think thoughts might be a living thing.
00:55:51.000It sounds stupid to say out loud, but the idea is everything that exists on Earth that humans have created, every single one of them came from an idea.
00:56:02.000Which is weird because it's had so much of an impact, so much of an impact on the world.
00:56:10.000Well, you know, one of the ideas in the medieval philosophers was that thought or thoughts are intermediaries between you and God.
00:56:24.000You know, they're angels which are exchanged between you and some divine external source of information.
00:56:32.000So, if you're thinking of how thoughts have directed the world's growth, I mean, you could even extrapolate to, well, maybe it's the divine plan for humanity.
00:56:48.000Well, there's certainly something going on.
00:56:50.000If you objectively just step outside of human culture and just watch the world, It's certainly moving in a very specific direction, and that direction is very much technologically driven.
00:57:04.000There's something really crazy going on in a technological direction.
00:57:09.000And then all that stuff is coming from ideas.
00:57:14.000They're over the course of hundreds and thousands of years.
00:57:18.000These ideas are propagated and given to other people and they expand upon them and then more ideas take place and then more execution of these ideas and it changes the landscape and changes the ocean.
00:57:34.000Well, I think it's a case of cause and effect.
00:57:38.000Certain causes produce certain effects.
00:57:42.000And the rules of nature, let's say, or the rules of thought, like how the brain creates thought, they are regulated in a particular manner.
00:57:55.000Certain chemical reactions occur for this or that reason.
00:57:58.000You know, so it's as if, you know, the system is already set up to encourage certain behaviors, have certain ones, certain ideas form and other ones not form.
00:58:12.000You know, cause and effect if you, you know, like if something bad happens to you, it's because of what happened before.
00:58:19.000If something good happens to you, it's because of what happened before.
00:58:22.000So you learn from your experience to do things that result in you feeling better, positive outcome.
00:59:06.000But it speaks like a larger phenomenon, which is how cause and effect has been set up.
00:59:14.000Well, it's how cause and effect has been set up, but it's also there's a very weird competitive drive towards technological innovation that exists with people because it's attached to monetary gain, right?
00:59:29.000And the companies that are involved in the most technological, sophisticated work, whether it's AI or whether it's social media, like when you're programming things in a giant scale, it's incredibly profitable.
01:04:02.000I don't think writers are as fucked as actors are, though.
01:04:05.000Because some writers, like, you know, there's the Quentin Tarantinos of the world that are just going to take turns because of just his own psychology that you're not going to take.
01:05:04.000The one of our top ten all-time favorite movies, because it so rang true.
01:05:10.000Like, there was not a moment in that movie where I was like, bullshit, get out of here.
01:05:14.000It so rang true that they would be able to manipulate you super easily, especially if you're a young man, and you're, you know, awkward with women, and it's this perfect woman who just happens to be a robot.
01:07:31.000So there's a scene where the lions are in the park, like in the streets, like they have lions out there because the civilizations collapsed, the zoos opened.
01:07:56.000What I was going to say is I think AI can give you some—and McKenna actually talked about this as well, that he believed that— With virtual reality and computer simulations of trips, it will get to a point of sophistication where you can visually simulate exactly what a psychedelic trip is.
01:08:17.000And then there becomes this real possibility.
01:08:21.000Within our lifetime of recording dreams.
01:08:24.000Now, if you can record a dream, can you record a psychedelic state?
01:08:31.000I mean, I don't know how far away they are.
01:08:33.000Let's say they're 50 years away from being able to do something like this.
01:08:36.000But if they can map out all of the synapse in your brain and all of the different neurochemistry that's going on, if they can map that out, And then attach it to some ability to visually record what you're experiencing.
01:08:58.000And they can then have something through a neural implant, like Neuralink or something like that, and then completely put you in the exact state that this person is having when they're on 9 grams of mushrooms.
01:09:31.000But I think the idea of recording your thoughts and then Figuring out what causes different reactions inside people's minds, how your visual cortex interplays with all these different chemicals that are going on inside of your brain.
01:09:49.000Yeah, I think it could be a mass telepathic experience, like if everybody was sharing the same experience at the same time.
01:11:15.000You're going to be able to do things with your eyes that a biological eye can't do.
01:11:21.000And we might get to the point within, you know, our lifetime or our grandchildren's lifetime...
01:11:26.000Where people get rid of their eyes really quick, because your eyes are bullshit.
01:11:29.000Your eyes don't even see through walls.
01:11:31.000Like, what are these stupid fucking biological eyes?
01:11:34.000And then the next thing you know, you've got something that enhances your brain and gives you complete access to the internet instantaneously.
01:12:26.000They just built a big tower, and God looked down and said, you know, they have one language and one tongue, and look at what they do.
01:12:34.000When you think of biblical stories, I've spent far too much time speculating about the origins, but I'd like to know, what do you think that was?
01:12:46.000Well, I think the stories could be seen as if they were real.
01:13:10.000But if I took as an act of faith that it was a real world, I treated it as if it were real.
01:13:18.000And that's the way I approach the Bible, the Bible stories, as if they were real.
01:13:24.000If you read it carefully, it's a very coherent picture of creation, of history, of the relationship between the spiritual and human worlds.
01:13:35.000And if you just enter it rather than interpret it as something else, then it starts opening up in a way that is quite interesting.
01:13:53.000If you look at the preceding chapters, after the flood, God told man to spread out, to populate the world, because it was just Noah and his family after the flood.
01:14:05.000And then they had children, and the directive was to repopulate the earth.
01:14:16.000You know, so, you know, people kind of wonder, you know, why was the generation of the tower, you know, punished, as it were, by being dispersed and their languages were confused.
01:14:28.000But, yeah, you know, so it's a cohesive whole.
01:14:35.000You know, the stories, you know, build upon each other.
01:14:40.000Certain things occurred because of the behavior of certain people, certain ideas, certain practices.
01:14:45.000Yeah, so it isn't as if it were something else other than what you're reading.
01:14:51.000And that makes it important to understand the language it's written in, which is Hebrew.
01:14:57.000So if you really want to understand at least the Hebrew Bible, what some call the Old Testament, you really need to know the Hebrew language because you can make the translation for yourself.
01:15:11.000You know, they say all translation is interpretation.
01:17:58.000Yeah, and that's one of the things I loved learning about biblical Hebrew is, you know, the grammatical forms open a window to parts of reality that just are ignored all of the time.
01:18:11.000You know, there's a notion of the reflexive tense.
01:18:14.000Which means you're doing something to yourself.
01:18:20.000So for example, you might say, I sat down, or I sat myself down.
01:18:25.000And I sat myself down is the reflexive.
01:18:28.000And I sat down is what's called the perfect.
01:18:33.000So the convolutions of grammar really open windows to views of relationships that were invisible before.
01:18:43.000And if you're using this and you're reading these ancient, ancient stories and trying to interpret them and then trying to break it down into English or Greek or Latin or whatever they did.
01:18:58.000The first translation was Greek and after that Latin.
01:19:04.000Have you ever done any reading of the Dead Sea Scrolls?
01:21:06.000Well, the first translation was to Aramaic, and then to Greek, and then I think to either Arabic or to Latin.
01:21:16.000So the first translation was the Dead Sea Scrolls as far as we know?
01:21:19.000Well, the translation of the Bible itself, you know, the five books, the first five books, and then the intervening, you know, 17, the prophets and whatnot, you know, those were, you know, translated into different languages, you know, book to book.
01:21:36.000The Dead Sea Scrolls are both books of the Bible with slight modifications or completely independent kinds of texts.
01:21:45.000How many of them are books of the Bible?
01:25:22.000But in it, you know, he's all in on everything being evidence that UFOs were here and a lot of, like, real sketchy connections, in my opinion.
01:25:31.000I'm more inclined to go the Graham Hancock, Randall Carlson route.
01:25:36.000I think there was a very sophisticated civilization that existed.
01:26:00.000It's just like whatever the hell was going on there, there was an insanely sophisticated civilization that existed 4,500 years ago at least and probably went back quite a bit further than that.
01:26:10.000You know, according to their hieroglyphs, it went back 30,000 years, you know, and whatever was going on there was pretty incredible.
01:26:18.000And I think to just say that the aliens did it, it seems a little, a little silly, because there's no evidence that the aliens did it.
01:26:26.000There's evidence that there's people around back then.
01:26:29.000Yeah, it's a case of Occam's razor, you know, the most sensible explanation is probably the most likely.
01:26:53.000Well, one would be physically manifest and the other would just be manifest in the mind.
01:27:00.000Well, I think a lot of people are starting to lean in this general direction of that, of that perhaps we're trying to measure something that cannot be measured.
01:27:14.000Perhaps we're trying to put something on a scale that does not necessarily physically exist, but also has the attributes of something that physically exists.
01:27:24.000Or they can manifest something that physically exists, but it's kind of an illusion.
01:27:29.000And the whole thing is kind of going on simultaneously, interdimensionally.
01:27:34.000And that this is why we struggle with our definitions and just our overall acceptance of even the possibility of it being real.
01:27:46.000I think most people, when you talk to them about UFOs, if they don't have any skin in the game, they'll tell you they believe in UFOs, they'll tell you they think we've been visited because it's fun.
01:27:58.000But if you said to them, If you had to bet everything you have, everything you have on the government has recovered crashed UFOs and that they visit us and they come from, you know, the Palladi star system and they've been here from the beginning of time,
01:28:16.000or there's weird conscious experiences, weird There's weird doors, portals of consciousness that open up that allow you to see things that might not necessarily be physically measurable, but also real.
01:28:34.000And that these things are what everybody's talking about in these ancient religious stories.
01:28:40.000These things are things that people are talking about when they claim they've been abducted by UFOs, then something landed, and even like the physical remnants of these crafts That might – all of it might be just a part of this very bizarre psychic experiment that's going on.
01:29:01.000That as the mind expands its ability to understand other realms and as the – like you have to think of – you don't have to, but the way I think of it is like we didn't used to be able to see.
01:29:14.000So it was an emerging trait of single-celled organisms, no sight, if you believe in evolution – It goes to multi-celled organisms, eventually goes to sight.
01:29:23.000So it's an emerging part of being a living thing, as you can see.
01:30:16.000I'm sure it probably has a lot to do with the diet of the creatures, right?
01:30:20.000I mean, if humans are consistently, if you're in the Amazon, you're consistently taking ayahuasca and eating mushrooms and having rituals, you're probably in that realm more often than a regular person who eats McDonald's and drinks coffee at Starbucks and It's stressed out because they work all day and is on SSRIs.
01:30:41.000You're probably not getting much of that at all.
01:30:42.000There's a lot of telepathy, I think, that occurs in those kinds of cultures.
01:30:46.000You know, they share dreams and they share visions.
01:31:07.000It was synthesized by somebody and got that name.
01:31:10.000But the people that were experiencing it then, when they wanted to name it telepathine, they wanted to name it that because they were experiencing telepathic...
01:31:45.000Or if you guys are nowhere near each other, you can't hear each other, and then you independently write down what you experienced, and then that person says, and they have the exact same thing.
01:31:54.000So they have no interaction with you before they write down what they experienced or recorded or what have you.
01:34:18.000So if we really are all communicating through some sort of neural implant and we really are doing this telepathically with a universal language and we're experiencing each other's consciousness in a way that eliminates all possibility of deception.
01:36:18.000But if you're not a human being anymore, essentially, you're a cyborg and you're connected through a neural link to the whole world, there's going to be zero benefit in lying.
01:37:54.000The trend with technology is we have more and more access to information and ultimately we're going to have instantaneous access to information.
01:38:48.000But not in like a Marxist communist way, in sort of a practical utilitarian way to deal with the fact that everybody's communicating with everybody instantaneously.
01:38:58.000You can't have a guy who lives in a fucking castle and another guy who lives in a favela with a dirt floor and no food if we're all existing as one.
01:39:06.000Well, it would require a change in human nature.
01:39:35.000If you're communicating telepathically and you can instantaneously detect it, it makes deception impossible because you're only able to express your thoughts.
01:39:45.000Yeah, I have a feeling that won't be very popular.
01:39:48.000Well, it won't be popular with the kind of humans that exist today.
01:42:10.000Well, you call it that after the fact.
01:42:12.000After you come down, you know, when you're drinking a Coke.
01:42:16.000But have you ever opened your eyes on DMT? There was this video I was watching the other day online where these people, they put them on DMT and then they had lasers.
01:42:47.000Can you explain it to people, what they're experiencing?
01:42:50.000Well, I think what happens, and this is just a very cursory assessment of the project, but people smoke DMT and then they project a red laser onto the wall.
01:43:11.000And if you look very carefully at it, from what I understand, you can see the matrix.
01:43:48.000Well, and why do you think that happened?
01:43:50.000Well, because he is an outsider and he is someone who did not come through the political system, so doesn't have all these relationships and all of these intertwined conflictions with corporations and All these different businesses that have paid for his campaign.
01:44:35.000I mean, when Eisenhower talked about it on television at the end of his term, it's kind of a crazy moment in history that was just broadcast on television and wasn't really revisited until YouTube came around.
01:44:55.000I think with RFK Jr., when he gets in, we have a real possibility of opening up psychedelic treatment for veterans, which I think is the best way to start it off because they're the most deserving of it.
01:45:10.000They're the people we ask of the most.
01:45:12.000And there's been a lot of people that have had some pretty profound changes take place because of psychedelic experiences.
01:45:28.000I think they should develop special clinics, you know, where you wouldn't actually be doing research and you wouldn't need incredibly strong data to justify that kind of treatment.
01:45:42.000You would just need an indication that it was helpful.
01:46:40.000Like, there's so much anecdotal stories, so many of them, of guys going to Mexico, taking Ibogaine, taking DMT, psilocybin experiences, and coming back and just, like, sorted their life out.
01:46:53.000A couple of weeks ago, we were at a conference up in Denver, and I was doing some book signing.
01:47:00.000Some guy, my generation, came up to me, and he told a story after he returned from Vietnam.
01:47:10.000He was using basically every drug In a bad way, bad drugs in a bad way, and he smoked DMT one day, stopped using everything.
01:47:19.000He even moved to live across the street from a liquor store to be able to demonstrate that he had that willpower that had just changed with one DMT experience to resist any future drinking.
01:47:37.000And I know I have personal friends that have gone through it and changed their life, quit drinking, got their shit together, became a much nicer person.
01:47:44.000Like sometimes people are just burdened by the stress of what they've experienced, especially war, which is the most horrific thing that people can experience.
01:50:20.000You kind of wonder if these are transcriptions of his talks or things that other people helped him write or even things that other people wrote for him.
01:56:46.000The down you feel off of a pretzel sometimes is worth it, though, because they're so delicious, especially the ones that wrap a hot dog in the pretzel.
01:58:58.000But you're constantly waiting for trains then.
01:59:00.000Like, there's always those things that come down, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
01:59:03.000You can't sit there and wait while the train flies by.
01:59:05.000Yeah, it was a point of controversy in that little town.
01:59:09.000Like, were they going to build a tunnel underneath or a bridge over?
01:59:13.000You know, the business folks in the downtown area.
01:59:18.000And it would be noisy, too, that trains would go by 35 miles an hour, and they're big trains.
01:59:25.000Some of the cargo trains are more than a mile long, and they can just take forever to cross 2nd and 3rd Street, and you're just stuck there.
01:59:44.000Well, your bones rattle when the trains go by and, you know, they honk their horns.
01:59:51.000Like they have to do three, then two, then three, then two.
01:59:54.000Well, there's some apartments in New York City where the apartment building's there and the train's going right in front of the apartment building.
02:02:04.000Lots of people, like the small town I was living in, that would be like a regular thing if people would lay down on their tracks if they were having a bad day.
02:02:18.000Imagine if we can cure that with Elon Musk's Neuralink.
02:03:03.000So it was pretty interesting living among the natives for 14 years.
02:03:08.000And their view of white people is they're noisy, they're superficial, and they're kind of dumb.
02:03:16.000Well, there's plenty of examples that would support that if you were inclined to be, you know, less charitable and make a rash generalization about white people.
02:03:28.000Well, I learned to be quiet there because there isn't anything to do.
02:07:05.000And I started working with her for like the next four years.
02:07:10.000Because obviously things had gotten so dire because I wasn't taking care of myself.
02:07:18.000So I had to kind of get to the bottom of that.
02:07:21.000Yeah, so it took another maybe seven months before I started to feel my strength back and my brain functioning again.
02:07:29.000One turning point, this might interest some of your listeners, is I got vaccinated for the flu in January, which was nine months after this all started.
02:07:41.000And it was the most painful vaccination I'd ever had.
02:07:45.000It was beyond 10. It wasn't even throbbing.
02:07:48.000It was just constant, like beyond any pain in my arm I'd ever felt.
02:08:42.000It was the early days of the pandemic and the UFC had allocated about, I think it was 150 or so doses for all their employees because they were running shows during the pandemic when everyone was terrified of it.
02:08:57.000I go to Vegas to do this UFC event, and I had a test before I leave, and then you fly, you test when you get there, and they're really strict with their protocols, make sure that no one was sick.
02:09:10.000When people were sick, like a fighter's corner man was sick, everyone was kicked off.
02:10:14.000And so then I started reading different things by different scientists that had opposing perspectives on both the efficacy and the safety of the vaccine.
02:10:27.000And then I got COVID. And then when I got COVID, I got over it really quickly.
02:10:30.000And then I got attacked on CNN. So I was like, okay, what's going on here?
02:10:35.000Like, why are you guys upset that I took a certain medicine and got better?
02:10:38.000I've never even heard of such a thing.
02:10:40.000And they started labeling it, this ivermectin, as a horse dewormer, which is crazy because it won the Nobel Prize for People.
02:10:48.000So it was like I was watching this bizarre thing take place in scale on mass media against me.
02:10:54.000But against me in the most preposterous way possible because I was healthy.
02:11:42.000This is the strangest thing I've ever seen in my life.
02:11:44.000It was like this mass psychosis that was propagated by the media who were only intent on keeping everyone terrified and offering only one solution.
02:11:55.000And that solution just coincidentally happened to be insanely profitable.
02:12:25.000I was a simple, easy to make fun of person who did a ridiculous thing and that's why they were able to say horse dewormer.
02:12:33.000But it's such a dumb thing to say because this – we have – it was a playbook that would have been really effective in 1998. You could have gotten that done in 1998. The problem is – There's too much information that's available.
02:12:49.000And when you're mocking a person for taking a drug that a human being won the Nobel Prize for in 2015 for its use in humans, that seems insane.
02:13:01.000Also, you're knocking people taking off-label medication under the advice of a trained physician.
02:14:06.000I just – that one wasn't one to be terrified of and they made us terrified of it which makes me terrified.
02:14:11.000Because that was one where they – we talked about this in the podcast where they made fun of Donald Trump because he was saying it's less than 1 percent of the people who get it die and then CNN was mocking him saying it's 3.4 percent, 3.4 percent.
02:14:25.000It was considerably less than 1 percent.
02:14:57.000I had a friend and his brother works for the state, and he said to the lady who was in charge of it, he said, why are you stopping outdoor dining?
02:15:05.000There's no evidence that there's spread through outdoor dining.
02:15:13.000Like, we're going to shut businesses down for optics, because they had to show that they're doing something, because there's like a noticeable spread that's being reported in the media.
02:15:22.000That's called virtue signaling, right?
02:16:22.000How many kids had their childhood stripped away from them and have significant learning problems, not just because they didn't go to school, but because even when they went to school, they had to wear a mask.
02:16:33.000So the whole reading people's lips and hearing sounds come out, everything was weird.
02:16:39.000If you're a toddler and your experience is going through the first couple of years of your schooling and your preschool with fucking masks on, like, what is that?
02:16:53.000And the only good out of it, in my opinion, is that people realize that it was stupid and they won't be as quick to accept it in the future.
02:17:05.000You think if there's another pandemic?
02:17:07.000I don't think people are going to accept the government, which is filled with a bunch of fucking silly people that have decided to run the government, having complete control over whether or not you can run your business, or you can decide to take a trip somewhere, or you could visit your parents when they're in the hospital.
02:17:46.000How are you pardoning someone where he's not—not only is he not convicted of a crime, he's not even being tried, he's not accused, he's not indicted?
02:17:57.000I guess that's called blanket immunity.
02:18:10.000Well, do you know much about the fluoride story?
02:18:12.000A lot of people wonder about the pineal gland and DMT synthesis if you have a calcified pineal, which is more likely if you're fluoridated.
02:18:23.000Have they ever done autopsy studies on people that are in high fluoride areas to check out their pineal glands?
02:18:29.000Or is this just like one of those things that people say?
02:18:32.000Well, it's the case in lower animals that you feed them a high fluoride diet and their pineal glands calcify more rapidly.
02:18:39.000I'm not sure what the human literature is.
02:18:41.000So when you say that, when they calcify more rapidly, like what animals are they serving them?
02:18:56.000Yeah, I mean, these experimental animals, pineal glands anyway, they do calcify more rapidly.
02:19:05.000But whether or not that actually correlates to a reduction in melatonin production, for example, I'm not that familiar with the literature.
02:19:15.000Is the number commensurate with what would even be possible through fluoride and water, or would it have to be some other form of poisoning?
02:19:23.000Is it like a very high level of fluoride that they're giving them?
02:19:26.000With the experimental animals, yeah, this fluoride-rich kind of diet.
02:19:31.000So then the question would be, what about the accumulation of fluoride in small doses over the course of a long lifetime?
02:19:38.000Yeah, I'm just not that current on the literature.
02:19:43.000There's a couple of things that occur that cause pineal calcification.
02:19:49.000The older you get, the more calcification there is.
02:19:54.000Back when I was current on the pineal physiology data, which was a long time ago, like 40 years ago, there wasn't a relationship between the degree of calcification in the human pineal and production of melatonin.
02:20:11.000At least according to the data from the 80s, the degree of calcification wasn't functionally significant.
02:20:23.000But I get an email here and there wondering if fluoridation of the pineal might reduce the production of endogenous DMT, which one might theorize takes place.
02:20:34.000But we don't really know quite yet if the pineal even makes DMT, let alone if pineal calcification might reduce it.
02:20:46.000Wouldn't it be interesting to measure different lifestyles and then also look at the age in which these people are and see if there's, like, when they die, if there's calcification?
02:20:59.000You know, one person who's a marathon runner and they're 65 versus one person who's sedentary, drinks a lot, and they're also 65. Yeah.
02:21:07.000You would think it would correlate with your overall general health.
02:22:58.000I don't know how they got started with the whole fluoride in the water thing, but it seems like a giant scam.
02:23:04.000Like Big Fluoride is still selling fluoride to all these different water departments and they don't want to stop.
02:23:11.000That's the only thing that makes sense to me.
02:23:13.000It doesn't make any sense that people would be willing to potentially sacrifice...
02:23:16.000They're children's IQ. There's a direct correlation between high levels of calcium in the water – or excuse me, high levels of fluoride in the water and low IQs.
02:23:27.000So if that's true, that should be a fucking giant red flag for people.
02:23:32.000I mean once you eliminate all the other environmental things that may be consistent with the people that have lower IQs in children – If you're just pointing only to fluoride, if this is one thing that varies, this is a potential real problem.
02:23:46.000We know that leaded gas reduced people's IQ. You know that, right?
02:23:50.000When they used to have leaded gas, people like me and you who grew up at a time with leaded gas, you probably would have a 10-point higher IQ if you didn't grow up with leaded gas.
02:24:03.000I mean, there's some sort of a percentage.
02:24:04.000I think it's a small percentage, but it's been measured.
02:24:09.000Find out what percentage of a detriment is leaded gas to your IQ. Because they actually have done studies on people and like what happened once unleaded gas was introduced and how children's IQs went up.
02:25:25.000Research also found that non-Hispanic black people, individuals with lower family income to poverty ratio, and those with an older housing age were likely to have higher levels of lead in their blood.
02:25:36.000Well, probably because they lived in urban areas where there's more car traffic, right?
02:25:52.0001973, Environmental Protection Agency issued its first call for manufacturers to begin a gradual reduction in the amount of lead and gasoline.
02:25:58.000I bet they're going to look back at fluoride the same way we look back at leaded gas.
02:26:03.000We're going to go, what the hell were we doing?
02:27:10.000Well, they did discover it through that.
02:27:12.000There was an area in Texas, I believe, where they had high natural levels of fluoride in the water, and there's a corresponding lower instance of cavities.
02:28:02.000Yeah, with this, like, blue gun, you know, kind of gel that they would, you know, put in a splint and you put it on your upper and lower teeth for, like, five minutes or whatnot.
02:28:19.000Yeah, you lower your IQ, which is maybe not a bad idea.
02:28:24.000Well, you've got to wonder, the thing you were talking about before about some people just don't have imagination, which is really crazy to think that some people are just – they just got a bad hand.
02:32:26.000I wonder if there is that kind of reaction with the first heart transplant or the first kidney transplant, if the originators of the methodology were demonized because they were putting somebody else's heart in your place.
02:32:59.000And that wouldn't have even worked because your body would have rejected it back then because they didn't have the proper drugs that allowed people to accept other people's organs and suppress your immune system.
02:33:08.000So your immune system doesn't reject the organ.
02:33:13.000I never was in a heart transplant operating theater.
02:33:20.000You know, once in an emergency room, actually, I was able to, you know, crack somebody's chest open and work on their heart, you know, kind of give it the massage.
02:33:30.000Well, the person, you know, was quite sick.
02:34:23.000You know, medical training is a pretty interesting experience.
02:34:28.000You know, the kinds of things that you learn to do to the human body and the kinds of things that people let you do to them because you're a physician.
02:34:38.000It's a very interesting development of a role.
02:34:42.000For example, when we first started working in the hospitals, there's a dress code.
02:35:18.000How you look and how you talk and how you carry yourself.
02:35:22.000It's a very interesting conditioning, social conditioning.
02:35:27.000And you have an extreme position of authority.
02:35:31.000Yeah, I mean, you could ask people to do things that nobody else would ask them and that they wouldn't even entertain if anybody else had asked them.
02:35:41.000Yeah, it's a very privileged position.
02:35:43.000It's very cool if you know what you're doing and you don't let it go to your head, but yeah, it's a unique apprenticeship.
02:35:54.000Yeah, and they can do some wild things today.
02:36:21.000I had probably had what's called Regenikine.
02:36:25.000So, Regenikine is when they take your blood out, and it's like platelet-rich plasma, but they spin it in this centrifuge, and it creates this yellow liquid, which is like a super potent anti-inflammatory, and then they had injected it into my knees.
02:37:58.000You're, like, essentially making a bet that, okay, you can chop off the end of my knee and in 20 years they're going to have some new thing.
02:38:07.000The thing that would give me pause today, and again, I'm not giving medical advice, but if today biologics are coming so far that they're able to regenerate both meniscus tissue and also cartilage, so they can do that now.
02:38:26.000And there was a study in Australia where they did that recently, and I think there's something else going on somewhere in the United States.
02:38:33.000Where they're showing promise in that regard.
02:38:35.000So I think if people could just hang in there for a little longer, according to my friend Brigham, who owns Ways to Well, which is a stem cell clinic out here, he is convinced that these kind of Super invasive surgeries are going to be a thing of the past.
02:38:52.000They're going to be able to regrow tissue and literally fix knee problems, back problems, things along those lines.
02:40:11.000I think that's one of the things that Paul Stamets talked about was doing it in a stack, like doing psilocybin along with, yeah, now exactly what it was.
02:40:21.000Lion's mane mushrooms can promote neurogenesis and enhance memory.
02:42:25.000Blindsight device being developed to restore vision and people have lost their sight.
02:42:30.000No, there was one that was saying you're going to be able to have infrared, night vision, a bunch of different possibilities on top of the fact they're going to be able to restore sight that eventually...
02:43:08.000Okay, so that is the same Neuralink thing?
02:43:09.000And then on top of that, you're going to be able to like zoom out.
02:43:13.000So, you know, like you ever take like a Samsung phone, they have a 100x zoom, and you can just zoom in on something like way in the distance, like, wow, that's crazy.
02:43:38.000Musk explained, the blind sight device for Neuralink will enable even those who have lost both eyes and their optic nerve to see.
02:43:45.000Provided the visual cortex is intact, it will even enable those who have been blind from birth to see for the first time.
02:43:52.000Here's the part that truly expands the horizons of what we think visions can be.
02:43:54.000At first, the vision will be low resolution, like Atari graphics, but eventually it has the potential to be better than natural vision and enable you to see in infrared, ultra-violent, or even radar wavelengths, like Geordi LaForge.
02:45:43.000I mean, if you were going to prophesize about the end of humanity, you'd probably prophesize about someone accepting some sort of a chip in their brain and everybody being forced to do it, some matrix-type situation.
02:47:24.000Well, you could see corporations as being in sort of a demonic state.
02:47:29.000So if you have an obligation to your shareholders to consistently provide higher and higher profits every quarter, and in order to do that, you have to do things that will cost people lives and destroy people's lives.
02:47:44.000Like, for instance, the Sackler family that got everybody hooked on opioids.
02:47:53.000And if I was under the throes of its spell, if I had gotten caught up in opioids, it would be very similar to being possessed by demons, having your life ruined by devils.
02:48:07.000Very similar, at least in result, right?
02:48:11.000Especially if you wind up committing crimes because you want to get your drugs, you wind up in jail, your life is over, maybe you destroyed other people's lives.
02:48:17.000It's very demonic in that way, like in the result, in the end result.
02:49:02.000If you can lie about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction, and you can justify an invasion of Iraq based on these clear lies, and then through that invasion, 500,000 children starve to death because of embargoes, countless people are killed that didn't have to be killed.
02:49:25.000The loss of at least a million lives over the course of the entire war and then the starving people afterwards?
02:49:32.000That's demonic, isn't it, for those people?
02:49:36.000Well, does that mean that you believe in the devil or Satan?
02:49:41.000I don't know what I believe in and what I don't believe in because I haven't experienced it.
02:49:45.000Maybe if I experienced Satan, I'd be like, wow, Satan's real.
02:50:00.000But if you say, the problem with America is the devil, and we will find the devil and we will root him out of our world, and that's what we're going to spend all your tax dollars on now.
02:50:14.000I think good and evil are real things.
02:50:16.000You can pray for God to bless their troops and you could pray for protection from Satan's influence on the troops if you were able to put the two like on...
02:50:27.000Right, as soon as you bring up Satan publicly, you lose all the secular people.
02:51:57.000So we know both those things are real things.
02:51:59.000We just don't know what's the root of them all and are there really angels and demons or are those the scapegoats for this bizarre dance of good and evil that just exists in the world?
02:52:13.000Well, if it weren't for Adam and Eve eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, there wouldn't be any perception of good and evil.
02:53:03.000Well, there's no mention of her in the Bible, per se, but there's a lot of mention of her in the rabbinic literature that sprung up after the Bible.
02:53:12.000Yeah, the story is that I think after Cain killed Abel...
02:55:15.000So when you're talking about the biblical translations of the Adam and Eve story that we're all accustomed to, It's all a watered-down, sort of, or a strange translated version of the ancient Hebrew, but you've read the actual ancient Hebrew version of it.
02:56:52.000Well, if you imagine that there was an Adam and Eve and you visualize the garden they were in and the snake and their interactions, there you have it.
02:57:01.000So you think the biblical interpretation is a literal recalling of actual events that took place?
02:58:10.000Perhaps an altered state of consciousness?
02:58:13.000No, I think it was a case of a woman standing near a tree and a snake coming up to her and saying certain things and they have a conversation.
03:00:44.000Is it also possible that something completely different took place, but that over time and over a oral tradition of who knows how many hundreds of years before they actually wrote it down and then writing it down, you're getting a version of the actual event that's very different than what really took place, but you think about it like the version in the scripture.
03:01:11.000And if you think about it in the version of the Scripture, are you thinking about it like as if this was an event as recorded, or are you thinking this is a representation of an archetype or some sort of moment in human history that they're trying to or are you thinking this is a representation of an archetype or some sort Well, if you consider— If that makes sense.
03:01:37.000Well, if you consider the text to be prophetically received, Prophecy is communication between the divine and man, and the text was prophetically received.
03:01:49.000In fact, Philo of Alexandria, one of Terence McKenna's heroes, used to say the most accurate historians were the prophets, because they heard it directly from the initiator of the event, the witness of the event, the one who could understand the event in the huge context.
03:02:10.000You know, so it's a prophetically received text, which means it contains information received from a spiritual sort of level, which you would think is a universal field of sorts.
03:02:26.000How much have you ever paid attention, if at all, to any of that ancient Sumerian stuff, like the Anunnaki?
03:02:57.000On my recall, it's quite fascinating, but not the details.
03:03:03.000Well, there's multiple versions of it.
03:03:06.000First of all, the fantastic story is told by Zechariah Sitchin.
03:03:12.000So Zechariah Sitchin, who wrote The Twelfth Planet, and he wrote several other books, he was a biblical scholar and a linguist, and he spent a lot of time studying the ancient Sumerian text, the cuneiform.
03:03:27.000And what he believes is that it tells a story of an ancient relationship between a race of beings on a far distant planet that's in an elliptical orbit, and it comes near Earth every 3,600 years, and that they had engineered human beings out and that they had engineered human beings out of lower primates.
03:03:47.000They had, like, accelerated our evolution, and that all of what we know about the cosmos, all of what we know about...
03:05:06.000Well, there are, you know, that is a story in the text, you know, before the flood, is, you know, the B'nai Elohim, you know, come down to earth, they have intercourse with You know, the daughters of man.
03:05:24.000And out of those relationships comes this race of giants.
03:05:55.000If they found some giants, Well, in the meantime, you can assume that the giants were real and understand their origin, what they were like, what they did, why they did it, what the results were.
03:06:10.000Yeah, the bizarre thing is they've isolated this area outside of the Kuiper Belt where they believe there's a large planetary body.
03:06:19.000That might be multiple times larger than Earth that exists out there right where you would imagine that this thing is.
03:06:26.000If there really is some sort of a planet that comes close to us with these super advanced beings.
03:06:32.000Yeah, I think I've heard of that actually.
03:06:49.000Well, if it were true, that sort of is what everyone's seeing when they're seeing UFOs and UAPs.
03:06:55.000They're probably visiting or they probably are always here.
03:06:58.000They're probably watching to make sure we don't blow ourselves up and probably assisting us on our journey of evolving past this primitive, violent state that we currently find ourselves in.
03:07:42.000Well, that's what's interesting about origin stories, right?
03:07:44.000And that's what's interesting about the biblical texts is that there are these stories about things that have gone horribly wrong and influences different things that happened to humanity and different cataclysms and disasters and These stories are shared through different cultures, which is really interesting.
03:08:02.000In the Epic of Gilgamesh, there's a flood story.
03:09:02.000I don't like all the anger that comes out of it, all the people that get mad at him and the disparaging remarks and how some archaeologists have severely overreacted to it as if it's some horrific threat.
03:09:15.000But it's fascinating, just the raw data.
03:09:20.000About the size of these stones, their alignment with constellations, the fact that these things have been there for at least 4,500 years, some of them.
03:09:32.000And some of them even further than that when you get to like Gobekli Tepe.
03:09:35.000To me it's just incredible to imagine people living 11,000 years ago.