The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2241 - Rick Strassman

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00:00:13.000 Hi Rick.

00:00:14.000 Hi.

00:00:14.000 Good to see you brother.

00:00:15.000 Good seeing you too.

00:00:16.000 So he's got this place called the Boneyard, my friend John Reeves in Alaska, and he made this for me too.

00:00:22.000 This is like a little skull.

00:00:24.000 That's a woolly mammoth tooth, like a molar.

00:00:27.000 Whoa.

00:00:28.000 Yeah.

00:00:29.000 So he has this incredible place.

00:00:31.000 And he was a gold miner, and still is.

00:00:35.000 And they started finding an extraordinary amount of tusks and bones and skulls from animals that aren't even supposed to have been there.

00:00:46.000 And it's kind of rewriting history, but it's all in his land. 0.89

00:00:52.000 So he has complete control over it.

00:00:54.000 And he has like, see, there's John.

00:00:57.000 He's this enormous dude.

00:00:59.000 He's like six foot nine, like a big giant man.

00:01:01.000 And he has, this is just some of it.

00:01:05.000 Like show those warehouses that he has.

00:01:06.000 So he had a research facility built on his property.

00:01:11.000 So they could study this stuff.

00:01:13.000 And if you see outside in the lobby, there's actually a bison skull.

00:01:16.000 It's like a 10,000-plus-year-old bison skull.

00:01:20.000 So this area is only a few acres.

00:01:23.000 This is what's really crazy.

00:01:25.000 He has one area that's like, I believe it's like four acres, and another area that's about six acres.

00:01:31.000 And there's also like a very heavy layer of carbon So it appears there was some sort of a mass fire.

00:01:41.000 And he thinks that this mass extinction event that all the people like Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson talk about with the end of the Younger Dryas, the Younger Dryas Impact Theory.

00:01:52.000 Sure, yeah, yeah.

00:01:53.000 He thinks it's connected to this, and he thinks that site might have been hit, and all these animals, probably in the Great Flood, their carcasses were washed into this sort of valley, this one area where they were kind of trapped up against the side of this mountain.

00:02:09.000 And so he hoses the mountain down.

00:02:12.000 It's all permafrost, so it's all been frozen forever.

00:02:15.000 And they have these high-pressure hoses, and they hose it until they expose like a tusk.

00:02:19.000 And this is what they do all day.

00:02:24.000 Yeah, those hosers are what they used to use for mining gold, too. 1.00

00:02:28.000 Yes, that's why he has them.

00:02:29.000 Yeah, that's exactly why he has them.

00:02:31.000 He's a gold miner.

00:02:32.000 Yeah, so this is around the southeast coast?

00:02:35.000 I don't know exactly what part of Alaska he's in, but it's really, really amazing stuff.

00:02:41.000 And another thing that he's exposed is that it's the Smithsonian, right, in New York?

00:02:46.000 No.

00:02:47.000 I think it's American History, AMNH. Well, find out what...

00:02:52.000 Museum of Natural History.

00:02:53.000 Museum of Natural History.

00:02:54.000 So they had, from the same property before he owned it, way back in, like, I think it was the 30s, they had so many bones from this part of Alaska where the previous people had found them that they didn't have any room to store them, so they dumped them in the East River.

00:03:11.000 Yeah.

00:03:12.000 And so they denied that the previous people...

00:03:14.000 Obviously, it's people that are long dead.

00:03:17.000 They denied that this happened and so he sent a bunch of divers out there and so they're recovering like these mammoth bones and all these like bison bones, step bison bones in the East River that are all from his property in Alaska.

00:03:35.000 Yeah, it'd be hard to explain how they got there otherwise.

00:03:39.000 It's the literally exact spot to look to.

00:03:42.000 He knew exactly where to go.

00:03:43.000 There's records of it, of where they dumped it.

00:03:46.000 And they still, to this day, have just crates of these bones.

00:03:51.000 Yeah, is that the reason he chose where he is living in Alaska?

00:03:55.000 I don't believe so.

00:03:57.000 No, he was there for gold mining.

00:03:59.000 I think it was something that came up along the way.

00:04:01.000 You know, because he's a gold miner, he's got a lot of disposable income, so he's willing to just spend it on his own to do this.

00:04:08.000 He doesn't trust the museums anymore because they screwed over the previous owner, and even though it's his property and his land, he's supposed to get that stuff and they don't want to give it to him.

00:04:17.000 And so he's got his own research facility that he built.

00:04:20.000 He spent millions of dollars building this enormous research facility on his property so that they could study these bones.

00:04:27.000 He's got warehouses full of them.

00:04:28.000 Yeah.

00:04:29.000 What's his background?

00:04:30.000 Like archaeology or something?

00:04:32.000 No.

00:04:32.000 He was a swimmer, right?

00:04:34.000 Yeah.

00:04:35.000 He was a swimmer in college and became a gold miner.

00:04:40.000 I mean, he told me the whole, whole, whole story.

00:04:43.000 I don't really totally remember it, but this is not something he wanted to get into.

00:04:47.000 It's like right in the middle near Fairbanks.

00:04:50.000 It's near Fairbanks.

00:04:51.000 Yeah.

00:04:51.000 So this is where John lives.

00:04:54.000 We do a podcast every year.

00:04:56.000 Every year he comes back, like the last podcast of the year generally, and he gives us an update on what's going on.

00:05:04.000 Yeah.

00:05:05.000 Let me take a look at that map.

00:05:06.000 You know, I spent my first year after finishing my psychiatry training in Fairbanks.

00:05:12.000 Oh, did you really?

00:05:13.000 Yeah.

00:05:13.000 That's an interesting psychiatry place because the psychology of people that live in Alaska is very different.

00:05:21.000 They're resilient humans.

00:05:23.000 Well, and they're there for a reason.

00:05:25.000 Right.

00:05:26.000 And their reason is to be at the end of the road.

00:05:28.000 Right.

00:05:29.000 Or their family's there and they've grown up there.

00:05:32.000 Yeah.

00:05:32.000 But you meet like, I felt like I was meeting people from another country.

00:05:37.000 I only worked in Alaska once.

00:05:39.000 I did a show in Anchorage.

00:05:40.000 It was a lot of fun.

00:05:41.000 Me and my friend Ari Shafir, we said, let's just fly up there, just like an adventure trip.

00:05:46.000 We'll do some salmon fishing, and then we'll go do a show.

00:05:50.000 And that's what we did.

00:05:51.000 And it's like the people feel different.

00:05:54.000 They feel different.

00:05:55.000 They're made out of harder things.

00:05:59.000 They're more durable.

00:06:01.000 Right.

00:06:02.000 When you were up there, did you get outside of Anchorage, like into the interior at all?

00:06:06.000 We didn't do much traveling.

00:06:09.000 I've been to Alaska a few times, a couple times for hunting trips, and I always feel the same way.

00:06:17.000 I always feel like it's another country.

00:06:19.000 It's just like very interesting.

00:06:21.000 It's a very strange atmosphere too, the climate and the geology and the feeling.

00:06:27.000 Because you're up so high on the planet.

00:06:30.000 You're close to the North Pole.

00:06:32.000 Yeah, when we were doing shows, I believe it was July or August where we were doing shows, and at night after the show, it was bright out.

00:06:39.000 You go outside, it was like you could see everything.

00:06:42.000 It was weird.

00:06:43.000 It felt like it was 5 p.m.

00:06:44.000 It's a very strange feeling.

00:06:45.000 Well, in the winter, too, you have maybe a couple hours of twilight.

00:06:49.000 Yeah.

00:06:50.000 And that's it.

00:06:51.000 And then sometimes all dark for a long time, too.

00:06:55.000 Well, that occurs above the Arctic Circle.

00:06:57.000 Have you ever seen that movie, 30 Days of Night?

00:07:00.000 It's a vampire movie?

00:07:01.000 Oh, yeah, with Kiefer Sutherland.

00:07:02.000 No, no, no.

00:07:04.000 That is The Lost Boys.

00:07:05.000 Oh, The Lost Boys, right.

00:07:06.000 Thirty Days of Night was cooler.

00:07:08.000 Not that there was anything wrong with The Lost Boys.

00:07:10.000 It's a little dated.

00:07:11.000 Thirty Days of Night is more modern and these vampires decided to descend upon this small town where it never turns light so they could just hunt all the time.

00:07:19.000 Yeah, that's clever.

00:07:21.000 Vampires are smarter than they look.

00:07:25.000 These are creepy vampires, too.

00:07:26.000 They've got horrifying teeth.

00:07:28.000 It's interesting how, you know, vampires sort of...

00:07:31.000 We decide that they look like Bela Lugosi, you know?

00:07:35.000 There's Dracula, that must be a vampire.

00:07:37.000 And then some people, they...

00:07:40.000 Have you ever wondered the root of some things like that?

00:07:44.000 I used to wholly dismiss ghosts as a young man.

00:07:49.000 When I was a boy, I believed in them because I was young and dumb.

00:07:53.000 And then as I got older, I was like, maybe there's a reason why...

00:07:57.000 If I've never experienced something and then I do experience it, how am I ever going to explain this to people where it's going to make any sense to someone else that hasn't experienced it before?

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00:11:18.000 Seriously folks, get on this.

00:11:20.000 Well, you're reporting on your subjective experience, right?

00:11:23.000 Right.

00:11:24.000 And it's one that a lot of people share, and so you can compare notes.

00:11:28.000 It's like dreaming.

00:11:29.000 You can't really prove that you dreamed or that you were in a dream state.

00:11:32.000 Right.

00:11:33.000 Yeah, it's a personal experience.

00:11:34.000 Yeah, but that's a common one, so you can compare notes.

00:11:38.000 I think that's how it works.

00:11:40.000 Haven't there been studies done, there's been something done where they've taken people in altered states and had them go into a room where they experienced, they weren't connecting, they weren't communicating, but they experienced incredibly similar environments.

00:12:00.000 I think that's in My Big Toe.

00:12:01.000 You know that Theory of Everything book?

00:12:05.000 I'm not familiar with it.

00:12:07.000 I think it's Thomas Campbell.

00:12:08.000 Is that who wrote that?

00:12:09.000 Yeah, it's really good.

00:12:10.000 I'm in the middle of that right now.

00:12:12.000 The Big Toe?

00:12:13.000 Yeah.

00:12:14.000 It's a very strange book.

00:12:16.000 Yeah.

00:12:16.000 That's the name of the book or the name of the experiment?

00:12:18.000 Yeah, that's the name of the book.

00:12:19.000 It's My Big Theory of Everything.

00:12:21.000 Toe is for Theory of Everything.

00:12:23.000 Oh, I see.

00:12:23.000 Okay.

00:12:24.000 But it has a picture of a toe on the cover.

00:12:26.000 Yeah.

00:12:27.000 When you were doing...

00:12:29.000 The DMT studies.

00:12:31.000 It's kind of a similar thing, right?

00:12:33.000 Like, if you had never experienced that, and someone was trying to describe it to you, it would sound completely like nonsense, just like a ghost would.

00:12:42.000 Right.

00:12:42.000 Or even a dream to somebody who had never dreamed.

00:12:45.000 Right.

00:12:46.000 Right.

00:12:47.000 Because there are people who don't dream, right?

00:12:49.000 Which is very strange.

00:12:50.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:12:51.000 Like, there are people with no imagination.

00:12:52.000 They can't visualize things.

00:12:54.000 That's so bizarre.

00:12:55.000 Yeah, and you give them psychedelics and they report that they can, but I mean, how do they know that they are?

00:13:02.000 Right.

00:13:04.000 That's an uncomfortable reality, that some people's brains don't work the same way.

00:13:08.000 Right.

00:13:10.000 It's a fact, though.

00:13:11.000 Well, it has to be.

00:13:12.000 I mean, just look at cultural choices.

00:13:16.000 Just look at the different kinds of music that people enjoy, the different kinds of food that people enjoy, and the different kinds of climate that they enjoy.

00:13:24.000 There is no way we're all seeing the same thing.

00:13:27.000 There's no way.

00:13:28.000 If food that tastes horrible to you is like a sacred delicacy to them, you know?

00:13:34.000 Yeah.

00:13:35.000 One of the ideas I put out in that 2014 book on the prophetic state, the soul of prophecy, I proposed that people respond ethnically or culturally differently to different endogenous psychedelics.

00:13:51.000 You know, the emphasis on the enlightenment experience in Buddhism might be because people in that part of the world produce or are more sensitive to 5-methoxy DMT, which gives you that white-out experience.

00:14:05.000 And with the other kind of religious experience, it's more DMT-like because it's full of angels and you speak to things, they speak to you.

00:14:14.000 So there may even be some kind of differential among people as far as the way they're hardwired for spiritual experience, even.

00:14:24.000 Well, it kind of makes sense, too, if the way they move through the world is through a specific cultural training, right?

00:14:31.000 The way their cultural thinks about things and... 1.00

00:14:35.000 Just imagine being born in an atheist, secular environment, and you're raised by those people, and then you meet someone who's born in a fundamentalist Christian religion, where it's very strict, and then they both meet when they're 14 and compare notes.

00:14:53.000 It'd be the most bizarre versions of the world, right?

00:14:57.000 Well, I mean, one version is there is no God, and the other version is that there is.

00:15:03.000 Right, but there's one version that God is not just a part of your life, but the only reason why anything was ever formed.

00:15:10.000 That's God's plan for everything.

00:15:11.000 That God has, you know, a plan for you.

00:15:15.000 And that if you follow the teachings of God, you'll ultimately go to heaven.

00:15:19.000 It's like very structured.

00:15:20.000 Where the other side, it's like death, life is suffering.

00:15:25.000 Who knows what happens when you die, but probably nothing.

00:15:29.000 If you feel depressed, you should probably go to the doctor and get a pill.

00:15:32.000 Yeah, yes.

00:15:33.000 So you wonder if the atheist's biology is different than the believers.

00:15:36.000 I wonder if it becomes different, right?

00:15:38.000 Because don't genes turn on and off expressions of genes based upon stress, based upon environments, a lot of things, right?

00:15:46.000 Right, and those changes can be inherited, you know, like passed on to the next generation and the next generation.

00:15:52.000 That's crazy.

00:15:53.000 Yeah, that's a theory about the syndrome of survivors of the Holocaust and their children and their children, is that the stress of being, for example, in the camps activated certain genes, which were then in an activated state, passed on to the following generations.

00:16:12.000 Yeah, we were just talking about that.

00:16:17.000 At what point does trauma end?

00:16:20.000 At what point did the effects of trauma end?

00:16:22.000 Is it in the first generation or the second?

00:16:25.000 And it's not just trauma, right?

00:16:27.000 It's also just stress, like the hormetic stress of starvation.

00:16:31.000 It actually makes the children of those people live longer. 0.71

00:16:36.000 Okay.

00:16:37.000 Dr. Rhonda Patrick talked about this.

00:16:39.000 It's really interesting.

00:16:40.000 Yeah, that's one of the spin-offs of fasting and starvation.

00:16:46.000 Speaking of starvation, there are a lot of studies of enforced starvation, like the camps in Africa at various times.

00:16:57.000 So there are some advantages, obviously to a point.

00:17:02.000 Yeah, obviously we'd never want to ask someone to do that.

00:17:04.000 But when people do it voluntarily, like when they go on these three and five day fasts, I've never met one person who said, I'll never do that again.

00:17:11.000 That was fucking terrible and stupid.

00:17:13.000 Yeah.

00:17:14.000 And I felt really dumb and I didn't feel alive at all.

00:17:17.000 No, they come back with like this very bizarre euphoric, just like, their version of it when they're expressing themselves, it seems like they were like on mushrooms.

00:17:26.000 Yeah.

00:17:27.000 It's weird.

00:17:27.000 Is that something you've tried?

00:17:29.000 No.

00:17:29.000 I've done a day.

00:17:31.000 I've done a day and I sneak in some espresso if I'm feeling, you know, deprived.

00:17:35.000 I don't think...

00:17:36.000 I think that's fine because this espresso doesn't...

00:17:39.000 I mean...

00:17:40.000 No calories.

00:17:41.000 Right.

00:17:41.000 There's no calories.

00:17:42.000 Yeah.

00:17:44.000 I should do it.

00:17:45.000 I should probably do like a three day, see what's up.

00:17:47.000 Because my friend Dana just did it.

00:17:48.000 I think Dana did a three or four day.

00:17:51.000 He said it was incredible.

00:17:53.000 But everybody reports all this energy, which is really fascinating because I guess that's your body surviving off ketones.

00:17:59.000 Oh, right.

00:17:59.000 You're in a ketotic state.

00:18:01.000 Well, when people fast for three or four days, do they drink water?

00:18:04.000 Yeah, they drink.

00:18:05.000 Oh, you have to.

00:18:06.000 I mean, there's a thing called a dry fast and people have done that.

00:18:09.000 I've heard of people doing like 48-hour dry fasts and that is no water as well.

00:18:14.000 You can keep that.

00:18:15.000 I'm so not interested in that.

00:18:17.000 Well, you can go on a vision quest back out in the desert, not drink or not eat, and you do start hallucinating.

00:18:24.000 Yeah, I love McKenna's take on that.

00:18:27.000 Do you know that?

00:18:28.000 I don't remember.

00:18:29.000 He told a story about how this monk, the Buddha was in town, this monk went to visit the Buddha, and he told the monk that he's practiced a city of levitation for the past 10 years, and now he can walk on water.

00:18:41.000 And the Buddha goes, yeah, but the ferry's only a nickel.

00:18:47.000 Here's my take on some of these things.

00:18:49.000 Just because it's hard to do, doesn't always mean it's good to do.

00:18:55.000 There are things that are hard to do, but they're good to do.

00:18:57.000 If you could run a marathon, at the end of that marathon, you're like, wow, I really did something.

00:19:01.000 And you feel good, and you're like, wow, you're a little beat up, but you have a new faith in yourself.

00:19:06.000 That's good to do.

00:19:07.000 It's hard to do, but good to do.

00:19:08.000 But if you run for seven days, and you almost die, Maybe.

00:19:14.000 Maybe you've crossed that line.

00:19:16.000 Well, I think a flip side of that is simple things can be good for you.

00:19:20.000 They don't have to be hard.

00:19:22.000 Sure.

00:19:23.000 No, things don't have to be hard to be good for you.

00:19:26.000 A puppy smiling or licking you and playing with you is good for you.

00:19:30.000 It's literally good for your body.

00:19:33.000 When people play with puppies, that happiness feeling that you get, like, what are you What are you doing?

00:19:37.000 What are you doing?

00:19:38.000 I know.

00:19:38.000 That's actually really good for you.

00:19:39.000 Oh, right.

00:19:40.000 Well, this new neighborhood I moved into in May, there's a park, Altura Park.

00:19:45.000 You wouldn't believe the number of dogs that are being walked around there.

00:19:48.000 There's these little tiny ones.

00:19:50.000 You know, like I haven't lived in the city in a long time.

00:19:52.000 I haven't seen tiny dogs.

00:19:54.000 But, man, there's some tiny dogs out there.

00:19:56.000 Yeah.

00:19:56.000 Jamie's got a tiny one.

00:19:58.000 He didn't bring them in today, but...

00:20:00.000 Carl's a little maniac.

00:20:01.000 He's a little French poodle or French bulldog.

00:20:03.000 He's like that big.

00:20:04.000 Yeah, they're cute.

00:20:05.000 He's adorable.

00:20:06.000 But does he weigh?

00:20:08.000 We're 16 pounds now.

00:20:10.000 He's jacked.

00:20:11.000 He really is jacked.

00:20:12.000 He's got a lot of muscles.

00:20:13.000 He's super aggressive.

00:20:15.000 Not with people.

00:20:16.000 Not real aggressive.

00:20:17.000 Playful.

00:20:18.000 Just wants to play constantly.

00:20:19.000 So I bring my dog, who's a golden retriever, who's the opposite.

00:20:22.000 He's just everybody's best friend.

00:20:24.000 If he meets you, he's like, you're my best friend!

00:20:26.000 He loves everybody.

00:20:27.000 And Carl just launches himself at him.

00:20:30.000 Yeah, the one dog I had was a miniature dachshund.

00:20:34.000 Oh, that was a cute little dog.

00:20:35.000 He was tough.

00:20:36.000 Really?

00:20:37.000 He bit children.

00:20:39.000 That's not good.

00:20:40.000 That's not tough.

00:20:41.000 He's an asshole.

00:20:43.000 Boy, that dog is an asshole. 0.67

00:20:44.000 Yeah.

00:20:45.000 That sucks.

00:20:45.000 Well, he lived 25 years.

00:20:47.000 Whoa.

00:20:47.000 Yeah.

00:20:48.000 Well, if I lived 25 years and I was a dog, I'd probably start biting kids, too.

00:20:51.000 Right.

00:20:51.000 Get me out of here.

00:20:52.000 Well, toward the end, he was wearing a diaper.

00:20:55.000 Oof.

00:20:57.000 I had a Mastiff and they unfortunately don't live very long and towards the end I used to have to carry him outside to go to the bathroom.

00:21:03.000 He couldn't even walk.

00:21:05.000 That's the real bummer is that you just love these creatures so much and they only live 10 years, 12 years, 13 years, you know?

00:21:12.000 Well, do you replace it?

00:21:13.000 No, you never replace it.

00:21:15.000 You get another dog.

00:21:16.000 You could always love other dogs.

00:21:18.000 I don't think there's anything wrong.

00:21:19.000 I don't think it's like disrespectful to your dog to get a new dog when they die.

00:21:23.000 It wants you to be happy.

00:21:25.000 Well, yeah, it doesn't have anything to do with it.

00:21:28.000 It's dead.

00:21:28.000 It's about you.

00:21:30.000 This is needless suffering.

00:21:32.000 Do you love dogs?

00:21:33.000 Do you miss having a dog?

00:21:33.000 Get another dog.

00:21:34.000 This idea you have to mourn your dog for a specific period of time, it's not a wife. 0.80

00:21:39.000 If your wife dies and then next Friday night you're on a date, that seems a little crazy.

00:21:44.000 You should probably be sad for a long time.

00:21:46.000 But if your dog dies, Like, come on, man.

00:21:50.000 Get another fucking dog. 1.00

00:21:52.000 Right.

00:21:53.000 Well, if it's your whole life, you know.

00:21:54.000 I love dogs.

00:21:55.000 I would never want to not have a dog.

00:21:57.000 I just don't get it.

00:21:58.000 Yeah, those Mastiffs are big. 1.00

00:22:00.000 He was a big fella.

00:22:01.000 But they get a lot of, like, real problems with their joints.

00:22:04.000 Because it's just so much weight.

00:22:06.000 Yeah.

00:22:06.000 Carrying a lot of weight.

00:22:07.000 Yeah.

00:22:08.000 Yeah, we were talking about Alaska and up in Fairbanks.

00:22:12.000 Yeah, I was a psychiatrist for the county for about a year.

00:22:15.000 Boy.

00:22:16.000 Yeah.

00:22:16.000 Yeah, it was amazing.

00:22:17.000 Well, it was interesting because I had kind of given up the idea of doing research.

00:22:22.000 And I thought, oh, I'll just practice psychiatry.

00:22:24.000 My girlfriend back then wanted to be a wildlife biologist.

00:22:28.000 Perfect place for that.

00:22:29.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:22:30.000 They've got a great department at the University of Alaska in Fairbanks.

00:22:34.000 Yeah, so we spent two months driving up there from Sacramento.

00:22:37.000 Just had a great time.

00:22:38.000 Wow.

00:22:39.000 And then I started working up there for about a year.

00:22:44.000 Cold.

00:22:45.000 The cold, the lowest it got down to was minus 49 one day in February.

00:22:52.000 And you're from New Mexico.

00:22:53.000 Well, Los Angeles, actually.

00:22:55.000 Oh, at that time?

00:22:56.000 Yeah.

00:22:56.000 Wow.

00:22:57.000 Well, it was snowing around Halloween, so I wasn't dressed for snow.

00:23:01.000 I'd never really lived in snow.

00:23:02.000 What was that like, going from Los Angeles to minus 39?

00:23:07.000 Well, I started to work on enjoying the dark.

00:23:12.000 Like, you know, as a rule, you know, people don't like the dark.

00:23:15.000 But there's forest all around town, and it's dark.

00:23:19.000 And especially in the winter, there's 18, 20 hours of pitch black.

00:23:23.000 That's so crazy.

00:23:24.000 Yeah, so I tried to imagine myself liking the dark.

00:23:29.000 And it wasn't all that successful.

00:23:31.000 I lasted about a year.

00:23:33.000 Is there a thing that happens, like, I lived in Boston when I was a kid, and one thing that it really does benefit you with bad weather is that when you have bad winters, you really love those summers.

00:23:48.000 Those summers are so special.

00:23:50.000 When me and my friends will, like, go out on a summer night, it's like, we...

00:23:54.000 It's like we were so happy.

00:23:56.000 It was warm out.

00:23:57.000 We're outside.

00:23:58.000 We're listening to music, hanging out together.

00:24:00.000 Boston, huh?

00:24:01.000 Yeah.

00:24:03.000 Is that because you have family there?

00:24:04.000 Well, no.

00:24:05.000 My family moved there when I was 13. So we moved.

00:24:09.000 We lived in Jamaica Plain for a year, and then we lived in Newton, which is a suburb of Boston.

00:24:14.000 It was a really nice, cool place to grow up.

00:24:16.000 Yeah.

00:24:18.000 I was in the Bronx for medical school.

00:24:20.000 Oh.

00:24:22.000 Bronx, New York.

00:24:23.000 And I lived in the city for about a year.

00:24:25.000 Yeah, it was great training.

00:24:27.000 Yeah, when you get, well, I'd imagine the characters you'd meet, and the characters you'd meet in Alaska.

00:24:33.000 I bet you met a lot of people on the run.

00:24:37.000 You know, I met a lot of Christians up in Alaska.

00:24:41.000 Really?

00:24:41.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:24:42.000 Mostly?

00:24:43.000 Well, my patient population, everybody, a lot of, the majority of people were pretty devout churchgoers and very strict about observance of the regulations in the Bible.

00:24:56.000 So it was a fairly conservative type of city.

00:25:02.000 That's interesting.

00:25:03.000 Did they impose it on other people?

00:25:05.000 Did they have a gay community up there?

00:25:07.000 They mostly imposed it on their kids. 0.76

00:25:10.000 The family dynamics up there were pretty stressful.

00:25:14.000 Lots of cocaine, too, because it's so dark and people get so depressed.

00:25:18.000 Oh, man.

00:25:19.000 Yeah.

00:25:19.000 Well, Fairbanks had a boom when they built the oil pipeline between Prudhoe Bay and Anchorage.

00:25:27.000 And so Fairbanks exploded in population.

00:25:31.000 And when I moved there, it had been shrinking a bit.

00:25:33.000 It's got the university, which is pretty cool up there, and amazing countryside, huge rivers, just enormous rivers.

00:25:40.000 The one outside of town was a good half a mile across.

00:25:44.000 Wow.

00:25:45.000 I went skiing out there once at 25 below on the frozen river.

00:25:50.000 It's like, oh, this is pretty nice.

00:25:52.000 And I'm along the shore and there's a dark spot in the middle of the river.

00:25:59.000 And I'm curious, I ski over to that dark spot, it's open water.

00:26:04.000 Oh, my God.

00:26:05.000 In the middle of a quarter mile.

00:26:07.000 And you were out there with your weight on skis.

00:26:10.000 So I backed up, skied back to the shore, and I felt really tired all of a sudden.

00:26:16.000 I looked down at the snow and I thought, well, maybe I could just take a little nap.

00:26:22.000 And I thought, well, you know, I'm getting hypothermic.

00:26:25.000 Let me run back to the car.

00:26:26.000 Do you think that's what it was?

00:26:27.000 Yeah, it was funny.

00:26:29.000 I wasn't cold.

00:26:30.000 I wasn't shivering or anything, but I just got really sleepy.

00:26:33.000 They say before you die, you actually want to take your clothes off, which is really crazy.

00:26:37.000 Yeah, that's what I've heard, like in the snow when you're freezing.

00:26:41.000 Yeah.

00:26:41.000 I kind of remember that.

00:26:44.000 And the bears up there are a force to contend with, the grizzly bears.

00:26:50.000 Oh, yeah, man.

00:26:51.000 Yeah.

00:26:52.000 One of my friends up there was living in a cabin and a bear just stuck his claws in the door, pulled the door out of the frame of the house.

00:27:02.000 Jesus Christ.

00:27:03.000 And went into the refrigerator, basically, and kind of cleared that out.

00:27:08.000 So was he home?

00:27:11.000 Up in his loft, yeah, sleeping.

00:27:13.000 So he was awake while this was going on?

00:27:14.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:27:17.000 Oh, my God.

00:27:18.000 So it just smelled food?

00:27:19.000 It smelled food.

00:27:20.000 It smelled him.

00:27:21.000 And they don't abide by any rules?

00:27:23.000 They don't really care about your door?

00:27:26.000 Well, you know, when I was up there, I learned to shoot a shotgun.

00:27:30.000 It's called a bear stopper.

00:27:32.000 It's a sawed-off shotgun you can carry with you if you're in the backcountry.

00:27:37.000 Yeah, you know, so they're just a...

00:27:39.000 Like a 12-gauge?

00:27:40.000 I think it was a 12-gauge.

00:27:42.000 Do you have slugs in it, or is it buckshot?

00:27:44.000 Oh, no, no, it had buckshot.

00:27:46.000 Okay.

00:27:47.000 So does that make it a 12-gauge?

00:27:49.000 No, it's all the pound of the round.

00:27:51.000 So a slug is like a chunk of lead, and buckshot is like a bunch of pellets.

00:27:57.000 Right.

00:27:58.000 So the buckshot is like it scatters into a pattern, and the further it is from the rifle barrel, like how far you're shooting, it's like if you're shooting 20 yards, It scatters quite a bit and it makes an area of impact about that big, like a basketball sized.

00:28:13.000 Or maybe a little smaller than that.

00:28:14.000 But a slug is a single object and it has a lot more force behind it.

00:28:18.000 So if you're shooting a bear, I would want a slug.

00:28:22.000 I think it was shot.

00:28:29.000 It's a deterrent, though.

00:28:30.000 I mean, you'll certainly deter them with buckshot.

00:28:33.000 Yeah, if you have a wide spray, it will deter them.

00:28:36.000 I kind of remember, although this may be wrong, that one barrel had buckshot in it and the other had a slug.

00:28:44.000 Okay, that makes sense.

00:28:45.000 Yeah, so you can slow it down.

00:28:47.000 You probably shoot the first shot to try to slow them down or to try to discourage them.

00:28:52.000 And if that doesn't work, the second one's lethal.

00:28:56.000 All right, and they're much closer to you at that point.

00:29:00.000 Yeah, so it is a pretty fun place to live in some ways.

00:29:03.000 Well, I think just that alone, the environment, just the fact that it gets that cold, it's so dangerous.

00:29:09.000 Everybody kind of has to stick together.

00:29:10.000 You have to help people.

00:29:11.000 If you see people stranded on the side of the road, you don't just pass them.

00:29:14.000 You have to help them.

00:29:15.000 A person might be dying in there.

00:29:16.000 And if you can get them out of there and get them to safety, you're supposed to do that.

00:29:19.000 So people, like, bond together a little bit more up there.

00:29:22.000 Well, and there's also the Northern Lights, which are just incredible.

00:29:25.000 Oh, yeah.

00:29:26.000 Yeah, the reds and the greens.

00:29:27.000 How often did you see those every year?

00:29:29.000 Pretty much every night in the winter.

00:29:32.000 And it was so quiet up there, you could actually listen to the Northern Lights.

00:29:37.000 They'd hiss and crackle.

00:29:39.000 Oh, wow.

00:29:39.000 Yeah.

00:29:40.000 It was pretty wild.

00:29:41.000 They hiss and crackle.

00:29:42.000 Yeah.

00:29:44.000 What exactly is going on with the Northern Lights?

00:29:46.000 Like what is that caused by?

00:29:47.000 The magnetosphere and some...

00:29:51.000 Solar rays?

00:29:52.000 Like what is...

00:29:53.000 Might be cosmic...

00:29:55.000 It wouldn't be solar rays because it's dark, right?

00:29:58.000 Right.

00:29:58.000 Yeah.

00:29:59.000 Unless it's like something that like is coming around the Earth.

00:30:02.000 Yeah.

00:30:03.000 What are they, Jamie?

00:30:04.000 Are they cosmic rays?

00:30:06.000 Must be something.

00:30:07.000 Yeah.

00:30:09.000 Coronal mass ejection, so solar.

00:30:11.000 And magnetic activity.

00:30:13.000 I guess there's a few reasons why they could be created.

00:30:15.000 I'm looking through this article.

00:30:17.000 That alone might be worth living up there for.

00:30:19.000 Well, in the winter.

00:30:20.000 You could just spend a week up there in the winter.

00:30:24.000 There are all kinds of hot springs in the area, too.

00:30:27.000 How hard is it to get around in the winter?

00:30:30.000 Your car needs to be equipped.

00:30:33.000 There's these things called battery blankets that you put under your battery to keep it warm.

00:30:39.000 You heat it?

00:30:40.000 Plug it in?

00:30:41.000 Yeah, it's plugged in to a parking meter or to the outside of a building.

00:30:48.000 Everybody keeps their vehicles plugged in during the day when they're at work.

00:30:53.000 You'd have to, right?

00:30:54.000 You'd have to, yeah.

00:30:55.000 And the other modification is an oil pan heater, which is the same basic principle.

00:31:04.000 It keeps the oil from turning into a solid block.

00:31:08.000 Yeah.

00:31:09.000 You know, when it gets really cold, your tires are square.

00:31:12.000 What?

00:31:13.000 And it's really hard to drive around in for the first couple of miles.

00:31:17.000 They have to warm up?

00:31:18.000 You have to drive them slow to get them warmed up again.

00:31:21.000 Because otherwise they're, like, flattened down at the bottom where your car's been sitting?

00:31:25.000 Right.

00:31:25.000 Whoa.

00:31:26.000 Yeah, cold.

00:31:27.000 That makes sense.

00:31:28.000 Yeah.

00:31:29.000 Isn't it amazing they still have to fill tires with air?

00:31:31.000 That seems like the stupidest thing.

00:31:33.000 Like if you can get those people that are working on AI to just take a couple years off and figure out tires.

00:31:37.000 Just take all these people that are making computers and figure out something that you don't have to put air in.

00:31:43.000 Mm-hmm.

00:31:45.000 With my garden tools or my garden carts, I use solid tires.

00:31:53.000 But they're a lot heavier.

00:31:55.000 They never puncture.

00:31:58.000 But there's a give factor with tires that's important to handling.

00:32:02.000 You know, there's things that are going on dynamically with tires when you're going around corners and your car has grip, you know, especially if you're off-roading, right?

00:32:12.000 They deflate their tires quite a bit to get more traction.

00:32:15.000 Well, and it also will...

00:32:18.000 Widens your footprint.

00:32:19.000 It widens your footprint so you won't get stuck in sand.

00:32:22.000 Yeah.

00:32:23.000 I used to spend a lot of time in Death Valley.

00:32:26.000 Oh, wow.

00:32:27.000 Driving around the sand?

00:32:28.000 Yeah.

00:32:28.000 And in the canyons to the east and to the west of the valley.

00:32:32.000 So I guess that's the benefit of air, is that you can air them down and do stuff with them.

00:32:35.000 But it seems like the negative side of it, of getting a flat and getting stuck in the middle of nowhere because you don't have any air in your tire, that seems crazy.

00:32:43.000 Yeah.

00:32:44.000 So vulnerable.

00:32:45.000 Yeah.

00:32:46.000 Like the one thing of your car, someone could just come by and go ch-ch-ch, stab your tire, and now your car's useless.

00:32:51.000 Right.

00:32:52.000 So vulnerable.

00:32:54.000 Yeah.

00:32:55.000 Yeah, flat tires.

00:32:58.000 So have you spent time in Death Valley?

00:33:01.000 No.

00:33:02.000 No.

00:33:02.000 Is it great?

00:33:03.000 Well, if you still like to take psychedelics, huh?

00:33:09.000 Who doesn't like to take psychedelics?

00:33:11.000 Yeah.

00:33:11.000 The best place or one of the best places is Death Valley.

00:33:15.000 That's what I've heard.

00:33:15.000 Yeah.

00:33:16.000 I've had friends that have had mushroom experiences out there.

00:33:19.000 Yeah, I've had some amazing experiences.

00:33:21.000 It's huge, first of all, and it's really old.

00:33:24.000 There's rocks out there that are two billion years old.

00:33:27.000 Really?

00:33:28.000 And you are tripping, for example, and you're touching these two billion years old rocks, and you really feel something that you don't feel anywhere else.

00:33:39.000 Wow.

00:33:40.000 Wow.

00:33:42.000 Very slow moving.

00:33:43.000 It's the wind, too.

00:33:44.000 There's great wind.

00:33:45.000 I learned to watch the wind there.

00:33:48.000 You can see like a shrub like a hundred yards away and it's moving.

00:33:54.000 And you can follow the wind as it goes up and down the canyon until it reaches you.

00:33:59.000 You can see the particles it's carrying and stuff.

00:34:02.000 You know, mostly the movement of the bushes, the shrubs.

00:34:08.000 Yeah, I had a lot of firsts in Death Valley.

00:34:11.000 In a lot of ways, I think I'm still working on some of those insights or those experiences, which I had in my late teens, early 20s.

00:34:20.000 Isn't that kind of always the case, though?

00:34:22.000 I think we come up with our best ideas from 19 to 21. Really?

00:34:27.000 I think so.

00:34:28.000 Oh, boy.

00:34:28.000 I'm in trouble, though, because I didn't have very many ideas.

00:34:31.000 Well, you must have had some experiences that steered you in a particular direction, didn't you?

00:34:36.000 Yeah, I guess I did.

00:34:39.000 But, you know, until I was 21, my whole life was martial arts, just martial arts training.

00:34:47.000 So my, you know, anything that I was interested in was interested in to make that better.

00:34:54.000 So I'd read like the Book of Five Rings, like Miyamoto Musashi.

00:34:58.000 I'd read a lot of psychology books.

00:35:00.000 I read books on discipline.

00:35:01.000 I read a lot of different books on how to control your mind under stress and things along those lines.

00:35:07.000 Yeah.

00:35:07.000 Well, it was a formative time then, right?

00:35:11.000 Yeah.

00:35:11.000 Yeah, it was definitely formative in that way.

00:35:13.000 Yeah, and you absorbed a lot.

00:35:15.000 Yeah.

00:35:16.000 I definitely absorbed a lot out of that.

00:35:18.000 It's just I didn't have hardly – I had almost zero ideas outside of martial arts.

00:35:24.000 I didn't care what was going on in the world.

00:35:26.000 I was not paying attention to politics.

00:35:28.000 I was not paying attention to world events.

00:35:30.000 As long as we didn't go to war with Russia, all I wanted to do was train.

00:35:34.000 Yeah.

00:35:36.000 Well, and look at you now.

00:35:39.000 Well, it opened up the door for a lot of other stuff.

00:35:42.000 But at the time, if you had asked me questions, I would not have been a good person to talk to.

00:35:48.000 Yeah.

00:35:49.000 What kind of questions wouldn't you have been able to answer back then?

00:35:52.000 Well, I knew nothing about the world.

00:35:55.000 Like, nothing.

00:35:56.000 Like, I knew nothing about other countries.

00:35:58.000 I knew nothing about the way politics work.

00:36:01.000 I had no interest in the economy.

00:36:05.000 I didn't care at all.

00:36:06.000 I didn't know how anything works.

00:36:07.000 I don't know the rules to any sports.

00:36:09.000 I didn't know what's happening when a basketball game's going on unless the ball goes in the net.

00:36:14.000 I don't know the rules of football.

00:36:16.000 I didn't know anything.

00:36:17.000 Like, most of my life.

00:36:19.000 Because all I was thinking about was martial arts when I was young.

00:36:21.000 Yeah, it's like being a monk almost.

00:36:23.000 In a lot of ways it was.

00:36:25.000 Because the way we treated the gym, like I remember I had this girlfriend in high school and she wanted to fool around at the gym and it was the Dojang is what it's called.

00:36:36.000 But I used to teach there and I had keys so I was there.

00:36:41.000 And she wanted to fool around there.

00:36:43.000 I'm like, there's no way.

00:36:44.000 We can't do anything here.

00:36:46.000 It's like a church or a temple.

00:36:47.000 Yeah.

00:36:48.000 I was 17, 18 years old, however I was.

00:36:52.000 Kids are so horny. 1.00

00:36:53.000 Anytime you're alone, you get a chance and she wants to do it.

00:36:56.000 And I was like, we can't do it here.

00:36:57.000 This is not possible.

00:36:59.000 We can't do it in the locker room.

00:37:00.000 We can't do it in the premises.

00:37:02.000 This is a church.

00:37:03.000 The ground you stand on is holy ground.

00:37:06.000 It was to me.

00:37:07.000 Because to me, it was like, this place is where I'm serious.

00:37:15.000 This is like a different place.

00:37:17.000 The rest of the world is the rest of the world.

00:37:19.000 But in this place, I control myself.

00:37:22.000 I control the environment.

00:37:25.000 I exist by the rules.

00:37:27.000 There's very strict rules.

00:37:28.000 You bow.

00:37:29.000 Even if no one was around, I bowed to the flag every time I entered into the dojang.

00:37:34.000 To the flag?

00:37:35.000 Always.

00:37:35.000 It was a Korean flag.

00:37:37.000 So what did it represent?

00:37:39.000 It just represented respect.

00:37:41.000 Respect for the country?

00:37:42.000 For the space that you're in.

00:37:44.000 Like, you're bowing before you enter this space.

00:37:46.000 Like, it didn't matter if it was a flag.

00:37:48.000 I wasn't really bowing to South Korea.

00:37:50.000 I was bowing to the idea that this is a very sacred space that I'm going into.

00:37:54.000 Yeah.

00:37:56.000 In my Zen training over the years, we did a lot of bowing to statues, to people, to images, to photographs.

00:38:07.000 Before we ate, we would bow to the food.

00:38:10.000 Yeah, so lots of bowing.

00:38:12.000 It's an interesting experience to bow, to really kind of get yourself together and lower your head and be humbled, be, you know, like in the presence of something greater.

00:38:24.000 Yeah, I think it's beneficial for people.

00:38:26.000 I think that kind of voluntary humility is very important.

00:38:30.000 And if you can establish that as an ethic and sort of get it into your psychology.

00:38:35.000 Well, you know, it's really important to be humble.

00:38:38.000 I've been studying about humility.

00:38:40.000 There's this great line.

00:38:42.000 Humility is the ladder through which one can grasp every other good thing.

00:38:46.000 Ooh.

00:38:48.000 That is great.

00:38:49.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:38:50.000 I try to read this once a week and That really is great.

00:38:54.000 Yeah, and I'm going to be really humble.

00:38:56.000 I might be the most humble person there ever was.

00:38:58.000 I like how you got that.

00:38:59.000 You actually photocopied that.

00:39:01.000 It's got the darkness where the binder is in the center.

00:39:04.000 Yeah, it's a serious thing.

00:39:06.000 That's awesome.

00:39:07.000 That's awesome.

00:39:07.000 What a great quote.

00:39:08.000 Yeah, it's like to not be humble.

00:39:11.000 We like our sports stars to not be humble, and that's about it.

00:39:16.000 Everybody else, we appreciate a little humility.

00:39:18.000 Even sports stars, you know, praise Jesus or something.

00:39:21.000 Well, I mean, can you be too humble?

00:39:23.000 Sure.

00:39:24.000 Which would look like what?

00:39:26.000 Well, you can be too humble in the sense that you don't have confidence in your ability to do something that is sort of open.

00:39:37.000 Some open-ended, you don't know how it's going to turn out.

00:39:40.000 Something where it's dangerous, you're going to take a risk.

00:39:42.000 You have to be bold.

00:39:44.000 You have to have enough confidence in yourself that you can navigate a thing that very few people navigate.

00:39:49.000 If you choose to start your own business, if you choose to quit what you're doing and go on a journey because you really feel compelled to have other life experiences, if you're too humble, you might not be willing to bet on yourself.

00:40:03.000 And I think that would ultimately be bad.

00:40:07.000 Yeah, I think one of the things, too, about being too humble is you just suppress all of your feelings.

00:40:13.000 You think you should have no feelings at all.

00:40:15.000 In other words, you know, responding to things in your world.

00:40:20.000 Insults or harm being, you know.

00:40:22.000 Right.

00:40:22.000 So you can get in a bad relationship and have someone yelling at you all the time and you just, you're humble, you handle it.

00:40:28.000 Well, if you think you're humble, you might not be able to handle it, although you might pretend that you are.

00:40:34.000 Yeah.

00:40:35.000 Well, if you pretend long enough, you become.

00:40:38.000 Humble.

00:40:38.000 Yeah, you could become.

00:40:39.000 You know what I always tell guys?

00:40:41.000 I say this whenever possible.

00:40:45.000 You should aspire to be the person you pretend to be when you're trying to get laid.

00:40:51.000 Who do you pretend to be when you're trying to get laid? 1.00

00:40:53.000 You pretend to be really interesting, really nice, really kind.

00:40:57.000 Wouldn't it be easier to just be that person?

00:40:59.000 But there's a success aspect of the courtship thing where you want to show your success, which is anti-humble.

00:41:08.000 But you've got to be careful with doing it because then you look braggy.

00:41:11.000 But you want to show the person that you're dating that you're valuable.

00:41:14.000 You're a person who can accomplish things.

00:41:18.000 So many people just put on a show when they're meeting people, when they're dating.

00:41:22.000 They put on a show.

00:41:23.000 They pretend to be someone who they're not.

00:41:25.000 I'm like, wouldn't it be better if you just become that person?

00:41:28.000 Well, I think that's one of the advantages of Zoom, is there's no pressure when you first meet someone.

00:41:34.000 Who's having Zoom dates? 1.00

00:41:36.000 Are people doing that?

00:41:37.000 I've done it.

00:41:39.000 Fuck you, you freak.

00:41:42.000 It's a good move.

00:41:44.000 It's almost like a podcast.

00:41:46.000 Well, and you wouldn't necessarily feel the pressure to, you know, go to bed right away.

00:41:51.000 Of course.

00:41:51.000 And you don't feel the pressure to, like, have to get out of the situation if it doesn't go well.

00:41:56.000 You can just kind of hang up.

00:41:58.000 Bye!

00:41:58.000 Yeah, and you can...

00:42:00.000 If you meet somebody, it's rough.

00:42:01.000 You don't want to just abandon them.

00:42:02.000 Well, you can keep it low profile, too.

00:42:05.000 You could just be in your bathroom, sitting on the toilet, talking to your friend.

00:42:09.000 Yeah.

00:42:11.000 Keeping it low profile, keeping it casual.

00:42:13.000 But if you look at the numbers, you're seeing the numbers of the way people met in the past versus today.

00:42:20.000 I think it's 25% meet online now and get married?

00:42:23.000 I think it's more than that.

00:42:25.000 Oh, wow.

00:42:25.000 I think it's a really high percentage of people who meet today meet online.

00:42:29.000 But the thing is, this was a video.

00:42:32.000 So it showed like 1900s where like everybody sort of met either through family or through church or that kind of deal.

00:42:41.000 And then over time, it becomes women enter the workplace and then people are meeting people at work and then the internet comes along.

00:42:49.000 It just...

00:42:50.000 Yeah.

00:42:51.000 What do you think of arranged marriages? 0.73

00:42:55.000 Well, it sounds terrible.

00:42:58.000 It sounds like you don't have any choice.

00:43:00.000 And if you have domineering parents, then your parents are going to match you up with somebody else's kid because they're friends with this guy.

00:43:08.000 And, you know, this guy's son is looking for a wife.

00:43:13.000 And you're a lady that has a dad that tells you what to do. 0.99

00:43:16.000 And you're like, why?

00:43:17.000 I don't want to marry this guy.

00:43:19.000 I don't even know this guy.

00:43:20.000 Well, your parents would need to be straight shooters.

00:43:22.000 You would want to trust them.

00:43:24.000 If your parents were straight shooters, would they be doing an arranged marriage? 0.99

00:43:28.000 In certain cultures, yeah, there are a lot of arranged marriages.

00:43:30.000 And I think they do tend to work out.

00:43:33.000 I haven't looked at the data, but they couldn't do worse than the marriage's success right now.

00:43:38.000 If you could leave a little pad of paper and a pen to slay it around so they could write you a note when no one knows about it, what's really going on, I bet it would be like a message in the bottle.

00:43:46.000 Like, come save me!

00:43:48.000 Help me!

00:43:49.000 How's Linda doing over there? 1.00

00:43:51.000 Oh, she loves it.

00:43:51.000 She loves this arranged marriage.

00:43:53.000 Linda's like, she can't go anywhere. 1.00

00:43:55.000 Where's she going to go? 0.94

00:43:56.000 If you're in the kind of controlling culture that even considers an arranged marriage, I mean, it's a very strict culture.

00:44:02.000 Not saying it's negative, but it's very strict.

00:44:04.000 And if you have great parents, and they're really wise in their choices, and you're in a culture that has an arranged marriage, and your parents are like, Super kind and generous and they trust you and they love you and they think you're amazing and then they want to hook you up with an amazing person Maybe it can work out, but generally I think you give people the freedom to do whatever they want to do and maybe that lady never wants to get married Maybe she's decided like I don't like how this is.

00:44:34.000 I want to throw myself into my work.

00:44:36.000 I want to travel the world I want to do this like you could do whatever the fuck you want to do in your ride.

00:44:40.000 Yeah That wouldn't work in those kinds of cultures.

00:44:43.000 So I don't like that I don't like that.

00:44:47.000 I don't like anything where people are telling you what to do.

00:44:50.000 And that's what an arranged marriage is.

00:44:52.000 It's someone's telling you what to do.

00:44:53.000 If you can't say no, I mean, maybe I'm ignorant, I should say.

00:44:58.000 Like, maybe an arranged marriage is a proposal.

00:45:00.000 Like, they propose an arranged marriage and they both agree on it.

00:45:03.000 Maybe.

00:45:03.000 If that's what you're into...

00:45:04.000 I think that's the case, that if there's no chemistry at all and the woman or the guy says, forget it, I'm not interested, I think you're free to end it.

00:45:13.000 I would hope so.

00:45:15.000 But I would guarantee you that's not always the case.

00:45:18.000 Especially in some more restrictive parts of the world where women, you know, are forced to, like... 1.00

00:45:25.000 Follow completely different rules than the men, which is a reality of the world we're living in today. 0.98

00:45:31.000 There's parts of the world where they think in a very archaic way, and women are second-class citizens. 1.00

00:45:38.000 I mean, the Mideast.

00:45:40.000 I mean, look at that place.

00:45:41.000 It's just—it's ablaze.

00:45:45.000 Yeah.

00:45:45.000 It's ablaze.

00:45:46.000 Well, I have a good friend of mine who came on the podcast recently and was talking about his experiences in Afghanistan and how crazy it is there.

00:45:56.000 And he's like, it's like you're going back in time a thousand years, like the way women are treated and children are treated, the amount of pedophiles and open molestation of boys and just murder.

00:46:12.000 Why do you think, at least in particular, that Jerusalem is just such a hotbed?

00:46:18.000 It's a point of contact and conflict for all three major religions.

00:46:23.000 Islam, Christianity, and Judaism all claim that small bit of land.

00:46:31.000 I wonder what it is about that part of the world.

00:46:34.000 Well, it's got to be from the Bible, right?

00:46:36.000 I mean, that's the significance of it as holy land.

00:46:41.000 The concept of Holy Land is always so...

00:46:46.000 If there's a place where it is literally in the Bible that this is the place where Jesus is going to return to, this is going to be a place where people do battle over.

00:46:57.000 You can't let the enemy control the place where Jesus comes back to.

00:47:01.000 Because what if Jesus comes back and they immediately snuff him out because they're Islamists? 1.00

00:47:05.000 Right.

00:47:06.000 Well, it goes even further back than that.

00:47:09.000 You know, it was the location of the temple.

00:47:12.000 The temple of the God of the Hebrews was built in Jerusalem, the first and the second.

00:47:17.000 How much history is there?

00:47:19.000 Like, how far does it go back?

00:47:21.000 Well, you know, Judaism began, what, maybe 4,000 years ago.

00:47:25.000 And the first temple was built.

00:47:27.000 Oh, gosh, I should know this.

00:47:30.000 It stood for 400 years.

00:47:33.000 Then it was destroyed.

00:47:34.000 And the second temple lasted around 400 years.

00:47:37.000 It was destroyed in 70 CE, the second temple.

00:47:42.000 When was the first temple in existence, Jamie?

00:47:47.000 So even if that's the timeline, so we're looking at about 4,000 years, right?

00:47:57.000 You know, like Abraham, you know, the first of the Hebrews, lived around 1800 BCE. So 2000 BCE, the first known mention of the city, so that's 2000 before current era in Middle Kingdom Egyptian, how do you say that?

00:48:18.000 Excration?

00:48:18.000 Excration texts?

00:48:19.000 What does that mean?

00:48:21.000 Excration texts?

00:48:22.000 Oh, oh, curses.

00:48:26.000 Curses?

00:48:26.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:48:27.000 Really?

00:48:28.000 Yeah, execrations are curses, extreme curses.

00:48:31.000 Really?

00:48:31.000 Yeah.

00:48:32.000 If you execrate someone, you are really cursing them.

00:48:35.000 Ancient Egyptian hieratic text listing the enemies of the pharaoh, most often the enemies of Egyptian state or troublesome foreign neighbors.

00:48:43.000 The texts were most often written upon statuettes of bound foreigners.

00:48:48.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:48:49.000 Bulls, or what was the other word that said there?

00:48:52.000 Is it bulls or...

00:48:54.000 It's blocked out.

00:48:56.000 Execration texts.

00:48:58.000 Yeah.

00:48:59.000 Oh, or blocks of clay or stone.

00:49:02.000 Wow.

00:49:03.000 Yeah, I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of an Egyptian execration text. 0.99

00:49:08.000 Jesus.

00:49:09.000 How wild.

00:49:12.000 Yeah, so Jerusalem is an old city, and, you know, the temples were there a long, long time ago.

00:49:18.000 Yeah, and, you know, the location of the temples relates to dreams of Jacob, who was laying on the ground and on a stone and, you know, made of a vow, you know, to God, you know, the God of the Hebrews who, you know, Jacob was commuting with to build the house of the Lord there.

00:49:36.000 And so, you know, there's a long history of that part of the world being associated with the patriarchs and with the temple.

00:49:46.000 You know, Christianity has an association to Jerusalem because of Jesus.

00:49:51.000 I'm not sure what the connection between Islam and Jerusalem is.

00:49:55.000 It's clearly more recent.

00:49:58.000 Well, isn't it always the sort of situation where when someone really likes a thing, everybody wants it?

00:50:04.000 Yeah.

00:50:06.000 Well, there's things called greed, envy, and jealousy.

00:50:11.000 I've always liked the distinction among those three qualities.

00:50:17.000 Here it says, Jerusalem is revered by Muslims as the third holiest place on earth, and the pilgrimage to Jerusalem is viewed as an optional compliment to the pilgrimage to Meqra, the Hajj.

00:50:31.000 Unlike the Hajj, the pilgrimage to Jerusalem is undertaken individually at any time of the year.

00:50:39.000 Well, you know, I've never been to Israel.

00:50:42.000 Now's not a good time.

00:50:43.000 No, no.

00:50:44.000 And, you know, there's this thing called the Jerusalem complex.

00:50:48.000 Yeah, I've heard of that before.

00:50:50.000 Yeah, you are like...

00:50:51.000 You think you're a messiah when you get there?

00:50:53.000 Right, right.

00:50:53.000 I'm the messiah.

00:50:54.000 Right.

00:50:54.000 So, you know, that might be a problem.

00:50:59.000 You could see how it would really be a problem if someone was inclined to that, you know, headed in that direction.

00:51:05.000 Well, I think, you know, one of the problems with the current psychedelic scene is this messianism.

00:51:12.000 You know, that it's going to heal everything.

00:51:14.000 There'll be world peace.

00:51:15.000 It'll be a utopia.

00:51:16.000 There's also, I think, a prevalence of this kind of spiritual narcissism.

00:51:23.000 Oh, good.

00:51:24.000 I'm glad you see that.

00:51:25.000 Yeah.

00:51:25.000 It's important.

00:51:26.000 It's a prevalence of it.

00:51:27.000 It seems like there's a lot of people that...

00:51:30.000 They attach themselves to this thing and then use this to behave in a completely different way.

00:51:36.000 Instead of a person who's experiencing it like everybody else, they're like a leader, right?

00:51:43.000 And I think there's a real danger in that, expressing these thoughts to other people as pure facts.

00:51:49.000 You know, the way to live your life.

00:51:51.000 Like, listen, you don't know how...

00:51:53.000 Stop, okay?

00:51:54.000 There's ways you've learned to live your life better because of that.

00:51:58.000 You should be just talking about those experiences.

00:52:00.000 But when you start giving people instruction in how to do things and then, you know, organizing people together, I think that's a symptom of this spiritual narcissism.

00:52:11.000 That people, if you're attached to this, you're attached to something divine, which I think we would both agree it is, You can imagine that you are divine or you can project that you are divine.

00:52:25.000 I think there's a temptation to do that.

00:52:28.000 Well, I think it strengthens pre-existing, for example, personality traits, like you're saying.

00:52:35.000 Like if you're a narcissistic person and you trip, you'll just get more enamored with yourself and more convinced that what you think is true.

00:52:45.000 That seems terrible.

00:52:46.000 Yeah.

00:52:46.000 Well, it's one of the dark sides of psychedelics.

00:52:49.000 Well, that's weird, right?

00:52:50.000 Because as you were saying before, like there's people that want to think it's like a cure-all.

00:52:56.000 It's not necessarily.

00:52:57.000 It's a tool.

00:52:58.000 And if it was a cure-all, it would have already cured us.

00:53:01.000 We would have been cured like thousands of years ago.

00:53:03.000 People would have worked out all this nonsense.

00:53:06.000 Right, right.

00:53:07.000 I think it just works on what's already in your head.

00:53:09.000 You may not acknowledge it or think about it or even remember it.

00:53:14.000 And psychedelics will shed light on what's already there.

00:53:17.000 Well, how about the Vikings?

00:53:18.000 Right?

00:53:19.000 I mean, they would take mushrooms before they kill people.

00:53:22.000 The berserkers?

00:53:23.000 Yeah.

00:53:24.000 Yeah, the berserkers.

00:53:25.000 Well, see?

00:53:26.000 I mean, you could do anything you already, you know, believe in.

00:53:29.000 Yeah, and something you're already, you know, you're already inclined to believe.

00:53:34.000 You believe that it's good to go slaughter people.

00:53:36.000 Well, I think that's one of the interesting things about Brian Muir Rescue's book, is that I don't think these ideas came from the drugs.

00:53:46.000 I think they were just made more manifest, more meaningful, more real than they were before because of the drugs.

00:53:54.000 So if you're a Viking and you want to go out and kill, if you're living in a religious community with certain beliefs and you want to believe them even more firmly or practice more intensely, psychedelics could have that effect.

00:54:08.000 That makes sense.

00:54:10.000 I mean again like we're talking about like the culture that you live in is – this is the view.

00:54:18.000 Whatever the constraints of that culture, this is the window in which you view the world.

00:54:22.000 You view it through this culture and you view it through these belief systems that you have sort of adopted over time.

00:54:30.000 Yeah, I think that's what's going on with the beings in the DMT world. 1.00

00:54:35.000 I don't think they are necessarily freestanding intelligences, but they're the way our culture, our personal culture and our larger culture And wrap in a visible form certain information, certain kinds of input, either from the outside world or in your own mind.

00:54:57.000 So it's culture-specific, I think, the visions that you would see.

00:55:02.000 I don't think they're like aliens from another planet, although I kind of thought that in the beginning.

00:55:08.000 But as time has gone on and I've heard more and more stories, I'm I'm more inclined to believe these are simply projections taking the garb of the personal milieu.

00:55:20.000 Yeah, maybe.

00:55:21.000 That's the problem.

00:55:23.000 The problem is, yeah, maybe.

00:55:24.000 Because you can go down that road and just decide, oh, no, no, no, what these are, these are thoughts, and thoughts have a consciousness of their own, and we think of them as being independent Like they're just created by the human mind, but no, the human mind is probably tuning into these things and they can appear as entities.

00:55:48.000 I think thoughts might be a living thing.

00:55:51.000 It sounds stupid to say out loud, but the idea is everything that exists on Earth that humans have created, every single one of them came from an idea.

00:56:02.000 Which is weird because it's had so much of an impact, so much of an impact on the world.

00:56:10.000 Well, you know, one of the ideas in the medieval philosophers was that thought or thoughts are intermediaries between you and God.

00:56:24.000 You know, they're angels which are exchanged between you and some divine external source of information.

00:56:32.000 So, if you're thinking of how thoughts have directed the world's growth, I mean, you could even extrapolate to, well, maybe it's the divine plan for humanity.

00:56:48.000 Well, there's certainly something going on.

00:56:50.000 If you objectively just step outside of human culture and just watch the world, It's certainly moving in a very specific direction, and that direction is very much technologically driven.

00:57:04.000 There's something really crazy going on in a technological direction.

00:57:09.000 And then all that stuff is coming from ideas.

00:57:11.000 So ideas...

00:57:13.000 Are popping into people's heads.

00:57:14.000 They're over the course of hundreds and thousands of years.

00:57:18.000 These ideas are propagated and given to other people and they expand upon them and then more ideas take place and then more execution of these ideas and it changes the landscape and changes the ocean.

00:57:30.000 It changes the seas.

00:57:31.000 It's very, very weird.

00:57:34.000 Well, I think it's a case of cause and effect.

00:57:38.000 Certain causes produce certain effects.

00:57:42.000 And the rules of nature, let's say, or the rules of thought, like how the brain creates thought, they are regulated in a particular manner.

00:57:53.000 There's an order to chemistry.

00:57:55.000 Certain chemical reactions occur for this or that reason.

00:57:58.000 You know, so it's as if, you know, the system is already set up to encourage certain behaviors, have certain ones, certain ideas form and other ones not form.

00:58:12.000 You know, cause and effect if you, you know, like if something bad happens to you, it's because of what happened before.

00:58:19.000 If something good happens to you, it's because of what happened before.

00:58:22.000 So you learn from your experience to do things that result in you feeling better, positive outcome.

00:58:30.000 So the system is developed that way.

00:58:35.000 For example, if you get angry, you might stub your toe.

00:58:39.000 That's how it works.

00:58:40.000 And you're in pain and you think, oh, I shouldn't be angry.

00:58:42.000 Or you're nice to someone and they're nice to you as opposed to being mean to you.

00:58:48.000 I think the world, I think existence is set up in a certain way to encourage certain behaviors and discourage others.

00:58:57.000 That's what's weird.

00:58:59.000 I think the technological stuff.

00:59:02.000 It's pretty interesting now.

00:59:06.000 But it speaks like a larger phenomenon, which is how cause and effect has been set up.

00:59:14.000 Well, it's how cause and effect has been set up, but it's also there's a very weird competitive drive towards technological innovation that exists with people because it's attached to monetary gain, right?

00:59:29.000 And the companies that are involved in the most technological, sophisticated work, whether it's AI or whether it's social media, like when you're programming things in a giant scale, it's incredibly profitable.

00:59:42.000 Incredibly profitable.

00:59:43.000 And the technology moves along with the profit.

00:59:47.000 And ultimately, it's going to make a being.

00:59:51.000 It's pretty close to making a being.

00:59:54.000 Yeah.

00:59:56.000 Well, I think the future lies as much in genetic engineering as well.

01:00:04.000 Oh, yeah.

01:00:04.000 It's not like it's binary.

01:00:06.000 Right.

01:00:06.000 It's not like there's one thing or nothing.

01:00:08.000 Yeah.

01:00:08.000 I think the biological and manipulation and the AI development is going to be – I think it's going to produce a hybrid.

01:00:19.000 100 percent.

01:00:19.000 I think so too.

01:00:20.000 I think that's the only way we live.

01:00:22.000 I think we have to accept the fact that they're here and join them.

01:00:27.000 Because I think as biological meat vehicles, we're just too limited.

01:00:30.000 Our evolution is too slow.

01:00:33.000 We're like if you decided to run your entire business on a laptop from 1995. It's too slow.

01:00:41.000 You can't do that anymore.

01:00:43.000 You have to catch up.

01:00:44.000 If you want to be a part of this world today, and that's not that long.

01:00:47.000 1995 was 29 years ago.

01:00:49.000 Just crazy.

01:00:50.000 That's not that long ago.

01:00:51.000 That laptop's useless.

01:00:53.000 Yeah, so in what kind of ways has AI impacted you?

01:00:56.000 It hasn't impacted you.

01:00:57.000 It hasn't impacted me.

01:00:58.000 Well, it has.

01:00:59.000 Visually, I've seen a lot of really wild things online.

01:01:04.000 There's a bunch of them.

01:01:05.000 There's one that I posted that some guy made.

01:01:07.000 It's Donald Trump playing Credence Clearwater Revival on a guitar.

01:01:12.000 Pull it off on my Instagram.

01:01:14.000 You should see this.

01:01:15.000 And Kamala Harris is in it.

01:01:19.000 And Macron or Justin Trudeau's in it.

01:01:22.000 But it's so realistic.

01:01:24.000 I mean, it's obviously not.

01:01:25.000 Like, you look at it, I know it's not really them.

01:01:27.000 But it's so close.

01:01:29.000 It's weird.

01:01:30.000 Do you like Credence?

01:01:31.000 Love Credence.

01:01:32.000 Yeah.

01:01:32.000 I love Credence.

01:01:35.000 And it's Fortunate Son.

01:01:38.000 So it's a banger song.

01:01:40.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:01:40.000 That's a great song.

01:01:42.000 It's Donald Trump.

01:01:43.000 You see Donald Trump playing guitar.

01:01:45.000 I ain't no senator's son.

01:01:49.000 It's pretty recent.

01:01:50.000 Scroll down.

01:01:54.000 Keep going.

01:01:56.000 There it is.

01:02:00.000 Give me some volume.

01:02:02.000 Look at Putin's on the drums.

01:02:04.000 Kamala Harris is wearing a witch hat. 0.73

01:02:05.000 Look at that guy.

01:02:07.000 Come on, man.

01:02:08.000 Give me volume.

01:02:08.000 Oh, we can't?

01:02:09.000 Boris Johnson.

01:02:10.000 We get in trouble with the YouTube police.

01:02:12.000 Look at that.

01:02:13.000 Kim Jong-un, Biden.

01:02:15.000 This is crazy.

01:02:16.000 Look how good this is, though.

01:02:17.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:02:18.000 I mean, it's not quite good enough where you can't tell that it's AI generated, but it's unbelievably close.

01:02:25.000 Yeah.

01:02:26.000 Obama's the Joker.

01:02:27.000 How bizarre.

01:02:28.000 Yeah.

01:02:29.000 It's so weird, right?

01:02:31.000 Isn't it weird?

01:02:32.000 Yeah.

01:02:33.000 It is hilarious.

01:02:34.000 It's scary though.

01:02:35.000 It is.

01:02:36.000 And Jamie was just talking about Sora, that there's a new version of Sora that was released.

01:02:40.000 Was it today?

01:02:42.000 I'm waiting for it to show up on my account, but everybody who's got open AI can use Sora.

01:02:46.000 Sora is a new video generator through AI. So you put in prompts.

01:02:55.000 So show him the Japanese one. 1.00

01:02:59.000 Is there new stuff?

01:03:01.000 There's all sorts of stuff, yeah.

01:03:02.000 So the Japanese one was incredible.

01:03:05.000 So it's like, show me a street in Japan where the snow is falling.

01:03:09.000 And, you know, like a drone shot from overhead.

01:03:12.000 So you see these people, and it looks entirely like a real scene.

01:03:16.000 It looks absolutely like someone's filming.

01:03:18.000 This is nine months old, so this is just older stuff, but this is like a prompt for puppies in snow.

01:03:22.000 Look at this.

01:03:25.000 Who doesn't like puppies?

01:03:26.000 Who doesn't like puppies?

01:03:27.000 But that's fake.

01:03:28.000 This is what's crazy.

01:03:29.000 This is all generated by AI, and it's pretty indistinguishable.

01:03:34.000 Yeah.

01:03:35.000 I mean, look at this.

01:03:36.000 This is all AI. Nuts.

01:03:39.000 Good thing I'm not on drugs.

01:03:41.000 I know.

01:03:41.000 You'd be like, what?

01:03:42.000 Look at this.

01:03:43.000 This is AI. Incredible.

01:03:45.000 That's insane.

01:03:46.000 This is waves hitting the rocks.

01:03:49.000 Yeah.

01:03:50.000 A movie trailer.

01:03:53.000 And, you know, actors are fucked.

01:03:55.000 Like, they're in real trouble.

01:03:57.000 Because you can make movies like this now.

01:04:00.000 Well, so are writers.

01:04:01.000 Writers are fucked, yeah.

01:04:02.000 I don't think writers are as fucked as actors are, though.

01:04:05.000 Because some writers, like, you know, there's the Quentin Tarantinos of the world that are just going to take turns because of just his own psychology that you're not going to take.

01:04:14.000 Or Stephen King when he was younger.

01:04:16.000 I don't think you're ever going to be able to write Carrie on a computer.

01:04:21.000 I think you need the human experience for some stuff that's creative, but not for the video.

01:04:28.000 Yeah.

01:04:29.000 Well, it touches upon creativity.

01:04:31.000 Like, is creativity the difference between AI and humans?

01:04:35.000 Well, maybe it's not.

01:04:36.000 That's what's really scary.

01:04:37.000 Because we like to think that's the one thing that we have above AI is we're creative.

01:04:42.000 Right.

01:04:43.000 Yeah, great.

01:04:44.000 Get it to write a Beatles song.

01:04:45.000 What if it writes a way better Beatles song than the Beatles could ever write?

01:04:49.000 What if it knows what's really gonna move you?

01:04:51.000 What if it writes a Sheryl Crow song that makes you cry?

01:04:57.000 Then you're fucked.

01:04:58.000 Then it's Ex Machina.

01:05:00.000 Did you ever see Ex Machina?

01:05:03.000 Yeah, that was pretty good.

01:05:04.000 The one of our top ten all-time favorite movies, because it so rang true.

01:05:10.000 Like, there was not a moment in that movie where I was like, bullshit, get out of here.

01:05:14.000 It so rang true that they would be able to manipulate you super easily, especially if you're a young man, and you're, you know, awkward with women, and it's this perfect woman who just happens to be a robot. 0.98

01:05:26.000 Like, who cares if she's a robot? 1.00

01:05:28.000 Yeah, well, that's funny.

01:05:30.000 The version of The Thing by John Carpenter is one of my favorite movies.

01:05:35.000 Oh, that was great.

01:05:36.000 Yeah, they're both body horror in a way.

01:05:40.000 Yeah, sort of, right?

01:05:41.000 Because...

01:05:41.000 You know, the robot isn't human.

01:05:45.000 You know, that's horrible.

01:05:46.000 Right.

01:05:46.000 It's pretending to be, though, and it's tricking you, just like The Thing.

01:05:49.000 Just like The Thing did.

01:05:51.000 Yeah.

01:05:51.000 Yeah, the John Carpenter one is awesome.

01:05:53.000 Yeah.

01:05:54.000 Yeah, like I've watched that twice, and both times I regretted it.

01:05:58.000 Because every time I closed my eyes, there would be visions of these mutations happening.

01:06:03.000 Yeah, and that was another one that was up in the freezing cold...

01:06:06.000 Yeah.

01:06:07.000 Trapped up there.

01:06:08.000 There was a new one of that they did in, I think, the early 2000s.

01:06:12.000 It was pretty good.

01:06:13.000 Yeah.

01:06:13.000 It was the prequel, apparently.

01:06:15.000 Yeah.

01:06:15.000 Was it?

01:06:16.000 Yeah.

01:06:16.000 Well, they used a lot of CGI rather than practical effects like the Carpenter version did.

01:06:21.000 Right.

01:06:22.000 Yeah.

01:06:22.000 Right.

01:06:22.000 Which makes it, for whatever reason, the uncanny valley.

01:06:27.000 You don't really think it's happening.

01:06:29.000 Yeah.

01:06:29.000 It seems kind of fake.

01:06:30.000 Yeah.

01:06:31.000 When they use the visual effects.

01:06:33.000 Like, I've had Rick Baker on the podcast.

01:06:35.000 Oh, really?

01:06:36.000 Wow.

01:06:36.000 Yeah.

01:06:37.000 And, you know, like, things like the American Werewolf in London, he used, like, a real physical thing.

01:06:42.000 And it looks like a physical thing.

01:06:44.000 This, you know, robot or whatever it is that bites a person.

01:06:47.000 This thing that he's pushing towards you.

01:06:49.000 It looks real and candid.

01:06:51.000 You only see it for a brief second.

01:06:52.000 But your brain registers that's a physical thing.

01:06:55.000 Whereas if you see the video, your brain registers, well, that looks cool, but I don't think it's really there.

01:07:01.000 Yeah, it's a visual effect.

01:07:02.000 It's not a practical effect.

01:07:07.000 Right, exactly.

01:07:08.000 And you have to, there's a suspension of disbelief, right?

01:07:12.000 Like, do you ever see I Am Legend?

01:07:15.000 It's a good example of it.

01:07:16.000 Yeah.

01:07:17.000 I Am Legend was cool, but it was like, 2000 what?

01:07:20.000 When was that?

01:07:21.000 When was I Am Legend?

01:07:23.000 2004?

01:07:26.000 Is that about right?

01:07:27.000 Seven.

01:07:28.000 Seven?

01:07:28.000 Okay.

01:07:29.000 Back then they weren't that good.

01:07:31.000 So there's a scene where the lions are in the park, like in the streets, like they have lions out there because the civilizations collapsed, the zoos opened.

01:07:40.000 I've seen that scene.

01:07:40.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:07:40.000 It looks so fake.

01:07:41.000 Yeah.

01:07:44.000 Well, can you see, like, an intersection between AI and psychedelics?

01:07:49.000 Like, you know, could you give a robot LSD or, you know, something like it?

01:07:55.000 Well, no.

01:07:56.000 What I was going to say is I think AI can give you some—and McKenna actually talked about this as well, that he believed that— With virtual reality and computer simulations of trips, it will get to a point of sophistication where you can visually simulate exactly what a psychedelic trip is.

01:08:17.000 And then there becomes this real possibility.

01:08:21.000 Within our lifetime of recording dreams.

01:08:24.000 Now, if you can record a dream, can you record a psychedelic state?

01:08:28.000 Sure.

01:08:28.000 I mean, why not?

01:08:30.000 Right.

01:08:30.000 If they can...

01:08:31.000 I mean, I don't know how far away they are.

01:08:33.000 Let's say they're 50 years away from being able to do something like this.

01:08:36.000 But if they can map out all of the synapse in your brain and all of the different neurochemistry that's going on, if they can map that out, And then attach it to some ability to visually record what you're experiencing.

01:08:58.000 And they can then have something through a neural implant, like Neuralink or something like that, and then completely put you in the exact state that this person is having when they're on 9 grams of mushrooms.

01:09:13.000 That totally seems like...

01:09:17.000 If we can send video through the sky and it lands on your phone, it looks perfect.

01:09:21.000 I think that's doable.

01:09:22.000 I think that's doable within X amount of years.

01:09:25.000 I mean, it's not a thing like cloning people through a printer.

01:09:30.000 Like, that's too far away.

01:09:31.000 But I think the idea of recording your thoughts and then Figuring out what causes different reactions inside people's minds, how your visual cortex interplays with all these different chemicals that are going on inside of your brain.

01:09:49.000 Yeah, I think it could be a mass telepathic experience, like if everybody was sharing the same experience at the same time.

01:09:56.000 Yeah, I think that definitely.

01:09:58.000 I think that definitely and definitely the possibility of a completely universal language.

01:10:04.000 Especially if we can enhance our brains.

01:10:09.000 What they're talking about with Neuralink is multiple steps of use.

01:10:18.000 Multiple steps of...

01:10:22.000 The way they're going to have this...

01:10:24.000 First, they're going to use it for people that are disabled.

01:10:27.000 Like, we have the guy in here who was the very first Neuralink patient.

01:10:30.000 Oh, very cool.

01:10:32.000 It was very cool.

01:10:32.000 He plays video games, and his eyes are like an aimbot.

01:10:37.000 So wherever he looks at it, it shoots.

01:10:39.000 Because he can move his eye...

01:10:42.000 Instead of hand-eye coordination, it's just eye coordination.

01:10:44.000 So he knows exactly.

01:10:45.000 So it's like instantaneous visuals on things.

01:10:48.000 So he's really good at video games with this.

01:10:51.000 And that's better than not having that.

01:10:54.000 So he plays better with the neural link than a person like myself would with just hand-eye coordination.

01:11:00.000 So you would imagine that if it can do that better, the next thing it's going to be able to do is restore vision.

01:11:07.000 And if they can restore vision and then they can create artificial eyes, you can have things like night vision.

01:11:14.000 You can have thermal imagery.

01:11:15.000 You're going to be able to do things with your eyes that a biological eye can't do.

01:11:21.000 And we might get to the point within, you know, our lifetime or our grandchildren's lifetime...

01:11:26.000 Where people get rid of their eyes really quick, because your eyes are bullshit.

01:11:29.000 Your eyes don't even see through walls.

01:11:31.000 Like, what are these stupid fucking biological eyes?

01:11:34.000 And then the next thing you know, you've got something that enhances your brain and gives you complete access to the internet instantaneously.

01:11:44.000 Just...

01:11:45.000 Through the mind.

01:11:46.000 Just through this implant and through the mind.

01:11:49.000 And then everybody gets together and says, listen, I would like to learn Swahili.

01:11:54.000 I'd like to learn Portuguese and Chinese.

01:11:56.000 I don't have the time.

01:11:58.000 No one has the time to learn 190 languages or whatever there are out there.

01:12:01.000 Why don't we all just create one universal language?

01:12:04.000 Do you think people would want that?

01:12:07.000 I don't think leaders would want that.

01:12:08.000 Yeah, because it would lead to, you know, everybody talking with everybody else.

01:12:13.000 I don't think Russia would be down with that.

01:12:14.000 They'd probably censor it. 0.98

01:12:16.000 Well, there was a time, you know, back in, you know, the Tower of Babel. 0.97

01:12:22.000 Everybody spoke one language, one tongue.

01:12:24.000 Yeah, and look what they did.

01:12:26.000 They just built a big tower, and God looked down and said, you know, they have one language and one tongue, and look at what they do.

01:12:34.000 When you think of biblical stories, I've spent far too much time speculating about the origins, but I'd like to know, what do you think that was?

01:12:46.000 Well, I think the stories could be seen as if they were real.

01:12:52.000 Kind of like the DMT world.

01:12:54.000 At a certain point, I had to look at the DMT world as if it were real.

01:13:00.000 Otherwise, I would suggest it was something else.

01:13:03.000 It was psychoanalytic, psychodynamic stuff.

01:13:07.000 It was Jungian archetypes.

01:13:08.000 It was your brain on drugs.

01:13:10.000 But if I took as an act of faith that it was a real world, I treated it as if it were real.

01:13:18.000 And that's the way I approach the Bible, the Bible stories, as if they were real.

01:13:24.000 If you read it carefully, it's a very coherent picture of creation, of history, of the relationship between the spiritual and human worlds.

01:13:35.000 And if you just enter it rather than interpret it as something else, then it starts opening up in a way that is quite interesting.

01:13:46.000 Like, for example, the flood.

01:13:48.000 Or, well, for example, the Tower of Babel.

01:13:51.000 Yeah.

01:13:53.000 If you look at the preceding chapters, after the flood, God told man to spread out, to populate the world, because it was just Noah and his family after the flood.

01:14:05.000 And then they had children, and the directive was to repopulate the earth.

01:14:13.000 And instead, they built this tower.

01:14:16.000 You know, so, you know, people kind of wonder, you know, why was the generation of the tower, you know, punished, as it were, by being dispersed and their languages were confused.

01:14:28.000 But, yeah, you know, so it's a cohesive whole.

01:14:35.000 You know, the stories, you know, build upon each other.

01:14:38.000 You know, there's history.

01:14:40.000 Certain things occurred because of the behavior of certain people, certain ideas, certain practices.

01:14:45.000 Yeah, so it isn't as if it were something else other than what you're reading.

01:14:51.000 And that makes it important to understand the language it's written in, which is Hebrew.

01:14:57.000 So if you really want to understand at least the Hebrew Bible, what some call the Old Testament, you really need to know the Hebrew language because you can make the translation for yourself.

01:15:11.000 You know, they say all translation is interpretation.

01:15:14.000 Right.

01:15:15.000 You know, so if you know the language directly, you can then make your own interpretation.

01:15:20.000 Yeah, ancient Hebrew would be the most fascinating one to read it in.

01:15:24.000 It's incredible.

01:15:24.000 If you could understand it.

01:15:25.000 Yeah.

01:15:26.000 Do you read it?

01:15:27.000 Yeah, I retaught myself Biblical Hebrew.

01:15:29.000 Wow.

01:15:30.000 How long did that take?

01:15:32.000 Oh, I don't know, 16 years, maybe?

01:15:38.000 That's incredible!

01:15:39.000 Well, you have these big old dictionaries, right?

01:15:42.000 These concordances.

01:15:43.000 Yeah, and each of the words has a three-letter root.

01:15:46.000 Right.

01:15:47.000 Yeah, and, you know, just depending on context, they can mean a lot of different things.

01:15:52.000 Right.

01:15:53.000 And every time they appear for the first time, I would, you know, scribble in the margin of the text, you know, what this means.

01:16:00.000 So you self-taught.

01:16:02.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:16:03.000 Well, as a kid, I went to Hebrew school a few hours every week and I learned conversational Hebrew and modern Hebrew.

01:16:12.000 So that gave me a leg up when I started learning Biblical Hebrew.

01:16:16.000 How different is Biblical Hebrew from conversational Hebrew?

01:16:19.000 Very different.

01:16:21.000 They're really Byzantine word forms and grammar and words that appear once and never again in the biblical version of Hebrew.

01:16:32.000 Once.

01:16:33.000 Right.

01:16:33.000 One word appears once in the whole 22 books of text.

01:16:40.000 What's the word?

01:16:42.000 Well, there's a number of those words.

01:16:44.000 Oh, wow.

01:16:45.000 Yeah, they're called hapexes.

01:16:48.000 Whoa.

01:16:48.000 H-A-P-A-X. Yeah, they appear only one time in the text.

01:16:52.000 They have to figure out what that means.

01:16:54.000 Whoa.

01:16:54.000 Can you guess because of context?

01:16:58.000 Yeah.

01:16:58.000 You can guess because of context.

01:17:00.000 You can also...

01:17:01.000 You can guess because of neighboring languages.

01:17:05.000 Like Hittite or Akkadian or Phoenician or Sumerian.

01:17:09.000 Oh, wow.

01:17:10.000 Yeah.

01:17:11.000 So it's an amazing language.

01:17:12.000 I love the Hebrew language.

01:17:14.000 That's one of the things that really got me hooked.

01:17:16.000 It's very...

01:17:17.000 You know, it's extremely irrational.

01:17:20.000 But it's really telegraphic, too.

01:17:22.000 You could...

01:17:23.000 Write one word that may encapsulate the meaning of six or eight words.

01:17:30.000 You could put together a biblical Hebrew word, for example, that might say, I found...

01:17:38.000 Let's see.

01:17:39.000 Boy, I'd really have to think that through.

01:17:41.000 But you can combine a lot of ideas in one single word.

01:17:46.000 That's the gist of it.

01:17:48.000 So when we're thinking about the world and we're using words, we're confined by the way the English language interprets the world.

01:17:57.000 Exactly.

01:17:58.000 Yeah, and that's one of the things I loved learning about biblical Hebrew is, you know, the grammatical forms open a window to parts of reality that just are ignored all of the time.

01:18:11.000 You know, there's a notion of the reflexive tense.

01:18:14.000 Which means you're doing something to yourself.

01:18:20.000 So for example, you might say, I sat down, or I sat myself down.

01:18:25.000 And I sat myself down is the reflexive.

01:18:28.000 And I sat down is what's called the perfect.

01:18:33.000 So the convolutions of grammar really open windows to views of relationships that were invisible before.

01:18:43.000 And if you're using this and you're reading these ancient, ancient stories and trying to interpret them and then trying to break it down into English or Greek or Latin or whatever they did.

01:18:58.000 The first translation was Greek and after that Latin.

01:19:04.000 Have you ever done any reading of the Dead Sea Scrolls?

01:19:07.000 You know, I haven't really.

01:19:09.000 I've read about them, but I haven't read any of the scrolls themselves.

01:19:13.000 You know, one of my long-standing projects is a translation and commentary on Genesis.

01:19:21.000 It's 1,200 pages so far.

01:19:24.000 Whoa.

01:19:24.000 Yeah, so I'm not sure how I'm going to ever get that published.

01:19:28.000 But I think if I could condense it to something more manageable, it would be an interesting read for people.

01:19:35.000 So what are you doing with it?

01:19:37.000 When you set out, what was your goal?

01:19:40.000 Well, it was an expedient kind of reaction.

01:19:43.000 I was scribbling notes into the margins of my copy of the book of Genesis, and there was just no more room.

01:19:52.000 So I said, I've got to put this into a Word file.

01:19:55.000 So I'm going to put it into a Word file, and it was pretty big.

01:19:59.000 So I'm still working through it.

01:20:01.000 Well, there's all these commentaries to the text.

01:20:03.000 You can't know the score without a program.

01:20:09.000 So there's a lot of very interesting and intelligent commentators.

01:20:14.000 So those would be a lot of the notes that I would write down.

01:20:17.000 And I was compiling all of these interesting perspectives on the text.

01:20:22.000 Wow.

01:20:23.000 So are you reading it in ancient Hebrew?

01:20:25.000 Yeah.

01:20:26.000 Oh, wow.

01:20:27.000 And I'm both doing my own translation and collating the commentaries from 20 or 30 different commentators.

01:20:40.000 So when you're doing your own translating, are you comparing it to other translations and seeing how other people interpreted it?

01:20:50.000 Mostly other Jewish translations.

01:20:53.000 But are there a lot of straight from ancient Hebrew to English or is it a lot of like to Greek and then to Latin and then to English?

01:21:02.000 How are they usually done?

01:21:04.000 Or how were they originally done?

01:21:06.000 Well, the first translation was to Aramaic, and then to Greek, and then I think to either Arabic or to Latin.

01:21:16.000 So the first translation was the Dead Sea Scrolls as far as we know?

01:21:19.000 Well, the translation of the Bible itself, you know, the five books, the first five books, and then the intervening, you know, 17, the prophets and whatnot, you know, those were, you know, translated into different languages, you know, book to book.

01:21:36.000 The Dead Sea Scrolls are both books of the Bible with slight modifications or completely independent kinds of texts.

01:21:45.000 How many of them are books of the Bible?

01:21:48.000 How many of the stories?

01:21:49.000 I think Isaiah was found in the Dead Sea caves.

01:21:53.000 Maybe some Ezekiel, maybe some Leviticus.

01:21:56.000 You know, like a number, but not the whole.

01:21:59.000 Was Ezekiel the same as it was in the Old Testament?

01:22:02.000 Mostly.

01:22:03.000 Mostly.

01:22:04.000 There are modifications, though, with the Dead Sea translations versus the ones we read today.

01:22:09.000 Ezekiel's the wildest one. 0.80

01:22:10.000 Ezekiel really got me hooked on the whole DMT, endogenous spiritual experience kind of motif.

01:22:17.000 Yeah, the visions of Ezekiel chapter 1. Yeah.

01:22:20.000 I mean, there's this roaring sound and he falls down and an angel picks him up and there's like blue ice above and a roaring sound.

01:22:32.000 And a wheel within a wheel.

01:22:34.000 The wheels and the angels with the wings and the eyes on their wings.

01:22:38.000 It's completely DMT-like.

01:22:39.000 Yeah.

01:22:41.000 Yeah, I mean, I was really impressed with the overlap of the two sets of experiences.

01:22:47.000 The UFO community latches on to Ezekiel as well.

01:22:50.000 Yeah.

01:22:51.000 You know, the depictions.

01:22:53.000 I saw an image today.

01:22:54.000 I should have saved it and sent it to Jamie.

01:22:56.000 But it was angels.

01:22:59.000 It was a visual interpretation, like a drawing of angels as described in the Bible.

01:23:08.000 And these angels look like flying crafts.

01:23:12.000 They look like flying geometric patterns.

01:23:15.000 Yeah.

01:23:17.000 I'm trying to remember.

01:23:18.000 It was a German guy, I think, who was really into the visions.

01:23:21.000 Yeah, that's not what I saw today, but it was something like that.

01:23:27.000 It was something like that.

01:23:28.000 That was what it was, Jamie.

01:23:29.000 Yeah.

01:23:29.000 That's exactly what it was.

01:23:30.000 With a gyroscope.

01:23:32.000 Yeah, like this is angels as described in the Bible.

01:23:37.000 Yeah, the four faces, a lion, a bear, a man, and an eagle.

01:23:45.000 Who is that drawing by?

01:23:51.000 I don't know.

01:23:52.000 The chariot vision of Ezekiel.

01:23:55.000 Van Daniken or something?

01:23:57.000 Oh, Eric Van Daniken?

01:23:58.000 That guy?

01:23:58.000 Yeah, I think.

01:24:00.000 No.

01:24:01.000 No.

01:24:02.000 That can't be it.

01:24:03.000 I think that that's just an old art piece.

01:24:07.000 Ophanim. 0.79

01:24:08.000 See, go to the Wikipedia again, Jamie, so we can get the description.

01:24:12.000 It didn't have anything.

01:24:12.000 It just said it was a typical, traditional depiction.

01:24:16.000 Oh, okay.

01:24:17.000 So it doesn't say who?

01:24:18.000 There might be.

01:24:19.000 Yeah, like a wood cutting of some sort.

01:24:21.000 But that is kind of how it was described.

01:24:23.000 The Von Daniken thing is fascinating.

01:24:25.000 I had lunch with him once.

01:24:27.000 Where?

01:24:28.000 Peter Thiel's house.

01:24:30.000 Oh, cool.

01:24:31.000 Yeah.

01:24:31.000 So Eric Weinstein said, hey, I would like you to come to this lunch we're going to do with Eric Von Daniken.

01:24:37.000 You know a lot about that guy's stuff.

01:24:39.000 I'm like, oh, I know everything about that guy's stuff.

01:24:41.000 I've seen Chariots of the Gods like fucking ten times.

01:24:44.000 I've watched a hundred interviews with this guy.

01:24:47.000 He's like all in on the idea that UFOs created all this stuff and they're all flying spacemen and Well, who created the UFOs?

01:24:56.000 That's a real good question.

01:24:57.000 He doesn't have that information.

01:24:59.000 Yeah, that's the first question I would ask him.

01:25:01.000 But it's, you know, he's a very nice guy.

01:25:07.000 I don't want to say anything bad about him, and I really enjoyed Chariots of the Gods.

01:25:10.000 It's a fun movie.

01:25:11.000 It's like, have you ever seen it?

01:25:13.000 No.

01:25:13.000 It's wonderful.

01:25:14.000 It's from like 1976. I played in the movie theaters.

01:25:17.000 I remember when it came out.

01:25:18.000 What year is Chariots of the Gods?

01:25:20.000 It's pretty old.

01:25:22.000 But in it, you know, he's all in on everything being evidence that UFOs were here and a lot of, like, real sketchy connections, in my opinion.

01:25:31.000 I'm more inclined to go the Graham Hancock, Randall Carlson route.

01:25:36.000 I think there was a very sophisticated civilization that existed.

01:25:41.000 Like, yeah, what year?

01:25:43.000 1970. I saw it in the movie theater when I was a little kid.

01:25:48.000 But I think that there's real evidence that there was a sophisticated civilization.

01:25:58.000 The Egyptian pyramids are enough. 0.86

01:26:00.000 It's just like whatever the hell was going on there, there was an insanely sophisticated civilization that existed 4,500 years ago at least and probably went back quite a bit further than that.

01:26:10.000 You know, according to their hieroglyphs, it went back 30,000 years, you know, and whatever was going on there was pretty incredible.

01:26:18.000 And I think to just say that the aliens did it, it seems a little, a little silly, because there's no evidence that the aliens did it.

01:26:26.000 There's evidence that there's people around back then.

01:26:29.000 Yeah, it's a case of Occam's razor, you know, the most sensible explanation is probably the most likely.

01:26:36.000 Yeah.

01:26:37.000 But then there's also so many stories of us being visited in almost every ancient culture.

01:26:44.000 Well, you know, is that like being visited or just the experience of being visited?

01:26:51.000 Are they the same thing?

01:26:53.000 Well, one would be physically manifest and the other would just be manifest in the mind.

01:27:00.000 Well, I think a lot of people are starting to lean in this general direction of that, of that perhaps we're trying to measure something that cannot be measured.

01:27:14.000 Perhaps we're trying to put something on a scale that does not necessarily physically exist, but also has the attributes of something that physically exists.

01:27:24.000 Or they can manifest something that physically exists, but it's kind of an illusion.

01:27:29.000 And the whole thing is kind of going on simultaneously, interdimensionally.

01:27:34.000 And that this is why we struggle with our definitions and just our overall acceptance of even the possibility of it being real.

01:27:46.000 I think most people, when you talk to them about UFOs, if they don't have any skin in the game, they'll tell you they believe in UFOs, they'll tell you they think we've been visited because it's fun.

01:27:58.000 But if you said to them, If you had to bet everything you have, everything you have on the government has recovered crashed UFOs and that they visit us and they come from, you know, the Palladi star system and they've been here from the beginning of time,

01:28:16.000 or there's weird conscious experiences, weird There's weird doors, portals of consciousness that open up that allow you to see things that might not necessarily be physically measurable, but also real.

01:28:34.000 And that these things are what everybody's talking about in these ancient religious stories.

01:28:40.000 These things are things that people are talking about when they claim they've been abducted by UFOs, then something landed, and even like the physical remnants of these crafts That might – all of it might be just a part of this very bizarre psychic experiment that's going on.

01:29:01.000 That as the mind expands its ability to understand other realms and as the – like you have to think of – you don't have to, but the way I think of it is like we didn't used to be able to see.

01:29:14.000 So it was an emerging trait of single-celled organisms, no sight, if you believe in evolution – It goes to multi-celled organisms, eventually goes to sight.

01:29:23.000 So it's an emerging part of being a living thing, as you can see.

01:29:28.000 Then language.

01:29:29.000 We didn't used to be able to talk, now we talk freely.

01:29:31.000 So there's an emerging thing, an ability that human beings had.

01:29:36.000 And I think consciousness, psychic ability, precognition, remote viewing, all this stuff.

01:29:45.000 For most people, that's a nonsense thought.

01:29:49.000 But I think the thought is so prevalent in so many different cultures.

01:29:54.000 Psychic phenomena is discussed ubiquitously in every corner of the world.

01:30:01.000 And I think it's probably an emerging part of being a human being.

01:30:07.000 Well, do you think it's biologically based?

01:30:10.000 It would need to be if it were, you know, universal like that.

01:30:15.000 Chemically based?

01:30:15.000 Biologically based?

01:30:16.000 I'm sure it probably has a lot to do with the diet of the creatures, right?

01:30:20.000 I mean, if humans are consistently, if you're in the Amazon, you're consistently taking ayahuasca and eating mushrooms and having rituals, you're probably in that realm more often than a regular person who eats McDonald's and drinks coffee at Starbucks and It's stressed out because they work all day and is on SSRIs.

01:30:41.000 You're probably not getting much of that at all.

01:30:42.000 There's a lot of telepathy, I think, that occurs in those kinds of cultures.

01:30:46.000 You know, they share dreams and they share visions.

01:30:49.000 It's very interesting.

01:30:50.000 Well, you know, that's what they tried to initially call harming when they discovered it.

01:30:53.000 They tried to call it telepathine.

01:30:54.000 Telepathine, exactly.

01:30:55.000 Right.

01:30:56.000 But it already existed under the nomenclature.

01:31:00.000 They called it harming.

01:31:01.000 So they had to, like...

01:31:02.000 Okay.

01:31:03.000 Well, it's already named.

01:31:04.000 Too bad.

01:31:05.000 It'd be cool to call it telepathine.

01:31:06.000 Right.

01:31:07.000 It was synthesized by somebody and got that name.

01:31:10.000 But the people that were experiencing it then, when they wanted to name it telepathine, they wanted to name it that because they were experiencing telepathic...

01:31:19.000 Right.

01:31:19.000 They were having these weird experiences where they're sharing moments.

01:31:22.000 Shared visions.

01:31:23.000 Yeah.

01:31:24.000 Yeah.

01:31:24.000 Well, I think you can share visions just like you can share thoughts, you know, you can or you share feelings.

01:31:30.000 I think just a little more complex.

01:31:32.000 The thing about that is if it's local and there's other communication, right?

01:31:38.000 If you're both in the same room and like your friend says, not the pyramid.

01:31:42.000 Oh, I see the pyramid now.

01:31:43.000 You know what I mean?

01:31:45.000 Yeah.

01:31:45.000 Or if you guys are nowhere near each other, you can't hear each other, and then you independently write down what you experienced, and then that person says, and they have the exact same thing.

01:31:54.000 So they have no interaction with you before they write down what they experienced or recorded or what have you.

01:31:59.000 But they're the same.

01:32:01.000 They're having the same thing.

01:32:02.000 Yeah.

01:32:02.000 Do you know of Rupert Sheldrake's work?

01:32:04.000 Yes.

01:32:05.000 I've had Rupert on.

01:32:06.000 You have?

01:32:06.000 Okay, great.

01:32:07.000 So he's spoken to you about his morphic residence and these large-scale experiments with a lot of people from the public.

01:32:18.000 They will make cold calls and people are expecting them.

01:32:24.000 The dog knows the owner is going to come home much sooner or at a different time.

01:32:30.000 And they can sense it and they're ready.

01:32:32.000 Yeah.

01:32:33.000 So there is, you know, like awareness at a distance, it seems to be.

01:32:40.000 You know, I think it also must occur between people or things which have already got a strong relationship.

01:32:48.000 Yeah.

01:32:48.000 Yeah, like rats.

01:32:49.000 When they teach them how to do a maze on the East Coast, they figure out how to do it quicker on the West Coast.

01:32:53.000 You've seen those, right?

01:32:54.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:32:55.000 And, you know, crystal formation.

01:32:57.000 I was thinking about a dream I had once of my washing machine when I was traveling.

01:33:04.000 And I had a dream about my washing machine that had stopped working.

01:33:08.000 And I called home and I said, you know, how's the washer?

01:33:12.000 And she said, it's broken.

01:33:15.000 I spoke to Rupert and I said, can you explain that?

01:33:19.000 And he said, you must have a strong relationship to your washing machine.

01:33:23.000 Well, you knew it.

01:33:25.000 Kind of makes sense.

01:33:26.000 I mean, cross-species, you know, cross-life forms almost, communication.

01:33:32.000 Well, I mean, do you think things would work out if there were universal language?

01:33:36.000 Or, I mean, would we just, you know, build a tower of, you know, Babel all over again? 0.95

01:33:42.000 Or would we, like, do something, you know, good for everyone?

01:33:47.000 I think we have the potential now because if we can develop universal language, you have real communication with people globally.

01:33:58.000 That's never existed before.

01:34:00.000 Instantaneous real communication through devices.

01:34:02.000 That's never existed.

01:34:04.000 So that's a different factor when you consider a universal language.

01:34:08.000 So if you have real communication with people, then you have universal language.

01:34:13.000 And then here's the big one.

01:34:14.000 The ability to detect deception.

01:34:18.000 So if we really are all communicating through some sort of neural implant and we really are doing this telepathically with a universal language and we're experiencing each other's consciousness in a way that eliminates all possibility of deception.

01:34:38.000 You can see envy, greed, anger.

01:34:43.000 You can see these things in people's thoughts.

01:34:46.000 If this becomes a possibility – and I think it's within the realm of science.

01:34:52.000 I think it's within the realm of technological possibility.

01:34:55.000 When that does happen, it will mean a very different thing to be a human being.

01:35:00.000 And I think it could be one of the greatest things that's ever happened because it would force us to only communicate at a higher level.

01:35:11.000 You – there would be no benefit in bullshitting anymore.

01:35:14.000 It would be the opposite.

01:35:16.000 It would actually be detrimental.

01:35:18.000 You would be ostracized.

01:35:19.000 No one would want to communicate with you anymore.

01:35:21.000 Well, you'd be speaking the truth all the time.

01:35:23.000 All the time.

01:35:24.000 Yeah.

01:35:25.000 All the time.

01:35:25.000 There would be no more lying.

01:35:26.000 No more lying.

01:35:27.000 Impossible to lie, which I think is fascinating.

01:35:29.000 I don't think that would work.

01:35:30.000 Why not?

01:35:32.000 Well, I mean, there are some lies that are told for the sake of peace.

01:35:37.000 Right.

01:35:38.000 But what are the parameters?

01:35:40.000 Like, what are the confines of our society and of our just geopolitically, you know, in terms of environments we exist in?

01:35:50.000 Like, why?

01:35:50.000 Why?

01:35:51.000 What lies would be good for peace that wouldn't be better if everybody just knew exactly what was going on?

01:35:59.000 Well, if everybody knew exactly what was going on, that would be something different.

01:36:03.000 But I think, you know, in the meantime, there are some benefits to white lies. 0.91

01:36:10.000 Sure.

01:36:10.000 As a human being.

01:36:11.000 Right.

01:36:12.000 With a limited ability to communicate and, you know, you don't want to hurt anybody's feelings.

01:36:17.000 Sure.

01:36:18.000 Yeah.

01:36:18.000 But if you're not a human being anymore, essentially, you're a cyborg and you're connected through a neural link to the whole world, there's going to be zero benefit in lying.

01:36:30.000 Right.

01:36:30.000 Well, you're suggesting a new species of man.

01:36:33.000 I am suggesting a new species of man.

01:36:35.000 Yeah.

01:36:37.000 One of my favorite books is called First and Last Men.

01:36:41.000 It's by Olaf Stapledon.

01:36:44.000 He's a British science fiction writer from the 1930s, 1940s.

01:36:48.000 And he describes 19 species of man that extends over 2 billion years.

01:36:55.000 And the final species is living on one of the outer planets.

01:36:58.000 They live 35,000 years because that's how long it takes to learn everything.

01:37:04.000 And every so often they all communicate telepathically around the whole globe.

01:37:09.000 And it's like this big event, obviously.

01:37:12.000 It happens every, whatever, 20,000 years.

01:37:14.000 Whoa.

01:37:15.000 Yeah, and they work up to it.

01:37:16.000 It's an inspiring book, actually.

01:37:18.000 It's one of my favorites.

01:37:21.000 You know another more controversial thought that I have about all this stuff?

01:37:26.000 Is that ultimately The big bottleneck with information is going to be money because money right now is just ones and zeros, right?

01:37:37.000 Money is just information.

01:37:39.000 It's just we agree that you have X amount of dollars here.

01:37:45.000 We agree.

01:37:46.000 It's not a gold standard anymore.

01:37:48.000 It's just not backed by anything.

01:37:49.000 It's just a weird thing.

01:37:51.000 So that's information.

01:37:54.000 The trend with technology is we have more and more access to information and ultimately we're going to have instantaneous access to information.

01:38:05.000 But then we have this money thing.

01:38:07.000 We have money which is – and as people get better and better at cracking encoding, like you're not going to have encrypted money.

01:38:17.000 You're not going to have encrypted – it's not going to be possible, especially when quantum computing becomes ubiquitous.

01:38:23.000 Like we're all operating off – like it's all done.

01:38:27.000 And if this happens at the same time when we're all sharing our thoughts, impossible to lie, And then universal language and money.

01:38:40.000 So then you have an even distribution of resources that's not based at all on capitalism.

01:38:46.000 It's an abandonment of capitalism.

01:38:48.000 But not in like a Marxist communist way, in sort of a practical utilitarian way to deal with the fact that everybody's communicating with everybody instantaneously.

01:38:58.000 You can't have a guy who lives in a fucking castle and another guy who lives in a favela with a dirt floor and no food if we're all existing as one.

01:39:06.000 Well, it would require a change in human nature.

01:39:09.000 Yeah.

01:39:09.000 Well, human nature won't be human nature once this happens.

01:39:13.000 Whatever you think of human nature as of now, it's like you can tell me something.

01:39:17.000 I don't know if you're telling me the truth.

01:39:18.000 I can kind of guess.

01:39:19.000 I have a feeling, but I don't know.

01:39:21.000 So that makes progress slow.

01:39:25.000 Well, do you think that the technology will change human nature?

01:39:30.000 Of course.

01:39:31.000 Yeah, definitely.

01:39:32.000 But just by design.

01:39:35.000 If you're communicating telepathically and you can instantaneously detect it, it makes deception impossible because you're only able to express your thoughts.

01:39:45.000 Yeah, I have a feeling that won't be very popular.

01:39:48.000 Well, it won't be popular with the kind of humans that exist today.

01:39:51.000 Right.

01:39:52.000 So will the human nature have to change first before there's an agreement to undertake that?

01:39:58.000 I think it'll change with it.

01:40:00.000 Well, one of the good things is we might be able to completely eliminate things like depression, suicidal thoughts, mental illnesses.

01:40:09.000 Maybe we could recognize that these are simply patterns in the way this thing operates.

01:40:14.000 And if you just...

01:40:16.000 Optimize it.

01:40:17.000 It no longer has these patterns.

01:40:19.000 If everybody has like this increased level of dopamine.

01:40:22.000 For example.

01:40:23.000 Yeah.

01:40:24.000 Like everybody, just increased dopamine 300%.

01:40:27.000 Well, and increased oxytocin.

01:40:29.000 Yes.

01:40:29.000 Everybody loves everybody.

01:40:31.000 Everybody loves everybody.

01:40:31.000 We're walking around a state of tripping.

01:40:33.000 We're all in ecstasy together.

01:40:34.000 It's a low level where you're functional.

01:40:36.000 You're not going to crash your car.

01:40:38.000 Right.

01:40:38.000 But you probably won't have cars anymore anyway.

01:40:40.000 They'll be driving you around.

01:40:41.000 Well, an interesting thought is maybe you can increase levels of endogenous DMT in everyone genetically.

01:40:49.000 Sure.

01:40:50.000 Or on cue.

01:40:51.000 Like whenever you'd want it.

01:40:53.000 Yeah, I think the rapture may have a biological basis in that regard.

01:41:00.000 Like it's a timed event, which is worldwide, that turns on the DMT synthesizing machinery.

01:41:08.000 And everybody just...

01:41:09.000 Connects all the minds together in a universal language.

01:41:12.000 And it's one big blowout.

01:41:14.000 And we emerge from our violent monkey past and become the next version of what it means to be a human being.

01:41:22.000 Well, which would be non-material.

01:41:24.000 You know, the DMT world is non-material.

01:41:26.000 Right.

01:41:27.000 It's visual.

01:41:29.000 So we might just transcend into some...

01:41:32.000 Like, I think everybody, you know, in this kind of scenario, everybody would drop dead.

01:41:37.000 But isn't it more than visual?

01:41:39.000 It's visual in the sense that you experience it with your eyes, but your brain is experiencing something, too.

01:41:43.000 You just don't know what to do with it.

01:41:45.000 You don't know where it goes.

01:41:46.000 So you say, it's visual.

01:41:48.000 I'm seeing it.

01:41:48.000 But you're not just seeing it.

01:41:50.000 You're experiencing it.

01:41:51.000 Well, I think it's a world made of light.

01:41:55.000 And we perceive light through the eyes.

01:41:59.000 It's visually experienced.

01:42:02.000 Right, but whenever you're having a visual with your eyes closed, it's tough to call it a visual.

01:42:06.000 I mean, obviously, it's interacting with that part of your brain.

01:42:10.000 Right.

01:42:10.000 Well, you call it that after the fact.

01:42:12.000 After you come down, you know, when you're drinking a Coke.

01:42:16.000 But have you ever opened your eyes on DMT? There was this video I was watching the other day online where these people, they put them on DMT and then they had lasers.

01:42:28.000 The red laser effect.

01:42:29.000 Yes.

01:42:30.000 Tell me about that.

01:42:31.000 Yeah, I just found out about it a couple days ago.

01:42:34.000 You?

01:42:35.000 You just found out about it?

01:42:36.000 That's crazy.

01:42:37.000 I just found out about it a couple days ago.

01:42:38.000 Yeah, a friend is putting together a piece on that phenomenon.

01:42:46.000 He wanted my opinion.

01:42:47.000 Can you explain it to people, what they're experiencing?

01:42:50.000 Well, I think what happens, and this is just a very cursory assessment of the project, but people smoke DMT and then they project a red laser onto the wall.

01:43:11.000 And if you look very carefully at it, from what I understand, you can see the matrix.

01:43:16.000 You see code in the laser.

01:43:20.000 Yeah.

01:43:22.000 Can we take a bit of a break?

01:43:23.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:43:24.000 We'll take a bit of a break, ladies and gentlemen.

01:43:26.000 We'll be right back.

01:43:27.000 It's not that he doesn't have faults.

01:43:29.000 He most certainly has faults.

01:43:30.000 But they all have faults.

01:43:31.000 It's just they had control of the media and they turned him into something that he wasn't just 10 years ago to them.

01:43:38.000 Very strange how it was done.

01:43:39.000 Yeah.

01:43:40.000 You know, and we all were a victim of it.

01:43:42.000 Everybody, like, you don't want to admit that he has any positive qualities.

01:43:45.000 You get labeled a Nazi.

01:43:47.000 Yeah.

01:43:48.000 Well, and why do you think that happened?

01:43:50.000 Well, because he is an outsider and he is someone who did not come through the political system, so doesn't have all these relationships and all of these intertwined conflictions with corporations and All these different businesses that have paid for his campaign.

01:44:11.000 The campaign's self-financed.

01:44:12.000 And then you have someone who didn't play the game to get in there.

01:44:15.000 And you can't have that.

01:44:16.000 You can't have that.

01:44:17.000 If you have that, and this guy doesn't want wars, he doesn't want us giving money to foreign...

01:44:22.000 Companies and foreign countries and propping up dictators.

01:44:26.000 We can't have that.

01:44:27.000 We need that.

01:44:28.000 That's part of the American machine. 0.77

01:44:30.000 That's how it all works.

01:44:30.000 The military-industrial complex.

01:44:32.000 It's real.

01:44:33.000 Yeah, it's been real for a long time.

01:44:35.000 I mean, when Eisenhower talked about it on television at the end of his term, it's kind of a crazy moment in history that was just broadcast on television and wasn't really revisited until YouTube came around.

01:44:47.000 It was ignored.

01:44:48.000 Yeah.

01:44:48.000 Yeah, it was...

01:44:50.000 You know, conveniently ignored.

01:44:52.000 Yeah.

01:44:53.000 Yeah.

01:44:55.000 I think with RFK Jr., when he gets in, we have a real possibility of opening up psychedelic treatment for veterans, which I think is the best way to start it off because they're the most deserving of it.

01:45:10.000 They're the people we ask of the most.

01:45:12.000 And there's been a lot of people that have had some pretty profound changes take place because of psychedelic experiences.

01:45:20.000 Right.

01:45:20.000 I think it's going to need to be scaled up.

01:45:23.000 Yes.

01:45:24.000 And what that scaling up looks like still isn't really worked out.

01:45:27.000 Right.

01:45:28.000 I think they should develop special clinics, you know, where you wouldn't actually be doing research and you wouldn't need incredibly strong data to justify that kind of treatment.

01:45:42.000 You would just need an indication that it was helpful.

01:45:44.000 Right.

01:45:45.000 And a specialized therapist, pure drug.

01:45:49.000 It wouldn't be Schedule I kind of super restrictive research, but it wouldn't be just Wild West and anything goes.

01:45:58.000 I think there needs to be some kind of middle approach.

01:46:02.000 Institutional development where, you know, a lot of people can go who would benefit from psychedelic assisted therapy.

01:46:09.000 And yeah, the vets make sense.

01:46:12.000 You know, so many homeless people are veterans.

01:46:14.000 Like in Albuquerque, there's an enormous homeless population.

01:46:18.000 A large number of them are vets.

01:46:20.000 They're really not treated all that well when they come home.

01:46:23.000 No.

01:46:23.000 No, they're not.

01:46:27.000 It's not like this idea of not having robust clinical research to show efficacy, like, on a physiological level.

01:46:35.000 That doesn't really exist with SSRIs anyway.

01:46:38.000 And they're already prescribing them.

01:46:40.000 Like, there's so much anecdotal stories, so many of them, of guys going to Mexico, taking Ibogaine, taking DMT, psilocybin experiences, and coming back and just, like, sorted their life out.

01:46:52.000 It's amazing.

01:46:53.000 A couple of weeks ago, we were at a conference up in Denver, and I was doing some book signing.

01:47:00.000 Some guy, my generation, came up to me, and he told a story after he returned from Vietnam.

01:47:10.000 He was using basically every drug In a bad way, bad drugs in a bad way, and he smoked DMT one day, stopped using everything.

01:47:19.000 He even moved to live across the street from a liquor store to be able to demonstrate that he had that willpower that had just changed with one DMT experience to resist any future drinking.

01:47:31.000 Wow.

01:47:32.000 Yeah, so those kinds of stories you just can't ignore.

01:47:35.000 There's too many of them.

01:47:37.000 And I know I have personal friends that have gone through it and changed their life, quit drinking, got their shit together, became a much nicer person.

01:47:44.000 Like sometimes people are just burdened by the stress of what they've experienced, especially war, which is the most horrific thing that people can experience.

01:47:53.000 You're burdened by this.

01:47:54.000 And sometimes they don't know how to shut those demons off.

01:47:58.000 They don't know how to shut it off.

01:47:59.000 And something can come along, whether it's a DMT experience, ayahuasca, Ibogaine.

01:48:07.000 There's a bunch of different anecdotal stories that I've heard of different things.

01:48:11.000 I was reading something about Colorado today.

01:48:15.000 Colorado is doing some new psilocybin research thing, where they're opening up clinics now?

01:48:22.000 Yeah, they're going to be opening up these healing clinics, which will be more or less based on the Oregon model.

01:48:29.000 You license the therapists, you have to account for your supply of drugs and quality control, those kinds of things.

01:48:38.000 I would worry about that.

01:48:41.000 We were talking about control.

01:48:44.000 That's where you would open up the door to potential spiritual narcissism.

01:48:49.000 You could see someone starting a nice cult that way.

01:48:52.000 He who controls the mushrooms.

01:48:54.000 Who controls the mushrooms?

01:48:55.000 Well, it wouldn't be the first time that psychedelic cults emerged.

01:49:03.000 Well, are you familiar with the Rajneesh story?

01:49:08.000 Which one's that?

01:49:10.000 In Antelope, Oregon, there was this...

01:49:12.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:49:13.000 Of course.

01:49:14.000 Wild, wild country.

01:49:15.000 Wild, wild country.

01:49:16.000 I love that one.

01:49:17.000 That's Osho.

01:49:18.000 That's Osho.

01:49:19.000 Osho.

01:49:20.000 Osho? 0.78

01:49:21.000 Osho.

01:49:22.000 Osho or Osho?

01:49:24.000 I think Osho.

01:49:25.000 He got me confused.

01:49:26.000 I said Osho.

01:49:27.000 Which one?

01:49:27.000 Osho?

01:49:29.000 Osho.

01:49:29.000 He's my favorite.

01:49:30.000 But the people are retarded. 1.00

01:49:35.000 That's that guy.

01:49:36.000 Yeah, that guy.

01:49:36.000 Osho.

01:49:37.000 I read his book.

01:49:39.000 Because I watched Wild Wild Country, I was so blown away by it that I read his book.

01:49:43.000 And it's actually very interesting.

01:49:45.000 I mean, I think he's written more than one book.

01:49:48.000 I forget which one I have.

01:49:50.000 But I read it a few years back, and I was like, this is a fascinating person.

01:49:53.000 He doesn't seem like a cult leader.

01:49:56.000 What's the main message that he's trying to get across?

01:49:59.000 Well, it's just sort of like a guidebook for life.

01:50:02.000 Pull up his books, I'll tell you which one it was.

01:50:05.000 The Book of Secrets.

01:50:06.000 He's got a Zen tarot.

01:50:08.000 Can you show me what they look like so I can see the covers?

01:50:13.000 He's got a bunch of books.

01:50:14.000 One would always wonder if...

01:50:16.000 It's one of the few books I have that's a physical copy, too.

01:50:18.000 I'd have to go back and look at it.

01:50:20.000 You kind of wonder if these are transcriptions of his talks or things that other people helped him write or even things that other people wrote for him.

01:50:29.000 For the people.

01:50:31.000 By the people.

01:50:36.000 They did a dirty thing there.

01:50:38.000 They took all those homeless people and they brought them so they could count as voters.

01:50:43.000 And then they kicked them out.

01:50:45.000 Weren't they trying to poison the city council or something?

01:50:47.000 They poisoned everybody.

01:50:49.000 Yeah, they poisoned people when they were trying to take over politically.

01:50:54.000 But that was that one woman. 0.99

01:50:55.000 What was her name?

01:50:56.000 Rita?

01:50:57.000 Was that her name?

01:50:58.000 The one woman who got in trouble. 1.00

01:51:00.000 She was kind of running the cult. 1.00

01:51:03.000 She was pretty brutal.

01:51:06.000 Well, you know, I spent some time at a Zen monastery.

01:51:11.000 I was actually, as a young man, thinking of becoming a monk.

01:51:14.000 How long did you spend there?

01:51:15.000 Not that long because my depression lifted while I was there.

01:51:18.000 I think my motivation to become a monk was because of how depressed I was.

01:51:22.000 I didn't think I was able to really function any other way than in a cloister, more or less.

01:51:30.000 But then my depression cleared and I went back to school.

01:51:34.000 But I stayed associated with them for over 20 years and went up there.

01:51:38.000 What do you attribute your depression lifting to?

01:51:42.000 Well, I think it was a minor enlightenment experience.

01:51:47.000 That's not to say that I'm enlightened or anything, but if you look at the phenomenology of the enlightenment experience, it's on a scale.

01:51:56.000 There's gradations like the major one and then smaller little ones.

01:52:00.000 Yeah, I was walking back from a work assignment.

01:52:06.000 Well, one thing they liked doing was because I was a medical student back then.

01:52:14.000 I thought I was hot shit.

01:52:15.000 I was always given the worst assignments, the worst work assignments, like clean the toilets or...

01:52:21.000 Knock down this hill.

01:52:23.000 So one day they said, can you move that hill?

01:52:26.000 So I had my shovel and my pick.

01:52:28.000 I was 22 years old or whatnot.

01:52:30.000 Yeah, and I was coming back from the work project and my depression just lifted right off my shoulders.

01:52:36.000 It was the damnedest thing.

01:52:38.000 It was about 15, 30 seconds or so.

01:52:42.000 I thought, oh, that's pretty interesting.

01:52:44.000 Yeah, and the end of the day came and I woke up the next morning and I was still feeling pretty good.

01:52:50.000 Wow.

01:52:51.000 So I was indebted to them for helping pull me out of that bad mood.

01:52:58.000 It was a bad mood, too.

01:52:59.000 I had to drop out of school.

01:53:00.000 Was it directly after you had to move the hill?

01:53:03.000 It was on the way back to the tool shed.

01:53:07.000 Did you do anything before that physically?

01:53:13.000 I don't remember what my other work assignment was.

01:53:16.000 It was an afternoon work assignment, as I remember.

01:53:20.000 I mean, in your life.

01:53:22.000 Did you ever do any hard labor?

01:53:23.000 Oh.

01:53:24.000 Ever work out?

01:53:25.000 Ever take a sport?

01:53:26.000 Yeah, I ran track.

01:53:27.000 You ran track.

01:53:28.000 It was the sprints, though, so it was just a sudden burst of energy.

01:53:32.000 It wasn't anything prolonged.

01:53:35.000 You know, I've done a lot of strenuous hiking and backpacking.

01:53:39.000 The sprinting, when you were doing that, were you particularly happy or depressed when you were doing that?

01:53:46.000 No.

01:53:46.000 Well, sprinting itself is great.

01:53:48.000 I don't mean that.

01:53:49.000 I mean, during the time period where you were participating in sprinting, did you have any depression?

01:53:55.000 No, no.

01:53:56.000 Well, I suppose, you know...

01:53:58.000 Teen angst.

01:53:59.000 Yeah, you know, teenager angst, you know, growing up in the San Fernando Valley.

01:54:03.000 Right, that everybody has.

01:54:04.000 Right.

01:54:04.000 Yeah.

01:54:05.000 Yeah.

01:54:05.000 I had that while I was doing martial arts.

01:54:07.000 It's not like it cures it.

01:54:08.000 But I do know, personally, me, if I go long periods of time where I don't exercise, I get depressed.

01:54:14.000 I don't feel good.

01:54:15.000 I feel shitty.

01:54:17.000 I feel off.

01:54:18.000 I think our bodies put vanity aside because I think a lot of very intelligent people associate exercise with vanity.

01:54:27.000 But I think your body has a physical requirement to achieve vanity.

01:54:33.000 Like, homeostasis, to achieve balance, to achieve, like, an ability to kind of, like, exist in a neutral place.

01:54:41.000 You're always affected by the world.

01:54:43.000 But the more neutral you are, the better.

01:54:46.000 Like, the more you're just, you exist.

01:54:47.000 And you're not, like...

01:54:49.000 Constantly wound up about something or constantly upset about this or constantly fearing that or being overwhelmed with anxiety.

01:54:57.000 I think some of that is in response to a lack of physical movement.

01:55:03.000 I think the body is designed to exist in a very primal world that doesn't exist anymore.

01:55:10.000 And so because the body had a lot of requirements 10,000, 15,000 years ago, I think we're still programmed in that general way.

01:55:18.000 And that the only way to keep a balance of the mind and the body together for me is to constantly engage in exercise.

01:55:27.000 Rigorous exercise.

01:55:28.000 Yeah, what kind of diet do you follow?

01:55:31.000 Mostly I eat meat.

01:55:33.000 Mostly meat.

01:55:35.000 Beef?

01:55:36.000 Yeah, I eat beef.

01:55:38.000 I eat a lot of wild game, a lot of elk.

01:55:40.000 I eat deer and wild pigs.

01:55:43.000 I do eat some vegetables sometimes, but only if I feel like it.

01:55:47.000 I don't eat them for nutrition.

01:55:49.000 I eat fruit and I take a lot of vitamins.

01:55:52.000 Yeah, and no greens.

01:55:53.000 I mean, I'll eat greens every now and then.

01:55:55.000 I'll have like a salad if I feel like I'm having a salad.

01:55:58.000 But I don't think I'm having a salad for health.

01:56:01.000 You know, I think...

01:56:02.000 It's for taste.

01:56:03.000 Yeah, it's for just I like eating stuff.

01:56:05.000 Yeah, do you like pretzels?

01:56:06.000 I do.

01:56:07.000 I try not to eat them.

01:56:08.000 Yeah, I love pretzels.

01:56:09.000 That's my week.

01:56:10.000 They're kind of bullshit.

01:56:10.000 But I was at the mall the other day and we walked by, what is it?

01:56:14.000 Annie's?

01:56:15.000 Annie's Pretzels?

01:56:16.000 Is that what it is?

01:56:16.000 Yeah.

01:56:18.000 It's crack!

01:56:19.000 I didn't eat one.

01:56:19.000 But that smell, the smell in the air was like, there was a giant ass line.

01:56:24.000 A huge line.

01:56:24.000 There's no line for anything else in that food court.

01:56:27.000 But that pretzel line was big.

01:56:29.000 There must be something in those pretzels.

01:56:31.000 Deliciousness?

01:56:32.000 Yeah, MDMA. They're so good.

01:56:33.000 They're so good.

01:56:34.000 No, there's no MDMA. It's just delicious.

01:56:37.000 You feel terrible right after you ate it.

01:56:38.000 Like, what did I do?

01:56:39.000 That's like MDMA. Yeah, but there's no 5-HTP that you can take that's going to help you.

01:56:45.000 Right.

01:56:46.000 The down you feel off of a pretzel sometimes is worth it, though, because they're so delicious, especially the ones that wrap a hot dog in the pretzel.

01:56:54.000 Yeah.

01:56:55.000 A month or two ago, I was at Union Station in Los Angeles, and there was a stand selling the pretzel.

01:57:02.000 You know, the encased hot dogs and pretzels.

01:57:06.000 You have to apply a fair amount of mustard.

01:57:08.000 They're so good though, right?

01:57:10.000 It's delicious.

01:57:10.000 Terrible for you.

01:57:11.000 So good though.

01:57:12.000 We took an Amtrak back from Union Station to Albuquerque.

01:57:16.000 You know, like an overnight?

01:57:17.000 How's that?

01:57:19.000 Well, it was quaint, but it wasn't, like, efficient.

01:57:23.000 It's too slow.

01:57:24.000 It's pretty slow, pretty noisy.

01:57:26.000 And you start thinking, I could have been on a plane.

01:57:28.000 I would have already been there.

01:57:29.000 Right, it would have been just, you know, two hours rather than whatever it was, 14 or so.

01:57:34.000 Yeah, that's stupid.

01:57:35.000 Well, I mean, look at European trains, though.

01:57:38.000 You can really have fun on a European train.

01:57:40.000 They're comfy, they're on time, good food, good coffee.

01:57:44.000 What's the fastest train?

01:57:45.000 Is it Japan?

01:57:46.000 Do they have the bullet trains?

01:57:47.000 I think the Chinese.

01:57:48.000 Chinese?

01:57:49.000 Or the Japanese. 0.99

01:57:49.000 Yeah, really, really fast. 0.99

01:57:51.000 Yeah.

01:57:52.000 That's one of the things that Elon was trying to do with America.

01:57:55.000 They were trying to put bullet trains that would take you from San Francisco to New York City in like a few hours.

01:58:02.000 Yeah.

01:58:02.000 I mean, there should be no reason not to do that.

01:58:04.000 The only reason would...

01:58:06.000 Other than the automobile industry.

01:58:08.000 Well, also tracks.

01:58:10.000 Like, who's watching those tracks?

01:58:14.000 If you're going 1,000 miles an hour or whatever you're going, who's watching the tracks?

01:58:18.000 Who's making sure someone doesn't put something on the tracks?

01:58:21.000 Right, right.

01:58:22.000 That's even a concern now, but yeah, it would certainly be if people are going 1,000 miles an hour.

01:58:26.000 Yeah, like I'm amazed at how few derailments there are if you think about how many trains are flying back and forth.

01:58:33.000 Yeah.

01:58:34.000 Well, I lived in Gallup, New Mexico for years.

01:58:36.000 And it's a train town, more or less.

01:58:39.000 And, you know, there were, I think, there were three trains came through every hour, you know, 24-7.

01:58:49.000 Wow.

01:58:49.000 So, you know, 70 trains, 75 trains every day would go through town.

01:58:53.000 And there were very few derailments.

01:58:56.000 That's crazy.

01:58:57.000 Yeah, they're pretty effective.

01:58:58.000 But you're constantly waiting for trains then.

01:59:00.000 Like, there's always those things that come down, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.

01:59:03.000 You can't sit there and wait while the train flies by.

01:59:05.000 Yeah, it was a point of controversy in that little town.

01:59:09.000 Like, were they going to build a tunnel underneath or a bridge over?

01:59:13.000 You know, the business folks in the downtown area.

01:59:18.000 And it would be noisy, too, that trains would go by 35 miles an hour, and they're big trains.

01:59:25.000 Some of the cargo trains are more than a mile long, and they can just take forever to cross 2nd and 3rd Street, and you're just stuck there.

01:59:34.000 Yeah, fuck that.

01:59:36.000 Right.

01:59:38.000 I just wouldn't want to be in a place that's that noisy, especially if you're in New Mexico.

01:59:43.000 It's kind of quiet.

01:59:44.000 Well, your bones rattle when the trains go by and, you know, they honk their horns.

01:59:51.000 Like they have to do three, then two, then three, then two.

01:59:54.000 Well, there's some apartments in New York City where the apartment building's there and the train's going right in front of the apartment building.

02:00:01.000 Exactly.

02:00:01.000 That's crazy.

02:00:02.000 How cheap is that rent that you agree to that?

02:00:05.000 Yeah.

02:00:05.000 And the long-term effects on your mental and physical health.

02:00:09.000 Yeah.

02:00:10.000 Well, whenever someone's crazy in a movie, they always live there.

02:00:13.000 They just live, like, right where the train is.

02:00:15.000 You know?

02:00:16.000 It just kind of accentuates their craziness, right?

02:00:19.000 They get no rest.

02:00:21.000 I know.

02:00:21.000 Well, you know, my mom's mom lived in a little town in western Pennsylvania.

02:00:26.000 And, you know, the coal trains would pass through her backyard, basically.

02:00:33.000 Like, you know, there's a little hill in her backyard and the train tracks.

02:00:36.000 And I really enjoyed, you know, sitting there as the trains went by, you know, smelling the exhaust.

02:00:42.000 That was, you know, something...

02:00:43.000 That was an early manifestation of my...

02:00:47.000 Look at this.

02:00:48.000 Have you seen these in China?

02:00:48.000 Whoa, that's crazy.

02:00:50.000 It goes through the building.

02:00:51.000 That's what they say.

02:00:52.000 Yeah, that would be noisy.

02:00:53.000 Imagine if you're above that trying to sleep.

02:00:56.000 Fuck out of here.

02:00:57.000 Yeah.

02:00:58.000 That's nuts.

02:01:01.000 That's not real.

02:01:02.000 Whoa, that can't be real.

02:01:04.000 That can't be real.

02:01:06.000 Yeah, they couldn't find anybody to live there.

02:01:10.000 You could.

02:01:11.000 Well, I guess prisoners maybe.

02:01:13.000 Somebody would agree.

02:01:14.000 It could be a jail or a prison, too.

02:01:16.000 Yeah, or just some crazy person.

02:01:20.000 They just think that's a good idea.

02:01:23.000 A lot of people like to live in different ways.

02:01:25.000 They also have their markets right on the train line.

02:01:28.000 Whoa.

02:01:29.000 And they have to pick up the stuff when it comes through.

02:01:32.000 What?

02:01:32.000 Yeah.

02:01:33.000 That's efficient.

02:01:34.000 So they quickly grab their baskets and stuff and pull it out of the way?

02:01:38.000 Yeah, because people are walking on the train track.

02:01:40.000 That's nuts.

02:01:42.000 That is crazy.

02:01:44.000 And rather than move, they just figure it out.

02:01:47.000 Wow.

02:01:48.000 Eight times a day, seven days a week.

02:01:51.000 Wow.

02:01:52.000 You have to put things away in three minutes.

02:01:55.000 Oh, really?

02:01:56.000 Wow.

02:01:58.000 How many dogs do they lose every year?

02:02:01.000 Well, suicides, too.

02:02:03.000 I'm sure.

02:02:04.000 Lots of people, like the small town I was living in, that would be like a regular thing if people would lay down on their tracks if they were having a bad day.

02:02:18.000 Imagine if we can cure that with Elon Musk's Neuralink.

02:02:22.000 Everybody sign up.

02:02:23.000 Yeah, on the reservation.

02:02:25.000 Might be hard to, you know, get the word out there.

02:02:27.000 Yeah, they probably don't want to listen to you anyway.

02:02:30.000 They probably want you to take it so that you all go extinct and they'll take over again. 0.98

02:02:34.000 Some crazy white man idea.

02:02:37.000 I mean, these are people that were hesitant to agree to get photographed.

02:02:42.000 You know?

02:02:43.000 They're going to be the last adopters of this stupid fucking brain implant these stupid white people are doing.

02:02:50.000 Well, you know, so Gallup is on their reservation, pretty much, the Navajo reservation.

02:02:57.000 And most of the population is native.

02:03:03.000 So it was pretty interesting living among the natives for 14 years.

02:03:08.000 And their view of white people is they're noisy, they're superficial, and they're kind of dumb.

02:03:16.000 Well, there's plenty of examples that would support that if you were inclined to be, you know, less charitable and make a rash generalization about white people.

02:03:28.000 Well, I learned to be quiet there because there isn't anything to do.

02:03:35.000 And there aren't that many people.

02:03:37.000 We were talking about this before it aired.

02:03:40.000 One of the big reasons you moved out of there was it's hard to get health care, right?

02:03:46.000 The health care was rather poor.

02:03:48.000 I came down with pneumonia.

02:03:51.000 This was 2014. And I didn't receive the best care.

02:03:56.000 I ended up getting C. diff because of all the antibiotics.

02:04:00.000 What is that?

02:04:00.000 It's this horrible diarrhea.

02:04:02.000 It's like a fatal diarrhea.

02:04:05.000 I think 30,000 people in the country die every year from C. diff.

02:04:09.000 Whoa.

02:04:10.000 Yeah, and I was battling that.

02:04:13.000 The quality of the care was so poor that I was taking notes, and I thought, if I live through this, I'm going to write about it.

02:04:23.000 So that is the basis of that autobiographical novel I wrote a few years ago.

02:04:28.000 Oh.

02:04:30.000 You know, Joseph Levy escapes death.

02:04:32.000 Yeah, it's an account of...

02:04:34.000 I remember I was worried about you, but I didn't want to pry.

02:04:37.000 Because we had gone back and forth in the email and you were just telling me your health was not well.

02:04:43.000 Oh yeah, yeah.

02:04:44.000 We were talking about the possibility of me being on your show and saying I'm just too sick, I can't travel.

02:04:49.000 Yeah.

02:04:50.000 Generally people don't bounce back when they say they're that sick.

02:04:53.000 I was really worried about you.

02:04:55.000 But I didn't want to...

02:04:56.000 I just didn't know, like, how does one, you know...

02:05:00.000 I didn't want to pry.

02:05:01.000 I felt like if you wanted to tell me about what's going on, you would tell me about what's going on.

02:05:05.000 Yeah, it was a really hard time.

02:05:08.000 And I bounced back.

02:05:09.000 You look great.

02:05:10.000 You look better than ever, actually.

02:05:12.000 Oh, thanks.

02:05:13.000 You really do.

02:05:13.000 You too.

02:05:17.000 Yeah, I swore I would bounce back and feel even better than I did before I got sick.

02:05:23.000 But it was a chore.

02:05:25.000 Well, it did strengthen my belief in God, speaking of God.

02:05:28.000 Like, I wasn't quite, well, that, you know, God was not quite ready to take me.

02:05:35.000 And I wanted to become closer to that power that let me live.

02:05:43.000 And did you feel like, because God was not, God did not want to take you, did you feel like he had work to do?

02:05:50.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:05:51.000 I had to get back to work.

02:05:53.000 I had to continue being useful.

02:05:56.000 Like, I just couldn't rest on my laurels.

02:05:59.000 Yeah.

02:06:01.000 Yeah, I mean, if you had called and you said, how's it going?

02:06:04.000 I'd say, bad.

02:06:08.000 Sounds like it was real bad.

02:06:09.000 Yeah.

02:06:10.000 That's why I was worried.

02:06:11.000 Yeah.

02:06:11.000 Because, you know, I'm just too used to getting those kind of emails and then you hear that someone passed away.

02:06:16.000 Oh, yeah.

02:06:17.000 I know.

02:06:18.000 And, you know, in my generation, it's kind of accelerating.

02:06:22.000 Yeah.

02:06:24.000 Yeah.

02:06:26.000 So when you did finally get out of this, how long was like the actual sick period, how long was the period where you were really hurting?

02:06:37.000 Well, the pneumonia was about 10 days and the C. diff started about 10 days after that and went on for six weeks.

02:06:46.000 I lost 15 pounds.

02:06:48.000 You're a thin guy to begin with.

02:06:51.000 I didn't have 15 pounds to lose.

02:06:54.000 I found a good psychotherapist.

02:06:57.000 I went in there and fell asleep.

02:06:59.000 The first visit, I said, I'm really tired.

02:07:02.000 I feel really weak.

02:07:04.000 And that was it.

02:07:05.000 And I started working with her for like the next four years.

02:07:10.000 Because obviously things had gotten so dire because I wasn't taking care of myself.

02:07:18.000 So I had to kind of get to the bottom of that.

02:07:21.000 Yeah, so it took another maybe seven months before I started to feel my strength back and my brain functioning again.

02:07:29.000 One turning point, this might interest some of your listeners, is I got vaccinated for the flu in January, which was nine months after this all started.

02:07:41.000 And it was the most painful vaccination I'd ever had.

02:07:45.000 It was beyond 10. It wasn't even throbbing.

02:07:48.000 It was just constant, like beyond any pain in my arm I'd ever felt.

02:07:51.000 How long did it last?

02:07:53.000 12 hours.

02:07:54.000 And I woke up feeling great.

02:07:55.000 Wow.

02:07:56.000 Like the best I had felt in almost a year.

02:07:59.000 So after 12 hours, just wore off.

02:08:01.000 I went to bed thinking, God, I hope this wears off or else I'm going to have to get some attention.

02:08:05.000 Yeah, it just wore off and I felt pretty darn good the next morning.

02:08:09.000 How weird.

02:08:10.000 Very weird.

02:08:11.000 I guess my immune system just really needed to just get socked or something.

02:08:15.000 Yeah.

02:08:16.000 And it seemed to have, you know, done the trick.

02:08:19.000 Just strange that you'd have like a local pain that's that intense.

02:08:22.000 You generally don't hear about that.

02:08:24.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:08:25.000 It was just at the vaccination site.

02:08:27.000 Very interesting.

02:08:27.000 Yeah, weird.

02:08:29.000 Do you get vaccinated?

02:08:30.000 This might be a personal question.

02:08:32.000 No, you can ask me anything.

02:08:33.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:08:33.000 Yeah.

02:08:34.000 No.

02:08:35.000 I almost got vaccinated for COVID. Right.

02:08:38.000 I was wondering.

02:08:39.000 I was totally willing to do it.

02:08:42.000 It was the early days of the pandemic and the UFC had allocated about, I think it was 150 or so doses for all their employees because they were running shows during the pandemic when everyone was terrified of it.

02:08:56.000 So...

02:08:57.000 I go to Vegas to do this UFC event, and I had a test before I leave, and then you fly, you test when you get there, and they're really strict with their protocols, make sure that no one was sick.

02:09:10.000 When people were sick, like a fighter's corner man was sick, everyone was kicked off.

02:09:16.000 All those people were off.

02:09:18.000 The fighter couldn't compete even if he was negative because he had been exposed.

02:09:22.000 So they were real strict.

02:09:24.000 And so they said, we have these vaccines if you want one.

02:09:27.000 They didn't tell me I had to take it, but they said, if you want one.

02:09:29.000 I said, sure.

02:09:30.000 I said, can I get it right before the fights?

02:09:32.000 And they said, sure.

02:09:33.000 And they didn't know that I had to go to the actual clinic or the hospital.

02:09:37.000 So I contacted the doctor.

02:09:39.000 I said, hey, I'm here.

02:09:41.000 Can you vaccinate me before the show?

02:09:43.000 He said, you actually have to go to the clinic on Monday.

02:09:46.000 Can you stay till Monday?

02:09:48.000 I said, I can't, but I'll be back in two weeks for the next event.

02:09:51.000 So during the time where I was gonna get shot and then two weeks later they pulled it.

02:09:58.000 So the Johnson& Johnson vaccine got pulled because people were getting blood clots.

02:10:03.000 And so then two people that I knew that did get it had strokes.

02:10:08.000 I don't know if it was a coincidence, but it seemed rather odd.

02:10:12.000 And then I started getting nervous.

02:10:14.000 And so then I started reading different things by different scientists that had opposing perspectives on both the efficacy and the safety of the vaccine.

02:10:27.000 And then I got COVID. And then when I got COVID, I got over it really quickly.

02:10:30.000 And then I got attacked on CNN. So I was like, okay, what's going on here?

02:10:35.000 Like, why are you guys upset that I took a certain medicine and got better?

02:10:38.000 I've never even heard of such a thing.

02:10:40.000 And they started labeling it, this ivermectin, as a horse dewormer, which is crazy because it won the Nobel Prize for People.

02:10:48.000 So it was like I was watching this bizarre thing take place in scale on mass media against me.

02:10:54.000 But against me in the most preposterous way possible because I was healthy.

02:10:58.000 I got better quick.

02:10:59.000 Like in three days I was better and I made a video.

02:11:02.000 In six days I was working out like full steam.

02:11:05.000 I didn't get sick for long at all.

02:11:07.000 And I listed a bunch of different medications that I took.

02:11:10.000 But for whatever reason, they labeled ivermectin as the thing that needed to be attacked.

02:11:15.000 And it was all in lockstep.

02:11:19.000 MSNBC, CNN, newspapers, all of them making these.

02:11:25.000 I got ridiculous statements that I was taking veterinary medicine.

02:11:29.000 I got medicine from a doctor, from a pharmacy, an actual human doctor, medication for humans.

02:11:36.000 And more importantly, I got better, like really quick.

02:11:41.000 What is happening here?

02:11:42.000 This is the strangest thing I've ever seen in my life.

02:11:44.000 It was like this mass psychosis that was propagated by the media who were only intent on keeping everyone terrified and offering only one solution.

02:11:55.000 And that solution just coincidentally happened to be insanely profitable.

02:12:02.000 Yeah, it's hard to figure.

02:12:04.000 It was weird to go through.

02:12:05.000 It's very, very weird to go through.

02:12:07.000 So, needless to say, I have become very skeptical about a lot of narratives that are expressed constantly without any real examination.

02:12:20.000 Well, do you think they're going after you or going after the ivermectin?

02:12:23.000 Going after the ivermectin, 100%.

02:12:25.000 I was a simple, easy to make fun of person who did a ridiculous thing and that's why they were able to say horse dewormer.

02:12:33.000 But it's such a dumb thing to say because this – we have – it was a playbook that would have been really effective in 1998. You could have gotten that done in 1998. The problem is – There's too much information that's available.

02:12:49.000 And when you're mocking a person for taking a drug that a human being won the Nobel Prize for in 2015 for its use in humans, that seems insane.

02:13:01.000 Also, you're knocking people taking off-label medication under the advice of a trained physician.

02:13:08.000 What?

02:13:09.000 Like, what's going on?

02:13:09.000 And who are these people that are doing this?

02:13:11.000 These talking heads on CNN? Why are they all agreeing?

02:13:14.000 How come not one person is saying, hey, What is the reason why ivermectin would be taken in the first place?

02:13:20.000 Oh, it stops viral replication in vitro?

02:13:23.000 Well, maybe there's some reason to use this.

02:13:27.000 Maybe these doctors are correct.

02:13:28.000 All these anecdotal stories about people taking it and then getting better quickly.

02:13:32.000 Is there anything to this?

02:13:33.000 But there was none of that in the media because they are sponsored by pharmaceutical drug companies who clearly had marching orders.

02:13:43.000 Yeah.

02:13:43.000 What do you make of this virus that's killing folks in the Congo?

02:13:48.000 Jesus, who knows?

02:13:50.000 Yeah.

02:13:50.000 I don't know anything about it.

02:13:52.000 Yeah.

02:13:53.000 170 people have died.

02:13:54.000 They don't know what it is.

02:13:56.000 Some weird African virus. 0.96

02:13:57.000 Fun.

02:13:58.000 Yeah.

02:13:58.000 See if Bill Gates has been visiting there lately.

02:14:00.000 Yeah.

02:14:02.000 I don't know.

02:14:03.000 I'm terrified of pandemics for sure.

02:14:06.000 I just – that one wasn't one to be terrified of and they made us terrified of it which makes me terrified.

02:14:11.000 Because that was one where they – we talked about this in the podcast where they made fun of Donald Trump because he was saying it's less than 1 percent of the people who get it die and then CNN was mocking him saying it's 3.4 percent, 3.4 percent.

02:14:25.000 It was considerably less than 1 percent.

02:14:27.000 He was right.

02:14:27.000 But they had marching orders, and these marching orders was to scare the shit out of people and to tell them to get vaccinated.

02:14:34.000 It was a scary time, that's for sure.

02:14:36.000 Yeah, they closed down the town that I was living in back then, Gallup.

02:14:40.000 It was closed down.

02:14:41.000 You couldn't go into it if you didn't live there.

02:14:43.000 God, so weird.

02:14:44.000 For nine days.

02:14:45.000 Well, you know, nine days is better than California.

02:14:48.000 California, they did a whole year and a half of, like, complete restrictions.

02:14:52.000 They were stopping outdoor dining.

02:14:56.000 Just arbitrarily.

02:14:57.000 I had a friend and his brother works for the state, and he said to the lady who was in charge of it, he said, why are you stopping outdoor dining?

02:15:05.000 There's no evidence that there's spread through outdoor dining.

02:15:10.000 And she said, it's the optics.

02:15:12.000 The optics.

02:15:13.000 Like, we're going to shut businesses down for optics, because they had to show that they're doing something, because there's like a noticeable spread that's being reported in the media.

02:15:22.000 That's called virtue signaling, right?

02:15:24.000 Yeah.

02:15:24.000 Well, it's also – the real problem is their jobs are not dependent upon their society functioning.

02:15:32.000 They get paid no matter what.

02:15:34.000 So society crumbles and all these businesses – they lost 70 percent of their restaurants at one point in time.

02:15:39.000 70 percent.

02:15:40.000 Just went under.

02:15:41.000 That's insane to continue a practice like that.

02:15:45.000 Especially where within six months they should have known that it wasn't as fatal as everybody said it was.

02:15:52.000 When they already had the data in about how come all these people that are dying they all have like significant amount of comorbidities.

02:15:58.000 How come all these people that are dying are over the age of 80?

02:16:01.000 It doesn't mean fuck those people.

02:16:03.000 It means protect those people but let everybody else Get back to work.

02:16:08.000 Like, you just have control of these people and you're continuing to enforce this control while their lives are destroyed.

02:16:15.000 How many people turned to drugs?

02:16:17.000 How many people committed suicide because they lost everything completely out of their power?

02:16:21.000 How many lives were lost?

02:16:22.000 How many kids had their childhood stripped away from them and have significant learning problems, not just because they didn't go to school, but because even when they went to school, they had to wear a mask.

02:16:33.000 So the whole reading people's lips and hearing sounds come out, everything was weird.

02:16:38.000 Reading faces was weird.

02:16:39.000 If you're a toddler and your experience is going through the first couple of years of your schooling and your preschool with fucking masks on, like, what is that?

02:16:49.000 What did we do to these people?

02:16:50.000 Well, we'll find out.

02:16:52.000 Yeah.

02:16:53.000 And the only good out of it, in my opinion, is that people realize that it was stupid and they won't be as quick to accept it in the future.

02:17:05.000 You think if there's another pandemic?

02:17:07.000 Right.

02:17:07.000 I don't think people are going to accept the government, which is filled with a bunch of fucking silly people that have decided to run the government, having complete control over whether or not you can run your business, or you can decide to take a trip somewhere, or you could visit your parents when they're in the hospital.

02:17:25.000 All that is crazy.

02:17:27.000 Yeah.

02:17:27.000 I wonder what impact RFK Jr. is going to have on the delivery of healthcare now.

02:17:34.000 Well, he's going to have so much of an impact that they're talking about preemptively pardoning Fauci.

02:17:41.000 Like, how do you pardon someone that didn't do a crime?

02:17:45.000 Preemptively.

02:17:46.000 How are you pardoning someone where he's not—not only is he not convicted of a crime, he's not even being tried, he's not accused, he's not indicted?

02:17:57.000 I guess that's called blanket immunity.

02:17:59.000 Yeah.

02:18:00.000 Well, it's never been done before.

02:18:01.000 There's never been preemptive pardons for people that may have been committing crimes.

02:18:07.000 Mm-hmm.

02:18:08.000 It's weird.

02:18:09.000 Yeah.

02:18:10.000 Well, do you know much about the fluoride story?

02:18:12.000 A lot of people wonder about the pineal gland and DMT synthesis if you have a calcified pineal, which is more likely if you're fluoridated.

02:18:23.000 Have they ever done autopsy studies on people that are in high fluoride areas to check out their pineal glands?

02:18:29.000 Or is this just like one of those things that people say?

02:18:32.000 Well, it's the case in lower animals that you feed them a high fluoride diet and their pineal glands calcify more rapidly.

02:18:39.000 I'm not sure what the human literature is.

02:18:41.000 So when you say that, when they calcify more rapidly, like what animals are they serving them?

02:18:49.000 Fluoride?

02:18:50.000 You know, rats, mice.

02:18:53.000 And what have the results been?

02:18:54.000 Like significant differences?

02:18:56.000 Yeah, I mean, these experimental animals, pineal glands anyway, they do calcify more rapidly.

02:19:05.000 But whether or not that actually correlates to a reduction in melatonin production, for example, I'm not that familiar with the literature.

02:19:15.000 Is the number commensurate with what would even be possible through fluoride and water, or would it have to be some other form of poisoning?

02:19:23.000 Is it like a very high level of fluoride that they're giving them?

02:19:26.000 With the experimental animals, yeah, this fluoride-rich kind of diet.

02:19:31.000 So then the question would be, what about the accumulation of fluoride in small doses over the course of a long lifetime?

02:19:38.000 Yeah, I'm just not that current on the literature.

02:19:43.000 There's a couple of things that occur that cause pineal calcification.

02:19:48.000 One is aging.

02:19:49.000 The older you get, the more calcification there is.

02:19:54.000 Back when I was current on the pineal physiology data, which was a long time ago, like 40 years ago, there wasn't a relationship between the degree of calcification in the human pineal and production of melatonin.

02:20:11.000 At least according to the data from the 80s, the degree of calcification wasn't functionally significant.

02:20:23.000 But I get an email here and there wondering if fluoridation of the pineal might reduce the production of endogenous DMT, which one might theorize takes place.

02:20:34.000 But we don't really know quite yet if the pineal even makes DMT, let alone if pineal calcification might reduce it.

02:20:46.000 Wouldn't it be interesting to measure different lifestyles and then also look at the age in which these people are and see if there's, like, when they die, if there's calcification?

02:20:59.000 You know, one person who's a marathon runner and they're 65 versus one person who's sedentary, drinks a lot, and they're also 65. Yeah.

02:21:07.000 You would think it would correlate with your overall general health.

02:21:11.000 Right.

02:21:11.000 I mean, if you're thinking that it's age-related, it may be age-related, or is it exposure over long periods of time where it accumulates?

02:21:22.000 Because the amount of fluoride that's in the water is very small.

02:21:25.000 And this is one of the things that people point to when they say that it's not dangerous.

02:21:28.000 It's very small.

02:21:29.000 But the question is, where does it go?

02:21:33.000 Does it actually leave the body, or does it accumulate somewhere?

02:21:36.000 Yeah.

02:21:37.000 Well, you'd have to compare autopsies in older folks from areas that never had fluoride in their water versus those that did.

02:21:49.000 And I'm certain those studies have been done.

02:21:52.000 Like I said, I'm just not that current.

02:21:53.000 I just don't buy the idea that you should put fluoride in the water to prevent tooth decay.

02:21:58.000 I just think that sounds like...

02:22:00.000 The way I've described it, I said it's like putting sunscreen in the apples because some people get sunburn.

02:22:05.000 Like, that doesn't seem logical.

02:22:08.000 You could just brush your fucking teeth.

02:22:10.000 Like, you don't need to have this weird neurotoxic chemical in our water, even in low supplies.

02:22:17.000 Yeah.

02:22:17.000 Would you put fluoride in the toothpaste?

02:22:20.000 No.

02:22:21.000 I don't have fluoride in my toothpaste.

02:22:22.000 I don't have cavities.

02:22:23.000 Oh, I do.

02:22:25.000 I've had a few cavities.

02:22:26.000 Do you eat sugar?

02:22:28.000 I love sugar.

02:22:29.000 That's it.

02:22:29.000 We found it.

02:22:31.000 I don't hardly ever eat sugar.

02:22:33.000 Yeah.

02:22:33.000 I mean, occasionally I have a cookie or something like that, but it's not a normal thing for me.

02:22:37.000 I think it's diet.

02:22:39.000 It's diet and it's brushing your teeth.

02:22:41.000 Yeah.

02:22:41.000 Well, and I think exercising your jaw, too.

02:22:44.000 Like, you know, chewing gum.

02:22:46.000 Right.

02:22:46.000 Xylitol gum is supposed to be really good for your jaw and good for your teeth.

02:22:50.000 Yeah.

02:22:51.000 If you have a healthy jaw, healthy chin, I mean, you breathe easier.

02:22:55.000 Yeah, definitely.

02:22:57.000 Yeah.

02:22:58.000 I don't know how they got started with the whole fluoride in the water thing, but it seems like a giant scam.

02:23:04.000 Like Big Fluoride is still selling fluoride to all these different water departments and they don't want to stop.

02:23:11.000 That's the only thing that makes sense to me.

02:23:13.000 It doesn't make any sense that people would be willing to potentially sacrifice...

02:23:16.000 They're children's IQ. There's a direct correlation between high levels of calcium in the water – or excuse me, high levels of fluoride in the water and low IQs.

02:23:26.000 This has been established.

02:23:27.000 So if that's true, that should be a fucking giant red flag for people.

02:23:32.000 I mean once you eliminate all the other environmental things that may be consistent with the people that have lower IQs in children – If you're just pointing only to fluoride, if this is one thing that varies, this is a potential real problem.

02:23:46.000 We know that leaded gas reduced people's IQ. You know that, right?

02:23:50.000 When they used to have leaded gas, people like me and you who grew up at a time with leaded gas, you probably would have a 10-point higher IQ if you didn't grow up with leaded gas.

02:24:03.000 I mean, there's some sort of a percentage.

02:24:04.000 I think it's a small percentage, but it's been measured.

02:24:08.000 It's been measured.

02:24:09.000 Find out what percentage of a detriment is leaded gas to your IQ. Because they actually have done studies on people and like what happened once unleaded gas was introduced and how children's IQs went up.

02:24:29.000 Oh yeah, super happy.

02:24:30.000 Yeah, it was quite helpful.

02:24:32.000 It's still in the ground in some places.

02:24:34.000 Well, it's still in a lot of pipes.

02:24:36.000 Oh, really?

02:24:37.000 Yeah.

02:24:38.000 Lead pipes.

02:24:38.000 Oh, yeah.

02:24:39.000 Yeah, the whole flint thing.

02:24:40.000 Oh, yeah.

02:24:40.000 Oh, right, right, right.

02:24:42.000 Yeah, they used lead pipes.

02:24:43.000 How crazy.

02:24:44.000 You're drinking water.

02:24:46.000 Well, the Romans used lead pipes.

02:24:47.000 I know.

02:24:48.000 Yeah, for their plumbing. 0.66

02:24:50.000 You know, the Latin name for lead is plumb.

02:24:55.000 Plumbum.

02:24:56.000 That's crazy.

02:24:57.000 Yeah, that's why the pipes were called plumbing.

02:25:00.000 That's probably why the Coliseum got started.

02:25:02.000 They're all fucked up on lead poisoning and just willing to throw their soldiers to the lions.

02:25:07.000 Nearly half of US population exposed to dangerously high lead levels.

02:25:11.000 So what does this say about IQ? Here it goes.

02:25:14.000 Exposure to car exhaust.

02:25:16.000 Estimate childhood lead exposure has on average led to a reduction of 2.6 IQ points per person.

02:25:24.000 That's nuts.

02:25:25.000 Research also found that non-Hispanic black people, individuals with lower family income to poverty ratio, and those with an older housing age were likely to have higher levels of lead in their blood.

02:25:36.000 Well, probably because they lived in urban areas where there's more car traffic, right?

02:25:41.000 Most likely.

02:25:42.000 Most likely.

02:25:42.000 Yeah, if they're inhaling lead particles.

02:25:44.000 If they're in cities.

02:25:45.000 Lead particles.

02:25:46.000 People that live in very congested areas.

02:25:49.000 Wow.

02:25:50.000 Wow.

02:25:52.000 1973, Environmental Protection Agency issued its first call for manufacturers to begin a gradual reduction in the amount of lead and gasoline.

02:25:58.000 I bet they're going to look back at fluoride the same way we look back at leaded gas.

02:26:03.000 We're going to go, what the hell were we doing?

02:26:05.000 It doesn't even make any sense.

02:26:08.000 Oh, it's for your teeth.

02:26:10.000 Brush your fucking teeth.

02:26:11.000 And if you use fluoride in your toothpaste, great.

02:26:14.000 Just spit it out.

02:26:14.000 Don't swallow that shit.

02:26:16.000 My friend Eddie said it best.

02:26:19.000 He said, if fluoride wasn't a problem, why would they want to sell you toothpaste without fluoride?

02:26:26.000 And why does it say fluoride-free in the toothpaste?

02:26:29.000 Why do people gravitate towards fluoride-free toothpaste?

02:26:32.000 Well, because of studies like this.

02:26:34.000 Where they found that there is a correlation between IQ levels and fluoride.

02:26:38.000 And at high levels, it's fucking dangerous for you.

02:26:41.000 But there's all these people trying to dismiss it.

02:26:43.000 Oh, stop.

02:26:44.000 What's the big deal?

02:26:45.000 There's nothing to this.

02:26:47.000 Look at the amount of fluoride.

02:26:48.000 What about a cumulative?

02:26:50.000 Do we know?

02:26:50.000 Do you really know?

02:26:51.000 Or why are you so willing to accept the fact that it's a good idea to throw neurotoxins in the water supply?

02:27:01.000 Well, you know, they may have just discovered it, you know, through serendipity.

02:27:08.000 You know, there may have been some...

02:27:10.000 Well, they did discover it through that.

02:27:12.000 There was an area in Texas, I believe, where they had high natural levels of fluoride in the water, and there's a corresponding lower instance of cavities.

02:27:22.000 Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

02:27:24.000 I think it's Texas.

02:27:27.000 Google how did they start putting fluoride in the water.

02:27:29.000 I'm pretty sure it's that.

02:27:31.000 Some healing springs of some sort.

02:27:33.000 Some mineral rich fluoride water.

02:27:36.000 I don't know.

02:27:37.000 But either way, just brush your teeth.

02:27:39.000 Stop eating so much sweets and brush your teeth.

02:27:42.000 Both those things are a good idea.

02:27:44.000 Fluoride in the water?

02:27:44.000 Not a good idea.

02:27:45.000 If you want to sell fluoride and tell people to add it to their water, fine.

02:27:49.000 But put it into everybody's water?

02:27:51.000 That's crazy.

02:27:53.000 That seems crazy.

02:27:55.000 Yeah.

02:27:56.000 Well, I mean, as a dentist or when I was a small kid, we used to get these fluoride treatments.

02:28:02.000 Yeah.

02:28:02.000 Yeah, with this, like, blue gun, you know, kind of gel that they would, you know, put in a splint and you put it on your upper and lower teeth for, like, five minutes or whatnot.

02:28:12.000 Yeah, kill all those bad germs.

02:28:14.000 A fluoride treatment.

02:28:16.000 Well, yeah, thank goodness.

02:28:17.000 Lower your curiosity.

02:28:19.000 Yeah, you lower your IQ, which is maybe not a bad idea.

02:28:24.000 Well, you've got to wonder, the thing you were talking about before about some people just don't have imagination, which is really crazy to think that some people are just – they just got a bad hand.

02:28:37.000 Well, they can't make stuff up.

02:28:39.000 Well, they must be quite practical, right?

02:28:42.000 I mean what you see is what you get.

02:28:44.000 There's no abstracting.

02:28:45.000 That's very charitable.

02:28:47.000 They might just be dull.

02:28:48.000 They might be dull-minded.

02:28:50.000 I mean, there's a certain percentage of our population that has an IQ below 85. What is it like, 15% or something like that?

02:28:58.000 Was it higher than that?

02:28:59.000 We were talking about it the other day, but I don't think we ever researched the actual number.

02:29:03.000 But it's significant enough where you're like, whoa.

02:29:06.000 You're running around the world with an 85 IQ. It's hard.

02:29:11.000 Well, you kind of wonder about the IQ test, right?

02:29:14.000 I mean, it was—what was it called?

02:29:16.000 The Stanford-Binet test.

02:29:18.000 It was developed way long ago.

02:29:21.000 It may not really measure all aspects of intelligence.

02:29:25.000 That's true.

02:29:26.000 Maybe someone with an 85-point IQ is smart in other ways, like emotionally intelligent, for example.

02:29:33.000 Okay.

02:29:37.000 With a 70 IQ, you have like 2%, 2 point something percent of the people.

02:29:43.000 When you get to 85, you have 13.6%.

02:29:47.000 So 13.6% have an IQ at 85 or below.

02:29:54.000 That's a lot.

02:29:56.000 34% is 100 to 85. Right.

02:30:01.000 But you have to also factor in education, right?

02:30:04.000 Like to take an IQ test, you have to be able to understand concepts.

02:30:07.000 You have to be able to solve problems.

02:30:10.000 And you most likely would have to have been exposed to many problems when you were younger for you to understand how these work.

02:30:18.000 And some people have had a very poor education and they might be intelligent.

02:30:22.000 They might be very emotionally intelligent.

02:30:23.000 Right, right.

02:30:24.000 Yeah, that was what I was thinking is that, yeah, it would be a different scale of intelligence than purely cognitive.

02:30:32.000 Right, right.

02:30:34.000 Yeah.

02:30:35.000 Well, that's one of the interesting elements about genetic engineering of the humans.

02:30:41.000 There is a big article in something I was reading.

02:30:45.000 Oh, Ecstatic Integration.

02:30:46.000 It's a newsletter put out by Jules Evans, a friend.

02:30:50.000 And he dove into genetic engineering of fetuses.

02:30:57.000 Like you can have a 3DNA fetus or embryo, you know, like the mom, the dad, and some super smart person or a super athletic person.

02:31:08.000 So you could do like a chimera almost in the human situation.

02:31:14.000 Whoa.

02:31:16.000 That's probably already happened.

02:31:18.000 Yeah, it is happening offshore.

02:31:20.000 Yeah.

02:31:20.000 That was the gist of this story.

02:31:22.000 China's probably creating a race of super people. 1.00

02:31:25.000 Well, the first genetic engineering of the fetus occurred in China.

02:31:31.000 It was a fellow working to develop HIV. That's what he says.

02:31:35.000 Yeah.

02:31:35.000 But it accidentally made them higher IQ. Accidentally.

02:31:40.000 Yeah.

02:31:42.000 Well, so that guy's back at work.

02:31:44.000 Yeah.

02:31:44.000 Well, he went to jail for a little bit.

02:31:45.000 Right.

02:31:46.000 He's got a big lab, lots of funding.

02:31:48.000 It's kind of weird.

02:31:49.000 It seems like they kind of made him a scapegoat a little bit, which they tend to do over there.

02:31:55.000 Well, you think that in a lot of ways that he would be celebrated.

02:31:59.000 Like, for example, the Scottish scientists that cloned that sheep, Dolly.

02:32:05.000 Yeah.

02:32:05.000 They were heroes.

02:32:07.000 Sure.

02:32:07.000 But I think we think very differently about it when it's being done with people.

02:32:11.000 We get super nervous, especially if you're going to be the first person that does it.

02:32:14.000 There's going to be a lot of outrage.

02:32:16.000 And I think some of that outrage is going to be by people that wish they did it first.

02:32:20.000 So they're going to be pretending that this is horrible that you've done this.

02:32:23.000 Right, they were scooped.

02:32:25.000 Yeah.

02:32:26.000 I wonder if there is that kind of reaction with the first heart transplant or the first kidney transplant, if the originators of the methodology were demonized because they were putting somebody else's heart in your place.

02:32:41.000 It has to be, right?

02:32:42.000 Well, we're lucky that it was done in the 20th century.

02:32:45.000 Imagine if it had been done in the 18th century or the 16th century.

02:32:49.000 You know, if you in the 1500s said, okay, I know how to save you.

02:32:52.000 This guy just got run over by a wagon.

02:32:54.000 I'm going to take his heart out.

02:32:55.000 I'm going to cut you open, put his heart into you.

02:32:57.000 Like what?

02:32:58.000 Right.

02:32:59.000 And that wouldn't have even worked because your body would have rejected it back then because they didn't have the proper drugs that allowed people to accept other people's organs and suppress your immune system.

02:33:08.000 So your immune system doesn't reject the organ.

02:33:12.000 Yeah.

02:33:13.000 I never was in a heart transplant operating theater.

02:33:20.000 You know, once in an emergency room, actually, I was able to, you know, crack somebody's chest open and work on their heart, you know, kind of give it the massage.

02:33:30.000 Well, the person, you know, was quite sick.

02:33:32.000 He was dying.

02:33:33.000 And we tried everything.

02:33:35.000 You know, like everything.

02:33:36.000 You know, like we used a defibrillator.

02:33:44.000 We put some epinephrine in a big syringe, put it through his chest, into his heart.

02:33:49.000 Didn't help.

02:33:50.000 And, you know, the last thing that we could do was do open heart massage.

02:33:55.000 Wow.

02:33:55.000 Yeah, open chest massage.

02:33:57.000 Yo! 1.00

02:33:58.000 It was crazy.

02:33:59.000 Yeah, and there were a bunch of a number of students around, and we each took turns squeezing it.

02:34:07.000 It was pretty...

02:34:08.000 Did the guy last after that?

02:34:10.000 No.

02:34:11.000 By the time you open up somebody's chest and start squeezing their heart with your hands, yeah, it's kind of...

02:34:16.000 Did he make it through that day, or how long did he live for?

02:34:19.000 No, he never woke up.

02:34:21.000 Oh, Jesus.

02:34:23.000 You know, medical training is a pretty interesting experience.

02:34:28.000 You know, the kinds of things that you learn to do to the human body and the kinds of things that people let you do to them because you're a physician.

02:34:38.000 It's a very interesting development of a role.

02:34:42.000 For example, when we first started working in the hospitals, there's a dress code.

02:34:47.000 This was 1976 or so.

02:34:52.000 There were lots of hippies in my class, and the dress code was to wear a tie.

02:34:58.000 And the hippies were saying, oh, forget ties.

02:35:01.000 And the teacher said, think what your mother would want to see her doctor wearing. 0.79

02:35:07.000 And everybody got all kind of guilt-ridden and, oh yeah, okay, our mom would like to see us wear a tie.

02:35:12.000 You work into a role.

02:35:18.000 How you look and how you talk and how you carry yourself.

02:35:22.000 It's a very interesting conditioning, social conditioning.

02:35:27.000 And you have an extreme position of authority.

02:35:31.000 Yeah, I mean, you could ask people to do things that nobody else would ask them and that they wouldn't even entertain if anybody else had asked them.

02:35:41.000 Yeah, it's a very privileged position.

02:35:43.000 It's very cool if you know what you're doing and you don't let it go to your head, but yeah, it's a unique apprenticeship.

02:35:54.000 Yeah, and they can do some wild things today.

02:35:56.000 I mean, I'm living proof of it.

02:35:59.000 I've had three knee operations, two knee reconstructions.

02:36:02.000 Yeah, well, a couple of years ago when I was out here for the first time, you were having some bleeding into your knee as I remember.

02:36:10.000 Bleeding.

02:36:11.000 Swelling?

02:36:12.000 Some bad swelling, at least.

02:36:15.000 Yeah.

02:36:15.000 Maybe they withdrew some blood from that joint?

02:36:19.000 Oh, you know what it was probably?

02:36:21.000 I had probably had what's called Regenikine.

02:36:25.000 So, Regenikine is when they take your blood out, and it's like platelet-rich plasma, but they spin it in this centrifuge, and it creates this yellow liquid, which is like a super potent anti-inflammatory, and then they had injected it into my knees.

02:36:39.000 Okay.

02:36:40.000 Yeah, it really helps heal things.

02:36:42.000 I had it done on my back.

02:36:44.000 I had it done on my knees.

02:36:45.000 It's amazing stuff.

02:36:46.000 Yeah, so you've gotten a bunch of knee surgery, huh?

02:36:49.000 Yes.

02:36:50.000 My knees are pretty beat up.

02:36:51.000 My back's pretty beat up, and my knees are pretty beat up.

02:36:53.000 That's from your martial arts stuff?

02:36:55.000 Yeah, most of it, yeah.

02:36:56.000 Yeah, well, do you have a knee replacement?

02:36:58.000 No, no, I don't need that.

02:37:00.000 No, it's not that bad.

02:37:01.000 Not nearly as bad, but quite a few people I know have one.

02:37:04.000 My friend Matt got one.

02:37:06.000 He's a former UFC welterweight champion, Matt Serra.

02:37:09.000 He's younger than me.

02:37:10.000 He has a knee replacement.

02:37:11.000 My friend Michael Bisping, he was a former UFC middleweight champion.

02:37:15.000 He has both of his knees replaced.

02:37:16.000 He has two artificial knees.

02:37:18.000 Yeah, and they're doing okay with their new knees.

02:37:20.000 Yeah, I mean better, right?

02:37:22.000 Like he was in severe, they were in severe pain to the point where they just couldn't take it anymore.

02:37:26.000 And they can do some pretty amazing things with resurfacing of the knees now. 0.81

02:37:31.000 You know, these titanium heads, have you seen them?

02:37:33.000 Yeah.

02:37:34.000 Pretty incredible.

02:37:34.000 They lop off the end of your knee, screw in this new one, and it just functions.

02:37:40.000 My feeling, the fear I have though, my fear, is that it's only good for like 20 years or so.

02:37:48.000 And then what do you got to do?

02:37:49.000 You got to go back in there and lop off it again and put a new one in?

02:37:52.000 Yeah, well, they may have some new development.

02:37:54.000 That's what you would hope so.

02:37:56.000 You would hope so.

02:37:57.000 But, I mean, you're banking on that.

02:37:58.000 You're, like, essentially making a bet that, okay, you can chop off the end of my knee and in 20 years they're going to have some new thing.

02:38:07.000 The thing that would give me pause today, and again, I'm not giving medical advice, but if today biologics are coming so far that they're able to regenerate both meniscus tissue and also cartilage, so they can do that now.

02:38:26.000 And there was a study in Australia where they did that recently, and I think there's something else going on somewhere in the United States.

02:38:33.000 Where they're showing promise in that regard.

02:38:35.000 So I think if people could just hang in there for a little longer, according to my friend Brigham, who owns Ways to Well, which is a stem cell clinic out here, he is convinced that these kind of Super invasive surgeries are going to be a thing of the past.

02:38:52.000 They're going to be able to regrow tissue and literally fix knee problems, back problems, things along those lines.

02:39:00.000 Neck problems.

02:39:01.000 Neck problems.

02:39:02.000 They're already doing a lot of that in Mexico.

02:39:06.000 Where there's places like the CPI, the Cellular Performance Institute.

02:39:10.000 I had a friend of mine, Shane Dorian, he's a big wave surfer.

02:39:14.000 You can imagine it's a pounding thing in your back and crushed by a 50-foot wave.

02:39:19.000 And he had it done to his spine where they go into your discs and they inject stem cells into each individual disc.

02:39:28.000 They actually put you under.

02:39:29.000 And you're supposed to be real relaxed for the next six weeks.

02:39:35.000 No heavy exercise at all.

02:39:36.000 You just kind of go walking.

02:39:38.000 And after a while, it starts to kick in and now he has no back pain anymore.

02:39:43.000 Yeah.

02:39:43.000 Is he back surfing?

02:39:45.000 Oh, yeah.

02:39:45.000 Yeah.

02:39:46.000 Yeah.

02:39:47.000 Stem cells.

02:39:48.000 Well, you know, psychedelics affect the formation of stem cells into new neurons.

02:39:53.000 That's called neurogenesis.

02:39:54.000 Yeah.

02:39:56.000 Psilocybin in particular, right?

02:39:58.000 Psilocybin, ketamine, DMT. Doesn't lion's mane do that as well, though?

02:40:02.000 Like non-psychoactive mushrooms?

02:40:04.000 I don't know.

02:40:05.000 See if lion's mane creates neurogenesis.

02:40:09.000 I think it does.

02:40:10.000 Yeah, Paul Stamets would know.

02:40:11.000 I think that's one of the things that Paul Stamets talked about was doing it in a stack, like doing psilocybin along with, yeah, now exactly what it was.

02:40:21.000 Lion's mane mushrooms can promote neurogenesis and enhance memory.

02:40:25.000 Yeah, I take that stuff.

02:40:26.000 I take lion's mane all the time.

02:40:31.000 And I always wonder how shit would my memory be if I didn't take it.

02:40:34.000 Yeah.

02:40:35.000 When I was recovering, I spoke to Paul and said, help me.

02:40:37.000 I need help.

02:40:38.000 And he said, lion's mane.

02:40:40.000 He gave me that giant mushroom, that thing on the desk over there.

02:40:42.000 That's what that is.

02:40:43.000 That big log-looking thing.

02:40:46.000 Oh, that's a mushroom?

02:40:47.000 That's a mushroom.

02:40:48.000 It's a huge one.

02:40:49.000 I was wondering what that was.

02:40:50.000 Yeah, that's a mushroom.

02:40:51.000 That's Paul Stamets who brought me a mushroom.

02:40:53.000 Yeah, nice.

02:40:54.000 Yeah.

02:40:54.000 He's a fascinating character.

02:40:55.000 Yeah, I like Paul.

02:40:56.000 Great guy.

02:40:57.000 Yeah, really great guy.

02:40:58.000 I think he just got something replaced.

02:41:01.000 Like a hip.

02:41:02.000 A hip or a knee.

02:41:03.000 Yeah.

02:41:04.000 Something along those lines.

02:41:05.000 Well, you know, my friends that have had knee replacements, they're out skiing, they're playing golf.

02:41:11.000 Yeah, they've really had a miraculous turnaround.

02:41:15.000 Yeah, you can do amazing things now.

02:41:17.000 It's incredible.

02:41:18.000 I just think that we're real close to not needing a fake one.

02:41:22.000 Real close to being able to generate new ones.

02:41:25.000 Well, you know, the organ I would like to replace with my eyes.

02:41:29.000 I've been, like as a kid, I've been nearsighted and nearsighted and more nearsighted.

02:41:34.000 So I would love to have artificial eyes.

02:41:36.000 If they worked, obviously.

02:41:38.000 Well, that's what we were talking about earlier, that they're going to be able to do that someday.

02:41:41.000 Yeah, I'd be happy with that.

02:41:43.000 I might wait around as long as I can to get some...

02:41:45.000 Like, I can see pretty well if the environment is brightly lit.

02:41:51.000 But if it gets dark or dim, it becomes difficult.

02:41:55.000 Dude, you're going to be able to see through walls.

02:41:56.000 See if you can find that article about potential...

02:42:00.000 Because it's not just Neuralink.

02:42:02.000 There's a few other competing companies that are doing very similar things.

02:42:05.000 And one of them are very confident they're going to be able to restore sight.

02:42:10.000 In how many years?

02:42:11.000 I don't know.

02:42:12.000 And then on top of that, the possibility is enhanced vision.

02:42:16.000 And that's what we're talking about.

02:42:17.000 Like being able to see warm things.

02:42:23.000 Cold blinds?

02:42:25.000 Blindsight device being developed to restore vision and people have lost their sight.

02:42:30.000 No, there was one that was saying you're going to be able to have infrared, night vision, a bunch of different possibilities on top of the fact they're going to be able to restore sight that eventually...

02:42:45.000 I don't know how you'd Google this.

02:42:46.000 That wasn't just restoring memory, excuse me, restoring vision, but enhanced vision.

02:42:52.000 And that it's going to be far...

02:42:55.000 I think they're promising vision far greater than what human beings are personally capable of.

02:43:00.000 Blindsight enables superhuman vision beyond natural limits like infrared, becomes cognitive process, not just biological.

02:43:06.000 Yeah, that's what blindsight is.

02:43:08.000 Okay, so that is the same Neuralink thing?

02:43:09.000 And then on top of that, you're going to be able to like zoom out.

02:43:13.000 So, you know, like you ever take like a Samsung phone, they have a 100x zoom, and you can just zoom in on something like way in the distance, like, wow, that's crazy.

02:43:21.000 You can really zoom in on stuff.

02:43:22.000 You're going to be able to do that with your eyeballs.

02:43:24.000 Yeah.

02:43:25.000 A feature enhancement, too.

02:43:28.000 Yeah.

02:43:28.000 Yeah, you can be able to see people look way better than they really look.

02:43:31.000 Just put a filter on.

02:43:32.000 Yeah.

02:43:32.000 Everybody's beautiful.

02:43:33.000 Yeah.

02:43:34.000 That's what Elon said on a tweet about it.

02:43:35.000 Yeah, so there it is.

02:43:38.000 Musk explained, the blind sight device for Neuralink will enable even those who have lost both eyes and their optic nerve to see.

02:43:45.000 Provided the visual cortex is intact, it will even enable those who have been blind from birth to see for the first time.

02:43:52.000 Here's the part that truly expands the horizons of what we think visions can be.

02:43:54.000 At first, the vision will be low resolution, like Atari graphics, but eventually it has the potential to be better than natural vision and enable you to see in infrared, ultra-violent, or even radar wavelengths, like Geordi LaForge.

02:44:09.000 Who's Geordi LaForge?

02:44:10.000 Star Trek.

02:44:10.000 Oh.

02:44:13.000 Well, I mean, that'd be a lot of information, wouldn't it?

02:44:16.000 Yeah.

02:44:16.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:44:16.000 So what would you do with it all?

02:44:19.000 Depends on what you're trying to do, you know?

02:44:22.000 If you're trying to find people hiding in the woods, you could be able to see them.

02:44:25.000 Yeah, or even become a philosopher.

02:44:30.000 I mean, with those enhanced processes, I mean, you could kind of direct it in any way that you'd like.

02:44:39.000 Do you think that enhancing the human body like this is what the future of humanity holds?

02:44:46.000 I think it's a stage we'll go through.

02:44:48.000 Yeah?

02:44:49.000 Yeah.

02:44:50.000 I'm not sure how far along it'll take us.

02:44:53.000 It may just end in our demise.

02:44:55.000 But I think it's a stage that we obviously are passing into now.

02:45:00.000 Some people think that's the mark of the beast from the Bible.

02:45:04.000 You know, for the people who get the chip.

02:45:07.000 The mark of the beast.

02:45:08.000 Isn't that on the forehead?

02:45:10.000 Maybe that's the best spot for it.

02:45:12.000 666 is the mark of the beast.

02:45:14.000 Right.

02:45:15.000 Yeah.

02:45:15.000 But isn't that like open to interpretation?

02:45:18.000 Like what does it say in the—you've read the original one.

02:45:20.000 What is the mark of the beast in the Hebrew Bible, the ancient?

02:45:24.000 Yeah, that's the Christian Bible.

02:45:26.000 That's the book of Revelation.

02:45:27.000 That's the New Testament, which I have not read amazingly enough.

02:45:32.000 How come?

02:45:34.000 Well, I'm pretty busy.

02:45:35.000 Too busy learning ancient Hebrew.

02:45:36.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:45:37.000 I have enough to study in the Hebrew Bible.

02:45:40.000 Yeah.

02:45:43.000 I mean, if you were going to prophesize about the end of humanity, you'd probably prophesize about someone accepting some sort of a chip in their brain and everybody being forced to do it, some matrix-type situation.

02:45:56.000 I could see why people wouldn't see.

02:45:59.000 It might be just the inevitable transition from biological to cyborg that we're probably going to have to go through anyway.

02:46:10.000 Well, the end of the world will, at least according to certain traditions, is heralded by the Antichrist.

02:46:20.000 And the Antichrist is the master of the lie.

02:46:23.000 So I think it's interesting to kind of use that perspective as a way of seeing where the future is heading.

02:46:34.000 So the Antichrist is mass media?

02:46:37.000 It's the master of the lie.

02:46:38.000 Yeah.

02:46:39.000 Mass media is the master of the lie.

02:46:41.000 Corporate media is the antichrist.

02:46:44.000 Corporate media leads us into wars, justifies all kinds of crazy things that we do.

02:46:50.000 We take over foreign governments and install our own puppet dictators and have everybody convinced that it's a good thing.

02:46:56.000 Well, the concept of the Antichrist is very old, you know, 2,000 years.

02:47:02.000 Like, you have Christ, you've got the Antichrist.

02:47:04.000 So, you know, there's a God and there's a, you know, demiurge.

02:47:10.000 Yeah, so it's a notion that has carried a lot of weight for a long time.

02:47:16.000 Yeah, yeah, so you think that the media is the Antichrist?

02:47:20.000 Well, I think...

02:47:21.000 Or, you know, could be seen as...

02:47:24.000 Well, you could see corporations as being in sort of a demonic state.

02:47:29.000 So if you have an obligation to your shareholders to consistently provide higher and higher profits every quarter, and in order to do that, you have to do things that will cost people lives and destroy people's lives.

02:47:44.000 Like, for instance, the Sackler family that got everybody hooked on opioids.

02:47:49.000 Is that not demonic?

02:47:50.000 That seems very demonic.

02:47:53.000 And if I was under the throes of its spell, if I had gotten caught up in opioids, it would be very similar to being possessed by demons, having your life ruined by devils.

02:48:07.000 Very similar, at least in result, right?

02:48:11.000 Especially if you wind up committing crimes because you want to get your drugs, you wind up in jail, your life is over, maybe you destroyed other people's lives.

02:48:17.000 It's very demonic in that way, like in the result, in the end result.

02:48:22.000 The end result is evil.

02:48:25.000 Well, you know, look at the opium wars in China.

02:48:29.000 You know, the British imported opium and there was a huge opium addiction problem in China.

02:48:34.000 And yeah, it was seen as a demonic scourge, you know, like a diabolical affliction.

02:48:41.000 And in its result, it is demonic.

02:48:44.000 Right.

02:48:44.000 It's just, we're like hung up on pitchfork, fork tail, horns, demon, you know, but in action.

02:48:54.000 It's clearly, demonstrably demonic.

02:48:58.000 Well, demonic in what way?

02:49:01.000 Okay.

02:49:02.000 If you can lie about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction, and you can justify an invasion of Iraq based on these clear lies, and then through that invasion, 500,000 children starve to death because of embargoes, countless people are killed that didn't have to be killed.

02:49:25.000 The loss of at least a million lives over the course of the entire war and then the starving people afterwards?

02:49:32.000 That's demonic, isn't it, for those people?

02:49:36.000 Well, does that mean that you believe in the devil or Satan?

02:49:41.000 I don't know what I believe in and what I don't believe in because I haven't experienced it.

02:49:45.000 Maybe if I experienced Satan, I'd be like, wow, Satan's real.

02:49:49.000 But you're allowed to believe in God.

02:49:51.000 But as soon as you start saying you believe in the devil, people look at you sideways.

02:49:55.000 You could be the president and you can say, God bless our troops.

02:49:58.000 Nobody bats an eye.

02:50:00.000 But if you say, the problem with America is the devil, and we will find the devil and we will root him out of our world, and that's what we're going to spend all your tax dollars on now.

02:50:10.000 Yeah, I mean, like you could...

02:50:14.000 I think good and evil are real things.

02:50:16.000 You can pray for God to bless their troops and you could pray for protection from Satan's influence on the troops if you were able to put the two like on...

02:50:27.000 Right, as soon as you bring up Satan publicly, you lose all the secular people.

02:50:33.000 Right.

02:50:34.000 You can praise God and people go, oh, it's in the fucking Pledge of Allegiance.

02:50:40.000 It's normal.

02:50:41.000 Whatever, yeah.

02:50:41.000 But it wasn't even until, what was it, like Teddy Roosevelt?

02:50:45.000 Like, who put Pledge of Allegiance in?

02:50:47.000 It was when we were battling the communists.

02:50:49.000 And that's when God got put into the Pledge of Allegiance.

02:50:52.000 Well, you believe in good and evil.

02:50:55.000 Like I think what occurs is the more people do good, the stronger the force of good is.

02:51:02.000 And the more that do evil, the stronger the force of evil is.

02:51:06.000 And then you have the Holocaust. 0.90

02:51:07.000 Well, you know, like, you know, how do you perceive that force?

02:51:12.000 Is it just energy?

02:51:13.000 Or do you anthropomorphize it into, like, a being that you can, you know, recognize and think about?

02:51:20.000 Right.

02:51:21.000 But there's kind of no denying, at least from a recognizable...

02:51:27.000 If you had to, like, look...

02:51:29.000 How do you quantify it?

02:51:30.000 How do you measure it?

02:51:31.000 There's no denying that evil takes place.

02:51:34.000 You know?

02:51:35.000 Like, the...

02:51:38.000 You can come up with any number of massacres throughout history and you say that's an evil act.

02:51:44.000 There's no question.

02:51:45.000 Right.

02:51:46.000 So evil is a thing that's real.

02:51:48.000 If there's good, there's evil.

02:51:50.000 Right.

02:51:50.000 And then there have been many, many things that people have done.

02:51:54.000 You're like, wow, good exists in the world.

02:51:55.000 There is still good.

02:51:57.000 So we know both those things are real things.

02:51:59.000 We just don't know what's the root of them all and are there really angels and demons or are those the scapegoats for this bizarre dance of good and evil that just exists in the world?

02:52:13.000 Well, if it weren't for Adam and Eve eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, there wouldn't be any perception of good and evil.

02:52:23.000 It would just be true or false.

02:52:26.000 Which is the reason that Adam and Eve were expelled from the garden.

02:52:29.000 Because in the beginning, they were living in a world of either truth or falsehood.

02:52:37.000 You're right.

02:52:38.000 And after eating the fruit of the difference between good and evil, they became opinionated.

02:52:43.000 Oh, that's good.

02:52:44.000 I like it.

02:52:44.000 That's bad.

02:52:45.000 I don't like it.

02:52:46.000 But the issue of true or false god became muddled.

02:52:53.000 Yeah.

02:52:54.000 And they no longer were fit inhabitants of the Garden of Eden, of Paradise.

02:52:59.000 What's your take on Lilith?

02:53:02.000 Yeah, Lilith.

02:53:03.000 Well, there's no mention of her in the Bible, per se, but there's a lot of mention of her in the rabbinic literature that sprung up after the Bible.

02:53:12.000 Yeah, the story is that I think after Cain killed Abel...

02:53:20.000 Was it after that?

02:53:22.000 No, I think it was after Adam and Eve were expelled from the garden that they stopped having sex.

02:53:30.000 So Adam then was sleeping with Lilith and they spawned innumerable demons as a result of their relationship.

02:53:40.000 And after a while Adam and Eve reconciled and they got the things together again.

02:53:46.000 Yeah, but Lilith plays a role in the understanding of evil in the world, like it's the result of the spawn of Lilith.

02:53:54.000 What do you think Lilith was originally, if it was a thing?

02:53:59.000 Yeah, I don't know.

02:54:00.000 Well, that's called Midrash.

02:54:02.000 It's the explication of the Bible by the rabbis.

02:54:06.000 So it's what's called extra-biblical.

02:54:10.000 And I've only looked into extra-biblical stuff to a certain extent.

02:54:14.000 What's the source of that stuff?

02:54:16.000 The imagination.

02:54:17.000 And I think the surrounding environment, societies, culture, influenced by the Greeks, the Sumerians, the Akkadians, the Hittites.

02:54:28.000 There's a lot of accumulation of other cultures onto...

02:54:36.000 Interpreting the stories that occur in the text.

02:54:39.000 A lot of fanciful things.

02:54:43.000 Entertaining things like, for example, Lilith is the source of demonic entities out there.

02:54:50.000 Mmm.

02:54:52.000 Yeah, I found out about Lilith like six months ago.

02:54:55.000 Oh, really?

02:54:56.000 Yeah, I never even heard about it.

02:54:57.000 Do you remember when we found out about Lilith?

02:54:58.000 Somebody brought it up on a show, right?

02:55:00.000 Yeah, who brought it up, I'm wondering.

02:55:01.000 I don't remember, but I was like, what?

02:55:03.000 Who's Lilith?

02:55:03.000 Yeah, was it Jordan Peterson?

02:55:05.000 It could have been.

02:55:06.000 Yeah, because he's a keen student of the Bible.

02:55:09.000 Yes, very possibly.

02:55:10.000 I do not remember, though.

02:55:12.000 But I remember thinking, like, wow.

02:55:13.000 And then the original story.

02:55:15.000 So when you're talking about the biblical translations of the Adam and Eve story that we're all accustomed to, It's all a watered-down, sort of, or a strange translated version of the ancient Hebrew, but you've read the actual ancient Hebrew version of it.

02:55:31.000 What did you get out of it?

02:55:33.000 Like, what did you...

02:55:34.000 Well, you know, most of the translations of the Hebrew Bible are quite good.

02:55:38.000 Like, you know, the King James Version.

02:55:41.000 Very accurate.

02:55:42.000 Yeah, it's a bit stilted.

02:55:44.000 Is anything missing in the translation from when you read it in ancient Hebrew, or do you think it's pretty clear?

02:55:50.000 It's fairly one-to-one correspondence between the Hebrew words and the English translation.

02:55:56.000 Certain things are interpreted through a Christian lens because the Christians wrote the King James Bible translation.

02:56:03.000 Right.

02:56:03.000 Yeah.

02:56:04.000 But the words and the grammar and the narratives, they're pretty much accurate.

02:56:12.000 They spent a lot of time working on painstaking translations.

02:56:17.000 So there was a responsibility to do it accurately.

02:56:23.000 Imagine that story, trying to pass that one down for a thousand years.

02:56:28.000 Yeah.

02:56:28.000 Like, yeah, so there was only two people, and then there was an apple.

02:56:32.000 Right.

02:56:33.000 And a snake talked Eve into eating that apple, and everything got fucked. 0.78

02:56:37.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:56:38.000 It's a very strange story.

02:56:40.000 It's a very strange story.

02:56:41.000 What do you think it really was all about?

02:56:44.000 I think there were two people named Adam and Eve.

02:56:46.000 For real?

02:56:48.000 As if they were real.

02:56:50.000 What do you mean by that?

02:56:52.000 Well, if you imagine that there was an Adam and Eve and you visualize the garden they were in and the snake and their interactions, there you have it.

02:57:01.000 So you think the biblical interpretation is a literal recalling of actual events that took place?

02:57:09.000 No.

02:57:10.000 No.

02:57:10.000 I don't think that.

02:57:11.000 Well, you know, it's like if you smoke DMT and you enter into this world, It's true.

02:57:17.000 It's overwhelmingly convincing.

02:57:20.000 It's got its own laws, its own system.

02:57:25.000 Things are regular, like certain things happen, certain interactions take place.

02:57:31.000 Yeah, and you're there.

02:57:33.000 You're convinced it's real and you interact with it to the best of your ability.

02:57:37.000 So I think that's the case with the narratives in the text.

02:57:43.000 It isn't a matter of interpreting what they mean as much as understanding what happened.

02:57:51.000 Boy, that's obscure.

02:57:53.000 So it's not interpreting what they mean, but understanding what happened.

02:57:58.000 Yeah.

02:57:58.000 Like, you know, what did the snake say to Eve?

02:58:01.000 So a snake really talked to Eve, though.

02:58:04.000 It was as if a snake talked to Eve.

02:58:05.000 As if.

02:58:06.000 Yeah.

02:58:06.000 So perhaps...

02:58:08.000 A psychedelic experience?

02:58:10.000 Perhaps an altered state of consciousness?

02:58:13.000 No, I think it was a case of a woman standing near a tree and a snake coming up to her and saying certain things and they have a conversation.

02:58:23.000 For real, for real.

02:58:25.000 As if it were real.

02:58:26.000 Well, you know, the stories have been told so many times.

02:58:29.000 Right.

02:58:29.000 That's the problem.

02:58:30.000 And, you know, they seem...

02:58:34.000 Well, if you...

02:58:35.000 Seems like they're blaming everything on Eve, too, which is like a little suspect.

02:58:39.000 I like to hear her start of it.

02:58:41.000 Well, the one who got punished without even having a chance to explain himself was the snake.

02:58:48.000 So God asks Adam what happened, and he asks Eve what happened, and he just lays it on the snake.

02:58:54.000 Right.

02:58:55.000 And the snake's like, I didn't tell her anything.

02:58:57.000 I can't even talk.

02:58:58.000 This lady wanted to eat that apple. 1.00

02:59:00.000 She blamed me.

02:59:02.000 Well, back then, snakes could talk.

02:59:05.000 Or in that world, snakes talk.

02:59:07.000 How so?

02:59:09.000 Well, you know, they were the wisest of all the animals in the garden.

02:59:12.000 So, you know, they could speak.

02:59:16.000 Right.

02:59:16.000 But you speak of these things as if, like we're talking about when you go to the zoo, the monkeys swing from the vines.

02:59:22.000 It's normal.

02:59:24.000 Snakes talk.

02:59:25.000 Well, it's a bit of a paradox.

02:59:28.000 Let me ask you this.

02:59:33.000 So if you treat those stories as if they were real...

02:59:39.000 You're opening yourself up to this universe of Adam and Eve were in the garden.

02:59:44.000 Then they had Cain and Abel.

02:59:47.000 Cain killed Abel.

02:59:48.000 Then Cain had children.

02:59:50.000 And his children begot the 17 nations.

02:59:53.000 And then there was a flood because mankind was bad.

02:59:57.000 Noah and his family survived.

02:59:59.000 They all spoke one language afterwards.

03:00:01.000 There was a tower.

03:00:02.000 There's Nimrod, there's Abraham, there's Isaac and Jacob. 0.65

03:00:07.000 So it's this world which seems to be quite coherent, quite consistent.

03:00:13.000 It all ties together.

03:00:14.000 It's quite consistent from book to book, from narrative to narrative.

03:00:19.000 It is a different way of looking at the Bible.

03:00:22.000 It isn't dogma, like you have to do this or you have to do that.

03:00:26.000 Or it isn't like a Jungian archetype or a psychodynamic wish fulfillment.

03:00:31.000 It's this world that is articulated, spelled out in a very ancient, very influential text.

03:00:42.000 So...

03:00:44.000 Is it also possible that something completely different took place, but that over time and over a oral tradition of who knows how many hundreds of years before they actually wrote it down and then writing it down, you're getting a version of the actual event that's very different than what really took place, but you think about it like the version in the scripture.

03:01:11.000 And if you think about it in the version of the Scripture, are you thinking about it like as if this was an event as recorded, or are you thinking this is a representation of an archetype or some sort of moment in human history that they're trying to or are you thinking this is a representation of an archetype or some sort Well, if you consider— If that makes sense.

03:01:37.000 Well, if you consider the text to be prophetically received, Prophecy is communication between the divine and man, and the text was prophetically received.

03:01:49.000 In fact, Philo of Alexandria, one of Terence McKenna's heroes, used to say the most accurate historians were the prophets, because they heard it directly from the initiator of the event, the witness of the event, the one who could understand the event in the huge context.

03:02:10.000 You know, so it's a prophetically received text, which means it contains information received from a spiritual sort of level, which you would think is a universal field of sorts.

03:02:26.000 How much have you ever paid attention, if at all, to any of that ancient Sumerian stuff, like the Anunnaki?

03:02:35.000 Some.

03:02:36.000 Yeah, I watched this really great documentary a few years back.

03:02:42.000 Yeah, but I wouldn't consider myself as knowing much about it.

03:02:49.000 Right.

03:02:51.000 That, to me, is one of the weirder origin stories.

03:02:55.000 Yeah, so what is that origin story?

03:02:57.000 On my recall, it's quite fascinating, but not the details.

03:03:03.000 Well, there's multiple versions of it.

03:03:06.000 First of all, the fantastic story is told by Zechariah Sitchin.

03:03:12.000 So Zechariah Sitchin, who wrote The Twelfth Planet, and he wrote several other books, he was a biblical scholar and a linguist, and he spent a lot of time studying the ancient Sumerian text, the cuneiform.

03:03:27.000 And what he believes is that it tells a story of an ancient relationship between a race of beings on a far distant planet that's in an elliptical orbit, and it comes near Earth every 3,600 years, and that they had engineered human beings out and that they had engineered human beings out of lower primates.

03:03:47.000 They had, like, accelerated our evolution, and that all of what we know about the cosmos, all of what we know about...

03:03:59.000 They have these detailed...

03:04:02.000 I don't see the ancient tablets that have a detailed map of the solar system from 6,000 years ago.

03:04:08.000 Right, okay.

03:04:08.000 The sun in the center and all the moon.

03:04:10.000 And they have these really enormous beings.

03:04:13.000 And these enormous beings were supposed to be these things called the Anunnaki. 1.00

03:04:17.000 And the literal translation is, those from heaven to earth came.

03:04:21.000 It's one of the weirder, like if you love a great science fiction version of the origin story of humans, it's the most fun one.

03:04:31.000 Yeah, it brings to mind, you know, the sons of God, you know, the B'nai Elohim, which occurred in the story of the flood and Noah.

03:04:44.000 The Nephilim, too.

03:04:45.000 Yeah, the Nephilim, the Rephaim, they were huge. 1.00

03:04:48.000 They were giants.

03:04:49.000 Yeah.

03:04:49.000 Men of renown.

03:04:50.000 Yeah.

03:04:51.000 And they intermarried or they had, you know, sex with the daughters of man. 0.97

03:04:56.000 And from them came a race. 0.92

03:04:58.000 Yeah, you know, so that story is interpreted or perceived, you know, through the lens of the Hebrew Bible, too.

03:05:04.000 Really?

03:05:04.000 Yeah.

03:05:06.000 Well, there are, you know, that is a story in the text, you know, before the flood, is, you know, the B'nai Elohim, you know, come down to earth, they have intercourse with You know, the daughters of man. 0.83

03:05:24.000 And out of those relationships comes this race of giants.

03:05:30.000 That's the most fun one.

03:05:32.000 Yeah, yeah.

03:05:32.000 Isn't it?

03:05:34.000 Well, they all got swept away in the flood.

03:05:36.000 So that's an interesting turn of events.

03:05:41.000 Well, if you interpret the flood as the Younger Dryas impact theory, which created the flood, which lines up.

03:05:47.000 Right.

03:05:47.000 That does line up.

03:05:48.000 Yeah.

03:05:49.000 It lines up time-wise.

03:05:50.000 It lines up with how it would go down.

03:05:52.000 Yeah.

03:05:52.000 Just no evidence of giants.

03:05:54.000 That's the only thing we're missing.

03:05:55.000 If they found some giants, Well, in the meantime, you can assume that the giants were real and understand their origin, what they were like, what they did, why they did it, what the results were.

03:06:10.000 Yeah, the bizarre thing is they've isolated this area outside of the Kuiper Belt where they believe there's a large planetary body.

03:06:19.000 That might be multiple times larger than Earth that exists out there right where you would imagine that this thing is.

03:06:26.000 If there really is some sort of a planet that comes close to us with these super advanced beings.

03:06:32.000 Yeah, I think I've heard of that actually.

03:06:34.000 It gets fun.

03:06:36.000 Those get fun.

03:06:37.000 Those I put away rational thought just to pay attention to that stuff.

03:06:42.000 Well, and if it were true, then what?

03:06:49.000 Well, if it were true, that sort of is what everyone's seeing when they're seeing UFOs and UAPs.

03:06:55.000 They're probably visiting or they probably are always here.

03:06:58.000 They're probably watching to make sure we don't blow ourselves up and probably assisting us on our journey of evolving past this primitive, violent state that we currently find ourselves in.

03:07:12.000 One would hope.

03:07:13.000 One would hope.

03:07:14.000 Yeah.

03:07:15.000 Or they could be just, you know, doing the opposite.

03:07:17.000 They may be stirring up trouble.

03:07:20.000 Maybe.

03:07:21.000 Maybe they realize that people need trouble in order to get things done, in order to join the Galactic Federation.

03:07:27.000 We have to figure out a way to get off the planet.

03:07:30.000 The best way to get off the planet is to develop superior weapons.

03:07:34.000 Yeah.

03:07:34.000 You know, kind of withdraw from the brink of the precipice.

03:07:37.000 Right.

03:07:38.000 You know, that's the story of humanity, basically, isn't it?

03:07:41.000 Yeah, it is.

03:07:42.000 Well, that's what's interesting about origin stories, right?

03:07:44.000 And that's what's interesting about the biblical texts is that there are these stories about things that have gone horribly wrong and influences different things that happened to humanity and different cataclysms and disasters and These stories are shared through different cultures, which is really interesting.

03:08:02.000 In the Epic of Gilgamesh, there's a flood story.

03:08:06.000 It's real similar.

03:08:08.000 Most of the Middle East has got a flood story, an origin story.

03:08:19.000 It just makes you wonder.

03:08:20.000 Well, it makes you wonder if it's true.

03:08:22.000 So that's why I think studying one particular tradition in great detail can kind of help you resonate with ones that are more universal.

03:08:38.000 Yeah.

03:08:39.000 Well, that one is so common, which is really interesting when you see the Younger Dryas Impact Theory evidence.

03:08:46.000 Like, of course, 11,000 plus years ago, this is probably what happened.

03:08:51.000 The story gets passed around forever and ever and everyone sort of remembers it.

03:08:56.000 Yeah.

03:08:57.000 Well, do you like Graham's documentaries?

03:08:59.000 Yeah, I do.

03:09:00.000 Yeah, the Netflix ones.

03:09:01.000 They're fascinating.

03:09:02.000 I don't like all the anger that comes out of it, all the people that get mad at him and the disparaging remarks and how some archaeologists have severely overreacted to it as if it's some horrific threat.

03:09:15.000 But it's fascinating, just the raw data.

03:09:20.000 About the size of these stones, their alignment with constellations, the fact that these things have been there for at least 4,500 years, some of them.

03:09:32.000 And some of them even further than that when you get to like Gobekli Tepe.

03:09:35.000 To me it's just incredible to imagine people living 11,000 years ago.

03:09:40.000 Like what is life like?

03:09:42.000 What is that experience like?

03:09:44.000 What is it like talking to people?

03:09:46.000 Yeah.

03:09:47.000 Well, those footprints around, you know, white sands are super cool.

03:09:50.000 Yeah, that's not far from where I live.

03:09:51.000 That's 22,000 years.

03:09:53.000 Yeah, you know, kids running around in the mud.

03:09:56.000 Yeah.

03:09:57.000 It's crazy.

03:09:58.000 Yeah, it's very interesting.

03:10:01.000 Altered States.

03:10:01.000 This is your book.

03:10:03.000 New book came out.

03:10:03.000 Well, it's going to be coming out tomorrow.

03:10:05.000 Oh, and I took your advice and I narrated the audio.

03:10:08.000 Yes!

03:10:09.000 Beautiful.

03:10:10.000 I'm so happy when people do that.

03:10:12.000 December 10th, My Altered States.

03:10:17.000 And it is going to be available everywhere?

03:10:20.000 Yeah.

03:10:21.000 Inner Traditions publishes it.

03:10:23.000 Yeah, it's on all the usual resources.

03:10:26.000 And you can go to rickstrassman.com and you can see this and everything else.

03:10:32.000 Oh, and you can pre-order it.

03:10:33.000 You can order it for me.

03:10:35.000 I will inscribe it and I will sign it.

03:10:37.000 Oh, beautiful.

03:10:37.000 Oh, that's awesome.

03:10:39.000 That's very cool.

03:10:40.000 That's only 20 bucks.

03:10:41.000 All right, man.

03:10:42.000 Yeah, the book is illustrated as well.

03:10:44.000 There's some pretty funny stories in there, and each of them has got at least one illustration.

03:10:48.000 Oh, cool.

03:10:49.000 Yeah.

03:10:49.000 Oh, look at that.

03:10:50.000 Who drew it?

03:10:51.000 A friend from Birmingham, Alabama named Marilee Chalice.

03:10:57.000 That's crazy.

03:10:57.000 That's a crazy one.

03:10:58.000 There's one called Steak on Acid.

03:11:03.000 You ever eat steak on acid?

03:11:05.000 No, I have not.

03:11:06.000 This is great.

03:11:07.000 These are cool drawings.

03:11:08.000 They're great drawings, yeah.

03:11:09.000 Oh, that's awesome.

03:11:11.000 Rick, thank you so much.

03:11:13.000 It's always great to see you.

03:11:14.000 Thanks, Joe.

03:11:15.000 I really enjoyed it.

03:11:16.000 It was a lot of fun.

03:11:17.000 All right.

03:11:18.000 Go buy the book, folks.

The Joe Rogan Experience - December 11, 2024

Joe Rogan Experience #2241 - Rick Strassman

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