The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2242 - Bert Sorin

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00:00:09.000 Good to see you, Joe.

00:00:16.000 What's going on, man?

00:00:16.000 Good to see you, man.

00:00:17.000 Thank you very much for that extraordinary piece of athletic equipment you brought to the gym.

00:00:22.000 Absolutely.

00:00:22.000 Is there a photo of that so we can show people what it looks like?

00:00:25.000 Yeah, it should be on the website X Factor.

00:00:27.000 And what is it called?

00:00:29.000 It's called the X Factor.

00:00:30.000 Oh, it's called the X Factor.

00:00:30.000 What is the website?

00:00:31.000 Sorenx.com.

00:00:32.000 Go to Sorenx.com.

00:00:34.000 Check out the X Factor.

00:00:35.000 Sorenx.com.

00:00:36.000 Pull it up, Jamie.

00:00:37.000 Pull it up, Jamie.

00:00:37.000 Isn't that nice to say that?

00:00:38.000 Shush, man.

00:00:39.000 It's fun, right?

00:00:40.000 It's big.

00:00:40.000 So this is the machine.

00:00:41.000 Yeah, it's actually Judd who was here a minute ago.

00:00:43.000 Yeah, it's a brilliant machine, man.

00:00:46.000 The idea that you could push and pull rotational power machine.

00:00:51.000 It really is a genius idea, man.

00:00:55.000 And for things like striking sports, that's huge.

00:01:00.000 Like the ability to push and pull at the same time while stabilizing your core.

00:01:05.000 I mean, that is undoubtedly going to help people.

00:01:10.000 You're definitely going to be able to deliver more power in strikes.

00:01:13.000 Right.

00:01:13.000 Because you take the ground force and then be able to put it through, obviously, with the core.

00:01:18.000 Because that's all three planes of motion.

00:01:20.000 All we obviously go through your core.

00:01:22.000 And then puts it into either your feet or your arms.

00:01:27.000 It's just so unusual that you can do something like that.

00:01:29.000 I mean, I guess you kind of can do something like that with cables, with the cable machine.

00:01:33.000 But that seems better.

00:01:34.000 Yeah.

00:01:35.000 Yeah, because you have a little bit of a balance component as well, but you're right, like you're blocking, let's say you're a right hander, you're blocking on that left leg, you're stabilizing out the right hamstring and hip.

00:01:44.000 But yeah, especially when you get that little extra extension, I call it the riblets right there, your obliques, it just locks everything in.

00:01:50.000 So I'm interested to see what you come up with.

00:01:52.000 It's pretty dope.

00:01:53.000 And you were telling me that this was originally, like, you came up with this idea from an older machine that's not...

00:02:00.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:02:01.000 So we've, you know, I've been in this industry a long time, as well as you have, but it's kind of taken a remastered series where we're taking all, like, the cool stuff that was...

00:02:10.000 Could have been our designs, but it could have been just old designs that were just, like, kind of lost to the ages.

00:02:15.000 And we're like, hey, that was a cool piece, but it sucked because you had to load it weird, or it was like...

00:02:21.000 Maybe it wasn't as safe as it could have been.

00:02:23.000 And so it's like, let's break the whole thing apart, figure out what was good about it.

00:02:27.000 And then that was like the eighth iteration.

00:02:29.000 We just kept playing with it.

00:02:30.000 And then it was like, when you realize the double axis is what made the user experience cool.

00:02:36.000 And it was like, okay, this is badass.

00:02:38.000 And, you know, I sent that video to you.

00:02:41.000 And then a couple colleges have already bought them.

00:02:43.000 And then Ryan Krauser, the world champion and record holder in the shot put, was like, yeah, like this is all rotational power.

00:02:50.000 How do we turn that on?

00:02:52.000 Yeah.

00:02:52.000 Yeah, it's so cool today because there's so much social media and there's so many videos and YouTube videos of people using equipment.

00:03:01.000 Like 15, 20 years ago, you had to go to a gym and go, oh, what is that?

00:03:05.000 Oh, that's cool.

00:03:06.000 Where'd you get that?

00:03:07.000 How's that work?

00:03:08.000 The big guy in the gym, you had to go, hey, what's the deal?

00:03:11.000 You and I grew up in the same era where we're going to gyms all the time and there's a bunch of quacks telling you to do stuff. 1.00

00:03:18.000 Always, yeah.

00:03:19.000 And then there's a bro scientist.

00:03:20.000 Total bro scientist.

00:03:22.000 Yeah.

00:03:22.000 And then you're just like, hey, if that guy's really good at something.

00:03:26.000 Back in the day, I would, after I'd compete, probably much like you, After I compete, I would get whoever was better than me and I would offer to take them out to dinner.

00:03:34.000 And I would just go, hey, like I'd feed them beers until they basically told me how they beat me.

00:03:41.000 Just like, well, how much are you cleaning or what are you doing?

00:03:44.000 Then I would pick up some little idiosyncrasy of training.

00:03:47.000 They're like, oh, we would do this contrast.

00:03:50.000 And I'm like, what's that?

00:03:51.000 And I would just keep digging and digging and digging.

00:03:53.000 I'd go back and figure it out.

00:03:54.000 Well, I remember when I was competing, they would tell you to not lift weights, which is so hilarious.

00:04:00.000 They used to say that.

00:04:03.000 They used to say it will slow you down and you'll become tight.

00:04:06.000 And I remember thinking, like, why don't you just stretch if you're tight?

00:04:10.000 Yeah, so horsepower makes the car slower?

00:04:13.000 It didn't make any sense to me.

00:04:15.000 It's like they thought that the only exercise you should do is martial arts itself.

00:04:20.000 Just hit the bag, you know, train.

00:04:22.000 Now, when do you think that...

00:04:24.000 Well, you got, you know, Bruce Lee would do...

00:04:27.000 I mean, he did some exercise.

00:04:29.000 He did a lot of isometrics.

00:04:30.000 Yeah, and he had some lifting, but it was always pretty light.

00:04:33.000 But what would you say was when that changed?

00:04:36.000 I think it was Evander Holyfield.

00:04:39.000 I think it was Mackie Shillstone trained Evander Holyfield when he went up to heavyweight.

00:04:45.000 And I remember myself at the time, so this was in the 90s, I remember thinking, what is he doing?

00:04:51.000 He's lifting weights? 0.99

00:04:52.000 He's gonna fuck himself up. 1.00

00:04:55.000 Doesn't he know that all these coaches have already figured it out? 1.00

00:04:58.000 And then all of a sudden Evander got all these training.

00:05:00.000 Dude, he was trapped and dealt it out.

00:05:03.000 He got jacked.

00:05:04.000 And he became a legitimate heavyweight.

00:05:07.000 Also, pretty sure there were some Mexican supplements involved.

00:05:11.000 Yeah, he might have gone across the border.

00:05:13.000 I think it's a strong possibility.

00:05:17.000 The 90s are a good time.

00:05:18.000 I think it's a strong possibility there was some help.

00:05:20.000 Because also, you never heard of anybody testing positive for steroids back then.

00:05:24.000 No.

00:05:25.000 And I know for a fact that some of those guys were on steroids.

00:05:29.000 I would not disagree. 1.00

00:05:31.000 I know people who know people, and I know I would fucking put it all on black. 1.00

00:05:38.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:05:39.000 Well, because up until 91, steroids weren't even illegal as a controlled substance.

00:05:44.000 Do you know who caused it to be illegal?

00:05:46.000 Joe Biden. 1.00

00:05:47.000 No shit. 1.00

00:05:48.000 Yep, that motherfucker. 1.00

00:05:49.000 It was all him. 1.00

00:05:51.000 Yeah.

00:05:52.000 Derek from More Plates, More Dates was telling us about it the other day. 1.00

00:05:55.000 I'm like, that motherfucker. 1.00

00:05:56.000 He did it. 1.00

00:05:58.000 That should be a loan, a reason.

00:06:01.000 Well, I guess the idea is that people could abuse it, right?

00:06:05.000 Here's the deal, folks.

00:06:06.000 You can abuse almost everything.

00:06:09.000 This is my argument against online gambling.

00:06:12.000 You know, there's a lot of people that think online gambling should be banned because so many people are losing money on online gambling. 1.00

00:06:18.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:06:19.000 Do you know how easy it is to not online gamble? 1.00

00:06:22.000 It's so easy.

00:06:23.000 You know how easy it is?

00:06:23.000 I've never online gambled.

00:06:25.000 It makes two of us.

00:06:26.000 That's how easy it is.

00:06:27.000 To not online gambling.

00:06:28.000 I'd probably forget my password to get into the thing, but yeah.

00:06:31.000 I'm not discounting the fact that gambling is addictive.

00:06:34.000 I personally know gambling addicts. 1.00

00:06:37.000 One of my best friends, Dana White, is a fucking gambling addict. 1.00

00:06:40.000 He happens to be insanely wealthy so he can get away with it. 1.00

00:06:44.000 That helps.

00:06:45.000 I grew up in pool halls.

00:06:47.000 I know gambling addicts.

00:06:49.000 I get it.

00:06:50.000 I'm not one. 0.98

00:06:51.000 So it's possible to, like, fucking have some self-control and discipline and willpower. 0.96

00:06:56.000 The weird thing, I've never done crack either. 0.99

00:06:58.000 Crazy!

00:06:59.000 It's strange. 0.97

00:07:00.000 You know, crack is everywhere, and it's a scourge of humanity.

00:07:02.000 I've never done crack.

00:07:04.000 You know, it's really weird.

00:07:06.000 I've never even seen crack.

00:07:08.000 I've seen it.

00:07:08.000 Yeah.

00:07:09.000 It's weird.

00:07:10.000 I saw cocaine once in my entire life, which is wild, based on- That is pretty wild.

00:07:14.000 I know a lot of people, and it's like, yeah, did they just think I would just say no to that?

00:07:18.000 Because I grew up in the 80s and just say no to generation.

00:07:20.000 I haven't seen coke- I didn't think it was a real thing.

00:07:22.000 Since I was in high school.

00:07:24.000 I've never- Really?

00:07:25.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:07:25.000 Which is kind of crazy, because I know so many people who do coke.

00:07:28.000 Yeah.

00:07:29.000 But I was at a party in high school the last time I saw someone doing coke.

00:07:32.000 No way.

00:07:33.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:07:33.000 In your world.

00:07:34.000 Yeah, my world.

00:07:35.000 Yeah.

00:07:36.000 Well, I don't do anything like that. 0.99

00:07:38.000 I don't ever fuck around. 0.99

00:07:39.000 I've never done coke. 1.00

00:07:40.000 I've never even thought about doing it.

00:07:42.000 Never had the desire.

00:07:44.000 Because I was around people that were abusing it when I was in high school.

00:07:47.000 So I was like, okay.

00:07:49.000 Do you think that's because you're such a strong personality and kind of role model that people are like, hey, Joe's not into that.

00:07:55.000 Keep it away from it.

00:07:57.000 Do you think they're respectful of that and just kind of know the deal?

00:08:00.000 They just know I don't want it.

00:08:02.000 I'm just not interested in anything that gives me more confidence.

00:08:06.000 I'm not interested in that.

00:08:07.000 I got plenty of that.

00:08:08.000 I like humility.

00:08:10.000 I'm looking for humility.

00:08:11.000 I don't like confidence boosters. 0.89

00:08:13.000 I don't like anything that gives you a ridiculous sense of your abilities.

00:08:19.000 I'd rather be humble. 0.94

00:08:21.000 I'm not interested.

00:08:22.000 I mean, delusionment is a strong suit.

00:08:26.000 Sometimes.

00:08:27.000 Yeah, and it can get your pound up too.

00:08:29.000 Definitely. 1.00

00:08:30.000 I think it gets you pretty far and then your fucking wheels come off. 1.00

00:08:34.000 Speed bubbles. 0.99

00:08:35.000 It's like when you're skateboarding when you're a kid.

00:08:37.000 Have you ever seen a guy on a motorcycle and you see when they do that and you're like, no!

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00:10:39.000 It's like you had Josh Strollen on it the other day.

00:10:41.000 That was like what he did in Goonies.

00:10:43.000 Remember he had the little bike?

00:10:44.000 Oh, that's right.

00:10:45.000 He was talking about the motorcycle and all I could think about is my head is him flying off the cliff in Goonies.

00:10:50.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

00:10:51.000 I forgot he was in Goonies.

00:10:53.000 I should have brought that up.

00:10:55.000 We should have had that.

00:10:56.000 I wanted to bring it up so bad.

00:10:57.000 I was on the plane.

00:10:58.000 I was biting my tongue the whole time.

00:10:59.000 I was riding on a plane and I was like, all I could see is that cat in sweatpants with his shorts on top of his sweatpants riding a tricycle or whatever down this hill.

00:11:07.000 He's one of the rare guys that was like a child actor that turned out really awesome.

00:11:12.000 Yeah, that's a small club. 0.99

00:11:15.000 That's a fucking super small club. 0.99

00:11:18.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:11:18.000 Because everybody that I know, and I know a few people personally that were famous as a young person, they're out of their fucking mind. 1.00

00:11:25.000 They're like, you know what I say it's like, look at him. 0.99

00:11:29.000 Hey, I have a good memory.

00:11:30.000 Look at me.

00:11:31.000 How old was he back then?

00:11:32.000 He was probably 17 or 18. That's so crazy.

00:11:36.000 Well, he's two years younger than me.

00:11:38.000 In 85, I was 18. So he's probably like...

00:11:43.000 Were the 80s not so awesome?

00:11:45.000 The 80s were pretty cool.

00:11:47.000 Except everybody's worried that Russia was going to blow us up.

00:11:49.000 The true story.

00:11:50.000 Yeah.

00:11:51.000 True story.

00:11:51.000 Yeah.

00:11:51.000 I remember 85, I believe it was 85, going to...

00:11:55.000 I know obviously we're both into archery.

00:11:57.000 So 85 Rambo First Blood Part 2 came out.

00:12:00.000 Pops took me to the movie theater.

00:12:02.000 He and I saw it.

00:12:03.000 And we went straight from there to the archery shop.

00:12:06.000 I got my first bow that day.

00:12:07.000 Really?

00:12:07.000 Yeah.

00:12:08.000 I still have it.

00:12:08.000 Wow.

00:12:09.000 Yeah.

00:12:09.000 It's awesome.

00:12:10.000 I still have some of the same arrows.

00:12:11.000 Wow. 0.99

00:12:11.000 No shit! 0.99

00:12:12.000 Yeah, I strangely don't lose things. 0.99

00:12:15.000 But yeah, I remember in the backyard shooting, because he kind of half-taught me, and then I was in the backyard zinging arrows, and thinking, like, if I had explosive tips, like, how badass would this be?

00:12:23.000 I went to Lanai, and, you know, they have the Pineapple Brothers, and I brought my whole family.

00:12:30.000 And then they also have this area where you can go, and you can, like, shoot skeet, and you drive, like...

00:12:38.000 Four-wheelers up in the mountains.

00:12:40.000 And then they had traditional archery, like bows and arrows.

00:12:43.000 And I was like, oh, let me try this. 0.99

00:12:45.000 I don't know how to fucking aim. 0.96

00:12:48.000 I'm terrible at it. 0.98

00:12:49.000 I was like, I'm a good archer.

00:12:50.000 I should be good at this.

00:12:52.000 Or I thought. 1.00

00:12:52.000 I could barely hit the fucking target from 20 yards away. 1.00

00:12:56.000 It's like the science and the art. 1.00

00:12:57.000 Two different things.

00:12:58.000 They're totally different.

00:13:00.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:13:00.000 I've always said the guys that are traditional hunters, trad guys, they're either weirdos or they're absolute killers. 0.98

00:13:07.000 Right.

00:13:07.000 It's like Aaron Snyder type dudes who are so good at compound archery, they get tired of it.

00:13:12.000 Yeah.

00:13:13.000 Or they're weird guys that smell like sausage and live in their mom's basement.

00:13:17.000 And they're like, yeah, I know you do that, but you probably go to like Ren Fairs and stuff too, so I'm not sure what's to deal with.

00:13:23.000 Well, at Archery Country, the local archery shop here in town, whenever I get a new bow or I get a new sight and I have to sight it in, they have an indoor range. 0.60

00:13:34.000 And a lot of times in the indoor range, there's these dorks.

00:13:37.000 Sorry, folks. 0.99

00:13:39.000 Dorks with recurves. 1.00

00:13:40.000 And they're fucking, they're at 20 yards. 1.00

00:13:44.000 They're spread. 1.00

00:13:45.000 It's like my arm length.

00:13:48.000 It's wild.

00:13:49.000 They're barely hitting the target.

00:13:50.000 It's wild.

00:13:51.000 Don't do that. 1.00

00:13:52.000 This is stupid. 1.00

00:13:53.000 You don't shoot like a cardinal direction. 1.00

00:13:56.000 I'm shooting east today.

00:13:58.000 When they get good, like I've seen Schneider make groups at 40 that are like the size of a silver dollar.

00:14:05.000 But most people struggle pretty hardcore.

00:14:10.000 But they say also that if you do want to hunt with it, you have to practice every day because it's almost like throwing a ball.

00:14:16.000 Like, you know, if you're throwing a ball, you know how much the ball weighs because you've thrown it a bunch of times and you have like this muscle memory that if I throw that hard at 20 yards, I'm going to hit that thing.

00:14:27.000 Yeah, it's like a quarterback.

00:14:29.000 Quarterbacks, I know a couple of my buddies were college quarterbacks.

00:14:31.000 They're all good trad archers because they kind of have that hand-eye, spatial, they know the curve.

00:14:36.000 Memory.

00:14:37.000 Yeah, but you've got to be on that.

00:14:39.000 My buddy got into it, Brandon Lilly, powerlifter.

00:14:42.000 He got into it and all he hunted with for a couple of years was trad.

00:14:46.000 That cat went to Argentina and Africa just nuts in the sack.

00:14:50.000 He's like, no, I'm going to trad bow.

00:14:51.000 I'm like...

00:14:53.000 Okay, man.

00:14:54.000 I'm always like, do you hate accuracy?

00:14:56.000 No, he got it done, but holy cow.

00:14:59.000 I know, but there's something about dialing it in to like 47 yards, drawing back and centering your pin, and just watching that shot break and watch that arrow go exact.

00:15:12.000 Exactly where you want it to go.

00:15:14.000 And swop! 1.00

00:15:15.000 And hit those ribs. 0.98

00:15:16.000 Just the dopamine button of all time.

00:15:19.000 It's the greatest.

00:15:20.000 It is.

00:15:21.000 Can you see the arrow?

00:15:23.000 Does it slow down when you shoot at animals like it does for me?

00:15:25.000 It looks like there's no way this arrow is ever going to get to...

00:15:29.000 It's like everything in my brain...

00:15:31.000 It's like that book, The Rise of Superman, when you go in a flow state.

00:15:33.000 And everything speeds up in your brain.

00:15:35.000 So actually...

00:15:39.000 The perception all lengthens out.

00:15:43.000 They say your brain actually starts firing three times faster, the little pictures.

00:15:47.000 So that's why it slows down.

00:15:49.000 This morning, I watched that arrow just right-handed turn.

00:15:53.000 I'm like, that deer's going to move.

00:15:55.000 And it was only 27 yards, but I'm watching it to 27. Oh, that's interesting.

00:15:59.000 But when I'm shooting targets, I'm just like, eh, whatever.

00:16:01.000 I don't seem to think that.

00:16:03.000 No.

00:16:04.000 Really?

00:16:04.000 No.

00:16:05.000 I always think it takes forever to get to the animal.

00:16:08.000 No.

00:16:10.000 I'm trying to think, when do things slow down for me?

00:16:14.000 No.

00:16:15.000 Jiu-jitsu?

00:16:16.000 No.

00:16:17.000 Jiu-jitsu, when you're really in a good state, it's almost like you're not thinking.

00:16:23.000 It's like all of a sudden you have an arm bar.

00:16:25.000 So it is a flow state.

00:16:27.000 Yeah, it's a complete flow state.

00:16:28.000 But it's a flow state that's established after thousands of hours of drilling.

00:16:36.000 And that's the most important thing in jujitsu, really, is drilling.

00:16:40.000 Everybody loves to roll because it's so fun.

00:16:43.000 Sure.

00:16:43.000 You know, because it's like you're playing a video game.

00:16:45.000 You're trying to kill each other.

00:16:46.000 But the really important thing is drilling.

00:16:49.000 And drilling with, like, a certain amount of rigor, like a certain amount of speed and intensity.

00:16:55.000 You know, you're not trying to hurt each other, but you're drilling with, like, intention so that your body is completely...

00:17:04.000 Accustomed to these movements like your your body recognizes these movements and like you slap that elbow Grab that armpit get that arm drag and you get the choke It's almost like it happens before you even know it's happening because your brain is so Just it's just wired in there.

00:17:25.000 You're you're you're Your whole nervous system knows exactly what to do.

00:17:29.000 It's like a cascading effect, like an if-then kind of deal.

00:17:32.000 Now, is that super slow drilling and then you just go to speed?

00:17:36.000 No.

00:17:37.000 No, I think the correct way to drill is you drill with a little resistance from your partner.

00:17:43.000 Like, you don't want to put your partner to go limp on you.

00:17:46.000 Sure.

00:17:46.000 But just a slight amount of, like you have good partners, a slight amount of resistance, but then go through those motions with like a little bit of speed, but not like full blast.

00:17:56.000 Sure.

00:17:57.000 But the whole idea is just get those numbers in.

00:17:59.000 Bam, bam, bam.

00:18:01.000 Eddie Bravo has the best explanation for this.

00:18:04.000 He says, you know when you tie your shoe, you don't think about tying your shoe.

00:18:08.000 You just go, bing, and your shoe just ties. 1.00

00:18:11.000 Because you tie your shoes every fucking day. 1.00

00:18:14.000 You know exactly how to tie your shoes. 1.00

00:18:15.000 Once you learn how to tie your shoes, it's bing.

00:18:18.000 He goes, that's what a jujitsu move is.

00:18:20.000 It just gets in there.

00:18:22.000 And sometimes you don't know what's happening until it's happened.

00:18:25.000 All of a sudden you have a triangle.

00:18:26.000 Like, whoa.

00:18:27.000 That was helpful.

00:18:28.000 Yeah, it's just you've done it so many times that when someone overextends or when someone gives up their neck, it just cinches up.

00:18:36.000 It's just one of those things where your whole nervous system is just pre-programmed to these very specific movements.

00:18:44.000 Yeah, so you've taken all these little closed skills, which are replicatable, and then put them in an open format where, like the if-then scenario, like the flowchart just goes, boom, go, go, go, go, no, go.

00:18:54.000 And the best guys are the guys that drill constantly and then also study and take notes.

00:19:02.000 Like Gordon Ryan, that's his belt up there.

00:19:04.000 Oh, that's dope. 0.94

00:19:05.000 Gordon trains 365 days a year.

00:19:07.000 365 days a year.

00:19:11.000 And he doesn't take any days off. 0.98

00:19:13.000 He trains all fucking day long. 0.98

00:19:15.000 So if you want to beat him, good luck. 0.99

00:19:19.000 Because you have to catch those numbers.

00:19:21.000 You have to bypass those numbers somehow.

00:19:24.000 It's not like he's not...

00:19:25.000 It's not like he's not intelligent.

00:19:27.000 It's not like he's not physically strong.

00:19:28.000 So he's got all those attributes already.

00:19:30.000 And then you have this insane work ethic along with dedication to technique.

00:19:36.000 Yes.

00:19:37.000 And you'd have years or decades to catch up.

00:19:40.000 Exactly.

00:19:41.000 And you just can't.

00:19:41.000 And so there's too many guys in jujitsu that were just like big muscle heads that would just like muscle a move and just give a lot of grunt.

00:19:50.000 And you're never going to beat a technique guy who's just as strong as you.

00:19:55.000 Right.

00:19:55.000 That uses less percentage of their power and everything to get the same job done.

00:19:59.000 Also knows exactly where to be.

00:20:01.000 You might not know exactly where to be because you've gotten away with a lot of stuff because you're big.

00:20:06.000 Because you're big and you're strong and you've pushed through stuff.

00:20:09.000 Like big guys on their back.

00:20:11.000 There's a lot of big guys.

00:20:12.000 They get on their back and they become turtles.

00:20:14.000 They don't know what to do because they never get put on their back.

00:20:17.000 Because if they're training...

00:20:19.000 If you're a guy who's 250 pounds and you're in a normal jiu-jitsu gym...

00:20:23.000 What are the odds there's another 250-pound guy there?

00:20:26.000 Most guys are 190, 200, maybe there's a 210. There's not a lot of really big guys.

00:20:32.000 But a 6'3", 250, this ain't happening.

00:20:33.000 It's rare.

00:20:34.000 It's rare.

00:20:35.000 So you usually can push these guys onto their back, and that's easier to do.

00:20:39.000 So you probably do that more often, and you like smashing people, so you smash all these people.

00:20:44.000 But the problem is then you never develop a bottom game.

00:20:46.000 You never develop a guard.

00:20:48.000 You never develop ability to get out from under a big guy and do it technically.

00:20:52.000 Get that underhook.

00:20:54.000 Work for a deep half.

00:20:57.000 Figure a way to get back up to your feet.

00:20:59.000 You're just always used to overpowering people. 1.00

00:21:02.000 And then when someone's bigger than you, you're fucked. 1.00

00:21:04.000 Way. 1.00

00:21:05.000 You're fucked. 1.00

00:21:06.000 So were you always... 1.00

00:21:09.000 I was always strong, but I didn't really start lifting weights until I got into jiu-jitsu.

00:21:14.000 I mean, I always lifted a little bit of weights.

00:21:16.000 I always worked out a little bit, but I was more into kickboxing than anything.

00:21:19.000 But when I started doing jiu-jitsu, I was like, oh, being strong is like a big advantage.

00:21:23.000 It's a huge advantage.

00:21:25.000 Yeah.

00:21:25.000 Which is interesting because I was watching this video where these guys were talking about this, these wrestlers, and they were saying that wrestling has always acknowledged that power is really important.

00:21:34.000 But for some reason, jujitsu, they would like to pretend that it's not important, that technique is everything.

00:21:39.000 Was it cultural from where it was?

00:21:41.000 Like with the Gracies? 0.99

00:21:44.000 I think technique is more important, right?

00:21:48.000 Because if a guy doesn't have technique and he has strength and you have technique, you can beat him.

00:21:52.000 But you can't discount really effing strong.

00:21:54.000 Right. 0.93

00:21:54.000 But you also can't discount a guy who's really fucking strong with technique. 0.93

00:21:59.000 And they're not mutually exclusive. 0.91

00:22:01.000 No. 0.93

00:22:01.000 Like a lot of guys who are really fucking strong also know how to grapple. 0.93

00:22:05.000 And that's a giant problem. 0.91

00:22:07.000 Now, is there, like in the throws world, we always talk about like technique, speed is everything.

00:22:11.000 Explain to people what you're talking about when you say throws world.

00:22:13.000 Like, yeah, so I'm one of those nerdy guys that pick the sport that's like the least paying sport of all time.

00:22:20.000 I was a hammer thrower.

00:22:21.000 So it's like a shot put, steel ball, 16-pound steel ball on a one-meter, three-foot-long wire.

00:22:27.000 So what you see on the Olympics, they spin around really, really fast and yell and scream and always make the highlight reels of guys that scream.

00:22:33.000 Where did that come from?

00:22:34.000 Was that a weapon at one point in time?

00:22:35.000 Yeah.

00:22:35.000 So they actually, in Scotland, they would use it.

00:22:39.000 It was a hammer they would literally have for agrarian society, and they have a cylindrical head on it so they could use it every side. 0.82

00:22:46.000 And so that became a A way to train for battle because the Scottish weren't allowed to have weapons.

00:22:54.000 Yeah, so they would start throwing stones.

00:22:56.000 After the Braveheart days?

00:22:57.000 Yeah, during those days.

00:22:59.000 So they weren't supposed to have weapons.

00:23:00.000 So they're like, F this.

00:23:01.000 We're just going to take all the stuff we have and stay strong, stay ready.

00:23:05.000 And then actually their stone was called the Clacknart, which meant stone of strength.

00:23:10.000 What a great name.

00:23:11.000 Wonderful name.

00:23:12.000 That's a Viking name if I ever heard one.

00:23:14.000 Tell me how badass this is.

00:23:16.000 So like each family, like the Rogan family, like you're the patriarch, right?

00:23:19.000 You'd have your Clacknart up on the...

00:23:21.000 Mantle, or whatever it is.

00:23:23.000 So at your family outings, whatever outings those may be, all the men, very much like in Braveheart, they would go and throw it.

00:23:30.000 The guy who throws the clacknark, the family stone the furthest, is kind of like the dude. 0.83

00:23:35.000 He's like, all right, all right, you, now my son has surpassed me.

00:23:38.000 He's shown he's a man now.

00:23:40.000 Here's the wildest part.

00:23:41.000 This gives me chills.

00:23:43.000 So if they went off to battle, they would take their clacknark, their stone, and on the way out of town, they would all put it in a pile.

00:23:51.000 And they're called a cairn or a carn.

00:23:53.000 So they would put in a pile.

00:23:55.000 So if they did not return to battle, they had placed their own monument to their town of their sacrifice.

00:24:00.000 Whoa.

00:24:01.000 So could you imagine?

00:24:02.000 So when you go past these old towns and there's a pile, you're like, a lot of guys didn't come home.

00:24:07.000 And those piles are still there?

00:24:09.000 When I was in Scotland, they did say a lot of them are still there.

00:24:11.000 I was competing when I did Highland Games, Scottish Highland Games.

00:24:14.000 And it's wild!

00:24:15.000 So like, you think about it, you're like, man, you're literally kind of placing your family's stone of like, I'm going off, and if I don't show up, like...

00:24:24.000 Dude, I was in Scotland last year, and there was...

00:24:28.000 What part of Scotland are you in?

00:24:30.000 God, I wish I could remember.

00:24:33.000 I'm not exactly...

00:24:34.000 Up in the Highlands, like all the rural stuff?

00:24:36.000 Aberdeen?

00:24:37.000 I went with some friends, and they took us to this place that my friend owns a property out there.

00:24:42.000 Naturally.

00:24:42.000 And when we went there, there was a stone circle that is way older than Stonehenge.

00:24:51.000 Nowhere.

00:24:52.000 Yeah, and it's just sitting there.

00:24:54.000 A lot of stuff in Scotland's just sitting there.

00:24:56.000 It's just sitting there in front of this dude's house, and you can go and stand on it.

00:24:59.000 I was like, this is crazy, and it's got like a little monument on it, but no one's stopping you from like walking around on it.

00:25:04.000 And they're not big stones, they're like small stones, but this stone, they're like, I'm like, who made this?

00:25:09.000 I was asking the guy that we were with, he's pretty knowledgeable, and he's like, no one knows.

00:25:12.000 Wow.

00:25:12.000 It's just left laying around.

00:25:15.000 Yeah, so like Scotland, there you go.

00:25:17.000 Is that it?

00:25:18.000 No, that's not it, but...

00:25:19.000 It's kind of like that.

00:25:20.000 It wasn't nearly as high.

00:25:22.000 They were smaller standing stones.

00:25:24.000 And there's a bunch of them laying around.

00:25:27.000 There's a guide stone on the ground.

00:25:28.000 How old is that?

00:25:29.000 That's probably thousands of years old.

00:25:31.000 But nobody knows.

00:25:33.000 They don't know who made the stone, who put it there.

00:25:36.000 It's just a guide stone.

00:25:38.000 So if you were on a trail through the Scottish Highlands, you'd find these rocks.

00:25:42.000 We're on the right place, lad. 0.99

00:25:44.000 And there's this fucking stone that's been there for 3,000 years or whatever. 0.99

00:25:48.000 Like, they don't even know how old it is. 0.99

00:25:50.000 And it's just sitting there.

00:25:51.000 Isn't that so cool, though?

00:25:52.000 But it's a crazy thing.

00:25:53.000 It was, like, across the street from this guy's house.

00:25:55.000 So he's got, like, this normal house, and there's a little street.

00:25:58.000 And then across the street from his house, there's this stone circle that's, like, who knows how fucking old.

00:26:05.000 Nope, it's not that either.

00:26:07.000 Yeah, they have like the other stones of strength there, the Inverstone.

00:26:10.000 They have a few of them that are older than Stonehenge in Scotland because all three of these I pulled up. 0.99

00:26:13.000 God damn. 0.99

00:26:14.000 Maybe you're just really high. 1.00

00:26:16.000 Maybe you're in actually England.

00:26:17.000 Oh, I was totally sober.

00:26:18.000 Look at that image right there.

00:26:20.000 How weird is that one?

00:26:21.000 So cool.

00:26:22.000 The Ring of Brodger.

00:26:24.000 How do you say that?

00:26:25.000 They have some sweet names over there, too.

00:26:27.000 Brodger.

00:26:27.000 The Ring of Brodger.

00:26:29.000 Like, what did they do in that ring?

00:26:30.000 How many goats died in that ring?

00:26:32.000 A lot of fights. 1.00

00:26:33.000 How many fucking people got sacrificed in that ring? 0.99

00:26:35.000 I mean, thousands and thousands of years ago. 1.00

00:26:39.000 It's so cool.

00:26:40.000 The stones over there, like, a lot of people go over, a lot of strongmen, they'll do, like, the stone tour.

00:26:44.000 So they'll lift all the, they'll lift the Denny Stones and the Inverse Stone. 0.56

00:26:48.000 And the Inverse Stone, I lift that, that was in an old lady's garden. 1.00

00:26:52.000 Right?

00:26:52.000 There's like a stone lifting core?

00:26:54.000 Yeah, it's like a 265 pound big egg stone.

00:26:58.000 It's just laying around?

00:26:59.000 It's literally in this lady's garden.

00:27:01.000 It's called the Inverstone.

00:27:02.000 And people go there?

00:27:02.000 People go there.

00:27:03.000 Ma'am, can I go lift your rock? 0.90

00:27:05.000 So it's 100% what happens.

00:27:06.000 Really?

00:27:07.000 We were over there competing, the U.S. team.

00:27:09.000 We were over there and all the Highland Game guys were like, let's go check this out.

00:27:12.000 We all lifted it.

00:27:13.000 And she invited us in for tea.

00:27:14.000 She's like, well, come and sign the book. 0.91

00:27:17.000 And you look in the book, it's like, Bill Kazmaier was here.

00:27:20.000 So-and-so was here.

00:27:20.000 We were like, oh my gosh, like the greatest strongman in the world had come as a pilgrimage to lift this stone.

00:27:25.000 And then they signed the book.

00:27:26.000 And you're like, this is awesome.

00:27:28.000 And then across the street.

00:27:29.000 There it is.

00:27:30.000 Yeah.

00:27:31.000 How do you say that word?

00:27:32.000 We call it the Inverstone.

00:27:35.000 Invercalled.

00:27:36.000 Invercalled stone.

00:27:37.000 It seems like it's almost been, like, honed.

00:27:42.000 Doesn't it seem like it was polished to that size?

00:27:44.000 Yeah, chipped.

00:27:44.000 There you go.

00:27:45.000 That one's outside.

00:27:45.000 Oh, that one actually has numbers on it.

00:27:47.000 Yeah, that's the one I lifted.

00:27:48.000 It says 265 pounds, is that what it says?

00:27:51.000 Yeah.

00:27:52.000 And so we lifted it.

00:27:53.000 And then, actually, so what happened...

00:27:55.000 After, back in the 80s, when Kazmaier was coming on the scene, you know, Bill Kazmaier, obviously, World's Strongest Man, kind of started the stage.

00:28:02.000 He allegedly picked it up, you know, it was the man thing, if he could pick it up, he picked it up and carried it across the street and bellied it up to the bar and laid it onto the bar and had a beer.

00:28:10.000 Jesus.

00:28:11.000 I would be mad if that was my bar.

00:28:12.000 Right? 0.97

00:28:12.000 Oh, he chipped the crap out of the bar. 0.97

00:28:14.000 He did. 0.80

00:28:14.000 I was up there. 0.80

00:28:15.000 I was like, man, that's where Bill chipped it.

00:28:16.000 This is badass.

00:28:17.000 He's not a historian.

00:28:18.000 I like that stuff.

00:28:19.000 You're right.

00:28:20.000 So we traveled all around, lifted all the stones.

00:28:21.000 It was cool.

00:28:22.000 But anyway, a thrower is a person who decides to do a sport that doesn't pay a lot.

00:28:26.000 No, I'm just kidding.

00:28:27.000 But it's shot put, discus, hammer, javelin.

00:28:30.000 It was all those original Olympic sports that were all weapons.

00:28:35.000 That would be a good sport if you were a trans woman. 0.99

00:28:38.000 You would dominate. 0.98

00:28:40.000 Regular chicks wouldn't have a chance. 1.00

00:28:42.000 I'm at 48 years old. 0.99

00:28:43.000 I could still throw the living crap out of a woman's implement if I wanted to. 1.00

00:28:48.000 It would be a great move. 0.99

00:28:50.000 But yeah, it was a part of the track and field.

00:28:53.000 I got into it in college, kind of a weird Forrest Gump-like story, and it changed the course of my life.

00:28:57.000 Have you done a lift, run, shoot yet with Cam?

00:29:00.000 I haven't done it with Cam.

00:29:01.000 No, we've played around and done some stuff like that at my farm.

00:29:06.000 You should do his podcast, the lift, run, shoot show.

00:29:09.000 That'd be great. 0.99

00:29:10.000 It makes you carry a rock up the fucking mountain. 1.00

00:29:12.000 I went up Pisgah with him. 0.99

00:29:13.000 I haven't carried the rock, but I'm sure you've done Pisgah. 0.82

00:29:17.000 It's like the cam rock.

00:29:17.000 I haven't done Pisgah.

00:29:19.000 I'm not doing that. 1.00

00:29:20.000 Fuck out of here. 1.00

00:29:21.000 That was rough. 1.00

00:29:22.000 Yeah.

00:29:22.000 That was rough.

00:29:23.000 I started running.

00:29:23.000 I'm not a big cardio guy.

00:29:24.000 I shouldn't go anywhere where that guy's running.

00:29:27.000 Dude, he is as advertised as a badass. 1.00

00:29:32.000 Oh, he's a complete psychopath. 1.00

00:29:33.000 Legit. 1.00

00:29:33.000 He's one of my best friends. 1.00

00:29:34.000 He's a complete psychopath.

00:29:37.000 We all got running and then he kind of left me and then he got to the top and then did his dance and then he came back down and like, hey man. 0.93

00:29:44.000 It was very remarkable.

00:29:47.000 He goes, alright, why do I do this all the time?

00:29:50.000 He goes, if we crested this corner right now and you saw the biggest bull of your life at 70 yards, could you make this shot?

00:29:56.000 I'm like, bro, I'm looking at my ear hole right now. 0.98

00:29:58.000 I'm screwed. 0.92

00:29:59.000 He goes, that's why I do this every day. 0.98

00:30:01.000 I'm like...

00:30:02.000 I'm tracking.

00:30:03.000 He's also addicted to exercise.

00:30:06.000 He's addicted to cardio.

00:30:07.000 Yeah, me not so much.

00:30:09.000 I think there's a state of mind that a lot of those distance runners get in that they get really, really addicted to.

00:30:15.000 And there's a runner's high.

00:30:17.000 Have you experienced that?

00:30:18.000 Oh yeah, for sure.

00:30:19.000 Yeah, long cardio sessions.

00:30:20.000 Yeah.

00:30:21.000 I never have.

00:30:22.000 I've tried it and then I just either get bored or mad at cardio.

00:30:24.000 Then I go and lift weights and throw things.

00:30:26.000 Well, you've got like that power strength throwing background.

00:30:30.000 You know, it's like it doesn't really benefit you to be really into cardio.

00:30:34.000 Yeah.

00:30:35.000 It actually probably would diminish some of your strength.

00:30:37.000 Like heavily.

00:30:37.000 Yeah.

00:30:37.000 Greg Glassman back in 07 when I was throwing Highland Games, he was like, you got to do cardio or do CrossFit.

00:30:43.000 And I was like, why?

00:30:45.000 And he was like, no, it'll help your throwing.

00:30:47.000 Oh, the CrossFit guy?

00:30:48.000 That doesn't look like it works out at all?

00:30:50.000 That's the one.

00:30:51.000 Yeah.

00:30:52.000 I'm not taking advice from you, buddy.

00:30:53.000 Well, I was sitting there and I was like, I'm 265 pounds.

00:30:56.000 He's like, you should do CrossFit.

00:30:57.000 And I'm like, I'm trying to be the best thrower in the world and that has nothing to do with...

00:31:01.000 Any of this other stuff.

00:31:02.000 Yeah, I have a golden rule when it comes to taking advice. 1.00

00:31:05.000 I don't take advice from anybody who looks like shit. 1.00

00:31:08.000 That's sound. 1.00

00:31:09.000 That's sound advice. 1.00

00:31:12.000 If you look like shit, I'm not taking advice. 1.00

00:31:14.000 I know you had like some physical problems, right? 1.00

00:31:16.000 Yeah.

00:31:17.000 Something's wrong with them or something.

00:31:18.000 But the bottom line is unknown and unknowable was not my sport.

00:31:21.000 My sport was extremely known and extremely knowable.

00:31:23.000 I know the Olympic trials are on this day and I need to show up really far.

00:31:26.000 And also, if you want to be a power lifter or if you want to do some just completely power-focused exercise, it does not benefit you to spend time getting in, like, extreme cardiovascular shape like you do need to do what kind of running the cam does.

00:31:41.000 Yeah, and it's not even not beneficial.

00:31:44.000 It's detrimental.

00:31:44.000 I mean, we would joke, like, why?

00:31:47.000 Run when you could walk?

00:31:48.000 Why walk when you could sit down?

00:31:50.000 And why sit down when you could lay down?

00:31:51.000 Like, as throwers, that's what we would do.

00:31:54.000 And we would lay down every chance and eat every chance you get.

00:31:56.000 And then we're like, I'm going to stand up and do something really hard and fast for three seconds.

00:32:00.000 And then I'm going to go rest for a while.

00:32:02.000 Call me when I'm back up.

00:32:04.000 Yeah, I mean, there's different things of different requirements.

00:32:07.000 But if you want to be a mountain elk hunter, what he does is very beneficial.

00:32:12.000 I just can't run.

00:32:13.000 I have a bad left knee that's really bothered me the last few years.

00:32:17.000 And I just twisted it again this September.

00:32:20.000 Yeah, you were saying your sciatica was a little tweaked there.

00:32:22.000 That was another problem.

00:32:23.000 That was from overuse of... 1.00

00:32:26.000 No, it's just being stupid. 1.00

00:32:27.000 That's overuse of archery. 1.00

00:32:30.000 What?

00:32:31.000 Yeah, because I have two bows.

00:32:34.000 I have a bow that's 84 pounds and a bow that's 90 pounds.

00:32:36.000 So I'm pulling these 90-pound bows 100 times a day?

00:32:42.000 Are you shooting that many times a day?

00:32:43.000 Oh, yeah. 0.85

00:32:44.000 Good for you.

00:32:45.000 Oh, yeah.

00:32:45.000 Oh, you have to.

00:32:47.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:32:47.000 For that moment when like a fucking giant bull walks in between the trees and you have a 70-yard shot, you have to 100% be confident that you can make that shot. 0.99

00:32:59.000 And so I'm shooting at 84 yards over and over. 0.99

00:33:02.000 Over and over and over.

00:33:05.000 I'm obsessive, but the problem was I developed like tendonitis in my lower back.

00:33:10.000 So it's overuse from the stabilizing, from like holding yourself.

00:33:14.000 So it's the pulling, I'm sure that's it, but it's also holding it right there in that position and it's all in my right lower back.

00:33:23.000 But it's much, much better now.

00:33:24.000 I started doing this thing called New Fit.

00:33:27.000 Okay.

00:33:27.000 Talked about it the other day with Derek.

00:33:29.000 Where they're doing electrical muscular stimulation while you go through exercises.

00:33:34.000 It's really helpful.

00:33:35.000 Really?

00:33:35.000 Yeah, it's been three weeks.

00:33:36.000 It's like a microcurrent or more like a...

00:33:38.000 It juices you up.

00:33:39.000 Like it's...

00:33:40.000 All the muscles contract.

00:33:42.000 Like stem kind of thing.

00:33:43.000 Yeah, but it's very strong.

00:33:45.000 So this is, and you can crank up the intensity. 0.99

00:33:48.000 So this is some of the shit, like you saw Mike Tyson when he was training for Jake Paul, he was doing that. 0.99

00:33:54.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:33:55.000 What I think it's really good for, I don't know if it's good for a lot of these things, but it's really good for rehabilitation.

00:34:01.000 For rehabilitation, I think there's tremendous benefits to it.

00:34:05.000 And I bet there's some benefits for athletes for working on specific things and doing it while you're getting juiced up.

00:34:12.000 Sure.

00:34:12.000 Man, for me, it's helped me quite a bit.

00:34:16.000 Pretty quickly, too, like three weeks later.

00:34:18.000 Was it on that specific spot, or are they firing something else to balance it out?

00:34:22.000 No, they're firing a lot of different parts of your back.

00:34:24.000 So it's like both sides of my back, my obliques, my core. 0.93

00:34:28.000 And just going through a bunch of rotational exercises and a bunch of different things to strengthen lower back and just you know you're getting a lot of blood flow through there and stretching it and it's it just was I was getting pain and I was like shut up pussy and I would just ignore the pain and then it just got bad yeah it got bad to the point where my hips were getting kind of numb and when I was hiking up hills like in October when I was hunting in October it was bothering me a lot I was like okay I've got to really do something about yeah because you could be you know Talk yourself in or out of something really hard, 0.68

00:34:58.000 but if it's something that's just going to be chronic, you're like, well, I'm screwing myself.

00:35:01.000 I was turning it chronic, but it's a lot better now.

00:35:04.000 Good.

00:35:04.000 It's a lot better now, and it's only been three weeks.

00:35:07.000 Oh, that's great.

00:35:07.000 Yeah.

00:35:08.000 My knee is still fucked, but not totally. 0.99

00:35:10.000 What's the knee from? 0.99

00:35:11.000 It's mostly soft tissue.

00:35:13.000 I twisted it.

00:35:14.000 I twisted it crossing slippery ground in September.

00:35:20.000 And I've had a lot of problems with it.

00:35:23.000 I've had two knee surgeries.

00:35:25.000 I had my ACL reconstructed.

00:35:27.000 I had a meniscus piece removed.

00:35:30.000 And then when I was skiing, the last time I skied, last and final time I ever skied, this lady didn't know how to ski. 1.00

00:35:38.000 She like slid into the trail and I had to try to not wipe out, not hit her rather.

00:35:43.000 And I wiped out and I got what's called the insufficiency fracture.

00:35:48.000 So the bone fractured at the top of my shin, my fibula, or my tibia rather, right where the cartilage is.

00:35:57.000 Really?

00:35:58.000 Yeah, that created quite a bit of pain.

00:36:00.000 And then I twisted it again one time when I was about to get on stage.

00:36:04.000 It's a hard one to play on.

00:36:05.000 At Stubbs, I was going to Stubbs, which is like this outside concert venue, and I was looking at my phone to turn my voice recorder on so I could record.

00:36:14.000 And as I was doing that, I twisted my knee on this concrete step, just yanked the shit out of it to the point where my leg was shaking while I was on stage because I was in pain.

00:36:23.000 It looked like I was super nervous, but it was really just pain.

00:36:27.000 I think at this point you get super nervous on stage when you're talking.

00:36:30.000 No, once I'm up there, I'm not nervous at all.

00:36:32.000 Do you still get nervous beforehand?

00:36:33.000 I get excited.

00:36:34.000 I think anything you do that you really care about, you should get excited.

00:36:39.000 I used to call it my national leg when I would go to national championships in the Hammer.

00:36:43.000 All year, I'd be fine.

00:36:44.000 And when I would wind the hammer on the first one, when I took the hammer back, my right leg would bounce.

00:36:49.000 And I'm like, ah, there it is.

00:36:51.000 It was one throw a year, and I was like, here we go.

00:36:53.000 We're back.

00:36:54.000 They just had adrenaline.

00:36:55.000 Oh, it was adrenaline.

00:36:57.000 Physically, you're peaking for it.

00:36:59.000 You're like, this is the day I have to compete.

00:37:01.000 You remember how it was.

00:37:02.000 But you're like, this is the day.

00:37:03.000 And everything else is kind of work.

00:37:05.000 And then you're like, I'm cashing out today.

00:37:07.000 I get to cash out today.

00:37:09.000 And then it's like, oh, that's the best.

00:37:13.000 Doing exciting things is really fun.

00:37:16.000 And it's so important for you to grow as a human.

00:37:19.000 Do something that scares the shit out of you.

00:37:21.000 Do something that excites you.

00:37:22.000 Do something that's difficult.

00:37:24.000 Yes!

00:37:25.000 Yeah, and it's almost, I don't know, sometimes it's good when it's more dynamic where you don't know when it's going to happen, but looking forward to something is pretty badass, too, because then you can start focusing training and focusing efforts and then going through almost stages of guilt, but stages of excitement.

00:37:39.000 And you're like, okay, am I excited?

00:37:41.000 No, I got this one.

00:37:42.000 I don't just go back and forth.

00:37:43.000 Let's go.

00:37:44.000 It's live.

00:37:45.000 Yeah, that's what it is with everything.

00:37:47.000 I mean I think it's these processes of like recognizing there's a goal, working towards it, solving problems, working hard, pushing yourself through discipline.

00:37:57.000 That's how you grow.

00:37:58.000 And it's like that's how everything grows, right?

00:38:00.000 This is how your mind grows.

00:38:01.000 This is how your body grows.

00:38:03.000 This is how your life grows.

00:38:04.000 Like you have to do stuff that's hard and then you get better at doing stuff that's hard and that's how you get better.

00:38:10.000 Yeah, and then you level up, and you're in this next wilderness.

00:38:13.000 You're like, all right, well, what's the next thing?

00:38:14.000 But when that alarm clock goes off, it's so hard to know that.

00:38:17.000 You know all these things, but the force of the bed, the gravity of that warm bed.

00:38:24.000 Oh, it's cold in the room.

00:38:26.000 Oh! 0.60

00:38:27.000 Especially, like, shout out to people who live in, like, Alaska.

00:38:30.000 Oh! 0.60

00:38:30.000 And they have to get out of bed? 0.60

00:38:31.000 Dude. 1.00

00:38:32.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:38:33.000 I'm sure you've done some hunts where you're in a tent or something. 1.00

00:38:36.000 Oh, yeah.

00:38:37.000 And then you're like, I know I really want to get out there, but oh my...

00:38:40.000 You're like, my boots are frozen.

00:38:44.000 And I'm like, maybe that bull will just kind of walk more this way.

00:38:47.000 First hunt I ever did was with Steve Rinell in Montana.

00:38:49.000 Oh, yeah.

00:38:50.000 I remember seeing that.

00:38:51.000 It was nine degrees.

00:38:52.000 Nine degrees in the morning.

00:38:54.000 We're just like, gee.

00:38:54.000 Jesus Christ, this is so cold!

00:38:57.000 That was the hunt that started it all for you, wasn't it?

00:38:59.000 Yes.

00:39:00.000 Little forky kind of buck from what I remember?

00:39:02.000 That's him right there.

00:39:02.000 No, okay.

00:39:03.000 That's the buck.

00:39:03.000 Oh, no way.

00:39:04.000 Yeah, that's the first buck I ever shot.

00:39:07.000 That's awesome.

00:39:08.000 That's him.

00:39:08.000 Yeah.

00:39:09.000 The buck that launched a thousand hunting careers.

00:39:14.000 Well, it was a life-changing experience.

00:39:17.000 But, you know, one of those things where, you know, you realize, like, wow, where would we be without houses?

00:39:23.000 And it was only, by the way, it was only, I think, October.

00:39:28.000 It was October of 2012. I'm pretty sure it was October.

00:39:31.000 And it was already 90 degrees in Montana. 0.99

00:39:33.000 Like, what was it like in February for these poor fucks? 0.99

00:39:37.000 What's January like in the morning? 1.00

00:39:38.000 And you're in a tent? 1.00

00:39:40.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:39:41.000 Well, it's like Josh Smith up there at MKC has talked about it. 1.00

00:39:44.000 He's like, yeah, everyone loves Yellowstone.

00:39:45.000 Y'all about to find out in February.

00:39:47.000 He's like, everyone wants to move here.

00:39:49.000 He goes, stick around.

00:39:50.000 It's going to get live here in about January or February.

00:39:53.000 How many people got super confused by that show and bought a house there and they're like, what is this?

00:39:58.000 Why is the ground solid?

00:40:01.000 Exactly.

00:40:02.000 Oh, I love it.

00:40:03.000 He's like, this is fantastic.

00:40:04.000 Especially someone who's never lived in the real north before.

00:40:07.000 You don't know what happens when your ground freezes.

00:40:10.000 The ground is a piece of rock.

00:40:12.000 So if you fall on it, it's a rock.

00:40:15.000 Everything freezes, yeah.

00:40:16.000 That's a whole different animal.

00:40:19.000 It's a different way to live, that's for sure.

00:40:21.000 But, you know, I was talking with this gentleman yesterday, Rick Strassman, who's a scientist.

00:40:29.000 But we were talking about the time where he was living in Alaska, and he was living in Alaska, and he lived in Southern California, and then he moved to Fairbanks, where it's 39 degrees below zero.

00:40:41.000 And he's like, what the hell?

00:40:42.000 And then it's dark for like 10 hours.

00:40:45.000 Everyone's depressed.

00:40:47.000 We're not dark for 10 hours, rather.

00:40:49.000 It's only light for four hours.

00:40:51.000 It's light for four hours.

00:40:52.000 So it's dark for 20 hours.

00:40:55.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:40:56.000 Fuck that. 1.00

00:40:57.000 You've been to Alaska a lot, I would think. 1.00

00:40:59.000 You like it?

00:41:00.000 I like the people up there.

00:41:01.000 They're hardy.

00:41:03.000 That's a good way to put it.

00:41:04.000 They're a different kind of human.

00:41:05.000 Yeah.

00:41:06.000 Battle tested.

00:41:07.000 They are.

00:41:08.000 And everyone wears extra tough boots. 1.00

00:41:11.000 Yeah, you don't want to get caught outside with some fucking bullshit flip-flops. 0.99

00:41:14.000 Yeah, and if your boots are too clean, you'll get made fun of openly. 1.00

00:41:17.000 They're like, hey, nice new extra toughs.

00:41:19.000 You know, you're friends with Tyler from Archer Country.

00:41:21.000 Tyler's always walking around everywhere with flip-flops.

00:41:24.000 Bro, that guy hunted yesterday in shorts.

00:41:25.000 Yeah.

00:41:27.000 Yeah.

00:41:27.000 Yeah, he's a different kind of dude.

00:41:28.000 He killed a deer in shorts.

00:41:29.000 If you're in Alaska and you have flip-flops, you're going to die.

00:41:32.000 Your feet are going to freeze off.

00:41:34.000 You're going to have no feet.

00:41:35.000 Yeah.

00:41:35.000 Like you need boots.

00:41:37.000 I was out at a bar out there.

00:41:38.000 We were in Homer, Alaska, and we were playing pool and jacking around.

00:41:41.000 Where's Homer?

00:41:42.000 Homer is, they have this big spit that comes out.

00:41:45.000 I don't know.

00:41:46.000 It's in Alaska somewhere.

00:41:47.000 How far up is it?

00:41:51.000 Far?

00:41:51.000 It's all far.

00:41:52.000 Alaska's big, man.

00:41:53.000 I don't know.

00:41:53.000 When you see how big it is and you lay it over the country.

00:41:56.000 Jamie, where's Homer?

00:41:57.000 How much we stole from the Russians. 0.91

00:42:00.000 Of course you'd have that.

00:42:01.000 There it is. 0.99

00:42:04.000 Goddamn Alaska's big. 0.99

00:42:05.000 It's so cool, isn't it? 0.99

00:42:07.000 So we were on that big spit.

00:42:08.000 So we were on that bay, which is crazy.

00:42:12.000 And yeah, so we were down there.

00:42:14.000 And we were at a bar goofing around.

00:42:17.000 And I remember I walked into the bathroom and I was like, I just kind of noticed.

00:42:21.000 I was like, wow, there's no mirror on the wall, whatever.

00:42:25.000 I was like, oh, that's kind of interesting.

00:42:26.000 And one of the guys was like...

00:42:27.000 Yeah, there's no mirrors in the bathrooms in Alaska because it doesn't matter what you look like. 0.97

00:42:31.000 You better just be capable or you're going to die.

00:42:33.000 And I was like, what a cool place.

00:42:35.000 He was just like, no one cares what you look like here.

00:42:37.000 Everyone's hair is all froed out and they're dirty and oily and greasy.

00:42:41.000 He's like, yeah, that's the flex here if you can make it.

00:42:45.000 That's interesting.

00:42:45.000 Yeah, I was like, oh, what a cool – but yeah, we were sitting in that bay.

00:42:49.000 Looking across the bay with a pair of spotters and looking at tracks and seeing animals across the bay like 19 miles away.

00:42:58.000 It was crazy on that white snow.

00:42:59.000 It was wild.

00:42:59.000 I never thought you could see that far of a spotting scope.

00:43:01.000 No kidding.

00:43:02.000 How much magnification is money?

00:43:04.000 90. Oh, wow.

00:43:05.000 Yeah, some monsters.

00:43:06.000 But still, it was like, yeah, a big Swaro that you could see, you know, all the Elon stuff up in space with, probably. 0.96

00:43:13.000 Imagine those poor fools that had to hunt with traditional bows, no binos, no spotting scopes, no wind checker, no range finder, no apps.

00:43:23.000 I have apps. 0.99

00:43:24.000 I have everything.

00:43:25.000 I have a range finder that syncs up with my app.

00:43:29.000 Of course you do.

00:43:30.000 I haven't even set it up yet.

00:43:32.000 Do you nerd out on all this stuff like I do?

00:43:33.000 I do.

00:43:34.000 See, here's the problem.

00:43:35.000 I have a Leupold rangefinder.

00:43:37.000 I really like Leupold's full draw.

00:43:39.000 The reason why I like it is because it'll show you the arc of your arrow.

00:43:44.000 This is how nerdy it is, folks.

00:43:46.000 So my arrows go...

00:43:50.000 294 feet per second.

00:43:51.000 Okay.

00:43:52.000 How heavy?

00:43:53.000 These are 475, 475 grains.

00:43:57.000 And you calculate all this stuff.

00:44:00.000 You put all this stuff into the rangefinder.

00:44:03.000 And the rangefinder knows exactly how heavy your arrow is, exactly what the peak of it's going to be as it comes off your bow, how fast it's going, and it gives you a line.

00:44:13.000 So if I'm shooting through a gap in some trees, and I actually did this a couple years ago.

00:44:17.000 Did you?

00:44:18.000 I actually did it when I had a Garmin rangefinder, right?

00:44:22.000 So the Garmin is a range-finding site, which is pretty badass.

00:44:26.000 I've always wanted to play with one of those. 0.98

00:44:27.000 It kept fucking up, though. 0.99

00:44:28.000 And apparently they're getting better, but they fucked me a couple times. 1.00

00:44:33.000 And it would fuck me on my range. 0.99

00:44:34.000 Like, I'd be at full draw on my range, and I know it's 84 yards, and I press the button, and I'm not getting a range. 0.99

00:44:40.000 And I press the button again, and I'm not...

00:44:41.000 So you would press the button, and it would give you a red dot.

00:44:44.000 When it works...

00:44:46.000 It's the greatest thing of all time, because it's like a pistol.

00:44:49.000 Like, you see that red dot, that clear lens, and then that dot?

00:44:53.000 It's the best sight picture of all time.

00:44:56.000 Of all time.

00:44:57.000 Everything else, like the post or the side post, they get a little in the way, just a touch.

00:45:02.000 Not bad.

00:45:03.000 I can deal with it. 0.98

00:45:04.000 But that red dot was fucking amazing. 0.99

00:45:09.000 I'll show you the bull afterwards. 0.93

00:45:11.000 I shot this big bull, and he was coming through this gap, and I wasn't sure if the arrow was going to make it there, so I pulled out the second rangefinder, and I clicked on that, and I got the height of the arrow.

00:45:21.000 I knew I could make it, and then I used the rangefinding sight.

00:45:26.000 A man that knows his tools.

00:45:27.000 The opposite of these guys with their traditional bow.

00:45:30.000 Poink! 0.96

00:45:30.000 Like, you know, I'm using technology. 0.96

00:45:33.000 Sure.

00:45:34.000 So the new loophole, though, the problem is it doesn't have this height thing in it.

00:45:39.000 But the new one, when you range an animal with Onyx Hunt, so you range the animal and it puts a pin down where that animal is.

00:45:47.000 Yeah, I actually had the...

00:45:50.000 I was one of the test subjects for that.

00:45:51.000 They sent me, yeah, probably two years ago I was hunting at Deseret with it, giving them feedback.

00:45:56.000 We found a mule deer the day before, and I ranged him, marked him, and we went back the next day and I shot him at 14 yards.

00:46:03.000 That's crazy.

00:46:03.000 It was awesome.

00:46:04.000 That's crazy because you can go back to the actual spot where he was.

00:46:07.000 Yeah, it threw it off to my phone.

00:46:09.000 And it was like the, I can't remember what it's called.

00:46:11.000 It's the range, but it has like the LF. Something 500. 500, yeah, something like that.

00:46:16.000 See if you can find it, Jamie.

00:46:17.000 It's pretty dope.

00:46:18.000 It's super cool. 1.00

00:46:19.000 I love Leupold's shit. 0.99

00:46:20.000 I just wish their glass was as good as Swarovski's. 1.00

00:46:23.000 Yeah.

00:46:24.000 I say that about everybody.

00:46:25.000 Vortex makes awesome binos.

00:46:27.000 For the money, you can't beat them.

00:46:29.000 Especially their HDX series.

00:46:31.000 Those are really high-end ones. 0.99

00:46:32.000 Those are fucking great. 1.00

00:46:33.000 Until you pick up those NL Pures and you're like, fuck! 1.00

00:46:39.000 It's almost like I wish I'd never looked through them. 1.00

00:46:43.000 That's it.

00:46:44.000 The RX 5000. Yeah, that thing is badass.

00:46:46.000 It's pretty dope.

00:46:47.000 So it does.

00:46:47.000 It syncs up with your Onyx Hunt.

00:46:49.000 So you can show you how it works there.

00:46:52.000 So what's really good about that is not just you know where the animal is, so if you have to go around somewhere and get back to them, you'll be able to get back if you're trying to get away from the wind.

00:47:05.000 Well, the spot and stalk is so nice because we were hunting mule deer in Arizona, and you could Same thing.

00:47:12.000 You're circling around and your depth of perception, I've been 200 yards off.

00:47:18.000 I feel like this is more designed, though, for the rifle hunter.

00:47:24.000 They're even showing guys going 2,000 yards with this thing.

00:47:27.000 I feel like for the bow hunter, they just need to add, maybe they'll just make it too big, but add that height of arrow technology.

00:47:35.000 I don't know why they wouldn't put that in there.

00:47:38.000 Yeah.

00:47:38.000 Because I can't use it.

00:47:39.000 I need that.

00:47:40.000 That is so huge for elk hunting.

00:47:42.000 For me, it's like gaps or everything.

00:47:44.000 I want to be able to be sneaky and just make my way around a tree.

00:47:48.000 Just give me this.

00:47:49.000 Give me this much.

00:47:50.000 And if I know that the arrow's never going to hit the top or the bottom, I'm golden.

00:47:55.000 And I have full confidence. 0.98

00:47:56.000 Because otherwise, it's a mindfuck. 0.98

00:47:58.000 Because I'm sure you've had arrows hit branches before. 0.97

00:48:00.000 Oh, yeah. 0.90

00:48:01.000 It sucks so hard when you... 0.99

00:48:03.000 Boom! 0.99

00:48:04.000 Whack! 1.00

00:48:04.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:48:05.000 Like you're learning in Cleveland somewhere.

00:48:06.000 A few years back in Utah.

00:48:08.000 Here's their one.

00:48:09.000 That one I had pulled up.

00:48:10.000 It had a TBR. It was made for ballistics.

00:48:12.000 Four, I think, this morning.

00:48:13.000 These are all for archery.

00:48:15.000 Yes.

00:48:15.000 Well, the TBR is to the right.

00:48:17.000 Yep.

00:48:18.000 That one is a similar one.

00:48:21.000 That was like...

00:48:23.000 I don't think that's as sophisticated, though, and I don't think that has the app.

00:48:26.000 I think the RX one is the only one in the app, but I have that one, the Full Draw 5. I don't go anywhere without that.

00:48:31.000 It's the shit. 0.99

00:48:32.000 That is, to me, I've had a bunch of different ones that were really cool, like Aaron Schneider turned me on to this Nikon a while back that was image stabilizing. 0.99

00:48:43.000 That was a game-changer.

00:48:44.000 That's a big deal because you could really get it right on the animal.

00:48:49.000 Yeah, image stabilizing range finder.

00:48:51.000 I use image stabilizing binoculars.

00:48:53.000 Have you used those SIG ones?

00:48:55.000 I've used cams.

00:48:56.000 I tried that.

00:48:56.000 Those things.

00:48:57.000 Pretty dope.

00:48:57.000 I'm running 16s.

00:48:59.000 Yeah?

00:49:00.000 Oh, right, because you could just hold them.

00:49:02.000 I've run Swaros since 1999. And I started leaving mine at home because I like the SIG so much.

00:49:10.000 And they did the new HD so it has a better glass.

00:49:13.000 Now, it's still not as clear as Suarez.

00:49:15.000 I mean, that's just...

00:49:16.000 But because you could stabilize, I could run 16s.

00:49:19.000 And I'll run 16s in the woods because I could just peer through everything and like, boom.

00:49:23.000 I ran 12s in the woods this year, which is a little too much.

00:49:28.000 When you're not stabilized.

00:49:29.000 I usually run 10s, but sometimes...

00:49:32.000 10 by 42s?

00:49:33.000 Yeah.

00:49:34.000 Sometimes when you're looking at something that's really far off, you're like, I don't know if that's a good bull.

00:49:38.000 Is that worth chasing?

00:49:40.000 The 12s make all the difference in the world. 0.98

00:49:42.000 But what I do is I grab my baseball hat.

00:49:44.000 I learned this trick from Remy Warren.

00:49:45.000 Oh, that's a good idea.

00:49:47.000 So what you do is you... 0.99

00:49:49.000 Remy's a killing son of a gun. 1.00

00:49:51.000 He's a killing son of a mother. 1.00

00:49:53.000 You climp that sucker down tight so your hat's on tight. 1.00

00:49:56.000 And then I'll do this. 0.99

00:49:57.000 And I'll hold my binos right here.

00:49:59.000 Or take my bow and put it here and then stack it on top of the bow.

00:50:03.000 Press the bow up against your chest so it's not going to go anywhere.

00:50:06.000 And then stack it on top of the cam of the bow.

00:50:08.000 A lot of guys do that.

00:50:10.000 But Remy taught me this one.

00:50:11.000 And I think this one's super legit.

00:50:13.000 Just hold on to your hat.

00:50:14.000 And you can tuck your elbows in like this and you can really keep it stable.

00:50:18.000 If I couldn't do that, I wouldn't use 12s. 1.00

00:50:20.000 But I don't think I'm going to use 12s anymore anyway. 1.00

00:50:22.000 Really?

00:50:22.000 No, I think 10s are the way to go.

00:50:24.000 Maybe even 8s, because you get a bigger field of view.

00:50:27.000 Yeah.

00:50:28.000 Because a lot of times I'm seeing stuff through trees and I'm sneaking around.

00:50:32.000 Like, I like to, you know, I'm a big spot and stalk guy.

00:50:36.000 Sure.

00:50:37.000 I've tried a bunch of different hunting.

00:50:39.000 I've tried ground blind.

00:50:40.000 I tree stand hunted with Dudley. 1.00

00:50:43.000 That, you can go fuck yourself with that. 1.00

00:50:45.000 Sitting in those trees all day. 1.00

00:50:47.000 Fuck that. 1.00

00:50:48.000 I am way too ADHD for that. 1.00

00:50:51.000 You'll find out if you're crazy. 0.99

00:50:53.000 Oh, I'm crazy. 0.98

00:50:54.000 I'm definitely crazy.

00:50:55.000 I don't like it.

00:50:56.000 I don't like being up there in a tree like that.

00:50:59.000 Here's my question, though.

00:51:00.000 I was just in Missouri.

00:51:01.000 I went to our farm.

00:51:02.000 I was there six or seven days, and we sit 30 minutes before to 30 minutes all day.

00:51:09.000 Yeah, you have to.

00:51:11.000 But I would think with as many people as popping on you and all this, it was nice, because for me, I'm like...

00:51:17.000 I'm quiet.

00:51:18.000 I could just be...

00:51:19.000 I enjoy that part where I could just unravel and think through problems. 0.99

00:51:25.000 But yes, you go crazy and then you burn out your phone because you're like, and I'm gonna search for the dumbest things possible. 0.99

00:51:30.000 I'm gonna buy socks! 1.00

00:51:34.000 You're just sitting.

00:51:34.000 Also, you don't realize, like, if it's 30 degrees out, like, 30 degrees is no big deal.

00:51:38.000 You can walk around 30 degrees. 0.91

00:51:40.000 But as soon as you're sitting there in 30 degrees, you get so fucking cold. 0.98

00:51:44.000 So cold. 0.98

00:51:44.000 You're not moving. 0.98

00:51:45.000 So you're not generating any heat at all. 1.00

00:51:47.000 So then you're in this stupid body warmer suit that zips up. 1.00

00:51:50.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

00:51:50.000 You're like in a big Snuggie. 1.00

00:51:52.000 It's a big old oven.

00:51:53.000 And my hands are in here.

00:51:54.000 But the problem with that is if a deer comes in, you've got to zip.

00:51:57.000 Oh, yeah.

00:51:57.000 All the stuff.

00:51:58.000 You've got to make all that noise.

00:51:59.000 You've got to get out of it.

00:52:00.000 All this movement.

00:52:01.000 Grab your bow.

00:52:02.000 Yeah.

00:52:02.000 So you really shouldn't do that.

00:52:04.000 So you try to go with a puffy, but you're still freezing. 0.97

00:52:06.000 So then I started doing Bruce Lee exercises while I'm up there and fucking... 0.96

00:52:09.000 One thing I realized, I was so cold, I had a hard time pulling my bow back once. 0.95

00:52:15.000 I was going to shoot this deer and I was up in that stand for like four or five hours, yeah, in Iowa.

00:52:21.000 And I go to pull that bow back, I'm like, Jesus!

00:52:23.000 Well, because you shoot a 90-pound bow.

00:52:25.000 Yeah, but I was so cold.

00:52:26.000 Oh, no, I'll sit there and just do like...

00:52:29.000 I had a 95-pound bow for a while.

00:52:32.000 Oh, I remember when he made you that one.

00:52:33.000 I couldn't draw it on my knees.

00:52:35.000 I had to stand up.

00:52:36.000 You know how I found that out?

00:52:37.000 Because I was on my knees right behind a bush and an elk walked behind. 1.00

00:52:41.000 I'm like, fuck! 1.00

00:52:42.000 God damn it! 1.00

00:52:43.000 And I was in a weird spot where I could only lean on my left leg, too. 0.99

00:52:48.000 I was on my knee, but I was even on my left knee. 0.95

00:52:51.000 It was like a fucked up hill. 0.93

00:52:52.000 Right, and you don't have a good... 0.95

00:52:53.000 Yeah, I was like, my right knee was up like this, my left knee was down there. 0.99

00:52:56.000 I was like, this is bullshit! 0.99

00:52:58.000 That boat was crazy. 1.00

00:53:00.000 It would shoot 540 grain arrows, 305 feet per second.

00:53:06.000 Bro!

00:53:07.000 When it hits, it was just like...

00:53:09.000 I remember we were shooting at the Deseret, and we were all shooting at 100 yards, just me and a couple of these guys.

00:53:17.000 And they shot first, and then I shot. 1.00

00:53:19.000 And the guys go, what the fuck are you shooting? 1.00

00:53:22.000 Because the bow was so flat. 0.99

00:53:23.000 The KE was still rolling at that point.

00:53:24.000 He goes, that bow is so flat.

00:53:26.000 What is that?

00:53:27.000 I'm like, this is a 95-pound bow. 0.99

00:53:29.000 It was the dumbest thing ever. 0.98

00:53:31.000 I remember you sending me, you're just like, this thing's preposterous. 1.00

00:53:33.000 It was so dumb. 0.95

00:53:34.000 It also had a really short brace height, so it was super sketchy. 0.99

00:53:37.000 So if you moved your hand, it was so unforgiving that if you moved your hand even slightly, you were off target by six inches.

00:53:45.000 It was really twitchy.

00:53:46.000 Driving a little Tokyo Drifter around all the time. 0.97

00:53:48.000 It was so dangerous.

00:53:50.000 Not dangerous, really, but you just wouldn't.

00:53:53.000 I wouldn't trust it.

00:53:55.000 You know, I killed a couple animals with it, and then I stopped trusting.

00:53:57.000 Yeah, and you get to put it on the wall and go like...

00:53:59.000 Well, then I went to an 80-pound bow from Hoyt, and I was like, oh my god, this is so much better.

00:54:03.000 It was like 15, 20% more accurate.

00:54:05.000 I was like, that thing is just too sketchy.

00:54:08.000 Yeah, I just got that RX-9 like last week.

00:54:10.000 Oh, that's a great bow.

00:54:11.000 Yeah, I'm shooting 76, but I'm 30 and a half inches, so I got a pretty good stroke on it.

00:54:16.000 Oh, yeah, man.

00:54:17.000 I need some extra horsepower at 28 and a quarter.

00:54:21.000 I'm shooting 520 grain at about 282. So it's moving out.

00:54:28.000 That's great.

00:54:30.000 Guys like Randy Ulmer, he likes 265 to 280. He thinks that's the range where the arrows are the most accurate.

00:54:42.000 There's this thing about having too much fucking whip. 0.99

00:54:46.000 Yep. 0.99

00:54:46.000 You know, there's too much and it's almost like... 0.99

00:54:49.000 You get too much flex on the arrow.

00:54:50.000 There's a lot of flex on the arrows and it's probably more subject to wind drift when they're flexing like that.

00:54:55.000 It's like when we used to throw the javelin, there was different rated javelins and you could be too strong for the jab.

00:55:00.000 And so if you don't pull through the tip perfectly, just like aerospine.

00:55:03.000 Right.

00:55:03.000 And so you have a 50 meter jab, 60 meter jab, 70 meter.

00:55:07.000 And when you start getting strong, you could bend a 50 meter jab like a banana.

00:55:10.000 It's kind of fun, actually.

00:55:11.000 It comes out like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, like Lamar from, like, what was it, Revenge of the Nerds?

00:55:18.000 Oh, okay.

00:55:19.000 But, yeah.

00:55:19.000 That makes sense that it would be just like arrows.

00:55:22.000 Yep.

00:55:22.000 Because for folks at home, say if you have a 50-pound bow, you could probably get away with a 320 green arrow, 330, 350. So the higher the number, the more flexible the spine of the arrow is and the lighter the arrow will be.

00:55:38.000 So I shoot a 250. So it's got like a nice, stiff...

00:55:43.000 Because of all that kinetic energy.

00:55:46.000 Especially how much weight you have in the front creates that more of a flex.

00:55:50.000 Exactly.

00:55:50.000 But to me, it's all about...

00:55:53.000 I've heard arguments before.

00:55:55.000 People say, oh, you don't need that much bow power. 1.00

00:55:58.000 Shut your fucking dirty little skinny mouth. 1.00

00:56:01.000 Because the only reason why you would say that is because you can't pull that back. 1.00

00:56:05.000 That's the only reason. 0.99

00:56:06.000 And if you think that 70 pounds to you is the same as 70 pounds to me and you don't work out, that's just dumb. 0.98

00:56:14.000 That doesn't make any sense.

00:56:15.000 Yeah, it's like saying, well, you don't need a 500 pound deadlift Yeah, but it's nice.

00:56:20.000 Yeah, but if you can't squat 500 pounds and you have to squat 500 pounds, you can't do it.

00:56:25.000 I can. 1.00

00:56:25.000 So shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:56:27.000 Yeah, it's nice to have in your pocket. 1.00

00:56:28.000 Shut your dirty little skinny hole. 1.00

00:56:30.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:56:31.000 Because all that is is you're just saying there's virtue in being physically weak, and that's stupid. 1.00

00:56:36.000 That's stupid. 1.00

00:56:37.000 Do you need to be able to pull back 80 pounds to kill an elk? 1.00

00:56:40.000 No.

00:56:41.000 If you can't pull back 80 pounds and you're really accurate with 60 pounds and you have a cut-on contact broadhead, you can be successful.

00:56:48.000 Fine.

00:56:48.000 But I'm going through that whole animal.

00:56:51.000 I'm getting a pass-through on a giant animal, and you're probably not gonna.

00:56:56.000 And I think it's more important to be able to have the most ultimately lethal setup possible.

00:57:02.000 I learned this from Cam.

00:57:03.000 He's my mentor.

00:57:05.000 He's the guy who taught me how to bow hunt.

00:57:07.000 And his whole thing is...

00:57:09.000 He shoots a 90-pound bow as well. 0.99

00:57:10.000 It's like the most amount of power, and you want to make a big fucking hole. 1.00

00:57:15.000 And you want that animal to die like that. 0.99

00:57:17.000 Well, with anything, why would more horsepower, if you could handle it, not be advantageous? 1.00

00:57:22.000 It's stupid. 0.97

00:57:22.000 That's why race cars have limits on the amount of power you could have. 0.97

00:57:26.000 It's more advantage.

00:57:27.000 You know, if a Formula One driver's figured out a way to get a 4,000 horsepower engine and have it handled, they would win.

00:57:33.000 They would win.

00:57:34.000 Or if you could punch 30% harder than everyone else in UFC, do it.

00:57:39.000 Yeah.

00:57:40.000 Literally, that's how Francis Ngannou became the heavyweight champion of the world.

00:57:43.000 It's harder than anybody.

00:57:45.000 It's interesting.

00:57:46.000 My buddy, Loren Landau, strength coach, I was talking to him last week, and he did actually a study on ground force power into punching.

00:57:56.000 And they did, so they tested it on like a force plate, jump and force plate.

00:58:01.000 And then they did a Proteus machine.

00:58:04.000 Have you ever seen one of those?

00:58:05.000 It's like you kind of throw it and push it, kind of the same thing.

00:58:08.000 So they tested the power of the punch, then tested ground force, and then they did squats, but they also did like a trap bar deadlift.

00:58:16.000 And then the training was a jammer arm, like a jammer arm punch, so they had the sequence of force.

00:58:21.000 And he had a double-digit increase of strength or power through the ground, and it equated to a 12% increase in punching power.

00:58:30.000 So almost percent for percent.

00:58:32.000 So you look at that and say, well, if you're stronger, you squat more or deadlift more now as long as it doesn't take away from the sport.

00:58:41.000 But that has a very, very real effect on punching power.

00:58:45.000 Yeah, it does.

00:58:46.000 The way it takes away from the sport is if you're sore from lifting weights, you're not going to train as effectively.

00:58:52.000 That's just a fact.

00:58:54.000 Or it takes too much time away from your technique or injury or whatever.

00:58:58.000 That's where steroids come in. 1.00

00:58:58.000 And that's why Gordon Ryan can train 365 days a year. 1.00

00:59:02.000 He's open about it.

00:59:03.000 He's open about his use.

00:59:05.000 Because they don't test for steroids in jiu-jitsu.

00:59:07.000 So, you know, he's a wizard.

00:59:09.000 So he's like a pragmatist.

00:59:10.000 I figured that they would...

00:59:12.000 Nope.

00:59:13.000 UFC, they do, right?

00:59:14.000 The UFC, they do.

00:59:15.000 Yeah.

00:59:15.000 But have you ever seen Gordon?

00:59:17.000 You ever seen him with his shirt off?

00:59:18.000 Oh, yeah.

00:59:18.000 It's another type.

00:59:19.000 That motherfucker, he ain't passing no tests. 1.00

00:59:22.000 Give me one of them photos of Gordon looking like a Greek god. 1.00

00:59:25.000 He's squared away. 0.96

00:59:26.000 Yeah, I mean, when you have that, and then you have a genius level IQ, and then on top of that, you get the fuck out of here. 0.74

00:59:34.000 It's pretty typical. 1.00

00:59:35.000 This big shit-eating grin on his face. 0.99

00:59:37.000 And then you have a guy who trains 365 days a year who also works on technique constantly. 0.99

00:59:42.000 That's how you have the greatest of all time.

00:59:44.000 Yep.

00:59:44.000 But by the way, all those guys like Galvao, the guy who's on the bottom there, he's on the juice too.

00:59:49.000 It's a level playing field.

00:59:50.000 They're all juiced up.

00:59:51.000 Right.

00:59:51.000 It was kind of like the lifters and the throwers of the 80s.

00:59:55.000 Everyone had a 600-pound bench because that's what you do.

00:59:58.000 And guess what?

00:59:59.000 You've got to test now.

00:59:59.000 Well, this is a great argument to this idea of power being necessary, like with jiu-jitsu and grappling.

01:00:07.000 If you have technique like Gordon's and you're built like him, yeah, giant advantage.

01:00:11.000 Giant advantage to be super strong always.

01:00:14.000 In all of life. 0.99

01:00:16.000 There's fucking zero advantage of being weak. 0.75

01:00:18.000 No, there's never a time you're like, you know what, if I could just get my squat down a bit, that would really pan out for me.

01:00:24.000 One thing, though, that is really important, this actually really pays off, if you can train with a guy who's small, Like if you can learn jujitsu with a guy who's small, you'll learn the best jujitsu.

01:00:37.000 Why is that?

01:00:37.000 Because they have to use technique.

01:00:39.000 They have to use leverage. 0.99

01:00:41.000 Like you're a big fucking strong guy. 0.99

01:00:43.000 If you learn jujitsu, you could use that strength. 0.99

01:00:46.000 You could squish people's necks and throw them on the ground and grab their arms and stuff like that.

01:00:50.000 But a small guy can never do that.

01:00:53.000 So if you can learn jiu-jitsu from like a Barrett Yoshida or a Hoyler Gracie or Eddie Bravo or there's a few of those.

01:01:00.000 Gabe, Gabe Tuttle who teaches over here at 10th Planet.

01:01:02.000 Small guy jiu-jitsu is the best jiu-jitsu because it has to be razor sharp because they don't have the physical strength like overpower an arm.

01:01:12.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:01:12.000 Get you into a certain position just from raw horsepower.

01:01:15.000 They have to like sneak it in there with leverage and they have to do everything perfectly.

01:01:19.000 So those guys, if you learn jujitsu from them, you're going to learn like the most technical jujitsu.

01:01:26.000 Is that like obviously a reason why you should learn younger when you're small and weak?

01:01:31.000 Well, it's always good to learn young because first of all, it becomes a natural part of your movement.

01:01:37.000 Like it's like as your body matures, your body's...

01:01:40.000 I think it's more important with striking than anything.

01:01:42.000 It's very rare that someone learns how to strike while they're already physically mature and can ever reach the level of like a Floyd Mayweather.

01:01:52.000 Because that guy, as he was a child, his body, his reflexes developed striking.

01:02:00.000 And he's just got this massive encyclopedia of information that's available to him.

01:02:06.000 He knows exactly when he sees you do this, he knows that straight left is coming, and he knows all he has to do is do this, and he knows the counter is going to be there when you go to look for the right hand afterwards.

01:02:17.000 He's just got it all programmed.

01:02:19.000 It's all just like right in there.

01:02:21.000 For you to build that up after you're 28, you're never going to be at his level.

01:02:30.000 Unless you're some physical freak, which they do exist.

01:02:36.000 Yeah, but what I've understood too is the potential for building speed, which is, let's be honest, speed is a big part of power, which is punching, right?

01:02:44.000 It's the sequence of force.

01:02:45.000 How do you create force to the ground, explosion of force, not implosion into your arm or your foot or whatever it is.

01:02:51.000 That ends at 22. That the potential to develop the potential for speed ends at 22. Really?

01:02:57.000 Yeah, that's why all the weightlifters and everyone, gymnasts, everyone has to start young.

01:03:01.000 Because those firing patterns...

01:03:03.000 So when you're 27 and you try, you'll never...

01:03:05.000 You won't reach the potential you could have genetically.

01:03:08.000 Oh, that makes sense.

01:03:08.000 Because you just don't have the sequence, the speed, right?

01:03:12.000 That makes sense.

01:03:12.000 It's the, I know how to do this at speed that goes whack, whack, whack through here and I could crack that whip.

01:03:17.000 Yeah.

01:03:18.000 Your body just has, it's done too many other things at lower speed.

01:03:22.000 Right.

01:03:22.000 You know where I really noticed that?

01:03:24.000 With kicking.

01:03:26.000 When I teach people kicking, there's certain things that they have a really hard time doing fluidly.

01:03:33.000 Sequence of force.

01:03:34.000 The big ones is like anything that requires spinning.

01:03:37.000 Like if you look at a good MMA fighter that doesn't have like a Taekwondo background and you teach them how to throw a wheel kick, they'll never be able to throw a wheel kick like a real Taekwondo black belt.

01:03:50.000 There's certain guys That, like, as they're young, they're developing these spinning techniques, and they just got it wired in, their whole nervous system.

01:04:00.000 And it's so smooth and fluid that the power is so extraordinary.

01:04:06.000 And, you know, I've taught people that were, like, elite MMA fighters, and I try to teach them how to throw things like a spinning back kick, for instance.

01:04:14.000 And it takes a long time for them, even, like, John Jones' one that he landed.

01:04:20.000 Like on Stipe.

01:04:22.000 That guy's a freak.

01:04:24.000 That guy is like what we're talking about.

01:04:27.000 There's some guys, you can teach them things when they're in their 30s and they can develop it like someone who's been doing it their whole life.

01:04:33.000 But that's a rare exception.

01:04:35.000 Another rare exception I was thinking was Alex Pereira.

01:04:38.000 Alex didn't really start striking until he was like 21 years old.

01:04:42.000 He didn't even start training.

01:04:43.000 But my question would be, what other things did he do that That developed that speed and power sequence.

01:04:52.000 You know what he did?

01:04:53.000 He worked in a tire shop.

01:04:55.000 Really?

01:04:55.000 Yeah.

01:04:56.000 So he's like hoisting tires and hammering tires down and setting wheels.

01:05:01.000 Right.

01:05:01.000 So you're learning to do the most, because if you're doing it for a job, you're going to do the most efficient method possible to move an object, right?

01:05:08.000 You're also going to develop rotational strength.

01:05:12.000 You're throwing hammers down.

01:05:14.000 I mean, he's doing this eight hours a day, all day long.

01:05:17.000 So think about how many tires he's hammered, right?

01:05:20.000 Yeah, that's not a training thing for him.

01:05:22.000 Francis Ngannou, when he was a child, worked in a sand mine. 0.98

01:05:25.000 So he's fucking digging sand all the time. 0.99

01:05:28.000 He's just... 0.99

01:05:30.000 His body's just, as he's developing...

01:05:33.000 Also, massive physical specimen, right?

01:05:36.000 So he's like 6'6", or 6'5", whatever he is. 0.99

01:05:39.000 265 natural, built like a fucking Greek god, like a statue. 0.98

01:05:45.000 And his whole body's developing as he's a young man, digging sand. 0.99

01:05:49.000 And the anger you have. 1.00

01:05:50.000 Like, I can't believe I have to dig this fucking sand. 0.99

01:05:52.000 It's like the Wheel of Pain, like Conan. 0.99

01:05:54.000 It is like Conan.

01:05:55.000 He really is like a guy from a movie.

01:05:59.000 And then becomes the heavyweight champion of the world.

01:06:01.000 Was homeless.

01:06:02.000 Oh yeah.

01:06:03.000 You ever heard his story?

01:06:04.000 Oh yeah.

01:06:05.000 So a buddy of mine, Bo Sandoval, used to run the strength and conditioning director at UFC. And so he told me about it years and years.

01:06:13.000 He's like, we got this guy.

01:06:15.000 And I was like, really?

01:06:16.000 He goes, no, this is going to be a dude.

01:06:18.000 And I was like, really?

01:06:18.000 And he told me his whole story about Cameroon and like living in France and the whole deal.

01:06:23.000 And I became like, I never even looked eyes on the guy.

01:06:25.000 I was like, this guy, he's my guy.

01:06:26.000 I want to like him.

01:06:28.000 And then he came on the scene and we're like, whoosh.

01:06:30.000 His life story told on the podcast about making his trek.

01:06:34.000 Like he just decided he has to leave Cameroon.

01:06:36.000 And everybody's like, what are you going to do?

01:06:38.000 You can't go anywhere. 1.00

01:06:39.000 And he went through the fucking desert. 1.00

01:06:41.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:06:41.000 All the way to Morocco and then gets in a raft and does it seven different times. 1.00

01:06:46.000 He gets arrested, gets taken into custody.

01:06:48.000 They bring him into the middle of the desert, drop him off.

01:06:51.000 He goes right back to Morocco, walks through, hitches rides. 1.00

01:06:55.000 Took him a year and a half.

01:06:56.000 If he makes...

01:06:58.000 I don't care how much money that guy makes. 1.00

01:06:59.000 It's not enough.

01:07:00.000 For just being able to do that.

01:07:02.000 That is so, so, so cool.

01:07:04.000 How about he has one boxing fight and he knocks down the heavyweight champion of the world and one of the greatest heavyweight boxers of all time.

01:07:09.000 He hits him with a left hook and drops him and almost won.

01:07:12.000 I thought he won the decision.

01:07:14.000 It was over.

01:07:15.000 I was like, they're going to give it to him.

01:07:16.000 I think he won the decision.

01:07:17.000 He was battering him in the eighth round.

01:07:19.000 He dropped him in the second.

01:07:20.000 I'm like, I think he won.

01:07:22.000 And a lot of people thought he won.

01:07:24.000 Yeah.

01:07:24.000 And he came that close.

01:07:26.000 That fucking close. 0.98

01:07:27.000 And so is that like obviously genetically super gifted, right? 0.99

01:07:31.000 Yeah.

01:07:32.000 But then also like we're talking about like shoveling and doing all this work.

01:07:35.000 When you do that work for that long, you learn how to become efficient because you don't want to spend extra time and effort doing stuff.

01:07:40.000 So you just learn how to kind of move stuff.

01:07:42.000 There's a little bit of that.

01:07:43.000 And I think to be...

01:07:47.000 To be really charitable, I think Tyson Fury probably didn't think that he had a chance.

01:07:52.000 I think Tyson Fury probably didn't train as hard as he would have trained if he thought that Francis was a real threat. 0.99

01:07:58.000 I think he probably thought, I'm going to box this guy's fucking face off. 0.99

01:08:03.000 How could this MMA fighter? 1.00

01:08:04.000 And then he gets hit with one of them hammers.

01:08:07.000 Thud!

01:08:07.000 He gets left hooked on the side of his head.

01:08:09.000 He's like, what the fuck did this guy just hit me with? 1.00

01:08:12.000 And he's on his ass. 1.00

01:08:14.000 As the heavyweight champion of the world, fighting a guy with zero professional fights. 0.99

01:08:18.000 That was his first ever pro fight, his second ever pro round, and he drops one of the greatest heavyweights in the history of the game.

01:08:29.000 Here's my Mount Rushmore of heavyweight boxers.

01:08:32.000 Mike Tyson's number one.

01:08:34.000 Mike Tyson from 1986 to like 1990, there was not, or 88, whatever it was. 0.96

01:08:42.000 It was a few years before the wheels came off because he was just going crazy and partying and fighting with syphilis and shit. 0.99

01:08:47.000 He was a maniac. 0.94

01:08:49.000 But that guy, the guy who knocked out Michael Spinks, the guy who knocked out Larry Holmes, the guy who won the title from Trevor Burbick, I think that guy's the greatest heavyweight fighter of all time.

01:08:59.000 He was a juggernaut, man.

01:09:01.000 The guy who knocked out Marvis Frazier, that's the scariest version of Tyson ever.

01:09:05.000 The Marvis Frazier version.

01:09:07.000 You were probably late high school.

01:09:10.000 I was a little kid and I remember walking out with my skateboard and they were like, did you see the Larry Holmes fight last night?

01:09:15.000 I was like, oh no.

01:09:16.000 But I heard it was like 19 seconds or whatever it was.

01:09:18.000 It was crazy.

01:09:19.000 We were all pumped about it.

01:09:20.000 But you understood it differently than I did as a kid.

01:09:23.000 Yeah, I was doing a little boxing myself, and I was a giant boxing fan.

01:09:27.000 He was a freak.

01:09:28.000 He was a very unusual thing.

01:09:30.000 Because every other heavyweight was kind of slow, and even if they could hit hard, they were lumbering.

01:09:35.000 He was bobbing and weaving and moving, and he was a small heavyweight.

01:09:38.000 Wasn't even six feet tall. 0.52

01:09:40.000 So he's built like a brick shithouse. 0.84

01:09:42.000 He's got a 20-inch neck.

01:09:45.000 He's 220 pounds, moves like a guy who's 150, and he's throwing lightning bolts at your central nervous system. 1.00

01:09:53.000 He's hitting you to the body and your fucking legs are shutting off. 1.00

01:09:57.000 He was a monster. 1.00

01:09:59.000 I just think you can't maintain that forever.

01:10:01.000 I always, when I look at fighters, I try to look at them like when they were white hot.

01:10:08.000 Just burning hot at the highest level that they could achieve.

01:10:13.000 What was that like?

01:10:14.000 I feel like as great as Muhammad Ali was, man, I just don't see him surviving. 0.98

01:10:20.000 Not at the height.

01:10:21.000 No.

01:10:22.000 I see, like, Henry Cooper dropped Ali back when he was Cassius Clay with a left hook, and they cheated to get him out of the round.

01:10:31.000 Ah.

01:10:32.000 Customato cut his gloves, so they had to take his glove off and replace the gloves.

01:10:37.000 They gave him all this recovery time.

01:10:39.000 You ever seen that Henry Cooper fight?

01:10:41.000 No.

01:10:41.000 Henry Cooper was a bad man.

01:10:42.000 He was this British boxer, this guy from England who had a nasty left hook, and he caught Cassius Clay just BAP! Perfect one, and he slumps down the ropes.

01:10:53.000 He was Dunsville, but it was at the end of the round, and then Angelo Dundee, I mean, that guy had been around the block.

01:11:00.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, he knows his stuff. 0.99

01:11:01.000 He was like, let's cut these fucking gloves! 1.00

01:11:03.000 See if you can find that, Jamie. 1.00

01:11:05.000 Because it's a crazy fork in the road in history.

01:11:09.000 Right.

01:11:09.000 Because if they don't cheat, likely he gets stopped.

01:11:15.000 Likely, Henry Cooper, who landed the perfect left hook, hits him with a couple more, and that's it.

01:11:20.000 He's done.

01:11:21.000 He looks done already.

01:11:22.000 Like, watch this.

01:11:23.000 Henry Cooper had a nasty left hook.

01:11:24.000 Look how he's down there.

01:11:27.000 That's not regular down. 0.99

01:11:29.000 That's fucked up down. 0.97

01:11:31.000 That's like real trouble, but it's the very end of the round. 0.98

01:11:35.000 Look at this.

01:11:36.000 Bro.

01:11:36.000 But look how he goes down.

01:11:38.000 That's Dunsville.

01:11:40.000 So if that's a minute earlier, if he gets hit with that, the whole thing changes.

01:11:46.000 The whole thing changes.

01:11:48.000 He's not undefeated when he fights Sonny Liston.

01:11:49.000 He's not this unstoppable force.

01:11:53.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:11:54.000 Crazy!

01:11:55.000 And that can happen.

01:11:57.000 And there are fighters that I have seen in the UFC that I go, this guy could be the next fill in the blank.

01:12:04.000 This guy could be the next great welterweight champion, the next great lightweight champion.

01:12:09.000 And then they have one fight.

01:12:11.000 And in one fight, something happens.

01:12:13.000 They get hit with a flying knee, or they get head kicked, or something happens.

01:12:18.000 And then...

01:12:18.000 Their whole path changes.

01:12:20.000 And you're like, wow.

01:12:21.000 If that guy wasn't overmatched, if he didn't fight that guy.

01:12:26.000 So this is the difference between boxing and the UFC. The UFC is like, when you're ready, come to us.

01:12:32.000 And you're going to fight the best.

01:12:35.000 Boxing is like, we're going to build you.

01:12:37.000 We're going to take you and you're going to fight a few guys that are like real slick, but they don't have power.

01:12:43.000 And then you're going to fight a big guy with a lot of power, but he doesn't have any endurance.

01:12:47.000 Yeah.

01:12:48.000 And they're like, he's ready for this now.

01:12:51.000 You know, if you have a really good trainer like Tyson Fury's trainer, Sugar Hill.

01:12:57.000 He's analyzing your movements.

01:12:59.000 He's breaking down things.

01:13:00.000 He's figuring out what to change, what not to change, when to back you off at training.

01:13:05.000 You're a little too hot right now.

01:13:08.000 Let's not peak too soon because we've got two weeks before the fight.

01:13:11.000 I want you to take a day off.

01:13:13.000 Take a day off! 1.00

01:13:13.000 I'm ready to fucking eat nails! 1.00

01:13:15.000 No, no, no. 0.99

01:13:16.000 They know exactly, and then they're like, he's ready for this level of competition.

01:13:22.000 So they'll give you a guy that'll offer you some struggles, some tests.

01:13:26.000 Maybe he's got a big punch, and you might lose the fight, but you're most likely going to win, and this is how you find out if a guy's going to make it.

01:13:34.000 You slowly move him.

01:13:35.000 So there's a lot of boxers.

01:13:37.000 By the time they're fighting for the title, they're 14-0, 16-0, 18-0.

01:13:41.000 Charles Oliveira.

01:13:43.000 I mean, what is Charles Oliveira's record?

01:13:45.000 Let's see Charles Oliveira's record.

01:13:47.000 So Charles Oliveira, when he became the lightweight champion, he had a ton of losses in the UFC. He got stopped by Paul Felder.

01:13:56.000 He got stopped by Cub Swanson KO'd him.

01:14:00.000 He got, I think, I'm pretty sure Jim Miller knee-barred him.

01:14:05.000 So what is his record? 0.69

01:14:06.000 Jim's a freak.

01:14:07.000 Look at that.

01:14:08.000 35-10.

01:14:09.000 Okay?

01:14:10.000 And so...

01:14:12.000 Out of those ten, a few of them have been recently...

01:14:15.000 Scroll back up to the top, please.

01:14:17.000 So, Islam Makachev, he loses the title, and then Arman Sarukian, he loses a split decision.

01:14:23.000 I thought he won that fight, by the way.

01:14:25.000 But it was close.

01:14:26.000 So, those are the two out of those ten. 0.99

01:14:28.000 So, that means, as a champion, he had eight fucking losses. 0.98

01:14:32.000 Eight losses, and some of them, brutal knockouts. 0.99

01:14:36.000 Because you're in there with the Lions, with all the Lions.

01:14:40.000 And so the UFC is like, who's the baddest Lion?

01:14:44.000 Let's figure it out.

01:14:45.000 You want to be in the UFC? You win a few fights, we're going to throw you in.

01:14:49.000 Or if it's, you know, last short notice, short notice fight?

01:14:53.000 Let's go.

01:14:54.000 And the thing you find out, too, is that the level at the UFC, as great as some of these guys look in these other organizations, the level at the UFC, that's the peak.

01:15:04.000 Those are the greatest fighters on the planet.

01:15:06.000 There's no arguing about it.

01:15:07.000 And we found out about that this past weekend because Alexandre Pantoja, who might be the best pound-for-pound fighter alive, he's the flyweight champion. 0.99

01:15:17.000 He fought this dude, Kai Asakura from Japan, who's a fucking assassin. 0.98

01:15:22.000 Pantoja just ate him alive. 0.99

01:15:24.000 Just ate him alive.

01:15:25.000 And he got caught with a couple good shots, too.

01:15:27.000 A couple good knees to the body. 1.00

01:15:28.000 And, you know, Kai Asakura is a really good fighter, but the level was just different.

01:15:34.000 Like, Pantoja just...

01:15:35.000 He strangled him.

01:15:36.000 But it's just the way he did it. 0.99

01:15:38.000 I mean, he was fucking him up on the feet. 0.99

01:15:40.000 He was fucking him up everywhere. 0.99

01:15:41.000 He was just pushing him in this, like, insane pace. 0.98

01:15:44.000 You watch those little guys fight.

01:15:47.000 They fight like pitbulls, man.

01:15:49.000 Just like wild scrambles where they're moving so fast.

01:15:55.000 You're trying to call the fight.

01:15:56.000 Me and Daniel were talking about it during the commentary.

01:15:58.000 We have to recalibrate our brains.

01:16:00.000 Because you go from a heavyweight fight to a flyweight fight.

01:16:03.000 It's like listening to a podcast when you turn it to 1.5.

01:16:07.000 I actually had to start listening to your podcast at regular speed because I thought you talked really fast.

01:16:14.000 I was just like, oh, Joe, no one talks that fast, because I listen to it super fast.

01:16:18.000 Somebody sent me a clip of someone, some political person, talking about one of the guests on the show, and I was like, what is wrong with the clip?

01:16:26.000 And then I had to realize, oh, they got an unspeeded up version.

01:16:28.000 Yeah, do you listen to stuff speeded up?

01:16:30.000 Never.

01:16:31.000 A buddy of mine taught me that.

01:16:32.000 He listens to books.

01:16:33.000 He got up to 4X, and so he just downloads.

01:16:36.000 But are you absorbing it the same way?

01:16:38.000 I think if you're kind of like Rain Man, which I'm not.

01:16:40.000 I'm not.

01:16:41.000 I could go 1.5 pretty easy, and I could just get through it faster.

01:16:45.000 Yeah, I see how that could help.

01:16:48.000 But for me, I'm not reading books on tape or listening to books on tape for anything other than my own enjoyment and education.

01:16:57.000 So for me, I'm enjoying it.

01:17:00.000 So I like to think about the things, and I'll have more time to think about what this person's saying if they're not going at one and a half speed.

01:17:07.000 Because if they're going at one and a half speed and going one concept to the next, then I'm like, wait a minute, I don't understand.

01:17:11.000 Then I have to back up.

01:17:12.000 I like to think about stuff.

01:17:14.000 So it's like, especially if I'm listening to something esoteric or really weird, which is a lot of the stuff that I listen to.

01:17:22.000 If I'm not listening to fiction, I'm probably listening to a book on physics or something.

01:17:26.000 I listen to Jack Carr stuff at regular speed because I really just enjoy the books.

01:17:30.000 Oh, that guy.

01:17:31.000 What is his name?

01:17:32.000 Who's the guy who does his...

01:17:33.000 Yeah, by...

01:17:35.000 That guy's really good.

01:17:36.000 Yeah, I can't remember.

01:17:37.000 He has a lot of good dialects and everything.

01:17:40.000 Jack texted me this morning and said hi.

01:17:42.000 He's the man.

01:17:42.000 He's awesome.

01:17:43.000 I love that.

01:17:44.000 See, we're across Tomahawks on the wall.

01:17:46.000 Oh, for sure.

01:17:47.000 I love it.

01:17:47.000 He's like, hey, Jill Jealous and I. I love that dude.

01:17:50.000 He's salt of the earth.

01:17:51.000 We just got him some CMBs.

01:17:53.000 Ray Porter.

01:17:54.000 Ray Porter.

01:17:55.000 Yeah, Ray Porter.

01:17:56.000 I knew it was a Ray something.

01:17:57.000 With the cross tomahawks on there. 1.00

01:17:58.000 He's the fucking man. 1.00

01:18:01.000 The thing about his books on tape, though, is you're locked into Ray Porter forever. 1.00

01:18:05.000 Some new person starts reading. 0.96

01:18:06.000 Oh, you're screwed. 0.99

01:18:07.000 Like, who is this guy? 1.00

01:18:09.000 This is bullshit. 1.00

01:18:11.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:18:11.000 You can't have this guy doing it. 1.00

01:18:14.000 This guy's amazing.

01:18:14.000 I'm used to all the voices.

01:18:16.000 Rafe is a good voice.

01:18:17.000 Yeah, he's got a South African accent.

01:18:19.000 Yeah, I know.

01:18:20.000 You know who else is really good?

01:18:21.000 Who's the guy who does the Gray Man series?

01:18:25.000 There's a guy who does...

01:18:26.000 You ever listen to the Greyman series?

01:18:28.000 I haven't.

01:18:28.000 I'm so addicted.

01:18:29.000 Really?

01:18:29.000 Mark Graney writes them.

01:18:31.000 They're so ultra-violent. 1.00

01:18:32.000 They're so fucking crazy. 1.00

01:18:33.000 They're so crazy. 1.00

01:18:35.000 It's about a CIA hitman. 0.99

01:18:36.000 Oh, wow.

01:18:37.000 It was like a singleton guy they send all around.

01:18:39.000 Dude.

01:18:40.000 It's so...

01:18:40.000 They made a movie about it.

01:18:41.000 Is there one of the weird ones that would give you your think about it all night?

01:18:44.000 Oh, yeah.

01:18:45.000 When I would start watching The Sopranos, my view on the world would change.

01:18:49.000 Jay Snyder.

01:18:50.000 That guy's really good.

01:18:51.000 He does really good girl voices, too. 1.00

01:18:55.000 But those fucking books, man, they are so ultra-violent. 1.00

01:18:58.000 They're so crazy. 1.00

01:19:00.000 They're so crazy. 0.99

01:19:01.000 Sometimes I listen to them and I have to shut them off before I go to bed.

01:19:04.000 If I listen to them, I like to take the sauna before I go to bed.

01:19:07.000 And so if I'm listening to a book on cosmology, that's great.

01:19:12.000 It's interesting.

01:19:13.000 Go to bed and think about space.

01:19:14.000 But if I listen to some Grey Man before I go to bed, I'm like, I gotta shut this off.

01:19:18.000 Yeah, we don't need that.

01:19:19.000 We don't need that in the house. 0.99

01:19:21.000 Yeah, people getting their fucking eyeballs, like a giant sword shoved through their eyeballs, getting blown up, grenades in their mouth, like, hey! 0.99

01:19:29.000 Hey! 0.99

01:19:30.000 Hey, hey, hey! 0.55

01:19:32.000 Do you, like, scroll around?

01:19:34.000 I know you're not supposed to look at your phone before you go to bed.

01:19:36.000 I always just, I, like, look up ballistics.

01:19:40.000 My wife's like, what are you doing? 1.00

01:19:41.000 And I was like...

01:19:42.000 Well, that's good.

01:19:43.000 That's not social media.

01:19:45.000 That's good.

01:19:45.000 Well, I do it because I actually think about stuff and it doesn't matter.

01:19:49.000 I have to look at something that doesn't matter.

01:19:51.000 Like, if I look at...

01:19:52.000 Good.

01:19:53.000 Don't check an email. 0.99

01:19:55.000 You're screwed, right? 1.00

01:19:56.000 And I'll tell my wife. 0.99

01:19:57.000 She's like, hey, I got a question for her.

01:19:58.000 She's like...

01:19:59.000 The lights are off.

01:20:00.000 Don't ask questions right now.

01:20:01.000 All night I'll be thinking of this problem I have to solve.

01:20:05.000 So I'll just sit there and I'm like, hey, I wonder what the ballistic coefficient of a.350 Remington Magnum is.

01:20:11.000 By the way, anybody with a beard like yours, I would assume they know the ballistic coefficient of a.350.

01:20:17.000 It's like, I see a dude in a beard like that and he's kind of jacked.

01:20:20.000 I'm like, that guy knows how to shoot some things.

01:20:23.000 100%.

01:20:24.000 Probably loads his own bullets.

01:20:26.000 Yeah, I'd be about a 9-inch drop at 300. Interesting.

01:20:28.000 Okay, I'll keep that in mind.

01:20:30.000 Yeah, you'd probably load your own rounds.

01:20:31.000 Yeah, well, you know.

01:20:33.000 Yeah, I bet you do.

01:20:35.000 Pops used to be really, really into that.

01:20:38.000 Thankfully, I know the guys at Nosler, so they just sent me ammo, which is nice. 0.69

01:20:41.000 I've made the mistake of looking at social media before I go to bed, and I get mad, or I get upset, or I get sad, or I find out some weird shit that's going on in the world. 0.99

01:20:50.000 And when I was younger, I'd read things that people would say about me, and I'd be like, oh my god, like, what is this, asshole? 0.99

01:20:56.000 That's not true. 0.99

01:20:57.000 And you get all upset.

01:20:58.000 And then I realize, like, wait, this is just some person.

01:21:01.000 Like, I wouldn't talk to them in real life.

01:21:03.000 Like, why is their opinion more valid?

01:21:06.000 Because it's written down.

01:21:07.000 So then I stopped reading all comments about me.

01:21:11.000 And, oh my god, it changed everything.

01:21:14.000 It changed everything.

01:21:15.000 You do the post and ghost, right?

01:21:16.000 Yes, it's the way to go.

01:21:18.000 I have friends and they'll come to me, like they'll come to the comedy club or something, and they'll be like genuinely emotionally distraught because people are attacking them online.

01:21:28.000 I go, but they're not here.

01:21:29.000 Like right here, your friends are here and you're all freaked out because I know I got to stop reading that stuff.

01:21:34.000 I go, you got to stop reading that stuff.

01:21:35.000 First of all, it's not true.

01:21:36.000 You're really funny.

01:21:37.000 You're a great guy. 0.99

01:21:38.000 So it's all bullshit and they don't know you. 0.99

01:21:41.000 So they're just deciding to do this, and they know that it fucks with you because you talk openly about it. 1.00

01:21:46.000 And so now they're gonna accentuate it. 0.91

01:21:47.000 They're gonna keep jabbing at you.

01:21:49.000 They got a rock.

01:21:50.000 There's a window.

01:21:50.000 Yeah, they're in the cheap seats.

01:21:52.000 We're whipping them there. 0.99

01:21:53.000 You gotta stop doing that, man.

01:21:54.000 And a few guys have listened to me, and a few guys haven't.

01:21:57.000 And the guys that have listened to me, they all say the same thing.

01:22:00.000 Like, oh my god, I feel so much better.

01:22:01.000 I'm like, yeah.

01:22:02.000 Social media's not the problem. 0.99

01:22:04.000 The problem is, Either engaging in the anger and the hate or having – reading people's anger and hate towards you and having it fuck your head up like, hey.

01:22:13.000 Do you think it's something that's like systemic that is literally spreading and growing? 0.97

01:22:19.000 Like the people that put that type of trash out all the time and then they think there's some sort of value to that and then other people see it.

01:22:26.000 There is some value, right?

01:22:27.000 They do get engagement, right? 0.99

01:22:29.000 And if you're a person that has like a YouTube show where all you do is shit on people, you have bad karma for sure. 0.98

01:22:34.000 For sure you're suffering. 0.99

01:22:35.000 Yeah, but you got to deal with that the rest of your life, like dealing that poison.

01:22:38.000 Right, but you can make a living doing that. 0.96

01:22:40.000 Like there are guys who make a living doing that. 1.00

01:22:42.000 They're all fucked up. 0.99

01:22:44.000 I'm not saying there's value in it. 1.00

01:22:46.000 But I do think you make something out, you can create a career doing that.

01:22:51.000 That's part of the problem is that it's effective. 0.68

01:22:54.000 Right, like trolls.

01:22:56.000 Yeah, like it does get engagement.

01:22:59.000 But then, you know, what kind of engagement are you getting?

01:23:03.000 Look, I have people that hate me online, but not the ones who know me.

01:23:07.000 Right.

01:23:08.000 That's what's kind of important.

01:23:10.000 Yeah.

01:23:10.000 The people that know me either in real life or through the podcast know I'm a nice person.

01:23:16.000 Right.

01:23:16.000 I work really hard at it.

01:23:17.000 I try hard to be a nice person.

01:23:20.000 It's a conscious effort.

01:23:22.000 I'm good at it.

01:23:22.000 I like doing it.

01:23:24.000 I like nice people.

01:23:25.000 I like to be a nice person.

01:23:26.000 Makes you feel good, right?

01:23:26.000 It makes me feel good.

01:23:27.000 So I don't engage.

01:23:28.000 I don't fire back at people.

01:23:31.000 When people get mad at me, even celebrities have attacked me online.

01:23:34.000 I'm like, eh.

01:23:35.000 How does that feel?

01:23:37.000 Probably being in that world a bit more and then now having people turn on you probably feels strange.

01:23:44.000 They're just revealing who they are.

01:23:47.000 They're just weak. 0.98

01:23:48.000 They're just weak people. 0.98

01:23:49.000 They're not the type of person.

01:23:50.000 If you did that in front of me when you were around me, we could have a conversation about why I feel like you're incorrect and this assumption that you have of me is totally wrong. 0.96

01:24:01.000 Also, if you're not talking to someone in person and you're saying something about that person, You could just kind of form some bullshit narrative. 0.95

01:24:13.000 Of course. 0.90

01:24:13.000 The person's right there, they'll go, that's not true. 0.90

01:24:16.000 So you're saying something, and if it was true, then you'd be justified in your anger. 0.99

01:24:20.000 But what you're saying is not true, and you're taking things completely out of context, and you don't know what you're talking about, and you're doing this because your life sucks. 0.97

01:24:28.000 And it's the only time you do it. 0.74

01:24:30.000 I've always said, do you think Michael Jordan is posting on YouTube?

01:24:33.000 Is he making comments?

01:24:34.000 No.

01:24:34.000 When he was in...

01:24:35.000 If YouTube was around when Michael Jordan was the king, would he be doing that?

01:24:38.000 No.

01:24:39.000 He doesn't have time because he's being a winner.

01:24:41.000 Because he's actually winning and doing...

01:24:43.000 Yeah, 100%.

01:24:44.000 Guarantee you, Michael Jordan reads the comments.

01:24:46.000 And if he did read the comments, he'd be up all night.

01:24:48.000 Anger.

01:24:49.000 You saw that...

01:24:51.000 Neil Brennan had a bit about Michael Jordan's documentary on his last Netflix special.

01:24:58.000 It was pretty funny.

01:25:00.000 It's like, unless you want to be the greatest basketball player of all time.

01:25:03.000 He goes, don't hold grudges. 0.99

01:25:05.000 Unless you want to have $150 million worth of passive income every year because it's a fucking silhouette of you dunking. 0.99

01:25:14.000 Unless! 1.00

01:25:15.000 Unless.

01:25:16.000 It's a good unless.

01:25:17.000 But again, those are freaks, right?

01:25:19.000 These are the outliers.

01:25:20.000 These are the people.

01:25:22.000 As a rule, as a human being, that's not the way to go.

01:25:24.000 Just insatiable desire to just hammer that nail until it's just so far down in the woods.

01:25:30.000 You're just like, I don't know what you're doing anymore, but yeah, man.

01:25:33.000 That's how you become the greatest of all time.

01:25:34.000 You leave no questions.

01:25:35.000 It's just the difference between that in Sport versus that and fighting though is in fighting you could I don't think you can maintain it No, like a guy like Jordan.

01:25:45.000 How long was he in his prime?

01:25:46.000 It was a decade, right?

01:25:48.000 Yeah a deck for a decade.

01:25:49.000 He was dominating the basketball You can't really do that in fighting you think it John Jones the only one has been able to do you just takes so much aggression so much damage so much damage to your body and The damage to your body is huge.

01:26:03.000 Because there's so much damage that happens just in training. 0.99

01:26:06.000 John tore his peck off of his fucking shoulder in training. 0.99

01:26:10.000 Yeah, and that wasn't getting hit. 1.00

01:26:11.000 That was wrestling.

01:26:13.000 And then there's the impacts that you get.

01:26:16.000 And then there's the back stuff.

01:26:18.000 You get thrown weird.

01:26:20.000 You land on your back weird.

01:26:22.000 You're throwing someone.

01:26:24.000 A knee hits you weird.

01:26:25.000 Your ribs break all the time.

01:26:28.000 Hands break all the time like common gym injuries knee blows out noses Everybody's got a broken nose. 0.93

01:26:36.000 I don't know anybody who does any kind of combat sports that hasn't broken their nose So there's like you after a while you can't breathe out of your nose your nose is destroyed your fucking hand hurts when you try to like open your car door and Yeah. 0.98

01:26:49.000 And you have to punch people in the head with it. 0.97

01:26:51.000 Your knee hurts going downstairs. 0.98

01:26:54.000 Kamaru Usman, you want to hear something crazy?

01:26:57.000 When he walks, he has to walk backwards downstairs because his knees are so bad.

01:27:02.000 Oh, because he can't get the knee over the toe.

01:27:04.000 His knee hurts so bad.

01:27:05.000 And he was a welterweight champion of the world with those knees.

01:27:08.000 And he was talking about it openly.

01:27:10.000 He was like, oh, you know, you can know.

01:27:12.000 You can know my knees are bad. 1.00

01:27:13.000 I'm still going to fuck you up. 1.00

01:27:14.000 And he did. 1.00

01:27:15.000 He fucked everybody up forever. 0.99

01:27:16.000 It's coming. 0.99

01:27:17.000 To Leon Edwards.

01:27:18.000 Yeah.

01:27:19.000 But his knees are so bad that he would have to walk on the grass where everybody was like walking on the sidewalk.

01:27:25.000 He'd have to go over to walk on the grass because just take a little bit of relief.

01:27:28.000 Extra cushion.

01:27:28.000 Just something.

01:27:29.000 Yeah.

01:27:30.000 Bone on bone, man.

01:27:31.000 Yeah.

01:27:32.000 Bone on bone.

01:27:33.000 Well, it looks just like the operators, like, you know, guys are jumping out of.

01:27:37.000 Oh, yeah.

01:27:38.000 Like, all of them are jacked up.

01:27:39.000 All of them.

01:27:39.000 And everyone in the strength world, everyone's low back, everyone's shoulder, everyone's knee.

01:27:43.000 Everyone in jiu-jitsu.

01:27:45.000 Everyone's got a back problem.

01:27:46.000 Everyone's got a neck problem.

01:27:47.000 It's just part of it.

01:27:47.000 Everyone blows a knee out.

01:27:49.000 It's part of it.

01:27:49.000 Yeah.

01:27:50.000 And if, you know, Eddie always used to say, look, you're going to have to get surgery eventually.

01:27:54.000 You're going to have to get surgery.

01:27:55.000 Just get the surgery, heal up, come back.

01:27:57.000 You're not going to stop doing it.

01:27:58.000 Are we rebuilding this engine and keep it racing or is this like doing the least as you can to not get surgery?

01:28:04.000 My second surgery, I went to this doctor when I had a bucket handle meniscus tear so it would lock.

01:28:10.000 You ever have one of those?

01:28:11.000 Yeah.

01:28:11.000 Where it locks out.

01:28:12.000 It was fucking brutal. 0.99

01:28:13.000 And he was like, you've got to stop doing martial arts. 1.00

01:28:16.000 I go, shut the fuck up. 1.00

01:28:17.000 I go, you don't know what you're talking about. 1.00

01:28:19.000 You can't fix this?

01:28:20.000 I go, fix this.

01:28:21.000 He's like, when you're older.

01:28:22.000 I'm like, yeah, when I'm older.

01:28:24.000 Right now, I'm 30 years old. 1.00

01:28:25.000 Fix my fucking knee. 1.00

01:28:26.000 I gotta go strangle people. 1.00

01:28:27.000 What are you talking about? 1.00

01:28:29.000 What the fuck are you talking about? 1.00

01:28:30.000 Stop doing this. 1.00

01:28:31.000 I'm not gonna stop doing this.

01:28:32.000 Same thing.

01:28:33.000 I was 22 when I had that.

01:28:35.000 And I had an Olympic trial in two years.

01:28:37.000 It's too much fun.

01:28:38.000 Before I went under, I was like, I've squatted this much and I do this.

01:28:43.000 When I come out of it, I expect to be back there.

01:28:45.000 So fix it like that.

01:28:46.000 Don't fix it like I'm an old guy taking her easy and like I'm young. 0.97

01:28:50.000 I got shit to do. 0.85

01:28:51.000 Do they fix it differently depending on like who you are? 0.99

01:28:53.000 I don't know.

01:28:54.000 I just felt better about saying it.

01:28:56.000 I don't know.

01:28:58.000 I tell you what, they do get, they got a lot better.

01:29:00.000 I would assume they would actually fix you, maybe they wouldn't fix normal people.

01:29:03.000 Well, I tell everybody, if you have an opportunity to get an ACL reconstruction, please, at least try the cadaver graft.

01:29:12.000 I know a lot of people want to do that patella tendon graft because you don't have the risk of rejection.

01:29:17.000 I don't know anybody who's had a rejection from the cadaver.

01:29:21.000 I do know people who have pushed it too hard, too early, and then re-blown it.

01:29:26.000 Because you know how it works?

01:29:27.000 Do you know what happens?

01:29:28.000 I'm not familiar.

01:29:28.000 It's really kind of interesting.

01:29:30.000 You get this.

01:29:31.000 So my right knee, when I blew my ACL out, they take a cadaver.

01:29:36.000 Like I have a dead dude's Achilles tendon, which is much thicker.

01:29:40.000 I don't know his name.

01:29:41.000 It was a...

01:29:42.000 God like Francis Zagato.

01:29:44.000 Yeah, you're like, oh, this is some stud. 1.00

01:29:46.000 Just fucking animal. 1.00

01:29:48.000 Just giant Viking dude. 1.00

01:29:50.000 So it's thicker.

01:29:52.000 It's 150% stronger than a real ACL. And so they screw that in place.

01:29:56.000 And then it's not like you have this dead guy's thing in there forever.

01:30:00.000 What happens is your body re-proliferates that.

01:30:03.000 It acts as a scaffolding.

01:30:04.000 So it can feel like it's secure, but it's really vulnerable.

01:30:08.000 So you have to be super careful.

01:30:10.000 Up until like that six-month mark when it should be re-proliferated.

01:30:14.000 And so does the foreign tissue eventually just kind of get reabsorbed, which is kind of weird?

01:30:20.000 Exactly.

01:30:20.000 You eat that dead guy's Achilles with your knee.

01:30:24.000 My knee is just munching these dead dude Achilles.

01:30:27.000 But man, I've had no problems with this knee.

01:30:28.000 That's awesome.

01:30:28.000 This right knee is amazing.

01:30:29.000 The left knee, I had a patella tendon graft because I had that one done in 93 or 94. Okay.

01:30:37.000 And that one, back then, that's the only way they did it.

01:30:39.000 But it was really good.

01:30:41.000 But it took a long time to heal.

01:30:44.000 Like, it was a long time before I could kneel down on the ground.

01:30:48.000 Like, if I had to kneel down and put my knees on the ground.

01:30:50.000 Because they take a piece of bone out of your shin, and they take a piece of bone out of your kneecap, and then they take a slice out of your patella tendon. 0.86

01:30:57.000 They pull that off, and they open you up like a fish, and they fucking drill it into your shin bone and drill it into your fibula. 0.89

01:31:04.000 Love that. 0.98

01:31:04.000 Your tibia and your femur, rather. 0.98

01:31:07.000 Wrap it over.

01:31:09.000 They get it in there, and then it's like a year before it feels like you could do anything with it.

01:31:14.000 It took a while before I felt like I really trusted it, but I do have to say I was not as diligent with my rehabilitation back then as I was When I got this one done.

01:31:24.000 With this one, I rehabbed it all myself.

01:31:27.000 I went to one or two of these things.

01:31:30.000 I'm like, they're just showing me things I already know how to do.

01:31:31.000 I'm like, I know what to do.

01:31:32.000 I'm just going to do this.

01:31:33.000 I'm going to do it all day.

01:31:34.000 So I was doing bodyweight squats all day long.

01:31:36.000 And I got it to six months later, I was training again.

01:31:40.000 Full blast.

01:31:40.000 No problems.

01:31:41.000 Were you doing any of the BPCs or any of the peptides?

01:31:43.000 There was nothing available back then.

01:31:45.000 Oh, well, Back then.

01:31:46.000 So this was 2003 that I got this one done.

01:31:49.000 Nice.

01:31:49.000 And this was the cadaver, rather.

01:31:52.000 How do you think the recovery would have worked for us?

01:31:55.000 Like with all these dings and injuries, because I've had a couple, I'm sure you probably have too, a couple of friends that got surgery, that actually the doctor hit them, side injection, and even IV with BPC-157 during the reattachment of a pec or a bicep.

01:32:09.000 Super legit.

01:32:10.000 It's super legit along with TB-500.

01:32:13.000 Apparently that combination of those two together is the most effective.

01:32:17.000 Yeah.

01:32:18.000 Super effective.

01:32:19.000 And, you know, there's a lot of people that resist that for some strange reason.

01:32:23.000 Why?

01:32:24.000 I don't know.

01:32:25.000 I think there's a bit of ego involved in not knowing something when you're an expert.

01:32:31.000 I find that with, there's a real problem with, unfortunately, some orthopedic surgeons.

01:32:38.000 Aaron Rodgers was explaining this to me, that his doctors were telling him not to do stem cells after he got his Achilles fixed.

01:32:46.000 He's like, what are you talking about? 0.99

01:32:47.000 Like, shut the fuck up. 0.99

01:32:50.000 And so, of course, he did stem cells. 0.99

01:32:52.000 And of course, he went to ways to well.

01:32:53.000 And of course, he was back three months earlier than they thought he could ever be.

01:32:57.000 And, you know, there was like some real thought at the end of that season that he was probably going to be able to play.

01:33:03.000 Everybody's like, this is nuts.

01:33:04.000 Like, nobody recovers from this that fast.

01:33:06.000 But he was very smart.

01:33:07.000 And he didn't push it too far.

01:33:08.000 And he waited until...

01:33:10.000 Follow Brigham and all this stuff.

01:33:12.000 But yeah, stem cells work.

01:33:13.000 There's a reason why you have to go down to Tijuana to get the good ones. 0.99

01:33:16.000 Because they fucking work. 0.98

01:33:18.000 Like anything that works. 0.99

01:33:19.000 It's like you're not allowed to do it anymore.

01:33:21.000 Biden.

01:33:22.000 Really helped us out on that. 0.99

01:33:24.000 The steroid thing in 91, that cocksucker. 1.00

01:33:26.000 He really did. 0.96

01:33:27.000 I was talking to a strength conditioning professional the other day at the administrative level.

01:33:31.000 And we were just talking about different things going on.

01:33:33.000 I said, yeah.

01:33:33.000 I said...

01:33:35.000 I said, there's people, in my opinion, in your world that don't know about BPC-157.

01:33:41.000 He didn't know about BPC, and I'm just like...

01:33:43.000 Crazy.

01:33:44.000 And I'm like, okay, I was taken eight years ago.

01:33:47.000 You know what it is, though?

01:33:48.000 It's like they don't continue to learn.

01:33:50.000 That was my point.

01:33:51.000 They get their degree, and then they're in practice all day.

01:33:52.000 They're constantly working on people.

01:33:54.000 People are coming in the door.

01:33:56.000 This guy blew his ankle out. 0.99

01:33:57.000 This guy's got a fucking blown shoulder. 0.99

01:33:58.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:33:59.000 And I said, the weird part is, is you have a strength conditioning professional...

01:34:04.000 And in some ways, there's more information cutting edge on a podcast from guys that are interested in training than there are from like the, you know, and I'm just like, hey guys, just open the scope a little bit.

01:34:18.000 Well, there's enough of these guys that are super smart and also jacked, like these Andrew Huberman guys.

01:34:24.000 And super smart guys that are in the bodybuilding.

01:34:27.000 Sure.

01:34:28.000 Super smart guys like Derek from More Plates, More Gates. 0.81

01:34:31.000 He's the best example because he's just a fucking encyclopedia of data and studies and efficacy and how you combine things together. 0.74

01:34:41.000 And he actually runs a clinic. 0.97

01:34:42.000 So he really knows what he's doing.

01:34:44.000 Right.

01:34:44.000 So you get the boots on the ground.

01:34:45.000 You see it in real time.

01:34:47.000 My doc is Eric Serrano.

01:34:50.000 I don't know if you know Doc Serrano.

01:34:51.000 He's up in Columbus.

01:34:53.000 But everyone has gone to him over the last 30 years.

01:34:57.000 But he's one of those dudes that has like a basement.

01:34:59.000 Columbus, Ohio?

01:35:00.000 Columbus, Ohio.

01:35:01.000 Oh, that's where Louie was.

01:35:02.000 Exactly.

01:35:03.000 He was Louie's doctor.

01:35:04.000 So yeah, he was Louie's.

01:35:06.000 You go through all professional baseball.

01:35:08.000 It's like, OK, got it.

01:35:09.000 Tracking.

01:35:10.000 He's one of the rare guys that we went to him to do a podcast.

01:35:13.000 How was that?

01:35:15.000 Did you go to Bob Evans with him?

01:35:16.000 No, we just, we hung out in his gym.

01:35:18.000 Yeah.

01:35:19.000 You know, and he just was introducing me to a bunch of freaks and showing me all the stuff that he invented and why he invented it.

01:35:26.000 So cool. 0.99

01:35:27.000 Louis Simmons, he was the fucking man. 1.00

01:35:28.000 He was so funny. 1.00

01:35:29.000 Louis was awesome.

01:35:30.000 He was so funny.

01:35:31.000 He was such a character.

01:35:32.000 He was telling me about how he got his shoulder blown, got his shoulder replaced, and then immediately when he got back to the gym, they made him max out and bench.

01:35:40.000 And I was like, what are you talking about?

01:35:41.000 You need to recover. 1.00

01:35:42.000 They were like, don't be a pussy. 1.00

01:35:44.000 You have to max out. 0.99

01:35:45.000 I was there in 2002, and so Louis and his wife Doris, and they would always meet the Bob Evans in the morning, and he would eat and do the whole deal.

01:35:54.000 And he was telling me a story about how he got pissed off and he put something in his cell phone and he threw it out the window while he was driving.

01:36:03.000 And then so he didn't have a cell phone for a couple weeks.

01:36:06.000 And then he got to the gym and he missed a lift and he punched his own tooth out.

01:36:10.000 Punched himself so hard he knocked his own tooth out and then took a wire brush that you like clean the chalk out of a barbell and smashed himself on the head.

01:36:19.000 And he was just pouring.

01:36:20.000 His wife was like, yeah, Lou was pouring blood and he knocked a tooth out. 1.00

01:36:22.000 And I'm just thinking...

01:36:24.000 Westside was awesome! 0.99

01:36:26.000 Holy crap!

01:36:27.000 So I got talking to him, and he was like... 0.98

01:36:28.000 Dude, he had no biceps.

01:36:29.000 Yeah, right, because he blew him out.

01:36:31.000 I just never got it fixed.

01:36:32.000 Yeah, yeah, a lot of those guys, same...

01:36:33.000 Yeah, it's wild.

01:36:34.000 But he was like, yeah, those cats would...

01:36:36.000 They'd fight, and he goes, we would literally, like...

01:36:38.000 There's some tuned-up dudes in there.

01:36:42.000 And he said that we would just literally kick them out the door.

01:36:45.000 If they were fighting on the floor, we would kick them out of the way so they were out of the way of the monolith so we could keep squatting.

01:36:51.000 Like, every 30 seconds, you're up, or 90 seconds, whatever.

01:36:54.000 It's like, I don't care if you're fighting, literally, hitting each other with stuff.

01:36:58.000 Move the next guy up.

01:37:00.000 And I'm like, this place is wild! 1.00

01:37:02.000 They created some fucking animals. 1.00

01:37:04.000 Here's a wild story. 1.00

01:37:05.000 So we were there, and this drunk chick came in. 1.00

01:37:08.000 She was like, because this was the old west side.

01:37:10.000 It was like in this little...

01:37:12.000 Shopping center with the windows were all blacked out and everything.

01:37:15.000 It was pretty dope. 0.86

01:37:16.000 And this drunk chick walked in. 1.00

01:37:17.000 She was like, hi, y'all working out here!

01:37:20.000 And she was tuned, man.

01:37:22.000 She was all sloppy, legit street person. 1.00

01:37:26.000 And I'm like, oh, this is going to go bad.

01:37:29.000 I'm just reading the room, right?

01:37:31.000 There's a...

01:37:33.000 It was not a lot of estrogen in that room, right?

01:37:36.000 So I'm like, oh man, this is going to be bad.

01:37:38.000 Louie's like, hey, hey, come here, come here, come here.

01:37:40.000 So he puts a weight vest on her and then puts a second weight vest, a 25-25, 50-pound weight vest, and takes her outside, wraps a belt around her waist with a sled, and had her walking, doing sled pulls, back and forth with 50 pounds of weight vest on her shoulders.

01:37:58.000 Drunk. 1.00

01:37:59.000 Drunk as shit. 1.00

01:38:02.000 And I'm just like... 1.00

01:38:03.000 I'm just like watching.

01:38:05.000 I'm like, what?

01:38:06.000 She comes back in.

01:38:07.000 He's like, all right, come over here.

01:38:08.000 He puts her on the monolith, two red bands.

01:38:11.000 It was maybe just the bar.

01:38:12.000 Wasn't a lot of weight on there.

01:38:13.000 And had her doing speed box squats, eight sets of two, for speed. 0.87

01:38:17.000 And was teaching her how to box squat.

01:38:19.000 She finally stumbles out and just leaves. 0.99

01:38:22.000 And later on, I'm like, Lou, did you know that girl?

01:38:25.000 He goes, no.

01:38:25.000 I'm like...

01:38:27.000 She was just some random street person and you had her squatting. 1.00

01:38:30.000 He goes, shit, half the people in this room were that person a year ago. 0.98

01:38:33.000 I'm like, oh. 1.00

01:38:34.000 He goes, she could be world champion. 1.00

01:38:36.000 You never know.

01:38:37.000 Wow.

01:38:38.000 And I was just like...

01:38:39.000 What a crazy mentality.

01:38:41.000 That stuck with me for so long.

01:38:43.000 He's like, most of these people are broken and they have some addictive thing and something.

01:38:49.000 And he goes, if they could channel it into something, that might be the next world champion.

01:38:54.000 Right.

01:38:55.000 And I don't know if you ever saw her again.

01:38:57.000 I was just there that one day, and it stuck with me for, shoot, 22 years.

01:39:02.000 And I just thought about that.

01:39:03.000 I'm like, he put his money where his mouth was.

01:39:06.000 He was a coach, and he wanted to see what could someone do.

01:39:10.000 You know, that's so interesting because one of the guys who trained with Louis was Matt the Immortal Brown.

01:39:16.000 Mm-hmm. 0.97

01:39:17.000 Matt the Immortal Brown, I know he did some training with him, and I've always said that there's something about guys that used to be addicts, that have like died, and Matt died, and there's been a few guys that I know that came back, they were the scariest fucking people.

01:39:31.000 Because they had crossed over, and then they realized there's a good addiction, the good addiction is to training.

01:39:37.000 Just be completely addicted to training. 0.99

01:39:41.000 Those are some of the fucking scariest. 0.99

01:39:43.000 It was wild. 0.98

01:39:44.000 I mean, I knew a lot of those guys from that world, and a lot of them are addicted to different stuff.

01:39:49.000 And unfortunately, they get into training, and then if they get out of it, that addiction might come back.

01:39:55.000 That happens with fighters when they retire.

01:39:58.000 And then also, they're generally dealing with some issues mentally from impacts.

01:40:04.000 And so a lot of those guys start drinking.

01:40:06.000 They start doing coke.

01:40:07.000 I always loved how Louie just saw it differently.

01:40:09.000 And my dad was the same way.

01:40:10.000 He used to always say, look for something not of what it is, but what it can be.

01:40:15.000 And that meant human potential.

01:40:17.000 That meant designs.

01:40:18.000 That meant application of stuff.

01:40:19.000 And it's just like, yeah, that person's whatever.

01:40:22.000 But if you push and you tweak and you push and you tweak, there might be something in there that's super beautiful and awesome.

01:40:28.000 But you never know if you just said that's a drunk chick that walked in the gym. 1.00

01:40:31.000 Well, it's crazy with him because he's actually done it a bunch of times and it worked, right?

01:40:35.000 Weird.

01:40:36.000 So this attitude has developed over time to just accept the fact that this person might come in 16 Coors Lights deep.

01:40:43.000 Dude.

01:40:45.000 Just tuned.

01:40:46.000 Just tuned.

01:40:47.000 You know, but...

01:40:49.000 You never know.

01:40:50.000 A buddy of mine, he trained at Westside and he said, I mean, half the time, he said, he's like, I've seen guys bench 700 pounds like on acid.

01:40:57.000 Like just...

01:40:59.000 Freaked out of their mind.

01:41:00.000 It's just like wild stuff.

01:41:02.000 And I'm like, holy cow.

01:41:03.000 That whole world is wild.

01:41:05.000 Yeah, like you had an old...

01:41:06.000 I mean, that whole world is so extreme, right?

01:41:09.000 The fighting world, the lifting, the throwing.

01:41:12.000 Dudes would do some pretty wild stuff. 0.99

01:41:13.000 Yeah, and whenever you get these male-oriented alpha characters that all get together and they're all butting heads and trying to figure out who's the baddest motherfucker around them... 0.97

01:41:25.000 They also develop a culture of acceptance of certain aspects of life that come with the injuries and pain and suffering. 0.93

01:41:35.000 Wrestlers, they brag on suffering the most.

01:41:39.000 They want to suffer more than anybody.

01:41:40.000 That's the badge of honor.

01:41:42.000 What time did you get up?

01:41:43.000 4.30.

01:41:44.000 I was on my 14th mile at 4.30.

01:41:47.000 Yeah, just drag you into deep water.

01:41:49.000 Let's just make it worse.

01:41:50.000 That's the part of the culture of wrestling is embracing the grind. 0.87

01:41:54.000 That's the whole thing. 0.98

01:41:55.000 It's like being the guy who can push, being that Cam Haynes motherfucker that does those 340 mile runs. 0.64

01:42:03.000 I think I've read before, is this accurate, that the highest winning percentage in the UFC were all from the wrestling background? 0.92

01:42:10.000 Is that accurate?

01:42:10.000 I'd probably say that's probably accurate.

01:42:12.000 I think if you had to say, like, what's the back...

01:42:16.000 I've always said that's the foundation of martial arts, because the wrestler can decide where the fight takes place.

01:42:21.000 A wrestler...

01:42:24.000 Generally, mentally, they're going to be tougher because they went through the hardest thing when they were a child.

01:42:29.000 The hardest thing as a child is wrestling.

01:42:32.000 You're starving yourself when you're growing.

01:42:34.000 You're dehydrating yourself before matches.

01:42:37.000 You're training and competing dehydrated. 0.98

01:42:40.000 You're in a fucking hot room, you know, clashing with other alpha males and you're throwing each other around. 0.98

01:42:47.000 It's just the hardest thing. 0.99

01:42:48.000 Staph infections every once in a while.

01:42:51.000 But that skill is so important.

01:42:53.000 The skill to be able to manipulate bodies and take them down.

01:42:56.000 And if you could teach a wrestler jujitsu, oh my god, they're so much better at it because they're just so accustomed.

01:43:02.000 It's just they just have to learn a new series of movements to go with this skill set.

01:43:07.000 They're great at controlling bodies. 0.92

01:43:09.000 Yeah, and just the proximity.

01:43:11.000 People aren't good with being all up in people and they're like, yeah, I live here.

01:43:14.000 They live there.

01:43:15.000 And then the other thing is, if you could teach a wrestler how to strike, they have such an advantage.

01:43:20.000 Because you can't take them down, and you're worried about them taking you down, so that opens you up to certain shots.

01:43:26.000 It happens all the time, where guys are worried about a takedown, and then they get blasted.

01:43:30.000 Because they're thinking, this guy could take me down at any moment, and then you get hit.

01:43:35.000 It's like another element that they put in that you have to deal with that they don't have to deal with.

01:43:41.000 They're not worried about you taking them down.

01:43:42.000 You're not even going to try.

01:43:43.000 So they can be completely relaxed with their takedown defense.

01:43:47.000 That's terrifying.

01:43:48.000 Yes.

01:43:49.000 Horrible. 1.00

01:43:50.000 Being there with an elite wrestler is fucking horrible. 0.99

01:43:52.000 I've even seen elite wrestlers even in business and stuff like that. 0.99

01:43:56.000 It always feels like they're trying to shoot in on you.

01:43:58.000 Right.

01:43:59.000 They're looking for the weakness trying to shoot in.

01:44:01.000 You're like, ah, this is just kind of in you, huh?

01:44:04.000 Well, they also know that they can. 0.97

01:44:05.000 You're walking around knowing that you can pick up any guy you want and dump him on his head.

01:44:09.000 And most likely, they have no say in it.

01:44:12.000 There's nothing they can do.

01:44:13.000 You don't get a vote.

01:44:14.000 Yeah, man.

01:44:15.000 If you're around a judo black belt and you're wearing a winter coat, you might as well have a hammer right above your head. 0.75

01:44:22.000 Because that guy's just going to use that coat and slam you into the concrete.

01:44:27.000 You're basically helpless.

01:44:28.000 Yeah.

01:44:29.000 If you don't know judo and you tangle up with a real judo black belt, you're going to fly through the air.

01:44:36.000 And you're going to land on the ground with all of his weight and your weight on top of you.

01:44:41.000 And even if you don't bang your head, your whole body's going to be out of air.

01:44:45.000 You don't know how to land.

01:44:47.000 No.

01:44:47.000 You're going to land and just...

01:44:48.000 Especially when a guy's controlling the smash.

01:44:50.000 Oh, and he's going to shoulder right into you as he lands.

01:44:52.000 Boom! 1.00

01:44:54.000 You're fucked. 1.00

01:44:55.000 You're fucked. 1.00

01:44:55.000 So that guy's gonna look at every person like meat. 1.00

01:44:59.000 Yeah.

01:45:01.000 I never realized how effective a gi choke was until Hoist gi choked me. 0.99

01:45:06.000 It was my first ever...

01:45:07.000 I was like, yeah, I'll try jujitsu.

01:45:09.000 And he did like a clinic.

01:45:11.000 He's like, come on up for this thing.

01:45:12.000 And my buddy's on me trying to do the thing.

01:45:14.000 And then I thought Hoist put me in like...

01:45:15.000 Remember the old thing with like the paper cutters?

01:45:17.000 Oh, yeah.

01:45:18.000 Pretty sure that was what he has for a forearm.

01:45:20.000 And I'm like...

01:45:22.000 Way different.

01:45:23.000 Yeah.

01:45:24.000 My big buddy that's my size, hoist is way different than that.

01:45:28.000 It's leverage and technique.

01:45:29.000 Holy cow. 0.89

01:45:30.000 It's tying that shoe.

01:45:32.000 He's choked people so many times.

01:45:33.000 It was like his armor made with scissors.

01:45:34.000 It was just like, this is amazing.

01:45:36.000 It's so cool to see perfection, right?

01:45:38.000 Yeah, well, that's the other thing about coats and jackets or even a hoodie.

01:45:42.000 You could choke someone so easy with a hoodie.

01:45:44.000 Really?

01:45:44.000 Just get your thumbs in deep and squeeze it.

01:45:47.000 Yeah, you could choke the shit out of someone. 0.66

01:45:49.000 If you grab somebody with a hoodie and just drew them in, especially like, I said, a leather coat. 0.95

01:45:55.000 Oh, yeah, because it doesn't stretch.

01:45:57.000 Yeah, you get a good grip.

01:45:59.000 A jean jacket? 0.98

01:46:01.000 I choked the fuck out of somebody with a jean jacket. 0.98

01:46:05.000 You got top and bottom denim. 0.99

01:46:06.000 Jay Leno, you're in trouble.

01:46:08.000 That jean shirt.

01:46:10.000 That thing's durable.

01:46:11.000 Robert Redford would be in trouble too. 1.00

01:46:13.000 You want some shit that tears easy. 0.99

01:46:15.000 Like you want a shirt that already has cuts in it. 1.00

01:46:18.000 You're pre-loaded.

01:46:19.000 You should pre-load the back of your shirt.

01:46:21.000 Make some cuts in it just in case someone grabs you.

01:46:25.000 Because someone can just grab your t-shirt.

01:46:27.000 There's actually a Gracie self-defense thing that was on that I was looking at the other day.

01:46:32.000 It was a really smart move where this woman was showing that you can grab a hold of someone's t-shirt if you're a woman and you're getting attacked by a man. 1.00

01:46:41.000 Just grabbing a hold of their t-shirt and then getting your legs around their neck.

01:46:45.000 No way.

01:46:46.000 You're jamming your carotid artery, their carotid arteries, your thumb while you're holding a t-shirt and squeeze with your legs.

01:46:51.000 He could put a guy out.

01:46:53.000 Especially a guy that doesn't know what's happening and doesn't know how to protect himself.

01:46:58.000 I don't know how to do that.

01:47:00.000 That's not it, but she was on her back.

01:47:04.000 It was on YouTube.

01:47:05.000 I tried to move like that one time.

01:47:08.000 I was goofing around with my buddy.

01:47:09.000 We call him the cyborg. 1.00

01:47:10.000 He's an absolute monster of a human. 0.97

01:47:13.000 And he and I were goofing around, and I was on my back, and so I kind of got him the little leg scissors on his head, and I grabbed his arm, and I'm like, I'm going to pull his arm off. 0.99

01:47:22.000 I'm a big, strong deadlifter.

01:47:24.000 I'm like, I got him.

01:47:25.000 I finally got him.

01:47:26.000 He was 290, 6'2", 290, all apt.

01:47:30.000 He looked like Gordon, but bigger and stronger.

01:47:33.000 And he literally just, I thought he was going out, and he kind of went, what?

01:47:36.000 And woke up, and he picked me up while I was hanging out, and then just slammed me down on the ground. 0.65

01:47:41.000 I'm like, man, screw this. 0.60

01:47:42.000 Yeah, you can't.

01:47:42.000 People could do that to people?

01:47:44.000 Like, no.

01:47:44.000 No one can stand up with a person hanging off them and slam them back on the ground.

01:47:48.000 I didn't know that.

01:47:50.000 I just got clobbered.

01:47:52.000 You want to see the worst version of that ever?

01:47:55.000 Rampage Jackson vs.

01:47:57.000 Ricardo Arona.

01:47:58.000 Did you ever see that in Pride?

01:48:00.000 It's the worst case scenario of holding on to like a triangle while a guy picks you up.

01:48:06.000 Yep. 1.00

01:48:06.000 And Rampage in his prime was a fucking machine. 1.00

01:48:10.000 He was so powerful. 0.99

01:48:11.000 So he takes this dude who's 200 plus pounds, hoists him over his head, and slams him down like a pillow.

01:48:18.000 So look at this.

01:48:19.000 So he's caught in the triangle.

01:48:20.000 Watch how Rampage does this. 0.83

01:48:22.000 Ah!

01:48:23.000 Yep.

01:48:24.000 Bro.

01:48:25.000 That was one of the worst KOs in the history of the sport.

01:48:29.000 I mean, that dude definitely could have died.

01:48:31.000 He probably got the worst trauma.

01:48:33.000 Yeah.

01:48:33.000 The worst brain trauma.

01:48:35.000 Did he knee himself in the face, too?

01:48:37.000 I think Rampage collided heads with him as well. 1.00

01:48:40.000 So it was probably a bunch of shit. 1.00

01:48:41.000 Yeah, like all kinds. 1.00

01:48:42.000 I think right there.

01:48:44.000 Squashed his guts.

01:48:45.000 Yeah, hit his shoulder. 0.96

01:48:47.000 But Rampage's head went into his head.

01:48:50.000 This is a crazy slam, man.

01:48:53.000 Look at that.

01:48:53.000 Ba-boom!

01:48:54.000 Mine was not nearly as devastating, but it was enough to maybe not want to do that again.

01:48:58.000 That was the worst.

01:48:59.000 And this guy was never the same again.

01:49:01.000 Ricardo Arona was never the same again.

01:49:03.000 That is such a crazy...

01:49:05.000 So that all could have been avoided.

01:49:07.000 Like, that's not what you do.

01:49:09.000 When you have a triangle, if you see a guy posturing up, you immediately go under. 0.99

01:49:14.000 And if he's got you in the air, you let go of the fucking triangle. 0.97

01:49:18.000 The thing that's holding him in there was him. 0.99

01:49:20.000 He's holding himself in there.

01:49:22.000 Yeah, so he was the pivot point.

01:49:23.000 Because sometimes you can keep it, right?

01:49:26.000 Sometimes you can keep a triangle and you get slammed and it just makes the triangle tighter.

01:49:30.000 But you've got to know when you're way up in the air.

01:49:34.000 You've got to let go.

01:49:36.000 You've got to fully let go and then try to sprawl.

01:49:39.000 Something has to happen.

01:49:40.000 You have to disrupt this motion, this thing that's happening.

01:49:44.000 And the best way is an underhook.

01:49:47.000 Like, as soon as you feel like he starts to stand up, you hook the leg, and worst case scenario, you transition to a leg bar, you let go of the triangle, you get control of that leg, and you use that leg either to try to cement him or sweep him.

01:49:59.000 But you can never hold onto a triangle if the guy's standing up. 0.98

01:50:03.000 It's just, look at that fucking concrete. 0.99

01:50:05.000 You're done. 1.00

01:50:06.000 You're dead. 0.98

01:50:07.000 You're done. 1.00

01:50:07.000 Your head is pulverized. 1.00

01:50:08.000 Yeah.

01:50:09.000 It was bad enough on turf, but I won't do that again.

01:50:11.000 And that was like, you know, there's a little bit of a springiness to the ground because it's in a ring.

01:50:16.000 Still.

01:50:17.000 And there's probably a certain amount of padding on the surface.

01:50:21.000 How hard are those rings?

01:50:23.000 And I've walked around in them.

01:50:24.000 There's a little bit, like the UFC has a small amount of foam, like a padding.

01:50:29.000 And it's very important, really.

01:50:32.000 Because, you know, guys' heads bounce off and they get head kicked.

01:50:36.000 They fall down, their heads bounce off.

01:50:37.000 They get hit with a big right hand or something.

01:50:40.000 You bounce your head.

01:50:41.000 So you can't have a real hard floor.

01:50:42.000 Yeah.

01:50:43.000 But it's not soft enough where you want, you know, John Jones power slamming you.

01:50:47.000 No, not really any day.

01:50:49.000 No days, actually.

01:50:51.000 That's crazy.

01:50:52.000 Yeah, it's a, I mean, to be one of those people that make a living doing that, that is a wild way to go.

01:50:59.000 Yeah.

01:51:00.000 What happened where that decided that that was the direction they were going to go?

01:51:04.000 You're like, you know what? 0.66

01:51:05.000 I'm going to get the crap beat out of me and dole out a lot of pain and see how this shakes out?

01:51:11.000 Or do you just kind of like wake up one day and you're in that world? 0.96

01:51:13.000 You're like, I'm pretty good.

01:51:14.000 Well, you're probably a wild person to begin with.

01:51:17.000 And you're probably excited by dangerous, scary things.

01:51:20.000 And you're probably pretty good at it, which is why you're fighting professionally.

01:51:23.000 Yeah.

01:51:23.000 You know, so you're probably trained in the gym and you realize you're better than most people.

01:51:28.000 Maybe a few amateur fights and fuck a few people up and go, you know, I think I'm the fucking man. 0.99

01:51:33.000 You start believing in him. 1.00

01:51:34.000 Yeah.

01:51:35.000 And some of them are right.

01:51:36.000 Yeah.

01:51:36.000 Some of them are Jon Jones.

01:51:37.000 That's the thing.

01:51:37.000 How do you figure that out?

01:51:38.000 Every now and then.

01:51:39.000 Every now and then a guy is correct.

01:51:41.000 Like, that's the way he should have went.

01:51:43.000 Yeah.

01:51:44.000 Definitely.

01:51:44.000 Dang.

01:51:44.000 Fucking everybody up.

01:51:46.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:51:46.000 Everybody. 0.99

01:51:47.000 It's okay.

01:51:48.000 You were talking about me first.

01:51:50.000 So...

01:51:50.000 Tyson.

01:51:51.000 Yeah, that's my heavyweight.

01:51:54.000 That's my heavyweight all-timer.

01:51:56.000 John Jones for UFC? He's the guy that's like, I feel like Tyson in his prime, you have to have him on the Mount Rushmore.

01:52:03.000 You want to have Jack Dempsey, you want to have Joe Frazier.

01:52:07.000 I mean, it's like a lot of guys who are really good.

01:52:10.000 It's hard to say, like Muhammad Ali, Joe Lewis, Rocky Marciano.

01:52:15.000 There's a lot of like, for me, the one that you can't remove is Tyson.

01:52:18.000 Right.

01:52:19.000 So there's a bunch of other ones. 0.98

01:52:20.000 Lennox Lewis in his prime was fucking amazing. 0.77

01:52:22.000 Larry Holmes doesn't get the credit he deserves in his prime. 0.89

01:52:25.000 There's a lot of guys who are really good heavyweight champions, but you have to have Tyson.

01:52:29.000 Everything else is negotiable.

01:52:30.000 Tyson has to be there, in my mind.

01:52:33.000 You know, different people disagree.

01:52:35.000 Do you watch other sports besides fighting sports or combat sports?

01:52:38.000 I watch a little football.

01:52:39.000 Yeah, I've been watching football lately.

01:52:41.000 I enjoy it.

01:52:42.000 It's fun.

01:52:42.000 Pro or college?

01:52:43.000 I watch high school.

01:52:45.000 Yeah, right?

01:52:45.000 I watch college and I watch pro.

01:52:49.000 I went to an NFL game the first time this year.

01:52:51.000 Kind of cool.

01:52:52.000 It was fun.

01:52:52.000 Yeah, I saw the Jets play the Cowboys down at Dallas.

01:52:55.000 That was wild.

01:52:56.000 It's wild when you see the scale of it.

01:52:58.000 You know, the scale of it.

01:52:59.000 The size of the arenas.

01:53:00.000 You've been to many college games before?

01:53:01.000 A few.

01:53:02.000 A few UT games.

01:53:02.000 Oh, you were at UT, right?

01:53:03.000 Yeah, that was fun.

01:53:04.000 I got to shoot the cannon at UT. Oh, nice.

01:53:06.000 That was fun.

01:53:07.000 Isn't it crazy?

01:53:07.000 Have you been keeping up with the NIL and all the transfer portals and how that's changed the landscape?

01:53:14.000 I have not.

01:53:15.000 What is that?

01:53:16.000 NIL is name, image, and likeness.

01:53:19.000 Oh, that, right.

01:53:20.000 The money thing.

01:53:21.000 Yeah, the money thing is crazy. 1.00

01:53:22.000 Well, they should have been paying those fucking kids a long-ass time ago. 1.00

01:53:25.000 They should retroactively pay all those kids. 1.00

01:53:27.000 That would be interesting.

01:53:28.000 They should.

01:53:29.000 They should.

01:53:29.000 They were making money off of them.

01:53:31.000 It's crazy how much money they make.

01:53:32.000 The amount of money that's happening now, it's interesting because it actually, from a couple of my friends that are in that world, it creates a different conversation with the new kids. 0.98

01:53:42.000 Because let's say in high school, they're bringing in these recruits and everything like that, and everyone is kissing their butt. 0.86

01:53:48.000 Hey, man. 0.54

01:53:48.000 They're like, hey, we really want you to be here. 0.54

01:53:50.000 We want you to be a whatever. 1.00

01:53:52.000 Pay me, bitch. 1.00

01:53:53.000 And now it's turning into pay me. 1.00

01:53:55.000 But then the other side of it- I want a Corvette.

01:53:58.000 Dude, I have friends that tell me that there are athletes who, when they're coming to a recruiting trip, say, if there's not a quarter million dollar signing bonus as just a part of the deal, I'm not getting on the plane for the recruiting trip.

01:54:11.000 Wow.

01:54:12.000 An 18 or 17 year old kid saying that, that blows my mind.

01:54:15.000 But meanwhile, they're right.

01:54:16.000 You know who else should be doing that? 1.00

01:54:18.000 The fucking Olympics. 1.00

01:54:20.000 The fucking Olympics. 1.00

01:54:21.000 They should all say, fuck you, pay me. 1.00

01:54:23.000 They really should. 1.00

01:54:24.000 That's the greatest scam in all of competitive sports.

01:54:28.000 Well, they can now. 0.93

01:54:30.000 I mean, the Olympic Committee, but originally it was amateur, which was sucked.

01:54:34.000 Meanwhile, what you mean is the NBA players can represent the United States and play in the Olympics.

01:54:40.000 That's cute.

01:54:41.000 But what about the swimmers?

01:54:42.000 What about the gymnasts?

01:54:44.000 What about the boxers?

01:54:46.000 All those people should get paid. 0.99

01:54:47.000 Every single one.

01:54:48.000 And no one really cares about Olympic athletes, but every four years.

01:54:52.000 A buddy of mine won the 2004 shot put Olympics.

01:54:57.000 And he was like, I still have to ask my mom for money.

01:55:01.000 He's like, because no one cares about the Olympics, but every four years.

01:55:05.000 And you're like, you have a degree at Dartmouth, a business degree, and you're the Olympic champion.

01:55:12.000 And he was the first athlete to ever eBay himself.

01:55:16.000 So he had a shirt that says, this space for rent.

01:55:19.000 And so he put himself on the market.

01:55:22.000 It's kind of like the first NL. It's like, hey man, I have to make money throwing this steel ball.

01:55:26.000 And I'm 30-something years old, I'm a world champion, and I still have to ask for money every four years.

01:55:32.000 Or for three.

01:55:33.000 They used to do that with the UFC. You used to be able to have sponsors.

01:55:36.000 Oh yeah, yeah.

01:55:37.000 Anything you want, like Condom Depot and your shorts.

01:55:42.000 How about those old days of Tank Abbott and all this guy?

01:55:45.000 I used to love watching all that.

01:55:46.000 When I was in college, we'd be like, get it, pay-per-view, and check it out.

01:55:49.000 Yeah, man.

01:55:50.000 That's the dark days.

01:55:51.000 The early days.

01:55:53.000 No one knew what was going on.

01:55:55.000 No one really knew what was effective.

01:55:57.000 You saw some people were effective one way, and you thought, that's the way to go.

01:55:59.000 Yeah.

01:56:00.000 It was kind of like when you're in high school, when you would go sneak out of the house and go watch Faces of Death.

01:56:04.000 Oh, yeah.

01:56:05.000 And it was like, wow, this is a cool thing.

01:56:07.000 It's like the UFC. Kids will never understand how difficult it was to see fucked up things when we were young. 0.76

01:56:12.000 It was hard. 0.85

01:56:13.000 Really hard.

01:56:14.000 You had to try hard.

01:56:15.000 You had to, like, know somebody.

01:56:16.000 You had no older kids.

01:56:17.000 That guy had to know somebody in the city.

01:56:19.000 Someone in some dark warehouse that had a copy of some Barnyard Betty video.

01:56:23.000 It's always weird.

01:56:24.000 Yeah, no, it's just like, yeah, you rode your bike all around and you, like, find some weird woodpile.

01:56:29.000 I remember when we were kids, someone had a video, I think it was like a Barnyard Betty type video, like when them ladies have sex with a bunch of animals. 0.94

01:56:37.000 And one of us had to watch the door.

01:56:41.000 So if we had a video like that, we're playing in the basement, one of us had to go up to the top of the staircase and wait by the door so that no one could just open the door.

01:56:52.000 So if they opened the door, you would pretend like, oh, I was just coming through the door.

01:56:57.000 You know, so like you hold it out of the door so they can't get in. 0.95

01:56:59.000 Like, oh, sorry!

01:57:00.000 Oh, sorry! 0.98

01:57:01.000 And then the kids downstairs would hear that and they would pop the tape out and pretend they were, you know, playing Atari or some shit. 0.96

01:57:07.000 Atari. 1.00

01:57:09.000 But you had to pop that fucking tape out quick! 1.00

01:57:12.000 Because if mom caught you down there watching a chick blow a German Shepherd... 1.00

01:57:15.000 Yeah, that didn't pan out.

01:57:16.000 And they were like real grainy, like copies of copies.

01:57:20.000 You know, like two guys get together with two VCRs and they record tapes.

01:57:24.000 Oh yeah, with all the weird, you have to get the...

01:57:25.000 Yeah, you had the cables in the back.

01:57:27.000 So was that...

01:57:28.000 Did you live in the city growing up?

01:57:30.000 I lived in the suburbs.

01:57:31.000 I lived in Newton.

01:57:33.000 It's a suburb of Massachusetts.

01:57:35.000 Okay.

01:57:35.000 Boston.

01:57:36.000 Yeah.

01:57:36.000 Did you live in New Jersey at one point?

01:57:38.000 Yeah, that's where I was born.

01:57:39.000 Oh, yeah.

01:57:39.000 So is my dad.

01:57:40.000 What part?

01:57:42.000 Hillside.

01:57:42.000 Have you seen all these UFOs in New Jersey lately?

01:57:44.000 No.

01:57:45.000 Yeah, like over the last few days, there's been this steady stream.

01:57:50.000 They're not UFOs.

01:57:51.000 They're drones.

01:57:51.000 Oh, I did see something.

01:57:53.000 I think you posted something about the drones or something, right?

01:57:55.000 I don't think I did.

01:57:56.000 Somebody did.

01:57:57.000 But a lot of people have been.

01:57:58.000 But they're not moving in any extraordinary way.

01:58:01.000 They look like drones.

01:58:02.000 They do. 0.99

01:58:03.000 It just looks like a bunch of assholes, thinks it's fun to put drones up everywhere. 0.99

01:58:07.000 But now there's all this weird mythology attached to it, where the governor was saying, sometimes as soon as we put eyes on them, they take off. 0.99

01:58:15.000 Yeah.

01:58:16.000 But if I was a UFO, though, like if I was an alien and I knew that a bunch of people are trying to be smart asses and they're putting these drones in the sky, I'd be like, perfect time to visit.

01:58:26.000 Oh, yeah. 0.98

01:58:27.000 These dipshits won't know the difference. 1.00

01:58:28.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.99

01:58:29.000 I don't have to use my cloaking technology.

01:58:31.000 I could just fly over their head and they're going to assume this is more nonsense.

01:58:35.000 Dude, one of my buddies, he had a friend that sent him a video of some weird stuff going on in the desert, whatever.

01:58:45.000 And it went through, and then he showed it to me, and then it just disappeared.

01:58:51.000 And he was like, the dude he was talking to said it disappeared, but then like, can you have a file that kind of self-destructs?

01:59:00.000 Because it disappeared on his phone too.

01:59:02.000 He's like, how do they take this off?

01:59:04.000 They take this off of my phone.

01:59:07.000 I don't know.

01:59:08.000 I've never heard of a file.

01:59:09.000 Jamie, have you ever heard of a video file that self-destructs? 0.97

01:59:13.000 That's like some Mission Impossible shit. 0.87

01:59:15.000 Yeah, so one could chirp into it. 0.99

01:59:17.000 But it was wild.

01:59:19.000 Remember that?

01:59:19.000 This recording will destroy itself.

01:59:21.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:59:23.000 In 30 seconds.

01:59:24.000 Yeah, it was wild.

01:59:25.000 I wondered, though, could they somehow...

01:59:29.000 Backtrack it where it had been shared?

01:59:32.000 Well, that would be problematic because then they would have access to things on your phone.

01:59:35.000 I doubt that's ever a case.

01:59:37.000 More likely would be they put like a time that someone could watch the video into the video where it's probably still fixable if someone still has it.

01:59:47.000 Well, this dude took the video.

01:59:50.000 And did it on his phone?

01:59:51.000 And did it on his phone and shared it.

01:59:52.000 And then he said one day he just looked into it, looked in his phone, it was gone. 0.98

01:59:56.000 He might be retarded. 1.00

01:59:58.000 Well, that could be the case. 0.90

02:00:00.000 But my buddy's like, it's off my phone too.

02:00:03.000 Yeah, I don't know man. 0.95

02:00:05.000 It might be retarded too. 0.99

02:00:06.000 It's hard to say.

02:00:07.000 It might be real though.

02:00:07.000 I've never heard of that happening though, which I would assume that I would have heard of something like that.

02:00:12.000 Especially with the amount of people that I talk to that are in the UFO world.

02:00:15.000 I've seen a thread on Reddit about a glitch in iOS 17 that might have made some people's videos randomly disappear.

02:00:24.000 Important ones that they wanted.

02:00:26.000 Right.

02:00:26.000 And then they think it's the UFOs.

02:00:28.000 That makes sense.

02:00:29.000 Oh yeah, this doesn't say anything about that.

02:00:30.000 This is just like, why is this happening?

02:00:32.000 Is this happening to anybody else?

02:00:33.000 Okay, Google this.

02:00:35.000 Is it possible to make a self-destructing video that only has a certain amount of plays in it?

02:00:45.000 Oh, that would be cool.

02:00:46.000 Right?

02:00:46.000 Like, maybe you could code it into the video that once this video plays for, you know, whatever, 14 minutes.

02:00:52.000 14 minutes of play, it automatically decodes itself.

02:00:57.000 You know, it randomizes its path.

02:01:00.000 Because it's basically just information, right?

02:01:02.000 Right.

02:01:03.000 Information viewed through a codec.

02:01:05.000 Does it have like a cyclical rate like this many times?

02:01:09.000 Because I know there's certain things like someone will send you something on Instagram and you can watch the video, but then you can't go back and watch it again.

02:01:17.000 Right.

02:01:18.000 Or they send you a voice message and then it just...

02:01:20.000 And it goes away.

02:01:20.000 Yeah, that's how Alex Jones likes to roll.

02:01:22.000 He sends you voice messages and they go away.

02:01:25.000 That's probably a really good idea.

02:01:26.000 For him.

02:01:27.000 Yeah, smart move.

02:01:28.000 Best not to have a paper trail.

02:01:30.000 I don't even know how much of that encrypted messaging stuff works.

02:01:36.000 I know when Tucker was saying that he was organizing that meeting with Putin in Russia and that the government called him up because they knew that he was meeting Putin because they had access to his signal.

02:01:49.000 And he's like, what?

02:01:50.000 You have access to...

02:01:51.000 I didn't even know someone could get into my signal.

02:01:53.000 I thought that was encrypted.

02:01:55.000 Nope.

02:01:56.000 They can get in there.

02:01:57.000 So it's like how much of this stuff is really...

02:02:00.000 How much of it is really encrypted and protected, and how much would they even let you know?

02:02:05.000 If they can break it, why would they even tell you?

02:02:07.000 Well, that's the whole point.

02:02:08.000 It's like, it's exactly what you would say that you couldn't do it.

02:02:11.000 Exactly.

02:02:12.000 Yeah, that's... 0.99

02:02:13.000 But that was, they fucking spilled the beans. 0.98

02:02:15.000 So once they spilled the beans, I know a lot of people, including Elon Musk, started questioning Signal. 0.99

02:02:20.000 So I talked to someone in the government, and I said, can you handle Signal?

02:02:29.000 As long as the state actor knows the phone number was the answer.

02:02:35.000 So all they have to do is know your phone number.

02:02:37.000 So if they know your phone number and you have signal...

02:02:39.000 Game over, boys.

02:02:41.000 I'm sure they probably need to ask somebody if they can do it.

02:02:44.000 It's probably not something they can just do. 0.92

02:02:46.000 But if an agent is like, Bert Soren's acting a little fucking fishy.

02:02:49.000 Let's see what he's signaling to his friends.

02:02:52.000 Yeah, and the opportunity to just decide subjectively if that's a thing.

02:02:58.000 And then whatever you carry in your notes and whatever is in your folders or your photos.

02:03:04.000 They're going to do all kinds of ballistics.

02:03:06.000 For sure. 0.99

02:03:06.000 They've got all this weird crap. 0.99

02:03:09.000 They've got access to all of it. 1.00

02:03:11.000 You got dick pics? 1.00

02:03:12.000 They got dick pics. 1.00

02:03:13.000 All of it. 1.00

02:03:14.000 They have your dick pics. 1.00

02:03:15.000 It's like there's no way around that anymore. 0.99

02:03:17.000 I think that's a myth.

02:03:19.000 The idea that somehow or another you could have some sort of a protection from that happening today.

02:03:27.000 Are you making phone calls?

02:03:28.000 You are.

02:03:28.000 Okay.

02:03:29.000 Are you on a network?

02:03:30.000 Are you on Wi-Fi? 1.00

02:03:32.000 I think you're fucked. 1.00

02:03:34.000 Yeah, you would have to think so. 1.00

02:03:35.000 Yeah.

02:03:36.000 I mean, you'd have to think there's enough back doors and alleged probable causes or however someone wants to spin it.

02:03:43.000 Well, that's also how they got Huawei banned from the United States.

02:03:47.000 Because I remember, you know, I'm a bit of a phone nerd.

02:03:50.000 And back in the day, Huawei had the best phones.

02:03:54.000 Their phones were like way more advanced than some of the American Android phones that were coming out.

02:03:59.000 Yeah, man.

02:04:00.000 They had...

02:04:00.000 Incredible cameras and big battery life and crazy zoom possibilities.

02:04:07.000 And I was looking to get this new Huawei phone.

02:04:10.000 And then Huawei got banned from the United States.

02:04:13.000 And I was like, what?

02:04:13.000 It goes back to anything that's banned, man.

02:04:15.000 It makes you really start questioning.

02:04:18.000 It does, but when they kind of all agree, there was very little pushback that there was real security problems with these phones, and not just phones, but network devices, routers, different components that had third-party entrants.

02:04:38.000 So they had the capability of accessing information that's being transferred back and forth on a network through these routers.

02:04:46.000 And then I think people are like, hey, why is that in there?

02:04:51.000 And then they realize, oh, the Chinese government is in complete cahoots with Huawei.

02:04:55.000 Like, if you own a company like Huawei, you're down with the government.

02:04:59.000 You have to be.

02:05:00.000 That's how you stay in business.

02:05:01.000 You can't be some rebel out there operating on your own, making billions of dollars, creating...

02:05:08.000 Yeah, well, you had Mike Bent.

02:05:09.000 Was it Ben's?

02:05:10.000 That was a wonderful podcast, by the way. 0.97

02:05:12.000 Holy crap. 0.99

02:05:14.000 Eye-opening. 0.97

02:05:15.000 Yeah, I spun that past a couple of my buddies.

02:05:18.000 Actually, it was the same buddy that gave me the Yuri Bezmenov video that I gave you four years ago. 0.98

02:05:23.000 Oh, that fucking video has changed my mind.

02:05:26.000 When you first sent me that, you're the first guy, by the way, ladies and gentlemen, because we played that on this podcast like 30 times. 0.99

02:05:32.000 Yeah, we were at your house.

02:05:33.000 When you played me that, I was like... 1.00

02:05:35.000 Holy shit. 1.00

02:05:36.000 This is exactly what happened. 0.99

02:05:38.000 Yep.

02:05:38.000 I gave it to Jack Carr and Evan Hafer, too.

02:05:41.000 There's no way that was a coincidence.

02:05:43.000 Like, he just guessed it.

02:05:44.000 Right.

02:05:45.000 Yeah.

02:05:45.000 Right.

02:05:45.000 You're like, I'm going to put this next baseball into the third aisle up the thing and crack.

02:05:52.000 Wow, that was cool.

02:05:53.000 Fourth seat from the left.

02:05:54.000 Yeah, you're like, go back and look.

02:05:55.000 So a buddy of mine that's in that world, he gave that to me four or five years ago.

02:05:59.000 He told me, he's like, this keeps getting deleted.

02:06:01.000 And he kind of gives me the whole briefing on a lot of stuff.

02:06:04.000 He kept getting deleted from where?

02:06:06.000 Yeah, off YouTube.

02:06:06.000 He's like, they keep taking it down.

02:06:07.000 No, really?

02:06:08.000 I think, honestly, prior to you and Evan and Jack and guys like that, it was not easy to find.

02:06:14.000 I think you guys just changed the algorithm on it enough.

02:06:17.000 Wow.

02:06:18.000 Which is pretty neat.

02:06:19.000 But that doesn't make any sense, because I'm pretty sure we just found it online.

02:06:22.000 We just found it on YouTube.

02:06:23.000 He told me multiple times, he's like, they've taken this down often.

02:06:29.000 Why would someone take it down?

02:06:30.000 I'm not sure.

02:06:31.000 But I know some of my buddies that were in the teams and stuff like that, they were like, oh, I remember seeing this back in 95 when I went through Buds.

02:06:39.000 Maybe it was Green Team, but they were in that early, early days.

02:06:42.000 Oh, I hadn't seen this video in forever.

02:06:44.000 And then they kind of watched it and were like, oh my gosh, you're kind of getting all the background of that.

02:06:48.000 But he was giving me, I can't remember where I was going with this, but he was giving me some insight, oh, about the Benz.

02:06:54.000 And it was interesting.

02:06:55.000 And I said, I was like, hey, did you check this out?

02:06:57.000 And he's like, yeah.

02:06:57.000 He's like, sounds like he's read a couple of my briefings.

02:07:00.000 I was like, interesting.

02:07:01.000 Mike Benz has got crazy recall, too.

02:07:05.000 Oh my gosh!

02:07:06.000 Yeah, he just, no notes, just spitting out all that information right off the top of his head.

02:07:12.000 You've had some...

02:07:15.000 Amazingly impactful guests on here.

02:07:17.000 I'm not trying to blow you up, but I'm sure you know the impact that you've had on the world, which is probably really wild.

02:07:24.000 It's pretty weird.

02:07:25.000 Pretty weird, right?

02:07:26.000 Pretty weird that I didn't even try.

02:07:27.000 That's the best part about it, right?

02:07:29.000 That's the weirdest part.

02:07:31.000 It was all an accident.

02:07:32.000 It's like 100%.

02:07:33.000 Like I just felt like this is what I should do.

02:07:36.000 I should start a podcast and then I should keep doing it.

02:07:39.000 Even when it was totally non-profitable for like five years, I was like, I like doing it.

02:07:44.000 Let's just keep doing it.

02:07:44.000 But that's how all the good stuff works.

02:07:46.000 Yeah.

02:07:46.000 It's like you're passionate about it.

02:07:47.000 I want to go do this thing.

02:07:49.000 You know, Evan and I have talked.

02:07:50.000 He's like, hey, I make brown water.

02:07:52.000 And I'm like, I make steel rectangles.

02:07:54.000 It's weird.

02:07:57.000 I don't know why we decided to do it.

02:07:59.000 But once you figure out a thing that you're really passionate about, then you'll become successful if you just keep following it.

02:08:06.000 But the thing about the podcast thing was I managed to keep the same spirit of just doing what I enjoy doing.

02:08:13.000 Yes.

02:08:13.000 Like if I could just have conversations with people with no phones and sitting, especially if I could get a scientist to sit in here and explain things to me for three hours, I would have always been interested in doing that.

02:08:23.000 But I just...

02:08:25.000 You can't do that.

02:08:26.000 They won't do it.

02:08:28.000 You have to become friends with them, and you can only be friends with so many of them, you know, and then you have to fly to them and sit down with them.

02:08:35.000 Yeah, you spend all this time, and then you're like, you created a honey trap here.

02:08:37.000 Then you're like, hey, I'll bring everyone here and talk to them.

02:08:39.000 Well, as long as you can guarantee other people are going to listen, people want to talk about anything, which is really weird.

02:08:44.000 It's wild.

02:08:44.000 Like that's the way you can guarantee that you can get them to come as long as they're going to – other people are going to hear it.

02:08:50.000 Right.

02:08:50.000 So then they get to sell books and – Yeah, the whole deal.

02:08:52.000 Yeah, and it's great.

02:08:54.000 But it's just genius that – I just appreciate the illumination on varied ideas.

02:09:04.000 Like I love that there's people on the right, people from the left, people that like this, hate this, like – That is so refreshing.

02:09:10.000 It's good for all of us, too.

02:09:11.000 It is.

02:09:12.000 It's good to hear people even that you don't agree with.

02:09:14.000 Of course.

02:09:15.000 As long as they're nice.

02:09:16.000 That's my...

02:09:17.000 Of course. 0.99

02:09:17.000 I don't want to argue with anybody and get in fucking screaming matches. 0.99

02:09:20.000 There's some people that are... 0.98

02:09:21.000 Like we were talking about earlier, that's how they get engagement, by constantly getting in these...

02:09:27.000 That's why they have those shows, like Pierce Morgan likes to do that, whereas four people on the show, they all yell over each other, and they're all remote, so no one's there.

02:09:34.000 It's like...

02:09:36.000 That sounds horrible.

02:09:37.000 It's horrible.

02:09:38.000 You don't find out nothing.

02:09:40.000 If you could sit down with someone, even if you disagree with them, and just let them talk, you could have a conversation.

02:09:48.000 Find out why they think the way they do.

02:09:50.000 You don't have to fight them on it.

02:09:51.000 Just ask them, what is it about this thing?

02:09:54.000 Yeah, candid and curious, right?

02:09:56.000 Candid as in, I'll actually tell you what I think, and curious, I'll actually care what you think.

02:10:00.000 Yeah, and I always try to think the way they think.

02:10:03.000 If someone's talking to me about a certain thing, like, I will, you know, people are, oh, you'll agree with anybody.

02:10:08.000 I'm like, I kind of will if I can try to see things through your head and I'll try to steel man it for you.

02:10:17.000 Like, if someone is saying something and I go, okay, so you're saying that...

02:10:21.000 But if it's preposterous, I'll stop it.

02:10:24.000 I'll stop it and go, that doesn't make any sense because of this.

02:10:27.000 Like, I can see that you haven't thought this through because...

02:10:30.000 Or you didn't know about that.

02:10:32.000 Or, you know, how could you say this when this is possible?

02:10:36.000 Like, how do you manage those two things?

02:10:38.000 And so few people will push back with...

02:10:40.000 Kind of love, right?

02:10:41.000 Because disagreement doesn't have to mean dismissal.

02:10:44.000 No.

02:10:45.000 And when it does, that's the opposite of love and respect.

02:10:48.000 It's like, no, I don't like you.

02:10:49.000 Well, that's canceling.

02:10:50.000 Well, especially if people get shouty and argue-y.

02:10:53.000 You know, it's like there's a way to do it where you can just talk about stuff and not be dismissive of someone.

02:10:58.000 I mean, I see so many people do it where they have their opinion, like Bill Marlach's do that, like dismiss something someone saying instantaneously as they're in the middle of explaining it.

02:11:09.000 It's kind of a sparring thing.

02:11:11.000 You're trying to win rather than trying to just have a conversation.

02:11:15.000 Try to see if the other guy flinches.

02:11:17.000 Yeah, you're shutting them down. 0.99

02:11:18.000 You're shutting down things you think you're calling bullshit. 0.99

02:11:21.000 It's also a lack of patience, right? 0.93

02:11:23.000 Because sometimes you have to have patience to let someone express themselves fully before you disagree, which is really important because sometimes someone will begin to express themselves and I disagree, but then they'll take it around And give me some nuance and some understanding of how they came to their opinion, then I'll go, okay.

02:11:43.000 Okay, so I see how you...

02:11:45.000 At least I see the track.

02:11:46.000 Yeah.

02:11:47.000 And so it's more important for you for this than it is to acknowledge that.

02:11:51.000 And they're like, yes.

02:11:51.000 I'm like, okay, I understand.

02:11:53.000 So when did you decide that that was...

02:11:54.000 And then I want to go like...

02:11:57.000 I want to know, are you a real thinker or are you a person who has adopted a conglomeration of ideas that comes along with an ideology?

02:12:07.000 So there's really smart people that have done that and they might not even know they've done that until you corner them and then you find like Where did it come?

02:12:15.000 Where's the origin?

02:12:16.000 Trans kids. 0.66

02:12:17.000 There's like occasionally, you know, there's a subject like, make sense of this.

02:12:20.000 You make sense of this.

02:12:21.000 Right.

02:12:21.000 Yeah.

02:12:21.000 Follow it upstream to the source and then go.

02:12:23.000 Make sense of this.

02:12:24.000 And let's acknowledge what a kid is.

02:12:26.000 I want to know how vulnerable you think children are.

02:12:30.000 First of all, I want to know, do you have any?

02:12:31.000 Second of all, I want to know how malleable and suggestible, like how open to suggestion are children in your eyes?

02:12:39.000 I want to know, do you think kids should be able to get tattoos?

02:12:43.000 Do you think kids should be able to get married at five?

02:12:46.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:12:47.000 Yeah.

02:12:48.000 What do you think that they can control and not control?

02:12:51.000 Do you even understand children or are you sacrificing them and their future, these kids that you don't even know, for your ideology, for your ideological position that's like cult-like?

02:13:04.000 And then you find out about people that think they're intelligent until they're confronted with these, like, insurmountable ethical dilemmas.

02:13:13.000 Right.

02:13:13.000 A similar one to, let's say, someone who eats meat but hates hunting.

02:13:17.000 You're like, you could not want to do it, but there's still a killing and a murder at some point, and you could either be a part of that or just outsource it and be okay with it.

02:13:28.000 Well, that's a cultural thing, too, right?

02:13:30.000 There's a lot of people in the UK that don't like hunting.

02:13:33.000 And they eat meat.

02:13:35.000 And they'll tell you.

02:13:37.000 My wife was having a conversation. 0.80

02:13:38.000 She was at a dinner with a bunch of people, and I was out hunting.

02:13:41.000 And this guy was eating a steak.

02:13:43.000 He's like, that's deplorable.

02:13:44.000 She's like, where do you think that came from? 1.00

02:13:46.000 This is so stupid. 1.00

02:13:48.000 You're literally carving a steak while you're saying it's deplorable that someone's out hunting. 1.00

02:13:52.000 Like, we eat those animals.

02:13:54.000 And what is generally—and I've had this conversation a number of times as well.

02:13:57.000 And generally, if folks are candid, curious, and respectful, you can kind of bring them around, right?

02:14:03.000 Yes.

02:14:04.000 Have you had someone that really just dug their heels in?

02:14:06.000 No.

02:14:07.000 No, never really in person.

02:14:08.000 Right.

02:14:09.000 Online, they'll dig their heels in until the cows come home. 1.00

02:14:12.000 But I feel like most people... 1.00

02:14:14.000 This is why talking online sucks. 0.99

02:14:16.000 Yep. 0.96

02:14:17.000 Most people are good people.

02:14:18.000 I really believe that. 1.00

02:14:19.000 Even if they're trapped in their bullshit and wrapped up in their own... 0.99

02:14:25.000 Most people want to be— If given the chance to be good people. 0.99

02:14:28.000 Yeah, and you can kind of help them along to be a good person.

02:14:31.000 You can kind of help them along.

02:14:32.000 They help each other along.

02:14:33.000 Part of an argument is you.

02:14:36.000 I know that there's arguments that I've been in in my life that I could have avoided.

02:14:41.000 If I was more skillful with conversation, and I know that I have avoided a lot of arguments, especially now as a smarter person than I was when I was younger.

02:14:51.000 I'm better at it. 0.99

02:14:52.000 I'm better at just, like, not biting on some bullshit, passive-aggressive, stupid thing that some guy says. 1.00

02:14:59.000 When I was young, if someone got passive-aggressive with me, I'd be like, hey, fuck you. 1.00

02:15:04.000 Like, let's just go to 10. Where's that going? 1.00

02:15:06.000 Let's just go to 10. I don't like how you're talking.

02:15:09.000 Like, I'm not going to sit here at this stupid party and pretend you're not a cunt. 1.00

02:15:13.000 And, you know, there's been many times where, you know, I got dragged out of a situation before things got... 1.00

02:15:18.000 That accelerates things.

02:15:19.000 Yeah, because I'm like, let's just go to 10. You're a piece of shit. 1.00

02:15:22.000 Like, I know what you are. 1.00

02:15:24.000 You're just a shitty person who likes to throw jabs at people when I'm just trying to be nice. 0.99

02:15:28.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:15:28.000 And you also know in your pocket, you know a lot of physical things that could be- That helps. 0.99

02:15:33.000 That definitely helps.

02:15:34.000 But it also, it helps that I know that I'm being nice. 0.94

02:15:36.000 So if I'm nice to you and you're being a cunt to me and I'm trying to be nice to you again, you're just thinking that you can just get away with this. 1.00

02:15:43.000 And that's when I like to go, hey, fuck you. 1.00

02:15:46.000 And you see that look on their face like, oh no. 1.00

02:15:49.000 Yeah, oh no. 1.00

02:15:50.000 You've gone into fuck you land. 1.00

02:15:52.000 Yeah, now we're here. 1.00

02:15:53.000 Yeah, and by the way, emotional pain is something that people think they can get a free slap.

02:15:59.000 They think they can just get off on you and hit you with emotional pain. 0.99

02:16:02.000 Like, if we're playing this let's hurt each other game, how about I just fuck you up? 1.00

02:16:07.000 Like, how about that? 1.00

02:16:08.000 How about I just decide, I'll spend the night in jail.

02:16:11.000 How about that? 1.00

02:16:12.000 How about fuck you? 1.00

02:16:13.000 Because that's what you're doing emotionally. 1.00

02:16:16.000 You're trying to create pain.

02:16:18.000 You're absolutely being abusive.

02:16:20.000 And some people make a habit out of demeaning people to their face, and they think they can get away with it. 0.98

02:16:27.000 It's a really shitty practice.

02:16:29.000 I do appreciate the people who physically put an end to that. 0.80

02:16:33.000 I've never really been like, yeah, you know, I'll do what I need to do, right?

02:16:38.000 But I've never been like, ah, I don't care.

02:16:40.000 I've had a couple days I'm not proud of because I kind of went ahead and hit that throttle.

02:16:47.000 Yeah, most of the time it's avoidable.

02:16:49.000 Yeah, but in some days, unfortunately, you're not in the emotional state and sometimes it is avoidable and you don't avoid.

02:16:54.000 Yeah, that's the thing.

02:16:55.000 Sometimes it is avoidable.

02:16:57.000 I'm so much better at that now.

02:16:59.000 When I was 25, I didn't understand that you don't have to do this.

02:17:04.000 Yeah, I've expressed my emotional immaturity at times.

02:17:08.000 I'm like, yeah, I could have really taken that one a different way.

02:17:11.000 You're thankful.

02:17:12.000 You're like, man, I'm glad that one really didn't go sideways.

02:17:14.000 It's also like it could go terrible and someone would get murdered.

02:17:17.000 I mean, things happen and people can't believe what they did.

02:17:21.000 And then all of a sudden someone's dead.

02:17:22.000 That happens every day in America.

02:17:24.000 Oh, I've had a couple close ones that you just kind of everyone walks away and it's like, whoo, because you get like, it's like, what was that movie like?

02:17:33.000 Sherlock Holmes.

02:17:34.000 Remember when he could see the situations and he like pauses it and you could see like, and when you like pauses and you're like, this would happen, this would happen, this would happen.

02:17:41.000 And then you're like, oh, there's a dead guy.

02:17:43.000 You back it up.

02:17:45.000 You're like, glad that didn't happen.

02:17:46.000 Okay, bye.

02:17:46.000 I'm gone.

02:17:47.000 Bye.

02:17:47.000 Just walk away.

02:17:49.000 You have to learn that.

02:17:50.000 And the problem with young guys is, first of all, their brain's not fully formed.

02:17:54.000 They're impulsive.

02:17:55.000 They do wild things.

02:17:57.000 And then if they feel like they're being slighted, they feel like to be a man, because they want to be a man, you have to do something about it.

02:18:04.000 Well, it's the number one question every man has.

02:18:07.000 Every man has the same question.

02:18:09.000 Am I good enough?

02:18:11.000 That's the wounding, right?

02:18:12.000 And every woman goes, her question is, do you see me?

02:18:16.000 That's exactly it.

02:18:17.000 Do you see me?

02:18:18.000 And a man says, am I good enough?

02:18:20.000 That's why there's sport.

02:18:21.000 That's why there's fighting.

02:18:22.000 That's why people try to make money. 0.65

02:18:24.000 That's why they try to flex on each other.

02:18:26.000 It's the little boy inside all of us going...

02:18:29.000 Am I good enough?

02:18:29.000 Yeah.

02:18:30.000 And then there's the people that get past that and then it becomes this ultimate challenge.

02:18:35.000 Like the ultimate challenge of life is the most difficult puzzle to solve.

02:18:40.000 Yes.

02:18:40.000 And you can solve it above and beyond all these other psychopaths.

02:18:45.000 So you're competing with all these other people that are very much like you, but what separates you from them is the work that you put in, discipline, drive, mindset, whatever it is that you can find that gives you that edge to pull ahead from all these other people that are very, very competitive as well, doing the same thing.

02:19:03.000 And with men, they feed off each other in those environments, like a Westside barbell, a cronk gym. 0.59

02:19:08.000 Yeah, and then when you're wondering that, and then when someone questions it, It's publicly questions in front of your boys or front of whatever.

02:19:16.000 It's like, no, I'll show you I'm good enough. 0.97

02:19:17.000 I'll do something stupid right now and end up in jail. 1.00

02:19:20.000 Especially someone who's just a walking dead man with a mouth. 1.00

02:19:23.000 Right.

02:19:23.000 Like someone who knows they can't defend themselves and so they just feel comfortable doing that publicly because they think they're being protected by society.

02:19:30.000 It's the worst.

02:19:30.000 That's the worst.

02:19:31.000 Yeah.

02:19:32.000 This actual false state of security.

02:19:35.000 Like, man, if we were in the jungle right now, you wouldn't be doing that.

02:19:38.000 Or when women think they can do it. 1.00

02:19:40.000 When women get mouthy with men, like, don't do it. 1.00

02:19:43.000 Why?

02:19:43.000 When I was, I think I was 16 or 17 years old, I was in high school, and there was this kid that moved into the neighborhood.

02:19:49.000 He came from Iran, and his family had a lot of money.

02:19:52.000 And so they had this, I think it was in Beacon Hill, I forget where it was, but it was a really nice neighborhood. 0.99

02:19:58.000 And this kid had this giant fucking house on this huge lawn. 0.99

02:20:03.000 So he decided to have a party. 1.00

02:20:05.000 Of course.

02:20:05.000 So this is how he's going to make friends.

02:20:07.000 He just moved here from another country, right?

02:20:08.000 Right. 0.99

02:20:09.000 So he has a party and kids from every fucking high school came to this party. 0.99

02:20:14.000 And I was at the party with a bunch of my friends and I was walking up the staircase. 0.99

02:20:20.000 I'll never forget this.

02:20:21.000 So I'm walking up the staircase and then, you know, so it's like right here in front of me while this is going down.

02:20:26.000 I can't remember what the girl did.

02:20:29.000 She either slapped this guy or she threw a drink in his face. 1.00

02:20:32.000 I can't remember which one it was.

02:20:34.000 Some offense.

02:20:35.000 But I remember he uncorked a right hand like Roberto Duran.

02:20:41.000 This dude threw a right hand like he knew how to punch.

02:20:44.000 Because I knew how to punch, so I watched and I'm like, oh, good mechanics.

02:20:49.000 The dude just went like this, just blap! 0.54

02:20:52.000 Just hit her on the chin. 1.00

02:20:54.000 Her head snaps back.

02:20:56.000 A guy catches her.

02:20:58.000 She goes out, and then it's bedlam.

02:21:02.000 It's bedlam.

02:21:03.000 I mean, people are fighting left and right.

02:21:05.000 There's people fighting in the stairwell.

02:21:07.000 I had to run out.

02:21:08.000 There's piles of guys out on the lawn.

02:21:10.000 It spread like a disease.

02:21:12.000 It was like within 30 seconds.

02:21:13.000 How did you decide to hit this guy because of that?

02:21:16.000 It was screaming, and then screaming, started people screaming at the people screaming, which people were fighting the people that were screaming.

02:21:22.000 It was the wildest thing.

02:21:24.000 It was like a disease ran through the house, like World War Z, where everybody's like, ah!

02:21:30.000 And I managed to not have any fights.

02:21:32.000 A couple of my friends got in fights.

02:21:33.000 Like one of the better fighters there.

02:21:35.000 But I was never interested in street fighting.

02:21:37.000 I'm like, let me get out of here.

02:21:38.000 I know what this is.

02:21:40.000 I understand danger.

02:21:42.000 So I got out there.

02:21:44.000 But I'll never forget that.

02:21:45.000 That girl thought she could hit that guy or do whatever she did. 1.00

02:21:48.000 I forget what she thought.

02:21:49.000 I wish I could remember.

02:21:50.000 All I remember, because it's like 30, how many years ago was that?

02:21:54.000 40 years ago?

02:21:55.000 That's a while ago.

02:21:57.000 Oh my God, it's 40 years ago.

02:21:58.000 Yeah.

02:21:59.000 So it was like this.

02:22:00.000 Blap! 0.99

02:22:01.000 I mean, just fucking, I'll never forget that, man. 0.99

02:22:04.000 Horrible to laugh at it, because she forgot a lot of things that night. 0.99

02:22:07.000 She definitely forgot.

02:22:08.000 She might be listening to podcasts now.

02:22:09.000 The third grade.

02:22:10.000 Yeah, she was probably like, that's me!

02:22:11.000 I still can't talk!

02:22:14.000 For sure got a broken face.

02:22:15.000 I mean, he hit her so hard, and her head snapped back. 0.89

02:22:19.000 She had no idea she was gonna get punched by a big guy who knew how to punch. 1.00

02:22:24.000 But he was like, hey, fuck you! 1.00

02:22:26.000 Like, he just got the wrong guy with like three Millers in him, and he just uncorked one. 1.00

02:22:31.000 Probably not the first time that guy.

02:22:32.000 Probably not the first guy he hit a check.

02:22:34.000 Yeah.

02:22:35.000 Because the way he did it was like, he didn't slap her.

02:22:37.000 You know, he didn't slap her.

02:22:38.000 That's a scary one.

02:22:39.000 He could have just slapped her or pushed her or something.

02:22:42.000 You didn't have to KO her.

02:22:44.000 But there's women that think that they can just go up to a guy and yell because they're protected by society. 1.00

02:22:51.000 There's fucking psychos out there. 1.00

02:22:52.000 It just goes back to be nice. 1.00

02:22:54.000 Yes.

02:22:55.000 Be nice, man.

02:22:56.000 Be nice. 1.00

02:22:57.000 But it's like, you motherfucker, I'll fucking kick, I'll fucking kill you. 1.00

02:22:59.000 Like, hey, hey, hey, hey. 1.00

02:23:02.000 Yeah.

02:23:02.000 Hey.

02:23:03.000 I've been backed up a couple times with the bumps on the chest, and it's like, all right, all right, all right.

02:23:08.000 Then you're like backed against a car, like at a tailgate or something.

02:23:11.000 You're like...

02:23:12.000 Yeah.

02:23:14.000 And when you say, don't touch me, it gets hot, and then it's like, they might just touch you, because you said, don't touch me, and I'm telling you, don't touch me, and then you have to touch them, and then, oh, you're assaulting me.

02:23:27.000 Like, no, no, no, you're still talking, so I haven't assaulted you.

02:23:30.000 If I assaulted you, this would be over super quick. 0.93

02:23:33.000 Right.

02:23:33.000 So let's not do that.

02:23:34.000 Yep.

02:23:35.000 That happened to me in D.C. I was walking with my wife, and it's during when everything was popping off.

02:23:42.000 Oh.

02:23:43.000 Big, big time.

02:23:44.000 Oh.

02:23:44.000 Big, big time.

02:23:45.000 People got real mouthy.

02:23:46.000 Real, real.

02:23:48.000 And we're walking through, and of course, truth be told, I'm walking through, my wife looks like a Viking also, and we're walking through D.C. during the height of everything.

02:23:56.000 Height of everything.

02:23:58.000 No mask because I'm outside and I'm a sovereign individual and screw that.

02:24:04.000 And a whole chattering group of a certain population of, you know, well, it's Antifa.

02:24:11.000 And so they're, rah, rah, rah.

02:24:13.000 And I just said, I'm not going to stop walking.

02:24:15.000 Please move out of my way. 0.97

02:24:17.000 You know, F you, F this, that, that.

02:24:20.000 Meanwhile, you did nothing. 0.73

02:24:21.000 I literally was walking across and they were 40 yards from me and ran across the street to come yell at me like a bark.

02:24:28.000 Have you ever seen like a bear or a wild boar gets like bayed by dogs and they're all like...

02:24:33.000 Yeah.

02:24:34.000 And we're just walking and it's like, okay, please.

02:24:37.000 And we're trying to get to my hotel and there's a cop because they boarded everything off because everything was crazy.

02:24:41.000 It was like the four big groups were all doing the deal that weekend.

02:24:45.000 And I was like, my hotel's right there.

02:24:47.000 Sorry.

02:24:47.000 I said, sir, do you think I really want to deal with this?

02:24:50.000 Like, like in there, everyone has their cameras out because they're like, big guy's going to smoke somebody.

02:24:54.000 Right.

02:24:55.000 And there's a whole deal.

02:24:56.000 Yeah.

02:24:56.000 And then finally, actually one of them was chirping at me.

02:24:59.000 She fell down and tripped over something.

02:25:01.000 And I helped her up because this is what you do.

02:25:05.000 And then, get your hands off. 1.00

02:25:06.000 I was like, okay, man, can I please get to my hands?

02:25:09.000 Like, this is a thing.

02:25:11.000 And then they played music all night until 7 in the morning right outside of our hotel just to make sure that no one slept.

02:25:17.000 It was a wonderful time.

02:25:18.000 Fun times.

02:25:19.000 It was a great time.

02:25:19.000 Whatever happened to Law& Order?

02:25:21.000 Why do people think that was a good thing? 0.99

02:25:23.000 There were so many goofy motherfuckers that didn't want people mad at them, so they started yelling out, defund the police. 0.99

02:25:29.000 They started getting on board with it. 0.99

02:25:31.000 Even Kamala Harris posted, defund the police.

02:25:34.000 Like, I mean, defund the police on Twitter.

02:25:36.000 Yeah, like, when is this a good idea ever to, like, kind of cancel anyway?

02:25:40.000 Like, besides like someone that hurts children, like after that, kind of do what you want to do, right?

02:25:44.000 Well, that's not even a canceling thing.

02:25:46.000 That was just people that decided that there was an enemy out there.

02:25:49.000 I say this, that like protests are too much like war.

02:25:54.000 You're on the ground, and you're marching around with a bunch of people yelling.

02:25:57.000 You all have a cause, and you're all moving as one group.

02:26:00.000 It's too much like war.

02:26:01.000 I think there's triggers. 0.99

02:26:04.000 That's why mob mentality exists, because you've got to be able to kill people if some shit's going down if you're at war. 0.99

02:26:09.000 Because it escalates. 0.99

02:26:10.000 Right.

02:26:11.000 There's a mode that people snap into.

02:26:13.000 It's called mob mentality.

02:26:14.000 Why does it exist?

02:26:15.000 It exists because at certain points in history, we have gone to war with other groups of people on the ground.

02:26:22.000 And I think that's built into your psyche.

02:26:25.000 And I think it's just like catching a fish.

02:26:27.000 You know how you catch a fish?

02:26:28.000 Like if no one's ever caught a fish before, you catch it, you get so excited.

02:26:32.000 I think it's because your brain is hardwired to know that that fish is going to feed you.

02:26:36.000 And that's why it's exciting.

02:26:38.000 And you're hardwired to know that if you're yelling and you meet an opposing group, those are the bad people.

02:26:43.000 And you're looking for people that are opposing groups because you've got power.

02:26:47.000 There's a bunch of you. 0.99

02:26:48.000 Yeah, you're a bunch of bullies. 0.99

02:26:50.000 You're rolling deep. 1.00

02:26:50.000 And you find that fucking white guy with the beard and you're like, he's the enemy. 1.00

02:26:55.000 It was wild. 1.00

02:26:56.000 It was wild.

02:26:57.000 But it was like an open door to this psyche that has always existed.

02:27:03.000 That mob mentality has always been a thing. 0.99

02:27:05.000 And if you open that door and you allow it to stay open and you don't do something to close it with law and order, you have fucking madness. 0.99

02:27:13.000 You have madness. 0.99

02:27:14.000 And we had that.

02:27:14.000 We had that on the streets.

02:27:15.000 In certain places in this country, for months at a time, it was fucking chaotic. 0.99

02:27:20.000 Bonkers. 0.99

02:27:21.000 Yeah.

02:27:21.000 It was actually pretty cool in my...

02:27:22.000 I don't want to say none of that world was cool.

02:27:25.000 But during my town, they started burning stuff and everything like that.

02:27:30.000 And my sheriff, he's a friend of mine, he's like, yeah, we shut that down fast.

02:27:34.000 I was like, what happened?

02:27:35.000 Someone threw a brick.

02:27:36.000 I got center mass with a beanbag.

02:27:40.000 Period.

02:27:40.000 First time.

02:27:41.000 And I go, how long did that take?

02:27:42.000 He goes, we haven't had a problem since.

02:27:44.000 I was like, perfect!

02:27:45.000 And that's kind.

02:27:46.000 It's being kind.

02:27:47.000 Even a beanbag is being kind.

02:27:48.000 Yeah, a severe punishment, really fast, generally trains people pretty quickly.

02:27:53.000 And then it's like, alright, our town went back to being cool.

02:27:56.000 Everyone was fine.

02:27:56.000 Yeah, there's no reason for it.

02:27:58.000 It's crazy how quickly it all boiled over.

02:28:02.000 It was all these events happening together at the same time, right?

02:28:05.000 The COVID, the lockdowns, the anger.

02:28:08.000 Everybody got real weird because everybody was just locked in their home for months at a time.

02:28:12.000 And then the George Floyd thing and the public outrage and the people on the street and then people were encouraging it and funding it.

02:28:19.000 There were certain groups that were encouraging it, organizing it and funding it.

02:28:24.000 And they got money from people to do it.

02:28:26.000 And they had pallets of bricks that were conveniently located on the street.

02:28:30.000 All that stuff's real.

02:28:31.000 Oh yeah.

02:28:31.000 Yeah, no, we saw it.

02:28:33.000 It was remarkable to see it in real time.

02:28:36.000 That's why it's crazy having a guy like Mike Benz lay out how it all is going down.

02:28:41.000 And you think, oh, it's all organic.

02:28:43.000 People are fed up.

02:28:44.000 Uh-uh.

02:28:44.000 No.

02:28:45.000 No, there's a bunch of people that are profiting off of this.

02:28:48.000 Yes.

02:28:49.000 They want this to take place.

02:28:51.000 They want to be able to push new laws through.

02:28:53.000 They want to be able to grip tighter, tighter control on censorship.

02:28:58.000 These social media companies have to pay.

02:29:00.000 They're responsible for this.

02:29:02.000 No, no, no. 1.00

02:29:03.000 You fucking funded it. 1.00

02:29:04.000 You fucking funded it with tax money that was filtered through NGOs, you cocksuckers. 1.00

02:29:09.000 You guys are a part of this. 1.00

02:29:11.000 You want this to happen.

02:29:12.000 Right.

02:29:12.000 That's where everyone's just like, everyone just pause.

02:29:15.000 Yeah.

02:29:15.000 Just like pump the brakes.

02:29:16.000 If he feels like, what was that song by Iron Maiden?

02:29:20.000 Yeah.

02:29:21.000 I can't remember, but it speeds up at the end.

02:29:26.000 That's what it felt like the last four years, especially during 2020. I was like, no, this is the end of like Paranoid or whatever it was.

02:29:32.000 And it just sped up and you're like, oh, is this how the end of the story goes?

02:29:36.000 Like as in humanity?

02:29:37.000 It could be.

02:29:38.000 Yeah.

02:29:39.000 I think we got a taste of what's possible, but I also think it was horrible.

02:29:44.000 Anybody who lost someone, anybody where it all went down, I think it was horrible.

02:29:48.000 Don't get me wrong.

02:29:48.000 But I also think we're lucky.

02:29:51.000 Yes.

02:29:51.000 Because we got to see it.

02:29:53.000 It's horrible if you lost your business.

02:29:55.000 It's horrible if you got forced to get vaccinated.

02:29:57.000 All those things are horrible.

02:29:58.000 But we got to see... 1.00

02:30:01.000 How many people are fucking cowards? 0.99

02:30:02.000 We got to see how many people fold as soon as there any sort of external pressure from either their surround or how many people got forced into it by their job. 0.99

02:30:12.000 We got to see that and we got to see how there are unscrupulous groups in power That will coerce people to do things that are not scientific, they're not ethical, they're not moral, if they can profit off of it. 0.96

02:30:26.000 And we got to see that, that they will use you as a human fucking ATM machine and they will figure out a way to maximize their profits and maximize their control. 0.95

02:30:36.000 So now we know. 0.99

02:30:37.000 So now we know.

02:30:37.000 So now you can't think that the world is some sort of 1950s movie where the good guys wear the white hats and the bad guys wear the black hats.

02:30:45.000 You got to realize, like, there's a lot of... 0.96

02:30:48.000 Human interest shit going on, and humans have a certain interest in getting control over money and over people, and they do it whenever they can. 0.83

02:30:57.000 And if they can do it through the guise of being progressive and kind, or if they can do it through the guise of, you know, whatever, pull yourself up by your bootstraps, whatever it is, they find a way to rationalize these very specific patterns of behavior That the founding fathers of this country fought against when they created the Bill of Rights and they created the Constitution. 0.98

02:31:18.000 They did all that knowing that these human nature, these human instincts exist.

02:31:24.000 Yeah.

02:31:24.000 It'll keep charting back down to this eventually.

02:31:27.000 It's like, hold on.

02:31:28.000 People are people and people are going to do people stuff.

02:31:31.000 And every time they pass something like the Patriot Act or the Patriot Act 2, they just chip away at that.

02:31:36.000 They're chipping away at that.

02:31:37.000 And it's their job to do that in their mind.

02:31:40.000 It shouldn't be because there's not enough oversight of them.

02:31:43.000 That's the problem. 0.98

02:31:44.000 This is the whole concept of the deep state, which was always like such a stupid conspiracy theory for the longest time. 0.98

02:31:51.000 People are like, oh, you're worried about the deep state? 0.99

02:31:53.000 Until you are.

02:31:54.000 Until you're like, oh my god, it's real.

02:31:56.000 Oh my god.

02:31:57.000 How did that kid get on that roof? 0.99

02:32:00.000 How did he walk around with a fucking rangefinder like we were talking about before? 1.00

02:32:05.000 Rangefinders? 0.99

02:32:06.000 Yeah, that's what he had. 1.00

02:32:07.000 That's why you use those folks, for fucking shooting people. 1.00

02:32:09.000 He's not golfing. 1.00

02:32:10.000 The whole thing was nuts.

02:32:12.000 The whole thing was nuts.

02:32:12.000 And we were all just sitting there going, oh, the deep state's real.

02:32:18.000 Like, oh, someone did something here.

02:32:21.000 How did his apartment get professionally scrubbed?

02:32:24.000 Are there a team of people that are actually organizing something like this?

02:32:29.000 Has this happened before?

02:32:30.000 Why won't they release the Kennedy files? 0.99

02:32:32.000 He died How many fucking years ago? 0.99

02:32:34.000 1963? 1.00

02:32:35.000 Yeah.

02:32:36.000 How?

02:32:36.000 Why?

02:32:37.000 That's 61 years ago.

02:32:39.000 How about you release that?

02:32:41.000 Hey! 0.99

02:32:42.000 Like, or...

02:32:43.000 Hey, how about you guys release that?

02:32:45.000 Yeah, or there's maybe a reason?

02:32:48.000 Yeah.

02:32:48.000 Do you think that stuff's gonna...

02:32:49.000 I mean, do you think like...

02:32:50.000 61 years is not a lot of time, though.

02:32:51.000 That's a good point.

02:32:52.000 Like, maybe we should wait another 60. Makes sense, right?

02:32:56.000 People aren't ready yet.

02:32:58.000 They're not ready yet.

02:32:59.000 I've thought about that a lot.

02:33:01.000 I want to know, right?

02:33:03.000 I want to see behind all the scenes.

02:33:04.000 I want to see the Epstein's, the Diddy's, the Kinney's.

02:33:08.000 Cash Patel says his first day, day one.

02:33:10.000 Let's go.

02:33:11.000 That's what he says.

02:33:12.000 Let's see it.

02:33:12.000 If they get him in there...

02:33:13.000 What a stud, right?

02:33:15.000 Oh, man.

02:33:16.000 If you are the deep state...

02:33:17.000 What picks?

02:33:17.000 You know what he said he wanted to do?

02:33:18.000 He would close Langley and make it a museum of the deep state.

02:33:25.000 This is the first thing he said he would do.

02:33:27.000 And then just reorganize everything and say, now go back to chasing criminals.

02:33:32.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:33:32.000 And stop attacking the fucking citizens. 1.00

02:33:34.000 Stop spying on people, you fucking weirdos. 1.00

02:33:37.000 I'm so pumped about him and Tulsi. 0.99

02:33:40.000 And like, there's just such an awesome group of people that are just- It's certainly interesting.

02:33:44.000 I mean, it's- I'm even excited about the way Trump is doing interviews now.

02:33:48.000 It's like he's become a wiser person in interviews.

02:33:52.000 He did this interview with this lady from, I think it was NBC. The recent one that he did was over an hour.

02:33:58.000 But even when he was talking to her, she was saying things.

02:34:00.000 He's like, you know, you would be so much better if you weren't so biased.

02:34:03.000 That's what he said to her.

02:34:04.000 It was like a kind way of saying it to her.

02:34:06.000 Do you think he always had that and he's just so intelligent and he's playing different cards at different times?

02:34:11.000 I think he's realizing that part of the problem is not just the resistance that he faced, but his reaction to the resistance.

02:34:19.000 And he still slips sometimes, like he tweets out, I hate Taylor Swift.

02:34:24.000 Oh my gosh.

02:34:25.000 Which I thought was hilarious.

02:34:27.000 I couldn't stop laughing when I saw that.

02:34:29.000 I just love irrational tweeters.

02:34:31.000 Right, right.

02:34:32.000 I mean, at what point is the incoming president going to just dunk on somebody?

02:34:36.000 Well, he wasn't winning yet.

02:34:38.000 I think he was freaking out, you know?

02:34:39.000 I honestly think he was freaking out.

02:34:41.000 You think?

02:34:41.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, because they were doing a PSYOP, and they were all of a sudden making it seem like Kamala Harris was the dream that we'd always been looking for.

02:34:51.000 And they were tricking people who recognized that she was an unpopular vice president just three weeks ago, and everybody was all of a sudden on board.

02:35:00.000 Yeah, that was spun around fast.

02:35:02.000 Jesus, it was wild to watch.

02:35:03.000 But that was another thing, like, if you can learn from it, look, we got through it, it didn't work, but you should learn that the government will organize to do that to protect their position of power.

02:35:13.000 Because here's what's up.

02:35:15.000 The people that are in power, and we're not even saying they're evil, I'm not saying anything bad about them, but the people in the administration that's there currently, They're all going to lose their jobs, okay?

02:35:24.000 Or they keep their jobs.

02:35:25.000 So if they can keep their jobs, what's the way we keep our job?

02:35:28.000 The way we keep our job is we present her as the best option possible.

02:35:33.000 Even if they don't think that's true, they have a vested interest.

02:35:37.000 You're talking about thousands of people that are in control of these very organizations that were going after social media and were getting them to take down factual information because it was dangerous to their narrative.

02:35:49.000 So they have already shown that they don't have ethics. 0.96

02:35:52.000 They have already shown that they don't give a fuck about freedom of speech and the First Amendment. 0.99

02:35:56.000 What they want is to keep their fucking job and keep power and also not get in trouble for some of the shit they did that was maybe illegal, which we wouldn't even have known about if Elon didn't buy Twitter. 0.99

02:36:07.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:36:08.000 I mean, I agree.

02:36:09.000 I think the Elon buy on Twitter was like that...

02:36:11.000 It's a game changer.

02:36:12.000 The game changer.

02:36:13.000 The fork in the road for civilization.

02:36:15.000 Yeah.

02:36:15.000 It's wild to think, isn't it?

02:36:16.000 Marc Andreessen has said there's two forks in the road.

02:36:18.000 There's one, Elon buys Twitter, and two, Trump turns his head and doesn't get shot.

02:36:23.000 Those are the two.

02:36:25.000 Yeah. 0.96

02:36:25.000 If those two things don't happen, who fucking knows where we are? 0.96

02:36:29.000 I don't disagree. 0.92

02:36:30.000 And you look at those both scenarios or both...

02:36:33.000 Like, one in a million, like, how would, A, the Trump, like, Trump turns his head, like, that's wild.

02:36:39.000 Right.

02:36:39.000 But then, like, how would a guy like Elon exist, first of all, in our lifetime?

02:36:44.000 Right.

02:36:44.000 What are the odds?

02:36:45.000 What are the odds, right, that has the vehicle of Twitter or, you know, and all the things line up. 0.99

02:36:52.000 Not just has the vehicle, has so much fuck you money. 0.99

02:36:56.000 Right. 0.99

02:36:56.000 That he's willing to blow $44 billion on something that's worth $200 billion, maybe. 0.99

02:37:02.000 Right.

02:37:02.000 Or rather 20 billion, maybe.

02:37:05.000 So one of the things that, like there's this narrative, like he's such a bad businessman, Twitter is worth 20 billion dollars less than when he purchased it.

02:37:12.000 No, no, no.

02:37:13.000 It was never worth that much.

02:37:14.000 He overpaid for it.

02:37:15.000 He overpaid for it on purpose.

02:37:17.000 Knowingly.

02:37:17.000 Yeah, knowingly.

02:37:19.000 He just wanted to take control of this fucking thing that has always been so important to us, which is the First Amendment. 0.98

02:37:27.000 Here's my favorite. 0.98

02:37:28.000 People keep saying, I keep seeing this where people that go over to Blue Sky, they keep saying, What Elon's done is highlight right-wing voices and accentuate, and Twitter is overrun by right-wing now.

02:37:42.000 No, no, no.

02:37:42.000 No.

02:37:43.000 This is actually representative of the real country, which is 50-50.

02:37:49.000 This is what you never had before, because conservative voices were always censored.

02:37:54.000 So now, conservative voices and progressive voices coexist, and the progressive voices who are the babies Don't like it because now they have people that think completely different from them and they can't stop them.

02:38:06.000 They're used to silence them.

02:38:08.000 You used to not be able to say anything about certain things.

02:38:12.000 You would get kicked off and now you could fully express yourself.

02:38:15.000 Sure.

02:38:16.000 And you're finding out there's people you agree with, there's people you disagree with.

02:38:20.000 That is the world. 0.96

02:38:21.000 The world is not some fucked up echo chamber where if you say, you know, a man is never a woman, you get banned for life. 0.97

02:38:31.000 That happened to my friend Megan Murphy. 0.99

02:38:32.000 She got banned for life because she said a man is never a woman, which is biologically true. 1.00

02:38:38.000 But they were like, no, that's transphobic.

02:38:41.000 For life.

02:38:42.000 Forever.

02:38:43.000 Bye.

02:38:44.000 So they don't want any narrative contrary to what they have accepted as doctrine. 0.99

02:38:50.000 And that's what's so fucked up. 0.98

02:38:52.000 remaining dogmatic in the face of alternate information. 1.00

02:38:54.000 And pushed, pushed by the government.

02:38:57.000 This is what's really important.

02:38:59.000 And again, that's where you kind of look back and go, if something is being pushed by anyone, follow the money, follow the track.

02:39:04.000 Like, why?

02:39:05.000 What's the point?

02:39:06.000 So they're doing it under the guise of being progressive.

02:39:08.000 So this is why they think it's worth doing.

02:39:11.000 It's like if you can allow the government to censor you under the guise of them being on the good side, then you're lost because then you've bought into this nonsense and

02:39:22.000 And you have, if you just looked at it objectively, you have people that are still supporting the military-industrial complex, still supporting overthrowing democratically elected governments and other countries, still the same shit that you hated about the right, and that same government, you've let them into your home and you let them control this most important platform of free speech in the world.

02:39:44.000 Because you think they're doing it for your side, which is a good thing. 0.71

02:39:49.000 Meanwhile, they're drone bombing people in Yemen. 0.99

02:39:51.000 They don't give a fuck about you. 1.00

02:39:53.000 This is so stupid. 1.00

02:39:54.000 They're just trying to stay in power. 1.00

02:39:55.000 And they knew that they were going to lose power if that Hunter Biden laptop got out. 1.00

02:40:00.000 They're like, we're fucked. 0.99

02:40:01.000 This could cost us 10 million votes. 0.99

02:40:02.000 And the wild part is, I guess because it's after the fact, but it doesn't seem like that whole thing really, really changed the scoreboard.

02:40:10.000 The Hunter Biden laptop thing?

02:40:12.000 I think it did.

02:40:13.000 I think it did.

02:40:14.000 I don't think enough people were talking about it.

02:40:17.000 They didn't know.

02:40:19.000 First of all, where do people find out things?

02:40:22.000 Most people are not finding out things through the newspaper.

02:40:24.000 They're finding out things through social media.

02:40:26.000 And if you can block it on social media, they don't find out about it.

02:40:29.000 Of course.

02:40:30.000 There's so many things I talk to people about that's kind of in our world, like, just everyone knows this stuff.

02:40:35.000 And I'll talk to people just on the street, whatever.

02:40:37.000 They have no idea.

02:40:39.000 Yeah, most people don't have any idea.

02:40:40.000 And that's where I started going, oh, there's different narratives being spun to different algorithmic groups because we're all in the Truman Show, our own little Truman Show.

02:40:49.000 100%.

02:40:50.000 And we all think that we know what's going on.

02:40:52.000 And I'm like, hey, guys.

02:40:53.000 We all have our different scoreboard somehow that's been put up, so let's just question the scoreboard for a minute.

02:40:59.000 And learn how to communicate with people you disagree with.

02:41:01.000 And this is the problem with these people that wanted all the right-wing voices banned from Twitter.

02:41:06.000 Like, hey guys, that's bad for you.

02:41:08.000 It's bad for you.

02:41:10.000 Yes.

02:41:10.000 And it's bad for your own objectivity, your own understanding of the world.

02:41:15.000 Even if someone's wildly incorrect, if they're wildly wrong, you need to be able to know that people do think that way.

02:41:24.000 It's good for you.

02:41:25.000 Yeah, make a good point.

02:41:26.000 Let's listen.

02:41:27.000 I enjoy talking to people from all over, much like yourself.

02:41:31.000 I've stupidly got into some DMs with people who just hit me up and they're like, hey, I'll ride the ride.

02:41:40.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:41:40.000 And I'll ask questions and this and that and the other. 0.97

02:41:42.000 But it was very illuminating.

02:41:44.000 Like, oh, wow, you're looking at a totally different scoreboard, a totally different game clock, a whole different thing.

02:41:50.000 And it makes me at least question myself and go, well, maybe I'm watching.

02:41:53.000 I'm the crazy one.

02:41:54.000 Maybe I'm...

02:41:55.000 No, they're just a Cowboys fan.

02:41:56.000 They're a Cowboys fan.

02:41:58.000 The Cowboys can do no wrong. 1.00

02:42:00.000 And you're like, fuck you. 1.00

02:42:01.000 I like the Raiders. 1.00

02:42:02.000 Like, whatever it is.

02:42:03.000 Show you guys.

02:42:04.000 That's what it is.

02:42:04.000 It's teams for people who don't believe in sports.

02:42:06.000 And that's politics for a lot of those fuckers. 1.00

02:42:09.000 A lot of those fuckers are not into sports. 1.00

02:42:12.000 Or competition. 1.00

02:42:13.000 See, I've always been super reluctant to the whole team thing in the first place because... 0.99

02:42:19.000 When I stopped playing baseball and I started fighting, one of the reasons why I did it was like, I didn't like that little Billy can drop the ball and I'm a fucking loser. 0.99

02:42:26.000 Oh, I get it. 0.98

02:42:27.000 I didn't like that.

02:42:28.000 I get it.

02:42:28.000 I like to rely on myself.

02:42:30.000 I've never played a team sport.

02:42:31.000 The most relying on myself to me was like fighting.

02:42:34.000 I was like, we're the same weight.

02:42:37.000 There's no trickery.

02:42:38.000 You're like, three, two, one, go.

02:42:39.000 You're like, are you ready?

02:42:41.000 Are you ready?

02:42:41.000 Go.

02:42:42.000 It was like so simple to me.

02:42:43.000 Like, this is what I'm looking for.

02:42:44.000 This is like competition that makes sense to me.

02:42:49.000 Joining a group of people and all of their opinions I have to agree with.

02:42:55.000 That's horrendous to me.

02:42:57.000 What are the odds they're going to be right?

02:43:00.000 Even in fighting, so many people are so wrong in their ideas.

02:43:04.000 There's guys in the gym that I'll hear them giving advice like, you don't need submissions, you just want to learn submission defense.

02:43:10.000 What are you talking about?

02:43:12.000 Don't tell him that. 1.00

02:43:13.000 You should shut the fuck up. 1.00

02:43:15.000 And this guy's a trained fighter in a gym. 1.00

02:43:17.000 He's telling people, you just need submission defense.

02:43:19.000 No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

02:43:21.000 You need to learn how to do it so you can even defend it correctly.

02:43:24.000 Right.

02:43:24.000 Just even know what's out there.

02:43:25.000 Right.

02:43:25.000 That's like listening to the other side.

02:43:27.000 Right.

02:43:27.000 It's like, hey, tell me why you believe X, Y, and Z that I think is absurd, but yeah, give me – oh, wow.

02:43:33.000 Okay. 0.97

02:43:33.000 Well, now I realize you're crazy, but at least I know. 0.97

02:43:36.000 It's also – Like, who are you training with where you don't think that works? 0.94

02:43:42.000 Like, why don't you go train with Fabrizio Verdum and then tell me you should learn your guard?

02:43:46.000 You don't know what you're talking about. 0.98

02:43:47.000 You're talking nonsense.

02:43:49.000 You're saying something from this very narrow-minded perspective, like, you can only learn so many skills.

02:43:55.000 No.

02:43:55.000 You should learn the whole thing.

02:43:57.000 And if you can't learn the whole thing, you're in the wrong game. 0.98

02:44:00.000 Because these kids that are coming up, guarantee you that, I watch some of these kids that are coming up in the amateur ranks, and the kids that are fighting in the UK, and they're gonna make their way in the UFC, these motherfuckers are complete. 0.98

02:44:10.000 And they're like 18. Some of these kids that are fighting in one FC, they're like 17, 18 years old, and they're complete.

02:44:17.000 They can do everything.

02:44:18.000 Like, you better learn how to do everything.

02:44:20.000 Yeah, you're gonna meet that guy.

02:44:22.000 Yeah, that guy's out there.

02:44:23.000 And otherwise, you're in the wrong game.

02:44:25.000 And if you're giving advice saying, you don't need to learn that, like, oh.

02:44:29.000 Well, that's a good, like, if you're ever giving advice that someone doesn't need to expand their horizons, like, that's just wrong.

02:44:34.000 Right, but imagine if that guy's your coach.

02:44:35.000 And imagine you have a team. 0.99

02:44:37.000 And everyone on the team has to believe that submissions are bullshit. 0.99

02:44:39.000 That's just building that same narrative. 0.99

02:44:41.000 Yes.

02:44:42.000 Right.

02:44:42.000 And then you get trapped with all these meatheads that think it's just all about ground and pound.

02:44:46.000 And then you get triangled every weekend.

02:44:48.000 You're like, I'm tired of getting triangles.

02:44:49.000 Yeah.

02:44:49.000 Well, it's the same tribalism and strength conditioning, too.

02:44:53.000 You either get guys that are like, oh, all the powerlifting moves, that's all you got to do.

02:44:56.000 Bench squat, bench squat, deadlift. 1.00

02:44:57.000 And it's like, oh, the other guys, Olympic lift, you got to snatch, clean and jerk and everything else is stupid. 1.00

02:45:02.000 You're like, okay, guys. 1.00

02:45:04.000 And I used to joke.

02:45:05.000 I was like, I can look at your shoes and I can tell you what tribe you're in and what music you probably listen to.

02:45:10.000 What are the shoes that you look at?

02:45:13.000 Converse All-Stars.

02:45:14.000 A lot of guys lift with those.

02:45:15.000 Because they'll be Westside guys.

02:45:16.000 That's a hardcore dude.

02:45:17.000 That's a hardcore dude.

02:45:17.000 He's going to run Converse.

02:45:20.000 He's going to box squat. 0.97

02:45:21.000 He's going to sumo dead. 0.55

02:45:22.000 Let me ask you this.

02:45:22.000 Why doesn't Converse make an All-Star with a wider toe box?

02:45:26.000 Because I try to lift in Converse and my knees are stupid. 1.00

02:45:29.000 They're hard. 1.00

02:45:30.000 They're hard to do.

02:45:30.000 I like a wide toe box.

02:45:32.000 I like a Vivo barefoot like that.

02:45:34.000 But Converse are good because they're flat.

02:45:36.000 There's no cushion there.

02:45:38.000 Well, it depends on what you're doing, right?

02:45:39.000 If you're more of a wide stance sumo or box squat, because your heels aren't elevated, it's actually a better situation for squatting.

02:45:48.000 Well, if you're an Olympic lifter, you're going to be closer, so you want heels elevated with a flexible toe. 0.99

02:45:52.000 And that's why you look and you're like, oh, okay, this is what you're doing.

02:45:56.000 And then I kind of laugh. 0.70

02:45:57.000 The guys with the cross trainers are usually just dudes that do a whole bunch of crap and they're doing plyos and dancing around and whatever.

02:46:03.000 But there's always like these little tribal things. 0.52

02:46:05.000 Like if you're this person, you're wearing chucks and you're listening to Pantera.

02:46:09.000 It's just part of the gig.

02:46:11.000 It's always funny.

02:46:12.000 It's like, all right.

02:46:13.000 Some people think you have to lift heavy. 1.00

02:46:15.000 If you don't lift heavy, you're a pussy. 1.00

02:46:17.000 Oh, or you have to listen to music at like 8,000 decibels to lift heavy. 1.00

02:46:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:46:22.000 And slap your fucking thighs and scream. 1.00

02:46:25.000 I've danced that dance before. 1.00

02:46:26.000 Throw the power out of your hands.

02:46:27.000 Oh, I've done the...

02:46:29.000 Smelly salts?

02:46:31.000 Of course.

02:46:31.000 Oh, we do smelling salts in here.

02:46:33.000 Let's go.

02:46:34.000 Yeah, let's roll.

02:46:35.000 Let's go.

02:46:39.000 This is a good one, huh?

02:46:40.000 Rough?

02:46:41.000 It's probably better than what I had back in the day.

02:46:42.000 This is a good one, and it's not even that fresh.

02:46:45.000 Yeah, it's not even fresh.

02:46:47.000 That's worse.

02:46:48.000 Worse than I remember.

02:46:49.000 That's Juju Mufu's. 0.85

02:46:50.000 Yeah.

02:46:51.000 We are an unlicensed promoter of this brand.

02:46:58.000 Yeah, I know.

02:46:59.000 Yeah, we used to do the little capsules and break them, and that's a whole different animal.

02:47:02.000 Yeah, that's real.

02:47:04.000 That's a whole jar of it.

02:47:05.000 It's potent.

02:47:06.000 The fumes that come out are so strong.

02:47:08.000 When you have a sealed bag, you can smell it on the outside of the bag.

02:47:11.000 Then when you open the bag, you've got a sealed bottle.

02:47:13.000 I think my ears are bleeding now.

02:47:14.000 Just the smell from opening the bag is rough.

02:47:17.000 Yeah.

02:47:19.000 What does it do?

02:47:20.000 Does that really help you?

02:47:21.000 Have you ever tried to lift before that and then add it?

02:47:24.000 It just snaps the central nervous system.

02:47:26.000 It's kind of like when you're passed out, right?

02:47:27.000 Does it make you a little stronger, you think?

02:47:28.000 More mad. 0.93

02:47:31.000 Mad's good.

02:47:32.000 On big gross motor movements, squats, deadlifts, I used to call deadlifts or just how mad you were.

02:47:39.000 They used to have the strongest man competitions all the time on ESPN. Yeah.

02:47:43.000 Those dudes were like holding on to cars.

02:47:45.000 They had the cars on the ramps.

02:47:47.000 Oh, it was so cool.

02:47:48.000 The cross.

02:47:48.000 Yeah, the big stones and Atlas stones.

02:47:51.000 It was so great.

02:47:51.000 It was fun.

02:47:52.000 Yeah, I watched them all the time in the 90s.

02:47:54.000 Actually, my dad was...

02:47:56.000 In 1980 at the Playboy Club, he was with Bill Kazmaier when he did the Silver Dollar Deadlift.

02:48:01.000 What's the Silver Dollar Deadlift?

02:48:02.000 He had like 900-something pounds of these clear boxes, and they were filled with silver dollars.

02:48:08.000 Oh, wow.

02:48:09.000 And it was super cool.

02:48:10.000 And so there's like an iconic lift, and Pops was like...

02:48:17.000 I think he was partying pretty hard too.

02:48:22.000 Straight off of a ripper.

02:48:24.000 And I was like, man, the 80s were awesome.

02:48:26.000 He looked like Magnum PI. It was awesome.

02:48:30.000 Yeah, they were just learning things.

02:48:32.000 The pioneer days, basically.

02:48:34.000 Jeez, it was so cool.

02:48:35.000 You always knew that if you were watching The Strongest Man, if the dude's name was Magnus, he was gonna fuck things up.

02:48:39.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:48:40.000 It's a Magnus character.

02:48:41.000 If there's a Magnus in, a Samuelson, if there's some sons involved.

02:48:46.000 You know, one of those guys is fighting MMA. He's been fighting at Marius Pujanowski.

02:48:50.000 Oh, I remember Marius.

02:48:51.000 Yeah, he went from being a strong man to being like a really good MMA fighter.

02:48:56.000 I could see that. 0.98

02:48:57.000 In the beginning, he was getting fucked up, but he tried to dive in right away. 0.98

02:49:00.000 Like, he tried to fight... 0.98

02:49:01.000 God, he fought some good fighters, like, right away.

02:49:06.000 When Marius was at the height, because we used to do a lot with the Arnold Strongman Classic.

02:49:11.000 He fought Tim Sylvia, that's what he fought.

02:49:12.000 Oh my gosh, did he?

02:49:12.000 He fought Tim Sylvia really early on.

02:49:16.000 So he fought Tim Sylvia in his third pro fight and he got the fuck beaten out of him. 0.96

02:49:21.000 That was just... 0.88

02:49:23.000 But I never forget.

02:49:24.000 He fought Butterbean.

02:49:25.000 He beat Butterbean.

02:49:26.000 He lost to James Thompson and he beat James Thompson.

02:49:29.000 Oh, well, no contest it says.

02:49:32.000 Yeah.

02:49:33.000 What a stud. 0.94

02:49:34.000 Fought Bob Sapp.

02:49:35.000 That was when Bob Sapp was like taking kind of dives.

02:49:38.000 My buddy used to train with Bob.

02:49:41.000 Holes Gracie beat Holes Gracie. 1.00

02:49:43.000 Yeah, he knocked Holes Gracie out. 1.00

02:49:44.000 Yeah, so he's kind of like a bunch of like legit MMA fights.

02:49:49.000 Yeah, Pujanowski was like one of the first guys I ever saw that was that big that had like vascular lats.

02:49:55.000 So we were in the backstage and it was kind of weird because like he was considerably bigger the year than before.

02:50:00.000 And I think even taller too.

02:50:02.000 I was like, this guy wasn't...

02:50:03.000 I was just like...

02:50:05.000 Well, there you go.

02:50:05.000 How did he get taller?

02:50:06.000 I was like, that's what I was questioning. 1.00

02:50:08.000 He's on all kinds of crazy shit. 0.99

02:50:10.000 I don't remember him being taller as my height. 1.00

02:50:12.000 That's amazing.

02:50:12.000 But it was really weird.

02:50:13.000 Oh, boy, got taller. 1.00

02:50:14.000 Look at the size of that motherfucker. 1.00

02:50:16.000 Yeah, he was backstage, and everyone was like, big, big. 0.99

02:50:18.000 But it was like, Marius is in a whole different category.

02:50:21.000 Oh, he was a tank.

02:50:22.000 On multiple levels.

02:50:23.000 See if you can find him now, though.

02:50:24.000 He's slimmed down considerably. 0.99

02:50:25.000 He still looks fucking huge. 0.94

02:50:27.000 But as an MMA fighter now, he's, yeah. 0.97

02:50:31.000 See, there you see.

02:50:31.000 Click on that picture.

02:50:32.000 No, the other one.

02:50:33.000 He's still terrifying.

02:50:34.000 What above it?

02:50:35.000 Right above it.

02:50:37.000 Yeah, but what year is that?

02:50:39.000 Oh, because it's blurry?

02:50:43.000 Does it say that it's 22 years old?

02:50:45.000 Okay, see if you can find some footage of him actually fighting.

02:50:49.000 Maybe there's some...

02:50:50.000 I'm sure he's got some highlights.

02:50:51.000 There he is right there.

02:50:51.000 He's on his knees.

02:50:53.000 Oh, here we go.

02:50:55.000 He's still stiff, but he's got good technique, and he's got a lot of power, man.

02:50:59.000 Yeah.

02:51:00.000 Look at the muscles on the back of his neck.

02:51:01.000 He looks like one of those bucks during the rut when their necks blow up really big. 0.78

02:51:05.000 But at least he's throwing correctly, hands up high, and this is all technical work here.

02:51:12.000 Well, it's like Brian Shaw's been doing a little bit of sparring with Derek Wolfe.

02:51:16.000 Oh, Jesus.

02:51:16.000 How terrible is that?

02:51:18.000 What does he weigh?

02:51:19.000 390?

02:51:20.000 I don't know.

02:51:20.000 I mean, I know he was up to 440-something.

02:51:23.000 Yeah.

02:51:24.000 At one point, my dad is actually who got him in a strongman.

02:51:27.000 He came by our booth at 18 years old, and my dad was like, hey, you're really strong.

02:51:31.000 You should get into this.

02:51:33.000 Yeah, he should be on another planet.

02:51:34.000 You're too big.

02:51:35.000 You're too big for this planet.

02:51:36.000 Yeah, he was probably 240. That makes me believe in the Anunnaki. 1.00

02:51:41.000 Right.

02:51:41.000 You know, there's actually giants that are like, what happened?

02:51:45.000 100%.

02:51:45.000 How did you get so big?

02:51:46.000 Shit. 1.00

02:51:46.000 Those dudes. 1.00

02:51:47.000 You remember Cleve Dean?

02:51:49.000 You ever remember that guy?

02:51:50.000 No.

02:51:50.000 Who's he?

02:51:50.000 So he was an old, they called him like a pig farmer.

02:51:53.000 He was one of the original World's Strongest Man, but he was the arm wrestling champion.

02:51:57.000 And he was like all those old, like weird, like 440 pound, like just giant farmer.

02:52:01.000 Yeah, there he goes.

02:52:02.000 Yeah, that cat.

02:52:04.000 Oh, why is that poor little fellow arm wrestling?

02:52:06.000 I mean, look how big that human is.

02:52:08.000 Jesus Christ, look at his hand.

02:52:10.000 Yeah.

02:52:11.000 Oh my God.

02:52:12.000 Look at that photo.

02:52:13.000 That's Big Daddy Goodridge.

02:52:16.000 It was an MMA fighter.

02:52:18.000 Look at the hand holding the table in the front. 1.00

02:52:21.000 Look at the size of that fucking thing. 1.00

02:52:22.000 Wild, right? 1.00

02:52:23.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:52:23.000 If you could teach that guy how to throw a jab, you'd fuck a lot of people up. 0.99

02:52:27.000 I would like to see a fight between him and Andre the Giant. 0.95

02:52:30.000 That would have been awesome.

02:52:32.000 Definitely wouldn't be long.

02:52:34.000 Right, right.

02:52:35.000 Did you ever meet Andre?

02:52:36.000 No, I did not.

02:52:38.000 That would have been cool.

02:52:39.000 Yeah, I would have liked to have met him.

02:52:41.000 I met Hulk Hogan twice.

02:52:42.000 Did you?

02:52:43.000 I met him once when he was super tall.

02:52:45.000 Well, I met him multiple times.

02:52:46.000 But I met him once when he was super tall and then now he's just like regular big.

02:52:50.000 Really?

02:52:51.000 Yeah, because he's lost, like, five or six inches of height for his back.

02:52:55.000 Oh, he's just getting compressed?

02:52:56.000 Because all of his back is all, like, fused.

02:52:58.000 Wow.

02:52:59.000 His whole back is fused. 1.00

02:53:00.000 He's so fucked. 1.00

02:53:01.000 How many surgeries did he say he had, Jamie? 1.00

02:53:03.000 Some crazy amount of back surgeries.

02:53:05.000 Really? 1.00

02:53:06.000 Yeah, his whole back is fucked. 1.00

02:53:07.000 Like, he walked with a cane. 1.00

02:53:09.000 It's rough.

02:53:10.000 And it was because of...

02:53:11.000 25 in the last 10 years.

02:53:13.000 25 back surgeries.

02:53:16.000 Oh, so he just lost all of his...

02:53:17.000 He's had knees, hips, shoulders, face...

02:53:22.000 Abs.

02:53:23.000 I'm sure you've met Stallone before, right?

02:53:25.000 Yeah.

02:53:26.000 Have y'all just talked like random old weird stuff?

02:53:29.000 No, I didn't get a chance to talk to him very much.

02:53:31.000 I interviewed him once for, I think it was Spike TV when I was doing the UFC thing.

02:53:37.000 I interviewed him.

02:53:37.000 It was fun.

02:53:39.000 He's very similar to you and remembers everything from those eras of stuff.

02:53:47.000 You know Gunnar Peterson?

02:53:49.000 So I was at Gunnar's gym in LA and Stallone was in there. 0.88

02:53:52.000 I was like, oh, this is badass, freaking Stallone.

02:53:53.000 I'm a kid of the 80s. 0.55

02:53:55.000 And I was like, hey, you know, would you mind?

02:53:58.000 He sat down with me for 45 minutes.

02:54:00.000 Oh, wow.

02:54:00.000 And we just talked like, but he mentioned Cleve Dean.

02:54:04.000 Like, he remembered like all the arm wrestlers, the boxers, like historian of the human performance world.

02:54:09.000 It was like, oh, this is so cool.

02:54:11.000 I figured you guys had to like have nerded out about it.

02:54:14.000 Did you, have you ever paid any attention to the old catch wrestling guys?

02:54:18.000 No, what's that?

02:54:19.000 Okay.

02:54:20.000 Catch wrestling was catch as catch can, which is what they used to call it, I think, when they were in England.

02:54:27.000 And then when they came over to America, it was called catch. 0.64

02:54:30.000 What it was was basically wrestling with submissions.

02:54:33.000 And there were certain rules, like you could pin a guy, or you could submit him and they could tap.

02:54:39.000 And there was a few guys that were legendary for their strength and conditioning routines.

02:54:45.000 No way.

02:54:46.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:54:46.000 Josh Barnett learned under Carl Gotch, and Gotch was famous for having this unbelievable gauntlet of strength and conditioning work that you had to be able to get through before he would even train you.

02:54:59.000 Really?

02:55:00.000 Yeah.

02:55:00.000 He went over to Japan, and Gotch trained a lot of guys.

02:55:04.000 There was a lot of catch wrestling influence.

02:55:07.000 What era was that?

02:55:08.000 Well, when you go back to the early days of catchwords, go Farmer Burns, because Farmer Burns was like one of the—what is this?

02:55:14.000 What am I watching here?

02:55:15.000 What is Catch As Catch Can?

02:55:17.000 So these guys— Was that George Hackenschmidt?

02:55:21.000 Is that what it was?

02:55:22.000 Yeah, back up for a second.

02:55:23.000 Yeah, Hackenschmidt.

02:55:24.000 Yeah, so— So he's like one of the fathers of strength and conditioning.

02:55:28.000 Makes sense, because a lot of these— Hack squad.

02:55:31.000 Carl Gotch and Hackenschmidt were duking it out at Comiskey Park.

02:55:35.000 Yeah.

02:55:36.000 And they would have wrestling matches, but they were real matches.

02:55:40.000 Wow.

02:55:41.000 And then somewhere along the line, they started doing carnival matches, and then these carnival matches, they had regular people that they would find, and they would have predetermined outcomes.

02:55:53.000 Then it became pro-wrestling, and that's where pro-wrestling was given birth to.

02:55:58.000 It was out of this necessity to kind of rig the matches.

02:56:02.000 Right.

02:56:02.000 You'd get in the wahoo chopper.

02:56:03.000 See, these are kind of enthusiasts that are doing it now, like in a modern setting.

02:56:08.000 But the guys who really know the stuff, like Josh Barnett has tapped out some legit Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belts in competition with catch wrestling techniques.

02:56:17.000 It's like Kimuras, Americanas.

02:56:21.000 That's cool.

02:56:21.000 They call that a double wrist lock, though.

02:56:23.000 They have different terminology for some of the same moves.

02:56:26.000 But Farmer Burns was this guy that was, he was so legendary with his strength and conditioning that he would hang from a tree.

02:56:35.000 He would literally like hang himself.

02:56:37.000 Like hang? 0.71

02:56:38.000 Because his neck, his neck was so built up and he was a small guy.

02:56:42.000 He was like 160 pounds.

02:56:43.000 But he was so jacked and he literally had like a pit bull neck.

02:56:47.000 There's photos of him where he would do this stunt where he would hang by the neck in front of crowds.

02:56:53.000 Like look at him.

02:56:55.000 That's him.

02:56:55.000 Oh, wow, okay.

02:56:56.000 That's Farmer Burns.

02:56:57.000 Okay, probably very similar to the mighty Adam if you've ever heard of him. 0.98

02:57:01.000 But you know how fucking strong your neck has to be? 0.98

02:57:04.000 And not just hang sometimes. 0.99

02:57:06.000 Hang like all the time. 0.95

02:57:08.000 Look at his neck. 0.90

02:57:08.000 That's amazing. 0.90

02:57:09.000 Look at his fucking neck. 1.00

02:57:10.000 But he knew that, you know, if your neck is weak, your body's weak, your core is weak. 1.00

02:57:15.000 If someone collar ties you and you got a neck like that, you can resist it and you could work your shit. 1.00

02:57:21.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:57:22.000 Anything that hangs out of your t-shirt, you better train.

02:57:24.000 There was a bunch of those guys back in those days that just had these incredible strength and conditioning programs.

02:57:31.000 And they used a lot of things like steel maces.

02:57:33.000 See if you can find Carl Gotch strength and conditioning routine.

02:57:38.000 Because even as an older man, when he was teaching people stuff, he would show how he maneuvered these... 0.99

02:57:45.000 You know, these big fucking aces. 0.99

02:57:47.000 Super impressive stuff. 0.99

02:57:48.000 Yeah, but it's maneuvering something, not necessarily lifting it.

02:57:52.000 All that functional strength stuff.

02:57:53.000 He would have those guys do 500 bodyweight squats every day.

02:57:57.000 Every day.

02:57:59.000 Oh, that's cool.

02:58:00.000 So here's him back then.

02:58:03.000 And a lot of it was like Hindu push-ups. 0.92

02:58:06.000 Look how flexible he was. 0.99

02:58:08.000 For a big fucking giant dude. 0.99

02:58:10.000 Like super flexible. 1.00

02:58:12.000 So they realized that...

02:58:14.000 You know, like we were talking about, technique is very important, but also strength.

02:58:18.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:58:18.000 So look at the size of his fucking thighs, dude. 1.00

02:58:20.000 Yeah, look at the neck. 1.00

02:58:21.000 Yeah.

02:58:23.000 And so he'd make these guys do these crazy wrestler's bridges, and look at how you could do that.

02:58:28.000 Like, support yourself and pull yourself back up like that.

02:58:30.000 So they kind of resist against necks.

02:58:33.000 Yeah.

02:58:35.000 So these guys would have these unbelievably grueling physical sessions, and then they'd do their technique.

02:58:43.000 Wow.

02:58:44.000 So they would attempt to, I guess, be pre-fatigue, and so you'd love to do it?

02:58:49.000 Well, also, you just had to be in phenomenal shape, because in wrestling, you know, that's the first thing that goes.

02:58:54.000 You must have ridiculous conditioning to be an elite wrestler. 1.00

02:58:59.000 Look at the size of his fucking legs, dude. 1.00

02:59:01.000 So Karl Gotch was just like super famous for this. 1.00

02:59:04.000 He's in Japan here teaching these guys.

02:59:06.000 Wow.

02:59:07.000 And obviously this is black and white.

02:59:08.000 It's just a long time ago.

02:59:10.000 Yeah, have you ever seen the...

02:59:12.000 Who is he training here?

02:59:14.000 Does it say who he's working with?

02:59:15.000 Inoki.

02:59:16.000 That's Inoki!

02:59:17.000 Oh, wow!

02:59:19.000 Of course, Enoki fought Muhammad Ali.

02:59:21.000 Oh, okay, right.

02:59:22.000 You ever see that fight?

02:59:22.000 No.

02:59:23.000 Oh, my God.

02:59:24.000 It was like some crazy scam fight where Enoki just dropped to his back. 0.78

02:59:29.000 Yeah, work his neck.

02:59:30.000 So he's lifting him up with his neck.

02:59:31.000 He's standing on his face, though, too.

02:59:33.000 Yeah, man.

02:59:33.000 Good job.

02:59:34.000 Carl Gotts didn't fuck around, dude. 0.99

02:59:35.000 Yeah, that's obvious. 1.00

02:59:37.000 That'll build your chin.

02:59:38.000 So Enoki had this fight with Muhammad Ali, and Muhammad Ali's trying to punch him, and Enoki just goes to his back and kicks his legs. 0.99

02:59:47.000 So he fucked Muhammad Ali's legs up. 0.99

02:59:49.000 They were really fucked up for quite a while. 1.00

02:59:51.000 Really? 0.99

02:59:52.000 After that, yeah.

02:59:53.000 So this is what they did.

02:59:54.000 He just kicked his knees and kicked his legs. 1.00

02:59:56.000 And Ali's like, what the fuck? 0.99

02:59:59.000 And it's in Japan, and they're paying him a ton of money to do it. 0.99

03:00:02.000 So the referee has to separate him.

03:00:04.000 And the referee is Judo Jean LaBelle.

03:00:06.000 No way.

03:00:07.000 Yeah, so Judo Jean LaBelle is the referee.

03:00:10.000 And Inoki is just lying on his back kicking him.

03:00:13.000 And he's kicking him with roundhouse kicks.

03:00:15.000 Like, look at this. 0.99

03:00:16.000 So he's fucking Ali's legs up, man. 0.98

03:00:19.000 When you're a guy who makes his living off of his footwork, which was Ali. 0.99

03:00:23.000 Like, this was super dangerous.

03:00:24.000 Look, he's getting him in a leg lock.

03:00:27.000 So obviously this wasn't boxing.

03:00:28.000 No, it was some weird hybrid fight that, you know, I think Ali just needed money and they talked him into doing this.

03:00:34.000 Look at those fights we get today.

03:00:36.000 Is that sort of like what this was going on?

03:00:38.000 These crazy exhibition real fights that are happening?

03:00:42.000 Well, sort of, but this was real.

03:00:44.000 Enoki was really trying to hurt him. 0.99

03:00:46.000 He really did kick the shit out of his legs. 0.99

03:00:48.000 And Ali really... 0.98

03:00:49.000 See if you can find any articles on Ali's legs after the Enoki bout. 0.94

03:00:53.000 I think he really fucked his legs up because he didn't know how to check kicks. 0.98

03:00:58.000 He didn't know what to even do. 0.99

03:01:00.000 And all of a sudden, this guy's on his back, roundhouse kicking his legs and stomping at his knees.

03:01:05.000 Yeah.

03:01:06.000 So who knows if his knees got hyperextended, he tore his meniscus.

03:01:09.000 Of course. 0.99

03:01:09.000 Who knows what the fuck happened there? 0.99

03:01:11.000 Jeez. 0.98

03:01:11.000 Have you ever seen, there's an old Polish documentary, them training in the 1970s, and they're doing all that kind of crazy stuff. 0.98

03:01:19.000 Throwing logs.

03:01:20.000 Look at it, it says he has blood clots in his leg.

03:01:22.000 Where does it say that?

03:01:24.000 Nearly ended Ollie's career.

03:01:27.000 It was in the, before I clicked on it, it said it in the little two sentences.

03:01:32.000 Finally, the 15th round, they call it a draw.

03:01:35.000 Wow!

03:01:37.000 Ali is bleeding from the legs.

03:01:39.000 He gets an infection in his legs and he almost has to have an amputation. 0.99

03:01:44.000 Holy shit! 0.98

03:01:45.000 Extended stay in the hospital was the best case scenario coming out of the fight. 1.00

03:01:50.000 Wow!

03:01:51.000 So Muhammad Ali suffering two blood clots and an infection in his leg from Enoki's vicious grounded kicks, according to the Sweet Science.

03:02:00.000 Wow!

03:02:03.000 Wow, when he finally did, so look at this, so he said he continued his tour of Asia despite this, competing in exhibition matches in South Korea and the Philippines before returning to the United States.

03:02:14.000 When he finally did get back to the US, Ali needed to stay in Los Angeles Hospital for multiple weeks to recover from injuries sustained in the Inoki fight. 0.98

03:02:22.000 Holy shit, man. 0.99

03:02:23.000 He put him on ice, man. 0.99

03:02:25.000 They were concerned Ali's injuries could even be life-threatening.

03:02:28.000 Well, that's staph infection.

03:02:30.000 He was bleeding from the legs, got an infection in his legs, almost had to have an amputation. 0.98

03:02:35.000 Bro, staph infections are fucking terrifying. 0.98

03:02:37.000 Have you had one? 0.99

03:02:38.000 Yeah.

03:02:39.000 Yeah, I've had two.

03:02:40.000 Twice I've had staph.

03:02:41.000 Not bad, though.

03:02:42.000 I caught it both times.

03:02:43.000 I had a blood clot one time.

03:02:44.000 I got jammed up, smoked my ankle, and I didn't think much of it.

03:02:50.000 It felt like just kind of weird.

03:02:51.000 It got hot, got swollen.

03:02:53.000 I'm competing all over the world and I'm like, yeah, this kind of feels weird.

03:02:56.000 And the doctor's like, hey man, you need to get that checked up.

03:02:59.000 Of course, jumped back on a plane, went across the country.

03:03:02.000 And they said that I had a blood clot from my knee to my hip. 1.00

03:03:05.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

03:03:06.000 Yeah. 1.00

03:03:07.000 So it was blocking off the blood coming through the vein.

03:03:09.000 Yeah, and my calf was giant.

03:03:12.000 What do they do about that?

03:03:13.000 I just started taking blood thinners and stuff, which was cool.

03:03:16.000 But you can't get cut.

03:03:17.000 Couldn't get cut, which is kind of funny because I got on the blood thinners and I had just pulled an alligator tag like a couple days before.

03:03:23.000 No!

03:03:24.000 So I told the doctor, I was like, he's like, don't do anything that'll get you cut.

03:03:27.000 I was like, well, I'm going alligator hunting tonight.

03:03:29.000 And he's like, haha.

03:03:30.000 And I was like, no, no, seriously.

03:03:31.000 He's like, no, you'll bleed out if you get bit.

03:03:33.000 And I'm like, yeah, but I probably won't bleed out.

03:03:35.000 So I remember like in the middle of the night in the swamp giving myself shots of whatever that stuff was in my stomach.

03:03:41.000 Oh my God.

03:03:41.000 I'm not very smart.

03:03:43.000 How long do you have to take the blood thinners for before it dissolves?

03:03:45.000 I took them home for about six to eight months.

03:03:48.000 Whoa! 0.71

03:03:49.000 Because I started on the shots and then I went to like the Warfarin tabs and they had to keep checking me, keep checking me because they had to let it all break out.

03:03:57.000 So I'd have to once a month get it ultrasounded.

03:04:01.000 There's no better way.

03:04:02.000 Can't they pull that out of there or something?

03:04:04.000 Yeah, that's what I would have thought.

03:04:05.000 Get some tweezers?

03:04:05.000 You know.

03:04:07.000 That's crazy.

03:04:08.000 It's crazy.

03:04:08.000 So I was at Christmas party a couple months later, and my doctor saw me, and he was like, hey, and he had a couple beers in him.

03:04:15.000 So he's like, hey, he's like, you're going to do, you or one of your descendants are going to do something special for this world.

03:04:21.000 I'm like, what do you mean?

03:04:22.000 And he's like, you know where that blood clot should have been?

03:04:25.000 I go, where?

03:04:26.000 And he just tapped me on the chest.

03:04:27.000 He's like, right there.

03:04:28.000 He goes...

03:04:28.000 No way you shouldn't have died on that one.

03:04:30.000 I go, really?

03:04:31.000 He goes, you heated it, you iced it, you massaged it, you flew, you trained.

03:04:36.000 He goes, you did everything if you were trying to commit suicide by blood clot for months.

03:04:40.000 He goes, how it didn't travel?

03:04:42.000 I have no idea.

03:04:43.000 Whoa.

03:04:46.000 Well, that's cool.

03:04:47.000 I guess things are going to go awesome for a while.

03:04:50.000 Or you just got lucky.

03:04:51.000 Yeah.

03:04:52.000 And then what happened, my lower leg basically, they said it grew another vein.

03:04:58.000 So it grew a bypass around it.

03:05:01.000 No.

03:05:01.000 So all the swelling started going down.

03:05:03.000 And they're like, yeah, one of your minimized veins or smaller veins actually grew in capacity and just worked its way around.

03:05:11.000 They're like, the human body will do that.

03:05:12.000 So it just worked its way around the bypass.

03:05:14.000 Cool.

03:05:15.000 What would have happened, though, if you didn't get that vein diluted with the blood thinners or that blood clot?

03:05:21.000 Something would kick loose.

03:05:22.000 I mean, it was right at my hip.

03:05:23.000 It doesn't go away?

03:05:24.000 Your body doesn't absorb it ever?

03:05:25.000 I mean, if the hematocrit or whatever, the thickness of the blood was still of that, if it ever broke loose, he was like, it would have gone to the heart of your head.

03:05:35.000 That would have been a stroke or heart attack.

03:05:37.000 And, you know, but it's weird, like, and it was just an ankle injury.

03:05:41.000 Ankle.

03:05:41.000 That's crazy.

03:05:42.000 Smoked it, and it's like, oh, okay, you know, I'll be fine.

03:05:45.000 Started walking it off, and what screwed me is the next day, it was all black and blue, the whole deal, right?

03:05:51.000 Right.

03:05:52.000 I'm walking, walking, walking.

03:05:53.000 Everything's not fine. 0.97

03:05:55.000 It sucked.

03:05:56.000 And I had to go on a business trip. 0.90

03:05:57.000 And I was like, let me go check and make sure it's not like broken, that I have to get it like actually fixed.

03:06:03.000 I went to the doctor and they're like, hey, you got to mobilize this thing.

03:06:07.000 And I'd been walking for a week.

03:06:09.000 And so they wrapped it up and mobilized it.

03:06:11.000 And I remember I was on a plane.

03:06:14.000 I was sleeping and it felt like someone lit a fire in my calf.

03:06:17.000 And I was like, ah!

03:06:18.000 What was that?

03:06:19.000 And I went to my hotel room and I filled the trash can up with ice and I just dumped my leg in there to cool my leg down.

03:06:24.000 And that was like in May.

03:06:26.000 And I competed at the Hammer World Championships all the way to Labor Day.

03:06:31.000 And I was in San Francisco and I'm like, something's weird.

03:06:35.000 I pulled down my knee sleeve and one of the docs was there and he was like, what is going on with your leg?

03:06:40.000 I'm like, I think I pulled a hamstring or something.

03:06:42.000 He's like...

03:06:43.000 Nah, you didn't.

03:06:44.000 And so I came back, called my guy at South Carolina Sports Medicine, and he got me in right away.

03:06:49.000 And he was like, dude, you got a big-ass blood clot.

03:06:52.000 And like, you got to get this squared away now.

03:06:54.000 Holy, imagine if you didn't do that.

03:06:56.000 Imagine if you just... 1.00

03:06:57.000 Just die. 1.00

03:06:59.000 You've just been like, hey, I'm... 1.00

03:07:00.000 One day you would have just died.

03:07:01.000 I would have been a 30-year-old, really healthy guy that just keeled over.

03:07:05.000 And so it's like, that kind of hits you.

03:07:07.000 And that was honestly kind of the end of my competitive sports world.

03:07:12.000 Because I started realizing, like, all I cared about was winning.

03:07:16.000 And all I cared about was training and winning.

03:07:18.000 And I, like...

03:07:20.000 I forwent social relationships, being smart with my body and all this stuff because I was like, no, I'm going to win worlds.

03:07:29.000 I'm going to go do this.

03:07:30.000 I'm going to be top level, whatever.

03:07:32.000 And it was just like drive, drive, drive.

03:07:34.000 And I was like, man, I didn't see this very obvious thing that could and should have killed me.

03:07:40.000 It's like, I need to grow up.

03:07:41.000 I need to refocus how I'm looking at these things.

03:07:44.000 And so I had to mature and just like, okay, I've competed for 15 or 20 years or whatever it was at that point.

03:07:50.000 It's like, maybe take a pump, pump the brakes for a second and just go like...

03:07:55.000 Am I making good choices for my family, good choices for my business, people that rely on me?

03:08:01.000 Because if, you know, cool in all things, but if Bert just keels over, like, you know, that's not optimal for really anyone.

03:08:08.000 It's interesting how you can get completely caught up in one goal to the point where you don't see anything else in life and you just miss out on a giant chunk of life.

03:08:17.000 But if you want to be the best at something...

03:08:21.000 It's the trade-off.

03:08:22.000 It's the Neil Brennan joke.

03:08:24.000 That's the trade-off.

03:08:25.000 I've talked about the rabbit hole guy versus the 90% guy.

03:08:30.000 And the 90% guy, which I think I've kind of turned into, if I train for something and get into something, I've generally found if I really care about it, I could be as good as 90% of the world at it.

03:08:43.000 Like a lot of different things.

03:08:45.000 Right.

03:08:45.000 But if you're the guy that wants to go down to be the best, the goat, you have to go down so far around the rabbit hole and forsake all other things to where you lose sight of reality.

03:08:57.000 By the way, you can still not make it.

03:08:59.000 And you could still not make it.

03:09:02.000 Yeah, you could be in the same weight class as Jon Jones.

03:09:04.000 Right.

03:09:04.000 And you're just like, I picked the wrong hero to be alive, right?

03:09:07.000 Yeah.

03:09:07.000 There's Mike Tyson in 1986. Whoops.

03:09:10.000 So you want to be a heavyweight boxer.

03:09:11.000 Oh, no.

03:09:13.000 Yeah.

03:09:14.000 You're Tyrell Biggs.

03:09:15.000 That's the weird part.

03:09:16.000 It's like you could be the rabbit hole guy and go so far down and lose sight of life and still be the number three guy ever.

03:09:23.000 Yeah.

03:09:24.000 And, you know, I kind of like use like the Yoda, like the Dagobah forest.

03:09:28.000 Like that's where people went to get all the force.

03:09:29.000 Like they don't write books about the 90% guy.

03:09:33.000 Right.

03:09:33.000 They write books about the weirdo that lived in the forest.

03:09:35.000 There's a little green man that knew the force.

03:09:38.000 However, though. 0.96

03:09:39.000 That guy might be miserable. 0.97

03:09:41.000 Might be miserable, man. 0.96

03:09:42.000 Yeah.

03:09:42.000 And I've seen it a lot.

03:09:43.000 Yeah.

03:09:44.000 You got to know when to stop.

03:09:45.000 It gets fun to do in the beginning, but you got to know when to stop.

03:09:48.000 I mean, I would say you're probably as good or better than 90 plus percent of the human population at fighting.

03:09:56.000 Probably.

03:09:56.000 Probably, yeah.

03:09:57.000 You're probably better at 90% of the human population at shooting a bow.

03:10:02.000 Probably.

03:10:02.000 Yeah, probably.

03:10:04.000 Right.

03:10:04.000 And so you start looking at things, you're like, oh, the things are really- Yeah, but if you want to be Levi Morgan, there's a long road.

03:10:08.000 It's a long road.

03:10:09.000 It's a long road.

03:10:10.000 Yeah. 0.98

03:10:11.000 Long ass road. 0.97

03:10:12.000 And like, if you want to beat Gordon Ryan, you're probably never going to catch him because he's already still doing it.

03:10:16.000 Yeah, and he's not doing archery, and he's not doing a podcast, and he's not doing a thing.

03:10:21.000 And then so I've had to kind of went to this thing.

03:10:24.000 I was like, do I want to be a 90% guy that enjoys semi-balance in my life and is really passionate about three or four or five things and be really, really good?

03:10:33.000 Or do I want to throw all my chips in?

03:10:37.000 And the probability is I won't be the GOAT. Right.

03:10:40.000 Especially if it's a competitive thing.

03:10:42.000 Right.

03:10:43.000 Where it gets real tricky with some people is if maybe it's a thing that's not a competitive thing and you can keep doing it.

03:10:50.000 Yes.

03:10:50.000 Like my friend Gary Clark Jr., when he records albums, he goes crazy and he locks himself in the studio and he's there for like fucking 12 hours, like every day.

03:11:00.000 And it drives his family nuts. 0.76

03:11:01.000 He's just like constantly working on his music because to him, like...

03:11:06.000 He wants to be all in.

03:11:08.000 That's where he lives.

03:11:09.000 That's where he creates this great music, when he's all in.

03:11:12.000 And you could sacrifice all the other things in your life.

03:11:17.000 You're not going to work out.

03:11:18.000 You're not going to go on trips.

03:11:20.000 All you're doing is just whatever that thing is.

03:11:22.000 Maybe it's painting.

03:11:23.000 Maybe it's writing books.

03:11:24.000 Whatever it is, you're all in.

03:11:27.000 And although it's beautiful, I don't know if I'm that guy.

03:11:31.000 You don't have to be.

03:11:32.000 You know?

03:11:32.000 And so I had to look at myself.

03:11:34.000 In the greater, you know, if you're looking at the universe, if you look at the greater picture of everything, it's not really important what you do here in this life.

03:11:44.000 But for you it is.

03:11:46.000 Correct.

03:11:47.000 And the problem is if you're compelled to try to be number one and you don't really chase it, you're always going to have that thing in the back of your head.

03:11:56.000 I never really went for it.

03:11:57.000 Yes.

03:11:58.000 At least you went for it for a long time.

03:12:00.000 And that's the thing.

03:12:01.000 That, I think, is the best way.

03:12:03.000 Go for something, but know when to stop.

03:12:05.000 That's where it was.

03:12:06.000 Don't be a 70-year-old dude out there in the Olympics throwing a hammer.

03:12:10.000 Please don't.

03:12:13.000 He's the oldest guy who ever threw the hammer.

03:12:16.000 Gosh.

03:12:16.000 Well, actually, one of my mentors, Judd Logan, this dude made four Olympic teams and the hammer, and then got out of it, and he was a coach.

03:12:26.000 And then every time that he would hit a A 50-year, a 55-year, a 60-year.

03:12:30.000 He would train for three or four months, break the all-time world record in that age class, and he would go off again for five years.

03:12:37.000 Good Lord.

03:12:37.000 And he would just come back, and he would do it again, and just shatter the world record, and he would come back, and he'd do it again.

03:12:42.000 And he just did that up until pretty much when he passed.

03:12:45.000 Did he keep training the entire time?

03:12:47.000 Like, how did he be able to come back?

03:12:48.000 He was very genetically gifted, and he was a coach, so he was always doing it and kind of screwing around.

03:12:55.000 And then he'd get serious every five years.

03:12:56.000 But then he would get serious for the last little bit.

03:12:58.000 And all of his kids would come out, all of his guys he coached.

03:13:01.000 And I mean, he was just a...

03:13:02.000 At the end, like when he was like 70, how far away was he from guys who were 30?

03:13:08.000 He knocked me out of the Olympic trial finals in 2004, and he was 40...

03:13:15.000 Gosh, he was probably 45, 46 years old.

03:13:19.000 He was like a little bit younger than me now, but I was 27. And in my prime.

03:13:23.000 Wow.

03:13:24.000 And that would have been his sixth Olympic trials.

03:13:30.000 And you're just like, but it's Judd, right?

03:13:33.000 Like, he's a mythical Bill Braski creature.

03:13:36.000 Like, he's Judd.

03:13:37.000 And you're just like, dang it.

03:13:39.000 Judd's going to figure out a way to figure out a way.

03:13:41.000 And he just generally...

03:13:43.000 So how many age-class world records did he hold?

03:13:46.000 He went 50, 55, and 60, and then he passed away a couple years ago, actually.

03:13:50.000 He had cancer, and then he had some COVID complications. 0.97

03:13:55.000 It sucked, man.

03:13:56.000 I mean, you talk about a guy that's just that statuesque, like, best conversationalist, like, poured into all these kids and stuff, and you're just like, he's the coach you always wanted to have, you know? 0.80

03:14:08.000 And you're just like, ah, but...

03:14:11.000 It's interesting when you watch the way different people live their life, because you could see benefits and you could see where it would be a detriment to the rest of your life.

03:14:21.000 And it allows us to look through these mythical creatures like that guy, these John Jones type characters, these Carl Gotches and go...

03:14:29.000 But is that what I want to do?

03:14:30.000 Correct.

03:14:31.000 You should know what you want to do.

03:14:33.000 Don't get tricked into doing something you don't want to do.

03:14:35.000 Because there's people out there that really want to do that.

03:14:38.000 And if you don't really want to do that, you're never going to beat them anyway.

03:14:41.000 Ever.

03:14:42.000 Ever.

03:14:43.000 You're already most likely not going to.

03:14:45.000 Right.

03:14:45.000 Already most likely not going to.

03:14:46.000 But if you're not really sure, you're fucked. 1.00

03:14:48.000 Oh, you're dead in the water. 1.00

03:14:49.000 If you've got one foot in, guess what, bitch? 1.00

03:14:51.000 That foot's going to be snatched up by a crocodile. 1.00

03:14:54.000 Yeah.

03:14:55.000 One foot in the grave and one in a roller skate.

03:14:57.000 Yeah, you can't compete with a really obsessed, talented person if you're not really obsessed and talented.

03:15:03.000 And the weird part is when you look at yourself and kind of question that.

03:15:07.000 Like, am I a 90% guy?

03:15:09.000 And some people aren't either.

03:15:10.000 Some people are like, I don't care what happens, man.

03:15:12.000 I'd be average.

03:15:13.000 And that just sounds horrible, right?

03:15:14.000 Yeah.

03:15:14.000 Yeah, that doesn't sound like you're going to get anywhere.

03:15:16.000 And you're not going to be interesting.

03:15:18.000 Not in the least.

03:15:19.000 Yeah, that's the problem.

03:15:20.000 Like, you're not going to attract other interesting people because they're not going to want to be around you.

03:15:24.000 Right.

03:15:24.000 Unless you're really funny.

03:15:25.000 Well, that's helpful.

03:15:26.000 Yeah.

03:15:27.000 The biggest part about being interesting is being interested.

03:15:29.000 Right.

03:15:30.000 You know?

03:15:31.000 Ask a lot of questions. 1.00

03:15:32.000 Be interested is crap. 0.99

03:15:33.000 Like, that's where I think one of your superpowers, besides you have a steel trap for a brain, you've recalled things that we've talked about. 0.99

03:15:41.000 Like, I was like, I didn't know he was listening to that.

03:15:43.000 It was pretty impressive.

03:15:46.000 But the thing is when you come to that like am I a rabbit hole guy?

03:15:51.000 Am I a 90% guy?

03:15:52.000 In my opinion, those are the only two choices.

03:15:54.000 Like the other ones are screw those.

03:15:56.000 But when you kind of like really look at like – have you ever seen like where your line really is?

03:16:01.000 My line?

03:16:02.000 Your line.

03:16:03.000 Like when – You're like, I will go this far, but that's as far as I'll go.

03:16:09.000 Right.

03:16:10.000 Like, down that rabbit hole, to whatever that is, or whatever stressor, or whatever that may be.

03:16:15.000 And...

03:16:16.000 It's weird.

03:16:17.000 I hadn't done it.

03:16:18.000 And in recent, like, I had an experience.

03:16:21.000 It was like, okay, there's my line.

03:16:22.000 Okay, that's...

03:16:23.000 What did you do?

03:16:25.000 I was in Africa, and I was hunting Cape Buffalo, which is the most dangerous thing.

03:16:31.000 With a bow or a rifle?

03:16:32.000 Rifle, but still, it's one of those things.

03:16:35.000 You get in there close, and it was like, go with a bow, right?

03:16:37.000 Oh, you could die.

03:16:38.000 You'd die. 0.99

03:16:38.000 Yeah. 0.99

03:16:39.000 It was pretty hairy.

03:16:40.000 It kills more people than everyone.

03:16:42.000 What do they taste like?

03:16:43.000 They're actually awesome.

03:16:44.000 We did the inner loins that night in Namibia.

03:16:46.000 It was fantastic.

03:16:47.000 And the cool part about that is we donated the meat to the local village and they were super stoked.

03:16:53.000 The wild part is after we gutted it, there's like 400 pounds of guts on a buffalo.

03:16:59.000 And I'm like, are you all going to like truck this out to the desert or out to the place and like let the hyenas?

03:17:04.000 And they're like, no, the villagers are taken.

03:17:05.000 I was like, the guts.

03:17:07.000 And they said, yeah, no, like there will be a party tonight.

03:17:10.000 No, no running water, hearts, lungs, liver, stomach, you know, guts.

03:17:16.000 And they go, they will be so excited to get that.

03:17:19.000 And so that was a, for me, I go, oh, we think we understand poverty.

03:17:24.000 We think we understand in this country, like, What not having.

03:17:28.000 We're like, oh yeah, I didn't have a whatever.

03:17:30.000 Like, no, this village is stoked to get 400 pounds of guts off of Cape Buffalo that's been laying in the woods dead for the last 10 hours.

03:17:41.000 Really?

03:17:42.000 They were pumped.

03:17:43.000 Old guts.

03:17:44.000 Old guts.

03:17:44.000 Old hot guts.

03:17:46.000 We put a tarp over it so before we could get back out there to get the bull out of the jungle or whatever it would be called.

03:17:54.000 So it didn't get super hot but struck a big black 2,000 pound animal.

03:17:57.000 What are they doing with the guts? 0.92

03:17:58.000 How are they eating it? 0.98

03:17:59.000 They said they'll wash out all the fluids, all the guts, shit, and everything else, and they'll put it on the grill and fry it and do all this. 0.98

03:18:06.000 They said protein does not go to waste in Africa at all. 0.99

03:18:10.000 So I'm like, you guys are going to, of course, eat a heart.

03:18:12.000 But they're like, yeah, they're eating heart, lungs, liver, kidneys, like anything. 0.53

03:18:17.000 What does lungs taste like?

03:18:19.000 Boy, I don't know.

03:18:20.000 I don't know if I want to know.

03:18:21.000 I've always thought about it.

03:18:22.000 Yeah.

03:18:23.000 Yeah.

03:18:23.000 Because, like, when you open up an elk, you look at it like, can you eat this?

03:18:27.000 Like, what does this taste like?

03:18:28.000 Have you eaten heart?

03:18:28.000 I'm sure.

03:18:29.000 Yeah.

03:18:29.000 Oh, I eat heart every time.

03:18:30.000 Heart's good, right?

03:18:30.000 I love heart.

03:18:31.000 I eat lung.

03:18:31.000 I mean, liver, rather.

03:18:33.000 I eat the liver and I eat the heart.

03:18:34.000 Yeah.

03:18:35.000 But, you know, and then...

03:18:40.000 And then stomach and stomach line.

03:18:42.000 I guess that's what haggis is, right?

03:18:44.000 Yeah.

03:18:44.000 It's like haggis lungs and...

03:18:46.000 You know what I know a lot of guys do?

03:18:48.000 They take the call fat from the...

03:18:50.000 Yeah.

03:18:50.000 And then they chop up meat and then they'll wrap it in the call fat and put it on the grill.

03:18:54.000 Rinella did that, didn't they?

03:18:56.000 Yeah.

03:18:56.000 That looked really cool.

03:18:57.000 They did.

03:18:57.000 Looked real good.

03:18:57.000 Season it and then wrap it in call fat and then slice it open.

03:19:01.000 We ate the inner loins and they were really good.

03:19:02.000 But they were talking about how the villagers out there, they're like, yeah, all this meat that these hunters get, like it all goes...

03:19:09.000 I think people understand how much that changes the game.

03:19:13.000 So when you say your line, what did you mean by that?

03:19:15.000 Well, they had another opportunity to do a lion hunt.

03:19:20.000 Oh, yeah, I'm not interested.

03:19:22.000 That was my line.

03:19:23.000 It was like, yeah, for multiple reasons.

03:19:25.000 Well, first of all, you're not going to eat it.

03:19:27.000 You could.

03:19:28.000 I mean, I know with dudes who eat mountain lions, it's delicious.

03:19:31.000 Mountain lion is actually really good.

03:19:34.000 According to everybody that I know that's eating it, they're not lion.

03:19:37.000 There's people that are iffy on bear.

03:19:39.000 I enjoy bear.

03:19:40.000 The rivets, of course.

03:19:41.000 They know how to cook it.

03:19:43.000 But the reality of a lion is I don't think anybody's out there eating African lions.

03:19:47.000 Yeah, right.

03:19:48.000 And they're just a multitude.

03:19:49.000 I mean, they're a Big.

03:19:51.000 I mean, I got nothing against a lion to start with.

03:19:53.000 They're too cool.

03:19:54.000 They're cool.

03:19:54.000 I don't want to eat a lion.

03:19:55.000 They're big.

03:19:56.000 They're scary.

03:19:56.000 They hide really well.

03:19:58.000 They're really fast.

03:19:59.000 They're dope.

03:20:00.000 There's a lot of stuff.

03:20:00.000 If they didn't exist, you'd be pumped.

03:20:02.000 Like, if somebody put one of those in a movie, you'd be like, what a cool, awesome animal, you know?

03:20:06.000 So it's just like, okay.

03:20:08.000 Like, for a multitude of reasons.

03:20:09.000 Like, I'm a hunter guy.

03:20:11.000 It's like, okay, not that one.

03:20:12.000 Okay.

03:20:13.000 And then not this.

03:20:14.000 And then you start looking at even training.

03:20:15.000 You're like, hey, I'll do this, but I won't do that.

03:20:18.000 Right.

03:20:19.000 And...

03:20:19.000 I don't want to shoot anything I'm not going to eat.

03:20:21.000 I'm not interested in that.

03:20:22.000 I'm not interested in going to hunt something that's inedible.

03:20:26.000 I just don't get it.

03:20:27.000 I get how people want to do it, but I feel like the same about fishing.

03:20:30.000 I kind of want to catch stuff that you can't eat.

03:20:32.000 Yeah, you fish a good bit, don't you?

03:20:34.000 Yeah, I love fishing.

03:20:34.000 What's your favorite thing to fish?

03:20:37.000 I mean, if I really had the time and I don't, it would be like salmon fishing in a river.

03:20:44.000 Really?

03:20:44.000 That's the most fun because they're so big and they're so strong and the way they jump.

03:20:49.000 And there's something about rivers.

03:20:51.000 Ocean's cool.

03:20:51.000 I love ocean fishing, but it's less personal.

03:20:55.000 There's something about being on a small boat on a river and you hook a salmon.

03:20:59.000 What?

03:21:00.000 Oh, yeah.

03:21:01.000 You see it jump.

03:21:03.000 Like, my friend Ari and I, we went up to Anchorage a few years back, and we did a show.

03:21:08.000 We did some salmon fishing.

03:21:09.000 It was really fun.

03:21:10.000 And then I've done a lot of trout fishing.

03:21:13.000 I love bass fishing.

03:21:15.000 Yeah.

03:21:16.000 Bass fishing's always fun.

03:21:17.000 Topwater.

03:21:18.000 Yeah.

03:21:18.000 Oh, yeah.

03:21:19.000 Late summer.

03:21:20.000 Watch them smash that.

03:21:22.000 Oh, that's the best.

03:21:22.000 Big frog going across a lily pad.

03:21:24.000 It's fun.

03:21:25.000 Yeah.

03:21:25.000 It's fun.

03:21:25.000 Have you ever done a...

03:21:27.000 It probably would be a bad idea for you, but I put a green light under my dock in my house.

03:21:33.000 Oh, wow.

03:21:34.000 Dude.

03:21:35.000 Cheat goad.

03:21:36.000 Oh, and they all come to it.

03:21:37.000 It's the coolest thing.

03:21:38.000 Oh, yeah.

03:21:39.000 It's in the spring and February through March, April, and then right now they're happening again.

03:21:45.000 The striped bass will school under it.

03:21:47.000 Oh, whoa.

03:21:48.000 And it's like you're catching four to 15-pound fish every night.

03:21:53.000 Oh, that's awesome.

03:21:54.000 Every night.

03:21:55.000 And so I'll sit up at the house and I'll, uh, yeah, no, seriously.

03:21:58.000 So I'll be with the wife and she will have a glass of wine. 0.98

03:22:00.000 I was like, all right, we'll go to bed.

03:22:01.000 And I was like, well, I'm gonna go fish.

03:22:03.000 She's like, you're going fishing now.

03:22:04.000 I said, I'll be back.

03:22:05.000 Don't worry.

03:22:05.000 And cause you only get like two or three casts before they blow off the light, but you're going to catch two or three fish every night on the first two or three casts.

03:22:12.000 Oh, wow.

03:22:13.000 Which is awesome.

03:22:14.000 Well, it's a great way to get food.

03:22:15.000 Yeah.

03:22:16.000 No, so you go catch a seven or eight pound striper, gut him, throw him in the ice, and then do it.

03:22:20.000 So I would literally fish, catch my two or three fish, and sometimes I got him when I was fly fishing for him.

03:22:25.000 So you catch like a 10 pound striper on a fly rod, which is badass.

03:22:29.000 Dude, I went to Mexico once and we went mahi-mahi fishing, and then they cooked it within an hour of us catching it.

03:22:36.000 Son.

03:22:37.000 I was like, oh my god, this is so much better than any fish I've ever had before.

03:22:41.000 And then you realize that the more time it waits after it's dead, it goes to supermarkets, sits on a shelf, you lose all that.

03:22:48.000 You lose it.

03:22:48.000 The flavor of them right when they pull it up.

03:22:50.000 I'm like, this is the best fish I've ever had in my life.

03:22:52.000 It's incredible.

03:22:53.000 Yeah.

03:22:54.000 It was so delicious.

03:22:56.000 Yeah.

03:22:56.000 Yeah, that's the best.

03:22:57.000 You need to get one of those green lights on your dock.

03:23:00.000 Sounds like fun.

03:23:01.000 Oh, man.

03:23:02.000 Deep Glow is the one.

03:23:04.000 Yeah.

03:23:04.000 I'll send you the link for it.

03:23:05.000 Okay.

03:23:05.000 It's super easy to do.

03:23:07.000 And mine kicks on right before dark.

03:23:09.000 Oh, nice.

03:23:10.000 Or if you get up early because they have the longest time to school on it.

03:23:13.000 So everything's silent.

03:23:15.000 You go out there and smash a couple, sun comes up.

03:23:17.000 It's great.

03:23:18.000 Oh, that's a good move.

03:23:19.000 That is a cheap code.

03:23:22.000 It makes you actually a bad fisherman because after that you're just like...

03:23:25.000 I don't feel like going out.

03:23:26.000 Like, I'll just catch them tonight.

03:23:28.000 Right.

03:23:29.000 And then everyone starts, like, marking your spots.

03:23:31.000 It's like the guys out here that hunt over deer feeders.

03:23:33.000 Yeah.

03:23:34.000 Yeah.

03:23:34.000 It works.

03:23:35.000 It does work.

03:23:36.000 It works.

03:23:37.000 But they'll tell you, like, well, we hunt, but...

03:23:39.000 Yeah.

03:23:40.000 It's kind of like farming.

03:23:42.000 Yeah.

03:23:43.000 It's fun.

03:23:43.000 Yeah.

03:23:44.000 It's just different.

03:23:45.000 Yeah.

03:23:45.000 It's not elk.

03:23:46.000 It's definitely...

03:23:47.000 I mean, you're sitting down the whole day, waiting, eating chips.

03:23:50.000 Yeah.

03:23:51.000 It's a good time to catch up with emails, talk to your friends.

03:23:55.000 Yeah.

03:23:57.000 There's a lot of that, like the ground blind guys like to sit in ground blinds all day.

03:24:01.000 It's a totally different thing.

03:24:02.000 I did it this morning.

03:24:03.000 Yeah, it's fun.

03:24:04.000 I did it.

03:24:05.000 I enjoyed it.

03:24:06.000 It was awesome.

03:24:06.000 It was fantastic.

03:24:07.000 It's a great way to pig hunt.

03:24:08.000 Oh, yeah.

03:24:09.000 I stuck one two nights ago.

03:24:11.000 The thing about pigs out here, too, is they actually have to hunt them.

03:24:15.000 Yes.

03:24:16.000 You're actually doing a service to the environment by getting food.

03:24:19.000 Yeah. 0.98

03:24:20.000 And if you get a good butcher that can turn that into sausage, it's fucking fantastic. 0.99

03:24:24.000 Yeah. 0.99

03:24:24.000 Actually, my little boy, he killed his first pig last week. 0.99

03:24:28.000 He's eight years old.

03:24:30.000 What was it like when you ate it?

03:24:31.000 It was awesome.

03:24:32.000 We did it for Thanksgiving.

03:24:32.000 When he was like, wow.

03:24:33.000 He's so super cool.

03:24:35.000 So we yanked the back straps out.

03:24:37.000 I marinated it in Coke for like 36 hours.

03:24:42.000 Coca-Cola?

03:24:42.000 Coca-Cola.

03:24:43.000 Really?

03:24:43.000 Yeah, I kind of broke it down.

03:24:45.000 I learned that from Jen Rivett. 0.99

03:24:46.000 So she would do bear with like Dr. Pepper.

03:24:49.000 No kidding.

03:24:50.000 Yeah.

03:24:50.000 Oh, they know how to cook some bears up there.

03:24:51.000 Yeah, you know that work.

03:24:53.000 Yeah.

03:24:53.000 So we did that and then like made a kind of like butter and all this kind of cool stuff.

03:24:59.000 Kind of drizzly deal.

03:25:00.000 Wrapped it in bacon.

03:25:02.000 Wrapped pork in bacon.

03:25:04.000 And then put it on the grill.

03:25:05.000 It was freaking awesome.

03:25:06.000 Do you know that guy?

03:25:07.000 He's a cook.

03:25:08.000 He's on YouTube.

03:25:09.000 What is his name?

03:25:10.000 Guga.

03:25:11.000 G-U-G-A. Guga Foods.

03:25:13.000 He's always cooking steak, like different ways to cook steak.

03:25:16.000 But the other way he did it the other day was he marinated it in buttermilk for like a week.

03:25:22.000 What?

03:25:23.000 Yeah, took a steak, marinated it in buttermilk for a week, and when he pulled the steak out, he could see the buttermilk was breaking the steak down.

03:25:28.000 That's at Guga Foods.

03:25:30.000 That dude.

03:25:31.000 See if you can find his buttermilk steak one.

03:25:35.000 Oh, he cooks a brisket in Coca-Cola.

03:25:38.000 This guy is every human way possible to cook a steak.

03:25:42.000 This guy's done it.

03:25:42.000 What's your favorite way to cook a steak?

03:25:44.000 I am a reverse sear guy.

03:25:47.000 Same.

03:25:47.000 Yeah, I got taught that by Chad from Whiskey Bent Barbecue.

03:25:55.000 He says that the best way, particularly for wild game, without a doubt it's the best way for wild game, take it, and so here it is with buttermilk.

03:26:03.000 So he did it, one for 24 hours, and he did one of them where he sat in the buttermilk for a week and he said it was sensational.

03:26:11.000 Maybe one of the tracks.

03:26:12.000 Look at that.

03:26:14.000 Yeah, buttermilk just pulled.

03:26:16.000 We do that with ducks afterwards and pulls out a lot of stuff out there.

03:26:20.000 That's awesome. 1.00

03:26:21.000 This guy knows how to cook some fucking steak. 0.99

03:26:22.000 Yeah, let's do it. 0.99

03:26:23.000 My way is I like to use either Traeger or the best way, honestly, if I have the time, is I use an offset grill with actual hardwood.

03:26:32.000 Sure.

03:26:32.000 So I'll cook, you know, get some live oak in there, and I'll get it up to about 250 degrees, and then I'll put the steaks in there with meter thermometers, and I get it internally up to about 120, and then either I sear it on a cast iron pan, or I also have one of those infrared things.

03:26:52.000 What are those called again? 0.99

03:26:54.000 Fuck, they sent it to me. 1.00

03:26:55.000 I should shout them out. 1.00

03:26:59.000 I know who Sean Baker uses them all the time.

03:27:02.000 But it's like a tray.

03:27:03.000 Sean's awesome.

03:27:04.000 Yeah, he's great.

03:27:05.000 And it runs on gas.

03:27:06.000 And you just slide it in there and it's like an overhead grill.

03:27:10.000 What is it called?

03:27:11.000 Auto Wild Grill.

03:27:12.000 That's it.

03:27:12.000 Auto Wild Grill.

03:27:13.000 How about Sean being a freak for eating a bunch of meat and being a giant person?

03:27:18.000 70 years old. 1.00

03:27:19.000 He's fucking throwing insane weight around. 1.00

03:27:22.000 No TRT. No nothing. 1.00

03:27:24.000 I remember him from the Throws days.

03:27:26.000 Oh, do you really?

03:27:26.000 He used to compete.

03:27:27.000 He's a big fucking dude. 1.00

03:27:29.000 He's a monster. 1.00

03:27:29.000 And he's very smart. 1.00

03:27:30.000 He is.

03:27:31.000 And anybody who says you can't only eat meat, you need to pay attention to him because that's all he eats. 0.72

03:27:36.000 And he looks super fucking healthy.

03:27:38.000 And he's doing jujitsu and training. 0.94

03:27:40.000 And he's older than me.

03:27:42.000 Yeah, he spoke at SummerStrong last year and came in and then he was deadlifting with everyone.

03:27:47.000 He pulled like a six-something deadlift and then like 400 for 25 reps or something like that.

03:27:52.000 And he's just like, hey, I'm going to go have another steak.

03:27:54.000 And got me kind of on it.

03:27:56.000 He eats steaks all day long.

03:27:57.000 That's all he eats.

03:27:58.000 He doesn't take vitamins, I don't think.

03:28:00.000 I know you've done carnivore.

03:28:03.000 I actually called Sean about it because I was like, all right, I need to give this a whirl.

03:28:07.000 It's worth it.

03:28:08.000 It's worth doing.

03:28:09.000 Yeah.

03:28:10.000 It's legit.

03:28:11.000 Yeah.

03:28:12.000 I mean, I don't do it all the time.

03:28:15.000 I'll eat pasta if I feel like it.

03:28:18.000 I'll have vegetables if I feel like it.

03:28:19.000 But I would say 90% of my food is meat.

03:28:21.000 Yeah.

03:28:22.000 Meat or eggs.

03:28:23.000 Meat or eggs, yeah.

03:28:24.000 I think that's the most nutrient-dense food.

03:28:26.000 My body reacts better when I'm not running on carbohydrates.

03:28:30.000 I'm running on ketones or when your body processes protein and turns it into glucose, which is like Just more regulated for me.

03:28:39.000 You do whatever you want.

03:28:40.000 But I would say try it.

03:28:42.000 If you're a person that eats meat, I would say give it a shot.

03:28:44.000 Just give it a month.

03:28:45.000 One month.

03:28:46.000 I did one time I lost 12 pounds. 0.95

03:28:48.000 I felt fucking great. 0.58

03:28:49.000 I had all this energy. 0.96

03:28:50.000 And I was like, oh, okay, I'm poisoning myself.

03:28:53.000 I'm limiting my performance, at least my mental performance.

03:28:57.000 Right.

03:28:58.000 Yeah, I started getting on it.

03:28:59.000 A month or two ago, just a bit.

03:29:01.000 I was like, yeah, I'd give it a shot.

03:29:02.000 I was eating a ton of venison.

03:29:03.000 But gosh, I love blackberries.

03:29:06.000 Blackberries and cottage cheese, I think, are like the weirdest thing that I just...

03:29:09.000 I could eat it until...

03:29:10.000 I don't think there's anything wrong with fruit.

03:29:12.000 You know, that's like Paul Saladino's move.

03:29:14.000 I eat fruit.

03:29:15.000 So what Paul does is he incorporates fruit, honey, and raw dairy with meat.

03:29:20.000 Okay.

03:29:21.000 And then Sean just eats meat.

03:29:23.000 Yeah.

03:29:23.000 But I can't imagine an argument where fruit's bad for you.

03:29:27.000 I would say don't eat all the fruit.

03:29:29.000 Right.

03:29:30.000 That's the problem. 0.81

03:29:31.000 I could bomb.

03:29:31.000 Have a couple oranges or have a couple bananas or a bowl of blueberries with some yogurt.

03:29:36.000 Why is that bad?

03:29:37.000 It can't be bad.

03:29:38.000 It can't be bad, right?

03:29:38.000 No.

03:29:39.000 They're good for you.

03:29:40.000 They're filled with vitamins.

03:29:42.000 They taste good.

03:29:43.000 It's also enjoyable to eat a piece of melon.

03:29:45.000 It tastes good.

03:29:46.000 It's fun.

03:29:47.000 Again, I'm not trying to be the goat at not eating blueberries. 1.00

03:29:51.000 I think the number one thing is don't eat bullshit. 1.00

03:29:53.000 And when you go on a carnivore diet, you are automatically cutting out a lot of bullshit. 1.00

03:29:58.000 You're cutting out a lot of enriched wheat and processed fucking grains and all this bullshit. 0.99

03:30:04.000 And you're cutting out pesticides that might be on your... 1.00

03:30:08.000 You're shit. 1.00

03:30:08.000 There's a lot of things you're cutting out when you're just eating steak. 1.00

03:30:12.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

03:30:13.000 Do you eat a lot of whitetail or no?

03:30:14.000 Yeah, sure, yeah.

03:30:16.000 I mean, if I get one.

03:30:17.000 Sure.

03:30:18.000 I have one in the freezer now.

03:30:19.000 You're 19 elk a year.

03:30:20.000 Yeah, two.

03:30:22.000 But I got two whitetails last year, too.

03:30:25.000 That's awesome.

03:30:25.000 I turned them into sausages.

03:30:27.000 Yeah.

03:30:27.000 I, you know, cook the back straps and butter and garlic.

03:30:31.000 Back straps and butter and garlic.

03:30:33.000 That's one that a lot of times I just like to cook on a cast iron pan.

03:30:38.000 Yes.

03:30:38.000 Especially whitetail.

03:30:39.000 There's something about whitetail tenderloins with butter and garlic.

03:30:45.000 That is hard to beat.

03:30:46.000 That's my kid's favorite food.

03:30:48.000 So hard to beat.

03:30:49.000 Yeah.

03:30:49.000 A little salt, garlic, butter.

03:30:52.000 Cracked pepper. 0.99

03:30:53.000 So stupid good. 1.00

03:30:54.000 Oh my god. 1.00

03:30:55.000 So good.

03:30:56.000 My son and I will eat easily a full loin.

03:30:59.000 And you feel fantastic.

03:31:01.000 It's unbelievable.

03:31:02.000 You feel the vitamins and the meat.

03:31:05.000 That's what an animal is supposed to make you feel like when you eat it.

03:31:08.000 Whitetail gets a bat and it's like, oh, just a whitetail.

03:31:11.000 Whitetails are great. 1.00

03:31:12.000 People are silly. 1.00

03:31:13.000 Yeah, they are. 1.00

03:31:14.000 People are so silly when it comes to... 1.00

03:31:16.000 I know people don't even eat their elk. 1.00

03:31:17.000 They don't eat their elk.

03:31:18.000 They go elk hunting and then they donate it to the church.

03:31:21.000 That's a lot of work for...

03:31:21.000 They just like to hunt.

03:31:23.000 Which, I mean, I guess it's okay because you're providing people with free food and it doesn't go to waste.

03:31:28.000 But...

03:31:29.000 It's the best food in the world, and you're not eating it?

03:31:31.000 Yeah, the best.

03:31:32.000 That seems so crazy to me.

03:31:33.000 Yeah, yeah.

03:31:34.000 You know?

03:31:34.000 I cook up every week.

03:31:36.000 I cook up like a bunch of elk meat in a bunch of different ways, and then I have it in the fridge.

03:31:41.000 So that's my meal prep for the week.

03:31:42.000 Do you eat it cold?

03:31:42.000 I saw that.

03:31:43.000 Do you eat it cold?

03:31:43.000 Cold with hot sauce.

03:31:45.000 Is that the move?

03:31:45.000 That's what I like to do.

03:31:46.000 I like to take a plate, put some meat on there, dump some hot sauce on the plate, and just dip it in the hot sauce and eat it cold.

03:31:53.000 Any good hot sauce?

03:31:54.000 Any specific?

03:31:55.000 Well, I like it hot.

03:31:56.000 I actually have my own little collaboration that I did with Senor Lechuga.

03:32:01.000 Oh, I saw that.

03:32:02.000 Three different hot sauces.

03:32:04.000 One of them comes from my friend Andrew at Half Face Blades.

03:32:08.000 He had one.

03:32:08.000 It was so good.

03:32:09.000 I said, can I include that one?

03:32:11.000 Because I'm doing a collaboration.

03:32:12.000 We made an agreement.

03:32:13.000 So it's like it has the Half Face Blades logo on it as well.

03:32:17.000 That's with sun-dried peppers.

03:32:19.000 I saw that.

03:32:21.000 Tell you what all the stuff is.

03:32:22.000 Go to the Senor Lechuga site.

03:32:24.000 I made my son.

03:32:24.000 I got Andy to make me a half-face blade.

03:32:27.000 For me, my dad, and my two boys, so they're all matching.

03:32:30.000 And the goal of it was you either carry your dad's, your son's, or your brother's knife.

03:32:35.000 So we all switch.

03:32:36.000 Oh, that's cool.

03:32:36.000 And I cut my son, who's eight years old now, I cut his umbilical cord with his knife.

03:32:42.000 Whoa.

03:32:42.000 Yeah, which is weird.

03:32:43.000 I sent that to Andy.

03:32:44.000 That's heavy.

03:32:44.000 Yeah, it was awesome.

03:32:45.000 I rubbed his first drop of blood into the handle.

03:32:47.000 Give him that knife. 0.97

03:32:48.000 So, heirloom tomatoes, winter truffle, and reapers.

03:32:52.000 Oh, now we're talking.

03:32:52.000 Yeah, that's Andy's.

03:32:54.000 And that one fucking rules. 0.99

03:32:56.000 But the other ones rule too. 0.99

03:32:57.000 The habanera, urfa, chili, paprika. 0.99

03:33:00.000 That's a fucking banger. 1.00

03:33:01.000 But these are hot, hot sauces. 0.99

03:33:04.000 Where can I buy these now?

03:33:05.000 SeniorLechuga.com.

03:33:06.000 Sweet.

03:33:08.000 SeniorLechugaHotsauce.com, brother.

03:33:09.000 Awesome.

03:33:09.000 Have you ever done a deer leg?

03:33:11.000 If you can't...

03:33:12.000 I'm not like a hot hot.

03:33:13.000 I'm like a tasty.

03:33:14.000 It's tasty.

03:33:15.000 Okay. 0.99

03:33:15.000 But it's going to fuck you up if you're not ready. 0.99

03:33:18.000 It's really like that. 0.99

03:33:19.000 Yeah, it's real.

03:33:21.000 That guy makes hot sauce.

03:33:24.000 It's got reapers in it.

03:33:25.000 It's legit. 1.00

03:33:27.000 It kicks your ass. 1.00

03:33:28.000 I sweat. 1.00

03:33:29.000 My kids make fun of me because I'm bald.

03:33:31.000 So when I sweat, it's just pouring down my face.

03:33:34.000 They're like, what is wrong with you?

03:33:36.000 I'm a sweater.

03:33:37.000 Have you ever done a deer leg like the flip-flop style?

03:33:40.000 Have you ever seen the Andy flip-flop guy?

03:33:43.000 I have to cook it for you sometime.

03:33:44.000 So badass.

03:33:45.000 So you get a deer leg with a shank still on it.

03:33:48.000 Super hot grill.

03:33:50.000 Put it on the coals? 0.99

03:33:52.000 Well, the grill is like hot as shit. 0.99

03:33:54.000 Like 1100 or he's like cooking, right? 0.99

03:33:56.000 Blasting.

03:33:57.000 So he has this special sauce and his granddad, I believe, started it.

03:34:02.000 It's a special sauce that's like...

03:34:05.000 The way to flip-flop.

03:34:06.000 Yeah.

03:34:07.000 Best way to grill venison.

03:34:08.000 All right, let me see what you got.

03:34:09.000 Yeah, so you basically get this sauce.

03:34:13.000 You mix it with wine.

03:34:17.000 You paint it with a rosemary brush.

03:34:19.000 You salt and pepper it.

03:34:21.000 And then you flip it.

03:34:22.000 You just put it down on the grill.

03:34:24.000 30 seconds.

03:34:25.000 Okay.

03:34:26.000 While you're cooking that side, you're painting the other side, salt and pepper.

03:34:30.000 And you flip it.

03:34:31.000 You shave the first quarter inch.

03:34:34.000 And so the longest it takes you to shave the first quarter inch, repaint it, re-salt and pepper it, and then you flip it.

03:34:40.000 And so when you're in it, you're going to consume an entire deer leg in the next hour and a half, and you're in it.

03:34:46.000 Oh, you know what that's like?

03:34:48.000 It's so freaking good.

03:34:48.000 That's like Brazilian steakhouses.

03:34:50.000 Yeah, exactly.

03:34:50.000 But it just boom, boom, boom, boom.

03:34:52.000 So we'll do it at parties.

03:34:54.000 And you get a couple of dudes, you get your boys, and you're all drinking some bourbon.

03:34:57.000 Oh, look at that.

03:34:59.000 And just slicing pieces off.

03:35:01.000 It's so good, man.

03:35:03.000 That looks sensational. 0.97

03:35:04.000 It's ridiculous. 0.98

03:35:05.000 Oh, my God. 0.98

03:35:05.000 He taught me how to do it. 0.98

03:35:06.000 I've actually gone to a couple events and helped him out.

03:35:09.000 But I've cooked him at birthday parties.

03:35:11.000 Oh, that's a great idea.

03:35:12.000 It's so dope.

03:35:13.000 You know what I want to do?

03:35:14.000 I'm supposed to hunt with Rinella in March.

03:35:17.000 Yeah.

03:35:19.000 Maybe we'll try that.

03:35:20.000 Yeah.

03:35:21.000 If you want me to know, I'll frickin' cook one for you.

03:35:23.000 I'm sure you could do that with any other wild game, too.

03:35:25.000 Yeah, we've done it with sheep.

03:35:26.000 We've done it.

03:35:26.000 Elk is kind of a monster.

03:35:28.000 Well, it's such a big leg.

03:35:29.000 Yeah.

03:35:29.000 But if you have a smaller sort of...

03:35:31.000 That is...

03:35:32.000 That's the move.

03:35:33.000 And now you'll paint it.

03:35:34.000 Ah.

03:35:35.000 And then you'll salt pepper in it. 0.98

03:35:36.000 Big ass knife like that so you don't burn your knuckles. 0.99

03:35:38.000 That looks fucking great. 1.00

03:35:40.000 It's insane. 0.99

03:35:41.000 And what is in the sauce again?

03:35:42.000 He won't tell me exactly, but it's... 0.99

03:35:44.000 What the fuck? 0.99

03:35:45.000 Come on, Andy, get with it. 1.00

03:35:47.000 He won't tell you. 0.99

03:35:48.000 How bullshit is that? 1.00

03:35:50.000 It has all kinds of... 1.00

03:35:51.000 So there it is.

03:35:53.000 Two bottles of Private Reserve, our flagship sauce.

03:35:56.000 Oh, it's the sauce.

03:35:57.000 Well, it's the sauce, yeah.

03:35:58.000 One bottle of...

03:35:59.000 He won't tell you what's in the sauce.

03:36:00.000 Right.

03:36:00.000 One bottle of red wine.

03:36:02.000 Cabernet or Zinfandel will work, depending on if you're non-binary.

03:36:05.000 Salt and pepper to taste.

03:36:07.000 One quarter cup to one half bottle of rosemary-infused olive oil.

03:36:11.000 Boy, that's a big gap.

03:36:12.000 Quarter cup to a half bottle.

03:36:14.000 It's like a glug, glug, glug.

03:36:15.000 Yeah.

03:36:15.000 And then you drink bourbon.

03:36:16.000 Three to four loaves of French bread.

03:36:18.000 Several sprigs of fresh rosemary.

03:36:20.000 It's awesome. 0.89

03:36:21.000 Sounds pretty fucking good.

03:36:22.000 Dude, it's... 0.97

03:36:23.000 Bert, I think we did like three hours and 20 minutes.

03:36:26.000 How long have we done?

03:36:27.000 Up?

03:36:28.000 More?

03:36:28.000 Three and a half?

03:36:29.000 Three thirds?

03:36:30.000 Let's know Evan Hafer, but...

03:36:31.000 Dude, time just flew by.

03:36:32.000 That was super fun.

03:36:33.000 It was a lot of fun, man.

03:36:33.000 Thanks for your awesome equipment, too.

03:36:35.000 Thanks.

03:36:36.000 I just tell everybody, you outfitted my gym at home. 0.98

03:36:38.000 It's fucking incredible. 0.96

03:36:40.000 Thanks, man. 0.98

03:36:40.000 Keeps me from going nuts. 0.98

03:36:42.000 It's the best.

03:36:43.000 I love all your equipment. 0.95

03:36:44.000 It's fucking so fantastic. 0.97

03:36:46.000 You know what I use almost every day is that Frankenhyper? 0.99

03:36:49.000 Yeah!

03:36:49.000 That thing is so versatile.

03:36:51.000 Back feeling better?

03:36:52.000 Oh, it's so great.

03:36:53.000 It's such a good device because you can do reverse hypers, you can do back extensions, you can do sit-ups off of it.

03:36:59.000 You can do so many different things off of it.

03:37:01.000 Well, I have a new module coming.

03:37:03.000 We're relaunching it.

03:37:04.000 So if you want, bring your old one here and I'll put the new one in your house.

03:37:07.000 What are you going to do?

03:37:08.000 What is the difference?

03:37:09.000 It has some assisted and resisted abilities.

03:37:12.000 So you could do some, if you're not quite as strong, you're going to come back, return to play.

03:37:17.000 So there's some different stuff that you could do with it.

03:37:19.000 Oh, okay.

03:37:20.000 Well, you're very innovative, man.

03:37:22.000 Your stuff is really cool.

03:37:23.000 Thank you.

03:37:23.000 It means a lot.

03:37:24.000 And you've also outfitted the whole UFC PI Center. 0.99

03:37:27.000 When you go there, it's all Soarin' X shit. 0.99

03:37:30.000 It's cool. 0.99

03:37:30.000 You're trying, man. 0.99

03:37:31.000 Whenever I go to a gym and I see Soarin' X, it makes me feel happy.

03:37:34.000 It's cool.

03:37:35.000 I appreciate it.

03:37:36.000 I'll be honest, it makes me feel really happy when I see you wear Sorenx shirts.

03:37:39.000 It's like, man, that's dope.

03:37:40.000 I appreciate that.

03:37:41.000 My pleasure, brother.

03:37:41.000 Thank you.

03:37:42.000 Alright, website?

03:37:44.000 Sorenx.com?

03:37:45.000 Sorenx.com.

03:37:47.000 There it is at the UFC PI. That's all Sorenx equipment.

03:37:51.000 Social media.

03:37:52.000 What's your Instagram?

03:37:53.000 I'm Burt Soren.

03:37:54.000 Alright, and there's the new machine, the X Factor, that we just got today here at the studio.

03:37:59.000 Alright, my brother.

03:38:00.000 Thanks very much.

03:38:01.000 Appreciate you.

03:38:01.000 Alright, bye everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - December 12, 2024

Joe Rogan Experience #2242 - Bert Sorin

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