In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience podcast, Joe sits down with Soren Sorenx CEO and Co-Founder, Judd Sorenson, to talk about his new machine, The X-Factor, a rotational power machine that allows you to push and pull while stabilizing your core.
00:01:35.000Yeah, because you have a little bit of a balance component as well, but you're right, like you're blocking, let's say you're a right hander, you're blocking on that left leg, you're stabilizing out the right hamstring and hip.
00:01:44.000But yeah, especially when you get that little extra extension, I call it the riblets right there, your obliques, it just locks everything in.
00:01:50.000So I'm interested to see what you come up with.
00:02:01.000So we've, you know, I've been in this industry a long time, as well as you have, but it's kind of taken a remastered series where we're taking all, like, the cool stuff that was...
00:02:10.000Could have been our designs, but it could have been just old designs that were just, like, kind of lost to the ages.
00:02:15.000And we're like, hey, that was a cool piece, but it sucked because you had to load it weird, or it was like...
00:02:21.000Maybe it wasn't as safe as it could have been.
00:02:23.000And so it's like, let's break the whole thing apart, figure out what was good about it.
00:02:27.000And then that was like the eighth iteration.
00:03:22.000And then you're just like, hey, if that guy's really good at something.
00:03:26.000Back in the day, I would, after I'd compete, probably much like you, After I compete, I would get whoever was better than me and I would offer to take them out to dinner.
00:03:34.000And I would just go, hey, like I'd feed them beers until they basically told me how they beat me.
00:03:41.000Just like, well, how much are you cleaning or what are you doing?
00:03:44.000Then I would pick up some little idiosyncrasy of training.
00:03:47.000They're like, oh, we would do this contrast.
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00:10:58.000I was biting my tongue the whole time.
00:10:59.000I was riding on a plane and I was like, all I could see is that cat in sweatpants with his shorts on top of his sweatpants riding a tricycle or whatever down this hill.
00:11:07.000He's one of the rare guys that was like a child actor that turned out really awesome.
00:12:15.000But yeah, I remember in the backyard shooting, because he kind of half-taught me, and then I was in the backyard zinging arrows, and thinking, like, if I had explosive tips, like, how badass would this be?
00:12:23.000I went to Lanai, and, you know, they have the Pineapple Brothers, and I brought my whole family.
00:12:30.000And then they also have this area where you can go, and you can, like, shoot skeet, and you drive, like...
00:13:13.000Or they're weird guys that smell like sausage and live in their mom's basement.
00:13:17.000And they're like, yeah, I know you do that, but you probably go to like Ren Fairs and stuff too, so I'm not sure what's to deal with.
00:13:23.000Well, at Archery Country, the local archery shop here in town, whenever I get a new bow or I get a new sight and I have to sight it in, they have an indoor range.
00:13:34.000And a lot of times in the indoor range, there's these dorks.
00:13:58.000When they get good, like I've seen Schneider make groups at 40 that are like the size of a silver dollar.
00:14:05.000But most people struggle pretty hardcore.
00:14:10.000But they say also that if you do want to hunt with it, you have to practice every day because it's almost like throwing a ball.
00:14:16.000Like, you know, if you're throwing a ball, you know how much the ball weighs because you've thrown it a bunch of times and you have like this muscle memory that if I throw that hard at 20 yards, I'm going to hit that thing.
00:14:59.000I know, but there's something about dialing it in to like 47 yards, drawing back and centering your pin, and just watching that shot break and watch that arrow go exact.
00:16:46.000But the really important thing is drilling.
00:16:49.000And drilling with, like, a certain amount of rigor, like a certain amount of speed and intensity.
00:16:55.000You know, you're not trying to hurt each other, but you're drilling with, like, intention so that your body is completely...
00:17:04.000Accustomed to these movements like your your body recognizes these movements and like you slap that elbow Grab that armpit get that arm drag and you get the choke It's almost like it happens before you even know it's happening because your brain is so Just it's just wired in there.
00:17:25.000You're you're you're Your whole nervous system knows exactly what to do.
00:17:29.000It's like a cascading effect, like an if-then kind of deal.
00:17:32.000Now, is that super slow drilling and then you just go to speed?
00:17:46.000But just a slight amount of, like you have good partners, a slight amount of resistance, but then go through those motions with like a little bit of speed, but not like full blast.
00:18:28.000Yeah, it's just you've done it so many times that when someone overextends or when someone gives up their neck, it just cinches up.
00:18:36.000It's just one of those things where your whole nervous system is just pre-programmed to these very specific movements.
00:18:44.000Yeah, so you've taken all these little closed skills, which are replicatable, and then put them in an open format where, like the if-then scenario, like the flowchart just goes, boom, go, go, go, go, no, go.
00:18:54.000And the best guys are the guys that drill constantly and then also study and take notes.
00:19:02.000Like Gordon Ryan, that's his belt up there.
00:19:41.000And so there's too many guys in jujitsu that were just like big muscle heads that would just like muscle a move and just give a lot of grunt.
00:19:50.000And you're never going to beat a technique guy who's just as strong as you.
00:21:25.000Which is interesting because I was watching this video where these guys were talking about this, these wrestlers, and they were saying that wrestling has always acknowledged that power is really important.
00:21:34.000But for some reason, jujitsu, they would like to pretend that it's not important, that technique is everything.
00:22:21.000So it's like a shot put, steel ball, 16-pound steel ball on a one-meter, three-foot-long wire.
00:22:27.000So what you see on the Olympics, they spin around really, really fast and yell and scream and always make the highlight reels of guys that scream.
00:24:15.000So like, you think about it, you're like, man, you're literally kind of placing your family's stone of like, I'm going off, and if I don't show up, like...
00:24:24.000Dude, I was in Scotland last year, and there was...
00:27:53.000And then, actually, so what happened...
00:27:55.000After, back in the 80s, when Kazmaier was coming on the scene, you know, Bill Kazmaier, obviously, World's Strongest Man, kind of started the stage.
00:28:02.000He allegedly picked it up, you know, it was the man thing, if he could pick it up, he picked it up and carried it across the street and bellied it up to the bar and laid it onto the bar and had a beer.
00:29:37.000We all got running and then he kind of left me and then he got to the top and then did his dance and then he came back down and like, hey man.
00:31:17.000Something's wrong with them or something.
00:31:18.000But the bottom line is unknown and unknowable was not my sport.
00:31:21.000My sport was extremely known and extremely knowable.
00:31:23.000I know the Olympic trials are on this day and I need to show up really far.
00:31:26.000And also, if you want to be a power lifter or if you want to do some just completely power-focused exercise, it does not benefit you to spend time getting in, like, extreme cardiovascular shape like you do need to do what kind of running the cam does.
00:31:41.000Yeah, and it's not even not beneficial.
00:32:47.000For that moment when like a fucking giant bull walks in between the trees and you have a 70-yard shot, you have to 100% be confident that you can make that shot.
00:32:59.000And so I'm shooting at 84 yards over and over.
00:34:12.000Man, for me, it's helped me quite a bit.
00:34:16.000Pretty quickly, too, like three weeks later.
00:34:18.000Was it on that specific spot, or are they firing something else to balance it out?
00:34:22.000No, they're firing a lot of different parts of your back.
00:34:24.000So it's like both sides of my back, my obliques, my core.
00:34:28.000And just going through a bunch of rotational exercises and a bunch of different things to strengthen lower back and just you know you're getting a lot of blood flow through there and stretching it and it's it just was I was getting pain and I was like shut up pussy and I would just ignore the pain and then it just got bad yeah it got bad to the point where my hips were getting kind of numb and when I was hiking up hills like in October when I was hunting in October it was bothering me a lot I was like okay I've got to really do something about yeah because you could be you know Talk yourself in or out of something really hard,
00:34:58.000but if it's something that's just going to be chronic, you're like, well, I'm screwing myself.
00:35:01.000I was turning it chronic, but it's a lot better now.
00:36:05.000At Stubbs, I was going to Stubbs, which is like this outside concert venue, and I was looking at my phone to turn my voice recorder on so I could record.
00:36:14.000And as I was doing that, I twisted my knee on this concrete step, just yanked the shit out of it to the point where my leg was shaking while I was on stage because I was in pain.
00:36:23.000It looked like I was super nervous, but it was really just pain.
00:36:27.000I think at this point you get super nervous on stage when you're talking.
00:36:30.000No, once I'm up there, I'm not nervous at all.
00:37:25.000Yeah, and it's almost, I don't know, sometimes it's good when it's more dynamic where you don't know when it's going to happen, but looking forward to something is pretty badass, too, because then you can start focusing training and focusing efforts and then going through almost stages of guilt, but stages of excitement.
00:37:45.000Yeah, that's what it is with everything.
00:37:47.000I mean I think it's these processes of like recognizing there's a goal, working towards it, solving problems, working hard, pushing yourself through discipline.
00:40:19.000It's a different way to live, that's for sure.
00:40:21.000But, you know, I was talking with this gentleman yesterday, Rick Strassman, who's a scientist.
00:40:29.000But we were talking about the time where he was living in Alaska, and he was living in Alaska, and he lived in Southern California, and then he moved to Fairbanks, where it's 39 degrees below zero.
00:44:00.000You put all this stuff into the rangefinder.
00:44:03.000And the rangefinder knows exactly how heavy your arrow is, exactly what the peak of it's going to be as it comes off your bow, how fast it's going, and it gives you a line.
00:44:13.000So if I'm shooting through a gap in some trees, and I actually did this a couple years ago.
00:45:11.000I shot this big bull, and he was coming through this gap, and I wasn't sure if the arrow was going to make it there, so I pulled out the second rangefinder, and I clicked on that, and I got the height of the arrow.
00:45:21.000I knew I could make it, and then I used the rangefinding sight.
00:46:49.000So you can show you how it works there.
00:46:52.000So what's really good about that is not just you know where the animal is, so if you have to go around somewhere and get back to them, you'll be able to get back if you're trying to get away from the wind.
00:47:05.000Well, the spot and stalk is so nice because we were hunting mule deer in Arizona, and you could Same thing.
00:47:12.000You're circling around and your depth of perception, I've been 200 yards off.
00:47:18.000I feel like this is more designed, though, for the rifle hunter.
00:47:24.000They're even showing guys going 2,000 yards with this thing.
00:47:27.000I feel like for the bow hunter, they just need to add, maybe they'll just make it too big, but add that height of arrow technology.
00:47:35.000I don't know why they wouldn't put that in there.
00:48:32.000That is, to me, I've had a bunch of different ones that were really cool, like Aaron Schneider turned me on to this Nikon a while back that was image stabilizing.
00:55:22.000Because for folks at home, say if you have a 50-pound bow, you could probably get away with a 320 green arrow, 330, 350. So the higher the number, the more flexible the spine of the arrow is and the lighter the arrow will be.
00:55:38.000So I shoot a 250. So it's got like a nice, stiff...
01:00:16.000There's fucking zero advantage of being weak.
01:00:18.000No, there's never a time you're like, you know what, if I could just get my squat down a bit, that would really pan out for me.
01:00:24.000One thing, though, that is really important, this actually really pays off, if you can train with a guy who's small, Like if you can learn jujitsu with a guy who's small, you'll learn the best jujitsu.
01:00:53.000So if you can learn jiu-jitsu from like a Barrett Yoshida or a Hoyler Gracie or Eddie Bravo or there's a few of those.
01:01:00.000Gabe, Gabe Tuttle who teaches over here at 10th Planet.
01:01:02.000Small guy jiu-jitsu is the best jiu-jitsu because it has to be razor sharp because they don't have the physical strength like overpower an arm.
01:01:12.000Get you into a certain position just from raw horsepower.
01:01:15.000They have to like sneak it in there with leverage and they have to do everything perfectly.
01:01:19.000So those guys, if you learn jujitsu from them, you're going to learn like the most technical jujitsu.
01:01:26.000Is that like obviously a reason why you should learn younger when you're small and weak?
01:01:31.000Well, it's always good to learn young because first of all, it becomes a natural part of your movement.
01:01:37.000Like it's like as your body matures, your body's...
01:01:40.000I think it's more important with striking than anything.
01:01:42.000It's very rare that someone learns how to strike while they're already physically mature and can ever reach the level of like a Floyd Mayweather.
01:01:52.000Because that guy, as he was a child, his body, his reflexes developed striking.
01:02:00.000And he's just got this massive encyclopedia of information that's available to him.
01:02:06.000He knows exactly when he sees you do this, he knows that straight left is coming, and he knows all he has to do is do this, and he knows the counter is going to be there when you go to look for the right hand afterwards.
01:02:21.000For you to build that up after you're 28, you're never going to be at his level.
01:02:30.000Unless you're some physical freak, which they do exist.
01:02:36.000Yeah, but what I've understood too is the potential for building speed, which is, let's be honest, speed is a big part of power, which is punching, right?
01:03:34.000The big ones is like anything that requires spinning.
01:03:37.000Like if you look at a good MMA fighter that doesn't have like a Taekwondo background and you teach them how to throw a wheel kick, they'll never be able to throw a wheel kick like a real Taekwondo black belt.
01:03:50.000There's certain guys That, like, as they're young, they're developing these spinning techniques, and they just got it wired in, their whole nervous system.
01:04:00.000And it's so smooth and fluid that the power is so extraordinary.
01:04:06.000And, you know, I've taught people that were, like, elite MMA fighters, and I try to teach them how to throw things like a spinning back kick, for instance.
01:04:14.000And it takes a long time for them, even, like, John Jones' one that he landed.
01:04:24.000That guy is like what we're talking about.
01:04:27.000There's some guys, you can teach them things when they're in their 30s and they can develop it like someone who's been doing it their whole life.
01:05:01.000So you're learning to do the most, because if you're doing it for a job, you're going to do the most efficient method possible to move an object, right?
01:05:08.000You're also going to develop rotational strength.
01:07:04.000How about he has one boxing fight and he knocks down the heavyweight champion of the world and one of the greatest heavyweight boxers of all time.
01:07:09.000He hits him with a left hook and drops him and almost won.
01:08:49.000But that guy, the guy who knocked out Michael Spinks, the guy who knocked out Larry Holmes, the guy who won the title from Trevor Burbick, I think that guy's the greatest heavyweight fighter of all time.
01:10:42.000He was this British boxer, this guy from England who had a nasty left hook, and he caught Cassius Clay just BAP! Perfect one, and he slumps down the ropes.
01:10:53.000He was Dunsville, but it was at the end of the round, and then Angelo Dundee, I mean, that guy had been around the block.
01:13:16.000They know exactly, and then they're like, he's ready for this level of competition.
01:13:22.000So they'll give you a guy that'll offer you some struggles, some tests.
01:13:26.000Maybe he's got a big punch, and you might lose the fight, but you're most likely going to win, and this is how you find out if a guy's going to make it.
01:14:54.000And the thing you find out, too, is that the level at the UFC, as great as some of these guys look in these other organizations, the level at the UFC, that's the peak.
01:15:04.000Those are the greatest fighters on the planet.
01:15:07.000And we found out about that this past weekend because Alexandre Pantoja, who might be the best pound-for-pound fighter alive, he's the flyweight champion.
01:15:17.000He fought this dude, Kai Asakura from Japan, who's a fucking assassin.
01:16:00.000Because you go from a heavyweight fight to a flyweight fight.
01:16:03.000It's like listening to a podcast when you turn it to 1.5.
01:16:07.000I actually had to start listening to your podcast at regular speed because I thought you talked really fast.
01:16:14.000I was just like, oh, Joe, no one talks that fast, because I listen to it super fast.
01:16:18.000Somebody sent me a clip of someone, some political person, talking about one of the guests on the show, and I was like, what is wrong with the clip?
01:16:26.000And then I had to realize, oh, they got an unspeeded up version.
01:16:28.000Yeah, do you listen to stuff speeded up?
01:17:00.000So I like to think about the things, and I'll have more time to think about what this person's saying if they're not going at one and a half speed.
01:17:07.000Because if they're going at one and a half speed and going one concept to the next, then I'm like, wait a minute, I don't understand.
01:19:21.000Yeah, people getting their fucking eyeballs, like a giant sword shoved through their eyeballs, getting blown up, grenades in their mouth, like, hey!
01:20:35.000Pops used to be really, really into that.
01:20:38.000Thankfully, I know the guys at Nosler, so they just sent me ammo, which is nice.
01:20:41.000I've made the mistake of looking at social media before I go to bed, and I get mad, or I get upset, or I get sad, or I find out some weird shit that's going on in the world.
01:20:50.000And when I was younger, I'd read things that people would say about me, and I'd be like, oh my god, like, what is this, asshole?
01:21:18.000I have friends and they'll come to me, like they'll come to the comedy club or something, and they'll be like genuinely emotionally distraught because people are attacking them online.
01:22:04.000The problem is, Either engaging in the anger and the hate or having – reading people's anger and hate towards you and having it fuck your head up like, hey.
01:22:13.000Do you think it's something that's like systemic that is literally spreading and growing?
01:22:19.000Like the people that put that type of trash out all the time and then they think there's some sort of value to that and then other people see it.
01:23:50.000If you did that in front of me when you were around me, we could have a conversation about why I feel like you're incorrect and this assumption that you have of me is totally wrong.
01:24:01.000Also, if you're not talking to someone in person and you're saying something about that person, You could just kind of form some bullshit narrative.
01:24:13.000The person's right there, they'll go, that's not true.
01:24:16.000So you're saying something, and if it was true, then you'd be justified in your anger.
01:24:20.000But what you're saying is not true, and you're taking things completely out of context, and you don't know what you're talking about, and you're doing this because your life sucks.
01:25:35.000It's just the difference between that in Sport versus that and fighting though is in fighting you could I don't think you can maintain it No, like a guy like Jordan.
01:25:49.000He was dominating the basketball You can't really do that in fighting you think it John Jones the only one has been able to do you just takes so much aggression so much damage so much damage to your body and The damage to your body is huge.
01:26:03.000Because there's so much damage that happens just in training.
01:26:06.000John tore his peck off of his fucking shoulder in training.
01:26:28.000Hands break all the time like common gym injuries knee blows out noses Everybody's got a broken nose.
01:26:36.000I don't know anybody who does any kind of combat sports that hasn't broken their nose So there's like you after a while you can't breathe out of your nose your nose is destroyed your fucking hand hurts when you try to like open your car door and Yeah.
01:26:49.000And you have to punch people in the head with it.
01:30:44.000Like, it was a long time before I could kneel down on the ground.
01:30:48.000Like, if I had to kneel down and put my knees on the ground.
01:30:50.000Because they take a piece of bone out of your shin, and they take a piece of bone out of your kneecap, and then they take a slice out of your patella tendon.
01:30:57.000They pull that off, and they open you up like a fish, and they fucking drill it into your shin bone and drill it into your fibula.
01:31:09.000They get it in there, and then it's like a year before it feels like you could do anything with it.
01:31:14.000It took a while before I felt like I really trusted it, but I do have to say I was not as diligent with my rehabilitation back then as I was When I got this one done.
01:31:24.000With this one, I rehabbed it all myself.
01:31:52.000How do you think the recovery would have worked for us?
01:31:55.000Like with all these dings and injuries, because I've had a couple, I'm sure you probably have too, a couple of friends that got surgery, that actually the doctor hit them, side injection, and even IV with BPC-157 during the reattachment of a pec or a bicep.
01:33:59.000And I said, the weird part is, is you have a strength conditioning professional...
01:34:04.000And in some ways, there's more information cutting edge on a podcast from guys that are interested in training than there are from like the, you know, and I'm just like, hey guys, just open the scope a little bit.
01:34:18.000Well, there's enough of these guys that are super smart and also jacked, like these Andrew Huberman guys.
01:34:24.000And super smart guys that are in the bodybuilding.
01:35:32.000He was telling me about how he got his shoulder blown, got his shoulder replaced, and then immediately when he got back to the gym, they made him max out and bench.
01:35:40.000And I was like, what are you talking about?
01:35:45.000I was there in 2002, and so Louis and his wife Doris, and they would always meet the Bob Evans in the morning, and he would eat and do the whole deal.
01:35:54.000And he was telling me a story about how he got pissed off and he put something in his cell phone and he threw it out the window while he was driving.
01:36:03.000And then so he didn't have a cell phone for a couple weeks.
01:36:06.000And then he got to the gym and he missed a lift and he punched his own tooth out.
01:36:10.000Punched himself so hard he knocked his own tooth out and then took a wire brush that you like clean the chalk out of a barbell and smashed himself on the head.
01:36:42.000And he said that we would just literally kick them out the door.
01:36:45.000If they were fighting on the floor, we would kick them out of the way so they were out of the way of the monolith so we could keep squatting.
01:36:51.000Like, every 30 seconds, you're up, or 90 seconds, whatever.
01:36:54.000It's like, I don't care if you're fighting, literally, hitting each other with stuff.
01:37:33.000It was not a lot of estrogen in that room, right?
01:37:36.000So I'm like, oh man, this is going to be bad.
01:37:38.000Louie's like, hey, hey, come here, come here, come here.
01:37:40.000So he puts a weight vest on her and then puts a second weight vest, a 25-25, 50-pound weight vest, and takes her outside, wraps a belt around her waist with a sled, and had her walking, doing sled pulls, back and forth with 50 pounds of weight vest on her shoulders.
01:39:17.000Matt the Immortal Brown, I know he did some training with him, and I've always said that there's something about guys that used to be addicts, that have like died, and Matt died, and there's been a few guys that I know that came back, they were the scariest fucking people.
01:39:31.000Because they had crossed over, and then they realized there's a good addiction, the good addiction is to training.
01:39:37.000Just be completely addicted to training.
01:39:41.000Those are some of the fucking scariest.
01:40:50.000A buddy of mine, he trained at Westside and he said, I mean, half the time, he said, he's like, I've seen guys bench 700 pounds like on acid.
01:41:06.000I mean, that whole world is so extreme, right?
01:41:09.000The fighting world, the lifting, the throwing.
01:41:12.000Dudes would do some pretty wild stuff.
01:41:13.000Yeah, and whenever you get these male-oriented alpha characters that all get together and they're all butting heads and trying to figure out who's the baddest motherfucker around them...
01:41:25.000They also develop a culture of acceptance of certain aspects of life that come with the injuries and pain and suffering.
01:41:35.000Wrestlers, they brag on suffering the most.
01:41:39.000They want to suffer more than anybody.
01:46:19.000You should pre-load the back of your shirt.
01:46:21.000Make some cuts in it just in case someone grabs you.
01:46:25.000Because someone can just grab your t-shirt.
01:46:27.000There's actually a Gracie self-defense thing that was on that I was looking at the other day.
01:46:32.000It was a really smart move where this woman was showing that you can grab a hold of someone's t-shirt if you're a woman and you're getting attacked by a man.
01:46:41.000Just grabbing a hold of their t-shirt and then getting your legs around their neck.
01:47:13.000And he and I were goofing around, and I was on my back, and so I kind of got him the little leg scissors on his head, and I grabbed his arm, and I'm like, I'm going to pull his arm off.
01:49:47.000Like, as soon as you feel like he starts to stand up, you hook the leg, and worst case scenario, you transition to a leg bar, you let go of the triangle, you get control of that leg, and you use that leg either to try to cement him or sweep him.
01:49:59.000But you can never hold onto a triangle if the guy's standing up.
01:50:03.000It's just, look at that fucking concrete.
01:53:32.000The amount of money that's happening now, it's interesting because it actually, from a couple of my friends that are in that world, it creates a different conversation with the new kids.
01:53:42.000Because let's say in high school, they're bringing in these recruits and everything like that, and everyone is kissing their butt.
01:53:55.000But then the other side of it- I want a Corvette.
01:53:58.000Dude, I have friends that tell me that there are athletes who, when they're coming to a recruiting trip, say, if there's not a quarter million dollar signing bonus as just a part of the deal, I'm not getting on the plane for the recruiting trip.
01:56:24.000Yeah, no, it's just like, yeah, you rode your bike all around and you, like, find some weird woodpile.
01:56:29.000I remember when we were kids, someone had a video, I think it was like a Barnyard Betty type video, like when them ladies have sex with a bunch of animals.
01:56:41.000So if we had a video like that, we're playing in the basement, one of us had to go up to the top of the staircase and wait by the door so that no one could just open the door.
01:56:52.000So if they opened the door, you would pretend like, oh, I was just coming through the door.
01:56:57.000You know, so like you hold it out of the door so they can't get in.
01:58:03.000It just looks like a bunch of assholes, thinks it's fun to put drones up everywhere.
01:58:07.000But now there's all this weird mythology attached to it, where the governor was saying, sometimes as soon as we put eyes on them, they take off.
01:58:16.000But if I was a UFO, though, like if I was an alien and I knew that a bunch of people are trying to be smart asses and they're putting these drones in the sky, I'd be like, perfect time to visit.
01:59:37.000More likely would be they put like a time that someone could watch the video into the video where it's probably still fixable if someone still has it.
02:01:05.000Does it have like a cyclical rate like this many times?
02:01:09.000Because I know there's certain things like someone will send you something on Instagram and you can watch the video, but then you can't go back and watch it again.
02:01:30.000I don't even know how much of that encrypted messaging stuff works.
02:01:36.000I know when Tucker was saying that he was organizing that meeting with Putin in Russia and that the government called him up because they knew that he was meeting Putin because they had access to his signal.
02:04:13.000It goes back to anything that's banned, man.
02:04:15.000It makes you really start questioning.
02:04:18.000It does, but when they kind of all agree, there was very little pushback that there was real security problems with these phones, and not just phones, but network devices, routers, different components that had third-party entrants.
02:04:38.000So they had the capability of accessing information that's being transferred back and forth on a network through these routers.
02:04:46.000And then I think people are like, hey, why is that in there?
02:04:51.000And then they realize, oh, the Chinese government is in complete cahoots with Huawei.
02:04:55.000Like, if you own a company like Huawei, you're down with the government.
02:06:31.000But I know some of my buddies that were in the teams and stuff like that, they were like, oh, I remember seeing this back in 95 when I went through Buds.
02:06:39.000Maybe it was Green Team, but they were in that early, early days.
02:06:42.000Oh, I hadn't seen this video in forever.
02:06:44.000And then they kind of watched it and were like, oh my gosh, you're kind of getting all the background of that.
02:06:48.000But he was giving me, I can't remember where I was going with this, but he was giving me some insight, oh, about the Benz.
02:08:13.000Like if I could just have conversations with people with no phones and sitting, especially if I could get a scientist to sit in here and explain things to me for three hours, I would have always been interested in doing that.
02:08:28.000You have to become friends with them, and you can only be friends with so many of them, you know, and then you have to fly to them and sit down with them.
02:08:35.000Yeah, you spend all this time, and then you're like, you created a honey trap here.
02:08:37.000Then you're like, hey, I'll bring everyone here and talk to them.
02:08:39.000Well, as long as you can guarantee other people are going to listen, people want to talk about anything, which is really weird.
02:09:21.000Like we were talking about earlier, that's how they get engagement, by constantly getting in these...
02:09:27.000That's why they have those shows, like Pierce Morgan likes to do that, whereas four people on the show, they all yell over each other, and they're all remote, so no one's there.
02:10:50.000Well, especially if people get shouty and argue-y.
02:10:53.000You know, it's like there's a way to do it where you can just talk about stuff and not be dismissive of someone.
02:10:58.000I mean, I see so many people do it where they have their opinion, like Bill Marlach's do that, like dismiss something someone saying instantaneously as they're in the middle of explaining it.
02:11:23.000Because sometimes you have to have patience to let someone express themselves fully before you disagree, which is really important because sometimes someone will begin to express themselves and I disagree, but then they'll take it around And give me some nuance and some understanding of how they came to their opinion, then I'll go, okay.
02:11:57.000I want to know, are you a real thinker or are you a person who has adopted a conglomeration of ideas that comes along with an ideology?
02:12:07.000So there's really smart people that have done that and they might not even know they've done that until you corner them and then you find like Where did it come?
02:12:48.000What do you think that they can control and not control?
02:12:51.000Do you even understand children or are you sacrificing them and their future, these kids that you don't even know, for your ideology, for your ideological position that's like cult-like?
02:13:04.000And then you find out about people that think they're intelligent until they're confronted with these, like, insurmountable ethical dilemmas.
02:13:13.000A similar one to, let's say, someone who eats meat but hates hunting.
02:13:17.000You're like, you could not want to do it, but there's still a killing and a murder at some point, and you could either be a part of that or just outsource it and be okay with it.
02:13:28.000Well, that's a cultural thing, too, right?
02:13:30.000There's a lot of people in the UK that don't like hunting.
02:14:36.000I know that there's arguments that I've been in in my life that I could have avoided.
02:14:41.000If I was more skillful with conversation, and I know that I have avoided a lot of arguments, especially now as a smarter person than I was when I was younger.
02:15:34.000But it also, it helps that I know that I'm being nice.
02:15:36.000So if I'm nice to you and you're being a cunt to me and I'm trying to be nice to you again, you're just thinking that you can just get away with this.
02:15:43.000And that's when I like to go, hey, fuck you.
02:15:46.000And you see that look on their face like, oh no.
02:17:24.000Oh, I've had a couple close ones that you just kind of everyone walks away and it's like, whoo, because you get like, it's like, what was that movie like?
02:17:34.000Remember when he could see the situations and he like pauses it and you could see like, and when you like pauses and you're like, this would happen, this would happen, this would happen.
02:17:41.000And then you're like, oh, there's a dead guy.
02:17:57.000And then if they feel like they're being slighted, they feel like to be a man, because they want to be a man, you have to do something about it.
02:18:04.000Well, it's the number one question every man has.
02:18:40.000And you can solve it above and beyond all these other psychopaths.
02:18:45.000So you're competing with all these other people that are very much like you, but what separates you from them is the work that you put in, discipline, drive, mindset, whatever it is that you can find that gives you that edge to pull ahead from all these other people that are very, very competitive as well, doing the same thing.
02:19:03.000And with men, they feed off each other in those environments, like a Westside barbell, a cronk gym.
02:19:08.000Yeah, and then when you're wondering that, and then when someone questions it, It's publicly questions in front of your boys or front of whatever.
02:19:16.000It's like, no, I'll show you I'm good enough.
02:19:17.000I'll do something stupid right now and end up in jail.
02:19:20.000Especially someone who's just a walking dead man with a mouth.
02:19:23.000Like someone who knows they can't defend themselves and so they just feel comfortable doing that publicly because they think they're being protected by society.
02:21:13.000How did you decide to hit this guy because of that?
02:21:16.000It was screaming, and then screaming, started people screaming at the people screaming, which people were fighting the people that were screaming.
02:23:14.000And when you say, don't touch me, it gets hot, and then it's like, they might just touch you, because you said, don't touch me, and I'm telling you, don't touch me, and then you have to touch them, and then, oh, you're assaulting me.
02:23:27.000Like, no, no, no, you're still talking, so I haven't assaulted you.
02:23:30.000If I assaulted you, this would be over super quick.
02:23:48.000And we're walking through, and of course, truth be told, I'm walking through, my wife looks like a Viking also, and we're walking through D.C. during the height of everything.
02:26:57.000But it was like an open door to this psyche that has always existed.
02:27:03.000That mob mentality has always been a thing.
02:27:05.000And if you open that door and you allow it to stay open and you don't do something to close it with law and order, you have fucking madness.
02:30:02.000We got to see how many people fold as soon as there any sort of external pressure from either their surround or how many people got forced into it by their job.
02:30:12.000We got to see that and we got to see how there are unscrupulous groups in power That will coerce people to do things that are not scientific, they're not ethical, they're not moral, if they can profit off of it.
02:30:26.000And we got to see that, that they will use you as a human fucking ATM machine and they will figure out a way to maximize their profits and maximize their control.
02:30:37.000So now you can't think that the world is some sort of 1950s movie where the good guys wear the white hats and the bad guys wear the black hats.
02:30:45.000You got to realize, like, there's a lot of...
02:30:48.000Human interest shit going on, and humans have a certain interest in getting control over money and over people, and they do it whenever they can.
02:30:57.000And if they can do it through the guise of being progressive and kind, or if they can do it through the guise of, you know, whatever, pull yourself up by your bootstraps, whatever it is, they find a way to rationalize these very specific patterns of behavior That the founding fathers of this country fought against when they created the Bill of Rights and they created the Constitution.
02:31:18.000They did all that knowing that these human nature, these human instincts exist.
02:34:41.000Yeah, yeah, yeah, because they were doing a PSYOP, and they were all of a sudden making it seem like Kamala Harris was the dream that we'd always been looking for.
02:34:51.000And they were tricking people who recognized that she was an unpopular vice president just three weeks ago, and everybody was all of a sudden on board.
02:35:03.000But that was another thing, like, if you can learn from it, look, we got through it, it didn't work, but you should learn that the government will organize to do that to protect their position of power.
02:35:15.000The people that are in power, and we're not even saying they're evil, I'm not saying anything bad about them, but the people in the administration that's there currently, They're all going to lose their jobs, okay?
02:35:25.000So if they can keep their jobs, what's the way we keep our job?
02:35:28.000The way we keep our job is we present her as the best option possible.
02:35:33.000Even if they don't think that's true, they have a vested interest.
02:35:37.000You're talking about thousands of people that are in control of these very organizations that were going after social media and were getting them to take down factual information because it was dangerous to their narrative.
02:35:49.000So they have already shown that they don't have ethics.
02:35:52.000They have already shown that they don't give a fuck about freedom of speech and the First Amendment.
02:35:56.000What they want is to keep their fucking job and keep power and also not get in trouble for some of the shit they did that was maybe illegal, which we wouldn't even have known about if Elon didn't buy Twitter.
02:37:05.000So one of the things that, like there's this narrative, like he's such a bad businessman, Twitter is worth 20 billion dollars less than when he purchased it.
02:37:28.000People keep saying, I keep seeing this where people that go over to Blue Sky, they keep saying, What Elon's done is highlight right-wing voices and accentuate, and Twitter is overrun by right-wing now.
02:37:43.000This is actually representative of the real country, which is 50-50.
02:37:49.000This is what you never had before, because conservative voices were always censored.
02:37:54.000So now, conservative voices and progressive voices coexist, and the progressive voices who are the babies Don't like it because now they have people that think completely different from them and they can't stop them.
02:39:06.000So they're doing it under the guise of being progressive.
02:39:08.000So this is why they think it's worth doing.
02:39:11.000It's like if you can allow the government to censor you under the guise of them being on the good side, then you're lost because then you've bought into this nonsense and
02:39:22.000And you have, if you just looked at it objectively, you have people that are still supporting the military-industrial complex, still supporting overthrowing democratically elected governments and other countries, still the same shit that you hated about the right, and that same government, you've let them into your home and you let them control this most important platform of free speech in the world.
02:39:44.000Because you think they're doing it for your side, which is a good thing.
02:39:49.000Meanwhile, they're drone bombing people in Yemen.
02:40:02.000And the wild part is, I guess because it's after the fact, but it doesn't seem like that whole thing really, really changed the scoreboard.
02:40:39.000Yeah, most people don't have any idea.
02:40:40.000And that's where I started going, oh, there's different narratives being spun to different algorithmic groups because we're all in the Truman Show, our own little Truman Show.
02:42:13.000See, I've always been super reluctant to the whole team thing in the first place because...
02:42:19.000When I stopped playing baseball and I started fighting, one of the reasons why I did it was like, I didn't like that little Billy can drop the ball and I'm a fucking loser.
02:43:57.000And if you can't learn the whole thing, you're in the wrong game.
02:44:00.000Because these kids that are coming up, guarantee you that, I watch some of these kids that are coming up in the amateur ranks, and the kids that are fighting in the UK, and they're gonna make their way in the UFC, these motherfuckers are complete.
02:44:10.000And they're like 18. Some of these kids that are fighting in one FC, they're like 17, 18 years old, and they're complete.
02:45:57.000The guys with the cross trainers are usually just dudes that do a whole bunch of crap and they're doing plyos and dancing around and whatever.
02:46:03.000But there's always like these little tribal things.
02:46:05.000Like if you're this person, you're wearing chucks and you're listening to Pantera.
02:54:46.000Josh Barnett learned under Carl Gotch, and Gotch was famous for having this unbelievable gauntlet of strength and conditioning work that you had to be able to get through before he would even train you.
02:55:41.000And then somewhere along the line, they started doing carnival matches, and then these carnival matches, they had regular people that they would find, and they would have predetermined outcomes.
02:55:53.000Then it became pro-wrestling, and that's where pro-wrestling was given birth to.
02:55:58.000It was out of this necessity to kind of rig the matches.
02:56:03.000See, these are kind of enthusiasts that are doing it now, like in a modern setting.
02:56:08.000But the guys who really know the stuff, like Josh Barnett has tapped out some legit Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belts in competition with catch wrestling techniques.
03:02:03.000Wow, when he finally did, so look at this, so he said he continued his tour of Asia despite this, competing in exhibition matches in South Korea and the Philippines before returning to the United States.
03:02:14.000When he finally did get back to the US, Ali needed to stay in Los Angeles Hospital for multiple weeks to recover from injuries sustained in the Inoki fight.
03:03:17.000Couldn't get cut, which is kind of funny because I got on the blood thinners and I had just pulled an alligator tag like a couple days before.
03:03:49.000Because I started on the shots and then I went to like the Warfarin tabs and they had to keep checking me, keep checking me because they had to let it all break out.
03:03:57.000So I'd have to once a month get it ultrasounded.
03:05:25.000I mean, if the hematocrit or whatever, the thickness of the blood was still of that, if it ever broke loose, he was like, it would have gone to the heart of your head.
03:05:35.000That would have been a stroke or heart attack.
03:05:37.000And, you know, but it's weird, like, and it was just an ankle injury.
03:07:41.000I need to refocus how I'm looking at these things.
03:07:44.000And so I had to mature and just like, okay, I've competed for 15 or 20 years or whatever it was at that point.
03:07:50.000It's like, maybe take a pump, pump the brakes for a second and just go like...
03:07:55.000Am I making good choices for my family, good choices for my business, people that rely on me?
03:08:01.000Because if, you know, cool in all things, but if Bert just keels over, like, you know, that's not optimal for really anyone.
03:08:08.000It's interesting how you can get completely caught up in one goal to the point where you don't see anything else in life and you just miss out on a giant chunk of life.
03:08:17.000But if you want to be the best at something...
03:08:25.000I've talked about the rabbit hole guy versus the 90% guy.
03:08:30.000And the 90% guy, which I think I've kind of turned into, if I train for something and get into something, I've generally found if I really care about it, I could be as good as 90% of the world at it.
03:08:45.000But if you're the guy that wants to go down to be the best, the goat, you have to go down so far around the rabbit hole and forsake all other things to where you lose sight of reality.
03:08:57.000By the way, you can still not make it.
03:10:12.000And like, if you want to beat Gordon Ryan, you're probably never going to catch him because he's already still doing it.
03:10:16.000Yeah, and he's not doing archery, and he's not doing a podcast, and he's not doing a thing.
03:10:21.000And then so I've had to kind of went to this thing.
03:10:24.000I was like, do I want to be a 90% guy that enjoys semi-balance in my life and is really passionate about three or four or five things and be really, really good?
03:10:33.000Or do I want to throw all my chips in?
03:10:37.000And the probability is I won't be the GOAT. Right.
03:10:40.000Especially if it's a competitive thing.
03:10:50.000Like my friend Gary Clark Jr., when he records albums, he goes crazy and he locks himself in the studio and he's there for like fucking 12 hours, like every day.
03:11:34.000In the greater, you know, if you're looking at the universe, if you look at the greater picture of everything, it's not really important what you do here in this life.
03:11:47.000And the problem is if you're compelled to try to be number one and you don't really chase it, you're always going to have that thing in the back of your head.
03:12:16.000Well, actually, one of my mentors, Judd Logan, this dude made four Olympic teams and the hammer, and then got out of it, and he was a coach.
03:12:26.000And then every time that he would hit a A 50-year, a 55-year, a 60-year.
03:12:30.000He would train for three or four months, break the all-time world record in that age class, and he would go off again for five years.
03:13:56.000I mean, you talk about a guy that's just that statuesque, like, best conversationalist, like, poured into all these kids and stuff, and you're just like, he's the coach you always wanted to have, you know?
03:14:11.000It's interesting when you watch the way different people live their life, because you could see benefits and you could see where it would be a detriment to the rest of your life.
03:14:21.000And it allows us to look through these mythical creatures like that guy, these John Jones type characters, these Carl Gotches and go...
03:15:33.000Like, that's where I think one of your superpowers, besides you have a steel trap for a brain, you've recalled things that we've talked about.
03:15:41.000Like, I was like, I didn't know he was listening to that.
03:17:59.000They said they'll wash out all the fluids, all the guts, shit, and everything else, and they'll put it on the grill and fry it and do all this.
03:18:06.000They said protein does not go to waste in Africa at all.
03:18:10.000So I'm like, you guys are going to, of course, eat a heart.
03:22:05.000And cause you only get like two or three casts before they blow off the light, but you're going to catch two or three fish every night on the first two or three casts.
03:25:23.000Yeah, took a steak, marinated it in buttermilk for a week, and when he pulled the steak out, he could see the buttermilk was breaking the steak down.
03:25:47.000Yeah, I got taught that by Chad from Whiskey Bent Barbecue.
03:25:55.000He says that the best way, particularly for wild game, without a doubt it's the best way for wild game, take it, and so here it is with buttermilk.
03:26:03.000So he did it, one for 24 hours, and he did one of them where he sat in the buttermilk for a week and he said it was sensational.
03:26:32.000So I'll cook, you know, get some live oak in there, and I'll get it up to about 250 degrees, and then I'll put the steaks in there with meter thermometers, and I get it internally up to about 120, and then either I sear it on a cast iron pan, or I also have one of those infrared things.