The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2244 - Ryan Graves

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00:00:12.000 Hello.

00:00:13.000 Good to see you again.

00:00:14.000 Nice to see you.

00:00:15.000 What is the latest in the world of Ryan?

00:00:20.000 Other than the fact that you're about to have a child.

00:00:23.000 Congratulations on that.

00:00:24.000 Thank you.

00:00:26.000 You wanted to talk to me about this drone situation and I've become very concerned.

00:00:30.000 I don't understand what's going on.

00:00:32.000 I think there's a bunch of different narratives.

00:00:34.000 Some of them are very scary.

00:00:36.000 The scariest one that I've heard is that the drones are looking for gamma radiation because there's a missing nuke.

00:00:44.000 Yeah.

00:00:44.000 Let's address that first.

00:00:45.000 Please.

00:00:46.000 So there has been a lot going on.

00:00:48.000 I made an ex post about this yesterday to try to assuage some fears.

00:00:54.000 I saw it, but I purposely didn't read it because I wanted to get it from you.

00:00:57.000 Yeah.

00:00:58.000 So, you know, I've had the privilege of interacting with a lot of government organizations over the past few years as I've been digging down this rabbit hole.

00:01:08.000 Law enforcement at a federal level, DOD, executive branch, legislative branch, and some of the folks that I've come in contact with, they specifically work on weapons of mass destruction.

00:01:19.000 So that's their job.

00:01:21.000 So if there's a loose nuke in the United States, among other agencies, they would be some of the people that would be sitting in a skiff for 24 hours a day trying to figure out where it is and to go get it.

00:01:33.000 So you can imagine that would be their number one priority.

00:01:37.000 So I engage with these folks.

00:01:38.000 I ask them, you know, what's the sense here?

00:01:40.000 You know, people are kind of starting to panic a little bit, and this message is getting out there more and more broadly.

00:01:47.000 And they assured me that's not the case, that there is not a loose nuke or other type of weapon of mass destruction that these objects, whatever they are, are pursuing right now.

00:01:58.000 Otherwise, they would be working in a SCIF nonstop to make that go away, that problem go away.

00:02:03.000 You know, that's part of why I have a high confidence level that this is not a response to a massive imminent, you know, weapons of mass destruction threat on the eastern seaboard.

00:02:15.000 So I just want to try to dispel that rumor right now.

00:02:18.000 I've seen a lot of talk of that online.

00:02:21.000 And I don't, you know, although this is a, you know, I think a dangerous and scary situation that's going on right now, at least from that particular angle, that's not the indications I'm receiving.

00:02:32.000 So how would they persuade you?

00:02:34.000 Just by saying that's not the case?

00:02:37.000 Or have they given you any information that leads to this conclusion?

00:02:42.000 They would be the people actively working it, essentially, right?

00:02:45.000 And they're not?

00:02:46.000 They're not working it, right?

00:02:48.000 So either the government is holding back that secret from the direct resources within the government that are responsible for finding these systems, or they're not working the issue because there isn't an issue there to work.

00:02:58.000 So the thing that I had heard was that it was a missing nuke from Ukraine.

00:03:04.000 And if that was the case, so what could they do?

00:03:10.000 Is there any truth to this idea that we have the type of drone capability that we could send these things out and they would search for gamma radiation and they'd be able to find a nuke?

00:03:23.000 Is that...

00:03:23.000 So there are teams that respond to those types of potential emergencies, typically within the Department of Energy.

00:03:31.000 Having, you know, potentially hundreds of drones flying around trying to identify these isn't necessarily the best way.

00:03:38.000 Gamma radiation is typically well shielded in weapons.

00:03:42.000 And at very high altitudes or even moderate altitudes, like we're seeing these objects, it would be pretty difficult to detect them.

00:03:48.000 And the way that NIST, DOE, typically operates in this environment is ground-based teams searching for radiation itself.

00:03:56.000 So it's not necessarily consistent with how they would do it to begin with.

00:04:00.000 And then based off of that other information, that's what leads me to believe that's not the case.

00:04:05.000 Well, that makes me feel better because I was freaking out this weekend.

00:04:09.000 I think a lot of people were.

00:04:10.000 Yeah, I got a couple.

00:04:11.000 It's one of those things, especially in this day and age with social media.

00:04:16.000 There's so many narratives that get spread and retweeted.

00:04:18.000 And, you know, I know a guy who's an insider and he says to get out of the East Coast and, you know, head for Nevada.

00:04:25.000 There's a lot of that shit going on.

00:04:27.000 Yeah.

00:04:29.000 There's a lot of different versions of these drones, and this is what's weird.

00:04:34.000 If they weren't ours, if they're not ours, you would think that they could just track them and find out, well, where are they landing?

00:04:42.000 Who's got them?

00:04:43.000 How are they being used?

00:04:45.000 Is it RFI, like radio frequency?

00:04:48.000 Is it some sort of a different technology that's allowing them to pilot these things?

00:04:53.000 Like, what is it?

00:04:54.000 They'd be able to tune into that and figure it out, right?

00:04:57.000 So how come no one's been arrested?

00:04:59.000 How come no one's been caught?

00:05:00.000 How come they haven't tracked these things down to the source?

00:05:05.000 Yeah, so there's a lot of good questions there.

00:05:06.000 Let me back up by starting with the fact that this started about two years ago, at least.

00:05:12.000 But not like this?

00:05:14.000 A little bit like this.

00:05:15.000 Really?

00:05:16.000 In this volume?

00:05:17.000 Not in this volume.

00:05:18.000 That's the differentiator right there.

00:05:20.000 So Langley Air Force Base, you might be familiar with the fact that they had drone incursions of an unknown type, unknown origin last year.

00:05:28.000 Right.

00:05:28.000 That happened during about a two and a half, three week period right before Christmas.

00:05:33.000 Right.

00:05:33.000 Right where we are now.

00:05:35.000 That also happened the year before over Langley.

00:05:39.000 Unknown objects operating over the base.

00:05:43.000 They couldn't tell where they were going.

00:05:45.000 They were unprepared for them.

00:05:46.000 Same period of time.

00:05:48.000 Two, three weeks before Christmas.

00:05:49.000 This is year three.

00:05:51.000 And they were expecting them to come again for the third year in a row over Langley.

00:05:57.000 And there was some effort put forward to be able to better understand these when they came back.

00:06:02.000 And they did come back, but they came back in a much wider swath, right?

00:06:06.000 Now we have them all over New Jersey, all the way up to Massachusetts.

00:06:10.000 And it's hard to tell exactly with the quality of the reporting right now, because it seems to be, you know, the bigger this story gets, the more people are just looking up and seeing anything and pointing it out.

00:06:20.000 But, you know, there are reports from Texas to Florida to California, Ohio, Minnesota, Pennsylvania.

00:06:26.000 I mean, it's not just New Jersey itself, it seems.

00:06:30.000 And even the Wright-Patterson Air Force Base was shut down for a drone incursion just this last Friday, a couple days ago.

00:06:37.000 So this isn't just a one-off event.

00:06:39.000 It is in the sense that it's so large and so many people are paying attention to it.

00:06:43.000 But this has been occurring for at least three years around military bases.

00:06:48.000 And that's nothing to say with the incidents that we were seeing over the eastern seaboard and other training ranges that fighter pilots were seeing as they were doing their operations.

00:06:59.000 I'm a little hesitant to link it to that, the full story that we've been having here, this full conversation, but at least for three years, this has been occurring.

00:07:09.000 So, you know, kind of getting back to your question, you know, why can't we do more about it?

00:07:13.000 It's a hard problem, I think, for a number of reasons.

00:07:16.000 It's hard, but it's very solvable, right?

00:07:19.000 I think this can be solved.

00:07:20.000 We can solve it.

00:07:22.000 But right now, kind of the word on the street is that These objects appear to be coming from over the ocean.

00:07:30.000 There's senior congressmen, there's Coast Guard personnel, there's law enforcement that are seeing a large number of these come from somewhere over the ocean.

00:07:37.000 I don't know if that means necessarily they're popping out of the water physically or if they're coming from some unknown location in the water and then proceeding over the coast.

00:07:47.000 I don't know how that relates to Ohio.

00:07:49.000 That's a pretty long trip if they are coming over the ocean.

00:07:54.000 And from the videos I've seen and the conversation I've had, they are detecting these objects through kind of normal mechanisms like radar systems, optical camera systems.

00:08:07.000 They are flying very low.

00:08:09.000 In some cases, they seem to be operating as a group in the vicinity of each other, flying past each other, flying very up close to each other, and then proceeding to do whatever they are that they're doing.

00:08:21.000 It's unknown right now if they are emitting energy or not.

00:08:25.000 So, you know, like radio communications or their own maybe active sensor systems.

00:08:31.000 It's unknown.

00:08:32.000 I've poked on that front, and the best I can tell, the government doesn't know either.

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00:10:20.000 Like it's just very disturbing that someone could operate these things and have, I mean, what is the estimated number of them?

00:10:28.000 That's a great question.

00:10:30.000 I mean, at this point, I'm comfortable making a guess of probably over 800 or 1,000.

00:10:36.000 And how many of those are sightings of the same object?

00:10:39.000 How many of those are individual objects?

00:10:40.000 How many of those are unique objects?

00:10:42.000 So it's tough to say, but this isn't just a few objects that people are seeing.

00:10:49.000 And so I can imagine some technologies that will allow traditional UAVs or drones to operate without emitting.

00:10:57.000 So they could have a self-contained navigational system.

00:11:02.000 Maybe they have their own onboard maps and they're using cameras to map where they are.

00:11:06.000 So then they would be completely autonomous?

00:11:08.000 You just send them out there and they would have a task and they would go through whatever their task is and navigate via their GPS or whatever tracking system they're using?

00:11:19.000 Exactly.

00:11:19.000 And then, you know, what is their task, right?

00:11:21.000 Is it just to instill panic and fear?

00:11:24.000 Is it because they're sensing something?

00:11:26.000 And if they are sensing something, they would have to be using what's called passive sensors, right?

00:11:31.000 So, like, a camera system is passive, but if you're shooting, you know, a radar out and having it bounce off of something, that's active, right?

00:11:38.000 And that's easier to detect than a passive system.

00:11:41.000 So I could imagine, you know, a fully self-contained autonomous drone system that is doing something potentially with passive sensors that allows it to operate without emissions, which is going to make it harder to track.

00:11:52.000 If they're doing it at night, if they do have passive systems like some sort of an optical system, wouldn't that be hindered by the low light conditions or do we have stuff that...

00:12:03.000 Is able to detect whatever they're looking for at night?

00:12:06.000 Yeah, depends what they're looking for, but ultimately there is tech, there's electro-optical systems, there's infrared camera systems, not unlike the systems that we had on my jet.

00:12:17.000 But we were able to detect these objects with infrared when we were flying off the eastern seaboard.

00:12:22.000 There are a number of reports from law enforcement that their infrared systems are not able to pick these objects up.

00:12:28.000 And not just this year, but also the incidents over Langley last year, the pilots that respond to that incident, I've spoken to them, they weren't able to lock these up with their infrared systems either.

00:12:38.000 So they do seem to be exhibiting some type of signature management.

00:12:42.000 That's interesting.

00:12:43.000 So is the signature management, so is it a heat signature that they're giving off?

00:12:48.000 So maybe there's some sort of a cooling mechanism inside of these things?

00:12:52.000 If they have a propulsion system, so you would imagine it's some sort of an electric engine, right?

00:12:58.000 Because a lot of them are very quiet.

00:13:00.000 That's got to be giving off some kind of heat, right?

00:13:02.000 Yeah, and that goes to some very base physics, right?

00:13:05.000 We create heat whenever we have stored energy and we utilize it.

00:13:09.000 So to be able to mitigate that to such a degree that you can't even detect them at all, it's pretty tough.

00:13:16.000 I mean, I can imagine you can reduce your signature.

00:13:18.000 We do it in fighter jets, right?

00:13:20.000 Through kind of just like baffles where we cover the engine, essentially, to make it harder to see.

00:13:25.000 But to have zero ability to detect or lock onto these objects is not a technology I'm familiar with.

00:13:31.000 So other than that, are they exhibiting any type of movement that's extraordinary or their ability to turn angles?

00:13:43.000 Is there anything about them that points to this being superior technology?

00:13:49.000 You know, it's tough to say.

00:13:50.000 Based on what I've seen just in the public from reports and kind of amateur photographers and witnesses, some of them do seem to be making pretty sharp turns.

00:14:00.000 I wouldn't call them like physics-breaking turns, but they don't seem to be operating like a normal aircraft, right?

00:14:05.000 So they're down low.

00:14:06.000 They're making what appear to be pretty high-G turns.

00:14:09.000 Maybe like three, four, 5G turns at relatively low air speeds, which is indicative of them having a pretty significant power supply, right?

00:14:18.000 Anytime you turn like that, you're burning energy, essentially.

00:14:22.000 So for them to be able to make these high-G maneuvers and then remain in the area for another five or six or seven hours and still have the battery life or whatever's propelling them, to then go over the ocean to a point where they're untrackable, Again, I'm not really familiar with that type of capability either.

00:14:40.000 I know they've shot at least one of them down, or people have shot.

00:14:44.000 Have you seen the video?

00:14:45.000 It looks like cops are shooting them down with shotguns in New Jersey.

00:14:49.000 I did see one video like that.

00:14:51.000 I wasn't sure how real it was.

00:14:52.000 I hope it's a cop.

00:14:54.000 I know, because it's like, hey man, when you shoot up, those bullets land somewhere.

00:14:59.000 They can land on people.

00:15:00.000 Yeah.

00:15:01.000 Yeah, I've heard multiple people, representative officials, saying, like, hey, government needs to step in and start being more clear, because people are just going to take matters to their own hands.

00:15:10.000 That's where people get hurt.

00:15:11.000 Well, there's also been downed ones, right?

00:15:14.000 I've heard rumors of downed ones, but I haven't...

00:15:16.000 There's video footage, and there's people driving in their car, and cop cars are surrounding this thing.

00:15:22.000 That was a plane.

00:15:22.000 It was a plane?

00:15:23.000 I think that was a plane crash.

00:15:24.000 Oh.

00:15:25.000 Yeah, I think if that's the one you're referring to, there happened to be, like, a small plane crash.

00:15:29.000 Can you find that one, Jamie?

00:15:30.000 Yeah.

00:15:31.000 Okay.

00:15:32.000 But again, this is the problem with social media, especially with someone like me who's just kind of scrolling for five minutes and going, what the fuck?

00:15:38.000 And then, like, you know, my kids ask me something, I gotta get out of the house, alright, let me put my phone down.

00:15:42.000 You know, so I haven't done any kind of a deep dive, and I did that purposely just to try to pick your brain.

00:15:47.000 Is this one?

00:15:48.000 Yeah.

00:15:49.000 Oh, yeah, that's definitely a plane.

00:15:50.000 Yeah.

00:15:51.000 Is that the one?

00:15:51.000 Yeah, when they were driving by, they're like, look, it's a drone shot down.

00:15:55.000 Right, that might be the one that I saw.

00:15:56.000 I did watch a video.

00:15:57.000 Did you see the video of the plane that crashed in Texas?

00:16:03.000 Pretty crazy.

00:16:03.000 I'll send you that.

00:16:05.000 It's unrelated.

00:16:06.000 We need to get Elon Musk to have a special UAP task force within the community.

00:16:11.000 Elon is...

00:16:13.000 Look, he's oddly sly about this stuff.

00:16:18.000 He, you know, outwardly dismisses UFOs.

00:16:22.000 You know, he said, well, if they're there, they're very subtle.

00:16:27.000 One might expect that, but okay.

00:16:29.000 But I just feel like with his contracts with NASA and being involved in SpaceX, he can't talk crazy.

00:16:36.000 He talks crazy so much about other stuff, but...

00:16:39.000 When it's in this fucking multi-multi-billion dollar company that he runs, I don't think he can fuck around.

00:16:47.000 If it was something that he had no interest in at all, in terms of financial interest and business interest, I'm sure he would be commenting on it.

00:16:57.000 But he's not commenting on it at all.

00:16:59.000 Which makes me go, huh.

00:17:02.000 Huh.

00:17:03.000 And I don't think he's going to tell me.

00:17:05.000 I don't think I'm going to call him up because I've got a big mouth.

00:17:06.000 I think he knows.

00:17:09.000 I'll be out here talking about it.

00:17:11.000 A guy I know.

00:17:12.000 Can't tell Joe.

00:17:15.000 The thing that disturbs me is not just that this is happening.

00:17:20.000 There's so many drones and all these people are seeing them.

00:17:22.000 It's happening for so long and nothing has been done.

00:17:27.000 They're not scrambling jets to try to meet these things and follow them and track them.

00:17:30.000 They're not shooting them down.

00:17:31.000 They're not...

00:17:35.000 We appear so vulnerable because of this.

00:17:39.000 Because if these are ours, or if these are people just fucking around, and it's not a threat, okay, great.

00:17:44.000 But why is it so prevalent?

00:17:48.000 Why are there so many of them?

00:17:50.000 And why have there been nothing that these people that are trying to investigate this have been able to do that's effective?

00:17:59.000 Just put a stop to this.

00:18:00.000 So there's some laws in this country that are a little bit antiquated when it comes to dealing with situations like this.

00:18:07.000 So my understanding is, right now, these things are operating mostly in what's called Class G airspace, which is really low.

00:18:13.000 It's away from airports.

00:18:15.000 They're over bases.

00:18:15.000 Not all, of course, right?

00:18:17.000 They're over LaGuardia.

00:18:18.000 Yeah.

00:18:19.000 Yeah.

00:18:20.000 But here's, I think, where a lot of the trouble's coming in from.

00:18:24.000 I think the government has to make the presumption at this point, based off the feedback from the DOD and others, that if this is not a foreign adversary, then we have to make the assumption that it's a U.S. citizen that's operating these.

00:18:37.000 Because of that, they essentially need a warrant in order to wiretap these.

00:18:42.000 Even with the Patriot Act?

00:18:42.000 What?

00:18:45.000 That's the feedback I'm receiving.

00:18:46.000 That's the legal limitation.

00:18:48.000 Oh, come on. 0.87

00:18:48.000 They don't even need a warrant to get into my phone. 0.87

00:18:50.000 Get the fuck out of here.

00:18:52.000 I don't buy that.

00:18:53.000 Well, whether it's the reality of the situation or not, that's how they're proceeding, right?

00:18:57.000 And so to overcome that, you know, there's like a 120-page report that needs to be filed all the way up to the Deputy Attorney General of the United States in order to even intercept these signals that they may or may not even be emitting to be able to determine where they're going.

00:19:12.000 And so I think that's one part of what's slowing down this whole investigation.

00:19:16.000 On the other hand, for base commanders, they have limited authorities protect their base, but when they do, they need to submit basically a request all the way up to the Secretary of Defense.

00:19:29.000 So now you have this super politically charged situation with a lot of risk of objects flying over the U.S., If they take action and shoot one of these down, even with the Secretary of Defense's permission, they're on the hook if that thing takes out a school bus or otherwise damages someone's property.

00:19:45.000 Jamie, can you research, can you just do a quick search?

00:19:49.000 Have there been drones that have been shot down?

00:19:53.000 I haven't seen anything.

00:19:56.000 There's a story from two days ago.

00:19:59.000 New Jersey lawmakers were having a press conference asking if the government could shoot one down so they can inspect it.

00:20:05.000 I'm assuming they haven't shot one down if they're asking to shoot one down that day.

00:20:10.000 I hear something new that I don't know if it's even worth bringing up, but this is a new story going on.

00:20:15.000 They said this might be what some of this has to do with.

00:20:18.000 I don't even know if this is...

00:20:18.000 Missing radioactive material.

00:20:21.000 Scroll up a little bit higher so I can see who put that up there.

00:20:23.000 There's a few people that have posted it.

00:20:25.000 Okay.

00:20:25.000 Yes, I did see that.

00:20:27.000 I did see that.

00:20:28.000 While looking at Nuclear Regulatory Commission alerts, one confirmed there's radioactive material that has gone missing on December 2nd, 2024 out of New Jersey.

00:20:38.000 I guess it was being shipped there and it didn't make a container arrive damaged and empty.

00:20:46.000 Well, my understanding is these sightings started around November 18th.

00:20:50.000 Yeah, so I saw the November 20th too, so I don't know if that makes sense related.

00:20:55.000 So we should explain to people that didn't listen to our first podcast why you're uniquely qualified to talk about this stuff.

00:21:02.000 Just please tell people your background so they understand what you used to do and how you got involved in this whole UAP thing in the beginning.

00:21:11.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:21:12.000 So, formerly trained aerospace engineer in college.

00:21:17.000 Joined the Navy immediately after with the hopes to go fly fighter jets for the Navy.

00:21:22.000 Was successful in doing that and I flew the F-18 Super Hornet for 11 years and two deployments.

00:21:28.000 Primarily operating off of Virginia Beach.

00:21:31.000 And pretty standard career until about 2013 or so when we came back from our deployment, we began to upgrade our radar systems.

00:21:42.000 When that happened, we put in essentially a much more powerful radar into our jet.

00:21:47.000 It took about eight months.

00:21:48.000 So you might fly with a newer radar in the morning, maybe an older radar at night.

00:21:54.000 And consistently, when we were flying with these newer radars, we were picking up a bunch of objects that were operating in our working area that we weren't seeing with the older radar.

00:22:04.000 They were performing in strange ways.

00:22:06.000 They would be stationary.

00:22:08.000 They would be around 250 to 350 knots, kind of meandering around the area.

00:22:14.000 Not really working together, per se, but kind of clearly operating in the same vicinity as one another, right?

00:22:20.000 So we weren't flying in formations, necessarily.

00:22:22.000 And we'd even see these supersonic as well, 1.1, 1.2 Mach, typically heading east.

00:22:28.000 And we'd only see them over the water.

00:22:31.000 We originally thought they were radar errors, some kind of software glitch.

00:22:35.000 But eventually we started to correlate these across other sensors, such as our IR FLIR system.

00:22:41.000 Our missile systems would lock onto these.

00:22:43.000 And we'd try to fly up to them, to see them physically with our eyeballs.

00:22:48.000 And when we do that, we wouldn't see anything.

00:22:50.000 We come within about 500 feet of these objects.

00:22:53.000 All our sensors are pumped into our helmet, augmented reality style.

00:22:58.000 And it would tell us exactly where to look and boom, we come right past this object and there'd be nothing there.

00:23:04.000 We'd circle back around and then pick it back up on our sensors.

00:23:07.000 It would be slightly displaced, but that was kind of status quo for a few weeks until we had a near miss with one of these objects right at the entrance to our working areas.

00:23:17.000 The pilot came back, canceled the flight, had a look of shock on his face and described as a dark gray or a black cube inside of a clear sphere.

00:23:26.000 And once that happened, we kind of had to come together as a squadron with the safety officer in our squadron and say, hey, you know, like, okay, what's going on?

00:23:33.000 This has kind of been rumor and conjecture, but, you know, we almost had a near miss.

00:23:37.000 You almost lost an aircraft.

00:23:38.000 You know, let's gather as much information as we can.

00:23:41.000 As it turned out, there are four other near misses that had occurred in the past month that pilots were too uncomfortable to even report.

00:23:50.000 And that really kind of kicked off the seriousness of this issue for us.

00:23:53.000 And we started filing paperwork, safety reports, and hoping and expecting that this would get resolved in some way as, you know, the proper people, whoever that was, got these reports and they could mitigate it in some way.

00:24:07.000 But that never happened, at least from our perspective.

00:24:10.000 So we essentially treated them as safety issues.

00:24:14.000 We would avoid them.

00:24:15.000 We wouldn't fly close to them.

00:24:17.000 And then in 2015, we left to go do what's called a pre-deployment workup cycle aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt.

00:24:28.000 So we train like we play.

00:24:29.000 You get the whole air wing there, 30 jets, 40 jets, and we're doing these very complex missions.

00:24:34.000 And there were a lot of objects down there as well.

00:24:37.000 They either followed us down there or they were already there.

00:24:41.000 Was there a lot of visual sightings of these objects, or is it just equipment?

00:24:45.000 A lot of visual sightings.

00:24:47.000 Was it the same sort of thing, a circle with a square inside of it?

00:24:50.000 Or solid spheres, some elongated spheres, kind of more tic-tac shape, if you will.

00:24:57.000 And during that workup cycle, that's when we recorded what's now known as the Gimbal and GoFast video.

00:25:05.000 And they almost had to shut that entire exercise down because there were multiple near misses while we were trying to do this.

00:25:10.000 And this is a big deal.

00:25:11.000 If they cancel that training mission, that means the people that are deployed essentially have to be there longer.

00:25:15.000 They have to wait longer.

00:25:16.000 So there's a lot of downstream effects.

00:25:18.000 So pretty big deal to even consider canceling a training mission.

00:25:27.000 You know, our training mission like this.

00:25:29.000 So, again, you know, we filed it up.

00:25:32.000 We didn't know what else to do with it.

00:25:34.000 And we went back to our training and left on deployment.

00:25:37.000 In 2017, a New York Times article came out.

00:25:42.000 I was now an instructor pilot in Mississippi and for the Navy still.

00:25:48.000 And on, you know, front page of New York Times, lo and behold, there are the video of the gimbal and the GoFast with the pilot's audio on there that we've heard now.

00:25:55.000 And I'm like, holy shit, you know, like, this is still going on.

00:25:59.000 Massive deja vu, as you might imagine.

00:26:01.000 And I saw that as like a cry for help, essentially, that these videos have now been somewhat smuggled out.

00:26:08.000 They're on the front page of New York Times.

00:26:10.000 Do we know how the gimbal or the GoFast videos got leaked?

00:26:14.000 My understanding is that work was done partially with Lou Elizondo and Chris Mellon.

00:26:22.000 So there was two videos that were attached, right?

00:26:26.000 So when you record in the jet, it records two screens.

00:26:30.000 It records...

00:26:31.000 Can we show those, Jamie?

00:26:32.000 Show those videos.

00:26:34.000 So it records these two screens, right?

00:26:36.000 And the bottom screen is like a God's eye view with all your radar data.

00:26:40.000 And the right one is your FLIR system.

00:26:43.000 And when you watch that in the briefing room after, they're stitched together, like side by side.

00:26:49.000 And that's what I saw, and that's how I built my understanding of this situation.

00:26:54.000 There it is.

00:26:55.000 So, with the crosshairs, they're trying to lock in on it, so now they've locked in on it, right?

00:27:00.000 Yeah, they weren't able to gain a lock in their air-to-air mode, so they actually had to degrade down to an air-to-surface mode, kind of a manual locking mode, and that's that box that you see.

00:27:09.000 What is the difference?

00:27:12.000 The air-to-air mode should essentially be looking exactly where the radar is dropping them off and should automatically lock on it.

00:27:19.000 But in the method that you're seeing here, the pilot's manually slewing the sensor.

00:27:22.000 This is kind of like a last-ditch effort to get it.

00:27:25.000 And he's, like, restarting it, and that's why the box keeps getting bigger.

00:27:28.000 And it's getting smaller.

00:27:29.000 It's not capturing it.

00:27:30.000 What would be the difficulty?

00:27:31.000 Like, why is it difficult to lock on?

00:27:34.000 We don't know.

00:27:35.000 You know, one theory is that it's because it's relatively close to the ground and there's a lot of background, right, to confuse the sensor.

00:27:42.000 How far off the ocean is this supposed to be?

00:27:45.000 It's somewhere around 10,000 feet or so.

00:27:47.000 So it's really not that close.

00:27:50.000 So it's really not a great explanation.

00:27:52.000 But yeah, you can see them try it there.

00:27:54.000 Now, what do they estimate the size of this thing to be?

00:27:57.000 I don't know if anyone has estimated a size, to be honest.

00:28:02.000 From the pilot's perspective, they're not going to be able to make a real-time assessment of the size.

00:28:07.000 Because how far above this thing are they?

00:28:11.000 Well, they're about five miles away or so.

00:28:14.000 Five miles.

00:28:15.000 Okay.

00:28:15.000 So you see the range 3.4 right there?

00:28:18.000 That range is coming strictly from the AT FLIR sensor itself.

00:28:22.000 It's not a very reliable indicator of the range.

00:28:26.000 That's what the radar is for.

00:28:28.000 So although it says about 4.4 and then ticks down, it's probably a little bit further away than that.

00:28:34.000 What is that, Sanford RNG? Range.

00:28:35.000 So the speed...

00:28:39.000 Is that on there anywhere of how fast this thing is going?

00:28:42.000 So you have 170 V sub C right below the range and that's indicating our relative velocity.

00:28:52.000 And that's miles per hour or kilometers?

00:28:54.000 It should be knots so it's probably like 180 190 miles per hour.

00:28:59.000 No heat signature?

00:29:01.000 Well, there is a heat differential anyway.

00:29:04.000 So right now we're in white hut.

00:29:07.000 So objects that are white are hotter objects than the background.

00:29:11.000 I've used infrared binoculars before.

00:29:15.000 It's pretty cool.

00:29:16.000 You can see like raccoons and shit.

00:29:18.000 So that's showing us that it's cooler than the surrounding environment for whatever reason.

00:29:24.000 Which is very bizarre.

00:29:26.000 Something that's moving 170-whatever miles an hour.

00:29:26.000 Yeah.

00:29:29.000 Yeah.

00:29:30.000 And just to be clear, the 170 doesn't represent its raw speed.

00:29:35.000 This is the gimbal video, which is different.

00:29:37.000 Yep.

00:29:38.000 And this one, does it show the speed of this?

00:29:45.000 No, I don't think so.

00:29:46.000 And this is the one that rotates.

00:29:49.000 Yes.

00:29:49.000 And when we're looking at this signature, does that represent something that's cooler than the outside area or hotter?

00:29:57.000 What does that represent?

00:29:58.000 This one's black hot.

00:29:59.000 So this is showing us that it's hotter than the surrounding areas right now.

00:30:03.000 And would this be similar to what you would see if you saw a jet that was flying?

00:30:09.000 No.

00:30:09.000 I mean, we've seen thousands of aircraft like that.

00:30:12.000 But I mean, in terms of the signature that it gives off with the temperature, or would you be able to see a visible means of propulsion that would be accentuated?

00:30:20.000 Yeah, you'd see the exhaust coming out of the back.

00:30:22.000 You'd be able to see the skin of the aircraft itself.

00:30:25.000 So the sensor is not great, but it's good enough where you can break out some pretty good detail on a jet.

00:30:30.000 I mean, it looks like a jet.

00:30:32.000 Well, this definitely doesn't look like a jet.

00:30:32.000 Right.

00:30:34.000 You know, it kind of looks like a flying saucer.

00:30:37.000 And then it turns sideways, which is really weird.

00:30:44.000 Is there anything on that that shows the speed?

00:30:48.000 On the bottom left, you see 242 knots.

00:30:51.000 That's how fast the aircraft that is recording it is going.

00:30:55.000 The pilots do talk about how it's going 120 knots against the whim.

00:31:00.000 And in my recollection, it was going at a relatively slow speed for a fighter aircraft, around 100 knots or so, at those speeds, from looking at the radar data itself.

00:31:10.000 So, as far as you know, we don't have anything that moves like that.

00:31:16.000 No.

00:31:17.000 And we don't have anything that gives off a signature like that.

00:31:21.000 No.

00:31:22.000 No.

00:31:23.000 And were they able to figure out where this is going or keep an eye on it?

00:31:29.000 Do we have sensors that can detect this for any length of time?

00:31:34.000 You would assume that...

00:31:36.000 The sensors on the ships themselves, if they were looking there, would be able to detect these objects.

00:31:41.000 But we're not really linked into those people that are doing that on the boat.

00:31:45.000 The pilots essentially took this upon themselves to go investigate this, and they reported to Intel when they came back.

00:31:51.000 And that's where I saw the tapes.

00:31:54.000 Whether the air traffic management guys on the boat themselves then took it upon themselves to go try to detect these objects, I don't have that information.

00:32:04.000 I was never in that information stream, but presumably they would.

00:32:07.000 Is there a capability where, so if a fighter jet locks in on something like that, is there an additional source of some sort of satellite that they can team into or tune into where they can give them the coordinates and say, hey, this is at this exact coordinate.

00:32:27.000 It's moving at this speed.

00:32:29.000 Can you guys lock into that?

00:32:31.000 No.

00:32:32.000 Not within the jet itself.

00:32:33.000 We can share the data amongst jets.

00:32:36.000 So if you were flying out there and the aircraft that recorded that video was getting that on the radar, that information would be getting sent to other jets in the area.

00:32:46.000 There was a large training mission going on, and I'm not aware of anyone that, you know, was paying attention to those contacts that were, say, 50 miles away from where they were doing this fight.

00:32:55.000 But it shouldn't have been just self-contained into the aircraft itself.

00:33:00.000 And additionally, that information should have also been received by the ship itself, right?

00:33:04.000 They should have access to that same information that's being shared.

00:33:07.000 Right, that's what I was getting to.

00:33:08.000 Can the ship itself then lock in the coordinates with the satellite?

00:33:11.000 Do we have that kind of capability?

00:33:14.000 As pilots, we don't really get into the satellite game, if you will.

00:33:17.000 That's kind of like a different level than how we operate.

00:33:20.000 So it's feasible that a ship might call in other national assets to investigate, but we operate as a self-contained expeditionary group, so I don't know if that's part of their protocol.

00:33:29.000 So they wouldn't even refer to you or discuss it with you?

00:33:32.000 Yeah.

00:33:33.000 Did anybody discuss any of these things with you?

00:33:35.000 Like, when you're talking about the safety hazard, you know, you've got this clear circle with a black square inside of it, and they're flying in this very unusual way.

00:33:45.000 When you described it to people, what's the feedback?

00:33:49.000 Honestly, most people just kind of looked off in the space.

00:33:52.000 Really?

00:33:53.000 Yeah, like, huh, that's interesting.

00:33:55.000 That's fucking weird.

00:33:56.000 Yeah.

00:33:57.000 Did they give you the impression that this is not surprising?

00:34:01.000 Only once.

00:34:02.000 So when we had the gimbal captured, and just real quick, you know, the gimbal and the GoFast happened within minutes of each other.

00:34:10.000 The gimbal...

00:34:11.000 Two different things, but they happened within minutes of each other.

00:34:13.000 Yeah, or the GoFast, there was multiple objects in a line formation called line abreast.

00:34:18.000 Right.

00:34:19.000 How many?

00:34:19.000 Flying side by side.

00:34:20.000 Four.

00:34:21.000 They're about a mile apart flying in formation, doing what they're doing.

00:34:24.000 The pilots were looking at that, had a hard time locking it, and then they kind of brought their attention up to this other object that's basically co-altitude with them, and that's the gimbal video.

00:34:35.000 And behind the gimbal, there was what they referred to as a fleet of objects, about four to six objects that were flying in a formation, like a tight formation, all within about a mile and a half of each other, in a V formation.

00:34:50.000 So they come, they turn, they get all discombobulated, and then they...

00:34:54.000 Flow back out into a clean formation, making a 180 degree turn.

00:34:58.000 And then the gimbal object, which we see start to rotate, that's the moment it actually changes direction, right?

00:35:04.000 So it's proceeding behind this formation.

00:35:06.000 It turns, the gimbal does its kind of, you know, its maneuver, and then it starts trailing in the opposite direction.

00:35:14.000 So you've got, you know, maybe 10, 12 objects that are out there operating in this area east of the ship.

00:35:20.000 We're already 300 miles out there.

00:35:21.000 And so where do they come from?

00:35:23.000 You know, what are they doing?

00:35:25.000 Are they assessing our fight?

00:35:27.000 Are they enemy combatants?

00:35:30.000 You know, for me, this is the conversation that I've been trying to have for almost 10 years now about the seriousness of having these unknown objects in our airspace.

00:35:41.000 It's a security risk whether, you know, they come from little green men or whether they come from our adversaries or if they just remain unknown. 1.00

00:35:48.000 And that's kind of the state we're living in right now with what's happening over in New Jersey and elsewhere.

00:35:52.000 We're having this massive uncertainty about what these objects are.

00:35:56.000 It's causing fear and panic.

00:35:56.000 There's a lot of rumors.

00:35:58.000 And once again, the Biden administration and the Pentagon are unwilling to have a conversation with the American people and share what information they have.

00:36:06.000 Why do you think that is, if you had to speculate?

00:36:10.000 The biggest probability is they don't know.

00:36:14.000 If this is something that they've been struggling with for all these years, and suddenly it's happening in a much larger capacity than it has in the past, they're not easily able to write it off, and they just don't have the answers.

00:36:29.000 Or perhaps they do have the answers, but they fall under a category of information, much like these objects, that they're not willing to have a public conversation about it.

00:36:38.000 What is the best footage of the New Jersey drones?

00:36:41.000 Why New Jersey, by the way?

00:36:43.000 I don't know.

00:36:44.000 A lot of shipping.

00:36:45.000 Also military base, right?

00:36:46.000 Outside of Bell Labs, there's a military base.

00:36:49.000 And what else?

00:36:51.000 The proximity to New York City, I guess?

00:36:53.000 New York, D.C. I mean, there's a lot of big cities right there.

00:36:56.000 Yeah, all pretty close.

00:36:59.000 I've only seen a few interesting videos.

00:37:03.000 And we're in this new realm of uncertainty when it comes to AI and it comes to computer-generated images and video.

00:37:12.000 I've seen me.

00:37:15.000 I've seen so much stuff that's not real.

00:37:18.000 I'm like, okay, I don't know what's real anymore.

00:37:20.000 Especially when it comes to something that's kind of blurry.

00:37:22.000 It's in the sky and you've got people on the ground.

00:37:25.000 I've seen so many fake ones.

00:37:28.000 So many ones that people have generated, you know, I'm friends with Jeremy Corbell, and Jeremy, I always send him, like, what the fuck is this?

00:37:35.000 You know, I'll send some stuff to him.

00:37:37.000 And, you know, he's very good at, like, we don't really know.

00:37:37.000 Is this bullshit?

00:37:41.000 I am very suspicious because of this.

00:37:43.000 This is what we know.

00:37:45.000 Like, let me send you some things that I know are not fake, but we still don't know what they are, and see the difference.

00:37:52.000 So we'll have these long conversations and text message or phone calls about stuff like that, but...

00:37:57.000 No one seems to be able...

00:38:00.000 There's not, like, one person you can go to.

00:38:03.000 I mean, you have your people that are dismissing everything, think it's just hobbyists and crazy people, but if they're not giving off signatures, like, that are standard with these normal drones, like these heat signatures, and they're able to stay in the sky for hours and hours at a time, just that alone points to, at least, if it's not our adversaries, if it's domestic, Superior technology that we're not even aware of right now.

00:38:28.000 I mean, how are they staying in the sky for five hours?

00:38:31.000 Like, what is the...

00:38:32.000 If you got, like, a top of the food chain drone, and who was it that is explaining to us the issue with why China has superior drone technology?

00:38:42.000 It has something to do with the FAA. Was it Andreessen?

00:38:45.000 I don't remember.

00:38:46.000 Well, someone was explaining the reason why most of these, like, high-end...

00:38:50.000 It might have actually been a green room conversation.

00:38:52.000 Yeah.

00:38:52.000 I still remember what you're talking about now.

00:38:54.000 Yeah.

00:38:55.000 So that the FAA and the rules and regulations have sort of stifled the development and the improvement of these domestic drones.

00:39:05.000 And so most of the hobbyist drones are coming from China.

00:39:08.000 And China, if you haven't seen, has...

00:39:11.000 Fucking incredible displays of drones.

00:39:14.000 Yeah, where they do like a drag in the sky.

00:39:18.000 It's amazing.

00:39:20.000 And it is because of regulations.

00:39:22.000 It's because of the FAA dragging their heels, being incompetent or at least being overwhelmed, where this has not been able to progress domestically the way it's been able to do in China.

00:39:35.000 And so it's...

00:39:36.000 That alone seems like a giant security threat.

00:39:39.000 The fact that China has had just full integration with the government and been able to have this technological innovation that allows their drones to be like super powerful.

00:39:51.000 Like what they're able to do with these displays in the sky, unbelievable.

00:39:56.000 Like really wild stuff to see.

00:39:58.000 That seems like many, many leaps above what we can do.

00:40:02.000 And, you know, the faux firework displays that these things put on are just one part of the puzzle, right?

00:40:10.000 Because warfare is changing.

00:40:12.000 It's changing drastically.

00:40:13.000 And this is, you know, something I've tried to raise the alarm bells on before the Ukraine war, but we're seeing it now.

00:40:20.000 Warfare is going to these highly mobile, non-traditional platforms where you can have a group of guys that are basically teenagers now going out and conducting operations with these small drones.

00:40:33.000 And God forbid that an adversarial nation is now employing those technologies here.

00:40:41.000 In the United States, and if it was Russia, if it was China, and they were doing it directly, that'd be the equivalent of a declaration of war.

00:40:47.000 I mean, they're essentially invading our land, right?

00:40:50.000 Is there some avenue where they might be hiring criminal gangs in some way to do this in order to create a level of...

00:40:57.000 I don't know.

00:41:13.000 And there are a lot of companies that, you know, within the private sector and, of course, within the normal defense contractor world that is building capabilities to be able to detect and mitigate drones, whether it's kinetically or through electronic warfare.

00:41:28.000 But we're not employing those.

00:41:30.000 And oh, by the way, the electronic warfare measures that have been employed against the New Jersey drones have been ineffective.

00:41:37.000 So they have tried to take these out with non-kinetic options.

00:41:41.000 Disabling their navigational systems, otherwise trying to fry them, bring them down, has not been effective.

00:41:47.000 That's not good.

00:41:48.000 No.

00:41:49.000 No, that's very concerning.

00:41:52.000 so um is there any good footage that you could point to i don't even know where to look i've looked there's people on the news that have reported it but the one clip i was looking at they're just showing a plane so like that's not good i've i just found one but it looks like a guy in the woods i don't know what the video is you know yeah that's the problem when they took it i don't know when they shot it they're saying it was last night but it could have been could have been right yeah it could be bullshit

00:42:18.000 But this is part of the problem with this weird world that we're living in right now with fake information.

00:42:24.000 It's so difficult to figure out what the hell is going on.

00:42:28.000 Did I send you that video, Jamie, of that guy where he's CEO of a drone manufacturing company?

00:42:35.000 This is the guy that made me the most nervous.

00:42:37.000 I'll send it to you right now.

00:42:39.000 This guy made me the most nervous because this guy is talking about how this, whatever the hell this stuff is, He believes it's looking for a nuke.

00:42:50.000 I'll send this to you, Jamie.

00:42:52.000 The thing you tweeted?

00:42:54.000 Did I? I don't know.

00:42:54.000 No.

00:42:55.000 Maybe.

00:42:56.000 This guy.

00:42:59.000 CEO of drone manufacturing company who has government contracts.

00:43:05.000 But the people you're talking to don't say it's this.

00:43:09.000 That's correct.

00:43:10.000 So listen to what this guy's saying.

00:43:12.000 CEO of Saxon Aerospace here in Wichita, Kansas.

00:43:17.000 I'm not normally a tick-tock kind of a guy.

00:43:19.000 I like watching this stuff every once in a while but I'm a manufacturer of unmanned aircraft military-grade unmanned aircraft as you can see one of my systems here There's all of these mysterious drones going on off the East Coast and as a as a professional as a subject matter expert I I wanted to give you all my opinion on what I think could be going on with these drones.

00:43:48.000 I don't particularly believe that these have a nefarious intent.

00:43:52.000 I could be wrong, but I want to give you the truth and what I believe.

00:43:56.000 It's my own opinion, and I've not bounced this off of anybody, so if you think it's bullshit, whatever, that's cool.

00:44:05.000 I don't want to spread misinformation, as we know that There's a lot of that going around.

00:44:11.000 But anyway, back in the 1980s, Ronald Reagan had dismantled the nuclear program, and there were, with Russia, there were countless nuclear missiles that were disarmed and disposed of.

00:44:31.000 Well, there were Over 80, I believe.

00:44:35.000 There were over 80 nuclear warheads that were in Ukraine that came up missing.

00:44:44.000 We don't know where they are.

00:44:46.000 Maybe somebody does, but nobody really knows where these are.

00:44:50.000 I speak with some pretty high-level government officials on this stuff, and it seems as though that is the case.

00:45:00.000 So, I spoke to a gentleman.

00:45:03.000 A few months ago, who was trying to raise an alarm to the highest levels of our government, which they had their ears closed, about this one particular nuclear warhead that he physically put his hands on.

00:45:20.000 He physically touched this warhead that was left over from Ukraine. 0.99

00:45:24.000 And he knew that that thing was headed towards the United States.

00:45:29.000 Okay?

00:45:32.000 That is a very serious deal.

00:45:34.000 And everyone knows that the United States government, this administration, is pushing to get into a war with Russia.

00:45:43.000 We all know that.

00:45:44.000 We all feel it.

00:45:46.000 We all see it.

00:45:47.000 Okay?

00:45:49.000 Well, back up a few years.

00:45:51.000 Do you all remember when those drones were mysteriously flying across the Interstate 70 corridor from Colorado up into Nebraska, down here into Kansas, and out into Missouri?

00:46:02.000 Well, it was believed that those drones were looking for radioactive material because there had been some material that came up missing here in the United States.

00:46:14.000 And they felt like it was a high probability that it would...

00:46:21.000 Nuclear or the radioactive material would be taken along the Interstate 70 corridor heading east or west or south.

00:46:30.000 So, from what we understand, they were out there trying to find this radioactive material.

00:46:38.000 Now, drones, they have no reason to be in the air at night.

00:46:46.000 Unless you're doing some type of ISR work, intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance, you know, looking for bad guys, or looking for a victim, a search and rescue victim, or law enforcement, or some type of military project, right?

00:47:06.000 There's no reason for a drone to be flying at night, really, okay?

00:47:12.000 Because they don't see shit.

00:47:15.000 So...

00:47:16.000 Unless you have thermal optics, drones really don't see stuff.

00:47:21.000 You need to do mapping during the day.

00:47:23.000 If you're going to do farming stuff, mostly do it during the day.

00:47:27.000 The only reason why you would ever fly an unmanned aircraft at night is if you're looking for something.

00:47:35.000 Whether it be a person or trying to smell gas.

00:47:41.000 We have methane gas detection systems.

00:47:46.000 that can that can detect gas leaks and pipelines you really wouldn't use thermal optics for trying to find gas leaks just simply because the only way you're actually going to find a gas leak with thermal optics is if the gas leak is aggressive enough that it has a difference in temperature because radio thermal imaging it it creates a digital image based off the temperature variance so whatever different in temperature is It creates an image.

00:48:17.000 Usually gas leaks so slow that it goes quickly into ambient before you can even see it.

00:48:25.000 So we have special sensors that can detect gas leaks.

00:48:30.000 We also have special sensors that can detect radioactive material.

00:48:35.000 So with this gentleman that I had spoken with who was trying to raise the alarm, To try to get somebody in the government to say, hey, we need to work together to go try to find this nuclear warhead.

00:48:51.000 None of that ever happened.

00:48:53.000 They knew that warhead was on its way to the United States.

00:48:56.000 That's all that ever came of it.

00:48:59.000 Nothing ever happened.

00:49:01.000 This government did not do anything at all to help this gentleman raise the alarm and raise awareness that there is a very...

00:49:13.000 Deadly weapon on its way to the United States.

00:49:16.000 No.

00:49:17.000 Well, go ahead.

00:49:18.000 Unless maybe he's got something else to say.

00:49:20.000 When I was looking this up, we have six nuclear heads that we've lost.

00:49:24.000 The United States has.

00:49:26.000 One of them has been gone for like 71 years or something like that.

00:49:29.000 Oh, wonderful.

00:49:30.000 Didn't know that.

00:49:32.000 Wonderful.

00:49:33.000 Maybe they'll find them.

00:49:33.000 Yeah.

00:49:35.000 I mean, there's probably a couple in the bottom of the ocean somewhere.

00:49:38.000 Yeah, I'm sure they're sitting there.

00:49:38.000 Someone's going to find.

00:49:40.000 Wasn't there a Russian submarine that sank and they lied to us about it?

00:49:44.000 Wasn't that to neither confirm nor deny?

00:49:47.000 Isn't that where that came from?

00:49:49.000 I'm not familiar.

00:49:50.000 Yeah, that was from a Radiolab podcast.

00:49:53.000 The term, can neither confirm nor deny, was one of those things where they had to answer a question, but they didn't want to answer it.

00:50:02.000 So they said, we can neither confirm nor deny.

00:50:04.000 That's the answer, yeah.

00:50:05.000 So that has become a way.

00:50:07.000 Yeah, the Glomar response refers to a covert CIA operation where a ship named the Hughes Glomar Explorer was used to recover a sunken Soviet submarine.

00:50:19.000 Can neither confirm nor deny.

00:50:22.000 Implication, when someone says, can neither confirm nor deny, they're essentially saying they cannot provide any information on the matter, leaving the question unanswered.

00:50:28.000 So they answered it without answering it.

00:50:31.000 Because they were compelled to answer, and they said, we can neither confirm nor deny.

00:50:36.000 Which is interesting, because if you're in a Senate hearing and someone says something like that, like, what are you...

00:50:41.000 Now I know you're being sneaky.

00:50:42.000 What did you say?

00:50:43.000 What did you just say?

00:50:44.000 What do you mean you can neither confirm nor deny?

00:50:46.000 Shut the fuck up with all those words. 1.00

00:50:48.000 You can't use all those words anymore.

00:50:50.000 You're being tricky.

00:50:51.000 So I want you to tell me what you know.

00:50:54.000 Say it like that.

00:50:55.000 Tell me what you know.

00:50:56.000 What do you know?

00:50:57.000 Well, I mean, watching that video, no, I think there's a few pieces that are still outstanding, connections that are outstanding for me.

00:51:05.000 A supposed U.S. citizen physically touched a nuclear weapon that was then lost and he knew exactly where it was going somehow.

00:51:16.000 Why was he there?

00:51:17.000 Why was he touching it?

00:51:19.000 Why was he touching it?

00:51:20.000 Why would you touch it?

00:51:21.000 Was he amongst enemies and they were carting the weapon off?

00:51:24.000 He just got his fingers on it?

00:51:25.000 I don't even like doing an x-ray.

00:51:26.000 Why is this motherfucker touching nuclear warheads? 0.84

00:51:30.000 Jesus.

00:51:30.000 And then the jump is that that weapon eventually ended up somewhere on the eastern seaboard and the people that would be responsible for investigating such an issue are not even aware of it, even while somehow our government is flying hundreds of drones around to detect it.

00:51:47.000 It's compelling.

00:51:48.000 It's interesting, but I don't know if it connects...

00:51:51.000 I think there's a few connections short of being able to say that's exactly what's going on here, especially after the conversations I've had.

00:51:57.000 Yeah.

00:51:58.000 My other thought on that would be if you are a military contractor and you design and implement drone systems...

00:52:08.000 How much do they tell you about foreign policy?

00:52:10.000 Why would they tell you about those type of things?

00:52:14.000 How much information would this guy be privy to?

00:52:18.000 Yeah, very little.

00:52:19.000 It'd be very specific to his actual responsibilities, his engineering work.

00:52:23.000 Right.

00:52:24.000 Whereas, like, I can call you, and you actually need to fucking see these things.

00:52:29.000 It's kind of a different, you know, different connection to the information than this guy has.

00:52:35.000 And he seems nervous, you know?

00:52:36.000 I mean...

00:52:37.000 Well, he should be.

00:52:38.000 He may truly believe that.

00:52:39.000 Spilling the beans.

00:52:40.000 Yeah.

00:52:40.000 He's saying a bunch of stuff that I don't think you're supposed to be saying anyway.

00:52:43.000 Like, why are you saying that?

00:52:45.000 Like, I get if you really did believe that, that you would want everyone to know that there's a nuclear warhead missing, but...

00:52:52.000 The other thing that I keep hearing is that the government is not telling us that these are ours.

00:52:58.000 They are ours, but not telling us that these are ours because whatever they're looking for would cause mass panic.

00:53:07.000 What's on the plate then after weapons of mass destruction?

00:53:11.000 Right.

00:53:13.000 Yeah, what is on the plate?

00:53:16.000 I mean, in my eyes, nothing.

00:53:18.000 Like, that's it, right?

00:53:19.000 That's the thing that everybody would really be worried about.

00:53:21.000 The second thing would be that our adversaries are using these things to siphon up information, that it's like some mass Wi-Fi router that's flying over cities and sucking up everybody's passwords.

00:53:33.000 As we move into this new, very bizarre realm of AI and now quantum computing, I had a conversation with someone last night who was explaining to me how cryptography and encryption and all this stuff is literally on the verge of being obsolete and that this is going to put the financial markets into a chaos.

00:53:53.000 All of your passwords, everybody's email, everything is out the window.

00:53:58.000 There's no more encryption.

00:53:59.000 It's not even going to be possible.

00:54:01.000 These things are solving Marc Andreessen explained it this way, that these quantum computers are solving equations that If you took every atom in the universe and converted it into computing power, the time it would take to solve these equations would be longer than the time that the universe would exist before it died of heat death.

00:54:31.000 And they're able to do it in minutes.

00:54:34.000 So, the concept is, and this is where it gets super weird, that this is proof of the multiverse because these computers are using the computing power of perhaps infinite parallel universes simultaneously to achieve these answers.

00:54:57.000 Which is like, what are you saying?

00:54:59.000 What the fuck did you just say?

00:55:01.000 Did you just say that if you took every molecule in the universe and converted it into computing power, it wouldn't be able to do this?

00:55:09.000 This thing that you have in a fucking warehouse somewhere?

00:55:12.000 That this thing has more computational power in this, it's like as big as this room, than the fucking universe, if it was a computer?

00:55:23.000 What are you saying?

00:55:24.000 And you're saying this is the proof of the multiverse?

00:55:26.000 What does that even fucking mean?

00:55:28.000 And what happens if China gets this online?

00:55:31.000 If we're able to do these equations, right?

00:55:35.000 It's kind of almost like proof of concept of the technology being efficient or efficacious.

00:55:41.000 If they're able to do that, What if someone is more advanced than us and gets this connected to AI and implements some sort of a strategy for complete global domination of power grids, financial markets, completely takes control of assets, closes down government computers, locks up databases, deletes any information that's pertinent to Who knows what?

00:56:06.000 Power grid, fucking informational structures, like satellites, cell phones, all of our radio signals.

00:56:15.000 It shuts everything down.

00:56:16.000 It shuts it all down.

00:56:18.000 We're fucking helpless.

00:56:20.000 Most cars have computers in them.

00:56:23.000 Most people don't even know this.

00:56:24.000 Your car has a computer in it.

00:56:26.000 When you have a Chevy and you bring it to the dealership, they plug it in to see what's going on.

00:56:31.000 And the computer...

00:56:33.000 If something shuts those off, no cars work.

00:56:35.000 Everything's open at that point.

00:56:37.000 You have old cars.

00:56:37.000 Everything's fucked.

00:56:39.000 That's it.

00:56:40.000 Everybody's like Cuba. 1.00

00:56:41.000 Everyone's driving around these ancient...

00:56:43.000 Looking for parts.

00:56:44.000 Yeah, I mean, we'd basically have to go back to carburetors.

00:56:47.000 All the electronic fuel injection, all that shit's done.

00:56:49.000 It's all done.

00:56:50.000 My understanding is that this is something China's been looking forward to.

00:56:56.000 So what I mean by that is that they have not just been working on this technology in order to break our encryption now, but have been storing our encrypted data from in the past such that when they do have that breakthrough, they have a lot of data to be able to utilize it on, not just what's happening now.

00:57:15.000 I know this is absolutely happening because my friend, my friend Bobby, owns the Coda, the racetrack in town.

00:57:22.000 And when they had the Formula One race at his racetrack, they found these boxes that were connected to their...

00:57:31.000 This Wi-Fi system and these boxes were outside so the public Wi-Fi system had been compromised by these data-sucking boxes and so they called in Homeland Security they had them removed the whole deal but like someone had gotten to the racetrack and physically connected these boxes to a public Wi-Fi system How many times is that going on where people don't notice it?

00:57:56.000 This is not the first time they've done it.

00:57:58.000 They picked a race in Austin.

00:58:00.000 Yeah, we're gonna get all those fucking race fans, suck up all their data.

00:58:03.000 It doesn't even make any sense, right?

00:58:05.000 This is something that's probably been implemented before.

00:58:07.000 It's like, what are they doing with that data?

00:58:09.000 I think they typically refer to that as a man-in-the-middle attack.

00:58:12.000 So you think you're connecting to the regular Wi-Fi, but you're actually connecting to the adversary's Wi-Fi, sending your data through there, and then they send that to the original box that you thought you were communicating with.

00:58:24.000 And so they get all the information.

00:58:26.000 So all your passwords, anything you're sending, yeah.

00:58:30.000 Exactly.

00:58:31.000 Yeah.

00:58:32.000 That's how they try to crack the Tor network as well.

00:58:35.000 Really?

00:58:36.000 If you're familiar with that.

00:58:37.000 Yeah.

00:58:38.000 By setting up their own servers essentially to serve as a man in the middle attack.

00:58:40.000 But back to your point about China trying to work on quantum computing on AI, I think China is probably one of the biggest motivating factors that the government has right now for opening up the conversation on UAP.

00:58:53.000 Right?

00:58:54.000 So we haven't had this peer threat that we have to worry about that has a totally different investment government structure than we have, right?

00:59:02.000 So in the United States, we have this capitalist market, and we have innovations that break out through that model, like OpenAI.

00:59:10.000 But there are some capabilities where they are not appetizing to the market itself.

00:59:16.000 For example, how do we just suddenly stand up a chip fabrication facility in the United States that competes with the operations in Taiwan?

00:59:25.000 It's not something that a VC is going to invest in.

00:59:28.000 It's going to take billions and billions of dollars.

00:59:30.000 Exactly.

00:59:30.000 And it could fail.

00:59:31.000 Like the Samsung one that they put here.

00:59:33.000 Exactly.

00:59:34.000 Well, they did that because the government took a new approach.

00:59:36.000 They stepped in and said, we're going to financially support this.

00:59:39.000 We're going to open up the piggy banks.

00:59:40.000 We're going to help with regulations and laws, and we're going to make this happen as soon as practically possible.

00:59:46.000 That's the model that China uses all the time, right? 0.66

00:59:49.000 They see something, they go for it, they invest the money, they invest the resources.

00:59:54.000 There's a risk with that.

00:59:55.000 You could be wrong about the efficacy of the technology that you're trying to put forward.

01:00:00.000 It could be strategically misaligned.

01:00:02.000 But if China is having the same issues with the UAP that we are having, then you could imagine them putting a lot of resources into better understanding that situation in a way that we're just not equipped to do.

01:00:13.000 And the fact that this conversation has grown more, that their advancements have been getting better, I think there is this pressure right now within the U.S. government that if we do not further invest, somehow bring in the primary innovation makers within our economy, within the startup community, within the scientific community, into this problem, if it's still just buried in a classified area, then we're going to get outcompeted by China that is able to dump all these resources into it.

01:00:40.000 How do you do that, though, if these people that create these things are motivated by money, if they're motivated by profits, if they run major corporations?

01:00:52.000 How can you convince them to invest in something that is ultimately not going to pay off like it would if you were investing in a consumer product?

01:01:01.000 Yeah, I think it can.

01:01:02.000 I mean, we have a model for that in the United States with deep technology and edge technology.

01:01:07.000 You know, these are capabilities that don't fit into a normal VC's life cycle of five or six years before you're seeing returns.

01:01:13.000 It might take 10 years before you have a product, right?

01:01:16.000 And there's a lot of risks that they could fail along the way.

01:01:19.000 But that's, you know, that's where we get a lot of our major innovations from.

01:01:23.000 That's where we see very exotic technology being worked on, like advanced propulsion, communication systems, energy production.

01:01:30.000 And every one of these has huge potential added value to our economy.

01:01:35.000 I mean, to the level that AI has, right?

01:01:39.000 So, you know, there's a couple ways you can go about it.

01:01:41.000 You know, you can either create a new investment cycle or structure that is more tolerant to the risk and more tolerant to extended time to returns, which, you know, you got to fight market force with that.

01:01:54.000 You could have the government step in, perhaps through the Office of Strategic Capital and others to be able to support venture capitalists that are looking to make investments in these longer term technologies, perhaps in concert with the National Science Foundation that does a lot of work in this area.

01:02:09.000 Or you can try to structure your technologies such that they provide value to existing capabilities during the research and development process.

01:02:17.000 So what I mean by that, and, you know, I've been working this problem for 10 years, Joe.

01:02:21.000 Sounds like it.

01:02:22.000 I've thrown my entire self into this.

01:02:24.000 I've approached it, you know, with my nonprofit, Americans for Safe Aerospace.

01:02:27.000 I've been working in the private sector.

01:02:29.000 I've been collaborating with government and others.

01:02:33.000 And there is a path where the capabilities to better understand this topic are aligned with our defensive needs, right?

01:02:41.000 If we had total situational awareness of our airspace, that's a very valuable thing to the Department of Defense.

01:02:47.000 And those are contracts you can win.

01:02:49.000 Those are reasonable investments you can make through normal market forces.

01:02:53.000 And then you keep working to be able to...

01:02:56.000 Use those existing products and those markets to bring out technology that is related to the UAP topic, whether that be detection, perhaps propulsion, energy, things of that nature.

01:03:06.000 So you have to find these core technologies that the government wants that is also aligned with the better understanding of UAP. Now, the way you're describing this sounds like it could be done, but China's already done that.

01:03:21.000 So, like, how far behind the curve are we on the implementation of this technology?

01:03:26.000 Well, it's an unknown how far China is.

01:03:29.000 You know, there are some rumors, and I'm not even going to mention them because they're too low-confidence.

01:03:35.000 Come on, I love a good low-confidence rumor.

01:03:38.000 There does seem to be investment that's been made.

01:03:40.000 There are talk that they are having the same problems and perhaps have been better motivated than we are to investigate ones that they have been able to recover.

01:03:49.000 Do you know about the anti-gravity lady that went missing and went back to China? 0.85

01:03:53.000 Yeah.

01:03:53.000 Ning Li?

01:03:54.000 What's your thoughts on that type of technology?

01:03:57.000 It's interesting.

01:03:58.000 You know, I was mentioning this out front with some of the guys earlier.

01:04:02.000 There seems to be these interesting technologies that were once ridiculed back in the day, whether it be anti-gravity, cold fusion, others.

01:04:11.000 It's a good way to get rid of stuff, ridicule it.

01:04:14.000 Yeah, I'm very familiar with that strategy.

01:04:18.000 Lab leak.

01:04:19.000 They did it with a lot of stuff.

01:04:20.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:04:23.000 And they all just went dark for like 30, 40 years.

01:04:26.000 But some of those capabilities seem to be popping back up in mainstream scientific circles.

01:04:34.000 Have you ever heard Eric Weinstein discuss this?

01:04:36.000 He has some very fucking, you gotta get that tinfoil hat really tightly secured to your head.

01:04:43.000 But he believes that this is one of the reasons why physics has sort of stalled over the last 20 years.

01:04:50.000 He thinks some of the best minds have been moved into a project.

01:04:55.000 And that it very well might be something along these lines, something along some like super advanced propulsion system.

01:05:04.000 Mark Anderson had the same conversation with the White House, right?

01:05:08.000 Talking about classifying AI technology and math and that they've done it before.

01:05:12.000 What is this?

01:05:13.000 Justin, Trump says he's staying away from his New Jersey golf club amid the drone sightings.

01:05:18.000 The government doesn't know what's happening.

01:05:20.000 Our military knows.

01:05:22.000 You said they know what's happening.

01:05:23.000 Oh, the government knows what's happening.

01:05:25.000 Our military knows where they took off from.

01:05:27.000 They know where it came from and where it went.

01:05:30.000 Something strange is going on.

01:05:32.000 Play the video.

01:05:33.000 The government knows what is happening.

01:05:33.000 Yeah, sure.

01:05:33.000 Let's hear it.

01:05:36.000 Look, our military knows where they took off from.

01:05:41.000 If it's a garage, they can go right into that garage.

01:05:44.000 They know where it came from and where it went.

01:05:48.000 And for some reason, they don't want to comment.

01:05:51.000 And I think they'd be better off saying what it is.

01:05:53.000 Our military knows and our president knows.

01:05:56.000 And for some reason, they want to keep people in suspense.

01:05:59.000 I can't imagine it's the enemy, because if it was the enemy, they'd blast it out.

01:06:04.000 Even if they were late, they'd blast it out.

01:06:07.000 Something strange is going on.

01:06:08.000 For some reason, they don't want to tell the people.

01:06:10.000 And they should, because the people are really...

01:06:12.000 I mean, they happen to be over Bedminster.

01:06:16.000 They're very close to Bedminster.

01:06:20.000 I think maybe I won't spend the weekend in Bedminster.

01:06:23.000 I've decided to cancel my trip.

01:06:27.000 I don't want to comment on that.

01:06:29.000 Mr. President, Mr. President, Mr. President.

01:06:31.000 Here's my question.

01:06:33.000 First, on that team, do you want our...

01:06:35.000 That was it.

01:06:37.000 Okay.

01:06:37.000 I didn't want to comment on intelligence briefing.

01:06:39.000 We can figure this out, Joe.

01:06:40.000 Like I said, it's a hard problem, but it's not an unsolvable problem.

01:06:44.000 There are technologies that we could go out in the field within a couple weeks, employ, see if we can find the RF signals and try to trace them back.

01:06:54.000 We don't have to rely on the government for us.

01:06:56.000 Let's do it.

01:06:57.000 Well, how would we do it?

01:06:58.000 Well, come join American Safe Aerospace.

01:07:01.000 What do I have to do?

01:07:02.000 Come to my website, safeaerospace.org.

01:07:05.000 Go to that website.

01:07:05.000 We'll go out there.

01:07:06.000 Let's see what we've got to do.

01:07:08.000 We're almost the largest UAP organization in the world right now.

01:07:11.000 Really?

01:07:11.000 And when I talk to people in Congress and the executive branch, I point to them and say, hey, 13,588 people care about this issue.

01:07:22.000 This allows us to be able to go in there and talk seriously about this conversation.

01:07:27.000 So, Jamie, sign up.

01:07:30.000 Put in your email there.

01:07:31.000 Don't show the world your email, though.

01:07:33.000 Jesus Christ, people are gonna know.

01:07:34.000 They're gonna know, Jamie.

01:07:36.000 They're gonna hear the amount of clicks that you make.

01:07:38.000 These fuckers, they're very clever.

01:07:43.000 We could get us to the largest UAP organization in the world right now in this show, Joe.

01:07:48.000 Now we're 13,589.

01:07:48.000 Well, there you go.

01:07:51.000 Congratulations, Jamie.

01:07:52.000 So what would you do?

01:07:54.000 So now that you've joined, what can you do?

01:07:56.000 We've been working with drone operators.

01:07:59.000 Oh boy, what does your submit report inbox look like?

01:08:03.000 How many schizophrenics are in there?

01:08:05.000 Well, you know, it's not too bad, honestly.

01:08:07.000 Really?

01:08:08.000 You occasionally get, you know, your people that are questionable.

01:08:13.000 How do you separate the wheat from the shaft, as it were?

01:08:16.000 It's pretty easy.

01:08:16.000 You know, we focus on commercial aviators, military aviators, veterans.

01:08:20.000 We receive reports from the random person on the ground.

01:08:24.000 But what's really interesting, because of the work we've been doing, so many pilots have felt more comfortable reporting.

01:08:32.000 Every major airline is seeing this.

01:08:33.000 I've talked with pilots from every major airline.

01:08:36.000 Some of them are standing up their own UAP working groups within their airlines to be able to report on this.

01:08:41.000 I'm working closely with them on this.

01:08:43.000 But what's interesting is we get these reports from pilots and we can often then see similarities or even perhaps the exact same object that's being reported by people on the ground.

01:08:56.000 So one particular example over Atlanta Airport a few years ago, there was a relatively large object, brightly lit, about 8,000 feet over Atlanta.

01:09:05.000 Four or five commercial airliners called it in.

01:09:08.000 ATC didn't know what it was.

01:09:10.000 The object started to accelerate level due south to what I call conventional speeds, as fast as an airliner, and then took off much faster, continuing due south.

01:09:22.000 And all these pilots witnessed it.

01:09:24.000 We received those reports, and the next day we received a report from a random lady in Florida that happened to be basically due south from Atlanta. 1.00

01:09:33.000 She took a picture of the exact same object.

01:09:37.000 Do we have access to that photo?

01:09:39.000 I do.

01:09:40.000 Can we see it?

01:09:41.000 I don't have it.

01:09:42.000 What do you mean you don't have it?

01:09:43.000 How can you not have that on your fucking screen?

01:09:45.000 I'll text it to you.

01:09:46.000 Wouldn't you have that, Jamie?

01:09:47.000 Wouldn't that be like your wallpaper?

01:09:51.000 I would have like, you know an apple you could cycle from a bunch of wallpapers?

01:09:55.000 I'd put my kids on when I get home.

01:09:56.000 But through the day...

01:09:57.000 Top favorites?

01:09:58.000 I have a lot of them.

01:09:58.000 Yeah.

01:09:59.000 You can air drop them to me if you have access to them.

01:10:01.000 I'd have my dog.

01:10:02.000 I'd have the UFO. My wife.

01:10:04.000 I might have to get in on your wifi.

01:10:07.000 We can get you in the Wi-Fi.

01:10:08.000 We can figure this out, Joe.

01:10:10.000 I talk with engineers, scientists, CEOs at drone companies, counter-drone companies.

01:10:16.000 We can bring the capabilities.

01:10:17.000 We could be out there in two weeks detecting and tracking these objects to get answers.

01:10:20.000 Well, what do you think about what Trump is saying, though, that they already do know and that they have tracked it, but the government just does not want to tell us what's going on?

01:10:28.000 So what's that leave us, then?

01:10:30.000 Well, that leaves us either an enemy or us, right?

01:10:32.000 So it either leaves us they're not concerned because this is something that they're doing with us.

01:10:37.000 What if they're trying to get us comfortable because they know that some real UAPs are on the way?

01:10:45.000 You want to go all the way out there.

01:10:47.000 If you really wanted to get people relaxed to the idea of flying saucers, like legitimate whatever the hell they are, wherever the hell they're from, if you knew that was coming and you didn't want mass panic, what would you do?

01:11:01.000 You would trickle it in.

01:11:03.000 You would trickle it in slowly.

01:11:04.000 You'd have a bunch of drones hovering over cities for weeks and months at a time.

01:11:08.000 You would get people really accustomed to the news cycle having UAPs in it, and then real ones show up.

01:11:19.000 It doesn't feel like a trickle right now, though.

01:11:22.000 Well, you would do it this way.

01:11:23.000 It's a trickle for me.

01:11:25.000 I'm not seeing shit, okay?

01:11:27.000 I'm out here in Texas.

01:11:28.000 We were looking at the sky last night.

01:11:31.000 We were to the mothership Christmas party.

01:11:33.000 No UFOs.

01:11:34.000 So it's a trickle, relatively, to the world.

01:11:38.000 Like you have a bunch of them hovering over New Jersey, you have a few of them in San Diego, you have them in different areas.

01:11:38.000 Right?

01:11:45.000 If you knew that UAPs were coming and you were in the government and you said, what can we do? 0.59

01:11:52.000 Well, you'd probably bring in psychologists and these psychologists would explain, Human patterns of reacting to change in environments, especially radical changes in civilization and culture and like what can be done to mitigate the brutality of this process.

01:12:09.000 Like the ultimate mass freakout that's going to come if UFOs come.

01:12:15.000 Get people just so accustomed to UFO, like the mask thing, right?

01:12:19.000 Sounds like a ridiculous comparison, but like Five years ago, if people were walking around wearing masks, you would go, what is going on?

01:12:27.000 What's happening here?

01:12:28.000 It would make you uncomfortable.

01:12:30.000 Someone walked into a bank with a mask on.

01:12:33.000 You're like, what the fuck?

01:12:34.000 Are you crazy?

01:12:35.000 Now you have to do it.

01:12:36.000 It's this very strange...

01:12:38.000 So it took a while, but then it became normal.

01:12:42.000 Yeah.

01:12:43.000 They wanted to make it normal that things are in the sky you put things in the sky you put a bunch of things in the sky and you don't explain it and you have them there all the time and you let people speculate and You put a lot of wild theories on me.

01:12:57.000 Maybe they're looking for a nuke.

01:12:58.000 Oh, they're looking for a nuke Bobby heard they're looking for a nuke Timmy got an email.

01:13:02.000 Don't worry.

01:13:02.000 It's just aliens not a nuke.

01:13:04.000 Well It's probably not even it's probably our shit or or You know, some unknown agency is involved in this.

01:13:15.000 The government's not concerned because they know exactly what's happening.

01:13:18.000 That's why there's not shooting them down.

01:13:20.000 That's why they're not scrambling jets.

01:13:21.000 That's why they're not doing all these things that Trump's asking why they're doing this thing.

01:13:25.000 If you knew something was coming, if you knew that these things that you're seeing float in the sky that are a clear circle with a black square inside of it and they can hover at 120 knots completely still, which doesn't even make any sense, no heat signature, what is it?

01:13:39.000 What the fuck is that?

01:13:40.000 And what if a bunch of them are coming?

01:13:42.000 Put a bunch of shit in the sky.

01:13:44.000 Freak these dummies out. 1.00

01:13:45.000 That's what I would do.

01:13:46.000 I would get all of our best drones and just fly them around.

01:13:49.000 Hover over cities.

01:13:51.000 Hover over LaGuardia.

01:13:52.000 Hover over the White House.

01:13:54.000 Who gives a fuck?

01:13:54.000 Just get people weirded out and get them accustomed to UFOs.

01:13:59.000 You ever see District 9?

01:14:01.000 Great movie, right?

01:14:01.000 Yeah.

01:14:01.000 You ever see that movie?

01:14:02.000 Yeah.

01:14:03.000 Really fucking fun movie.

01:14:04.000 But it's kind of what would happen.

01:14:07.000 If aliens were here and there's like alien camps and we had them, we would just get used to it after a while.

01:14:13.000 We get used to shit.

01:14:13.000 Yeah.

01:14:15.000 The way we live is so entirely alien to people that lived just 200 years ago that if you brought someone from the pioneer days and you put them in a Tesla and then you drove them to the movie theater and then you took them to a concert, you'd be like, what the fuck is going on?

01:14:35.000 And then you showed them your phone.

01:14:36.000 You're like, I'm going to FaceTime my mom.

01:14:38.000 That's my mom! 1.00

01:14:38.000 Look at that! 1.00

01:14:39.000 What's up, mom?

01:14:42.000 It's crazy.

01:14:43.000 But we're accustomed to it.

01:14:45.000 We're so accustomed to it that people tell you to get off your phone.

01:14:48.000 Hey, get off your phone.

01:14:49.000 You're always on your phone.

01:14:50.000 Live your life.

01:14:51.000 Get off your phone.

01:14:52.000 You're so connected to this bizarre new world that we live in.

01:14:57.000 But it's accustomed.

01:14:58.000 We're accustomed to it.

01:14:59.000 It's normal.

01:15:00.000 It's completely normalized.

01:15:01.000 If I wanted to normalize the idea of us being invaded, I'd just fucking put stuff in the sky all the time.

01:15:07.000 Fly around with experimental aircrafts.

01:15:10.000 Do like a low trajectory over a city in some new stealth bomber.

01:15:15.000 Freak these fucking people out.

01:15:17.000 Get them used to being freaked out.

01:15:18.000 And then when the real ones come, it's much less of a blow.

01:15:22.000 Well, some politicians just as soon as yesterday, Chuck Schumer, Robert Garcia in the house, they've started to kind of use the whole drone and or UAP in their messaging, right?

01:15:35.000 They've started to change their language.

01:15:36.000 Did you get that photo, Jesse?

01:15:38.000 Jamie.

01:15:39.000 Or Jamie, sorry.

01:15:40.000 Pull it up, young Jesse.

01:15:42.000 I sent it the wrong guy.

01:15:43.000 Maybe that's why.

01:15:44.000 We were talking about Jesse before, that's why.

01:15:46.000 You can airdrop it to me, that'd probably be the fastest way.

01:15:49.000 Yeah, it says it's waiting.

01:15:50.000 Is it the Jamie MacBook Pro?

01:15:51.000 Yeah, I have two.

01:15:52.000 I'm looking at both of them.

01:15:55.000 I didn't get anything.

01:15:57.000 You want to just text it to me and I'll send it to him?

01:15:59.000 Yeah.

01:16:00.000 Okay.

01:16:00.000 That works too.

01:16:03.000 See, even with this fucking high-level technology that we have.

01:16:06.000 They're shutting us down.

01:16:07.000 They're shutting us down, bro.

01:16:08.000 Yeah, I was thinking that last night.

01:16:10.000 I was like, why does my Bluetooth keep skipping out when I'm trying to stream music?

01:16:14.000 But I realized that there were so many people connected to the Bluetooth, and if you have that Spotify thing on where you're sharing, it's like, I forget what it's called.

01:16:25.000 Like a bunch of people can contribute songs.

01:16:28.000 They can all like add to your little playlist while it's going on.

01:16:31.000 Dangerous.

01:16:32.000 Yeah, it's dangerous.

01:16:32.000 It fucks.

01:16:34.000 All of it's dangerous.

01:16:35.000 I'm like that close to getting one of them crazy de-googled phones, but I'm like, how's that even work?

01:16:41.000 They had a good one.

01:16:42.000 I get it.

01:16:43.000 I think, you know, Eric Prince apparently has a good one.

01:16:46.000 He's got something called the unplugged phone.

01:16:49.000 It actually has a physical button you can switch where it deactivates the battery as well.

01:16:54.000 Like separates, like a little piece of plastic goes between where the battery connects.

01:16:58.000 And so, even if you shut your phone off, they can still listen to you.

01:17:03.000 Like, that sounds so crazy, but it is absolutely true.

01:17:06.000 And you can't take your battery out of your phone anymore.

01:17:10.000 You know, it's like a convenient thing.

01:17:12.000 In order to make it waterproof.

01:17:13.000 Sorry.

01:17:14.000 Your battery...

01:17:15.000 And then it's also...

01:17:15.000 It's like planned obsolescence.

01:17:17.000 So your battery's gonna die.

01:17:19.000 You're gonna need an iPhone 17, Ryan?

01:17:21.000 I don't know where they can sell new ones.

01:17:21.000 Come on!

01:17:22.000 I got a new Zoom feature.

01:17:24.000 You need this in your life.

01:17:24.000 Come on.

01:17:25.000 You need this new Zoom feature.

01:17:27.000 You need that extra 50,000 megapixels or whatever the fuck it is.

01:17:31.000 You know...

01:17:33.000 It's just, I don't know.

01:17:36.000 I think privacy is kind of gone.

01:17:38.000 And I think it's gonna be super gone with these quantum computers.

01:17:42.000 It's over.

01:17:44.000 Like, there's no privacy.

01:17:45.000 And I think the real problem is the financial market.

01:17:49.000 It's all numbers, right?

01:17:51.000 It's all just ones and zeros.

01:17:53.000 If somebody controls that before we do, if somebody breaks through with this type of technology and then just shuts all the other ones off, Like, how many...

01:18:03.000 Bitcoin to the rescue, maybe?

01:18:05.000 I don't even know.

01:18:07.000 Doesn't Bitcoin get compromised?

01:18:09.000 Google says its breakthrough quantum chip can't break modern cryptography.

01:18:13.000 They said it like this.

01:18:14.000 No, we can't even...

01:18:15.000 Don't be worried.

01:18:19.000 We can't even break any of your codes!

01:18:21.000 The willow chip is not capable of breaking modern cryptography.

01:18:24.000 Well, listen.

01:18:26.000 I don't believe that, first of all.

01:18:28.000 And second of all, my real concern is this is one step in this...

01:18:33.000 We are about to go off of a technological cliff.

01:18:37.000 This is one step.

01:18:40.000 ChatGPT was one step.

01:18:42.000 They're about to do ChatGPT 5, which is magnitudes Greater power than ChatGBT.

01:18:49.000 It's supposed to be like a giant leap.

01:18:51.000 And that ain't shit.

01:18:53.000 That ain't shit compared to AGI, which they think 2025. So artificial, general intelligence, and then connected to a quantum computer.

01:19:01.000 And Google is literally talking about they have plans to put their own nuclear power plants to power their AI systems.

01:19:10.000 It needs so much power.

01:19:12.000 They want three nuclear power plants.

01:19:15.000 That's wild.

01:19:16.000 What are you about to do?

01:19:17.000 Like, what are you doing, you fucking eggheads?

01:19:20.000 What are you doing?

01:19:21.000 Are you guys making God?

01:19:22.000 Like, what the fuck are you doing?

01:19:24.000 Do you even know what you're doing?

01:19:25.000 I've seen this movie, I swear.

01:19:26.000 It hasn't even been made yet.

01:19:28.000 And the problem is, if you don't do it, our enemy's going to do it.

01:19:32.000 And we're so shitty at communicating with other human beings all across the world that we've been stealing resources and overthrowing governments for so long that nobody trusts us.

01:19:41.000 And then while all that's going on, we're in the middle of creating an artificial intelligence that's infinitely smarter than us and might be working in parallel universes.

01:19:51.000 If you can do an equation, and you're telling me that this equation through these quantum computers is proof of a multiverse, what happens if AGI gets connected to the multiverse?

01:20:05.000 Do you even know?

01:20:06.000 Are you just doing it?

01:20:08.000 Do you even know?

01:20:09.000 Can you tell me what's the best case scenario?

01:20:13.000 What's worst case scenario?

01:20:15.000 Can you tell me what you've thought about?

01:20:17.000 Or instead of just fucking all gas, no brakes?

01:20:20.000 And everyone's all gas, no brakes.

01:20:22.000 We're all fucking hot rodders on the highway, headed towards this weird thing that no one really knows what it's going to be, but everyone agrees it's the greatest technological breakthrough the human race has ever experienced, and it's happening so fast, and most people are like, what?

01:20:37.000 What's going on?

01:20:38.000 What are they doing over there?

01:20:39.000 Most people, if they're not listening to podcasts, they're not on Twitter every day, and they're not on Facebook, and they're not really paying attention to this stuff, most people are blissfully unaware we're about to awaken a god.

01:20:53.000 Blissfully unaware we're about to connect to some insane technology that hasn't even been It's so insane that it's sort of like one of those things where somebody tries to tell you how many stars there are in the universe.

01:21:06.000 You go, what?

01:21:08.000 I can't comprehend it.

01:21:09.000 Your head goes, what does that mean?

01:21:11.000 What's the number?

01:21:13.000 What?

01:21:14.000 When they were saying that it can compute something that all the world's supercomputers, it would take some septillion number of years to do, that it can do it in 15 minutes?

01:21:28.000 What are you even saying?

01:21:29.000 I don't even know what you just said.

01:21:31.000 If you told me how many zeros to write, I could probably keep doing it until I got to the right amount of zeros.

01:21:36.000 I don't know what the fuck that means.

01:21:38.000 My brain's good for like 150, 500 people.

01:21:42.000 That looks like about 3,000 people.

01:21:44.000 I was at the Formula One racetrack.

01:21:46.000 I'm like, how many people were seeing M&M? I'm like, how many people are here?

01:21:49.000 I took a guess.

01:21:50.000 Like 50,000?

01:21:51.000 I don't know.

01:21:51.000 It's 110,000.

01:21:53.000 I was rough by 50,000.

01:21:55.000 My brain doesn't understand numbers.

01:21:57.000 And then you get to millions.

01:21:59.000 Imagine like looking at a group of people.

01:22:01.000 Oh, that's about two million.

01:22:03.000 No, you can't do it.

01:22:05.000 You can recognize like 150 people.

01:22:06.000 It looks like about 150 people.

01:22:08.000 When things get big, they just get too weird.

01:22:10.000 And the universe is insanely big.

01:22:13.000 Insanely big.

01:22:14.000 So your brain just doesn't do it.

01:22:15.000 It just...

01:22:16.000 Everybody's brain.

01:22:18.000 Even the most...

01:22:20.000 Neil deGrasse Tyson.

01:22:21.000 You get an astrophysicist.

01:22:23.000 Get one of those guys.

01:22:24.000 They're not going to be able to...

01:22:25.000 The brain's not built for it.

01:22:27.000 So this thing is so much more powerful than even that.

01:22:32.000 Even the whole universe as a computer?

01:22:36.000 That doesn't even make sense.

01:22:38.000 And they're just...

01:22:39.000 What are we doing?

01:22:44.000 We have AI. We have quantum.

01:22:47.000 We have mysterious objects showing up on the coast.

01:22:52.000 It does seem like a lot of things are converging right now.

01:22:55.000 Well, if I was an advanced civilization that had already passed this stage, maybe this is like a common stage.

01:23:02.000 Maybe this is just like how bees all over the world make beehives.

01:23:07.000 They all do the same thing, right?

01:23:09.000 Maybe this is a strange stage that intelligent life gets to when it reaches a point of technological sophistication where it can create An artificial version of a thinking being.

01:23:21.000 And then that thinking being, of course, creates infinitely better versions of itself and figures out a way to harness power in a way that's just...

01:23:28.000 We can't even comprehend, which is what a quantum computer connected to AGI would be able to do.

01:23:34.000 Maybe that's like...

01:23:35.000 Maybe they know that this happens and they're like, oh, it's about to happen.

01:23:39.000 And so then they come.

01:23:41.000 Like, wasn't there a meeting?

01:23:42.000 Some sort of a...

01:23:43.000 There was another good tinfoil hat one.

01:23:45.000 I was like, ooh, what are they talking about?

01:23:47.000 There was some super top secret meeting with the people from the James Webb Telescope because of something they had discovered.

01:23:54.000 There was some thing that they had seen that they decided, and I don't know what that means.

01:24:00.000 You know, if you really wanted to get terrified, you'd say, oh my god, an asteroid's coming.

01:24:03.000 And it might be that.

01:24:04.000 Or it might be there's some new thing that sort of rewrites the date.

01:24:10.000 Of the beginning of the Big Bang, which is they're kind of starting to talk about doing that now.

01:24:17.000 There's some people that want to push the creation of the universe back to about 22 billion years instead of 13 point whatever it is now.

01:24:26.000 Who cares?

01:24:27.000 Why keep that secret?

01:24:28.000 That's not going to freak people out.

01:24:29.000 Well, that's how I'm just being charitable.

01:24:31.000 I'm saying like, or there's something out there.

01:24:34.000 Or there's something that they know is headed our way.

01:24:38.000 It is, I mean...

01:24:41.000 It is possible.

01:24:42.000 We're doing it.

01:24:43.000 We send things to Mars, right?

01:24:45.000 And if we know That we're going through this thing right now.

01:24:51.000 We're about to create a AGI. We're about to implement quantum computing in this country who knows what they're doing in other countries.

01:25:00.000 If this is just like a thing that beings go through and we get past this and then we find another planet out there that's also like dropping nuclear bombs on it.

01:25:11.000 We would probably start circling that planet and making sure they don't fuck the whole thing up.

01:25:16.000 I mean, it just seems like to be...

01:25:18.000 It's probably insanely difficult to get intelligent life to the position that we're in right now in a volatile universe that's subject to natural disasters, asteroid impacts, super volcanoes, earthquakes, tsunamis, all different things that could wipe out technology and bring it back to the caveman days, you know?

01:25:36.000 If all that is known and this is going on all throughout the universe, it would probably be in their best interest to sort of protect this investment in evolution and not have us knock back to the Stone Age and have to start all over again.

01:25:51.000 Not have us nuke ourselves to the point where there's like 13 of us left, you know?

01:25:57.000 Well, outside of us nuking ourselves, what do you think that the Trump administration, oncoming Trump administration, should do about the UAP topic?

01:26:06.000 Have you thought about that?

01:26:07.000 Yes, I have.

01:26:08.000 He couldn't tell me anything.

01:26:10.000 I tried to get it out of him.

01:26:12.000 He wouldn't tell me shit.

01:26:14.000 Basically, you know, I've seen some things.

01:26:16.000 I know some things.

01:26:19.000 Transparency, I think, is very important.

01:26:20.000 I think, peel the fucking bandaid off.

01:26:22.000 Tell us what you're doing.

01:26:24.000 Tell us what you know.

01:26:24.000 And if you can't, I have to think that it's a military intelligence thing.

01:26:29.000 Like, you don't want the enemy to know what you're capable of, which I totally understand.

01:26:34.000 If that's what's going on and that's why they can't tell us, that actually makes sense.

01:26:38.000 But if it's not that, and it's that we are experiencing contact on a regular basis with something that we can't explain or understand, you don't have the right to that.

01:26:51.000 You don't have the right to that information.

01:26:53.000 That's not yours. 0.61

01:26:54.000 That's the human races.

01:26:56.000 People love to have fucking super top secrets That no one else can know and you're in the end, but you can't have that one.

01:27:04.000 You can't have that one.

01:27:05.000 If you're telling me that you have to do it because we've developed some sort of a gravity propulsion system that's infinitely superior to anything the Soviet Union has or the Russia has or China has, Fine.

01:27:16.000 That's not my business.

01:27:17.000 I'm not in the business of the military and national security.

01:27:20.000 If that's why you can't tell us, I totally understand.

01:27:23.000 But if you are in contact with fucking aliens, and you know they exist, you know there's something that visits us, whether it's from another dimension or whether it's from another planet, that's not yours.

01:27:35.000 That's not yours to tell.

01:27:36.000 You can't treat us like fucking babies, like we can't handle this.

01:27:40.000 If you actually have recovered a crashed UFO, look, I understand the implications of national security if you're trying to back-engineer that thing.

01:27:49.000 I understand that.

01:27:50.000 If you're saying, like, we have to get to this, if China gets to this, this is a game-changer, we're fucked, I get it.

01:27:56.000 Anything else, you have to tell us.

01:27:59.000 Because it doesn't make any sense that you, some unelected official, some guy who's working in coordination with Raytheon or whatever the fuck you're doing...

01:28:10.000 You can't keep that shit secret.

01:28:11.000 That's the world's information.

01:28:14.000 You know, that should be a crime.

01:28:16.000 This is something the human race needs to know.

01:28:19.000 We didn't know it was bullshit.

01:28:21.000 Look, again, if it's our stuff and we can't say anything about it because we can't let China know that we have that and we did huddle up these fucking physicists in some obscure college and we did create some wild shit that the Rest of the world is not really ready for or doesn't understand yet.

01:28:40.000 Maybe we're way ahead of the curve in that.

01:28:43.000 Other than that, you gotta fucking tell us.

01:28:46.000 You gotta tell us what the fuck is going on.

01:28:48.000 I agree with you.

01:28:49.000 And how is it happening like back in 2004?

01:28:51.000 This is where it gets squirrely.

01:28:53.000 Where it gets squirrely is like, in 2004, we didn't even have a fucking iPhone, okay?

01:29:01.000 So in 2004, everybody had flip phones.

01:29:04.000 You were the shit if you had a Motorola Razr.

01:29:07.000 You were living the future.

01:29:09.000 You know, so...

01:29:10.000 That's not feasible that you would have something that moves like the Tic Tac in 2004. That's not feasible.

01:29:18.000 That doesn't make any sense to me, that you have something that can go from 50,000 feet above sea level to 50 in a second.

01:29:25.000 What?

01:29:28.000 What's it made out of that it doesn't disintegrate?

01:29:31.000 How fast is that?

01:29:33.000 What the fuck does that even mean?

01:29:35.000 That's space.

01:29:36.000 You go from space to the surface of the water in a second?

01:29:42.000 How?

01:29:43.000 It's the equivalent of multiple nuclear bombs going off and energy expenditure.

01:29:47.000 How is that possible in 2004?

01:29:49.000 That doesn't even make any sense to me.

01:29:50.000 So, if it's not ours, and if it's not some back-engineered stuff, then what's going on?

01:29:56.000 You know, I think there's two conversations that kind of go on in this topic, right?

01:30:02.000 And I think they both help each other out.

01:30:04.000 And you've been talking about it right now.

01:30:06.000 They don't have the right to keep these essential pieces of knowledge from us about our universe, right?

01:30:11.000 And I see that as the conversation around disclosure.

01:30:15.000 What does the government know?

01:30:16.000 What are they going to reveal to us?

01:30:18.000 And we can integrate it into our knowledge.

01:30:20.000 But I think there's an as important side of the conversation It's called discovery, if you will, right?

01:30:26.000 But what can we learn in the public sphere outside of the classification window that allows us to understand what's going on outside of the reins and control of the government itself?

01:30:36.000 And I feel like they're mutually supportive, right?

01:30:39.000 The more disclosure and conversation there is within government, the more that people are motivated on the outside to investigate this and research it and invest into it.

01:30:48.000 And the more that that work is done, it pressures the disclosure side of the conversation to keep up with the conversation and share with it.

01:30:56.000 Now, I don't know if we're going to get to a point of full disclosure, like you just talked about, without increased pressure on the discovery side, on the public side, because I think they would be content to keep that information quiet.

01:31:09.000 I don't know if Trump would be content to do that, you know, and I don't know if Tulsi would be content to do that either.

01:31:15.000 You know, if she's going to be, she's what, the Director of National Intelligence?

01:31:19.000 If she's confirmed, yeah.

01:31:21.000 If she's confirmed?

01:31:22.000 I have a feeling she's gonna tell people.

01:31:25.000 But here's the thing, it's like, what we were talking about before, if it is a national security issue, And fuck, how is it not?

01:31:33.000 Right?

01:31:34.000 Like, if Bob Lazar is telling the truth, right?

01:31:36.000 Let's go to the wackiest of the wacky ones, right?

01:31:38.000 Because Bob's story, I don't mean because Bob's wacky, I mean because it's 1989. Okay, so we're in the 80s, right?

01:31:45.000 Cars suck.

01:31:46.000 Fucking, you know, fighter jets of the 1980s.

01:31:49.000 Imagine, like, the fighter jets that you flew in comparison to a fighter jet from, like, 1983. Yeah, no internet, really, to speak of, even back then.

01:31:57.000 There was like a few computers connected, right, by physical cords or something, probably.

01:31:57.000 Yeah.

01:32:02.000 But that time period, we did not have what he was describing if what he was describing is accurate.

01:32:12.000 And then when you see that gimbal footage, that thing is moving exactly the way he described it.

01:32:19.000 Where he said, it's built like your classic flying, that's actually an image of it right there, that little model that we have.

01:32:31.000 That's what he described.

01:32:32.000 So, 1989, he's saying that this thing, when it would fly, it would turn sideways.

01:32:41.000 It would turn like 90 degrees, and that's where it would, whatever the fuck kind of generator that's inside of it, it would point it in the general direction it wanted to go.

01:32:49.000 That's what the gimbal did.

01:32:51.000 The gimbal turned in that way.

01:32:53.000 And what he's describing in this reactor is some sort of an element, and it's element 115. Whoever has created this thing is a stable version of this element, and when it's blasted with radiation, it creates some sort of a warp element.

01:33:12.000 In space-time and in some way, whether it's gravity or whatever it does, it folds time and it just shoots off at insane rates of speed.

01:33:22.000 But the things inside of it, I would imagine, aren't experiencing g-force the way it does the traditional propulsion system.

01:33:30.000 It's the only way a biological thing could survive, right?

01:33:35.000 But then I'm thinking, why would it even be biological if it's so much more advanced than us?

01:33:40.000 We're already creating artificial limbs.

01:33:43.000 We're already creating artificial eyes.

01:33:46.000 We're already putting neural links into people.

01:33:48.000 And we're fucking apes.

01:33:49.000 We're apes.

01:33:50.000 And we're like, drill a fucking hole and stick some wires in there and let's see what we can do to Timmy.

01:33:54.000 Now Timmy can fucking use his eyeballs.

01:33:58.000 Noah, the guy who was in there, was the first ever neural link patient.

01:34:02.000 And his name's Noah, right?

01:34:07.000 Knoll?

01:34:08.000 Noland.

01:34:08.000 Sorry, Noland.

01:34:09.000 Cool guy.

01:34:10.000 I just have too many names in my head.

01:34:11.000 No disrespect.

01:34:12.000 But he can use his eyeballs like a cursor.

01:34:17.000 He says like an aimbot when he's playing video games.

01:34:20.000 So he plays video games better than people that can use their hands.

01:34:24.000 Because he can...

01:34:25.000 Like he shoots exactly where he's looking at, which is nuts.

01:34:29.000 So how...

01:34:32.000 How many years have to pass?

01:34:34.000 Think about from like 2004 no iPhone to today what we've got and meta virtual reality sets.

01:34:40.000 How many years have to pass before it's more effective to go through the world being completely integrated into like an artificial creation?

01:34:49.000 Not much.

01:34:50.000 Not much where we're cyborgs.

01:34:52.000 Not much where, well, why would you want regular eyes?

01:34:55.000 Your kid has regular eyes?

01:34:56.000 That's crazy.

01:34:57.000 Get them the new eyes.

01:34:58.000 They have infrared, radar.

01:35:01.000 They can detect gases.

01:35:03.000 You can move away from, you know, it's like safety.

01:35:05.000 It's better for you.

01:35:06.000 You see better.

01:35:07.000 You never go blind.

01:35:09.000 When they go bad, they replace them.

01:35:10.000 Everybody would just get the fake eyes.

01:35:12.000 It's just like a jet, right?

01:35:13.000 I mean, fighter jets, they used to be barreling around out there looking for objects, looking for targets, but we're able to integrate and update all the technology that allows us to interact with the world.

01:35:22.000 It's not put right into our brain yet, although they are working on that.

01:35:26.000 So maybe those things are what happens when technology and biology integrate over a long period of time.

01:35:34.000 And they probably have eliminated all of our primate Desires and weirdness that makes progress problematic.

01:35:46.000 You know, greed and envy and trying to steal from resources from other countries and invasions and tribal behavior and manipulation and propaganda and lying.

01:35:57.000 They probably can all read minds, so there's no more lying.

01:35:59.000 And they've no need for physical muscles.

01:36:04.000 That's why they look like these little fucking spindly things.

01:36:06.000 It kind of makes sense.

01:36:07.000 Like, that's where evolution and technology, if they merged, that's what it would look like.

01:36:13.000 It would look like some weird fucking thing where they all look the same, so nobody gives a shit.

01:36:17.000 And they control...

01:36:19.000 One of the things Lazar said, these things have no...

01:36:23.000 Switches or buttons or there's no controls inside of them.

01:36:26.000 So he thinks they're controlling them with their minds.

01:36:28.000 Yeah, their intention perhaps.

01:36:30.000 Their mind is integrated.

01:36:32.000 And, you know, we think about that, like, that sounds so crazy.

01:36:36.000 But how much crazier is that than typing things with your thumb?

01:36:40.000 It's not that much crazier than what you can do by FaceTiming someone, like sending video.

01:36:45.000 It's not that crazy.

01:36:46.000 It's not that crazy that your brain could eventually integrate completely with technology.

01:36:53.000 Excuse me.

01:36:54.000 And if you're a cyborg...

01:36:56.000 Then you don't have to worry about all the biological issues that we deal with, all the cancer and fucking pollutants.

01:37:02.000 You don't have to worry about any of that shit.

01:37:03.000 And then you're inside this ship that you're completely connected to, and you can move it in any way you want.

01:37:12.000 Might as well be your body at that point.

01:37:14.000 It might as well be your body, and that's probably the future.

01:37:16.000 That's probably the future here on Earth, even if we don't fuck this up.

01:37:20.000 We talked about China a little bit and some theoretical ways they might be investing in these deeper technologies.

01:37:27.000 I've spoken with people that are intimately involved in deep technology at the National Science Foundations and others.

01:37:34.000 What brought them into this conversation?

01:37:36.000 I realized that we were falling behind on these capabilities because they attended an international consortium.

01:37:45.000 Believe it or not, there were several members from China there, and they very specifically were asking for collaboration in some of these very deep technologies.

01:37:54.000 So, you know, we talked about how gravity manipulation kind of went dark for a while.

01:38:00.000 Well, they call it something slightly different now, and it's something that China and others are actively researching.

01:38:04.000 They call it extended electrodynamics.

01:38:07.000 Same thing with What is the difference between saying gravity and extended electrodynamics?

01:38:13.000 Yeah, so extended electrodynamics essentially is a series of equations that we utilize to understand the electromagnetic spectrum.

01:38:22.000 But there's like a large portion of those equations that we kind of just throw out because we don't utilize them in our normal engineering and scientific work.

01:38:30.000 So they're there, they're part of the equation, but we really don't know how to use them yet.

01:38:34.000 And people are starting to think that by integrating the full understanding of electrodynamics to extended electrodynamics that there are gravitational effects that pop out that we can utilize for technology.

01:38:46.000 Whoa.

01:38:46.000 And they're actively researching that and actively asking for collaboration on that from China.

01:38:52.000 Same thing with cold fusion.

01:38:54.000 There's that lady that took off. 1.00

01:38:55.000 That's what she was working on.

01:38:57.000 Yeah.

01:38:58.000 Tell her story because it's a crazy one.

01:39:00.000 Well, I might not know it as full as you do, but there have been a number of instances within the United States where people have been trying to do work to manipulate gravity through large concentrations of energy, electromagnetic effects, things of that nature.

01:39:16.000 And very recently, I forget the year, I don't know if you have that information, Jamie, but...

01:39:23.000 I think it was 2013 or around that time frame where she had kind of a breakout paper which she was claiming was utilizing some older techniques and she was able to modify the mass of an object, essentially the force of gravity upon it.

01:39:37.000 My understanding is that paper went out and then she essentially disappeared for a number of months, like a year or two.

01:39:46.000 It's like a movie.

01:39:47.000 And last I heard that she was potentially either still missing or there was some evidence that she might have gone to China.

01:39:47.000 Yeah.

01:39:56.000 I thought she died.

01:39:57.000 I thought she went to China and then come back and died. 0.97

01:40:01.000 Did she come back and die?

01:40:02.000 She died.

01:40:03.000 She did die.

01:40:03.000 Yeah.

01:40:06.000 Or did she?

01:40:08.000 Working in the vault somewhere.

01:40:10.000 With masks now, maybe she was the tall Biden. 0.59

01:40:12.000 She died in 21. She got struck by a car in 2014, caused permanent brain damage, resulted in Alzheimer's, and then died in 21. Wow.

01:40:26.000 Was Hillary Clinton driving that car? 0.99

01:40:30.000 I was waiting for him to be like, yes.

01:40:33.000 Well, there's another tech, too.

01:40:36.000 Cold fusion, right?

01:40:38.000 Another 50, 60 topic that was ridiculed and went away.

01:40:41.000 Well, it's also now the talk of certain fusion communities.

01:40:46.000 Instead, they call it low-energy nuclear reactions.

01:40:49.000 Instead of having a large fission or fusion reaction where a lot of heat and radiation comes out, you can do it slowly and incrementally.

01:40:56.000 And it releases a lot of energy, but it doesn't have accompanying radiation or super high levels of random heat that comes out.

01:41:05.000 And that's now something that very serious scientists within the fusion community are studying.

01:41:10.000 And another technology that the China representative at that conference was asking for collaboration on.

01:41:17.000 So, are we investing in this?

01:41:19.000 Is this work that we're doing in a dark lab?

01:41:21.000 Because the open source community doesn't have the resources to be able to invest in this.

01:41:26.000 Well, let me ask you this.

01:41:27.000 So, if you were the government, let's just say they, you know, if you were them, and you wanted to work on some very, very advanced, if you had some knowledge that this stuff was possible, But you couldn't put it in the private sector because then it would get pilfered.

01:41:46.000 It would get infiltrated by Chinese spies, which happens all the time, right? 0.83

01:41:51.000 Wouldn't you hide it away?

01:41:52.000 Wouldn't you squirrel it away somewhere?

01:41:53.000 Like, if you're doing the right thing, if you're being intelligent about it, wouldn't you—if I wouldn't—it essentially can't be public because it is in the interest of national security because it's such a big deal.

01:42:07.000 Like, if they develop a propulsion system— That is completely reliant on gravity.

01:42:14.000 And they figure out, like, they're bending time, just flying places instantaneously.

01:42:20.000 If that's the future of space travel, like, whoever gets there first, that's a big fucking deal.

01:42:25.000 That's a really big deal.

01:42:26.000 And that can't be out there in the public, where China could steal the data, or Russia could steal the data, or Iran could steal the...

01:42:33.000 You can't have anybody get a hold of this.

01:42:35.000 Well, here's the thing.

01:42:36.000 If we're the sole superpower in the world, Then I think it makes sense for us to hold that information back and develop it on our pace because we're not worried about competitors.

01:42:46.000 They're going to catch up to us and potentially leapfrog us.

01:42:49.000 But when we're operating in a world where we have near-peer or peer adversaries such as China that do have the ability to potentially work on the same technology, that's where the model breaks down a bit, right?

01:43:01.000 Because if we're artificially slowing our progress in order to maintain the secrecy, And someone is catching up to us, our only real solution at that point is to activate, you know, the millions of super smart and motivated people in our country to start pushing ourselves ahead, lest we get leapfrogged by countries that can do that through their own private investment, such as China.

01:43:23.000 That's a very, very, very good point.

01:43:25.000 Because wouldn't it be awesome if we were the only superpower?

01:43:28.000 And then we could just like slowly get into this stuff?

01:43:32.000 And maybe that's what's been happening for the past, you know, 20, 30 years after the Cold War.

01:43:36.000 That's where this whole Area 51, S4 shit comes into play. 0.96

01:43:41.000 Because you have to think that if this is happening, this is around the time of the collapse of the Soviet Union, right?

01:43:46.000 So this is like...

01:43:48.000 We had a good 30 years, see what we could do.

01:43:51.000 Relaxed.

01:43:52.000 Have you ever seen Lazar talk about it?

01:43:54.000 Yeah.

01:43:55.000 I've met him once.

01:43:56.000 What did you think?

01:43:58.000 I mean...

01:44:02.000 It's the type of story that, you know, you only have your own beliefs to go off of because, you know...

01:44:07.000 Because it's so crazy.

01:44:08.000 It's so crazy, and it's, you know, it's one of those stories where it's basically impossible to validate it.

01:44:13.000 So, you know, like a lot of the stories I hear, you know, I often don't have all this evidence that I can work from, so I, you know, I throw it in the database in my head, and I look for comparisons, right?

01:44:23.000 Just like the gimbal video and how it maneuvers.

01:44:25.000 Like, well, that's interesting.

01:44:26.000 That kind of lines up.

01:44:28.000 It doesn't totally validate the story, but that's kind of how I approach this topic.

01:44:33.000 I'm not there to immediately judge whether it's true or not true.

01:44:36.000 It's just kind of additional information I can use.

01:44:38.000 Just like that photo I sent you, right?

01:44:40.000 That is just some random lady in her backyard. 1.00

01:44:43.000 But as it turns out, multiple pilots and commercial airliners saw the same thing.

01:44:48.000 So this is the one that the commercial airline saw that was flying at about the same speed as a plane and then took off.

01:44:56.000 It was completely stationary and accelerated to the speed of a plane and then went way faster than that.

01:44:56.000 Yep.

01:45:02.000 And what year was this again?

01:45:05.000 I think it was 22. Wow.

01:45:08.000 So this lady got a picture of it.

01:45:10.000 That's actually a picture from the pilot in the cockpit.

01:45:13.000 That looks like a plane.

01:45:14.000 Yeah.

01:45:15.000 I have the one for the lady too.

01:45:17.000 It looks the same except from the ground, but...

01:45:19.000 The same in it?

01:45:20.000 But doesn't it look like a plane to you?

01:45:23.000 Doesn't it look like a plane, Jamie?

01:45:24.000 You can't tell.

01:45:25.000 I mean...

01:45:27.000 Doesn't it look like the front, like the nose...

01:45:30.000 I mean, I'm looking at Bigfoot through the woods right now.

01:45:33.000 It's one of those things, like, look, you can see his face.

01:45:35.000 That looks like a phone.

01:45:36.000 Multiple light sources.

01:45:38.000 Off the window, maybe, even.

01:45:39.000 Bro, that's a cloud.

01:45:41.000 That lady's tripping. 1.00

01:45:42.000 That lady's tripping. 1.00

01:45:43.000 The thing is, like...

01:45:44.000 Air traffic control didn't have it on their radar.

01:45:46.000 Unless you have a really good phone, like if you have a Samsung that gets, like, that 100x zoom, how much are you going to be able to see?

01:45:55.000 Yeah.

01:45:56.000 That's why, you know, with these cases in New Jersey, what's most compelling for me are these, like, they're not the images themselves, but it's these elected officials, you know, law enforcement officers and others that are, like, very flabbergasted at what they saw, right?

01:46:10.000 They're not just like, well, yeah, there's something, but, I mean, they're pissed off.

01:46:14.000 They're very confident what they were seeing was not normal.

01:46:16.000 They're having a hard time putting words to it and having a proper photo, but...

01:46:21.000 As you can tell now, I think it's not easy to just put your iPhone up in the sky and grab a photo of something that's far away, right?

01:46:28.000 They're not designed for that.

01:46:29.000 They're not designed for that.

01:46:30.000 They don't look that clean.

01:46:31.000 And even, I mean, the best phones.

01:46:35.000 If something's flying through the sky, you're going to get a shitty, blurry image of it.

01:46:39.000 You need some very high-powered equipment to be able to zoom it.

01:46:42.000 And then you need image stabilization to be able to lock it into place.

01:46:45.000 And there's so much like AI on phones that interact with your photo before you even see it.

01:46:51.000 It's hard to even tell what you're looking at.

01:46:53.000 Yeah.

01:46:53.000 Well, that was the thing with the Samsung phones.

01:46:55.000 They got in trouble because they were taking photos of the moon.

01:46:58.000 It wasn't really a photo of the moon.

01:47:00.000 Did you see how that got figured out?

01:47:01.000 No.

01:47:02.000 You can't slip things by the nerds, right?

01:47:05.000 They're too fucking smart.

01:47:06.000 And so these guys were kind of suspicious of whether or not this thing was actually taking a photo and zooming in and getting a photo of the moon.

01:47:14.000 So they put a blurry photo of the moon on a screen and then stepped to the back end of the room and zoomed in on the blurry photo that's on the screen and it filled it in with like high resolution and showed you all the craters.

01:47:29.000 Oh, interesting.

01:47:30.000 Oh, it's bullshit.

01:47:31.000 And so they're trying to say it's AI, but you're not enhancing the image.

01:47:36.000 You're creating it.

01:47:37.000 There's no image there.

01:47:38.000 We know what the image is.

01:47:39.000 The image is a blurry bullshit, and you turn it into a clear photo of the moon.

01:47:43.000 So this is shenanigans.

01:47:45.000 Well, let me tell you, I think, what needs to happen here to be able to better understand this situation.

01:47:51.000 And I think this applies for New Jersey, but it also applies for the much broader kind of UAP conversation as well.

01:47:58.000 So I told you about discovery.

01:47:59.000 I told you about disclosure.

01:48:01.000 You know, I think we can only motivate the government so much by just knocking on the door and asking for information.

01:48:06.000 There needs to be a public, unclassified scientific investigation into this from the perspective of trying to attack it as a scientific anomaly, right?

01:48:15.000 Instead of trying to attack it from a request from the government to release new information.

01:48:20.000 So, I mean, I think this should be a national priority, frankly, right?

01:48:24.000 We need to have very senior people within the White House that care about this topic, that are leading the charge, perhaps at the Office of Science and Technology Policy, somewhere at that level that can lead this conversation and start to employ different organizations in a public, unclassified manner.

01:48:41.000 Such as Department of Energy, such as the FBI and other reporting sources, so that we can be able to gather this information, investigate it, and then form theories about how we can detect it, whether that be through NEXRAD data in the United States, whether that be through weather satellites, other large data sets that we can use to detect these disturbances.

01:49:05.000 And work with the Department of Energy to be able to put forward scientific ideas and then utilize their compute resources to be able to process and churn through all this data and see what pops out on the other side.

01:49:16.000 And I think that we can bring in organizations such as the National Science Foundation or National Science Council.

01:49:23.000 We can bring in National Science Foundation, excuse me.

01:49:26.000 We can bring in offices such as the Office of Strategic Capital and start to actually support the public interest in this conversation by having people that now can access these large datasets and these large compute to be able to run experiments, to bring forward new datasets and technologies, and have this be like a true national effort at a high level.

01:49:47.000 I don't think that the current structure of the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office within the Pentagon serving as a whole of government Point is going to be effective, especially considering that they are technically charged with investigating potential crimes of the Pentagon itself, right?

01:50:03.000 Conflict of interest there.

01:50:04.000 So this needs to be raised to a much higher level.

01:50:06.000 And we have the resources in the United States to truly study this.

01:50:10.000 And I think by doing that, we could then, you know, potentially confirm what is being discovered through this unclassified method with classified censors, but leave it so that it's repeatable And unclassified so that the scientific and academic community can see the results of that and work off of it.

01:50:27.000 Would there be an issue with you would have to provide amnesty to the people that could potentially allied in these programs?

01:50:36.000 So like if you've diverted funding, if you've not been I'm completely honest to Congress about where the funding is going and you've had some sort of a back engineering program or whatever they have.

01:50:50.000 Would there be like criminal liabilities?

01:50:53.000 Would there be issues where a bunch of these people could get prosecuted?

01:50:57.000 Potentially, yeah.

01:50:59.000 So that would, if I was them, I would, you know, I'd keep hiding it.

01:51:03.000 I'd be like, fuck this, I don't want to go to jail.

01:51:05.000 But if you wanted to get full disclosure, it would seem like the only way to effectively make it happen would be to give amnesty to the people that had committed these crimes.

01:51:16.000 So it would become a real dilemma if they were actually crimes.

01:51:20.000 There could be another way to approach it.

01:51:21.000 So one thing, especially at the last hearings we've heard, is that there needs to be stronger whistleblower protection laws, right?

01:51:27.000 Maybe you've heard that.

01:51:30.000 I've updated my thinking on that.

01:51:32.000 I've done a lot of research on whistleblower protection laws in the United States.

01:51:36.000 And it's actually quite interesting.

01:51:38.000 You know, we've had whistleblowers from the executive branch whistleblow to the legislative branch in the past.

01:51:44.000 We had the church committee.

01:51:45.000 We've had thousands of people that have come forward and shared classified information with Congress outside the bounds of the executive order that allows for the creation of classified information.

01:51:56.000 None of them have been ever prosecuted.

01:51:59.000 Now, they may have faced ramifications such as a loss of security clearance.

01:52:03.000 They may have lost their job.

01:52:06.000 Those are real risk.

01:52:07.000 I don't want to downplay them.

01:52:08.000 But the way the system is currently set up, there's an executive order that allows for the creation of classified information.

01:52:16.000 You have the National Security Act that was created in Congress and signed by the president.

01:52:22.000 And these are the two laws that essentially allow for the creation of that type of information.

01:52:26.000 So when a whistleblower goes to Congress and shares that information, the Congress people are just as susceptible and vulnerable, perhaps, to having classified information that they're not privy to, right?

01:52:40.000 So they're in legal jeopardy in a sense.

01:52:42.000 For there to be prosecutions in Congress or from the whistleblowers themselves, the Supreme Court would have to step in and adjudicate that ruling between that executive order and the National Security Act.

01:52:55.000 And that's never happened.

01:52:56.000 They don't want to step in on that legislation.

01:52:59.000 They've had, you know, I don't know how many years, but decades and opportunities to do so, but they choose not to.

01:53:05.000 So we're in this kind of stalemate where by action, by inaction, whistleblowers have this unspoken protection, if you will, to come in and share that information, lest the Supreme Court step in and change their precedent for the past several decades.

01:53:21.000 So there's no reason that any of these potentially susceptible whistleblowers that do fear legal ramifications for those activities couldn't come in to Congress, set up a very quiet meeting, share what they have with these Congress people, and allow them to then run with that information, clearly away from any personal identification from that whistleblower.

01:53:42.000 That's the world we live in now.

01:53:45.000 We don't have whistleblowers doing that, and I think some of the messaging has been inaccurate claiming that we need to have stronger whistleblower protection laws because that's probably not going to happen.

01:53:56.000 I don't think Trump wants stronger whistleblower protections.

01:54:00.000 I don't think he wants to enable people that would be calling out actions of the executive branch to Congress strengthened.

01:54:08.000 That's not necessarily aligned with some of the activities that happened with Colonel Vindman and the Ukraine incident, where they essentially utilize those whistleblower laws to share information with Congress about what they perceived as wrongdoings.

01:54:20.000 So I don't see those laws getting stronger.

01:54:24.000 But we're in this kind of weird false dichotomy right now where people are asking for them and not willing to come forward.

01:54:30.000 But ultimately, I think we just need someone to step up to the plate and come forward to Congress with this information to be able to move the conversation forward on the disclosure side.

01:54:38.000 So what you're saying to me, what it sounds like is like you're almost like advocating for a complete restructuring of how the information gets disclosed.

01:54:48.000 Instead of the way they're doing it now, like someone come in and sort it out.

01:54:52.000 Like you.

01:54:53.000 Why don't you do it?

01:54:54.000 I would, if I was asked.

01:54:56.000 I bet you'd be asked.

01:54:57.000 I hope you'll be asked, I should say.

01:54:59.000 Because I think you're uniquely qualified and obviously very invested in this.

01:55:03.000 You wouldn't want someone who's not invested in this leading this.

01:55:08.000 This is a super complicated, nuanced rabbit hole that you have to go down and you have to be balancing out all the possibilities in your head at the same time while you're trying to get this information out.

01:55:18.000 And whatever you guys experienced, whatever those things were, if that isn't ours, we should probably know.

01:55:30.000 We should probably know.

01:55:32.000 And I don't know what it is.

01:55:34.000 I don't know if it is ours.

01:55:36.000 I get that if it is, you can't tell me.

01:55:39.000 I get that.

01:55:40.000 But if it's not, what's going on?

01:55:42.000 What do you think it is?

01:55:43.000 Like, if you had to guess, some of it's got to be ours, right?

01:55:48.000 In, like, the broader conversation or specifically New Jersey?

01:55:51.000 Well, broader conversation.

01:55:54.000 It's clear to me, based off of all my research and connections and conversations, a couple things.

01:56:00.000 One, people are absolutely seeing things that seem to be exhibiting capabilities beyond the state of the art.

01:56:07.000 Like, boom, end of conversation right there.

01:56:08.000 Like this one that you sent me...

01:56:11.000 That's an interesting one.

01:56:13.000 Yeah, I mean, multiple witnesses seeing capabilities of craft operating in flight regimes that we don't have the technology to do.

01:56:21.000 So that's step one.

01:56:23.000 Step two is I've been a lot like a blind man touching an elephant.

01:56:27.000 You know, I don't know necessarily it's an elephant yet, but I'm feeling a tail, feeling a trunk, feeling the foot.

01:56:34.000 And what that elephant represents is the government's classified work on this topic.

01:56:40.000 I've butted up against it through people that have been actively engaged in programs that are investigating this in ways that are not public.

01:56:49.000 So I know that there is something there behind the scenes.

01:56:52.000 I don't know how deep it goes.

01:56:53.000 I don't know specifically the type of, like, the total amount of work that's being done.

01:56:57.000 But it's very clear to me that there are boundaries that I've touched, others have touched, that represent that work.

01:57:05.000 So, it would make sense.

01:57:06.000 It would be a line that the government would be very interested in this technology.

01:57:10.000 And I think it's, you know, I think it's time that we've put the proper protocols and processes in place so that the public can discover this information.

01:57:19.000 We have the technology, Joe.

01:57:21.000 Like, it's not that we don't have the technology.

01:57:24.000 I mean, I'm personally working on space situational awareness sensors that we can put in space in order to maintain custody of these objects.

01:57:31.000 Now, if no one has ever gone full disclosure, no president, how much do you think they tell them?

01:57:39.000 And what, if anything, could you even imagine would be a valid reason for not telling people?

01:57:46.000 I think that there was probably a presidential order at some point in the past that is likely still in effect.

01:57:54.000 And, you know, unless another president is fully read in and countermands that order, then it's business as usual.

01:58:03.000 And perhaps that's one of the reasons they don't tell presidents a lot of information on this is because they want to maintain that effect of authority, keep it in play, so that another president doesn't countermand it.

01:58:14.000 Yeah, because none of them spill the beans.

01:58:17.000 None of them.

01:58:17.000 None of them feel obligated to tell the American public.

01:58:22.000 You know, I think...

01:58:24.000 I can see both ways, though.

01:58:28.000 That's the problem.

01:58:30.000 I can see it from a point of a national security thing.

01:58:33.000 If they're back engineering these things and trying to, if there's a race, it's essentially no different than if we engineered ourself.

01:58:42.000 At the end, someone's making it.

01:58:44.000 And we might have integrated some of these capabilities into some of our technology that we might look out the window and see, right?

01:58:51.000 But deep in the bowels of the system, you know, there might be capabilities that were discovered or motivated through the investigation of these objects, right?

01:58:59.000 So I could see why they're...

01:59:00.000 I agree with you 100%, right?

01:59:02.000 And I don't believe that 100% of the information should come out.

01:59:05.000 You know, I mean, I've worked in secured information, I've worked in the military, I understand the needs for these capabilities, but the core information, that we're not alone in the universe, potentially, there's no government on Earth that has a right to hold that information.

01:59:20.000 Agreed.

01:59:21.000 I think everybody agrees to that.

01:59:22.000 There's no reason why they should.

01:59:25.000 That's human information.

01:59:28.000 If we're really confronted by an absolute fact that we're not alone, it changes everything.

01:59:35.000 We kind of know it, but we're not sure, and we haven't seen it.

01:59:39.000 And if you have seen it, you don't know what you saw.

01:59:41.000 And what is that?

01:59:43.000 Think about how that would motivate us as a populace, right?

01:59:46.000 To have this care on a stick out to say, here's how we access the rest of the galaxy.

01:59:51.000 Imagine what that would do to our technological innovation. 0.61

01:59:55.000 How many millions of kids right now would go to school in order to be engineers and scientists to be able to work on this?

02:00:02.000 It would completely change the world.

02:00:04.000 Maybe we'd have, you know, less Facebook apps and things of that nature and AI wrappers, but we would be working on deep, important technology that's going to unlock the rest of the universe to us.

02:00:15.000 Or we'd give in to our alien overlords. 0.94

02:00:18.000 Because they're coming and they're going to be super powerful.

02:00:20.000 And every civilization that we've ever encountered that was primitive always had a terrible go of it once we showed up.

02:00:26.000 Well, maybe we'd be better prepared.

02:00:28.000 Well, I would hope they wouldn't be us, that they would be past what...

02:00:32.000 Look, human beings today, especially if you follow like Steven Pinker's work where you look at crime and violence throughout history, human beings today live in the safest environment that's ever existed for people, relatively overall, despite all of our problems.

02:00:46.000 It's trending in a way of more peace.

02:00:50.000 But if you think about No, I mean, no violence at all.

02:00:55.000 None.

02:00:56.000 Ever.

02:00:57.000 Just, like, a complete shut-off of everything.

02:01:03.000 That's what you would have to be if you were a civilization that's eclipsing all the problems that we have here on Earth, that's bypassing all the war, all the bullshit, the destroying the environment, the inequality and the allocation of resources and the control of the populace.

02:01:20.000 That's all out the window with this super, super sophisticated society.

02:01:26.000 I think that is – that should motivate us like probably more than anything to get our shit together, to realize like this is possible.

02:01:34.000 Like this is the trajectory that these intelligent species go through on their road to evolution, their road to enlightenment.

02:01:42.000 And they bypass this terrible stage that we're at right now where we're worried that these drones are searching for nuclear bombs because someone might decide to do some sort of a terrorist thing.

02:01:52.000 Because, you know, there's wars going on over the...

02:01:55.000 If we could just know that you can get past that.

02:02:00.000 It's like we're in a phase where our technological development is outpacing our social and moral development.

02:02:07.000 Or in our biological development.

02:02:09.000 Just like you can only think of a number of so many things.

02:02:13.000 You can't think of all the stars.

02:02:14.000 I don't think our biology can keep up with the input of all this technology.

02:02:19.000 I think we're getting numb.

02:02:21.000 We're getting weirdly numb to it.

02:02:24.000 And I think it's just so...

02:02:26.000 It's so inescapable in today's society that if you want to be integrated into today's society, you have to have one of those goddamn phones.

02:02:33.000 You have to be connected.

02:02:35.000 Like, we're moving in this very particular direction, and it seems like if we get through this chaos, what these things that we're visiting, that are visiting us, all of the things that people describe, Of telekinetic communication, telepathic communication, the ability to explain things to them in a way that clarifies what they're here for and why they're here.

02:03:02.000 That's probably what we would do.

02:03:04.000 It sounds exactly like what we would do if we could get past all the problems of being a human being in 2024 and all the violence and chaos.

02:03:13.000 All the lying and propaganda.

02:03:15.000 If we got past that, that's what we'd become.

02:03:17.000 We'd become some star-faring creature that's completely enlightened and shows up and is just checking on the apes to make sure they don't blow themselves up.

02:03:26.000 It must be a hell of a time to come watch us, right?

02:03:28.000 Right.

02:03:29.000 Think about technology and technology evolution.

02:03:32.000 It's always so much faster than biological evolution.

02:03:35.000 How far ahead are they?

02:03:38.000 If they're a million years, what does that even look like?

02:03:41.000 What does that look like?

02:03:43.000 Do you hit a wall?

02:03:44.000 Like, do they just quote-unquote know everything, right?

02:03:47.000 And then maybe that's what allows their moral compass and their biology to catch up?

02:03:47.000 Right.

02:03:52.000 Or maybe they're the robot custodians of the God-creating intelligent beings.

02:03:57.000 And that all they're doing is sent for AI. AI created them.

02:04:01.000 And sent them out into the universe so that when the apes get to the point where they start making nuclear weapons and bombs and reactors and cold fusion and gravity, you like, just make sure they get through this, okay, boom! 0.99

02:04:13.000 And then whatever the fuck quantum computing connected to AI becomes, that's what, it's like we're farming that.

02:04:20.000 That's something I thought about, you know, when you talk about biological creatures in these crafts, you know, it could be that those are not things that traveled here from far away and are just kind of hanging out, right?

02:04:32.000 Like, that might have just been...

02:04:33.000 They're here all the time.

02:04:34.000 They might have created these objects, even the biological substrates, if you will, here, using local materials and put them together because perhaps biological creatures are more...

02:04:48.000 Appropriate for the type of interactions they need to do instead of a fixed machine, right?

02:04:52.000 Oh, wow.

02:04:53.000 Yeah, that completely makes sense, right?

02:04:55.000 Like, if you can create life, which they're very close to being able to create fake artificial life, like single cell forms, haven't they created, like, aren't they creating artificial embryos?

02:05:12.000 I believe they have started like animal embryos.

02:05:15.000 And that's just from scratch.

02:05:16.000 I mean, they could beam over, you know, DNA sequences and fabricate them here.

02:05:20.000 Yeah, but that seems like totally doable.

02:05:23.000 And that would make sense that they could breathe our air, too.

02:05:25.000 You just engineer it so that whatever this creature is, it does your bidding.

02:05:30.000 Just they're the custodians there.

02:05:32.000 There's they just hang around them.

02:05:33.000 They're not even like advanced aliens Synthetic human embryos created in groundbreaking advance This is so crazy.

02:05:41.000 These are human.

02:05:42.000 I didn't think they were human Synthetic human embryos using stem cells and a groundbreaking advance that sidesteps the need for eggs or sperm.

02:05:49.000 Oh, it's over.

02:05:50.000 We're fucked.

02:05:51.000 Yes We're so fucked.

02:05:53.000 I'm so anxious It's so scary, man.

02:05:58.000 It's so scary.

02:05:59.000 So if we can do that now, something that's a million years more advanced, it would just like probably send some ball of energy down.

02:06:06.000 That energy would create a spaceship and the beings inside of it.

02:06:10.000 Like they're fucking sending someone a picture through a cell phone.

02:06:14.000 It'd be that simple.

02:06:16.000 And that's probably, I mean, it's probably what it is.

02:06:18.000 They're probably the custodians.

02:06:20.000 You know, we think of them as like advanced alien beings.

02:06:22.000 It's probably not real.

02:06:24.000 Probably advanced alien beings is AI, and it's the most advanced, because it just goes from nothing to God.

02:06:30.000 And maybe it needs custodians.

02:06:33.000 The only thing that would change my mind on that is if they truly have some kind of faster and light travel that allowed them to transport, you know, physical objects from extreme distances to nearby.

02:06:47.000 Because then the cost of sending that information is irrelevant because they can just send things over.

02:06:52.000 So I could see both sides of it, but it's something interesting to think about.

02:06:57.000 Imagine the science and technology fields that a full understanding of this conversation would open up.

02:07:03.000 I mean, it would open up fields of knowledge that we can only imagine right now.

02:07:06.000 We only see in sci-fi movies.

02:07:08.000 Even if we don't understand how they're doing it, if proven to be true.

02:07:08.000 Right.

02:07:13.000 Everybody has to stop and go, okay, what's going on here?

02:07:16.000 Like, how is that thing moving that quickly?

02:07:18.000 Like, where's it coming from?

02:07:19.000 How did it come from 2,000 light years away?

02:07:21.000 Like, how is it even possible?

02:07:22.000 And then they have to figure it out.

02:07:24.000 And how?

02:07:25.000 I don't know.

02:07:26.000 I mean, what is your take on the crashes?

02:07:29.000 Because that to me is always like, God, if you're so advanced, you can come here from another galaxy, why you fuckers keep crashing?

02:07:35.000 And then there's, I'm sure you're aware of Diana Pasolka and her stuff.

02:07:40.000 They call them donations.

02:07:42.000 Like the people that research these things, whether or not that's even real, but the people that, I haven't seen it, the people that say they go there and find these fragments on the ground, they refer to it as donations.

02:07:57.000 One thing I like to think about is, you know, their planet, you know, we're making a lot of assumptions here, but their planet might be designed a different way, right?

02:08:06.000 Like their atmosphere might have significantly less oxygen.

02:08:09.000 It could be much thicker.

02:08:11.000 And so they might have had, they might have bypassed this whole period where they had rocket propulsions and gas shooting out the back.

02:08:19.000 And so they, they might have taken them longer to get the space, but maybe they did so with a much more developed technology.

02:08:26.000 So then they apply that technology, they come over here, and now they're in a regime that perhaps they were unexpecting.

02:08:33.000 There's gravity disturbances, there's more oxygen in the air, there's different things that perhaps they either weren't expecting or just was different than their home environment.

02:08:44.000 And then, oh, by the way, there's these stupid apes that are shining stuff at us that are launching nuclear weapons and actually knocking us out of the sky. 0.99

02:08:52.000 There's electromagnetic interference.

02:08:53.000 So I could see a logic there that shows that we make the assumption that if they're here, they're gods, right?

02:08:59.000 They can do anything.

02:09:01.000 Maybe that's not the right way to think about it.

02:09:03.000 Well, also maybe think about the sheer numbers.

02:09:07.000 So if we think that these things are real, so let's imagine they're actually coming from another planet.

02:09:12.000 So if they are coming from another planet and they're capable of coming here, that means other planets are capable of sustaining intelligent life that can be starfarers.

02:09:21.000 So if that's possible here and there, it's probably all over the place.

02:09:26.000 So if it's all over the place, Who knows how many numbers of things you're dealing with and how far advanced they are?

02:09:33.000 And like you said, like what technology did they develop?

02:09:37.000 We think – we always think technology is like completely linear and we think that like what we did and the way we did it is the only way it can be done.

02:09:45.000 But the best evidence that's not true is Egypt.

02:09:48.000 The best evidence that that's not true exists.

02:09:50.000 You can go touch it with your hand.

02:09:52.000 You can see photographs of it online.

02:09:54.000 We don't know what the fuck they did.

02:09:55.000 And whatever they did was super advanced for 4,500 years ago.

02:10:01.000 We don't know what machines they used.

02:10:03.000 We don't know how they cut it.

02:10:05.000 We don't know how they measured it.

02:10:06.000 We don't know shit how they figured out to put it north, south, east, and west almost perfectly.

02:10:11.000 No one knows.

02:10:12.000 No one understands how they got the stones there.

02:10:13.000 It's all speculation and guesswork.

02:10:16.000 But whatever it is, it's insanely impressive and a different sort of way of implementing human ingenuity and engineering and thought into construction.

02:10:27.000 It's very different than anything we've done.

02:10:30.000 So it's a clear path.

02:10:32.000 Like they had an enormous amount of resources in that area and they had sustained a civilization there for thousands and thousands of years to the point there.

02:10:40.000 They had developed methods and technologies that we don't understand today.

02:10:45.000 Because they're not here anymore.

02:10:47.000 I love the work that Graham Hancock has been doing.

02:10:50.000 And I see it as almost like a parallel conversation than the one we're having.

02:10:53.000 I mean, there's something here.

02:10:55.000 A lot of people can go out and look at it.

02:10:56.000 I mean, sure, I've never been in the pyramids, but, you know, the information is there if you're willing to go look at it.

02:11:02.000 And there's this massive stigma within the academic community to say, no, no, that's not right.

02:11:07.000 Because they're in this zero-sum game.

02:11:09.000 They're all trying to win the next contract and grant, and they just want to stay right within the line of what's acceptable.

02:11:16.000 And he's bringing forward very interesting points about a time period that I think we all understand now is a lot less understood than we thought.

02:11:24.000 There's also parallel civilizations that coexisted with European civilizations that are very similar to what we know about in history that were like the Mayans.

02:11:34.000 Like, what the fuck was going on in Mexico?

02:11:34.000 For instance.

02:11:37.000 Like, how come...

02:11:38.000 Because we know when that was...

02:11:40.000 Like, when Cortez visited...

02:11:42.000 Was it Cortez or Cabeza de Vaca?

02:11:45.000 Who visited the Mayans and wrote about it?

02:11:47.000 It might have been Cabeza de Vaca.

02:11:50.000 I think it's in that book, A Strange New Land.

02:11:54.000 But when they first encountered these people, before they gave them diseases, they had this insane civilization with gold headdresses and ornate dressing, and everybody's like, what is this?

02:12:05.000 There's insane stone structures and human sacrifice.

02:12:11.000 What the fuck are you guys doing here?

02:12:13.000 Like this is a totally, completely different type of civilization.

02:12:17.000 While in Europe they're wearing fucking wigs and they're trotting around and like all coexisting.

02:12:22.000 So we know that human beings can go in very different directions in terms of the way their society develops and the technologies they implement.

02:12:32.000 Why wouldn't we think that that would be the case with everything in the known universe?

02:12:36.000 Like everything in the known universe.

02:12:37.000 There's probably an infinite number of paths that intelligent creatures can go to creating technology.

02:12:44.000 And like you were saying, some of them might take like way longer than our path of implementing combustion engines and electronics.

02:12:53.000 They might be using frequencies.

02:12:55.000 They might be using some sort of different way of generating energy that we don't understand.

02:13:01.000 Maybe their planet has super strong electromagnetic fields, right?

02:13:04.000 And so they can leverage that in a way we can't.

02:13:06.000 Well, the thing Lazar was talking about was that this planet had a stable version of this element 115. But I think, I mean, what does that even mean?

02:13:14.000 What is element 115?

02:13:16.000 If there's 114, element 115 is whatever the fuck you find next, right?

02:13:19.000 If you don't know what it is.

02:13:21.000 And it was all theoretical until the Large Hadron Collider, they developed a version of it for, you know, a millisecond so they know that it's a real thing.

02:13:32.000 He's saying they have a stable version.

02:13:33.000 I'm like, well, if you live in a completely different solar system and a completely different planet with completely different...

02:13:38.000 There's planets out there that are made entirely of diamonds.

02:13:41.000 Did you see that one?

02:13:42.000 They found a giant diamond in the sky.

02:13:42.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:13:45.000 Get a picture of that, please.

02:13:46.000 What their technology looks like.

02:13:47.000 Yeah, what the fuck?

02:13:48.000 Like, I think that there's probably an infinite number of ways intelligent life evolves, and some of it probably doesn't look anything like us.

02:13:57.000 Like, octopi.

02:13:59.000 Like, octopuses, they have no need, because they're in the ocean, and there's no houses in the ocean, so they have no need to, like, build things, but they're super smart, man.

02:14:06.000 They open up jars.

02:14:07.000 They figure out a way to get out of a fish tank, walk across the floor, climb into the next fish tank, kill a fish, eat it.

02:14:14.000 Climb back and go back in their tank.

02:14:16.000 That's why I don't own a squid or an octopus.

02:14:19.000 Because if I saw that in the middle of the night, it would freak me the fuck out.

02:14:22.000 They're really smart, man.

02:14:23.000 They're weirdly smart.

02:14:24.000 And we don't even know why or how.

02:14:27.000 They have eyes that separated.

02:14:32.000 Whatever an eye was developed.

02:14:34.000 An eye was developed for them and an eye was developed for us.

02:14:37.000 And we branched off from the evolutionary chain who knows how many hundreds of millions of years ago.

02:14:44.000 I learned a pretty interesting little tidbit here.

02:14:47.000 You know, I mean, the octopus, apparently its DNA is not like anything else on this planet, but apparently the Hawaiians have an ancient tradition that octopus basically came from the sky.

02:14:58.000 Isn't that interesting?

02:15:00.000 That is interesting, but, you know, with panspermia, they do think that it's possible that planets, when they get hit by asteroids, a big chunk of it can fly off and the DNA from that rock can enter into this new environment.

02:15:16.000 And with some things, like spores, spores survive in a vacuum.

02:15:20.000 That's one of the thoughts about psilocybin mushrooms, that perhaps they arrived here from somewhere else on a rock, which is a real possibility.

02:15:29.000 That's where most of the iridium that they find when they do those big digs and they find that layer of iridium that's near where there's an asteroid impact.

02:15:37.000 That's all just shit that came from space.

02:15:40.000 Yeah.

02:15:41.000 I mean, if you look back at, like, the evolution of humans to monkeys to, you know, fish and then, you know, multicellular organisms and the introduction of the mitochondria, smaller, simple, single-cell organisms, there's a very linear path of evolution.

02:15:57.000 And very early on, there's a massive jump where we went from extremely simple bits and pieces to essentially this big jump in complexity for these small systems.

02:16:12.000 And there's a theory out there that that jump occurred due to seeding from elsewhere, right?

02:16:20.000 That perhaps the whole path is linear.

02:16:23.000 And it occurred over time, perhaps, and they think the time period is like several billion years, right, for the evolution from these components to get to essentially a single-celled organism, that these components evolved independently in space, perhaps feeding off a gamma radiation or other gamma energy or other energies that are out in space.

02:16:46.000 And so that evolutionary process did take billions of years.

02:16:49.000 It just didn't occur on a particular planet.

02:16:51.000 And then over time, as meteorites hit the Earth, then we see this uptake in complexity because of the arrival and then the further evolution of the biological chain that led to us.

02:17:03.000 And, you know, it's pretty interesting, kind of tied to that theory, is that, you know, the Big Bang happened, and things, you know, gradually cooled down.

02:17:11.000 I mean, there was a point where, and I think the number is like 500,000 years, where the universe was essentially room temperature.

02:17:19.000 Like, everywhere in the universe had like a distribution of temperature that was equivalent to what we're sitting in right now before it continued to cool off and get weird.

02:17:19.000 Right?

02:17:28.000 So there could have been these opportunities in the universal process that allowed for the development of lifelike components that eventually went out to seed the universe, which would be a really interesting concept because it would lead us to believe that this probably happened in multiple places and not just here.

02:17:45.000 That is a fascinating idea that it's like seeds.

02:17:48.000 And, I mean, that's the function that these asteroids have when...

02:17:53.000 That's what happens when they land and they spread whatever's on them.

02:17:57.000 You could imagine, like, that's the function of asteroids slamming into planets, knocking chunks off, and flying that stuff into space.

02:18:05.000 That's why we have water here, you know?

02:18:07.000 I mean, we didn't just organically, like, create water on this planet.

02:18:11.000 It came from asteroids and other debris.

02:18:13.000 It's a comet, right?

02:18:14.000 A lot of comets are just made out of just ice, right?

02:18:18.000 Yeah.

02:18:19.000 Which is fucking nuts.

02:18:21.000 There's a chunk of ice bigger than Manhattan flying through the sky.

02:18:25.000 Or a diamond.

02:18:27.000 And leaving trails.

02:18:28.000 And some of them, they can mine.

02:18:30.000 That's going to be really fascinating once they figure out how to do that.

02:18:33.000 Land on an asteroid and mine it.

02:18:36.000 Yeah.

02:18:36.000 Trillion dollar industry.

02:18:37.000 That was a Bruce Willis movie, right?

02:18:39.000 Well, I think they were trying to blow one up.

02:18:39.000 Wasn't it?

02:18:41.000 I think it was.

02:18:42.000 It was a Bruce Willis movie.

02:18:43.000 They said miners there.

02:18:44.000 Armageddon?

02:18:45.000 Alright, they weren't mining, right?

02:18:45.000 Yeah.

02:18:46.000 They trained miners how to be astronauts because that was clearly the easiest choice instead of training astronauts to mine.

02:18:52.000 Well, we were getting to that.

02:18:54.000 The James Webb Telescope secret squirrel meeting.

02:18:58.000 Did you find anything on that?

02:19:00.000 I don't know what specifically I was supposed to be looking for.

02:19:00.000 Nothing?

02:19:04.000 Okay, let's try it.

02:19:07.000 Let's say James Webb Telescope top secret meeting urgent discovery.

02:19:15.000 I've had everything, but I have...

02:19:18.000 Give me the bullshit.

02:19:19.000 Give me the stuff that's shady.

02:19:20.000 There was a congressman that had a classified meeting about the James Webb.

02:19:24.000 It's like they have many discoveries.

02:19:26.000 I don't know.

02:19:27.000 Oh, no, no, no.

02:19:28.000 Not discovery.

02:19:30.000 Top secret.

02:19:31.000 Classified.

02:19:33.000 Classified meeting discovery.

02:19:37.000 Come on, Jamie.

02:19:38.000 Indulge me.

02:19:39.000 You know, we don't usually put classified stuff out there.

02:19:42.000 Yeah, do it.

02:19:43.000 Put it out there.

02:19:44.000 NASA denies existence of classified briefings on James.

02:19:47.000 This was two months ago.

02:19:48.000 Oh, so they definitely happened.

02:19:50.000 It definitely happened if they denied it.

02:19:53.000 It's probably bullshit.

02:19:55.000 It's probably a fun thing.

02:19:58.000 NASA denies it.

02:19:59.000 In recent weeks, rumors spread rapidly on social media, I think I was involved in that, suggesting that NASA's James Webb Telescope had made an extraordinary discovery, potentially alien life, and the members of Congress had been briefed about it.

02:20:11.000 The rumors intensified after U.S. Representative Andre Carson, who had previously chaired a congressional hearing on unidentified aerial phenomena, Decline to answer a question about classified briefings when asked by, I don't know who that is, run by journalist Matt Laszlo on X. He's been doing good work on the UAP topic.

02:20:32.000 Matt Laszlo?

02:20:33.000 Yeah.

02:20:34.000 Shout out to Matt.

02:20:36.000 Speculation prompted a Freedom of Information Act request filled by the Black Bolt on September 22nd, 2024, seeking any records classified or unclassified about James Webb Space Telescope briefings provided to Congress, particularly related to the telescope's findings.

02:20:52.000 The request aimed to clarify whether any congressional briefings had been held about significant discoveries Made by the telescope, which has been in operation since 2021. So the response was, a copy of records, which includes videos,

02:21:08.000 photos, electronic or otherwise, of all briefings about James Webb's telescope and program made for Congress, I ask that you include all classified and unclassified briefings on the James Webb telescope program or briefings on findings made by that program.

02:21:25.000 It says those searches located no records responsive to your request.

02:21:32.000 Neither confirm nor deny.

02:21:35.000 I mean, if I was hiding the fact we're going to get hit by an asteroid, that's how I would do it.

02:21:41.000 I wouldn't tell people.

02:21:43.000 I wouldn't respond to this.

02:21:45.000 What freedom of information?

02:21:47.000 What are you going to put me in jail?

02:21:48.000 We're going to be dead in 16 months.

02:21:50.000 There's a planet heading our way.

02:21:54.000 Planets get hit by other planets sometimes.

02:21:56.000 Or maybe they detected signs of life around an exoplanet.

02:22:00.000 That's the fun one.

02:22:01.000 The fun one is signs of life.

02:22:03.000 The fun one is an actual spaceship.

02:22:05.000 The fun one is something that they can't explain that changes everything that we hold dear and believe to be true.

02:22:16.000 Whatever that means.

02:22:18.000 You know, we've gone down the rabbit hole with some fun speculative conversation about what's out in space, but I just want to make the point that this is still a solvable problem here on planet Earth, right?

02:22:29.000 We can't let the fun speculation of what's going on out in the universe stop these kind of stodgy academics and others to say, well, this is not relevant to me.

02:22:40.000 This is not practical.

02:22:41.000 There's nothing here, right?

02:22:42.000 We need an intense focus on this within our government at the highest levels Not just within an organization with the Pentagon.

02:22:49.000 And we need to engage our scientific and academic community and remove the stigma at the highest levels.

02:22:55.000 I'm hoping Trump will do that.

02:22:56.000 You think the bottleneck has been the security clearance of it all or the bottleneck has been the lack of transparency?

02:23:06.000 If people just knew, that would be the end of it.

02:23:09.000 I think so.

02:23:10.000 I think that would absolutely.

02:23:12.000 And, of course, by people knowing, they're going to want to have some evidence that they can use to do research on.

02:23:18.000 But even if the president just came out the other day or, you know, in the next week or in a few months and said, we don't know what they are.

02:23:26.000 We have moderate to high confidence that they don't originate through any known adversary or nation on Earth.

02:23:33.000 Help us figure this out.

02:23:36.000 But Biden and Harris have been like the last managers at Blockbuster Video.

02:23:41.000 You know what I mean?

02:23:42.000 They knew the fucking gig was up.

02:23:44.000 Like, don't even show up.

02:23:46.000 It's over.

02:23:47.000 The building's going under.

02:23:49.000 The lease is done in two weeks.

02:23:51.000 They're not even at work.

02:23:51.000 Fuck this.

02:23:53.000 I understand it's a policy of the Biden administration to downplay this topic at the highest levels.

02:23:58.000 You understand that this is like a mandate?

02:24:00.000 This is something...

02:24:01.000 I don't know if I want to use the word mandate, but their policy...

02:24:04.000 This is their instructions?

02:24:05.000 Yeah.

02:24:07.000 So I think with the folks that are friendly to this topic coming in with the Trump administration open up a very key opportunity window for us to move this conversation forward.

02:24:19.000 When you look at it from their perspective, what would rationalize...

02:24:25.000 Trying to downplay this.

02:24:27.000 If you look at it from their perspective, what could possibly be the case where they think it would be good to propagandize or sway people in that direction?

02:24:40.000 To stop our adversaries being aware of the reality situation and from investing into it.

02:24:45.000 And proceeding past, because again, we're artificially constraining ourselves, right?

02:24:51.000 Because we're trying to keep it a secret.

02:24:53.000 So now that game is changing, right?

02:24:57.000 That game is changing because it appears that China is making investments and has a large amount of interest in this topic.

02:25:06.000 And we're at a point now where if we continue to do that, we're going to simply fall behind.

02:25:10.000 And I think there's been this delay within the Biden administration to just kind of ignore that problem for whatever problem is more relevant.

02:25:20.000 He's probably more worried about his son and the legal issues he's in than this massive issue.

02:25:26.000 I don't think he's running anything.

02:25:29.000 I really do think he's the last manager of Blockbuster right now.

02:25:33.000 That's what I think.

02:25:35.000 She's not even showing up for it.

02:25:36.000 I never see her anywhere anymore.

02:25:37.000 It's unfortunate.

02:25:39.000 They checked out.

02:25:39.000 It's over.

02:25:40.000 But the problem with that is, okay, then who?

02:25:44.000 Who's running it?

02:25:46.000 And why are you holding back that stuff?

02:25:50.000 Whoever's been running it, I think.

02:25:51.000 Can you imagine how President Trump would be remembered across history if he moved this conversation forward?

02:25:59.000 Yeah, if we just knew what they know.

02:26:03.000 You don't have to tell us what's possible, what it can do, what you've engineered from it.

02:26:09.000 Tell us something's going on.

02:26:12.000 What is that thing?

02:26:13.000 What's that thing that's going on?

02:26:16.000 Is that thing ours?

02:26:17.000 If it is, that's fucking crazy.

02:26:19.000 You guys have been holding back some insane shit.

02:26:21.000 And if it's not ours, then we need to know.

02:26:24.000 And I think that would change the human conversation.

02:26:28.000 I mean, Ronald Reagan talked about that in the United Nations speech in, like, was it the 1980s?

02:26:36.000 Do you remember that speech?

02:26:37.000 Well, I don't remember it, but I remember learning about it.

02:26:40.000 He talked about how united we would all be if the threat of an alien invasion was happening on Earth, how quickly we would put aside our differences.

02:26:48.000 Well, that's why we have the red phone with Russia, right? 0.96

02:26:51.000 Is it really red?

02:26:53.000 Yeah, it used to be.

02:26:54.000 I'm sure it's, you know, a text message now.

02:26:56.000 I wonder if they even have a phone anymore.

02:26:58.000 And they do with China as well now, although it's less public.

02:26:58.000 Well, they do.

02:27:01.000 But is it like a phone phone?

02:27:02.000 Like, hello?

02:27:03.000 I honestly don't know the structure of it.

02:27:05.000 It used to be, but it was there in order to...

02:27:08.000 Let's hear this.

02:27:14.000 All the members of humanity.

02:27:17.000 Perhaps we need some outside universal threat to make us recognize this common bound.

02:27:24.000 I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world.

02:27:36.000 And yet, I ask you, is not an alien force already among us?

02:27:41.000 What could be more alien to the universal aspirations of our peoples than war and the threat of war?

02:27:50.000 Two centuries ago in a hall much smaller than this one, In Philadelphia, Americans met to draft...

02:27:58.000 Hell of a speech.

02:28:01.000 Yeah.

02:28:04.000 Maybe it's time for another one.

02:28:07.000 Yeah.

02:28:08.000 If they know, tell us.

02:28:10.000 It'd be good.

02:28:12.000 It'd be good if you let us know.

02:28:16.000 And if we did have disclosure, what can you imagine?

02:28:20.000 Let's imagine that you get into this position and it's your job to get this information out to the public.

02:28:27.000 What kind of resistance do you think you're going to face?

02:28:29.000 Because it seems like if there's been deals that have been done with defense contractors, that's how you kind of have to have work on it, right?

02:28:39.000 Who else is going to know what to do?

02:28:42.000 You kind of have to get contractors on this thing.

02:28:45.000 You're going to have to get the best and the brightest.

02:28:47.000 You've got a fucking UFO. I figured this out.

02:28:50.000 We haven't had support from the top in the past, right?

02:28:54.000 So, were I in such a position, you would have to have me working closely with the White House, and you would have to have the White House's buy-in on this.

02:29:03.000 I think that's the only way.

02:29:05.000 And from the top of the executive branch, you use that position of influence, you pass additional, you know, presidential memorandums and executive orders.

02:29:14.000 That countermand previous memorandums that may have existed in the past in order to legally compel these organizations from the chief executive to be able to move the conversation forward, to require them to bring this information out, to require them to collaborate.

02:29:31.000 And it doesn't have to be a one-person job.

02:29:33.000 You bring in some of the brightest people in our country in order to evaluate this data, come to a conclusion, and then share those conclusions with the American people.

02:29:42.000 Okay, let's imagine you get this position and you go through this search and you find out that this is all our technology and that we can't allow China or Russia to know that we're capable of using these kind of technologies that are unheard of right now.

02:30:00.000 So we have to keep it as a national security secret.

02:30:02.000 What do you do about that?

02:30:04.000 Something like that.

02:30:05.000 I mean, ultimately, if the answer is that there is nothing unusual going on here, then we have to respect that, right?

02:30:11.000 But it is very unusual, you know, if you've got these things that are moving the way these things are moving and they're ours.

02:30:16.000 Yeah, and I don't think that's the case here, you know, for all the reasons that we've discussed today.

02:30:20.000 So, you know, ultimately, it's about finding the truth, right?

02:30:25.000 It's not about finding your way to a conclusion that you already support.

02:30:29.000 Okay.

02:30:33.000 I wonder what the world would be like if it was fully accepted, if disclosure was fully accepted.

02:30:40.000 I wonder what the world would be like if, like, Trump gets into office.

02:30:43.000 Trump has a press conference.

02:30:45.000 He brings you up.

02:30:46.000 You explain what we know.

02:30:47.000 This is over the last 16 months.

02:30:49.000 Our team has discovered this, that, and that.

02:30:51.000 We've personally investigated this, that, and the other.

02:30:55.000 Where are the crashed ones?

02:30:56.000 Where the fuck are you guys hiding those?

02:30:58.000 Because if that's real, that's the end.

02:31:00.000 All you have to do is bring the president to the crash site, and you bring him into the warehouse, and you show him this thing, and you walk around it, and you go, what the fuck is this?

02:31:10.000 What the fuck is this?

02:31:14.000 That would be the end.

02:31:15.000 All you'd have to do is just get a camera crew, go with them, Trump walking around a spaceship.

02:31:21.000 Okay.

02:31:22.000 We've been visited.

02:31:23.000 Now we know.

02:31:26.000 By whatever.

02:31:27.000 By whoever.

02:31:28.000 Maybe it's not even a visitor.

02:31:29.000 Maybe it's always been here.

02:31:30.000 Maybe it lives in the ocean.

02:31:31.000 Maybe it's been monitoring us from there.

02:31:34.000 And its sole purpose is, like I said before, custodian.

02:31:38.000 To make sure we don't blow ourselves up.

02:31:40.000 But either way, we should probably know that.

02:31:41.000 We should probably know there's fucking bases in the ocean.

02:31:44.000 You know, because a lot of them, they've seen their transmedium.

02:31:47.000 They move through the air and then they go into the water and they don't even make a splash.

02:31:51.000 It's like, okay, what is that?

02:31:53.000 We would have for the first time, I think, a clear direction of where we need to go as a society.

02:31:59.000 It would revamp our academic processes, our fields of study, our beliefs in, you know, religious structures.

02:32:08.000 I don't think they would nullify it.

02:32:09.000 I think they would probably amplify it.

02:32:12.000 And it would, I think, have the equivalent impact of a positive nuclear bomb on our economy.

02:32:18.000 We would have certainty in what direction to invest in and what technologies to pursue.

02:32:24.000 And I think that by having that direction, that would, again, nuclear bomb level increase in capabilities where we would be able to, you know, be working on propulsion and energy systems and material systems that would advance us well beyond where we are today.

02:32:40.000 It would leapfrog us.

02:32:41.000 And if we sit on our hands, we don't do that, we're going to find our adversaries in a position to do that instead, which would completely rewrite the geopolitical environment.

02:32:52.000 If we reach technological proficiency in all this AI stuff and quantum, if we reach this first, then what do you think that looks like?

02:33:07.000 I think, well, we already are in AI to some degree, but I don't think it's a technology you can necessarily contain to one country.

02:33:14.000 I mean, China already has their own AI out there.

02:33:17.000 So I think it's going to be somewhat business as usual, at least on the AI side.

02:33:21.000 Quantum computing, a little bit different.

02:33:23.000 The technology investment is much higher, but still, if China can come in and potentially steal that technology and replicate it, then we're just in another level of arms race at that point.

02:33:36.000 But if we have the ability to invest in deep technologies that we aware have an endpoint in reality, instead of having to guess the strategic value of something, it's going to allow us to focus our resources in a way that we haven't had the opportunity to do in this country.

02:33:51.000 That's a great rose-colored glasses view of it.

02:33:54.000 That sounds really good.

02:33:56.000 It does.

02:33:56.000 When you say it that way, I'm like, wow, it's a very positive outlook.

02:34:00.000 I hope you're right.

02:34:03.000 What do you think?

02:34:04.000 I don't know.

02:34:05.000 I definitely don't know.

02:34:06.000 I go back and forth a lot.

02:34:08.000 I go back and forth as to whether or not these are visitors or whether or not they're interdimensional and they're always here.

02:34:14.000 I go back and forth whether or not they're ours.

02:34:16.000 I think some of them are ours probably.

02:34:19.000 I go back and forth to Lazar's talk about how they had been doing flights with these things.

02:34:24.000 They'd figured out how to at least get them off the ground and move them around the sky and have them land again.

02:34:29.000 If that was going on, if that's real, if that was going on in 1989, who knows?

02:34:33.000 Who knows what the fuck we have right now if that's real.

02:34:37.000 But if we are being visited, it's...

02:34:43.000 It's a complete revamping of our position in the universe.

02:34:46.000 If we do realize we're part of a community of intelligent life that's in the universe, and that it just takes a while for you to be technologically sophisticated enough where you can communicate or travel to these places.

02:35:00.000 But it eventually happens.

02:35:02.000 And then we just realize, like, the lights come on, there's like a billion eyes out there staring back at us like, whoa, we're all connected in this thing.

02:35:10.000 I think it would give us a lot of reason to collaborate.

02:35:13.000 It would give us a lot of reason to collaborate.

02:35:15.000 And like Ronald Reagan was saying, it would force us to recognize that we really are one thing here on planet Earth.

02:35:21.000 It's us together.

02:35:22.000 We're not different countries.

02:35:24.000 It's fucking...

02:35:25.000 It's crazy.

02:35:26.000 We're all just...

02:35:26.000 Of course there's different countries, but we're just human beings.

02:35:29.000 We should all just be like the same thing.

02:35:31.000 We don't need to fight.

02:35:32.000 There's no reason for any of this stuff.

02:35:34.000 All this shit can be worked out.

02:35:35.000 In the future, it should be.

02:35:37.000 I just think technology's got to kind of like help us along in that direction.

02:35:41.000 That's probably exactly what's happening.

02:35:44.000 But it's pretty strange that in the meanwhile, like in what we're facing today with these superpowers duking it out and trying to develop technological and military dominance, this would be in the movie the exact time that alien life would start showing up.

02:36:01.000 If you're gonna have a movie where the aliens come to make sure we don't kill ourselves, now would be arrival time.

02:36:08.000 Now would be the time.

02:36:09.000 It's like we're all sitting in Plato's cave, duking it out, arguing about what's on the wall, when a few people are creeping upstairs, realizing that we have a lot bigger things to worry about.

02:36:21.000 Yeah.

02:36:22.000 A lot bigger things to worry about and a lot bigger things to look forward to.

02:36:26.000 And I think the only way we're going to know what the territory is is if we get a legitimate map.

02:36:35.000 I think some people have a legitimate map of what we're looking at and some people don't.

02:36:39.000 And that's where you and I agree that's kind of fucked up.

02:36:42.000 And it's not their position.

02:36:44.000 You shouldn't be able to.

02:36:46.000 Well, people like yourself bringing attention to this topic, Joe, is huge.

02:36:50.000 I think the momentum that we've seen over the past three, four, five, eight years since I've been doing this is really changing the conversation.

02:36:59.000 I speak with people every single day.

02:37:01.000 I work this every single day, Joe, seven days a week.

02:37:04.000 And the amount of people that are changing their tune and coming around to this conversation at all levels of engineering, scientific background, financial resources, is absolutely huge.

02:37:15.000 And I think the pressure is going to continue to build.

02:37:17.000 And I think that the opportunity we have here with the new administration is unprecedented.

02:37:21.000 And I think we need to do everything we can do to leverage that to move the conversation to a point of no return.

02:37:29.000 I think it's possible to do.

02:37:30.000 I really do.

02:37:31.000 And I think that's what the general public wants at this point.

02:37:34.000 We're doing it.

02:37:35.000 I think people are really tired of not knowing.

02:37:38.000 Like, if they're, it's all bullshit, tell me it's bullshit.

02:37:41.000 Like, tell me how you know it's bullshit.

02:37:42.000 And if it's all real, fuck you for hiding it for so long.

02:37:46.000 How you been hiding this for so long?

02:37:51.000 How do you think this, if you had to guess, how do you think this drone thing gets resolved?

02:37:54.000 I mean, they can't just stay in the sky.

02:37:56.000 I have this kind of pit in my stomach that this will probably stop in like a week or two, and then we won't learn anything new.

02:38:03.000 Now I don't know if that's how it's going to play out, but that would be consistent with what happened in past years.

02:38:13.000 Do you think it's possible that they're just testing to see how people would react to drones flying around in space?

02:38:24.000 Due to the lack of coordination in government on this topic, I would assume if that's what they were doing, they would have had a better plan to communicate.

02:38:32.000 But why would they communicate with state and local authorities if they could do it in a way where they get clearance to do it and it's a need-to-know thing and they just have these things fly around just to gauge how the public's perception would be?

02:38:49.000 Even within the federal government, there seems to be confusion.

02:38:52.000 I'm not even referring to local government and law enforcement.

02:38:56.000 I'm talking about government agencies that are actively investigating this.

02:39:00.000 They seem to be out of the loop as well.

02:39:02.000 If they are trying to trick us, when I mean us, I mean basically everyone, even within the government, even what people need to know.

02:39:11.000 I mean, it's so hard for me to rationalize that they would be willing to manipulate 95% of the government in order to run some kind of experiment or social test with unclear value at the end of that chain, right?

02:39:27.000 Like, what exactly are they preparing us for?

02:39:29.000 Is it a broader integration of UAP knowledge into our conversation?

02:39:35.000 That's the only thing I could think that would require such secrecy.

02:39:42.000 Do we have drones that are capable of doing exactly what these things are doing?

02:39:45.000 I think so.

02:39:47.000 I mean, for the vast majority of cases that I've seen on social media and whatnot, I think so.

02:39:53.000 So is this domestic or these Chinese drones, like the top-of-the-line drones that can do what these things are doing?

02:39:59.000 Are we making those here?

02:40:01.000 I would have to make the assumption that the government with the defense community has built various drones that are capable of doing similar things for deployment overseas.

02:40:12.000 So again, there's not one video, I know we've looked a little bit, for one that exhibits capabilities that gives us a high level of confidence that they're completely unusual.

02:40:24.000 But we're not seeing that necessarily, so I can't jump to that conclusion yet based off of the information that's being presented.

02:40:29.000 But the overall activities of all these objects and the historical consistency with other sightings in this part of the country lend me to still consider that there's anomalous activity that's going on in this area.

02:40:44.000 Anomalous in terms of what we know we're capable of?

02:40:48.000 Yes.

02:40:48.000 Like, what is an example of anomalous that exceeds our capabilities?

02:40:53.000 uh...

02:40:55.000 Increased signal management, right?

02:40:58.000 Not being able to be detected.

02:41:01.000 We have very sophisticated radar systems on the eastern seaboard, including in New Jersey.

02:41:06.000 So to have objects that are able to essentially evade those detection mechanisms and appear mysterious and disappear over the ocean or come from the ocean in a way that's untrackable should not be possible.

02:41:22.000 That's why we have these billion-dollar systems.

02:41:25.000 So have we developed these capabilities?

02:41:28.000 Not just radar, but infrared, being able to block infrared, and even being able to detect objects in their proximity and even turn their lights off, right?

02:41:37.000 And of course, these aren't magical technologies.

02:41:40.000 We can probably imagine a path there, but it creates a lot of uncertainty about the origin of these objects and their intent, right?

02:41:47.000 Are we trying to evade our own capabilities and cause a mass panic over our own country?

02:41:53.000 Is this a foreign adversary that has had breakthroughs in these capabilities?

02:41:57.000 Not just breakthroughs in these capabilities, but, you know, Iran and China and Russia, for them to be operating off the eastern seaboard, it's not a small task, right?

02:42:05.000 To, like, load up a ship, have it be stealthy, and then launch all these drones without a point of origin.

02:42:11.000 That's not a trivial problem for them, right?

02:42:15.000 We're the only countries in the world that has a true global navy, and it would even be difficult for us to do.

02:42:21.000 Civilian drones.

02:42:22.000 You know, I mean, are there civilians operating these?

02:42:26.000 Hundreds of drones without detection, without flaw, without failure, without crashing?

02:42:30.000 Very, very strange that that would be the case as well.

02:42:33.000 So again, I can't – I look at all these different options, and I can see a rationale to say, okay, some of these are not exhibiting capabilities that make me think it came from somewhere else necessarily.

02:42:47.000 But all these kind of facts lined up one after another makes it really anomalous and quite the mystery still.

02:42:53.000 But again, I think we can figure this out, Joe.

02:42:55.000 Like we can get the proper technology there.

02:42:58.000 We can go figure this out.

02:42:59.000 And if the government is not going to do it, I will.

02:43:03.000 How are you gonna do it though like without the government?

02:43:05.000 What would you do right now?

02:43:07.000 Let's say Trump never calls you.

02:43:08.000 You've got to go figure it out.

02:43:09.000 What are you going to do?

02:43:10.000 I'm going to take RF receivers from Counter Drone Technologies.

02:43:14.000 I'm going to go out into these hot spots.

02:43:17.000 We're going to be looking for the signals that they may be emitting.

02:43:20.000 And then using mobile platforms, we'll be there to be able to detect the strength of the signals and we'll essentially follow them, see where they go.

02:43:27.000 And that might include, you know, operating an aircraft, that might include a ship offshore that we can hand off this information to so they can track them when they go over the water.

02:43:36.000 It's just a resource problem.

02:43:38.000 It's not a technology problem.

02:43:39.000 So if there is a ship that's launching them off the coast, What kind of technological capabilities would that ship have to have to be there undetected, where they don't know where these things are coming from?

02:43:52.000 How far away would it have to be where that's even feasible?

02:43:56.000 There's a couple paths.

02:43:57.000 One of them, it would have to be perhaps like a submarine-launched ship, right?

02:44:04.000 And we have very good detection underwater, especially off our coast.

02:44:08.000 How many drones could you fit on a submarine?

02:44:10.000 Well, that's the thing, right?

02:44:11.000 So especially car-sized drones, probably not too many.

02:44:14.000 So we're talking about perhaps a different class of submarine or multiple submarines.

02:44:18.000 They probably don't have the ability to recover these objects.

02:44:22.000 Would it have to be a submarine or could it be a giant ship?

02:44:24.000 I don't think we could have a giant ship off our coast without the Navy or other DOD assets knowing it's there.

02:44:32.000 So satellites and everything else.

02:44:33.000 If these things are launching from the water, they must be launching from something that was under the water.

02:44:40.000 That would be my hypothesis.

02:44:42.000 But there's no ship that's been sighted, right?

02:44:45.000 Correct.

02:44:46.000 What if there's a fucking civilization in the water?

02:44:49.000 It sounds so stupid, but did you ever see that one video where they showed this thing?

02:44:54.000 It was an underwater camera.

02:44:55.000 I think it was focused on an oil rig, and you see something flying through the background.

02:45:01.000 Yeah, I did see that.

02:45:02.000 Something like 500 knots underwater.

02:45:03.000 Like a silver flash, kind of.

02:45:04.000 Yeah.

02:45:05.000 I have reports from submarine operators of very fast objects under the water.

02:45:12.000 Yeah.

02:45:12.000 What the fuck?

02:45:14.000 USOs, underwater, or unidentified submersed objects.

02:45:18.000 I mean, our planet's mostly covered in water.

02:45:21.000 Our sensing underwater is not as good as in the air.

02:45:25.000 There's less traffic under there.

02:45:26.000 It would be a logical place to set up shop.

02:45:31.000 Yeah.

02:45:32.000 I mean, and how much of the ocean has actually been discovered or explored, rather?

02:45:36.000 It's like 10% or something crazy.

02:45:38.000 Yeah, pretty small.

02:45:39.000 And there's insane deep spots that something could just go and hang out.

02:45:43.000 Or move around, stay mobile.

02:45:45.000 Yeah.

02:45:46.000 Well, listen, I hope you get a phone call.

02:45:49.000 I hope you get a phone call and somebody listens to this and says that sounds like it would be a good thing for everybody if we knew what the hell was going on.

02:45:57.000 If it's possible to talk about.

02:45:59.000 But again, without you out there telling your story and guys like Commander David Fravor and all these different people that have had these experiences and encountered things and are aware of it and know that it's a real issue.

02:46:16.000 Without real credible voices like yourself, this conversation falls into the hands of silly people like me.

02:46:23.000 You know what I mean?

02:46:24.000 Like, if I'm interested in UFOs, I was interested in Bigfoot for a long time.

02:46:29.000 You know what I mean?

02:46:30.000 Some of it is just fun for me.

02:46:32.000 But when guys like you come out and talk about it, and when, you know, the New York Times writes that article in 2017, and you get the gimbal video and the go-fast video, all of a sudden it's like, okay, this is a phenomenon.

02:46:43.000 This is a real thing.

02:46:44.000 What is it?

02:46:45.000 And why don't we know?

02:46:46.000 And why aren't we being told what we do know?

02:46:49.000 They don't deny it anymore.

02:46:51.000 I mean, within government, when they communicate, it's clear from the Pentagon to the executive branch to legislative branch that, yes, there are objects.

02:47:00.000 We don't know what they are.

02:47:01.000 And they seem to be exhibiting capabilities beyond the state of the art.

02:47:04.000 I mean, we're at a point in the conversation where that seems to be pretty widely accepted at this point.

02:47:09.000 How hard would it be for people to accept that it's coming from an underwater civilization that's popping out to check on us?

02:47:16.000 That might be harder than the whole alien theory.

02:47:19.000 Right!

02:47:19.000 It would be almost crazier.

02:47:21.000 Almost crazier to think that we coexisted with an alien civilization that's under the water that we didn't know about.

02:47:27.000 Wouldn't we feel foolish?

02:47:28.000 We would feel so stupid.

02:47:29.000 We thought we're the apex predators.

02:47:31.000 We thought we were running shit.

02:47:32.000 These things are just hovering over our cities.

02:47:35.000 Listen, man, I really hope you get that phone call.

02:47:38.000 It's always a pleasure to talk to you.

02:47:40.000 And like I said, I really mean it.

02:47:41.000 If it wasn't for people like you that had the courage to come out and talk about these things, because I know there was a long time where airline pilots, a lot of different people just didn't want to talk about their experiences because it seemed like they were silly, and they would be mocked.

02:47:54.000 And it was widely dismissed.

02:47:57.000 And now it's kind of generally acknowledged that something's going on, you know, even from our own government.

02:48:03.000 So thank you.

02:48:05.000 If it wasn't for guys like you, I don't know where this whole conversation would be.

02:48:10.000 So I hope you get a job.

02:48:12.000 Yeah, please do it.

02:48:12.000 Tell everybody the website one more time.

02:48:15.000 Safeaerospace.org.

02:48:16.000 Okay.

02:48:16.000 Please sign up.

02:48:16.000 And you can report there.

02:48:18.000 Please sign up as well.

02:48:19.000 Instagram?

02:48:21.000 Twitter.

02:48:21.000 Uncertain Vector.

02:48:23.000 Excuse me.

02:48:23.000 X. X. Yeah.

02:48:25.000 Okay.

02:48:26.000 Thank you, Mark.

02:48:26.000 Appreciate it.

02:48:27.000 Thanks, y'all.

The Joe Rogan Experience - December 17, 2024

Joe Rogan Experience #2244 - Ryan Graves

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