The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2246 - James Fox

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00:00:12.000 It's a very good time to have a UFO expert in.

00:00:15.000 A lot has been going on.

00:00:18.000 This is...

00:00:19.000 You know, I had...

00:00:21.000 I know you ran into him.

00:00:22.000 I had Ryan Graves on yesterday.

00:00:23.000 Oh, my God.

00:00:24.000 I'll tell you the funny story about how I ran into him.

00:00:25.000 You ran into him in the lobby of the hotel, right?

00:00:27.000 So the lobby told me, they're all, don't use this one elevator.

00:00:30.000 It's really rickety.

00:00:31.000 And it makes a lot of noise.

00:00:32.000 And it's just...

00:00:33.000 It's not very reliable.

00:00:34.000 And just don't use it.

00:00:34.000 So I didn't.

00:00:35.000 And then I was leaving...

00:00:37.000 24 hours later, I come down and get some coffee. 1.00

00:00:39.000 And I was like, ah, fuck it. 0.99

00:00:40.000 Let me take the rickety elevator. 1.00

00:00:42.000 I was like, they told me not to take it, but I'm going to take it anyway.

00:00:43.000 So I push the button.

00:00:44.000 I'm standing there.

00:00:45.000 I hear this...

00:00:45.000 The door's open.

00:00:48.000 I look.

00:00:49.000 I see this shadowy figure in the corner.

00:00:51.000 I'm like, Ryan Graves?

00:00:53.000 What are you doing?

00:00:53.000 He goes, I don't know.

00:00:54.000 What are you doing?

00:00:57.000 I was like, are you doing what I think you're doing?

00:00:59.000 He goes, yeah.

00:01:01.000 Did he tell you that?

00:01:02.000 Did he tell you that?

00:01:03.000 Yes, he did.

00:01:04.000 He told me he ran into you.

00:01:04.000 He didn't tell me the whole story about the rickety element.

00:01:06.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:01:07.000 And he was like this shadowy figure up against the corner, kind of just looking at him.

00:01:11.000 He's looking at me.

00:01:12.000 It was really funny.

00:01:13.000 We talked a lot of nonsense about aliens, but we also talked about the technology that he knows is state-of-the-art when it comes to drones.

00:01:22.000 Yes.

00:01:23.000 And that some of these ones in New Jersey, they're doing things that you can't really do yet.

00:01:27.000 Yes.

00:01:28.000 Yeah, which is really fascinating.

00:01:30.000 Because it's like, okay.

00:01:31.000 And they're the size of SUVs.

00:01:32.000 Right.

00:01:33.000 So is it ours?

00:01:34.000 And we somehow or another have some stuff that the mainstream drone manufacturers at the highest level aren't aware of yet?

00:01:43.000 Is it ours?

00:01:43.000 Is it like some crazy military stuff?

00:01:45.000 Because if it's not, and it's coming from the ocean, like, what do you mean it's coming? 0.99

00:01:49.000 What the fuck do you- 50 of them. 0.98

00:01:52.000 What do you mean? 1.00

00:01:53.000 What do you mean 50 suburban-sized UFOs are coming out of the ocean?

00:02:00.000 This is really funny.

00:02:01.000 I've been working with this guy.

00:02:03.000 We've been communicating on the signal for a long time.

00:02:05.000 Actually, he was through Proton.

00:02:07.000 He was emailing me stuff about Virginia, the UFO crash in Virginia.

00:02:11.000 But he was anonymous.

00:02:13.000 One day, I was like, he's really knowledgeable.

00:02:16.000 And he was sending me stuff that was really helpful.

00:02:18.000 Like, you should track down this flight, because if it happened, it was going out of this airport, go to this base.

00:02:22.000 And I was like, finally one day, I was like, who are you?

00:02:25.000 And how do you know what you know?

00:02:27.000 He goes, I'm a retired United States Air Force colonel.

00:02:29.000 I was like, oh.

00:02:30.000 And he goes, and I'm also an experiencer.

00:02:32.000 I had an experience back in 1980, blah, blah, blah.

00:02:34.000 Oh, what happened to him?

00:02:36.000 He had a UFO encounter.

00:02:37.000 It's in the movie towards the end.

00:02:38.000 But anyway, he texted me yesterday.

00:02:41.000 And he goes...

00:02:43.000 James, I really want you to explain to me how the hell you orchestrated a UAP invasion right around the time your film's coming out.

00:02:51.000 I was like, I'd really like to know how you did that.

00:02:54.000 I was like...

00:02:54.000 Bro, do you know what kind of a budget you would have to have to have drones running in the sky all over...

00:03:01.000 How many different cities are reporting it now?

00:03:03.000 Like, what's the numbers?

00:03:03.000 It's exploding all over the place, and it's getting better.

00:03:07.000 I've heard California.

00:03:08.000 I've heard Europe now, bases in England, New York, New Jersey.

00:03:13.000 I've heard San Diego.

00:03:16.000 Wasn't there something in Ohio, right?

00:03:18.000 Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, they had to shut that place down.

00:03:21.000 Yeah.

00:03:21.000 That's Ohio.

00:03:22.000 So I've heard New Jersey.

00:03:25.000 I think Florida, right?

00:03:26.000 That was the one that Ryan Graves showed us a photo of.

00:03:28.000 That was from Florida. 0.99

00:03:30.000 So, like, who fucking... 0.99

00:03:32.000 What's going on? 0.99

00:03:34.000 Who fucking knows? 0.96

00:03:35.000 I was super busy, you know, had the release of the film going on, and so I was, like, trying to focus on that and getting everything lined up, and it was a huge push. 0.98

00:03:43.000 And all these text messages from all around the world are pouring in, like, what the hell is going on with these drones?

00:03:47.000 And I was like, ah, it's probably something conventional.

00:03:49.000 I'm not going to worry about it right now.

00:03:50.000 I'm just going to keep on focusing what I got at hand here.

00:03:53.000 And then I started getting more information coming in, more information.

00:03:56.000 Then a buddy of mine called me, and he actually went to Brazil with me a couple years ago, and he's like, bro, I live here.

00:04:00.000 I'm seeing these things in the sky.

00:04:02.000 I've seen them seven times now.

00:04:04.000 They're the size of an SUV. I was like, well, what do they look like?

00:04:06.000 What do they behave like?

00:04:07.000 He's like, well, they're making noise.

00:04:09.000 I was like, oh, okay, well, that quickly kind of eliminates, you know, something non-conventional in terms of propulsion.

00:04:14.000 But then I got reports of objects that didn't make any noise, and that would go silent.

00:04:18.000 Did you say what kind of noise it was making?

00:04:20.000 Like a propeller's drones would make, but loud, and they're big, and they have a loiter time of hours.

00:04:30.000 The average drone, like I fly drones for my films, is like, you're lucky to get 25 minutes.

00:04:35.000 These things are there for hours.

00:04:36.000 Yeah, five hours at a time.

00:04:38.000 They go dark when they're approached by other objects.

00:04:41.000 They're not getting picked up on FLIR at times.

00:04:44.000 And then some of them have no noise.

00:04:46.000 I've heard crescent-shaped.

00:04:48.000 And then I heard about the ones that really got me because I contacted Christopher Mellon.

00:04:51.000 I was like, Chris, what is going on, buddy?

00:04:53.000 I really rely on him for good information.

00:04:55.000 And he's like, I really don't know, man. 1.00

00:04:57.000 It's a real shit show. 0.99

00:04:58.000 And the U.S. government seems to be clueless right now. 1.00

00:05:01.000 He goes, some of them are conventional. 0.99

00:05:02.000 Some of them are misidentified conventional crap. 0.96

00:05:05.000 But there are other ones coming in off the ocean that are up to 50. The Coast Guard and Police Department are reporting. 0.97

00:05:10.000 That truly remained a mystery.

00:05:11.000 And then you had Schumer...

00:05:13.000 At a press conference, just like it was yesterday.

00:05:16.000 And then he's going, and he's like, we don't know what they are.

00:05:18.000 We don't know what they are.

00:05:19.000 And the guy goes, yeah, so it's a UAP. He goes, well, they're drones.

00:05:21.000 He goes, well, you wrote the legislation.

00:05:23.000 It's a UAP. It's unidentified anomalous phenomenon.

00:05:26.000 Why don't you just use UAP? I think they're using the word drone because UAP is almost too scary, like invasions happening.

00:05:32.000 That's what...

00:05:33.000 UAP is unidentified anomalous phenomenon?

00:05:38.000 Couldn't that be kind of anything?

00:05:39.000 Doesn't even mean flying.

00:05:40.000 Well, that's the thing, because it used to be unidentified aerial...

00:05:43.000 Well, it was UFO, unidentified flying object.

00:05:45.000 Then it was UAP, unidentified aerial phenomenon.

00:05:48.000 But then they're coming out of the water.

00:05:50.000 Yeah, I feel like this is nonsense.

00:05:51.000 So they said anomalous.

00:05:52.000 Why don't they just keep using UFO? Because people associate UFO with otherworldly, and they wanted to remove that baggage and make it a little less scary.

00:06:01.000 That's my personal opinion.

00:06:02.000 I kind of get that, but also it's just an unidentified flying object.

00:06:08.000 If we find out what it is, then it becomes an identified flying object.

00:06:12.000 It doesn't necessarily mean it's alien.

00:06:14.000 True, but think of the stealth bomber.

00:06:16.000 People would probably be jumping out of their windows right now if they said UFOs are invading the East Coast.

00:06:20.000 You remember World of Worlds?

00:06:21.000 Right, that's true.

00:06:22.000 People were like jumping out of their windows.

00:06:24.000 That's a good point.

00:06:25.000 That's actually a very good point.

00:06:26.000 So I think they toned it down.

00:06:27.000 I think they're using the word drone even though they're unidentified just because of the fear factor.

00:06:32.000 I think the fear factor is real.

00:06:33.000 Yeah.

00:06:34.000 I can't help but cringe when I hear that word.

00:06:36.000 Oh, sorry.

00:06:38.000 The fear element.

00:06:39.000 It's so funny.

00:06:40.000 Sorry.

00:06:40.000 It was too much of a part of my life.

00:06:42.000 Too close to home.

00:06:44.000 So, when did they start?

00:06:46.000 Like, when was it acknowledged that this was an issue that was reoccurring recently?

00:06:51.000 Like, you know, obviously there's always been something in the sky.

00:06:54.000 People have always seen things.

00:06:55.000 Who knows what they are, whether or not they're, you know, a lot of people see Starlink and they think it's UFOs, right?

00:06:59.000 Yeah, yeah, of course.

00:07:00.000 But when did this drone thing that we're currently experiencing basically every day, when did it start?

00:07:06.000 A couple weeks ago.

00:07:08.000 Just a few weeks ago.

00:07:09.000 Maybe a month ago.

00:07:10.000 That's when I started really hearing about it.

00:07:11.000 Jamie, is there any sort of official answer to that?

00:07:16.000 I have something that...

00:07:17.000 20th, 19th, something like that.

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00:08:24.000 I have something that, this is about an airbase in Vandenberg Air Force Base in 2003, and this is not an anonymous.

00:08:32.000 But this is about incursions over...

00:08:33.000 Listen to this.

00:08:34.000 I promised this individual that I met at Seoul Conference.

00:08:38.000 He's a witness.

00:08:39.000 He's a military guy.

00:08:41.000 My name is Jeffrey Nusatelli.

00:08:44.000 I served 16 years in the United States Air Force as a technical sergeant and a military police officer.

00:08:51.000 In October 2003, my coworkers and I witnessed a series of extraordinary UAP incursions at Vandenberg Air Force Base in California.

00:08:59.000 The initial event is known as the Vandenberg Red Square, and it was first mentioned during the historic UAP hearing held in 2023. The case involved Boeing contractors who witnessed a huge red square-shaped object roughly the size of a football field hovering over a missile defense system.

00:09:20.000 The object was silent and had no visible means of propulsion.

00:09:24.000 The contractors watched in amazement as the massive object slowly drifted east and vanished over the hills.

00:09:32.000 I retained official Air Force records of the event, including the blotter form entry, which includes the names and contact information of all the witnesses and provided it to select members of Congress, ARO, and the FBI. ARO is a new UAP Task Force All Domain Anomalous Resolution Office.

00:09:53.000 After the initial event, several other UAP incursions took place at Vandenberg.

00:09:58.000 I was on duty during many of the encounters and I investigated the incidents as they unfolded.

00:10:03.000 Now, remember, this is not anonymous reporting here.

00:10:06.000 They include a football field-sized craft that terrified security guards as it silently hovered over a launch facility before flying off at an unbelievable rate of speed.

00:10:19.000 A brightly illuminated silent object that landed on the base flight line before accelerating instantaneously and disappearing into space.

00:10:29.000 A huge triangle-shaped craft larger than a C-130 that hovered 50 feet over a police officer before it drifted slowly over the base.

00:10:37.000 A blue-white liquid orb, roughly the size of his house, that hovered over his house on the base.

00:10:44.000 The objects made no sound and had zero obvious means of propulsion.

00:10:50.000 And he says, my experiences with UAP were awe-inspiring, exciting, and terrifying.

00:10:54.000 I don't know why UAP are flying over our bases and our neighborhoods, but I do know the UAP phenomenon is of the utmost importance to all of humanity.

00:11:04.000 I currently have five other military witnesses to the Vandenberg incursions that are all willing to testify tomorrow under oath that these statements are true.

00:11:14.000 We need answers to this mystery and better government transparency.

00:11:18.000 Thank you for the opportunity to share my story, former United States Air Force Technical Sergeant and Witness, Jeff Nusatelli.

00:11:26.000 Crazy, right?

00:11:27.000 I mean, we're talking objects the size of a football field?

00:11:29.000 That's bananas.

00:11:30.000 And then they take off insanely fast, just like the Tic Tac.

00:11:34.000 Straight up into space.

00:11:36.000 So, what was the exact date of this?

00:11:39.000 This was 2003. There was a number of incursions during that year, all the way into 2005. And he has the names, and they submitted it to the new head of Arrow.

00:11:48.000 That's interesting because that coincides with the Tic Tac.

00:11:51.000 It does coincide with the Tic Tac.

00:11:52.000 I wonder if it's like, you know, vacation season.

00:11:55.000 You know?

00:11:56.000 It's like every few years.

00:11:58.000 Let's go check out what those guys we're up to. 0.97

00:11:59.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

00:12:00.000 Maybe it's like a real pain in the ass to get here. 1.00

00:12:02.000 Maybe it's one of those things like, you can go to Australia, but dude, it's a pain in the ass. 1.00

00:12:06.000 It's 16 fucking hours on a plane. 1.00

00:12:08.000 It's a long flight. 1.00

00:12:09.000 Oh my gosh.

00:12:10.000 I went to South Africa one time and that was like 22 hours.

00:12:13.000 I was like, the plane's going to run out of gas.

00:12:15.000 That's exactly what I'm saying.

00:12:16.000 It's like one of those things. 1.00

00:12:17.000 It's like you can do it, but it's a pain in the ass. 0.98

00:12:19.000 So maybe they only travel to Earth every now and again. 0.97

00:12:23.000 How could these incursions have been taking place and, like, here we are 20 years later and we're only now really starting to talk about them?

00:12:29.000 I think the reason being is if you don't understand it and you can't protect people from it because it's so beyond our capabilities that if just describing it accurately Removes all confidence that our government has everything under control.

00:12:44.000 That's one reason why.

00:12:46.000 And also, if you have no answers, you don't know what the hell it is.

00:12:49.000 That's a very good point, yes.

00:12:50.000 If you don't know what the hell it is, what are you even going to say?

00:12:52.000 Hey, there's something that came. 0.99

00:12:53.000 We don't know what the fuck it is. 0.99

00:12:54.000 It's as big as a football field. 0.99

00:12:56.000 Shot off into the sky.

00:12:57.000 We have no idea.

00:12:58.000 They'd be like, what do you mean?

00:12:59.000 We have no idea.

00:13:00.000 Hire somebody who understands this, and then they'd be like, fire him!

00:13:04.000 Get him out of office! 0.96

00:13:05.000 I remember, like 20 years ago, bright-eyed, bushy-tailed, totally naive, still bright, I mean, still naive, but I was meeting with a general.

00:13:15.000 And I said, God, it'll be so amazing.

00:13:17.000 You know, this story is like so unifying and we had this kumbaya moment and we discovered that, you know, we're not alone in the universe and wouldn't that be amazing and blah, blah, blah, the implications for all of humanity.

00:13:27.000 And he sat there almost chuckling at me.

00:13:30.000 And he goes, looked at me and he goes, you got it all wrong, man.

00:13:33.000 You know, you got to see this through our lens.

00:13:36.000 And I was like, through your lens?

00:13:37.000 He goes, yeah, the military's perspective.

00:13:39.000 I was like, okay, tell me.

00:13:41.000 And I never thought about this before.

00:13:42.000 You just mentioned it.

00:13:44.000 He goes, okay, imagine this scenario.

00:13:46.000 We sit there and we say, you know, my fellow Americans, it has been brought to our attention that there are craft of unknown origin whizzing around with impunity in our airspace.

00:13:56.000 They exhibit a technology that's light years advanced from anything that we have.

00:14:00.000 We don't know who they are, where they come from, what they want.

00:14:02.000 Shall they turn to be hostile?

00:14:03.000 We have no visible means of defense against them.

00:14:06.000 Thank you and good night.

00:14:08.000 You're fired!

00:14:09.000 You're fired!

00:14:10.000 Someone like Trump will come along, I'll make a deal with the aliens! 1.00

00:14:15.000 You see that predicament?

00:14:16.000 People always go, why the secrecy?

00:14:18.000 Duh! 1.00

00:14:19.000 Yeah, you have to have secrecy because you've got to imagine the job of a politician in general.

00:14:24.000 You have to pretend that you're going to be able to handle situations that you well know you're not going to be able to handle.

00:14:31.000 If you're running for president, you know that you're not going to fix this economy.

00:14:36.000 Stop.

00:14:38.000 Just stop.

00:14:39.000 I'm going to wave the magic wand and it's all going to be taken care of.

00:14:41.000 You know you're not going to implement electric cars.

00:14:43.000 Stop.

00:14:44.000 Stop. 1.00

00:14:45.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:14:46.000 There's not enough batteries. 1.00

00:14:47.000 So if you're lying about all that, you're probably going to lie about whether or not you can handle the alien threat.

00:14:53.000 I will unite us.

00:14:54.000 I will unite us as a planet so we can deal together with the aliens.

00:14:58.000 Yeah!

00:14:59.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:15:00.000 All you have to do is just say some bullshit like that. 1.00

00:15:02.000 And then someone probably bends his ear when he gets into office and be like, yeah. 1.00

00:15:04.000 A good speaker, like a J.D. Vance, like a guy like that.

00:15:09.000 Very bright, young, energetic speaker.

00:15:11.000 He can convince people he can talk to the aliens.

00:15:13.000 He can convince people that he can unite us all.

00:15:18.000 Have you seen the program?

00:15:20.000 No, I have not.

00:15:23.000 Explain it to everybody.

00:15:24.000 Okay, so the program, basically, it's funny because the last time I was on the show, We were talking about an alleged crash retrieval case that took place in Virginia, Brazil in 1996. And your documentary on it, which is...

00:15:36.000 Yeah, Moment of Contact.

00:15:37.000 Amazing.

00:15:37.000 Amazing documentary.

00:15:38.000 So we're talking about that, and I came off the heels of doing The Phenomenon, which touched a little bit on a potential crash retrieval program, but then it was like...

00:15:46.000 Then it was the crash retrieval over in Virginia, Brazil.

00:15:49.000 And then I got hyper-focused on that.

00:15:53.000 And then I had sort of...

00:15:55.000 It was a personal journey for me was, okay...

00:15:58.000 The elected officials, what do they know?

00:16:01.000 And when do they know it?

00:16:02.000 Do we have a crash retrieval program?

00:16:04.000 That's what I set out to do.

00:16:06.000 And then three months after I was on your show in April of 2023, the highest level intel officer, David Grush, testifies under oath That there is a crash retrieval program and the government does have definitive proof that we're not alone.

00:16:19.000 So he kind of opened the door for me.

00:16:21.000 And a lot had happened since the release of the phenomenon and moment of contact.

00:16:25.000 There was all this legislation.

00:16:27.000 There was the first congressional hearing.

00:16:29.000 There was behind closed doors meetings with a number of intel officers and witnesses.

00:16:37.000 And then you had the second congressional hearing, which was David Grush, which was absolutely phenomenal.

00:16:44.000 I'm sure you saw that.

00:16:45.000 And then just recently, just a couple of months ago, we had the third congressional hearing, which I actually, funny enough, got to attend.

00:16:52.000 It was the first time in my 30 years investigating.

00:16:54.000 I was actually sitting behind people while they were testifying under oath about legitimacy of the phenomenon as well as there's a crash retrieval program.

00:17:04.000 I mean, people have to understand that Feel like maybe these things aren't happening fast enough.

00:17:10.000 Just a couple years ago, they didn't even admit that the phenomenon is real.

00:17:15.000 Now there's people testifying under oath that we have a crash retrieval program.

00:17:19.000 So drip, drip, drip.

00:17:21.000 Things are happening.

00:17:22.000 They're not putting the genie back in the bottle. 0.96

00:17:24.000 Do you wonder at all that you're being mindfucked?

00:17:26.000 Do you wonder at all that this is a massive PSYOP and this is all just to cover up some very advanced American weapons technology?

00:17:34.000 I think it's a very good question, and here's why I don't believe that.

00:17:38.000 Because I have done 30 years of field research, right?

00:17:41.000 So I've gone to China, I've been to Russia, I've been to Australia and Africa, South America, Canada, Alaska, all across Europe, the United States, and I've investigated close encounters of the third kind.

00:17:53.000 And I'm going to ask your audience, don't take it from me, but the United States Air Force investigated and categorized Close Encounters of the First, Second, and Third Kind, right?

00:18:03.000 During their official capacity, Project Sign, Project Grudge, Project Blue Book. 0.89

00:18:06.000 Great fucking movie, by the way, if you haven't seen it, folks. 0.97

00:18:09.000 Close Encounters of the Third Kind. 0.99

00:18:11.000 Probably the best alien invasion movie of all time.

00:18:14.000 Dr. Hynek has a cameo appearance in that film.

00:18:17.000 Did you know that?

00:18:17.000 I had heard that.

00:18:18.000 I don't remember who he was, though, but wasn't the franchise?

00:18:21.000 Yeah, Jacques Vallée.

00:18:22.000 He's supposed to be Jacques Vallée.

00:18:23.000 Jacques Vallée has a cameo.

00:18:24.000 Well, there's a guy acting his part, but actually Dr. Jalen Hynek, who's a scientific advisor to Project Blue Book all those years for the Air Force, actually has a cameo appearance, smoking a cigar during the encounter.

00:18:35.000 And that's him.

00:18:37.000 That's right.

00:18:37.000 That's Dr. Hynek.

00:18:38.000 That's right.

00:18:38.000 Smoking a pipe.

00:18:39.000 Smoking a pipe, and...

00:18:41.000 A lot of the cases write down to Richard Dreyfuss's face being burned by the UFO. Those came directly out of Project Blue Book Files.

00:18:47.000 Even the description of what the entities looked like.

00:18:50.000 Close Encounters.

00:18:50.000 Again, Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

00:18:52.000 This is the United States Air Force documenting this stuff.

00:18:55.000 And he took it directly out of Project Blue Book Files and made a movie out of it.

00:19:00.000 And as a little wink-wink-nudge-nudge, he has Dr. Hynek have a cameo appearance in the movie.

00:19:06.000 Most people don't know that.

00:19:08.000 It's a fantastic movie too.

00:19:10.000 Because it's a movie that's filled with, it's not like standard UFOs land.

00:19:10.000 It's a great movie.

00:19:16.000 There's some play going on.

00:19:18.000 There's some weirdness to the way they interact with us.

00:19:21.000 That sort of is much more realistic in terms of like the things that people experience.

00:19:26.000 They experience interactions, very strange interactions.

00:19:26.000 Yeah.

00:19:29.000 And when they had those little orb-like things that were flying around in the movie, that's all straight out of, like...

00:19:34.000 Oh, yeah.

00:19:35.000 Oh, 100%.

00:19:35.000 Yeah.

00:19:36.000 I remember I had a buddy of mine who was a pilot over Europe in the 70s, and he used to come for family dinners, and he was always talking about it, and I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever.

00:19:43.000 And then later, we're all in the life.

00:19:45.000 Foo fighters.

00:19:45.000 When I started getting an interest in UFOs, I was like...

00:19:47.000 Michael, tell me about that UFO encounter you had, that red orb.

00:19:49.000 He goes, it was just like it was in the close accounts of the third kind, Steven Spielberg's movie.

00:19:54.000 And I was like, ah, they took those files directly out of Project Moving Files and right onto the big screen.

00:19:58.000 That's what the Foo Fighters were, right?

00:20:00.000 Yeah, Foo Fighters, too.

00:20:01.000 They had little orbs.

00:20:02.000 Yeah.

00:20:02.000 Yeah, little orbs.

00:20:03.000 These fighter pilots are flying around.

00:20:05.000 They're seeing these things with them.

00:20:06.000 Well, let me ask you, and this is why that I don't think it's a PSYOP thing.

00:20:11.000 I don't think it's a PSYOP either.

00:20:12.000 Well, the reason why I don't is because...

00:20:14.000 Okay, I don't just believe Grush because he testified under oath and he's a high-level intelligence officer.

00:20:19.000 That's very impressive.

00:20:20.000 I believe Grush because his claims align with my personal research in the field.

00:20:26.000 Remember, I've investigated crash retrieval programs, crash retrieval cases, right?

00:20:30.000 And so I was...

00:20:32.000 I mean, when I put out Moment of Contact...

00:20:35.000 Well, actually, when I went in to put out Moment of Contact, people were going, James, you just dropped one of the biggest, most successful UFO films in terms of transcending the UFO community and penetrating a much broader, more mainstream audience.

00:20:50.000 Are you sure you want to put out a documentary that deals with an alleged crash and live aliens walking around the town of Virginia, Brazil?

00:20:57.000 Like, seriously, that's what you want to put out there?

00:21:00.000 You've got access to, like, Harry Reid and all these Intel insiders, and now you want to do that?

00:21:06.000 You're going to tarnish your reputation.

00:21:08.000 Who gave you that advice?

00:21:09.000 A lot of people did.

00:21:10.000 I wish you called me.

00:21:12.000 I was like, James, you can handle it.

00:21:14.000 You probably heard about Moment of Contact, and then you thought, oh, this sounds too crazy.

00:21:17.000 No, I didn't.

00:21:18.000 No, I thought, well, I always think a crash and contact sounds crazy.

00:21:18.000 You watched it.

00:21:23.000 I know.

00:21:23.000 And it does.

00:21:24.000 I always think that.

00:21:25.000 But I would have never told you not to do it.

00:21:27.000 Okay, I would never told you not do it.

00:21:29.000 You're really good at this.

00:21:29.000 You know how to like you're really good at like explaining but you look at half the town Talking yeah, including the incredible story.

00:21:36.000 It's an incredible story. 0.96

00:21:37.000 It's a phenomenal story It's one of those stories where you like if everybody's in on this This is crazy if everybody's telling and no one there's not one contrarian that comes out and goes they all told me to lie I'm not fucking lying. 1.00

00:21:47.000 This is stupid. 1.00

00:21:48.000 They're doing it for tourism. 1.00

00:21:49.000 Oh, yeah one person Come on.

00:21:51.000 There's always some hater.

00:21:52.000 There's always some hater who wants to ruin your gag.

00:21:54.000 I remember.

00:21:55.000 You know what I mean?

00:21:56.000 I totally do.

00:21:57.000 I remember when I was making Moment of Contact and I wasn't done with it yet, Lou Elizondo was like, he's like, James, he called me up.

00:22:03.000 He goes, I need a copy.

00:22:04.000 I was like, the film's not done.

00:22:06.000 I don't care.

00:22:06.000 I need a copy.

00:22:07.000 Give me a rough cut.

00:22:07.000 I don't care.

00:22:08.000 I was like, okay, okay.

00:22:09.000 What's the urgency?

00:22:10.000 And he's like, you don't understand who's watching this right now.

00:22:12.000 So I was like, okay, so I'm giving him copies, and I had absolutely no idea ever in a hundred million years that I think we're going to be having, months after the release of Moment of Contact, a congressional hearing under oath that there's a crash retrieval program.

00:22:29.000 What year did Moment of Contact come out?

00:22:31.000 It came out at the end of 2022. Do you think Biden watched it?

00:22:35.000 Do you think he sat down with Biden?

00:22:37.000 That would have been wild.

00:22:38.000 He's been so dismissive of it all.

00:22:42.000 Obama said a lot more about it.

00:22:44.000 You know why?

00:22:44.000 Because he's already in space.

00:22:45.000 He's in space right now.

00:22:47.000 He's like, go talk to Obama.

00:22:48.000 He's in orbit right now around Saturn.

00:22:50.000 I was like, really?

00:22:51.000 That's the best you can do?

00:22:52.000 He's like Dr. Manhattan.

00:22:53.000 He's on the moon in a glass house.

00:22:55.000 Okay, let's see.

00:22:56.000 If Biden, if you're listening right now, you have nothing to lose.

00:22:59.000 Sir, you're the President of the United States, sir.

00:23:00.000 Release the hounds.

00:23:01.000 He's never running ever again.

00:23:03.000 Exactly.

00:23:03.000 He's not running for a second term.

00:23:06.000 Come on, we're done.

00:23:07.000 He's already pardoned more human beings than any president ever, other than Carter.

00:23:12.000 Listen to the advice at the end of the program by Senator Harry Reid, who's now the late Senator Harry Reid, and I said to him, What advice would you give the president?

00:23:23.000 It could have been any president at the time.

00:23:25.000 And he said, don't be afraid of tarnishing your legacy by addressing this issue head on.

00:23:30.000 And I hope that Biden gets to see that.

00:23:32.000 And I really hope that President-elect Donald Trump gets to see that.

00:23:36.000 People are ready for the truth.

00:23:38.000 They've had enough of the line.

00:23:40.000 I think we're way beyond that at this point.

00:23:42.000 I agree with you.

00:23:44.000 However, when I confronted Mr. Trump, he was very cagey.

00:23:48.000 Was he really?

00:23:49.000 Very cagey.

00:23:49.000 I've seen some things.

00:23:51.000 They told me some things. 1.00

00:23:52.000 He didn't tell me shit. 1.00

00:23:54.000 Really? 1.00

00:23:55.000 Did his eyes tell you?

00:23:56.000 It was basically like neither confirmed nor denied. 1.00

00:23:58.000 I don't do that shit. 0.99

00:23:58.000 No, there was no eyes. 0.99

00:23:59.000 Especially to a pro like Donald Trump.

00:24:02.000 Really?

00:24:03.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:24:03.000 You're going to do it to an actor or something.

00:24:05.000 Shut up. 1.00

00:24:06.000 Really? 1.00

00:24:06.000 You're not going to know what the fuck they think. 1.00

00:24:07.000 Yeah, if Daniel Day-Lewis told you that he just ate a baby, you'd fucking believe him. 0.99

00:24:11.000 You know what I mean? 0.98

00:24:12.000 You know what I mean?

00:24:13.000 Like, this idea that, like, what did his eyes tell you?

00:24:16.000 What did his eyes tell you?

00:24:16.000 It depends on the person.

00:24:17.000 Depends on the person.

00:24:18.000 If it's your regular crackpot and they tell you a lie, like, something's up.

00:24:22.000 But there's people that can hide things.

00:24:24.000 They can hide things behind their eyes.

00:24:26.000 I think he knows something.

00:24:29.000 I don't think he's that interested.

00:24:31.000 I think he's more interested.

00:24:33.000 I think he's sort of a no-nonsense type of guy.

00:24:36.000 You kind of have to be managing multiple businesses simultaneously.

00:24:36.000 This is why.

00:24:41.000 He's always done that his whole career.

00:24:43.000 Managed being on The Apprentice, while running these golf courses, while having these buildings, apartment buildings, hotels.

00:24:48.000 He's constantly doing something, right? 1.00

00:24:50.000 So while he's doing all that, and he's playing golf, while he's doing all that, There's no time for fucking aliens, man. 0.99

00:24:59.000 There's no time for nonsense. 0.99

00:25:00.000 There's no time for sitting around with your buddies, you know, smoking a cigar going, what do you think, man?

00:25:04.000 I mean, if I was them, man, I would do what they're doing, you know?

00:25:09.000 There's no time for that nonsense talk.

00:25:11.000 That guy's got businesses.

00:25:12.000 But we got objects of unknown origin flying over residential areas, flying over military bases, flying over nuclear silos.

00:25:20.000 Well, now I think he's much more interested because...

00:25:22.000 That's a matter of national security.

00:25:24.000 I mean, people are freaking out.

00:25:25.000 Like, what the hell are we seeing?

00:25:26.000 And they're going, we don't know what they are, but everything's fine.

00:25:30.000 We're totally safe.

00:25:31.000 There's no national security issue here.

00:25:33.000 We don't know what they are, but you're fine.

00:25:35.000 Don't worry about it.

00:25:37.000 What was the Steven Spielberg movie with the shark, the great white shark?

00:25:40.000 Yeah, Jaws.

00:25:41.000 Jaws.

00:25:41.000 Remember when they're like, everything's fine.

00:25:43.000 The mayor.

00:25:44.000 The mayor's like, keep swimming.

00:25:45.000 Yeah, keep swimming.

00:25:46.000 The water's fine.

00:25:47.000 Everyone's saying people are getting bitten halfway.

00:25:48.000 That's the perfect analogy!

00:25:50.000 Dude, that is the perfect analogy.

00:25:53.000 That is it!

00:25:54.000 Everything's fine.

00:25:55.000 Go about your lives.

00:25:57.000 They're definitely not nukes, sniffing drones.

00:25:59.000 Come on.

00:26:00.000 Nukes, sniffing drones.

00:26:02.000 So what if some nuclear material was just stolen off a cargo ship?

00:26:07.000 Whatever, whatever! 0.92

00:26:08.000 Guys!

00:26:09.000 All the online conspiracy stuff is crazy, and I get a lot of it, because obviously what I do...

00:26:14.000 And people send me all kinds of stuff.

00:26:16.000 I was like, well, hang on a second.

00:26:17.000 I wish I could put boots on the ground.

00:26:19.000 But no, there's something really weird going on.

00:26:22.000 And the fact that they don't know, or they're claiming that they don't know what it is...

00:26:26.000 And here's another really funny thing.

00:26:28.000 I actually, in the program that I did now, and I hope you get a chance to watch it, because it's crazy.

00:26:33.000 It's got...

00:26:33.000 Tell people what it is.

00:26:35.000 Okay, so...

00:26:37.000 Basically, I was talking to you about earlier...

00:26:38.000 Tell people the title, the whole thing.

00:26:40.000 It's called The Program.

00:26:41.000 It's going to be on...

00:26:42.000 It just came out.

00:26:43.000 It's at number one right now.

00:26:44.000 It's on Amazon.

00:26:45.000 When did it come out?

00:26:45.000 Yesterday.

00:26:46.000 Oh, beautiful.

00:26:47.000 I know.

00:26:48.000 So, it came out yesterday.

00:26:49.000 It's on Amazon.

00:26:50.000 It's on Apple TV. And you can Google the...

00:26:54.000 Because they...

00:26:56.000 Algorithms are just starting to catch up with it on Google right now because everyone's like, I can't find it.

00:27:01.000 Look up the program and then Google James Fox UFO documentary, the program.

00:27:05.000 You will 100% find it.

00:27:07.000 It's being also made available internationally.

00:27:10.000 They're working as fast as they can to get it up.

00:27:12.000 It just went up yesterday.

00:27:13.000 It's the most independent film from start to finish that I've ever made.

00:27:16.000 And it covers...

00:27:18.000 What happened, because everybody thinks the government suddenly had this epiphany to decide to be more transparent with the general public.

00:27:24.000 That's not what happened.

00:27:25.000 What happened is there were a couple of intel insiders in the Pentagon reviewing some of this classified data or so-called classified data and resigned in protest of excessive secrecy.

00:27:38.000 They found a loophole.

00:27:40.000 This is Lou, probably Jay Stratton.

00:27:43.000 I don't know for sure.

00:27:44.000 Definitely Chris Mellon.

00:27:47.000 And they walked these evidence tapes out of the Pentagon through this loophole.

00:27:51.000 They bent the rules a little bit and onto the front page of the New York Times, right?

00:27:55.000 So that happened and it got...

00:27:57.000 it was just...

00:27:58.000 it was exploded.

00:27:59.000 You remember that.

00:28:00.000 And since then, there has been this unprecedented push by a bipartisan group of lawmakers to find out what the intelligence agencies know and when they knew it.

00:28:12.000 And so that started happening behind the scenes, right?

00:28:16.000 So it was 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, In 2021, and then in 2022, they were like, we're having a Congressional hearing.

00:28:26.000 Congressman Andre Carson, I think he's in Wisconsin, but I'm not positive, he put on, he spearheaded the first open Congressional hearing, public open Congressional hearing.

00:28:34.000 And in that Congressional hearing, they acknowledged the fact that The phenomenon was real.

00:28:39.000 It was slowly introduced that we were not getting told the facts.

00:28:44.000 There was a document that came out called the Wilson Davis Memo.

00:28:49.000 And that was about the discovery by a former DIA guy, Admiral Wilson, of the crash retrieval program that was like maybe 20, 20 plus years ago.

00:28:58.000 And none of the names or anything in that document were redacted.

00:29:01.000 I cover that memo in the film.

00:29:03.000 And then...

00:29:05.000 2023, another congressional hearing.

00:29:07.000 This time it was David Grush talking about the crash-producible program.

00:29:09.000 It's been a steady progression.

00:29:11.000 And so a lot has gone on between 2017 and 2024. And that is what this film does, is it covers behind-the-scenes effort, bipartisan group of lawmakers' effort to find out what the intelligence agencies really know.

00:29:28.000 Yeah, and people that were, you know, and in one of them, there was an encounter, and I think I remember you hearing about it, because you wanted to get a hold of David Grush, and so you contacted me, and I actually had a drone up in the air in England, and I was like, I know.

00:29:42.000 And I had my phone attached to my drone thing, because that's what it was using as a controller for the screen.

00:29:49.000 And I'm flying the drone, and there was a huge windmill, and I saw this windmill, and I was like, oh, that's going to make a beautiful shot for the movie.

00:29:54.000 And it is in the movie.

00:29:55.000 So I'm up there flying it, and the wind, the turbines are going round.

00:30:02.000 how close my drone is to him.

00:30:04.000 So I'm paying really good attention, and I'm getting close to these big turbines, and all of a sudden my phone's ringing, and it's you.

00:30:04.000 Oh, no.

00:30:10.000 I'm like, oh, my God.

00:30:12.000 I can't not answer this.

00:30:13.000 I've got to answer.

00:30:14.000 So I answered it while my drone was up there.

00:30:16.000 Oh, no.

00:30:17.000 And we talked briefly, and you said, hey, can you get me in touch with David Grush?

00:30:20.000 I said, yeah, I got a guy that I can put you in touch with, and that was Jason Sands.

00:30:23.000 And I guess you and Jason Sands talked about this alleged encounter in 1994 with this entity, alien, whatever you want to call him, in the desert.

00:30:31.000 Yes.

00:30:32.000 So, that was a crazy story.

00:30:34.000 Crazy story.

00:30:35.000 But in any case, when you watch the movie and the program, you'll see the drone flying dangerously close to these, and that's a funny little inside thing.

00:30:42.000 So it didn't crash.

00:30:43.000 It didn't crash, but I was on the phone with you when it happened.

00:30:45.000 But when you watch the footage, it's like, wow, that's really close.

00:30:48.000 Is that guy public with that story?

00:30:49.000 He, well, so...

00:30:51.000 Because otherwise I would discuss it.

00:30:53.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:30:54.000 Because it sounded so nutty.

00:30:55.000 No, no, yeah.

00:30:56.000 Okay, so here's what happened.

00:30:57.000 This is funny because when I was in Washington, D.C. with Mellon and this gentleman, Jason Sands, I'm using his name now, and Mellon looked at me and he goes...

00:31:09.000 This guy's story's pretty wild.

00:31:11.000 I was like, what do you mean?

00:31:12.000 He goes, really wild.

00:31:14.000 And we're sitting down having dinner, and Chris Mellon orders, he orders a, he orders a drink.

00:31:20.000 He had a tequila, so whatever.

00:31:23.000 Anyway, and we were all having dinner, and Jason Sands starts telling the story about this alleged encounter in 1994, and it's one of the craziest stories, and I've been doing this for 30 years, and this story is nuts, okay?

00:31:34.000 You remember it.

00:31:35.000 Oh, yeah.

00:31:36.000 So, yeah, I went like this to my phone, and he was telling it to me like this as well.

00:31:39.000 Yeah, me too.

00:31:40.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:31:41.000 Me too. 1.00

00:31:43.000 It was one of those, wait, wait, what the fuck did you just say? 1.00

00:31:46.000 Insane. 1.00

00:31:47.000 Tell everybody what he said.

00:31:49.000 I will.

00:31:49.000 I'll get to that in one second.

00:31:51.000 This is the reason why I can discuss it publicly, I know.

00:31:54.000 The reason why I can discuss it publicly is because he was going to appear anonymously in the movie.

00:32:00.000 And I was debating on exactly how to go about doing this because I was torn because you got a statement from an individual.

00:32:07.000 You don't have his identity.

00:32:08.000 But I was in D.C. I put the whole thing down and I said, look, he was worried about his security.

00:32:13.000 He was a whistleblower.

00:32:14.000 He'd already testified to a number of Senate Intel Communities, Senate Armed Services Committee.

00:32:20.000 All about the UFO phenomenon?

00:32:21.000 Yeah, about the UFO phenomenon.

00:32:23.000 Part of the UOP task force, they found him and he was giving them information and reporting on things.

00:32:29.000 And so he goes, I'm really fearful.

00:32:32.000 I don't know if this witness protection program is going to be that helpful.

00:32:35.000 I'm just, I'm worried.

00:32:36.000 I said, look, if you're concerned about the story getting out or not getting out, if you want, I'm here.

00:32:40.000 You can come.

00:32:41.000 To our studio we could film you on camera and if anything happens to you it could be released and it could be a little insurance policy for yourself.

00:32:47.000 He goes, that sounds great.

00:32:48.000 Let's do it.

00:32:49.000 So I did a whole film about it and then I'm periodically posting clips or just still frames and updates on the movie as I'm making it as I do on social media and I posted this one scene and it had a clipboard in the scene and on that clipboard if you zoomed right in it had his name.

00:33:05.000 So I posted the, by accident, I posted the damn thing, and my phone starts blowing up ten minutes later.

00:33:11.000 You just revealed this guy. 0.94

00:33:13.000 What are you doing?

00:33:13.000 Take it down, take it down, take it down.

00:33:15.000 Too late.

00:33:16.000 So it was out there, and he's getting all kinds of heat.

00:33:20.000 So, as a result of it, I'm giving the truncated version, he basically had to go through the Dobser process, which is basically pre-publication of authorization of what you can and cannot say.

00:33:31.000 Excuse me.

00:33:31.000 So, he basically could talk about a number of cases that were in the film.

00:33:36.000 We had to blurp out one particular word, which in the movie, it's blurred out.

00:33:39.000 We had to do that.

00:33:40.000 That was Dobser.

00:33:41.000 So, it was the winter of 1994. There was an unidentified flying object that was picked up on the base.

00:33:55.000 Old school UFO. Yes, sir.

00:33:57.000 It was a UFO. It was picked up on the base, and it was recorded by sensory data, and it was picked up on camera.

00:34:04.000 It had camera footage of it from different locations.

00:34:07.000 What did it look like?

00:34:07.000 It looked like a weird shape.

00:34:10.000 It was an unusual shape, and there's people talking about it.

00:34:13.000 It's in the movie.

00:34:15.000 The film is in the movie?

00:34:16.000 The film footage that leaked from the base is in the movie.

00:34:19.000 So you can see what it looks like flying around?

00:34:20.000 Kind of, yeah.

00:34:21.000 It's kind of blurry in some spots.

00:34:23.000 Yeah, you'll see it.

00:34:26.000 It's in the program.

00:34:26.000 It's in the program, yeah.

00:34:27.000 And then you hear all the voices.

00:34:28.000 I actually had the voices cleaned up.

00:34:30.000 You can hear people talking about, what the hell is it?

00:34:32.000 Is there a clip we could see online?

00:34:35.000 Just so I could show people what it looks like? 0.99

00:34:37.000 Damn. 0.99

00:34:38.000 I'm sorry. 0.99

00:34:40.000 Could you maybe just say the actual name of the incident?

00:34:43.000 Maybe Jamie could find it.

00:34:44.000 Yeah, try and find it.

00:34:45.000 It's Nellis Test Range UFO 1994. See if you can find it.

00:34:50.000 People put stuff up so quick.

00:34:52.000 It's long and it's really bad.

00:34:53.000 Yeah, true.

00:34:53.000 Good point.

00:34:54.000 Because it's on Amazon right now.

00:34:55.000 People put clips up so quick.

00:34:56.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:34:57.000 Yeah, and there's other things on there.

00:34:59.000 So in any case, so that video...

00:35:02.000 Bam! 0.98

00:35:02.000 There it is. 0.98

00:35:02.000 Oh, that's terrible. 0.98

00:35:03.000 There's much better footage of it.

00:35:05.000 Yeah, there's much better footage of it.

00:35:07.000 It's in my movie.

00:35:07.000 I had it cleaned up.

00:35:08.000 But yeah, that's it, basically.

00:35:10.000 Can I see it again?

00:35:12.000 So that's what it looked like?

00:35:13.000 Wait, the footage I have is way better than this.

00:35:16.000 Yeah, sometimes it's...

00:35:17.000 So...

00:35:18.000 So, what did it look...

00:35:20.000 Jesus Christ, you know what that looks like, Jamie?

00:35:22.000 It's a very weird shape.

00:35:23.000 Jamie, you know what that looks like?

00:35:25.000 It looks like...

00:35:26.000 Looks like Terrence Howard's creation.

00:35:29.000 Doesn't it?

00:35:31.000 It's weird.

00:35:32.000 What is it?

00:35:32.000 What does he call that again?

00:35:34.000 But it was those things that lock together?

00:35:37.000 Those, you know, the flying drone thing that he created?

00:35:42.000 Linchpins?

00:35:43.000 Linchpins.

00:35:44.000 Terrence Howard created this fascinating concept for like a drone where it's like propellers going all these different directions and they sync up and they link together and it looks like that.

00:36:00.000 Oh, yeah.

00:36:01.000 So it's...

00:36:01.000 Anyway, so it's footage, people talking about it.

00:36:04.000 What is it?

00:36:04.000 We don't know.

00:36:05.000 It's not identified.

00:36:07.000 And it flies around the base.

00:36:08.000 And that leaked.

00:36:09.000 And the names of the witnesses leaked.

00:36:12.000 Three days later...

00:36:13.000 Can you explain...

00:36:14.000 Sorry to keep cutting you off, but can you just say what it did, like how it moved?

00:36:18.000 It just...

00:36:18.000 It was like...

00:36:19.000 It didn't have any visible means of propulsion.

00:36:21.000 It didn't have any wings.

00:36:22.000 It didn't have propellers.

00:36:23.000 It just looked like an object, a round sort of object...

00:36:27.000 Weird shape, almost like a helmet or something with things coming off of it.

00:36:31.000 And it was just moving around the base.

00:36:33.000 How fast?

00:36:34.000 Slowly.

00:36:36.000 There it is.

00:36:36.000 Oh, this is the footage?

00:36:37.000 Okay.

00:36:37.000 That's it.

00:36:38.000 That's exactly it.

00:36:40.000 It's definitely not a big balloon?

00:36:41.000 No, you hear everybody talking about it.

00:36:44.000 The audio that goes along with it, and I had it cleaned up, they're all talking.

00:36:48.000 Nobody knows what it is.

00:36:50.000 So this is Zoom?

00:36:52.000 Is this why it's moving around like that?

00:36:53.000 They're trying to keep it in focus and they're Zooming on it?

00:36:55.000 It's all...

00:36:56.000 Mr. Sands explains all of that in the film, the program.

00:37:00.000 He talks about it.

00:37:00.000 So anyway, so this leaks.

00:37:02.000 People's names, the witnesses leaks.

00:37:05.000 And...

00:37:07.000 Three days later, he's in a convoy.

00:37:10.000 Gesundheit.

00:37:11.000 He's in a convoy, and it's early in the morning, and there's three Jeeps, trucks, Jeeps, in convoy on a dirt road heading out Nellis Test Range.

00:37:21.000 And they see what looks like maybe somebody was involved in a plane crash.

00:37:26.000 There's somebody that was struggling out in the middle of the desert.

00:37:29.000 It was early in the morning.

00:37:30.000 It was wintertime and they're looking at this individual and they're like, oh my god, is that a person?

00:37:35.000 That individual needs some help.

00:37:37.000 That individual looks like they need some help.

00:37:39.000 They look cold.

00:37:40.000 Their skin had a slight blue tint to it.

00:37:42.000 And they're looking at this gentleman and they're like, hey, stop the convoy.

00:37:46.000 This person needs help, medical attention.

00:37:47.000 Maybe they had a plane crash and so we're going to help this person out.

00:37:51.000 And they pull the convoy over, and this individual comes up to the car.

00:37:58.000 Jason Sands gets out the right side of the door, and as he's getting out, somebody in the truck screams, he's got no effing ears.

00:38:06.000 And Jason says, he turns around and he looks at this guy, and he had the same kind of uniform that they had had on, but the uniform was just immaculate.

00:38:15.000 Like, there wasn't any dust on it, no dust on the boots.

00:38:18.000 And he was thinking to myself, well, that's weird.

00:38:20.000 This guy's got no ears.

00:38:22.000 Is this guy some kind of mutant?

00:38:23.000 And he looks at him and he said his eyes were a lot bigger.

00:38:26.000 It's all illustrated in the movie.

00:38:28.000 And then he starts talking like he said it was like a snake bite.

00:38:31.000 I mean, he was just paralyzed with fear.

00:38:33.000 It was really scary.

00:38:34.000 What am I looking at?

00:38:36.000 Is this a human?

00:38:37.000 Is this a mutant?

00:38:38.000 Is this an alien?

00:38:39.000 What is this?

00:38:40.000 And he starts talking to him in gibberish.

00:38:42.000 But he said he started to understand, like telepathically, everything this...

00:38:47.000 This person or entity, being, creature, alien, whatever you want to call it, was saying to him and he was looking for some kind of metal.

00:38:54.000 And he didn't know Tantillium.

00:38:56.000 And Jason's like, you know, I don't know.

00:39:00.000 I don't have any.

00:39:02.000 You mean titanium?

00:39:04.000 He's like, no, Tantillium or something.

00:39:07.000 And this conversation goes on for a bit, and then the guy just wanders back off and gets into that little craft that looked very similar to what you just saw there, and flies away, and he sort of stair-stepped away.

00:39:19.000 And everybody sort of came out of this comatose state, and off they went.

00:39:24.000 And we have the names of the other military witnesses that were on duty during the encounter, the alleged encounter.

00:39:31.000 People are going to criticize me because I'm reporting on a close encounter with a third guy.

00:39:34.000 But this, Jason Sands says he's willing to do a lie detector test like public.

00:39:41.000 He's willing to testify under oath that everything he's saying is true.

00:39:46.000 We have a date, we have a location, and we have the names of the other on-duty officers.

00:39:50.000 So what I'm hoping is, despite the level of criticism I'm going to receive for reporting on this, is that other individuals that have more information on this are going to be inclined to come forward.

00:39:59.000 I also met with people in the Senate Armed Service Committee, Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, sorry, in the House, and they said Jason Sands is who he says he is.

00:40:11.000 He checks out.

00:40:12.000 He's named previously classified or classified programs.

00:40:16.000 He's identified.

00:40:17.000 The guy's legit.

00:40:18.000 His credentials check out.

00:40:20.000 And so I opted to go ahead and report on it with the hope that more information will come out on it.

00:40:25.000 Listen, man, there's nothing wrong with reporting on a story like that.

00:40:29.000 There's been a bunch of them.

00:40:30.000 It's not a small number of these things where people have experienced these things.

00:40:34.000 And imagine if it's true.

00:40:36.000 If it's true, yeah.

00:40:37.000 They're not all liars. 0.63

00:40:37.000 I can't believe they're all liars. 0.63

00:40:39.000 But imagine being that person who had that experience and not have anybody believe you.

00:40:46.000 Not only that, but it could actually ruin your reputation and your career to talk about this experience, which is the reality of it.

00:40:52.000 And it's one of the things that stifled discourse on this until I think the New York Times really broke the ice.

00:40:59.000 I think in 2017 when they published that, all of a sudden serious people who were unwilling to talk about UFOs before just for the ridicule.

00:41:07.000 Now you've got the gimbal video, the go fast video, you've got fighter pilots, Commander David Fravor, you've got these people discussing these things openly and like, okay, this seems like something that a serious person can discuss now.

00:41:18.000 And so then it's open.

00:41:21.000 Actually meeting one and talking to...

00:41:24.000 It's like the Varginia story.

00:41:25.000 Like when I told people the cop picked it up and carried it in the car and the cop died from some horrible bacterial infection that they couldn't cure.

00:41:34.000 He was rubbing himself down with rubbing alcohol, according to his family.

00:41:37.000 He was like, this is greasy stuff on my skin.

00:41:40.000 And he was rubbing himself down and he had to stench, smell, grease.

00:41:44.000 And then I interviewed the doctors.

00:41:46.000 There's a couple of...

00:41:46.000 I'm actually going back to Brazil next month.

00:41:48.000 There were a couple of forensic pathologists that are willing to come forward that we're going to cover.

00:41:53.000 Kind of update the movie and re-release.

00:41:54.000 So it's an ongoing investigation.

00:41:56.000 Wouldn't that be the best protection from an alien planet's bacteria if you had the most vicious bacteria on the surface of your skin? 0.87

00:42:03.000 Right?

00:42:04.000 Like imagine, like if you go to another planet and the way to mitigate the effects of viruses and bacteria on that planet is to have skin fluid that's like unbelievably toxic.

00:42:16.000 Anything that comes near you just gets cooked.

00:42:18.000 Yeah, like a skunk.

00:42:19.000 Have you ever had a skunk?

00:42:19.000 Right.

00:42:21.000 Oh yeah, I had a skunk got my dog once.

00:42:24.000 I took out this guy's garbage one time, and he's like, hey, it's in my garage.

00:42:28.000 He flipped up the thing and dropped it in there.

00:42:30.000 So I was kind of hungover.

00:42:32.000 We had a party the night before, and I went out to the garbage can, and I kind of heard some rustling in the garbage can, but I didn't really think anything of it.

00:42:39.000 And I lifted up the thing, and then I heard some rustling again.

00:42:42.000 I put my head down inside, and the skunk just turned and got me right in the face.

00:42:47.000 Now, I held my breath, and I closed my eyes at the last second, and it went right through me.

00:42:52.000 It penetrated my molecules.

00:42:54.000 It was so powerful that it was paralyzing.

00:42:58.000 Absolutely paralyzing.

00:42:59.000 Can you imagine?

00:43:00.000 Just a smell.

00:43:01.000 That's their way of defense.

00:43:03.000 It's just this stench that just goes through your body and just paralyzes you.

00:43:08.000 That's crazy.

00:43:09.000 You got it in the mug, huh?

00:43:09.000 Anyway.

00:43:11.000 I got it right in the face. 0.87

00:43:12.000 How long did it take before you didn't stink? 0.91

00:43:14.000 Probably two weeks.

00:43:16.000 It was several weeks.

00:43:20.000 Yeah, and I tried the tomato, and I tried the baking soda.

00:43:23.000 I think they have special soap now, just for skunks.

00:43:27.000 But when my dog got zapped, she got zapped in like...

00:43:32.000 1980?

00:43:33.000 I think it was 1980, because I was living in Jamaica Plain.

00:43:36.000 And she went out in the backyard, and I think she thought that it was our cat, because we had a cat that was black and white.

00:43:42.000 And she just ran right up to that skunk, and it took her right in the side of her body. 0.81

00:43:48.000 She tried to turn away, but it got her all over her body. 0.64

00:43:51.000 She was wet with skunk spades.

00:43:53.000 It was so nasty.

00:43:55.000 I had to take her inside, and I had to do it, because she was my dog.

00:43:59.000 I was 13. I had to cover her with tomato juice and wash her down, and she still stunk. 1.00

00:44:05.000 The whole house stunk.

00:44:06.000 It's so funny, because I was getting ready for a road trip, this is a couple years ago, and I looked over, and I was like, did we walk Duke?

00:44:16.000 It was like 9 o'clock at night.

00:44:17.000 We were exhausted.

00:44:17.000 We packed everything up.

00:44:18.000 We had the car ready to go for the next morning.

00:44:20.000 It's like, did we walk Duke?

00:44:21.000 Did you walk Duke?

00:44:22.000 Take our dog.

00:44:23.000 So we died.

00:44:24.000 I was like, ah, it's 9 o'clock.

00:44:25.000 I just let him outside.

00:44:26.000 And I hear him like...

00:44:28.000 No!

00:44:29.000 And then he goes...

00:44:30.000 And I thought, oh, my God, he just got eaten.

00:44:33.000 Somebody just ate him.

00:44:34.000 I was like, oh, my gosh.

00:44:35.000 I ran out there to look for him.

00:44:36.000 And he comes running in.

00:44:37.000 He jumps in bed covered in scone.

00:44:39.000 The whole house.

00:44:41.000 Like, it was so, so strong.

00:44:44.000 It's unbelievable.

00:44:45.000 That smell is just like...

00:44:46.000 It's so incredible.

00:44:47.000 And the The way someone explains this to me, you know, like animals, like bloodhounds and bears, they have an insane sense of smell.

00:44:54.000 Oh God, like 100,000 times stronger than ours, right?

00:44:56.000 Right, but they can pick up parts per million the way we pick up skunk. 0.99

00:45:01.000 Really?

00:45:01.000 Yes.

00:45:01.000 Oh my God!

00:45:02.000 So think about that.

00:45:03.000 So if a skunk gets hit by a car like a mile away, you can smell it.

00:45:09.000 Have you ever driven in your car?

00:45:10.000 I don't know if it's a mile.

00:45:11.000 I could drive over it and then my car smells like it.

00:45:13.000 Yeah, but if you're in the neighborhood where a skunk got something, you could smell it.

00:45:17.000 Yeah.

00:45:18.000 For some strange reason.

00:45:19.000 It permeates.

00:45:20.000 It carries more than any other smell.

00:45:22.000 With dogs, that's how they smell everything.

00:45:25.000 They're like, oh, Ross goes home.

00:45:26.000 They can smell things that you can't even imagine they can smell, especially like a bloodhound.

00:45:31.000 And then a bear can smell like, what is a bear's ability to smell above a bloodhound?

00:45:38.000 It's something crazy.

00:45:40.000 My friend was- Sharks in the ocean can sense blood from miles away, right?

00:45:44.000 Miles.

00:45:45.000 Miles.

00:45:45.000 It's incredible.

00:45:46.000 Insane.

00:45:47.000 Miles away.

00:45:48.000 They can smell blood miles away.

00:45:50.000 Guys, something...

00:45:51.000 I remember...

00:45:52.000 Look at this.

00:45:53.000 300 times...

00:45:55.000 Look at this.

00:45:56.000 This is crazy.

00:45:57.000 Bears are the best sense of smell of any animal on Earth.

00:45:59.000 For example, average dog's sense of smell is 100 times better than a human's.

00:46:02.000 A bloodhound's is 300 times better.

00:46:04.000 A bear's sense of smell is 7 times than a bloodhound's.

00:46:08.000 Or 2,100 times better than a human's.

00:46:12.000 Unbelievable.

00:46:13.000 That's why they say when you go camping, put your food up in a tree or something, right?

00:46:16.000 Oh, 100%.

00:46:16.000 You have to.

00:46:17.000 Yeah, you can't have it in the tent at all.

00:46:19.000 Oh, when I was a kid, we went camping, and the bear broke open our cooler.

00:46:23.000 Yeah, people just had regular coolers back there.

00:46:25.000 If you'd have a little cookie in your pocket and be in your tent, you're going to have an issue.

00:46:29.000 Oh, 100%.

00:46:30.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:46:32.000 I remember when I was a kid, I went camping and they were like, don't have any food.

00:46:34.000 I was like, yeah, whatever.

00:46:36.000 No, no, no, put that stuff.

00:46:37.000 They were really adamant.

00:46:38.000 I was like, why are these guys making such a funk?

00:46:40.000 The bear's not going to smell a cookie in my pocket.

00:46:42.000 Of course they will.

00:46:44.000 They'll look at that like a wonton.

00:46:46.000 Look at that soft outer layer and there's meat inside of it.

00:46:49.000 They're going to look at that tent like it's trapped in there.

00:46:52.000 The meat is trapped in the tent.

00:46:54.000 This is crazy.

00:46:55.000 What was that one movie called where they got the Grizzly Man or something?

00:46:59.000 Yeah, Grizzly Man.

00:46:59.000 That's what it's called.

00:47:00.000 And they came and got him.

00:47:01.000 He thought he became one with the Grizzlies and then he got eaten.

00:47:04.000 That's a very complicated movie.

00:47:05.000 That's a Werner Herzog film.

00:47:07.000 Yeah, Werner Herzog.

00:47:08.000 Yes.

00:47:08.000 It's a really funny movie.

00:47:09.000 And the camera was rolling.

00:47:10.000 And they played it.

00:47:12.000 Sort of.

00:47:12.000 The camera was rolling, but the lens cap was on, so there was an audio.

00:47:16.000 So it's just audio.

00:47:16.000 Yeah.

00:47:17.000 That's even worse.

00:47:18.000 The audio, by the way, folks, the audio you hear on the internet, that's fake.

00:47:21.000 Oh, it is.

00:47:21.000 That's not the real one.

00:47:22.000 The real audio, Werner Herzog told the lady to destroy it.

00:47:26.000 Destroy it.

00:47:27.000 No one should hear this. 0.98

00:47:29.000 So he heard it.

00:47:29.000 Yeah, he heard it.

00:47:31.000 It's long, you know, because bears don't kill you, they eat you.

00:47:34.000 You know, like a salmon.

00:47:35.000 They don't kill salmon.

00:47:36.000 They just put their paw down and start pulling chunks off of it.

00:47:39.000 That's what they do with people, too.

00:47:41.000 That's terrifying.

00:47:42.000 Well, they don't have any predators.

00:47:44.000 So they don't have to kill things and then, you know, worry about someone taking it from them. 0.99

00:47:49.000 You're not taking shit from a bear. 0.99

00:47:50.000 Especially a grizzly bear. 1.00

00:47:52.000 You're not taking shit from a bear. 1.00

00:47:53.000 Unless you're a bigger bear. 0.99

00:47:55.000 So, like, all the other animals have to worry.

00:47:58.000 Like, mountain lions kill quick because wolves will steal from mountain lions.

00:48:01.000 And apparently in the areas where wolves have been introduced, it's actually become a problem because mountain lions are killing much more than they normally do.

00:48:10.000 Because mountain lions will kill, like, a deer, two deer a week, something like that.

00:48:15.000 And eat two deer a week.

00:48:17.000 That's a lot of meat. 0.81

00:48:18.000 Well, they're big.

00:48:19.000 A big mountain lion is, you know, 150 pounds.

00:48:22.000 It's a big cat.

00:48:24.000 Their cats are just...

00:48:25.000 They're obligate predators.

00:48:27.000 All they eat is meat.

00:48:28.000 You know, bears will eat a little berries. 1.00

00:48:29.000 They'll eat a bunch of shit. 1.00

00:48:30.000 Not cats. 1.00

00:48:31.000 So the cats are killing more because the wolves scare the cats off of the kill. 0.93

00:48:37.000 So if the cat's on a kill and a bunch of wolves show up, the cat will just get the fuck out of there. 1.00

00:48:41.000 Like, fuck this. 1.00

00:48:41.000 Because he feels he doesn't want to defend himself against the wolves? 1.00

00:48:44.000 Exactly.

00:48:45.000 Because wolves hunt in packs.

00:48:46.000 So there might be 13, 14 wolves and one cat. 0.93

00:48:49.000 The cat will just get the fuck out of there. 1.00

00:48:51.000 Cats run from dogs. 0.98

00:48:53.000 Right?

00:48:53.000 Like, they have a fear of, like, canines.

00:48:56.000 And I think it's from wolves stealing their food.

00:48:59.000 So, like, that's how they hunt cats.

00:49:01.000 The way they hunt them, you have to tree them.

00:49:03.000 Because otherwise, you're not going to find them.

00:49:04.000 If you find a mountain lion...

00:49:06.000 What do you mean by tree them?

00:49:06.000 You have to get the dogs to bark them up a tree.

00:49:09.000 Oh, wow.

00:49:09.000 So they run up a tree and then they shoot them when they're in a tree.

00:49:11.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:49:12.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:49:12.000 It sounds cruel, but listen, they have to do that to manage the populations. 1.00

00:49:17.000 If they don't, they start eating dogs.

00:49:19.000 That's what you get in San Francisco.

00:49:21.000 California still kills mountain lions.

00:49:23.000 They kill as many mountain lions as they would if they gave tags out to people to kill them, because you have to kill certain numbers of them for depredation, because they'll start killing livestock, they'll start killing dogs.

00:49:36.000 In the Bay Area, the problem cats that they wound up killing in San Francisco, half their diet was pets.

00:49:44.000 Really?

00:49:45.000 Half their diet.

00:49:46.000 Half their diet was house cats, dogs and cats.

00:49:50.000 That's half their diet.

00:49:51.000 Half of their diet.

00:49:53.000 So you manage, you know, a hundred plus pound cat and he's running around just eating dogs.

00:49:59.000 You leave your dog in your backyard, gone.

00:50:02.000 Happens all the time.

00:50:03.000 Wow.

00:50:03.000 It happened to my dog.

00:50:04.000 Really?

00:50:05.000 Yeah, my dog in Colorado got eaten by a mountain lion.

00:50:08.000 It happens.

00:50:09.000 Oh God, I feel so bad for my little guy.

00:50:11.000 It's terrible.

00:50:12.000 I'm not there to protect my little feller.

00:50:14.000 You know, one time I was hiking up this mountain, and I had my son with me at the time, and he was in that little pouch, you know, that little pouch that you put in the front?

00:50:23.000 He was probably like maybe two, two and a half.

00:50:26.000 And I was hiking this mountain pretty daily.

00:50:28.000 It's funny, actually, because when I went up there without him, I was like, well, this is why people hike with weights on.

00:50:32.000 This feels amazing.

00:50:32.000 I could run up this mountain.

00:50:34.000 Anyway, I was going to the mountain, and I had my dog, my little Duke, and I had my son walking up this mountain, and I come around this, like, go to the left hand.

00:50:44.000 It's pretty exposed, not too many trees, some bushes, and it's a hot, sunny day, and I see this leg of a deer, like, just fresh kill with blood on the ground.

00:50:53.000 I was like, God! 0.99

00:50:54.000 Damn, what the hell? 0.99

00:50:56.000 Wow, that's fresh. 1.00

00:50:58.000 I was like, huh.

00:50:59.000 I kind of keep going and come around the corner and there's a long straightaway.

00:51:02.000 The hill goes up like this.

00:51:05.000 And I see what looks like a big, like, greyhound dog.

00:51:11.000 Kind of like brown.

00:51:13.000 Kind of walking kind of back and forth like this with a tail.

00:51:15.000 And I was like, man, who the hell is greyhound is doing out here? 1.00

00:51:18.000 Like, what the hell is...

00:51:20.000 That's a mountain lion. 1.00

00:51:21.000 I was like, holy shit. 0.99

00:51:23.000 And the mountain lion turns around and looked at me. 1.00

00:51:25.000 And I had my kid. 0.99

00:51:27.000 I was like, shit, I... So I grabbed my dog, and I turned around, and I started running, and I knew that I shouldn't be running. 0.99

00:51:34.000 So I'm running going, I shouldn't be running, I shouldn't be running, I know I shouldn't be running, but I wanted to get around the corner and get out of its line of sight.

00:51:43.000 And then I go...

00:51:44.000 I go, well, if he comes up on me, I'm going to have to throw my dog.

00:51:48.000 I was like, I looked at Duke, and if it comes down to it, Duke, you're going to have to take one for the team.

00:51:53.000 Oh, my God.

00:51:54.000 That's a horrible choice.

00:51:55.000 It was a horrible choice, but I had my son.

00:51:57.000 Of course.

00:51:58.000 I get it.

00:51:58.000 But I remember looking at him, and I was looking at my dog going, oh, man, this is a horrible decision I have to make, but if it comes down to it, I'm going to have to sacrifice you, buddy.

00:52:06.000 I love you.

00:52:07.000 But it didn't come down to it. 1.00

00:52:08.000 But I remember running going, you're an idiot, James. 1.00

00:52:10.000 Why are you running? 1.00

00:52:10.000 You're not supposed to be running. 1.00

00:52:11.000 You can't run.

00:52:12.000 Well, that's the problem with mountain bikers.

00:52:13.000 They get got because when they pass by a cat, it's almost like rolling a ball of yarn past a kitten.

00:52:20.000 They're predators.

00:52:22.000 And they'll catch bikes, huh?

00:52:24.000 Oh, yeah, they get people on bikes.

00:52:26.000 Yeah, that's happened a few times.

00:52:27.000 They get people on bikes.

00:52:29.000 They get joggers, people on bikes.

00:52:30.000 They think you're running away from them.

00:52:32.000 Could you imagine what it was like to be running for your life, having something like that chase you?

00:52:37.000 Yeah, I can.

00:52:38.000 I mean, it hasn't happened to me, but I've seen them.

00:52:40.000 I've seen three of them in my lifetime, only one of them that scared the shit out of me.

00:52:45.000 I saw one in Colorado.

00:52:46.000 I saw one in Montecito, like the Santa Barbara area.

00:52:51.000 It was small.

00:52:52.000 Those are small ones.

00:52:53.000 They were like 50, 60 pounds.

00:52:54.000 And then I saw one with a buddy of mine, my friend Colton and I. We spotted one under a tree that was 30 yards away.

00:52:59.000 We were in a truck and it made me shit my pants. 0.97

00:53:02.000 Wow. 0.96

00:53:02.000 It was so big. 0.96

00:53:04.000 This one was really big. 1.00

00:53:05.000 This was a mature male with a big pumpkin head and huge forearms like a fucking bodybuilder. 1.00

00:53:11.000 It was freaky. 1.00

00:53:12.000 It was freaky to see.

00:53:14.000 You know, it was, first of all, it was dusk.

00:53:18.000 So the sun was going down and the lights of the truck, even though it wasn't quite dark yet, the lights of the truck were making his eyes glow.

00:53:25.000 Oh my god.

00:53:26.000 And you could see him with the naked eye, but then I put my binoculars on.

00:53:29.000 And so I've got these 10 power binoculars and I'm zoomed in on this thing's face. 0.99

00:53:33.000 I'm like, holy shit. 0.99

00:53:34.000 Looks like he belongs in Africa. 1.00

00:53:36.000 Well, he belonged right where he was, man.

00:53:38.000 We didn't belong there.

00:53:40.000 Let me tell you a really cool story that's a UFO, the best UFO picture I think has ever taken.

00:53:45.000 Do you have it?

00:53:46.000 Can I look at it or are you going to tease me?

00:53:47.000 No, no, no.

00:53:48.000 We're going to look for it.

00:53:49.000 Okay, so can you find the program trailer on here at all?

00:53:54.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:53:55.000 Find the program trailer.

00:53:56.000 I'm going to tell you about this.

00:53:57.000 Is this the trailer?

00:53:58.000 Yeah, this is the trailer.

00:53:58.000 Let's just watch the trailer.

00:53:59.000 Let's watch it.

00:54:01.000 Exposing a secret government program investigating UFOs.

00:54:07.000 That story was kind of a catalyst for a lot of things that have happened since.

00:54:11.000 Members of Congress started to ask questions.

00:54:13.000 Instruments report there is something there.

00:54:15.000 There are flight characteristics that we can't explain.

00:54:19.000 UAPs are unexplained.

00:54:20.000 It's true.

00:54:21.000 They need to be investigated.

00:54:23.000 Here we are having a hearing where just a few years ago we didn't even acknowledge that these things were real.

00:54:29.000 Do you believe that our government is in possession of UAPs?

00:54:33.000 Absolutely, based on interviewing over 40 witnesses over four years.

00:54:37.000 You're telling me people have come forward claiming first-hand knowledge of craft of non-human origin?

00:54:44.000 That's correct.

00:54:45.000 We have sources who have asserted not only that there have been crashes, but there have been crash retrievals.

00:54:55.000 Do we have the bodies of the pilots who piloted this craft?

00:54:58.000 Biologics came with some of these recoveries, yeah.

00:55:02.000 Were they human or non-human?

00:55:04.000 Non-human.

00:55:07.000 I'm sitting here today because the American people are being lied to.

00:55:12.000 We are the American government, and we are open, and we're going to be open about this.

00:55:17.000 What has been revealed, non-human intelligence exists, non-human intelligence has been interacting with humanity, is only part of the story.

00:55:25.000 The pressure's on.

00:55:26.000 The Pentagon, the CIA are going to have to answer the mail.

00:55:29.000 Some are risking everything.

00:55:31.000 Have you had incidences that have caused you to be in fear for your life?

00:55:34.000 Yes, personally.

00:55:36.000 To uncover the rest.

00:55:37.000 What is being done to verify the assertion that the US government has spaceships of non-human intelligence in their possession?

00:55:43.000 That kind of revelation unearths people's beliefs.

00:55:48.000 I would go to jail to say things that I've been exposed to in the program.

00:55:56.000 Bro, is that Mick Jagger?

00:55:58.000 Was that other guy Mick Jagger?

00:56:00.000 Isn't he amazing?

00:56:01.000 That's Hal Puthoff.

00:56:02.000 Hal Puthoff?

00:56:03.000 Oh, yeah, I know!

00:56:04.000 Does it look like Mick Jagger?

00:56:05.000 That's not Mick Jagger?

00:56:05.000 That's Gary McKinnon!

00:56:07.000 He's the biggest computer hacker in history.

00:56:10.000 Let me see what he looks like.

00:56:10.000 He almost went to jail for life because he was like, I'm gonna find out what the government knows about UFOs.

00:56:16.000 So he hacked into the systems.

00:56:19.000 NSA, CIA, DIA, like...

00:56:23.000 Where is he?

00:56:24.000 Yeah.

00:56:24.000 Oh, you want to see that really cool picture?

00:56:26.000 No, in the film.

00:56:28.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:56:28.000 You've got to go towards the end.

00:56:29.000 He looks exactly like Mick Jagger.

00:56:31.000 That's really funny you should say that because I saw it and I'm like, wait a minute.

00:56:35.000 That does look like a rock star.

00:56:36.000 He is a rock star in the UFO community.

00:56:38.000 It's coming up.

00:56:39.000 You'll have to pause it quickly when it hits.

00:56:42.000 But Gary McKinnon took it upon himself, a computer hacker, to find out if the government had proof of alien visitation.

00:56:52.000 And he spent a couple years hacking systems, and he got paydirt.

00:56:56.000 There he is.

00:56:57.000 That was it.

00:56:58.000 Bro, that's Mick Jagger.

00:56:59.000 Doesn't it look like Mick Jagger?

00:57:00.000 It does look like Mick Jagger.

00:57:02.000 Mick Jagger's into UFOs.

00:57:03.000 You should just only show that clip, you know, like they do in horror movies where the mask is not that good.

00:57:07.000 It's real quick.

00:57:08.000 Yeah.

00:57:09.000 But so, well, I was going to tell you, there's a photograph of a jet circulating.

00:57:13.000 Can I go into a little bit of detail?

00:57:15.000 Yes, please, please.

00:57:15.000 Because everyone's always worried about, like, where's the good evidence?

00:57:17.000 Where's the good photograph?

00:57:18.000 Show me that photograph again.

00:57:19.000 So it's, yeah, there we go.

00:57:22.000 This was a lost photograph that was recovered, correct?

00:57:25.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:57:25.000 You know about this?

00:57:26.000 Yeah, I know about this.

00:57:27.000 Okay, so I heard about this in the late 90s.

00:57:29.000 Tell everybody about it.

00:57:29.000 Okay, so there was a guy, Nick Pope, who investigated as part of the UFO desk at the Ministry of Defense of England in the late 90s, mid to late 90s.

00:57:39.000 Maybe in as late as early 2000s.

00:57:41.000 But in any case, and I was interviewing him for a number of my films.

00:57:44.000 I did a film called Out of the Blue, I Know What I Saw, before I did The Phenomenon.

00:57:49.000 And I asked him, like, hey, man, you were a part of the UFO desk at the MOD. What was the best case you ever saw?

00:57:56.000 And he goes, oh, man.

00:57:59.000 1990. He didn't give me the town.

00:58:01.000 It was Calvine.

00:58:02.000 But he said, Scotland, there were two poachers.

00:58:05.000 They called them hikers, but they were actually poaching.

00:58:08.000 And so it made me think about this when we were talking about animals earlier.

00:58:11.000 And he said it was late in the afternoon.

00:58:14.000 They were in a place.

00:58:15.000 I now know it's called Calvine.

00:58:17.000 And they came upon, in this relatively remote area, I know because I hiked out to the exact spot, and it's in the movie, but And they came upon this diamond-shaped or disc-shaped object that was quite large that was hovering silently really close.

00:58:35.000 I mean close.

00:58:36.000 And they were scared to death and they were kind of hiding out underneath this tree and they're looking at this thing like, what the are we looking at?

00:58:44.000 And they're looking at this thing as it's silently hovering.

00:58:46.000 Remember, this is 1990, okay?

00:58:50.000 And one of them had a camera.

00:58:52.000 And just as he was considering taking his camera out, a military jet came in.

00:58:58.000 Turns out it was one of those Harrier jet.

00:59:01.000 They think it was a Harrier jet.

00:59:02.000 And it came out into the scene and it flew all the way around the disc.

00:59:07.000 And as it did so, the guy mustered up the courage, came out from under the tree, and he snapped five or six photographs of this object suspended in the air, and it went...

00:59:18.000 So the disc is here, and the plane is flying around.

00:59:22.000 It's click, click, click, click, click, click.

00:59:26.000 And the reason why I know this is because the individual who kept one of the prints, thank you very much, Craig Lindsay, RAF Press Officer, and thank you, David Clark, for uncovering this because it's the most amazing picture ever.

00:59:40.000 And the two hotel workers just outside the town of Calvine, Scotland, Came back and they were like telling their co-workers, oh my god, we encountered this thing, we don't know what it was.

00:59:51.000 So they go to the local newspaper and they were like, hey man, we just filmed something in the sky.

00:59:55.000 We got six prints of it.

00:59:57.000 It was 35mm film footage, right?

01:00:01.000 And they're going to go public with their story.

01:00:04.000 Two witnesses, broad daylight, a UFO, points of reference, with a military jet flying around, five or six prints.

01:00:12.000 That's pretty solid evidence, right?

01:00:15.000 So, uh...

01:00:16.000 The local newspaper was like, they're about to go public with it, print the story, and they were like, well, we need a statement from the RAF. So they contacted the press officer, Craig Lindsay, and they were like, hey, what do you make of this UFO these guys took?

01:00:29.000 And Craig Lindsay goes, I don't know what you're talking about.

01:00:32.000 I haven't seen the picture.

01:00:34.000 You haven't seen it?

01:00:34.000 Well, let me send you a print.

01:00:35.000 This is the newspaper. 0.99

01:00:38.000 Sends him a print, big print like this, the one you see today, and he's like, holy shit, the hell is this? 0.90

01:00:47.000 He's an RAF press officer, Craig Lindsay, and he's like, so he starts getting in touch with the MOD and he goes out and he investigates this, go talk to the witnesses, talk to the witnesses, and they were telling him, And he goes, well, they tell him what happened, and he goes, well, what kind of noise did it make? 0.57

01:01:01.000 And they say, it didn't make any noise.

01:01:03.000 He goes, no noise?

01:01:05.000 That's impossible.

01:01:06.000 An object that can hover like that in the sky for that period of time?

01:01:10.000 We're talking 34 years ago.

01:01:11.000 It didn't make any noise?

01:01:13.000 And the witness said, no.

01:01:16.000 So he was like, holy, this is crazy.

01:01:18.000 So he takes a color Xeroxing machine, and he sends it to the MOD in London, and he says, hey, there's a case that you might want to look into, and here's a Xerox, which is really crappy.

01:01:30.000 It's just a scanned Xerox, like a fax machine, over to MOD. He said he went from the office where the Xerox machine was, and before he can get back to his office, his phone was ringing off the hook.

01:01:41.000 MOD. And the MOD basically stepped in, took over the investigation.

01:01:46.000 They said, you can step down to Craig Lindsay.

01:01:48.000 He steps down.

01:01:49.000 He keeps the print, right?

01:01:51.000 He steps down.

01:01:53.000 They take over.

01:01:54.000 Witnesses gone.

01:01:55.000 Five or six prints gone.

01:01:58.000 Story killed, right?

01:02:01.000 So, 30, and we'd rumored about it because Nick Pope had talked about this case in a book he wrote called Open Skies, Closed Minds.

01:02:10.000 And then I talked to him about it in late 90s, then I talked to him about it again in the early 2000s, and I was like, Nick, especially in 2007, I was like, tell me about this photograph.

01:02:19.000 And he's like, oh, it was incredible.

01:02:20.000 We had a big poster of it on the wall, the MOD, and I was like, well, where is it?

01:02:24.000 He goes, well, I don't know.

01:02:25.000 I stepped down.

01:02:26.000 I'm no longer at the UFO desk.

01:02:28.000 And I said, well, they didn't just throw that away.

01:02:30.000 Why don't you get in touch with the people that were there and find out?

01:02:33.000 He's like, oh, you know, James, I can't just make those inquiries.

01:02:35.000 We killed the story.

01:02:37.000 It was like, you know, so I was incredibly frustrated.

01:02:39.000 So discreetly for over a 20-year period, I was making inquiries because I don't like letting things go, right?

01:02:44.000 It was like, this picture exists.

01:02:46.000 And bloody hell, let's get this one out there.

01:02:48.000 But... 0.88

01:02:49.000 The story went dark.

01:02:50.000 So David Clark found Craig Lindsay, and the way he found Craig Lindsay, the guy that kept one of the prints, is that he got a declassified government document out of the MOD's office that had redactions on it.

01:03:04.000 And one of the things it said was, it was 1990, and they said, RAF press officer in Scotland, blacked out, you know, said that blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:03:14.000 And he was like, huh.

01:03:16.000 Who was the RAF press officer in 1990 in Scotland?

01:03:19.000 Craig Lindsay.

01:03:20.000 Boom, contacts Craig Lindsay.

01:03:22.000 They started communication going, and then after like...

01:03:25.000 So much for redactions.

01:03:26.000 Yeah, so much for redactions, right?

01:03:28.000 And so this whole dialogue starts going, developing a...

01:03:33.000 And then he goes, well, gosh, I guess I might have one.

01:03:37.000 It turns out he ended up keeping one of those prints, which he had.

01:03:41.000 And that story broke probably two years ago.

01:03:43.000 David Clark, again, I can't thank you enough.

01:03:45.000 You deserve accolades for this.

01:03:47.000 And so I flew to England.

01:03:49.000 I met with David Clark and his crew, the people that did the analysis work.

01:03:52.000 Then I went up to Scotland.

01:03:53.000 I met with Craig Lindsay, the RF press officer, gave me the first and only on-camera interview about it, what astonished him about it, the analysis work they did on it, what the witnesses said.

01:04:02.000 But we didn't have the witnesses.

01:04:05.000 The people that took the photograph.

01:04:06.000 We didn't have them, but I was going to report on this anyway, just because, wow, this is the picture that we've all been waiting for.

01:04:12.000 This picture is phenomenal.

01:04:13.000 But if you don't have provenance and you don't have the background story on it, it could be AI, it could be right, it could be a hoax.

01:04:19.000 Some people call it a reflection.

01:04:21.000 Not a reflection, not a hoax.

01:04:24.000 I'm ending production of the program, and I get a text from David Clark, and he goes, something big's about to happen.

01:04:33.000 And I said, what?

01:04:34.000 He goes, just sit tight.

01:04:35.000 I can't go public right now, but something big's about to happen.

01:04:37.000 There's a new development.

01:04:38.000 I hate teases.

01:04:39.000 Well...

01:04:40.000 I'm coming out with it.

01:04:41.000 I promise.

01:04:41.000 But he teased you.

01:04:42.000 I hate it.

01:04:43.000 He did tease me.

01:04:44.000 But I was like, well, I'm almost done with the movie.

01:04:46.000 And if this is something I can include in the movie about the case, please let me know.

01:04:49.000 So long story short, this guy, Richard Greaves, who was one of the hotel cooks, worked in the kitchen with the photographers, with the two witnesses that took the photograph.

01:04:59.000 And Richard Greaves came forward on print.

01:05:03.000 But I contacted David Clark.

01:05:05.000 I was like, hey, can you get me an interview with this guy?

01:05:09.000 So he kept putting it off, putting it off, putting it off, and then finally, I didn't want to be persistent, but I didn't want to annoy the guy to the point where he's like, hey, you know what? 1.00

01:05:19.000 Fuck you. 1.00

01:05:21.000 You're being annoying. 1.00

01:05:22.000 But I got it right up to that point, where I was like, I was wrapping the movie.

01:05:27.000 The movie's done, and I want to get this movie out, because all the people that participated wanted it out.

01:05:31.000 And then I finally sent him one final text, and I was like, look, I'm really sorry to pastor you, and I know you're probably really busy, and I really appreciate the fact that you even said that you'll meet me, but that you'll give me an interview.

01:05:41.000 And then probably about 10 o'clock that night, I'm in the edit room buttoning the film up, and all of a sudden I get a phone call, and he's like, I've just come out of the pub, and I'm ready to go.

01:05:49.000 I was like, okay, grab a camera, roll it, let's record this.

01:05:54.000 And he reveals that he knew the witnesses.

01:05:59.000 He worked with them in the kitchen.

01:06:01.000 He gave all the specifics.

01:06:02.000 He provided their names.

01:06:03.000 And then he said that two or three nights, four nights after they took that photograph, they were all on a cigarette break at the hotel early evening, pissing rain.

01:06:14.000 He said a car rolled up.

01:06:16.000 There were three guys in it, a driver and two men in suits in the back.

01:06:19.000 They roll up, they come out, they say cigarette breaks over, they pull the two witnesses aside, and they grill him.

01:06:27.000 And you got to hear it directly from the horse's mouth.

01:06:29.000 Richard Greaves said that when they were all, the people that were not involved with the incident were told to go back inside the hotel, which they did, but they looked through the window and they saw in the pissing rain, he said they were out there for 10 or 15 minutes in the pissing rain, And that these guys, they came back inside and they were white as a... 0.99

01:06:46.000 He literally goes, they came back inside and they were white as a fucking ghost! 0.99

01:06:54.000 Which we all get a good laugh out of. 0.99

01:06:56.000 And then they started drinking heavily and within a couple of weeks they vanished without a trace and they've been gone ever since.

01:07:02.000 So we report on this.

01:07:03.000 And yeah, that's a replica.

01:07:07.000 It's way too clear.

01:07:08.000 That's a replica from Nick Pope that he did for some series talking about it.

01:07:13.000 And that was before the real photograph was found and printed.

01:07:17.000 Let's see the real photograph again.

01:07:18.000 Yeah, show the real photograph again.

01:07:20.000 I got it in...

01:07:20.000 There it is.

01:07:21.000 Yep.

01:07:21.000 Okay, so what was he doing?

01:07:23.000 Show the fake one one more time.

01:07:26.000 Yeah, that's a recreation before it leaked out.

01:07:28.000 So was he just recreating what he remembered?

01:07:30.000 Yes.

01:07:30.000 Can we see the real one again?

01:07:31.000 It's pretty damn good, isn't it, that he remembered that?

01:07:33.000 Not bad.

01:07:34.000 Not bad.

01:07:34.000 Missed the barbed wire fence, but not mad.

01:07:36.000 Put in a bunch of bullshit background. 0.98

01:07:37.000 I went to the exact location. 1.00

01:07:39.000 What all the bullshit he put in there? 1.00

01:07:40.000 Put in beautiful hills. 1.00

01:07:41.000 I know.

01:07:42.000 And that fence is still there.

01:07:45.000 Go back to the real one?

01:07:46.000 Yeah, that fence is still there.

01:07:47.000 I took a modern...

01:07:48.000 So what is that jet in the background?

01:07:50.000 A Harrier jet is what I'm told.

01:07:52.000 They're 99% sure.

01:07:53.000 And was that Harrier jet...

01:07:55.000 Trying to figure out what this was?

01:07:57.000 Well, like I said, in the other prints, according to Craig Lindsay, the RAF press officer, he said the other six prints or five prints had that Harrier jet in a different position.

01:08:07.000 So he said it was as if the Harrier jet flew around checking that out.

01:08:12.000 Where are those other prints?

01:08:12.000 We have other M.O.D. just ever gone.

01:08:16.000 They killed the story.

01:08:17.000 I mean, the guy at the M.O.D. who worked there, Nick Pope, told me that they did everything they could to squash it because...

01:08:22.000 Don't you think they probably have it filed away somewhere?

01:08:24.000 Of course they do.

01:08:25.000 Of course they didn't throw those pictures away.

01:08:27.000 They killed the story.

01:08:27.000 Can you zoom in on this, Jeremy, please?

01:08:29.000 Yeah, that's a really crap copy.

01:08:30.000 You're looking at a really bad prank, you guys. 0.82

01:08:32.000 Could you zoom it in?

01:08:33.000 I've got a much better version of it.

01:08:36.000 You got it on your phone?

01:08:37.000 I do.

01:08:38.000 Text it to a homie. 0.99

01:08:39.000 This image is weird.

01:08:44.000 It's hard to see what you're looking at, you know?

01:08:48.000 It's, yeah, well let me show you a much better copy of it.

01:08:51.000 Hang on, let me just scroll up here because I've got a really good, I got the original print of this copy.

01:08:57.000 But, you know, people talk about, you know, the more compelling data and the lengths.

01:09:02.000 So this is...

01:09:03.000 This is the photograph that I took at the site.

01:09:07.000 You can get an idea of that.

01:09:08.000 Okay.

01:09:09.000 See how...

01:09:09.000 That's what it looks like.

01:09:10.000 Right?

01:09:10.000 How similar, right?

01:09:11.000 Yeah, it looks exactly the same.

01:09:12.000 Yep.

01:09:13.000 And then here is...

01:09:14.000 Here's the print.

01:09:17.000 And I could text that to you guys if you want.

01:09:21.000 Yeah, text that to me.

01:09:23.000 I'll text it to James.

01:09:23.000 I'll text it to you guys.

01:09:24.000 Send both of them.

01:09:25.000 It's very interesting.

01:09:27.000 Very interesting case.

01:09:28.000 I mean, again, I think it's one of the best photographic cases because you're not dealing with just a UFO. You've got a military jet in the background.

01:09:36.000 And if you have a date and a location, guess what?

01:09:38.000 That pilot's still out there.

01:09:40.000 That pilot probably got it on radar and probably got gun cam for it.

01:09:44.000 If he's still alive.

01:09:44.000 Well, he would have been probably...

01:09:46.000 Young, right?

01:09:47.000 Pilots are young.

01:09:48.000 He would have been in his 30s or maybe early 40s, and that was 34 years ago.

01:09:52.000 So chances are he's still alive.

01:09:53.000 They're pretty fit, right?

01:09:54.000 Yeah, maybe he's in his 70s.

01:09:55.000 Okay, I'm going to text this to you right now.

01:09:58.000 Here we go.

01:10:00.000 Boom.

01:10:01.000 You should have that.

01:10:03.000 Did I get you all?

01:10:03.000 Did I get all of them to you?

01:10:05.000 And here is a picture of Craig Lindsay.

01:10:07.000 This is great.

01:10:08.000 You're going to love this.

01:10:13.000 Okay, this is the guy that kept it.

01:10:16.000 I didn't get it yet.

01:10:17.000 You didn't?

01:10:18.000 No.

01:10:18.000 I wonder if it's because I have my phone on airplane mode.

01:10:20.000 Yeah, take it off airplane mode, bro.

01:10:21.000 I told you to do that.

01:10:22.000 Oh, you did?

01:10:22.000 I was trying to explain to you.

01:10:23.000 Oh, sorry.

01:10:24.000 Okay, it's off now.

01:10:25.000 I'm sorry.

01:10:25.000 Otherwise, it won't actually send it.

01:10:27.000 Oh, it won't.

01:10:27.000 Okay.

01:10:28.000 All right.

01:10:28.000 Here we go.

01:10:29.000 It's like dealing with my dad.

01:10:31.000 I know.

01:10:31.000 I'm so bad.

01:10:32.000 I know.

01:10:32.000 You were telling me how to do it.

01:10:33.000 I was like, I haven't done that before.

01:10:35.000 It's funny.

01:10:36.000 People don't understand how to use their phones.

01:10:37.000 Tell me if that goes through.

01:10:39.000 Okay.

01:10:40.000 I'm waiting.

01:10:40.000 No, it's still.

01:10:41.000 Okay.

01:10:44.000 Great, great shot.

01:10:46.000 Do you need me to send it?

01:10:47.000 Here, you do it.

01:10:48.000 Here, there's that one, and there's flip left to right on it.

01:10:52.000 But, you know, it just goes to show the lengths that the Intel community, the Ministry of Defense, the DOD go to hide the more compelling photographic data, because it's so easy to complain, like, oh, well, if they were real, there would be good...

01:11:08.000 Well, there are some really good prints.

01:11:10.000 Bro, you got Joe Exotic in your phone.

01:11:12.000 God!

01:11:14.000 You guys are looking at other stuff.

01:11:16.000 I found drones that you can...

01:11:17.000 I don't know that they're commercially available.

01:11:18.000 Did you get all the ones you wanted?

01:11:20.000 But you can have a drone up for 24 plus hours.

01:11:22.000 That didn't send it to me either.

01:11:23.000 Are you serious?

01:11:24.000 Yeah.

01:11:25.000 So weird.

01:11:26.000 Am I sending it to the wrong telephone number?

01:11:27.000 Let me just check.

01:11:28.000 Let me see the number you have.

01:11:29.000 You might have my old number.

01:11:30.000 Well, I definitely have it on signal.

01:11:32.000 Here, you do it. 1.00

01:11:33.000 Here, fuck it. 1.00

01:11:34.000 You take over. 1.00

01:11:35.000 You drive.

01:11:37.000 Because I'm clearly failing at this one.

01:11:39.000 I'm just going to check to see what I sent it to because I changed my number because people get weird.

01:11:45.000 Oh, I can totally imagine that would be the case.

01:11:47.000 I found some drones that these companies say that you can take off anywhere.

01:11:51.000 They're showing them taking off from like small platforms in the ocean.

01:11:55.000 They can stay up in the air for 14 plus hours.

01:11:58.000 They're small and they do have propellers.

01:12:00.000 I will say that.

01:12:01.000 Yeah, and like I said, the question is, are all these drones explainable by aliens?

01:12:08.000 And the answer, obviously, is no.

01:12:10.000 The question is, are any of these bona fide UAP? And there's definitely some evidence to suggest that's the case.

01:12:17.000 But again, there's always misidentification of more conventional stuff, right?

01:12:20.000 Right.

01:12:23.000 And then there's a stubborn core percent.

01:12:26.000 I'll give you an example.

01:12:28.000 This is something that I've discussed a little bit recently.

01:12:31.000 Did you find it okay?

01:12:32.000 Yes.

01:12:32.000 Okay, good.

01:12:32.000 Finally, we got that enigma worked out.

01:12:35.000 Yeah, it's just your 5G is very slow.

01:12:38.000 Oh, really?

01:12:38.000 Yeah, you're using AT&T. Oh, you're using Verizon.

01:12:42.000 Verizon.

01:12:42.000 I use Verizon, too.

01:12:43.000 Really?

01:12:43.000 Yeah, it's just real slow.

01:12:45.000 Do I have, whatchamacalliton?

01:12:47.000 I accidentally sent myself these other ones of the guy holding it up, too.

01:12:51.000 Oh, cool.

01:12:51.000 Yeah, that's cool.

01:12:52.000 That's Craig Lindsay.

01:12:54.000 So, I'll send this to you, Jamie.

01:12:56.000 So, let me tell you a little story that's pretty cool, which I never thought that this would happen.

01:13:05.000 There's a guy, Kirk McConnell, who's Senate Armed Service Committee, and he participated at the very last minute in my film.

01:13:11.000 He's in the trailer.

01:13:12.000 And he, in an official capacity with a high-level clearance, he had been investigating UFOs ever since the New York Times article in 2017. So he was behind the scenes 2017, 2018, the tail end of 2017. 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 22, 23, 24, and then he stepped down.

01:13:30.000 And he came through some intel folks.

01:13:33.000 We got in touch, and I said, hey, man, my film's almost done.

01:13:36.000 If you want, I could squeeze in one final interview.

01:13:38.000 He decided to participate.

01:13:40.000 Up he went.

01:13:40.000 We became friends.

01:13:41.000 We've been talking.

01:13:42.000 And he said, So I went to the congressional hearings, which was incredible.

01:14:07.000 And people say, oh, it was a big nothing burger.

01:14:08.000 But you know what?

01:14:09.000 It was very exciting.

01:14:10.000 Seeing people testify under oath that there's a crash for evil program.

01:14:13.000 Seeing an rear admiral, Tim Gallaudet, saying that they're under the water.

01:14:17.000 I mean, it's pretty fascinating stuff.

01:14:19.000 So I had to apply for a security background on me, which was about 48 hours.

01:14:28.000 And then I got approval for that.

01:14:29.000 And then I showed up at a wing across the street from the Pentagon.

01:14:33.000 And I had to go through the metal detector, and then there are these, kind of exciting for me, because I had never had this kind of experience before.

01:14:39.000 There were these, like, glass tube-type things that were lined up, like, in a row, and only one person can go in at a time.

01:14:46.000 The doors open, just like in Star Trek, and you walk in, and that door closes, and another one opens, and you go through the other side.

01:14:51.000 Then I had to get rid of my phone and everything and leave it outside, and then I go into a skiff.

01:14:56.000 Which is a sensitive compartmented information facility.

01:15:00.000 It's gifts, all super top secret, whatever.

01:15:03.000 And I got to meet with the new head of Arrow, John Koskowski.

01:15:07.000 I was like, I can't believe I'm in the belly of the beast.

01:15:09.000 This is crazy.

01:15:11.000 How could I? I'm a civilian.

01:15:13.000 I don't belong here.

01:15:15.000 But we started talking, just very nonchalantly.

01:15:18.000 I said, hey, you guys got to throw us a bone.

01:15:23.000 I said, you know, we're not going away.

01:15:25.000 This story is not going away.

01:15:27.000 And I said, and you know what we're ultimately dealing with.

01:15:30.000 I mean, obviously, the vast majority of UAP or UFOs can be and have been explained away in down-to-earth conventional terms, right?

01:15:38.000 But there's a stubborn core 15%, 20% that really defy conventional explanation, not because of a lack of data, because they truly can't explain what these things do.

01:15:45.000 And you know well, you've had many people on.

01:15:48.000 These objects exhibit a technology that's just light years advanced from anything that we have.

01:15:52.000 And it's been well-documented since the 1940s, and possibly some people would say way before that.

01:15:57.000 But modern-day UFO wave, no question.

01:16:00.000 So there's two stories.

01:16:02.000 One is, someone's been in possession of this revolutionary technology for 85-plus years and kept it secret.

01:16:08.000 Or two, we're not alone, right?

01:16:11.000 So I said...

01:16:13.000 I said to the gentleman, very candidly, you know, we're probably dealing with a small percentage of NHI, and what's the plan to tell the general public?

01:16:21.000 And this was just a couple weeks ago.

01:16:23.000 And he looked at me and he goes, James, I can't part my hair without approval from the DOD. And you can quote me on that.

01:16:32.000 And that was him, in my opinion, telling me, hey, this is structured in a way that my hands are tied.

01:16:39.000 I can uncover all the things in the world, but I can't tell the general public or even Congress without the DOD approving it first.

01:16:46.000 So that's what's kind of happening right now.

01:16:48.000 And one of the reasons why we were so fortunate to get the number of, I say, whistleblowers or potential whistleblowers or people to come forward in the program is because they were super frustrated with the previous head of era, which is a guy named Sean Kirkpatrick, Which basically just kind of blanket, you know, denied pretty much almost everything.

01:17:07.000 And people were extremely disappointed with that.

01:17:09.000 Just like Blue Book.

01:17:10.000 Yeah, kind of like Blue Book, yeah.

01:17:11.000 They've always done that, right?

01:17:12.000 Yeah, but...

01:17:13.000 But again, it brings us back...

01:17:15.000 But not everybody's doing it.

01:17:15.000 Not everybody's doing it.

01:17:16.000 Right.

01:17:16.000 There's a bunch of...

01:17:17.000 Well, I think now, also, with the internet, there's ways to get information out that's much quicker and cleaner...

01:17:25.000 No question.

01:17:25.000 ...than trusting a reporter.

01:17:27.000 Yeah.

01:17:28.000 You know, and then your life's in danger, and the reporter gets threatened, and...

01:17:31.000 Yeah.

01:17:32.000 Yeah, now things just kind of get out.

01:17:34.000 So, well, I've thought about this.

01:17:36.000 Like, you know, I'm going back to Brazil and I thought, you know, I'm obviously going after, you know, additional eyewitness testimony.

01:17:41.000 I'm going after the photographic stuff.

01:17:43.000 And those of you out there that are, like, tired of hearing about it, well, I spent...

01:17:48.000 20 plus years in search of the photograph that I featured just now, that one with the background story on it, Providence, that sort of thing.

01:17:54.000 Jamie, go look at the one that I sent you.

01:17:56.000 It's a better version of it.

01:17:58.000 Yeah, and so just because you can't, after a year or two, haven't successfully obtained stuff.

01:18:05.000 So this is a better version of it.

01:18:06.000 Yeah, it's a better version that you can see the granular of the film footage.

01:18:09.000 It's weird.

01:18:10.000 It almost looks like there's something in the back.

01:18:12.000 It does look a little bit like that.

01:18:13.000 Like a little propeller or something, like a Jetsons type thing.

01:18:15.000 Brrrr.

01:18:16.000 But let's just say...

01:18:18.000 And that thing was silent, supposedly?

01:18:19.000 Silent.

01:18:19.000 According to the witnesses, it didn't make any sound.

01:18:21.000 It hovered there for an extended period of time, but when it took off, it took off straight vertical, like this.

01:18:26.000 Straight up.

01:18:27.000 Fast?

01:18:27.000 It started going fast, faster, faster, faster, and then it was gone.

01:18:32.000 Yep, that was Craig Lindsay, who interviewed the witnesses, who told me that.

01:18:36.000 And it's so weird though, according to Richard Greaves, in Scotland, the Americans got involved.

01:18:42.000 Of course, we get involved in everything. 0.96

01:18:44.000 Yep, they showed up and they intimidated the shit out of the witnesses. 0.97

01:18:47.000 And I know people can criticize me for reporting on these alleged men in black, but it's not me saying it, it's the witnesses that are saying it. 0.96

01:18:54.000 And I did it full bore for the first time, full bore for the first time in Moment of Contact, because I remember hearing these stories for decades, and I finally was like, everyone's going to think I'm crazy if I report on this, but this lady who was the mother of the two daughters that had these visits and the intimidation, and I was like, screw it, I'm just going to report on this, and I'll just take the criticism, you know?

01:19:16.000 And then I wasn't expecting this to be the case with this photograph, but lo and behold, it was.

01:19:22.000 But anyway, it's a huge story.

01:19:29.000 In my opinion, they can't put the genie back in the bottle.

01:19:31.000 It's coming out, and it's drip, drip, drip.

01:19:33.000 But I have to remind your audience, people that are feeling impatient, that we've had three open congressional hearings in the last three years.

01:19:40.000 Yeah.

01:19:41.000 We hadn't had any in over 50 years prior to that.

01:19:43.000 It's definitely, even though it's still difficult to get information and figure out what's actually going on, there's way more open mainstream discussion of it.

01:19:51.000 Way more.

01:19:51.000 And it's frustrating at times.

01:19:53.000 I get it.

01:19:53.000 People are like, oh, well, why all these people?

01:19:56.000 Why can't they just say, why can't David Grush just tell us?

01:19:59.000 Well, I can remind people that the DOD has stripped David Grush of his clearances and won't allow him to get into a skip.

01:20:05.000 This is one of the things that I talked to this guy, Brian Benner, who appears in the movie Politico, and he goes, if Congress finds out about it, one thing we know on the Hill is that you're going to find out about it.

01:20:14.000 They can't keep a secret.

01:20:15.000 It's going to leak.

01:20:16.000 So they've been doing everything they can, I imagine it's the DOD, to prevent Grush from going into a skip with members of Congress to release and reveal The classified details necessary to verify his claims, okay?

01:20:30.000 If you've been keeping this under wraps for 60 plus years or whatever they've been doing, would you really tell AOC? Would you really pull her aside and tell her?

01:20:39.000 Well, I mean, any members of Congress with the proper clearances and feel like they want to have that information, I mean, you've got...

01:20:45.000 Nothing's wrong with her.

01:20:47.000 I'm not even saying her.

01:20:47.000 I'm just saying, pick a young one.

01:20:49.000 You're going to give them all that information?

01:20:52.000 They don't want them to have that information.

01:20:52.000 Exactly.

01:20:54.000 There's no question about it.

01:20:56.000 That's what I would imagine.

01:20:57.000 That's probably why they won't let Grush get into a skimp. 0.56

01:20:59.000 So here's another thing I'd like to mention is that David Grush claims that he gave even a street address to the ICIG, which is Thomas Monheim.

01:21:06.000 That's the Intelligence Community Inspector General.

01:21:09.000 So I'm asking members of Congress to support all their efforts.

01:21:13.000 You know, Burchett, who's been amazing, regardless of what your politics, the guy's a phenomenon.

01:21:17.000 He's been really pushing for transparency.

01:21:19.000 He's a super solid guy.

01:21:20.000 You got Mace.

01:21:21.000 You got Moskowski from Florida.

01:21:26.000 Garcia from California, AOC, New York, Luna, and then of course you got the Senate side, you got Rubio, who totally knows where this stuff is, Rounds, Schumer, and if you look at the NDAA, you can see the language in plain sight.

01:21:45.000 I mean, it's phenomenal what's going on, and I I think that our elected officials that are really pushing for transparency need to hear from us, need to hear from the citizens and know that we support their efforts and that we have their backs and continuing to push for transparency, to push to find out what the hell is going on.

01:22:04.000 I mean, imagine if it's true.

01:22:07.000 Imagine if we have spaceships and we have biologics, bodies, okay?

01:22:11.000 That is not just...

01:22:15.000 Implications for the United States, that's global implications.

01:22:18.000 I mean, the impacts, the ripple effect that would have around the world for that confirmation to happen.

01:22:23.000 No doubt.

01:22:24.000 It would be huge.

01:22:25.000 Well, the human race deserves to know.

01:22:27.000 It shouldn't be unelected officials and Defense Department people that know about this stuff.

01:22:32.000 That's crazy.

01:22:33.000 I totally agree.

01:22:34.000 Unless...

01:22:35.000 Unless...

01:22:36.000 This is what I had a conversation with Ryan Graves yesterday.

01:22:39.000 The way I would argue it, if I was a military person, I would say this is a national security interest.

01:22:43.000 And we are trying to back-engineer this stuff.

01:22:46.000 We're not successful. 0.99

01:22:47.000 If China steals our data, if Russia can back-engineer one, if Iran gets one before us, we're fucked. 0.99

01:22:53.000 Because these things are insanely sophisticated. 0.99

01:22:56.000 We would obviously weaponize the technology.

01:22:58.000 That's obvious.

01:22:59.000 Of course.

01:23:00.000 Yeah, duh.

01:23:01.000 It's like 101, right?

01:23:02.000 Yeah, why would we not?

01:23:03.000 The basics.

01:23:03.000 I mean, if you could put a nuke on one of those things, I mean, the exhibited technology that people say, people that have witnessed this stuff say it goes from a standstill to out of sight in the blink of an eye.

01:23:11.000 I mean, these objects, what was it?

01:23:13.000 David Fravor said it went from space...

01:23:16.000 50,000 feet above sea level to 50...

01:23:18.000 To sea level...

01:23:19.000 In one second.

01:23:20.000 In one second.

01:23:21.000 Yeah.

01:23:21.000 That's...

01:23:22.000 It's insane.

01:23:23.000 We talked about it yesterday.

01:23:24.000 Oh, you did?

01:23:25.000 Insane amount of speed.

01:23:25.000 Yeah.

01:23:28.000 And the way Ryan explained it in terms of like the amount of force you would need is equivalent to how many nuclear bombs did he say?

01:23:38.000 Something insane, like the entire nuclear arsenal has to be done to generate that kind of power.

01:23:44.000 Whatever it is, if these stories are true, it's doing something that we don't understand.

01:23:52.000 So if it's ours, I kind of get why they wouldn't want to spill the beans.

01:23:58.000 My thought once was, what if this is not weaponizable with our current technology?

01:24:04.000 What if these things are our drones, but they don't know how to put a weapon on it yet?

01:24:11.000 Because whatever you do, it moves at a speed.

01:24:14.000 I have a problem with that theory, and the problem I have is that the United States government has documented close encounters of a third kind.

01:24:20.000 That's beings connected.

01:24:22.000 That's their own files, right?

01:24:24.000 That's not me saying it.

01:24:25.000 So it's not just these objects exhibiting revolutionary technology for at least 80 years, right?

01:24:32.000 No wings, no tail, no visible means of propulsion, the ability to hover, accelerate, out of sight in the blink of an eye, right angle turns at high speed, no wake, no sonic boom.

01:24:39.000 Yeah.

01:24:39.000 That kind of stuff.

01:24:40.000 But you also have reports, credible reports of beings connected to some of the craft.

01:24:47.000 And that's documented all around the world.

01:24:49.000 So that eliminates, right?

01:24:52.000 If it's true.

01:24:53.000 Well, yeah.

01:24:53.000 The whole thing, like, just because something's written down somewhere doesn't mean that someone didn't write it down as a psyop, someone didn't write it down to discredit other people with a ridiculous story.

01:25:03.000 One way to discredit a credible story is to attach it to a bunch of ridiculous stories. 0.76

01:25:08.000 Right?

01:25:09.000 So if I was going to hide some sort of technology, one thing I would do is connect it to a bunch of kooky stuff, a bunch of psychic stuff and remote viewing, just a bunch of things that people very easily dismiss.

01:25:21.000 UFO abductions, UFO encounters, encounters with an actual being.

01:25:26.000 But put a bunch of stuff in there that makes people go, what?

01:25:28.000 Is this real?

01:25:30.000 And just enough.

01:25:31.000 Just enough so that you can hide the real stuff in there.

01:25:34.000 Well, I think...

01:25:35.000 And again, I'm playing devil's advocate.

01:25:37.000 That's all I'm doing.

01:25:38.000 And again, I've said this earlier in the show, and I'll say it again, is like, the reason why I believe David Grush, who testified, not just because he testified...

01:25:47.000 Oh, I believe David, but David doesn't have first-hand experience that he's talked about.

01:25:50.000 I know, but the reason why I believe him is because it aligns with my research in the field.

01:25:56.000 Remember, I spent over 12 years investigating on and off with my buddy Marco Leal in Virginia, Brazil, That UFO crash case and only found out last minute, the last time I was there, that the Americans were involved.

01:26:10.000 So I was like, oh my God, the rumors are true.

01:26:14.000 You know, the Americans really are.

01:26:15.000 Do you see, like, I obviously looked into Roswell for years.

01:26:18.000 I went to Roswell, the 50th anniversary.

01:26:20.000 This is how the deal works, bro.

01:26:21.000 You want the aid?

01:26:22.000 We get the UFOs. 0.99

01:26:23.000 We give you the aid, but if a crash UFO, you fucking call us. 0.99

01:26:28.000 Stay out of there. 1.00

01:26:29.000 Don't be carrying that dude to the hospital. 1.00

01:26:32.000 Leave it to us, and then we'll just scoop that up and shut the fuck up. 1.00

01:26:36.000 What do you think about that? 0.98

01:26:38.000 One of the craziest stories is that there's a building somewhere that's an enormous building that was actually built around the UFO because the UFO was too big to move.

01:26:46.000 Have you heard this story?

01:26:47.000 It was reported on News Nation with Ross Colhart.

01:26:50.000 It's got to be real.

01:26:51.000 Well, Ross Caldhart is a credible...

01:26:53.000 He seems legit.

01:26:54.000 He's got an accent.

01:26:55.000 He's got a great accent.

01:26:56.000 He's got an Australian accent.

01:26:58.000 Not quite British. 0.99

01:26:59.000 We believe you if you have an accent.

01:27:01.000 But it's close.

01:27:01.000 You're more credible than a New York accent.

01:27:03.000 There's something about a British accent that just adds credibility to anything.

01:27:06.000 There's some guy from New York. 1.00

01:27:07.000 So, we got this fucking car. 0.99

01:27:09.000 Sorry, mate. 1.00

01:27:09.000 This thing is absolutely huge. 1.00

01:27:12.000 This spaceship's so fucking big, we need to build a building around it. 0.70

01:27:16.000 But they talked about it. 0.84

01:27:17.000 Now, here's...

01:27:18.000 What is this building?

01:27:19.000 And where is it supposed to be?

01:27:21.000 I don't know.

01:27:22.000 Oh, you're holding him back?

01:27:23.000 No, no, I really don't know.

01:27:25.000 You haven't investigated this?

01:27:25.000 Nope.

01:27:25.000 Oh, I have a little bit, but I don't have the same connections on that.

01:27:28.000 But I'll tell you a case that I do think needs to get looked into.

01:27:32.000 Oh, you're going to move us around away from this?

01:27:35.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:27:35.000 You're going to move us away from this?

01:27:36.000 No, but this is a craft, a recovery craft.

01:27:38.000 He's a big government agent, this guy.

01:27:40.000 So there's a memo in the program.

01:27:45.000 That was through the Dobster process was released.

01:27:48.000 Unfortunately, some of the names are redacted.

01:27:50.000 Christopher Mellon obtained it.

01:27:51.000 It was from a correspondence he had with a high-level government official back in 2020. It just got approved for release, I don't know, maybe a year ago.

01:28:00.000 It's featured in the doc.

01:28:02.000 And in it, it has the names of not just the gatekeeper, but other names who found the gatekeeper to the crash retrieval program.

01:28:11.000 I'm told that unredacted versions of that have been handed to select members of Congress and people that are investigated in an official capacity for the government.

01:28:18.000 But in it, they specifically mention a case, not crash, a landed case that happened in 1953 at Cayman, Arizona.

01:28:27.000 So I've made some inquiries with aerospace folks that I've been meeting with quietly, and I'm like, what's this case that you guys keep talking about with the King in Arizona?

01:28:35.000 They're like, oh, it was like they just landed and left.

01:28:38.000 I was like, well, how do you know they landed?

01:28:39.000 What do you mean landed and left?

01:28:41.000 And they're like, well, the doors are open and nobody home, and they walked off.

01:28:46.000 I said, you mean somebody just flew this thing down, it landed on the ground in the desert, and came in Arizona in 1953, and they left the doors open and left, and they were like, yep, that's pretty much what happened.

01:28:58.000 So they left the craft there?

01:29:00.000 Somebody just, they flew it down and left a craft on the ground.

01:29:04.000 I was told that, and I wouldn't be repeating this if I didn't think there was some serious credibility to it, but apparently it was...

01:29:10.000 Well, doesn't that align with how Diana Pasolka and Gary Nolan have started describing these things as donations?

01:29:16.000 The individual that I talked to was so funny because this individual was like, not a scratch!

01:29:22.000 And I'd go, not a scratch?

01:29:25.000 What?

01:29:25.000 Not a scratch?

01:29:27.000 Not a scratch on the...

01:29:28.000 No, it was perfect!

01:29:30.000 Didn't have a scratch!

01:29:31.000 I was like, oh my gosh.

01:29:33.000 This sounds like somebody who's more than just heard about this, but one of the aspects of it didn't have a scratch on it.

01:29:40.000 So I think that's a case that I think that people should definitely be looking into.

01:29:44.000 So the first-hand witness said it didn't have a scratch?

01:29:46.000 I don't know if it was the way they described it.

01:29:48.000 This is the problem.

01:29:49.000 This is the problem I have with all this stuff.

01:29:50.000 But here's the thing.

01:29:51.000 If you were Travis Walton...

01:29:53.000 Yes.

01:29:53.000 Okay.

01:29:54.000 Love that guy.

01:29:55.000 I love that guy, too.

01:29:56.000 Fascinating story.

01:29:57.000 I really enjoy...

01:29:58.000 We got a bobblehead.

01:29:59.000 That's a Travis Walton bobblehead.

01:30:01.000 Oh, no way.

01:30:02.000 Yes way.

01:30:03.000 I got it from Travis.

01:30:04.000 That's him staring at this guy.

01:30:05.000 Oh my gosh.

01:30:06.000 When he was a young man.

01:30:07.000 I went to the location.

01:30:08.000 That's a remote spot.

01:30:09.000 I'm interested in that because that's a first-hand witness.

01:30:12.000 That's a guy.

01:30:12.000 Yes.

01:30:13.000 He's explaining his bizarre experience.

01:30:16.000 He's told the same story.

01:30:17.000 No question.

01:30:18.000 For whatever, 50, 60 years.

01:30:20.000 Whatever the hell it's been.

01:30:21.000 1975. Whatever it was since he got abducted.

01:30:24.000 Almost 50 years.

01:30:25.000 So this guy was there.

01:30:27.000 That was his story.

01:30:29.000 I'm interested in that.

01:30:30.000 When I hear a guy told a guy that this is what happened and this is how he described it, I'm like, mm.

01:30:35.000 Super frustrating.

01:30:36.000 So, talking to Jay Sands.

01:30:37.000 Yes, first-hander. 0.99

01:30:38.000 Again, first-hand was like, what the fuck are you saying? 0.99

01:30:41.000 Yeah, face-to-face, yes. 0.99

01:30:42.000 Tell me what it was doing.

01:30:43.000 What did it look like?

01:30:44.000 Yeah.

01:30:44.000 He thought it was an adolescent, too.

01:30:46.000 He didn't think that it was a full-grown one.

01:30:48.000 He thought it was young.

01:30:49.000 Well, he's got an illustration of it in the documentary, and I tell you, it's one of the crazy...

01:30:53.000 I remember after him...

01:30:54.000 Can you imagine?

01:30:55.000 I know.

01:30:56.000 I was like, if this is true?

01:30:58.000 I was like, this is crazy.

01:31:00.000 Can you imagine being that person?

01:31:02.000 This is something that we didn't reveal in the documentary.

01:31:04.000 It was really funny.

01:31:05.000 He thought that this individual was suffering from frostbite or...

01:31:10.000 What's that when you get really cold?

01:31:11.000 Hypothermia.

01:31:12.000 Hypothermia.

01:31:12.000 Yeah.

01:31:13.000 Skin had a blue tint to it.

01:31:15.000 So he took his jacket off, and he very insistently put the jacket on this individual, because he was thinking, this person's really, really cold.

01:31:21.000 He's been out in the desert, probably had a plane crash or whatever.

01:31:24.000 And so he's putting his jacket, and the person was kind of resistant, but Jason said, I insisted.

01:31:28.000 I took one layer of my jacket, and I put around this individual, and that individual left with the jacket on.

01:31:34.000 So I jokingly say, where do you think your jacket is now?

01:31:38.000 He's probably out there to help Zatari or God only knows.

01:31:41.000 Or right here.

01:31:43.000 This is the thing that gets me.

01:31:45.000 Or right here.

01:31:46.000 Logistically.

01:31:47.000 Yes.

01:31:47.000 Okay, if these things are coming from the ocean, just logistically, you'd have to have a large ship.

01:31:52.000 So we were talking about this with Ryan yesterday.

01:31:54.000 And I was saying, if they had a battleship, we'd be able to see that, right?

01:31:58.000 Like 100%.

01:31:59.000 He said, so it would have to be a submarine.

01:32:02.000 So I'm like, Jesus Christ, what if there really is some sort of a civilization underwater that has coexisted with us forever?

01:32:11.000 Did you hear about the testimony by Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet just recently in Congress?

01:32:19.000 Is this the one where the thing's moving underwater at 500 knots?

01:32:22.000 Yes.

01:32:23.000 He's reporting.

01:32:24.000 Explain to people what he said.

01:32:25.000 I don't have all that you can look it up.

01:32:27.000 Just what you can remember.

01:32:32.000 That are exhibiting a technology underwater that defies any convectional explanation.

01:32:36.000 Things that are just virtually impossible.

01:32:38.000 Like, so much faster than the fastest submarine or anything like that.

01:32:41.000 And they're really big.

01:32:43.000 Yeah, it's moving as if there's no resistance underwater.

01:32:45.000 So moving like a fighter jet would in the air, it's moving like that underwater.

01:32:49.000 Yeah, they call it transmedium or something.

01:32:51.000 But confirmation, I mean, that's...

01:32:53.000 And I actually spoke to Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet on a couple of occasions recently.

01:33:01.000 And I thanked him for coming forward and testifying.

01:33:04.000 And he said, you know, I felt an obligation to do so because a lot of my men, the pilots, were coming forward and I wanted to back them up.

01:33:12.000 And so that's why he stepped forward and testified.

01:33:16.000 Well, if you're coming here from somewhere else and you wanted to hide in plain sight, you would hide in the ocean, especially if you have the technology to completely negate any of the effects of the water and the pressure.

01:33:27.000 At least explore this place on Earth.

01:33:30.000 Yeah, we can't get to it.

01:33:31.000 We don't have the technology to get.

01:33:32.000 They know we don't. 0.99

01:33:33.000 They know it's really hard to get a submarine out to wherever the fuck they would be. 0.99

01:33:36.000 What's his name? 0.97

01:33:37.000 Went to the bottom of the Mariana Trench.

01:33:39.000 Cameron.

01:33:39.000 Cameron by himself.

01:33:40.000 A wild boy.

01:33:41.000 I would never do that.

01:33:42.000 He's a wild boy.

01:33:43.000 Isn't that like 35,000 feet down?

01:33:45.000 How far is it?

01:33:46.000 It's something bizarre like that.

01:33:47.000 I mean, that's those poor folks.

01:33:49.000 Would you go down in a submarine by yourself?

01:33:50.000 No.

01:33:51.000 Definitely not a homemade one like the one those people died in.

01:33:55.000 Yeah, but that was there's another thing about that case when the people went down that submarine apparently I Guess it's the Navy has some sort of very sophisticated underwater audio sensors And they heard the implosion and they knew about it like immediately and didn't report on it Well, I mean I think the problem with reporting on is that you have to report on your technology now So I don't even know if this has been confirmed, but this is what I had heard and Methods and means?

01:34:25.000 Well, it's also, it's got to be top secret.

01:34:29.000 It's got to be one of those things where if you're going to reveal that you heard that, you have to have clearance to do it.

01:34:33.000 You probably have to run it up the ladder.

01:34:35.000 One of the reasons why we know about overhead satellite imagery of UAP is because of Ratcliffe, who was former head of ODNI. And he came forward.

01:34:44.000 And I remember it's funny, actually, because it was classified.

01:34:46.000 And Christopher Mellon participated in this latest production with me because of Ratcliffe revealing it on Fox News.

01:34:54.000 And Ratcliffe basically says, yeah, we have overhead collection satellite data of UAP that are pretty fucking far out.

01:35:01.000 Yeah, that happens.

01:35:02.000 So they're talking about this.

01:35:03.000 But getting back to your point, because I know you said you were frustrated.

01:35:05.000 You're like, oh yeah, it's just another anecdotal piece of evidence, a piece of testimony, third party, not firsthand.

01:35:11.000 I'm not saying I'm frustrated.

01:35:12.000 No, no, no.

01:35:13.000 What I'm saying is I totally agree with you.

01:35:16.000 I'm frustrated.

01:35:16.000 As somebody who's been chasing this story for 30 years, I too want access to the better, more compelling data.

01:35:22.000 That's why I chased after that photograph I just shared with you earlier on for as long as I did, because I hear about something and I go after it.

01:35:28.000 But I want to remind your audience, You can't go after something without knowing that it exists.

01:35:35.000 So you get the leads.

01:35:37.000 We're learning more about the programs.

01:35:39.000 We're learning how these programs are hidden.

01:35:41.000 These WUSAPs, they're waived, unacknowledged, special access programs, probably hidden somewhere in the DO. I know, it sounds crazy.

01:35:49.000 But at least giving some guidance to where are these things and how these things are hidden, where they might be found.

01:35:55.000 We reveal there's a gentleman in the film called Navy X. And people are like, ah!

01:36:01.000 It's another person testifying anonymously.

01:36:04.000 Well, yes, true.

01:36:06.000 But he gives us specifics on telling members of Congress where to look, to find specifics.

01:36:12.000 JWICS, what is it? 0.95

01:36:13.000 And this is where to find the more compelling data.

01:36:15.000 I'm going to read this because it's important that people know that.

01:36:17.000 He's saying, look, I've seen it, and this is where it is.

01:36:21.000 It's called, the official UAP data is kept either in CIPR, Secret Internet Protocol Router Network, or JWICS, Joint Worldwide Intelligence Communication System, that's used by the DoD and only available in a SCIF. And a SCIF is a sensitive compartmented information facility.

01:36:37.000 So...

01:36:38.000 Is it frustrating to hear that?

01:36:39.000 And people criticize, oh, it's just another person.

01:36:41.000 But he's saying, I've seen it.

01:36:43.000 It's phenomenal.

01:36:45.000 He gives descriptions of some of the stuff he saw.

01:36:47.000 And he's telling members of Congress, if you have the clearances, this is where it's being kept.

01:36:52.000 So those are very good specifics.

01:36:53.000 And again, I remind you guys, like, okay, just be patient.

01:36:56.000 This is not a hundred-yard dash.

01:36:58.000 We're running a marathon right now.

01:37:00.000 An ultramarathon.

01:37:01.000 We are.

01:37:02.000 I want to get back to what I was talking about earlier.

01:37:05.000 Logistically, if you're letting something go from the ocean, if you're flying it out of the ocean, logistically, you would have to have some sort of a large craft out there that's going to house these things, or it's going to launch from.

01:37:20.000 If it is actually coming from the ocean.

01:37:22.000 Oh, you see, the drones you're talking about right now.

01:37:24.000 Right.

01:37:24.000 Yes.

01:37:25.000 So, either they're ours...

01:37:27.000 And if there are hours, how do they hide the fact that there's a battleship out there?

01:37:32.000 Is that possible?

01:37:33.000 And if it's from a submarine, how do they develop a submarine that can launch 50 car-sized or SUV-sized drones from?

01:37:43.000 Yeah, that's one of the things that Christopher Mellon said to me this morning.

01:37:45.000 He goes, that's just, that's the one element or aspect that really is a head-scratcher.

01:37:52.000 Because 50 of these things coming in off the ocean, that's just confirmed.

01:37:58.000 Right, right.

01:37:59.000 No one's denying that.

01:37:59.000 But here's the question.

01:38:00.000 Yes.

01:38:01.000 Is it possible to classify the location of a U.S. battleship that's capable of having these things?

01:38:08.000 So big.

01:38:09.000 How could you like...

01:38:10.000 How big would it have to be to launch 50 drones?

01:38:14.000 God, you're talking, I don't know, man, but that's a lot of drones, especially the size they're reporting.

01:38:19.000 They're talking about drones the size of an SUV. Right.

01:38:22.000 So let's imagine, so when you take a ferry, how many cars can a ferry fit on it?

01:38:30.000 I take a ferry all the time in Vermont.

01:38:33.000 Like a big one, like a legit one, like a European 50 cars?

01:38:36.000 I put, well, the one that's medium legit, I put...

01:38:40.000 25, 30, maybe 40, 25 to 40. Yeah.

01:38:45.000 More than you think.

01:38:46.000 Couldn't you do that with drones?

01:38:47.000 And couldn't you have something that's a little larger than the average ferry?

01:38:51.000 So you wouldn't need a battleship.

01:38:53.000 Why would they do that?

01:38:54.000 Why would they do that in residential areas?

01:38:56.000 Why would they have everybody scratching their heads?

01:38:59.000 All these press conferences.

01:39:01.000 You're talking about the head of the gang of eight, right?

01:39:03.000 Okay.

01:39:04.000 But if they need to patrol those guys, if they are really looking for a nuke, okay?

01:39:12.000 Let's imagine that this story about, you know, a Ukrainian nuke from the time when they disarmed them, there's one that's unaccounted for.

01:39:23.000 This is one of those stories that's been on the internet.

01:39:25.000 I don't know if it's true.

01:39:26.000 That it's unaccounted for and that they think it's headed to the United States.

01:39:30.000 If you were trying to find that thing, Like a dirty bomb? 0.99

01:39:33.000 Yeah, or like just a regular nuke, that if you're looking for gamma rays, you could devise a drone that could search for that, and you'd fly it over an area, and you wouldn't care whether people freaked out, because it's more important to find this goddamn thing. 0.82

01:39:48.000 So if you have this technology, it's some skunkworks technology.

01:39:52.000 You can't do it from space?

01:39:53.000 No, I don't think so.

01:39:55.000 I think you have to be there.

01:39:56.000 Certain proximity within...

01:39:58.000 I think...

01:39:58.000 To pick up whatever...

01:39:59.000 Did you bring this up with Ryan Graves?

01:40:01.000 Yes.

01:40:01.000 What did he say?

01:40:02.000 I mean, he doesn't know either.

01:40:04.000 He doesn't know.

01:40:04.000 He doesn't think so.

01:40:05.000 Everybody that I trust...

01:40:06.000 He doesn't think that's the issue.

01:40:07.000 People in the FBI, people that I communicate with often, I'm like, what is going on?

01:40:11.000 It almost seems too sexy that the United States has that kind of ability and they're just flying these things around and that they're doing it for that specific reason, to find a nuke.

01:40:21.000 It's like that we have this kind of technology that none of us are aware of.

01:40:25.000 That we have these drones that can shut off when you come close to them.

01:40:28.000 The lights shut off.

01:40:29.000 They disappear.

01:40:30.000 They avoid tracking the RF signal.

01:40:33.000 It doesn't show up.

01:40:35.000 They're cool.

01:40:36.000 They have some sort of cooling mechanism in them, so it's difficult to see with infrared.

01:40:41.000 I don't understand any of that.

01:40:42.000 He was saying that's above what we can do right now.

01:40:45.000 But they're not moving in a way necessarily.

01:40:48.000 That's not possible with drone technology that is mainstream.

01:40:52.000 But there's some aspects of the way they move and what they're doing that doesn't lead them to believe that this is current state-of-the-art technology as far as we know it.

01:41:01.000 Yeah, even I had some people tell me, like, even if it's conventional, it's highly advanced conventional.

01:41:07.000 Right, but let's look at China. 0.98

01:41:09.000 China has highly advanced drones.

01:41:11.000 We were talking about this as well, that the bottleneck in America was the FAA. The FAA put a lot of restrictions on the manufacture of drones and how you can do them, what you can do.

01:41:23.000 China doesn't have any of that, so they're full steam ahead with innovation.

01:41:26.000 If you look at what... 0.89

01:41:27.000 Drone manufacturers in the United States have been able to do and then imagine untethered if they weren't fucked over by all these regulations that got in the way of innovation.

01:41:38.000 Obviously you have to have one because if you have some commercial drone that someone can buy that can move 500 miles an hour and fly through the air and stay up there for six hours at a time and film video of everything and anything, Well, and you can't control it.

01:41:53.000 You can't block the radar screen.

01:41:55.000 You can't find it with infrared.

01:41:57.000 That's pretty nuts.

01:41:58.000 So I would imagine that would not be a thing they would want in the hands of the average American person.

01:42:03.000 But why did it just start happening fairly recently?

01:42:06.000 When I say this...

01:42:07.000 Well, I'm saying if it's Chinese. 0.99

01:42:09.000 If it's Chinese. 0.98

01:42:10.000 If they're unburdened by our regulations, and not only do they have the help of the government, they have financing behind them.

01:42:17.000 They have an imperative.

01:42:18.000 They're told what to do.

01:42:20.000 But they're flying it over Langley, they're flying it over...

01:42:23.000 Wouldn't you do that? 1.00

01:42:24.000 Just to fuck with these people? 1.00

01:42:26.000 What's the golf course that Trump has? 1.00

01:42:28.000 Yeah, his golf course, yeah.

01:42:29.000 What's that called?

01:42:30.000 I don't know.

01:42:30.000 Westminster?

01:42:31.000 Yeah, something like Bedminster.

01:42:32.000 They're flying over that?

01:42:33.000 Yeah.

01:42:34.000 The president-elect?

01:42:35.000 Langley Air Force Base did experience incursions of unauthorized, unmanned aerial systems in last year, December 2023, says Sabrina Singh, Pentagon spokeswoman.

01:42:45.000 The number of those UAS incursions did fluctuate, but they didn't appear to exhibit any hostile intent.

01:42:50.000 It's something that we have kept our eye on.

01:42:52.000 Well, thank God you're keeping your eye on it.

01:42:54.000 Yeah, and we have no idea what they are, but they're fine.

01:42:57.000 Nothing to worry about.

01:42:58.000 Brian told us yesterday this has been happening.

01:42:58.000 This is the third year in a row this has been happening right around Christmas time.

01:43:01.000 Well, one of the reasons...

01:43:03.000 One of the reasons why I wanted you guys to hear that account by the guy at Vandenberg Air Force Base, this is not anonymous reporting.

01:43:09.000 The guy's giving his name, and he's talking about objects that are the size of a football field, hovering over a silo, launch control area.

01:43:17.000 That's also the Phoenix Lights.

01:43:18.000 They describe them as the size of a football field or larger.

01:43:21.000 Oh, yeah.

01:43:22.000 I interviewed a guy.

01:43:24.000 There was a case that happened right here in Texas, Stephenville.

01:43:27.000 Ricky Sorrell is one of the best witnesses.

01:43:29.000 I love the guy.

01:43:30.000 He was a hunter.

01:43:32.000 And he's like, he's like, James, he's like, you could have landed an airplane on this.

01:43:36.000 I said, you've got to be kidding me.

01:43:37.000 He goes, no, man.

01:43:38.000 He goes, I stood under this thing.

01:43:39.000 He goes, it was so big.

01:43:42.000 I was standing under it and he had his rifle and he's standing under it and he's looking up and he's looking to the left.

01:43:48.000 He's looking to the left, right, back, forward.

01:43:51.000 Can't see the edge of it in any direction.

01:43:52.000 So he grabs his hunting rifle because he was, he was hunting deer.

01:43:55.000 This is 2008. He grabs his honey rifle.

01:43:57.000 Please don't tell me he shot it.

01:43:59.000 No, well, so he holds his rifle up, and he's looking through the scope, and he goes, Jan, I'm a metal worker.

01:44:04.000 I work with metal.

01:44:05.000 I know what metal looks like.

01:44:06.000 And he's looking through the scope, and he goes, man, there's no rivets.

01:44:08.000 There's no seams.

01:44:10.000 There's no weld marks.

01:44:11.000 He's like, there were these, on the belly of it, there were these reverse, like, recessed cones.

01:44:17.000 It's, like, bigger, and then they got smaller as it went up into the belly of the craft.

01:44:22.000 He's looking up at it and his finger's on the trigger and he's like, man, I wonder if it wasn't that hard.

01:44:26.000 I go, I wonder what would happen if I just pulled the trigger here and I bet it would ricochet off or hit the belly or something.

01:44:31.000 So he's looking at it and he's just about to pull the trigger to check it out and he goes, hmm, maybe this isn't such a good idea.

01:44:39.000 I interviewed him in 2008 when this was going down, and then about a year later, I was doing some follow-up interviews for a film I did, I Know What I Saw, and I had this gentleman walk up to me, and I was filming in the downtown square in Stephenville, or it might have been Dublin, and...

01:44:56.000 This gentleman looks at me and he goes, you Mr. Fox?

01:44:58.000 And I was like, yes.

01:45:00.000 And he pulls out a badge and he shows me his badge.

01:45:03.000 And he's like, can I talk to you for a minute?

01:45:05.000 I'm officer of so-and-so.

01:45:06.000 And I was like, Jesus Christ, what the hell did I do?

01:45:09.000 And I said, yeah, sure.

01:45:10.000 And we walk off to a cafe and he goes...

01:45:13.000 He's looking at his back.

01:45:14.000 He had his back to the wall in the cafe so he could see everybody coming in.

01:45:17.000 He was really paranoid.

01:45:19.000 And he said, you know Ricky Sorrells?

01:45:20.000 I said, yeah.

01:45:21.000 He goes, that guy's telling the truth.

01:45:22.000 I said, how do you know?

01:45:23.000 He goes, because the whole police department saw it.

01:45:25.000 I can't remember if it was Dublin Police Department or Stephenville.

01:45:28.000 I think it was Dublin Police Department.

01:45:30.000 He goes, yeah, man, we...

01:45:31.000 He said, we...

01:45:33.000 We were sitting in our patrol cars and this object was like a floating department storm.

01:45:37.000 It was absolutely colossal like a city.

01:45:40.000 Took out my radar gun, pointed at it, and it was doing 22 miles an hour.

01:45:45.000 And then he said it drifted off and one of the officers, I don't remember the name of the gentleman, took his dash cam and he flipped it up and he filmed it.

01:45:54.000 And apparently one of the biggest mistakes this individual made, this police officer made, was that he didn't make a copy of it because the local Air Force base requested that film footage and got it.

01:46:04.000 And so I've been telling people to go after that stuff exists.

01:46:07.000 But my point is, this object was so big, people claimed that witnesses, the first-hand witnesses, that you had landed an airplane on it.

01:46:16.000 I mean, what is that?

01:46:19.000 What happens if you see that?

01:46:21.000 That's the thing.

01:46:22.000 Like, if you see that, do you even tell people? 0.97

01:46:23.000 You sound like a kook. 0.85

01:46:25.000 Like, if I saw it, if I was outside in the desert, and I was just chilling, and something so big that I couldn't see the edges of it flew overhead, I don't know what I'd say.

01:46:35.000 He said when it took off, It was like this.

01:46:49.000 He goes, It went from this, a complete standstill, and it went straight up, like at a slight angle, but straight up and gone.

01:47:01.000 He goes, James, I said, describe the acceleration.

01:47:03.000 He goes, hell, I'll tell you, the best way I can describe it is that had I blinked, I would have missed it.

01:47:09.000 That's how fast it took off.

01:47:10.000 So it went from here, like that.

01:47:12.000 He had helicopters hovering over his—I know this sounds crazy, but people are going to be like, oh, this big—but he had helicopters flying over his property for a while, right around the time that I was trying to get him to go on camera.

01:47:25.000 He came out in his underwear and his shotgun late at night with his helicopter spotlighting him up, and he ended up calling the local Air Force base and said, stop flying over my house at night.

01:47:33.000 And they said, we suggest you stop talking about what you saw.

01:47:36.000 And so he was kind of spooked.

01:47:38.000 And about eight months later, he finally decided that he was going to go public with the story.

01:47:43.000 But everything to lose, nothing to gain.

01:47:45.000 You get this countless reports of these cases.

01:47:50.000 And they're around the world, right?

01:47:52.000 It's not just the United States.

01:47:53.000 I've demonstrated that time and time again.

01:47:56.000 But there's more of them in the United States than anywhere else, right?

01:47:59.000 Well, I mean, one of my favorite cases is Rua, Zimbabwe.

01:48:02.000 That's an amazing case.

01:48:03.000 Right, right, right.

01:48:03.000 But there's more sightings in the United States than anywhere else, right?

01:48:06.000 There seems to be an attraction almost like a moth to a flame with nukes.

01:48:12.000 Somehow they're interested in our nuclear capabilities.

01:48:15.000 And I remember interviewing Robert Salas, who was a launch control officer, who described this whole event at Malmstrom Air Force Base in the 60s.

01:48:23.000 Where these UFOs were witnessed on the base, and then all their Minutemen missiles started getting shut down.

01:48:31.000 And I remember saying to him, like, well, what's your take on that?

01:48:37.000 Like, what kind of, you know, and he goes, and I realized why this individual was a launch control officer, because he was so measured and so calm and so cool.

01:48:46.000 And he goes, well, James, the message I got was kind of clear.

01:48:50.000 It's almost like taking matches out of the hands of a baby.

01:48:54.000 About the nukes.

01:48:55.000 Yeah.

01:48:56.000 So, you know, with the phenomenon, you look at what they do, right?

01:49:02.000 And that says some things.

01:49:05.000 They've done some pretty brazen events, right?

01:49:07.000 Over the decades.

01:49:09.000 But you also look at what they don't do.

01:49:12.000 Because if the phenomenon wanted to end this, like, you know, secrecy once and for all, all they'd have to do is hover over the Macy's Day Parade or the next big Super Bowl and it's game over.

01:49:23.000 They don't do that.

01:49:24.000 They've done some pretty brazen things, right?

01:49:26.000 I mean, case in point, March 13th, 97, over the state of Arizona, including the governor, Fife Simon, witnessed that massive—there were a number of UFOs witnessed, but the main one, you know, was this big boomerang-shaped craft.

01:49:40.000 And even the governor said it must have been at least a mile across from wingtip to wingtip that floated.

01:49:45.000 And I actually interviewed people that worked at Luke Air Force Base at the time, and they said that they scrambled jets to intercept this thing.

01:49:52.000 And I interviewed a number of people that saw that craft.

01:49:55.000 I mean, that stood on their, that light down on their lawns and watched it float over the top of them.

01:50:00.000 And apparently, according to this individual that I met in the late 90s at Luke Air Force Base, they scrambled a military jet to intercept this thing. 0.98

01:50:08.000 He came up on it, could have landed on the damn thing. 0.99

01:50:10.000 It was so big. 0.99

01:50:10.000 And it went from moving very, very slowly to accelerating like warp drive. 0.99

01:50:15.000 Boom, just gone.

01:50:17.000 When the jet came back to the base, Luke Air Force Base, they had to carry him out of the plane, I'm told, because he was so shaken by what he saw.

01:50:26.000 Yeah, I can imagine you wouldn't handle that well.

01:50:28.000 Can you imagine having to keep that secret?

01:50:31.000 No.

01:50:31.000 Can you imagine taking the alternate— Well, the governor had to lie, right?

01:50:35.000 The governor had to stand up with a guy in a— Dressed in an alien suit.

01:50:39.000 Yeah, an alien costume.

01:50:41.000 Yeah, I hammered him on that one.

01:50:43.000 Well, then afterwards, once he left office, then he talked about it.

01:50:46.000 Yes.

01:50:46.000 And he talked about seeing it.

01:50:48.000 Yes.

01:50:48.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:50:49.000 I wonder why he had to do that, though.

01:50:51.000 I got...

01:50:51.000 Oh, well, so I interviewed him.

01:50:53.000 I was the one that got him to break his silence after 10 years.

01:50:57.000 And he told me, and I don't necessarily know that I fully believe it...

01:51:02.000 But he told – because initially when it happened in March – remember, the vast majority of people were out under the night sky to get a glimpse of the Hellbomb comet.

01:51:10.000 So it was witnessed all the way across the state of Arizona and even in Nevada, southern Nevada.

01:51:15.000 And yeah, there he is.

01:51:18.000 Fife told me that it was growing hysteria.

01:51:20.000 But initially he had set out – And he said, we're going to find out.

01:51:25.000 I'm contacting Luke Air Force Base, reached out to the Pentagon, and all these various services, and we're going to get to the bottom of it.

01:51:32.000 And then, I don't know how much longer it was.

01:51:34.000 Was it later that day, or was it the next day?

01:51:36.000 He held an unscheduled press conference, and that's when he had his aides dressed up in an alien suit and made a mockery of it all.

01:51:43.000 And I can assure you, pissed the hell off his constituents and the witnesses all across the state of Arizona.

01:51:49.000 They were furious.

01:51:51.000 And...

01:51:52.000 I confronted him on that 10 years after the fact, because I was pissed off.

01:51:57.000 I was investigating that case when it happened in the 90s.

01:51:59.000 And I interviewed a lot of really good witnesses, really good witnesses.

01:52:03.000 And he said the reason why he did it was because of growing hysteria, that he wanted to calm down the hysteria.

01:52:13.000 But did he get a phone call just saying, hey, kill this story?

01:52:17.000 No.

01:52:18.000 I lean in that direction, but even when we're having cocktails together, he's never confessed that that happened.

01:52:23.000 But it's awfully suspicious the way it all went down.

01:52:26.000 It's a little weird, especially considering he actually saw it.

01:52:29.000 That could have been a turning point in the UFO phenomenon reporting era, right?

01:52:36.000 Like suddenly you get this massive sighting, which would happen today.

01:52:39.000 today, we would have been covered by everybody's phones and whatever.

01:52:43.000 But if the governor had come forward and said, yeah, we need to figure out what that thing is.

01:52:47.000 I'm a former captain in the Air Force.

01:52:49.000 I'm a pilot.

01:52:49.000 And I saw it.

01:52:51.000 I don't know what the hell that thing was.

01:52:52.000 Is there any footage of the actual thing, the triangle boomerang?

01:52:56.000 There's some footage floating around.

01:52:58.000 And I featured some, and I know what I saw.

01:53:00.000 You got an object in the night sky with lights that...

01:53:04.000 At the time, in 2009, I did some kind of enhancement.

01:53:09.000 I'm sure the software is a lot better nowadays.

01:53:12.000 It looks like a big...

01:53:15.000 I can draw it.

01:53:16.000 Like a boomerang?

01:53:17.000 Yeah, but more angular.

01:53:19.000 It was like this.

01:53:22.000 Like this.

01:53:24.000 And my drawings are terrible.

01:53:26.000 Like that?

01:53:27.000 Look up at the screen?

01:53:28.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, kind of like that, yeah.

01:53:31.000 Mm-hmm.

01:53:32.000 Yep.

01:53:33.000 And so that image in the far left, that's...

01:53:37.000 But that's the...

01:53:38.000 Yeah, and there was...

01:53:38.000 That's it right there, right?

01:53:40.000 Yeah, and here's something that kind of throws off the trail here, because...

01:53:44.000 Look at that.

01:53:45.000 Excuse me.

01:53:45.000 The object came down of the state of Arizona.

01:53:48.000 It went from north to south.

01:53:49.000 Is that legit?

01:53:51.000 On the right there?

01:53:52.000 Yeah.

01:53:53.000 I... Honestly, I can't say...

01:53:56.000 I'd have to really do a deep dive into it, but let me tell you what happened, because this is brilliant.

01:54:00.000 So what happened was, you got this massive object from around 5.30 at night in the southern Nevada, and then it drifts down very slowly from north to south across the entire state of Arizona, and right around 7.30, 8, 8.30, the Berry-Goldwater mountain range, which is the direction it was heading in, the military decides to drop a bunch of flares.

01:54:26.000 And so people were like, oh, there it is!

01:54:29.000 And a bunch of people filmed the flares.

01:54:31.000 So in my opinion, it was a diversionary tactic that was brilliantly done, because why the military suddenly decided to drop flares in the shape of, somewhat of the shape.

01:54:41.000 So I think that some of the footage that you've seen out there is military flares, but there's And there was an effort, I don't know if you want to get into it right now, but there was an effort by the so-called MIB, these men in black, or whatever unknown government agency they come from, that took some footage that I was learning about.

01:55:05.000 During my investigations in the 90s and then you're looking at me like I'm crazy.

01:55:09.000 So the first time I really heard a really credible report of the MIB and I decided not to report on it was when I was in touch with a woman who was councilwoman, Frances Barwood, who was one of the few officials in Phoenix area that was saying, hey, let's investigate what these people are claiming to have seen.

01:55:28.000 She's not saying aliens have landed.

01:55:29.000 All she's saying is, hey, these people have a right to know what's going on.

01:55:32.000 Let's launch an investigation.

01:55:34.000 She was lambasted over the media, made fun of, ridiculed.

01:55:38.000 But as a result of her inquiry, public inquiry, and putting it out there, one of these individuals reached out to her.

01:55:45.000 And I know this because I know her, Francis Barber, and I heard the whole story.

01:55:48.000 And he was a...

01:55:50.000 He was a Vietnam vet, and he was on the roof of his house with a tripod and a camera, and he was trying to get a glimpse.

01:55:55.000 He was trying to film the pale bob comet.

01:55:57.000 And he had walkie-talkies, and he was monitoring the truck drivers driving up Interstate 10 from Tucson to Phoenix. 0.97

01:56:03.000 And so he's monitoring this, and he hears these truckers talking about a massive UFO, and he's like, shit, that's heading right towards my house. 0.95

01:56:10.000 He was like, I'll film it. 0.64

01:56:11.000 So he had a camera all ready to go, and the object went right over his house, according to him, and he filmed the whole thing.

01:56:17.000 And he goes, yeah, I filmed the whole thing.

01:56:18.000 It's pretty spectacular.

01:56:20.000 And I know that you're launching an investigation, Frances Barrawe.

01:56:22.000 Would you like to see it?

01:56:23.000 And she said, yeah.

01:56:24.000 So they made arrangements where he was going to drop it off at her office.

01:56:27.000 Either later that day or first thing the next morning, two representatives, and it was July at this point, and it was very hot, two men in dark suits showed up at his house, and they said, hey, um...

01:56:39.000 He was apparently relieved that's all he wanted.

01:56:41.000 He said they were quite menacing looking.

01:56:43.000 Didn't really say a lot.

01:56:44.000 They said, we're from Francis Barwood's office.

01:56:46.000 We're here to pick up that footage.

01:56:47.000 So he gives them the footage.

01:56:49.000 He said, the only question they ask him is, did they make any copies?

01:56:52.000 And he said, no.

01:56:53.000 And so they take the footage.

01:56:55.000 Off they go.

01:56:55.000 Well, he doesn't hear from Francis Barwood.

01:56:57.000 He's like, what the hell?

01:56:58.000 So a couple of days go by, I think possibly up to a week.

01:57:01.000 He calls her up and he says, and Francis will tell you this.

01:57:04.000 She'll validate what I'm telling you.

01:57:06.000 He says, hey, what'd you think of the footage?

01:57:08.000 She goes, well, what do you mean when I think of the footage?

01:57:11.000 I never got it.

01:57:11.000 You were going to drop it off at my office and you didn't show up.

01:57:14.000 He goes, well, I didn't have to.

01:57:15.000 You had two men from your office show up and pick it up.

01:57:17.000 She goes, I didn't send anybody around to your office.

01:57:19.000 And I know at the time, in the late 90s, I'd heard a couple of stories prior to that.

01:57:23.000 I thought, this is too out there.

01:57:25.000 This is too outlandish.

01:57:26.000 No one's going to believe this.

01:57:28.000 I have no proof of this other than her testimony.

01:57:30.000 Screw it.

01:57:31.000 And I didn't report on it.

01:57:32.000 But hearing those cases over and over and over, it's like, there we go.

01:57:36.000 Once again, the so-called evidence that could prove or disprove one way or the other that something truly extraordinary took place in the skies over Phoenix back in 1997 vanished.

01:57:46.000 But there is some that slip between the cracks that's out there.

01:57:49.000 You just have to do due diligence.

01:57:50.000 And I don't have the time to sip through all of it.

01:57:53.000 But those images that we're looking at, they look too clean.

01:57:55.000 Yeah.

01:57:55.000 Yeah, I don't know what's AI generated or whatever.

01:57:58.000 Or what could have been in a documentary, like a recreation.

01:58:00.000 I know what I saw features some of the footage.

01:58:03.000 I covered that case extensively.

01:58:05.000 So if anyone's interested in the Phoenix Lights case, that.

01:58:08.000 But I can tell you.

01:58:08.000 How many people saw it?

01:58:10.000 Oh, thousands.

01:58:11.000 Thousands.

01:58:12.000 I talked to another woman, Stacy Rhodes, and her daughter Emily, and they said they were driving on Interstate 10, and she goes, look, James, I'm going to tell you how big this thing was.

01:58:20.000 I said, how big?

01:58:21.000 She goes, first of all, there were people stopped on the freeway, just like stopped as this thing.

01:58:26.000 It was like close encounters floating over there.

01:58:28.000 She goes, I could have held up a newspaper like this and looked to the left, looked to the right, looked at that, and she said, I couldn't block this thing out.

01:58:36.000 That's how big it was, and it didn't make a sound.

01:58:38.000 It was gunmetal black.

01:58:40.000 It was witnessed by a lot of people.

01:58:41.000 That's why I say there's some events that have happened over the decades that are pretty brazen, and that's one of them.

01:58:46.000 Hudson Valley is pretty brazen as well.

01:58:47.000 I just wish I knew if it was true.

01:58:50.000 Well, when you get thousands of people seeing the same thing, if you see thousands of people saying the same thing, including the governor, the governor...

01:58:56.000 I know.

01:58:57.000 You get so invested in it, and you go, what happened?

01:59:00.000 The governor.

01:59:01.000 Yeah.

01:59:01.000 The governor.

01:59:02.000 Same guy who came out with a fucking guy dressed up like an alien. 0.99

01:59:04.000 Yeah, I know, but I got him to come clean ten years later. 0.99

01:59:07.000 Yeah, but so he's already not credible. 0.99

01:59:09.000 He already bullshits. 0.99

01:59:10.000 He does. 1.00

01:59:11.000 He bullshits. 1.00

01:59:12.000 He definitely bullshits. 1.00

01:59:13.000 He definitely bullshits. 1.00

01:59:14.000 You're right. 0.99

01:59:14.000 So there you go. 0.99

01:59:15.000 So when someone bullshits about that, they might bullshit about anything. 0.97

01:59:19.000 Well, true, yeah, but I mean... 0.98

01:59:21.000 Again, I'm just playing devil's advocate.

01:59:23.000 No, I hear you.

01:59:23.000 I hear what you're saying.

01:59:25.000 He hasn't been in a limelight a while.

01:59:27.000 It's a good thing to talk about now.

01:59:28.000 There's no smoke without fire.

01:59:30.000 There is so much evidence in terms of...

01:59:36.000 Eyewitness testimony and radar, some photographic, not as much as we'd like, that something truly inexplicable is taking place in our aerospace, right?

01:59:47.000 For sure.

01:59:47.000 Something that, after careful examination, something that, not because of a lack of data in some instances, but that after careful analysis and research, investigation, that comes out the other end and says...

02:00:00.000 I can't explain this as going to have to be one of those unknowns or, you know, falls into that 15% category of cannot provide a terrestrial or conventional explanation for.

02:00:13.000 And those are the cases that I've so desperately have been going after for a long time.

02:00:18.000 So is all this disclosure and those discussions on television now and all these meetings and hearings, so you think we're on an accelerated path?

02:00:28.000 Do you think this is all good, right?

02:00:30.000 I'm convinced of it, yes. 0.51

02:00:31.000 But do you think that there's a real possibility, like within the next few years, that they just completely drop all the bullshit and come clean about this stuff? 0.94

02:00:39.000 Or would it take some sort of extraordinary event where they had to admit it? 0.78

02:00:43.000 Something much bigger than this drone thing?

02:00:46.000 Well, in some respects, there has been...

02:00:49.000 I remember I interviewed this guy, Nick Pope, at the MOD years ago, and I was like, this is a time when we were pushing for transparency there.

02:00:57.000 France was releasing previously classified documents on UFOs, les ovnis, as they'd say.

02:01:03.000 The MOD followed suit.

02:01:04.000 They were releasing previously classified documents, slowly putting it out there.

02:01:07.000 And at the time, it was rather exciting.

02:01:09.000 I just did a big event at the National Press Club with Leslie Kane, and And it was like this whole movement.

02:01:13.000 It was like, oh my God, it's happening, right?

02:01:15.000 But it kind of petered out a little bit.

02:01:19.000 And I remember asking this guy that used to work the UFO desk at the MOD, Nick Pope, and I said, Nick, do you anticipate any type of disclosure?

02:01:26.000 This is like 2009 or something, 2008, 2009. And he goes, James, no.

02:01:31.000 He goes, it's going to be disclosure with a small d.

02:01:34.000 Not a big D. It's going to trickle out slowly.

02:01:36.000 Condition people, get people prepared, test the waters.

02:01:40.000 You know, one of the things that we explore in the program, and I've never done that, is the politics of disclosure.

02:01:44.000 It's a far more complex—let's just suspend judgment for a moment and assume that it's real, okay?

02:01:50.000 That there really is an NHI or non-human intelligence aspect to the phenomenon, right?

02:01:55.000 Let's just suggest that's real.

02:01:57.000 Now, how do you disclose that to the general public?

02:01:59.000 What about the impacts on organized religion?

02:02:01.000 What about the impacts on financial institutions?

02:02:03.000 What about the fact that we'd have to confess that we don't have full control over this?

02:02:08.000 I mean, those are real considerations.

02:02:10.000 And it's not just the United States, right?

02:02:13.000 This involves the planet.

02:02:14.000 This involves all the humanity.

02:02:16.000 I wanted to ask you about this.

02:02:17.000 Do you see what I'm saying?

02:02:18.000 It's more complicated, more complex than you think.

02:02:21.000 Oh, I totally get that.

02:02:23.000 How does Russia handle these things?

02:02:25.000 How does China handle these things? 0.76

02:02:26.000 Well, there was a case in China that happened in 1994, right around the time of Rua, Zimbabwe, also in 1994, called Mengziogua.

02:02:35.000 And it happened in the Black Mountains, and it was a landing, alleged contact, close to kind of the third kind.

02:02:42.000 It's funny because it happened right at the same time of Africa, similar message that was conveyed.

02:02:47.000 I went to China.

02:02:48.000 I met with an active general in uniform, talked openly about the UFO phenomenon.

02:02:53.000 They were pretty open.

02:02:54.000 I went to Russia in the late 90s.

02:02:57.000 And that was right before Putin.

02:02:59.000 It was right around the time when Putin was coming in.

02:03:01.000 And that was a period of openness.

02:03:04.000 And I went to Star City, Russia.

02:03:05.000 I interviewed a cosmonaut, Pavel Popovich, a number of generals.

02:03:10.000 And they were very open about it.

02:03:11.000 In fact, they said to me at the time, if you're here...

02:03:15.000 To discuss whether or not the UFO phenomenon is real, the door's right over there.

02:03:19.000 We're here to create an international coalition, an international exchange of information, and to talk about the implications of the phenomenon, which I thought was amazing.

02:03:28.000 This is like 25 years ago, right?

02:03:30.000 So now, I don't know if things have changed since Putin's been in office, but that was back in the late 90s.

02:03:35.000 I mean, they've been congressional hearings in Brazil.

02:03:37.000 There's been an effort. 0.98

02:03:39.000 I mean, shit, they had hearings back in 1978 at the United Nations that Lee Spiegel put on. 0.98

02:03:45.000 So there's been an ongoing effort for this stuff to come out. 0.99

02:03:47.000 I just think it's different this time.

02:03:49.000 To me, it feels like there's too much momentum behind it at this point.

02:03:55.000 And there's so much legislation that's written.

02:03:57.000 There's too much that's come out.

02:03:58.000 And it's too important.

02:03:59.000 Look, whether you believe it or you don't believe it, if you can just imagine for a moment if it is true and if the U.S. government does in fact have irrefutable evidence that we're not alone in the universe, that's so significant. 0.55

02:04:14.000 That we all have a right to that information and that we should continue to support this unprecedented push for transparency with our elected officials and get to the fucking bottom of it.

02:04:24.000 Why not? 0.70

02:04:24.000 Everybody agrees. 0.70

02:04:25.000 Right?

02:04:25.000 Yeah, I think everybody agrees.

02:04:27.000 I think the general public, no one's going to disagree with you about that.

02:04:29.000 Yeah, and the new administration's coming in.

02:04:32.000 There's Ratcliffe and Rubio.

02:04:33.000 I'm telling you, Rubio knows a lot.

02:04:35.000 I know that.

02:04:36.000 How do you know he knows?

02:04:36.000 Because I've talked to people that have debriefed him and have been in the room with him.

02:04:39.000 You haven't talked to him?

02:04:40.000 No, I have not.

02:04:42.000 No, I have not.

02:04:42.000 But I talked to people that were in the room when he was being briefed from first-handers.

02:04:47.000 I'm told that there were, I'm going to say right around 12 first-hand people that have had behind closed doors meetings.

02:04:58.000 First-hand people.

02:04:59.000 People that are concerned about their secrecy, concerned about their safety, concerned about the implications of them coming forward and going public, that they don't quite have, and this comes from a very good source of information, that the Witness Protection Program and the legislation that they've created around that is not quite there yet.

02:05:20.000 It's getting closer.

02:05:21.000 They need to continue to work on that.

02:05:22.000 You don't mean, like, witness protections program, like, put them in hiding.

02:05:25.000 Whistleblowers. 1.00

02:05:26.000 They have whistleblower protection.

02:05:27.000 I'm so sorry.

02:05:27.000 I meant to say that.

02:05:28.000 Excuse me.

02:05:28.000 Yeah.

02:05:29.000 Whistleblower protection is not quite in place.

02:05:31.000 One of the things I really wanted to mention is that there is a gentleman, a young man, who's 30 and he feels like he's old.

02:05:37.000 His name is Jesse Michaels, and he's got this new show called American Alchemy.

02:05:41.000 New.

02:05:41.000 It's a couple years old.

02:05:42.000 Why does he feel like he's old?

02:05:44.000 Because, you know, when you're 30, you feel like you're old.

02:05:45.000 Really?

02:05:46.000 Well, I did.

02:05:46.000 When I turned 30, I was like, oh, I'm 30, because just 10 years earlier, I was almost 19, right?

02:05:50.000 Or 11 years earlier, I was 19. Right.

02:05:53.000 You go from a teenager, suddenly you're 30, you always think like 30. And I was talking to him not too long ago, Jesse, and I said, he's like, yeah, I feel a little old.

02:05:59.000 I was like, dude, you are just getting into your prime, baby.

02:06:02.000 This is rock and roll time.

02:06:03.000 But I really wanted to, this is a guy who's young, Julian Doria is also doing some amazing work on this in podcasts, but he was young and is doing a deep dive into the implications and into...

02:06:15.000 He meets with aerospace engineers.

02:06:17.000 The guy's...

02:06:17.000 Jesse, you're a phenomenon.

02:06:19.000 Keep rocking and rolling.

02:06:20.000 I want to tip my hat to you.

02:06:21.000 I don't know if you've seen this guy or not.

02:06:23.000 No, I haven't.

02:06:24.000 He's doing deep dives into what's happening right now.

02:06:26.000 Maybe I have.

02:06:26.000 He's documented it with these podcasts, and he's doing a fantastic job, and I just got to tip my hat to the guy because...

02:06:32.000 He's ten times smarter than I'll ever be and he's young and he's a force to be reckoned with and he's really doing he's answering all the questions that you and I are exploring all these issues that you and I are talking about.

02:06:43.000 Well, I'm glad there's people out there pushing it, and I'm glad there's guys like Grush that are sticking their neck out, and guys like you who are making documentaries about it.

02:06:50.000 The subject is much more open to discussion, like I was saying, amongst serious people, where it didn't used to be before.

02:06:57.000 And now I think with this drone thing, I think there's so many people that are going, okay, even if they're ours, or they're China's, what's going on?

02:07:05.000 Why are there so many of them?

02:07:06.000 What are the answers, and why can't you tell us?

02:07:08.000 Is it because they're searching for a nuke? 0.98

02:07:10.000 Jesus Christ, maybe you should warn people and get the fuck out of here. 0.99

02:07:13.000 Is that really what's going on? 0.99

02:07:15.000 Like, if it's not, what is going on?

02:07:18.000 And if it's not ours, what are they?

02:07:20.000 And how come you can't track them?

02:07:22.000 How come, like, what kind of...

02:07:24.000 Very bizarre.

02:07:25.000 It doesn't even make sense.

02:07:26.000 It's very, very bizarre.

02:07:27.000 It doesn't make sense.

02:07:27.000 When you think of the capabilities of the United States military, it doesn't make any sense.

02:07:31.000 They can't figure out what's going on.

02:07:33.000 I think...

02:07:33.000 What Trump said is probably correct, that the government knows, they know what's happening, and they don't want to tell people.

02:07:39.000 Why wouldn't he, though?

02:07:40.000 He could tell us.

02:07:41.000 Why wouldn't he tell us?

02:07:41.000 I don't think he knows yet.

02:07:43.000 Until he gets into office, he gave a speech about it at Mar-a-Lago.

02:07:47.000 I saw that.

02:07:48.000 I saw that.

02:07:48.000 But did he say...

02:07:50.000 Well, let's watch it.

02:07:51.000 We'll watch it.

02:07:52.000 Pull a speech up.

02:07:53.000 Yeah, because I'm wondering if he...

02:07:54.000 Yeah, well, we're about to find out.

02:07:56.000 Yeah, essentially, he was saying that he knows that the government knows what's going on, and they're not telling us.

02:08:01.000 That means they're not telling him.

02:08:03.000 So they're not telling him.

02:08:04.000 No, I don't think until you get into office, you're not the president, right?

02:08:07.000 So he's the president-elect.

02:08:08.000 I don't know what kind of...

02:08:10.000 Clearances that he has.

02:08:11.000 Yeah, I don't understand how that works.

02:08:12.000 I'd be very curious to know what he knows.

02:08:15.000 Right.

02:08:15.000 Especially with this, like, who do you even ask?

02:08:18.000 Like, who is the person that can lay out the information?

02:08:21.000 Like, which department?

02:08:22.000 Which agency?

02:08:23.000 Yeah, right.

02:08:24.000 It seems like they're so compartmentalized.

02:08:28.000 Thank you.

02:08:29.000 Good to see you.

02:08:30.000 Good to see you.

02:08:31.000 Can you comment on the drones that are flying around New Jersey's reports?

02:08:35.000 It seems like the American people have a big distance.

02:08:37.000 The government knows what is happening.

02:08:41.000 Look, Our military knows where they took off from.

02:08:46.000 If it's a garage, they can go right into that garage.

02:08:49.000 They know where it came from and where it went.

02:08:53.000 And for some reason, they don't want to comment.

02:08:55.000 And I think they'd be better off saying what it is.

02:08:58.000 Our military knows and our president knows.

02:09:00.000 Our president knows.

02:09:01.000 And for some reason, they want to keep people in suspense.

02:09:04.000 I can't imagine it's the enemy, because if it was the enemy, they'd blast it out.

02:09:08.000 Even if they were late, they'd blast it out.

02:09:12.000 Something strange is going on for some reason they don't want to tell the people and they should because the people are really I mean they happen to be over Bedminster They're very close to Bedminster.

02:09:24.000 I think maybe I won't spend the weekend in Bedminster.

02:09:27.000 I've decided to cancel my trip Yeah, I think I won't spend the weekend in Bedminster.

02:09:33.000 Yeah Wow I bet someone told him Mr. President it's pretty important that you don't go to the golf course.

02:09:41.000 Yeah God, that's so crazy.

02:09:43.000 So what does that mean?

02:09:44.000 I gotta...

02:09:45.000 If you don't mind...

02:09:48.000 I was contacted...

02:09:51.000 Are you gonna switch the objection?

02:09:53.000 No, no, no, no.

02:09:54.000 This is all about exactly what we're talking about.

02:09:56.000 This is something that I really need to put out there because it's very important.

02:10:00.000 And it's an unprecedented effort spearheaded by this woman, Andrea, who runs a number of communities on Reddit.

02:10:06.000 And she said that they're banding together for the first time ever...

02:10:11.000 It's the biggest grassroots campaign for government transparency.

02:10:14.000 This is happening on Friday the 20th of December at 3 p.m.

02:10:19.000 Eastern Time.

02:10:20.000 And this has the potential to reach millions and millions of people.

02:10:24.000 It's the most unprecedented event on Reddit in history.

02:10:27.000 And I'll post all of the necessary information on X because this is a very grassroots effort.

02:10:34.000 And what are they doing?

02:10:35.000 At James C. Fox on X, formerly known as Twitter.

02:10:39.000 The Reddit community is banding together for a huge grassroots campaign for government transparency.

02:10:45.000 So basically all the various platforms on Reddit, like Paranormal, UFO, they don't usually get along too well, but they're all combining their resources and they're getting together for the first time ever.

02:10:56.000 And to push for government transparency, there's a couple of government insiders that appear in my film that will be appearing on this to answer questions and what steps need to be happening, what's going on today, and this is happening on the 20th of December.

02:11:11.000 3 p.m., and I'll be posting more information, the very specific details on X at James C. Fox.

02:11:17.000 I just wanted to get that out there before because...

02:11:21.000 Well, the more this stuff that happens, the better.

02:11:23.000 The more people demand it, the better.

02:11:25.000 The more politicians hear from the people and want to...

02:11:28.000 I mean, especially politicians that are up for reelection, and they want to show that they're doing what the people want them to do.

02:11:35.000 Yeah, I'd like to know more, but obviously I'm very happy that we're hearing much more about the subject in a serious way.

02:11:44.000 Yeah.

02:11:44.000 You know, whatever the hell's going on.

02:11:46.000 Yeah.

02:11:46.000 Well, I really encourage you to watch the program.

02:11:49.000 I will, 100%.

02:11:50.000 I went bent over backwards to put together and explain everything in layman terms, what's happened from 2017 to today, because it's unprecedented.

02:11:59.000 We're living in an unprecedented moment in history.

02:12:01.000 There's an unprecedented push for government transparency.

02:12:05.000 And I want to continue supporting our elected officials' bipartisan effort to get to the bottom of this.

02:12:10.000 And I especially want to throw a shout out to Representative Burchette because you're killing it, buddy.

02:12:16.000 Thank you.

02:12:16.000 Hey, Jamie, why don't you use ChatGPT and ask ChatGPT what's going on with the drones in New Jersey?

02:12:22.000 That'd be very curious to hear about that.

02:12:23.000 Yeah. 0.95

02:12:23.000 That's a damn good idea. 0.95

02:12:24.000 And maybe then ask Rock. 0.95

02:12:26.000 But ask ChatGPT what is really happening with the drones in New Jersey?

02:12:36.000 Let's just see what ChatGPT says.

02:12:37.000 So tell me how that works.

02:12:39.000 I don't know.

02:12:39.000 We're going to find out.

02:12:40.000 It's AI, right?

02:12:42.000 And what is really happening with the drones in New Jersey?

02:12:47.000 Let's see.

02:12:49.000 So what does ChatGPT say?

02:12:52.000 Chad GPT is going to search the web.

02:12:54.000 Oh, this is amazing.

02:12:55.000 Okay.

02:12:55.000 Numerous children have been reported across New Jersey and other East Coast.

02:12:57.000 It's incredible how fast this is.

02:12:59.000 Look how fast.

02:13:00.000 Look at this.

02:13:01.000 This is incredible.

02:13:01.000 They found no evidence suggesting threat to national security or public safety.

02:13:04.000 Despite these assurances, some local officials and residents remain concerned.

02:13:08.000 For instance, Belleville Mayor Michael Melham...

02:13:11.000 Speculated the increased drone activity might be related to the search for missing radioactive material from the medical facility in New Jersey.

02:13:17.000 Additionally, the public figures like Bethany Frankel have shared unverified theories about the drone's purposes, further fueling speculation.

02:13:25.000 The situation is evolving and authorities continue to monitor and investigate new reports.

02:13:30.000 Residents are advised to report any suspicious drone activity to local law enforcement and avoid taking matters into their own hands like shooting them down.

02:13:37.000 People are shooting them down.

02:13:39.000 They're shooting them down!

02:13:40.000 They're eating the dogs! 0.90

02:13:42.000 They're eating the cats! 0.93

02:13:42.000 It's the same thing to shoot down drones as it could pose safety risks and violate laws. 0.93

02:13:47.000 Now ask ChatGPT...

02:13:49.000 Let's just keep going with ChatGPT for a little bit because you're asking it again.

02:13:55.000 Ask ChatGPT, if I live in New Jersey, should I get out of town?

02:14:03.000 Are you serious?

02:14:04.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:14:05.000 If I live in New Jersey, should I get...

02:14:08.000 Out of town.

02:14:09.000 Should I evacuate?

02:14:10.000 Yeah, should I evacuate?

02:14:11.000 Let's say evacuate, because get out of town is like a colloquialism.

02:14:15.000 Should I evacuate?

02:14:19.000 Okay.

02:14:19.000 This is amazing.

02:14:20.000 At this time, there's no official recommendation for residents of New Jersey.

02:14:24.000 Uh-huh.

02:14:25.000 Follow official updates.

02:14:27.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:14:29.000 Okay.

02:14:31.000 As a precautionary measure...

02:14:32.000 Are you sure?

02:14:33.000 I love that.

02:14:35.000 Sometimes you always have to ask...

02:14:36.000 No federal evacuation orders.

02:14:38.000 Okay, it knows that there's no federal evacuation orders.

02:14:41.000 If you were going to give me advice, would you tell me to leave the East Coast? 0.99

02:14:50.000 Advice is fucked up. 0.99

02:14:59.000 There we go. 0.99

02:15:02.000 Based on the current information provided by trusted authorities, there's no evidence of an imminent threat.

02:15:08.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:15:09.000 Could you imagine?

02:15:10.000 Put this in.

02:15:12.000 Could you imagine a scenario where these drones are actually looking for a nuclear bomb?

02:15:26.000 And if so, would you advise me as a preemptive measure to evacuate?

02:15:38.000 I type so much worse when people are watching.

02:15:45.000 I'm so impressed at how well he's typing.

02:15:47.000 Actually, I really am.

02:15:49.000 While it's possible to imagine scenarios involving drones searching for dangerous materials such as a nuclear bomb, there's no verified information suggesting such an extreme situation.

02:15:58.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:15:59.000 How about this?

02:16:01.000 I think Tuck this in.

02:16:05.000 If I put it in grok and fun mode, we might get it.

02:16:06.000 But hold on a second.

02:16:07.000 Try this.

02:16:08.000 Is there a non-human intelligence behind it?

02:16:10.000 Listen, I think the drones are looking for a nuclear bomb, and I am going to leave New Jersey.

02:16:21.000 Where should I go?

02:16:24.000 It's all Montana.

02:16:25.000 How far away should I go?

02:16:26.000 Oh, that's okay.

02:16:27.000 If you leave New Jersey as a precautionary measure, here are some suggestions for a place to relocate temporarily.

02:16:32.000 You're doing good.

02:16:33.000 Head west.

02:16:33.000 Okay, so now we're getting better.

02:16:34.000 So now it's saying go further away.

02:16:38.000 Colorado, consider...

02:16:39.000 Scroll back up so I can read that, where it said Colorado.

02:16:42.000 Consider Durango, Grand Junction, or areas outside of Denver.

02:16:46.000 These are safe and equipped with modern infrastructure.

02:16:49.000 They're telling you to move...

02:16:51.000 This is telling you to get away from big cities.

02:16:53.000 Durango.

02:16:54.000 Tennessee, the Smoky Mountain region, and Gatlinburg or Knoxville provides natural beauty, lower cost of living, and a sense of isolation.

02:17:00.000 They're telling you how to rebuild civilization.

02:17:03.000 Okay, if a nuke goes off...

02:17:05.000 Where to go?

02:17:06.000 If a nuke goes off on the East Coast, type this in, Jamie.

02:17:11.000 If a nuke goes off on the East Coast, where should I be to be safe?

02:17:24.000 Oh my gosh.

02:17:25.000 If you're concerned about potential nuclear incident, here's a list of safest options based on geographic, environmental, and strategic factors.

02:17:32.000 Montana, Colorado, Wyoming, Idaho, sparsely populated, vast distances from major cities and military targets.

02:17:40.000 Towns like Bozeman, Jackson Hole, Sandpointe are beautiful remote and away from the fallout paths.

02:17:45.000 Jesus Christ.

02:17:47.000 I'm curious, what would happen if you asked, chat, GBT, is it?

02:17:52.000 GPT. GPT. If, what percentage of UAP represent a non-human intelligence?

02:17:58.000 Okay, that's a good one.

02:18:00.000 What percentage of UAP represent a non-human intelligence?

02:18:11.000 Really curious.

02:18:12.000 I was just pulling it from the internet.

02:18:14.000 I know, but let's see what it says.

02:18:15.000 Yeah, but still...

02:18:16.000 Could represent non-human intelligence remains unknown and speculative.

02:18:19.000 Current investigations by UAP organizations like the U.S. government emphasize the following.

02:18:26.000 Most UAPs have conventional explanations. 0.97

02:18:28.000 Oh, this is Project Blue Book bullshit. 0.61

02:18:30.000 5 or 10 percent of UAP cases remain unidentified even after thorough analysis. 0.97

02:18:35.000 These cases, I was like 15 to 20, but yeah, 5 to 10 percent.

02:18:38.000 Evidencing consisted with known human technology.

02:18:41.000 No conclusive evidence for non-human intelligence while some UAP cases are puzzling.

02:18:47.000 The government has not officially...

02:18:49.000 Okay.

02:18:50.000 Type this in.

02:18:52.000 Commander David Fravor...

02:18:58.000 Encountered a tic-tac-shaped craft in 2005. What's 2004?

02:19:11.000 2003. 2003. That defied our understanding of known physics.

02:19:23.000 Period.

02:19:24.000 What do you think he saw?

02:19:27.000 Wow.

02:19:30.000 In 2004, I'm sorry.

02:19:33.000 A tic-tac-shaped craft remains one of the most compelling and well-documented UAP cases in modern history.

02:19:39.000 Key details of the encounter.

02:19:40.000 Craft describes smooth, white, oblong, resembling a tic-tac, no visible propulsion, wings or exhausts, played extraordinary flight characteristics, accelerated instantly from a hovering position, descended from 80,000 feet to near sea level in seconds.

02:19:53.000 Fravor reported the object mimicked his movements during their engagement and then vanished at extreme speed.

02:19:59.000 It's possible the craft was an ultra-secret military project, either U.S.-based experimental aircraft, aerospace technology, or developed by another nation.

02:20:07.000 However, the extreme flight performance raises doubt.

02:20:10.000 Such advanced technology would suggest a significant leap beyond publicly known capabilities, which is inconsistent with current engineering limits.

02:20:19.000 Sensor anomaly or perception issues...

02:20:21.000 I asked the heads of Arrow if they could explain that one, and they said no.

02:20:28.000 If, no, type this in.

02:20:30.000 It's a really good case.

02:20:32.000 If all accounts of the capabilities of the Tic Tac craft are true, what are the possibilities that what are the possibilities that it came from another planet?

02:20:56.000 What are the possibilities that it came from another planet?

02:21:15.000 Say it loud so people can hear you.

02:21:17.000 Okay, so if the accounts of the Tic Tacs craft capabilities are accurate, instantaneous acceleration, hypersonic speeds without visible propulsion, no heat signatures and defiance of inertia, then the possibilities of origin being extraterrestrial or from another planet become a viable hypothesis.

02:21:35.000 Here's why.

02:21:36.000 The physics of the Tic Tac craft.

02:21:37.000 Reported behavior of the craft suggests technology that operates beyond our current understanding of physics and propulsion systems.

02:21:43.000 No visible propulsion.

02:21:45.000 It implies propulsion system unrelated to conventional jets or rockets.

02:21:49.000 Instantaneous acceleration defies inertia.

02:21:51.000 In Newtonian physics, achieving this would require manipulating gravity or space-time itself.

02:21:56.000 Silent operation, no sonic booms, despite hypersonic speeds, points to a technology that likely eliminates air resistance, such as surrounding itself in an electromagnetic field or bubble.

02:22:08.000 This level of technological advancement far surpasses anything developed on Earth.

02:22:13.000 If true, such capabilities would suggest a highly advanced civilization, perhaps thousands or millions of years ahead of us scientifically.

02:22:21.000 If true, where do you think it came from?

02:22:24.000 Type that.

02:22:25.000 This was 20 years ago.

02:22:26.000 I know, but if true, where do you think it came from?

02:22:31.000 How about this?

02:22:33.000 It's still typing.

02:22:34.000 Jesus Christ.

02:22:35.000 Final thoughts.

02:22:36.000 Look at that.

02:22:37.000 It's writing a whole turn paper on this.

02:22:38.000 It's amazing how fast it does it.

02:22:40.000 It's amazing how fast it does it.

02:22:42.000 Wow.

02:22:43.000 If the Tic Tac UAP is real and the accounts are accurate, then its origin may very well be extraterrestrial or involve unknown physics and technology that we haven't begun to comprehend.

02:22:53.000 The extraordinary nature of the case suggests an equally extraordinary explanation.

02:22:59.000 What do you think? 0.99

02:23:00.000 Why are you asking me, bitch? 1.00

02:23:01.000 Your chat GPT. What do you think? 1.00

02:23:02.000 Does extraterrestrial visitation seem plausible?

02:23:04.000 Or is there another explanation that resonates more with you?

02:23:07.000 So type this.

02:23:09.000 I believe...

02:23:11.000 it seems plausible that they are extraterrestrial in nature.

02:23:16.000 Good luck.

02:23:23.000 If true, comma, if true, where do you think they came from?

02:23:30.000 Let's see. - I don't know.

02:23:38.000 Identifying where they might come from involves exploring nearby stellar systems, known exoplanets, and plausible scientific ideas about interstellar travel.

02:23:47.000 Here are the most likely possibilities.

02:23:48.000 Nearby star systems with habitable zones.

02:23:51.000 Alpha Centauri system 4.37 light years away the closest star system to Earth Proxima Centauri Potentially habitable planet exoplanet Orbiting Proxima Centauri within the habitable zone if life developed there might be technologically advanced enough for interstellar exploration Bernard so it's giving me a list of all the potential possibilities possible star systems that This one's only 39 light years away.

02:24:16.000 What was the closest one Alpha Centauri was at?

02:24:18.000 Was that four light years or something?

02:24:21.000 I don't know.

02:24:21.000 Scroll back up.

02:24:22.000 Scroll back up a little bit.

02:24:23.000 3.9 million?

02:24:25.000 4.3.

02:24:26.000 Alpha Centauri, 4.3 light years away.

02:24:28.000 Pretty close.

02:24:28.000 Wow.

02:24:29.000 But here's the crazy part.

02:24:30.000 Pretty close.

02:24:31.000 Remember the twin paradox theory?

02:24:35.000 twins, right, as kids, say one's 10, they're both 10, and you put one in a spaceship that travels the speed of light for one year, he would come back with an atomic clock on board that spacecraft, a year older, CB-11, and his brother would be an old man.

02:24:51.000 I can't wrap my mind around that.

02:24:55.000 Right.

02:24:55.000 But they say it's pretty much fact.

02:24:57.000 But that's speed, right?

02:24:59.000 I think what we're talking about is different than speed.

02:25:02.000 I think it's instantaneous.

02:25:04.000 Instantaneous relocation.

02:25:06.000 Right.

02:25:06.000 So I think instead of like...

02:25:09.000 Manipulate the space sign between the two points?

02:25:11.000 Right.

02:25:11.000 So I think the idea is that instead of a rocket that goes 5 million miles an hour and just shoots off of Earth and keeps going until 5 million years from now, it runs into this planet.

02:25:22.000 I think it's different than that.

02:25:24.000 I think if I had to guess where something can manipulate gravity and space, what it would do is instantaneously appear in these new places.

02:25:38.000 And you've talked to a lot of physicists about this kind of stuff, huh?

02:25:41.000 I have.

02:25:41.000 And the way they explained it is baffling.

02:25:44.000 And Bob Lazar's version of it is baffling.

02:25:47.000 Because Bob Lazar's version of it, that he told in 1989, kind of makes sense when you talk to people that are trying to develop some sort of a gravity or a warp drive.

02:25:59.000 And the way Bob Lazar explained it is that...

02:26:02.000 This element, when bombarded with radiation, creates this...

02:26:05.000 I'm really butchering it for sure.

02:26:07.000 Creates some sort of a...

02:26:10.000 Gravity field that allows it, the way he described it, like, if you took a mattress, a very soft mattress, and put a very heavy bowling ball in the middle of the mattress, it pushes the mattress down to that area, and that this, like, folds time.

02:26:23.000 Right, so you go from here to here, but when you stretch it down, suddenly those two points connect.

02:26:28.000 It folds it, yeah.

02:26:29.000 Right.

02:26:29.000 And so wherever it is, it's here.

02:26:32.000 So it's not like it's going...

02:26:34.000 A million light years.

02:26:36.000 A million light years an hour.

02:26:38.000 Space is malleable.

02:26:39.000 Exactly.

02:26:40.000 Well, it makes sense.

02:26:41.000 If you think about how technology scales, and if we do, I mean, Ryan brought up this yesterday as well, that there was research and there was papers written about the idea of having some sort of a gravity drive.

02:26:56.000 Or having some sort of a gravity propulsion system, something that doesn't rely on conventional, you know, rockets, pushing gases out the back.

02:27:03.000 That's for sure.

02:27:04.000 Exactly.

02:27:05.000 And he said that this was something that was discussed a long time ago, but then it just stopped.

02:27:09.000 And, you know, we brought it up quite a while ago, there was an episode that we brought up, a paper that was written in the 1960s about gravity drives.

02:27:18.000 Was that by Hal Puthoff?

02:27:19.000 I do not know.

02:27:20.000 Because he's like a propulsion expert in terms of the physics behind UFOs.

02:27:25.000 And I tried to get him to explain it to me in sort of conventional, layman terms, and of course my tiny little brain.

02:27:32.000 But I felt like I almost grasped it for a moment, but the amount of power that it would take to create that gravitational field Around the object.

02:27:40.000 And he said that's why you see them doing these maneuvers that look like it defy physics, right?

02:27:45.000 And then everything inside the craft would just splatter.

02:27:48.000 That you're immune from that on the inside, according.

02:27:52.000 Which also would make sense.

02:27:53.000 I'm so not a physicist.

02:27:54.000 What am I talking about?

02:27:55.000 Right.

02:27:55.000 But that would also make sense if you had something like that, that you could go in the ocean as well.

02:27:59.000 Right?

02:28:00.000 Because whatever's around you wouldn't matter, because you're not affected by it.

02:28:04.000 Right, you're somehow creating a field around you that's immune to whatever.

02:28:08.000 That would be the only thing that would make sense, how it could move so fast underwater.

02:28:12.000 Atmospheres, space, water.

02:28:14.000 And how it would be transmedium.

02:28:15.000 It can go from space into the water.

02:28:18.000 It's unaffected by gravity.

02:28:19.000 It's unaffected by all the things around it.

02:28:21.000 It creates its own gravity field.

02:28:23.000 It allows it to just pass through things.

02:28:25.000 I remember Kirk McConnell, the Senate Armed Service Committee, who investigated UFOs from 2017. I talked about them earlier.

02:28:31.000 But he said that they were picking up...

02:28:33.000 Aegis radar systems were picking these objects up basically from space.

02:28:37.000 And they were shooting down from space all the way down.

02:28:40.000 They'd loiter for as long as they wanted to, go in the water, come back out again, shoot back up into space, and they would just do it all day long.

02:28:50.000 And there was nothing...

02:28:51.000 Well, we can't see that, right?

02:28:54.000 If there's someone in the military that does have some super advanced satellite reconnaissance imagery of these things, I could see why they would hold that back.

02:29:07.000 I could see why they would think that people aren't ready for that.

02:29:09.000 I could see it.

02:29:10.000 Do you think Elon knows?

02:29:12.000 He's real cagey about it.

02:29:13.000 He is cagey about it, and he's got deals with the DOD, and he's got satellites and everything.

02:29:17.000 Yeah, that's probably why.

02:29:17.000 That's probably why.

02:29:18.000 I'd be cagey about it, too.

02:29:19.000 He knows more than what he's saying.

02:29:21.000 This is what he said.

02:29:22.000 If aliens are real, they're very subtle.

02:29:25.000 That's what he was saying.

02:29:26.000 I was like, I don't know if they're subtle, man.

02:29:28.000 Phoenix Lights wasn't that subtle.

02:29:30.000 If that's aliens.

02:29:31.000 I heard from some people around him that because of his contracts with DOD, that he kind of keeps quiet about it.

02:29:37.000 I'm sure.

02:29:38.000 Everybody talks about, I mean, even Ratcliffe talked about the satellite imagery of UAP. I mean, if they're picking it up, why wouldn't his systems pick it up?

02:29:46.000 He hasn't said a peep about the drone thing.

02:29:49.000 And you haven't asked him about it?

02:29:50.000 Nope.

02:29:51.000 If he wants to tell me, he'll tell me.

02:29:52.000 I'm not going to be that guy.

02:29:53.000 I'm not going to be annoying.

02:29:54.000 But publicly, like on X, has he said anything about the drones?

02:30:00.000 He said something a couple weeks ago, I believe.

02:30:03.000 I think it was a couple weeks ago.

02:30:04.000 I'll check right now.

02:30:04.000 But there's a big drone storm or a big drone fight coming, and people are taking that as like, he knew this was happening.

02:30:10.000 A big drone fight coming? 0.91

02:30:13.000 Well, you know, he's been real public about the idea that building manned fighter jets is, at this point, kind of foolish. 0.61

02:30:21.000 You know, and I think he's correct.

02:30:24.000 So unpiloted only.

02:30:26.000 Yeah.

02:30:26.000 I mean, I think...

02:30:27.000 Takes the fun out of it.

02:30:28.000 Well, it takes the biological mistakes out of it, is what it does.

02:30:31.000 Right.

02:30:31.000 It takes the human mind out.

02:30:33.000 The human mind is very fallible.

02:30:34.000 We already know that AI systems, like Mike Baker explained to us, that AI systems with fighter jets beat actual fighter jet pilots 100% of the time.

02:30:44.000 Really?

02:30:45.000 Yes.

02:30:46.000 When they have these simulated dogfights, when they take AI fighter jets that we have right now, they beat our fighter jet pilots, the best of the best, 100% of the time.

02:30:56.000 So, they don't have any biological limitations in terms of what they can deal with the chief forces.

02:31:02.000 So you have that, right?

02:31:04.000 So all you have to do is make the equipment and the materials robust enough so they can take insane speeds and not blow apart.

02:31:11.000 But it certainly would be way easier to do that than it would be to get a human being to be safe in it.

02:31:17.000 So much less badass though.

02:31:19.000 So what does he say?

02:31:20.000 Oh, so he clicked on it.

02:31:21.000 Future wars are all about drones and hypersonic jets.

02:31:24.000 So this is us talking about that.

02:31:26.000 This is us talking about fighter jet pilots by humans will be destroyed very quickly.

02:31:30.000 So he talked about it.

02:31:32.000 So he put a clip up of us talking about it on the podcast.

02:31:34.000 This was in November, November 28th.

02:31:37.000 And so, neither side is air superiority and tanks are easily destroyed by missiles, so that leaves infantry and artillery, basically World War I. Drones are not yet available in sufficient numbers to matter, much like aircraft in World War I. A defense in depth trench war means, and then some modern example.

02:31:54.000 That was like two years ago.

02:31:55.000 So did you get the impression when you spoke to Elon about UFOs that he knew more than he was telling you?

02:32:01.000 You said he's cagey?

02:32:02.000 Yeah, he doesn't even entertain the idea of UFOs.

02:32:06.000 So if you bring up the Fravor incident, he'll just say, no, it didn't happen?

02:32:09.000 He doesn't seem interested.

02:32:11.000 I don't know.

02:32:11.000 I mean, I would imagine what you're saying is true, that it's not wise for him to discuss it.

02:32:17.000 That's what I would imagine.

02:32:18.000 Yeah.

02:32:18.000 If he wants to tell me, he'll tell me.

02:32:19.000 And if he wants me to tell no one, I'll tell no one.

02:32:22.000 Yeah.

02:32:22.000 If he wants to tell me and say, don't tell anybody, I won't tell anybody.

02:32:26.000 But I'm not going to ask him. 0.99

02:32:28.000 I think his position as being the guy at SpaceX, why would you fuck around with that? 0.99

02:32:34.000 He's got too much at stake. 0.99

02:32:35.000 Yeah, there's way too much at stake.

02:32:37.000 Also, if anybody's going to find out, he's going to find out.

02:32:41.000 If there's something going on, if there's something legitimately going on.

02:32:44.000 The guy who can catch rockets with a crane, that's the guy.

02:32:48.000 He's going to know.

02:32:48.000 I thought the first time I saw that, it was like AI generated.

02:32:51.000 It seems fake.

02:32:51.000 I was watching the thing come down, and I just thought that's insane.

02:32:54.000 The ones that land before that, those are insane, and now you can catch them?

02:32:57.000 They don't even have to land?

02:32:59.000 It's nuts.

02:32:59.000 What he's done is just accelerate what we are capable of doing far beyond what NASA was able to do just a few years ago.

02:33:07.000 I used to have a neighbor that worked for Elon Musk and he drove a Tesla way early on when Teslas weren't that many out there.

02:33:15.000 And I was like, whoa, you got a Tesla?

02:33:16.000 He's like, yeah, I actually worked for Elon Musk, blah, blah, blah.

02:33:18.000 And I saw him a couple years later and I was like, hey, you're not driving Tesla anymore.

02:33:21.000 And he goes, no.

02:33:23.000 He goes, I don't work for Elon anymore.

02:33:25.000 I was like, oh, I'm sorry to hear that.

02:33:27.000 What happened?

02:33:27.000 And he goes...

02:33:28.000 He goes, well, he works so hard and his expectations are so high.

02:33:32.000 He goes, I was at the hospital with my wife as she was giving birth to our first child, and Elon's like, I need you in the office.

02:33:39.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

02:33:40.000 He said, he goes, I could, you know, the guy's got an incredible work ethic, but it was too much.

02:33:47.000 He goes, I'm at the hospital.

02:33:49.000 He goes, I don't care where you're dressed to work. 0.55

02:33:52.000 Yeah.

02:33:52.000 It's like pretty brutal.

02:33:54.000 That's brutal.

02:33:54.000 Wasn't he sleeping in the...

02:33:56.000 He was sleeping in the...

02:33:57.000 Sure.

02:33:57.000 Yeah, he was sleeping, working 16 hours a day and sleeping on the floor.

02:34:01.000 Wow.

02:34:01.000 Yeah.

02:34:01.000 That's commitment.

02:34:03.000 Well, he demands that of other people too.

02:34:04.000 And, you know, maybe you want that and maybe you don't.

02:34:07.000 And if you don't, you can't work there.

02:34:09.000 It's just that simple.

02:34:10.000 Like, if you want that, hop on in.

02:34:12.000 If you're a single guy and you don't have a wife and you don't have children.

02:34:15.000 Yeah.

02:34:16.000 But if you do, oh boy, that's not a life for...

02:34:19.000 That's not a life for me.

02:34:20.000 I wouldn't want that job.

02:34:21.000 I think the closest thing to a spaceship on wheels is a Tesla.

02:34:24.000 Oh, they're amazing.

02:34:25.000 Pretty remarkable.

02:34:26.000 I've had three of them.

02:34:26.000 This is my third.

02:34:27.000 The acceleration is just...

02:34:28.000 It's incredible.

02:34:29.000 It's like a gut punch.

02:34:30.000 Yeah.

02:34:31.000 And they're getting better.

02:34:32.000 They're getting...

02:34:32.000 The autonomous driving is incredible now.

02:34:34.000 I remember when somebody said to me, they were like, you know, step on the...

02:34:37.000 You know, show me the acceleration.

02:34:38.000 And I stepped on it, a Model 3 performance.

02:34:43.000 And...

02:34:43.000 Seems fake.

02:34:44.000 I got nauseous.

02:34:45.000 Yeah.

02:34:45.000 I wasn't quite ready.

02:34:46.000 I turned myself a little sideways or something.

02:34:48.000 I felt nauseous.

02:34:50.000 I was like, wow, I ride motorcycles.

02:34:52.000 I would do all this stuff.

02:34:53.000 But now I prepare myself for that.

02:34:55.000 That's really fast.

02:34:56.000 That's super bike fast.

02:34:57.000 It's crazy fast.

02:34:58.000 And it can actually...

02:34:59.000 The beautiful thing is you can merge on the highway and you don't seem like a douchebag because you're not like...

02:35:04.000 It's not really loud.

02:35:05.000 It's super quiet.

02:35:06.000 It's all stealthy.

02:35:08.000 Yeah.

02:35:08.000 It's all of a sudden going 100 miles an hour.

02:35:10.000 What happened?

02:35:10.000 Yeah.

02:35:11.000 I remember I got a ticket years ago on a motorcycle and the guy that bought the bike was...

02:35:15.000 It had a loud exhaust pipe, which I ended up getting rid of.

02:35:17.000 I didn't like the loud exhaust pipe.

02:35:18.000 It's too loud.

02:35:19.000 And I got pulled over and the cop never even saw me.

02:35:21.000 He just heard me.

02:35:22.000 And he wrote me up exactly how fast I was going.

02:35:24.000 He's like, you're doing 90 to 35. I'm like...

02:35:27.000 I was?

02:35:28.000 He was like, oh yeah, I can hear you.

02:35:30.000 I went up through the gears and I put a quiet.

02:35:32.000 So yeah, quiet is nice.

02:35:35.000 Quiet has its benefits.

02:35:36.000 Well, it doesn't in a motorcycle, though.

02:35:37.000 You want to be loud so people don't hate you.

02:35:39.000 That's true.

02:35:39.000 I drive like the invisible man when I'm on a motorcycle.

02:35:42.000 You have to.

02:35:44.000 I've had people look me right in the eyes and they pulled right out in front of me.

02:35:46.000 People want to.

02:35:47.000 T-boned, side-swiped.

02:35:49.000 And also, people are like...

02:35:51.000 How many people are medicated?

02:35:52.000 I don't think they see you as a threat.

02:35:54.000 I think they see you as like, you're almost like a gnat or something.

02:35:57.000 I've learned, and I tell people that I've been riding bikes for 50 years.

02:36:00.000 As soon as you get on that bike, you become the invisible man.

02:36:03.000 Right?

02:36:04.000 Right.

02:36:04.000 Pretend no one gets here.

02:36:05.000 Pretend that no one can see you.

02:36:07.000 You'll live a lot longer.

02:36:08.000 You can make eye contact with somebody.

02:36:09.000 It doesn't mean they see you.

02:36:10.000 Right.

02:36:11.000 I've had people pull out in front of me.

02:36:12.000 Like I said, I've been T-boned and all kinds of crazy accidents over the years.

02:36:15.000 I wish they weren't so dangerous because I would love to drive them.

02:36:17.000 Oh, they're amazing.

02:36:19.000 I know.

02:36:19.000 You just have to be, like I said, you just, you know.

02:36:21.000 Yeah, until you're not.

02:36:22.000 I had three friends.

02:36:23.000 I was getting my motorcycle license.

02:36:26.000 How long ago?

02:36:26.000 It was a while ago.

02:36:28.000 Ten years?

02:36:28.000 So it was a couple of us that worked on Fear Factor, a couple of the guys that worked on the set.

02:36:32.000 We all decided to go and take lessons together.

02:36:35.000 And shout out to Peter Hirschko.

02:36:36.000 And he wound up getting his motorcycle.

02:36:39.000 He kept driving it. 0.91

02:36:40.000 But one of the guys we worked with, he crashed his bike and fucked up his shoulder.

02:36:45.000 And then one of the guys who was fighting for the UFC, Frank Mir, he got hit by a car.

02:36:50.000 He got t-boned and ran into his femur, snapped his femur, and he almost lost his leg.

02:36:56.000 It fucked up his career for years.

02:36:59.000 So there was that, and then I saw a guy on the highway that was covered in a blanket.

02:37:06.000 Oh, God. 0.96

02:37:06.000 Yeah, he was alive, but his leg was so fucked up that they covered in a blanket so that passerbys wouldn't rubberneck it. 0.96

02:37:14.000 There's three of those. 0.93

02:37:15.000 And then another friend of mine saw someone get hit, saw someone get rear-ended, someone not paying attention in their car, rear-ended a bike, and had the guy flying through the air at a red light.

02:37:24.000 So that was enough for me.

02:37:26.000 Yeah, I know.

02:37:26.000 I became a dad and I had two motorcycles right before I became a dad and I sold them.

02:37:30.000 And then after 10 years I was like, maybe I can get just like a dirt bike?

02:37:34.000 Because I really enjoy riding.

02:37:36.000 There's nothing like it being on a motorcycle.

02:37:37.000 Imagine if you get a dirt bike and then a mountain lion takes you out. 0.99

02:37:40.000 God damn it. 0.99

02:37:41.000 I have a dirt bike with a motor. 0.99

02:37:43.000 Yeah, but even with a motor.

02:37:45.000 I don't know if a mountain lion would be scared of a motor.

02:37:47.000 Yeah, I'd be able to outrun it.

02:37:48.000 I think most of the time they get bicyclers.

02:37:51.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

02:37:52.000 Most of the time they kill bicyclers.

02:37:53.000 It's nuts.

02:37:54.000 Yeah.

02:37:56.000 So let me ask your honest opinion.

02:37:58.000 I know we're wrapping up here.

02:37:59.000 Okay.

02:38:01.000 If you had to say whether you believed or you didn't believe, and look, you can't make any definitive statements.

02:38:08.000 I get that.

02:38:09.000 But you're a very influential individual.

02:38:14.000 I hate to use the word disclosure.

02:38:16.000 It's got a bit of a buzz, a bit of a connection to it.

02:38:19.000 A push for government transparency on this topic, right?

02:38:22.000 If you had to say something truly inexplicable that most likely would lead to NHI or non-human intelligence or not conventional, What would you pick, ultimately, that you think there is possibly a non-human intelligence behind this or that there is not?

02:38:38.000 I wish I could be definitive like that.

02:38:40.000 I know you can't be definitive.

02:38:41.000 I try to stay as open-minded on this as possible, which means I fluctuate back and forth.

02:38:48.000 From fully believing to fully believing it's a military experiment, and it's a bunch of our stuff.

02:38:55.000 But then there's stories like the Tic Tac, where you go, okay, 2004?

02:39:01.000 How?

02:39:01.000 How could they do that in 2004?

02:39:03.000 Is there a propulsion system available in 2004 that's that far advanced?

02:39:08.000 And if so, how come there's so little evidence of it in, like, In a practical use, like how come that technology, you would think that technology would take so much money to develop that you would do something with it in 20 years.

02:39:23.000 You wouldn't just have it and just be flying it around like a drone every now and again.

02:39:27.000 It would seem like there would be some sort of a practical application for something like that.

02:39:31.000 And it seemed like the Manhattan Project and like the stealth bomber, eventually you find out that it's a real thing, right?

02:39:38.000 So 20 years is a long Time to not find out that something's real.

02:39:42.000 Well, how about if we take it up to a lot longer than that?

02:39:46.000 What about the 1952, two consecutive weekends in July over the White House in the Capitol?

02:39:52.000 And that was, we had a press conference about that.

02:39:55.000 Sure.

02:39:55.000 A guy in general that basically admit that they're real.

02:39:58.000 Kenneth Arnold, you know, those stories.

02:40:00.000 That was phenomenal, yeah.

02:40:01.000 And then you've got to go to the Bhagavad Gita, you know?

02:40:04.000 Like, there's stories of things.

02:40:06.000 The historical stuff is incredible, isn't it?

02:40:08.000 Like, think of the guy that showed up with the blue skin.

02:40:10.000 Is that an angel?

02:40:11.000 Is that a devil?

02:40:11.000 Like, if you were living 4,000 years ago, you were one of the people that wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls.

02:40:17.000 He'd be a god.

02:40:17.000 What is that?

02:40:18.000 What is that visitation that you've experienced?

02:40:21.000 With a craft, it would be connected with a god, right?

02:40:24.000 Right.

02:40:24.000 And also the story, when you tell the story.

02:40:28.000 And then someone illustrates it.

02:40:30.000 How does it even relay in words, especially you're using the words of 4,000 years ago?

02:40:35.000 What are you describing?

02:40:37.000 And if they really have always been here and they've always been visiting us, that's probably how you would describe it.

02:40:43.000 You would describe it like Ezekiel did in the Bible.

02:40:45.000 Yeah, you know, I was in Africa investigating the alleged landing and closing kind of the third kind at Rue Zimbabwe Aerial School in 1994. I wasn't there in 94. I was there much later.

02:40:56.000 And the teacher, Judy Bates, who's now the head principal, and she was sharing with me these drawings that children did of the alleged creatures.

02:41:05.000 And they were amazing, these drawings, big eyes and big heads, almond-shaped eyes, blah, blah, blah.

02:41:11.000 And I'm looking at these drawings, one after the other, from all these school children.

02:41:14.000 It was phenomenal.

02:41:16.000 No, I took photographs of them.

02:41:18.000 And then a month later, I went to Australia, and I was investigating an alleged landing that happened at Westall Primary School in 1966. And that was incredible.

02:41:28.000 I was there investigating, and I was showing some of the drawings of the alleged aliens that I just had investigated in Africa.

02:41:35.000 And some of the people were like, oh, wow, these drawings are amazing.

02:41:38.000 They look like the Wangina cave art.

02:41:40.000 I was like, the what?

02:41:41.000 The Wangina cave art, the aboriginals drew these things, and so they pulled it up, Wangina.

02:41:46.000 And the parallel, they're thousands of years old, right?

02:41:49.000 These cave paintings in Australia.

02:41:51.000 The parallels, the consistencies, the comparison of the two was like fantastic.

02:41:57.000 Let's take a look at those real quick.

02:41:59.000 Let's look at that before we leave.

02:42:01.000 Cave painting, UFO or alien.

02:42:04.000 There's most likely something there.

02:42:06.000 I just don't know.

02:42:07.000 And if it's a thing.

02:42:09.000 So let's say if it's a real thing.

02:42:11.000 Is it from another planet or is it more complicated than that?

02:42:14.000 I think it's more complicated than that.

02:42:15.000 Yeah.

02:42:16.000 Well, that's Choc-Vale's. 1.00

02:42:17.000 See that?

02:42:17.000 Yes.

02:42:18.000 Yeah.

02:42:18.000 Very bizarre.

02:42:19.000 Right?

02:42:20.000 I mean, look at that one right there with the dark eyes.

02:42:22.000 Super, super bizarre.

02:42:22.000 Look at the three of them.

02:42:23.000 Isn't that the one in the center, Jamie?

02:42:25.000 Yeah, that one.

02:42:25.000 Look how weird that is, man.

02:42:27.000 That's so fucking weird. 0.99

02:42:28.000 Look at the one with the dark black eyes right there. 0.99

02:42:31.000 Look how pale they are, too.

02:42:33.000 It's like...

02:42:33.000 Yeah.

02:42:34.000 It's very weird.

02:42:35.000 And then there's that one with the big dark eyes, right?

02:42:37.000 Down, just go straight down.

02:42:38.000 Up, down.

02:42:39.000 Yeah, right.

02:42:39.000 Up to the right.

02:42:40.000 Right there.

02:42:42.000 Look at that.

02:42:42.000 Very weird.

02:42:43.000 Very weird.

02:42:44.000 Isn't that crazy?

02:42:44.000 And it's also very weird how this is 4,000 years old and then Close Encounters of the Third Kind, the 1970s.

02:42:51.000 4,000 years old.

02:42:52.000 And I'm telling you, I could show you the drawings.

02:42:56.000 One of the witnesses...

02:42:58.000 Very weird.

02:43:00.000 Yeah, it's just phenomenal.

02:43:02.000 Listen, man, thank you for everything.

02:43:04.000 Thanks for what you do.

02:43:05.000 Thank you so much for having me on.

02:43:06.000 My pleasure. 0.88

02:43:07.000 I mean, you're fucking dogged determination to get this stuff out there. 0.90

02:43:13.000 It's very important. 0.95

02:43:14.000 You promise you'll watch the program?

02:43:16.000 I will 100% watch it.

02:43:17.000 Comment on it?

02:43:18.000 Definitely.

02:43:18.000 I will.

02:43:19.000 I will.

02:43:19.000 Thank you, sir.

02:43:20.000 Awesome, brother.

02:43:20.000 Appreciate you, James.

02:43:21.000 Thank you very much.

02:43:22.000 I appreciate you so much, Joe.

02:43:22.000 Thank you.

02:43:23.000 It's on Amazon, the program, and then Moment of Contact is probably available everywhere, right?

02:43:29.000 Yeah, and the phenomenon.

02:43:30.000 Yeah.

02:43:30.000 I know what I saw out of the blue.

02:43:32.000 Okay.

02:43:33.000 50 years of denial.

02:43:34.000 Oh my God, it goes back.

02:43:36.000 Yeah, you've been deep in this rabbit hole for a long time, sir.

02:43:41.000 Thanks, James.

02:43:41.000 I appreciate you very much.

02:43:42.000 All right.

02:43:43.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - December 24, 2024

Joe Rogan Experience #2246 - James Fox

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