The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2248 - Michael Waddell

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00:00:12.000 What's going on, my man?

00:00:13.000 Joe.

00:00:14.000 Is that Bigfoot on your shirt?

00:00:15.000 That is.

00:00:16.000 It is Bigfoot.

00:00:17.000 Non-vegan?

00:00:19.000 How do they know Bigfoot's not a vegan?

00:00:21.000 See, I don't know.

00:00:22.000 I mean, but I think he's got canines like us, so there's a good chance that he does eat meat, you know?

00:00:27.000 I think hunters are the number one argument against Bigfoot being real.

00:00:31.000 I've never met a hunter who's seen Bigfoot.

00:00:34.000 No, and especially some of your guests you've had on, and on top of, I mean, even myself, and now you spend a lot of time in some pretty desolate places, and all the trail cameras, we should have gotten one picture.

00:00:46.000 Yeah, trail cameras throw a big monkey wrench into that Bigfoot thing. 0.68

00:00:49.000 I agree, and I'm always, it's still, you know, the conspiracy of that, I'm still, every time I check, especially when you get in those deep, dark places out west and all throughout the country, and even the south, I'm thinking, maybe just this time.

00:01:02.000 It would be fun.

00:01:03.000 It would be fun, but it's just, it's very unlikely.

00:01:07.000 I mean, there's only like two Jaguars in the United States, and they know exactly where they are. 1.00

00:01:11.000 Well, that's exactly right.

00:01:13.000 I mean, I was thinking back and even listening, you know, like you had Rinella, of course Cam, a lot of my hunting buddies and people I look up to as well, Remy Warren, all those guys.

00:01:22.000 And you start thinking about the amount of time we spend in the woods, and we don't even see a mountain lion.

00:01:27.000 You talk about the wolves.

00:01:29.000 All these wolves are starting to be reintroduced, and you still don't see them a lot of times.

00:01:33.000 They're there.

00:01:34.000 But then again, you capture them on trail cameras, you know, in the middle of the night.

00:01:38.000 But yet Yeti or Sasquatch, only Jack Link's beef jerky has seen him.

00:01:43.000 I saw him on a Super Bowl commercial.

00:01:45.000 Yeah, they're in a lot of commercials.

00:01:47.000 They're in movies.

00:01:48.000 I think they used to be real.

00:01:49.000 I think it used to be a real thing.

00:01:51.000 I mean, they know there's a thing called the Gigantopithecus that lived somewhere around 100,000 years ago that was a bipedal hominid that was 8 to 10 feet tall.

00:01:59.000 Holy cow! 0.96

00:02:00.000 In the orangutan family, I think they believe it was.

00:02:03.000 That'd be something to get Graham Hancock on.

00:02:05.000 We need to get him back to find that creature.

00:02:09.000 He's busy.

00:02:10.000 He's busy with a lot of other shit.

00:02:12.000 It's like just trying to sort out the past, trying to sort out human history.

00:02:18.000 That was some of the most intriguing.

00:02:19.000 I was dug deep into that and then went, because of hearing him on the podcast, and went and watched, just finished season two, watched season one soon after I'd seen him here first.

00:02:30.000 It's pretty compelling.

00:02:31.000 It's pretty amazingly compelling.

00:02:33.000 Yeah.

00:02:34.000 Well, once you realize, first of all, that there's real physical evidence that something happened around 11,800 years ago, that the Earth was most likely pounded with asteroid debris.

00:02:46.000 And it probably fucked civilization up pretty bad, and it can happen again.

00:02:50.000 Makes complete sense.

00:02:53.000 I mean, hearing his perspective on it and how he researched it, and it's from the standpoint, there's, you know, as we know, politics and everything gets involved in everything.

00:03:05.000 And it's just almost like he was a journalistic, really smart, intellectual guy who was intrigued.

00:03:11.000 It's just a good approach the way he studied it to me that made it even more compelling.

00:03:15.000 And then the findings he did find, I don't know, I was very intrigued by that.

00:03:19.000 You know how he really got into it?

00:03:21.000 He got into it researching the Ark of the Covenant.

00:03:21.000 No.

00:03:24.000 Yeah, because in Ethiopia, there's a specific church in Ethiopia that has always been rumored to be the place where the Ark of the Covenant is stored.

00:03:24.000 Really?

00:03:34.000 And there's these guarders of this, these people that are guards of this area.

00:03:39.000 And they all develop cataracts.

00:03:41.000 They all have like radiation poisoning.

00:03:43.000 And they're guarding this one particular area.

00:03:45.000 They won't let anybody look at it.

00:03:47.000 They won't let anybody talk about it.

00:03:49.000 And Graham got fascinated by this.

00:03:51.000 And then he started doing a deep dive into history and historical accounts of the Covenant and the Ark and all these bizarre stories that have lasted throughout history.

00:04:04.000 And the real evidence that there was really sophisticated societies that lived thousands and thousands of years ago when we kind of assumed that people were hunters and gatherers.

00:04:14.000 Egypt is a great example of that. 0.97

00:04:16.000 Like, whatever they were doing there was Fucking insane.

00:04:18.000 Right.

00:04:19.000 I mean, the structures that they made, still today, we look at them and go, what the hell were you guys doing?

00:04:23.000 Like, yeah, how was this made?

00:04:24.000 Yeah.

00:04:25.000 And he believes that society had reached a very, very sophisticated level of technological achievement and then something happened.

00:04:33.000 And now we're living in like a rebuild.

00:04:36.000 Even though we're very sophisticated, you know, in terms of technology, our technology has gone in a completely different direction than theirs did.

00:04:44.000 And where did Graham ever, in his conclusion in some of that about the covenant, did he ever think that it's still there?

00:04:51.000 They think it's still there, yeah.

00:04:52.000 So some people thought it might have burned up in Jerusalem, I think it was.

00:04:55.000 See if you can find where that is, Jamie.

00:04:58.000 It's supposed to be in some church in Ethiopia.

00:05:00.000 Oh, Jamie's already got it.

00:05:02.000 I just had watched something on that because I'm intrigued by all that kind of stuff.

00:05:06.000 Well, you know, when you really start digging deep into it, it's very fascinating.

00:05:10.000 This one particular place has been protected for so long and all these people that have supposedly seen it describe something that's, you know, Trump apparently has like a model of the Ark of the Covenant at Mar-a-Lago.

00:05:24.000 No way.

00:05:25.000 Yeah, see if you can find that.

00:05:26.000 Yeah, he's got a recreation of the Ark of the Covenant in Mar-a-Lago.

00:05:32.000 And that whole covenant was pretty cool based on how, you know, God had said, look, you know, had an intervention saying, this is how big it's got to be.

00:05:39.000 It was built out of a certain wood, inside and out, gold, the handles, everything was there to hold the commandments.

00:05:48.000 But then I saw something to where, I don't know if Jamie...

00:05:51.000 Jamie and Mike could probably pull it up, but where some people speculate it could be under the Catholic Church.

00:05:57.000 I heard that.

00:05:58.000 Like in the Vatican or something?

00:05:59.000 In the Vatican, yeah.

00:06:00.000 They've got a lot of shit in the Vatican.

00:06:02.000 Oh my goodness.

00:06:03.000 No, I haven't, but I heard you talk about, you went and had the guide and said it was amazing.

00:06:03.000 Have you ever been there?

00:06:08.000 It's incredible.

00:06:09.000 They have so much.

00:06:10.000 They have billions of dollars in art.

00:06:11.000 Like, where'd you guys steal all this from?

00:06:14.000 It's back in the Roman days. 1.00

00:06:16.000 Look at this.

00:06:17.000 This is Trump's replica of the Ark of the Covenant at Mar-a-Lago.

00:06:21.000 That's just like...

00:06:22.000 Pretty fucking wild.

00:06:24.000 And it's almost exactly the replica of what it's assumed to have been looked like.

00:06:30.000 Well, I mean, I think that's a recreation based on biblical accounts.

00:06:34.000 Very strange.

00:06:34.000 Absolutely.

00:06:35.000 Well, maybe Trump can take us and show it to us, man.

00:06:37.000 What did you say, Jamie?

00:06:37.000 That'd be cool.

00:06:39.000 I was trying to figure out if...

00:06:40.000 It might have just been there temporarily.

00:06:40.000 I mean, clearly it was there.

00:06:42.000 It looks like that...

00:06:43.000 It might be on display in Israel or something?

00:06:45.000 I don't know.

00:06:46.000 So it's a replica that travels around?

00:06:48.000 Is that what it is?

00:06:49.000 Temporarily?

00:06:50.000 Is that Mar-a-Lago?

00:06:50.000 I can't find that it lives there, but there's definitely obviously people with pictures of it.

00:06:54.000 Bro, if I had Trump money, I'd have one built.

00:06:56.000 Make me another one of these.

00:06:57.000 Oh, why not?

00:06:57.000 Come on.

00:06:58.000 I would, too.

00:06:59.000 I would, too.

00:07:00.000 It's a cool thing to have on display.

00:07:02.000 I mean, I wonder what it was.

00:07:04.000 I mean, if these guys really are guarding it in Ethiopia, what is the radiation from?

00:07:08.000 Why are they all developing cataracts and radiation sickness?

00:07:12.000 And we've all watched Harrison Ford try to find it.

00:07:14.000 Exactly.

00:07:15.000 Exactly.

00:07:16.000 It's so fun.

00:07:18.000 It is fun.

00:07:18.000 All that ancient civilization stuff is so fun because it is really kind of a mystery, you know, and it's fascinating when, and I'm sure you've been hunting before and you found arrowheads.

00:07:29.000 Yes, a lot.

00:07:30.000 When you find one of those, you're picking up this piece of history.

00:07:33.000 You've got to imagine, some Native American was napping this flint on his knee, sitting there, who knows how many thousands of years ago.

00:07:41.000 Exactly.

00:07:42.000 They find 3,000, 4,000-year-old arrowheads, and you've just got to go, God, what was life like then, man?

00:07:49.000 Oh, I can only imagine.

00:07:50.000 And like where I'm from in Georgia, and obviously you and I both love archery, but all the arrowheads I find are quartz.

00:07:57.000 So we have very little flint.

00:07:59.000 And I'm not at all historically sound on understanding everything.

00:08:03.000 I mean, I got friends.

00:08:04.000 Actually, Jeff Foxworthy is one of those guys.

00:08:07.000 He lives right down the road.

00:08:08.000 He is obsessed with Indian artifacts and has an amazing collection.

00:08:12.000 It goes across the country.

00:08:13.000 You know, it's hard.

00:08:14.000 You can call Jeff right now.

00:08:15.000 You probably can't get him to Austin to come do this.

00:08:17.000 But then all you got to do is tell them, hey man, I just plowed up a field and it rained and we just found two nice flint heads.

00:08:23.000 He'd probably be here tomorrow.

00:08:24.000 I mean, he loves it.

00:08:25.000 He's eat up with it.

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00:09:35.000 Seriously, get on this.

00:09:37.000 This is a dude I know who has a ranch out here, and he finds them all the time.

00:09:40.000 It's Comanche territory where his ranch is in the hill country.

00:09:43.000 And he, every day...

00:09:45.000 Go to that guy's page, Whitworth, J.W. Whitworth.

00:09:49.000 J.M. Whitworth?

00:09:50.000 J.W. Whitworth.

00:09:51.000 I think it's J.W. But he's got incredible arrowheads.

00:09:55.000 He's, like, just obsessed with finding them on this ranch.

00:09:59.000 And this ranch apparently was just overrun by the Comanche. 0.97

00:10:02.000 It's very fertile and rich and, you know, soil is great and a lot of, you know, water habitat, a lot of deer.

00:10:09.000 And so they must have just camped there and lived there for a long time.

00:10:12.000 It's JM, but it's also private.

00:10:14.000 Oh, it is?

00:10:16.000 Oh, he's private now?

00:10:17.000 That's probably because we blew him up.

00:10:20.000 I think that's when he went private, because he didn't used to be private, but that's some of the things that he finds.

00:10:25.000 See, that's amazingly beautiful stuff.

00:10:27.000 He sent me a couple of them.

00:10:29.000 There's a company I found, actually I was in Illinois at this, it was a beer and deer fest in Illinois, and I went by this booth.

00:10:37.000 See, that is absolutely gorgeous.

00:10:40.000 Yeah, Remy said that that was probably used for fishing.

00:10:42.000 Very well could have been.

00:10:43.000 Because it's so large, you said it's probably used to shoot fish.

00:10:47.000 It seems that a lot of the arrowheads, the ones that was actually attached to shoot with archery, were a lot smaller.

00:10:55.000 Some people might argue that...

00:10:56.000 I don't know enough about it.

00:10:57.000 Is it a spearhead?

00:10:59.000 I was like, look at this, I found.

00:10:59.000 I found some heads.

00:11:00.000 Well, that's a spearhead, or that's this, or that.

00:11:02.000 You find somebody like Remy, or I got a friend named Ike Rainey who's really...

00:11:07.000 Big into artifacts, and if you find something, what you think it is, it's kind of like the first time I hunted in Africa.

00:11:12.000 I thought I'd shot a spring buck, or I thought I'd shot a diker, and it turned out it was a spring buck.

00:11:18.000 It's like, oh, okay, there's only 7,000 species of animals out here.

00:11:22.000 So I think arrowheads are the same way.

00:11:24.000 It's amazing.

00:11:25.000 But to think, you're right.

00:11:26.000 I mean, think of somebody sat down thousands and thousands of years and napped that out.

00:11:31.000 And how many times did they not get it right?

00:11:33.000 You can say, that's perfect.

00:11:34.000 Yeah, they probably had to do a lot of them.

00:11:36.000 A lot of them probably broke off wrong.

00:11:38.000 Oh, yeah.

00:11:39.000 I mean, it's probably not a very good success rate, especially when you're working with Flint.

00:11:43.000 Yeah.

00:11:44.000 And you're just chipping away at it.

00:11:45.000 But when they get good at it, it's such an art.

00:11:47.000 Yeah.

00:11:48.000 Like, when you pick one up, like a real Flint Arrowhead guy, there's a lot of guys that make them now, though, unfortunately.

00:11:54.000 So there's a lot of forgeries.

00:11:55.000 Correct.

00:11:56.000 Yeah, because a lot of nerds, a lot of archery nerds, they get real good at it and then just leave them scattered around places or pretend they found them.

00:12:03.000 Exactly.

00:12:03.000 You could do that.

00:12:03.000 You know?

00:12:05.000 You totally could do that, but that's a legit one that was actually pulled out of the ground.

00:12:09.000 It makes me less whine when, you know, like if you're out in Utah and you have success in elk woods and you're...

00:12:15.000 Butchering an elk and trying to get them packed out when you're just having to resharpen your knives.

00:12:19.000 Like, it's the least I can do is resharpen this knife.

00:12:21.000 I mean, these guys had to nap out ahead.

00:12:23.000 I mean, how long did that take just to go hunting elk, you know?

00:12:25.000 Yeah, they lived for thousands of years with no metal.

00:12:28.000 Oh, I know.

00:12:29.000 I'll tell you something that's interesting.

00:12:30.000 We hunted in a place in Montana where it was on the Milk River, and they had what they called a buffalo drop on this property.

00:12:36.000 Oh, wow.

00:12:37.000 And so if you went to where this buffalo drop was, you could go to the base of it and you could find – there wasn't any much left now.

00:12:45.000 We used to hunt back in the day.

00:12:47.000 Mostly in the...

00:12:48.000 I hadn't been since 2000. I think it was 7 or...

00:12:51.000 2010 was the last time I had went out there.

00:12:53.000 But at the base of that, you used to find all kinds of bones, you know, bison bones, you know, buffalo and stuff.

00:12:59.000 But you would sometimes find these little tiny heads.

00:13:03.000 And they didn't look like this.

00:13:05.000 They're real small.

00:13:05.000 Which is interesting what Remy brought up.

00:13:07.000 Maybe that was for fishing or something.

00:13:09.000 I don't know.

00:13:09.000 But all the heads we would find would be tiny little, almost like bird points is what I felt like I wanted to call them.

00:13:15.000 I heard them called before.

00:13:16.000 And supposedly what they did was, is they didn't necessarily, weren't trying to kill the buffalo.

00:13:22.000 They would herd them and they would just kind of peck them with the arrows and then they would run the buffalo off of this cliff.

00:13:29.000 And so It would basically die coming off the cliff.

00:13:33.000 And it was so cool, across the valley, you could still see all those stone rings to where, supposedly, the ladies or the squaws would sit there and look back. 0.98

00:13:42.000 And as soon as the men basically had, you know, whatever amount of buffalo, I guess, over the drop, they would come and butcher.

00:13:49.000 And the men would go back and, you know, smoke the peace pipe and relax.

00:13:53.000 So, uh...

00:13:53.000 Times have changed a lot.

00:13:55.000 I thought that was interesting.

00:13:56.000 Remy was telling me about this one site where they had a buffalo drop and the pile of buffalo was so large and there was so much decay that it actually created a fire.

00:14:06.000 Holy cow. 0.89

00:14:07.000 It started on fire because they're all just rotting and fermenting and there's some sort of combustion.

00:14:13.000 And so the entire side of the cliff was black from these buffalo falling off of this place, rotting, and then combusting. 0.99

00:14:22.000 Created a fire.

00:14:23.000 Yeah.

00:14:24.000 I mean, I don't even know how that would work.

00:14:25.000 I don't either, but I do know that those buffalo drops do exist, and it's pretty fascinating.

00:14:31.000 And the place we're hunting is a private landowner.

00:14:34.000 He was a rancher, had some cows, and He was very funny.

00:14:38.000 He did not want us to video on any of our episodes or anything to do.

00:14:42.000 And back then, we were videoing.

00:14:44.000 I was working with Bill Jordan, and we had a show on TNN back in the day.

00:14:47.000 And he's like, do not bring your cameras.

00:14:50.000 I don't want any TV cameras around here, because they'll come.

00:14:53.000 All of a sudden they'll set this up as a historical site.

00:14:56.000 So he was really funny about it.

00:14:59.000 I didn't even take a lot of pictures of it because I was always like, hey, this guy didn't want us to take any pictures and talk about it.

00:15:05.000 But man, every time I'd come back for morning hunt or we'd go scout, I'd come back and I'm like, man, I want to go to Buffalo Drop.

00:15:11.000 It's like a little kid, like a little 10-year-old kid, Boy Scout.

00:15:14.000 I'm like, look at this, here's a head or here's a buffalo horn or skull.

00:15:18.000 Most of everything that would have been there It had already been picked through because it was right off kind of a county road.

00:15:24.000 And so most of the locals knew about it.

00:15:26.000 And of course, you know, he's had kids and grandkids just kind of rummaged through it.

00:15:30.000 But it was pretty interesting.

00:15:31.000 But every time you'd go, you'd find something.

00:15:32.000 So it was really interesting.

00:15:34.000 It just really stretches your mind and your imagination to imagine living like that back then.

00:15:40.000 And that these people, while, you know, Rome was being built, the Colosseum, Europe, all these different places in the world, these people were living the same way people lived tens of thousands of years ago right here.

00:15:53.000 It's crazy.

00:15:54.000 And now it seems like we're so far removed from it, but yet as we talk about it, that romance hadn't left.

00:16:01.000 And even getting a chance to chase a bull elk, there's still some amazing rural wild places out there that you can kind of revisit.

00:16:07.000 And that was the first thing I noticed is all the Native American pictures you had.

00:16:13.000 I hunt a lot with Native Americans, a lot with the Navajo Nation.

00:16:16.000 I've become like family, or they become like family to me.

00:16:19.000 I go out there every year and The resources they have.

00:16:22.000 You know, I know Cam hunts a lot, you know, as a muscalero and different places.

00:16:26.000 And I don't know, man.

00:16:27.000 And even sadly, even amongst the natives, some of that culture is being lost with them more.

00:16:33.000 And so we even go out every year and do a hunt with their kids.

00:16:36.000 take 15 to 20 Navajo youth hunting every year out there with the Navajo Game and Fish.

00:16:42.000 And they have a lot of mentors, Gloria Tom, who she's just stepping down, but she was the kind of in charge out there. 0.55

00:16:48.000 And we would go and work with people like Jeff Cole and that whole Navajo Nation, the families, and we'd take just their kids, the kids of the Navajo Nation hunting. 0.99

00:16:55.000 And sadly enough, they're like a lot of kids in America eating Little Debbies and playing It's like, man, you've got 17 million acres in your backyard.

00:17:04.000 Come on, bro.

00:17:05.000 You're supposed to be the damn eagle.

00:17:08.000 You've got to fly and dip down.

00:17:10.000 I'm even out here at your room, and me too.

00:17:14.000 I have all kinds of Native Americans.

00:17:16.000 My heroes were Native American hunters, like Ishi, who taught Pope and Young how to Bowhunt.

00:17:23.000 Oh, really?

00:17:24.000 Yeah.

00:17:24.000 Issue out of California.

00:17:25.000 I think he come back and he basically taught those guys who were doctors.

00:17:33.000 He introduced them to bowhunting.

00:17:35.000 And then Pope and Young, as we kill an elk, we think, oh, is he big enough to go Pope and Young?

00:17:39.000 Explain to people what Pope and Young is for people who don't know what we're talking about.

00:17:42.000 Pope and Young is...

00:17:44.000 So basically Pope and Young were two guys that basically just kind of revolutionized archery as we know it a lot of times.

00:17:49.000 I mean, obviously throwing around names, you got to talk about Fredbear and stuff like that.

00:17:53.000 But prior to that, there was an Indian named Ishi out of a California tribe.

00:17:58.000 And I'm not good enough at remembering exactly what tribe that was, but there's a lot of cool information that you can read.

00:18:04.000 Obviously, if you ever get your hands on Saxton Pope and Arthur Young, any books, it's fascinating.

00:18:09.000 Like my favorite book of all time is called The Adventurous Bowman.

00:18:12.000 A friend of mine, Jeff Johnson, who's a writer, gave it to me, and I read it all the time.

00:18:16.000 And even my kid, I read him that book at night, you know, and this talks about their first venture into Africa and when they went there, when they hunted grizzly, when they hunted elk the first time.

00:18:25.000 And so these guys were kind of based on what I can assume seemed to be pretty much city slickers who had basically a patient called Ishi who taught them how to hunt.

00:18:36.000 And pictures of him, you can still see him.

00:18:38.000 He looks like he's dressed at a Ted Nugent concert in 1969, you know.

00:18:42.000 Jumping off the amps.

00:18:44.000 And so now that's become, similar to Boone and Crockett, Pope and Young is an organization that's formed around celebrating certain animals that are trophy aspect.

00:18:54.000 And if you get, say, a white-tailed deer that nets 125 inches on the Pope and Young scale, you can enter them into the Pope and Young record books.

00:19:02.000 And every category of species, like elk, bear, caribou, moose, so on and so forth, has that.

00:19:07.000 And so it's just kind of to celebrate...

00:19:09.000 A lot of the heritage of archery.

00:19:10.000 And so Pope and Young, a lot of people don't know it, but that basically is the basis of what it come from.

00:19:16.000 But it starts back to, guess what?

00:19:18.000 A Native American, these arrowheads, they passed it on.

00:19:21.000 And so now we're kind of carrying on that same tradition.

00:19:25.000 And so as a student of the game, it's like, it's so cool to talk about a...

00:19:28.000 There they are.

00:19:29.000 Oh, look at that.

00:19:29.000 Yeah.

00:19:30.000 Wow.

00:19:31.000 Look at that.

00:19:32.000 That's cool.

00:19:33.000 Is there any...

00:19:34.000 Can you find, Jamie, is that Ishii?

00:19:36.000 That's Ishii and Saxton Pope right there.

00:19:38.000 There's Ishii there.

00:19:39.000 Oh, wow.

00:19:40.000 Can you imagine?

00:19:41.000 Look at that.

00:19:42.000 You're learning from the source.

00:19:44.000 Yeah.

00:19:44.000 I mean, they...

00:19:45.000 And there's so many amazing stories.

00:19:48.000 What year was this?

00:19:49.000 Man, I don't even know.

00:19:50.000 It had to have been in the...

00:19:53.000 I don't know.

00:19:53.000 Was it 20s?

00:19:55.000 Or maybe 1900. I know it was early.

00:19:58.000 You know what's fascinating when you think about what we enjoy?

00:20:01.000 We enjoy archery.

00:20:03.000 1912. 1912. So that guy, you know, that is like he was alive in the 1800s.

00:20:08.000 Absolutely.

00:20:09.000 So he was doing that.

00:20:11.000 Like that's literally from the source.

00:20:12.000 And there's another thing, and it's crazy to think about this.

00:20:16.000 Another thing I read and heard told, because obviously, you know, you travel around and it's always trying to figure out, you know, what's fact or fiction.

00:20:23.000 But I'd listen to Casey Means on this podcast.

00:20:27.000 We're talking about our food.

00:20:28.000 Supposedly, Ishii, who come in, who was actually living very primitive, but come in and once he started hanging around and got westernized, quickly got fat because I don't know if Little Debbie's is around then.

00:20:40.000 No.

00:20:40.000 It was the only thing I hated about the whole Casey Meade, that whole podcast.

00:20:43.000 I was like, man, I used to love a good oatmeal pie, and now I'm sitting here like, I don't know that glass of milk.

00:20:48.000 Should I even partake?

00:20:49.000 But I think he gained a lot of weight and started getting a lot sicker.

00:20:53.000 And the food back then was so much better than the food we have now.

00:20:56.000 Yeah.

00:20:57.000 Just around a lot of people, and all of a sudden he was trying to fight Probably viruses and diseases and getting an abundance of a certain food he wasn't used to.

00:21:06.000 And supposedly, I think he got a little heavier and less healthy just being around.

00:21:10.000 Probably a lot of grains and sugar.

00:21:11.000 Probably, I'm sure.

00:21:12.000 He was probably eating mostly meat before that.

00:21:15.000 Probably so.

00:21:15.000 Just a fish out of the creek and backstrap out of a mule deer.

00:21:20.000 The way everybody did for thousands of years.

00:21:22.000 It's just so interesting that if it wasn't for guys like Pope and Young and Fred Bear, I mean, how many people were evangelizing bow hunting back then?

00:21:31.000 I mean, how many people were making it something that was, you know, because as soon as rifles came along, the way everybody looked at it was, oh, rifles are better.

00:21:39.000 You can shoot something further.

00:21:41.000 It's easier to do.

00:21:42.000 You hunt, you hunt with rifles.

00:21:44.000 But to make that choice, this decision that there's something more connected, more spiritual about archery and bow hunting, if it wasn't for those people that were promoting it, people like Fred Bear, who was so articulate in the way he would describe things and the way he would describe The benefits of just archery practice, about how archery just removes your cares.

00:22:09.000 If you could just concentrate on that target and just practice archery, it cleans your mind.

00:22:15.000 And I find that today.

00:22:16.000 I do too.

00:22:17.000 It's almost like...

00:22:19.000 You go back in time, even though we pick up these new Hoyt bows, you're like, oh my God, look at the technology.

00:22:25.000 It's a lot more accurate.

00:22:26.000 It is.

00:22:26.000 It's so much more accurate.

00:22:28.000 And so, yeah, it's amazing.

00:22:30.000 And you're just exactly right.

00:22:32.000 It is spiritual.

00:22:32.000 And to think back of where it was to where it is, but then you think about the rifles and the technology we have there.

00:22:38.000 But keep in mind, I'm sure, you know, in those people who are really hunting for substance, Absolutely.

00:22:45.000 If we leave tomorrow and we can't go and get us a nice steak dinner, or we can't go to the grocery store and buy us some chicken or ribeye, whatever it is we decide to eat, well, absolutely.

00:22:55.000 If we're like, hey, Joe, your wife and my wife is wanting us to kill a few squirrels, and we're going to have squirrels and gravy, and my wife makes some good biscuits, it's like...

00:23:03.000 Why don't, you know, let's leave the Hoyts at home. 0.99

00:23:05.000 Let's take a.22 and a.410.

00:23:07.000 Let's just go get us a mess of squirrel. 1.00

00:23:08.000 And so I think probably they looked at it that way.

00:23:10.000 And once that came about, and then it slowly becomes somewhat of a, I hate to even say it as a sport, because I don't look at it as a sport.

00:23:18.000 It's a culture.

00:23:19.000 I think it's a discipline.

00:23:20.000 It's a discipline, but I think to know that we're still going back and celebrating that and still talking about issue and Pope and Young and the Fred Bears and what they set forth and even people like Chuck Adams, who was always one of my heroes.

00:23:34.000 Cam and I were talking a lot about that in Texas, just...

00:23:37.000 Golly, Chuck Adams was hunting these elk and always had that little green beanie, shot those XX78 Arras, and man, you wasn't nobody.

00:23:44.000 It was like, you know, all the kids and even me, you know, I was this little chubby white kid that thought if I bought Arras Jordans, I could jump higher, and Michael lied to me, man.

00:23:54.000 You're a liar, Jordan!

00:23:55.000 I can't jump any faster.

00:23:57.000 I can't run any faster.

00:23:58.000 But, you know, Chuck, when I saw those arrows and I'd see that bow, I'm like, man, I gotta have that.

00:24:04.000 I want to be like Chuck.

00:24:05.000 You know, I want to be like Fred Bear.

00:24:06.000 And so it's just amazing to see and to see that we still are celebrating it.

00:24:11.000 Yeah, well, it has a very deep connection to the human mind.

00:24:16.000 There's something about archery that I think it's because as human beings evolved, you know, we developed the bow and arrow, they invented it, they refined it, and that was how people hunted and got their food.

00:24:28.000 I think there's a genetic memory of that that's inside of our heads.

00:24:31.000 Because there's something eerily satisfying about hitting a target with an arrow.

00:24:37.000 It's so much different than anything.

00:24:39.000 I like practicing shooting rifles.

00:24:42.000 I've hunted with rifles.

00:24:43.000 I like it.

00:24:44.000 I like it.

00:24:45.000 It's great.

00:24:45.000 Same here.

00:24:46.000 It's not the same.

00:24:49.000 It's like a tenfold different.

00:24:51.000 Yeah, it really is amazing.

00:24:55.000 It's like every time...

00:24:57.000 If I go rifle hunting, I love it.

00:24:59.000 I mean, I absolutely love it.

00:25:01.000 Still love the whole culture of it.

00:25:02.000 I grew up in Georgia where...

00:25:04.000 I mean, people were on these leases.

00:25:06.000 You know, it'd be a Meade property, which was Timberland or Georgia Power Lease.

00:25:11.000 There'd be 10 of us on 500 acres or sometimes more than that.

00:25:15.000 And so, you know, everybody took a.30-06 Remington semi-automatic, you know, scope on it with over and under sites.

00:25:21.000 And we'd meet up at Uncle Morgan's barn, me and my dad.

00:25:26.000 Scott Steiner, my Uncle Tommy, and Uncle Jeff.

00:25:29.000 Where are you going?

00:25:30.000 Hell, I think I'm going to go to the boat seat.

00:25:32.000 I'm going to Holler 1. Nobody talked about wind or nothing.

00:25:34.000 It was just a bunch of old guys high-fiving.

00:25:37.000 We would walk back there and hunt with a rifle.

00:25:39.000 As soon as you heard a rifle shot, you're like, that was Uncle Tommy.

00:25:43.000 I bet you he's got a big one.

00:25:45.000 It was just so amazing, that part of it.

00:25:47.000 I still go back and do that.

00:25:49.000 From a culture standpoint to feel just that feeling and vibe of being standing there in a pair of Kmart boots with some old walls coveralls draped over with them old white long handles, you know, that we thought we could go to Antarctica in.

00:26:03.000 In reality, it was just some cotton.

00:26:04.000 As soon as it got wet, she froze to death.

00:26:06.000 And just the thought of that, of being literally, in my time, 11, 12 years old, just being one of the men with a.30-06 on my shoulder, climbing up in a pine tree in a tree stand built out of leftover lumber from my dad's construction job.

00:26:19.000 That was the most unsafe thing in the world.

00:26:22.000 A lot of people got hurt falling out of those things.

00:26:24.000 And I remember we got our first bow, my dad and I. My dad had an old browning bow and he had a couple old recurs when I was young and he pecked around with them and then I remember I was 13 and I was working with him on a job site and That's my summer job.

00:26:39.000 My dad was a carpenter, and so I'd go work, and man, he worked the cornbread hell out of me too, you know, just to show me how to be accountable and just what it was like to work, and he paid me $2 an hour.

00:26:48.000 So he said, you need to pick out something as a goal, figure out what you need to save your money for.

00:26:51.000 You don't need to blow it on something stupid.

00:26:53.000 And I said, well, I don't know.

00:26:55.000 And at the time, some of my buddies, we were saving up wanting skateboards.

00:27:00.000 Well, at the time, we lived on a dirt road, so I'm like, what am I going to do with a skateboard?

00:27:04.000 You know, I... I was like, I got to go into the city to use a skateboard.

00:27:09.000 So my buddy, Jackson Bishop, we called him Boo.

00:27:12.000 He lives in the city and we hunted together.

00:27:14.000 He said, I'm behind me.

00:27:15.000 He was working with my dad and I too.

00:27:17.000 And he ended up saving his money and bought him a really cool skateboard.

00:27:21.000 I remember he built it and went and had posters of it.

00:27:23.000 Well, I ended up deciding that I need to get me a bow and arrow.

00:27:26.000 So I went and bought me a Martin Pro Eliminator.

00:27:30.000 Bow from Big Buck Trading Post paid $200 for that sucker.

00:27:33.000 Was that a compound bow?

00:27:34.000 It was a compound bow.

00:27:35.000 What year did compound bows get invented?

00:27:37.000 It would have had to been, I would say, in the 70s.

00:27:40.000 I mean, the first I remember was talking about Fred Bear, the old whitetail hunter.

00:27:45.000 And then you had the whitetail hunter, too, and stuff like that.

00:27:47.000 And then I know Browning came on pretty soon in that.

00:27:52.000 And then obviously you had Hoyt that was in there.

00:27:54.000 Did they even have sights back then?

00:27:55.000 We had like a pin sight.

00:27:57.000 It was like a bracket and it had this kind of rudimentary sight that you could scroll in and out.

00:28:01.000 But there's no range finders, right?

00:28:02.000 There were no range finders.

00:28:03.000 Is that it right there?

00:28:04.000 Look at that.

00:28:05.000 The original compound.

00:28:06.000 Look at that.

00:28:07.000 Up to 50% more speed and penetration.

00:28:10.000 And that was 66. So I felt like this would have been in the 80s because I... 66. Because I feel like...

00:28:20.000 Wow, that's wild.

00:28:21.000 Price so low, hunters can't afford to be without one.

00:28:24.000 The way they used to market things back then is so funny.

00:28:27.000 I know.

00:28:27.000 I love to see those old Field and Stream and Outdoor Life magazines.

00:28:30.000 Yeah.

00:28:31.000 I mean, it's a window into a different time.

00:28:33.000 Look at that.

00:28:34.000 Can you imagine taking that to Utah to chase an elk in the mountains?

00:28:38.000 Oh my God, you'd have to be so close.

00:28:40.000 Cameron wouldn't even have to tote out a buck on his shoulders.

00:28:43.000 He could just tote that around, probably be as heavy as a whitetail.

00:28:45.000 How heavy is that thing?

00:28:46.000 Look at it, all the metal.

00:28:47.000 There's no telling.

00:28:48.000 All the components and all cables.

00:28:50.000 What kind of feet per second are you getting out of that sucker?

00:28:52.000 What is this?

00:28:53.000 Oh, look at this.

00:28:55.000 1926. Arthur Young, bow hunting.

00:28:58.000 It's a grizzly here.

00:28:59.000 They said it's a grizzly.

00:28:59.000 Oh, wow.

00:29:00.000 Look at him.

00:29:01.000 Super close.

00:29:03.000 Holy cow! 0.96

00:29:04.000 I've never seen this, Jamie.

00:29:05.000 Thanks for pulling this up.

00:29:06.000 This is so cool.

00:29:07.000 1926. Holy smokes.

00:29:12.000 I bet they didn't even have to buy a license.

00:29:14.000 I bet they just went hunting, too.

00:29:15.000 Oh, yeah.

00:29:16.000 I bet there was no licenses back then.

00:29:18.000 I mean, when did they...

00:29:19.000 All right, he hit him somewhere.

00:29:23.000 Yeah, it follows it up here.

00:29:25.000 But, I mean, to film this is even crazy because this is 1926. Right.

00:29:29.000 Wow.

00:29:33.000 You had to be so close with that shitty Bo.

00:29:36.000 No doubt.

00:29:37.000 And man, I tell you what, man, intriguing.

00:29:41.000 Those guys right there, their books that they wrote, if you wrote those same books now, like if you and I went on a hunt and we said, hey, let's just write an article and present it to Outdoor Life and publish it just as we saw it, which is so cool about what we do here is having a chance of conversation and kind of air out anything and everything.

00:30:02.000 And obviously, culture has changed the world.

00:30:04.000 But back then, you know, you had articles.

00:30:04.000 I mean, these podcasts.

00:30:06.000 Well, they'd write these books.

00:30:07.000 And it would be so, like, I would read it sometimes, the same page, two or three times.

00:30:12.000 It'd be like, you know, Saxon Pope talking about Arthur Young talking.

00:30:15.000 Yes, I found out.

00:30:16.000 I think it's too far.

00:30:17.000 70 yards is too far to shoot at a Cape Buffalo. 0.99

00:30:20.000 I put three arrows in him.

00:30:21.000 He didn't seem hurt.

00:30:23.000 I got two in the rump, one in the neck. 0.95

00:30:25.000 And you're like...

00:30:27.000 They didn't edit this out.

00:30:29.000 It's almost like me and you hunting squirrels.

00:30:33.000 Like, man, I'll tell you what, I don't like them pellets.

00:30:36.000 Those pellets and that air rifle are just not knocking the squirrels down good enough.

00:30:40.000 Like, oh, you wasn't supposed to put that.

00:30:41.000 Can you edit that out?

00:30:43.000 They were just like, okay, let's put this in a book and let's sell it.

00:30:46.000 Well, they're pioneers.

00:30:47.000 They were learning.

00:30:48.000 They were learning how to do it.

00:30:49.000 But you imagine how...

00:30:50.000 You get crucified sometimes for the people who don't understand hunting, even ethically hunting and making a good ethical shot, whether it's a bow or an arrow or a rifle.

00:31:00.000 And back then they were like, all right, let's go try to hunt some African lions.

00:31:04.000 I don't know what it's going to take to kill them, but we'll see.

00:31:07.000 They were just experimenting.

00:31:09.000 Experimenting.

00:31:10.000 And they took a boat over.

00:31:11.000 Think about...

00:31:13.000 I mean, I want to go to...

00:31:14.000 I've been to Africa quite a few times.

00:31:16.000 How long does it take to get to Africa in a boat?

00:31:18.000 It was taking them months to get over there.

00:31:20.000 And they would take a whole ship, and I think they...

00:31:23.000 I forget.

00:31:23.000 I don't want to say it because it could be inaccurate historically, but I want to say they was taking 40, 50 bows, these recurves, and like...

00:31:32.000 Just tubs and tubs of arrows.

00:31:35.000 I mean, just...

00:31:36.000 Because they were just launching them.

00:31:39.000 It's like they had more freaking arrows than P. Diddy had baby oil. 1.00

00:31:44.000 I mean, it's like, man, how many arrows can you fit on this boat?

00:31:49.000 Like, well, shit, load it up.

00:31:51.000 Well, they probably knew they weren't going to get any over there.

00:31:53.000 And they're probably making them themselves.

00:31:55.000 Yeah, and I think it documents it.

00:31:56.000 It talks about, like, look, if our bows tear up, or in this experimental process, we might need a little stronger bow.

00:32:02.000 So, you know, I mean, sometimes, very rarely do I even do this.

00:32:06.000 I'll go to pretty desolate places.

00:32:07.000 I'll take one bow.

00:32:09.000 Very rarely I take two bows.

00:32:10.000 I used to think it'd be beneficial, but then I started realizing, man, these things are so dependable.

00:32:14.000 I don't need it.

00:32:15.000 Maybe I take a bow press or an extra string or setup, but, I mean, they just had to take everything.

00:32:22.000 And they really didn't know.

00:32:23.000 That's such a commitment to adventure.

00:32:25.000 Get on a boat with a bunch of bows and a tub of arrows.

00:32:29.000 I mean, how do you tell your wife that, too?

00:32:31.000 Because they were married.

00:32:32.000 Can you imagine?

00:32:33.000 I can't imagine now that, you know, Joe and I plan a hunt trip here and you go home and say, hey, man, just me and Waddell was talking and me, him and Cam were thinking about running to hunt hogs.

00:32:42.000 Well, how long are you going to be gone?

00:32:44.000 You know, it's Christmas time.

00:32:44.000 It's like, well, two days.

00:32:47.000 We're just going to drive down or fly over here and do that.

00:32:50.000 Can you imagine, hey baby, I think I'm going to Africa and we're going to try to hunt some lion.

00:32:54.000 We don't know what's going to happen.

00:32:55.000 We'll be back in about six, seven months.

00:32:56.000 Yeah, I'll be back next year.

00:32:59.000 I'm going to go hunt lions with a pointy stick.

00:33:01.000 Exactly.

00:33:02.000 I should be back.

00:33:03.000 I'm not sure what it takes to kill one.

00:33:05.000 No internet.

00:33:07.000 I mean, nothing.

00:33:08.000 You couldn't research.

00:33:10.000 How are you learning form and technique?

00:33:12.000 You just have to practice and then eventually figure out, well, I held my elbow this way.

00:33:19.000 It seemed to be better than this way.

00:33:21.000 I'll just tweak it.

00:33:24.000 And even the civil unrest.

00:33:25.000 Imagine this.

00:33:26.000 I mean, I hear people talk about hunting and the dangers of hunting.

00:33:33.000 I grew up real country, so I never had any fear of any animals.

00:33:37.000 As a matter of fact, if I was bear hunting and somebody said, hey man, bears love pork chops.

00:33:41.000 If you walk through Alaska with a pork chop around your neck, you might get a better chance to get a shot.

00:33:44.000 I'd be like, well...

00:33:45.000 Well, hell, you reckon they'll come?

00:33:47.000 Let's try it.

00:33:48.000 I want a shot at one.

00:33:50.000 But think of the civil unrest.

00:33:51.000 I've always been a few...

00:33:53.000 I went to Zimbabwe one time, me and Nick Munt and several of my buddies.

00:33:58.000 We went over there to Zimbabwe, and it just happened to be when Mugabe was rerunning.

00:34:02.000 And so he had a political opponent.

00:34:04.000 And so just when we think people listen to this, that, you know, politics in America are crazy.

00:34:09.000 Well, guess what?

00:34:10.000 Somebody was running against Mugabe.

00:34:11.000 So did they debate it on a podcast or even talk about it on CNN?

00:34:15.000 No, Mugabe just went and killed the guy he was running against.

00:34:17.000 Like, OK, I win, you know, so end of story.

00:34:19.000 And so the Internet was shut down.

00:34:21.000 And so I remember being over there and like, man, I'm kind of scared, not of an elephant or a lion.

00:34:27.000 I'm like, what is this?

00:34:30.000 I don't have a phone.

00:34:31.000 I have no way to talk to my family.

00:34:31.000 I don't have internet.

00:34:33.000 I don't have any...

00:34:35.000 And my money got stolen.

00:34:36.000 I was the idiot who went over there with my backpack, with cash, and a bank envelope.

00:34:43.000 Everything that you read.

00:34:45.000 Like, okay, I'm an idiot.

00:34:47.000 So I go to take some money to...

00:34:51.000 We were talking about going fishing on the Zambezi River.

00:34:55.000 And...

00:34:56.000 So anyway, I was like, I'm going to get a little money.

00:34:57.000 I'm going to tip this guy if I go fishing.

00:34:59.000 I'm like, dude, where's my money?

00:35:01.000 And it was all gone.

00:35:03.000 So I don't know if it was between where I landed in South Africa, somewhere in my room.

00:35:06.000 I don't know where, but all of my money.

00:35:09.000 And I think I had about $7,000 cash, which for me, that was a lot of money.

00:35:17.000 Like, I mean, I was...

00:35:18.000 I'm devastated.

00:35:19.000 Not only did I lose the money.

00:35:21.000 I didn't have money to lose like that.

00:35:24.000 But now I'm like, what am I going to do?

00:35:26.000 And so they take me over to Botswana and I get some Pulas from an ATM because it's a little more westernized.

00:35:32.000 But I remember calling home and it's like, man, we ain't in Kansas no more.

00:35:36.000 This ain't a whitetail hunt.

00:35:38.000 And in my mind, I'm so singled in.

00:35:41.000 On the adventure and thinking of Saxton, you know, Pope and Young and all these guys.

00:35:46.000 And I forget, like, wait a minute, there's people dying and starving over here.

00:35:50.000 And I'm just over here trying to maybe find a Cape Buffalo or a Gimsbuck or something. 1.00

00:35:55.000 And that's where I learn a lot in my young travel of just what's out there in the world.

00:36:00.000 Do you ever watch Pedro Ampuro's videos?

00:36:03.000 No, no.

00:36:05.000 Jamie, I'll send it to you.

00:36:06.000 He's a fascinating dude from Spain, and he travels everywhere to bow hunt.

00:36:12.000 Everywhere.

00:36:13.000 Oh, I can already tell I'd love that.

00:36:15.000 Oh, you'd love it.

00:36:15.000 He's great, too.

00:36:17.000 His hunting adventures are really interesting, but he goes all over the place.

00:36:23.000 I love that.

00:36:23.000 He goes to, like, Tajikistan.

00:36:27.000 Holy cow. 0.89

00:36:27.000 There he is. 0.89

00:36:29.000 I mean, you can tell.

00:36:29.000 Look at that.

00:36:31.000 I mean, just...

00:36:32.000 He's a super, super, super dedicated bow hunter.

00:36:36.000 And travels to Greenland.

00:36:39.000 He was in Greenland with Remy.

00:36:40.000 They were hunting together.

00:36:42.000 And just his stuff, Pedro's videos are really, really well done.

00:36:48.000 And he's such a likable guy that it's a good introduction to people that don't even understand why anybody would be interested in bow hunting.

00:36:55.000 Because you realize, like, this guy is...

00:37:00.000 Wow.

00:37:01.000 than as he is even the hunting aspect of it.

00:37:05.000 He really enjoys being in these very different cultures and very different parts of the world.

00:37:11.000 He hunted elk in Mongolia.

00:37:13.000 Wow.

00:37:14.000 Mongolia has a large elk population, believe it.

00:37:16.000 I didn't know that.

00:37:17.000 But it's really funny because everybody who goes there to hunt, hunts with a rifle.

00:37:21.000 And so all the guides who speak Mongolian, they're like, what the fuck is this guy doing with his bow?

00:37:27.000 This is stupid.

00:37:28.000 What are you doing, Pedro?

00:37:30.000 He's like, I can't shoot it.

00:37:31.000 It's 98 yards away.

00:37:33.000 We have to get closer.

00:37:34.000 It's like, just shoot it!

00:37:35.000 Yeah.

00:37:35.000 Just shoot it.

00:37:36.000 Shoot it.

00:37:36.000 Kill it.

00:37:36.000 Let's get out of here.

00:37:37.000 We've been here for fucking three days. 0.68

00:37:39.000 They're tired of it.

00:37:40.000 But this dude's got a really fucking great channel and a ton of videos.

00:37:46.000 I mean, he's been doing this for like, making these videos for like 10, 15 years.

00:37:50.000 I'm definitely going to subscribe to that.

00:37:52.000 I don't even see the buffalo.

00:37:53.000 Where's the buffalo?

00:37:55.000 Oh, it's a mouflon.

00:37:57.000 Oh, that's a mouflon.

00:37:58.000 Oh, you went to a different video.

00:38:00.000 Oh, okay.

00:38:00.000 Go to the Mongolia Elkhunt, because it's so fascinating.

00:38:05.000 They stayed in a yurt, so they stayed in one of those felt tents like Genghis Khan used to live in, and they traveled in the woods, and it looks like you're in Wyoming.

00:38:15.000 It looks like you're in Idaho.

00:38:17.000 Them yurks, I always wonder if that's what Missy Elliott was rapping about. 1.00

00:38:20.000 You know, yurt paramonition right on here.

00:38:25.000 I used to think that's what it said.

00:38:27.000 Yeah.

00:38:29.000 But if you scroll further ahead, you can see some of the footage.

00:38:32.000 Oh, this is Ibex in Mongolia.

00:38:35.000 Dude, that'd be a tough hunt, too, man.

00:38:37.000 Google, it's not that.

00:38:39.000 Search elk in Mongolia.

00:38:43.000 He's got, I mean, he's got tons and tons.

00:38:45.000 There it is right there.

00:38:46.000 See, world record Elks right there.

00:38:48.000 Second row, that one, bam. 0.98

00:38:51.000 Yeah, that's in Mongolia.

00:38:53.000 See, that's, to me, so fascinating.

00:38:55.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:38:56.000 Like, look at that.

00:38:57.000 That looks like you could be in Utah.

00:38:58.000 Absolutely.

00:38:59.000 And they just totally didn't understand why he was using a bow.

00:39:03.000 Because his dad was there.

00:39:04.000 His dad hunted with a rifle.

00:39:06.000 And he was successful.

00:39:07.000 And, you know, he's going to get close.

00:39:09.000 Those look like just your basic Rocky Mountain species.

00:39:13.000 I don't even know how they got there.

00:39:14.000 I don't know if they were always there.

00:39:16.000 I don't know if they were introduced.

00:39:17.000 I really don't know.

00:39:18.000 And that's what they're staying in.

00:39:20.000 Really interesting.

00:39:21.000 I did not even know that there were elk in Mongolia.

00:39:24.000 Yeah, I didn't either until I saw this video.

00:39:26.000 Nor would I have even known you could hunt there, and I think that's what people don't realize living in America.

00:39:30.000 Yeah.

00:39:30.000 We can hunt.

00:39:31.000 I mean, go do that in China.

00:39:33.000 Get hungry in China and decide you want to go get you a mess of rabbit and squirrel. 1.00

00:39:36.000 Well, there might not be none, and you can't legally hunt.

00:39:40.000 You can't legally hunt in China?

00:39:41.000 Not in China.

00:39:42.000 Not at all.

00:39:42.000 There's several states.

00:39:43.000 You can't even bow hunt in the UK. Yeah.

00:39:46.000 I know.

00:39:46.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:39:47.000 I mean, I don't know if that goes back to robbing Longstrat.

00:39:50.000 I think some of it does, a lot of the folklore, because that was a poaching tool.

00:39:54.000 He hunted the king's property.

00:39:55.000 You could poach with a bow and arrow.

00:39:57.000 Well, that's what people don't understand.

00:39:58.000 The Robin Hood was not about stealing money.

00:40:00.000 It was about using the king's land to hunt animals.

00:40:04.000 Correct.

00:40:04.000 Because people were starving, and the king had all these animals, and you weren't allowed to hunt them.

00:40:07.000 You couldn't.

00:40:08.000 So Robin Hood was like, this is bullshit.

00:40:09.000 Yeah, I'll take this bow and arrow.

00:40:11.000 Let's go get some deer.

00:40:11.000 Let's go eat.

00:40:12.000 There's stag out here, man.

00:40:13.000 Yeah.

00:40:15.000 Yeah, I'm always, the more I travel, like, seeing this that Pedro's done, I hadn't done that extensive of traveling, and I've never, if it ends with a stand, I just stay out of it.

00:40:26.000 Yeah, and these extra Z's in the long word.

00:40:29.000 Yeah, man, that's like, I try to be good.

00:40:31.000 Yeah, but Pedro goes everywhere.

00:40:32.000 I can't recommend his show enough.

00:40:34.000 It's so good.

00:40:35.000 I watch him all the time.

00:40:36.000 I'm going to check that out.

00:40:37.000 Late night when I want to chill, when I'm at home, I come home from the comedy club, I'll throw on some of his videos.

00:40:41.000 Check out Pedro.

00:40:42.000 Chill out.

00:40:42.000 Have you ever heard of this?

00:40:44.000 What is that?

00:40:44.000 I was looking at the initial books coming out of Hunting Trips to Africa.

00:40:50.000 Dingo Neck?

00:40:51.000 Multiple people said they saw this.

00:40:52.000 One guy said he even shot one.

00:40:54.000 In Africa they saw it? 0.93

00:40:55.000 Yeah.

00:40:55.000 How long ago was this?

00:40:56.000 Back in 1907, I think.

00:40:57.000 What the fuck?

00:40:59.000 Do they have a photo of it?

00:41:00.000 It obviously might even be a real thing, but the descriptions of it were backed up by multiple people.

00:41:06.000 Huh.

00:41:07.000 A carnivore that chose to hunt or devour nearly whatever it wants, save for elephants.

00:41:13.000 Holy cow. 0.89

00:41:14.000 It had tusks?

00:41:15.000 Dog-headed beast fish.

00:41:17.000 What?

00:41:18.000 I don't even think Jim Shockey's hunted one of them.

00:41:20.000 Where did you find this, Jamie?

00:41:21.000 Literally.

00:41:22.000 I'm looking at all these history books about different expeditions, and this was one from 1908. They went to look for some certain things.

00:41:30.000 They encountered this in Lake Victoria.

00:41:32.000 Huh.

00:41:33.000 I mean, it's probably not real.

00:41:35.000 Look at this, but it seems like it is.

00:41:37.000 I want to believe.

00:41:38.000 He encountered by Lake Victoria when asked, Bronson's own hunting party provided nearly identical descriptions of the creature.

00:41:44.000 The title is referenced to the author having been given special permission to hunt the closed territory of Loida, Maasai, Kisi, and Sotik.

00:41:54.000 Wow.

00:41:55.000 What the hell was that?

00:41:56.000 Just looking it up.

00:41:57.000 Very strange.

00:41:57.000 It looks different in a bunch of the drawings, though.

00:42:00.000 Sure.

00:42:00.000 I mean, they don't have a picture, I guess.

00:42:02.000 But remember when we were showing those ancient pictures of what a whale looked like to people?

00:42:07.000 They'd never seen a whale before, and it had wings and a lion's head.

00:42:11.000 That's what's fascinating on all those paintings and engravings.

00:42:18.000 Some of it you can see, like, okay, we still have some of those animals that look that way, and then some kind of looks kind of mystical.

00:42:23.000 Have you ever seen the ones that are cave paintings where it's like a stegosaurus?

00:42:27.000 Yeah.

00:42:27.000 How did you know what that looked like?

00:42:31.000 Exactly.

00:42:31.000 They didn't Google it.

00:42:33.000 Were there a few laying around?

00:42:35.000 I mean, I wonder.

00:42:37.000 I'm so intrigued by that.

00:42:39.000 I think I'm more intrigued with it Hunting and traveling and being in these places.

00:42:44.000 Like, we went down...

00:42:46.000 I love the turkey hunt.

00:42:48.000 I love the turkey hunt.

00:42:49.000 Matter of fact, I'm going to do everything in my power, and anybody that listens to this ever, even ever knew my name, knows everybody's like...

00:42:57.000 Dude, you've got to get Cam and Rogan to go turkey hunting.

00:42:59.000 I went turkey hunting once.

00:43:00.000 Did you really?

00:43:01.000 I went with Rinella.

00:43:01.000 Did you really?

00:43:02.000 Rinella, dude. 0.99

00:43:03.000 It was fun.

00:43:04.000 Yeah, he's fun.

00:43:05.000 I love turkey hunting.

00:43:06.000 I just love it.

00:43:06.000 And that's how I kind of broke into the industry, I guess.

00:43:08.000 It's definitely a superior turkey to eat.

00:43:11.000 They are.

00:43:12.000 They're delicious.

00:43:12.000 They are delicious to eat.

00:43:14.000 But anyway, with that said, we were down right out of the Yucatan Peninsula hunting oscillated turkeys, which is a different species.

00:43:21.000 You can hunt all these turkeys and get different slams.

00:43:24.000 Yeah, I think Rinella's got the slam. 1.00

00:43:25.000 Yeah, Rinella's done it, and so I went down there with actually Troy Link of Jack Link's Jerky, and he's a big hunter, so we all went down there, kind of for the adventure, and to say, yeah, we hunted the jungles.

00:43:36.000 And dude, amazing, you know, you got all that Mayan civilization and all this stuff that I saw, even Graham Hancock, but what people don't realize, we're out in the middle of this jungle, and I'm walking around, and the guy I'm with, he don't know English, and I'm like, and Cohen Stone, our producer, he's standing there, and I was like, dude, this is a...

00:43:54.000 This is one of those pyramids.

00:43:56.000 Like, we're walking up and I'm trying to figure out if I can hen call because nobody had ever figured out if you can hen call to these oscillated turkeys.

00:44:03.000 I get to looking around and so finally I'm tapping this guide on the shoulder and I'm like, bro, you know, Mayan?

00:44:09.000 He says, oh, see, see.

00:44:11.000 And I'm like, there's so many of those structures out there.

00:44:13.000 Yeah.

00:44:14.000 And we're out there hunting turkeys.

00:44:15.000 They don't think nothing about it.

00:44:16.000 It's kind of like us walking around out in the middle of the woods in Georgia and finding an old whale.

00:44:20.000 You know, we're intrigued.

00:44:21.000 Right.

00:44:21.000 They're like, oh yeah, they're everywhere.

00:44:24.000 So I only knew about the ones that was on the postcards.

00:44:27.000 When you're out there having a corona on the beach and somebody trying to sell your engraving to your wife in some ring or something, I'm like, oh my god, dude.

00:44:36.000 And I wanted so bad for a turkey to respond and to put my back against that.

00:44:41.000 And so I did a little video and I was like, man, this is insane.

00:44:44.000 But when would I have had a chance to see that had I not been a hunter?

00:44:47.000 So that gets you down the rabbit hole of like, well, what was this?

00:44:51.000 And what is that calendar?

00:44:52.000 And I wonder what Graham Hancock is.

00:44:54.000 So when I'm seeing some of this, I'm like, dude, I was in that area.

00:44:57.000 I didn't go to see that particular piece where he's talking to this authority.

00:45:02.000 But I did go, you know, 30 miles south of there or 100 miles.

00:45:06.000 And I had a chance to work a turkey around one that's not even been excavated.

00:45:11.000 And it just blew my mind.

00:45:13.000 They find so many of those too.

00:45:15.000 The jungle just overrun all that civilization.

00:45:18.000 Just overcame it.

00:45:21.000 You know what LIDAR is?

00:45:24.000 Yes, I didn't know about it until I watched that on the Netflix show with Graham.

00:45:29.000 It's crazy.

00:45:30.000 Showing how they're flying over in those rings.

00:45:32.000 See if you can find that pyramid that they just unearthed in Guatemala.

00:45:36.000 They just unearthed some huge pyramid in Guatemala.

00:45:38.000 And that's, we were south.

00:45:40.000 I think it was Guatemala.

00:45:41.000 We were right there and kind of right on the southern tip of Mexico just as you go into Guatemala.

00:45:47.000 And I was just intrigued.

00:45:48.000 And we're in the jungle and stay in these little huts and I remember these little tents, like almost a screen porch.

00:45:55.000 I was blown away.

00:45:56.000 And the whole time, I'm like, thank you, Lord, for allowing me to be the hunter to go see this, to experience this.

00:46:02.000 Right.

00:46:03.000 It's just...

00:46:03.000 And to...

00:46:03.000 I don't know.

00:46:04.000 I'm overwhelmed.

00:46:05.000 I've never got bored with it.

00:46:07.000 And the more I do it, the more humbling it becomes.

00:46:09.000 As soon as you start thinking like, man...

00:46:12.000 I got a bunch of elk with my bow and arrow.

00:46:14.000 I got this figured out.

00:46:15.000 I'm about to run a rake through them.

00:46:16.000 I know where they're going to be.

00:46:17.000 And then you go out there and they just kick your butt.

00:46:19.000 Yeah, there's no real figuring it out.

00:46:22.000 I mean, certainly you get to your level or a level of Cam Haynes or Remy Warren.

00:46:27.000 You become very proficient.

00:46:30.000 You understand what to do.

00:46:31.000 Here it is.

00:46:32.000 Find lost city in Mexico jungle by accident.

00:46:35.000 Holy cow. 0.89

00:46:36.000 Yeah, this is what it was.

00:46:37.000 It wasn't Guatemala.

00:46:38.000 So archaeologists found pyramids, sports fields, causeways, and connecting districts, amphitheaters in the southern central state of Campeche?

00:46:47.000 Campeche, yeah.

00:46:48.000 Campeche.

00:46:48.000 They uncovered the hidden complex, which they have called Valer...

00:46:55.000 Valeriana.

00:46:55.000 Valeriana?

00:46:56.000 Using LIDAR, a type of laser survey that map structures buried under vegetation.

00:47:01.000 They believed it is second in density only to Calakmul, thought to be the largest Maya site in ancient Latin America.

00:47:10.000 The team discovered three sites in total in a survey the size of Scotland's capital, Edinburgh, by accident when one of the archaeologists browsed data on the internet.

00:47:19.000 That's so crazy.

00:47:21.000 They found it by accident.

00:47:23.000 See, that's amazing.

00:47:24.000 And I got the same vibe when I was down there because we weren't too far out of Campeche when we was turkey hunting.

00:47:30.000 And so as we're going through there, and there's thousands and thousands and thousands of acres.

00:47:35.000 I'm not even sure I set up.

00:47:36.000 I don't know if it's, you know, governmently owned, in this case, Mexico.

00:47:40.000 Or if it's village.

00:47:42.000 But when I saw that, even though we videoed it, I asked, later I come back and the main outfitter, he's very fluid in English.

00:47:49.000 He said, yeah, we don't, you know, there's all kinds of stuff out there.

00:47:51.000 We don't talk about it a lot because this is our hunting ground.

00:47:54.000 It's almost like the Buffalo Drop story.

00:47:57.000 Right, they don't want people, archaeologists getting in there.

00:47:58.000 They really don't want Grand Hancock down there with a team of filmmakers from California.

00:48:03.000 Like, they don't want it.

00:48:04.000 I see their point, but I don't.

00:48:07.000 Absolutely.

00:48:07.000 And they kind of...

00:48:10.000 But I think that's what's fascinating about all that we're able to talk about and share now culturally.

00:48:15.000 Yeah.

00:48:15.000 As we realize, if you grow up hunting and fishing, well, I really assume everybody did.

00:48:21.000 Right.

00:48:21.000 I didn't think there was somebody that hadn't eat squirrel.

00:48:24.000 Right.

00:48:25.000 I did a walk.

00:48:26.000 I didn't eat squirrel until I was 45 years old.

00:48:27.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:48:28.000 And I grew up to where, like, laying and eating with my pawpaw, like, one day.

00:48:33.000 Damn it, I'm going to buy me some ribeyes. 0.83

00:48:35.000 You know, it's like you eat enough squirrel and rabbit, and it's great, but it's almost like, man, I'm going to get that big family pack of chicken.

00:48:42.000 Right.

00:48:43.000 And we ate plenty of that, but it was always a fallback to where you understood the good Lord's renewable resources and how to hunt them.

00:48:50.000 So taking an animal for table fare wasn't anything at all to even cheer about other than You know, almost in the blessing of blessing your food, like, thank you, Lord, for giving us this opportunity to have a place to hunt.

00:49:04.000 So it would be a chance to go put a fish basket out.

00:49:07.000 I remember my papa taught me so many things.

00:49:09.000 He made corn liquor and just country as a damn chicken coop.

00:49:13.000 Oh, wow.

00:49:14.000 And I look back, he passed away when I was 12. Both of my granddads did.

00:49:17.000 And my dad, Edwin Waddell, same way.

00:49:20.000 I mean, they taught me so much.

00:49:21.000 But I just assumed this is what every man was.

00:49:24.000 And I figured this is what everybody knew.

00:49:26.000 Because that's how you grew up.

00:49:27.000 Yeah.

00:49:27.000 And I remember I started working in the hunting industry when I was young.

00:49:31.000 I remember, I tell this story, I just remember going to a nice restaurant and people ordering appetizers.

00:49:38.000 I'm like, what?

00:49:39.000 What are we doing?

00:49:41.000 What are we doing?

00:49:43.000 What does that mean?

00:49:43.000 He was like, bring us some ceviche and some calamari.

00:49:49.000 You guys like cheese sticks?

00:49:51.000 Look, I know they're unhealthy.

00:49:52.000 Anybody like cheese sticks?

00:49:53.000 I like cheese sticks.

00:49:56.000 And then all of a sudden, we're sitting there chatting like we are, and everybody's having a cocktail.

00:50:00.000 I'm like, man, I'm so happy.

00:50:02.000 This is the funnest.

00:50:03.000 I'm loving this.

00:50:05.000 And I'm literally going back and at the end of the night calling my dad like, you ain't gonna believe it, everybody's eating before you eat.

00:50:15.000 We're getting shrimp cocktail, and I'm over there.

00:50:19.000 And it sounds crazy and almost like it's exaggerated, but I was so overwhelmed.

00:50:24.000 I was so intrigued with the city and just people.

00:50:27.000 I would be the guy talking to everybody, you know, from the street people to like, what's up, dog?

00:50:33.000 You know, they're like, man, what's it like out here?

00:50:36.000 You know, like, man, you ever...

00:50:37.000 You ever ate a pigeon?

00:50:38.000 Man, there's a lot of these pigeons.

00:50:40.000 Go get you a couple ketchup packets from McDonald's and get you a rock.

00:50:44.000 It was almost like the exact opposite from some of now my city friends who have gotten just enthralled with hunting.

00:50:52.000 They introduced me to so much of the city culture that...

00:50:56.000 I still get excited.

00:50:57.000 Everybody don't think I would, but I still love to get excited to go.

00:51:01.000 I had a chance.

00:51:02.000 Joe Mantegna is somebody who's got a show on Outdoor Channel.

00:51:05.000 So he has this big cigar dinner every year in Burbank.

00:51:10.000 And saw the Fuentes and all these different movie stars and stuff.

00:51:15.000 And so he's like, man, why don't you get a table?

00:51:16.000 Come out and join us.

00:51:17.000 I'm like, yeah.

00:51:17.000 Yes!

00:51:18.000 I took my wife.

00:51:19.000 We're all country.

00:51:20.000 I was so excited to just get dressed up and everybody think I wouldn't like it.

00:51:23.000 But I was like, man, this is cool.

00:51:25.000 I'm out there having me a cigar.

00:51:27.000 There's the guy from Rambo.

00:51:28.000 I forget his name, but it's in Karate Kid.

00:51:31.000 Yeah, sure.

00:51:32.000 And I'm like, I'm meeting some of these people and I'm thinking it's amazing how culturally being so country.

00:51:39.000 And how now I'm talking to some of these guys like, man, dude, you're the hunting guy.

00:51:43.000 Can you...

00:51:43.000 Man, why don't you take me hunting?

00:51:45.000 I'm intrigued with that.

00:51:46.000 Yeah.

00:51:47.000 And so now having a chance, I know you had like Jim Brewer on, which what a cool cat.

00:51:51.000 I love Jim.

00:51:52.000 He is so fun.

00:51:53.000 I couldn't hardly hunt with him or Theo.

00:51:56.000 For just constantly laughing.

00:51:58.000 I mean, I like to cut up and have a good time.

00:52:00.000 The first time I went hunting, I went with Rinella took me and Brian Callen.

00:52:04.000 And it's the same deal.

00:52:05.000 Brian Callen's fucking hilarious.

00:52:06.000 We were just crying and laughing in Montana, freezing our dicks off, having a good time.

00:52:11.000 My experience was the opposite.

00:52:14.000 Always lived in cities.

00:52:15.000 And then the first time I went hunting was with Ranella.

00:52:19.000 I had been camping before when I was a kid, but I had no real exposure to nature.

00:52:24.000 And I remember just after that week doing it, I was like, I'm doing this for the rest of my life.

00:52:30.000 This hits you.

00:52:31.000 Oh, 100%.

00:52:31.000 I remember cooking the back straps over the fire.

00:52:36.000 It was me and Ranella and Callan and the crew.

00:52:40.000 And we're just, like, sprinkling some, like, seasoned salt over these back straps and cooking them over the fire.

00:52:45.000 And we're eating them with our hands.

00:52:47.000 And I was like, I'm doing this for the rest of my life.

00:52:49.000 This is, like, one of the greatest moments I've ever had in my life.

00:52:52.000 One of the greatest experiences.

00:52:53.000 I've felt so tuned into it.

00:52:56.000 I was like, this is something I've been missing.

00:52:58.000 Like, this is...

00:52:59.000 And it's a whole new world.

00:53:01.000 I explained it.

00:53:02.000 I was like, it's like you're in a different dimension.

00:53:05.000 The first time...

00:53:07.000 I shot a deer, was on that show.

00:53:10.000 So I'd never hunted an animal before.

00:53:12.000 I'd only been fishing.

00:53:13.000 And the first time I'm looking at that deer through the crosshairs of that rifle, and I'm just calming myself to squeeze a shot, and I squeeze off the shot and the deer drops like a stone, And I was like, oh my god.

00:53:26.000 I'm like, this is what I'm doing forever.

00:53:28.000 And then once I started eating it, I was like, oh, this is my new thing.

00:53:32.000 I'm like, I'm obsessed.

00:53:33.000 I was obsessed.

00:53:35.000 And then obsessed with all I had been missing.

00:53:38.000 Just the experience of being in the woods is so different than anything The way people think of hunting, unfortunately, we've been poisoned by movies where the hunters are the bad guys.

00:53:50.000 They're always douchebags. 0.95

00:53:51.000 They're always poaching animals and harassing people.

00:53:55.000 Hunters in movies, it's a trope that they've always been cruel, evil people.

00:54:01.000 There's Bambi. 0.89

00:54:02.000 The Bambi. 0.91

00:54:03.000 The Walt Disney movies are Oh, they ruin people.

00:54:06.000 They ruin this idea.

00:54:07.000 People who buy burgers from McDonald's will look down on someone who hunts an animal in the woods.

00:54:14.000 Correct.

00:54:15.000 Our brains have been distorted.

00:54:18.000 Our perceptions have been distorted by media.

00:54:20.000 And I realized that being in the woods hunting.

00:54:24.000 I was like, first of all, this is very difficult to do.

00:54:27.000 Mule deer hunting in Montana in October.

00:54:30.000 Freezing cold in the Missouri Breaks.

00:54:33.000 Fascinating!

00:54:34.000 Just the whole, the environment is so unforgiving and doesn't give a fuck about you, the quiet and the isolation out there, and a weird kind of loneliness.

00:54:47.000 Like, not loneliness, but a realization of where your place really is in the natural world.

00:54:55.000 You're not special.

00:54:56.000 No.

00:54:57.000 There's nothing significant about you.

00:54:59.000 Grind of salt.

00:55:00.000 Yeah, you're just one of many living things trying to get along out here, trying to get by.

00:55:05.000 And you have an advantage, obviously, because you have a rifle and you have binoculars and all that other good stuff.

00:55:10.000 But the reality of it is it's very, very difficult to achieve success, especially if you don't know what you're doing.

00:55:15.000 I was very lucky to have a guy like Ranella show me around.

00:55:18.000 Yeah.

00:55:19.000 Once you do it once, you're like, oh, God, this is incredible.

00:55:23.000 And then to eat that animal, completely different experience than any other meal I've ever had in my life.

00:55:28.000 Yeah.

00:55:29.000 It's such a peace that comes with it.

00:55:31.000 And I try to explain that, but there's no way to explain it until you experience it.

00:55:36.000 Right.

00:55:37.000 You know, I was even trying to explain it to Theo.

00:55:39.000 I don't know if I got that across.

00:55:41.000 We laugh.

00:55:41.000 Yeah.

00:55:42.000 Theo is a unique dude.

00:55:44.000 Man, he's one of the most...

00:55:45.000 I've met quite a few people, not as many as you, but Theo by far is one of the coolest, unique people I've met.

00:55:51.000 And I remember we get out and we're going to turkey hunt, you know, and I knew...

00:55:55.000 First of all, I think I ruined his whole excitement of it when I said, all right, man, I'll wake y'all up.

00:56:00.000 We got about 4.35, you know.

00:56:01.000 He said, what'd you say, Waddell?

00:56:03.000 I said...

00:56:04.000 Oh man, I didn't sign up for this.

00:56:06.000 I didn't say this in a brochure.

00:56:09.000 And so Caleb Presley, Barstool Sports, he was there.

00:56:12.000 I was a big fan of those guys, so I was trying to make sure I gave them the best experience I could.

00:56:19.000 Just like Rinella did with you, I knew the magnitude of, okay, these guys, I hope they want to do it again.

00:56:24.000 But we go out there...

00:56:26.000 And Theo had not been around a gun a lot.

00:56:28.000 And so I figured it'd be easy.

00:56:30.000 I had a 20 gauge.

00:56:31.000 Well, I can't remember if it was a 20 or a 12 gauge.

00:56:33.000 I had a couple.

00:56:33.000 But I put red dot, those Bushnell red dot scopes on there to make it really easy.

00:56:38.000 Not have them shoot the bead.

00:56:39.000 Just look through this optic and see the red dot.

00:56:42.000 Put it on the turkey's head.

00:56:42.000 Pull the trigger.

00:56:43.000 So Theo's looking through that thing.

00:56:45.000 Say, you want me to shoot now?

00:56:46.000 I said, no, Theo.

00:56:46.000 I mean, it's not even daylight good.

00:56:48.000 He's got sunglasses on.

00:56:51.000 And he says, he's looking through this, Joe.

00:56:55.000 He's looking through this shotgun.

00:56:56.000 He said, oh, man.

00:56:57.000 He said, I see that red dot.

00:56:58.000 He said, when I pull the trigger, it turned green.

00:57:04.000 And I said, Theo, and so there's clips of it, and I literally, he said, and then he looked at me and said, who's on the other team?

00:57:11.000 There he is, and that's it!

00:57:13.000 No, no, don't shoot.

00:57:14.000 Don't shoot.

00:57:15.000 Don't shoot.

00:57:16.000 Don't keep your thing off the trigger.

00:57:17.000 Okay.

00:57:18.000 All right, let's see what I'm saying.

00:57:19.000 You can see the red dot.

00:57:21.000 The red dot will go in his hand if you can get him in.

00:57:23.000 All right.

00:57:24.000 And who's the other team?

00:57:24.000 that was the other team look did I say I'll take it bro he lives in another dimension Theo lives in a neighboring dimension and he just comes and visits us.

00:57:40.000 Theo and I went to the UFC two weekends ago, last weekend, two weekends ago.

00:57:45.000 We were in Vegas, and then after the fights, we went to dinner.

00:57:48.000 And I swear to God, the dinner, it was an hour and a half of me and Theo crying, laughing.

00:57:54.000 I mean, tears.

00:57:56.000 I'm wiping my eyes.

00:57:57.000 I can't breathe.

00:57:59.000 I go, dude, this should have been a podcast.

00:58:00.000 We should have filmed this.

00:58:01.000 Oh, God.

00:58:02.000 I can only imagine.

00:58:04.000 We were crying.

00:58:05.000 He was saying the most ridiculous shit, and I was laughing so hard.

00:58:09.000 It was so much fun.

00:58:10.000 He's so fun.

00:58:11.000 He's so fun.

00:58:12.000 I had so much fun with that guy, man.

00:58:14.000 And he said so much that I couldn't repeat.

00:58:17.000 That was so funny.

00:58:18.000 And then they said so much that I could.

00:58:20.000 But I hadn't met anything quite like him.

00:58:23.000 He's so unique.

00:58:24.000 He's a one of a kind.

00:58:25.000 He's a one of a kind.

00:58:25.000 Such a big heart, too, man.

00:58:27.000 Oh, he's a sweetheart.

00:58:28.000 Such a nice guy.

00:58:29.000 He's such a kind person.

00:58:31.000 And just a very unique talent.

00:58:34.000 And that's the thing, too.

00:58:36.000 You know, Caleb, on the other hand, he ended up did getting a turkey.

00:58:39.000 Caleb.

00:58:39.000 And he kind of took to it pretty quick.

00:58:42.000 Theo liked it, but I think his attention, if it is attention deficit, he definitely had it.

00:58:47.000 He's got that.

00:58:48.000 And he was kind of cool.

00:58:50.000 And anyway, I realized Theo had more fun just kind of walking around, checking out the cows.

00:58:55.000 Yeah.

00:58:55.000 I mean, dude, that would be a whole...

00:58:57.000 You could do a special of Theo just walking around.

00:59:02.000 Maybe after a mushroom or something, just let him walk around and just describe what he's seeing.

00:59:06.000 I mean, our producer come back and I saw him way a ways.

00:59:09.000 I was tired, man.

00:59:10.000 I've been hunting a lot.

00:59:11.000 He said, man, we're going to go take an adventure, walk around the ranch, you know, farm.

00:59:15.000 It was down in South Florida.

00:59:17.000 I come back, our producer was laughing.

00:59:19.000 He said, man, I can't even tell you all I heard and what Theo was saying.

00:59:22.000 He said, I've never laughed so hard.

00:59:24.000 I said, I can only imagine.

00:59:26.000 I can only imagine.

00:59:27.000 But yeah, man, I don't know.

00:59:29.000 It's just like that part...

00:59:31.000 I think that's the most beautiful thing for me, coming from where I come from, and even, you know, seeing all the different people from all these cultures.

00:59:38.000 And there's so much, and I've completely understood this too, there's so little that separates us all from the most rural country guy to the most urban city guy, no matter what race, ethnicity.

00:59:50.000 It's amazing how there's so much entertainment in things.

00:59:53.000 If you just open your mind, not pretend to know it all, to want to learn, Because there's so much you can teach me, so much I can teach you.

01:00:00.000 And it's just amazing.

01:00:02.000 And it's definitely given me a whole lot better perspective.

01:00:07.000 And I don't know, that's been probably the coolest part of what I've had a chance to go on an adventure and a journey is to be able to...

01:00:14.000 You know, meet somebody like Brewer who's like, you know, he didn't really, was not intrigued with hunting.

01:00:19.000 It was more the conspiracy of what was going down and like, dude, I went to go get some chicken breasts and some chicken wings to watch football.

01:00:25.000 You couldn't find any?

01:00:26.000 The government, Fauci, is making me learn.

01:00:30.000 Waddell, teach me how to kill a turkey. 0.99

01:00:33.000 You know, on the other hand, first morning out.

01:00:36.000 Jim kills one.

01:00:37.000 And so, you know, you've hunted enough, you and Cam, where, you know, you get an elk, and it is a reverence.

01:00:42.000 It's not like you—everybody reacts different.

01:00:44.000 But, you know, if you played a good era, kind of the Ted Nugent, the spirit of the era, the spirit of the wild, and that era goes in there, and you've worked for it, you've practiced, and when you know it's a good ethical shot, and you know that you got and essentially put the tag on that bull, it is almost like spike—some people, it's almost like spiking the football when you get a touchdown.

01:01:03.000 Yeah.

01:01:03.000 So I was so excited that Jim Brewer had just got a turkey.

01:01:08.000 That me and...

01:01:08.000 And I had Ira Dean, who used to be in that country group, Trick Pony, who is just a trip in itself.

01:01:13.000 He's good friends with Jim, and they live somewhere close down there in Naples, Florida.

01:01:18.000 And me and Ira are just grabbing him.

01:01:20.000 Look like you wrestling jujitsu.

01:01:22.000 I got him in the head like, you got him, Jim!

01:01:24.000 You know, and we're like, you know, punching him like, you smoked him, you knocked him, dude, right in the head.

01:01:29.000 You know, we high-fiving, and Jim's just over like...

01:01:33.000 Overwhelmed.

01:01:34.000 Like the woman in the shower on Psycho. 1.00

01:01:36.000 Like, what did I just do?

01:01:37.000 I just killed something!

01:01:38.000 And all of a sudden, I forgot.

01:01:40.000 This is a guy in the movies.

01:01:41.000 This is a comedian that I grew up as a kid watching on Saturday Night Live.

01:01:44.000 He's never been there.

01:01:46.000 And so, and then we slowed down.

01:01:49.000 And it wasn't even hardly any time after that.

01:01:52.000 You know, Jim's just sitting there.

01:01:53.000 He takes the turkey, and he's holding it like a little puppy dog.

01:01:56.000 And he's holding it.

01:01:57.000 And Ira, my buddy, gets it.

01:01:59.000 He grabs his beak and says, Hello, Jim!

01:02:01.000 And he's...

01:02:02.000 And I think even Jim talks about it, but I just sat back and I'm like, man, how cool is this?

01:02:09.000 And then the same token, Jim's like, hey man, if you ever down here and want to come to one of my comedy shows, for my wife and friend to go do that, or to see something I've never seen, or to go home and still tell my dad who's 71, you're not going to believe...

01:02:24.000 You know, what I saw in Austin.

01:02:26.000 You're not going to believe what happened in, you know, wherever.

01:02:29.000 Las Vegas, we were at the SHOT Show.

01:02:31.000 It's, I don't know.

01:02:33.000 It's pretty amazing.

01:02:33.000 That's the beauty of travel, right?

01:02:34.000 Like, the more environments you could go into, the more completely different cultures you could explore.

01:02:40.000 You get just a wider sense of humans.

01:02:44.000 Yeah.

01:02:44.000 And you realize, like, we have more in common than we do opposed to each other.

01:02:50.000 We have much more that we share than we don't.

01:02:52.000 Correct.

01:02:53.000 And what really is, is just like, what environment did you grow up in?

01:02:57.000 You grew up in the country, I grew up in the city.

01:02:59.000 Yeah.

01:02:59.000 But once you find common ground, and once you experienced it, like, experiencing nature for the first time for people that are in the city, It's so overwhelming for them.

01:03:10.000 It's so interesting to watch them just walk around the woods and just be confused and not knowing how to navigate, not knowing where they are, and being exhausted, not knowing how much energy it takes going up hills.

01:03:22.000 Or how are we going to get back?

01:03:23.000 Yeah.

01:03:23.000 Where are we at?

01:03:24.000 We're eight miles deep.

01:03:26.000 Yeah.

01:03:26.000 Yeah, we got to walk eight miles back.

01:03:27.000 When is that going to get us back?

01:03:29.000 Well, probably 11 p.m.

01:03:30.000 Yeah, it's going to be late.

01:03:31.000 Like, what?

01:03:32.000 11 p.m.?

01:03:33.000 Yeah, we have headlights.

01:03:34.000 Yeah.

01:03:34.000 Put on your headlamps, like, what?

01:03:35.000 We're going to walk in the dark?

01:03:36.000 Are there animals out here?

01:03:37.000 There's a lot of animals out here.

01:03:38.000 And they know where you are before you know where they are.

01:03:40.000 100%.

01:03:41.000 Yeah.

01:03:42.000 It is so intriguing.

01:03:44.000 And to think about...

01:03:44.000 Totally different world.

01:03:45.000 It is a completely different world.

01:03:47.000 And for me, it was so cool.

01:03:49.000 I've, over the years, working for different...

01:03:51.000 I call it more non-edemic.

01:03:53.000 like you obviously think of Hoyt, you think of Realtree, you think of these different companies that are around the hunting culture but I remember one year I had a chance to work with Hormel Denny More Stew.

01:04:03.000 Hormel had Denny More Beef Stew.

01:04:05.000 And so they did the sweepstakes and it's like win a turkey hunt with Michael Waddell.

01:04:10.000 And so we did it and they run 30 second ads.

01:04:12.000 That was when you know everything was a bunch of 30 second ads and so the guy wins it, him and his son Well, they get there, and I realize they'd never hunted.

01:04:21.000 And it was my first time to experience guiding somebody that knew nothing.

01:04:27.000 I mean, I'd guided a lot of rookies, but I'm talking about when I say had no clue of nature.

01:04:31.000 Never shot a gun.

01:04:32.000 Never shot a gun.

01:04:34.000 I mean, immediately, you know, had a big Rambo knife tied on his side of his thing.

01:04:38.000 You know, it's like...

01:04:42.000 Okay.

01:04:42.000 And so I remember we're walking, and I realized that, okay, this would be fun for me because from the basics of everything, just the mountains, the streams to the tracks.

01:04:52.000 So we're walking along, and me and his son and him are talking, and I say, look here.

01:04:57.000 This is a coyote track right here.

01:04:58.000 Look at this.

01:04:59.000 Cool.

01:04:59.000 And you can see it in the Sendero, a perfect coyote track.

01:05:02.000 Oh, man, that's cool.

01:05:04.000 And everything he would relate to would be to a cartoon.

01:05:08.000 The Coyote on Bugs Bunny Roadrunner?

01:05:09.000 I said, yeah, like Bugs Bunny Roadrunner, Coyote, but this is a real Coyote.

01:05:14.000 And I said, oh, this is cool.

01:05:15.000 Check this out.

01:05:15.000 This is a bobcat track.

01:05:17.000 Oh, man.

01:05:18.000 I said, look, here's a turkey track, but this is a hen track.

01:05:21.000 This track is different.

01:05:22.000 I'm explaining to him the different things.

01:05:24.000 I mean, we saw everything that day from hog, javelina tracks.

01:05:27.000 So finally we're walking.

01:05:29.000 He's just so cool with these tracks, like taking pictures.

01:05:31.000 He said, hey, man, any Cheetos around here?

01:05:36.000 And I said, what?

01:05:37.000 And he said, you know, Cheetos.

01:05:40.000 I said, are you talking about like Cheetos like...

01:05:44.000 Snacks?

01:05:45.000 Snacks?

01:05:45.000 He said, oh yeah, I mean, any of those animals?

01:05:48.000 And I said, what?

01:05:49.000 What?

01:05:50.000 I swear.

01:05:51.000 Animals?

01:05:53.000 That just shows the disconnect.

01:05:56.000 Cheetos, Chester the Cheetah, which I guess is from a true animal, a cheetah, but Chester Cheeto, he was...

01:06:05.000 Like, is there any of those tracks?

01:06:06.000 If you see one of those tracks, show me what a Chester Cheeto track looks like.

01:06:10.000 I'm like, you know, we don't have cheetahs, but there is no Chester the Cheeto.

01:06:15.000 But then it hit me, it's like he was talking about the movies.

01:06:18.000 Well, Bambi is so real to them.

01:06:20.000 The fox and the hound.

01:06:21.000 I mean, it's so real.

01:06:22.000 It's like, you know, somehow, you know, they think that you go to Antarctica or North Pole and these polar bears are sitting having a soda and high-fiving and talking about Christmas.

01:06:33.000 Eating Klondike bars.

01:06:33.000 Yeah, eating Klondike bars.

01:06:34.000 Like, what's up, Waddell?

01:06:36.000 Come over here, man.

01:06:37.000 Have a Coke with us.

01:06:38.000 You know, it's like, no, that's not...

01:06:40.000 These animals will smell you, and they come hunt you.

01:06:44.000 It's like, wait a minute, a seal that we've got to wait days for him to come out of the hole and hunt them down?

01:06:49.000 Or, look, there's a dude that's been eating a lot of fried chicken and collard greens and cornbread.

01:06:54.000 I bet that sucker, I bet he can't run fast.

01:06:57.000 Let's go eat him.

01:06:58.000 And so it's just a disconnect of not knowing and thinking that everything is almost like going to the zoo.

01:07:04.000 And then when it becomes hard, you know, and you're two or three days in and you're not had opportunities like...

01:07:10.000 Dude, what is going on?

01:07:12.000 Like, we're hunting.

01:07:14.000 I mean, I've even had them like, dude, I thought you were good.

01:07:17.000 I mean, well, I'm trying.

01:07:19.000 I'm trying.

01:07:19.000 It's just this animal, it does not want to get on your plate.

01:07:23.000 It's not an easy thing to do.

01:07:24.000 No.

01:07:25.000 And that's also the problem with hunting shows.

01:07:27.000 Yeah.

01:07:28.000 Because a hunting show, if it's a half an hour show, it's 22 minutes of actual footage.

01:07:32.000 And so you're boiling down a 10-day hunt to 22 minutes.

01:07:36.000 And the reality is...

01:07:37.000 That gives a distorted perception to the people at home, like, oh, it's easy.

01:07:41.000 They just go there, they put the animal in their crosshair, that's not fair.

01:07:44.000 You hear that all the time, that's not fair.

01:07:46.000 Like, survival's not fair.

01:07:48.000 You think it's fair that the lion gets to kill the gazelle?

01:07:51.000 It's not fair.

01:07:52.000 No.

01:07:52.000 Of course it's not fair.

01:07:53.000 There's nothing fair in nature.

01:07:55.000 Why are elephants big?

01:07:56.000 Why are mice small?

01:07:57.000 There's nothing fair.

01:07:58.000 No.

01:07:58.000 Fair doesn't factor in.

01:08:00.000 This is what you're trying to do.

01:08:02.000 You're trying to survive.

01:08:03.000 Obviously, you can go to the store, but out here, there's no fucking stores.

01:08:06.000 So out here, if you want to survive, if we lived here forever, this is the only environment you're ever going to be here until your heart stops beating.

01:08:15.000 Correct.

01:08:16.000 This is the only one way.

01:08:17.000 You've got to figure out the wind.

01:08:18.000 You've got to figure out where they are.

01:08:20.000 You've got to pattern them.

01:08:21.000 You've got to figure out how to sneak up on them.

01:08:23.000 You've got to figure out how to execute a shot without getting buck fever.

01:08:27.000 You've got to do all these things.

01:08:28.000 This is the only way.

01:08:30.000 It's so deep.

01:08:31.000 You're right.

01:08:31.000 And it is difficult.

01:08:33.000 You just can't boil it down to 10. Pedro does a really good job of showing how difficult it is on these crazy adventure hunts that he does.

01:08:41.000 But even still, it's an hour or hour and a half.

01:08:43.000 The reality is it's 10 fucking days, man.

01:08:46.000 10 days.

01:08:46.000 That's right.

01:08:47.000 10 to 12 miles a day, sweating your ass off, coming back exhausted, your feet hurt, your back's killing you, and you sleep so hard.

01:08:55.000 You sleep like a dead man.

01:08:56.000 And then that alarm clock goes off at 4.30 in the morning.

01:09:00.000 You get some coffee in you with a jet boil, and you're freezing, and you're trying to warm your hands up, and then you're off again?

01:09:07.000 Yep.

01:09:08.000 It still almost feels like...

01:09:10.000 I always talk about hunting and opening today.

01:09:12.000 It's kind of like Christmas.

01:09:13.000 It's like when you finally do get to that September, and I just use elk hunting as an example because I know you love elk hunting.

01:09:19.000 It's almost like you are tired.

01:09:20.000 You've been grinding.

01:09:21.000 You've had...

01:09:22.000 You know, doing your daily gigs of whatever you're doing, the responsibilities of everything in your life.

01:09:28.000 Finally, I'm in elk camp, and you're already tired in that first morning.

01:09:31.000 You maybe don't sleep good because you're anxious and excited.

01:09:34.000 And then all of a sudden, you finally fall into deep sleep.

01:09:37.000 And all of a sudden, meh, meh, you're like...

01:09:39.000 But then all of a sudden, it's kind of like as a kid, when you're waiting on Santa Claus, it's like, man, I'm not sleeping.

01:09:43.000 I'm listening for him.

01:09:45.000 I left milk cookie for him.

01:09:47.000 But then you fell asleep deep, and all of a sudden, you wake up like, Santa Claus!

01:09:52.000 So you jump up, and you're still tired.

01:09:53.000 And so hunting, to me, is still that.

01:09:55.000 That's amazing, and it's still that after all these years.

01:09:57.000 I still get excited.

01:09:58.000 That's the same with Cam.

01:09:59.000 I mean, he's been hunting his whole life.

01:10:00.000 He still loves it more than anything.

01:10:02.000 I plan on it so hardcore that, like, when Netflix gave me a comedy special, I had to make sure that it was the beginning of August.

01:10:10.000 I was like, I need time to get ready.

01:10:12.000 Because, like, I have a whole training routine and a shooting routine, and, you know, I want to make sure I'm shooting 100 hours a day, seven days a week.

01:10:20.000 I want to make sure my...

01:10:22.000 Accuracy is fully dialed in.

01:10:24.000 I have 100% confidence.

01:10:25.000 My cardio is on point.

01:10:27.000 I got to be ready.

01:10:28.000 So I was like, it can't be any later than like August 5th.

01:10:31.000 I'm like, I need like four hard weeks.

01:10:35.000 I mean, I'm training for it all year round, but four hard weeks, almost like you're getting ready for a fight.

01:10:40.000 In some of those meetings, do you still have maybe executives looking at you like...

01:10:44.000 Oh yeah, they ask weird questions.

01:10:46.000 I don't understand that.

01:10:47.000 So September 12th through the 23rd...

01:10:51.000 I'm like, you're not going to find me.

01:10:52.000 Yeah.

01:10:53.000 And to them, they don't understand.

01:10:55.000 Outside of people playing football, you still see the Christmas games and the Christmas Eve or Thanksgiving.

01:11:00.000 But for me, Thanksgiving and Christmas, very rarely...

01:11:04.000 You know, all of us kind of like, I'm taking that day.

01:11:06.000 You know, I'm taking that day.

01:11:07.000 And that's kind of like, unfortunately, now we get in these hobbies of hunting.

01:11:11.000 Like, okay, I can't do anything the first week in April.

01:11:13.000 That's turkey season.

01:11:14.000 And September, oh, man.

01:11:16.000 That whole month's gone.

01:11:18.000 Yeah.

01:11:18.000 And November, oh, man, the deer are rutting.

01:11:20.000 I don't know that...

01:11:22.000 Y'all got anything in July?

01:11:24.000 I've had big guests, like important guests, that wanted to come in like September 10th.

01:11:29.000 I'm like, that's not going to work.

01:11:30.000 Can't do it.

01:11:30.000 It's not going to happen.

01:11:31.000 Well, it's the only time he's in America.

01:11:33.000 It's not going to work.

01:11:34.000 Let me know if he come back.

01:11:35.000 Yeah, let me know if he come back.

01:11:37.000 I'm not missing that.

01:11:38.000 It's just, it's my favorite time of the year.

01:11:41.000 There's nothing like it.

01:11:43.000 Funny story, it happened similar.

01:11:44.000 You know, people wonder, like, do you ever get tired of it?

01:11:47.000 You really don't.

01:11:48.000 I mean, I'm sure like you, you know, obviously say in the comedian world to kind of draw parallels, that opportunity to go out for 30 minutes or an hour to make someone laugh and they're digging on the stuff that you're performing.

01:12:02.000 There's got to be a natural high that comes with it.

01:12:05.000 So there becomes an addictive quality to it.

01:12:07.000 And it's not necessarily about the money.

01:12:09.000 It's just a certain situation that feels good.

01:12:11.000 So you wonder, like, when do I want to step down for this?

01:12:13.000 And it's kind of like, you know, Keith Richards playing a guitar.

01:12:16.000 Maybe never.

01:12:17.000 It's like this is part of it.

01:12:18.000 And I think hunting becomes like that.

01:12:20.000 And to the point with me, like the things I love, and I've been blessed that inevitably my financial opportunities have came from hunting.

01:12:28.000 Promoting hunting and working for different partners, as is Cam's, and many of us, Remy, Steve, a lot of us, but I'm still so addicted to the point to where my wife, she loves country music, my wife Christy, and so through people we meet, we've got invited to some really cool things, you know, from get-togethers to parties to situations, awards to ceremonies to different clubs, and so a lot of times we'll try to go, and it's actually a cool thing for me because, hey man, I met this person Would you like to do this or that?

01:12:58.000 And one thing in particular happened.

01:13:00.000 My wife loves country music, and there's a lot of those country music guys that I hunt with.

01:13:04.000 So I had gotten a text from a guy that was having some award ceremony around the country music.

01:13:10.000 I forget which one it was, but when they had it at the Dallas Stadium.

01:13:13.000 Anyway, I got invited.

01:13:15.000 He said, hey, if you want to come out, Waddell, look, man, we'd like to have you at the...

01:13:20.000 You know, man, we'll treat you like one of the singers, you know, and...

01:13:24.000 So immediately I said, oh dude, what's the dates?

01:13:26.000 And they said it's April.

01:13:28.000 I forget what it was.

01:13:30.000 Whatever it was, it hit right in turkey season.

01:13:32.000 Like right when I knew.

01:13:33.000 I hadn't even had anything planned.

01:13:35.000 This was time, but I knew, kind of like you know, September.

01:13:38.000 So I said, man, I'm sorry.

01:13:39.000 Thank you so much for the invite, but I'm not going to be able to make it.

01:13:42.000 Well...

01:13:43.000 My wife and I don't have a relationship where we go in through each other's phones and stuff like that. 0.99

01:13:47.000 But that particular...

01:13:48.000 My phone was sitting...

01:13:50.000 It was maybe a week later sitting there.

01:13:52.000 And that same gentleman had texted me on another matter.

01:13:55.000 And so he had just texted me.

01:13:56.000 I said, Christy, get my phone.

01:13:58.000 So she did.

01:13:59.000 And somehow she just happened to look at that text.

01:14:02.000 And all of a sudden I couldn't figure out.

01:14:04.000 She was just kind of giving me the cold shoulder.

01:14:06.000 Like the rest of the day I'm like...

01:14:08.000 What did I do?

01:14:09.000 And I couldn't figure out what I did, you know?

01:14:12.000 So finally, I was like, look, baby, you know, I figured out a lot of things about elk and turkey.

01:14:16.000 I ain't figured out a woman completely. 0.72

01:14:18.000 And so I know I done pissed you off some kind of way.

01:14:21.000 I don't know what I did, but, you know, help me understand.

01:14:24.000 She said, you know what?

01:14:25.000 I do have a bone to pick with you.

01:14:27.000 And I was like, oh, hey, well, let me have it.

01:14:29.000 You know, let me have it.

01:14:29.000 And I'm already thinking, I ain't did shit.

01:14:31.000 You know, I don't think.

01:14:32.000 She said, you know what?

01:14:33.000 I know you like to hunt turkeys.

01:14:34.000 I'm like, okay, alright.

01:14:36.000 And I'm like, yeah, I love to hunt turkeys.

01:14:38.000 She said, but you know what?

01:14:40.000 We could take one night and go to a really cool awards ceremony.

01:14:43.000 Maybe we could hang out with Blake and have a drink and just chill and relax.

01:14:48.000 And Luke was going to be...

01:14:49.000 And I was like, what are you talking about?

01:14:51.000 And then she said, well, I saw the text and we were invited to go to the awards.

01:14:57.000 And you quickly just said no, didn't even talk.

01:15:00.000 And I'm like...

01:15:02.000 And then I hit me like, what a selfish...

01:15:04.000 I don't know how many turkeys I've seen shot, or how many turkeys I've shot myself, but here it is, I'm 50 years old, and I'm saying no just like that, without hesitation.

01:15:15.000 Right.

01:15:15.000 No, I mean, that would be fun.

01:15:17.000 In my mind, I'm thinking, dude, if that was June or July, and I had your number, I'd be texting everybody, dude, are y'all going?

01:15:24.000 Yeah.

01:15:25.000 Can we have a drink, hang out?

01:15:26.000 Sure.

01:15:27.000 But it's like, nope.

01:15:28.000 It wouldn't matter if Elvis Presley...

01:15:31.000 It's going to be the show.

01:15:32.000 I was like, and then it hit me.

01:15:34.000 I'm like, man, I am selfish.

01:15:37.000 And it hit me there.

01:15:38.000 And I did.

01:15:39.000 I sincerely said, I'm sorry, because you're right.

01:15:41.000 I could have just got a commercial flight.

01:15:43.000 We could have flew out there and spent a great evening, had a great date night and saw the awards and come back.

01:15:47.000 But in my mind, I'm thinking, why would anybody go to a big city in the middle of Turkey?

01:15:54.000 I don't understand that.

01:15:56.000 And I'm trying to...

01:15:57.000 I'm still learning.

01:15:58.000 I'm still learning.

01:15:59.000 Well, the reality of it is if you haven't experienced hunting, you don't understand why people are so drawn to it and why the experience is so much more powerful than anything else you have in life other than the birth of your children, you know, being in love.

01:16:17.000 There's a bunch of experiences that are wonderful in the regular modern civilized life.

01:16:22.000 But when you get that bug...

01:16:25.000 You get that bug?

01:16:26.000 You know, you get that bug?

01:16:28.000 When you hear the swat of that fucking arrow hitting the vitals, and you see the spot right in the golden triangle, you see the blood dripping down, and you see him stumbling forward, you're like, we got him.

01:16:41.000 We got them.

01:16:41.000 And every sense in your body is on 10. Your fucking goosebumps have goosebumps.

01:16:48.000 Everything.

01:16:49.000 It's just, there's nothing like it in the world.

01:16:51.000 You want to stand up and tie that bandana like on Rambo First Blood.

01:16:56.000 It's just, I don't know, it's a crazy feeling.

01:17:00.000 And I hope more people get a chance to experience it.

01:17:03.000 But it is unbelievable.

01:17:05.000 It's so hard to do.

01:17:06.000 Especially like archery elk hunting or archery mule deer hunting.

01:17:10.000 Probably even more difficult.

01:17:11.000 I agree.

01:17:12.000 It is so hard to do.

01:17:14.000 To get someone addicted to that...

01:17:17.000 Boy, you've got to get a special kind of person that's willing to, like, the learning curve is so long.

01:17:24.000 And the physicality of that high-desert mule deer.

01:17:26.000 Oh, it's brutal.

01:17:26.000 Oh, yes.

01:17:28.000 And also, those motherfuckers are smart. 1.00

01:17:31.000 You think they're not?

01:17:31.000 Oh, yeah.

01:17:32.000 They've been ducking mountain lions for five, six years, and they know any little snap of a branch, any little, like, moving of a rock that sounds like it might have been a predator's paw.

01:17:43.000 Oh, yeah.

01:17:43.000 They're on a swivel.

01:17:44.000 They're up, and they're bouncing.

01:17:46.000 Boing, boing, boing.

01:17:47.000 See ya.

01:17:48.000 They're gone.

01:17:49.000 And that's another thing people don't realize.

01:17:51.000 You know, they think, oh, you hunters are going out there and, you know, getting these animals.

01:17:55.000 And, you know, obviously the hunters have such a responsibility and the balance of a lot of things.

01:18:00.000 You know, and Mother Nature is, first of all, very brutal. 0.98

01:18:03.000 And there's a lot to be learned through nature.

01:18:05.000 There's a lot of things we think we know, but then if you really dig deep and you're in the mountains, you realize, wait a minute, that was all human nature.

01:18:12.000 This is nature.

01:18:13.000 There's a difference.

01:18:14.000 So many examples that you can get into.

01:18:16.000 But at the end of the day, these deer also have coyotes.

01:18:20.000 Now they reintroduce wolves in some of these places.

01:18:23.000 And they have done studies that, in some cases, they feel like an adult male mountain lion can kill up to 100 mule deer.

01:18:30.000 One mountain lion.

01:18:32.000 So you're talking 80 to 100 animals that they kill.

01:18:36.000 So when you think about us, even if we're athletic...

01:18:39.000 Is that a year?

01:18:40.000 That's a year.

01:18:41.000 That's one.

01:18:42.000 And they've done all kinds of studies.

01:18:43.000 I know the state of Utah has been really proactive, which is great.

01:18:48.000 And what I love about Utah Game of Fish is what they're doing.

01:18:51.000 They're listening to a lot of these mountaineering type of guys who are not, you know, have a doctorate in biology or balance in nature.

01:19:01.000 They're just ranchers. 0.98

01:19:02.000 They're outfitters.

01:19:02.000 They're hunters.

01:19:03.000 They're somebody that's immersed themselves.

01:19:05.000 And, you know, they might not consent their...

01:19:08.000 And recite Shakespeare, but they can certainly tell you what they've seen.

01:19:12.000 They don't claim to know it all, but they can tell you things that they are seeing out there.

01:19:16.000 There's different kinds of intelligence and knowledge.

01:19:18.000 And a lot of the Game of Fish sometimes will get, at times, arrogant to say, well, what am I going to learn from a Joe?

01:19:18.000 100%.

01:19:29.000 What am I going to learn from Michael Waddell?

01:19:30.000 What am I, Remy Warren?

01:19:31.000 Come on, dude.

01:19:32.000 Okay, you hunt a lot.

01:19:32.000 But, you know, I got a doctorate in this.

01:19:35.000 Well, like California's a great example.

01:19:37.000 A lot of their game and fish...

01:19:39.000 I don't even think they call it game and fish.

01:19:41.000 I think they call it fish and wildlife.

01:19:43.000 Yeah, because they don't want the concept of game to be introduced, meaning hunted.

01:19:43.000 Correct.

01:19:49.000 Their thought is they want to get it to the point where the predators and the prey balance each other out where there's no need for hunting.

01:19:57.000 And they would like to reintroduce wolves to help in that.

01:19:59.000 They do.

01:20:00.000 It's animal activists that have taken these positions that should be held by wildlife biologists who have an objective understanding of the populations and how to keep them healthy.

01:20:10.000 And the way they're doing it in California is you've got mountain lions everywhere.

01:20:14.000 In this one ranch that I hunt, they had a waterhole, they had a pond, and they had a trail cam.

01:20:20.000 They found 18 different cats that visited this trail cam.

01:20:24.000 See, that...

01:20:25.000 18 different mountain lions.

01:20:26.000 That goes beyond what biologists will tell you.

01:20:29.000 As a matter of fact, a lot of times, a lot of the studies are...

01:20:32.000 Now it's been changed in everything.

01:20:34.000 The goalposts are being adjusted.

01:20:35.000 But there was a time, I think it was 28 square mile radius that I know at least in the state of Utah.

01:20:41.000 So I'm not saying every game of fish department, you know, I call it, or fishing game, or fish and wildlife would say.

01:20:47.000 But they had specifically, they said, a male mountain lion basically controlled 28 miles diameter.

01:20:55.000 Only to find that in Utah, I've got some friends and outfitters that went out there when they did have the quota tags.

01:21:01.000 Now you can just buy a tag over the counter or get depredation.

01:21:05.000 You can hunt mountain lion all the time because they realize, look, these mountain lions are killing a lot of elk, a lot of mule deer specifically.

01:21:10.000 On top of that, you don't know what the winter is going to be and what that's going to kill.

01:21:14.000 Then you got wolves, you got bears, you got all this stuff.

01:21:17.000 This outfitter took a business card.

01:21:19.000 And he put it down.

01:21:21.000 He said, well, I know y'all think this, but I want to show y'all what I filled the quota.

01:21:24.000 He said, I shot 10 mountain lions in this business card.

01:21:28.000 He said three of them was here.

01:21:31.000 So your theory that one male mountain lion is in this 28 mile diameter It's completely busted.

01:21:37.000 This is not on anything I've studied.

01:21:39.000 I didn't go to Harvard.

01:21:40.000 I didn't go to Auburn University in the Wildlife Department.

01:21:42.000 I don't have trail cameras out there.

01:21:44.000 I'm just telling you that with red-boned hounds, this is a true statistic.

01:21:48.000 Here's the photos.

01:21:49.000 And so what has happened, a lot of those people got together.

01:21:53.000 And what I love about Utah, they are listening.

01:21:56.000 And they're saying, okay, this old hillbilly knows something.

01:21:59.000 Let's listen to them.

01:22:00.000 And so they're adjusting.

01:22:01.000 And now the deer numbers are going up.

01:22:03.000 The hunting is getting better.

01:22:06.000 And it's unfortunate that really some of these people might be right that nature does have a great way of balancing itself.

01:22:13.000 Very, way more brutal than what you and I would approach the management process.

01:22:19.000 But everything's changing.

01:22:20.000 I mean, you know, you talk about California.

01:22:23.000 You talk about how they reintroduced the wolves, say, in Colorado.

01:22:26.000 Well, all that was voted in in a very urban area, specifically Aspen, all the ranchers.

01:22:31.000 I don't think it should be voted in at all.

01:22:32.000 It shouldn't be.

01:22:33.000 Ballot biology to me is ridiculous.

01:22:35.000 It don't make sense.

01:22:36.000 You should have to have an understanding about what you're voting on from a perspective of the people that are actually in the field.

01:22:42.000 And the reality of mountain lions is like you're not going to get an accurate assessment from someone who visits it once a month.

01:22:42.000 Correct.

01:22:48.000 They think you can go out there and sell tourist tickets to watch the mountain lions.

01:22:52.000 You can't find them.

01:22:54.000 They're there, and they know you're coming.

01:22:56.000 They smell you miles away.

01:22:58.000 They're not going to be anywhere near you.

01:22:59.000 And if you do see them, it's rare.

01:23:01.000 I heard Rinella, because Rinella spends a lot of time in desolate places. 1.00

01:23:04.000 And I didn't specifically talk to Cam.

01:23:07.000 But kind of in perspective, I started working.

01:23:12.000 In the area of either guiding or working with an outfitter, working with companies that were doing shows for, at the time, TNN that turned into ESPN, now Outdoor Channel, now YouTube, so on and so forth.

01:23:23.000 Well, so as a young kid, you know, in rural Georgia, I finally had a chance to start going and seeing these places from Saskatchewan I got to go to Africa, all over Mexico, and now I'm hunting all across the western landscape, not just in Georgia hunting whitetails and turkeys and squirrels there.

01:23:40.000 I've only saw one mountain lion in the daylight.

01:23:44.000 One! 0.96

01:23:45.000 Now, I've spent tons.

01:23:47.000 I think Rinella said he saw six in his lifetime in the daylight.

01:23:50.000 So what you realize, if you see a mountain lion in the daylight, now I've seen a lot of mountain lions, but they all have been in a tree behind a dog or running behind a dog.

01:23:59.000 I'm talking about just you and I glassing, looking for meal deer and like, Joe, mountain lion.

01:24:03.000 You don't see them.

01:24:04.000 You don't see them.

01:24:05.000 And the same with wolves.

01:24:06.000 I've seen two wolves in my life.

01:24:08.000 One was in the Yukon, one was in Alaska, in the daylight.

01:24:11.000 I've heard them countless times.

01:24:13.000 You know, we've been camping in spike tents, and you hear the wolves.

01:24:15.000 I've heard them all across places where wolves exist, but you don't see them.

01:24:21.000 Another perspective is even coyotes.

01:24:23.000 I have 500, a little over 500 acres I live on in Georgia, and so I noticed that I was finding all kinds of fawns, and they did a bunch of studies from University of Georgia, Auburn University, talking about how many deer that coyotes eat, which you can't blame them.

01:24:38.000 Why would you not eat a fawn in the fawning time of year and feed your pups?

01:24:42.000 So I decided, actually, of all people who got me into trapping, it was Blake Shelton.

01:24:48.000 He was trapping in Oklahoma and loves it.

01:24:50.000 So I'm like, my God, if this country singer who hosted The Voice can trap, I've got to learn about this.

01:24:57.000 So I dug deep and 2019 and 20, man, I just dug in and just learned a lot more about trapping instead of putting out dirt hole traps or leg hole, dirt hole traps and different things.

01:25:09.000 And so I caught in 2021, I caught like 22 one year, 19 another year, just on 500 acres.

01:25:16.000 Wow.

01:25:17.000 And if we go hunting tomorrow, now think about 20 dogs that are smaller than a German Shepherd, but a small, you know, Canine dog that lives on your property.

01:25:27.000 Some are passing through.

01:25:29.000 To think that in a four-week period, I could catch 22 coyotes.

01:25:34.000 That at times, you know, hunting a lot, I would see them time to time.

01:25:40.000 Along that also caught seven fox and two bobcats.

01:25:43.000 And I don't know how many coons and possums.

01:25:45.000 So for people to think that you see this all the time, you don't.

01:25:48.000 I live there.

01:25:49.000 And when I'm home, every day I'm up and I'm riding...

01:25:52.000 Checking food plots, putting in food plots.

01:25:55.000 I got bulldozers.

01:25:56.000 I got different things and tractors trying to make the wildlife habitat better to make sure I got better areas for my turkeys to brood, making sure I'm planting resources.

01:26:04.000 And I don't see these things.

01:26:05.000 And this is all I've ever done.

01:26:08.000 The people that live in Aspen are just out of L.A., you know, not trying to throw shade on them, but you don't know, man.

01:26:14.000 I don't know how to hit a half pipe like Tony Hawk either. 1.00

01:26:18.000 So I'm still learning.

01:26:20.000 And so for me to say that and to think that you can just spend nearly $4.8 million, $5 million to reintroduce wolves and think you're going to get tourists to come out there and look at them.

01:26:29.000 These wolves, if they could talk, they're like, these people don't have a clue.

01:26:31.000 You're never going to see me.

01:26:32.000 Well, not only that, but they took wolves that were already depredating livestock.

01:26:37.000 That's the ones that they captured and they moved them to Colorado where they're going to continue to do the same thing.

01:26:41.000 I just read something the other day.

01:26:42.000 You see they're removing one of those herds?

01:26:44.000 They're trapping them and removing them because of all the depredation of killing livestock.

01:26:49.000 Guess what?

01:26:50.000 If a mountain lion kills a hundred deer, One.

01:26:53.000 And then he's, okay, God bless the fact that he is nature and he's hunting a deer or an elk.

01:27:00.000 But guess what they do when that starts running low?

01:27:02.000 They're like, man, that dog looks good.

01:27:04.000 Yeah.

01:27:05.000 We were talking about this yesterday, that San Francisco, when they kill mountain lions in the Bay Area, 50% of their diet is pets.

01:27:12.000 Ain't that something?

01:27:13.000 And all is well.

01:27:14.000 All these PETA members, they're all fine, long as it's your dog and your cat.

01:27:19.000 But all of a sudden, you let a herd of deer come in and eat their $40,000 worth of landscaping, and a mountain lion kill their pet, they're secretly calling me like, hey, bone collector?

01:27:31.000 I'm not going to lie, that's a little offensive, but...

01:27:34.000 We need you.

01:27:36.000 So how quiet is your bow and arrow?

01:27:40.000 It's like, oh, hypocrisy.

01:27:44.000 Is this hypocrisy.com calling me?

01:27:47.000 Well, it's uneducated.

01:27:48.000 It's uneducated.

01:27:49.000 They just don't know what they're talking about, and they don't have any experience in it.

01:27:52.000 And again, like we talked about, the idea, the mass media idea of a hunter is very negative.

01:28:00.000 It's very negative.

01:28:01.000 Very negative.

01:28:02.000 It's sad because what you'll find, too, is some of the best people in society.

01:28:07.000 Some of the best people.

01:28:08.000 I mean, they're really down to earth.

01:28:10.000 I mean, sat around a campfire with somebody that grew up very rural.

01:28:14.000 Their excitement of talking about everything typically is pretty awesome.

01:28:20.000 Also, their appreciation of hard work.

01:28:22.000 They very much appreciate it.

01:28:23.000 And I think that's...

01:28:25.000 Even my dad, man, he's 71. And I said, Dad, you ain't gonna believe it.

01:28:30.000 Joe Rogan texted me and invited me to come up on the show.

01:28:33.000 And he said, man, I like that Rogan.

01:28:36.000 He said, that dude...

01:28:38.000 It's funny, anytime I talk about my dad, I gotta go into that impersonation.

01:28:43.000 That Joe, man, he's stout.

01:28:44.000 He's stout, man.

01:28:44.000 He's stout.

01:28:45.000 He work out a lot.

01:28:46.000 You know, and I'm thinking, how does my dad know the routine?

01:28:49.000 He knows that I like him.

01:28:51.000 You know, of course, he loved that you had Trump on and that you had kind of bringing some light to that and giving him an opportunity to talk.

01:28:59.000 And so I find across the board, same conversation I had talking to some squirrel hunters, talking about Cam Haynes.

01:29:07.000 You know, it's like Cam...

01:29:09.000 You know, he runs and he does this stuff.

01:29:11.000 And what brought me and Cam back together to even going out and talking on his podcast, you know, we grew up close to the same age, same trajectory.

01:29:20.000 I'm the Southern guy.

01:29:21.000 He's a West guy.

01:29:23.000 He's a fitness guy.

01:29:24.000 You know, I'm kind of a little Debbie eater.

01:29:28.000 Fried chicken, collard green, but we still figured out a way.

01:29:30.000 I always said, somebody asked me, I said, what's the difference between you and Cameron Haynes?

01:29:33.000 I said, Cameron Haynes runs quickly to the top of the mountain.

01:29:35.000 And I sat down and I called him off the mountain.

01:29:38.000 I'm going to figure out how to communicate with him, you know.

01:29:40.000 There's a lot of different ways to crack it.

01:29:41.000 There's a lot of different ways to skin the cat, as they would say.

01:29:44.000 But at the end of the day, I was talking to some squirrel hunters over in Alabama.

01:29:48.000 And these guys, prototypical, what you'd pull up, looked like Billy Coleman from Where the Red Fern Grows, you know.

01:29:55.000 Had squirrel dogs and And one of the guys, he had to be in his 60s, and literally I had some chew in the back.

01:30:01.000 He said, man, you're friends with that Cameron Haynes.

01:30:03.000 And I said, I am.

01:30:04.000 I said, I've known Cameron a long time.

01:30:07.000 He said, man, he seemed like a good dude.

01:30:08.000 And I don't know why he hit me.

01:30:10.000 Like, this guy, I wouldn't expect to mention Cameron.

01:30:13.000 And so quickly, I contacted Cameron.

01:30:16.000 I said, man, he's had a cool conversation.

01:30:18.000 And so he and I quickly kind of said, man, why have we not even hunted together?

01:30:23.000 Like, we've been at trade shows and stuff and done some stuff.

01:30:25.000 And And so that's been really cool for me, an old friend I've known a long time, to get back in camp, and the conversations are so funny.

01:30:33.000 We get to laughing and cutting up, and I don't know, it's crazy.

01:30:38.000 Well, I think one of the beautiful things about social media for hunting and podcasts for hunting is that people have an opportunity to hear a completely different perspective about what it is that wasn't available before that.

01:30:50.000 I got into hunting because I started watching Spirit of the Wild.

01:30:54.000 Ted Nugent.

01:30:55.000 I love Ted.

01:30:56.000 That's when I got fascinated with it.

01:30:58.000 And then I watched Ronella's original show, which, oh, God, I can't remember the name of it.

01:31:03.000 He had a show.

01:31:04.000 He wasn't Meat Eater, though.

01:31:05.000 No, no, no, before Meat Eater.

01:31:07.000 God, I forget the name of it.

01:31:08.000 But his show, it didn't last very long, but I thought it was really interesting.

01:31:12.000 And I knew Helen Cho because Helen Cho, who worked with Ronella on that show, she also worked with Bourdain. 0.82

01:31:22.000 And so, you know, I was friends with Bourdain, and so I got introduced to them through that, and Helen got Steve on the show.

01:31:29.000 He didn't even know what a podcast was.

01:31:30.000 He was like, what are we doing here?

01:31:33.000 We were filming out of the Ice House in Pasadena at that time.

01:31:36.000 The Ice House is a comedy club in Pasadena, and that's where we had our studio.

01:31:39.000 And so it was Rinella sitting there.

01:31:41.000 He's like, oh, kind of a little dismissive of this.

01:31:43.000 Like, what is this nonsense?

01:31:44.000 Yeah.

01:31:45.000 And then now he's got one of the biggest podcasts in the space.

01:31:47.000 He's done a phenomenal job, man.

01:31:49.000 Oh, he's great.

01:31:50.000 He has.

01:31:51.000 I was, when Rinella had reached out and I had a chance to be on his podcast, you know, I I would say I'm a very secure person, but at the same time, I know I'm country.

01:32:01.000 I know I'm the, for lack of better words, the guy that...

01:32:05.000 I kill a lot of stuff.

01:32:06.000 There ain't no way to say it any better.

01:32:08.000 I could say harvest, pluck, take, but at the end of the day, I grew up where...

01:32:12.000 In Georgia, we could kill 10 deer legally a year.

01:32:16.000 So, mostly with a bow.

01:32:17.000 And then Alabama, the neighboring state, you know, you could kill a buck and a doe a day for a long time in Alabama.

01:32:23.000 And there was people that tried to do it.

01:32:25.000 It wasn't ever, did you get you a good one this year?

01:32:26.000 Like, yep, 47. Like, what?

01:32:31.000 That's a lot of food.

01:32:32.000 At first, when I first started meeting and hanging with Rinella, I thought, man, I hope he don't think I'm just this old redneck crazy dude.

01:32:40.000 And then once we've become friends, it gets back to the whole how everything is so much tighter that you realize and how we all have so much respect for each other in different lanes of bringing it.

01:32:50.000 And it's just like anything.

01:32:52.000 I mean, you've got different players on a team, all playing for the same team.

01:32:56.000 But they all have a different skill set.

01:32:57.000 And so we all grow up a little different.

01:32:59.000 And so again, I just assumed growing up in my small little area, just out of Manchester, Woodbury, Georgia, I really think the area I was from was called Booger Bottom, Georgia.

01:33:12.000 And I just thought, well, Booger Bottoms are everywhere. 1.00

01:33:15.000 Well, you find out there is a lot of different little names.

01:33:18.000 There are no lights there.

01:33:19.000 But I just really assumed everybody did.

01:33:21.000 And I was just completely devastated when I went to the city.

01:33:25.000 And, you know, and I'd tell somebody, like, man, you know, what do you do?

01:33:28.000 It's like, man, I work for a company.

01:33:30.000 We do hunting shows at T&N. You know, I'm so proud, thinking, man, I should be able to pass out a business card and meet a girl with this.

01:33:37.000 You know, like, oh, my God, you're a killer.

01:33:39.000 You killed Bambi. 1.00

01:33:40.000 And it just, bro, it just completely didn't.

01:33:43.000 Because you had never been around people who were anti-hunting.

01:33:46.000 I didn't know it existed.

01:33:46.000 I never had.

01:33:48.000 I mean, I was that naive.

01:33:49.000 How old were you when you first encountered people that were anti-hunting?

01:33:49.000 I did not know it existed.

01:33:52.000 I was in my early 20s.

01:33:54.000 Wow.

01:33:55.000 I was in my early 20s.

01:33:56.000 How hard was it to wrap your head around that?

01:33:58.000 It blew me away.

01:33:59.000 And people that eat meat, too, by the way, right?

01:34:01.000 Yeah, I mean, it really hit me when I started traveling.

01:34:04.000 I literally was like a kid that was just, you know, getting up every morning for Christmas.

01:34:10.000 I was having a chance to work for Bill Jordan, and I met him through winning a turkey calling contest.

01:34:16.000 And he asked me, him and David Blanton, I can't say enough great things about Bill and David.

01:34:21.000 David Blanton believed in me when, I mean, he always believed in me so much, and he said, hey, man, we'd love for you to help guide hunters.

01:34:27.000 And back then, everything around hunting was media, outdoor life, field and stream.

01:34:31.000 So there wasn't any hunting shows.

01:34:33.000 But then about that same time, TNN, after these NASCAR races, introduced an outdoor block, which if you go back and look...

01:34:41.000 People like Jackie Bushman at the time.

01:34:44.000 This would have been, for me, it had been a 92 or 3 or 4, somewhere right in there.

01:34:44.000 What year was this, Ron?

01:34:49.000 Did they even have rangefinders back then?

01:34:51.000 No rangefinders.

01:34:52.000 I bought the first one I'd ever seen.

01:34:53.000 It was a Bushnell, and I still work with Bushnell.

01:34:55.000 The thing looked like a car battery.

01:34:58.000 I mean, literally, you know, I had safety straps.

01:35:01.000 I had, like, chains.

01:35:02.000 I like one...

01:35:03.000 Strongest man contest to hold this thing up.

01:35:05.000 But you had the little ones you could roll.

01:35:08.000 And it didn't even tell you when the temperature changes, it's going to give you an inaccurate, it's going to change with the weather.

01:35:14.000 But no, it was, you know, just guessing.

01:35:17.000 Was it a laser range fighter?

01:35:18.000 The first ones was like a roller.

01:35:21.000 You rolled two things.

01:35:22.000 I forget how exactly that worked, but it come and it gave you...

01:35:26.000 A rough estimate?

01:35:27.000 A rough estimate.

01:35:28.000 It would be like 40 yards.

01:35:31.000 And then Bushnell, to my knowledge, came out with one.

01:35:34.000 It was a bigger one.

01:35:35.000 Like I said, it kind of looked like a small battery.

01:35:37.000 It was big.

01:35:38.000 And it had a laser on it, and you could range it.

01:35:40.000 And it gave you the yardage.

01:35:43.000 And obviously it wasn't...

01:35:45.000 Angle compensating? 0.99

01:35:46.000 It didn't have any of the arc, the angle range compensation, had any of that.

01:35:49.000 And the first person I ever saw that even talked about that was Chuck Adams.

01:35:52.000 I was videoing with him back in those TNN days.

01:35:55.000 I want you to explain to people, like, the angle compensation is like an arrow is quicker going downhill.

01:36:02.000 So if you're shooting uphill or downhill, the angle, you have to gauge how fast the arrow is going to go, the feet per second, based on the angle.

01:36:11.000 So if it might look like it's 50 yards as the crow flies, your rangefinder might say 42. Correct. 1.00

01:36:18.000 And you've got to put your sight at 42 yards, otherwise it'll shoot right over its back.

01:36:22.000 And it works.

01:36:23.000 Yeah, it works really well.

01:36:24.000 It's unbelievable.

01:36:25.000 And that, to me, I didn't know existed.

01:36:28.000 Have you ever fucked around with those Garmin sights?

01:36:30.000 No, I haven't.

01:36:31.000 I've always wanted to try one.

01:36:33.000 It's great in theory and great when it works.

01:36:36.000 So when it works.

01:36:37.000 Yeah, I've had a problem with it a couple of times and I gave up on them.

01:36:41.000 And I'm hoping they're going to get better.

01:36:43.000 And then they outlawed them in Utah.

01:36:45.000 I tried to bring it to Utah a couple of years ago and they had passed a law, maybe last year.

01:36:50.000 And the best thing about it, though, it's like a red dot.

01:36:53.000 You get that dot.

01:36:54.000 You have a clear sight picture.

01:36:56.000 You can see just that dot.

01:36:58.000 Just that dot on the vitals.

01:36:59.000 It's amazing.

01:37:00.000 And the fact that you could go to full draw and just press a button to range and then say maybe the animal moves 15 yards to the left, you just press it again and you get a range and you have a perfect shot.

01:37:11.000 But some people think that that's cheating.

01:37:14.000 But it's just taking a step out.

01:37:17.000 Instead of picking your range finder off your bino pouch and checking it and then changing your site and then drawing back, with this you're doing it right from draw.

01:37:27.000 So from full draw you can just keep getting ranges.

01:37:29.000 And then you can also hit it once And then a second time, and you'll get pins.

01:37:34.000 So you get 20 to 80. Nice!

01:37:36.000 Yeah.

01:37:37.000 So even if you...

01:37:38.000 So then all your pins will come up based on that.

01:37:41.000 Exactly.

01:37:41.000 But if you just want an accurate range, you get that one button press, and it'll give you exact range.

01:37:48.000 And, you know, it's based on...

01:37:50.000 Everything is compensated into the site itself.

01:37:53.000 So angle compensation is built into the sight itself.

01:37:55.000 You put in the speed of your arrow.

01:37:57.000 So if you're shooting 285 feet per second.

01:37:59.000 Exactly.

01:38:00.000 It's all factored into your bow.

01:38:03.000 It's pretty incredible.

01:38:04.000 I liked that a lot because, and I think I've heard you even mention this, what I love about archery is obviously you've got these windows.

01:38:13.000 Everything ain't just sitting out in the yard where you're shooting...

01:38:16.000 You're shooting through the woods, especially if you're out there elk hunting.

01:38:18.000 You've got these windows.

01:38:20.000 There was a site years ago that I remember, and it worked, in theory, great, but it wasn't like the Range or the Garmin, but they had these fiber optics that were glued to the middle of a...

01:38:33.000 Basically of a piece of glass that went into the site housing.

01:38:36.000 So you would buy this glass housing that, okay, if your bow was 280 feet per sack or 290 or 300, 320, and your pins were preset.

01:38:44.000 So you went in and got your top pin dialed in.

01:38:46.000 So then you had all these, but your site viewing was good.

01:38:49.000 The problem was when it rained or if it got dirty.

01:38:52.000 Foggy.

01:38:53.000 Yeah.

01:38:53.000 And what I did like about that is the fact that the reason I've always liked pins, multiple pins, is the fact that I could see my whole sight picture where my arrow is going from 20 all the way out to even if I'm shooting 80. In this case, most of my sights are set up from, say, 20 to 60 or 20 to 70. I try to put as many pins on my sight as I can.

01:39:14.000 A lot of people don't like it because they think it's cluttered, but once I've mentally got used to it, if I range a bull, say, 65, when I pull back, Without having doing any other calculations, I put my 60-yard pin on that bull.

01:39:27.000 It's in the clear, and then quickly, now it's like a memory of going back, and I quickly go back up to my 20-yard pin, and I'm looking all the way down through and estimating, is this arrow going to arc through?

01:39:39.000 But basically, from 20 all the way out to my desired, where I want to hit, I can see the arc of my arrow based on my pin set good.

01:39:47.000 So you know if there's a gap in the trees, you're going to be able to get right in there.

01:39:50.000 I know if I'm at 60 holding dead on that clear spot, but I got a limb at 30 and my 30-yard pin's in the middle of it, I know, oh crap, I'm going to hit that.

01:39:57.000 So now I can just squat down.

01:39:59.000 So that's why I don't like as much single pin technology.

01:40:03.000 And then quickly, what I like about the pins, it's clutter, it's kind of old-fashioned, but I do like that a lot from that standpoint of trajectory of the ability to kind of kill or to take and fill a tag.

01:40:18.000 And Cam and I talked a lot about those things.

01:40:20.000 We talked a lot about the release.

01:40:22.000 I definitely like the, you know, I like the handheld from a, if I really want to try to haunt in and be a little more disciplined and kind of the feel it go, not feel it go off and shoot with completely surprise.

01:40:34.000 I like that, but I don't think that traditionally works as great for hunting because of the fact, I think you do have to know and to make that arrow go right now if you consistently have to Even in Texas.

01:40:46.000 I mean, we're shooting animals at, you know, 20 to 30 yards, those deer.

01:40:52.000 Sometimes the opportunity is right there.

01:40:53.000 Sometimes they walk in, they're dogging a doe.

01:40:55.000 They're coming in.

01:40:56.000 Every deer ain't coming in just to eat corn or eating a food plot.

01:40:59.000 They're coming in.

01:41:00.000 They got one thing on their mind, and that's, you know, mama is ready.

01:41:04.000 And so they're coming in grunting.

01:41:05.000 So that deer runs, he stops, and you got to be at full draw.

01:41:08.000 No, he's 27. Come back, and you got to send it right now.

01:41:11.000 You know what I describe it as?

01:41:12.000 The difference between practicing free throws and basketball.

01:41:16.000 100%.

01:41:16.000 That's it.

01:41:17.000 Stephon Curry is not...

01:41:19.000 You don't get a chance to set up and have a surprise shot.

01:41:24.000 100%.

01:41:25.000 That's a great way to make it.

01:41:26.000 That's really what it is.

01:41:28.000 I think practicing, sure.

01:41:29.000 But I think there's moments where you've got to make that sucker go off.

01:41:33.000 Oh, man, yeah.

01:41:34.000 There's great hunters like Levi Morgan who hunts with a hinge.

01:41:37.000 Dude, I mean, just an animal.

01:41:39.000 Yeah.

01:41:40.000 He's probably the most decorated archer that I know.

01:41:43.000 I mean, that dude...

01:41:44.000 Maybe of all time.

01:41:45.000 Yeah, because like Ulmer, Gillingham, all those guys are heroes of mine.

01:41:48.000 I mean, like, I very much look up to them.

01:41:50.000 And if I can ever pull them aside, I just wear them out trying to learn, you know?

01:41:54.000 Right.

01:41:55.000 But Levi is right there, dude, as far as winning and what he knows.

01:41:58.000 You know what?

01:41:59.000 Another thing about Levi, I've got to give him credit.

01:42:01.000 That dude is a cold-blooded killer, man.

01:42:03.000 He is a great hunter, too.

01:42:05.000 Sometimes I don't translate.

01:42:06.000 I know some people that are great tournament.

01:42:09.000 Right.

01:42:10.000 I mean, 3D tournament, ASA IBO winners.

01:42:12.000 Right.

01:42:12.000 But it doesn't go over into the ability to just fill tags.

01:42:16.000 It's free throws.

01:42:16.000 It's free throws versus basketball.

01:42:18.000 No doubt.

01:42:19.000 It really is.

01:42:20.000 Like, you're standing weird.

01:42:21.000 One leg is down, one leg is up.

01:42:24.000 You know, you're on the side of a hill.

01:42:25.000 You've got to cant your bow a little bit.

01:42:27.000 You know, you lean your bubble into the wind.

01:42:29.000 There's a lot of shit going on.

01:42:30.000 A lot.

01:42:31.000 A lot of shit going on.

01:42:32.000 And then you've got the nerves.

01:42:33.000 You never get completely over that.

01:42:35.000 You know, people ask me all the time, do you ever get nervous or get buck fever?

01:42:38.000 Like, man, almost every time.

01:42:40.000 It's like, I think that's when, if some of that, yes, you get good at kind of...

01:42:46.000 Somewhat like stage fright, I saw a clip of Elvis Presley.

01:42:49.000 I thought this was so unique.

01:42:50.000 I saw a clip of Elvis Presley the other day on this YouTube clip, and he was completely in panic.

01:42:56.000 And this was like right in the prime of his career, and he was walking around, and it was a narrator saying, yes, Elvis notoriously would get just afraid every time he went on fray.

01:43:04.000 And I'm like, this is the king!

01:43:05.000 Right.

01:43:06.000 But he was just pacing, and he was being short with a couple of people.

01:43:11.000 And anyway, he walks out there, and I'm sure he crushes it.

01:43:14.000 But I think...

01:43:15.000 It's similar to probably how some of those football players running out on the field.

01:43:19.000 There's no way you got all this clicking in your head.

01:43:21.000 Like, oh man, I gotta remember, Belichick has told me that he's introduced this new offense.

01:43:24.000 I'm not sure.

01:43:24.000 I don't know if I can read.

01:43:25.000 I don't know how I'm gonna read this offense.

01:43:27.000 I think hunting's similar as to where everything has to click, but you still get that...

01:43:32.000 Now is my opportunity.

01:43:34.000 Yes.

01:43:35.000 And dude, it still is overwhelming.

01:43:38.000 And then to control it, and then when you fit that arrow through that window, and then you can pick up the phone and call your family and say, baby doll, don't buy an old steak because I'm bringing it home.

01:43:49.000 It's, again, it's just an...

01:43:51.000 It's not like you want to disrespect the animal, but you just achieve something.

01:43:57.000 Grocery shopping in the wild is what you do.

01:43:59.000 I think it's something that's very difficult to do that you care a lot about.

01:44:04.000 And anytime there's something that's very difficult to do that you care a lot about, you're going to get nervous.

01:44:08.000 100%.

01:44:09.000 And especially with hunting, there's one moment.

01:44:12.000 Where you pull that trigger.

01:44:13.000 This one moment.

01:44:14.000 You have this one moment.

01:44:16.000 So you've been practicing, you've been preparing, you've been packing your gear, getting ready, all for this millisecond in time.

01:44:24.000 You release that arrow and you watch...

01:44:28.000 Right in there.

01:44:30.000 And it's very difficult to master.

01:44:32.000 I don't think you ever master.

01:44:33.000 You become proficient at it.

01:44:35.000 You become good at it.

01:44:36.000 But even the best hunters make bad shots sometimes.

01:44:39.000 Absolutely.

01:44:39.000 Animal moves.

01:44:40.000 The wind takes the arrow in a weird direction.

01:44:42.000 It hits a branch going in.

01:44:44.000 You see it all the time.

01:44:45.000 It's not an easy thing to do.

01:44:47.000 So, of course, you're going to have those nerves.

01:44:49.000 But that's part of the reward.

01:44:52.000 Being successful is that if you can get through that Nervousness and I think it helps you in everything you do in life I think anytime you do something really hard very difficult I think that ability to overcome that difficult scenario helps you with everything in life hundred percent and when it comes to archery to it You're on that ragged line to where in your subconscious you can go from, you can be the hero or you can be zero that quick.

01:45:18.000 All of that time, the money, the energy, the time that you did step away from the Netflix special in your case because, hey, I'm elk hunting.

01:45:26.000 You know you got to somehow communicate with your buddies.

01:45:28.000 Oh man, I missed.

01:45:29.000 Or worse, I made a bad shot.

01:45:32.000 Let's let them lay.

01:45:33.000 And so everything that you look forward to that whole year, you could let yourself down.

01:45:37.000 So it's a very...

01:45:39.000 Individual, lonely feeling.

01:45:40.000 Yeah, and you can't think about that before you pull the trigger.

01:45:44.000 No.

01:45:44.000 You can never think, I hope I don't make a bad shot, because you'll make a bad shot.

01:45:48.000 You can't.

01:45:49.000 And I'm always, are you always positively thinking when you're like, I'm about to put it on him?

01:45:55.000 Yeah.

01:45:56.000 Are you thinking positive?

01:45:57.000 I have to.

01:45:58.000 I do too.

01:45:58.000 Yeah, I think you have to.

01:46:00.000 I was interested, you know, I was talking, I mentioned Chuck Adams.

01:46:03.000 Chuck told me that he did the exact opposite.

01:46:06.000 He said sometimes I would say, hey, I'm going to do my best.

01:46:08.000 I'll probably fail.

01:46:09.000 It was almost like Mr. Rogers' neighborhood.

01:46:11.000 I said, you're kidding me!

01:46:13.000 And to me, this guy's the beast.

01:46:15.000 And the only other person in history I've ever heard that, there was a guy named Kenny Bartram who was a motocross.

01:46:20.000 He was the first guy to ever do a backflip on a motorcycle, and he landed it.

01:46:25.000 And so he went hunting with us one time in Texas, and I said, Kenny, I mean, how much weed do you got to smoke to get on a bike and think you can do a flip for the first time?

01:46:34.000 He said, man, I just always thought I'd probably kill myself, but I'd try it.

01:46:39.000 I said, so you never thought you would land it?

01:46:41.000 He said, no.

01:46:41.000 Every time I try a trick, I think I'm about to wad it up.

01:46:44.000 I said, oh my God, how do you do that?

01:46:48.000 And I'm thinking about me and my buddy, Boo Bishop, building a BMX track and building a little something we jumped over and thinking I'd be scared.

01:46:55.000 They're like...

01:46:56.000 Right.

01:46:56.000 I could do this.

01:46:57.000 Just jump over a little ramp.

01:46:59.000 I never thought, yeah, jumping the ramp, like, I'm probably going to crash.

01:47:01.000 I always would think I could.

01:47:03.000 And then when I crashed, I'd be, you know, like surprised.

01:47:05.000 Like, I can't believe that.

01:47:06.000 That hurt, you know?

01:47:08.000 So Chuck and Kenny was the only guys I've ever thought that thought that.

01:47:11.000 That's a weird psychology.

01:47:13.000 I don't think that's the best way to approach it.

01:47:15.000 Me either.

01:47:15.000 I've often wondered, is there ever a comedian that walks out and is like, hey, I'm probably going to bomb, but I'm going to do the best I can, or I'm going to play this guitar the best I can.

01:47:23.000 I don't know.

01:47:23.000 Sometimes people talk like that, but I think they're fishing for compliments.

01:47:29.000 For their own self.

01:47:30.000 Yeah.

01:47:31.000 I think, man, I hope this works well.

01:47:33.000 And then friends are like, come on, man, you're fucking hilarious.

01:47:35.000 You're going to kill it.

01:47:36.000 They might be like fishing for compliments.

01:47:38.000 Yeah.

01:47:38.000 Kind of like you're tired and it's third down and it's like, dude, come on, man.

01:47:42.000 I'm going to be open.

01:47:43.000 Hit me.

01:47:43.000 You muster through.

01:47:44.000 I know you're limping.

01:47:45.000 Hit me.

01:47:45.000 I'll go, yeah, okay.

01:47:46.000 Yeah, you need a little of that sometimes.

01:47:48.000 Yeah.

01:47:49.000 Yeah.

01:47:49.000 I think these experiences that we have that when we relate it to people, it's...

01:47:55.000 It's one of the only places, like in podcasts, the only places where you can hear it this way.

01:48:02.000 And I think that's what we're battling against.

01:48:06.000 We're battling against the media representations of hunting, which is almost entirely negative.

01:48:10.000 And these perceptions that people have that hunters are cruel.

01:48:14.000 And then there's this term trophy.

01:48:17.000 That is the mule deer that I killed with Renal.

01:48:19.000 That was the first deer I ever killed.

01:48:22.000 I love that.

01:48:23.000 And, you know, you could say that this is not a trophy mule deer.

01:48:25.000 It's not a very big mule deer.

01:48:27.000 As far as mule deers go, this is, you know, mature buck, but he's not a big one.

01:48:32.000 Oh, he's beautiful, yeah.

01:48:34.000 But, man, to me, this is where it all started.

01:48:37.000 100%.

01:48:37.000 And this is a trophy.

01:48:38.000 This is not, if you went to a trophy unit and you shot a deer like this, people are like, what are you doing?

01:48:43.000 Why'd you shoot this?

01:48:44.000 Why didn't you hold out for a big, mature one?

01:48:46.000 But the term trophy gets thrown around and unfortunately has a negative connotation.

01:48:53.000 It does.

01:48:54.000 I think Ted puts it the best way, Ted Nugent.

01:48:56.000 Yep.

01:48:56.000 He says...

01:48:57.000 He says...

01:48:59.000 It's all the things.

01:49:00.000 It's food, it's trophy, it's sport.

01:49:03.000 It's all those things together.

01:49:04.000 You know, I don't think of it as a sport, like you said.

01:49:07.000 I think the term sport, it's, um, sports are awesome, don't get me wrong, but it's not significant enough for what hunting is.

01:49:18.000 It's life.

01:49:20.000 You're taking a life, you're feeding yourself with that life.

01:49:23.000 It's more powerful than sport.

01:49:27.000 And that's why I think when you call it this sport of hunting, I'm like, I don't like that term.

01:49:32.000 I agree with that, too.

01:49:33.000 As a matter of fact, if there's any negative thing, I think the hunting industry and even TV shows that we produce can put a negative vibe potentially on trying to kill these big trophy animals.

01:49:45.000 Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with it.

01:49:46.000 I mean, you're hunting Utah and the places we get a chance to hunt, absolutely.

01:49:50.000 You're looking for, in that case, a seven- to eight-year-old bull.

01:49:53.000 Right.

01:49:54.000 You know, sometimes they might score 320 to 370. At the end of the day, the trophy is for sure a mature animal.

01:50:00.000 But you also got to keep in perspective, especially if you grow up where I did, where literally there's, you know, 10 guys shared a 300-acre property that they just want to deer hunt.

01:50:10.000 And they're trying to get away.

01:50:12.000 Keep in mind, they're still managing a family.

01:50:14.000 They're still dealing with the economy.

01:50:15.000 They're still dealing with everyday strife of, man, how am I going to get off work, still get my kid to soccer practice or football practice, My wife is pissed off. 0.98

01:50:25.000 I hadn't even took her to Applebee's in the last three months, you know, and it's like I didn't take the kids to, you know, Disney World and the only family picture we got in front of the Shoney's big boy. 0.99

01:50:36.000 So, man, what am I going to do?

01:50:38.000 But in the back of my mind, it's like, I sure would like to get off.

01:50:40.000 Maybe Saturday I could spend a little time and go up to the hunt lease.

01:50:43.000 Hang out, maybe get a chance to shoot a deer.

01:50:45.000 They're not necessarily thinking, I got to kill a deer to put it in Pope and Young and Arboon and Crockett.

01:50:50.000 They're looking, it's more than just a hunt.

01:50:52.000 It is a getaway.

01:50:54.000 It's a, I call it, it's a cheapest, you know, antidepressant presence you can get on to where you can clear your mind, you can get away.

01:51:02.000 Hopefully you can turn your phone off, get up in a tree stand or a saddle, whatever it is, whether you're hunting public or private.

01:51:07.000 And we miss that in the hunting industry so many times.

01:51:10.000 And there's people that are literally busting their ass for their family.

01:51:15.000 It's not a sport to hunt, but it's therapeutic.

01:51:17.000 They grew up doing it to be able to sit around a fire with other men and women sometimes and get away sometimes.

01:51:23.000 To cleanse yourself of everything that's going on.

01:51:25.000 And unfortunately, I think that's what drives people sometimes crazy, even in the city.

01:51:30.000 Sometimes I walked around Austin today early, had me a nice breakfast, and I just walked around and ended up running to this children's network that was trying to raise money where you can kind of adopt a kid and give them so much a month.

01:51:43.000 So, man, I did.

01:51:44.000 Again, I talked to everybody.

01:51:46.000 I just said, hey, man, what y'all selling over here?

01:51:48.000 Like, oh, man, normally people don't come up and talk to us.

01:51:50.000 We have to sell them as a guy from Europe and And a sweet girl that was, you could tell, born and raised right around here.

01:51:56.000 Anyway, with that said, I ended up, you know, I said, man, I want to pledge some money every month.

01:52:01.000 So I picked me out a kid in Guatemala.

01:52:03.000 And so anyway, with that said, about that time, here comes a street person.

01:52:08.000 And he is cussing me and her.

01:52:10.000 And that fell out.

01:52:11.000 I mean, the most vile words you could, I mean, cussing like a sailor, as they would say metaphorically.

01:52:15.000 And I'm like, man, what's wrong with this guy?

01:52:17.000 So I said, y'all get this a lot, you know.

01:52:19.000 And it was just before, not far from when I come over here.

01:52:23.000 And the girl said, yeah, we do get that a lot.

01:52:25.000 And the guy with the British accent or the European accent said, you know, we get it quite a bit, you know.

01:52:30.000 He said, but I think there's a bad batch of something right now.

01:52:33.000 And I'm like, oh, really?

01:52:34.000 He said, you know, he said, man, people have been really mean lately.

01:52:38.000 They've been yelling and cussing and screaming at us.

01:52:40.000 And well, by the time the guy comes back and he's like, you MFers, I know everything and everybody's retarded. 1.00

01:52:46.000 And I'm like, he's right there.

01:52:49.000 And I'm at the point to where...

01:52:51.000 Man, you know, I ain't scared.

01:52:54.000 And you can tell they're experiencing it more than I do.

01:52:56.000 And I'm sitting there watching this guy.

01:52:58.000 And then all of a sudden, he's just yelling and screaming.

01:53:01.000 I said, hey, buddy.

01:53:02.000 I said, just so you know, we on your side, man.

01:53:05.000 We love you, bro.

01:53:05.000 I said, you're right.

01:53:06.000 You know a lot more than people realize.

01:53:08.000 You know a hell of a lot more than people realize.

01:53:10.000 And I said, you cool.

01:53:11.000 I'm on your team.

01:53:12.000 So are they.

01:53:13.000 And he said, and it was crazy.

01:53:15.000 Joe, he looked right at him and said, thank you.

01:53:17.000 He left.

01:53:19.000 And it hit me.

01:53:20.000 It was so weird.

01:53:21.000 I got a little off track when I was talking about hunting, but I thought, man, the dude don't even really want to be understood.

01:53:27.000 He wants to be heard.

01:53:28.000 And I thought, how ironic that I'm going to speak with Joe today.

01:53:32.000 And anyway, the girl and the guy says, I've never seen that happen.

01:53:36.000 Like, that just got diffused.

01:53:38.000 You treated him like a human.

01:53:40.000 Yeah, and sometimes it's almost like, you know, I've never figured out completely a lady.

01:53:48.000 My wife, you know, sometimes it's always a game. 1.00

01:53:51.000 And I've learned that I don't know that I'll ever understand exactly what it is she wants, but I know she wants me to hear and pay attention.

01:53:58.000 And I think that's what...

01:54:00.000 Whether you're a hunter, whether you're from the city.

01:54:03.000 But overall, what I have found, whether you live in the city or the country, whether you get a chance to go to a rave or go to the mothership, which I hope to go by there or not, I just want to check out the joint, you know.

01:54:14.000 And so anyway, when it's all said and done, there's something about the peace and tranquility that you can refuel out in the woods, and it brings everything to a focal point.

01:54:24.000 Point, and you can be still and be quiet, and it brings everything back.

01:54:28.000 And so in reality, it's not about people going to think of you different if you shoot the biggest, highest scoring animal that you can put into the Bope& Young or the Boone& Crockett record books.

01:54:37.000 I think those of us, once we learn to respect each other and love each other's goals, that, yeah, if I know that your goal is to shoot, say, a 390 bull, That one day, you know, I'll get a call, and you're going to be hyperventilating, and you're like, I just did it.

01:54:53.000 Like, what?

01:54:54.000 Like, dude, I swear.

01:54:56.000 Well, for people who don't understand why that's so interesting to us, it's because they're the most difficult ones to get, because they're the older, wiser ones.

01:55:04.000 And also, when you look at it from a conservation standpoint, those are the ones that you want to hunt because those are the ones who spread their genes and they're probably about to get taken out by nature anyway.

01:55:15.000 Correct.

01:55:16.000 If you get an eight-year-old elk or a nine-year-old elk or a ten-year-old elk...

01:55:21.000 How many years do they have left?

01:55:22.000 I shot one 10-year-old elk once.

01:55:24.000 His teeth were worn down to almost nothing.

01:55:26.000 Just an old tank.

01:55:27.000 How much time did he have left?

01:55:29.000 Not much.

01:55:29.000 Most likely, he was going to either starve to death or freeze to death or get stabbed in a fight with another elk.

01:55:35.000 He'd get stabbed and wind up...

01:55:37.000 Mountain lion jump on him. 0.99

01:55:38.000 Mountain lion jump on him or freeze to death or a number of other very, very cruel endings.

01:55:44.000 I mean, I shot that elk at 40 yards.

01:55:48.000 It was a perfect shot.

01:55:49.000 He was down at 15 seconds.

01:55:51.000 There was no tracking.

01:55:53.000 So it's like that elk died the best way possible.

01:55:57.000 Yes, he did.

01:55:58.000 They don't live forever and become angels.

01:56:02.000 And that is a very...

01:56:05.000 Good death compared to a pack of wolves or mountain lions starting to eat on you sometimes before they're even deceased.

01:56:11.000 There's so many videos of that.

01:56:12.000 Especially bears.

01:56:13.000 Bears are brutal, man. 0.94

01:56:15.000 Bears are very brutal and selfish animals, man.

01:56:18.000 Isn't it crazy?

01:56:18.000 Hunting bears is the thing you get the most hate for.

01:56:21.000 Oh, everybody thinks they're cuddly.

01:56:23.000 I mean, I don't know if it's a Winnie the Pooh type of thing.

01:56:25.000 100%.

01:56:25.000 But it's like...

01:56:26.000 Teddy bears and yogi and all that shit.

01:56:29.000 We're all distorted.

01:56:31.000 Like when people say, you've hunt bears?

01:56:33.000 I go, I've eaten bears.

01:56:34.000 I've eaten three bears.

01:56:35.000 They're delicious.

01:56:36.000 Yeah.

01:56:36.000 Like, what?

01:56:36.000 You eat bears?

01:56:37.000 I'm like, I'll make you some bear sausage and I'll tell you what, you will fucking love it.

01:56:42.000 Especially if I don't tell you what it is.

01:56:43.000 You'll go, what is this?

01:56:45.000 This is great.

01:56:46.000 Yeah.

01:56:46.000 It seems like beef, but different.

01:56:48.000 And then if they knew how a bear's personality was, they'd want to kill them.

01:56:53.000 They'll kill their own kids to breed mama to eat them. 1.00

01:56:57.000 It's a brutal world.

01:57:00.000 There was things before I even had a chance to hunt that I recognized just domestically.

01:57:05.000 Raising rabbits.

01:57:08.000 Those rabbits would sometimes kill the little baby rabbits. 0.97

01:57:12.000 For the right and opportunity to breed again real quick with the female in the pen, you know. 1.00

01:57:16.000 And I realized, and my papa said, you've got to separate them.

01:57:19.000 That buck rabbit killed that.

01:57:20.000 I'm like, man, I didn't know that.

01:57:21.000 You know, I'm 10, 11 years old trying to figure out how to raise some rabbits.

01:57:24.000 Or watching hogs, you know, pigs.

01:57:26.000 They always had on a raised floor pen.

01:57:29.000 He'd had to raise up a few hogs. 1.00

01:57:30.000 Man, them jokers are trying to kill each other.

01:57:32.000 Mean.

01:57:33.000 You know who does it?

01:57:34.000 Dolphins.

01:57:34.000 Dolphins?

01:57:35.000 Are they brutal like that?

01:57:36.000 Dolphins.

01:57:37.000 We think of them as sweet, intelligent.

01:57:39.000 They commit infanticide all the time.

01:57:42.000 What dolphin females have to do is they have to breed with as many males as possible because when a female dolphin has babies, she has to take care of that baby for about six years. 0.96

01:57:53.000 So when the male dolphins recognize a female with babies and they don't know that female, those are not his babies, he'll kill those babies so that female dolphin will breed.

01:58:03.000 So he wants to breed her.

01:58:05.000 So she will breed with everybody possible so nobody knows who the babies are. 0.99

01:58:10.000 And so since they're intelligent, they understand that they've bred with that female before, so that could be their babies, so they don't kill them.

01:58:17.000 So basically, all the dolphins are hoes. 1.00

01:58:19.000 All hoes. 1.00

01:58:21.000 Yeah, that's how they have to be.

01:58:23.000 Otherwise, their babies get killed.

01:58:24.000 So they've adopted this polyamorous strategy to try to keep the male dolphins from killing the babies.

01:58:31.000 Well, that's amazing.

01:58:32.000 I mean, you watch the breeding season during elk, like you were talking about those elk fighting.

01:58:36.000 And ironically, they never get things confused.

01:58:40.000 Those males are looking for the females.

01:58:43.000 The females know that I'm going to breed with this dude and the strongest survive. 0.99

01:58:47.000 And a lot of people say, oh, they're really not trying to kill each other.

01:58:50.000 No, you wasn't out there.

01:58:51.000 I didn't watch this on Nat Geo.

01:58:53.000 They're trying to murder each other.

01:58:55.000 Oh, I've seen some amazing epic elk fights.

01:58:58.000 It's some of the greatest things to see in nature.

01:59:00.000 These big 800 pound animals running at each other with swords growing out of their heads.

01:59:06.000 It sounds like an old, like some kind of Scottish fight back in the 1400s.

01:59:12.000 Like a sword fight almost.

01:59:13.000 It's like cracking baseball bats together against each other.

01:59:16.000 And you hear it loud.

01:59:17.000 You're like, oh shit, they're fighting.

01:59:19.000 It gives you cold chills.

01:59:21.000 Oh, it's amazing.

01:59:22.000 It's crazy to watch the brutality of it.

01:59:24.000 And, you know, you'll find them occasionally dead.

01:59:26.000 Yeah.

01:59:27.000 Because one of them has stabbed one.

01:59:28.000 We found one.

01:59:29.000 I think I have video of it on my phone.

01:59:31.000 We were hunting him.

01:59:33.000 He had a six-inch tine sticking out of his neck.

01:59:36.000 Holy cow. 0.89

01:59:37.000 It was broken off, sticking out of his neck, and he's still running his cows and bugling.

01:59:43.000 I'm sure I have it.

01:59:45.000 We had the same similar thing in New Mexico this year.

01:59:47.000 Nick Munt, who's one of my best friends, we hunt a lot together, he shot...

01:59:51.000 A good bull.

01:59:52.000 Like, first morning, I was calling.

01:59:54.000 It was classic.

01:59:54.000 Man bull come in.

01:59:55.000 He shot it, and we were caping him out there on the side of the hill.

01:59:59.000 And all of a sudden, he said, look here, man.

02:00:00.000 He had a tine, again, about four inches, and it was broke off.

02:00:03.000 Just right, all pussed up.

02:00:05.000 Yeah, nasty.

02:00:05.000 And this dude still come in.

02:00:07.000 Yeah, I'm going to send Jamie this picture, or the video, because it's so crazy.

02:00:13.000 It's so cool, though, to see that and experience it.

02:00:16.000 And I think it's sad that most people don't know.

02:00:20.000 And there's a lot of very smart people that, in some cases, they think it might be a little beneath them to understand what maybe hunting is truly about, other than maybe what they see on a Walt Disney movie.

02:00:31.000 And I think that is definitely...

02:00:35.000 It kind of fueled me to be able to help educate and talk about those things.

02:00:38.000 And I know Ranella has done an amazing job of introducing that, too.

02:00:41.000 And there's a lot of great ambassadors that we've got right now doing that.

02:00:44.000 Yeah, it's a great time to be educated about this, and it's a great time.

02:00:49.000 And there's a lot of people that have gotten really interested in hunting from those kind of conversations with Rinella and with Cam and yourself.

02:00:56.000 How did you eventually get started doing it?

02:00:59.000 Because that's every young guy's dream that is ever hunted.

02:01:03.000 Like, oh my god, imagine making a living doing that.

02:01:06.000 That's what I would love to do.

02:01:08.000 How did you pull that off?

02:01:11.000 One of the coolest stories, actually, and only in America.

02:01:15.000 You don't hear this story in Turkmenistan.

02:01:18.000 I grew up, obviously, like I said, rural.

02:01:21.000 I loved to hunt and fish.

02:01:23.000 Very simple.

02:01:23.000 My dad was a contractor.

02:01:25.000 So I really thought that I wanted to maybe work with my dad or do what he did, hands-on labor.

02:01:31.000 I knew I didn't want to be in office.

02:01:32.000 Anyway...

02:01:33.000 I'll try to keep it short, but basically what I end up doing is just enthralled.

02:01:36.000 My mom passed away when I was young, 16, and so my dad and I become more like brothers.

02:01:41.000 And my dad, he had a ninth grade education, the hardest working man I've ever been around.

02:01:46.000 And so anyway, we loved hunting fish and it became therapeutic.

02:01:50.000 And so I got into Turkey Calling and had won some contests and met some of my Turkey Calling heroes, and that's where I met Bill Jordan and David Blanton.

02:01:59.000 And I started guiding when I was probably 19. And then one thing led to another.

02:02:04.000 I started working full-time there at Realtree.

02:02:08.000 As a guide, as a camera guy, they had that show on TNN, and so I was just literally camera jockeying it from skinning deer, guiding turkey hunters, and it was David Blanton who said, man, you know, there's a lot more you could do.

02:02:21.000 And so I kind of, by default, Joe, how I got lucky, too, was when I hooked up with those guys, David Blanton and Bill, I got to do some of the turkey calling tips because I had won some contests.

02:02:31.000 And so even back on TNN, I was this young kid, and they were like, hey, we need up.

02:02:35.000 We need a tip.

02:02:36.000 You know, the TNN tip of the week, you know, brought to you by Fieldline Packs.

02:02:40.000 You know, something like, you know, hey man, I'm Michael Wattie.

02:02:42.000 I want to talk to you about yelping at turkeys.

02:02:44.000 I ain't know nothing about TV. So it was never top of mind.

02:02:47.000 Like one day, I'll be hunting on TV. I was just thinking, man, I love this enough that maybe I can work for this company.

02:02:54.000 And I remember they paid me $100 a day to go guide somebody turkey hunting.

02:02:57.000 And I told my dad, man, I'm about to get rich.

02:03:01.000 $100.

02:03:02.000 And listen to this.

02:03:03.000 They'll pay you this thing called mileage.

02:03:05.000 I had an old beat-up Toyota truck, four-cylinder.

02:03:09.000 I said, Dad, them suckers will pay me a mileage. 0.97

02:03:12.000 I forgot what it is, but heck, if I drive an hour, I make money.

02:03:15.000 You know, they pay you.

02:03:16.000 And then if you stop at a convenience store, you keep your receipt, and they'll pay for your snacks, everything.

02:03:21.000 I couldn't believe that, because I grew up with my dad working, you know.

02:03:25.000 Like, oh, Timmy just fell off the roof.

02:03:27.000 Like, well, let's call his wife.

02:03:29.000 Tell him to come get him.

02:03:30.000 And then my dad would be like, you alright?

02:03:32.000 And I'd be like, oh, I think I broke my leg.

02:03:33.000 Hell, you know, it's like, oh, dang, well, you're probably going to be here tomorrow, are you?

02:03:36.000 Like, you know, I doubt it.

02:03:38.000 I mean, it was just rough, almost cowboy shit, you know?

02:03:41.000 And so I couldn't believe this, you know?

02:03:44.000 And so one thing led to another, and that was in the early 90s, right out of high school.

02:03:49.000 And I'm 51 now, and that was in the early 90s.

02:03:52.000 And in 1994 and 5, everything started heating up.

02:03:55.000 And in 96...

02:03:57.000 David Blanton offered me a full-time job to work in production slash guide.

02:04:01.000 That had to be so surreal to be able to make a living doing this thing that you love when no one even thought it was a job when you were a kid.

02:04:08.000 Yeah.

02:04:09.000 It was not a thing you aspired to.

02:04:10.000 No.

02:04:11.000 And my family took it hard.

02:04:13.000 My grandmom and my uncles were like, I might as well just got on crack and been on the street.

02:04:18.000 They're like...

02:04:20.000 I'd went to heating and air school and got a degree and worked a year with Barringer's Heat and Cooling out of Zeblin, Georgia.

02:04:27.000 And I had me a truck, had my name on it, you know, Michael, you know, and had me my refrigeration tools and every Christmas my dad, oh boy, I got you another flaring kit.

02:04:36.000 I mean, just blue collar culture.

02:04:39.000 And all of a sudden, you know, I'm coming in telling the family like, hey, uh, I don't know if I'm going to keep doing the heat and air deal.

02:04:45.000 You know, like, what?

02:04:47.000 Like, you got a truck, son.

02:04:48.000 You got your own uniform.

02:04:50.000 You know, you got benefits.

02:04:52.000 I'm like, yeah, but there's this camouflage company wanting me to take Dale Earnhardt turkey hunting.

02:04:59.000 And my dad was the only one that got it.

02:05:01.000 Everybody else was like, it was an intervention.

02:05:03.000 Like, I'd go to Christmas and be like, hey, nephew, let me pull you aside.

02:05:07.000 Now, you know you can't make a living at this hunting and fishing thing, you know.

02:05:10.000 Like, well, I don't know, but I'm young and...

02:05:14.000 Man, this would be really cool.

02:05:16.000 I love this more than anything.

02:05:17.000 But it was kind of that whole situation of...

02:05:19.000 It wasn't a job before.

02:05:20.000 It wasn't a job.

02:05:22.000 And I was trusting them, but I was sitting there thinking, like, I'm pretty sure Bill Jordan's rich.

02:05:28.000 I mean, I saw him with a Mercedes.

02:05:30.000 He had a Mercedes-Benz.

02:05:33.000 Matter of fact, there's a real funny story about that Mercedes-Benz.

02:05:37.000 But I... I couldn't believe it, and so my grandma was like, son, when you get tired of this, just go have fun with it, but come back to it.

02:05:43.000 Almost no different than if you're a young kid, like, I'm going to Nashville, I want to play a guitar and sing.

02:05:48.000 Maybe I can be the next Luke Bryan.

02:05:50.000 And somebody in the family was like, oh, when it gets right, he'll come back, jump in the family business, start putting these shingles on the roof.

02:05:56.000 He'll get back into sheetrock and just give him a chance.

02:05:59.000 Hell, he was one of the best concrete guys I knew.

02:06:01.000 That kid would work, he could run a bull float like some bitch. 1.00

02:06:04.000 That was me.

02:06:07.000 And all of a sudden, they offered me a full-time job.

02:06:09.000 It wasn't a lot of money.

02:06:10.000 And I remember going back and saying, you know, hey, they got all these things.

02:06:14.000 401K. They got benefits.

02:06:16.000 I got eye and dental.

02:06:17.000 And I get to go on all these epic trips.

02:06:20.000 And I met amazing people.

02:06:22.000 Hunting with people that I was just shell-shocked.

02:06:24.000 I remember I met Leonard Skinner Band in a NASCAR suite one time.

02:06:28.000 The maddest I ever got at Bill Jordan.

02:06:30.000 Maddest I ever got.

02:06:32.000 Of course, you know...

02:06:34.000 Ronnie had passed on and half the members, but it was Johnny Van Zant and it was Rossington.

02:06:41.000 And I'm sitting there, a redneck kid in Atlanta Motor Speedway, like I can't believe it.

02:06:45.000 There's Mark Martin's wife.

02:06:46.000 I'm like, man, I have made it.

02:06:47.000 I'm over with chicken fingers.

02:06:50.000 All of a sudden I look, the door opens and there was just people in there.

02:06:54.000 It's the Leonard Skinner band.

02:06:55.000 It looked just like what I pictured.

02:06:57.000 And I'm like...

02:06:59.000 Oh my God, you know, I'm freaking out.

02:07:00.000 And Bill said, hey, ain't they our band?

02:07:03.000 I said, that's not only a band, that's Leonard Skinner.

02:07:07.000 And Bill Jordan said, what are they saying?

02:07:10.000 I said, I swear to God, I ain't never hit my balls, but I'm about to knock you out.

02:07:16.000 Are you kidding me?

02:07:18.000 And I'll never forget, I went over there.

02:07:21.000 And I was just, you know, I got a chance to meet them.

02:07:24.000 But so many people I met and I couldn't believe it.

02:07:27.000 And one thing led to another.

02:07:29.000 And really what the biggest break I had was David Blanton, who was like a big brother.

02:07:34.000 I mean, like a like a father.

02:07:36.000 And he was just such a good guy, good Christian guy, good hunter.

02:07:40.000 Outdoor Channel was just coming on.

02:07:42.000 Outdoor Channel was really kind of coming on.

02:07:45.000 But at the time, you know, the kind of beat your chest kind of pride was the fact that you could be on ESPN and our TNN.

02:07:52.000 And then TNN had been through a situation where I think it was Viacom had some big merger that was part of the MTV thing.

02:07:59.000 And so they quickly, through their kind of culturally said, hey, we need to kind of do away with this hunting thing.

02:08:05.000 These guys are killing stuff.

02:08:06.000 And it become the Nashville, it was the Nashville Network, then it becomes the National Network, then it becomes Spike TV. And so everything moved over, all the...

02:08:15.000 The big Sunday night block move over to ESPN, but you couldn't show impact.

02:08:20.000 Well, about that time, they started the Outdoor Channel on cable TV. They were looking for distribution.

02:08:26.000 And so it was David Blanton.

02:08:27.000 He said, Michael, we need to come up with a cool hook and we need to create a show over on Outdoor Channel.

02:08:34.000 Getting back to meeting these people, and what I found that was fascinating, and it's just the same with these conversations you have, these people that you just look up to.

02:08:42.000 Yeah, you meet some people that are interesting and weird, but for the most part, you're like, wow, these guys are super cool, super talented.

02:08:48.000 And that's what I was finding when I would run into a country singer. 0.68

02:08:51.000 I remember Mark Chestnut sitting around and Drinking whiskey and him playing the guitar and singing Hank Williams Jr.'s song, running into Bo Cephas, running into, you know, to Leonard Skinner and all those guys.

02:09:01.000 I'm like, man, these guys are so down-to-earth and cool.

02:09:03.000 And I realized that there was more to this hunting than just this staunch, you know, here we go with the Encinitas Ranch.

02:09:10.000 Today, we're hunting the mesquite flats of Encino, you know.

02:09:13.000 Right, right.

02:09:14.000 With the coyotes abundant, there's a big buck around the corner.

02:09:17.000 The narrator.

02:09:18.000 Yeah, and it was just like...

02:09:19.000 At the time, it was classic.

02:09:21.000 It was so sanitized.

02:09:22.000 Everybody was starched.

02:09:24.000 You go to a hunting show, everybody had on khakis.

02:09:26.000 I mean, it's almost like it was a facade.

02:09:28.000 And I remember telling David Blanton, I said, I think what we're missing is the culture and the fun.

02:09:34.000 And everybody was very serious.

02:09:37.000 And you should be serious if you're going to go take a bow and arrow or rifle and take the life of a wild animal.

02:09:43.000 But the camp life was so amazing, and we'd have different personalities, different NFL athletes.

02:09:48.000 We would have comedians, people like Jeff Foxworthy.

02:09:50.000 And I was just so pleased that these people that I adored and was big fans of was people that you could sit around and have a glass of sweet tea or a cold beer and just laugh.

02:10:01.000 And they were as real, possibly more entertaining in person, kind of like your talk about Theo.

02:10:06.000 People ask, he's really funny.

02:10:07.000 Well, you should have...

02:10:08.000 Should have been with us at this UFC fight.

02:10:10.000 We couldn't even watch the fight.

02:10:11.000 The guy's cracking us up.

02:10:12.000 And so I told David, I said, I think most of these people, if we could do a show kind of documenting just the camp life and the reality of how much fun you have, I think we could sell that fun.

02:10:22.000 And so David said, do it.

02:10:24.000 He said, matter of fact, you host it.

02:10:26.000 I'm like, no, no, no, I'm not coming in here to pitch you for me to host a show.

02:10:32.000 Behind the scenes, I'll guide, I'll run camera, I'll help edit, produce.

02:10:35.000 He'd sent me to Maine to this International Film and Art School to learn how to edit on non-linear, the first Avid.

02:10:41.000 Oh, wow.

02:10:41.000 I'm up there like, dude, I'm big.

02:10:43.000 I mean, I got my business card.

02:10:44.000 Like, yeah, I work for Realtree.

02:10:46.000 You know, on TNN, you know, I'm over there.

02:10:49.000 And I found out that was where it really hit me that a lot of people didn't like hunting.

02:10:52.000 Like, oh my God, you kill animals?

02:10:54.000 And I had all these beta tapes.

02:10:55.000 And I remember I had Dale Earnhardt killing a deer on there.

02:10:58.000 And I told the instructor, I said, I need to learn how to put this in the computer and build a hunt out of it.

02:11:03.000 Because everything was A-B roll editing.

02:11:04.000 And I knew how to do that pretty good.

02:11:06.000 I said, but I need to learn how to do it on this nonlinear.

02:11:08.000 He said, oh my God, we never, we struggle to get footage.

02:11:10.000 Y'all got these $80,000 cameras.

02:11:12.000 Because Bill was one of the first people to buy these really high dollar cameras.

02:11:15.000 Beta cameras that we was out videoing with and putting them in the wild.

02:11:20.000 And so, anyway, as I showed the footage, he said, man, can we use this and let the class use this footage as a project to build storylines?

02:11:28.000 Because I had the cutaways.

02:11:30.000 You know, back then, you'd You'd shoot the animal, you'd video that, then you'd go back, okay, push your safety off.

02:11:36.000 Now?

02:11:37.000 You'd pretend.

02:11:38.000 You'd pretend.

02:11:38.000 So it was like a reenactment.

02:11:39.000 Now let's go back and build a pre-hunt, you know, and it'd be like Dale Earnhardt walking through the forest with his gargoyles on or however, and he's camouflaged like, yeah, we're going down here to a ridge flat, a lot of acorns up there.

02:11:50.000 Well, the deer has been dead a long time ago, obviously, by the time we shot that.

02:11:54.000 Right.

02:11:54.000 So he loved that, the instructor, because it gave us a chance to put the storyline.

02:11:58.000 And I thought, man, I'm going to be the hero.

02:12:00.000 You know, all these little girls up here in Maine, and I ain't never seen a lot of people with purple hair and stuff, and I could tell it was kind of that cool hippie trend, and it was artsy.

02:12:09.000 But in my mind, I'm like, I'm just having a good time.

02:12:11.000 And anyway, dude, immediately, Joe, it became a protest.

02:12:15.000 There was two or three people stood up in the class.

02:12:17.000 Like, we're not using this.

02:12:18.000 We cannot.

02:12:19.000 We will walk out.

02:12:20.000 These animals are getting dead.

02:12:21.000 If you can prove these animals...

02:12:23.000 We're not harmed.

02:12:24.000 And I'm like, no, they're all dead.

02:12:27.000 I mean, they're dead.

02:12:29.000 And finally, I had a little bit of a meltdown because that was one of the first times that it really hit me where I had a mass of people saying, you know, almost felt like the Antichrist because I'm the guy killing deer.

02:12:39.000 And I thought it was going to be the opposite.

02:12:41.000 I was ready to name drop.

02:12:42.000 Like, look, I got Dale Earnhardt.

02:12:44.000 I videoed my shoe today.

02:12:45.000 I was ready to name drop.

02:12:46.000 You just had never experienced anti-hunting.

02:12:49.000 Never.

02:12:49.000 And so I learned that.

02:12:51.000 And then one thing led to another.

02:12:53.000 I remember I went to the instructor.

02:12:53.000 I said, man, look, I'm a little bit bothered.

02:12:56.000 You know, it is what it is.

02:12:58.000 But even if you have to teach me out to class, I need to learn how to do this.

02:13:01.000 I'm a student, but I come up here.

02:13:03.000 My employer sent me up here.

02:13:04.000 I've got to learn how to do this.

02:13:06.000 So I came back pretty efficient as a nonlinear editor.

02:13:11.000 All of it didn't have any desire to know that that's what I wanted to do, but I was just wanting to, you know, sweep the warehouse.

02:13:17.000 You want me to edit?

02:13:18.000 You want me to take somebody hunting?

02:13:19.000 You need me to put up a fence?

02:13:21.000 Skin a buck?

02:13:22.000 You know, whatever.

02:13:23.000 And then when David gave me that opportunity to do Realtree Road Trips back in the day, it was in 2003 it aired.

02:13:30.000 We shot it in 2002. That's when everything for me, because it was all about personality, it was all about having fun, and that's kind of, we kind of come up with the tagline, this is a different kind of hunting show.

02:13:40.000 Well, you were the first guy to bring fun and personality to hunting television.

02:13:45.000 Oh, we tried so hard.

02:13:46.000 You were the first guy.

02:13:47.000 It looked like you were having a good time with your friends.

02:13:50.000 It wasn't this stuffy presentation of hunting, like, here he goes in the wild of Montana.

02:13:58.000 He won't go far.

02:13:59.000 Where grizzly bears abound.

02:14:01.000 Yeah.

02:14:02.000 Hunting for the elusive mule deer.

02:14:04.000 Exactly.

02:14:05.000 The Bollarius Whitetail uses secondary scrapes as he approaches his staging area. 0.56

02:14:11.000 Exactly.

02:14:11.000 You were having a good time.

02:14:13.000 You were laughing and cutting up, and I think that's what made you famous in that world.

02:14:17.000 It's like you were representative of what people really liked.

02:14:21.000 It's just someone having a good time and enjoying themselves, which is really what a lot of the hunting is.

02:14:26.000 It's a lot of bonding and camaraderie.

02:14:28.000 The camp time is almost as fun as the hunting time.

02:14:32.000 And you're all just sort of winding down at the end of the day, having a good time together, relaxing, telling stories and laughing.

02:14:39.000 It was.

02:14:40.000 And even to this day, it's kind of still where we kind of settle in.

02:14:45.000 And it's like...

02:14:47.000 You know, honestly, I'm not really trying to out-hunt anybody, but we'll try to out-fund everybody.

02:14:52.000 And so if you come to camp, you know, and this is myself, big old T-bone, you know, he lost his leg, so he's not hunting with us as much.

02:14:58.000 He can't get around to cancer.

02:15:01.000 He lost his leg.

02:15:02.000 But Nick and I, I mean, we're going to have a good time.

02:15:05.000 And if you desire to get serious, which we do encourage, hey, it's time to buckle down.

02:15:09.000 There's a time for fun.

02:15:11.000 There's a time to hone it in.

02:15:12.000 But we just try our best to make it fun.

02:15:15.000 And I've learned that...

02:15:17.000 If you do that and you can make friends, that's the biggest form of the trophy you'll ever get.

02:15:22.000 Yes, that's a trophy, but the stories you got with sitting with Rinella and the people around the camp and that experience, you meet people from all over the country, in our case the world, and the next thing you know it's like even more special.

02:15:35.000 And so I know people, I say it a lot, I know people that's got some amazing trophy rooms.

02:15:40.000 But they're lonely, they dusty, and they really ain't made a lot of friends because they were so beating their chest to kill the next biggest thing that they forgot that the trophy is relationships and the adventure.

02:15:52.000 And yes, inevitably, this deer that's hanging on the wall that your family has enjoyed over a period of sometimes a year.

02:16:00.000 Sometimes it'll take you a year or two to eat elk, a full elk.

02:16:03.000 It's a lot of meat, but...

02:16:04.000 I don't know, man.

02:16:05.000 It's just an amazing journey.

02:16:07.000 I never felt like I was that talented, other than the fact I just had a lot of good work ethic my dad put in me, and I really had a passion for it.

02:16:19.000 And I didn't have really any weird opposition pulling me away from it.

02:16:23.000 It pulled me toward it.

02:16:24.000 But growing up so rural and blue-collar, I had to prove to my family that there was a livelihood here because they literally looked at it like...

02:16:32.000 We need to get that boy drug tested.

02:16:34.000 I don't know.

02:16:36.000 Listen to this.

02:16:37.000 He thinks he's going to video deer hunts.

02:16:40.000 That's what he thinks.

02:16:41.000 And he's going to skin a few.

02:16:43.000 He's going to take a few celebrities hunting.

02:16:45.000 And he's going to get free camo.

02:16:47.000 But you can't eat that camo.

02:16:49.000 And I ain't going to buy the Salisbury steak.

02:16:51.000 How are you going to go to Bonanza?

02:16:52.000 Well, it's interesting because...

02:16:54.000 Fun and personality and camaraderie are infectious.

02:16:59.000 It's like people, they're drawn to it.

02:17:01.000 But it's not something you can manufacture.

02:17:04.000 You either have a great personality or you don't.

02:17:07.000 But having a great personality is very marketable.

02:17:10.000 So it's kind of a weird sort of catch.

02:17:12.000 Like you can't pretend you're that person because people won't buy it.

02:17:16.000 You have to actually...

02:17:17.000 The reason why I work with you is because this is who you really are.

02:17:21.000 That's you.

02:17:22.000 Right.

02:17:22.000 And so you didn't even know you had this thing that was marketable.

02:17:28.000 It was just you being a person.

02:17:28.000 No.

02:17:30.000 It's a great point, because to this day, I'll go to, and aside, because I'm now, you know, I know you love classic cars, and I hear about the things you talk about, and obviously I'm a big fan of the podcast.

02:17:43.000 And so one thing that draws me in is the fact that culturally we're into the same things.

02:17:46.000 You know, Rubik's Cubes and 80s, and I always, my favorite car was a 70 Supersport, you know, Chevelle.

02:17:53.000 I have one of those.

02:17:54.000 Dude, I... Black with white stripes.

02:17:56.000 Oh my God.

02:17:57.000 I love it.

02:17:58.000 The same one like on John Wick, basically.

02:18:00.000 Yes, exactly.

02:18:00.000 That's a 70. Yeah.

02:18:01.000 So anyway, I was just so amazed by...

02:18:06.000 I don't know.

02:18:08.000 It's just all of it.

02:18:09.000 And even now when I meet people, that's the first thing they'll say after we hang out.

02:18:14.000 And I just had it up at Cactus Jack with Cameron.

02:18:17.000 I had two or three of the guys.

02:18:18.000 And these are older guys.

02:18:18.000 Like, hey, man.

02:18:19.000 Like, appreciate you, Waddell.

02:18:21.000 Man, you're just like I thought you'd be.

02:18:23.000 And it kind of takes me back.

02:18:24.000 It's not offensive, but I'm like...

02:18:26.000 What was I supposed to be?

02:18:27.000 And I guess I realize, and Cameron and I have talked a lot about that, about, like, it's odd that there is a thing that is fake, that people can't be transparent, that people can't just talk their feelings.

02:18:38.000 And everything we say don't mean our assessment is always correct, but at least it is something to be heard and told.

02:18:44.000 And then the more you talk, I think that's what reshaped the politics this year.

02:18:48.000 When you look at Trump coming on, J.D., Harris passed.

02:18:53.000 Well, it proves like, well, did you really have something to say?

02:18:56.000 And could it be valid?

02:18:57.000 And could you be real?

02:18:59.000 And everybody, I think, appreciates real, even if they don't like the person that they see necessarily as real.

02:19:06.000 And now everything's in question.

02:19:08.000 It's like, you know, it's like these rappers, are they really as tough as they say?

02:19:12.000 Was Diddy gay?

02:19:12.000 Right.

02:19:14.000 I thought this dude...

02:19:15.000 I thought he had done shot more stuff than I have, you know?

02:19:18.000 And it's like, you know, I don't know.

02:19:20.000 It's just like it's...

02:19:20.000 I don't know.

02:19:21.000 Yeah, well, when people ask me all the time, like, oh, you met Jelly Roll, what's he like?

02:19:26.000 He's exactly like you hope you like.

02:19:29.000 That's right.

02:19:30.000 That's why he's popular.

02:19:32.000 That's a genuine, real human being.

02:19:34.000 Like Luke Bryan.

02:19:35.000 Just like you like.

02:19:36.000 Funny, goofy, good, cool cat.

02:19:38.000 Yeah.

02:19:38.000 Luke Combs, same thing.

02:19:40.000 That's exactly who he is.

02:19:41.000 And that's what people are worried about, someone not being like that.

02:19:45.000 Like you see someone who's real fun on TV and they're real friendly and then you meet them in real life like, oh, that guy's an asshole.

02:19:50.000 He's meeting the waitresses and...

02:19:52.000 You know, he's shitty to the fucking, the valet driver.

02:19:55.000 You know, it's, you want people to be what you hope them to be, but oftentimes you're prepared for them to not be that.

02:20:02.000 Yeah, you represent that too, Joe.

02:20:04.000 It's like, you know, I remember going to Utah and hunting, and I was like, hey man.

02:20:09.000 You know, this was before I ever knew I'd get a chance to meet you and talk with you.

02:20:12.000 And I said, how's Joe?

02:20:14.000 And then the first thing I asked Cameron, I was like, dude, he's unbelievable.

02:20:16.000 So you meet and you are that person.

02:20:18.000 And a question for you, I've often wondered, do you think that's starting to affect Hollywood a little bit to where now, if you look at the most successful people, it is the realest people.

02:20:27.000 You know, people might not even like, say, a Donald Trump, but people are gravitated because they think, hey, man, this is him.

02:20:33.000 Yeah.

02:20:33.000 This is real.

02:20:34.000 I think the best thing for people in Hollywood that are entrenched in that world is to shut the fuck up.

02:20:39.000 Because as soon as they start talking, as soon as Robert De Niro starts talking, I'm like, Jesus, get that fucking microphone away from him so I can enjoy Taxi Driver.

02:20:49.000 Yeah, it's heartbreaking.

02:20:50.000 It's heartbreaking.

02:20:51.000 Yeah, I don't want to hear—I love De Niro.

02:20:53.000 I love those mob movies.

02:20:55.000 It's like— I don't want to hear him that he's a moron.

02:20:56.000 I don't want to hear him talking about politics and about Trump supporters and just shut the fuck up, man.

02:21:02.000 Yeah.

02:21:03.000 Like, you didn't think this through.

02:21:04.000 Like, this is—and he's getting yelled at.

02:21:06.000 He's doing an outside press conference like, Robert, you're 80 years old.

02:21:09.000 Don't ruin this thing.

02:21:11.000 You've had this life where you were a fucking raging bull.

02:21:14.000 You were in The Godfather.

02:21:16.000 Stop! 1.00

02:21:17.000 Stop! 1.00

02:21:17.000 Stop doing this! 1.00

02:21:19.000 Don't do this!

02:21:20.000 I'm terrified to meet some of those people I looked up to now.

02:21:23.000 You should be.

02:21:24.000 I've met a few of them.

02:21:25.000 It's actors in particular because their whole business is pretend.

02:21:31.000 Their whole business is pretend.

02:21:33.000 One of the things about guys like Theo or comedians, you run into comedians, their business is the opposite of pretend.

02:21:39.000 It's real.

02:21:40.000 Their business is just being a real person talking shit.

02:21:43.000 Yeah.

02:21:44.000 They're professional shit talkers.

02:21:45.000 Yeah.

02:21:46.000 You know, having fun, being silly, talking shit about things.

02:21:49.000 And...

02:21:50.000 Actors are not that.

02:21:52.000 They're weird people, man.

02:21:53.000 And the one thing that's harming them in Hollywood is that they get exposed for being who they really are.

02:21:59.000 And a lot of these people that pretend to be all, you know, clean cut and find out they're into freaky shit and, you know, it's like...

02:22:08.000 And it's easier to expose stuff now because social media, I'm sure, like back in the day, I can only imagine the parties at Waylon Jennings and Merle Haggard.

02:22:16.000 Some of these pictures on the wall in here, can you imagine some of the stuff?

02:22:19.000 They didn't have to worry about nobody.

02:22:21.000 Rock stars.

02:22:23.000 Leonard Skinner.

02:22:24.000 Led Zeppelin.

02:22:24.000 Can you imagine?

02:22:25.000 All those people.

02:22:26.000 Hendrix.

02:22:26.000 The parties.

02:22:27.000 Oh, yeah.

02:22:27.000 Jim Morrison.

02:22:28.000 Crazy.

02:22:29.000 Oh, God.

02:22:29.000 Craziness and no accountability.

02:22:31.000 Nothing.

02:22:32.000 And all they got to do is like, I was not there.

02:22:34.000 Prove it.

02:22:35.000 And now, you can't go on an elk cut and everybody knows you're there.

02:22:39.000 Well, everybody's got a fucking camera in their pocket.

02:22:41.000 Everybody.

02:22:42.000 Everything is being filmed.

02:22:43.000 And so many people get exposed for who they really are.

02:22:46.000 It's weird.

02:22:47.000 But it's also probably good for humanity.

02:22:50.000 It's good for – one of the things that I think is the rise of podcasts is people get to see real people having real conversations.

02:22:57.000 Some people can do it, and some people can't.

02:22:59.000 And I think the Harris thing was they were worried that she couldn't.

02:23:02.000 I think they made a good assessment that she couldn't.

02:23:06.000 I don't know, man.

02:23:07.000 I mean, I've seen her have fun with people.

02:23:09.000 There's this one very funny conversation where she's talking about meeting her in-laws for the first time, where her mother-in-law grabs her face, and it's really funny.

02:23:18.000 It's funny listening to her saying she's laughing hard, but a real laugh this time.

02:23:22.000 Maybe she could now, though.

02:23:24.000 Maybe if there is a machine.

02:23:26.000 Because you know what?

02:23:27.000 It's fair to say, even on Harris, I'll say this, or Kamala Kamala.

02:23:33.000 And that's what's amazing to me.

02:23:34.000 I didn't think she had a chance to win because I didn't even know.

02:23:36.000 I still don't know what her name is.

02:23:38.000 I mean, so I don't know.

02:23:39.000 What the hell?

02:23:39.000 Is it Kamala Kamala?

02:23:41.000 I think it's Kamala.

02:23:42.000 It's Kamala.

02:23:42.000 Well, it's like, well, I'm probably going to screw it up.

02:23:45.000 It's like, you know, and then CNN's going to be like, yeah, you're...

02:23:49.000 Rogan didn't even call her name right.

02:23:50.000 But at the end of the day, maybe now that she's out of that whole situation, because you see, and I think the world's changing, where record producers and stuff are controlling music, and if you're going to get on a radio station, everybody walks a tightrope.

02:24:06.000 You're working for this machine.

02:24:08.000 Hollywood, I'm sure, the same way.

02:24:09.000 You've got people that, I can't...

02:24:11.000 I remember Ted Nugent tells a story.

02:24:14.000 Was it Kurt Russell?

02:24:15.000 One of his best friends was Kurt Russell.

02:24:17.000 And Kurt likes to hunt.

02:24:20.000 And this was Ted just telling me in a hunting camp.

02:24:22.000 And I asked him, I said, man, how is Kurt?

02:24:25.000 I love his movies too.

02:24:26.000 I'm a big fan.

02:24:26.000 He said, dude, Kurt is amazing.

02:24:28.000 He said, but he had to...

02:24:29.000 To a degree, during that time frame, bow to that machine because he couldn't do these things.

02:24:34.000 So I think now it's like you don't know what's real because you don't know if they are trying to do this for a career or if they can be real.

02:24:41.000 And then at times, okay, I believe De Niro, in his case, is finally his true colors and finally like I'm enough to where I can be real.

02:24:49.000 But the real you do see in him, I'm like, go back to being fake.

02:24:53.000 Just come back to me and think, I don't want to see this asshole you really are.

02:24:56.000 I know.

02:24:56.000 I don't want to hear someone lecturing me that I just, oh, it's so sad.

02:25:01.000 It's sad.

02:25:02.000 It's crazy.

02:25:02.000 But I think real conversation, like celebrities were always people that were on a pedestal and you didn't think of them as real people.

02:25:11.000 You know, you never got to see John Wayne having long form conversations where he explains his position on this or that.

02:25:19.000 You just never saw any of that.

02:25:21.000 And I think more of that is being exposed now, and I think it's probably good for all of us to not have these ridiculous perceptions of these people and think of them as being larger-than-life characters.

02:25:32.000 They're just humans.

02:25:33.000 They're just regular people.

02:25:34.000 They're all just human beings, and some of these regular human beings are really fucking good at playing bad guys.

02:25:39.000 But you meet them in real life, and they're real super sweet.

02:25:41.000 They're really nice people.

02:25:43.000 They're just good at their job.

02:25:44.000 Their job is pretending to be an asshole.

02:25:46.000 That's right.

02:25:47.000 You know, and it's what we...

02:25:50.000 The more conversations we have, the more conversations that we have access to, the more we get to see the patterns of how human beings think and behave, and the more we get to see what we like.

02:26:01.000 And generally, what we like is nice people being real.

02:26:05.000 Totally agree.

02:26:06.000 That's what people like.

02:26:07.000 And that perspective, you shine, you know, obviously you got a lot of respect for Mike Tyson.

02:26:11.000 I think he's the baddest boxer, toughest.

02:26:14.000 I mean, I idolized him as a boxer.

02:26:16.000 I didn't know much about him as a man or what he was going through at the time.

02:26:20.000 But like when it come time to watch a boxing bout, Tyson's on the card.

02:26:24.000 There was no one like him.

02:26:25.000 But what a sweetheart of a man.

02:26:28.000 I listened to it and just the things he says.

02:26:30.000 He's so sweet.

02:26:32.000 You know, he says things that you don't even know if he's funny.

02:26:35.000 Like he was talking about, you know, Joe, you know, you ever get erect when you fight?

02:26:39.000 You know, and they'll think, I think you giggled.

02:26:41.000 And he's like, no, I'm serious.

02:26:42.000 You know, and I'm like, whoa!

02:26:45.000 You know, all I'm sitting here thinking is like, I feel you, Tyson.

02:26:51.000 I was hunting elk in, you know, New Mexico and bull come bugling and...

02:26:55.000 I was kind of getting like $5 worth of jawbreakers.

02:26:58.000 It was getting there because I was getting excited about this adrenaline of this elk.

02:27:01.000 So, okay, you're doing it fighting.

02:27:02.000 But in my mind, I thought it was kind of a joke, too.

02:27:05.000 But he's such a sweet, deep thinker.

02:27:08.000 He's a sweet guy, but there's a monster in there.

02:27:10.000 Dude!

02:27:11.000 And he can hit that switch.

02:27:12.000 He's scary.

02:27:13.000 Still scary.

02:27:14.000 He scared the shit out of me.

02:27:15.000 Meeting him the first time, like, I think Kevin Hart was the first one to say it.

02:27:19.000 He said it's like you're in the room with a lion.

02:27:22.000 It's like, you're like, okay.

02:27:24.000 Is the lion cool?

02:27:25.000 He's not going to kill me?

02:27:26.000 Okay.

02:27:27.000 You know, it's like, Jesus.

02:27:28.000 But there's certain people that I meet that, like, you know, I meet him and I'm like, I can't believe I'm in the room with Quentin Tarantino.

02:27:35.000 Like, that is bizarre.

02:27:36.000 There's a few of those people that you meet him.

02:27:39.000 You know, Trump's one of those people.

02:27:40.000 You know, like, yeah, he's right there.

02:27:41.000 A presence that's undeniable.

02:27:44.000 That guy, unlike anybody else, can be himself.

02:27:48.000 Yes.

02:27:49.000 That guy can be himself no matter what.

02:27:50.000 He can be himself at press conferences.

02:27:52.000 He can be himself on a podcast.

02:27:54.000 That's a huge strength that he can be himself.

02:27:57.000 You either like who he is or you dislike who he is, but you have to respect that guy can be himself.

02:28:02.000 He is.

02:28:02.000 And guess what?

02:28:03.000 The more you talk about somebody like Donald Trump, like him or love him, he has pretty much, as now, you know, the second time he's going to be president, he is accessible to the people in a weird way, meaning...

02:28:16.000 I had a chance to even meet Trump.

02:28:18.000 Talking about the hunting industry, he came to Las Vegas.

02:28:21.000 We used to have this thing called the Golden Moose Awards.

02:28:23.000 And I knew Donald Jr. He was a big hunter.

02:28:25.000 And anyway, the word got out that, hey, Trump, this is prior to the election, the 16th election.

02:28:32.000 He came to Las Vegas to say, hey, man, there's 13 to 15 million hunters out there.

02:28:37.000 I need to see where they see what the situation is here.

02:28:40.000 I think they're good people.

02:28:41.000 And I hear this from my sons, Eric and Donald.

02:28:43.000 So he comes there and I had a chance to meet him.

02:28:46.000 And same thing.

02:28:47.000 It was like, wow, this is before he's president.

02:28:49.000 He's still Donald Trump.

02:28:50.000 And I remember I didn't know much if I could, you know, in my mind.

02:28:54.000 Is this the guy I'm going to vote for?

02:28:56.000 He was still in the primaries.

02:28:58.000 But I remember the first thing he said to me, he said, his Donald Jr. introduced me to him, said, Dad, you know, this is Michael Waddell.

02:29:05.000 He works in the hunting industry, does hunting shows.

02:29:07.000 He said, man...

02:29:08.000 Immediately, so nice.

02:29:09.000 But I remember the words he said that I knew he wasn't a politician and was real.

02:29:12.000 He said, so you do a lot of hunting.

02:29:14.000 And I can't do the impression, but I said, yes, sir.

02:29:17.000 I love it.

02:29:18.000 That's all I love to do.

02:29:19.000 He said, I'm not good at it.

02:29:21.000 I don't have the patience.

02:29:22.000 My son, they're very efficient.

02:29:23.000 They're very efficient.

02:29:24.000 They're very good.

02:29:25.000 They hunt all around the world.

02:29:26.000 He said, but I got a question.

02:29:29.000 These wolves, what's the deal with the wolves?

02:29:31.000 They're killing a lot of shit.

02:29:33.000 And I said...

02:29:34.000 Mr. Trump, it really is a problem.

02:29:37.000 I got friends and ranchers out there, these wolves.

02:29:39.000 They reintroduced them.

02:29:39.000 They're spending millions of taxpayers' dollars out there.

02:29:43.000 And this is, in my mind, if I am playing this role of inferior or redneck or insecure, in my mind, I'm trying to talk humbly to kind of help him know what I know some friends out in Colorado have gone through.

02:29:57.000 Cattle to domestic problems to the elk population.

02:30:00.000 He said, well, it's simple.

02:30:01.000 If they're causing a problem, we need to do something about the wolves.

02:30:06.000 And I remember thinking, I'm voting for this dude.

02:30:09.000 I'm voting for this dude.

02:30:10.000 I don't care what he's talking about grabbing because I'd been to a few little nonprofit, you know, in Washington, D.C. with lobbyists and stuff where we're trying to get some money from a bill for the NWTF and Brood and Habitat or Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation.

02:30:23.000 And I found most of the politicians were decently fake.

02:30:27.000 Almost similar to a California, L.A. actor type.

02:30:30.000 Very similar.

02:30:30.000 Where it's like, okay, if I need to be nice to this guy, I will be.

02:30:33.000 But I need to figure out who he is and if he's got credentials and what power he has.

02:30:37.000 And so for me, here I am feeling like I'm the lowest person in this room.

02:30:42.000 All these other guys are heads of major corporations within the hunting industry.

02:30:46.000 And I'm just this guy who likes to turkey hunt.

02:30:48.000 He's got this show on the Outdoor Channel and I'm getting a chance to shake his hand.

02:30:51.000 But he's just as real with me as he is the guy who maybe is...

02:30:55.000 Maybe the richest guy in the room or possibly the most famous guy in the room.

02:30:58.000 And I found that fascinating that he was that way.

02:31:01.000 On the other hand, I'm over there talking to a senator at Washington, D.C. at a party a lobbyist put together.

02:31:07.000 And he's like, everything, like, good to meet you.

02:31:09.000 I, too, like to hunt.

02:31:10.000 And so gratifying to see the sun rise.

02:31:14.000 And I'm like...

02:31:15.000 Just a fake person.

02:31:16.000 Just completely...

02:31:17.000 Yeah, weird, right?

02:31:18.000 Yeah.

02:31:18.000 It's weird when you're around them.

02:31:20.000 Because if you're capable of talking to people fake like this, what other things are you capable of?

02:31:24.000 What are you capable of?

02:31:25.000 Yeah.

02:31:26.000 You're a strange human.

02:31:27.000 That's exactly right.

02:31:28.000 And your whole aspiration is to stay fake and to make as much money possible while being fake.

02:31:35.000 Exactly.

02:31:36.000 And the whole time, again, I never dug into politics.

02:31:38.000 I'm like, I'm talking to a guy that once I do go back and Google, he come into office, he was making, you know, he's making as a senator, I don't know what, 50 to 100 grand a year.

02:31:48.000 And now he's worth, and it's all he's ever done.

02:31:51.000 Now he's worth $10 million.

02:31:54.000 Right.

02:31:54.000 How?

02:31:55.000 Like, where'd that come from?

02:31:56.000 I don't think my grandmama would understand that either.

02:31:58.000 Nobody understands that.

02:31:59.000 It's like so transparent and it's right in front of your face.

02:32:02.000 Like the Nancy Pelosi situation.

02:32:04.000 She's never made more than $175,000 a year.

02:32:06.000 She's worth a hundred and something million dollars. 1.00

02:32:09.000 How does that happen?

02:32:10.000 It's like corruption.

02:32:12.000 Corruption.

02:32:12.000 It only happens through corruption.

02:32:13.000 And it's transparent legal corruption.

02:32:15.000 It's very strange.

02:32:17.000 And it's on both sides.

02:32:18.000 It happens everywhere.

02:32:19.000 If you look at the stock trading and the red versus blue, they're both right up there.

02:32:24.000 They all have inside information.

02:32:27.000 And they put Martha Stewart in jail for it, didn't they? 0.99

02:32:29.000 Yes!

02:32:30.000 Well, they actually put her in jail for lying. 1.00

02:32:32.000 She lied to federal investigators.

02:32:35.000 That's what they...

02:32:35.000 Ah, I gotcha.

02:32:36.000 But it was Comey.

02:32:37.000 It was the same guy who went after Trump.

02:32:40.000 It's real wild.

02:32:41.000 It's real wild when you see what it really is all about.

02:32:44.000 And there's politics on both sides.

02:32:46.000 And it's not a right or a left thing.

02:32:48.000 It's a power and corruption thing.

02:32:50.000 I feel like there is a little bit of momentum that feels like there's a little bit of a cleansing process.

02:32:55.000 It's going to take a long time, I think, to get there, but I think everything that's happening now, it feels through opportunities and outlets like this that people can talk and people can understand what's real and fiction, or at least debate.

02:33:10.000 It seems like everything from, I don't know, the political world to just everything about the truth, about whether it's hunting and fishing, The truth about the cosmos, possibly some of the stuff about ancient civilization to people and people that love Jesus Christ.

02:33:27.000 You can really dig deep and you can have good conversations and it's not just dictated by a certain machine.

02:33:33.000 I love that.

02:33:35.000 That's pretty amazing that all of us can come together and have a conversation.

02:33:39.000 Yeah, it's a good time.

02:33:42.000 It's a crazy time to be alive, but I think it's a beautiful time.

02:33:45.000 It's amazing, man.

02:33:46.000 I really do.

02:33:47.000 And only in America, baby, I swear.

02:33:49.000 Only in America.

02:33:50.000 Only in America, man.

02:33:51.000 I have more hope for this country right now after this election than I've had in a long, long time.

02:33:57.000 In a long time.

02:33:57.000 I do too.

02:33:58.000 It feels like with this crew of people, with J.D. Vance and Elon Musk and RFK Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard and Vivek Ramaswamy, I think there's a real chance that things can change, a real chance that we can expose some of the deep-seated corruption, some of the problems that we've had in this country and move us onto a better path.

02:34:17.000 And I find I still got friends that are diehard Democrats and pretty darn liberal, believe it or not, even me, that works in the hunting industry.

02:34:17.000 I do, too.

02:34:27.000 And even them, I feel a sense of almost like, ah.

02:34:29.000 I was having a conversation with a friend of mine from New York about this, and he's liberal.

02:34:34.000 But he was like, listen, everybody pretends that they're mad that Trump won, but there's a recognizable feeling of relaxation in New York.

02:34:43.000 Like, oh.

02:34:43.000 Yeah.

02:34:44.000 Some sense of logic has prevailed.

02:34:48.000 No one really believed that she was going to be a great president, and they certainly didn't believe that Tim Walsh was going to be a great vice president.

02:34:55.000 That was crazy.

02:34:56.000 That was crazy that that guy was supposed to be one heartbeat away from the fucking president.

02:35:01.000 And then they also knew that there was so much corruption involved.

02:35:04.000 Everybody knew what they were doing with the Twitter files and all that other shit.

02:35:08.000 There was so much that, like...

02:35:11.000 This is probably the right way.

02:35:12.000 I know.

02:35:12.000 I mean, and people were paying attention that have never been intrigued.

02:35:15.000 Yes.

02:35:16.000 And I think a lot of things happen there.

02:35:18.000 It's like, you know, most people, you know, somebody asked me, you know, how do you know when you're rich?

02:35:25.000 And I said, well, when you don't know what a gallon of milk costs, that to me.

02:35:28.000 Right.

02:35:29.000 Because I remember growing up in that same rural area and, you know, my grandmama and stuff.

02:35:35.000 But when I could sit there and talk to my youngins, you know, my son Mason, I said, Mason, When you come down, run by and get us a gallon of milk.

02:35:43.000 Get us some cereal.

02:35:44.000 And I got some sausage.

02:35:44.000 We'll just have cereal.

02:35:45.000 But get us a gallon of milk and a loaf of bread.

02:35:48.000 Well, that never was the case when I was a kid.

02:35:50.000 Grandma said, hey, run by.

02:35:52.000 Look, don't go to Big Star.

02:35:54.000 It's 25 cent more over there.

02:35:56.000 Go over there to Giant Mark.

02:35:57.000 They got a deal right now.

02:35:58.000 As a matter of fact, go buy me a couple packs of that ground round.

02:36:01.000 They're running a special.

02:36:02.000 A gallon of milk.

02:36:03.000 They knew.

02:36:04.000 Their drive over here knew where gas was the cheapest.

02:36:06.000 And when you get to a place to where you know you're doing pretty well, it's like...

02:36:09.000 I need some gas.

02:36:10.000 Pull over.

02:36:11.000 Yeah.

02:36:11.000 You ain't worried about driving across town.

02:36:13.000 Just save a quarter.

02:36:14.000 My friend Brian has this thing, and I say it all the time.

02:36:17.000 He said, this is how rich you want to get, where you can go to a restaurant and order whatever you want and not worry about it.

02:36:24.000 Yep.

02:36:25.000 Everything after that is bullshit.

02:36:26.000 And then look and say, hey, I want to tip 20% or 25% and you do the math and just write it on there.

02:36:30.000 Yeah.

02:36:32.000 You are rich and you are blessed if you can do that.

02:36:34.000 Everything else on top of that, you don't really notice it.

02:36:37.000 It's kind of bullshit.

02:36:39.000 I 100% agree with that.

02:36:40.000 And I think that backfired on a little bit of the whole Harris thing when she said, no, everything's good.

02:36:48.000 And she's telling that to people who know exactly where the cheapest milk is.

02:36:52.000 And they were going to vote for her.

02:36:53.000 And they're like, no, it ain't.

02:36:56.000 I'm struggling out here.

02:36:57.000 You know, and then you're telling, you know, like, we're blessed to go to these hunting places, but they're not cheap places to hunt, to be able to technically trespass on these properties that are privately owned, and or if you were to go on a public elk hunt, you know, the private public.

02:37:11.000 Well, look, go get us a Urich.

02:37:13.000 If we did right now, me, you, and Cam, and Remy planned us a good DIY hunt.

02:37:18.000 It's like, well, Joe, you gonna get the Urich?

02:37:21.000 I'll go get the mountain house.

02:37:22.000 Right.

02:37:23.000 Cam's like, hey man, I got plenty of mountain ops and whatever, and I'll bring some coffee.

02:37:27.000 Can you imagine putting a yurt out in the middle of Idaho?

02:37:29.000 Can you imagine?

02:37:30.000 I promise you, if we just dutched it, we still got three or four grand a piece.

02:37:36.000 Yeah.

02:37:37.000 And we're going out there to go hunt, just in supplies and setups.

02:37:42.000 Oh yeah, just in your bow and your arrows and your broadheads and your fucking rangefinder and your minos and your gear and your clothing and your boots.

02:37:51.000 Yeah.

02:37:52.000 The tires on your truck and gas and this and that and then tags and oh, it's not cheap.

02:38:00.000 Oh, it's not cheap.

02:38:01.000 Like I said, you could either buy you a small farm in Kentucky or just get you a new bow.

02:38:06.000 I mean, that's what it feels like these days, you know.

02:38:09.000 But I tell you, it's absolutely so amazing that we get a chance to even do it and even get back to hunting.

02:38:16.000 I tell people all the time, it's like, you know, I've always stood by the fact, I don't think, You're a badass that you hunt.

02:38:24.000 I think it's just badass that we can have that opportunity in America and that we can fall back on that.

02:38:30.000 And if times do get hard, there's a certain piece once you understand the craft of it, a little bit of that rule of living and knowing how to skin a deer, knowing the best parts.

02:38:39.000 And yes, you can eat it all.

02:38:41.000 You can eat organs.

02:38:43.000 You can eat real meat.

02:38:44.000 You can do all those things.

02:38:45.000 But at the end of the day, There's a certain piece as a man, especially, and I think overall, even though we're in a world to where, you know, we got these equality and women can do what men can do or supposedly, but at the end of the day, I've always looked at it that my job is to provide, you know, safety, some type of structure, food and care for my family and any man that's out there that knows nothing about nature.

02:39:10.000 That if these cities shut down, that would be a terrifying experience.

02:39:15.000 The Mercedes won't start.

02:39:16.000 The Wi-Fi don't come on.

02:39:18.000 You can't run down to Starbucks and all of a sudden you can't go to the market or call Uber Eats to deliver you sushi.

02:39:26.000 Or your favorite pizza.

02:39:27.000 And you've got to walk to where the animals are.

02:39:28.000 Now you've got to walk.

02:39:30.000 And you have no skill set.

02:39:32.000 Yes, I sometimes, but guess what?

02:39:34.000 I've gotten pretty good at the cities.

02:39:35.000 I know how to work these apps.

02:39:36.000 I can grab me an Uber.

02:39:38.000 I can go talk to somebody or I can Google and say, man, I'm going to walk down here to this steakhouse tonight.

02:39:42.000 You can certainly navigate their world a whole lot better than they can navigate yours.

02:39:46.000 The world that me and you love the most is hard to navigate for some people.

02:39:49.000 And I think they're starting to realize it.

02:39:51.000 It's a long learning curve.

02:39:53.000 It takes forever.

02:39:54.000 And there's a piece.

02:39:55.000 I told somebody a while back, I said, man, I'm going to tell you, when you become a hunter and you understand it and you become simple, all the financial situations you might gain, money's nice.

02:40:05.000 I agree that it don't necessarily bring you happiness.

02:40:07.000 It is great to be able to have the money to do those things we talked about, just eating.

02:40:11.000 Or maybe it is that 70 Chevelle that's like, I've always wanted it and you can buy it.

02:40:16.000 But at the end of the day, there's a peace comes to know that I could potentially lose it all, but if I got my wife and my kids and I got this bow and arrow, I might actually gain a little bit because now I got peace and tranquility.

02:40:30.000 I got a certain stillness that is more valuable than anything I could find at the rave or in the middle of the city.

02:40:37.000 And so I've often told people, even if you love the city life, which what people might not realize, I love the city life.

02:40:44.000 It's so fun to visit, but that's just it.

02:40:46.000 I want to visit.

02:40:46.000 I'm ready to get back out.

02:40:48.000 The thought of things I could do in Austin, there's a million things.

02:40:52.000 My mind's going wide open, like, man, I'd love to go to the comedy club.

02:40:55.000 Man, I heard the steakhouse was great.

02:40:57.000 They got this, they got that, and this place got the best martinis and this cigar bar.

02:41:00.000 But once I do all that, I'm ready to go back to the campfire, hear Whipple Wheels and Coyotes howling, like, you ain't gonna believe.

02:41:06.000 And I'm puffing on me a Fuente cigar, like, you ain't gonna believe this steakhouse that Joe told me about.

02:41:12.000 It's heaven.

02:41:13.000 It's heaven.

02:41:15.000 Well, I think, Michael, one of the things that people really enjoy about you and I've enjoyed talking to you is you have a genuine gratitude towards life.

02:41:22.000 You know, it's infectious.

02:41:24.000 It's real.

02:41:25.000 And I think appreciation for this beautiful, chaotic world that we live in is a virtuous thing.

02:41:35.000 It's a very important thing.

02:41:36.000 Well, that means a lot.

02:41:38.000 And to be able to see that, it means more to me than anything because I do.

02:41:43.000 I mean, I don't even know how and why sometimes I ask myself.

02:41:49.000 And I mean, like I said, I've just been so blessed and it's been amazing.

02:41:52.000 The people I've met and learned so much.

02:41:56.000 I mean, it's just amazing.

02:41:57.000 I don't know how it happened.

02:41:58.000 Going back to that thought in my grandmama's living room, like, what are you doing, boy?

02:42:02.000 It's like, you got a brand new flaring kit.

02:42:05.000 That's also one of the reasons why it's so cool, because it worked out that way.

02:42:09.000 It wasn't like it was all easily planned out and just a natural path for you to go down.

02:42:14.000 Did you have much of that, Joe?

02:42:17.000 Like, obviously growing up where you did, and I mean, you've...

02:42:20.000 I mean, same amazing opportunity.

02:42:22.000 You had so many cool things that's happened.

02:42:24.000 Did you ever have any people like...

02:42:26.000 What is Joe doing?

02:42:27.000 Oh, yeah, everyone.

02:42:28.000 My parents, for sure.

02:42:29.000 You're going to be a comedian?

02:42:30.000 Yeah, what the fuck are you doing?

02:42:31.000 Like, you're not even funny.

02:42:34.000 They didn't want me to fight when I started fighting.

02:42:36.000 They're like, you're going to get hurt.

02:42:37.000 They didn't want me to do comedy because I was good at fighting.

02:42:40.000 Like, why don't you stick with that?

02:42:41.000 It was just, no matter what, there's always going to be people that doubt you, especially if you want to do something that's high risk, low probability of success.

02:42:50.000 You know, it made me dig deep because I think of that.

02:42:52.000 And the reason I ask you that is because that experience I had with my family, it was kind of mind-boggling because I thought they would see it as I did.

02:43:00.000 And I think there's a difference in perception or the way we perceive things and the true reality possibly because you've got to sometimes bring yourself out and look back in from their point of view.

02:43:08.000 And I learned it as I've become a parent because now I've got kids and they're wanting to do something.

02:43:12.000 I've got a boy, Mason.

02:43:13.000 He moved to Charleston, South Carolina.

02:43:15.000 And all of a sudden, I've become a grandmama.

02:43:18.000 In my mind, I've got...

02:43:20.000 Hey, when I get back, Christy, we're going to have some cornbread and collard greens and fried chicken.

02:43:25.000 I want to come back and tell you, because he listens to every episode.

02:43:27.000 My son McCoy, Meyer, all of them.

02:43:29.000 So in my mind, I got them pictured living in a little old house right there around the farm.

02:43:33.000 Well, he bumped some moves to Charleston, South Carolina.

02:43:35.000 I'm like, what are you doing?

02:43:40.000 Are you on crack?

02:43:41.000 You tell me.

02:43:42.000 What are you doing?

02:43:43.000 And it hit me.

02:43:45.000 It's like, man, I'm being my grandmama.

02:43:46.000 I'm being Uncle Tommy.

02:43:47.000 And the reason they was that way, same with your parents, people love us so much that they don't want us to fail.

02:43:54.000 And I think, inevitably, we can fail the people we love the most because we want to keep them safe.

02:44:01.000 I know it's a world where a woman can go out there and cut wood. 1.00

02:44:04.000 I want my damn wife cutting wood. 1.00

02:44:06.000 I'll cut the wood.

02:44:07.000 Let me get the calluses.

02:44:08.000 I don't want my wife going to the door. 1.00

02:44:12.000 You know, if a villain's at night, I'm not saying she couldn't shoot more better than me.

02:44:15.000 I don't know.

02:44:15.000 But at the end of the day, I love her enough.

02:44:17.000 I don't want her hurt.

02:44:18.000 I don't want my kids to fail.

02:44:20.000 But in reality, why not?

02:44:22.000 Somebody's got to do these small percentiles.

02:44:24.000 Somebody's got to be a Michael Jordan.

02:44:25.000 Yeah.

02:44:26.000 How did Michael Jordan, what was his trajectory?

02:44:28.000 Somebody say, you can't make a living.

02:44:29.000 You know, I'm sure somebody.

02:44:31.000 And so I think we want to put everybody in a safe spot.

02:44:33.000 And if you think about it, if 80% or 90% of people can do these things, Well, guess what?

02:44:39.000 Go try the 10-20%.

02:44:40.000 If you fail, jump back into the 80-90% and you can at least say you tried.

02:44:44.000 At least say I tried to make somebody laugh on a stage.

02:44:47.000 At least say I tried to sell a Hoyt bow enough to make money and they'd give me a percentage of something or have my name on a bow.

02:44:54.000 I don't know.

02:44:54.000 You can at least try it.

02:44:55.000 I don't think it makes you arrogant.

02:44:58.000 Are overzealously confident.

02:45:00.000 It's just, why not?

02:45:01.000 Well, I think there's people that are afraid to try that will try to attack you for trying.

02:45:06.000 Yeah.

02:45:06.000 There's that.

02:45:07.000 There's crabs in a bucket. 0.99

02:45:08.000 You know, there's that.

02:45:09.000 There's people that don't want someone to take a risk and succeed because they never took a risk and they don't want to confront themselves with that thought.

02:45:18.000 They don't want to be confronted with the reality of what they've done with their life.

02:45:22.000 Like, maybe they did have a dream.

02:45:23.000 Maybe they did want to be like Luke Bryan.

02:45:24.000 Maybe they did want to be on stage singing.

02:45:26.000 Maybe they did want to do something extraordinary and they never really took the chance.

02:45:33.000 So when they see you taking the chance, they want to fill you with doubt.

02:45:36.000 They do.

02:45:36.000 It's an unnecessary and unfortunate aspect of human nature.

02:45:40.000 I see that and I feel that from time to time, but it makes you appreciate the people that encourage people.

02:45:45.000 It really does.

02:45:46.000 I've texted several people all the time, especially when I think about it, people along the way who said, Hey, buddy, let me pull you back.

02:45:54.000 Stay away from this stuff, but you're special in this.

02:45:56.000 You go do this and keep doing this.

02:45:58.000 Man, people don't realize what that means.

02:46:01.000 I think about that street person.

02:46:04.000 Literally, me in the right mood, especially with this young lady right there, I'd have wanted to hit him. 0.94

02:46:11.000 I don't know mixed martial arts, but I know a goddamn haymaker, and he didn't see it coming.

02:46:17.000 And, I mean, he was calling this girl all kind of names, and you MFers, and all it took was when he said, hey, bro, I'm on your side, and immediately he was just like, he just wanted to be heard, and maybe that's it.

02:46:28.000 Maybe he was, I don't know.

02:46:30.000 I think people just get tired of being outcasts, you know?

02:46:33.000 People want community.

02:46:34.000 They really do.

02:46:35.000 They want friends.

02:46:36.000 They want, it's like you were saying before, that like the relationships you make in this life, that's the real trophy.

02:46:41.000 It is.

02:46:42.000 And that's the one thing, I guess, the last thing I'd want to leave about the hunting community.

02:46:47.000 And I think you felt it just from people you've seen or maybe researched.

02:46:52.000 And like Cam had said, he said, man, you don't find a better student than Joe.

02:46:55.000 He said he knows more about broadheads than the companies themselves. 0.95

02:46:58.000 He researches this stuff.

02:46:59.000 He knows the geometry of bows and brace heights.

02:47:02.000 He's so dead deep.

02:47:04.000 He said he just he loves it.

02:47:05.000 And it made me feel so good to know that you're that deep into it.

02:47:08.000 And but when you start looking at so many of these things that's out there for us, what I find about the hunting community, it is a community of people that welcomes all.

02:47:19.000 It doesn't matter.

02:47:20.000 It really does.

02:47:20.000 And they want you to learn, and they're so appreciative that you might just take a look into this culture that sometimes can be criticized, that sometimes can be judged and think we're barbaric or we're hillbilly or uneducated or just ruthless.

02:47:35.000 And what you'll find is there is a part of that that with dipping into nature, mother nature, you have to kind of become an animal with that and be Like the bear, like the predator, you are a killer.

02:47:47.000 You have to come to full draw to feed your family.

02:47:49.000 But it's so welcoming, and I've never seen anybody alienized.

02:47:54.000 I've never seen anybody that I've thought that was a solid person within the industry and are just people around my house that wouldn't bring in, feed you, and say, come on, let me show you what this is about, boy or young lady.

02:48:04.000 And I'm proud of that, and I'm confident, and I know that there's nobody, even the people...

02:48:09.000 That might talk bad about them.

02:48:11.000 They're going to treat them good.

02:48:12.000 I remember one thing that was epic that happened, Joe, and it hit me pretty hard.

02:48:19.000 My daughter, Addie, had asked me, Dad, in a situation if we're at school and there's something bad happening, I was talking about some of the school shootings, and I saw we just had one.

02:48:31.000 I'm like, what should I do?

02:48:33.000 And I was like, was there any kind of mandate of what you should do?

02:48:35.000 And they said, well, they say do this, this, and this, hide under your desk, and sit there and wait, and they lock the doors.

02:48:39.000 I said, well, I'm about to go against protocol, Addie.

02:48:42.000 And I knew her school.

02:48:43.000 They had these outside doors that went out, and quickly, there in Harris County, Georgia, it goes off into the wilderness, you know.

02:48:48.000 Matter of fact, my farm is right across from the high school.

02:48:51.000 And I said, Addie, I'll tell you what I want you to do.

02:48:54.000 If something goes awry, I said, you know, you've hunted with me a lot and you understand, you know, how to hide and slip around and stuff like that.

02:49:02.000 I said, if something happens and you can see that exit door and you can get out and you can hit the woods, I want you to go right then.

02:49:08.000 Don't wait around.

02:49:09.000 I want you to go.

02:49:10.000 Figure out the situation.

02:49:11.000 Like if a bear's coming in the tent, you get out of the tent and get up the tree or whatever you got to do.

02:49:15.000 And I said, but here's what I want you to do.

02:49:18.000 I said, you go, and I ain't never told you to judge somebody because I don't believe in judging a book by the cover.

02:49:23.000 I don't.

02:49:24.000 I don't believe in that.

02:49:25.000 But I said, but in this case, in this adverse moment, you go out and you find a beat-up old Chevrolet truck.

02:49:32.000 It's got an NRA sticker on it.

02:49:34.000 Maybe a beat-up minivan with a mom riding around with some, you know, maybe it is that old 70 Chevelle, because that guy appreciates good cars.

02:49:41.000 And you jump out and you stop him.

02:49:43.000 It's going to be a complete stranger.

02:49:44.000 But I want you to pick out that person.

02:49:46.000 I said, you know, and find out.

02:49:49.000 And I said, if you find somebody with a four-wheel drive truck that you know probably resembles your granddaddy, or me, or Nick Munt and all these guys, you jump in there.

02:50:00.000 They're going to have a little snack.

02:50:01.000 They're definitely going to have a gun in there, and you tell them what happened, and they will protect you until they can find me.

02:50:05.000 And when I thought about that, I was dead serious, but then I thought, that goes beyond my daughter.

02:50:10.000 Anybody, it wouldn't matter if you was Muslim, Christian, or goth, or whatever, if you did that in the country, somebody's going to stop and say, hey man, what's going on? 0.99

02:50:18.000 They're going to quickly evaluate it.

02:50:20.000 And I'm not saying everybody won't.

02:50:21.000 I think most people has that opportunity.

02:50:23.000 But if you raise around that culture to where you're ready to help and you're ready to assist, love is so deep and the nature and the human nature is to protect and to make sure this person is doing good, even if they don't align.

02:50:36.000 And thought process.

02:50:38.000 And so I'm proud to come from that.

02:50:41.000 And that's probably my biggest joy, whether it's taking a Jim Brewer or a Theo, is when they see it, that's always, even if they don't get something, they're like, man, this was cool.

02:50:49.000 This was fun.

02:50:50.000 There's some good folks.

02:50:51.000 A little scared of y'all.

02:50:53.000 A little scared of y'all.

02:50:55.000 And Theo and all of them said, man, something happens.

02:50:57.000 I'm coming to your house, Waddell.

02:50:59.000 And Kayla Pressley was at this little funk. 0.91

02:51:01.000 She said, Waddell, my wife, his fiancee, I don't think he's married yet, he said, my wife said, hey, if something happens, we're going to Michael Waddell's house.

02:51:07.000 She said, you don't even know where he lives.

02:51:11.000 She said, well, I'm still going there.

02:51:13.000 And so anyway, that's just cool.

02:51:16.000 I'm proud of that.

02:51:17.000 And that ain't anything to do with me.

02:51:19.000 That's just, it's a culture.

02:51:21.000 It's such an amazing opportunity to share that.

02:51:24.000 Michael, I really enjoyed talking to you, man.

02:51:25.000 Thank you very much.

02:51:26.000 Thanks for being here.

02:51:27.000 It was a lot of fun.

02:51:28.000 Thank you, man.

02:51:28.000 Tell everybody what your social media is, where they can find your hunts online.

02:51:33.000 Oh, yeah.

02:51:34.000 Obviously, bonecollector.com.

02:51:37.000 We're on Instagram at Official Bone Collector, I think it is.

02:51:41.000 There's a Michael Waddell page, there's a Bone Collector page, and heck, I'm on TikTok, so yeah.

02:51:47.000 All right.

02:51:47.000 I'm dancing around over there, too, so I'm on everything.

02:51:50.000 It's China spying on me, too, but anyway.

02:51:52.000 For sure.

02:51:52.000 Thank you, Joe.

02:51:53.000 Thanks, brother.

02:51:54.000 I've been a fan a long time.

02:51:54.000 Appreciate it.

02:51:55.000 It was a lot of fun.

02:51:56.000 Thank you very much.

02:51:56.000 All right.

02:51:57.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - December 26, 2024

Joe Rogan Experience #2248 - Michael Waddell

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