The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2260 - Lex Fridman

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00:00:12.000 So, Jamie, what was your question?

00:00:17.000 It was too Lex, but it was really like, because see, I wouldn't know.

00:00:21.000 Hardcore science question.

00:00:22.000 Yeah.

00:00:23.000 Based on physics.

00:00:24.000 Okay.

00:00:25.000 In theory, if you were in space and you maybe ejaculated.

00:00:29.000 Is it possible that the ejaculate would propel you backwards?

00:00:34.000 Is there enough power in there to propel you?

00:00:39.000 There's only one way to find out.

00:00:40.000 It depends on how long you hold it in for.

00:00:44.000 If you didn't jerk off for four months, and then you had the mother load.

00:00:49.000 You need something to go one way, so you go the other way.

00:00:52.000 Lex had an answer, but I don't know.

00:00:54.000 What's the answer?

00:00:56.000 He had a thought, I guess.

00:00:57.000 What if you blow out at the same time?

00:01:00.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:01:01.000 I think in space, the biodynamics of the liquids is different.

00:01:07.000 I think it's actually difficult to have sex in space and to get people pregnant in space. 0.90

00:01:14.000 Has anybody ever gotten pregnant on the space station?

00:01:16.000 Are they allowed even to have sex?

00:01:18.000 No, nobody has officially had sex in space.

00:01:21.000 Officially?

00:01:22.000 Officially, but unofficially, of course, people have tried.

00:01:24.000 I wonder if they have.

00:01:26.000 I mean, how monitored are they?

00:01:27.000 There is a Wikipedia page.

00:01:29.000 About sex in space.

00:01:31.000 And it's actually pretty detailed.

00:01:32.000 But it's Wikipedia, so you know it's half bullshit. 0.91

00:01:35.000 There's citations.

00:01:36.000 I encourage people to look into it.

00:01:40.000 Read in detail.

00:01:41.000 I mean, it's a serious problem.

00:01:42.000 If you want to...

00:01:43.000 You know, colonized space, you probably want to have a lot of sex and get pregnant and have kids. 0.99

00:01:48.000 Well, don't you think they'll develop some sort of gravity-generating machines?

00:01:53.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:01:54.000 You have to.

00:01:54.000 Like, Jeff Bezos talks about this a lot.

00:01:56.000 Yeah.

00:01:57.000 Like, how you create artificial gravity in space.

00:01:59.000 Because for Jeff Bezos, the likely way to colonize space is to have space stations.

00:02:06.000 Elon is more focused on colonizing planets, Mars.

00:02:09.000 Yeah.

00:02:10.000 So, both are obviously going to be necessary, and you need to have gravity in order to get laid.

00:02:17.000 Bro, the first people that make that trip.

00:02:20.000 Yeah, Jamie was saying he wants to go.

00:02:24.000 I mean, I'm not that trip, but a trip.

00:02:27.000 You go eventually?

00:02:29.000 No, why not?

00:02:29.000 Oh, dude, why?

00:02:31.000 What if you die out there?

00:02:32.000 Okay, we're going to die.

00:02:34.000 Everybody dies.

00:02:34.000 Yeah, but you don't want to die that way, dude.

00:02:36.000 If you get to decide one way to die, that's not one of the worst ways.

00:02:39.000 Oh, it's the worst way.

00:02:40.000 You're going to die in space, running out of air.

00:02:42.000 You don't know how it's going to happen.

00:02:43.000 It could be on re-entry.

00:02:45.000 Yeah, you could just cook instantly.

00:02:47.000 Could be on the way up.

00:02:49.000 You get hit by a micrometeorite.

00:02:52.000 Could be while you're asleep up there.

00:02:53.000 Could be.

00:02:54.000 Imagine standing on Mars, looking back at Earth.

00:02:57.000 Going, what the fuck did I do?

00:03:00.000 Why did I do this?

00:03:02.000 Yeah, and then having kids on Mars.

00:03:04.000 Oh, those poor kids.

00:03:06.000 We came from there.

00:03:07.000 You think homeschooling's bad.

00:03:09.000 How about space schooling?

00:03:11.000 Just imagine the crazy shit that happens on Mars.

00:03:13.000 I mean, it's going to be, what, 100,000 people?

00:03:15.000 Yeah, and so you're going to get one psycho who's going to run everything, and they're going to take over.

00:03:20.000 Yeah.

00:03:21.000 Probably some cult leader.

00:03:23.000 Convinces everybody to do it his way.

00:03:25.000 It's gonna be a sex cult, 100%.

00:03:26.000 100%.

00:03:27.000 And we're back to sex in space.

00:03:29.000 Right, they're gonna say, like, listen, if Elon is their man, Elon wants to procreate every chance he can.

00:03:34.000 How many kids does he have now?

00:03:37.000 Allegedly.

00:03:38.000 Double digits.

00:03:39.000 No, we don't even know how many.

00:03:41.000 Well...

00:03:41.000 Because they think he's got secret kids.

00:03:43.000 They think?

00:03:44.000 Who's they?

00:03:45.000 They! 0.96

00:03:46.000 The fucking people that run the world.

00:03:47.000 Is there a Wikipedia page on this?

00:03:49.000 There probably is.

00:03:50.000 He's probably got secret kids.

00:03:51.000 Secret kids.

00:03:52.000 Yeah.

00:03:53.000 When you have, like, what does he have?

00:03:54.000 Like, $300-plus billion?

00:03:56.000 That's wrong.

00:03:57.000 You can have a few ladies here, there, all over the place having kids. 1.00

00:04:02.000 There's a lot of ladies who just want to have kids. 1.00

00:04:04.000 They don't want a guy around.

00:04:06.000 Yeah.

00:04:07.000 Especially when they get a little older.

00:04:08.000 There's a castle in the south of France with, like, a harem. 1.00

00:04:11.000 Just a bunch of kids.

00:04:12.000 Waiting for them.

00:04:13.000 Yeah.

00:04:14.000 Just waiting for Dad to land his rocket ship.

00:04:17.000 Online it officially says at least 12. At least 12 kids.

00:04:21.000 See, nobody even knows.

00:04:22.000 Imagine no one knows how many kids you have.

00:04:24.000 That's kind of crazy.

00:04:27.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:04:28.000 Well, that's the situation Genghis Khan was in, you know?

00:04:32.000 Well, he was doing it a little differently.

00:04:34.000 He was a little bit more forceful.

00:04:37.000 Actually, I mean, there's a lot of different perspectives on that.

00:04:42.000 What's the book on Genghis Khan?

00:04:46.000 So, first of all, there's obviously the Dan Carlin.

00:04:49.000 Wrath of the Khans, and in that series of podcasts, he criticizes the book Jack...

00:04:54.000 Weatherford.

00:04:57.000 Making of the Modern World.

00:04:58.000 Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World.

00:05:00.000 Genghis Khan and the Mongols and the Making of the Modern World. 0.98

00:05:03.000 Yeah, so that's the...

00:05:04.000 There it is.

00:05:06.000 Nice.

00:05:06.000 That is one of the things that Dan Carlin talks about, that when enough time has passed, that they sort of look at...

00:05:16.000 These marauders and murderers in a different light and saying, oh, he opened up trade to the east.

00:05:23.000 Sure.

00:05:24.000 Also, killed 10% of the population of Earth.

00:05:27.000 Lit people on fire and launched them on catapults onto thatched roofs.

00:05:34.000 Well, I think actually Dan Collins makes a really good point.

00:05:39.000 How long do you wait until...

00:05:41.000 You know, that you could tell these kinds of stories about Hitler.

00:05:44.000 I think that's an example he uses.

00:05:45.000 Yes, that's what he uses.

00:05:46.000 But, you know, you want to be historically accurate here.

00:05:48.000 And Genghis Khan, there's a lot of different perspectives, including opening up trade and including what was the protocol based on which he was doing the murdering.

00:06:00.000 So it was very clear before the invasion, he always said, you can surrender and then we would not murder anybody.

00:06:11.000 You just have to follow the law.

00:06:15.000 And the law is very, very sort of clear, and it's basically enforcing a law of the land, so free trade, free practice of religion, and you have to pay taxes instead of to your king, you have to pay taxes to the Mongol Empire.

00:06:34.000 But did they really say, we won't kill anyone?

00:06:36.000 Yes, 100%.

00:06:38.000 They followed that, and this is...

00:06:40.000 Very well documented.

00:06:42.000 Really?

00:06:42.000 Yes.

00:06:43.000 So everybody could have just laid down and 10% of the world's population wouldn't be dead?

00:06:48.000 Yes.

00:06:49.000 Really?

00:06:49.000 So the nuance there is that sometimes they killed the upper classes.

00:06:55.000 Mm-hmm.

00:06:55.000 Well, you know, didn't they kill the royals by, like, crushing them to death?

00:06:59.000 They'd have lunch over them?

00:07:01.000 They were...

00:07:02.000 Listen, this is a different time, but they were brutal.

00:07:06.000 Oh, yeah.

00:07:07.000 Because they want to...

00:07:09.000 They use fear as part of the military tactics, right?

00:07:12.000 So they want people to be terrified and they want people to talk about how terrifying the Mongol Empire is so that they forfeit more easily. 0.79

00:07:23.000 You know, there's a lot of aspects of it.

00:07:26.000 Not to say that Genghis Khan is a feminist, but there's a lot of progressive aspects. 0.68

00:07:31.000 He put a lot of women in positions of power. 1.00

00:07:35.000 Gave a lot of rights to women. 0.99

00:07:37.000 This is a very strange perspective.

00:07:39.000 Yeah, but he did a lot of raping.

00:07:40.000 Nope.

00:07:41.000 There's not his kids.

00:07:44.000 What do you mean, nope?

00:07:46.000 When he would conquer these places, he would take women. 1.00

00:07:50.000 And they would become his new wives. 0.68

00:07:52.000 Yeah, but it wasn't their call.

00:07:54.000 So that's kind of rapey.

00:07:56.000 That's very rapey, yeah.

00:07:58.000 So, but there's a...

00:08:00.000 If you just fucking take them and make them have your kids. 1.00

00:08:03.000 There's the kind of mass rape that the Soviet soldiers did at the end of World War II when they're marching towards Berlin, which is extremely violent, vicious, and sort of that kind of rape, which is part of the terror of war.

00:08:18.000 And then there's like creating a harem of women, right? 1.00

00:08:24.000 So it's a different...

00:08:28.000 I think the main point is that, you know, this is something you talk about, that a large percent of the population, as that one study from like 20 years ago, found are descendants of Genghis Khan.

00:08:42.000 Huge, yeah.

00:08:42.000 I think the way to do that is to make everybody who is your descendant popular within the culture.

00:08:53.000 Like, you can't have that many...

00:08:58.000 Have your DNA propagate throughout civilization by raping. 0.64

00:09:02.000 You have to have everybody to have a high status for people that are associated with Genghis Khan.

00:09:11.000 You can't have that kind of thing with fear.

00:09:14.000 You can only do it with respect and high status.

00:09:17.000 And he, for several generations, created an empire that was flourishing.

00:09:23.000 Okay, you're kind of whitewashing that.

00:09:26.000 I mean, they killed a million people in Jin China and turned their bones into a stack, a pile that they recognized as snow-covered mountains from the distance. 0.97

00:09:38.000 That's what they thought it was until they got up on it.

00:09:41.000 When the Shah of Chorisma came there to check it out, he's like, where is everybody?

00:09:46.000 They had abandoned the roads because there were so many dead bodies that the roads had deteriorated into muck.

00:09:53.000 Yeah, let me actually sort of backtrack a little bit here because I'm uncomfortable because I'm deeply involved in the military affairs of modern day.

00:10:01.000 And so there's a kind of...

00:10:02.000 I was just kind of having fun.

00:10:04.000 Yes, there was mass murder that was happening.

00:10:08.000 It was vicious.

00:10:09.000 And I'm not a scholar of Genghis Khan.

00:10:13.000 I was simply saying that it's interesting how history looks at these different empires.

00:10:20.000 For example, we venerate the Roman Empire.

00:10:23.000 Not we, but ancient Greece.

00:10:25.000 And they were equally, if not more, brutal in their conquests and their destruction.

00:10:31.000 There's never really been a time where there was a leading superpower that wasn't brutal.

00:10:37.000 It's, I think, become less and less brutal over time.

00:10:40.000 And people document this.

00:10:42.000 So war, the number of people, less percent of the population killed is less and less.

00:10:46.000 But what about Ukraine and Russia?

00:10:49.000 How many people have died, all told, between the two?

00:10:52.000 It's got to be close to a million.

00:10:54.000 It's over a million casualties, which includes death and injuries.

00:11:00.000 And the estimates vary, but I think a good estimate is over 400,000 total, maybe over 500,000 on both sides.

00:11:10.000 And the dead on the Ukraine side is probably one-third or one-fourth of the total dead.

00:11:18.000 Really?

00:11:19.000 So three quarters of them on the Russian side?

00:11:21.000 Really?

00:11:22.000 What do you attribute that to?

00:11:24.000 I think there's military scholars that understand this really well.

00:11:28.000 I think, in general, the invading force loses more people than the defending force.

00:11:35.000 That's one aspect.

00:11:36.000 Of course, the Ukrainian military will say it's about the effectiveness of the Ukrainian military.

00:11:44.000 And also one of the other things they say is that the medical capabilities, so the medics are really strong on the Ukrainian side, which is also tragic because you're able to save lives, but you have the injuries, the pain of war, you know, that the veterans have to go through.

00:12:03.000 So they're able to save lives more effectively also.

00:12:07.000 But there is a big characteristic of the invading force usually loses more people.

00:12:12.000 What was it like?

00:12:13.000 Going over there and interviewing Zelensky.

00:12:18.000 So I should say I went to Ukraine twice after February 24, 2022, invasion. 0.71

00:12:26.000 And maybe it's good for me to also say where I come from because it's surreal to be there for me.

00:12:33.000 Sure.

00:12:34.000 Both my parents are from Ukraine, from Kiev and Kharkiv.

00:12:37.000 These are towns in Ukraine, cities in Ukraine.

00:12:41.000 I've been there many times.

00:12:43.000 I myself was born in Tajikistan, speaking of Genghis Khan.

00:12:47.000 And I lived there, in Tajikistan.

00:12:51.000 And by the way, I'm regretting defending Genghis Khan in this conversation for fun.

00:12:55.000 You didn't really defend.

00:12:57.000 Yeah, I want to be, sort of say that over and over again.

00:13:02.000 War is hell.

00:13:04.000 And I'm almost at tension between how much Roman Empire...

00:13:10.000 Caesar and these folks are venerated.

00:13:13.000 And Genghis Khan is seen as this barbarian that was just destroying and raping and so on.

00:13:18.000 They were all horrible, vicious warmongers.

00:13:23.000 All of them.

00:13:23.000 Yeah.

00:13:25.000 Anyway, Tajikistan and I lived for a time in Kiev and I lived for a time in Moscow.

00:13:31.000 I have family in Ukraine.

00:13:33.000 I have family in Russia.

00:13:34.000 And so, and I should say in World War II. A lot of my family was slaughtered in Babi Yar, which is a ravine in Kiev, where they gather people around, the Nazis, and they just put them in this ravine and just shot them and put another layer of humans, told them to get naked and lay face down and slaughter and slaughter like this.

00:14:01.000 It's mass graves, mass slaughter.

00:14:04.000 And my grandfather fought the Nazis.

00:14:09.000 He's a machine gunner, which he's one of the few that survives, which is the reason I'm here, that they basically tried to hold off the Nazi armada.

00:14:22.000 And the surreal aspect of all of this is the same land.

00:14:26.000 I still remember the song 22nd of June.

00:14:39.000 At 4 a.m., the bombing of Kyiv began.

00:14:43.000 So this is in 1941, June 22nd.

00:14:46.000 Just imagine, speaking of Genghis Khan, complete surprise, just the Nazi armada, just coming, Operation Barbarossa, this massive military force invading your land. 0.79

00:15:01.000 It's Kiev, and there's the greatest, the biggest battles of all time were on this land.

00:15:07.000 The Battle of Kiev, the Battle of Stalingrad, the Battle of Moscow.

00:15:10.000 We're talking about hundreds of thousands, millions of people just slaughtering each other.

00:15:15.000 And the way Hitler, of course, approached the battle, and so does Stalin, is nobody surrenders. 0.94

00:15:21.000 It's, there's no, it's all in.

00:15:25.000 Slaughter.

00:15:26.000 It doesn't matter if it's winter.

00:15:27.000 It doesn't matter if there's no guns.

00:15:29.000 It doesn't matter.

00:15:30.000 It's just victory or death on both sides.

00:15:34.000 And so it's just brutal war.

00:15:36.000 So this is the land, right?

00:15:38.000 And I have, you know, for a lot of people in this land, this history is part of them.

00:15:43.000 It's part of their blood.

00:15:45.000 They remember these struggles.

00:15:46.000 They remember this.

00:15:48.000 This political, this geopolitical, this military, this social, this is real.

00:15:55.000 Imagine the United States living maybe a few decades after the Civil War.

00:16:01.000 You remember.

00:16:05.000 You have relatives that died.

00:16:07.000 You remember the real hatred, the real tensions, the real battles.

00:16:13.000 Yeah, it was surreal to be back there.

00:16:17.000 And to try to do what I was doing, which is to push for peace.

00:16:23.000 since there's probably a lot to say about this war.

00:16:30.000 I should say that I interviewed Volodymyr Zelensky and I will be traveling to Russia to interview Vladimir Putin.

00:16:42.000 And I'm aware of the risks.

00:16:50.000 I accept the risks.

00:16:52.000 And the goal, the mission, is to just push for peace, to do my small part in pushing for peace.

00:16:57.000 And that's what I was trying to do in this conversation.

00:17:00.000 And it required just a huge amount of preparation.

00:17:03.000 For people who don't know, maybe I'll lay out where there was opportunities for peace.

00:17:10.000 So since the beginning of the war, February 24, 2022, I think there was three moments.

00:17:16.000 To make peace.

00:17:18.000 From the perspective of Ukraine, you want to make peace from strength.

00:17:23.000 So when you're in a position of strength.

00:17:25.000 The first time to make peace was March and April of 2022, when the Ukrainian forces were able to successfully defend the north, defend Kyiv.

00:17:36.000 There's this huge optimism, this belief that we push back this gigantic Russian military. 0.81

00:17:44.000 That's a place for leverage.

00:17:46.000 And the confidence both of the U.S. funding, the European militaries, and the Ukrainian military that we can win this.

00:17:55.000 This is when you make peace, when there is a perception and a reality of strength.

00:18:03.000 The second time was in the fall of 2022, when there was a successful counteroffensive by the Ukrainian forces that recaptured Kharkiv and Kherson.

00:18:16.000 This is the south and the east of Ukraine.

00:18:19.000 And there was this real sense that the Ukrainian forces could defeat the Russian forces.

00:18:26.000 Huge optimism.

00:18:28.000 A lot of pressure from the U.S. to make peace then.

00:18:31.000 This is the strength and perhaps the weakness of Volodymyr Zelensky, who I do think is a historic figure and a great leader, is that he won.

00:18:45.000 Deeply emotionally feels the suffering of the people and the loss that war creates.

00:18:52.000 And he single-handedly has to unite the nation and carry the will of a people and the morale of a people.

00:18:59.000 He has to lift the morale of a people.

00:19:01.000 And that kind of man struggles to make peace because he wants justice, not peace.

00:19:08.000 And so from a position of strength there, he wants to go further.

00:19:13.000 Recapture all of the land that he sees belongs to Ukraine. 1.00

00:19:17.000 But that's exactly when you make peace.

00:19:20.000 And so his very strength, a man that stayed in Kyiv, that said, you know, fuck you.

00:19:28.000 We're not going to, we're going to win this.

00:19:32.000 That kind of man that lifted a whole nation, that united a whole nation, that man has also struggled to make peace.

00:19:38.000 And so the third time to make peace.

00:19:41.000 After all of that, the Russian military regrouped and has been capturing land gradually.

00:19:52.000 So the third time to make peace is now.

00:19:56.000 The Trump administration, there's a momentum.

00:20:00.000 They want to make peace.

00:20:02.000 He's a great dealmaker.

00:20:05.000 He wants to end wars in all parts of the world.

00:20:09.000 He's made the deal in Gaza now.

00:20:11.000 Made the deal in Gaza, and that's a super complicated situation too because they made a ceasefire deal with the hostages.

00:20:19.000 But isn't it amazing that the Biden administration had two years, couldn't get anything done, and Trump kids had done it a day.

00:20:29.000 He was saying that he was going to be able to do that, and everybody dismissed it.

00:20:33.000 Yeah, and I think there's a political battle now, taking credit for who made the ceasefire, which I think is silly.

00:20:40.000 Of course you can have that.

00:20:43.000 Biden is the president.

00:20:44.000 He's still the president for another few days.

00:20:47.000 The point is, with Donald Trump, there's a real will and a momentum to make peace.

00:20:54.000 There's a respect, there's a fear, there's, you know, whatever you think about Donald Trump, he is this person that world leaders respect in the full meaning of the word respect.

00:21:05.000 Not like admire, but fear.

00:21:10.000 I think both Zelensky and Putin fear Donald Trump.

00:21:14.000 And that's a great person to then make peace because he has the leverage.

00:21:20.000 All of them believe, Putin and Zelensky, that Trump can do some crazy shit.

00:21:26.000 And he probably would, but he doesn't want to.

00:21:28.000 Right, he doesn't want to.

00:21:29.000 This is the difference.

00:21:30.000 That's a very unique position that he's in, where they're afraid of him, but yet he wants peace.

00:21:36.000 Exactly.

00:21:36.000 Yeah.

00:21:37.000 And so this is the time.

00:21:38.000 And if you don't make peace now, what's going to happen is the funding from U.S. and the support from U.S. is going to dwindle gradually.

00:21:46.000 And Putin is willing and able to just wait and to let the war continue for months and for years.

00:21:56.000 And meanwhile, people are dying every single day.

00:22:01.000 Thousands of people.

00:22:03.000 What's so horrible about this war, too, is there's GoPro footage.

00:22:07.000 There's a lot of cell phone footage.

00:22:09.000 There's a lot of GoPro footage.

00:22:09.000 I've watched too much of it, unfortunately.

00:22:13.000 But it's rough, man.

00:22:16.000 It's a horrible war.

00:22:17.000 And it's a war that's so confusing over here, especially to the uninitiated, for the people that are just kind of reading the newspaper and getting a sort of a cursory understanding of what happened.

00:22:29.000 Russia invaded.

00:22:30.000 Why?

00:22:30.000 You know, what'd they do?

00:22:31.000 And then you've got to get into the whole...

00:22:34.000 U.S.-backed coup in 2014, and then you have to think about NATO and the agreement that was made the fall of, you know, when the wall came down in Berlin, the agreement that NATO would not push forth and move closer to Russia, which they violated over and over and over again.

00:22:55.000 The whole thing is so complicated that It takes forever just to sort of get an understanding of the pieces that are involved.

00:23:03.000 Forget about who's responsible for what, but just like how many different things are happening, you know, simultaneously that are forcing Putin's hand, now Zelensky's hand.

00:23:16.000 And just to be on this side of the world watching it take place, it's almost unbelievable.

00:23:22.000 It's so hard to believe that Russia and Ukraine, which were both a part of the Soviet Union, Just not that long ago.

00:23:30.000 Well, during my lifetime, now they're at war.

00:23:33.000 I should say that I believe...

00:23:36.000 So how do you handle situations like this?

00:23:38.000 I believe the US actually gave not enough money to Ukraine.

00:23:43.000 They should have given more money, hit really hard, and then make peace.

00:23:48.000 This is the point.

00:23:49.000 A month or two after the start of the war, you can learn the same kind of lesson with Iraq and Afghanistan.

00:23:55.000 There's no reason those...

00:23:56.000 Those invasions, those military operations.

00:23:59.000 There's no other way.

00:24:00.000 There's no other way than just give money.

00:24:02.000 Give money and hit hard.

00:24:04.000 There's no other way.

00:24:06.000 What about...

00:24:07.000 Avoid it.

00:24:08.000 Avoid it.

00:24:08.000 Yeah, what about have NATO back out?

00:24:13.000 Well, a lot of this is about diplomatic rhetoric.

00:24:16.000 And yes, NATO was consistently talking shit to Putin.

00:24:19.000 And that's not...

00:24:20.000 Like, a lot of this is about diplomacy.

00:24:22.000 Right.

00:24:23.000 And you can't just...

00:24:26.000 You can't just pressure with words.

00:24:30.000 For some people, it seems almost silly that you need to show respect to world leaders.

00:24:37.000 But there needs to be shown real respect.

00:24:39.000 Putin has laid out the interest of the Russian Federation.

00:24:44.000 He said he's been very clear about what the interests are.

00:24:47.000 They want their security to be respected.

00:24:50.000 They want their nation to be respected.

00:24:52.000 He's very clear.

00:24:54.000 Simply, at the negotiation table, he just needs to be respected.

00:24:58.000 His perspective needs to be understood and heard.

00:25:02.000 You can't just say, Putin is evil, bad guy, authoritarian, hates freedom, we need to destroy him.

00:25:09.000 This whole vibe and energy, this idealistic sense that you bring to the table.

00:25:16.000 You have to respect leaders.

00:25:18.000 You have to respect Xi Jinping.

00:25:19.000 You have to respect Putin when you're at the negotiation table.

00:25:22.000 Not when you're on Twitter and X or talking shit or historians or activists.

00:25:26.000 Fine.

00:25:27.000 You can criticize as much as you want, as vicious as you want.

00:25:30.000 You can mock.

00:25:31.000 Artists can mock as much as they want.

00:25:33.000 Comedians.

00:25:33.000 It doesn't matter.

00:25:34.000 When you're a world leader and you come to the table, you have to show respect.

00:25:38.000 You have to treat other world leaders, as funny as it is to say, the way you want to be treated.

00:25:43.000 With respect.

00:25:44.000 It's not funny at all.

00:25:45.000 Yeah, it makes sense.

00:25:47.000 If you want to get things done.

00:25:48.000 If you want to get things done.

00:25:51.000 And more importantly, if you want in this war for the death to end.

00:25:55.000 One of the things I kept pushing in an almost childlike way with Zelensky is getting him to open himself up for peace.

00:26:05.000 Because he kept shutting it down.

00:26:08.000 He kept mocking Putin.

00:26:10.000 He kept criticizing Putin.

00:26:11.000 Which is okay.

00:26:12.000 It's okay to sort of criticize and say that there's war crimes, that there's real vicious violence and destruction happening. 0.68

00:26:21.000 But along that, there has to be a door open of respect, of I'm willing to come to the table to negotiate and respect the other nation's interests, as opposed to saying I'm only going to talk to the United States.

00:26:37.000 You have to be open to negotiate.

00:26:42.000 Unfortunately, this is the motherfucker of peace.

00:26:45.000 You have to compromise.

00:26:46.000 You have to sit across the table as a world leader with a person you might fucking hate.

00:26:53.000 Because unlike Putin, I should say, Zelensky goes to the front.

00:26:58.000 He talks to the soldiers.

00:27:00.000 He sees the dead bodies.

00:27:02.000 He talks to the civilians, the mothers that lost their children, the wives that lost their husband, right?

00:27:09.000 This person who's an empath, who's an emotional being, he's wearing all that in his mind.

00:27:14.000 There's a real pain there.

00:27:16.000 He's tortured, tormented by this.

00:27:18.000 If you're a leader, you have to put all that aside.

00:27:22.000 And you have to sit and save your nation by compromising.

00:27:27.000 That's it.

00:27:28.000 And that's the hard thing of it.

00:27:29.000 Especially now there's an opportunity where the Trump figure rolls in who wants to make peace.

00:27:38.000 You have to use this opportunity.

00:27:40.000 Yeah.

00:27:40.000 And it's tough.

00:27:41.000 It's very, very tough.

00:27:43.000 Yeah.

00:27:44.000 You're putting it mildly.

00:27:46.000 Very tough.

00:27:47.000 What do you think Trump can do now?

00:27:50.000 What could possibly, if Zelensky wants victory, they want revenge, what can Trump do to sort of bring peace to the table?

00:28:03.000 I think some of these notions sound naive.

00:28:09.000 But literally meet, which they haven't been meeting.

00:28:13.000 So meet with Putin, meet with Zelensky.

00:28:15.000 They haven't been meeting at all?

00:28:16.000 No.

00:28:18.000 So Zelensky comes down, they've been meeting with Zelensky, but there is no meeting with Putin.

00:28:22.000 I think the right thing to do is to go to, whether it's Switzerland or Turkey, Istanbul or Minsk.

00:28:32.000 The biggest thing for me would be literally the three of them sit together.

00:28:37.000 I think I trust in Trump's negotiation ability and the carrot and the stick of the United States military and the United States economy for being able to control oil prices, being able to control trade with tariffs, being able to threaten.

00:28:59.000 Military force and funding and so on, plus sanctions, all of this.

00:29:04.000 You can roll in with that carrot and stick, implied or made implicit or explicit, and just sit at the table and talk like human beings and show each other respect.

00:29:17.000 That, you know, is one of the things that actually COVID did.

00:29:21.000 There's something that happens where remote communication just is not it.

00:29:27.000 Like, the silly thing about this podcast being in person, right?

00:29:30.000 There's a real power there.

00:29:31.000 Everything else is, you know, like fucking with a condom.

00:29:36.000 Yeah.

00:29:38.000 You have to show up.

00:29:39.000 It's more like jerking off with a condom on.

00:29:42.000 Jerking off with a thing.

00:29:42.000 It's not even fucking with a condom on.

00:29:44.000 For the metaphor, yeah.

00:29:45.000 It's part of the reason I wanted to talk to President Zelensky in Russian, which I speak fluently.

00:29:51.000 And he speaks fluently.

00:29:52.000 It's his primary language.

00:29:55.000 For people who seem to misunderstand this on the internet, he spoke Russian his whole life.

00:30:00.000 That's his main language.

00:30:01.000 He speaks with his wife, with his whole staff, with all of this.

00:30:04.000 This is his language.

00:30:06.000 It's just that now the Ukrainian language has become a symbol of independence.

00:30:10.000 So they're fighting for their independence, for their sovereignty.

00:30:12.000 I understand it, but, you know...

00:30:16.000 So he spoke with you in Ukrainian?

00:30:18.000 He kept going back and forth.

00:30:20.000 But yeah, most of the powerful things were said in Ukrainian.

00:30:23.000 So I'm listening to an interpreter through a shitty headset. 1.00

00:30:26.000 The interpreter's not, forgive me to the interpreter, but he's not very good.

00:30:30.000 He's delayed.

00:30:31.000 There's noise.

00:30:32.000 God, but wouldn't it make more sense if he spoke to you in a language that you understand?

00:30:36.000 Yeah, we'd really tried.

00:30:38.000 But this is a man, once again.

00:30:39.000 Yeah.

00:30:40.000 He's the leader of a nation in a time of war, and he's not stylistically who he is.

00:30:47.000 Like, he's all in.

00:30:49.000 This is like a Braveheart-type character.

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00:32:10.000 Which is so crazy because he started his career as a comedian.

00:32:13.000 Right.

00:32:14.000 I mean, you never know who the leaders are that step up.

00:32:22.000 I think a lot of people sort of say that it's trivial that he stayed in Kiev when the Russian military invaded.

00:32:29.000 To me, it's not trivial at all.

00:32:31.000 I think that's a truly heroic act to stay when you know...

00:32:36.000 When nobody knows what's going to happen and all the experts are saying Kiev is going to be taken.

00:32:41.000 To stay as a leader in that same place where you were the night before, like working, and not flee when everybody, the CIA, everybody's telling you to flee.

00:32:52.000 To stay there like a bad motherfucker and actually go outside and film yourself speaking to the nation that we're going to win this.

00:33:01.000 We're going to hold strong.

00:33:03.000 That's an insane thing to do.

00:33:05.000 And maybe it does require, like, it's a Trump-level insanity, right?

00:33:09.000 It's similar to me to the Trump standing up when there's still bullets flying and saying, fight, fight, fight.

00:33:16.000 Where does that come from?

00:33:19.000 I don't know.

00:33:20.000 But most people don't have that.

00:33:21.000 It's nice.

00:33:22.000 It was refreshing.

00:33:25.000 It was refreshing when you see that.

00:33:27.000 Like, holy fuck, yes.

00:33:29.000 We want that guy.

00:33:30.000 And he really united a nation.

00:33:32.000 The nation was fracturing.

00:33:33.000 He was actually not popular at all up to that war because the policies he was trying were not working.

00:33:41.000 What policies specifically?

00:33:45.000 So the stuff that was working, I don't know the internals of the Ukrainian politics that well.

00:33:51.000 So he won in 2019 based on his desire to fight corruption.

00:33:56.000 And to modernize the Ukrainian digital system, which he did very successfully.

00:34:01.000 It's actually super interesting.

00:34:05.000 They have an app called Dia, where it's your passport.

00:34:08.000 All your identifications are all appified, which I don't understand why the United States doesn't have that.

00:34:13.000 You can update your license.

00:34:14.000 You can get your license instantly.

00:34:18.000 It's like the 21st century version of what government should work.

00:34:25.000 The reason they did that is it's a way to fight corruption.

00:34:29.000 Whenever you have paperwork, there's a place for corruption to seep in.

00:34:34.000 So he was very serious about fighting corruption.

00:34:37.000 And that's the other thing is there is corruption in Ukraine.

00:34:42.000 There's not as much as people perceive, but it's a serious problem.

00:34:47.000 Is it less now than before?

00:34:51.000 See, I want to be careful here because I don't...

00:34:54.000 It's very difficult to know.

00:34:55.000 The perception, there's a serious concern about corruption.

00:34:59.000 In a time of war, there's always going to be more corruption.

00:35:04.000 The United States spent $9 trillion on the war in Afghanistan, Iraq, in the Middle East.

00:35:11.000 After 9-11, on that part of the world, they spent $9 trillion and it's growing.

00:35:15.000 Using all that money, you've had a lot of guests on this program talking about how that money was used.

00:35:21.000 There's a lot of shady shit that happened.

00:35:23.000 Oh, yeah.

00:35:24.000 War breeds corruption.

00:35:26.000 Oh, yeah.

00:35:26.000 This is one of the reasons you should be concerned about the military-industrial complex is because that money is just not used well.

00:35:33.000 Right.

00:35:34.000 But that's all.

00:35:37.000 That's a discussion.

00:35:38.000 The reality of corruption in Ukraine is it should be dealt with after you make peace. 0.65

00:35:43.000 All the problems, the elections were suspended to, the ideas of democracy.

00:35:49.000 There is censorship in Ukraine now.

00:35:51.000 All of those ideas.

00:35:53.000 All of those things cannot be fixed until the war has ended.

00:35:57.000 The reason there is censorship now in Ukraine is because it's a war.

00:36:07.000 The ideas of democracy, in part, have to be suspended during a war to effectively fight that war.

00:36:14.000 This is a whole idea of martial law.

00:36:17.000 The United States has this.

00:36:18.000 You don't fuck around.

00:36:21.000 You have to win the war.

00:36:22.000 When your land is invaded, everybody has to be focused on this.

00:36:27.000 The problem is it's a slippery slope.

00:36:30.000 When all the media channels are being controlled and the president and everybody is so invested in, quote-unquote, winning the war, then where are the critical voices that say we need peace?

00:36:46.000 They're coming from the outside, but you need that.

00:36:49.000 The thing is...

00:36:50.000 It's a really complicated tension.

00:36:55.000 During the war with martial law, you do want to suspend elections, potentially.

00:37:02.000 It's a really difficult trade-off.

00:37:04.000 The United States has the same thing.

00:37:06.000 If we were to be invaded, I don't know by who, this is not Canada.

00:37:12.000 I don't want to make a joke out of this, but there's going to be a...

00:37:15.000 A quick fight?

00:37:17.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:37:19.000 There would be a martial law where elections would be delayed or suspended and so on.

00:37:26.000 So all those criticisms, all those concerns can only be dealt with once you make peace.

00:37:32.000 And in terms of corruption, there's a lot of people that know Zelensky well, and this has been my impression.

00:37:41.000 Having met him, I don't think he, and I've not heard anybody that knows him well say that he's personally corrupt.

00:37:52.000 This is really important.

00:37:54.000 He himself is not personally corrupt, and he legitimately is fighting corruption.

00:37:59.000 Now, he's in a system that has corruption.

00:38:02.000 Russia has corruption.

00:38:03.000 It's really difficult to weed out corruption.

00:38:06.000 But he legitimately...

00:38:07.000 At least to me, that's really important that he, as a single human being, and the people really close around him, like really close.

00:38:15.000 Corruption starts to seep in, of course, when you go further out.

00:38:19.000 But in that direct human being, he is not personally corrupt.

00:38:27.000 Financially speaking, he singularly believes in the idea of Ukraine as a sovereign nation, and he's willing to die for that idea.

00:38:37.000 That is his strength, and that is also his weakness, when it's time to make peace.

00:38:43.000 When you are preparing to do something like this, and you are, you know, you're doing your research, you're getting ready to go do it, what are your concerns, other than your own physical safety, of course?

00:38:58.000 But like, what is your...

00:39:01.000 Like, ultimately, what's your concerns?

00:39:03.000 What are your goals when you're setting out to do this?

00:39:05.000 Because this is very different than any other kind of podcast interview.

00:39:11.000 There's no other format, really, where a world leader in the middle of a huge international conflict is going to sit down for three hours and talk to an American scientist.

00:39:31.000 Which is weird too, right?

00:39:33.000 It's like, why are you doing it?

00:39:35.000 You know what I mean?

00:39:36.000 This guy who works in AI just decides he's going to start a podcast.

00:39:41.000 The podcast becomes very successful.

00:39:44.000 And all of a sudden he's like, I'd like to talk to everybody.

00:39:46.000 I'd like to go over and talk to Zelensky and talk to Putin.

00:39:50.000 And everybody's like, why you?

00:39:52.000 What the fuck are you doing?

00:39:53.000 So you get a lot of that, and then unfortunately for you, you read the comments, so you get sucked into all that negativity.

00:40:01.000 Yeah, I mean, there's a lot to say there.

00:40:03.000 First of all, on the comments side, I always have a little Joe Rogan on my shoulder saying, don't read the comments.

00:40:07.000 Don't read the comments.

00:40:09.000 And in this situation, it's especially intense.

00:40:13.000 Yeah.

00:40:14.000 I should say, like, privately, after I did a conversation with Zelensky, every single person that knows the situation well knows me personally.

00:40:23.000 Has written to me and it's all been really positive.

00:40:27.000 Like really positive.

00:40:28.000 Almost like in the desert wanting water positive.

00:40:32.000 Because there's a lot of voices that are afraid to speak that want peace.

00:40:36.000 Sure.

00:40:37.000 But online, and this is something we talked about online a little bit, there's just like these like swarms of people that are like...

00:40:46.000 Not even necessarily people.

00:40:48.000 That's, I... I don't want to sort of go too far in that territory assuming that anybody who criticized me is a bot.

00:40:54.000 No, no.

00:40:55.000 I'm not saying that.

00:40:56.000 But there's an enormous element of that that's real.

00:40:59.000 Whether it's bots or whether it's hired people, paid propagandists, the conversation is not a pure conversation between people expressing their ideas.

00:41:09.000 There's a lot of propaganda online and it's very confusing to try to discern what the percentage is.

00:41:17.000 You know, we've talked about this a bunch of times on the podcast, but there was a former FBI analyst who estimated that it's on Twitter alone.

00:41:24.000 This is before the purchase.

00:41:26.000 He believed it was around 80%.

00:41:28.000 So 80% fake accounts.

00:41:29.000 80% not just propaganda, like government propaganda, but most certainly corporations are hiring people to do similar things.

00:41:39.000 I'm sure there's companies that will do that for public figures, actors, people that are involved in conflict.

00:41:48.000 This is part of the Blake Lively dispute.

00:41:53.000 She's accusing that Justin Baldoni actor of an organized attack on her, which is probably what it feels like anyway when you're involved in something on social media, like, oh my god, this is organized, or they're attacking you.

00:42:07.000 But it's a very confusing landscape.

00:42:13.000 Ideally, what we would want with social media is...

00:42:16.000 Different people, informed and uninformed, but at least expressing their ideas on things and exchanging information back and forth and talking.

00:42:27.000 It's not the whole story, though.

00:42:30.000 There's a lot of other players involved that are not real.

00:42:35.000 There's AI, for sure.

00:42:38.000 There's definitely large language models that are involved in this back and forth with...

00:42:44.000 You know, automation and, you know, they look out for certain code words and these accounts attack certain ideas.

00:42:53.000 So it's hard to know, like, what the actual will of the people is.

00:42:58.000 Yeah, I mean, it's definitely true.

00:43:01.000 And I've seen a lot of evidence of this, that there's Ukrainian bot farms and Russian bot farms.

00:43:06.000 Have you spoke to Elon about this?

00:43:08.000 About bot farms?

00:43:09.000 Yeah, because he knows a lot more now, of course, right?

00:43:12.000 Because there was the big concern when he was buying Twitter.

00:43:14.000 They were trying to say that it was 5%.

00:43:16.000 It was only 5% bots.

00:43:17.000 And they were doing that on an extremely low sample size.

00:43:20.000 They were doing it off of 100 people.

00:43:21.000 So they got 100 people.

00:43:23.000 And out of those 100 people, five of them, they determined were bots.

00:43:27.000 And so they went with 5%, which is just ridiculous.

00:43:29.000 You're dealing with how many people are on Twitter every day.

00:43:32.000 What's the total Twitter audience?

00:43:35.000 It's not as big as Facebook, right?

00:43:37.000 Facebook is 3.2 billion worldwide, which is unbelievable.

00:43:42.000 I think X has a smaller number, but very influential and very active, yeah.

00:43:48.000 Very active, very influential.

00:43:52.000 245 daily active.

00:43:56.000 What is the total amount of accounts on it, though?

00:44:00.000 Because, you know, there's daily active, and then there's just people that just read them.

00:44:03.000 There's a lot of people that just read.

00:44:07.000 541.56 million monthly active users.

00:44:12.000 So, again, that's active users.

00:44:15.000 So, total users.

00:44:18.000 What's the total users?

00:44:22.000 See, it's all active.

00:44:24.000 I want to know it counts.

00:44:26.000 That's the only...

00:44:27.000 I don't...

00:44:28.000 They delete counts all the time.

00:44:31.000 Right.

00:44:32.000 Yeah, they definitely do.

00:44:34.000 So they must have some sort of a system where they weed out bots.

00:44:38.000 There's a lot of concern right now on Twitter about censorship.

00:44:42.000 I try to stay out of Twitter as much as I can, honestly, because I think it's bad for your mental health.

00:44:49.000 I really do.

00:44:50.000 I think people just...

00:44:52.000 Barking at each other all day is not good to absorb.

00:44:56.000 I want to absorb real people that I interact with.

00:44:59.000 I mean, I try to pay attention to the news.

00:45:01.000 I try to pay attention to whatever controversial ideas are out there and try to see what I think.

00:45:09.000 But I don't think it's good to dive in to social media all day.

00:45:14.000 I think it's uniquely bad.

00:45:17.000 And I think so many people are involved in it, and they don't realize that they're poisoning their brain, just like they would poison their body if they were eating junk food all day.

00:45:25.000 I think it's genuinely bad for you.

00:45:28.000 Yeah, I mean, and you and I, and also in a particular, you know, doing a podcast, and we're also very different human beings.

00:45:36.000 I would say your psychological fortitude is pretty strong.

00:45:42.000 And I'm more...

00:45:44.000 I wear my heart on my sleeve maybe a little bit more, and what if I, like, shit gets to me.

00:45:51.000 And, you know, when you try to put compassion out there in the world in the way I did, especially with this conversation with Zelensky, the attacks, like...

00:46:01.000 You just have to recognize who the kind of people that are doing that are.

00:46:04.000 Yeah.

00:46:05.000 You know, those are just really weak people.

00:46:07.000 Really weak...

00:46:09.000 Psychologically damaged, mentally ill people that are probably medicated. 0.81

00:46:14.000 To push back, I think some of them are actually good, sophisticated people.

00:46:22.000 They're just acting not their best selves.

00:46:23.000 I've seen this.

00:46:24.000 There's people that are like, I know them personally, and online, the worst shit comes out of them.

00:46:31.000 Well, because they're mentally ill. 0.55

00:46:33.000 But then all of us are a bit mentally ill.

00:46:35.000 Yeah, well, we're all a little mentally ill.

00:46:37.000 Like, no one is enlightened that I've met.

00:46:39.000 I've never met one person who's perfect, right?

00:46:41.000 I don't think it's possible with this journey that we're on as these meat vehicles, these soul-carrying meat vehicles navigating a very confusing world.

00:46:52.000 I don't think it's possible to be perfect.

00:46:55.000 You can have a desire to be a good person, and some people don't have that.

00:46:59.000 And the excuse that they always use is...

00:47:03.000 I mean, this is the Donald Trump excuse.

00:47:05.000 You do anything you can to stop Hitler, you know? 0.95

00:47:09.000 Right?

00:47:10.000 And this is why they want to conflate, and they always want to...

00:47:14.000 Pretend that everyone's Hitler. 0.92

00:47:16.000 The problem with that is that just after a while, it's crying wolf and people like, oh, this is a bullshit game you're playing and you're just using it as an excuse.

00:47:23.000 Elon's talked about this a lot about, and he's absolutely correct, is that people use woke ideology as an excuse to be an asshole.

00:47:34.000 And it's really just people that are assholes that are attaching themselves to things that make them feel righteous.

00:47:44.000 To give them virtue and to allow them to say the most awful things about other people that have different perspectives and then just by nature, if you're doing that, you're doing the wrong thing.

00:47:56.000 You're a bad person.

00:47:58.000 You can justify it all you want.

00:47:59.000 You can find people that agree with you all you want.

00:48:01.000 But those people are also on the wrong track.

00:48:04.000 The people that are listening to you and agreeing with you, they're on the wrong track.

00:48:07.000 They're the wrong track if we want to be collectively a kind, compassionate, cohesive society, a community of human beings that all live together.

00:48:17.000 That's totally possible.

00:48:19.000 If you can do it in small groups of people, you can do it in enormous groups of people.

00:48:24.000 It just has to be an ethic that gets promoted.

00:48:26.000 It has to be something that you see people that you admire adhere to, and you do it as well.

00:48:34.000 Whenever someone goes outside of that, and whenever someone starts making horrific, unfounded personal attacks because someone has a different political ideology or...

00:48:46.000 You know, just going after them every day, all day long.

00:48:50.000 Like, you're just broken.

00:48:52.000 You're on the wrong path, period.

00:48:54.000 And intelligent, aware people that have control of their emotions recognize that, and they're not going to take your perspective seriously.

00:49:01.000 So you're going to be less and less effective with what you do.

00:49:06.000 And in general, the failure mode is to paint the world, to draw a line between good and evil.

00:49:12.000 Yeah.

00:49:13.000 Yeah.

00:49:13.000 Whether it's the line in geography, Russians, Putin is evil.

00:49:17.000 Or if it's Trump, Trump is evil.

00:49:19.000 Right.

00:49:20.000 The version of that is Hitler. 0.88

00:49:21.000 So I'm a big proponent of Solzhenitsyn's famous, the author of Gulag Archipelago, that the line between good and evil runs to the heart of every man, that all of us have that in us.

00:49:37.000 Yes.

00:49:38.000 It is good to be humbled by that reality.

00:49:44.000 And if you are humbled by that reality, then you're not going to see any other people as purely evil or purely good.

00:49:51.000 All of that kind of thing is used to just hate others.

00:49:59.000 Yeah.

00:50:00.000 Yeah.

00:50:01.000 And even when it's unfounded.

00:50:03.000 You know, even like I'm watching the Pete Hegseth, the confirmation hearings, and they...

00:50:12.000 These ignorant people are going after his tattoo, not even knowing what the tattoo is, and trying to pretend that it's some sort of radical, hateful tattoo when it's just an ancient Christian tattoo.

00:50:27.000 It's so strange.

00:50:28.000 I mean, that tattoo's in churches.

00:50:31.000 That symbol's in churches.

00:50:33.000 That symbol's been around for a long fucking time.

00:50:37.000 It's just a Christian tattoo. 0.91

00:50:40.000 And I was watching the Piers Morgan show and Piers Morgan had Michael Knowles and these two super wack and Dave Rubin and two super wacky leftist people that didn't know what the tattoo was and they were criticizing it and Piers Morgan kept asking, what is the tattoo?

00:50:59.000 What is it?

00:50:59.000 Tell me what it is.

00:51:00.000 And the guy would go, you're not answering the question.

00:51:03.000 Go back to it.

00:51:03.000 What is it?

00:51:04.000 Well, let's look it up.

00:51:05.000 He's like, no, no, no, no.

00:51:06.000 Don't look it up.

00:51:06.000 I want you to tell me if you're saying it's offensive.

00:51:09.000 And so then the woman chimes in and Michael Knowles just clowns her, just absolutely knows the history of the tattoo, including like, you know, she's talking about it before it existed before Islam, you know, and she's criticizing what it is.

00:51:28.000 And he's like, do you understand that?

00:51:29.000 Islam didn't exist when this tattoo, when this symbol existed.

00:51:34.000 Like, it's not an anti-Muslim symbol because there was no Muslims when this symbol was created.

00:51:40.000 Like, this is bonkers.

00:51:43.000 And they're all in, digging their heels in, pretending, just trying to win this conversation.

00:51:49.000 Just trying to win.

00:51:50.000 And Pierce Morgan's doing that.

00:51:51.000 He's like the Jerry Springer of political ideology now.

00:51:54.000 He just has people get on the show and yell at each other.

00:51:56.000 It's very entertaining, and he gets great soundbites out of it.

00:51:59.000 It's kind of genius in terms of an engagement perspective.

00:52:02.000 If you looked at your show as just like, how do I get more engagement?

00:52:05.000 Well, that's how you do it.

00:52:07.000 You get some wacky leftists going to say nutty things.

00:52:09.000 You get some right-wing person that's going to say nutty.

00:52:13.000 I wish he did less of that.

00:52:15.000 I should say that Piers Morgan, I think, is a great interviewer.

00:52:18.000 Like, he's legit a great interviewer, but he also has...

00:52:22.000 He can put on his Jerry Springer hat on, too.

00:52:24.000 He's making money.

00:52:25.000 Listen, I mean...

00:52:26.000 I mean, he does both.

00:52:28.000 He does do long-form great interviews.

00:52:30.000 He's found his lane.

00:52:32.000 All right.

00:52:32.000 His name is Jerry Springer.

00:52:34.000 But he's doing a good job exposing these people.

00:52:37.000 It's very valuable.

00:52:38.000 Like, that conversation was very valuable for me.

00:52:41.000 Because, like, this is adorable.

00:52:42.000 Watching this guy, like, flounder around trying to come up with a reason why this tattoo is so offensive.

00:52:48.000 Yeah, but see, what I don't like about that is that guy is floundering, but there could be actually facets to that person outside of this ridiculousness.

00:52:57.000 That's interesting.

00:52:58.000 Right, so you've got to cleanse that from your mind, son.

00:53:02.000 They do.

00:53:02.000 If you want to be the guy who's on television talking about important issues, and you've got this stupid thing in your head where you're arguing about a tattoo that you don't even understand, you've got to cleanse that stupidity out of your fucking mind.

00:53:14.000 Sometimes the best way to do that is to get clowned on television.

00:53:18.000 So you got exposed, she got exposed, they both look like morons, and then Michael Nolas, who...

00:53:24.000 Did a fantastic job of like smiling, never raising his voice, calmly explaining it.

00:53:31.000 Have you seen it?

00:53:32.000 No, I haven't.

00:53:33.000 See if you can find it, Jamie.

00:53:34.000 It's pretty wonderful.

00:53:35.000 Michael Knowles is a pro.

00:53:37.000 He's a pro.

00:53:38.000 The way he handled it was remarkable.

00:53:40.000 I know people criticize that guy, but fucking people criticize everybody.

00:53:44.000 I'm just saying, in this moment...

00:53:46.000 Don't read the comments, Joe.

00:53:47.000 Yeah, don't read the comments.

00:53:48.000 Yeah.

00:53:50.000 Yeah, even about other people, right?

00:53:52.000 Well, that's the thing.

00:53:53.000 I think you said that you sometimes read comments from friends of yours.

00:53:57.000 Yeah, I don't even like doing that.

00:53:58.000 I try not to do that, too.

00:54:00.000 This is the thing that bothers me about comments, is I don't read them, but, like, I don't know, my mom will read them, and she'll text me something like, don't listen to what people say.

00:54:10.000 It's okay.

00:54:11.000 My mom will send me things.

00:54:13.000 Is this true?

00:54:14.000 I'm like, Mom, come on.

00:54:15.000 Yeah, this is it.

00:54:20.000 This is wonderful.

00:54:22.000 Watch this.

00:54:22.000 The two people on the far right of the screen, the lady in the pink jacket and the dude with the beard, they're fucked.

00:54:27.000 They got cooked.

00:54:28.000 You could accuse Pete of as being too alert and energetic.

00:54:31.000 I found it overwhelming, actually, while I was there, tired, trying to dust the sand out of my eyes.

00:54:37.000 But you suggest that the graduate of Princeton and Harvard, who for decades has been in the U.S. military, served his country honorably, that he's somehow unqualified to work at the Pentagon.

00:54:50.000 The most egregious accusation you make against him, though, is that he's an extremist because he has a tattoo.

00:54:55.000 Could you tell us what the tattoo is?

00:54:58.000 The tattoos, specifically, I did not make the allegation that he's an extremist.

00:55:02.000 It was actually his fellow colleague who called him as an insider threat.

00:55:07.000 Yeah, right.

00:55:07.000 So what's the tattoo?

00:55:08.000 It was not me.

00:55:08.000 I can tell you.

00:55:09.000 It was his fellow.

00:55:10.000 Hang on, let me try and answer.

00:55:11.000 Because he, would you raise the, hang on, would you raise the tattoo?

00:55:15.000 Go ahead.

00:55:16.000 It's a fair question.

00:55:17.000 What is this tattoo that you're saying about?

00:55:18.000 I mentioned the facts.

00:55:19.000 It was his colleague.

00:55:20.000 Wait, wait, wait.

00:55:21.000 Two things.

00:55:22.000 Simple question.

00:55:23.000 What is this tattoo that you're so upset about?

00:55:26.000 I wasn't the one upset about it.

00:55:28.000 I was talking about his fellow colleague.

00:55:30.000 This is exactly what I said.

00:55:31.000 His fellow colleague.

00:55:32.000 Do you know what it was?

00:55:32.000 In the U.S. Army, called him out as a potential insider threat looking at the tattoos on his chest.

00:55:38.000 What is the tattoo?

00:55:39.000 And also, I called him an extremist based upon his own book.

00:55:42.000 Read the book, American Crusade.

00:55:43.000 What is the tattoo?

00:55:44.000 His own words.

00:55:45.000 If you don't know what the tattoo is, just admit it.

00:55:47.000 Oh, my Lord.

00:55:52.000 Let the lady talk. 1.00

00:55:54.000 When the lady talks, it's even more brutal. 1.00

00:55:57.000 It's genuinely painful.

00:55:59.000 A woman hasn't spoken yet. 0.92

00:56:01.000 A woman hasn't spoken yet. 0.92

00:56:03.000 Let her speak. 0.94

00:56:04.000 A woman hasn't spoken yet. 0.92

00:56:07.000 I did hear him answer it, but they were all talking over each other.

00:56:11.000 Did I say the words?

00:56:13.000 Yeah, they weren't talking about the cross.

00:56:15.000 They're talking about a different tattoo.

00:56:16.000 Yeah, well, she is talking about that as well.

00:56:18.000 But it'll go on to that.

00:56:19.000 Do you actually know what that tattoo is or not?

00:56:22.000 Listen, what I do know is I read his book.

00:56:24.000 Do you?

00:56:25.000 Do you know or not?

00:56:26.000 American Crusade.

00:56:27.000 In his book.

00:56:28.000 Wait a second.

00:56:29.000 Be honest.

00:56:30.000 Be honest.

00:56:31.000 I am.

00:56:32.000 Look, this is Jerry Springer.

00:56:33.000 No one's going to crucify you if you don't know the answer.

00:56:37.000 But do you know the answer?

00:56:38.000 Putting our national security at risk for Pete Hexen.

00:56:41.000 I am telling you everything and you guys are finding ways to spend.

00:56:44.000 Why are you guys okay with a man who has an NDA with a woman that he allegedly sexually assaulted?

00:56:49.000 Do you know what the tattoo is that you got so upset about?

00:56:52.000 No, it goes further.

00:56:54.000 See if you can find where the woman's speaking because it gets even more brutal because she's incorrect. 0.99

00:56:59.000 And Michael Knowles corrects her.

00:57:01.000 And when he corrects her, it's fucking great.

00:57:04.000 It's a good way to expose.

00:57:05.000 See if you can find the other one, Jamie.

00:57:07.000 Very narrow.

00:57:08.000 I'm a change agent.

00:57:11.000 That's going to be in here.

00:57:12.000 I missed the whole show.

00:57:14.000 It's an hour-long show.

00:57:15.000 We're all talking the entire time.

00:57:16.000 Click right there.

00:57:17.000 I'll know where it is.

00:57:20.000 What is the answer?

00:57:22.000 This falls along a threat as an insider threat.

00:57:25.000 I'm going back to Michael.

00:57:26.000 You had 98 chances to answer and you failed the test.

00:57:32.000 Sorry.

00:57:32.000 I'm going to Michael.

00:57:34.000 I'm going to Michael.

00:57:35.000 Don't talk over each other.

00:57:37.000 Michael.

00:57:37.000 The tattoo in question is called a Jerusalem cross.

00:57:42.000 This is a medieval Christian symbol that goes back a long time.

00:57:45.000 In fact, at Jimmy Carter's funeral, there was a Jerusalem cross on the floor of the cathedral and on the program for the funeral.

00:57:51.000 There's one other tattoo that some have suggested could be extremist.

00:57:55.000 It's the phrase deus volt, which is a medieval Christian slogan, a long traditional slogan that refers to God's will, and it goes back a long way.

00:58:04.000 These are very traditional, very mainstream Christian symbols that not only are not extreme in any way, but which even the people who want to accuse him of extremism couldn't possibly name.

00:58:15.000 That is pathetic.

00:58:17.000 All right.

00:58:18.000 His insider guardsman did it, which is what I said, and also I said that he called himself too extreme for the U.S. military in his book.

00:58:25.000 That's pathetic.

00:58:26.000 Is Pete Hexteth lying that he's too extreme in his book?

00:58:29.000 Let me go to Julie. 0.93

00:58:30.000 He's too extreme for radical leftists.

00:58:32.000 Let me go to Julie. 0.93

00:58:33.000 Is he lying?

00:58:35.000 Be gentlemanly, please.

00:58:36.000 We have a lady who's not spoken.

00:58:38.000 Julie, be waiting very patiently.

00:58:39.000 Your view of this?

00:58:42.000 I'll tell you what, before you answer, I know you said in your sub stack about this, under normal circumstances, he, Pete Hexteth, would be precluded from serving...

00:58:51.000 In any leadership role.

00:58:53.000 So explain why you said that.

00:58:56.000 Well, let me...

00:58:57.000 I will explain in one second.

00:58:58.000 Let me go back to something that was said in the very beginning, that he spent more than 10 years at Fox News, and that's what qualifies him to be in this position that he wants to be in.

00:59:07.000 I spent more than 10 years at Fox News.

00:59:09.000 I don't think I'm qualified to run the DoD whatsoever based on my time at Fox News.

00:59:12.000 I didn't see that's what makes him.

00:59:13.000 I said that was one of the things.

00:59:14.000 If you...

00:59:15.000 Well, I don't think that's even a remote qualification.

00:59:18.000 That's one.

00:59:19.000 Being able to communicate ideas as the Secretary of Defense and explain policy is actually a very big part of the job.

00:59:25.000 There are plenty of qualified Republicans out there who can run the DoD who also are good on television.

00:59:33.000 It does not need to be Pete Hexeth.

00:59:36.000 Secondly...

00:59:36.000 Again, you talked about NDAs.

00:59:38.000 I am bound by an NDA at Fox News.

00:59:40.000 If I were not bound by an NDA and if Fox News wanted to release me from that NDA, I could tell you about my time with Pete Hexeth.

00:59:46.000 Unfortunately, that's not possible.

00:59:47.000 But I will say that the reason that there are so many people who anonymously came forward at Fox News is that because they're also bound by confidentiality provisions, which one-third of all American workers need to sign on their first day of work.

00:59:58.000 And if they were to go public, they could get sued.

01:00:01.000 The reason this accuser is not heard from is because, according to The New Yorker, She tried desperately to meet with Joni Ernst on the committee, and Joni Ernst turned her down.

01:00:12.000 So the reason that she has not been able to come out publicly is because she has an NDA, and even privately, she could not meet with a senator on this committee who is also a rape survivor to share her story, because that rape survivor did not want to hear from a woman who was going to put her potentially in a position to vote against Pete Hexeth.

01:00:31.000 Peter Hexeth has written himself while at Princeton saying that women who are passed out, if you have sex with them while they're unconscious, that's not really rape.

01:00:41.000 Right?

01:00:42.000 Now, the American military...

01:00:44.000 Is that written somewhere?

01:00:46.000 I don't know.

01:00:48.000 It doesn't sound true, but yeah.

01:00:50.000 Yeah, it's hard to say, but scoot ahead to where they start discussing the tattoo.

01:00:56.000 It's in the same flow.

01:00:57.000 It's not that far away.

01:01:00.000 This is definitely not a good format, though.

01:01:02.000 No.

01:01:03.000 Well, at least they're letting her talk.

01:01:04.000 You can just go have your way with them.

01:01:05.000 Not really.

01:01:06.000 So I don't know which soldiers you've been talking to who think Pete Hexeth is a great thing for the military.

01:01:11.000 There's not one woman out there who cares about being assaulted on deployment, who thinks that this is the person that needs to be in charge of the United States military. 1.00

01:01:21.000 And as for the cross that you talked about, yes, Deus Vult, which is the cross that he has, and the slogan that he has, is an old Christian cross.

01:01:29.000 The phrase, excuse me, the phrase.

01:01:31.000 The phrase, however, was uttered by Crusaders as they were slaughtering Jews and Muslims during the Second Crusade specifically.

01:01:40.000 So it's not just a random cross.

01:01:42.000 It's not just a random phrase.

01:01:43.000 It's not true.

01:01:46.000 The phrase was uttered after the Council of Claremont when Pope Urban II declared the Crusade.

01:01:52.000 It was actually probably Dieu le Voule, but it's been rendered in Latin as Deus Volta.

01:01:57.000 It has nothing to do with slaughtering Jews.

01:01:59.000 It has nothing to do with slaughtering Muslims because the Muslims had invaded Europe, not the other way around.

01:02:04.000 Oh, my God.

01:02:05.000 Are you really saying that the reason the crusade, which was sent to the Holy Land to liberate the Holy Land, from whom?

01:02:12.000 From Jews and Muslims. 0.96

01:02:13.000 The crusade began because the Eastern... 0.98

01:02:16.000 I'll tell you why the Crusade began.

01:02:18.000 Because the Eastern Emperor asked for help from the Western Pope because the Seljuk Turks were slaughtering Christians in the Holy Land. 0.97

01:02:25.000 Because those lands were Christian before the Muslims invaded in the 7th century.

01:02:29.000 So, that's why.

01:02:30.000 No, no, no.

01:02:31.000 Those Crusades...

01:02:32.000 Listen, those lands...

01:02:32.000 I'm sorry.

01:02:34.000 Those lands...

01:02:35.000 No, no.

01:02:37.000 Keep going.

01:02:38.000 Those lands became Christian after the first crusade, okay? 0.96

01:02:41.000 So let's be very clear.

01:02:42.000 The lands were Christian in the first and second centuries, and then the Muslims... 0.99

01:02:46.000 Islam didn't exist before the 7th century.

01:02:48.000 What are you talking about?

01:02:50.000 Okay, I could...

01:02:51.000 Listen, listen.

01:02:52.000 I can go all day if you want to talk about the crusades, but the point is...

01:02:55.000 I can't say it.

01:02:56.000 But what that has to do with...

01:03:02.000 What that has to do with Pete Hegseth is it's not that he has a random cross.

01:03:06.000 That talks about his faith in Jesus Christ.

01:03:08.000 He used a very specific terminology.

01:03:11.000 But putting all of that aside...

01:03:12.000 A phrase that was first uttered to defend persecuted Christians in the Middle East, just like they're being persecuted today.

01:03:16.000 Okay.

01:03:17.000 And that's who you want as a Secretary of Defense.

01:03:20.000 Wonderful.

01:03:22.000 If you want to talk about the Crusades...

01:03:25.000 Julie, finish your point, and I'll go to Dave to respond.

01:03:29.000 My point is that I cannot even...

01:03:30.000 I cannot even believe that something the Vatican apologized for is something you're defending, which is the slaughter of Jews and Muslims during the Crusades. 0.80

01:03:37.000 What did the Vatican apologize for?

01:03:38.000 Excuse me, the Vatican said the Crusades...

01:03:40.000 What are you talking about?

01:03:40.000 Oh, my Jesus.

01:03:41.000 You know what?

01:03:42.000 Why don't you give me a call after this, and I will walk you through exactly what the Vatican apologized for when it came to the treatment of Muslims during the Crusades.

01:03:49.000 Time out.

01:03:50.000 We'll do a separate Crusades debate another time.

01:03:52.000 Let me bring Dave Rubin in.

01:03:54.000 The worst way to have conversations.

01:03:55.000 I mean, I'm getting a headache from this.

01:03:57.000 Fuck these people.

01:03:59.000 Fuck that whole...

01:04:00.000 I'm sorry.

01:04:01.000 You can't talk like this.

01:04:04.000 Each of those individual people, I'm not sure about the second guy, even the woman, would be a fascinating four or five hour conversation.

01:04:11.000 You should probably have her on.

01:04:13.000 Her and Mackinoles and Piers Morgan, yes.

01:04:17.000 This is not the right...

01:04:18.000 I'm so exhausted of this fucking bullshit.

01:04:20.000 I know.

01:04:20.000 I can't.

01:04:21.000 I'm like angry right now.

01:04:22.000 Yeah, I know.

01:04:23.000 I want to play more for you.

01:04:26.000 Published a column saying sex with unconscious women is...

01:04:30.000 Jesus.

01:04:31.000 Imagine not just thinking that, but publishing it?

01:04:33.000 Yeah, I mean...

01:04:36.000 What did he actually say?

01:04:37.000 If you want to read it, we can read it.

01:04:40.000 Well, rape in quotes. 0.97

01:04:42.000 Intercourse.

01:04:44.000 Bemusing yet mandatory orientation program revolved entirely around whether in an instance of sexual intercourse constituted rape, the actual instance portrayed in the skit was in fact...

01:04:57.000 Oh, it was a skit?

01:04:58.000 In fact, not a clear case of rape, at least not in my home state.

01:05:02.000 So this is Hexis saying this.

01:05:04.000 In short, though intercourse was not consented to, there was no duress because the girl drank herself into unconsciousness.

01:05:11.000 Both criteria must be satisfied for rape. 1.00

01:05:13.000 Unfortunately, the panelists never cited any legal definition of rape.

01:05:17.000 Yet the panel, all females in the session I attended, claimed that rape it was. 1.00

01:05:23.000 Huh.

01:05:24.000 What year was this?

01:05:26.000 So are they talking about, this is what's confusing, are they talking, it says a skit, and then it says they're talking about a legal definition of rape?

01:05:36.000 Has the legal definition changed over the years?

01:05:39.000 Like, when was this?

01:05:41.000 Is he talking about a legal definition or is he talking about his own opinion?

01:05:44.000 Right, there's a giant difference between the two of them, right?

01:05:47.000 Especially if you take it something out of context, you don't know if he elaborated.

01:05:51.000 Article for his college newspaper saying that having sex with unconscious women isn't rape because the criteria for rape isn't met.

01:05:58.000 So this is in his college newspaper.

01:06:01.000 So how old is he?

01:06:02.000 Is he like 50?

01:06:03.000 How old is Pete Hegseth?

01:06:06.000 Yeah, he's up there, right?

01:06:10.000 Which is really weird to think that...

01:06:13.000 44. College would have been around 2000-ish.

01:06:15.000 Well, yeah.

01:06:17.000 I remember in...

01:06:20.000 2000-ish, I remember when we were doing the podcast, there was a brief moment of time where people were talking about if a man had sex with a woman and they had both been drinking, that it was rape.

01:06:33.000 That the woman could not consent because she was drunk.

01:06:37.000 But the man's drunk too.

01:06:39.000 So it gets weird.

01:06:41.000 We understand traditionally men are pursuing women.

01:06:45.000 And that plying someone with alcohol is...

01:06:49.000 A famous thing that people do.

01:06:52.000 It's kind of a weird legal thing.

01:06:53.000 Come on, one more drink, have another drink, have another drink.

01:06:56.000 And we all know that when people get drunk, they do stupid shit.

01:07:00.000 But we don't know what happened if you're both drunk.

01:07:06.000 You know, so this is what I'm getting at is that 2000, these conversations are already being had.

01:07:11.000 The question is like, is he saying this from his personal perspective?

01:07:17.000 Or is he saying it from a legal perspective?

01:07:19.000 I don't know what else was in the text.

01:07:22.000 You know, I'm trying to be as charitable as possible.

01:07:24.000 Because if, like, Moore was in the, like, that's a reprehensible act, that's, like, did he say anything like that?

01:07:29.000 Or was it just specifically talking about the legal definition?

01:07:33.000 Because he said in his state, right?

01:07:37.000 Also, it says, to be clear, he did not write it himself.

01:07:40.000 He published it.

01:07:42.000 Oh.

01:07:43.000 That's what this says.

01:07:43.000 In short, like I said, did not publish.

01:07:45.000 I'll put it up on screen.

01:07:47.000 He did not, or did publish such a column while he held the role of publisher.

01:07:50.000 He did not write it himself.

01:07:51.000 He did not write it.

01:07:52.000 It was written by someone else.

01:07:53.000 Okay, so he just published someone's opinions.

01:07:57.000 Okay, that's very different.

01:07:59.000 That's very, very, very different.

01:08:02.000 She said he said that.

01:08:04.000 That's not what he said at all.

01:08:06.000 See, that right there...

01:08:08.000 I'm just so exhausted.

01:08:09.000 That's exhausting.

01:08:10.000 Both, like, with the thing about Trump, with both sides...

01:08:13.000 But that right there is crazy, because my opinion of him shifted briefly when I was...

01:08:17.000 You know, I was watching Daniel Negreanu, you know, the great poker player, was on Tim Pool's show.

01:08:23.000 And they were talking about his shift in political ideologies, and then a lot of it came from...

01:08:30.000 When they were accusing Trump of saying that thing that Obama repeated falsely during the campaign was that he was talking about white nationalists and neo-Nazis and saying there's very fine people on both sides.

01:08:46.000 And Negrano had heard that.

01:08:48.000 He had heard the clip where Trump said it, where it was edited.

01:08:51.000 He had never seen the full thing.

01:08:52.000 And then once he saw the full thing, he was like, what the fuck?

01:08:56.000 And it immediately made him realize, oh, my God, they're lying.

01:09:00.000 They're lying.

01:09:01.000 And then he talked about how Obama repeated.

01:09:04.000 This is years after Daniel had known it was false.

01:09:08.000 Obama repeating it at the campaign speeches.

01:09:11.000 And then Obama's sitting right next to Trump and they're joking around with each other.

01:09:14.000 Hey, pal, I know you're a neo-Nazi lover.

01:09:17.000 You fucking rascal.

01:09:19.000 I had you win.

01:09:21.000 But just what that lady did on that show, and then when we find out that Hegseth didn't actually write that, he just published it.

01:09:29.000 You know, and he published it in college as a 20-year-old or whatever he was.

01:09:35.000 I think there should be also room for that lady to then change her mind and apologize. 1.00

01:09:40.000 Yes.

01:09:40.000 Because a lot of us parrot, including probably you and I. Never.

01:09:45.000 Yeah.

01:09:45.000 How dare you?

01:09:46.000 Parrot bullshit we see online.

01:09:47.000 Yeah, of course.

01:09:48.000 And then we should give each other room to like say, I fucked up.

01:09:53.000 But people don't want to say that.

01:09:55.000 This is what they have to understand.

01:09:56.000 Even people I don't like, listen to me.

01:09:59.000 There's strength in that.

01:10:01.000 It's better than digging your heels in.

01:10:04.000 There's strength in saying, I was uninformed or I was misinformed.

01:10:08.000 I fucked up.

01:10:09.000 I've said it before.

01:10:10.000 It's important to do.

01:10:11.000 You've got to do it.

01:10:12.000 Because you can't have an erroneous idea in your head and repeat it over and over again.

01:10:16.000 You can't have an incorrect, false opinion that you have defended and now you can't ever accept, even with new information that shows that it's not true.

01:10:26.000 I should also say, because it's fucking sitting in my head, on this topic.

01:10:32.000 I'm probably going to do like a five plus hour interview with Jack Weatherford on Genghis Khan.

01:10:37.000 And I read his book.

01:10:39.000 All right.

01:10:39.000 And I don't, I'm not proud of the way I formulated my, for the fuck of it.

01:10:45.000 In the beginning of it?

01:10:45.000 In the beginning.

01:10:46.000 I'm still bothered by the looseness with which I talked about rape.

01:10:51.000 There is, and I don't think I have.

01:10:55.000 In me, the eloquence or the skill to improve on that.

01:10:59.000 I think, in general, it's trying to find the right words to describe the historically accurate thing, the data that we have, and then the narratives.

01:11:14.000 I think the point Jack Weatherford makes is that we keep oscillating back and forth on Genghis Khan.

01:11:20.000 He's one, like, this epic...

01:11:23.000 Great conqueror, like, currently, Alexander the Great has that good vibes all around him.

01:11:28.000 Nobody talks about him as a horrible human.

01:11:31.000 Horrible human.

01:11:32.000 Yeah, but currently, Genghis Khan has this kind of barbarian, evil, just rapist.

01:11:41.000 Well, they're just so good at it.

01:11:43.000 They were so good at murder.

01:11:44.000 They were so good at war.

01:11:46.000 I mean, they're so uniquely good at military strategy.

01:11:50.000 So, it's about...

01:11:51.000 He always kept the army to about 100,000.

01:11:54.000 It's small.

01:11:55.000 So it's 100,000 horses.

01:11:57.000 Each soldier had five horses, so four spare horses with him.

01:12:00.000 So imagine it's 500,000 horses.

01:12:02.000 Which they used their blood to fuel them.

01:12:04.000 Yeah, they would.

01:12:05.000 They used that for food.

01:12:06.000 So it's very portable.

01:12:08.000 They're not bringing, logistically, the whole, I mean, just imagine this armada moving at like, they can move like 50 miles a day.

01:12:19.000 This entire army, and they don't have to follow the roads, which all the military would follow the roads.

01:12:24.000 So you can go around, you can surround, you can...

01:12:26.000 And they did the, as you know, they can retreat, feign retreat, and then attack from the sides.

01:12:32.000 It's the blitzkrieg that's the...

01:12:34.000 Genius stuff.

01:12:35.000 And a lot of people, including Dan Carlin, say it's the greatest military in history.

01:12:40.000 It would defeat every single military, including Napoleon.

01:12:44.000 With the muskets and everything.

01:12:45.000 Yeah.

01:12:45.000 They would destroy Napoleon.

01:12:47.000 And then, of course, in the 20th century.

01:12:49.000 You know who they didn't defeat?

01:12:51.000 Samurais.

01:12:54.000 Right.

01:12:54.000 But they never really fought.

01:12:56.000 They did.

01:12:56.000 Twice they fought, but it's not a real battle.

01:12:58.000 These guys are fucking crazy.

01:13:01.000 They thought they were crazy.

01:13:02.000 These guys were like practicing their whole lives for one-on-one combat with swords.

01:13:07.000 As far as I know, they never really had a full-on battle.

01:13:09.000 I wish they did.

01:13:10.000 There were some battles.

01:13:11.000 There was battles on an island, one of the islands outside of Japan.

01:13:14.000 But the Japanese successfully held off the Mongols. 0.83

01:13:17.000 And they were like one of the only civilizations to ever pull that off.

01:13:20.000 I think one of the issues with Mongols, except Kublai Khan, Is they were not good with water. 0.98

01:13:26.000 They didn't know how to...

01:13:27.000 The ship thing was not...

01:13:28.000 Oh.

01:13:30.000 What a big mistake.

01:13:31.000 Well, they...

01:13:32.000 Imagine if they got as good with water as they were with horses.

01:13:34.000 That would have been a real problem.

01:13:36.000 Well, a lot of things they had advantage on.

01:13:37.000 Like, for example, they can ride on ice.

01:13:39.000 And so...

01:13:40.000 How'd they do that?

01:13:42.000 They...

01:13:42.000 In Mongolia, they...

01:13:44.000 These people, like...

01:13:45.000 Did they have different horseshoes?

01:13:47.000 Did they even shoe their horses back then?

01:13:48.000 No, I don't think so.

01:13:50.000 Really?

01:13:50.000 No, no, no.

01:13:51.000 It's all...

01:13:51.000 Like, they don't have...

01:13:52.000 When do they start shoeing horses? 0.91

01:13:54.000 That's a good question.

01:13:57.000 But that doesn't feel like a Mongol thing.

01:13:59.000 I mean, people can ride...

01:14:01.000 The mounted archery.

01:14:03.000 I'm sure you know about this.

01:14:05.000 The mounted archery is so insane.

01:14:06.000 They had the ability to hang off the side of the horse so they would shoot from under the horse's neck.

01:14:13.000 So they were completely defended by the horse and they were shooting arrows.

01:14:18.000 And their bows were 160 pounds.

01:14:20.000 So you had to be insane.

01:14:22.000 They said that a lot of the skeletons they find from that era, their bones are deformed.

01:14:28.000 Because your whole body has just been pulling a hundred and sixty pounds with your right arm or your left arm like your whole life so your right side is like Insanely muscled and your bones are all twisted and thicker and denser tendons and everything because they've been doing that since they were children They were an insanely formidable army Insanely formidable.

01:14:53.000 But here's something to take into consideration when we're saying about how Genghis Khan's genes were spread.

01:15:02.000 Just right off the bat, it's all awful.

01:15:04.000 All horrible.

01:15:05.000 I wish no one ever got killed by anybody ever.

01:15:07.000 It's all awful.

01:15:08.000 All war is hell.

01:15:09.000 All of it.

01:15:10.000 All is hell.

01:15:11.000 There was so much of it going on throughout human history that women There was a survival mechanism in accepting this conqueror as your new husband when he slaughtered your husband. 0.98

01:15:27.000 It's the only way your genes passed on.

01:15:30.000 So these women were able, even if they said they fell in love with him, even if they did marry him, even if they were happy to marry him, there was...

01:15:40.000 Like almost an evolutionary requirement because we slaughtered each other so much that if you wanted your genes to pass on, you had to accept the slaughter of your former mate.

01:15:52.000 And then in modern day society, we would call that rape. 0.88

01:15:55.000 Right.

01:15:55.000 But you have to use different words for that time because there is rape where it's like violent.

01:16:05.000 Rape as part of war as part of a mechanism of terror I think even as just part of society up until like a few thousand years ago or even a few hundred years ago, I think human beings you know like I've had a bunch of friends who've served overseas and the stories they tell from Afghanistan especially with the child raping fucking bone curdling like you blood curdling You just want to leave the room when 0.55

01:16:35.000 they're talking.

01:16:36.000 You don't even want to hear this.

01:16:36.000 You don't want to think that this is happening.

01:16:38.000 And it's happening right now.

01:16:40.000 Because it's an old culture. 0.98

01:16:42.000 It's an old culture. 0.99

01:16:44.000 And it's separate from the rest of the world.

01:16:46.000 It's very remote.

01:16:48.000 Very difficult to access.

01:16:49.000 You have warlords and herders who are living in these nomadic tribes to this day.

01:16:54.000 Not much different than when Alexander the Great conquered it.

01:16:57.000 So I should say that Jenkins Kahn, from everything I understand, Was not progressive, but he was very pragmatic.

01:17:05.000 This is why he...

01:17:06.000 Allowed all religions.

01:17:08.000 All religions, which is Thomas Jefferson, I should say, deeply admired Genghis Khan for this, the freedom of religion.

01:17:16.000 And he didn't just say freedom of religion.

01:17:18.000 It's freedom of an individual to practice any religion they want, which is a...

01:17:23.000 It's like individualism.

01:17:24.000 It's a really revolutionary, badass idea for that time, for that place.

01:17:29.000 Well, he recognized strength, and the value of accepting strength, and there's strength in unity, there's strength in community.

01:17:37.000 If people can worship whatever they want, but all be united under one banner, it's better than dividing everybody.

01:17:45.000 And the feminist thing that I mentioned, he would put women in power. 1.00

01:17:50.000 Why?

01:17:50.000 Is he a feminist?

01:17:51.000 No, he understood that women are able to... 1.00

01:17:55.000 Men conquer better, in his perspective, and women rule better, because they keep a stable society.

01:18:03.000 So he would marry a woman to the king of the place, and then send the king off to fight, the ruler to fight, knowing for sure he's going to die.

01:18:15.000 But the woman is now ruling. 1.00

01:18:17.000 And then there's a lot of like...

01:18:18.000 Progressive things about, like, they were allowed to show their face, especially in the Persian lands where they conquered.

01:18:24.000 Like, they're allowed to wear these fancy headdresses, which is, you know...

01:18:29.000 Take a floss a little.

01:18:30.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:18:30.000 Six got excited about that.

01:18:32.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:18:32.000 New rules.

01:18:33.000 And the other thing, you know, on the...

01:18:36.000 The tricky thing is the Mongolian tribes, where Genghis Khan came up, by the way, came up from nothing.

01:18:46.000 Father slaughtered.

01:18:48.000 I mean, this is from nothing.

01:18:51.000 That was a common practice to steal wives, to steal women. 1.00

01:18:56.000 Well, he had one of his wives stolen and she came back pregnant. 0.80

01:18:59.000 That was like the origin story.

01:19:03.000 The origin story of Genghis Khan is like the love of his life who was married to him for his whole life that he proposed or he said, we're going to marry at nine years old.

01:19:17.000 She was kidnapped.

01:19:18.000 And he had to raise an army in order to rescue her back.

01:19:23.000 That was the split in the road.

01:19:28.000 He would have been a normal Mongol, but here he has to raise an army to rescue her back. 0.99

01:19:33.000 Wow.

01:19:33.000 And then he realized he's really fucking good at this whole wrestling thing.

01:19:37.000 But it started with, you know...

01:19:40.000 That's so crazy.

01:19:41.000 What?

01:19:42.000 Go ahead.

01:19:42.000 What I could find is that the horses were unshoed.

01:19:45.000 Unshoed. 0.99

01:19:45.000 But they did do something that... 0.99

01:19:47.000 This says here they use some sort of skin to cover it.

01:19:51.000 Interesting.

01:19:51.000 Horseshoes were around for at least 200 or 300 years before them, so they probably knew about them.

01:20:06.000 Skins. 0.95

01:20:07.000 That's interesting.

01:20:08.000 What you're saying about him developing the ability and like, hey, I'm really good at this.

01:20:12.000 Do you know that's exactly what happened with the Somali pirates?

01:20:16.000 Do you know the Somali pirates origin story?

01:20:18.000 No.

01:20:18.000 The Somali pirates called themselves the People's Coast Guard of Somalia.

01:20:22.000 They were defending their waters against Europeans dumping toxic waste in the ocean. 0.99

01:20:29.000 They were fishermen.

01:20:30.000 So they had found that these ships were dumping water and killing all their fish.

01:20:36.000 And so these motherfuckers, we're going to hold them responsible.

01:20:38.000 So they boarded these ships, kidnapped them, and said, hey, you have to pay us.

01:20:43.000 We've lost all this money from all our fish.

01:20:46.000 We don't have any fish.

01:20:47.000 Give us money or we'll kill these motherfuckers. 1.00

01:20:49.000 And they gave them money and they said, hey, let's start kidnapping people. 0.67

01:20:53.000 This is way better.

01:20:55.000 And then, you know, there's obviously there's a narcotic aspect to it because of cats.

01:21:00.000 Because the widespread use of this narcotic cat, which is like an amphetamine.

01:21:05.000 Is it a leaf?

01:21:06.000 K-H-A-T? That's like, you know, the guy on the boat.

01:21:10.000 Look, look at me.

01:21:11.000 I'm the captain now.

01:21:12.000 That guy's cracked out.

01:21:14.000 I mean, they're all real skinny.

01:21:16.000 And what's really important in that dynamic is who is the leader that emerges.

01:21:20.000 That's the interesting thing about Genghis Khan.

01:21:22.000 He became super powerful.

01:21:24.000 That person could have been...

01:21:27.000 Genghis Khan could have been a bunch of different people.

01:21:29.000 Right.

01:21:29.000 He instilled one of the really revolutionary things is meritocracy.

01:21:33.000 Right.

01:21:33.000 By the way, he appointed his kids.

01:21:38.000 Several people, including Marcus Aurelius, wrote fancy meditations.

01:21:42.000 He failed as an emperor by appointing his kids.

01:21:48.000 Before him, the five emperors all appointed generals based on merit.

01:21:55.000 So Genghis Khan always appointed based on merit.

01:21:57.000 Who's the best person here to lead the groups?

01:22:02.000 Which is a revolutionary idea for the time because it was usually based on kin.

01:22:06.000 Like your relationship, your brothers, your sisters, your father, so on.

01:22:10.000 That was really important.

01:22:11.000 And the other thing I mentioned about the tribes, the origin story, is everybody would kidnap and actual rape the women.

01:22:21.000 They would steal women in the Mongol Empire. 0.98

01:22:23.000 As soon as he won over the entire original Mongolia, he banned.

01:22:30.000 That was a strict rule.

01:22:31.000 There's no kidnapping of wives. 0.99

01:22:33.000 That was a rule for Mongolia, and that rule propagated everywhere.

01:22:38.000 That's wild.

01:22:39.000 It's like, this is what got us into this shit.

01:22:40.000 Yeah.

01:22:42.000 Which is one of the pieces of evidence where there was a lot of cracking down on the whole rape thing.

01:22:49.000 But...

01:22:50.000 There's a caveat of, like, well, why is there so many dead bodies where, like, the atmosphere changed?

01:22:56.000 Yeah.

01:22:57.000 Why is the carbon footprint different of the human race during the time that he was alive?

01:23:01.000 But it's interesting because we also have to look at things in a perspective of living in the year 1200. Or what is it?

01:23:09.000 1240s? 0.63

01:23:09.000 Like, when was he around? 0.63

01:23:12.000 I should know this.

01:23:12.000 12 or 13. Yeah.

01:23:17.000 Well, Jamie will find out.

01:23:19.000 You have to.

01:23:19.000 It's very hard to do and it's not apologizing for these people.

01:23:22.000 I'm not like saying that we should apply the way they looked at the world today.

01:23:26.000 I think the way we look at the world is infinitely better and we're moving in an infinitely better direction.

01:23:30.000 And I think we have like large extremes that go in one direction and things push back in the other direction too far.

01:23:36.000 There's an overcorrection and then they balance out.

01:23:39.000 I think we're generally moving in a direction of a more kind, more peaceful society.

01:23:44.000 I think we're better.

01:23:46.000 That said.

01:23:48.000 Twelve hundred years ago, the world was hell.

01:23:50.000 There was no newspapers.

01:23:51.000 No one could read.

01:23:51.000 Okay, where did you get your information from?

01:23:54.000 You got your information from priests and from generals and, you know, you shared information of your farmers.

01:23:59.000 The world was horrific.

01:24:03.000 People fought with bows and arrows and cannons and catapults and murder was commonplace.

01:24:10.000 If you were twelve years old, you've probably seen a few people killed already.

01:24:13.000 It was a different time to be alive.

01:24:16.000 Diseases would kill everybody.

01:24:18.000 There was no medicine.

01:24:19.000 You broke your leg, you're dead.

01:24:21.000 You know, you get infected, you're dead.

01:24:23.000 It was just, the world was a very, very different place.

01:24:28.000 It was so, so dangerous and so fucking terrifying, and people relied on their base instincts.

01:24:35.000 And the worst aspects of humanity, they relied on that to survive because that was all around you.

01:24:43.000 You had to become a monster if you wanted to live in monstrous times.

01:24:47.000 And that's why the rule of law had to be enforced in a brutal way.

01:24:51.000 One of the really powerful things he did is protect merchants, people that traded.

01:24:55.000 If you fuck with people that trade, that...

01:24:59.000 On the Silk Road, you're going to get slaughtered.

01:25:03.000 It's not like there's going to be a process.

01:25:05.000 You get slaughtered.

01:25:06.000 In fact, one of the reasons, I hesitate to say this because people are projecting to the future, but he took Kiev and slaughtered people because they broke the rule of, I forget the term for this, but the people that are sent out to communicate.

01:25:27.000 Before the battle starts.

01:25:28.000 The ambassadors.

01:25:30.000 The rule is you don't fuck with them.

01:25:34.000 And the Kievan residents killed them.

01:25:38.000 And that's where you break the rule.

01:25:41.000 It's like, that's it.

01:25:43.000 Then it's total war.

01:25:44.000 And you had to do that.

01:25:45.000 I mean, you don't have to do that, but that is one of the...

01:25:48.000 Well, if you're living back then, you have to do that.

01:25:50.000 And then you look at, like...

01:25:53.000 But the result is complete slaughter.

01:25:56.000 And by the way, thank you for rescuing me.

01:26:02.000 I said a bunch of stupid shit, and you're adding more complexity and depth and nuance.

01:26:07.000 Well, we just got started.

01:26:09.000 I love you, brother.

01:26:10.000 I love you, too.

01:26:11.000 I love you to death, man.

01:26:12.000 You know how you, when you begin a podcast, I don't know if you're like this, but for me, I gotta get cooking.

01:26:20.000 You know, sometimes that's one of the reasons why I like to talk to people.

01:26:23.000 I like to talk sometimes like 15 minutes even before we go on air.

01:26:26.000 The danger is they're going to say something and I'm going to ask them to repeat it.

01:26:29.000 I don't want that.

01:26:30.000 So sometimes I'll come in hot and I'm like, let's just go right now.

01:26:35.000 But your brain, you don't know we're going to talk about the Mongols and rape, right? 0.58

01:26:41.000 And so then all of a sudden you were in this very intense conversation.

01:26:46.000 About the responsibility you have as a podcaster, which is a crazy thing to say.

01:26:50.000 But you do.

01:26:51.000 You have probably more responsibility than anybody.

01:26:53.000 And then this subject comes up in the middle of that.

01:26:57.000 And then you're like...

01:26:59.000 And before that, we were joking about ejaculating in space.

01:27:04.000 Yeah, that's how we started it.

01:27:06.000 Bro, I mean, we used to open up some of the most serious conversations this podcast ever had with a Fleshlight ad.

01:27:12.000 Yeah.

01:27:14.000 The early days of the podcast, that was the only sponsor we had.

01:27:17.000 So it's like, you know, this is, again, you reacting to criticism, right?

01:27:26.000 So it's like the fear of the criticism of you yourself knowing you could have done a better job of explaining that had you prepared something, which is really the difference between off-the-cuff conversations and like...

01:27:39.000 Your actual well-considered thoughts on things expressed in the best way possible, which is what you would do if you're going to write it out, if you're going to write a Substack piece about it.

01:27:48.000 Well, one of the things I'm trying to do for myself personally, I think a lot of people have to do this, young kids have to do this, is figure out how to create a psychological framework where I'm not affected by the internet.

01:28:01.000 It sounds like ridiculous to say, but you say don't read the comments, but they come at you.

01:28:07.000 They'll find their way.

01:28:09.000 It doesn't work.

01:28:13.000 Nobody's good at it.

01:28:14.000 Even Elon's not good at it.

01:28:15.000 Just post and ghost.

01:28:16.000 Post and ghost.

01:28:17.000 Post things that you think are interesting and just get out of there.

01:28:20.000 Don't read stuff about yourself.

01:28:22.000 Someone said this.

01:28:23.000 I think it was Anthony Hopkins.

01:28:24.000 He was talking about someone's opinion of him.

01:28:25.000 He said, that doesn't concern me.

01:28:28.000 No.

01:28:29.000 Was it Anthony Hopkins?

01:28:30.000 I think it was.

01:28:31.000 But he was like, their opinions of me are not my business.

01:28:35.000 But let's add to this little puzzle.

01:28:38.000 What if a bunch of your friends, say you're getting canceled online.

01:28:41.000 By the way, Tucker Carlson is good at this.

01:28:43.000 He doesn't read anything.

01:28:45.000 Yeah, he doesn't even have social media.

01:28:47.000 I know.

01:28:48.000 I always want to send him things.

01:28:49.000 I'm like, this motherfucker's not even going to look at this.

01:28:52.000 What if all your friends have read the thing?

01:28:55.000 Right?

01:28:56.000 Or your parents or so on, your loved ones.

01:29:01.000 And the thing could be just a bunch of lies about you.

01:29:05.000 Sure.

01:29:06.000 For me, that's a little bit of a tricky thing.

01:29:10.000 Well, that's not something you should ignore, right?

01:29:12.000 If you want to make a statement, there's nothing wrong with that.

01:29:15.000 What I'm saying is don't regularly engage in people's opinions of the product that you put out.

01:29:21.000 Yeah.

01:29:22.000 I don't think it's healthy for you, because I think, first of all, I've said this before, I'm only kind of joking, but I'm kind of serious.

01:29:29.000 Most people commenting are losers.

01:29:32.000 Sorry.

01:29:33.000 If you're doing it all the time, and you're doing it in a negative way all the time, this is not everybody.

01:29:37.000 There's a lot of really well-thought-out commentary on YouTube videos that I see, if occasionally I'll read someone's Instagram page, and I'll read my friends' comments.

01:29:47.000 Some people are brilliant.

01:29:48.000 Don't get me wrong.

01:29:50.000 It is a haven for fuckheads.

01:29:53.000 It's a place where people can go and just try to insult people and say the most negative thing possible.

01:29:59.000 And they generally, I think, there's generally a lot of, like, dull-minded people that gravitate towards the negativity.

01:30:08.000 You know where that differs is Christians, which is interesting.

01:30:13.000 Like, a lot of, like...

01:30:15.000 Low-wattage Christians are still super nice.

01:30:20.000 And they'll just praise Jesus and look for forgiveness.

01:30:22.000 The real ones, right?

01:30:24.000 Which is a great thing that we should all aspire to.

01:30:25.000 Yeah, like the default state is super nice.

01:30:27.000 Yes, the default state.

01:30:29.000 What you're supposed to do, if you really follow Jesus' teaching, is be completely non-violent and be a beautiful person and love everybody like it's your brother.

01:30:36.000 That's what he wants.

01:30:39.000 And if you follow that.

01:30:41.000 There's just too many assholes and too many disgruntled people out there that have terrible lives.

01:30:48.000 You know, the most men lead lives of quiet desperation, the Thoreau line that I fucking love so dearly.

01:30:54.000 It's such a great line.

01:30:55.000 That's so true and maybe even more true today because of the unnatural world in which we're thrust in.

01:31:03.000 So not only are people doing things that they hate most of the time, but they're also engaging.

01:31:09.000 With their phone more than they are with people.

01:31:11.000 So they're engaging in this very bizarre, non-physical way that is detached from any human interaction, detached from emotions, eye contact, the feel of being with someone, the back and forth of a conversation between two people.

01:31:26.000 Like if you and I were going to disagree about something, if there was like some political thing or some social thing that you and I disagreed about, we could sit And just, I want to know why you think the way you think.

01:31:40.000 Like, I want to know.

01:31:41.000 Like, if you think a thing and I disagree with it, the first thing I want to know is, and this is not something I always had.

01:31:47.000 I got way better at this in my life as I've gotten older and had more conversations with people.

01:31:52.000 You got to, like, absolutely know what this person thinks.

01:31:57.000 Don't, like, attack it.

01:31:59.000 Don't twist it around.

01:32:00.000 Don't distort it.

01:32:02.000 You have to kind of steel man it.

01:32:04.000 You have to be as charitable to that position as possible.

01:32:07.000 And then occasionally, when you find things that you disagree with, you have to stop and you have to say, okay, here's my problem with this.

01:32:15.000 And it has to be done in good faith.

01:32:17.000 You have to be doing it not to win.

01:32:19.000 You have to be doing it to figure out what's right.

01:32:22.000 And everybody's so fucking attached to their opinions and their ideology that...

01:32:27.000 Most of the time, most conversations are had where one person, at least on social media, one person is trying to win.

01:32:35.000 You're trying to win all the time.

01:32:36.000 You're playing this stupid game.

01:32:38.000 It's a dumbass game where everybody's a loser.

01:32:40.000 But we just watched the Piers Morgan thing.

01:32:42.000 That's the same thing.

01:32:42.000 It clearly pulled in your attention.

01:32:44.000 I love it.

01:32:45.000 You're aware of it.

01:32:45.000 See, you love it.

01:32:46.000 You're part of the problem, Joe.

01:32:49.000 Oh, 100%.

01:32:50.000 I'm a huge part of the problem.

01:32:51.000 Don't get me wrong.

01:32:52.000 Meaning you're a human being.

01:32:54.000 Well, yeah.

01:32:54.000 Also, how much do I contribute to people wasting their time?

01:32:58.000 TikTok reels, Instagram reels, Twitter things.

01:33:02.000 How many fucking Twitter articles get written about every stupid thing I said?

01:33:05.000 I mean, for three days, Dragon Believer was trending.

01:33:13.000 Just because some wacky old lady thinks I believe in dragons. 1.00

01:33:16.000 But this is just the nature of the world.

01:33:18.000 I love that aspect of the internet.

01:33:20.000 I love the wacky shit.

01:33:22.000 Even the Ukraine war footage, which is horrible, what it's doing is giving you a more nuanced version of the world.

01:33:30.000 And some of it's not good.

01:33:32.000 Like, I watched a video today of a guy who got killed by a tiger.

01:33:35.000 Well, he didn't get killed by a tiger.

01:33:36.000 He got torn apart by a tiger.

01:33:38.000 The wounds, man.

01:33:40.000 The wounds that this guy, like, I didn't think, like, what would a tiger do to you if a tiger bit your face?

01:33:44.000 You want to say?

01:33:45.000 Yeah.

01:33:45.000 Yeah, you do.

01:33:46.000 I know you do.

01:33:46.000 Because I'm...

01:33:47.000 You get a little curious.

01:33:49.000 I'm switching over to Android, buddy.

01:33:51.000 Welcome.

01:33:52.000 Yeah, I just have a few more steps that I have to do before I switch over, and I'm going to try to communicate only with encrypted apps from now on.

01:34:03.000 Hey, is WhatsApp still?

01:34:04.000 It's just sort of like limiting Twitter replies to registered accounts.

01:34:10.000 You know, people like to do that.

01:34:13.000 I'm going to try to do that.

01:34:14.000 I'm going to try to use WhatsApp for everything.

01:34:16.000 I was going to use Signal, but...

01:34:18.000 Yeah.

01:34:20.000 I don't know.

01:34:20.000 The people that use Signal, I don't know.

01:34:22.000 It seems too secret squirrel.

01:34:25.000 I don't even know what that means, but yeah.

01:34:27.000 You know, like you're a spy of using Signal.

01:34:29.000 I use it, though.

01:34:30.000 I use it all the time.

01:34:31.000 I mean, I'm totally being hypocritical here.

01:34:33.000 What was I looking at?

01:34:34.000 Oh, the tiger thing.

01:34:35.000 Bro, this one's rough.

01:34:38.000 This one's rough.

01:34:41.000 This is Tom Segura.

01:34:44.000 I sent it to him today.

01:34:45.000 Tom Segura and I send each other every day the worst shit that we can find on the internet.

01:34:48.000 And it has been, like, legitimately, it's been one of the worst aspects of modern life for me.

01:34:57.000 It's like, every fucking day, me and Tom are sending each other guys getting killed by assassins.

01:35:04.000 Nice.

01:35:05.000 It's every day.

01:35:07.000 There's so many footage, so many videos of cartel members whacking people.

01:35:13.000 After a while, you're like, holy shit, I don't know if I could do this anymore.

01:35:18.000 Every day, someone's getting run over by a truck.

01:35:20.000 Every day.

01:35:21.000 So here it is.

01:35:23.000 So this guy, they're shooting at the...

01:35:24.000 Give me some volume so I can hear this.

01:35:28.000 So they shot at the Tigers just before this because this guy had been bitten up.

01:35:33.000 And so, see, they're shooting at him right now, and the target's like, nah, bitch. 1.00

01:35:40.000 And the Tigers just biting down on this guy.

01:35:43.000 So this is what the guy looked like.

01:35:52.000 This is his wounds.

01:35:56.000 Wow.

01:35:58.000 Bro.

01:36:00.000 Look at his head.

01:36:02.000 I mean, his bone is exposed.

01:36:04.000 No, he's moving.

01:36:05.000 Yeah, no, he's alive, dude.

01:36:06.000 What the fuck?

01:36:07.000 Look at his face.

01:36:08.000 Watch this show his face.

01:36:09.000 So this guy climbed into a wildlife enclosure.

01:36:19.000 Those were not wild tigers.

01:36:21.000 It was, uh, they were, you know, I don't want to say tamed.

01:36:25.000 They're not tamed, but they're in some way.

01:36:28.000 At least minimized in their effectiveness.

01:36:32.000 Our buddy Paul sent me that.

01:36:35.000 Paul Rosalie sent me that.

01:36:36.000 Oh yeah, so this does remind me of the jungle.

01:36:39.000 Yeah.

01:36:40.000 Our buddy Paul is fearless.

01:36:43.000 He's a bad motherfucker.

01:36:45.000 Paul Rosalie's a bad motherfucker. 1.00

01:36:48.000 That guy is...

01:36:49.000 Literally putting his money where his mouth is, where his life is, trying to save the Amazon.

01:36:56.000 Living in it.

01:36:58.000 Helping people.

01:37:01.000 Hiring people to guard it.

01:37:03.000 Taking people that were chopping the wood, chopping the trees down, and then giving them a new job to protect the trees.

01:37:09.000 It's fucking amazing.

01:37:11.000 And he feels the pain.

01:37:12.000 He literally physically feels the pain of lost trees.

01:37:16.000 He sent me something.

01:37:16.000 I don't even know if I'm allowed to talk about it.

01:37:20.000 If we're not, I'll edit it out afterwards.

01:37:23.000 But he sent me a video.

01:37:24.000 I can't show the video, but he sent me a video of an uncontacted tribe that he discovered.

01:37:28.000 Yeah.

01:37:29.000 Did he send you that?

01:37:30.000 Yeah.

01:37:31.000 Fucking insane.

01:37:33.000 Yeah, it's insane.

01:37:34.000 Just complete uncontacted tribe naked in the forest, hundreds of them. 0.86

01:37:40.000 And they're like pushing these boats filled with bananas out to them to give them food.

01:37:44.000 The reason, we could probably talk about it, they try not to show it so people don't show up and try to find them.

01:37:50.000 Exactly.

01:37:51.000 You want to kind of protect them.

01:37:52.000 Exactly.

01:37:52.000 That's why I don't know if we could even talk about it.

01:37:54.000 But he has brought up the uncontacted tribes before on the show.

01:37:57.000 And one of his friends was murdered by one.

01:38:00.000 One of the tribes, he was, these guys drop off food to these people.

01:38:04.000 One day they're like, you know what?

01:38:05.000 Enough.

01:38:06.000 Whap.

01:38:07.000 I'm just going to kill you.

01:38:08.000 Fuck you.

01:38:08.000 I don't trust you.

01:38:09.000 Yeah, we hung out.

01:38:11.000 We talked to a guy that works with Paul that has like a scar from a spear.

01:38:17.000 Jeez.

01:38:18.000 Jeez.

01:38:20.000 Bro.

01:38:21.000 At least 100 uncontacted groups in the rainforest.

01:38:24.000 Unbelievable, man.

01:38:26.000 They're living like they were living 20,000 years ago.

01:38:29.000 Maybe even more.

01:38:30.000 You know?

01:38:31.000 Completely uncontacted.

01:38:33.000 That is...

01:38:34.000 That is, to me, one of the most fascinating aspects of human life today.

01:38:39.000 It's not just that we're on the verge of quantum computing and AI becoming sentient.

01:38:45.000 We're coexisting at the same time with people that have a completely subsistence-based lifestyle with the stuff that's around them.

01:38:57.000 You know, stone tools, literally.

01:39:00.000 Pointed sticks for spears.

01:39:02.000 That they've been doing this for thousands and thousands of years.

01:39:07.000 And they're living at the same time as smartphone addiction.

01:39:11.000 Not only that, those people probably, their roots go, they could be the original civilization.

01:39:17.000 I mean, I believe that there is...

01:39:19.000 Look at that.

01:39:20.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:39:22.000 Look at those people.

01:39:23.000 That is so wild.

01:39:24.000 This is taken in June, I think.

01:39:26.000 Man, that would be so...

01:39:27.000 If you could just be a fucking fly on the wall and observe that life without interfering somehow, just remotely.

01:39:34.000 God, that would be so incredible.

01:39:36.000 You would be doing what the aliens are doing right now.

01:39:38.000 I think that is what they're doing.

01:39:39.000 I think it's real similar.

01:39:40.000 I really do.

01:39:42.000 I think if you just looked at the natural progression of human beings and what we're talking about with quantum computing and AI and the technological innovations that are...

01:39:51.000 Without doubt gonna hit us like a tsunami over the next 20 years 30 years whatever it is we What are we gonna become?

01:40:00.000 We're gonna become what they are the same kind of thing and if there was a planet that had something like us That's emerging and just figuring out how to split the atom and you know and still involved in tribal warfare A primate that's still involved with tribal warfare but now has nuclear bombs. 0.55

01:40:16.000 That's us.

01:40:17.000 Also dick pics.

01:40:19.000 Also OnlyFans.

01:40:21.000 Also just massive social media addicts all over the entire planet while we're engaging in tribal warfare with hypersonic weapons.

01:40:31.000 So they would be studying us the same way we're studying these folks.

01:40:35.000 Same thing, you know?

01:40:36.000 When we find out a guy got hit with a spear, like, oh, fuck, what happened?

01:40:40.000 These people are crazy.

01:40:42.000 Like, you gotta be careful.

01:40:42.000 Like, when Paul was saying that they were there and they realized that the tribe was close, like they were starting to hear things, and they realized they were probably being hunted, and they just got the fuck out of there as quick as they could, that's terrifying.

01:40:56.000 I do not want to wake up to news on my feed that Paul Rosalie got killed by an uncontacted tribe.

01:41:05.000 I mean, that guy leaps into adventure.

01:41:08.000 I've gotten the chance to hang out with him, and it's great.

01:41:11.000 There's certain people...

01:41:12.000 I haven't met many people like him in the way that you've described, but also in the way where he sees...

01:41:18.000 Elon is a little bit like this, actually.

01:41:21.000 He sees the opportunity for adventure, and he just leaps into it.

01:41:25.000 There's not like a...

01:41:26.000 Deep, deliberate process of strategy and planning and so on.

01:41:30.000 It's just something pulls at him.

01:41:32.000 And that's a really fun person to be with.

01:41:34.000 But couple that with just extreme competence.

01:41:37.000 Like, he's good at surviving.

01:41:39.000 He's good at taking risks and good at surviving.

01:41:45.000 So, like, the uncontacted tribes or the crazy shit we did in the jungle, just, like, getting lost.

01:41:52.000 And he's a really nice guy.

01:41:54.000 Super nice.

01:41:55.000 A really nice guy and it's just like there's something to that.

01:41:59.000 He's an actual good person.

01:42:00.000 He's really doing this for a good cause.

01:42:03.000 Yeah, and it's not just the Amazon rainforest.

01:42:07.000 He's also going to Africa and India and sort of trying to save nature.

01:42:14.000 I mean, you go out hunting.

01:42:17.000 The forest is a bit different than the Amazon rainforest.

01:42:21.000 Their life is real intense.

01:42:25.000 You're in the middle of a soup of life.

01:42:29.000 When you have that much life, just think about the amount of insects.

01:42:34.000 You were around it, the buzzing at night.

01:42:36.000 Explain that, what that sounds like.

01:42:39.000 It's an orchestra.

01:42:40.000 Millions of little organisms.

01:42:43.000 Screaming.

01:42:44.000 There's no silence at night.

01:42:46.000 They're all fucking.

01:42:48.000 They're all screaming and fucking and killing each other. 0.84

01:42:51.000 Yeah.

01:42:52.000 And it's all life eats life all around you.

01:42:55.000 It's life eating life.

01:42:56.000 And one of the ways to experience that is the sound.

01:43:00.000 The other way is just standing there, stuff starts crawling on you pretty quickly.

01:43:07.000 Did you get bit by a bullet ant?

01:43:09.000 No, but step very close to it.

01:43:13.000 There's a lot.

01:43:13.000 I want to get bit by one.

01:43:16.000 In the context here, I would love to get bit by one.

01:43:20.000 Would you do it on the podcast?

01:43:21.000 If we brought in bullet dance?

01:43:22.000 Let's go.

01:43:24.000 You have to take a day off of everything else, I think.

01:43:27.000 What are you, a pussy? 1.00

01:43:29.000 I think you do.

01:43:30.000 I think you don't want to be interviewing some person about AI just sweating.

01:43:34.000 Just sweating in agony.

01:43:37.000 Everybody likes to think they have super high pain tolerance.

01:43:39.000 You know that about men?

01:43:40.000 It's fun.

01:43:42.000 Men always like to think, oh man, I got fucking crazy pain tolerance.

01:43:45.000 Meanwhile, don't women have a much higher pain tolerance? 1.00

01:43:48.000 Much higher.

01:43:48.000 You know what's the highest?

01:43:50.000 Redheaded women. 1.00

01:43:51.000 Oh, that explains a lot.

01:43:56.000 This is up for debate.

01:43:58.000 But I sent Jamie something recently.

01:43:59.000 Do you remember that thing I sent you?

01:44:00.000 So we were talking about it on the podcast multiple times because I had read that, that they had a higher pain threshold.

01:44:05.000 I'm like, that's weird.

01:44:06.000 I wonder why.

01:44:07.000 Well, because everybody's been fucking with gingers forever. 1.00

01:44:10.000 They've been beating their ass.

01:44:11.000 They're like an MMA guy who's got two older brothers.

01:44:14.000 They can take it.

01:44:16.000 The scariest MMA fighters have older brothers who used to beat them up.

01:44:20.000 Because they're ready to fucking throw down all the time.

01:44:23.000 Like the scariest guys or abusive stepdad.

01:44:26.000 Those two.

01:44:28.000 That makes a scary guy.

01:44:29.000 Or abusive father.

01:44:30.000 The guys that I know that are the fucking scariest, they had abusive dads.

01:44:35.000 They had people that beat them up when they were young.

01:44:37.000 They just get fucking used to going, just ready to go.

01:44:40.000 They don't have a fear of going, they want to go.

01:44:42.000 They want to go all the time.

01:44:44.000 Let's fucking go.

01:44:45.000 Like, they've just been, that's the only way to survive.

01:44:48.000 If you're a kid, and you have a brother who's four years old, and your dad is a raging alcoholic, and he beats your mom in front of you, and your brother beats your ass too.

01:44:57.000 Like, fuck, man.

01:44:58.000 You better be hard, or you're not gonna make it.

01:45:00.000 There's no pillow to cry into, man.

01:45:02.000 You gotta fight your brother.

01:45:03.000 He's four years older than you.

01:45:04.000 He might knock you out today.

01:45:06.000 He knocked you out last week.

01:45:07.000 He laughs at you when you're on your back.

01:45:10.000 Yeah.

01:45:10.000 I mean, not to return to the topic, but Genghis Khan murdered his older brother because he was picking on him.

01:45:16.000 Because he stole his fish.

01:45:17.000 Stole his fish.

01:45:18.000 Yeah, he said, fuck you.

01:45:20.000 Shot him with a bow and arrow.

01:45:21.000 The mom freaked out.

01:45:22.000 Yeah.

01:45:22.000 Called him a monster.

01:45:23.000 Yeah.

01:45:24.000 She was right.

01:45:26.000 Well, also, you learn how to kill your brother when you're, you know, what was he, six?

01:45:31.000 Wasn't he?

01:45:31.000 Yeah, something like that.

01:45:32.000 Something like that, yeah.

01:45:33.000 And he gets married at nine.

01:45:35.000 Yeah, you're getting off on the wrong foot.

01:45:38.000 And conquers an empire at 16. But they didn't expect you to live past 30, you know?

01:45:43.000 If you got to 30, you were an old fuck back then. 0.99

01:45:45.000 Meanwhile, he lived, like, into his 60s, I think.

01:45:47.000 Yeah, he lived really long, and he was consulting with monks because he was trying to figure out how to live longer, how to live forever.

01:45:55.000 He felt the iron ebbing from his blood.

01:45:59.000 He felt the body weaken.

01:46:01.000 He wanted to be on TRT. He'd be fucking great.

01:46:04.000 Meanwhile, his kids are kind of disappointing.

01:46:08.000 Well, of course.

01:46:09.000 Isn't that always the case?

01:46:11.000 That's the thing.

01:46:12.000 Show me a man who's a great man who's the son of a great man.

01:46:17.000 It's tough.

01:46:18.000 It's tough.

01:46:19.000 It's a hard road.

01:46:20.000 I mean, you have to have a very exceptional father who recognizes the requirements that this kid is going to go through if you're fucking Genghis Khan's son.

01:46:28.000 And meanwhile, you're also running an empire.

01:46:30.000 Like, raising kids is...

01:46:33.000 It is a very involving thing.

01:46:36.000 And it's a nuanced thing.

01:46:38.000 And you have to know which ones to push and which ones to just let them be themselves, which ones to support, which ones to encourage, and how to encourage and how to...

01:46:48.000 How to instill discipline, how to show them how important it is to feel the pain of loss and to feel like failure and to understand that this doesn't make you a bad person.

01:47:00.000 These are just the lessons of life and the energy that comes with doing something well and throwing yourself into something and finding success versus half-assing your existence and feeling filled with misery and regret.

01:47:12.000 And that's a difficult thing when you're sleeping on silk sheets.

01:47:17.000 You know, that was like what Marvin Hagley used to talk about.

01:47:21.000 Like, you know, it's hard to get up in the morning and run when you're sleeping in silk sheets.

01:47:25.000 He was talking about the pull of as you become successful, boxers get softer.

01:47:30.000 And it's because they start getting rich.

01:47:32.000 You know, and then, you know, just chill a little bit.

01:47:35.000 Well, if you have a son then, and the son's growing up rich, and you're chill, like, fuck, man.

01:47:41.000 Like, you want to make a conqueror?

01:47:42.000 You want to make a champion fighter?

01:47:48.000 Rough childhood.

01:47:49.000 I don't think you should do it.

01:47:50.000 Definitely shouldn't be mean to your kid, just so that they can be a badass fighter.

01:47:55.000 Well, I think it's also, there's probably a balance you can hit, but a lot of these folks, because they had nothing, they want to spoil their kids.

01:48:04.000 They go too far in the other direction.

01:48:06.000 Yeah.

01:48:07.000 It's harder to be a strict parent, I think.

01:48:10.000 Mitzi sure used to ignore Pauly just to make him funnier.

01:48:15.000 She talked about it.

01:48:16.000 She talked about ignoring him when he was crying.

01:48:19.000 It'll make him funny.

01:48:21.000 She was right.

01:48:22.000 She knew what she was doing.

01:48:24.000 But it's like, to do that, if you're a conqueror, and you came up from shooting your brother with a bow and arrow, and then raising an army to take back your wife, and then you have children, and your children are born when you're 40, you know, and you've got this insane empire that's like one of the most Spectacular and impressive military accomplishments.

01:48:49.000 If you just look at it in terms of just like the sheer numbers of human beings they sent into the reincarnation cycle.

01:48:58.000 It's a crazy number, man.

01:49:00.000 They killed somewhere between, I think the estimates are 50 to 60 million people.

01:49:09.000 Over the course of his lifetime, 10% of the population of Earth.

01:49:14.000 Yeah, and they, you know, how?

01:49:16.000 Brutal.

01:49:17.000 One-on-one contact.

01:49:19.000 Bows and arrows, fire, catapults, swords, spears, trampled.

01:49:30.000 And through all of that, it doesn't seem like power corrupted the guy.

01:49:34.000 So he was big on unmarked grave.

01:49:37.000 No statues were allowed to be made of him.

01:49:40.000 No paintings, no anything.

01:49:42.000 Not just that.

01:49:42.000 They killed everybody that was involved in it.

01:49:45.000 The people that went to bury him, another group came out to kill them.

01:49:52.000 And then another group came out to kill the people that killed them.

01:49:55.000 They came in three waves so that no one would have any idea where Genghis Khan is buried.

01:50:01.000 And we still don't know.

01:50:02.000 You know, that's one of the qualities of...

01:50:05.000 There's a perception of Zelensky, sort of the actor, the showman, all that kind of stuff.

01:50:08.000 Some of that is true, but in his interactions that I'm aware of with the soldiers, there is no...

01:50:15.000 Like, he wants to be on the exact same level, sleep on the same bunks, no glamour, none of that, which I personally admire in a leader in general.

01:50:24.000 Just walk amongst the soldiers.

01:50:25.000 It's a very admirable thing.

01:50:26.000 I mean, if you're going to ask people to lead...

01:50:28.000 Could you imagine if Biden was at the front line?

01:50:31.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:50:31.000 Yeah.

01:50:32.000 Yeah.

01:50:33.000 Maybe you see Kamala Harris at the front line in Afghanistan.

01:50:36.000 Could you see that?

01:50:37.000 No.

01:50:38.000 Could you see Obama at the front line?

01:50:39.000 No.

01:50:40.000 Could you see Trump at the front line?

01:50:42.000 Fuck out of here.

01:50:43.000 78 years old.

01:50:44.000 Leave him alone.

01:50:45.000 Yeah.

01:50:45.000 It's a very admirable thing.

01:50:48.000 And that's the thing if people have always said the number one concern that people have with the military-industrial complex is sending young men.

01:50:57.000 To die in a war that's unnecessary for profit while you are in an air-conditioned office, right?

01:51:04.000 That was during Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.

01:51:08.000 Who was it?

01:51:08.000 McGovern?

01:51:10.000 Did McGovern say that?

01:51:13.000 But it was a very powerful speech.

01:51:15.000 He said, I'm tired of watching these old men in air-conditioned offices send young men to die. 1.00

01:51:23.000 In these unnecessary wars.

01:51:25.000 So if you're willing to be out there, too, that's a very different thing.

01:51:31.000 That's a very different thing.

01:51:32.000 I mean, some people make the argument that a president should moderate how much they do that because...

01:51:39.000 You could die.

01:51:40.000 You could die, but it also wears on...

01:51:42.000 To make compromised decisions in the realm of geopolitics, in the realm of war, you have to have a bit of coldness.

01:51:52.000 If you really feel the pain of soldiers, you may make unwise decisions.

01:51:58.000 In terms of diplomatic decisions?

01:52:00.000 Yes, in terms of, for example, you've seen a lot of people die, children die, and if you've seen enough, the idea of quote-unquote peace is a dirty word.

01:52:13.000 Right.

01:52:13.000 Like, you want justice.

01:52:15.000 Isn't that a problem right now, not just in Ukraine, but also in Gaza?

01:52:21.000 This is the thing that...

01:52:23.000 The sheer number of people that died that had nothing to do with it is crazy.

01:52:31.000 It's crazy.

01:52:32.000 I think the most recent estimate, and they don't even know because there's so many people that are under rubble, the most recent estimate was somewhere north of 60,000 people.

01:52:45.000 And how many of them are kids?

01:52:48.000 Like, what's the number of kids that have been killed by missiles that had done nothing wrong?

01:52:54.000 Like, what's that number?

01:52:55.000 And those kids have families.

01:52:56.000 And those kids have mothers and brothers and sisters and some people that lived and some people that died.

01:53:01.000 And whoever makes it out of that, you want to radicalize somebody.

01:53:05.000 You want to radicalize somebody to just want nothing but revenge.

01:53:12.000 I can think of no better way.

01:53:14.000 No better way.

01:53:16.000 And here Donald Trump is tasked with going in there and trying to make peace.

01:53:21.000 I think I'm pretty optimistic about just knowing the skill set of all the people involved in Israel-Palestine, in Russia-Ukraine.

01:53:32.000 I'm pretty optimistic about.

01:53:33.000 I can't believe those people.

01:53:35.000 Those hostages are still alive.

01:53:36.000 Yeah.

01:53:37.000 How many of them are still alive now?

01:53:40.000 I don't know what the exact numbers are.

01:53:42.000 But it's crazy that they were not freed sooner.

01:53:46.000 The whole thing's horrible, from top to bottom, including all the people that have decided what happened, people that are saying it was definitely a false flag.

01:53:57.000 Like, boy, these things are complicated.

01:54:00.000 These things are complicated.

01:54:03.000 It's definitely, like, whenever something horrible happens and someone fucked up, like, someone fucked up. 0.86

01:54:07.000 Israel's the most protected place on Earth.

01:54:10.000 It's one of the most secure.

01:54:12.000 Countries on Earth.

01:54:13.000 For them to let something like that happen is just a huge fuck up.

01:54:17.000 But what I had heard was that there was also a lot of troops that were stationed near where there were protests.

01:54:25.000 So there was a lot of protests about Netanyahu before October 7th happened, which most people aren't even aware of.

01:54:32.000 There was hundreds of thousands of people in the streets.

01:54:35.000 Protesting Netanyahu before October 7th.

01:54:38.000 So then October 7th comes, and then all of a sudden...

01:54:41.000 Now, whenever you have any sort of military engagement, you're at war right now.

01:54:49.000 When those things happen, one of the first things that happens is all the protests and all the bullshit stops.

01:54:56.000 Because now a bunch of people got killed.

01:54:58.000 And when anything like that happens, and you are now...

01:55:03.000 Involved in a countrywide assault on this other country.

01:55:07.000 Everything else gets put aside.

01:55:08.000 And so the big conspiracy fear has always been when a leader knows that they're going to get pushed out, they'll start a false flag or start a war.

01:55:18.000 So they look at October 7th and they say they let that happen.

01:55:21.000 Or they say they had knowledge of it.

01:55:24.000 They knew it was going to happen.

01:55:25.000 They knew it, but they wanted an excuse to raise Gaza. 0.95

01:55:29.000 They want an excuse to just have a full-on bombing campaign against Hamas.

01:55:33.000 I mean, you definitely need to look at the incentives there.

01:55:36.000 That is one of the concerns in Ukraine for President Zelensky.

01:55:41.000 The prospects of ending the war.

01:55:45.000 Because right now the country is unified.

01:55:47.000 If you end the war and you have elections, now you have to face a lot of the consequences internally about the potential discovery of corruption, about the suspension of democracy, about all these things.

01:55:58.000 And the same thing with Netanyahu, who, by the way, also, they want to do a three-hour podcast with me.

01:56:07.000 I talked to him before October 7th for an hour.

01:56:09.000 I regret talking to him for an hour.

01:56:13.000 One of the things I really...

01:56:15.000 Learned a lot from you and just from myself.

01:56:17.000 You can't do...

01:56:18.000 One of the things I really don't like what happened with me talking to Donald Trump is like 40 minutes with Donald Trump.

01:56:26.000 It was a mistake.

01:56:29.000 I was almost willing to do that with Kamala Harris.

01:56:32.000 I was entertaining the 45 minute one.

01:56:36.000 I was entertaining.

01:56:37.000 Because I was like, maybe if I could just come in at a 10 to work my brain up.

01:56:42.000 Like really come in and just engage with her real quick.

01:56:45.000 I just wanted to get I wanted to get loose I don't the problem is like I want to see how you are as a real person I think actually genuinely with you and Kamala Harris, I think 45 minutes is horrible, but I think you're so skilled and like Compassionate just like it's fun fun to talk to you.

01:57:05.000 I think you would just end up being much much longer That's that's the hope if that's the hope yeah There would be questions, though, and some questions would be very complicated, like the immigration question.

01:57:16.000 Like, I would say, what's happening?

01:57:18.000 Like, what is happening?

01:57:19.000 Do you think that there should be limitations to this?

01:57:22.000 Do you think it should be stopped outright?

01:57:24.000 Do you think we should round up all the people that we know that are terrorists that made it across?

01:57:28.000 Are we keeping track of them?

01:57:29.000 Do we know how many?

01:57:30.000 Do we know what happened?

01:57:31.000 Do we know why it happened?

01:57:32.000 Why are people opposed to the idea of cracking down on Border Patrol, making more soldiers available, putting walls up everywhere?

01:57:41.000 Like, what is the reason to not do this?

01:57:43.000 Like, tell me what you're thinking.

01:57:44.000 And when people start talking about labor, they're talking about bringing in labor and that our population is lower.

01:57:50.000 Like, Chuck Schumer brought that up.

01:57:52.000 He talked about, like, we need workers.

01:57:55.000 And I'm like, what are we saying?

01:58:01.000 Is that really what the problem is?

01:58:03.000 That Americans aren't willing to do jobs and you want to bring in illegal people? 1.00

01:58:08.000 How about just make legal immigration easier for poor people that are trying to get over here?

01:58:12.000 How about just scan them, screen them, make sure that they're not fucking murderers, make sure they're not cartel members, and then let them in easier?

01:58:20.000 Like, wouldn't that be a better way to do it, to vet people?

01:58:23.000 But the idea of not vetting people just doesn't make any sense at all.

01:58:27.000 That would have been a problem.

01:58:28.000 That conversation would have been a problem because it doesn't make any sense at all.

01:58:31.000 And I'm a grandchild of immigrants.

01:58:33.000 I believe in immigration.

01:58:35.000 I think America is the fucking shining light in the world.

01:58:39.000 Like, if you can get here, you can actually make something happen.

01:58:43.000 There's not a caste system.

01:58:44.000 They actually reward people from, you know, started from the bottom, now we're here.

01:58:49.000 Like, that's a thing here.

01:58:50.000 Although that's Drake, he's Canada.

01:58:52.000 But that thought...

01:58:54.000 That's going to be America soon, right? 0.98

01:58:55.000 Yeah, we're going to take over Canada for sure.

01:58:57.000 Yeah, that needs to happen.

01:58:59.000 Yeah, 51st state.

01:59:00.000 Let's go.

01:59:01.000 Puerto Rico's next.

01:59:02.000 You've got to become a real state now, Puerto Rico.

01:59:04.000 Puerto Rico's got a weird thing where you're allowed to not pay taxes, but you can't vote.

01:59:09.000 Do you know that deal?

01:59:10.000 That's the Peter Schiff deal.

01:59:12.000 You don't...

01:59:13.000 Yeah, you don't vote, but you don't pay federal income tax.

01:59:16.000 I feel like I think you're going to go to jail someday.

01:59:19.000 I think one day they're going to fucking pull you inside and go, we changed that rule and you owe us $4 billion in back taxes, you fucking criminal.

01:59:29.000 What are you doing out here?

01:59:32.000 Hanging out on this island, just stealing money.

01:59:35.000 But yeah, we definitely need legal immigration, the idea of bringing the best people in the world here.

01:59:41.000 But also...

01:59:42.000 Mark Andreessen talks about this.

01:59:44.000 We need to make sure we recruit the Midwest, the farm boys, get them to do epic shit inside Americans. 0.99

01:59:54.000 Well, here's step one.

01:59:56.000 Ramp up the fucking education system.

01:59:59.000 Jesus Christ.

02:00:00.000 At what point in time do we not say, how far do we have to slip down the list?

02:00:06.000 of like the best performing students in the world before someone comes along and says hey the whole thing about this place is if our kids are losers they're gonna grow up to become loser adults make it way easier to be a winner What's the best way to do that?

02:00:22.000 Have a way better education system.

02:00:24.000 Just imagine if they completely revamped the education system in this country, just poured a shitload of money and had the wisest minds come up with a brilliant strategy for more creative ways of approaching learning, pushing people into viable pathways that maybe didn't even exist when the education system was structured.

02:00:46.000 Because things have changed so much in the world.

02:00:48.000 You could probably do a Way better job than we're doing, which would make people come out of that, they would emerge better qualified people.

02:00:57.000 So we would get more shit done in America.

02:00:59.000 So America would prosper overall.

02:01:01.000 The GDP would grow.

02:01:02.000 Everything would be better.

02:01:04.000 You'd have less poverty.

02:01:06.000 That's where they need to start.

02:01:09.000 It's not just let in all the immigrants.

02:01:11.000 How about fix what we got here and then expand that outward?

02:01:16.000 Like, make this place the best it can be and then expand that idea out to the rest of the world.

02:01:23.000 So instead of, like, letting everybody walk here from third world countries, because third world countries suck, expand what's better out to the rest of the world. 0.70

02:01:32.000 And a big part of that is actually culturally changing.

02:01:37.000 Accepting, celebrating, venerating meritocracy.

02:01:40.000 Yes.

02:01:40.000 The guy in the class, having gone to school in the Soviet Union, I was good at math, and I was actually, believe it or not, super cool.

02:01:51.000 Because I was good at math in class when I was like whoa like I was the cool kid because I was good at math like I was getting like in America I had a girlfriend when I was young.

02:01:59.000 Shut the fuck up, bitch. 1.00

02:02:01.000 I think it's wrong.

02:02:02.000 I think they're wrong.

02:02:03.000 You should get violent.

02:02:04.000 You should but I think they're wrong because but it's a fascinating thing to make fun of the smart kid.

02:02:11.000 Especially math.

02:02:13.000 Look at that fucking robot over there.

02:02:15.000 Science.

02:02:16.000 Isn't that weird?

02:02:17.000 But honestly even Yeah, I mean, in all walks of life.

02:02:23.000 Sports is a little better.

02:02:24.000 We do celebrate great athletes, but there's still kind of the participation trophy thing.

02:02:29.000 There's still a kind of sense where we want to help the people that aren't quite as good at a thing.

02:02:36.000 That's only with little kids, though.

02:02:38.000 Sports are more the pure.

02:02:39.000 But it starts there.

02:02:41.000 How little?

02:02:42.000 Sports, once kids get into the teenage years, sports is a meritocracy.

02:02:47.000 Yes.

02:02:48.000 But culturally, do we really say, like, this is amazing that this person is winning?

02:02:55.000 Yeah.

02:02:56.000 I want to take you to a Texas football game.

02:02:58.000 Well, Texas is different.

02:03:00.000 I mean, Texas is Texas.

02:03:00.000 This is what America should be.

02:03:02.000 This is what America should be.

02:03:04.000 That it should all be fired up.

02:03:06.000 But not just about football.

02:03:09.000 No, but all kinds of things.

02:03:10.000 But about, like, everything.

02:03:11.000 Music, math.

02:03:11.000 Here's the problem.

02:03:12.000 Football, like, quarterbacks get laid.

02:03:15.000 Alright, that's a handsome guy.

02:03:16.000 That's what I'm trying to tell you.

02:03:18.000 Okay, scientists...

02:03:19.000 Physicists in the Soviet Union will get a lot of pussy. 1.00

02:03:22.000 What about Feynman?

02:03:24.000 Well, he got...

02:03:25.000 Yes.

02:03:26.000 Yeah.

02:03:26.000 But he's another level.

02:03:27.000 Those guys were freaks, right?

02:03:28.000 Oppenheimer, you saw the movie.

02:03:29.000 He was a freak.

02:03:30.000 Those guys were studs because they were the smart people and there was a lot of grad students that wanted to fuck the professor.

02:03:36.000 And that was normal stuff back then.

02:03:39.000 But I don't know if they were studs in the general population.

02:03:43.000 They were studs in a way.

02:03:44.000 They were like, look, Einstein was a national hero, right?

02:03:49.000 There's no one like that today.

02:03:50.000 There's no one scientist that's a groundbreaking research of theory of relativity where everybody's aware of it.

02:03:57.000 There's nothing like that today.

02:03:58.000 We celebrate people like maybe like Neil deGrasse Tyson who are communicators of science.

02:04:02.000 Yeah, but not to the same extent.

02:04:05.000 He's criticized way more than Einstein ever was.

02:04:08.000 Einstein was pretty celebrated.

02:04:10.000 It's just...

02:04:13.000 Even Feynman, for the people that knew him, he was a cultural figure.

02:04:18.000 He wasn't an obscure name.

02:04:20.000 If you brought up Richard Feynman, most people that watch the news and read newspapers probably know who he is if they were in their 30s.

02:04:28.000 That's not the case today for, say, someone who's groundbreaking research with AI or someone who's involved in quantum computing.

02:04:37.000 It's just a few of these science communicators.

02:04:41.000 Brian Cox, guys like him were great at it in terms of space.

02:04:45.000 And some guys are better at it in terms of talking about AI or talking about all the different emerging technologies because there's so many of them.

02:04:55.000 But there's no one person other than Elon.

02:05:00.000 But Elon's such a d***.

02:05:01.000 Unique character you can't even like you can't put him in the same categories in Einstein because he's just like a cultural weirdness Like who is this guy like making memes?

02:05:12.000 Cracking jokes dunking on people telling people to go fuck themselves buys Twitter You know it runs a bunch of different companies simultaneously while playing video games constantly.

02:05:23.000 It's like That doesn't fit in anywhere else.

02:05:26.000 That's like a very unique Thing that exists this Elon Musk guy like he's one of the most unique human beings in all of history But you can even move to like even the Jeff Bezos who by the way successfully launched the first Rocket yesterday to orbit yeah,

02:05:44.000 which is which is incredible amazing even he is gets like I think that's that should be That that should be venerated sure, but he's not the guy that's making the He's not doing the calculations and designing and engineering the machines like Werner Von Braun was.

02:06:00.000 So it's like what we're fascinated by today is different.

02:06:05.000 We're fascinated by these public figures that talk about the work that's going on, but the people that are actually doing it, there's not one standout.

02:06:13.000 Although, to say, both Jeff Bezos and Elon are legit good engineers.

02:06:18.000 To see them on the factory floor, they know what they're doing.

02:06:20.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:06:21.000 But the thing about Elon is weird.

02:06:23.000 He just does so many things.

02:06:25.000 You get confused.

02:06:26.000 How can you do this?

02:06:27.000 I was talking about possibly buying TikTok.

02:06:30.000 I wonder if they would go after him if he did that.

02:06:32.000 Would that be like a minute?

02:06:34.000 But Bezos, or rather, Zuckerberg rather, they bought Instagram, right?

02:06:40.000 So they have Facebook and Instagram, right?

02:06:42.000 Like, why couldn't you have TikTok and Twitter?

02:06:45.000 What are you talking about, Monopoly-wise?

02:06:47.000 Yeah.

02:06:47.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:06:48.000 I don't think they'll go after them.

02:06:49.000 They're trying to split up Google right now, Alphabet.

02:06:51.000 Really?

02:06:52.000 Like, to make maybe Chrome or YouTube its own business.

02:06:58.000 I think...

02:06:59.000 There's an argument.

02:07:00.000 There's some argument, but like...

02:07:02.000 The crazy thing about YouTube is how effective it is.

02:07:05.000 YouTube seems so straightforward.

02:07:10.000 You just have a place where people can upload videos.

02:07:12.000 Okay, that's straightforward.

02:07:14.000 Everybody should be able to make one of those.

02:07:16.000 But no, there's just one.

02:07:17.000 Really hard to actually pull that off on the engineering side.

02:07:21.000 Oh, yeah.

02:07:23.000 There's just no other place like it to be able to host that much data.

02:07:26.000 How about the scale?

02:07:27.000 Just the volume.

02:07:29.000 The volume of fucking data that comes into their site every day.

02:07:34.000 Yeah.

02:07:35.000 And then there's people, of course, online sort of criticizing YouTube for censorship, blah, blah, blah.

02:07:40.000 Which they should, though.

02:07:41.000 They should, but like, hey.

02:07:43.000 More people need to be like, this fucking thing exists.

02:07:46.000 It's like Wi-Fi on the airplane.

02:07:48.000 There's no other platform like YouTube in terms of the set of features, the community they create, the search and discovery.

02:07:56.000 Do you think Apple regrets being one of the first built-in apps on the iPhone?

02:08:00.000 That could have had a lot to do with the growth.

02:08:03.000 Well, it definitely did, I'm sure.

02:08:04.000 They didn't make it, but they included it.

02:08:06.000 Right.

02:08:07.000 Also, Google Maps was too, until they made their own.

02:08:09.000 Well, I mean, you probably want to have the best shit on your phone if you want people to buy it.

02:08:15.000 You're kind of trapped.

02:08:16.000 Everybody knows YouTube is the best shit.

02:08:18.000 And if you get YouTube on an Android phone natively, instantly, which you can, when you get an Android phone, it already has YouTube loaded onto it.

02:08:26.000 Why wouldn't you load it on an iPhone?

02:08:28.000 Everybody uses YouTube.

02:08:29.000 You've got to pick your battles.

02:08:30.000 It was 2007, though.

02:08:32.000 That's true.

02:08:33.000 You could only have three-minute videos back then.

02:08:34.000 You're right.

02:08:35.000 They probably didn't realize how big YouTube was going to be, right?

02:08:39.000 But what they did do that's the sneakiest thing that drives me crazy is the 30%. 0.92

02:08:43.000 So, like, if you start an app, you put an app in the App Store, the Apple Store, they get 30%.

02:08:50.000 Like, that's crazy.

02:08:53.000 But because YouTube dominates so much, if people get censored, that's really painful.

02:08:57.000 Like, that's not...

02:08:59.000 Well, they're so in control of the video market.

02:09:03.000 And, you know, I don't envy it.

02:09:05.000 It's got to be an insane...

02:09:09.000 But it's just kind of wild that no one else has been able to come up with anything even remotely close.

02:09:15.000 You know, you've got Rumble.

02:09:16.000 They do really well.

02:09:17.000 But it's like Rumble's like a very conservative, ivermectin-using, libertarian sort of space.

02:09:24.000 It's like the opposite of Blue Sky.

02:09:25.000 Blue Sky is like...

02:09:28.000 Exactly.

02:09:29.000 But there's a lot of left-wing shows on Rumble.

02:09:31.000 Rumble is essentially a legitimate free speech platform.

02:09:34.000 They don't censor left-wing views.

02:09:37.000 Isn't Breaking Points, are they on Rumble?

02:09:41.000 I watch them on YouTube.

02:09:42.000 I was thinking Twitch for a while, though, was kind of close, and then Amazon bought it.

02:09:46.000 Right, right.

02:09:47.000 Twitch was close.

02:09:48.000 But then when Amazon bought it, Twitch kind of disappeared.

02:09:51.000 It's still a thing, but it doesn't make money.

02:09:53.000 It's not profitable, which arguably neither is YouTube.

02:09:56.000 But isn't that crazy?

02:09:57.000 Like, if they didn't buy it, maybe it would have been, because Twitch was huge.

02:10:00.000 It still is.

02:10:01.000 Really?

02:10:02.000 Yeah, I mean, that's what kids watch.

02:10:04.000 But a lot of kids, they stream everywhere now, right?

02:10:07.000 And there's a bunch of different...

02:10:08.000 Like, is video games different?

02:10:09.000 Are there, like, a bunch of different...

02:10:11.000 Twitch became more...

02:10:12.000 It was just in TV, and it's kind of reverted back to it now.

02:10:15.000 Like, most of the popular stuff is IRL streaming, people walking around, going places, doing streaming, going, you know...

02:10:21.000 Doing nonsense.

02:10:22.000 That's so weird.

02:10:23.000 And so what are the video games streamed on?

02:10:27.000 What does everybody like?

02:10:28.000 It's still that.

02:10:28.000 There's been a few other ones I've tried.

02:10:30.000 People like YouTube tried to do it.

02:10:32.000 Facebook tried to do it.

02:10:33.000 Microsoft tried to do it.

02:10:34.000 It didn't work?

02:10:34.000 Twitch is still.

02:10:35.000 I watch video games streams on YouTube.

02:10:38.000 There's still a few there.

02:10:39.000 Twitter's now tried to do it.

02:10:40.000 But the Microsoft one went away.

02:10:43.000 YouTube doesn't really advertise the live streaming stuff very well.

02:10:47.000 You can find it, but it's not.

02:10:49.000 So essentially, it's just Twitch for video games.

02:10:53.000 It's dominant, for sure.

02:10:54.000 Dominant.

02:10:55.000 Okay, so Twitch didn't go away.

02:10:57.000 I'm just old.

02:10:58.000 So it's...

02:10:59.000 I thought there was a bunch of new ones that were good, though, that people were using.

02:11:03.000 Kick took off.

02:11:06.000 Everyone sort of went back to Twitch after they made deals there.

02:11:07.000 So was that a deal where they get a famous streamer, and they say, hey, we're going to give you money to come over to this new platform, and then they try to start the platform?

02:11:14.000 Yeah, I mean, it's a good idea.

02:11:15.000 You buy everyone to come over, and hopefully everyone sticks.

02:11:18.000 It just didn't stick.

02:11:19.000 But just think about the resources you would have to have if you wanted to take on YouTube.

02:11:24.000 Like, look if Elon had decided, like, okay, we need to turn X into the new YouTube.

02:11:30.000 Well, he kind of wants to do that, right?

02:11:32.000 Yeah.

02:11:33.000 But if you wanted to start a separate app, because Twitch, or excuse me, X is still mostly people exchanging information.

02:11:42.000 Mostly exchanging hyperlinks.

02:11:44.000 The closest thing it's to is, like, TikTok on the video.

02:11:48.000 The short video.

02:11:49.000 Clips is good.

02:11:50.000 So I can see, actually, I'm buying TikTok.

02:11:52.000 It makes total sense and integrating it into X. But in terms of long-form content, it's just not quite there because you have to implement all of these features.

02:12:01.000 And it is, engineering-wise, really difficult to have that much video.

02:12:08.000 We upload hours at a time.

02:12:11.000 Hours.

02:12:12.000 So think about it.

02:12:13.000 Each one of our shows is at least two hours.

02:12:15.000 Three hours, mostly.

02:12:17.000 That's so much fucking data.

02:12:19.000 If you're letting everybody do that, how much are you paying for bandwidth?

02:12:24.000 Like, what is that like?

02:12:25.000 Because it's free?

02:12:26.000 And then you have to get ads?

02:12:27.000 And then the ad's like, hey, we don't want anybody saying fuck.

02:12:30.000 Oh, shit.

02:12:32.000 Alright, put up a filter.

02:12:33.000 Get rid of all the fucks so that Paul Molliv can sell their fucking...

02:12:37.000 Hand soap.

02:12:39.000 Whatever it is.

02:12:40.000 Whoever's getting upset at us.

02:12:42.000 Oh, did someone talk about the vaccine?

02:12:43.000 Yeah, you can't get an ad because we're trying to sell vaccine ads, so don't be a cocksucker. 1.00

02:12:48.000 Don't ruin my giant business that I've created on your data.

02:12:51.000 But it is surprising that nobody's built a competitor.

02:12:54.000 Not even close.

02:12:55.000 And it just shows how incredible the teams are, right?

02:12:57.000 Well, they nailed it.

02:12:59.000 This is what they did.

02:13:00.000 They made the perfect algorithm to constantly show you things you're interested in.

02:13:05.000 You know, when I go to my YouTube feed, they're right every day.

02:13:09.000 Every day they're right.

02:13:10.000 I'm like, oh, I'm interested in that.

02:13:11.000 Oh, when was that built?

02:13:13.000 Oh, look at that.

02:13:15.000 Oh, is that real?

02:13:16.000 That's what they got me every fucking day.

02:13:19.000 Yeah, I actually tweeted complaining a little bit about YouTube recently.

02:13:22.000 And we had a whole meeting and stuff.

02:13:24.000 What were you complaining about?

02:13:25.000 So they have this incredible...

02:13:27.000 I don't want to complain about Wi-Fi on the airplane before saying the positive.

02:13:30.000 So they have this incredible feature called MLA Multilanguage Audio.

02:13:34.000 I don't know if you know about this, but you can have multiple tracks of audio for a single podcast, a video, in different languages.

02:13:42.000 So I had to do that for the last interview.

02:13:44.000 That's overdubbed into three languages for the different...

02:13:48.000 Did you use AI to do that, or did you hire people?

02:13:51.000 So I did both, but in this case we did AI because of the voice cloning.

02:13:56.000 There's something really intimate and powerful about hearing the person speak in that language.

02:14:02.000 Just found out that, you know, for example, on audio, people listen to the Zelensky interview.

02:14:08.000 It's dubbed into English.

02:14:09.000 He's speaking Russian or Ukrainian.

02:14:12.000 They listen and they enjoy it.

02:14:13.000 Like, you could see the numbers.

02:14:15.000 You could see how they write to me personal messages, how they, you know, on Instagram stories.

02:14:21.000 They're listening to it in English.

02:14:23.000 Right.

02:14:24.000 And they're able to listen to it for a prolonged period of time like it's in English.

02:14:28.000 Did you review it?

02:14:31.000 And listen to it and make sure the context translates correctly?

02:14:34.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:14:34.000 So I should give a shout-out to a company called Eleven Labs that do the voice cloning, that do the translation, and what's called text-to-speech.

02:14:42.000 They're incredible people.

02:14:44.000 Not just the product, actually.

02:14:45.000 There are certain companies that I work with.

02:14:49.000 Nothing frustrates me more than incompetence and nothing excites me more than competence.

02:14:55.000 They're just sweet people.

02:14:56.000 By the way, stayed up crazy hours through the holidays.

02:15:00.000 A lot of big companies take two months off.

02:15:05.000 They're 9 to 5. They're all very polite.

02:15:08.000 There's a manager of a manager and there's meetings and it's slow and there's this bureaucracy.

02:15:13.000 With Love& Labs, with a lot of startups, good startups, you're like...

02:15:18.000 Have this just vibrancy and kindness and everybody's excited all that kind of stuff.

02:15:23.000 Anyway, they do the the text-to-speech, you know, you have like text on the page that you can speak in the Joe Rogan voice.

02:15:31.000 I mean you're aware of this thing.

02:15:33.000 So if you want to translate, you first translate, transcribe the original language, translate it on the page and then text-to-speech bring it.

02:15:46.000 To life in that other different language.

02:15:48.000 The translation step is the tricky one, is the hardest one, where a human should correct and help.

02:15:55.000 I got...

02:15:56.000 I mean, we had very little time to do this.

02:16:01.000 We had to do it really rapidly.

02:16:02.000 But you get into trouble.

02:16:04.000 So, for example, he said...

02:16:05.000 How much time did you have?

02:16:08.000 I don't know.

02:16:08.000 I don't remember the exact number of days, but probably five or six days.

02:16:12.000 To do everything.

02:16:13.000 In three languages.

02:16:15.000 In three languages.

02:16:15.000 And he and I did the asshole thing, which is we kept switching languages sentence to sentence.

02:16:22.000 Oh, no.

02:16:23.000 And he would swear in Russian mid-sentence.

02:16:26.000 So, of course, the translator is sweating because most of the sentence is Ukrainian.

02:16:31.000 And then he says, fuck, or go fuck yourself.

02:16:33.000 He swore a lot.

02:16:36.000 That part would be in Russian.

02:16:40.000 The swear.

02:16:41.000 So you have to catch all of that.

02:16:42.000 You have to not make mistakes.

02:16:43.000 And some of it, there was AI in the loop.

02:16:45.000 We had to figure out because nobody really has done this kind of thing before.

02:16:48.000 So we had to figure it all out.

02:16:49.000 And mistakes can be made when you're rushing like this.

02:16:54.000 Rushing like this.

02:16:57.000 Like I just did.

02:16:59.000 By the way...

02:17:00.000 Me saying that could be transcribed into me saying Russian.

02:17:04.000 Right, right, right.

02:17:05.000 So, for example, we said he was talking about corruption, sensitive topic.

02:17:09.000 He said something like, anybody who we caught doing something with the weapons or being corrupt, we would beat, the exact term is beat them on the hands.

02:17:24.000 He was speaking Ukrainian, which in Ukrainian means we'll crack down on them. 1.00

02:17:29.000 That was automatically translated to slap them on the wrist.

02:17:34.000 Interesting.

02:17:35.000 Which makes sense as a direct literal translation.

02:17:37.000 Right.

02:17:38.000 Because you beat them on the hand, slap them on the wrist.

02:17:39.000 Makes sense.

02:17:41.000 And I didn't catch it.

02:17:42.000 I'm not sleeping.

02:17:43.000 I'm reading it.

02:17:45.000 I speak all the languages.

02:17:46.000 So I'm trying to figure out this puzzle.

02:17:49.000 And we didn't catch it.

02:17:51.000 And then, of course, a lot of people got really mad.

02:17:55.000 And they spoke up.

02:17:59.000 The internet in general is like, how can you translate this?

02:18:01.000 Of course, it must be because I'm a Putin shill. 0.67

02:18:04.000 I'm getting funded.

02:18:05.000 I'm not translating.

02:18:07.000 But yeah, there could be sensitive moments.

02:18:11.000 You had a lot of really high-profile figures here.

02:18:13.000 There could be sensitive moments if translated.

02:18:16.000 Could do a lot of damage.

02:18:17.000 On the flip side, it makes it accessible, especially for important conversations.

02:18:22.000 It makes it accessible to people that really need to hear it.

02:18:25.000 Why were you under such a time constraint?

02:18:28.000 Because the seriousness of the conversation, like every single day there's major missile launches.

02:18:36.000 So did you, it just, you didn't have a five-day deadline, you just, it took you five days to do it?

02:18:42.000 Yes, and the, I don't want to sort of put it on them, but the President Zelensky's office was...

02:18:53.000 Asking, like, as soon as possible.

02:18:55.000 They were really pushing it, and they were implying, probably correctly, that there's just going to be a lot of dynamic stuff happening on the peace negotiations.

02:19:05.000 So he wanted to use this as a statement.

02:19:07.000 Because, you know, the Kremlin watched it, so everybody's watching it.

02:19:13.000 And, like, it's part of the puzzle pieces that they're using to figure out when we're going to meet.

02:19:18.000 When are we going to?

02:19:19.000 What are going to be the outlines of a treaty?

02:19:23.000 You have to take it very seriously.

02:19:25.000 I've learned a lot because you need to probably hire more and trust everybody involved and turn it around much quicker.

02:19:37.000 You know me, in terms of production and everything, the team is one person.

02:19:45.000 Folks helping with editing, but it's just a tiny team.

02:19:49.000 And so for things like this, you have to take it seriously.

02:19:52.000 You have to maybe have a special force team that kind of steps up and helps.

02:19:58.000 A group of people that are translators that you could really count on to get it right.

02:20:04.000 Because a lot of the...

02:20:05.000 But you would want to have to personally review it anyway.

02:20:08.000 100%, but...

02:20:09.000 You want the translators you trust to do a good job.

02:20:12.000 And one of the things we learned really quickly is you can't just get any translator.

02:20:16.000 I mean, translation isn't art.

02:20:18.000 It truly is.

02:20:19.000 And people that were translating it, it's like open mic comedy.

02:20:24.000 Right.

02:20:26.000 You think even the same joke in the mouth of different comics would just be way different.

02:20:33.000 And the way they were translating it was cold.

02:20:37.000 They were missing the points.

02:20:38.000 They were not understanding the context.

02:20:40.000 The AI way is genius.

02:20:42.000 Yeah, but the translation piece of the AI still needs the human to fix it.

02:20:49.000 And how does the human emphasize emotion?

02:20:54.000 Like if he has a specific intonation, if the way he's talking about, how does AI know?

02:21:04.000 How to say the words in translation and which ones to emphasize.

02:21:08.000 So this is where Eleven Labs is really incredible.

02:21:10.000 It uses the actual words to figure out the intonation.

02:21:15.000 Okay, so the translation of the words?

02:21:18.000 Right.

02:21:18.000 Or the original word, hearing the word?

02:21:21.000 No, it's always working on the text.

02:21:23.000 So let's just stick with English for now before I say translation.

02:21:27.000 Text on the page.

02:21:32.000 Like, I have a Dwight Eisenhower speech here.

02:21:34.000 Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fire signifies.

02:21:39.000 That feels like a serious thing.

02:21:41.000 Like, we could probably infer how to read that.

02:21:43.000 If I gave you that text, you would infer the heaviness, the timing.

02:21:46.000 And AI is pretty good at doing that.

02:21:48.000 Not perfect.

02:21:49.000 And you can...

02:21:50.000 What if you delivered that speech like Hitler? 0.86

02:21:55.000 Like, I want to know, like, how are they getting the, like, when would yell about stuff, and then they had a translation of it in English.

02:22:05.000 And so are they doing it off text, or are they doing it off the sound of the, like, when he's saying the words and translating it?

02:22:13.000 Because then you would know he's conveying a certain amount of emotion.

02:22:16.000 Or are they...

02:22:18.000 Editing it in post and saying he's got to be louder here, he's yelling.

02:22:23.000 Is a human involved in that?

02:22:24.000 Yeah, a human involved in every part of that.

02:22:26.000 So they're setting the hyperparameters of how loud is it, how dynamic it is.

02:22:34.000 They can change all of that and they can change specific...

02:22:37.000 They can basically generate...

02:22:39.000 You know, like, five different options for this sentence, and then...

02:22:42.000 That's so crazy.

02:22:43.000 But that is an art form, right?

02:22:44.000 Yeah.

02:22:45.000 But it really is so crazy that we're not going to be able to tell if you said something.

02:22:50.000 Yeah.

02:22:51.000 Like, we're kind of there.

02:22:53.000 There's real cheap ones of me selling everything.

02:22:56.000 I see it all the time on Instagram.

02:22:58.000 Like, you know, different rappers and...

02:23:02.000 Country-Western songs and go to this restaurant.

02:23:05.000 You just generate them from AI. But you can still kind of tell.

02:23:09.000 But then I've seen some ones.

02:23:11.000 I'm sure you've seen that one.

02:23:12.000 The one guy where it's a completely AI-generated thing, voice and everything, and he's talking and he's telling you this is completely AI-generated.

02:23:20.000 And you probably can't believe this, but it's true.

02:23:22.000 He's explaining how it's done, and it's nuts.

02:23:25.000 It's so realistic.

02:23:26.000 And I mean...

02:23:27.000 I should say, like, from my experience with the Zelensky conversation, it's dubbed into all these languages.

02:23:32.000 It's dubbed into English.

02:23:33.000 He's speaking Ukrainian and Russian.

02:23:36.000 There's a lot of people, like, I've seen this, that think he's speaking English.

02:23:40.000 Just because it's so close.

02:23:42.000 Right.

02:23:43.000 It's his voice.

02:23:44.000 It's crazy.

02:23:45.000 And so, like, now I have this responsibility.

02:23:47.000 Here I am with my fucking exhausted, sleep-deprived...

02:23:51.000 Translating, like, his exact words.

02:23:53.000 I could put whatever words in his mouth.

02:23:55.000 Like, I could have...

02:23:55.000 The slap on the wrist thing, you know...

02:23:58.000 Let me just take responsibility, I guess.

02:24:00.000 I fucked up.

02:24:01.000 You know, it was three hours.

02:24:02.000 It's very tough to, like...

02:24:03.000 Right.

02:24:04.000 But, like, I could have, you know, put in, like, I like dicks in there.

02:24:08.000 Just throw it in there.

02:24:11.000 Just throw it in there, you know, just for fun.

02:24:13.000 Yeah, that's kind of crazy, right?

02:24:15.000 Yeah.

02:24:15.000 And there's a lot of people that believe, like, okay, this is what he's saying.

02:24:19.000 Right.

02:24:19.000 So, I mean, there's a huge responsibility with that, and I think that's why people trust a particular podcast and so on.

02:24:25.000 Like, you're not going to fuck with that responsibility.

02:24:28.000 Right.

02:24:28.000 No, you're very aware of it, and you take it very seriously.

02:24:34.000 Yeah, but it's still hard to decide who and how to talk to.

02:24:38.000 It's really, really difficult to think through the Zelensky conversation.

02:24:41.000 It's difficult to think about whether to talk to Putin or not and how to talk to him.

02:24:45.000 It's difficult to think about Benjamin Netanyahu, to talk to him after October 7th.

02:24:50.000 He's one of the most universally hated people on the planet now.

02:24:53.000 And it's like, okay, so how do you talk to him?

02:24:56.000 And what do you get him to say about the innocent people that have been killed?

02:25:02.000 But he has a certain perspective.

02:25:04.000 Which I should say that a lot of people inside Israel probably support.

02:25:10.000 I should also say, not now, but earlier in Qatar, when Hamas was in Qatar, they were interested in doing a podcast.

02:25:21.000 The members of Hamas were not in hiding, so the representatives were interested in doing a podcast, and there I decided not to because it's like everyone knows what Hamas is.

02:25:32.000 It's almost like, easy, why not do a podcast?

02:25:34.000 But it was like, well, that just feels...

02:25:38.000 I mean, you are platforming hate there that's in a way where you can't properly dissect and present and analyze and push and pull.

02:25:51.000 You can't criticize them.

02:25:53.000 You're not going to be in a position where you can criticize them.

02:25:57.000 Well, I should say, in Qatar, it's safe.

02:26:00.000 What's that?

02:26:02.000 In Qatar, it's safe.

02:26:03.000 So there I could criticize.

02:26:05.000 In fact, one of the ways I would imagine talking to Hamas is pushing them actually pretty hard.

02:26:09.000 In that case, I would actually push hard, and they would probably, because a lot of them are kind of just pretty shallow and insane.

02:26:19.000 So, like, they would just get really angry.

02:26:21.000 Like, there's a real anger.

02:26:23.000 They would not come off as...

02:26:24.000 One of the fears talking to dictators is just the charisma.

02:26:34.000 My opening statement to Netanyahu was, you know, a lot of people hate you.

02:26:40.000 When I talked to him in August, a lot of people were protesting outside.

02:26:43.000 There's a lot of people that hate you.

02:26:45.000 What do you have to say to those people?

02:26:49.000 That's the opening thing.

02:26:50.000 He said something like, everybody loves me.

02:26:54.000 I just gave a talk in Iran, and 20 million people listened to me, and they love me.

02:27:03.000 So how do you talk to a person where the reality is like, well, no, no, there is people that love you, Prime Minister Netanyahu, but there's quite a lot of people outside.

02:27:15.000 That don't love you.

02:27:18.000 What did you expect him when you brought that up?

02:27:21.000 Did you have expectations?

02:27:23.000 What did you expect him to say?

02:27:24.000 I expected for him to analyze where that hate comes from, to start to empathize, fake or not, to understand that perspective.

02:27:34.000 And to understand the perspective maybe of the Palestinians or the Gazans that hate him.

02:27:40.000 And then maybe make the case of Israel like...

02:27:45.000 After steel manning the Palestinian case, say, well, listen, we're like this tiny country that everybody's shooting rockets at.

02:27:52.000 Then make the case for Israel, the historic case, the military case, the geopolitical case.

02:27:58.000 Right.

02:27:58.000 But he didn't.

02:27:59.000 There was like, everybody loves me.

02:28:02.000 Jeez.

02:28:03.000 But in that answer...

02:28:05.000 Do you think he really believed that?

02:28:06.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:28:07.000 He believed it.

02:28:08.000 He's locked in.

02:28:09.000 Locked in.

02:28:11.000 Or, I mean, it's complicated.

02:28:13.000 He's just so...

02:28:15.000 That was definitely a wall.

02:28:17.000 How much more time does he have in power?

02:28:19.000 I mean, that's a consistent minute-by-minute thing.

02:28:23.000 As long as he is being elected.

02:28:26.000 And it's the same question for Zelensky.

02:28:29.000 How long does he have in power?

02:28:31.000 It's the same question for Putin.

02:28:32.000 When does Israel have their elections again?

02:28:35.000 Are they doing that while they're in the middle of this conflict?

02:28:39.000 I'm not deeply familiar with the dynamics of it, but I think they can have elections at any time.

02:28:43.000 There's coalitions.

02:28:46.000 I think a bunch of countries have this kind of thing.

02:28:49.000 So I think there's elections coming up.

02:28:53.000 There might be a martial law type of situation.

02:28:56.000 Forgive me, I'm not exactly sure.

02:28:58.000 But it's basically under constant internal political pressure where he can lose power.

02:29:03.000 Are you aware at all of his political opponents?

02:29:07.000 Yeah, there's a bunch.

02:29:09.000 There's a bunch of people.

02:29:13.000 I mean, they have to walk a tight rope because there is a lot of fear and anger inside of Israel now.

02:29:19.000 Like you said, after October 7th, there's like an existential fear.

02:29:25.000 The whole assumption of the Israeli people was that this kind of attack cannot possibly happen with the Iron Dome and the defenses.

02:29:34.000 And so you have a more...

02:29:36.000 There's more room, there's capacity to elect more radical people that are more...

02:29:42.000 Right wing.

02:29:43.000 They're more aggressive.

02:29:44.000 They're more militaristic.

02:29:45.000 Well, this is one of the big reasons why people love to dive into the false flag narrative.

02:29:52.000 Because they find an incentive for people to allow something to take place.

02:29:56.000 Because if you allow something to take place and you sacrifice a certain percentage of your population, you have now new rules.

02:30:06.000 And you have much more power.

02:30:08.000 And you have a society that's behind you now.

02:30:10.000 Because there's a reason why they want to fight.

02:30:12.000 And this is why anytime there's anything that ever happens, there's a bunch of people that think it's a false flag.

02:30:17.000 A bunch of people think 9-11 was a false flag.

02:30:20.000 And then there's real ones that we know about, like Operation Northwoods.

02:30:24.000 Didn't happen, but they really did sign.

02:30:26.000 The Joint Chiefs of Staff signed a proposal where they wanted to blow up American airliner and blame Cuba.

02:30:36.000 We wanted to arm Cuban friendlies and attack Guantanamo Bay. 0.98

02:30:40.000 And they wanted to invade Cuba.

02:30:42.000 Under false pretenses of a false flag.

02:30:44.000 We really do stuff like that.

02:30:47.000 And I say by we, I mean humans.

02:30:50.000 Humans in power.

02:30:52.000 Nero burned Rome.

02:30:53.000 Hitler burned Reichstag.

02:30:55.000 There's false flags.

02:30:57.000 They create these situations to force people to fight.

02:31:02.000 And that's a real thing.

02:31:05.000 But it's also like...

02:31:09.000 People get caught with their pants down, too.

02:31:11.000 So it's like it's hard to know what's what.

02:31:14.000 It's hard to know what's what.

02:31:15.000 But the same organization that did the whole pager thing, the sophisticated intelligence required for that, somehow missed an obvious breach of a...

02:31:25.000 Right.

02:31:27.000 And they were warned by Egypt.

02:31:30.000 The whole thing is very tragic.

02:31:36.000 Jamie, just a quick request.

02:31:37.000 Are you tracking the Starship?

02:31:39.000 Launch.

02:31:39.000 I know, you want to watch.

02:31:40.000 We've got five minutes, I think.

02:31:42.000 Okay.

02:31:42.000 Four minutes.

02:31:43.000 It's 3.56 right now.

02:31:45.000 Fuck yeah, I want to watch it.

02:31:46.000 Yeah, I know you do.

02:31:47.000 America.

02:31:47.000 We're going to wrap it up with that.

02:31:50.000 Is it launching live?

02:31:52.000 Yeah, it's live.

02:31:53.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:31:54.000 Let's hope it doesn't blow up.

02:31:55.000 That would suck.

02:31:57.000 What if it blows up while we're watching?

02:31:58.000 I don't think at this stage, blowing up, I mean, it would be really awesome if it doesn't blow up, if it flies and then it's caught by the...

02:32:05.000 In 13 minutes.

02:32:06.000 In 13 minutes.

02:32:07.000 Okay, we've got time.

02:32:09.000 Jamie, keep an eye on it.

02:32:11.000 At this time, I mean, it's called Starship Test 7 for a reason.

02:32:14.000 Right.

02:32:15.000 Blow a few up every now and again.

02:32:17.000 Find out what the tolerances are.

02:32:19.000 It is nice for Jeff Bezos to succeed on the first try.

02:32:24.000 The first one is really important because there's a lot of skepticism.

02:32:26.000 Couldn't this even be done with the new Glenn rocket?

02:32:31.000 And now Bezos and Elon are homies again. 0.91

02:32:33.000 Homies. 1.00

02:32:34.000 They're expressing platitudes on Twitter.

02:32:36.000 Yeah, they're...

02:32:38.000 They're going to sit together at the inauguration.

02:32:41.000 What, Jamie?

02:32:42.000 I'm trying to check.

02:32:44.000 I'm not finding the right video.

02:32:46.000 Okay.

02:32:47.000 No worries.

02:32:47.000 Where should I go?

02:32:48.000 Because I tried typing SpaceX.

02:32:50.000 Yeah, be really careful.

02:32:51.000 Just find the official SpaceX channel or you can go on X. Yeah, go on X. There's going to be a bunch of bots selling you crypto if you're not careful.

02:33:04.000 Don't go on Pornhub.

02:33:05.000 That's a different one.

02:33:06.000 You can't go on Pornhub in Texas.

02:33:08.000 This is a violation of human rights.

02:33:10.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:33:12.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:33:14.000 Are you going to the inauguration?

02:33:16.000 Perhaps.

02:33:17.000 Are you?

02:33:18.000 Unfortunately, yeah.

02:33:19.000 Really?

02:33:19.000 Unfortunately?

02:33:20.000 Socializing.

02:33:20.000 All the socializing.

02:33:22.000 Oh, you're doing it on purpose for work?

02:33:24.000 No, I just...

02:33:26.000 No, listen.

02:33:27.000 I never go out to things for work.

02:33:31.000 I don't work.

02:33:33.000 It's more like...

02:33:34.000 I felt like it's an opportunity like...

02:33:36.000 To meet people?

02:33:37.000 No, like you would regret it if you didn't go.

02:33:39.000 Like it's a historic...

02:33:40.000 It's a historic moment.

02:33:42.000 And also George St. Pierre said he's going somewhere.

02:33:44.000 Oh, okay.

02:33:45.000 Yeah.

02:33:46.000 I think Gordon's going too.

02:33:47.000 Yeah.

02:33:48.000 Yeah.

02:33:49.000 It's a very different thing this time around.

02:33:51.000 People are very hopeful with him as president now, which is very different than in 2016. 2016 was like this existential crisis that the media just blasted into everybody's head.

02:34:02.000 I think enough time has passed and enough faith has been lost in the media that people have sort of woken up out of that and realized we can't keep going the way we're going.

02:34:13.000 I hope the good vibes continue in general.

02:34:17.000 The politicization of everything will not escalate quickly here.

02:34:23.000 It's possible.

02:34:24.000 It's possible.

02:34:25.000 Even the inauguration itself.

02:34:26.000 I hope they're not.

02:34:29.000 It's not a divisive event.

02:34:30.000 It's more of an inspiring event.

02:34:32.000 Well, it's going to be divisive with some people.

02:34:36.000 There's no getting around that.

02:34:38.000 Some people, just their psychology.

02:34:40.000 Like that lady in the pink that was yelling. 1.00

02:34:43.000 The lady that said that Pete Hegseth said that when he really didn't say it.

02:34:46.000 He just published it.

02:34:48.000 Someone else wrote it.

02:34:49.000 It says 37 minutes.

02:34:51.000 37?

02:34:51.000 We don't have that kind of time.

02:34:52.000 This just went live, so it doesn't say anything.

02:34:55.000 Just a big old SpaceX.

02:34:56.000 There it is.

02:34:57.000 Is that it sitting there chilling?

02:34:58.000 I'm trying to double check most of these.

02:35:00.000 They all say 37 minutes and counting.

02:35:02.000 Wow.

02:35:03.000 Let's see.

02:35:04.000 Who's Felix?

02:35:05.000 These are just channels.

02:35:06.000 Oh, so a bunch of different channels.

02:35:08.000 There's tons of channels with it.

02:35:10.000 That's why I'm trying to find the most accurate or real one.

02:35:12.000 Because someone could be live streaming a fake one.

02:35:14.000 What are they live streaming, though?

02:35:17.000 All sorts of stuff.

02:35:18.000 Does SpaceX have its own page?

02:35:22.000 I just went to live on YouTube.

02:35:24.000 This is where I was bringing up with Twitch.

02:35:26.000 It's hard to find stuff that's live.

02:35:28.000 Does SpaceX have an account?

02:35:29.000 When I typed it in, that's when he was bringing it up.

02:35:32.000 You start getting all sorts of crazy shit.

02:35:34.000 And I get all these weird...

02:35:36.000 That's not them?

02:35:37.000 That's not them?

02:35:38.000 SpaceX Live?

02:35:39.000 No.

02:35:40.000 They wouldn't put that in their official account.

02:35:42.000 Oh, wow.

02:35:42.000 That's not NASA's channel.

02:35:44.000 You know what?

02:35:44.000 SpaceX might have just closed their YouTube channel, I'm guessing, because they want to do it on X, right?

02:35:49.000 Yeah, that makes sense.

02:35:49.000 So I went to there, and that's what...

02:35:51.000 Oh, how weird.

02:35:52.000 How weird.

02:35:54.000 It just went up three minutes ago.

02:35:55.000 So it's just a bunch of fakers pretending to be SpaceX.

02:35:58.000 SpaceX Live?

02:36:00.000 Like that?

02:36:00.000 You're not SpaceX.

02:36:02.000 Yeah.

02:36:03.000 Tricking me into looking at your channel.

02:36:04.000 They're boosting the algorithm.

02:36:05.000 I guess.

02:36:06.000 So this is it.

02:36:07.000 This is an older one, I think.

02:36:09.000 Oh, this is old?

02:36:10.000 And some of them...

02:36:11.000 Everyday Astronaut is really great.

02:36:15.000 I recommend people stream him.

02:36:16.000 He's great.

02:36:18.000 Wait, I feel like...

02:36:19.000 Have you talked to him?

02:36:20.000 I'm not exactly sure.

02:36:21.000 But he was...

02:36:22.000 He went after Bart...

02:36:24.000 What is his name?

02:36:26.000 Bart Cibril?

02:36:26.000 Yeah.

02:36:27.000 Did he?

02:36:28.000 He's really...

02:36:29.000 I mean, and not when after, I should say.

02:36:31.000 Just use the opportunity to educate.

02:36:33.000 Like, he, like, has this really long...

02:36:36.000 Gotta get the two of them in the same room.

02:36:37.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:36:38.000 That's what he wants.

02:36:39.000 He keeps being on my case.

02:36:40.000 I want to debate him.

02:36:41.000 Did you ever have Bart on your podcast?

02:36:43.000 No.

02:36:43.000 But Bart wants to debate him.

02:36:44.000 I was like, hey, do I want this?

02:36:46.000 Right.

02:36:48.000 Of course you do.

02:36:50.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

02:36:51.000 Do it.

02:36:51.000 I think...

02:36:52.000 I think there's a...

02:36:54.000 Yeah.

02:36:56.000 It's something that happened in the past.

02:36:57.000 What are we going to learn from it?

02:36:59.000 Say it was completely fake.

02:37:01.000 I would rather focus on modern day conspiracies.

02:37:04.000 What?

02:37:05.000 You don't want to know if they fake the moon landing?

02:37:07.000 Are you crazy?

02:37:08.000 No, I do want to know.

02:37:10.000 How does your life change?

02:37:12.000 A lot.

02:37:14.000 A lot.

02:37:15.000 This is how.

02:37:16.000 Because you know that the government is able to fake the fucking moon landing and to get people to shut their mouths and a bunch of people disappeared.

02:37:26.000 The story is nuts, dude.

02:37:29.000 Do you know the story about God, what was his name?

02:37:32.000 I don't remember, but he was a journalist.

02:37:35.000 What was he assigned to do?

02:37:37.000 He was assigned to do an audit of NASA and he wrote Hundreds of pages.

02:37:47.000 And his analysis, this is like 1964, 65, 66, somewhere around then.

02:37:55.000 So it was years before the moon landings.

02:37:59.000 God, I can't remember his fucking name.

02:38:01.000 I used to have this shit at the tip of my tongue.

02:38:04.000 But he parked his car with his family in and on a train track.

02:38:10.000 And a train smashed their car and the...

02:38:13.000 The document was never retrieved.

02:38:15.000 It vanished.

02:38:17.000 It went away.

02:38:18.000 Bye-bye.

02:38:19.000 And then a few years later, everyone's on the moon.

02:38:23.000 Gus Grisham, the pilot of Apollo 1, the guy that burned alive in that thing, he hung a lemon on that thing saying that it would never work.

02:38:32.000 They couldn't communicate with the tower.

02:38:33.000 How's this thing supposed to get us to the moon?

02:38:36.000 And that guy, you know, people, his family believes he was murdered for that.

02:38:41.000 There's a lot of weirdness in the moon landing, buddy.

02:38:45.000 See, Tim Dodd...

02:38:46.000 If they really did pull it off, and then all these people are cucking for the fucking government of the 1960s, it's kind of hilarious.

02:38:54.000 Wait, they pulled off the fake?

02:38:55.000 The faking.

02:38:56.000 The faking.

02:38:57.000 Yeah.

02:38:58.000 So, Tim Dodd, everyday astronaut, apparently has an answer to all of this.

02:39:01.000 Yeah?

02:39:02.000 What's his answer to the Van Allen radiation belts?

02:39:04.000 There is an answer.

02:39:06.000 I'm not going to turn this debate into...

02:39:07.000 It's a cute one.

02:39:09.000 Whatever it is.

02:39:11.000 The answer?

02:39:12.000 It has to be cute.

02:39:13.000 To send people through thousands of miles of intense radiation and have no biological animal that you've ever done that to that's come back alive and just let's try it on people.

02:39:26.000 So let me try to convince you as an agent of the Mossad and the CIA. I think...

02:39:34.000 Okay, this is from me looking at Wikipedia for about five seconds.

02:39:39.000 I thought the belt is not all the way around, so you can go around the belt.

02:39:43.000 No, you can get through the top and the bottom, but you have to fly out of Antarctica, and you really can't do that.

02:39:49.000 The way we did it, we had to go through it, and we had to go through it, I think it was for a couple hours.

02:39:56.000 Maybe it's possible.

02:39:58.000 Maybe it really is.

02:39:59.000 We're going to find out soon, right?

02:40:00.000 Hopefully, unless they go through Antarctica.

02:40:04.000 So it's like a donut.

02:40:05.000 That's what it is.

02:40:06.000 The intense band of radiation is like a donut.

02:40:09.000 But apparently the actual amount of radiation is not that intense.

02:40:14.000 I mean, again, speaking as a massage agent.

02:40:17.000 It depends on who you're asking.

02:40:18.000 Van Allen thought it was pretty fucking intense.

02:40:20.000 Also, there was Operation Starfish Prime.

02:40:23.000 Do you know about that?

02:40:25.000 Operation Starfish Prime, they were trying to blow a hole through the radiation belt.

02:40:28.000 So they launched nuclear weapons into space and detonated them.

02:40:33.000 And it had the opposite effect.

02:40:34.000 Like, supercharged.

02:40:37.000 The radiation belt made it more radioactive.

02:40:40.000 Yeah.

02:40:40.000 Operation Starfish Prime.

02:40:42.000 Google that.

02:40:43.000 What's that?

02:40:44.000 I think it was temporary.

02:40:45.000 And it dissipated over time.

02:40:46.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:40:47.000 Jamie is also a Mossad.

02:40:49.000 No, no, he's right.

02:40:50.000 No, he's right.

02:40:51.000 But, I mean, like, when they measured it.

02:40:53.000 When they measured it, it was, like, way more radiation.

02:40:56.000 They didn't blow a hole through it at all.

02:40:57.000 They fucked it up.

02:40:58.000 They supercharged it.

02:41:00.000 But just the fact that they were trying to do that.

02:41:03.000 They were trying to blow up.

02:41:04.000 Nuclear weapons in space like if I was the aliens, that's when I would start showing up like look at these fucking assholes high-altitude nuclear tests What what are people doing?

02:41:15.000 Not only that it shut off the power in Hawaii.

02:41:17.000 It fucked Hawaii up Hawaii had like a brownout like these guys are psychopaths Can you imagine, like, sitting at a table with a bunch of generals, and this guy comes in with a cigar? 1.00

02:41:29.000 I want to launch a fucking nuke in space!

02:41:32.000 I want to see what happens.

02:41:33.000 I just want to see what happens.

02:41:35.000 You know what my favorite one of those is?

02:41:37.000 The very first detonation of the very first nuclear bomb.

02:41:40.000 There was a non-zero chance that that bomb was going to destroy the entire atmosphere of the Earth.

02:41:46.000 Just imagine what that feels like, right?

02:41:48.000 Yeah.

02:41:49.000 And they were like, let's see.

02:41:50.000 Let's see.

02:41:51.000 Boom! 0.99

02:41:52.000 Nope.

02:41:52.000 We're still here.

02:41:53.000 They were reasonably sure that it wasn't going to do that.

02:41:56.000 But, you know, you've never done that before.

02:41:58.000 Who knows?

02:41:59.000 And there's a lot of people asking the question of, like, in the war in Ukraine, whether Putin is willing to use even tactical nuclear weapons.

02:42:08.000 Yeah.

02:42:08.000 Just send a statement.

02:42:09.000 That's an open question.

02:42:10.000 It is an open question.

02:42:12.000 And it's like a terrifying possibility.

02:42:13.000 We, I think, generationally have forgotten what nuclear weapons are.

02:42:18.000 Right.

02:42:18.000 Most people think it's a fun TikTok meme.

02:42:21.000 Right.

02:42:23.000 The mushroom cloud can just...

02:42:25.000 And then what happens next?

02:42:27.000 More of them.

02:42:29.000 Back and forth, back and forth.

02:42:30.000 Everything's gone.

02:42:32.000 Everything's gone like that.

02:42:34.000 And that's why I'm excited about Starship launches.

02:42:38.000 Let's get the fuck out of here! 0.98

02:42:40.000 Let's live on the sex cult on Mars.

02:42:43.000 No, I love Earth.

02:42:45.000 I prefer Earth.

02:42:46.000 The sex cult.

02:42:47.000 Right, but if you had to be a person who lived and Earth was going to blow, you'd probably try it.

02:42:54.000 You'd say, listen, maybe I'm going to be the fucking Davy Crockett of Mars, and then years from now this would be a mall.

02:43:03.000 And everybody will remember when Lex came over on the rocket.

02:43:07.000 Yeah.

02:43:07.000 I mean, it really is exciting to see what kind of societies form on Mars.

02:43:11.000 Even just 100 people, 1,000 people, 10,000 people, 100,000 people.

02:43:15.000 What are the prospects of terraforming?

02:43:18.000 Because the problem is Mars is too far from the sun.

02:43:21.000 It's just not warm enough.

02:43:24.000 So what are they going to do in terms of oxygen?

02:43:27.000 Do you know Terrence Howard, the actor?

02:43:30.000 You know Terrence Howard's theory?

02:43:32.000 He's got a great theory.

02:43:33.000 It's a really interesting theory.

02:43:37.000 That all solar systems, that instead of it being like a collection of debris from the outer galaxies, it's that too.

02:43:48.000 But what it really is, is the sun is ejecting matter.

02:43:53.000 And we know that, right?

02:43:54.000 So after millions and millions of years of sun ejecting matter, the matter coalesces and becomes a planet.

02:44:01.000 As it gets further and further from the Sun, it becomes more hospitable to life.

02:44:06.000 As it gets into that Goldilocks zone where Earth is, it peoples. 1.00

02:44:11.000 And then he thinks that this is happening all throughout the galaxy.

02:44:14.000 That planets get to a certain stage and then they people.

02:44:17.000 And then those planets are slowly going to move further and further away further and get colder and colder.

02:44:24.000 And it's up to these creatures to figure out how to get the fuck out of there.

02:44:29.000 Before it becomes inhospitable.

02:44:31.000 And that's where the advanced civilizations come in.

02:44:34.000 And this is why he thinks the most advanced civilizations are on the planets that are the furthest from the Sun.

02:44:39.000 Because they're the ones who've adapted and figured out a way to exist off of some other form of energy other than just sunlight.

02:44:46.000 Wait, does he have an idea about which planets in our solar system might be peopled?

02:44:50.000 Probably used to be Mars.

02:44:51.000 Mars.

02:44:52.000 Still or no?

02:44:53.000 No.

02:44:54.000 There's nothing on there now.

02:44:55.000 I mean, it's not hospitable.

02:44:56.000 But there could have been.

02:44:57.000 There was an atmosphere.

02:44:59.000 There could be life there.

02:44:59.000 Now there's water there.

02:45:00.000 There could be...

02:45:02.000 Well, there's probably some sort of bacterial life, right?

02:45:05.000 There's probably...

02:45:06.000 The real question is, is there any evidence that there was other life?

02:45:10.000 Like, think about how difficult it is for us to find, like, dinosaur bones, right?

02:45:14.000 Like, dinosaurs have to become a fossil.

02:45:16.000 It's a very complicated process.

02:45:18.000 They have to die in mud or something.

02:45:20.000 They have to get covered up and then they calcify.

02:45:22.000 And if you don't know, when you get a fossil, the bone that's fossilized, it's not really that bone.

02:45:28.000 What it is is it's been remineralized by all the earth elements.

02:45:32.000 And so it's kind of a different thing.

02:45:35.000 But it's in the shape of the bone.

02:45:37.000 That's fossilized bone.

02:45:40.000 What if you're talking about like 30 million years, 50 million years, 100 million years, 200 million years, a billion years?

02:45:49.000 What if Mars a billion years ago had life on it?

02:45:53.000 What would be left?

02:45:54.000 Nothing.

02:45:54.000 I mean, in that case, nothing.

02:45:56.000 What would be left?

02:45:57.000 Like, Earth is four point something billion years old, right?

02:46:00.000 How old's Mars?

02:46:01.000 Do we know?

02:46:03.000 How old's Mars?

02:46:03.000 Yeah, that's good estimates for that.

02:46:04.000 Like, is Mars older?

02:46:06.000 I believe it's older, yeah.

02:46:08.000 So that's pretty similar.

02:46:11.000 Right?

02:46:12.000 When did the solar system start forming?

02:46:14.000 See, these are just wild guesses by a bunch of fucking eggheads.

02:46:18.000 Bunch of eggheads with wild guesses.

02:46:21.000 I'm going with Terrence Howard.

02:46:22.000 I think he's right.

02:46:24.000 What a brilliant idea, though.

02:46:26.000 I'm offended you called him an actor.

02:46:27.000 He could be a mathematician, physicist.

02:46:29.000 He's a lot of things.

02:46:30.000 Brilliant guy.

02:46:31.000 His conversation with Eric Weinstein and you was just as art.

02:46:38.000 It was a good conversation.

02:46:39.000 Some conversations are art.

02:46:40.000 Yeah, that was a good one.

02:46:42.000 Because he's a good guy.

02:46:43.000 He's a good guy, and Eric's a very good guy the way he handled it.

02:46:46.000 He was stern and very clear and obvious who was right, but very kind and very friendly, which is a quality that Eric has.

02:46:56.000 The ability to do that, especially when you're talking about something that's so incredibly complex and esoteric.

02:47:04.000 You're talking about like...

02:47:05.000 Super complicated math, and he's showing it to him.

02:47:08.000 Do you know how to do this?

02:47:09.000 You're showing it on the board, and you can tell he doesn't know how to do this?

02:47:12.000 He's like, let me explain how this works.

02:47:14.000 And then you realize, oh boy.

02:47:15.000 Self-taught, you know?

02:47:17.000 This is the thing.

02:47:18.000 There's a lot of brilliant people that just don't get the correct education, but they're still brilliant.

02:47:22.000 Yeah, the raw horsepower is there.

02:47:24.000 Yes, the raw horsepower is there.

02:47:26.000 But I think this theory that he has about planets peopling, I find it so fascinating.

02:47:32.000 I couldn't stop thinking about it for days.

02:47:34.000 I was like, I think he's right.

02:47:37.000 Yeah, I mean, we're going to find out.

02:47:40.000 Even if you discover bacteria on Mars, that's going to change everything.

02:47:48.000 I'm convinced that there's alien life throughout even the galaxy, but that's a really open question, and most people don't think so.

02:47:56.000 You know what I think?

02:47:57.000 I don't think it gets past...

02:47:59.000 Where we are very often.

02:48:02.000 I think it probably fucks up a lot.

02:48:05.000 I think it's too difficult to harness the power of the sun while you're a tribal monkey and not blow yourself up or fuck things up horribly or just get involved in natural disasters that you didn't adequately prepare for. 1.00

02:48:18.000 I mean, we're still not...

02:48:20.000 We're not prepared at all for asteroid impacts.

02:48:22.000 I mean, yeah, young address impact theory, it's very recent.

02:48:25.000 Yeah, and also super volcanoes.

02:48:26.000 We're not prepared at all.

02:48:28.000 If we have a super volcano, if Yellowstone blows, which it's gonna, one of these is gonna, one of the big ones is gonna blow, they just do.

02:48:34.000 It might blow 100,000 years from now, it might blow next week.

02:48:38.000 They fucking happen, and we're not prepared.

02:48:40.000 We're not prepared for that.

02:48:41.000 Even if you just look at the LA fire, sorry to interrupt, imagine the chaos that's going to be created.

02:48:47.000 Oh, and imagine the LA fires with no fire department.

02:48:50.000 Right.

02:48:50.000 Okay?

02:48:51.000 Imagine that.

02:48:51.000 Imagine that there's no one out there trying to put that fire out.

02:48:55.000 That would be fucking insane.

02:48:57.000 And, you know, I think Civilization has probably gone through a gang of those before.

02:49:03.000 I think Graham Hancock, as much as he gets criticized, I think he's onto something.

02:49:08.000 I think Randall Carlson is as well.

02:49:10.000 I think they're onto something.

02:49:11.000 I think...

02:49:12.000 It's probably the end of the Ice Age.

02:49:14.000 It's probably asteroid impacts.

02:49:16.000 There's too much physical evidence that corresponds with the timeline for it to be ignored.

02:49:21.000 I mean, it's a pretty accepted theory now, the Younger Dryas Impact Theory.

02:49:25.000 It's just like what happened during that time and what existed before that time.

02:49:28.000 And all the stuff that we see a few thousand years later, is that a reimagining of civilization out of complete and utter chaos?

02:49:35.000 Because I think it might be.

02:49:37.000 And it might be one of the reasons why we're so fucking barbaric.

02:49:40.000 It might be that our ancestors were the ones who survived the most horrific time in history.

02:49:48.000 We got hit by asteroids and civilization just evaporated instantaneously.

02:49:53.000 Millions of people probably instantaneously died.

02:49:56.000 We were left with chaos in a completely different climate.

02:50:00.000 Places that were covered in ice are now raging rivers.

02:50:03.000 The whole thing's fucked.

02:50:05.000 All the animals are dead.

02:50:06.000 Most people you know that are anywhere near the impact are dead.

02:50:10.000 People get washed away in the floods.

02:50:11.000 Entire civilizations just instantaneously flooded and destroyed.

02:50:18.000 That could happen again.

02:50:19.000 That could happen again tomorrow.

02:50:21.000 That could happen again next month.

02:50:23.000 We're in the shooting gallery.

02:50:26.000 We're in the shooting gallery of the universe, and I bet that's pretty common.

02:50:29.000 So I bet the race is to try to get intelligent enough that you can do all these different things, but also intelligent enough that you abandon these ancient primal instincts that you have.

02:50:43.000 And that's where we're at the cusp of that.

02:50:47.000 We're at the cusp of our tribal chaos mixed in with impossible knowledge.

02:50:55.000 And it's all like happening at the same time.

02:50:57.000 And so there's this wild race that's going on.

02:51:01.000 And people like you and people like me and people that are hopeful, we hope we get it right.

02:51:05.000 We hope we get it right.

02:51:07.000 But we might not get it right.

02:51:08.000 And I think out there in the universe, I think it's probably more likely that people don't get it right than do get it right.

02:51:15.000 And if they do get wiped out, I mean, we got the Toba volcano, we got down somewhere around 70,000 years ago to a few thousand people on Earth.

02:51:24.000 What are those motherfuckers like? 1.00

02:51:26.000 Like, Jesus Christ, those are our ancestors.

02:51:29.000 Those people must have been brutal.

02:51:31.000 Well, that's one of the things I've just seen, even on the smaller scale of the war in Ukraine, is, you know, your house or the city gets destroyed, and people adapt immediately.

02:51:44.000 Like, the tough people rise up.

02:51:46.000 Like, it changes you immediately.

02:51:48.000 There's a resilience to the human spirit.

02:51:50.000 It's crazy.

02:51:51.000 You can adjust.

02:51:52.000 So if an asteroid hits Earth, like the United States, you know, let's say 70% of people dead.

02:51:59.000 Yeah.

02:52:00.000 You get an unlocked power that, like, your character in the video game has.

02:52:03.000 Yeah.

02:52:04.000 I mean, this is where the people in Texas immediately become the valued commodity versus, like, I don't know.

02:52:12.000 People in Silicon Valley or something.

02:52:14.000 Technology doesn't matter.

02:52:15.000 None of that matters.

02:52:16.000 Survival matters.

02:52:17.000 Individual, radical individualism matters.

02:52:19.000 And that's one of the things that gives me hope.

02:52:21.000 Community matters.

02:52:23.000 Local.

02:52:23.000 Very local.

02:52:24.000 You've got to band together.

02:52:26.000 But, like, it really is a tension of...

02:52:29.000 Because it's not collectivism.

02:52:30.000 It's not like...

02:52:30.000 Right.

02:52:31.000 So governments that rely on central authorities...

02:52:36.000 Fall apart from that kind of thing.

02:52:37.000 Well, 100%.

02:52:38.000 Any natural disaster government, like a real big one, like an asteroid impact, it's gone.

02:52:43.000 The government doesn't do anything anymore.

02:52:45.000 They're useless.

02:52:46.000 Power goes out for a month, they're gone.

02:52:48.000 Everybody's gone.

02:52:49.000 It's any man for himself. 0.82

02:52:50.000 No one's protecting you from outlaws.

02:52:53.000 You've seen that already in the California fires.

02:52:55.000 There's gangs of kids, a hundred at a time, breaking into houses and looting them in the middle of these evacuation zones.

02:53:02.000 You're seeing chaos.

02:53:05.000 They can't protect you from that if something happens.

02:53:08.000 And this is something we're not prepared for.

02:53:11.000 We're spending so much time doing other things and not recognizing the incredible vulnerability that our society has.

02:53:19.000 This very fragile system that we put in place that's so much better than at any time in human history.

02:53:26.000 This is the best time to be alive ever, by far.

02:53:29.000 And it's so fragile.

02:53:31.000 And we don't think it's fragile because the power stays on.

02:53:34.000 Yeah, and one of the things, you know, just having traveled across the world, like the thing that really America stands out with and why I'm excited about what's happening now is the radical individual freedom.

02:53:45.000 I think the freer the country is, the individual, back to Genghis Khan with the freedom to practice religion, the freer the people are, the more resilient they are to the...

02:53:59.000 The terrors, the catastrophes of the world.

02:54:02.000 They just respond.

02:54:03.000 They're much more dynamic.

02:54:04.000 The more centralized and collectivist the society is, the more you're susceptible to corruption, to this kind of propaganda.

02:54:13.000 You're not able to respond to even the pandemic.

02:54:17.000 Just governments are not able to do that.

02:54:19.000 The Fauci's of the world will always emerge. 0.94

02:54:23.000 It's not even...

02:54:24.000 Say even Fauci wanted to do the right thing or something.

02:54:26.000 It's impossible for the centralized authorities to do the right thing.

02:54:31.000 You have to have a distributed...

02:54:32.000 You have to put much more weight on the freedom of the individual.

02:54:36.000 That's a really important thing that you just said.

02:54:37.000 It's impossible for the centralized authorities to do the right thing.

02:54:41.000 It really almost is, if they want to do their job.

02:54:44.000 That's why at Doge, there's a lot of promise there.

02:54:47.000 You want to decrease the power, the size.

02:54:51.000 And the bureaucracy of the federal government.

02:54:54.000 You want them to be mobile, agile, small, efficient, and distributed to the state or to the small companies, the companies.

02:55:03.000 And how about stop going after the American people? 0.55

02:55:05.000 How about that too?

02:55:06.000 Which part?

02:55:07.000 Every part?

02:55:08.000 All sorts of things.

02:55:10.000 All sorts of things.

02:55:13.000 Attacking people, what's happened with this country because of January 6th and their version of it and what actually happened.

02:55:24.000 You know, what the FBI did with the Twitter files, with influencing things, what they did with Facebook, where they contacted and were telling them to take down memes.

02:55:35.000 Can I actually just say about that, I don't know if he gets enough credit, but I think what Mark Zuckerberg did on your podcast is actually, it may not seem that way, but it's courageous.

02:55:44.000 I think it's courageous.

02:55:45.000 I think he had to do it, too.

02:55:47.000 I think it's both things.

02:55:48.000 But internally, he's running a gigantic company.

02:55:51.000 He's running a gigantic company, but also...

02:55:54.000 This is the way things are rolling.

02:55:56.000 Like, you either get in the way and get rolled over or you get on board.

02:56:02.000 And if you want your company to succeed in today's day and age and not be disdained and universally, whether it's whether people boycott it or people just start hating on it, the stock drops.

02:56:16.000 Like, if a new thing that's like Facebook, because Facebook is, although it's so common, It's one of those ones you could do without, kind of.

02:56:27.000 It doesn't have the kind of information gathering aspect that X does.

02:56:32.000 Like, if I want to find out what's going on in the world, I go to X. Facebook's not like that.

02:56:35.000 It's like people talking about stuff and posting videos and things, like...

02:56:40.000 I mean, there's also WhatsApp.

02:56:42.000 That one could take a hit.

02:56:43.000 That could take a big hit if people just decided to, like, fuck you and your censorship.

02:56:48.000 You know, and I think more people are inclined to say fuck you and your censorship now than ever before.

02:56:53.000 So it's a good business decision to stop censoring people.

02:56:56.000 And the community notes thing is fucking genius.

02:56:58.000 It's the greatest invention ever in terms of like the ability to find out what's right or what's wrong.

02:57:03.000 Let's let people post things and it was not true.

02:57:06.000 Enough people report it.

02:57:07.000 People look at it and go, oh, it turns out that's not true at all.

02:57:10.000 And here's why it's not true.

02:57:11.000 That shit's huge.

02:57:13.000 It's you.

02:57:14.000 It's funny when Elon gets community noted, too.

02:57:17.000 Even he gets community noted.

02:57:19.000 It's so great.

02:57:20.000 It's so great.

02:57:22.000 Yeah, you get community noted, son.

02:57:24.000 Everybody does.

02:57:25.000 But it's the best way.

02:57:27.000 It's the best way to find out what's real and what's not real.

02:57:30.000 But then it's also like, you know, should you let people on your platform that are just fucking straight up Nazis and trying to recruit people?

02:57:37.000 Should you let horrible racism exist on your platform?

02:57:41.000 The problem was that slippery slope, man.

02:57:43.000 If you say no, if you say no, then other people are going to decide.

02:57:49.000 Remember Punch a Nazi? 0.67

02:57:50.000 Were people saying you should punch a Nazi?

02:57:52.000 I remember Kurt Metzger was like, well, who fucking gets to say who's a Nazi?

02:57:57.000 If it was just a guy running a gas chamber, yeah, punch a Nazi.

02:58:03.000 But if it's just some guy who doesn't think that a trans woman should be competing against his daughter in high school sports, like, that's not a Nazi.

02:58:12.000 Like, you've changed the term.

02:58:15.000 I think the slippery slope is important.

02:58:17.000 There's people like Pavel Durov, who's running Telegram, and he was, you know, Europe, rest in peace, is going after him for, like...

02:58:27.000 He got arrested.

02:58:28.000 Yeah, well, because there is legitimate terrorists talking to each other on Telegram, but, like, what's the alternative?

02:58:36.000 But if it's an encrypted app, how are you going to stop it?

02:58:38.000 How are you going to stop, if it really is encrypted, if they can't read it, right?

02:58:42.000 Like, this is WhatsApp.

02:58:44.000 If you use WhatsApp, if you and I message each other on WhatsApp, no one can read it but us.

02:58:49.000 Yeah, but the government wants the backdoor.

02:58:50.000 That's what they wanted with Telegram.

02:58:52.000 Right, but that's crazy, because you could use that backdoor in all kinds of ways.

02:58:55.000 Like, they use that backdoor for Signal.

02:58:58.000 That's how they found out that Tucker Carlson was talking to Putin's people about setting up an interview.

02:59:04.000 He was like, we know you did it on signals.

02:59:07.000 Tucker's like, I didn't even know you could do that!

02:59:08.000 That's what Tucker says.

02:59:10.000 You think Tucker's lying?

02:59:11.000 How dare you?

02:59:11.000 He's not lying.

02:59:12.000 You son of a bitch.

02:59:13.000 You are a Russian plant. 0.99

02:59:15.000 CIA, Mossad, and Russian, yes, for sure.

02:59:17.000 All of them?

02:59:18.000 How do you get on all of them?

02:59:20.000 Bring me to the meeting, bro.

02:59:21.000 I want to see what happens.

02:59:22.000 I want to see what they do with that goat. 0.95

02:59:27.000 Well, Tucker said they read his signal.

02:59:29.000 Well, it's very possible.

02:59:31.000 But technologically, I'm not sure how it's possible to do that.

02:59:34.000 Pegasus.

02:59:36.000 But the way it's been explained to me is even though your phone is encrypted, it's not encrypted to you.

02:59:42.000 Like, you see it.

02:59:44.000 It's encrypted peer-to-peer, right?

02:59:46.000 So if they can just see your phone.

02:59:48.000 You mean there's some kind of screen recording type of thing?

02:59:51.000 Yeah, not just screen recording.

02:59:53.000 Get access to your phone.

02:59:54.000 Find out all your contacts.

02:59:55.000 All your emails, all your passwords, all your this.

02:59:58.000 Yes, but signal publications, end-to-end encrypted, so it's difficult.

03:00:00.000 I mean, it's possible, it's difficult.

03:00:02.000 But it's not through signal.

03:00:03.000 If you're going through the phone, so if you're using Pegasus, you're just compromising the entire phone.

03:00:07.000 If signal's on that phone, you know the passwords already.

03:00:11.000 You go into signal, you can go into anything.

03:00:12.000 Oh, in that way.

03:00:13.000 Yeah, you have access to the phone.

03:00:15.000 But that's, right, that's legitimate hacking, right.

03:00:18.000 Right, but this is what they're doing.

03:00:20.000 Right.

03:00:22.000 That's not what they wanted with Telegram.

03:00:24.000 They wanted a full-on backdoor.

03:00:26.000 Gavin DeBecker explained this to me.

03:00:29.000 He said with Pegasus 1, you needed to click a link.

03:00:33.000 This was the Jeff Bezos thing.

03:00:35.000 Someone sent him a bad link on WhatsApp.

03:00:37.000 He clicked it.

03:00:37.000 They had access to his phone.

03:00:39.000 They got compromising information on him.

03:00:42.000 With Pegasus 2, they just need your phone number.

03:00:45.000 So they got your phone number.

03:00:46.000 Boom, they're in your phone.

03:00:47.000 That's it.

03:00:48.000 And so if that's the case, if you have a An app like Signal.

03:00:54.000 Like, I would assume they could read your signal.

03:00:57.000 Because it's like right there on your phone.

03:00:59.000 Like, if you already got the phone open, and they've got a compromise where they can get into your phone.

03:01:04.000 That's actually, by the way, why, you know, I'm going to Ukraine, going to Russia, going back to Ukraine.

03:01:11.000 Trying to get your phone hacked.

03:01:12.000 Well, I also try to make sure, like...

03:01:16.000 Dick pics that I sent to you and Tim Dillon aside, I try not to...

03:01:19.000 There's nothing to hide.

03:01:20.000 Right.

03:01:21.000 Do you have a burner?

03:01:22.000 Do you get a burner phone?

03:01:23.000 Do you bring when you go overseas?

03:01:24.000 You bring a real phone?

03:01:25.000 I wouldn't tell you.

03:01:26.000 Bro, that phone is hearing everything we say.

03:01:27.000 Yeah, for sure.

03:01:28.000 For sure.

03:01:29.000 What are we saying that we need to hide?

03:01:32.000 I mean, there's some embarrassing things for sure.

03:01:34.000 Like, you know...

03:01:35.000 Drunk texts.

03:01:36.000 Drunk texts.

03:01:40.000 Yeah, I mean, from the past.

03:01:41.000 I'm some shit from the past.

03:01:42.000 I'm so glad I grew up when I did.

03:01:44.000 Oh, my God.

03:01:44.000 Imagine if you were 15 with a phone that you could take a picture of your dick.

03:01:48.000 So there's like a hit piece on me.

03:01:51.000 Fine, great, wonderful.

03:01:52.000 I love you all.

03:01:53.000 Write some more.

03:01:54.000 But this journalist found like some shit poetry I wrote.

03:01:58.000 Oh, no.

03:02:00.000 When you were young?

03:02:01.000 Yeah, well.

03:02:02.000 Were you hanging around with comedians?

03:02:04.000 It was like late.

03:02:05.000 It might have been late 20s, early 30s, so there's not even an excuse that you're not that young.

03:02:10.000 It just sucked.

03:02:11.000 It just sucked, yeah.

03:02:13.000 And I was just reading it.

03:02:14.000 Because they know how to get...

03:02:16.000 Who is this article for?

03:02:18.000 It's for the person writing it.

03:02:19.000 They want to hate on you.

03:02:21.000 And it's clicks.

03:02:22.000 And you're popular.

03:02:23.000 So they want to hate on you by attacking your shitty poetry.

03:02:26.000 It's just hilarious.

03:02:27.000 Well, they got you.

03:02:28.000 You gave them a little rope.

03:02:29.000 Yeah.

03:02:29.000 And they hung you with it.

03:02:31.000 But, like, what I'm saying is that's not a big deal.

03:02:33.000 The bigger deal is, like, if you grew up with that.

03:02:35.000 So there's, like, shit you said when you're 14 or 15 or 16. Yeah, exactly.

03:02:40.000 It's even the piece, like, you know, that stuff, like, the article, all of that kind of stuff.

03:02:44.000 You can even...

03:02:45.000 I mean, one of the big things we have to do is allow people to evolve and just say, you know, yeah, that was shit poetry.

03:02:51.000 Well, I'm still horrible.

03:02:52.000 I'm worse at poetry now.

03:02:53.000 But, like, that was embarrassing that I would be publishing shit poetry.

03:02:57.000 I think that these people that attack, almost all of them are leftists.

03:03:00.000 And I think leftism is a religion, just like being a Christian is a religion, in that there's a way that you approach it.

03:03:11.000 Marc Andreessen says it best.

03:03:12.000 He was describing that it has all the attributes of a cult.

03:03:17.000 And I think people have a default system in their mind, we all do, that we fall into, that gives us a religious-like adherence to some ideas.

03:03:28.000 And the thing that this cult is lacking, which is paramount to Christianity, is forgiveness.

03:03:36.000 There's no road to redemption.

03:03:40.000 Everyone is ostracized and kicked out.

03:03:42.000 And what you wind up doing is you wind up cannibalizing your own thing.

03:03:46.000 You can never be left enough.

03:03:47.000 There's always crazy people that are like far to the end of it and every ideological group gets defined by its most extreme members.

03:03:54.000 That's why when people think about, like, far-right people, who do you think are the worst people?

03:03:58.000 You think of, like, people who want war, warmongers, assholes, you know, stupid people, uneducated.

03:04:04.000 That's what people think of when they think of, like, the worst.

03:04:06.000 They think of, like, white nationalists.

03:04:08.000 That's what they think of when they think of far-right.

03:04:10.000 So you can kind of, like, you flavor everything else in the group by the worst members of the group.

03:04:15.000 And if you don't have forgiveness in your religion, like, you have a fucking terrible religion. 0.96

03:04:20.000 If you don't have a path to redemption.

03:04:22.000 And you want extreme adherence to dogma, even if, like, even if whatever this idea with this ideology that you're pushing is, like, clearly, clearly destructive to a bunch of humans.

03:04:36.000 That's what they're dealing with.

03:04:37.000 It's like people fall into thought patterns, man.

03:04:40.000 Most people are too busy to formulize their own opinions, so they develop opinions to sort of merge with the people that they're in touch with all the time.

03:04:49.000 And if you get stuck in one of those fucking woke hives, you're basically surrounded by mentally ill people that are preaching in a logical version of the world that no one believes could ever exist.

03:05:05.000 I hope there will be left-wing leaders that emerge that kind of shed that.

03:05:11.000 I think they will have to just by virtue of their survival.

03:05:14.000 I think the woke thing is so widely rejected now.

03:05:18.000 And when I say the woke thing, I mean what Elon calls the mind virus.

03:05:23.000 The crazy aspect of it.

03:05:24.000 Like your kid knows it's trans when it's two. 1.00

03:05:26.000 That kind of shit.

03:05:28.000 Like the people that are just far off the rails.

03:05:31.000 That's gonna die off.

03:05:33.000 It's just too nutty and it doesn't make any sense and it's ultimately destructive to a lot of different groups of people.

03:05:40.000 And it's not fair.

03:05:42.000 The trans women in sports thing is the most unfair aspect of it. 1.00

03:05:46.000 That one's so crazy.

03:05:48.000 When you see people argue for it, inclusivity, like, you're out of your fucking mind.

03:05:54.000 Like, you're out of your mind.

03:05:54.000 And the inability to discern who's a pervert and who's actually trans, like the impossible nature and then just greenlighting perverts to do whatever they want.

03:06:04.000 And that, you know, my concern is I do think the woke-ism is either dying or dead.

03:06:10.000 My concern is those folks who are now looking for a new religion.

03:06:13.000 There's people like that on the right.

03:06:14.000 I think they're mostly rejected.

03:06:17.000 No, there's a lot of people like that on the right.

03:06:18.000 The right has a woke right.

03:06:20.000 They have an attacking, woke fucking... 0.85

03:06:23.000 They're not united.

03:06:25.000 There's an aspect to the right that attacks other people on the right.

03:06:28.000 Especially now, because the right has more attention than ever before.

03:06:32.000 There's always going to be a group.

03:06:34.000 In any sort of ideology, there's going to be a group of people that...

03:06:38.000 Use the opportunity to attack people to elevate themselves.

03:06:43.000 Yeah, I think Marc Andreessen...

03:06:45.000 Is it going up?

03:06:46.000 Five minutes.

03:06:47.000 I think Marc Andreessen calls the battle, I think, on the right, maybe, between the techno-libertarians versus the nationalists.

03:06:56.000 So there's these protectionist people that say, like, no more immigration.

03:07:00.000 Right.

03:07:01.000 Mass deport everybody.

03:07:02.000 And then there's these people, which they align on a lot of ideas.

03:07:05.000 These people that say, we need to fucking build.

03:07:08.000 Yeah.

03:07:08.000 Like, they're both America first, but they just have a different flavor of that.

03:07:13.000 You know, the Marc Andreessen's of the world probably are, or at least Silicon Valley, accepts immigration.

03:07:18.000 Like, we need to allow legal immigration of the best people in the world.

03:07:22.000 Right.

03:07:23.000 But the nationalists...

03:07:24.000 Part of the right.

03:07:25.000 They're like, no, fuck that.

03:07:27.000 Fuck you with your H-1B. Fuck you with the... 1.00

03:07:30.000 We don't need any more.

03:07:32.000 We need Mirka.

03:07:33.000 Yeah.

03:07:34.000 We don't need...

03:07:34.000 What is your take on the H-1B thing?

03:07:37.000 Because I saw the argument and I was like, wait a minute.

03:07:42.000 What is it?

03:07:43.000 Do you guys want cheap labor?

03:07:44.000 Are you trying to get super skillful engineers from other places?

03:07:47.000 What are we asking for here?

03:07:49.000 I think, as I understand, H-1B is just abused to get...

03:07:54.000 Cheaper labor.

03:07:56.000 So he needs to be reformed.

03:07:58.000 I think the argument got really muddled.

03:08:00.000 Right, because everybody was looking at the worst aspects of H-1B, which is the cheap labor, right?

03:08:04.000 But there is an aspect.

03:08:05.000 I think there's an O-1 visa.

03:08:07.000 There's different kinds of visas where we need to get the best, baddest motherfuckers from the rest of the world and have them work here. 1.00

03:08:16.000 Look at that, baby.

03:08:17.000 $3.53 to go.

03:08:18.000 Look at it steaming.

03:08:21.000 Look at all those carbons being emitted into the atmosphere by people who sell electric cars.

03:08:27.000 You'd have to drive a hundred thousand fucking cars 24 hours a day for a year to get any of the release of carbon that that thing has.

03:08:38.000 Here you go with your woke bullshit again.

03:08:39.000 You'd have to drive my Chevelle until the universe died of heat death to get as much...

03:08:46.000 As you're going to get off of this one rocket launch.

03:08:48.000 Turns out you need a combustion engine to get off this.

03:08:51.000 Do you think we do, man?

03:08:52.000 What do you think is going on with the UAPs?

03:08:53.000 Do you think these motherfuckers have some new shit? 1.00

03:08:55.000 Well, that's the Eric Weinstein.

03:08:57.000 Like, you don't need to worry about the rockets.

03:08:58.000 You need to crack physics.

03:09:00.000 Yeah.

03:09:00.000 I think, yeah.

03:09:01.000 Weinstein has a very unusual theory involving that one university that has a completely...

03:09:08.000 Overqualified physics department.

03:09:10.000 It's also connected to a stockbroker, or not a stockbroker, a financial thing.

03:09:19.000 What are those things called?

03:09:22.000 You know what I'm talking about, Jamie?

03:09:26.000 God damn it.

03:09:29.000 The point is...

03:09:31.000 No, it's like some financial investment group that does better numbers.

03:09:35.000 They do like Bertie Madoff numbers, like nutty numbers.

03:09:39.000 What's that?

03:09:40.000 Venture Capital.

03:09:40.000 Thank you.

03:09:41.000 That's it.

03:09:41.000 So this company is connected to this university.

03:09:45.000 This company makes extraordinary amounts of money.

03:09:47.000 This university has an insane physics department and they're not publishing anything.

03:09:52.000 And Eric's like, what are you guys doing?

03:09:54.000 That's real weird.

03:09:54.000 What the fuck are you doing?

03:09:55.000 So he thinks that these motherfuckers branched off.

03:09:58.000 He thinks that the government probably got a bunch of super top secret squirrel type dudes.

03:10:04.000 They're working on some high level shit and they branched off decades ago.

03:10:08.000 And that they've been working on this for a long time.

03:10:11.000 Of course, the military often swoops in and wants that talent, wants that technology, wants those ideas, right?

03:10:16.000 They're probably connected, all intertwined with the military because who's going to build these things, right?

03:10:23.000 You need the defense department.

03:10:25.000 You need defense contractors, rather.

03:10:27.000 You need, like, Raytheon.

03:10:28.000 You need someone like that who knows how to make spaceships, like, make this fucking thing, you know?

03:10:34.000 And they probably back-engineered it all.

03:10:37.000 They probably found some crash things that are probably left here on purpose and, like, figure it out, monkeys.

03:10:45.000 And then, you know, 1947, these dudes are fucking fumbling around and all of a sudden they figure out fiber optics.

03:10:51.000 All of a sudden they figure out transistors.

03:10:53.000 All of a sudden, like, there's a bunch of weird shit that just kind of emerges after these crash sites.

03:11:00.000 That's what I like to believe.

03:11:01.000 Yeah, I kind of believe that.

03:11:02.000 I also believe that there's...

03:11:04.000 That they're not so focused on us.

03:11:06.000 They're doing it here and everywhere else, too.

03:11:09.000 Maybe.

03:11:11.000 Why wouldn't they be focused on us?

03:11:13.000 I just feel like there's a lot of tribes in the Amazon.

03:11:17.000 I think there are, but I bet it takes a long-ass time for it to get to the distance that our Earth got from the sun, where you can get liquid water.

03:11:25.000 And it only lasts for a little while until it freezes again.

03:11:28.000 Oh, maybe.

03:11:28.000 If that's the case and they understand that, then yes.

03:11:31.000 If you thought about, like, the way...

03:11:33.000 Let's just assume that the way life was created on Earth is the only way life is created anywhere in the universe.

03:11:38.000 Let's assume that all those rules apply.

03:11:41.000 And let's assume that Terrence Howard's on to something.

03:11:43.000 The peopling.

03:11:44.000 The peopling.

03:11:45.000 You would imagine that it would have to get where we are, where the water melts, where the ice melts.

03:11:52.000 17 seconds.

03:11:53.000 And then...

03:11:54.000 Life emerges from the sea like it did here, right?

03:11:57.000 Doesn't that make sense?

03:11:58.000 That that would happen everywhere?

03:12:00.000 Oh, Jesus.

03:12:01.000 Wherever there's water.

03:12:02.000 Here we go.

03:12:05.000 - Four, three, two, one.

03:12:09.000 - Here it goes. - That's a hundred million diesel trucks blowing coal.

03:12:23.000 This is America, baby.

03:12:25.000 Look at that thing. 0.92

03:12:26.000 The vehicle's pitching downrange.

03:12:28.000 Holy shit, man.

03:12:31.000 And that thing's gonna get caught. 1.00

03:12:34.000 Bro, I want a rocket.

03:12:37.000 I just decided I want a rocket.

03:12:39.000 We could go up on that, dude.

03:12:40.000 I need a rocket.

03:12:41.000 Do a podcast in space.

03:12:42.000 I want a rocket.

03:12:44.000 Look down.

03:12:45.000 All right, we're more than 30 seconds into flight.

03:12:47.000 Telemetry shot 33 out of 33 engines as it's pitching downrange.

03:12:52.000 Look how high that is.

03:12:53.000 In 30 seconds.

03:12:55.000 Booster ship, avionics power, telemetry nominal.

03:12:59.000 Bro.

03:13:00.000 Is it going to snap off?

03:13:02.000 I don't know.

03:13:03.000 When it snaps off, where does it go?

03:13:09.000 You're talking about the...

03:13:10.000 They drop it in the ocean?

03:13:12.000 No, it lands.

03:13:14.000 Oh, that's right.

03:13:15.000 It's the Falcon.

03:13:17.000 Yeah, it gets caught by these arms.

03:13:23.000 I know, I was thinking about the Saturn V. I think it was like a booster.

03:13:26.000 I forgot.

03:13:27.000 It actually can land, which is even nuttier.

03:13:29.000 Yeah, it's nutty.

03:13:31.000 It's that this gigantic thing that's the size of a skyscraper, it just lands.

03:13:37.000 They just pass through the greatest stress the vehicle's going to experience going uphill.

03:13:41.000 Speed is 2,000 kilometers an hour.

03:13:44.000 What the fuck?

03:13:46.000 It keeps getting faster.

03:13:47.000 Look how high it is, huh?

03:13:49.000 As they get away from the gravity of Earth, look how it gets faster, you fucking flat Earth dorks.

03:13:53.000 It gets easier and easier.

03:13:55.000 I don't know, it looks flat from here.

03:13:57.000 It does look flat.

03:13:58.000 They're right.

03:14:00.000 Oh my god.

03:14:01.000 Bro, you believe this CGI? You really believe this is happening?

03:14:05.000 You are a shill, Lex.

03:14:10.000 Watch, the camera might go out for a little bit, which will explain everything.

03:14:13.000 Have you seen the guy who takes the flat-earth people to Antarctica, where they can see the sun spin around, and they're like, oh, shit.

03:14:20.000 You can go to Antarctica that's not an ice ball?

03:14:22.000 No!

03:14:24.000 I mean, I like people that can change their mind in that way.

03:14:28.000 Bro.

03:14:29.000 Let's see if it lands.

03:14:30.000 It should be a few minutes.

03:14:31.000 This is so nuts.

03:14:32.000 I think this here in the corner is like all the...

03:14:35.000 Different boosters or something?

03:14:36.000 So it's 54 miles or 54 kilometers in the sky right now.

03:14:42.000 Fuck, dude.

03:14:43.000 And it actually has, I think, satellites on board.

03:14:47.000 I was active.

03:14:48.000 Just turned them all off.

03:14:50.000 Just slowed down.

03:14:53.000 Stage separation.

03:14:55.000 So that fucker's gonna go land.

03:14:57.000 That's gonna go land. 0.98

03:14:58.000 That's so crazy.

03:15:00.000 What does that take now?

03:15:01.000 Like two minutes before it comes back down?

03:15:02.000 Maybe three, four more.

03:15:04.000 That is so fucking crazy.

03:15:06.000 It's going to go land now.

03:15:08.000 Look at the earth.

03:15:13.000 It looks round.

03:15:16.000 Lex, the earth looks kind of round.

03:15:19.000 Oh, wait a minute.

03:15:20.000 It looks flat there.

03:15:22.000 Oh, this is the real camera.

03:15:24.000 That other one is bullshit.

03:15:27.000 Facebook's kind of more around than me.

03:15:29.000 That other one is a fisheye lens.

03:15:33.000 Yeah, where's the stars?

03:15:35.000 This is bullshit.

03:15:36.000 This is in a lab in Nevada.

03:15:39.000 This is a screensaver.

03:15:41.000 What is this?

03:15:43.000 Wow.

03:15:46.000 I think they have a payload of a satellite that they're testing and releasing.

03:15:51.000 Bro, imagine what it feels like looking out the window.

03:15:53.000 The one on the right is going way faster now.

03:15:55.000 It's humbling.

03:15:57.000 Almost to 6,000 kilometers an hour.

03:16:00.000 Oh my god.

03:16:00.000 The other one's heading back down.

03:16:01.000 Still slowing down.

03:16:03.000 Wow.

03:16:04.000 Space station?

03:16:06.000 What is that?

03:16:07.000 Is that the space station?

03:16:09.000 Is that what that is?

03:16:10.000 I hope so.

03:16:11.000 I don't know what the fuck is.

03:16:11.000 She just said it.

03:16:12.000 She just said it.

03:16:14.000 Otherwise we just saw some UFO. She just said it.

03:16:18.000 Definitely a UFO. Is it possible they get that close to the space station?

03:16:24.000 Like, hey, guys!

03:16:26.000 Yeah, I mean, they're extremely precise about their flight trajectory.

03:16:34.000 Would you ever fly on one of these?

03:16:40.000 No.

03:16:42.000 No, no, no, no.

03:16:44.000 How much would I need to pay you?

03:16:47.000 No, no, no.

03:16:48.000 I'm already rich.

03:16:50.000 You can't get me with that.

03:16:52.000 That's the one fucking money thing.

03:16:54.000 Yeah, I don't have that expensive taste.

03:16:58.000 I would love to find one of these, man.

03:17:01.000 Flat.

03:17:03.000 Dude, that's so insane.

03:17:04.000 Incredibly flat.

03:17:09.000 Look, it's CGI, bro.

03:17:11.000 Starship's ship is still firing its engines right now.

03:17:15.000 What do you think would happen if you did send flat earthers up in that and they got to see?

03:17:20.000 Do you think they would believe what they're...

03:17:22.000 How many of them are schizophrenic though?

03:17:25.000 They'll think everything was a lie.

03:17:27.000 Like what percentage of the Flat Earth community, like the percentage of all communities, it's like 1% that are schizophrenic, right? 0.86

03:17:35.000 Isn't it?

03:17:35.000 Like across the board?

03:17:36.000 Something like that.

03:17:37.000 Yeah, so it's not disparaging the Flat Earth community.

03:17:40.000 I'm just saying.

03:17:42.000 Can you be like schizophrenic light?

03:17:44.000 I wonder if they have a higher percentage.

03:17:45.000 Can you just be a little schizophrenic?

03:17:47.000 Yeah, you definitely can.

03:17:48.000 I know a dude who's got a touch.

03:17:50.000 They got a touch.

03:17:51.000 Yeah, a little bit.

03:17:52.000 Just a touch.

03:17:54.000 I told this story once.

03:17:55.000 I was talking to this comedian, and I've known this guy forever.

03:17:59.000 I thought he was totally normal.

03:18:01.000 But he's always like odd.

03:18:02.000 And he starts showing me pictures on his phone of clouds.

03:18:07.000 And he's like, you see that?

03:18:08.000 I go, yeah.

03:18:09.000 It's gonna go through a cloud right now.

03:18:10.000 Whoa.

03:18:11.000 That's a high-ass cloud.

03:18:12.000 Holy shit.

03:18:13.000 20 kilometers up.

03:18:14.000 Wow.

03:18:17.000 That's so fucking cool.

03:18:19.000 How fucking cool is that?

03:18:20.000 This thing is going to go land now.

03:18:22.000 You want to make a bet about if it's going to catch?

03:18:24.000 Oh, it's going to catch.

03:18:25.000 Yeah, I believe so too.

03:18:27.000 Yeah, no, I wouldn't bet against it.

03:18:28.000 That would be un-American. 0.89

03:18:30.000 Look how cool that is, man.

03:18:33.000 They're focusing on it now from a distance.

03:18:35.000 It just dropped fast.

03:18:36.000 It's now only two kilometers above.

03:18:39.000 This is so insane.

03:18:47.000 This is amazing.

03:18:49.000 This is so insane.

03:18:51.000 So it has this, it's controlling fully the position of this.

03:18:55.000 Look at how wild this is.

03:18:56.000 Look at the tower coming in to catch it too.

03:18:58.000 Oh my god.

03:19:03.000 Fuck yeah.

03:19:05.000 Fuck yeah! 0.99

03:19:09.000 Wow!

03:19:11.000 Holy shit now.

03:19:12.000 That is so fucking badass.

03:19:14.000 That is exactly seven minutes from when it left.

03:19:17.000 Seven minutes for the whole flight?

03:19:19.000 Yeah.

03:19:19.000 Wow.

03:19:21.000 That's a fucking building.

03:19:24.000 That is so dope.

03:19:27.000 Look at the other ones.

03:19:28.000 What is that?

03:19:29.000 Climbing in speed.

03:19:29.000 16,000 kilometers an hour.

03:19:31.000 Oh, my God.

03:19:32.000 140 kilometers away.

03:19:34.000 Wow.

03:19:36.000 New Glenn yesterday.

03:19:37.000 Starship today.

03:19:38.000 This is why I fucking love America.

03:19:40.000 That's so incredible, dude.

03:19:42.000 That's so incredible.

03:19:44.000 Hey, the question is, like, how tall is that in reference to, like, a building?

03:19:49.000 Isn't it, like, a 20-story building or something crazy?

03:19:52.000 Yeah, they showed before it took off right there.

03:19:53.000 Yeah, wow.

03:19:55.000 Look how much bigger it is than the Millennium Falcon.

03:19:59.000 I like how they...

03:20:00.000 He compares it to the Millennium Falcon.

03:20:05.000 How fucking amazing is that?

03:20:06.000 What's the other one?

03:20:07.000 Is that Blue Origin?

03:20:08.000 It's a different SpaceX.

03:20:09.000 Oh, that's another SpaceX one?

03:20:11.000 It's bigger than the Blue Origin rocket, but quite a bit.

03:20:14.000 I think it's the biggest rocket ever made.

03:20:16.000 123 meters.

03:20:18.000 Yeah, and that part right here, halfway, that's what came back.

03:20:21.000 Right.

03:20:21.000 So that's gotta be...

03:20:23.000 I mean, do you think it's...

03:20:25.000 It looks higher than half.

03:20:27.000 How many floors of, like...

03:20:28.000 Yeah, it's gotta be 70 meters.

03:20:30.000 That's so crazy.

03:20:32.000 That's so big.

03:20:33.000 Yeah, it's like 33 Raptor engines, so just the raw power.

03:20:38.000 Just even one of those engines is...

03:20:40.000 If you ever see it live, it's incredible.

03:20:43.000 It's so much cooler watching it actually happen live than it is watching a video.

03:20:47.000 When you watch a video, you're like, yeah, that's cool, but we didn't know what was gonna happen.

03:20:50.000 Yeah.

03:20:51.000 That's the cool thing about live.

03:20:53.000 Yeah.

03:20:53.000 Fuck yeah.

03:20:54.000 That was awesome.

03:20:55.000 That was fucking awesome.

03:20:55.000 Let's end with that.

03:20:56.000 We're ending on a positive note.

03:20:58.000 American ingenuity, baby.

03:21:00.000 Let's go America.

03:21:00.000 Peace on Earth.

03:21:02.000 Good one to all.

03:21:02.000 Love you, brother.

03:21:03.000 Love you too, man.

03:21:04.000 Thank you.

03:21:04.000 Bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience - January 22, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2260 - Lex Fridman

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