In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience podcast, I sit down with high school English teacher and creator of the "Students Talk" video series, Andrew Yang, to talk about why we need more critical thinking in the classroom and why we should all be better at it.
00:00:44.000And then I found out you got fired for doing that.
00:00:48.000And I was like, if this isn't an encapsulation of all that is wrong with our current – Higher education system, then I don't know what is.
00:00:59.000Well, to be fair, I didn't get fired for that technically.
00:01:03.000I think I got fired for posting another one similar to it, but I think they were looking kind of...
00:01:10.000That whole thing was so bizarre for everyone.
00:01:26.000I think they genuinely, like, we don't know what to do because if we fire him, our name might get out there, which is their primary concern, I think.
00:01:37.000Do you not want their name to get out there?
00:02:10.000And I love the way you were handling it.
00:02:12.000It was like, you know, very calm and rational.
00:02:16.000Just having discussions with students, and you kind of see a lot of their flailing and trying to rationalize while they have these sort of incoherent beliefs.
00:02:26.000Yeah, and I don't teach critical thinking.
00:02:29.000When I was a teacher, I was teaching multimedia, like what we're doing now.
00:02:33.000Working with cameras, did a lot of podcasting.
00:02:36.000I had this lab that I developed over four years with a bunch of Mac computers, with Adobe Premiere Pro, Photoshop, a 3D printer.
00:04:57.000And when they feel like there's a lot of social pressure to adhere to a very specific ideology, I think people don't like it.
00:05:05.000And so when you see debates where people have differing opinions and they have these sort of logical, objective ways of describing why they think about things a certain way, it gets people like, okay, is there another way to think?
00:05:49.000I was like, more people should be doing this at schools.
00:05:51.000And, you know, it would help a lot because a lot of this really sort of polarized positions that people are taking one side or the other, they just want to win and they dig their heels in and they don't exactly even know why they have this particular opinion that they're defending.
00:06:10.000They just know that they're supposed to.
00:06:12.000And so they just kind of bite down and dig in and, you know, I've been playing with the idea of how we see the world through stories.
00:07:26.000You're hungover, thinking about all the dumb stuff you did last night and wondering if anybody remembers.
00:07:30.000Unfortunately, someone does remember everything you do online and they've got receipts.
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00:09:00.000No, we talk about it all the time that it's a great sort of postmark for culture.
00:09:08.000Like, if you go back and watch movies from the 50s and then the 60s and the 70s, the 80s, the 90s, the 2000s, and then today, you can see how different the narratives are, how different the way the films are made, the way people communicate, the subjects that are covered, the quality of the acting and filmmaking, the quality of the cinematography, and it really just shows.
00:09:37.000Human civilization and human history, like modern society, is so recent.
00:09:45.000You know, the Industrial Revolution and giant cities and cars and transportation and all that.
00:10:20.000You know, we were talking the other day about the limitations of mainstream television and how mainstream television, you know, they're trying to kind of, like, adapt more towards what...
00:10:35.000But they're so hampered by their format.
00:10:38.000The censorship, the format, and the fact that they're sponsored by a bunch of different enormous corporations that they can't really critically talk about.
00:10:48.000So there's a bunch of things they can never actually say.
00:10:51.000So there's news that they can't cover.
00:10:56.000Problems that have probably been a direct result of medication that they literally can't cover because they're being sponsored by these companies.
00:11:46.000And now we're in this phase now where I think the best actors are doing both the external, like Heath Ledger is my favorite actor of all time and had a huge impact on me.
00:13:41.000So when you were doing these videos, when you initially did it, did you have any idea of the impact that it was going to have?
00:13:49.000I mean, did you think, like, wow, this is actually, like, really unique and interesting, and I think people are going to really enjoy this?
00:14:02.000I had been playing with YouTube as a medium since discovering Jordan Peterson in 2017. Because I remember, maybe it was even earlier than that, because I arrived at graduate school in 2016, Boston, Emerson, and all hell breaks loose, Trump gets elected, and there seemed to be a huge pushback.
00:14:22.000And I had never thought about these things before.
00:14:26.000And then being a grad student and seeing what I witnessed at school, like protests claiming Emerson was racist.
00:14:36.000This is one of the most far left schools I've ever seen.
00:14:53.0002016. 2016. So this is like September of 2016, August of 2016?
00:15:00.000Yeah, the beginning of the academic year.
00:15:01.000So this is like when the elections are kind of heating up and people didn't think that Trump was going to win yet.
00:15:06.000I vividly remember the day of the election because I was renting a house with three roommates and I was watching the election and I remember just being like, guys.
00:15:29.000And my big takeaway was, how could so many experts get something so wrong?
00:15:32.000And that caused me to question my presuppositions, basically my view of the world.
00:15:37.000And then that opens your mind to someone like Jordan Peterson and all these other great thinkers, intellectual dark web, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:15:46.000Suddenly it's so difficult to articulate what that does to someone like me, an average viewer, like a genuine lover of this space.
00:15:53.000So it's surreal to be here because it suddenly causes you to, if you feel like everyone's moving in slow motion, all of a sudden you feel like you're waking up and it doesn't, I don't want to talk about the matrix because it's so, it's such a strange, it's gotten all this momentum in a different.
00:16:18.000Yeah, I think we like to adhere to certain narratives about the world.
00:16:25.000And we want to think, the big thing is we want to think that there's a central, there's some sort of competent control, some sort of competent leadership.
00:16:40.000And that the structure of government and the structure of media is established, rock solid, and logical.
00:16:49.000And that these are the smartest people in the world.
00:16:52.000That's how they've risen to this position.
00:16:54.000And now they're there to provide this, you know, like...
00:16:58.000If you have a knee injury, you want to go to an orthopedic surgeon because he is an expert in knee injuries and he's going to tell you what's wrong with your knee and what can be done.
00:19:38.000And, you know, there's a lot of editorializing on how bad this is and what this means to the world and what does this say about us that this guy who said, grab him by the pussy, is now the commander-in-chief of the greatest army the world has ever known.
00:19:53.000For us, as comedians, we're like, this is gonna be fun.
00:19:57.000It was just like they opened up the door to the candy store and said, go crazy.
00:25:09.000You're going to start seeing what you believe to be true.
00:25:12.000You're going to start finding hints of it.
00:25:14.000And it's true as well for why it's important to have a moral code.
00:25:19.000I personally believe in a higher power, but if you believe in objective truth, you're going to see those lessons when they occur in life, and it's going to help be a guiding star for you.
00:25:56.000If you believe in that definition of transphobia, you can find it almost.
00:26:02.000Well, the problem with that kind of arguing is that it's a total cop-out.
00:26:08.000Like, if there is any sort of debate, and there clearly is when it comes to trans issues, if there's any sort of debate, you have to be able to discuss things.
00:26:17.000And as soon as you say, if you want to debate, we're done.
00:26:22.000If you want to have a discussion, we can't.
00:27:07.000And if I had any kind of conversation with her about it, even to this day, it's often, I think she's getting better now that I've been making content.
00:27:16.000But it was often a formation of that pattern.
00:27:19.000I just can't do this with you, Warren.
00:27:21.000And it's just neutralizing the debate because they can't have the debate.
00:27:26.000Well, they can't have the debate because they're not equipped for it.
00:27:36.000And when there's nothing there and you just say, I can't.
00:27:40.000Instead of saying, like, is there a logical argument that there are men who are manipulating this in order to control women's paces?
00:27:49.000And, like, it used to be that we protected women against men.
00:27:54.000Particularly, we protected women against predatory men, right?
00:28:00.000Like perverts or sex offenders, for example.
00:28:03.000But somewhere along the line, with this woke ideology, we completely eliminated the even possibility that a man in a dress that wants to go into the woman's room could be a pervert.
00:28:18.000Which, to me, was the most insane thing.
00:28:24.000The grossest members of society that we've always feared.
00:28:29.000We've always feared people that would try to take advantage of women and do so in a weird way where you claim to be one, but you have a penis.
00:28:40.000You're walking around with an erection in a locker room and anybody who calls it out is transphobic.
00:29:02.000After all this craziness occurred with the video, viral video or whatever, I went back to North Carolina for the first time, and my best friends, you know, who I've grown up with, and we just, I guess, fine.
00:29:14.000They were deeply concerned about what I was doing.
00:30:35.000And it's like a get-out-of-jail-free pass, and you can just get away from the conversation, and you don't have to confront the logical fallacies.
00:30:42.000You don't have to confront all the problems with what you're saying.
00:30:46.000And the only solution I've been able to find is to just push through.
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00:34:04.000And there's a lot of things that the Democrats believe that I believe too.
00:34:08.000There's a lot of things they say that I say that makes a lot of sense to me.
00:34:12.000And there's a lot of things that the Republicans say.
00:34:14.000They're like, that makes a lot of sense to me too.
00:34:16.000And the idea that I have to ignore things that make sense to me because it's coming from the wrong team is just stupid.
00:34:22.000These are bad faith arguments where you have to have a conversation with someone and pretend that what they're saying is not logical because they're supposed to be your opponent.
00:35:37.000And the only way they can find someone who will buy into their bullshit is if someone is like so bad at thinking and reasoning that they don't have the tools to discern when someone's full of shit.
00:36:29.000So as a teacher, you really learn that reality if you're going to be effective.
00:36:34.000The first thing I would say on the first day to my students is by law, by ethical bounds, there are going to be some things I can't tell you.
00:37:19.000I think we're entering a unique moment in history where a lot of those narratives are just dissolving and a lot of that very tribal thinking is being critically analyzed and it's found to be lacking and people are abandoning it left and right and you're seeing it you're seeing sort of the consequences of A lot of this ideology affecting people's day-to-day lives,
00:37:49.000and that's causing people to abandon it.
00:37:51.000You know, I was watching this left-wing podcast where they were discussing being gaslit about the problems with violence and crime rising in New York City.
00:38:04.000You know, you're being told that it's not.
00:38:06.000But if you live day to day life, you're like, no, this is real.
00:38:09.000Like you guys have led in a bunch of Venezuelan gang members and you have a sanctuary city.
00:38:15.000And you're seeing like the woman who got lit on fire on the subway and like that kind of shit.
00:38:19.000You're seeing this with with ever increasing frequency.
00:38:22.000You're also seeing the way they lie about crime statistics because they'll tell you that crime is down.
00:38:29.000But what they don't tell you is crime is severely underreported and that people.
00:38:33.000People are being released for even violent crimes very quickly, which has direct consequences because then there's no incentive whatsoever to not commit crime if you're going to be right back out on the street.
00:38:51.000He's changed the way I view statistics, but in like a three-minute synopsis of it that goes to crime statistics, I can't think mathematically.
00:39:36.000The findings did not match the story that people wanted to be true at Harvard, which caused him to literally go under police protection, like a one-year-old he had at the time, for days.
00:39:49.000Now, I don't know the deep dive beyond that, but that's the...
00:40:44.000Someone could come along later and analyze all that and say, wait a minute, you're turning down 60% black people though.
00:40:54.000His point is you can't look at it through that lens.
00:40:58.000You have to look at it through what is the goal that's trying—what is the result we're trying to achieve?
00:41:03.000So in policing, it's to—his study showed that 40 percent of stops approximately, I think, if we use that as an example, 40 percent of stops recover contraband, which is pretty crazy, pretty good, across demographics, which means it's being done correctly.
00:41:20.000And people, this changes how you view so much.
00:41:23.000It's kind of difficult to understand at first glance.
00:41:27.000I'm trying to tell me if this makes sense.
00:42:18.000Okay, so according to your logic, for every black driver I pull over, every Latino, I have to pull over a white driver now, which affects policing itself.
00:42:47.000That boggled my mind when I first heard it.
00:42:49.000I was looking at it through the lens of what are we trying to achieve and seeing if that achievement is even, then there's nothing off about it.
00:43:00.000If the contraband being recovered is 40%, regardless of the rate of which you're pulling those cars over, the success rate is the same, which means you're doing it right.
00:43:14.000I'm trying to boil that down as simple as I can.
00:43:17.000And so that was problematic for a lot of people.
00:44:33.000Yeah, I've seen that argument, that not everybody starts at the same spot, so you have to raise up people who've started at a different spot.
00:44:41.000Which is, to me, a band-aid on the real problem.
00:44:44.000The real problem is that we have crime-infested areas that we've done nothing to fix.
00:44:49.000The real problem is we have parts of our society that have been, you know, because of Jim Crow laws and redline laws, there's a long history of them being riddled with crime and gangs, and it could be fixed.
00:45:09.000National effort to take impoverished, gang-ridden, crime-ridden neighborhoods and rehabilitate them.
00:45:18.000The more you do that, if you did that, you would have less losers.
00:45:22.000If you have less losers, you have a better country.
00:45:24.000And that's including the Appalachias, areas of West Virginia that are filled with people that are addicted to pills and committing crime because they're drug addicts that are all poor white people, coal mining people, those folks.
00:45:40.000And crime and poverty causes people, you imitate your environment, you imitate your atmosphere.
00:45:46.000If you grow up in a crime-ridden, gang-ridden neighborhood, the chances of you getting involved in gang activities and crime are much higher than if you don't grow up in an environment like that.
00:46:26.000So the solution is we're going to have a tax.
00:46:30.000So if you can trace your ancestry, then you don't have to pay taxes or some form of tax.
00:46:37.000Okay, but what about the white person in Appalachia who is in an equally bad socioeconomic position, but they don't get the tax or whatnot, the award, your solution?
00:46:49.000Well, their ancestors weren't oppressed.
00:46:52.000So I would be all for it if it was looking through a consistent...
00:46:58.000Applied across all demographics equally, socioeconomically.
00:47:04.000You're never going to stop ignorant thinking.
00:47:06.000I mean, unless there's some sort of groundbreaking human neural interface that completely changes our cognitive function and dissolves all boundaries.
00:47:17.000You're not going to stop people from...
00:47:21.000There's people that don't like people from other cities because they play sports against them.
00:47:47.000Anna Kasparian got sexually assaulted by a homeless person.
00:47:50.000So when she's walking down the street, she's probably going to be...
00:47:54.000Recoil a bit maybe and if she sees someone home, you know, it's there's a human psychological element She's gonna try probably not to do the business human nature if you have a bad experience and it's gonna Goes back to how we see the world, but you're right.
00:48:06.000Yeah, we'll never be able to solve racism Well, that's the type of bias that like is kind of logical like if you see a guy and he's covered his own shit and he's you know lighting Notebooks on fire.
00:48:16.000That guy might be out of his fucking mind.
00:48:49.000And if you pretend it's not a problem because, you know, oh, you have to be sensitive to people's socioeconomic needs and it's a housing crisis and it's a this and it's a that.
00:49:04.000And if you grow up with abusive parents who are drug addicts themselves and in and out of jail and you've been psychologically scarred since you were a baby because they beat you and you've encountered a lot of domestic violence, you're going to be more fucked up than the average person.
00:49:20.000This is just the development cycle of you as an entity, as a human being that is...
00:49:26.000A product of your accumulated experiences, your genetics, your biology, your environment.
00:49:33.000And to pretend that those factors don't exist, and that if you do recognize them, that somehow or another you're racist, or you're sexist, or you're ableist, or you're this or you're that.
00:49:46.000No, the problem is we've got a bunch of people that are really fucked up.
00:49:49.000You know, and we have to figure out a way to have less people that are fucked up.
00:49:53.000You're always going to have a certain percentage, but is there something that can be done that would mitigate the number of people that are growing up really fucked up and becoming problems?
00:50:21.000But even personal responsibility for a person that has no...
00:50:25.000There's no examples of someone taking personal responsibility.
00:50:29.000Everyone around you is doing something fucked up or most people around you are doing something fucked up.
00:50:34.000And there's nowhere you can turn or you can relate to someone who can give you tools and objective reasoning and an understanding of how you got to the situation and what are the steps you can take to get out of that.
00:51:24.000Except for having someone hopefully come along and provide that.
00:51:29.000Right, or finding something that you can do that elevates you, finding something you can do that gives you a very clear example that hard work and dedication can lead to success and then you can kind of get addicted to this positive feeling that you're getting from seeing yourself progress and get locked into that and it can elevate you out of certain situations.
00:51:49.000You see that happen with sports, you see that happen with art.
00:51:53.000You know, sports and art are probably the two best ways that people can escape impoverished childhoods and bad neighborhoods.
00:52:00.000The student who was, we're not supposed to have fairs, but was my favorite, he came from that kind of background, but he could draw like I've never seen.
00:52:57.000But how do you then take that talent for drawing and show him that this can be monitored?
00:53:01.000monetized man like you could be up like yeah let's get you maybe freelancing i worked as a freelance videographer it's a it's a hustle but it's a way you're not gonna make but it's better than nothing like trying to think outside the box and he ended up getting kicked out for a stupid he didn't want to go on a field trip one day and he was like um he made an offhand passing comments He's like, I don't want to go on the field trip.
00:53:34.000And this goes back to the idea of telling the truth.
00:53:37.000What got me is they lied to him and told him because the teacher that he said it to, you're compelled to report it and everything and we run it up the chain.
00:53:45.000I don't think he should have been kicked out.
00:54:55.000That's the only art that I was interested in.
00:54:58.000I read a lot of comic books and I was really into Frank Frazetta and I was really into Jack Kirby and all these different artists that would draw for comic books and fantasy novels and that kind of stuff.
00:55:20.000Shout out to my friend John DeVore because I communicate online with a buddy of mine in high school who was also in that art class who was the most talented guy in the class.
00:55:29.000It was me, John, and our friend Kevin.
00:55:33.000And we were like the three most talented people.
00:55:41.000Much more talented than everyone else and all we wanted to do was like comic book art and John was so good and he told me that that teacher gave him an F in his final year.
00:59:32.000Put it on YouTube, put it on Apple, but it's a Spotify exclusive and we work out this deal that way.
00:59:38.000So when we take these videos that were available on Spotify, in order to put them on YouTube, even though they're factually correct, they have a strike against them because it's still adhering to their old laws that were applicable at the time that we made the video.
01:00:01.000I don't know which case you're talking about.
01:00:04.000You know, where you were saying that there was a video that we were going to put up, but it had a strike, and you were going to have to do training.
01:00:45.000The problem is the things that they were saying were accurate.
01:00:48.000Yeah, something changed in the news and they were like, that's actually accurate now, but the system had already, there was no way to change it in the system.
01:00:56.000It's just the news started reporting it accurately.
01:00:59.000And because initially the government narrative was that it was incorrect.
01:01:05.000So we're in the situation where you're getting educated about something that's absolutely true and you have to sort of pretend that you did a bad thing.
01:01:13.000It's scary for me because this is literally how I make a living.
01:05:45.000And then when it was being suppressed, and I knew it was being suppressed.
01:05:50.000I talked to Spotify and talked to Elon and said let's just put it on X and so we put on X as well and then Elon put it on X and It wound up getting across all platforms somewhere in the neighborhood of like 250 million views Fucking insanity, but a lot of it was X Like a lot of people on independent pages, they just took it when it was a problem finding it and they just uploaded it to their own channel on X. A lot of people did that.
01:07:43.000A lot of people are really grateful you did that.
01:07:45.000Yeah, I you know, I wanted to just like we were clearly being manipulated We were clearly being gaslit and being told that this guy's Hitler.
01:07:58.000Even though he was already the president for four years.
01:08:01.000And he wasn't, he didn't act like a dictator.
01:08:04.000Like, we know what it's like when he's running things.
01:08:10.000And they were telling us that this was the end of civilization, that trans people were going to be rounded up and fucking nets thrown on them.
01:08:19.000It was really wild that people weren't going to be safe.
01:08:24.000Yeah, they just demonized and they gaslit people to the point where when you actually do have the guy in and talk to him and say like, no, he's not mentally compromised.
01:09:10.000You develop better systems for water distribution, sprinkler systems.
01:09:16.000There are ways to do this, and he talked about those ways on the podcast, and it's like, you know, eerily accurate when you see what happened to the Pacific Palisades.
01:11:55.000And it's one of those guys talking like this, because that's how they talked in the news back then.
01:12:00.000So it's a 1961 documentary about the fires.
01:12:03.000And so when I was talking to this fireman, I think it was 2003, if I'm correct, I think it was 2003. And we were experiencing a fire, and he told me, because where I lived, I had been evacuated three times.
01:12:21.000I've been evacuated in the early 2000s.
01:12:24.000So give me some volume on this so you can hear the way this guy talks.
01:12:28.000Ground cover in the Western Hemisphere.
01:12:33.000The fire starting from its point of origin north of Mulholland on Stone Canyon.
01:12:38.000Spreads out along canyon walls in three directions.
01:12:41.000Clames begin spreading at the rate of 13 acres per minute.
01:12:45.000We've got a report of four people trapped on foot between Shallon and Roskamera.
01:12:50.000We need help from the police department.
01:12:52.000How can a modern water system properly designed to meet emergency fire conditions fail to function?
01:13:02.000484 times fire proved its deadly efficiency by incinerating in a few roaring minutes what families had taken years to acquire.
01:13:41.000They put a city in the fucking desert because they wanted to film movies there.
01:13:45.000It's also windy in the winter, because you get the Santa Ana winds, which is what just occurred, where you get these 100 mile, they're historic.
01:14:02.000Where I used to live, it was fire season.
01:14:05.000And every time the winter would come, and everything was dry, and all the vegetation was brown, and the wind was whipping around, everybody would get nervous.
01:14:14.000Because you get, you know, there's a bunch of different reasons.
01:14:18.000The one big one from 2018, they found out that it was like some part that had failed that initially caused the fire that was a $1 part.
01:14:30.000This $1 piece that they failed to replace.
01:14:36.000Caused the sparks that led to the initial fire that was the 2018 fire where you saw, if you go down the 405 in Hollywood, like half of the side of the highway was completely engulfed in flames.
01:15:39.000They arrested people for starting fires.
01:15:42.000They've arrested multiple people for starting fires.
01:15:45.000My friend Andrew Huberman filmed people starting fires.
01:15:50.000They were starting fires in the middle of this fire disaster because it doesn't mean it's the cause of it.
01:15:57.000It means along the way there was a lot of arson.
01:16:00.000Like some people were saying that, you know, oh, there's this false narrative that it was the homeless people.
01:16:05.000Like, okay, whether they had a house or whether they didn't have a house, some people started fucking fires.
01:16:11.000There's video footage of the three fires that are started semi-simultaneously.
01:16:17.000That are near the Palisades and on one of the video footage It's very clear that there's a human being is like from the sky where they're filming this There's a human being that's near the fire Most likely the cause of the fire was a person who either accidentally did this or did it on purpose lit a fire So the problem is not fucking climate change.
01:16:40.000The problem is LA is extremely vulnerable When it comes to fires, and always has been, and they've done very little to mitigate this yearly disaster problem that they have.
01:16:59.000Do you think Gavin Newsom's going to, is this going to be the end of him, or are people going to put up with it?
01:17:05.000I would like to think that people would wise up.
01:17:07.000I mean, there's been a trend in California to vote in the opposite direction.
01:17:11.000If you look at the map of 2020 versus the map of 2024, the counties that went red, like a significant number.
01:17:17.000But the high population centers are in the trance.
01:17:22.000San Francisco, Los Angeles, very difficult to get those people to vote anything other than blue.
01:17:27.000And so if the people that are Democrat are giving them the exact same...
01:17:32.000The exact same gaslighting, and they keep buying it over and over again and they still win elections, then there's no incentive for them to correct course.
01:18:08.000There was some sort of a voting issue where he allowed people from...
01:18:14.000I think it was people that emigrated here illegally from Mexico.
01:18:18.000There's coffee and water, whatever you'd like.
01:18:21.000There's water in that glass right there.
01:18:23.000But California is basically locked blue.
01:18:26.000And the only thing that's going to change it is things like these Pacific Palisades fires, where people realize we have an incompetent government.
01:18:33.000And if we have competent government that is right-wing, and as long as they don't infringe on civil rights and human rights and all the things that we're terrified of from right-wing extremists, as long as they don't do that, you'll probably be better off leaning in that direction.
01:18:48.000direction, if someone's going to take a pragmatic solution, a pragmatic view of what these problems are and make meaningful change.
01:18:57.000Like you've got to figure out what is – first of all, with the fires, it's like this all could be prevented.
01:19:10.000So you have record growth of all these grasses and brush and all this stuff.
01:19:14.000So it's all green and lush until LA runs out of water because it stops raining for a long time and then everything turns brown and then it's tender.
01:19:58.000The firefighters are saying once the fire is raging, even if they had 100 trucks, you're dealing with 100-mile-an-hour winds, and you've got this enormous...
01:20:07.000If someone did start these fires, if they were started by arson, the way they did it was very strategic because they essentially did it upwind.
01:20:17.000They did it like right where the wind was going to blow the fire into the city.
01:20:21.000Like if you started that fire at the outskirts of the city, it would just burn to an area that's not populated.
01:20:27.000They started it right where all the brush was, right where all the woods were, where the wind was at its back.
01:20:33.000And then they started it in multiple areas so that it would come and spread out in this way that was like impossible to stop.
01:20:42.000So once it gets big, like to this day, like what is the fire?
01:20:46.000Yesterday I read that it was 60, I think it was 65% contained.
01:21:12.000I'm going to send you this, Jamie, because it's a helicopter that is flying over the Palisades, and you get to see, like, the extent of the devastation.
01:21:22.000And until you see it, like, with your own eyes from the air, it's hard to understand how big the destruction is, how enormous the amount of land that was destroyed, the amount of homes that were destroyed.
01:22:11.000So now, not only are these homes burnt, but everything that was in the homes, all the plastics, all the chemicals, all the batteries, Teslas, all these different electric cars, all the electronics, all the toxic chemicals that come from the building materials, all that has now seeped into the ground.
01:22:33.000And will eventually seep into the water.
01:22:36.000It's going to get into the water supply.
01:22:38.000It's probably going to get into the ocean.
01:22:57.000Because this is not just automobile smog.
01:22:59.000This is not just dry dirt kicked up by the wind, which they've always had.
01:23:04.000The smog in Los Angeles existed before there were cars, because there was always this problem with the way the valley is shaped.
01:23:15.000The valley just contains all this air in there, and you would get dust.
01:23:22.000Even back before there were fucking cars or if there was anybody that was burning coal or you had fireplaces or that kind of shit, you're getting all that smoke that was always contained in that area.
01:23:37.000And so then on top of that, you've got all these homes that were burnt and all this toxic waste, all this burning plastic and burning chemicals.
01:23:47.000Now that's all in the air and no one's discussing that.
01:23:51.000Like, it has to be bad for you if you live near that.
01:23:55.000All those firemen that are breathing that shit in, that's gonna have long-term health consequences for those guys.
01:24:02.000For all those people that are dealing with all that shit, all those people that are anywhere near it, your air is air of like...
01:24:10.000Do you know the story of the toxic burn pits from Iraq in Afghanistan?
01:24:15.000So, during the war, when troops were on a base...
01:24:20.000Overseas, they would take all their garbage and burn it.
01:24:24.000So they burned it in these waste pits.
01:24:27.000And so the wind would shift and blow through the camp.
01:24:31.000And all these people are breathing toxic air, extremely toxic.
01:24:37.000In fact, Biden's son died from a brain cancer that they connect to his exposure in the military.
01:27:12.000I was reading through something on the New York Times.
01:27:14.000One possible thing, which doesn't sound right, but they're just going, it's possible.
01:27:17.000In that area, someone was lighting fireworks on the night of the 1st, and there was a small fire that started, and some firemen went up to put it out, and they stayed to see if it was going to catch back up.
01:27:27.000And five days later, they're like, is that the same fire?
01:27:30.000Because it was in really close to the same spot.
01:27:33.000It would be real weird if it started back up five days later.
01:28:04.000Eco-terrorism, these friends living out of a van, they go around and back, originally monkey wrenching was sabotaging for environmental reasons, big equipment to fight back against that kind of thing.
01:28:19.000I had a friend back in high school, went to this boarding school and he was really into it and that's where I learned about this book but it wouldn't surprise me if that kind of thinking carried over in someone.
01:28:30.000Because we saw a copycat, so there's definitely people out there that have a reason.
01:29:18.000There were fake firefighters that were arrested and there was also fake cops.
01:29:22.000But I think that was, if I had to guess, it was more about stealing than anything because there was organized looting where they were breaking into homes in areas where there were people going to be abandoned.
01:29:33.000LA, man, it's not my cup of tea, but it's tragic.
01:29:37.000One of those firefighters has a history of arson.
01:29:39.000That's why they're talking about this.
01:32:18.000That's not like putting a person on Venus.
01:32:21.000This is like something that could be done.
01:32:23.000Like, if you have enough money for all that, you've spent $24 billion on the homeless crisis, didn't put a dent in it, you could have fixed the brush.
01:32:31.000You could have fixed that reservoir that was empty.
01:32:35.000Giant 11 million gallon reservoir of water completely dry.
01:33:14.000Like I said, I was evacuated multiple times, but I've seen multiple other fires that I wasn't evacuated from that were huge in all sorts of areas around LA. It's dry as fuck.
01:33:27.000One of the big ones that we experienced was, it was like we were out filming in, like, out in the Tachapi area.
01:34:03.000So this has always been a problem with L.A. So these climate change kooks, these left-wing kooks that want to put everything into these, like, very binary categories.
01:34:14.000Like, this is because the Republicans refuse to agree to climate change and call climate change as a hoax.
01:36:27.000And I think the only thing that's going to snap people out of it is something like this, where they realize like, oh my god, these people are completely incompetent.
01:36:35.000It used to be the homeless situation was a little bit of a wake-up call.
01:36:40.000This is like next level incompetence wake-up call.
01:36:43.000And so I'm hoping that someone can come along that's a reasonable conservative person that can shift things in California, like appeal to people's concerns when it comes to social issues, you know, women's rights, gay rights, the things that people are terrified of when it comes to right wing.
01:37:02.000You know, when you think about like far right fascist governments that are going to clamp down on people's rights, like what we're really worried about is disenfranchised people and marginalized groups and people that are more.
01:37:14.000So if someone can just like appeal to that.
01:37:17.000So like we have no desire to stop gay marriage.
01:37:20.000We have no desire to limit women's reproductive rights.
01:37:24.000But what we do want to do is make a more fiscally sound city and have more conservative policies in terms of what are we spending our money on and what are the results?
01:37:34.000You can't just say, oh, we work for a homeless initiative.
01:37:37.000And so, oh, well, you got a blank check.
01:38:20.000And the problem with California is very unique and more unique than New York in that California, the entire city, is established around the entertainment industry.
01:38:32.000And it's established around the dream.
01:38:34.000If you go to Los Angeles, you can make it.
01:38:37.000Well, in order to go to Los Angeles and make it, if you're an actor, you have to audition.
01:38:42.000And when you're auditioning, you're auditioning to people that almost universally have a very specific political ideology.
01:39:03.000For the most part, if you are an actor and you want to work in Hollywood, and by the way, Mel Gibson and all those guys will hire left-wing people.
01:39:11.000These people will not hire right-wing people.
01:39:14.000So you see everyone sort of morph their personality and morph their political ideology and their social ideology around what's going to get them picked.
01:39:25.000Because when you're an actor, you have to get picked.
01:39:28.000So if you and I go for a part, and there's a bunch of other people going for a part, and we're all similarly qualified in terms of the look that this part is looking for, a lot of it is determined about whether they like you.
01:39:41.000And Hollywood runs off the blacklisting idea.
01:40:56.000Those kind of independent movies that I remember being in high school before going into film school and watching those Monsters Ball, Candy, these small, independent movies that made you feel like they were just made for you.
01:41:12.000They weren't like Marvel or Disney, right?
01:41:15.000And we don't see those anymore because everything's changing in the industry for multiple reasons.
01:41:22.000The strikes had a lot to do with it, I think.
01:41:24.000It's this strange paradox where you have more of an ability to reach an audience than ever before, but there's fewer writing positions, movies being made.
01:41:32.000There's this hiring shortage, but cameras more accessible than ever.
01:41:39.000You were talking about the potential for someone to come along.
01:41:43.000I mean, I think it's only a matter of time until it does happen.
01:41:47.000The Daily Wire is trying kind of with Pendragon Cycle.
01:42:24.000There's all these different parameters.
01:42:26.000You're not SAG-sanctioned, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
01:42:28.000If Daily Wire could land the Pendragon cycle and it were to be a solid enough story on the equivalence of, like, Game of Thrones, it could change so much.
01:42:39.000But there's the recent Brett Cooper stuff that's going on.
01:42:42.000It's just so much Brett Cooper leaving the Daily Wire.
01:44:49.000And there was this theory that they had trained Reagan with, they hired an acting coach because her mannerisms were the exact same, hand movements, everything.
01:44:59.000We were talking about nonverbal communication, the importance of that.
01:45:57.000It's hard when someone is a part of a channel and then their show blows up and they realize, like, oh, I could have done this on my own, which is the reality.
01:46:07.000The reality is, like, being a part of a channel, like, it doesn't really get you much, obviously, because the new show only has 40,000 views, right?
01:48:40.000And then your channel grows organically.
01:48:42.000And then you don't have to deal with executives telling you what kind of guests you should have on or what topics you should avoid or what things you should accentuate.
01:48:51.000We would like you to talk about this today.
01:51:43.000And they hire writers to crack the story, almost like it's a math problem.
01:51:47.000So to me, that indicates that there's this fabric, this is how I think about it, there's this fabric of reality that stories tap into that you're trying to connect to, so you feel it when it clicks in, and you're almost, when it is, when it does click and you have that hook, you're like, this is the reason to make...
01:54:15.000And then he does what he does with the Shepard tone, which is in Batman and all of his movies.
01:54:20.000It's an ascending tone, like a barbershop spiral that is infinite.
01:54:25.000Ryu, the first sound is like crescendo and then it fades out and the middle one is consistent and the top one is going down and it sounds to the human ear infinite.
01:54:35.000He took that which he's used in the Batman's bike, the music he's used in the prestige in most of his movies.
01:54:43.000If you listen to Dunkirk, you hear this sound, and it's just increasing tension, and you don't even notice it almost.
01:54:48.000It's because it never reaches a crescendo, so you feel like something's off, but you never quite get there.
01:54:54.000He then takes that and structures the frickin' story as a shepherd tone to the point where, at the very end, and you are in that frickin', the golden ratio, so this is the meat of the movie, and that final hour of air...
01:55:37.000Obviously aware of email, he's aware of phones, but I think he's probably one of those guys who goes, you know what, the more that's coming in that's influencing me, it's gonna fuck with my ability to have a vision, a unique personal vision based on what I know resonates with people and what I know resonates with me and how to make a story that really works.
01:55:58.000Yeah, I think you're writing for yourself.
01:56:01.000You should treat yourself like, that's what I do with my YouTube stuff.
01:56:06.000You don't try and do it for annoyance.
01:57:49.000From a producer's perspective, yeah, you're not going to hire a frickin' 18. You're going to hire someone over 18 for labor laws, for sure.
01:57:55.000Well, how about to hire someone that's 18?
01:57:58.00019, so then you can get around the labor.
01:58:01.000Okay, even 18, 19. At least she looks like she could be 17. Yeah, that's her.
01:59:03.000Everything in your goddamn life is made with oil.
01:59:05.000Everything in your hair, everything in your car, everything in your phone, everything in your fucking life is made with oil.
01:59:12.000And you're reading Elon's biography on the airplane, but do you think he could get the solution with the battery walls and the battery roof?
01:59:57.000So when I drive my Tesla, oftentimes I don't even have to hit the brakes because I just let off the gas when I'm getting close to an intersection.
02:00:04.000I gently tap the brakes when I get close to the line where the red light is.
02:00:08.000But when you're driving normally, it's like one foot driving.
02:00:11.000The brakes work, but you don't have to use them.
02:00:13.000Because when you let off the brakes, or let off the gas rather, the car slows itself.
02:01:03.000And there's a problem with guardrails because of that.
02:01:05.000So guardrails are designed for a car that's a specific weight.
02:01:09.000And, you know, most cars weigh somewhere in the neighborhood of 4,000, 5,000 pounds.
02:01:15.000But when you add batteries, so if you have a car that's filled with enormous amounts of batteries, that car is a lot heavier than a regular car.
02:01:26.000And some of those cars just go right through those guardrails.
02:01:56.000So, like, you know when you clean your car and if you're washing your car, you go to the wheels, there's all that dust that's around, the dark dust that's around the wheel that you have to clean.
02:02:07.000So if you live in a place that has high traffic and, like, stop-and-go traffic, you get brake dust everywhere.
02:02:12.000I'm reading an article that kind of disagrees with that, and it explains why here in this third paragraph.
02:02:17.000Okay, so it says, Many of the claims about EVs causing air pollution reference figures from Emission and Analytics, a private company.
02:02:24.000Founder Nick Molden said that its measurements show that particulate emissions can be 1,850 times more than those from modern car exhaust, which have become cleaner because of regulations.
02:02:35.000But the headline finding needs some context.
02:02:37.000The tests have not been peer-reviewed by scientists.
02:02:40.000And the industry disputes the findings.
02:03:58.000So just because it hasn't been peer-reviewed doesn't mean it's true.
02:04:02.000And the reason why they're saying this is because they're trying to put it into context.
02:04:06.000Like, yes, electric vehicles are generally better for the environment, particularly if you have regenerative braking, but there's also an added element.
02:04:14.000What the solution might be is to make carbon fiber brakes standard.
02:04:20.000Carbon ceramic brakes standard that you need them just like you need catalytic converters.
02:05:51.000But if we could just have, like, one designated area in the center, like, take, you know, a state and fucking make that state just a battery, maybe that would work.
02:06:00.000Yeah, maybe L.A. Maybe when L.A. burns to the ground, like, look, it's already toxic.
02:06:04.000Let's just turn the policies into a battery.
02:06:06.000How are they going to rebuild if it's like, yeah, there's nothing we can do?
02:06:11.000Well, it's also the fire insurance problem that a lot of insurance companies pulled their fire coverage because they're like, look, nothing's being done to stop these fires.
02:07:59.000I was just down there over the holidays and saw my brother and I, we invested in a little, the only thing I've ever invested in, like that little Airbnb, like super cheap and it's just gone.
02:08:44.000And if other countries aren't addressing that, I read something, find out if this is true, that China right now is responsible for more pollutants in the atmosphere, more carbon in the atmosphere than all the other countries combined.
02:09:02.000The majority of the pollutants in the atmosphere are coming from there, and they're not going to change.
02:09:07.000So you switching to an electric car or you stop using a gas stove or whatever you're doing, it's not going to have an impact if CO2 is entirely what's going on.
02:09:19.000And even if we got down to climate neutral, that doesn't stop global warming.
02:09:25.000It doesn't stop a shift in the change that has always gone up and down throughout recorded history.
02:09:31.000When we do ice samples, when they do core samples, and they go back 10, 15, 20,000, 50,000 years, there's always been enormous shifts in the temperature.
02:09:41.000Half of North America was covered in a mile-high sheet of ice up until 12,000 years ago.
02:09:47.000So miles in some places, more than a mile.
02:09:50.000So there's always been shifts in the climate.
02:09:53.000Long before there was any industrial revolution, long before there was any gas-powered cars, China emissions exceed all developed nations combined.
02:11:26.000It's never good for anybody to ignore the reality of what's going on.
02:11:30.000And there's a lot of, I mean, Peterson and you talked about this a lot, the postmodernism, the effect of postmodernism, the fact that there's an infinite variety of interpretations to stories, but that doesn't mean that there's not, everything's not just a social construct, and it doesn't mean that there's not an ideal to strive for.
02:13:04.000I think people ask me sometimes after all this video stuff, they're like, what would you recommend reading and studying for critical thinking?
02:13:10.000And I think Winston Churchill is the ultimate...
02:13:44.000That was a proposal from Winston Churchill at the end of World War II to go to war with Russia, that the Soviet Union was getting too big and powerful, and they would take the Nazis, that they'd take the German soldiers and then go invade Russia.
02:14:10.000The untold story of Churchill's role with Harvard, Harvard's role, the president of Harvard, meeting with Churchill secretly when the blitz was going on and Roosevelt was up for re-election, couldn't travel over there to meet with him because, and this echoes to today, exactly what we were talking about, 98% of the public were against involvement in World War II. That's why they called it the European conflict.
02:14:37.000And he couldn't be seen talking to Churchill in that way because they were publicly, they were like, nope, lend-lease program, we're not assisting.
02:14:46.000If you watch Darkest Hour, they do a good job of showing the extrangers.
02:14:50.000They're like, we can send horses to pull the weapons across the border, but we can't be seen.
02:14:54.000So he sent the president of Harvard of all places.
02:14:57.000This is where the Secret Scholar Society came from.
02:15:00.000It's the story, and I found it in the Harvard Archive when I was researching for my thesis film.
02:21:05.000It's illogical and weird, but it's a sign of this thing that is a real problem in today where people will pretend something is something other than what it is if it suits their narrative.
02:21:50.000Well, it's fascinating, but it also...
02:21:55.000What it does is it opens the door for people like yourself.
02:21:58.000It opens the door for reasonable, logical people who can talk about things in an objective, critical way and just, like, analyze, well, what is this?
02:22:15.000And in a time where there's very little reason, anybody that steps up and says something that resonates with people to the point where they're like, yes!
02:25:04.000There's a whole documentary on it, the subtext behind The Shining.
02:25:09.000The Shining is a fucking incredible movie, which, by the way, which is really interesting, Stephen King didn't even like.
02:25:15.000He didn't like that movie, which is so crazy because it was different than his novel.
02:25:20.000So in his novel, the Jack Nicholson character, I forget the name, the Jack Nicholson character starts off normal and becomes crazier and crazier.
02:25:30.000And what he didn't like is that Jack Nicholson is pretty on tilt right away and seems off from the very beginning and then just descent into madness accelerates very quickly.
02:26:32.000Kubrick's assistant says in an interview in 2013, like a year after the movie came out, that Kubrick would have agreed that 70-80% of that movie was pure gibberish.
02:26:42.000Because he wouldn't be doing stuff like that.
02:28:05.000Mathematics is just a language that allows us to articulate a form of those patterns.
02:28:09.000That said, what Stephen King said and what Kubrick's assistant said, Also rings true because people try to find patterns in everything, even patterns that don't exist.
02:28:19.000They always try to find conspiracies that don't exist and patterns that don't exist.
02:28:25.000There's a natural inclination that people have to uncover secrets.
02:29:46.000I mean, I do look at it that way because any kind of really intelligent discourse where you get to watch it and observe people talking about things, and you've done a lot of really good stuff where you're breaking down interviews and breaking down congressional testimonies and things like that and the way people are reacting to things and how people are laying stuff out.
02:31:51.000I think there's a lot of people that do that.
02:31:53.000And it's that kind of critical thinking.
02:31:57.000They gravitate towards it because there's not a lot of it in the world.
02:32:00.000And especially if you live in, if you exist day to day in a corporate culture.
02:32:06.000Where you're sort of locked into whatever ideology your company is and you're trying to make your way up the company ladder.
02:32:12.000So there's like office politics and there's a certain sort of mentality and narrative that's been distributed through the company and you're connected to it.
02:32:20.000Like you're very suppressed and your thinking is very boxed in and you're forced to put those blinders on that we talked about earlier.
02:32:27.000You have to put those on if you want to move in the company.
02:32:29.000If you're in an environment that requires you to behave and think a certain way in order to...
02:33:35.000Yeah, and they can sniff that out so fast.
02:33:38.000And now there's examples of the rules being bullshit.
02:33:42.000You know, now because of your show and a bunch of your Jordan Peterson, a bunch of different things that are available now for young people to consume, they can realize like, no, these people that are making these rules are idiots.
02:33:57.000They might have a lot of information that they can spit out that makes them seem logical.
02:34:02.000But they're not looking at things correctly.
02:34:03.000they're they're captured by a narrative yeah i reading elon's books like on the airplane he had that algorithm it's essentially If there's a regulation, if there's a rule, figure out who's requiring that rule, question it.
02:34:21.000I forget the other ones, but it's making it all more efficient.
02:34:24.000It all stems from just questioning everything.
02:34:27.000That's what's going to be really interesting about him becoming a part of the Department of Government Efficiency.
02:34:34.000If he's going to apply that to the most inefficient...
02:35:23.000To me, the Department of Government Efficiency and then the Make America Healthy Again movement, those are the two most fascinating things that are going on simultaneously with the Trump administration.
02:35:36.000Because I'm so curious because there's so many hurdles with whatever Bobby Kennedy is going to have to jump through to make real change.
02:35:44.000And you're seeing the response to that, like red dye number three getting pulled by the Biden administration.
02:35:49.000Like, hey, motherfuckers, you could have done that a long time ago.
02:35:53.000You knew that stuff shouldn't have been in food.
02:38:00.000There's like 200 students in the auditorium.
02:38:02.000They come up on stage, and he's applying critically.
02:38:05.000He challenged them on the CEO of Papa John's concept, where he got fired for saying the N-word with the context of, that's not a good thing to say.
02:39:21.000And there's a lot of resistance because there's been gatekeepers to information that have existed for the longest time, and it made the distribution of propaganda much more easy.
02:40:30.000There's a concept in jiu-jitsu that the Gracies came up with about cooking someone.
02:40:37.000And the idea is, like, someone can spaz out in the beginning, they can be real strong and pull out of submissions, but eventually I'm gonna cook them.
02:40:46.000Eventually, I'm going to keep hitting my moves until I'm going to get to a dominant position.
02:40:50.000They're going to get tired, and I'm going to cook them, and then I'm going to submit them.
02:40:56.000If Hoist Gracie had a jiu-jitsu match with a giant bodybuilder and the match was only 10 seconds long, he might not be able to get the guy in 10 seconds.
02:41:48.000She is dealing with incredible pressure of being in front of millions of people.
02:41:55.000They're all scrutinizing every word she says, and that pressure causes people to bumble their words and say things in cycles because they're trying to dismount and they don't know how to.
02:42:05.000Maybe they're not the best public speaker.
02:42:07.000Maybe they're not the most articulate at forming sentences, but they have good ideas, and you've got to get those people comfortable.
02:42:14.000You've got to find out what is in there.
02:42:18.000My thought was there was a few things they didn't want to talk about.
02:42:21.000They initially didn't want to talk about internet censorship, but then they changed their mind and did want to talk about it, which I thought was interesting.
02:43:13.000Because you could fucking bumble it, you could fuck up, you know, or you could be Trump, where he comes in, he doesn't give a fuck, there's no discussion whatsoever about topics, he'll talk about anything.
02:44:03.000So someone fucked up and released, like, a teaser of the conversation.
02:44:10.000And in the teaser, she was bumbling and fumbling to answer this question.
02:44:17.000In the actual show on CBS, they had edited that and put in a completely different answer to something else as the answer to this question that seemed more logical and made more sense.
02:44:33.000You released it on video on the internet first, and then you had a different version on CBS. Do you think people don't remember something that was just released?
02:44:46.000But in between the time that the video—his—this is Trump's argument—in between the time the video was released on the internet and the response that it got, all the negativity and all the criticism that it got and all the backlash to how she responded to that question, they edited it and changed the response.
02:45:35.000And if you don't and if You're kind of bumbling around your words.
02:45:39.000People should be able to see that because that's one of the things that we're deciding this election on.
02:45:45.000For someone like her that's had those kind of experiences where she said the wrong thing and said things like, God, I wish I had a chance to reconsider that.
02:45:54.000Because that thing that you say, even if it's under a high-pressure situation like an interview on CBS, that high-pressure situation that caused you to fumble, now people are going to say, that is your opinion, period.
02:46:07.000Meanwhile, if she had time to consider that...
02:46:11.000Question and come up with a logical answer and then like rehearse that logical answer and been ready She might have done a much better job.
02:46:19.000So That's the fear of not having any power over editing because in a three-hour conversation You can't really prepare.
02:46:28.000I think they did think they had a preparation The only thing that makes sense to me is why they would just change their tune on internet censorship that they wanted to talk about that They must have had some sort of logical reason why a certain amount of censorship is important because you want to protect against misinformation, disinformation, and hate speech.
02:46:50.000And so this was something that Tim Walsh was saying openly when he was on the campaign trail, is that free speech does not include hate speech, but it does.
02:47:10.000So if you're talking about Bruce Jenner winning the decathlon, what are we saying?
02:47:14.000If you can't say Bruce Jenner, because if you want to look at the reality of this biological male who wins the Olympics as a male and then transitions to becoming a woman, if you're telling me that I can no longer discuss the fact that this was a biological male with a different name and it's hate speech, well, you've essentially put the handcuffs on reality.
02:47:38.000The quote, my favorite Churchill quote, democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others.
02:47:44.000And I use that if anyone tries to get into the free speech debate, I do think the approach that Elon's using on X, short of the law, freedom of speech, short of the law, we already have that objective line, that framework.
02:47:58.000We know when it's crossed, that's what the law is there for.
02:48:00.000We don't need any other subjective interpretations.