The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

00:00:00.000 The Joe Rogan Experience Join by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day Good to see you again my friend Hey!

00:00:15.000 It's always great to be here.

00:00:16.000 It's been a while.

00:00:18.000 Four years.

00:00:19.000 January 8th.

00:00:20.000 No, January 15th.

00:00:21.000 Was it really?

00:00:22.000 Yeah, that long ago.

00:00:23.000 Four years.

00:00:23.000 Jeez.

00:00:24.000 Yeah, it's been four years.

00:00:25.000 The last time you were here, right?

00:00:27.000 Correct.

00:00:27.000 Yeah.

00:00:28.000 I think the last two I was here.

00:00:29.000 So that was like right after a couple months after I moved here.

00:00:32.000 Yeah, so almost exactly four years.

00:00:35.000 Yeah.

00:00:35.000 Crazy.

00:00:36.000 Well, waiting was great.

00:00:40.000 Waiting?

00:00:40.000 Waiting.

00:00:41.000 I mean the time, four years, waiting to have another chat with you because so much has gone on since last we met.

00:00:49.000 Well, tell me.

00:00:49.000 What's going on?

00:00:51.000 Where do you want to start?

00:00:52.000 A? Z? Anywhere.

00:00:54.000 Anywhere.

00:00:55.000 Let's see.

00:00:56.000 You know, the family's expanding, which is great.

00:01:00.000 All three daughters have been married and each has a grandchild, which is making me feel old.

00:01:06.000 So I've ramped up, stepped up my hormonal treatment to keep me on edge because I want to be around a lot longer to take care of these kids or to be with the kids.

00:01:14.000 They're just 16 months, but they're still fantastic.

00:01:17.000 Unbelievable.

00:01:19.000 I love it.

00:01:19.000 That's great.

00:01:20.000 Absolutely love it.

00:01:21.000 But in the world that I work in, in the medical arena, it's been expanding rapidly.

00:01:27.000 The new administration has a part to play in it, which is great.

00:01:30.000 But even before that, the number of results that we're having, the outcome from TBI, PTSD, and what have you, has been accelerating because of some of our testing that we do, as well as our treatment that we've initiated.

00:01:48.000 Change since four years ago, since last time.

00:01:50.000 What have you added in the last four years?

00:01:52.000 Well, we've added a lot more nootropic, excuse me, not nutraceuticals, natural products into our regiment.

00:02:00.000 You know, I spent 16 years looking at the science behind things that can get into the brain and alter the inflammation that occurs in the brain.

00:02:07.000 The whole premise of everything that I've been doing for the last 30 years has been based upon inflammation in the brain.

00:02:13.000 And the inflammation is what stops all the chemistry and why we develop that.

00:02:19.000 I don't know if you saw the article, which is called Influence of Media on the Mental Health of America, which used to be called the Trump Derangement Syndrome, but I got so much backlash from having that title.

00:02:31.000 People wouldn't read it because of the title.

00:02:32.000 And it talks about how constant stress from the media.

00:02:36.000 Echo chambers, social media, reading all this bullshit, causes cortisol to go up.

00:02:42.000 No doubt.

00:02:43.000 And it shuts down a chemical that protects your brain called fractalkin.

00:02:47.000 And then it starts dumping all this inflammation and causes loss of serotonin, so you become more depressed.

00:02:53.000 It causes loss of melatonin, so you can't sleep.

00:02:56.000 Generates another group of chemicals that induce depression.

00:03:00.000 Yeah, it essentially generates this response in your body that prepares itself for a fight that never takes place.

00:03:07.000 Correct.

00:03:07.000 And then you're always thinking you're about to get into some sort of a physical altercation with an armed enemy coming over the top of the hill.

00:03:15.000 Vigilant state, just like our army goes through.

00:03:18.000 Constant stress.

00:03:19.000 Exactly.

00:03:20.000 And the thing, the army, and a lot of these people that you've worked with is...

00:03:24.000 From IEDs and from blowing through doors and stuff like that, they get damage to their pituitary gland.

00:03:31.000 You know, we've talked about it many, many times on the podcast.

00:03:34.000 But I think one of the misperceptions is, as you said, and I apologize for that, is that we think it's all due to pituitary gland, but it isn't.

00:03:42.000 In the work that we've been doing, it shows that when you have inflammation in the brain, regardless of how it's developed, whether or not it's IED or slip and fall, or as we've talked in the past, even wave run.

00:03:54.000 Or ski-doos, or skiing, or water skiing, snow skiing, or going to the range, the.50 caliber gunners.

00:04:03.000 What happens is it creates this inflammation that shuts off the ability of the brain to regulate the pituitary gland.

00:04:09.000 So you can do all the MRIs as they do at the VA and they see a normal pituitary gland and says, oh, pituitary is normal.

00:04:17.000 You've got PTSD.

00:04:18.000 But there's no radiological or neuroradiological procedure that will allow you to look at inflammation in the brain.

00:04:25.000 So they assume they can't find any structural damage that it has to be all psychiatric.

00:04:32.000 Sort of like when they used to have to diagnose CTE after you were already dead.

00:04:37.000 Correct.

00:04:38.000 Isn't that how they're doing it now?

00:04:39.000 No, I think they can scan for it now.

00:04:41.000 There's a PET scan that can look for the tau protein.

00:04:44.000 Is that what it is?

00:04:45.000 Yeah, tau proteins, hyperphosphorated tau becomes these NFTs, these neurofibril tangles, which is an interesting issue.

00:04:56.000 It's been part of my last year of deep dive, trying to find out why is it that you develop CTE? Or the symptoms relative to CT. Why is it that you develop the symptoms relative to Parkinson's or Alzheimer's or multiple sclerosis?

00:05:11.000 Well, it turns out that the biochemistry is all the same.

00:05:15.000 Something called beta amyloid, which is the hallmark for someone with Alzheimer's disease.

00:05:20.000 And then these tau proteins, hyperphosphylated tau proteins that they call NFTs, that they circulate around the blood vessels.

00:05:28.000 And they create this intense inflammation.

00:05:30.000 And that intense inflammation causes loss of blood supply, damage to neurons.

00:05:35.000 And you develop it.

00:05:37.000 So we've had, using our protocol...

00:05:40.000 We have our sixth case of multiple sclerosis that was totally put into remission.

00:05:46.000 It took 90 days to put him in remission.

00:05:50.000 Really?

00:05:51.000 Yeah, it's a video up on...

00:05:53.000 And what's the protocol that did that?

00:05:55.000 The protocol is the nutraceutical that drops the inflammation and replacing the hormones that are deficient that protect the brain.

00:06:03.000 What is in the nutraceutical?

00:06:05.000 In the nutraceuticals, there is quercetin.

00:06:09.000 You know about quercetin.

00:06:10.000 It's got DHA from omegas.

00:06:18.000 It has in it glutathione, anicylcysteine.

00:06:21.000 It's got B12. That's on one component of it.

00:06:25.000 The other component has B1, B2, which deals with neurocommunication.

00:06:29.000 And then it's got PQQ and CoQ10.

00:06:33.000 PQQ is a form of CoQ10.

00:06:35.000 It's a sister.

00:06:37.000 A hundred to a thousand times stronger, but it's what it does.

00:06:40.000 It increases mitochondrial function.

00:06:42.000 I know you've had a lot of people here talking about mitochondrial function, and that's a major piece in how to reverse things like neurodegenerative diseases and improve mental functioning.

00:06:53.000 I mean, products like you have.

00:06:56.000 Like AlphaBrain, you know, has an effect on improving mitochondrial function.

00:07:01.000 And that's what you want to do.

00:07:02.000 That's a key.

00:07:03.000 So you have to drop the inflammation because inflammation causes mitochondria that produce ATP. It causes mitochondrial dysfunction.

00:07:12.000 So in all those neurodegenerative diseases, mitochondrial dysfunction has been ignored in the past.

00:07:19.000 And you need to address it.

00:07:21.000 So PQQ and CoQ10 are two very, very potent.

00:07:26.000 Added together, they stimulate mitochondrial ATP production and replication of mitochondria.

00:07:33.000 Quercetin does the same thing.

00:07:35.000 That's why it's so important.

00:07:37.000 Quercetin, you were explaining to me before that it's an ionophore and that it gets ions into the bloodstream better, so it's when you consume it with zinc.

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00:09:08.000 But that's one.

00:09:11.000 That's one of its functions.

00:09:12.000 But there are five...

00:09:15.000 It's an ionophore, which is when we talked about COVID and zinc.

00:09:20.000 It carries zinc into the cell to shut down the ability of the COVID, SARS, from replicating.

00:09:26.000 Or antivirus, essentially, right?

00:09:27.000 Well, it works with SARS, and it works with influenza A and B. It works with rhinovirus and enterovirus, gut viruses, that you can get during summertime.

00:09:37.000 So what I was just getting at is it's beneficial for people all year round, not just people that think they might be getting...

00:09:43.000 Absolutely.

00:09:44.000 So I take 500 milligrams twice a day.

00:09:47.000 Of quercetin?

00:09:48.000 Of quercetin.

00:09:48.000 And how much zinc with that?

00:09:49.000 30 milligrams.

00:09:51.000 Okay.

00:09:51.000 I take 30. And you do that twice a day?

00:09:53.000 I do the quercetin twice a day, but zinc, because my levels are where they're at, I don't put a lot of zinc in because zinc's involved in about 300 processes in the body.

00:10:04.000 It's antiviral that we just talked about.

00:10:07.000 It's anti-Alzheimer's because it turns out that the production of The chemical called beta-amyloid, there's an enzyme that regulates it, and it's zinc-dependent.

00:10:18.000 So if it's working, it's called secretase.

00:10:21.000 It's called alpha-secretase.

00:10:23.000 It's zinc-dependent.

00:10:24.000 Beta-secretase is not.

00:10:26.000 So beta-secretase takes and makes the beta-amyloid that causes the Alzheimer's, the inflammation.

00:10:32.000 And with that inflammation, you then start getting the same thing in CTE. So in all these inflammatory conditions, they have the same beta amyloid and cause for CTE, the hyperphosphylated tau protein that we call NFTs, neurofibro tangles.

00:10:52.000 So they're all related.

00:10:54.000 So what quercetin does is it increases mitochondrial replication in about seven days, doubles the amount of mitochondria intracellularly.

00:11:03.000 It helps increase in the liver something called IGF binding protein 3, insulin-like binding protein 3. Binding protein 3 is always looked at as being the carrier for IGF-1, insulin-like growth factor, growth hormone.

00:11:18.000 Turns on in the liver, the production of insulin-like growth factor, which is the main below-the-neck growth factor for our body, improves protein synthesis, decreases inflammation, too.

00:11:31.000 Wow.

00:11:32.000 Okay.

00:11:32.000 A sidetrack.

00:11:33.000 When you're talking about beta amyloid and Alzheimer's, wasn't there a significant amount of fraud that was exposed about Alzheimer's studies that put into question a lot of the ideas that people had about Alzheimer's?

00:11:49.000 Wasn't that something that happened recently?

00:11:51.000 Well, in the train of thought on Alzheimer's, you know, they're saying that it's due to the recessive genes.

00:12:00.000 Well, if you look at the studies recently, 95% of the cases of Alzheimer's disease appear to be due to trauma and aging.

00:12:11.000 Trauma and aging.

00:12:12.000 So trauma, like head trauma?

00:12:15.000 Head trauma.

00:12:15.000 Because what happens is trauma stimulates the brain because of inflammation to increase the production.

00:12:23.000 of beta-amyloid, and it's because they found recently another secretase.

00:12:28.000 What secretases are, are the enzymes that convert a protein called APP, Alzheimer's precursor protein.

00:12:38.000 And it's a long protein, and two enzymes go in and clip it here and clip it here. 0.97

00:12:46.000 That's the bad stuff.

00:12:47.000 That's a beta secretase and a gamma secretase.

00:12:51.000 But they also have something called alpha secretase.

00:12:54.000 So if alpha secretase and gamma secretase cut this APP, it generates alpha amyloid, which is inert, not inflammatory.

00:13:04.000 So what did they find recently?

00:13:07.000 Something called delta secretase.

00:13:09.000 Delta secretase and gamma gives you beta amyloid.

00:13:14.000 So how do you generate delta secretase in the body?

00:13:19.000 Trauma?

00:13:20.000 Aging.

00:13:21.000 So that's why most of the cases of Alzheimer's disease are inflammatory-based.

00:13:28.000 So what are the things that...

00:13:30.000 I'm sorry, but most cases, is there a certain age where people start to develop it?

00:13:35.000 And has there been any cases of very young people to get Alzheimer's?

00:13:38.000 There's a young form of Alzheimer's, and that might be directly due to having had...

00:13:42.000 Head trauma and developing this delta amyloid or delta secretase, generating beta amyloid that creates the Alzheimer's disease.

00:13:54.000 As you get older, 65 years of age and above, that could be 5% genetic.

00:14:00.000 But I think what the literature is really speaking towards is that it all has an inflammatory basis.

00:14:07.000 Remember, trauma...

00:14:08.000 In the brain equates out to inflammatory processes.

00:14:12.000 It's part of the brain's ability to try and protect us.

00:14:15.000 Remove junk, bacteria, mold, viruses from the brain, and also metabolites of abnormal...

00:14:24.000 Metabolism in the brain.

00:14:25.000 Well, what was the scandal, the Alzheimer's research scandal?

00:14:29.000 Because it was pretty significant.

00:14:30.000 And they were saying that it throws into question all of these previous assumptions and therapies that they were providing for Alzheimer's disease.

00:14:39.000 And this person had made a significant amount of money.

00:14:43.000 Yeah.

00:14:43.000 It's the antibodies.

00:14:45.000 It's the treatment protocols, the antibodies against beta amyloid.

00:14:50.000 And they found that even though you were against beta amyloid, you were still progressing on to develop symptoms of Alzheimer's disease.

00:14:58.000 But they were talking about fraud.

00:15:00.000 This was like fraud in scientific research.

00:15:03.000 Yeah, this is recent.

00:15:04.000 How a retracted paper affected the course of Alzheimer's research.

00:15:08.000 But it's one paper, and what was the focus of?

00:15:10.000 Okay.

00:15:11.000 June 2024, landmark Alzheimer's research page was retracted due to fraud allegations.

00:15:17.000 Do we waste billions of dollars and thousands of hours of scientist time?

00:15:21.000 Maybe not.

00:15:22.000 Are new potentially hopeful drugs on the market?

00:15:25.000 Targeting the subject of the paper, amyloid beta.

00:15:28.000 The video breaks down the amyloid beta hypothesis, the fraud itself, and where we go from here.

00:15:33.000 So what is the fraud itself, Jamie?

00:15:35.000 Does it say?

00:15:36.000 So you can find an article that's just not a video, not attached to a video.

00:15:39.000 Beta amyloid data.

00:15:40.000 See, they've been relying on beta amyloid as being the focus.

00:15:44.000 And what they're finding is the treatment that addresses beta amyloid, antibody against beta amyloid, people are still getting...

00:15:51.000 Progression of the disease.

00:15:53.000 I understand this, but I just want to know what the fraud was.

00:15:55.000 Oh, okay.

00:15:56.000 So what is the fraud?

00:15:58.000 Amyloid hypothesis.

00:15:59.000 Scroll down a little bit, Jamie.

00:16:01.000 What's the fraud?

00:16:02.000 Where does it get to the...

00:16:03.000 What did the paper bullshit about?

00:16:05.000 Putting it into perspective.

00:16:10.000 Okay.

00:16:12.000 56 paper lead to...

00:16:14.000 But later published and failed to find...

00:16:18.000 Where's the fraud?

00:16:23.000 What's it say?

00:16:24.000 Let me try a different search.

00:16:26.000 Yeah, just find out, like, what was the – this seems, like, very involved.

00:16:30.000 This is a science journal.

00:16:31.000 Well, you know that in – there are papers that have been written about reproducibility.

00:16:39.000 Reproducibility is where a researcher does a paper, makes a claim about the results of his science, and then people look at that and they want to go and reproduce it to prove it.

00:16:50.000 They found that 70% of them can't be reproduced.

00:16:53.000 And when you looked at the actual scientists who did the original work, goes back and tries to reproduce it, 7% failure rate.

00:17:00.000 So there are major publications that have talked about this reproducibility error.

00:17:05.000 I mean, you can go on to Google Scholar or else into Google and look at reproducibility.

00:17:12.000 Okay, here it is.

00:17:13.000 But over the past two years, questions have arisen about some of...

00:17:18.000 Masila, how do you say his name?

00:17:20.000 Masila?

00:17:21.000 Masila?

00:17:24.000 Masila's research.

00:17:25.000 A science investigation has now found that scores of his lab studies at UCSD and NIA are riddled with apparently falsified western blots.

00:17:34.000 Images used to show the presence of proteins and micrographs of brain tissue.

00:17:39.000 Numerous images seem to have been inappropriately reused within the...

00:17:45.000 Within and across papers, sometimes published years apart in different journals, describing divergent experimental conditions.

00:17:52.000 After science brought initial concerns about Maslia's work to their attention, the neuroscientists and forensic analysts specializing in scientific work who had previously worked with science produced a 300-page dossier revealing a steady stream of suspect images between 1997 the neuroscientists and forensic analysts specializing in scientific work who had previously worked with science produced a 300-page dossier Science did not pay them for their work.

00:18:17.000 In our opinion, this pattern of anomalous data raises credible concern for research misconduct and calls into question a remarkably large body of scientific work.

00:18:27.000 Okay, so it seems like the fact that he was reusing the same images, stating that they were new images, so he was stacking the deck in his favor.

00:18:39.000 Right.

00:18:40.000 Because he had a point to make.

00:18:41.000 God, that's so gross.

00:18:43.000 $2.6 billion.

00:18:45.000 Jeez.

00:18:46.000 That's the National Institute of Health, yeah.

00:18:48.000 Jeez.

00:18:50.000 Dwarves the rest of the National Institute, the NIA combined.

00:18:54.000 He was in charge of the Division of Neuroscience.

00:18:56.000 That is so crazy.

00:18:57.000 So the budget of the Division of Neuroscience alone was $2.6 billion in the last fiscal year.

00:19:03.000 And this guy was a key leader.

00:19:08.000 For the effort.

00:19:10.000 Man, how gross.

00:19:12.000 But that's pressure and competition and very ambitious people who have shitty morals.

00:19:17.000 Right?

00:19:17.000 That's what that is.

00:19:18.000 Yes.

00:19:19.000 Publisher perish.

00:19:20.000 Publisher perish is the motto, right?

00:19:22.000 That's the motto.

00:19:23.000 If they don't publish and have a positive finding, they're not going to get funding for the next project that they have.

00:19:28.000 And when someone does publish, like this gentleman who allegedly published...

00:19:33.000 Falsified data.

00:19:35.000 Is there someone who goes over that stuff to make sure that that's not the case?

00:19:38.000 Yeah, the editors of the journal that he's presenting it to.

00:19:42.000 Right, but is there preferential treatment for people that are established scientists that are thought to be beyond criticism?

00:19:50.000 Like a gentleman like this who has an enormous position of power and a $2.6 billion budget behind him?

00:19:55.000 Well, but look at the bottom line.

00:19:57.000 Which pharmaceutical company was involved in it?

00:20:00.000 Okay.

00:20:01.000 Which pharmaceutical?

00:20:03.000 And, you know, that's one of the problems that, you know, RFK Jr. will be generating, is that as he finds that this science is 70%, you can't reproduce it, meaning that it's maybe not accurate.

00:20:21.000 Maybe there's a little bit of bias.

00:20:22.000 But that's being kind.

00:20:23.000 That's being kind.

00:20:25.000 I'm trying to be kind.

00:20:26.000 Yeah, because otherwise it's fraudulent, right?

00:20:28.000 It is.

00:20:28.000 Correct.

00:20:29.000 I was just reading an article about Alzheimer's that was claiming that Alzheimer's didn't even exist until modern times.

00:20:35.000 Statins.

00:20:37.000 Statins cause Alzheimer's?

00:20:38.000 Is that what you're saying?

00:20:39.000 This article was connecting it to our diet, the standard American diet.

00:20:43.000 And they were saying that all the bullshit food that people eat is contributing to this condition.

00:20:49.000 And what I was going to get to you is that would lead to inflammation, correct?

00:20:53.000 You got it.

00:20:53.000 Because the bullshit American diet filled with crap.

00:20:57.000 It's terrible for you, and that leads to inflammation.

00:21:00.000 You look at the inflammatory neurodegenerative diseases.

00:21:03.000 What does everyone have now?

00:21:04.000 It says a low-inflammatory diet.

00:21:08.000 Right.

00:21:08.000 That's what it talks about.

00:21:09.000 Also, in HIIT, in high-impact interval training and high-impact aerobics, what happens is you can increase a chemical in the brain called brain-derived neurotrophic factor, which is something that helps to improve neuron-to-neuron communication.

00:21:26.000 Neurology of your brain.

00:21:27.000 And I don't know if you saw, we have one of your favorite guys, Gerald McClellan.

00:21:32.000 I don't know if you've seen some of the papers that have come out.

00:21:35.000 He had a stroke in 95 fighting Nigel Benn in London.

00:21:42.000 And during that fight, it was a horrible fight if you've ever seen the...

00:21:46.000 It's a crazy fight.

00:21:47.000 So anyway, he...

00:21:50.000 Had a stroke from that.

00:21:51.000 He was hospitalized for 11 days in a coma in ICU in London.

00:21:56.000 Gets out.

00:21:56.000 His sister, Lisa McClellan, refuses to put him into a nursing home, into a hospice health.

00:22:02.000 Takes him into the house in Chicago and for 29 years dealt with him.

00:22:06.000 She develops an organization called Ring of Brotherhood where Muhammad Ali's niece and son, I think, are part of it.

00:22:14.000 And they take care of boxers who are leaving the ring who have symptoms, punch drunk or what do they call it, precox or pugilistic, dementia pugilistic.

00:22:27.000 Yeah.

00:22:27.000 And she contacted me and told me about her brother.

00:22:32.000 And I looked at stuff.

00:22:34.000 And what we did was we set up a fund and we paid for his laboratory work and his initial assessment.

00:22:39.000 And we found he was hormonally deficient.

00:22:42.000 So what we ended up doing is putting him on to the hormone replacement and to One of the peptides that we use, which is called Enosil C-Max, which stimulates the brain to produce more brain-derived neurotrophic factor.

00:22:58.000 He's in Chicago.

00:22:59.000 I'm in California or here in Texas, in Magnolia.

00:23:04.000 And one of our docs in Chicago took the lead.

00:23:07.000 I just gave her what to do.

00:23:09.000 He's 20% better in four months.

00:23:12.000 On the protocol.

00:23:13.000 He's now remembering things.

00:23:15.000 He's communicating.

00:23:16.000 He's on the phone.

00:23:18.000 And a boxing journalist, Oliver Fennell, came from London to Chicago and wrote a paper, which is called A Day in the Life of Gerald McClellan, and talks about what happened and where he's gone.

00:23:32.000 And he's had some improvement.

00:23:34.000 That's incredible.

00:23:36.000 Yeah, phenomenal.

00:23:37.000 20% improvement.

00:23:38.000 I'm sure we talked about Rick Perry before the podcast started, so I'm sure you're aware of his...

00:23:44.000 Push to legalize Ibogaine and start using Ibogaine for people with traumatic brain injuries.

00:23:51.000 And he was talking about how it regenerates neural tissue and helps people significantly.

00:23:56.000 And then on top of that, the addiction issue where people have addictions and Ibogaine is incredible for curing those, like literally curing them.

00:24:07.000 In one with one session, it's in the 80% range.

00:24:10.000 With two sessions, it's somewhere around...

00:24:13.000 Ninety-seven percent, which is just crazy.

00:24:16.000 Ninety-three to ninety-seven percent.

00:24:17.000 It's phenomenal.

00:24:17.000 I give a lot of credit to Rick Perry.

00:24:20.000 In 2022, they had HB 1802, which is the first bill in any state where the state put money into a research project at Baylor for psilocybin.

00:24:36.000 Is where he started.

00:24:37.000 So it was Rick Perry, Andrew Moore was part of it, along with Dr. Martin.

00:24:42.000 Shout out to our friend Andrew.

00:24:44.000 Yeah.

00:24:44.000 Hello, Andrew!

00:24:48.000 And let's see, Dr. Martin Polanco, who I'll cycle back to because the Ibogaine issue is what he helped to develop.

00:24:55.000 So it was also Representative Alex Dominguez.

00:25:00.000 Who helped to push it through to get the funding for it, and it's at Baylor with a doctor by the name of Lynette Avril, PhD.

00:25:09.000 She's, I believe, the one who's in charge of it.

00:25:11.000 But recently, you know, we have ayahuasca, we've got ibogaine, we've got LSD, we've got MMTA. The ibogaine seems to be really good for addiction.

00:25:23.000 And for neuroregeneration, which is what you were talking about, to improvement in the neurofunction, downside is the cardiovascular.

00:25:31.000 So it has to always be under a very strict, very close observation.

00:25:36.000 And the doctor that I talked about, M.D., Martin Polanco.

00:25:42.000 Who has clinics in Mexico, uses Ibogaine.

00:25:45.000 And one of our new vets who came on board in one of the other states set up a 508 charitable organization.

00:25:55.000 The 8 is a religious organization.

00:25:58.000 He imports Ibogaine from, I think it's Chile.

00:26:02.000 And gets it here in the States and then sends it to Mexico to Dr. Polanco to do studies.

00:26:08.000 So right now I believe he has the largest group of studies.

00:26:12.000 And one of the things that really has to be looked at is the compassionate use of these products.

00:26:19.000 You've got guys that are coming back from war who everything isn't working.

00:26:24.000 So you have to start pulling the stops out and treat them.

00:26:28.000 I mean, if you really want them to get better.

00:26:30.000 Especially when there's real evidence that there's not just anecdotal evidence that they work, but there's actual scientific evidence of their effectiveness.

00:26:39.000 There's mechanisms.

00:26:40.000 We understand.

00:26:41.000 Right.

00:26:42.000 So I think I might have sent you a preliminary paper.

00:26:45.000 I'm working on the neurotransmitters to identify how each one of the psychedelic-assisted therapeutic agents work in the brain.

00:26:55.000 And the science is already out there.

00:26:57.000 So what does it tell you?

00:26:58.000 The foundation for how they work, why they work, and how they work is already there.

00:27:02.000 So why aren't we using it?

00:27:05.000 Well, because of a stupid law that was passed in 1970 to punish...

00:27:11.000 Richard Nixon's political opponents.

00:27:13.000 That's really what it is.

00:27:14.000 Was it?

00:27:15.000 Yeah, that's what it is.

00:27:16.000 It was about the civil rights movement and the anti-war movement.

00:27:19.000 And so one of the ways to get at these people, they knew that one of the big shifts of culture, if you go back to...

00:27:26.000 We talk about it ad nauseum on the podcast, but there's just a gigantic shift in culture from the 1950s to the 1960s.

00:27:33.000 It's almost unimaginable the amount of change that takes place.

00:27:36.000 And what you have to imagine as a person today is 2015. Now, you think in time, things accelerate even more rapidly and change is more exponential.

00:27:47.000 It's more crazy in time.

00:27:49.000 And it's kind of sort of true with some technologies, especially today with AI. But if you go back to 2015...

00:27:55.000 And if you were just driving around in 2015, everything is essentially the same.

00:27:59.000 The phones look pretty much the same.

00:28:01.000 The cars look pretty much the same.

00:28:03.000 There's not much difference.

00:28:05.000 There's not much difference in your life.

00:28:06.000 If you go from 1959 to 1969, you have a totally different fucking world.

00:28:12.000 You have a totally different world of culture, totally different world of movies, totally different world of music, totally different world of automobile design.

00:28:21.000 You have a totally different world that I believe is inspired by psychedelic drugs.

00:28:27.000 And when Nixon throws the water...

00:28:30.000 On the psychedelic movement in 1970 and makes them all schedule one, including things that aren't even psychoactive.

00:28:36.000 By the way, missed a bunch of really good ones.

00:28:38.000 Missed a bunch of really good ones that are still legal.

00:28:42.000 One of them was salvia, which is fucking bananas, an insanely potent psychedelic drug that was completely legal.

00:28:50.000 So if you look at it culturally...

00:28:53.000 You see this shift.

00:28:55.000 You see the movies get clunkier and goofy.

00:28:57.000 You see the cars start to look like shit.

00:29:00.000 You see the music starts to suck.

00:29:02.000 It starts to be like real frivolous and very surface.

00:29:07.000 It's cocaine music, right?

00:29:09.000 It's not Led Zeppelin.

00:29:11.000 It's not psychedelic music.

00:29:12.000 It's not The Doors.

00:29:14.000 It's not Hendrix.

00:29:15.000 It's not Voodoo Child.

00:29:18.000 It's something completely divorced from feeling.

00:29:22.000 Right?

00:29:23.000 And this is because of Richard Nixon.

00:29:25.000 Okay.

00:29:25.000 So you're basically saying the importance of psychedelics in expanding the visions that we have to advance our culture and society has been removed.

00:29:35.000 Exactly.

00:29:36.000 I agree with you.

00:29:37.000 We talked about the sympathetic use.

00:29:41.000 Compassionate.

00:29:41.000 Compassionate use.

00:29:42.000 There's people that are going to use things and they're going to abuse things.

00:29:45.000 Just like you and I are having a glass of whiskey.

00:29:47.000 Cheers, sir.

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00:31:06.000 But we are responsible adults.

00:31:09.000 I'm entitled to a refill?

00:31:11.000 Yes, sir.

00:31:11.000 Get in there, you fucking drunk.

00:31:15.000 I took my glutathione.

00:31:16.000 I know you did.

00:31:17.000 I apologize.

00:31:19.000 I finally went back and listened to our first podcast for 38 from August 8, 2012. Damn, that long ago?

00:31:30.000 Wild.

00:31:31.000 13 years ago?

00:31:32.000 Wild.

00:31:33.000 It was wild.

00:31:33.000 And the thing that stuck out was...

00:31:36.000 Glutathione.

00:31:37.000 So I started this morning with my glutathione because I knew we were going to finish this bottle.

00:31:41.000 Oh, well, I'm not finishing that bottle.

00:31:43.000 There's not a chance in hell.

00:31:44.000 I have stuff to do.

00:31:46.000 Oh, we all do.

00:31:47.000 And I just worked out.

00:31:48.000 Did you take glutathione?

00:31:49.000 I haven't taken it yet.

00:31:50.000 No, I take it every night.

00:31:52.000 Sure.

00:31:52.000 If you got some, go get me some.

00:31:54.000 I take it every night.

00:31:57.000 I take liposomal.

00:31:58.000 That's what that is.

00:31:59.000 There you go.

00:32:00.000 Oh, I have to suck on this, right?

00:32:01.000 It tastes like shit.

00:32:02.000 No.

00:32:03.000 Brain Rescue number three.

00:32:04.000 No.

00:32:04.000 Is this your company?

00:32:06.000 Millennium.

00:32:07.000 Yeah, that's our product.

00:32:08.000 And that is our core product for fixing the guys with TBI. How's the new flavor?

00:32:16.000 That's actually good.

00:32:17.000 Oh, thank you.

00:32:17.000 That actually doesn't taste bad at all.

00:32:19.000 I always get nervous when you're eating something out of a tube.

00:32:22.000 Depends on whose tube it is.

00:32:24.000 Yes.

00:32:25.000 Isn't that true?

00:32:26.000 It's not actually even a tube.

00:32:27.000 I don't know why I said a tube.

00:32:28.000 It's a packet.

00:32:29.000 Like a ketchup packet.

00:32:31.000 There you go.

00:32:31.000 It's not ketchup.

00:32:32.000 But it doesn't taste bad at all.

00:32:33.000 No.

00:32:35.000 But yeah, you turned me on to glutathione a decade ago.

00:32:37.000 Decade plus.

00:32:38.000 Thirteen.

00:32:39.000 Yeah.

00:32:39.000 Long time ago.

00:32:40.000 Long time ago.

00:32:41.000 But yeah, because of meeting you, I really ramped up all of my nutritional supplements in a big way.

00:32:49.000 Because back then when I first met you, It had to be 15 years ago, right?

00:32:53.000 Somewhere around then?

00:32:54.000 Yeah.

00:32:55.000 Luis, when I first met you, I was just basically taking multivitamins.

00:32:58.000 I wasn't really strict about it.

00:33:01.000 And then when you started doing blood work and explaining things to me and breaking down the nutritional deficiencies, like you need niacin, you need this, you need that, I started taking all that stuff.

00:33:11.000 And it makes a significant difference.

00:33:13.000 It really does.

00:33:14.000 And I talk to a lot of people that are skeptical about vitamins, and they talk to their doctors, unfortunately.

00:33:19.000 And the reality is that you're very educated in this department, but many doctors.

00:33:24.000 Have a cursory, at best, understanding of nutrition.

00:33:28.000 Their specialty is their specialty.

00:33:31.000 If they're a urologist or they're an orthopedic surgeon, that's their specialty.

00:33:35.000 And most of them are very unhealthy, unfortunately.

00:33:38.000 Correct.

00:33:39.000 And they're under the illusion that you can get everything that you need to live optimally with a balanced diet.

00:33:46.000 That's horseshit, people.

00:33:48.000 Absolutely.

00:33:49.000 Yeah.

00:33:49.000 And you notice it eventually.

00:33:51.000 Look, when I go on vacation, I've gone on vacation before, like seven-day vacations, and not taking vitamins with me.

00:33:56.000 I feel shitty.

00:33:57.000 Yeah, man.

00:33:58.000 Yeah.

00:33:58.000 Like, I feel different.

00:33:59.000 Like, at the end of seven days, I'm like, Jesus, I need some fucking vitamins.

00:34:02.000 So I don't do that anymore.

00:34:03.000 Now when I go on vacation, I take vitamins with me.

00:34:06.000 I'm like, what's the big deal?

00:34:07.000 I pack underwear, pack my fucking vitamins, and I just make sure that I have everything that I need.

00:34:12.000 And if I don't do that, I don't feel the same.

00:34:14.000 And I think it's just the difference between being alive.

00:34:17.000 Do you need it to be alive?

00:34:19.000 No.

00:34:19.000 But we're not talking about just alive.

00:34:21.000 We're talking about optimization.

00:34:23.000 And if you want to feel better, and everybody does, you should take vitamins.

00:34:28.000 And you should take a bunch.

00:34:29.000 You should take a lot of different stuff.

00:34:31.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:34:32.000 One of the times you're talking about our progression throughout time, back in the 90s...

00:34:40.000 Doctors were against vitamins, saying that it's expensive urine, expensive flushing in the toilet.

00:34:46.000 You remember that?

00:34:47.000 My doctor told me that.

00:34:48.000 And then what happened?

00:34:49.000 And then all the science started coming out saying how we needed B12 because our nutrition was devoid, because the soil not being rotated, devoid in the nutrients to feed the plants to give us our vitamins.

00:35:00.000 I thought B12 was essentially from animals.

00:35:02.000 It is.

00:35:03.000 Muscle.

00:35:04.000 Yeah.

00:35:04.000 For muscle.

00:35:05.000 But talking about B-complex, really.

00:35:07.000 You know, you can get it in plants as well.

00:35:09.000 But it's the trace elements as well, the minerals.

00:35:12.000 And without having adequate amount in, you've got to replenish it.

00:35:16.000 Right.

00:35:16.000 And if you don't replenish it, you lose important...

00:35:20.000 What about folks that are getting their food organically?

00:35:23.000 They go to a farmer's market, they get really good organic groceries.

00:35:27.000 Most of the organic people supplement the animals with quality supplementation food.

00:35:35.000 I mean organic vegetables.

00:35:37.000 Organic vegetables.

00:35:39.000 To be organic, you can't have pesticides on it, you can't have heavy metals, so it has to be nutritionally enriched with positive Soil.

00:35:52.000 Compost.

00:35:53.000 They might put additives in it. 0.53

00:35:54.000 Ideally, you'd like just a natural process of compost and manure and stuff like that.

00:36:00.000 I use chicken shit.

00:36:02.000 Perfect.

00:36:02.000 Chicken shit's great, right?

00:36:04.000 It works, yeah.

00:36:04.000 I've got some great lemons and vegetables.

00:36:08.000 Do you know that people used to go to war over bat shit?

00:36:10.000 Iguano.

00:36:11.000 Yes.

00:36:12.000 Yeah.

00:36:12.000 Isn't that nuts?

00:36:13.000 Yeah.

00:36:13.000 Iguano was so important for fertilizer.

00:36:16.000 Not only fertilizer, then it became...

00:36:18.000 The base foundation for lipstick and eyeliner.

00:36:22.000 What?

00:36:22.000 Yeah.

00:36:23.000 Batshit was the foundation for lipstick?

00:36:26.000 Look up guano.

00:36:26.000 Imagine kissing someone and they got batshit lipstick on.

00:36:29.000 They had guano wars.

00:36:30.000 Yeah, they really did have guano wars.

00:36:32.000 Isn't that nuts?

00:36:34.000 Isn't that where batshit crazy came from?

00:36:36.000 Crazy is batshit?

00:36:38.000 I think the term batshit crazy, I think that had something to do with how feverant people would fight in a war over batshit. 0.94

00:36:47.000 Is it fervent?

00:36:49.000 Yeah, it's a good word.

00:36:51.000 I like batshit.

00:36:52.000 There's a lot of words I don't use, but I read them.

00:36:55.000 And then when it's time to use them, I'm like, that's the appropriate road.

00:36:57.000 I'm like, how do you even fucking say that?

00:37:00.000 I think that's where the term batshit crazy came from.

00:37:03.000 In one bizarre blink, guano ruled U.S. agriculture and the world.

00:37:09.000 How fertilizer madness sparked into a turd war and turned guano into gold.

00:37:14.000 Yeah, man.

00:37:14.000 People needed that for fertilizer.

00:37:16.000 Yeah.

00:37:17.000 Does it talk about the cosmetic use of guano?

00:37:20.000 Fountain of youth.

00:37:22.000 Bat shit's the fountain of youth? 0.75

00:37:25.000 What is it?

00:37:26.000 The nitrogen composition of it is very good for growth of plants.

00:37:31.000 This is interesting.

00:37:32.000 It says, prior to modern science and agriculture, the whys and hows of soil health largely were mysterious.

00:37:37.000 How soil additives functioned or the knowledge of which minerals were needed and when was the realm of the blind.

00:37:44.000 Beyond animal manure, farmers added soil amendments by the barrel.

00:37:49.000 Composts, human waste, fish, coal byproducts, chalk, or whatever unholy concoction was hawked by the latest charlatan to pull up in a wagon at Towns Edge and promise a yield bloom.

00:38:01.000 Decade upon decade, the pitfalls of fertilization tormented growers until 1802 when German explorer and scientist Alexander von Humboldt strolled down a waterfront in Peru and felt his nose hairs curl in ammonia rebellion and an odor emanating from barge loads of yellow-brown the pitfalls of fertilization tormented growers until 1802 when German explorer and Von Humboldt was told the stinking bird droppings covered the nearby Chincha Islands in deep layers and were massively popular with Peruvian farmers.

00:38:31.000 So this is interesting.

00:38:32.000 So that's how they started doing this.

00:38:33.000 So this is in the 1800s.

00:38:34.000 Can I read the next sentence?

00:38:36.000 Sure.

00:38:36.000 Okay.

00:38:37.000 A little dabble do ya.

00:38:39.000 Curiosity building the nostril-burning von Humboldt took home a scoop of guano to Europe and turned the spigot on agricultural fountain of youth, i.e.

00:38:48.000 he sparked a fertilizer war.

00:38:50.000 You know what's the most interesting stuff about fertilizer?

00:38:53.000 It's shit to me.

00:38:55.000 Yeah, did you know that soil that they have in the Amazon that was created by man?

00:39:01.000 No.

00:39:02.000 Yeah, it's called terra preta.

00:39:04.000 And Graham Hancock told me about it.

00:39:07.000 There's a very specific soil in the Amazon that they think people from thousands of years ago figured out how to make.

00:39:18.000 And this is like some sort of a compost process.

00:39:21.000 And it's a very dark soil called terra preta.

00:39:26.000 And this dark soil that exists on the surface layer of a lot of the Amazon was put there by man.

00:39:33.000 Not just put there by man, but created.

00:39:35.000 Like they had a process that they have not replicated to this day.

00:39:38.000 They don't know what it is or how they did it.

00:39:40.000 But they're very aware that there was a process involved in making this stuff and that it's not a natural process of this stuff forming.

00:39:47.000 At least that's what he said.

00:39:48.000 That's what he said.

00:39:50.000 Let me show him some terra preta.

00:39:53.000 It's pretty fascinating.

00:39:54.000 So it's a dark earth.

00:39:57.000 It's very interesting because you see it and you're like, that's what it looks like.

00:40:02.000 So you see the terra prater is on the surface, and then you go below it, and you just get, like, regular dirt.

00:40:08.000 But this terra prater made everything very, very rich, and, you know, it grew so much plants.

00:40:15.000 It's just, like, do you know that the Amazon is mostly human-planted plants that grew out of control?

00:40:22.000 Yeah.

00:40:23.000 Who planted it?

00:40:24.000 The original settlers of the Amazon.

00:40:26.000 This is the theory, right?

00:40:27.000 So they know now.

00:40:30.000 That the Amazon was heavily populated.

00:40:32.000 They didn't used to think that.

00:40:34.000 They used to think there was just this crazy wild jungle and there's indigenous populations to live inside of it.

00:40:39.000 Well, at one point in time, there were cities.

00:40:41.000 So there's grids.

00:40:42.000 They found indications of some sort of transportation of water.

00:40:48.000 It looked like streets.

00:40:50.000 They had grids that indicate there were structures there all throughout from the use of LIDAR. Oh, sure.

00:40:57.000 Satellite.

00:40:57.000 Yeah.

00:40:57.000 Well, it's from actually drones.

00:40:59.000 So they fly over with drones and they scan the area.

00:41:03.000 They probably could use satellites too, but they use drones and even airplanes.

00:41:07.000 They scan the area and then they get these images that show these geometric patterns that exist below.

00:41:14.000 And so they've unearthed a lot of these and so now they think there were millions of people living in the Amazon and that what probably happened was Europeans came over and gave them all smallpox.

00:41:25.000 Yeah, that's the theory.

00:41:26.000 Just like they did with 90% of Native Americans. 0.97

00:41:29.000 But what was done there was done in a place where they had made this environment with terra preta and just because of the lush rainforest, it rains constantly and vegetation grows so well that as soon as they were gone, within a couple hundred years, everything's consumed by the jungle.

00:41:46.000 And then you lead thousands and thousands and thousands of years in the future.

00:41:50.000 There's nothing left.

00:41:52.000 And that's what they think they're looking at when they're looking at these large sections of the Amazon that have these patterns and structures that indicate civilization.

00:42:01.000 It's pretty wild.

00:42:03.000 Yeah, I start my mornings looking at archaeology.

00:42:06.000 You do?

00:42:07.000 Yeah, I look at archaeology.

00:42:08.000 But the archaeology that I look at in LIDAR is in Europe.

00:42:13.000 Because, you know, I collect ancient coins from Europe, from Italy and Germany and so forth and Spain.

00:42:20.000 And I've seen the photos where they go over and they see the foundation, as you said, in the structures that are man-made structures.

00:42:27.000 Yeah.

00:42:28.000 So it's neat stuff.

00:42:29.000 It just makes you wonder, how many of those exist out there, you know, in the Mexican jungles and in the Guatemalan jungles that we don't even know about?

00:42:37.000 Toltecs, Aztecs, Mayans.

00:42:39.000 There's probably a ton of them back there.

00:42:42.000 There's probably a bunch of stuff because the Amazon is so huge.

00:42:47.000 And most of it is not explored.

00:42:50.000 Most of it is, you know, there's a bunch of different uncontacted tribes that live in there.

00:42:55.000 In fact, my friend Paul Rosalie, do you know who Paul Rosalie is?

00:42:58.000 No.

00:42:59.000 Is he the one with archaeology?

00:43:00.000 No.

00:43:02.000 He's essentially working to save the brain forest and what he does is he goes down there and he hires these people that were loggers to have a new job and the new job is to protect the forest instead and they've saved like I don't know what the number is, but an incredible large number of acres they've saved this way.

00:43:22.000 And they continue to do this, and they're trying to work with these people and try to stop them from just destroying the Amazon.

00:43:28.000 I think Sting donated a large amount of money to the Brazilian Amazon.

00:43:32.000 There's a lot of entertainers who have donated a lot of money to protect it.

00:43:37.000 So my friend Paul, he runs into uncontacted tribes all the time.

00:43:40.000 Really?

00:43:41.000 Many times.

00:43:41.000 Love to go there.

00:43:42.000 He sent me a video the other day that I can't share.

00:43:44.000 It's crazy.

00:43:45.000 These uncontacted tribes, these naked people in the jungle in 2025. It's really wild. 1.00

00:43:52.000 Yeah, they live in isolation.

00:43:53.000 Yeah, well, you know, isolation from what?

00:43:56.000 From us assholes?

00:43:58.000 From us.

00:43:58.000 Yeah, but they lived the way people lived, you know, 100,000 years ago.

00:44:03.000 And I would, God, if I could be a fly on the wall.

00:44:06.000 Can you imagine the documentary?

00:44:08.000 We get really good at drones to the point where you can have a bunch of drones that really do look like insects and fly them in there and film these folks.

00:44:17.000 And just without them being...

00:44:18.000 But the problem then, people would want to go visit them.

00:44:21.000 You know, and then they'd fuck everything up.

00:44:23.000 Yeah, you have to keep it hidden like your video you were talking about because the...

00:44:27.000 That's the reason why he doesn't want the video to get out.

00:44:29.000 He doesn't want people to know that there's these people out there.

00:44:33.000 And there's a lot of them.

00:44:34.000 He said, well, one of his friends was killed.

00:44:36.000 One of his friends was murdered by these people.

00:44:40.000 With the darts?

00:44:41.000 No, they got it with arrows.

00:44:43.000 With Karari on it.

00:44:44.000 They could do that, but they shot him with bows and arrows.

00:44:47.000 They just fucking killed him.

00:44:49.000 And this was a guy that was giving them stuff, too.

00:44:52.000 It's like he was bringing over rafts of food, and they're like, you know what?

00:44:55.000 Today, fuck you.

00:44:57.000 We killed a bunch of fish today.

00:44:59.000 We don't need your bananas.

00:45:00.000 Have you seen them where the...

00:45:02.000 The Indians living in the Amazons, they're shooting down the monkeys for food. 1.00

00:45:09.000 Oh, yeah.

00:45:09.000 They love monkeys.

00:45:10.000 They don't need anything.

00:45:11.000 They've already established a culture of hunting, harvesting, and building their homes or building their towns.

00:45:21.000 You know what I found out recently?

00:45:22.000 The term Indian is not because Columbus thought that he was in India.

00:45:27.000 I'd been told that in fucking high school.

00:45:30.000 So what is it?

00:45:31.000 It's the children of God.

00:45:33.000 What is the original term of Indios?

00:45:37.000 I forget the term.

00:45:41.000 But it's not about India.

00:45:44.000 They called them Indians because they were the people that were living here in this place that they had named.

00:45:50.000 The indigenous.

00:45:52.000 Everybody thinks America.

00:45:55.000 You know, like you think of Native Americans, you know, that we used to call them Indians because they thought Columbus landed in India.

00:46:03.000 Or he thought he landed in India.

00:46:05.000 Did he really?

00:46:06.000 What's that?

00:46:07.000 It says that the Portuguese word Indios, but because Columbus was Portuguese.

00:46:12.000 Right, but there's a term, though.

00:46:14.000 There's a term like the people of God.

00:46:16.000 The Portuguese words Indios.

00:46:18.000 That's what the AI said.

00:46:20.000 Yeah, but there's another term.

00:46:22.000 There's something...

00:46:23.000 Something that has to do with Indios.

00:46:26.000 See, AI, I don't...

00:46:27.000 AI is wrong about stuff sometimes.

00:46:31.000 Where did the term...

00:46:34.000 I just typed in the word origin.

00:46:36.000 Right, right, right.

00:46:36.000 Just type in why are Native Americans called Indians.

00:46:43.000 That's not going to get you there either.

00:46:45.000 The origin of the word Indian.

00:46:49.000 Right.

00:46:51.000 So I was listening to this guy.

00:46:53.000 Talk about this in a lecture.

00:46:55.000 I wish I saved it.

00:46:57.000 I absorb too much information and don't follow up through on it.

00:47:02.000 I'll go with our Reddit post.

00:47:04.000 What does it say?

00:47:07.000 Always in the impression that we use the term Indian because Europeans were mistaken that they landed in India.

00:47:10.000 However, this HuffPost article explains that it wasn't possible that we use the term Hindustan for India.

00:47:16.000 That's what it is.

00:47:17.000 And that Europeans used the term Indio earlier on, which had morphed into Indian.

00:47:23.000 That's right.

00:47:23.000 It was Indio.

00:47:24.000 So click on the HuffPost article, the name Indian and political correctness.

00:47:28.000 From 2007. Right.

00:47:31.000 Well, this guy was – it was a lecture this guy was giving.

00:47:35.000 Whoever wrote this could be the guy that gave the lecture.

00:47:38.000 Could be.

00:47:38.000 Sometimes that happens.

00:47:39.000 Right.

00:47:39.000 Could be.

00:47:40.000 Diago.

00:47:41.000 What is he saying?

00:47:43.000 What's his term?

00:47:44.000 Because there was something...

00:47:46.000 There was something that had to do...

00:47:49.000 That's right.

00:47:49.000 Los niños in Dios.

00:47:51.000 Los niños.

00:47:52.000 Okay.

00:47:53.000 We called them los niños.

00:47:54.000 Spelling may be wrong.

00:47:55.000 The children of God.

00:47:57.000 The description by the Padre means something like the children of God.

00:48:00.000 After many years of use, the word Indios emerged, and to this day, the indigenous people of South and Central America are called Indios.

00:48:07.000 So this is what this guy was saying.

00:48:09.000 So it said, stop, scroll back, go back.

00:48:13.000 So it said, here I'm a firm believer that most historians are wrong when they credit Christopher Columbus for corning the word Indian because he thought he was landing ships in India.

00:48:21.000 By 1492, there was no country known as India.

00:48:24.000 Instead, that country was called Hindustan.

00:48:27.000 I think that it's closer to the truth that Spanish padre that sailed with Columbus was so impressed by the innocence of the natives, he observed that he called them los ninos indios.

00:48:37.000 Meaning, the spelling may be wrong in the Spanish words, but the description by the padre means something like the children of God.

00:48:43.000 After many years of uses, the word indios emerged, and to this day, the indigenous people of South and Central America are called indios.

00:48:51.000 I'm told that as the word wound its way north, it evolved into Indian.

00:48:57.000 Of course, some will say that there was a place in the East Indies in 1492, and Columbus may have thought he was headed for that region.

00:49:05.000 So how and when did the effort to politicize the name start?

00:49:09.000 Some of it started when Native Americans enrolled in some of the white colleges.

00:49:13.000 I think they found the word Indian offensive and set about to remake it.

00:49:19.000 That the word Indian was often used in a derogatory fashion such as drunken Indian or rotten Indian.

00:49:26.000 Perhaps the white people would have found it more difficult to say drunken Native American. 0.92

00:49:31.000 Those white people. 0.64

00:49:33.000 Yeah, those dirty white people. 1.00

00:49:34.000 Absolutely.

00:49:35.000 They're a problem.

00:49:36.000 And finally, when some Indian journalists made it to the newsrooms of large and prestigious mainstream newspapers, they reacted to the word Indian as they did when they were in college.

00:49:46.000 They went to their editors and tried to impress upon them the paper should no longer use the word Indian, but instead switch to Native American or Native.

00:49:55.000 Interesting.

00:49:56.000 The problem even with Native American is Native for how long? 0.98

00:50:03.000 Like, if you believe the bearing land mass theory, that they came across that way, that in a lot of Native Americans, and this was actually tested because of Mormons.

00:50:14.000 So there was a wealthy Mormon who spent a bunch of money on DNA testing for Native Americans because he was sure that it was going to relieve, it was going to show that they were from the lost tribe of Israel. 0.89

00:50:25.000 Because he believed that, you know...

00:50:28.000 The Mormon teaching is that, like, the Indians and Native Americans are the lost tribes of Israel.

00:50:32.000 But then he found out when they did the DNA testing, no, they're from Siberia.

00:50:36.000 Like, a lot of them are from Siberia.

00:50:39.000 So that would make sense.

00:50:40.000 They crossed the Bering Land Bridge, their ancestors did, and they wound up in North America.

00:50:44.000 Well, my people came from Komunitskodosk in Russia.

00:50:49.000 Well, that's connected.

00:50:50.000 Yeah, da.

00:50:50.000 It was from there, from Siberia.

00:50:53.000 Yeah, we bought...

00:50:53.000 Alaska for like 50 bucks.

00:50:55.000 That was like the deal of a lifetime.

00:50:57.000 They talk about Manhattan might be the better deal.

00:51:00.000 Like financially, it's worth a lot more.

00:51:02.000 But goddamn, Alaska's bigger than Texas.

00:51:04.000 Alaska's huge.

00:51:06.000 And you've gone there hunting, right?

00:51:07.000 Oh yeah.

00:51:08.000 I've gone there a few times.

00:51:09.000 It's an incredible place.

00:51:11.000 Alaska's incredible.

00:51:12.000 It's really wild.

00:51:14.000 Like, that's the last real frontier.

00:51:16.000 If you want to get away, move to a small town in Alaska.

00:51:19.000 And go live next to Sarah Palin.

00:51:22.000 I can see Russia from there, so I should become Secretary of State.

00:51:26.000 Remember when she said that?

00:51:27.000 She could see Russia.

00:51:28.000 But you can't even see the rest of Alaska.

00:51:32.000 Alaska's huge.

00:51:33.000 What are you saying?

00:51:34.000 Yeah.

00:51:35.000 I loved it there.

00:51:36.000 It's gorgeous.

00:51:38.000 The salmon fishing.

00:51:39.000 I like the people.

00:51:41.000 The people are just different, man.

00:51:42.000 They're just rugged people.

00:51:44.000 They're more reliable.

00:51:45.000 They're built better.

00:51:46.000 You have to...

00:51:48.000 You know how certain gene expressions are turned on and off due to stress?

00:51:54.000 Imagine their genes.

00:51:55.000 They're dealing with fucking grizzly bears and moose and shit.

00:51:59.000 I'm sure you've seen this video of this guy who goes outside of his house in the morning and two gigantic moose are duking it out in his driveway.

00:52:07.000 Head to head.

00:52:08.000 Bouncing off cars and shit.

00:52:10.000 This guy's like, whoa!

00:52:12.000 And he lives in a neighborhood.

00:52:14.000 It's like, this guy isn't in the woods somewhere on his own.

00:52:17.000 In a fucking neighborhood, these moose are duking it out.

00:52:19.000 I love that.

00:52:21.000 In my neighborhood, the old neighborhood in Chatsworth, we had brown bears coming in.

00:52:26.000 No, you didn't.

00:52:26.000 You had black bears.

00:52:28.000 No, brown bear of California.

00:52:30.000 No, no, no, no, no.

00:52:30.000 What do you mean, no, no, no, no?

00:52:31.000 No, no.

00:52:32.000 Brown bears have been extinct in California since the 1800s.

00:52:35.000 They look brown and they're black?

00:52:37.000 Yes.

00:52:38.000 The last guy to die from bear attacks from a brown bear was Stephen Levesque, and he died in what's now Levesque, California.

00:52:46.000 They named the town after him.

00:52:48.000 And it's right outside of Tejon Ranch.

00:52:50.000 I'll have to show you the picture.

00:52:52.000 Well, I'll tell you what it is.

00:52:53.000 It's called a color face bear.

00:52:54.000 So it's a different bear.

00:52:57.000 So there's a brown bear, which is a grizzly bear, and the Kodiak bear, and those bears.

00:53:05.000 But they're all the same bear.

00:53:07.000 The difference between a grizzly bear and a brown bear is just mostly what they eat.

00:53:12.000 So the brown bears in Alaska have so much salmon that they have immense amounts of protein.

00:53:18.000 The largest of all the brown bears.

00:53:19.000 They're fucking huge.

00:53:21.000 They're much, much, much, much bigger than a black bear.

00:53:24.000 Yeah, we had Parks and Rangers come to our house because one of our refrigerators failed.

00:53:30.000 So we had all this great beef in there, so I had to throw it out.

00:53:34.000 Oh, and the bears found it.

00:53:35.000 The next day, the bears found it.

00:53:37.000 It was in a canister, and they came there, so I took videos of these.

00:53:42.000 What I thought were brown bears coming in.

00:53:44.000 So you're saying they're not.

00:53:46.000 No, they're brown color phase.

00:53:48.000 So brown bears can be, excuse me, black bears.

00:53:52.000 Black bears can be brown.

00:53:54.000 Most of them are black.

00:53:56.000 Some of them are even blonde.

00:53:58.000 There's blonde color phase bears that they find up in Alberta.

00:54:02.000 But they're black bears.

00:54:03.000 So a black bear is less aggressive than a grizzly bear.

00:54:07.000 A grizzly bear is a brown bear.

00:54:08.000 And they were killing so many people in California that they wiped them out.

00:54:11.000 That's what happened.

00:54:12.000 Well, this one jumped over a six-foot fence.

00:54:14.000 But before it jumped over the six-foot fence, it ended up eating chicken and filet mignon and ribeye and everything.

00:54:22.000 The only thing it didn't eat was the garlic naan.

00:54:26.000 Well, tell you what, that bear's going to be back.

00:54:29.000 It came back three times.

00:54:31.000 On the third time, Parks and Recreation came by with a dart gun to try and put it down so that they can transport it to someplace else.

00:54:39.000 Did they get it?

00:54:40.000 No.

00:54:41.000 It jumped over the fence. 0.57

00:54:42.000 I've never seen a bear jump six feet.

00:54:45.000 Oh, they can move, man.

00:54:45.000 It was 250 pounds, at least, is what they said.

00:54:48.000 Oh, they can move.

00:54:49.000 They move very, very, very fast.

00:54:51.000 It was unbelievable.

00:54:51.000 You'd be amazed at how fast they can move.

00:54:54.000 Like when they're chasing after another bear or something's happening, they move very fast.

00:54:58.000 And then it jumped into our swimming pool.

00:55:03.000 Yeah.

00:55:03.000 Swimming.

00:55:04.000 But in Pasadena, they have a lot of those.

00:55:06.000 A lot of them.

00:55:07.000 In Pasadena?

00:55:08.000 Mm-hmm.

00:55:08.000 There's a funny video of this guy in Pasadena.

00:55:10.000 He's walking down a street, and he turns into an alley, and he's just staring at his phone.

00:55:15.000 And he's walking with his phone, and this guy gets to them like 30 feet of a fucking bear.

00:55:19.000 Wow.

00:55:20.000 And he's just like freaking...

00:55:20.000 See, you can find it.

00:55:21.000 It's hilarious.

00:55:22.000 Yeah, I was like 10 feet away.

00:55:23.000 In Pasadena.

00:55:24.000 Like in full-on Pasadena.

00:55:26.000 Not like the outskirts and the bush.

00:55:29.000 Right.

00:55:30.000 No, like actual street.

00:55:32.000 City Street in Pasadena, black bear.

00:55:34.000 Yeah, so what do you do when it's looking you face to face?

00:55:37.000 Well, you usually make a noise and try to startle it and frighten it and get the fuck out of it.

00:55:43.000 Like, hey bear!

00:55:44.000 You say, hey bear!

00:55:45.000 That's what people do.

00:55:46.000 They say, hey bear.

00:55:47.000 The thing is, like, bears that have been accustomed to people, so that right there is a black bear.

00:55:52.000 That is not a brown bear.

00:55:53.000 The one that I saw, and I think I might have it on my cell phone, but it was lighter than that.

00:55:59.000 Yeah.

00:55:59.000 Like I said, they get even blonde.

00:56:01.000 So that's a color-faced black bear.

00:56:06.000 Intimidating.

00:56:06.000 Yeah.

00:56:07.000 Well, let's see the difference, though.

00:56:08.000 Pull up grizzly bear.

00:56:09.000 So a grizzly bear is a completely different motherfucker.

00:56:13.000 Yeah.

00:56:13.000 So on the state flag of California...

00:56:15.000 That's a grizzly bear.

00:56:16.000 That's a grizzly bear.

00:56:17.000 Yes.

00:56:17.000 That is the brown bear that is no longer...

00:56:19.000 Look at the size of those motherfuckers. 1.00

00:56:21.000 See, that's a different thing.

00:56:23.000 Wow.

00:56:23.000 See the difference in the size?

00:56:25.000 So that's a black bear and that's a grizzly bear.

00:56:27.000 Grizzlies are much bigger, much more aggressive, much more dangerous.

00:56:31.000 But interestingly enough, black bears turn out to be more predatory towards humans.

00:56:37.000 So when a black bear attacks people, usually it's trying to eat them.

00:56:41.000 Whereas when a grizzly attacks people, generally, like a large percentage of the attacks are...

00:56:47.000 I'm good.

00:56:47.000 A large percentage of the attacks are people accidentally stumbling upon a mother and their cubs.

00:56:53.000 That's the worst case scenario.

00:56:55.000 Because it's protective.

00:56:56.000 Yeah, you get near a mama bear.

00:56:59.000 That's so terrifying.

00:57:01.000 Because they just try to eliminate the threat immediately.

00:57:04.000 And they just go after you and fuck you up.

00:57:06.000 They don't look at you and go, what are you doing?

00:57:09.000 What's this about?

00:57:10.000 They have to protect their cubs.

00:57:11.000 And there's so much cannibalism in the bear world.

00:57:15.000 They eat their babes? 1.00

00:57:16.000 Oh, yeah.

00:57:17.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:57:18.000 Male grizzlies eat.

00:57:20.000 Cubs.

00:57:21.000 And they hunt cubs.

00:57:23.000 And so there's so much cannibalism of cubs from male grizzlies that the females are always on edge.

00:57:29.000 Because everywhere they go, their fear is that they run into a male who's gonna eat their cubs.

00:57:34.000 Grizzlies are fucking ruthless. 1.00

00:57:36.000 These assholes that think they want to bring Grizzlies back to California, this is like a movement now to bring Grizzlies back.

00:57:43.000 Because just like they brought wolves back to Colorado, these people are retarded and they've never spent a second in the woods. 1.00

00:57:50.000 They don't know what the fuck they're dealing with.

00:57:53.000 They don't know what you're bringing back and what the consequences are going to be.

00:57:57.000 Of those things.

00:57:57.000 And look, there's places they exist, and they're great.

00:58:00.000 It's awesome.

00:58:00.000 Go to Montana, you can see them.

00:58:02.000 Go to Wyoming, you can see them.

00:58:05.000 They're starting to make their way into Colorado.

00:58:07.000 A friend of mine saw one in the San Juan Mountains.

00:58:08.000 You got video footage of it.

00:58:10.000 I know you go with your archery hunting.

00:58:14.000 There's no hunting of bears?

00:58:15.000 Yo, there's a lot of hunting of bears, not in the lower 48. So they're trying to change that.

00:58:19.000 They're trying to change that in Montana because they have so many instances and attacks.

00:58:25.000 And a woman was killed a couple years ago.

00:58:27.000 She was dragged out of her tent.

00:58:29.000 Yeah, it's scary shit, man.

00:58:32.000 And I'm not...

00:58:33.000 I'm not advocating for the eradication of grizzlies.

00:58:35.000 I'm just saying that with our modern society, when they haven't existed in an ecosystem, to reintroduce that to the ecosystem, you're going to cause chaos.

00:58:43.000 You're going to cause havoc.

00:58:44.000 And if you want healthy breeding populations of them...

00:58:48.000 Good luck.

00:58:49.000 Good luck.

00:58:50.000 Because now everything changes.

00:58:51.000 All your livestock changes.

00:58:53.000 Your dogs change.

00:58:55.000 Your dogs are going to get eaten.

00:58:56.000 You have a dog chained up in the backyard, that's meat on a stick.

00:59:00.000 Meat on a chain.

00:59:01.000 Yeah, that's over.

00:59:03.000 And they're going to do that.

00:59:05.000 They're going to target your garbage.

00:59:07.000 You're not going to be able to get rid of them.

00:59:08.000 They're going to keep coming back.

00:59:10.000 They're dangerous animals.

00:59:12.000 And they're beautiful and amazing and an important part of the ecosystems that they exist in.

00:59:17.000 Apparently, like Montana and Wyoming, where there's elk populations and a lot of food for them in Alaska.

00:59:23.000 Yeah, I personally can't see, for myself, going out hunting for bears or elks or moose.

00:59:30.000 And I know you do that, but there's such...

00:59:34.000 Incredible animals.

00:59:36.000 They're just incredible animals.

00:59:37.000 They are.

00:59:38.000 I just can't see putting them down.

00:59:40.000 The way they die without me is way worse.

00:59:43.000 If I get them, I'm going to get them with an arrow and they're going to be dead in seconds.

00:59:47.000 If they get attacked by a bear or a mountain lion, it's fucking brutal.

00:59:51.000 It's brutal.

00:59:51.000 And the worst, I mean, they might just freeze to death.

00:59:54.000 That's how most of them go.

00:59:56.000 I shot an elk a couple years ago that was 11 years old and he had almost no teeth left.

01:00:00.000 His teeth were ground down because, you know, they're just They don't live long, and part of it is because they can't grind food after a certain age.

01:00:09.000 Yeah, because no teeth?

01:00:10.000 No teeth.

01:00:11.000 Because their teeth are just digging into the ground and pulling out shrubs and grasses, and they're constantly mashing and smashing.

01:00:20.000 And over the period of 11 years, his teeth had worn down to the roots.

01:00:26.000 So you've gone after bears?

01:00:29.000 I've hunted bears before.

01:00:30.000 You've hunted bears?

01:00:30.000 I've eaten bears before.

01:00:31.000 And you've eaten it?

01:00:32.000 Yeah.

01:00:32.000 What's the meat like?

01:00:34.000 It's like beef.

01:00:35.000 It's like a pig fucked a cow.

01:00:39.000 That's what it's like.

01:00:39.000 It's like a weird kind of beef.

01:00:41.000 Maybe a deer fucked a cow. 0.99

01:00:43.000 It's good, though.

01:00:45.000 But it's dependent upon the diet of the animal.

01:00:48.000 So, like, the people that hunt grizzly bears and they've eaten grizzly bears or brown bears, they say they taste so fishy, it's almost intolerable.

01:00:57.000 But you could turn them into sausage.

01:00:58.000 You could do the right spices and stuff.

01:01:00.000 Like, bear sausage is great.

01:01:02.000 But you also have to be careful because of trichinosis.

01:01:06.000 So you have to make sure you cook it to 160-plus degrees.

01:01:09.000 To kill off the trichinosis.

01:01:11.000 Because I know several people that got trichinosis from bear meat.

01:01:15.000 Heart?

01:01:15.000 Well, it's just parasites in your muscles.

01:01:18.000 And it doesn't have too many adverse effects.

01:01:20.000 It's very painful and brutal for the beginning exposure.

01:01:24.000 You know, the beginning infection.

01:01:26.000 But then the thing is, if you're a cannibal and you eat that dude and you don't cook him right, you're going to get it from him.

01:01:32.000 Which is really crazy.

01:01:33.000 One of the reasons why I don't eat pig that you got after me the last time we were here.

01:01:39.000 Pig has a lot of parasites.

01:01:41.000 Sure.

01:01:41.000 And a lot of them aren't cooked to the level to kill the parasites, cystocercosis and so forth.

01:01:47.000 And trichinosis.

01:01:48.000 And trichinosis.

01:01:48.000 Yeah, especially wild pigs.

01:01:50.000 Yeah.

01:01:50.000 You know what the number one source of trichinosis is for people in America?

01:01:55.000 No.

01:01:55.000 Black bears.

01:01:56.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:01:57.000 Think about how few people eat black bears.

01:01:59.000 Yeah.

01:01:59.000 But it's the number one source of trichinosis in America for people that test positive for it.

01:02:05.000 So it's through contamination?

01:02:07.000 From food.

01:02:07.000 From eating them.

01:02:08.000 From eating them.

01:02:09.000 Yeah, because there's a lot of people that hunt black bears.

01:02:12.000 Wow.

01:02:13.000 Yeah.

01:02:13.000 Want to really get blown away?

01:02:15.000 Yeah.

01:02:15.000 You know what state has the largest population per capita of black bears in the country?

01:02:22.000 Wyoming?

01:02:23.000 New Jersey?

01:02:24.000 No way.

01:02:25.000 Yep.

01:02:25.000 New Jersey.

01:02:26.000 New Jersey.

01:02:27.000 New Jersey has an infestation of black bears.

01:02:29.000 New Jersey, we played this video a hundred times with these giant bears that are duking it out in a beautiful suburb of far Rockaway, New Jersey.

01:02:38.000 So it's like nice, normal, not like the woods, not like, you know, fucking...

01:02:43.000 Residential area.

01:02:44.000 Yeah, not the mountains.

01:02:45.000 Residential area.

01:02:46.000 They knock over this mailbox and they're duking it out in the street.

01:02:49.000 Big fucking bears.

01:02:51.000 Big bears.

01:02:51.000 A guy recently shot the state record black bear in New Jersey and it was 800 pounds.

01:02:59.000 Yeah, you should see it.

01:03:00.000 Pull that video up.

01:03:01.000 The photo rather up of this guy's bear.

01:03:03.000 So I'm pretty sure that was archery as well.

01:03:07.000 Banned bear hunting in New Jersey when the new governor came into place.

01:03:10.000 That lasted for about a year.

01:03:13.000 And then the human interactions with bears were so frequent that they restarted the bear hunting program.

01:03:19.000 It's an important tool.

01:03:20.000 Look at the size of the bear.

01:03:21.000 Look at the fucking size.

01:03:22.000 770. 770 dressed.

01:03:24.000 Wow.

01:03:25.000 That's 770 after they gutted it.

01:03:27.000 And they added another 800 pounds for its intestines and organs.

01:03:33.000 Another 100 pounds, rather.

01:03:35.000 So it was, they think...

01:03:36.000 So it's field dress, the bear, before it was officially weighed in at 770. So it's probably quite a bit heavier than that.

01:03:47.000 Pretty nuts.

01:03:49.000 Crazy.

01:03:50.000 So if you see there's other pictures of it where you really get a better size of it, see if you can find some other pictures of it.

01:03:54.000 That is huge.

01:03:55.000 Yeah, some other pictures have it laid out and you can see what it looks like.

01:03:59.000 It's a fucking giant bear.

01:04:01.000 But it's because they have so much food there.

01:04:03.000 And a lot of these bears exist.

01:04:05.000 Look at the size of that thing.

01:04:07.000 A lot of these bears exist around humans.

01:04:10.000 And you've gone after a black bear?

01:04:12.000 Not that big.

01:04:13.000 Not that big.

01:04:13.000 The black bears that I've shot are like 200 pounds, 250 pounds.

01:04:17.000 Babies.

01:04:17.000 Well, they didn't look like babies.

01:04:19.000 Yeah, I know.

01:04:20.000 But yeah, you eat them, man.

01:04:22.000 And it's also an important part of conservation because if you don't control their populations, no one does.

01:04:28.000 This is the thing about bears.

01:04:30.000 They are the top of the food chain.

01:04:31.000 So if you're not controlling them, no one does.

01:04:34.000 And so what they do is they eat each other.

01:04:37.000 That's the only control of bears is the infanticide of the cubs by the males.

01:04:44.000 And the females, too, by the way. 0.98

01:04:46.000 You want to hear a crazy thing?

01:04:47.000 My friend Jonathan, he watched this bear and this female bear.

01:04:51.000 So the male bear came around.

01:04:53.000 The female bear's trying to fight him off. 1.00

01:04:54.000 And she eventually can't.

01:04:56.000 And the male bear gets a hold of one of her cubs and kills it.

01:04:59.000 And she chases him off of her dead cub. 0.99

01:05:02.000 Then she eats her cub.

01:05:03.000 Whoa.

01:05:05.000 That's the real world.

01:05:06.000 Whoa.

01:05:07.000 That's the real world.

01:05:07.000 She ate her cub right in front of him.

01:05:09.000 And he came back to camp and he was like, fuck.

01:05:13.000 Yeah.

01:05:14.000 So that's the balance that has to be struck in, where was it, Montana, where they had open season for elk or for moose?

01:05:24.000 No.

01:05:24.000 Was it moose?

01:05:25.000 No, there's no open season.

01:05:27.000 Which state was it?

01:05:29.000 Open season means...

01:05:31.000 Where you didn't need a permit?

01:05:32.000 Right.

01:05:33.000 There's no way.

01:05:34.000 They would never do that with elk.

01:05:36.000 Elk is a very valuable...

01:05:37.000 So it's moose.

01:05:37.000 No, no, no.

01:05:38.000 They'd never do that with moose either.

01:05:39.000 They would never do that with...

01:05:40.000 They do it in some communities with white-tailed deer, and the reason why they do it is because they're completely overpopulated, and oddly enough, this happens a lot in the suburbs.

01:05:50.000 Like, there's places in the suburbs, yeah, where there's, like, people who bowhunt in the suburbs.

01:05:55.000 Because, like, look, if you're bowhunting, your arrow doesn't go more than 100 yards, right?

01:06:00.000 It's not like you have to worry about you shoot and someone a mile away gets hit by a bullet.

01:06:04.000 Right.

01:06:04.000 If you miss.

01:06:05.000 Your arrow drops.

01:06:07.000 It arcs, right?

01:06:08.000 Archery.

01:06:08.000 It arcs.

01:06:09.000 Sure.

01:06:09.000 So it drops down to the ground.

01:06:11.000 It only goes so far.

01:06:12.000 And so it's safer if you have competent hunters who are skilled to hunt in the suburbs.

01:06:17.000 And, you know, most of these suburbs have wooded areas.

01:06:20.000 And they're infested with deer.

01:06:22.000 So I think it was Pennsylvania.

01:06:25.000 The states that were bringing in bow hunters.

01:06:28.000 In New York, and in all their wisdom, these fucking dorks.

01:06:33.000 The area around the Hamptons, they have this issue, but the people are so fucking retarded. 1.00

01:06:37.000 Long Island.

01:06:38.000 Yeah.

01:06:39.000 Well, it's the Hamptons, because they're rich.

01:06:41.000 It's like if you had regular Long Island, regular Long Island would probably say, yeah, we should hunt them, because they're food.

01:06:45.000 I'm from Queens.

01:06:46.000 Yeah, there you go.

01:06:48.000 So they decided they were going to just try to sterilize the deer and give them birth control. 0.64

01:06:53.000 They came up with all these wacky concepts, but they didn't want to bring in bow hunters.

01:06:57.000 But wasn't there in the last, what, five years, there was an overpopulation of moose or deer, elk?

01:07:02.000 Never.

01:07:02.000 There's never been an overpopulation?

01:07:03.000 No, no, no, no, no.

01:07:05.000 There's been times where they had seasons in winter for elk in Montana.

01:07:10.000 And the reason, it was a complete depopulation effort.

01:07:13.000 So they had had, this is before the reintroduction of wolves.

01:07:17.000 So the reintroduction of wolves, which is in the 1990s, has significantly impacted the elk population.

01:07:23.000 And now it's actually more difficult to get a tag.

01:07:26.000 But back then, they would have certain seasons that would have in the winter.

01:07:30.000 So you'd be able to get these elk that were out there in the snow moving very slowly in the deep snow, and you could just kind of pick them off.

01:07:38.000 And it was basically just a meat hunt, and they killed a lot of cows that way, cow elk.

01:07:44.000 And it was just a way for people to get meat, and also they were trying to put a dent on the population because it wasn't sustainable.

01:07:51.000 So they would have an elk herd of thousands of elk where it really should have been like 800 elk with the sustainability of the area.

01:08:00.000 And the bear couldn't keep up.

01:08:03.000 They couldn't eat enough of them.

01:08:04.000 The mountain lions couldn't eat enough of them.

01:08:06.000 And then they brought in the wolves.

01:08:07.000 And the wolves were way better than everybody else because they hunt together.

01:08:10.000 And they started really chipping away at them.

01:08:12.000 And now they've knocked the elk population down.

01:08:14.000 I think it's in the neighborhood.

01:08:16.000 They dropped it by 40% plus.

01:08:19.000 What was the need for reducing the elk population?

01:08:23.000 Well, if you don't have a balanced ecosystem.

01:08:26.000 If you don't have enough predators, and you have a large animal like an elk, like a bull elk is an 800-pound animal, and a mature cow elk is north of 300 pounds, 400 pounds.

01:08:38.000 This is a lot of food, and they can decimate vegetation.

01:08:43.000 There is a documentary that's kind of like...

01:08:47.000 poo-pooed by people but interesting nonetheless it's how how wolves changed rivers and it's all about how the Yellowstone ecosystem changed because of their introduction to wolves and more songbirds came in because there was more vegetation because the introduction of wolves they killed off a lot of the elk the elk had been just like maybe overbalanced in the fact that like overrepresented they were eating too much vegetation yeah so it's all interesting but what you really want is things to happen

01:09:16.000 And then when there's a problem, you know, really the best way to handle the problem if there's like an overabundance of these animals is to bring in hunters.

01:09:28.000 The other solution would be to bring in predators.

01:09:30.000 The problem with bringing in predators is if you have a predator like wolves that has been forever maligned because they go after livestock and they do target ranchers.

01:09:42.000 There was an article I read today actually about these ranchers that were kind of optimistic about wolves being introduced into Colorado and now they vehemently oppose it because they've seen the impact.

01:09:53.000 And one of the reasons why they saw the impact is because the...

01:09:56.000 Governor of Colorado, in all his fucking infinite wisdom, he had a mandate to get these wolves introduced during a certain amount of time, and they didn't have the wolves, so they got wolves from Oregon that they had captured while they were preying on livestock.

01:10:11.000 So these wolves were already accustomed to preying on livestock, and those are the wolves they reintroduced into Colorado.

01:10:18.000 They reintroduced wolves that had already been They would have been naturalized to killing livestock.

01:10:24.000 And so what did they start doing?

01:10:25.000 They started finding livestock and killing them again.

01:10:28.000 Duh! 1.00

01:10:29.000 But that's the thing.

01:10:31.000 It's like you're fucking around with nature and you don't know how this calculation is going to end.

01:10:37.000 A good example is Australia.

01:10:40.000 Australia is a fucking mess.

01:10:42.000 Because they kept bringing in animals, and then they'd bring in animals to kill the animals, and then they'd have an overpopulation of certain animals, so they'd bring in cats, and now they have an overpopulation of feral cats.

01:10:52.000 The point where they hunt feral cats.

01:10:54.000 Like, if you look at an Australian bowhunting journal, you know, they have bowhunting magazines.

01:10:59.000 My buddy Adam Greentree, shout out to Adam Greentree.

01:11:01.000 My buddy Adam gave me a magazine from Australia bowhunting.

01:11:04.000 I'm like, bro, what the fuck is this?

01:11:06.000 It's all cats.

01:11:07.000 These guys are holding up house cats.

01:11:09.000 Because they kill feral cats whenever they can.

01:11:13.000 Because feral cats have decimated ground-nesting birds, and they've destroyed a shit ton of native animals that were in that area.

01:11:23.000 They brought them in to kill some other animal they brought in.

01:11:28.000 You can't fuck around with nature like that.

01:11:30.000 You don't know what the consequences are.

01:11:32.000 And when you do ballot box biology, which is essentially what this stuff is.

01:11:36.000 So the reintroduction of wolves is something people voted on.

01:11:39.000 The people that voted on are living in fucking Denver, all right?

01:11:42.000 They don't encounter wolves.

01:11:43.000 They don't know what they're doing.

01:11:44.000 It's like the same thing happened in Vancouver.

01:11:46.000 So in British Columbia, they outlawed grizzly bear hunting.

01:11:49.000 Why'd they do that?

01:11:50.000 Because, man, why would you kill it?

01:11:51.000 They call it trophy hunting.

01:11:53.000 But it's important to manage the predators and the people that knew.

01:11:57.000 I knew this were the people that lived in the rural areas that were vehemently opposed to this ban, and then what happens?

01:12:03.000 Well, you get ballot box biology.

01:12:05.000 You get people that have no experience with bears, don't encounter bears, don't have to worry about bears, and they say, yeah, let's not ban them anymore.

01:12:12.000 Now you got bears breaking into people's houses, and there's much more of them than ever before, and people are freaked out.

01:12:18.000 You can't do anything about it.

01:12:19.000 Yeah, I freaked out when the bear came to the house.

01:12:22.000 Yeah, you should.

01:12:23.000 It was like, whoa.

01:12:25.000 You should.

01:12:25.000 And then seeing this fucking bear, 250 pounds, swimming in my swimming pool, going back and forth.

01:12:31.000 And then the Department of Parks and Rangers came in to try and deal with it.

01:12:38.000 Yeah.

01:12:39.000 They said, stop feeding it. 0.94

01:12:40.000 I'm not feeding it.

01:12:41.000 I put the fucking beef into the garbage can because it wasn't frozen.

01:12:49.000 Don't put it there.

01:12:50.000 Where should I put it?

01:12:51.000 Yeah.

01:12:51.000 Where do you put it to me?

01:12:52.000 Put it at your asshole neighbor's house. 0.78

01:12:55.000 You have some guy that's annoying.

01:12:57.000 Go use his garbage in the middle of the night.

01:12:59.000 I've got a bad neighbor.

01:13:00.000 I'm going to have to put it into there.

01:13:01.000 Yeah, you should dress up though.

01:13:02.000 Dress up like a Ku Klux Klan member or something like that. 0.60

01:13:04.000 No, dress up as a bear to go into a Rolls Royce to destroy the Rolls Royce.

01:13:08.000 Oh, there you go.

01:13:09.000 You remember that one?

01:13:10.000 No, what was that?

01:13:11.000 You didn't see that?

01:13:13.000 Oh, that's right.

01:13:14.000 A guy was wearing a bear suit.

01:13:15.000 Bear suit.

01:13:16.000 Insurance fraud.

01:13:18.000 Insurance fraud.

01:13:19.000 They brought in a bear expert and said, that bear would not have gone into the Rolls Royce and done those scrape marks on it.

01:13:27.000 So this guy was trying to get rid of his car?

01:13:29.000 He was trying to get insurance money.

01:13:31.000 Oh, what a moron.

01:13:33.000 What a silly bitch. 1.00

01:13:34.000 Yeah.

01:13:35.000 I've learned right now so much more about bears.

01:13:39.000 Incredible.

01:13:40.000 Yeah, they're a wild animal.

01:13:42.000 Not wild, just wild, but fascinating.

01:13:44.000 I love them.

01:13:45.000 Teddy Roosevelt, when he did his bear hunting, loved it.

01:13:50.000 Bears are such incredible animals.

01:13:51.000 You know what the scariest bear to run across is?

01:13:53.000 Take a guess.

01:13:54.000 No.

01:13:54.000 Polar bear.

01:13:56.000 Oh, white bear, yeah.

01:13:57.000 You know why?

01:13:57.000 No.

01:13:58.000 Because they don't eat anything but meat.

01:14:00.000 At least grizzly bears.

01:14:01.000 If you find a grizzly bear that's in a blueberry field, you probably don't even have to worry about them.

01:14:06.000 They eat bloopers?

01:14:07.000 Oh yeah, they'd be gorging on bloopers.

01:14:08.000 But black bears and grizzly bears are omnivorous.

01:14:11.000 So they eat vegetation and they also eat meat.

01:14:15.000 Polar bears are just carnivores.

01:14:17.000 And they're hyper-aggressive.

01:14:19.000 They just eat seals and occasionally people.

01:14:22.000 But they hunt people.

01:14:24.000 No way.

01:14:24.000 Oh yeah, they'll go after you.

01:14:25.000 They smell you from a distance to hunt you.

01:14:27.000 Bad.

01:14:28.000 Bad body odor or something?

01:14:31.000 Just you smell.

01:14:32.000 Everybody smells.

01:14:33.000 You'd be amazed at how much a bear can smell.

01:14:36.000 There was a video where my friend was in, I think they were in Montana, maybe Idaho, and a bear was 700 yards away plus, and the wind hit the back of his neck and the bear started running.

01:14:54.000 And he's like, did that fucking bear wind us?

01:14:57.000 Like, the bear caught their smell from 700 yards away.

01:15:02.000 And went after them.

01:15:03.000 No, the other way.

01:15:04.000 It was a black bear.

01:15:05.000 They ran away.

01:15:05.000 Black bears run away.

01:15:06.000 Yeah.

01:15:06.000 Absolutely.

01:15:07.000 Human?

01:15:07.000 Run.

01:15:08.000 Yeah.

01:15:08.000 Well, in any area where the bears get hunted, they run away.

01:15:12.000 Sure.

01:15:12.000 You know, like in Alaska, if they smell you, generally they run away because people hunt bears in Alaska.

01:15:16.000 They don't have any experience with getting hunted.

01:15:19.000 Black bears do, but grizzly bears don't in the lower 48. In the lower 48, it's not legal to hunt them yet.

01:15:25.000 But they're trying to change that.

01:15:26.000 Grizzlies.

01:15:27.000 Okay.

01:15:27.000 Yeah.

01:15:29.000 Interesting.

01:15:30.000 Yeah.

01:15:30.000 Interesting.

01:15:32.000 Great new information for me.

01:15:34.000 It's important to know.

01:15:34.000 Yeah.

01:15:35.000 It's a wild world out there.

01:15:38.000 Absolutely.

01:15:39.000 It's a wild world.

01:15:40.000 And, you know, you live in the city and you think it's cute.

01:15:43.000 Oh, let's go for a hike.

01:15:44.000 And all of a sudden you meet a fucking mountain lion.

01:15:46.000 Well, we have mountain lions where the house is...

01:15:49.000 Oh, fuck yeah, you do.

01:15:50.000 Yeah, mountain lions.

01:15:52.000 Bobcats?

01:15:53.000 Deer, bobcats, a lot of...

01:15:55.000 You have a lot more deer if it wasn't for the mountain lions.

01:15:57.000 And that's what the wildlife lovers want.

01:16:00.000 They want nature to balance itself out.

01:16:02.000 The problem is they eat your cats and dogs, too.

01:16:05.000 A lot of them.

01:16:06.000 In San Francisco, there's like 50% of the problem cats that they caught, they found that their diet was pets.

01:16:13.000 Yeah.

01:16:14.000 50% of their diet was pets.

01:16:15.000 I lost two cats.

01:16:17.000 Yeah.

01:16:17.000 Coyotes, mostly, right?

01:16:19.000 Coyotes were the ones.

01:16:20.000 They were...

01:16:22.000 Indoor cats, and every now and then they would go out.

01:16:24.000 Right.

01:16:25.000 Gone.

01:16:26.000 Yeah.

01:16:26.000 Gone.

01:16:27.000 Owls get them, too.

01:16:29.000 Do they really?

01:16:29.000 Oh, yeah.

01:16:30.000 They swoop in and pick them up and take them away.

01:16:32.000 A buddy of mine has a friend who works in tree service, and they found a nest, an owl nest, and it was filled with cat collars.

01:16:41.000 Yeah, there are like 10 cat collars in there.

01:16:44.000 Yeah, we've had owls where we are.

01:16:46.000 We're in Santa Susana Pass.

01:16:48.000 Oh, yeah.

01:16:48.000 Yeah, a lot of owls up there.

01:16:50.000 A lot of owls.

01:16:51.000 Do you know owls are stupid?

01:16:52.000 No.

01:16:53.000 Yeah, they're dumb.

01:16:54.000 You know that whole thing of wise old owl?

01:16:56.000 They're one of the dumbest birds.

01:16:58.000 They don't learn things.

01:16:58.000 They're stupid.

01:16:59.000 I talked to a lady who's a falconer, and she trains birds, and she has an owl, and she's like, it's the dumbest bird I have.

01:17:06.000 She's like this idea that owls are wise.

01:17:09.000 She's like, they're the second dumbest bird. 0.96

01:17:11.000 Who's number one?

01:17:12.000 I forget.

01:17:13.000 Ostrich?

01:17:13.000 See if you can find it.

01:17:14.000 It's in the ostrich family.

01:17:16.000 It's another animal that's in the ostrich family.

01:17:18.000 Ostriches might be dumber than owls. 0.55

01:17:21.000 They're really dumb.

01:17:22.000 They've always got their head in the sand.

01:17:24.000 Well, they're also big.

01:17:25.000 They're big.

01:17:26.000 They don't fuck with you.

01:17:28.000 And they can kill you.

01:17:29.000 They can kick you to death.

01:17:30.000 What's the other breed that's, it's not ostrich, but it's in the same family?

01:17:34.000 Castaway?

01:17:36.000 Cossoway, I think that's what it's called.

01:17:37.000 That's the one that's dangerous.

01:17:39.000 They kill people.

01:17:41.000 You ever seen that fucking weird bird?

01:17:43.000 No, I haven't seen it.

01:17:44.000 Am I saying it right?

01:17:45.000 A cassowary thing?

01:17:46.000 Cassowary, that's right.

01:17:47.000 Cassowary.

01:17:48.000 Yeah, they're freaky looking, man.

01:17:50.000 They're freaky looking.

01:17:51.000 Yeah, they're a big ass bird too, but they kill people. 1.00

01:17:54.000 The people have died by being attacked by these birds.

01:17:56.000 And what, pecks them on their face?

01:17:58.000 I think they claw them.

01:17:59.000 I think they attack you with their claw.

01:18:01.000 It might be their face too.

01:18:02.000 Their face looks like a fucking hatchet.

01:18:05.000 Wow, beautiful bird.

01:18:06.000 Beautiful.

01:18:07.000 God, look at his eyes.

01:18:08.000 Wow.

01:18:09.000 I'm looking at you.

01:18:12.000 Yeah.

01:18:12.000 Wow, look at the comb.

01:18:13.000 Google cassowary kills people.

01:18:17.000 And where are they found?

01:18:18.000 Just in Australia?

01:18:19.000 I don't know where that one is.

01:18:22.000 A massive, flightless, emu-like creature.

01:18:24.000 That's the word, emu.

01:18:25.000 As the most dangerous bird in the world, owing to the fact that it can seriously injure or kill a human or a dog in an instant with its deadly claws.

01:18:33.000 Yeah, it's the claws.

01:18:35.000 Yeah.

01:18:36.000 They just rip you apart.

01:18:37.000 So they go for your guts.

01:18:39.000 You know, that's the same.

01:18:41.000 Yeah.

01:18:42.000 Yeah.

01:18:43.000 Look at their tips.

01:18:45.000 Oh, my God.

01:18:45.000 They got fucking talons for claws.

01:18:48.000 Jeez.

01:18:48.000 Five inch.

01:18:49.000 They can eviscerate a human being with a single kick.

01:18:53.000 Although there's no record of this happening.

01:18:55.000 It wasn't because the people are dead.

01:18:56.000 They can run 13 miles an hour.

01:18:59.000 Killed a 75-year-old man who was raising one. 0.54

01:19:01.000 In Florida.

01:19:02.000 He tripped and fell on it.

01:19:04.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

01:19:05.000 It's succumbed to its age.

01:19:07.000 Yeah.

01:19:08.000 Wow.

01:19:09.000 Well, that's a bird I'm not going to collect.

01:19:11.000 Hmm.

01:19:13.000 Yeah.

01:19:14.000 What's the dumbest bird, Jamie?

01:19:16.000 So, it's...

01:19:17.000 It said owls are smart when I Google it.

01:19:20.000 Lies. 0.99

01:19:21.000 Dumb or smart.

01:19:21.000 Lies.

01:19:22.000 Lies. 0.99

01:19:22.000 It said they're almost as smart as a crow or a raven. 0.99

01:19:24.000 That's horseshit.

01:19:25.000 But I did see some stuff saying they're not that smart or their brains are different.

01:19:29.000 But they have really good eyesight and stuff.

01:19:31.000 Oh yeah, they have killer eyesight.

01:19:32.000 No, owls are not dumb.

01:19:35.000 Lies! 0.92

01:19:36.000 Lies! 0.92

01:19:37.000 I was talking to a lady. 0.98

01:19:39.000 One lady told you they're not dumb. 1.00

01:19:41.000 Two ladies. 0.99

01:19:42.000 Two different falconers.

01:19:43.000 And if you have three, it's a done deal.

01:19:45.000 Two different people.

01:19:46.000 In the last year, I've hung out with two different falconers and their animals.

01:19:50.000 Yeah.

01:19:51.000 Believe it or not.

01:19:52.000 One of them had an eagle.

01:19:53.000 Yeah.

01:19:53.000 She had a female bald eagle.

01:19:56.000 It was amazing.

01:19:58.000 Dude, I caught it on my arm.

01:20:00.000 You know, you put the glove on.

01:20:01.000 You have to put a different glove for the eagle than the other animals because its talons are so powerful.

01:20:06.000 But having that thing land on your arm is crazy.

01:20:09.000 The shoebill might be the dumbest bird.

01:20:11.000 Shoebill?

01:20:12.000 Even though it makes that cool-ass sound.

01:20:13.000 Oh, yeah.

01:20:14.000 They're cool.

01:20:15.000 Have you ever seen that fucking thing?

01:20:16.000 A shoebill?

01:20:17.000 Stupidest bird in the wild.

01:20:18.000 They make a sound that sounds like gunshots.

01:20:22.000 They slap their jaws together and they stand like that.

01:20:25.000 That's what it looks like.

01:20:25.000 See how the thing's standing up?

01:20:27.000 That thing's like five feet tall.

01:20:29.000 Imagine a five foot tall bird with those evil eyes and that giant face.

01:20:33.000 Look at his fucking mouth.

01:20:34.000 Look at that beak.

01:20:36.000 Get a video of...

01:20:37.000 That's the dumbest bird? 0.99

01:20:39.000 I mean, there's multiple articles repeating it.

01:20:42.000 The dodo was a really dumb bird, too, right?

01:20:43.000 Yeah, dodo.

01:20:45.000 But can you do Google shoe bill makes noise?

01:20:49.000 Shoe bill noise?

01:20:50.000 Yeah.

01:20:51.000 It's really cool.

01:20:52.000 It sounds like a machine gun.

01:20:53.000 Listen to this.

01:20:54.000 So they kind of shake the bottom and the top of their beak or their bill backwards and forth at different speeds.

01:21:00.000 Shut the fuck up, dude. 0.98

01:21:01.000 Shut this dude up.

01:21:02.000 Shut this dude up How crazy is that?

01:21:15.000 That is AR-15.

01:21:17.000 Imagine that getting a hold of your face.

01:21:20.000 Imagine that fucking massive beach.

01:21:22.000 Or any appendage lower down.

01:21:24.000 It's a big animal too, man.

01:21:25.000 They're big.

01:21:26.000 What's the height of it?

01:21:27.000 I think they're like five feet tall.

01:21:28.000 Five.

01:21:29.000 Fuck.

01:21:29.000 Isn't that nuts?

01:21:30.000 Wow.

01:21:31.000 And they look like they're from a different time.

01:21:33.000 They look like you went back at 3.5 to 5 feet tall.

01:21:37.000 They look like they're from dinosaur times.

01:21:40.000 It doesn't even make sense.

01:21:41.000 Look at that thing. 0.92

01:21:42.000 You ever heard of a terror bird?

01:21:44.000 No.

01:21:45.000 Terror birds used to exist, like, more than a million years ago, right?

01:21:48.000 I work in human, you know, anatomy.

01:21:51.000 I know, but you're a human.

01:21:52.000 I work in meat fighting.

01:21:54.000 Oh, yeah.

01:21:54.000 I work in people beating the shit out of each other.

01:21:56.000 Yeah, and I want to complain.

01:21:58.000 About what?

01:21:58.000 I was expecting to find some elk sticks out in your front.

01:22:02.000 I've got some.

01:22:03.000 Yeah?

01:22:04.000 You have to complain.

01:22:05.000 Well, no, I'm not complaining.

01:22:07.000 Jesus Christ.

01:22:08.000 But I asked, and they said it's not available.

01:22:12.000 Jamie, Google terror bird.

01:22:14.000 Like, yeah, that image with a human being.

01:22:16.000 Where is it?

01:22:16.000 Right there.

01:22:17.000 So that is what they used to look like.

01:22:19.000 Imagine that.

01:22:20.000 Whoa.

01:22:21.000 A nine foot to ten foot tall giant flightless bird.

01:22:26.000 And they called them terror birds.

01:22:29.000 Terror, like T-E-R-R-O-R? Yeah, terror.

01:22:32.000 Like you'd be terrified if you saw that fucking giant bird.

01:22:34.000 Look at that thing. 0.92

01:22:35.000 Fucking scared shitless.

01:22:36.000 Killing horses and shit.

01:22:38.000 Terror bird.

01:22:39.000 Yeah.

01:22:40.000 It was huge.

01:22:41.000 So where can we get one?

01:22:42.000 They don't exist anymore.

01:22:43.000 When did they die off?

01:22:45.000 Look at it.

01:22:46.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:22:48.000 Imagine seeing that 10 feet tall.

01:22:50.000 Holy shit.

01:22:51.000 I'll take two, please.

01:22:53.000 Look at the size of it.

01:22:55.000 That's what they used to look like.

01:22:56.000 Well, that's a recreation, obviously.

01:22:59.000 I don't know where that is.

01:23:03.000 What year did they go extinct?

01:23:07.000 55 billion years ago.

01:23:09.000 I think it was a couple million.

01:23:10.000 Yeah.

01:23:12.000 55 billion years ago.

01:23:15.000 It says right there, when did the Tereburg go extinct? 1.00

01:23:20.000 Cenozoic era?

01:23:21.000 When's that?

01:23:22.000 What date was that?

01:23:24.000 Okay.

01:23:24.000 Was it January?

01:23:25.000 Oh, a lot more.

01:23:26.000 A lot longer ago.

01:23:27.000 The current geological age of Earth.

01:23:30.000 Oh, it's the current geological age beginning 66 million years ago and continuing to the present.

01:23:35.000 So, when did the terror birds go extinct?

01:23:39.000 Does it say?

01:23:41.000 When did they go extinct?

01:23:45.000 How do you pronounce that word?

01:23:47.000 I think it says...

01:23:48.000 Hold on.

01:23:50.000 How do you pronounce that?

01:23:52.000 P-H-O... Ferus-ra-sitis?

01:23:55.000 Ferus-ra-sitis?

01:23:57.000 How would you say it?

01:23:58.000 You're a doctor.

01:23:58.000 Terror bird.

01:23:59.000 I would say a terror bird.

01:24:01.000 Oh, it's only thousands of years ago?

01:24:03.000 One of them survived until the late Pleistocene.

01:24:06.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:24:07.000 I mean, they could have been longer, driest, you know.

01:24:10.000 Holy shit!

01:24:11.000 One of them survived until 6,000 years ago?

01:24:14.000 Between 96,000 and 6,000.

01:24:17.000 I thought it was millions.

01:24:18.000 Until the late Pleistocene.

01:24:20.000 Wow!

01:24:21.000 100,000 years ago.

01:24:23.000 Oh, we're so lucky.

01:24:24.000 Yeah, Neanderthal male.

01:24:26.000 Man, ate it up, right?

01:24:27.000 No, I don't think the Neanderthals were here.

01:24:29.000 They were European.

01:24:30.000 I think there's probably a bunch of assholes who want to bring those back, too.

01:24:35.000 You know?

01:24:36.000 They want to bring back the mammoth.

01:24:38.000 That's probably next.

01:24:39.000 Oh, they've been working on that, right?

01:24:41.000 Yeah.

01:24:41.000 They'll probably just call it a different name.

01:24:43.000 They won't call it a terror bird.

01:24:44.000 They'll call it something cute.

01:24:46.000 You know?

01:24:47.000 The conservation bird.

01:24:49.000 Big bird.

01:24:50.000 They'll call it Brig Bird.

01:24:51.000 Big Bird.

01:24:51.000 Yeah, we're going to bring back Big Bird.

01:24:53.000 Just make him yellow so people love him.

01:24:55.000 Hello, Big Bird.

01:24:58.000 Unbelievable.

01:24:59.000 The natural world.

01:25:00.000 So speaking of which, since we're talking about ridiculous shit and you are a doctor, I wanted to bring this up to you because Jamie and I were exchanging text messages yesterday about these mummies that they found in Peru that have three fingers.

01:25:16.000 The aliens.

01:25:17.000 Yeah, well, they don't know what they are, but they have three fingers, and not three fingers because they cut the fingers off.

01:25:23.000 They actually, their structure genetically has three fingers.

01:25:26.000 And their cranial capacity, they have a large head, which a lot of times they think was due to, you know, they would form their head and like...

01:25:36.000 They press boards to make their heads stretch out, which they definitely did in some tribes. 0.80

01:25:39.000 Like Chinese do with the feet. 1.00

01:25:39.000 But the question is, why were they doing that? 1.00

01:25:41.000 And were they doing it to replicate something else?

01:25:44.000 Yeah, that's it.

01:25:44.000 So the thing about these is that they had a cranial capacity that is larger than most human beings.

01:25:50.000 That's alien.

01:25:51.000 It looks like a fucking alien.

01:25:52.000 That's a fucking...

01:25:53.000 That's correct.

01:25:54.000 But is that real?

01:25:55.000 Here's the question.

01:25:57.000 Okay, three-fingered alien mummies.

01:26:00.000 Click on that article and see where are they getting this information.

01:26:02.000 I know it was in, yeah, New York Post.

01:26:04.000 So three-fingered alien mummies found in Peru have fingerprints that do not appear to be human.

01:26:11.000 So the fingerprints that it has, instead of spirals, I think they're lines.

01:26:18.000 But scroll back to where you were.

01:26:21.000 Look at that image.

01:26:23.000 That's x-ray image of their fingers.

01:26:26.000 So these are like real bones and digits.

01:26:28.000 Phalanx, yeah.

01:26:28.000 So this isn't just a statue that someone made.

01:26:32.000 Right.

01:26:32.000 This has real bone structure that is exact to like what a human being has and all those little tiny muscles in the mid-hand, right?

01:26:40.000 I mean, that all looks normal but weird with the three fingers and three toes.

01:26:44.000 And so if you scroll down, you'll see more images.

01:26:49.000 So this is what it looked like when they found it.

01:26:52.000 So the body is covered.

01:26:54.000 Go back so I can read that, please.

01:26:58.000 It says the body is covered with diatomaceous earth, a type of white powder made from the sediment of fossilized algae found in the bodies of water.

01:27:08.000 The only possible explanation for the unusually straight fingerprints could possibly have something to do with the way her skin was preserved, he said.

01:27:16.000 Noting that it's very odd.

01:27:18.000 So the US medical examiners traveled to Peru last April to study the bodies with the lack of human fingerprints as puzzling.

01:27:24.000 He said it would be extremely premature to make any statements about the mummy's origins.

01:27:29.000 So they know for a fact that these things are biological and they're not created.

01:27:33.000 Have they done any sort of DNA? Look at the picture of what it actually looks like.

01:27:37.000 That's fucking crazy.

01:27:39.000 That does look like an alien.

01:27:42.000 I mean, that's exactly what people expect to see at their bed in the middle of the night.

01:27:45.000 Yeah.

01:27:46.000 You said it looks like an alien.

01:27:48.000 Yeah.

01:27:48.000 It is an alien.

01:27:49.000 If it's real.

01:27:50.000 It's so hard.

01:27:51.000 And no disrespect to the post.

01:27:53.000 But, you know, people bullshit.

01:27:55.000 Not those.

01:27:56.000 Those, I think, have proven to be horseshit.

01:27:58.000 But if you scroll up, scroll back to where you were, back to where you were, that thing.

01:28:02.000 Okay.

01:28:04.000 I want to know what that is.

01:28:05.000 Like, what is that?

01:28:06.000 Because it's got three fingers and three toes and it's got an alien face.

01:28:10.000 It looks like a gray.

01:28:12.000 It has a tiny slot for a mouth and tiny dots for a nose.

01:28:15.000 It looks like the archetypal alien that people see in Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

01:28:25.000 What was that other movie?

01:28:26.000 The Whitley Stryber movie?

01:28:28.000 Communion.

01:28:29.000 I didn't see that one.

01:28:31.000 That's a weird one because Whitley Stryber is also a fiction writer.

01:28:35.000 And he wrote this book about his own personal experiences with aliens, which I want to believe him.

01:28:39.000 Yeah, that's a classical impression, face-wise, of an alien of a gray, as you say.

01:28:44.000 100%.

01:28:45.000 Even with the shape of the eyes, the eyes are kind of slanted, not like a human's.

01:28:50.000 They're at angles, just like they always show them with these kind of...

01:28:54.000 They look, you know...

01:28:55.000 The big eyes.

01:28:56.000 The ominous.

01:28:57.000 We have to have an image of one of them around here somewhere, don't we?

01:28:59.000 Yeah, you probably have.

01:29:00.000 Aliens all over this fucking place.

01:29:02.000 But that classic look is exactly what those mummies look like. 0.95

01:29:06.000 So they have straight fingers.

01:29:08.000 Go back.

01:29:08.000 What did you just wear?

01:29:10.000 Three figures.

01:29:11.000 Jesus Christ, all these pop-ups.

01:29:12.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:29:13.000 Yeah.

01:29:13.000 It says the humanoid three-fingered alien mummies have straight fingerprints that do not match those of humans, according to an attorney who reviewed one of the controversial specimens.

01:29:22.000 Oh, an attorney said that.

01:29:23.000 You believe him?

01:29:24.000 I don't know.

01:29:25.000 That's where the rest of this came from is because this guy didn't believe whatever I was saying.

01:29:28.000 So he's like, we're going to go look.

01:29:30.000 So Joshua McDowell, a former Colorado prosecutor and current defense attorney, examined one of the tiny strange bodies named Maria with three independent forensic medical examiners from the United States.

01:29:41.000 Scroll.

01:29:43.000 It said he and the experts were shocked to discover that the fingerprints in the ET-like corpses were in perfectly straight lines.

01:29:48.000 They were not traditional human fingerprint patterns, he told the Daily Mail.

01:29:53.000 But did they do an analysis of the tissue?

01:29:56.000 Did they find out that it's actually biological tissue?

01:30:00.000 Can you scroll down further?

01:30:02.000 It doesn't say anything like that.

01:30:03.000 So I was trying to go to different articles to find better.

01:30:05.000 So I'm a forensic prosecutor.

01:30:06.000 I'm a criminal defense attorney.

01:30:08.000 I've seen lots of fingerprints, and these were not classic fingerprints.

01:30:11.000 Look how weird it is.

01:30:12.000 Look at that image.

01:30:13.000 That's so crazy looking.

01:30:14.000 And also, how did I just find out about this yesterday?

01:30:18.000 We talked about it before.

01:30:20.000 I know, but I never saw it look like this.

01:30:22.000 What I saw were those other ones that I think have been proven, I might be wrong, but I think at least allegedly had been proven to not be real.

01:30:30.000 And that the person who was exposing those, those little tiny ones that were like laying down straight, that guy had a history of doing some deceptive stuff, allegedly.

01:30:43.000 But you believe that they're there.

01:30:45.000 Do I believe?

01:30:45.000 I mean, you believe that the aliens are here.

01:30:47.000 I do not not believe.

01:30:49.000 Do not not believe.

01:30:50.000 I don't disbelieve.

01:30:52.000 You're ambivalent as to the fact that they're here.

01:30:55.000 I wouldn't even say I'm ambivalent.

01:30:57.000 I am open-minded.

01:30:58.000 Okay.

01:30:59.000 You won't say yes.

01:31:00.000 Yeah, I'm logical.

01:31:02.000 I think there's a lot of deception going on.

01:31:04.000 Okay.

01:31:04.000 I think there's also the possibility that what we're dealing with is not as simple as we like to think.

01:31:09.000 Yeah, these things.

01:31:10.000 So these things I've heard are bullshit.

01:31:13.000 I don't...

01:31:14.000 Might be wrong.

01:31:16.000 I'm trying to find out.

01:31:17.000 Might that be misinformation?

01:31:20.000 That journalist that unveiled the bodies and the guy who exposed the bodies, the guy who exposed the bodies I think was the one, the guy who came up with it.

01:31:31.000 I was trying to figure out how, so there's an issue of them being found in Peru and taken to Mexico.

01:31:37.000 Oh.

01:31:38.000 There's already that issue.

01:31:39.000 Okay.

01:31:40.000 And then...

01:31:41.000 Where they said they were found near Nazca in 2017. I'm trying to figure out, okay, who found them?

01:31:46.000 Yeah, that was the thing about that alien-looking one with the three fingers that was even more interesting to me.

01:31:53.000 Because that's that area where there's these incredible patterns that are made on the ground that you can only see from space.

01:32:00.000 Nazca lines, yeah.

01:32:00.000 Or not space, the air.

01:32:02.000 Right.

01:32:02.000 You can only see looking down on them.

01:32:04.000 So it's like, why would anybody even make those things?

01:32:06.000 And some of them look like, the images look like animals and stuff.

01:32:10.000 You know, spiders.

01:32:11.000 Yeah, weird stuff.

01:32:12.000 And some of them look like maybe even a person.

01:32:18.000 Mexican doctors have examined the two bodies that featured elongated heads and three fingers on each hand.

01:32:22.000 Same thing, three fingers.

01:32:23.000 They found no evidence of any assembly or manipulation of the skulls, but other scientists have panned the discovery as an elaborate stunt.

01:32:31.000 Mao-San, 70, who touted the purported extraterrestrials as the most important thing that has happened to humanity, has denied any wrongdoing.

01:32:40.000 Scroll down.

01:32:42.000 Look at that.

01:32:43.000 How fucking weird.

01:32:45.000 Yeah.

01:32:45.000 I believe that there are...

01:32:47.000 Aliens.

01:32:48.000 Why do you believe that?

01:32:49.000 Why do I believe that?

01:32:51.000 Why would we be the only people on a planet when there are millions and billions of planets out there?

01:33:00.000 And we've reached a level of technology that allows us to send a ship to the moon, anticipation with Musk to go to Mars and so forth.

01:33:11.000 How about there are other...

01:33:14.000 People on other planets who have accelerated have been there millions of years longer than we have.

01:33:20.000 Why isn't it that they're able to come to us to see what we're doing?

01:33:24.000 We're going out to other planets to see what was on other planets.

01:33:28.000 I believe that there are other people out there.

01:33:32.000 According to the UFO aficionado, by the way, as you say, according to UFO aficionado, I already started looking at you side-eyed.

01:33:38.000 You believe that?

01:33:39.000 Yeah.

01:33:40.000 The analysis showed that the humanoids are not related to any known earthly species and that one-third of their DNA is unknown.

01:33:46.000 There you go.

01:33:47.000 Well, take it and map it.

01:33:48.000 Let's make a new one.

01:33:49.000 Yeah, let's look at the DNA relative to ours.

01:33:51.000 Get those mastodon guys and introduce some simian biology into them and turn it into a new kind of alien. 0.99

01:33:59.000 Yeah, just do a 23andMe.

01:34:00.000 It says, the specimens are not a part of our evolutionary history of Earth.

01:34:05.000 The university has since distanced itself from Maussan, claiming its scientists took no part in the research and never came in contact with the full corpses.

01:34:13.000 In no case do we make conclusions about the origin of these samples.

01:34:17.000 The university's National Laboratory of Mass Spectrometry with Accelerator said in a statement.

01:34:23.000 Okay.

01:34:23.000 "The presence of carbon-14 allegedly detected in the specimens proved the samples were related to brain and skin tissues from different mummies who died at different times." What does that mean?

01:34:35.000 From one individual?

01:34:37.000 Is that saying from one individual?

01:34:39.000 The presence of carbon-14 allegedly detected in the specimens proved that the samples were related to brain and skin tissue from different mummies who died at different times.

01:34:50.000 So they're all different.

01:34:51.000 They come from different times, and they're all different little mummies. 0.85

01:34:55.000 So that's what they're saying.

01:34:56.000 So what they're saying is that the carbon isotope dating is showing that.

01:35:02.000 That's what it is, right?

01:35:04.000 Is that what they're saying?

01:35:05.000 I think so.

01:35:05.000 Okay.

01:35:06.000 So how do you account for the fact that in Egypt and in the Mayan rooms and so forth— Oh, hold on.

01:35:15.000 This is our buddy Ryan.

01:35:16.000 U.S. Navy pilot Ryan Graves, who attended the hearing to share his personal experience with alleged UFO sightings, later slammed Mao Zedong's presentation as a stunt.

01:35:25.000 He said yesterday's demonstration was a huge step backwards for this issue.

01:35:29.000 Graves wrote on X, formerly Twitter, I am deeply disappointed by this unsubstantiated stunt.

01:35:34.000 Well, he's a very legitimate guy, Ryan Graves is, and very intelligent.

01:35:38.000 And if he's saying it's a stunt, now I'm super skeptical.

01:35:42.000 Okay.

01:35:43.000 He has a history of making controversial claims about other alien remains that have been wildly discredited.

01:35:49.000 Widely discredited.

01:35:50.000 Okay.

01:35:51.000 In 2017, he participated in a TV documentary about other specimens recovered near Peru's Nazca lines, which experts have said to have been concocted out of modified mummies.

01:36:03.000 Yeah.

01:36:04.000 So I wonder if they're talking about that other thing when they're saying that.

01:36:09.000 This is older than the one we were looking at.

01:36:11.000 The one we're looking at, when did they find that one?

01:36:13.000 When did they find that alien?

01:36:16.000 It said the same time.

01:36:17.000 That's why I was trying to get into this, and the sources aren't great.

01:36:20.000 It says they're all coming from the same area around the same time, but they all look different.

01:36:24.000 Yeah, that looks super different.

01:36:26.000 That one looks more like the way something you'd find dead.

01:36:31.000 Even the way its legs are rotted away, it doesn't look fake.

01:36:36.000 That one video we watched, or you sent me, It was getting more towards, like, they could have been found in a burial-type site that other groups used similar things.

01:36:46.000 Where did they find this one, though?

01:36:48.000 This is the one I'm interested in.

01:36:49.000 Yeah, it doesn't say specifically.

01:36:50.000 But the fact that they did an x-ray and they show the actual fingers and toes, it looks just like real fingers and real toes with actual bones.

01:36:57.000 That's crazy.

01:36:59.000 Cubiform bones, the phalanx.

01:37:02.000 You know, they're consistent with, you know, looking at human hands.

01:37:05.000 Right, but it's consistent with a human hand that would have three fingers, right?

01:37:08.000 It doesn't have, there's not missing digits.

01:37:09.000 So you say it's genetic abnormalities, so they only have three fingers?

01:37:13.000 It could be.

01:37:14.000 Well, there's a group of people in Africa that have, like, bird feet. 0.97

01:37:17.000 Have you ever seen them?

01:37:18.000 No.

01:37:19.000 They have toes.

01:37:20.000 It's like a genetic mutation that exists, and it's thought to be like a prized thing.

01:37:25.000 And these people have, like, two toes, and their feet branch off like this.

01:37:29.000 And there's a bunch of people in this village that have these feet that are like this I forget what they call them like bird feet or I forget how they describe them.

01:37:37.000 Yeah, these are the folks So now, if you found these guys, and there's not just one of them...

01:37:44.000 Substantial minority of vedoma have a condition known as...

01:37:48.000 You said that.

01:37:49.000 You're the doctor.

01:37:51.000 Ectodactyly.

01:37:52.000 Ectodactyly, which means the middle three toes are absent and the two outer ones are turned in, resulting in the tribe being known as the two-toed or ostrich-footed tribe.

01:38:00.000 So go to images and see what that looks like.

01:38:04.000 Really wild, because there's like a bunch of them hanging out together.

01:38:06.000 Like, look at their feet.

01:38:07.000 So now, if you found a body that had those, you would say, oh, those are aliens.

01:38:13.000 No, but look at that alien, if you go back to the one that was original, with the eyes and the face and the size.

01:38:19.000 Yeah, definitely.

01:38:20.000 These are grays, okay? 1.00

01:38:21.000 Well, it certainly looks like what I would think a gray would be.

01:38:24.000 Correct.

01:38:24.000 And the fact that it doesn't have a thumb is odd, too.

01:38:28.000 That is also one of the things that people have said about these things.

01:38:30.000 There's also—they always have said that they have very long fingers.

01:38:35.000 And you look at his fingers in relation to the size of the body.

01:38:38.000 They're very long.

01:38:39.000 Long fingers and very long toes.

01:38:42.000 Yeah.

01:38:42.000 So how do you account for the fact that there are multiple – from the Assyrians to the Egyptians to the Aztecs, Toltecs, Mayans, where they have on their structures, they have imagery of flying where they have on their structures, they have imagery of flying saucers, helicopters, alien – there is a couple with the – they look How do you account for that?

01:39:07.000 I think the helicopter one I think is a fraud.

01:39:09.000 You think it's all fraud?

01:39:10.000 I think that one is.

01:39:11.000 I think that's photoshopped.

01:39:12.000 I think it is.

01:39:13.000 You think?

01:39:14.000 Yeah.

01:39:15.000 I'm pretty sure that's been shown.

01:39:17.000 But the planes that they found that are like wooden carved planes.

01:39:24.000 They look like airplanes that they found in tombs.

01:39:28.000 That's fascinating.

01:39:29.000 They have a rudder.

01:39:30.000 They have a tail.

01:39:31.000 They have wings.

01:39:32.000 And it looks like a plane.

01:39:34.000 So how do you count for that?

01:39:35.000 That is crazy.

01:39:36.000 How do you count for that?

01:39:37.000 Well, I don't know what we're looking at.

01:39:41.000 And I think there's more to reality than we see.

01:39:46.000 I have a feeling that our senses are extremely limited and that there's...

01:39:51.000 Other dimensions that we don't have access to that might have access to us.

01:39:56.000 I don't necessarily discredit the idea of something traveling from another planet.

01:40:01.000 I think we might be dealing with that too.

01:40:04.000 I think we might be dealing with a bunch of different civilizations and entities that are at very different stages of evolution.

01:40:13.000 So if life exists all throughout the galaxy, we know a bunch of things, right?

01:40:18.000 We know that planets...

01:40:20.000 Have certain ages.

01:40:22.000 We know that some planets are very old and some planets are much younger and we know that some planets are much closer to the Sun and some planets live in a very hospitable environment.

01:40:31.000 We know that some planets like ours are essentially in a shooting gallery because there's 900,000 near-Earth objects or more that are flying around, slamming into things.

01:40:42.000 And if it wasn't for Jupiter, we'd be fucked.

01:40:44.000 If it wasn't for Jupiter's enormous gravity and mass pulling everything into it, that's...

01:40:50.000 It's like basically our catcher.

01:40:51.000 It catches all the shit that flies into our solar system and slams into Jupiter.

01:40:55.000 And of course the moon itself is pockmarked with...

01:40:58.000 So imagine a planet that doesn't have that issue.

01:41:02.000 Imagine a planet that has a different environment where there's not a bunch of shit flying around.

01:41:06.000 And they think that flying around stuff is largely a part of collisions.

01:41:10.000 Like planets colliding with each other in the distant past.

01:41:13.000 And that's actually how Earth got formed.

01:41:15.000 You got a bathroom?

01:41:16.000 Yeah, go, go. 0.85

01:41:16.000 Go, go, go. 0.85

01:41:17.000 Thanks.

01:41:17.000 This is a good time.

01:41:18.000 I'm investigating this stuff.

01:41:20.000 Jamie's investigating.

01:41:21.000 Yes, I'm excited.

01:41:23.000 Investigating.

01:41:24.000 Why would there be...

01:41:24.000 Go pee.

01:41:26.000 Go pee.

01:41:26.000 Come on, buddy.

01:41:27.000 Thanks.

01:41:28.000 To the left.

01:41:29.000 To the left.

01:41:30.000 Yeah.

01:41:30.000 This dude's already lit.

01:41:32.000 He's had three giant glasses of whiskey.

01:41:36.000 And he's 78 years old?

01:41:37.000 Yeah, I got a clearer picture of that egg, too.

01:41:39.000 God, I hope my brain works that good when I'm 78. You know what I'm saying?

01:41:42.000 Like, that dude just...

01:41:43.000 He doesn't even have any notes.

01:41:45.000 He's just pulling all his information out of the ether.

01:41:47.000 So the guy who took him, you mean to wait?

01:41:50.000 Which, the egg?

01:41:51.000 No, no.

01:41:52.000 Fuck the egg.

01:41:53.000 This is the Nazca Mami stuff. 1.00

01:41:54.000 Oh, yeah.

01:41:56.000 He said he removed as many as 200 sets of remains from the cave.

01:42:00.000 Whoa.

01:42:00.000 Some of the bodies have been smuggled out of Peru to France, Spain, and Russia.

01:42:04.000 Oh.

01:42:05.000 In an interview with Reuters, he said...

01:42:09.000 This is from...

01:42:10.000 What would you do?

01:42:12.000 Let's ask this.

01:42:12.000 What would you do if somebody got you one of them mummies?

01:42:16.000 If somebody said, hey, Jamie, give me that money that you won from Shane.

01:42:20.000 Ooh, look at that.

01:42:21.000 Whoa.

01:42:22.000 The same thing, though.

01:42:23.000 Three toes.

01:42:24.000 Look how long the fucking toes are.

01:42:25.000 I think that's where the x-ray comes from is these.

01:42:28.000 Oh.

01:42:30.000 It's the same guy, the McDowell guy.

01:42:32.000 Oh, the same guy keeps finding him?

01:42:34.000 Yeah, it's the same people.

01:42:35.000 A little sus.

01:42:36.000 Right.

01:42:36.000 They found about eight, I think, is what they're saying here.

01:42:39.000 And then McDowell's father is saying they're having a hard time getting them to the U.S. to do more studies.

01:42:45.000 Oh, yeah.

01:42:45.000 Super hard.

01:42:46.000 Cut the fucking shit.

01:42:47.000 They're already pissed about them.

01:42:48.000 Let me call Elon.

01:42:48.000 Disappearing.

01:42:49.000 He'll shoot a rocket over there.

01:42:50.000 Pick those things up quick.

01:42:52.000 Let me see the skull again.

01:42:53.000 Have they done an x-ray of the skull?

01:42:55.000 Why wouldn't they do that?

01:42:56.000 I had an x-ray on one of these.

01:42:58.000 Of the skull?

01:42:58.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

01:43:01.000 Holy shit, dude.

01:43:02.000 It looks like a skull.

01:43:03.000 One of the smaller ones, though.

01:43:04.000 Yeah, but whatever.

01:43:05.000 Look at that thing. 0.92

01:43:06.000 This could be eggs.

01:43:08.000 What?

01:43:09.000 I don't know.

01:43:10.000 What is that?

01:43:12.000 Imagine if you found out those are like anal toys and they're just freaks. 0.95

01:43:16.000 I do believe one of these they were saying was made up of different animal parts and stuff.

01:43:19.000 Come sit down and put a microphone on.

01:43:22.000 So we're looking at x-rays of one of them is bullshit.

01:43:26.000 Look at the fucking x-rays of the skulls, man.

01:43:29.000 Like, you're a doctor.

01:43:31.000 Look at that.

01:43:31.000 That looks like real shit, right?

01:43:33.000 That looks like real.

01:43:34.000 Yeah.

01:43:34.000 It looks like real bones.

01:43:36.000 Well, yeah.

01:43:37.000 Completely different.

01:43:38.000 Yeah.

01:43:38.000 X-ray shows it, the caviarium, the space for the brain.

01:43:43.000 What is that thing across his chest?

01:43:45.000 What's that thing?

01:43:48.000 Instead of the sternum, it's their form of sternum.

01:43:50.000 Yeah, I guess, right?

01:43:52.000 Yeah, because the sternum holds our two sides, left and right together.

01:43:55.000 Maybe it had surgery.

01:43:56.000 Yeah.

01:43:57.000 Maybe it had surgery.

01:43:58.000 Implant.

01:43:59.000 Jesus.

01:44:00.000 Yeah, maybe that's its neural link.

01:44:02.000 Where's this from?

01:44:03.000 So this is, I was like digging more.

01:44:05.000 This is from this year.

01:44:07.000 Look at that one.

01:44:08.000 Look at that.

01:44:08.000 Show that to Dr. Gordon.

01:44:11.000 Look at the same thing.

01:44:12.000 Different finger, the long fingers, long toes.

01:44:15.000 Same thing, three.

01:44:16.000 And real similar in the way they look.

01:44:20.000 So all these are coming out of Peru.

01:44:23.000 They all came from the same area.

01:44:26.000 When you disappeared, they said they've gotten close to 200 different spots.

01:44:29.000 I didn't disappear.

01:44:29.000 I'm here.

01:44:30.000 You disappeared.

01:44:31.000 You just went to the bathroom, Jamie.

01:44:33.000 I didn't disappear.

01:44:35.000 I just had to pee.

01:44:36.000 Come on.

01:44:38.000 It's like he left you.

01:44:40.000 Look at that x-ray of the skulls, the skeletons, though, rather.

01:44:44.000 Those look real.

01:44:45.000 So fascinating.

01:44:46.000 It looks very weird.

01:44:49.000 This is what I was seeing, too.

01:44:50.000 The videographer isn't known.

01:44:53.000 They don't know who shot this video.

01:44:57.000 Well, it says the videographer behind the new footage is unknown in no small measure due to the thorny legal and ethical dimensions of handling these allegedly historical and culturally priceless ancient remains.

01:45:08.000 That makes sense.

01:45:09.000 I don't know exactly who shot the video, but there are context clues in the longer version.

01:45:14.000 One source who had...

01:45:16.000 Also been granted the tape, told DailyMail.com.

01:45:20.000 They call them Jaqueros, who has long been involved in the promotion of these Nazca mummies, was convicted of assault on public monuments for taking artifacts in 2022. So if you take these artifacts, they go after you.

01:45:34.000 The man received a four-year suspended sentence, was fined about 20,000 Peruvian souls, just 5,190 U.S. dollars, according to Reuters.

01:45:43.000 A clear example of the high-risk, extra-legal measures some have taken to seek either truth or profit from these aliens.

01:45:49.000 That makes sense.

01:45:50.000 So it's dangerous to pull them out.

01:45:52.000 You can get in trouble.

01:45:53.000 So then I think that what I was getting to, too, was the journalist?

01:45:58.000 Yeah.

01:45:59.000 Has a lawsuit?

01:46:01.000 He's taken the Peruvian government to court, hoping to negotiate with Peru, as he put it, to be allowed to export the samples to be done in America.

01:46:08.000 The lawsuit is already in for $300 million.

01:46:11.000 Wow.

01:46:12.000 Explained he's pursuing monetary damages to repair his enterprise's damaged reputation, but intends to spend the cash on a museum for the mummies.

01:46:20.000 Hookers. 0.99

01:46:21.000 And a Ferrari.

01:46:22.000 I want a Ferrari.

01:46:25.000 And Dr. McDowell himself has also recently pled with Peru's government in an open letter published in one of the country's top newspapers asking for official permission to study these specimens at top flight scientific facilities in the U.S. Well, I like that.

01:46:39.000 I like that at least he's trying to get them, if it's true, that he's trying to get them studied.

01:46:44.000 But you imagine if you were one doctor who did find these things, you would receive a tremendous amount of skepticism and assholes like me, like making fun of them.

01:46:55.000 Wes Hollywood is at the Mondrian.

01:46:58.000 Interesting stuff, man.

01:47:00.000 So when you look at that as a doctor, does that look like horseshit to you?

01:47:03.000 Or does it look real?

01:47:04.000 No, it looks real.

01:47:05.000 I mean, the x-rays that you were showing.

01:47:06.000 You know, the fact that they came from NASCA with all those lines, and I know about it all.

01:47:11.000 And Machu Picchu.

01:47:12.000 And Machu Picchu.

01:47:13.000 Which is a really amazing place that they, to this day, don't really understand how they built it.

01:47:19.000 Correct.

01:47:21.000 Allison went there to Machu Picchu.

01:47:23.000 Yeah.

01:47:24.000 So she was chewing on coca leaves in a candy and so forth.

01:47:29.000 But I gave her Diamox so that she can acclimate.

01:47:34.000 Oxygen?

01:47:35.000 Diamox is the tablet you take to boost your...

01:47:37.000 Cordyceps mushroom is good for that too.

01:47:39.000 There's a lot of things good for you.

01:47:41.000 This is a pharmaceutical pill.

01:47:42.000 But, you know, in my mind, knowing that it's NASCA lines and the association of possible aliens and then finding these...

01:47:52.000 You know, these corpses coming from NASCA, you know, you put one and one together and it makes sense that...

01:47:59.000 Sort of.

01:48:00.000 Sort of, yeah.

01:48:00.000 It also makes sense that if you were going to hoax things, that's where you would hoax them.

01:48:03.000 Correct.

01:48:04.000 I got it.

01:48:05.000 And that's skepticism that you have for it.

01:48:07.000 Well, I'm just being rational.

01:48:09.000 I'm not being skeptical.

01:48:10.000 I'm honestly not skeptical.

01:48:11.000 I'm kind of open-minded about this stuff.

01:48:12.000 So you don't believe that it's real?

01:48:13.000 I don't know if it's real.

01:48:14.000 Oh, yeah.

01:48:15.000 I like to think it's real, but that's the problem is that I really want to think it's real.

01:48:18.000 So what do you do?

01:48:18.000 You say it's not real, but it looks real.

01:48:20.000 I don't say nothing.

01:48:21.000 Okay.

01:48:21.000 I just talk shit.

01:48:24.000 That's what got you here.

01:48:25.000 That's what we're doing.

01:48:26.000 We're just talking shit.

01:48:27.000 I don't know.

01:48:28.000 I'm not an expert in biology.

01:48:30.000 I mean, the skeleton looks real to me, but what do I know?

01:48:32.000 If I was going to make a fake skeleton, could I do that with a bunch of discarded bones?

01:48:37.000 Maybe.

01:48:37.000 What I'm skeptical about is the way the joints, they extend...

01:48:41.000 On the fingers.

01:48:42.000 Well, not just the fingers.

01:48:43.000 Yeah, but they look like ours, right?

01:48:45.000 Like the same way...

01:48:45.000 If you go back to that skeleton again, please.

01:48:48.000 Correct.

01:48:48.000 If you look at it in the x-ray, what you see is...

01:48:52.000 The bones, they're formed, they're very similar to the way ours are formed.

01:48:57.000 Correct.

01:48:57.000 Where at the end of it, not one of the actual skeletons, Jamie.

01:49:00.000 Yeah, so look at how the bones are at the top and where the joint is.

01:49:04.000 That looks like how our bones are.

01:49:07.000 The hinge in the joint of the elbow looks exactly like how a human's is, except it's one bone instead of two, which is, let's be honest, probably a better design.

01:49:16.000 You know, the two bones, that little one.

01:49:18.000 I broke that little one before.

01:49:19.000 You ever broke the little one?

01:49:20.000 The little onar.

01:49:21.000 Yeah, I broke the fibula, too.

01:49:22.000 Whoa.

01:49:23.000 Yeah, the small one.

01:49:24.000 Yeah, the small one on the leg.

01:49:26.000 In jiu-jitsu?

01:49:28.000 No, kickboxing.

01:49:29.000 Kickboxing.

01:49:29.000 Not even checking a kick.

01:49:30.000 We were kicking at the same time, and a heel hit my shin. 1.00

01:49:33.000 It looks suggestive, okay, of it being something that might be real.

01:49:39.000 It definitely looks suggestive of something that might be real and very unique, right?

01:49:43.000 Very different than our anatomy.

01:49:45.000 And it's our prejudice that says that, oh, we're the only people here.

01:49:48.000 Well, I don't think that.

01:49:49.000 What do you think?

01:49:50.000 I don't know.

01:49:51.000 Yeah.

01:49:51.000 I don't.

01:49:52.000 I think...

01:49:52.000 I think the possibility that something could be so advanced that all of our ideas of how it got here and how long it's been here are just silly.

01:50:02.000 I think we might be just like these people in the Amazon that my friend Paul Rosely is running into.

01:50:07.000 They don't know that he goes on the Joe Rogan experience and reaches 15 million people.

01:50:11.000 They don't have any idea.

01:50:12.000 They have no idea.

01:50:13.000 So what do they see?

01:50:14.000 They see some guy with clothes on.

01:50:16.000 Like, what is this asshole doing?

01:50:17.000 And, you know, he's out there in the Amazon.

01:50:20.000 And, you know, and then he takes a picture.

01:50:24.000 Their experience with him is probably kind of similar to our experience, but except much more exaggerated, with aliens.

01:50:31.000 If you came into contact with something that's a million years more advanced than us, what would that contact be like?

01:50:39.000 Are we so limited in our understanding of...

01:50:44.000 How you move through the universe that we assume that everything has to use rockets and everything has to burn fuel and shoot things and to defy gravity by, you know, by pushing against it.

01:50:56.000 Maybe not.

01:50:57.000 Maybe there's much more advanced propulsion systems that exist. 0.67

01:51:01.000 These are the hands.

01:51:02.000 They're dissecting it.

01:51:04.000 Whoa.

01:51:07.000 What the fuck, man?

01:51:10.000 Whoa.

01:51:12.000 Yeah, the dissection, they'll know.

01:51:14.000 That looks like weird bones in a hand.

01:51:17.000 That's creepy.

01:51:20.000 That's so creepy.

01:51:21.000 Look at their skin. 0.99

01:51:22.000 I mean, obviously mummified, but how fucking weird.

01:51:26.000 How weird.

01:51:27.000 Look at the bones underneath it.

01:51:28.000 That's crazy.

01:51:30.000 That is so crazy.

01:51:32.000 And you're going to tell me someone put this together as a joke.

01:51:35.000 Well, I don't know.

01:51:36.000 I mean, I'm looking at this.

01:51:37.000 I don't know who's a part of this, but when he peels that back and you see those bones again, that is fucking nuts.

01:51:46.000 That's so wild.

01:51:48.000 But also, why are those bones so clear for a mummified thing? 0.97

01:51:53.000 Those bones look, in my mind, they don't look mummified.

01:51:56.000 They look more recent.

01:51:58.000 But what do I know?

01:51:59.000 It almost looks wet.

01:52:00.000 Go back to that image.

01:52:01.000 Yeah, it was wet.

01:52:02.000 The other thing was shiny, too.

01:52:03.000 Right.

01:52:04.000 So is that because they put something on it?

01:52:07.000 Or is that what happens when you cut that thing open?

01:52:11.000 I'll try to find a longer video and see if I can figure out how they did it.

01:52:13.000 Them putting distilled water on it during the process of dissecting it.

01:52:19.000 Maybe they're trying to clean off the bones and they did something to it to brush it and put water on it there.

01:52:24.000 Whatever that is.

01:52:25.000 How old did they say that that was?

01:52:27.000 That's a good question.

01:52:28.000 Did they carbon date it?

01:52:31.000 See, that would be the thing to do, is the carbon data to find out whether or not if it's that old, then it should be petrified, and therefore it shouldn't look like that.

01:52:40.000 Right, right.

01:52:40.000 Like if it's a million years old.

01:52:41.000 If it's a million years old.

01:52:43.000 But if it's only 500 years old, then things get real weird.

01:52:45.000 It's a totally different story.

01:52:45.000 So the way that the bones should look.

01:52:47.000 Yeah.

01:52:48.000 It's weird as shit.

01:52:50.000 Yeah.

01:52:50.000 But the thing is, like, there's so many people that essentially make a living off of lying.

01:52:56.000 They make a living off of bullshitting.

01:52:58.000 Yeah.

01:52:59.000 You know?

01:53:00.000 There's a lot of that going on.

01:53:02.000 So religiously, I mean, look at from a religious standpoint, what's the impact of acknowledging that there are other species in extraterrestrials?

01:53:13.000 What's the impact on religion here in the United States or here in the world?

01:53:17.000 Depends on which religion you're talking about, right? 0.93

01:53:19.000 It doesn't matter.

01:53:20.000 I think the Vatican has been pretty open to the idea that we're not alone.

01:53:24.000 And that God could possibly have created other life forms.

01:53:28.000 See, that's true.

01:53:29.000 I'm pretty sure that's true.

01:53:30.000 I think the Vatican gave a statement within the last decade or so about this.

01:53:34.000 Yeah.

01:53:35.000 But they probably know some shit, right?

01:53:36.000 Yeah, they probably have it.

01:53:39.000 You've seen some of the Russian stuff.

01:53:41.000 You've seen some of the Russian studies where they had aliens who crashed in a flying saucer and they abused the aliens. 0.79

01:53:49.000 Vatican astronomer says if aliens exist, they may not need redemption.

01:53:55.000 That's cool.

01:53:56.000 Jesus gave him a falcon hall pass.

01:53:58.000 Blessed be those who come from other planets.

01:54:00.000 There may be a different life form that does not need Christ's redemption, the Vatican.

01:54:04.000 Vatican chief astronomer said.

01:54:06.000 That makes sense.

01:54:07.000 I mean, if they came from somewhere else.

01:54:09.000 Difficult to exclude the possibility that other intelligent life exists in the universe.

01:54:13.000 He noted that one field of astronomy is now actively seeking biomarkers and spectrum analysis of other stars and planets.

01:54:19.000 That's true.

01:54:20.000 They definitely have done that.

01:54:21.000 These potential forms of life could include those that have no need of oxygen or hydrogen, he said.

01:54:28.000 Just as God created multiple forms of life on Earth, he said, there may be diverse forms throughout the universe.

01:54:34.000 That makes sense.

01:54:35.000 That's an open-minded religious person.

01:54:36.000 It's not in contrast with faith because we cannot place limits on the creative freedom of God.

01:54:42.000 That makes sense.

01:54:43.000 Yeah.

01:54:43.000 If you're going to be logical and be a believer in God, that's the way to do it, right?

01:54:49.000 To say, look, if God exists, we just might be too limited in our understanding of the world to think that we think that God just made us and this is it.

01:54:59.000 But it might be God has made life all throughout the universe.

01:55:01.000 Yeah.

01:55:02.000 If you believe in God, you have to accept the fact that he's on other planets.

01:55:07.000 We're not the exclusivity.

01:55:08.000 Maybe God is the universe.

01:55:10.000 Well, that's what they've been saying.

01:55:12.000 God is the universe.

01:55:13.000 The universe is God.

01:55:14.000 Which makes sense because the universe is a creative force.

01:55:16.000 It makes things constantly.

01:55:18.000 It's constantly making stars.

01:55:19.000 There's stellar nurseries and planets.

01:55:22.000 So what's your take on Bigfoot these days?

01:55:25.000 I think Bigfoot is mostly nonsense.

01:55:27.000 That is sort of a historical memory.

01:55:32.000 I think...

01:55:33.000 For sure we know that Gigantopithecus was a real animal that coexisted with human beings.

01:55:39.000 And we know that...

01:55:40.000 What's the date of Gigantopithecus?

01:55:44.000 It's somewhere...

01:55:45.000 It's more than hundreds of thousands of years, right?

01:55:47.000 But it just makes sense that if human beings have been around for that long and that thing's been around for that long and then...

01:55:54.000 Gigantopithecus?

01:55:55.000 200,000 years ago.

01:55:56.000 2 million to approximately 300,000 to 200,000 years ago.

01:56:00.000 So...

01:56:00.000 As recently as possibly 200,000 years ago, but that's essentially based on what they found.

01:56:05.000 Now, they're constantly finding new things, right?

01:56:08.000 So, like, they didn't even know Denisovans were a thing, which is a new type of human.

01:56:13.000 Is that the gigantic ones?

01:56:15.000 No, no, they're not gigantic.

01:56:17.000 They're just a different, like, there was Neanderthal, Homo sapiens.

01:56:20.000 Denisovan was another branch of the human tree. 0.95

01:56:24.000 And they didn't discover them, I want to say 2010. When did they discover Denisovans?

01:56:31.000 That recent.

01:56:31.000 I think they discovered them in Russia.

01:56:33.000 And they found them in China.

01:56:34.000 And so they know that there's that.

01:56:37.000 And then there was another species that they found recently that's even more recent.

01:56:41.000 That's large-headed people that were – they had larger heads than us that existed with us.

01:56:48.000 They had like big fucking eyebrows and big heads.

01:56:51.000 What about the – they're what?

01:56:54.000 17 feet tall, 16 feet tall.

01:56:57.000 What's that?

01:56:58.000 Gigantic humans.

01:57:01.000 You know, I don't know.

01:57:02.000 What's that?

01:57:02.000 Here's the problem.

01:57:03.000 Here's the problem.

01:57:04.000 You don't know what is real.

01:57:06.000 When was Denisovans?

01:57:09.000 When did they discover that?

01:57:11.000 Well, they lived, I think, 75,000 years ago.

01:57:15.000 Right.

01:57:15.000 How tall would they differentiate?

01:57:16.000 They were like Neanderthals. 0.99

01:57:18.000 When did they discover Denisovan fossils?

01:57:20.000 That's what I'm trying to figure out.

01:57:21.000 It's one piece they found.

01:57:22.000 Right.

01:57:23.000 But it was pretty recent 2014 Yeah.

01:57:28.000 You're right.

01:57:29.000 There's a lot of shit that's coming on the internet.

01:57:31.000 The last thing that I was reading, and not last, but one of the things that I read was they found bones of people that were like...

01:57:38.000 Giant people.

01:57:39.000 Giant people.

01:57:40.000 Yeah, I've heard that before.

01:57:41.000 I've never seen any of it.

01:57:42.000 I wouldn't dismiss it.

01:57:43.000 You know, there's giants in the Bible.

01:57:45.000 There's giants in historical record.

01:57:47.000 Goliath.

01:57:47.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:57:48.000 It's completely possible that if you have pygmies and you have, you know, you know about the hobbit people on the island of Flores. 1.00

01:57:56.000 No.

01:57:57.000 You didn't know about that?

01:57:58.000 No.

01:57:58.000 But they're Hobbit.

01:57:59.000 Yeah, I think they call them Homo Floresis.

01:58:04.000 And what these are is these little tiny ape-like humanoids that lived alongside people. 0.92

01:58:12.000 I think they've dated them to 100,000 years ago.

01:58:16.000 Might be earlier.

01:58:17.000 At one point in time, I think they thought it was 10,000 years ago, but I think they pushed it back.

01:58:21.000 But these were like another branch of the human tree.

01:58:25.000 And they were really tiny.

01:58:26.000 And they used tools and they hunted.

01:58:29.000 And they think that, you know, that they were probably wiped out, at least partially.

01:58:34.000 Yeah.

01:58:35.000 Nice tits. 1.00

01:58:36.000 Homo floresiensis.

01:58:38.000 Floresiensis.

01:58:39.000 And that's what they looked like.

01:58:40.000 And they lived alongside us.

01:58:43.000 So they think that might be a case of island dwarfism as well.

01:58:48.000 You know, like there's a thing that happens to mammals when they're on islands where they get smaller.

01:58:53.000 And weirdly enough, reptiles get larger.

01:58:58.000 That's why you have Komodo dragons.

01:59:00.000 Love them.

01:59:01.000 Pretty cool, right?

01:59:02.000 So there's Homo sapien and there's Homo floresis.

01:59:04.000 Monster lizards.

01:59:06.000 There's like a bunch of different types of humans that existed, and we were the most clever and the most vicious.

01:59:13.000 We went, haha.

01:59:15.000 Survival of the fittest.

01:59:16.000 Yeah, and the smartest.

01:59:17.000 We're the smartest.

01:59:18.000 We're the ones that are the most clever.

01:59:19.000 It's the calvarium, the size of the skull as it got bigger.

01:59:22.000 But the thing is, these ones that they found recently, see if you can find that article, the large-headed people that they found recently, another totally new branch.

01:59:30.000 They're large-headed, but the same height as...

01:59:33.000 Same height?

01:59:34.000 Same height as ours, but larger heads, probably much stronger.

01:59:37.000 Like, you know, Neanderthals, far stronger than us. 0.98

01:59:40.000 Yeah, dubbed large-headed people.

01:59:42.000 The Enigmatic group once lived alongside Homo sapiens in Eastern Asia.

01:59:46.000 According to Science Alert, fossilized remains unearthed from sediment layers dated over 200,000 years ago revealed individuals with disproportionately large cranial volumes.

01:59:57.000 So click on that where they have images.

01:59:59.000 December 2024. Yeah, real recent.

02:00:02.000 Real recent they found this.

02:00:04.000 Or they've come out with this.

02:00:06.000 I think they had images of what they look like.

02:00:08.000 What they think they look like.

02:00:10.000 Like someone did like a detailed...

02:00:12.000 Oh, large-headed people.

02:00:12.000 You get regular folks.

02:00:17.000 Here's regular folks.

02:00:19.000 Unfortunately, big heads.

02:00:21.000 I got hit.

02:00:22.000 Yeah, homo juliesis. 1.00

02:00:24.000 Yeah.

02:00:28.000 So this is another branch.

02:00:29.000 Look at the size of that fucker. 1.00

02:00:33.000 Jacked.

02:00:33.000 New humans.

02:00:34.000 Yeah.

02:00:35.000 Wild.

02:00:36.000 Big heads.

02:00:37.000 Larger heads and bigger brains.

02:00:39.000 There you go.

02:00:39.000 Bigger brains than us.

02:00:40.000 Lived 200,000 years ago.

02:00:41.000 It's funny because we have them with a stupid stone tool.

02:00:45.000 Maybe they were smart.

02:00:46.000 Maybe we just fucking wiped them out.

02:00:49.000 Look at the size of their heads, though.

02:00:50.000 Jesus Christ.

02:00:52.000 Crazy.

02:00:53.000 Look at that one there.

02:00:53.000 He's got a six-pack.

02:00:54.000 Yeah.

02:00:55.000 The guy's standing up.

02:00:56.000 Look at the one down where he's walking like Bigfoot.

02:00:57.000 Click on that.

02:00:58.000 Yeah.

02:00:59.000 This guy's jacked.

02:01:01.000 Imagine running into that?

02:01:02.000 Look at his fucking head.

02:01:05.000 Imagine running into that dude?

02:01:07.000 No.

02:01:08.000 He's dead.

02:01:10.000 That's probably why.

02:01:11.000 Look at him standing there.

02:01:12.000 This is where AI photos are helping.

02:01:15.000 AI is awesome.

02:01:17.000 Look at that.

02:01:18.000 Make that bigger.

02:01:21.000 Look how fucking cool they looked.

02:01:23.000 Bro, could you imagine?

02:01:25.000 Walking through the jungle and running into these dudes, like a bunch of them.

02:01:29.000 Yo! 1.00

02:01:31.000 What do you want?

02:01:33.000 Imagine.

02:01:35.000 There is so much more to be found.

02:01:38.000 Well, just in our own history, right?

02:01:40.000 The history of Earth.

02:01:41.000 The different forms of life that don't exist anymore.

02:01:45.000 And, you know, there's so much variety that it really does make you wonder, like, what are we seeing?

02:01:50.000 We're seeing these alien bones that they're x-raying.

02:01:53.000 What are we seeing when, you know, people report that they're experiencing contact with these entities?

02:01:58.000 Are they from another dimension?

02:02:00.000 Are they from another planet?

02:02:01.000 Is everybody crazy?

02:02:03.000 Is everybody just making things up?

02:02:05.000 I don't know.

02:02:06.000 How do you account for all the people that said, I've been taken?

02:02:10.000 Yeah, it's very compelling.

02:02:11.000 I've been taken.

02:02:12.000 It's very compelling, but here's the question.

02:02:14.000 Were they physically taken?

02:02:15.000 Here's the question.

02:02:16.000 The realm of dreams is a gigantic mystery, and the realm of dreams is hyper-realistic sometimes.

02:02:23.000 I had a hyper-realistic dream last night.

02:02:25.000 I wish I could remember what it was, but it's one of those things.

02:02:28.000 It was crazy.

02:02:30.000 But I got up in the middle of the night, woke me up, and then I got up to pee, and I was like, what the fuck is wrong with me?

02:02:35.000 And then I went back to sleep.

02:02:36.000 But while I was experiencing that dream, I remember being aware that it was a dream eventually, but while it was all going down, I was like, this is a crazy dream.

02:02:48.000 Like, thinking, like, this is so vivid and so realistic.

02:02:52.000 If you live in a dream for the rest of your life, you are still alive and you are still experiencing things.

02:02:59.000 You're just experiencing things in a non-physical way, the way we interact with reality today.

02:03:05.000 So you and I are interacting with reality with a couple glasses of whiskey, a cigar, we have a wooden table, we're talking into microphones.

02:03:12.000 But the reality that you interact with in dreams is...

02:03:17.000 It's not tangible.

02:03:19.000 It's existing, you're experiencing it, but it's in some other realm.

02:03:23.000 It's some realm of the mind and some realm of consciousness.

02:03:27.000 And maybe what you're doing is accessing a dimension of possibilities that is entirely created by consciousness.

02:03:35.000 And maybe there's multiple layers to that and things can come from other places to us that way.

02:03:44.000 It's always been interesting to me that these people that have these abduction experiences, it seems like the vast majority, and I've read Abducted, which is John Mack's book, and I'm aware of the Betty and Barney Hill story, and this is Travis Walton, the guy who got abducted in Arizona.

02:04:03.000 That's the black and white couple? 0.98

02:04:04.000 No, no, Betty and Barney Hill are.

02:04:06.000 Betty and Barney Hill.

02:04:06.000 Actually, Angela Hill, who's the granddaughter of them, is a UFC fighter.

02:04:11.000 Oh, really?

02:04:11.000 Yeah.

02:04:12.000 She was on the podcast and didn't tell me that until after the podcast was over.

02:04:16.000 I'm like, damn!

02:04:17.000 Was your grandfather?

02:04:18.000 That's so crazy.

02:04:19.000 Her grandfather was Barney Hill.

02:04:21.000 So these people all have very compelling stories.

02:04:25.000 Now, the difference between Travis Walton's story and the other stories is people saw Travis Walton go up to that UFO. Travis Walton disappeared for five days.

02:04:35.000 Travis Walton came back from being in the woods for five days with this crazy story.

02:04:40.000 And the other people, most of them, it happens at night, right?

02:04:44.000 And so when you're dreaming...

02:04:46.000 Who knows what the fuck is really happening?

02:04:49.000 And if you're lying in bed and you get abducted by aliens and they return you to your bed, what really happened?

02:04:56.000 Is there a video of you disappearing?

02:04:57.000 Or if we had a video in that room, would you have this same experience but your physical body never goes anywhere?

02:05:04.000 What are you really experiencing?

02:05:06.000 That's the question.

02:05:07.000 And I'm not doubting that these people have something happen to them.

02:05:11.000 But we do know that when people are dreaming, there's an endogenous release of psychedelic chemicals.

02:05:17.000 There's this crazy experience of dreams and of vivid dreams and lucid dreams.

02:05:23.000 So what is that?

02:05:24.000 And if that is something that can be traversed, is that something that someone can enter into?

02:05:32.000 Is it possible that other intelligence that's different than ours, that's more advanced than ours, that lives in a different dimension than ours, has access to the mind in these exchanges?

02:05:44.000 Yeah, in the subconscious space.

02:05:46.000 Yeah, and maybe even physically.

02:05:47.000 I'm not even dismissing physical contact, but I'm just saying that many of these cases where people claim to have been abducted happen at night.

02:05:56.000 I don't think that is a coincidence.

02:05:59.000 I think the realm of consciousness is, I think we're very arrogant in our belief that we understand what's going on with how we interface with reality.

02:06:09.000 No, we don't.

02:06:10.000 We know we have things that we count on because every time I come here, I'm pretty sure the same garbage is going to be on this table.

02:06:16.000 It's going to be the same.

02:06:17.000 But I don't think we're really sure with how consciousness interacts with the world and how much of it is real.

02:06:23.000 I agree.

02:06:25.000 In the subconscious space, you know, the question is, is that when the extraterrestrials invades our space, our psychiatric space, and therefore gives to us in our brain the perception of everything that we perceive, meaning the alien, the...

02:06:49.000 Maybe even Bigfoot.

02:06:51.000 Whatever.

02:06:51.000 Everything.

02:06:52.000 But maybe that's what Bigfoot is, right?

02:06:55.000 You think so?

02:06:56.000 Maybe.

02:06:57.000 Maybe it's something you're experiencing that's from somewhere else.

02:07:02.000 Maybe it's your consciousness.

02:07:05.000 Interacting with reality in a completely alien environment that is guaranteed to give you a heightened sense of anxiety.

02:07:11.000 The woods at night, right?

02:07:13.000 A lot of these people are experiencing these things in the woods at night.

02:07:16.000 Maybe there's a level of consciousness you reach under those circumstances where you interact with things that you ordinarily cannot interact with.

02:07:24.000 And maybe that's why there's a lack of physical evidence in our dimension.

02:07:30.000 Like, the physical evidence in our dimension is very limited.

02:07:33.000 One thing that's compelling, and maybe the only thing that's compelling, is dermal ridges that they find on these footprints.

02:07:39.000 So they find these footprints in muck, like where they step in mud and muck and stuff, and they leave behind not just footprints, but footprints with dermal ridges like fingerprints, which is very difficult to fake, especially in like the 1970s and the 1980s where some of these things were acquired.

02:07:56.000 So it's like, I don't know what we're dealing with, but there's enough people that talk about that experience and it makes you...

02:08:02.000 Pause.

02:08:03.000 I don't believe, but I don't disbelieve.

02:08:08.000 Bigfoot being an actual large ape that lives undisturbed in the Pacific Northwest, I'm very skeptical because there's too many hunters now and too many people with cameras and too many camera traps.

02:08:20.000 There's too many cell phone cameras where trail cameras snap things that are going by.

02:08:26.000 Wildlife biologists use them.

02:08:27.000 We know of a couple of jaguars that exist in the United States.

02:08:31.000 And the reason why we know about them is because of trail cameras.

02:08:33.000 So the fact that there's zero trail camera footage that's...

02:08:38.000 Yeah.

02:08:39.000 The Bigfoot thing is like maybe.

02:08:41.000 But maybe you're interacting with something that's not physical.

02:08:46.000 It might be something that's interdimensional or something that you might be looking at the past.

02:08:52.000 You might be interacting with whatever experience this thing has had many, many, many, many years ago.

02:09:02.000 It's like left echoes.

02:09:05.000 It might be echoes in space.

02:09:07.000 It echoes in time.

02:09:09.000 And that under certain states, you can briefly access these echoes.

02:09:13.000 Briefly access these things that may have existed or might exist in other dimensions.

02:09:22.000 I'm not ruling it out.

02:09:23.000 I wouldn't bet the house on it.

02:09:25.000 I wouldn't bet the house on it.

02:09:27.000 I do think there's a lot of bullshit artists, too, though.

02:09:30.000 I've talked to a lot of bullshit artists.

02:09:31.000 Bigfoot people that are bullshit artists.

02:09:32.000 The balance that obviously you're talking about is the fact that there are so many people who are trying to present the factual evidence that it exists that causes you to doubt it.

02:09:47.000 So, you know, I believe that there's a possibility of all the things that we talked about from Bigfoot to aliens and so forth.

02:09:56.000 But there's a tempered perception of it as being reality, that it might be there, but we would rather deny it as opposed to accept it.

02:10:07.000 Because what happens if you accept it as 100% truth?

02:10:11.000 What is the mindset on it?

02:10:13.000 Well, you can't accept it as 100% truth unless you have 100% evidence.

02:10:17.000 Yeah, you want to have physical evidence, but we don't have it.

02:10:21.000 You know who believes in him?

02:10:22.000 Pardon?

02:10:23.000 You know who really believes in Bigfoot?

02:10:24.000 No.

02:10:25.000 Jane Goodall.

02:10:26.000 Oh, okay.

02:10:27.000 Which is a gorilla lady. 1.00

02:10:28.000 She ever heard her talk about it?

02:10:30.000 No.

02:10:30.000 Why does she believe in it?

02:10:31.000 She believes from all the eyewitness sightings and the possibility and, you know, her time living with primates.

02:10:38.000 Right.

02:10:38.000 See if you can find Jane Goodall talking about it.

02:10:40.000 Because when she talks about it, she talks about it with great enthusiasm.

02:10:43.000 It's really interesting.

02:10:45.000 Enthusiasm with facts to back it up?

02:10:48.000 Or just the large number of people who have stated that they've seen it or experienced it?

02:10:55.000 I don't know.

02:10:56.000 One thing, though, is when she was saying this was quite a while ago, more than a decade or two ago.

02:11:01.000 And I think that over time, when there's still no evidence, people get more and more skeptical.

02:11:07.000 I've talked to a bunch of people that have had Bigfoot experiences.

02:11:10.000 I don't necessarily believe any of them.

02:11:13.000 I don't disbelieve them, but I was like, there's not one story.

02:11:16.000 I've talked to UFO abduction people, and I believe them.

02:11:19.000 I believe them.

02:11:20.000 You believe them?

02:11:20.000 Yeah, I believe Travis Walton.

02:11:22.000 I talked to that guy.

02:11:22.000 He does not seem like a bullshit artist and he hasn't changed his story in like fucking 30 years.

02:11:29.000 Everybody talks to me about it.

02:11:31.000 I'm romantic.

02:11:32.000 I would like Bigfoot to exist.

02:11:34.000 I've met people who swear they've seen Bigfoot.

02:11:37.000 And I think the interesting thing is every single continent.

02:11:42.000 There is an equivalent of Bigfoot or Sasquatch.

02:11:45.000 There's the Yeti, there's the Yari in Australia, there's the Chinese wild man, and on and on and on.

02:11:52.000 And, you know, I've had stories from people who you have to believe them.

02:11:59.000 So there's something.

02:12:01.000 I don't know what it is.

02:12:02.000 I'm always open-minded.

02:12:04.000 What about supposedly mythological, I guess I should say, like the Loch Ness Monster?

02:12:11.000 Loch Ness Monster obviously doesn't exist.

02:12:15.000 Alien beings.

02:12:16.000 I don't.

02:12:18.000 I think that it doesn't make sense to think we're the only intelligent form of life.

02:12:24.000 This wall that was built between us, we're just the only really intelligent, capable of this, that and the other.

02:12:31.000 Differencing kind between us and the other animals, that wall is broken down.

02:12:35.000 And the chimps help to break it down.

02:12:38.000 The chimps.

02:12:40.000 Help to break it down.

02:12:41.000 Well, her experience with chimps, you know, she's been embedded with chimps.

02:12:45.000 Yeah.

02:12:47.000 I definitely don't not believe, like I said, don't disbelieve.

02:12:52.000 It's not like you say aliens aren't real.

02:12:53.000 UFOs aren't real.

02:12:54.000 It's all lies.

02:12:55.000 All the people are lying.

02:12:56.000 I don't think that at all.

02:12:57.000 I think reality is weird.

02:13:01.000 I think it's weirder than our senses are capable of detecting.

02:13:04.000 That's what I think.

02:13:05.000 Absolutely.

02:13:06.000 I tend to be more on the side that They exist until you prove that they don't exist.

02:13:12.000 You know what's really weird is underwater aliens.

02:13:15.000 Underwater extraterrestrials or underwater UAPs.

02:13:19.000 I don't know about cities.

02:13:20.000 Are cities under there?

02:13:21.000 Yeah, cities where they have their spaceships at the trenches, in the trenches.

02:13:27.000 I've never seen any data.

02:13:29.000 But I have seen video.

02:13:30.000 See, that's the point.

02:13:31.000 There's video of things moving underwater at very high rates of speed.

02:13:38.000 Some of the whistleblowers, and again, how much that's real, but some of the whistleblowers from the government have claimed that they have detected things underwater that are enormous, like the size of a football field, and they're moving 500 knots underwater with no visible means of propulsion.

02:13:55.000 Correct.

02:13:56.000 They think that this is where they hide in plain sight.

02:13:59.000 They just exist in the water.

02:14:00.000 So those videos that have come out recently of the Navy aviators who have chased UFOs that have gone into the water and they've seen these large reflections under the water of huge spaceships and so forth.

02:14:16.000 I haven't heard any of that.

02:14:17.000 I've heard there was the Commander David Fravor, the Tic Tac.

02:14:23.000 Where there was this thing that was like 20 foot wide.

02:14:26.000 It looked like a tic-tac.

02:14:27.000 And they think there was something under it in the water.

02:14:31.000 There was a disturbance that looked like an underwater submarine that's emerging or reaching the top of the surface.

02:14:37.000 And then when they were flying near it, it went down.

02:14:40.000 And then there's been other people, other pilots, that have actually seen large physical crafts in the water.

02:14:47.000 But again, I've never seen any photos that are compelling.

02:14:51.000 So the chasing of the UAP? That's fascinating.

02:14:55.000 Yeah.

02:14:56.000 Is that real or is that figment?

02:14:57.000 Well, that wasn't chased.

02:14:59.000 What they call those – what do they call them?

02:15:03.000 Extra medium and intermedium.

02:15:06.000 Transmedium.

02:15:06.000 They call them transmedium crafts, which means they can fly in the air and they can fly through the water.

02:15:11.000 They have seen things dunk into the water.

02:15:14.000 They have video of one, but it's very grainy.

02:15:16.000 It's very grainy night vision, thermal vision of this thing dunking into the water, and then they don't know what happened.

02:15:23.000 Then it came out of the water.

02:15:24.000 It was flying around again.

02:15:25.000 They don't know what the fuck that is.

02:15:27.000 They're just guessing.

02:15:28.000 And looking at the physics of it, the fact that it was able to do 90 degree...

02:15:33.000 Change in motion.

02:15:34.000 Oh, yeah.

02:15:35.000 And then down into the water and then coming up.

02:15:38.000 How do you account for that?

02:15:39.000 You don't...

02:15:40.000 The really crazy one is the Tic Tac because the Tic Tac, they have a bunch of different types of data.

02:15:46.000 They have, first of all, the pilots who saw it.

02:15:48.000 They have the video from the pilots' cabins.

02:15:51.000 They have this radar footage that tracked this thing going from above 50,000 miles to 50 feet in like one second.

02:16:00.000 They don't know how the fuck anything could do that.

02:16:02.000 And then it takes off when they video it, this thing taking off from their visual, from their recording, their screens.

02:16:09.000 It takes off at such an insane rate of speed, they said anything biological would just be turned to jelly instantly.

02:16:14.000 Killed because of the momentum.

02:16:16.000 The g-force would just be insane.

02:16:17.000 It's just insane rates of speed.

02:16:19.000 And no visible means of propulsion.

02:16:21.000 It does it from a completely stationary perspective, and then boom, it just takes off.

02:16:26.000 Yeah, they've talked about dimensional, the fact that those...

02:16:33.000 Unidentified flying objects, they go into a different dementia.

02:16:38.000 Maybe a different dementia, too.

02:16:40.000 Yeah, dementia.

02:16:41.000 They're in a state of dementia.

02:16:42.000 This is the one that goes in the water.

02:16:44.000 So look how grainy this is.

02:16:45.000 It's like, what am I looking at?

02:16:46.000 So the fact that it's grainy means what?

02:16:48.000 Well, they're just looking at it from a long distance with aircraft optics.

02:16:55.000 These are weapon optics, right?

02:16:57.000 So graininess means it's less...

02:16:59.000 Well, it's dark out.

02:17:00.000 Well, it's dark out.

02:17:01.000 And this is how they're seeing this thing.

02:17:03.000 And then it just goes into the water.

02:17:04.000 And if you hear it, you hear the recording.

02:17:07.000 You hear the recording, Jimmy?

02:17:08.000 Yeah.

02:17:09.000 Listen to them freak out.

02:17:10.000 Yeah, they're freaking.

02:17:13.000 Right into the water.

02:17:15.000 So the thing went into the water.

02:17:17.000 Yes.

02:17:17.000 And then also went out of the water.

02:17:19.000 Yeah.

02:17:20.000 But the thing is, how many of these things are ours?

02:17:25.000 Not zero.

02:17:27.000 Have you ever seen that underwater drone that the United States has developed?

02:17:31.000 No.

02:17:31.000 Fucking cool.

02:17:32.000 It looks like a UFO. It looks like a UFO that flies underwater.

02:17:35.000 It goes underwater.

02:17:37.000 I don't think it goes above the water.

02:17:39.000 I think it only goes underwater, but it looks like a spaceship.

02:17:43.000 With the rate of acceleration and the ability to change direction, those are things that are in the reality, in the real world, the physics behind it.

02:17:55.000 As you said, everyone, if it went in that rate of ascent or descent and movement, it would kill everybody inside.

02:18:04.000 Right.

02:18:05.000 Momentum.

02:18:05.000 But then the question is, like, what is it doing?

02:18:08.000 Is it actually experiencing g-force at all?

02:18:11.000 Because if it's some sort of a gravity propulsion device, it might be experiencing no g-force.

02:18:16.000 Right.

02:18:16.000 And it might be just pushing space out of the way as it moves forward.

02:18:20.000 We don't understand.

02:18:21.000 That's like...

02:18:23.000 Do we have that technology?

02:18:24.000 It's a good question.

02:18:25.000 Yeah.

02:18:25.000 It's a good question.

02:18:26.000 If we have that technology, then it explains it all.

02:18:29.000 But the question is, as long as we don't acknowledge the fact that we're at that level of technology, then you have to account for, where's it coming from?

02:18:37.000 Right.

02:18:38.000 There's definitely a lot of questions.

02:18:39.000 I mean, I definitely don't claim to have any answers.

02:18:41.000 What is this one?

02:18:43.000 But it's cool.

02:18:45.000 Oh, yeah.

02:18:45.000 Look at this sucker.

02:18:46.000 Look at this.

02:18:47.000 This is the one that goes...

02:18:48.000 This is a drone that we developed.

02:18:50.000 It's like a manta ray drone.

02:18:52.000 It's really cool looking.

02:18:54.000 Well, it's not so mini.

02:18:55.000 It's pretty big.

02:18:56.000 Is it?

02:18:57.000 But look at it.

02:18:58.000 It looks like a fucking UFO that goes under the water.

02:19:01.000 And it flies through the water.

02:19:02.000 And also, like, what are we looking for?

02:19:05.000 Are we looking for foreign subs or are we looking for aliens?

02:19:10.000 Both.

02:19:10.000 I wonder.

02:19:14.000 Imagine if they knew some stuff was under the ocean and they don't want to tell anybody because they don't want to freak people out.

02:19:20.000 Duh.

02:19:21.000 Yeah.

02:19:21.000 Duh.

02:19:22.000 Yeah.

02:19:23.000 I've seen articles where it talks about cities, communities underneath the ocean in the San Andreas, not San Andreas Fault, what is that fault line called?

02:19:31.000 Not the fault, the...

02:19:34.000 Outside of California?

02:19:35.000 No, no, no.

02:19:36.000 The deepest trenches.

02:19:37.000 Mariana Trench?

02:19:38.000 Mariana Trench, yeah.

02:19:39.000 Are there cities down there?

02:19:41.000 What website are you reading?

02:19:43.000 I think I know what his algorithms are.

02:19:44.000 You know what I'm talking about?

02:19:47.000 And I'm not losing psilocybin or ibogaine or ayahuasca.

02:19:51.000 Just normal.

02:19:52.000 I haven't heard anything about cities in the Mariana Trench.

02:19:56.000 Jamie, have you heard anything about cities?

02:19:57.000 Yeah, look it up.

02:19:58.000 I know where I'm headed.

02:20:00.000 I know where I'm headed.

02:20:02.000 I haven't smoked anything or taken any pills.

02:20:05.000 You've been drinking whiskey since...

02:20:06.000 That's nothing.

02:20:07.000 Come on.

02:20:08.000 Quite a bit of that whiskey, sir.

02:20:10.000 Nothing.

02:20:11.000 That's a lot.

02:20:12.000 Glutathione?

02:20:12.000 Yeah, I don't know if it totally helps.

02:20:14.000 You sound a little hammered.

02:20:15.000 You think?

02:20:16.000 Yeah, give me another one of glutathions.

02:20:18.000 You need another one?

02:20:19.000 Okay.

02:20:19.000 How many you got?

02:20:20.000 Yeah, I got plenty.

02:20:20.000 How many did you take while you're drinking?

02:20:21.000 I took two.

02:20:22.000 I took one early this morning and then just took another one because I figured we'd finish the bottle.

02:20:26.000 Jesus, you with the finishing the bottle.

02:20:28.000 Absolutely.

02:20:28.000 You're going to die from that.

02:20:30.000 No.

02:20:30.000 Nick, who's sitting outside, he and I sit down and we'll drink a bottle.

02:20:35.000 Yeah.

02:20:35.000 You know, over a period of about four hours.

02:20:37.000 You might want to go to a...

02:20:38.000 AA meaning.

02:20:39.000 You think?

02:20:42.000 Been there.

02:20:43.000 What is the Mariana Trench Cities all about?

02:20:46.000 No, it's not the Mariana.

02:20:48.000 It's one of the trenches that are out there in the world.

02:20:52.000 Just Google Trench Underwater UFO City.

02:20:56.000 That's a good one.

02:20:57.000 You're going to go right to Reddit.

02:20:58.000 You know what?

02:21:00.000 We've been on this discussion about bears and Mariana Trench and UFOs and abductions and so forth.

02:21:09.000 Fun stuff.

02:21:09.000 Yeah.

02:21:11.000 It reminds me of 438 where we were talking about every fucking thing.

02:21:15.000 I mean, you blew me out of the water with that.

02:21:17.000 I'll tell you the truth.

02:21:18.000 We were there for three and a half hours on the first one.

02:21:21.000 And when I left the studio, because I thought it was in Woodland Hills, I thought it was only supposed to be like...

02:21:27.000 30 minutes or so.

02:21:28.000 Oh, yeah.

02:21:28.000 Yeah.

02:21:29.000 But I left and I sat in my car for an hour to recuperate from that first visit with you.

02:21:37.000 It was just way beyond that.

02:21:40.000 Yeah.

02:21:41.000 Yeah.

02:21:41.000 If there really are things that are monitoring us and checking us out, it makes sense.

02:21:46.000 Yeah.

02:21:47.000 If life exists and it's more advanced than us somewhere else, whether it's in another dimension or whether it's on another planet.

02:21:53.000 It completely makes sense to me that they would visit us.

02:21:55.000 Yeah.

02:21:56.000 They want to see how fucked up we are in terms of nuclear weapons.

02:21:59.000 Sure.

02:22:01.000 And if we're on a path, a predictable path of evolution that almost all intelligent life goes on, there's probably going to be pitfalls that they could help us navigate.

02:22:11.000 I would think so.

02:22:12.000 I would hope so.

02:22:13.000 Jane Goodall studying the chimps.

02:22:15.000 Let's imagine they're still studying the chimps 500 years from now, 1,000 years from now, 100,000 years from now.

02:22:20.000 Let's imagine civilization still exists, chimps still exist. 1.00

02:22:22.000 We've protected it.

02:22:23.000 We've done a smart thing.

02:22:25.000 What if they start making tools?

02:22:27.000 What if they start making weapons?

02:22:28.000 What if they eventually start going to war with each other?

02:22:31.000 What if one chimp figures out gunpowder? 1.00

02:22:33.000 What if their brains keep growing like ours allegedly did?

02:22:37.000 Sounds like us.

02:22:39.000 Imagine if we're observing emerging intelligence in other primates other than us.

02:22:46.000 How would we handle it?

02:22:47.000 How would we handle it if all of a sudden chimpanzees...

02:22:50.000 Not all of a sudden, but hundreds of thousands of years now.

02:22:53.000 What would our future society do if, in the future, chimpanzees start developing weapons and buildings and planes and doing all the shit that we do when we're far more advanced than that then? 0.98

02:23:05.000 Is that Planet of the Apes?

02:23:06.000 Well, it's not because, like, you would think that they would become a different thing.

02:23:10.000 You know, they would become like we did, right?

02:23:12.000 Like we used to be Australopithecus.

02:23:14.000 We used to be all these different hominids. 0.52

02:23:16.000 What if they eventually become like more hairless?

02:23:19.000 They start wearing clothes.

02:23:20.000 It would be fucking real interesting to see how human beings would handle that.

02:23:25.000 You know, like what would we do a million years from now if hominids kept advancing down an evolutionary plane and they eventually got to a place where they were like ancient humans? 0.99

02:23:39.000 How would we do?

02:23:40.000 I mean, if we were, like, super advanced, like, oh, you guys can't go to war.

02:23:43.000 Don't war.

02:23:43.000 We stopped war a while ago.

02:23:45.000 You guys need brain chips.

02:23:47.000 Brain chips stop the war.

02:23:49.000 Yeah.

02:23:51.000 Interesting.

02:23:52.000 Interesting.

02:23:53.000 Well, I mean, it is interesting because, like, what's different between us and any other people that have ever lived is that we've figured out a way to optimize your health in a very substantial way.

02:24:04.000 In the past, someone who was my age, I'm 57. Someone who was my age, your body's probably broken. 0.84

02:24:10.000 Your body is probably beaten down.

02:24:13.000 Your hormones are dead.

02:24:14.000 You're probably real tired all the time.

02:24:17.000 And I'm not.

02:24:18.000 And because of vitamins and hormones and all the different things that I do to keep my body healthy and exercise.

02:24:25.000 We're living in a different time.

02:24:27.000 And because of that, you stay vital.

02:24:29.000 You have vitality much longer than anyone ever did before.

02:24:33.000 So you can explore things and you have more curiosity and energy for thought more than anybody ever has before.

02:24:42.000 Yeah.

02:24:44.000 Wow.

02:24:46.000 You all right?

02:24:46.000 Yeah.

02:24:47.000 You do CPR? Nope.

02:24:50.000 Good.

02:24:52.000 He does it?

02:24:55.000 Jamie practices every night with different dudes.

02:24:57.000 He does, yeah, I can imagine.

02:25:00.000 Now, one of the greatest fallacies is that as we age, we don't need to do anything to reinvigorate our body.

02:25:09.000 Supplements are very important.

02:25:10.000 Hormones are key.

02:25:13.000 Exercise.

02:25:15.000 Important because of, as I said about the brain-derived neurotrophic factor, you can increase it to improve brain.

02:25:21.000 This guy out of USC, Caleb Finch, who talked about, he believed that the reason for why we age and we die is because we lose our hormones in our brain.

02:25:35.000 And therefore, extremely important.

02:25:37.000 Where's Scotch?

02:25:39.000 Yeah, there it is.

02:25:41.000 That's what you need, more of that.

02:25:43.000 No, I need to clear the throat.

02:25:44.000 Yeah, look at that.

02:25:45.000 I got my voice back.

02:25:49.000 As you said, you're 57 years of age.

02:25:51.000 I'm 72 years of age.

02:25:53.000 And I think the reason why I'm at 72 with the level of clarity and functionality, aside from my back, is the fact that I've always, 30 years, I've been a hormone replacement, nutraceuticals, getting in good vitamins, so forth, because our body loses it over the course of time.

02:26:11.000 And you need to keep replacing it.

02:26:13.000 And the people who are listening to this might understand that you need to supplement.

02:26:19.000 You need to be proactive on your quality of health, otherwise you start losing it.

02:26:23.000 And exercise, not just for that, but also just to maintain your physical presence, your strength, your bone density.

02:26:29.000 You know, at my age, people say, I still have my pecs, I still have my, you know, trimness and fitness.

02:26:36.000 I don't know about...

02:26:38.000 General energy.

02:26:39.000 Do you still do martial arts anymore?

02:26:40.000 No, I stopped doing the martial arts.

02:26:42.000 What I do in place of martial arts is I dig holes.

02:26:45.000 Yeah, we talked about that before.

02:26:46.000 And put plants in.

02:26:48.000 Not the other holes.

02:26:49.000 Digging holes is hard work.

02:26:50.000 Yeah.

02:26:51.000 I remember one time you sent me an email that said, be careful because I was using a big pike to cut holes in the ground. 1.00

02:26:59.000 But I end up with lemons and I make limoncello, pomegranates make pomegranates, wine, and so forth.

02:27:05.000 I'm sensing a trend here.

02:27:07.000 Yeah.

02:27:07.000 And I sent you some kumquats.

02:27:11.000 Did you ever get the kumquats?

02:27:12.000 I did.

02:27:12.000 Thank you.

02:27:13.000 Did you eat them?

02:27:13.000 Yes, I did.

02:27:14.000 Okay, yeah.

02:27:15.000 High in vitamin C. Kumquats are really good for you. 1.00

02:27:18.000 Awesome.

02:27:18.000 Much more high in vitamin C, apparently, than even oranges.

02:27:22.000 Oranges, right.

02:27:23.000 Every morning I have three of them.

02:27:24.000 That's great.

02:27:25.000 Three of them, and it's great.

02:27:26.000 Do you take liposomal vitamin C as well?

02:27:28.000 I take liposomal vitamin C. C, yeah.

02:27:35.000 Yeah, I take that stuff, too.

02:27:39.000 That's such a great thing, too, if you're sick, is high-dose intravenous vitamin C. It's a big one.

02:27:46.000 Yeah, IVs.

02:27:48.000 I had a skeptical friend of mine who dismisses all kinds of quackery.

02:27:52.000 He was real sick with the flu.

02:27:53.000 He couldn't get over it for weeks.

02:27:55.000 And I told him, listen, man, I'm going to hook you up.

02:27:58.000 Do this.

02:27:58.000 Get IV zinc and vitamin C and high-dose vitamin C and B12. And he was better immediately.

02:28:05.000 He said 24 hours later, he couldn't kick this fucking flu.

02:28:08.000 He said, I had it for two weeks.

02:28:10.000 In 23 years, I've been sick.

02:28:14.000 16 days.

02:28:15.000 That's amazing.

02:28:16.000 That's it.

02:28:18.000 I never got...

02:28:18.000 Well, let me be honest.

02:28:19.000 I got COVID for 12 hours.

02:28:23.000 12 hours?

02:28:24.000 12 hours.

02:28:25.000 Tested twice, positive for COVID. That was a Wednesday.

02:28:29.000 Let's see, it was a Wednesday.

02:28:30.000 I think we were having Yom Kippur.

02:28:32.000 No, we were having Pesach, Passover.

02:28:35.000 And I got sick that night.

02:28:37.000 And 24 hours later, no symptoms.

02:28:41.000 That's amazing.

02:28:42.000 Nothing.

02:28:43.000 Quercetin, zinc, a little ivermectin, you know.

02:28:47.000 That's crazy.

02:28:47.000 You shouldn't talk about that publicly.

02:28:49.000 No, I should not.

02:28:50.000 Yeah, ivermectin.

02:28:51.000 Horrible shit.

02:28:52.000 You can talk about it now.

02:28:53.000 Oh, good.

02:28:54.000 Now, you know, fucking people are taking it.

02:28:56.000 Yeah.

02:28:57.000 I think I sent you the ivermectin paper with ivermectin from Bendazol.

02:29:01.000 I have a 76-year-old veteran who was diagnosed with a Gleason 7. You know, Gleason is a grade of cancer, the prostate.

02:29:10.000 And it was a Gleason 7. He went on 12 milligrams of ivermectin every day for...

02:29:16.000 Eight weeks, and at 12 weeks, he got a PET scan done, a special PET scan done, looking at abnormalities in the prostate.

02:29:24.000 They couldn't find anything.

02:29:25.000 That's amazing.

02:29:26.000 And his PSA, Prostatic Specific Engine, when his initial one with the cancer was 12.6, he's now at 5.3.

02:29:35.000 Is that your phone?

02:29:36.000 I don't know.

02:29:38.000 What does this cell phone sound like?

02:29:40.000 Sounds like that.

02:29:41.000 It does?

02:29:42.000 What do you think about all the people that are very...

02:29:44.000 Yeah, you had a Samsung phone.

02:29:46.000 It's definitely yours.

02:29:47.000 Significant.

02:29:47.000 Is that a Google phone or a Samsung phone?

02:29:49.000 Google.

02:29:50.000 Google.

02:29:50.000 You like that?

02:29:50.000 Let me shut that.

02:29:51.000 Yeah, I like it.

02:29:52.000 They keep on trying to get me out of the first grade, first generation into the seventh, until it dies.

02:29:59.000 Oh, yeah?

02:29:59.000 I use it, yeah.

02:30:00.000 Ride or die, huh?

02:30:01.000 Yeah.

02:30:01.000 I don't like the software they put in there.

02:30:03.000 Google just gave me the new Pixel 9 XL Pro.

02:30:08.000 It looks sick.

02:30:08.000 And then they gave me the Pixel Fold.

02:30:10.000 It was like a gift when I went to the inauguration thing.

02:30:13.000 Yeah, it's pretty sick.

02:30:14.000 Oh, you were there?

02:30:15.000 Yeah, I wouldn't...

02:30:16.000 The Fold seems crazy.

02:30:17.000 I'm addicted enough to watching YouTube videos on a regular phone.

02:30:20.000 I don't need a fucking tablet that I take...

02:30:22.000 Have you seen what Huawei's made?

02:30:23.000 Oh.

02:30:24.000 Huawei, they're banned in America because they're too awesome.

02:30:27.000 And also they spy on you.

02:30:28.000 But Huawei has developed a three-fold.

02:30:32.000 And apparently Samsung's going to come out with one next year.

02:30:35.000 It's a three-fold, though.

02:30:36.000 It literally comes out to like a 10-inch tablet.

02:30:39.000 And it's very thin.

02:30:41.000 Look at this.

02:30:43.000 Look at that.

02:30:45.000 That's a three-fold.

02:30:46.000 That's the Huawei three-fold.

02:30:49.000 And super thin.

02:30:51.000 Amazing cameras.

02:30:52.000 They were so advanced.

02:30:54.000 I was trying to get a Porsche design.

02:30:57.000 Huawei phone.

02:30:58.000 They were working with, you know, Porsche Design makes a bunch of things.

02:31:01.000 They make like watches and sunglasses.

02:31:03.000 They don't just make cars.

02:31:05.000 Like Porsche Design is like a separate entity of Porsche.

02:31:08.000 And Porsche Design worked with Huawei to make like the ultimate cell phone.

02:31:11.000 And I was ready to buy it because I'm a dork.

02:31:14.000 You know, I'm really into technology.

02:31:15.000 And I was like, oh, that thing's crazy.

02:31:17.000 Let me get it.

02:31:18.000 And I think I had a 100 megapixel camera on the phone.

02:31:22.000 And this was a while ago.

02:31:23.000 And a 500 milliamp, 5,000 milliamp battery, which was also crazy.

02:31:27.000 But then they banned Huawei products in America.

02:31:30.000 So you can't get that trifold.

02:31:32.000 Backdoor right to the CCP. Yeah, allegedly.

02:31:34.000 But isn't TikTok too?

02:31:36.000 Yes.

02:31:37.000 There's a lot of backdoors.

02:31:39.000 There's a lot of data getting scooped up.

02:31:41.000 Yeah, my cybersecurity people keep on telling me don't use Zoom because it backdoors into the CCP. Oh, boy.

02:31:49.000 Yeah.

02:31:50.000 That's great.

02:31:50.000 So I haven't used it.

02:31:51.000 So I use Microsoft.

02:31:53.000 What the fuck can you use?

02:31:54.000 Yeah.

02:31:55.000 I don't trust anybody anymore.

02:31:56.000 No.

02:31:57.000 I'm scared.

02:31:57.000 I'm there with you.

02:31:58.000 Scared of all of it.

02:31:59.000 Yeah.

02:32:00.000 But I think it's all inevitable.

02:32:01.000 And I think if you look at what's going on, like in terms of like what's the direction that technological progress moves us into?

02:32:11.000 Well, it's the direction, it seems, of more and more connectivity, which means less and less privacy.

02:32:16.000 So we're going to have to work that out because when quantum computers can crack all encoding.

02:32:22.000 It's like any encryption that exists.

02:32:25.000 Quantum computing is going to crack all that.

02:32:26.000 So you're not going to have real encryption anymore.

02:32:28.000 So what happens with Bitcoin and digital currency?

02:32:31.000 What happens with all that stuff?

02:32:32.000 What happens with your bank account?

02:32:33.000 I don't know.

02:32:35.000 Weird times.

02:32:37.000 One of the things that scared me was in the Wi-Fi.

02:32:40.000 They now can go back and using AI, use the transmitted waveform to see who's in a room.

02:32:50.000 Yeah.

02:32:50.000 You saw that?

02:32:51.000 Yeah.

02:32:52.000 Accurate.

02:32:52.000 3D representations of the people moving around.

02:32:55.000 So I turned off all my Wi-Fi extenders.

02:32:58.000 It's also crazy.

02:32:59.000 It's just like we're living in an ultra-surveilled world.

02:33:02.000 world.

02:33:02.000 And I think the good news is that the new government is emphasizing privacy and freedom of speech.

02:33:09.000 And the other government was emphasizing cracking down on what they called misinformation and disinformation and more control of what you say and do and where you go.

02:33:18.000 And the way to get more control is more invasive technology.

02:33:20.000 And that's what scares the shit out of me.

02:33:22.000 Yeah.

02:33:22.000 Is people.

02:33:23.000 It's not necessarily the technology.

02:33:25.000 It's people taking advantage of the technology in order to have more control of the population, which makes their job easier.

02:33:32.000 Yeah.

02:33:33.000 That's the reason why.

02:33:35.000 I only use my cell phone when I travel.

02:33:38.000 Otherwise, I don't use it.

02:33:40.000 People call me and say, where are you?

02:33:41.000 I say, I don't use my cell phone.

02:33:43.000 Good for you.

02:33:43.000 Yeah, it's off all the time.

02:33:45.000 My friend Adam Curry, he's super paranoid.

02:33:49.000 Maybe not.

02:33:50.000 Maybe not paranoid.

02:33:51.000 Maybe super aware of digital surveillance and all that stuff.

02:33:55.000 So he has a de-Googled phone.

02:33:57.000 He has a phone that doesn't have Google on it.

02:34:01.000 What's that operating system that they use for that stuff?

02:34:04.000 Do you remember, Jamie?

02:34:05.000 Doesn't your friend Musk have a phone that's coming up?

02:34:08.000 No.

02:34:09.000 No, he doesn't.

02:34:09.000 I just asked him the other day.

02:34:10.000 He said no.

02:34:11.000 We were talking the other day at the inauguration.

02:34:14.000 I was saying, dude, every other day I get an article about a Tesla phone.

02:34:18.000 He was laughing.

02:34:18.000 He goes, I hope we don't have to make a phone.

02:34:20.000 That's what he said.

02:34:21.000 I hope we don't have to pick a phone.

02:34:22.000 It's very difficult to pick a phone.

02:34:23.000 But whoever's promoting it.

02:34:25.000 That's it.

02:34:25.000 Graphene OS. So graphene is de-googled phone.

02:34:29.000 So they take these pixels and they de-google them and they put this graphene OS, which is a completely different operating system.

02:34:39.000 And then you have another phone called the unplugged phone.

02:34:43.000 Pixel 7. Yeah.

02:34:45.000 That's it.

02:34:46.000 And so they use these things and they work just like a regular phone.

02:34:50.000 And you can get them where they don't have 5G because some people think 5G is bad for you?

02:34:53.000 No, I still work off a 3 and 4, and I don't update the software because updating the software gives them more access to you.

02:35:01.000 Dun, dun, dun.

02:35:03.000 I've got to go again.

02:35:05.000 Well, let's just wrap it up.

02:35:06.000 We're at 4 o'clock.

02:35:07.000 Mark Gordon, I love you to death.

02:35:09.000 You're an awesome guy.

02:35:09.000 I appreciate you very much.

02:35:11.000 Thank you, my friend.

02:35:11.000 It's always good to see you.

02:35:13.000 Thank you for all your research and all the work you do and spreading information and knowledge.

02:35:17.000 I really appreciate it.

02:35:18.000 I appreciate the fact that you've supported me over all these years in the work that we do with our veterans.

02:35:24.000 And they've been receiving the benefits of the work that we've done.

02:35:28.000 And, you know, stopping the suicide is the goal for the Millennium Health Centers.

02:35:33.000 That's it.

02:35:34.000 Yeah, and tell everybody the website so they can find it.

02:35:36.000 The educational one is www.tbihelpnow.org.

02:35:50.000 And then is Warrior Angel Foundation still?

02:35:54.000 Warrior Angel Foundation's there, but they've melded into...

02:35:59.000 Yeah.

02:36:00.000 Improve brain health by fixing the root causes.

02:36:02.000 Yeah.

02:36:03.000 This is Biohack Yourself, and I'll give a minute on it.

02:36:06.000 A family called Lolly Group, and if you were in Washington for the inauguration, the Biohack Group, which is the Lolly Group, which is Anthony and Teresa Lolly, they're the ones who put together Biohack Yourself, which has been picked up by Robert.

02:36:25.000 F. Kennedy Jr. as being their representative for media because he trusts them because all they want to do is get the science out there that's real, not the bullshit that's been thrown at us.

02:36:37.000 So they've been pulled in, and there were 32 of us, quote, experts is what they call us, who participated in this program.

02:36:45.000 So what they're doing is really cool because it's presenting the science behind what...

02:36:53.000 You've already experienced with us and what I continue to promote for brain health, for well-being, and longevity, anti-aging.

02:37:03.000 Beautiful.

02:37:03.000 Okay.

02:37:04.000 All right.

02:37:04.000 Thanks, sir.

02:37:05.000 Appreciate you.

02:37:05.000 Always appreciate it.

02:37:06.000 Thank you very much.

02:37:07.000 Thank you, my friend.

02:37:07.000 Always good to see you.

The Joe Rogan Experience - January 24, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

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