In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience, the comedian and podcaster talks about the loss of innocence in his own life and the impact it has had on his kids. He also talks about TikTok and why he thinks it's a good thing that kids these days have more advanced knowledge.
00:01:59.000You know, it's funny you say the age of innocence because I've always said that the two things that protect me in life were my Belgian shepherds, whom I love.
00:02:09.000And I saw, by the way, that you were talking recently about Belgian Malinois.
00:02:56.000I don't think you should think that way.
00:02:58.000I think they're human beings and you should want them to know things.
00:03:01.000It's just that we enjoy the position of being the person that has all the deep, dark knowledge of the world and dealing with this innocent child that wants to watch Dora the Explorer.
00:03:20.000There's something beautiful in watching a little person learn stuff about the world and shocking when they find out about, like, murders and danger and scary things.
00:03:32.000And then their realm of knowledge expands to, you know...
00:03:36.000What amazes me is seeing my children get a political awakening.
00:03:44.000He's 13. My daughter is 16. She wasn't as into it, but during the last US elections, maybe because of the TikTok stuff and so on, she sort of woke up to it, and she would come to me and say, you know, why do we like Trump?
00:03:59.000And so I saw an awakening in her that my son already had.
00:04:04.000I mean, he literally will sit with me, watch...
00:04:06.000I mean, Tucker's no longer on, but he would watch Tucker with me and have conversations with me when he was 11, 12. My daughter came a bit later into the game, but it's so rewarding to see them wake up to these things and have meaningful conversations with me on these topics.
00:05:38.000And there are different payoffs in each of these matrices.
00:05:41.000And then the question is, what is the optimal behavior?
00:05:43.000So that's called game theory because you use game theoretic framework to model what should be some optimal behavior.
00:05:51.000Well, in the context of the Cold War, That's when game theory was first being applied, that the Russians or the Soviets can nuke us or not, we can nuke them or not.
00:06:02.000So there were all these models that were developed.
00:06:04.000So, for example, mutually assured destruction is an outshoot of understanding game theory.
00:06:11.000And so for the ones who are watching the show, John von Neumann...
00:06:16.000Is the definition of how I think an intellectual should be.
00:06:47.000Well, he beat me by many, many years, so I'm a little ant compared to him.
00:06:51.000It's bizarre when you see young teenagers that are in college already because they've gone through their entire high school course by the time they're 14, 15 years old.
00:07:49.000Like accelerated learning that you have as a child is so rapid and so profound that a four year age gap is nuts.
00:07:57.000Well, speaking of accelerated learning, my biggest regret, I may have discussed this with you before or not, but my parental regret is that we never taught Our children, all of the languages that we speak at home.
00:08:10.000So I speak, my mother tongue is Arabic, and I also learned French because from Lebanon and then moving to Montreal.
00:08:18.000Then I learned English, and I also speak Hebrew.
00:08:21.000And then my wife, because she's Lebanese-Armenian, she speaks Armenian.
00:08:26.000So between the two of us, we speak five languages.
00:08:36.000If she speaks to them in Armenian, I won't understand.
00:08:40.000So we just settled on French and English.
00:08:42.000So rather than them now being these super exotic, you know, five language speaking kids, they only speak the very vanilla French and English.
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00:11:51.000Like, if you're in New York and you go to an Italian deli, and you're talking to this fucking guy, and he's making you a sandwich, you know, like my friend Giovanni.
00:12:06.000I was going to say that you're going to get me in trouble because I think I mentioned to you last time that the biggest trouble I ever faced was two shows ago when I was here.
00:12:15.000And I made a joke about the French-Canadian accent.
00:12:52.000So in behavioral decision-making, in psychological decision-making, there's a whole field that studies what are the types of cognitive traps that people succumb to precisely to not alter their original position.
00:13:05.000And Leon Festinger, I don't know if you know, he's the pioneer who developed the theory of cognitive dissonance.
00:13:11.000And so he has an amazing quote, which I use in one of my earlier books.
00:13:17.000In the parasitic mind, where he basically says the types of mental machinations that the average human being will engage in to make sure that there's cognitive consistency in his mind.
00:13:31.000Because incoming information that contradicts my anchored position makes me feel icky.
00:13:36.000So what are the kinds of mental gymnastics I'm going to go through to make sure that everything stays consistent in my mind?
00:13:42.000Which, as you might imagine, is a big obstacle for me because I'm in the business.
00:13:47.000Of administering mind vaccines to people, right?
00:14:00.000Well, if you pay attention to X, you will see you are up Schitt's Creek.
00:14:06.000Especially liberal people on X, like super hyper liberal people that are unwilling to look at any positive aspects of any sort of Republican ideas or policies.
00:15:26.000I said he was gone in 2020. The presidency ages you faster than radiation.
00:15:31.000Whatever the fuck happens when you have all that information, all that pressure, and the whole world's watching you, and then there's fucking chaos everywhere, and probably a bunch of terrifying shit that most people don't have information on, but you do.
00:15:45.000And all of a sudden, you have this crazy position.
00:17:02.000I know the whole system's fucked, but...
00:17:05.000I've talked about this before, but there's this one interview that she does where she talks about meeting her mother and father-in-law for the first time.
00:17:12.000And it's so funny when she talks about her mother-in-law grabbing her face.
00:18:40.000And you can get that out of almost anybody if they're willing to do it.
00:18:45.000But you have to be skillful in how you negotiate it and how you do it.
00:18:50.000You have to think about it like it's like a dance.
00:18:53.000So I'm going to maybe be a bit less charitable than you.
00:18:57.000I don't think she's capable of doing it because it takes...
00:19:01.000A couple of things to be able to do what you just said.
00:19:03.000Number one, it takes vulnerability in that you're laying yourself out there.
00:19:07.000Right now I'm speaking straight without any script.
00:19:10.000And I might say something stupid that's going to be caught by millions of people, but I'm willing to take that chance for the joy of sitting and chatting with you.
00:19:18.000But if you're tight and you can't let yourself go, if you don't have the self-assuredness to be able to be vulnerable, then you can't.
00:19:26.000That's why she could only speak in those little chunks.
00:19:28.000Perhaps, but it's also perhaps who is she talking to?
00:21:15.000And the data shows me, especially what I know now.
00:21:18.000From being a hunter for 12 years and spending a lot of time in the woods and knowing how many people are out there and how many people have phones and cameras and how many trail cameras there are and how many...
00:22:40.000So if you're looking in between all these trees and something 100 yards away is going in between trees and standing up tall, you just saw Bigfoot.
00:23:07.000So, and now you're saying, you know, I'd love to believe in this stuff, but then incoming information comes in and then I kind of have to accept the fact that I can't believe this stuff.
00:23:48.000Because classical economic theory argues that if you're going to maximize your utility when you're making a decision, you should look at all of the available information.
00:23:59.000You can't choose the car that maximizes your utility if you leave some information unturned.
00:24:06.000So that's called the normative theory, meaning that's how you ought to behave normatively if you want to be a perfect decision maker, a rational decision maker.
00:24:14.000But objectively speaking, that's not what we do, right?
00:24:17.000Like you and I, every decision that we make every day, we don't sample all of the relevant and available information before we make a choice.
00:24:25.000We sample until we have sufficiently differentiated between the choices that you say there is no point in sampling more information.
00:24:33.000I now have enough information to vote for Trump.
00:24:36.000I have enough information to marry this girl, to choose this employee.
00:25:39.000You could apply choosing between fitness instructors, choosing between political candidates to vote for, for anything, right?
00:25:46.000The reason why it's binary, it's because it only operates once you're down to two final alternatives.
00:25:51.000You might have used another process to go from ten alternatives.
00:25:54.000Like, let's say the primaries in the U.S. system, we first go through Republican primary, then we choose one final one, and then we go through Democratic.
00:26:08.000And so my model really explains how we make decisions across a bewildering number of cases, specifically how we stop and say, I'm marrying her, I'm hiring him, I'm voting for him.
00:26:36.000You set what's called a differentiation threshold, which basically says that I have now sufficiently teased apart the Mazda and the Toyota that I've hit that threshold that I'm sufficiently convinced that that decision would never be overturned even if I sampled all of the remaining information.
00:28:51.000Then there was another school of thought that thought, no, dysphorics are so helpless that one of the ways that they can gain control over their lives is to look at more information.
00:29:00.000So because I couldn't come up with any a priori hypotheses, and being an honest scientist, I said, I'm not going to posit any hypotheses.
00:29:07.000I'm just going to run it and see what I get.
00:29:10.000So I think I had 18 different measures that were comparing, maybe 17. Measures that were comparing the dysphorics to the non-dysphorics, of which on 16 out of the 17, I got no effects, right?
00:29:24.000Now, that to me was worthy of publishing, meaning that in this particular task, dysphoria doesn't seem to moderate the behavior.
00:29:34.000I sent it to this top journal actually called Cognition and Emotion.
00:29:39.000The editor writes back to me, Gadd, gorgeous study, beautiful design, beautiful.
00:29:46.000Unfortunately, given the number of null effects you got, I can't publish it.
00:29:51.000Now, this is literally called in science the null effects bias or the drawer, which means what?
00:29:58.000You only end up publishing findings that give you an effect and you...
00:30:04.000Put into the disappearance bin all of the findings that didn't get any effects.
00:30:10.000So when you then run a meta-analysis, do you know what a meta-analysis is?
00:30:14.000When you run a meta-analysis, it's not an actual...
00:30:16.000Accurate depiction of the totality of findings because all of those null effect studies were never published.
00:30:22.000And so I tried to tell the psychologist in question, who, by the way, several years later, he was at USC and was hounding me because he's a super wokester.
00:30:32.000I couldn't believe how much he fell in my esteem.
00:30:36.000I won't even mention his name, although he's worthy of being shamed on the Joe Rogan show.
00:30:41.000And I wrote to him, I said, but I really think that...
00:30:44.000You know, you're succumbing to the null effects bias because I really, it's worthy to publish this.
00:30:49.000This was, I think, in 1998. It's information.
00:30:52.000It's information that is worthy of the, certainly the scientific community should know about it.
00:30:58.000Well, I probably, one of the first times I've ever discussed it was on this show, so hopefully at least it gets that attention, but it's not in the record.
00:32:31.000And human beings, for whatever reason, I guess it's part of the motivation of acquiring information and of advancing your ideas.
00:32:40.000We attach ourselves to ideas and one of the things I always tell young people like if you want to if you want to do better in life and not get tricked by your own bullshit, don't be married to your ideas.
00:32:58.000Ideas are some things that you fuck around with in your head and you explore and you talk about with friends, but you have to always be honest about them and never be attached to them.
00:33:10.000The problem with ideas is that ideas are just like everything else.
00:33:14.000Human beings grab them and they're stingy and they're like, mine!
00:35:08.000I think that maybe you're afraid that if right now in the rarefied world of us having just posited the hypotheses, but not run the study, we live in a world where it hasn't been falsified yet.
00:35:51.000Look at what happens to men's testosterone levels when they engage in acts of conspicuous consumption and what happens to men's testosterone when they see other men engaging in acts of conspicuous consumption.
00:36:07.000And the general story, as you might imagine, is when I engage in an act of conspicuous consumption, my testosterone goes up because I had a social win.
00:36:17.000And when I see you, who's a competitor to me, Getting into your fancy Maserati, then my tail goes between my legs.
00:36:32.000By the way, I always joke that for study one, we actually had people drive a Porsche that we rented and a beaten up old...
00:36:43.000And after each driving condition, we took salivary assays so that we could measure the testosterone.
00:36:48.000And I always joke, try to get from a granting agency research funds so that you could rent a Porsche.
00:36:56.000Now, only when you can do that, you're a good scientist.
00:36:59.000Anyways, and so we ran the studies, and several of the hypotheses that we posited turned out to be vertical, but several were falsified.
00:37:09.000To the credit of the editor, unlike the other guy, he found value in even the findings that were contrary to what we had expected because we had a post-hoc explanation for why it didn't work out.
00:37:21.000And so, lesson to everybody who is an aspiring scientist, always be honest.
00:38:14.000So, I'm old enough at this point, although I'd like to think that I still have many years left, but that I can sort of look back at, you know, what are some of the great things.
00:38:41.000I mean, obviously they're intelligent in the sense that they've gotten a PhD, they've gotten a professorship, they are stay-in-your-lane professors, they know their little methodology.
00:38:50.000But you can't sit with them at a party and talk about things that is not within their areas of specialty.
00:39:03.000That has disappointed me because sort of my fantasy of becoming an academic was that every Friday for Shabbat dinner, I'd be inviting all of these intellectual colleagues of mine and my children would be growing up hearing the art historian and the mathematician and my children and I are immersed in an endless orgy of ideas all day, whereas most professors are just sort of mundane.
00:39:30.000Publish or perish, get tenure, game the system.
00:39:34.000And so that left me with a very – and that's why I do my thing because I don't play those games.
00:40:04.000So it was essentially, he was saying, in order to thrive as a cancer doctor, he had to diagnose more people with cancer than actually had cancer.
00:41:02.000I mean, the tsunami is devastating, but it's a one bleep.
00:41:06.000Well, what's interesting about you and your work is you predicted, essentially, the entire COVID reaction and the freakout and the woke mob.
00:41:17.000The whole left freakout way before it was going on.
00:41:21.000You caught, like, the first sounds of the drums in the far distance.
00:41:26.000You're like, guys, we gotta get the fuck out of here.
00:42:16.000So we bump a biological male who thinks he's a woman ahead of actual biological women to the point where it's like literally victimizing these women and we ignore it.
00:42:29.000We try to pretend it doesn't happen, whether it's in schools or it's like in the workplace.
00:42:35.000That's the ultimate expression of this ability to completely ignore reality because it doesn't align with your ideology.
00:42:42.000Well, so I have some good news, not phenomenal news, but in the same way that there is now this cataclysmic change that's happening because of Trump and so on, you know, DEI is out and so on.
00:42:53.000I'm definitely seeing a, well, certainly a growing number of institutions that are reaching out to me who are suddenly very interested and keen on speaking.
00:45:03.000I mean, they can quote Cicero and so on.
00:45:07.000Well, I think what University of Austin, I haven't gone to visit yet, but from my understanding, is they're trying to create students who are really well-read, well-read.
00:45:19.000So it's not just a correction to the woke stuff.
00:45:23.000But let's return to meaningful, well-grounded, all-encompassing education.
00:45:28.000And if they pull it off, what a great thing.
00:45:30.000Yeah, education is not supposed to be just indoctrination.
00:45:33.000It's supposed to be giving you a broad perspective.
00:45:37.000On a bunch of different ways that people look at the world and what we know about the world, that's a fact.
00:45:44.000And you're supposed to be able to form your own conclusions.
00:45:46.000The way you're supposed to be able to do that, you're supposed to see people of different ideologies debate and have conversations about things.
00:45:52.000You're not supposed to pull fire alarms and shut people off because you don't like what they're saying.
00:45:56.000You're supposed to have someone from your side who can calmly and reasonably and, you know...
00:46:04.000In a way that's encouraging to other people to think the way they're thinking.
00:47:05.000You change your mind by evidence, by interacting with people that have different opinions that you didn't consider before, and now you do, and you have to be honest about your ideas and mull them over in your head and figure out, why do I think this way now?
00:47:16.000So one thing about sort of this broad education, I was mentioning earlier John von Neumann, who's this kind of polymath.
00:47:26.000Joe, many of the biggest scientific innovations have happened at the intersection of interdisciplinarity because many of the biggest scientific problems necessitate expertise in many different domains.
00:47:40.000So the mapping of the human genome could not come from only one discipline.
00:47:45.000It took biostatisticians and biologists and geneticists and all kinds of different expertise to put it all together.
00:47:54.000And so one of the things that I've been trying, I mean, certainly in my own research, I publish in medicine and in marketing and in psychology and in behavioral science and evolution.
00:48:04.000I've lived my life as an interdisciplinarian, but we don't train our students to be this way.
00:48:32.000And now we've just created a synergy that we never thought of before, right?
00:48:36.000So one of the things that I'm hoping to do with some of the universities that are now interested in making me an offer is to build something that I've long dreamt of, which I call the Consilience Institute.
00:50:10.000So in other words, there are six, seven, eight key evolutionary templates that drive much of the great literature, whether it be Arabic literature, whether it be ancient Greek literature, whether it be Japanese literature.
00:50:23.000There's always that same template, and that's why they cater to our...
00:50:28.000That's why I could understand what an ancient Greek poet had wrote 2,500 years ago, and I get how he's feeling jealousy, because you and I are running on the same softwares that that guy did.
00:50:41.000And so that would be called Darwinian literary criticism.
00:50:44.000You could apply evolutionary theory to architecture.
00:50:47.000Okay, so I'm trying to give examples that you wouldn't have thought of.
00:50:52.000Architects usually are trained in how to design buildings to minimize cost and maximize the speed with which you can build a thing.
00:51:01.000They're not trained to design buildings that are consistent with our biophilic nature.
00:51:14.000Just having more windows increases productivity.
00:51:18.000As a matter of fact, there's a great study that was published in maybe Nature or Science, one of those two journals, in 1984, I think, where the researcher did only the following experimental manipulation.
00:51:28.000Half the people who had just done surgery were placed in a room with a...
00:51:34.000The one that was in a room with a window had many...
00:51:49.000Just that one manipulation, being able to see the light, right?
00:51:53.000So, by the way, there's a field called biophilic architecture, which tries to incorporate our innate love of nature in the design of architectural buildings or interior spaces and so on.
00:52:08.000So that would be another example of using evolutionary theory in a completely...
00:52:12.000You can use evolutionary theory in medicine.
00:52:15.000You could use evolutionary theory in consumer behavior.
00:52:18.000And so I argue that we can build an institute called the Consilience Institute where filmmakers from Hollywood can come to this institute and do a six-month stage studying about how to develop cool scripts that adhere to evolutionary principles.
00:53:30.000This is from other evolutionary medical guys.
00:53:33.000I think the top nine killers in health...
00:53:38.000Are related to the mismatch hypothesis, which means that something that could have been perfectly adaptive a hundred years ago...
00:53:48.000In the modern world, it becomes maladaptive.
00:53:51.000So for example, and hence the mismatch.
00:53:53.000So whether it be colon cancer or diabetes or heart disease or so on, what ends up happening with each of these diseases is that misalignment between what was evolutionarily adaptive back then and evolutionarily maladaptive now creates that health condition.
00:54:11.000We've evolved the taste buds, the gustatory preferences, to prefer...
00:54:17.000Fatty foods because of caloric uncertainty, caloric scarcity.
00:54:22.000That makes perfect evolutionary sense when, as a hunter-gatherer, I have to spend 30,000 calories to go out and hunt, and I may not return with game.
00:54:31.000But then when I do get the game, then I gorge on that meat because I don't know when I'm going to eat next, right?
00:54:37.000In today's environment of plentitude, I don't face caloric uncertainty and caloric...
00:54:46.000Because that mechanism of gorging on fatty foods still is in me.
00:54:51.000So we still have that mechanism, but it becomes maladaptive.
00:54:55.000And so incorporating an evolutionary lens into medicine often ends up with completely different medical interventions than that which the typical physician who's not trained in evolutionary medicine would have come up with.
00:55:14.000Well, unfortunately, so many doctors don't even take into account so many factors in health.
00:55:20.000And this thing that you're talking about, this desire for fatty foods, that's a great example.
00:55:28.000And, you know, one of the best ways that people have found to sort of mitigate the effects of that is to only eat protein.
00:55:36.000When you go on one of those carnivore diets, one of the things that's so interesting about it is you naturally limit the amount you eat.
00:55:43.000Your body achieves sort of a homeostasis with your food because you're not consuming like...
00:55:50.000I can sit down and eat a steak, a steak alone, and I'll be fine.
00:55:55.000But if there's mashed potatoes sitting right there with gravy, or there's some pasta, or there's a piece of bread with some butter, I'll go in.
00:56:03.000But if I'm only eating steak, I don't feel the need to eat anything else.
00:56:18.000But if you can get past that trick and just be disciplined with your diet and eat as much as you want of eggs and fish and meat, you will lose weight in a shocking way.
00:58:13.000Like, if I just flew in from fucking Italy or something like that and I'm tired and I'm jet-lagged, it's a little harder to get the gears turning.
00:58:55.000And if you just don't know what to do and you don't know where to turn and your habits are so deeply ingrained in your psyche that you can't pass up ring-dings and you can't stop eating sugary cereal or whatever the fuck it is that's your thing, Ozempic is probably a good way to get going.
00:59:11.000You know, I wish people would just get going with discipline and they would just get going with food choices.
01:04:17.000Although there are some cases where, and I want to talk about another variety of study in a second, but there are some cases where colors in nature are called, this was actually my first book in 2007, I talked about aposomatic.
01:04:45.000Amazonian frog that lives in a very dangerous neighborhood, you'd think that it would evolve camouflaging.
01:04:52.000And yet, you could see it from a satellite that's so brightly yellow or red, because it's saying, hey, idiot, if you could see me, you might want to sort of stay wide of me.
01:05:23.000Mechanism, when I'm talking about deceptive signaling, and I use it in the context of deceptive branding, where people, Canal Street in New York City is all about you going and buying a Prada bag that should be $5,000, but hopefully if they faked it well, I can buy it for $50.
01:05:42.000And so that's how I take all of these biological examples and try to apply them in economic or consumer decision-making.
01:05:49.000But let me go back to variety seeking.
01:05:53.000So they did another study where they took the exact same pasta and they either gave it to you in a plate of one-shaped pasta or in a plate of multi-shaped.
01:06:07.000But it's the same pasta, so it doesn't change anything.
01:06:09.000But I can give it to you, whatever it's called, fusela.
01:06:24.000It's really fascinating how brands have status attached to them and people are so attached to acquiring these brands that they'll have fake ones.
01:07:52.000But it's because when I'm nouveau riche, I just entered that thing.
01:07:57.000I want to demonstrate to everybody that I'm the real deal.
01:08:01.000And for many other people who are in my circle, they may not be able to afford the ostentatious $350,000 Ferrari.
01:08:10.000But when I am an upper upper in the billionaire class, then me driving a $350,000 car is not a costly signal in a biological sense of my worth because every single member of my billionaire friends group could match.
01:08:28.000Therefore, the way I can then compete with my billionaire friends is if I can spend my money in a lavish, wasteful way such that I buy an art piece that a monkey could have come up with and I pay wasteful way such that I buy an art piece that a monkey could have That makes me big dog because you don't have enough money, Joe, to be able to buy what a monkey, and I paid $180 million.
01:11:42.000The way she separated John Lennon from the Beatles, the way, you know, like everybody, like if you're in a band and one of the band members has a girlfriend, the girlfriend now gets involved in the band and starts talking about like, you know, you need to treat him better.
01:13:16.000If you see it, you can't believe it's real.
01:13:19.000You know that my friend of mine recently told me, he was actually a former student of mine who's a good friend now, he told me that that famous sit-in that they had happened in Montreal.
01:14:50.000Like, if you and I sparred, we could put on the gloves and we'd go back into the gym and we could spar and it would look almost like we're really fighting.
01:14:58.000No, because you'd punch me once and I'd be dead.
01:15:15.000The thing about doing that with someone who's going to be nice to you is that you can actually learn how to do it because you don't worry about getting hit.
01:15:22.000So, like, the best sparring that I ever got ever was when I... Learn to spar with people who had the same intentions as me, just getting better and not trying to kill each other.
01:15:33.000So my early days of sparring, when I was a young man, I trained at a very hard gym.
01:15:39.000And in kickboxing, we tried to kill each other.
01:15:42.000And so there was wars in the gym essentially every day.
01:15:57.000Now, I think people are much more concerned with CTE, brain damage, the longevity of a fighter's career, that they would have people fight smart.
01:16:05.000And so the thing is, like, training partners, especially in jiu-jitsu, you learn to really value your training partners because your training partners help you get better and you have to trust them.
01:16:14.000Like, if somebody gets me in a heel hook, I have to trust them that they're not just going to rip my knee apart and they're going to let me tap.
01:16:56.000He's gonna hit me in the body like this, where we're both okay.
01:17:00.000We know he could have really hurt me, but he just touched me.
01:17:03.000So he's getting his timing, he's getting his movement, and we're both moving fast, but we're both really good, so we have the ability to control.
01:17:10.000So instead of blasting through someone and punching them, you punch them like that.
01:17:23.000And occasionally, unfortunately, sometimes you hit someone harder than you mean to because they move into something or you both hit each other at the same time.
01:18:48.000And when punches come at you, I want you to be able to move away.
01:18:51.000I was going to say that when I was a soccer player, the type of trainings we do because you have to do a lot of sprints is very different than the type of fitness that I do now, which is usually I just get on the treadmill.
01:19:03.000And I do a bit of interval training, but I just kind of either run or fast walk uphill without these kinds of...
01:19:17.000So I'm looking to do something that raises my heart level in a way that is akin to what I... I suppose would happen if you got into a ring, how your heart rate would kind of go up in ways that I'm probably not testing my heart currently because I just get on the treadmill and I just jog.
01:19:33.000Yeah, I mean, there's a whole bunch of workouts that you could just do online.
01:19:46.000And, you know, they'll take you through all this different stuff, like pistol squats, do this, do that, you know, overhead press, do this, do that.
01:19:52.000And then they'll work you through the reps.
01:19:54.000And all you have to do is follow along.
01:19:56.000Have you ever seen the training regimen of Alvin Kamara?
01:20:01.000Alvin Kamara is, I mean, recently he's kind of had a couple of off years, but he's sort of the feature back, running back of the New Orleans Saints.
01:20:12.000He's an all-purpose bag, meaning that he both runs, but he also catches the ball a lot, right?
01:22:33.000That kind of, I mean, it just makes sense that if you want to separate yourself from everybody else, what do you need to do to separate yourself?
01:22:40.000There's this guy, Armand Sarukian, who was supposed to be fighting Islam Makachev for the world lightweight UFC title, but he hurt his back literally like the day before the weigh-ins.
01:22:52.000It's probably because of the severe weight cut.
01:25:43.000I think that was a person who didn't think they were going to get scrutinized, who used their position of influence to acquire a PhD in this stuff she has.
01:25:54.000But also, there's like legit breakdancers in Australia.
01:26:08.000When they do a flip and land on one leg and then flip back the other way.
01:26:12.000There's a couple of guys, Richie and Gio Martinez, that are black belts under 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu and they started out their career as breakdancing and they were so hard to hold on to and they were so mobile and so agile that Eddie started incorporating like breakdancing into his training, like learning breakdance techniques.
01:26:31.000Because it's basically kind of gymnastics.
01:29:06.000Rick Ross was a cocaine dealer in the 1980s that didn't know at the time, but he was a part of the whole Oliver North thing where they were selling cocaine in the L.A. streets, and they were using the money to...
01:30:19.000So one of the biggest stressors I face when I travel, speaking about reading, is I've got a very, very big personal library of books, many of which I've yet to read.
01:30:30.000And I wake up every day worried that am I going to run out of time in life and not read these books?
01:30:36.000So whenever I travel and I'm going to bring a book to read on that trip, I sit there.
01:30:41.000The guy who studies psychology of decision-making, I have complete decision paralysis because usually my wife will tell me, you're leaving in 24 hours.
01:30:48.000Why don't you now go and anguish, get in anguish for the next six hours as my hair is full.
01:31:34.000If I'm very excited about it, I retain most of it.
01:31:36.000If I'm just forcing myself to pay attention and then my mind drifts off into something else and then comes back, that's a little bit of a problem.
01:32:26.000So there's a French scientist in that film that is coordinating all these people that are trying to contact this UFO and they're working this out, like how to do it.
01:32:52.000He's been involved with it for a long time.
01:32:54.000Where are you on the zero, I absolutely don't believe any of this, 100, I fully believe in this.
01:33:01.000this what's your score I the more time goes on the more I think it's way weirder than we think I don't dismiss the idea that something from another planet can come here and visit us.
01:34:03.000An area of this phenomenon that plays on human consciousness and dreams and our interactions with the unknown.
01:34:11.000Because I think there's more to life than we can perceive.
01:34:15.000I think there's more to the existence, this conscious existence in this moment in the universe.
01:34:22.000There's more to it than we're picking up on.
01:34:24.000I think we have limited senses and I think that...
01:34:28.000This is what things like the telepathy tapes and all these different people that are studying paranormal phenomenon.
01:34:33.000I think that's what this stuff is all about.
01:34:35.000I think it's part of an emerging aspect of human consciousness that we're developing stronger and stronger senses in regards to things that aren't...
01:34:44.000They're not something that you can just put on a scale.
01:34:47.000They're not something that you can take a rule or two.
01:34:49.000They're not something that you can quantify.
01:35:24.000They made a movie out of it called Fire in the Sky.
01:35:26.000But maybe, I don't know if Jamie can pull out, it's a Netflix series that just, it's a documentary series that just started, that I think came out this year or this past year.
01:35:36.000There is kind of a guy, I don't think he's a professor or something, but he's a guy who's like the investigator who collates.
01:36:11.000He wrote a book called Abduction that was all about hypnotic regression therapy that he did with all these different people that had these abduction experiences.
01:36:20.000And they were all really similar, like eerily similar.
01:36:23.000No, they weren't communicating with each other.
01:36:54.000I think there's dimensions that we don't have access to that exist around us.
01:36:59.000And these guys that pretend to understand quantum theory and all that stuff, when they start talking to you about it, talking about multiple dimensions, it leaves room for the possibility of these things.
01:38:52.000And he said it's proof of the multiverse because somehow or another this computer is contacting other quantum computers in an infinite number of universes and using all the computing power and solving it instantaneously.
01:39:04.000Forgive me for being eager to jump on what you're saying.
01:39:08.000I think, if I'm not mistaken, David Deutsch is one of the pioneers of the multiverse theory.
01:39:14.000Well, it kind of is the only theory, at least as it's been explained to me.
01:39:18.000That could work with quantum computing.
01:40:47.000Alpha-beta pruning, which is if you blow out the decision tree of a typical game, let's say like chess, you would need 10 to the 100 nodes, if I'm not mistaken, which is more nodes than there are particles in the universe.
01:41:02.000I think in the universe there's 10 to the 80. So there are more nodes in a chess game than there are particles or atoms in the universe.
01:41:16.000So what it's basically doing is it starts testing going down the tree, and if it seems like no good outcome can come from here, you prune that tree.
01:41:26.000So what you're doing is you're reducing the computational complexity of the tree so that you can arrive to a final solution much quicker.
01:41:34.000And so that was the original time that I was exposed to AI. And at the time, I thought, wow, AI is going to take over the world.
01:41:42.000and then AI went through a winter where it kind of died out.
01:41:46.000And it's only in the last three, four, five years that really it has exploded.
01:41:50.000But I want to tell you a few assignments that I had back then, and I would challenge someone to solve them on your show and post the answers.
01:42:46.000So what Professor Newborn had asked us to do as an assignment, 1985, 40 years ago, is can you tell us, this is called the deterministic game, meaning that there is a way to a priori know who would win the game before we even play.
01:43:07.000Just by looking at some characteristic of any string.
01:44:30.000I would love for Professor Newborn, if he's still alive, to watch this show and say, my God, I must have trained this student well that he can pull this out of his butt 40 years later.
01:45:18.000What is the minimal sequence of weighings, if I had a scale, that I can place these on so that I can unequivocally identify which is the faulty, the counterfeit coin, and whether it's too heavy or too light?
01:46:05.000Is there, what is the minimal number of sequence of weighings that will invariably converge to the right counterfeit coin, irrespective of what happens in the weighing?
01:46:31.000I believe that there is a sequence of three steps that could invariably identify which coin is counterfeit and if it's too light or too heavy.
01:46:40.000So it's not as simple as just weighing them.
01:46:42.000Well, it is as simple as weighing them.
01:50:50.000The middle has to be a 1. A 1 or a 0. Well, no, because if the middle is 1-1-1, so when we're left with 1-1-1, I take a 1 from this side, you take any other 1, and I'll be left with 1 and I win.
01:51:05.000Therefore, if we both know the deterministic rule of the game, I will always make sure.
01:51:11.000So when you take out from this side, I will counterbalance by taking out from this side.
01:51:16.000And then you take out from this side, I'll counterbalance with this side to make sure that we converge.
01:51:22.000To the middle one, one, one, which I know because it's an odd string and I started the game, I'm always going to get to it.
01:52:30.000I mean, I don't want to say nothing, but certainly not enough to offer any insights in this conversation.
01:52:37.000It seems so strange, and there's no real applications for it yet, which is even stranger, is that they have this computing power, but they're not using it to do things.
01:52:59.000It's an incredibly easy property to define.
01:53:05.000We know how the number line operates, yet you know that one of the open problems in pure mathematics, pure mathematics is basically number theory.
01:53:15.000It's the purest, most theoretical form of math, which is saying a lot.
01:53:21.000Don't have a formula that allows them to generate what is the next prime, right?
01:53:30.000So usually right now what you do is you have these incredible supercomputers and through brute force, someone comes out with, we now found the largest prime number ever, but it was done through algorithmic brutish force.
01:53:49.000Quantum computing approach will allow us to, through brute force, calculate much further prime numbers that today we don't have the computational power to do.
01:54:01.000So I don't know what the application would be, but that would be an example of using the raw computational power of quantum computing to solve these problems.
01:54:10.000What I was getting at was we don't have an application for it where it's being used and it's eventually going to be.
01:54:17.000What I was getting at is that we're looking at this astounding computational ability that's baffling.
01:54:24.000And what happens when that gets applied to something?
01:54:29.000My point is always what happens when that gets applied to sentient AI, when it gets applied to some large language model that's untethered.
01:54:38.000That's where it's really crazy because the computing power, like, one of the big problems with artificial intelligence is the incredible need for power, right?
01:54:47.000This is why these, like, Google's doing this AI thing where they want to develop three nuclear power plants to power their AI. Yeah, crazy.
01:54:56.000So what happens when this insane thing that we have developed called artificial intelligence meets this other insane thing that we have developed called quantum computing?
01:55:10.000But what I can say is that any type of problem that requires massive computational power because of the burdensome search process, You can use that for, right?
01:55:26.000So imagine, although I don't think you need quantum computing for this, but say in medical diagnostics where you use an AI system, why isn't it that we don't, why do we even go to a physician and provide him or her with our symptoms when it should be so trivially easy to put that into an AI medical diagnostic system and it can look up Rare cases in 1827 in Zambia that exactly map onto
01:55:56.000exactly the symptoms, the unique symptoms that I'm facing because I went on a safari in Zambia.
01:56:02.000No physician, even if he's strained in infectious diseases, has probably seen that case from 1827 in Zambia.
01:56:08.000So I would expect that in problems that require huge computational power to search through huge engines, But I don't know anything else.
01:56:18.000Yeah, well, it's going to have applications is the point.
01:56:23.000Right now, it's this insane technology that is so above and beyond anything that's even imaginable.
01:56:29.000If you just said that to someone 20 years ago, you're going to have a computer that if you took the whole universe and turned it into a computer, it would die of heat death before this thing could figure it out, and this thing could do it in a couple of minutes.
01:57:40.000Allegedly involves a little bit of espionage.
01:57:43.000So it involves a little bit of stealing some of the data from OpenAI and some of these other places.
01:57:49.000And one of the things that does happen, of course, with these sort of enormous technology breakthroughs is that you're going to have certain foreign governments that are trying to infiltrate these research centers.
01:58:03.000They're trying to get access to this information.
01:58:05.000And the speculation is that they have done that and that they are more advanced because of it than we are even aware of and that they're dumping untold amounts of resources sort of unchecked.
01:58:16.000The response to this is probably what the government just recently announced with the Trump administration.
01:58:33.000Of the line first is going to be an insane position of power.
01:58:37.000In a sense, it's similar to the space race, but this one is probably more consequential.
01:58:42.000Probably more consequential because essentially when you're dealing with quantum computing and AI and you put the two of those together, which they haven't done yet, but once they do, what is that?
01:59:08.000In a much less sort of grand context, yesterday I had, this morning I was telling you I was having breakfast with a colleague from UT Austin.
01:59:24.000And he said that over the past month or so, I don't remember the exact time, the AI abilities of the self-driving part of his Tesla, he's noticed a huge improvement, like a really discreet jump.
02:01:20.000I like driving, but the auto-driving feature that exists now is just the beginning.
02:01:25.000It's going to get to the point where it's going to be stupid to let people drive.
02:01:29.000You know, it's funny because linking it back to my area of research in psychology and decision-making, there was a psychologist who has now passed away, a very famous psychologist named Paul Mehl, M-E-E-H-L, who in the 1950s was already doing studies looking at what's called actuarial.
02:01:51.000Let's suppose I were to tell you that when it comes to making decisions for your admissions to university, using an actuarial model, meaning putting in all of your admissions data and allowing a model to decide yes or no, is a much better mechanism than to allow humans to make that choice, because humans can be hungry at 11.45, and they're pissed off because their blood sugar is low.
02:02:20.000And depending on whether the blood sugar is low or not, they may make a different decision on the exact same file.
02:02:27.000So that he tried to argue that actuarial decisions for certain structured decisions will end up having much better, fairer outcomes for university applicants, and people were still reticent to allow the machine to make decisions.
02:02:45.000They wanted to be in the hands of humans.
02:02:47.000And so I think the reason why I thought of this example is because when you said, I don't like the machine to be driving, I want to be in control.
02:02:56.000What that to me suggests is that no matter how much actuarial evidence you might provide to people, telling them, on average, you're much less likely to get into an accident if the self-driving car drives, most people are going to have the bias of saying, no, I can't relinquish control.
02:03:17.000Yeah, I think that's definitely a factor.
02:03:21.000You wonder if the car is paying attention to things that you can see but it can't see, right?
02:03:27.000So what I like to look at when I'm driving, one of the reasons why I like driving my truck, I have a Raptor, and it's above the rest of the traffic.
02:03:35.000So I could see people doing stupid things way up ahead.
02:03:37.000So I could see someone slamming on their brakes, and I know all these other people are going to have to slam on their brakes too because somebody just cut in front of that guy and stopped dead.
02:04:11.000And especially I'll move to the left lane a little bit to see what's going on.
02:04:14.000I'll move slightly to the left so that I can see past this line.
02:04:20.000When you're taking into account other people's stupidity, the thing is, once we get to a point where automated cars are ubiquitous, then the argument for self-driving, or driving yourself, rather, is going to be kind of shitty.
02:04:34.000Because it's going to be so much better than driving.
02:07:33.000You know, it's like the worry about humans is humans.
02:07:37.000Or doing it on purpose, which is an error.
02:07:41.000But as someone who used to code in my computer science days, sometimes you forget the semicolon and the syntax of the programming language.
02:07:48.000You do, but it's going to be coded by AI. It won't be coded by people.
02:10:47.000Yeah, I think that is going to be a thing of the past too.
02:10:51.000I think technology is going to bring us to a point where we're going to be able to telepathically exchange ideas and it's going to be thought-based.
02:10:59.000It's not going to be based on language.
02:11:01.000And the problem with language, of course, you have objectable words, words that are used out of context, words that you see in print.
02:11:09.000You're lacking the sarcastic tone that the person said it in.
02:11:13.000So you read it, you could reinterpret it as being a serious statement.
02:11:16.000There's a lot of weird stuff with language because what we're really trying to do is communicate.
02:11:21.000It's a crude form of communication that only exists because telepathy is not good.
02:11:27.000You feel that we're gonna one day be able to just, our conversation will just be, we're looking at each other in the eyes.
02:11:59.000Like, people misinterpret things in text messages all the time.
02:12:02.000Where one person is joking and the other person takes them seriously, or one person doesn't understand that this person doesn't know about something else and they wrote something.
02:12:22.000So in FMRI, I put you through the machine, and I'm able to look at...
02:12:28.000Which areas of your brain are getting more activated, either through blood flow or oxygenation or whatever, right?
02:12:34.000So if I'm studying the psychology of fear-based appeals or advertising, well, I expect your amygdala to light up more because that's an emotional center where you expect fear to be processed, right?
02:12:46.000So there is some researchers, I think, out of UCLA that took, I can't remember if it's like a sentence.
02:12:54.000So let's say eight different sentences.
02:12:55.000I'm getting the methodology wrong, but the general idea is valid.
02:12:59.000And based on the activation pattern that they see, they're able to tell you which sentence would have been said by looking at the brain image.
02:13:14.000Because each of those enunciated sentences or things that I thought about...
02:13:21.000Will necessitate a different invoking of a particular region in my brain, right?
02:13:28.000And therefore, so I can't be to the point where I'm able to read your mind in the way that if you and I were having a telepathic conversation would happen, but at least I'm able to know if you just thought about something fearful.
02:13:44.000And so now they're already doing that.
02:13:47.000So I think the analogy would be like, this is the first grunts that ancient man developed to recognize particular things and to point out things before they developed a written language that was eloquent like Thomas Jefferson.
02:15:15.000So hence, illusion of explanatory profundity.
02:15:19.000You're thinking that you're explaining something very profound, but it really is.
02:15:23.000You don't know what the hell you're talking about.
02:15:24.000So I think brain imaging so far has been very powerful.
02:15:30.000As a diagnostic tool, because you could see things in vivo.
02:15:33.000You could actually see certain things that before you had to do an invasive surgery to see.
02:15:37.000But to be able to fully, like now there are neuromarketing firms that tell you, that sell you, based on the activation patterns of your consumers, we can help you design better marketing campaigns.
02:16:06.000Do you know the story of, I think it was in India, there was a woman who was convicted of murder because through fMRI, functional magnetic resonance imagery, she had a functional memory of the crime.
02:16:23.000And the problem with, I talked to neuroscientists about that, and they said the problem is, like, she could have had that memory based on the evidence that was given to her when she was being tried.
02:16:32.000You would imagine that that would have a profound effect.
02:16:34.000If someone told you that you're being tried for murder and they showed you photos of the crime scene, you might develop a functional memory of this crime scene.
02:16:42.000We're trying to think, like, who the fuck did this?
02:17:16.000It's just, and because the fact that these people who didn't understand the science were trying them, they wanted to pretend that these people were responsible for not alerting all these, and they were trying, I think they tried them for manslaughter, and they were convicted, and I think they won on appeal.
02:18:37.000And once you see her research, you shudder to think how many people have gone to the gas chamber because someone said, of course, I absolutely saw him.
02:18:57.000He was with the Innocence Project, and now he does his thing with Ike Perlmutter, and he's...
02:19:02.000Very involved in helping these people that have, and there's a lot of them, that are in jail either through eyewitness testimony or corrupt prosecutors or, you know, evidence is withheld or, you know, there's a ton of those cases.
02:19:19.000Are you a consumer of all the crime shows?
02:20:27.000I love watching that interaction because the guy comes in and does his whole song and dance because he's gotten away with it for much of his life.
02:20:36.000And then I'm just, oh shucks, a stupid country boy who doesn't know what I'm talking about.
02:20:41.000We talked about this the other day too, that I think there's something going on as well, that people that lie all the time, they don't recognize that people can tell that they're lying because they're not good at reading lying because they lie all the time.
02:20:54.000So they're not good at reading people.
02:20:56.000They live in this bullshit world of blinders where they're just trying to be charismatic and push forth some fake story.
02:21:04.000I watched this one where this woman hired an undercover police officer to kill her husband.
02:22:24.000And so I have a book with me that I'm reading.
02:22:27.000At the time, I was thinking, you know, maybe I'll go into maybe forensic psychiatry, which would mean I would go to med school or I'd go into forensic psychology because I was very interested in criminology.
02:22:39.000But then I decided, I think rightly so, that it's too dark for me also as a career.
02:22:46.000Titled Alone with the Devil, which you could probably pull it up, which is a book that was written by a forensic psychiatrist out of L.A. County system where he was the forensic psychiatrist who would interview many of the most famous serial killers that were running through L.A. County back then.
02:23:09.000Angelo Bueno, the Hillside Stranglers, the Night Stalker, all those insane ones in Southern California.
02:23:17.000And so hence, along with the devil, meaning him sitting with...
02:23:21.000And as I put the book down, this is the guy who's checking me into this kind of bed and breakfast place.
02:23:29.000He looks at it and he goes, oh, I know the author.
02:23:33.000And I'm thinking, how does this American guy who's in...
02:23:36.000Northern Quebec, know this author who's a forensic psychiatrist in LA. He goes, oh, I used to be a public defender in the LA County.
02:23:47.000Then he met a woman who was a Quebecerer, and then they moved there together.
02:23:51.000And I used to work with this psychiatrist.
02:23:54.000And as we started talking, he goes, all I could tell you, so this is 1989, so I'm like a 23, 24-year-old guy with long hair.
02:24:01.000And I was telling him that I have a brother who's in Southern California, so I always go see him.
02:24:06.000And he goes, all I can tell you is don't ever, ever do something that gets you to go to L.A. County Jail for even a night.
02:24:16.000Because if you piss off the cops, they'll throw you in there and they just scream fresh fish out of water and then the guys will have their way with you.
02:24:26.000And so I made sure to never drink and drive in LA County because I don't think I would have lasted 14 seconds.
02:26:22.000So Elon is the elected leader of the Martian government, serving a five-year term.
02:26:27.000Elon and their cabinet administrator have laws enacted by two houses of parliament.
02:26:34.000Elon in Project Mars, a technical tale, is the name of the Martian leader and the connection between the character and Elon Musk led to speculation about Wernher von Braun's influence on Musk's space exploration.
02:26:45.000This is a book from, I think it's 1953. Okay, you ready?
02:27:31.0001953 book, Mars Project, by Wernher von Braun, says the leader of Mars shall be called Elon.
02:27:36.000Someone pulled the original German manuscript out of the archives, debunked this myth, only to confirm that von Braun did indeed predict he'd be called Elon.
02:27:43.000And Elon writes, how can this be real?
02:29:52.000Because if shit hits the fan in the alien's land, he is the last president.
02:29:57.000An 1889 novel called Baron Trump's Marvelous Underground Journey.
02:30:01.000It was written by Ingallsall Lockwood.
02:30:04.000He would go on to write another book called The Last President in 1900. Mystery which involves the Trump family, Nikola Tesla, time travel, and dark forces.
02:32:13.000Trying to develop a department of government efficiency at the same time.
02:32:18.000He's a very unique human being that exists once every who knows how many generations, if ever.
02:32:25.000And to think that there are so, like when this Nazi salute thing came out, and of course, you know, I debunked it, and there's some way to it because I happen to be Jewish and I know him.
02:32:37.000But do you really need me to come out with my imprimatur to say no, no, no?
02:32:41.000People don't really believe he made a Nazi salute.
02:32:43.000They want to believe so they say they believe because you can get him on that and he's on the defensive.
02:33:11.000He's a fascinating human being, and all fascinating human beings, especially all people that are in incredible positions of power and wealth, which is what he is.
02:33:20.000And you get attacked by a lot of bad faith arguments, and this is one of them.
02:33:25.000Well, the last time I was in Austin, we had met up in person, and...
02:33:34.000But it was delayed our meeting because he ended up having to go to all sorts of depositions.
02:33:39.000And so he would be texting me and saying, oh, I'm in this hellish deposition.
02:33:44.000And then later when we met, he kind of told me a bit about it.
02:33:47.000I mean, I won't share some of the stuff, but I'm thinking, you know, if at my level I get people coming after me, it's unimaginable to even think.
02:34:20.000But, you know, if he didn't buy Twitter, I think the world would be a far more fucked up place right now.
02:34:25.000I think we would be far more confused, far less free to express ourselves.
02:34:30.000And the narrative, the cultural narrative shifted because of people's ability to freely express themselves now on social media in front of everybody.
02:34:40.000Well, I mean, literally, within a few days of...
02:34:44.000Maybe even the same day of it being announced that he was buying it, I had put out a clip on my channel where I said, of all things that Elon Musk has ever done or will ever do, none will ever count as much as him having bought Twitter.
02:35:01.000If it didn't happen, you would have a complete cult-like takeover of all public discourse.
02:35:11.000All public discourse would be controlled by this ridiculous ideology, this woke ideology, this what you call a mind virus.
02:35:20.000And that mind virus would have been used by corporations, and it has been, and used by government, and it has been used in order to enact more control over its citizens under the guise of protecting marginalized people and protecting ideas.
02:35:39.000It seems like they're doing the right thing, and it seems like opposing that is doing the wrong thing.
02:35:44.000But it's just a wolf in sheep's clothing.
02:35:49.000It's just the government, they don't give a fuck about DEI. All they give a fuck about is votes and power and control.
02:35:57.000And if they can use DEI to get their way, and if they can use whatever green energy bullshit they're pushing, whatever they're doing, they're not doing it because they're trying to save you.
02:36:08.000If you look at it from the perspective of this is to gain more power, more influence, and make more money, then you'll see things more clearly.
02:36:18.000So I've been asked in many different contexts, do you think that this is the end of all the parasitic stuff?
02:36:25.000And I keep imploring people to not be complacent.
02:36:51.000Because I'm supposed to take the antibiotics for five days, but I only take it for two days, and I immediately feel a lot better, I stop taking it.
02:37:01.000But what that has created is that the weak...
02:37:05.000Bacteria have died off, whereas the ones that have survived until that point have only become stronger.
02:37:12.000And through the misapplication of the prescription for antibiotics, I then contribute to the evolution of the superbug.
02:37:19.000So I argue, so I'm analogizing now with the woke mind virus.
02:37:25.000If you don't completely do the antibiotic regimen fully, which in this case means...
02:37:32.000We're eradicating all those parasitic ideas everywhere, right?
02:37:37.000Because it took 50 to 100 years for those bad ideas to originally be spawned and flourish in the university ecosystem.
02:37:44.000So you're not going to get rid of them in a four-year term with Donald Trump and we never see them again.
02:37:50.000So it has to be a continuous cultural...
02:38:05.000And I think that it's also, you have to take into consideration, although Trump won and Trump is controlling the cabinet and all these different people are going to be able to do his agenda, you still have almost half the country that...
02:38:48.000That doesn't mean that 240 years later we have to have the dumbest immigration policy possible.
02:38:53.000Well, and so actually in my forthcoming book that I'm trying to wrap up now, Suicidal Empathy, I have a section where I talk about these kinds of immigration arguments.
02:39:02.000And I use something from cognitive psychology.
02:40:44.000And to oppose getting rid of cartel members and gang members and criminals and pedophiles and serial killers, to oppose getting rid of them and deporting them is just nuts.
02:42:18.000I satirized this in the parasitic mind where I said that through transgravity...
02:42:25.000I identify as much smaller weight than I really am and through trans ageism I am an eight-year-old boy, so I'm competing in the under-eight judo competition.
02:43:36.000Well, unfortunately for us in Canada, unlike you guys have the savior Trump, yes, Trudeau has resigned officially or won't be running the country for much longer, but we're much further down the woke abyss than you guys are.
02:44:45.000I hope there's some sort of a recognition that if America changes course and course corrects and America starts to thrive and do better, which I think it will, and gets the violent crime down and a lot of the issues down and prices down, and if all that stuff happens, I hope Canada comes to its senses and wakes up from this woke trance.
02:45:04.000I mean, I think it will, but it will be a longer auto-correction.
02:45:09.000Yeah, unless you become the 51st state.
02:46:53.000If you're so smart and you're so correct, come debate him.
02:46:57.000And nobody, you know, he didn't want to do it.
02:46:59.000It's just, the whole thing is just, like, I don't like to do that because I don't like, it's going to sound very hippie, I don't like negativity.
02:48:18.000I think negativity is bad for everyone.
02:48:21.000I think it's bad for the person who pushes it out.
02:48:23.000It's bad for the person that receives it.
02:48:25.000It's the reason why people don't like being canceled.
02:48:27.000All these people are dumping on you and it's all this negativity and like, oh, and you feel terrible and they know you feel terrible so they keep piling on.
02:48:36.000I think it's bad for your self-respect.
02:48:39.000For how you view yourself as an evolved I mean, the only exceptions are if someone's a criminal.
02:48:49.000If someone's doing something like, you know, if you're the head of a pharmaceutical drug company that's pushing stuff on people that's killing people and you know it is and you're hiding it.
02:48:58.000If you're a person who's involved in the trafficking of, you know, underage sex workers or whatever.
02:50:05.000We're on a team, so we have to defeat the people on the other team.
02:50:08.000So you say horrible things about people on the other team on Twitter, and then people retweet it and post it to you, and you feed off of it.
02:50:15.000I think it's a stupid way to communicate.
02:50:17.000I think it's a stupid way for human beings to think and behave.
02:50:20.000And I think it goes back to what I said before about ideas, that you're not your ideas.
02:50:26.000If you want to talk about ideas, just talk about what the ideas and what you think things should be and this is what you think is going on.
02:50:33.000And have respectful conversations with people that disagree.
02:50:37.000And that's the best way to communicate.
02:51:27.000So I, you know, I... We're in Austin, so there was a point where Lex Friedman was doing all the love will conquer everything stuff.
02:51:36.000And it was pissing me off because it was in the context of, let's say, the Middle East, where I come from, where I know that love doesn't conquer all.
02:51:44.000And so that shtick was getting me angry.
02:51:46.000And so I kind of went after him, not like in a mean way calling him names, but I said, you know, it's kind of infantile to think that love conquers everywhere or something.
02:52:44.000So to your point, that made me feel better because there was like this negativity.
02:52:50.000Even though I'd never met him and I don't know him, I don't like that there's a guy that exists that is in any way upset at something that I said about him.
02:56:50.000And this is like as I've gotten older and wiser and had more experiences in life and thought about things more and more and more, I've decided to engage in as little of that shit as possible.
02:57:00.000So it's interesting because you're interested in a sport that's all about combat and fighting, and yet you live by the motto of the exact opposite of that, which I wonder if many fighters might have that.
02:57:54.000Now you've deprived yourself of your music or your poetry or your art, whatever you do that you really like to do.
02:58:00.000You've deprived yourself of your access to your units of thought that can focus on this positive thing because you're spending time arguing about whatever the fuck it is.
02:58:52.000And sometimes you have to speak in harsh language just to let them know how you actually feel about what's happening.
02:58:59.000For the most part, I don't think it's...
02:59:00.000I don't think it's good in any way, shape, or form.
02:59:02.000And if you're in one of those relationships where you yell at each other and throw things at each other and call each other the worst things possible and then make up, like...
02:59:09.000Well, December 5th, I just celebrated 25 years.
02:59:17.000Yeah, look, it's beautiful to be happy.
02:59:19.000It's beautiful to be in a good relationship, but like all things, like online communication, like interpersonal communication, it takes work.
02:59:28.000And you have to have, you know, a thought, like, this is what I don't want out of my life.
03:01:55.000And that curiosity, that insatiable love of life that makes you open to all these other people who sit in this seat that you say, give it to me.
03:02:06.000And if you didn't have that quality, you could have had all the other qualities.
03:02:09.000If you didn't have that quality, I don't think your show would have been successful.
03:02:49.000And so in doing it for that long, over the course of that immense amount of time talking to people, you just get better at talking to people.
03:03:22.000I don't want to give a number, but it definitely happens.
03:03:25.000It's like you don't know until you talk to someone.
03:03:28.000You can tell some people are bullshitting you, and some people are pushing an agenda, and some people just aren't that good at talking, and they're not compelling, and you can't drag anything out of them.
03:03:36.000Well, this would be a one-time conversation.