In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience podcast, Joe interviews three men who were in the UFO Disclosure Program. They talk about their experiences with UFOs, their first encounters with them, and how they became part of the program.
00:00:17.000Both of you guys were in the program, which is a UFO, that's why I wore my Roswell shirt, UFO Disclosure.
00:00:28.000All about what's going on behind the scenes.
00:00:30.000Why don't you tell everybody before we get started, Jay, tell them what your background is, what you do.
00:00:35.000I'm a retired Master Sergeant from the Air Force, worked 22 years, retired 2007. Started off as an airframe guy, ended up in Intel, and that's when things got strange.
00:00:46.000Had my second duty assignment as an Intel guy and got introduced to the program, and that's how I ended up in the movie.
00:00:55.000Because I had some strange experiences that I could talk about that were unclassified.
00:01:01.000So I came forward, and that's where James founded me.
00:01:04.000And we got along pretty good, and everything's a history from there.
00:01:09.000And, Logan, you were in the documentary as well, so tell everybody what you do.
00:01:16.000So I'm also a retired Master Sergeant from the Air Force.
00:01:20.000Started off as a B-52 crew chief, cross-trained into Intel.
00:01:25.000I retired after 21 and a half, and I ended up being part of the UAP Task Force, and I was one of the first people to come across Jay here and some other people.
00:01:38.000And from that, James found out about me and said, okay, we need to talk.
00:01:45.000So him and Leslie Keen approached me, and I was like, yeah.
00:01:50.000But I kind of got outed by Jay Stratton.
00:01:54.000Everybody was ganging up around him, and he was like, why are you asking me?
00:02:41.000Well, it was just a red orb that came down.
00:02:43.000It looked like it came from the atmosphere, you know, at a distance, and then kept approaching my bedroom window and ended up kind of hovering near the bottom of my street.
00:02:53.000And I was screaming to my parents, you know, there's a strange light outside.
00:02:59.000Nobody responded, so I ran out to get my binoculars, my dad's binoculars, and ran out to the front lawn.
00:03:03.000Finally, my mom was the only one that responded.
00:03:05.000And we both got to see it taken off as it came across the rooftop of my friend Eddie's house at the bottom of the street.
00:03:12.000And that's what she got to see, my mother and I. Did it make any noise?
00:03:41.000It was enough for probably your eye to stand up in it and walk around a little bit.
00:03:46.000Your mother has the exact same recollection of the experience?
00:03:49.000Actually, I've been asked to write a book, so I've got her writing her part of that, and I'll have the same thing.
00:03:55.000I've had another couple of experiences that my family members and other friends will probably write up some.
00:04:01.000And so this was all when you were young, and so you had this memory in your head when you started working for the government, but when were you introduced to the whole idea that this is a real thing?
00:04:14.000Well, I know it's on mission because I just kind of filed away that UFO experience at 10 years old for many years, and I just was kind of even skeptical sometimes about, well, maybe it was just something, you know, an aberration in my mind or eyes or something.
00:04:28.000But anyway, so I got really convinced that this was real when I was at Wright-Patt on a mission, when I was in the program, and we intercepted some calls that literally were speaking about...
00:05:01.000I can pretty much talk about the culture and the presence of the NHI, but I can't talk about, like, weapon systems and the technology they're developing.
00:05:09.000That's all gonna have to be national security stuff because we don't want our enemies to know what we got.
00:05:31.000He had had an interview with them and he was relaying what was talked about in that interview to another individual, probably his boss or somebody that is going to pass it on to the rest of the folks in the group or whatever it is.
00:05:56.000That's the level of stuff that you have to do with an intel guy is you have to be really specific about what you're recording and make sure it's accurate.
00:06:03.000Even whether you believe it or not, what's going on, you have to be able to transcribe that word for word the way it goes.
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00:08:38.000When I picked up the call and started the recording on it, there was some guy that was there at Wright-Patt, and apparently he had been talking to this Eben.
00:08:47.000And he said, yeah, up-to-date session.
00:08:48.000Yeah, we've got some more information you need to hear about.
00:08:54.000He says that there's going to be another meeting and that if we don't return the equipment and the prisoners, there's going to be some bad things happen.
00:09:51.000Yeah, when I was first introduced into the program, one of the very first things they asked me was, do you want to be part of the retrieval program?
00:10:18.000Why do they crash if they're so fucking smart?
00:10:20.000That's always the big question, right?
00:10:22.000Well, I think the new guy on the block, Jake Barber.
00:10:27.000He's describing some of the ways that you can do this psionically.
00:10:30.000I guess the psionic team is going to start showing some of that to the world, that some of these craft are manned and piloted by consciousness.
00:10:39.000And apparently they have a psionics team that can actually get in the headspace of these craft and cause them to land.
00:10:59.000And then there's other ones that are done kinetically, which is more the scary side of it and the ugly side of the program is that what you've got here is it's not so much the military doing this, but the corporate people like Lockheed, Northrop and all these other companies, they treat this stuff as very high value target kind of stuff. they treat this stuff as very high value target kind And it's very valuable for them to get the retrievals.
00:11:19.000So you've got really what amounts to a bunch of treasure hunters that are hired with mercenaries involved as well that go out for these retrievals.
00:11:28.000And that's where Jake Barber comes in is that he sees some of these people that are hired to come out and retrieve this stuff and he's done that.
00:11:33.000So the idea would be that the retrievals would be very valuable because you could back engineer the tech, figure out how it works, make weapon systems, make superior crafts.
00:11:43.000How long has this supposedly been going on for?
00:12:24.000But if you look at some of the stuff like Gary Nolan said about how even at the very molecular level, these things are organized very minutely.
00:12:32.000So you can imagine what even a flow of electricity...
00:12:35.000If it affects it wrong or it's at the right wavelength, it does break down the electrical current and the electromagnetic or whatever drive that they might have.
00:12:45.000And that seems to be what happened at Roswell is that they actually accidentally went in and were just sweeping like a radar and it caused this craft to crash.
00:13:18.000Someone gave me an analogy to say, think of it as there's a type of metal that is totally non-magnetic, but as soon as you put a current through it...
00:13:33.000You're in Roswell, you're cruising along, you're checking out, everybody doing their thing.
00:13:37.000And then, because remember, that night there was a huge electrical storm.
00:13:41.000That's one of the big things they keep talking about.
00:13:43.000If one of those things gets hit, and all of a sudden they slam together because now they're magnetic, and then they bounce off, and that's why you had one that landed in Roswell area and the one that landed somewhere else.
00:13:59.000Now, I've never been able to figure out if that's the actual truth.
00:14:03.000But the two most likely possibilities is that one and what Jay just said.
00:14:09.000There's actually another person that was approached by the same race of NHI. And this guy says that they actually recounted what happened, is that they thought they were attacked by a directed energy weapon.
00:14:22.000And then they quickly found out that no, this was just accidental and that this was some sort of a radar system that just caused their onboard computer to go haywire for just that second enough to cause the crash to happen.
00:14:34.000Trevor Burrus It almost doesn't make sense to me because like if you're going to go visit an uncontacted tribe in the Amazon, you would assume that they have weapons.
00:14:42.000You'd assume they have bows and arrows.
00:14:43.000And if you got hit with an arrow, you'd be like, this is crazy.
00:14:47.000You know, I can't believe I got shot by an arrow.
00:14:49.000But you wouldn't be surprised that they have arrows.
00:14:51.000Like, you would probably write, hey, man, we should be real careful that they might have arrows.
00:14:56.000So if you're visiting the human race, and you're so advanced that in 1947, you can come here from wherever, another planet, another dimension, whatever you're doing, wouldn't you know about radar?
00:15:07.000And wouldn't you have, like, a system to prepare yourself for storms?
00:15:11.000Yes, and that's something that might...
00:15:13.000I've taken them by surprise because you're talking about 1950s.
00:16:13.000It just seems dumb that Radar could take them out.
00:16:15.000But one of the things about the Virginia crash, which is another James Fox documentary, which is excellent, which is all about the crash in Brazil, which is heavily documented, including the guy who handled the body wound up dying of some unknown bacterial illness that they have no idea what it was.
00:18:15.000Well, it seems like if you want to go and do something, anything, like you want to explore the universe, you want to accomplish things, you want to make technology, it almost seems like some kind of self-acknowledgement or some kind of ego has to be present.
00:18:29.000Otherwise, there's no motivation to do anything.
00:18:31.000This was the question about artificial intelligence.
00:18:33.000We were talking about this and I said, but if artificial intelligence doesn't have any human needs, it doesn't have the desire to spread its DNA, it doesn't have the desire to achieve status, why would it do anything?
00:18:45.000Why wouldn't it just sit there and just observe and just watch us be stupid?
00:18:48.000And maybe it would say logically it would interfere if we were about to blow each other up or something crazy like that.
00:18:56.000But other than that, why would it do anything?
00:18:58.000Why would it have any desire to take over?
00:20:00.000There's a very delicate process where advanced life forms like ourselves are experiencing this new technology, and a lot of the people that are in possession of the technology aren't even the ones who created it.
00:20:15.000So they have all this insane responsibility, but they've done none of the work, and they have power over this technology, which is where we find ourselves today, which is real weird.
00:20:27.000All intelligent life goes through as it's evolving all throughout the universe.
00:20:42.000And they realize, oh, that took like four billion years to make intelligent life that could figure out cell phones.
00:20:47.000And these dipshits blew each other up.
00:20:49.000And now there's nothing but microbes and it's going to take billions of years and it might not even work because they might be too far from the sun by then.
00:20:58.000So let's prevent these territorial primates from killing each other.
00:21:04.000Maybe that's a thing that they do throughout the universe, like farmers.
00:21:07.000Make sure the wolves don't eat the calves.
00:21:10.000Just protect it until it gets to this next stage.
00:21:14.000I have to say that on mission, I did get that feeling that no matter where the NHI were mentioned, it was not a copacetic, free-for-all exchange of technologies at all.
00:21:23.000It was very controlled by the NHI. If there was a lab environment, the NHI demanded that no human be in the lab while they're there or watch what they're doing and record what they're doing.
00:21:35.000And then they would leave and then the humans could come in.
00:21:38.000So it's a very precarious little game they're playing.
00:21:41.000So how long have they supposedly been having these interactions with NHIs?
00:21:51.000I like just calling them aliens or whatever.
00:21:54.000Yeah, I think it happened in the Eisenhower days, you know, that that's when it really started to come because that's when they were saying that this...
00:22:01.000The UFO came to Holman and landed and actually talked to the president at the time and all that stuff.
00:24:35.000If we're going to expand out into the universe, which is what Elon Musk says, the fact that we don't have to bring water with us, that's huge.
00:24:49.000Bro, imagine if it's like filled with crazy minerals and you drink a glass of Mars water and you just feel incredible and then we have to ship Mars water from Mars back to L.A. That's a war right there.
00:25:14.000But those are the kind of things you write, though, that that's kind of how we are.
00:25:17.000It's that we're very curious about what's on that planet and how we can utilize the resources that are there, like the water and everything else.
00:26:15.000If we do find out that Mars at one point in time housed biological life or maybe there's microbial life or something like that that still exists on Mars, just the climate is so harsh it can't advance past that stage.
00:26:28.000That alone would just change our whole view of the universe itself because we would start to consider, okay, maybe this isn't just this one thing that happened.
00:26:37.000Maybe the Fermi paradox is just that we don't have the ability to detect all these things that are out there.
00:26:42.000Or maybe they really do pass by and keep their doors closed.
00:26:58.000Everything else, you know, does normal stuff.
00:27:01.000They fight over resources, but that kind of makes sense biologically.
00:27:04.000Honestly, after my experience in the program, I found that it seems the more I think about it, the more that they are very much like us in a lot of ways.
00:27:15.000Probably a world government that we do not have.
00:27:18.000In other words, they can get along in their own society much better than we can and their former government is not all broken up.
00:27:23.000I think if you branch out into the solar system and then into the galaxy, like as you start spreading out, if you do become some sort of an interstellar species, you kind of have to be united as a planet, right?
00:27:35.000You got to go, look at all this bullshit about this country and that country.
00:28:07.000Well, if you get to a point where everybody's so advanced that we don't have all of the same greed and lust and all the bullshit that ruins human society, if aliens get to that point, then it only makes sense that they would operate.
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00:31:17.000Is this the only kind of way life evolves or are there planets that are just radically different than our planet and life forms in a completely different way?
00:31:27.000Yeah, I would think that that's true also, is that there's exceptions to the rule, just like there are here on Earth.
00:31:58.000So if this is what's left, maybe some of those unique things that were out there, they're something similar.
00:32:04.000Because one of the things that I ponder is there's got to be some grand design because when we see these aliens, whether they talk about it's a gray, it's a Nordic, it's a draconian, or if it's a mantis, they're all standing upright.
00:32:21.000So is that a part of the grand design that is as intelligent as you get further up the food chain?
00:32:27.000You start to stand on your two legs and whatever.
00:32:30.000And then I think about if it's a mantis, whatever, how do they build their ships if they don't really have opposable thumbs?
00:32:37.000Those are the things that we're always taught.
00:32:39.000These are the things that make us unique as humans and we can build things and that's why the other animals didn't...
00:32:45.000The only other animal out there is what?
00:32:47.000The chimpanzee or the gorilla or something?
00:34:36.000That makes sense, because the harder shell would prevent that limb from continuing to grow.
00:34:39.000But it just seems like that's a superior form of a structure.
00:34:44.000So if you get to the point where technology is all done with the mind, right?
00:34:49.000We've developed artificial intelligence and quantum computing and the being has been generated over genetic engineering to the point where it no longer has to have sex to recreate new versions of itself.
00:35:05.000And so instead, the way they procreate is they do it...
00:36:08.000While I was talking to Jack Sarfati about it, there was a craft that did have some place where the hands were in there, but it was only to sort of do some minor adjustments for the craft, is what he was describing, and other people have described, you know...
00:38:22.000And I have a question about all those things because if they can get into our minds...
00:38:28.000My thing is that how do you know that that's not what they're putting into your head?
00:38:33.000Because, like, what they experienced at a Skinwalker Ranch when they saw the creature on the top floor, they said as they approached it, they started feeling fear.
00:38:45.000And as they approached it further, the fear just kept intensifying to the point where it was like a physical change in the temperature.
00:38:52.000So if someone can put fear into you, why can't they put love into you and all these different things?
00:38:57.000And I'm not saying that it's not genuine, but part of being on the task force, you have to question everything.
00:39:12.000There's a crazy documentary called Holy Hell, and it's about this guy who was a cult leader.
00:39:18.000And one of the things that he would do to these people, he was a hypnotist too, but one of the things he would do to these people, he called it the knowing.
00:39:25.000And he would put his hands on them, and they would say that they would experience God.
00:39:32.000It was a thing that was very difficult to get.
00:39:34.000He had to approve you for it and all these people wanted it and they never got it.
00:39:38.000It was like a thing he held over your head.
00:39:39.000And then when he actually did it, even though this guy turned out to be a complete fraud and the cult disbanded, all those people talk about that moment when they had that experience with that guy and they say it really happened.
00:39:51.000Because the human mind is weird, right?
00:39:53.000And if a person can do that to you by touching you, it just makes sense that some like super advanced being would say like, what is the best?
00:40:02.000Feeling that I could give to this primitive entity that's studying me to let me know, like, don't blow me up, don't fuck with me.
00:40:45.000That's why I came forward, is that I was hearing stuff that actually brought concern.
00:40:51.000And the way I kind of package that up is that the military happens to be, unfortunately, the face of humankind here in this situation when it comes to the program.
00:41:03.000Because it's definitely not the public.
00:41:05.000We're just, you know, errantly having people come forward with, I got abducted, or I saw this and I saw that.
00:41:11.000But in the military, that seems to be where there is an interface going on.
00:41:59.000And my answer was, we don't need you anymore.
00:42:03.000Because so many groups now have caught on that if they attune themselves to whatever it is, they can talk to these things directly themselves.
00:42:12.000Now, whether it's good or bad, but because of the badness that has transpired over the years, more and more people, like you, you said you don't trust the government.
00:42:23.000There's people, they don't trust the government at all in this other thing.
00:42:27.000So they're like, let's reach out by ourselves.
00:42:30.000You've got people doing, you know, RV and out-of-the-body experience and all that other stuff.
00:42:35.000You've got people that are being contacted directly.
00:43:13.000So when you're saying that all these people have figured out these methods, how to communicate with the aliens, what you're talking about is like people sitting down, this is something I'm hearing a lot lately, sitting down and supposedly summoning them, putting out like an intention and that they will come.
00:44:16.000And I sat there and I go, why is it that we're so, you know, reserved about going?
00:44:23.000And I remember something that someone told me was, when the woo happens, you embrace it.
00:44:30.000You don't run towards it because whatever that experience is, it was probably meant for somebody else, and now you're interfering when you run towards it.
00:44:38.000Right, so if you summon the UFO, like if they come to visit you, that's meant to happen to you.
00:45:31.000But there was something that was said in there that always made me think.
00:45:35.000After you have a first experience, and in this particular case there was talking about your first orgasm, you're always chasing after that first...
00:45:52.000So if you're one of those people that had a really profound experience with a creature from another world, you can't really explain it to everybody else.
00:46:03.000So you're looking for something else to make it seem real because you start questioning everything that you know.
00:46:12.000My first experience was when I was a kid in England, and me and a friend were just throwing the ball back and forward.
00:46:19.000And you know, in the old days, people used to wrap the sneakers around the telephone lines.
00:46:23.000So I just happened to see that there were some sneakers up there.
00:46:27.000And then all of a sudden, I look off in the distance, and there's this UAP UFO that looks like an iron that you would iron your clothes with.
00:47:54.000So I believe, and this is just my belief, not anybody's, but I believe from the mid-19...
00:48:04.000All the way up to the mid-1990s, I think there was a deliberate attempt by these entities to reach out to school children and going to the schools.
00:48:15.000Because remember the rule of Zimbabwe?
00:52:15.000We don't know if they're, you know, dumbing them down because they know that these kids are going to be the ones that are going to make a difference.
00:53:34.000I think for a lot of people that have had these crazy experiences, they probably had some moments where they told people, friends, and they got mocked, and people called them liars.
00:54:14.000And too many people, it's like they're mentally ill.
00:54:17.000And what I mean by mentally ill is like if you're on Twitter 12 hours a day and you're constantly tweeting before you go to bed, you're mentally ill.
00:54:25.000You might not think you're mentally ill.
00:54:26.000Just like when you're an alcoholic, you're mentally ill.
00:54:28.000If you're a gambling addict, you're mentally ill.
00:54:37.000You're mentally ill if you're on Twitter all day just arguing with people.
00:54:40.000It's just the nature of the technology and the very crude way that people interact with each other, which leads you to think that as technology evolves and it gets to the point where we're communicating.
00:54:52.000Through telepathy, telepathically, like supposedly they can.
00:54:56.000It sort of eliminates the need to even know our language.
00:54:59.000They can just come and give us thoughts and express things in a pure way without the need to decipher it through syntax.
00:55:08.000But there's still the worry of misinterpretation because my family was pretty religious.
00:55:14.000And when I was growing up, they were like, God is omnipotent.
00:55:21.000That's not exactly true, but if you think that God is omnipotent and he's communicating with everybody, how is it that all the leaders that serve a church have different views on how we're supposed to talk to God?
00:55:46.000Very random things that have happened in other encounters, but there's some of them that do seem to have a concerted effort, a prolonged effort for maybe even millennia, because we do see old stone, ancient monuments and monoliths that do have these depictions of what look exactly like greys.
00:56:56.000And they took the time to draw these things with these like weird...
00:57:01.000Helmets on and these big black eyes, which is very similar to so many different encounters that people have.
00:57:09.000They all describe a very similar thing, a big head with giant black eyes.
00:57:16.000So those are the typical grays, but I heard in South America there were people that they showed that picture to, and they called them the ant people because they said they came from underground.
00:58:29.000And the reason why I'm bringing that up is because a friend of mine contacted me, a mutual friend that we talked about.
00:58:38.000He was talking about something known as the Dover Demon, and it's over by Dover, Delaware.
00:58:44.000And there was supposed to be an incident where a UAP came down and there was a creature, and it looked a lot like the Varginia creature with the red eyes and whatever.
01:00:44.000I don't remember what he did, but he was a very smart guy, blue-collar guy, and lived in this very modest house, and he had this story of this thing that flew into his yard and through his house, and he said it was a small orb, and he said it seemed to be communicating with him.
01:04:13.000And we would put them out in the public.
01:04:16.000And my thing was that I had to tell them that they are a news reporter.
01:04:23.000And that someone had just seen a UFO and had an encounter with an alien right there in Hollywood, but the person who was the witness took off.
01:04:36.000Would you be willing to go on camera and say it was you?
01:09:03.000I mean, there's something about it, right?
01:09:05.000Like, what is that something about it?
01:09:08.000This kind of falls into the area, too, of when you do see a UAP, something about it is what's telling you that it's a UAP, but you're also looking in your mind's memory bank to say, This is fake.
01:09:22.000This can't be real because it's not doing X. It's not doing whatever.
01:09:27.000And then sometimes you end up going, it's just not real.
01:09:39.000Or you see something about it, something weird about it that just triggers you and you're like, oh, OMG. And now...
01:09:48.000Your whole view on the whole universe is changing because you're like, I did see that.
01:09:54.000That's one of the litmus tests I give people because I have a lot of people that ask me, can you vet this guy?
01:09:59.000He says he's had an encounter and then I kind of go through the experience because the one that I had in the desert, there was a telepathic kind of a thing that happened during that conversation I had with that gentleman in the desert and there's parts of that that people...
01:10:16.000They actually know about, like the residual data or information that's left behind in your own mind because you're sharing a mind space and things like this.
01:10:25.000And there are certain things that when I ask questions of people that, you know, sometimes I can tell right then and there, you weren't there.
01:10:32.000You know, that's not a real experience.
01:10:34.000But the people that do describe it, and I know that they're telling the truth, there's certain characteristics about that communication type that you only get when you've been talking, no kidding, telepathically.
01:10:51.000There's certain things, like, in your field, like if you ran into a dude at the airport that was a faker, you know, there's a lot of guys who have put on, like, fake military outfits and pretend, and then they get questioned by real military.
01:11:39.000Right, and then I was like, so I did the basics, and then I called up David Grush, and I was like, boy, do I have a doozy for you.
01:11:49.000I can't do anything with this guy because there's not enough here for me to do a thorough background check, but boy, you've got to listen to what this guy has to say.
01:11:59.000And from there, David took it on, and I was like, he came back to me and goes, Well, this guy looks to be the real deal.
01:13:01.000Task to do is, you know, say a commander at Wright-Patterson, you know, we went to do, it's always a two-week mission mostly, unless it's part of an operation like Desert Storm, and you stay for a month or two, and then you change out teams.
01:13:16.000So we go two weeks to Wright-Patterson.
01:13:18.000We gather all the information we can on all the telecommunications means, and we also have an OSI team that's trying to sneak in the doors and get into the facilities they shouldn't be at just to test the security.
01:13:47.000For those kind of things, we don't do the telephone monitoring.
01:13:50.000When we go up range to the test range at Nellis, that was what we called red forcing.
01:13:57.000And what our job was there is we were also trained to do combat ops against our own pilots so that we could help them survive in a wartime environment.
01:14:07.000And that was done at the top of Black Mountain.
01:15:53.000So this is being taken, this video is being taken by one of these cameras that's up on the range.
01:15:58.000And along the bottom you see that this is also trying to lock on to the craft so it can...
01:16:04.000You know, follow it as it goes in and out because this is the kind of way that you want to track if there's a craft that is having problems.
01:17:24.000So the following week after this happens, this video is taken, the ranking guy who had been there the week before and saw this thing flying.
01:17:34.000He takes us in this, when you go on the range through this one gate here, it goes up a little ways, and then there's a cantonment area.
01:17:41.000It's got a very small place where you can change your tires, get gas, you know, minor maintenance to get your butt home if you have a car that's busted.
01:17:51.000And then in the back of that cantonment area, there's two huts that look like campers, really, glorified campers.
01:17:57.000So the video operators are in the one that's off to the north.
01:18:02.000East of the cantonment, in the very corner of it.
01:18:06.000And the ranking guy just says, we all have to go in here.
01:18:09.000We're going to go talk to the video operators.
01:18:12.000And this was because the week prior, everybody came back to garrison, or back to our unit, and they had seen this thing, and they were all talking about this UFO. So we go in there, and there's the video operator.
01:18:25.000He has us all write our names down, whether we were there and saw it the first.
01:18:51.000So I was like, well, what was that all about?
01:18:52.000But then as I'm exiting, this lady that had been sitting against the wall on the far part of this little hut that we were in, And she, like, grabs my arm and she just says, there's somebody on the range.
01:19:13.000So we all hop out, we get in the vehicles, and then start taking off towards Quartz Mountain because right at that cantonment area, there's a hard right.
01:19:20.000There's a hard right that goes off to Quartz Mountain.
01:19:23.000And about a mile, half a mile to a mile down that road, it's all dirt road, by the way.
01:20:19.000I need to give him something to get warm real quick.
01:20:21.000So I'm starting to do that, and we're approaching, and by the time I get my jacket most of the way off, he's right there at the corner of the front of the car.
01:20:34.000He looks like an albino with a very bluish kind of undertone.
01:20:38.000So you're immediately associating that with he's freezing.
01:20:43.000Yeah, because that's all I could equate it to.
01:20:46.000And then as I'm starting to open my door to try to administer aid to this guy, the dude in the front passenger seat screams he's got no ears.
01:21:46.000And I'm starting to freak out, but then he starts to talk to me, and it's not my language, but the understanding is coming into my mind about every word he's saying.
01:23:50.000Yeah, tritium is, that's the stuff that's in Loom.
01:23:53.000Like in your watch, when your watch glows, that's, you know, they make those where they, they're basically radioactive isotopes that stay lit.
01:24:03.000So like if you get like a Marathon watch, Marathon makes military watches and it doesn't need, like this watch, you need the light.
01:25:42.000Because not only did I see this guy running towards us and talking to him, but off the shoulder on the north side of the roadway, that's where the craft was just resting on the desert floor.
01:25:53.000And I got a really good look at it at that point.
01:25:56.000And this guy did a 3D rendering of the description.
01:26:02.000And it's like, it's spot on as I've ever seen.
01:26:29.000I mean, honestly, I'm not an easy guy to get freaked out, but that really put that, like, you just saw an alligator pop up out of the water kind of thing.
01:26:49.000So I was like, well, where else can I possibly point him to?
01:26:52.000Because I'm like, I don't know any metallurgists or whatever.
01:26:55.000So I'm thinking to myself, and I related to him, I said, well, I'm taking college classes down in the city of Vegas, Las Vegas, at the community college, but I have a geophysical professor that I'm taking a class from.
01:27:13.000Maybe he has a metallurgist friend, and he's like, oh.
01:27:15.000So you're thinking at this time, though, it's a metal.
01:27:57.000And I get back in the car, and sometime during that conversation with this entity, I remember looking over at my friends in the car, and they had the weirdest look on their face, like they were all zonked out.
01:28:13.000They were just drooling on themselves.
01:28:14.000Were they just because they were flabbergasted?
01:28:17.000Or was it because something was going on?
01:28:20.000Well, I figured out that maybe it was done by this entity because none of them seem to even remember the incident.
01:28:28.000Only a few people seem to remember that we stopped, that we had talked to somebody on the roadway, but it was mainly the people that were in the back of the convoy.
01:28:35.000So they didn't see it up close like you did?
01:29:57.000And as soon as I did that, the guy just disappears and ghosts me.
01:30:01.000And I can't, I don't know what happened.
01:30:04.000But he was the ranking guy in the car.
01:30:06.000The guy that was the passenger, nobody can seem to find him because they did try to verify the people in the car and I gave the names.
01:30:13.000And the young lady that was off to my right, I don't know if they contacted her, but I've heard from other people that were part of this background investigation about my story.
01:30:23.000They found two people that verified my story.
01:31:33.000It described some of the nano-channeling of electrical and electromagnetic stuff that was flowing through it that caused these toroidal...
01:31:43.000Energies to emanate on both sides of this piece of the equipment.
01:31:47.000So you, because it was describing it to you, you all of a sudden had access to all this information, like you downloaded it into your head.
01:31:55.000It was like me, if you and I were telepathic and we were talking about a science project.
01:31:59.000And he just uploaded all the information.
01:32:01.000Yeah, and I could just give you all that instead of talking it out.
01:32:14.000Because in the forum, we have scientists and stuff like that that, yes, were very interested to get me in a room and talk to me about this.
01:32:23.000I had people from DARPA wanting to talk to me, people from threats, departments all over the place that wanted to know more.
01:32:33.000And even when I talked to Jack Serafati and Gary Nolan about this stuff, I was telling them things before they even opened their mouth about, like when I talked to Gary and Nolan, I just said, you got that part and you know that it has that nano-sized atomic level layering that can't be reproduced unless you actually physically are putting these atoms one at a time next to each other.
01:32:57.000And he's like, yeah, yeah, that's it, you know.
01:33:00.000So I'm telling him this and he already knew.
01:33:07.000What I'd been given in my head, he was giving me that high sign that, yes, that's exactly what I analyzed, is that piece of material I had.
01:33:15.000It sounds just like what this guy described to you and gave to you telepathically, that there's these really minute little things that create toroidal forces.
01:33:24.000They're doing things at a very small level.
01:33:28.000And then I talked to Jack Serafati later, and he's got all these fantastical physics equations about how things work.
01:33:36.000And I'm looking through his documents, and no, I can't do the math, but I can understand what he's doing with it.
01:33:42.000And I just flat out asked him, I said, so the smaller you get, because there's always that resistance level when it comes to, you know, putting in energy and then losing it due to, you know, atrophy and all these other, or is that the right word for it?
01:33:57.000Anyway, the whole thing was just that when you get smaller, it actually reverses itself.
01:34:03.000Is that now you get even more power out of things if you have a small enough energy source that works at a very...
01:34:10.000It's kind of like miniaturizing a fusion device of some kind.
01:34:15.000And so did you talk to someone from DARPA? You said these people wanted to talk to you?
01:35:41.000And then he leaves when he realizes that, you know, maybe there's some other venues, maybe me mentioning that there might be a metallurgist on staff somewhere that maybe that prompted him to think, oh, yeah, maybe I should go research this or that, and then maybe I'll find somebody that I could talk to.
01:35:57.000Something like that may have happened.
01:35:59.000Did you get a sense of where this thing was from?
01:36:03.000Yeah, there was a star map from that day, but it also relates to the lunch hour after we started going back up to Black Mountain.
01:36:10.000I had a very strong compunction to go eat my lunch outside, even though it was deathly cold.
01:36:16.000And I don't know what prompted me to do that again.
01:36:19.000Maybe he was giving me a telepathic message.
01:36:21.000But after I walked about 150 feet down the road, the dirt road, from the top of Black Mountain, I don't remember what happened after that.
01:36:28.000All I have are two images that keep on flashing back.
01:36:31.000I remember seeing the schoolhouse from about 150 feet above or 200 feet above the schoolhouse.
01:37:56.000And then the strangest thing about this, this is what I'm talking about when it comes to telepathy, when you're sharing that mind space, there's some residue memory there.
01:38:04.000Because Dave kept pressing me on it, and he said, can you tell me about the red star?
01:38:27.000And then we just went on from there and he said, did you know that they've actually just now discovered a few years ago that there are exoplanets around that star?
01:40:06.000But on top of that, there was this part of him that he left me with that was part of the community of the consciousness that he is able to feel all the time.
01:40:15.000And that has never left me, is that there's a community of consciousness out there that when they've been living for so many years, With this sort of ability, it has changed them for the better because their minds are under control finally.
01:40:32.000Their emotions aren't running them like you were talking about addictions and things like this.
01:40:35.000They don't run their lives like that anymore because of it.
01:40:38.000And if you do, they end up on a criminal list somewhere, I would imagine.
01:40:43.000But ever since then, that feeling of peacefulness and civility is what I've strived for.
01:41:16.000Most people are going to think you're ridiculous.
01:41:19.000Well, yeah, and honestly, that's why I need people to back me up on it, because...
01:41:23.000This is the thing that we're trying to do with the whistleblowers.
01:41:26.000We all kind of know each other, just like Lowe would tell you, or not Lowe, but just like Logan would tell you, just that I call them Lowe for short sometimes.
01:41:54.000But the more we seem to be coming out now that we've got these few weeks now where we've got folks like, you know, Jake Barber and folks like that coming forward.
01:42:01.000Now I'm starting to piece things together in my mind because now I'm hearing his side of the story because I didn't want to be part of the retrieval.
01:42:13.000You know, now I'm making those conclusions now because of what he said.
01:42:18.000But then if you try to put us all in a room...
01:42:21.000We're all deathly scared that, you know, some jerk is going to come out of the Department of Defense and shoot us all or do a drone strike on us and kill us all and just have done with it and then get on with our lives again.
01:42:33.000So you've got this problem here with us coming forward in a group.
01:42:39.000You're really worried that much that someone would try to take you out?
01:42:42.000They've already messed with my clearance.
01:42:43.000They've already shown me that they can break into my car on the NSA campus.
01:44:08.000And here they are treating these people like they're just some kind of a lab experiment.
01:44:13.000Let's chop him up a little more, you know?
01:44:14.000And then, you know, if they ever got approached by the people that came to look for them afterwards, I wouldn't want to be the person that answered them.
01:44:22.000Well, I'm sorry we chopped up your buddy.
01:44:24.000We had an interesting talk about this.
01:44:26.000There's a video online where it shows like some gray kind of strung up and they're asking him questions and whatever.
01:44:37.000If you were in NHI and you saw that, and this is what the humans are broadcasting, sorry, and this is what the humans are broadcasting, I said, I'd be like, yo.
01:45:14.000But we've always assumed that they've got the same type of- Some type of emotions a lot like us, but maybe they're much more controlled, much more refined.
01:45:33.000Well, honestly, when I had the telepathic experience, it was very difficult for me to distinguish what emotions and feelings were coming from me as opposed to him.
01:45:42.000It was very obvious when he felt disgust about going to ask about things because I was like...
01:46:20.000I think that was where they probably are trying to bury it even amongst themselves because they know they made some very bad mistakes about that first confrontation that could have been a lot better than what happened.
01:46:32.000So the general consensus is that this is a real event.
01:47:43.000But, you know, like, after the program came out, I mean, not came out, but after James Fox finished editing everything, he said, well, you haven't seen everything.
01:48:58.000I don't know what he was doing, but he was doing this.
01:49:00.000The sun was just coming up, and I'm eating a Philly cheesesteak, and the other guy with me is eating a hoagie, and the other guy that's standing up over the top, I'm like, anybody know what that is?
01:49:52.000And what happened was I got to my unit and I talked to them and I go, we have a weapons tactics guy.
01:50:00.000You know, they're the best of the best and they're leading the group.
01:50:04.000And I was like, so what is that thing out there?
01:50:06.000And he goes, I have no idea what you're talking about.
01:50:09.000Now, this is in January of 1990. That picture is August of 1990. And what I didn't realize was that the Belgian wave, I don't know if you're familiar with that, a whole bunch of triangular devices were seen over Belgium for almost a whole year.
01:50:25.000So they just call it the Belgian wave.
01:53:00.000Did you see the Trump administration address the drones today?
01:53:04.000We heard about it, but I didn't see it.
01:53:06.000Yes, I had a friend tell me they made an announcement, but we were getting in the car at the time.
01:53:10.000Essentially, they said it was all ours, and there was some sort of scanning that was done that was approved, and the other ones were hobbyists.
01:54:09.000She said it came down slow, low over her house, and then it went back up, and then she said it looked like it went back into formation with something else.
01:54:17.000And she said, that's not any drone I know of.
01:54:21.000And she said it sounded like the actual noise of the helicopter and several of the other noises from the drones were all prerecorded.
01:54:29.000Just to make them sound like they were a conventional aircraft.
01:54:33.000And those are the same things I've been hearing, too, because a lot of people are shoving videos at me a lot in their descriptions of things.
01:54:40.000And some of the stuff, you know, looked like maybe it could be a spotlight from a helicopter, and then when the light moved, then you could finally see the helicopter behind the light.
01:54:49.000Then there was these other ones that was like, this is really weird.
01:55:24.000And then later on, there was a report that DHS said, Oh, one of the drones has come down in a mall parking lot, but DHS has assessed it's just a regular drone.
01:55:38.000So when you hear that, what are you thinking?
01:55:45.000Someone on X is on a train going by that exact same spot, and they show a drone next to two police cars, and this thing is as big as the police car.
01:55:56.000And I'm like, so I have no way of confirming if that's what it really was.
01:57:01.000Can you find the video of the disclosure today?
01:57:08.000While he's talking about the disclosure, the one thing I do want to mention is when I talked to that AWACS group, I thought it was kind of interesting because I said, so how many know about this?
01:57:21.000And he goes, the whole squadron knows about it.
01:57:30.000And I was like, so this is an AWAC. And I said, am I to assume that if you're British AWACS, then American AWACS can see it, French AWACS can see it, NATO AWACS can see it.
01:57:49.000And before I turn to questions, I do have news directly from the President of the United States that was just shared with me in the Oval Office.
01:57:57.000From President Trump directly, an update on the New Jersey drones.
01:58:01.000After research and study, the drones that were flying over New Jersey in large numbers were authorized to be flown by the FAA for research and various other reasons.
01:58:13.000Many of these drones were also hobbyists, recreational, and private individuals that enjoy flying drones.
01:58:20.000In time, it got worse due to curiosity.
02:00:16.000Most of us that are in the intelligence community or whatever, we're going to look at it and say something's not quite right here because this is something domestic happening over the U.S. So would it really require a SCIF? Especially if it's authorized.
02:00:44.000To me, dictates the fact that if this was innocuous and unclassified, like you're saying, why was there not a press conference that described it and said the hobbyists are out there flying too and they're just kind of interfering with our lanes where we go and fly normally between one place to another?
02:01:18.000Yeah, there's still the problem with these drones popping up all over the world, especially over military facilities, and that part's not being addressed.
02:01:27.000It's just the other stuff that they...
02:01:36.000And then there's reports of stuff in Australia.
02:01:38.000There's reports of things in other places in the world.
02:01:40.000Let me ask you this and tell me if this makes sense.
02:01:43.000If you were the government and you knew that there were non-human intelligence that were operating vehicles above our cities, would a way to sort of obfuscate that, to launch a bunch of our drones as well?
02:01:59.000And have some shit that you could explain and then tell people, don't worry about it.
02:02:23.000Honestly, I thought that's what it was about.
02:02:25.000And then they have, what, looking for HVTs like...
02:02:29.000Looking for terrorist groups because I think at that time it went through the press that there was over a thousand of these jihadists that were in our midst.
02:03:27.000That's the one part that I find very confusing is just like if it's happening in Europe and China and all these other places, what really is going on?
02:03:33.000You could have just did a NOTAM and just said, hey, we're going to be doing a test in this area.
02:03:37.000Don't want to scare anybody, whatever.
02:03:40.000But we're just going to test in this area.
02:04:08.000Look, assuming you guys are completely accurate about all this, if they have had this information for a long time...
02:04:15.000I would assume that there's a lot of pressure to never release it.
02:04:19.000I think there's probably a lot of problems with lying to Congress, lying to Congress about budgets and allocation of resources for these programs that are all top secret.
02:04:38.000That if you've been in contact with non-human intelligence and you have retrieved crafts, who are you to keep that from the rest of the world?
02:05:03.000In the film, when James Fox asked me about that, well, why are you doing it, you know, kind of a thing.
02:05:08.000And I was like, well, I feel like this is the right of every man, woman, and child on the face of the earth to know the truth about we're not alone.
02:05:16.000That has nothing to do with the weapon systems and the classified parts that I know of.
02:05:20.000But the fact that we're not alone, shouldn't that be something that everybody should be invited to make their own decision on?
02:05:28.000But I would also imagine if you wanted to keep your job, if you have a high intelligence clearance and you're working for the government and you're a long-time career employee of the government, you want to keep moving up the ladder and keep your fucking mouth shut.
02:05:40.000Right, and that's where people have to make that decision on their own.
02:05:43.000Have they seen enough malfeasance to want to report it?
02:07:42.000Dr. Eric Davis and Hal Putoff and others, the graybeards, to look at it and say, okay, here's what we can figure out.
02:07:48.000You know, Gary Nolan and all these people, let's get them the information that they need.
02:07:53.000And then after we get them the information they need, let's get it out to academia so we can have kind of like a more organized approach to finding out what's going on.
02:08:02.000I wanted people to use my app on the drones.
02:08:23.000But anyway, to answer your question about the support, yes, I do get a lot of support.
02:08:27.000There's people like Stephen Diener, there's Digby Furneau and Tom Thompson, there's UFO Sarah that's on X. There's a ton of people that I can mention, let alone how much support James Fox is throwing at me.
02:08:41.000That's what's getting me through this.
02:08:45.000How many different versions of these life forms have been discussed with you?
02:08:51.000On mission, I can say three I know of.
02:09:21.000Well, I can verify the fact that what he said about his position there as a weatherman, that he could walk around anywhere he wanted to because that's what the base commander told me when I got my orientation drive-through on.
02:09:32.000On Dreamland, and he mentioned the weather site, and that person can walk wherever they want to.
02:10:31.000Well, he would actually, as the weather, if you listen to that video, I really encourage you to do that, but Mr. Hall also published some books on it, but he claims that when he was there at this one place that, you know, I can verify it's there, that on the other side of that mountain or that hillside, that's where the trail goes off into where the tall whites are apparently have been given an annex of land to live, where they don't get bothered.
02:10:58.000I mean, it's part of the military complex.
02:11:10.000It does look like there's some circular patterns.
02:11:12.000It does look like there's some possibility that there are some, like, doors inside the mountain that is...
02:11:19.000It looks like it's camouflaged to look like it's part of the mountainside.
02:11:22.000So the idea is that that's a base for them when they visit us?
02:11:26.000Yeah, because apparently, according to Mr. Hall, they come here for a five-year stint, I guess, and they have to refuel, and then they have another ship come through, and the other one's refueled, and it takes off.
02:11:38.000So they're closer in the evolutionary chain to us than some of the other ones.
02:12:19.000The only time I got any inkling was that when I was out of the program and other people started to talk to me about all the different things.
02:12:26.000They're like, well, how many races are there?
02:12:37.000We don't know if it's because of their appearance.
02:12:39.000You know, you would assume something that's reptilian is maybe a demon or whatever in the Nordic, where the blonde-haired blue-eyed is considered like an angel, or is it that's just our perception?
02:13:52.000Yeah, a reptilian race that does that.
02:13:54.000It just makes you wonder about human history, about the stories of demons and angels.
02:14:00.000And this is what Tucker Carlson believes, that they've always been here, and that this idea that they're coming from another planet, it's not that simple.
02:15:29.000The asteroid that took out the dinosaurs.
02:15:30.000Maybe it was a combination of things like there was some kind of mutation, something that they drank in the water, and all at the same time, maybe the asteroid was the catalyst to start it.
02:15:42.000And then all these other things that happened after, you know, the fireball, all the other stuff.
02:15:48.000But if there was a group that was so advanced that they could sit there and go, that's an asteroid.
02:16:51.000Because even in the Bible it mentions the serpents and that Lucifer being the head of that genre or species did cause the fall of mankind and all this other good stuff.
02:17:03.000So to me, I feel like I just got experience with the reality of the fact that these things exist.
02:17:09.000And even though they try to keep it all hidden, that I got exposed to the program where I could see some of it.
02:18:09.000If you hear any of the stories, they make it sound like he was one of the survivors and he got stuck here and he started working with us and eventually he died in the natural causes.
02:18:23.000But it's all speculation because we're hearing all this stuff but we don't have any way to verify.
02:18:29.000And how many other stories that are similar to that, like the interactions and a thing being here with us, have you heard?
02:18:40.000There's another one that actually escaped from captivity.
02:18:44.000But he actually convinced his interpreter or his interrogator to help him escape because the program was trying to get him to open a portal for them and they wanted the control of it.
02:18:58.000And the guy eventually, the interrogator actually pushed him into the portal and had surreptitiously given him back to his own home world.
02:19:09.000And it ended that guy's career, probably.
02:20:05.000They had recovered parts of one, and they were trying to complete it, and they were trying to get this being to help them complete the portal so that they could use it for their advantage.
02:20:26.000The rumor that I heard surrounding this was that He convinced his interpreter that if he didn't get back and if he didn't get home, really bad things were going to happen.
02:20:41.000And that guy just kind of felt like, you know, hey, I got kids.
02:22:15.000You look at it, you're like, why would Jackie Gleason build a house like this?
02:22:19.000But then you hear that story, you go, well, maybe that's why he did it.
02:22:22.000Because the word was that he had become obsessed with UFOs at one point in his life, and this story came out, I think, as told by his wife.
02:24:51.000Grayish white lights on the underside, on the cardinal corners.
02:24:56.000And then in the back, there was a flat panel that looked like a grill where there was a light that there was like these stack of straight up lights like fluorescent lights are that would go to the right and then to the left.
02:25:26.000One time was going to work, and the other time was in 2022 when I reached out to some of the program folks that I used to know to tell them, hey, there's a space on the top-secret J-Wish computers that they're talking about UFOs.
02:25:41.000And I pointed them directly to this delta-shaped craft because I was like, I know what this is and I know what they know it is.
02:25:52.000So I was trying to let them know that you need to look at this imagery that we have our hands on.
02:25:59.000And ends up, they ended up showing up with it.
02:26:43.000And now it looked fully functional and operational because back in the 90s it was not.
02:26:47.000So this is the other thing that I keep hearing is that we are in possession of technology that is many, many years ahead of anything that anybody could anticipate.
02:26:56.000And when we get that, I call that exotic material and or whatever you want to call it.
02:27:02.000But we get our hands on that, and about every 10 years, we get a breakthrough on it because we do study it, and sometimes somebody is smart enough to figure something out.
02:27:12.000And the next thing you know, we've got fiber optics.
02:27:20.000It's some of this part of this NHI presence in that they've taken a patent that was developed inside the program, and now these people from Lockheed and Northrop are...
02:27:31.000Patenting this stuff and then making lots of money on the outside.
02:27:36.000Other than the beings that we described, are there other ones that people have talked about?
02:27:56.000How many documented different species have you heard of?
02:28:02.000If I'm talking about my mission days, it's only that handful.
02:28:05.000And then if you're talking about other things that I've had other people tell me about, I think I've heard enough from enough people that I trust that I think our concept of life in this universe is totally off.
02:28:19.000I think there are literally trillions of other life forms.
02:28:23.000And anything you can imagine is probably true.
02:28:27.000That's an interesting thing because I always, one of the things that I wondered when we used to talk in the task force was if this is the, you know, we're the alpha species here on Earth.
02:28:37.000So what if what we're seeing is the alpha species from another planet?
02:28:42.000Think about what other critters and other things are running around.
02:28:45.000And maybe if we see something wild and crazy over here, what if it's somebody...
02:28:50.000You know, who's got a dog like Psycho.
02:28:53.000You know, all of a sudden something goes, you're like, what was that?
02:28:57.000So, you know, we can speculate and everything and build all these hypotheses up, but we're constantly looking to add to what we think is out there so we can figure out.
02:29:26.000I would say that the way they appear and disappear is interdimensionalism.
02:29:34.000I've had other friends that have had encounters that have talked to me that they could see a larger craft, and then it turned, and all of a sudden there was a door opening and a creature coming out, and yet this other part of the craft seemed to be like a long way off.
02:29:50.000So it was like interdimensionally large, however, you know.
02:29:55.000When it turns, it's not like our four-dimensional world.
02:29:58.000I've heard of a craft that you go inside of it and it looks like a couple hundred feet on the outside.
02:30:04.000You go inside of it and it's bigger than a football field.
02:30:51.000Tell me that they were seeing some of these things moving at 16,000 miles per hour plus, and we're still accelerating.
02:30:59.000I've never been able to verify that, obviously, but these are some people that seem to know what they're talking about, and, you know, they just kind of come forward.
02:31:09.000I would just have, when I was on the task force, I would just get a phone call and just say, hey, are you Mr. Logan?
02:31:25.000But the idea would be to put it in a little box somewhere to say, hey, this is an unknown.
02:31:30.000And maybe someone like Jason would come along and verify what this guy just told me or verify what I just saw in a video that maybe he can corroborate on.
02:31:41.000We would look at primarily for the task force, we were looking at the safety of the pilots.
02:31:47.000Because they were having so many problems.
02:31:50.000And they kept filling out all those safety reports.
02:31:54.000And I remember asking the task force director, Jay Stratton, I was like, what about all the commercial stuff that's going on?
02:32:01.000And he says, I want to incorporate that, but I can't because with their stuff, we don't have a good chain of custody on what's happening.
02:32:09.000And if someone's manipulating the data with the stuff that's coming directly from the pilots, we can.
02:32:20.000And then me and several others in and outside of the task force were looking through the commercial stuff to see if we could find the same exact thing.
02:32:30.000Because that's how I, when I first got it pulled into the task force, it was, I talked about my app and...
02:32:38.000I was going to do this just to figure out just something for a hobby when I get older, you know, when I grow up.
02:32:43.000And then Lou Elizondo came out with Leslie Keen and their story, and I went and found Lou, and I said, if you're serious about what you're talking about, stop by my office, because I just wanted to see if he could do it.
02:32:56.000And he showed up with the gang, and they presented their story about the pilots and everything, and we were like...
02:33:05.000And I said, well, what about this weird thing over here?
02:33:08.000And they're like, how do you know about that?
02:33:10.000And I was like, I got friends in low places.
02:35:06.000I didn't have the resources to check out everything that he did.
02:35:08.000One of the things that we keep hearing, Christopher Mellon's talked about this, many people talked about this, is there is evidence that's been classified that is high-resolution video and photographs that are very distinct, very different than some of the blurry stuff that we've seen.
02:37:11.000Yeah, because one of the things that I think the community really gets hung up on when it comes to the intel community is that the classification is one thing, but when you don't know if something is a threat...
02:37:22.000You automatically assign a value to that as being credible or not credible.
02:37:26.000And right now they can't draw a conclusion.
02:37:28.000Therefore, they don't want to declassify it.
02:37:30.000Therefore, it will not be divulged in public because of those reasons.
02:37:33.000I was telling him in my – my first thing as an Intel analyst is to go friend or foe.
02:37:42.000And then the next thing I'm trying to do is break down all the characteristics.
02:37:47.000And we would sit there and you're looking.
02:37:51.000When I first joined the task force, I remember there was a group that I used to walk in their office because they're smarter than me.
02:37:58.000So I want to make sure I'm getting the best input.
02:38:01.000And the first couple of times I showed up, everybody pulled out the aluminum hats.
02:38:06.000They started playing the X-Files music.
02:38:09.000And I'm like, okay, guys, but what about this?
02:38:12.000And I throw it out there and they're like, oh, yeah, what is that?
02:38:15.000After about the fourth or fifth visit...
02:38:24.000Because we would, Jay Stratton asked us, he said, lean forward and get out there and use an all-source approach to looking and gathering all the information on what we can find.
02:38:37.000So I would capture, like, I would call up a drone guy and say, I need you to come to my office.
02:38:56.000And he would, Logan, I'll get back to you.
02:38:59.000A couple weeks later, he's like, dude, I got nothing.
02:39:02.000And then, you know, we would have an imagery guy look at it, and, you know, sometimes they could sit there and say, dude, that's this.
02:39:07.000If you had one piece of footage or image to release, would there be one that really stands out?
02:39:14.000Like if they said, look, you could release this one, just one of these classified, high-resolution videos, is there one that really stands out as being unique?
02:40:12.000You have to play devil's advocate because when you're trying to tell guys that they were the observer and you're trying to say, hey, well, you know, it could have been this.
02:40:21.000Some of these guys get downright angry.
02:40:23.000They're pissed because you're questioning their ability to discern what's going on.
02:40:42.000And I'm looking at it, and I just, maybe a couple weeks before I'd heard this story with Fravor and Elizondo, so I'm like, what is this?
02:40:52.000And there was this, all I can say was there was something very, very, very large moving under the water, but not too far that you can't see it, but it's moving under the water, and it's passing objects that...
02:41:09.000I know are really large and this thing is bigger than them.
02:41:33.000The shadow of the moon going across the face of the Earth.
02:41:35.000Somebody did another analysis and they looked at the wavetops and they're like, this is not a shadow, otherwise we show up on the wavetops.
02:42:02.000No, in my opinion, I would say that they have been here a very long time and that underneath the ocean and underneath the ground are two of the best places to stay hidden and out of the way of prying eyes.
02:42:16.000You go out in the booty somewhere or you go...
02:42:19.000There's a whole bunch of activity going on around Puerto Rico.