The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2267

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00:00:13.000 Hello.

00:00:13.000 What's happening, Dave?

00:00:14.000 How much?

00:00:14.000 Good to see you again, man.

00:00:15.000 Good to see you too, Joe.

00:00:16.000 Thanks for the invite.

00:00:17.000 Oh, my pleasure.

00:00:18.000 Thanks for coming on here, man.

00:00:18.000 I really enjoy your videos, Joe.

00:00:20.000 Your website, your channel, rather, on YouTube, D-Dunking, is...

00:00:25.000 It's...

00:00:26.000 It's really great because it's so obvious.

00:00:29.000 It's one of those things where you don't need some big crazy set or high production values to make something interesting.

00:00:37.000 It's just you with a bookshelf behind you talking about stuff, and it's great.

00:00:42.000 Well, thanks.

00:00:42.000 I appreciate that, Joe.

00:00:44.000 I'm very passionate about this stuff, so I'm glad that people are taking notice and that I'm sitting here talking to you right now about it.

00:00:51.000 It's crazy to me.

00:00:52.000 You, like me, We're one of the early readers of Fingerprints of the Gods.

00:00:58.000 And that's sort of how you got into this whole subject, right?

00:01:02.000 Yes.

00:01:02.000 I actually had that one pre-ordered from Hastings because I'd read the sign and the seal.

00:01:08.000 Oh, okay.

00:01:09.000 So I was already like, Graham Hancock's pretty cool.

00:01:11.000 I like the way he's coming at these things.

00:01:12.000 And I saw that there was a thing at Hastings to pre-order Fingerprints of the Gods for like $25 or something.

00:01:20.000 You get like $3 off.

00:01:21.000 And so I did.

00:01:22.000 I was reading it cover to cover when I had Graham sign it and him and Santa both were just looking at how beat to hell it is, right?

00:01:28.000 Because we've been in a construction truck where we've gone job sites for like 20 years.

00:01:32.000 That's awesome.

00:01:33.000 So the sign of the seal, was that about Ethiopia and the Ark of the Covenant?

00:01:38.000 Yeah.

00:01:39.000 What's your take on all that?

00:01:40.000 It's interesting.

00:01:42.000 Anytime they won't let you see the evidence, I get like all of my alarm bells go off, right?

00:01:46.000 But I understand why they wouldn't want you to see it if it really is the Ark.

00:01:51.000 I'd like to see, I guess the best thing we could do to test it without seeing the Ark would be to look into the claims that these guys go blind and they show signs of radiation.

00:02:00.000 Yeah, let's explain to everybody what the claim, that they believe that this one church in Ethiopia actually possesses the Ark of the Covenant and that these priests that are supposedly guarding this, they all exhibit signs of radiation poisoning.

00:02:16.000 Yes, they all just exhibit signs of radiation poisoning.

00:02:19.000 They go blind, they die quickly, and then somebody else, one priest at a time, is allowed to be the caretaker of the ark.

00:02:25.000 How long do they live?

00:02:27.000 They want to say a couple years, something like that.

00:02:29.000 Really?

00:02:29.000 Not very long, yeah.

00:02:31.000 They die pretty quick.

00:02:32.000 Imagine that job.

00:02:34.000 You get that call?

00:02:37.000 How much do I love Jesus?

00:02:40.000 Do I love to get radiation poisoning?

00:02:42.000 This is kind of fucking crazy.

00:02:44.000 Yeah, and it's...

00:02:45.000 But there's a lot of evidence in that book that was really interesting, like the Knights Templar statues and stuff in old Paris cathedrals that would lead Graham to Ethiopia, just all kinds of weird stuff that made it really interesting.

00:03:04.000 Indiana Jones, man.

00:03:05.000 It's like real life kind of Indiana Jones shit.

00:03:08.000 And so I was just anxious for that fingerprints.

00:03:10.000 Well, something that has that much radiation that kills people so quickly, wouldn't that be something that you could measure from outside of the church?

00:03:20.000 You would think that our boys would be all over that shit with the satellites.

00:03:24.000 It'd be like, yeah, that's a spot to watch out for.

00:03:26.000 Send a team.

00:03:26.000 Right, right.

00:03:27.000 Because that was one of the speculations about the New Jersey drones, which was really weird.

00:03:33.000 There was allegedly – this is part of speculation.

00:03:37.000 Allegedly, there was a warhead that was missing from when – what was it?

00:03:43.000 From Ukraine?

00:03:44.000 I think it was from like quite a while ago.

00:03:48.000 So there was a warhead that was not accounted for, a nuclear warhead.

00:03:52.000 And the thought was that somehow or another it had gotten snuck into the United States.

00:03:58.000 And these drones had the capability to scan for gamma radiation and that they were looking for excess gamma radiation, which would indicate that this thing was there.

00:04:09.000 That would make sense.

00:04:10.000 I saw that on Twitter.

00:04:12.000 I saw a few guys talking about it.

00:04:13.000 It would definitely make sense.

00:04:15.000 It's weird that the drones just kind of stopped around Christmas time.

00:04:18.000 Well, not only did they stop, but there was also this...

00:04:23.000 I hesitate to even talk about this because so much of this is horseshit.

00:04:26.000 But there was a lot of speculation on Twitter that there was something that broke up in the atmosphere.

00:04:32.000 And the conspiracy was that this was a Chinese satellite that was controlling those drones.

00:04:39.000 And then the Trump administration recently said, no, there are drones.

00:04:44.000 I mean...

00:04:45.000 Okay, why wouldn't you fucking tell us if they were our drones?

00:04:48.000 You're just flying a bunch of SUV-sized drones over New Jersey for weeks at a time.

00:04:55.000 Yeah, it had to be some reason.

00:04:56.000 Yeah, what was going on?

00:04:58.000 I get you can't tell us everything.

00:05:01.000 I get it.

00:05:03.000 It was weird.

00:05:04.000 They just stopped at the Christmas time.

00:05:06.000 I was kind of worried about that because I went to see Mark Gagnon in...

00:05:11.000 In Brooklyn, I just was there last week, and I was like, man, I hope I don't see a bunch of dang drones in the sky and stuff still, because I've had that booked out for a couple of months.

00:05:18.000 Yeah, my friend Mark saw one.

00:05:19.000 Mark Norman, he saw one.

00:05:20.000 He said it was huge.

00:05:21.000 He said it was really big, and it moved really fast.

00:05:21.000 Really?

00:05:23.000 And he said it had propellers, but it didn't sound like a regular helicopter, so it was real weird.

00:05:29.000 I saw a lot of videos of them, and I saw a few guys talking about them that seemed somewhat credible on Twitter, but I didn't see guys that had talked about being weapons developers and stuff like that.

00:05:42.000 It's so easy nowadays to just bullshit your way through things and there's money in it, right?

00:05:46.000 I mean, you get clicks.

00:05:47.000 So it's like there's the days of it needing to be a government conspiracy in my mind are like way long gone.

00:05:53.000 If I pretend I see Bigfoot and I fake it good enough to get on Joe Rogan, well, man, I'm doing pretty fucking good now, ain't I? Yeah, you can make some money.

00:06:01.000 Exactly.

00:06:02.000 That is a real problem.

00:06:03.000 I'm really skeptical of like everybody nowadays.

00:06:06.000 Treat them all like crackheads.

00:06:07.000 I am, too.

00:06:08.000 And I like that about your channel, that you are quite skeptical about a lot of things, even things that the people that are heretics of the archaeological world, they subscribe to, and you're like, eh, not so fast, which I think is great.

00:06:22.000 Well, thanks.

00:06:22.000 I think it's very important.

00:06:24.000 But getting back to the Ethiopia thing...

00:06:27.000 We have this capability, supposedly, to scan for gamma radiation from the sky.

00:06:32.000 Why wouldn't someone fly over that church and go, yo, there's a crazy hotspot here?

00:06:36.000 You would think probably somebody has.

00:06:39.000 If not, like...

00:06:41.000 Like I was saying with the satellites, in all honesty, the feds monitor that kind of shit, like heavily.

00:06:47.000 So, I mean, if it's possible that it wouldn't be, you know, any kind of weapons-grade-y stuff, so they might just not be looking for that particularly.

00:06:54.000 Can they monitor for gamma radiation from satellites?

00:06:57.000 Can they do that?

00:06:58.000 I'm not sure.

00:06:58.000 I know that they can look for, I know they can look for, I'm not sure how they detect it, I'm not sure what they use to detect it, but I know that they can look for radioactive material from space.

00:07:07.000 Huh.

00:07:08.000 So, the thought is that if this Ark of the Covenant is there, and whatever it is, is somehow radioactive, is there any sort of theory as to how they develop some sort of radioactive thing?

00:07:25.000 Like, what is it supposed to be?

00:07:27.000 I mean, it's not a reactor, it's in a box, right?

00:07:31.000 Like, what is it?

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00:08:51.000 That's betterhelp.com slash J-R-E. The theory that a lot of people have is that it's a weapon.

00:09:01.000 Like in the Bible, it's described like shooting lightning and things like that.

00:09:05.000 And what Graham mentions in the book, it's an interesting point, is...

00:09:08.000 The Bible records Moses going up to Mount Sinai, coming down with the Ten Commandments, getting mad at the Israelites worshiping a golden calf, and he breaks the Ten Commandments and then goes back up the mountain and comes back down after another week or so with the Ten Commandments again.

00:09:25.000 And Graham points out that this could be a memory of him going up and getting the wrong stone.

00:09:32.000 Dammit, smashes it, goes back and finds the right stone that he's looking for, that it had uranium-rich or whatever speculative radiation stuff.

00:09:42.000 But inside of the box, a popular theory is you've got metal, wood, metal, like a transformer.

00:09:48.000 And so the popular theory is it's a way to generate electricity.

00:09:51.000 And it would also describe the way that guys in the Bible, if they touch it, they have to carry it with sticks.

00:09:56.000 And if they touch it, even to steady it, they get killed and stuff.

00:10:01.000 Honestly, I don't see it being a transformer.

00:10:03.000 That metal-wood-metal thing has to be stacked.

00:10:06.000 You're not just getting it with one layer like the Bible describes.

00:10:10.000 It's an interesting thing.

00:10:11.000 When you say it has to be stacked, you mean spaced in between each layer?

00:10:14.000 Yeah, like if you've ever seen a doorbell transformer?

00:10:18.000 No.

00:10:19.000 Okay, transformers at the bottom of it will have multiple plates.

00:10:23.000 It'll be like a plate of metal and then a plate of silicone or something like that that's conductive, non-conductive, conductive, non-conductive, and there'll be multiples of those, and this is part of the electromagnetic.

00:10:35.000 Because what a transformer does is it steps electricity up or down and swaps voltage for amperage basically.

00:10:42.000 The metal plates are part of it.

00:10:44.000 So the idea is that this thing would collect electricity inside the box and then the Israelites would use it to throw lightning at the enemies.

00:10:52.000 Now there's still a lot of speculation as to how the box would work, but Moses was also said to, after going up and seeing God, he was said to have had to cover his face with a cloth for the rest of his life because it was shown.

00:11:05.000 And Graham speculated in that book that it might be because of radiation sickness or something.

00:11:10.000 His face was covered in sores.

00:11:11.000 For the rest of his life.

00:11:12.000 Hmm.

00:11:13.000 So it is interesting.

00:11:15.000 So if this thing is radioactive, like how would that conduct electricity?

00:11:22.000 No idea.

00:11:23.000 It would probably be...

00:11:25.000 If it was...

00:11:27.000 Maybe it's the power source, like we have radioactive batteries on satellites and shit, right?

00:11:34.000 And they convert that radiation into electricity.

00:11:38.000 So it's possible.

00:11:39.000 I mean, you know I'm not really too big on the ancient high technology, but I'm always willing to speculate and look at the angles on it.

00:11:46.000 And that's basically where they come from, the guys that are really big into the arc.

00:11:51.000 Some guys even will claim that it's a capacitor.

00:11:56.000 Like a full-on capacitor, which a capacitor stores and discharges electricity.

00:12:01.000 It's why we were told not to, when you don't touch the tube on your TV when we were kids.

00:12:07.000 Right.

00:12:07.000 Because it'll zap you, the capacitor.

00:12:09.000 We're old.

00:12:09.000 We remember tubes on TVs.

00:12:11.000 I watched a friend of mine working on an arcade machine once, and one of the leads popped off of the thing, and he was bald, and it tapped him on the top.

00:12:20.000 Yeah, that's what a capacitor is.

00:12:27.000 So some guys believe, like Billy Carson, would say that the Ark of the Covenant would fit inside of the sarcophagus of the King's Chamber, which it doesn't, and that it's a Capacitor to power the pyramid.

00:12:41.000 So it doesn't...

00:12:42.000 How do you know that it doesn't?

00:12:43.000 The Bible has the specifications for the size of the Ark of the Covenant and they're not the same as...

00:12:50.000 How different are they?

00:12:51.000 Considerably.

00:12:52.000 Is it larger or smaller?

00:12:53.000 The Ark is larger.

00:12:54.000 Oh, it's larger than the...

00:12:56.000 Oh, really?

00:12:56.000 On the inside of the sarcophagus.

00:12:58.000 Have you ever seen the one that Donald Trump has at Mar-a-Lago?

00:13:00.000 No.

00:13:01.000 He has a recreation of the Ark of the Covenant at Mar-a-Lago.

00:13:04.000 No shit?

00:13:05.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:13:07.000 It doesn't look bigger than the...

00:13:09.000 The reason why I said it is it doesn't look bigger than the sarcophagus.

00:13:12.000 Maybe I need to look at it again.

00:13:13.000 There's a possibility that I'm wrong there, but I know that the measurements are off by enough that it was like, this isn't just a little mix and match.

00:13:21.000 It's way off.

00:13:22.000 I feel like we should have a recreation of the Ark of the Covenant here.

00:13:25.000 You probably should.

00:13:27.000 I probably should.

00:13:27.000 There's no reason.

00:13:28.000 Jamie, can you pull up that one?

00:13:29.000 Was it visiting the Mar-a-Lago?

00:13:32.000 I think so.

00:13:33.000 I was trying to find a...

00:13:35.000 It's pretty dope, man.

00:13:37.000 Indiana Jones type dope.

00:13:38.000 Nice.

00:13:38.000 It's really cool.

00:13:39.000 It looks awesome.

00:13:41.000 But if that's real, and these guys are just guarding it and dying of radiation poison, like, hey, get some fucking better leadership and let the world know.

00:13:49.000 I mean, if you really want people to believe in God and the Bible, what better way than to say, not only is the Ark of the Covenant real, but we have it here at this church in Ethiopia, and we've been suffering for the past X hundred years.

00:14:02.000 I mean, how many priests have died?

00:14:05.000 I don't know.

00:14:05.000 I have no idea.

00:14:06.000 A lot.

00:14:07.000 It'd be a lot.

00:14:08.000 That'd be a good thing to know.

00:14:10.000 Well, this would be...

00:14:10.000 I mean, this was supposed...

00:14:12.000 The Ark was supposed to have been brought there by the Queen of Sheba's son, Menelik.

00:14:17.000 So you're talking thousands of years, right?

00:14:19.000 So Ethiopia has a lot of...

00:14:21.000 Here it goes.

00:14:22.000 That's it.

00:14:23.000 Oh, damn.

00:14:24.000 That's the one that was a transplant.

00:14:25.000 Definitely a replica.

00:14:26.000 Oh, that's not the one?

00:14:27.000 No, no, it is.

00:14:28.000 It is the one?

00:14:29.000 Well, who knows, right?

00:14:30.000 No one's seen it.

00:14:33.000 Right.

00:14:33.000 That's not what I meant.

00:14:35.000 I mean, the one that's at Mar-a-Lago, there's photos of it at Mar-a-Lago.

00:14:38.000 This is the one that was at Mar-a-Lago.

00:14:40.000 See, that looks like that would fit inside the sarcophagus, doesn't it?

00:14:43.000 Scroll up a little so I can see that.

00:14:44.000 Yeah, maybe I was wrong about that.

00:14:47.000 Except for the handles.

00:14:48.000 I do know that the measurements are off drastically.

00:14:51.000 It's not just an inch or two.

00:14:54.000 It's enough that you're not sliding one in the other.

00:14:57.000 Can you show a photo of it at Mar-a-Lago?

00:15:00.000 I know we pulled it up at one point in time.

00:15:04.000 Because when these folks are standing around next to it...

00:15:07.000 Yeah, they're far left.

00:15:09.000 Yeah, see?

00:15:09.000 Yeah.

00:15:10.000 See, that looks like it would fit in there.

00:15:12.000 It does look like it would.

00:15:14.000 But, yeah, if you look up the measurements, I wish...

00:15:16.000 I don't have them off the top of my head.

00:15:18.000 I was doing that.

00:15:19.000 But, yeah, they are...

00:15:22.000 Look at that.

00:15:22.000 The King's Chamber...

00:15:23.000 Yeah, the sarcophagus in the King's Chamber and the Ark of the Covenant are...

00:15:31.000 I mean, I feel like we should send the Green Berets into that church.

00:15:34.000 Come on, guys.

00:15:36.000 Tell us what the fuck you got.

00:15:38.000 Enough of this.

00:15:40.000 Enough hiding.

00:15:41.000 If you have that, that's something for the whole human race to know.

00:15:47.000 That's not something for you to hide.

00:15:49.000 That's not yours to covet.

00:15:51.000 That's wrong.

00:15:52.000 No, but if they've been hiding it forever and it's a religious...

00:15:58.000 And they're like the keepers of it or whatever.

00:16:01.000 Look how big the sarcophagus is in the king's chamber.

00:16:03.000 Yeah, dang.

00:16:04.000 That's crazy.

00:16:06.000 The king's chamber itself is so bananas.

00:16:09.000 The whole thing, like, why?

00:16:11.000 What did you do?

00:16:12.000 Why'd you do it this way?

00:16:13.000 How'd you have the resources?

00:16:15.000 How'd you get those stones that are that big up so high?

00:16:17.000 Oh, man, there's so much.

00:16:18.000 There's so much about the pyramids in general that are just so hard to even...

00:16:24.000 Like I mentioned a little bit last time we talked, the squaring of it is so, it's like 756 feet long and there's like two to three inch variation at the most.

00:16:33.000 So you're talking like thousandths of a percent on this massive thing.

00:16:38.000 And if you just stretch a rope from one end of this table to the other and hold it tight, it's going to sag a little.

00:16:43.000 You're 756 feet, you're not getting a two inch accurate measurement at that.

00:16:47.000 With a rope.

00:16:47.000 With the rope.

00:16:48.000 You have to use something different.

00:16:49.000 Yeah.

00:16:50.000 So what are you using?

00:16:51.000 Yeah.

00:16:52.000 Exactly.

00:16:52.000 What are you using?

00:16:53.000 How are you using it?

00:16:54.000 How do you get 2,300,000 stones all placed within 20 years?

00:16:59.000 The 20-year thing is nuts.

00:17:02.000 Throw that one out because that's the cynical side of things.

00:17:06.000 That's where they are.

00:17:07.000 We have to stick to what we know, what we believe.

00:17:11.000 Just a couple of ferals before, that guy built three pyramids.

00:17:15.000 You can't just say, well, these guys were only building them each generation for tombs.

00:17:20.000 It seems to me like it's a multi-generational project.

00:17:22.000 If these guys were the ones that built them, like the historians say, it seems to me like...

00:17:28.000 Every generation was working on three.

00:17:31.000 I break ground on my grandsons, I'm getting my sons going, and I'm finishing mine.

00:17:36.000 Every generation was probably doing that, because these things probably took 100 years to build, man.

00:17:39.000 They're huge.

00:17:40.000 The only explanation outside of that, it was some lost technology.

00:17:44.000 Yes.

00:17:45.000 That's the only explanation.

00:17:46.000 The problem with the lost technology thing is, where's the tools?

00:17:49.000 Like, what would you use?

00:17:51.000 There is some evidence that there's some sophisticated cutting methods, the coring, the drills that indicate, like, a very...

00:17:58.000 A high-speed drill, which is interesting.

00:18:00.000 So it's not just as simple as, you know, getting some tube and slowly working its way through.

00:18:06.000 The way it's cut into some of the granite indicates that it was done at a high speed.

00:18:11.000 So the question is, like, how, what, what was the material?

00:18:15.000 Where is it?

00:18:16.000 What happened to it?

00:18:19.000 The argument, of course, would be this is the kind of stuff that would get looted right away, right?

00:18:23.000 If you watch Mad Max, they're not running around picking up bottle caps.

00:18:26.000 They're picking up the stuff you can use.

00:18:28.000 But on the flip side of that, the evidence, if you look at any one of your videos or mine that are about the pyramids, you're going to have thousands of comments of people that are like, here's my theory on the pyramids.

00:18:42.000 And most of these are pretty mundane.

00:18:44.000 Most of these are.

00:18:45.000 I think they might have used water, too.

00:18:48.000 We kind of need to exhaust, in my mind, we kind of need to exhaust all that mundane shit that people can throw at this problem before we really can start saying, okay, now let's just step outside of history and speculate harder.

00:18:59.000 I'm willing to entertain the things, but if you really want to find out what happened, in my mind, you kind of have to be more grounded with it.

00:19:07.000 That's how I look at it.

00:19:08.000 Well, I think if we're looking at a linear timeline between the technology that was available to people, say, 15,000 years ago and today, then yeah.

00:19:17.000 Then you have to look at it in a more mundane way because obviously they didn't have electricity then.

00:19:22.000 You're thinking obviously they didn't have diamond tip cutting tools that were made out of like some super titanium or whatever the fuck the alloy was.

00:19:32.000 But if we're looking at lost technology and if we're looking at the possibility of, you know, when you get into Graham Hancock stuff, specifically the Younger Dryas impact theory, which...

00:19:44.000 I'm always fascinated by both the people that fully support it and the people that fully dismiss it.

00:19:50.000 Both of those things are interesting to me because you don't know.

00:19:52.000 Just stop.

00:19:53.000 Thank you.

00:19:54.000 Shut your hole.

00:19:55.000 That's so accurate right there.

00:19:56.000 Shut your hole.

00:19:57.000 We're all just guessing.

00:19:58.000 We're guessing, but we're all looking at some really interesting stuff, right?

00:20:02.000 We're looking at the iridium.

00:20:04.000 We're looking at the micro-diamonds, the nano-diamonds.

00:20:08.000 We're looking at the...

00:20:10.000 Black mat.

00:20:10.000 Yeah.

00:20:11.000 Do you know about my friend John Reeves up in Alaska?

00:20:14.000 The bone yard in Alaska?

00:20:17.000 No, I don't.

00:20:18.000 John Reeves, he actually found this.

00:20:21.000 This was actually sawed.

00:20:23.000 That's an ancient mammoth bone.

00:20:25.000 The piece that was cut out was how it was carbon dated.

00:20:28.000 And I forget what the carbon date it was.

00:20:30.000 It wasn't that extraordinary.

00:20:33.000 Hundreds of years, I think, right?

00:20:34.000 It was only hundreds of years, right?

00:20:36.000 Or maybe a couple thousand.

00:20:37.000 I forget what it was.

00:20:38.000 But the fact that it was sawed at the top was very interesting.

00:20:41.000 Some of the bones they've dated to tens of thousands of years, including animals that they've found bones of that weren't even supposed to be in this area.

00:20:52.000 So he has an enormous piece of land, but a small piece of it, I think it's only about six acres, where they're finding an enormous number of woolly mammoth bones.

00:21:03.000 Short-faced bear, all these different lions, and all these different animals that some of them they didn't even think were in Alaska.

00:21:13.000 10-15 thousand years ago and there's also a thick layer of dark carbon that indicates that like something happened like there was some sort of massive burn and the theory is that there was an enormous flood and that this was a basin where a lot of these animals that died got washed into and then covered so they have this wall that is essentially permafrost and they hose it down They do it all the time, and then they see a mammoth tusk, and then they slowly work their way out.

00:21:43.000 Go to his Instagram page.

00:21:47.000 Every year he's our last guest, but this year he got pneumonia.

00:21:51.000 So we had to delay him until recently.

00:21:55.000 But this is all stuff that they find.

00:21:58.000 He's a gold miner.

00:21:59.000 So this is all stuff that they find on his property.

00:22:02.000 Well, it started out incidentally, and now they search for it.

00:22:07.000 That's John right there in the middle with the baseball hat on.

00:22:09.000 The big guy right there.

00:22:11.000 He's a giant human.

00:22:13.000 I see.

00:22:13.000 So, I mean, you've got to see him in real life.

00:22:15.000 He's huge.

00:22:16.000 But this area that he has is extraordinary because he's got enormous...

00:22:22.000 See, that's how they hose it all down.

00:22:24.000 So he's set up this multi-million dollar research facility out there.

00:22:27.000 He's got huge warehouses, stores, and thousands and thousands of these bones.

00:22:31.000 Wow.

00:22:32.000 And it's just in a six-acre area.

00:22:34.000 Wow.

00:22:34.000 And then there's another additional area that's a similar size.

00:22:37.000 So there you can see one of the bones, one of the tusks sticking out.

00:22:40.000 But he gave us that step bison skull that's in the lobby.

00:22:45.000 I don't know if you saw that.

00:22:46.000 That's 10,000 years old.

00:22:47.000 Wow.

00:22:48.000 Yeah.

00:22:48.000 Damn.

00:22:49.000 And so he's got a bunch of...

00:22:50.000 And he pulls them out left and right.

00:22:51.000 See if you can find some of the...

00:22:53.000 Bins that he has.

00:22:55.000 He's got these enormous...

00:22:57.000 Look at all those mammoth tusks.

00:22:59.000 Just stacks of them.

00:23:01.000 A ton of them.

00:23:02.000 And they're all over the place.

00:23:04.000 I mean, his property is really, really extraordinary.

00:23:08.000 But it's all his.

00:23:09.000 So he's like, hey, fuck off.

00:23:11.000 I'm just going to dig this stuff up myself.

00:23:14.000 I don't want anybody coming in, lying and bullshitting and controlling the area.

00:23:18.000 It's all on private land, so I'm just going to keep pulling the stuff out of there and hiring people to come in and do some research on it.

00:23:26.000 Look at all these bones I found.

00:23:27.000 Isn't that insane?

00:23:28.000 That's wild.

00:23:30.000 So that's the theory.

00:23:32.000 The theory is that this was an area where a lot of these animals that died, probably instantaneously by the impact, got washed into.

00:23:41.000 Okay.

00:23:41.000 I can see that.

00:23:42.000 I mean, he has a lot of fucking bones there, man.

00:23:45.000 You're only getting a tiny fraction of it.

00:23:47.000 If you actually see it...

00:23:49.000 Jamie, see if you can find one of the images of his warehouses.

00:23:53.000 There's some overhead views of the warehouses.

00:23:55.000 They're huge.

00:23:57.000 And they're just filled with bones.

00:23:58.000 And he pulls them out every day.

00:24:00.000 Whenever they want, they go down and they hose down the permafrost.

00:24:03.000 And because it's in the permafrost, it's all preserved.

00:24:06.000 Wow.

00:24:07.000 I was just thinking, permafrost is preserved real well.

00:24:09.000 Yeah.

00:24:10.000 So these are just, yeah.

00:24:13.000 But these are all storage bins that they have filled with bones.

00:24:17.000 I mean, it's pretty extraordinary.

00:24:20.000 That is wild.

00:24:21.000 It's sad that he doesn't want to bring the scientists in, but I can understand why.

00:24:28.000 The way that things are nowadays, it's...

00:24:31.000 He doesn't trust them.

00:24:31.000 Exactly.

00:24:32.000 A lot of people don't.

00:24:33.000 And he wanted to come on here to spread it out to the world.

00:24:36.000 One of the things that he found out was that they dumped the previous owners of his property before he owned it.

00:24:43.000 What museum was it again, Jamie?

00:24:45.000 American National History Museum in New York City had acquired some of the bones, and they had so much of them that they dumped some of them in the East River.

00:24:54.000 Now, they denied it, so he sent divers out.

00:24:57.000 To the exact spot in the East River and they started pulling up step bison bones and all these different...

00:25:02.000 Like, ancient, ancient animal bones from this exact area where they said to look for it.

00:25:07.000 So it's pretty much been confirmed that it's true.

00:25:09.000 And he does know that they have some of them still, and they won't release them to him.

00:25:13.000 So until they release the bones to him that are rightfully his, he's like, fuck off.

00:25:17.000 You can't come here.

00:25:18.000 I can understand that.

00:25:20.000 But his spot, in my opinion, is one of the best indicators that there was a mass casualty event.

00:25:25.000 There was some sort of a huge catastrophe that took place that killed all of these animals.

00:25:30.000 Now, we know that humans were around back then.

00:25:34.000 The question was...

00:25:35.000 How sophisticated were they?

00:25:37.000 And this is where it all gets so weird, you know, because I've been following this forever and ever and ever.

00:25:42.000 And I was following it long before they discovered Gobekli Tepe.

00:25:46.000 And so the question was that the archaeologists would always, the really arrogant archaeologists, would always throw in the faces of these heretics.

00:25:53.000 They would say, well, if this is true, where's the evidence of this ancient civilization that was so sophisticated that can make massive stone structures 10,000 years ago?

00:26:01.000 There is no evidence.

00:26:02.000 Well, now there is.

00:26:03.000 So now they have to kind of look.

00:26:04.000 Look at it and go, well, okay, we're wrong about that.

00:26:07.000 But we're still – we know 2,500 B.C. maximum, that's how old the pyramids are.

00:26:13.000 They don't – a lot of the scientists, most of the scientists are actually scientists.

00:26:20.000 But the ones that we end up seeing are the ones that are invested in creating a narrative.

00:26:26.000 They're the ones that they want to – Make sure that pseudo-archaeology and pseudoscience is always on its back foot and never gets a fair day in court, blah, blah, blah.

00:26:36.000 These guys, they don't give us any real accurate interpretation of the data.

00:26:41.000 They'll step way outside of their lane to tell you what's going on.

00:26:45.000 Oh, you mean like Flint Dibble?

00:26:46.000 I mean exactly like Flint Dibble.

00:26:49.000 Well, you were the guy that broke down what he was inaccurate about when he was having that air quotes debate with Graham Hancock.

00:26:57.000 Well, yeah.

00:26:58.000 It's all very unfortunate because what he does know is really interesting.

00:27:01.000 All that stuff about ancient seeds and stuff and how they change over the time and, you know, how you can tell whether a sea is domesticated versus whether it's feral.

00:27:09.000 Oh, yeah.

00:27:09.000 Yeah.

00:27:10.000 He's good at what he does, at least as far as that stuff goes.

00:27:16.000 Like, there was another—there's a guy that's a trained anthropologist that made a couple of videos about him, Sam Urban from Illegitimate Scholar, and he—I think Graham mentioned him here before.

00:27:26.000 He's a—he specialized in underwater shipwrecks, and he just blasted the stuff that Flint said, not just the three million shipwrecks.

00:27:36.000 He just blasted on a scientific level.

00:27:37.000 This is wrong.

00:27:39.000 This is wrong.

00:27:40.000 Yeah, he got way out of his lane with that.

00:27:42.000 Yeah, and that's—you know, I— That's, I guess, one of the biggest things here.

00:27:46.000 All those guys right now are laughing.

00:27:47.000 You're an electrician, Dan.

00:27:48.000 You're outside your lane every time you talk about this shit.

00:27:51.000 You're outside your lane.

00:27:52.000 I'm outside my lane.

00:27:54.000 I'm not talking about people getting beat up or cracking jokes.

00:27:57.000 Yeah.

00:28:00.000 Well, only you would have a painting of you busting Shane Gillis' ass.

00:28:04.000 I didn't make that.

00:28:06.000 Every time he posts that picture, he's like, I had a great time on GRU. I'm like, man, I've seen that.

00:28:10.000 That's a beautiful work of art, right?

00:28:12.000 It's very pretty.

00:28:13.000 Good painting.

00:28:13.000 Very pretty.

00:28:14.000 Yeah, so we're all out of our lanes.

00:28:16.000 It's with something.

00:28:17.000 Every person who's an expert is out of their lanes with a lot of things.

00:28:20.000 But there's a difference, and this is like what you alluded to it a minute ago, where it's like there's a difference between saying we know for a fact and we're not sure.

00:28:27.000 Yeah.

00:28:29.000 You know, a common atheist argument, if you talk like Richard Dawkins, he'll say, the minute that a scientist says God did it, they're not worth a fuck to me in the lab because they're not working anymore.

00:28:37.000 They're like, I've got the answer.

00:28:39.000 That's the same thing as the science is settled.

00:28:41.000 If you say, the science is done, we know for a fact.

00:28:44.000 You can't say that.

00:28:45.000 You're no longer worth a fuck to me in the lab.

00:28:47.000 Science is not settled when you don't have all the information in the universe.

00:28:50.000 Exactly.

00:28:51.000 Since we never will.

00:28:52.000 Yeah.

00:28:53.000 Well, maybe we will.

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00:30:18.000 Maybe we won't, but maybe our future people will.

00:30:21.000 Future selves, yes.

00:30:22.000 Yeah, I mean, what we're looking at is a mystery.

00:30:25.000 And Egypt, to me, is one of the most phenomenal of all the mysteries, one of the most fascinating, because whatever happened, however long ago, those people in Africa did something that no one's been able to do since.

00:30:38.000 And they did it in a way that defies...

00:30:42.000 Our understanding, not just of what they could do back then, but of what people could ever do, including right now.

00:30:49.000 Yeah.

00:30:49.000 And there's a lot to be said, like, that you can't see about ancient Egypt that's amazing, like, you know, the Bronze Age collapse.

00:30:56.000 You've heard of that, right?

00:30:57.000 And the Sea Peoples.

00:30:58.000 Egypt was like the big power that survived.

00:31:01.000 Like all these other big powers, they were destroyed.

00:31:02.000 They were crushed.

00:31:03.000 They lost everything.

00:31:04.000 Now, Egypt got smaller, but it survived.

00:31:06.000 It wasn't until the Greeks came along that it was...

00:31:09.000 I mean, they'd been conquered off and on, but it wasn't until the Greeks came along that they were truly subjugated.

00:31:13.000 And that's...

00:31:14.000 Thousands and thousands and thousands of years.

00:31:16.000 And by the time the Greeks showed up...

00:31:18.000 That shit was so old that you look on the Osirion, they say that there's graffiti that's like the sacred geometry shit that was Hermeticism that was popular in Greece.

00:31:28.000 So they're seeing Hermeticist stuff with the sacred geometry on it.

00:31:32.000 And that's like, you know, thousands of years later.

00:31:35.000 Their minds are blown the same as ours are today.

00:31:37.000 Wow.

00:31:38.000 And that's really fucked when you think about Alexander the Great going there and tripping balls on the same shit we do.

00:31:43.000 That's crazy, man.

00:31:45.000 One of my favorite quotes is that Cleopatra...

00:31:52.000 Yes.

00:31:54.000 When you think about it that way, you're like, wait, what?

00:31:56.000 What?

00:31:58.000 For real?

00:32:00.000 That's just the conventional dating of the age of the pyramid, which is much discussed and debated.

00:32:06.000 Very much debated.

00:32:07.000 And probably should be.

00:32:08.000 It really probably should be.

00:32:10.000 I know people want to point to carbon dating, but...

00:32:14.000 The problem with that is that we know that people resurface things and they do touch-ups.

00:32:20.000 In fact, they're doing touch-ups right now, ill-advised in my opinion, on the base of the Sphinx where they've covered the feet.

00:32:27.000 I think that's horrible.

00:32:28.000 It's terrible.

00:32:30.000 I should have airdropped this to Jamie.

00:32:33.000 I'll send it to him in a second.

00:32:34.000 There's an image that I've got of...

00:32:37.000 That was just sent to me that's pretty amazing.

00:32:41.000 There's a wall of one of the magazines in one of the pyramids that has a bunch of those vases in it.

00:32:46.000 And this wall is, like, collapsed.

00:32:50.000 And the magazine is the name for a room.

00:32:52.000 And anyway, they reconstructed this room.

00:32:53.000 They reconstructed the wall.

00:32:55.000 And it's got a piece of one of those vases in the fucking wall.

00:33:01.000 Like, right in the rubble that makes up the wall.

00:33:04.000 And I could not, I just...

00:33:06.000 Shit, I don't even have it saved.

00:33:07.000 I'm sorry.

00:33:08.000 Let me grab it real quick.

00:33:10.000 Sorry.

00:33:10.000 I should have done this before.

00:33:11.000 You're one of those dudes who use that tiny little phone.

00:33:13.000 Look at that little thing.

00:33:14.000 I'm an old...

00:33:14.000 Is that the iPhone mini?

00:33:16.000 Is that what it is?

00:33:17.000 Or is that the SE or something?

00:33:18.000 Yeah, the SE, I think.

00:33:19.000 Something like that.

00:33:20.000 How long is the battery left in that?

00:33:21.000 20 minutes?

00:33:22.000 14. 20 minutes is about 30 extra.

00:33:27.000 My son actually, he wanted an iPhone so bad.

00:33:29.000 I got him an iPhone, had it for two years, and he's like, can I please have an Android?

00:33:33.000 I'm so tired of having to charge my phone twice a day at school.

00:33:36.000 Well, the new iPhones last forever.

00:33:38.000 The new iPhones, well, I think the Samsung Galaxy S25 Ultra and the X24 Ultra have the longest battery life in comparison to iPhone.

00:33:47.000 Like, you know, they do those tests where they play, like, the Avengers, and they'll play it, like, nonstop on a loop to see which battery dies out quicker.

00:33:56.000 Oh, yeah.

00:33:56.000 The Androids last longer.

00:33:57.000 Well, that makes sense.

00:33:58.000 But not by much.

00:33:59.000 Like, you have to be a total psycho to go, I have an Android, I have a...

00:34:05.000 A Galaxy S24 Ultra, and I have an iPhone.

00:34:08.000 I've never had one of them run out of batteries.

00:34:10.000 If you charge it in the morning, you have to be a total psycho to have no battery life at the end of the day.

00:34:14.000 You should go to a doctor.

00:34:16.000 You have a real phone addiction.

00:34:19.000 The only time I ever had that problem recently was when I went to the Met.

00:34:24.000 I went to the Met Museum in New York, and that was...

00:34:27.000 I burnt...

00:34:28.000 I was blown away by the artifacts and stuff and ended up like...

00:34:33.000 Basically burning my phone into the ground.

00:34:35.000 Just taking pictures?

00:34:37.000 Yeah, you got a dead battery, son.

00:34:38.000 Yeah.

00:34:41.000 It's kind of amazing that batteries work at all.

00:34:44.000 One of the things I wanted to bring up to you was the Baghdad battery.

00:34:47.000 Do you think that's real?

00:34:47.000 Yeah.

00:34:49.000 Was that what that was?

00:34:51.000 Or is there some debate?

00:34:52.000 Let's tell people what it is.

00:34:54.000 The Baghdad battery.

00:34:55.000 It's a clay pot.

00:34:56.000 There's a number of them.

00:34:57.000 They're clay vessels.

00:34:58.000 They have a copper and...

00:35:02.000 Lead inside of them.

00:35:03.000 And the way that the cap is and stuff, you could potentially fill them with orange juice or something like that, a minor acid, and get an electric charge from it.

00:35:11.000 Now, it wouldn't be much of one, but you could do it.

00:35:13.000 And that's something that's worth noting right there is that you can, this has been, archaeologists have determined that, well, yeah, I mean, we don't like to admit it, but yes, these potentially could have been batteries, so.

00:35:25.000 There was a guy that did a debunking on it that's a popular YouTuber, and another archaeologist came around and kind of slapped him around a little bit, and he had to admit.

00:35:33.000 He's like, okay, yeah, I didn't do my research good.

00:35:35.000 So this is the Baghdad Battery?

00:35:37.000 Yes.

00:35:38.000 What is the conventional explanation for what these things are?

00:35:41.000 The conventional explanation is that they're pots.

00:35:46.000 They really don't have a good, solid debunking of it, despite what it says there on the screen.

00:35:55.000 But because of what...

00:35:56.000 I mean, this is not speculative, right?

00:35:58.000 Because of what the actual materials are, if you filled it with a minor acid, it would conduct electricity.

00:36:05.000 So it does work.

00:36:06.000 Yeah, it wouldn't make a lot, but it would make a little.

00:36:10.000 Like how much is a little?

00:36:12.000 Like enough to power a toothbrush?

00:36:13.000 I don't think that much, but I know that...

00:36:16.000 The reports, anyway, was that a guy was able to make a very minor electroplating with it.

00:36:21.000 And that would be the kind of thing that would be most likely applications because other stuff requires serious...

00:36:27.000 Right.

00:36:28.000 So like plating things with gold and stuff like that.

00:36:31.000 Interesting.

00:36:32.000 So the real, the craziest theory of all, for sure, is the Christopher Dunn.

00:36:38.000 The Christopher Don theory about the actual pyramid itself, he believes it's a massive power plant.

00:36:44.000 And he believed that they were using some sort of chemicals and a certain frequency, like vibration, to generate hydrogen with all the chambers and all.

00:36:53.000 And, you know, the way he describes it...

00:36:55.000 It sounds very compelling because there's – I don't know what he's talking about.

00:36:59.000 He might be making it all up, right?

00:37:01.000 So the way he's saying it sounds so interesting.

00:37:03.000 I've never heard anybody try to break down whether or not what he's saying makes sense though.

00:37:08.000 Well, I like Chris.

00:37:10.000 I get along with him well.

00:37:11.000 I talk to him on the phone probably a couple times a month.

00:37:15.000 He's – and he knows that I disagree with him.

00:37:19.000 The thing that right off the bat, as an electrician, the first thing that stands out to me is the claim of getting piezoelectricity from the blocks, which piezoelectricity is the electricity you get from like a quartz crystal when you stress it, so like your watch or a charcoal igniter for a grill, right?

00:37:37.000 The igniter is just a piece of quartz that they pop it with a little spring and a stick when you pop it, and it's got a piece of metal on each side and wires, and that harnesses the charge.

00:37:47.000 That's the first thing, is each one of the quartz crystals in those big limestone blocks would have to have a piece of metal around it and wires coming off of it or some way of harnessing the electricity.

00:37:59.000 There's tons of natural electricity that happens all the time, right?

00:38:02.000 But you have to harness it in order to do something with it.

00:38:05.000 Is this just our understanding of how to use electricity?

00:38:08.000 And could there potentially be something that we missed?

00:38:10.000 Well, there's definitely stuff we don't know about electricity.

00:38:14.000 I mean, we'll start there.

00:38:16.000 Clearly things we don't know about.

00:38:17.000 We still have guys working on the shit all the time and they're making better and better semiconductors and whatnot all the time.

00:38:23.000 But having said that, maybe?

00:38:27.000 But at that point, we're kind of like...

00:38:30.000 My thinking on that is if we're going to say this is a technological thing and here's the way we get there and then it's like, well, but we can't really do this.

00:38:39.000 Well, couldn't it be something else?

00:38:40.000 Well, at that point, why say that this is...

00:38:42.000 Why build a technological story from what we have?

00:38:45.000 Why not just make shit up?

00:38:47.000 Also, it's like, what came first, the chicken or the egg?

00:38:50.000 Because if you have the technology to turn that thing into a gigantic electrical generator, where did you get the technology to build it?

00:38:59.000 Like, what do you use?

00:39:00.000 If this is the first one, if you figured...

00:39:02.000 So that means you made more of these to make electricity or some other form of power.

00:39:08.000 You did something.

00:39:09.000 And that's what to me is so amazing about this, that no one can really look at it and go, oh, this is simple.

00:39:18.000 Even if it's a tomb, it's a tomb alone, even those guys have to admit that it's not simple.

00:39:26.000 But when you look at it from a potentially technological angle, I mean, there's...

00:39:31.000 Chris, I put a lot of work into his theory.

00:39:34.000 It is intricate and he's a very intelligent person.

00:39:37.000 He's so smart that when I talk to him, I feel like I'm talking to a guy a bit smarter than me.

00:39:46.000 He's intelligent.

00:39:48.000 I don't agree with him on some of these things.

00:39:50.000 And that's really, I think that's one of the reasons he likes me is because I'll be chill about it.

00:39:54.000 Just be like, yeah, you fucking charlatan.

00:39:56.000 Yeah, that's a really important point.

00:39:58.000 And that's one of the things that I really do enjoy about your videos.

00:40:00.000 When you disagree about something, you're very cordial about it.

00:40:03.000 And I think that's important because, you know, I've talked about this many times, but it's a real flaw with human beings.

00:40:09.000 We attach ourselves to ideas and we defend those ideas as if we're defending our worth as people.

00:40:15.000 And it's stupid.

00:40:16.000 And if you're wrong about something, it's just information.

00:40:18.000 It should just be an idea.

00:40:20.000 It shows far more about your flaws if you're willing to defend ideas that are clearly inaccurate.

00:40:28.000 I couldn't agree with you more there.

00:40:30.000 Thanks for the compliment, by the way.

00:40:31.000 But yeah, I couldn't agree with you more there.

00:40:33.000 It's a complete mess.

00:40:35.000 And especially when it's science.

00:40:37.000 That's where archaeology really can piss me off.

00:40:41.000 Because these guys, there's a lot of it that's just...

00:40:43.000 Made up stuff, right?

00:40:45.000 It's one thing to say, we know for a fact this was carbon dated to X and blah.

00:40:51.000 It's another thing to say, this looks like that, therefore it's this.

00:40:54.000 That's the same.

00:40:55.000 The guys say that about all kinds of shit, right?

00:40:57.000 Oh, here's, these stones look like pillows.

00:40:59.000 Ergo, they must be concrete.

00:41:00.000 Well, it's like, Jamie, could you show that stupid image with the anime face on it?

00:41:04.000 I'm using this one to drive that point home that the pareidolia is not, just because it looks like something does not fucking mean that.

00:41:12.000 The pareidolia?

00:41:13.000 Yeah, pareidolia is when you see something in the clouds or whatever.

00:41:17.000 Oh, okay.

00:41:17.000 Just because something looks like something doesn't mean that this is a way to suss what a fucking ancient artifact is.

00:41:23.000 Oh, this one is the image of the eyes of Horus.

00:41:27.000 Yeah.

00:41:27.000 Is that what that is?

00:41:28.000 And then...

00:41:29.000 So there's a lot of weird speculation as to what that means, right?

00:41:31.000 And some people think it means the pineal gland.

00:41:34.000 Yeah, there's a lot of speculation about that, agreed.

00:41:37.000 But my point is, obviously, we can't just assume that, oh, well, because it looks like some anime girl, it's ancient Egyptians.

00:41:44.000 Of course.

00:41:45.000 One of the best ones is that the image of someone holding up something that either is a basket or looks like some sort of frequencies are emanating from some device.

00:41:56.000 Yeah, that one's interesting.

00:41:57.000 Yeah.

00:41:58.000 Maybe it's a basket.

00:41:59.000 It doesn't look like a basket, though.

00:42:01.000 It looks like you're trying to indicate something.

00:42:04.000 Yeah, it does look like they're trying to, at the very least, highlight.

00:42:07.000 And there's the other ones where there's long, phallus-looking tubes that seem to be some sort of energy source or something.

00:42:15.000 And a lot of them have the, like...

00:42:17.000 Pyramid shape on their crotch, right?

00:42:20.000 Just like this big straight, and it doesn't look phallic, but I mean, it kind of implies it, but almost like it's symbolism for something, right?

00:42:20.000 Yeah.

00:42:29.000 Those long tube ones, see if you could find those.

00:42:31.000 How would you describe that, like if he's going to search for it?

00:42:36.000 Energy emanating from the...

00:42:37.000 Right.

00:42:39.000 This is one of the hardest things about this, is trying to find...

00:42:42.000 Bam, he found it.

00:42:43.000 Oh, damn.

00:42:44.000 Oh!

00:42:44.000 The Denderalite.

00:42:45.000 That's...

00:42:46.000 Yes, derp.

00:42:47.000 Yeah.

00:42:47.000 So, like, what the hell is that?

00:42:49.000 That's...

00:42:49.000 Yeah.

00:42:51.000 They...

00:42:51.000 Some people think it's an actual light bulb.

00:42:54.000 That's a bong to the left.

00:42:56.000 Some people think that that's a light bulb.

00:42:59.000 What is that supposed to be?

00:43:01.000 What the hell is that supposed to be?

00:43:02.000 It looks like a serpent inside of it.

00:43:04.000 Yeah.

00:43:06.000 The mainstream thing is that it's like a symbol of life.

00:43:12.000 I forget which plant that is.

00:43:14.000 What's that thing above it, too?

00:43:16.000 One of those little...

00:43:17.000 That, yeah, what the hell's that?

00:43:19.000 Well, it looks like writing of some sort, but I'm not sure what it says.

00:43:23.000 That's one of my main hopes for AI, that AI will get so sophisticated that it can start deciphering these things in a more meaningful way, in a way where you could use, you know, these large language models.

00:43:37.000 Like, if we get, like, some, you know, like they have the Rosetta Stone, and the Rosetta Stone allowed them to decipher a lot of the ancient hieroglyphs.

00:43:45.000 Get some sort of much more comprehensive analysis of what they were trying to say with this stuff.

00:43:51.000 That would be nice.

00:43:53.000 If it's even possible.

00:43:53.000 Yeah.

00:43:54.000 I mean, I'm just guessing.

00:43:57.000 Dendera light.

00:43:58.000 It might be something that they can pull off.

00:44:01.000 AI is a tough one.

00:44:02.000 You don't have to ask Elon.

00:44:04.000 That's more his neck of the woods than mine.

00:44:06.000 So it references part of the Egyptian creation myth.

00:44:10.000 Yes.

00:44:11.000 The water lily or the...

00:44:14.000 The lotus flower, was it, that came out of the...

00:44:16.000 It's so weird.

00:44:20.000 It is.

00:44:21.000 Their iconography is weird.

00:44:22.000 That's one of the reasons I was taking so many pictures at the Met.

00:44:25.000 It was just like...

00:44:27.000 So many things are just weird.

00:44:30.000 Just fucking weird, man.

00:44:31.000 You just look at it, you're like, this does not...

00:44:33.000 It's so old.

00:44:34.000 So old and so weird.

00:44:36.000 It's like, we don't even know what their language sounded like, which is also amazing.

00:44:41.000 Yeah, it is.

00:44:41.000 It's like, I just...

00:44:43.000 Of all the places in the world where I could go back in time and observe, you know, just somehow undetected, you know, if you get a, like a, some sort of a sphere of...

00:45:01.000 Yeah, well, how'd they do that?

00:45:07.000 What did their culture look like?

00:45:09.000 What did the people look like when they were going about their daily tasks?

00:45:12.000 You know, we used to think it was slaves that built the pyramid.

00:45:15.000 Now they think, no, they were skilled workers.

00:45:16.000 And they think that based on what their diet was, and they were eating good food, and these people were well taken care of that were involved in working around that area.

00:45:27.000 So who are they?

00:45:28.000 What was it?

00:45:29.000 What was it all about?

00:45:30.000 Yeah, that's one of the things that When they say that it's not slaves that built it, that kind of makes me chuckle because, yeah, we know that they had, you know, well-fed people that worked there, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they were the only people that worked there.

00:45:44.000 I mean, if you go down to construction over here, you're going to have a guy that's eating at Zip or eating at freaking Burger King or whatever, and you're going to have another guy who's eating a $300 lunch, and they're going to be working the same job site.

00:45:55.000 Right.

00:45:56.000 Good point.

00:45:58.000 Also, probably a lot of them didn't want to work there, and they were forced into it, which makes you a slave.

00:46:03.000 If you pay slaves well, they're still slaves.

00:46:06.000 If you kill them when they leave, they're slaves.

00:46:08.000 That's right.

00:46:09.000 It's like you have a job to do no matter what you want to do.

00:46:12.000 Oh, you want to become a musician?

00:46:13.000 Fuck off.

00:46:14.000 Go push that rock.

00:46:15.000 Push the rock and push it some more.

00:46:16.000 You know what?

00:46:17.000 That one is another.

00:46:18.000 We're never going to stop being fascinated by the people of the past that we don't understand.

00:46:25.000 And I think, again, the best example of that is Egypt.

00:46:28.000 Yeah.

00:46:28.000 And that's where, like we were talking about how the archaeology and the archaeologists and pseudo guys will argue with each other so much about and it gets so bad blooded about it.

00:46:39.000 It's like, I talked about this a little bit last time, but...

00:46:43.000 I see it as two distinct halves of the human psyche at work in this regard.

00:46:48.000 You can almost see the distinction in the way that scientists tend to be antisocial.

00:46:55.000 Antisocial might not be the right word, but they're just a little fucking weird, man.

00:46:59.000 They're the kind of guys that dress weird, they talk weird, they act weird.

00:47:02.000 They just come across fucking weird.

00:47:04.000 You're talking about Flint Dibble?

00:47:05.000 I'm talking about all scientists in general.

00:47:08.000 But yes, he would be one of them, but he's not the only one.

00:47:11.000 Like John Hoops is a great example.

00:47:12.000 If you watch him, the way he carries himself, the way he talks, he's just fucking weird.

00:47:16.000 And look at Einstein.

00:47:18.000 Watch that guy.

00:47:19.000 He carried himself fucking weird.

00:47:21.000 Yeah.

00:47:21.000 My friend Chris Williamson has a very interesting take on that that I think is very accurate.

00:47:26.000 He said, if you expect regular people to get extraordinary results, you're being silly.

00:47:33.000 You're going to get weird people that are going to get weird results.

00:47:36.000 That's exactly right.

00:47:37.000 I agree with you.

00:47:40.000 More scientifically literate, I think, than most of the people that I know.

00:47:45.000 And I kind of feel like Shane Gillis jokes about being nicked by the Down syndrome thing.

00:47:50.000 I feel like I was nicked by that antisocial thing.

00:47:52.000 I walk into a bar, and if I don't know anybody, my first instinct is just to go sit in the corner and watch.

00:47:57.000 Well, that's part of the problem with being intelligent.

00:48:01.000 You're worried that you're going to get dragged into a dumbass conversation.

00:48:05.000 It won't be stimulating.

00:48:06.000 It's the opposite of stimulating.

00:48:08.000 Oh, it's terrible, yeah.

00:48:08.000 It's brutal.

00:48:09.000 But if you sit in the corner and watch, well, then you look like the weird old guy creeper in from the fucking corner.

00:48:14.000 So you just go sit at the bar and talk to people.

00:48:16.000 But I'm aware that I can be a little off that way.

00:48:21.000 But these guys, they're...

00:48:23.000 Every now and again, one of them will show up that's like Carl Sagan.

00:48:26.000 Now, this guy, he's just a regular Joe.

00:48:28.000 He can talk to everybody, and he happens to be a fucking great scientist.

00:48:33.000 And, you know, he got a lot of shit from his colleagues for that.

00:48:36.000 He got a lot of shit from his colleagues for taking the time to talk to the peasants.

00:48:39.000 Yeah.

00:48:40.000 And the way he did it wasn't abrasive.

00:48:43.000 You know, if somebody asked him about aliens, if they're like, man, you know, what do you think the aliens were up to over on Alpha Centauri?

00:48:50.000 What kind of technology do you think they have?

00:48:51.000 That's almost his initial response.

00:48:53.000 It'd be like, you know, he's thinking, how the fuck am I supposed to know?

00:48:56.000 Right.

00:48:57.000 But then, well, you know, Alpha Centauri is about a billion years older than our star.

00:49:01.000 So if you were to a...

00:49:02.000 He would assume that they were around for a billion years longer than us and had the same stuff.

00:49:06.000 And so he would entertain them.

00:49:08.000 And then he would do things.

00:49:09.000 He would interject a little bit of science.

00:49:11.000 When they would ask a question, he would answer it and make sure that there was a little science in that so that people that really didn't give a fuck about learning about the science, they just want to talk about UFOs?

00:49:22.000 Yeah.

00:49:23.000 Spoonful of sugar and the fucking medicine went down.

00:49:25.000 You're walking out with some science in your head, bitch.

00:49:27.000 Like it or not?

00:49:29.000 Yeah, that's being a science educator, right?

00:49:31.000 It's very important.

00:49:32.000 And very rare for them to be good.

00:49:34.000 It's very rare for them to be good.

00:49:36.000 Yeah.

00:49:37.000 Have you seen the recent images that they got from Mars of that big square?

00:49:42.000 Mm-hmm.

00:49:43.000 What the fuck is that?

00:49:45.000 It's one of those things where I was talking to Jamie just before the show.

00:49:49.000 It is a bad day to be a professional skeptic, I'm telling you what.

00:49:53.000 If you've been living the last 20 years poo-pooing all the aliens and UFO shit and whatnot, man, oh man, is it a rough day for you?

00:50:00.000 Because if that same shit was LIDAR from the South American forest, you'd be like, yeah, there's probably a village there.

00:50:06.000 It makes sense.

00:50:06.000 This is even more clear than LIDAR, right?

00:50:08.000 Yeah, I know.

00:50:08.000 It's super square.

00:50:10.000 It's above the surface.

00:50:10.000 Jamie pulled a photo of it up.

00:50:12.000 This is super recent, right?

00:50:13.000 Yeah, just a few days.

00:50:15.000 They found it recently.

00:50:16.000 I think it's been online for a while.

00:50:18.000 Oh, really?

00:50:18.000 Yeah, that's what I was reading.

00:50:20.000 Oh, so there's a mass of data that they scanned from the surface and then someone just detected this recently?

00:50:26.000 I think someone just found it on the website.

00:50:28.000 It might be one of those things.

00:50:30.000 It's like, who is going to go by hand over each one of these images?

00:50:34.000 And, I mean, you're dealing with the entire surface of a planet that's, what is it, like three-quarters of the size of Earth?

00:50:42.000 I think that might even be a little small.

00:50:44.000 That's smaller than that?

00:50:46.000 Or larger than that?

00:50:47.000 I think it's a little larger, but I could be wrong.

00:50:50.000 Well, so something smaller than Earth, but bigger than the Moon, and you're going to go over the entire surface of it.

00:50:55.000 It's a lot.

00:50:56.000 Yeah, and I think they think the rough estimates of this square are between 300 meters and multiple kilometers.

00:51:07.000 They don't know how big it is.

00:51:08.000 You know, it's because it's like, it's hard to get a reference.

00:51:11.000 Yeah.

00:51:12.000 So I think the estimate is at the very smallest, it's several hundred meters across.

00:51:16.000 So this thing, this square, it's really crazy.

00:51:21.000 Because it's right angle, right angle, right angle, right angle.

00:51:24.000 Yeah.

00:51:25.000 And doesn't look to be very asymmetrical either.

00:51:29.000 This one says, like, they added that square so you can see it better.

00:51:32.000 It's like superimposed on that one.

00:51:34.000 Yeah, but this is the original image.

00:51:36.000 Just this alone.

00:51:37.000 You're like, what the fuck is that?

00:51:38.000 Like I said, if you were to tell me that was a LiDAR picture from South America, I'd be like, okay.

00:51:43.000 Yeah.

00:51:43.000 It's just too convenient that it makes a square.

00:51:47.000 It just seems so weird.

00:51:49.000 It is.

00:51:50.000 And then there's another image that goes along with this that's even more bizarre.

00:51:54.000 Maybe not even more bizarre, but it's like, almost looks like a cone, like a cone structure that's emanating from the surface, like surrounded by a circle.

00:52:04.000 Yeah.

00:52:05.000 Have you seen that one?

00:52:06.000 I've seen that one, but I've seen people talking about it.

00:52:08.000 See if you can find that one, Jamie.

00:52:10.000 Yeah, it's real weird stuff.

00:52:13.000 And no one has...

00:52:15.000 Like, the face on Mars was real interesting.

00:52:18.000 I got really into Richard Hoagland and all his Cydonia stuff for a while, but he was making some very bizarre measurements.

00:52:25.000 Like, if you go one half of the distance between this and three-quarters of the way between that, it's the exact number that takes a...

00:52:31.000 But don't do that.

00:52:33.000 How about don't do that?

00:52:34.000 Don't do that.

00:52:35.000 How about don't just fucking arbitrarily look for some sort of...

00:52:39.000 I did that in a video once, kind of being a dick, making fun of the idea that there's all this data encoded in the vases.

00:52:45.000 I have no problem with the idea of the vases being proof that these guys were...

00:52:49.000 They're definitely fucking exacting and whatnot.

00:52:52.000 But the idea that they've hidden data...

00:52:55.000 Is that the Cydonia face?

00:52:58.000 I guess it's right by the square.

00:53:00.000 What?

00:53:00.000 Really?

00:53:01.000 Wow.

00:53:02.000 I guess, right?

00:53:03.000 Is that what that's saying?

00:53:04.000 I don't know.

00:53:05.000 Oh my god, it says the giant square structure, just a short hike from the legendary face on Mars.

00:53:10.000 Holy shit!

00:53:11.000 That's crazy.

00:53:12.000 How did they miss that?

00:53:13.000 They were concentrating on the face, which is like, it might be a face, it might not be.

00:53:18.000 To me, the original images, yeah, look really wild.

00:53:22.000 But then the images afterwards were like, oh no, it's just the weird light hitting it in a certain way.

00:53:28.000 And you can find plenty of structures on Earth that will do a similar thing.

00:53:33.000 I saw this too.

00:53:35.000 Why is that?

00:53:38.000 This is weird shit they're finding.

00:53:40.000 It's sticking out.

00:53:42.000 You find weird shit in nature.

00:53:44.000 That's not as compelling as the other one.

00:53:46.000 There was something that looked like a cone.

00:53:48.000 So the actual...

00:53:50.000 What is that dirty stuff?

00:53:53.000 I just typed in Mars' photo.

00:53:56.000 Time for a bathroom break.

00:53:58.000 What's wrong with Twitter?

00:54:00.000 It's kind of wild that Twitter has hardcore porn on it.

00:54:03.000 It always has.

00:54:04.000 Very weird.

00:54:05.000 I'm not complaining.

00:54:06.000 Do whatever you want.

00:54:07.000 I'm all for doing whatever you want.

00:54:09.000 But this original tract of images, it's a long one, and if you scroll through it, one of them is some very bizarre-looking Cone-like structure.

00:54:21.000 That's it.

00:54:22.000 That's it.

00:54:23.000 Oh, okay.

00:54:24.000 Yeah, that is weird.

00:54:25.000 Very weird.

00:54:26.000 Like, what's that?

00:54:27.000 I mean, it could be just a mountain, but it looks like a zit.

00:54:31.000 It does.

00:54:32.000 And the fact that it's so close to that other thing, that's what's screwing.

00:54:36.000 There's the face, too.

00:54:37.000 Yeah.

00:54:37.000 The faces and they're all...

00:54:39.000 Yeah, so it's all this one area that's been studied for a long time as being that there's a bunch of different things there that you could interpret as being some sort of a structure.

00:54:49.000 Well, Jimmy was sharing that video in response to this, of Buzz Aldrin saying that there's like a monolith on the moon.

00:54:58.000 Yeah.

00:54:58.000 I hadn't seen that before.

00:54:59.000 I mean, I embarrassingly hadn't.

00:55:02.000 I've always been a little out of the UFO side of things.

00:55:04.000 I've always watched it, but always, you know, just a little bit.

00:55:07.000 I'm usually looking at pyramids.

00:55:09.000 Wouldn't he like to feed Buzz Aldrin some mushrooms and say, tell me what you know?

00:55:12.000 Dude, yeah.

00:55:13.000 Tell me what you really know.

00:55:14.000 I like...

00:55:15.000 Did you really go?

00:55:16.000 I like the clip when he punches that fucking dude.

00:55:18.000 Yeah.

00:55:19.000 Wow.

00:55:20.000 Yeah, that guy...

00:55:20.000 You're a liar!

00:55:22.000 Yeah.

00:55:24.000 Needs to work on his punch.

00:55:26.000 Had a clean shot and didn't do much damage.

00:55:26.000 Yeah.

00:55:28.000 Hey, it was a zero-gravity training.

00:55:30.000 His bones are deteriorated from being in space for so long.

00:55:33.000 That is a wild thing that does happen to them.

00:55:35.000 It takes forever for your body to get back to normal.

00:55:38.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

00:55:39.000 When you're up there for a while.

00:55:40.000 It's crazy to think that, like, that stress is needed.

00:55:43.000 Like, if you don't have those kinds of stresses in your life that, like, your body just...

00:55:47.000 Yeah, which fucks up the whole Superman myth.

00:55:50.000 If Superman came over here, his body would deteriorate.

00:55:52.000 Yeah.

00:55:53.000 After a while, he'd be just like us.

00:55:54.000 Poor guy.

00:55:55.000 Right?

00:55:55.000 It wouldn't work.

00:55:56.000 You can't just fly.

00:55:58.000 But obviously.

00:56:00.000 Cartoons.

00:56:00.000 No x-ray vision.

00:56:01.000 Yeah, all those things.

00:56:01.000 Comic books.

00:56:02.000 The ability to go so fast you could spin time backwards, remember?

00:56:06.000 Spin the Earth back the opposite direction.

00:56:08.000 Save Lois Lane, yes.

00:56:10.000 Water goes up the hill.

00:56:12.000 Yeah, if you could somehow or another make sense out of the possibility that a civilization existed on Mars and was wiped out millions and millions of years ago, that would change the way we think about everything.

00:56:27.000 And I feel like that square is one step closer.

00:56:32.000 To, like, really needing a comprehensive analysis of what's there.

00:56:38.000 Because before it was just like, oh, it's a lifeless planet, but at one time it had an atmosphere.

00:56:43.000 Interesting.

00:56:44.000 Oh, they found frozen water.

00:56:46.000 Oh, interesting.

00:56:47.000 Well, they actually found liquid water now.

00:56:49.000 More interesting.

00:56:50.000 Now they found a big square.

00:56:51.000 Okay.

00:56:52.000 What's that?

00:56:53.000 That one, to me, is the what's that.

00:56:56.000 And this is where, in my mind, the...

00:56:59.000 This is where that skeptics versus dreamers thing gets really fucked because the answer should be the same for everybody.

00:57:08.000 Let's just – next expedition.

00:57:10.000 Let's poke around a little up there, right?

00:57:12.000 Let's find out the evidence.

00:57:14.000 But the answer is always from one side, it's definitely this.

00:57:18.000 From the other side, it's definitely not – not completely, but to the point where we don't get – To draw a parallel with that Yonaguni, the underwater site that Graham Hancock likes to talk about.

00:57:29.000 The skeptics are certain that it's a geological formation.

00:57:33.000 Most of the other people are not.

00:57:36.000 We need work done.

00:57:37.000 The clear fucking answer is just put some money at it, put some bodies on it, and until then, the answer, in my mind, is when somebody asks me, what do I think about Yonaguni?

00:57:46.000 I say, well, it's interesting.

00:57:47.000 It's probably been eroded for a long time, so it might be...

00:57:50.000 Man-made and just looks naturally.

00:57:52.000 It might be natural.

00:57:54.000 We need more evidence before I'm going to hang my hat anywhere.

00:57:56.000 Right.

00:57:57.000 Which is very reasonable.

00:57:58.000 And in all honesty, it should be the scientific position.

00:58:01.000 It should be the position that the scientists are espousing.

00:58:03.000 If they wanted to have credibility in this sphere, they should be the ones towing that line and then let the pyramidiots all be certain.

00:58:12.000 And this is how we know it was.

00:58:13.000 And the scientists can look.

00:58:15.000 But instead, they'd get in the mud and act just like everybody else.

00:58:18.000 They also stall progress.

00:58:20.000 Big time.

00:58:21.000 They stall progress by dismissing any possibility.

00:58:26.000 Like, what are those ones, is it near the Bahamas, those enormous stones that are on the floor, the surface of the ocean?

00:58:33.000 The Bimini Road?

00:58:34.000 That's right.

00:58:35.000 That one's weird.

00:58:36.000 If you don't think that's weird, like, come on.

00:58:39.000 And they're right.

00:58:41.000 I would agree with a geologist that there's a really good chance that it's just beach rock.

00:58:45.000 However, we can do work.

00:58:48.000 This is the stuff, it's like other people that, you know, if you say that the rocks are geopolymers in Sacsayhuaman or whatever, it's like, there's no reason for us to argue about this, man.

00:58:48.000 Yeah.

00:58:58.000 We just fucking do some work.

00:59:00.000 Right.

00:59:01.000 The Bimini Road was really interesting.

00:59:03.000 There's a lot of really interesting stuff that they find under the water that makes you think, okay, what is this?

00:59:10.000 And the Yanaguni thing, like, if that's the case.

00:59:13.000 See, that, to me, that could easily be natural.

00:59:16.000 Yeah.

00:59:17.000 When I'm looking at it right there, that easily could be natural.

00:59:20.000 They're not uniform enough for bells to go off, you know?

00:59:25.000 But that one lower right, that one right below that, Jamie, right below your cursor to the right, that one freaks me out a little.

00:59:32.000 That seems like those are stacked.

00:59:34.000 Yeah, it does.

00:59:35.000 It seems very much like that.

00:59:37.000 And when you're dealing with...

00:59:40.000 If you want to go really crazy with like the John Anthony West version of it, which is like 30,000 plus years, that's probably what you would have left over.

00:59:48.000 Yeah, that's very accurate there.

00:59:51.000 There's a thought tool that archaeologists use called the Silurian hypothesis.

00:59:57.000 And Silurian is like this Doctor Who bad guy that was...

01:00:01.000 Went into hibernation.

01:00:03.000 They went into hibernation like before the dinosaurs died out.

01:00:03.000 There were lizards.

01:00:06.000 And then they wake up one day and there's all these monkeys running around on their planet.

01:00:10.000 But that's the Doctor Who thing, right?

01:00:13.000 But the Silurian hypothesis is basically a thought tool for archaeologists and historians to say, well, if there was an advanced civilization on Earth 10 million years ago...

01:00:22.000 What will we need to find in order for it to exist?

01:00:26.000 Or what would we find now, 10 million years later?

01:00:30.000 And the answer is usually like radioactive material.

01:00:32.000 It's like 10 million years, man.

01:00:34.000 You might find a couple of bones, but the odds of finding anything that's going to actually prove that they had technology?

01:00:40.000 Not much.

01:00:41.000 That's also the problem with the idea of this.

01:00:45.000 Very sophisticated construction methods of the pyramids that were using some sort of advanced technology.

01:00:51.000 If John Anthony West is correct, and he's talking about 30 plus thousand years, what would be left after 30,000 years?

01:01:00.000 Well, certainly not much metal.

01:01:02.000 No.

01:01:02.000 Oh, no.

01:01:03.000 That stuff would be looted right away.

01:01:05.000 And even if it wasn't, what would be actually left of it if it was just like sitting on the ground?

01:01:10.000 Be rotted and melted.

01:01:11.000 To nothing.

01:01:14.000 The video that you sent me yesterday, the one with the stone nubs, they talked about holes.

01:01:22.000 All those, I can't say for all of the sites, but like the Coliseum and stuff, they used metal to bond the bricks together and the concrete together in places.

01:01:31.000 So years later...

01:01:33.000 When the city's under attack and they need metal to make swords, they looted it.

01:01:36.000 That's recorded.

01:01:38.000 And it happened a lot in the Roman world.

01:01:38.000 That makes sense.

01:01:41.000 I'm glad you brought up the nubs.

01:01:42.000 Yeah.

01:01:43.000 Because the nubs, that was one of the videos that I watched of yours yesterday, where what we're talking about, folks, is...

01:01:51.000 There's many places like Machu Picchu.

01:01:54.000 What other places have nubs?

01:01:55.000 Oh, all over the place.

01:01:57.000 Even that Montana thing, which is weird.

01:01:59.000 You'll see them on Egyptian sarcophagi.

01:02:02.000 You'll see them on the unfinished casing stones at the bottom of Mancari's Pyramid.

01:02:07.000 You'll see them basically.

01:02:09.000 Almost every megalithic site on the planet has some nubs somewhere.

01:02:13.000 If they're finished blocks, you'll usually find nubs somewhere.

01:02:16.000 And do you think that it's possible that those nubs were used?

01:02:22.000 Oh, yeah, absolutely.

01:02:23.000 I mean, there's a technique called a lifting boss that's used to lift big things like that.

01:02:31.000 But there's a couple of issues with that being the only reason that they're used.

01:02:37.000 For one, a lot of times they're small like that and they wouldn't really do you much good.

01:02:40.000 For two, a lot of times we see them like on the lids of a coffin, for example, which you wouldn't want to leave it there afterwards because you don't want to facilitate them.

01:02:49.000 The next guy to be able to pop the coffin lid, right?

01:02:51.000 You say that they're small, but if you were trying to place something exactly and you were lifting it up from the bottom, the only way you would be able to do that is if you had something like a nub sticking on the outside of it.

01:03:03.000 Yeah, in order to catch a rope or keep it from walking or something like that.

01:03:06.000 Or whatever it is, boards or whatever you're using to lift that and place it into position.

01:03:12.000 Yeah.

01:03:13.000 Oh, yeah.

01:03:13.000 Like I say, they are...

01:03:18.000 Lifting bosses are a thing.

01:03:20.000 It's not unknown.

01:03:23.000 There's a good possibility.

01:03:25.000 I mean, there's not a good possibility.

01:03:26.000 Quite certainly, quite frequently, these were used for that.

01:03:29.000 Interesting also that the bottom stones don't have them.

01:03:34.000 The fact, a lot of people do bring up a good point.

01:03:36.000 I didn't talk about it in my video, but its interesting point is that why did they get left?

01:03:41.000 Now, like that one around the windows there, to me, that's pretty clearly...

01:03:46.000 To the left, Jimmy.

01:03:47.000 That one's pretty clearly, to me, that's functional, right?

01:03:47.000 Sorry, that one right there.

01:03:53.000 Right.

01:03:54.000 That looks like maybe you had an iron gate attached to it or something.

01:03:58.000 Veranda or some shit.

01:03:59.000 A smoking balcony.

01:04:01.000 But some of them, on the other hand, they look a lot more questionable.

01:04:09.000 Those are odd.

01:04:10.000 Yeah, thank you.

01:04:11.000 They're just fucking weird.

01:04:14.000 And sometimes you see them on things that don't, like the stone was carved in the ground and they left these on.

01:04:21.000 Sorry, Jamie, to the one a little bit higher with the red tint to it, upper right-hand side.

01:04:25.000 Upper right, right above that.

01:04:26.000 Yeah, click on that.

01:04:28.000 That is so strange.

01:04:31.000 Now, on stones like these, you don't really need a lifting boss.

01:04:35.000 Look at that stone that's on the right there, that's all one to the left, that guy there.

01:04:41.000 You could just use that lip on the corner right below the cursor.

01:04:45.000 You could use that lip for a lifting box.

01:04:47.000 You could tie a rope around that thing and push it wherever the fuck you want it.

01:04:51.000 Right, but if you wanted to get it to sit down without having to pull out whatever's underneath it or whatever underneath it getting crushed, wouldn't you want something to assist you like that little nub?

01:05:02.000 No, yeah.

01:05:03.000 But again, you could just pop it into the corner on the side and do the same thing.

01:05:07.000 Right, but if you were doing that as a method for each individual stone, and some of them you couldn't pop in like that.

01:05:12.000 Okay, I can go with that.

01:05:13.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:05:13.000 Like it would be a technique that you would use to hoist these things into position.

01:05:18.000 Does anybody have an explanation of what these things are?

01:05:20.000 Yeah, I mean, the lifting boss is what the mainstream explanation is, that all of them were for that.

01:05:27.000 And there's, again, there's...

01:05:29.000 It's the ubiquity that really makes it different to me.

01:05:32.000 It's like, and they're popping up on different sides of the ocean, and that's where it just seems kind of weird.

01:05:38.000 It's like, for it to show up looking so similar, used so similar, all over the place, left behind when they're done, that's kind of weird too.

01:05:47.000 Right, they didn't polish them down.

01:05:48.000 They didn't polish them down, yeah.

01:05:50.000 The rest of the walls, a lot of times, I mean, the stones are fitted so well together, clearly they knew how to make these stones flat as fuck.

01:05:56.000 Why is this part...

01:05:57.000 Still got this big tit hanging off of it.

01:05:59.000 It's weird.

01:06:02.000 Despite the title of my video saying the true purpose, that's just clickbait.

01:06:06.000 Nobody knows.

01:06:08.000 The best mainstream explanation would be lifting bosses.

01:06:12.000 The most common alternate history explanation is usually like a leftover from the...

01:06:20.000 Concrete being pulled out like the guy on the video was saying or it's like if you have a bag of concrete and it's just like the one little spot that kind of seeps out.

01:06:29.000 I don't think that they're from geopolymers.

01:06:32.000 Yeah, I've heard the concrete explanation too as far as the stones in the Great Pyramid.

01:06:38.000 Yeah, no.

01:06:40.000 Again, we can test these things.

01:06:41.000 That's where...

01:06:43.000 Some of the guys that claim that everything's geopolymers will pretend that we can't test things.

01:06:48.000 But the reality is we absolutely can test that for that kind of shit.

01:06:51.000 I mean, that's not difficult at all, actually.

01:06:54.000 So the problem is, and this is where it gets, like you said, the archaeologists stand between things.

01:07:00.000 The problem is that in certain places in the world, like Peru, for example, and Bolivia, it's fucking hard to get.

01:07:09.000 Look at those alien bodies right now in Peru, right?

01:07:11.000 Yeah.

01:07:12.000 Oh, we've been looking at them.

01:07:12.000 Okay.

01:07:13.000 Oh, I'm sure you have.

01:07:14.000 And the scientists keep saying they're real.

01:07:16.000 But the only fucking scientists I ever see weighing in on them are Peruvian scientists.

01:07:19.000 It's like, okay, let some people from around the world...

01:07:22.000 Fuck you guys.

01:07:22.000 Oh, no, no, no.

01:07:23.000 These are us.

01:07:24.000 All right, man.

01:07:26.000 But is that like a hyper-exaggerated version of the Boneyard?

01:07:26.000 That's...

01:07:29.000 It could be.

01:07:31.000 With deeper implications?

01:07:33.000 It could be, but we've seen a lot of the same kind of stuff with them with...

01:07:38.000 They have a problem in Peru with archaeology and corruption with the money.

01:07:43.000 I don't know if you saw my video on the elongated skulls.

01:07:46.000 I didn't.

01:07:48.000 That video, I just covered basically how those things came in these big bundles.

01:07:52.000 They'd get these grave bags and there'd be a body in there.

01:07:56.000 So they harvested a couple, I think it's like 600 of these bundles.

01:08:01.000 Every time, they just get opened and willy-nilly shit get moved around.

01:08:06.000 Rockefeller ends up trading for a few of them and to finance because they didn't have finances to store these things properly.

01:08:14.000 So Rockefeller got some of those heads?

01:08:15.000 Oh, yeah.

01:08:17.000 And we don't know how many exactly.

01:08:20.000 Reportedly just four.

01:08:22.000 But, like, he gives the money to these people to, like, restore all these mummies, and the first thing that they do is they restore a bunch of textiles that other mummies that they don't have anymore were, like, packed in and shit.

01:08:32.000 It's just...

01:08:33.000 Even all the way up into the 60s, an anthropologist opened, like, 70-some-odd bundles.

01:08:40.000 Recorded what he found in four of them and put the rest back on the fucking shelf.

01:08:44.000 They've been stealing artifacts and selling them on the open market.

01:08:47.000 It's all about money.

01:08:48.000 So really rich people, like some billionaire guy goes, I want a mummy.

01:08:52.000 What do I got to get to?

01:08:54.000 I want a mummy room in my castle.

01:08:55.000 I want one with a head.

01:08:56.000 I want one with a really weird head.

01:08:58.000 Which one's got the best head?

01:08:59.000 Let's open 60. Okay.

01:09:02.000 And that's just the Cusco tunnels.

01:09:05.000 They just...

01:09:07.000 This one's so fucked.

01:09:08.000 They just announced this January, archaeologists have discovered that there are tunnels running under Cusco and Peru.

01:09:14.000 They connect the Temple of the Sun to the fortress of Sacsayhuaman and some other places around there.

01:09:19.000 Oh, this is crazy.

01:09:21.000 We did all this LiDAR.

01:09:21.000 It's going to be great, man.

01:09:22.000 It's going to be amazing.

01:09:23.000 Amazing discovery.

01:09:25.000 Fucking Brian Forrester uploaded a video like 11 years ago of him going on a tour of those tunnels.

01:09:30.000 You could pay a guide 20 years ago to go on a tour of those tunnels.

01:09:33.000 The Spanish were writing about them in the 1600s and the late 1500s.

01:09:38.000 The only reason that we didn't investigate these tunnels is because in the 30s was when archaeology started becoming a thing and going down there and checking out those skulls and shit.

01:09:47.000 And at the exact same time, Madame Blavatsky and Edgar Cayce was like, you know, those tunnels that are supposed to be down there, I bet they were built by the Atlanteans.

01:09:55.000 And so ever since then, archaeologists have poo-pooed it.

01:09:57.000 There was a guy in the 2000s, he's an Atlantis hunter, he did ground-penetrating radar in the early 2000s, found those tunnels, they rejected his work.

01:10:05.000 He had a priest that witnessed those tunnels, has been down in them.

01:10:08.000 He was rejected out of hand.

01:10:11.000 But that's okay, because 25 years later, we found it.

01:10:14.000 I promise they didn't steal or sell anything in the last hundred years, that the world knew that these things existed, rich people were going down there and throwing money around, and there was zero safeguards.

01:10:25.000 So, to circle back to the aliens there, it's like, I have a real problem with that shit in Peru, because I can't...

01:10:32.000 It's just so tainted.

01:10:33.000 It's so corrupt.

01:10:34.000 It's so weird, too.

01:10:36.000 I mean, I love looking at it.

01:10:38.000 I wish it was real.

01:10:39.000 But that, to me, is always the problem whenever it comes to alien stuff.

01:10:42.000 I want it to be real.

01:10:44.000 So that part of my brain, I have to go, hey, stupid.

01:10:47.000 Just because this is an x-ray doesn't mean this is legit.

01:10:51.000 By the way, I can make you a fake x-ray pretty easy online these days.

01:10:55.000 It wouldn't be hard at all.

01:10:56.000 But these x-rays are so compelling that if they are legitimate x-rays, if someone really did just piece this together with a bunch of random bones, what a fantastic job they did because it doesn't look awkward at all.

01:11:10.000 It looks real.

01:11:13.000 The fakest is just a photograph of the bodies themselves.

01:11:16.000 Everything else looks fucking pretty legit.

01:11:18.000 Right.

01:11:18.000 If the x-rays are real.

01:11:20.000 And this is part of the problem.

01:11:20.000 Yes.

01:11:22.000 But the x-rays that they show, that they say are real, God, they look so cool.

01:11:28.000 I mean, you see the three-fingered hands, you see the bones look similar to ours, but different.

01:11:33.000 You know, there's enough of it that's similar to a human being's, and it is some sort of a bipedal...

01:11:41.000 You know, hominid-like creature, whatever it is.

01:11:46.000 And we know, I mean, like, we know that humans existed with a bunch of other hominids on this planet for a long time, so it wouldn't be, like, for us to discover a new species, even if they weren't aliens, wouldn't be crazy.

01:11:58.000 If they were, like, way more advanced than us, but they got wiped out.

01:12:03.000 That's, you know, there's versions of us that aren't as good as us, that aren't here anymore.

01:12:09.000 Right?

01:12:10.000 So we have homo sapiens, Denisovans, they didn't discover until a decade or so ago.

01:12:15.000 Right?

01:12:15.000 So then there's a bunch of different versions of human beings that weren't as good as us.

01:12:19.000 And we're the ones that...

01:12:20.000 Maybe ones were better.

01:12:22.000 And maybe the ones that were better didn't make it.

01:12:25.000 Because we almost didn't make it a ton of times.

01:12:27.000 Yeah.

01:12:28.000 And it doesn't...

01:12:29.000 We're not...

01:12:30.000 You could say, well, why did we...

01:12:32.000 Some people would think at that point, why did we make it and the ones that were better not, if that's the case.

01:12:36.000 But we're not in direct competition with each other to survive, necessarily.

01:12:39.000 It's also with Mother Nature and all these other things.

01:12:42.000 Wrong place, wrong time.

01:12:44.000 Species gets wiped out.

01:12:45.000 Sorry.

01:12:46.000 What is this, Jamie?

01:12:47.000 I'm reading an article about the mummies right now and this popped up.

01:12:50.000 Metallic plates have been found throughout other areas of the mummy's bodies from the interior covering some of the bones to external attachments on the skin forming a bifunctional implant with no signs of rejection.

01:13:02.000 These polymetallic plates have been analyzed using a light-based measurement revealing an alloy compound of copper, cadmium, osmium.

01:13:13.000 Aluminum, gold, and silver, he added.

01:13:15.000 Notably, the silver has a purity of over 95%, which is rare in nature.

01:13:19.000 Additionally, cadmium and osmium, relatively recent discoveries, are currently used in satellite communication and satellite structures.

01:13:28.000 This is what they're telling us, though.

01:13:31.000 This is a Daily Mail article?

01:13:33.000 Yeah.

01:13:34.000 This is a Daily Mail article.

01:13:36.000 It is a Daily Mail article.

01:13:37.000 I said one was pregnant.

01:13:38.000 I think that's the one.

01:13:39.000 Yo.

01:13:40.000 They still fuck?

01:13:42.000 That's kind of crazy.

01:13:43.000 They don't have dicks.

01:13:44.000 Has it pregnant, right?

01:13:46.000 Shouldn't they be farming that off to a test tube if they've gotten past intercourse?

01:13:51.000 Do it like octopi?

01:13:52.000 The really weird ones were the x-rays of the body in that position where you see all the skull and the way the skull is formed and the way the fingers are formed.

01:14:03.000 It's very weird, weird, weird stuff.

01:14:06.000 3D reconstruction of one hand?

01:14:09.000 Yeah.

01:14:10.000 Wow.

01:14:11.000 Super weird stuff.

01:14:13.000 Yeah, it is pretty wild.

01:14:15.000 If it's real.

01:14:16.000 But if it's just somebody's art project, you fuckers.

01:14:19.000 I read that the art project was the little...

01:14:22.000 Yeah, the small ones.

01:14:22.000 Small ones.

01:14:24.000 Supposedly have been debunked.

01:14:25.000 So they have hundreds of them, apparently.

01:14:27.000 What?

01:14:28.000 Yeah.

01:14:28.000 Okay.

01:14:29.000 What do we have to give you?

01:14:30.000 Trump, get on it.

01:14:32.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:14:33.000 Scrap that.

01:14:34.000 Scrap that.

01:14:34.000 Turns out they're aliens!

01:14:36.000 We no longer want an expedition to Ethiopia.

01:14:38.000 Scrap that one.

01:14:39.000 We want the bodies.

01:14:40.000 Well, we need a bunch of expeditions.

01:14:40.000 Imagine.

01:14:43.000 We need answers, you know?

01:14:44.000 We need someone who is, like, at a high position of the White House that's interested in this stuff.

01:14:50.000 That would be very nice.

01:14:51.000 Yeah.

01:14:52.000 Like, find one of them things, bring it to America, and let's do a live stream of scientists actually analyzing it so it doesn't get gatekeeped at all.

01:15:01.000 Yeah.

01:15:01.000 We just get a chance to see, like, show the whole world what this is.

01:15:06.000 They did that with a couple of the bundles.

01:15:08.000 They tried to with a couple of the bundles in the 50s.

01:15:10.000 There was an anthropologist that opened up two of them on video.

01:15:15.000 And when I was researching for my video, I found that those...

01:15:19.000 Movie reels are lost.

01:15:20.000 Nobody knows where they went.

01:15:22.000 They just disappeared.

01:15:23.000 Big fucking shock.

01:15:24.000 There's a newspaper article that recorded what she found in one of them.

01:15:28.000 That newspaper article is not in their archives.

01:15:31.000 It just stinks.

01:15:33.000 It just stinks.

01:15:34.000 It's like I am not...

01:15:36.000 Well, yeah.

01:15:37.000 I'm not a conspiratorial type of person, but I'm not stupid either, right?

01:15:40.000 It's a pretty clear fucking conspiracy there.

01:15:43.000 So what was supposedly the synopsis of her article?

01:15:48.000 She was just talking about what she found inside of one of those mummy bundles with the elongated skulls and the artifacts that would be in there, the grave goods and stuff.

01:15:56.000 The thing about the elongated skulls is that some of them have a larger capacity, which is interesting.

01:16:01.000 So it's not simply, like, because we know that there's a technique that they do with young children where they put boards on the side of their heads and they flatten their head.

01:16:08.000 You can actually form someone's head.

01:16:10.000 But that's not necessarily what was being done here.

01:16:13.000 No, there's...

01:16:16.000 The kind of nuanced argument is that some of them were legitimate aliens or other species or whatever, and then some of them were people trying to emulate that with their own kids.

01:16:27.000 Right, like that it was a status symbol to have that elongated head, and some people tried to fake it and pretend.

01:16:33.000 Maybe it was just a genetic anomaly, right?

01:16:36.000 Some sort of bizarre, like we talked about this, the people that are born, there's a certain tribe in Africa where a bunch of them have only two toes, and they look like ostrich feet.

01:16:47.000 Have you seen that?

01:16:48.000 No, I haven't.

01:16:48.000 That's crazy.

01:16:49.000 Jimmy can find it.

01:16:50.000 It's real weird.

01:16:51.000 So it's some genetic anomaly that a lot of people have there.

01:16:56.000 It's not rare.

01:16:58.000 There's a photo of a bunch of them sitting there with their feet up.

01:17:02.000 That's what their toes look like.

01:17:05.000 And so there's quite a few people that have this genetic anomaly with their toes.

01:17:10.000 Wow.

01:17:10.000 Yeah.

01:17:11.000 Very strange.

01:17:12.000 So they have two enormous toes.

01:17:15.000 So their feet are completely different than ours.

01:17:18.000 Wow.

01:17:18.000 Yeah.

01:17:19.000 And there's quite a few people that have that.

01:17:21.000 Now, you could imagine that a similar genetic anomaly could take place with the shape of the skull.

01:17:27.000 Absolutely.

01:17:28.000 If you could develop people that were a bunch of them, or it's a gene that can spread, like you can pass it on, that you could have something where people had a larger head and a weird-shaped head.

01:17:40.000 If it offered any sort of advantage at all, you know, and you might think, well, how could that be?

01:17:40.000 Yeah.

01:17:49.000 A problem, but if it offered any sort of advantage, like the, you know, the Galapagos Islands, right?

01:17:55.000 The iguanas there that go down and swim in the water and eat moss off the bottom, they all got webbed feet.

01:18:01.000 So, it...

01:18:03.000 It stands to reason to me that whatever happened that isolated Galapagos and made it a shitty place to try to find food for an iguana, you got one of these iguanas, it's a little mutant McNugget running around, and he's got webbed toes already, and he's like, fuck, man, nobody wants to hang out with me because I look all weird.

01:18:18.000 But then this happens, and all of a sudden he's the only guy that can consistently get food.

01:18:22.000 It's, you know, that kind of...

01:18:27.000 Well, those weird adaptations take place quicker than they thought.

01:18:33.000 And a good example of that is the Congo.

01:18:36.000 You know, there's parts of the Congo where there's an amazing BBC documentary about it.

01:18:41.000 It was a multiple-disc CD, DVD, rather, thing that I had back in the day.

01:18:46.000 And this Congo documentary, one of the things they found was there was a lot of plains animals that got trapped in the Congo.

01:18:53.000 So the Congo...

01:18:55.000 Because of the change of the climate there, at one point in time, it was plains, so it was grasslands.

01:19:01.000 So you have all these antelope and all these different animals that normally exist in these open, wide areas, but they're jammed into a rainforest now, and they've adapted.

01:19:12.000 And one of the animals that adapted is the diker.

01:19:14.000 So the diker is a small antelope that can swim underwater for as much as 100 yards and eats fish.

01:19:20.000 Jesus.

01:19:21.000 Yeah.

01:19:22.000 Wow.

01:19:23.000 So this thing that lived out in the plains, like all the other little antelopes, now can fucking swim.

01:19:23.000 Okay.

01:19:29.000 And dives underwater and can swim 100 yards underwater.

01:19:33.000 That's insane.

01:19:34.000 And eats fish.

01:19:35.000 So this weird adaptation that takes place just in the Congo, which is this incredibly vital environment that so much diversity of life exists in.

01:19:35.000 That's insane.

01:19:47.000 That's weird.

01:19:48.000 It's weird, but it's crazy how ubiquitous those things can be.

01:19:53.000 Like, you know, Madagascar and the lemurs?

01:19:57.000 Lemurs basically, like, have all these evolutionary niches in Madagascar filled in.

01:20:02.000 Like instead of a woodpecker, there's a lemur with a big-ass fucking finger.

01:20:06.000 And he tap- tap- tap- tap- tap- tap- tap.

01:20:09.000 Yeah, you can look that guy up if you want, Jamie.

01:20:12.000 Whoa.

01:20:13.000 Madagascar's got almost every major evolutionary niche is filled by a lemur.

01:20:18.000 Really?

01:20:19.000 Yeah, it's a fucking lemur island, man.

01:20:21.000 It's just, like, the different kind of lemurs on Madagascar are all over the place.

01:20:25.000 It's not every single one, but, like, woodpeckers.

01:20:28.000 There's no fucking woodpeckers there.

01:20:30.000 The insect-eating birds are not birds, they're lemurs.

01:20:33.000 The whole island is, uh...

01:20:33.000 Whoa.

01:20:36.000 That's it.

01:20:38.000 Look at that.

01:20:38.000 Look at those fucking claws.

01:20:40.000 How weird.

01:20:42.000 That looks fake.

01:20:45.000 The eye-eye.

01:20:46.000 The finger of death.

01:20:47.000 The world's most demonic lemur is also its most endangered.

01:20:51.000 Meet the creature with the ugliest finger on the planet.

01:20:52.000 What does it look like, the full version of it?

01:20:56.000 Whoa!

01:20:57.000 Look at his eyes.

01:20:59.000 What a cool-looking creature.

01:21:03.000 Wow, that's a lemur.

01:21:04.000 Yeah.

01:21:05.000 That looks like something from, like, Lord of the Rings.

01:21:07.000 That does not even look like a real creature.

01:21:10.000 Yeah, it's, uh...

01:21:11.000 Evolution's crazy that way.

01:21:13.000 And it's like, whoa, look at that little fucker.

01:21:17.000 You get a great example of like, like you probably heard them say that like the dinosaurs get wiped out and allowed mammals the opportunity to take over the planet.

01:21:27.000 Like otherwise mammals would have just been a bunch of shrews running around in the grass.

01:21:31.000 And that's that exact kind of thing.

01:21:33.000 It's like that lemur ain't going to outcompete woodpeckers, but he don't have to.

01:21:39.000 So he gets to take off and do his thing.

01:21:42.000 Because there are no woodpeckers there.

01:21:43.000 Yeah, so something fills that niche.

01:21:45.000 Exactly.

01:21:45.000 So it's that same kind of thing.

01:21:47.000 We get to see it in...

01:21:48.000 You were talking about the...

01:21:50.000 What's the name of that deer thing you were talking about?

01:21:53.000 The diker.

01:21:53.000 Diker.

01:21:54.000 It's an antelope.

01:21:55.000 Antelope, yes.

01:21:56.000 To become an underwater meat-eater, that's quite a jump.

01:22:02.000 There's probably not many alligators down there doing that exact same job.

01:22:05.000 I mean, not many things taking its spot.

01:22:08.000 Otherwise, it wouldn't have been able to find a niche there.

01:22:10.000 There wouldn't have been no food.

01:22:12.000 Right.

01:22:12.000 Yeah.

01:22:14.000 It's really interesting.

01:22:15.000 There's herds of antelope running through dense rainforest, running through puddles in the water and everything.

01:22:21.000 Really crazy because they just sort of got trapped there.

01:22:24.000 Wow.

01:22:25.000 That's so insane.

01:22:27.000 It's like the...

01:22:29.000 The mountains that they have in South America where they've got, basically it's like the same as an island where it's like nothing can go down from a certain elevation.

01:22:38.000 So like there's a bunch of things that live up in the mountains that are basically evolutionary isolated and have been for 10,000, 20,000 years.

01:22:46.000 And so you've got a bunch of goofy...

01:22:48.000 Species that are only...

01:22:49.000 Next mountain over, they're a little bit different.

01:22:51.000 Next mountain over, they're a little bit different.

01:22:53.000 Same as the finches that Darwin was chasing around in the early days.

01:22:56.000 Pretty interesting stuff.

01:22:58.000 I can nerd out on all that shit for a long time.

01:23:01.000 I love it.

01:23:01.000 But just the sheer variety.

01:23:02.000 The sheer variety of life forms that we know are real.

01:23:06.000 And what's interesting is things that are cryptic, cryptozoology type deals, people are so dismissive of them.

01:23:14.000 But I'm like, by God, there's so much that's real.

01:23:17.000 There's so much that's real.

01:23:19.000 Like, one of my favorites is the little hobbit man from the island of Flores, because that was dismissed forever.

01:23:25.000 That was just nonsense until a couple decades ago.

01:23:28.000 They're like, oh, hey, okay, we just found something that's like a little tiny person, a little three-foot person that's not us, you know, but it's bipedal, and it seems to have worked with tools and hunted.

01:23:42.000 It's funny how skeptical they get with the stuff.

01:23:45.000 Well, it's not even skeptical, it's cynical.

01:23:48.000 I mean, clearly.

01:23:50.000 We know that island dwarfism exists, which is where things get smaller or bigger on islands, depending, right?

01:23:56.000 You might have some big-ass swans and some small elephants on an island.

01:23:59.000 Yeah, lizards get bigger, right?

01:24:00.000 Exactly.

01:24:00.000 Smaller things tend to get bigger, and bigger things tend to get smaller.

01:24:04.000 So if we know that's a thing, then why is it a problem to assume that that would happen with humans or with hominids?

01:24:10.000 Right, we know what happens with elephants.

01:24:12.000 Yeah.

01:24:12.000 Dwarf elephants on these islands.

01:24:16.000 And that's the kind of thing that honestly almost sounds like religious thinking, not scientific thinking to me.

01:24:21.000 It's like we're better and we're immune to all the same forces of nature.

01:24:25.000 It's like a scientist should just be like, okay, man, it could be.

01:24:30.000 It's just ego.

01:24:32.000 Ego works with everything in the wrong direction, including science.

01:24:36.000 To me, that's kind of...

01:24:41.000 It's kind of fucked because even though I know that those guys, like I was saying earlier, are socially awkward and probably emotionally stunted quite frequently, can't even suss their own feelings.

01:24:51.000 But at the same time, it's like science is the whole fucking expedition, the whole undertaking, the whole reason you do it.

01:25:00.000 Is to see clearly, and when trying to get rid of, Joe has an opinion, Jamie has an opinion, Dan has an opinion, they're all different, but if we all see the same thing, we can be pretty sure that this is real.

01:25:11.000 But if I see it different than you, than Jamie, well now...

01:25:14.000 Yeah.

01:25:15.000 And so when they inject their ego heavily into it, political quite frequently nowadays, it's...

01:25:22.000 It's not fucking science anymore.

01:25:23.000 You are defiling the thing that you set out to do, and you know you're doing it.

01:25:28.000 So I get kind of worked up.

01:25:29.000 Let's just call it truth.

01:25:30.000 Truth is the most valuable thing if you're speaking openly about something.

01:25:34.000 If you're talking about something publicly, truth is the most important thing.

01:25:37.000 As soon as you are willing to violate truth to preserve something else, like your status, your ego, your place in the hierarchy of information, well, now I can't...

01:25:49.000 I don't listen to you anymore because I know you're willing to lie.

01:25:51.000 You're a grifter.

01:25:52.000 Yeah, and obviously politics is the best example of that.

01:25:55.000 I mean, especially today.

01:25:57.000 I guess it's probably a good time to talk about this.

01:26:00.000 There was a thing that came out recently.

01:26:02.000 There was a book.

01:26:03.000 There was some book about the Kamala Harris campaign where they talked about her getting on the show.

01:26:08.000 And they said a bunch of things that weren't true.

01:26:11.000 They supposedly talked to 150 different people about her and what happened with her coming on the show.

01:26:18.000 I don't know if it's 150. A lot of people.

01:26:20.000 They didn't talk to us, which is kind of crazy.

01:26:25.000 They didn't even ask.

01:26:27.000 But they said things that just weren't true.

01:26:30.000 One of the things they said that weren't true was that we lied about the day that Trump was coming on.

01:26:37.000 No, we just didn't tell you that Trump was coming on.

01:26:39.000 He was already booked a long time ago.

01:26:41.000 This is how it worked.

01:26:42.000 Trump was really easy to book, like super easy.

01:26:45.000 We offered one day.

01:26:47.000 He said yes.

01:26:48.000 That was it.

01:26:49.000 There was no, what are we going to talk about?

01:26:51.000 How long is it going to be?

01:26:52.000 Is it going to be edited?

01:26:53.000 There was nothing.

01:26:54.000 What's the waiver?

01:26:55.000 Here, give me that waiver.

01:26:56.000 Sign it.

01:26:57.000 It was so easy.

01:26:58.000 So he was already booked.

01:27:00.000 They never committed to doing the show.

01:27:02.000 So all this talk, there was another thing they said that the reason why they did the Beyonce thing.

01:27:06.000 The Beyonce event in Houston was so that they could be in Texas to do my show.

01:27:10.000 They never agreed to do the show.

01:27:12.000 None of that's true.

01:27:13.000 They never agreed.

01:27:14.000 That's fucked.

01:27:15.000 They also said that they sent someone down here to the studio to do a walkthrough of the set.

01:27:21.000 That's not true.

01:27:22.000 The Trump administration did.

01:27:24.000 I mean...

01:27:25.000 If they are trying to say that they, as in the entire federal government, well, I don't think the Trump...

01:27:30.000 Well, I guess the Secret Service is a part of the federal government.

01:27:34.000 Maybe you can kind of get away with saying that because the Secret Service came down here for Trump and looked around, that we sent someone down.

01:27:42.000 But it was not.

01:27:42.000 It was the Trump administration sent them down because they're the only ones that had a date to do the show.

01:27:47.000 These people didn't have a date to do.

01:27:49.000 They never agreed to do the show.

01:27:50.000 This is really important.

01:27:52.000 Even after Trump went on.

01:27:55.000 They offered for me to come to DC and do a show with Kamala.

01:27:59.000 But even then, it was the same deal.

01:28:01.000 It was only like 45 minutes to an hour.

01:28:04.000 And, you know, it was not on my set.

01:28:07.000 And I said that, look, he did it here.

01:28:10.000 We should probably do it here.

01:28:11.000 Like, if it's possible to do it here.

01:28:13.000 Obviously, when he did it, it had an enormous result.

01:28:15.000 I'm willing to do the same thing for her.

01:28:17.000 I wanted to release both of them on the same day.

01:28:20.000 This was my goal.

01:28:21.000 I was even trying to figure out if there was a way that I could do it, and I even offered to do it late that night.

01:28:27.000 So the night that Trump came on, I'm like, what if we do her, like when she's done in Texas, if she came here?

01:28:33.000 But no one ever committed to doing it.

01:28:35.000 This is really important, because they keep pretending that I lied, or I did this, or I did that.

01:28:40.000 No one, they never committed to doing it.

01:28:42.000 We offered, we went through...

01:28:45.000 We have all the receipts, by the way.

01:28:48.000 Of course.

01:28:48.000 I have a whole list of conversations that took place.

01:28:52.000 They never said she was going to do it.

01:28:54.000 So this whole idea that we fucked her over and that we fucked her over for Trump, incorrect.

01:28:59.000 Just not true.

01:29:02.000 But I think it's someone trying to cover their ass for the fact that she never did it, and if she did do it, it might have had a positive effect.

01:29:09.000 If her and I had a good time, and we got along great, and she won over, you know, the air quote, young male vote.

01:29:15.000 Things could have been different.

01:29:16.000 Who knows?

01:29:16.000 So this guy's probably trying to cover his ass.

01:29:18.000 That's what I'm thinking too.

01:29:20.000 The reaction to her not coming was pretty big.

01:29:25.000 But they didn't commit to doing it.

01:29:27.000 This is the thing.

01:29:28.000 While this guy's saying that we were difficult to deal with.

01:29:31.000 Not true.

01:29:32.000 We were super easy.

01:29:33.000 We made it real clear.

01:29:35.000 But also, it's got to be the actual real show.

01:29:39.000 It shouldn't be some fake version of it where I'm sitting in a conference room.

01:29:43.000 Also, they wanted a stenographer in the room.

01:29:46.000 They wanted staff in the room.

01:29:48.000 Trump was just in here by himself.

01:29:50.000 Just me, him, and Jamie.

01:29:51.000 That's it.

01:29:51.000 For three hours.

01:29:53.000 They wanted to do everything.

01:29:54.000 They wanted it very controlled.

01:29:55.000 And they were really concerned that it wasn't going to be edited.

01:29:58.000 So I don't think they ever really were sure they wanted to do it.

01:30:01.000 Then once Trump did it and it had this huge response, I think then it was like, what the fuck?

01:30:07.000 What are we doing?

01:30:08.000 He just did it.

01:30:08.000 It's got 50 fucking million views.

01:30:10.000 This is so stupid.

01:30:10.000 Why didn't we do it?

01:30:11.000 Even then, when they offered to do it in D.C., my manager asked, is she committed to doing this?

01:30:18.000 If I bring this to Joe, no.

01:30:21.000 She hasn't committed to doing this.

01:30:22.000 Have you brought this to her?

01:30:24.000 They wouldn't even say whether or not she had expressed willingness to do it or whether they were trying to convince her to do it.

01:30:33.000 We know for sure there were some people that were supposedly on her staff that were against her doing it.

01:30:39.000 They thought it was bad.

01:30:39.000 Because, you know, it was a bunch of wokesters.

01:30:41.000 They're basically in a cult.

01:30:44.000 If you're willing to go on Fox News, you talk to, what's that guy's name, Brett Breyer?

01:30:50.000 Yeah.

01:30:51.000 Where they cut that off after 20 minutes.

01:30:53.000 When they did that, that's when I was like, look, it's got to be in the studio.

01:30:56.000 It's got to be in the studio and it's got to be real.

01:30:58.000 It's got to be a real conversation.

01:31:00.000 I had entertained a couple of times going to it, but I was like...

01:31:03.000 45 minutes is just not enough.

01:31:05.000 You know, you and I have been talking an hour and a half already.

01:31:07.000 Yeah.

01:31:08.000 Yeah, it's just like it's not enough time.

01:31:10.000 You need more time.

01:31:11.000 You need more time to find out what makes someone tick.

01:31:14.000 And that's probably what she was afraid of.

01:31:17.000 Probably what they were afraid of.

01:31:18.000 Maybe not her.

01:31:19.000 I don't think they should have been.

01:31:20.000 I think we would have had a good old time.

01:31:21.000 No, you're a good guy.

01:31:23.000 I think we would have had fun.

01:31:24.000 I think it was a huge...

01:31:27.000 Huge mistake on her part.

01:31:28.000 And let's be honest, like, it's the kind of thing that, it's reminiscent of the, forget the congressman that asked Mark Zuckerberg how Facebook makes money.

01:31:36.000 It's just like they're so, you're so detached from the modern world.

01:31:39.000 It's like you, you can spend millions of dollars on all your ad campaign all across YouTube, or you can just go sit in the room with Joe for three hours, and I'll tell you which one's going to do better for you, lady.

01:31:50.000 But she picked the ad campaigns on YouTube.

01:31:52.000 The problem is that I think the people that saw it as – they thought they were going to win anyway apparently.

01:31:58.000 And the people that saw it as a negative thought like there's been a few blunders where things didn't go well.

01:32:03.000 But I think a lot of those blunders are – I was listening to this woman on the Tucker Carlson show and she was talking about what Biden was like during the presidency.

01:32:13.000 And one of the things that she said I thought that was very interesting was that – There's many people that worked with Biden that said there were moments in his first couple of years where he was very lucid and that he would be actually running the meetings and he had talking points that were written down, but he was having these lucid conversations.

01:32:33.000 And then he would do these public things and he would have blunders.

01:32:36.000 I think a lot of it is just the pressure of performing publicly under intense scrutiny.

01:32:42.000 Like if you have to do a live set, like say if you have to do Saturday Night Live or something like that, and you're going to do a monologue, the pressure of doing that monologue is so much different than the pressure of just going up at a local comedy club.

01:32:54.000 Oh, sure.

01:32:54.000 It's insane.

01:32:56.000 And I think that pressure.

01:32:57.000 Joe Biden, as much as, you know, I'm sure he has a...

01:33:01.000 High self-opinion, clearly.

01:33:04.000 When he is confronted by the reality that half the country hates him and thinks he's doing a terrible job and then he has to talk publicly live, then I think those cognitive problems were sort of elevated.

01:33:16.000 That makes sense.

01:33:16.000 I think that's the same with her.

01:33:18.000 So I think that's the same with her when she's on Fox with Brett Breyer.

01:33:21.000 I think it's hostile environments.

01:33:23.000 I think it's large crowds.

01:33:26.000 I think it's a lot of things where you don't get to see the real person.

01:33:28.000 So that was my goal.

01:33:30.000 My goal was to try to meet the real person.

01:33:32.000 Just like I did with Trump, just try to meet and talk with the real person.

01:33:35.000 And my goal was, what I really wanted to do, which we talked about this quite a bit, me and my manager, of doing it on the same day.

01:33:43.000 And my manager, she agreed.

01:33:44.000 She said, like, this would be the perfect way to set it up.

01:33:47.000 Like, we both agree.

01:33:48.000 Put them both out at the same time.

01:33:50.000 You know, go watch them all.

01:33:52.000 See what you think.

01:33:53.000 That would be the ultimate way to do it, but they never agreed to do it.

01:33:57.000 So all this shit that's in that book that they never talked to us, just not true.

01:34:02.000 Maybe it's someone who's trying to preserve their job.

01:34:04.000 Maybe someone's trying to say, hey, it wasn't my fault.

01:34:06.000 You know, they became difficult.

01:34:08.000 No, we didn't become difficult.

01:34:10.000 The other thing was, like, they wanted to do it that Saturday, the day after Trump.

01:34:13.000 And I said, I'll do it, but it has to be at 8.30 a.m.

01:34:16.000 The reason why was I had a podcast already scheduled that was a live UFC podcast.

01:34:22.000 So we do this thing called Fight Companion.

01:34:24.000 So there was this title fight that was happening in, I think, was it Saudi Arabia?

01:34:29.000 Or was it...

01:34:30.000 Dubai or Abu Dhabi?

01:34:32.000 It was somewhere in the Middle East, I believe, if I remember correctly.

01:34:35.000 See if you can find out what that was, just so we're clear.

01:34:39.000 I have friends.

01:34:40.000 I flew in three of my buddies from California, and we were all going to do this podcast together.

01:34:45.000 We had committed to doing this.

01:34:47.000 They were already in town.

01:34:48.000 I can't just say no, guys.

01:34:50.000 I can't do this awesome thing because I have to interview Kamala Harris.

01:34:54.000 No, I understand.

01:34:55.000 Seems like I should to some people, but that's because you're in the politics business.

01:34:59.000 I'm an MMA commentator.

01:35:01.000 This is part of my job.

01:35:02.000 And I said I would do it.

01:35:03.000 I said I'll do it, but it has to be like 8.30 in the morning because I have to be done by the time the fights start.

01:35:08.000 That's reasonable.

01:35:09.000 They didn't do that either.

01:35:11.000 So this idea that I sabotaged her, there's a bunch of people that say I fucked her over or whatever.

01:35:16.000 That's not true.

01:35:18.000 You can think whatever you want, but it was Abu Dhabi.

01:35:21.000 So that was Ilya Teporia versus Max Holloway.

01:35:24.000 So for UFC fans, just so you know, for people listening that aren't UFC fans, that was a huge fight.

01:35:30.000 That was a gigantic fight.

01:35:32.000 Max Holloway just beat Justin Gaethje in like literally the knockout of all time.

01:35:37.000 And Ilya Teporia is one of the absolute best fighters.

01:35:42.000 On planet Earth, if not number one pound for pound, certainly number two.

01:35:46.000 Or number three.

01:35:47.000 So he's in the top five of the absolute best athletes in any weight class.

01:35:52.000 So this was a clash of the titans.

01:35:54.000 The greatest featherweight champion of all time versus the current featherweight champion.

01:35:58.000 So I'm not gonna miss that.

01:36:00.000 It's me.

01:36:01.000 I work around you.

01:36:01.000 I understand.

01:36:03.000 I said I would do it at night.

01:36:04.000 I'll do it at midnight.

01:36:04.000 I'll come back.

01:36:05.000 I don't give a fuck.

01:36:06.000 I'll do it.

01:36:07.000 So it wasn't me fucking someone over.

01:36:10.000 And so just whoever's in charge of spreading that narrative, that's deceptive.

01:36:17.000 Yeah.

01:36:18.000 And she missed out, man.

01:36:19.000 She could have sat in the same chair that Shane Gillis sat in, right?

01:36:22.000 Yes.

01:36:24.000 Or it could have been a wreck.

01:36:27.000 But it could have been a wreck with Trump, too.

01:36:29.000 You know, like there was a moment where me and Trump were, I was saying, tell me how the 2020 election was stolen.

01:36:37.000 Like, and I feel like if you're, for the last four years, have been telling everybody that they robbed you, you should be able to tell people how you know they robbed you, and you should be able to say it.

01:36:47.000 Yes.

01:36:47.000 Or articulate it, yes.

01:36:48.000 Clearly.

01:36:49.000 Clearly.

01:36:49.000 So I don't know what that's about.

01:36:52.000 I don't know if he has other people that tell him that.

01:36:55.000 He compartmentalized.

01:36:56.000 Like, look, hey, Rudy Giuliani, you deal with that.

01:36:58.000 I got other shit to deal with.

01:37:00.000 I'm going to deal with this.

01:37:01.000 You tell me they robbed me, I'm going to say they robbed me.

01:37:03.000 That could be it.

01:37:04.000 I don't know.

01:37:05.000 So that could have gone sideways, but it didn't.

01:37:05.000 I don't know.

01:37:08.000 It didn't.

01:37:09.000 It goes back to that how you disagree with people thing.

01:37:12.000 You don't have to be an asshole about it.

01:37:14.000 Right.

01:37:14.000 You should be able to communicate with people in a way that it's just about what you're talking about.

01:37:20.000 It's a shitty tactic to try to break a person down as a human being because you want to enforce your argument or say their argument sucks because they suck as a human being too.

01:37:29.000 Like, come on.

01:37:30.000 We're big grown-ups here.

01:37:32.000 We can just talk about the actual ideas.

01:37:34.000 Maybe we actually get to where we're trying to get to, right?

01:37:37.000 We're trying to figure out the other side.

01:37:39.000 It seems kind of cut and dry, but a lot of people miss that.

01:37:42.000 The ego's a powerful fucking thing, man.

01:37:44.000 It really is, and I'm glad we took that little side trip because I had to explain that.

01:37:50.000 But the thing is, that little monster rears its ugly head in everything.

01:37:57.000 It doesn't just rear its ugly head in politics.

01:38:00.000 It rears its ugly head in archaeology, in religion, in culture, in everything we do.

01:38:08.000 A lot of it is, I have said this for so long, I don't want to ever say I was wrong, and I will somehow or another...

01:38:17.000 Derail any arguments against me.

01:38:20.000 I will call those people racist.

01:38:22.000 I will call those people racist.

01:38:23.000 I was watching one of your videos where there's this person who listened to what Flint Dibble said about Graham Hancock and Atlantis and connecting Atlantis to white supremacy.

01:38:34.000 And she made the most distorted statement that's saying that people of color were not capable.

01:38:42.000 That this is the argument of the people that support Atlantis.

01:38:44.000 People of color, we're not capable of that sort of civilization, which literally no one has ever said.

01:38:50.000 Because everybody, especially the people that believe that that area of sub-Saharan Africa, the Reichert.

01:38:57.000 Reichert, yeah.

01:38:58.000 Reichert, how do you say it?

01:38:59.000 I think it's Reichert.

01:39:00.000 Reichert structure.

01:39:01.000 That that is Egypt, or that is rather Atlantis.

01:39:06.000 That is literally in Africa.

01:39:07.000 So who the fuck do you think built it?

01:39:09.000 If you're talking about the pyramids, no one is saying Europeans came to Africa and built the pyramids.

01:39:15.000 The Africans built the pyramids.

01:39:17.000 So none of this white supremacy thing makes any sense.

01:39:21.000 Because all these people are saying was, I think that this city in Africa was Atlantis.

01:39:28.000 If you're going to find an ancient civilization that is super advanced...

01:39:34.000 Wouldn't you think maybe it would be in an area around where there's fucking for sure ancient advanced civilizations that made pyramids?

01:39:41.000 Yeah, I mean, it's kind of a no-brainer.

01:39:43.000 It's kind of a no-brainer.

01:39:44.000 What they do, this is where Flint is especially insidious.

01:39:48.000 You know, I got along well with Flint and a bunch of other archaeologists for a long time.

01:39:54.000 But I made a video that went into the details of how Ignatius Donnelly was not the guy who...

01:39:59.000 Founded modern-day Atlantis hunting.

01:40:02.000 And he did believe in some kind of Aryan-first things.

01:40:06.000 He believed that other races weren't capable of innovating.

01:40:10.000 Yeah, but that's just one douchebag.

01:40:12.000 He was popular.

01:40:13.000 But the thing is, people that came before, they tried to make it out like...

01:40:17.000 Ignatius Donny and the guys that came before him both believed the Maya were the founding.

01:40:23.000 One of them believed the Maya fucking whooped the ass all the way over into Indian shit.

01:40:26.000 He believed that the Maya were the Egyptians.

01:40:29.000 Yeah.

01:40:29.000 What?

01:40:31.000 Augustus Leplignon is the one that believed the Maya whooped ass all over the world and the other one was...

01:40:37.000 Were the Mayas supposedly seafaring?

01:40:39.000 No.

01:40:40.000 This is his— It's just a wacky idea.

01:40:42.000 Well, Charles Attine de Bezier de Bogbo.

01:40:45.000 These are the two guys that—they were the first ones to find, like, that Chakmul statue with the weird and the heart and the plate.

01:40:52.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:40:52.000 It looks Egyptian.

01:40:53.000 They were the ones that started seeing—they're the first ones to see the similarities between these things.

01:40:59.000 And so they believed that, you know, ancient Egypt is this technologically superior place.

01:41:04.000 And here we've seen the same thing here with similar iconography.

01:41:07.000 So— I made a video explaining that the letter that the Society for American Archaeology wrote to Netflix to call Graham Hancock a racist, basically, not call him a racist.

01:41:19.000 Fuck you guys.

01:41:21.000 It was wrong.

01:41:23.000 It was erroneous.

01:41:24.000 It contained false information.

01:41:25.000 And I pointed that out and eventually Flint's...

01:41:29.000 He addressed it and his argument was, well, it doesn't really matter.

01:41:32.000 It's not a big deal.

01:41:33.000 We use the word comet and Graham talks about a comet and this other guy didn't.

01:41:37.000 And it doesn't really matter because so many white supremacists believe this shit anyway.

01:41:41.000 And it was just like – at that point, I was kind of like, OK, this isn't science anymore.

01:41:47.000 And then I watched him do that waffle and bullshit here where he did it with – when you were pushing him on it and he's like, no, I didn't say that.

01:41:54.000 Well, yeah, I said that.

01:41:54.000 Well, no, I didn't say that.

01:41:55.000 I was just like, all right, dude.

01:41:56.000 I'm going to drag you for this.

01:41:58.000 There are so many people that are used to being in a position of authority where they're never questioned like that.

01:42:02.000 And they can say that in front of a class or they can say that in front of colleagues and nobody pushes back.

01:42:07.000 And then there's also this problem with leftist ideology where if someone – if there is some sort of history at any point in time of white supremacy like that Ignatius Donnelly guy, like you have to connect even everything.

01:42:26.000 Attached to the theories of this advanced city, this advanced lost civilization, you have to attach it to white supremacy or you are a racist.

01:42:35.000 Or you're enabling, or you're a dog whistling, which is my favorite.

01:42:38.000 Dog whistling is my...

01:42:39.000 Insane.

01:42:42.000 Oh, you're racist.

01:42:43.000 God, I'm a dual lynching.

01:42:46.000 It's so dumb because, listen, if you have a place like Egypt, that's way crazier than Atlantis.

01:42:56.000 You already have a place that's fucking insane.

01:42:59.000 Yes.

01:43:00.000 That's way crazier because whatever Atlantis had, it didn't survive whatever that...

01:43:05.000 If that Reichardt structure, if that's really where it is and it was impacted by the Great Flood, by the end of the Younger Dryas, the impact theory, the water from all the polar caps rushes through and destroys everything, giant tsunamis everywhere because of the global cataclysm.

01:43:22.000 Okay, well, it wasn't as good because if that's...

01:43:25.000 The pyramids are still standing?

01:43:27.000 So all that shit happened at the same time the pyramids, too.

01:43:30.000 So what you're saying, if you really believe all that, is that the pyramids were way more advanced than Atlantis.

01:43:37.000 And believing in Atlantis is crazy.

01:43:40.000 Help me out!

01:43:42.000 And it's white supremacy, even though it's in the same part of the fucking world.

01:43:45.000 Help me out!

01:43:49.000 Basically, no matter what, they're always going to find a way to not just...

01:43:52.000 Dismiss.

01:43:53.000 They're going to poo-poo it.

01:43:53.000 Dismiss it.

01:43:57.000 That's not an underwater moment.

01:43:59.000 That doesn't look like a tool to me.

01:44:01.000 It's just this poo-poo attitude that really, it does them a huge disservice because ultimately the most interested amateurs on the planet would be us, pyramid idiots, guys that are into that kind of goofy shit.

01:44:17.000 We're the most interested, just like Carl Sagan knew his audience.

01:44:21.000 The most interested people in space were the UFO crowd.

01:44:24.000 The most interested people in archaeology are not archaeology students.

01:44:29.000 That's their 9 to 5. I'm the one that's reading the shit at 2 o'clock in the morning with the beer in my hand.

01:44:33.000 I love this shit.

01:44:35.000 But I don't want to...

01:44:36.000 You're going to bore me if you talk about stratigraphy.

01:44:38.000 We're going to want a story.

01:44:40.000 We're going to want...

01:44:40.000 You're going to want something that excites you to dig into it.

01:44:44.000 So when they literally, deliberately piss on the mystery, it's just like, oh, there's nothing to see here.

01:44:48.000 Nothing to see here.

01:44:49.000 Nothing to see here.

01:44:50.000 Let me tell you about stratigraphy.

01:44:52.000 Nothing to see here.

01:44:53.000 That's why I talk about Carl Sagan all the time.

01:44:54.000 He might have laughed in their face even with chocolate, but he'd never tell them nothing to see here.

01:44:59.000 Well, you know why?

01:45:00.000 Carl Sagan smoked a lot of weed.

01:45:01.000 He did.

01:45:02.000 You smoked a lot of weed.

01:45:03.000 That's very uncomfortable for a lot of people that don't like weed.

01:45:05.000 Oh, it makes you lazy.

01:45:07.000 Nope, you were already lazy.

01:45:08.000 Weed just got there while you were lazy.

01:45:11.000 It has nothing to do with weed.

01:45:12.000 Stop it.

01:45:14.000 It's true.

01:45:14.000 You know?

01:45:15.000 I get what you're saying.

01:45:16.000 A lot of people like to blame things for...

01:45:18.000 Blame...

01:45:19.000 Say that drugs are all just bad, but I forget the dude's name that was the guy that discerned the DNA, like the human DNA. Francis Crick.

01:45:27.000 Yeah.

01:45:27.000 And Kerry Mullis.

01:45:29.000 Did it well on LSD. Yeah.

01:45:30.000 Like, cracked the code on LSD or whatever.

01:45:33.000 I mean, that shit's, you know, it's part of our brains, man.

01:45:36.000 It's there.

01:45:37.000 And as a tribe...

01:45:38.000 I think there's some controversy about the Francis Crick thing, though, right?

01:45:41.000 Isn't there a controversy about whether Francis Crick was on...

01:45:44.000 I'm pretty sure Kerry Mullis was open when he was talking about the PCR method, that he devised that when he was on acid, which is also...

01:45:54.000 Also, he was a huge critic of using that stuff for detecting diseases.

01:46:00.000 He's like, this is so fucking stupid.

01:46:02.000 He was so angry.

01:46:04.000 Have you ever seen that video where he's angry about Anthony Fauci saying he does not know what he's doing?

01:46:08.000 He's not a scientist.

01:46:09.000 He's a bureaucrat.

01:46:10.000 See if you can find that video because it's fascinating because he's literally talking about...

01:46:13.000 This is pre-COVID, by the way.

01:46:14.000 Okay.

01:46:15.000 Because he died right or right before COVID happened.

01:46:18.000 But he was talking about how PCR should never be used to detect diseases because you could find these tiny...

01:46:24.000 They're fragments of a disease, but it doesn't even mean that someone's infected, especially when you're ramping it up to X amount of cycles.

01:46:30.000 Like, they had so many cycles.

01:46:31.000 You had so many false positives that maybe someone had encountered.

01:46:36.000 This thing at one point in time, but it was dormant in their body and dead.

01:46:40.000 But yet you're still, you're looking at such minute particles that you can't use it to detect whether or not someone's sick.

01:46:48.000 And that's what we're using during the pandemic to detect whether or not.

01:46:52.000 So you got so many false positives.

01:46:54.000 You know, some estimates were higher than 50% false positives.

01:46:58.000 That's insane.

01:46:59.000 See, you find Kerry Mullis on Anthony Fauci.

01:46:59.000 Insane.

01:47:02.000 He's like sitting at a desk at his kitchen table.

01:47:06.000 Or he's sitting at his kitchen table with a guy he's talking to, and he's just breaking down the difference between the actual science.

01:47:14.000 Have you found it?

01:47:15.000 It's only a preview of the video.

01:47:17.000 I know it's available.

01:47:19.000 I've seen it.

01:47:19.000 I'm just looking.

01:47:21.000 You're timing.

01:47:22.000 I'm stuck in the preview site, and I've got to find another one.

01:47:26.000 I'm finding it.

01:47:27.000 Okay, you'll find it, I'm sure.

01:47:29.000 I've got to double-check and make sure to see if this is not what you wanted.

01:47:33.000 That's it right there.

01:47:34.000 Second one down.

01:47:34.000 It's 10 seconds.

01:47:35.000 Oh, really?

01:47:36.000 It says Russia.

01:47:36.000 I'm not going there.

01:47:38.000 It says Russia?

01:47:39.000 Yandex.RU. You're going to get a fucking virus instantaneously.

01:47:43.000 There it is.

01:47:44.000 Change your computer to Russian script first.

01:47:47.000 Yeah, I think that's it.

01:47:50.000 So this is Kerry Millis.

01:47:52.000 Won a Nobel Prize for his PCR technique while employed by Emeryville Biotech Firm.

01:47:59.000 This is about humanity.

01:48:01.000 That wants to go to all the details and stuff and listen, you know, these guys like Fauci get up there and start talking, you know, he doesn't know anything really about anything, and I'd say that to his face.

01:48:11.000 Nothing.

01:48:12.000 The man thinks you can take a blood sample and stick it in an electron microscope, and if it's got a virus in there, you'll know it.

01:48:18.000 He doesn't understand electron microscopy, and he doesn't understand medicine, and he should not be in a position like he's in.

01:48:26.000 Most of those guys up there on the top are just total...

01:48:29.000 Administrative people, and they don't know anything about what's going on at the bottom.

01:48:32.000 You know, those guys have got an agenda, which is not what we would like them to have, being that we pay for them to take care of our health in some way.

01:48:42.000 They've got a personal kind of agenda.

01:48:45.000 They make up their own rules as they go.

01:48:47.000 They change them when they want to, and they smugly, like Tony Fauci, does not mind going on television in front of the people who pay his salary and lie directly into the camera.

01:48:55.000 You can't expect the sheep.

01:48:57.000 What is it?

01:48:58.000 Yeah.

01:48:59.000 So this was pre-pandemic.

01:49:00.000 Yeah.

01:49:01.000 96, it says.

01:49:02.000 Yeah.

01:49:02.000 It's brutal.

01:49:03.000 Yeah.

01:49:03.000 So what he's talking about, I think, back then was also the AIDS crisis, which that's a whole other ball of wax.

01:49:11.000 And if you want to get into that at another time, folks, just please go read Bobby Kennedy's book, The Real Anthony Fauci.

01:49:17.000 It's incredible.

01:49:19.000 This is another thing.

01:49:20.000 This is more gatekeeping.

01:49:21.000 It's the same kind of thing.

01:49:23.000 This may be in a different way, maybe not to protect the ego, but to protect money.

01:49:27.000 Yeah.

01:49:28.000 One of the things with COVID that always tickles me on that is the way that they threw the...

01:49:35.000 To me, I feel like they threw the red herring of a mask at us.

01:49:39.000 I feel like the...

01:49:41.000 I feel like the mask was a bullfighter's cape.

01:49:45.000 I feel like you've only got so many hours in a day, you've got to pick your battles, and you've got the mask as an easy symbol.

01:49:53.000 Everybody can complain about it because it affects everybody.

01:49:56.000 It's an easy touchstone.

01:49:57.000 You can see it.

01:49:59.000 But while everybody's fighting that, it really is effectively, you just have to fucking wear a hat for a few months or a few years.

01:50:06.000 They're closing down our stores and taking the kid that's, he's, I got two more years of wrestling.

01:50:10.000 Yeah, fuck you.

01:50:11.000 You're never going to make state fuck you.

01:50:13.000 You just lost.

01:50:14.000 That's the people, that's the stuff that was getting lost.

01:50:17.000 The masks, I'll wear fucking masks over my face today if it'll bring back white elephant shit.

01:50:22.000 There's also no logical explanation.

01:50:24.000 If the vaccine worked, give it to the people that are vulnerable.

01:50:27.000 Let everybody else live their life.

01:50:28.000 That makes the most sense.

01:50:30.000 But they couldn't do that.

01:50:31.000 They had to pretend that the other people were vulnerable.

01:50:34.000 They had to pretend that children were dying of it.

01:50:36.000 They talked about it all the time.

01:50:37.000 No healthy children died of it.

01:50:38.000 It's not true.

01:50:39.000 They tried to pretend that it was really dangerous for young people.

01:50:42.000 It wasn't.

01:50:43.000 Unless they were already really sick.

01:50:45.000 What it exposed in this country is that there are a lot of people that are completely full of shit that are in charge of telling us what the truth is.

01:50:52.000 And that also...

01:50:53.000 We're really vulnerable in terms of our health.

01:50:56.000 Our health is very vulnerable.

01:50:57.000 Our economy is very vulnerable.

01:50:58.000 We can't just shut the country down for a year and a half.

01:51:00.000 It doesn't work like that.

01:51:01.000 We're vulnerable.

01:51:02.000 It destroyed a lot of businesses.

01:51:03.000 It destroyed people's lives.

01:51:05.000 It caused so many people to become drug addicts, so many people to commit suicide.

01:51:08.000 There's a loss of life and a loss of hope, and who knows what it's going to do to these young children that have had to wear masks when they're in preschool.

01:51:15.000 Who knows what the fuck that does to you?

01:51:17.000 Learning how to talk with a mask on.

01:51:19.000 You're not reading mouths and lips, and you're not getting a full facial feature.

01:51:23.000 To read off like built children need for their development We found out that there's a lot of people that just aren't telling you the fucking truth And the crazy thing is they were doing it in the age of the internet because they had been used to doing it for so long They they didn't develop the thing that people have now like now like especially someone like you or I who does stuff on YouTube You know that if you say something and it's not true, you've got to go back and say, hey, this is what I thought.

01:51:49.000 This is why I thought it.

01:51:51.000 But now I know that this isn't true.

01:51:52.000 Because if you don't do that, no one's ever going to fucking trust you again.

01:51:56.000 Anthony Fauci, in the beginning of the pandemic, like, don't wear a mask.

01:51:59.000 It doesn't do anything.

01:52:01.000 If anything, you're going to smuts with it.

01:52:04.000 Then later he's saying, wear a mask.

01:52:06.000 I wear two.

01:52:06.000 I wear two masks.

01:52:08.000 Like, what the fuck?

01:52:09.000 We have video, man!

01:52:11.000 This is a different time.

01:52:12.000 This is in 1986. You can't just go and tell us some shit, and we don't know whether or not you said something completely contrary to that just a month ago.

01:52:20.000 Yeah, I think that might be part of why Kamala was so worried about the unedited thing.

01:52:25.000 You know, when Hillary fainted a few election cycles ago, that video would have never made the news in the 90s.

01:52:32.000 They would have just got bought, right?

01:52:33.000 Right, right.

01:52:34.000 But fucking before they, nobody knew it existed.

01:52:37.000 Before it was posted, it was just like the dude, and bam, and now the internet has it and it's too fucking late.

01:52:43.000 I think the real thing that did her in was Comey.

01:52:45.000 Oh, yeah.

01:52:46.000 I think the investigation into the emails, I think that, like, in the middle of the...

01:52:52.000 That was brutal.

01:52:53.000 That was crazy.

01:52:54.000 What I'm getting at is that I think that that's, especially for an older politician, somebody like Biden...

01:53:01.000 How many decades of his life was he able to buy any video footage that was going to cause him any problems?

01:53:07.000 He just fucking squashed that.

01:53:09.000 Two or three?

01:53:10.000 And now it's like nothing.

01:53:12.000 You slip and fall.

01:53:14.000 Going viral, buddy.

01:53:15.000 Any damn thing you could do about it.

01:53:17.000 Also, who's letting him walk up that fucking stair without having a catcher behind him?

01:53:20.000 Oh, come on.

01:53:21.000 I would have some giant dudes, some big ol' fuckin' linemen.

01:53:27.000 Because if he's going down the stairs and you got slippery shoes on, that's a fuckin' precarious catch.

01:53:31.000 Yeah.

01:53:32.000 You know, you got a 180-pound man who stumbles and he falls backwards like, yay!

01:53:36.000 Yo!

01:53:38.000 That's the fuckin' president.

01:53:39.000 Don't just let him walk up that thing on his own with slippery shoes on.

01:53:42.000 After he fell the third time, why did they let him keep doing that?

01:53:46.000 I think maybe some of Gerald Ford's family was hoping he'd break the record.

01:53:51.000 People don't know.

01:53:52.000 Give it away our age here.

01:53:53.000 The old Gerald Ford stuff.

01:53:55.000 Boy, that's old.

01:53:56.000 Next you're going to do a Nixon impression.

01:53:58.000 Oh, God damn.

01:53:59.000 Yeah.

01:53:59.000 I'm not a crook.

01:54:01.000 Yeah.

01:54:02.000 It's all...

01:54:04.000 The whole thing was...

01:54:05.000 Very eye-opening, I think.

01:54:07.000 And I think that also led to Trump, you know, destroying in the election.

01:54:11.000 That probably has a lot to do with it.

01:54:13.000 I mentioned before, like, they closed that white elephant store.

01:54:17.000 But, like, they closed so many bars in the town.

01:54:20.000 Like, I was thrilled that my favorite bar, Mootsie's, is still around.

01:54:25.000 But it had a closed sign on it when apparently the plumbing above it leaked.

01:54:30.000 And I thought they were gone too because it was closed down for them to fix that in the middle of COVID. And it was just like, God damn it.

01:54:36.000 We lost so many things in that town that were just little mom and pop outfits.

01:54:40.000 And just comes in and gets replaced with Target.

01:54:45.000 And you come to a city like this and you still got little shops that do well, little cafes and whatnot.

01:54:51.000 But I live out in...

01:54:53.000 I live in a city, but around it's a bunch of farm country.

01:54:57.000 And there's like the place in Davenport that had these great milkshakes.

01:55:00.000 You can't fucking go there no more.

01:55:01.000 They're closed.

01:55:02.000 They're gone.

01:55:03.000 And it's a bunch of places.

01:55:04.000 They've been around for generations.

01:55:06.000 And it didn't have to happen that way.

01:55:07.000 And if you want to be real cynical, the people that are the real progressive leftists, you should be cynical about that because it was the biggest transfer of wealth in the history of the United States.

01:55:19.000 The lower class, lower and middle class lost $3.9 billion or trillion.

01:55:25.000 Was it trillion?

01:55:26.000 What was the transfer?

01:55:27.000 It might have been trillion.

01:55:29.000 I think it was like $3.9 trillion over the course of the pandemic.

01:55:33.000 And then that money was transferred to the wealthiest people gained that money.

01:55:38.000 How?

01:55:40.000 What happened?

01:55:41.000 Mutual funds?

01:55:41.000 Stocks?

01:55:42.000 What magic are you doing?

01:55:45.000 You basically stole money.

01:55:47.000 Like, something happened, and through your policies, you enabled the wealthiest people to get way wealthier and the poorer people to get way poorer.

01:55:54.000 It's like $3.9 trillion.

01:55:56.000 Is that correct?

01:55:59.000 The transfer of wealth.

01:56:01.000 I know.

01:56:01.000 I'm looking at an article from 2022. I didn't see anything newer.

01:56:03.000 Yeah, it's a newer one.

01:56:04.000 They were talking about it really recently.

01:56:06.000 They were talking about...

01:56:07.000 It mirrors, exactly.

01:56:10.000 2 trillion, I see.

01:56:14.000 What year is that?

01:56:15.000 5.2 trillion.

01:56:18.000 So either way, let's be conservative and say it's 3 trillion.

01:56:23.000 That's a crazy amount of money that gets transferred and no one is like freaked out that this was by policies and this is by keeping everybody's business shut down.

01:56:31.000 You could basically just take over because people still need to buy stuff.

01:56:34.000 And then these big companies that people have stock in, the stock goes way up and then everybody gets wealthier.

01:56:40.000 This is kind of nuts.

01:56:41.000 The progressives are outraged in this idea that it was protecting your health.

01:56:46.000 But are you sure?

01:56:48.000 Did you look at the data?

01:56:49.000 Because it doesn't seem like it was.

01:56:50.000 Over several decades, this says it was $50 trillion.

01:56:53.000 This was from during the pandemic, though.

01:56:56.000 Jesus.

01:56:57.000 That's insane.

01:56:58.000 $50 trillion from the bottom 90%.

01:56:59.000 And that's made the U.S. less secure.

01:57:01.000 Yeah, for fucking for sure it does.

01:57:03.000 But the problem is, yachts aren't cheap, bro.

01:57:06.000 No, no, they're not.

01:57:08.000 I'm not looking at them yet, but maybe next week.

01:57:10.000 You want to put in an order for one of them supersonic jets?

01:57:12.000 You've got to have some chatter.

01:57:13.000 It might be time to take over a small country.

01:57:15.000 Or two, yeah.

01:57:16.000 Or two, yeah.

01:57:18.000 It's pretty wild.

01:57:19.000 The things that were lost during COVID were...

01:57:23.000 In my mind, one of the biggest things was the trust in the scientific community that they're being honest.

01:57:32.000 And again, I like science.

01:57:34.000 I like science a lot.

01:57:35.000 And I don't...

01:57:36.000 I think that just like most activists and most anything, like when you look online and you see a transgender person that's making a complete ass of themselves, that's, generally speaking, not indicative of the way transgender people are, even on the fucking internet, Matt.

01:57:49.000 Otherwise, you wouldn't be seeing that person, right?

01:57:51.000 With everything.

01:57:53.000 With everything.

01:57:54.000 With cops, with teachers.

01:57:55.000 You see some crazy teachers saying nutty things in front of the class.

01:57:58.000 That's a small percentage, a tiny...

01:58:00.000 Yeah, it's a problem.

01:58:01.000 It's a problem, but it's not all teachers.

01:58:03.000 No, but when it's science, the deal is that science fact-checks itself.

01:58:09.000 Like, these guys all throw rocks at each other.

01:58:12.000 They write a paper and other guys are trying to rip it apart and prove them wrong.

01:58:16.000 So in that environment, it requires an acceptance for this kind of shit to fly.

01:58:23.000 For them to be able to repeatedly lie in peer-reviewed journals requires their peers to not review the fucking papers.

01:58:31.000 That's really the only way that can happen.

01:58:33.000 And that happens so much.

01:58:36.000 The Clovis first thing, which was another thing that Flint pushed back against.

01:58:44.000 But obviously there's a lot of receipts.

01:58:46.000 Like that guy almost lost his career, was shunned by science, and he was right.

01:58:51.000 And mainstream archaeologists tore that guy apart with personal attacks.

01:58:56.000 They tried to destroy his reputation, destroy his career, because they didn't want to be proven wrong.

01:59:02.000 Tom Dillahay was the guy who...

01:59:04.000 Explain the whole thing to people so that they don't know it.

01:59:06.000 Absolutely.

01:59:07.000 Clovis First is the theory that the first people in the Americas came over the Bering Land Bridge like 14,000-15,000 years ago, and they used the Clovis points, and this was the first American humans.

01:59:19.000 Before that, there was no people here.

01:59:21.000 Now, they started finding sites at 30,000 years old, 25,000 years old, and they started fucking with that narrative, and archaeologists were...

01:59:28.000 For the most part, pushing heavily against it.

01:59:31.000 There were a few scientists that would make the fines and that they would fight for them.

01:59:36.000 Now, one, eventually it's been overturned.

01:59:38.000 Now that Clovis First is not the narrative anymore.

01:59:40.000 They're not really sure exactly who got here first.

01:59:42.000 They know the Burying Land Bridge was part of it, but they also think there was some people probably from the ocean in South America.

01:59:48.000 Who knows for sure?

01:59:50.000 It's up in the air.

01:59:51.000 They're not so certain anymore.

01:59:52.000 But the Clovis First debate...

01:59:56.000 It was so bad that the guy that won it, basically, a site in Chile called Monte Verde was the site that eventually he had a bunch of people there.

02:00:06.000 They looked at the site and when they left, they were convinced that that was the end of the debate for all intents and purposes.

02:00:12.000 There's still a few holdouts.

02:00:14.000 How old was Monte Verde estimated to be?

02:00:16.000 30,000 years, I think.

02:00:17.000 27,000.

02:00:18.000 Right in there.

02:00:21.000 The guy that discovered that site and was excavating it, Tom Dillehay, was living in Chile.

02:00:26.000 Under the time that Pinochet was in charge of Chile.

02:00:30.000 One of his colleagues, and there's video of this, I use this clip frequently, one of his colleagues called the state newspaper and said Monteverde is a CIA-planted site in order to get him down into Chile.

02:00:44.000 His wife and kids are there.

02:00:46.000 They fucking threatened his life.

02:00:48.000 This is the archaeologist's version of swatting.

02:00:51.000 Whoa.

02:00:52.000 Yeah, the video's all over the place.

02:00:53.000 I use this clip frequently.

02:00:57.000 They basically threatened his life straight up.

02:01:00.000 He got letters to people saying that he wasn't a real scientist, that he didn't have a degree.

02:01:04.000 Is this Dillehay explaining this in the video?

02:01:05.000 Yeah, Tom Dillehay explaining this.

02:01:07.000 If Jamie could find it, what would the video be talking about?

02:01:10.000 If you have to go on Google, Tom Dillehay interview will probably do it.

02:01:15.000 D-I-L-L-E-H-A-Y. Sorry, I should have had that one pegged.

02:01:21.000 No worries.

02:01:22.000 I'd use this clip.

02:01:23.000 I'd probably use it ten times.

02:01:25.000 It's not one of those.

02:01:29.000 Maybe put archaeology with it.

02:01:33.000 Because he's talking to another archaeologist.

02:01:38.000 Dang it.

02:01:43.000 Challenging clothes first.

02:01:45.000 Here, I will.

02:01:47.000 Archaeologists threaten one of their own over Clovis first, is that it?

02:01:51.000 No, it's only...

02:01:54.000 There's me.

02:01:55.000 Yeah, that one actually has a clip.

02:01:57.000 Okay, play that then.

02:01:58.000 Archaeologist Tom Dillehay was instrumental in overturning Clovis First with his excavations at Monte Verde, but this caused him to have his life threatened by his own colleagues.

02:02:07.000 His excavations were done in Chile during the reign of the ruthless dictator Pinochet.

02:02:11.000 Clovis First was hotly debated amongst archaeologists at the time, and one of them decided to use Pinochet as a means to silence Tom.

02:02:18.000 Moved down to Chile during the dictatorship years of Pinochet, so I was opening up anthropology departments, so politically it was difficult at that time.

02:02:28.000 And another colleague who sent a letter to the newspaper in Chile, one of the major newspapers, saying that Monteverdi was the creation of the CIA to plant me down there.

02:02:40.000 And, you know, that...

02:02:41.000 It puts you and your family in a dangerous situation in a country like that at that time.

02:02:46.000 Seems to me like the archaeologist's version of swatting someone.

02:02:49.000 There's a small minority of people who will do anything in their power to defend their paradigm.

02:02:58.000 Yeah.

02:02:58.000 That's it.

02:02:59.000 That's fucking wild.

02:03:00.000 That's crazy.

02:03:01.000 What if that guy got murdered?

02:03:03.000 Would they be happy?

02:03:04.000 If they took him and publicly executed him because they said he was a CIA spy?

02:03:09.000 I'd like to say no, but I mean...

02:03:11.000 Would they be happy?

02:03:12.000 That's such a psychotic thing to do to someone just because...

02:03:15.000 But, you know, these people, like, everything that they identify as is the expert in this particular field.

02:03:24.000 And they'll try to pretend, Flint tried to pretend that that was no big deal.

02:03:27.000 That was a one-off.

02:03:28.000 You know, scientific debates happen, and a lot of guys will say, oh, yeah, that Clovis First, it was bad, but we don't usually do that, dude.

02:03:35.000 Before Clovis First, there was...

02:03:37.000 The Folsom first debate.

02:03:38.000 The idea that the Folsom people were the first ones here.

02:03:41.000 And if you found anything older than, I think, 7,000 years or 3,000 years, whatever it was, anything older than a Folsom culture thing.

02:03:48.000 It was bullshit and you couldn't have a feel.

02:03:51.000 It's on Wikipedia still.

02:03:52.000 You could read about there's a couple of guys that basically formed a guard and didn't let anything get past that point until eventually the Clovis first thing.

02:04:00.000 It's not the first time.

02:04:01.000 This is standard operating procedure.

02:04:05.000 Create a paradigm.

02:04:06.000 Defend it with life and death.

02:04:07.000 There's a guy named...

02:04:10.000 Max Planck, he was a Nobel Prize winning physicist, and he has Planck's principle, it's known as, and it is science does not progress one discovery at a time, it progresses one funeral at a time.

02:04:23.000 Ooh.

02:04:24.000 And this is a Nobel Prize winning physicist that said that, not Graham Hancock.

02:04:29.000 So it's fucking pretty hefty to think about that.

02:04:33.000 People are people, man.

02:04:34.000 Put us on the moon, you're going to have people on the moon.

02:04:37.000 Same fucking problems.

02:04:38.000 Same fucking problems.

02:04:39.000 People on Mars.

02:04:40.000 Someone's going to make a sex cult on Mars.

02:04:42.000 It'll be a great one.

02:04:44.000 First people will be like, look, I'm the fucking king of Mars, bitch.

02:04:46.000 I'm running it now.

02:04:48.000 It's just humans.

02:04:50.000 And unfortunately, even humans that are attached to what we think of as these ego-less pursuits like science.

02:04:59.000 The ego fucks up even science.

02:04:59.000 Yeah.

02:05:01.000 But that's where it does frustrate me because if you take that job...

02:05:07.000 It's like, okay, if me and you get in a fight, it's aggressive and you get worked up and you get emotional, but if you become a cop, I expect you to fucking know that and roll that shit back.

02:05:20.000 And it's the same thing with the scientists.

02:05:22.000 I expect you to recognize that and roll that shit back.

02:05:25.000 Yeah, roll that shit back.

02:05:26.000 That's your job.

02:05:27.000 That's your job.

02:05:28.000 Your job is to tell us what the truth is.

02:05:29.000 And if you lie...

02:05:32.000 It doesn't mean that all that truth that you told in the past is now accurate.

02:05:36.000 It just means you suck.

02:05:37.000 That's all it means.

02:05:38.000 So if you're a really good scientist, you say, this is what we thought.

02:05:42.000 This is what we know now.

02:05:43.000 And this is really amazing.

02:05:45.000 And so I was wrong.

02:05:46.000 All these books that I wrote, stop buying them, folks.

02:05:49.000 I'm going to have to write a new book.

02:05:50.000 They don't ever want to say that.

02:05:51.000 They never want to think that those lectures that they taught, that those were inaccurate and that their whole life, they would be a mockery.

02:05:59.000 They really would because those scientists are fucking vicious.

02:06:02.000 They're so vicious after each other.

02:06:04.000 They attack each other because they all want to be the fucking smartest guy in the room.

02:06:08.000 And when anybody...

02:06:09.000 Mike?

02:06:10.000 Mike's a fucking moron.

02:06:12.000 You heard him talk about Fauci the way Carey Mullis talked about it.

02:06:12.000 Mike thinks it.

02:06:15.000 That's how they talk about each other.

02:06:16.000 He doesn't know anything.

02:06:17.000 I'd say it right to his face.

02:06:20.000 It's just natural human aggression that's transferred into this field that we think of as purely academic.

02:06:27.000 And quite frequently these people are, like I said earlier, a little emotionally off, a little socially weird.

02:06:32.000 Bullied their whole life.

02:06:33.000 Now all of a sudden they get to be the bully, which is one of the things that does happen.

02:06:37.000 It's the revenge of the nerds.

02:06:38.000 It really is.

02:06:39.000 You're right.

02:06:40.000 That's what Revenge of the Nerds is.

02:06:41.000 It is.

02:06:42.000 It's like, finally, we get our turn to be mean.

02:06:45.000 Didn't we not learn anything?

02:06:47.000 This is how wars get started, people.

02:06:49.000 This is how people wind up killing people, because you other the other.

02:06:52.000 By the way, when I drew the parallel about us fighting, I don't want a picture of me next to Shane Gillis.

02:06:56.000 Thank you very much.

02:06:57.000 I'm good.

02:06:59.000 Don't need that.

02:07:01.000 The whole idea of the truth is what we all should be pursuing.

02:07:06.000 And it's just really unfortunate that people are attached to these things that they've said for so long, so much that they're willing to go out of their way to prove someone inaccurate when they are accurate.

02:07:18.000 And the Clovis first thing is one of the better examples of that.

02:07:22.000 And now that there's irrefutable evidence like the footprints that they found in New Mexico that have seeds in them that are 22 plus thousand years old.

02:07:31.000 Waystands, yes.

02:07:32.000 Okay, it's out the window now.

02:07:34.000 You don't know.

02:07:34.000 How about now?

02:07:35.000 We don't know.

02:07:36.000 We don't know how people got here.

02:07:37.000 We don't know how long they've been here.

02:07:39.000 Quit trying to find a clear answer and keep investigating.

02:07:43.000 Right, especially when we know South America had life, had all these humans living in South America.

02:07:50.000 Why wouldn't they move up to North America?

02:07:52.000 Why would that be weird?

02:07:54.000 What's the oldest known people in South America?

02:07:58.000 To be honest with you, I'm not sure.

02:08:00.000 The whole Amazon thing's got to throw a big old monkey wrench into that.

02:08:03.000 Well, they recently...

02:08:04.000 You know who Thor Herod was?

02:08:06.000 The guy that did the Contiki voyage to prove that you could cross the ocean in a raft and all that shit?

02:08:11.000 Okay.

02:08:11.000 He's an archaeologist.

02:08:12.000 And now he pointed out that on Easter Island that the platform that the biggest, oldest, whatever, Moai or whatever they're called...

02:08:23.000 That platform, the polygonal masonry strongly resembled what he saw in Peru, to the point where he hypothesized that these were connected.

02:08:31.000 And this was just mocked by archaeologists for the longest time.

02:08:34.000 Now, not only do they have genetic evidence in the form of human DNA, with a solid genetic drift from South America heading out into Polynesia as well, but Easter Island has breadfruit, has ginger, and...

02:08:50.000 A couple of sweet potato.

02:08:52.000 It's got food from both Asia and South America and the oldest habited layers that they've found.

02:08:58.000 Really?

02:08:59.000 And that's scientifically...

02:09:00.000 And what is the oldest habited layers?

02:09:02.000 It's like, I want to say like 1,200 or 1,800 years ago.

02:09:07.000 It's not real, real old, but it's old enough that like the oldest place that they've excavated and found that the first people, it looks like the first people that showed up there came there.

02:09:16.000 From Asia and South America already, they've been connected to both.

02:09:19.000 What was the evidence of cocaine and mummies?

02:09:21.000 Was that bullshit?

02:09:22.000 I'm not sure about that.

02:09:24.000 It's one of the things that every time I look into it, the data is kind of threadbare.

02:09:30.000 And as a skeptical guy and a guy who's had his share of time in bars and bathrooms...

02:09:37.000 I have a much stronger feeling that there was some anthropologist in the 70s who was just doing a fucking bump.

02:09:43.000 I'm sorry.

02:09:45.000 Smoking a cigarette and doing a bump on the sarcophagus is way more likely than...

02:09:50.000 That's just to me, but I could be wrong.

02:09:52.000 Yeah, and if you're doing coke, you might want to put a little coke on the mummy.

02:09:55.000 I'm going to do a coke off this fucking mummy's nose.

02:09:57.000 Oh, fuck yeah!

02:09:58.000 And you're doing archaeology, and it's the 70s.

02:10:03.000 And no one is looking over your shoulder.

02:10:06.000 You're a wild...

02:10:07.000 Fucking Indiana Jones type coke head.

02:10:10.000 Fuck, there's already people with their AI fucking artwork out trying to make this.

02:10:16.000 Oh, for sure.

02:10:17.000 What was the evidence?

02:10:18.000 See if you can find what the evidence for cocaine in Egyptian mummies was.

02:10:24.000 There's a guy, a Russian scientist that said he found some in 1992, 90s.

02:10:29.000 Look, I found coke!

02:10:32.000 He's doing blow.

02:10:34.000 He's doing blow.

02:10:35.000 They bust him.

02:10:36.000 I found cocaine!

02:10:37.000 It was in the mummy.

02:10:39.000 I don't know.

02:10:41.000 Definitely not my cocaine.

02:10:43.000 Cocaine, hashish, and nicotine in the hair of Henut Taui.

02:10:49.000 Well, um...

02:10:51.000 Cocaine, hashish, and nicotine.

02:10:53.000 Okay.

02:10:55.000 German toxicologist Svetlana Balabanova discovered traces of cocaine, hashish, and nicotine on Hanout Toi...

02:11:03.000 How do you say that?

02:11:03.000 Hanout Toi's?

02:11:05.000 How do you say his name?

02:11:06.000 Hanout Toi?

02:11:07.000 Toi's hair?

02:11:08.000 I don't know.

02:11:08.000 As well as on the hair of several other mummies of the museum, which is significant in that the only source for cocaine and nicotine had at that time been considered to be the cocoa and tobacco plants native to the Americas, and were not thought to have been present in Africa until after Columbus' voyage to the Americas.

02:11:25.000 The result was interpreted by theorists and supporters of contacts between pre-Columbian people and ancient Egyptians.

02:11:32.000 a proof for their claims the findings are controversial because while other researchers have also detected the presence of cocaine and nicotine in Egyptian mummies to successive analysis of the other groups of Egyptian mummies and human remains failed to fully reproduce Bala Banova's results and some showing positive results only for nicotine but even that is interesting Well, yeah.

02:11:55.000 And then the next line actually basically says what I just did.

02:11:58.000 After these experiments, even assuming that cocaine was actually found on the mummies, it is possible that this could be contamination.

02:12:03.000 Yeah, it says that.

02:12:04.000 It says even assuming that cocaine which actually found the mummies could be Contamination which occurred after discovery of the mummies The same argument could be applied to nicotine But in addition various plants other than tobacco are a source of nicotine and two of these with any Somnifer and Appium Gravill lens Sorry We're known to be used by the ancient Egyptians.

02:12:34.000 Okay, so they did have some sort of nicotine plant.

02:12:38.000 That was in 92. 2007, researchers in Peru may have also found some.

02:12:43.000 Oh, and Incan mummies.

02:12:44.000 But Incan mummies, that's...

02:12:47.000 That's there.

02:12:48.000 That's where cocaine is.

02:12:49.000 If it was actual cocaine, that would be crazy.

02:12:51.000 If it was not just coca plant, but actual process.

02:12:55.000 A little baggie for the future?

02:12:57.000 For your travels?

02:12:59.000 Chameleons, please come back!

02:13:01.000 He's got a little vial.

02:13:02.000 A little vial they tucked away with him in his grave.

02:13:05.000 We've done everything we could to get them aliens back.

02:13:07.000 We're going to process some of that shit.

02:13:09.000 Come on, boys.

02:13:09.000 It would be fascinating if we actually could prove that somehow or another people from South America had made their way to Egypt and back and forth.

02:13:17.000 And another interesting argument for that was always the Olmecs.

02:13:20.000 Like they look Polynesian or African.

02:13:24.000 They don't necessarily look like they're from South America.

02:13:28.000 Yeah.

02:13:28.000 And there's a lot of the arguments that were made by those guys I brought up earlier that were back in the 1860s.

02:13:36.000 They were – one of them was big into linguists and linguistics, and he made all these language – Models and stuff as to why Maya was the first or proto-language that all these other ones were built on.

02:13:49.000 The other dude was really into iconography.

02:13:51.000 I'm sure you've seen some of the symbols that you see around the world, like that girl that's sitting on the lions, the Master of Beasts symbols.

02:14:00.000 Things like that, you know, it's not...

02:14:04.000 You did tell me to pull that up.

02:14:05.000 Oh, sorry.

02:14:06.000 Look up Master of Beasts, like, I guess, sorry.

02:14:11.000 Are you going to find some cartoon?

02:14:13.000 I stumbled across something that says that I did more testing that says that there might have been cocaine in up to eight bodies.

02:14:20.000 They did multiple testing.

02:14:22.000 Yeah, if you're living in Egypt, you're going to get some coke if you've got that kind of cheddar.

02:14:26.000 You know what I mean?

02:14:27.000 If you've got, like, gold headdresses.

02:14:29.000 And what's the ultimate thing to have?

02:14:30.000 Coke.

02:14:30.000 You know?

02:14:31.000 Clearly.

02:14:31.000 You're trying to get more women, right?

02:14:33.000 If you've got some guy who's coming over from South America, he's bringing coke with them.

02:14:37.000 In the wake of controversy, they used radio, immunosity, gas, chromatography, and mass spectrometry.

02:14:44.000 And all of those got the same results.

02:14:48.000 All bones, soft tissue, and hair contain traces of the drug ruling out possibility of external contamination.

02:14:52.000 Oh, okay.

02:14:53.000 So they did have cocaine.

02:14:54.000 Okay.

02:14:55.000 Well, there you go.

02:14:56.000 Now you got some weird shit.

02:14:57.000 I still don't know if it's accurate, though.

02:14:58.000 Why not look into this?

02:14:59.000 Let's just slam the book and say it's accurate, Jamie.

02:15:02.000 For the sake of arguing.

02:15:03.000 Master of beasts.

02:15:04.000 Yeah, master of beasts.

02:15:06.000 If you look up, like, ancient...

02:15:10.000 Symbol, or hopefully that'll bring it up.

02:15:13.000 I forget.

02:15:14.000 Is that He-Man?

02:15:16.000 Master of Universe.

02:15:17.000 I have the power!

02:15:19.000 Goddamn, we're getting old today with the references.

02:15:21.000 Yeah, we are.

02:15:21.000 Sorry, young guys.

02:15:22.000 Gerald Ford and He-Man.

02:15:25.000 Yeah, that's it.

02:15:25.000 That's it.

02:15:26.000 So that exists all over the world.

02:15:28.000 Yeah, that type of iconography of usually a woman, but sometimes a man, all the way back into like Kara Hayek, Turkey, like one of those Gopekli Tepe type of sites, has this symbol.

02:15:42.000 And that type of symbol.

02:15:46.000 Look at that Master of Animals one, the Wikipedia one in the middle.

02:15:51.000 The gray one?

02:15:52.000 Yeah, right there where your cursor just was, Jamie.

02:15:54.000 No, the one with your cursor, sorry, above that.

02:15:57.000 That's cool, too.

02:15:58.000 But above that, that one.

02:16:00.000 What's that one from?

02:16:01.000 I don't know.

02:16:03.000 I know.

02:16:03.000 Wild.

02:16:04.000 That is crazy.

02:16:05.000 Because it looks like it's got two monsters next to her.

02:16:09.000 That image that we were just looking on.

02:16:13.000 There it is.

02:16:13.000 There we go.

02:16:14.000 There it is, right there.

02:16:15.000 Like, what the fuck is that?

02:16:17.000 What are those things next to her?

02:16:20.000 They look like some kind of lion, lizard, hybrid.

02:16:23.000 But look, they have like lizard tongues.

02:16:25.000 Snake?

02:16:26.000 Yeah, it's tough to say.

02:16:27.000 I mean, obviously not a snake.

02:16:28.000 A tail and wings?

02:16:29.000 They have wings?

02:16:29.000 Yeah.

02:16:30.000 Like, what the fuck is that?

02:16:32.000 And why does that exist all over the world?

02:16:34.000 That's really where, like, it's an interesting thing that when you see that kind of iconography, it's not...

02:16:41.000 The argument of, well, a nail looks like a nail anywhere because you invented a nail, that falls apart because this is just symbols, right?

02:16:49.000 This is just symbolism.

02:16:52.000 So that would imply some contact, right?

02:16:54.000 And it shows up way long ago.

02:16:57.000 Yeah.

02:16:58.000 And why?

02:16:59.000 How is that getting all around the world?

02:17:01.000 Clearly people are bringing it.

02:17:03.000 Now, see, there's one place, just because I don't necessarily ascribe to lost technology or ancient high technology.

02:17:10.000 Don't get me wrong, when it comes to lost civilization, I'm very much of the opinion that there was a civilization from...

02:17:19.000 Before 12,000 years ago, they got wiped out by some sort of cataclysm.

02:17:23.000 I don't think that it was...

02:17:24.000 I don't think that they had, like, real high technology, but it wouldn't have taken much technology for them to appear better than their contemporaries.

02:17:33.000 And we see evidence for that today, too, which is a really good point.

02:17:36.000 People say, how is it possible that the rest of the world could have been so far behind?

02:17:40.000 Well, they were.

02:17:41.000 Okay?

02:17:41.000 First of all, with the Egyptians, they definitely were.

02:17:44.000 Exactly.

02:17:44.000 Definitely.

02:17:45.000 Proven everybody else is way far behind them.

02:17:48.000 But even today, my friend Paul Rosalie, he lives in the Amazon.

02:17:52.000 He protects rainforests and hires these people that used to be loggers to now protect the rainforest.

02:17:57.000 Amazing guy.

02:17:59.000 He just filmed the other day an uncontacted tribe.

02:18:02.000 Just the other day.

02:18:03.000 There's uncontacted tribes all throughout there.

02:18:06.000 They're completely naked and they're living a subsistence lifestyle in the Amazon forest.

02:18:11.000 Who knows what their fucking language is?

02:18:13.000 Who knows what their culture is about?

02:18:15.000 But this is a completely uncontacted tribe that exists today along with us with AI on our smartphones.

02:18:22.000 Same time period, right?

02:18:25.000 So the idea that this couldn't exist at other parts of the world in the past No, it fucking for sure could.

02:18:31.000 By the way, it fucking did in the 1800s when settlers were making their way across the United States.

02:18:37.000 The sun never sets on the British Empire was because Europe was hop, skip and a jump ahead of the rest of the world when it came to sailing and conquering people.

02:18:48.000 And that's, I mean, you can argue about whether that's good or bad or whatever.

02:18:52.000 But it just existed.

02:18:53.000 It existed.

02:18:54.000 We're talking about the abilities.

02:18:56.000 They were better at it.

02:18:58.000 And in the United States, it's the best example.

02:19:00.000 And what was going on when settlers came from Europe and making their way across the country, they were encountering Stone Age tribes.

02:19:07.000 Yeah.

02:19:07.000 Effectively, yes.

02:19:08.000 100% Stone Age.

02:19:10.000 They were using stone tools.

02:19:11.000 They were using flint arrowheads.

02:19:13.000 There was a couple of people that had copper, but they weren't making weapons.

02:19:17.000 Right, they were making jewelry and stuff.

02:19:20.000 It's pretty crazy.

02:19:22.000 It's pretty crazy, but it's just...

02:19:24.000 A natural function of how human beings adapt to their environment.

02:19:27.000 And it seems that the Nile Valley in Egypt was an abundant, rich environment that had so much resources that allowed those people to stay there and thrive for thousands of years.

02:19:38.000 And if you think of the area being a green Sahara, and then it slowly gets smaller, that Nile Delta would explain that concentration of people and ideas and stuff, because you've got what was once spread out across a large area being all shoved together.

02:19:53.000 I'm making almost a proto-city type of thing or whatever.

02:19:57.000 Yeah, I'm of the opinion that whatever the lost civilization was, I'm of the opinion that they were really good at seafaring, which made that they were really good at astronomy.

02:20:06.000 And I put to myself, I think that like the handbag symbol, I think that that's a symbol of their ability to, I think like...

02:20:15.000 That it is a symbol for a day, like we were talking about before on that pillar, Gobekli Tepe, that there's three of those handbags, and he says each one is actually a sunrise.

02:20:24.000 Why?

02:20:25.000 Why is the handbag a sunrise?

02:20:26.000 It's the ground, and it's a sun.

02:20:30.000 It's not an actual handbag.

02:20:31.000 It's a ground.

02:20:34.000 Could you look up Gobekli Tepe pillar 43?

02:20:36.000 Sorry, Jamie.

02:20:37.000 Thank you.

02:20:41.000 In that case, it looks less like a handbag because there's nobody holding it.

02:20:46.000 But in this case, Dr. Martin Swetman's done the work and looks like it's three different days he has it symbolized as.

02:20:54.000 So going with that.

02:20:56.000 You see, that's three handbags there.

02:20:58.000 Each one with an animal next to it, he believes that that's denoting the...

02:21:02.000 So not a handbag, but the arc of the sun over the earth.

02:21:05.000 So when somebody's holding one of those, I think that it's a symbol for a knowledge of astronomy that most people don't have.

02:21:05.000 Yes.

02:21:12.000 Oh.

02:21:13.000 The kind of knowledge that...

02:21:14.000 So the astronomers are the people holding the handbags.

02:21:17.000 They're the ones who explain to you the cycles of time.

02:21:17.000 That's what I think.

02:21:20.000 Yeah, and they're the ones that were...

02:21:22.000 They're capable of seafarers.

02:21:23.000 They were the ones that when they would show up, they would have the same teamwork, the same ability to work with ropes and all that shit they could use to move megaliths.

02:21:33.000 The same mathematics or an extension of it.

02:21:37.000 It's the kind of thing that would be easier for them to move a big rock with a team of guys that have worked together working on boats than it would be for them to move a big rock with a team of people who have never done anything like that before.

02:21:48.000 And that would also explain why a lot of times these are lined up with stars and shit like that because astronomy would be very important to them.

02:21:54.000 So that's – I do think that there was a lost civilization.

02:21:57.000 I mean even simple shit like the bow and arrow in all honesty.

02:22:00.000 If you think about how complicated that would be to effectively create all the way.

02:22:04.000 It's easy for a dude to figure out the tension, but building a flight and an arrow that's weighted, it's way different than a spear, it's being launched from the back, not the center, so you can't just transfer it over.

02:22:15.000 This is requiring multiple people over multiple generations, in my opinion.

02:22:20.000 The fact that we see it all over the fucking planet, it says something.

02:22:24.000 That probably people were traveling.

02:22:25.000 Yeah.

02:22:26.000 It's not something that people would figure out on their own everywhere.

02:22:29.000 Now, we have adlatles too, right?

02:22:31.000 And people figured those ones out, but that seems like a more simple device.

02:22:31.000 Yeah.

02:22:35.000 Yeah, it's a lot simpler.

02:22:36.000 So why isn't that everywhere instead of the bow and arrow?

02:22:38.000 Probably was, but the bow and arrow supplanted it, and it was only kept where you really needed the penetrating power of the adlatle.

02:22:44.000 Right.

02:22:45.000 So that's, again, this is all just spitballing, but...

02:22:47.000 We don't know for sure.

02:22:49.000 I could say that I do, but I don't.

02:22:51.000 It's just so interesting.

02:22:53.000 Really so interesting.

02:22:54.000 Because the concept of if these mummies that show cocaine really are proof that somehow or another someone came from the Americas with cocaine and made their way to Egypt, boy, that throws the whole thing.

02:23:06.000 It throws a monkey wrench into the whole gears of our timeline of civilization.

02:23:10.000 Oh, man.

02:23:11.000 How were they doing that?

02:23:12.000 How'd they get over there?

02:23:13.000 That's so fucking far.

02:23:15.000 Anunnaki taxi cab service.

02:23:17.000 What's your...

02:23:18.000 Sorry.

02:23:20.000 Based off of what you're saying with, like, it's a time-measuring tool, I'm looking for more examples of it.

02:23:26.000 This is a very interesting explanation.

02:23:28.000 I don't know if it's accurate.

02:23:30.000 Hopefully, you can shed some light on it.

02:23:32.000 Does this make any sense, what it's saying?

02:23:35.000 Water clock?

02:23:35.000 About...

02:23:36.000 Yeah, so a baboon, because there's a, um, damn it, I can pull it up in a second.

02:23:42.000 No, it's okay, let's just read this.

02:23:42.000 Baboon's sitting on something that looks like a basket.

02:23:44.000 What is this from?

02:23:45.000 Reddit.

02:23:46.000 Reddit, yeah, there's a post about Reddit, so I'm explaining what this is.

02:23:49.000 The hieroglyph depicts one form of something called a water clock, or, say that word.

02:23:55.000 Klepsidra.

02:23:56.000 Klepsidra hydrologia, which was used to tell the time by the drainage of water through a small hole.

02:24:04.000 The item associated with Thoth due to its use as a measuring tool and thus miniature versions or models made of...

02:24:13.000 What's that word?

02:24:14.000 Fiance?

02:24:14.000 What's that word?

02:24:15.000 I don't know.

02:24:16.000 Fiance?

02:24:17.000 Sorry.

02:24:17.000 Often had baboons incorporated into their structure.

02:24:20.000 It's said that...

02:24:23.000 Horopolo in hieroglyphica that it was traditional to allow water to drain out of a hole in the baboon's genitalia because the baboon apparently cries and urinates 12 times a day on the equinoxes.

02:24:37.000 So you just force-feed water into a baboon to figure out what time it is?

02:24:41.000 Synchronized clocks.

02:24:44.000 He's just howling.

02:24:45.000 Oh, it's time to go to eat.

02:24:47.000 The monkey's howling.

02:24:48.000 Regardless of the exact reason, the hole was indeed sometimes placed at the end of the baboon's penis.

02:24:55.000 Model non-functional versions of the water clock often mimic the shape of the hieroglyph itself, similar to the ma'at figurine and may have been used in offering rituals.

02:25:05.000 See if you can find one of those figurines.

02:25:08.000 So that's a water clock built on the idea and the water clock, the water comes out of the baboon's penis.

02:25:15.000 And I know that the ancient Egyptians like...

02:25:19.000 Would measure time during the evening hours with water clocks like that.

02:25:24.000 They would have people tasked with keeping time for the area.

02:25:28.000 Oh, look at that.

02:25:29.000 It's a baboon water clock.

02:25:31.000 The water drips out of his dick.

02:25:33.000 So it's sort of like an hourglass.

02:25:35.000 Yeah, but it's the baboon's dick.

02:25:37.000 That's crazy!

02:25:40.000 That's impressive.

02:25:41.000 I found out something new today.

02:25:43.000 That makes it worth it.

02:25:43.000 Yeah, me too.

02:25:44.000 Right below that pillar they're showing, I think someone else has explained to us that those are like, they think that's the time, like calendar, those are days or months or something like that.

02:25:52.000 Yes.

02:25:52.000 If all this is time.

02:25:54.000 Yes, that's...

02:25:55.000 Wow.

02:25:55.000 So what Dr. Martin Swetman thinks is those three handbags there are three of the cardinal points, like two equinoxes and one solstice, I think, and then the condor down there holding the...

02:26:08.000 The Sun is what he believes.

02:26:10.000 He believes that's Sagittarius and that it's basically denoting...

02:26:18.000 That the fourth cardinal point of the year and that all those other marks add up to the squares are a month, the V's are days, and at the end of it, according to his interpretation, it's what he thinks of.

02:26:30.000 It's a recording of the time that the asteroid hit, the Younger Dryas impact.

02:26:35.000 Whoa.

02:26:36.000 And he's wrote two scientific papers on it.

02:26:39.000 He's come under a lot of fire for it, but the majority of the fire is really funny.

02:26:44.000 It's like, okay, he's...

02:26:46.000 He's a chemical engineer.

02:26:48.000 So he's a mathematician by trade.

02:26:50.000 He's a number cruncher.

02:26:51.000 And so the first thing everybody says, ah!

02:26:55.000 It's not an archaeologist.

02:26:56.000 You've got a fucking number cruncher in here.

02:26:57.000 It's like the field of archaeoastronomy, as it's called, was first officially recognized because of the work of a guy named Alexander Tom.

02:27:06.000 He's the one that was like plotting out a bunch of shit in England and whatnot, right?

02:27:10.000 And seeing that this lines up with that, it looks like the ancients would stand here to look there.

02:27:16.000 He predicted that they would find a viewing platform at a certain site.

02:27:21.000 He's like, they stood up on the side of that hill.

02:27:22.000 I'll bet you'll find a platform there.

02:27:24.000 He found that platform and now he's starting to do some science here.

02:27:27.000 He's making predictions and they're coming true.

02:27:30.000 This guy was an engineer.

02:27:32.000 Not a chemical engineer.

02:27:33.000 He was a construction engineer.

02:27:34.000 But he had fuck all to do with archaeology.

02:27:37.000 This is very common.

02:27:38.000 If you look at the teams that make up archaeoastronomy expeditions, it's usually an astronomer.

02:27:44.000 An archaeologist?

02:27:45.000 And then somebody who's just a math whiz.

02:27:48.000 He's really, really, he's way above the pay grade on either one of these guys when it comes to number crunching.

02:27:53.000 That's generally speaking the teams that make these things up.

02:27:55.000 So when they go beating at this guy, that betrays they don't even know of this fucking field.

02:28:00.000 And of course these are all scientists and historians by and large that are doing that.

02:28:05.000 So it's really hilarious.

02:28:06.000 It's like you guys are...

02:28:08.000 You don't even look.

02:28:09.000 You don't even open the goddamn book.

02:28:12.000 One of them famously or infamously to me, because I drag him for it frequently, said, if it looks like a duck, if it walks like a duck, well, I hope you understand.

02:28:20.000 And it's like, well, I understand between us talking, but I do not fucking understand that for a scientist.

02:28:25.000 Fuck you on that.

02:28:25.000 If your job is to test chemicals to figure out which one does what, you don't say, well, it kind of looks like this one, so I'll skip it.

02:28:32.000 You fucking test each one.

02:28:33.000 Same thing here.

02:28:34.000 A hypothesis comes at you.

02:28:36.000 You don't get to be like, well, it kind of resembles the one that that one kook came up with.

02:28:40.000 We'll reject it.

02:28:41.000 You test it.

02:28:42.000 Or you don't call it science.

02:28:43.000 You call it guesswork.

02:28:45.000 Well, it's also really interesting in regards to Gobekli Tepe that they've essentially put a giant halt on the amount of excavations being done there.

02:28:54.000 And they've even planted trees over the areas that have not been excavated yet.

02:28:58.000 Yeah, they've done...

02:29:01.000 Yeah, some of the tree footage that I've seen is just abhorrent.

02:29:05.000 And aren't the trees a protected species of tree?

02:29:08.000 Yep.

02:29:09.000 So you can't cut them down.

02:29:10.000 You can't cut them down.

02:29:11.000 Which is like, why would you do that?

02:29:13.000 Why would you do that over one of the most important historical sites in human history?

02:29:17.000 Well, the guy that did it...

02:29:19.000 Like, he owns the site, right?

02:29:20.000 And then they find it, and now he's trying to sell it.

02:29:23.000 Or not trying to sell, excuse me.

02:29:24.000 The government comes like 10 years later and tells them that they're going to buy it.

02:29:28.000 And it's just like if you're, like, if the government's going to build a highway, it doesn't matter how much you paid for your home, it doesn't matter what you got on your property, they're going to come and look at it, and they have an equation for them, and that's all that matters.

02:29:40.000 If swimming pool's not on that form, fucking swimming pool doesn't get paid for.

02:29:44.000 Well, on this farmland...

02:29:47.000 Adding olive trees made that an orchard instead of basically arid farmland.

02:29:51.000 Oh, made it more valuable.

02:29:52.000 Made it more valuable.

02:29:54.000 But what's funny about this is, like, we talk about the arguments against this stuff and how stupid it is.

02:30:00.000 Okay, Jim points out...

02:30:02.000 That these trees are a problem.

02:30:04.000 And since it's Jim, and Jim is fucking public enemy number one to archaeologists, but I'm coming to get you, Jim.

02:30:09.000 It's going to be my spot soon.

02:30:11.000 But anyway, since Jim is fucking hated by these guys, it doesn't matter.

02:30:17.000 There is tons of documentation on the problems with having tree roots above a site, all the way from contamination with different microbes to they use a certain species of snail in Europe to determine certain dates.

02:30:30.000 Tree roots that punch right through that shit introduce that snail to places it shouldn't be, right?

02:30:37.000 Tree roots will...

02:30:38.000 If one of those enclosures at Gobekli Tepe is filled with water or had a well in it, all those roots are screaming down that thing and just blowing it to shit.

02:30:46.000 It's gone.

02:30:47.000 So there's a number of things archaeologists...

02:30:50.000 Everything I just told you, that's shit archaeologists say.

02:30:53.000 I learned all that from reading papers about...

02:30:55.000 What's the problem that tree roots can cause to archaeological sites?

02:30:58.000 Because everybody knows, at least all the construction guys know, they cause problems with foundations.

02:31:03.000 But they don't care.

02:31:05.000 Oh, those tree roots aren't so bad.

02:31:05.000 They'll argue all day.

02:31:07.000 That's a protective.

02:31:07.000 It's not such a big deal.

02:31:08.000 It's all because Jim mentioned it.

02:31:10.000 Had Flint mentioned it first, they would be all up in arms about taking care of those trees.

02:31:14.000 It's so clearly Red Rover, Red Rover.

02:31:19.000 It's all about teams.

02:31:20.000 It's just stupid.

02:31:21.000 It's a point where it's reprehensible at times, to be honest with you.

02:31:25.000 It's just shocking that steps haven't been taken to mitigate that when you consider that this is one of the most important.

02:31:32.000 Archaeological sites ever.

02:31:34.000 So it threw the monkey wrench into the whole idea that people were capable of building stuff like that only around 6,000 years ago.

02:31:43.000 Yeah.

02:31:44.000 It blasted that on its ear.

02:31:46.000 Like you were saying earlier, I remember—it drives me nuts because I can't find the— But I remember seeing it years ago of Graham talking to somebody and the guy saying, show me the civilization.

02:32:00.000 Yeah, that was with Zawi Hawass and there was another archaeologist, the guy with glasses.

02:32:05.000 Yeah, that's what he was saying.

02:32:06.000 And he was openly dismissive in the most disgusting way.

02:32:08.000 Where's the evidence?

02:32:11.000 Then they find it.

02:32:12.000 But back in those days, the standard operating model for humans.

02:32:17.000 Becoming from hunter-gatherers to civilization was you had to start farming and then you created a surplus of food.

02:32:26.000 And once you had enough of a surplus of food for long enough, you started to have these ruling classes emerge.

02:32:31.000 You get your astronomers and your priests and your shamans and all these guys don't want to work.

02:32:36.000 And so pretty soon you get these cities going and shit.

02:32:40.000 This can only happen when we have a huge surplus of food because that's obviously just wasted labor.

02:32:46.000 Well, Gobekli Tepe really threw that on its ear because there ain't no goddamn farming right then.

02:32:50.000 There's the beginnings of it.

02:32:51.000 There ain't no surplus of food there.

02:32:53.000 There's no surplus of human-created food.

02:32:56.000 You might be finding lots of animal bones and shit, but it wasn't like they...

02:33:00.000 Grew a bunch of food.

02:33:01.000 So it completely destroyed that entire narrative.

02:33:03.000 And that's the part that because it's a Graham Hancock site, they're slow to really admit that.

02:33:11.000 But go buy a book from the 90s and read about how humans progressed.

02:33:15.000 Buy an anthropology book and you'll see it very clear that they completely had to rewrite shit because of Gobekli Tepe.

02:33:21.000 Yeah.

02:33:22.000 And it's also a weird one too because they know it was intentionally covered up 11,000 years ago.

02:33:28.000 That one's wild.

02:33:29.000 That's wild.

02:33:30.000 That's one thing it's been pushed back on a lot, but it does look like – there's papers published both ways, but it does look like – last I saw, it does look like the consensus is it was buried deliberately.

02:33:42.000 What's the pushback?

02:33:43.000 The sides of the hill would like collapse into the thing and so that they would just eventually just kind of push some more of it in there and just level it out so they could use the area because it was a bunch of holes in the ground.

02:33:54.000 You couldn't walk your donkeys over or anything.

02:33:57.000 It seems like a lot of work.

02:33:57.000 I know.

02:33:59.000 There's a lot of areas around it you can walk your donkeys.

02:34:01.000 Yeah.

02:34:01.000 It's not like the whole area.

02:34:03.000 Yeah.

02:34:04.000 I agree.

02:34:05.000 I think that Gobekli Tepe, like any of those guys, I don't think.

02:34:09.000 I'm well aware.

02:34:10.000 Just like the – because Jimmy's involved with it, anything Graham Hancock touches, those guys, they're going to poo-poo it.

02:34:20.000 They're just going to dismiss it.

02:34:21.000 Right.

02:34:21.000 And it's sad because, like, he is – Them hitting him with the racist thing in particular, you know Graham.

02:34:30.000 That hits him.

02:34:31.000 That fucking hurts him.

02:34:32.000 He's very sensitive.

02:34:33.000 And that kind of shit, man, there are people that are Atlantis hunters today.

02:34:38.000 There's the guy, Robert Zafir.

02:34:42.000 I hate to say his name even, but I will because he needs to be put on blast a bit.

02:34:45.000 This guy is, he's an Atlantis bro.

02:34:47.000 He thinks that the DNA story that we've been told out of Africa is wrong.

02:34:52.000 Okay, fine.

02:34:53.000 Whatever.

02:34:54.000 Where the rubber hits the road is when he starts saying, he'll show like pictures of like old school anthropological models of proto-humans that are real dark skin and big hair coming out and looking half monkey, half man.

02:35:08.000 And then he'll say there's no way that this could come from the same stock and then show like a little six-year-old Danish girl with perfect fucking big blue eyes.

02:35:16.000 And this is this kind of constant digs at...

02:35:23.000 Africans, not out of Africa, but at Africa, all these different species bred with different hominids, and these guys bred with the stupid ones, and these other guys bred with smart ones, and these guys bred with strong ones.

02:35:35.000 It's racist, for lack of a better term.

02:35:40.000 It might not even be what you would consider white supremacist, but it's definitely...

02:35:44.000 When you're done with...

02:35:45.000 If you were to take everything he said and accept it, you would walk away thinking that different...

02:35:51.000 Groups of humans are clearly better than each other genetically, fucking hands down, and you can judge it based on skin.

02:35:58.000 So that is racist, right?

02:36:00.000 What does that have to do with Atlantis?

02:36:02.000 Well, he believes that Atlantis was like the people that spread the ideas around and stuff.

02:36:07.000 Kind of the same stuff I was saying earlier about that Ignatius Donnelly guy.

02:36:09.000 Oh, okay.

02:36:10.000 So he is what you would think.

02:36:13.000 He's got 300,000 subscribers or so on YouTube.

02:36:15.000 He's not a nobody.

02:36:16.000 So you would think he's the guy that these guys would be poking at for being a fucking racist.

02:36:20.000 They don't.

02:36:21.000 And there's a real big reason why they almost never do.

02:36:24.000 There's like two people with any following at all that have letters next to their name that are taking shots at this guy on YouTube.

02:36:29.000 And the reason is he is what they actually claim Graham is.

02:36:37.000 So it's like...

02:36:39.000 If you have somebody that's complaining about a trans activist, the one that's screaming, call me ma'am, that's what they're trying to say Graham is.

02:36:48.000 But actually, that's what Robert is.

02:36:49.000 And Graham just would be standing there being like, hey, how's it going?

02:36:53.000 So the problem is if you pay attention to that guy and you see the real racist, then it doesn't work when you call Graham a racist.

02:36:58.000 You can't call him a racist anymore, yeah.

02:37:00.000 Also, they probably don't want to give him any attention.

02:37:03.000 Well, they give him attention.

02:37:04.000 They talk about him.

02:37:05.000 They do.

02:37:07.000 Like I said, I didn't even want to mention his name, and I know I'm going to get people yelling at me about saying that, but the stuff that he puts out is very clearly...

02:37:14.000 Again, if you take it all on board, you would be a racist.

02:37:18.000 If you were to just accept it all, you'd be like, well, that guy's black.

02:37:21.000 He's just not as smart as me.

02:37:22.000 Sorry.

02:37:22.000 Fuck, there's a clip for you, Flint.

02:37:24.000 Have fun with that.

02:37:25.000 So one of the things that I saw on your channel in regards to Atlantis was this alloy.

02:37:34.000 That they found these ingots.

02:37:37.000 They found this...

02:37:37.000 What's the name of it?

02:37:38.000 I'm having trouble with this.

02:37:42.000 Acolium?

02:37:43.000 Something like that?

02:37:44.000 Yeah, something like that.

02:37:45.000 And it's a combination of zinc and what?

02:37:49.000 Zinc and copper and silver, I think.

02:37:53.000 It was like zinc and...

02:37:55.000 Mostly zinc and copper.

02:37:56.000 Maybe it was a tiny bit of silver.

02:37:58.000 It might have just been zinc and copper.

02:37:59.000 And they have found shipwrecks that have this stuff in it.

02:38:02.000 And it was written about before, too.

02:38:05.000 Like, it wasn't just written about with Atlantis.

02:38:08.000 Like, they'd written about it.

02:38:09.000 It was metal that the Greeks used.

02:38:10.000 It was basically from one little mountain region.

02:38:15.000 I have one of your videos that I was watching yesterday.

02:38:17.000 I can find it and send it to Jamie.

02:38:19.000 Did you find it, Jamie?

02:38:20.000 Yeah, that's it.

02:38:21.000 That's the word.

02:38:21.000 How do you say that word?

02:38:23.000 Oracallium.

02:38:24.000 Oracallium metal ingots recovered from shipwreck off Sicily.

02:38:27.000 Yep, that's it.

02:38:28.000 So this was an early version of a metal that they had created.

02:38:35.000 Yeah.

02:38:36.000 Well, they think that it might be an alloy that was found, but they...

02:38:40.000 That it was like a naturally occurring copper that way.

02:38:43.000 They're not 100%, I believe.

02:38:46.000 But you can make it?

02:38:48.000 We could, yes.

02:38:49.000 We could, yes.

02:38:49.000 As an alloy.

02:38:51.000 And what's interesting is it does talk about that in Atlantis.

02:38:54.000 Can you scroll up a little, Jeremy, so I can read that?

02:38:56.000 It says, today, most scholars agree that orcalium is a brass-like alloy which was made in antiquity by cementation.

02:39:05.000 The process was achieved with the reaction of zinc ore, charcoal, and copper metal in a crucible.

02:39:12.000 Analyzed by x-ray fluorescence by Dario Panetta of TQ Technologies for Quality, the 39 ingots turned to be an alloy made with 75-80% copper, 15-20% zinc, and small percentages of nickel, lead, and iron.

02:39:32.000 What would be the benefit of that alloy?

02:39:35.000 It was considered beautiful like gold, but cheaper and easier to get.

02:39:41.000 And second only to golden value.

02:39:44.000 It was found and mined in many parts of legendary Atlantis in ancient times.

02:39:50.000 They said that the temple walls in Atlantis were supposed to have been covered with that stuff.

02:39:55.000 But that's where, you know, myself, and I know this...

02:39:59.000 I think that there's a really good chance that a lot of the evidence that we have, a lot of the written records, the myths and stuff of Atlantis, I think a lot of that's going to have a cultural infusion so heavy into it that a lot of the details will get lost and you could almost just be like there was a civilization that was more advanced than the people that wrote about them and that's almost all you could take away sometimes.

02:40:21.000 Like the Greeks...

02:40:25.000 Atlantis happened to be a democratic society.

02:40:27.000 Well, no shit.

02:40:28.000 The Greeks, they valued that democracy.

02:40:29.000 It was something they were real proud of.

02:40:31.000 So, of course, this great place was democratic.

02:40:34.000 And, of course, they had the same.

02:40:35.000 That rich-ass metal, all the fuck, and they covered their temples in that shit, bro.

02:40:39.000 To me, it seemed, you know what I mean?

02:40:41.000 It's just like, a lot of people say that the whole thing, you know, that Plato just used Atlantis as an allegory or a myth.

02:40:48.000 What is this, Jamie?

02:40:50.000 Brass.

02:40:51.000 Let's see.

02:40:52.000 Chemical analysis of the ingots found in 2015 Shipwreck, high-quality brass.

02:40:57.000 Brass is an alloy of copper and zinc.

02:40:59.000 While the ancient Greeks did not know metallic zinc, they knew zinc-coating ores.

02:41:05.000 And the description...

02:41:06.000 That oricalium has similar color and shine as gold fits well with the properties of brass.

02:41:11.000 While brass is not exactly a precious metal, it does not corrode and is widely used on jewelry, marine instruments, and medical instruments.

02:41:18.000 Goldsmiths and jewelers describe brass as mahogany of metals.

02:41:21.000 Wasn't that device, I don't remember how to say the word.

02:41:27.000 Antikytherum?

02:41:28.000 Antikytherum, yeah.

02:41:29.000 Wasn't that made out of brass as well?

02:41:30.000 Part of it was brass, yes.

02:41:31.000 Yeah.

02:41:32.000 That thing's pretty crazy.

02:41:33.000 That thing's insane.

02:41:35.000 That thing is insane.

02:41:36.000 It shows some serious thinking going on.

02:41:38.000 Serious planning.

02:41:40.000 And as I've said numerous times, I think that if it didn't look so clunky when they found it, I don't think that we'd have it.

02:41:46.000 I think it ended up on some rich guy's shelf because it's way too fucking cool.

02:41:50.000 But they looked at it and they're just like, I don't know, there's like a mass of metal with like some gear frozen to it or I don't know, it's all corroded shit.

02:41:57.000 Then they bring it up and hand it off and you say, oh, fuck me!

02:42:00.000 Look what we got here!

02:42:01.000 Because, yeah, I mean, that looks kind of cool, but it doesn't look nearly as...

02:42:05.000 It just looks like a wheel.

02:42:06.000 And it was found next to a bunch of statues, right?

02:42:08.000 Mm-hmm.

02:42:09.000 So they had stuff of real value as far as they were concerned.

02:42:12.000 Well, what's really fascinating is the 3D analysis of what it was and how it worked.

02:42:17.000 See if you can find that.

02:42:19.000 When they show, like, that's it right there.

02:42:22.000 This is the depiction of what it looked like when it was actually functional.

02:42:26.000 Yeah, it's insane.

02:42:27.000 It's like, what the fuck is that thing?

02:42:30.000 And this was some sort of super sophisticated calendar, right?

02:42:35.000 Basically, you know that thing at school where you would...

02:42:35.000 Yeah.

02:42:39.000 Oh, I thought it was how they traveled.

02:42:40.000 No.

02:42:41.000 It says weather patterns and stuff.

02:42:43.000 Weather patterns?

02:42:44.000 Star phases and weather patterns.

02:42:46.000 Right.

02:42:47.000 You know those things in high school or college where you...

02:42:50.000 Turn a crank and the sun and all the planets go around it, right?

02:42:55.000 Corresponding weather predictions and star phases.

02:42:57.000 You can correspond weather with star phases?

02:43:00.000 I guess if you're doing a calendar, right?

02:43:02.000 So if you're looking at when is it going to be winter?

02:43:06.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:43:07.000 How fucking cool.

02:43:07.000 Wow.

02:43:09.000 Yeah, it's pretty impressive stuff.

02:43:10.000 That's like way earlier than anybody thought anybody had a mechanical clock.

02:43:15.000 Well, yeah, there's...

02:43:17.000 That's stuff I haven't researched for a long time, but I remember...

02:43:20.000 Oh, that's what it looks like when it's separated.

02:43:22.000 Yeah, this is someone making a planetary thing.

02:43:24.000 Whoa.

02:43:26.000 Yeah, like I was saying, it's effectively, that's the same kind of thing, basically.

02:43:30.000 So that's what it's based on?

02:43:31.000 All those little...

02:43:32.000 Well, no, it's just...

02:43:34.000 Those are based on it, or...

02:43:36.000 The A.A. Kitts' mechanism was way before that, right?

02:43:39.000 Yeah.

02:43:40.000 So...

02:43:40.000 What year was this, supposedly?

02:43:42.000 I want to say, like...

02:43:43.000 1500 B.C. or something?

02:43:45.000 I think it just said 500 B.C. Is that what it said, Jamie?

02:43:51.000 Discovered in 1901. Second century B.C. Oh, so, okay.

02:43:56.000 200 B.C. But there was definitely more than one of those.

02:44:00.000 Oh, God, yeah.

02:44:00.000 That's what's crazy.

02:44:01.000 So this is the whole thing when you're talking about ancient technology.

02:44:05.000 If this is only 2,200 years ago, 15,000 years ago, you ain't gonna find shit.

02:44:12.000 Like, that is so much longer.

02:44:13.000 And if you think about how eroded that is, if that thing was still in the ocean 10,000 years from now, there'd be nothing left.

02:44:19.000 Yeah.

02:44:20.000 That's the other thing that's really gross about the whole shipwreck dismissal, is that these ships were made out of wood, the wood would be gone.

02:44:26.000 This idea that it would all be preserved because of cold water, there's no evidence of that.

02:44:29.000 There's evidence of things that are like 600 years old, 1,000 years old.

02:44:32.000 As soon as you get older than that, you get nothing but the pottery and the jewelry on the floor of the ocean, right?

02:44:38.000 You're absolutely right.

02:44:40.000 We don't have fuck-all for shipwrecks way back in those days.

02:44:44.000 And those ships that are preserved from even close to like 10,000 years ago aren't ships.

02:44:50.000 They're little fucking canoes that are found in bogs and places, right?

02:44:52.000 If it's in the ocean, it's not.

02:44:54.000 It's Swiss cheese after a few thousand years and you ain't gonna have nothing left.

02:45:00.000 One of the things that really is sad about that whole deal is it's...

02:45:06.000 You know, there was a potential for a real good discussion to be had there.

02:45:10.000 Flint does know a lot about archaeology.

02:45:12.000 And he could have sat down with Graham and had a good conversation about this stuff.

02:45:18.000 But in order to do that, he would have had to have not...

02:45:22.000 Construed it as a debate in his mind.

02:45:24.000 I mean, a quarterly was still going to get labeled as such.

02:45:26.000 But by making a debate in his head, it's like...

02:45:29.000 You have to win.

02:45:30.000 You have to win.

02:45:31.000 And so you have to sew holes that can't be sewn shut.

02:45:34.000 If we're talking about...

02:45:35.000 Like that.

02:45:37.000 There's shipwrecks.

02:45:38.000 Oh, well, you've got to make sure that there's no shipwrecks.

02:45:40.000 You've got to make sure that there's no place for him to speculate whatsoever.

02:45:43.000 And that's just like, dude.

02:45:45.000 So you end up with...

02:45:47.000 Right, because he's still right in one way, right?

02:45:49.000 And the way he's right is there's no evidence of a 10,000-year-old shipwreck.

02:45:53.000 No, there is no evidence of a 10,000-year-old shipwreck.

02:45:55.000 That's all you have to say.

02:45:55.000 That's true.

02:45:56.000 And you have to say, well, we have to make a giant leap if you want to assume that people were seafarers.

02:46:00.000 But it is possible.

02:46:02.000 If it's possible that they did it 2,000 years ago, do we really know for absolute certainty what year the boat was invented?

02:46:09.000 Thank you.

02:46:10.000 I'll tell you something that's kind of painful and hilarious but sad about this.

02:46:15.000 You know, Flint, they're close.

02:46:16.000 Closing the anthropology department at the University of Flint teaches at right now.

02:46:22.000 They're closing down other anthropology departments and archaeology departments across the world right now, across the country.

02:46:27.000 I just posted one a couple days ago.

02:46:32.000 Flint was sitting here with Graham talking to you, and there was the opportunity for him to say, We do need to do more investigation, Graham.

02:46:42.000 I completely agree with you, which is why I think we need to get some people out there to do some underwater archaeology.

02:46:47.000 Where do you think, Graham?

02:46:49.000 He could be drumming up fucking business.

02:46:51.000 And then, at the very least, even if he looked down his nose at everything Graham had to say, the cheddar comes in, the investigations happen, and everybody's happy.

02:47:08.000 Instead, they're closing his fucking department.

02:47:10.000 I mean, dude, to me, it's just such a—I mean, it might not necessarily be directly related, but he had an opportunity that he completely didn't just piss it away.

02:47:19.000 He just drove it into the ground, did the opposite of what he should have done with it.

02:47:23.000 And they do that— As a matter of course, Jimmy Corsetti brought up once about a year ago on Twitter, he's like, oh yeah, you know, I think the Nephilim in the Bible, it talks about the giants, the Nephilim, I think maybe that might be an extinct species of hominid.

02:47:37.000 And maybe Denisovans, maybe Neanderthal.

02:47:41.000 So instead of being like, hey, that's interesting, man, but you know what?

02:47:44.000 Denisovans and Neanderthal are both the wrong size for, neither one of them were bigger than humans, so they couldn't be giants.

02:47:49.000 You need to look into Gigantopithecus or maybe some other, and sent Jim on.

02:47:54.000 On to go learn about science.

02:47:56.000 Instead, they said, no, it's fucking stupid.

02:47:57.000 Both of these are smaller than that.

02:47:58.000 God, this Jimmy Corsetti guy's a fucking grifter.

02:48:00.000 God, he's stupid.

02:48:02.000 And then...

02:48:03.000 I can come along and point out that you missed an opportunity here, guys.

02:48:08.000 Why are you doing it like this?

02:48:09.000 Why are you being dicks instead of trying...

02:48:11.000 You're here trying to be a science educator, right?

02:48:13.000 He has a bigger platform than you, right?

02:48:13.000 Right.

02:48:17.000 The giant thing is always weird to me because there's so many people that believe in kooky shit that want to believe there was giants.

02:48:23.000 They hit them.

02:48:25.000 Smithsonian, they've got them tucked away.

02:48:26.000 Why?

02:48:27.000 Why would they hide giants?

02:48:28.000 Would society fall apart if we knew that at one point in time there were 11-foot men running around?

02:48:34.000 And what happened to them?

02:48:36.000 Maybe they're just like a lot of other large animals that just need too many resources.

02:48:40.000 We ate them all, and that's why they're gone.

02:48:42.000 Yeah.

02:48:43.000 Maybe they're just dumb as shit and huge.

02:48:46.000 We ate them.

02:48:47.000 Or we killed them.

02:48:48.000 Maybe we got tired of them raiding our villages, and they couldn't figure out weapons because they were so big they never had to.

02:48:53.000 If we do know that they're just tiny hobbit people, why wouldn't we assume that, look, if the tallest humans are like, what's the tallest guy ever?

02:49:00.000 He's like nine feet tall.

02:49:01.000 Eight foot three.

02:49:01.000 Robert Wadlow.

02:49:02.000 I grew up near him.

02:49:04.000 So let's imagine something two feet bigger than that.

02:49:06.000 That's not so hard to believe.

02:49:08.000 That there was a bunch of them?

02:49:09.000 Is that hard to believe?

02:49:10.000 If we find out that there was Little Hobbit people, and if we find out there was Denisovans, and what's those big-headed people that they found, we were talking about it, they found in China, the extra-large skulls?

02:49:21.000 It's a very recent discovery.

02:49:23.000 We were just talking about it.

02:49:25.000 They thought at one point in time they were Dennis Ovens, and now they think it's a completely separate chain.

02:49:30.000 Oh, wow.

02:49:30.000 Yeah.

02:49:31.000 They're always finding these new little weird humans.

02:49:33.000 But these big-headed people, they had, like, large brows, and their skulls were much larger than ours.

02:49:40.000 Hmm.

02:49:40.000 They were?

02:49:41.000 Yeah.

02:49:41.000 And we just had—we pulled images of them the other day.

02:49:45.000 Remember?

02:49:45.000 They looked giant.

02:49:46.000 We had jacked versions of it.

02:49:49.000 We call them just the large-head people.

02:49:50.000 I don't have a better name for it.

02:49:53.000 Fuck.

02:49:54.000 Google big-head people discovered.

02:49:57.000 I did.

02:49:58.000 Literally, the website says large-head people.

02:50:01.000 Yeah.

02:50:02.000 I don't have a better name for it.

02:50:04.000 But remember, we did find a better name the other day.

02:50:07.000 Those are the people.

02:50:07.000 That's it.

02:50:08.000 That's the article.

02:50:09.000 So this is December 2024. So it was really recent.

02:50:13.000 Wow, yeah.

02:50:14.000 Wow.

02:50:16.000 cousins of the Denisovans and Neanderthals that once lived alongside homo sapiens in Eastern Asia more than a hundred thousand years ago.

02:50:23.000 The brains of these extinct humans who probably hunted horses and small groups were much bigger than any other hominin of their time including our own species." Yeah.

02:50:33.000 What?

02:50:34.000 Bigger brain things?

02:50:34.000 That's crazy.

02:50:36.000 Like, what is this thing?

02:50:38.000 Julleran.

02:50:38.000 Yeah, Google Julleran images.

02:50:41.000 There's some cool fucking CGI versions of what they think this thing looked like.

02:50:47.000 Go to images.

02:50:50.000 Damn.

02:50:52.000 There's one where he's like super jacked.

02:50:55.000 Oh, that's it.

02:50:56.000 Like that one over there.

02:50:58.000 Like, look at that.

02:50:58.000 Fart.

02:51:01.000 Super jacked primate.

02:51:04.000 That stands upright.

02:51:05.000 Here's a weird one.

02:51:06.000 How come all the intelligent things stand upright?

02:51:09.000 Is it because you need your hands free?

02:51:10.000 Because if you're walking on four legs, you never figure anything out because you're always using your hands to walk with.

02:51:15.000 That might be part of it.

02:51:16.000 Like, you need to become bipedal.

02:51:20.000 Opposable thumbs.

02:51:21.000 Well, the aliens don't, though.

02:51:21.000 Yeah.

02:51:22.000 They gave up on that.

02:51:23.000 They would just want three digits.

02:51:24.000 Well, that's because they all just do tablets now.

02:51:26.000 Yeah, they're so advanced, they're just scrolling.

02:51:28.000 You ever seen a little kid take a magazine and try to, like, pinch it?

02:51:32.000 I saw this today.

02:51:33.000 This was the world's tallest woman, meaning the world's smallest woman.

02:51:36.000 Wow.

02:51:36.000 Yeah.

02:51:37.000 Look how...

02:51:37.000 Right?

02:51:38.000 That's insane.

02:51:39.000 And those are both human beings.

02:51:40.000 Yep.

02:51:41.000 Right?

02:51:41.000 At the same time.

02:51:42.000 Well, one of the things that's interesting to me about the giant bones, like, the reports that they go...

02:51:47.000 The things that they use to really...

02:51:49.000 Their smoking gun is, like, there's a few reports from, like, the West Coast and, like...

02:51:55.000 Grand Canyon and shit.

02:51:57.000 And they would send these letters back being like, or the newspaper that this guy discovered these big giant bones and they're bringing them back.

02:52:05.000 I'm of the opinion, being...

02:52:07.000 The skeptical person I am, I'm of the opinion that this was more of an announcement to the people back east that, hey, if these things happen to get stolen along the way and I happen to find a bunch of money along the way, now's your chance because once they get to the Smithsonian boys, they're theirs.

02:52:23.000 So I don't think any of them made it.

02:52:25.000 If these exist, if they were giant bones at all, I don't think a damn one of them made it to the Smithsonian.

02:52:29.000 I think they got bought up.

02:52:31.000 I mean, fuck.

02:52:32.000 Come on.

02:52:33.000 These guys have their fingers.

02:52:34.000 Some Jeff Bezos type character from 18...

02:52:37.000 Two.

02:52:38.000 Has it in his house.

02:52:39.000 Archaeology became a field.

02:52:41.000 Imagine if you go over some skull and bone type dude's house and you have a fucking giant skeleton.

02:52:45.000 Jesus Christ!

02:52:47.000 You have a giant skeleton in your house?

02:52:48.000 Metal plates on his face and stuff.

02:52:51.000 They're fucking real?

02:52:51.000 They're real?

02:52:52.000 How many people have those little alien babies?

02:52:55.000 Those little alien skeletons?

02:52:57.000 I mean, if people find out about that, some crazy Chinese billionaire, they're like, get me a little alien.

02:53:02.000 Come on.

02:53:03.000 I want it for my study.

02:53:04.000 Yeah, and that's basically how that's...

02:53:06.000 That probably happens a lot, right?

02:53:08.000 Because these archaeologists aren't making much money.

02:53:10.000 No, and of course it happens, especially in the third world and shit.

02:53:15.000 Oh, yeah.

02:53:15.000 I mean, and that's where all the, not all, but that's where a lot of the cool stuff is.

02:53:18.000 But you go to a place like that, it's like, your boy up in Alaska finds a spot, and because it's not human remains, he can do whatever the fuck he wants.

02:53:27.000 If those were native remains, it'd be a different story.

02:53:29.000 And, like, he's pulling cash out of that.

02:53:34.000 Guys in other countries where they don't even have enough to feed—I mean, look at how the Dead Sea Scrolls were found, right?

02:53:39.000 They just buy them off of fucking little kids and shit, right?

02:53:41.000 People that had no money.

02:53:43.000 Like, the kids throw rocks up there, and then they find them, and then the dudes—the first ones were bought from the kids that found them.

02:53:49.000 Isn't that crazy?

02:53:50.000 It's insane.

02:53:50.000 And for nothing, of course.

02:53:51.000 And imagine if they were just burned somewhere.

02:53:54.000 Imagine someone said, this is heresy and lit them on fire.

02:53:58.000 We would have lost it all.

02:53:59.000 Like, Library of Alexandria.

02:54:01.000 Like all that.

02:54:03.000 All that shit that ISIS blew up.

02:54:05.000 Oh, right, right.

02:54:05.000 Fuck.

02:54:06.000 Yeah.

02:54:07.000 Crazy.

02:54:08.000 Seeing those videos was, like, bad.

02:54:08.000 That hurt.

02:54:10.000 I read that about the mummies.

02:54:12.000 That's how they found them, the Nazca mummies.

02:54:14.000 There was grave robbers because they were found in a cemetery area.

02:54:17.000 But someone found some weird ones, I guess, amongst the bodies.

02:54:22.000 Which ones do you think they took first?

02:54:25.000 Yeah.

02:54:25.000 You walk in there and there's all these 200 of them.

02:54:28.000 One of them is really extra crazy looking.

02:54:31.000 Give me that one.

02:54:32.000 Give me the alien.

02:54:33.000 The one with the giant head.

02:54:34.000 The reports that...

02:54:35.000 I told you Rockefeller got those big skulls.

02:54:38.000 The reports say that they gave him three or four bundles that were in desperate need of repair.

02:54:42.000 I call bullshit of that.

02:54:44.000 I think he got the four best motherfucking bundles they had.

02:54:47.000 Probably.

02:54:48.000 Probably got him set up with a UFO in the background in his house.

02:54:51.000 You've got to go to a secret room.

02:54:53.000 Look.

02:54:54.000 The visitors.

02:54:55.000 They've been here forever.

02:54:57.000 But one of the things I did want to ask you is one of the wackier theories that I read online was that there was a discovery of some sort of an Egyptian temple in the Grand Canyon.

02:55:06.000 Yes, I've heard this.

02:55:07.000 Yeah.

02:55:08.000 That's basically one guy's story.

02:55:10.000 It's cool.

02:55:11.000 I want to believe.

02:55:12.000 That's the problem.

02:55:13.000 I want to believe, too.

02:55:14.000 That's the problem.

02:55:14.000 I want to believe, too.

02:55:15.000 But why would they hide that from us?

02:55:16.000 Well, the only reason that...

02:55:19.000 There's a part of the Grand Canyon you can't go to.

02:55:21.000 That is true.

02:55:22.000 Dun, dun, dun.

02:55:24.000 Why can't you go?

02:55:25.000 What's the rule?

02:55:26.000 I think it has to do with Native American stuff, but I haven't dug too terribly into this, to be honest with you.

02:55:31.000 Let them have a casino and let us go there.

02:55:34.000 It might even be because they're worried about people falling off the side of a cliff or something and dying.

02:55:39.000 But they die every day.

02:55:41.000 Not every day, but like every year someone dies at the Grand Canyon.

02:55:41.000 Yeah, they do.

02:55:44.000 But this is supposed to be, that cave is supposed to be in that area, and it's supposed to be like...

02:55:48.000 Pretty hard to find, pretty inaccessible.

02:55:51.000 But yeah, I was supposed to have all kinds of Egyptian relics and stuff in there.

02:55:55.000 Can you imagine if the government's been hiding that from us and UFOs?

02:55:58.000 You guys found an Egyptian temple in the Grand Canyon.

02:56:01.000 You hid it for so long you had to keep hiding it.

02:56:04.000 Otherwise you would have been an asshole five years ago, a hundred years ago.

02:56:07.000 It's like we don't ever admit we were assholes, so we'll just keep it hidden forever and ever.

02:56:07.000 You know what I mean?

02:56:07.000 Yeah.

02:56:12.000 We'll know who killed JFK before we get to see what's in that cave.

02:56:16.000 Allegedly.

02:56:16.000 Allegedly, yes.

02:56:17.000 Yeah, I'm not buying anything.

02:56:19.000 No.

02:56:20.000 No.

02:56:21.000 We're going to release the documents.

02:56:22.000 Sure.

02:56:24.000 Once they said they were going to release the documents, I was like, sweet, I'm going to go look into it.

02:56:28.000 And they're like, oh, it's just going to take a couple, three.

02:56:30.000 Okay, fuck you.

02:56:31.000 Well, they have to go through it all.

02:56:34.000 Because they haven't done that yet.

02:56:36.000 Yeah, I don't know.

02:56:38.000 Well, I get it.

02:56:43.000 Maybe it could be the grandson of one of the people involved has got power or something nowadays.

02:56:48.000 It doesn't really matter a whole lot.

02:56:50.000 If there's power involved, they're just going to kick that can.

02:56:54.000 Especially if somehow or another you could show that those people profited from that power and then that family has inherited that money and they'd be held liable.

02:57:02.000 Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy.

02:57:03.000 Listen, Dan, I really enjoy your videos.

02:57:06.000 They're great.

02:57:06.000 It's a great channel, D-Dunking.

02:57:08.000 It's awesome.

02:57:09.000 It's on YouTube.

02:57:10.000 Always great to talk to you.

02:57:11.000 I'm glad you came back here to do it again.

02:57:13.000 And let's do it another time, man.

02:57:14.000 Yeah, I would love that.

02:57:15.000 Thank you so much, man.

02:57:17.000 Come down here and we'll decipher it.

02:57:19.000 Thanks for the invite, Joe.

02:57:20.000 I really appreciate it.

02:57:21.000 My pleasure.

02:57:21.000 Great conversation.

02:57:22.000 All right.

02:57:22.000 I enjoyed it.

The Joe Rogan Experience - February 04, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2267 - Dan Richards

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