The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2273

00:00:00.000 the Joe Rogan experience train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day bullshit I never got it until this year but that's what they said That's what they say.

00:00:16.000 You get it within a couple years, you get it, and then all of a sudden, you got it.

00:00:21.000 Yeah, I don't know what the fuck they are.

00:00:23.000 It's not bad.

00:00:23.000 I could hear it the other day.

00:00:25.000 I heard it.

00:00:25.000 Stuffiness?

00:00:26.000 Yeah, I heard it.

00:00:27.000 Yeah, I had it for like four days.

00:00:28.000 I've had stuffiness.

00:00:29.000 But the thing is, like, when I work out, I feel great.

00:00:31.000 The way I can really tell, like, the way I judge whether or not I should even work out is when I get in the sauna in the cold plunge.

00:00:37.000 If I feel tired and weak when I'm in there, then I know something's going on.

00:00:41.000 It's not as simple as allergies.

00:00:43.000 So I thought for 10 years I had the Austin allergy.

00:00:47.000 For 10 years.

00:00:48.000 It was so bad.

00:00:49.000 I'd go out to dinner.

00:00:50.000 Even when we moved out to Fredericksburg, We come into Austin.

00:00:53.000 I thought it was Austin.

00:00:55.000 I'm serious.

00:00:55.000 I'm like, Austin has given me this stuff.

00:00:57.000 We go out to dinner, start eating, and then my nose, my eyes, everything just, and I have to always excuse myself, always have to have tissues in my back pocket.

00:01:06.000 Then I got my teeth done, which we talked about, I think, the last time I was here.

00:01:10.000 And Maverick, my periodontist, he did one of these 360 MRIs.

00:01:15.000 He says, you know, ma'am, you've got some low-level infection here.

00:01:20.000 And that could be responsible for a whole bunch of stuff.

00:01:22.000 Now, I'd had hearing aids for five years.

00:01:25.000 So when he did the initial extraction, I think I took one or two shows off, and then I went back in the studio, put my headphones on, and like, whoa, I thought I'd hit something, you know, a volume knob or something.

00:01:38.000 Came back.

00:01:39.000 Your hearing came back.

00:01:40.000 Because this was infected and it was basically clogging up my sinuses and that was affecting the hearing.

00:01:48.000 Having a mouth infection like that is very dangerous, isn't it?

00:01:52.000 People have no idea how important oral health is.

00:01:55.000 It's really, really critical.

00:01:57.000 And also, I feel better because I'm not fighting infection continuously.

00:02:02.000 That's crazy.

00:02:02.000 How did it all start?

00:02:04.000 What was going on with your teeth?

00:02:08.000 I had a bad start in life.

00:02:11.000 When I was two or three, we're living in Uganda, and my parents would put me to sleep with a chocolate cookie.

00:02:18.000 So I had kind of a bad start, you know, and I had a lot of work.

00:02:22.000 I had, you know, just tons of fillings on my baby teeth.

00:02:26.000 Everything was messed up.

00:02:27.000 Then I had the big outboard headgear, which really...

00:02:31.000 Traumatized me for life, taking that to school.

00:02:33.000 I was one of those guys.

00:02:35.000 Oh, yeah.

00:02:36.000 Oh, yeah.

00:02:37.000 It was bad.

00:02:38.000 And about 10 years ago, maybe a little bit more, I went to a dentist here in Austin.

00:02:47.000 And, you know, he's like, you know, we really got to start doing stuff.

00:02:49.000 We got to start looking at repairing.

00:02:51.000 And then this dentist started hitting on me and texting me.

00:02:54.000 And, you know, I'm like, oh, great.

00:02:56.000 Guy or girl?

00:02:57.000 Guy.

00:02:58.000 Damn.

00:02:59.000 Like, no, no, no, no, no.

00:03:00.000 And I knew that there was a Pandora's box in there.

00:03:02.000 How wild is that?

00:03:03.000 Like, what a risky move.

00:03:05.000 It was so dumb.

00:03:06.000 You're a married straight guy.

00:03:08.000 It's like, yeah, I think I can get him now.

00:03:12.000 He can be on our team.

00:03:14.000 That is such a man.

00:03:16.000 And move.

00:03:17.000 It's such a thing that men would do.

00:03:19.000 It's so stupid.

00:03:20.000 You're like, I'm here with some buddies of mine, you know, sending a picture.

00:03:22.000 I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.

00:03:24.000 They're all shirtless and fucking wearing cowboy hats.

00:03:28.000 Yeehaw!

00:03:28.000 I'm not going back.

00:03:29.000 I'm good.

00:03:30.000 And then Tina and I, you know, we got together.

00:03:33.000 We moved out to Fredericksburg.

00:03:34.000 And she's real big on, you know, preventative anything.

00:03:38.000 You know, her car has the oil, everything on time.

00:03:40.000 Everything's all set.

00:03:41.000 And her teeth, of course, are impeccable.

00:03:43.000 That's not like a good fit for you.

00:03:45.000 Totally.

00:03:47.000 You need an organized lady.

00:03:49.000 I had a credit score of 350. Oh, no.

00:03:52.000 I didn't have credit cards.

00:03:53.000 I was just cash.

00:03:54.000 I didn't care.

00:03:55.000 I had cash flow.

00:03:57.000 Everything's good.

00:03:57.000 I don't care.

00:03:58.000 She straightened me out.

00:04:00.000 Oh, yeah.

00:04:00.000 Oh, big time.

00:04:02.000 Disorganized men very much need organized women.

00:04:05.000 Yes.

00:04:05.000 You just can't have one that turns into your mom.

00:04:08.000 Oh, no.

00:04:09.000 That was my first wife.

00:04:10.000 That does happen with some of them.

00:04:13.000 Some of them, when you give them the reins and they start telling you what to do, all of a sudden, then it becomes very non-sexy.

00:04:18.000 I will say, props to my first wife, she kept me, that was the height of my show business fame, MTV, she kept me out of trouble.

00:04:27.000 I did not participate.

00:04:29.000 She was a good mommy.

00:04:29.000 She was a good mom!

00:04:31.000 And she's a good mom to our daughter, you know, so, yeah, for sure.

00:04:35.000 Well, you know, you change, they change, you need a different kind of a mom.

00:04:39.000 Things change.

00:04:40.000 Things change.

00:04:42.000 Yeah, so then, you know, I went through it.

00:04:44.000 Yeah, it was like, and that's also when I stopped smoking, you know, because...

00:04:50.000 Maverick called me up.

00:04:51.000 He said, hey, man, I'm going to be operating on you in a week.

00:04:54.000 Could you do me a favor and stop putting fire in your mouth?

00:04:56.000 And I've been smoking weed and tobacco since I was 15. And I quit at that moment.

00:05:02.000 I didn't ever eat.

00:05:03.000 I mean, I vape like a crazy horse.

00:05:05.000 Well, that's not good, is it?

00:05:06.000 Well, that's a question.

00:05:08.000 You and I have gone over this, and we will go back to it.

00:05:10.000 It's a nicotine delivery device.

00:05:13.000 Yes, that's what it is.

00:05:14.000 We'll get to that.

00:05:15.000 Yeah, sure.

00:05:16.000 So just cleaning out the infections, what was going on that that was fucking up your hearing?

00:05:21.000 It was like the whole area was inflamed?

00:05:24.000 Yes, right by your sinuses, and so everything's connected.

00:05:27.000 If you hold your nose, you can hear differently.

00:05:31.000 So whatever it was doing, and it literally...

00:05:34.000 Just a couple days after he extracted more than that, but after he extracted those teeth, it just came back.

00:05:41.000 And I didn't have horrible hearing loss, but it was enough where I was sick of saying, I'm sorry, darling, what did you say?

00:05:46.000 I'm sorry.

00:05:47.000 And the moment you get to like, I didn't hear her.

00:05:50.000 I'll ask her later.

00:05:51.000 That's when I went, no, I got to get hearing aids.

00:05:53.000 I don't want to.

00:05:54.000 And it's one of the biggest reasons men...

00:05:58.000 Get depressed is when they can't hear and they kind of withdraw.

00:06:02.000 Really?

00:06:03.000 Yeah.

00:06:03.000 Oh, it's a real crisis.

00:06:05.000 Yeah.

00:06:05.000 Anyone, you need to go, if you think, just have your ears tested anyway.

00:06:09.000 Why not?

00:06:10.000 I mean, you get your eyes tested, get your ears tested, get your teeth taken care of.

00:06:13.000 So if they find out your ears are not good, do they ever check for infections?

00:06:17.000 No.

00:06:17.000 Because it seems like now you should get in the medical book.

00:06:21.000 Thank you.

00:06:22.000 Actually, he's been writing a paper on this for this very reason.

00:06:25.000 And it's only because he did the 360 MRI that he saw it.

00:06:29.000 And he also knew what to look for.

00:06:30.000 It's his expertise.

00:06:32.000 When I met this guy, I was like, he's young.

00:06:35.000 He's like in his 30s.

00:06:36.000 I'm like...

00:06:37.000 So why did you choose this profession?

00:06:39.000 He says, I like operating.

00:06:41.000 I really love doing that stuff.

00:06:42.000 I'm like, okay, you sound cool.

00:06:44.000 And it turns out he's a pilot, you know, so we've become friends.

00:06:48.000 But yeah, he says people have no idea.

00:06:50.000 And so he has been working on a paper to publish about this very thing.

00:06:54.000 It's just not known.

00:06:55.000 I talked about it on the podcast and people from all over the world like...

00:06:59.000 Really, man?

00:06:59.000 You know, I've been having hearing issues.

00:07:01.000 Get an MRI. Get a 360 MRI of your head.

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00:08:23.000 You know, it's an interesting subject because candy and sugar is really what caused all this horrible tooth decay in people.

00:08:31.000 And the goofy fucking solution that someone came up with along the way was putting fluoride in the water.

00:08:38.000 Which is so goddamned insane that you're taking a neurotoxin and you're putting it in the water.

00:08:47.000 I don't want to take even a political position on this.

00:08:51.000 I just want to look at this from a human lens.

00:08:55.000 There is something that people do where even if something is obviously stupid, if it's a part of a system...

00:09:06.000 And there's enough air quotes experts that have endorsed this, regardless of the fact that we've seen time and time again throughout history that experts are compromised, experts are...

00:09:17.000 You could put in...

00:09:18.000 You could have a court case for a murder and bring in experts that will tell you he definitely did it, and experts will tell you he definitely didn't do it.

00:09:26.000 So we know this for a fact.

00:09:28.000 But still, people argue on the side of the experts.

00:09:32.000 And I've seen this about fluoride, and it's so mind-boggling.

00:09:36.000 There are conclusive studies that show a direct correlation between high levels of fluoride It's a neurotoxin.

00:09:50.000 We know it's bad for you in large doses, and yet there are fucking people out there with college degrees who read the New York Times who think they're sensible people that will get angry if you want to remove this neurotoxin from water because look at all the strides it's done in preventing tooth decay.

00:10:09.000 And you just want to say, hey man, fuck you.

00:10:12.000 This is stupid.

00:10:14.000 I went to dinner at Mitch's house.

00:10:15.000 I'm a little upset.

00:10:17.000 No, it's okay because we're sitting down.

00:10:19.000 It's my wife, his wife.

00:10:21.000 He has one of those houses right on the airport where this plane rolls out of the garage, out of the hangar.

00:10:26.000 Oh, he's out of touch.

00:10:28.000 Exactly.

00:10:29.000 I paid for that.

00:10:31.000 I paid for that hangar.

00:10:34.000 And we're sitting down and we're having a good time.

00:10:36.000 We're talking about stuff.

00:10:37.000 He says, so what do you think about Florida?

00:10:38.000 He said, should not be in the water.

00:10:40.000 He's like, you're wrong!

00:10:41.000 And this is only a couple years ago.

00:10:43.000 And now he's come back and he said, oh man.

00:10:47.000 Did he apologize?

00:10:48.000 Yeah, of course.

00:10:48.000 This was drilled into my head.

00:10:51.000 What I understand is fluoride is a byproduct of aluminum production.

00:10:57.000 And a lot of this, you know, they had this fluoride waste product, basically, they needed to get rid of.

00:11:03.000 And from what I understand, it was Alcoa.

00:11:04.000 I could be wrong, but I think it was Alcoa who made these deals.

00:11:08.000 And who knows how they set that up with the American Dental Association.

00:11:11.000 And that's how fluoride got into our water.

00:11:13.000 And we got this kind of psyop of it's good for you.

00:11:16.000 I knew it was wrong in 2000. And there was a book that came out called Legacy of Ashes.

00:11:23.000 It was written by a guy called Tim Weiner.

00:11:26.000 It used to be New York Times.

00:11:28.000 And it was all about the CIA. And it's a great book because my uncle was in it many times.

00:11:32.000 Donald Gregg.

00:11:33.000 He's still with us.

00:11:34.000 He's 95 or 96. And he was really high up in the CIA. He was part of OSS back in the day.

00:11:41.000 And in it, it talks about how the agents would go in, fluoridate, The enemy's camp water so they could go in at night and they were docile and they could pull him out and they could kind of attack him.

00:11:53.000 And I said, Uncle Don, is this true?

00:11:55.000 He says, yeah, pretty much how I remember it.

00:11:57.000 I'm like, well, of course.

00:12:00.000 So the neurotoxin has been used in actual warfare in the water.

00:12:05.000 To make people docile.

00:12:06.000 Yeah, docile.

00:12:07.000 And the argument is so dumb because, you know, my friend Eddie Bravo had a great point.

00:12:13.000 He said...

00:12:14.000 When you get toothpaste, do you ever see toothpaste that says fluoride-free?

00:12:20.000 Why would they say that and advertise it if fluoride wasn't bad for you?

00:12:26.000 Why would they do that?

00:12:27.000 Like, why would that be a selling point?

00:12:29.000 If we've always looked for fluoride in toothpaste, my whole life.

00:12:32.000 Crest, oh, fluoride, got it.

00:12:34.000 You know, when you're going through the CVS and you're grabbing stuff and throwing it back.

00:12:37.000 It's always fluoride.

00:12:38.000 You're always looking for fluoride.

00:12:39.000 That's what kills the fucking germ.

00:12:41.000 I don't want cavities.

00:12:42.000 I don't have to go to the dentist.

00:12:43.000 Give me that fluoride.

00:12:44.000 But they're selling toothpaste without fluoride.

00:12:48.000 Why is that?

00:12:49.000 And the guy who was saying it to, like, had this look at his face, like, he was trapped.

00:12:53.000 He was trapped.

00:12:55.000 So you don't think fluoride is good for you?

00:12:57.000 It's like one of those things.

00:12:58.000 That's just what he just said.

00:12:59.000 No.

00:12:59.000 Just brush your fucking teeth.

00:13:01.000 It's really that simple.

00:13:02.000 As a kid, did you get those trays at the dentist?

00:13:05.000 Do you remember those?

00:13:06.000 What are the trays?

00:13:07.000 They'd say, we're going to do fluoride treatment on you.

00:13:10.000 Oh yeah, they did that.

00:13:11.000 And it was like, it's fruity.

00:13:13.000 You know, and this gunk will be dripping back in your throat.

00:13:16.000 You're gagging with this horrible...

00:13:18.000 It's like, that's not...

00:13:19.000 And you go to school and you get a D in English.

00:13:21.000 Because you're fucking stupid.

00:13:23.000 Pretty much the story of my life, Joe!

00:13:26.000 Yeah, it's so bad.

00:13:28.000 It's really bad for you.

00:13:30.000 And it's not necessary.

00:13:31.000 And we're being co-opted by something and someone.

00:13:34.000 And I think we looked this up on the podcast, Jamie.

00:13:36.000 Didn't it come out of...

00:13:38.000 There was some town...

00:13:39.000 In Texas, I believe, that had naturally fluoridated water, which occasionally, you know, just happens.

00:13:45.000 We have it in the hill country.

00:13:46.000 The water is definitely naturally fluoridated.

00:13:49.000 There's natural levels of different minerals, and there's different stuff.

00:13:53.000 And this one area had a fairly high natural level of fluoride, and these people had, like, great oral hygiene.

00:14:02.000 Whether or not that was a convenient study that they pointed to or a convenient case they pointed to to make the argument to get rid of all that fluoride, you know, you've got to look many layers into all this kind of stuff.

00:14:14.000 Because they've been throwing fluoride in the water for how long?

00:14:17.000 And how much money has been spent throwing fluoride in the water?

00:14:21.000 And how many people have built mansions and have fucking Mercedes-Benz that are tooling around them because they've been throwing fluoride in the water?

00:14:29.000 And that's a deep system.

00:14:31.000 To try to untangle after 50, 60 years of doing this.

00:14:34.000 It's the petrochemical industry.

00:14:36.000 That's where all our medicines come from.

00:14:38.000 I was watching the Grammys.

00:14:40.000 Why?

00:14:41.000 What's wrong with you?

00:14:42.000 I know.

00:14:42.000 Well, I usually watch for the Satan segment.

00:14:44.000 I would say, oh, there it is.

00:14:45.000 There's the Illuminati.

00:14:46.000 There's always one.

00:14:48.000 They didn't have one.

00:14:49.000 That's crazy.

00:14:50.000 Beautiful women in nice dresses and everything.

00:14:52.000 Trump is president.

00:14:53.000 They're a little nervous.

00:14:54.000 Presidents are important for the culture.

00:14:56.000 It's very important for the Satan people.

00:14:59.000 They're in trouble.

00:15:01.000 Jesus is making a comeback, man.

00:15:03.000 They're in trouble there.

00:15:04.000 You've got to hide now.

00:15:05.000 Go back into the basement of Comet Pizza.

00:15:07.000 A place that doesn't have a basement, by the way.

00:15:11.000 We're reliably informed.

00:15:13.000 And I hadn't really watched network television a lot, and there's a lot of commercial breaks, but the first 10 all had a pharmaceutical product which had never heard of, a name I can't remember, and side effects literally included death.

00:15:26.000 I'm like, what is going on with this?

00:15:29.000 Ask your doctor.

00:15:30.000 I'm like, do I have this?

00:15:31.000 Should I have this?

00:15:32.000 Do I want this?

00:15:33.000 I mean, is this going on with me?

00:15:34.000 And people are all happy in the commercials.

00:15:36.000 They're like, look, my skin looks good and I'm happy and I have a beautiful family.

00:15:40.000 It's almost like we used to sell cars.

00:15:41.000 Now they're just selling the pharmaceuticals.

00:15:43.000 Well, that will be an interesting thing if RFK Jr. gets in place.

00:15:48.000 If RFK Jr. gets in place and they stop this...

00:15:51.000 Advertising.

00:15:52.000 Advertising.

00:15:53.000 We are one of two countries on Earth that allows...

00:15:57.000 New Zealand.

00:15:57.000 Yeah, New Zealand, and New Zealand's far more restrictive than us.

00:15:59.000 We should be really restrictive about this because advertising works.

00:16:04.000 You know, and there's advertising that doesn't bother me at all.

00:16:07.000 Like, Chevrolet, Corvette.

00:16:09.000 You know, it's okay.

00:16:11.000 It's fine.

00:16:12.000 But when he can give you bloody diarrhea and suicidal ideology.

00:16:15.000 Anal leakage.

00:16:16.000 Yeah, and you're just fucked up in the head, and you're depressed, and, like, you don't know why, but now your zits are gone.

00:16:21.000 Like, hey!

00:16:22.000 Slow down!

00:16:23.000 That was not in that commercial with the lady dancing in the field with her child and the people at the picnic, and they're all smiling and laughing and having a good time together.

00:16:33.000 That That looked like fun.

00:16:35.000 Where's that part?

00:16:36.000 Well, of course, they've tried all kinds of things to stop this, and First Amendment comes up, although we have stopped tobacco advertisements, and there's all kinds of things that have been done throughout the years.

00:16:49.000 But what happened with television is all the money, I mean, really, 60, 70, maybe 80% of all the advertising income is from pharmaceutical companies.

00:17:00.000 That's why there's also no reporting.

00:17:02.000 Like, we're not going to bite the hand that feeds us.

00:17:04.000 That's the real problem.

00:17:05.000 That's it.

00:17:06.000 That's the real problem.

00:17:07.000 The real problem is that these news organizations are not independent.

00:17:10.000 Not just news.

00:17:11.000 Not just news.

00:17:11.000 Everything.

00:17:12.000 Right.

00:17:12.000 Everything.

00:17:12.000 They're not independent.

00:17:13.000 Like, even television shows.

00:17:15.000 Like, could you imagine if, let's say, a network has a...

00:17:18.000 Prominent news organization and that news organization is very popular and it's a big part of their ratings and it's a reliable source of information for you know People that believe them.

00:17:31.000 And they're sponsored by pharmaceutical drug companies, but then they also have a crime show on.

00:17:38.000 And this crime show wants to do a thing about an evil guy who promotes a vaccine that winds up killing a bunch of people, and they hide the data, and then they arrest him at the end of the show.

00:17:48.000 Like, no fucking way.

00:17:49.000 That's not getting made.

00:17:50.000 No green light for you.

00:17:52.000 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no.

00:17:55.000 You've got to turn that guy into a meth dealer.

00:17:57.000 That's a meth dealer now.

00:17:58.000 Let's just do a couple.

00:17:59.000 Simple rewrites.

00:18:00.000 Simple rewrites of the script.

00:18:01.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:18:02.000 Yeah, this is a bad guy from Guatemala.

00:18:08.000 He's definitely not from here.

00:18:09.000 He's definitely not from Moderna.

00:18:11.000 And they definitely aren't working in conjunction with the government to develop this thing, and the government's profiting off of it.

00:18:16.000 That's not real.

00:18:18.000 I mean, I say that we're in the season of reveal.

00:18:21.000 I've been saying this for about a year now, and it's really happening real quick with what we're uncovering and starting to understand.

00:18:28.000 I haven't seen your talk with Mike Benz.

00:18:30.000 Mike Benz dropped some fucking seeds yesterday.

00:18:32.000 If we're in the season of flowers, he's blooming today.

00:18:37.000 He was so nervous yesterday.

00:18:38.000 Jamie was talking about it before.

00:18:40.000 He was making all these tweets like they were going to kill him.

00:18:42.000 Probably, yeah.

00:18:43.000 It's probably been discussed.

00:18:45.000 Well, I think it's way too far beyond.

00:18:48.000 And I think, you know, I look at Leave It to Beaver, I call her, who's the new press secretary.

00:18:53.000 She's 27 years old.

00:18:55.000 Oh, yeah.

00:18:55.000 She's good, though.

00:18:56.000 She's fantastic.

00:18:57.000 She's younger than my daughter.

00:18:59.000 I don't think you should say Leave It to Beaver.

00:19:01.000 I'm sorry.

00:19:02.000 I'm sorry.

00:19:03.000 That's how I remember her last name.

00:19:05.000 All right.

00:19:05.000 Caroline Leave It.

00:19:06.000 I think it's Leave It.

00:19:07.000 Thanks, Joe.

00:19:09.000 Thanks.

00:19:09.000 Thank you.

00:19:12.000 Because we're old enough to remember when beaver was a vagina.

00:19:15.000 Most kids are like, I don't even know what the fuck they're talking about.

00:19:17.000 Leave it to beaver?

00:19:18.000 What are they talking about?

00:19:19.000 What a dumb name for a vagina.

00:19:20.000 A beaver.

00:19:22.000 Because dudes didn't really have any derogatory names for dicks.

00:19:24.000 It's just dick is the worst one.

00:19:26.000 Like, oh, your dick.

00:19:26.000 Put your dick away, you fucking weirdo.

00:19:28.000 You know what I mean?

00:19:29.000 It was like this.

00:19:30.000 But beaver.

00:19:31.000 Well, we only had pecker.

00:19:32.000 Yeah, but Pecker's kind of cute.

00:19:35.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:19:35.000 Oh, it's just a Pecker.

00:19:37.000 There's no real bad names for Dick other than Dick.

00:19:40.000 But she comes out, and she does this whole list of USAID, which is very little money.

00:19:46.000 And I think...

00:19:47.000 Our president is very smart.

00:19:49.000 He's showing us things that enables people like Mike Benz and you and I to have these conversations about...

00:19:55.000 Because it's not ideological that USAID, which is not USAID, this is like one of these psyops right up top, like Federal Express is not owned by the government.

00:20:06.000 Federal Reserve is not owned by the government.

00:20:08.000 USAID is the Agency for International Development, not aid.

00:20:12.000 And we see on television, there goes another pallet onto the C-130.

00:20:17.000 U.S. aid from the American people.

00:20:19.000 Oh, we're being nice.

00:20:20.000 Yeah, we're being nice to people.

00:20:21.000 We should be nice.

00:20:22.000 We're the nice people of the world.

00:20:23.000 But what these, and I'm sure Mike talked about this, you know, like LGBTQ, these dance parties and things, if you look at these countries, these are countries where we want to keep them away from Russia, overthrow the incumbents, and the way to garner support is to...

00:20:42.000 And I really love how they added the cue.

00:20:44.000 That just became so clear to me all of a sudden.

00:20:46.000 If you sponsor LGBTQ, these are outcasts.

00:20:49.000 These are people who feel that they've been marginalized.

00:20:52.000 Then you add a cue like, wait a minute.

00:20:54.000 I can be queer.

00:20:55.000 I'm different.

00:20:56.000 I'm odd.

00:20:57.000 You bring more people in.

00:20:58.000 Then you can bring the anarchists in.

00:20:59.000 You can get A. They have the A's in now.

00:21:01.000 Oh yeah, the A's, the I's.

00:21:02.000 Which is so crazy.

00:21:03.000 Everything.

00:21:04.000 But the A's don't even have a dog in the fight.

00:21:05.000 But that's the point.

00:21:06.000 You want them to come to the party.

00:21:08.000 Come to the party.

00:21:09.000 You're allowed to the party.

00:21:10.000 That's why it's so long now.

00:21:11.000 And I saw this AFD in Germany.

00:21:14.000 This is the extreme right party.

00:21:16.000 And they wanted to slow or remove immigration.

00:21:21.000 And so now there was a protest.

00:21:24.000 Against the AFD. They're getting ready to vote now.

00:21:28.000 And there's 100,000 people there.

00:21:30.000 I'm like, wow.

00:21:31.000 I thought, because I know people in Germany.

00:21:33.000 I have friends in Germany.

00:21:34.000 They really are sick and tired of this immigration stuff.

00:21:37.000 So where are these people coming from?

00:21:39.000 And in the news report, right up front, there's a dude in a blonde wig with eye shadow saying, we just want to get along.

00:21:46.000 Can't we just be diverse?

00:21:48.000 I'm like, that's the PSYOP. He's talking about himself.

00:21:52.000 So he wants to feel included, which, by the way, in America, you can do whatever you want, call yourself whatever you want.

00:21:58.000 People really don't have an issue with that.

00:22:00.000 But they've just taken this and abused these people into their political agendas all over the world.

00:22:08.000 And, of course, it sparked something here in the States.

00:22:11.000 If you look at the Democrat Party, they're going to die on this hill.

00:22:15.000 They're still like, oh, no, LGBTQ, they're taking away our rights because they know they can mobilize people.

00:22:22.000 To do that.

00:22:22.000 And then you can throw in Palestine and all kinds of people will join this group.

00:22:25.000 Did you see the city council thing in Worcester, Massachusetts yesterday that's gone viral today?

00:22:30.000 I don't know which one is that.

00:22:31.000 Jamie, did you see it?

00:22:33.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, pull this bitch up.

00:22:36.000 There's a compilation of these people, like, absolutely freaking out.

00:22:41.000 The best one's the compilation, if you can find the compilation.

00:22:44.000 But it's all these LBGT people show up at this city council meeting to say there's, like, a transgenocide.

00:22:51.000 It's one of those dudes.

00:22:52.000 We're going to round up in concentration camps.

00:22:54.000 Yeah, five minutes long.

00:22:55.000 Yeah, just start from the beginning.

00:22:57.000 Can you wrap up, please?

00:22:59.000 Yes, I can.

00:23:01.000 If you say...

00:23:02.000 That you're afraid of Trump and that's why you don't want the city to be a safe space for trans people.

00:23:08.000 You better prepare for trans people to make this a very unsafe space.

00:23:14.000 I'm shaking right now.

00:23:15.000 I don't want to be here.

00:23:19.000 I'm sorry.

00:23:20.000 Am I taking too long pleading for my life?

00:23:22.000 You remembered how many children I have and that two of them are trans.

00:23:27.000 There it is.

00:23:28.000 Yeah.

00:23:28.000 I speak as both the B and the T in the LGBT.

00:23:33.000 He's both.

00:23:34.000 I'm multiply disabled.

00:23:35.000 I have Ehlers-Danlos syndrome, which is a connective tissue disorder that causes me immense physical pain.

00:23:42.000 I'm on the autism spectrum.

00:23:45.000 And I have narcolepsy.

00:23:46.000 And I couldn't drive myself here.

00:23:48.000 So I had to hide from my driver that I was in drag, which is not an easy thing to do in drag.

00:23:55.000 I do not want to be here.

00:23:57.000 It's my day off.

00:23:58.000 I do not want to be in your DMs.

00:24:01.000 I do not want to be in your email inboxes.

00:24:03.000 I do not want my creativity writing diss tracks like Kendrick.

00:24:07.000 I don't want to spend an hour applying glitter on my face so that you will hear and see me.

00:24:15.000 What?

00:24:20.000 No, that's enough.

00:24:22.000 You made me put glitter on my face, you piece of shit.

00:24:25.000 Because everyone knows when you go to court, you have to have glitter on your face.

00:24:27.000 These people need hugs.

00:24:29.000 They need love.

00:24:30.000 I pray for them.

00:24:31.000 The biggest way to...

00:24:34.000 Psychologically manipulate people is, or there's three ways, old people, puppies, and children.

00:24:40.000 And I followed this.

00:24:41.000 It started around 2012, not coincidental, when, you know about Smith-Month, the Smith-Month Act?

00:24:47.000 So that's, you know, it was a law that was put in since the Church Commission, you can't propagandize the American people.

00:24:53.000 Defense Department and others went to the government and said, well, you know, like, we're on the Internet now, we might accidentally, you know, push some propaganda on people.

00:25:02.000 It started with...

00:25:04.000 I know, because John Dvorak and I, we followed it on no agenda.

00:25:07.000 Started with bullying, then it was, we needed anti-bullying laws, and we're literally going, like, what happened to sticks and stones will break my bones, or punch the bully in his nose?

00:25:16.000 No, no, no.

00:25:17.000 Then the teachers, and then we got hate speech laws, not actually laws, but, you know, hate speech punishments, and this kept building up until you...

00:25:27.000 Guaranteed parents through the American Medical Association, the Pediatric Society, all of these different trade groups, that if you don't transition your child, that child will commit suicide.

00:25:40.000 And that is a horrible thing that they've done.

00:25:44.000 Think about these parents who may or may not one day wake up and go, what have I done?

00:25:50.000 What have I done?

00:25:51.000 Well, someone was talking about this the other day, that this is the real problem, is that so many parents have committed to doing this to their children, and they cannot face the reality of what they've done, and so they're going to dig their heels in forever, and they're going to talk about gender-affirming care.

00:26:08.000 But the thing is, that's a small percentage of people.

00:26:13.000 Thank God.

00:26:14.000 But they're overrepresented in the fact that they make it their whole life.

00:26:18.000 And so they're very loud and very vocal.

00:26:20.000 And then they become a political beach ball.

00:26:22.000 I heard you talk about that with Bridget.

00:26:25.000 That's what it is.

00:26:26.000 Totally.

00:26:26.000 The political beach balls at a concert.

00:26:28.000 They chuck them up in the air so we always have something to fight about.

00:26:30.000 So we're not paying attention to the USAID stuff or a lot of the stuff that's really important.

00:26:36.000 And this is just a part of this inter...

00:26:41.000 Tangled web of psyops that's been running our culture.

00:26:47.000 I mean, I would say our government, but it's everything, right?

00:26:50.000 So it's the government has established its hooks in us and put fear and law and rules.

00:26:57.000 And the more law and the more rules, the better, because the more likely you're going to break a few of them, and then you're going to shut the fuck up.

00:27:02.000 And they've got these fucking things everywhere.

00:27:06.000 It's just allowing them to run this mafia business.

00:27:11.000 And there's a bunch of people that are reasonable, educated people that have Stockholm Syndrome.

00:27:16.000 They don't want to admit that even their people, their cherished heroes like Obama, was a part of this.

00:27:25.000 All these people that you think of as progressive Democrats, they were all a part of it.

00:27:30.000 And fortunately today, we have the convenient...

00:27:35.000 Access to YouTube instantaneously, where you could watch Obama in 2003 say some very MAGA things.

00:27:43.000 Or you could watch Hillary Clinton go more MAGA than MAGA. About deportations.

00:27:49.000 Yes!

00:27:50.000 And that if you stay, you have to pay a stiff fine.

00:27:54.000 I mean, the whole thing is, it's cyclical, right?

00:27:58.000 Like, this is why the left is now supporting war and censorship.

00:28:02.000 It's not real.

00:28:03.000 It's not that there's a good group of kind, compassionate, educated people and a bunch of fucking buffoons who are racists who want to bring that back to Confederate flag.

00:28:12.000 That's not what's going on.

00:28:14.000 There's people that are nice, kind people that also understand the value of hard work and reality and...

00:28:22.000 Kindness and also sternness and rule of law and you can't just let violent criminals out in the street and hey, maybe you should do some actual rehabilitation with the fucking billions of dollars you make in the prison industrial complex when there's no rehabilitation, like no real concerted efforts to completely change these people and studies.

00:28:42.000 It's a mess.

00:28:44.000 It can be done.

00:28:45.000 It can be done.

00:28:46.000 And it probably could be done with psychedelic drugs.

00:28:50.000 They probably can do some things with people.

00:28:53.000 Especially non-violent criminals that are trying to figure out, like, why have I been stealing from people my whole life?

00:28:58.000 Like, what the fuck is wrong with me?

00:29:01.000 Unless they're a legitimate psychopath, they have no empathy.

00:29:04.000 There's people that can be kind of woken up to why they're in this horrific pattern of continual abuse in their life.

00:29:12.000 And there's ways to...

00:29:13.000 Rick Perry has been really brave in this case because he's a former Republican governor of Texas and now he's advocating for Ibogaine therapy, particularly for veterans, for guys who come over, they've seen the most horrific shit, their brain is in a shambles and they want to do something and they have no help in these...

00:29:37.000 Pills that just dull their mind and make them feel detached from reality and all these fucking antidepressants and things they give them.

00:29:45.000 And they want to fucking end their life.

00:29:47.000 And they can go and get therapy that cures 80% of them with one dose and it's like 95% with two doses.

00:29:57.000 It's fucking nuts, man.

00:29:59.000 And we've been hiding this because...

00:30:02.000 Because of the sweeping Schedule I Drug Act of 1970 that was put in place directly by Nixon to go after his political opponents.

00:30:12.000 It was directly put in place to demonize the anti-war movement and demonize the Civil Rights Party and the Black Panthers and anybody who was a problem with the government.

00:30:23.000 So they just said, let's just make all these things that these people are taking on a regular basis completely illegal.

00:30:29.000 Not only just Schedule I. Like, with no medical use whatsoever.

00:30:34.000 Things that people have been using for thousands and thousands of years.

00:30:37.000 And it's all the same shit.

00:30:38.000 It's all psyops.

00:30:40.000 It's all psyops.

00:30:41.000 Have you ever heard of the audience effect?

00:30:43.000 It is a psychological theory that our behavior changes when we know we're being watched.

00:30:48.000 And here's the thing.

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00:32:07.000 Well, the number one thing that happened around that time, of course, during Kennedy, is we realized that television was a big force.

00:32:15.000 Television and radio.

00:32:16.000 Oh yeah, they got that handsome guy.

00:32:19.000 And if you listen to some of the debates, it would sound on the radio like Nixon did better.

00:32:26.000 I mean, it's amazing.

00:32:29.000 How this worked between radio and television, but then newspapers, we know the intelligence agencies were all writing stories.

00:32:36.000 I mean, you look at CNN, you still see ex-CIA guy shows up.

00:32:41.000 A little story.

00:32:42.000 When I saw you sitting at the inauguration, and I think I texted you, I'm like, dude, I can't believe it.

00:32:48.000 I see you sitting there.

00:32:49.000 You're texting me American flag emojis and stuff like that.

00:32:51.000 And you and Trump, I'm like, oh, look at him.

00:32:54.000 He's in a tuxedo.

00:32:55.000 And I thought...

00:32:59.000 So, in 1983, I was still a teenager, and I grew up in Amsterdam, socialist country.

00:33:08.000 The airwaves were controlled by the government.

00:33:11.000 It was horrible.

00:33:12.000 It was almost like Russia.

00:33:13.000 Your phone was a gray phone, and that was your phone.

00:33:15.000 You couldn't get a different phone.

00:33:16.000 It was illegal to unplug it from the wall.

00:33:19.000 And I was doing pirate radio at a place called Radio Decibel in Amsterdam, and we were playing...

00:33:25.000 You were Christian Slater.

00:33:27.000 In a way.

00:33:28.000 Do you remember that movie?

00:33:29.000 Oh, yeah.

00:33:30.000 What was that movie called?

00:33:33.000 I don't know.

00:33:33.000 Maybe it was called Pirate Radio?

00:33:35.000 It was crazy.

00:33:35.000 They were trying to arrest him.

00:33:36.000 Remember?

00:33:37.000 Well, so we all got arrested several times.

00:33:39.000 And we were playing 12-inch imports from your Chicago warehouse.

00:33:43.000 You got arrested several times?

00:33:44.000 Oh, yeah.

00:33:44.000 Oh, they would always come and arrest us.

00:33:47.000 How'd they find you?

00:33:47.000 We literally had the station name on the door.

00:33:51.000 People would come around.

00:33:52.000 We'd be smoking weed or hanging out.

00:33:55.000 We weren't making any money.

00:33:56.000 We were basically paying to do it.

00:33:58.000 We had this huge antenna on the roof.

00:34:00.000 Did this ever come up when you got hired by MTV? Did they get nervous about that?

00:34:03.000 Did they have to do a background check?

00:34:05.000 This guy's got a record.

00:34:07.000 Remind me to tell you my USAID story in a minute.

00:34:11.000 This is 1983. First, I was a gawky, awkward kid.

00:34:16.000 I got tics.

00:34:17.000 I got the wrong hair.

00:34:18.000 I got the wrong moped.

00:34:19.000 Everything's wrong.

00:34:20.000 But on the radio, people are like, wow!

00:34:23.000 And I was doing it in English.

00:34:24.000 You can do that in Amsterdam.

00:34:25.000 People are like, wow, it's so cool you got that black guy on your station.

00:34:29.000 I'm like, I'm black?

00:34:29.000 Oh, cool.

00:34:30.000 So I was John Holden, the 23-year-old black guy who drives a Harley.

00:34:34.000 But the point was, it was liberating.

00:34:36.000 I could speak my mind, and everything felt so stifling.

00:34:39.000 Now we go forward, 1993. And I'm on MTV. I'm the hair of Generation X. I'm on Z100 in New York, number one station.

00:34:49.000 And I'm also on the internet.

00:34:51.000 You know, I'd set up MTV.com.

00:34:53.000 It was very, very slim.

00:34:54.000 We had dial-up modems at the time.

00:34:56.000 And it was so restrictive.

00:34:58.000 You can't...

00:34:59.000 They let me do my own material, but they had censorship called a line producer.

00:35:04.000 Like, oh, now we've got to burn that segment.

00:35:05.000 You said something bad about Richard Marks.

00:35:07.000 Oh, you said something that was off-color about Madonna.

00:35:10.000 Oh, we can't do that.

00:35:11.000 The radio was the same.

00:35:13.000 It was, you know, like, read the liner card, you know, and then always end with Z100. There was a guy at Sun Microsystems in San Francisco, and he said, Adam, I see what you're doing with MTV.com on the web.

00:35:25.000 That's cool.

00:35:25.000 I'm going to send you a computer.

00:35:26.000 So he sends me this big SunSpark workstation.

00:35:30.000 What year?

00:35:31.000 93. So this is pre-Windows 95. So this is...

00:35:34.000 Yeah, it's pre-Windows.

00:35:35.000 Yeah, go ahead.

00:35:35.000 Windows, what is it, 3.8 or something like that?

00:35:37.000 Well, this was Solaris OS. It's Unix, basically.

00:35:40.000 So it wasn't Windows back then, right?

00:35:42.000 Like, what came before Windows?

00:35:44.000 I had a Mac.

00:35:45.000 No, I had an early Apple II. 3.1, that's what it was.

00:35:48.000 Yeah, 3.1 and an Apple II. I was more Apple guy at the time.

00:35:53.000 And so I hooked it up to my 56k mode.

00:35:55.000 I dial in and he says, watch this.

00:35:58.000 And I'm on the phone with him.

00:36:00.000 He says, watch this.

00:36:01.000 And up on my screen pops a little player.

00:36:04.000 And he's streaming in PC. We didn't have MP3s back then.

00:36:08.000 PCM, pulse code modulation.

00:36:10.000 Nine inch nails.

00:36:11.000 I'm like...

00:36:12.000 This is broadcasting.

00:36:14.000 I'm going to figure out how we use this thing for broadcasting, because think about how we can use this outside of all the systems.

00:36:21.000 And so 2003, now we're 10 years later, I've been very involved with RSS feeds and blogs, and I see my first iPod, and it's like, snap, crackle, pop.

00:36:32.000 Hold on a second.

00:36:34.000 This is amazing.

00:36:35.000 We can combine.

00:36:35.000 This is a radio.

00:36:37.000 This is not a music device.

00:36:39.000 It's radio.

00:36:40.000 So I cobbled together this program that basically takes this RSS feed and then puts a program on.

00:36:47.000 So the show was an album and then each track was an episode number.

00:36:51.000 And then I immediately started doing a show.

00:36:54.000 What I do is just try to get people involved.

00:36:56.000 That's how Daily Source Code started because I was trying to get software developers in.

00:37:00.000 And then two years later, three years later, Steve Jobs is having a private conversation with me about putting this into the iPod and making it official, making a podcasting thing in iTunes.

00:37:13.000 And I'm like, this is so perfect because now you have this RSS feed which you control.

00:37:18.000 No one else can control what you do with your RSS feed and anybody can slurp that up and subscribe to your radio show.

00:37:25.000 And then 20 years later, I see the...

00:37:29.000 The President of the United States wrapping up his campaign with Joe Rogan on a podcast, completely being himself, being a dude for, by the way, props for you sticking to your guns.

00:37:41.000 I love that you did that.

00:37:42.000 Now it's got to be here.

00:37:43.000 No restrictions on time.

00:37:45.000 Well, he didn't impose any.

00:37:47.000 He was more than willing to do it exactly how I do it.

00:37:50.000 He understands it.

00:37:51.000 But at that moment, then I see you sitting there.

00:37:54.000 I'm like, we just broke the elite messaging machine.

00:37:58.000 Phase one complete.

00:37:59.000 All because of you, dawg.

00:38:00.000 No, no, you dawg.

00:38:01.000 You dawg, man.

00:38:03.000 Oh, glory to God.

00:38:04.000 I think I was just used.

00:38:06.000 I always give you your props.

00:38:07.000 I think you were the first.

00:38:08.000 I was just a vessel.

00:38:09.000 It makes sense to me now.

00:38:11.000 Well, I'm just a vessel, too.

00:38:12.000 I think that's the case with all of it.

00:38:14.000 Absolutely.

00:38:15.000 I say that to the guys at my comedy club.

00:38:17.000 They're always so thankful that I built this comedy club.

00:38:20.000 I'm like, I think this thing built itself.

00:38:23.000 I think it was just, I was a thing that it did through me.

00:38:26.000 It caught me because it knew that I was capable of doing it and impulsive enough and brash enough to say, fuck it, let's just dump a bunch of money in this spot and see what happens.

00:38:38.000 You were given gifts.

00:38:39.000 I was given gifts.

00:38:39.000 And you stuck with your gifts.

00:38:41.000 And I know you're a very generous guy.

00:38:43.000 I know you help a lot of people with, not monetary necessarily, but just helping them, getting them on their feet.

00:38:50.000 You know, Parker, I'm like, can I bring this kid?

00:38:52.000 He's a big fan.

00:38:53.000 You're like, absolutely, bring him in.

00:38:54.000 You're a gracious guy.

00:38:56.000 And so when you get whatever word it is to build a comedy club, you did.

00:39:01.000 I think you have to do that.

00:39:02.000 I think the universe is testing you.

00:39:05.000 And if you pay attention to yourself, you'll feel like, what's the right thing to do?

00:39:09.000 Like, what's the thing?

00:39:10.000 What is the greedy, impulsive thing to do?

00:39:13.000 What is, like, the miserly thing to do?

00:39:14.000 Save it all!

00:39:15.000 It's my money!

00:39:16.000 Save it all!

00:39:17.000 You know, that's the...

00:39:18.000 That usually doesn't end well for those people.

00:39:21.000 No, it's just, it's bad for you, too.

00:39:23.000 Because it's...

00:39:24.000 I always talk about...

00:39:27.000 And I really try to put this in young comics' minds.

00:39:30.000 There's an impulse that you will have when someone's doing better than you, and you'll be angry at them.

00:39:35.000 It is a bitter, pathetic, jealous, normal instinct that people have.

00:39:41.000 It's the enemy.

00:39:41.000 The enemy talking to you.

00:39:43.000 It's just you have to recognize what that is.

00:39:45.000 What that is, is you have a desire to be doing the same thing.

00:39:49.000 This person is doing this thing.

00:39:51.000 They are in the movie.

00:39:52.000 They are on the TV show.

00:39:54.000 They are headlining at the club and you feel bad because it's not you.

00:39:58.000 So you decide that they are bad.

00:40:01.000 And so you start looking at them as a source of negativity towards you and you don't do all the logical objective reasoning that allows you to go, "Oh, no, no, no, no, they didn't do anything wrong.

00:40:11.000 It's just me." And then those people who get really super big and famous oftentimes get very defensive and very elitist because they do understand that people are mad at them now.

00:40:20.000 So then they're like, fuck those people.

00:40:22.000 Those people are fucking losers.

00:40:23.000 And it's bad for everybody.

00:40:25.000 It's bad for everybody.

00:40:27.000 The correct way to do it is to go, wow, look at what this person has accomplished.

00:40:32.000 That's fucking amazing.

00:40:33.000 That's inspiring.

00:40:34.000 I want to do something like that with my life.

00:40:37.000 Which is what America used to be.

00:40:40.000 I think it still is.

00:40:41.000 I think it is.

00:40:42.000 It's been covered up.

00:40:44.000 It's been papered over by media, basically.

00:40:47.000 That's why I'm so happy that we've broken through that elite messaging system.

00:40:51.000 The way I was raised is in America, you can look at the guy with the Rolls Royce or the Cadillac or whatever and go, I want that, and you can be that.

00:41:01.000 And we've kind of devolved into a, you know, it's international now, into a victim mentality.

00:41:08.000 There's good and evil.

00:41:09.000 Well, it's just a ploy.

00:41:11.000 It's, again, the same thing as Florida in the water.

00:41:13.000 It's a fucking psyop.

00:41:14.000 It's a ploy.

00:41:15.000 And it's a way to keep us, instead of empowering people, to recognize that all these people that are successful are inspiration.

00:41:25.000 That's what they are.

00:41:26.000 They're fuel for you.

00:41:27.000 You can use them.

00:41:28.000 Whatever that person is singing at the Grammys, when Kendrick Lamar is doing the halftime show, when someone wins a fight, that's supposed to be inspiration.

00:41:36.000 That's a fuel.

00:41:38.000 And you can use it correctly.

00:41:40.000 Or you can fuck your whole life up by paying attention to other people and comparing yourself in a negative way.

00:41:47.000 This is part of the problem with kids.

00:41:49.000 And social media.

00:41:50.000 Because kids are supposed to see, like, oh, look at Bobby.

00:41:55.000 He's nice to everybody, and everybody likes Bobby.

00:41:58.000 Be like Bobby.

00:41:59.000 Like, look at Mark.

00:42:00.000 He's fucking awesome at the guitar, and everybody wants to go see him play.

00:42:03.000 I want someone to come see me do something.

00:42:07.000 I wish I was good at something, as Mark is at guitar.

00:42:09.000 And that's what's supposed to, like, raise us all up.

00:42:13.000 But instead, we see a thousand followers and likes on someone blasting somebody.

00:42:19.000 Funny way in a video, this is a big part of the problem.

00:42:22.000 But sometimes funny way blasting is important, too, because that's my line of work.

00:42:27.000 You've got to talk shit.

00:42:28.000 Talking shit is important.

00:42:29.000 You are a professional, Joe.

00:42:30.000 You're a professional.

00:42:31.000 Yeah, but how do you become a professional?

00:42:33.000 You start off as an amateur.

00:42:34.000 You start off talking shit.

00:42:35.000 We can't all be a comedian or a comic.

00:42:37.000 We just can't.

00:42:38.000 I think a lot more can than you think.

00:42:40.000 There's a lot of people out there that have the inclination that just don't get that spark, which is also one of the things we're trying to do at the club, which is also why we have...

00:42:48.000 We have two nights of open mic nights.

00:42:49.000 Oh, that's cool.

00:42:50.000 Yeah, we want to make it accessible.

00:42:52.000 We want to make, this is like a place where there's a real path.

00:42:56.000 You can work on your act, and you're going to see guys like, on a daily basis, guys like Ron White and Shane Gillis.

00:43:02.000 Right.

00:43:03.000 You know, there's people coming in and out of town that are doing my podcast.

00:43:06.000 They're like the best of the best in the world.

00:43:07.000 Yeah.

00:43:08.000 And they're coming to the club.

00:43:08.000 Oh, this is the center of the universe now for comedy.

00:43:11.000 It is.

00:43:12.000 It's amazing.

00:43:13.000 It really is.

00:43:13.000 And again, I think this place, I think it built itself.

00:43:16.000 I think.

00:43:17.000 I just had to do it.

00:43:19.000 I was like...

00:43:19.000 I just gotta tell you, no, no, no.

00:43:21.000 God loves you, Joe.

00:43:22.000 He is at work in you.

00:43:24.000 He's all over you and has been that way for a long, long time.

00:43:27.000 There's no doubt in my mind.

00:43:29.000 Well, whatever it is, I'm listening.

00:43:30.000 You'll accept it.

00:43:31.000 I accept it and I listen.

00:43:32.000 And I go with it.

00:43:34.000 But I think it all...

00:43:35.000 Too many things had to happen.

00:43:37.000 If you want to believe in fate, if you really want to believe in fate, I should believe in fate.

00:43:41.000 Because especially with this move here, too many things had to happen in line.

00:43:46.000 It had to be the pandemic, and it had to be me with young kids who just was very uncomfortable with the direction that LA was going.

00:43:54.000 And then it had to be the George Floyd riots and the lockdowns.

00:43:57.000 And then I had to come to Texas and go, oh, there's other ways that people live.

00:44:02.000 And I had known you for a long time, and you lived here, and you spoke very highly.

00:44:06.000 And then my good friend Gary, Gary Clark Jr., he came here.

00:44:12.000 Like, before the pandemic, and I remember talking to him on the phone, I'm like, why did you move back to Texas?

00:44:17.000 He's like, man, I just cannot fuck with those people in LA. And Gary's like the realest dude I know.

00:44:22.000 It's like one of the realest.

00:44:24.000 Like, he doesn't give a fuck about fame, about...

00:44:27.000 That guy cares about playing that fucking guitar and playing songs as good as he can.

00:44:31.000 And that guy just locks himself up in a studio.

00:44:34.000 He's got a studio at his house.

00:44:35.000 Yeah, that's what you want.

00:44:36.000 He locks himself up in there for 12 hours a day, and it's just...

00:44:39.000 That guy only gives a fuck.

00:44:41.000 Fuck about the art.

00:44:42.000 Like, he's about the craft.

00:44:43.000 And, like, so all the bullshit that came along with living in Hollywood, like, he would just come hanging out at the comedy store all the time.

00:44:49.000 That was just, because it was like, oh, you guys are real.

00:44:52.000 Like, I can hang with you.

00:44:53.000 We'd just be cracking up and hanging.

00:44:54.000 So when he came out here, I was like, fuck.

00:44:56.000 And then Ron White came out here.

00:44:57.000 I'm like, goddammit.

00:44:59.000 And then, you know, it's like, oh, I fucking love it.

00:45:01.000 It's fucking airports, a breeze.

00:45:03.000 No traffic.

00:45:05.000 Everyone's nice.

00:45:05.000 It's the middle of the country.

00:45:07.000 I was like, fuck.

00:45:08.000 And then the pandemic happened, and it was like it all pulled me to the spot.

00:45:12.000 And then it had to be the Spotify thing, and then it had to be the comedy store shutting down for a year, and then it had to be all the comedy store employees that I loved were all unemployed.

00:45:22.000 And so then it was like, okay, let's fucking do this.

00:45:25.000 Exactly what I'm seeing.

00:45:26.000 I'm seeing that with everybody.

00:45:27.000 That's why it started in 1983. I'm like, I see where the path was.

00:45:30.000 I've always been doing this stuff.

00:45:33.000 And that's the thing about podcasting to me, too.

00:45:35.000 It was oddly compelling.

00:45:38.000 Like it didn't make any sense.

00:45:40.000 I was making no money and I was busy.

00:45:42.000 It was costing you money probably on bandwidth and stuff.

00:45:44.000 It was definitely costing you money and I had young kids and it was just like why am I why am I spending my time doing this when I should be spending my time maybe doing something to make more money because especially back then It was like I wasn't doing Fear Factor anymore So I wasn't really making the kind of money that I was making when I was on television So I had a tour a lot so I was doing stand-up and I was doing like way too many dates with the UFC the UFC Although I love it to death.

00:46:09.000 I mean, that's the only job job I still have.

00:46:12.000 I still work for somebody.

00:46:13.000 But it's because I've been there for so long.

00:46:15.000 But it was like 22 dates a year.

00:46:17.000 Do they send you a W-9?

00:46:19.000 I think I'm an independent contractor.

00:46:21.000 What's a W-9?

00:46:22.000 How does that work?

00:46:23.000 I have accountants.

00:46:24.000 I was just messing with you.

00:46:26.000 I'm like Joe Walsh.

00:46:26.000 I have accountants.

00:46:27.000 Pay for it all.

00:46:28.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:46:28.000 I got a Maserati.

00:46:30.000 Yeah.

00:46:31.000 185. 185. I lost my license.

00:46:33.000 Now I can't drive.

00:46:34.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:46:34.000 I have a limo.

00:46:35.000 Ride in the back.

00:46:36.000 Lock all the doors in case I'm attacked.

00:46:38.000 Yeah.

00:46:38.000 Great song.

00:46:39.000 Life's been good to me so far.

00:46:40.000 So far.

00:46:41.000 That's right.

00:46:41.000 It's a great song.

00:46:42.000 I use that song all the time.

00:46:43.000 Everybody's so different.

00:46:44.000 I haven't changed.

00:46:44.000 You know, he's a ham radio guy, Joe Walsh.

00:46:46.000 Is he really?

00:46:47.000 He takes his rig out on the...

00:46:48.000 He doesn't go on the road that much anymore.

00:46:50.000 When he's out on the road...

00:46:50.000 He has this huge ham radio rig, and that's like, I've been a ham for a long time, and that's like if you have a, we call it a QSL. QSO. That's ham code for a conversation.

00:47:03.000 Oh, okay.

00:47:03.000 With Joe Walsh.

00:47:04.000 Oh, man.

00:47:05.000 There he is.

00:47:05.000 Look at that.

00:47:06.000 Joe Walsh is the fucking man, dude.

00:47:09.000 He's awesome.

00:47:09.000 Life in the fast lane.

00:47:10.000 That dude changed the eagles.

00:47:11.000 The eagles on the way to killing your testosterone and making women cry all day.

00:47:16.000 And then all of a sudden, Joe Walsh comes along.

00:47:18.000 And now you've got life in the fast lane.

00:47:20.000 Give me that riff.

00:47:22.000 Give me the beginning of life in the fast lane.

00:47:25.000 Joe Walsh.

00:47:25.000 It was wild.

00:47:28.000 Rock and roll guitar attached to this beautiful voice and lyrics and songs and songwriting.

00:47:36.000 Give me this, Jamie.

00:47:38.000 Give it to me.

00:47:38.000 See how accurate it was.

00:47:41.000 But there was a, you know, guitar, like I was talking about Gary.

00:47:47.000 Close, close.

00:47:51.000 Bam!

00:47:52.000 That's all we can do?

00:47:53.000 We get in trouble.

00:47:55.000 Is that already going to get us in trouble?

00:47:57.000 Probably.

00:47:59.000 Because here we have all these podcasts.

00:48:01.000 There's four and a half million podcasts.

00:48:03.000 Really only 400,000 update regularly.

00:48:06.000 So it's not even that much.

00:48:07.000 That's global.

00:48:11.000 Oh, how dare you?

00:48:14.000 You're teasing me.

00:48:15.000 We can't play music in podcasts because of all these different And so, you know, if you perform something on the radio or in a live stream, that's a performance right, which, you know, the club plays for that, too, if you're playing any music.

00:48:31.000 So that's ASCAP BMI. Then you have the publishing right.

00:48:37.000 Now, because you download a podcast, well, all of a sudden now you've made a copy of it.

00:48:41.000 So that's another group over here.

00:48:42.000 So you have the publishers, then the record companies.

00:48:45.000 And they just could never agree, and they've locked themselves in so tight.

00:48:49.000 That the biggest opportunity for music would be to play it on podcasts.

00:48:54.000 They've painted themselves into a corner, and we all know now that most artists, you get 10,000 streams on Spotify, and you get a penny after a couple of years.

00:49:08.000 You see what Snoop Dogg, when he was going over this?

00:49:11.000 Oh, it's horrendous.

00:49:12.000 I'm sure it's horrendous.

00:49:13.000 He got a thousand bucks.

00:49:15.000 Billions of streams, and he got a check for 45 grand.

00:49:18.000 And Taylor Swift gets all the rest of the money.

00:49:20.000 I mean, it's very odd.

00:49:21.000 Isn't that because Taylor Swift owns her music?

00:49:23.000 Isn't that the whole deal?

00:49:24.000 Like, if you own your music...

00:49:26.000 If you're the publisher.

00:49:26.000 I don't want to get too deep into Spotify and all that, but people are starting to move away from that and what I call the value-for-value model.

00:49:37.000 We actually built this with Podcasting 2.0 where you can send a boost.

00:49:42.000 Like, I want to send some money to this person straight from the app.

00:49:45.000 So you can play a song in the podcast as long as they've agreed to the license.

00:49:50.000 They own all their stuff.

00:49:51.000 You can send the money.

00:49:53.000 We just did Suzanne Santa.

00:49:55.000 I invited you to that.

00:49:56.000 Yeah, I couldn't make it, unfortunately.

00:49:59.000 All I had to say is I invited Joe.

00:50:01.000 That was all I needed to say.

00:50:03.000 And, you know, we had six people on stage, six different bands, and they all made between $600 and $800 coming just from out there.

00:50:12.000 There was maybe 50, at the end of the night, maybe 50 people left.

00:50:16.000 It's a Monday night.

00:50:17.000 But they were all making more money than they had ever made on any other platform in their life just because people can send it through the internet.

00:50:26.000 Isn't that crazy that $600 for a performance that goes in the internet?

00:50:32.000 Absolutely.

00:50:35.000 It is crazy.

00:50:41.000 Online, some dude named Balls of Steel sent me a message and he said, this is your new favorite song.

00:50:46.000 And I was like, what?

00:50:47.000 And it was Honey Honey, Angel of Death.

00:50:49.000 They did an acoustic version on the top of a roof in downtown LA. And it was incredible.

00:50:54.000 And I was like, oh my God.

00:50:55.000 And then I became friends with them.

00:50:57.000 Yeah, she and Nick are great.

00:50:58.000 And their baby is super cute.

00:51:00.000 Yeah, it's adorable.

00:51:02.000 It's so cool to see her mom.

00:51:03.000 I love it.

00:51:04.000 But it's like that.

00:51:06.000 There's been so many streams on the radio, and the fact that you never made more than $600 is crazy.

00:51:12.000 Like, something's broken.

00:51:13.000 Well, that's because the publishers are getting all of that.

00:51:17.000 Right, exactly.

00:51:18.000 But then on the other hand, you can get really famous.

00:51:24.000 People like Tile the Creator and all these different people that have blown up just from being on the internet, and then they do live performances.

00:51:31.000 Yeah, but I still feel that...

00:51:35.000 Someone's making money.

00:51:37.000 Well, we know the publishers are making money.

00:51:39.000 People say the record companies, but it's the publishers.

00:51:41.000 Yeah, they can't call them record companies anymore if they don't make records.

00:51:44.000 Thank you.

00:51:45.000 I was in my garage the other day, and I put my wall of fame in the garage.

00:51:49.000 You're like, time to move this out of the house.

00:51:50.000 Like, I'm old enough now.

00:51:52.000 And I'm looking at, like, there's a platinum record with a cassette.

00:51:57.000 With a platinum cassette on it.

00:52:00.000 Do people even remember these days when you got a platinum record with a cassette on it?

00:52:04.000 That's crazy.

00:52:05.000 Five million copies sold of a cassette tape?

00:52:07.000 Jelly Roll gave us one of his platinum records.

00:52:09.000 We got it out there in the hall.

00:52:10.000 That guy is awesome.

00:52:11.000 He's the best.

00:52:12.000 Jelly Roll is what a story.

00:52:14.000 He's such a sweetheart.

00:52:16.000 He's such a nice guy.

00:52:17.000 And he's a big crossover artist.

00:52:18.000 You know, the Christians love him.

00:52:20.000 The country guys love him.

00:52:21.000 The rock and rollers love him.

00:52:22.000 It's like he's the perfect, perfect crossover artist.

00:52:26.000 If I were an evil record executive, he's the perfect, he's the perfect crossover artist.

00:52:31.000 Joe, we need to sign him.

00:52:33.000 That's what I'd be doing.

00:52:34.000 Also, like, most unlikely looking to be the sweetest guy ever.

00:52:37.000 With fucking all the face tattoos and everything.

00:52:39.000 Just goes to show.

00:52:40.000 Yeah.

00:52:41.000 You can't tell a book by its cover.

00:52:42.000 No, you cannot.

00:52:43.000 Ever, ever, ever, ever.

00:52:46.000 So, anyway, back to that.

00:52:50.000 It's just a shame that the music industry has moved it into this protectionist place.

00:52:58.000 I mean, even if you have a spin studio, you know, the Gestapo comes around like, you know, you've got more than 75 people a day here.

00:53:08.000 You need to pay us more.

00:53:09.000 And, you know, they're very litigious.

00:53:11.000 The whole thing is just a mess.

00:53:13.000 It's a mess.

00:53:14.000 Yeah.

00:53:15.000 I mean, law is great because it protects you from scumbags, but law is not so great.

00:53:20.000 But who's it protecting now?

00:53:20.000 Because the artists are making no money.

00:53:22.000 Exactly.

00:53:23.000 Although it's become easier to, you know, to do.

00:53:26.000 Your music at home, that's, I mean, I remember going to the Hit Factory in New York and hanging out, you know, watching people record records.

00:53:34.000 That was amazing with, you know, the big machines and lots of people running around.

00:53:38.000 That was cool.

00:53:39.000 I think YouTube and social media presents very unique opportunities where a guy like Oliver Anthony can all of a sudden explode out of nowhere with one song.

00:53:49.000 He's another sweetheart.

00:53:51.000 Yeah, you had him on.

00:53:51.000 Yeah, he was at the club the other day, too.

00:53:53.000 We were all hanging out.

00:53:54.000 Where does he live?

00:53:56.000 I think he's still...

00:53:58.000 Is he down south?

00:53:58.000 Maybe he doesn't want people to know him.

00:53:59.000 Okay.

00:53:59.000 Well, he lives in...

00:54:00.000 I don't want to say.

00:54:01.000 Around.

00:54:01.000 But he was...

00:54:03.000 I mean, back...

00:54:05.000 Was he...

00:54:06.000 He was in Virginia?

00:54:08.000 West Virginia.

00:54:09.000 West Virginia.

00:54:09.000 Okay.

00:54:10.000 Yeah, West Virginia.

00:54:11.000 That makes sense.

00:54:11.000 Richmond.

00:54:11.000 Because Richmond, north of Richmond was the song.

00:54:13.000 Right, right, right, right.

00:54:15.000 Yeah, that's where he was.

00:54:17.000 I don't know if he's...

00:54:17.000 And God bless him because he stayed away from the system.

00:54:22.000 Yeah, we had a phone call.

00:54:23.000 Yeah, I called him up when it all started popping off for him.

00:54:27.000 He said, I'm going to sign you, boy.

00:54:28.000 I'm going to sign you to my Rogan records.

00:54:30.000 You're going to make millions.

00:54:32.000 Here, take this Cadillac.

00:54:33.000 It'll be great.

00:54:34.000 Yeah, I sent the Cadillac right to his house.

00:54:37.000 That's the last thing you want to give that guy.

00:54:38.000 You want to give him a 1983 Chevy that's redone, a pickup truck, an F-150 from the 80s that's redone, the boxy ones.

00:54:49.000 A-track and the dash.

00:54:50.000 Good to go.

00:54:52.000 No, he's a genuine guy.

00:54:53.000 He's a really nice guy.

00:54:54.000 And we had this conversation over the phone.

00:54:57.000 He said, people are offering me millions of dollars to do this and that and this.

00:55:00.000 I go, stay independent.

00:55:01.000 And he goes, they keep saying I got a strike while the iron's hot.

00:55:04.000 I go, no, no, no, no, no.

00:55:05.000 Listen to me.

00:55:06.000 You've already made it.

00:55:08.000 All you have to do now is just keep doing what you just did, and you can do that, right?

00:55:12.000 I'm sure you have other songs.

00:55:13.000 He goes, oh, I got a bunch of other songs.

00:55:14.000 Then you sent me some of his other songs, which are just as good, if not better.

00:55:17.000 And I was like, dude, you have talent.

00:55:19.000 Talent is what you...

00:55:20.000 That's what everybody needs.

00:55:21.000 All this other stuff is people just trying to take advantage of your talent.

00:55:25.000 Stay independent.

00:55:26.000 That's what I mean about you, Joe.

00:55:27.000 You are a good guy.

00:55:28.000 You protect people.

00:55:30.000 I was already past that spot where he's at.

00:55:34.000 I'd been in that spot before, where people are offering you deals and stuff like that.

00:55:37.000 I know what the trappings of that is.

00:55:40.000 You're broke, and then all of a sudden, you have money.

00:55:43.000 And for me, it worked out great.

00:55:44.000 That happened to me in 1993. I got this big development deal with Disney, and I moved out to California to do a sitcom.

00:55:53.000 I wanted to be a comic.

00:55:54.000 And then all of a sudden I've got all this money that's coming from TV. I'm like, this is so weird.

00:55:58.000 Was that news radio?

00:55:59.000 No, that was Hardball.

00:56:00.000 It was a baseball show that was on Fox that never made it.

00:56:03.000 I was an MTV man.

00:56:04.000 I wasn't paying attention to any of that stuff.

00:56:06.000 It actually started at MTV because I got a development deal with MTV first.

00:56:11.000 Really?

00:56:11.000 Yeah, but the development deal at MTV was like $500 to do a pilot.

00:56:16.000 I'm not kidding.

00:56:17.000 Sounds like MTV. I'm not kidding.

00:56:19.000 It was like $500.

00:56:20.000 Maybe $5,000.

00:56:21.000 I don't think it was, though.

00:56:22.000 I think it was $5,000.

00:56:22.000 And if I did the pilot and the pilot was successful, they would have me locked in for some exorbitant amount of time.

00:56:31.000 I think it was like five years where I couldn't do anything other than MTV. And it was because they had a few people that became really famous off MTV and then left.

00:56:40.000 And so they had decided that MTV is going to keep all of their talent.

00:56:46.000 Which is the funniest thing because when I got there in 87...

00:56:51.000 VJs were expendable.

00:56:53.000 They're like, you know, you're expendable.

00:56:55.000 Shut up.

00:56:56.000 Now, they couldn't because they brought me over from Europe and had a two-year contract.

00:57:01.000 I think the first year was $150,000.

00:57:03.000 The second year was $175,000.

00:57:05.000 And I got a car service.

00:57:07.000 And I could do radio, any radio I wanted to do.

00:57:12.000 And a lot of the people, not they, but a lot of the people at the office really disliked me because they'd be like, cut your hair!

00:57:20.000 I'm like, no, I'm not going to cut my hair.

00:57:21.000 Why do they want you to cut your hair?

00:57:22.000 They have a new creative direction for the channel.

00:57:26.000 I'm like, no.

00:57:27.000 And, you know, I had different lengths of hair throughout the years.

00:57:30.000 That's the 80s, man.

00:57:32.000 That hair was gold.

00:57:33.000 I'm like, have you seen the artists we're playing?

00:57:36.000 Give me a photo of Adam Curry in 88. It's glorious.

00:57:41.000 Glorious locks.

00:57:41.000 I have the hair of Generation X. Don't call me a boomer.

00:57:45.000 Look at that.

00:57:45.000 Come on, who the fuck would tell you to cut that Farrah Fawcett?

00:57:49.000 That's a beautiful head of hair.

00:57:51.000 That's an amazing...

00:57:52.000 Good times, brother.

00:57:53.000 Good times.

00:57:54.000 Yeah, imagine someone telling you that probably that was like a huge hook, too.

00:57:58.000 Of course.

00:57:59.000 Like probably a lot of the ladies.

00:57:59.000 Well, you know what Merv Griffin always said?

00:58:01.000 Merv Griffin always said, people with big heads are successful on television.

00:58:05.000 That's why he had Pat Sajak and, of course, Jay Leno.

00:58:08.000 Jay Leno.

00:58:09.000 Big heads, right?

00:58:10.000 I don't have a big head.

00:58:11.000 You have big hair.

00:58:12.000 I had big hair, so I had a big head.

00:58:14.000 Exactly.

00:58:15.000 The formula worked!

00:58:17.000 Right, there's no, like, little tiny-headed dudes that are like, wow.

00:58:20.000 No, no.

00:58:20.000 What is that about?

00:58:21.000 No, that works on YouTube now, but on television...

00:58:24.000 Does it work on YouTube?

00:58:25.000 I think anybody can be successful on YouTube.

00:58:29.000 Right.

00:58:29.000 I mean, it's all kinds of interesting stuff.

00:58:30.000 Doesn't that show you that the formula's bullshit, then?

00:58:32.000 You know, like, you got a guy like Mr. Beast, who is not, like, a classically good-looking guy who's got the biggest show in the world.

00:58:39.000 That guy has...

00:58:41.000 People say he's a creator.

00:58:43.000 I think he's a creation.

00:58:44.000 He is a creation of YouTube and how it works.

00:58:48.000 You don't have this because you're so established, but his team, and he's talked about this, micromanage every second of each video, every cut, the poster images, all these things, and it's all about...

00:59:06.000 If one video does a minute 38 and the other one does 140, that other video is more successful.

00:59:11.000 I mean, it's really, in order to hook the algos, get everything rolling, you have to bring that down to a science.

00:59:19.000 And of course...

00:59:20.000 I mean, this is not for you and I, I don't think, because you have to always keep feeding the machine.

00:59:25.000 You've got to keep feeding it, feeding it, feeding it.

00:59:27.000 You have to make your life a part of your YouTube channel.

00:59:30.000 Otherwise, you know, you drop off very quickly.

00:59:33.000 Yeah.

00:59:34.000 Well, I just think he has a different approach.

00:59:37.000 I mean, his approach is very, like, scientific.

00:59:39.000 He's very, very intelligent about it.

00:59:41.000 And I'm a feel person, which is why when I get people as guests, I never think, like...

00:59:50.000 Sometimes people think, oh, you try to get the biggest name guests because that'll be the most popular videos.

00:59:55.000 I don't do that at all.

00:59:57.000 Who do I want to talk to?

00:59:58.000 That's exactly how I've always done it.

01:00:00.000 I'm going to always do it.

01:00:02.000 And if it happens to be Mel Gibson, you know?

01:00:06.000 Great interview, by the way.

01:00:07.000 He was great.

01:00:08.000 I mean, I'm like...

01:00:09.000 For me, he's always Mad Max.

01:00:11.000 When I was a kid, we'd play hooky from school.

01:00:14.000 We'd go back and someone would have a VHS. No, I had a Betamax.

01:00:18.000 He had a Betamax.

01:00:18.000 Oh, yeah.

01:00:19.000 And we're watching Mad Max and then Diana Ross in the round.

01:00:24.000 Diana Ross in the round.

01:00:25.000 We love Diana Ross.

01:00:26.000 You're like, oh, she's so awesome.

01:00:27.000 But the Mad Max, man, that original, and he's standing there with his boots in the desert at the beginning.

01:00:33.000 Great fucking movie.

01:00:34.000 He had a bunch of bangers.

01:00:36.000 But he's an interesting guy.

01:00:39.000 And that blower on top of the engine.

01:00:42.000 I mean, the whole thing was just...

01:00:43.000 We just loved that.

01:00:45.000 That was a fun movie.

01:00:46.000 And then later, Lethal Weapon.

01:00:47.000 And I didn't realize, because I'd seen The Passion.

01:00:51.000 Which is, you know, as a Jesus freak myself, that was like, whoa, that was a heavy movie to watch.

01:00:57.000 And when he said it, I didn't realize that the whole thing was in Aramaic.

01:01:01.000 And it was the subtitles that you were basically reading the subtitles.

01:01:06.000 And his theory that it penetrates you differently, the story, I think, is so spot on.

01:01:11.000 I think so, too.

01:01:12.000 Really, really interesting.

01:01:14.000 Well, he's a very underrated filmmaker.

01:01:16.000 And I always point to Apocalypto as another example of that.

01:01:20.000 There's no English in that movie.

01:01:21.000 Nope.

01:01:21.000 And it's a masterful movie.

01:01:22.000 It's a great movie.

01:01:24.000 That guy has a calling, man.

01:01:25.000 He's doing amazing talent.

01:01:27.000 Yeah.

01:01:28.000 And he fought the system.

01:01:30.000 He really, really fought the system so hard.

01:01:33.000 That was what was fascinating about talking to him about what happened when he made The Passion of the Christ.

01:01:37.000 Because it was really, it wasn't that it was an anti-Jesus reaction to that film.

01:01:44.000 It was an anti-Jesus reaction to that film that was really made by the motion picture industry because he had gone outside the normal distribution system.

01:01:51.000 Yep.

01:01:52.000 So in creating that movie, he financed it himself.

01:01:55.000 He went outside.

01:01:56.000 He got a smaller distributor.

01:01:58.000 And it did really well.

01:02:00.000 And they were like.

01:02:00.000 $800 million or something.

01:02:02.000 Exactly.

01:02:02.000 Crazy amount.

01:02:03.000 We got to make sure this doesn't fucking happen again.

01:02:05.000 And that's where the attacks came.

01:02:07.000 And that's also where Jim Caviezel, his career completely stalled out.

01:02:10.000 You would think the guy's in a gigantic blockbuster movie like that, like he's going to be in blockbuster movie after blockbuster movie after this.

01:02:17.000 No, they kind of blackballed.

01:02:18.000 Yes.

01:02:19.000 Well, and so you have smaller studios now like Angel Studios, and they're in Utah, and they crowdfunded The Chosen, which is the story of Jesus, and it's, I mean, unbelievable.

01:02:37.000 They're in their fifth season now, completely outside the studio system, completely away from it, and it's all crowdfunding.

01:02:44.000 At the end of the season, the credits are like...

01:02:46.000 15 minutes.

01:02:48.000 Everybody who donated, and everybody who donated X amount, they get to be extras on the set.

01:02:53.000 I mean, it's a whole new way of looking at producing stuff.

01:02:57.000 Interesting.

01:02:57.000 Then, of course, they went on to do an apocalyptic movie called Homestead, which is a...

01:03:03.000 Dog!

01:03:03.000 It's so horrible.

01:03:05.000 It's like, oh, what is this?

01:03:06.000 I mean, it's...

01:03:07.000 Oh, it's a bad movie?

01:03:07.000 Oh!

01:03:08.000 Bad acting?

01:03:09.000 Is it bad enough to watch it?

01:03:10.000 No, no.

01:03:11.000 Tina and I were watching, we're like, do we bail?

01:03:13.000 No, 10 more minutes.

01:03:14.000 Do we bail?

01:03:15.000 No, no, it's gonna happen.

01:03:15.000 It's like, no.

01:03:17.000 No, it's too bad.

01:03:19.000 It's hard to make a good movie.

01:03:20.000 Of course it is.

01:03:21.000 Well, imagine the amount of people that you have.

01:03:24.000 If you have a bunch of idiots telling you to cut your hair, imagine how many dumbasses you have in the background of the movie that are telling you what to do.

01:03:32.000 All the money people, all the executives.

01:03:34.000 It must be so hard.

01:03:36.000 You have to be like a Quentin Tarantino who's like, just leave him alone, leave him alone, let him do his magic.

01:03:41.000 He's an interesting, have you met him?

01:03:42.000 Oh yeah, he's been on a couple times.

01:03:44.000 We hung out with him the other night.

01:03:46.000 We get out to dinner with him, him and Roger Avery, who's also awesome.

01:03:49.000 And then we went to the club, and we hung out at the club.

01:03:52.000 He's an interesting guy.

01:03:53.000 And that's what he requested, to come to the club.

01:03:55.000 Was he wearing his tracksuit?

01:03:57.000 No, he was just normal.

01:03:58.000 I saw him in L.A. when I was there for about a year.

01:04:00.000 I was like, you see him, like, tracksuit.

01:04:02.000 Tracksuits are comfortable.

01:04:03.000 I get it why the mob guys wear tracksuits all the time.

01:04:06.000 Yeah, of course.

01:04:06.000 The Russian mob guys, they know.

01:04:08.000 This is the way to do it.

01:04:09.000 Adidas, man.

01:04:10.000 Adidas, that's my uniform.

01:04:11.000 I think the move is, like, stretchy jeans.

01:04:14.000 Because stretchy jeans.

01:04:15.000 The jeans give you all the feel of a tracksuit, but you don't look like a weirdo.

01:04:20.000 I've become a hoodie guy, much to my wife's chagrin.

01:04:23.000 She's like, you know, I got friends of mine saying, hey, Fetterman!

01:04:26.000 I'm like, no, I really rather.

01:04:28.000 Fetterman wore a hoodie to the fucking inauguration.

01:04:31.000 That was a little wild.

01:04:32.000 I mean, the hoodie was one thing, but the shorts, I'm like, well, you know, that's Fetterman, I guess.

01:04:37.000 That's really who he is.

01:04:38.000 I mean, it's kind of weird in that, like, come on, everybody else is wearing a suit.

01:04:42.000 But it's also kind of like, well, that's how he...

01:04:44.000 he dresses 24 hours a day.

01:04:46.000 Yeah, but you wore a tuxedo.

01:04:48.000 Dude, you wore a button down for the president being your studio.

01:04:50.000 I was impressed by that.

01:04:52.000 Well, I felt like I had to.

01:04:54.000 The vice president, too.

01:04:55.000 I was like, I gotta wear something nice.

01:04:57.000 It's because, you know, it shows a little bit of respect.

01:04:59.000 Yeah, I didn't even clean the table off, though.

01:05:01.000 Well, you know, my friend Harlan Williams was very happy that Dimitri was on the table.

01:05:05.000 Oh, your snake.

01:05:06.000 Yeah, he gave me a giant hug.

01:05:08.000 He goes, Dimitri was on the table when you were interviewing the president.

01:05:11.000 This is a gag that Harlan did.

01:05:14.000 He said he had a tapeworm, and then three hours into the podcast, he pulls out this fucking snake out of his pants.

01:05:19.000 You gotta see Harlan.

01:05:21.000 He's fucking...

01:05:21.000 He's so...

01:05:22.000 So funny and so unusual and so eccentric that for him, it was such a huge thing to see the snake on the table that he pulled out of his pants.

01:05:30.000 Yeah, of course.

01:05:30.000 I get it.

01:05:31.000 I get it.

01:05:31.000 I mean, it was so interesting where you've talked about the Harris campaign and all the stuff that they were saying.

01:05:39.000 And it was like, well, we talked to his people.

01:05:41.000 I'm like...

01:05:42.000 His people?

01:05:43.000 I think it's Jamie and then maybe one other guy?

01:05:47.000 Well, I do have managers, and they did talk to the managers.

01:05:49.000 Oh, they did talk to them?

01:05:50.000 But what they said just wasn't true.

01:05:52.000 But it's not like you have a super big team here.

01:05:54.000 No.

01:05:55.000 It's small.

01:05:56.000 Even the team outside of here is not that big.

01:05:58.000 But it's just...

01:06:01.000 It's just normal political bullshit.

01:06:03.000 They just lie.

01:06:04.000 They cover their ass and they lie.

01:06:05.000 I would have been very happy to have her on.

01:06:07.000 And like I said, the goal was to release both of them the same day.

01:06:11.000 I was trying to figure out how to do that.

01:06:12.000 That would have been great.

01:06:13.000 That would have been fantastic.

01:06:14.000 Yeah, I was trying to figure out if that would be possible to do.

01:06:17.000 And that's what I wanted to do.

01:06:19.000 I wanted to put them out both at the same time.

01:06:21.000 But that's it.

01:06:22.000 That's where we broke the elite messaging system.

01:06:25.000 We broke it because they could not put her into the new system.

01:06:29.000 They couldn't because they knew that she would fall down.

01:06:32.000 Well, they just got scared.

01:06:33.000 They could have.

01:06:34.000 They could have put her in.

01:06:35.000 I would have held her hand.

01:06:37.000 We would have had a conversation.

01:06:38.000 I'm sure you would have.

01:06:38.000 Not that I need to hold the vice president's hand.

01:06:41.000 But what I meant was, no, I wouldn't have done that.

01:06:44.000 I wasn't going to move forward.

01:06:46.000 I don't know, Joe.

01:06:47.000 She might have charmed you.

01:06:48.000 But I was more than willing to strongman or steelman all of our positions.

01:06:54.000 I wanted to know what would be the good in this.

01:06:59.000 Even if it doesn't make any sense, express it the best way possible that you can.

01:07:04.000 I will help you do that.

01:07:06.000 And then I'll ask you questions.

01:07:07.000 But I'm not going to be antagonistic.

01:07:09.000 I'm not going to be a shithead.

01:07:11.000 I have no desire to turn this into- To a viral clip thing.

01:07:15.000 I'm not trying to do that.

01:07:16.000 I don't think you've ever done that with anybody.

01:07:17.000 No.

01:07:18.000 I never wanted that done to me.

01:07:20.000 So why would I do that to someone else?

01:07:21.000 That's why I wore this hoodie.

01:07:22.000 Iron sharpens iron.

01:07:23.000 That's what you are, brother.

01:07:24.000 You bring people in.

01:07:27.000 Iron sharpens iron.

01:07:28.000 So a friend sharpens a friend.

01:07:30.000 You're always...

01:07:30.000 I come here.

01:07:31.000 I come here because I want to learn from Joe.

01:07:33.000 I want my iron to be sharpened by Joe.

01:07:35.000 You do that with everybody who's there.

01:07:36.000 Well, I just want whoever's in that seat...

01:07:39.000 To do the best they can, right?

01:07:41.000 So, like, whatever it is, whether you're talking about quantum physics or whether you're talking about human psychology or ancient history, I want the best version of you and I want to, like, kind of help you get the best version out.

01:07:53.000 And if you're running for president, I'd like to get the best version of that from you.

01:07:58.000 And I think that the whole system of debates and public speeches and interviews is so...

01:08:08.000 Bad for getting to know a human being.

01:08:11.000 And I guarantee you, I've seen interviews where she's really funny.

01:08:16.000 I've talked about it before, but I'll say it again.

01:08:17.000 There's this one interview, she's talking about meeting her mother-in-law for the first time, and her mother-in-law grabbed her face like, oh, you're so beautiful!

01:08:24.000 And it's very funny.

01:08:25.000 And she laughs, and she laughs in a genuine way.

01:08:28.000 It's not like that sort of defensive laughter that she does sometimes, where it seems like it's orchestrated.

01:08:34.000 It was a genuine laughter, and it was fun.

01:08:36.000 Well, she's a prosecutor, that's why...

01:08:39.000 She kept going into prosecutorial mode.

01:08:41.000 The same with the so-called debate with Trump.

01:08:44.000 She was prosecuting him.

01:08:45.000 So she has a switch that she just flips.

01:08:48.000 And she becomes an authority.

01:08:50.000 Whereas our president, he's kind of him all the time.

01:08:54.000 They're eating the dogs!

01:08:56.000 I think that won him the election, too.

01:08:57.000 That was awesome.

01:08:58.000 I mean, that's one of my favorite jingles of all time.

01:09:00.000 They're eating the dogs!

01:09:02.000 They're eating the cats!

01:09:03.000 Are you kidding me?

01:09:04.000 That's fantastic.

01:09:06.000 Well, it is...

01:09:08.000 It's very interesting to watch it all take place.

01:09:12.000 It's very interesting to watch this shifting of the consciousness of the country.

01:09:19.000 The culture.

01:09:20.000 Yeah, but also to see the reaction on the left, like to see the really...

01:09:24.000 Crazy people, like those people at that Worcester Town Hall thing.

01:09:28.000 It's interesting to see that, too, because you're going to see these, like, really exaggerated grasps at retaining relevancy.

01:09:37.000 Like, really exaggerated.

01:09:38.000 Well, they're crying out for help, is what they're doing.

01:09:41.000 They're crying out for help.

01:09:42.000 They've been psyoped.

01:09:43.000 I mean...

01:09:44.000 I'm only on X. I gave up Facebook and Instagram.

01:09:48.000 I'm not interested.

01:09:49.000 And X I really only use as kind of an inbox.

01:09:52.000 People will send me stuff and things for the show.

01:09:56.000 But early on when Blue Cry was still a secret project within Twitter that Jack Dorsey was running, I knew some people who were in that secret project.

01:10:07.000 And so I have an account.

01:10:08.000 And I went on there the other day.

01:10:10.000 I'm like, oh, my Lord, this is horrible.

01:10:13.000 These people are spinning up and spinning out and just going nuts with each other.

01:10:19.000 And I was like, I don't know how.

01:10:23.000 We have to figure out a way.

01:10:26.000 And, you know, President Trump says success will bring us together.

01:10:29.000 I think that's probably true.

01:10:31.000 But, you know, we can't just.

01:10:34.000 I'm a little worried that we're all going to be stomping on them.

01:10:38.000 It's like, ah, look at these stupid libs.

01:10:40.000 They're idiots.

01:10:40.000 They're crazy.

01:10:41.000 And I just feel that...

01:10:43.000 You know, you gotta love them and not hate them.

01:10:47.000 You don't have to forget what they've done or what they've said, but they have been abused by multiple entities and systems within our own government and political organizations.

01:10:58.000 Yeah, also, they're in this feedback loop, this echo chamber, and they don't have outside people that are kind.

01:11:04.000 And, you know, everybody outside is the enemy, and they're trying to, like...

01:11:10.000 They're trying to make their way through life like all of us.

01:11:13.000 But without forgiveness, you have nothing.

01:11:16.000 You have to be able to forgive people.

01:11:17.000 Yes.

01:11:18.000 You have to.

01:11:19.000 Without that, there's nothing.

01:11:20.000 Well, you remain trapped in your own prison.

01:11:22.000 Yeah.

01:11:23.000 And you're also, you have enemies forever that could have been your friends.

01:11:27.000 There's no reason for it.

01:11:28.000 It's not good for you.

01:11:29.000 It's not good for them.

01:11:31.000 And it's just like this stubborn inclination that a lot of people have to stick with that.

01:11:35.000 Like, fuck those people forever for life.

01:11:38.000 You really shouldn't do that.

01:11:39.000 It's not good.

01:11:40.000 Especially if those people feel bad.

01:11:42.000 If they apologize and they realize they've made mistakes.

01:11:45.000 Yeah, that's what life's about.

01:11:47.000 You've got to be able to understand that in the past you've made mistakes and grow.

01:11:52.000 And if we, the people that have made mistakes and grown, do not accept the people that are currently making mistakes and growing, well, then we're hypocrites.

01:12:00.000 Well, that's the same with COVID. I know many people who either lost their job or were forced to take something they didn't want to take, and they will never forgive them.

01:12:11.000 Like, I won't forget.

01:12:13.000 Forgiving is not the same as forgetting, obviously, but they can't bring themselves to forgive those who were caught up in a massive psychological operation, and they're held in their own prison of anger, and it's with their own family members.

01:12:29.000 I mean, that...

01:12:30.000 It's almost like, did that happen?

01:12:32.000 That just went, we're now back.

01:12:34.000 What are we doing?

01:12:34.000 All these things have gone so fast.

01:12:37.000 We had an attempt on a president's life, and it's like, we don't know anything.

01:12:44.000 Our heads are on a swivel spinning around.

01:12:47.000 What is going on?

01:12:50.000 And the drones.

01:12:52.000 What about the drones?

01:12:54.000 So the drone thing...

01:12:55.000 For me, it was so odd.

01:12:56.000 First of all, there's a base over there and they're testing some drone technology.

01:13:01.000 But people in the United States, but really around the world, this is how we go through life.

01:13:05.000 We go through life looking down.

01:13:07.000 I'm a pilot.

01:13:08.000 I fly helicopters, airplanes.

01:13:09.000 I'm looking up at the sky all the time.

01:13:11.000 There's a lot going on.

01:13:12.000 There's a lot happening in the sky.

01:13:15.000 What have you seen?

01:13:16.000 All kinds of things, Joe.

01:13:17.000 What have you seen?

01:13:18.000 I've seen the Starlink satellites go over my house.

01:13:21.000 Those trip people out.

01:13:22.000 It's amazing.

01:13:22.000 It's like, whoa!

01:13:24.000 Like eight or nine in a row.

01:13:26.000 And they go fast, too.

01:13:27.000 Very fast.

01:13:27.000 And they seem pretty low, actually.

01:13:29.000 Like 60 miles up.

01:13:32.000 And of course, once it becomes a story, then every...

01:13:37.000 I know all these people with drones are like, dude, I'm going to get in the news.

01:13:40.000 I'm flying my drone.

01:13:41.000 They got six-foot diameter drones flying around.

01:13:44.000 Of course.

01:13:45.000 I mean, aliens and Chinese drones, they always want to have their red and green anti-collision lights on.

01:13:51.000 It's important.

01:13:53.000 I was like, no, no.

01:13:54.000 And of course, there was some actual legislation that they wanted to pass, which happened that same week, which was to get...

01:14:02.000 Chinese drones out of America.

01:14:04.000 The DJI drones.

01:14:06.000 They don't want them.

01:14:08.000 They passed that the same week?

01:14:10.000 Dude, same week.

01:14:13.000 That's why they psyoped all of these local people.

01:14:17.000 Oh my god.

01:14:19.000 These motherfuckers.

01:14:22.000 They wanted the DJI drones no longer to come in.

01:14:26.000 But really for law enforcement to also have local authority over drones, which they didn't have.

01:14:33.000 And now they're going to have that as well.

01:14:35.000 So they can say, hey, you with the drone down, we're doing something important here.

01:14:39.000 Right.

01:14:39.000 So it's always to remove your freedom.

01:14:41.000 Trust me.

01:14:42.000 Whatever the sign.

01:14:43.000 Yeah.

01:14:44.000 That was the same time.

01:14:45.000 And all I had, I looked at this and like, okay, I'm trained myself.

01:14:48.000 Like, let's go take a look.

01:14:50.000 What's going on?

01:14:51.000 Oh, that's interesting, isn't it?

01:14:53.000 Look at this legislation.

01:14:54.000 Well, this is another argument for deregulation too, because when it comes to innovation, the issue with drones is that if you want like a really high level, sophisticated drone in America, you have to have a pilot's license.

01:15:05.000 You do.

01:15:07.000 That's a big deal.

01:15:09.000 And the FAA is very involved in the policing.

01:15:13.000 Well, you need that.

01:15:14.000 You need that for our skies, obviously.

01:15:16.000 Oh, 100%.

01:15:17.000 China don't have that, bro.

01:15:19.000 They've got a social credit course system and no freedom.

01:15:23.000 I talk to a lot of guys who do our audience who just got people in every...

01:15:27.000 We've trained them.

01:15:28.000 You're producers.

01:15:29.000 You know something about one particular topic.

01:15:31.000 You have an obligation to let us know.

01:15:33.000 So we have all these guys drone for hobbies, drones for law enforcement, drones for news.

01:15:39.000 And they all said, you know...

01:15:41.000 These DJI drones, they're so much better than the US drones.

01:15:44.000 They're just better.

01:15:45.000 They got better stuff, better technology, better cameras.

01:15:49.000 So they're like, I don't want to lose this.

01:15:51.000 And I guess they will.

01:15:53.000 The thing is, without the free market, the innovation is going to be stifled.

01:15:56.000 If the innovation is only available to the highest level military contractors...

01:16:01.000 That's crazy.

01:16:02.000 Like, especially when it comes to drone technology.

01:16:04.000 Like, you're competing with China, and they're doing these enormous light shows with a fucking dragon flying through the sky.

01:16:10.000 Have you seen some of those things?

01:16:11.000 I've seen them fall out and hit people.

01:16:15.000 Gotta crack a few eggs if you want to make an omelet at them.

01:16:18.000 I hear you.

01:16:18.000 I'm glad I don't go to drone shows for this very reason, Joe.

01:16:21.000 I'm careful.

01:16:22.000 I'm careful about that.

01:16:22.000 Yeah, that's probably like those air shows where they fly jets around.

01:16:25.000 Like, I'm not going to be on the ground.

01:16:27.000 No, I don't go to those.

01:16:28.000 That's why I like Starlink, because...

01:16:30.000 Because Starlink is really, first and foremost, a military system.

01:16:35.000 And very smartly, I think Elon is very good at marketing.

01:16:40.000 It's like, let's give this to the people.

01:16:43.000 I mean, I have it as a backup at home.

01:16:45.000 I have fiber, but I have a Starlink.

01:16:47.000 Of course I want to have this.

01:16:48.000 But it's really a military system.

01:16:50.000 Dude, I took one with me to the mountains in Utah when I went hunting.

01:16:54.000 Worked perfectly.

01:16:54.000 It's the size of this pack.

01:16:55.000 Yeah, the to-go.

01:16:57.000 It's incredible.

01:16:57.000 The little to-go thing.

01:16:58.000 It's incredible.

01:16:58.000 You can make phone calls.

01:17:00.000 You can do FaceTime.

01:17:01.000 All from the mountains, the middle of nowhere.

01:17:03.000 I know.

01:17:04.000 I know.

01:17:05.000 We used to dream of—I think I had databelt.com at one point.

01:17:09.000 I dreamt about, you know, wouldn't it be great if we all have these satellites and they're circling around and we call it the databelt and we'd have all this stuff and, you know, all these things.

01:17:17.000 I can just see the delight of—and, of course, a lot of—it's, you know, SpaceX.

01:17:24.000 These are very sophisticated NASA people.

01:17:28.000 You know, there's all kinds—the best of the best is in there.

01:17:29.000 I think he knows how to hire the right people.

01:17:32.000 But he's smart at how he markets that.

01:17:35.000 He really is.

01:17:36.000 Well, the newest thing is they've teamed up with T-Mobile.

01:17:39.000 Saw that, yeah.

01:17:41.000 Compatible phones only, Joe.

01:17:43.000 Right.

01:17:43.000 So you've gone to Flip phone now?

01:17:46.000 I've gone to Flip, yeah.

01:17:47.000 So are you texting me on that thing?

01:17:48.000 No.

01:17:50.000 We do it on Signal, so I do that from my computer.

01:17:52.000 Oh, boy, you're a weirdo.

01:17:54.000 So now you've gone completely flip phone.

01:17:56.000 So you don't text anybody anymore?

01:17:58.000 No, I can text.

01:17:58.000 I can text message.

01:17:59.000 But it's like T9? No, no, there's actually...

01:18:03.000 So I still have my Graphene OS, which is the de-googled stuff.

01:18:07.000 In that?

01:18:07.000 No, you can't put that on here.

01:18:09.000 So this is Android, but all I really have on here is text messaging, RCS. Can I see it?

01:18:14.000 Yeah.

01:18:15.000 So I'm still a green bubble.

01:18:16.000 This is a big flip phone.

01:18:18.000 $63.

01:18:19.000 And it's from Caterpillar, baby.

01:18:21.000 Whoa.

01:18:21.000 So this is like for job sites.

01:18:23.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:18:23.000 I bet your battery lasts a year.

01:18:25.000 How long is the battery?

01:18:26.000 Literally two days if I don't charge.

01:18:28.000 It keeps going.

01:18:29.000 Oh, yeah.

01:18:29.000 It's no problem.

01:18:30.000 So this is Android.

01:18:31.000 And you have a touch screen?

01:18:33.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:18:33.000 If you text, it pops up.

01:18:36.000 Now, the whole thing is, it's hard to use.

01:18:41.000 And that's why I like it.

01:18:42.000 Because I don't want...

01:18:43.000 It's a trap.

01:18:44.000 Well, reading your text messages is a trip.

01:18:47.000 What am I saying?

01:18:48.000 No, they're so small.

01:18:50.000 This is crazy.

01:18:52.000 How do you get back?

01:18:54.000 Use the back button on the keyboard.

01:18:56.000 Oh my god, that's hilarious.

01:18:59.000 This is hilarious.

01:19:00.000 So, in a pinch, I can bring up a webpage.

01:19:02.000 In a pinch, I can bring up my email.

01:19:05.000 Right, but it makes it complicated.

01:19:07.000 Yeah, so I'm hindering myself so that I'm not enslaved to it.

01:19:11.000 And actually, I hear from our daughters that there's a lot of kids who are doing this now because they want to be more present.

01:19:20.000 So if you want to send a text message, like if you want to get into your messages, what are you using to send a text message?

01:19:26.000 Here, I'll show you.

01:19:27.000 Are you doing like T9? No, no, no.

01:19:29.000 You're typing, you have a little tiny keyboard that comes on this little tiny screen?

01:19:33.000 See, I can even do emojis for my wife.

01:19:35.000 See, you just hit that.

01:19:37.000 And then up pops the keyboard.

01:19:38.000 But you can also swipe.

01:19:40.000 So you can just swipe around.

01:19:41.000 Oh my god, this keyboard's hilarious.

01:19:44.000 You can also do...

01:19:46.000 I'm going to try to write hello.

01:19:47.000 My wife will be like, what's going on?

01:19:49.000 It's probably auto-completing.

01:19:51.000 This is terrible.

01:19:52.000 I have it in swipe mode.

01:19:54.000 So just swipe along the letters.

01:19:56.000 I don't know how to do that.

01:19:57.000 D-L-L-O. Nope.

01:20:00.000 Hisense.

01:20:01.000 Nope, didn't work.

01:20:01.000 I have fat-ass fingers too, man.

01:20:03.000 This is not going to work.

01:20:05.000 It's not easy.

01:20:08.000 But I just need to...

01:20:11.000 I like talking to people now, too.

01:20:12.000 It's a great phone for talking to people.

01:20:15.000 Yeah, talking to people is better.

01:20:16.000 And you know what's cool?

01:20:17.000 Do you have navigation on this thing?

01:20:18.000 No.

01:20:18.000 Well, I could put it on there.

01:20:20.000 It won't work.

01:20:22.000 But you talk to someone like...

01:20:25.000 Yes.

01:20:25.000 Satisfying.

01:20:26.000 Yeah, that is satisfying.

01:20:27.000 Satisfying.

01:20:28.000 And look, it has little alerts if I get a text message so I can see.

01:20:30.000 So if somebody tells you, hey, the meeting got moved to 10 p.m.

01:20:34.000 I don't have meetings, Joe.

01:20:37.000 Whatever.

01:20:38.000 Our dinner reservations get changed.

01:20:40.000 You'll get it.

01:20:42.000 Yeah.

01:20:42.000 You know, Dvorak, my partner on No Agenda, he literally has a phone in his drawer and he never takes it out.

01:20:50.000 He has decided, no, I don't use navigation.

01:20:54.000 He lives in San Francisco.

01:20:55.000 He wants to keep his mind sharp by driving around.

01:20:59.000 He says, whenever I need a phone, I just turn around to someone and say, hey man, can I use your phone for a second?

01:21:03.000 There's always someone with a phone, he says.

01:21:05.000 So if I really needed to look something up, I'd just ask him for it, and it's good to go.

01:21:13.000 You know, you get the feeling that you need this thing, but you really don't.

01:21:17.000 Well, you definitely don't if you have a laptop.

01:21:20.000 Yeah.

01:21:20.000 And spend dedicated time doing certain things, you know?

01:21:24.000 Especially, like, if you...

01:21:25.000 I can't keep up with emails.

01:21:26.000 It's impossible.

01:21:27.000 It just doesn't make sense.

01:21:29.000 See, that's basically all I do.

01:21:30.000 I can't do it.

01:21:31.000 It doesn't work anymore.

01:21:32.000 I have filtering and all kinds of stuff.

01:21:34.000 There's, like, people who will email me 15 times a day.

01:21:38.000 Okay.

01:21:38.000 And, well, the thing is, of those 15 messages, There's one gem in there.

01:21:44.000 But you have to check them every day.

01:21:45.000 Otherwise, in three days, you've got 45 messages.

01:21:48.000 That doesn't make any sense.

01:21:49.000 How many?

01:21:49.000 45. 100. 4500 messages.

01:21:53.000 No, from that one guy.

01:21:53.000 Oh, yeah.

01:21:54.000 But I put him in his own email box.

01:21:57.000 Oh, I see.

01:21:57.000 And so then, you know, when I'm prepping for the show, like, no, no, no, no.

01:22:02.000 I can just see.

01:22:02.000 Right.

01:22:03.000 Maybe.

01:22:04.000 Check that out.

01:22:05.000 Yeah.

01:22:05.000 So I'm a real information manager.

01:22:09.000 That's, by the way...

01:22:11.000 I am not a big believer in the benefits of AI at this moment.

01:22:15.000 But if it can fix my email, then I'll believe it.

01:22:18.000 And so far, no one's done that with email.

01:22:20.000 How could it possibly fix your email?

01:22:22.000 It should know what I want to see and what's relevant to me based upon, how about the transcript of my show?

01:22:27.000 Or, I mean, all these wonderful inputs I can give it.

01:22:30.000 How come it can't do that?

01:22:31.000 No one has fixed email for me.

01:22:34.000 When you do that, then I'll be a little more of a believer in AI. Right now, I think it's a great parlor trick.

01:22:41.000 I think it's keeping the stock market afloat.

01:22:44.000 We've gone through three AI winters.

01:22:47.000 He even has his own wiki page, AI winter.

01:22:49.000 It comes and goes.

01:22:51.000 At a certain point, Lisp was the programming language, and then that went away, and then funding dries up.

01:22:58.000 You know, now it's like, what?

01:23:00.000 We don't really need $100 million to build a model?

01:23:03.000 Oh, but wait a minute.

01:23:04.000 They stole that from you so you can copy.

01:23:06.000 I run these models at home on my own computer.

01:23:10.000 I run the Lama model, which is meta.

01:23:14.000 They've open-sourced it.

01:23:15.000 I've run the French one, whatever their frog model, whatever they call it.

01:23:21.000 And then DeepSeek, you can also just load that on your own computer.

01:23:25.000 And it's not very impressive.

01:23:26.000 I mean, it's just not.

01:23:28.000 The error rate is too high.

01:23:30.000 So I'm skeptical of it really taking off.

01:23:33.000 And I certainly don't think it's sentient or anything of that kind.

01:23:37.000 I think it's on its way.

01:23:39.000 And I think also the versions that we're getting are not the versions they're currently working on.

01:23:44.000 And the people that I know that are in the loop at the highest levels of AI are alarmed, including Elon.

01:23:53.000 I had a conversation with Elon.

01:23:54.000 We were in line together to go to church the day of the inauguration.

01:23:59.000 It just happened to be right next to him.

01:24:01.000 And we just walked through together.

01:24:02.000 I'm like, hey, what's up?

01:24:03.000 And that's all we wanted to talk about was the leaps.

01:24:07.000 That Grok.ai is making.

01:24:09.000 And he's like, it's like weekly.

01:24:11.000 We're shocked.

01:24:12.000 And I think this thing is exponential.

01:24:15.000 And when they start attaching large language models to quantum computing, it's going to get very, very weird.

01:24:24.000 That's the pivot I'm waiting for when people start.

01:24:27.000 That's coming, man.

01:24:27.000 And that's going to be like an asteroid hitting the Yucatan.

01:24:30.000 You know, we've been waiting for quantum computers to actually work for...

01:24:35.000 30 years, and it's always 10 years away, and right now it's 10 years away.

01:24:39.000 Yeah, but right now they're able to do things with them.

01:24:42.000 They're able to solve very complicated algorithms.

01:24:47.000 I'm not an expert in this, but there was one computation they did, and that may be a computation it could do.

01:24:54.000 It's not necessary that you can give it any computation.

01:24:57.000 But you know that the computations that it's doing are so insanely complex that they believe it's proof of the multiverse?

01:25:04.000 Yeah, I've heard this.

01:25:05.000 Yeah.

01:25:05.000 You're not buying it.

01:25:07.000 No, not at all.

01:25:08.000 Really?

01:25:08.000 Not for a second.

01:25:09.000 How come?

01:25:10.000 Because I... How dare you.

01:25:12.000 I know.

01:25:13.000 I'm a Luddite.

01:25:14.000 Look at me.

01:25:14.000 How dare you crush my dreams.

01:25:15.000 I believe in this.

01:25:16.000 Yeah.

01:25:17.000 I've got no smoke shaker in my car.

01:25:20.000 For a number of reasons.

01:25:21.000 One is, I'm not using it.

01:25:22.000 I am the...

01:25:24.000 I'm a techno guy.

01:25:25.000 I've always been early in computers, early in the internet, and I just can't find a use for it.

01:25:31.000 It does some simple things.

01:25:33.000 It's very good at language.

01:25:34.000 Honestly, if I was like, okay, here's my situation.

01:25:38.000 I'm looking for Bible scripture.

01:25:40.000 It'll come up with something good, and then I can say, and read it to me like a Baptist pastor.

01:25:46.000 It'll go, hey, brother!

01:25:49.000 He'll do all that stuff.

01:25:50.000 But okay, it has all of the translations of the Bible in it, and so it can predict reasonably what Scripture will work.

01:25:58.000 It's usually not all that great.

01:26:00.000 It can do term papers.

01:26:02.000 We're in a position now where people are putting their resume into ChatGPT, sending it off.

01:26:09.000 Thousands of people are sending it off for a job.

01:26:11.000 And the other end, the people are taking that resume, putting it into ChatGPT and saying, please summarize this resume.

01:26:16.000 I mean, that's insane.

01:26:18.000 It's like, what are we doing?

01:26:20.000 What are we doing here?

01:26:20.000 That doesn't make any sense.

01:26:22.000 If it can fix my email, they'll be very impressed.

01:26:25.000 That's all I want.

01:26:25.000 That's all I ask for.

01:26:27.000 Your email is a particular puzzle, though.

01:26:28.000 That's the thing.

01:26:28.000 Everyone's email is a puzzle.

01:26:30.000 It's like, you know, the spammers get around stuff, and they figure it out, and you say, report a spam, and then it comes back in a different way.

01:26:37.000 And how many older people, especially?

01:26:41.000 But even people our age.

01:26:43.000 Who gets scammed by these emails that look pretty convincing?

01:26:50.000 And then the minute you click, they're like, oh, I should put my password in.

01:26:55.000 And then you're gone.

01:26:56.000 You're done.

01:26:56.000 There's a phone scam going around right now, which is unbelievable.

01:27:01.000 They had me going for 15 minutes.

01:27:03.000 I got a call.

01:27:05.000 It was 8 o'clock in the morning.

01:27:06.000 Right at 8 o'clock.

01:27:07.000 And I'm about to walk the dog, so I press it to voicemail.

01:27:10.000 I come back.

01:27:11.000 I listen.

01:27:11.000 This is the sheriff from Travis County.

01:27:17.000 And it had a 512 number.

01:27:19.000 And, you know, I need to talk to you urgently.

01:27:21.000 I'm like, okay, this is kind of messed up.

01:27:23.000 I call back.

01:27:24.000 I get someone.

01:27:25.000 Oh, I want sheriff so-and-so.

01:27:26.000 Yeah, hold on a second.

01:27:27.000 We'll transfer you.

01:27:28.000 I'm hearing, you know, like...

01:27:29.000 Police radio chatter in the background.

01:27:31.000 The guy gets on, and he's saying, well, you were an expert witness.

01:27:36.000 You were called to be an expert witness in a case.

01:27:38.000 I just happened to, and maybe this is not coincidence, I was asked to testify on someone's behalf in a case.

01:27:43.000 And so you were supposed to be an expert witness in this case.

01:27:47.000 You didn't show up, so you've basically broken federal law, and we have to come and pick you up, or you can pay a fine.

01:27:57.000 And then I'm like, Okay.

01:28:00.000 And it just kept on going.

01:28:01.000 And I'm like, whoa, hold on a sec.

01:28:04.000 It sounded so real.

01:28:06.000 And then at a certain point, he's like, well, you need to get a coupon to send this money.

01:28:11.000 I'm like, I'm going to call my lawyer.

01:28:12.000 You can't call your lawyer.

01:28:13.000 I have a do not hang up order.

01:28:16.000 I have to walk you through the whole process.

01:28:18.000 I'm like, okay, now I got it.

01:28:20.000 But that was 10, 15 minutes later.

01:28:21.000 And a lot of people have fallen for this one.

01:28:24.000 It's good.

01:28:26.000 Super sophisticated.

01:28:27.000 Very sophisticated.

01:28:28.000 So is that overseas?

01:28:29.000 Are they like spoofing a number?

01:28:31.000 No.

01:28:31.000 I mean, these were American voices.

01:28:33.000 It sounded like a sheriff.

01:28:35.000 It really did.

01:28:35.000 We did.

01:28:35.000 And the deputy sounded like a deputy.

01:28:37.000 I mean, it was sophisticated.

01:28:39.000 It's good.

01:28:40.000 How much was the fine?

01:28:42.000 Like $3,000 for this infraction and $2,000 for that infraction, you know, for these two different things.

01:28:49.000 And then you're going to bank transfer, so they're going to get your bank numbers.

01:28:53.000 I mean, at that point, I caught on.

01:28:55.000 I'm like, no, hold on a second.

01:28:56.000 How'd you get off of it?

01:28:57.000 I said, I'm going to call my lawyer.

01:28:59.000 And he's like, no, no.

01:29:00.000 I'm like, you can't tell me I can't call my lawyer.

01:29:02.000 This is bullcrap.

01:29:03.000 And I had to calm down.

01:29:05.000 I said to Tina, listen to what just happened to me.

01:29:08.000 This is crazy.

01:29:09.000 Some people I know in Fredericksburg actually went all the way.

01:29:15.000 Wow.

01:29:16.000 Yeah.

01:29:16.000 Older people.

01:29:17.000 And they were afraid.

01:29:19.000 They're like, oh, it's authority.

01:29:21.000 That's how they get you.

01:29:22.000 I'm sure you've got the one that says, this is my favorite Bitcoin scam.

01:29:27.000 It's like, okay, I've installed a spyware on your computer, and I saw what you were doing looking at that porn site, and I've recorded everything, and I'm going to release it all to your friends and on your social media if you don't send me $2,000 in Bitcoin right away.

01:29:44.000 Don't even think about contacting the authorities.

01:29:46.000 Have you ever gotten that one?

01:29:47.000 They've sophisticated it even more now.

01:29:50.000 They'll use your name?

01:29:51.000 And your address.

01:29:53.000 Like, I know you live at this address.

01:29:55.000 It's freaky, man.

01:29:57.000 So that kind of stuff would be nice if we could have AI protect us from that.

01:30:01.000 Yeah.

01:30:02.000 If it can do all these wonderful things, focus on that.

01:30:05.000 Help people.

01:30:06.000 Save people now.

01:30:07.000 Yeah.

01:30:07.000 Cut out the scam.

01:30:08.000 Yeah.

01:30:09.000 Speaking of scamming, what do you think about shit coins?

01:30:14.000 Like, what's your take on, like, Hawk Tua coin?

01:30:17.000 Okay.

01:30:17.000 Melania coin?

01:30:19.000 Those are more meme coins.

01:30:20.000 Trump coin.

01:30:20.000 More meme coins.

01:30:21.000 Shit coins, right?

01:30:23.000 Isn't that what a meme coin is?

01:30:24.000 So the only coin I believe in is Bitcoin.

01:30:27.000 And we've talked about this before.

01:30:29.000 Right.

01:30:29.000 In fact, I looked it up, hoping you would bring it up.

01:30:32.000 Two years ago when I was here the last time, Bitcoin was around $40,000.

01:30:36.000 Today it's close to $100,000.

01:30:38.000 Damn.

01:30:39.000 This will continue to go up until we're long gone.

01:30:44.000 It's very interesting.

01:30:45.000 So I don't believe in shit coins at all because...

01:30:49.000 Bitcoin has no CEO. There's no one in charge of it.

01:30:53.000 It's literally tens of thousands of people around the world who run these nodes that make it open and make it run and keep it at this 21 million coin limit.

01:31:01.000 I'm totally down with Bitcoin.

01:31:03.000 I'm with you.

01:31:04.000 But I think the shitcoin thing is fascinating, that anybody can create a coin.

01:31:11.000 You know, like, Jamie has a pull-it-up Jamie coin.

01:31:14.000 I don't know if you know that.

01:31:15.000 I did not make it.

01:31:16.000 Don't put that on me.

01:31:17.000 Do not.

01:31:18.000 It's out there now.

01:31:20.000 Now that you just said it, now that we just said it, because we brought it up yesterday with the Boneyard guy, with John Reeves, and we said, you should have your own coin.

01:31:27.000 Get the Boneyard coin.

01:31:28.000 And now, apparently, somebody made one.

01:31:30.000 So this is...

01:31:31.000 You bring this up in context of scams, because they are scams.

01:31:35.000 It's trouble.

01:31:36.000 So if I wanted to make a quick...

01:31:38.000 Quick amount of money, I'd have a shit coin, and I'd have my bots ready, and I'd say, hey, Joe, have you heard about my curry coin?

01:31:46.000 And you'd be like, no, wait a minute, and it would come out, and it would skyrocket, and my bots would sell it, I would make a lot of money, and it would be dumped right away.

01:31:53.000 It's a scam over and over and over again.

01:31:56.000 But what if you don't sell it?

01:31:57.000 Yeah, then you'll have empty bits worth nothing.

01:32:02.000 So it's only available for pump and dumps?

01:32:04.000 That's the only thing it's good for.

01:32:06.000 It's not good for anything else.

01:32:08.000 What about if you wanted to use it to finance charity?

01:32:12.000 Is it possible to do that?

01:32:14.000 Bad idea, bad idea.

01:32:14.000 Is it a bad idea?

01:32:15.000 Yeah.

01:32:16.000 You know, a lot of charities now, they will accept Bitcoin.

01:32:20.000 And why is that good?

01:32:21.000 Because people have Bitcoin, and I have some Bitcoin.

01:32:24.000 You know, I've been saving my Bitcoin for a long time.

01:32:27.000 Instead of selling it, to which I then have to pay capital gains over the difference between what I bought it for and sold it at, I can give it to the charity.

01:32:34.000 I can still take my tax-deductible write-off.

01:32:37.000 They can do one of two things.

01:32:40.000 Convert it right away into dollars.

01:32:41.000 No capital gains because it's the same minute.

01:32:44.000 So I've actually been able to give more than I would have.

01:32:48.000 Or they can sell some of it and hold some of it for a longer term.

01:32:53.000 I really, really believe in Bitcoin and what we're seeing now.

01:32:58.000 There is something interesting going on.

01:33:01.000 Our dollar is in big, big trouble.

01:33:03.000 And President Trump knows this.

01:33:05.000 This falls into kind of the tariffs talk.

01:33:10.000 Have you heard about stablecoins?

01:33:12.000 No.

01:33:13.000 Do you mind if I just give it a little?

01:33:15.000 Our monetary system, it really started after World War II, 1944. We were nearing the end of the war.

01:33:22.000 D-Day was coming.

01:33:23.000 Maybe it just happened.

01:33:24.000 We're getting pretty close.

01:33:26.000 And Europe, in particular, was very worried that after the war, they would fall into the same Great Depression that happened after World War I, when we had the Great Depression.

01:33:36.000 So they brought in all the economists and all the money.

01:33:40.000 and people got on the Queen Mary and went to the States to Bretton Woods.

01:33:44.000 You've heard of Bretton Woods probably.

01:33:45.000 No.

01:33:45.000 The Bretton Woods system?

01:33:47.000 Okay.

01:33:47.000 So Bretton Woods is just this resort.

01:33:49.000 They all got together and they decided that they would have a new monetary system for the entire world.

01:33:55.000 I'm not an economist, but I've looked at this long enough to understand it.

01:33:58.000 And when they came out after two weeks, they said, okay, we're going to have this thing called the International Monetary Fund, the IMF, and they're going to...

01:34:08.000 Managed the interest rates, or they managed the currency exchange between all the individual countries with the U.S. dollar as the reserve currency.

01:34:17.000 So we became the money of the world, and we back it by gold.

01:34:21.000 And the idea was $1 could always be exchanged for 35 ounces of gold.

01:34:29.000 When you're the reserve currency, everyone has to have the dollar.

01:34:32.000 So everybody wanted our dollar.

01:34:34.000 What did we do?

01:34:35.000 We signed the Marshall Plan.

01:34:37.000 We sent tens, just billions of dollars over.

01:34:40.000 All our companies went into Europe, started building factories.

01:34:45.000 So the dollar kept going in.

01:34:47.000 All these other currencies kind of came a little bit weaker because we were so strong with our money.

01:34:53.000 And then people got a little worried about the dollar.

01:34:55.000 They looked around and went like, hey, do you guys have the goal to back that up in Fort Knox?

01:34:59.000 Of course we didn't because we just kept printing money and sending it over.

01:35:02.000 And then you get into this thing called the Triffin Dilemma.

01:35:06.000 And that means that...

01:35:08.000 When you are the reserve currency, your currency is basically overvalued and you can't export anything.

01:35:15.000 I'm skipping over a lot, but that's where we are today.

01:35:18.000 Our products are too expensive to ship to China and sell in China because of the value of our dollar.

01:35:24.000 This is why President Trump is saying, All our money is flowing out towards you.

01:35:30.000 We need to get some of that back, so we're going to raise tariffs.

01:35:33.000 I think it's a short-term solution.

01:35:36.000 So I think two things will happen.

01:35:39.000 One is we have this sovereign wealth fund, which you've heard him talk about, the sovereign wealth fund.

01:35:45.000 So in that will be the value of our public land that the government owns and all kinds of other things.

01:35:53.000 It'll be valued at this astronomical amount.

01:35:55.000 And in that will also be the strategic Bitcoin reserve that the president promised.

01:36:01.000 Now we get stable coins.

01:36:03.000 This is a crazy, crazy thing that's happened.

01:36:07.000 So a stablecoin is a digital dollar.

01:36:10.000 It's pegged to the dollar, so it's always a dollar.

01:36:12.000 And you can pay with this through the internet, through apps and everything.

01:36:16.000 It's already being used all over the world.

01:36:19.000 The only reason it's worth a dollar is because the stablecoin company that creates it, they have debt and paper to back it up.

01:36:28.000 So they buy America's debt, they get treasury bonds or T-bills, which actually pays a dividend.

01:36:37.000 So you get interest on that.

01:36:39.000 And for each dollar they have bought in treasuries, they can create a stablecoin.

01:36:44.000 So if you look at the company Tether, they have bought more of the United States debt than most countries.

01:36:52.000 They have $160 billion worth of U.S. debt, and for each of those dollars, they've created a stablecoin, which now people can use all over the world transacting.

01:37:04.000 And what's their business?

01:37:05.000 There's like 50 people in the company.

01:37:07.000 So they have $160 billion at 4% interest annually.

01:37:12.000 They're making bank just for holding this debt.

01:37:16.000 So I think President Trump is very smart, and he's seen that we can flood the world with our stablecoin, and you kind of get a two-for-one.

01:37:26.000 You create a dollar of debt, but then you create another dollar on top that can be used all over the world as the reserve currency.

01:37:34.000 And that should probably result in, I don't know, the Mar-a-Lago Accord or some new monetary system that we're going to have to come up with to really have our dollar be valued properly, but also still remain the reserve currency and remain the strong export country that we need to be.

01:37:54.000 What do we do?

01:37:56.000 We don't make anything that we sell abroad.

01:37:59.000 We can't all be serving each other burgers and fries and washing each other's cars and cleaning each other's homes.

01:38:06.000 We have to build something.

01:38:08.000 And all of that went overseas.

01:38:10.000 Everything.

01:38:11.000 Everything we got.

01:38:12.000 All of the stuff on this table.

01:38:13.000 This, you know, it didn't come out of his butt.

01:38:15.000 This is from China.

01:38:18.000 Although, I don't know.

01:38:22.000 So there's something big coming, really big, and it has to happen.

01:38:27.000 And Trump is a very meta guy.

01:38:30.000 People misunderstand.

01:38:32.000 He's going to refi the country.

01:38:34.000 He's a real estate guy.

01:38:35.000 He's going to figure out a way to refi it, and it'll be digital.

01:38:40.000 And a lot of the Bitcoiners don't like this because they like Bitcoin to be the money that the whole world uses.

01:38:46.000 You know, that may one day happen, but, you know, now it's more like the digital gold.

01:38:52.000 You know, you can keep your value in it.

01:38:55.000 And, you know, I can send a billion dollars.

01:38:56.000 If I had it, I could send a billion dollars to another country, to another person in 10 minutes.

01:39:01.000 And, you know, no one can stop me.

01:39:04.000 So it's a very useful tool, but it hasn't quite turned out to be money or currency the way it was originally intended.

01:39:11.000 But it's going to be a very important part of it.

01:39:14.000 I think you'll see Bitcoin be a part of that strategic reserve.

01:39:18.000 It's easier than sending gold, you know, than, oh, I'm going to ship you a billion dollars worth of gold.

01:39:23.000 I need, you know, armored cars.

01:39:25.000 I need dudes, everything.

01:39:27.000 Security and ships and whatever.

01:39:30.000 So it'll be a part of it, and you'll still be able to use it between people.

01:39:37.000 But it looks to me like Stablecoin, Tether in particular, is going to be the future of the U.S. dollar payments.

01:39:47.000 And this is where a lot of people on the right, certainly, are very afraid of.

01:39:54.000 Control grid, you know, because a stable coin is not necessarily like Bitcoin.

01:39:59.000 You can stop it.

01:40:00.000 You can control it.

01:40:01.000 You can see who sent what to whom.

01:40:03.000 There's a lot of fear about this.

01:40:05.000 And particularly, although I don't see any maliciousness, there's fear that Elon and the PayPal mafia and Peter Thiel, all guys you've met, all guys you've had on the show, I think are actually quite nice people.

01:40:17.000 That they're going to bring in the new with AI and we're all going to be locked in.

01:40:23.000 Stargate will bring cancer mRNA vaccines that will be mandated.

01:40:28.000 I mean, people are spinning up over this stuff.

01:40:31.000 And I'm not saying that they're necessarily wrong or there should be no concern, but we are moving towards a digital dollar, and it will have aspects of control, which is why I like the backup of Bitcoin, so I can still...

01:40:44.000 Transact and do things without anybody being able to stop it.

01:40:48.000 And you're gonna get none of that with a shit coin.

01:40:50.000 Nothing.

01:40:51.000 When FTX, that scandal, what were they trading in?

01:40:55.000 Was that all meme coins?

01:40:56.000 Was that different cryptos?

01:40:58.000 Is there a difference between meme coins and established crypto coins?

01:41:02.000 Well, an established...

01:41:04.000 Anything but Bitcoin has someone who can change the ledger, who can change the blockchain.

01:41:11.000 Bitcoin, you can't do that.

01:41:13.000 It's a beautiful system.

01:41:15.000 The checks and balances are immutable.

01:41:18.000 I mean, that's the beauty of Bitcoin.

01:41:21.000 Any other blockchain that is owned or operated by a company or people can be and will be manipulated.

01:41:29.000 And FTX was one of those.

01:41:32.000 What I believe FTX was really used for was slush fund into Democrat Party and politicians, not just, also to some Republicans as well.

01:41:41.000 That kid, that Sam Bankman-Fried, he got abused by his parents, I think.

01:41:45.000 I'm just alleging this.

01:41:47.000 I don't want to get sued over it.

01:41:48.000 But when you see what was going on there and the money that was just being...

01:41:53.000 You know, slushed right through into different foundations.

01:41:56.000 Those parents were democratic operatives, right?

01:41:57.000 Big time.

01:41:58.000 They had non-profits and all kinds of...

01:42:01.000 And he was the number two donor to the Democratic Party.

01:42:03.000 That's right.

01:42:04.000 And you're doing that to kind of...

01:42:07.000 Buy your way through this shenanigans.

01:42:08.000 That's what it seemed like to me, yeah.

01:42:10.000 Because you're doing shenanigans.

01:42:11.000 Big time.

01:42:12.000 And they're all also doing amphetamines and polyamorous relationships in the Bahamas.

01:42:17.000 It's a polycule, Joe.

01:42:19.000 It's just a polycule.

01:42:21.000 I mean, it was sad for these kids because they were just all excited and doing stuff.

01:42:28.000 I mean, I've been in...

01:42:30.000 I've raised money from Kleiner Perkins and Sequoia Capital, and when you get them all googly-gaga over, oh, this guy was so cool, he was sitting in the pitch meeting, and he was playing a video game, but he's such a genius!

01:42:44.000 I mean, what?

01:42:45.000 Are you kidding me?

01:42:46.000 Venture capital investors are not necessarily the most sophisticated.

01:42:51.000 Well, they want results, and if they're getting results, they'll put on the blinders.

01:42:56.000 I was just reading about Elizabeth Holmes.

01:42:59.000 Oh, yeah.

01:42:59.000 I love that story.

01:43:01.000 She got screwed.

01:43:02.000 She got screwed?

01:43:03.000 Oh, yeah.

01:43:04.000 How so?

01:43:04.000 Well, okay.

01:43:07.000 So...

01:43:07.000 She was in a situation where the so-called smartest investors in the world, which included Colin Powell, and everyone was in on this deal.

01:43:17.000 Everyone's like, you've got to get your money in now.

01:43:19.000 Bring everybody in.

01:43:21.000 We've got this big fund.

01:43:22.000 This is going to be it.

01:43:22.000 This is the blood test.

01:43:23.000 It'll change medicine.

01:43:25.000 And they hyped her up.

01:43:27.000 They put her in the magazines.

01:43:29.000 She was looking like the female Steve Jobs.

01:43:32.000 And she got caught up in it.

01:43:35.000 And falsify.

01:43:36.000 But you're taking agency away from her.

01:43:37.000 She changed her voice.

01:43:39.000 She started dressing like Steve Jobs.

01:43:40.000 She started lying about results.

01:43:42.000 She fired people that didn't go along with it.

01:43:45.000 Yes.

01:43:46.000 But does she deserve to go to jail for 10 years for ripping off people who were stupid?

01:43:51.000 Yes.

01:43:52.000 Really?

01:43:52.000 Well, you can't rip people off.

01:43:54.000 I think you have restitution and things that you can do.

01:43:58.000 Hundreds of millions of dollars people lost.

01:44:01.000 Like, that's not restitution.

01:44:02.000 You don't have that money.

01:44:03.000 You're not going to pay it back because your product sucks.

01:44:05.000 So they've dumped all this money and lost.

01:44:07.000 It's a civil crime, and there's definitely some blame on the investors, but the investors were too big to look stupid.

01:44:17.000 So I think they pushed a little bit more on her than she does.

01:44:20.000 I'm not trying to defend her false vacation.

01:44:23.000 Do you think she should go to jail at all?

01:44:24.000 Yeah, but not for 10 years.

01:44:25.000 How long?

01:44:26.000 A couple days?

01:44:27.000 Yeah, just a couple days.

01:44:27.000 Just enough to transition, Joe.

01:44:30.000 Just enough to become a dude and then we're good to go.

01:44:35.000 It's just another example of big money being stupid.

01:44:41.000 Maybe they could just admit that.

01:44:43.000 They pushed her.

01:44:45.000 I know how it goes.

01:44:46.000 I remember we had a pod show.

01:44:50.000 Which was a lot of sophisticated investors, Kleiner and Sequoia.

01:44:55.000 Same people, Elon.

01:44:57.000 I met Elon when they launched Tesla.

01:45:01.000 I was at the hangar where they did the first test drives.

01:45:04.000 It was interesting.

01:45:07.000 And I was like, this guy seems like on the spectrum.

01:45:10.000 He's not really talking much.

01:45:11.000 It's like, what's going on here?

01:45:14.000 What's happening with this?

01:45:17.000 And, you know, so we were doing podcasting, so this is right after, maybe a year after Steve Jobs put it into iTunes and the iPod, and so there was money coming in, and, you know, the first thing they said is, you've got to be in San Francisco.

01:45:32.000 Well, if you want a media company, where's the last place you want to be is San Francisco?

01:45:36.000 You need to be L.A. or New York.

01:45:37.000 No, no, no, you've got to be here.

01:45:39.000 Why did they want you to be in San Francisco?

01:45:41.000 So they could come and see the office and check out the operation and make sure their money's being spent well.

01:45:48.000 How often are they going to visit?

01:45:50.000 Oh, you have no idea.

01:45:51.000 They're always dropping by, like, what's going on?

01:45:54.000 And so you're doing reports.

01:45:55.000 No, they just want to hang out with the cool guy.

01:45:57.000 Well, that too, maybe.

01:45:58.000 But then, you know, it was definitely a struggle.

01:46:02.000 We were actually...

01:46:03.000 Kind of profitable for a bit there, but it was, you know, like GoDaddy ads with promo codes.

01:46:09.000 You know, Code Bongino!

01:46:11.000 I mean, it was like, you know, it was like, yeah, are people really listening?

01:46:15.000 Are they just using the codes?

01:46:17.000 And there's always a lot of scams.

01:46:20.000 Like the honey scam?

01:46:21.000 Well, no, not like that.

01:46:23.000 No, there's scams of, you know...

01:46:26.000 We didn't do this, but when companies need to raise more money in Silicon Valley, then they'll buy some traffic from bots.

01:46:32.000 And I'm sure it happens with comedy videos, too.

01:46:35.000 People are like, I need some traffic on this video, let me buy some bots on something.

01:46:38.000 Oh, you definitely can do that, right?

01:46:39.000 Right, of course.

01:46:41.000 But then at a certain point, YouTube had come out.

01:46:46.000 Oh, YouTube.

01:46:47.000 Everyone has to do video now.

01:46:48.000 You've got to do video.

01:46:49.000 You can't do audio.

01:46:50.000 You've got to do video.

01:46:50.000 And then it got even worse.

01:46:52.000 We sat in a board meeting like, have you seen Joost?

01:46:56.000 I'm like, do you remember Joost?

01:46:58.000 J-O-O-S-T? Oh, yeah.

01:47:00.000 What was that?

01:47:00.000 It was the guys who built Skype.

01:47:02.000 They built this video platform that was basically a peer-to-peer streaming television shows.

01:47:08.000 And there was no doubt about it.

01:47:10.000 You've got to go video, be more like Juiced, make your interface like Juiced.

01:47:15.000 So at a certain point, you're like, well, what am I going to do?

01:47:18.000 Am I going to risk running out of money?

01:47:20.000 Am I going to listen to what they say?

01:47:22.000 Do they really know what they're talking about?

01:47:24.000 And ultimately, the company ran for 10 years and no one exited.

01:47:29.000 It just kind of got folded into other things.

01:47:31.000 So it was not a great investment of their money or my time, honestly.

01:47:36.000 Well, it's kind of amazing that the big video platform is still just YouTube.

01:47:40.000 You know, YouTube just passed.

01:47:42.000 Netflix now is the most watched thing on television.

01:47:44.000 Oh, they're not even counted in the streaming data, in the streaming wars.

01:47:49.000 But yeah, they're the big...

01:47:50.000 I have YouTube TV. I cut the cable.

01:47:52.000 I don't have cable anymore.

01:47:54.000 I watch YouTube on TV more than I watch anything.

01:47:57.000 Because there's so much variety.

01:47:58.000 There's so many different things you can search.

01:48:00.000 The fact that you could essentially find anything...

01:48:03.000 If I'm interested in some particular region of the world of ancient history, I just...

01:48:09.000 Punch that into YouTube, and I have hundreds, if not thousands, of videos on it.

01:48:14.000 It took them a long time, I think, to make that profitable inside of Google, because if you see how many videos are being uploaded daily and transformed into digital video, and, I mean, it's crazy the amount of computation that goes into YouTube and the amount of bandwidth that is being sent.

01:48:34.000 So I think it took a long time.

01:48:36.000 They never really reported the numbers.

01:48:38.000 We've done that in the past couple of years with how much revenue.

01:48:41.000 Now, of course, YouTube is making bank.

01:48:43.000 I mean, it's really – it's an incredible system.

01:48:45.000 It's shocking that no one has come up with anything even remotely close.

01:48:48.000 It would take too much money.

01:48:50.000 It's so much investment that goes into doing that.

01:48:53.000 It's a lot.

01:48:55.000 I mean, you remember your bandwidth cost back in the day pre-Spotify.

01:48:58.000 You know, think how do you solve that when you have 100 million videos being posted every single day?

01:49:04.000 Yeah, you can't.

01:49:05.000 I mean, it's insane.

01:49:05.000 You'd have to have billions of dollars.

01:49:08.000 And then you're still struggling to get people to use your app.

01:49:12.000 Like, you remember that one company that came up?

01:49:15.000 Was it Quibi?

01:49:16.000 What was it?

01:49:17.000 Yes.

01:49:18.000 Was that what it was?

01:49:19.000 They spent so much money.

01:49:20.000 Was it Katzenberg?

01:49:22.000 Katzenberg and...

01:49:23.000 I do not remember.

01:49:24.000 It was a Hollywood thing.

01:49:25.000 It was Quibi.

01:49:26.000 It was a Hollywood thing.

01:49:26.000 I think it was Quibi, Jamie.

01:49:27.000 And they got a bunch of famous people to do short videos.

01:49:30.000 Short drama.

01:49:31.000 Yeah.

01:49:32.000 And they put $2 billion in and...

01:49:34.000 Yeah.

01:49:35.000 Gone.

01:49:35.000 They blew it real quick.

01:49:37.000 Because you can't...

01:49:39.000 You can't manufacture something that goes viral.

01:49:42.000 No, you can't.

01:49:43.000 And that's...

01:49:44.000 Kind of like TikTok.

01:49:46.000 We talked about TikTok last time, I think, when I was here.

01:49:49.000 And, you know, obviously it's not an issue now that China is spying through TikTok because it's still here.

01:49:53.000 I think, as I told you then, I think it's because they were eating Silicon Valley's lunch, you know, doing $4 billion, taking away revenue from them.

01:50:02.000 And just looking at the people who sponsored the bill, it seemed like they had a lot of donations from Google and Amazon.

01:50:10.000 You know, that just seemed to me like there might be some issues.

01:50:14.000 But what people misunderstand about TikTok is it's not just about the videos and the format and how it flies by.

01:50:24.000 It's about the shop.

01:50:25.000 The shop is their magic sauce.

01:50:29.000 If you look at the back end...

01:50:31.000 The influencers who get paid on TikTok, they have this whole back end with rankings and who sold more stuff.

01:50:40.000 Half the videos on TikTok, once you get out of your algo, half of them are about products.

01:50:44.000 And people are just selling products.

01:50:47.000 And it's all from China and it's all been coming in under the $800 de minimis.

01:50:53.000 Tax regulation.

01:50:55.000 So there's no import duty or anything paid on it.

01:50:58.000 They actually have, I think, Timu now has warehouses in America.

01:51:02.000 So it's just Chinese crap that we're buying over and over again.

01:51:06.000 It's wildly successful.

01:51:07.000 It's not really about the ads.

01:51:10.000 Do you get ads on TikTok?

01:51:12.000 A lot of ads?

01:51:12.000 I don't use TikTok.

01:51:13.000 Okay, good.

01:51:14.000 Yeah.

01:51:15.000 So when it was going to go away, I'm like, I got to get this app.

01:51:18.000 I got to see what happens.

01:51:20.000 You know, I was like, this is going to be crazy.

01:51:21.000 So I get the app and I'm using my Graphene OS phone so I can lock off all access.

01:51:28.000 All it had was my location.

01:51:29.000 Can't hide that from the IP address and my name.

01:51:33.000 You can get TikTok on a Graphene phone?

01:51:35.000 Yeah.

01:51:36.000 Oh, yeah.

01:51:36.000 And you can actually block it from accessing your contacts.

01:51:39.000 But still, that was too much for you.

01:51:41.000 You had to go to a flip phone.

01:51:42.000 That's interesting.

01:51:43.000 Well, that was my, it's my experimental thing.

01:51:46.000 And so all it knew was Adam Curry in the Hill Country.

01:51:49.000 And it went, I think it went, Curry, black name, Hill Country, there's probably about 50 churches where he is.

01:51:57.000 Boom, right away, I'm getting black preachers, hellstone, brim, oh yeah, and it's just like, and on and on and on.

01:52:04.000 It's been phenomenal.

01:52:05.000 And some of these guys are pretty good.

01:52:08.000 The ones that fall back, you know, and the guy catches them every single time.

01:52:12.000 And so their algorithm is just give that person more of what they want.

01:52:17.000 They're not trying to do like us, like meta or I'm not sure about X how that works, but let me inject some people who are against it or have a counter argument.

01:52:30.000 Like when I was on the last time and I talked about my coming to Jesus.

01:52:35.000 Dude, there were TikTok videos with millions of views of just this one bit.

01:52:41.000 And if you looked at it one time, you get the same over and over again.

01:52:46.000 You get all kinds of Jesus stuff back and forth.

01:52:48.000 That's all.

01:52:49.000 Not anyone going...

01:52:50.000 Yeah, you guys are crazy!

01:52:52.000 You know, this is no good.

01:52:53.000 None of that.

01:52:54.000 So it's a very friendly...

01:52:56.000 It's kind of the Chinese model.

01:52:57.000 It's like, give people what they want and don't try to interject them or spin them up or get them angry and then throw an ad in their face when they're all emotional.

01:53:06.000 So it's very different.

01:53:07.000 It's a very different concept.

01:53:08.000 I don't know if it'll be worth anything to anyone buying it unless you have the shop portion.

01:53:13.000 Without that, I don't know.

01:53:15.000 Don't you think they'd have all that too?

01:53:17.000 You gotta have the products.

01:53:20.000 You gotta have the cheap Chinese products.

01:53:22.000 That's the problem.

01:53:24.000 Do you have that stuff?

01:53:25.000 You'd have to be buying them from China.

01:53:28.000 It's fun for us.

01:53:31.000 Different crazy people.

01:53:33.000 Dvorak uses it all the time.

01:53:35.000 He's in an algo of just nut jobs.

01:53:38.000 He's like, blue hair, look at this!

01:53:40.000 He plays clips on the show.

01:53:42.000 I'm like, dude, you gotta do something else with your life during the day.

01:53:45.000 It's just amazing how many of those...

01:53:47.000 Those kooky people are getting so much traction and that was the thought that it was a Chinese psyop that they were accentuating all these people and that was like ruining the culture of America because it was showing you all these Blue-haired psychopaths with beards and lipstick and nail polish.

01:54:03.000 So I heard the same thing.

01:54:05.000 I heard people saying, dude, you're wrong.

01:54:08.000 They want to get rid of TikTok because that's where MAGA lives.

01:54:11.000 I'm like, huh?

01:54:13.000 Because that's all they got.

01:54:15.000 They got MAGA. Because that's what offends them.

01:54:18.000 Exactly.

01:54:19.000 So it's very social media.

01:54:23.000 The internet in general was kind of a bad idea.

01:54:26.000 It's good for many people.

01:54:28.000 Why would you say it's a bad idea, though?

01:54:34.000 I think it's a great idea.

01:54:36.000 Well...

01:54:36.000 I mean, you were just talking about to shift the balance of information.

01:54:40.000 Because of the psyops.

01:54:41.000 If we're not aware of the psyops, you know, the DARPA, the Defense Agency Research Project...

01:54:47.000 Agency.

01:54:47.000 Agency?

01:54:49.000 I had too many agencies in there.

01:54:51.000 DARPA. Since the 70s, they've been...

01:54:54.000 Looking at social networks.

01:54:56.000 And really, there's a guy, he came up with the law of large numbers.

01:55:01.000 And they figured out that in a computer network, regardless of the content, depending on if you have enough nodes, you can predict where the information will flow.

01:55:12.000 So if I'm talking about something here, if they...

01:55:17.000 Boost the right nodes, they can predict where that information will go.

01:55:21.000 I don't think even Elon can stop that from happening.

01:55:26.000 It's not an algorithm thing.

01:55:27.000 It's literally like a law of nature thing.

01:55:30.000 That's the way it will flow, and you can start injecting things to the right nodes, and you'll propagate some message.

01:55:39.000 I think it's happening all the time, everywhere.

01:55:44.000 Once you start looking, it's like, well, where's...

01:55:46.000 Where's that coming from?

01:55:47.000 Well, I think we need to educate people on how to digest social media.

01:55:55.000 And I think you should treat it the same way you treat junk food.

01:56:00.000 And I think there's certain aspects of social media that are really interesting, and I like them.

01:56:05.000 I mean, most of what I get on social media is what my friends send me.

01:56:10.000 So that's how I do it.

01:56:11.000 And this is how I stay sane.

01:56:14.000 It's like my friends send me wacky things and I go, oh my god, what is this?

01:56:17.000 Me and my friend, Christina Prasitsky, she sends me the nuttiest trans activists screaming and nutty guys who think that they're women.

01:56:27.000 And then me and Tom Segura, we exchange murder videos.

01:56:32.000 Murder and car accidents and animal attacks.

01:56:37.000 And then, you know...

01:56:39.000 Or breakfast?

01:56:40.000 No.

01:56:41.000 I try not to in the morning, but sometimes I have to check my text message because I have business stuff.

01:56:46.000 I have things going on, you know, guests and this and that.

01:56:50.000 So I do check, but, you know, it's very intoxicating to just sit there on the toilet and just start scrolling.

01:56:56.000 Toilet scroller.

01:56:57.000 But you gotta...

01:56:58.000 You know, you've got to develop discipline.

01:57:00.000 And discipline's important for every aspect of your life.

01:57:03.000 You have to know, like, when you've had too much.

01:57:05.000 But that's not easy for young kids.

01:57:08.000 Right.

01:57:08.000 It's not.

01:57:09.000 But I think they can learn just like they've learned everything else in this world.

01:57:12.000 But you need parental guidance and most of the parents are hooked on it themselves.

01:57:16.000 Well, I think they need a message, you know.

01:57:18.000 And I think this conversation is part of that message.

01:57:20.000 You know, I think kids need to realize, like, you are wasting time.

01:57:24.000 If you spend two hours just scrolling through TikTok, you have wasted time.

01:57:28.000 And there's stuff that you probably should be doing.

01:57:30.000 And you're going to be depressed if you don't do those things.

01:57:33.000 You're going to feel weird.

01:57:34.000 You're not going to feel satisfied.

01:57:35.000 You're not going to feel like you're on a good path.

01:57:37.000 You're going to not have a lot of...

01:57:40.000 Respect for yourself.

01:57:42.000 If you just sit on the couch all day and scroll through TikTok, which many people listening to this have done.

01:57:48.000 A whole day.

01:57:49.000 Just sitting there, eating chips, scrolling through TikTok, and just wasting your day.

01:57:54.000 That is possible to do.

01:57:56.000 I think there's ways that you can incorporate it into your life where it's interesting.

01:58:03.000 And I've got good algorithms now, especially on YouTube.

01:58:08.000 But pretty good algorithms on Instagram too, where most of the stuff it's showing me is stuff I'm actually interested in.

01:58:15.000 Do you get those videos when you're interested in a topic and then there'll be like five different videos that are being suggested to you and about five minutes in you're like, this is just an AI voice that's cobbled a whole bunch of old things together and it's a new version of it and I'm not learning anything?

01:58:30.000 There's a lot of that.

01:58:32.000 There's always those too.

01:58:33.000 I think YouTube is the best.

01:58:35.000 Because, like, I'm interested in specific subjects, right?

01:58:38.000 Like, I'm a car nut.

01:58:39.000 I love old cars in particular.

01:58:41.000 This, by the way, lots of people love restored things.

01:58:47.000 People love restored cars.

01:58:49.000 We love...

01:58:50.000 You have...

01:58:51.000 I think...

01:58:51.000 Do you still have your car?

01:58:52.000 Which one?

01:58:53.000 The Corvette?

01:58:54.000 Oh, yeah.

01:58:55.000 I mean, beautifully restored.

01:58:57.000 Just peak...

01:58:58.000 Last time I saw it, which was, I think, in LA. Oh, it's gorgeous.

01:59:00.000 Yeah.

01:59:01.000 This is what I think...

01:59:03.000 The president is doing.

01:59:04.000 He's trying to restore us back to being that great American muscle car.

01:59:10.000 And I think people, everybody loves a beautiful restored muscle car.

01:59:14.000 You know what I mean?

01:59:15.000 Well, America's making real muscle cars right now.

01:59:18.000 Like, this is one of the rare times where America's got very exciting automobiles that are out now.

01:59:25.000 We've talked a bunch of times about the Corvette ZR1, which is breaking all these laps.

01:59:30.000 Is that the mid-engine?

01:59:31.000 It's the mid-engine, 1,000-horsepower Corvette.

01:59:36.000 Tina won't let me buy one.

01:59:38.000 I'm like, why not?

01:59:40.000 You gotta put your foot down.

01:59:41.000 No, no, I'm good.

01:59:43.000 I'm good.

01:59:43.000 Mommy tells you what to do.

01:59:45.000 No, no, no.

01:59:46.000 She's like, that's a douchebag car.

01:59:48.000 For me, it would be kind of douchey.

01:59:49.000 Why?

01:59:51.000 It's awesome.

01:59:52.000 Don't think that way.

01:59:53.000 That's silly.

01:59:54.000 Ever since I started flying 350 miles an hour, I don't care about how fast they go on the ground, Joe.

01:59:59.000 It's not even how fast you go.

02:00:00.000 But that's why I like old cars, because it's not even how fast they go.

02:00:04.000 I had a C5, though.

02:00:05.000 I did have a...

02:00:05.000 Those are cool.

02:00:07.000 They're a little shitty, actually.

02:00:09.000 They really got good around C7. C7 was nasty.

02:00:12.000 That heads-up display was cool, though.

02:00:14.000 Oh, C5 had a heads-up display?

02:00:15.000 Yeah, it had a heads-up display.

02:00:16.000 Look at that.

02:00:17.000 That's the new one.

02:00:17.000 That's the ZR1. Come on, son.

02:00:19.000 That is not a douchebag car.

02:00:20.000 That's a goddamn American work of art.

02:00:23.000 That's a fucking American work of art.

02:00:25.000 Yeah, that's nice.

02:00:26.000 Can I get my dog in it, though?

02:00:28.000 Look at that.

02:00:28.000 How big is your dog?

02:00:30.000 95 pounds.

02:00:31.000 What is he?

02:00:32.000 She is a...

02:00:33.000 She, sorry.

02:00:35.000 Pyrenees Akbash Rescue Mutt.

02:00:37.000 Oh, that's cute.

02:00:38.000 Completely white.

02:00:39.000 I didn't mean to misgender your dog.

02:00:40.000 Yeah, she's very angry.

02:00:41.000 Look how awesome that looks, man.

02:00:43.000 You don't have to take your dog everywhere.

02:00:44.000 Reward yourself, Adam Curry.

02:00:46.000 You're the podfather.

02:00:47.000 Get a fucking Corvette.

02:00:49.000 Look at that thing.

02:00:50.000 That's beautiful.

02:00:51.000 It's a cockpit inside of that thing.

02:00:52.000 That is beautiful.

02:00:53.000 And the performance of that is unparalleled.

02:00:55.000 It's an amazing automobile.

02:00:56.000 A friend of mine, he just, because he's a real American car nut.

02:01:01.000 Real American hero.

02:01:02.000 He just bought a...

02:01:03.000 Look at that.

02:01:04.000 A Tesla Model 3. Look at that.

02:01:06.000 And he bought it for the autopilot.

02:01:08.000 He says, I wish this came in 16-cylinder, you know, multi-turbo.

02:01:12.000 Oh, yeah.

02:01:13.000 But he says the autopilot, he just loves that.

02:01:16.000 He loves the autopilot.

02:01:18.000 I have an S, the Plaid.

02:01:20.000 I have a Plaid Tesla, the four-door larger sedan.

02:01:23.000 Does it have the autopilot?

02:01:24.000 Yeah.

02:01:25.000 Full self-drive?

02:01:25.000 It's incredible.

02:01:26.000 It's incredible.

02:01:27.000 I don't use it that much.

02:01:28.000 I like to drive.

02:01:29.000 But just the capability of the car is amazing.

02:01:31.000 Yeah.

02:01:32.000 The speed and the effortlessness in which it merges with traffic and just takes off.

02:01:37.000 With no sound.

02:01:38.000 It's beautiful, man.

02:01:40.000 It's beautiful.

02:01:40.000 Yeah.

02:01:41.000 But it's different.

02:01:42.000 So I like old, air-cooled Porsches.

02:01:45.000 I had a 911 a long time ago.

02:01:48.000 They're not fast.

02:01:48.000 They're not fast compared.

02:01:49.000 Did you have a manual?

02:01:50.000 Manual?

02:01:51.000 Yeah, always.

02:01:52.000 The truck clutch, like, you gotta push that thing in.

02:01:55.000 Well, they're floor-mounted, too.

02:01:57.000 They're different.

02:01:57.000 The old Porsches are different.

02:01:59.000 But what they are is a physical experience.

02:02:04.000 It's like a ride.

02:02:05.000 It's a fun, exhilarating experience where you hear the...

02:02:10.000 You hear the engine, you're shifting the gears yourself.

02:02:13.000 It's exciting and engaging.

02:02:14.000 And that is more important to me sometimes than just speed.

02:02:18.000 I don't need to go fast.

02:02:20.000 It's not even about going fast.

02:02:21.000 It's the whole experience.

02:02:24.000 Yeah, you're feeling the rear end break a little with your ass.

02:02:27.000 Can't do that anymore in these modern cars, man.

02:02:29.000 It doesn't work anymore.

02:02:31.000 We used to put Porsche engines into VW buses back in the day.

02:02:34.000 That was awesome.

02:02:37.000 You can fit it in a...

02:02:39.000 Beetle, too.

02:02:40.000 You can fit a Porsche engine into a boat.

02:02:42.000 Oh, yeah.

02:02:42.000 A lot of people have done crazy Beetle transformations where they've hyped up Porsche engines and put them in the back of those things.

02:02:48.000 Yeah.

02:02:49.000 There's a whole, like, modding community of Beetle freaks that take Beetles.

02:02:53.000 They're Volkswagen.

02:02:55.000 They're Volkswagen.

02:02:56.000 Remember how many there were in the 70s coming in from Germany?

02:02:59.000 We all had a...

02:03:00.000 I had a 1303. I loved my Beetle.

02:03:02.000 It was the best.

02:03:03.000 Yeah, when I was a kid, my friend Jimmy had one.

02:03:04.000 He had a Beetle.

02:03:06.000 It was just cheap on gas.

02:03:08.000 It was easy to drive.

02:03:09.000 Mine was, like, I had to jumpstart it because the lock had broken.

02:03:15.000 So you jumpstarted it every time you got in?

02:03:17.000 You jumpstarted it every time you got in, and then I'd lost my gas cap, and so I just had a rag in there.

02:03:21.000 Oh, God.

02:03:22.000 And if I went...

02:03:23.000 Around the highway to the right, and if my tank was too full, then gas would leak out and my front tire would start to slide off.

02:03:31.000 Oh, Jesus.

02:03:32.000 Back when we were 18, you know, just like, eh, gotta drive this thing.

02:03:37.000 It was great.

02:03:38.000 I loved...

02:03:38.000 That was a good...

02:03:39.000 We weren't scrolling on TikTok, Joe Rogan.

02:03:42.000 We were doing dangerous stuff.

02:03:44.000 That's true.

02:03:44.000 We were jump-starting our cars.

02:03:46.000 Well, I think we're lucky that we've seen both.

02:03:49.000 We grew up in a time where there was no internet, and you were going outside to do things, and people did physical activities.

02:03:57.000 But then as we got older, we recognized that there's this new technology that's connecting the whole world in this weird way, and we're getting to experience it as people who know the world before that.

02:04:07.000 I think we're real lucky.

02:04:09.000 Well, you're a big part of a change, certainly, in young men.

02:04:12.000 I mean, I've seen so many young men who follow you and follow your workout regime.

02:04:19.000 Listen to you.

02:04:20.000 They listen to you about what you're saying about health, about food, and you're an important voice in that regard.

02:04:27.000 You've really, really helped a lot of young men in our country and far beyond.

02:04:32.000 I mean, I know you don't take compliments like this well, but it's very important what you've done.

02:04:37.000 But I'm very happy.

02:04:38.000 Very, very important what you're doing.

02:04:40.000 There's a lot of young men that just feel like real disconnected to the world.

02:04:44.000 Nothing seems to be anything that is interesting.

02:04:52.000 You know, there's, in the 60s, so I've been, ever since I got saved and become a believer,

02:05:10.000 I've really learned about our American history, and I've been blown away by how much Because a lot of, you know, you can talk about the 60s and when they outlawed psychedelic drugs and put it on Schedule 1. That was the exact same time when the Bible was basically taken out of school and it was, you know, and I think the church in general, you know, kind of went into itself and kind of, you know, became a thing you do over there on Sundays.

02:05:39.000 Can we pause real quick?

02:05:40.000 You got to pee?

02:05:41.000 You got to pee?

02:05:42.000 Let's pause.

02:05:43.000 We'll come back.

02:05:43.000 We'll talk about...

02:05:44.000 Jesus!

02:05:44.000 We'll be right back.

02:05:45.000 Yeah.

02:05:46.000 All right.

02:05:46.000 We're back.

02:05:47.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:05:47.000 Oh, man.

02:05:48.000 Much better, right?

02:05:49.000 Thank you.

02:05:50.000 Thank you.

02:05:50.000 So we were going to talk about the vaping thing because you were saying that there's nothing wrong with vaping.

02:05:55.000 Well, I didn't say there's nothing wrong with vaping.

02:05:58.000 So what is that?

02:05:59.000 Can I see it?

02:06:00.000 Yeah.

02:06:00.000 Can I hold it?

02:06:00.000 Yeah.

02:06:01.000 So this is a brick.

02:06:02.000 I mean, you could hurt somebody with this.

02:06:04.000 If you wanted to fuck somebody up, if you get a good grip...

02:06:07.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:06:08.000 It's like brass knuckles almost.

02:06:10.000 Like holding a roll of pennies.

02:06:12.000 Yeah.

02:06:13.000 No, you wouldn't do that.

02:06:14.000 You're going to break your hand.

02:06:14.000 That's all silly.

02:06:15.000 That's why I carry my gun.

02:06:17.000 That's probably better.

02:06:20.000 That's the battery.

02:06:21.000 This is heavy.

02:06:23.000 So when I gave up, I've always...

02:06:25.000 Can I take a pull of this?

02:06:25.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:06:26.000 How do you do it?

02:06:27.000 The top button.

02:06:27.000 Press the button?

02:06:27.000 Yeah, press it and just suck.

02:06:29.000 What is the flavor of this?

02:06:31.000 Tobacco-ish.

02:06:32.000 Tobacco-ish.

02:06:32.000 as tobacco basically so that was a little hit Yeah, you kind of got a...

02:06:42.000 You take a big one, right?

02:06:43.000 Let it warm up a little bit.

02:06:45.000 You press the button and then, yeah, there you go.

02:06:47.000 It's crackling.

02:06:48.000 Yeah, yeah, go.

02:06:48.000 Go, go, go, go.

02:06:49.000 There you go.

02:06:50.000 That's definitely different than the gas station ones.

02:06:58.000 Oh, you don't want those.

02:07:00.000 This is organic juice.

02:07:01.000 It's got 0.3% nicotine.

02:07:05.000 I wind my own coil made out of silver.

02:07:08.000 The cotton is American-made cotton, not from China.

02:07:12.000 No, I've got into this.

02:07:14.000 Cotton?

02:07:14.000 What's the cotton for?

02:07:15.000 So, if you look at the mechanism...

02:07:19.000 See?

02:07:20.000 Okay.

02:07:20.000 So the cotton sucks up the juice, and then the coil warms up.

02:07:24.000 So the cotton's like the filter?

02:07:26.000 No, the cotton has the juice in it, and then when the coil warms up, it creates the vapor from the juice that's in it.

02:07:32.000 So do you have to constantly refresh the cotton?

02:07:35.000 Yeah.

02:07:36.000 And so you just dunk your cotton in the juice?

02:07:38.000 No, no, no.

02:07:39.000 The juice is inside.

02:07:40.000 It's in the tank, yeah.

02:07:41.000 It has little wires in there, so it crawls up.

02:07:43.000 So you just put new cotton in every now and again?

02:07:45.000 Yeah.

02:07:45.000 And wind a new coil from time to time.

02:07:47.000 How long do you have to wait before you put new cotton in?

02:07:49.000 It depends.

02:07:50.000 I do it usually once every couple of days.

02:07:53.000 That doesn't give me the weird head rush that the gas station ones do.

02:07:56.000 That's Chinese crap.

02:07:57.000 That's what I like, though.

02:07:59.000 All right.

02:07:59.000 Well, good luck to you.

02:08:01.000 I would like the first hit.

02:08:03.000 That's what you like off the gas station vapes.

02:08:06.000 It's like you're chasing a dragon.

02:08:07.000 You get that first hit and you're like...

02:08:09.000 First hit's like...

02:08:11.000 So relaxing.

02:08:13.000 And then after that, you never get that again.

02:08:14.000 So I really got into this.

02:08:16.000 There was a store in Fredericksburg called Vaporlicious.

02:08:19.000 They've retired now.

02:08:20.000 They've retired.

02:08:22.000 Jerry and Kathy.

02:08:23.000 And they're two old hippies from...

02:08:25.000 Why did they make it so unwieldy?

02:08:28.000 Well, you can get all kinds of different versions, but I'm a serious user, so I need this whole battery.

02:08:33.000 I have a whole kit with me, man.

02:08:35.000 I got a screwdriver to open this up and put a new battery in.

02:08:37.000 And that doesn't fuck with your lungs or your health or anything like that?

02:08:40.000 No.

02:08:40.000 I've never felt this good.

02:08:42.000 Okay, and so this is different juice.

02:08:44.000 So what is the juice?

02:08:45.000 Because the thing about the actual oil is the issue, right?

02:08:49.000 Yeah.

02:08:49.000 And this is a thing like a lot of these cheap ones that you're buying off the gas station.

02:08:52.000 You don't know what's in there.

02:08:53.000 Right.

02:08:53.000 This is glycol, which is...

02:08:56.000 Essentially the same stuff that's in the theatrical mist machines.

02:08:59.000 Okay.

02:09:00.000 Only much watered down.

02:09:02.000 And all it does is just produce vapor.

02:09:05.000 And so what is vapor?

02:09:07.000 Well, it's mainly water.

02:09:08.000 And, of course, you're mixing it with nicotine.

02:09:11.000 And nicotine, you know, that's the piece that I've always liked.

02:09:15.000 About smoking.

02:09:17.000 But now I don't get the tar.

02:09:19.000 I don't get all other contaminants.

02:09:20.000 And I also don't get high.

02:09:22.000 I used to smoke a lot of weed.

02:09:26.000 I stopped.

02:09:27.000 I haven't felt like doing it anymore.

02:09:30.000 Like a glass of wine.

02:09:32.000 I do have gorilla grip on it.

02:09:35.000 Everywhere I go, I'm like, where's my vape?

02:09:38.000 I'm fully aware I'm addicted to more the...

02:09:43.000 The motion of it, because, oh, I mean, I would roll up, you know, I could roll them with one hand behind my back if I'm doing it so long.

02:09:51.000 So a real spliff with tobacco, with weed, and then it would go out and I'd put it down and I'd come up, pick it up again.

02:09:57.000 At a certain point, it was like three in the morning, I'd wake up like, I think I'll go roll a joint, you know, smoke a whole spliff, go back to bed.

02:10:05.000 I mean, it got to be a little, I was smoking a lot, you know, and without it.

02:10:10.000 I'm very productive, Joe.

02:10:12.000 Isn't that crazy?

02:10:13.000 I gotta tell you, I'm super productive.

02:10:15.000 I'm doing all kinds of things.

02:10:16.000 Well, nicotine is very good for productivity.

02:10:19.000 As does caffeine.

02:10:20.000 Well, those are my two drugs, you know, caffeine and nicotine.

02:10:24.000 I kind of dig it.

02:10:25.000 I really do.

02:10:26.000 They're very good for productivity.

02:10:28.000 Yeah.

02:10:28.000 Is there any bad stuff?

02:10:29.000 I mean, I know it constricts your blood flow in your mouth and in other parts probably.

02:10:35.000 I mean, obviously you're putting something in your stream, so I don't know.

02:10:39.000 But you like those pouches?

02:10:41.000 Yeah, I do.

02:10:42.000 But I wanted to see what happens if I took...

02:10:45.000 Time off, and I went out of the country for five days and didn't bring them, and I was fine.

02:10:50.000 Didn't bother me at all.

02:10:51.000 I was wondering if I'd be itching for one.

02:10:54.000 I'm okay on the plane.

02:10:55.000 I can fly to Europe.

02:10:57.000 I'm okay.

02:10:58.000 I don't need to vape.

02:10:59.000 Can you go in the bathroom and just get a quick one in there on the plane?

02:11:03.000 You know, this is a very bad idea.

02:11:05.000 You do not want to be caught vaping on the plane.

02:11:08.000 Oh, really?

02:11:08.000 Yeah, of course.

02:11:10.000 Did that set off a fire alarm?

02:11:13.000 I don't know.

02:11:13.000 Can you blow it right into the toilet?

02:11:16.000 You can do what they call zero vape, which is basically you inhale and you just hold it in until nothing comes out.

02:11:24.000 Oh, wow.

02:11:24.000 Yeah.

02:11:25.000 Or, you know, I've done one of these.

02:11:27.000 And they go under your jacket.

02:11:28.000 Yeah, I know.

02:11:29.000 I've seen people do that at the movie theater and stuff.

02:11:31.000 That is not approved behavior, so I do not condone that.

02:11:36.000 It's okay.

02:11:37.000 I can handle not vaping for eight hours or whatever.

02:11:40.000 So what's in the gas station ones when you're getting that?

02:11:42.000 Who knows?

02:11:43.000 What's in the oil?

02:11:44.000 Who knows?

02:11:45.000 Who knows?

02:11:46.000 That's maybe what killed some people early on in COVID. It might have been bad.

02:11:51.000 A lot of THC, of course, these pre-made cartridges.

02:11:54.000 You just don't know what's in it.

02:11:55.000 It's like, don't vape that stuff.

02:11:58.000 Do not vape the pre-made things.

02:12:01.000 I mean, this is fun.

02:12:03.000 You get to learn how to do it.

02:12:05.000 It's manufacturing.

02:12:07.000 I can really get into it.

02:12:08.000 I got this diameter silver wire, and you do five loops or six loops for different impedance.

02:12:17.000 Oh, yeah, there's a whole...

02:12:19.000 I mean, this tank, this thing, you try different...

02:12:23.000 I must have 18 different vapes that I've tried, and this is the one.

02:12:27.000 Somebody gave me one at one point in time.

02:12:29.000 It was like...

02:12:29.000 It was carrying around a phone.

02:12:31.000 It was like I was carrying around...

02:12:32.000 It was the size of your flip phone.

02:12:34.000 Yeah.

02:12:34.000 And I'm like, this is ridiculous.

02:12:36.000 That's me, baby.

02:12:37.000 That's me.

02:12:38.000 I don't want to have another heavy thing in my pockets or in my fanny pack.

02:12:41.000 It's like...

02:12:42.000 Yeah, no, this is okay.

02:12:44.000 I mean, it's all right.

02:12:45.000 And then this thing.

02:12:46.000 But you decided that the phone was too invasive, even with the graphene OS. Yeah.

02:12:52.000 Yeah, because you could still do everything, just not being tracked.

02:12:55.000 And so I used to go to bed, and we'd go to bed at the same time.

02:12:59.000 We always watch some stupid, like we're in season seven of Seinfeld right now.

02:13:03.000 So we'll watch a half hour of stupidity, and then we go to bed, and I used to be on my phone.

02:13:11.000 You know, for half an hour scrolling stuff or whatever.

02:13:13.000 And then, you know, okay, I'm tired.

02:13:15.000 Yeah, because my brain has been working overtime on whatever inputs I'm giving it.

02:13:19.000 And now I'm like, well, there's nothing to scroll.

02:13:22.000 So I just go to bed and I'm out in three seconds.

02:13:24.000 I'm like, I sleep.

02:13:25.000 And I sleep all the way through and I wake up in the morning.

02:13:28.000 I'm refreshed.

02:13:29.000 I feel good.

02:13:30.000 I don't look at social media the first hour I'm up.

02:13:33.000 I mean, I do Bible readings and stuff and devotionals and my text a buddy of mine.

02:13:38.000 And I'm ready, man.

02:13:40.000 Do you do social media in the morning?

02:13:43.000 No.

02:13:44.000 Almost not at all.

02:13:45.000 So when you do it, you do it from a computer?

02:13:48.000 Yeah.

02:13:48.000 If you check it out at all?

02:13:49.000 Yeah.

02:13:50.000 And when you do that, one of the questions I had about that, does that do voice-to-text from Andrew?

02:13:55.000 It can.

02:13:55.000 Oh, that's a game.

02:13:57.000 However, of course, when you do that, Google is basically...

02:14:02.000 Keeping your transcript.

02:14:03.000 There's a company in Austin called Futo.

02:14:05.000 Wait a minute.

02:14:06.000 So if you just text, it doesn't keep your transcript?

02:14:09.000 Oh, I'm sure it does.

02:14:10.000 But if you...

02:14:11.000 I'm not sure how much of that it does, but when you speak into it, it goes to the Google servers.

02:14:17.000 The Google server then transcribes it and sends it back to your phone.

02:14:21.000 It's not happening on the phone.

02:14:23.000 It's happening on Google servers, and they probably keep all of that, or my voice, or whatever.

02:14:28.000 There's a company in Austin called FUTO, F-U-T-O, and they have an open-source voice-to-text system that don't keep your transcripts, and they're some good guys.

02:14:39.000 Messing with that.

02:14:40.000 It's not quite as fast as Google.

02:14:41.000 And will that work on that phone?

02:14:42.000 Yeah, you can install it.

02:14:43.000 Yeah, just as an extra keyboard.

02:14:45.000 But do you ever send messages with Google Voice or with voice to text on that phone?

02:14:50.000 I've been using Futo.

02:14:51.000 Oh, you have been on that phone?

02:14:53.000 Yeah.

02:14:53.000 So I use it on my phone all the time, like when I'm in my car.

02:14:57.000 I press the little button for Apple Siri.

02:14:59.000 Yeah, so who knows what Apple's doing with that?

02:15:02.000 You don't know.

02:15:03.000 Send it right to China.

02:15:04.000 All the memes.

02:15:05.000 Maybe, maybe.

02:15:06.000 I don't know.

02:15:07.000 It's all right.

02:15:08.000 It's okay.

02:15:09.000 So I went to Boston.

02:15:11.000 You live in Boston, didn't you?

02:15:13.000 So we went to go see the Doobie Brothers.

02:15:16.000 When was this?

02:15:17.000 Last year.

02:15:18.000 Really?

02:15:18.000 They're around?

02:15:19.000 Yes.

02:15:20.000 And it was wild.

02:15:22.000 It was in Massachusetts.

02:15:23.000 It was one of these amphitheaters that's half-covered.

02:15:28.000 And we were the youngest people there.

02:15:31.000 And people were sparking weed.

02:15:33.000 You could smell the whole place.

02:15:34.000 They're like 80-year-old dudes smoking doobies.

02:15:37.000 It was amazing.

02:15:39.000 And the Doobie Brothers play, and it was like, the first 45 minutes is them doing it.

02:15:46.000 This is from our album from five years ago.

02:15:49.000 Dude, we want China Grove, you know, give us long train running.

02:15:52.000 So eventually they get into that, but then they would, like Michael McDonald's, What a Fool Believes, you know, I love that song.

02:15:57.000 He would do it syncopically, like, instead of doing the song, like we all remember it, he'd do, what a fool.

02:16:04.000 Believe.

02:16:05.000 He's like, no, no, don't do that.

02:16:07.000 It was really disappointing.

02:16:08.000 But the opening act was Steve Winwood.

02:16:12.000 Steve Winwood's now almost 80 years old.

02:16:15.000 And I get goosebumps just thinking about it.

02:16:18.000 He railed.

02:16:20.000 He wailed.

02:16:21.000 He did, you know, Mr. Fantasy from Traffic?

02:16:24.000 Sure.

02:16:25.000 Three quarters of that song is...

02:16:27.000 That's a guitar solo.

02:16:28.000 And he's just like...

02:16:30.000 And the crowd is going nuts.

02:16:34.000 And he has all these young kids with him.

02:16:36.000 And you see the close-up on the screens and they're like...

02:16:39.000 Dude, look at what he's doing.

02:16:41.000 It was amazing.

02:16:42.000 I bring it up because the next day...

02:16:45.000 Did you go right out to Plymouth?

02:16:46.000 Did I go to Plymouth?

02:16:48.000 Massachusetts?

02:16:48.000 Plymouth Rock?

02:16:49.000 Right.

02:16:50.000 So Plymouth Rock is kind of disappointing because it's a rock.

02:16:57.000 It's just a rock.

02:16:58.000 And there's a structure around it.

02:17:00.000 And like, okay, you know, it's a rock.

02:17:02.000 And there's a little sign next to it that says, we don't know that this was really the rock, but some guy in church who was 90 years old at the time said, yeah, I think this was the rock.

02:17:11.000 So that's the rock.

02:17:13.000 You were talking about the Georgia Guidestones a few episodes ago with somebody.

02:17:17.000 Did you know that we have an actual Guidestone in America in Plymouth?

02:17:21.000 No.

02:17:22.000 It's called the Monument to the Forefathers.

02:17:24.000 I'd never heard of this.

02:17:26.000 It's about two blocks in, and it's, I think, arguably the largest granite structure in America, certainly, but maybe in the world.

02:17:34.000 It was completed in 1890, and it is the Guidestone of America.

02:17:40.000 How do I not know about this?

02:17:42.000 No one knows about this.

02:17:44.000 Check it out.

02:17:45.000 The thing is huge, and it's literally in a cul-de-sac, a residential area.

02:17:50.000 Really?

02:17:51.000 How old is that?

02:17:52.000 It was completed in 1890 after 50 years of building it.

02:17:57.000 Wow.

02:17:58.000 And so this is the formula for America.

02:18:01.000 This is where I was going before our pee break.

02:18:03.000 The formula for America.

02:18:04.000 So they constructed this so that if we ever lost our way...

02:18:09.000 We could find our way back.

02:18:10.000 You know when they talk about, America was built on Christian values.

02:18:13.000 Like, what does that mean?

02:18:14.000 What does that even mean, Christian values?

02:18:16.000 I mean, even the word Christian is like, that was actually a slur back in the day that they came up with for Jesus believers.

02:18:23.000 So, in the middle is faith.

02:18:25.000 That's her name, faith.

02:18:26.000 And it's four sides.

02:18:27.000 And one is law.

02:18:30.000 Education, morality, and liberty.

02:18:32.000 And has all these cool inscriptions.

02:18:34.000 It's really something amazing to see.

02:18:37.000 And I believe that's the formula that we need to get back.

02:18:40.000 You actually, you live like this.

02:18:42.000 Joe Rogan lives these four sides.

02:18:45.000 You live, you understand law, morality, education, and liberty.

02:18:49.000 And if we can get back to that, you know, that would be just...

02:18:54.000 In fact, so all of our early presidents...

02:18:59.000 All of them live by the Bible.

02:19:01.000 Every single one of them.

02:19:02.000 They wrote about it.

02:19:03.000 They studied it.

02:19:05.000 1778, one of the first acts of a Congress was to print a Bible for everybody.

02:19:11.000 So I brought you...

02:19:13.000 This is done by a group called the Wall Builders.

02:19:17.000 And David Barton, he has all...

02:19:19.000 These are the receipts.

02:19:20.000 So it's a Bible, but it has three-quarters of that book is...

02:19:25.000 Writings by our early presidents all the way up through Reagan.

02:19:30.000 And this David Barton guy, he has all of these originals.

02:19:34.000 I think he lives in Aledo, Texas.

02:19:36.000 And it shows you what our code was in the early days up until the 60s.

02:19:42.000 And that's when we got this big argument about, oh, we can't have...

02:19:47.000 The First Amendment is the right to establish a religion.

02:19:53.000 And that has been...

02:19:54.000 Perverted throughout the years to say, well, you can't have the Bible in schools, and the government can't tell you to do this, and you can't be talking about—the Hall of Congress used to be a church.

02:20:06.000 I mean, that's how we started.

02:20:07.000 And you don't have to necessarily be a believer or saved by Jesus just to understand where we came from and the basic tenets of law.

02:20:17.000 Where those guys created it from.

02:20:20.000 You know, the receipts are in the Declaration of Independence.

02:20:23.000 Our Bill of Rights, our amendments, our rights, not that the government gives us.

02:20:29.000 You know, they all say the government shall not infringe.

02:20:31.000 The government may not do this.

02:20:33.000 It's what the government could not do because we had rights given to us by our creator.

02:20:38.000 And I think if we got back to a little bit of that in America...

02:20:43.000 We might get a bit more on path, which is why certainly all the Jesus freaks are like, President Trump is talking about God.

02:20:51.000 He says God saved him to save America.

02:20:54.000 A president is a big deal when he does stuff like that.

02:20:58.000 Just look at the people around us.

02:21:00.000 Russell Brand, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens.

02:21:04.000 There's a lot of people who are now starting to see this.

02:21:08.000 I know you love history.

02:21:09.000 That's why I bought that for you.

02:21:11.000 Because when you see where it comes from, a lot of things start to be clear.

02:21:15.000 And that sculpture, that was like, I had no idea it was there.

02:21:20.000 I'd never heard of it.

02:21:21.000 It's not in any books.

02:21:23.000 But it's kind of a template for where we came from.

02:21:26.000 And I think it's kind of important that we look at that as well as, you know, all the other things that we're looking at now with AI and social media.

02:21:34.000 And we can't just...

02:21:36.000 Be sitting around for four years going, yeah, Trump, yeah, Elon, stomp the libs.

02:21:40.000 We've got to find some spirituality one way or the other.

02:21:44.000 It doesn't have to be God.

02:21:45.000 I would like it to be, but people got to find that.

02:21:48.000 I think you're saying some wise things.

02:21:51.000 I think that people need some sort of a moral and ethical structure to live their life through.

02:21:56.000 Jordan Peterson always has this thing.

02:21:58.000 Another one, yeah.

02:21:59.000 Whether or not if you believe in God, if you live like you believe in God, you will live a better life.

02:22:05.000 And that is true.

02:22:07.000 I believe it.

02:22:08.000 I think that's true.

02:22:09.000 I believe it, absolutely.

02:22:10.000 And it's very simple things.

02:22:12.000 It's a moral scaffolding.

02:22:12.000 Yeah, it's very simple things, you know.

02:22:15.000 The Ten Commandments aren't that hard, you know.

02:22:17.000 It's like, that's your law.

02:22:19.000 If you believe that government, I mean, government is an extension of God, if you believe that he instates governments.

02:22:27.000 And I think that...

02:22:29.000 I think that God gave us Joe Biden for four years.

02:22:33.000 I really do.

02:22:34.000 He said, y'all gotta take a look.

02:22:36.000 He has humor, too, by the way.

02:22:38.000 Like, you should take a look.

02:22:40.000 And there's a story of...

02:22:42.000 I think it's Daniel, about King Nebuchadnezzar.

02:22:45.000 And King Nebuchadnezzar, he did not follow God's law.

02:22:49.000 And so God turned him into a donkey, basically, and he was out grazing for seven years, eating grass.

02:22:55.000 I'm like, that sounds a lot like President Biden, that he just turned him into a grass-eating donkey who had nothing left, you know?

02:23:04.000 Well, you have to see what happens when things go sideways to really understand it.

02:23:09.000 That's why people who grow up...

02:23:11.000 In poverty really can appreciate success a lot more than someone as a trust fund kid, right?

02:23:17.000 Of course.

02:23:17.000 You have to know what it's like when things go bad.

02:23:19.000 And our country just experienced four years of being governed by people other than the elected leader.

02:23:26.000 And it's pretty clear now.

02:23:27.000 Yeah.

02:23:28.000 And, you know, the way Mike Johnson laid it out that Biden didn't know what was in some of the executive orders.

02:23:34.000 I didn't sign that.

02:23:35.000 Which is kind of crazy.

02:23:36.000 It's crazy, man.

02:23:36.000 It's crazy.

02:23:37.000 It's interesting because some of that, like how much can you attribute it to faulty memory and how much of it is actually they passed things by his desk.

02:23:44.000 I don't know.

02:23:46.000 But at the end of the day, we got to see that this was not a good direction.

02:23:50.000 This is a terrible direction.

02:23:51.000 I think that was like one of the biggest mistakes that Kamala Harris did was when she went on The View and they asked her, what would you do differently?

02:23:56.000 And she said nothing.

02:23:57.000 Yeah.

02:23:58.000 Which is crazy.

02:23:59.000 But also, look at President Trump.

02:24:01.000 I mean, can you take a more wrong guy in the auspices and the opinion of...

02:24:08.000 Presidential and everything.

02:24:11.000 And he learned a lot during his first term.

02:24:13.000 I mean, this was a turnaround of epic proportion.

02:24:16.000 Epic proportion.

02:24:19.000 What's the biggest political comeback in the history of the world?

02:24:22.000 It'll be in the history books.

02:24:24.000 This show will be a part of that.

02:24:27.000 It's going to be incredibly important for us to look back on this because...

02:24:31.000 You know, it's often the misfits.

02:24:35.000 That's who we've got to love the most.

02:24:37.000 So when I see the blue-haired people, I'm like, I really want to love them.

02:24:41.000 They probably wouldn't understand it.

02:24:43.000 Crazy, chaotic energy.

02:24:44.000 If they just found something they loved and pushed it into that, they'd be better off.

02:24:48.000 But also, it's like, what damaged them up until that point?

02:24:51.000 Like, what kind of a life did they live that left them in this place where they're 35 years old, weeping in front of a city council meeting?

02:24:59.000 Like, who are they and what went wrong?

02:25:01.000 And this is the thing, we kind of encourage this victim mentality.

02:25:05.000 We do.

02:25:06.000 And we reward it.

02:25:07.000 It has social credit to it.

02:25:09.000 And you get to be in a special class of people.

02:25:13.000 And you get to say outrageous things.

02:25:15.000 And people allow you to.

02:25:17.000 And that's not good for anybody.

02:25:18.000 You have kids.

02:25:19.000 You know what it's like.

02:25:20.000 It's not good for kids.

02:25:22.000 You've got to tell them, well, that's not real.

02:25:24.000 You can't do that.

02:25:26.000 That's not yours.

02:25:27.000 There's things that...

02:25:28.000 You have to learn.

02:25:30.000 And if you reward victim mentality, then people look to become victims.

02:25:34.000 And so when that lady laid out all of her fucking physical ailments and all of her problems, as if that makes any of the things she's saying make sense, because she has all these problems.

02:25:45.000 Like, no, that's not how the world works.

02:25:48.000 But you're right.

02:25:48.000 It's been rewarded.

02:25:49.000 Rewarded.

02:25:50.000 Encouraged.

02:25:50.000 And it's been rewarded by political operations, mainly to get votes and to bring...

02:25:55.000 These people have a vote, too.

02:25:57.000 They can vote, so bring them in.

02:25:59.000 This is a part of the PSYOP of USAID. And the PSYOP of just the government in general, these control structures that are essentially put in place to make sure that they remain in power.

02:26:11.000 Do you know John Perkins?

02:26:12.000 Yes.

02:26:13.000 Have you ever had him on?

02:26:14.000 No, I have not.

02:26:14.000 Oh, man, because he wrote about this...

02:26:16.000 Economic hitman.

02:26:17.000 Yeah, Confession of Economic Hitman.

02:26:19.000 Wow.

02:26:20.000 I mean, basically, USAID, that's what they do, but also State Department.

02:26:26.000 Marco Rubio seems like a good guy.

02:26:28.000 I'm kind of liking him.

02:26:29.000 But they've got intelligence units inside there.

02:26:32.000 There's all kinds of things that happen with State Department.

02:26:34.000 So I hope that also gets uncovered.

02:26:37.000 Well, Mike Benz was explaining yesterday.

02:26:39.000 I was like, this seems so intertwined.

02:26:42.000 What can be done in four years?

02:26:45.000 He goes, no, this is going to take 50 years.

02:26:47.000 More.

02:26:48.000 That may be true.

02:26:49.000 It's going to take forever to unwind.

02:26:50.000 He goes, you have to understand how deep these tentacles go.

02:26:52.000 And he laid it out in...

02:26:54.000 Four and a half hours yesterday?

02:26:56.000 Wow.

02:26:56.000 I probably talked for three minutes for the whole podcast.

02:26:59.000 I'm not kidding.

02:27:00.000 With Mike, you got to like, can I get the transcript of this show and go over it slowly?

02:27:05.000 Because he goes fast, man.

02:27:06.000 He goes fast.

02:27:07.000 The thing that will happen is viral clips of specific things that he highlights and says that are very significant are going to go out.

02:27:14.000 Those are already out.

02:27:16.000 And I'm sure they're all over X right now as we're speaking.

02:27:19.000 And I love that...

02:27:21.000 Doge is...

02:27:22.000 I was skeptical because, you know, we heard this during the Reagan administration.

02:27:25.000 Reagan wasn't going to do all this.

02:27:27.000 He was going to make government efficient, and of course it didn't.

02:27:30.000 When I hear that they're going to do the same thing to the military, amen, man.

02:27:34.000 Well, they have to be accountable to an audit.

02:27:37.000 Yes.

02:27:37.000 They haven't done one ever.

02:27:39.000 Well, the Pentagon's failed seven of them.

02:27:41.000 And the thing is, like, fraud's real.

02:27:44.000 We know it's real, and we know people are pilfering.

02:27:46.000 And if you go unchecked for long enough, that becomes a part of the way people do business.

02:27:52.000 And, once that's established, and it's been established for decades, then it's very difficult to stop because as soon as you start investigating it, people go to jail.

02:28:01.000 And so they're going to try to stop you from investigating it.

02:28:03.000 They're going to try to, like, bury records.

02:28:06.000 And it's going to get wild.

02:28:07.000 As I'm sure Mike told you, and I can't wait to see it, it's not just fraud.

02:28:12.000 It is the actual system.

02:28:14.000 Instead of us being open, and I think like Trump is doing, like, hey, we're just going to have terrorists on you, NATO, you don't like it, boom, we're not going to protect you.

02:28:24.000 You know, we've got to be fair about this.

02:28:26.000 You can't just be ripping us off.

02:28:27.000 We've been doing all these subversive things with money that's just going to NGOs and non-profits.

02:28:34.000 I mean, the whole Ukraine thing.

02:28:36.000 He highlighted all of this.

02:28:38.000 Did he play the Victoria Nuland recorded phone call?

02:28:41.000 No, he didn't.

02:28:42.000 He showed the Biden thing where he said, you know, the prosecutor had to be fired or they wouldn't get the billion dollars in loans.

02:28:48.000 Right, right.

02:28:49.000 And son of a bitch.

02:28:50.000 Well, Victoria Nuland in 2014, the Russians, I think, they recorded a phone call, and she's literally talking to the ambassador.

02:28:59.000 Okay, we want to put this guy in the government, that guy in the government, this guy in Senate.

02:29:03.000 Klitsch, leave him outside.

02:29:05.000 He can be the mayor or whatever.

02:29:06.000 I mean, that's not cool.

02:29:08.000 We have some stuff to repent for when all this comes out, and we should pick ourselves up and move forward and just be honest.

02:29:15.000 I think we can do it with a lot of honesty, too.

02:29:18.000 I hope so.

02:29:21.000 The problem is there's a lot of people that are going to be in deep trouble, and they're going to try to stop that from all this accountability.

02:29:27.000 Was Mike bullish or bearish on it?

02:29:29.000 Well, he's in the storm.

02:29:32.000 It's like no one knows exactly what's going to happen when you're in the middle of the hurricane.

02:29:36.000 You're telling people what's going on, and that's where he is right now.

02:29:38.000 I mean, I asked him, how do you sleep?

02:29:40.000 He goes, I don't.

02:29:41.000 He needs prayers.

02:29:43.000 He needs some prayers.

02:29:44.000 I'm sure he needs that.

02:29:44.000 We'll cover him.

02:29:45.000 And I think his fight is very noble, and he's right.

02:29:50.000 He's right, and he's accurate, and the amount of information that guy's got in his head is astounding.

02:29:56.000 And he's pulling it all off the top of his head while we're talking because he lives this constantly.

02:30:02.000 Used to work at the State Department, uncovered all this stuff, been chasing it down forever, and is a legitimate historian on this.

02:30:11.000 And thank you for giving him that platform.

02:30:13.000 And thank you for giving Trump a platform and all the things you've done.

02:30:17.000 But the people, when they think of CIA and, you know, these types of agencies, they always think, you know, dart guns and, you know, secret stuff.

02:30:25.000 But no, it's really subversive writing articles.

02:30:29.000 And my whole family kind of comes from military and intelligence backgrounds.

02:30:33.000 So I've heard...

02:30:34.000 You know what I learned?

02:30:35.000 This is crazy.

02:30:35.000 So my uncle was...

02:30:37.000 Big in the CIA. He was basically Tulsi Gabbard to Bush Sr. when he was VP. And then, you know, like, Iran-Contra happened, and, you know, he basically became ambassador to Korea.

02:30:53.000 He was exonerated, but he was moved out to a different post.

02:30:57.000 My aunt passed away a couple years back.

02:31:01.000 And when my cousin was doing her eulogy...

02:31:05.000 She said Aunt Meg actually outranked Uncle Don in the CIA. She ran the Russia desk, spoke fluent Russian, but had promised never to tell anybody, not even her own kids.

02:31:17.000 I'm like, what?

02:31:19.000 Aunt Meg spoke fluent Russian and ran the Russia desk for the CIA and outranked Uncle Don?

02:31:26.000 Like, that's some crazy stuff.

02:31:30.000 Crazy.

02:31:31.000 And all those folks, you know, they remember Russia as the real, real bad guys.

02:31:36.000 I mean, I went to—this is my own USAID story.

02:31:39.000 So in 1988, I think it was, we had the Moscow Music Peace Festival.

02:31:43.000 Do you remember that?

02:31:44.000 No.

02:31:45.000 And this is before the wall came down, and I was the only MTV person who went.

02:31:51.000 We went on a 727 from Newark.

02:31:53.000 It was Ozzy Osbourne, basically Black Sabbath.

02:31:58.000 It was Bon Jovi, Motley Crue, Skid Row.

02:32:02.000 We stopped in Germany to pick up the Scorpions.

02:32:04.000 What was that flight like?

02:32:06.000 Dude.

02:32:10.000 You'll love this.

02:32:13.000 Oh, yeah.

02:32:13.000 There you go.

02:32:14.000 Wow.

02:32:16.000 You were filming things even back then.

02:32:18.000 So the reason this happened was...

02:32:21.000 Look at you.

02:32:22.000 Yeah.

02:32:23.000 Yeah, there you go.

02:32:25.000 Tico Torres from Bon Jovi.

02:32:27.000 I mean, so Doc McGee, who was the manager of Bon Jovi and Motley Crue, his...

02:32:34.000 I'm paraphrasing the story, but I'm pretty sure it's correct.

02:32:38.000 That was Ozzy.

02:32:39.000 I just realized that was Ozzy and Sharon Osbourne.

02:32:41.000 Like, who are those people?

02:32:42.000 I'm like, oh my god.

02:32:43.000 Look at Sharon.

02:32:44.000 Look at Sharon.

02:32:44.000 I know.

02:32:44.000 She's like a...

02:32:45.000 A kid.

02:32:46.000 And like a British housefrau.

02:32:48.000 Nice roly-poly.

02:32:49.000 She's not the...

02:32:50.000 No O-Face for her.

02:32:52.000 So...

02:32:53.000 O-Face?

02:32:53.000 Oh, Ozempic.

02:32:54.000 Yeah.

02:32:55.000 So...

02:32:56.000 Look at Ozzy.

02:33:00.000 So Doc McGee's Learjet had been caught smuggling in like, you know, bales of marijuana into Florida.

02:33:09.000 And his get-out-of-jail-free card was he was supposed to organize an anti-drug and alcohol concert in Moscow.

02:33:19.000 Right.

02:33:20.000 So this is where I'm pretty sure USAID came into it and the CIA. And so this was supposed to be a complete drug-free, alcohol-free.

02:33:29.000 We're all going to go there.

02:33:30.000 We're going to do a huge one-night concert.

02:33:33.000 We're there for a week on the plane.

02:33:36.000 Ozzy is so drunk.

02:33:39.000 He's so drunk.

02:33:41.000 So we're in the back there, and he's at the laboratory mid-plane, and someone else is in there.

02:33:49.000 And he's like, sure!

02:33:52.000 Sure!

02:33:53.000 Sure!

02:33:54.000 And she's like, oh, Ozzy!

02:33:55.000 And he pees his pants right there in the aisle.

02:33:59.000 Like, holy crap.

02:34:01.000 Ozzy Peter's pants.

02:34:04.000 This was a wild trip.

02:34:08.000 And I got a briefing beforehand by some dudes in suits.

02:34:12.000 This is 88, so I wasn't really thinking USAID, CIA. And they're like, here's the deal.

02:34:18.000 You're going to be there.

02:34:19.000 Do not talk to any women.

02:34:21.000 Don't go to any hookers.

02:34:22.000 Do not take any hookers to your room.

02:34:23.000 They're all going to be KGB. And you don't want any part of this.

02:34:27.000 And our people are going to be watching.

02:34:29.000 KGB hookers.

02:34:30.000 KGB hookers.

02:34:31.000 We actually did go to the hooker boat, which was pretty wild.

02:34:34.000 It was a boat?

02:34:34.000 Yeah.

02:34:35.000 They had a prostitute boat.

02:34:36.000 The ugliest hookers in the world is like, nah, no one's gonna...

02:34:39.000 Pirates.

02:34:40.000 We all kind of went to go check them out.

02:34:43.000 We're in the hotel.

02:34:45.000 This is Soviet Union still.

02:34:48.000 They literally turned on the heat in that part of the city.

02:34:50.000 It was winter.

02:34:51.000 And the mattresses were made of straw, and you had to bribe the lady for a phone call.

02:34:57.000 You'd reserve it 24 hours in advance.

02:34:59.000 You have to give her tuna fish and toilet paper rolls.

02:35:02.000 It was wild.

02:35:03.000 Wow.

02:35:04.000 Middle of the night, I'm with Sebastian Bach from Skid Row.

02:35:07.000 We're outside.

02:35:08.000 We go to Red Square.

02:35:09.000 We're drinking vodka on Red Square at 3 in the morning.

02:35:12.000 Walk back to the hotel.

02:35:13.000 There's the Moscow Hells Angels show up.

02:35:16.000 And they're on these Yugoslav motorcycles.

02:35:18.000 And they're popping wheelies and falling off.

02:35:21.000 And we're like, what's going on?

02:35:22.000 And then this Russian official comes up.

02:35:25.000 They had the really big hats.

02:35:27.000 And he's like...

02:35:28.000 Tap, tap, tap on the back of one of the merch trucks.

02:35:30.000 And all he wanted was t-shirts.

02:35:32.000 And so, you know, he gave them a whole bunch of t-shirts.

02:35:34.000 Everybody leaves.

02:35:36.000 Crazy.

02:35:37.000 So we have this concert.

02:35:39.000 And the kids are going...

02:35:40.000 They went nuts.

02:35:41.000 Of all the bands.

02:35:42.000 Bon Jovi, Motley Crue, Ozzy.

02:35:44.000 They all knew Ozzy.

02:35:46.000 They were all singing phonetically.

02:35:48.000 They, you know...

02:35:49.000 They didn't know the words, you know.

02:35:52.000 But the crazy train kind of came out of their mouth.

02:35:55.000 And...

02:35:56.000 What was...

02:35:57.000 Look at this!

02:35:58.000 Yeah, it was insane.

02:35:59.000 You can see all the...

02:36:00.000 Can you give me some volume?

02:36:01.000 There's some military in front, I think.

02:36:02.000 There it is.

02:36:04.000 Look at that.

02:36:05.000 Flying high again!

02:36:11.000 Listen to the likes of Bon Jovi, Motley Crue, and Skid Row, who all agreed to play.

02:36:15.000 Wow.

02:36:16.000 So, here's the kicker.

02:36:18.000 The Scorpions had a number one hit, Winds of Change.

02:36:23.000 The Winds of Change.

02:36:26.000 You don't remember the song.

02:36:27.000 And it was the only song they did not write.

02:36:31.000 And that song was the anthem when the wall came down.

02:36:36.000 Which happened literally...

02:36:38.000 Oh, here you go.

02:36:40.000 Did the CIA write a power ballot to bring down the USSR? What?

02:36:45.000 Yep.

02:36:46.000 Is that real?

02:36:47.000 I think so.

02:36:48.000 I think so.

02:36:49.000 I don't remember that song.

02:36:50.000 Can we play some of that song and cut it out, Jamie?

02:36:53.000 Play it for us and cut it out.

02:36:56.000 We'll cut this part out of the show, folks.

02:36:57.000 Just go listen to Scorpions.

02:37:00.000 What a shame, man.

02:37:01.000 We could be PSYOP-ing more Germans.

02:37:06.000 1990. Yeah.

02:37:08.000 Wow.

02:37:08.000 It's a good fucking song.

02:37:10.000 Yeah.

02:37:11.000 A CIA writes hits, baby.

02:37:12.000 That's crazy.

02:37:13.000 The CIA wrote a banger.

02:37:15.000 A huge banger.

02:37:17.000 And here's the funniest part.

02:37:19.000 So when the wall comes down, this is number one.

02:37:22.000 It was 1990. And I think, I can't remember, I think they might have been phonetically singing along with it in Lennon Stadium when we were there, because it was a number one hit.

02:37:32.000 It was everywhere, this song.

02:37:33.000 So this is a year before the wall came down?

02:37:35.000 This says the song was written after the concert, like in response to the concert.

02:37:39.000 Yeah, okay.

02:37:40.000 I told you I don't have it all right.

02:37:43.000 But...

02:37:43.000 But the CIA wrote it.

02:37:45.000 The CIA wrote it.

02:37:45.000 They probably had it in the archives.

02:37:47.000 Oh, my God.

02:37:48.000 The funniest thing was...

02:37:49.000 So, huge in Europe at the time was Baywatch.

02:37:52.000 You know, the whole...

02:37:54.000 Have you ever had Hasselhoff on?

02:37:55.000 No.

02:37:55.000 There's a funny guy.

02:37:57.000 This guy, he's...

02:37:58.000 He was on Fear Factor.

02:38:00.000 Oh.

02:38:00.000 He did Celebrity Fear Factor.

02:38:01.000 Did you like him?

02:38:02.000 Yeah, he was a nice guy.

02:38:03.000 I mean, I've met him a couple times.

02:38:04.000 You know, he had to go to the bathroom a lot at the time.

02:38:06.000 But, you know, whatever.

02:38:07.000 MTV Beach House.

02:38:09.000 His manager would be like, David, I think you need to go to the bathroom to get some energy.

02:38:13.000 Oh, yeah.

02:38:15.000 Anyway, so the story of Baywatch is phenomenal because he self-financed it.

02:38:22.000 Nobody wanted it in America.

02:38:23.000 And it became this monstrous global hit everywhere except America in the beginning.

02:38:28.000 And he became wildly successful, rich.

02:38:32.000 And Germany is where it was number one.

02:38:35.000 It was just for years number one Baywatch.

02:38:37.000 And so Hasselhoff, or as they say, der Hoff, hello Deutschland, here's der Hoff!

02:38:42.000 Everyone knew him.

02:38:43.000 He was standing on top of the wall with a sledgehammer, and he claims that he brought down the Berlin Wall.

02:38:52.000 Was Baywatch a PSYOP? Is that what you got now?

02:38:55.000 I don't know.

02:38:56.000 Oh, my God.

02:38:57.000 Well, this is also part of the thing that Mike Benz got into with the music business, that they do sort of finance these disruptive kind of songs and political movements.

02:39:10.000 Sure.

02:39:10.000 Of course.

02:39:11.000 Of course.

02:39:12.000 I mean, yeah.

02:39:13.000 Yeah, it's a powerful tool.

02:39:15.000 That's the book about Laurel.

02:39:18.000 There he is!

02:39:19.000 He's bringing down the wall!

02:39:21.000 What is he singing?

02:39:24.000 Oh, he was a pop star, right?

02:39:26.000 He had these disco hits.

02:39:26.000 He had these poppy hits, yeah.

02:39:28.000 And freedom, baby!

02:39:30.000 I did it!

02:39:31.000 And he's got this glittering jacket on and everything.

02:39:33.000 Awesome!

02:39:34.000 American icon, ladies and gentlemen.

02:39:36.000 That's not even glittery.

02:39:37.000 That's an LED jacket.

02:39:38.000 That jacket's got a battery.

02:39:40.000 Of course, we loved him from Knight Rider.

02:39:42.000 He was a cool dude.

02:39:44.000 We all wanted a kit watch, which we now have, of course.

02:39:48.000 He was huge overseas, right?

02:39:49.000 That's it.

02:39:50.000 It was because of Baywatch, and he had a whole music career going on.

02:39:54.000 Oh, yeah.

02:39:55.000 Oh, man.

02:39:56.000 Good times in the old days, bro.

02:39:58.000 Good times.

02:39:59.000 We had so much fun back in the early days.

02:40:02.000 That's so crazy that that song was written by the CIA. That Laurel Canyon thing is really interesting because I really dismissed it at first.

02:40:10.000 I was like, come on.

02:40:12.000 The government didn't have nothing to do with the rock and roll movement, but it kind of seems like they did.

02:40:19.000 What is it, Strange Times in the Canyon?

02:40:21.000 What is that book called again?

02:40:23.000 I feel like that's the name.

02:40:24.000 Is that it?

02:40:24.000 Yeah.

02:40:25.000 Something along those lines.

02:40:26.000 It's a weird book, man.

02:40:28.000 I read the book and I was like, what the fuck?

02:40:30.000 How much of this is...

02:40:31.000 In the 60s, when the agents were infiltrating Europe, it was all literature, art, music.

02:40:39.000 They were bringing everything they could, art especially.

02:40:42.000 And that was really at the time to make sure that...

02:40:44.000 Weird scenes inside the canyon.

02:40:46.000 To make sure that the Russians didn't take over Europe.

02:40:48.000 There's all these things that they were doing.

02:40:51.000 Well, they also did it with the modern art movement.

02:40:53.000 Absolutely.

02:40:54.000 Jackson Pollock is a complete creation, which totally makes sense because I was like, who's paying for this?

02:41:00.000 Help me out.

02:41:01.000 Yep.

02:41:02.000 Like, no, don't you see the way the splatters are?

02:41:04.000 That's why we're all questioning you, Joe Rogan.

02:41:07.000 What USAID connections do you have?

02:41:10.000 I think I skipped the system.

02:41:11.000 I think somehow or another they fucked up.

02:41:13.000 Look at me, my whole family's intelligence and military.

02:41:16.000 I was a pirate radio guy in 1983. They must have been like, this guy's lost.

02:41:21.000 We can't use him.

02:41:23.000 He'll be no good.

02:41:24.000 I mean, the real kooky people probably think you're my handler or something because you created podcasting.

02:41:28.000 That's right.

02:41:29.000 Because there is that thought that, like, This is one of the things that comes up now all the time.

02:41:33.000 We talked about this on CNN. We're saying that there's a whole financed and backed right-wing ecosystem that's created these podcasts.

02:41:41.000 Where's my check?

02:41:42.000 Well, this is just stupidity.

02:41:44.000 This is the problem where when you look at some conspiracies, you think, oh, well, that applies to all things.

02:41:50.000 No, there's actually some things that are organic for some weird reason.

02:41:54.000 What I think we'll see, you know, the first thing after the election is, we need a Joe Rogan on the left.

02:42:00.000 Well, you know, guys, you basically had a Joe Rogan on the left, but you were so crazy that Joe started to think right.

02:42:06.000 They didn't want me.

02:42:08.000 That was the thing.

02:42:09.000 They didn't want you?

02:42:09.000 But that's all the psyop working against them.

02:42:13.000 Because in the past, they could take someone like me and demonize them, and it would be effective.

02:42:17.000 And they could just remove you from the airwaves.

02:42:20.000 Right.

02:42:20.000 And then remove you as a problem, because you're not playing by the rules.

02:42:23.000 But now, people go, oh, you know what?

02:42:26.000 I think he's the one who's actually telling the truth.

02:42:28.000 Let's stop listening to them.

02:42:29.000 And so then CNN crashes, and then Faith in Mainstream Media crashes, and Faith in Podcasts rises.

02:42:35.000 I think what we'll see, though, is...

02:42:37.000 It may come from YouTube.

02:42:38.000 We'll probably see them try to hype someone up to become the Joe Rogan of the left.

02:42:44.000 Oh, they're already definitely doing that.

02:42:46.000 Who do you think it is?

02:42:47.000 I don't care.

02:42:48.000 Let them try.

02:42:49.000 But the thing is, it's not going to work unless that person's authentic.

02:42:52.000 Without authenticity, it doesn't work.

02:42:54.000 If you hear a person long enough, you know what the fuck they're really saying.

02:42:59.000 You know whether or not...

02:43:00.000 That's right.

02:43:00.000 You know, I'm wrong all the time.

02:43:02.000 You might not agree with me.

02:43:04.000 That's all great, but I'm not going to lie.

02:43:05.000 And that's the...

02:43:06.000 Yeah.

02:43:07.000 And a lot of these people are just propagandists.

02:43:10.000 And they're also trying to make an argument for something without looking at the other side, which instantaneously I know now you're propagandizing.

02:43:20.000 Now you're bullshitting me.

02:43:22.000 I always try to look at the other side of everything.

02:43:26.000 I know you do.

02:43:26.000 As a human, I think it's an important quality.

02:43:29.000 As a person who's broadcasting to millions of people, it's a very important quality.

02:43:33.000 But it's an important quality for human beings.

02:43:35.000 Know why you think about something.

02:43:38.000 Is this just a knee-jerk reaction?

02:43:40.000 Or is this well thought out?

02:43:41.000 Are you being objective?

02:43:43.000 Or are you captured by this ideology that you're a part of to the point where you're just ignoring?

02:43:50.000 This is the thing that I find fascinating about all this USAID stuff.

02:43:54.000 Because there's so many people that are so against Donald Trump dismantling the organization that they're not looking at the craziness of all the propaganda that's being exposed.

02:44:04.000 They somehow or another are gaslighting themselves and all their followers to say that, no, this is aid.

02:44:09.000 People are going to starve to death.

02:44:11.000 There's food that's rotting.

02:44:12.000 Meanwhile, I think I'm pretty sure even when they passed this thing where they were trying to put a stop on USAID, they gave exemptions for food and medicine.

02:44:22.000 Yeah.

02:44:22.000 And certain.

02:44:23.000 Yeah.

02:44:24.000 So you're hearing these bullshit stories of like food that's rotting now.

02:44:28.000 People are going to go starving.

02:44:29.000 Everyone's dying of AIDS.

02:44:30.000 Well, you have figures who people see as authority because they have a million followers and likes and then they'll believe that.

02:44:38.000 And it typically doesn't work.

02:44:41.000 I think it works, but it works for less people.

02:44:44.000 There's people that want to be lied to.

02:44:46.000 They want to believe the cult.

02:44:48.000 They want to drink the Kool-Aid.

02:44:49.000 They want to.

02:44:50.000 And that is where they've dug their heels in, and now this is where they stay.

02:44:55.000 But when you see Rachel Maddow, who has come back, you know, for the first hundred days, she's doing a show every single day, and she's blatantly lying.

02:45:02.000 I mean, literally, like, factually, clearly lying.

02:45:06.000 A lot of people won't watch anything.

02:45:08.000 You know, they've been told Joe Rogan is part of the bro-casting and, you know, this right-wing conspiracy all funded by whatever to, you know, to propagandize, and people are...

02:45:20.000 I mean, I have family members who truly believe that President Trump will take away their Social Security.

02:45:29.000 Like, he's saying quite the opposite.

02:45:30.000 And by the way, he can't take it away.

02:45:32.000 Only Congress can take it away.

02:45:34.000 USAID... Created by executive order by President Kennedy can be shut by executive order by President Trump.

02:45:40.000 That's just a fact.

02:45:42.000 Also, what they're doing is they're highlighting there's people that are supposedly 150 years old that are getting Social Security.

02:45:47.000 Awesome.

02:45:48.000 I need some of that.

02:45:49.000 There's some weird shit going on with Social Security.

02:45:52.000 But you know what happened?

02:45:52.000 I think this is what we're not being told, but I have a lot of sysadmin friends.

02:45:57.000 From what I understand, the Doge team, four guys initially, they were in...

02:46:02.000 So the Treasury is like our bank account.

02:46:04.000 It's one system, and it sends payments through the Federal Reserve System.

02:46:09.000 All they needed to do, January 21st at midnight, they were in there.

02:46:13.000 They got all the payments.

02:46:15.000 They've had that at Mar-a-Lago.

02:46:18.000 Because I've heard this, that they've been going through it like, hey, there's no reconciliation.

02:46:22.000 There's just a payment with no purchase order or no confirmation that the work was done.

02:46:28.000 I think at this point, they're just sitting back going, you know, they can release more information whenever they want.

02:46:35.000 Department of Education is going to be next.

02:46:36.000 You're going to see a lot of Common Core craziness.

02:46:39.000 I mean, remember that, Common Core?

02:46:41.000 The Pentagon.

02:46:43.000 I hope they do the State Department, too, because there's a lot going on there.

02:46:47.000 It's going to be interesting to see what resistance...

02:46:50.000 Well, the people who are squealing are the ones you want to pay attention to.

02:46:53.000 Well, that's the thing, is that, first of all...

02:46:56.000 We were talking about this the other day.

02:46:58.000 Me and my friends are saying, part of the problem is these people can't conspire right now because all their phones are tapped.

02:47:05.000 Everybody that...

02:47:07.000 For sure.

02:47:07.000 If they're investigating you, if they're investigating these things, the power that they have...

02:47:13.000 Is astronomical.

02:47:14.000 It's crazy.

02:47:14.000 The power that they have to look into people's emails, look into people's phones, find out what text messages they're sending.

02:47:20.000 They can look into your signal.

02:47:21.000 Pegasus, baby.

02:47:22.000 Yeah, they look into everything.

02:47:23.000 So the idea that they're not doing that if they're in the middle of some fucking multi-trillion dollar investigation into rampant fraud.

02:47:31.000 So they know that this is going on.

02:47:33.000 So they can't conspire.

02:47:34.000 And then they also have to worry about people taking deals.

02:47:36.000 So there's going to be some people that squeal.

02:47:38.000 Good point.

02:47:38.000 And so then you don't know who's your fucking enemy and who's your friend.

02:47:42.000 And everywhere you talk, you go to have a lunch with someone.

02:47:44.000 He's wearing a fucking button camera.

02:47:46.000 You could be fucked.

02:47:47.000 And so they're not united right now.

02:47:50.000 And this is why it's working.

02:47:52.000 And this is why they're able to...

02:47:54.000 Release all this information, and everybody's in this hot panic right now.

02:47:58.000 Yeah, so they're squeezing them.

02:47:59.000 They're squeezing them, because they have it all.

02:48:01.000 And thank God for James O'Keefe, too, man.

02:48:03.000 He's done some interesting stuff over the years.

02:48:06.000 He certainly has.

02:48:07.000 He gets people to...

02:48:09.000 It's amazing how many guys will open up when they think they're on a date with a hot chick or a hot guy, whichever one that happens to be, and like, oh, yeah, man, I'm doing all this.

02:48:20.000 Yeah, we don't care.

02:48:21.000 We just hated Trump.

02:48:23.000 It's like, what?

02:48:25.000 These people, they need to learn how to shut up.

02:48:27.000 I think he just got another video that he released today.

02:48:30.000 Oh, yeah?

02:48:30.000 There was another video today about people going around the Doge system to try to still do the same work.

02:48:38.000 Well, there was an issue with...

02:48:40.000 Season of reveal, Joe.

02:48:42.000 Yeah, wasn't there an issue with FEMA releasing...

02:48:44.000 Is this true?

02:48:45.000 Well, so FEMA paid $59 million for illegal entrance into our country for them to stay at the Roosevelt Hotel, which is double the room rate.

02:48:58.000 Have you ever stayed at the Roosevelt Hotel in Manhattan?

02:49:01.000 And the Roosevelt Hotel, by the way, is owned by Pakistan.

02:49:04.000 Yes, right.

02:49:05.000 It was a dump.

02:49:07.000 Everyone was smoking weed in their rooms.

02:49:09.000 I mean, I was there maybe 10 years ago, 11 years ago.

02:49:12.000 I stayed at the Roosevelt Hotel.

02:49:15.000 It was very cheap, right there on 42nd Street.

02:49:19.000 So they were paying double the room rate.

02:49:21.000 But this isn't just in the United States.

02:49:25.000 This has been happening all over the world.

02:49:27.000 This is a gigantic scam.

02:49:29.000 Four federal employees were fired Tuesday over payments to reimburse New York City for hotel costs.

02:49:34.000 There you go.

02:49:35.000 Department of Homeland Security officials said the workers were accused of circumventing leadership to make the transactions which have been standard for years through a program that helps with costs to care for a surge in migration.

02:49:46.000 However, officials did not give details on how the four had violated any policies, but they put a freeze on the payments.

02:49:56.000 Luxury hotels is kind of funny.

02:49:58.000 Yeah, in quotes.

02:50:01.000 So did they definitely do it?

02:50:06.000 Wasn't Anderson Cooper disputing it?

02:50:08.000 I don't know.

02:50:08.000 He was talking to Sununu, and he called him a dick.

02:50:12.000 Don't be a dick.

02:50:13.000 Go to Chicago.

02:50:13.000 All the hotels on the Miracle Mile are all migrant hotels.

02:50:18.000 Because it was super good money.

02:50:21.000 Crazy.

02:50:21.000 But that's everywhere in the world.

02:50:23.000 That's the same in Europe.

02:50:24.000 A big hotel change?

02:50:26.000 Like, you can't get a hotel room because they've got migrants for double the price.

02:50:29.000 Well, this is also something that the Biden administration lied about because they said that FEMA funds were not being used.

02:50:36.000 I'm with President Trump that it's better, you know, when Helene happened, what happened there was really beautiful because everything fell down.

02:50:47.000 Even the own, you know, North Carolina's, their own state government, no one really was doing anything.

02:50:55.000 And it was funny enough for the first time I've ever seen ham operators actually be successful.

02:50:59.000 But, you know, the helicopter guys were all going out there.

02:51:03.000 Everybody was pitching.

02:51:04.000 And people were driving from all different states to come in and help people.

02:51:08.000 I mean, I don't have a helicopter anymore, but I literally called up the airfield.

02:51:12.000 I said, fill them up.

02:51:14.000 Here's my credit card.

02:51:15.000 Fill that one.

02:51:15.000 Just fill them up.

02:51:16.000 Fill up until this limit that I have.

02:51:21.000 I know what it costs.

02:51:22.000 You burn a lot of money in a helicopter.

02:51:24.000 This is how America works.

02:51:28.000 It really works well when we help each other out in all kinds of circumstances.

02:51:33.000 And we've become so reliant on the government, so reliant that Uncle Sam is going to come in and save us.

02:51:40.000 And it turns out...

02:51:41.000 They're not really efficient at it.

02:51:43.000 They're not really good at it.

02:51:44.000 A lot of money gets stuck and flows to other places.

02:51:47.000 We've got to come back to loving our neighbor and knowing your neighbor.

02:51:52.000 How many people don't even know their neighbor anymore?

02:51:54.000 This is critical.

02:51:58.000 When Clinton was president, everything changed in America.

02:52:03.000 All of a sudden...

02:52:04.000 Oh, that's not sexual relations.

02:52:06.000 Oh, you can do that to me, baby.

02:52:08.000 That's not actually sex.

02:52:10.000 You know, all these kinds of things.

02:52:12.000 That sets a tone.

02:52:13.000 It sets a cultural tone.

02:52:15.000 And Trump is setting a cultural tone of, let's get this done.

02:52:20.000 Let's stop getting ripped off by other people, by ourselves, and let's be successful together.

02:52:28.000 And it's a short amount of time.

02:52:29.000 So I hope that...

02:52:31.000 But isn't it interesting that half the country doesn't see it that way?

02:52:34.000 Half the country sees it as a constitutional crisis.

02:52:38.000 Well, that's just a term.

02:52:40.000 I know, but it's interesting.

02:52:42.000 Top FEMA official is fired over payments to New York City migrant shelters.

02:52:46.000 Trump administration fired the Federal Emergency Management Agency's chief financial officer and three others after Elon Musk misleadingly claimed the agency had used disaster relief funds for migrant services.

02:52:56.000 Wait a minute, is this New York Times?

02:52:58.000 This is just going to be back and forth, back and forth forever.

02:53:01.000 Misleading.

02:53:01.000 What is misleading about it?

02:53:03.000 So let's see here.

02:53:04.000 City officials raced to clarify that the federal money had been properly allocated by FEMA under President Biden last year, adding that it was not a disaster relief grant and had not been spent on luxury hotels.

02:53:16.000 Nonetheless, just two hours after Mr. Musk's post, FEMA's acting director Cameron Hamilton announced the payments in question have all been suspended, even though most of the money had already been dispersed, and that personnel will be held accountable.

02:53:28.000 But is this a recent payment, and did they put a freeze on payments, even if the payment had been properly allocated by Biden?

02:53:36.000 What I was reading was they just pulled the money out of bank accounts.

02:53:40.000 Who did?

02:53:41.000 It says the Trump administration.

02:53:43.000 Trump revokes $80 million from New York City after a threat.

02:53:46.000 I've seen this on multiple websites, but I don't know.

02:53:48.000 Can you go to the title there on Daily News?

02:53:51.000 Oh, hold on a second.

02:53:53.000 You just had it there.

02:53:54.000 That's right here, too.

02:53:55.000 Oh, Trump revokes...

02:53:57.000 $80 million from New York City after threat to claw back FEMA cash used to care for migrants.

02:54:02.000 But it's still money to care for migrants, and they still put a freeze on that money to care for migrants.

02:54:08.000 That's your constitutional crisis.

02:54:10.000 We're in a constitutional crisis because of what's happened to our country.

02:54:14.000 But that seems like gaslighting to justify spending $80 million to pay for migrants, which they shouldn't have done.

02:54:22.000 No.

02:54:23.000 But it's not just that.

02:54:25.000 It's fly these people there.

02:54:27.000 Fly them into the country, let them into the country, and then pay for them with EBT cards, with debit cards.

02:54:33.000 Well, a lot of that was the economics.

02:54:36.000 I have a friend, former New York banker, and he said, we always win as long as our population is growing.

02:54:42.000 We will beat China long-term because their population is declining.

02:54:45.000 And he says that's why the borders are open, is because you need...

02:54:49.000 It's just like economics.

02:54:51.000 You need more people, and with more people, your economy grows one way or the other.

02:54:55.000 I think it's a multi...

02:54:57.000 I'm just telling you what the bankers say.

02:54:59.000 I think there's some truth to that, but I think also they were trying to buy votes.

02:55:04.000 Yeah, I mean, all of that's a part of it.

02:55:06.000 Well, you saw the thing in New York where they were trying to let people who are illegals vote in regional elections.

02:55:13.000 That's your constitutional crisis, right?

02:55:15.000 That is a constitutional crisis.

02:55:16.000 Here's the thing that I hope, and I'm working to make this happen.

02:55:20.000 So we have great podcasts.

02:55:23.000 You know, your podcast.

02:55:25.000 Not everybody can be a Joe Rogan, and we can't just all be looking at national news.

02:55:31.000 What has happened at a local level is radio stations, they all got bought up, they're all consolidated.

02:55:38.000 No one has local programming anymore.

02:55:42.000 There's almost no local newspapers, even local television stations.

02:55:46.000 They're all going away.

02:55:47.000 Now is the time to create a podcast for your town, your burg, your city, your community.

02:55:56.000 Wasn't Gavin Newsom doing that right after the election?

02:55:59.000 Didn't he start a podcast?

02:56:01.000 Well, I don't know about Gavin Newsom.

02:56:03.000 I think he did.

02:56:04.000 I think that was their idea to try to combat the podcast like this.

02:56:09.000 We don't need...

02:56:10.000 We need that.

02:56:11.000 We need local voices.

02:56:12.000 You know, all the advertising locally has been slurped up by Facebook.

02:56:17.000 You know, that's where you advertise.

02:56:20.000 I've started a local thing in Fredericksburg, and people really love it.

02:56:26.000 They love, oh, wait a minute, there's something going on in Fredericksburg?

02:56:29.000 And all they have is Fredericksburg rant and raves on a Facebook page.

02:56:33.000 Well, you imagine what a mess that thing is.

02:56:34.000 That is crazy.

02:56:36.000 That's no good.

02:56:37.000 Rant and rave now, that's no good.

02:56:40.000 I started a thing called Godcaster.fm, and it's...

02:56:45.000 It's tailored towards helping radio stations do this, but I think churches are content factories, and they're not just all talking about Jesus and God.

02:56:54.000 They're doing stuff in the community.

02:56:55.000 That's what churches used to do, and they're doing stuff at the high schools, and you got kids in there.

02:57:01.000 I want a thousand podcasts within a year all over America of local people, and it's so easy to do now.

02:57:08.000 It's become so possible.

02:57:10.000 And I think that local communities will even sponsor it.

02:57:13.000 That's the next level.

02:57:14.000 That's my phase, too.

02:57:15.000 That's the next level we have to get to, is...

02:57:18.000 Where people just get a microphone, talk to your city council person.

02:57:23.000 You know, this is nuts.

02:57:24.000 All it is is national news presented by heads on television.

02:57:28.000 And who needs that nonsense?

02:57:29.000 You know, you're an exception and you're really important.

02:57:33.000 But we need to have this at a local level.

02:57:36.000 And it's never been a better...

02:57:37.000 You want to start a podcast and be able to actually make a living out of it in your local community?

02:57:42.000 I guarantee people will support it.

02:57:43.000 I guarantee people will want to be a part of it.

02:57:46.000 And I hope that that happens.

02:57:47.000 That's what I'm dedicating myself to now.

02:57:50.000 That's awesome.

02:57:51.000 Getting these hyper-local podcasts.

02:57:54.000 That's a great idea.

02:57:55.000 I think what you're saying is all of it's hopeful, right?

02:57:58.000 I'm very hopeful, Joe.

02:57:59.000 Of course.

02:58:00.000 Which is great.

02:58:01.000 I mean, because being cynical kind of sucks.

02:58:04.000 You know, especially when this really is a very unique time of possibility.

02:58:08.000 There's a lot of things that are happening right now.

02:58:10.000 It's a perfect time.

02:58:12.000 And it also feels like even to the people that...

02:58:15.000 Didn't want what Donald Trump is doing.

02:58:18.000 The idea to keep going with what was happening before, where you had someone running for president that never went through the primary, you know?

02:58:27.000 That was a constitutional crisis!

02:58:28.000 Right there!

02:58:29.000 The soft coup against Biden.

02:58:32.000 All that.

02:58:32.000 That should disturb you that that didn't...

02:58:34.000 Well, it should be good that that didn't work.

02:58:37.000 Because that's not good for anybody.

02:58:38.000 Because if they can keep doing it that way, then you never have a primary again.

02:58:42.000 Well, primaries, of course, are up to the party.

02:58:44.000 It's not necessarily a constitutional thing, but that should tell a Democrat, people who vote Democrat and are part of it.

02:58:50.000 I've never been a part of a party.

02:58:52.000 I'm not that interested.

02:58:52.000 I vote for people.

02:58:54.000 But that should tell them something like, there's something bad going on here.

02:58:58.000 Yeah, there's some shenanigans going on.

02:59:00.000 They could have had a primary.

02:59:00.000 What was it like in D.C. when you went for the inauguration?

02:59:04.000 Was it just like show business for ugly people?

02:59:06.000 There were a million people all over the place.

02:59:09.000 A million people all over the place.

02:59:10.000 Was it nuts?

02:59:11.000 It was weird.

02:59:12.000 Weird?

02:59:13.000 Yeah, very weird.

02:59:14.000 Because you go into...

02:59:15.000 I went to a lot of these things.

02:59:17.000 I went to a few of these things, like these dinners and stuff.

02:59:19.000 The balls?

02:59:19.000 The balls.

02:59:20.000 And it's a lot of people that donated a lot of money.

02:59:22.000 And so it's very transactional, and everybody's hyper-aggressive to get photographs and talk to people, and they interject themselves into conversations, interrupt, stand right in front of people that you're talking to, and want pictures, or want to introduce themselves, and it's...

02:59:39.000 It's very entitled and very transactional.

02:59:42.000 But I think that's always been the nature of politics, particularly people.

02:59:46.000 The reason why they were there is because they donated a substantial amount of money.

02:59:49.000 A million bucks a pop in here to go.

02:59:51.000 Yeah, which is nuts.

02:59:52.000 How do this many people have a million dollars to donate?

02:59:55.000 This is crazy.

02:59:56.000 Amazing, isn't it?

02:59:57.000 Amazing.

02:59:57.000 A lot of people got a million bucks.

02:59:59.000 I know.

03:00:00.000 It's all that USAID money.

03:00:02.000 I don't know what it is.

03:00:04.000 Well, there are a lot of successful people in the world who couldn't access that kind of cash, but wow.

03:00:10.000 But there was a lot of hope.

03:00:11.000 It was a very positive, obviously, because the winners were all there, but it was a very optimistic vibe, which felt good.

03:00:19.000 And even the speech, when he gave his inauguration speech, I mean, that was pretty fucking wild.

03:00:25.000 I love the black pastor from Detroit.

03:00:27.000 Yeah.

03:00:28.000 He was channeling MLK. He was just, like, going crazy.

03:00:33.000 You were sitting maybe like five rows behind Hillary Clinton.

03:00:36.000 Did you smell sulfur?

03:00:38.000 I smelled everything.

03:00:40.000 I saw Bill.

03:00:41.000 I made eye contact with Bill.

03:00:43.000 Me and Bill staring at each other for a while.

03:00:44.000 He's larger than life, even though he's kind of frail now.

03:00:48.000 He's still an imposing guy.

03:00:50.000 They're in the room with you.

03:00:53.000 It's a different kind of a celebrity.

03:00:55.000 I remember when I went to see the Rolling Stones at Coda, I was blown away.

03:01:00.000 Mick Jagger's right there.

03:01:01.000 That's actually him.

03:01:03.000 And he's dancing.

03:01:03.000 And he's this big, his butt's that wide.

03:01:07.000 He's a stick.

03:01:08.000 But he's right.

03:01:10.000 You know, he has two trailers that he brings with him that are just a gym.

03:01:13.000 Oh, it doesn't surprise me.

03:01:15.000 He works out every day.

03:01:17.000 What is he, like 78?

03:01:18.000 He's a thousand years old.

03:01:19.000 And he had open heart surgery?

03:01:21.000 Yeah.

03:01:21.000 Like recently.

03:01:23.000 Yeah, yeah.

03:01:23.000 Like recently had heart surgery.

03:01:24.000 That's an amazing guy.

03:01:26.000 Really, truly is.

03:01:27.000 Just fucking loves it, man.

03:01:28.000 And they put on a fucking hell of a show.

03:01:31.000 But my point is, like...

03:01:32.000 That's one of those things where you're like, I can't believe that's really him.

03:01:35.000 And that's what it's like when you're looking over there and you're like, holy shit, that's George W. Bush.

03:01:39.000 Do you think it was the real Biden or the Daddy Long Legs Biden?

03:01:43.000 I think it was the real one.

03:01:44.000 Okay.

03:01:44.000 I think.

03:01:45.000 Because you've seen the Daddy Long Legs guy, right?

03:01:47.000 He wasn't too tall.

03:01:48.000 That one guy was nuts.

03:01:50.000 And he's jogging to the helicopter.

03:01:52.000 I'm like, nuts.

03:01:54.000 I want to know the story about that.

03:01:56.000 Is there any paperwork on who that guy actually was?

03:01:59.000 Because that was not Joe Biden.

03:02:01.000 That's a guy with a mask on.

03:02:02.000 The mask things are real.

03:02:03.000 I can tell you this from family experience.

03:02:08.000 You can see them online.

03:02:09.000 Oh, from family experience.

03:02:10.000 Yes.

03:02:11.000 In 1967. Let's just leave the family members out of it.

03:02:16.000 But someone brought home a colleague from work, and the colleague had dinner and had coffee, and then at dessert, the wife was sitting there, had been talking to this person, and then this colleague took off his mask, and it was someone who the wife knew extremely well and had no idea.

03:02:37.000 1967. Whoa!

03:02:39.000 So imagine what they can do now.

03:02:41.000 The stuff that that CIA lady shows on the YouTube video, I think that's just old.

03:02:46.000 I mean, it's amazing.

03:02:48.000 67, that stuff already existed and worked.

03:02:51.000 How come they couldn't get somebody Biden's height?

03:02:54.000 You know, Tina says that, too.

03:02:55.000 I said, you know, they just didn't care at that point.

03:02:58.000 They needed someone who had his cadence, which I think is harder to do, to be kind of, you know, like that stumbling, bumbling.

03:03:05.000 Also, like, how many people do you bring this to?

03:03:08.000 And what is that guy doing now?

03:03:09.000 He needs a podcast.

03:03:10.000 That guy's dead.

03:03:11.000 He's got no...

03:03:12.000 That guy's at the bottom of the ocean.

03:03:14.000 What gig does he have now?

03:03:15.000 They took that guy fishing.

03:03:16.000 I hope not, but it's possible.

03:03:19.000 Who knows?

03:03:20.000 There's a lot of that going on.

03:03:22.000 I mean, we've spotted throughout the years, Hillary Clinton had, I know she had a double.

03:03:27.000 There was actually women who noticed it, like, she's carrying her handbag on the other shoulder.

03:03:32.000 It's like, no woman switches that up.

03:03:35.000 That never happens.

03:03:36.000 And you look at her like, yeah, she does look a little different.

03:03:38.000 But it's also, isn't that a mindfuck, though?

03:03:40.000 Because then you start looking at everybody like, that's not the real one.

03:03:42.000 Are you Joe Rogan?

03:03:43.000 Yeah.

03:03:44.000 What happened?

03:03:45.000 Who is it?

03:03:46.000 It's pretty crazy stuff.

03:03:48.000 It is.

03:03:48.000 I hope some of that comes out, too.

03:03:50.000 It would be great to know these things.

03:03:52.000 It would be great to stop lying.

03:03:55.000 Yeah, yeah.

03:03:56.000 You should stop lying.

03:03:57.000 Basically.

03:03:57.000 You should not have a fake...

03:03:58.000 I mean, is there some sort of national security explanation that you could give for why you would have to have a fake president?

03:04:05.000 Well, I mean, holy moly.

03:04:07.000 Have you ever seen the Kevin Kline movie?

03:04:09.000 Right.

03:04:10.000 There it is.

03:04:11.000 Wag the dog?

03:04:12.000 No, not Wag the Dog.

03:04:15.000 Dave.

03:04:16.000 Dave.

03:04:16.000 Yeah, Dave.

03:04:18.000 Exactly.

03:04:18.000 Yeah.

03:04:19.000 I mean, sure.

03:04:20.000 I mean, this happens all the time, these things.

03:04:23.000 Bizarre.

03:04:23.000 Yeah.

03:04:24.000 Who knows?

03:04:25.000 But, again, season of reveal.

03:04:27.000 We're learning things.

03:04:28.000 We won't learn everything, but we will become a lot wiser.

03:04:31.000 I'm convinced of it.

03:04:33.000 And I'm excited.

03:04:34.000 I am 60 years old and super excited and very bullish on the future, particularly of the United States.

03:04:40.000 And I'm seeing...

03:04:42.000 The influence we're having in Europe.

03:04:44.000 I'm seeing it.

03:04:45.000 People are like, we don't want this.

03:04:47.000 And it's tougher for them.

03:04:48.000 Like the UK, they don't really have a First Amendment like we do.

03:04:52.000 So it's like, you hurt someone's feelings on Facebook, you go into jail.

03:04:55.000 I mean, so they got a lot of work to do.

03:04:58.000 But, you know, I think Germany has a shot.

03:05:00.000 You know, I think the Netherlands has Geert Wilders.

03:05:04.000 France are really pushing back hard on Le Pen and right-wing people.

03:05:09.000 Viktor Orban in Hungary.

03:05:10.000 I mean, there's...

03:05:11.000 At a certain point, the people will just not take it anymore.

03:05:16.000 And it could get ugly over there.

03:05:18.000 But people are people.

03:05:20.000 I mean, we've had revolutions ourselves.

03:05:23.000 We've been pretty good at it.

03:05:24.000 Of course, we've got guns.

03:05:27.000 That was a smart move, founders.

03:05:29.000 Smart move.

03:05:30.000 First and Second Amendment were both...

03:05:32.000 The Second Amendment is there to protect the First, as far as I'm concerned.

03:05:36.000 I am bullish.

03:05:38.000 I really am.

03:05:38.000 I'm excited, Joe.

03:05:39.000 I am too.

03:05:40.000 Oh, good.

03:05:40.000 All right.

03:05:41.000 Good.

03:05:41.000 Well, thank you, brother.

03:05:42.000 It's always great to sit with you.

03:05:43.000 Thanks for starting this whole thing.

03:05:45.000 No, brother, thank you so much for what you do, brother.

03:05:47.000 Thank you, Jamie.

03:05:48.000 Appreciate you guys so much.

03:05:50.000 Tell everybody where they can watch No Agenda.

03:05:53.000 Noagendashow.net.

03:05:54.000 You can't watch it.

03:05:55.000 It's only a podcast.

03:05:57.000 Or listen.

03:05:57.000 Yeah, only listen.

03:06:00.000 We're too ugly.

03:06:01.000 We don't want you to look at us.

03:06:04.000 And get it on a modern podcast app at podcastapps.com.

03:06:08.000 So we won't disappear.

03:06:11.000 Overnight from Apple or some other platform.

The Joe Rogan Experience - February 13, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2273 - Adam Curry

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