In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience podcast, I sit down with Mike Baker to talk about his trip to the Middle East to raise money for the UK Special Forces Benevolent Fund. We talk about what it's like riding a camel in the deserts of Jordan and Saudi Arabia, and how it compares to riding a horse.
00:00:39.000But Howard Ledham and some others who came up with an idea.
00:00:43.000They said, look, we have to do something to help the Benevolent Fund, which is for the UK Special Forces.
00:00:48.000It's like wounded warriors here in the States.
00:00:52.000And I can say this because I'm a dual citizen with the U.K. The British don't tend to be very good at raising money or asking for money for very important causes.
00:01:02.000So here in the U.S. where you've got 100,000 different groups that are advocating for veterans...
00:01:16.000A big event, something massive that can really help to raise funds and awareness for the Special Forces Benevolent Fund.
00:01:23.000They came up with this crazy idea at the time, still crazy, to recreate...
00:01:29.000A 1917 epic journey that Lawrence of Arabia did through what was considered the unpassable deserts of Saudi and Jordan, to go from essentially northwest Saudi through these unpassable deserts and then into Jordan and then down to Aqaba to route the Turks, who at the time controlled the area.
00:01:50.000And with a small Arab army led by several sheikhs in Lawrence, they did this trek of about 1,100 kilometers.
00:01:59.000Took them several months because they had stopped along the way, plus they were fighting Turks along the way.
00:02:04.000So we took off in January, mid-January, five riders, ten camels, and an incredible support team.
00:03:21.000It sits behind the hump and is even less comfortable.
00:03:24.000And now these things were probably designed some 2,000 years ago, and they've never felt the need to improve them.
00:03:29.000They're basically just some wood, you know, tied together.
00:03:33.000And then you try to throw a couple of things on top of this piece of wood to make it comfortable.
00:03:38.000And I think all the Bedouins and others were laughing at us because we just kept piling blankets on to try to see if we couldn't, you know, it was tough.
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00:11:48.000Walking was comfortable enough, but you have to cover the distance, right?
00:11:53.000And the trot on a camel is not comfortable, right?
00:11:58.000And so it was, anyway, I just can't say enough good things about these people, but the cause, the UK Special Forces Club Benevolent Fund, if people want to go and read more about this, they can go to...
00:13:50.000Isn't it crazy that you have to look at things through this lens of who in the furthest left, kookiest perspective is going to be offended by this because it's a bunch of white people in the desert.
00:14:00.000If anything, it should give you a perspective on how unbelievably brutal the times were back then.
00:14:14.000But I do think, I think we are on the downhill slope of DEI. I think the grifters who built up that cottage industry are going to have to be looking for new jobs.
00:14:28.000Because I think most companies are starting to think, you know what, let's get off of this thing.
00:16:17.000I feel like at this point in our culture, the divisions are so fucking crazy, and it's so counter to what America should be standing for, which is a United States, united country, a community, a large group of people that all agree on a few very key rules, one of them being freedom.
00:20:46.000Any new emerging business, industry, technology, I think there are people who look and go, there's an opportunity here because regulatory policy hasn't caught up.
00:21:01.000Dave Portnoy's been paying attention to all this, and he's been buying coins and tweeting about them and then selling them, and he's been making a lot of money.
00:22:12.000When you meet really, really rich people, you feel poor, even if you're really wealthy.
00:22:15.000Well, that's the funny thing with him.
00:22:17.000I always think, like, right now, the past couple of weeks in particular, it seems like people are just losing their shit and dropping onto the fainting couch over the idea that he's accessing your private information, right?
00:24:05.000I mean, part of me finds it very entertaining.
00:24:07.000Part of me just looks at it and goes, I think what they're having a problem with is two things, is the messaging and the means of doing this, right?
00:24:17.000Everybody, you would think, would agree that, oh, you're going to go through government spending with a fine-tooth comb?
00:24:22.000You're going to find the waste and abuse and fraud?
00:25:08.000Good use to the pronunciation, Genghis.
00:25:10.000Well, I'm actually listening to an amazing podcast I'd love to recommend to everybody because Elon recommended it on X and I've been listening to it.
00:25:20.000Fall of Civilizations podcast, they're doing a series on the Mongols right now, Terror in the Steppes, and I am listening to it right now, so that's why I'm saying Genghis correctly.
00:27:29.000But yeah, I think if they had come in, if the administration had come in and said, here's what we're going to do.
00:27:37.000We are going to root out waste and fraud.
00:27:40.000We're going to go after, you know, every dollar that's not spent on behalf of the American public and our national security and advancing American interests.
00:27:48.000And we're going to do it in this efficient, you know, manner.
00:27:52.000But, you know, and again, don't get me wrong.
00:27:55.000I think sometimes, you know, the disruption of fast action is extremely beneficial at times.
00:28:00.000And sometimes you can't see the benefit until other things happen outside the bubble that we may be looking in.
00:28:08.000If they had messaged it a little bit differently, and then with the means, rather than taking a blowtorch to everything, because, and again, not saying that it can't be effective, but what I'm saying is that they're losing, I think, important opportunity from a goodwill perspective, and I know they probably don't give a fuck anymore, but all those people who voted, right, for them this time around, gave them that chance that didn't the previous time.
00:28:33.000They said, oh, fuck it, I'm so toned with the Biden administration and all this bullshit.
00:28:38.000They need to see, I think, more stability, less chaos.
00:28:42.000And I think the Democrats are very good.
00:28:44.000I think we all thought, perhaps, that the progressives, the Democrats, were just going to go into a cave and hide.
00:29:06.000If you give them ammunition, obviously they're going to take advantage of it.
00:29:09.000And I think some of the approach to this, again, not saying it's wrong in the sense of let's find that waste and fraud, but they're giving them opportunities to start firing back.
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00:31:21.000Well, the five people that watch CNN still were probably...
00:31:23.000There's probably 20. But the thing about it is they're all united in their message, whether it's MSNBC. I watched MSNBC the other day in the gym.
00:32:17.000Even kind, progressive people realize...
00:32:20.000You know, you've done a weird thing with women's sports.
00:32:24.000You've done a weird thing with the safety of women in bathrooms.
00:32:28.000And it's not to say that some of these people who are legitimate trans people who really do just want to use the women's room and be treated like a woman.
00:33:38.000They don't want to make, you know, people make a fuss over, they just want to move on.
00:33:41.000And then you've got a small minority that just can't seem to get enough attention.
00:33:44.000And when they can't get enough attention, then they do something, you know, even more wacky.
00:33:48.000I think it's a problem with a lot of the people that are quote-unquote leftists in general, is that they've been bullied and picked on all their life.
00:33:58.000And they've been fucked with, and now they have a gang.
00:34:00.000And now they're gonna go fuck with other people.
00:34:03.000Yeah, it's not much of a gang though, is it really?
00:34:11.000You know, it's like, this is like a core aspect of progressives right now online, is that when they're tweeting about stuff, when they're posting about stuff, it's very aggressive and very angry and insulting.
00:35:42.000I think that has a lot to do with it, because you start looking at things from a more libertarian perspective, from a merit-based perspective.
00:38:47.000Yeah, it's pretty wild now that, I mean, we have a little bit of a problem where a bunch of people are selling like cheap things online and using my voice and we have to get them removed.
00:38:57.000But that's just, you know, that's just opportunists are taking advantage, you know, I'm selling protein powders that I've never seen before, all that kind of shit.
00:39:30.000Embed the ability within the video clip, the audio clip, whatever.
00:39:36.000To show that you've got proof of whatever you want to call it, reality, credibility, authenticity, and that's the way it's all going because you just can't keep up.
00:39:47.000If all you're doing is trying to create better systems to detect deep fakes, it's a losing game.
00:39:51.000It's like battling terrorists because you're coming up with an IT to prevent a terrorist attack based on the last terrorist attack.
00:41:29.000I mean, like, if you were in Europe, right, you could be fined and jailed, right, in a case for, like, pushing something that's disinformation or whatever.
00:41:43.000But you can't, you know, if it's an obvious, to your point, if it's an obvious goof, then okay, you can probably get away with, maybe not if you're in Germany or somewhere, but...
00:42:00.000The head of the Munich Security Conference literally cried after the speech when they were addressing EU leaders following the speech, right, talking about, you know, the impact and what it might have meant for U.S.-EU relations and everything.
00:42:18.000What was it about his speech in particular that was offensive?
00:42:22.000Well, I think what they were anticipating at the Munich Security Conference was he was going to come in and he was going to talk about, obviously, the number one topic on the table for them was Ukraine.
00:42:31.000And, you know, where are we going with that?
00:42:33.000Because, obviously, the EU leaders are now very concerned about U.S. commitment to NATO. What is the Trump administration, you know, planning on doing in terms of further support for Ukraine, really further support for NATO? They're looking to distance themselves.
00:42:48.000And Vance instead came in and didn't really focus on any of that shit.
00:42:52.000He turned it on to the European Union and to EU countries and the UK, the UK in particular, talking about how...
00:43:00.000You know, their biggest threat isn't necessarily Russia or China.
00:43:04.000Their biggest threat is what they're doing to themselves in terms of suppressing free speech from all the various groups out there, including conservative groups, far left, whatever, determining that, you know, this type of speech is illegal.
00:44:09.000They understand that it's coming, and they want to do everything they can to stop it, because most people are fed up.
00:44:16.000Most people just want to be left the fuck alone.
00:44:18.000And if you tell them that they can't put a flag meme on one of their Facebook pages, or they get arrested, which is what happened in Germany.
00:44:27.000So if you talk about the immigration problem, and you say, look, we've got to stop.
00:44:31.000We've got to, you know, maybe secure borders.
00:44:34.000If you talk about the Ukraine war and say, I don't think we should be supporting, you know, dumping more resource into Ukraine, all those things, or reproductive rights, if you're on the wrong side of that from a European perspective, you know, they're coming after you.
00:44:46.000And so that's what J.D. Vance came after.
00:44:48.000He turned the tables on them and focused on that.
00:45:07.000And I think it's funny because a lot of people on...
00:45:10.000There's a lot of people on social media right now going, oh, my God, you don't realize how hated you are now as Americans, and the U.S. is so hated.
00:45:17.000I think, look, I spent most of my time overseas, right?
00:45:20.000And most people are going, yeah, it seems like it's common sense.
00:45:23.000You guys are finally coming around, right?
00:45:26.000And so I don't think they're going to win the argument that somehow the U.S. is more hated.
00:45:31.000Look, we've been hated in a variety of locations.
00:45:33.000Well, we definitely are hated in Canada right now.
00:46:47.000You know what I love is, I was just out in the Middle East for some things, including the amazing trek with the guys from the SF Club.
00:46:58.000It was right during the period of time when President Trump announced his idea during that press conference with Netanyahu about, look, we're going to own, the U.S. is going to own Gaza.
00:47:09.000Did you see a look on Netanyahu's face when he was saying that?
00:47:12.000Netanyahu's like, what in the fuck did I get into?
00:47:15.000And now you know what they're all doing?
00:47:16.000The Israeli cabinet is fully on board with the idea, in part because I think they understand that, okay, look, this is probably not going to happen, but if we take this position, it's going to create It's going to create some movement, right?
00:47:30.000And maybe that leads to something of interest.
00:47:32.000And I think being out in the Middle East when that idea came out and hearing some of the responses from people out there was amazing.
00:47:49.000The Egyptians have fought against this idea for years and years and years.
00:47:53.000That's a good point, and maybe a lot of people aren't aware of, is that the wall on the side of Egypt is way bigger than the wall on the side of Israel.
00:48:01.000That is an impenetrable wall that's heavily guarded.
00:48:04.000They do not want Palestinians coming into Egypt, which is kind of crazy.
00:48:08.000Well, from their perspective, look, it's a security issue.
00:48:11.000And there's a lot of Palestinian refugees in Jordan, so it's not like Jordan hasn't tried to do their part.
00:48:17.000But they also, what are they going to do, absorb another million, two million Palestinians?
00:48:56.000So the costs involved, the potential for just never-ending trouble.
00:49:02.000But what I do like about it is, look, now the Arab states are responding by having a summit, right?
00:49:11.000They're having a summit at the end of this month, and they've been having little mini-discussions amongst themselves, but all the key players in the area are now meeting to discuss what's an alternative.
00:49:31.000But the Arab states are having to react.
00:49:35.000And so what that means is nothing's worked beforehand, right?
00:49:39.000Nothing in terms of two-state, you know, option, other security agreements, peace agreements that have held for some period of time and then fallen apart.
00:49:51.000The sort of the disruptive aspect of sometimes of what Trump does, even though you may look at the idea on the surface and go, it's not going to work, you have these other effects, right?
00:50:00.000So now you've got the Arab states having to respond, coming up with these ideas.
00:50:04.000They're already over the past couple of days saying, well, Hamas can't play a role.
00:50:09.000If you had said that a year ago, Egypt and Qatar and some of these other Arab states out there would have gotten on board with the idea that Hamas has got to go.
00:51:50.000I'm not sure what the going rate is now, but, you know, for out there, it's, you know, it's a payment, ongoing payments to families.
00:52:00.000Who have family members who have attacked, wounded, or killed Israelis.
00:52:06.000And so, you know, that plus, you know, other ties between Hamas and the PA. And look, there's been animosity, obviously.
00:52:13.000Hamas drove the Palestinian Authority out of Gaza years ago.
00:52:16.000But, you know, the Israelis see it as the same.
00:52:19.000And so, you know, my point being is the Arab states are now reacting and...
00:52:24.000You could end up with something that actually works, as opposed to all the bullshit in the past that never did work.
00:52:30.000And it continued to provide nothing for the Palestinian people.
00:52:34.000And if you say, look, all this is about is we want the Palestinians to live a better life, then you should want new ideas thrown at the wall.
00:52:42.000And you should want something that eventually is going to work.
00:52:45.000And from a U.S. perspective, you should want something where the Arab states actually take it on board themselves.
00:52:50.000There's also a problem with the reality of the region at this point, right?
00:52:54.000It's like, what do you want to happen to that area?
00:52:59.000Look, absolutely Israel shouldn't have done what they did and kill who knows how many innocent people and literally destroy most of the buildings there.
00:53:09.000We all can agree that's a horrible thing, but it's done.
00:56:59.000Look, like, it's just, again, even to Dean's point, I always find this fascinating because somehow Americans could say this about the people in Hamas and go like, you know, like you said, yeah, I wouldn't like to be kicked out of my neighborhood, but if my...
00:57:11.000Government had done October 7th, I'd accept it.
00:57:21.000The drone bombing campaign in Pakistan?
00:57:23.000Can you get kicked out of your house now?
00:57:26.000Is it not ethnic cleansing if we were to kick you out of your neighborhood?
00:57:29.000This is so ridiculous that we impose these standards on these poor people that we would never dream of holding ourselves to that standard.
00:57:38.000It logically makes absolutely no sense.
00:57:40.000And it doesn't really matter what Hamas' approval rating is in the same way that it doesn't matter that George W. Bush had record high approval ratings.
00:57:47.000That doesn't mean that the innocent civilians in the United States of America Our fair game, and neither should any other group of civilians.
00:58:49.000It's the world that we live in, so I think, okay, on one hand, I get what he's saying, and I don't disagree on that moral side of things, but from my background, I don't tend to live in that world.
00:59:01.000I tend to live in sort of the operational side of things, and sometimes you have to do things that are not good.
00:59:35.000America finally came together as a group, as opposed to the partisan way that we live now.
00:59:41.000But we were justified based on a lie, which is even crazy, because they used that justification and went after a group of people that had nothing to do with it, based on a lie of weapons of mass destruction, which is even crazier, right?
00:59:53.000We went to a completely different country.
00:59:55.000Well, I think Hamas also, you know, these are disjointed statements, and I'm not really tying it all together very well at all, but, you know, there's also this element that Hamas doesn't give a shit about the Palestinian citizens, right?
01:00:36.000There's no way they would have done October 7th if they expected this response.
01:00:40.000Well, there's no way that the Iranian regime, I think, would have allowed them to do this if they anticipated they would get this sort of response.
01:02:22.000The problem is that the instigator of all this trouble, the instigator of the vast majority of chaos and instability and violence and death.
01:02:47.000The Iranian regime, you know, the mullahs and the IRGC, you know, they've got a stated objective and they are pursuing that as long as those people are in charge.
01:03:00.000Ultimately, we're not going to get a big sea change here.
01:03:02.000We're not going to get a huge shift in the way things go.
01:03:05.000But if you want a better life, then you've got to look to whatever you want to call it, the head of the snake or the top of the mountain.
01:03:11.000There they are, the Iranian regime driving a lot of this chaos.
01:03:14.000So anyway, I'm getting away from the point, but I don't disagree with Dave.
01:03:18.000I always like a lot of the things that he says.
01:03:19.000I just think that we come at it sometimes from a much different perspective.
01:03:24.000I don't tend to believe that the world is full of...
01:03:29.000I don't think that's his perspective either.
01:03:42.000I was having a conversation the other day, and it was about U.S. involvement in a variety of groups, activities, associations over the years, looking to...
01:03:55.000Topple governments looking to change, you know, the direction of a government.
01:04:02.000All the nefarious things that the CIA has been accused of over the years.
01:04:06.000And I was like, well, goddamn, what did you expect?
01:04:13.000Of course, we're trying to influence hearts and minds.
01:04:16.000Of course, we're infiltrating organizations to try to influence the direction of a government that, you know, you go all the way back to the Cold War, right?
01:04:22.000We were convinced the Russians or the Soviets were going to blow us to hell, right?
01:04:27.000Of course, we're going to be doing a variety of things.
01:04:29.000You want a government over there that's more friendly to you?
01:04:31.000Okay, how are we going to go about doing that, right?
01:04:33.000If that means VOA or Voice of America or that means infiltrating some organization that's going to try to win them, yeah.
01:04:38.000So, you know, is that morally repugnant?
01:05:04.000That's the problem, is that we don't live in a world of benign nations who, like, if we're not the police, you know, at the top of the food chain, nobody needs to be there.
01:05:13.000Someone's going to fill that gap, and you know what?
01:05:18.000Maybe I'm wrong, but I've been around a long time, and I've spent most of it overseas in unusual places.
01:05:26.000We make a lot of mistakes as a country.
01:05:27.000It's a human endeavor, but we do try to correct.
01:05:35.000But I've seen a lot of players out there, and I'd rather have us and our allies trying to direct traffic rather than some of the hostile actors that are out there.
01:05:46.000This is the best-case scenario perspective.
01:05:49.000Worst-case scenario perspective is that these policy changes that we are initiating and that we are influencing.
01:05:58.000Is for corporations to make more money.
01:06:01.000It's to control resources and to control areas and to make things friendlier for business.
01:06:07.000That's the worst case scenario is this is done in a mercenary fashion.
01:06:19.000Like, when you do have the ability to control other regimes, isn't it almost...
01:06:28.000Doesn't it almost logical that you are you're gonna need a lot of money and you're gonna need a lot of influence to do that and so there's gonna be a bunch of people say actually We could use some of those minerals Actually, you know that natural gas is very valuable, right?
01:06:42.000Actually if we could destabilize Russia's energy systems and you know pump up Ukraine's and control it That'd be pretty good.
01:06:50.000And so then We start initiating things and we start the coup in Ukraine in 2014 and a bunch of different things.
01:06:58.000We started helping things along that would benefit us both geopolitically, but also geopolitically in the sense that like you're controlling the geology of the land, which is the real term geopolitical, right?
01:10:24.000If it's not the poorest, it's like the second or third poorest country in the world.
01:10:28.000And isn't most of those mines, they're controlled by China?
01:10:32.000Well, a lot of them are controlled on the eastern side by militias, right?
01:10:36.000Congo's been a difficult place for everybody to try to wrap up licensing agreements, right?
01:10:42.000You know, you've got 100-plus militias out there vying for control because it's money, right?
01:10:48.000And so I guess my point is, I mean, you know, it's good you brought up China because, yes, they've been busy trying to lock up a variety of locations in terms of critical minerals, and they've got a monopoly on refining those minerals essentially at this point in time.
01:11:08.000Yeah, maybe what I'm surprised by, because I'm so fucking cynical, is, you know, the idea when you say, you know, it's corporate interests, it's government interests, it's self-interest of a nation, you know, to pursue and do these things.
01:11:26.000I'll be honest with you, I look at it and go, well, yeah, of course it is.
01:12:01.000So this is like a pragmatic perspective based on your experience overseas and your understanding of how these things are done is that if we don't do something, if we don't act in some way to influence these governments and control these regions and do whatever we can to make sure that our interests are being...
01:12:25.000That we are the ones that are kind of directing the way things go.
01:13:15.000Yeah, but this is the reality of that job, right?
01:13:18.000And this is the reality of international relations.
01:13:23.000Yeah, I just, you know, and look, I'll tell you something.
01:13:25.000Look, there are people over the years, I think, you know, the CIA leadership at times, over the years, I'm talking, you know, all the way back to World War II and, you know, beyond, certainly during the Cold War.
01:13:38.000Alan Dulles is a good example of that, where, you know, they legitimately would sit around and say, well, as far as I know, we're not in the business of overthrowing countries, you know?
01:13:47.000And you think, like, Well, that's bullshit.
01:13:50.000Of course that's what we're trying to do.
01:13:53.000We're trying to influence countries because we want them on our side.
01:13:56.000We want to create friendly governments that, yes, will be beneficial to our national security, our economic interests, all those things.
01:14:03.000So I've always been puzzled also by people who try to minimize that in a sense, right?
01:14:08.000I mean, if you're doing something, then goddammit, maybe own up to it.
01:14:14.000John Brennan, who was a director at the agency, right?
01:14:16.000He's a relatively well-known former CIA official for a handful of reasons.
01:14:21.000He was very tight in the Obama administration.
01:14:24.000But he said one time, I forget what year it was, but anyway, he talked about the business of the CIA and says, we don't steal secrets.
01:14:31.000Goddamn it, of course we steal secrets.
01:14:33.000That's the point of the exercise, right?
01:14:35.000You think the FSB or the Chinese Intel apparatus isn't stealing secrets?
01:15:14.000But I think it's an interesting comment from, you know, the director of an intelligence organization, you know, that...
01:15:21.000Is in the business of stealing secrets.
01:15:24.000So I'm sure you've seen Mike Ben's take on USAID and what USAID was really all about.
01:15:30.000And his perspective is that it's for everything that's too dirty for the CIA. He's saying USAID. Do you think there can be a rational argument, though, that a lot of these things that seem ridiculous, like sending all this money to influence the votes in Pakistan or in India, and then we look at it like, why are we spending $21 million on education here and $2 million there, and that these things are actually beneficial to the United States as a whole?
01:15:58.000Because even though we're spending exorbitant amounts of money, the results we're getting is we are...
01:16:05.000Maintaining peace by being in control of certain areas where someone else would come over, and then you'd get a regime that's not friendly to our interests.
01:16:14.000Yeah, yeah, look, I mean, USAID, traditionally, they were set up, what, during the Kennedy administration as a, you know, as an independent organization, right?
01:16:24.000Because at the time, I think that the thinking was, and they're not the only one that's set up as an independent agency, but, you know, at the time, the thinking was, we don't want it to be seen as like...
01:16:32.000The U.S. administration is picking and choosing and driving sort of where the money's going, which, again...
01:16:42.000It's kind of a strange way of doing things, right?
01:16:44.000It's coming from the fucking U.S. government, right?
01:16:46.000So people aren't going to parse words or discern somehow that, okay, well, it's an independent agency.
01:16:51.000So I guess it's not really what the administration wants.
01:17:28.000And that's another way of phrasing it, I suppose.
01:17:32.000Were they also doing things like feeding the poor?
01:17:35.000Providing medicines out there, doing actually legitimate things that I think sometimes people in a righteous world are like, well, that's exactly what they should be doing.
01:17:43.000Well, yeah, they should be doing that.
01:17:44.000We should be, you know, the USAT has got a lot of important programs that they run, right, that actually help people around the world who don't have many options.
01:17:54.000I think what the perspective of this administration has stated is that they're going to review all these programs and keep the useful ones.
01:19:01.000Yeah, that's the point, is I think going in there and calling it all waste and fraud and a criminal organization, I think, is not the right messaging.
01:19:10.000I think that the American public would be fully on board if you simply said, again, we're going...
01:19:17.000We're going to focus on those programs that help people around the world legitimately.
01:19:23.000But I think the problem is the people that are opposed to this administration are never going to see the good in anything that comes out, even if it does uncover undeniable fraud.
01:19:33.000I think we're just so dug in now, especially the fog of war post-election, which seems real in this country.
01:19:42.000Fog of hate on both sides, gloating on the right, and bitterness and anger and hyperbole as to the extent of what's happening on the left.
01:19:54.000It's all a constitutional crisis and a destruction of democracy and a real dictator that's in place.
01:20:00.000And all the things that they feared coming into this election now have come to light in their eyes.
01:20:07.000No, again, yeah, and that is the messaging that's gone out.
01:20:12.000You know, I think the first weeks after the election, there was confusion and, you know, sort of a – they were going through that grief cycle on the left.
01:20:21.000But now I think you're seeing that they are, you know, coming together on that messaging.
01:20:24.000I think now they're starting to get more focused.
01:21:04.000But I keep going back to that same thing.
01:21:06.000I've never been particularly impressed with the messaging, and I get it.
01:21:09.000When I say that, people always, you know, on the right come after me and go, oh, God, well, that's what makes MAGA MAGA, you know, that's what makes, you know, Trump, Trump is, you know, just, and I don't disagree with sort of, again, the benefits sometimes of being disruptive, but I do think that, you know, you can't just look at USAID and say it's all, it's a big old criminal organization, right?
01:21:29.000You should be a little bit more, I mean, Kevin O'Leary, you mentioned him earlier.
01:21:34.000For all that talk, I guarantee you if he had a large company, he wouldn't just shit-can everything right off the bat.
01:21:47.000When you take over a failing company that's filled with bloat and waste, you cut more out.
01:21:52.000Then even you think is necessary, and then you figure out what you need.
01:21:55.000But he would go through—there would be a thoughtful initial review phase in a corporate environment.
01:22:00.000I think I would argue that, that even he would do that.
01:22:03.000He's not just going to pull the pin and throw it in the room and say, okay, now let's see what we actually need.
01:22:08.000Well, isn't what this administration has done is putting a pause on everything?
01:22:11.000And then they're— Doing an audit of things and then a review.
01:22:16.000But that's not the way it comes across because in part because the media is not, like you said, they're not going to give them a break, right?
01:22:21.000So even if they said that that's what we're doing and here's how we're doing it, here are the people on the transition team.
01:22:27.000I mean, you know, who are the people on Elon's Doge team, right?
01:22:30.000I mean, can you name half a dozen of them?
01:23:04.000So your perspective is that, of course there's waste, of course there's fraud, but if you don't understand international relations, if you don't understand this long tradition of supporting regimes that...
01:24:28.000If there is corruption, if they're still able to dump a bunch of money into a bunch of different projects and funnel stuff around and move stuff into these areas where it can't be traced, which is apparently where at least some of it goes.
01:24:51.000You go in and you do your investigation because you don't know what the iceberg looks like.
01:24:56.000You don't know what's underneath the surface.
01:24:58.000So you want to be able to go through it in a methodical way.
01:25:01.000And, you know, if you walk into the World Bank and say, we think there's fraud here in this department over here.
01:25:07.000And the World Bank, just as an aside, if they think there's fraud somewhere, they have to notify the people that they suspect of fraud that they're going to initiate a fraud investigation before they do it.
01:26:00.000I don't know that blowing it up and then saying we're going to rebuild it.
01:26:03.000It's like when Kash Patel or anyone else, you know, for an organization, they talk about the FBI. Let's raise it to the ground and start over.
01:26:50.000Yeah, well, I think I would argue that, you know, they're going to find this is a years-long process anyway, no matter how much of a, you know, jump they get at the starting block, you know, but I think that...
01:27:01.000Well, Mike Banks thinks it's going to take 50, 60 years.
01:30:44.000I think he felt like, you know, they just couldn't come to an agreement on whether or not he could take home whatever.
01:30:49.000Sacred object he was trying to get from them.
01:30:51.000I forget what it was, but it was something that they would never sell or trade and he was insisting on it and they're like, oh, fuck this guy.
01:30:59.000And then I think they had some time to stew on it while he was gone.
01:31:02.000And then when he came back, like, this dumb motherfucker's back.
01:31:06.000Can you imagine how surprised they were when he showed up again?
01:32:14.000It was published by the Associated Press in March of 1962, a second investigation later that year by a patrolman named Wim van der Waal on behalf of Dutch colonial government, came to the same conclusion.
01:32:26.000Van der Waal was given a skull bearing no lower jaw and a hole in the right temple, the hallmarks of the remains that had been headhunted and opened to consume the brains, which he turned over to Dutch authorities who never asked him to write a written report and never asked him to verbally report his conclusion.
01:32:43.000The information was apparently deemed politically sensitive in part because the fragile state of the Dutch Empire in the Indonesian archipelago and in part because of Nelson Rockefeller's political celebrity in the United States.
01:32:56.000The findings of van der Waal's investigation are restated in the written memoir of Anton van der Waal, a successor missionary to van Kessel.
01:35:40.000Yeah, there's a famous story of a guy where they killed his friend, chopped him up, threw his guts on him, and then they gave him, I think, a 30-second head start, and he escaped.
01:36:25.000Oh, this is when he swam to the shore.
01:36:28.0001961, Michael Rockefeller was traveling to this dangerous area of dense rainforest, mangrove swamps, and crocodile-infested mudflats known as the Land of the Lapping Death when a small catamaran capsized in rough seas.
01:37:04.000And you've got your shipmates, and they're there.
01:37:06.000And your decision, the way that you process this, is to swim to the Lapping Island of Death.
01:37:13.000That doesn't show a lot of thought there.
01:37:15.000Well, he thought he could make it, and he's already visited them before.
01:37:18.000There was another article that I had read, Jamie, that actually recounted the moment he was killed, that they picked him up in a canoe and speared him in the canoe.
01:37:27.000That's what I was reading through the Wikipedia.
01:37:29.000There's been multiple times, starting with seven years later, to try to investigate what happened, and I don't know how you would really go about doing that.
01:37:38.000Yeah, the most recent article was like there was some recent revelation, Some information that was given to them by the tribespeople about what happened.
01:37:46.000The first one said that they sent a guy down there, a private investigator, who came back with three skulls, and they said one of them was the skull.
01:37:51.000So I don't know how they would prove that.
01:37:54.000Well, DNA. You know what's going to solve this problem is going to be the newly formed U.S. government agency for the declassification of documents.
01:39:38.000What the real story was, there's a subscription model for...
01:39:42.000for Politico where you get news like instantaneously and it costs like 10,000 bucks and there was a bunch of those subscriptions that were in many different agencies.
01:40:03.000You know, roll that out rather than saying, you know, they've been funding, you know, because in a short burst, it sounds much worse, right? - It's still, you still can argue, is this really necessary?
01:40:54.000And that people are receiving Social Security that are 150 years old.
01:41:00.000But I don't think that is the reality as it's being explained by people who understand COBOL. The language and this computer programming language they use is ancient, right?
01:41:13.000Which is kind of crazy that they're still using that, right?
01:41:17.000So some guy who understands it was explaining that if certain factors aren't taken into consideration or certain things aren't entered in...
01:41:28.000You know, like, date of birth or when.
01:41:41.000And it doesn't mean money's going out to them.
01:41:43.000And so, yeah, again, from a messaging perspective, you know, does Elon need to, like, you know, screenshot that and then send it out as a tweet or whatever we call X nowadays.
01:41:51.000And then suddenly you've got, you know, a couple million people going, oh, my God, we're paying dead people.
01:41:57.000That's the problem with being hyperbolic.
01:42:00.000I'm going to send this to you, Jamie, because I would confuse myself.
01:42:03.000And so I was like, what exactly are they saying?
01:42:06.000Because it seems like the people that understand that programming language are the ones that aren't jumping on board and saying, hey, this is what's happening.
01:43:16.000It's just COBOL, C-O-B-O-L. Legacy government systems, especially Social Security, still rely on COBOL, a language designed before anyone thought databases would need to track people beyond 99 years old.
01:43:29.000The numbers you're laughing at aren't literal ages.
01:43:32.000They're most likely misinterpreted categorical codes or data artifacts from outdated formatting.
01:44:19.000Programmer, coder in today's parlance.
01:44:22.000As many old programmers know COBOL, young coders don't.
01:44:26.000When Musk claims that Social Security is paying thousands of 150-year-olds, I think someone should let him know that COBOL, in COBOL, if a data is missing, if a data is missing, the program defaults to 1875. Example, 2025, 1875 equals 150. So for some reason, if data is missing, the program defaults to this ancient date, and it's just a problem with data.
01:45:41.000But this other one that I just sent Jamie, so there's this woman who's a whistleblower, and she's saying they were incentivized to qualify illegals for long-term disability, to qualify illegals for Social Security for life.
01:45:55.000And in quotes, she says, they wanted us to try to identify them in such...
01:46:02.000Now, long-term Social Security disability is for life.
01:46:05.000So if they got identified and qualify for long-term Social Security disability, they're as good as set up for life.
01:46:13.000That doesn't sound like a refugee to me, she's saying, just being honest.
01:46:17.000It sounds like someone who's planning on staying here.
01:46:19.000So they're instructed to try to identify, to try to get the client because once they arrive here, now they're called clients.
01:46:26.000So they told us that we needed to talk to the client and ask them if they had any headaches, reoccurring headaches, or any lower back problems.
01:46:35.000Anything that would qualify them for Social Security long-term disability, which is crazy.
01:46:42.000Yeah, and then, but again, trackable information, you would think, right?
01:46:48.000So you can go in, if you're serious and persistent about it, you should be able to go in and identify, yes, we have the following.
01:46:55.000Let's listen to this lady talk about this.
01:46:56.000So this is something that, you know, when people are talking about the problems of Social Security, this seems, if she's telling the truth, this seems real.
01:47:05.000Just being honest, that sounds like somebody who's planning on staying here.
01:47:08.000A refugee stays until the problem's over and then goes home.
01:47:29.000I'm starting to see where this is leading here.
01:47:31.000So they told us that we needed to talk to the client and ask them if they had any Headaches, recurring headaches, or any lower back problems.
01:49:48.000But what would be the benefit of that?
01:49:50.000The benefit of that would be you get a voter for life.
01:49:54.000If you are in whatever party, whether it's the Republican Party or whoever it is that allows this to happen and hooks these people up and sets them up, you would think that those people are going to vote that way for life because those are the people that gave them American citizenship essentially, gave them Social Security for life.
01:50:13.000All you have to do is tell them, look, you get this check for life.
01:50:34.000And that is the theory, the narrative that says that's why the last four years we had essentially an open border policy was to bring in 10, 11, 12 million new voters, right?
01:50:43.000I mean, that's the way that that story unfolds.
01:51:03.000Most people don't follow along the lines of, I'm doing things for ideology.
01:51:06.000Most people have other, more base motives.
01:51:08.000My take is, if you've got a place that's awesome, and you've got a system that's awesome, expand awesomeness.
01:51:14.000Don't bring in people that aren't awesome.
01:51:16.000And don't bring in people from places that aren't awesome.
01:51:18.000So the problem is, if you bring people in that are criminals and have a lifelong history of selling drugs and being involved in the cartel, they're not going to come over here, you know what, I need to join the union and be a pipefitter.
01:51:30.000They're going to fucking continue to do what they've done their whole goddamn life.
01:52:33.000And the last four years, and I would argue during the Obama administration, they oftentimes, from a national security perspective, seem to run it based on how they hoped the world would be, right?
01:52:46.000As opposed to how the world actually is, right?
01:52:50.000You know, like them or hate them, you know, again, the current administration tends to, you know, I think, look at things in a more pragmatic way.
01:52:58.000Do you think they'll be able to do that with USAID? Do you think they'll be able to convince some of these other people that are all these USA first people that don't think we should be spending any money overseas that maybe some of this money is well spent for our best interest?
01:54:42.000So, I mean, but again, hey, look, I think it's great in the sense that I never thought I'd see the day where some of these Arab states would turn around and say Hamas has got to go.
01:54:51.000I mentioned it before, but that's a sea change.
01:55:04.000Earlier today, they finished conversations in Riyadh, in Saudi Arabia, between Sergey Lavrov and Marco Rubio and Steve Witkoff on the U.S. side to start the discussions about peace in the conflict, right?
01:55:17.000Without Ukrainian representation or the Europeans there.
01:55:31.000But now that they've done it, right, again, under this idea that, yeah, you can't, you have to bring them in, but the fact that you just jumped into the breach and got started, right?
01:55:43.000In the previous administration or in a normal administration, I'd argue, getting to the table where you'd sit down and talk, look, this is the first time we've...
01:55:52.000Talked to the Russians really in a serious way since the invasion back in 2022. So the fact that most administrations would have taken a year just to map out, okay, well, this is what the talks are going to look like.
01:56:04.000And this is what the conference table will look like.
01:56:07.000And this is where people are going to sit.
01:56:08.000And this is what we're going to be able to say.
01:56:10.000And it would take months and months and months to get that.
01:56:51.000So now the U.S. is the leading military provider of military hardware gear.
01:56:57.000But if you combine humanitarian, financial, and military all together...
01:57:00.000EU institutions and EU countries have actually allocated more than the US has.
01:57:05.000And that, you know, logic would say, buys them a seat at the table for any peace talks, aside from the fact that they're sitting right there, you know, close to Russia.
01:57:15.000They've taken in a vast number of Ukrainian refugees.
01:57:19.000You've got Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania sitting right there on the border with Russia.
01:57:24.000They've got a real reason to want to be involved.
01:57:34.000Much like the Arab states with the Gaza issue.
01:57:36.000So now they're saying, well, Keir Starmer over in the UK is saying, we'd be willing to put boots on the ground for some sort of peacekeeping force.
01:57:44.000And other nations, some are pushing back.
01:57:46.000Poland, Germany, they're not about deploying troops to Ukraine to enforce some sort of peace deal.
01:58:17.000I think, you know, people are really up in arms over the idea that they've started the talk without the Ukrainians sitting at the table.
01:58:23.000But I don't think there's any intention in any plausible scenario where the U.S. doesn't get them involved here in the very near future because otherwise it's going nowhere.
01:58:34.000When Zelensky says that he hasn't received $100 billion, what does that actually mean?
01:58:40.000Does it mean it just hasn't gotten to Ukraine yet?
01:58:57.000And these Ukrainians, they're all super wealthy.
01:58:59.000And he thinks that some of that is, you know.
01:59:04.000Yeah, he's not going out on a limb there.
01:59:07.000I mean, look, Ukraine, one of their big problems over years and years has been corruption and fraud.
01:59:12.000And one of the reasons why there was pushback against this idea of NATO, even though back in 2008 or 9, 2008, at a European summit, they actually said during the NATO summit, they said, yes, at some point in the future, Ukraine and Georgia will become members of NATO. We're not going to give you a timetable.
01:59:36.000I'm not going to tell you what that's going to look like, but you can become members of NATO. But one of the problems has been the level of corruption within Ukraine.
01:59:44.000So is some of that money, both from the US and from the EU, gone missing and lining pockets?
02:00:17.000Well, that's, again, you would like to think that Doge, one of their jobs would be to go...
02:00:22.000And I think if there was more transparency in how the money is spent, as there should be, then maybe the taxpayers would be a little bit more understanding or lenient.
02:00:36.000But they're not going to be lenient or understanding for any fraud where people are getting rich off of this.
02:00:41.000There are people that are getting rich off of this.
02:00:43.000I remember there was one guy that had to resign because it turned out he had somehow or another moved around a billion dollars that he shouldn't have.
02:01:13.000Why did Russia actually invade in the first place?
02:01:16.000Well, my company was out in Iraq, you know, shortly, actually a little bit before, but then, you know, following the 2003 entry of the U.S. into Iraq.
02:01:26.000And so we were there for a handful of years, right, providing security assistance to a variety of organizations.
02:01:35.000And, you know, you didn't have to look hard or far to see, you know, there'd be some group coming into town saying, hey, we just started up this company, you know, and it's an 8A company.
02:01:46.000Look, we're owned by Eskimos or, you know, handicapped women or whatever.
02:01:50.000They just set up some bullshit company to get government contracts.
02:02:12.000But I think sometimes the problem is in government, there's like an accepted loss concept, like with, you know, credit cards or retail operators, right?
02:04:03.000Your evenings were spent with a bowl of unshelled nuts, walnuts, and you'd crack them, and that was your activity while you talked to your mom and dad or something.
02:04:11.000If you ever showed someone a phone back then and say, someday, people are going to jerk off looking at that.
02:04:17.000They'd be like, what are you even talking about?
02:04:19.000That's the dumbest prediction of all time.
02:04:37.000If you had one of them ones that had a little portable one with the cord attached, and you'd hang it up on that like a desk one, you could bring a long cord if you were lucky.
02:06:45.000I don't get the investments because nobody thinks I have money, but I'll get sort of a request for, how about a hookup with somebody in some...
02:06:54.000Part of the country or government there.
02:10:36.000I did several days out in Yellowstone one time for a TV show, an episode, and following, or trying to anyway, the lives of a family out there.
02:11:40.000I saw that, and it's front and center, but I know exactly who's voting in favor of it, because I've talked to those people who don't understand at all how it operates.
02:11:55.000Well, apparently it's a pet project, no pun intended, of the governor of Colorado's husband.
02:13:05.000She studied wolves her whole life, and she's not in favor of reintroduction of wolves.
02:13:10.000She thinks they should reintroduce to areas naturally, and they were going to do that anyway.
02:13:15.000They were going to migrate into these areas naturally, and that's the best way to let it happen.
02:13:19.000But she said they can travel hundreds and hundreds of miles, and that this wolf probably came all the way from Oregon and just made its way down.
02:13:51.000And I'm glad to hear that she's, after all that experience, she's not in favor of a program.
02:13:56.000I mean, that shows a lot of common sense.
02:13:58.000Well, it just throws a giant monkey wrench into whatever ecosystem there is.
02:14:01.000But the reality of the ecosystem in Montana, where they did reintroduce wolves, was that they were very overpopulated with elk, to the point where, well, she was explaining this, they used to have these winter seasons for cow elk, and, you know, it's basically shooting fish in a barrel because they're stuck in deep snow, and you could just pick them off.
02:14:20.000And they did that because they were heavily overpopulated.
02:14:23.000The land couldn't sustain the numbers.
02:14:25.000And so they offered opportunities for hunters.
02:19:30.000Anyway, so they said, this is what we're going to do.
02:19:32.000So they did, and they said, we're updating the way that we digitize and hold on to all our records.
02:19:37.000And during the course of that, then when Trump issued his executive order about the release of the files, and also for RFK and MLK, Then the Bureau says, well, we were able to, because we'd done this digitizing and this way of tracking our records, we were able to find 2,400 documents that are related that we just didn't know about.
02:19:57.000So there's those, and then there's maybe 5,000 other documents left that haven't been released.
02:20:03.000Well, Trump was quoted as saying that if you saw what they showed me, you wouldn't release it either.
02:21:52.000I think what we're going to find is, this is just me speculating, obviously, but I think what we're going to find with the released documents is, A, there's no smoking gun.
02:22:02.000B, it's not going to stop people from believing what they believe.
02:22:07.000It's not going to put anything to rest.
02:22:10.000And I think also there probably will be – one of the reasons I think some of these things were withheld was because it's embarrassing perhaps to the CIA and the FBI also in terms of their collaboration.
02:22:24.000Look, Lee Harvey Oswald was on their radar for good reasons, right, for counterintelligence reasons.
02:23:39.000But I think it's – I guess – so my point is that I think he was on the radar.
02:23:44.000And I think what happened was in the documents we may find that the CIA at the time was not proactive enough.
02:23:53.000And they didn't work well with the FBI. There was real friction between those two.
02:23:58.000And I think that, you know, if they had, if they had brought in the FBI, informed them, said, look, we've got the Cuban embassy and the Soviet embassy down in Mexico under observation.
02:24:09.000We've had this guy on our radar for some time.
02:24:11.000He's now come back to Dallas and New Orleans.
02:25:55.000As I watch my life whirl away, I think to myself, how easy to die and a sweet death to violins.
02:26:01.000Oswald was discovered in time to thwart his attempted suicide.
02:26:04.000He was taken to a hospital in Moscow where he was kept until October 28, 1959. Still intent, however, in staying in the Soviet Union, Oswald went on October 31st to the American Embassy to renounce his U.S. citizenship.
02:26:17.000Mr. Richard A. Snyder, the then second secretary and senior consul officer at the embassy, testified that Oswald was extremely sure of himself and seemed to know what his mission was.
02:26:30.000He took charge in a sense of the conversation right from the beginning.
02:26:35.000He presented the following signed note.
02:26:39.000I, Lee Harvey Oswald, do hereby request that my present citizenship in the United States of America be revoked.
02:26:45.000And then they let him back in the United States.
02:26:47.000So this is why the more tinfoil hat wearing amongst us say this fucking guy, he was working for the government.
02:27:44.000His family doesn't want this released.
02:27:47.000They don't want the remaining documents released.
02:27:50.000And I think the reason there is because, look, they, you know, Hoover and the federal and state law enforcement had a real hard-on for Martin Luther King, obviously, right?
02:28:01.000And they were covering him three ways to Sunday, so including wiretaps, some that were signed off by RFK, right, by Robert Kennedy, so as Attorney General.
02:28:14.000You know, the family is like, look, do you really need to release these records?
02:28:18.000Because I think they're worried about, you know, embarrassing information about their perhaps about his lifestyle.
02:28:22.000Hasn't a lot of that already been released?
02:28:24.000Yeah, it's been talked about and everything, but I think if you dump it out there, you know, whereas...
02:28:29.000Whereas with JFK's documents, look, they've released some 5 million pages of his, right?
02:28:36.000I mean, estimates are like, oh, we've released like 99% of the documents.
02:28:40.000It's not that high a percentage with MLK. So I think there's a potential for embarrassment, but I also, same thing, I don't think in those documents, because I don't think anybody's going to, they're not going to self-incriminate, right?
02:31:34.000Because those documents are like interviews of people on the grassy knoll, interviews of people who knew Jack Ruby in his life.
02:31:43.000My friend Evan Hafer has an interesting perspective on it, you know, Special Forces guy.
02:31:48.000He thinks that those guys who got fucked over at the Bay of Pigs when they didn't get air support from Kennedy, that if you were going to find a group of hardened individuals that were essentially...
02:32:23.000Well, also, he fucked them over because they got him elected in Chicago and then he turned on them and then they started investigating them and they're like, hey, motherfucker.
02:32:31.000And then depending on who you talk to, Jack Ruby was either mobbed up or he did it because he was Jewish and he didn't want, you know, the Jewish community to take the...
02:34:46.000Hulazi burned 603 ETH to allege Chinese hedge fund CEO's use of brain computer weapons.
02:34:55.000Large donations totaling of 1,950 ETH were made to various addresses including WikiLeaks in Ukraine.
02:35:06.000A self-identified Chinese programmer has burned 603 ETH, approximately $1.65 million, and donated 1,900 ETH. And so this guy, I don't understand why he's donating the money.
02:35:34.000Okay, he sent 500 ETH to the Byrne address with this message.
02:35:39.000The CEO of Quan Day Investment, Feng Jin, and Yuji, used brain computer weapons to persecute all company employees and former employees, and even they themselves were controlled.
02:35:59.000The individual, identifying as Hu Le Zi, Sent multiple on-chain messages accusing Quan Day Investment CEO Feng Jin and Zhu Zhu Zi of using what they term brain computer weapons against employees and former employees.
02:36:17.000Quan Day Investment, known as Wizard Quant, is a hedge fund specializing in quantitative trading.
02:37:36.000I'm not going to go into some grand thought, but look, I mean, we're engaged in World War I-style warfare in Europe now, right, with trench warfare between Ukraine and Russia.
02:37:47.000We're talking about mind control from the Chinese regime.
02:37:50.000That was what started MKUltra was fear of the Soviets and the North Koreans at the time getting engaged in mind control and the worry that we were somehow behind the curve and that they had this technology capability to control minds.
02:38:03.000And so next thing you know, MKUltra is born.
02:38:08.000I wonder what's the method they're supposedly using to control these people's minds.
02:38:20.000Elaborates on alleged activities they're engaged in, which include deploying brain computer chips to control all citizens until they become complete slaves to the digital machine.
02:38:30.000Sillumini, distraught, lazy, who described himself as an ordinary computer programmer and entrepreneur.
02:38:36.000That's what I would say too, if I work for the Chinese government.
02:38:38.000Claims he's been controlled by the mind control organization from the time he was born, but only discovered he's being manipulated in October, 2022.
02:38:47.000So from the time he was born, they had a chip in his brain.
02:40:36.000Like, if the government had recovered some crash in 1947 in Roswell, New Mexico, and it really was an alien spaceship, that seems like something they would document.
02:41:01.000I mean, transparency, you know, to the degree that you can where, you know, you're not releasing national secrets that are going to get people killed.
02:41:08.000But the Epstein files, you know, so I think there's real value in saying we've got – because the government always overclassifies, always overclassifies.
02:41:19.000And, you know, it's unnecessary and it creates, you know, this distrust, I think, half the time.
02:41:32.000Because I don't think, honestly, I don't think there's a lot of information there.
02:41:36.000But I do think with the UFOs, all the documentation and the investigations that took place of unknown sightings, but it's still going to not convince people that we're not holding on to, you know, crashed.
02:41:51.000Well, when you've got guys like David Grush, you know, who's the whistleblower that comes out and says, not only do we have these ships, but we have biological entities.
02:42:36.000And that's the problem, and that's going to be the problem with the release of the files.
02:42:39.000Also, if I was going to obscure some sort of a government propulsion system that's like 50 years ahead of anything we could imagine, that's how I would do it.
02:42:47.000I'd obscure it by saying, oh, there's some fucking alien technology.
02:42:50.000It's available, and we don't really know how to use it, but they do visit us from time to time, and occasionally they crash.