The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2274 - Mike Baker

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00:00:12.000 Mike Baker, good to see you, my friend.

00:00:15.000 It's good to be seen.

00:00:16.000 Thank you, Mr. Rogan.

00:00:18.000 Thank you.

00:00:19.000 You're taking notes already?

00:00:20.000 I am.

00:00:21.000 He said good...

00:00:22.000 Just see you.

00:00:23.000 Yeah, I know.

00:00:24.000 I don't know what...

00:00:25.000 I do this.

00:00:26.000 So tell everybody what you were doing in the Middle East, because it's pretty crazy. 0.98

00:00:29.000 Oh, thank you.

00:00:30.000 Yeah, thank you for that.

00:00:31.000 Look, it all started with some colleagues of mine from the UK Special Forces Club.

00:00:37.000 And these guys are tremendous, right?

00:00:39.000 But Howard Ledham and some others who came up with an idea.

00:00:43.000 They said, look, we have to do something to help the Benevolent Fund, which is for the UK Special Forces.

00:00:48.000 It's like wounded warriors here in the States.

00:00:52.000 And I can say this because I'm a dual citizen with the U.K. The British don't tend to be very good at raising money or asking for money for very important causes.

00:01:02.000 So here in the U.S. where you've got 100,000 different groups that are advocating for veterans...

00:01:09.000 Over there, it's not the case, right?

00:01:11.000 But they have the same need, right?

00:01:12.000 And they have all these wonderful people and their families.

00:01:14.000 So the idea was, what can we do?

00:01:16.000 A big event, something massive that can really help to raise funds and awareness for the Special Forces Benevolent Fund.

00:01:23.000 They came up with this crazy idea at the time, still crazy, to recreate...

00:01:29.000 A 1917 epic journey that Lawrence of Arabia did through what was considered the unpassable deserts of Saudi and Jordan, to go from essentially northwest Saudi through these unpassable deserts and then into Jordan and then down to Aqaba to route the Turks, who at the time controlled the area.

00:01:50.000 And with a small Arab army led by several sheikhs in Lawrence, they did this trek of about 1,100 kilometers. 0.95

00:01:59.000 Took them several months because they had stopped along the way, plus they were fighting Turks along the way.

00:02:04.000 So we took off in January, mid-January, five riders, ten camels, and an incredible support team.

00:02:13.000 An incredible support team.

00:02:14.000 Can I just type you there?

00:02:15.000 Is this your first time riding a camel?

00:02:17.000 Well, we went out in December, spent about a week and a half.

00:02:20.000 Howard lives out there, as to one of the other fellows.

00:02:26.000 So you had to go through camel riding training?

00:02:28.000 Camel riding training.

00:02:29.000 That's exactly what we did.

00:02:33.000 What is it like riding a camel?

00:02:35.000 It is not comfortable in any fashion.

00:02:37.000 It's not like a horse.

00:02:38.000 You can fall into sort of a rhythm, and a horse has a much smoother gait.

00:02:43.000 So the camel, basically, all you're trying to do, there's the crew.

00:02:48.000 Wonderful guys.

00:02:49.000 Howard, James, myself, Tomo.

00:02:51.000 There's Craig in the back.

00:02:54.000 An amazing crew.

00:02:55.000 I've rarely worked with guys that are just so impressive.

00:02:59.000 And again, going with the support team.

00:03:01.000 Everybody that was on that group, a small group of eight or nine folks.

00:03:05.000 Why does everybody ride with one leg to the side like that?

00:03:09.000 It's essentially a comfort issue.

00:03:11.000 And because you'll notice there's no...

00:03:13.000 They're not really saddles.

00:03:15.000 They're called Shadads that sit on top of the hump. 1.00

00:03:18.000 That's a Saudi Shadad. 0.76

00:03:19.000 The Omani Shadad is different.

00:03:21.000 It sits behind the hump and is even less comfortable.

00:03:24.000 And now these things were probably designed some 2,000 years ago, and they've never felt the need to improve them.

00:03:29.000 They're basically just some wood, you know, tied together.

00:03:33.000 And then you try to throw a couple of things on top of this piece of wood to make it comfortable.

00:03:38.000 And I think all the Bedouins and others were laughing at us because we just kept piling blankets on to try to see if we couldn't, you know, it was tough.

00:03:45.000 And so ass blisters are a real thing. 1.00

00:03:48.000 Oh, yeah.

00:03:49.000 Yeah, so anyway, that's what you see there.

00:03:52.000 But there's no stirrups on these things.

00:03:53.000 Like a horse, you know, you're riding on the saddle, you've got stirrups, and it takes the pressure off your legs.

00:03:58.000 You're just hanging on.

00:03:59.000 So you don't want to ride with one leg on either side because it's just not comfortable.

00:04:03.000 So you hitch your leg over the front.

00:04:06.000 And then you kind of put your foot behind the other leg.

00:04:09.000 Is it because they're too wide?

00:04:11.000 Is that why you don't want to ride one leg on the other side?

00:04:14.000 Or is it just a ball buster?

00:04:16.000 I'll tell you it's a ball buster, particularly if that Shaddad shifts and it starts to lean forward.

00:04:20.000 And then suddenly, there's these large dowels in the front and large dowel in the back.

00:04:25.000 They kind of basically look like big wooden dildos on this Shaddad. 0.74

00:04:28.000 And so if that Shaddad shifts forward, as it did on occasion, your package is just jammed against that thing.

00:04:35.000 And you have to cover these guys.

00:04:38.000 Look, I got injured.

00:04:39.000 I had some soft muscle injury, and there's the crew walking through.

00:04:44.000 And I tore some muscles in my ribcage.

00:04:46.000 Just riding?

00:04:48.000 No, it was a rather inelegant dismount from the camel.

00:04:53.000 And so I twisted really badly and then went the other way.

00:04:57.000 And the next thing you know, I had fucked up some muscles along my obliques and then ribcage area.

00:05:04.000 And so I spent the next couple of days.

00:05:06.000 We had a team medic, Jed, a wonderful guy.

00:05:09.000 Great sense of humor, as did they all.

00:05:11.000 And he eventually got tired of me, like, asking him for painkillers and anti-inflammatories.

00:05:18.000 And so eventually I had to tap out, which was more painful probably than the actual injuries.

00:05:24.000 And the guys just continued to grind it out.

00:05:27.000 How far was left?

00:05:28.000 I was in the first 25% of the journey.

00:05:32.000 And then I went back for the end, for the arrival into Aqaba.

00:05:36.000 There's the whole crew right there.

00:05:38.000 I just can't say enough about these people.

00:05:42.000 Again, 25, 26 days.

00:05:44.000 Longer than that, actually a month.

00:05:45.000 Out in really bad conditions.

00:05:47.000 People think, well, it's the deserts, right?

00:05:49.000 Well, it's called the Unpassable Deserts for a reason.

00:05:52.000 Massive sandstorms, freezing temperatures at night, bitter cold.

00:05:55.000 And we were sleeping in one-man tents.

00:05:58.000 And then you'd get up, you'd...

00:06:01.000 You'd get the camels ready.

00:06:02.000 How much supplies did you bring?

00:06:05.000 Did you have a supply camel?

00:06:08.000 Land Rover did a wonderful job of helping to sponsor this.

00:06:11.000 So they provided vehicles that the support team used to kind of trail and then get ahead and help to establish the next.

00:06:22.000 Howard and Craig had done the recce, so we had the camps.

00:06:27.000 Mapped out, because this is a long trek, 1,100 kilometers.

00:06:31.000 And so they were able to supply and do all the work that kept these guys moving forward.

00:06:40.000 Imagine doing that without them.

00:06:41.000 Oh, it wouldn't have been impossible, but they'd still be out there schlepping.

00:06:47.000 Jesus, you'd have to bring several camels just to carry your food and water.

00:06:51.000 Yeah, no, it's exactly right.

00:06:53.000 There's no water out there.

00:06:55.000 No, no.

00:06:56.000 Do you find spring occasionally?

00:06:58.000 Yeah, you pass through a handful of areas near small.

00:07:02.000 I mean, when I'm saying small, I mean like there's nothing there, a little tiny village.

00:07:05.000 Maybe there's a mosque, and the mosque would have a water supply, so you could stop and maybe refill, let the camels drink.

00:07:12.000 Are they getting water from the ground, or are they getting water from, are they bringing it in?

00:07:17.000 They're getting from a well, yeah, from a well.

00:07:18.000 Oh, okay.

00:07:19.000 So they have, I mean, because, you know, talking thousands of years, they've figured out where the wells are.

00:07:24.000 You know, from 1917, look, the Turks never expected these guys to come from this direction, because who's going to do that? 1.00

00:07:30.000 Right.

00:07:30.000 And they did it.

00:07:32.000 These guys all did it.

00:07:33.000 I was just honored to be a part of it, even though I had to tap out, which was, god damn, that was frustrating.

00:07:38.000 Jamie, can you show me what that looks like on a map?

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00:08:46.000 Check it out.

00:08:47.000 Like what that area looks like?

00:08:49.000 Yeah, I should have included a map of the route itself.

00:08:53.000 Tell me where to look.

00:08:55.000 Look for Al-Waj, Saudi, on the coast, sort of northwest Saudi.

00:09:08.000 Look at Jamie spelling it correctly and everything.

00:09:11.000 This guy's crazy.

00:09:12.000 Pretty close.

00:09:12.000 Look at that.

00:09:13.000 No, he's right there, right there at the top.

00:09:16.000 So we started in Alwaj.

00:09:20.000 And then, yeah, there you go.

00:09:21.000 There you go.

00:09:22.000 Now click out.

00:09:23.000 And then you start heading northeast.

00:09:26.000 You can see Jordan is up there above that area.

00:09:29.000 You start heading sort of on a diagonal northeast.

00:09:34.000 You pass through all...

00:09:35.000 Just look at it.

00:09:36.000 It's like, what the hell?

00:09:38.000 And you keep going, you keep going.

00:09:40.000 Eventually, you get...

00:09:41.000 If you zoom out a little bit so you'll see the border with Jordan.

00:09:47.000 Okay, you go up, pass, keep going in that direction.

00:09:50.000 That whole place looks inhospitable.

00:09:52.000 There's not a lot there.

00:09:53.000 And then you come up to where Jordan is.

00:09:54.000 But anyway, at the end of the day, you see Aqaba.

00:09:57.000 We came down through Jordan and into Aqaba, which is at the tip there, right there.

00:10:01.000 Yeah.

00:10:02.000 Which is where the fort was, which is where they routed the Turks. 0.78

00:10:04.000 And then eventually that created all sorts of opportunities for the Arab states.

00:10:08.000 Look at this whole area.

00:10:10.000 There's fucking no green.

00:10:12.000 No, there's not.

00:10:13.000 There's just tiny parcels of semi-green areas.

00:10:16.000 Yeah.

00:10:16.000 When I say it's desolate and there's nothing, there's nothing.

00:10:22.000 Jimmy, zoom back out again?

00:10:23.000 Look how wild that looks.

00:10:26.000 Like, what happened?

00:10:27.000 So these...

00:10:31.000 Doesn't that all look washed out, Jamie?

00:10:32.000 This is all Randall Carlson stuff, right?

00:10:34.000 Yeah, and we went through the Royal Reserve.

00:10:37.000 The Saudis were very good, and the Jordanians were amazing as well.

00:10:41.000 Jamie, what were you saying?

00:10:42.000 In supporting this.

00:10:43.000 Looks like a basin.

00:10:43.000 Looks like it all washed down.

00:10:44.000 Yeah, it totally looks like it washed.

00:10:47.000 Yeah, you'll find all these wadis that are in there that, you know, essentially there's a lot of dried up riverbeds.

00:10:54.000 And, you know, the danger is, of course, there are flash floods on occasion.

00:10:57.000 Not very often.

00:11:00.000 So this thing took place, and they eventually, the whole thing ended in Aqaba.

00:11:07.000 Again, the Jordanians couldn't have been greater about supporting this.

00:11:11.000 I think everybody, I know the Bedouins, when we got started, they were staring at us like, what the hell are you doing?

00:11:16.000 They couldn't imagine that people would do this willingly.

00:11:19.000 Right.

00:11:20.000 From their perspective, no reason.

00:11:22.000 Especially soft Americans and Europeans.

00:11:24.000 Man, I tell you what, I know when I got injured, I know every single one of those damn son of a bitches were laughing. 1.00

00:11:31.000 They were like, what the hell?

00:11:33.000 And they were looking at our Shadads with all these blankets and furs on them, trying to make it somewhat comfortable.

00:11:40.000 Those guys must have leather balls. 0.55

00:11:42.000 Yeah, I think, or they just had them removed.

00:11:44.000 I don't know how you do it because, and then you have to trot, right?

00:11:47.000 You can't just walk.

00:11:48.000 Walking was comfortable enough, but you have to cover the distance, right?

00:11:53.000 And the trot on a camel is not comfortable, right?

00:11:58.000 And so it was, anyway, I just can't say enough good things about these people, but the cause, the UK Special Forces Club Benevolent Fund, if people want to go and read more about this, they can go to...

00:12:10.000 What is it?

00:12:10.000 W-W-W-S-F-C-B-F? That's how old you are.

00:12:14.000 You keep using the W's.

00:12:15.000 Everybody else gave up on it.

00:12:16.000 I guess I don't have to.

00:12:17.000 So that's three W's, and then...

00:12:20.000 I used to say that.

00:12:22.000 People used to say HTTP, colon, backflash.

00:12:25.000 I still do, because I think that's what you have to do.

00:12:29.000 So it's sfcbf.org.

00:12:32.000 You can go there.

00:12:33.000 You check it out.

00:12:34.000 And if you're so inclined, there's even a button you can click on to donate, even if it's the price of a cup of coffee.

00:12:39.000 If you get enough people putting in the price of a cup of coffee, it makes a huge difference for these people.

00:12:45.000 But it was one of those bucket list items that I just can't describe enough.

00:12:51.000 When you see some of the things that USAID fund, does it get you upset that they don't fund things like this?

00:12:56.000 Yeah.

00:12:56.000 Yeah, it really does.

00:12:58.000 It does me, too.

00:12:59.000 It's just, come on.

00:13:00.000 Because this is a direct, right?

00:13:02.000 As is Wounded Warriors, as are all the other groups.

00:13:05.000 It's a direct way to help people.

00:13:08.000 And it's not like they've got massive administrative costs, right?

00:13:12.000 Like the government tends to.

00:13:14.000 And so, no, absolutely goddamn right.

00:13:16.000 It seems to me, and so we were fortunate to have a lot of corporations that went in on it.

00:13:23.000 You know, there were some that looked at it and goes, okay, so let me see.

00:13:25.000 You're talking about five white guys on camels, you know, recreating what we think is a club. 0.84

00:13:29.000 It was still sort of the vestiges of that bullshit DEI thing, right, from a corporate perspective.

00:13:34.000 Right.

00:13:34.000 So we're like, no, goddammit, it's sporting, you know, veterans and their families.

00:13:38.000 How tough is that to understand?

00:13:41.000 You're just taking a difficult trek.

00:13:42.000 It doesn't mean you support colonialism.

00:13:44.000 Yeah, no, exactly.

00:13:46.000 And by the way, the Arab sheikhs led the way. 0.99

00:13:48.000 It was their effort.

00:13:50.000 Isn't it crazy that you have to look at things through this lens of who in the furthest left, kookiest perspective is going to be offended by this because it's a bunch of white people in the desert. 0.90

00:14:00.000 If anything, it should give you a perspective on how unbelievably brutal the times were back then.

00:14:05.000 No, absolutely.

00:14:06.000 And you also think that...

00:14:09.000 Honestly, it's just, look at the cause.

00:14:13.000 Look at the reason for it.

00:14:14.000 But I do think, I think we are on the downhill slope of DEI. I think the grifters who built up that cottage industry are going to have to be looking for new jobs.

00:14:28.000 Because I think most companies are starting to think, you know what, let's get off of this thing.

00:14:32.000 Yes, I think so too.

00:14:34.000 And I also think that if you look at the overall body of work that they've produced, it's very obvious what many of them are doing.

00:14:44.000 I think there's some genuinely good people that are involved in this that really want to do good work.

00:14:49.000 They're very sensitive, kind souls.

00:14:51.000 They probably grow up rich.

00:14:52.000 Probably grew up rich.

00:14:54.000 But I think there's a lot of grifters, too, unfortunately.

00:14:58.000 And the grifters, they've been so egregious and obvious that I think it's turned a lot of people up.

00:15:05.000 Even rational, kind, compassionate, progressive people are like, enough.

00:15:10.000 This is fucking stupid.

00:15:11.000 Especially when you hear the anti...

00:15:15.000 It's not just like pro whatever you are.

00:15:19.000 It's anti whatever you're not.

00:15:21.000 And then you realize, okay, this is not rational.

00:15:25.000 This is cult-like thinking and this is...

00:15:28.000 A thing where if you don't agree, the punishment is very grave.

00:15:35.000 They'll go after you so hard if you don't agree with them.

00:15:37.000 Then you kind of realize what it is.

00:15:39.000 And then eventually they start to eat their own.

00:15:41.000 Yes.

00:15:41.000 You can never be progressive enough.

00:15:43.000 No, no, no.

00:15:44.000 The mob's always going to turn on no matter who you are and how righteous you pretended to be.

00:15:50.000 And I agree with it.

00:15:51.000 Yeah, good people with good intentions mixed in.

00:15:55.000 But I think a lot of people saw this as a terrific opportunity, right?

00:15:58.000 And I also think that what it taught me was that, yes, I am racist.

00:16:02.000 I hate elite progressive white people.

00:16:08.000 I just can't stand them.

00:16:10.000 It's the one group that I would say that I just can't stand because there's something about them.

00:16:15.000 I feel sorry for them.

00:16:17.000 I feel like at this point in our culture, the divisions are so fucking crazy, and it's so counter to what America should be standing for, which is a United States, united country, a community, a large group of people that all agree on a few very key rules, one of them being freedom.

00:16:42.000 Seems logical.

00:16:43.000 We've got to stop.

00:16:45.000 This division is set up not by us.

00:16:47.000 It's set up by world leaders.

00:16:49.000 It's set up by the media.

00:16:51.000 It's set up by the people who benefit from keeping us divided.

00:16:54.000 Most of us agree on a lot.

00:16:56.000 One of the things you're seeing is from all these USA disclosures.

00:17:01.000 The mainstream media cannot ever say that anything this administration is doing is positive.

00:17:08.000 So even if they find unbelievable corruption, and they've found some really wild shit, what was the $4.7 trillion in untraceable money?

00:17:20.000 I sent that to you, right?

00:17:22.000 Yeah, you did.

00:17:23.000 Doge was digging through the...

00:17:30.000 You know, essentially the way that money is audited within the government.

00:17:33.000 And they look at the data sets and how things are divided and how you have to explain what's going on.

00:17:41.000 And the idea is that there's a lack of links to payments, outgoing payments, budget line items.

00:17:51.000 So this payment goes out, what is it for?

00:17:55.000 I mean, it would be the same thing if you had a...

00:17:57.000 Well, I do.

00:17:57.000 I have a business.

00:17:58.000 And in that business, you have to know what you're spending your money on, right?

00:18:01.000 I mean, that's a logical thing.

00:18:03.000 I'm not a rocket scientist.

00:18:05.000 But what they're saying is that they've...

00:18:08.000 Well, there you go.

00:18:09.000 Yeah, here it is.

00:18:10.000 So it's a treasury access symbol.

00:18:12.000 TAS is an identification code linking treasury payment to a budget line item, standard financial process.

00:18:18.000 In the federal government, the TAS field was optional.

00:18:22.000 For $4.7 trillion in payments and was often left blank, making traceability almost impossible.

00:18:28.000 As of Saturday, this is now a required field, increasing insight into where money is actually going.

00:18:36.000 Thanks to U.S. Treasury for the great work.

00:18:38.000 It would be like if I got my monthly reports, my monthly numbers from our finance director.

00:18:44.000 And I looked at it, and there's the outgoing line, so I can see how much money's going out.

00:18:48.000 But there's nothing that links it to, where did it go?

00:18:51.000 Did it go to pay a vendor?

00:18:52.000 Did it go to pay rent?

00:18:53.000 Did it go to pay staff?

00:18:54.000 Who bought a jet?

00:18:55.000 Who bought a jet?

00:18:56.000 By the way, when a company buys a jet, that's a key fraud indicator.

00:19:02.000 If a company buys a jet, all companies?

00:19:04.000 Not all companies.

00:19:05.000 The UFC bought a jet.

00:19:05.000 Not all companies.

00:19:07.000 Let me just make a note of that.

00:19:09.000 UFC, jet.

00:19:12.000 What I mean is, obviously, it's not like if it's Nike or an established large business.

00:19:16.000 But you're making so much money, you can buy a jet.

00:19:19.000 Right.

00:19:19.000 If you've got a business in a space and it's a growing business or it's a new business or a startup, whatever.

00:19:26.000 A purchase of a jet usually is a fraud indicator on the list of all the fraud indicators.

00:19:30.000 It means you cashed in your meme coin.

00:19:32.000 Yeah.

00:19:34.000 I'm not cashing mine.

00:19:35.000 Have you thought about a Mike Baker meme coin yet?

00:19:37.000 You know what?

00:19:38.000 It's funny that you say that.

00:19:39.000 It seems like it's legal gambling is what it is.

00:19:42.000 And it seems like even though it's horrible to do.

00:19:45.000 And very unethical to dump it, to pump and dump it.

00:19:49.000 It seems like that's legal for some weird reason.

00:19:52.000 Yeah.

00:19:53.000 You know, because I know that's the turmoil around the Hoctua coin, and that's the fear about the Trump coin.

00:20:00.000 And I think, didn't the president of Argentina do a pump and dump as well, allegedly?

00:20:05.000 Well, allegedly, yeah.

00:20:06.000 What did he do, Jamie?

00:20:07.000 That is getting way messy this week.

00:20:09.000 I wasn't even going to speculate.

00:20:10.000 Tell me.

00:20:10.000 There's all sorts of shit going on with that.

00:20:11.000 What do you think is happening?

00:20:12.000 Coffeezilla.

00:20:13.000 We had a video come out late last night.

00:20:16.000 He's the guy you do not want investigating your shit coin. 0.74

00:20:19.000 Some guy's admitting to stuff that didn't sound...

00:20:22.000 They're admitting it?

00:20:23.000 Yeah, that's where I was like, I didn't even watch the videos yet.

00:20:25.000 I'm just seeing the stuff on Twitter.

00:20:26.000 We were trying to figure out is there a way to do it where you don't pump and dump it?

00:20:29.000 Because anybody can kind of make money now, which is so strange.

00:20:32.000 And we're like, we make a JRE coin.

00:20:34.000 What if we didn't dump it?

00:20:36.000 What if we didn't pump and dump it?

00:20:37.000 What would it be for?

00:20:39.000 How can you just do that?

00:20:41.000 The regulations have not caught up yet, right?

00:20:45.000 No!

00:20:46.000 Any new emerging business, industry, technology, I think there are people who look and go, there's an opportunity here because regulatory policy hasn't caught up.

00:20:59.000 Right.

00:21:01.000 Dave Portnoy's been paying attention to all this, and he's been buying coins and tweeting about them and then selling them, and he's been making a lot of money.

00:21:08.000 And he's like, am I going to jail?

00:21:10.000 Like, what is this?

00:21:11.000 Because, you know, you're making real money.

00:21:13.000 Didn't he make like a million dollars off of one of them?

00:21:15.000 I don't know.

00:21:16.000 He's involved in this, too, now.

00:21:18.000 It reminds me of...

00:21:19.000 He's involved in what?

00:21:19.000 Which one?

00:21:20.000 The Argentina thing?

00:21:22.000 That's what I don't know.

00:21:23.000 Well, fill me in, dog.

00:21:24.000 I'm trying to find out.

00:21:26.000 It's called LibraCoin, I think.

00:21:27.000 I don't know if that's the same as the Argentina coin.

00:21:29.000 Liberation!

00:21:31.000 I think that's what it is.

00:21:32.000 We're going through whether or not he knew stuff before, or who told him, and what did he know.

00:21:36.000 The Portnoy?

00:21:37.000 And when did he know it.

00:21:39.000 He's pretty careful.

00:21:40.000 He's pretty careful.

00:21:41.000 I doubt he did anything illegal.

00:21:43.000 I wouldn't assume so.

00:21:44.000 Also, he's so wealthy, he doesn't have to do anything illegal.

00:21:47.000 I was going to say.

00:21:47.000 But then again, people get fucking crazy greedy.

00:21:51.000 Yeah, they do.

00:21:52.000 How much is enough?

00:21:53.000 Well, they hang out with other billionaires.

00:21:55.000 That's the problem.

00:21:55.000 Yeah, and you're always comparing yourself to the guy who's got $3 billion.

00:21:58.000 You got $1 billion, and you're not...

00:21:59.000 How the fuck can you have that much money and not be happy?

00:22:01.000 That's the part I don't understand.

00:22:02.000 Well, that's what gets weird, but I get it.

00:22:04.000 Like, if I hang out with Elon Musk, I feel poor.

00:22:08.000 So does everybody else on the planet.

00:22:10.000 Yeah.

00:22:11.000 He's still the richest guy, right?

00:22:12.000 When you meet really, really rich people, you feel poor, even if you're really wealthy.

00:22:15.000 Well, that's the funny thing with him.

00:22:17.000 I always think, like, right now, the past couple of weeks in particular, it seems like people are just losing their shit and dropping onto the fainting couch over the idea that he's accessing your private information, right?

00:22:29.000 What's he going to do?

00:22:30.000 He's accessing your private information.

00:22:31.000 And you think, okay, well, first of all, I don't think the guy is looking to scam you out at 500 bucks.

00:22:37.000 The argument's good.

00:22:38.000 He shouldn't be able to scan your information.

00:22:41.000 But also, is there any evidence that he's doing that?

00:22:43.000 And here's the other question.

00:22:45.000 Who else has access to this?

00:22:47.000 Just about every company.

00:22:48.000 Turns out a lot of people have access to this.

00:22:51.000 Even students that are interns who work in the department have access to this.

00:22:56.000 I think what they're doing is they're making an argument, and it's a good one.

00:23:00.000 Look, if he was evil, if you do have this evil billionaire who wants to control the world, Didn't that used to be Jeff Bezos?

00:23:12.000 I thought he was the guy.

00:23:14.000 Who they were focused on.

00:23:15.000 Well, they were for a while, but he's just ballin'.

00:23:19.000 Jeff is just hanging out on his yacht, bagging his super hot wife.

00:23:23.000 He's having a good time.

00:23:24.000 That sounds a lot better than chasing government waste and fraud.

00:23:28.000 I remember when Elon Musk was criticizing him for not working hard enough.

00:23:32.000 I'm like, wait a minute.

00:23:33.000 What is work for?

00:23:35.000 That guy's got $200 billion.

00:23:38.000 I think you can chill.

00:23:40.000 When you get $200 billion, then it's time to get that fucking crazy yacht.

00:23:43.000 Yeah, once you start launching your own rocket ships.

00:23:45.000 Yeah, you got a rocket ship like a dick.

00:23:47.000 You're literally trying to fuck space.

00:23:49.000 That's Austin Powers.

00:23:50.000 Yeah, have a good time.

00:23:51.000 I like the way Jeff Bezos is doing it.

00:23:54.000 Yeah.

00:23:54.000 I mean, but I appreciate the fact that Elon is so psychotic in his drive.

00:23:58.000 It's bizarre, but also in the face of overwhelming hate.

00:24:03.000 Oh my god.

00:24:04.000 It is...

00:24:05.000 I mean, part of me finds it very entertaining.

00:24:07.000 Part of me just looks at it and goes, I think what they're having a problem with is two things, is the messaging and the means of doing this, right?

00:24:17.000 Everybody, you would think, would agree that, oh, you're going to go through government spending with a fine-tooth comb?

00:24:22.000 You're going to find the waste and abuse and fraud?

00:24:26.000 Fantastic.

00:24:26.000 Well, this is one of the things that Clinton ran on and implemented during his first term.

00:24:32.000 Actually implemented.

00:24:32.000 Very effectively, by the way.

00:24:35.000 And it was a huge boon to our economy.

00:24:37.000 But again, the messaging was different.

00:24:39.000 And the means were different.

00:24:41.000 The Democrats were different.

00:24:42.000 That was a different kind of a Democrat.

00:24:44.000 That was the kind of Democrat I would vote for right now.

00:24:46.000 I'd vote for Bill Clinton, despite all the blowjobs and all the crazy shit.

00:24:50.000 Well, but you weren't involved in that.

00:24:52.000 I think that they all did that.

00:24:55.000 I think you get two types of people who want to be president.

00:24:59.000 Pussyhounds and warmongers. 1.00

00:25:00.000 I prefer pussyhounds. 0.99

00:25:02.000 Well, but you could be both.

00:25:03.000 Yes.

00:25:04.000 You could be Genghis Khan. 0.74

00:25:05.000 Yeah.

00:25:06.000 Use both.

00:25:08.000 Good use to the pronunciation, Genghis.

00:25:10.000 Well, I'm actually listening to an amazing podcast I'd love to recommend to everybody because Elon recommended it on X and I've been listening to it.

00:25:18.000 It's fucking great.

00:25:20.000 Fall of Civilizations podcast, they're doing a series on the Mongols right now, Terror in the Steppes, and I am listening to it right now, so that's why I'm saying Genghis correctly. 1.00

00:25:31.000 Okay, no, that's great.

00:25:33.000 Yeah, they even explain the pronunciation.

00:25:35.000 They explain where it came from and how...

00:25:37.000 How it got fucked up over the years of translation into languages that didn't have that sound.

00:25:44.000 And so Cenghis Khan became Genghis Khan.

00:25:48.000 Especially when European languages started translating it.

00:25:52.000 Everything I know about Khan, I learned from Mulan.

00:25:56.000 Do you know they didn't even fucking know about this whole story until the 1800s?

00:26:00.000 They found a Chinese book, and the Chinese book was written.

00:26:04.000 They thought it was nonsense.

00:26:05.000 They couldn't figure out what it was saying because it was written where the Chinese characters made the Mongol sounds of the words.

00:26:11.000 And so they had to translate it from Chinese to the Mongolian language, and then they realized this was the history of...

00:26:20.000 Genghis Khan and the Khan Empire.

00:26:23.000 Okay, yeah.

00:26:24.000 It's fucking...

00:26:25.000 The Secret History of the Mongols. 0.62

00:26:27.000 It's fucking amazing.

00:26:28.000 This podcast is fantastic.

00:26:31.000 Yeah, that does sound great.

00:26:33.000 Because, again, I think when you consider how we're all apparently carrying some of his DNA around...

00:26:38.000 Not us.

00:26:39.000 Not Europeans. 1.00

00:26:40.000 Mostly Asians, right? 0.99

00:26:41.000 Oh, damn it.

00:26:41.000 Okay.

00:26:42.000 Well, I have a little Asian.

00:26:43.000 I mean, I have like 1% Asian.

00:26:44.000 Really?

00:26:45.000 Yeah.

00:26:46.000 Yeah, 1% Asian. 0.87

00:26:47.000 Close to 2%, African. 0.99

00:26:49.000 But I'm from Sicily, my ancestors, and so I think those are the ones that got raped by the Moors. 1.00

00:26:58.000 That's in the movie True Romance.

00:27:00.000 Remember?

00:27:00.000 Oh, yeah.

00:27:01.000 Remember that scene?

00:27:02.000 Yeah.

00:27:02.000 Christopher Walken.

00:27:04.000 Christian Slater?

00:27:05.000 No, not Christian Slater.

00:27:06.000 Christopher Walken.

00:27:07.000 Who was it with him?

00:27:09.000 True Romance.

00:27:10.000 There was a whole series of people.

00:27:12.000 Bruce Dern.

00:27:13.000 Right.

00:27:14.000 Who's laying there?

00:27:14.000 No, Dennis Hopper.

00:27:15.000 Dennis Hopper.

00:27:16.000 Dennis Hopper.

00:27:17.000 That's right Christopher Walken and Dennis Hopper, right?

00:27:19.000 Is that who it was?

00:27:20.000 Yeah, that's who it was.

00:27:22.000 I remember they had a scene together that I remember.

00:27:25.000 Fuck that movie's good.

00:27:25.000 Yeah.

00:27:26.000 Fuck that movie's good.

00:27:27.000 That is a great fucking movie.

00:27:29.000 But yeah, I think if they had come in, if the administration had come in and said, here's what we're going to do.

00:27:37.000 We are going to root out waste and fraud.

00:27:40.000 We're going to go after, you know, every dollar that's not spent on behalf of the American public and our national security and advancing American interests.

00:27:48.000 And we're going to do it in this efficient, you know, manner.

00:27:52.000 But, you know, and again, don't get me wrong.

00:27:55.000 I think sometimes, you know, the disruption of fast action is extremely beneficial at times.

00:28:00.000 And sometimes you can't see the benefit until other things happen outside the bubble that we may be looking in.

00:28:08.000 If they had messaged it a little bit differently, and then with the means, rather than taking a blowtorch to everything, because, and again, not saying that it can't be effective, but what I'm saying is that they're losing, I think, important opportunity from a goodwill perspective, and I know they probably don't give a fuck anymore, but all those people who voted, right, for them this time around, gave them that chance that didn't the previous time.

00:28:33.000 They said, oh, fuck it, I'm so toned with the Biden administration and all this bullshit.

00:28:38.000 They need to see, I think, more stability, less chaos.

00:28:42.000 And I think the Democrats are very good.

00:28:44.000 I think we all thought, perhaps, that the progressives, the Democrats, were just going to go into a cave and hide.

00:28:49.000 But they're regrouping, right?

00:28:50.000 And they're starting to come back.

00:28:52.000 They're all getting on testosterone.

00:28:54.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:28:56.000 Suddenly the toxic male is very attractive.

00:29:00.000 You know, shame they don't have any.

00:29:01.000 But I think that if they...

00:29:06.000 If you give them ammunition, obviously they're going to take advantage of it.

00:29:09.000 And I think some of the approach to this, again, not saying it's wrong in the sense of let's find that waste and fraud, but they're giving them opportunities to start firing back.

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00:30:41.000 Well, I think the problem is they're trying to do it very quickly because they want to get a lot done before the midterms, right?

00:30:47.000 So they only have 24 months to enact real change.

00:30:50.000 And, you know, did you see Kevin O'Leary talking about on CNN? He was saying they're not doing enough.

00:30:56.000 They should cut more.

00:30:57.000 He's talking about it from an entrepreneur's perspective.

00:31:00.000 If you're taking over a failing company that's filled with bloat and waste, and he's like, that is the government.

00:31:04.000 He goes, you've got to cut more.

00:31:06.000 He goes, cut everything.

00:31:07.000 Cut it all out, and then find out what's necessary and rebuild it from there.

00:31:11.000 Well, I would argue...

00:31:12.000 Because you're saying on CNN, and CNN, they're like, oh!

00:31:17.000 Oh! 0.60

00:31:18.000 Yeah, I know.

00:31:19.000 Pennies are in a wad.

00:31:20.000 Oh, my God.

00:31:21.000 Well, the five people that watch CNN still were probably...

00:31:23.000 There's probably 20. But the thing about it is they're all united in their message, whether it's MSNBC. I watched MSNBC the other day in the gym.

00:31:31.000 Oh, my God.

00:31:31.000 It was awesome motivation to work out because these people look morbidly obese.

00:31:36.000 And they had this language that they were speaking.

00:31:39.000 It was like almost...

00:31:40.000 It's almost like they were translating from another language.

00:31:43.000 It didn't make sense.

00:31:45.000 It's like, you know, we're in danger.

00:31:49.000 It was the way they were talking.

00:31:52.000 It's like, my people feel...

00:31:55.000 My people feel like they're in danger, like they're being criminalized.

00:31:59.000 We're being pushed out of society.

00:32:03.000 We're being told we don't exist.

00:32:05.000 And then, of course, you have to say you're an ally of the LBGTQ+. You have to be an ally.

00:32:11.000 They're digging their heels in on all that stuff, though.

00:32:14.000 That's not going to win anymore.

00:32:16.000 That's too crazy.

00:32:17.000 Even kind, progressive people realize...

00:32:20.000 You know, you've done a weird thing with women's sports. 1.00

00:32:24.000 You've done a weird thing with the safety of women in bathrooms. 0.99

00:32:28.000 And it's not to say that some of these people who are legitimate trans people who really do just want to use the women's room and be treated like a woman.

00:32:35.000 That's true, too.

00:32:36.000 But you open the door for perverts, and you're not admitting that.

00:32:39.000 You're just allowing guys with beards and hard dicks to wander around the women's room. 1.00

00:32:43.000 And how tough is it to just have a, whatever, a unisex bathroom?

00:32:48.000 Most places, a lot of places.

00:32:50.000 As long as it's not a big bathroom.

00:32:52.000 The problem is a group, if it's all single bathrooms, but that's not economically feasible at like a stadium.

00:32:58.000 Right.

00:32:58.000 You know, and that's where it becomes a problem.

00:33:00.000 And then it's also this like weird cultural line where, like, which bathroom do you get to use?

00:33:06.000 It's like, this is like a thing in Congress, right?

00:33:08.000 Because there's that one trans person in Congress who, by the way, said that they do not want to use the women's room.

00:33:14.000 So it's not even an issue.

00:33:15.000 Yeah.

00:33:16.000 Notice how I said they?

00:33:19.000 That's very good, right?

00:33:20.000 Dance the line. 0.56

00:33:21.000 You're very sensitive.

00:33:22.000 People always say that.

00:33:23.000 Goddamn Rogan is so sensitive.

00:33:25.000 But I think if...

00:33:27.000 Most...

00:33:28.000 Folks, right, who are in alternative, you know, lifestyles, however you want to put it.

00:33:34.000 I think, yeah, they just want to get on with it, right?

00:33:36.000 They want to be accepted.

00:33:38.000 They don't want to make, you know, people make a fuss over, they just want to move on.

00:33:41.000 And then you've got a small minority that just can't seem to get enough attention.

00:33:44.000 And when they can't get enough attention, then they do something, you know, even more wacky.

00:33:48.000 I think it's a problem with a lot of the people that are quote-unquote leftists in general, is that they've been bullied and picked on all their life.

00:33:58.000 And they've been fucked with, and now they have a gang.

00:34:00.000 And now they're gonna go fuck with other people.

00:34:03.000 Yeah, it's not much of a gang though, is it really?

00:34:04.000 But it's online, the words...

00:34:06.000 That's true.

00:34:07.000 The words they use online, it's like very attacking.

00:34:11.000 Yeah.

00:34:11.000 You know, it's like, this is like a core aspect of progressives right now online, is that when they're tweeting about stuff, when they're posting about stuff, it's very aggressive and very angry and insulting.

00:34:25.000 Yeah.

00:34:26.000 And that this is...

00:34:27.000 I think they're angry because...

00:34:52.000 For a while, the mob rule was working, and everybody was being silenced from the bullying or the fear of being bullied.

00:35:02.000 And it lasted for so long.

00:35:03.000 It lasted for years, if you think about it.

00:35:06.000 It lasted until Elon bought Twitter, really.

00:35:08.000 Realistically.

00:35:09.000 Yeah, I think that's fair.

00:35:10.000 If he hadn't done that and they were all controlled by the left, do you think Facebook would have loosened up their grip?

00:35:16.000 No.

00:35:16.000 I don't think so.

00:35:17.000 Well, look, Meta, Alphabet, they're all kind of rewriting, toning down their DEI policies, right?

00:35:23.000 I think that's also because Zuckerberg started doing jiu-jitsu.

00:35:27.000 I really do.

00:35:28.000 They started taking testosterone for a change.

00:35:29.000 Yeah, shout out to John Machado.

00:35:31.000 Jiu-jitsu changed your mind, man.

00:35:34.000 It'll change who you are.

00:35:35.000 You'll realize there's reality in this world.

00:35:37.000 He's looking a lot more manly.

00:35:39.000 He does.

00:35:39.000 He's a lot more manly.

00:35:40.000 He's got a thick neck now.

00:35:42.000 I think that has a lot to do with it, because you start looking at things from a more libertarian perspective, from a merit-based perspective.

00:35:49.000 Also, you're burning fuel.

00:35:51.000 You're feeling better.

00:35:52.000 You're focused on something other than your own inner angst, or how do you fit in with this?

00:35:59.000 Again, look, everybody just should be able to live their life.

00:36:03.000 Absolutely.

00:36:04.000 That's what we all need to concentrate on.

00:36:07.000 As long as you're not hurting anybody else with the way you live your life.

00:36:09.000 Exactly.

00:36:10.000 Live your life.

00:36:10.000 If you want to wear a dress, God bless you.

00:36:12.000 Yeah.

00:36:13.000 God bless everybody.

00:36:15.000 Just be nice.

00:36:15.000 And I think most of the people, the reason why they're not nice is because people have been not nice to them.

00:36:20.000 That's that old expression, hurt people hurt people.

00:36:22.000 Yeah.

00:36:23.000 And the way to fucking... 1.00

00:36:24.000 Unite us is not to keep hurting people.

00:36:26.000 It just doesn't make any sense to me.

00:36:28.000 No, and it's simple enough.

00:36:29.000 Honestly, I don't care.

00:36:31.000 Someone's got an alternative lifestyle.

00:36:32.000 Now, I don't need to play along with the imaginary idea that a dude's going to have a baby or can breastfeed or whatever.

00:36:40.000 There's this one TikTok person who trolls.

00:36:44.000 And I don't even know if it's a biological woman because that's one thing that the trans people are very upset with. 0.98

00:36:48.000 There's a lot of really hot OnlyFans girls that are pretending to be trans and they put a fake Dick in their underwear? 1.00

00:36:55.000 No.

00:36:55.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:36:56.000 And they're, like, super hot.

00:36:58.000 And so the actual trans people are very upset.

00:37:01.000 And get ready for this.

00:37:02.000 Their argument is, my identity is not a costume for you to wear.

00:37:06.000 Like, wait a minute!

00:37:08.000 Hold on a second.

00:37:09.000 Hang on! 0.81

00:37:12.000 That's a real woman, bro.

00:37:14.000 You're already doing that with her.

00:37:17.000 She's just got a rubber dick in her pants for money. 1.00

00:37:20.000 There really is no...

00:37:21.000 I keep waiting for Jamie to throw one up on the screen.

00:37:23.000 I'm like, oh my god.

00:37:25.000 There's no self-awareness or sense of irony.

00:37:29.000 So this one lady who's like... 1.00

00:37:31.000 I think it's a lady. 0.92

00:37:32.000 I think she's a lady who's a troll. 1.00

00:37:34.000 And she said that she went to some country and got a chromosome change and a uterus installed and now she's pregnant. 0.98

00:37:43.000 And she's like...

00:37:45.000 I'm just reading the comments and people are fucking going crazy.

00:37:49.000 There's a bunch of like sub-90 people, IQ people in the comments just fucking...

00:37:55.000 Having strokes.

00:37:57.000 That is the best part.

00:37:58.000 When somebody throws some shit out there and people buy into it, right?

00:38:01.000 Yeah, I love it.

00:38:02.000 Well, I buy into some of the dumb ones sometimes.

00:38:04.000 I have to send them to Jamie.

00:38:07.000 Me and Jamie have to sort out what the fuck is real now.

00:38:11.000 It's so hard to tell.

00:38:12.000 I see things from myself that aren't real.

00:38:15.000 I saw me doing, or I didn't see me, I heard my voice over some narration of something, of some TikTok story.

00:38:23.000 And I was like, I never saw this.

00:38:25.000 This is not me saying this.

00:38:27.000 It's all done through AI. I'm like, this is crazy.

00:38:30.000 You're a prime case study for the impact and effects of, and sort of the downside of AI. Oh, for sure with my voice.

00:38:40.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:38:41.000 You know, I guess now with video as well, you know, if you wanted to have a podcast video of me doing something.

00:38:46.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:38:47.000 Yeah, it's pretty wild now that, I mean, we have a little bit of a problem where a bunch of people are selling like cheap things online and using my voice and we have to get them removed.

00:38:56.000 Okay, yeah.

00:38:57.000 But that's just, you know, that's just opportunists are taking advantage, you know, I'm selling protein powders that I've never seen before, all that kind of shit.

00:39:04.000 Right.

00:39:04.000 They're doing that with my voice.

00:39:06.000 I mean, there's very few, we've talked about it before, there's very few.

00:39:08.000 Very few because the idea was always sort of detection, right?

00:39:12.000 Okay, we've got to create better systems to detect deep fakes.

00:39:16.000 Right.

00:39:17.000 But now I think the focus has rightly shifted from sort of the detection to more proactive protection of material, right?

00:39:27.000 So get it at the moment of creation.

00:39:30.000 Embed the ability within the video clip, the audio clip, whatever.

00:39:36.000 To show that you've got proof of whatever you want to call it, reality, credibility, authenticity, and that's the way it's all going because you just can't keep up.

00:39:47.000 If all you're doing is trying to create better systems to detect deep fakes, it's a losing game.

00:39:51.000 It's like battling terrorists because you're coming up with an IT to prevent a terrorist attack based on the last terrorist attack.

00:39:58.000 And they're on to something else.

00:40:00.000 Right.

00:40:00.000 So it's an interesting world.

00:40:02.000 There's not that many companies out there that are doing a great job of it, but there are some.

00:40:06.000 I think it's going to get to a point where it's impossible to tell.

00:40:09.000 I think that's not far away.

00:40:11.000 I think we're there.

00:40:12.000 Yeah.

00:40:12.000 It's pretty close.

00:40:13.000 Most people aren't curious, right?

00:40:15.000 Most people are, or they don't have time, or they're not cynical, right?

00:40:19.000 And so most people are willing to look at something and go, yeah, you know, I mean, unless it's just clearly bullshit.

00:40:24.000 But for the most part, if it's a...

00:40:27.000 Half-decent fake, right?

00:40:30.000 I think most people will accept it and move on.

00:40:33.000 I like the ones that are obvious.

00:40:37.000 They're really good, but they're obvious fakes.

00:40:39.000 Like, did you see the one with Kamala Harris after she lost the presidency?

00:40:41.000 She's wearing a bikini top, walking with a beer.

00:40:43.000 It says, unemployed.

00:40:45.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:40:45.000 That's good.

00:40:46.000 But it's obvious that it's not real, so it's okay.

00:40:49.000 Like, the ones where Trump's playing the guitar, and then there's all these other people, like Putin's in the background with the drums.

00:40:55.000 Have you seen that one?

00:40:55.000 Yeah, that is good.

00:40:56.000 There's one where I haven't...

00:40:58.000 I don't think I've seen the one with him playing the drums.

00:41:00.000 But I've seen them where there's a whole series of world leaders and they're in a ballad together.

00:41:06.000 It's fantastic.

00:41:07.000 The one with Trump playing guitar, I think they're doing...

00:41:10.000 It's Fortunate Son, right?

00:41:12.000 It is, right?

00:41:13.000 I think it's on my Instagram, right?

00:41:15.000 Creedence Clearwater Revival.

00:41:16.000 It's so good, and it's obviously fake.

00:41:19.000 That's why I like it.

00:41:20.000 It's not tricking me, but I'm like, wow, that's really good.

00:41:23.000 And it's interesting.

00:41:25.000 Again, talking about regulatory policy not catching up, I'm kidding.

00:41:28.000 What do you do, right?

00:41:29.000 I mean, like, if you were in Europe, right, you could be fined and jailed, right, in a case for, like, pushing something that's disinformation or whatever.

00:41:40.000 Or you're just goofing, right?

00:41:41.000 Yeah, you can't goof.

00:41:43.000 But you can't, you know, if it's an obvious, to your point, if it's an obvious goof, then okay, you can probably get away with, maybe not if you're in Germany or somewhere, but...

00:41:51.000 Germany's going crazy. 0.95

00:41:52.000 They are going crazy.

00:41:53.000 Crazy.

00:41:54.000 And they were happy with J.D. Vance's speech.

00:41:56.000 I'll tell you that much.

00:41:57.000 I wonder why.

00:41:58.000 Nobody in the EU was happy.

00:42:00.000 The head of the Munich Security Conference literally cried after the speech when they were addressing EU leaders following the speech, right, talking about, you know, the impact and what it might have meant for U.S.-EU relations and everything.

00:42:13.000 Literally tears being shed.

00:42:17.000 Over J.D. Vance's speech.

00:42:18.000 What was it about his speech in particular that was offensive?

00:42:22.000 Well, I think what they were anticipating at the Munich Security Conference was he was going to come in and he was going to talk about, obviously, the number one topic on the table for them was Ukraine.

00:42:31.000 And, you know, where are we going with that?

00:42:33.000 Because, obviously, the EU leaders are now very concerned about U.S. commitment to NATO. What is the Trump administration, you know, planning on doing in terms of further support for Ukraine, really further support for NATO? They're looking to distance themselves.

00:42:48.000 And Vance instead came in and didn't really focus on any of that shit.

00:42:52.000 He turned it on to the European Union and to EU countries and the UK, the UK in particular, talking about how...

00:43:00.000 You know, their biggest threat isn't necessarily Russia or China.

00:43:04.000 Their biggest threat is what they're doing to themselves in terms of suppressing free speech from all the various groups out there, including conservative groups, far left, whatever, determining that, you know, this type of speech is illegal.

00:43:17.000 We're going to pursue you.

00:43:18.000 We're going to fine you.

00:43:19.000 We're going to jail you.

00:43:20.000 Armed raids against people that are, you know, pushing content online.

00:43:26.000 Including anti-immigrant content.

00:43:28.000 Anti-immigrant content.

00:43:29.000 But to be fair, right, I mean, most of Europe at this point is pretty fed up with the immigration policies that their leaders have.

00:43:36.000 Which is why they want to suppress the dissent online.

00:43:39.000 Exactly.

00:43:40.000 They're not doing it because they genuinely think this is a moral and ethical thing to do.

00:43:44.000 They're doing it because they sense an uprising.

00:43:46.000 Yeah, and they rightly should.

00:43:47.000 Look, Olaf Scholz, the German chancellor, he's not getting re-elected.

00:43:50.000 And their election is coming up here shortly.

00:43:52.000 And so it's not going to happen for him.

00:43:55.000 So I think, yeah, they're rightly—not rightly, but they are concerned about their own political power.

00:44:01.000 That's— That's what it is, and that's what people need to understand.

00:44:04.000 It's not rocket science.

00:44:05.000 It's not that the Europeans are the kinder, more progressive. 0.84

00:44:09.000 No.

00:44:09.000 They understand that it's coming, and they want to do everything they can to stop it, because most people are fed up.

00:44:16.000 Most people just want to be left the fuck alone.

00:44:18.000 And if you tell them that they can't put a flag meme on one of their Facebook pages, or they get arrested, which is what happened in Germany.

00:44:26.000 Yeah.

00:44:27.000 So if you talk about the immigration problem, and you say, look, we've got to stop. 0.96

00:44:31.000 We've got to, you know, maybe secure borders.

00:44:34.000 If you talk about the Ukraine war and say, I don't think we should be supporting, you know, dumping more resource into Ukraine, all those things, or reproductive rights, if you're on the wrong side of that from a European perspective, you know, they're coming after you.

00:44:46.000 And so that's what J.D. Vance came after.

00:44:48.000 He turned the tables on them and focused on that.

00:44:51.000 And that was...

00:44:52.000 A, it was completely unexpected.

00:44:54.000 B, I think the reality of it, the fact that it's truthful, I think, upset a lot of them.

00:44:59.000 It's truthful and it also appeals to their citizens.

00:45:02.000 That's the thing.

00:45:03.000 The citizens say, this is the way we want our government to talk.

00:45:07.000 Yeah.

00:45:07.000 And I think it's funny because a lot of people on...

00:45:10.000 There's a lot of people on social media right now going, oh, my God, you don't realize how hated you are now as Americans, and the U.S. is so hated.

00:45:17.000 I think, look, I spent most of my time overseas, right?

00:45:20.000 And most people are going, yeah, it seems like it's common sense.

00:45:23.000 You guys are finally coming around, right?

00:45:26.000 And so I don't think they're going to win the argument that somehow the U.S. is more hated.

00:45:31.000 Look, we've been hated in a variety of locations.

00:45:33.000 Well, we definitely are hated in Canada right now.

00:45:34.000 Oh, yeah.

00:45:35.000 Is there a hockey game?

00:45:37.000 See, we're booing the national anthem so hard.

00:45:40.000 They get in three fights in the first nine minutes.

00:45:42.000 Yeah.

00:45:43.000 And then we kick Canada's ass.

00:45:45.000 Sorry, Canada.

00:45:46.000 In Canada.

00:45:47.000 Which is not good, because that's their fucking sport.

00:45:49.000 That's basically their only shot at beating us at anything.

00:45:51.000 Yeah.

00:45:52.000 Curling.

00:45:53.000 Curling.

00:45:53.000 They might be able to win at that.

00:45:54.000 But if we practice it, we'd be better at that, too.

00:45:56.000 Yeah.

00:45:57.000 They make great mixed martial arts fighters.

00:45:59.000 One of the greatest of all time.

00:46:00.000 George St. Pierre is from Canada.

00:46:02.000 Yeah.

00:46:02.000 But after that...

00:46:04.000 Let me think.

00:46:05.000 Get your football team and come fuck with America.

00:46:07.000 I'm trying to think of other things that I could throw out there.

00:46:10.000 Maybe baseball.

00:46:11.000 Blue Jays are really good.

00:46:12.000 Molson.

00:46:13.000 Yeah, they have strong beer.

00:46:15.000 They have great people.

00:46:16.000 I love Canada.

00:46:16.000 I love the people.

00:46:17.000 Likewise, yeah.

00:46:18.000 It's just they're too nice and they let communists run their country.

00:46:21.000 Yeah.

00:46:21.000 And that guy's a communist.

00:46:23.000 Well, it is one of those moments where you think, okay, I understand.

00:46:28.000 I get your point.

00:46:29.000 The talk about turning Canada into a 51st state.

00:46:31.000 That's a little crazy.

00:46:32.000 That's a little crazy.

00:46:33.000 A little crazy.

00:46:34.000 He's serious!

00:46:35.000 He told me on the phone he was serious.

00:46:37.000 At first I was joking around, but then I was thinking, maybe it's not a bad idea.

00:46:42.000 Now I think he keeps talking to him, refers to him as Governor Trudeau.

00:46:45.000 It's so funny.

00:46:47.000 You know what I love is, I was just out in the Middle East for some things, including the amazing trek with the guys from the SF Club.

00:46:58.000 It was right during the period of time when President Trump announced his idea during that press conference with Netanyahu about, look, we're going to own, the U.S. is going to own Gaza.

00:47:09.000 Did you see a look on Netanyahu's face when he was saying that?

00:47:11.000 Yes.

00:47:12.000 Netanyahu's like, what in the fuck did I get into?

00:47:15.000 And now you know what they're all doing?

00:47:16.000 The Israeli cabinet is fully on board with the idea, in part because I think they understand that, okay, look, this is probably not going to happen, but if we take this position, it's going to create It's going to create some movement, right?

00:47:30.000 And maybe that leads to something of interest.

00:47:32.000 And I think being out in the Middle East when that idea came out and hearing some of the responses from people out there was amazing.

00:47:40.000 But what I like about it...

00:47:42.000 Look, you're not going to move 2.3 million Palestinians out of Gaza, right?

00:47:47.000 Because...

00:47:47.000 None of the Arab states want them.

00:47:49.000 The Egyptians have fought against this idea for years and years and years.

00:47:53.000 That's a good point, and maybe a lot of people aren't aware of, is that the wall on the side of Egypt is way bigger than the wall on the side of Israel.

00:48:01.000 That is an impenetrable wall that's heavily guarded.

00:48:04.000 They do not want Palestinians coming into Egypt, which is kind of crazy.

00:48:08.000 Well, from their perspective, look, it's a security issue.

00:48:11.000 And there's a lot of Palestinian refugees in Jordan, so it's not like Jordan hasn't tried to do their part.

00:48:17.000 But they also, what are they going to do, absorb another million, two million Palestinians?

00:48:21.000 No.

00:48:21.000 So the problem, from an operational perspective, is it's unlikely to happen, right?

00:48:29.000 And also, do you really want the U.S. buying and owning Gaza? 0.71

00:48:34.000 And then being out there, you think that the cost of supporting Ukraine is high.

00:48:39.000 Wait till you see what the cost of not only the reconstruction, but the security of the reconstruction.

00:48:46.000 What that's going to mean.

00:48:47.000 You think there was a boon in private security contractors during the Iraq incursions?

00:48:51.000 This will make that look like nothing.

00:48:54.000 Right.

00:48:54.000 Because they've got to guard their investments.

00:48:56.000 Exactly.

00:48:56.000 So the costs involved, the potential for just never-ending trouble.

00:49:02.000 But what I do like about it is, look, now the Arab states are responding by having a summit, right?

00:49:11.000 They're having a summit at the end of this month, and they've been having little mini-discussions amongst themselves, but all the key players in the area are now meeting to discuss what's an alternative.

00:49:22.000 Right?

00:49:22.000 What is the way to make this happen?

00:49:25.000 And, you know, it's not going to be by the U.S. owning it and building the Riviera, right?

00:49:29.000 Or a series of casinos.

00:49:31.000 But the Arab states are having to react.

00:49:35.000 And so what that means is nothing's worked beforehand, right?

00:49:39.000 Nothing in terms of two-state, you know, option, other security agreements, peace agreements that have held for some period of time and then fallen apart.

00:49:47.000 None of that shit's worked.

00:49:49.000 So I think...

00:49:51.000 The sort of the disruptive aspect of sometimes of what Trump does, even though you may look at the idea on the surface and go, it's not going to work, you have these other effects, right?

00:50:00.000 So now you've got the Arab states having to respond, coming up with these ideas.

00:50:04.000 They're already over the past couple of days saying, well, Hamas can't play a role.

00:50:09.000 If you had said that a year ago, Egypt and Qatar and some of these other Arab states out there would have gotten on board with the idea that Hamas has got to go.

00:50:18.000 That wouldn't have happened, right?

00:50:19.000 I mean, before the 7 October attacks.

00:50:22.000 Right.

00:50:22.000 They're also talking about rebuilding it themselves.

00:50:25.000 They're like, well, we'll do it.

00:50:26.000 We'll do it.

00:50:27.000 Just back off.

00:50:28.000 We'll do it.

00:50:28.000 We'll take care of it.

00:50:29.000 Which is great.

00:50:30.000 And that's when they have to say Hamas can't be a part of it.

00:50:33.000 Right.

00:50:33.000 That's because they know what the problem is.

00:50:35.000 And they haven't been willing to admit it before.

00:50:37.000 But because the Trump administration has thrown stuff at the wall to see what sticks, they've got to respond.

00:50:44.000 And so now they're...

00:50:46.000 They're coming up with these ideas.

00:50:47.000 Look, Hamas, you know, they are a shell of what they were, right?

00:50:53.000 But they're still supported by the Iranian regime, which is a big problem, right? 0.51

00:50:57.000 And the Iranian regime, you know, do you think they don't want peace?

00:51:01.000 They don't want stability, right?

00:51:02.000 That's not in the books.

00:51:04.000 One of the benefits from their perspective of the 7 October attacks was that it completely scuttled the...

00:51:10.000 The normalization talks that were going on between Saudi and Israel and the U.S. at the time.

00:51:15.000 So they're going to continue to be a problem.

00:51:19.000 But Hamas is now kind of on its back foot.

00:51:24.000 The Palestinian Authority is saying, well, we'll come in and we'll govern Gaza.

00:51:28.000 Well, the Israelis are saying, no, no, that's not going to happen either because you guys are peas in a pod. 0.76

00:51:34.000 You know, Palestinian Authority has a program where they actually pay the families of people who kill Israelis, right?

00:51:43.000 It's called the pay to slay program.

00:51:45.000 Really?

00:51:45.000 Yeah.

00:51:46.000 Oh, yeah.

00:51:46.000 That's what it's called?

00:51:47.000 Yep.

00:51:48.000 Pay to slay.

00:51:48.000 How much do you get paid?

00:51:49.000 You know what?

00:51:50.000 I'm not sure what the going rate is now, but, you know, for out there, it's, you know, it's a payment, ongoing payments to families.

00:52:00.000 Who have family members who have attacked, wounded, or killed Israelis.

00:52:06.000 And so, you know, that plus, you know, other ties between Hamas and the PA. And look, there's been animosity, obviously.

00:52:13.000 Hamas drove the Palestinian Authority out of Gaza years ago.

00:52:16.000 But, you know, the Israelis see it as the same.

00:52:19.000 And so, you know, my point being is the Arab states are now reacting and...

00:52:24.000 You could end up with something that actually works, as opposed to all the bullshit in the past that never did work.

00:52:30.000 And it continued to provide nothing for the Palestinian people.

00:52:34.000 And if you say, look, all this is about is we want the Palestinians to live a better life, then you should want new ideas thrown at the wall. 0.96

00:52:42.000 And you should want something that eventually is going to work.

00:52:45.000 And from a U.S. perspective, you should want something where the Arab states actually take it on board themselves.

00:52:50.000 There's also a problem with the reality of the region at this point, right?

00:52:54.000 It's like, what do you want to happen to that area?

00:52:57.000 Because someone has to rebuild it.

00:52:59.000 Look, absolutely Israel shouldn't have done what they did and kill who knows how many innocent people and literally destroy most of the buildings there. 0.95

00:53:09.000 We all can agree that's a horrible thing, but it's done.

00:53:12.000 So now what?

00:53:14.000 Yeah, and we can also agree that it was not, look, yeah, I agree.

00:53:19.000 It was a very aggressive action.

00:53:21.000 I would argue that the U.S. would engage in that same aggressive action if we had had a proportionate, you know, attack.

00:53:28.000 From Mexico or something like that.

00:53:30.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:53:30.000 Or Canada.

00:53:31.000 Right.

00:53:32.000 Goddamn Canadians. 1.00

00:53:34.000 They're plotting something.

00:53:35.000 I just know it.

00:53:38.000 So that's true.

00:53:40.000 But again, it was a war that Hamas started.

00:53:42.000 I think you have to go back to the beginning of this one.

00:53:45.000 And yes, there's fault on both sides, of course.

00:53:48.000 But Hamas now at times has been acting like the aggrieved party.

00:53:53.000 It's fuck around and find out in the worst way possible.

00:53:57.000 That's what it is.

00:53:58.000 I mean, they gave Israel the green light to just go ham. 0.50

00:54:01.000 And now when you see the overhead drone footage of what Gaza looks like now, it's hard to even believe that it's real.

00:54:09.000 Everything's gone.

00:54:10.000 Yeah, which I get it.

00:54:11.000 I mean, from a real estate developer's perspective, I'm sure he's seen overhead imagery.

00:54:15.000 Going to turn it into the Mediterranean, the Middle East. 0.98

00:54:18.000 This looks like a demolition site.

00:54:19.000 So let's clear it out.

00:54:21.000 The real question is, if that doesn't...

00:54:23.000 Okay, then what?

00:54:24.000 If you don't want that to happen, then what?

00:54:27.000 If the United States doesn't take it over, who should? 0.91

00:54:30.000 And what do you do with it?

00:54:31.000 And how do you get the money to rebuild it?

00:54:33.000 And where does it come from?

00:54:35.000 And how do you do it?

00:54:36.000 Who do you bring in to rebuild it?

00:54:38.000 Who governs it? 0.95

00:54:39.000 How does that work?

00:54:41.000 Who gets what building?

00:54:42.000 How does it work?

00:54:44.000 It's a very complicated thing when you destroy an entire fucking city.

00:54:48.000 See if you can find some of that overhead footage.

00:54:51.000 When you're talking about moving out 2.3 million people to other areas.

00:54:56.000 But look, I think, again, the answer is that the Arab states have to take this on.

00:55:01.000 They finally have to address this issue.

00:55:04.000 Some of them have used the Palestinian issue to their own devices without doing anything to their benefit of the Palestinians.

00:55:10.000 Look at this footage.

00:55:11.000 This is unbelievable.

00:55:14.000 I mean, this looks like they got hit with an asteroid.

00:55:17.000 It's unbelievable, the scope of it.

00:55:21.000 It's just insane.

00:55:23.000 It's insane to see.

00:55:26.000 Dave Smith had a very good take on this.

00:55:29.000 He was on one of those Pierce Morgan, everybody yells at everybody panels, which are really fun for about five minutes.

00:55:35.000 But let me send Jamie what Dave said.

00:55:38.000 Because Dave had, in my opinion, the best take on this.

00:55:42.000 Where it's like, you see, you're like, okay, yeah.

00:55:46.000 That's correct.

00:55:47.000 This is the way to look at it, I think.

00:55:51.000 Because it's like, yeah.

00:55:54.000 Look, again, I think unless...

00:55:57.000 I don't know who would be on board.

00:56:01.000 Take it from beyond the initial sentence of the U.S. will take ownership.

00:56:08.000 Oh, here we go.

00:56:09.000 I'm guessing if this is it.

00:56:10.000 I don't know if I... Is that Dean Cain on the right?

00:56:13.000 No.

00:56:14.000 Yeah.

00:56:15.000 It is?

00:56:16.000 Yes.

00:56:16.000 Superman.

00:56:16.000 I don't know if this is the right rant.

00:56:18.000 I didn't click it from you.

00:56:19.000 I'll click the one you sent.

00:56:20.000 Yeah, click the one I sent.

00:56:22.000 It's probably the same one.

00:56:27.000 Sometimes I love these Pierce Morgan panels.

00:56:29.000 You never know who you're going to show up in one of those boxes.

00:56:32.000 And it's a bizarre mix of people.

00:56:37.000 Okay.

00:56:40.000 It's just like the commentary for Wimbledon where we just don't say anything.

00:56:44.000 Pictures of Gaza?

00:56:46.000 Are you telling me there were Hamas missiles in every single one of those buildings?

00:56:50.000 That's the entirety of the story?

00:56:52.000 Is that Israel just had to blow up this building?

00:56:54.000 Which, by the way, still I don't think would be morally justified.

00:56:57.000 But, like, come on, man.

00:56:59.000 Look, like, it's just, again, even to Dean's point, I always find this fascinating because somehow Americans could say this about the people in Hamas and go like, you know, like you said, yeah, I wouldn't like to be kicked out of my neighborhood, but if my...

00:57:11.000 Government had done October 7th, I'd accept it.

00:57:14.000 Your government, Dean, destroyed Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Somalia, Yemen.

00:57:21.000 The drone bombing campaign in Pakistan?

00:57:23.000 Can you get kicked out of your house now?

00:57:26.000 Is it not ethnic cleansing if we were to kick you out of your neighborhood? 0.97

00:57:29.000 This is so ridiculous that we impose these standards on these poor people that we would never dream of holding ourselves to that standard.

00:57:38.000 It logically makes absolutely no sense.

00:57:40.000 And it doesn't really matter what Hamas' approval rating is in the same way that it doesn't matter that George W. Bush had record high approval ratings.

00:57:47.000 That doesn't mean that the innocent civilians in the United States of America Our fair game, and neither should any other group of civilians.

00:57:55.000 Perfectly said.

00:57:56.000 Yeah.

00:57:57.000 No, I mean, look, if you could do surgical strikes and do nothing but kill Hamas terrorists, great. 0.91

00:58:02.000 Yeah.

00:58:04.000 But, you know, that's not the real world.

00:58:07.000 You know, Dave's talking about a world that we don't exist in, right?

00:58:09.000 I would argue.

00:58:10.000 This is where we would differ.

00:58:12.000 I like Dave Smith a lot, and I think he's incredibly intelligent.

00:58:16.000 But, you know, we fundamentally look at things sometimes...

00:58:20.000 In a different world view because of our experiences, right?

00:58:23.000 And my experience has been dealing with a lot of hostile actors who, you know, you may look at and think, okay, well, can't we just...

00:58:32.000 I don't say we'll get along, but they exist and we exist and do we really...

00:58:36.000 That's not the world we work in, right?

00:58:39.000 And urban combat is really ugly.

00:58:41.000 It's not dismissing, you know, the horrific nature of it and the fact that, yeah, sure, in a perfect world, it's morally repugnant.

00:58:47.000 And it is, you know, but...

00:58:49.000 It's the world that we live in, so I think, okay, on one hand, I get what he's saying, and I don't disagree on that moral side of things, but from my background, I don't tend to live in that world.

00:59:01.000 I tend to live in sort of the operational side of things, and sometimes you have to do things that are not good.

00:59:07.000 But even as extreme as that?

00:59:09.000 Well, yeah.

00:59:10.000 That's the thing.

00:59:11.000 It's so extreme.

00:59:13.000 Oh, I know, and I don't disagree, and they have...

00:59:16.000 They went above and beyond.

00:59:18.000 There's no doubt about it.

00:59:20.000 But to my point, and I think to kind of what he was saying, look, we did after 9-11.

00:59:27.000 We went above and beyond from a proportionate standpoint.

00:59:31.000 And we felt certainly justified in doing it.

00:59:34.000 I mean, we did.

00:59:35.000 America finally came together as a group, as opposed to the partisan way that we live now.

00:59:41.000 But we were justified based on a lie, which is even crazy, because they used that justification and went after a group of people that had nothing to do with it, based on a lie of weapons of mass destruction, which is even crazier, right?

00:59:53.000 We went to a completely different country.

00:59:54.000 Yeah.

00:59:55.000 Well, I think Hamas also, you know, these are disjointed statements, and I'm not really tying it all together very well at all, but, you know, there's also this element that Hamas doesn't give a shit about the Palestinian citizens, right?

01:00:08.000 The civilians, I mean.

01:00:11.000 If they did, they wouldn't conduct their operations.

01:00:15.000 Their methodology would be different, right?

01:00:16.000 They wouldn't bury themselves in their operations and their command centers and everything that they do, right?

01:00:22.000 Their depots, their missile weapons supply centers within the public environment, right?

01:00:29.000 They just wouldn't, right?

01:00:31.000 Well, they probably never expected this.

01:00:34.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:00:36.000 There's no way they would have done October 7th if they expected this response.

01:00:40.000 Well, there's no way that the Iranian regime, I think, would have allowed them to do this if they anticipated they would get this sort of response.

01:00:46.000 So I think you're right.

01:00:49.000 And again, this is the problem.

01:00:52.000 People only hear what they want to hear, right?

01:00:54.000 So they hear me say from an operational perspective, I understand that they had an aggressive response.

01:01:00.000 But then they stop listening, right?

01:01:02.000 So what I'm saying is, was it over the top?

01:01:04.000 Well, yes, it was over the top.

01:01:05.000 And could they have been more surgical about this?

01:01:07.000 Well, yes, they certainly could have.

01:01:09.000 Could they have prevented some loss of civilian life?

01:01:12.000 Well, yes.

01:01:13.000 Would that have been difficult?

01:01:14.000 Well, yes.

01:01:15.000 Why?

01:01:15.000 Because Hamas puts themselves in the center of civilian life there.

01:01:18.000 They know this is what's going to happen.

01:01:20.000 This is their currency.

01:01:21.000 Dead Palestinians. 1.00

01:01:22.000 That drives their narrative.

01:01:23.000 And they always know it's going to turn against the Israelis as we're having these discussions.

01:01:28.000 That's what happens.

01:01:29.000 And they've got enough of a track record to know that's what's going to happen.

01:01:32.000 So they use it to their advantage.

01:01:34.000 You know, again, it doesn't excuse the killing.

01:01:36.000 I keep coming back to that same thing.

01:01:37.000 You could have, you know, disparate multiple, you know, thoughts in your head at the same time, right?

01:01:42.000 You can feel bad about that.

01:01:43.000 And at the same time, you can go, yeah, it was fucked up what they did on 7 October.

01:01:47.000 You're going to go after Hamas. 0.81

01:01:49.000 And then what you're going to find is urban combat is really, really fucking ugly, right?

01:01:54.000 And you're going to have casualties that you really, really regret having.

01:01:58.000 Were there more than needed?

01:02:00.000 I would say yes.

01:02:01.000 They didn't need...

01:02:02.000 The extent of their response, but I understand their mindset for why they went so hard after Hamas.

01:02:09.000 This is decades and decades, you know, built up saying no more, right?

01:02:13.000 We can't put up with this anymore.

01:02:14.000 Now, again, the problem is, you know, the problem is not that it's not really Hamas.

01:02:21.000 I keep coming back to the same thing.

01:02:22.000 The problem is that the instigator of all this trouble, the instigator of the vast majority of chaos and instability and violence and death.

01:02:30.000 In that region is the Iranian regime.

01:02:32.000 Most Arab states will agree to that.

01:02:34.000 Maybe not the Yemenis, right? 1.00

01:02:36.000 You know, but most of those Arab states are not going to be sad to see the Iranian regime fall for this very reason.

01:02:44.000 Everybody wants a better life, right?

01:02:46.000 However they perceive it.

01:02:47.000 The Iranian regime, you know, the mullahs and the IRGC, you know, they've got a stated objective and they are pursuing that as long as those people are in charge.

01:03:00.000 Ultimately, we're not going to get a big sea change here.

01:03:02.000 We're not going to get a huge shift in the way things go.

01:03:05.000 But if you want a better life, then you've got to look to whatever you want to call it, the head of the snake or the top of the mountain.

01:03:11.000 There they are, the Iranian regime driving a lot of this chaos. 1.00

01:03:14.000 So anyway, I'm getting away from the point, but I don't disagree with Dave.

01:03:18.000 I always like a lot of the things that he says.

01:03:19.000 I just think that we come at it sometimes from a much different perspective.

01:03:24.000 I don't tend to believe that the world is full of...

01:03:29.000 I don't think that's his perspective either.

01:03:32.000 Well, yeah.

01:03:34.000 I'm not putting it well, but I think what I mean is that there's...

01:03:39.000 It's not...

01:03:42.000 I was having a conversation the other day, and it was about U.S. involvement in a variety of groups, activities, associations over the years, looking to...

01:03:55.000 Topple governments looking to change, you know, the direction of a government.

01:04:02.000 All the nefarious things that the CIA has been accused of over the years.

01:04:06.000 And I was like, well, goddamn, what did you expect?

01:04:11.000 Of course that's what we're doing.

01:04:13.000 Of course, we're trying to influence hearts and minds.

01:04:16.000 Of course, we're infiltrating organizations to try to influence the direction of a government that, you know, you go all the way back to the Cold War, right?

01:04:22.000 We were convinced the Russians or the Soviets were going to blow us to hell, right?

01:04:27.000 Of course, we're going to be doing a variety of things.

01:04:29.000 You want a government over there that's more friendly to you?

01:04:31.000 Okay, how are we going to go about doing that, right?

01:04:33.000 If that means VOA or Voice of America or that means infiltrating some organization that's going to try to win them, yeah.

01:04:38.000 So, you know, is that morally repugnant?

01:04:41.000 I don't know.

01:04:42.000 But you think it's necessary.

01:04:44.000 I think it's understandable.

01:04:47.000 And I think also...

01:04:50.000 So imagine a world without that.

01:04:52.000 So if that is a vacuum and we stop doing that entirely altogether, does that vacuum get filled up by another power?

01:05:02.000 Yeah.

01:05:02.000 Yeah, this is the problem, right?

01:05:04.000 That's the problem, is that we don't live in a world of benign nations who, like, if we're not the police, you know, at the top of the food chain, nobody needs to be there.

01:05:13.000 Someone's going to fill that gap, and you know what?

01:05:18.000 Maybe I'm wrong, but I've been around a long time, and I've spent most of it overseas in unusual places.

01:05:26.000 We make a lot of mistakes as a country.

01:05:27.000 It's a human endeavor, but we do try to correct.

01:05:31.000 Can take time, right?

01:05:32.000 It can take a lot of time.

01:05:33.000 We make a lot of mistakes.

01:05:34.000 Of course we do.

01:05:35.000 But I've seen a lot of players out there, and I'd rather have us and our allies trying to direct traffic rather than some of the hostile actors that are out there.

01:05:46.000 This is the best-case scenario perspective.

01:05:49.000 Worst-case scenario perspective is that these policy changes that we are initiating and that we are influencing.

01:05:58.000 Is for corporations to make more money.

01:06:01.000 It's to control resources and to control areas and to make things friendlier for business.

01:06:07.000 That's the worst case scenario is this is done in a mercenary fashion.

01:06:12.000 Yeah.

01:06:12.000 But is that...

01:06:13.000 But that's what...

01:06:13.000 I mean, that's what...

01:06:14.000 The Chinese regime? 0.70

01:06:15.000 Sure.

01:06:15.000 That's what...

01:06:16.000 Here's my question.

01:06:17.000 Is that just what happens?

01:06:19.000 Like, when you do have the ability to control other regimes, isn't it almost...

01:06:28.000 Doesn't it almost logical that you are you're gonna need a lot of money and you're gonna need a lot of influence to do that and so there's gonna be a bunch of people say actually We could use some of those minerals Actually, you know that natural gas is very valuable, right?

01:06:42.000 Actually if we could destabilize Russia's energy systems and you know pump up Ukraine's and control it That'd be pretty good. 0.97

01:06:50.000 And so then We start initiating things and we start the coup in Ukraine in 2014 and a bunch of different things.

01:06:58.000 We started helping things along that would benefit us both geopolitically, but also geopolitically in the sense that like you're controlling the geology of the land, which is the real term geopolitical, right?

01:07:10.000 Yeah.

01:07:10.000 That's the real term, right?

01:07:11.000 Doesn't it have to do with like controlling regions?

01:07:15.000 Well, sure.

01:07:15.000 Yeah, and I think that it's...

01:07:17.000 Yeah, you're talking about national self-interest.

01:07:20.000 Right.

01:07:21.000 I think in the world that we actually live in, every country is acting in its own self-interest.

01:07:27.000 But then it's also national self-interest that's kind of prostituted by corporations.

01:07:34.000 This is what people are worried about, is that we engage in certain activity that's avoidable simply for profit.

01:07:43.000 Yes, absolutely.

01:07:44.000 I don't think there's any doubt about that.

01:07:46.000 I think, look...

01:07:47.000 It's just what happens when you have a system like this, right?

01:07:50.000 When you can influence foreign governments and you do have enormous amounts of resources and you do...

01:07:56.000 Have the ability to change things and install a government that's more friendly to...

01:08:02.000 But if you're not going to do that, let me go back to the...

01:08:05.000 I'll go to the Cold War because that's probably our best example of what happens when you...

01:08:09.000 Because you actually had...

01:08:09.000 It wasn't just a unipolar world, right?

01:08:11.000 You had the Soviets and you had the U.S. Yes, there was concern over life itself.

01:08:23.000 There was this...

01:08:24.000 You know, concern over mutual destruction.

01:08:28.000 But there was concern over influence.

01:08:30.000 So the Soviets were busy in a variety of places.

01:08:34.000 Let's pick Africa, right? 1.00

01:08:35.000 So in the mid to late 50s, right, as Africa was moving, you know, clearly, strongly away from colonialism, right?

01:08:46.000 And independent states started, you know, sprouting up.

01:08:51.000 Then...

01:08:51.000 There was this concern over, well, okay, the old colonial era is gone, right?

01:08:56.000 The Belgians aren't going to own the Congo, as an example.

01:09:00.000 The Congo is rich in resources, right?

01:09:05.000 Uranium, cobalt, you know, diamonds, obviously, but let's take uranium.

01:09:12.000 The Belgians were running Congo when we were developing the bomb, and almost all that uranium came from the Congo.

01:09:21.000 Right?

01:09:22.000 So that's a good example of the U.S. looking and saying, okay, are the Belgians, you know, good stewards of the Congo?

01:09:34.000 Well, no, right?

01:09:35.000 They were enslaving people and having them work in the uranium mines. 0.94

01:09:38.000 And we were taking that uranium and using it to build the bomb, the Manhattan Project.

01:09:45.000 Now, all those years later, I'm in the Congo.

01:09:47.000 You know, realized its independence, you know, Patrice Lumumba and all the rest of that history.

01:09:52.000 But now the Congo is wrapped up in conflict still.

01:09:56.000 Why is it still in conflict?

01:09:57.000 Because of its minerals.

01:09:59.000 Cobalt now is the key, right?

01:10:01.000 I mean, uranium you can get from a variety of places, Australia and elsewhere, Kazakhstan and a variety of other locations.

01:10:06.000 But cobalt, they've got maybe 60 percent.

01:10:11.000 Don't quote me on that, but I think it's about that.

01:10:13.000 Of the world's cobalt supplies.

01:10:15.000 What do you need cobalt for?

01:10:16.000 Well, electric vehicles, batteries.

01:10:18.000 Yeah.

01:10:19.000 So now the eastern Congo is still in conflict.

01:10:22.000 That place is a mess.

01:10:24.000 If it's not the poorest, it's like the second or third poorest country in the world.

01:10:28.000 And isn't most of those mines, they're controlled by China?

01:10:32.000 Well, a lot of them are controlled on the eastern side by militias, right?

01:10:36.000 Congo's been a difficult place for everybody to try to wrap up licensing agreements, right?

01:10:42.000 You know, you've got 100-plus militias out there vying for control because it's money, right?

01:10:48.000 And so I guess my point is, I mean, you know, it's good you brought up China because, yes, they've been busy trying to lock up a variety of locations in terms of critical minerals, and they've got a monopoly on refining those minerals essentially at this point in time.

01:11:03.000 But I just think it's...

01:11:08.000 Yeah, maybe what I'm surprised by, because I'm so fucking cynical, is, you know, the idea when you say, you know, it's corporate interests, it's government interests, it's self-interest of a nation, you know, to pursue and do these things.

01:11:26.000 I'll be honest with you, I look at it and go, well, yeah, of course it is.

01:11:30.000 I don't know any other world, right?

01:11:32.000 I don't know that we're not going to walk that dog back over, you know, a couple thousand years.

01:11:36.000 You know, people have been doing the same fucking thing all human existence, I would argue.

01:11:40.000 So I just kind of look at it, and I, you know, maybe because I'm not wired that way, I don't sit around and go, that's fucking wrong.

01:11:48.000 We have to rail against this.

01:11:50.000 Yeah, I'm a very simple person, so I look at it and go, yeah, that's how it works.

01:11:54.000 And goddamn right, I'd rather be on the top of the heap than, you know, not.

01:11:59.000 And, you know, as long as we're...

01:12:01.000 So this is like a pragmatic perspective based on your experience overseas and your understanding of how these things are done is that if we don't do something, if we don't act in some way to influence these governments and control these regions and do whatever we can to make sure that our interests are being...

01:12:25.000 That we are the ones that are kind of directing the way things go.

01:12:30.000 Right.

01:12:30.000 I would rather be directing how things are going than not.

01:12:33.000 Right.

01:12:34.000 And those are the two options.

01:12:36.000 I think those are the two options because we're not going to live as a community of nations.

01:12:39.000 What are we going to do?

01:12:39.000 I mean, you know, hold hands and say, okay, everybody's going to live as a collective, right?

01:12:44.000 Right.

01:12:44.000 You know, so I know that...

01:12:51.000 I'm sure there's all sorts of flaws in the way that I'm thinking, but I'm a very simple person.

01:12:56.000 When I was in operations, you tell me what to do, I'll do it.

01:12:59.000 I never sat around and got angsty about anything because I just didn't see any point in it.

01:13:06.000 Again, pragmatic.

01:13:07.000 Yeah, or just being a douchebag.

01:13:10.000 Well, there's a lot of people listening that probably come to that conclusion.

01:13:13.000 Yes, I think you're right.

01:13:15.000 Yeah, but this is the reality of that job, right?

01:13:18.000 And this is the reality of international relations.

01:13:23.000 Yeah, I just, you know, and look, I'll tell you something.

01:13:25.000 Look, there are people over the years, I think, you know, the CIA leadership at times, over the years, I'm talking, you know, all the way back to World War II and, you know, beyond, certainly during the Cold War.

01:13:38.000 Alan Dulles is a good example of that, where, you know, they legitimately would sit around and say, well, as far as I know, we're not in the business of overthrowing countries, you know?

01:13:47.000 And you think, like, Well, that's bullshit.

01:13:50.000 Of course that's what we're trying to do.

01:13:53.000 We're trying to influence countries because we want them on our side.

01:13:56.000 We want to create friendly governments that, yes, will be beneficial to our national security, our economic interests, all those things.

01:14:03.000 So I've always been puzzled also by people who try to minimize that in a sense, right?

01:14:08.000 I mean, if you're doing something, then goddammit, maybe own up to it.

01:14:14.000 John Brennan, who was a director at the agency, right?

01:14:16.000 He's a relatively well-known former CIA official for a handful of reasons.

01:14:21.000 He was very tight in the Obama administration.

01:14:24.000 But he said one time, I forget what year it was, but anyway, he talked about the business of the CIA and says, we don't steal secrets.

01:14:31.000 Goddamn it, of course we steal secrets.

01:14:33.000 That's the point of the exercise, right?

01:14:35.000 You think the FSB or the Chinese Intel apparatus isn't stealing secrets?

01:14:40.000 What the fuck?

01:14:41.000 Why was he saying that?

01:14:42.000 Oh, you know, it's a kinder, gentler nation, right?

01:14:45.000 He's trying to, like, sugarcoat...

01:14:46.000 That was a laughable statement, right?

01:14:50.000 Well, why would you say something that's objectively true?

01:14:53.000 I have no idea.

01:14:54.000 Well, I mean, because, again...

01:14:55.000 Objectively false, I should say.

01:14:57.000 Maybe it's the world you want to live in, you know, instead of the one that we actually do have.

01:15:00.000 Right, but when you're doing it publicly, that's not what you're doing.

01:15:03.000 It's a PR exercise, right?

01:15:04.000 It's a PR exercise, yeah.

01:15:05.000 You're kind of pretending that we're different than what we are.

01:15:08.000 Yeah, or you're trying to convince yourself.

01:15:10.000 Who knows?

01:15:11.000 I don't understand the thinking.

01:15:13.000 I just know what he said.

01:15:14.000 But I think it's an interesting comment from, you know, the director of an intelligence organization, you know, that...

01:15:21.000 Is in the business of stealing secrets.

01:15:24.000 So I'm sure you've seen Mike Ben's take on USAID and what USAID was really all about.

01:15:30.000 And his perspective is that it's for everything that's too dirty for the CIA. He's saying USAID. Do you think there can be a rational argument, though, that a lot of these things that seem ridiculous, like sending all this money to influence the votes in Pakistan or in India, and then we look at it like, why are we spending $21 million on education here and $2 million there, and that these things are actually beneficial to the United States as a whole?

01:15:58.000 Because even though we're spending exorbitant amounts of money, the results we're getting is we are...

01:16:05.000 Maintaining peace by being in control of certain areas where someone else would come over, and then you'd get a regime that's not friendly to our interests.

01:16:14.000 Yeah, yeah, look, I mean, USAID, traditionally, they were set up, what, during the Kennedy administration as a, you know, as an independent organization, right?

01:16:24.000 Because at the time, I think that the thinking was, and they're not the only one that's set up as an independent agency, but, you know, at the time, the thinking was, we don't want it to be seen as like...

01:16:32.000 The U.S. administration is picking and choosing and driving sort of where the money's going, which, again...

01:16:42.000 It's kind of a strange way of doing things, right?

01:16:44.000 It's coming from the fucking U.S. government, right?

01:16:46.000 So people aren't going to parse words or discern somehow that, okay, well, it's an independent agency.

01:16:51.000 So I guess it's not really what the administration wants.

01:16:53.000 It's what the USAID wants.

01:16:55.000 So were dollars going into programs that the idea was, can we...

01:17:04.000 Can we turn this country around?

01:17:06.000 Can we change?

01:17:08.000 Who's in charge?

01:17:09.000 Is it Lumumba?

01:17:10.000 Is it Sukarno?

01:17:11.000 Is it, you know, God, pick any number of folks during that period of time and create a government that's more friendly to our interests?

01:17:20.000 Again, I look at that and go, well, yeah.

01:17:23.000 Is USAID also projecting whatever they call it, soft power, diplomatic power?

01:17:28.000 Well, sure.

01:17:28.000 And that's another way of phrasing it, I suppose.

01:17:32.000 Were they also doing things like feeding the poor?

01:17:35.000 Providing medicines out there, doing actually legitimate things that I think sometimes people in a righteous world are like, well, that's exactly what they should be doing.

01:17:43.000 Well, yeah, they should be doing that.

01:17:44.000 We should be, you know, the USAT has got a lot of important programs that they run, right, that actually help people around the world who don't have many options.

01:17:54.000 I think what the perspective of this administration has stated is that they're going to review all these programs and keep the useful ones.

01:18:02.000 Yes.

01:18:02.000 And I think they're going to run it through the State Department, right?

01:18:04.000 Is that the idea?

01:18:05.000 Yeah, they're going to slim it down.

01:18:06.000 They've already started.

01:18:07.000 It'll be run through the State Department.

01:18:08.000 Great idea, right?

01:18:10.000 Take off that.

01:18:10.000 Don't pretend.

01:18:12.000 I mean, it's a U.S. government agency that people are going to assume.

01:18:18.000 Some people will assume the worst no matter what, right?

01:18:20.000 But yeah, fine.

01:18:22.000 Again, under the same theory that what you do is you go in and you say, we're going to go through every program.

01:18:27.000 We're going to keep the ones that are important.

01:18:30.000 And I would argue that's food aid, health aid, you know, whatever it may be.

01:18:35.000 And, you know, shit can all those others that aren't.

01:18:39.000 You know, being really helpful.

01:18:41.000 You mean like the $251 million on transgender animal studies?

01:18:46.000 Yeah, is that helpful or not?

01:18:48.000 Well, they have to figure out how to do those operations.

01:18:51.000 Yeah.

01:18:52.000 No, I think, yeah.

01:18:54.000 So is there a waste in there?

01:18:55.000 Of course there's waste.

01:18:56.000 And are there programs in there that were designed to...

01:18:59.000 So it's the baby with the bathwater?

01:19:00.000 Is that what it is?

01:19:01.000 Yeah, that's the point, is I think going in there and calling it all waste and fraud and a criminal organization, I think, is not the right messaging.

01:19:10.000 I think that the American public would be fully on board if you simply said, again, we're going...

01:19:15.000 We're going through.

01:19:16.000 We're going to find the waste.

01:19:17.000 We're going to focus on those programs that help people around the world legitimately.

01:19:23.000 But I think the problem is the people that are opposed to this administration are never going to see the good in anything that comes out, even if it does uncover undeniable fraud.

01:19:33.000 I think we're just so dug in now, especially the fog of war post-election, which seems real in this country.

01:19:42.000 Fog of hate on both sides, gloating on the right, and bitterness and anger and hyperbole as to the extent of what's happening on the left.

01:19:54.000 It's all a constitutional crisis and a destruction of democracy and a real dictator that's in place.

01:20:00.000 And all the things that they feared coming into this election now have come to light in their eyes.

01:20:07.000 No, again, yeah, and that is the messaging that's gone out.

01:20:10.000 You can see them coalesce around it.

01:20:12.000 You know, I think the first weeks after the election, there was confusion and, you know, sort of a – they were going through that grief cycle on the left.

01:20:21.000 But now I think you're seeing that they are, you know, coming together on that messaging.

01:20:24.000 I think now they're starting to get more focused.

01:20:26.000 They probably understand.

01:20:27.000 They'll probably take the House in two years.

01:20:31.000 So they're getting their shit together again.

01:20:35.000 I think that—and on the right side, I think you'd like to think that the gloating is a bit unnecessary, right?

01:20:42.000 You, one, focus on getting shit done now.

01:20:45.000 Not only is it not necessary, it's counterproductive.

01:20:46.000 It's counterproductive, yeah.

01:20:47.000 And it just fuels the other side.

01:20:50.000 It's stupid.

01:20:51.000 It's like this should be a uniting time for our country.

01:20:54.000 Well, again, and you would think that creating a more efficient government would be a uniting concept, right?

01:21:02.000 And I think it could be.

01:21:04.000 But I keep going back to that same thing.

01:21:06.000 I've never been particularly impressed with the messaging, and I get it.

01:21:09.000 When I say that, people always, you know, on the right come after me and go, oh, God, well, that's what makes MAGA MAGA, you know, that's what makes, you know, Trump, Trump is, you know, just, and I don't disagree with sort of, again, the benefits sometimes of being disruptive, but I do think that, you know, you can't just look at USAID and say it's all, it's a big old criminal organization, right?

01:21:29.000 You should be a little bit more, I mean, Kevin O'Leary, you mentioned him earlier.

01:21:34.000 For all that talk, I guarantee you if he had a large company, he wouldn't just shit-can everything right off the bat.

01:21:42.000 I know maybe that's his implication.

01:21:43.000 I think he's talking about failing companies.

01:21:46.000 Failing companies.

01:21:47.000 When you take over a failing company that's filled with bloat and waste, you cut more out.

01:21:52.000 Then even you think is necessary, and then you figure out what you need.

01:21:55.000 But he would go through—there would be a thoughtful initial review phase in a corporate environment.

01:22:00.000 I think I would argue that, that even he would do that.

01:22:03.000 He's not just going to pull the pin and throw it in the room and say, okay, now let's see what we actually need.

01:22:08.000 Well, isn't what this administration has done is putting a pause on everything?

01:22:11.000 And then they're— Doing an audit of things and then a review.

01:22:16.000 But that's not the way it comes across because in part because the media is not, like you said, they're not going to give them a break, right?

01:22:21.000 So even if they said that that's what we're doing and here's how we're doing it, here are the people on the transition team.

01:22:27.000 I mean, you know, who are the people on Elon's Doge team, right?

01:22:30.000 I mean, can you name half a dozen of them?

01:22:32.000 Big balls.

01:22:33.000 Big balls.

01:22:34.000 Okay.

01:22:34.000 All right, fair enough.

01:22:36.000 There's big balls.

01:22:36.000 There's the kid who deciphered those scrolls from Pompeii using AI. Yeah.

01:22:41.000 He's a genius.

01:22:42.000 I mean, it's very interesting because the approach is essentially, he's mimicking the approach that Elon used at Twitter.

01:22:49.000 Just you're saying, okay, I'm going to cut out 90% of this and see how it works.

01:22:55.000 Yeah.

01:22:55.000 I just think that, and again.

01:22:58.000 You know, you got to go after the waste, the fraud.

01:23:01.000 Is there bloat?

01:23:02.000 Of course there's bloat in the government.

01:23:04.000 Go after it.

01:23:04.000 So your perspective is that, of course there's waste, of course there's fraud, but if you don't understand international relations, if you don't understand this long tradition of supporting regimes that...

01:23:20.000 Have our interests in mind.

01:23:21.000 If we don't do that, someone else will.

01:23:24.000 They'll gain control of these areas.

01:23:26.000 This is just the reality of the world that we live in, and we should be influencing other countries.

01:23:31.000 Yeah, that's said a lot better than I could say it.

01:23:33.000 But yeah, that's what I'm saying on the international front, on the domestic front.

01:23:37.000 I'm just saying, you know, go through all these organizations, right?

01:23:44.000 But...

01:23:46.000 Don't give the other side the ammunition to say, you guys are firing useful people.

01:23:52.000 I hear this all the time now in the past few weeks.

01:23:54.000 It's like, oh my god, they let this entire group of people who are going working on women's health issues.

01:24:01.000 They're giving them ammunition that they don't need to by virtue of the way that they're going about it.

01:24:09.000 And again, go about it.

01:24:11.000 Do it.

01:24:12.000 So all I'm saying is it's the means of which they're doing it.

01:24:16.000 You can accomplish the same task.

01:24:18.000 And you can accomplish it quickly, right?

01:24:20.000 It's not like your review process...

01:24:22.000 How could you review USAID while this is all going on, while they're still able to spend money?

01:24:27.000 Because they're still able to...

01:24:28.000 If there is corruption, if they're still able to dump a bunch of money into a bunch of different projects and funnel stuff around and move stuff into these areas where it can't be traced, which is apparently where at least some of it goes.

01:24:40.000 Yeah.

01:24:41.000 I would want, look, if you're doing a corporate fraud investigation, you don't walk in and say, there's fraud everywhere here, right?

01:24:49.000 Where everybody's going.

01:24:50.000 No, you don't.

01:24:51.000 You go in and you do your investigation because you don't know what the iceberg looks like.

01:24:56.000 You don't know what's underneath the surface.

01:24:58.000 So you want to be able to go through it in a methodical way.

01:25:01.000 And, you know, if you walk into the World Bank and say, we think there's fraud here in this department over here.

01:25:07.000 And the World Bank, just as an aside, if they think there's fraud somewhere, they have to notify the people that they suspect of fraud that they're going to initiate a fraud investigation before they do it.

01:25:17.000 How fucked up is that?

01:25:18.000 Pretty crazy.

01:25:19.000 It's pretty crazy.

01:25:22.000 That gives them a little time.

01:25:23.000 It gives them a little time.

01:25:26.000 Again, I respect the fact that they're actually making the effort.

01:25:31.000 I think that's great.

01:25:33.000 I'm not sure that it's...

01:25:36.000 You know, there's an immovable object in Washington, D.C., made up of lobbyists, defense contractors, self-interested politicians, right?

01:25:47.000 They're all like this, right?

01:25:49.000 And Doge is obviously, you know, bumping up against them, particularly when they start now talking about Pentagon spending.

01:25:56.000 So I guess my point is...

01:25:58.000 It's complex.

01:26:00.000 I don't know that blowing it up and then saying we're going to rebuild it.

01:26:03.000 It's like when Kash Patel or anyone else, you know, for an organization, they talk about the FBI. Let's raise it to the ground and start over.

01:26:10.000 What?

01:26:11.000 You've got thousands and thousands of hardworking street agents out there doing very important work, right?

01:26:17.000 You can't just say, okay, you know, we're suspending 30% of them, right?

01:26:22.000 You've got to go through and say, okay, well, where is the problem here?

01:26:26.000 And is there enough time to do that?

01:26:28.000 This is the question.

01:26:30.000 Is this a more time-effective way of confronting the reality of what they're trying to accomplish, which is government efficiency, right?

01:26:39.000 It's the Department of Government Efficiency.

01:26:41.000 We don't believe that the government is efficient.

01:26:43.000 We do see that there's at least some waste and some fraud, but it's not being chased down.

01:26:48.000 They're going to chase it down.

01:26:50.000 Yeah, well, I think I would argue that, you know, they're going to find this is a years-long process anyway, no matter how much of a, you know, jump they get at the starting block, you know, but I think that...

01:27:01.000 Well, Mike Banks thinks it's going to take 50, 60 years.

01:27:03.000 Yeah, I think he's right, right?

01:27:06.000 I mean, well, okay, I don't think it's going to take that long.

01:27:08.000 I think if you're persistent about it, and I think your timeline is that you mentioned the midterms, that would be my focus.

01:27:15.000 I want to get it well done before the midterm elections, right?

01:27:19.000 Because I'd be concerned about losing the House.

01:27:21.000 So you've got that runway to work with, then go.

01:27:25.000 But don't feel like you've got to get it done in the first four weeks.

01:27:29.000 Right.

01:27:29.000 So there's a lot of messaging that you hear online that you've got to kind of decipher.

01:27:34.000 And one of them is the price of eggs, for whatever reason.

01:27:37.000 The price of eggs is a big one that gets bandied about.

01:27:40.000 People need to understand what the price of eggs is all about.

01:27:43.000 Well, one of the things is they killed a lot of chickens during the Biden administration because of this bird flu thing.

01:27:49.000 Right.

01:27:50.000 So they killed millions of chickens.

01:27:53.000 Because the fear is that these chickens are going to – it's going to hop over to people.

01:27:58.000 And right now I think it's only in geese and ducks.

01:28:02.000 Is that correct?

01:28:03.000 Did it move to cattle?

01:28:06.000 I think it has in some cases moved to cattle.

01:28:09.000 Yeah.

01:28:09.000 But the question is like what – What happens?

01:28:13.000 Is that treatable with antibiotics?

01:28:15.000 Is this overblown?

01:28:16.000 What is the actual reality of this pandemic, so to speak?

01:28:21.000 This is why egg prices are so high.

01:28:25.000 Unfortunately, it becomes a political talking point.

01:28:27.000 So it's hard to get to the bottom of it because you're just trying to use it to cast blame.

01:28:31.000 So they're trying to blame this administration on the price of eggs. 0.99

01:28:35.000 They're fucking up.

01:28:36.000 Regular people are going to starve.

01:28:38.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:28:39.000 Look, he's been in office for 23 days.

01:28:41.000 Egg prices haven't come down.

01:28:43.000 You guys were lied to.

01:28:44.000 Well, guess what?

01:28:45.000 It takes a long time for a chicken to be able to grow from a chick to an egg laying.

01:28:49.000 It takes months.

01:28:50.000 Yeah.

01:28:51.000 Yeah.

01:28:52.000 So you're not going to get any discount in eggs anytime soon if they killed millions of chickens, which they definitely did.

01:28:57.000 Oh, no.

01:28:58.000 Remember the old mad cow disease years and years ago.

01:29:02.000 Sure.

01:29:03.000 England had a big problem with that.

01:29:04.000 Yeah.

01:29:04.000 Beef prices.

01:29:05.000 I had a buddy of mine who went to England and was living over there during the mad cow crisis. 0.98

01:29:11.000 And to this day, he can't give blood.

01:29:14.000 Wow.

01:29:14.000 It's a prion disease.

01:29:16.000 Okay.

01:29:16.000 The idea is that if he does have it, what is it called?

01:29:19.000 Jakob's Cruxfeld disease?

01:29:21.000 I always fuck that up.

01:29:22.000 But what that disease, that prion disease is, is from...

01:29:27.000 Cattle eating cattle brain tissue, which is so crazy.

01:29:31.000 Or sheep's brains.

01:29:32.000 Yeah.

01:29:32.000 Somebody at some point thought, you know, what we could do with all these sheep parts is we could feed them to the cows.

01:29:39.000 Jesus Christ.

01:29:40.000 Yeah, I know.

01:29:40.000 Grind them all up, and then the cows eat them and get the prion disease, and then they're fucked.

01:29:44.000 Yeah.

01:29:44.000 The same thing, which, by the way, happens to cannibals.

01:29:47.000 It's the same thing with Papua New Guinea, and the cannibals get that same sort of problem where the neurological, their body breaks down. 0.99

01:29:57.000 Good God.

01:29:58.000 Yeah, good God.

01:29:59.000 Yeah.

01:29:59.000 Did you ever hear the story about Rockefeller's kid?

01:30:02.000 Was it a nephew?

01:30:04.000 Was it a nephew that got killed and eaten by the...

01:30:06.000 Yeah, he went over there to live amongst them, I think.

01:30:09.000 Well, he went twice.

01:30:10.000 And apparently the first time he went, he insulted them by trying to acquire one of their sacred things.

01:30:16.000 And the second time he went back, they decided to eat him.

01:30:21.000 And they didn't find out about it for a long time.

01:30:24.000 I think he went missing in the 60s.

01:30:26.000 Yeah.

01:30:26.000 We covered it, Jamie.

01:30:27.000 Do you remember what year it was?

01:30:30.000 I think he went missing in the 60s.

01:30:31.000 I remember that story.

01:30:32.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:30:33.000 And there was debate over whether he was actually killed and eaten by the cannibals or not.

01:30:37.000 Yeah, now they're pretty sure he was.

01:30:39.000 Yeah.

01:30:39.000 And at least that's what they're saying.

01:30:41.000 Who goes back a second time?

01:30:42.000 You piss him off once and you get away.

01:30:43.000 I don't think he thought he pissed him off.

01:30:44.000 Oh, okay.

01:30:44.000 I think he felt like, you know, they just couldn't come to an agreement on whether or not he could take home whatever.

01:30:49.000 Sacred object he was trying to get from them.

01:30:51.000 I forget what it was, but it was something that they would never sell or trade and he was insisting on it and they're like, oh, fuck this guy.

01:30:59.000 And then I think they had some time to stew on it while he was gone.

01:31:02.000 And then when he came back, like, this dumb motherfucker's back.

01:31:06.000 Can you imagine how surprised they were when he showed up again?

01:31:08.000 Oh, boy.

01:31:09.000 We're gonna eat him.

01:31:10.000 Yeah, they're probably thinking, if he comes back, I'm gonna fucking eat him.

01:31:13.000 I get the haunch.

01:31:15.000 Yeah.

01:31:15.000 Well, again, this is, you know, rich liberals.

01:31:18.000 That's what he was.

01:31:20.000 He was a rich liberal who wanted to fix the world and travel around and went to a world that he didn't understand.

01:31:26.000 Like, literally didn't understand.

01:31:28.000 Didn't understand what they were saying.

01:31:29.000 Didn't understand the culture.

01:31:31.000 It was fairly...

01:31:34.000 Yeah, I'm here to help you in my own way.

01:31:37.000 I'm going to bring enlightenment to you.

01:31:39.000 Yeah, and also, what a great story when you get back to the university.

01:31:43.000 Guess what I did?

01:31:44.000 I went to Papua New Guinea.

01:31:45.000 He's so interesting.

01:31:46.000 You've got to wonder about his family.

01:31:48.000 He said, yeah, sure, you should go back to Papua New Guinea.

01:31:50.000 Can you pull up a story where you can see this cat?

01:31:52.000 There's photos of this cat with the people.

01:31:55.000 Yeah, I remember this.

01:31:57.000 Yeah.

01:32:00.000 There we go.

01:32:00.000 So, 62. Hold on.

01:32:03.000 Go back up.

01:32:03.000 It says, the first public report that Rockefeller was killed and dismembered.

01:32:07.000 Scroll up.

01:32:08.000 And his long bones turned into weapons and fishing equipment.

01:32:13.000 Yo! 1.00

01:32:13.000 Wow. 1.00

01:32:14.000 It was published by the Associated Press in March of 1962, a second investigation later that year by a patrolman named Wim van der Waal on behalf of Dutch colonial government, came to the same conclusion.

01:32:26.000 Van der Waal was given a skull bearing no lower jaw and a hole in the right temple, the hallmarks of the remains that had been headhunted and opened to consume the brains, which he turned over to Dutch authorities who never asked him to write a written report and never asked him to verbally report his conclusion.

01:32:43.000 The information was apparently deemed politically sensitive in part because the fragile state of the Dutch Empire in the Indonesian archipelago and in part because of Nelson Rockefeller's political celebrity in the United States.

01:32:56.000 The findings of van der Waal's investigation are restated in the written memoir of Anton van der Waal, a successor missionary to van Kessel.

01:33:09.000 The famous Van Kessel.

01:33:10.000 Is he famous?

01:33:11.000 No, I just added that because I thought he deserved it.

01:33:14.000 Wow.

01:33:15.000 See if you can find photos of that dude.

01:33:17.000 That's crazy.

01:33:18.000 Because there's photos of him hanging out with the people that ate him.

01:33:24.000 I love that.

01:33:25.000 Go out and investigate.

01:33:26.000 Ooh, this isn't the conclusion we wanted.

01:33:28.000 Don't bother giving us a report.

01:33:31.000 Keep that to yourself.

01:33:33.000 There he is.

01:33:33.000 Yeah, I remember this guy with the glasses.

01:33:35.000 There he is.

01:33:35.000 Go to that one right there.

01:33:37.000 No, the third one.

01:33:39.000 Yeah, that one.

01:33:40.000 Look at that.

01:33:40.000 He's like, I'm going to eat you.

01:33:42.000 Those classic 60s glasses, right?

01:33:44.000 And look at the smile on his face when he's looking at that dude.

01:33:47.000 Oh, I know.

01:33:47.000 Oh, look at them all.

01:33:48.000 Look at the guy behind the front guy.

01:33:51.000 He's looking and he's going, yeah.

01:33:52.000 And eventually they ate him.

01:33:54.000 Crazy.

01:33:55.000 He looks such a nerd.

01:33:57.000 Yeah.

01:33:57.000 What a moron.

01:33:58.000 Well, back in the day, he thought he was being...

01:34:00.000 Look at him.

01:34:01.000 Soy boy.

01:34:01.000 Even back then.

01:34:02.000 Yeah.

01:34:03.000 Yeah.

01:34:03.000 Oh, I'm having such a wonderful time with all of you people.

01:34:07.000 Yeah.

01:34:08.000 Yeah, they're going to eat you, bro.

01:34:09.000 That is the we're about to cook you dance right there. 1.00

01:34:12.000 Yeah, you're fucking around in a place you don't understand, and you don't understand that they have a long history of that.

01:34:18.000 You think about his family.

01:34:18.000 Wouldn't his family have said, look, I've got to tell you.

01:34:21.000 Oh, God.

01:34:23.000 What is that?

01:34:24.000 I don't know.

01:34:24.000 I was just looking around.

01:34:25.000 Is that supposed to be him?

01:34:26.000 I don't know.

01:34:27.000 Oh, God.

01:34:28.000 Click on that.

01:34:29.000 It could be anything.

01:34:30.000 Yeah.

01:34:31.000 What is that image of?

01:34:32.000 Does it say?

01:34:34.000 Michael, that is him?

01:34:35.000 No, no, no, no.

01:34:35.000 It says Michael Rockefeller.

01:34:37.000 That's probably a picture that he took.

01:34:40.000 Oh.

01:34:41.000 Yeah, it could be that.

01:34:41.000 Even more fucked up.

01:34:43.000 Like, he already knew they were doing that?

01:34:44.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:34:45.000 Jesus, bro.

01:34:46.000 I'm sure this wouldn't be me.

01:34:47.000 Someone brings out that.

01:34:50.000 Like, hey, check this out.

01:34:51.000 We did that to this guy.

01:34:53.000 Yeah.

01:34:54.000 Like, look at that fucking skeleton.

01:34:57.000 That is so creepy.

01:34:58.000 I gotta tell you, they look well-fed.

01:34:59.000 I would worry about that, too.

01:35:01.000 Yeah, that one guy on the right, he's got a big ol' belly.

01:35:03.000 He's just been eating people.

01:35:07.000 Well, a lot of them, they get bloated because of parasites, too.

01:35:10.000 Sure, that's true.

01:35:10.000 Yeah, tapeworms.

01:35:11.000 30-foot tapeworm.

01:35:12.000 Oh, God.

01:35:15.000 Well, there you go.

01:35:16.000 Click on that one where the guys are holding the arrow, right below that.

01:35:19.000 Right below your cursor.

01:35:21.000 Yeah.

01:35:21.000 Look, how fucking terrifying is that?

01:35:25.000 Geez.

01:35:25.000 Imagine that guy.

01:35:26.000 You show him on the beach and that guy's there.

01:35:28.000 You're like, oh, fuck.

01:35:29.000 You think they do like a movie, they give you a 10-second head start into the jungle?

01:35:32.000 Nope.

01:35:33.000 And then track you down?

01:35:34.000 I mean, honestly...

01:35:35.000 When Nez Perce used to do that. 0.98

01:35:36.000 If I was in the tribe, I would do that, right?

01:35:38.000 Why wouldn't you?

01:35:38.000 I mean, it's entertaining.

01:35:40.000 Yeah, there's a famous story of a guy where they killed his friend, chopped him up, threw his guts on him, and then they gave him, I think, a 30-second head start, and he escaped.

01:35:49.000 He did.

01:35:49.000 He hid in a beaver den.

01:35:51.000 Nice.

01:35:51.000 Yeah, I think this was in Mono.

01:35:52.000 That's smart.

01:35:53.000 I think this is in Montana.

01:35:55.000 A couple years ago?

01:35:57.000 When was this?

01:35:58.000 1800s.

01:35:59.000 Oh, okay.

01:36:00.000 I believe it was the Nez Perce, and I think he hid in a beaver den and made his way naked all the way back to the fort. 0.91

01:36:08.000 I think it was like a couple hundred miles, too.

01:36:11.000 Yeah, people were tougher back then, I would argue.

01:36:14.000 They had to be.

01:36:15.000 They had to be.

01:36:15.000 Yeah.

01:36:16.000 Wow.

01:36:17.000 What?

01:36:18.000 Here's the story on what happened to him.

01:36:19.000 Michael reportedly told his companions, I think I can make it, and jumped into the water.

01:36:24.000 That was the last time they saw him.

01:36:25.000 Oh, this is when he swam to the shore.

01:36:28.000 1961, Michael Rockefeller was traveling to this dangerous area of dense rainforest, mangrove swamps, and crocodile-infested mudflats known as the Land of the Lapping Death when a small catamaran capsized in rough seas.

01:36:38.000 This is the...

01:36:40.000 Oh, so Michael Rockefeller, a strong swimmer, immediately jumped in the sea and began to swim to shore.

01:36:44.000 But this is the second time, right?

01:36:46.000 This is when they killed him.

01:36:47.000 It says they don't know.

01:36:49.000 No one saw him after he jumped in the water.

01:36:50.000 So they don't know what happened.

01:36:53.000 Here's an interesting thought.

01:36:54.000 If you're offshore from whatever, the Lapping Island of Death, and your catamarans capsizes, and so it's still there, right?

01:37:03.000 It's still floating.

01:37:04.000 And you've got your shipmates, and they're there.

01:37:06.000 And your decision, the way that you process this, is to swim to the Lapping Island of Death.

01:37:13.000 That doesn't show a lot of thought there.

01:37:15.000 Well, he thought he could make it, and he's already visited them before.

01:37:18.000 There was another article that I had read, Jamie, that actually recounted the moment he was killed, that they picked him up in a canoe and speared him in the canoe.

01:37:27.000 That's what I was reading through the Wikipedia.

01:37:29.000 There's been multiple times, starting with seven years later, to try to investigate what happened, and I don't know how you would really go about doing that.

01:37:38.000 Yeah, the most recent article was like there was some recent revelation, Some information that was given to them by the tribespeople about what happened.

01:37:46.000 The first one said that they sent a guy down there, a private investigator, who came back with three skulls, and they said one of them was the skull.

01:37:51.000 So I don't know how they would prove that.

01:37:54.000 Well, DNA. You know what's going to solve this problem is going to be the newly formed U.S. government agency for the declassification of documents.

01:38:07.000 That's going to solve this problem.

01:38:09.000 Federal Secrets.

01:38:10.000 Which one's that?

01:38:10.000 Federal Secrets.

01:38:11.000 Is that the JFK UFO one?

01:38:13.000 Yep.

01:38:14.000 Epstein files.

01:38:15.000 Are that hot ladies running it? 1.00

01:38:17.000 Anna...

01:38:18.000 And Polina Cruz.

01:38:19.000 Why is she running it? 1.00

01:38:21.000 Because she's hot. 1.00

01:38:22.000 I don't know.

01:38:23.000 I think maybe they should just release the documents.

01:38:26.000 Like, if you're going to release the documents, release the documents to the people on the internet.

01:38:29.000 They'll figure it out.

01:38:30.000 They don't need you.

01:38:31.000 I know.

01:38:32.000 They've got this new committee, and COVID is also on the table.

01:38:38.000 UFOs, now Michael Rockefeller, I would argue.

01:38:41.000 See, the UFOs, I'm hoping that's where the $4.7 trillion went.

01:38:45.000 Yeah.

01:38:46.000 Wouldn't that be good, though?

01:38:47.000 I'm hoping that's what it is.

01:38:48.000 It's all these government crashed retrieval programs and re-engineering and back-engineering.

01:38:54.000 That's what I'm hoping.

01:38:55.000 Developing our own technology that we've kept secret.

01:38:58.000 I think that's what a lot of it is.

01:38:59.000 I could absolutely be wrong, but I think that's what a lot of it is.

01:39:03.000 I think we have some super sophisticated propulsion systems that are way ahead of our time.

01:39:08.000 And then also, I think we're being visited.

01:39:10.000 I think there's a bunch of different things happening simultaneously.

01:39:13.000 4.7 trillion.

01:39:15.000 Okay, when you think about that, it sounds like a lot.

01:39:17.000 But in terms of government spending, we could blow through that pretty quick.

01:39:23.000 So I'm thinking, you know, yes, I do...

01:39:25.000 Well, it's over how long, though?

01:39:27.000 How long is the 4.7 trillion?

01:39:28.000 When they say 4.7 trillion, they don't give you a timeline.

01:39:31.000 It's like that was the thing about Politico, right?

01:39:34.000 Like there was this talk about, we gave Politico $8 million.

01:39:37.000 Well, sort of.

01:39:38.000 What the real story was, there's a subscription model for...

01:39:42.000 for Politico where you get news like instantaneously and it costs like 10,000 bucks and there was a bunch of those subscriptions that were in many different agencies.

01:39:53.000 Right, right.

01:39:54.000 And this is over the course of eight years.

01:39:57.000 Like that $8 million was from like 2016 to today.

01:40:00.000 Right.

01:40:01.000 So, I mean, so say that, right?

01:40:03.000 You know, roll that out rather than saying, you know, they've been funding, you know, because in a short burst, it sounds much worse, right? - It's still, you still can argue, is this really necessary?

01:40:13.000 Do you need to be doing this well?

01:40:14.000 I don't know.

01:40:14.000 Well, if you want information instantaneously, which would be very beneficial to someone in government, yeah.

01:40:19.000 Yeah, you're paying for a database for information that's going to hopefully inform better decision-making.

01:40:24.000 The problem is the way you say it.

01:40:26.000 If you say, we gave Politico $8 million, oh, those motherfuckers, that's why they're biased. 0.60

01:40:32.000 And then you realize, oh, that's not exactly what happened.

01:40:36.000 So I think the people that are doing this have to make sure that they're not hyperbolic.

01:40:42.000 Well, I'm sure.

01:40:42.000 Yes, exactly.

01:40:44.000 And that goes back to this whole thing that I've probably beat to a death is the messaging idea.

01:40:49.000 But I think this is important, too, because today now they're talking about Social Security.

01:40:54.000 Yeah.

01:40:54.000 And that people are receiving Social Security that are 150 years old.

01:41:00.000 But I don't think that is the reality as it's being explained by people who understand COBOL. The language and this computer programming language they use is ancient, right?

01:41:13.000 Which is kind of crazy that they're still using that, right?

01:41:16.000 It's the government.

01:41:16.000 Right.

01:41:17.000 So some guy who understands it was explaining that if certain factors aren't taken into consideration or certain things aren't entered in...

01:41:28.000 You know, like, date of birth or when.

01:41:31.000 There's certain things.

01:41:32.000 Or date of death.

01:41:33.000 Right.

01:41:34.000 But it doesn't even necessarily mean that all these people are receiving checks.

01:41:38.000 Right.

01:41:39.000 They're just listed on the files.

01:41:41.000 Right.

01:41:41.000 And it doesn't mean money's going out to them.

01:41:43.000 And so, yeah, again, from a messaging perspective, you know, does Elon need to, like, you know, screenshot that and then send it out as a tweet or whatever we call X nowadays.

01:41:51.000 And then suddenly you've got, you know, a couple million people going, oh, my God, we're paying dead people.

01:41:56.000 Right, right, right.

01:41:57.000 That's the problem with being hyperbolic.

01:42:00.000 I'm going to send this to you, Jamie, because I would confuse myself.

01:42:03.000 And so I was like, what exactly are they saying?

01:42:06.000 Because it seems like the people that understand that programming language are the ones that aren't jumping on board and saying, hey, this is what's happening.

01:42:14.000 Vampires exist amongst us.

01:42:15.000 There's 300-year-old people getting Social Security.

01:42:18.000 That's not what they're saying.

01:42:19.000 The people that actually understand it are saying that's not really...

01:42:23.000 The case.

01:42:23.000 Although, how cool would that be if vampires existed among us and we found out the 300-year-old people were making benefits?

01:42:29.000 That would be crazy.

01:42:30.000 Like, how crazy.

01:42:31.000 So I'll send you this, Jamie.

01:42:34.000 This is this guy's explanation of it.

01:42:37.000 But that 4.7, I'm sure we're going to find the trillion.

01:42:40.000 Of course, some of that money goes out.

01:42:42.000 And I think if you follow money in the government, it's always more effective and interesting than anything else, right?

01:42:47.000 You always get to the bottom of things by following budgets, you know, depending on how it's hidden, right?

01:42:53.000 And so a lot of that money is going to be, you know, perhaps it's in black budgets for, who knows, for defense.

01:43:01.000 It's worth digging into because it's always fascinating.

01:43:04.000 So in that, this is a guy that explains it.

01:43:07.000 I'll read this.

01:43:08.000 I hope he's correct.

01:43:09.000 There's a gentleman named House of Carter on X. He said...

01:43:14.000 This isn't a vampire conspiracy.

01:43:16.000 It's just COBOL, C-O-B-O-L. Legacy government systems, especially Social Security, still rely on COBOL, a language designed before anyone thought databases would need to track people beyond 99 years old.

01:43:29.000 The numbers you're laughing at aren't literal ages.

01:43:32.000 They're most likely misinterpreted categorical codes or data artifacts from outdated formatting.

01:43:40.000 Social Security isn't paying 150-year-olds.

01:43:44.000 The system uses fixed-width fields, and when modern databases misread them, they mistakenly interpret grouping codes as real ages.

01:43:53.000 This happens when old mainframe logic isn't properly translated into newer systems.

01:43:58.000 So no, there aren't thousands of people, over 150, getting checks, but there are a lot of outdated systems that need modernization.

01:44:07.000 Maybe focus on fixing that issue instead of hyping up a non-issue.

01:44:11.000 So, there's multiple people that have said the same kind of thing.

01:44:17.000 This guy says, I'm an old...

01:44:19.000 Programmer, coder in today's parlance.

01:44:22.000 As many old programmers know COBOL, young coders don't.

01:44:26.000 When Musk claims that Social Security is paying thousands of 150-year-olds, I think someone should let him know that COBOL, in COBOL, if a data is missing, if a data is missing, the program defaults to 1875. Example, 2025, 1875 equals 150. So for some reason, if data is missing, the program defaults to this ancient date, and it's just a problem with data.

01:44:56.000 Yeah.

01:44:56.000 Which makes more sense than 150-year-olds.

01:44:58.000 Exactly.

01:44:59.000 But again, so fine.

01:45:01.000 Dig into it, find out, and you know what?

01:45:03.000 The end result is you don't have 150-year-old people getting benefits.

01:45:07.000 But the end result is that you modernize the way that we store information, right?

01:45:12.000 Then great.

01:45:13.000 There's a benefit to Doge right there, right?

01:45:15.000 Yes.

01:45:16.000 We've created a more efficient system for tracking and paying out and good.

01:45:21.000 So, you know, everybody, again, everybody should not have a hard-on about an organization called the Department of Government Efficiency.

01:45:29.000 Right.

01:45:30.000 You know, and I think, ultimately, I think they're going to do a very good job.

01:45:33.000 I just think, let's...

01:45:34.000 So this is something to think about with Social Security, though.

01:45:37.000 So there's that, which is probably a misinterpretation of data.

01:45:41.000 Right.

01:45:41.000 But this other one that I just sent Jamie, so there's this woman who's a whistleblower, and she's saying they were incentivized to qualify illegals for long-term disability, to qualify illegals for Social Security for life.

01:45:53.000 So they were set for life.

01:45:55.000 And in quotes, she says, they wanted us to try to identify them in such...

01:46:02.000 Now, long-term Social Security disability is for life.

01:46:05.000 So if they got identified and qualify for long-term Social Security disability, they're as good as set up for life.

01:46:13.000 That doesn't sound like a refugee to me, she's saying, just being honest.

01:46:17.000 It sounds like someone who's planning on staying here.

01:46:19.000 So they're instructed to try to identify, to try to get the client because once they arrive here, now they're called clients.

01:46:26.000 So they told us that we needed to talk to the client and ask them if they had any headaches, reoccurring headaches, or any lower back problems.

01:46:35.000 Anything that would qualify them for Social Security long-term disability, which is crazy.

01:46:42.000 Yeah.

01:46:42.000 Yeah, and then, but again, trackable information, you would think, right?

01:46:48.000 So you can go in, if you're serious and persistent about it, you should be able to go in and identify, yes, we have the following.

01:46:55.000 Let's listen to this lady talk about this. 1.00

01:46:56.000 So this is something that, you know, when people are talking about the problems of Social Security, this seems, if she's telling the truth, this seems real.

01:47:05.000 Just being honest, that sounds like somebody who's planning on staying here.

01:47:08.000 A refugee stays until the problem's over and then goes home. 1.00

01:47:12.000 That's right.

01:47:13.000 And so they instructed us to try to identify, to try to get the client, because once they arrive here, they're now called clients.

01:47:23.000 They're now called clients.

01:47:25.000 Okay.

01:47:26.000 Because clients pay.

01:47:28.000 Sure, sure.

01:47:29.000 I'm starting to see where this is leading here.

01:47:31.000 So they told us that we needed to talk to the client and ask them if they had any Headaches, recurring headaches, or any lower back problems.

01:47:43.000 Excuse me.

01:47:44.000 Anything that would qualify them for Social Security long-term disability.

01:47:48.000 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

01:47:50.000 So let me get this straight.

01:47:51.000 Part of the screening is supposed to be, are you sick, maimed, injured, whatever?

01:47:56.000 Right.

01:47:57.000 No.

01:47:58.000 Okay, good.

01:47:58.000 You can come in.

01:47:59.000 Yeah.

01:47:59.000 You get on the airplane.

01:48:01.000 Are you sick, maimed, injured, whatever?

01:48:03.000 Yes.

01:48:04.000 Good.

01:48:04.000 So we can give you disability.

01:48:05.000 Correct.

01:48:06.000 What?

01:48:06.000 Yes.

01:48:07.000 This is insanity.

01:48:09.000 Yes, it is insanity.

01:48:10.000 But in order to get Social Security disability benefits, don't you need a Social Security number?

01:48:16.000 Well, we were instructed in the meeting that one of the first things we were supposed to do was sign them up for Social Security.

01:48:25.000 Wait, this is unbelievable.

01:48:29.000 So they come over here and they get a Social Security number?

01:48:31.000 Right.

01:48:32.000 They become legal?

01:48:33.000 Correct.

01:48:35.000 Are you pulling my leg?

01:48:37.000 No, I'm not.

01:48:38.000 And then after we processed them for a Social Security card, then we were to process them for a U.S. passport.

01:48:46.000 No, you're not.

01:48:49.000 Yeah, I think, again, fascinating if it's true.

01:48:52.000 It's outrageous.

01:48:53.000 Fascinating if it's true.

01:48:54.000 If it's true, but you need corroboration on something like that.

01:48:57.000 Where is that lady? 1.00

01:48:58.000 Yeah.

01:48:59.000 That's odd.

01:49:02.000 She's Russian disinformation. 0.78

01:49:04.000 They show who they are, what they did.

01:49:06.000 I don't even know where that came from.

01:49:07.000 See if you can find that out.

01:49:09.000 I mean, that's just due diligence, right?

01:49:12.000 So I think that's great.

01:49:14.000 And the obligation then is to say, okay, well, who is she?

01:49:16.000 Why does she have this knowledge? 1.00

01:49:18.000 Is she credible?

01:49:19.000 Can you corroborate it with other sources?

01:49:20.000 And if you can, then yeah, you've got a serious problem.

01:49:23.000 At that moment where she said, you know, get them a U.S. passport, that's where I started.

01:49:29.000 That little flag went off and I thought, hold on a second.

01:49:32.000 Wait, wait, wait.

01:49:33.000 Let's dig into this and actually see.

01:49:34.000 Is that possible?

01:49:35.000 That video's from 2017. 2017?

01:49:37.000 Wow.

01:49:38.000 It's a radio show.

01:49:40.000 A Missouri woman is interviewed by radio show Josh Tolley.

01:49:44.000 Wow, that's 2017. That's crazy.

01:49:47.000 God.

01:49:48.000 But what would be the benefit of that?

01:49:50.000 The benefit of that would be you get a voter for life.

01:49:54.000 If you are in whatever party, whether it's the Republican Party or whoever it is that allows this to happen and hooks these people up and sets them up, you would think that those people are going to vote that way for life because those are the people that gave them American citizenship essentially, gave them Social Security for life.

01:50:13.000 All you have to do is tell them, look, you get this check for life.

01:50:16.000 All you have to do...

01:50:17.000 Just keep voting.

01:50:18.000 And you know how to vote.

01:50:19.000 You know the right way to go, right?

01:50:21.000 I mean, don't vote with your fucking conscience.

01:50:24.000 I want you to vote with, you know...

01:50:27.000 And we'll regularly remind you who to vote for.

01:50:30.000 Yeah, we'll tell you.

01:50:31.000 We'll send you newsletters.

01:50:32.000 Yeah, I mean, that would be...

01:50:34.000 And that is the theory, the narrative that says that's why the last four years we had essentially an open border policy was to bring in 10, 11, 12 million new voters, right?

01:50:43.000 I mean, that's the way that that story unfolds.

01:50:46.000 That's one version of it?

01:50:47.000 That's one version, yeah.

01:50:48.000 The other version is cheap labor, right?

01:50:50.000 Cheap labor.

01:50:51.000 Also, just sort of the, you know, then there's the soft, well, it's, you know, it's the way the world should work.

01:50:57.000 You know, we need an open borders world.

01:51:00.000 Yeah, I'm not buying that version.

01:51:01.000 Yeah, I don't think that's...

01:51:02.000 That version's horseshit.

01:51:03.000 Most people don't follow along the lines of, I'm doing things for ideology.

01:51:06.000 Most people have other, more base motives.

01:51:08.000 My take is, if you've got a place that's awesome, and you've got a system that's awesome, expand awesomeness.

01:51:14.000 Don't bring in people that aren't awesome.

01:51:16.000 And don't bring in people from places that aren't awesome.

01:51:18.000 So the problem is, if you bring people in that are criminals and have a lifelong history of selling drugs and being involved in the cartel, they're not going to come over here, you know what, I need to join the union and be a pipefitter.

01:51:30.000 They're going to fucking continue to do what they've done their whole goddamn life.

01:51:35.000 So, like, the problem is not...

01:51:37.000 The problem is, where you're from sucks. 0.75

01:51:40.000 So I think the best way, I mean, and I'm not saying we should take over all these countries and run them, but the best way is to get...

01:51:47.000 Now you're talking!

01:51:47.000 That's probably the only way that it would really work.

01:51:49.000 But the way to do it is to somehow or another encourage those countries to become more like the United States.

01:51:57.000 Well, yes, and then you would do that through soft power and, you know, organizations that could influence hearts and minds.

01:52:05.000 So I'm trying to look at this from a bunch of different perspectives, right?

01:52:09.000 This is a very complicated situation.

01:52:11.000 It's not as simple as, you know, we need to stay out of the way of other countries' businesses. 1.00

01:52:18.000 Right, right.

01:52:18.000 No, it's not.

01:52:19.000 No.

01:52:20.000 Again, and that comes back around to it'd be lovely.

01:52:23.000 If we're all working on the same team, that's not how I don't think human nature is.

01:52:31.000 Well, that's not the state of the world, right?

01:52:32.000 It's not the state of the world.

01:52:33.000 And the last four years, and I would argue during the Obama administration, they oftentimes, from a national security perspective, seem to run it based on how they hoped the world would be, right?

01:52:46.000 As opposed to how the world actually is, right?

01:52:49.000 And so...

01:52:50.000 You know, like them or hate them, you know, again, the current administration tends to, you know, I think, look at things in a more pragmatic way.

01:52:58.000 Do you think they'll be able to do that with USAID? Do you think they'll be able to convince some of these other people that are all these USA first people that don't think we should be spending any money overseas that maybe some of this money is well spent for our best interest?

01:53:13.000 Yeah.

01:53:16.000 That's a good question.

01:53:18.000 It's a complicated question, right?

01:53:18.000 Because it's like, what is?

01:53:20.000 And are you even allowed to say what you're actually doing then?

01:53:23.000 Because how do we discern whether or not...

01:53:24.000 How are you going to tell people that $20 million for Iraqi Sesame Street is actually a really good idea?

01:53:29.000 And here's why.

01:53:31.000 But how are you going to tell them that buying and owning Gaza is a good idea? 1.00

01:53:35.000 I really don't think he's going to do that.

01:53:37.000 I think that's one of those things.

01:53:39.000 Turning candidates in the 51st state.

01:53:42.000 But to the people on that side of the fence who say, no money spent overseas.

01:53:48.000 How are you going to justify that?

01:53:50.000 Yeah, what are they going to do?

01:53:50.000 Look at that and go, well, that's a fucked up idea.

01:53:53.000 But it's still President Trump, so yay, we've got to support it.

01:53:58.000 I don't know.

01:53:59.000 Do they discern?

01:54:00.000 Or do people on the base, do they just say, yeah, everything that comes out of the White House is a great idea?

01:54:05.000 Because that certainly runs counter to the idea that we don't want to spend money overseas.

01:54:09.000 What are you going to do?

01:54:09.000 Substitute Ukraine now?

01:54:10.000 Because we don't want to spend money in Ukraine.

01:54:12.000 You've got to substitute it for Gaza? 0.86

01:54:14.000 Right.

01:54:14.000 Again, that's...

01:54:15.000 Is the idea that we would protect American interests better if we were in control of that?

01:54:20.000 And so, like, if Israel did something, if someone did something, we'd be able to respond in minutes versus in days. 0.76

01:54:26.000 Well, that goes against the...

01:54:27.000 The idea that we don't want to be involved in foreign wars, right?

01:54:30.000 I mean, if President Trump doesn't want to be involved in foreign incursions and wars, he's picked a hell of a spot to not be involved.

01:54:36.000 You're going to drop yourselves in Gaza?

01:54:38.000 No, he's going to fix it.

01:54:38.000 He's going to fix it.

01:54:39.000 Well, I know.

01:54:39.000 He's going to make it nice.

01:54:40.000 Yeah.

01:54:41.000 Big old Trump hotel.

01:54:42.000 Yeah.

01:54:42.000 So, I mean, but again, hey, look, I think it's great in the sense that I never thought I'd see the day where some of these Arab states would turn around and say Hamas has got to go.

01:54:51.000 I mentioned it before, but that's a sea change.

01:54:54.000 That's a...

01:54:54.000 Big goddamn sea change.

01:54:56.000 And it's kind of like with Ukraine right now, right?

01:54:59.000 He comes out and he says, you know, okay, we're going to start these.

01:55:02.000 They finished already.

01:55:04.000 Earlier today, they finished conversations in Riyadh, in Saudi Arabia, between Sergey Lavrov and Marco Rubio and Steve Witkoff on the U.S. side to start the discussions about peace in the conflict, right?

01:55:17.000 Without Ukrainian representation or the Europeans there. 1.00

01:55:22.000 NATO wasn't represented either, right?

01:55:24.000 How do they have those kind of conversations if they don't have Ukrainian representation?

01:55:29.000 A lot of people asking that question.

01:55:31.000 Yeah.

01:55:31.000 But now that they've done it, right, again, under this idea that, yeah, you can't, you have to bring them in, but the fact that you just jumped into the breach and got started, right?

01:55:42.000 I mean, you think about it.

01:55:43.000 In the previous administration or in a normal administration, I'd argue, getting to the table where you'd sit down and talk, look, this is the first time we've...

01:55:52.000 Talked to the Russians really in a serious way since the invasion back in 2022. So the fact that most administrations would have taken a year just to map out, okay, well, this is what the talks are going to look like.

01:56:04.000 And this is what the conference table will look like.

01:56:07.000 And this is where people are going to sit.

01:56:08.000 And this is what we're going to be able to say.

01:56:10.000 And it would take months and months and months to get that.

01:56:12.000 These guys just said, eh, fuck it.

01:56:14.000 Let's go over.

01:56:14.000 We're going to sit down.

01:56:15.000 We're going to talk with them.

01:56:15.000 Now that's forced.

01:56:17.000 Right?

01:56:18.000 That's forced the Europeans to say, okay, how do we get involved?

01:56:22.000 We got to be relevant.

01:56:23.000 And they do, right?

01:56:24.000 But the European nations and European institutions have allocated more money to Ukraine than the U.S. has.

01:56:31.000 I mean, they're up to, depending on numbers you look at, they're up to maybe $130 billion allocated in financial.

01:56:38.000 How much have we allocated?

01:56:40.000 Probably about $119, $120 billion.

01:56:42.000 I thought it was way more than that.

01:56:43.000 I thought it was $100 billion where Zelensky said he hasn't received it.

01:56:48.000 No.

01:56:48.000 Well, when I say allocated, not all of it's been dispersed, right?

01:56:51.000 Right.

01:56:51.000 So now the U.S. is the leading military provider of military hardware gear.

01:56:57.000 But if you combine humanitarian, financial, and military all together...

01:57:00.000 EU institutions and EU countries have actually allocated more than the US has.

01:57:05.000 And that, you know, logic would say, buys them a seat at the table for any peace talks, aside from the fact that they're sitting right there, you know, close to Russia.

01:57:15.000 They've taken in a vast number of Ukrainian refugees.

01:57:19.000 You've got Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania sitting right there on the border with Russia.

01:57:24.000 They've got a real reason to want to be involved.

01:57:26.000 But, again...

01:57:28.000 Trump's saying, let's just start the conversation with Russia.

01:57:31.000 It's forced the EU to say, okay, how do we get involved?

01:57:34.000 How do we rethink?

01:57:34.000 Much like the Arab states with the Gaza issue.

01:57:36.000 So now they're saying, well, Keir Starmer over in the UK is saying, we'd be willing to put boots on the ground for some sort of peacekeeping force.

01:57:44.000 And other nations, some are pushing back.

01:57:46.000 Poland, Germany, they're not about deploying troops to Ukraine to enforce some sort of peace deal.

01:57:54.000 But they're talking, right?

01:57:55.000 And that accelerated the process.

01:57:58.000 So, you know, they'll have to be involved.

01:58:00.000 And Ukraine will certainly have to be involved.

01:58:02.000 What are you going to do?

01:58:03.000 You got an invaded country. 0.71

01:58:04.000 Right.

01:58:05.000 And they're not going to be involved in the future of what happens to the invaded country.

01:58:09.000 So they'll be involved.

01:58:11.000 And Marco Rubio has said as much.

01:58:13.000 But I think it's good.

01:58:17.000 I think, you know, people are really up in arms over the idea that they've started the talk without the Ukrainians sitting at the table.

01:58:23.000 But I don't think there's any intention in any plausible scenario where the U.S. doesn't get them involved here in the very near future because otherwise it's going nowhere.

01:58:34.000 When Zelensky says that he hasn't received $100 billion, what does that actually mean?

01:58:40.000 Does it mean it just hasn't gotten to Ukraine yet?

01:58:42.000 It means, yeah.

01:58:43.000 It doesn't mean it's missing?

01:58:44.000 No, it's not missing.

01:58:45.000 So this is the thing that people are saying.

01:58:47.000 It's like Tucker Carlson was talking about this.

01:58:50.000 And he was essentially saying that there's a bunch of people that are spending money.

01:58:54.000 And he went to some wealthy ski town.

01:58:57.000 And these Ukrainians, they're all super wealthy. 0.95

01:58:59.000 And he thinks that some of that is, you know.

01:59:04.000 Yeah, he's not going out on a limb there.

01:59:07.000 I mean, look, Ukraine, one of their big problems over years and years has been corruption and fraud. 1.00

01:59:12.000 And one of the reasons why there was pushback against this idea of NATO, even though back in 2008 or 9, 2008, at a European summit, they actually said during the NATO summit, they said, yes, at some point in the future, Ukraine and Georgia will become members of NATO. We're not going to give you a timetable.

01:59:36.000 I'm not going to tell you what that's going to look like, but you can become members of NATO. But one of the problems has been the level of corruption within Ukraine.

01:59:44.000 So is some of that money, both from the US and from the EU, gone missing and lining pockets?

01:59:51.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:59:52.000 I mean, there's no doubt about it.

01:59:54.000 Look at Iraq, the money that we spent in Iraq and how much...

01:59:56.000 I mean, just any time you've got government disbursement of that size, it's like fucking COVID fraud, right?

02:00:02.000 Right.

02:00:02.000 Any time you've got money going out in large buckets from the U.S. government, you're going to have fraud.

02:00:06.000 You're always going to have some fraud.

02:00:06.000 Absolutely.

02:00:07.000 Yeah, you're going to have people who are going to take advantage of it.

02:00:09.000 So, yeah, that's not a surprise.

02:00:11.000 And Tucker's right for pointing it out.

02:00:13.000 I'm just saying it's not rocket science.

02:00:16.000 How much?

02:00:17.000 Well, that's, again, you would like to think that Doge, one of their jobs would be to go...

02:00:22.000 And I think if there was more transparency in how the money is spent, as there should be, then maybe the taxpayers would be a little bit more understanding or lenient.

02:00:36.000 But they're not going to be lenient or understanding for any fraud where people are getting rich off of this.

02:00:41.000 There are people that are getting rich off of this.

02:00:43.000 I remember there was one guy that had to resign because it turned out he had somehow or another moved around a billion dollars that he shouldn't have.

02:00:50.000 Remember that story?

02:00:51.000 A billion dollars, yeah.

02:00:52.000 And he's like, well, I'll just step off.

02:00:54.000 And so he kind of went away.

02:00:57.000 He's living on a yacht.

02:00:58.000 There's these stories, and it's so confusing because we're getting the...

02:01:04.000 Mainstream media version of what's going on versus boots on the ground.

02:01:09.000 Where is the money actually going?

02:01:11.000 What is actually happening?

02:01:13.000 Why did Russia actually invade in the first place? 0.54

02:01:16.000 Well, my company was out in Iraq, you know, shortly, actually a little bit before, but then, you know, following the 2003 entry of the U.S. into Iraq.

02:01:26.000 And so we were there for a handful of years, right, providing security assistance to a variety of organizations.

02:01:35.000 And, you know, you didn't have to look hard or far to see, you know, there'd be some group coming into town saying, hey, we just started up this company, you know, and it's an 8A company.

02:01:46.000 Look, we're owned by Eskimos or, you know, handicapped women or whatever.

02:01:50.000 They just set up some bullshit company to get government contracts. 0.75

02:01:52.000 No experience, no other.

02:01:54.000 And, yeah, so...

02:01:56.000 We watch that unfold.

02:01:58.000 Anytime you have an environment that's steeped in chaos, fraud is definitely going to happen.

02:02:04.000 So you have to be incredibly aggressive and willing.

02:02:10.000 To hunt it down, right?

02:02:12.000 But I think sometimes the problem is in government, there's like an accepted loss concept, like with, you know, credit cards or retail operators, right?

02:02:22.000 We ain't got an accepted loss.

02:02:23.000 We know we're going to lose a certain amount each year to fraud.

02:02:25.000 Columbia Rickard and Tea Club.

02:02:27.000 Remember that?

02:02:27.000 I do.

02:02:28.000 I was a member.

02:02:29.000 I was too.

02:02:30.000 I think I still owe the money.

02:02:32.000 That's right.

02:02:33.000 That's right.

02:02:35.000 I'm still getting notices.

02:02:36.000 I have not received my CDs.

02:02:38.000 People don't remember that.

02:02:39.000 That was when you used to get cassettes and CDs in the mail, and you sign up.

02:02:43.000 It was a big hustle with the music industry to sell more copies.

02:02:49.000 And you could never unsign.

02:02:51.000 You could never get rid of it.

02:02:52.000 You could never get rid of it.

02:02:53.000 But it made it look like they had a lot more people buying albums than they were.

02:02:57.000 They weren't really buying them.

02:02:59.000 They're getting them from Columbia, and you get like 10 of them for a buck, and everybody's like, oh, this sounds great.

02:03:04.000 And then you get them for regular price afterwards, like, well, fuck this.

02:03:08.000 They'd send you a little cow, and you'd check off which ones you wanted. 0.97

02:03:10.000 Everybody defaulted.

02:03:11.000 Nobody paid.

02:03:13.000 It's like all my friends did it.

02:03:15.000 It was a completely weird scam that went on in the 1980s.

02:03:20.000 I remember Netflix started by mailing you.

02:03:22.000 Oh, yeah.

02:03:23.000 Oh, yeah, I remember that.

02:03:26.000 You used to get a CD or a DVD in the mail.

02:03:28.000 Yeah, I told that to my boys the other night.

02:03:30.000 They put on Netflix.

02:03:31.000 And I said, you know how this got started?

02:03:33.000 And they couldn't believe it.

02:03:35.000 I mean, they're still amazed when a postman walks by the house.

02:03:38.000 They think it's incredibly quaint that some guy walks by and leaves you with some mail.

02:03:42.000 I wonder what they would...

02:03:44.000 I mean, imagine taking a kid to like 1988 and bringing him to a blockbuster video.

02:03:50.000 They would walk around and go, what is going on?

02:03:52.000 Well, we don't have the internet anymore.

02:03:54.000 I mean, yet.

02:03:55.000 So this is how you get movies.

02:03:57.000 They'd be like, shut the fuck up.

02:03:58.000 You don't watch it on your phone?

02:03:59.000 Like, we don't even have phones.

02:04:00.000 Yeah, no, no.

02:04:02.000 No one had a cell phone.

02:04:03.000 Your evenings were spent with a bowl of unshelled nuts, walnuts, and you'd crack them, and that was your activity while you talked to your mom and dad or something.

02:04:11.000 If you ever showed someone a phone back then and say, someday, people are going to jerk off looking at that.

02:04:17.000 They'd be like, what are you even talking about?

02:04:19.000 That's the dumbest prediction of all time.

02:04:22.000 That's not in Star Trek.

02:04:24.000 You get a phone call.

02:04:25.000 I remember some girl would call, and my privacy was only as long as the cord on the phone.

02:04:33.000 Oh, yeah.

02:04:33.000 Right, right.

02:04:34.000 Because everybody was in.

02:04:35.000 You'd have to go to the closet.

02:04:37.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:04:37.000 If you had one of them ones that had a little portable one with the cord attached, and you'd hang it up on that like a desk one, you could bring a long cord if you were lucky.

02:04:46.000 If you were lucky.

02:04:47.000 But we had the wall ones, and so they had the little curly cords.

02:04:49.000 Oh, that was the worst.

02:04:50.000 I could go around.

02:04:51.000 And the cord's always fucking tangled.

02:04:54.000 Spin the headset around to untangle the cord.

02:04:58.000 Because people don't know.

02:04:59.000 The cord you just drag to the ground.

02:05:01.000 Do you remember your landline phone number from when you were a kid?

02:05:04.000 Yeah.

02:05:05.000 Yeah, I do.

02:05:06.000 I do, too.

02:05:08.000 It's the craziest thing.

02:05:09.000 I can still...

02:05:09.000 I can't remember what I did two and three hours ago.

02:05:12.000 And I could still...

02:05:13.000 You could put a gun to my head and I could recite the phone number I had when I was eight years old.

02:05:17.000 Yeah, isn't that weird?

02:05:18.000 We used to be able to remember so many numbers.

02:05:20.000 I only know like three or four numbers of my friends by heart.

02:05:24.000 Yeah.

02:05:24.000 You know your kids' numbers by heart.

02:05:26.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:05:27.000 And my wives and maybe a couple of my buddies that have had, like my friend Eddie's had the same phone.

02:05:32.000 Well, he's got a new one now.

02:05:33.000 So it's weird that we don't have any numbers in our head anymore.

02:05:37.000 No.

02:05:38.000 I will say, and I know this because just a day and a half ago I was doing something.

02:05:44.000 I was filling out some...

02:05:46.000 Application for one of my boys, the middle boy, a scooter, and it asked for his phone number, and I had to look it up.

02:05:54.000 So I was thinking like, well, I don't know, I just push the button.

02:05:56.000 I have to look up mine sometimes.

02:05:58.000 Does that change it?

02:05:59.000 When I give someone my number, I have to go, hold on.

02:06:03.000 I fuck it up.

02:06:04.000 I haven't changed my number in fucking generations.

02:06:07.000 Yeah.

02:06:08.000 I don't know.

02:06:08.000 It becomes an issue.

02:06:10.000 Yeah.

02:06:10.000 Well, yeah.

02:06:11.000 For you, I think it's different.

02:06:12.000 At a certain point in time, you're just getting bombarded by people that you don't want to talk to.

02:06:15.000 You're like, okay.

02:06:16.000 There's only one way out of this.

02:06:17.000 I've got all the friends I want.

02:06:19.000 I've got to vanish.

02:06:20.000 It's not even the friends you want.

02:06:21.000 It's all transactional.

02:06:23.000 That's the problem.

02:06:24.000 The problem is you realize this person only texts me when they want something.

02:06:29.000 Yeah.

02:06:29.000 And the texts before they want something are bullshit.

02:06:32.000 The say hi text.

02:06:34.000 Or bullshit because it's coming.

02:06:36.000 Here comes the thing you want.

02:06:37.000 And then that comes.

02:06:38.000 Yeah, I get that from...

02:06:40.000 I've got a startup.

02:06:41.000 Oh, fuck.

02:06:42.000 Do you want to invest?

02:06:44.000 Fuck off.

02:06:45.000 I don't get the investments because nobody thinks I have money, but I'll get sort of a request for, how about a hookup with somebody in some...

02:06:54.000 Part of the country or government there.

02:06:57.000 Oh, boy.

02:06:58.000 And I'm like, I'm not going to put you in touch with anybody.

02:07:00.000 I don't know.

02:07:00.000 Yeah, those are the worst.

02:07:01.000 Yeah, so it's interesting.

02:07:03.000 You know what today is?

02:07:05.000 What's today?

02:07:06.000 Today is my 20th wedding anniversary.

02:07:08.000 Congratulations.

02:07:08.000 Thank you very much.

02:07:09.000 Thank you very much.

02:07:10.000 I was thinking about that.

02:07:12.000 I know.

02:07:13.000 It was funny because you proposed the 18th for us to get together.

02:07:19.000 And immediately I thought, well, that's our anniversary.

02:07:22.000 And then I thought...

02:07:23.000 Well, she loves Austin, so I could combine the two.

02:07:27.000 And I don't know that I got credit for it.

02:07:30.000 I'm not sure.

02:07:31.000 You won't.

02:07:31.000 If you combine work with anything, even if it's the most awesome vacation, but it's also work, you don't get credit.

02:07:37.000 Oh, you didn't even go out of your life to do this.

02:07:42.000 You kept doing the same stuff, and then you added a thing.

02:07:45.000 And here it is.

02:07:46.000 20 years, and here you go.

02:07:48.000 I don't know.

02:07:49.000 Going to a nice restaurant?

02:07:51.000 Yeah, we are.

02:07:54.000 And we had a dinner in Boise with a bunch of folks on Saturday night that was really lovely.

02:08:01.000 So we got everybody together.

02:08:02.000 Do you guys have wolves out there in Boise?

02:08:05.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:08:06.000 I saw you put something out about wolves near Aspen.

02:08:10.000 30 minutes outside of Aspen, my friend has a ranch, and they just released wolves there a couple weeks ago.

02:08:16.000 And he's already finding...

02:08:18.000 I took a photo of it and put it on my Instagram.

02:08:20.000 He found a dead elk leg.

02:08:23.000 The neighbor spotted the wolves, and they're on his property, and he has...

02:08:27.000 I mean, they've released them on his ranch.

02:08:28.000 Yeah.

02:08:29.000 No one let him know.

02:08:30.000 That's the leg we found in the snow.

02:08:32.000 No one told him.

02:08:34.000 And these are big Canadian wolves that they got from BC, by the way.

02:08:37.000 Oh no, the repopulation program, look, the way you feel about it is entirely jurisdiction-based.

02:08:42.000 What do I mean by that?

02:08:43.000 If you live in New York City or Chicago, you love the wolf repopulation program.

02:08:48.000 If you're a rancher or you live out in the northwest or the west...

02:08:54.000 You're like, what the fuck are we doing?

02:08:55.000 Where he lives, it's all ranchers.

02:08:57.000 This is what's crazy.

02:08:58.000 It's like they've released the wolves where the fucking livestock is.

02:09:01.000 What's crazy is they had a mandate to release wolves in Colorado.

02:09:04.000 So the first wolves they released, they got from Oregon, who they took out of areas where they were killing livestock.

02:09:10.000 So they got wolves that were accustomed to killing livestock and then reintroduced them.

02:09:16.000 To Colorado, where there's livestock, and what do you know?

02:09:19.000 They start killing livestock.

02:09:20.000 Kind of crazy.

02:09:22.000 And it's true, and what you said is absolutely true here.

02:09:24.000 Give it a short period of time, and they're going to start laying on wolf hunts, right?

02:09:29.000 You're not going to find them.

02:09:30.000 Here's another thing my friend said.

02:09:32.000 You can shoot them if you're killing your livestock, or if they're killing a working dog.

02:09:39.000 But you can't shoot them if they're killing your pet.

02:09:42.000 This is what he said.

02:09:43.000 I don't know if that's true.

02:09:43.000 I can.

02:09:44.000 You can in Idaho.

02:09:45.000 Well, in Idaho, you can kill them.

02:09:47.000 In Idaho, they're giving out tags.

02:09:48.000 And they're giving out tags in Montana.

02:09:50.000 And this is what people need to understand.

02:09:51.000 When they first reintroduced them, there was no way you could shoot them.

02:09:55.000 And then it got to a point where they're like, okay, this is not just sustainable.

02:09:59.000 This is a large population of animals that is doing a lot of damage.

02:10:02.000 Oh, yeah.

02:10:03.000 And they do surplus hunting.

02:10:05.000 So in one place in, I think it was Wyoming, they had killed some crazy number of cow elk, like 15 or 16 of them.

02:10:12.000 They're fucking type A predators, man.

02:10:14.000 They're incredibly efficient.

02:10:15.000 And they work together.

02:10:16.000 They're the only animal in North America, other than coyotes, which are actually wolves too.

02:10:21.000 They're a small wolf.

02:10:22.000 But they're the only animals that work as packs.

02:10:24.000 And they're so good at it.

02:10:26.000 They're so good at it.

02:10:27.000 And they're so fucking smart.

02:10:28.000 They're so smart.

02:10:29.000 They're all psychic.

02:10:30.000 They're all fucking...

02:10:31.000 Think together.

02:10:32.000 They're like a hive mind. 0.58

02:10:33.000 Yeah, their hierarchy is amazing.

02:10:36.000 I did several days out in Yellowstone one time for a TV show, an episode, and following, or trying to anyway, the lives of a family out there.

02:10:50.000 And it was...

02:10:51.000 It was amazing, right?

02:10:52.000 Yeah, they're amazing animals.

02:10:53.000 It's just incredible.

02:10:54.000 They're amazing animals.

02:10:55.000 It's just this ballot box biology.

02:10:57.000 These people that are in Denver and Boulder, they're the ones who are the big population centers.

02:11:01.000 They're the ones that are voting for this.

02:11:03.000 But you're not going to release wolves in the middle of downtown Denver, right?

02:11:06.000 No, you're going to release them out in the area where these people voted against it.

02:11:09.000 I wish that they would, though.

02:11:10.000 The area where they released them first were areas where people voted against the wolves, which is like a big fuck you to those people.

02:11:16.000 Yeah, well, it always is.

02:11:17.000 And if you're a rancher, I mean, even in Idaho, right, and you're constantly fighting for just kind of common sense decision-making.

02:11:24.000 And, you know, luckily, you know, the statehouse is very, you know, favorable.

02:11:28.000 You know, who knows?

02:11:29.000 I mean, maybe that changes in 10 years.

02:11:30.000 But for right now, you know, they understand, look, this is what's important to this state.

02:11:34.000 Right.

02:11:35.000 And why it's such a great place to live.

02:11:38.000 But, yeah, so...

02:11:40.000 I don't know.

02:11:40.000 I saw that, and it's front and center, but I know exactly who's voting in favor of it, because I've talked to those people who don't understand at all how it operates.

02:11:55.000 Well, apparently it's a pet project, no pun intended, of the governor of Colorado's husband.

02:12:00.000 His husband is big on wildlife.

02:12:04.000 Which everybody should be.

02:12:06.000 Who's the governor of Colorado again?

02:12:07.000 I don't remember.

02:12:09.000 Oh, well.

02:12:11.000 Yeah, not important.

02:12:13.000 Not important.

02:12:14.000 It is important if you live in Colorado.

02:12:16.000 The reality is, it's already started.

02:12:18.000 The wolves are there.

02:12:19.000 And they were coming into Colorado anyway.

02:12:22.000 There's Colorado wolves that were moving in from neighboring states.

02:12:26.000 Colorado borders Wyoming, of course.

02:12:28.000 And they don't stop at the border.

02:12:29.000 It's not like they go, ah, fuck it, it's Colorado.

02:12:30.000 Oh, they travel hundreds and hundreds of miles.

02:12:33.000 You know, we showed a video on here once of a friend of mine filmed a wolf in Bakersfield, California.

02:12:39.000 And I was like, well, these people that live out there, the ranchers that live out there, talk to me about it.

02:12:45.000 One of my buddies who actually works on a ranch filmed it, filmed this wolf, and we actually played the video.

02:12:49.000 It's a big black wolf and it's in a cattle field in like in fucking Bakersfield It's just outside of Bakersfield.

02:12:57.000 It's like off the five Well what we had Diane Boyd on who is a wolf or?

02:13:03.000 She's a reintroduction specialist.

02:13:05.000 She studied wolves her whole life, and she's not in favor of reintroduction of wolves.

02:13:10.000 She thinks they should reintroduce to areas naturally, and they were going to do that anyway.

02:13:15.000 They were going to migrate into these areas naturally, and that's the best way to let it happen. 1.00

02:13:19.000 But she said they can travel hundreds and hundreds of miles, and that this wolf probably came all the way from Oregon and just made its way down.

02:13:27.000 It probably wasn't even...

02:13:28.000 Because their fear was that some crazy wildlife group was like, we're going to reintroduce...

02:13:32.000 The wolves ourselves.

02:13:34.000 And they're capturing these wolves and then bringing them to California.

02:13:37.000 Fuck you, rancher. 1.00

02:13:39.000 You should be eating soybeans.

02:13:40.000 And they just release them.

02:13:42.000 She doesn't think that.

02:13:43.000 She thinks those wolves actually probably made it from the wild all the way down there because they really travel insane distances.

02:13:50.000 I mean, no, that makes sense.

02:13:51.000 And I'm glad to hear that she's, after all that experience, she's not in favor of a program.

02:13:56.000 I mean, that shows a lot of common sense.

02:13:58.000 Well, it just throws a giant monkey wrench into whatever ecosystem there is. 0.98

02:14:01.000 But the reality of the ecosystem in Montana, where they did reintroduce wolves, was that they were very overpopulated with elk, to the point where, well, she was explaining this, they used to have these winter seasons for cow elk, and, you know, it's basically shooting fish in a barrel because they're stuck in deep snow, and you could just pick them off.

02:14:20.000 And they did that because they were heavily overpopulated.

02:14:23.000 The land couldn't sustain the numbers.

02:14:25.000 And so they offered opportunities for hunters.

02:14:28.000 Hey, it's great.

02:14:29.000 You shoot an elk, you get even a cow elk, you get like 150 pounds of meat, 200 pounds of meat.

02:14:34.000 And it's great.

02:14:35.000 That's your meat for a year almost.

02:14:38.000 I remember a park ranger out in Yellowstone told me one time, he said he was driving.

02:14:43.000 He was out just sort of checking things and came across a large...

02:14:49.000 I forget what he called it.

02:14:50.000 It was a van of some sort, but it was like a VW, you know, hippie van of some sort.

02:14:53.000 And there were four young folks, he said, early 20s, and they were trying to herd this little baby bison.

02:15:04.000 That had gotten separated from the herd, right?

02:15:06.000 And was now all on its own.

02:15:07.000 And they'd been driving along and they saw it off in the distance in the fields.

02:15:11.000 So they decided they were going to rescue this thing.

02:15:14.000 So they were out there trying to get this thing to come towards their van.

02:15:18.000 I had no idea.

02:15:19.000 He says, I don't know.

02:15:19.000 What were they going to do?

02:15:20.000 Put it in the van?

02:15:21.000 He had no idea what they were trying to do.

02:15:22.000 But he stopped and said, what are you doing?

02:15:24.000 He says, well, we got this baby thing.

02:15:25.000 We're trying to save it.

02:15:26.000 He said, what the fuck?

02:15:27.000 Get in your van and drive off.

02:15:28.000 He said, this is how this works, right?

02:15:30.000 And they go, but it's not going to find its mother.

02:15:33.000 Have you ever seen the Instagram page Tourons of Yellowstone?

02:15:37.000 It's one of my favorite.

02:15:39.000 Tourons.

02:15:39.000 Like morons that are tourists.

02:15:42.000 Tourons of Yellowstone.

02:15:43.000 It's a great Instagram page.

02:15:45.000 It's all assholes taking selfies with deer and selfies with bison.

02:15:52.000 German tourists.

02:15:53.000 It's people trying to feed bears.

02:15:55.000 And it's all people just getting fucking thrown through the air by giant bisons. 1.00

02:16:00.000 I love that when they're like this and it's right behind them and they're just trying to get that picture.

02:16:06.000 And once that bison starts staring, right, once it starts staring at you, you've got problems. 0.96

02:16:12.000 This is one I saw the other day.

02:16:13.000 These people are right, this black bear is eating fish right on the edge of this lake, and they're getting right up to it.

02:16:20.000 I mean, these kids are literally 15, 16 inches away from this fucking thing.

02:16:26.000 And he gets closer, too, by the way.

02:16:27.000 Look at the kid in the red jacket.

02:16:28.000 He said, yeah, get our picture.

02:16:29.000 Come on, I got my thumbed up.

02:16:30.000 One of them winds up touching it.

02:16:33.000 Holy shit.

02:16:34.000 Yeah, he reaches over at the end of this stupid fucking video and touches it.

02:16:39.000 And the bear is just like, get the fuck out of here.

02:16:41.000 I'm trying to eat.

02:16:41.000 They don't care, but they're so habitualized to being around people.

02:16:45.000 No wild bear, a truly wild bear would ever allow this.

02:16:48.000 No.

02:16:49.000 This is just a bear.

02:16:50.000 You know, they start eating people's garbage.

02:16:52.000 They start taking fish from fishermen and that kind of shit.

02:16:56.000 And look at this kid taking this selfie.

02:16:58.000 He gets closer.

02:16:59.000 This fucking dumbass.

02:17:01.000 Look at this fucking stupid kid.

02:17:02.000 Look.

02:17:03.000 Look, he's going to move in and touch it.

02:17:05.000 Oh! 0.60

02:17:06.000 Yeah, that could have been the end of your life, buddy.

02:17:08.000 Holy shit.

02:17:09.000 And look, he's got flip-flops on.

02:17:11.000 These kids, they're so silly.

02:17:12.000 We go up fishing in Alaska.

02:17:15.000 And I'll tell you one thing we're not going to do.

02:17:19.000 Bear comes out of the brush.

02:17:20.000 We're not going to stop and take a selfie.

02:17:22.000 No, don't take a selfie.

02:17:23.000 No, not at all.

02:17:24.000 Alaska, though, they are scared of people because they hunt them in Alaska.

02:17:28.000 It's the only state in the United States.

02:17:30.000 And they want to open up a season in Montana.

02:17:32.000 And there's arguments about that right now because of the interactions that people are having with bears.

02:17:37.000 This is part of what the governor of New Jersey ran on, that he was going to stop the bear hunt.

02:17:42.000 And people are like, yeah, stop the bear hunt.

02:17:45.000 That shit lasted one year.

02:17:47.000 And there were so many problems with bears.

02:17:50.000 All right, you're right, you're right.

02:17:51.000 And then they reintroduce the bear hunt.

02:17:52.000 Most of those are black bears, right?

02:17:54.000 Oh, that's only black bears.

02:17:55.000 But New Jersey has more black bears per capita than any other state in the United States, which is nuts.

02:18:01.000 You always forget that New Jersey, A, how big it is, but also just how green it is.

02:18:04.000 It's fucking rural.

02:18:05.000 New Jersey is like Newark and Hackensack and those places, and then rural.

02:18:11.000 It's all pine flats and all the rest of it.

02:18:13.000 Oh, mountains.

02:18:14.000 It's like you get into the woods of New Jersey.

02:18:18.000 It's fucking...

02:18:19.000 Real woods.

02:18:20.000 And it just doesn't seem like it should be because New Jersey's the Sopranos.

02:18:24.000 In our mind, it's, oh, it's Tony Soprano.

02:18:26.000 It's Newark.

02:18:28.000 There's nothing green about Newark.

02:18:30.000 That's what we think about with Newark.

02:18:32.000 Is that your Soprano voice?

02:18:35.000 Big pussy. 1.00

02:18:36.000 You excited about the JFK Fowles release?

02:18:40.000 We haven't even talked about that.

02:18:42.000 You know, I feel like Charlie Brown when Lucy keeps pulling that football away. 0.82

02:18:49.000 Today's the day.

02:18:50.000 I'm going to kick that football.

02:18:52.000 And then she fucking yanks that football and Charlie goes flying through the air and lands on his head. 0.81

02:18:56.000 That's how I feel.

02:18:57.000 It's going to be the way it is, too.

02:18:58.000 I think they'll actually kick out the door. 0.56

02:19:01.000 This time around, I don't think they can hold any more documents.

02:19:04.000 And they don't have that many left to hold.

02:19:05.000 I think they just found thousands of new documents.

02:19:08.000 They found 2,400 more.

02:19:09.000 That is actually a good way.

02:19:10.000 The FBI says, oh, look at this.

02:19:12.000 What they did was they did a review.

02:19:15.000 They started in 2020 and they said, okay, all our...

02:19:18.000 Closed cases.

02:19:19.000 We're going to start, you know, compiling all of them in one place.

02:19:25.000 Why weren't they doing that 40 years ago, 50 years ago?

02:19:28.000 How do you not do that?

02:19:29.000 Have a central repository.

02:19:30.000 Anyway, so they said, this is what we're going to do.

02:19:32.000 So they did, and they said, we're updating the way that we digitize and hold on to all our records.

02:19:37.000 And during the course of that, then when Trump issued his executive order about the release of the files, and also for RFK and MLK, Then the Bureau says, well, we were able to, because we'd done this digitizing and this way of tracking our records, we were able to find 2,400 documents that are related that we just didn't know about.

02:19:57.000 So there's those, and then there's maybe 5,000 other documents left that haven't been released.

02:20:03.000 Well, Trump was quoted as saying that if you saw what they showed me, you wouldn't release it either.

02:20:09.000 Right.

02:20:10.000 What does that mean?

02:20:12.000 What can that mean?

02:20:13.000 It's a really good question.

02:20:15.000 Here's what I think.

02:20:16.000 I think, and I don't, obviously, I don't know what's in those documents either.

02:20:20.000 Wait a minute, you don't?

02:20:22.000 Remember, I was a toddler when he was shot.

02:20:26.000 Although that would have been the perfect cover.

02:20:29.000 Nobody's fucking looking for a toddler to come behind that.

02:20:33.000 A toddler with a magnifying glass.

02:20:35.000 Come off that grassy knoll.

02:20:38.000 It's not like they're going to say in the documents, we did it.

02:20:41.000 So what could the documents have that would be so incriminating that they wouldn't want to release them?

02:20:49.000 What would you document if you assassinated the president?

02:20:51.000 We'd say, well, me and Mike were sitting over here on the grassy knoll.

02:20:57.000 I think some of the documents, the redactions are really pedestrian.

02:21:02.000 They've redacted in the old days, they redacted a person's name who was an investigator or a social security number of somebody who...

02:21:11.000 But there's whole pages that are redacted.

02:21:13.000 Right.

02:21:14.000 I mean, so there's like...

02:21:14.000 Those are like weird.

02:21:16.000 Yeah.

02:21:16.000 What's going on there?

02:21:16.000 I think they held on to...

02:21:18.000 Biden administration held on to like 2,000 some odd documents.

02:21:22.000 Well, in 2017, they were supposed to release them.

02:21:25.000 Right.

02:21:25.000 And then this was when the Trump administration didn't do it.

02:21:28.000 And that's when people got mad.

02:21:30.000 Yeah.

02:21:30.000 Like, hey, you said you were going to do it.

02:21:32.000 And this time they are saying they're going to do it.

02:21:34.000 And then they got this hot lady who's involved in all this. 1.00

02:21:37.000 Yeah.

02:21:37.000 Which is odd.

02:21:38.000 It does.

02:21:38.000 Well, again...

02:21:40.000 Why'd they pick her?

02:21:42.000 Is she a JFK expert?

02:21:45.000 I think she's an assassination expert. 0.97

02:21:47.000 Well, it's not just assassination.

02:21:48.000 She's in charge of UFOs, too, right? 0.80

02:21:50.000 Right, and Epstein and all the rest.

02:21:52.000 I think what we're going to find is, this is just me speculating, obviously, but I think what we're going to find with the released documents is, A, there's no smoking gun.

02:22:02.000 B, it's not going to stop people from believing what they believe.

02:22:07.000 It's not going to put anything to rest.

02:22:10.000 And I think also there probably will be – one of the reasons I think some of these things were withheld was because it's embarrassing perhaps to the CIA and the FBI also in terms of their collaboration.

02:22:24.000 Look, Lee Harvey Oswald was on their radar for good reasons, right, for counterintelligence reasons.

02:22:30.000 He had lived over in Minsk.

02:22:31.000 He defected to the Soviet Union.

02:22:34.000 He'd lived over there for three years, came back.

02:22:40.000 So that alone puts him on the radar, right?

02:22:43.000 Now, suddenly, he's a CIA concern.

02:22:45.000 So the CIA is definitely monitoring him.

02:22:47.000 And then he goes down to Mexico, he goes to the Cuban and Soviet embassies, right?

02:22:53.000 He's desperate to get involved in the revolution, even though he's, you know, the Soviets by that time had decided he's a complete loser.

02:23:02.000 Is that the narrative, though?

02:23:03.000 I mean, do we know what they really decided?

02:23:05.000 Well, I think, you know, I'm just speaking again from experience in the intelligence community.

02:23:11.000 At a certain point, you look at somebody and go, there's nothing here.

02:23:14.000 This person is more of a liability than an asset.

02:23:17.000 Well, wouldn't that be the perfect person to make a patsy? 0.79

02:23:20.000 Well, unless they decided the guy is just unstable.

02:23:22.000 Look, I mean, reportedly, he was finally granted permission to exist in the Soviet Union.

02:23:31.000 After he tried to kill himself, when they said they were going to send him back, he couldn't stay there.

02:23:35.000 How did he try to kill himself?

02:23:36.000 What did he do?

02:23:36.000 No idea.

02:23:37.000 I don't know that part of it.

02:23:39.000 But I think it's – I guess – so my point is that I think he was on the radar.

02:23:44.000 And I think what happened was in the documents we may find that the CIA at the time was not proactive enough.

02:23:53.000 And they didn't work well with the FBI. There was real friction between those two.

02:23:58.000 And I think that, you know, if they had, if they had brought in the FBI, informed them, said, look, we've got the Cuban embassy and the Soviet embassy down in Mexico under observation.

02:24:09.000 We've had this guy on our radar for some time.

02:24:11.000 He's now come back to Dallas and New Orleans.

02:24:13.000 He's back in the States.

02:24:14.000 You know, we've got to keep an eye on him.

02:24:16.000 I think if they had done that, maybe history changes.

02:24:19.000 But I don't think they did, obviously.

02:24:22.000 Yeah, but this is assuming that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, which I'm not buying into.

02:24:25.000 Under this scenario.

02:24:27.000 I'm not buying that at all.

02:24:28.000 But I think that's what we're going to see in some of this documentation.

02:24:31.000 Well, if Trump really did say that, that if they showed you what they showed me, you wouldn't release it either.

02:24:36.000 It has to be something.

02:24:38.000 And that something might be a second shooter.

02:24:41.000 Well, it's not...

02:24:42.000 Or more.

02:24:43.000 I agree, because Trump has never been known to say anything hyperbolic.

02:24:47.000 So, I mean, there's a chance that he was, you know, I don't know.

02:24:52.000 He attempted suicide, a striking indication of how much he desired to remain in the Soviet Union.

02:24:58.000 Showed how willing he was dramatically and decisively when he faced an emotional crisis with few readily available alternatives at hand.

02:25:05.000 He was shocked to find that the Soviet Union did not accept him with open arms.

02:25:09.000 The entry in his self-styled historic diary for October 21st, 1959 reports, I am shocked!

02:25:16.000 Two exclamation points.

02:25:17.000 My dreams!

02:25:19.000 I have waited two years to be accepted.

02:25:21.000 I don't even know what that means.

02:25:24.000 Fondest?

02:25:25.000 Fondest.

02:25:25.000 It's probably, they forgot the T? He can't spell this.

02:25:28.000 Fuck.

02:25:28.000 My fondest dreams are shattered because of a petty official.

02:25:32.000 I decided to end it.

02:25:34.000 Soak fist in cold water to numb the pain, then slash my left wrist.

02:25:38.000 What a pussy. 1.00

02:25:39.000 The Van Plague Wrist.

02:25:42.000 Oh.

02:25:42.000 Plug, then plunge, plunge, wrist.

02:25:45.000 Boy, you can't spell plunge either?

02:25:46.000 Then plunge, wrist.

02:25:47.000 So he spells plunge, P-L-A-U-G. I guess it's plunge.

02:25:52.000 Wrist into bathtub of hot water.

02:25:54.000 Somewhere a violin plays.

02:25:55.000 As I watch my life whirl away, I think to myself, how easy to die and a sweet death to violins.

02:26:01.000 Oswald was discovered in time to thwart his attempted suicide.

02:26:04.000 He was taken to a hospital in Moscow where he was kept until October 28, 1959. Still intent, however, in staying in the Soviet Union, Oswald went on October 31st to the American Embassy to renounce his U.S. citizenship.

02:26:17.000 Mr. Richard A. Snyder, the then second secretary and senior consul officer at the embassy, testified that Oswald was extremely sure of himself and seemed to know what his mission was.

02:26:30.000 He took charge in a sense of the conversation right from the beginning.

02:26:35.000 He presented the following signed note.

02:26:39.000 I, Lee Harvey Oswald, do hereby request that my present citizenship in the United States of America be revoked.

02:26:45.000 And then they let him back in the United States.

02:26:47.000 So this is why the more tinfoil hat wearing amongst us say this fucking guy, he was working for the government.

02:26:54.000 This was all bullshit.

02:26:55.000 They were setting it up and they were using him as a patsy.

02:26:59.000 Oh, no, I know that's, I mean, there's obviously, like, there's a strong belief that the CIA was involved, the mob was involved.

02:27:04.000 And again, hey, I haven't seen all the documents like, you know, Trump has.

02:27:08.000 So, you know, everything's on the table.

02:27:10.000 I wonder if he's even seen them all.

02:27:11.000 Everything's on the table.

02:27:12.000 I don't know if he's seen everything either.

02:27:13.000 What, has he gone through all the files?

02:27:15.000 Yeah, is he sitting there in his office drinking Diet Coke, reading the documents?

02:27:17.000 Who knows?

02:27:18.000 But I think, you know, and who else?

02:27:20.000 Who else said he's...

02:27:21.000 Kash Patel said he's seen all the files.

02:27:24.000 Oh, okay.

02:27:24.000 He said he's seen everything.

02:27:25.000 Now, I'm not sure how, in what capacity.

02:27:28.000 Right.

02:27:28.000 Was he part of a review committee, perhaps?

02:27:30.000 I don't know.

02:27:32.000 Interesting.

02:27:32.000 But...

02:27:33.000 We'll find out, right?

02:27:34.000 Yeah, we'll find out.

02:27:35.000 Well, you have long said that you think that the Martin Luther King Jr. assassination was fishy.

02:27:41.000 Yeah.

02:27:41.000 Yeah, I really do.

02:27:42.000 I believe that.

02:27:42.000 And also, it's interesting that...

02:27:44.000 His family doesn't want this released.

02:27:47.000 They don't want the remaining documents released.

02:27:50.000 And I think the reason there is because, look, they, you know, Hoover and the federal and state law enforcement had a real hard-on for Martin Luther King, obviously, right?

02:28:01.000 And they were covering him three ways to Sunday, so including wiretaps, some that were signed off by RFK, right, by Robert Kennedy, so as Attorney General.

02:28:12.000 So I think...

02:28:14.000 You know, the family is like, look, do you really need to release these records?

02:28:18.000 Because I think they're worried about, you know, embarrassing information about their perhaps about his lifestyle.

02:28:22.000 Hasn't a lot of that already been released?

02:28:24.000 Yeah, it's been talked about and everything, but I think if you dump it out there, you know, whereas...

02:28:29.000 Whereas with JFK's documents, look, they've released some 5 million pages of his, right?

02:28:36.000 I mean, estimates are like, oh, we've released like 99% of the documents.

02:28:40.000 It's not that high a percentage with MLK. So I think there's a potential for embarrassment, but I also, same thing, I don't think in those documents, because I don't think anybody's going to, they're not going to self-incriminate, right?

02:28:54.000 And I do think that there was...

02:28:55.000 There was something going on.

02:28:56.000 Look, James Earl Ray is a much more interesting case study, I think anyway, than Lee Harvey Oswald.

02:29:02.000 James Earl Ray and his behavior leading up to the shooting at the Lorraine Motel, kind of going off the radar, disappearing.

02:29:13.000 You know, the guy couldn't keep himself out of jail.

02:29:15.000 He was a failed petty thief, right?

02:29:17.000 And he was just a fuck-up.

02:29:19.000 And then suddenly he disappears off the radar screen and he shows up and he, you know, looks like a college professor.

02:29:26.000 And he's kind of got his shit together.

02:29:28.000 And then after shooting him, he ends up in Belgium.

02:29:31.000 He got money and guns.

02:29:33.000 Yeah, he got money and guns.

02:29:34.000 Suddenly he had a bag full of cash to go buy himself a Mustang, which he used to drive around the south and kind of be off the grid.

02:29:41.000 I don't know.

02:29:42.000 That one strikes me as sort of the interplay with federal and state and local law enforcement.

02:29:51.000 To me, but again, my point is, they released the documents.

02:29:54.000 What do you think?

02:29:54.000 There's going to be some note in there saying, must kill MLK. Somebody talked to Hoover.

02:30:00.000 That's why it's fun to think, what's the JFK document?

02:30:04.000 What's the MLK? What are they going to tell us about UFOs?

02:30:07.000 But how much are they documenting?

02:30:10.000 Like, if someone is involved in killing the president, I would imagine they wouldn't write that down.

02:30:14.000 Yeah, you would think, right?

02:30:16.000 You would imagine.

02:30:18.000 Kyle, we're going to need you to make a statement here about shooting.

02:30:21.000 So I think that there's probably, I don't know why I picked the name Kyle.

02:30:25.000 That seems odd.

02:30:25.000 That's a good name for a shooter.

02:30:27.000 Yeah, it wasn't a popular name, I don't think, back then.

02:30:31.000 So I think, look, release everything.

02:30:34.000 If they don't release all the documents...

02:30:36.000 At this stage, if they say we're going to hold on to or redact a thousand pages, what the hell are they doing?

02:30:42.000 Everyone's dead.

02:30:43.000 Doesn't make any sense.

02:30:44.000 Doesn't make any sense.

02:30:45.000 It's 1963. Just put it to fucking rest.

02:30:47.000 And if there's embarrassing things in there, then own it, right?

02:30:50.000 Accept it and fucking move on.

02:30:52.000 But again, it's not going to change the narratives that are out there, I don't think.

02:30:57.000 I don't think it's going to – it's not going to satisfy anybody.

02:31:00.000 Wasn't it also a problem with so much time has passed that the waters are so muddy?

02:31:05.000 In terms of, like, trying to see clearly exactly what happened and when it went down and how it went down.

02:31:11.000 Unless they did somehow or another document everything, which seems insane, that they thought they would just tuck that away somewhere.

02:31:20.000 It doesn't seem realistic.

02:31:21.000 It doesn't, no.

02:31:22.000 It seems much more likely that that would be something that you would have a conversation about in a closed room.

02:31:29.000 Yeah, if there was actually a cadre of people that did that.

02:31:32.000 It's not in the documents, right?

02:31:34.000 Because those documents are like interviews of people on the grassy knoll, interviews of people who knew Jack Ruby in his life.

02:31:43.000 My friend Evan Hafer has an interesting perspective on it, you know, Special Forces guy.

02:31:48.000 He thinks that those guys who got fucked over at the Bay of Pigs when they didn't get air support from Kennedy, that if you were going to find a group of hardened individuals that were essentially...

02:32:01.000 Assassins for the government.

02:32:03.000 Right.

02:32:03.000 Those would be the guys that would have a bone to pick with JFK. Yeah.

02:32:08.000 Again, until everything's visible and out there, I think everything's on the table.

02:32:14.000 Yeah.

02:32:14.000 He's not wrong in the sense that they hated Kennedy.

02:32:17.000 Right.

02:32:18.000 But a lot of people hated Kennedy.

02:32:19.000 The mob hated.

02:32:20.000 You know, RFK immensely.

02:32:21.000 Yeah.

02:32:22.000 Oh, yeah.

02:32:22.000 Because he wouldn't play ball.

02:32:23.000 Well, also, he fucked them over because they got him elected in Chicago and then he turned on them and then they started investigating them and they're like, hey, motherfucker.

02:32:30.000 Yeah.

02:32:31.000 And then depending on who you talk to, Jack Ruby was either mobbed up or he did it because he was Jewish and he didn't want, you know, the Jewish community to take the...

02:32:41.000 Or MKUltra.

02:32:42.000 The MKUltra version is the best version.

02:32:44.000 That's Sirhan Sirhan, Charles Manson, everything.

02:32:48.000 Yeah.

02:32:49.000 Say it again, but read Chaos by Tom O'Neill, ladies and gentlemen.

02:32:53.000 Yeah.

02:32:53.000 No, MKUltra, that is a dark history.

02:33:00.000 Did you see the most recent thing that people are saying about China?

02:33:20.000 I think Kurt Metzger sent it to me, so I know it's got to be accurate.

02:33:23.000 He's not out of his fucking mind.

02:33:25.000 Something about some new thing that they found.

02:33:32.000 Some Chinese mind control thing. 1.00

02:33:36.000 You saw that, Jamie?

02:33:37.000 Yeah, they burned the ether.

02:33:39.000 That thing? 0.97

02:33:40.000 I don't know.

02:33:40.000 They burned the cryptocurrency and the guy said that they were being taken over by...

02:33:43.000 Yeah, that has to be it because it was going viral like yesterday.

02:33:46.000 Oh my god.

02:33:47.000 How would I miss this?

02:33:50.000 I was not on Kurt Metzer's email list.

02:33:53.000 Actually, I just checked.

02:33:54.000 It wasn't Kurt.

02:33:55.000 He spent like a million dollars to do that, or like wasted.

02:33:57.000 That's how people saw it, I guess.

02:33:59.000 It's a better way to put it.

02:34:00.000 Wait a minute.

02:34:00.000 What are you talking about?

02:34:01.000 What I'm talking about is some mind control thing that they're involved with, with like their version of like a neural link.

02:34:08.000 Oh, okay.

02:34:09.000 There's more than one different scenario that they're picking.

02:34:14.000 This is crazy, because what goes around comes around, right?

02:34:16.000 Everything that's old is new again.

02:34:17.000 Because when we talked about MKUltra, the whole reason behind MKUltra was fear that the Soviets were engaged in mind control.

02:34:24.000 This is a different one.

02:34:26.000 Someone burned 500...

02:34:27.000 Yeah, this is it.

02:34:28.000 ETH to accuse Chinese head fund CEOs of using brain computer weapons.

02:34:35.000 Allegations of mind control tech spark a crypto donation.

02:34:41.000 Yeah, this is it.

02:34:43.000 How do you say that name?

02:34:46.000 Hulazi burned 603 ETH to allege Chinese hedge fund CEO's use of brain computer weapons.

02:34:55.000 Large donations totaling of 1,950 ETH were made to various addresses including WikiLeaks in Ukraine.

02:35:06.000 A self-identified Chinese programmer has burned 603 ETH, approximately $1.65 million, and donated 1,900 ETH. And so this guy, I don't understand why he's donating the money.

02:35:30.000 Yeah, I'm not getting this.

02:35:31.000 So people would see it, essentially.

02:35:34.000 Okay, he sent 500 ETH to the Byrne address with this message.

02:35:39.000 The CEO of Quan Day Investment, Feng Jin, and Yuji, used brain computer weapons to persecute all company employees and former employees, and even they themselves were controlled.

02:35:57.000 Like, what?

02:35:58.000 Okay.

02:35:59.000 The individual, identifying as Hu Le Zi, Sent multiple on-chain messages accusing Quan Day Investment CEO Feng Jin and Zhu Zhu Zi of using what they term brain computer weapons against employees and former employees.

02:36:17.000 Quan Day Investment, known as Wizard Quant, is a hedge fund specializing in quantitative trading.

02:36:25.000 That old story.

02:36:27.000 Yeah, so scroll down.

02:36:28.000 It says, I saw this on South Park.

02:36:55.000 It was the human caterpillar episode.

02:36:59.000 Wow.

02:37:01.000 Okay, so I don't understand, and Jamie, maybe you do, why burning through and donating, why putting all that money, just to get it seen?

02:37:08.000 It would draw a lot of attention to it that someone just literally lit a million and a half dollars on fire.

02:37:15.000 So that's it.

02:37:16.000 Same reason people light themselves on fire, I guess.

02:37:19.000 Wow.

02:37:20.000 Get their message.

02:37:20.000 Okay.

02:37:21.000 Get attention.

02:37:21.000 Wow.

02:37:22.000 Whether or not it's true, that doesn't...

02:37:24.000 Right, right, right.

02:37:25.000 It doesn't mean it's true.

02:37:25.000 Well, it could be just China bullshitting us and saying that they have this.

02:37:28.000 Yeah.

02:37:29.000 Well, but again, the amazing thing is that everything kind of repeats itself, I suppose.

02:37:35.000 You could look at it that way.

02:37:36.000 I'm not going to go into some grand thought, but look, I mean, we're engaged in World War I-style warfare in Europe now, right, with trench warfare between Ukraine and Russia.

02:37:47.000 We're talking about mind control from the Chinese regime.

02:37:50.000 That was what started MKUltra was fear of the Soviets and the North Koreans at the time getting engaged in mind control and the worry that we were somehow behind the curve and that they had this technology capability to control minds. 0.79

02:38:03.000 And so next thing you know, MKUltra is born.

02:38:08.000 I wonder what's the method they're supposedly using to control these people's minds.

02:38:12.000 It was pretty vague.

02:38:14.000 Slaves to the digital machine.

02:38:20.000 Elaborates on alleged activities they're engaged in, which include deploying brain computer chips to control all citizens until they become complete slaves to the digital machine.

02:38:30.000 Sillumini, distraught, lazy, who described himself as an ordinary computer programmer and entrepreneur.

02:38:36.000 That's what I would say too, if I work for the Chinese government.

02:38:38.000 Claims he's been controlled by the mind control organization from the time he was born, but only discovered he's being manipulated in October, 2022.

02:38:47.000 So from the time he was born, they had a chip in his brain.

02:38:49.000 Is that what he's saying?

02:38:49.000 That's not real.

02:38:51.000 No.

02:38:51.000 Because they didn't have that back then.

02:38:53.000 Yeah, I'm concerned over the legitimacy of this.

02:38:55.000 Or if they did, how would it still be active in your brain?

02:38:58.000 Like, how do you not have brain cancer?

02:39:01.000 It's been a very painful...

02:39:02.000 I mean, maybe it's real.

02:39:03.000 I'm just fucking around here.

02:39:06.000 It's been a very painful in the last two years.

02:39:08.000 Lazy wrote, now I have completely lost my dignity as a human being.

02:39:12.000 I have decided to leave this world.

02:39:13.000 I hope this ugly world will be destroyed soon.

02:39:15.000 Oh, well, that guy sounds like a...

02:39:17.000 A whole bunch of fun.

02:39:18.000 Yeah.

02:39:19.000 He just did it just to give the story some credence, which that doesn't...

02:39:23.000 I don't know.

02:39:24.000 Yeah.

02:39:25.000 That's the problem with today.

02:39:26.000 It's like there's so many bullshit stories.

02:39:28.000 Yeah.

02:39:29.000 That sounds fun to say.

02:39:30.000 Mind control.

02:39:31.000 Well, that's it.

02:39:32.000 If you throw shit out there and you couch it in a certain way and you...

02:39:35.000 Oftentimes you'll see some of this and I'm using big words and I'm talking about the...

02:39:41.000 You know, it's like the fucking UFO hearings up on Capitol Hill, right?

02:39:45.000 I don't know how many times I've had to sit and listen to, you know, I've seen some stuff.

02:39:49.000 I can't tell you what the stuff is.

02:39:51.000 It's hidden stuff, but I've seen some stuff.

02:39:53.000 I know.

02:39:54.000 I get so tired of it all.

02:39:55.000 Yeah.

02:39:55.000 And I think there's something out there, right?

02:39:59.000 I'm not, you know, again, I agree with you in the sense that, you know, we...

02:40:05.000 We're certainly not the only ones out here floating around, right?

02:40:09.000 I don't know what it means.

02:40:11.000 I don't know whether we've been visited or anything like that, but every time there's a UFO hearing, it's sort of that same thing.

02:40:18.000 It's that tantalizing, like, oh, look, he's talking, he's talking, and then it's...

02:40:21.000 The thing about the release of those documents, though, that seems to me that that's something that you would document.

02:40:27.000 Yes.

02:40:28.000 Rather than say, I killed JFK, where do I sign?

02:40:32.000 Instead of that...

02:40:34.000 That's more tangible.

02:40:36.000 Like, if the government had recovered some crash in 1947 in Roswell, New Mexico, and it really was an alien spaceship, that seems like something they would document.

02:40:46.000 Yeah, I agree.

02:40:47.000 And I think that's worth pursuing in a big way.

02:40:51.000 They should.

02:40:51.000 There needs to be more transparency about it.

02:40:55.000 And it's also the same like with the COVID files, if there's such a thing as COVID files.

02:41:00.000 But sure, go through and look.

02:41:01.000 I mean, transparency, you know, to the degree that you can where, you know, you're not releasing national secrets that are going to get people killed.

02:41:07.000 Great.

02:41:08.000 But the Epstein files, you know, so I think there's real value in saying we've got – because the government always overclassifies, always overclassifies.

02:41:19.000 And, you know, it's unnecessary and it creates, you know, this distrust, I think, half the time.

02:41:25.000 For sure.

02:41:26.000 Yeah, they're just like, what the fuck?

02:41:27.000 We don't believe anything you're saying now.

02:41:29.000 So release everything.

02:41:31.000 Let the chips fall.

02:41:32.000 Because I don't think, honestly, I don't think there's a lot of information there.

02:41:36.000 But I do think with the UFOs, all the documentation and the investigations that took place of unknown sightings, but it's still going to not convince people that we're not holding on to, you know, crashed.

02:41:50.000 Right.

02:41:51.000 Spaceships.

02:41:51.000 Well, when you've got guys like David Grush, you know, who's the whistleblower that comes out and says, not only do we have these ships, but we have biological entities.

02:42:00.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:42:01.000 Okay.

02:42:02.000 Well, then, you know, maybe explain yourself a little more, right?

02:42:06.000 Right.

02:42:06.000 You've already come out.

02:42:07.000 You kind of, like, opened your kimono a little bit.

02:42:10.000 You know, just fucking say what do you know and then put it to rest.

02:42:13.000 Maybe you've got an obligation to do that, right?

02:42:15.000 I mean...

02:42:15.000 I think he wants to, according to him.

02:42:18.000 Yeah.

02:42:18.000 But...

02:42:19.000 He has to get clearance.

02:42:21.000 Yeah, he's already pushed that door open, right?

02:42:24.000 I don't know.

02:42:25.000 As an individual, right?

02:42:26.000 He explained on the podcast that he's authorized to say what he's already said, but nothing more, and he has to be very careful.

02:42:32.000 But then again, it's like, how do I know?

02:42:34.000 Yeah, I know.

02:42:34.000 How do I know that's not horseshit?

02:42:35.000 I know.

02:42:36.000 And that's the problem, and that's going to be the problem with the release of the files.

02:42:39.000 Also, if I was going to obscure some sort of a government propulsion system that's like 50 years ahead of anything we could imagine, that's how I would do it.

02:42:47.000 I'd obscure it by saying, oh, there's some fucking alien technology.

02:42:50.000 It's available, and we don't really know how to use it, but they do visit us from time to time, and occasionally they crash.

02:42:57.000 They came over to New Jersey?

02:42:58.000 Remember the drones over in New Jersey?

02:43:00.000 Right.

02:43:00.000 But now the Trump administration has said they were running some tests, and those were ours.

02:43:04.000 Yeah.

02:43:05.000 So why wouldn't the Biden administration say that?

02:43:07.000 What the hell?

02:43:08.000 I mean, what's the point?

02:43:09.000 Maybe you should tell me.

02:43:11.000 Well, I do know, but I'm not authorized to say.

02:43:14.000 We've got to get you in a skiff.

02:43:15.000 Yeah, but I know some stuff.

02:43:16.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:43:17.000 I just can't say the stuff.

02:43:18.000 Anyway.

02:43:19.000 Well, listen, Mike, it's always great to talk to you.

02:43:21.000 Thank you, man.

02:43:21.000 It's been a blast, as always.

02:43:23.000 Tell everybody about your show, where they can watch it.

02:43:25.000 Oh, thank you.

02:43:27.000 And listen to the presidential briefing.

02:43:29.000 I can't think of a way.

02:43:31.000 I'd more rather spend my 20th wedding anniversary than right here.

02:43:35.000 You want to go out to dinner?

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02:43:57.000 I mean, occasionally something sneaks in.

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02:44:07.000 A real need for something like that today.

02:44:09.000 Well, you know, it's doing really well because I think people actually want that nowadays.

02:44:13.000 And they also like the brevity of it, right?

02:44:15.000 Nobody wants to listen to me for, well, I don't know, hours.

02:44:18.000 But anyway.

02:44:19.000 We just did.

02:44:21.000 All right.

02:44:21.000 Hey, thank you.

02:44:22.000 Thank you, Mike.

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02:44:23.000 All right.

The Joe Rogan Experience - February 19, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2274 - Mike Baker

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