The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2277 - Woody Harrelson

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00:00:12.000 What's happening, man?

00:00:13.000 How are you?

00:00:15.000 Everything's groovy as could be.

00:00:16.000 I'm happy to be in Austin.

00:00:18.000 I love it here, you know?

00:00:20.000 It's a fun place.

00:00:21.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:00:22.000 I mean, I stay here.

00:00:24.000 Oh, do you?

00:00:25.000 Yeah.

00:00:27.000 I don't know.

00:00:28.000 It's just a special place in this country.

00:00:32.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:00:33.000 It's perfect because it's like a blue city and a red state.

00:00:37.000 It's like even the really kooky liberal people are pretty reasonable in comparison to like the kooky liberal people from California or New York.

00:00:47.000 Yeah, kooky liberals.

00:00:50.000 Yeah, I've been thinking a lot about that lately.

00:00:52.000 Did you get a lot of that after Saturday Night Live?

00:00:54.000 A lot of kooky liberals coming your way?

00:00:58.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:00:59.000 That's a good transition.

00:01:01.000 That monologue was great, by the way.

00:01:04.000 Yeah.

00:01:06.000 Well, I got a lot of blowback, as I knew I would.

00:01:10.000 Because you told the truth.

00:01:13.000 Well, yeah.

00:01:17.000 You don't want to say anything negative about vaccines, which I didn't.

00:01:21.000 What I was talking about in that monologue was really about profiteering.

00:01:29.000 So World War II, necessary. 1.00

00:01:31.000 Everyone could say that was a necessary war.

00:01:34.000 Let's say that this war on microbes was a necessary war, right?

00:01:40.000 Why is anyone profiteering?

00:01:43.000 Yes.

00:01:44.000 Why did, you know, FISA get to make $100 billion in 2021?

00:01:51.000 Right.

00:01:52.000 Anyway.

00:01:54.000 Why did the government profit off of it?

00:01:56.000 The profiteering of war is just wrong.

00:02:00.000 Like, okay, if you say that it has to be, there's conflicts happening right now.

00:02:05.000 I disagree with, but I'm wondering, why are people making money off of it, you know?

00:02:10.000 Even if you think you have a legitimate...

00:02:13.000 Vantage point from the other side of it.

00:02:16.000 Why did someone get to make so much frickin' money off of it?

00:02:20.000 Yeah.

00:02:21.000 Yeah.

00:02:22.000 It's the dirtiest aspect of human beings.

00:02:25.000 We'll find a way to profiteer off everything.

00:02:29.000 Everything and anything.

00:02:30.000 Even if it's just.

00:02:31.000 And they'll prolong just things in order to make more profit.

00:02:36.000 Well, I mean, I'm sure you know that...

00:02:40.000 You know, Richard Nixon knew it was imperative that the war continue, you know, the Vietnam War, back before he got elected, you know.

00:02:50.000 Yeah.

00:02:50.000 He didn't want that to get settled.

00:02:52.000 Yeah.

00:02:53.000 And there's a great phone call.

00:02:55.000 I don't know if you've listened to any of Johnson's phone calls.

00:03:00.000 Lyndon Johnson.

00:03:01.000 What phone call?

00:03:02.000 There was a phone call he had with Nixon saying, hey, man.

00:03:11.000 You're going against the peace, because he was trying to get a peace to go before the 68 election, right?

00:03:17.000 Which he eventually just bailed out of anyway, because he could see he was going to lose it, Johnson.

00:03:25.000 Maybe you haven't...

00:03:27.000 No, I've never heard that conversation between Nixon and Johnson.

00:03:29.000 It's an incredible conversation.

00:03:31.000 And Nixon's like, oh, I wouldn't do that.

00:03:33.000 I would never, you know.

00:03:35.000 And of course, he was doing that.

00:03:37.000 He was subverting the peace process, you know.

00:03:40.000 In the same way that, you know, they wanted to make sure Carter didn't get those, you know, those guys released in Iran.

00:03:51.000 Yeah.

00:03:51.000 I always wondered about the Vietnam War.

00:03:54.000 How much of it was about heroin?

00:03:57.000 Three days before 1968 presidential election, President Johnson contacted Senate Majority Leader Everett M. Dirksen to inform him the White House had received hard evidence from the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

00:04:10.000 The campaign of Republican presidential candidate Richard M. Dick Nixon was interfering with Johnson's effort to start peace talks to end the Vietnam War.

00:04:19.000 And this call, Johnson referred to contacts between Nixon's campaign and South Vietnamese president when Van Thee, I don't know how to say his name, urged that they thwart any such negotiations.

00:04:31.000 Yeah.

00:04:32.000 Yeah.

00:04:32.000 And that did happen.

00:04:34.000 And also, they definitely...

00:04:40.000 Bush, you know, the senior Bush, George Bush Sr., he met with the leaders of the Iranian, what do you call it, party, whatever, before the election, the fight between Carter and Reagan, and insisted they needed to not be letting those hostages go.

00:05:08.000 Right.

00:05:10.000 And Carter in Atlanta, I don't know, a couple, three years ago, right?

00:05:17.000 It's very exciting for me because I've always been a big, big fan of Carter.

00:05:22.000 I think he's the best president in my lifetime.

00:05:26.000 And I talked to Carter and he was like, and I said, I'm sitting there, I'm thinking to myself, is there a better time to ask?

00:05:33.000 When am I going to have another time?

00:05:35.000 And so that was known as the October surprise, right?

00:05:39.000 Right.

00:05:40.000 That Bush met with those guys.

00:05:43.000 Anyway, I just said, I'm going to ask him, I said, well, I just wonder, is there any truth to the October surprise?

00:05:53.000 And he kind of, he looks at me like, he hadn't heard this question lately, right?

00:05:59.000 And he looks at me and he goes, well, I never talked about this publicly, but we did still have people in the White House after we left.

00:06:09.000 Who were there during the Reagan administration.

00:06:12.000 And they confirmed it was true.

00:06:16.000 Yeah, of course it was true.

00:06:17.000 It was too obvious.

00:06:18.000 The hostages get released right after Reagan gets elected.

00:06:20.000 They released him on the day he took office.

00:06:23.000 Yeah.

00:06:24.000 Yeah.

00:06:25.000 Ridiculous.

00:06:26.000 It's kind of disgusting.

00:06:28.000 Very disgusting.

00:06:29.000 Yeah.

00:06:30.000 But, I mean, I don't want to be one to talk ill to the American government.

00:06:40.000 Far be it for me.

00:06:41.000 Yeah, we don't need to.

00:06:43.000 Hey man, your movie's fucking great.

00:06:44.000 I loved it.

00:06:45.000 Oh, you saw it?

00:06:46.000 I saw it Wednesday night.

00:06:47.000 Yeah, it was great.

00:06:48.000 Thank you.

00:06:49.000 Really great.

00:06:49.000 Nail-biter.

00:06:50.000 Yeah, and the edge of your seat.

00:06:52.000 Yeah, there's not a single cut-the-shit moment in that movie.

00:06:55.000 You know, there's movies where you have to suspend disbelief and it takes you out of it.

00:07:01.000 There's none of that in that movie.

00:07:02.000 It's really good.

00:07:03.000 It's really good.

00:07:04.000 Very suspenseful.

00:07:06.000 Very fulfilling.

00:07:07.000 At the end of it, you feel super entertained.

00:07:09.000 Yeah.

00:07:09.000 Oh, thank you.

00:07:10.000 Thank you so much.

00:07:11.000 Yeah, I love it.

00:07:13.000 It's so exciting, that film.

00:07:16.000 It's like an action movie.

00:07:18.000 I mean, it really is.

00:07:20.000 Like, as nail-biter as any action movie I've seen, I love it.

00:07:24.000 And Alex Parkinson, he was the director.

00:07:28.000 He also directed, because it was a documentary, Last Breath.

00:07:34.000 Oh, wow.

00:07:35.000 Oh, because people may not know.

00:07:37.000 This was a real incident that happened in the North Sea.

00:07:42.000 Anyway, yeah.

00:07:45.000 Simu Liu and Finn Cole, you know, loved those guys.

00:07:51.000 Loved working with them.

00:07:53.000 That was a great experience.

00:07:54.000 It's a great movie.

00:07:55.000 It's very good.

00:07:56.000 It's very fun.

00:07:57.000 Like, it's exciting.

00:07:58.000 And I hardly ever go to the movies anymore.

00:08:00.000 But your people made me go see it in the movie theater.

00:08:03.000 Oh, yeah?

00:08:04.000 Yeah, so I had to actually go to a theater and see it.

00:08:06.000 It was great, though.

00:08:07.000 Well, thanks for doing that, man.

00:08:09.000 Oh, my pleasure.

00:08:10.000 My pleasure.

00:08:11.000 I know you're a busy man.

00:08:13.000 You got a lot going on.

00:08:14.000 Yeah, but I was excited to talk to you, man.

00:08:16.000 I'm a big fan.

00:08:16.000 I've been, god damn, I've been watching you since Cheers.

00:08:19.000 Oh, thanks, dude.

00:08:21.000 It's a long time.

00:08:22.000 Well, I'm a fan of yours, too.

00:08:25.000 Thank you.

00:08:25.000 I really am.

00:08:26.000 I love the things you've done that just...

00:08:31.000 Just flipped everything on its head.

00:08:33.000 You know, the people you've interviewed, that you got, you know, people genuinely up in arms, you know, like, you're not afraid.

00:08:43.000 You're a fearless warrior, and I just, I appreciate what you do.

00:08:47.000 Thank you.

00:08:48.000 Like, allowing voice to people, other people will be like, you're wrong just to interview that person.

00:08:55.000 Yeah, you get a lot of that, for sure, but that's ridiculous.

00:08:58.000 That's ridiculous.

00:09:00.000 That's ridiculous thinking.

00:09:02.000 I don't even understand that.

00:09:03.000 I really don't.

00:09:04.000 I don't understand how we got to a place where you're wrong to have a conversation with someone, even if you disagree with them.

00:09:11.000 This idea of platforming people.

00:09:13.000 Well, how the fuck do you know what they really think?

00:09:15.000 Based on what?

00:09:16.000 The mainstream media that lies to you constantly?

00:09:19.000 That's supported by all sorts of special interest groups that have no need to tell the American public the truth.

00:09:25.000 They have a very specific narrative that they want pushed.

00:09:28.000 They want no deviation from that at all.

00:09:30.000 Get the fuck out of here.

00:09:32.000 Get the fuck out of here.

00:09:33.000 It's crazy.

00:09:35.000 If you have a large audience, I think you have at least a certain amount of responsibility to talk to some people that you think might be telling the truth.

00:09:42.000 Yeah, I liked your interview with Robert Malone.

00:09:46.000 Yes.

00:09:47.000 That was a crucial interview at a crucial time.

00:09:49.000 Well, that was the most pushback I'd ever experienced ever in my life.

00:09:52.000 And I was like, this is crazy.

00:09:54.000 It was really sad to see people like Joni Mitchell and Neil Young.

00:10:01.000 I wanted to sit down and talk to them and show them some studies and give them Robert Kennedy's book and say, you don't really know what you're talking about.

00:10:10.000 Well, that's the thing that makes me sad is a lot of this information they're receiving is like from mainstream media, which certainly has its own objectives and its own, you know, things that it won't discuss.

00:10:26.000 Yes.

00:10:26.000 Yeah, at all.

00:10:28.000 And, yeah, and I just felt like after that happened, you know.

00:10:35.000 I was going to try to get in touch with you just to tip my hat to you, but it just felt like, why don't people just listen to the interview?

00:10:44.000 Because I feel like everyone who was giving it a hard time hadn't even heard the interview.

00:10:49.000 Of course.

00:10:50.000 Yeah, they had heard the mainstream media saying that it was dangerous misinformation.

00:10:54.000 By the way, everything he said has turned out to be true.

00:10:57.000 Every single thing he said.

00:11:00.000 Had turned out to be true. 0.79

00:11:02.000 Sure.

00:11:02.000 Everything that everybody said about whether it was a lab leak, whether the vaccine had side effects, whether it was pushed, whether they lied about the studies and distorted the information, everything was true.

00:11:13.000 All of it.

00:11:14.000 Including Yale just released some study about people producing spike protein 700 plus days after the injections, which was never thought to be the case when they gave them to these people in the first place.

00:11:27.000 A host of different...

00:11:30.000 Serious problems that people are having because of these that everyone's covering up and people are lying about and everyone's trying to obfuscate and doctors are trying to sweep things under the rug because they don't want to be in trouble for mandating these things and telling people to get these things.

00:11:43.000 It's horrible.

00:11:46.000 Well, I mean, I agree with you and...

00:11:49.000 Yeah, if we go back to the allowing...

00:11:55.000 You know, I just feel like to mandate...

00:12:00.000 Crazy.

00:12:00.000 That, to me, is fascistic behavior.

00:12:04.000 If you mandate that I have to take this thing, that if you take it, you're protected.

00:12:11.000 Well, if I take it, wasn't that mine?

00:12:15.000 That should be my prerogative.

00:12:17.000 I either want to be protected or don't want to be protected.

00:12:20.000 Or maybe I am like I am, which is the last two entities on earth I would trust with my health would be Big Pharma and Big Government.

00:12:28.000 Like, those would be the last two I would look to.

00:12:32.000 You know, how much Big Pharma's done to just push it through that they know is bad for you, that they know harms you.

00:12:41.000 And in this case...

00:12:42.000 They know what's happened.

00:12:43.000 They know.

00:12:44.000 And all we're left with after the, what was it, 86 that they mandated that you couldn't sue the vaccine company?

00:12:53.000 And so since then, we've only been left with VAERS, right?

00:12:57.000 Yeah, VAERS, yeah.

00:12:59.000 VAERS, the government website.

00:13:02.000 And now we have millions of people who fought through the red tape and then the bureaucratic whatever just to...

00:13:12.000 Anonymously be known that they were injured.

00:13:16.000 Yeah.

00:13:18.000 It was weird watching so many people that I thought were intelligent stand up for the government and for the pharmaceutical industry.

00:13:29.000 But it's not weird if you think of how...

00:13:32.000 I mean, it was ubiquitous.

00:13:34.000 It never stopped.

00:13:37.000 The mainstream press was just harping on it constantly.

00:13:41.000 Yeah.

00:13:42.000 Constantly.

00:13:42.000 Yeah.

00:13:43.000 But it's just weird that so many people went along with it without question.

00:13:46.000 I mean, and especially the weirdest part was it was the people on the left.

00:13:51.000 That was so confusing to me because all my life, people on the left were very, very hesitant to believe anything that Big Pharma said and always distrusting in...

00:14:03.000 Any major institution that was profiting off of something, and it was all very clear.

00:14:09.000 You could see where the motivation was with everything.

00:14:12.000 You could see the amount of profit that was going to be generated, and still, everybody was just so scared.

00:14:17.000 It just exposed a lot of cowards, a lot of fools, a lot of cowards, and a lot of people that are just, at the moment of any form of adversity, are willing to just bow down.

00:14:31.000 Do what the system tells them to.

00:14:32.000 It's very strange.

00:14:34.000 Well, yes.

00:14:37.000 I mean, to say cowards, it's interesting because of the nature of it being so mandated.

00:14:49.000 I had many people I know got vaccinated because they wanted to be able to fly, they wanted to be able to work.

00:14:57.000 So when it's mandated that you can't work, You know, how many drivers?

00:15:03.000 Every single driver had to be vaccinated.

00:15:06.000 In Atlanta, every person on the crew had to be vaccinated.

00:15:12.000 And you had the first vaccination, but when you got the, what do you call it, the next...

00:15:20.000 The boosters.

00:15:21.000 The booster, it had to be within six months.

00:15:24.000 If it's six months and a day, you won't work that day.

00:15:27.000 You know, it was very regimented.

00:15:29.000 Everybody in every crew.

00:15:33.000 Including people that had already been sick.

00:15:35.000 It didn't even make sense.

00:15:36.000 Not only that, I mean, you talk to virologists, they say you never vaccinate during a pandemic because it encourages variants.

00:15:42.000 You know, I posted that on Twitter, the study on Twitter, and so many people were attacking me.

00:15:46.000 I'm like, hey, I didn't write the study.

00:15:47.000 This is a study that shows that when you vaccinate with a non-sterilizing vaccine during a pandemic, it encourages variants.

00:15:57.000 And that's what happened.

00:15:59.000 What do you mean non-sterilizing vaccine?

00:16:01.000 So a vaccine that doesn't actually prevent you from catching the disease or spreading the disease.

00:16:07.000 Oh, right.

00:16:07.000 And that's what COVID is.

00:16:08.000 That's what the COVID vaccine is.

00:16:10.000 Initially, it was supposed to stop you.

00:16:11.000 It was 100% going to stop the vaccine.

00:16:14.000 And then, of course, that had to be modified.

00:16:18.000 It came to now...

00:16:20.000 It will lessen your symptoms.

00:16:22.000 A completely unprovable claim.

00:16:24.000 Yeah, well, there was never any studies ever in the beginning that ever showed that it stopped transmission.

00:16:31.000 None.

00:16:31.000 Right.

00:16:32.000 Zero.

00:16:32.000 All it did is it showed that it had an immune response.

00:16:35.000 So you read Bobby's book.

00:16:38.000 Oh, yeah.

00:16:38.000 Yeah.

00:16:39.000 And even the guy, interestingly, you know, Kerry Mullis, I believe his name, the guy who created the PCR tests, or, well, there was some discrepancy with other people.

00:16:53.000 But anyway, it doesn't matter.

00:16:54.000 But the guy credited, he said, this vaccine, this test cannot prove...

00:17:04.000 Infection.

00:17:06.000 It doesn't prove causation.

00:17:09.000 So, in other words, you're having a response that says that you have a viral load, but you don't know what the cause of that is.

00:17:20.000 You don't know what generated that.

00:17:23.000 It can't prove what the illness is.

00:17:25.000 Not only that.

00:17:26.000 What the problem is that causes that.

00:17:28.000 Depending upon the amount of cycles that you run the PCR, I mean, you could detect, like, the most minute amount that is not indicative of the person being infected.

00:17:38.000 Right.

00:17:39.000 And that person will have a false positive.

00:17:41.000 And there's false positives through the fucking roof.

00:17:44.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:17:45.000 Yeah, the whole thing made no sense.

00:17:47.000 And it was just designed to push a vaccine that they profited off of massively.

00:17:51.000 And I hope we learn.

00:17:52.000 I hope we learn.

00:17:53.000 I hope next time things roll around, people are a lot more hesitant to just jump in and believe this shit.

00:17:58.000 Well, already they were coming up with additional vaccines for this or that or another booster.

00:18:05.000 And people were like, yeah, no.

00:18:08.000 So I think people have already started to question.

00:18:12.000 The validity of things, you know?

00:18:14.000 Well, I think this pandemic and the response and the mandates and all that shit, it ruined people's faith in, first of all, the mainstream media.

00:18:26.000 I think the mainstream media took the biggest hit out of anybody.

00:18:29.000 Like, the trust in the television shows and the newspapers that are supposed to be delivering the truth is at an all-time low.

00:18:37.000 Well, I hope you're right.

00:18:39.000 Oh, I think I'm right.

00:18:41.000 Yeah.

00:18:42.000 I think it's pretty obvious.

00:18:43.000 I mean, the ratings are down on every fucking show there is.

00:18:47.000 Newspapers, no one wants to buy them.

00:18:49.000 You mean since the pandemic?

00:18:50.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:18:51.000 Yeah, okay.

00:18:52.000 I didn't know that.

00:18:53.000 Oh, yeah.

00:18:54.000 CNN is, fucking no one's watching it anymore.

00:18:56.000 MSNBC is a ghost town.

00:18:58.000 No one's watching these shows because they're all just lying.

00:19:01.000 They're lying.

00:19:01.000 They're still lying.

00:19:02.000 They're lying constantly.

00:19:04.000 And now, you know, now they're lying about the Department of Government Efficiency, when before they were lying about pandemics and vaccines.

00:19:13.000 It's just, it's not really the news.

00:19:16.000 You know, if it was the news, they wouldn't be paid for by the pharmaceutical drug companies.

00:19:20.000 You can't have the fucking news sponsored by the people that you're supposed to be reporting on, and then you never report on them.

00:19:25.000 That's just crazy.

00:19:27.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:19:29.000 Well, also, that whole trusted news initiative.

00:19:33.000 Yeah.

00:19:34.000 You familiar with that?

00:19:35.000 Mm-hmm.

00:19:36.000 Yeah.

00:19:37.000 I guess you would be.

00:19:38.000 Yeah.

00:19:38.000 You talk to Bobby and everybody.

00:19:40.000 Yeah.

00:19:41.000 But yeah, the Trusted News Initiative is just like, okay, we won't...

00:19:46.000 I'd send a YouTube video that I just got...

00:19:51.000 To someone else.

00:19:52.000 And by the time it gets to them, they're like, it won't let me watch it.

00:19:55.000 Yeah.

00:19:55.000 Right?

00:19:56.000 Yeah.

00:19:56.000 Why?

00:19:57.000 You know?

00:19:59.000 Misinformation.

00:20:00.000 But isn't misinformation also information?

00:20:05.000 Yeah.

00:20:05.000 You know?

00:20:06.000 It's like, how can you term it misinformation?

00:20:09.000 And what, you know, what are your criteria that allow you to call that misinformation?

00:20:19.000 Yeah.

00:20:20.000 Well.

00:20:20.000 I'm hoping people have learned.

00:20:22.000 But it was a weird time.

00:20:23.000 An educational time though.

00:20:25.000 It was a good experience for some people just to learn that like, hey, there's sources that you cannot trust.

00:20:33.000 And I think now the beautiful thing about someone like Elon buying...

00:20:37.000 Twitter and turning it into X and having community notes is now you have a way of fact-checking things where people use the community notes and they start posting studies in the community notes and saying, no, this story is not true.

00:20:51.000 Here's why it's not true.

00:20:53.000 Here's why it's provably not true.

00:20:55.000 So this is the best way to handle misinformation.

00:20:57.000 It's not leave it up to government censors.

00:21:00.000 Yeah.

00:21:01.000 You know, and that was where everybody was going in 2020. It was just fucking crazy to watch.

00:21:06.000 Those weren't government censors.

00:21:08.000 Those were the mainstream media censoring themselves.

00:21:12.000 Well, yeah.

00:21:14.000 Yeah, but I mean...

00:21:15.000 At the behest of government, but also at the behest of Big Pharma.

00:21:19.000 Yeah.

00:21:20.000 Yeah.

00:21:21.000 When we found out that the government was...

00:21:24.000 Actively contacting social media companies and having them remove things that were true.

00:21:30.000 Because there was malinformation.

00:21:32.000 Do you know that term?

00:21:34.000 I haven't heard it before.

00:21:36.000 There's misinformation, disinformation, and malinformation.

00:21:39.000 Malinformation is true, but could have a detrimental effect on society. 1.00

00:21:46.000 True information that can have a detrimental effect on society is malinformation that all should be censored.

00:21:53.000 It's Orwell.

00:21:54.000 It's right out of 1984. It's crazy.

00:21:57.000 I feel so Orwellian just the time we've gone through and the time we're in.

00:22:03.000 It feels extremely Orwellian.

00:22:05.000 It's very weird.

00:22:09.000 It's a weird time, but I'm optimistic.

00:22:14.000 I want to be optimistic.

00:22:16.000 I think cynicism is the worst disease of old age.

00:22:20.000 Once you're cynical, you are fucked, man.

00:22:24.000 It infects every part of your being.

00:22:28.000 But you stay very positive, right?

00:22:31.000 You seem like...

00:22:35.000 Nothing can stop you.

00:22:37.000 I try to stay positive.

00:22:38.000 I mean, I'm affected like everybody else is.

00:22:41.000 I was down during the pandemic.

00:22:43.000 It bothered the shit out of me.

00:22:45.000 But we came through it on the other end, and I think people have more resolve now.

00:22:49.000 I think generally the general public has, at least a good percentage of the general public, has a healthy distrust now for bullshit.

00:22:56.000 Certainly your listeners.

00:22:58.000 Yeah.

00:22:59.000 Now, but after that Robert Malone thing happened, I was really curious.

00:23:03.000 I was wanting to contact you, and I didn't, but I was just curious how, because, man, I've never seen anyone take more body blows, but I've got to say, it was cool.

00:23:14.000 They, like, stood behind you.

00:23:16.000 Is it Spotify?

00:23:17.000 Yeah.

00:23:17.000 Yeah, Spotify.

00:23:19.000 Well, fortunately, they're not American. 1.00

00:23:21.000 It's not an American company.

00:23:23.000 Oh.

00:23:24.000 Yeah, they're in Sweden.

00:23:24.000 Where are they from?

00:23:25.000 Sweden.

00:23:27.000 Oh.

00:23:27.000 Yeah.

00:23:28.000 So they're like, eh, we're not buying it.

00:23:33.000 Also, the show was big enough where they were like, why would we pull this thing off the air?

00:23:38.000 Let's hang in there and see what happens.

00:23:40.000 And it just kept getting bigger.

00:23:41.000 And so they were realizing that the people were basically on the side of free distribution of information.

00:23:47.000 And they didn't buy it.

00:23:49.000 But there was two...

00:23:50.000 It was two guys, Peter McCullough and Robert Malone.

00:23:52.000 Those are the ones.

00:23:53.000 And then there was like some fucking...

00:23:55.000 Oh yeah, Peter McCullough.

00:23:56.000 Boy, he took a lot of hits.

00:23:57.000 He did.

00:23:58.000 Big time during...

00:23:58.000 Most published doctor in human history in his particular field of study.

00:24:04.000 I mean, he's well-respected, rock-solid, credentialed.

00:24:09.000 And it was one of his videos I tried to send right after I got it.

00:24:12.000 I tried to send to people.

00:24:14.000 No.

00:24:15.000 They were so quick.

00:24:17.000 I've never seen such quick...

00:24:20.000 Censorship or editing, you know, almost impressive, you know.

00:24:25.000 It was creepy.

00:24:26.000 What was it like in Hollywood having your perspective, your healthy distrust of what was going on, where everybody was sort of in lockstep with whatever the government propaganda was?

00:24:38.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:24:40.000 Well, you know, I mean, I don't know how many sets you visited, but everybody was like, you know, in mass.

00:24:46.000 Yeah.

00:24:47.000 And then there'd be different zones.

00:24:49.000 Yeah.

00:24:50.000 And then, you know, the closer you get to the actual set where the shooting is, and then that red zone, people, put your mask on!

00:24:58.000 And I was just like, I never bought it.

00:25:01.000 And I, you know, I never bought it from the beginning.

00:25:05.000 I'm just like, I don't...

00:25:08.000 This doesn't feel right.

00:25:10.000 I'm supposed to wear a mask, but I haven't been sick.

00:25:14.000 Now, at this point, right now, I haven't been sick in eight years.

00:25:20.000 Well, back then was whatever, six years.

00:25:23.000 But it was just like I knew, well, no, I'm doing the math.

00:25:27.000 But you know what I mean.

00:25:28.000 It had been a long time since I'd been sick.

00:25:30.000 And I'm like, I don't feel like I need to wear a mask.

00:25:36.000 I would just not wear a mask, you know, but everybody else on the set's wearing a mask, which is very discomforting because, you know, you can't even relate to people so well without seeing their face.

00:25:49.000 It's very weird.

00:25:50.000 It was very weird.

00:25:51.000 Very strange time.

00:25:53.000 Yeah, the strangest.

00:25:54.000 And it didn't make any sense.

00:25:56.000 And there was also this narrative that if you weren't vaccinated, the virus was going to hunt you down.

00:26:01.000 They keep saying that.

00:26:02.000 The virus will find you.

00:26:04.000 If you're not vaccinated, the virus will hunt you down.

00:26:08.000 And you're like, what the fuck are you talking about?

00:26:11.000 It's so funny.

00:26:14.000 I did a video.

00:26:16.000 Oh, I wish I had it with me.

00:26:19.000 Well, maybe Ilya's out there, my assistant.

00:26:22.000 Maybe she could pull it up for you.

00:26:24.000 Is it online?

00:26:25.000 No, but I did.

00:26:26.000 It's 11 seconds.

00:26:28.000 Yeah, she's listening.

00:26:29.000 Hopefully she'll look at it.

00:26:30.000 But it's like, I take inhale and hit a pot, right?

00:26:39.000 And then I put on my mask.

00:26:40.000 And blow it right through the mask.

00:26:41.000 And I exhale.

00:26:42.000 No, it just comes out every, right?

00:26:47.000 And every exhale, and by the way, hundreds of times heavier than like a virus.

00:26:53.000 Right.

00:26:53.000 Right?

00:26:54.000 So viruses don't just, you know, the concept, people have, for people saying, you know, trust in science, very unscientific concepts.

00:27:04.000 Yeah.

00:27:04.000 And Fauci, anyway, in the beginning, said, no, we don't need to wear a mask.

00:27:09.000 And then someone said, no, you do.

00:27:11.000 Oh, we do.

00:27:12.000 We should wear a mask.

00:27:15.000 Yeah, so silly, that mask, man.

00:27:19.000 Just something about it felt like, you know, it was just like Big Brother won.

00:27:26.000 Big Brother won.

00:27:28.000 They won a battle.

00:27:29.000 But I think ultimately that's what's going to cost them the war.

00:27:33.000 I think the lessons learned from that.

00:27:35.000 What do you think Bobby's going to be able to accomplish anything?

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00:29:25.000 That's rocketmoney.com slash J-R-E. Rocketmoney.com slash JRE. Rocketmoney.com slash JRE. Well, one big one that he wants to accomplish is to remove this liability waiver for vaccines.

00:29:44.000 Yeah.

00:29:45.000 And to make them go through real trials.

00:29:49.000 And how do you think that's going to get through Congress?

00:29:52.000 We're going to find out.

00:29:53.000 Come on, dude.

00:29:54.000 We're going to find out.

00:29:55.000 There's no way that gets through Congress.

00:29:57.000 We'll see.

00:29:58.000 You know, we'll see.

00:29:59.000 We'll see what the resistance is.

00:30:01.000 But every one of those guys is getting money from Big Pharma.

00:30:04.000 A lot of them are.

00:30:05.000 Certainly all the Democrats.

00:30:07.000 People are paying attention now, and they will get primaried, and I think they're aware of that.

00:30:10.000 So I think there's a vulnerability for their entire career.

00:30:13.000 If people find out that they weren't willing to do this in the face of overwhelming evidence, you know?

00:30:20.000 Like Bobby was just talking about the hepatitis vaccine, that they were saying that the hepatitis B vaccine, they were having a hard time selling it.

00:30:29.000 They all of a sudden start saying, don't worry about it.

00:30:31.000 We're going to prescribe it for children.

00:30:33.000 And they put it on the vaccine schedule for children.

00:30:35.000 And they did that just because they were having a hard time.

00:30:37.000 Because the only time you get hepatitis B is from dirty needles and risky sex.

00:30:42.000 And people are like, I don't...

00:30:44.000 Not that fucking thing.

00:30:46.000 And so they're like, nobody was saying it.

00:30:47.000 You want to stand by that statement?

00:30:48.000 Those are the only times you get hepatitis B. I think that's it.

00:30:52.000 There's just two possibilities.

00:30:54.000 Dirty sex and dirty needles. 0.98

00:30:56.000 Do you know of any other ones?

00:30:57.000 Well, I mean, I think...

00:30:58.000 It's a sexually transmitted disease.

00:31:00.000 Oh, it is?

00:31:00.000 Okay, okay.

00:31:01.000 It's transmitted through intravenous drug use.

00:31:04.000 Okay, then.

00:31:05.000 I didn't know.

00:31:06.000 How do you think you got Hepatitis B? I mean, I just assumed you get run down.

00:31:10.000 Like most sicknesses, you get run down, you get sick.

00:31:13.000 Well, let's Google it.

00:31:13.000 What is the cause of Hepatitis B, Jamie?

00:31:16.000 Infected blood or body fluids?

00:31:18.000 Yeah.

00:31:19.000 That's how you get it.

00:31:20.000 You don't get it as a fucking baby.

00:31:22.000 So injecting babies with it, the only reason why they did that is to sell more Hepatitis B vaccines.

00:31:27.000 Yeah, if the mother has it.

00:31:29.000 Unprotected sex with an infected person, mother to child, during childbirth, breastfeeding if the mother's infected.

00:31:35.000 Yeah.

00:31:36.000 Uh-huh.

00:31:38.000 Tattooing.

00:31:38.000 Dude, you got a lot of avenues you could be.

00:31:41.000 Yeah.

00:31:42.000 I guess.

00:31:43.000 Dirty needles.

00:31:44.000 I guess that falls under dirty needles.

00:31:47.000 Yeah.

00:31:47.000 But anyway, I just wonder that, you know, it's just, again, the profiteering, like, why are we not talking about profiteering?

00:31:57.000 That should be on everyone's lips.

00:31:59.000 Exactly.

00:32:00.000 That's what it's all about.

00:32:01.000 That's all the woes and ills of our society.

00:32:05.000 It's people emphasizing profit over humanity.

00:32:10.000 That's really what it is.

00:32:11.000 Yeah.

00:32:12.000 That's really what it is.

00:32:13.000 Yeah.

00:32:13.000 I agree.

00:32:14.000 Yeah, and it's also, it's like, It's this fucking disgustingly short-sighted approach because you don't live that long.

00:32:23.000 To live your life just profiteering off of the expense of other people's suffering is so crazy.

00:32:29.000 When you've got 80 years of your lucky, you've got 80 summers, 80 summers, 80 spins around the sun, and you're going to fucking sell people out for some money that you're never going to have enough of anyway.

00:32:44.000 All those cocksuckers, they all want more. 1.00

00:32:46.000 It never ends.

00:32:48.000 They all want a bigger yacht.

00:32:49.000 They all wanted this.

00:32:50.000 They all wanted that.

00:32:51.000 There was always something.

00:32:52.000 It never ends.

00:32:54.000 And somehow or another, we let them get away with it because we're profiting as well.

00:32:58.000 That's hard.

00:32:59.000 I was wondering about, like, billionaires.

00:33:01.000 You've got to figure there's a certain hierarchy of billionaires, right?

00:33:05.000 Oh, yeah.

00:33:05.000 And so even if you're a billionaire and you're thinking, well, that guy, he's good.

00:33:10.000 He's made it, right?

00:33:11.000 Nope.

00:33:11.000 Well, no.

00:33:12.000 I want to be the richest guy.

00:33:14.000 Yeah.

00:33:14.000 I mean, I don't know.

00:33:16.000 I guess it never does end in a way.

00:33:18.000 Well, if that's what your game is, right?

00:33:20.000 So if your game is just numbers, you're never going to be satisfied.

00:33:24.000 You know, if your game is just numbers, you're always going to look at the other people.

00:33:29.000 Like my friend Brian has a friend that has $3 billion and he says he hangs out with his billionaire friends and he feels poor because they have $30 billion.

00:33:38.000 Like, you know, crazy.

00:33:40.000 Imagine having $3 billion and feeling poor.

00:33:44.000 But I can kind of understand the thought.

00:33:47.000 I mean, it's stupid.

00:33:49.000 The poor white trash part of the group. 1.00

00:33:53.000 Only three bills.

00:33:55.000 Poor bastard.

00:33:56.000 How does he even buy a country?

00:33:58.000 How do it even affect elections with three billion dollars?

00:34:01.000 That's nothing.

00:34:01.000 Yeah.

00:34:02.000 That's weird.

00:34:03.000 Local elections.

00:34:04.000 Well, I mean, this is just a symptom of the moral decay of our society.

00:34:11.000 That, you know, we don't have a...

00:34:14.000 We're going to have a moral and ethical framework.

00:34:17.000 We're going to have a moral and ethical structure that we operate under.

00:34:22.000 And too many people are just motivated by my money instead of humanity, instead of looking at people as like a community.

00:34:29.000 We're all a community of people and you can still...

00:34:33.000 Profit, and you can still make money, but making more money at the expense of people's lives and suffering should be the most abhorrent thing that we could possibly imagine, especially if you're already wealthy.

00:34:45.000 That should be absolutely disgusting to us, and that it's condoned and just accepted, and you shrug your shoulders.

00:34:53.000 That's what people do.

00:34:54.000 Well, I think the majority of people agree with you 100% on that.

00:34:59.000 And the majority of people have a very humane and compassionate view of others, you know.

00:35:06.000 But there are those people who are just, you know, it's like you say, it's a numbers game.

00:35:12.000 Yeah.

00:35:13.000 And unfortunately, war makes people really...

00:35:19.000 Rich.

00:35:20.000 I mean, I guess, I don't know, Big Pharma would be the number one industry, but not far behind it's got to be the weapons industry.

00:35:33.000 And it's just like, why are these...

00:35:37.000 If you even get away from why are these wars happening or are they justified, why are they making that much profit off of these wars?

00:35:49.000 Strange.

00:35:50.000 Yeah.

00:35:51.000 That bothers me.

00:35:52.000 I get sleepless over that.

00:35:54.000 It should.

00:35:55.000 Especially because the United States has just done, you know, World War II, okay, I give you that one. 0.57

00:36:02.000 But I certainly don't give you the Korean War over the potential domino theory, which was absurd.

00:36:09.000 The same theory.

00:36:10.000 So four million people die in Korea.

00:36:16.000 Three and a half million in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia.

00:36:20.000 They started carpet bombing in Laos, you know, which is everything in a two-mile radius, presumed dead.

00:36:27.000 Yeah.

00:36:27.000 You know, what we've done throughout Central, South America, all over the world, we've become masters of war, but, like, toward what end?

00:36:37.000 To help those rich people get richer!

00:36:39.000 Yeah.

00:36:40.000 It's like, I would understand if it's a justifiable, you know, you have to stop Hitler, Mussolini, I get it. 0.91

00:36:48.000 Yeah.

00:36:48.000 But, you know, come on.

00:36:50.000 It's crazy that it all really boils down to that.

00:36:53.000 It really boils down to a lot of his people profiting.

00:36:56.000 You know?

00:36:58.000 I always have said that if war weren't so lucrative, there'd be a lot less of it.

00:37:04.000 Yeah.

00:37:05.000 You know?

00:37:05.000 No doubt.

00:37:06.000 Sometimes just the war itself, it's...

00:37:08.000 That's a moneymaker. 0.99

00:37:10.000 Yeah, but it's like, how do you fucking do that?

00:37:12.000 What do you got there, fella?

00:37:13.000 I brought this for you, man.

00:37:15.000 What is it?

00:37:16.000 It's a very nice Northern California.

00:37:20.000 Wow.

00:37:21.000 You know, I have a dispensary in LA. Oh, do you?

00:37:24.000 Yeah, called The Woods.

00:37:26.000 It's phenomenal.

00:37:27.000 It's the most beautiful dispensary in the world.

00:37:29.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:37:30.000 I remember when it was completely, totally illegal, and then you had to have a medical card.

00:37:37.000 Right.

00:37:38.000 And you just say you had a headache.

00:37:40.000 That's all you have to say.

00:37:42.000 You got back pain.

00:37:43.000 You got a headache.

00:37:44.000 You can get a subscription or prescription rather.

00:37:46.000 And then it became legal.

00:37:48.000 But just in 2016. It's not here.

00:37:50.000 No.

00:37:50.000 It's decriminalized.

00:37:51.000 It needs to be legal in Texas.

00:37:52.000 It should be.

00:37:53.000 Well, it should be federally legal.

00:37:54.000 This could be such a – this state is so great anyway.

00:37:59.000 We could change everything if Texas was legal.

00:38:03.000 Well, the whole country should be legal.

00:38:05.000 Yeah.

00:38:05.000 The idea that America, the land of the free, criminalizes the use of a plant that's never killed anybody is fucking crazy.

00:38:12.000 It's legislating morality and it's an odd morality anyway because most people believe you should be able to smoke if you want.

00:38:19.000 Not only that, it's a morality that's based off...

00:38:22.000 Bullshit about profiteering from the 1930s.

00:38:25.000 So it's propaganda from the 1930s that's still working today, 90 years later, which is really crazy.

00:38:32.000 Yeah.

00:38:33.000 That's the craziest part of it.

00:38:34.000 And really the only reason why it picked up steam is because they needed to put people to work after they had stopped banning alcohol.

00:38:41.000 So Prohibition ended.

00:38:42.000 Everybody's like, what do we do now?

00:38:44.000 Well, let's fucking go after marijuana. 1.00

00:38:46.000 And then you get Harry Anslinger, William Randolph Hearst, and they're all profiting from it, and they're all fucking...

00:38:51.000 And make the marijuana movies like Reefer Madness and everyone's gonna go crazy.

00:38:56.000 And to this day, there's a lot of people who believe that.

00:38:58.000 They think it makes you lazy, it makes you stupid.

00:39:02.000 It really is.

00:39:03.000 Although, I would say my stupid quotient.

00:39:08.000 I'm dipped down to a noodle.

00:39:11.000 No, but I agree with you.

00:39:13.000 I think that, yeah, like Anslinger, nobody knows about that.

00:39:16.000 How this guy went all over the place and got governments all over the world to make, you know, declare this the enemy drug.

00:39:27.000 But, you know, like I really just believe, you know, there's such a thing as a consensual crime, which is victimless crimes.

00:39:35.000 So if I'm smoking a joint, well, a lot of it's like the vaccine.

00:39:39.000 If I'm smoking a joint, how does that hurt you?

00:39:42.000 Right.

00:39:43.000 What am I doing to hurt you?

00:39:45.000 If you drive and fall asleep at the wheel and slide into a school bus.

00:39:47.000 Well, that's one thing, of course.

00:39:49.000 But there's already laws for that.

00:39:50.000 Okay, yeah, but that's another...

00:39:53.000 Okay, outside of the driving world, I don't see how I'm hurting you.

00:39:57.000 Outside of the driving world, that's really the end of it.

00:39:59.000 And if I'm not getting my job done, then fire me.

00:40:03.000 Right.

00:40:03.000 Okay?

00:40:04.000 So there's...

00:40:05.000 It just...

00:40:06.000 There's no...

00:40:07.000 And by the way, most people do agree with this, but when you have, like, Over 70% of the people in jail are there for victimless crimes, mostly drug-related crimes.

00:40:20.000 Well, then we go back to another thing, profiteering, because we have private prisons, which is crazy.

00:40:27.000 We're essentially taking human beings and you're using them as batteries to generate money.

00:40:32.000 That's really what you're doing.

00:40:34.000 The more people you get in there, the more profit you're pulling out of it, which is just crazy.

00:40:38.000 So then you have prison guard unions that are lobbying to keep laws on the books.

00:40:44.000 Victimless crimes on the books, like marijuana.

00:40:48.000 Yeah.

00:40:49.000 It's ridiculous.

00:40:49.000 I imagine there's a lot of unions pushing it.

00:40:52.000 But, you know, I didn't know until I saw the 13th.

00:40:55.000 Is that what it was called?

00:40:56.000 That movie?

00:40:58.000 13th Amendment?

00:40:59.000 It was about the 13th Amendment?

00:41:01.000 I didn't know about the...

00:41:03.000 What's it called?

00:41:05.000 There's a movie, I think it's called The 13th, if I'm not wrong.

00:41:10.000 Yeah.

00:41:10.000 Is that right?

00:41:12.000 Yeah, he's...

00:41:14.000 Anyway, it...

00:41:15.000 Oh, there it is.

00:41:17.000 Yeah.

00:41:17.000 That's the first time I really thought about, in spite of being around prisons, you know, much of my life, I'd never thought about the fact that they're...

00:41:27.000 that that's just...

00:41:31.000 They're making them work.

00:41:33.000 It's just slave labor. 1.00

00:41:35.000 Exactly.

00:41:36.000 Yeah.

00:41:37.000 Making them work.

00:41:38.000 I'd never thought about it.

00:41:39.000 Slave labor for an insanely small amount of money.

00:41:43.000 And they keep them locked up and they produce things.

00:41:46.000 Yeah.

00:41:48.000 Well, you watch that, you believe it for sure.

00:41:51.000 Did you see that?

00:41:52.000 No, I didn't say it.

00:41:53.000 I'm aware of the laws, though.

00:41:55.000 I mean, I'm aware of that's a lot of where the Jim Crow laws came from.

00:41:59.000 When they abolished slavery, what they did was just arrest people for basically anything and put them to work. 0.59

00:42:05.000 I mean, that was the modus operandi.

00:42:08.000 Yeah, which is, I guess that's when all the 13th started was back then, as a part of the Jim Crow laws. 0.58

00:42:15.000 Again, it all goes to the same thing, profit.

00:42:17.000 And ironically, a lot of this lack of compassion...

00:42:21.000 Could be solved with psychedelics.

00:42:24.000 A lot of it.

00:42:25.000 A lot of it.

00:42:26.000 Where people expand their consciousness, understand that what they're doing is morally reprehensible, and even though you can sort of justify it because it's legal, it's disgusting.

00:42:36.000 We should change those laws.

00:42:37.000 Those laws don't make any sense because it's written on paper.

00:42:40.000 Doesn't mean it's just.

00:42:42.000 Doesn't mean it makes sense for logical, rational people.

00:42:45.000 I agree.

00:42:46.000 It'd be nice to get some acid in the punch bowl at some kind of congressional, you know.

00:42:51.000 Well, consensually.

00:42:53.000 Man, consensual?

00:42:55.000 I mean, you're not going to get all those guys who needed to agree to it.

00:42:58.000 So I'm just saying, throw a little in the punch bowl.

00:43:01.000 They're all going by the punch bowl.

00:43:03.000 Do you know who Graham Hancock is?

00:43:06.000 He's an expert on ancient history, like a kind of a renegade historian.

00:43:13.000 He's got a sort of alternative version of ancient society, ancient civilizations.

00:43:23.000 He has a podcast?

00:43:28.000 Two seasons of a series called Ancient Apocalypse on Netflix.

00:43:32.000 It's really amazing.

00:43:34.000 Basically, his field of study is the evidence that human beings and human civilization has gone through a reset.

00:43:42.000 And that somewhere around 12,000 years ago, and this is all supported by this theory called the Younger Dryas Impact Theory, where they found evidence that the Earth was bombarded by comets at more than two different times in history that probably reset civilization.

00:44:01.000 And that this is probably why you see ancient structures that people can't explain, and these stone buildings that have incredibly complex geometry.

00:44:13.000 Oh, yeah.

00:44:14.000 Like at the World Fair in Chicago, like, they had all those buildings.

00:44:19.000 That's a little different.

00:44:21.000 Are you talking about that?

00:44:21.000 No, that's a little different.

00:44:22.000 I'm talking about, like, ancient Egypt.

00:44:24.000 You're talking about super ancient.

00:44:25.000 I'm talking about, like, Turkey, you know, I'm talking about, like, Gobekli Tepe and these ancient structures they found that are absolutely 11,000-plus years old, where people are supposed to be just hunter and gatherers, and that we had thought up until, you know, the last 40 or 50 years.

00:44:41.000 That society emerged around 6,000 years ago in Mesopotamia.

00:44:46.000 What he believes is that that is a re-emergence of society and that society had already reached a very high level of sophistication around 12,000 years ago and that something happened, some sort of gigantic cataclysm and reset things.

00:45:00.000 But Graham is also an enthusiast of ayahuasca and the power of psychedelic medicine and he has often said that To run governments, it should be mandatory that you have psychedelic sessions.

00:45:15.000 Right.

00:45:15.000 And you should probably do it publicly.

00:45:19.000 Publicly.

00:45:20.000 So you really find out.

00:45:22.000 You know?

00:45:23.000 I mean, imagine getting Lindsey Graham fucked up on mushrooms and then filming them. 0.93

00:45:27.000 Oh, I'd love to see that.

00:45:29.000 It would be amazing.

00:45:30.000 What I would give to see that.

00:45:32.000 Oh, it would be amazing.

00:45:33.000 But it would be nice if they had a little more.

00:45:37.000 Because...

00:45:37.000 It's almost, those drugs that you're talking about are just like, it's like the universal, God's little helper.

00:45:45.000 Yeah.

00:45:46.000 To help you see how the world really works.

00:45:48.000 Yeah, God's little helper.

00:45:49.000 The illusory nature of what it is we're experiencing.

00:45:52.000 Yeah.

00:45:53.000 And to come from the heart.

00:45:54.000 Yes.

00:45:55.000 Yeah.

00:45:56.000 Yeah, they encourage compassion.

00:45:59.000 Encourage kindness and love.

00:46:01.000 We need a lot more of that in this world.

00:46:04.000 And that's the problem with being so politically and ideologically divided.

00:46:09.000 It's so easy because people are so tribal.

00:46:12.000 It's so easy to hate the other tribe. 0.99

00:46:14.000 The other people are the enemy.

00:46:15.000 And so we've got this bizarre thing where we're supposed to be a community, but we're a two-sided community.

00:46:21.000 And one side hates the other side.

00:46:22.000 And whoever's in power, those people are the problem.

00:46:27.000 That is such a weird part of the human, you know, nature or whatever you want to call it.

00:46:34.000 Psychology.

00:46:35.000 And I noticed just the other day, there was some dude, like, I can't remember what the context was, but I remember he kind of came into my zone and I thought, look at this fucking guy, man.

00:46:49.000 He's such an asshole, you know?

00:46:51.000 I could just tell.

00:46:52.000 You could just feel it, you know?

00:46:53.000 And then I thought, Woody, why are you...

00:46:56.000 You've got nothing that tells you that that's true, you know?

00:47:01.000 Right.

00:47:01.000 Other than maybe you're jealous because he's more handsome than you are.

00:47:06.000 But anyway, so I go, how you doing?

00:47:10.000 And he smiles, and I'm like, this guy's incredible, you know?

00:47:15.000 All you need to do sometimes is just...

00:47:19.000 Generate a smile on that other person who you think is an asshole's face, and suddenly they're a kid.

00:47:26.000 You're using your kid juice to interact.

00:47:31.000 Well, that's like the importance of charisma, right?

00:47:35.000 Because a person isn't exactly who they are.

00:47:38.000 They're who they are when they interact with you.

00:47:40.000 And however you interact with them will affect the way they interact with you.

00:47:46.000 It's a two-way street.

00:47:48.000 What sort of interactions?

00:47:50.000 If they see a frown on your face, then inevitably there's a frown on their face.

00:47:55.000 Inevitably, yeah.

00:47:56.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:47:56.000 But smiles generate smiles.

00:47:58.000 And if you think about it, that is the easiest energy-generating thing, is another person's smile.

00:48:07.000 Sure.

00:48:08.000 And getting you to smile.

00:48:09.000 And common ground.

00:48:11.000 And I think that's the problem with the media.

00:48:16.000 And with political ideologies is that there's no currency in common ground.

00:48:22.000 The currency is all in division.

00:48:25.000 That's where you can gain the most momentum, get the most people on your side.

00:48:29.000 You have to say the other people are the enemy.

00:48:31.000 Common ground is much more common.

00:48:33.000 Most people agree.

00:48:34.000 Most people want to be safe.

00:48:36.000 They want to be healthy.

00:48:37.000 They want to be happy.

00:48:38.000 They want to have friends.

00:48:40.000 They want to have a good time.

00:48:41.000 They want to have a nice family.

00:48:42.000 They want to be loved.

00:48:43.000 They want to have love.

00:48:44.000 That's most people.

00:48:45.000 And they think that the other people are trying to prevent that.

00:48:48.000 Instead of just accentuating those important factors and saying we should all concentrate on that, then we should all look at things that prevent that.

00:48:57.000 What are the things that prevent happiness and love and health?

00:49:01.000 Let's all work collectively together to eliminate those aspects of our society.

00:49:07.000 Yeah.

00:49:08.000 The problem is you don't make a lot of profit doing that.

00:49:12.000 You know?

00:49:13.000 The profit is in the division.

00:49:15.000 The media does push the divide, for sure.

00:49:18.000 The media's bullshit.

00:49:19.000 First of all, they're dying.

00:49:21.000 They're dying like AM radio.

00:49:22.000 They're not gonna make it.

00:49:24.000 They're not gonna make it.

00:49:25.000 The internet is more compelling, and independent journalism is more accurate.

00:49:30.000 And it's gonna be more and more...

00:49:32.000 Are you sure that's not a subjective vantage point, Joe?

00:49:35.000 It's certainly subjective.

00:49:37.000 Yeah, it's certainly subjective.

00:49:39.000 All your vantage points are subjective.

00:49:40.000 Yes, everything's subjective.

00:49:42.000 It's definitely subjective.

00:49:43.000 But listen, I think there are very good people that work in journalism.

00:49:47.000 I think there are very good people that work at the New York Times, the Washington Post, and even in CNN. I know them.

00:49:52.000 I know people that work at CNN, and I like them.

00:49:54.000 I know people that work at the New York Times, and I like them very much.

00:49:58.000 The problem is the institution.

00:49:59.000 And the institution is based on profit.

00:50:02.000 And where do you get your money?

00:50:04.000 Well, you get a lot of your money from pharmaceutical drug companies, from NGOs.

00:50:09.000 There's funding from all these different political groups.

00:50:15.000 That's the problem.

00:50:16.000 The problem is enormous entities that need incredible amounts of capital in order to stay relevant.

00:50:21.000 And in doing so, what's crazy is if you're in the information business, well, you can't be accurate.

00:50:27.000 You cannot be accurate about the distribution of information if your profits are based on you pushing a bullshit narrative because those are the people that are supporting you.

00:50:37.000 So therefore they're not going to make it.

00:50:40.000 It's like you see the writing on the wall.

00:50:42.000 It's like this is not tenable.

00:50:43.000 You're not going to be able to continue this.

00:50:44.000 You're going to either have to adjust course or you're going to be swallowed.

00:50:48.000 And that's what people – like people realize that now with the internet.

00:50:53.000 When you got people like Matt Taibbi and Michael Schellenberger and Glenn Greenwald, respected journalists who are now on the outside.

00:51:02.000 And so now they've amassed this huge following on the outside because, you know...

00:51:08.000 If you go to Glenn Greenwald, he's going to tell you what's actually going on.

00:51:11.000 Why are we invading this?

00:51:13.000 Why are we bombing this country?

00:51:15.000 What is going on?

00:51:15.000 And he'll tell you it all goes back to 2013 when this was passed and this is what happened and they tried to do this and this is what we're trying to do because there's oil here or there's minerals there and you're like, oh, fuck.

00:51:28.000 But most people don't have the time to do that kind of a deep dive.

00:51:31.000 So you turn on CNN and CNN says, safe and effective.

00:51:34.000 Have you gotten your knife booster?

00:51:36.000 Get your knife booster!

00:51:39.000 The fucking anchors are blacking out on TV and it's like, wow!

00:51:45.000 They're in a trap.

00:51:46.000 They're in a trap.

00:51:47.000 First of all, they're in a trap because of the actual...

00:51:50.000 Format of the show sucks, right?

00:51:52.000 Format of television shows suck.

00:51:54.000 You have three talking heads yelling at each other five minutes before commercial.

00:51:58.000 Everyone's trying to get a sound bite that goes viral.

00:52:01.000 And then you cut to a commercial about antidepressants.

00:52:04.000 And then you come back.

00:52:07.000 You come back and there's a flood and there's fucking Detroit's frozen.

00:52:11.000 Do you see that shit in Detroit?

00:52:13.000 Well, they had a flood, and then it froze, and so you got cars, like, up to the fucking windshield, frozen solid in the streets, and car alarms going off.

00:52:20.000 Oh, no, I haven't seen that.

00:52:21.000 Yeah, it happened yesterday.

00:52:22.000 There was some sort of a water main line broke, probably because of the cold, and then the streets flooded, and then the streets, when they flooded, then they froze, and so all these cars, like, literally up to the windshield, stuck, see if you can find it.

00:52:37.000 It's crazy to look at.

00:52:38.000 Like, look at this.

00:52:39.000 Entire streets.

00:52:41.000 Filled.

00:52:41.000 Oh my god.

00:52:43.000 And if you watch a video of it, all the car alarms are going off.

00:52:46.000 So the car alarms are going off and all the cars are frozen.

00:52:50.000 Give me some...

00:52:50.000 Well, you can hear it if you put your microphone.

00:52:53.000 Yeah, put your headphones on.

00:52:55.000 Oh, that is wild, man.

00:53:00.000 So everybody's fucking car alarms going off because the car's getting crunched.

00:53:04.000 So the cars are getting disturbed, so they're getting crunched.

00:53:06.000 The cars think that people are breaking into them.

00:53:09.000 Minus 70 degrees.

00:53:10.000 As if Detroit doesn't have enough fucking problems!

00:53:13.000 Poor Detroit!

00:53:16.000 Crazy.

00:53:17.000 Yeah, but Detroit's been doing so well lately.

00:53:21.000 It's really...

00:53:22.000 I went there not long ago.

00:53:23.000 They're making a comeback.

00:53:24.000 It was phenomenal.

00:53:26.000 They're making a comeback.

00:53:26.000 I'm like, wow, what a fun place.

00:53:29.000 Well, you know what?

00:53:29.000 The artists kind of took it over, and it just became...

00:53:33.000 It's pretty groovy.

00:53:34.000 Artists and artisans and companies that are proud, like Shinola, that company.

00:53:39.000 Yeah, that's my buddy, Tom Kartsotis.

00:53:41.000 Oh, they're great.

00:53:42.000 Do you know him?

00:53:43.000 No, I don't, but I bought their stuff.

00:53:44.000 He's one of the great humans on this planet.

00:53:47.000 He started Shinola.

00:53:48.000 Yeah.

00:53:49.000 Shinola's a great company.

00:53:51.000 It's a great company.

00:53:51.000 I have one of their laptop bags.

00:53:53.000 And he's an incredible guy.

00:53:54.000 They make awesome stuff.

00:53:55.000 They make great watches, great stuff, but made in Detroit, like, proudly.

00:53:59.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:54:00.000 And they got the record player that he did with, you know, Mike...

00:54:06.000 Mike...

00:54:09.000 You know, the...

00:54:10.000 Mike White.

00:54:12.000 No.

00:54:12.000 Jack White?

00:54:13.000 Jack White.

00:54:13.000 Oh.

00:54:14.000 I knew that wasn't right.

00:54:15.000 I couldn't.

00:54:16.000 Mike White makes White Lotus.

00:54:18.000 Yeah, no.

00:54:19.000 Jack White.

00:54:20.000 Yeah.

00:54:20.000 And they also do vinyl.

00:54:22.000 They make all these vinyl.

00:54:24.000 Oh, that's cool.

00:54:24.000 Those guys do cool stuff, man.

00:54:26.000 Yeah.

00:54:27.000 Well, last time I was in Detroit, I did the Fox Theater, and I saw a lot of that, too.

00:54:31.000 A lot of, like, small shops and cool places, and, you know, because real estate's cheap.

00:54:36.000 So people are moving in, and artists are doing things, and it's fun.

00:54:40.000 It's like a little bit of a revival after they got fucked by the auto industry.

00:54:45.000 Well, yeah, for sure.

00:54:47.000 More profiteering, right?

00:54:48.000 Sent all the fucking jobs to other countries because you can get people to work for slave labor. 0.94

00:54:52.000 Yeah.

00:54:52.000 And now they're dealing with this incredible ice flood.

00:54:59.000 Yeah.

00:54:59.000 I think that's a small, isolated area, but still pretty fucked.

00:55:03.000 Yeah.

00:55:05.000 Oh, go fig.

00:55:07.000 Are you still in L.A.? Where do you live?

00:55:09.000 Dude, I'm in Austin right here with you.

00:55:11.000 Yeah, you are.

00:55:12.000 Where do you live, though?

00:55:13.000 Where do you spend most of your time?

00:55:15.000 No, I live in Austin.

00:55:17.000 Oh, do you?

00:55:17.000 I live in Austin.

00:55:18.000 I didn't know you lived here.

00:55:19.000 Yeah, I live in the Drip.

00:55:21.000 Oh, nice.

00:55:22.000 Dripping Springs is great.

00:55:23.000 I love it out there.

00:55:24.000 That's a nice place.

00:55:26.000 That's a nice area.

00:55:27.000 No, I'm determined you and I are going to have to hang out sometime socially.

00:55:32.000 Let's do it.

00:55:32.000 I would love to do that.

00:55:33.000 Let's do it.

00:55:34.000 Yeah?

00:55:34.000 Yeah, fuck yeah.

00:55:35.000 Well, you don't feel just like you're back against the wall.

00:55:39.000 No, I love you, man.

00:55:40.000 Come on.

00:55:40.000 I'll hang out with you anytime.

00:55:42.000 Great, great.

00:55:42.000 Call me at 2 o'clock in the morning.

00:55:43.000 We'll go meet you somewhere.

00:55:44.000 I don't give a fuck.

00:55:45.000 Okay, perfect.

00:55:46.000 I'll bring you down to my comedy club.

00:55:48.000 Oh, yeah.

00:55:48.000 Oh, right.

00:55:48.000 I bought a comedy club on 6th Street.

00:55:50.000 What's it called?

00:55:51.000 Comedy Mothership.

00:55:52.000 Yeah, I'd like to do that.

00:55:54.000 It's fun.

00:55:55.000 It's a great place.

00:55:55.000 My buddy Jimmy Dore is there this weekend, who's also great, and he's filming his comedy special there this weekend.

00:56:01.000 Oh, really?

00:56:01.000 Yeah, Jimmy Dore is amazing.

00:56:03.000 He's another guy that's risen as an independent journalist.

00:56:06.000 He's a comedian, and he started his show basically just making fun of political things, and then during the pandemic got vaccine injured and really got kind of red-pilled and kind of became like the voice of truth and reason.

00:56:21.000 And, you know, another guy who's been completely outcast by supposedly progressive people for just telling the truth, the inconvenient truth.

00:56:32.000 But I guess the progressives, are they now the conservatives?

00:56:37.000 We've got to change the term because progressives seem a lot less progressive.

00:56:42.000 Yeah.

00:56:43.000 I really felt quite, you know, during this whole thing.

00:56:47.000 I think they got co-opted.

00:56:47.000 I felt quite, yeah.

00:56:48.000 I think they got co-opted, and I think it was on purpose.

00:56:51.000 I think there was some very sophisticated psychological manipulation that was involved, and a lot of money was being spent in order to push some very specific narratives.

00:57:03.000 And they did a great job of it.

00:57:06.000 They did a great job of it, but we're finding out because of the Department of Government Efficiency that most of this was funded by our own tax dollars, which is really fucking crazy.

00:57:14.000 A lot of these NGOs that supported a lot of these crazy riots.

00:57:18.000 All these different things that were happening in our cities was really supported by our own tax dollars.

00:57:23.000 It was just a subversion of public discourse.

00:57:28.000 Instead of allowing people to figure out what's right and what's wrong, they pushed what they wanted you to say and anybody who deviated from that was canceled.

00:57:37.000 And because of the fact that before Elon bought Twitter, the left had complete total control over the narrative because they owned all the social media sites and they were in lockstep with the government.

00:57:47.000 So it was just a dark time for information, but a few brave people braved the storm, and one of them was Jimmy.

00:57:56.000 Oh, that's good.

00:57:59.000 He's great.

00:57:59.000 You would love him.

00:58:00.000 Shout out to him.

00:58:01.000 He's great.

00:58:01.000 You know, I remember when the guy was...

00:58:06.000 Remember that guy?

00:58:07.000 I think they were in London, maybe, but it was the guy who was, I think, the...

00:58:15.000 He directed one portion of Pfizer and he met with some guy and he had a body cam.

00:58:22.000 The other guy had a body cam.

00:58:24.000 It was like a date on Tinder or something.

00:58:27.000 Oh, it was like one of those Project Veritas, James O'Keefe things.

00:58:30.000 Did you not see it?

00:58:31.000 I'm sure I did.

00:58:32.000 But this is the perfect example of how the Trusted News Initiative managed to...

00:58:38.000 A lot of news just never got to people because...

00:58:42.000 The guy had a body cam and is talking to him and the guy who works for Pfizer is saying they just had a meeting talking about how they could weaponize these other viruses in order to basically create another pandemic so that they would have the vaccine to address it and make more money, which is not a surprising thing that they would be discussing.

00:59:08.000 But what was great was he admitted it to the guy while they're sitting there at our little diner.

00:59:13.000 It's always chatty gay guys.

00:59:14.000 No, but the main thing...

00:59:16.000 Huh?

00:59:16.000 It's always chatty gay guys.

00:59:17.000 It's always a guy on a date with another guy.

00:59:20.000 And it's like, I'll tell you what we're doing.

00:59:22.000 It's like they just chatted up and spilled the beans.

00:59:24.000 But the incredible thing, like he got...

00:59:27.000 The stuff that he said was incredible.

00:59:29.000 Well, it was more incredible.

00:59:32.000 He told the guy, basically, that he'd been filming them.

00:59:35.000 The guy freaks out.

00:59:37.000 Anyway, this should have been across every possible platform of media.

00:59:41.000 Of course.

00:59:42.000 And yet, you did not see it, zero, in mainstream media.

00:59:46.000 But, because Musk had bought...

00:59:49.000 Twitter, Musk put it on, and it immediately got 40 million views.

00:59:53.000 And also, what's his name?

00:59:55.000 Tucker Carlson put it on, and then there was a lot of views that way.

00:59:58.000 But other than that, but if you ask your average person, they never heard of this incident.

01:00:03.000 Yeah.

01:00:03.000 It's like an amazing thing, talking about, what's the term for that?

01:00:08.000 The weaponization of a virus.

01:00:11.000 Do you know?

01:00:13.000 He's looking it up.

01:00:14.000 Term for the weaponization of a virus.

01:00:17.000 Yeah.

01:00:18.000 I don't know.

01:00:20.000 Anyway, they do it.

01:00:23.000 But that's what they think that they were doing in China.

01:00:29.000 100%.

01:00:29.000 Well, that was why you would get banned off of all these social media platforms if you even brought that up.

01:00:35.000 I mean, it used to be if you brought that up on YouTube, you'd get pulled from YouTube.

01:00:40.000 Now it's a fact.

01:00:41.000 Now it's a fact.

01:00:42.000 Now it's an undeniable fact.

01:00:45.000 All the things, like you said about Robert Malone, all the things that he said, Everything.

01:00:50.000 Every single one of them.

01:00:52.000 The fact that the injection doesn't stay locally, that it infects various parts of your body in different ways.

01:00:57.000 If it gets to your heart, it's very dangerous, because your heart doesn't have the ability to heal, which is why you don't get heart cancer.

01:01:02.000 So your heart just scars over, and you get myocarditis.

01:01:05.000 He started talking about all these different effects, and he, personally, was vaccine injured.

01:01:10.000 So he was a guy who took it, almost had a fucking heart attack, was like, what is going on?

01:01:14.000 His whole body freaked out.

01:01:16.000 It was deadly sick.

01:01:18.000 Managed to get through it, then started speaking out against it, then started doing more research and finding out what was going on, and then that was the collective freakout.

01:01:27.000 Well, it's incredible that so many people were injured, and yet it's still kind of not widely discussed.

01:01:40.000 I think people are discussing it.

01:01:42.000 More people are discussing it now, but it's still...

01:01:45.000 It's still—there's a lot of people that don't want to bring it up because they don't want the heat.

01:01:48.000 They saw what happened to people that did bring it up, and they don't want that coming their way.

01:01:52.000 It's still fresh in their memory, and they keep their mouth shut.

01:01:56.000 Yeah.

01:01:56.000 But over time— Did you find out what it was called?

01:02:00.000 Biological warfare?

01:02:01.000 I don't know.

01:02:01.000 No, no.

01:02:02.000 It's a term.

01:02:03.000 It's a term for it, huh?

01:02:04.000 A term?

01:02:05.000 I don't know what the term is.

01:02:06.000 Anyway, it doesn't matter.

01:02:07.000 Yeah.

01:02:07.000 It just—I don't know.

01:02:11.000 It's a crazy time in this world.

01:02:13.000 Yeah.

01:02:15.000 But crazy times are fun, too, because people snap out of it.

01:02:19.000 They pop through it.

01:02:20.000 They come out on the other side and they go, what the fuck was going on?

01:02:23.000 And then you have a reexamining of society.

01:02:28.000 And I think that's happening right now.

01:02:30.000 And I think that's a good thing.

01:02:31.000 As long as people keep their cool and they don't go tribal.

01:02:35.000 You can't go tribal.

01:02:36.000 You can't go us versus them. 0.83

01:02:38.000 They're the bad guys.

01:02:40.000 All those people with blue hair, those fucking pieces of shit. 0.96

01:02:42.000 No, they're sad, lost people.

01:02:45.000 That's what it is.

01:02:46.000 Sad, lost, angry people that think they have to lash out at the other for the problems that is really caused by gigantic corporations and the exchange of money.

01:02:56.000 Yeah.

01:02:57.000 It always comes down.

01:02:59.000 Follow the money.

01:03:01.000 Follow that fucking cheese.

01:03:04.000 Every time.

01:03:05.000 It's always the money.

01:03:07.000 And it's never enough.

01:03:09.000 It's a weird thing about us.

01:03:11.000 And again, I think part of the problem is this lack of methods to escape.

01:03:18.000 And I don't mean escape reality.

01:03:20.000 I mean to escape the fog, the fog of propaganda.

01:03:25.000 And that's – I mean that's literally why all that stuff was made illegal in 1970. Richard Nixon was trying to stop the anti-war effort in the civil rights movement.

01:03:34.000 That's why they turned the Schedule I – the sweeping Schedule I Prohibition Act of all psychedelic drugs.

01:03:42.000 That's what that was about.

01:03:43.000 It wasn't about protecting society.

01:03:45.000 If it was, they would have got rid of OxyContin.

01:03:48.000 They would have got rid of addictive painkillers and Vicodin, Percocets.

01:03:53.000 They never got rid of any of that stuff.

01:03:54.000 They got rid of Big Macs, for that matter.

01:03:57.000 Oh, I know.

01:03:58.000 Listen, I know you're a meat guy.

01:04:00.000 You love meat.

01:04:01.000 But can we say Big Macs are not the greatest thing for you?

01:04:04.000 No, they're not great.

01:04:05.000 They're not great for you.

01:04:06.000 But I feel like you should be able to eat a Big Mac if you want to.

01:04:09.000 Hey, you should be able to do anything if you want to.

01:04:12.000 I wouldn't care if you shot up right now.

01:04:13.000 But that's what I'm saying.

01:04:14.000 Don't get rid of Big Macs.

01:04:16.000 But don't eat them every day, you fucking idiot.

01:04:18.000 It's like I say about Doritos.

01:04:19.000 People are like, oh, we should get Doritos off. 0.81

01:04:21.000 No.

01:04:22.000 Doritos, as they are, are a perfect snack.

01:04:25.000 They're delicious.

01:04:27.000 But they're fucking terrible for you.

01:04:28.000 Just like cigarettes.

01:04:30.000 Just like whiskey.

01:04:31.000 They're terrible for you.

01:04:32.000 But in the moment, they're great.

01:04:35.000 The key is recover and then don't do it every day.

01:04:40.000 That's the key.

01:04:41.000 The key to all things is moderation.

01:04:44.000 All things.

01:04:46.000 I wish you'd have given me this speech like I was 20. You know?

01:04:52.000 It's some precipice after 21. I just started.

01:04:57.000 I became immoderate, you know?

01:05:00.000 In fact, I didn't even smoke pot until I was 21. I didn't smoke pot until I was 30. Oh, really?

01:05:06.000 Yeah.

01:05:07.000 Well, I thought I was going to turn you into a loser. 0.98

01:05:10.000 Yeah.

01:05:10.000 I bought into all of it.

01:05:11.000 I grew up with a lot of people that had drug problems.

01:05:15.000 And I wanted to succeed in life.

01:05:18.000 And my biggest fear was being a loser.

01:05:21.000 You know, just someone who just never got their shit together.

01:05:23.000 And I was like, well, anything that gets in the way of being successful and being healthy and happy, avoid that.

01:05:30.000 And now, what at point did you say to yourself, I'm definitely not a loser?

01:05:35.000 There's no chance of me being a loser.

01:05:37.000 Oh, I don't know if you ever think...

01:05:39.000 I guess I think that now.

01:05:42.000 Or do you sometimes doubt it and say, I'm a loser?

01:05:46.000 Well, I definitely think...

01:05:49.000 I'm very hypercritical.

01:05:51.000 Self-critical.

01:05:52.000 So I battle against that because I think that's something that anybody who strives to be successful battles against.

01:05:59.000 You always feel like you could do more.

01:06:01.000 But there's a balance.

01:06:03.000 Doing more and being happy.

01:06:05.000 Enjoying yourself but also accomplishing things you want to do.

01:06:08.000 Feeling fulfilled.

01:06:10.000 Having worthwhile goals.

01:06:13.000 Things that you think are valuable not just to you but valuable to other people.

01:06:19.000 Yeah.

01:06:20.000 Yeah.

01:06:20.000 And then do you feel like you've...

01:06:23.000 Yeah, I feel like that now.

01:06:24.000 Yeah, but I don't think about it, honestly, because I think if you think about it, then you get lost.

01:06:29.000 Then you get like, look how good I am.

01:06:31.000 You can get really lost in success, or you get intoxicated by that, too.

01:06:37.000 So I think you just got to kind of exist.

01:06:40.000 You got to kind of exist and not feed your insecurities, but also...

01:06:47.000 Don't feed any delusions of grandeur either.

01:06:50.000 You know, just be a person.

01:06:52.000 Just learn how to be a human being.

01:06:54.000 But that's got to be hard for you, dude, because, I mean, you're at the tippy-top of the tippy-top.

01:07:01.000 And everybody's got to be kissing your ass and telling you how great you are.

01:07:06.000 It's got to be hard to not allow your ego to dictate things, you know?

01:07:12.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:07:15.000 I stomp my ego pretty good.

01:07:17.000 I do it with workouts.

01:07:19.000 I do it with martial arts.

01:07:20.000 I do it with cold plunging and saunas.

01:07:22.000 I put myself through voluntary adversity.

01:07:24.000 It's pretty fucking brutal.

01:07:26.000 And that's my best way to achieve homeostasis.

01:07:30.000 That's my best way to achieve a balance.

01:07:33.000 I put myself through way more than life ever gives me.

01:07:38.000 So that I'm always...

01:07:40.000 You know, I get it.

01:07:42.000 You know, you're always vulnerable.

01:07:43.000 You're always weak.

01:07:44.000 You're always late.

01:07:46.000 There's always something.

01:07:47.000 So as long as you confront that all the time, all the time and keep your mind healthy and balanced and have a healthy perspective.

01:07:57.000 You know, there's a lot of like...

01:07:59.000 New-agey sort of bullshit terms that unfortunately have been co-opted by silly people.

01:08:07.000 But a lot of those, like...

01:08:11.000 They're very important, like gratitude.

01:08:14.000 Gratitude is a really important quality that people should have.

01:08:20.000 Mindfulness is a really important quality that people should have.

01:08:24.000 But these things are co-opted by goofy people that wear wooden beads and want you to join their cult.

01:08:31.000 It's like they want you to think that they're special and they're particularly spiritual.

01:08:35.000 And so unfortunately, really good concepts.

01:08:39.000 Are often tainted by silly people, you know?

01:08:44.000 Like, love and God and a lot of the things that are really, like, beneficial to us as a society.

01:08:51.000 They get co-opted by goofy people.

01:08:54.000 Like, how many people have been turned off by religion by watching mega pastors in these huge churches flying around in private jets and driving in Rolls Royces?

01:09:03.000 Like, oh, well, this is all bullshit, you know?

01:09:07.000 Yeah.

01:09:11.000 I had a couple of jokes.

01:09:14.000 Go ahead.

01:09:15.000 I mean, I'm curious.

01:09:19.000 I must know.

01:09:21.000 I must have heard you talk about this, but what is your concept of religious?

01:09:26.000 I mean, do you have a specific religion that you adhere to?

01:09:32.000 Not necessarily.

01:09:35.000 I'm not in favor of any restrictive religions.

01:09:37.000 I'm not in favor of any religions that punish people that don't follow them.

01:09:43.000 And I'm not in favor of any religions that force a very rigid structure on people that has to be adhered to or you're a sinner or cast out.

01:09:56.000 I think that most religious experience – I think most religion is based on human beings' very unique experiences that have provided enlightenment and they're trying to express that enlightenment to other people.

01:10:17.000 And I think the problem with religious stories are that people are full of shit, and a lot of those stories suck.

01:10:25.000 You know, a lot of those stories are probably distorted by the hand of man.

01:10:31.000 I'm of the school of thought that a lot of the religious experiences that people talk about were probably inspired by psychedelic experiences.

01:10:39.000 There's a great book called The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross by John Marco Allegro.

01:10:44.000 Do you know about that book?

01:10:45.000 I've heard of it, but I never read it.

01:10:47.000 It's a great book.

01:10:48.000 It's very hard to follow unless you understand Aramaic, unless you understand the translation of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

01:10:57.000 I'm fluent in Aramaic.

01:10:59.000 Congratulations.

01:11:00.000 Are you really?

01:11:00.000 Yeah.

01:11:01.000 I got Aramaic.

01:11:02.000 I got, obviously, French.

01:11:05.000 I had to learn Spanish when I was working construction in Houston.

01:11:09.000 And then, yeah, I got...

01:11:12.000 Can you hear him with that microphone?

01:11:13.000 I should push that microphone up. 0.92

01:11:14.000 I got some of the click languages.

01:11:17.000 Oh, really?

01:11:17.000 No, I only speak...

01:11:19.000 Only English.

01:11:20.000 Come on, Jay.

01:11:24.000 Well, the John Marco Lego book, he was an ordained minister, but he was one of the people that was assigned to translate the Dead Sea Scrolls, and he did it over the course of, I think it was about 14 years.

01:11:34.000 And then he wrote this book because it was his belief, and he was a very straight-laced scholar.

01:11:39.000 He wasn't a psychedelic enthusiast, but he believed that the entire...

01:11:44.000 Christian religion was based on the consumption of psychedelic mushrooms and fertility rituals And he thinks that a lot of these stories that their origins come from that Really?

01:11:55.000 Yeah, and he believed that a lot of it was the Amanita muscaria mushroom, which is a very confusing mushroom because a lot of people have a hard time tripping on it.

01:12:04.000 Terrence McKenna believed that the problem was that the psychedelic compounds in it varied regionally and genetically, and that they weren't all the same, and that a lot of these people that were having these experiences were not.

01:12:22.000 It really depended upon where you get them from and how you got them and how you treated it.

01:12:27.000 And a lot of that information was lost.

01:12:28.000 And also, like, there's certain religious ceremonies that involved very mysterious things like Soma.

01:12:37.000 You know, Soma from the ancient Hindu texts.

01:12:40.000 They don't know what was in there.

01:12:41.000 They don't know what it was But it seems like it was some sort of a psychedelic compound whether it was a blue lotus and psilocybin Or a combination of many things, you know, like the illicit in mysteries where you know in ancient Greece They believed that that was ergot that ergot was mixed in with the wine ergot which is a very similar experience to LSD Oh, yeah There's a great book on that, too, if you've never read it.

01:13:07.000 It's called The Immortality Key by a scholar named Brian Murorescu, who's a brilliant guy who's been on the podcast a couple times.

01:13:15.000 But he's done a lot of, like, really legitimate work on...

01:13:20.000 Proving that these vessels, these wine containers that they had from these ancient times, they found trace elements of ergot in these wine vessels.

01:13:30.000 And they know that wine back then was not just fermented grapes.

01:13:34.000 They would add a bunch of things to the wine.

01:13:37.000 A little party pleases.

01:13:38.000 Yeah.

01:13:38.000 So these experiences that people would have, they would go to Ulysses.

01:13:42.000 And I went there when I was in Greece a couple years ago.

01:13:45.000 And it's an amazing place, man.

01:13:47.000 When you're there, like, it feels weird.

01:13:50.000 You go to the place where they had these psychedelic rituals.

01:13:52.000 The place has a bizarre memory that you feel when you're there.

01:13:57.000 Because you can literally walk on the grounds where they had these rituals.

01:14:02.000 And you're there and you're like...

01:14:03.000 Whoa, this place feels wild.

01:14:08.000 My kids were like, what's wrong?

01:14:11.000 I'm like, I'm fine.

01:14:13.000 I'm weirded out by this place.

01:14:15.000 I feel it.

01:14:16.000 I feel a bizarre connection with this place.

01:14:18.000 It feels alive.

01:14:20.000 It's like it's humming or something.

01:14:22.000 It was very weird.

01:14:24.000 Very weird.

01:14:24.000 I was touching the rocks and just trying to feel like, what's going on here?

01:14:29.000 It's like thousands of years ago, these people were just tripping balls and inventing democracy right here at this very spot.

01:14:37.000 You know?

01:14:38.000 It's literally the roots of democracy.

01:14:40.000 They had to be tripping to think of something so bold as democracy.

01:14:44.000 Yeah.

01:14:45.000 I mean, it is literally what we were talking about.

01:14:49.000 Like, if you want something that accentuates compassion and this sense of family and brotherhood and sisterhood, that we're all together in this thing, what better than psychedelic drugs?

01:15:01.000 Yeah.

01:15:02.000 And that's why they're illegal.

01:15:05.000 Exactly.

01:15:06.000 It gets in the way of this us-versus-them narrative that is so prevalent in our goofy society that's detached from these sacred compounds.

01:15:18.000 Yeah, the herb, you know, it really is a unifying thing.

01:15:21.000 I've always, from the first time I tried it, you know, I just felt such bond on me, you know.

01:15:27.000 Yeah.

01:15:27.000 Such compassion to everybody around me.

01:15:31.000 Yeah, it makes you kinder.

01:15:32.000 Huh?

01:15:33.000 It makes you kinder.

01:15:34.000 Makes you kinder.

01:15:35.000 Yeah, that's why they call it kind bud.

01:15:37.000 Kind bud.

01:15:38.000 That's probably why they call it that.

01:15:40.000 I have a little of the kind bud.

01:15:43.000 Yeah, no, I like the image of it as just a unifier, you know?

01:15:49.000 Yeah.

01:15:50.000 And so that's what makes me wonder, why does Texas not just say, hey, let's open the doors to this?

01:15:56.000 It's not a bad thing.

01:15:58.000 Yeah.

01:15:58.000 You could have the best cafes in Austin.

01:16:00.000 I know.

01:16:01.000 Yeah, well, it's weird because there's certain weed here that's legal.

01:16:06.000 What is it, Delta 9?

01:16:07.000 Is that the legal stuff or Delta 8?

01:16:09.000 Oh, I know what you're talking about.

01:16:10.000 It's weird.

01:16:11.000 It's weird because it's, like, pretty much just weed.

01:16:14.000 Yeah, I never got into that stuff, though.

01:16:17.000 It's just a different version of the plant.

01:16:19.000 But it doesn't get you high.

01:16:20.000 Oh, yeah, it does.

01:16:22.000 Really?

01:16:22.000 Oh, yeah.

01:16:24.000 Oh, yeah.

01:16:25.000 I'll get you some.

01:16:26.000 Oh, yeah.

01:16:28.000 I don't know what they're doing.

01:16:30.000 I don't know what they're doing.

01:16:34.000 I don't know how they're doing it, but somehow or another, they're skirting around the rules and developing something that is basically the same.

01:16:43.000 I'll get over to the Delta 9 Center.

01:16:44.000 Yeah, it's basically like Weed's twin sister that has different genetics.

01:16:48.000 I don't know.

01:16:49.000 I don't understand it.

01:16:51.000 Now, I heard they're trying to...

01:16:53.000 Work out a thing where there's no more of those exceptions here.

01:16:57.000 Oh, well, that would suck.

01:16:59.000 The legislature.

01:17:00.000 That's goofy.

01:17:01.000 I mean, there's plenty of things to concentrate on.

01:17:04.000 Why concentrate on that?

01:17:05.000 It's a dumb rule.

01:17:07.000 It's a dumb rule that's mostly enforced by people who don't know what the experience is.

01:17:14.000 They have a distorted idea what the experience is and they think it's just going to make people losers.

01:17:18.000 Well, also it's being mandated from people with different kinds of, you know, desires and a lot of it financial.

01:17:27.000 But, you know, anything that does, you know, I consider a crime anything I do that hurts you or your property.

01:17:37.000 Otherwise, there's no crime.

01:17:38.000 Yeah, I agree.

01:17:39.000 Yeah.

01:17:40.000 Yeah, I agree.

01:17:41.000 And I think we got to get past that.

01:17:43.000 I think there's just a lot of people that recognize that.

01:17:45.000 What they did in the 1970s was very effective.

01:17:49.000 They threw water on the entire psychedelic movement and the civil rights movement and the anti-war movement, and they did it by banning a lot of these compounds that were changing the way people thought about life.

01:18:03.000 And, you know, like the whole peace, love and hippie movement of the 1960s was all inspired by psychedelic drugs, all of it.

01:18:11.000 Right.

01:18:11.000 And it was a revolutionary, complete change of society from 1950 to 1960. I mean, 10 years, things became, the music and culture became almost unrecognizable.

01:18:23.000 It could change so radically.

01:18:24.000 And I think it was terrifying to the powers that be.

01:18:27.000 And unfortunately, the propaganda that they pushed, just like the propaganda that we saw during the COVID. It sticks around for a long time.

01:18:42.000 And unless you have viable representations of opposing narratives that are really effective, it's very hard for people to change their perspective on things without a personal experience.

01:18:56.000 Right.

01:18:56.000 And most of these people that are, like, you know, straight-laced, you know, no-nonsense type folks, they don't want to smoke weed.

01:19:02.000 They want to ruin my brain.

01:19:04.000 You know, I've heard, like, legitimate scientists say, I would never want to interfere with the way my brain works.

01:19:10.000 Okay, do you drink coffee?

01:19:12.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

01:19:13.000 What are you talking about?

01:19:14.000 What are you talking about?

01:19:15.000 Do you exercise?

01:19:16.000 What do you do?

01:19:17.000 What do you do?

01:19:17.000 Do you eat good food?

01:19:18.000 There's a lot of things that change the way your brain works.

01:19:21.000 This is a dumb way to look.

01:19:23.000 You really want your doctor looking healthy.

01:19:25.000 You don't want to walk in and see some obese, you know, having trouble breathing type of guy.

01:19:32.000 Yeah.

01:19:32.000 You know, it's going to give you your...

01:19:35.000 Advice.

01:19:35.000 Well, that was one of the most fascinating things about COVID. When I was talking to Dr. Peter Hotez, who's an overweight guy who eats junk food, and he's telling me everybody's got to get vaccinated.

01:19:44.000 I'm like, are you healthy?

01:19:48.000 Like, are you healthy?

01:19:49.000 Because you don't see, do you work out?

01:19:51.000 Like, do you eat well?

01:19:51.000 Do you take vitamins?

01:19:52.000 No, no, no, no.

01:19:55.000 None of those things.

01:19:55.000 But you think that, like, chemicals.

01:19:59.000 The only way that you're going to get healthy is from a laboratory and an injection.

01:20:06.000 That doesn't seem real.

01:20:07.000 That seems crazy.

01:20:08.000 Well, the whole notion is to bolster your immune system's response to this specific item, right?

01:20:14.000 But so if your immune system's strong, you really have nothing to fear.

01:20:19.000 If your immune system's weak, you have also a lot to fear by taking a vaccine that can...

01:20:27.000 With this recent one, it actually hurts the immune system.

01:20:33.000 It harms the immune system.

01:20:35.000 Especially with repeated doses.

01:20:36.000 At least old people should get vaccinated. 1.00

01:20:37.000 Should old people get vaccinated? 1.00

01:20:39.000 I don't think so.

01:20:40.000 Yeah, I mean, the problem was also any sort of, I mean, this is Dr. Birx is now admitting this when she's being questioned, is that they stopped.

01:20:51.000 Any early treatments that weren't the vaccine and that they probably shouldn't have done that and that a lot of people could have been saved because of that.

01:21:00.000 And that's true.

01:21:00.000 And that's something that people need to – that's one of the best aspects of Bobby's book, Bobby Kennedy's book, The Real Anthony Fauci, is like understand like what pressures were put on these organizations to stifle and completely stop the prescription.

01:21:20.000 Use of a bunch of different things, hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin.

01:21:24.000 Also, the studies that were done on vitamin D deficiencies and how that impacted immune systems and just sunlight, exercise, diet.

01:21:33.000 All those things play a critical factor in how well your immune system functions.

01:21:37.000 The idea that the only way your immune system functions at its peak is you've got to stick a fucking metal pin filled with a solution that gets plunged into your tissue.

01:21:46.000 That's the only way.

01:21:48.000 It's the only way, Woody.

01:21:49.000 Yeah.

01:21:50.000 You've got to shove a fucking needle in your arm.

01:21:53.000 Like, what?

01:21:54.000 But you make a great point because it's like, you know, why didn't we hear from America's doctor Fauci or the other representatives from the medical industry maybe eat less...

01:22:06.000 You know, sugar. 1.00

01:22:07.000 Yeah.

01:22:08.000 Maybe eat less fast food.

01:22:10.000 Maybe exercise.

01:22:11.000 There was no other directive.

01:22:14.000 No.

01:22:14.000 Take the vaccine.

01:22:16.000 That's the only directive.

01:22:17.000 They didn't want a fat shame, so they never told anybody to lose weight, which is one of the major comorbidities that affected people negatively.

01:22:25.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:22:26.000 Bill Maher was on to that really early.

01:22:28.000 Yeah.

01:22:29.000 That's a good point.

01:22:30.000 Weird, weird times.

01:22:33.000 But again, I have hope.

01:22:35.000 Yeah, me too, man.

01:22:37.000 In spite of everything, I have hope.

01:22:39.000 Because I believe in people generally.

01:22:42.000 You know, like there's people who in California and New York, they look at Texas as like, you know, this lost state.

01:22:51.000 You know what I mean?

01:22:52.000 Greatest people in the world.

01:22:54.000 Yeah.

01:22:54.000 Greatest, kindest, nicest people.

01:22:57.000 Yeah.

01:22:58.000 But you may not want to talk about certain subjects.

01:23:01.000 You know what I mean?

01:23:02.000 Yeah.

01:23:07.000 Just avoid those subjects.

01:23:08.000 You get along.

01:23:11.000 And even the subjects that you're supposed to avoid, why?

01:23:14.000 Why are we avoiding them?

01:23:15.000 Well, I agree.

01:23:17.000 I'd like to talk about any subject.

01:23:19.000 I like a little healthy debate.

01:23:24.000 Also, I want to know why you think the way you think.

01:23:26.000 If you think totally different than me, I want to sit down with you.

01:23:29.000 And I want to give you all the room in the world to say what You think.

01:23:35.000 I want to know how you came to those conclusions.

01:23:37.000 I want to know what your childhood was like.

01:23:39.000 I want to know, like, what experiences have you had that led you to have these, like, concrete evaluations of the way society is that are so different than mine.

01:23:49.000 That's a great compassionate vantage point.

01:23:52.000 That's what we really lacked.

01:23:54.000 Yeah, we need that.

01:23:56.000 You need to sit down with people that you don't agree with and find out.

01:24:00.000 And oftentimes they fall apart.

01:24:02.000 That's just the fascinating thing.

01:24:04.000 Give them enough room.

01:24:05.000 You just keep talking to them.

01:24:07.000 They fall apart.

01:24:09.000 One of the weirdest conversations I had on this podcast was talking to Dr. Sanjay Gupta from CNN. They sent him over here to fucking straighten me out.

01:24:16.000 And by the end of it, it was a very bizarre conversation.

01:24:21.000 By the end of it, he was essentially agreeing with me.

01:24:23.000 I had heard that he didn't think you should necessarily vaccinate.

01:24:28.000 I thought he was a little more progressive on that.

01:24:31.000 Well, he's smart, but he's also working for CNN, and he's also a neurosurgeon.

01:24:36.000 So he's a bright guy.

01:24:39.000 He's just captured by the system, and that's part of the problem.

01:24:43.000 But there was a lot of things that didn't make any sense, like one of the ones where he wanted me to get vaccinated after I'd recovered from COVID. Shouldn't that be the reason I'm already vaccinated, basically?

01:24:54.000 Yeah.

01:24:54.000 Well, I'd recovered from COVID in three days.

01:24:56.000 It wasn't hard at all.

01:24:57.000 And that's when I got hit.

01:24:59.000 That's when everybody came after me.

01:25:00.000 It was because I was a bad example.

01:25:01.000 Because I was healthy.

01:25:03.000 And I was giving people bad information by telling them all the things that I took to get better.

01:25:08.000 Which is really weird.

01:25:09.000 And then they focused on this one thing, which was ivermectin.

01:25:13.000 I read a laundry list of stuff that I took.

01:25:16.000 IV vitamins, NAD, ivermectin, monoclonal antibodies.

01:25:21.000 I talked about all the different stuff that my doctor put me on.

01:25:24.000 And I was better in three days.

01:25:26.000 And then what did CNN do?

01:25:28.000 They turned my face yellow.

01:25:29.000 They put a filter on the video to make me look sick.

01:25:33.000 And they started talking about me taking horse paste, which is crazy.

01:25:38.000 They said I was taking a veterinary medicine.

01:25:40.000 Yeah, the ivermectin?

01:25:42.000 Yeah.

01:25:43.000 They're suddenly calling it that in spite of it treating, you know, millions of humans effectively.

01:25:49.000 Millions.

01:25:49.000 Billions of prescriptions have been filled.

01:25:52.000 Billions.

01:25:53.000 Billions of times human beings have taken ivermectin.

01:25:55.000 They have the guy who invented it in the statue at the WHO. I mean, that's why.

01:26:00.000 Because he invented ivermectin.

01:26:02.000 Yeah.

01:26:02.000 He won the Nobel Prize.

01:26:03.000 That was an interesting thing how they made...

01:26:06.000 These other drugs, you know, negative...

01:26:10.000 Yeah.

01:26:11.000 What was it?

01:26:12.000 Hydroxychloroquine.

01:26:13.000 Hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, which some legitimate doctors found to be effective, you know, suddenly you can't even bring it up.

01:26:23.000 And then you couldn't even get it.

01:26:25.000 Yeah.

01:26:26.000 Like, suddenly they made it ungettable.

01:26:28.000 Yeah.

01:26:28.000 Well, you couldn't get it from Walgreens.

01:26:31.000 They wouldn't prescribe it for you.

01:26:32.000 Unless you had, like, some sort of a...

01:26:35.000 Malaria or something.

01:26:36.000 Yeah, you'd have to have, or some sort of a parasite.

01:26:39.000 That's why, you know, they said it was a dewormer, because it was anti-parasitic.

01:26:43.000 But when I said it to Sanjay Gupta, I go, but yes, but it's also been shown to stop viral replication in vitro.

01:26:50.000 And I said, you know that, right?

01:26:51.000 And you can see there's this look on his face like, oh, shit.

01:26:55.000 Because that's a fact.

01:26:57.000 They've studied viral replication.

01:26:59.000 You use ivermectin petri dishes.

01:27:02.000 It stops viral replication.

01:27:04.000 It's a fact.

01:27:06.000 There's studies on this.

01:27:08.000 Also, it's like one of the most safe...

01:27:10.000 Drugs known to man.

01:27:12.000 It's like the safety profile is incredible.

01:27:15.000 And this idea that like Rolling Stones printing articles that people are having overdoses from Ivermectin and people can't get into the emergency room because of gunshot wounds.

01:27:24.000 They even showed a photograph of a bunch of people outside of an emergency room.

01:27:29.000 Wearing winter coats in August because it was a photograph of people waiting in line to get a flu shot.

01:27:34.000 It was a bullshit photograph that fucking Rolling Stone published.

01:27:39.000 This is so wild to watch because it's not just propaganda.

01:27:43.000 It's really shitty propaganda because there's not much truthful they can say that would go against this stuff.

01:27:49.000 So they have to just say it's horse dewormer.

01:27:52.000 You're a fool.

01:27:53.000 You're taking horse dewormer.

01:27:55.000 But what they didn't understand is at the time, They didn't understand the media landscape.

01:28:04.000 They thought they were still huge.

01:28:06.000 But they didn't understand, like, an average video on my show was like ten times bigger than their show.

01:28:12.000 It's just we weren't talking about it.

01:28:14.000 We weren't saying it.

01:28:15.000 So they still thought they were CNN. They were going to crush this rebellion against this one specific thing that you had to do, which was get vaccinated.

01:28:25.000 Right.

01:28:26.000 Remember when Biden was on television and he was talking about the hurricane was coming?

01:28:32.000 The most important thing when the hurricane is coming is get vaccinated.

01:28:37.000 Everything's harder if you're not vaccinated.

01:28:41.000 Yeah, well, all that money they gave those guys.

01:28:46.000 They gave them a lot of money.

01:28:47.000 They had to do something, a little payback.

01:28:50.000 It's wild, though.

01:28:51.000 It's going to affect their ability to make money in the future, that's for sure.

01:28:54.000 Especially CNN. Yeah.

01:28:58.000 They all take a hit.

01:28:59.000 Honestly, I won't miss these other organizations anymore.

01:29:03.000 I watch them every now and then.

01:29:04.000 They lost my confidence.

01:29:08.000 Yeah.

01:29:08.000 Yours and most people's.

01:29:10.000 Yeah.

01:29:10.000 I think that's good.

01:29:12.000 I do.

01:29:13.000 I think that's just healthy.

01:29:16.000 That's the human mental immune system weeding out pathogens.

01:29:21.000 Yeah, right.

01:29:23.000 That's true.

01:29:24.000 The media you take in can certainly be a pathogen.

01:29:27.000 Yeah, man, it is.

01:29:29.000 But again, there's a lot of cool shit out there.

01:29:31.000 You know, it's like you can concentrate on that or you can concentrate on how much cool music there is now, how much great comedy there is now, how many great movies there are now.

01:29:39.000 There's plenty of things to concentrate on.

01:29:41.000 It's like there's just the problem is there's a lot of people.

01:29:44.000 Their business is division.

01:29:48.000 Yeah.

01:29:51.000 What's that song?

01:29:55.000 Politics and religion causing more division.

01:29:58.000 But it's really government and media causing more division.

01:30:04.000 It's really money.

01:30:04.000 If there was no money in politics and there was no money in pharmaceutical drugs and there was no money in war, we'd live in a much better place.

01:30:13.000 Your lips to God's ears on that.

01:30:15.000 Yeah.

01:30:16.000 It's just we have to move closer to that somehow or another.

01:30:20.000 And whether Bobby Kennedy can help us along those lines and all these other people that are trying very hard to stomp out a lot of this bullshit that we've been experiencing for so long.

01:30:31.000 Hopefully.

01:30:32.000 Yeah.

01:30:33.000 I mean, Bobby, I really hope he's able to do some good things because he's certainly a man on a mission and a man who cares deeply.

01:30:43.000 Yeah.

01:30:44.000 And I think really heroic how much he stood up for.

01:30:50.000 Things that he didn't need to talk about, you know, that didn't help him in any way.

01:30:56.000 He just took one arrow after the other over it.

01:31:00.000 You know, to me, even if he was wrong, which I don't think he was, then it's heroic to do that.

01:31:06.000 Yeah.

01:31:07.000 Yeah, and he wasn't wrong.

01:31:09.000 The thing is, like, I was a victim of that propaganda, and I told him that when I met him and I had him on the show.

01:31:15.000 I said, I always thought you were a kook. 1.00

01:31:16.000 I had always heard.

01:31:18.000 I bought into it.

01:31:19.000 I just had this sort of cursory examination of what people were saying about you.

01:31:22.000 Like, oh, that guy doesn't believe in vaccines.

01:31:24.000 He's a nut.

01:31:25.000 He's some sort of an anti-science nut who's just a conspiracy theorist.

01:31:29.000 He's just like all these other nutty people.

01:31:32.000 And then I read his book, and I was like, okay, well, this book is real.

01:31:36.000 Why isn't he getting sued if it's not real?

01:31:38.000 If it's not real, why is he getting sued?

01:31:40.000 If all these things he's saying about Anthony Fauci during the AIDS crisis, if that's not true...

01:31:45.000 Why is he not getting sued?

01:31:46.000 I would sue the fuck out of him if he lied about me and said I was vaccinating foster kids with experimental drugs that were killing them.

01:31:53.000 I would sue you if that was not true.

01:31:56.000 Like, hey, you fucking liar.

01:31:57.000 I never did that.

01:31:58.000 This is a lie.

01:31:59.000 You can't prove it.

01:31:59.000 But it's not a lie.

01:32:01.000 If it was a lie, he'd get sued.

01:32:04.000 Be in truth, they just ignored it.

01:32:07.000 But man, that is...

01:32:10.000 A heavy tome.

01:32:11.000 Yeah.

01:32:12.000 Oh, my God.

01:32:13.000 There's some info in there.

01:32:14.000 Just blew my mind.

01:32:16.000 Yeah.

01:32:16.000 Like the way Fauci was able to get these principal investigators from all these respectable colleges.

01:32:24.000 Put them on these committees and ended up saying, yeah, this is the vaccine we'll use.

01:32:30.000 We'll use AZT. He started with the AZT thing.

01:32:34.000 Oh, yeah.

01:32:34.000 And, you know, AZT was known to be a highly toxic, really ineffective drug.

01:32:40.000 Yeah.

01:32:41.000 And, of course, but it...

01:32:43.000 That was the one they picked, and so they started using that again, and I don't know how many people that killed.

01:32:49.000 That killed friends of mine, you know?

01:32:51.000 AZT was very toxic, and they finally had to yank it.

01:32:55.000 Yeah.

01:32:55.000 And now they use different chemical cocktails, but, like, Fauci did some extraordinarily evil shit, and he knows what he did.

01:33:06.000 He was the villain of the Dallas Buyers Club, that movie.

01:33:09.000 That was about...

01:33:10.000 People trying to seek alternative treatments to deal with AIDS. Oh, right, right.

01:33:16.000 Yeah, that's Fauci.

01:33:17.000 Right, right, right.

01:33:18.000 That's AZT. Yeah, yeah.

01:33:19.000 Magic Johnson got on AZT and it was killing him and he got off of it.

01:33:23.000 Yeah.

01:33:25.000 And he's still alive.

01:33:26.000 And he's still alive.

01:33:27.000 Yeah.

01:33:28.000 Yeah, it's a bummer.

01:33:31.000 It's just a bummer that someone had that kind of power for so long.

01:33:34.000 It was such a fucking monster.

01:33:36.000 Yeah.

01:33:38.000 Did you see that little meme that went around?

01:33:41.000 It was right after he got, first time anyone ever got pre-pardoned?

01:33:47.000 Yeah.

01:33:47.000 And he said, nothing says trust science like a blanket pre-pardon in a picture of Fauci.

01:33:55.000 Well, the problem with that pre-pardon is he's pre-pardoned federally, but he's not pre-pardoned statewide.

01:34:01.000 These states can still sue him.

01:34:02.000 Not only that, when you're pardoned, then you can no longer plead the fifth.

01:34:08.000 So you could be held for perjury.

01:34:11.000 So there's a lot of issues with being pardoned.

01:34:15.000 I don't think...

01:34:17.000 Biden took into consideration or Fauci took into consideration either.

01:34:20.000 I think they just, he just wanted anything to protect him because he knew it was coming.

01:34:24.000 He knew that they had, I mean, just the emails that were available that showed collusion, where they, he had gotten a hold of all these different researchers and changed their perspective on whether or not it was a lab leak.

01:34:35.000 Because through EcoHealth Alliance, they had funded gain-of-function research after Obama had...

01:34:40.000 Gain-of-function!

01:34:41.000 That's what I was trying to think.

01:34:43.000 Oh, that's what you're looking for.

01:34:43.000 Okay, yeah, go ahead.

01:34:45.000 But gain-of-function is essentially taking...

01:34:50.000 Weaponizing the virus.

01:34:52.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:34:53.000 The idea is supposedly to study it, but if you're studying it and you don't have a fucking cure, You've been studying this shit for so long and you don't have a cure.

01:35:00.000 Like, what are you actually doing?

01:35:01.000 Well, you're doing weapons research.

01:35:03.000 You know, this is one of the things that Bobby's talked about with Lyme disease, you know, where they try to get him on Lyme disease, which is a very funny grilling.

01:35:11.000 They say, did you say that Lyme disease was a leaked bioweapon?

01:35:16.000 He goes, I probably did.

01:35:20.000 He did.

01:35:21.000 Plum Island.

01:35:22.000 They were fucking researching whether or not they could infect bugs.

01:35:26.000 Fleas and ticks and then dump them on populations to overwhelm their medical system and to use it as a bioweapon so we can invade easier. 0.97

01:35:34.000 Yeah, they did that.

01:35:35.000 We're the masters of war.

01:35:37.000 Yeah.

01:35:38.000 But yeah, that's a funny way.

01:35:40.000 Good impersonation, by the way.

01:35:42.000 It's not hard.

01:35:43.000 Unfortunately.

01:35:44.000 Poor Bobby.

01:35:46.000 I mean, if really, science wanted to fix his fucking voice, man.

01:35:49.000 If that guy had his old voice, he'd be a lot more powerful.

01:35:52.000 It's like people dismiss him because his voice is hard.

01:35:55.000 It's hard to listen to sometimes.

01:35:57.000 Yeah, and that condition he has, you would think there'd be some way to address it, but I don't know.

01:36:02.000 Well, he believes that condition came from the flu vaccine.

01:36:06.000 It's a side effect of flu vaccines.

01:36:08.000 He used to take a flu vaccine every year.

01:36:10.000 And so he developed this voice problem.

01:36:14.000 And he believes it's a vaccine injury, which is very ironic.

01:36:19.000 Wow.

01:36:20.000 Yeah.

01:36:21.000 I didn't know that.

01:36:22.000 Yeah.

01:36:23.000 Yeah.

01:36:24.000 Those fucking things don't work either.

01:36:26.000 Those things, and he's talked about that, like even if it protects you from that one flu, it makes you many more times more likely to catch other things.

01:36:34.000 We're fucking around with complex systems inside human bodies with pharmaceutical drugs that have been...

01:36:43.000 The way they've studied them is filled with shenanigans.

01:36:47.000 They might do 10 studies and one of them shows effectiveness because they've rigged the study in a certain way.

01:36:54.000 He explained to me that the reason why they could say it's 100% effective was because one person got it in the vaccine trial and two people got it in the placebo.

01:37:07.000 So that's 100%.

01:37:10.000 You know, yeah.

01:37:12.000 One is 100% better than two.

01:37:14.000 Like, what?

01:37:15.000 That's great.

01:37:16.000 No, that's not.

01:37:17.000 100% means nobody gets infected, you fucking assholes. 0.89

01:37:21.000 That should be a law.

01:37:23.000 That should be a crime to explain things like that.

01:37:25.000 I had this guy on who was...

01:37:28.000 He litigated against pharmaceutical drug companies, particularly against Vioxx, when they released this anti-inflammatory medication, Vioxx, and some...

01:37:38.000 50,000 to 60,000 people died from it.

01:37:40.000 A friend of mine got a stroke from Vioxx.

01:37:43.000 This guy was saying that when you hear peer-reviewed studies, when they do a vaccine study...

01:37:52.000 Or a pharmaceutical drug study, they don't even give the peer reviewers the raw data.

01:37:59.000 They give the peer reviewers the data as it's been interpreted by the scientists who work for the pharmaceutical drug companies.

01:38:06.000 So they review it and then they give their version of it to these other scientists who are already on the payroll.

01:38:13.000 They're all NIH funded.

01:38:15.000 Everybody's together.

01:38:16.000 Everybody's all in the loop.

01:38:17.000 Everybody's dependent upon whether or not they're going to receive grants and funding.

01:38:21.000 It's all based on Based on Fauci, and that's how you find out whether or not something is good or bad.

01:38:27.000 It's all rigged.

01:38:29.000 And when he was explaining, I'm like, that can't be real.

01:38:31.000 And he's explaining to us, showing us how it works.

01:38:34.000 It's corrupt.

01:38:35.000 It's fully, completely, totally corrupt.

01:38:37.000 And if anything Bobby can do, it's make sure that we have valid studies, valid, real, peer-reviewed studies on everything.

01:38:49.000 On everything that people are supposed to be taking.

01:38:53.000 Let's find out what the fuck is really good for you.

01:38:55.000 Because it's not like all pharmaceutical drugs are bad.

01:38:58.000 A lot of pharmaceutical drugs help people, save people's lives, enhance people's lives, cure diseases.

01:39:03.000 There's a lot of stuff that's great.

01:39:05.000 Let's find out what it is.

01:39:06.000 What's real and what's bad.

01:39:08.000 And why are you profiting off of shit that's killing people?

01:39:12.000 That shouldn't be so hard, would he?

01:39:13.000 I'd vote for you, dude.

01:39:15.000 Oh, I don't want to run for nothing.

01:39:16.000 No, I know.

01:39:17.000 It'd be a step down.

01:39:18.000 Why would you...

01:39:19.000 No, no, no.

01:39:20.000 Just a headache in your life.

01:39:22.000 But I'm just saying, I would vote for you.

01:39:25.000 Thanks.

01:39:26.000 That's terrifying.

01:39:29.000 You want to have those days where you just have a lion.

01:39:34.000 You know what I mean?

01:39:35.000 Not getting up till maybe noon.

01:39:37.000 You can't have that if you were president.

01:39:40.000 You don't get one day like that.

01:39:42.000 No, unless you're Biden.

01:39:43.000 I think he slept a lot.

01:39:44.000 He wasn't really the president.

01:39:48.000 Maybe.

01:39:49.000 Yeah, that's what's really wild.

01:39:51.000 I don't know, man.

01:39:52.000 Like I said, I'm encouraged.

01:39:54.000 And I also think things are going to get really weird with AI. I think with AI, and especially when AI gets attached to quantum computing, we're going to have an undeniable access to truth that's going to be very disconcerting to a lot of people.

01:40:12.000 We're going to have an understanding of the reality of the world that we live in that's going to be very undeniable.

01:40:20.000 And it's going to be strange.

01:40:22.000 And unfortunately, there's going to be a lot of propaganda that's with that, too, because, you know, a lot of AI is programmed by people.

01:40:29.000 So there'll be a battle of which AI is the most trusted and effective.

01:40:35.000 And then the real fear is that AI governs us, which is probably going to happen.

01:40:41.000 We're probably going to be more effective.

01:40:44.000 The government so far has really been subpar.

01:40:49.000 Yeah.

01:40:49.000 I mean, I don't look at individual presidents, because I just look at, like, overall, the presidents have to bow down and kiss the ring, no matter who it is.

01:40:58.000 You're not getting in there.

01:41:00.000 Right.

01:41:00.000 So, you know, the last guy who didn't was probably John Kennedy.

01:41:05.000 Yeah.

01:41:05.000 You know?

01:41:05.000 But certainly even a guy like Carter, who I love, you know, I consider the best, you know?

01:41:12.000 Everybody has to kiss the ring.

01:41:14.000 He didn't kiss it enough.

01:41:16.000 That's why they got rid of him.

01:41:17.000 You know what he did?

01:41:19.000 He levied a windfall profits tax on the oil companies because they were gouging.

01:41:26.000 They were making so much profit, right?

01:41:29.000 Yeah.

01:41:29.000 Which happens all the time, you know, whether it be the oil companies or the vaccine companies or whatever.

01:41:35.000 These insane, you know, profits that are just...

01:41:40.000 They create some fear and then boom.

01:41:43.000 They make a lot of money.

01:41:45.000 But he was bold enough to lay this tax on them for their profit and that's what killed him.

01:41:52.000 There was no way he was getting another term after that.

01:41:56.000 And then it was after that that Oliver North was vital in helping to kill that rescue attempt with the helicopter.

01:42:07.000 And also the Contras versus the Sandinistas, the selling crack in Los Angeles in order to fund all that shit.

01:42:15.000 All that stuff was going on at the same time.

01:42:17.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:42:17.000 I totally believe that.

01:42:19.000 Oh, it's a fact.

01:42:20.000 I had Freeway Ricky Ross, the guy who went to jail for it, on the podcast a few times.

01:42:25.000 Oh, was he the guy, the plane, he had the planes and he was flying in?

01:42:29.000 No, that was Gary Webb.

01:42:30.000 That was Gary Webb, the guy who was flying into Arkansas.

01:42:33.000 Gary Webb, right.

01:42:34.000 Yeah.

01:42:34.000 It's a character.

01:42:36.000 Oh, no, Barry Seale.

01:42:36.000 Gary Webb was the reporter who committed suicide.

01:42:41.000 Didn't he shoot himself in the head twice?

01:42:43.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:42:45.000 Barry Seale.

01:42:45.000 Thank you, Jamie.

01:42:46.000 You'd think the first one would have slowed down the second bullet a little bit.

01:42:49.000 Yeah, a little bit.

01:42:50.000 Right.

01:42:51.000 A little bit, yeah.

01:42:52.000 Yeah, he was one of the main whistleblowers about that.

01:42:56.000 Yeah, there's, um, it's assorted.

01:42:58.000 Horrible history.

01:43:00.000 But Freeway Ricky Ross was, unbeknownst to him, was selling cocaine, funding this war.

01:43:07.000 And he didn't even know what was going on until he went to jail.

01:43:10.000 He couldn't read.

01:43:11.000 Went to jail, became literate, and then became a lawyer in jail, and then figured out that they tried him on the three strikes rule incorrectly, got out of jail.

01:43:21.000 And yeah, now he runs weed dispensaries in California.

01:43:25.000 Really?

01:43:25.000 He's a great guy.

01:43:27.000 Where does he live?

01:43:28.000 In LA? He lives in LA, yeah.

01:43:30.000 He's a great guy.

01:43:31.000 You've got to connect me to him.

01:43:32.000 I want to meet him.

01:43:33.000 You know Rick Ross the rapper?

01:43:34.000 He stole his name from Freeway Rick Ross.

01:43:37.000 Rick Ross was a famous street gangster.

01:43:41.000 This famous street coke dealer who was making millions of dollars a week and couldn't read. 0.78

01:43:47.000 He was a tennis player, a really good tennis player, who then used the discipline of being a tennis player to become a very disciplined drug dealer.

01:43:57.000 Like Pfizer, disciplined drug dealer.

01:44:03.000 Yeah, and now he's out.

01:44:06.000 And a wonderful guy to talk to.

01:44:08.000 Fun guy.

01:44:09.000 Like, very happy, peaceful guy.

01:44:11.000 I mean, what a story.

01:44:12.000 Learned how to read in jail and then realized that they fucked him and then tried his own case and got out. 0.81

01:44:20.000 Wow.

01:44:20.000 That's impressive.

01:44:21.000 Yeah.

01:44:22.000 Amazing.

01:44:23.000 Amazing.

01:44:24.000 My daughter is a lawyer.

01:44:26.000 She's a public defender in Manhattan.

01:44:29.000 She loves it.

01:44:30.000 Oh, wow.

01:44:31.000 That's cool.

01:44:32.000 And so she's helping a lot of people who are at a kind of a pivotal point in their lives where it could just be.

01:44:38.000 Yeah.

01:44:39.000 And they can't get her unless they have no money.

01:44:43.000 You know what I mean?

01:44:43.000 So they're already in dire straits.

01:44:46.000 And she just loves helping people, man.

01:44:50.000 That's beautiful.

01:44:51.000 She's an incredible kid.

01:44:53.000 I'm so proud of her.

01:44:54.000 That's amazing.

01:44:55.000 That's a beautiful way to live your life.

01:44:58.000 And I'm like, you're going to be a lawyer?

01:45:00.000 And then it's like, oh, a lawyer that makes no money.

01:45:03.000 Bravo.

01:45:04.000 Bravo.

01:45:06.000 Isn't it crazy?

01:45:07.000 We all think lawyers are all evil.

01:45:10.000 No, there's great lawyers.

01:45:12.000 My good friend Josh Dubin, he used to work for the Innocent Project.

01:45:15.000 Now he works with Ike Perlmutter.

01:45:17.000 We've had a bunch of podcasts where we've highlighted innocent people who were incarcerated.

01:45:23.000 And just through this podcast, we've got a bunch of people released.

01:45:27.000 Dude, that's doing something great.

01:45:30.000 Yeah.

01:45:30.000 I mean, he's amazing.

01:45:31.000 He's completely dedicated his life to wrongly incarcerated people.

01:45:36.000 What's his name?

01:45:37.000 Josh Dubin.

01:45:38.000 Where does he live?

01:45:39.000 Florida.

01:45:40.000 He was a New York guy.

01:45:41.000 I moved to Florida fairly recently.

01:45:43.000 Wow.

01:45:44.000 Yeah.

01:45:44.000 Great guy.

01:45:46.000 Love him to death.

01:45:47.000 And does nothing but great work.

01:45:49.000 Just helping people.

01:45:50.000 Just constantly concentrating all these different cases where it's like, you know, corrupt DAs, corrupt prosecutors, corrupt judges.

01:45:58.000 It's like, you know, it's all over the place.

01:46:01.000 Like one of the guys that Biden pardoned was one of the people that was involved in that Kids for Cash where they were putting kids in detention centers just for profit.

01:46:12.000 Oh.

01:46:13.000 Yeah, you know that story, right?

01:46:15.000 I'm not.

01:46:16.000 No, I don't know.

01:46:16.000 There was a judge.

01:46:17.000 Was it Pennsylvania?

01:46:18.000 Yeah.

01:46:19.000 There was a judge in Pennsylvania that was making millions of dollars through putting kids in detention centers and ruining kids' lives, causing suicides, deaths, a downward spiral of their life, like wrongfully detaining them.

01:46:37.000 But how is he making...

01:46:38.000 How is he getting a kickback?

01:46:40.000 He's getting kickbacks.

01:46:41.000 Getting kickbacks from private prisons.

01:46:42.000 Oh, from private prisons?

01:46:44.000 Yeah, from private prisons, from prosecutors, from...

01:46:46.000 I mean, I don't know exactly who was funding it, but he was convicted.

01:46:50.000 And he's one of the guys Biden pardoned.

01:46:53.000 Oh, really?

01:46:57.000 It's sick.

01:46:58.000 Biden pardoned like 8,000 people.

01:47:00.000 Did he?

01:47:01.000 Yeah.

01:47:02.000 He pardoned more people than anybody, which generally I'm a fan of pardoning people.

01:47:07.000 I think most people are incarcerated for far too long.

01:47:09.000 I don't think it rehabilitates people.

01:47:11.000 I think it probably makes them more hardened criminals in most of the cases.

01:47:15.000 There's a few cases where people...

01:47:17.000 Decide to take a better path in jail and educate themselves and learn and come out a better person I've met a lot of those people and unfortunately I've met a lot of those people from Josh Dubin that were wrongly incarcerated and then came out these amazing Incredibly intelligent really well-read interesting people because they dedicated themselves to doing that while they were in jail because they realized like I did not commit this crime I'm forced into this situation What can I do to make better of my life while I'm here?

01:47:42.000 Well, I'm gonna educate myself and I'm gonna come out a better person That's great By the way, I wouldn't mind a pre-pardon.

01:47:51.000 You do whatever you want.

01:47:54.000 I got a pre-pardon, dude.

01:47:56.000 There's a lot of people that got pre-pardons.

01:47:57.000 They were like, how did Adam Schiff get a pre-pardon?

01:48:00.000 Why has Liz Cheney got a pre-pardon? 1.00

01:48:01.000 What did you do?

01:48:03.000 What did you do that you need a pardon?

01:48:07.000 That's never happened before.

01:48:08.000 There's never been a pre-pardon.

01:48:10.000 No.

01:48:11.000 How can you pardon someone if they haven't been convicted of something?

01:48:14.000 Well, there's a lot of debate on the constitutionality of it, too, like whether or not that's even what the pardons were intended for.

01:48:19.000 And that was the thing during the 2020 election, like when Trump was leaving the office.

01:48:25.000 You know, there was talk about what if he pre-pardons his family?

01:48:28.000 That would be outrageous.

01:48:29.000 And all the Democrats were against it.

01:48:30.000 And then, of course, when Biden did it, everybody just shut up.

01:48:35.000 He pre-pardoned his son from 2000, what, 14 or something?

01:48:39.000 11?

01:48:41.000 Oh, what a good guy.

01:48:45.000 Yeah.

01:48:47.000 That was necessary.

01:48:49.000 Yeah.

01:48:50.000 That was a pre-pardon?

01:48:52.000 He was never charged.

01:48:53.000 Seemed like a post-pardon at that point.

01:48:56.000 He was about to be charged and he was never charged.

01:48:57.000 What was Gerald Ford going to be charged?

01:49:00.000 Watergate scandal.

01:49:01.000 Oh, Watergate.

01:49:02.000 Yeah.

01:49:04.000 That's another one.

01:49:06.000 The Watergate one's a weird one, too.

01:49:08.000 Because the lead guy was an intelligence agent who was all of a sudden a reporter.

01:49:17.000 George W. Bush gave some to the Iran-Contra affair people.

01:49:20.000 Oh, what a good guy.

01:49:21.000 Casper Weinberger.

01:49:23.000 There you go.

01:49:25.000 Abraham Lincoln did.

01:49:27.000 In the Civil War, President Abraham Lincoln preempted pardons, part of the broader strategy to maintain national unity.

01:49:33.000 Oh, okay.

01:49:34.000 Extended to Confederate sympathizers and soldiers.

01:49:36.000 Okay.

01:49:37.000 As an incentive to lay down arms and support the Union.

01:49:40.000 Jimmy Carter for the Vietnam draft.

01:49:43.000 Yes.

01:49:44.000 Well, that was a good one.

01:49:46.000 There's a few, but not, like, the same reasons.

01:49:49.000 I remember I was a kid.

01:49:50.000 I was living in San Francisco when the Vietnam War ended.

01:49:53.000 My parents were hippies.

01:49:54.000 We were living in, like, Haight-Ashbury, like, down near Lombard Street in the middle of, like, hippie San Francisco.

01:50:01.000 And I remember thinking, as a little kid, thinking, wow, finally the war's over.

01:50:06.000 I don't have to think about war anymore.

01:50:07.000 I'm like, people are going to learn from this.

01:50:10.000 I really believe that.

01:50:12.000 You know?

01:50:12.000 You are, because you're a hopeful person.

01:50:14.000 Also, I was 10. Yeah.

01:50:17.000 Or whatever I was.

01:50:18.000 Most 10-year-olds, I guess, are pretty hopeful.

01:50:21.000 Yeah, well, you're terrified, because, you know, I had thought of the idea of being drafted.

01:50:26.000 Like, in eight years from now, can I be drafted and have to go and fight for some fucking insane war that makes no sense?

01:50:32.000 And if you don't, they put you in a cage?

01:50:34.000 Like, that was the reality of life in the 1960s when they had conscription.

01:50:39.000 That's scary shit, man.

01:50:41.000 You know, being forced to give up your life to go fight in some fucking insane war that makes sense.

01:50:46.000 It's probably about heroin.

01:50:50.000 Probably had a lot to do with heroin trade.

01:50:54.000 Well, yeah, they say that that bombing in Laos was a lot of that on the Ho Chi Minh Trail.

01:51:00.000 A lot of that had to do with that avenue for heroin there.

01:51:04.000 Yeah.

01:51:04.000 On that Ho Chi Minh Trail.

01:51:06.000 Well, how about Afghanistan?

01:51:08.000 Yeah, Afghanistan.

01:51:10.000 That can't be a coincidence.

01:51:11.000 Poppies there and poppies there.

01:51:14.000 Not only that, we were guarding poppy fields.

01:51:18.000 These farmers need to grow poppies. 0.99

01:51:21.000 This is how they make a living.

01:51:23.000 We've got to help them.

01:51:24.000 We've got to fight the Taliban.

01:51:26.000 It's 90-plus percent of the world's opium that's coming from this area.

01:51:31.000 Like, what?

01:51:32.000 90%?

01:51:33.000 Oh, yeah.

01:51:34.000 I think it's 94. I think it was 94% of the world's heroin was coming from Afghanistan while we were occupying Afghanistan.

01:51:43.000 Really?

01:51:44.000 Oh, yeah.

01:51:44.000 And now where's it coming from?

01:51:45.000 Probably Afghanistan still. 1.00

01:51:47.000 Now it's safe.

01:51:49.000 It's secure.

01:51:50.000 I mean, the Taliban were the people that were against it, which is wild. 0.91

01:51:53.000 2021, Afghanistan produced more than 90% of the world's illicit heroin.

01:51:58.000 However, Myanmar has since surpassed Afghanistan.

01:52:01.000 Wow.

01:52:01.000 Didn't Myanmar just have a giant coup?

01:52:03.000 Didn't they have a military takeover of Myanmar?

01:52:05.000 I think they did.

01:52:06.000 I'm pretty sure because...

01:52:08.000 Yeah.

01:52:11.000 Yeah.

01:52:11.000 Burma.

01:52:12.000 Maybe it's follow the drugs instead of follow the money.

01:52:15.000 Yeah.

01:52:15.000 Same thing, maybe.

01:52:16.000 Yeah.

01:52:19.000 Myanmar coup.

01:52:21.000 Just write coup.

01:52:24.000 Yeah, four years after the coup.

01:52:26.000 Atrocity crimes.

01:52:29.000 Four years after the coup, chaos reigns as Myanmar's military struggles.

01:52:33.000 Yeah, they're probably taking control.

01:52:35.000 I mean, if you've got a place where now they've taken over the heroin production of the world, and all of a sudden you have a military coup.

01:52:43.000 Shocking!

01:52:44.000 Right.

01:52:45.000 Crazy.

01:52:46.000 It does seem to follow along these routes.

01:52:50.000 Yeah.

01:52:51.000 It's just, it's too many things to concentrate on.

01:52:54.000 That's the problem.

01:52:55.000 And we're all getting inundated every day with terrible news from all over the world.

01:52:59.000 And on one side, it makes people more accountable because now you know all the terrible things that are going on all over the world.

01:53:04.000 But another thing, it's like it's unmanageable.

01:53:06.000 If you're one human being living in Austin, your phone is blowing up all day with atrocities that are happening all over the world.

01:53:12.000 You're like, what can I do?

01:53:13.000 What is life?

01:53:15.000 Everything's terrible.

01:53:16.000 Meanwhile, you go to the coffee shop.

01:53:17.000 Everybody's nice.

01:53:18.000 You go to the restaurant, say hi to everyone.

01:53:20.000 It's like my world seems pretty fucking normal.

01:53:22.000 But when you're inundated constantly, so you're in this constant state of anxiety and weirdness.

01:53:31.000 I know it's not a good thing, but I think that's why I stay away from the media.

01:53:36.000 I don't read newspapers.

01:53:38.000 I just try to stay away because it's that toxifying element.

01:53:44.000 And granted...

01:53:47.000 It keeps me ignorant.

01:53:49.000 Yeah.

01:53:49.000 But they do say ignorance is bliss, and I feel pretty blissful.

01:53:55.000 Well, as long as somebody's paying attention, I guess it's okay.

01:53:58.000 Well, I mean, about some of these items we've been discussing, you know, I've actually studied this.

01:54:06.000 But there's other things that I just can't get hit every day with, like, 90 things that are...

01:54:14.000 It's so depressing, you know.

01:54:15.000 Do you go on social media at all?

01:54:17.000 No.

01:54:18.000 I do have, you know, what's the Zuckerberg?

01:54:24.000 No.

01:54:26.000 Instagram?

01:54:26.000 Instagram.

01:54:28.000 But because, you know, they make you, like, you have to give us all your information and access to your picture.

01:54:35.000 So I can't personally get on the Instagram, but if I have a picture, I have to get someone else to post the picture.

01:54:42.000 Yeah.

01:54:43.000 That's probably healthier.

01:54:44.000 Yeah.

01:54:45.000 Huh?

01:54:45.000 That's probably healthier.

01:54:46.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:54:47.000 Than being on it all the time.

01:54:48.000 Because I know a lot of people that are on it all the time, and it makes them sick.

01:54:52.000 It's like radiation poisoning.

01:54:54.000 Yeah.

01:54:55.000 Pretty much never on it.

01:54:57.000 That's good.

01:54:58.000 But I should post more.

01:55:00.000 I post like once every six months or something.

01:55:03.000 But no, I don't know.

01:55:05.000 I'd rather have an alt to Instagram.

01:55:10.000 So how do you find out about...

01:55:11.000 What do you think of a good alt?

01:55:13.000 An alt?

01:55:13.000 I don't know.

01:55:14.000 The problem is, well, X is what I use the most as far as like getting information, but...

01:55:21.000 Every now and then I'll go on and watch people argue and see, like, these toxic fights back and forth, and that puts me in a shitty mood.

01:55:28.000 And I'm like, God damn, why do people fucking treat each other like this?

01:55:31.000 Like, it's such a stupid way to communicate.

01:55:34.000 Yeah, that is, it's so disheartening.

01:55:38.000 And it's also, it amplifies the worst aspects of our society, which is, like, shitty division.

01:55:43.000 It's like, shitty division is what gets a lot of clicks.

01:55:46.000 You know, partisan thoughts and attacking people, tribal thinking.

01:55:52.000 That's what gets the most clicks and that's what you see the most.

01:55:54.000 But there's enough exposing of actual legitimate corruption and information about what's actually going on in the world that I get out of there that it balances it out for me to the point where I'm willing to engage in it to a certain extent, but I don't do it at night.

01:56:09.000 And I don't do it when I think it's gonna, like, fuck me up before I go to bed.

01:56:13.000 I don't do it if there's anything I really have to concentrate on, because I don't want some new pathway to open up my mind where now I'm concerned about this.

01:56:22.000 But you, you know, all of that adversity you face, do you feel like it actually increased your popularity?

01:56:30.000 Yeah.

01:56:30.000 Yeah, it definitely did.

01:56:32.000 During the COVID stuff, when they were trying to get me removed from Spotify, in that one month, I gained 2 million subscribers.

01:56:39.000 Oh, really?

01:56:41.000 And the height of the attacks on me, the show got way bigger.

01:56:46.000 So how many people listened to that Robert Malone show, would you say?

01:56:51.000 That's a good question.

01:56:52.000 Between Spotify, YouTube, and all the clips, fucking, who knows, hundreds of millions probably.

01:56:59.000 Oh.

01:57:00.000 Great.

01:57:01.000 Yeah.

01:57:01.000 A good show that gets spread around like how many different eyeballs will see it.

01:57:05.000 I mean, it really depends on how profound the person's revelations are, like what they're talking about.

01:57:12.000 Like, you know, like the biggest one we ever did.

01:57:14.000 Well, some of the Elon.

01:57:15.000 Well, I think the biggest one we probably ever did was Bob Lazar.

01:57:19.000 Is that number one?

01:57:21.000 So the Bob Lazar one, you know, Bob Lazar is.

01:57:25.000 Bob Lazar is the guy that in 1989, he did an interview with George Knapp in Las Vegas, and he said he was working back-engineering UFOs for the government.

01:57:38.000 And he has this crazy fucking story about working at Area S4, Site 4, and Area 51 in the Nevada desert, which at that point in time, the government would deny that Area 51 even existed.

01:57:50.000 And he's like, no, I work out there, and I was working.

01:57:53.000 Back-engineering propulsion systems from crashed UFOs.

01:57:57.000 And he was explaining how these things work and explaining how it's in some sort of a gravity propulsion device that works completely different than any propulsion device that we've ever devised and that they're trying to back-engineer them.

01:58:08.000 They don't know how to do it.

01:58:09.000 So they keep bringing in new propulsion experts.

01:58:11.000 So he was a guy that...

01:58:13.000 Previously worked at Los Alamos Labs.

01:58:15.000 And then he gets a job.

01:58:17.000 And they're essentially throwing as much shit against the wall as possible, trying to see what sticks.

01:58:22.000 Like, can you figure this out?

01:58:23.000 And they're bringing in new people.

01:58:25.000 And he was brought in apparently after – allegedly after an accident where they tried to cut into the reactor and it exploded and people died.

01:58:33.000 And so they said, OK, well, that's not going to work.

01:58:35.000 Let's try another method, bring in some other people.

01:58:38.000 And he was one of the people they brought in.

01:58:40.000 And when you have top secret clearance, what happens is they tap all your phones.

01:58:45.000 They listen to you all the time.

01:58:47.000 He had this job where he couldn't tell his wife what he was doing.

01:58:50.000 So he would get this phone call saying that he has to fly out to Area 51 at like 11 p.m.

01:58:55.000 So he would go to the airport, fly out, and his wife was like, this motherfucker's cheating on me. 1.00

01:58:59.000 So she starts fucking her flight instructor. 0.93

01:59:02.000 She's got some flight instructor. 1.00

01:59:03.000 And so because his wife was having an affair and they knew it from the phone calls, they thought that he was going to be emotionally unstable, so they removed him from the project.

01:59:11.000 So he gets removed from the project and he says, well...

01:59:14.000 I'm telling my friends.

01:59:16.000 So he goes to tell his friends, like, this is what I was doing.

01:59:18.000 I was working on these fucking UFOs.

01:59:21.000 They have actual UFOs.

01:59:22.000 That's the one.

01:59:23.000 That thing on the desk right there, that's the recreation of what he called the sport model that they worked on that has this flying saucy that's behind the antlers.

01:59:32.000 That's like the three.

01:59:34.000 The classic.

01:59:34.000 It's like the Tesla 3. Yeah.

01:59:36.000 You know what I mean?

01:59:37.000 Right.

01:59:38.000 Yeah, the classic.

01:59:39.000 The peppy little sport model.

01:59:42.000 Got it.

01:59:43.000 So he brings people out to watch.

01:59:47.000 He said on Wednesday, they have these flights and they test these things.

01:59:51.000 I'll take you guys out to the desert.

01:59:52.000 He took them out the desert.

01:59:54.000 He takes them a couple of times, then he gets arrested.

01:59:56.000 So he gets arrested and he says, they're going to fucking kill me.

01:59:59.000 I have to go public.

02:00:00.000 So he goes public and tells the whole story.

02:00:02.000 And so he does these series of interviews with George Knapp, who's an investigative reporter in Las Vegas.

02:00:09.000 And they become legendary.

02:00:10.000 He's told the same story for now, going on 40 years.

02:00:14.000 And it's an insane story.

02:00:16.000 But he's still alive.

02:00:17.000 He's still alive.

02:00:17.000 Yeah, he did my podcast.

02:00:19.000 So he did the podcast, and I don't know what to think.

02:00:21.000 I don't know if he's telling the truth or not.

02:00:22.000 It's hard to know.

02:00:23.000 But he's told the same goddamn story for all these years, and he's obviously a brilliant guy.

02:00:28.000 He's obviously very literate in science, really understands what he's saying.

02:00:33.000 And many of the things that he said from that particular interview have been corroborated by other people, including his knowledge of Los Alamos Labs.

02:00:44.000 They tried to say he never worked there, but they found him on the employee roster.

02:00:47.000 And he knows the building.

02:00:48.000 He took people into the building.

02:00:50.000 He took George Knapp in there.

02:00:51.000 He knew the security guards.

02:00:52.000 He knew where to go, showing everybody around the place.

02:00:56.000 That's our biggest podcast ever because it's so fucking nuts.

02:01:00.000 There's an incredible – Jeremy Corbell did an incredible documentary called Bob Lazar, Area 51, and Flying Saucers.

02:01:08.000 And it's all about his experiences there.

02:01:10.000 And it's one of those things where you just – you don't know.

02:01:15.000 But it's – God, it's so weird.

02:01:18.000 It's like if this guy's telling the same goddamn story and then they have all these videos of these things that the go fast video and the FLIR video that the government's released that were covered in the New York Times and these crafts are exhibiting the same sort of behavior that he was explaining in 1989. Particularly in they fly like this but then when they want to go fast they rotate sideways and point whatever this gravity propulsion Whatever this thing is,

02:01:45.000 this generator, and they shoot this way, and take off.

02:01:49.000 And there's videos of these things doing this.

02:01:52.000 Wow.

02:01:53.000 40 years later.

02:01:55.000 Unbelievable.

02:01:56.000 Yeah.

02:01:57.000 So that's the biggest video.

02:01:58.000 I got a, yeah.

02:01:59.000 So that video on YouTube got 60 million views, and then on all the other platforms, who knows how many, and all the clips, it's probably hundreds of millions.

02:02:10.000 Hmm.

02:02:11.000 Yeah.

02:02:12.000 Bizarre.

02:02:14.000 But it's one of those things where you don't want to think too much about it because it might be bullshit.

02:02:19.000 That's how I feel about the whole UFO thing.

02:02:21.000 But what would be his point?

02:02:23.000 What's his motivation?

02:02:24.000 That's a good question.

02:02:25.000 I don't see how it benefits him other than he's got now people calling him a wacko.

02:02:31.000 Oh, yeah.

02:02:31.000 Which he didn't have before.

02:02:33.000 So what's the good of it?

02:02:34.000 Right.

02:02:36.000 You always got to look at possible motivation.

02:02:39.000 Well, there's a lot of people that want to pretend to be special.

02:02:42.000 So they make up stories, so they make them special.

02:02:44.000 They make up encounters.

02:02:45.000 They make up abductions.

02:02:48.000 I've been abducted by aliens.

02:02:49.000 I'm a special person.

02:02:51.000 They took me aboard.

02:02:51.000 I have a message for humanity.

02:02:53.000 There's a lot of that.

02:02:54.000 There's a lot of delusions.

02:02:57.000 That's a different thing.

02:02:59.000 Right.

02:02:59.000 I mean, a guy like that, I don't see his, you know, if that's what he actually did for a living, then I don't see why.

02:03:08.000 Why he would do that.

02:03:09.000 How he benefits.

02:03:09.000 Well, one of the more interesting stories is this guy.

02:03:12.000 This is Travis Walton.

02:03:13.000 This guy's got a little bobblehead.

02:03:15.000 Travis Walton was a guy...

02:03:17.000 I don't know if you ever saw that movie Fire in the Sky.

02:03:20.000 It was based on a bunch of loggers in Arizona.

02:03:23.000 And they saw this thing land.

02:03:25.000 And this guy, Travis Walton, gets out of the truck and goes to it and gets blasted by this...

02:03:30.000 Bolt of energy.

02:03:31.000 Collapses to the ground.

02:03:32.000 His buddies take off.

02:03:34.000 They're screaming in the car.

02:03:35.000 All these loggers are like, we've got to go back and get him.

02:03:37.000 We've got to go back and get him.

02:03:37.000 They turn around a mile later, go back.

02:03:39.000 He's gone.

02:03:40.000 He's gone for five days.

02:03:42.000 And then he shows up back in the town five days later with this fucking wild story of being abducted, taken aboard this craft.

02:03:50.000 They healed his body.

02:03:51.000 And then they communicated with him and then returned him.

02:03:54.000 And the thing about it is like all these experiences, these people talk about the exact same creatures.

02:04:00.000 They talk about the exact same entities, these things with big heads and large eyes and spindly bodies, and they're communicating telepathically.

02:04:09.000 It's like it's universal.

02:04:10.000 It's like over and over again.

02:04:12.000 It's a very similar story.

02:04:15.000 And the problem is if it happened to you, who the fuck is going to believe you?

02:04:18.000 It's a unique experience, a completely novel experience that only you have.

02:04:22.000 And then you have to go and try to make sense of it to other people that haven't experienced it, and they're going to think you're fucking crazy.

02:04:29.000 But if you have enough of these people that say the same story over and over and over again, which is if you read John Mack, he was a psychologist from Harvard that did a lot of hypnotic regression work with people that have had alien abductions.

02:04:44.000 Yeah, I read that book.

02:04:46.000 It's a crazy book, right?

02:04:47.000 I met him.

02:04:47.000 I met John Mack.

02:04:48.000 Did you really?

02:04:48.000 Yeah.

02:04:49.000 When did you meet him?

02:04:50.000 I met him on the campus at Harvard.

02:04:54.000 Oh, wow.

02:04:55.000 You know I went to Harvard, right?

02:04:57.000 Yeah.

02:04:58.000 I mean, I had a great night and then went back home.

02:05:02.000 No, I only visited there a couple times.

02:05:07.000 Well, I know you play really good chess.

02:05:10.000 I did play chess.

02:05:11.000 Magus Carlson told me.

02:05:13.000 I had Magnus Carlsen in a couple days ago.

02:05:15.000 He told me that you did one of his opening moves, that you did it for him.

02:05:19.000 And he was like, what the fuck is he doing?

02:05:21.000 He couldn't even figure out why you did that.

02:05:23.000 But he realized afterwards, oh, you're a really good chess player.

02:05:25.000 That was actually a legitimate move.

02:05:27.000 You did his opening, right?

02:05:29.000 Well, yeah.

02:05:31.000 I did one time, I did an opening for the other guy.

02:05:35.000 What's his name?

02:05:36.000 Anyway, and I'm going to do this opening, and at the same time, I want to...

02:05:41.000 Tip over with my pinky, tip over the king.

02:05:45.000 Just as a joke, you know, because you tip over the king, the game's over, right?

02:05:49.000 So I did that, but then, and there was kind of a chuckle and everything, and picked it up, and then he's looking quite concerned.

02:06:00.000 Oh yeah, this was it.

02:06:02.000 Look.

02:06:09.000 Yeah.

02:06:10.000 I knocked it down, and then I pushed it.

02:06:14.000 Yeah, they slow it down.

02:06:16.000 You can see it.

02:06:17.000 But then I pushed the pawn, right?

02:06:19.000 Because I thought he said D4, right?

02:06:24.000 He didn't say D4. He said E4. So I'm looking at his face, and he had whispered it to me into my bad ear.

02:06:32.000 And I'm like, well...

02:06:34.000 Why do you got to whisper?

02:06:35.000 I'm going to make the move anyway.

02:06:37.000 Well, Magnus said you stuck around and you played a lot of people and he said you were really good.

02:06:42.000 Oh, that's very nice.

02:06:43.000 Coming from him.

02:06:44.000 Magnus Carlsen.

02:06:45.000 Yeah.

02:06:45.000 He's the Mozart, man.

02:06:47.000 Yeah.

02:06:48.000 Fascinating guy.

02:06:49.000 He was here a couple days ago.

02:06:50.000 Was he?

02:06:51.000 Yeah.

02:06:52.000 Yeah, I do admire him.

02:06:54.000 He's great.

02:06:55.000 And that whole thing, you know, that just happened with the jeans, like that was great.

02:07:00.000 Did you see it?

02:07:01.000 You know, he went to one of the big, I forget which tournament it was, but anyway, came in jeans.

02:07:09.000 And they're very strict, right?

02:07:11.000 And so they wouldn't allow him to play.

02:07:13.000 And then...

02:07:14.000 So he basically was going to end up sacrificing the day because he came in jeans, right?

02:07:21.000 He said, I just wasn't thinking about it, you know.

02:07:23.000 Well, so then he's just like, you know, you'll have to come back tomorrow.

02:07:29.000 You're a sacrifice for today.

02:07:30.000 He's like, you know what?

02:07:31.000 I won't be back tomorrow.

02:07:32.000 And then, boom, they changed the rules.

02:07:35.000 Oh, wow.

02:07:36.000 They changed it.

02:07:37.000 Yeah, that's a stupid rule.

02:07:39.000 Yeah.

02:07:39.000 Who gives a shit if you're wearing jeans?

02:07:41.000 I know.

02:07:42.000 That doesn't make you a better or worse player.

02:07:46.000 Yeah, it's stupid.

02:07:46.000 Everybody should be able to have to play in their underwear.

02:07:48.000 That way you know they don't have any devices on them.

02:07:50.000 Right.

02:07:51.000 But they could have it in them, too.

02:07:53.000 They could, yeah.

02:07:54.000 So maybe you've got to do erectile probing before.

02:07:57.000 This is full circle with the talking about the aliens.

02:08:00.000 But, you know, maybe you have to do something before.

02:08:04.000 Well, we got into very specific ways that people cheat.

02:08:07.000 It was pretty interesting.

02:08:08.000 He was talking to us about different ways that people have been busted cheating, different people signaling them in the room, moving to different parts of the room if they wanted the piece to move in a different area.

02:08:19.000 Oh, I see.

02:08:19.000 Yeah.

02:08:20.000 Yeah, because that one guy he said was cheating, he said he knew as soon as the move was made and then he walked out.

02:08:26.000 Yeah.

02:08:26.000 That was another time.

02:08:27.000 Yeah.

02:08:28.000 He'd just say...

02:08:29.000 There's no way this guy made this move.

02:08:32.000 No chance.

02:08:32.000 That was what was fascinating, that you could tell by the way a guy's playing that something was amiss.

02:08:37.000 That this is not inside of his capability.

02:08:40.000 He knew the way the guy played so well that you could tell that something was off.

02:08:46.000 Which is so crazy.

02:08:47.000 Which is, I'm not literate in chess, so I don't understand how you could do that, but I believe him.

02:08:52.000 Especially when you talk to him, like...

02:08:55.000 Well, he's got a thumper in his sock or something.

02:08:57.000 You know, somebody's giving him a...

02:08:59.000 He thinks it's an earpiece.

02:09:00.000 Looking on a computer and then...

02:09:02.000 He thinks it's an internal earpiece, like a very small, invisible earpiece.

02:09:06.000 Is that what he thought?

02:09:07.000 Yeah.

02:09:08.000 Yeah, that's what he thinks.

02:09:09.000 He thinks that one of the possible methods.

02:09:11.000 And then there was the anal beads.

02:09:13.000 People were talking about anal beads. 0.99

02:09:14.000 Anal beads.

02:09:15.000 It's like I don't want to thump her in his sock.

02:09:18.000 He just wants to go pure inside man.

02:09:22.000 Yeah, I guess it would like vibrate.

02:09:24.000 I guess you would do it like vibrate a certain amount of times first to indicate the letter and then a couple times to indicate the number.

02:09:32.000 That's where the piece would go.

02:09:33.000 A little more is called in the rectal cavity.

02:09:37.000 Yeah.

02:09:38.000 How long have you been playing chess?

02:09:40.000 I started...

02:09:42.000 I mean, I started playing more probably like 10 years ago or maybe more than that.

02:09:48.000 I started playing Willie.

02:09:51.000 Oh, wow.

02:09:52.000 I started playing Willie all the time.

02:09:54.000 But then we'd switch over back to dominoes.

02:09:57.000 He crushes me in dominoes.

02:09:59.000 And then I was mostly winning chess.

02:10:01.000 And then toward the end of our...

02:10:06.000 He started switching to just, you know what, we'll just stay with the dominoes.

02:10:12.000 Such a hustler.

02:10:13.000 Such a hustler.

02:10:15.000 Yeah.

02:10:15.000 I tried to interview him, but he's scared of COVID. Yeah.

02:10:19.000 He's an old guy, you know.

02:10:20.000 I get it.

02:10:21.000 He's 92. Can't take a chance.

02:10:23.000 Getting infected.

02:10:25.000 You know.

02:10:27.000 A lot of old people, I got it. 1.00

02:10:29.000 I got the fear because it's like death is close to them.

02:10:32.000 It's just they're too vulnerable.

02:10:33.000 I get it.

02:10:34.000 I get why they got roped into it.

02:10:37.000 Well, yeah, the fear of germs, yeah, that's...

02:10:42.000 That was the Neil Young thing, too.

02:10:44.000 That's why I gave Neil Young a pass.

02:10:46.000 I was like, I get it.

02:10:46.000 A lot of people you still see wearing masks.

02:10:48.000 Oh, all the time.

02:10:50.000 Even in Austin.

02:10:51.000 Yeah.

02:10:52.000 I see them driving their fucking car still with masks on.

02:10:54.000 Yeah, alone in the car with the mask.

02:10:57.000 Yeah, they're just sick.

02:10:58.000 That always confuses me.

02:10:59.000 But, you know, like...

02:11:01.000 Fear is a fairly relentless occupation for some, and I don't know.

02:11:09.000 I just, you know, I studied the germ theory.

02:11:15.000 You know how it came to be the backbone of Western medicine, do you know?

02:11:19.000 The Rockefeller thing?

02:11:21.000 Well, yeah, that came after this.

02:11:23.000 But yeah, the Rockefeller...

02:11:27.000 Pushed that whole narrative.

02:11:29.000 But it was before that, in the 18...

02:11:33.000 What was it?

02:11:36.000 1887 or something?

02:11:38.000 89, where Louis Pasteur stood before the French Academy of Science and said, I've realized the origin of all disease and it's the germ theory.

02:11:50.000 And he took credit for the germ theory, which of course had been around for centuries at that point.

02:11:56.000 But there was another guy named Antoine Béchamp who was actually a real genius, whereas Pasteur was a charlatan and basically stole all these good ideas that he never had from Antoine Béchamp, including how fermentation works.

02:12:20.000 How they had diseases in the grapes at the time.

02:12:26.000 So how to deal with that disease and also having to do with, you know, where they make the silk, like silkworms and stuff.

02:12:40.000 That also was another thing that Béchamp figured out.

02:12:44.000 And then, you know...

02:12:48.000 Pasteur, who was on the same committee, ends up reading these papers and basically kind of putting his own spin on it and getting credit for, you know, the fermentation, the soapworm, the wine thing.

02:13:00.000 You know, like each thing, he becomes more and more famous.

02:13:03.000 And until he's able to sit down in front of Napoleon in 1863, Napoleon III, he said, I will eliminate all disease.

02:13:14.000 I will eradicate all human disease.

02:13:17.000 He was an arrogant guy, and he was a complete fraud.

02:13:21.000 Isn't that a bummer?

02:13:22.000 And Pasteur believed the germ theory, obviously.

02:13:26.000 That's the theory that he pushed, right?

02:13:28.000 And then Beauchamp believed in the terrain theory.

02:13:33.000 Now, that's what I believe.

02:13:34.000 The terrain theory, the germ theory, obviously, a pathogen, a germ, a virus, whatever, lands in your...

02:13:44.000 Cornflakes are on your eyeball or whatever.

02:13:47.000 It gets inside you.

02:13:48.000 And then in this blank, pristine, blank slate environment, it causes damage, maybe sickness, and eventually death.

02:13:56.000 To me, I don't believe this theory as much as I do the terrain theory, which is that your health is dependent upon your internal biological terrain and your internal filthiness or cleanliness.

02:14:13.000 And so that's what I believe is where people's immune system gets messed up from what they're consuming.

02:14:21.000 And in a nutshell, that's why I believe in Beauchamp's theory as opposed to the germ theory.

02:14:29.000 And at least it's got to be both.

02:14:32.000 At the very least, it's got to be both.

02:14:34.000 I would imagine it's both.

02:14:36.000 I mean, we know for a fact that one of the main...

02:14:40.000 Factors in eliminating diseases in North America was when they started having hygiene and when they started having flowing water and sewage systems and that just having cleanliness.

02:14:58.000 I mean, most cities at the turn of the century were filled with filth.

02:15:02.000 I mean, during the smallpox epidemic, people lived Terrible.

02:15:07.000 They lived in filth when you had the various, like there's a bunch of different diseases that can be attributed to poor hygiene.

02:15:16.000 Poor hygiene, no access to antibiotics, no access to any kind of medicine.

02:15:21.000 And we all attribute that just to a disease broke out.

02:15:25.000 But why did the disease break out?

02:15:27.000 Well, the people who are living in filth, there was no running water.

02:15:31.000 They didn't have any sewage systems.

02:15:33.000 They didn't have...

02:15:34.000 They didn't have any sort of antibiotics, and including, like, when people talk about the Spanish flu, like, if the Spanish flu broke out today, we'd be fucked.

02:15:42.000 No, we wouldn't.

02:15:43.000 First of all, we have antibiotics now.

02:15:46.000 Spanish flu would be killed quickly.

02:15:47.000 The real factor was all these diseases that people were getting because of the infection that could be cured by antibiotics.

02:15:58.000 I'm not a big antibiotics guy.

02:16:00.000 At all?

02:16:02.000 No, I mean, I took them.

02:16:04.000 I took them one time.

02:16:06.000 I credit them with really having saved me.

02:16:09.000 Oh, they'll save you under certain conditions.

02:16:11.000 Right, right.

02:16:12.000 If your immune system's shot and there's nothing else you can do to bolster your immune system...

02:16:20.000 In a short amount of time where whatever is happening is happening quickly.

02:16:26.000 But you're saying like ubiquitous use of antibiotics for everything.

02:16:29.000 Yeah, where it's just like a Pez dispenser.

02:16:33.000 And it does affect your immune system adversely, especially continuous use of antibiotics.

02:16:40.000 It's also why we have MRSA. What?

02:16:42.000 MRSA. MRSA is medication-resistant staph infections.

02:16:46.000 Right, right.

02:16:47.000 Okay.

02:16:48.000 I've had a bunch of friends who get that because that's one of the side effects.

02:16:51.000 One of the unfortunate aspects of jiu-jitsu is a lot of guys get staph infections.

02:16:57.000 If you're not clean, you're not taking care of it.

02:16:59.000 Because of what?

02:17:00.000 Getting scratched and scraped up, and you're on the ground, dirty mats, people come in dirty, and you can get an infection.

02:17:08.000 I've had staph twice.

02:17:09.000 You get staff, ringworm, a bunch of different things that people normally get on the mat.

02:17:14.000 But there's ways to combat that in a healthy, organic way.

02:17:19.000 And one of the best ways is the use of...

02:17:23.000 There's a bunch of different oils, tea tree oil and eucalyptus oil, a bunch of oils that don't affect your skin biome in a negative way.

02:17:32.000 But what they do is they protect you from bad diseases.

02:17:35.000 There's a company called Defense Soap, and I always recommend it.

02:17:38.000 I don't have any affiliation with them.

02:17:40.000 My friend Guy Sacco runs the company, but he developed it because a bunch of wrestlers and grapplers were getting skin infections.

02:17:47.000 And so he developed natural remedies that don't affect your...

02:17:53.000 Because a lot of times, guys would take, like, antibiotic soap, and they would clean themselves with antibiotic soap.

02:17:58.000 The problem with that is it kills all your healthy flora, all the skin flora that's healthy.

02:18:02.000 That gets torched, too.

02:18:03.000 It's taking a blowtorch to, you know, like a small patch of weed so you could just pluck out.

02:18:09.000 And instead of doing that...

02:18:10.000 He developed a soap that uses all these natural organic remedies that, you know, doesn't affect you in a negative way at all.

02:18:20.000 It's the only soap I use.

02:18:21.000 I use that soap every day.

02:18:22.000 And it keeps your skin healthy and it doesn't fuck it up.

02:18:25.000 So there's ways around it.

02:18:26.000 The real way is to prevent it, though, because once you actually get staph, especially if it's aggressive, you've got to take antibiotics or you're fucked.

02:18:36.000 Well...

02:18:36.000 It gets systemic.

02:18:38.000 Yeah.

02:18:39.000 My friend's wife... 1.00

02:18:40.000 Oh, sorry, go ahead.

02:18:41.000 My friend, his friend's wife, rather, died of it.

02:18:44.000 She was trying to do it organically. 0.66

02:18:46.000 She was trying to, like, use herbal remedies, and she wound up dying of staph infection. 0.81

02:18:50.000 Because it gets systemic.

02:18:51.000 Yeah, it gets into your blood and goes into your whole body, and then you're fucked.

02:18:55.000 You really have to get on heavy, hardcore IV antibiotics for long stretches of time.

02:19:00.000 I've had friends that have huge scars on their body because they got a massive MRSA infection in their knees, and then they had to get it all, what?

02:19:09.000 Opened up.

02:19:10.000 They have to clean it out and they have to get them on IV antibiotics.

02:19:14.000 It's a fucking, it's a nightmare.

02:19:15.000 And it's one of the main reasons why people die after surgeries.

02:19:19.000 It happens after surgeries where people get MRSA infections.

02:19:23.000 Hmm.

02:19:24.000 Yeah.

02:19:24.000 Well, Jesus.

02:19:26.000 Superbugs.

02:19:27.000 Let's just stay healthy.

02:19:28.000 Yes.

02:19:29.000 Stay healthy, Woody.

02:19:30.000 Yeah.

02:19:31.000 Yeah.

02:19:32.000 Do you eat only vegetables?

02:19:33.000 Is that what you're talking about?

02:19:33.000 Like meat?

02:19:34.000 Are you a vegan?

02:19:36.000 I'm a vegan.

02:19:37.000 Yeah?

02:19:38.000 Yeah.

02:19:41.000 But, you know, I mean, I really, my real belief is in raw living food.

02:19:50.000 Because I feel like, you know, we talk a lot about you getting your protein or you getting your carbs or whatever.

02:19:57.000 I think the most important component of the food are the enzymes.

02:20:03.000 The enzymes being the life force of the food.

02:20:08.000 The enzymatic activities, your eyes blinking, your heart beating, those are enzymatic activities.

02:20:13.000 If it wasn't for enzymes, we couldn't do them.

02:20:15.000 Like, enzymes are highly important.

02:20:17.000 Anything you cook over 118 degrees for a minute, you destroy the enzymes and most of the nutritional value of the food.

02:20:24.000 And that's why I'm a believer in raw, living food.

02:20:28.000 And I just know from when I, you know, I've had lots of experiments for when I... I was doing it when I was eating a lot of cooked food.

02:20:39.000 You can really feel the difference.

02:20:42.000 There's no question about it supporting the energy of the body better than anything.

02:20:48.000 But meanwhile, I agree that it's very hard to avoid eating cooked food because it's delicious.

02:20:54.000 But to have as much raw as possible, that's my thing.

02:21:04.000 Try to get a lot of sprouts and microgreens and everything.

02:21:07.000 And then, you know, I also eat, you know, cooked food.

02:21:12.000 Do you take algae or anything?

02:21:15.000 Were you getting B vitamins?

02:21:17.000 Do you think?

02:21:17.000 Yeah, I take...

02:21:19.000 I do take...

02:21:21.000 I take niacin.

02:21:23.000 I take...

02:21:25.000 I should take more of a comprehensive B vitamin probably.

02:21:28.000 But I do take reishi and I take ginseng every day.

02:21:36.000 So healthy mushrooms?

02:21:38.000 Yeah, I believe in the healthy mushrooms.

02:21:40.000 I take all that stuff too.

02:21:41.000 Yeah, there's a cool...

02:21:43.000 I've got to get on the regular medicinal mushrooms.

02:21:47.000 Those are crucial.

02:21:48.000 And especially brain repair, which is I think something I need.

02:21:55.000 I think we all do.

02:21:56.000 We do fix those pathways that have been compromised.

02:22:01.000 Do you ever fuck around with nootropics?

02:22:02.000 Do you take any nootropics?

02:22:04.000 Like what?

02:22:05.000 Nootropics are essentially nutrients that contribute to cognitive function, building blocks for human neurotransmitters, acetylcholine, theanine, things along those lines.

02:22:17.000 No, I don't do that, but I'm open-minded.

02:22:22.000 Yeah.

02:22:23.000 I imagine Downey would know all about that stuff.

02:22:26.000 Yeah, I bet he would.

02:22:27.000 Yeah.

02:22:28.000 He's really, really knowledgeable about that.

02:22:31.000 But you've studied this shit, too.

02:22:33.000 Yeah.

02:22:34.000 The thing about it is you could almost take stuff all day long because there's so many different things that could benefit you.

02:22:41.000 You'd have to have a fucking stack of shit in front of you all day long, which gets tiresome.

02:22:49.000 Yeah, I mean, I much prefer, I mean, I think the best thing for restoring health, for if you're sick and you want to get better, is fasting.

02:23:01.000 Fasting is fantastic for you.

02:23:03.000 They've been doing it for thousands of years, and it just works.

02:23:05.000 It does.

02:23:06.000 Because the congestion in the body is really what disease is.

02:23:11.000 It's congestion.

02:23:12.000 It's inflammation.

02:23:13.000 But yeah, inflammation, you could call it that too.

02:23:18.000 Congestion begins in the colon.

02:23:21.000 And so you don't clean that out.

02:23:25.000 Issues.

02:23:26.000 Yeah.

02:23:27.000 Do you concern yourself?

02:23:28.000 Do you eat organic vegetables only?

02:23:30.000 Yeah.

02:23:31.000 That's huge.

02:23:32.000 Because, I mean, I think, what is it, like 90-something percent of people tested have glyphosate in their system?

02:23:38.000 I was reading some study on fucking Girl Scout cookies.

02:23:44.000 Like how many, like they've done studies on Girl Scout cookies where they break them down and find out what's in them.

02:23:50.000 Holy shit.

02:23:51.000 They're fucking toxic as fuck.

02:23:55.000 Yeah, I'll send it to you, Jamie.

02:23:56.000 I sent it to my wife because she's trying to avoid Girl Scout cookies. 0.66

02:23:59.000 You see the smiling face of the Girl Scout?

02:24:02.000 You can't imagine she's going to give you something bad.

02:24:05.000 Yeah, those little hustlers, they catch you at the grocery store. 0.76

02:24:10.000 I'll find this for you, Jamie.

02:24:12.000 There was this thing about...

02:24:14.000 Oh, here it is.

02:24:17.000 Different seed oils, all the different things in them.

02:24:22.000 Yeah, it's probably one of them.

02:24:24.000 What does it say here?

02:24:25.000 Thin mints being the worst offenders.

02:24:28.000 Five flavors of Girl Scout cookies contained...

02:24:30.000 Scroll up, back up, back up.

02:24:32.000 Contained levels of glyphosate and heavy metals above EPA water safety limits.

02:24:38.000 New investigation found 100% of tested Girl Scout cookies contained glyphosate.

02:24:42.000 100% controversial herbicide in Roundup.

02:24:45.000 88% contained toxic metals like arsenic, lead, and mercury.

02:24:49.000 Key finding, Thin Mints had the highest glyphosate levels at 111.07.

02:24:59.000 334 times what experts say is harmful.

02:25:03.000 Peanut butter patties had the highest heavy metal contamination with lead reaching 42.5 ppb and aluminum at 27,500 ppb ppm.

02:25:16.000 76% of cookies tested exceeded cadmium safety limits and 96% contained lead.

02:25:23.000 That's wild.

02:25:24.000 Girl Scout USA, which sells 200 million boxes per year, $800 million in revenue, did not respond to researchers before publication.

02:25:32.000 I wonder why.

02:25:33.000 They didn't respond.

02:25:33.000 I wonder why.

02:25:34.000 I wonder why they wouldn't chime in.

02:25:37.000 Isn't that crazy?

02:25:39.000 See, there you go.

02:25:40.000 And by the way, you could replicate this same thing in so much of the American diet.

02:25:46.000 What does Girl Scout cookies have to say?

02:25:47.000 Girl Scout cookies are made with ingredients that adhere to food safety standards set by the FDA and other relevant authorities.

02:25:53.000 Oh, really?

02:25:54.000 Our trusted bakers remain committed to compliance with all food safety standards.

02:25:58.000 Maybe we should change the fucking food safety standards just because you're complying with bullshit standards. 1.00

02:26:04.000 That's what I'm hoping is going to happen going forward.

02:26:06.000 I'm hoping too.

02:26:07.000 I think, you know, I don't know how much Bobby can affect things and what he actually can do, but I know what he's trying to do.

02:26:14.000 And one of the main things he's trying to do is this whole idea of this Maha movement, make America healthy again.

02:26:20.000 And that's possible.

02:26:22.000 This is something we could do.

02:26:23.000 It'd be so nice, dude.

02:26:25.000 And, you know, not a lot of, you know, it could be relatively simple.

02:26:31.000 Just modification.

02:26:33.000 It doesn't have to be a revolution in one's diet.

02:26:36.000 But, like, you know, first thing I'd do is cut out Girl Scout cookies.

02:26:43.000 That's my first thing.

02:26:45.000 It's crazy that 100% of them have glyphosate.

02:26:47.000 Like, fucking A, man.

02:26:49.000 Well, the glyphosate is just absolutely crazy.

02:26:52.000 We know how toxic and terrible it is, and we're still using it constantly.

02:26:58.000 And other countries aren't.

02:26:59.000 In corporate or industrial farming.

02:27:02.000 It's just wrong.

02:27:04.000 I know you're into regenerative farming.

02:27:06.000 I think that's great.

02:27:07.000 But you see, over the long haul, the regenerative farmer gains.

02:27:13.000 He gains financially, and he gains in terms of the...

02:27:17.000 Soil not just turning to shit.

02:27:19.000 Well, you want some shit in your soil.

02:27:22.000 Okay, well, let's not get sidetracked.

02:27:25.000 But, yeah, like...

02:27:27.000 You know, it's a net gain in the end, so hopefully...

02:27:31.000 It's carbon neutral.

02:27:32.000 Yeah.

02:27:33.000 Everyone's trying to reduce carbon.

02:27:34.000 Organic farms are carbon neutral because that's how nature intended animals to live.

02:27:40.000 That's how nature intended us to grow crops.

02:27:43.000 It's all supposed to be animals graze, manure, all this different stuff.

02:27:48.000 It helps.

02:27:49.000 It helps everything.

02:27:50.000 You've got to think of the soil biome just as much as you have to think of your own biome.

02:27:54.000 Yeah, and it all works together.

02:27:57.000 God, there's people out there like Joel Salatin, who runs Polyface Farms, and Will Harris, who runs White Oak Pastures, who have educated these people and written books and gone on these tours and explained to people.

02:28:09.000 Will Harris, who's been on the podcast a couple of times, he spent 20 years changing his family farm, which was an industrial farm, into regenerative agriculture.

02:28:20.000 And you can see the difference in the soil.

02:28:22.000 We have two glass bottles of soil.

02:28:26.000 Soil out there, one from an industrial farm and one from his farm.

02:28:30.000 And his farm is dark and rich and filled with nutrients.

02:28:34.000 And the other one is just pale and dead and just covered in bullshit fucking chemicals.

02:28:41.000 And meanwhile, that's the stuff that gets highly subsidized.

02:28:45.000 Yes.

02:28:45.000 So, yeah, it's a catch-22.

02:28:49.000 If the real value, if the real expense of what happens to that soil were experienced by the American taxpayer, I think there'd be a revolt.

02:29:01.000 Well, you know, we're lazy people.

02:29:04.000 I'm a lazy bastard.

02:29:04.000 Well, the real problem is we have so many people that need food and that we're reliant upon factory farming right now to a large extent because there's...

02:29:16.000 Enormous populations of people that live in a place where they grow nothing. 1.00

02:29:20.000 Whether it's New York City or it's Los Angeles, urban environments, they need food constantly shipped into them and no one's growing anything.

02:29:27.000 And the population keeps booming and you've got to get these people food.

02:29:32.000 And we right now are dependent upon factory farming for a lot of that food.

02:29:38.000 Well, I wonder if you could, through regenerative farming, cover it.

02:29:43.000 I wonder.

02:29:44.000 Could that ultimately be...

02:29:45.000 Yeah, I wonder.

02:29:47.000 I think people are definitely going to have to change the way they eat.

02:29:48.000 It has to change.

02:29:50.000 We at least have to change the way we farm because otherwise we're going to have just more desertification.

02:29:59.000 But at least people are aware of it now.

02:30:02.000 At least there's more information and more education about that today than has ever been before.

02:30:07.000 I mean, this was never a discussion when I was a kid.

02:30:09.000 I never heard anything about that.

02:30:10.000 It was just being done, and this is just you got food, and you didn't think about where it came from.

02:30:15.000 And then the term organic came around.

02:30:17.000 Like, what's that?

02:30:18.000 Like, it's no pesticides.

02:30:19.000 Like, what's a pesticide?

02:30:20.000 What's on the food?

02:30:21.000 You know, like, we didn't know.

02:30:23.000 And back then, there was no access to any information other than mainstream media.

02:30:28.000 So it was pretty easy for them to keep going on with these...

02:30:31.000 Practice this without, unless you went out and sought it out and went and found books or someone told you about a book, you didn't know.

02:30:39.000 You didn't get that information.

02:30:40.000 I think more people have that information now than ever before.

02:30:44.000 So that's one of the reasons why I'm hopeful.

02:30:47.000 And I think Bobby really does have an idea of how to do this.

02:30:51.000 And I hope he's successful.

02:30:53.000 Yeah, me too.

02:30:56.000 Well, listen, brother, it's been great talking to you.

02:30:58.000 I really appreciated it.

02:31:00.000 I'm very happy to meet you.

02:31:02.000 I've enjoyed your work for so many years, so it's a pleasure to do this.

02:31:07.000 Pleasure's all mine, dude.

02:31:09.000 I really am.

02:31:10.000 It's a privilege to be here with you.

02:31:13.000 Thank you for having me on.

02:31:14.000 My pleasure.

02:31:15.000 Let's break bread someday.

02:31:16.000 Have a good time.

02:31:17.000 I'd love to.

02:31:18.000 I'll get your info and I'll give you my email.

02:31:21.000 Sounds good, brother.

02:31:23.000 Thank you very much.

02:31:24.000 Thanks for being here.

The Joe Rogan Experience - February 22, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2277 - Woody Harrelson

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