The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2278

00:00:00.000 - Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. - The Joe Rogan experience.

00:00:06.000 - Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. - We're debuting these mugs.

00:00:17.000 My friend Turkey Merc on Instagram sent me these Cheshire Cat mugs.

00:00:21.000 Isn't that badass?

00:00:22.000 Yeah.

00:00:23.000 That's really good.

00:00:24.000 I thought it'd be good for you, because we're talking about mind fucks.

00:00:27.000 Cheshire Cat's a little bit of a mind fuck.

00:00:29.000 In the simulation.

00:00:31.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:00:32.000 So you were just telling me that you had a brain disease.

00:00:38.000 And what did you do to fix it?

00:00:43.000 What was it, first of all?

00:00:45.000 It's temporal epilepsy with mesial temporal sclerosis.

00:00:49.000 When did you develop this?

00:00:51.000 We don't know, but I started having seizures like a few years ago.

00:00:56.000 And everybody in my family knows I'm a neuroscientist.

00:00:59.000 I'd say with a lowercase n, not a PhD neuroscientist.

00:01:02.000 But you studied neuroscience?

00:01:04.000 Yeah.

00:01:05.000 I had postgrad at Harvard and Duke.

00:01:08.000 But they assumed, you know, Chase has studied all this stuff.

00:01:12.000 He's going to know if he's having seizures.

00:01:14.000 But these seizures come with amnesia.

00:01:18.000 So I didn't remember that I was having any of them.

00:01:20.000 And this was like three years ago.

00:01:21.000 I had retired from the military and then started having these seizures.

00:01:27.000 Then I found a neurologist.

00:01:30.000 The drug that they gave me, the number one side effect was seizures from this pharmaceutical company.

00:01:37.000 So I kind of looked around, and I found this guy.

00:01:40.000 He's a functional medicine guy, and he got me on methylene blue to start off.

00:01:46.000 And I know Mel Gibson was on here talking about it.

00:01:49.000 And that instantly stopped everything.

00:01:54.000 And some other stuff.

00:01:55.000 That stuff was a fabric dye, right?

00:01:57.000 Yeah, in 1890. How weird.

00:02:01.000 Who the fuck drank it first?

00:02:04.000 Who's that guy?

00:02:06.000 Make blue jeans out of that?

00:02:07.000 Huh.

00:02:08.000 I wonder what it tastes like.

00:02:09.000 Yeah.

00:02:10.000 What if I drink it every day if it affects my health?

00:02:12.000 It tastes like chewing an aspirin.

00:02:14.000 I'd take it.

00:02:15.000 Okay.

00:02:16.000 Yeah.

00:02:16.000 I'd take it every day as well.

00:02:18.000 Yeah, RFK Jr. told me about it.

00:02:19.000 Yeah, man, it's fantastic.

00:02:21.000 And so this guy's injecting, in 1890, injects these rats with it and then does an autopsy on these things.

00:02:28.000 And their brain, the brainstem, every single nerve is blue.

00:02:32.000 So he discovered this methylene blue has an affinity for neuronal tissue.

00:02:37.000 So he says, well, it's sucking into neurons.

00:02:40.000 What's it doing?

00:02:40.000 So we could talk about it if you want to, but how it's working and working in the body.

00:02:47.000 So he started putting it in humans.

00:02:49.000 And we found out it's an MAOI, which is...

00:02:52.000 Monoamine oxide inhibitor.

00:02:54.000 Yeah.

00:02:55.000 Which helps with depression and anxiety and all kinds of life stress and stuff.

00:03:00.000 Does it cause side effects if you're taking any drug that you shouldn't take with an MAOI? There are some studies that have been recalled that said you can't take it with SSRIs because you could develop serotonin syndrome.

00:03:14.000 Right.

00:03:14.000 But they did recall the study as far as I'm aware.

00:03:19.000 It is so incredible that it acts as an electron donor to mitochondria, especially your neuronal mitochondria.

00:03:27.000 So it helps you produce more ATP, and it helps you get rid of this stuff called reactive oxygen species.

00:03:34.000 So you have an oxygen molecule that should have two hydrogens on it, and your body's job is to convert stuff into water so you can pee it out.

00:03:41.000 So if you get an oxygen molecule, it's got four or five...

00:03:45.000 One, it's a reactive oxygen, which we call free radicals.

00:03:49.000 So methylene blue goes in there and balances a lot of those things out in your brain and your nervous system.

00:03:55.000 So it is a miracle, and it's been proven for 100 years.

00:03:59.000 It's one of the most well-proven drugs out there.

00:04:03.000 What's the side effects of it?

00:04:04.000 Are there any?

00:04:05.000 Not a bunch.

00:04:06.000 I would imagine if you're taking an MAOI, there's wild shit going on there.

00:04:12.000 Yeah.

00:04:13.000 Like, if you mix it with anything that has metyramine in it, like aged cheeses, red wine, you're not supposed to mix it.

00:04:23.000 If you're on a high dose, though, but you're probably taking one milligram per kilogram.

00:04:27.000 And you weigh probably 75 kilograms.

00:04:29.000 What's that weight?

00:04:31.000 75 kilograms?

00:04:32.000 You're probably 189, 190?

00:04:34.000 Close.

00:04:35.000 Yeah, pretty close.

00:04:36.000 A little heavier than that.

00:04:37.000 And so you take maybe...

00:04:37.000 Okay.

00:04:40.000 40 milligrams a day to 80 milligrams a day.

00:04:42.000 And you put it in water?

00:04:44.000 Is that what you do?

00:04:44.000 No, I have these little trokes.

00:04:46.000 It's like the consistency of a starburst.

00:04:48.000 Oh, okay.

00:04:49.000 And you just cut them up and they're 40 milligrams each.

00:04:52.000 You obviously got to swallow them really quick or your teeth are going to be blue for an entire day.

00:04:57.000 Yeah, it's a pretty potent dye.

00:04:59.000 I see it in my pee.

00:05:00.000 Yeah.

00:05:01.000 Well, I had to change the toilets in my house to black toilets because my kids take it.

00:05:07.000 My wife takes it.

00:05:08.000 Jesus.

00:05:09.000 Everybody takes it.

00:05:10.000 But, like, if you go to a party and you forget to flush, everybody just thinks that there's blue stuff in it.

00:05:13.000 It's one of those supplements that I take.

00:05:15.000 I'm like, are you sure?

00:05:17.000 Like, every time I take it, I'm like, are you fucking sure?

00:05:19.000 Like, I drink it in water.

00:05:21.000 I take a little eyedropper and I squirt it in water and I drink it.

00:05:24.000 No, Gary Brecka told me about it.

00:05:25.000 I should correct that.

00:05:26.000 He told me to take it with red light therapy.

00:05:29.000 That's what it was about.

00:05:32.000 Did he tell you why?

00:05:33.000 Why it all works?

00:05:34.000 He probably did, but I probably forgot.

00:05:37.000 Why does it work for red light therapy?

00:05:40.000 So anything that's blue means that it absorbs red and reflects blue light.

00:05:46.000 So if you're in a red light therapy machine, all your neurons are soaking up way more red light than they otherwise would without methylene.

00:05:56.000 So it's fantastic.

00:05:57.000 It's like 600x the effectiveness of red light therapy.

00:06:00.000 I'm making that up, but it is a significant.

00:06:00.000 Really?

00:06:03.000 Yeah.

00:06:03.000 Sounds good.

00:06:04.000 It's a significant increase.

00:06:05.000 How weird is it to be essentially a brain expert and get a brain disease?

00:06:10.000 It was horrifying because I know where this is going to go.

00:06:16.000 Your hippocampus, your memory center of your brain, is eating itself.

00:06:21.000 And during a seizure, you can lose up to about a million neurons a second.

00:06:26.000 And the seizures were like a minute and a half long.

00:06:28.000 And they're not like shaking on the floor.

00:06:30.000 A temporal lobe seizure, you're just kind of like, you're just out.

00:06:33.000 Like you're unconscious.

00:06:35.000 You seize up like Mitch McConnell.

00:06:36.000 Yeah, like you turn into a little zombie.

00:06:38.000 Your head falls down.

00:06:39.000 And at the end of the day, I tried so many different things to fix it and stop these seizures.

00:06:47.000 I was at a point of nine seizures a day.

00:06:49.000 Jesus.

00:06:51.000 I was desperate.

00:06:52.000 And you think this is because of the medication that they gave you that causes seizures?

00:06:55.000 Or is this just a...

00:06:56.000 I never took it.

00:06:57.000 Oh, okay.

00:06:58.000 So you had seizures, but the medication...

00:07:01.000 Why would they give you something that has a side effect of seizures?

00:07:06.000 I don't know.

00:07:07.000 If you're getting seizures.

00:07:08.000 And I don't know why they're...

00:07:10.000 I mean, you hear so much about these medical schools getting paid off by companies and stuff that don't really have our best interests at heart.

00:07:19.000 And I think that methylene blue, you shouldn't have to tell a doctor about methylene blue.

00:07:24.000 I think everybody should know about it.

00:07:25.000 And you can get it on Amazon.

00:07:27.000 I get mine from this company called Mitozen.

00:07:30.000 And it's fantastic.

00:07:32.000 And it's changed my life.

00:07:34.000 I would have been gone by now.

00:07:36.000 What's the root cause of this disease?

00:07:38.000 Do they know what's going on?

00:07:38.000 Do they know?

00:07:39.000 So there's one, there's two factors.

00:07:42.000 You have a genetic predisposition.

00:07:45.000 So you have this thing in your genes called the APOE4 allel.

00:07:48.000 Okay.

00:07:49.000 That's the same thing that causes you to get CTE. And yeah, Alzheimer's.

00:07:53.000 And if you have that plus...

00:07:53.000 Yeah.

00:07:56.000 I shouldn't say causes you, but it's one of those ones where if you get hit in the head a lot, it's not a good thing to have.

00:08:01.000 Right.

00:08:02.000 And then I did 20 years in the military.

00:08:04.000 So being around explosions and all kinds of gunfire and all that kind of stuff, they said this probably caused some kind of concussive syndrome.

00:08:14.000 Yeah, that's a real issue, right?

00:08:16.000 People think of concussions only as like you getting hit, but it's not.

00:08:21.000 It's any kind of jolting to your body.

00:08:24.000 My friend Mark Gordon works with a lot of soldiers and people with traumatic brain injuries, and he says you can get it from jet skiing, which is really crazy.

00:08:33.000 Wow, just the bounce?

00:08:34.000 Mm-hmm.

00:08:35.000 Hard bouncing, the jostling.

00:08:37.000 People who really love jet skiing and do it all the time, they start getting a little bit of CTE. That makes sense.

00:08:43.000 Our brain is floating.

00:08:45.000 It's neutrally buoyant inside of liquid, so that makes sense.

00:08:49.000 It's smashing around inside your skull.

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00:09:58.000 So, how did you get involved in, I mean, your space is like, you wrote this book, Behavior Ops Manual, and you've got a lot of stuff online, like how to motivate yourself and discipline yourself, and that's how I found out about you.

00:10:14.000 Some of the different videos that I thought were really insightful about how to sort of schedule progress in whatever you're trying to accomplish in your life, how to set things up.

00:10:25.000 How did you get involved in all this kind of stuff?

00:10:27.000 It's a story.

00:10:29.000 I mean, I was 19 years old, stationed in Pearl Harbor.

00:10:32.000 I got turned down by a girl one night, and I went home and I typed in how to tell when girls like you on the internet.

00:10:41.000 I printed out like a two-foot stack of shit just to read through because I didn't want to be rejected again.

00:10:48.000 That's hilarious.

00:10:49.000 I got into this body language stuff, and then it was just...

00:10:53.000 And the more I could kind of see somebody's insecurities and when somebody was stressed and the little fears that are hiding behind behaviors, like, it made them human to me.

00:11:03.000 So I think I had some social anxiety.

00:11:05.000 And me being able to kind of see behind that mask, I wasn't judging anybody, but it was like, wow, they're messed up too.

00:11:11.000 So I kind of got addicted to that, and I just rode this line down this behavior path.

00:11:16.000 And I got obsessed with studying all this behavior.

00:11:20.000 And a friend of mine...

00:11:21.000 Was killed on USS Cole during the terrorist attack in 2001. September 11th, the Cole got attacked in the Gulf of Yemen.

00:11:29.000 And I was reading these intelligence reports afterward that said there's failures on the ground.

00:11:36.000 We didn't develop assets in the country.

00:11:37.000 We didn't take the actions that we needed to take to get this intelligence.

00:11:42.000 And I was like, man, they need this behavior stuff.

00:11:44.000 So I got more and more obsessed with it, and I started training people in the government.

00:11:49.000 Probably around the age of 30 or so.

00:11:52.000 And that was like just a few years before I retired at 38. And the novelty still hasn't worn off for me.

00:11:58.000 I'm still obsessed with that field of study.

00:12:01.000 So were you trained to train people?

00:12:03.000 Like, how did you go about starting to train people?

00:12:05.000 What was it based on?

00:12:07.000 It was me.

00:12:09.000 The first group of people I trained was a car dealership, just to see if I could do it.

00:12:13.000 I said, I'm going to go in there and do it for free.

00:12:16.000 And then I started training people in the military.

00:12:19.000 And these are U.S. Navy and other branches.

00:12:24.000 And I'm training them in like these.

00:12:26.000 I got obsessed with this interrogation stuff and how the brain works.

00:12:30.000 And I mostly got obsessed with if I'm an intelligence officer, my job is to convince somebody to do something that's not in their best interest.

00:12:39.000 Like, I need to convince you to spy for your own country and give us intelligence.

00:12:42.000 Or if I'm an interrogator, I need to convince you to confess to a crime.

00:12:47.000 So I spent time hanging out with people that do cult recruiting out in California.

00:12:52.000 There's, like, official people?

00:12:55.000 Like, human resources for cult recruiting?

00:12:58.000 What do you mean?

00:12:58.000 Yeah.

00:12:59.000 Do cults hire them?

00:13:01.000 No, I think they join the cult and the cult says, oh, this guy's really charismatic.

00:13:06.000 Or he was a...

00:13:08.000 I think half of these dudes were ex-club promoters.

00:13:11.000 That makes sense.

00:13:13.000 They got that vibe.

00:13:13.000 Right.

00:13:16.000 I spent time in San Bernardino with a couple of people, three or four people, three people, that talked women into doing adult films.

00:13:26.000 Like young girls that were 19, 20 years old, just starting college.

00:13:30.000 And I asked them...

00:13:33.000 What are the methods that you use?

00:13:34.000 What are the steps that you follow?

00:13:36.000 And I've watched several of these interactions and then spent time with interrogators and people who do like timeshare sales and stuff like that, which I don't know if you've ever been at a timeshare sales.

00:13:46.000 No, I have not.

00:13:47.000 They're hardcore.

00:13:49.000 So I spent time with all these people and I wanted to figure out what are the elements that make somebody willing to do something that is maybe not in their best interest.

00:13:58.000 And that...

00:13:59.000 It transformed everything for me.

00:14:01.000 And then I said, we could use all of this stuff from Manchurian candidates, which we can get into if you want to, to whatever, to help people instead of to do the opposite.

00:14:13.000 So I could use the same technique to help a person instead of get them to confess to a crime.

00:14:18.000 Because it's just a brain.

00:14:20.000 I'm not learning about interrogation or cult recruiting or anything.

00:14:23.000 I'm just learning, where are these little loopholes in the brain?

00:14:27.000 Does that make sense?

00:14:28.000 Yeah.

00:14:28.000 So what cults were these people recruiting people for?

00:14:33.000 I can't talk about it.

00:14:34.000 You can't say the name of the cults?

00:14:35.000 I can't say the name.

00:14:35.000 How many different people did you talk to that were cult recruiters?

00:14:38.000 Six.

00:14:39.000 Six?

00:14:39.000 So there's more than six.

00:14:41.000 How many cults are there active right now?

00:14:42.000 It was two.

00:14:43.000 There were two cults.

00:14:44.000 Two cults.

00:14:44.000 Six recruiters.

00:14:45.000 Yep.

00:14:46.000 I call them.

00:14:46.000 I would call them cults.

00:14:49.000 I call a lot of things cults, so throw that word around freely.

00:14:52.000 Let's do it.

00:14:54.000 And these guys were just...

00:14:57.000 They had that little Bill Clinton energy.

00:14:59.000 You know what I mean?

00:15:00.000 They just kind of captivated the person they were talking to in this little bubble.

00:15:03.000 They were all about you.

00:15:04.000 They were really interested in you.

00:15:07.000 I heard Tom Cruise is awesome at that.

00:15:09.000 Oh, yeah.

00:15:10.000 I heard when you talk to him, you're like the only person in the room.

00:15:12.000 Yeah.

00:15:13.000 And it's just that, tell me more.

00:15:15.000 Tell me more.

00:15:16.000 Tell me about your mom.

00:15:18.000 And you get that.

00:15:20.000 They all had that quality to them.

00:15:23.000 But one of the things that all of them had, the one trait that I think all of those guys had, was they could get you to deviate off of your baseline really quick.

00:15:33.000 So if they can get you to curse, that's step one.

00:15:36.000 They get you to say something that's a little bit outside of a social norm, they would all do that as step one.

00:15:44.000 Every single time.

00:15:46.000 Huh.

00:15:47.000 So in the cult, how would they do that?

00:15:50.000 What would they try to get you to deviate from?

00:15:52.000 What would they try to get you to do?

00:15:55.000 So their goal was to get you to agree to join the cult.

00:15:59.000 So if I can get you to do something that's outside of your norm, so I use something called elicitation.

00:16:04.000 So instead of me asking questions, let's say we get into the back of an Uber and I want to ask the Uber driver to complain about his job.

00:16:12.000 Instead of using questions, which are weird, right?

00:16:15.000 So I'm like, hey, do you like your job?

00:16:17.000 Right.

00:16:18.000 That's weird.

00:16:19.000 Weird.

00:16:19.000 It's like saying, hey, how much do you guys make?

00:16:22.000 You say, hey, I just read this article the other day.

00:16:24.000 It said Uber drivers are the most highest respected people out there and they love their job.

00:16:30.000 They have the highest job satisfaction rating.

00:16:32.000 That's incredible.

00:16:33.000 And the guy turns around like, what?

00:16:36.000 So you bullshitted him.

00:16:37.000 Right.

00:16:37.000 So that's called triggering a need to correct the record.

00:16:42.000 It's one of the methods.

00:16:44.000 But I very quickly get your brain to associate a mental script of friend mode.

00:16:50.000 Because he doesn't talk about that with other writers.

00:16:52.000 He bitches about his job to his friends.

00:16:56.000 Right.

00:16:56.000 So I'm getting your brain to start shifting into this.

00:16:59.000 I'm behaving as if I'm with a friend.

00:17:01.000 Right.

00:17:02.000 So I start getting that behavior out of a person very quickly.

00:17:05.000 So we're just activating a script in that person's mind that goes from I'm with a client to I'm with a friend.

00:17:11.000 And that's that first level deviation of behavior right there.

00:17:15.000 Okay.

00:17:16.000 And once you get the script activated...

00:17:19.000 you can start leading them in other directions.

00:17:21.000 So the second step usually, and this goes into Manchurian candidate stuff, and if you want to talk about Sirhan Sirhan and all that kind of stuff, we can. - Sure. - But to get them to start making a little bit of an identity agreement.

00:17:33.000 Are you this type of person?

00:17:35.000 So in reality, if I wanted you to, let's say, join a cult, Okay.

00:17:46.000 You know, in my life I've discovered there's two types of people.

00:17:49.000 There's people that take action when they know something's right and there's people that wait and wait and wait.

00:17:53.000 And I'm sure you know people that wait and wait and wait.

00:17:55.000 But I've got you to agree that you're type one.

00:17:57.000 Okay.

00:17:58.000 Because I said, I'm sure you know people.

00:17:59.000 And even your head nodded.

00:18:01.000 Right.

00:18:02.000 So I've got this little agreement of identity.

00:18:05.000 I am a type of person who blank.

00:18:08.000 Right.

00:18:08.000 So you're influencing a person to sort of go along with whatever narrative you've already created about them.

00:18:14.000 Right.

00:18:14.000 Yes.

00:18:15.000 Okay.

00:18:16.000 And the moment you get to identity, then you're guaranteeing that you can predict future behavior.

00:18:23.000 And this goes really deep.

00:18:24.000 We can get into hypnosis and all that stuff if you want to.

00:18:27.000 And once I get identity agreement, this is the same thing with politics.

00:18:32.000 You see the exact same thing.

00:18:34.000 Identity gets hijacked and then I can do anything I want because your identity is involved here.

00:18:39.000 It's not you're agreeing with my ideas.

00:18:41.000 You're agreeing because that's who you are.

00:18:43.000 Right, but doesn't the person have to sort of respect you first in order to go along with this sort of social change?

00:18:51.000 They have to have some sort of an appreciation of you.

00:18:54.000 You have to be impressive.

00:18:56.000 At the very beginning, yes.

00:18:57.000 But the moment your identity is involved, they can lead it further and further and further.

00:19:02.000 And then, so one of the third steps, there's a million, but there's an experiment if Jamie could pull it up.

00:19:09.000 Called the Lines Experiment with Dr. Solomon Ash.

00:19:14.000 Lion, like the animal, or L-I-N-E? Line.

00:19:17.000 Lines?

00:19:17.000 Line, L-I-N-E. So where this guy was at a table kind of like this, but you're a volunteer at an experiment.

00:19:24.000 There's like 15 people in the room.

00:19:25.000 Everybody else but you is in on the experiment.

00:19:30.000 You're the only volunteer in the room.

00:19:34.000 So they show you these lines that are three lines on one page, and they show one page that has one line on it.

00:19:40.000 So which line on this page is equal to this line over here?

00:19:44.000 Okay.

00:19:45.000 So obviously, over here on the target line, you're going to pick C. Right.

00:19:49.000 Right?

00:19:50.000 I mean, that's glaringly obvious.

00:19:53.000 So in this experiment, Dr. Ash is doing this conformity experiment.

00:19:58.000 So these other people in the room all go before you.

00:20:01.000 And everybody in the room, one at a time, says, A, A, A, A, A, A. And it gets around to the person.

00:20:10.000 And this was almost 100%.

00:20:12.000 100% of people in the experiment would say, A. And it's right in front of their face.

00:20:20.000 The truth is right in front of their face.

00:20:22.000 And they would go with the group because the group did it.

00:20:25.000 The group is telling them what to choose.

00:20:29.000 But it's not even slight.

00:20:31.000 Like, the difference is so glaringly obvious.

00:20:34.000 It's kind of amazing.

00:20:35.000 How did they pre-pick the people that were going to be the test subjects?

00:20:41.000 Like, did they have any specific things they were looking for?

00:20:44.000 Because I think there's a lot of people that even if you got 13 people to say A, they would go, what are you guys talking about?

00:20:51.000 It's C. Like, was there anything about them that they picked?

00:20:55.000 Like, were these people pre-selected for being?

00:20:58.000 No.

00:20:59.000 And they ran the experiment.

00:21:00.000 Do you ever think about yourself in that room?

00:21:02.000 What would you do?

00:21:03.000 Yeah, and I worry.

00:21:04.000 Do you?

00:21:05.000 No, I think in reality, everybody that's listening right now would say, not me.

00:21:12.000 100% of people would say, I wouldn't do that.

00:21:15.000 Well, I think it kind of depends on your station in life.

00:21:17.000 Yeah.

00:21:18.000 You know, where you're at.

00:21:20.000 When I was young, I might have just said...

00:21:22.000 A, because everybody was saying A. Yeah.

00:21:24.000 You know, because I didn't want to be an idiot.

00:21:26.000 So that's one of the things they did.

00:21:27.000 They replicated the experiment on college campuses.

00:21:31.000 Whereas people are highly suggestible.

00:21:33.000 They're young.

00:21:34.000 They're still trying to figure out who they are.

00:21:35.000 And so a lot more suggestible.

00:21:37.000 And this is, if you think of the way that social media manipulates our brain, it falsifies tribal agreement.

00:21:45.000 And it makes us say A. Right.

00:21:48.000 So we're willing to ignore everything that we see because we're seeing a tribe say that something else is happening.

00:21:55.000 Okay.

00:21:56.000 So it'll override our brain.

00:21:58.000 And if there's one thing, like if you just, one thing that matters a lot is that our brains are not capable of overcoming this technology.

00:22:09.000 We don't have a firewall.

00:22:10.000 And technology has outpaced our brain's ability to adapt to it.

00:22:14.000 So I can falsify a tribe.

00:22:17.000 Around you that says, oh, this is all happening right now.

00:22:20.000 And Dr. Phil, you and I both are friends with Dr. Phil, calls this the tyranny of the fringe, where this fringe pretends to be a group of a million people when it's just a small group that gets over a lot of attention.

00:22:35.000 It's really inflated, so it looks like it's more popular than it actually is.

00:22:39.000 And if your identity is already there, then that automatically makes sense, and we'll ignore just basic facts.

00:22:46.000 And it's not about the right or the left.

00:22:49.000 It's both of those sides have been doing this stuff for a long time.

00:22:52.000 But if I can get you to think that most of your tribal members agree to X, then most people, like 90 percent of people, will say, OK, X is true.

00:23:03.000 Well, especially with social media, right?

00:23:06.000 Because obviously it'd be about something about something that's a little bit more complex than the size of a line.

00:23:11.000 But you're so easily manipulated because it's not.

00:23:15.000 Really just people that are responding.

00:23:18.000 It's a lot of bots.

00:23:19.000 Yeah.

00:23:19.000 And you're seeing that more and more lately.

00:23:23.000 I was watching this video today and somebody pointed out after the video, look how many bots have retweeted this video.

00:23:31.000 And it was astounding.

00:23:32.000 So it's like, oh, there's a narrative that someone's trying to push because of this selectively edited video.

00:23:39.000 Yeah.

00:23:39.000 Like, wow.

00:23:40.000 Well, you're a dragon believer.

00:23:41.000 I saw that.

00:23:42.000 I love that so much, man.

00:23:46.000 That's just the few ladies.

00:23:47.000 They're crazy.

00:23:48.000 They're the gift that keeps giving.

00:23:51.000 Poor, but Lady Joy, or not Joy, Joy Behar.

00:23:55.000 Yeah, it said you believe in dragons.

00:23:57.000 Yeah, it's hilarious.

00:23:58.000 And the next day, I think I checked your Twitter, and it just said, Joe Rogan, dragon belief.

00:24:03.000 Yeah, I said I have to change it now.

00:24:04.000 It's perfect.

00:24:05.000 It's so beautiful.

00:24:06.000 For someone like me, that's a gift.

00:24:09.000 And what you were doing is not just, I mean, it was funny.

00:24:12.000 It was really funny.

00:24:14.000 But it helped to shine a light on the absurdity.

00:24:18.000 The absurdity that...

00:24:21.000 Some of these people will go to to just give people misinformation, like the most obvious misinformation.

00:24:27.000 Well, not only that, but it was after she was talking about The View being a great source of information because they're a part of ABC News.

00:24:36.000 So they check things, unlike me, who believes in dragons.

00:24:42.000 It was so perfect.

00:24:45.000 Fucking, did you even watch the video?

00:24:48.000 And then she said she double-checked it.

00:24:49.000 Did you double-check that?

00:24:50.000 Like, oh, yeah, I did!

00:24:52.000 I've checked it.

00:24:54.000 That was wonderful.

00:24:56.000 Oh, it made my day.

00:24:57.000 I was happy all day that day.

00:24:58.000 I was like, what a great day.

00:24:59.000 It made my day to see you change your Twitter.

00:25:01.000 Well, it's funny when people are so...

00:25:03.000 Their approach is so simplistic.

00:25:06.000 It's so obvious to anyone else that it becomes fun.

00:25:12.000 It doesn't work at all.

00:25:14.000 Not only does it not slander you, not only does it not disparage people's opinions of you, it creates fun.

00:25:20.000 Comedy.

00:25:21.000 Yeah.

00:25:21.000 It creates comedy.

00:25:22.000 It's so ridiculous.

00:25:24.000 But this is the problem.

00:25:26.000 Not just with bots and social media influence, but also with echo chambers, right?

00:25:31.000 Echo chambers that people create, where they get a bunch of people that only agree with them, and everybody disagrees with them.

00:25:37.000 Instead of looking at them, and you see that on that show all the time, instead of looking at someone else's perspective and going, okay, so tell me how you came to this conclusion.

00:25:46.000 Like, why do you think this?

00:25:47.000 And, like, letting them fully express it.

00:25:50.000 Instead, it's like...

00:25:52.000 Everything is interrupt-y.

00:25:54.000 Everything is shout-y.

00:25:55.000 I disagree with everything you have said.

00:25:57.000 The audience claps and they're gonna stand up for this or for that.

00:26:02.000 Instead of having an actual conversation about opinions and ideas and how you formulate them and how your mind works and how you think about things and why you think about things, instead of that, it's just ideological battles every day.

00:26:16.000 Exactly.

00:26:16.000 And it's identity instead of ideas.

00:26:19.000 Yes.

00:26:19.000 Is what it is.

00:26:21.000 Yeah, it's tribal.

00:26:21.000 It's super.

00:26:22.000 It's well, it's a bunch of people that are afraid to be alone and are afraid to be on the outside.

00:26:28.000 And so whatever the group agrees to, they find some sort of mental gymnastics they can apply to these ideas that make them make them relevant.

00:26:38.000 And it will reverse rationalize a lot of those decisions.

00:26:42.000 So they're emotionally made and logically rationalized in our head.

00:26:46.000 But we think that it's a logical decision.

00:26:48.000 And it's so easy to weaponize a human being.

00:26:53.000 From a Manchurian candidate to just to getting someone to like something on Twitter because it makes them feel morally or intellectually superior because they shared it.

00:27:00.000 It also makes them feel like they're a part of a team, which people love.

00:27:04.000 I mean, we are tribal animals.

00:27:05.000 We do not like to be a lone outcast.

00:27:07.000 We like to be a part of a team, which is why you see audience capture is a big thing that happens to people online.

00:27:14.000 They find people that agree with them and then they sort of lean into it.

00:27:17.000 Big time.

00:27:18.000 Yeah.

00:27:18.000 They lean.

00:27:19.000 Maybe a little too hard.

00:27:20.000 Yeah, a lot of people do.

00:27:21.000 A lot of people, they kind of lose who they are.

00:27:24.000 And people love to accuse everybody of that.

00:27:26.000 It's interesting because everyone's kind of aware of it now that it's a thing, which is good.

00:27:30.000 You know, it keeps people on their toes.

00:27:32.000 But bringing it back to the cults, so they would try to get you to do something and deviate from your normal patterns.

00:27:41.000 Yeah.

00:27:42.000 Most cults are like sex cults, right?

00:27:45.000 Like pretty much all of them, right?

00:27:46.000 They're just started by really...

00:27:48.000 Sex-obsessed dudes.

00:27:51.000 Like, you know what?

00:27:52.000 I need a bunch of 20-year-olds in here.

00:27:54.000 There's a few cults that have been started by ladies, right?

00:27:57.000 Very few.

00:27:58.000 Yeah, a few.

00:27:59.000 And then there was that Wild Wild Country one, Osho's one, where the lady ran it.

00:28:04.000 And he was kind of like sort of just this very odd eccentric guru, and she was an assassin.

00:28:10.000 I didn't know this.

00:28:11.000 Oh, you didn't watch that?

00:28:12.000 No.

00:28:12.000 Netflix documentary?

00:28:13.000 No.

00:28:13.000 Oh, it's fantastic.

00:28:14.000 It's so good.

00:28:15.000 Because like all cult documentaries, it starts out like, oh, these people have it nailed.

00:28:20.000 It starts out so good.

00:28:22.000 They're cooking together and laughing and dancing and doing yoga and having a good old time and chanting.

00:28:28.000 And it seems like they're having a wonderful time.

00:28:30.000 But eventually they take over this town in, was it Oregon?

00:28:35.000 It was Oregon, right?

00:28:36.000 I think so.

00:28:38.000 Somewhere in the Pacific Northwest, I believe it was Oregon.

00:28:40.000 So they take over a town and they actually bus in homeless people so that they can pump up their numbers and vote to take over the town.

00:28:50.000 Essentially what...

00:28:51.000 Some people were accusing the Biden administration of doing with leaving the borders open for illegals and then allowing them to vote.

00:28:58.000 Same sort of deal.

00:28:59.000 So they took over this town and they poisoned a bunch of people.

00:29:03.000 It's like really crazy.

00:29:04.000 It's a crazy documentary.

00:29:07.000 And then eventually it falls apart.

00:29:09.000 Isn't that most cults?

00:29:10.000 Like you look at it from the outside, you're like, wow, they're barefoot, walking on grass.

00:29:14.000 They're eating natural stuff, organic stuff.

00:29:16.000 Having a good time.

00:29:17.000 They sing together.

00:29:18.000 They're having this good time.

00:29:18.000 And then they take you into the room.

00:29:20.000 Yeah.

00:29:21.000 And they say, you know what, Joe?

00:29:22.000 You've reached the level.

00:29:23.000 Aliens live in your butthole.

00:29:25.000 We've got to get them out.

00:29:26.000 Yeah.

00:29:27.000 Yeah.

00:29:27.000 Something along those lines.

00:29:28.000 Something crazy.

00:29:29.000 A lot of them are sex cults.

00:29:31.000 If they're not sex cults, they're like money cults or power cults or ideological cults, which I think progressivism is.

00:29:38.000 I think it's an ideological cult.

00:29:40.000 And I think that people, they enjoy being around people that are very confident that they're correct.

00:29:48.000 When someone, like most of us, like, what is life all about?

00:29:52.000 So many questions.

00:29:53.000 And if you come across someone who has all the answers and they're so confident about it, it's very attractive.

00:29:58.000 Yeah.

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00:31:08.000 And I think for people that are asking questions, which may be the type of people that are joining these cults.

00:31:14.000 They're questioning things in their life.

00:31:16.000 Our brains are naturally attracted to certainty and authority.

00:31:20.000 And we can talk about, man, authority is what we really probably should talk about.

00:31:24.000 But we're attracted to that.

00:31:27.000 And our brains, the mammalian part of our brain, will simply follow somebody that is easily followed.

00:31:33.000 Like, what is the clearest signal?

00:31:36.000 It's not the smartest person in the room, not the best idea.

00:31:38.000 What's the clearest signal that's pointing in a direction that I can follow?

00:31:43.000 And our brains will just default to once we trust that authority figure, we're automatically going to assign good traits to them.

00:31:50.000 We're going to think that they're a good person.

00:31:52.000 We're a good person because we're aligning with this person just because they were followable.

00:31:57.000 Okay.

00:31:57.000 So it's a clear message.

00:31:59.000 And so these guys who were recruiting people for cults, were they open with you about this stuff or did you kind of like figure it out by talking to them?

00:32:08.000 I signed a ridiculous non-disclosure agreement with each one of them individually.

00:32:14.000 The cults have NDAs?

00:32:16.000 No, no, no.

00:32:17.000 The main organization did not know I was there.

00:32:20.000 Oh, I see.

00:32:21.000 And it was mostly they would go around the mall.

00:32:23.000 They spend time around these shopping mall areas and talk to people.

00:32:27.000 And it was all kind of very basic at the beginning.

00:32:31.000 So cult indoctrination is a longer process.

00:32:33.000 It's not like, hey, let me talk to you for five minutes and you're like, yeah, I'll join your cults and we'll worship aliens and stuff together.

00:32:40.000 It's a long process.

00:32:42.000 We're like, the deviation escalation continues to increase over time.

00:32:46.000 And it's the exact same way if you're programming some Manchurian candidate or if you're a hypnotist and you're seeing a client, you want to get them to deviate from their normal behaviors, right?

00:32:56.000 To fix their behavior.

00:32:57.000 So it's not all bad.

00:32:59.000 So we can use a lot of those same techniques to help somebody instead of hurt them.

00:33:04.000 That's what I started discovering over the years.

00:33:06.000 And I've studied how to access every loophole in the human brain.

00:33:11.000 And the fastest way to do that is through novelty and authority.

00:33:15.000 Number one.

00:33:17.000 And there is nothing faster in the human brain that will give you that kind of access.

00:33:23.000 Novelty and authority.

00:33:25.000 Like, give me some examples of that.

00:33:26.000 So let's say you and I are living 10,000 years ago, 15,000 years ago.

00:33:31.000 The average tribe of people was like 150, 120. And let's say your job and my job was to go and collect fish in a bag and fish and then kind of bring it back to the tribe at the end of the day.

00:33:44.000 And every day we went to the same spot.

00:33:46.000 It's a great spot.

00:33:47.000 We walked by this bush, this big-ass bush.

00:33:49.000 And one day we're going back and talking about the fish we got, and you hear a stick snap behind that bush that we haven't heard before.

00:33:57.000 So it's an unexpected deviation from your mental script of what's going to happen.

00:34:02.000 Does this make sense so far?

00:34:04.000 So we're walking by the bush.

00:34:06.000 The stick snaps.

00:34:07.000 Now what's generated in that moment is a tremendous amount of focus.

00:34:11.000 Like there could be a threat.

00:34:12.000 It could be a rabbit that we can eat.

00:34:14.000 Right?

00:34:15.000 So a threat or a value is how our brain responds to something new and something unexpected.

00:34:20.000 Is it a threat?

00:34:21.000 Is it valuable?

00:34:22.000 Socially or otherwise, valuable.

00:34:25.000 So the stick breaks.

00:34:26.000 We're not thinking about our kids.

00:34:28.000 We're not thinking about how many fish are in the bag.

00:34:30.000 We're only thinking about this novel new thing that interrupted my brain's script of what I thought was going to happen.

00:34:36.000 Okay.

00:34:37.000 You with me so far?

00:34:37.000 Yeah.

00:34:38.000 So in our life, when we see something that's unexpected, something that we...

00:34:45.000 I guess we're not expecting.

00:34:47.000 So we're driving a car, blue lights in your rearview mirror is tremendous amount of novelty, threat value, right?

00:34:54.000 So our brain says, this is how I tie my shoes.

00:34:58.000 This is how I go to work.

00:34:59.000 This is how I run the cash register at Starbucks, whatever it is.

00:35:01.000 We develop these apps in our head.

00:35:03.000 And when something interrupts one of those programs, our brain automatically says, this is different.

00:35:10.000 This is not expected.

00:35:12.000 I need all of my focus down on this one thing.

00:35:14.000 Okay.

00:35:15.000 And that's how novelty starts to trigger our brain.

00:35:17.000 Make sense so far?

00:35:18.000 Yes.

00:35:19.000 And authority is the second piece.

00:35:21.000 So what would be an example that someone would use as like novelty to get, like novelty and authority, if you want to get someone to follow you, like what would be novelty that you would apply?

00:35:31.000 Give me any scenario and I'll tell you.

00:35:34.000 Okay, you're trying to get someone to join a cult.

00:35:35.000 Yeah.

00:35:36.000 So the novelty right away is I'm going to approach you and say something or ask you a question that you've never been asked before and that there's no possible way that your brain could have gotten ready for that scenario.

00:35:45.000 And it could be something ridiculously stupid.

00:35:48.000 They'd be like, hey, did you see these guys fighting outside here last week?

00:35:52.000 Or you're walking up and you say, hey, I'm going to ask you three questions, but you only have 12 seconds to answer.

00:35:57.000 No one's ever said something like that.

00:35:59.000 Okay, so you're just getting them out of their comfort zone.

00:36:01.000 You're getting them into, like, whoa, what's going on?

00:36:03.000 Yeah, we're breaking a pattern.

00:36:04.000 Okay.

00:36:05.000 So we're all running on patterns all the time.

00:36:07.000 The moment a pattern is broken, we have tremendous focus.

00:36:11.000 So focus is the first step to hacking the mammalian brain.

00:36:14.000 Authority is next.

00:36:16.000 And authority...

00:36:18.000 Is, like, if you look at the Milgram experiment, have you heard of this?

00:36:21.000 Mm-hmm.

00:36:21.000 Oh, my God.

00:36:22.000 Have you gone deep on it?

00:36:25.000 Not really.

00:36:25.000 I mean, but explain it to people so they know what you're talking about.

00:36:28.000 Jamie, can we bring up a picture of the box, the shocking box from this experiment?

00:36:33.000 Essentially, they told people that they had to keep shocking people, and then they did it to the point where they thought the person on the other side was actually dead, and they kept shocking.

00:36:42.000 Yeah.

00:36:43.000 What year was this?

00:36:45.000 62. 1962 at Yale University.

00:36:49.000 This is a variation of the experiment, but just go to the third one right there.

00:36:55.000 So that's Stanley Milgram standing over that machine right there.

00:36:58.000 So you'll notice on the bottom right it says danger, severe shock right there.

00:37:04.000 So you're essentially told the guy's on the other side of a drywall wall.

00:37:08.000 He's in another room, but you can hear him yelling every time you shock.

00:37:11.000 And every time you're asking him these questions and he gets the answer wrong, he's acting like a dumbass.

00:37:16.000 He's obviously in on the experiment.

00:37:18.000 But these people think they're shocking this guy.

00:37:20.000 And in real life, man, I had that in airplane mode.

00:37:28.000 In real life, this guy is just, he's running a script.

00:37:31.000 He's a participant in the experiment.

00:37:34.000 He's in on it.

00:37:35.000 But as the person is getting shocked, you hear him scream.

00:37:38.000 You hear him say, I want to get out of here.

00:37:40.000 I don't want to do this anymore.

00:37:41.000 I have a heart condition.

00:37:42.000 He's banging around.

00:37:44.000 And then at around 300 volts, and it goes up to 450 on this machine, 300 volts, no more sound.

00:37:50.000 He stops answering questions.

00:37:52.000 And these people are sitting there at the machine kind of turning around to this guy in the lab coat that's running this experiment.

00:37:57.000 And the guy in the lab coat is saying, well, it's important that you continue.

00:38:01.000 The experiment requires that you continue.

00:38:04.000 They keep going.

00:38:05.000 They keep delivering electric shocks to this guy that was screaming before and is now silent.

00:38:11.000 He's not even answering these questions on the test anymore.

00:38:14.000 Did everybody do it?

00:38:16.000 So before the experiment started, these bunch of psychologists got together and they said, all right, who's going to go all the way through?

00:38:21.000 Who's going to do everything?

00:38:23.000 And they thought 0.4%, something like that.

00:38:28.000 It would have to be a psychopath.

00:38:29.000 It would have to be somebody that was malicious or wanted to hurt people.

00:38:34.000 And after the experiment was conducted, 67% of people went all the way.

00:38:41.000 And this is...

00:38:42.000 So what we're really dealing with here is not an experiment.

00:38:46.000 It's a person being talked into murder in less than an hour.

00:38:51.000 A regular, normal human being talked into murder.

00:38:55.000 67% of them.

00:38:57.000 67%.

00:38:57.000 And 250 volts is enough to kill you.

00:39:00.000 Would you agree?

00:39:01.000 If you have the right amps.

00:39:02.000 I don't know, but I believe you.

00:39:05.000 Yeah.

00:39:05.000 100% went to 250. Jeez.

00:39:10.000 100%.

00:39:10.000 So that could kill you.

00:39:14.000 100% at least attempted murder.

00:39:16.000 Yeah.

00:39:16.000 And I train sales teams all the time.

00:39:18.000 They're like, oh, it's hard to sell this product or this thing.

00:39:23.000 I'm like, I show them this thing.

00:39:25.000 And like, where's the sales script these guys use at Yale University?

00:39:28.000 There wasn't a script.

00:39:30.000 It's not like, oh, let me get the perfect words on the phone for this telemarketing company.

00:39:34.000 There's no script.

00:39:35.000 There's no hypnosis.

00:39:36.000 There's no like NLP stuff going on where I have to say these little magic words.

00:39:42.000 And I kind of view that.

00:39:44.000 Aspect of persuasion, like the guys that are obsessed with sales scripts.

00:39:48.000 It's like Harry Potter.

00:39:49.000 Like, there's no magic words that are going to make someone take action.

00:39:52.000 We take action based on the mammalian brain.

00:39:55.000 And what was present there at Yale University, if you're the volunteer there, you respond to an ad in the paper you've never responded to before.

00:40:02.000 Novelty.

00:40:02.000 At a university you've never been to.

00:40:04.000 At a building you've never been in.

00:40:06.000 With two people you've never met.

00:40:07.000 In a room you've never been in.

00:40:09.000 Sitting in front of a machine that's absolutely foreign to you.

00:40:12.000 It's alien.

00:40:13.000 Every single step of the way was novelty.

00:40:16.000 And then the guy in the lab coat, they made him like, I think he was 6'7".

00:40:21.000 And he's running the experiment.

00:40:23.000 And we have this stuff called white coat syndrome where we respond to doctors.

00:40:28.000 And there's even research where people were given diagnoses for things they didn't have.

00:40:34.000 And they developed the symptoms because a doctor has told them this.

00:40:39.000 And that's how powerful novelty plus authority is.

00:40:44.000 There are people who talk into murder in under an hour.

00:40:47.000 And there's no magic recipe to do it.

00:40:49.000 It's authority and novelty.

00:40:51.000 And authority has five components if you want to just go into them.

00:40:54.000 So that's confidence.

00:40:57.000 Obviously, somebody's got to be really confident to be an authority figure.

00:41:00.000 And this is just a conviction in my belief and a generalized belief in my head that everything's going to be fine.

00:41:06.000 Everything's going to be okay.

00:41:07.000 Discipline is number two.

00:41:11.000 Discipline, I don't say discipline is part of authority because like if everybody, like when you were younger, you ever like go to a party and like put a really nice suit on and all that stuff and like you're, you had a seven foot pile of laundry back at home, like shit all over your bathroom counter.

00:41:25.000 Like you were not put together.

00:41:26.000 I was there.

00:41:27.000 But like there's a part of our brain that reminds us that we don't have everything together.

00:41:32.000 So when we go out, we're not, other people aren't saying, oh, this guy's not disciplined.

00:41:36.000 No one's saying that.

00:41:37.000 But they are getting a gut feeling that something's off.

00:41:40.000 Because there's something disharmonic.

00:41:43.000 There's something incongruent about our behavior because we know there's a part of our brain that says, you know, I'm faking this right now.

00:41:48.000 I'm not this put together.

00:41:51.000 So having discipline off camera when nobody's looking makes gut feelings in people.

00:41:57.000 It was one of those things where we have this ancient brain that's judging whether or not everything's congruent.

00:42:02.000 So confidence, discipline, leadership.

00:42:05.000 And leadership just means if I brought you back 1,000 years, could you still – would people still follow you?

00:42:13.000 Like your behavior is confident and certain enough and all of that that people would follow you, not language and all that.

00:42:18.000 Do you say the right things and do you give people compliments?

00:42:21.000 That's not – what I mean is tribal leadership from the mammalian perspective, not human.

00:42:26.000 So confidence, discipline, leadership, gratitude, and enjoyment are the final two.

00:42:32.000 Gratitude, just not saying like I'm Keeping this gratitude journal every day or anything like that.

00:42:37.000 Just I'm a grateful person.

00:42:39.000 And I have perspective and gratitude.

00:42:41.000 So I'm able to zoom out and think of like the larger picture when I'm thinking of gratitude.

00:42:46.000 Not just like, oh, I'm thankful for my health today.

00:42:49.000 But I'm thankful like we didn't have a nuclear war yesterday.

00:42:51.000 We didn't have all this stuff happen.

00:42:54.000 And the reason these things are effective is because they produce.

00:42:59.000 Having them when nobody's looking produces the precise gut feelings in another person that make them say, that's an authority figure.

00:43:08.000 So when you have authority, you can get away with anything you want.

00:43:13.000 And I go to these companies.

00:43:14.000 I train companies and people all over in how to increase sales and all that.

00:43:18.000 And they're all like, well, we have a good script.

00:43:20.000 We've got this piece of paper right here that's really great.

00:43:22.000 We spent $10 million developing the sales script.

00:43:25.000 I'm like, give the script.

00:43:27.000 To somebody out here with social anxiety and have them get on the phone.

00:43:32.000 They're going to bomb.

00:43:34.000 They'd be the worst freaking salesman out there.

00:43:37.000 Because the script is meaningless.

00:43:39.000 But everybody puts so much value in these words.

00:43:42.000 It's who you are first, then what you say.

00:43:46.000 And people just ignore the first part.

00:43:48.000 I mean, if you think of, if I go off on a small rant here, I could tell a question bubble in your head.

00:43:56.000 No, go ahead.

00:43:58.000 There's too many times people obsess over symptoms instead of causes.

00:44:03.000 So you go on LinkedIn or whatever and it says how to be confident.

00:44:07.000 Here are the 15 ways to be confident.

00:44:09.000 Here's the 12 things that confident people do.

00:44:11.000 They have great posture.

00:44:12.000 They make good eye contact.

00:44:13.000 It's a firm handshake.

00:44:14.000 They use your name.

00:44:15.000 They pat you on the shoulder.

00:44:16.000 All this kind of shit.

00:44:17.000 Those are symptoms of being confident.

00:44:20.000 It's not confidence.

00:44:23.000 Our culture today is obsessed with symptoms of things.

00:44:26.000 Let me get symptoms of wealth.

00:44:27.000 I'm going to get this Porsche.

00:44:28.000 I'm going to get this yacht.

00:44:29.000 I'm going to get this plane.

00:44:30.000 Post it all over Instagram and show people that I have these symptoms.

00:44:34.000 So what we're really looking at is like when I'm trying to – somebody is trying to learn sales.

00:44:40.000 Let me teach you the symptoms of what a good salesperson has instead of the cause of what makes them a good salesperson.

00:44:45.000 That makes sense.

00:44:47.000 So, in order for someone to truly be confident, they have to take all those steps to make...

00:44:54.000 Do you want some coffee?

00:44:55.000 No.

00:44:56.000 Actually, yeah.

00:44:56.000 Okay.

00:44:57.000 You want it in the crazy cup or a regular one?

00:44:59.000 I'll take the crazy cup.

00:44:59.000 Crazy cup's a little hard to drink out of.

00:45:01.000 Is it?

00:45:01.000 Yeah.

00:45:01.000 I'll switch.

00:45:02.000 I don't want to dirty that one up.

00:45:03.000 No, don't worry about it.

00:45:05.000 So, they have to have all those ducks in a row if they don't...

00:45:11.000 People are going to sense it.

00:45:13.000 They're going to know, even if they exhibit all the behavior characteristics of someone who's confident, there's going to be something off.

00:45:19.000 Because we have some way, some ancient way of detecting bullshit in ourselves.

00:45:28.000 Yeah, we get those gut feelings.

00:45:30.000 Yeah, we know when something's off.

00:45:31.000 Someone's a little full of it.

00:45:33.000 Someone's faking it.

00:45:34.000 We've all had that experience.

00:45:36.000 Everything looked right on the surface.

00:45:38.000 Anybody who was watching it from a distance was like, wow, that guy's really confident.

00:45:41.000 But in your gut, you're like, something's off.

00:45:45.000 Particularly if you have all those bases covered.

00:45:49.000 If you have all those bases covered, I think it makes it far easier to see in other people when they don't.

00:45:56.000 Because, I mean, if you have confidence, that means I'm living in front of my eyes.

00:46:00.000 Right.

00:46:00.000 I'm not just stuck back here the whole time.

00:46:02.000 So if you're going to teach people how to be confident, essentially, you have to teach them how to get their shit together.

00:46:09.000 Yeah.

00:46:10.000 Unequivocally.

00:46:11.000 Yeah.

00:46:11.000 Like, undoubtedly, you know, undebatably.

00:46:15.000 Like, you have to have your shit together, clearly.

00:46:18.000 Yes.

00:46:19.000 Absolutely.

00:46:19.000 Otherwise, you're not going to really be confident.

00:46:21.000 It's always the back of your head.

00:46:23.000 It's always going to be fucking with you.

00:46:24.000 Yeah.

00:46:24.000 And there's five areas of your life that I've identified.

00:46:27.000 This is not some self-help program or anything, but there's five areas of your life that create gut feelings in other people, and that's your environment, how you handle all these things, your environment, your time, your appearance, your social skills, and your financial life.

00:46:41.000 It's like if I've got unpaid bills, I've got creditors knocking on my door all the time, and then I go out and try to look like I've got my shit together, I'm going to send those signals that something's not right.

00:46:50.000 To people that are aware.

00:46:52.000 Not to people that are willing to join cults.

00:46:54.000 Right.

00:46:56.000 Correct.

00:46:57.000 That's the problem is that there's not really an operating manual for life or for the human mind.

00:47:03.000 And we're dealing with these very...

00:47:06.000 Complicated systems.

00:47:09.000 Complicated systems of work and social life and hobbies and all the different things that people do.

00:47:15.000 It's very complicated.

00:47:16.000 And a lot of people are just kind of like stumbling through it, learning along the way, hopefully every time they fuck up.

00:47:24.000 Yeah.

00:47:25.000 Yeah.

00:47:26.000 And a lot of that is, even with these cult recruiters, these people have an unconscious knack to spot suggestible people.

00:47:36.000 So your level of suggestibility is how much will you think a person is an authority figure even if they're faking confidence?

00:47:42.000 That's basically what that is.

00:47:43.000 Will you accept a suggestion and act on it?

00:47:46.000 And we've got guys like Sirhan Sirhan who killed RFK in San Francisco.

00:47:53.000 This is 60s.

00:47:54.000 I think it's Los Angeles.

00:47:56.000 I think it was San Francisco.

00:47:58.000 I think it's Los Angeles because I was at the actual hotel where they did it.

00:48:02.000 They actually filmed Fear Factor there.

00:48:04.000 See, that's true.

00:48:05.000 I don't doubt you at all.

00:48:07.000 I'm pretty sure.

00:48:07.000 Pretty sure it was Los Angeles.

00:48:09.000 And there's also some debate as to whether or not he did it.

00:48:11.000 Oh, I did a whole video on this on my channel.

00:48:14.000 Yeah.

00:48:15.000 I don't know enough about it.

00:48:17.000 But I know that there's some people that, you know, obviously there's some people that think that, like, JFK's driver shot him.

00:48:22.000 There's some, like, kooky conspiracies.

00:48:26.000 Yeah, Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles shortly after Kennedy had finished.

00:48:29.000 Yeah.

00:48:30.000 That hotel, we filmed Fear Factor there once.

00:48:32.000 That's the only reason why I know.

00:48:34.000 And we were in the kitchen.

00:48:36.000 It happened in the kitchen.

00:48:37.000 Yeah, we were in the spot.

00:48:39.000 This is crazy that we could film this stupid fucking show in a place where a presidential candidate got murdered.

00:48:45.000 Yeah.

00:48:45.000 Was that the reason they filmed there?

00:48:48.000 I think a lot of stuff filmed in that hotel.

00:48:51.000 I think the hotel had been defunct.

00:48:53.000 And a lot of...

00:48:56.000 There's like abandoned buildings and things in Los Angeles that they use for filming stuff.

00:49:01.000 Okay.

00:49:02.000 Because it's a big filming industry.

00:49:03.000 They film films and TV shows and stuff there.

00:49:06.000 It's like a cool environment.

00:49:07.000 And it was like spooky, run-down, old hotel.

00:49:10.000 I don't even remember the show, the episode.

00:49:13.000 But I just remember us being in that room going...

00:49:16.000 Weird feeling.

00:49:18.000 Yeah.

00:49:18.000 So the Sirhan Sirhan thing is like that...

00:49:21.000 People believe that's part of MKUltra, that he was some sort of mind-controlled person.

00:49:26.000 I do.

00:49:27.000 Yeah?

00:49:28.000 I mean, I may be the number one guy in the country on the mind-control stuff.

00:49:32.000 I think I probably am.

00:49:34.000 And I definitely believe that was influenced by a guy named Dr. Joy Lynn West.

00:49:41.000 Jolly West.

00:49:41.000 Yeah.

00:49:44.000 And it's not about skill.

00:49:47.000 If you're doing something like this, it's not much about skill level.

00:49:51.000 It's can you find a good target that's highly suggestible.

00:49:55.000 You have some basic skills in this.

00:49:57.000 I give you like three or four days worth of training in how to do covert hypnosis and all of this other stuff and how to create amnesia in a person where you can just tell them to forget something and they'll willingly forget it.

00:50:14.000 I could train you in three days how to do something like that.

00:50:17.000 It's terrifying how our brains do not have a firewall.

00:50:21.000 And the moment that our conscious filter, that filters like, is this information good for me?

00:50:26.000 Should I accept this information?

00:50:28.000 If I can bypass that filter, which is very easy to do, you can kind of just jam in whatever you want into somebody's head.

00:50:35.000 And so what evidence do we have that Sirhan Sirhan was working with Jolly West?

00:50:40.000 There's not a lot.

00:50:42.000 It's a lot of anecdotal stuff.

00:50:44.000 But he met with this guy regularly.

00:50:46.000 And I'm not an expert on the case.

00:50:47.000 I wouldn't consider myself an expert.

00:50:50.000 But he met with this guy at the shooting range on a regular basis.

00:50:54.000 And this guy would talk to him privately, whisper in his ear in the shooting range.

00:50:59.000 We all know this is from testimony.

00:51:02.000 And later, when he was arrested after the shooting happened, he said, I thought I was at the shooting range.

00:51:08.000 I thought I was shooting at a paper target.

00:51:11.000 And he's on record saying this.

00:51:14.000 And he has no memory of that actual event happening.

00:51:17.000 To this day, he went up for parole, I think a year or two ago.

00:51:21.000 And man, all they did was ask him to kind of admit what you did and just say what you did.

00:51:26.000 And he said, I still have no memory of this event.

00:51:28.000 And he had to stay in prison.

00:51:30.000 And RFK believes it too.

00:51:33.000 Wow.

00:51:34.000 And you've had RFK on.

00:51:36.000 Uh-huh.

00:51:37.000 So...

00:51:38.000 Sirhan Sirhan is meeting with this guy.

00:51:40.000 Who is this guy?

00:51:42.000 Nobody really knows.

00:51:44.000 Nobody fully knows.

00:51:45.000 But the guy was involved and connected to Joylon.

00:51:49.000 And they called him Radio Man.

00:51:52.000 That's the only name that people have used to identify this guy.

00:51:56.000 And he met Sirhan at a range and expressed, like, we're both interested in shortwave radio stuff and all that kind of ham radio.

00:52:04.000 And they connected over that initially.

00:52:07.000 And then this guy somehow looped him into the situation he was in.

00:52:11.000 So the MKUltra stuff, a lot of it was experimental, right?

00:52:18.000 They didn't necessarily have...

00:52:21.000 Proof that a lot of what they were trying to do was effective.

00:52:25.000 They knew that they could experiment with LSD on people.

00:52:29.000 That was Operation Midnight Climax when they took over the brothels, which is so wild.

00:52:33.000 For people that don't know what this is, they took over brothels and they essentially had the prostitutes serve these Johns LSD without their knowledge and then they observed them through two-way mirrors and filmed them.

00:52:46.000 Yeah.

00:52:47.000 It felt how they would act.

00:52:48.000 Yeah.

00:52:49.000 So the CIA was running whorehouses.

00:52:51.000 I don't even know if they had sex because they probably dosed these guys up with so much acid.

00:52:55.000 They probably didn't want to.

00:52:57.000 But they observed them and they did it for years.

00:53:00.000 They also ran the Haight-Ashbury Free Clinic, which is wild.

00:53:05.000 And until like...

00:53:08.000 I think fairly recently.

00:53:10.000 And there was a lot of hubbub about it after Tom O'Neill's book Chaos came out.

00:53:14.000 And I think it was right after that they closed the Haight-Ashbury Free Clinic.

00:53:17.000 But the CIA was essentially a part of the Haight-Ashbury Free Clinic in the 1960s.

00:53:25.000 And that's where the Manson family came out of.

00:53:29.000 Yeah.

00:53:29.000 And there's a lot of people – I'm not a researcher on this topic.

00:53:33.000 I'm a researcher on the techniques.

00:53:34.000 Yeah.

00:53:35.000 But there's guys like – Sidney Gottlieb was crazy.

00:53:40.000 He was running the CIA. It was called OSS back then, Office of Special Services.

00:53:46.000 And it was crazy.

00:53:48.000 They called him a cowboy, but they brought in all this LSD. In Canada, they were running, I think it was in Montreal.

00:53:57.000 No, it was in Toronto.

00:54:00.000 Montauk Institute, is that right?

00:54:03.000 They were doing things called psychic driving.

00:54:06.000 They would keep people awake and it was like clockwork orange.

00:54:10.000 And they would hold their eyes open and just play these videos to kind of like entrain them and really just drive their brains.

00:54:19.000 And these were people that checked into the hospital with like postpartum depression.

00:54:24.000 And they started doing this shit on them.

00:54:25.000 They just started experimenting on them.

00:54:27.000 Yeah.

00:54:27.000 I mean the Canadian government admitted it so much that they paid these people for damages.

00:54:34.000 Just one woman's case that I can remember.

00:54:36.000 I don't remember her name, but she went in for postpartum, I think.

00:54:39.000 And she did the psychic driving.

00:54:41.000 When she came out, she had no real memories anymore.

00:54:44.000 She wet herself.

00:54:45.000 She had to relearn how to walk and communicate socially.

00:54:49.000 She had to relearn how to hold her pee in.

00:54:52.000 How long was she there for?

00:54:53.000 I think it was like a month and a half.

00:54:56.000 Unbelievable.

00:55:00.000 I think back then they were trying to find a bunch of different methods of mind control, right?

00:55:06.000 Like there's a very famous video from the 1950s of soldiers in the UK where they dose them up with acid and you see them wandering around the woods laughing and giggling and falling down.

00:55:16.000 And we had just got those videos from the Korean War where the...

00:55:21.000 Korean prisoners were making these videos like, I realize now that America is a horrible country.

00:55:25.000 I renounce everything.

00:55:27.000 I hate America.

00:55:29.000 These are all the bad things they've done.

00:55:31.000 And the guys in the United States are watching this shit going, holy shit.

00:55:34.000 They've got some secret technology and we're behind.

00:55:37.000 So it was like a psychological arms race.

00:55:41.000 They just went berserk.

00:55:44.000 So they figured that there's some kind of secret chemical or secret technique or recipe that these people are using that we haven't figured out yet.

00:55:52.000 And it was a madhouse race to figure out what was going on with these prisoners in North Korea.

00:55:59.000 What was going on?

00:56:01.000 What were they doing with the prisoners?

00:56:02.000 Depriving them of sleep.

00:56:03.000 It was super basic stuff.

00:56:05.000 They were depriving them of sleep, treating them really well.

00:56:08.000 They're using these interrogation techniques that were developed by this German guy named Hans Scharf.

00:56:13.000 And every interrogation system nowadays that's taught is a derivative of Hans Scharf's work.

00:56:20.000 And funny enough, he's the most famous interrogator in history.

00:56:23.000 And he was like the first guy that said, hey, what if we're not assholes?

00:56:27.000 What if we're not just total assholes to these people?

00:56:30.000 And take them out on walks, maybe give them a sandwich every once in a while.

00:56:33.000 And the whole time pretend like every piece of intelligence they give us, we pretend like we already knew it.

00:56:38.000 And that was kind of his premise.

00:56:40.000 Like, let's not be a dick.

00:56:42.000 He got famous for that.

00:56:44.000 So everything is based on his work now.

00:56:46.000 And funny enough, you ever been to Disneyland?

00:56:49.000 Sure.

00:56:49.000 You know the huge mosaic that you walk through?

00:56:52.000 It's a huge tile mosaic thing at the very entrance of Disneyland.

00:56:56.000 I don't recall it.

00:56:58.000 I probably wasn't paying attention.

00:57:00.000 Hans Scharf made that.

00:57:01.000 Oh, really?

00:57:02.000 By hand.

00:57:02.000 Yeah.

00:57:03.000 Whoa.

00:57:04.000 Weird.

00:57:04.000 How much time did that take?

00:57:06.000 I don't know.

00:57:06.000 How big is this thing?

00:57:07.000 It's huge.

00:57:07.000 See if you can find it, Jamie.

00:57:09.000 How big is it?

00:57:10.000 He made it by hand?

00:57:12.000 Is he on acid?

00:57:14.000 Had to be.

00:57:15.000 That thing.

00:57:16.000 Wow.

00:57:17.000 Left a permanent mark on Disney.

00:57:19.000 A former Nazi interrogator.

00:57:22.000 Fuck.

00:57:23.000 Like as if Disney doesn't have enough problems with Walt Disney being linked to anti-Semitism.

00:57:29.000 The fact that they actually have a Nazi artist.

00:57:33.000 If there was a competition where I said, Joe, give me a million dollars if you can figure out what this Nazi interrogator did on the side.

00:57:40.000 Not a chance I'd come up with that.

00:57:42.000 That's crazy.

00:57:43.000 And it's almost...

00:57:44.000 How bizarre.

00:57:44.000 Yeah, it's like a DMT kind of visual going on.

00:57:51.000 Well, that's just weird in and of itself that he was working with these people.

00:57:56.000 Like, how was Walt Disney connected to that guy?

00:57:58.000 No idea.

00:57:59.000 No clue.

00:58:01.000 That's not good.

00:58:02.000 That doesn't do a lot to quell the rumors.

00:58:05.000 You know?

00:58:06.000 Yeah.

00:58:07.000 So...

00:58:08.000 I think it was paperclip.

00:58:10.000 Oh, Operation Paperclip.

00:58:12.000 So these people that are...

00:58:14.000 Is there documentation that shows the effectiveness of certain techniques?

00:58:21.000 Like, do we have any of their work?

00:58:25.000 Like, the Jolly West, did he publish any things?

00:58:28.000 Or did he leave behind documents explaining what worked and what didn't work?

00:58:34.000 Yeah, some.

00:58:35.000 But you know, this guy named...

00:58:38.000 I don't remember his first name.

00:58:39.000 Church.

00:58:39.000 Got really pissed off about all the CIA stuff.

00:58:42.000 Church committee.

00:58:43.000 He said, we're going to get it all.

00:58:44.000 And then the CIA launched a destruction order and said, we need to destroy...

00:58:47.000 It was like Enron at the CIA then.

00:58:50.000 The paper's getting shredded and all this stuff.

00:58:52.000 And some of the documents survived the destruction order because they were in a dude's attic.

00:59:00.000 Yeah.

00:59:00.000 This guy's name...

00:59:01.000 He was a professor in New York at Colgate University.

00:59:04.000 And his name was Dr. George Estabrooks.

00:59:07.000 And not many people...

00:59:08.000 Talk about him.

00:59:09.000 But he was big into it.

00:59:10.000 Him and Edgar Hoover had a plan to hypnotize a German submarine captain, split his personality, which is not hard to do, and send him back home and have him torpedo his entire fleet inside of his own harbor.

00:59:30.000 And I have all of those documents.

00:59:33.000 So these professors and these scientists were working with the CIA while they were developing MKUltra.

00:59:40.000 So they probably thought they were doing it for national security purposes.

00:59:44.000 Yeah.

00:59:44.000 And so they were probably saying, look, North Korea is doing this.

00:59:49.000 Germany is doing it.

00:59:50.000 All these countries are doing this.

00:59:51.000 We need to do this as well.

00:59:52.000 Yeah.

00:59:53.000 I mean, they were at the bottom of Maslow's Pyramid.

00:59:55.000 You'll do anything.

00:59:57.000 Our country's going to go down.

00:59:58.000 Did you read Chaos, the Tom O'Neill book?

01:00:00.000 No.

01:00:01.000 It's about the Manson family, how they did it with the Manson family.

01:00:04.000 It's essentially, I mean, he lays out a very compelling case for the CIA not only training Manson but supplying him with LSD and then getting him out of jail every time he got caught.

01:00:18.000 And that it was done to change the perception of the anti-war movement.

01:00:23.000 Like the hippies were peace, love, and psychedelic music, and people were dropping out of society.

01:00:30.000 And instead, the narrative now became, no, they're murderers and psychopaths, and they're going to kill beautiful actresses and people in Hollywood.

01:00:39.000 So they thought he would be like the vaccine for Timothy Leary.

01:00:43.000 Yeah, that's a good way to put it.

01:00:47.000 They took this guy who was a con man and had sort of a proclivity towards influencing people and being charismatic.

01:00:56.000 You ever heard his music?

01:00:57.000 No, I didn't know he did music.

01:00:59.000 Yeah, he actually recorded with Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys.

01:01:06.000 And I think Brian Wilson and him, there was a real problem because his career didn't take off and he threatened him.

01:01:14.000 It became very problematic, his relationship with Brian Wilson.

01:01:19.000 So you can find the song.

01:01:21.000 You can listen to it a little bit.

01:01:22.000 Can we play this?

01:01:24.000 Does someone own this?

01:01:25.000 How does that work?

01:01:28.000 Guns N' Roses covered one of his songs.

01:01:30.000 Did you know that?

01:01:30.000 Oh yeah, we talked about that.

01:01:32.000 I think we did.

01:01:33.000 Yeah, but he recorded some songs, and, you know, they're not that bad.

01:01:43.000 Is that him singing?

01:01:44.000 Yeah.

01:01:45.000 That's not bad.

01:01:57.000 It's not bad.

01:01:58.000 Yeah, it's decent.

01:01:59.000 It's not bad.

01:01:59.000 It's an okay, shitty song from the 60s.

01:02:03.000 It's not something you want to put on your Spotify playlist, but it's not bad.

01:02:07.000 It's better than a third of guys that play at the bar.

01:02:11.000 Yeah, it's better than a third of the guys on 6th Street in Austin, Texas.

01:02:18.000 It's not bad.

01:02:19.000 I mean, he was a charismatic person, right?

01:02:21.000 And that's what you need to run a cult and that's what you need to be a good rock star.

01:02:25.000 And a lot of psychedelics.

01:02:26.000 Yeah.

01:02:26.000 And he apparently wouldn't take them.

01:02:28.000 He would give them to people and pretend to take them.

01:02:31.000 And then he would use these methods to manipulate them while they were under.

01:02:35.000 So, like, he's sober and he's going through this CIA textbook of how to manipulate and control these people.

01:02:42.000 And then he gets these people like Tex Watson and, you know, Squeaky Fromm and all these fucking psychopaths.

01:02:48.000 And he, through this sort of indoctrination and bringing them into the family and, you know, they're staying with him.

01:02:56.000 And then he's committing murders and crimes and he keeps getting out.

01:03:00.000 He gets arrested and they let him out.

01:03:03.000 And the sheriffs that let him out, they all have the same explanation.

01:03:06.000 I was told it was above my pay grade, and they just let him out.

01:03:09.000 So the guy's violating parole, and he's getting out, like, multiple times.

01:03:14.000 My God, I didn't know this.

01:03:15.000 Yeah, and there's a real compelling case for Jolly West.

01:03:21.000 First of all, there's anecdotal evidence.

01:03:23.000 Jolly West visited him in jail, and they think that that's when it all started.

01:03:29.000 Wow.

01:03:30.000 Yeah.

01:03:30.000 I don't doubt any of that.

01:03:31.000 It felt to make sense because, like, that's a really successful cult, like, as far as, like, the historical footprint.

01:03:38.000 You know, like, everybody knows about the Manson family.

01:03:41.000 I mean, like, that worked.

01:03:42.000 That scared the shit out of everybody.

01:03:44.000 It was weird.

01:03:45.000 Like, oh, my God, what if your children join the Manson family?

01:03:47.000 Oh, my God, my kids are vulnerable.

01:03:48.000 What if they want to be peace, love, and flower children and they get wrapped up in the family?

01:03:53.000 And that's, it just sort of changed the tone in society.

01:03:59.000 With people, and it was also at the same time when they passed that sweeping Schedule I psychedelics act where they made everything illegal.

01:04:05.000 It was all around the same time.

01:04:06.000 And art goes to zero.

01:04:08.000 Yeah, art goes into the toilet.

01:04:10.000 All art starts disappearing.

01:04:11.000 Architecture, music.

01:04:12.000 A lot of things went south.

01:04:14.000 Yeah, car design.

01:04:15.000 But the fact that there's real compelling evidence that this was the government.

01:04:21.000 And this is the government's response to this immense cultural change that took place between 1950 and 1960. And it's not like just guessing.

01:04:29.000 It's like there's real programs that they were involved in that were absolutely doing that kind of work.

01:04:36.000 A hundred percent.

01:04:37.000 Yeah.

01:04:37.000 And that's really crazy to think of.

01:04:40.000 And it gets deeper.

01:04:43.000 Like there are step-by-step programs they have for creating a Manchurian candidate.

01:04:47.000 Okay.

01:04:48.000 Like what's step one?

01:04:49.000 How do you know when you can get a guy?

01:04:51.000 To be a Manchurian Kennegan.

01:04:52.000 Can you do anybody?

01:04:53.000 Or do you have to get a vulnerable guy?

01:04:55.000 I don't want to say everything.

01:04:56.000 I think some of this could be misused.

01:04:59.000 Well, I don't know if you know about Grok.

01:05:02.000 But Grok's out there misusing information.

01:05:05.000 He can get anything from that.

01:05:07.000 So you're a very social guy.

01:05:09.000 And you've got lines in your forehead here from raising your eyebrows a lot.

01:05:13.000 There's people that are your age that...

01:05:15.000 Are not very socially connected to people that have smooth foreheads.

01:05:18.000 Oh, interesting.

01:05:19.000 So if you're smiling a lot your whole life, you're going to develop these little crow's feet.

01:05:23.000 And you'll do it by the age of 19. If you're a social, happy person, you'll see the crow's feet.

01:05:28.000 If you're angry all the time, you're going to see this little muscle right here, the glabella.

01:05:33.000 Yeah, but yours is not that pronounced.

01:05:36.000 But whatever emotion we experience on a very, very regular basis etches itself onto the face as a rule of thumb.

01:05:43.000 Saying that this is science, it's not.

01:05:46.000 This is my observation.

01:05:47.000 There's no study that I can send you.

01:05:50.000 But we can see that.

01:05:52.000 I mean, you can see somebody who's lived a super happy life.

01:05:55.000 They have these little smile lines around their eyes.

01:05:57.000 Somebody who's raising their eyebrows a lot.

01:05:59.000 Our forehead is a social billboard.

01:06:02.000 So you're going to see those lines start coming on the face.

01:06:04.000 But what if I told you to make a skeptical facial expression?

01:06:09.000 What would you do?

01:06:11.000 If you ask me to be skeptical, this is my skeptical face.

01:06:15.000 Okay.

01:06:15.000 So like somebody's trying to feed you something, most people will kind of, these lower eyelids are going to tighten up.

01:06:21.000 I might do that too.

01:06:22.000 I might do that.

01:06:24.000 Most of the time though, I'm like, what?

01:06:26.000 It's my what bitch face.

01:06:27.000 What bitch?

01:06:28.000 What?

01:06:32.000 If I have somebody who is not skeptical ever in their life, they have the smoothest lower eyelids in the world.

01:06:40.000 Huh.

01:06:41.000 So to test this out, and this is anecdotal, but I gave it to five guys who are stage hypnotists.

01:06:48.000 They're out of these comedy clubs every night, knocking people out and all that stuff.

01:06:53.000 And I told them, test this theory over the course of five years.

01:06:56.000 They all said it's 100% accurate.

01:06:58.000 Because, you know, they bring people up and some guy doesn't go all the way in.

01:07:02.000 His hands aren't stuck together.

01:07:03.000 He's like, all right, sir, thanks for coming.

01:07:05.000 Go back to your seat.

01:07:05.000 We should explain what we're talking about.

01:07:07.000 There's comedy hypnotists.

01:07:10.000 And if you don't know and if you haven't seen it, you would think it's bullshit.

01:07:14.000 But I was very fortunate when I was 21. When I worked in Boston, there was a guy who was really good at it.

01:07:19.000 He was an actual hypnotist.

01:07:21.000 His name was Frank Santos.

01:07:22.000 And he did this show, this comedy hypnotism show.

01:07:24.000 I think it was every Monday night at Stitch's Comedy Club.

01:07:27.000 And it was insane.

01:07:28.000 He would have people go on stage.

01:07:30.000 They thought they were having sex with Madonna.

01:07:32.000 They thought they were in a rowboat.

01:07:34.000 And the rowboat was going to tip over.

01:07:36.000 They had a dance.

01:07:38.000 And if they danced the best, they thought they were going to win a million dollars.

01:07:41.000 And it was weird.

01:07:43.000 It was weird to watch.

01:07:44.000 And he could tell when someone was under and someone wasn't under.

01:07:48.000 And it was weird.

01:07:50.000 It was weird to watch because I never believed in that.

01:07:55.000 I was like, well, I guess you have to be a dope.

01:07:57.000 Maybe you just have to be a dope and that's the kind of people that he picks.

01:08:00.000 He just finds the dumb people.

01:08:01.000 But a lot of the people I talked to afterwards, I was like, what happened?

01:08:04.000 And they're like, I don't know.

01:08:06.000 It's just like he's snapping his fingers and next thing you know, I'm fucking dancing.

01:08:09.000 It was the weirdest thing I've ever experienced in my life.

01:08:12.000 So I'm a hypnotist, certified hypnotist.

01:08:16.000 And I've learned it just because of my brain obsession.

01:08:19.000 And I didn't believe in it either.

01:08:20.000 I had zero belief that it was real.

01:08:23.000 And I went to my first comedy hypnosis show like five years ago.

01:08:26.000 This guy's name is Rich Guzzi.

01:08:28.000 And it's real.

01:08:30.000 Like I saw this.

01:08:31.000 I'm like, oh my god.

01:08:33.000 These people aren't just like performing.

01:08:34.000 It's definitely real.

01:08:38.000 Damn, what were we talking about?

01:08:40.000 Hypnosis?

01:08:41.000 Yeah.

01:08:42.000 We were talking about...

01:08:43.000 So the suggestible.

01:08:45.000 Yeah, suggestible people.

01:08:47.000 Like, how do you pick someone to be a Manchurian candidate?

01:08:50.000 Can you pick anybody?

01:08:51.000 Yeah.

01:08:52.000 Or does it have to be a person that has, like, something off about them?

01:08:56.000 I don't think they have to have something that's off.

01:08:58.000 You can pick a totally healthy person that's very highly suggestible.

01:09:03.000 So I have a TV show coming out that's fiction.

01:09:07.000 Fiction.

01:09:09.000 The bad guy in the book gets access to some of these techniques and he doesn't know how to – they're not working.

01:09:15.000 So he goes to these comedy hypnosis shows and he just picks people that were called up on stage.

01:09:21.000 And he wrecks their lives.

01:09:23.000 Pre-select.

01:09:24.000 Yeah.

01:09:25.000 So he gets someone else to figure out who's suggesting.

01:09:26.000 Oh, that's smart.

01:09:29.000 And those people are highly suggestible and they're always more open to fun.

01:09:32.000 They're always better, you know, they live in front of their eyes a lot more.

01:09:36.000 And so suggestibility doesn't mean stupid.

01:09:38.000 It means that you're just more open to the things that are around you.

01:09:41.000 Right.

01:09:42.000 And they're typically happier people.

01:09:43.000 More suggestible people are typically happier people.

01:09:46.000 That's interesting.

01:09:47.000 Because they're just blissfully unaware?

01:09:50.000 Yeah.

01:09:51.000 I mean, it depends on if they're suggestible and addicted to, like, Instagram.

01:09:57.000 Horrifying stuff on Instagram and they're watching it all the time.

01:10:00.000 So they can get programmed easily for all these things.

01:10:03.000 So this guy, George Estabrooks, makes this formula to split the personality of an army officer and they call him Smith.

01:10:12.000 And they're going to split this guy, give his alter ego a bunch of secrets to take across enemy lines and then deliver these secrets that are in his head to this person that's on the other side of this thing.

01:10:25.000 And in this paper, it's a hypothetical.

01:10:27.000 It's written as a hypothetical.

01:10:29.000 So they're going to split this guy with the goal being he gets captured, somebody tortures him, they put a drill in his knee or something.

01:10:39.000 This other personality won't come out because there's a secret word and an anchor.

01:10:45.000 Like they'll squeeze his arm and say moonlight or something like that and it'll turn this other guy on.

01:10:49.000 Is that really possible to have like a partition in your brain where you keep other memories?

01:10:54.000 Absolutely.

01:10:55.000 Really?

01:10:55.000 Yeah.

01:10:57.000 It's not a partition.

01:10:58.000 I mean, there's no physical modification.

01:11:00.000 Of course.

01:11:01.000 It's happening.

01:11:02.000 But I mean, like a partition.

01:11:03.000 Like there's something, there's another you in there.

01:11:06.000 Yeah.

01:11:06.000 And I'll tell you something scary when it comes to multiple personality stuff.

01:11:10.000 If a slightly suggestible, not even high, slightly suggestible person goes to a psychiatrist and...

01:11:18.000 Let's say I wanted to split somebody.

01:11:20.000 I could make up a piece of paper that's got 10 questions on it.

01:11:23.000 It's like, do you ever feel like you're at war with yourself?

01:11:26.000 Like one person wants to eat cake and the other one wants to eat broccoli.

01:11:30.000 That's 100%.

01:11:31.000 That's everybody.

01:11:32.000 Right.

01:11:33.000 And then the next one is, do you ever feel like you're arguing with yourself about whether or not you should relax or worry about something?

01:11:39.000 That's everybody.

01:11:40.000 But it has a lot of these questions that talked about you having different parts.

01:11:44.000 And then the psychiatrist takes this exam and he says, you know what?

01:11:48.000 I'm looking at all these numbers, and you scored in the 99th percentile for multiple personality disorder.

01:11:55.000 Have you ever felt like you're at war with a part of yourself?

01:11:57.000 That's everybody.

01:11:59.000 But now, he says, like, well, what does that part want?

01:12:02.000 If I could just talk to that part directly.

01:12:04.000 So now he starts having a conversation with this part.

01:12:07.000 And then he says, well, it's not really nice for us to do that.

01:12:10.000 Why don't we make a name for this part?

01:12:14.000 They're almost done.

01:12:15.000 That's almost the full creation.

01:12:17.000 So they've researched this in the 70s.

01:12:20.000 It's called iatrogenic creation of dissociative identities.

01:12:24.000 So if they wanted to do this and create a Manchurian candidate, there has to be like some proof that this is effective, right?

01:12:33.000 So before they send someone out to do some assassination or something, how would they know that they got this guy on the program?

01:12:42.000 Well, they tested it with hundreds of people first.

01:12:45.000 And they would all use colors.

01:12:47.000 So like Mrs. White was a subject or Mrs. Red or whatever.

01:12:50.000 And they would hypnotize a woman while she's – and then split all this personality stuff and develop that partition.

01:12:59.000 And then with her eyes open in one personality, she witnesses what she thinks is a real bomb getting put into a briefcase with a little timer thing on it, like an old movie dynamite thing that you'd see in a cartoon or something, like put into a briefcase.

01:13:14.000 Zip that thing up and she's holding it and they're telling her it's going to explode and then they change her personality to the other one.

01:13:21.000 And she's on heart rate monitors and all this other stuff.

01:13:23.000 And this is a CIA document they released and she's called Mrs. White in this document.

01:13:29.000 There's many, many more.

01:13:31.000 But the other personality's job is to not look in the briefcase because that personality doesn't know what's in it and sit in this waiting room with this briefcase beside you.

01:13:41.000 Heart rate doesn't go up.

01:13:44.000 And then another time, they watch a gun being loaded.

01:13:48.000 They split the personality and do some kind of sleight of hand to unload the firearm.

01:13:53.000 And then they're told to pull this firearm out and go shoot this person in the face when the trigger is given to you, like a guy tapping his pencil or something.

01:14:02.000 And they do it.

01:14:03.000 And this is just hypnosis that caused them?

01:14:06.000 They're not using any psychedelic drugs or psychotropic medicine?

01:14:09.000 You don't need it.

01:14:10.000 Nothing?

01:14:11.000 Yeah.

01:14:12.000 Wow.

01:14:14.000 It's easier than you think.

01:14:16.000 For some people, right?

01:14:18.000 High authority on one end of the person doing the program and high suggestibility on the other, then your skills don't need to be that good.

01:14:26.000 You don't need to manufacture suggestibility.

01:14:28.000 If they say, here's this guy, I need to split this guy and he's not very suggestible, then your skills have to be high.

01:14:34.000 But if I have high suggestibility in the target, high authority in the person doing the programming...

01:14:39.000 I have ultimate results.

01:14:40.000 And it's not just this.

01:14:42.000 If I'm a psychiatrist and I have high authority and I have a highly suggestible client, I can change their life for the better with the exact same things.

01:14:51.000 So it's not just Manchurian stuff.

01:14:54.000 It's anybody trying to change another person needs that level of authority.

01:14:59.000 My goal as a doctor, psychiatrist, coach, whatever, is to raise that person's suggestibility so that my suggestions can change their life.

01:15:07.000 Will you then let them be aware of what you did and how you did it and what the pathway is?

01:15:14.000 If I'm helping someone?

01:15:15.000 Yeah.

01:15:16.000 Absolutely.

01:15:16.000 Yeah.

01:15:17.000 That's got to be a mindfuck for them.

01:15:20.000 You know Roy Jones?

01:15:21.000 Junior?

01:15:21.000 The boxer?

01:15:22.000 Of course.

01:15:22.000 He's a friend of mine.

01:15:23.000 Oh, I love that dude.

01:15:24.000 Yeah, me too.

01:15:27.000 And, man, he's been through a rough year.

01:15:29.000 I don't know if you've heard or anything.

01:15:30.000 No.

01:15:31.000 He's been through a lot this year.

01:15:32.000 What happened?

01:15:33.000 He lost his son.

01:15:34.000 Oh, I didn't know that at all.

01:15:35.000 Yeah, I think he was 21. Oh, that's terrible.

01:15:39.000 But Roy called me one day.

01:15:40.000 I went down there to train Roy at Roy's house.

01:15:44.000 And he called me one day and he's like, hey man, can you do this split personality thing on a fighter?

01:15:48.000 And I was like, oh yeah.

01:15:50.000 And as I'm telling him, yeah, I was like, I've never done this.

01:15:53.000 I didn't know if I could, but I was like, yeah, I'll get it done.

01:15:57.000 He's like, I've got this guy going into a fight in two days.

01:16:00.000 It's in Vegas.

01:16:00.000 Can you fly out?

01:16:02.000 Do your work on this guy.

01:16:04.000 So I essentially give him an alter ego.

01:16:07.000 But it's not created through massive trauma or anything like that.

01:16:11.000 It's kind of fabricated.

01:16:12.000 We use a little bit of simulated trauma to make this thing happen.

01:16:17.000 The dissociation part where I kind of separate from myself.

01:16:21.000 And this guy had the best fight of his life.

01:16:25.000 And this alter ego, you can ask Roy.

01:16:28.000 I told him not to get gassed out where you're not going to get gassed out.

01:16:31.000 Or run out of air.

01:16:34.000 Like you're going to always feel like you're satiated.

01:16:36.000 Even if you're not, you're going to stay up and keep going.

01:16:39.000 And the second is you're not going to feel any pain.

01:16:41.000 And you're going to be pure aggression and strategy and all this.

01:16:44.000 Roy gave me this list of stuff.

01:16:46.000 So this guy is a young fighter.

01:16:47.000 He's like 28. I programmed him.

01:16:50.000 It took me 48 hours total.

01:16:53.000 Not with him, but like two days.

01:16:55.000 Over the course of two days, I programmed him.

01:16:57.000 And then he goes up.

01:16:58.000 What's the thing where they take a picture?

01:17:00.000 Looking at each other, whatever that's called.

01:17:02.000 Face off?

01:17:02.000 Yeah.

01:17:03.000 So they go to do that and his wife is off camera and somehow this being near the opponent turned on this thing.

01:17:13.000 And he just looks over at his wife, like just a glance at his wife.

01:17:19.000 And she picked their kid up like there was a murderer in their house.

01:17:24.000 And they moved to another hotel temporarily because she's like, that's not my husband.

01:17:28.000 But we fix it to where we can turn it on and off any time.

01:17:32.000 But it scared her because it's like that little alter part of that guy came on and looked at his wife and she did not recognize it.

01:17:41.000 You know, Roy Jones Jr. had an alter ego.

01:17:44.000 Really?

01:17:44.000 Yeah.

01:17:44.000 He didn't tell me about it.

01:17:45.000 He called himself RJ. He had Roy Jones and then RJ. RJ is when there's real problems.

01:17:53.000 When RJ's out, you've got real problems.

01:17:56.000 Yeah.

01:17:57.000 And when he fought Montel Griffin, you know, he had his first fight with Montel Griffin, and Montel won by disqualification.

01:18:03.000 Do you know that fight?

01:18:06.000 No.

01:18:07.000 So, if something happened, I think it was a late punch or something happened.

01:18:13.000 He might have been swinging when he went down, and he hit him while he was going down, or while he was down already.

01:18:19.000 I don't remember exactly what happened, but I remember it was a disqualification, and then Roy Jones was like, RJ's coming out.

01:18:26.000 Wow.

01:18:27.000 And then in the second fight, it was just an obliteration.

01:18:30.000 He just destroyed them quickly.

01:18:31.000 Yeah.

01:18:32.000 And when you would see Roy Jones in his very best, he was like, first of all, he's probably the fastest.

01:18:44.000 Super middleweight in the history of sport and even light heavyweight.

01:18:47.000 He was so fast, it didn't even make sense.

01:18:50.000 There's some one-twos that he threw that you watch to this day and you swear they're sped up.

01:18:56.000 You're like, no one moves that fast.

01:18:58.000 He didn't even have a jab.

01:19:00.000 He would throw a left hook off the lead hand.

01:19:03.000 He did everything different.

01:19:04.000 He fucked everybody up because he didn't know what to do with it.

01:19:08.000 Everything was off.

01:19:09.000 It was just different and he can move faster than everybody.

01:19:14.000 I remember him showing me, because I'm ignorant about the fighting world and all that, but he showed me how those punches look from a receiving end.

01:19:22.000 There was like that one-two and then a couple more after that.

01:19:24.000 It was terrifying.

01:19:25.000 Oh yeah, they're horrifying.

01:19:26.000 You can't move quick enough.

01:19:27.000 No, like, it's done.

01:19:29.000 Especially if you don't know what's happening.

01:19:31.000 Like, your mind has to, your body has to be conditioned to movements.

01:19:36.000 Like, you see a movement, you react.

01:19:39.000 You know, like, if he's doing this, a punch is coming that way, I'm turning this way, I'm turning that way, if something's coming that way.

01:19:45.000 If he throws the left, the right is coming behind it, I'm ducking under.

01:19:48.000 If you don't know what those patterns are, and then, even if you do...

01:19:54.000 Roy would move so fast, it would fuck up your whole understanding of distance and timing.

01:20:00.000 Everything would be off.

01:20:01.000 He is.

01:20:02.000 Yeah.

01:20:03.000 He was special.

01:20:04.000 It makes so much sense.

01:20:06.000 In his prime, he was like unstoppable.

01:20:09.000 It was like every fight was an execution.

01:20:11.000 He played a fucking full basketball game one day and then defended his title.

01:20:15.000 Played a basketball game.

01:20:16.000 And then after the basketball game, running around the court, played, played well, and then defended his title.

01:20:22.000 Just because it was like he was having fun.

01:20:24.000 He was playing with his food.

01:20:25.000 Yeah.

01:20:26.000 He's a machine.

01:20:26.000 He was truly a machine.

01:20:28.000 He was so good, man.

01:20:28.000 And one of the nicest people I've ever met.

01:20:32.000 Great guy.

01:20:33.000 Such a good guy.

01:20:33.000 Great guy.

01:20:34.000 Great guy.

01:20:34.000 And great commentator as well.

01:20:35.000 He's very good at boxing commentary.

01:20:37.000 But yeah, he had a split personality.

01:20:40.000 Do you know the Mike Tyson story?

01:20:41.000 No.

01:20:42.000 So Mike Tyson, when he was 13, so Mike Tyson had a terrible childhood, you know.

01:20:48.000 Bedford Stuyvesant in Brooklyn.

01:20:49.000 It was just like horrible neighborhood crime and, you know, in and out of detention centers.

01:20:55.000 He gets adopted when he's 13 by this guy, Customato, who is one of the greatest trainers of all time, but also a hypnotist.

01:21:03.000 So Customato starts hypnotizing Mike Tyson when he's 13 years old.

01:21:07.000 Oh my gosh.

01:21:08.000 And when he talks to him about fighting, he's like, you don't exist, only the task.

01:21:14.000 So all of the things like, what?

01:21:17.000 Maybe I'm not good enough.

01:21:18.000 Maybe I'm this.

01:21:19.000 Maybe I'm that.

01:21:20.000 Maybe I'm a fraud.

01:21:21.000 You don't exist.

01:21:23.000 It's only the task.

01:21:25.000 And you are going to be the greatest heavyweight champion of all time.

01:21:29.000 That is such a great...

01:21:31.000 And if Cuss didn't die, he had an unbelievable spectacular career, but you can tell the difference when Cuss is gone.

01:21:39.000 He doesn't have that mentor anymore, doesn't have that leadership, and eventually it kind of falls apart for him.

01:21:45.000 He wins the title when Cuss had already been dead, but then defends the title.

01:21:51.000 He was just unstoppable.

01:21:52.000 He was so much better than everybody else, but slowly but surely up until the Buster Douglas fight.

01:21:59.000 You see, like, this deterioration of his discipline, and he's sort of just resting on his laurels, and fear.

01:22:06.000 Everyone was so terrified of him.

01:22:07.000 By the time they got into the ring, they were already beaten.

01:22:09.000 Yeah.

01:22:10.000 You'd see the look in their eye when he was staring at you.

01:22:12.000 They'd be like, oh, fuck.

01:22:14.000 And so, if Cuss was still alive, like, who knows?

01:22:19.000 What he would have accomplished.

01:22:20.000 Who knows?

01:22:21.000 He probably would have never lost.

01:22:23.000 If Cuss stayed alive, if Cuss was like slightly younger and was able to make it with him deep into his career, who knows?

01:22:29.000 Yeah.

01:22:30.000 But hypnotized him when he was 13. And that's early.

01:22:33.000 I mean, you're still getting your formative identity and beliefs about the world.

01:22:38.000 Also, you all of a sudden have love in your life.

01:22:40.000 All of a sudden you have respect.

01:22:42.000 All of a sudden you have people who appreciate you for what you do.

01:22:45.000 And so you really dig into this thing.

01:22:48.000 So Jim Jacobs was his manager.

01:22:50.000 And Jim Jacobs is also an archivist.

01:22:53.000 He has the greatest archive of boxing films in the world.

01:22:58.000 At the time.

01:22:59.000 So he's got all the old fighters, Stanley Ketchel and Jack Johnson and Jack Dempsey.

01:23:06.000 And so Mike Tyson, when he's not training, is watching the greatest boxers of all time on film.

01:23:13.000 Which nobody has access to.

01:23:15.000 Most boxers, you are as good as the gym you train in.

01:23:18.000 You know, if you're training in a gym with Tommy Hearns, like, damn, he is so good.

01:23:21.000 And you learn by being around him and you see what he does and you try to emulate it.

01:23:25.000 But the level of the best guys in the gym, it's always very top down.

01:23:29.000 The best gyms always have some fucking assassins at the very top.

01:23:35.000 World champions, top of the food chain guys, and everybody else sort of like follows their beat.

01:23:40.000 And you absorb.

01:23:41.000 Well, Mike Dyson was absorbing from everybody.

01:23:43.000 He was absorbing from Joe Lewis and Sugar Ray Robinson.

01:23:46.000 He was watching everybody.

01:23:48.000 Archie Moore.

01:23:49.000 He was watching all the greats.

01:23:50.000 Just hours and hours and hours and hours of studying films.

01:23:55.000 So it was proximity.

01:23:56.000 It was everything.

01:23:58.000 He got proximity and exposure to all that and nobody else had access.

01:24:01.000 And genetics.

01:24:03.000 When he was 13 years old, he was 190 pounds.

01:24:06.000 I had no idea.

01:24:07.000 Yeah.

01:24:08.000 Teddy Atlas used to take him to what they call smokers.

01:24:11.000 Smokers are like these amateur sort of unregulated fights.

01:24:15.000 And they would say, how old is he?

01:24:17.000 And you'd say 13, like bullshit.

01:24:18.000 And you're like, how old do you think he is?

01:24:20.000 He's like 16. So they put him in with 16 year olds and he knocked them out.

01:24:24.000 Oh, my God.

01:24:25.000 He was knocking everybody out.

01:24:26.000 He was just a genetic freak on top of being very intelligent, but never.

01:24:31.000 Really applied to anything other than boxing.

01:24:34.000 Fully absorbed with boxing.

01:24:36.000 Has a trainer who's one of the greatest trainers of all time.

01:24:39.000 Trained Floyd Patterson, Jose Torres.

01:24:41.000 I mean, Custom Auto was a legendary world champion trainer.

01:24:45.000 And then on top of that, he's a hypnotist.

01:24:47.000 So he's like deeply involved in the psyche of his fighters.

01:24:51.000 And he's a mentor figure to this kid.

01:24:53.000 And so you have that combination of things.

01:24:55.000 And you have that guy.

01:24:56.000 The greatest.

01:24:57.000 Mike Tyson at 79 at the age of 13. That's him at 13. Oh my gosh.

01:25:02.000 Fuck!

01:25:03.000 Look at the size of his biceps!

01:25:05.000 Bro, look at his biceps.

01:25:07.000 Look at his fucking right bicep at 13. That is insane.

01:25:11.000 I know.

01:25:12.000 Muhammad Ali above that is 12 years old and Tyson's 13 and built like a tank.

01:25:16.000 That is so crazy.

01:25:17.000 He's a monster.

01:25:19.000 Oh, everything was perfect.

01:25:21.000 It was the perfect storm.

01:25:23.000 Intelligence, genetics, training, proximity, and he was around great fighters as well.

01:25:30.000 He was in gyms in the Catskills with some of the best fighters of his era.

01:25:36.000 Does he credit psychedelics for this transformation that he's made?

01:25:40.000 He does talk about it.

01:25:42.000 Yeah, he does talk about it.

01:25:44.000 I'm sure it had an impact on him, that marijuana.

01:25:47.000 Both those things had an impact on him.

01:25:49.000 I mean, he's got to be...

01:25:51.000 I mean, just fighting for that long, your brain's going through so much, and you've got to come back to Earth.

01:25:58.000 It's like a dude coming off a five-year deployment or something over in the Middle East.

01:26:02.000 Like, you've got to reestablish yourself back to a normal.

01:26:05.000 Yes.

01:26:06.000 And I've heard him just talk about it once, where he talked about, I think it was just psilocybin.

01:26:11.000 But that saved me from a lot of...

01:26:15.000 Really crazy stuff as well.

01:26:17.000 But I think he is just a guy who knows.

01:26:21.000 I would be terrified.

01:26:22.000 Like if I was a cop and pulled him over and he said, go ahead and get back in your car, I'd be like, okay.

01:26:30.000 When I first met him, well, I met him before this, but when he first did the podcast, he was not working out at all.

01:26:38.000 And he was smoking weed all day long.

01:26:40.000 And he was, like, silly and peaceful and relaxed.

01:26:44.000 And he said he didn't want to work out because if he did, he would reignite his ego.

01:26:48.000 And he didn't want to do that.

01:26:50.000 And then the second time I saw him was when he was preparing for the Roy Jones fight.

01:26:54.000 And he had lost, like, 100 pounds.

01:26:55.000 He was shredded.

01:26:57.000 And, like, all his muscles were just fucking big and thick and puffed up.

01:27:01.000 And he looked terrifying.

01:27:02.000 And Jamie and I were like, that's a totally different person.

01:27:05.000 From the first episode he did to the second episode, completely different person because he was Mike Tyson again.

01:27:11.000 He was getting ready to fight again and he was fucking terrifying.

01:27:14.000 And this is Mike Tyson again at 50, right?

01:27:18.000 So imagine what Mike Tyson at 22 was like.

01:27:22.000 I mean, it had to be fucking terrifying.

01:27:26.000 I bet he won so many fights just psychologically.

01:27:30.000 Oh, yeah.

01:27:30.000 Standing across the ring looking at that guy.

01:27:32.000 Even if I was a good fighter.

01:27:34.000 Yeah.

01:27:35.000 I'm like, man.

01:27:36.000 Yeah, everybody was terrified of him.

01:27:38.000 You were standing there like, why am I doing this?

01:27:39.000 Uh-huh.

01:27:40.000 Yeah, he had an aura.

01:27:42.000 And all the greats have auras like that.

01:27:44.000 Roy Jones had that aura in his prime, too, where you knew the fighter that he was facing was fucked.

01:27:49.000 And, you know, eventually it catches up with you.

01:27:51.000 And it did with Mike, with Buster Douglas, and then Evander Holyfield and some of the other fights after that.

01:27:56.000 But, you know, when a fighter has that aura, it takes a very special, confident person to overcome that.

01:28:03.000 And that's why winning a title is so difficult.

01:28:07.000 It's so difficult to beat a champion.

01:28:10.000 Especially if you've never had a championship fight and you're fighting someone like Anderson Silva in his prime who had just been dominating his division.

01:28:19.000 This is your first world title fight.

01:28:21.000 And you're fighting a guy who's been there, done that eight times, destroyed everybody in his path, and he's looking at you at the way and he's not even remotely nervous about you.

01:28:29.000 And he's like smiling at you and he thinks he's just going to tear you apart.

01:28:33.000 Yeah.

01:28:34.000 And it takes a person of very special psychological – you have to have a fortitude.

01:28:44.000 Your mind has to be so fucking strong to be able to handle that moment because it's not just the physical fight of skills.

01:28:52.000 It's also the moment.

01:28:53.000 Yeah.

01:28:54.000 And the moment is overwhelming.

01:28:56.000 It's so different than everything else.

01:28:58.000 You don't even want to talk about novelty.

01:29:00.000 The novelty of a world title fight.

01:29:02.000 I mean, just imagine someone backstage at the UFC. There's four fights before you get on.

01:29:09.000 And you're watching people get knocked out and head kicked.

01:29:11.000 You're in the green room and you're in the locker rooms, rather.

01:29:15.000 And you're warming up.

01:29:16.000 You're practicing.

01:29:16.000 You're hitting mitts.

01:29:17.000 And you're thinking, what the fuck am I getting myself into?

01:29:20.000 Like, what am I doing?

01:29:21.000 And then you see Anderson Silva warming up.

01:29:23.000 You're like, oh, Jesus Christ.

01:29:25.000 What am I doing?

01:29:27.000 Like, you have to have a very special mind.

01:29:30.000 To be able to overcome that.

01:29:32.000 And I think it's one of the reasons why a lot of fighters today are seeking out mental coaches.

01:29:37.000 It's very common.

01:29:39.000 And I first found about it through my friend Vinny Shorman, who has worked with a lot of MMA fighters and a lot of world championship kickboxers as well and helped a lot of people with that.

01:29:48.000 But there's quite a few different fighters now that utilize mental coaches and some sort of visualization coaching.

01:29:59.000 They have very specific goals in terms of how they want to walk out, what they want.

01:30:05.000 They want to see the whole thing.

01:30:07.000 There's guys like Jon Jones would famously walk out.

01:30:11.000 Before the fight and he would move around the octagon.

01:30:15.000 He would like soak it all up in...

01:30:17.000 Empty?

01:30:17.000 Empty standing?

01:30:18.000 Yeah, when no one was there.

01:30:19.000 Before everything.

01:30:20.000 And we would get footage of it sometimes of him just moving around.

01:30:23.000 You know, he'd move around with his coaches.

01:30:25.000 He just wanted to feel the floor under his feet.

01:30:27.000 He wanted to see the cage.

01:30:28.000 He wanted to get himself in that mindset.

01:30:31.000 And, you know, John is, if not the greatest, one of the absolute greatest of all time.

01:30:35.000 And, you know, he was meticulous and still is meticulous about his preparation.

01:30:41.000 Meticulous about watching tape and footage and understanding who he's fighting, what their moves are, what they do, what their tells, what the mistakes they make, and then visualizing success.

01:30:52.000 I think the visualization is so powerful.

01:30:55.000 Yeah.

01:30:56.000 Because he's winning.

01:30:58.000 50, 100 times he's winning that fight before it starts.

01:31:02.000 And he's winning it so many times.

01:31:03.000 And just going in the ring, you're programming that mammalian brain with the smells and the sounds and just the feel of everything.

01:31:12.000 And it's such a great practice to establish for anybody.

01:31:16.000 Yeah.

01:31:17.000 As many bases as you can cover, right?

01:31:19.000 Like, the physical skills of fighting are so difficult to master, and you get to a certain level of ability where you do have confidence.

01:31:28.000 You know, you do think you are the man, and you can just dominate everybody.

01:31:32.000 The problem is when you're facing someone else who's also the man.

01:31:34.000 Like, he thinks he's the man, too.

01:31:36.000 And then you start questioning, maybe I'm wrong.

01:31:38.000 Maybe what's happened to my opponents is now going to happen to me.

01:31:41.000 Maybe I'm going to get mine now.

01:31:43.000 Fuck.

01:31:44.000 And, you know, the doubts start creeping into your mind.

01:31:48.000 Unless you have...

01:31:50.000 Some sort of a system of how to organize your mind and how to mitigate all this anxiety and stress and how to think about things and concentrate only on the positive things, only on what you are going to do and not all that bullshit.

01:32:05.000 And I think that's it.

01:32:06.000 It's about rehearsal.

01:32:08.000 And it's the way that top CEOs do it and everybody is they're rehearsing all of the good things happening in their head all the time.

01:32:15.000 They have just this general belief that things are going to be great.

01:32:18.000 And the guy that's psyching himself out before a fight, maybe it only takes a second, but he's rehearsing a loss.

01:32:25.000 He's rehearsing these little bad things happening.

01:32:27.000 And the brain, the mammalian brain, doesn't speak English at all.

01:32:32.000 So it's saying, okay, this is like we were preparing for this.

01:32:35.000 I'm going to try to make this happen.

01:32:36.000 It's the same thing when you're like searching for a car on the internet and you finally go buy it after a month and you see it all over the place.

01:32:43.000 You're telling your brain what to search for and seek out.

01:32:46.000 It's so true.

01:32:48.000 And that's our reticular formation inside of our brain.

01:32:51.000 So with these fighters, if I'm rehearsing on purpose, then I'm more likely to win.

01:32:56.000 If I'm rehearsing on accident by worrying, worrying is rehearsal.

01:33:01.000 And that's one of the things that I talked to Roy about with his guys that he trains.

01:33:05.000 If I worry once, that's rehearsal.

01:33:08.000 That's one rehearsal practice checked off the box.

01:33:11.000 And I've got to do one more to cancel that out.

01:33:14.000 It's mental rehearsal.

01:33:16.000 Rehearsal.

01:33:17.000 That's interesting.

01:33:18.000 And you have to also be aware of things that can go wrong if you do drop your hands, can go wrong if you do not move your head off the center line.

01:33:28.000 If there's something that you do that's a mistake, There's real consequences.

01:33:32.000 So a little bit of fear is very good for you.

01:33:36.000 One of the things that fighters talk about is having flat performances because they came in too confident.

01:33:41.000 And then they start getting beat up and they can't shift gears.

01:33:44.000 They can't get to the fear part.

01:33:47.000 Because the fear is kind of over once you start fighting.

01:33:50.000 When I was competing, I was always terrified up until the fight.

01:33:53.000 But when the fight is happening, you're not scared at all.

01:33:55.000 You're just reacting.

01:33:56.000 You're moving.

01:33:59.000 I mean, you probably get scared if you're getting hurt, if you're getting battered, you know, and you're against the ropes and you're getting fucked up.

01:34:05.000 But for the most part, you're not scared.

01:34:07.000 You're just, you're in this zen state.

01:34:10.000 You're in this state of just letting your training do the work.

01:34:13.000 But the lead up to it, the lead up to it is where everybody freaks out.

01:34:17.000 That's where the real fear comes.

01:34:19.000 And it's just mitigating that until you can get in there.

01:34:23.000 And then once you get in there, you're really not scared.

01:34:26.000 That makes perfect sense.

01:34:28.000 It's the same thing in the military.

01:34:29.000 Like if you're getting into a gunfight or something, there's fear before and not during.

01:34:34.000 And that's the same thing.

01:34:36.000 I would imagine there'd be fear during as well, though, no?

01:34:39.000 I mean, I don't want to speak for myself.

01:34:42.000 I've talked to a lot of dudes that just kind of everything goes quiet.

01:34:45.000 It's a mental stillness.

01:34:46.000 Because we go through a lot of training that gets you ready for a lot of those scenarios.

01:34:52.000 Man, I could show you a video after this.

01:34:55.000 That'll be fun.

01:34:56.000 But they have this program where, like, they put a black bag over your head.

01:35:00.000 And there's a bunch of dudes that are mostly, like, retired operator dudes.

01:35:05.000 And every few minutes, this black bag that you can't see through, and it's not like a plastic bag.

01:35:11.000 It's just like a hood.

01:35:12.000 And you're sitting there just holding your gun.

01:35:14.000 And they rip this bag off your head.

01:35:16.000 There's a circle on the ground that's, like, five feet wide.

01:35:18.000 And you can't step out of it.

01:35:19.000 You can't take a knee.

01:35:20.000 Those are the only rules.

01:35:22.000 And for these...

01:35:24.000 There's a scenario playing out in front of you every time the bag comes off.

01:35:28.000 And these guys are wearing like Arabic-style clothes and Middle Eastern-style clothes.

01:35:34.000 They're blaring crazy music and explosions in your head while the hood is on.

01:35:39.000 The hood gets ripped off.

01:35:40.000 It's like 40 seconds long.

01:35:41.000 You don't know what to expect.

01:35:42.000 You have no idea what's going to happen.

01:35:44.000 And these guys, they're wearing little masks and you have simulated ammunition.

01:35:51.000 Some will try to kill you.

01:35:53.000 Some might run up to you really fast and ask for directions.

01:35:57.000 And you never know what's going to happen.

01:35:59.000 And for these dudes to go down, they're all going to try to shoot you first.

01:36:02.000 If they shoot you first, you start the day over.

01:36:05.000 And it's like 11 hours.

01:36:07.000 It's a grueling process.

01:36:10.000 What is the purpose of this?

01:36:14.000 What are they trying to achieve?

01:36:15.000 There's a few things.

01:36:16.000 Your aim, like, I need to get better at target acquisition.

01:36:21.000 I do something here and I know something over here and I'm going to rotate over to this next thing that I have to deal with.

01:36:29.000 And after days and days and days of this, you get very good.

01:36:35.000 Like, it's nowhere near that level, but you walk out of there feeling like, you know, I'm John Wick now.

01:36:40.000 But they get you to a level.

01:36:42.000 And the instructors don't go down unless you hit them twice in the base of the nose.

01:36:46.000 So, like, you can shoot them in the chest and they'll slow down or they'll take a knee.

01:36:54.000 What happened?

01:36:55.000 My headphones stopped working.

01:36:57.000 Really?

01:36:58.000 Yeah.

01:36:58.000 They're good now.

01:36:59.000 Okay.

01:37:01.000 So they'll slow down.

01:37:02.000 You hit them twice in the base of the nose and they go down.

01:37:06.000 They'll drop.

01:37:07.000 And that's like the brain stem.

01:37:08.000 You have to sever the brain stem.

01:37:11.000 And it's days and days and days of this.

01:37:13.000 And you can't step out of the circle.

01:37:15.000 What is the simulated ammunition?

01:37:17.000 What are they using?

01:37:18.000 It's a real bullet.

01:37:19.000 Inside of a real gun.

01:37:21.000 So it's like the Beretta I deployed with.

01:37:24.000 But you take the barrel out and you put in this smaller barrel.

01:37:28.000 And it's a real bullet, but the tip of it's like wax.

01:37:32.000 And it's filled with like hot pink laundry detergent, essentially.

01:37:36.000 Like a little paintball, but it's inside of a bullet.

01:37:39.000 Inside of a real bullet.

01:37:41.000 You're going to have a problem with that fucking watch.

01:37:43.000 I know.

01:37:45.000 It's on airplane mode.

01:37:47.000 I had one of those once.

01:37:49.000 I wore it for one day and it was buzzing during a podcast.

01:37:51.000 I was like, alright, fuck this thing.

01:37:55.000 Now it's going to go off over there and you're going to have to reach for it.

01:37:57.000 So these are the bullets that they use?

01:38:00.000 Paintball training bullets.

01:38:02.000 Look at that, Joe.

01:38:03.000 Yeah, airplane mode.

01:38:05.000 Maybe it's someone important calling you.

01:38:06.000 Isn't there people on your list?

01:38:08.000 Nope.

01:38:09.000 Yeah, that's it.

01:38:11.000 So those things, they just splatter on your face?

01:38:14.000 Is that what it is?

01:38:15.000 Yeah, I mean, the guys are wearing masks and stuff like that.

01:38:17.000 Right.

01:38:18.000 But if it hits that area, then you go down.

01:38:22.000 Yeah.

01:38:22.000 Or you're done.

01:38:24.000 And then it's a lot of critical judgment and decision-making.

01:38:28.000 There might be a guy that walks up to you and he's holding an axe over his shoulder, but it's just like a farmer.

01:38:33.000 Because maybe the younger guys are like, oh, there's a dude, there's a weapon, he needs to die.

01:38:37.000 Right.

01:38:38.000 But he has no intent, right?

01:38:40.000 So you can't just shoot people because they have a weapon over there.

01:38:45.000 So it's a really good training for judgment and just that fast decision making.

01:38:51.000 Okay.

01:38:52.000 And so this is just to sort of condition them so that when a battle takes place, it'll be sort of automatic to fall into these patterns that they've learned.

01:39:01.000 Yeah.

01:39:01.000 And they may say this in other parts of the world, but they say you're going to default to the lowest level of your training, the lowest level that you've repeated thousands of times.

01:39:09.000 Right.

01:39:10.000 And that'll be your default.

01:39:14.000 It's interesting that you worked with one fighter.

01:39:17.000 Have you worked with any fighters since then?

01:39:20.000 Two other guys I've worked with, just through Roy.

01:39:23.000 I mostly work with CEOs that need a break from a bunch of limiting crap that's holding them back, or business people, but two other fighters that I've worked with.

01:39:32.000 And you can watch this guy's fight.

01:39:33.000 He's not gassed out.

01:39:34.000 He's sitting in the corner, and the other guy's just heaving, and his chest is still.

01:39:38.000 And you can see the announcers even say it in the fight, that he's not making any facial expressions.

01:39:44.000 Man, I can't remember.

01:39:47.000 Hold on.

01:39:48.000 I'll find it.

01:39:50.000 But it's on YouTube.

01:39:52.000 The fight is on YouTube.

01:39:53.000 I'll bring it up.

01:39:55.000 Bryant Perella.

01:39:57.000 Bryant Perella is his name.

01:40:00.000 Jamie will find it.

01:40:01.000 And the announcers are even saying he's not making facial expressions when he's getting hit.

01:40:05.000 It's like Terminator.

01:40:06.000 His face was just completely...

01:40:09.000 Straight.

01:40:10.000 There's a guy that was one of the greatest heavyweights of all time out of Russia.

01:40:14.000 His name is Fedor Emelianenko.

01:40:15.000 And he fought in Pride, which was this enormous organization in Japan in the early 2000s.

01:40:20.000 And he was famous for having a completely stoic expression no matter what happened.

01:40:26.000 That'd be terrifying to me.

01:40:27.000 Oh, he was the most terrifying.

01:40:28.000 Because he was so skillful as well.

01:40:30.000 But I wonder what they taught him in terms of how to keep your mind in check in the middle of...

01:40:39.000 Because, I mean, he'd be in these fucking wars, and just his facial expression never changed.

01:40:45.000 There's this famous fight with him and Kevin Randleman.

01:40:48.000 Kevin Randleman was this elite American wrestler, and he suplexes Fedor on his head, like on his neck and on his head, and his expression never changes.

01:40:58.000 In the middle of getting thrown through the air, slammed onto the ground, then moments later he catches Kevin in an armbar.

01:41:06.000 Wow.

01:41:07.000 Yeah, it was crazy.

01:41:09.000 Robot.

01:41:09.000 Never changed his face.

01:41:10.000 Just calm.

01:41:13.000 He might be having a cup of coffee at a local cafe.

01:41:16.000 I bet it was what you were talking about earlier.

01:41:18.000 You don't exist.

01:41:19.000 You don't exist.

01:41:21.000 And what I'm teaching to these fighters and what I'm programming these fighters to do is essentially the same thing.

01:41:26.000 You don't exist.

01:41:27.000 There's another part of you that's going to take over for this entire experience.

01:41:31.000 And this part of you is more than capable.

01:41:36.000 Did you talk to Roy about like what fighters experience, like what to work on?

01:41:42.000 Yeah.

01:41:43.000 So what did Roy tell you?

01:41:44.000 Roy said that the three most important things are, I don't want him to get gassed out too fast, which is like when, maybe that's a common term.

01:41:52.000 A lot of it, yeah.

01:41:53.000 A lot of it is anxiety, adrenaline dump.

01:41:56.000 Yeah.

01:41:56.000 And feeling like you're running out of air.

01:41:58.000 Yeah.

01:41:59.000 And I want him to be immune to pain, which is obviously not...

01:42:04.000 Not completely possible.

01:42:05.000 We can get close, like, to him feeling as so confident that the pain doesn't matter.

01:42:11.000 And he wanted him to be completely hell-bent on destroying this other guy.

01:42:17.000 Those are like Roy's three things.

01:42:19.000 And he said, you add in whatever you want.

01:42:21.000 So I added in some, because a couple of those things are symptoms.

01:42:24.000 So I wanted to figure out what's the root cause of this.

01:42:27.000 Like, if I'm just hell-bent on taking this guy out, the root cause of that might be anger.

01:42:33.000 And just being extremely mad and angry at somebody.

01:42:39.000 Generally speaking, they tell you that that's not a good emotion to take inside the ring because anger is an emotion and emotions will cause you to, like Yuri Prochaska says, go into another line.

01:42:53.000 So instead of doing what you should be doing in the flow, you might push things.

01:42:58.000 So you might be a little too aggressive and open yourself up to counters.

01:43:03.000 You might not be defensively responsible because you're really only thinking about offense.

01:43:08.000 Whereas you have to kind of be in the zone of both things at the same time and knowing when to attack and when not to attack.

01:43:14.000 That makes a lot of sense.

01:43:15.000 Yeah, a lot of people don't think.

01:43:18.000 But then there's fighters that fight angry.

01:43:19.000 And they're very successful.

01:43:21.000 If you know a guy, I'll do it.

01:43:23.000 It'd be interesting.

01:43:24.000 Anybody you want.

01:43:24.000 Well, there's a lot of UFC fighters probably listening to this right now.

01:43:27.000 Like, me!

01:43:28.000 I'm sure you'll get people that are interested in it.

01:43:31.000 Because everyone knows that there's a huge psychological aspect to fighting.

01:43:36.000 Everyone knows that.

01:43:37.000 No one denies that.

01:43:39.000 No one thinks you could just be skillful and just be...

01:43:42.000 And everyone knows there's a psychological aspect of it that's very, very, very important.

01:43:47.000 And if you could do something that would strengthen that, the same way you do something that strengthens your cardio or strengthens your power, you would think that that would be very beneficial.

01:43:56.000 Huge advantage.

01:43:57.000 Tiger Woods had an on-call.

01:43:59.000 Did he?

01:43:59.000 A hypnotist, yeah.

01:44:00.000 Really?

01:44:00.000 Yeah.

01:44:00.000 An on-call hypnotist?

01:44:02.000 Yeah, like a guy that I think traveled with them many, many times.

01:44:06.000 So he had a regular hypnotist that he saw.

01:44:10.000 I think it's a tremendous advantage.

01:44:12.000 And if you can get it to a point, so like I had been training all these CEOs, a couple of politicians that I've worked with that needed this breakthrough of confidence and authority and all this other stuff.

01:44:25.000 So I always had this way to like turn this thing on.

01:44:28.000 It was like an on switch to activate this little alter ego thing.

01:44:33.000 And for all the fighters, I had to figure out something else because they couldn't use their hands.

01:44:38.000 Their hands are all...

01:44:39.000 Gloved up and taped up and all that kind of stuff.

01:44:42.000 But I figured out with the fighter, there was so much...

01:44:45.000 It was almost like a little psychopath when this thing came on.

01:44:49.000 And you can see it in Bryant's face on this fight.

01:44:53.000 Do you have footage of him, Jamie?

01:44:54.000 I'm sorry.

01:44:55.000 I was looking at Tiger's.

01:44:58.000 I got lost into that.

01:44:59.000 I found the guy, but...

01:45:00.000 Oh, you found who it was?

01:45:01.000 Jay Brunza is his name.

01:45:03.000 Jay Brunza's?

01:45:04.000 It was when he was younger.

01:45:06.000 He also, he caddied for him, so he was around with him all the time.

01:45:09.000 Oh, Tiger Woods you're talking about.

01:45:10.000 We were talking about Roy Jones Jr.'s fighter.

01:45:12.000 That's like having your corner man and your hypnotist.

01:45:14.000 That is kind of crazy.

01:45:15.000 Every time in the corner, all right, and sleep.

01:45:17.000 So he traveled around with him all the time.

01:45:19.000 Well, I would imagine, look, if you're doing something like golf, where there's millions of dollars on the line, and that is clearly very, very much a mental game.

01:45:28.000 Yeah.

01:45:28.000 There's a lot of thinking and calculating and being in the zone in golf.

01:45:33.000 That totally makes sense.

01:45:35.000 That would be effective.

01:45:36.000 And it's so different.

01:45:37.000 It's so similar, though, to fighting where it's a very mental game.

01:45:41.000 Like, can I stay here?

01:45:42.000 Can I be present?

01:45:44.000 Can I figure out what's going on?

01:45:46.000 And keep in mind, I know nothing about fighting.

01:45:48.000 But I know a whole lot about the brain and how people work.

01:45:52.000 You know, it's interesting because what you're saying kind of applies to stand-up comedy, too.

01:45:58.000 We've talked about this a bunch of times in the green room of the club.

01:46:02.000 I think stand-up comedy is hypnosis.

01:46:04.000 I think it's kind of a mass hypnosis.

01:46:06.000 Because I feel hypnotized when someone's really good.

01:46:09.000 Not even as a person who does it, but as an audience member, when someone's really good, I'm allowing them to kind of think for me.

01:46:18.000 I'm going with the way they think.

01:46:21.000 When someone's really funny and I really enjoy watching them, I'm in their mind.

01:46:27.000 They're taking me on a journey.

01:46:28.000 They're like holding my hand and telling me where we're going.

01:46:31.000 And if someone's really good, you let them.

01:46:34.000 I've never thought about that before, but that's it.

01:46:37.000 You're bypassing your own critical factor where I'm not criticizing this information because it's funny.

01:46:43.000 I want to hear it.

01:46:44.000 I want to accept it.

01:46:45.000 That's why jokes work when you know the person doesn't really believe that.

01:46:49.000 They're saying crazy shit, but you're laughing anyway because you know what they're doing.

01:46:53.000 They're just taking you on a fun ride.

01:46:55.000 It's like a fun ride through jokes.

01:46:58.000 And when you're doing it, there's this moment.

01:47:02.000 That you want to achieve where you're essentially a passenger.

01:47:08.000 You're not even really the driver.

01:47:10.000 As the comedian.

01:47:12.000 Yeah, you're kind of the passenger.

01:47:14.000 And the set sort of takes over, and you're just going with where it wants to go.

01:47:22.000 And when the subjects come up...

01:47:25.000 If you're not completely invested in what that subject is, the audience knows.

01:47:31.000 You can say the words the right way with the right timing and they won't work.

01:47:36.000 There's like something about it.

01:47:37.000 But if you're locked in, the audience gets locked in with you.

01:47:42.000 And it's the difference between someone who can't figure it out and someone who becomes successful.

01:47:47.000 It's like realizing that you can't talk about something while you're not thinking about it.

01:47:53.000 You have to be thinking about that thing, and you have to be invested in it.

01:47:57.000 It has to be real to you.

01:47:58.000 It has to be something you're really interested in, and then the audience gets interested in it as well.

01:48:03.000 Yeah.

01:48:04.000 That is so true.

01:48:06.000 Yeah, it's a form of hypnosis, I think.

01:48:08.000 I mean, one big part of hypnosis is something called fractionation.

01:48:11.000 Are you familiar with this?

01:48:12.000 No.

01:48:12.000 So fractionation is where, like, I would put you into a trance, and that would bring you almost all the way out to where your eyes are kind of opening again, and then send you back down again, and you go deeper.

01:48:22.000 So in comedy – and in conversations, you can do this to people where it's like a super fun thing, then really depressing or scary thing, fun thing, scary thing.

01:48:30.000 Scroll through your social media feed.

01:48:32.000 It's fractionation as well.

01:48:34.000 But it increases suggestibility.

01:48:37.000 And one of the only – one of the best guys I've seen is like Mitch Hedberg could pull people in.

01:48:44.000 Oh, yeah.

01:48:45.000 Man, he was such a – Awesome dude when it came to that stuff.

01:48:48.000 You know why he could pull people in though?

01:48:51.000 It's because people knew what to expect when you went to see Mitch Hedberg.

01:48:55.000 Mitch Hedberg's struggle was...

01:48:57.000 The early days when people didn't know who he was and if you schedule the show badly like say if you have like an opening act that's high energy and then a middle act the worst is like of a middle act does like singing and songs and stuff and then he's very non sequitur deadpan one funny line after another absurdities it's all absurd and it you know sometimes it didn't catch on like he had to be come famous and then people wanted to go see him knowing what they were Yeah.

01:49:28.000 That makes so much sense.

01:49:29.000 Yeah.

01:49:29.000 Because he's kind of like a Stephen Wright guy.

01:49:31.000 Yes.

01:49:32.000 Very similar.

01:49:34.000 Non-sequiturs and wacky observations.

01:49:38.000 Yeah.

01:49:39.000 Wow.

01:49:39.000 I would have never considered that.

01:49:41.000 So people have to have a degree of expectancy.

01:49:43.000 Well, not always.

01:49:45.000 I mean, sometimes people just appreciate it because it's funny.

01:49:47.000 But the show has to be structured correctly.

01:49:49.000 Like I said, if someone goes on before and it's a rowdy crowd and they're singing and they do some...

01:49:55.000 Fucking backflips or something crazy.

01:49:57.000 And you get used to that person.

01:49:58.000 Like this big reaction from the audience.

01:50:00.000 And then you got a guy there with sunglasses on.

01:50:02.000 Someone asked me if I want a frozen banana.

01:50:04.000 I said no.

01:50:05.000 But I want a regular banana later.

01:50:07.000 So yes.

01:50:09.000 It's like, what the fuck are you talking about?

01:50:11.000 You have to be a Mitch Hedberg fan or know what he's doing to appreciate that.

01:50:17.000 But once he became famous, then it was awesome.

01:50:19.000 Because then he was free.

01:50:21.000 So then he could just be himself.

01:50:23.000 He didn't have to worry about...

01:50:24.000 They were coming to see him.

01:50:25.000 So then he could just like really like excel.

01:50:29.000 Yeah.

01:50:29.000 So what I teach, I want to see if you can relate this to comedy somehow.

01:50:35.000 I teach, you know, we talked about what influences the mammalian brain.

01:50:38.000 Focus, authority, tribe, and emotion.

01:50:40.000 Those four things.

01:50:42.000 And no language involved whatsoever.

01:50:44.000 And then the human brain has six things.

01:50:47.000 And it seems like expectancy is one of those things.

01:50:50.000 So it's focus, openness, connection.

01:50:54.000 Suggestibility, compliance, and expectancy.

01:50:57.000 And I think you only need three.

01:50:59.000 If you get three, you can get compliance from anybody.

01:51:01.000 Like the Milgram experiment, there's no openness, there's no connection, and there's no expectancy.

01:51:07.000 They don't know what to expect is next.

01:51:08.000 So the Milgram experiment only got three and made people murderers.

01:51:13.000 Only three.

01:51:15.000 So as a comic, if you're on stage, you have to generate that focus.

01:51:20.000 You want to create some level of openness with the people in the crowd so they're open to receiving.

01:51:26.000 And suggestibility, I guess, would have to be in there, right?

01:51:29.000 And connection would be a huge one.

01:51:32.000 Yeah, there's a lot of things going on.

01:51:34.000 But there's so much that goes into planning a show that I never thought about until just when you said that.

01:51:39.000 You have to keep the energy level at the right balance.

01:51:42.000 You also have to have the right mindset before you go on stage.

01:51:46.000 The worst thing that can happen is before you go on stage, something happens that throws you off.

01:51:51.000 You get a phone call from a loved one.

01:51:54.000 Something goes wrong at your house.

01:51:56.000 You're in a car accident.

01:51:57.000 Something happens before you go on stage and you're fucked up.

01:52:01.000 That's a bad one.

01:52:04.000 That happened to me yesterday.

01:52:05.000 What happened?

01:52:06.000 Because you've got the biggest show, I think, in the world.

01:52:09.000 Biggest podcast in the world.

01:52:10.000 And for the first time in a year and a half, I had seizures yesterday.

01:52:13.000 Oh, my God.

01:52:14.000 Just yesterday.

01:52:15.000 You think it's because of this show?

01:52:16.000 The show put you into a seizure?

01:52:18.000 I forgot to take methylene blue for three days straight.

01:52:21.000 Oh.

01:52:22.000 And the seizures came back.

01:52:24.000 Wow.

01:52:24.000 How bad was it?

01:52:25.000 It was like a minute and a half.

01:52:27.000 But one of them, we were on the way to a restaurant, and I was like holding.

01:52:31.000 Our daughter, who's like 13 months old.

01:52:33.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:52:35.000 But it's not like a crazy seizure.

01:52:37.000 It's just like your head falls down.

01:52:39.000 But I thought like, yeah, I'm going to have a seizure on Rogan.

01:52:43.000 Oh, no.

01:52:44.000 Like if it happened, I would beg you to keep it in.

01:52:47.000 Have there been studies on methylene blue and seizures where are doctors recommending this stuff?

01:52:54.000 Absolutely.

01:52:54.000 I've published papers on it.

01:52:56.000 So doctors are backing it up.

01:52:59.000 Tons and tons of studies.

01:53:00.000 And these are major universities.

01:53:02.000 It's not like Jimbo's College down in Mexico City or something.

01:53:06.000 These are major universities.

01:53:08.000 Neurodegenerative disorders like Parkinson's, myasthenia gravis, ALS, and epileptic disorders.

01:53:15.000 So anybody that's got epilepsy, this is neuroprotective.

01:53:20.000 And then it's also neurogenerative.

01:53:22.000 It helps you to get to a point where you can make new neurons.

01:53:25.000 And it helps your mitochondria so much, your neuron mitochondria.

01:53:29.000 Wow.

01:53:30.000 And, like, mitochondria make up 6% of your body weight.

01:53:34.000 It's like, we got a lot.

01:53:36.000 Really?

01:53:37.000 Yeah.

01:53:38.000 We have a ton.

01:53:39.000 And they don't have human DNA. I thought you might like that.

01:53:42.000 What does mitochondria have?

01:53:43.000 It's its own DNA. They think it was like original from bacteria and then formed a relationship with single-celled organisms and then became human or became animals, mammals.

01:53:56.000 And mitochondria do not share DNA with humans.

01:54:00.000 Whoa.

01:54:01.000 And they power our cells.

01:54:03.000 It's pretty cool.

01:54:05.000 And methylene blue helps them?

01:54:07.000 Yes.

01:54:08.000 There's a whole lot.

01:54:10.000 And the reason red light is effective is because of this chemical called cytochrome C oxidase.

01:54:15.000 And it's absorbing so much of that red light to where there's photons going down into the mitochondria helping to generate ATP. I'm not like saying click the link down below or anything like that.

01:54:30.000 It saved my life.

01:54:31.000 Is there anything that people should be worried about with that stuff?

01:54:34.000 Like other than taking SSRIs?

01:54:37.000 What happens if you take too much of it?

01:54:39.000 I'm not a doctor.

01:54:41.000 But taking too much of it can be toxic.

01:54:44.000 But I mean, taking too much aspirin will do the same thing.

01:54:47.000 Right.

01:54:47.000 So it's hormesis is what they call this, where I'm like at the right amount, it's helpful.

01:54:52.000 So that's a hormetic effect.

01:54:54.000 And what's the effective dose again per body weight?

01:54:57.000 My dose, I can't tell anybody what to do, but the dose I take is about one to two milligrams per kilogram per day.

01:55:05.000 And then I'll take one day off like once a week, maybe.

01:55:09.000 Sometimes I'll just keep going.

01:55:11.000 So if I'm 70 kilograms and I'm taking two milligrams per kilogram, I'm going to take 140 milligrams per day all at one time, usually just in the morning.

01:55:26.000 And it is so cool.

01:55:29.000 I've heard people say that they feel a cognitive benefit from it as well.

01:55:33.000 Oh, yeah.

01:55:34.000 Yeah.

01:55:35.000 I think it's just generating a lot more energy in your brain because there's ATP. Just going out everywhere.

01:55:40.000 This sounds like one of those things, though, where we're talking about this, I'm like, man, one day this is going to bite everybody in the ass.

01:55:46.000 Like, this sounds like one of those ones where it's almost too good to be true.

01:55:51.000 I know.

01:55:52.000 It's backed by 120 years of research.

01:55:54.000 I was just Googling the weight of them, and this is the best I could find.

01:55:58.000 Okay.

01:55:59.000 It says, due to their tiny size, individual mitochondria weigh an incredibly small amount, particularly negligible, but collectively in the human body, total weight of all mitochondria would be to estimate the range of a few milligrams.

01:56:08.000 However, the exact rate can be dependent on factors like body mass and cell type.

01:56:14.000 Well, that doesn't sound like 6% of your body.

01:56:16.000 I don't think that's correct.

01:56:17.000 But that's AI overview.

01:56:19.000 It can't be wrong.

01:56:20.000 Oh, that's right.

01:56:21.000 Sorry.

01:56:23.000 Interesting.

01:56:24.000 Where did you hear this from?

01:56:25.000 A professor of mine.

01:56:26.000 Maybe he's dealing with old information.

01:56:29.000 Might be.

01:56:31.000 A few milligrams is definitely not 6% of your body weight.

01:56:33.000 I think it's a lot more than that.

01:56:35.000 Okay.

01:56:35.000 But either way, it's a part of your body.

01:56:38.000 And it's like the most important thing in our bodies is mitochondria.

01:56:42.000 So we get inflammation and we have all these disorders.

01:56:45.000 It starts with some kind of dysfunction with mitochondria most of the time, as I understand it.

01:56:51.000 So the doctor that got me on this mitochondrial health regimen, which is methylene blue plus high-dose melatonin.

01:57:00.000 And this is like 200 milligrams.

01:57:03.000 And do you take it during the day?

01:57:05.000 Oh, no.

01:57:06.000 Melatonin at night.

01:57:07.000 Right around sunset where my body's kind of naturally wanting to get sun.

01:57:10.000 I've heard people talk about the side effects of melatonin and that taking exogenous melatonin might not be the best idea.

01:57:19.000 Melatonin doesn't have a rebound effect.

01:57:21.000 It doesn't?

01:57:21.000 No.

01:57:21.000 So it doesn't have an effect on your body's ability to produce it either?

01:57:25.000 No.

01:57:25.000 No?

01:57:26.000 No.

01:57:26.000 So there's no negative side effects?

01:57:28.000 Well, people think there's negative side effects of everything, right?

01:57:31.000 There could be.

01:57:32.000 That's one of the problems with the muddy, murky waters of health and nutrition.

01:57:37.000 It's hard to know who's correct because there's a bunch of, air quote, experts on both sides.

01:57:43.000 Yeah, what I'm saying is it's correct for me because it's solving the problem of me.

01:57:49.000 Like, when my daughter was born, my daughter was born on Christmas Eve, 2023. When I was driving my wife to the hospital at that time, I didn't know who she was.

01:58:01.000 Really?

01:58:01.000 Yeah.

01:58:02.000 So you had seized up?

01:58:03.000 No, I mean...

01:58:04.000 Something was wrong.

01:58:05.000 My hippocampus was like eating itself at that time.

01:58:08.000 I knew that she was a friend.

01:58:10.000 I knew that she was important to me.

01:58:12.000 What?

01:58:13.000 You literally didn't know she was your wife?

01:58:14.000 Didn't know she was my wife.

01:58:16.000 I took selfies with her going into the hospital.

01:58:18.000 She's pregnant, going into labor and delivery.

01:58:22.000 But I knew that if I could fake it...

01:58:24.000 For 10 or 15 minutes when this thing, like, wears off, because I'd have these, like, weird phases that my brain went through.

01:58:30.000 If I could fake it for 10 or 15 minutes, it'll come back to me.

01:58:34.000 Wow!

01:58:34.000 What a mindfuck.

01:58:36.000 It's terrifying in that, like, you won't, like, you're losing everything.

01:58:41.000 You lose everything without losing your life.

01:58:43.000 Well, also, you're wondering, what if this is permanent?

01:58:46.000 What if I am, like, what is that movie, Memento?

01:58:49.000 Remember that movie?

01:58:49.000 Oh, yeah.

01:58:50.000 Where the dude had to write everything down on his arms.

01:58:52.000 Tattoos across his chest.

01:58:53.000 Because he didn't know what the fuck was going on.

01:58:55.000 Yeah.

01:58:56.000 And he had that Polaroid camera that he carried around.

01:58:58.000 Yeah.

01:58:59.000 It's a good movie.

01:58:59.000 Great movie.

01:59:00.000 But it's scary in that, like, you're not there.

01:59:04.000 It's kind of like an Alzheimer's thing.

01:59:06.000 Yeah.

01:59:06.000 But it was different in that, like, I spent, with this hippocampal problem, sclerosis, and this temporal epilepsy, I thought my dog was fake.

01:59:16.000 Jesus.

01:59:17.000 Like I saw somebody planted this animal here and it's not a real thing.

01:59:22.000 Were you paranoid like someone did this?

01:59:24.000 Not at all.

01:59:25.000 Or were you like, why is this fake dog here?

01:59:28.000 There is paranoia.

01:59:30.000 Before a temporal lobe seizure happens, there's so much deja vu that it feels like you're going down a roller coaster.

01:59:37.000 Like you're falling off a building.

01:59:39.000 That kind of pit of your stomach feeling.

01:59:41.000 So you look around and you're like, there's no way that...

01:59:45.000 All of this is not set up.

01:59:47.000 Someone set this up.

01:59:50.000 So there is paranoia there, like, right as a seizure starts, because everything starts looking like I've seen every single detail right here before.

01:59:57.000 Someone's setting me up.

01:59:59.000 And then, boom, seizure starts.

02:00:00.000 Jesus.

02:00:01.000 It's horrible, man.

02:00:02.000 But mine stopped.

02:00:04.000 If I stop taking methylene, then seizures start.

02:00:07.000 Now, I'm not saying anybody's got to go to the same website as me.

02:00:09.000 You can get it on Amazon.

02:00:10.000 It's nice and cheap.

02:00:11.000 Is there anything else that affects it?

02:00:13.000 Like, your diet?

02:00:14.000 Drinking?

02:00:15.000 Is there anything that...

02:00:16.000 Yeah.

02:00:16.000 If I eat a lot of carbs, definitely.

02:00:20.000 So like a low-carb keto diet is what they recommend for Alzheimer's and all kinds of brain disorders.

02:00:26.000 Cancer as well.

02:00:27.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:00:29.000 It's so helpful for your body.

02:00:31.000 So I have a low-carb, super low-carb diet and try to remember that methylene blue every day.

02:00:37.000 And I do red light therapy at home.

02:00:39.000 I have a huge helmet thing that goes down.

02:00:41.000 It's a red light laser system.

02:00:43.000 That's supposed to penetrate your skull and your body like four inches.

02:00:47.000 So I do that about once a day for about 20 minutes.

02:00:51.000 It's badass.

02:00:52.000 It's cool.

02:00:53.000 It looks like one of those hair dryers from an old hair salon.

02:00:56.000 It sounds cool, but I always think how much electricity around your brain is a good thing?

02:01:02.000 Because people are telling you not to have earbuds in anymore.

02:01:05.000 Yeah.

02:01:06.000 Have you had Jack Cruz?

02:01:08.000 Have you heard of him?

02:01:09.000 No.

02:01:09.000 Yeah, I know he is.

02:01:12.000 I've heard so much of what he said.

02:01:14.000 It looks like I've stopped using...

02:01:16.000 Have you ever heard him break down SV40? Horrifying.

02:01:20.000 That is very interesting.

02:01:21.000 Yeah.

02:01:22.000 Very interesting.

02:01:23.000 I would love...

02:01:24.000 Semi-invirus that's connected to some vaccines.

02:01:27.000 I hope someone looks into it.

02:01:28.000 Yeah.

02:01:29.000 I talked to Brett Weinstein about it and he explained it to me.

02:01:32.000 It's crazy.

02:01:33.000 Like, they used monkey kidney cells as the basis for certain vaccines, not knowing that they were going to infect these vaccines with this SV40, and it causes cancer.

02:01:48.000 Awful.

02:01:49.000 Yeah.

02:01:49.000 And it's just like, I'm not educated on medicine.

02:01:53.000 So, like, I don't know, like, is that a common thing?

02:01:55.000 Have they done it with a whole bunch of other stuff, and we're just looking at this one thing?

02:01:59.000 I don't think I'm educated enough on that.

02:02:02.000 To know a lot about it.

02:02:03.000 But hearing Jack describe that was terrifying.

02:02:07.000 Just terrifying.

02:02:08.000 Yeah.

02:02:10.000 And there's so many other things that are coming out just one after the other with this stuff that was going on with the vaccines and all that.

02:02:18.000 If I can even say that word.

02:02:20.000 Well, you can now that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is the head of HHS. Yeah.

02:02:25.000 It's going to be interesting to see what he uncovers.

02:02:29.000 Can we do a...

02:02:29.000 Yeah, take a pee break.

02:02:31.000 We'll be right back.

02:02:32.000 So what are you saying about what you teach to governments?

02:02:36.000 So we teach the government guys, like psyops guys, a lot.

02:02:42.000 And we teach them a system called neurocognitive intelligence.

02:02:47.000 And it's essentially, how do I identify in a population or one person some behavioral patterns?

02:02:53.000 And if I can identify behavioral patterns, then I can predict future behavior.

02:02:56.000 And if I can predict it, I can influence it to another direction.

02:02:59.000 And it's pretty easy if you kind of get these basics down.

02:03:03.000 And the first thing that we teach is this thing called the childhood triangle.

02:03:08.000 And this is, what did I do around the age of eight for safety, friends, and rewards?

02:03:13.000 So what did I do to feel safe?

02:03:16.000 What did I do to make or keep friends?

02:03:18.000 And what did I do to get some kind of reward?

02:03:19.000 For some kids, a reward was like their parents complimenting them.

02:03:23.000 For some kids, a reward was like water or food, depending on your life, how you were brought up.

02:03:28.000 But if you look at adult behavior, when you see these patterns of how adults deal with conflict, you're seeing most of the time how they dealt with conflict as a kid.

02:03:39.000 Because we're carrying all these childhood patterns into adulthood all the time.

02:03:44.000 It is so common.

02:03:46.000 So when we have a habit of dealing with conflict, even in a relationship, not even a work thing, we're spotting these little childhood patterns of safety, friends, and rewards almost all the time.

02:03:58.000 And if I can spot that, that's like step one of developing a pretty deep behavior profile of a human being.

02:04:05.000 Does that make any sense?

02:04:07.000 Yeah, it does.

02:04:07.000 Okay.

02:04:08.000 And then step two is identify social needs.

02:04:11.000 And this is like, what do we need from other people?

02:04:14.000 And there's six of these.

02:04:16.000 And this is like significance, acceptance, approval, intelligence, pity, and strength.

02:04:22.000 And of course, that's not all human needs.

02:04:24.000 But those are the six that you can spot pretty easily and that you can leverage pretty easily when it's persuasion and influence.

02:04:31.000 If I'm training an intelligence guy to go recruit somebody overseas, right?

02:04:36.000 He's got to be able to spot these things because we're spotting what this person needs.

02:04:39.000 So if I'm in a conversation and somebody says, well, I've been a CEO for 20 years.

02:04:44.000 9,000 people at this company.

02:04:45.000 There's a significance statement, right?

02:04:48.000 So we hear these statements in conversation all the time, but we hear them just kind of passively instead of understanding what's being revealed in a conversation.

02:04:56.000 So if I hear a person speak, you'll hear one of those six in almost every conversation.

02:05:01.000 Even if it's a two-minute conversation with an Uber driver, you're going to hear some of these statements come out.

02:05:07.000 And the acceptance would be like, I need to be part of groups.

02:05:11.000 I need to be, I'm a member of things.

02:05:14.000 We, they use a lot of words like, we did this, we did that.

02:05:17.000 And the approval people are like, well, you know, I'm going on, I've got this thing tomorrow, I've got to speak on stage.

02:05:22.000 I never do a good job.

02:05:24.000 And I need you to tell me like, no, Chase, you're great.

02:05:27.000 You're going to be okay.

02:05:28.000 You're going to do a great job.

02:05:29.000 Those are the approval seeking.

02:05:31.000 The intelligence seeking people, we're talking about the universities they went to, the grades that they got.

02:05:37.000 They'll display their intellect in all these ways.

02:05:39.000 And pity.

02:05:40.000 Pity people is pretty obvious.

02:05:42.000 And the way that we deal that, the pity person is essentially asking, do other people realize how bad I've had it or what I've been through?

02:05:49.000 And if I can spot that, then I can start recognizing that and making this person see me as their type of person.

02:05:55.000 Because now I'm not just a person or a friend.

02:05:58.000 They're getting neuropeptides from all of this.

02:06:00.000 So I'm kind of a drug dealer.

02:06:02.000 If I can spot which of these six this person is and these behavioral patterns.

02:06:06.000 So this is like in the first two minutes of an interaction.

02:06:10.000 You can spot these things.

02:06:11.000 And the strength and power person, there's one that's a leader and one that's like, I need to, if I bark loud enough, if I act tough enough, then nobody's going to hurt me.

02:06:22.000 So there's one that's kind of the natural leader and there's one that's like the chihuahua.

02:06:27.000 Right, the defensive.

02:06:28.000 Yeah.

02:06:29.000 And when you say you work with PSYOPs people, what do you mean by that?

02:06:35.000 I've trained many times, U.S. Army PSYOPs.

02:06:40.000 Branch and how to do these.

02:06:43.000 Do they have a name?

02:06:44.000 Is it just called PsyOps Branch?

02:06:46.000 It's just called PsyOps.

02:06:47.000 What's that, Jamie?

02:06:48.000 Did we pull up that video the other day?

02:06:49.000 Which one?

02:06:50.000 That crazy, like, trailer.

02:06:51.000 We ended the podcast with it.

02:06:52.000 It was, like, on the PsyOps YouTube channel.

02:06:54.000 It's their commercial.

02:06:56.000 Oh, right.

02:06:57.000 That video is crazy.

02:06:59.000 There's a couple of them, right?

02:07:00.000 It's cool.

02:07:01.000 They're very cool, but it's crazy.

02:07:03.000 Yeah.

02:07:04.000 And it's like, can we play that again?

02:07:06.000 Yeah, I guess.

02:07:07.000 Do they let us play it or do they give us shit?

02:07:10.000 YouTube has a lot of wacky...

02:07:11.000 They probably want it to go around, I would imagine.

02:07:12.000 Yeah, they would want that to go around.

02:07:13.000 We're trying to help you.

02:07:14.000 Fucking brainwash people.

02:07:18.000 We're on your side.

02:07:19.000 We're America.

02:07:20.000 Do you know who Edward Bernays is?

02:07:22.000 I know the name.

02:07:23.000 He was the guy who invented public brainwashing, large-scale brainwashing.

02:07:29.000 And he was the guy who changed the Department of War to the Department of Defense.

02:07:34.000 He was the guy who invented the...

02:07:36.000 He tortures a freedom campaign to get women to smoke Virginia Slims.

02:07:40.000 He's the guy who died murder in yellow.

02:07:42.000 Ghost of the Machine is what it is.

02:07:43.000 Yeah, that's it.

02:07:44.000 If your opponent is of choleric temper, seek to irritate him.

02:07:47.000 Pretend to be weak that he may grow arrogant.

02:07:50.000 Sun Tzu, the art of war.

02:07:53.000 I kill Bill.

02:07:54.000 This is such a wild video.

02:07:57.000 Have you ever wondered?

02:08:04.000 So good.

02:08:05.000 Whoever made this.

02:08:06.000 Way to go.

02:08:08.000 Unnamed.

02:08:09.000 Of course!

02:08:10.000 Who's pulling the strings?

02:08:13.000 Who is unnamed?

02:08:15.000 Who did this?

02:08:20.000 If you're looking for purpose in your life, born from the ashes, and this video comes on, this could get you to sign up.

02:08:31.000 Of a world at war.

02:08:33.000 Dun, dun, dun.

02:08:36.000 Almost makes me want to sign up now.

02:08:38.000 You'll find us in the shadows.

02:08:40.000 Right?

02:08:41.000 You want to be these guys sneaking in with the guns, right?

02:08:44.000 At the tip of the spear.

02:08:47.000 Marching in an impressive manner.

02:08:49.000 A threat rises in the east.

02:08:51.000 Oh, no.

02:08:53.000 The music helps a lot.

02:08:55.000 Oh, yeah.

02:08:55.000 It really does.

02:08:56.000 Warfare.

02:08:57.000 Look at that.

02:08:58.000 Back to the Mongols.

02:08:59.000 This is crazy.

02:09:00.000 And then they shift from that to modern military.

02:09:04.000 Antifa.

02:09:06.000 Scrolling.

02:09:07.000 All the world's a stage.

02:09:09.000 Anybody wanting to be in control of stuff?

02:09:28.000 Yeah.

02:09:29.000 This would be just so, like, okay.

02:09:32.000 Oh, yeah.

02:09:33.000 I'm gonna go be in charge of everything.

02:09:35.000 Intoxicating.

02:09:36.000 Anything we touch is a weapon.

02:09:40.000 We can deceive.

02:09:45.000 Persuade.

02:09:48.000 Change.

02:09:49.000 I wonder if they can now with Doge.

02:09:52.000 I wonder if USAID. Getting crippled will have an impact on that.

02:09:56.000 I bet it will.

02:09:57.000 Probably.

02:09:57.000 I bet it will.

02:09:58.000 I don't know if that's good or bad.

02:10:00.000 So these, if you know how to speak to a person and you can get them into an identity agreement early on in that conversation, you can do anything.

02:10:12.000 And if you just look at Milgram, all they use, so remember we talked about those six things that influence a person?

02:10:18.000 Look at that Milgram experiment.

02:10:21.000 There's only three.

02:10:23.000 If you look at the lines experiment, a person guessing which line is the longer or which line matches, there's only a few in there and you get absolute compliance from that.

02:10:33.000 So if you can do that and then get somebody to make an identity agreement, like what kind of person are you?

02:10:40.000 So just to put this in practical terms, like I'm training a real estate person.

02:10:46.000 One-on-one.

02:10:48.000 They're like, well, how do I get these clients to behave like this at the end?

02:10:51.000 So you get them to agree at the beginning.

02:10:53.000 And like, so one of these lines would be like, you know, when I first started learning real estate, they told me that I'm only ever going to deal with three types of clients.

02:11:01.000 They're going to be like, the first ones are the doubters.

02:11:03.000 And these are the people that doubt everything because maybe they had a hard childhood or they got screwed over so many times that they doubt just everything, which leads them to never taking action.

02:11:13.000 The next ones are the delayers.

02:11:15.000 These people just push everything off in their life and blah, blah, blah.

02:11:18.000 And then we have the deciders.

02:11:20.000 And these people get all the information that they possibly need and they make a decision.

02:11:25.000 So without me even, if I'm the real estate person, without me even telling you or you agreeing or saying what you are, I've got you to subconsciously or to privately make an agreement in your head that you're probably in category three.

02:11:39.000 And that's within the first like 10 minutes of meeting somebody.

02:11:42.000 I've started to compromise identity in just a few minutes.

02:11:48.000 And if I also know that you have these behavioral patterns and I also know that you seek significance, right before I say that, I might say, you know, Joe, it's...

02:11:58.000 It's obvious you make a tremendous difference around here.

02:12:01.000 I know a lot of these people really look up to you.

02:12:03.000 And I looked up to my mentor who taught me this stuff, real estate, and he said there's only three types of clients.

02:12:09.000 So now I've got your dopamine levels up.

02:12:11.000 I've got your neurotransmitter levels up as a little verbal drug dealer to get you kind of addicted to what's going on here.

02:12:18.000 Then I pull you into this identity trap.

02:12:20.000 That's like 45 seconds.

02:12:22.000 Where I've got you hooked into identity.

02:12:25.000 And it's just a small piece, but I've got you hooked in to begin with.

02:12:28.000 And I've got you to agree that you are a certain type of person.

02:12:30.000 That's the key.

02:12:32.000 Am I the type of person who blank?

02:12:35.000 Did you see a lot of the characteristics of this kind of psyop interaction with the public during the COVID pandemic?

02:12:47.000 In my head, I was going, please don't talk.

02:12:49.000 Please don't bring up COVID. Because it seems like...

02:12:52.000 I'm going to send this to Jamie because this to me was one of the darkest moments of the propaganda of the whole thing was the complete lack of empathy for the unvaccinated and not just lack of empathy but disdain and contempt.

02:13:13.000 But this was in the LA Times.

02:13:18.000 I saved it because I knew we were going to talk today.

02:13:20.000 And I remember seeing this going, God, to put yourself into a place where you could even write this and then put it in the New York Times.

02:13:29.000 It says, Column, mocking anti-vaxxers COVID death is ghoulish, yes, but may be necessary.

02:13:36.000 I remember when I read that.

02:13:38.000 I remember when I saw that, I was thinking, Jesus Christ, this seems like this is so on the nose, George Orwell.

02:13:48.000 Yeah.

02:13:49.000 It's such a mind fight.

02:13:51.000 No one should ever mock someone's death.

02:13:57.000 That's just a citizen that got infected with what now we know was a genetically engineered virus.

02:14:06.000 Yeah.

02:14:07.000 A gain-of-function virus from a weapons lab.

02:14:12.000 No one should mock an innocent person for not trusting the government and not wanting to get vaccinated.

02:14:19.000 That is so crazy to mock someone's death from a disease where they did nothing wrong.

02:14:23.000 If you want to mock the death of a murderer or a rapist or some horrible criminal, that's a different thing, right?

02:14:30.000 You want to mock Osama bin Laden's death.

02:14:33.000 We're talking about a different thing.

02:14:35.000 This is crazy.

02:14:36.000 This is crazy to say this to grandmas and obese people that wind up dying from COVID. This is crazy to put that in the Los Angeles Times.

02:14:47.000 But that was one of those things.

02:14:49.000 It would let everybody else know this is how they think about you if you don't follow along.

02:14:55.000 Yeah.

02:14:55.000 And the tribe will get you.

02:14:57.000 Yeah.

02:14:57.000 Especially that artificially simulated tribe where there's millions of people that are going to be angry with you.

02:15:03.000 People you don't even know.

02:15:05.000 And a lot of them are bots.

02:15:07.000 So the first time I ever went on Dr. Phil, he was a great guy.

02:15:12.000 He came to my wedding.

02:15:15.000 He's a close friend now, but I've never met him before.

02:15:17.000 I'm some ex-military guy.

02:15:20.000 It's like a tobacco-chewing...

02:15:22.000 Dude in the military.

02:15:24.000 And now I'm going on Dr. Phil.

02:15:25.000 And I'm like, man, how do I act?

02:15:29.000 What do I do if I'm nervous?

02:15:31.000 And he's like, man, you have a horrible disease.

02:15:34.000 And this is what Phil said.

02:15:35.000 Chase, you've got a horrible disease.

02:15:38.000 You have a need for love from strangers.

02:15:41.000 Whoa.

02:15:42.000 And that changed me, man.

02:15:43.000 That's some harsh truth.

02:15:51.000 Yeah.

02:15:51.000 And I think that got me over that.

02:15:54.000 But if you look at all of this, everything that was going on, what we talked about manipulating the mammalian brain, it's Cesar Millan.

02:16:03.000 It's every step that Cesar Millan does.

02:16:05.000 Does with dogs.

02:16:06.000 Focus, authority, tribe, and emotion.

02:16:10.000 So if I hack your focus using novelty, if you remember we talked about like something breaks our expectation.

02:16:17.000 I'm not expecting to see mocking and all that kind of stuff.

02:16:20.000 Mocking anti-vaxxers.

02:16:21.000 Focus.

02:16:22.000 Authority is just LA Times.

02:16:24.000 Right.

02:16:24.000 Tribe.

02:16:26.000 People must agree with this because it's published and it's up there.

02:16:29.000 And then the emotion.

02:16:31.000 Mocking the deaths might be ghoulish.

02:16:33.000 So make me feel a little bit of emotion.

02:16:35.000 That helps me feel like a good person maybe.

02:16:37.000 Maybe necessary to be ghoulish.

02:16:40.000 So it's focus, authority, tribe, and emotion.

02:16:42.000 How much of that do you think was engineered?

02:16:44.000 How much of this do you think was planned out, this response?

02:16:47.000 Do you think that someone sat in a room and that people discussed the best ways to get people to comply?

02:16:54.000 Yes.

02:16:55.000 Oh, yes.

02:16:56.000 I would bet my career.

02:16:58.000 Because it was executed following textbook protocol.

02:17:03.000 And there are these, I made a YouTube video on my channel of like how to spot psyops and there's like 20 different little things.

02:17:09.000 You only need one.

02:17:11.000 One thing and you can spot whether or not you're standing in the middle of a psyop.

02:17:15.000 That one thing is if the opinion that's coming out needs people to be silenced, it's a psyop.

02:17:23.000 There are psychological operations in play.

02:17:26.000 Wow.

02:17:26.000 So if you can't question it, if you're supposed to just go along, it's a psyop.

02:17:31.000 Yeah, and if people have to be silenced or publicly shamed because of their information, and they're not telling people the sky is falling.

02:17:42.000 They're not saying crazy shit.

02:17:45.000 They're just saying basic stuff, and they need to be silenced.

02:17:48.000 That is a PSYOP. No matter what, you can go back in any time in history during a PSYOP of our country, and if people needed to be silenced...

02:17:56.000 We're shamed publicly, which is like the tribe, right?

02:17:59.000 That's why public speaking is our number one fear for humans.

02:18:03.000 It's not a fear of speaking.

02:18:04.000 It's a fear of judgment.

02:18:06.000 So I'm just putting the threat of judgment out there.

02:18:09.000 That is a psyop.

02:18:10.000 So if people have to be silenced, and there were Harvard doctors kicked off of the internet or kicked off of Twitter for this stuff.

02:18:21.000 Stanford, MIT. That's all you need.

02:18:24.000 Yeah, the Great Barrington Declaration.

02:18:26.000 People didn't agree with exactly how the government was handling everything, and they were silenced.

02:18:32.000 And they were treated like fringe quacks instead of respected physicians.

02:18:39.000 And it was openly discussed in emails.

02:18:42.000 That's what's really crazy.

02:18:44.000 They talked about the strategy of silencing these people.

02:18:48.000 And then you had the actual government itself contacting Twitter, trying to get people removed.

02:18:53.000 Which is wild.

02:18:56.000 Didn't you have Mark Zuckerberg on?

02:18:59.000 Yeah, he talked about Facebook doing it, about the FBI contacting them.

02:19:03.000 It's crazy to believe, but my hope is that people have learned from this past four years and that this is an eye-opener.

02:19:13.000 Yeah, and one thing I could say, like, if you want to know whether or not you have been lied to...

02:19:21.000 If you can't see anything wrong with the side you agree with and you can't see anything right with the side that you disagree with, you have been manipulated.

02:19:30.000 Or you're very rigid in the way you look at things, right?

02:19:35.000 You're assuming someone's objective, right?

02:19:37.000 Because some people are just not objective.

02:19:39.000 Right, but that lack of objectivity can come from manipulation a lot.

02:19:45.000 So I'm deleting your objectivity through psyops.

02:19:49.000 That's what I want to do.

02:19:49.000 That's what psyops typically aim to do.

02:19:52.000 With some people, again, as you're talking about with suggestibility, some people are more vulnerable to that sort of groupthink.

02:20:00.000 Yeah.

02:20:00.000 Way more.

02:20:01.000 Way more.

02:20:02.000 Yeah.

02:20:02.000 And that's like if you think of...

02:20:05.000 Back to that childhood triangle again, friends, safety, and rewards.

02:20:08.000 What did I do to get friends?

02:20:09.000 I listened to them and I agreed with them.

02:20:11.000 What did I do to feel safe?

02:20:12.000 Because my dad was a dickhead or an alcoholic or something.

02:20:15.000 I just went along with everything they said.

02:20:17.000 I'm just going to go along with it.

02:20:19.000 And I'm not saying that's the recipe for suggestibility, but that may be the reason someone grows up that way.

02:20:25.000 That's just how I lived as a child.

02:20:28.000 Those were my little scripts to survive as a kid, as an innocent little kid.

02:20:33.000 There's so many PSYOPs that are happening all the time.

02:20:37.000 Some of them, when you say PSYOPs, a really, really good infomercial is a PSYOP. So what we're talking about is a large scale.

02:20:45.000 Right.

02:20:46.000 One of the things that I thought was fascinating about the PSYOP of the whole pandemic was that there were people that weren't even benefiting from being a part of it that were working for the PSYOP. And you saw people that were making videos mocking people that were unvaccinated.

02:21:08.000 One of my favorite was Keith Olbermann.

02:21:10.000 You ever see the Keith Olbermann one?

02:21:11.000 No.

02:21:13.000 That guy was a great sportscaster.

02:21:15.000 I don't know what the fuck happened to him, but he has this one video where he gets vaccinated and shows you his card and tells you that everybody who's not getting the vaccine are scared.

02:21:27.000 Vaccine hesitancy.

02:21:28.000 You're scared!

02:21:29.000 And he's like yelling, you're scared!

02:21:31.000 And he's like on his balcony in Manhattan.

02:21:33.000 It's like so out of touch because he obviously lives in this really nice place, beautiful view behind him.

02:21:39.000 Talking about how these people are scared because they're not getting the vaccine.

02:21:42.000 Like, scared of what?

02:21:43.000 Like, what are you scared of?

02:21:44.000 Is there something to be scared of?

02:21:46.000 Yeah.

02:21:46.000 You're scared of side effects from a fucking new medicine.

02:21:50.000 Experimental.

02:21:50.000 There's been so many times in the past where we've seen they're launching new medicine and there's a host of side effects that the fucking pharmaceutical drug companies probably knew about and didn't tell everybody.

02:22:00.000 Like, but you're scared.

02:22:02.000 You're scared.

02:22:03.000 See if you can find it.

02:22:03.000 It's wonderful because it's so kooky.

02:22:06.000 You just watch him yelling and screaming.

02:22:08.000 It's like this is so ineffective.

02:22:11.000 And this, dude, this is how everything is.

02:22:15.000 Oh, yeah, they drugged everybody with LSD. Oh, yeah, we gave Indians smallpox.

02:22:19.000 Fill in the blank.

02:22:20.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, we did that for this year and this decade and this decade and this decade and it continued on, but not now.

02:22:26.000 Not now.

02:22:27.000 We don't do that anymore.

02:22:28.000 Come on, Chase.

02:22:28.000 Why do we do that now?

02:22:30.000 This is America, Joe.

02:22:30.000 This is not how we operate today.

02:22:33.000 We are moral.

02:22:34.000 We are the leaders of the free world.

02:22:35.000 Have you found it?

02:22:38.000 Yeah, this is it.

02:22:39.000 Give me some volume.

02:22:41.000 So he's getting his shot.

02:22:43.000 Put his stupid mask on.

02:23:13.000 Bullshit!

02:23:14.000 They're afraid.

02:23:16.000 They're afraid to get vaccinated.

02:23:19.000 Correct.

02:23:20.000 Stop feeding their egos about what they're doing.

02:23:23.000 Stop legitimizing it.

02:23:24.000 Vaccine hesitant, they're afraid.

02:23:27.000 Vaccine skeptics, they're afraid.

02:23:30.000 Anti-vax, they're afraid.

02:23:32.000 They're protesting mandates in passports.

02:23:35.000 They're afraid.

02:23:36.000 The little bit of spittle in his upper lip makes it extra good.

02:23:40.000 They're waiting for more information.

02:23:41.000 Afraid!

02:23:42.000 They're making a medical decision to be afraid!

02:23:46.000 The snowflakes are afraid!

02:23:49.000 Okay, you can stop.

02:23:50.000 We get it.

02:23:51.000 Isn't it wonderful?

02:23:54.000 Wow.

02:23:57.000 But he's doing this for social credit.

02:23:59.000 He's doing this to virtue signal.

02:24:00.000 He's doing this to show everybody.

02:24:01.000 He's holding up his card.

02:24:03.000 I'm compliant.

02:24:04.000 You know?

02:24:05.000 And he thinks it's going to benefit him somewhere.

02:24:09.000 There's a payoff.

02:24:10.000 Socially, he feels like he is on the side of the intelligent people who trust the science.

02:24:16.000 Yeah.

02:24:17.000 I wonder if someone asked him to do the video.

02:24:19.000 I doubt it.

02:24:21.000 Maybe.

02:24:22.000 Maybe.

02:24:22.000 Possibly.

02:24:23.000 I know that they definitely did encourage people to post things on social media.

02:24:28.000 Yeah.

02:24:28.000 So it was encouraged enough to the point where you got a little reward emotionally.

02:24:33.000 Good job, Keith.

02:24:34.000 But they're leveraging that authority and the tribe.

02:24:38.000 Yeah.

02:24:39.000 Nobody celebrity is going to talk like that on TV unless lots of people agree.

02:24:44.000 He's got to have a lot of backing.

02:24:45.000 Plenty of people agree with him.

02:24:47.000 But the thing about it is like...

02:24:49.000 Afraid of what?

02:24:50.000 Like, you're not saying what they're afraid of.

02:24:52.000 They're afraid of what everyone's experiencing right now, Keith.

02:24:56.000 Yeah.

02:24:56.000 Massive side effects.

02:24:58.000 Yeah.

02:24:58.000 Look at the amount of people that have myocarditis.

02:25:00.000 Look at the rises and all these autoimmune disorders and all these different things that people, neurological conditions that people are dealing with that are vaccine injured.

02:25:09.000 I've got a friend of mine that was kicked out of the military for not getting it.

02:25:14.000 It broke my heart.

02:25:15.000 He was in for 19 years.

02:25:17.000 He was about to retire and get a pension and all that kind of stuff.

02:25:19.000 Now, the Trump administration apparently is going to bring those people back if they want to come back with back pay.

02:25:24.000 Yes.

02:25:24.000 Is that happening to him?

02:25:25.000 Yes.

02:25:25.000 That's great.

02:25:26.000 He's going back in.

02:25:27.000 And he was a commander.

02:25:28.000 That's fucking great.

02:25:29.000 Well, good for him, first of all, for sticking to his guns.

02:25:32.000 And if he knows anybody that's been injured or died from it, I bet he probably feels pretty good about his decision.

02:25:37.000 And I tell you what, man.

02:25:38.000 At 19 years, I probably would have done it.

02:25:42.000 I think I would have done it.

02:25:43.000 Because that's like, that's pay for the rest of your life and your kids are covered with medical insurance.

02:25:49.000 But by then, you know, people had already known that there were side effects.

02:25:53.000 You know, I've talked about it before, but my situation was, I was not hesitant at all initially.

02:25:59.000 The UFC had allocated a bunch of the vaccines for their employees, and we were doing shows during the pandemic.

02:26:07.000 And we were doing them in Vegas, so they were at this place called the Apex Center, which is a smaller arena that the UFC had fights in during the pandemic.

02:26:14.000 Everybody had to be tested, you have to be tested before you get there, you have to be tested at home before you fly, the whole deal.

02:26:19.000 You get there, and then once you get there...

02:26:21.000 They told me that they had vaccines for all the employees.

02:26:25.000 So I called the doctor and I said, hey, can I do it while I'm here?

02:26:30.000 I was going to do it the day of the fight.

02:26:31.000 I thought it was like the flu shot, like whatever.

02:26:35.000 I had no fear of vaccines at all before this point.

02:26:38.000 I had no – I'd never read any books about vaccines.

02:26:41.000 I thought anybody who was anti-vaxxer was a kook.

02:26:44.000 Vaccines are the reason why we don't have polio and smallpox and all these different things, right?

02:26:50.000 They tell me that I would have to come back on Monday.

02:26:52.000 I can't come back on Monday or I'd have to go to the clinic on Monday.

02:26:55.000 They have to do it there.

02:26:56.000 They can't do it at the arena.

02:26:57.000 I say, I can't, but I'll be back in two weeks for the next fights.

02:27:01.000 I'll do it then.

02:27:02.000 In between the time I was supposed to be there and come back, it gets pulled from the market.

02:27:07.000 So they had the Johnson& Johnson.

02:27:09.000 It gets pulled for blood clots.

02:27:10.000 Then two people I knew got strokes.

02:27:13.000 Oh, God.

02:27:13.000 And I was like, what the fuck is going on?

02:27:15.000 Because, like, so many people were getting vaccinated.

02:27:18.000 And, you know, if you have millions of people getting vaccinated, you're going to have some serious side effects occasionally.

02:27:24.000 And I was around quite a few.

02:27:27.000 And I started getting really nervous.

02:27:29.000 And then when it came back, I'm like, do I have to take this thing?

02:27:32.000 Because then they had pulled the Johnson& Johnson and they were saying, well, you still get the Pfizer or the Moderna.

02:27:36.000 I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

02:27:38.000 Like, what's going on here?

02:27:39.000 What's going on?

02:27:40.000 And then a bunch of people that I knew had it and got over it really quick.

02:27:44.000 They got COVID. And then my family got it.

02:27:46.000 And when my family got it, I was like, let me see if I can get it.

02:27:49.000 Because, like, I didn't do anything different.

02:27:52.000 I hugged my kids.

02:27:53.000 I slept with my wife.

02:27:54.000 Like, we hung out together.

02:27:55.000 They were like, you're going to get sick.

02:27:57.000 Everybody was sick in the house but me.

02:27:58.000 And I was like, hmm.

02:28:01.000 Two days when I was working out, I felt kind of weak.

02:28:04.000 Maybe that's because of your horse paste.

02:28:06.000 Could be.

02:28:07.000 I wasn't even taking horse paste at the time.

02:28:09.000 I was taking nothing.

02:28:10.000 I was just vitamins.

02:28:11.000 I was constantly doing vitamins and nutrients.

02:28:13.000 I was doing IV vitamins at the time once a week with NAD. I'm healthy.

02:28:18.000 I work out a lot.

02:28:19.000 But it was this narrative that if you are around it, you're definitely going to get it.

02:28:24.000 And I was like, okay, well that's not true.

02:28:26.000 Because I was fucking around it.

02:28:29.000 And this was back then when everybody had it in my family.

02:28:31.000 There was no vaccine.

02:28:33.000 So I was like, okay, let me see what happens.

02:28:36.000 And I didn't get it.

02:28:37.000 And I was like, they all got over it.

02:28:39.000 And then a bunch of my friends got it.

02:28:41.000 Jamie got it.

02:28:42.000 Everybody got over it.

02:28:42.000 And I was like, this is not what everyone's saying.

02:28:44.000 Everyone's saying it's a death sentence.

02:28:46.000 Like, this is fucking weird.

02:28:48.000 This whole thing is weird.

02:28:49.000 And then I eventually got sick because I was touring.

02:28:54.000 And I was doing arenas and I was like traveling around and it wasn't that bad.

02:28:58.000 It was like one day I felt real sick.

02:29:01.000 It's like a cold.

02:29:02.000 And then two days later I made that video and CNN turned my face green.

02:29:06.000 I saw that editing.

02:29:07.000 It was nuts.

02:29:08.000 So that to me was fascinating.

02:29:10.000 To be the subject of a PSYOP was fascinating.

02:29:14.000 The day that I saw – I was on Twitter or something and I saw someone did a side-by-side original versus – Yeah.

02:29:22.000 When you were, like, greened.

02:29:25.000 Listen, man, if I was really sick, I would tell everybody, hey, man, this is for real.

02:29:28.000 I'm really fucking sick.

02:29:30.000 Like, this is really scary because I'm very healthy.

02:29:33.000 I very rarely get sick, and I'm fucking real sick.

02:29:36.000 Like, do your best.

02:29:37.000 Get vaccinated.

02:29:38.000 Do whatever you got to do.

02:29:39.000 But I was like, this is weird.

02:29:40.000 Because this is not what everybody said it was going to be.

02:29:43.000 This is not this death sentence.

02:29:45.000 Three days later, six days later, I'm working out with 100% energy.

02:29:49.000 I had no problems at all.

02:29:50.000 I did 10 rounds on the bag six days later just to see.

02:29:53.000 I was like, let's see.

02:29:54.000 I feel great.

02:29:55.000 Like, let's see how I feel like endurance-wise.

02:29:57.000 It was...

02:29:58.000 100%.

02:29:59.000 I felt totally normal six days later.

02:30:01.000 It's like, this is what we shut the fucking world down for?

02:30:03.000 And didn't tell anybody to get healthier?

02:30:06.000 Didn't tell anybody about vitamin D? I was very fortunate that I had a very good doctor who is very into nutrition, very into supplementation, and he was prescribing me quercetin and zinc, and you want to be really up on all your vitamin C and D and D3 and make sure that you take it with K2 and magnesium.

02:30:25.000 Like, he was on the ball.

02:30:26.000 So I was on the ball.

02:30:27.000 And I was like, okay, why don't we tell people this?

02:30:30.000 And how come everyone's mad at me?

02:30:32.000 Why are you mad at me for getting healthy?

02:30:34.000 This is crazy.

02:30:35.000 It was fascinating to watch that PSYOP. That was the weirdest thing, to watch it turned on me.

02:30:42.000 Yeah, you became the medium that they used for the PSYOP. And I can't imagine how that feels.

02:30:50.000 It was weird.

02:30:51.000 It was weird, but I was also getting a lot of support, too.

02:30:54.000 It wasn't all people mad at me.

02:30:57.000 There was a lot of people mad at me, but I just stayed off social media.

02:31:00.000 But there was also a lot of people that were supporting me.

02:31:03.000 Like, hey, what about, why is he healthy?

02:31:05.000 Like, why is he okay?

02:31:06.000 How come, you know, this 54-year-old guy didn't just drop dead like you said everybody was going to?

02:31:12.000 Yeah.

02:31:12.000 Why is he making a video three days later?

02:31:14.000 It feels great.

02:31:16.000 What the fuck's going on?

02:31:19.000 I will tell you, man.

02:31:20.000 I have a YouTube video on my channel that is anti-psyops, like how to spot psyops in action, and I copied that video that they made.

02:31:29.000 I made a very, very similar intro.

02:31:32.000 But the moment that I saw one doctor on YouTube had to not use, this was at the very beginning, he had to not use that word.

02:31:42.000 He couldn't say certain words on YouTube, like vaccine and all this stuff.

02:31:46.000 I was like, 100%, this is...

02:31:50.000 Well, all the algorithms were searching for it.

02:31:52.000 So people would spell Vax like V and then they would use like a dash and then an X. They would do something to try to skirt around the algorithm.

02:32:02.000 Yeah.

02:32:03.000 And that's the one thing.

02:32:06.000 Is someone credible being suppressed?

02:32:09.000 Is a credible person being suppressed?

02:32:11.000 And then when you see it tenfold, a hundred people, all of these people that are being suppressed, if your idea is good...

02:32:18.000 Nobody has to be quiet.

02:32:20.000 It's going to catch on its own.

02:32:22.000 Also, the counter to that is if your idea is bad, you can't just force it through.

02:32:28.000 People are going to figure it out eventually.

02:32:29.000 They're going to realize eventually if you keep calling this stuff horse-paced.

02:32:33.000 Veterinary medicine.

02:32:35.000 And people are going to find out, oh, wait a minute.

02:32:36.000 It actually won the Nobel Prize, the inventor of it, for humans, for use in humans.

02:32:41.000 Actually, it's on the World Health Organization list of essential medicines.

02:32:45.000 Actually, it's been prescribed billions, not millions, billions of times.

02:32:50.000 Like, what the fuck is going on where you're saying this is horse-paced?

02:32:53.000 50 plus?

02:32:54.000 100 years.

02:32:55.000 It's been around quite a long time, and it has an incredible safety profile, which was the wildest thing about them going all in and calling it horse pace.

02:33:04.000 Because, like, you are doing this at the expense of your credibility for people who just want short-term profits, and you're killing your business.

02:33:12.000 Your business is people want to believe you when you're talking about the news, and now they don't.

02:33:19.000 Yeah.

02:33:20.000 They don't over something really stupid where you could have just ignored me.

02:33:24.000 You didn't have to do that.

02:33:25.000 You could have just ignored me.

02:33:27.000 It probably would have had very little effect.

02:33:29.000 My video probably would have had very little effect.

02:33:31.000 People probably wouldn't have believed me.

02:33:33.000 Oh, you bet he feels like shit and he's lying.

02:33:34.000 That would have been fine.

02:33:35.000 But instead, they went all in and too many people were paying attention to it.

02:33:39.000 And by that time, too many people had already had COVID and gotten over it and going, what the fuck is going on?

02:33:44.000 And then there was the whole thing where they were saying you had to get vaccinated even if you had suffered from COVID and recovered where you had natural immunity that was proven to be seven times stronger.

02:33:54.000 It was a pure PSYOP.

02:33:56.000 Yeah.

02:33:57.000 Yeah.

02:33:58.000 And the big thing there was when I can make fun of Joe Rogan and like I can shame Joe Rogan, if I could do that to you, one of the more popular guys in the country, especially when it comes to media, then I can just make that a trickle down compliance effect.

02:34:15.000 Yeah.

02:34:16.000 I can get millions of people to comply because if they're going to do that to Rogan, that might happen to me.

02:34:22.000 I'm sure it worked.

02:34:23.000 I'm sure a lot of people complied after they saw that.

02:34:26.000 They saw those attacks.

02:34:27.000 I met a lot of people that would accuse me of spreading misinformation.

02:34:31.000 I'm like, what did I say?

02:34:32.000 Tell me what I said.

02:34:33.000 What was misinformation?

02:34:34.000 What was wrong?

02:34:35.000 They can't even tell you.

02:34:37.000 They were just saying something because you were there.

02:34:40.000 They felt like they had to say that.

02:34:42.000 It was a fascinating time.

02:34:45.000 And what's interesting is coming out of that now, the country coming out of that now, I think people are way more skeptical.

02:34:54.000 Way more skeptical of believing the media and way more skeptical of believing the government.

02:34:59.000 Way more skeptical.

02:35:01.000 I think that was a huge mistake for short-term profits.

02:35:05.000 I think they still would have made a ton of money.

02:35:06.000 A lot of people were scared.

02:35:07.000 They would have taken it anyway.

02:35:08.000 They lied about all the fucking studies anyway.

02:35:10.000 They were doing well.

02:35:13.000 But they sacrificed their ability to do this in the future.

02:35:17.000 Yeah.

02:35:18.000 They gave their hand.

02:35:20.000 I don't know who said this quote, man, but I think it's the best quote about society.

02:35:25.000 It's like a society that grows is when...

02:35:28.000 Men, and it's an old quote, but men plant trees whose shade they will never enjoy.

02:35:35.000 Thinking about the future and not this one little spike in profit.

02:35:39.000 And that's when a society flourishes and when we're doing that kind of stuff.

02:35:43.000 Well, I think it's essentially a symptom of a system that's been captured, right?

02:35:49.000 The media works for them because they support the media financially, you know?

02:35:55.000 And Callie Means has talked about this, that the reason why they sponsor so many television shows is not that they want to sell more drugs.

02:36:07.000 It's to keep those shows from criticizing them.

02:36:11.000 It's terrifying.

02:36:12.000 It is terrifying.

02:36:13.000 It's terrifying that it's effective and it works and that we're one of only two countries on earth that allows them to advertise pharmaceutical drugs.

02:36:22.000 Yeah.

02:36:22.000 Because we know that commercials are...

02:36:25.000 Psyops.

02:36:26.000 I mean, when you see that lady and she's dancing with her daughter in the field and they're spinning around in circles and now she's happy and everything's great, but you're fucking depressed and you're at home.

02:36:36.000 You're like, oh, I want the music to play.

02:36:38.000 I want to be dancing in the field.

02:36:40.000 I want to be at the cookout with all the fellas having a good old time.

02:36:43.000 I can't do that with my psoriasis.

02:36:45.000 Yeah, I can't do that with whatever I'm on.

02:36:47.000 Whatever's wrong with me.

02:36:48.000 Give me what you got and get me into that commercial.

02:36:51.000 Yeah.

02:36:52.000 And it's effective.

02:36:53.000 It's very effective.

02:36:54.000 They've been doing this for a long time and they've got a playbook written by Edward Bernays, of all people, wrote this book.

02:37:01.000 And the book's called Crystallizing Public Opinion.

02:37:04.000 And you can see it in every one of these operations.

02:37:07.000 And it's a short book.

02:37:08.000 You can read it in like two hours.

02:37:11.000 Every one of these things follows that playbook of PSYOPs.

02:37:15.000 Which makes sense why he would change the name of the Department of War to the Department of Defense.

02:37:18.000 Yeah.

02:37:19.000 Like it's way more palatable.

02:37:21.000 Yeah.

02:37:21.000 He's also the reason that Bacon became part of American Breakfast.

02:37:25.000 Well, kudos to him for that.

02:37:27.000 Yeah.

02:37:27.000 Because that was a good move.

02:37:28.000 Yeah.

02:37:29.000 Bacon's pretty solid.

02:37:30.000 Funny, he was Sigmund Freud's nephew.

02:37:33.000 Whoa.

02:37:34.000 Yeah.

02:37:35.000 What if they did coke together?

02:37:40.000 The father of propaganda is Sigmund Freud's relative, nephew.

02:37:46.000 That's crazy.

02:37:47.000 Sigmund Freud helped me raise this guy.

02:37:48.000 So did you read his book?

02:37:50.000 Oh, yeah.

02:37:51.000 What does it say in there?

02:37:52.000 So essentially, it's capturing mass public attention and making the desired outcome about identity, belonging, and being part of a tribe.

02:38:03.000 So to give you an example, Virginia Slims hired him to say, like, hey, it's just men that are smoking our cigarettes.

02:38:12.000 And he's like, yeah, well, women need to smoke.

02:38:14.000 You want women to smoke?

02:38:15.000 I'm like, yeah, let's do it.

02:38:16.000 So he launches this thing called Torches of Freedom.

02:38:19.000 Are you familiar with this?

02:38:20.000 Yeah, you were telling me about it.

02:38:21.000 Oh, my God.

02:38:23.000 Just bring a photo of this if you can because I'm getting excited about this.

02:38:29.000 Just these people were compromised in such a crazy way.

02:38:34.000 So he says women are told not to smoke.

02:38:37.000 So he goes against.

02:38:39.000 All of this stuff.

02:38:40.000 At the beginning, women are told not to smoke.

02:38:42.000 Everybody tells you you can't smoke in public.

02:38:44.000 This is about women's rights.

02:38:46.000 It has nothing to do with cigarettes.

02:38:48.000 So, he organized this massive women's right movement.

02:38:53.000 An ancient prejudice has been removed.

02:38:55.000 Isn't it?

02:38:56.000 Just...

02:38:57.000 Look at the fucking chain.

02:39:00.000 American intelligence.

02:39:03.000 Look at that.

02:39:04.000 The chain says American intelligence around the wrist.

02:39:07.000 Lucky Strike cigarettes.

02:39:10.000 That's so weird.

02:39:11.000 I'm sorry.

02:39:11.000 Yeah, it wasn't just Virginia Sloan's.

02:39:13.000 It was big tobacco.

02:39:14.000 Wow.

02:39:15.000 There's a picture of the Torches of Freedom.

02:39:17.000 Clicking that one with a lady?

02:39:18.000 Right there by your cursor?

02:39:21.000 Keep a slender figure.

02:39:22.000 That one.

02:39:22.000 Believe in yourself.

02:39:24.000 That's an updated meme.

02:39:25.000 I don't know what that is.

02:39:26.000 Oh, is it?

02:39:26.000 Is it fake?

02:39:27.000 It seems like it.

02:39:28.000 The font's totally different.

02:39:29.000 Meme font.

02:39:30.000 Don't test one brand alone.

02:39:32.000 Compare them all.

02:39:34.000 Yeah.

02:39:35.000 They can't advertise cigarettes anymore, right?

02:39:38.000 Isn't that the rule?

02:39:40.000 Not on TV. I don't know about magazines.

02:39:41.000 Can they do it in magazines?

02:39:43.000 Remember the Marlboro Man?

02:39:44.000 Didn't he die of cancer?

02:39:45.000 I don't know about his magazines anymore.

02:39:46.000 Remember the Marlboro Man?

02:39:47.000 Yeah.

02:39:47.000 Fucking everybody wanted to be that dude.

02:39:49.000 Yeah.

02:39:49.000 He's like the original John Dutton.

02:39:51.000 Denim jacket.

02:39:52.000 Yeah.

02:39:52.000 Out there on the range, looking all rugged.

02:39:54.000 I wish I was him.

02:39:55.000 You know?

02:39:57.000 Cigarette ads are restricted in magazines in the United States, but are still present in some magazines.

02:40:02.000 So like...

02:40:03.000 Federal law limits tobacco advertising in magazines and on billboards.

02:40:07.000 However, tobacco companies can advertise in magazines that have at least 85% adult readers.

02:40:11.000 Oh, so porn.

02:40:15.000 So it's like Playboy, right?

02:40:17.000 It's mostly adults.

02:40:18.000 Mostly adults.

02:40:20.000 U.S. Cigarette...

02:40:21.000 Sorry, can we read that?

02:40:22.000 Yeah, what does it say?

02:40:25.000 U.S. Cigarette Giant starts advertising again in magazines.

02:40:28.000 Millions of young readers.

02:40:30.000 Oh.

02:40:31.000 2013. Oh, that's Britain.

02:40:34.000 Yeah.

02:40:35.000 So, I mean, do you think advertising should be legal?

02:40:38.000 It's a weird thing, right?

02:40:40.000 I think about sometimes when I read my Spotify ads, which is why I don't...

02:40:44.000 I say no to a lot of things that want to advertise.

02:40:47.000 Like, some things come across and we go, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, what is that?

02:40:50.000 What is that?

02:40:51.000 Is that real?

02:40:51.000 Is that legit?

02:40:52.000 Is this funky?

02:40:53.000 Is that a good product?

02:40:54.000 Is this anything I would ever...

02:40:56.000 This sounds like bullshit, you know?

02:40:58.000 So I... Want to make sure, is this something that I would use?

02:41:01.000 Is this something legitimate?

02:41:03.000 Because advertising is kind of creepy.

02:41:07.000 It is.

02:41:08.000 But it's not if it's cool.

02:41:10.000 Like, if you're doing an ad for a Corvette ZR1, I could do an ad for a ZR1. I'll tell you, that fucking thing's the shit.

02:41:16.000 It's amazing.

02:41:17.000 Like, you should know that if you get in one of those things and drive, it will be fucking incredible.

02:41:22.000 That's real.

02:41:23.000 Like, it's a solid product.

02:41:24.000 It's a real thing.

02:41:26.000 Like, I could feel good about that ad.

02:41:29.000 Because I know that's a real awesome piece of engineering and technology that they've created.

02:41:34.000 But if it's not, like if you're trying to convince people some shady shit, it's tricky.

02:41:42.000 And that's the thing.

02:41:43.000 Everybody wants to regulate or deregulate things.

02:41:47.000 Let's make this dye illegal.

02:41:50.000 But you can't regulate health any more than you can regulate morality.

02:41:55.000 It's like when they made alcohol illegal.

02:41:57.000 Everybody just went into it.

02:41:59.000 Right.

02:41:59.000 So instead of making – you have to inform the public instead of restrict them.

02:42:03.000 Like you're not going to regulate morality and good decisions and it just won't happen.

02:42:08.000 You have to get – like we have to stand on freedom and then educate.

02:42:11.000 Like maybe there needs to be a cigarette warning label on like whatever is put in these dye and stuff like – which I'm not educated on.

02:42:17.000 All this like chemicals and stuff in the foods may need a label instead of a regulation.

02:42:22.000 Right.

02:42:23.000 So maybe that's the ticket.

02:42:25.000 I don't think there's a right answer.

02:42:27.000 It's like so many of these issues.

02:42:29.000 There's no right answer about everything.

02:42:31.000 I mean, did the ads on cigarettes where they show, like, may cause cancer, may cause low birth, did that even put a dent in the amount of people that smoke cigarettes?

02:42:39.000 No, but it may have, but it made a better informed public.

02:42:44.000 Like, at least you knew it.

02:42:45.000 Yeah.

02:42:46.000 You're doing, you're willingly now taking the poison.

02:42:48.000 Right.

02:42:49.000 Right.

02:42:50.000 And you should be able to, just like you should be able to eat junk food.

02:42:53.000 Like when people talk about getting rid of Doritos or making them change the thing, I'm like, hey, hold up.

02:42:59.000 Doritos as they are are fucking amazing.

02:43:02.000 Just don't eat them every day, stupid.

02:43:04.000 You should eat them knowing this is just mouth pleasure.

02:43:08.000 I'm going to just have some fucking delicious Cool Ranch Doritos.

02:43:12.000 They're not good for you.

02:43:13.000 They're not pretending to be good for you.

02:43:14.000 You're not supposed to eat them for nutrition, dumbass.

02:43:16.000 This is like mouth recreation.

02:43:19.000 That's what that is.

02:43:20.000 It's not really food.

02:43:21.000 Are you going to feel like shit afterwards?

02:43:23.000 Yeah, if you eat the whole bag.

02:43:24.000 Are you going to get sick?

02:43:25.000 Well, if you eat them every day, all day, you'll get sick.

02:43:28.000 Don't do that.

02:43:29.000 Have them every now and then.

02:43:30.000 You're watching a movie?

02:43:32.000 Open up a bag of Doritos.

02:43:33.000 What's the big fucking deal?

02:43:34.000 Not a big deal.

02:43:35.000 The only thing that's going to happen if you make it illegal is they'll just slap a label on it that says for external use only.

02:43:41.000 Bathing in Doritos.

02:43:43.000 But it's just one of those things.

02:43:44.000 I don't think you should tell people they can't have things that aren't healthy for them.

02:43:48.000 Because there's a lot of things like cookies and cake and shit.

02:43:51.000 It's just not fucking healthy for you.

02:43:53.000 Are you going to kill the baking industry?

02:43:55.000 That's dumb.

02:43:56.000 That doesn't make any sense to me.

02:43:58.000 You should just know what you're doing.

02:44:02.000 Unfortunately, a lot of people don't.

02:44:03.000 A lot of people aren't very educated as far as food.

02:44:05.000 Give your throat a vacation.

02:44:09.000 Smoke a fresh cigarette.

02:44:12.000 Unfiltered camels.

02:44:13.000 They're the worst.

02:44:16.000 Oh my gosh.

02:44:17.000 Did you see the second paragraph of that?

02:44:19.000 No, what did it say?

02:44:20.000 There's a peppery stuff in other tobaccos that stays in your throat.

02:44:24.000 Oh!

02:44:25.000 It's the peppery dust left in tobacco by inefficient cleaning methods that makes you cough.

02:44:30.000 They're actually advertising the cellophane on the pack to keep it more fresh.

02:44:35.000 Of course it is, Jamie!

02:44:37.000 The humidor pack.

02:44:38.000 There's no stale, crumbly, parched tobaccos.

02:44:40.000 The fine, Turkish, and mild domestic tobaccos of which camels are blended.

02:44:45.000 Come to you in prime, factory-fresh condition, thanks to the humidor pack.

02:44:51.000 Read that last sentence.

02:44:52.000 The last one.

02:44:53.000 Give your throat a vacation.

02:44:55.000 Switch to camels for just one day.

02:44:57.000 Then leave them, if you can.

02:44:59.000 Sounds like Frito-Lays.

02:45:00.000 Yeah, you can't eat just one.

02:45:02.000 Popsy stuff, all that stuff.

02:45:04.000 Is it Pringles?

02:45:05.000 I mean, that's both of them.

02:45:07.000 A lot of them, you bet you can't eat just one.

02:45:09.000 Yeah, they're good.

02:45:10.000 They're good.

02:45:11.000 Just don't eat them every day, stupid.

02:45:13.000 But if they take fucking potato chips off their...

02:45:15.000 If they take ruffles off the shelf, I'm gonna be pissed, RFK. Alright?

02:45:20.000 Leave all that garbage up there.

02:45:22.000 Leave Coca-Cola up there.

02:45:23.000 Let them have it!

02:45:24.000 You can't regulate good decisions.

02:45:26.000 No.

02:45:26.000 But you should just know what you're doing.

02:45:28.000 But if you know what you're doing, you take care of yourself, it's not bad to have cake every now and then.

02:45:33.000 A little bit of cake.

02:45:34.000 I completely agree.

02:45:36.000 But there's a lot of value in what you're teaching and what you're explaining to people.

02:45:42.000 And I think if more people understand How psychological manipulation is used, they'll be less vulnerable to it.

02:45:51.000 And I think one of the things that – the first things that we teach people is called the firewall illusion.

02:45:57.000 So like if you went to Best Buy today and like picked up a laptop and I was like, Joe, you should get the antiviral or whatever software there.

02:46:05.000 And he's like, no, I don't believe in viruses.

02:46:06.000 I'm immune to it.

02:46:10.000 That is – that's a problem.

02:46:15.000 Persuaded by these things?

02:46:16.000 If you believe that social media can't persuade me?

02:46:19.000 Doesn't work on me, bro.

02:46:20.000 You are the suggestible person.

02:46:22.000 Your brain versus a $1 trillion computer, you're going to lose.

02:46:27.000 I'm going to lose.

02:46:28.000 And I can spot all of the things and I'm still going to lose.

02:46:31.000 What do you think is the biggest impact in terms of social media on the way people think?

02:46:38.000 Rephrase that.

02:46:39.000 Social media, obviously, is having some sort of psychological manipulation on people.

02:46:44.000 What do you think the biggest impact it's having on people, other than the theft of your time?

02:46:49.000 Tribal confusion.

02:46:51.000 So I get to automatically...

02:46:53.000 I don't have to hack your brain.

02:46:54.000 I don't have to convince you of anything.

02:46:56.000 All I have to do is tell you a whole shitload of people believe this one thing.

02:47:01.000 And all that is, it may not get you to keel over right away, but it gets you to say, wow, that's...

02:47:06.000 It's starting to become a pretty popular idea.

02:47:08.000 I might start entertaining that.

02:47:11.000 Technology has outpaced our brain's ability to adapt.

02:47:14.000 Period.

02:47:15.000 We cannot adapt.

02:47:16.000 Our brains haven't changed in 200,000 years.

02:47:19.000 If I can trick the mammal part of your brain that doesn't even speak English, not even English, So all I have to do is get the human part of your brain to translate what I'm seeing, what you're seeing on the phone, into an image in your mammalian brain and think that there is.

02:47:35.000 It's brand new something weird that you haven't seen before.

02:47:39.000 Does that sound familiar on social media?

02:47:40.000 Sure.

02:47:41.000 Weird, unusual.

02:47:42.000 Oh, yeah.

02:47:42.000 Novelty generates focus.

02:47:44.000 Then there's an authority because you're thinking a lot.

02:47:47.000 This thing has 97,000 likes in the last hour or whatever.

02:47:51.000 Authority.

02:47:52.000 Tribe.

02:47:53.000 Tribe is there.

02:47:54.000 It's built into the likes.

02:47:55.000 And then a lot of bots in the comments that agree with it.

02:47:57.000 Yeah.

02:47:58.000 Chime in.

02:47:59.000 Yeah.

02:47:59.000 Can't believe he's doing this.

02:48:01.000 What a narcissist.

02:48:01.000 All that kind of stuff.

02:48:03.000 I've got a hold.

02:48:05.000 I've put a leash around your mammalian brain.

02:48:08.000 And people don't realize how fast it happens.

02:48:11.000 How fast that stuff can happen.

02:48:13.000 What do you think?

02:48:15.000 If I'm having you on social media for 16 hours a day, which is like, I think 11 hours is like a common number for people, kids especially.

02:48:24.000 If I've got you for 16 hours with advanced algorithms and technology designed to manipulate you specifically, and in 1972 they could talk someone into murder in 45 minutes.

02:48:39.000 If you just imagine.

02:48:41.000 What's possible?

02:48:42.000 And know that governments are utilizing that.

02:48:46.000 It's not just people's opinions and it's not just groups of people that are trying to convince other people to think the way they think.

02:48:52.000 It's actual governments that are involved in trying to manipulate narratives.

02:48:59.000 Yeah.

02:48:59.000 And if you're thinking it's a left and a right issue, you may be a victim.

02:49:06.000 Yeah, that's a big one.

02:49:08.000 It's not.

02:49:09.000 This us versus them shit is nonsense.

02:49:11.000 Most people aren't even left or right.

02:49:13.000 Most people just have a conglomeration of opinions that they've sort of accepted as their own.

02:49:17.000 Yeah.

02:49:18.000 And, I mean, JFK got killed for saying stuff like that.

02:49:23.000 Like, it's not left, it's not right.

02:49:24.000 Let's bring this together.

02:49:25.000 Let's end corruption.

02:49:26.000 All of these plans, we're going to release all these files, all these documents.

02:49:29.000 I'm not...

02:49:30.000 You probably...

02:49:31.000 You've had experts on here about that stuff.

02:49:33.000 Well, I don't know what's going on and we won't know really until these files actually get released and what's going to be in them.

02:49:39.000 What the fuck are they...

02:49:40.000 What is he going to say?

02:49:41.000 We did it.

02:49:42.000 When is that going to happen?

02:49:42.000 I don't know.

02:49:43.000 Cash Patel's in.

02:49:45.000 Is he going to do it?

02:49:46.000 We'll see.

02:49:46.000 He apparently wants to.

02:49:48.000 I mean, I think there's probably a lot of sorting through to figure out what to say and how to say it and what to release.

02:49:54.000 I feel like they should just release it all and let the internet hounds.

02:49:58.000 Go at it.

02:49:58.000 Let them figure it out.

02:49:59.000 They're the best at it anyway.

02:50:00.000 They're the most psychotic.

02:50:02.000 They'll be working 16 hours a day until they figure it all out.

02:50:07.000 So let me tell you, when it comes to all these beliefs formation, I'll tell you the formula for hypnosis.

02:50:12.000 I don't think anybody's ever said this.

02:50:14.000 I've never said it out loud, not even in my training.

02:50:17.000 It's enhanced level of focus and then micro-compliances.

02:50:22.000 Have you seen the street performers that would hypnotize somebody in a bar?

02:50:27.000 You know, like to do something silly or maybe they're helping them.

02:50:31.000 So the first step is like if I'm hypnotizing you and it's in a social setting, the first couple of steps are, all right, come over here.

02:50:37.000 Now stand to the left.

02:50:38.000 Now move your legs just a little bit further.

02:50:40.000 Now spread them further apart so you have some balance.

02:50:42.000 All right, just make sure you have some range of motion.

02:50:44.000 Go ahead and put your arms out.

02:50:46.000 None of those are meaningful.

02:50:48.000 Right.

02:50:48.000 They're all meaningless.

02:50:49.000 All I'm doing is get you to comply, comply, comply, comply.

02:50:53.000 And that's just the first like 30 seconds.

02:50:55.000 I've got you to comply with me 15 times.

02:50:57.000 We haven't even started the hypnosis thing yet.

02:51:01.000 So it's just you're not aware that you're becoming compliant.

02:51:06.000 You just think I'm going through some motions.

02:51:08.000 It's just hijacking the mammal brain.

02:51:10.000 Yeah.

02:51:11.000 So it's compliance, compliance, compliance.

02:51:13.000 And then it's just like, go ahead and stare over there.

02:51:15.000 I want you to look at that light up there.

02:51:16.000 I want you to just focus on that light up there and just let everything go.

02:51:20.000 So it's just a lot of focus, right?

02:51:24.000 And I'll say something like, I can already tell.

02:51:26.000 I've been doing this for 20 years.

02:51:27.000 You're going to be really good at this and everything's going to be just fine.

02:51:29.000 You'll be able to hear my voice the whole time.

02:51:31.000 It's not a coma.

02:51:31.000 You'll be able to stand and maintain perfect balance.

02:51:34.000 You'll be completely okay.

02:51:36.000 Authority.

02:51:37.000 Yeah.

02:51:38.000 And no matter what happens, you're going to walk out of this a better person.

02:51:41.000 Everybody's going to respect you more.

02:51:42.000 And I'll frame it as, like, us hypnotists call the ability to go into hypnosis unconscious intelligence.

02:51:50.000 But I'll only say that if you're an intelligence person.

02:51:53.000 So if you're a significance-driven person, I'll say, we call this unconscious power, this ability to go into hypnosis.

02:52:00.000 So I'll make it about your identity right away.

02:52:03.000 And then there's an increase in dissociation.

02:52:06.000 Like there's one part of you doing this, one part of you doing that.

02:52:08.000 So that's like the induction where they're saying, oh, all the way down, that kind of stuff.

02:52:13.000 But that's, if you look at social media, the final step of hypnosis is fractionation.

02:52:19.000 Slightly out of trance, back in.

02:52:21.000 And every time you go back down into that trance, you go deeper.

02:52:25.000 If you put an EEG on someone's head, and I think you've had Dr. David Spiegel on here before.

02:52:31.000 Or you've at least had Darren Brown.

02:52:32.000 Yeah, I've had Darren Brown on.

02:52:35.000 They've done studies on this.

02:52:36.000 Like this fractionation process increases the amount of theta waves that are going on in your brain, which is the theta waves of hypnosis.

02:52:42.000 So from the ages of 1 to 8, give or take, your brain is in theta like 80% of the day.

02:52:47.000 That's why we learn so fast and we can do all that stuff.

02:52:51.000 So up and down, up and down.

02:52:53.000 And if you go back the next time, for anybody watching this, the next time you start scrolling through social media.

02:53:00.000 I want you to watch how it's going to peak a positive experience for two or three videos in a row, and it's going to start going downhill.

02:53:09.000 And it's going to go back up, and it's going to go downhill.

02:53:11.000 And every ad that you see, the algorithm doesn't do this on purpose.

02:53:16.000 The algorithm does it because it's effective.

02:53:17.000 Every time you see an ad, it's going to be at one of those down troughs.

02:53:22.000 They're not going to spike you up and have you feel good like with that...

02:53:26.000 Guy putting on the color glasses that was colorblind and he can see and he's crying and all that.

02:53:31.000 They're not going to show you an ad after that.

02:53:32.000 They'll show you an ad at the bottom.

02:53:33.000 It's every time.

02:53:35.000 And I don't think that's programmed into the algorithm.

02:53:38.000 I think the algorithm adapted because that is the effective way to do it.

02:53:42.000 Jesus.

02:53:44.000 Listen, here's your book, Behavior Ops.

02:53:47.000 This is a fat book, dude.

02:53:49.000 There's a lot going on in here.

02:53:50.000 It's all indexed and...

02:53:53.000 Is this available everywhere?

02:53:55.000 Yeah, Amazon and my website.

02:53:58.000 What is the website?

02:53:59.000 nci.university.

02:54:01.000 Alright.

02:54:02.000 Well, thank you, man.

02:54:03.000 It was very interesting.

02:54:04.000 Fun conversation.

02:54:05.000 Appreciate it.

The Joe Rogan Experience - February 25, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2278 - Chase Hughes

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