On this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, Joe and Tucker discuss conspiracy theories, Watergate, the JFK assassination, the Epstein scandal, and the Nixon administration. They talk about Watergate, JFK, the moon landing, and more.
00:03:02.000Does a whole bunch of war party things and just a whole bunch of bullshit.
00:03:04.000And we decide that Nixon was the real problem with the country.
00:03:08.000I mean, how often is it that they're allowing someone that they aren't sure about to get to president and they're sticking them with a VP that is their guy, right?
00:03:17.000Dick Cheney LBJ with JFK Dick Cheney Dick Cheney Mike Pence Mike Pence I don't know what the hell to think about Mike Pence Pence is like a preacher.
00:03:27.000I think he was good to get the fucking religious people.
00:03:39.000I love Trump conspiracy theories because people get so riled up and it's so partisan and political, but within it, there's all this like juicy, Like, meat for thinking about, it's like not even conspiracy theories, it's just like his history.
00:03:54.000And especially with the Epstein stuff now and his history with Epstein, it just gets me so interested in, you'll never know the real story.
00:04:00.000But here's the thing about theories and stuff.
00:04:03.000There's so many things that are so weird that you would think, wait a minute, this can't be real, this is fake.
00:04:43.000you know, Operation Paperclip and became the head of NASA.
00:04:46.000Super occultist kind of stuff in there.
00:04:48.000Right, right, it's a novel about a guy named Elon that takes us to Mars.
00:04:53.000And even Elon saw that and he's like, is this real?
00:04:56.000Like, you would think, there's no way.
00:04:59.000I mean, simultaneous to us kind of getting like some version of UAP disclosure that implies time travel, which is like, Lord knows what that is.
00:05:07.000But it's just so fun to speculate because it's like, How would we know?
00:05:38.000I'm on this one, Confrontations, which is one of a three-part series of human interactions that have been documented with some sort of an invader from some other dimension or planet or whatever the fuck it is.
00:06:18.000And that's my greatest weakness in a lot of ways, among several, is that I'm just really new to the game, and so I'm constantly catching up on shit, and as stuff breaks, like Pambandi, for example, I have no history on who Pambandi is because I wasn't paying attention when Pambandi was in Florida.
00:06:33.000And so I'm having to play catch-up on what was going on.
00:07:42.000I've been trying to wrap my mind around the idea of quantum computing.
00:07:46.000It's exciting, but complex and difficult to understand.
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00:09:39.000It's when you look it up, you realize that...
00:09:42.000I mean, a lot of the information is kind of gone.
00:09:43.000It's hard to even tell if it's legitimate websites and information, which is already a red flag.
00:09:47.000But the ones that are still up, they just sent them into, like, they were going on cruises that happened to be in the vicinity of the island.
00:09:54.000That's totally different than sending kids to the island.
00:09:55.000Which is a very popular vacation destination.
00:09:58.000And so it becomes this, like, and that's kind of the, I think that's the fun part of the game.
00:11:25.000And David Lifton, who is an accountant, they gave him, I forget what the project was, but it was something to do with the Warren Commission report.
00:13:07.000Yeah, something I love about the JFK story is that there are so many deep experts that have really done the dig, and they don't all come to the same conclusions.
00:13:20.000That's the part that often gets left off, too.
00:13:23.000All these witnesses, their cars got parked on railroad tracks, and they died of heart attacks when they were 30, and they got fucking shot in a robbery, and they committed suicide, gas, they fell asleep in their car.
00:13:34.000Man, Hillary Clinton sure got started early.
00:13:47.000It's like a cloud in the front, right?
00:13:49.000I mean, it could be that the top of his head exploded right there, and the force drives him back.
00:13:58.000There's another possibility, and the possibility is spontaneous nerve reaction of your body shutting down, which could cause you to go back into the left, even if you get shot in the front.
00:15:06.000His face is just clearly open right there.
00:15:09.000And it's clearly not a shot from behind.
00:15:11.000It's definitely not a shot from behind because there's no entry wound in the back of his head.
00:15:16.000And if you're saying that that thing hit the front of his head...
00:15:19.000Or the side of his head from behind like that?
00:15:22.000I feel like if there was a conspiracy theorist training course, the JFK assassination would be the perfect dry run training course to build it around because you have all the pieces.
00:15:33.000You have a complex conspiracy with unknown actors from intelligence agencies and organized crime and maybe multiple governments and we don't know all that.
00:15:41.000Then you have a complex cover-up that evolved over time.
00:15:45.000You have researchers, you have bad information being fed in.
00:15:49.000From outside, you have conspiracy theorists that are taking it in directions that are corroborable.
00:15:54.000It's got all the things that you need to both learn how to dig into and learn how to watch out for.
00:16:58.000And there's a certain guy that theorized that they were hiding in a manhole and shot up at him out of the manhole.
00:17:03.000And that the car slows down in real life.
00:17:06.000And that witnesses saw the car slow down.
00:17:09.000And that there's dropped frames from the Zapruder film.
00:17:11.000And it's like these are these kind of theories where it's like it's like how do you dig into that and like prove that and the answer is you have to get to primary sources.
00:17:19.000You have to get to like is there a police report for that kid showing up like is there is that location real like can you corroborate any of this.
00:18:46.000Yeah, like I'm deep enough to know the basics, but there's so many layers, and you have to read the books, you have to watch the films, you have to see the interviews.
00:21:42.000So, I mean, even just the first chapter, right?
00:21:44.000So if you take that book's premise, it's basically that before the hippie movement...
00:21:49.000There was a very powerful organized anti-war movement led by a bunch of Quakers, a bunch of black activists, a bunch of, like, my dad was one of them.
00:21:56.000And it was not this hippie fringe thing.
00:21:58.000It was a very powerful anti-Vietnam protest.
00:22:01.000And the moment that LSD gets introduced, it becomes all peace and love.
00:22:05.000And he points out in that book how all of these people, like Frank Zappa, like, lead members of The Doors, people organized the Monterey Pop Festival over and over and over.
00:22:14.000Like, he probably has two to three dozen examples specifically he goes deep into.
00:22:18.000People just happen to move from wherever they are all over the world into this area in LA that is not a hotbed for music.
00:22:26.000And they all just start making music about peace and love and doing LSD.
00:22:28.000And all of them have parents that are from special forces, intelligence operations, Pentagon.
00:22:34.000Like some of the musicians themselves have backgrounds that look exactly like CIA operatives that were doing like revolutions in Cuba and overseas.
00:22:50.000So Frank Zappa's one where his dad and his mom were both Frank Zappa's dad worked at the base that was like the chemical weapons, like where they did their chemical weapons research.
00:23:01.000His dad was a chemical weapons specialist in like top secret clearances, which is basically like when you read about what his dad was, it sounds a lot like what MKUltra would be.
00:23:11.000It sounds a lot like what you would...
00:23:29.000But what he did was not like find uncovered evidence that had never been uncovered.
00:23:33.000He just looked at all these different people whose histories were very public.
00:23:37.000But he put it all together and realized like that's a lot of people that all moved to this one place and all started producing music that was like all within this one thing.
00:23:47.000Like Jim Morrison, his dad was the lead commander of the boat that was in the Gulf of Tonkin that started the Vietnam War.
00:23:54.000That's like kind of a weird coincidence.
00:23:58.000And you could definitely make the explanation that kids often rebel against their parents, Kids often step out of line and are like, like, fuck the old way.
00:24:06.000But a lot of them were Ex-military, like directly ex-suits and ex-CIA. Was Morrison an ex-military man?
00:25:27.000With the sweeping psychedelic act of 1970, they passed this.
00:25:32.000They made mushrooms and all these different things illegal so that they could go after the civil rights activists and the anti-war activists and the Black Panthers.
00:25:42.000Go after them for having these things that were societal disruptors.
00:25:47.000It also makes fertile ground for COINTELPRO. When you have things like drugs and drug culture, like fertile ground for COINTELPREM. Well, this is the big thing about Jolly West and Manson is that Jolly West allegedly taught Manson how to use psychedelics and manipulate people.
00:26:03.000And oftentimes when Manson was with the family, apparently he pretended to take LSD and they all took it.
00:26:20.000But he just put it all out there and is like, this is what I'm seeing and say, think what you think.
00:26:24.000And it looks to me like like you're saying that Manson was either directly trained to practice these things and carry them out.
00:26:32.000Or he was sort of like a patsy in the operation that they kind of like gave him the setting within which to just go along his megalomaniacal impulses and just kind of kept tabs on him and kept him safe and just kept him going.
00:26:44.000I think he wasn't a part of it because of how effective he was.
00:27:00.000We think you're an amazing mind of untapped talent.
00:27:03.000And, you know, you pray to this narcissist ego, and you start telling him things, and the next thing you know, he's out there in the street working for you like a little hoe.
00:27:11.000It's crazy how many people that wind up in these weird positions came out of, like...
00:27:15.000You were in prison, then you got released, or you were in, like, trouble, and then you got...
00:27:19.000And the girls, like, the girls, it's crazy.
00:27:21.000Those girls, like, some of them had committed some minor crimes, but a lot of them were just regular people.
00:27:25.000And then suddenly they become, like, absolute, like, murderers.
00:27:36.000I think hypnosis is real, acid is real, and then the techniques that they've developed over decades of fucking with people with these drugs, they know what to do.
00:28:24.000And that is most commonly associated with dark, grim childhood sexual abuse.
00:28:28.000And then you get all these victim testimonies, hundreds and hundreds of people these days talking about how they were a part of these programs.
00:28:35.000Like people that were on Epstein's Island that claimed to have been victimized as children and subjected to mind control experiments.
00:29:24.000If you've got someone who's so fucking crazy, you could talk to them and get them to do things and give them acid and get them to Sirhan Sirhan levels or whatever the fuck they did to Jack Ruby.
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00:31:08.000And the craziest thing is that we've been living in a world where for all of our history until the internet, and really until recent internet history, they could do those things and just...
00:32:31.000I mean, I'm at the point where I'm starting to get...
00:32:33.000I'm not literally that paranoid, but I've had some conversations in terms of people that want to leak a story, which I normally just avoid because I don't want to touch it.
00:32:41.000But every now and then I'm like, let's go on a walk.
00:32:43.000Because I don't want to hear what you have to say around any of this shit.
00:33:15.000To, like, know everything or to be some great journalist.
00:33:18.000My goal is to inspire everybody else, like, to inspire the world to think a little more and to be more critical and to look it up for yourself.
00:33:24.000Well, you're also serving a function, like, a service for people because what you're doing is you're taking all the time to find all this open stores and then putting it out there.
00:33:48.000TikTok will delete one finger if I'm pointing with one finger because it's a green screen app and so I'm using the camera and in my camera it's putting the thing behind me but it's cutting out me and if I only use one finger it cuts my whole hand away.
00:34:01.000Just because the green screen when it's trying to AI analyze what is a body and what is the background it'll take away my hand as though it's the background.
00:34:10.000I haven't gone all the way to doing this at the screen yet.
00:34:15.000But I see a lot of people that are doing exactly your way.
00:35:52.000The first video of his that really woke me up...
00:35:54.000Was the video he did on the World Trade Organization protests in Seattle when he showed that there was these groups of masked men who dressed in military uniforms with military issue shoes.
00:36:08.000They all had the same shit on and they all ran around in this peaceful protest for the World Trade Organization and started smashing things and lighting things on fire and creating chaos which allowed the police to then move in.
00:36:21.000Then these people All holed up in one house.
00:36:25.000They negotiated with the police and they were all released.
00:37:06.000I'm really interested in looking for...
00:37:09.000Right now, with all these new people coming in, Cash and Pam and all the picks, RFK, I'm really enjoying the process of just trying to watch their actions and trying to figure out who's doing what and how much are they going to play.
00:37:19.000play to the money and play to the people.
00:37:21.000And it's just such a fascinating exercise in journalism of where do you kind of – and how much leeway do you give them?
00:40:55.000There are many, many, many conspiracies that have been uncovered and criminal investigations have found that people were trafficking children.
00:41:08.000Child trafficking, like, child trafficking rings get exposed and brought down around the world relatively frequently, like at least once a year.
00:41:14.000But they usually don't make big news because they're usually not like Epstein.
00:41:37.000And what you're talking about is this, it's such an important concept, is that some people, like, if you wanted to pay for an underage prostitute, people can, you can pay for that.
00:41:45.000There are people, there are women that would be prostitutes underage.
00:44:11.000You know that James O'Keefe got his start with Breitbart on that story exposing Acorn and what they did is they sent James O'Keefe and this other female reporter into Acorn.
00:45:18.000And it's a whole drama fest, and I try to stay, I mean, I usually try to stay out of the drama in the modern industry, because it's like, it'll just waste your time.
00:46:51.000It is interesting how you can watch out over history.
00:46:53.000The more history you learn, the more you get to see where certain strategies, kind of like deep state strategies, so to speak, or intelligence agency strategies, get invented.
00:48:22.000But then you get into the people that are like, the whole world's a stage, trust the plan, Q's in control, and it's like, whoa, dude, calm down.
00:48:58.000And it shows all the people that were involved in it, and it kind of highlights a guy who seems to be Q, who is kind of an internet shitposter fucking around.
00:49:07.000When 4chan was in its heyday back when all that shit was going down, it's ripe for that kind of nonsense.
00:50:40.000Well, the thing is, I... I avoid, in the way I've talked about it, I've avoided all the symbols and logos and even some of the pizza stuff because I think there's so much more ripe, clear evidence that is way more powerful.
00:50:52.000And James Alifonso's Instagram account is a great example.
00:50:57.000So you cannot find it on Instagram anymore.
00:50:59.000It's only been archived onto other sites, which is kind of sketchy because it's like, how do I know you're not adding photos and stuff?
00:51:04.000So you kind of have to dig and dig and dig and cross-reference over and over and over to make sure that you're getting sort of like the consensus.
00:51:12.000So people like Liz Croke and people like Alex Jones, like they saw these things come out and that you can find plenty of different archives of all of James Aliphant's Instagram posts.
00:51:21.000And there are things like photos of children with their arms taped to tables.
00:51:24.000And the caption is looks like a fun time.
00:51:26.000And then people that have always been commenting on his posts, like the people that are interacting with his posts all the time have even weirder Instagrams where it's like kill room and there's a coffin that's open and things like that.
00:51:36.000There's like a photo of like a walk-in freezer and it's like, man, looks like you've been having a fun weekend.
00:51:43.000Things like that that are just super dark.
00:51:46.000And a bunch of babies and a bunch of symbolism, a bunch of children.
00:51:50.000And it's all photos on their Instagram in plain daylight.
00:52:18.000That if you don't know the history of a person like Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton, it's really easy to think, oh, that's just so insane that you would think that they would be involved in it.
00:52:27.000And first of all, they frame it in the articles about Pizzagate.
00:52:31.000Hillary Clinton was the mastermind of a global pedophile sex trafficking ring all headquartered in this pizza shop, which is not what anyone ever claimed.
00:52:41.000So as soon as you can discredit that, you discredit the whole thing.
00:52:44.000Classic frame job, which Nancy Pelosi explains very well, where you make a false claim and you say that's what they're saying and then you discredit the false claim.
00:52:51.000But if you really learn the history of the Clinton family, just as one example, Did you ever read The Strange Death of Vince Foster?
00:53:12.000They found his body where there was less blood at the scene that was missing from his body, and the gun was still in his hand.
00:53:19.000I was actually just reading about that specific murder in Whitney Webb's books like two nights ago, because she goes over that too, because it's a huge question mark.
00:53:38.000Like, all sorts of things that just don't add up.
00:53:41.000And that was right after Epstein had first walked into Bill Clinton's life.
00:53:44.000That was between White House visit number one and White House visit number two, while Epstein was funding the refurbishing of the entire West Wing of the White House.
00:53:52.000I'm glad you brought up Epstein, because there was a point that I was going to make earlier that I forgot.
00:53:55.000The Epstein situation is identical to the Manson situation.
00:54:07.000The structure of how you would pull...
00:54:09.000Like, if you were going to use an intelligence asset to do something evil, to do something where you can get dirt on people or compromise people or accomplish an objective, you would get someone who's already fucked up.
00:54:47.000Like, think about, like, the guy gets arrested for having sex with underage girls or getting them to do happy endings or whatever, wherever he did.
00:55:18.000He can't be, like, a straight-edge, regular guy with a family and children that is just evil.
00:55:24.000No, you gotta have him in on the thing.
00:55:27.000So if you got a guy you know is already a freak.
00:55:30.000You know he's already a nut, and he's already doing blow and fucking hookers all the time, and maybe he's been caught with a few underage girls.
00:55:39.000Well, when you study where he came from and how he got plucked from the Dalton School and then got put into Bear Stearns and then got put through Bear Stearns and then got put into money management.
00:55:49.000It was teaching at the Dalton School, and then he was a banker at Bear Stearns, which he conveniently left when this big scandal broke that implicated him and the director, Goldstein, that had hired him.
00:56:03.000And then he went into the arms running businesses, which is where he met Maxwell, Daddy Maxwell, not daughter Maxwell, and Anand Khashoggi and Lise and all these other arms traffickers.
00:56:15.000So it's like you walk slowly into these worlds.
00:56:17.000And as they're doing that, I'm imagining they're taking tabs on of like, what kind of guy is this and what's he into?
00:56:22.000And he's working with arms traffickers.
00:56:24.000And some of those arms traffickers were famous for blackmail.
00:56:26.000Like a non-Kashoggi, he was famous for having his yacht filled up with cameras and given his arms deals everything they could ever want while he's selling weapons to them.
00:56:36.000And he's got his whole yacht wired up with cameras.
00:56:38.000Trump later bought that yacht, which is super interesting.
00:58:06.000But she's now very concerned, rightly so, about the sort of technocratic nature of what might be to come.
00:58:12.000But her research on Jeffrey Epstein is looking backwards at the history of organized crime, the history of Epstein, and it paints a very...
00:58:18.000Like, we know very well who he worked for, and we know who he was associated with.
00:58:21.000She has primary sources with pages of sources cited about who put him where, who he interacted with, who said what about him, who claimed what about his life.
00:58:30.000And it's two full books and it's very well sourced with primary sources cited all the way throughout.
00:58:35.000And so it's like, we don't actually really need the Epstein files to know what was going on.
00:58:39.000They'll hopefully include a lot of new details.
00:58:42.000But don't we need it for rock solid proof?
00:59:01.000Yeah, they're all there, and you can read them online.
00:59:03.000They're on archive.org, as well as other places.
00:59:05.000But Leslie Wexner is a great example here.
00:59:08.000Leslie Wexner owns Victoria's Secret and Elle Brands, right?
00:59:11.000He's the bank that bankrolled Jeffrey Epstein.
00:59:13.000And I was saying earlier that he signed the power of attorney over to Jeffrey Epstein so that Jeffrey Epstein was able to sell his assets, manage his assets, buy on his behalf.
00:59:22.000He could sell Victoria's Secret without Leslie Wexner in the room or even his knowledge if he wanted to, because that's the level of power of attorney that he signed over to Jeffrey Epstein when he was...
01:00:39.000Whitney has a whole chapter where she goes into this article that was done by a mainstream news source like 10, 20 years ago where they're interviewing Leslie Wexner and asking him about how he came to power and what's his secret.
01:00:49.000It's called his D-book, D-Y-B-U-K, and you can read about this on Wikipedia as well.
01:00:55.000He describes in his own words that he's possessed by a d-book, which is like a Yiddish word for an evil demon that drives him for more and more and more and more.
01:01:34.000I've read it three times now, and I still am taking notes and trying to look things up to understand it because she's just so researched.
01:01:41.000And it's things like this, where she's gone back to the original article where they were interviewing him, and he's just like a CEO. So they're just asking him, what's your secret to success?
01:02:01.000He says, and now perhaps it's time to reintroduce Leslie Wexner's debuk, the demon that always wakes up in the morning with Wexner and tweaks and pulls at him.
01:02:11.000When he was a boy, his father called it tumul, a churning.
01:03:45.000Group of Jewish billionaires that get together on behalf of global Judaism, which is not uncommon, and there's nothing wrong with that if they're not committing crimes.
01:03:54.000But they would get together and meet, and it's people like Leslie Wexner, Charles Bronfman, the list is...
01:04:01.000And that group, it is unclear if we have proof that they were conducting espionage, but there are...
01:04:13.000All of them have ties to organized crime through various elements, like the Bronfmans were rum runners, as one example, that were then involved in the mob.
01:04:22.000Leslie Wexner's involved in these trafficking rings, etc.
01:04:27.000Seems to have been directly associated with Jeffrey Epstein.
01:04:30.000And she's, again, she's one that she shows all the primary sources and, like, lays it all out of, this is what we know, and this is where the source came from, and this is what it said, and these are possible explanations for it.
01:04:39.000Here's one or two or three explanations of what it might be, but we don't really know because this is as far as the evidence goes.
01:04:45.000And so Leslie Wexner is just one where there's all this swirling evidence all around him that the, in order for him to not be aware of what's going on and to not have been an active part of this, Is damn near unbelievable in my eyes, allegedly.
01:05:13.000But, like, so the files getting released, I am not expecting them to come out in any complete form because the mainstream understandings that Jeffrey Epstein was the guy.
01:05:26.000Jeffrey Epstein was just an employee of these organized crime rings that work on behalf of the CIA and Israeli Mossad and British intelligence.
01:05:34.000Because organized crime is the black markets, the dark things, the sex, the drugs, the rock and roll, the child trafficking.
01:05:43.000And intelligence agencies were designed to be legitimate government's point of access to organized crime.
01:06:02.000Alan Dulles, founder of the CIA, was like, I want to do covert operations.
01:06:05.000And very immediately, covert operations were like overthrowing the government of Guatemala, Iran, buying the elections in Italy.
01:06:12.000They bought the elections in Italy by just passing giant bags of cash to the mafia so they would just go buy the election right after World War II because they needed to not let Italy fall to the...
01:06:44.000And so what they want to do is they want to outsource MKUltra shit or child trafficking shit or drug running shit to that shell company that's hiring that guy that works at that organized crime, right?
01:06:59.000The deep state is the conglomerate of organized crime and intelligence agencies that work in the shadows as well as the halls of power, but they're not supposed to exist and we're not supposed to know about them.
01:07:08.000But they've always existed because before we even founded the CIA during...
01:07:12.000During World War II, there was this bombing of this ship in a port on the eastern seaboard.
01:07:18.000The USS Liberty is confusing my memory right now.
01:07:42.000And it's not clear if it was German U-boats.
01:07:45.000There are reports that later Meyer Lansky and the mob took credit for it, like low-key, but we don't really know for sure who blew it up.
01:07:52.000But when it blew up, the U.S. government got really worried that they had no way to secure the ports along the eastern seaboard because all the ports were run by the mob, because the mob ran all the unions, right?
01:08:04.000And so they, rather than trying to wrestle the ports, control the ports back from the mob, they just went to the mob.
01:08:12.000If you guys lock down the ports, we'll let you kind of do your thing.
01:08:17.000And that's kind of what Operation Underworld was all about.
01:08:19.000And so what they did during World War II is they literally gave control over the entire eastern seaboard.
01:08:25.000I mean, I'm being facetious, but they gave control over all the ports on the eastern seaboard to the goddamn drug smugglers, like to the mob, which their favorite thing is to smuggle things.
01:08:59.000I was trying to research GameStop and shit.
01:09:01.000And then I started to realize that there's this whole monstrosity that is an official part of our government, these intelligence agencies, that when you really learn their history and read about their official history, let alone their history that sort of is still secret...
01:09:14.000It is very clear that they've been off the rails right from the start.
01:09:18.000And that's true inside of every, like, whether you're reading Legacy of Ashes and The Devil's Chessboard, very well-researched official books about this shit, or if you're doing internet research.
01:09:26.000And the reason why you'd start an intelligence agency using a corporate lawyer instead of, like, a doctor or a military guy or something is because a corporate lawyer...
01:09:38.000Is already familiar with all of the big CEOs of all the big corporations, right?
01:09:43.000Alan Dulles worked at Sullivan and Cromwell as a lawyer.
01:09:45.000And so he was very familiar with IG Farben producing Zyklon B for the Nazis.
01:09:52.000He was familiar with shipping companies and fruit companies and all these companies all around the world.
01:09:57.000And he's got good connections with them all.
01:09:59.000And so you suddenly, you hire one guy, Alan Dulles, and you have just hired an entire network of multinational corporations.
01:10:06.000Theoretically, to work on behalf of the U.S. But when you read the histories and you read what Alan Dulles was saying behind closed doors and everything, what he was doing is he was hiring the U.S. government in order to fund a corporate slush fund for corporations to utilize this power, this newly government-bestowed power, to essentially wage violence that is sanctioned.
01:10:28.000Because all those corporations, the perfect example is Guatemala.
01:10:32.000The United Fruit Company had bought up all this land in Guatemala and was growing bananas like crazy, and a lot of the land was just sitting vacant.
01:10:40.000And Jacobo Arbenz comes into power, and he's like, this is bullshit.
01:10:44.000There's this American corporation that's owning all of our land, that's making all of us poor, and they're not even using a bunch of this land.
01:10:50.000So what I'm going to do is I'm going to buy back the land.
01:10:52.000He bought it back from the United Fruit Company, and he was going to distribute it for free to all the farmers that were destitute, which is like socialist, kind of.
01:11:01.000But it's also pretty badass to use, like, your government money to buy all your farmers' land from this multinational corporation, but that pissed United Fruit off.
01:11:09.000And this is right as the CIA was getting founded, and United Fruit was a client of Sullivan and Cromwell, and Alan Dulles was a lawyer there, right?
01:11:56.000We painted him as a communist right at our doorstep.
01:11:59.000And then the CIA went in and through a series of kind of somewhat botched attempts called Operation Success and Operation PB Success, they overthrew the government of Guatemala and they ousted him.
01:12:12.000They bombed Guatemala City and they got rid of him and they put in their own dictator that started like, you know, 30 years of absolute devastation and like military rule and just...
01:12:23.000Really dark shit that basically tore Guatemala apart on behalf of United Fruit.
01:12:30.000They did the same thing in Iran like three years later with Kermit Roosevelt, where it became this thing where these multinational corporations that are affiliated with this intelligence agency, just kind of through friendships and through partnerships and through the network, they started to utilize Alan Dulles and the CIA in general on their behalf to do things for the corporate interest.
01:12:50.000They are the power players in this world.
01:12:52.000They always have been the power players in this world.
01:12:53.000And they had been itching for quite some time to get that government-sanctioned ability to wage violence against anyone around the world.
01:13:02.000And we've been doing that ever since, using the intelligence agencies on behalf of the corporate blob, which is not always distinguishable from organized crime, and just going off and whacking people and overthrowing governments and starting coups right to this day, to Ukraine, 2014. Without being directly connected.
01:13:27.000That's the whole point, is you want to set it up in a series of shells, and the darker it is, the more you have to kind of separate it so that when Jeffrey Epstein goes down, no one knows who he worked for.
01:13:37.000He worked for intelligence, and I was told to leave him alone.
01:13:39.000And so you're left to speculate who he worked for, and that's why we are left to rely on sources like Whitney Webb, who's done sort of the definitive dig, because they won't fucking tell us, because a bunch of them are blackmailed.
01:13:52.000And it's all, it's like, it's not like it's literally a cabal of shadowy dudes around one table.
01:13:56.000It is just an alignment of many different interests, different families, different corporations, different bankers, organized crime groups, all sort of playing games for power and these guys have that much power and those guys have that much power and interests tend to align like...
01:14:10.000The general vibe in the corporations will probably align with the vibe of the bankers.
01:14:14.000And their vibe will probably align a fair bit with some of this organized crime stuff.
01:14:18.000And we'll fund this terrorist organization, Mujahideen, until it's not convenient anymore.
01:14:23.000And then we'll actually use them as a patsy to go to war because there's terrorists over there, goddammit!
01:15:08.000They wanted him to be a part of taking over the country.
01:15:09.000There's almost a Nazi coup in the 30s where we almost got taken over by our own military and became Nazis because Prescott, Bush, and a bunch of his other buddies were on Team Nazi.
01:15:19.000And it's because they were all funding the Nazis and they wanted us on that team.
01:15:23.000And they tried to recruit Smedley Butler to be the lead of this.
01:15:42.000I spent 33 years in active military service, and during that period, I spent most of my time as a high-class muscle man for big business, for Wall Street and the bankers.
01:15:52.000In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.
01:15:56.000Smedley Butler, 1935. He was one of the most decorated Marines, or was he in the Army of all time?
01:16:35.000And it's still not making it into the mainstream, mainstream zeitgeist, but...
01:16:39.000And you've played a big part in this, too.
01:16:41.000This whole decentralized media space, as technology naturally walks forward, I think that we're living in this world where all these rich people, all these evil, controlling sickos of varying degrees, they come from a world where they could control everything.
01:16:56.000They could control the newspapers, they could buy out the press, they could pay for journalists.
01:16:59.000And that strategy walked itself into technology.
01:17:03.000And suddenly technology is just naturally walking forwards, and this just changes the game.
01:17:08.000Like, you can't use those old strategies when you have a phone and internet and social media.
01:17:13.000And we're watching the cognitive sort of breakdown of their old ways that they don't know how to adapt.
01:17:18.000And it's just scheme after scheme after scheme is crumbling.
01:17:36.000I was glad that Elon said the stuff about assassination on the podcast the other day because that needs to be said is that they are taking great risk.
01:17:43.000Even Pam and Cash, all of them, are taking great risk to do this.
01:17:48.000And it would not be the first time that someone's spouse had been whacked or someone's kids had been threatened or, like, they'd...
01:18:56.000Now, when you have 51 former intelligence agents claiming that this is Russian disinformation, and then you have the government getting it removed, Twitter complying, you can't even post a link, for the fucking New York Post.
01:19:26.000Yeah, until Trump came in, that was the only election interference that I was willing to talk about because it was very provable, very obvious.
01:19:33.000Then you have another obvious portal, which is California...
01:19:36.000And New York won't even allow you to show your ID when you vote.
01:19:40.000There's only one reason why you would do that, because you want people voting that shouldn't be voting, and you want it to count because you want to win.
01:19:48.000And more and more we're seeing that they are literally importing voters and paying them with government money to huge amounts of money when we have homeless veterans on the street, over 300,000 children are missing that have crossed our border that we have delivered to unknown sponsors.
01:20:05.000The Trump administration, very quickly, within the first couple weeks, found 90,000 of them.
01:20:46.000I'd heard something along those lines.
01:20:47.000I didn't know about that either and then I now do a podcast every couple weeks with Dustin Stockton who's a whole trip of guy and he started telling me the story of like, what are you saying?
01:20:57.000I had no idea that they had literally just started building it from a private...
01:22:11.000I work with this guy named Ryan Mata who spent three years of his life going to the border with his own dollars and filming documentaries about this and interviewing the people that rescue trafficked children and actually interviewing whistleblowers from within the Biden regime's trafficking scheme, like the people that were dropping kids off with sponsors and stuff.
01:22:35.000A Trump administration is allegedly located between 75,000, 80,000 of the 300,000 missing migrant children, according to Harris Faulkner of Fox News.
01:23:09.000And this is the thing is that there are certain topics that are so disinformationalized and so sensationalized that when you start to research into them, you realize you're inside of this media madness that it's so hard to find the truth.
01:23:34.000And you never know what you can trust in those spaces.
01:23:36.000And so that's where I change my switches for what to believe.
01:23:40.000And I kind of open up the bandwidth in terms of take it all in, but be very skeptical.
01:23:46.000Because that's where you get wild conspiracy theories that are unproven, and trust me, and then you also get all kinds of propaganda trying to obfuscate the narrative.
01:23:53.000Yeah, that's a big factor that people need to be aware of is purposeful misinformation that gets inserted into a narrative to make that narrative ridiculous.
01:24:01.000And there's whole conspiracy theories that I think are like that.
01:24:08.000Well, I think Flat Earth was someone did that as a goof, and then they couldn't believe how much it took.
01:24:12.000But if you can speak well, and you're articulate, and you have compelling things that you're saying, and there's no counter, there's no scientist going, stop, stop, stop.
01:24:22.000We can show you in fucking ten minutes that the Earth is round.
01:26:24.000If you think about the amount of death that occurs in the United States because fentanyl overdoses, where you have tainted drugs that are coming in across the border and killing people left at unprecedented levels.
01:26:33.000Children, like taking kids from families.
01:27:53.000Because the way that the sort of announcement was worded of like, we're declaring cartel members, terrorist organizations, and we will be, and drone strikes are like totally A-OK on that, is what someone was saying about it.
01:28:04.000And I was like, where's the line on allowing the targeting of cartels?
01:28:08.000Because once you start targeting terrorists, that's why 9-11 was so subversive, is it turned everyone.
01:28:13.000Everyone into a possible enemy of the state that can be shipped off to Guantanamo because terrorism is just this elusive concept.
01:28:41.000So I looked at the letter itself and I actually read the letter.
01:28:44.000And on the letter at the bottom, they all signed it.
01:28:46.000And if you just start Googling the people that signed it, the very first two names were ex-directors of the CIA that lied to us about Guantanamo Bay and lied to us about surveilling American citizens and lied on the stand.
01:28:58.000And so they're professional liars that are from the Intel agencies that are saying oh no no like hundred by is all good above board It's like why would we ever trust that?
01:29:07.000But that's how powerful spin is when every media article parrots that no it wasn't made in a lab There's no evidence.
01:29:13.000It was made in a lab that couldn't be true Yeah, everyone just believes it because we want to believe that that's how the world is we used to and Don't you think that over the last four years, COVID was probably the biggest wake-up call ever for people?
01:29:51.000And we're supposed to have a balance of the two.
01:29:53.000And I think my theory is that it used to be easier to control the right because it was a big money party and you could go to war with them and you could lead us around by the right.
01:30:02.000But as technology came in, they realized it was way easier to spin narratives to the collectivists.
01:30:08.000And if you can get all the collectivists, the leftists...
01:30:10.000To go along with the narrative, that's way more effective than these individual liberty people with the guns.
01:30:16.000Well, also, you're controlling all the universities if you have the leftists.
01:30:19.000You have the narrative that you essentially...
01:30:23.000Program the culture as it then leaves the universities and enters into the workforce.
01:30:28.000The most ignorant people ready to be programmed.
01:30:30.000I mean, that's always how communist revolutions have been programmed.
01:30:33.000Well, we were talking about this with Jordan Peterson where people were saying, what is the big deal?
01:30:37.000This is like 2015, 2016 when Jordan Peterson first and when Brett Weinstein first started emerging.
01:30:43.000And before that, I was talking about these crazy things that were going on in universities and people were like, why are you paying attention to these fringe things that kids are doing?
01:32:55.000Well, Chase Hughes was talking about that when he was talking about COVID. Like, what are the ways you can clearly see that something is a psyop?
01:33:01.000First, you're not allowed to question anything.
01:33:41.000Culture of censorship and of herd mentality, especially in the universities, is the most toxic thing to our national future you could ever incorporate.
01:33:50.000Yeah, it's a perfect thing that a foreign company or a foreign government would do to the United States in order to ruin us.
01:33:57.000And this is what Yuri Bezmenov talked about in the 1980s.
01:34:11.000And I more and more started to look at, like, we changed from kinetic warfare at the atom bomb to, like, psyop and subversive and information warfare.
01:34:21.000And we were still doing kinetic warfare, but it was all these little proxy wars that were based on propaganda and, like, in order to spin narratives, in order to get support.
01:34:29.000And more and more, as technology has evolved, one of my kind of schticks is that...
01:34:33.000The warfare is information warfare now because what they need to do is they need to convince everyone that COVID is real and that you need to lock down and you need to wear your mask and you need to take the vaccine so we can profit.
01:35:01.000What's fun though is when they try to spin a narrative to try to cover up their tracks and it just winds up exposing more people to what's actually going on.
01:35:10.000One of my favorite ones was when Geraldo Rivera was in Afghanistan going through the poppy fields with the United States military guarding the poppy fields.
01:37:16.000I know that you care deeply about this contradiction, the fact that here you have one of the best fighting forces in the world ever mounted, and in a sense you're watching as this opium is being grown.
01:37:52.000My favorite statistic about that era is that that that I'm going to get the number wrong, but it...
01:37:59.000Opium has only grown in so many places, right?
01:38:02.000And it used to be in the Vietnam region in Southeast Asia, the Golden Triangle.
01:38:06.000Then it changed to the Golden Crescent, which is Afghanistan.
01:38:10.000When that era happened, it was something like 70%, 80% of the world's opium supply was coming from Afghanistan.
01:38:16.000And if you just do a little math and think it through, you realize that we have this gigantic opioid market of legal opioids, of the Sackler family and all these pharma companies.
01:38:27.000And you realize that it's physically impossible for them not to be in on this scheme.
01:38:32.000Because where are they growing their opium?
01:38:36.000They're not growing it in, like, Africa.
01:38:39.000So, by definition, when you just think through what's going on here, you realize that some of those opium fields are illegal heroin, and some of those opium fields are big pharma.
01:38:48.000It coincides with the opioid crisis in America.
01:39:39.000Just, you know, if you're good at it, if you're Whitney Webb or if you're you or any of those people.
01:39:43.000It's just a scientific process of having the right degree of, like, understanding of just, like, the right amount of, like, need to see primary sources and real evidence and the ability to look and test a hypothesis and see what comes out and not being attached to one conclusion.
01:39:57.000Beyond what the evidence actually suggests.
01:39:59.000Also, not being afraid to seem foolish to the uninformed.
01:40:28.000And I would go into the grocery stores and do the videos in the grocery stores where I would go to the cereal aisle and be like, who owns all these cereals?
01:40:34.000And it turns out the entire cereal aisle is three companies and...
01:40:38.000I mean, the tampon aisle is even better because they're all getting sued for having reprotoxic chemicals in the tampons.
01:40:49.000And so that sort of, I like walked myself slowly into learning and I walked my audience along with me.
01:40:54.000And I also developed this understanding of, I mean, I used to be a teacher.
01:40:57.000And so I have this, a certain understanding of like, how do you communicate in a way that's speaking from their perspective instead of from my perspective?
01:41:05.000Which right now I'm just talking to you instead of talking to them, 'cause it's more fun.
01:41:09.000But when I actually make my videos, I do my best to try to put myself in the shoes of who I'm trying to access and what do they know and what do I need to communicate and show evidence of for them to understand that you can look into this and check my sources.
01:41:22.000And you can think about this You have permission to think about this.
01:41:26.000You do a very good job of citing your sources and telling people where to look if they want to find out more information about it too because a lot of it is a real big deep dive.
01:41:36.000It's like unless you're you, unless you're a person who does it for a living, the amount of time that it takes to find out about this stuff and then even you who's been in for two years doing this, there's There's decades of layers you need to uncover.
01:42:05.000I mean, yeah, most people don't have time for all of it, but as we're sort of stratifying into this ecosystem of content of, like, creators and journalists and thinkers, that we're all kind of collectively doing the work together, and some of us are more integral than others.
01:42:17.000Some of us are just clickbaiters, and some of us are, like, I'm somewhere in the middle.
01:42:20.000And then you get some people that are really professional about it, like...
01:42:24.000Problematically professional about it, like they can only get so much done.
01:42:27.000Have you ever looked into the Oklahoma City bombing?
01:43:04.000It seems or it seems like someone else planted bombs inside that building and they blamed it on this fertilizer bomb.
01:43:10.000What would that false flag have taken us to?
01:43:13.000They passed different gun laws and different laws afterwards.
01:43:17.000Yeah, I mean 9-11 is the perfect example of that kind of false flag of this thing that's crazy that has all these questions that get covered up and then we just go to war in the Middle East with a country.
01:43:27.000And we have the Patriot Act and the Patriot Act 2. All the spying.
01:44:44.000The very next day, 9-11 happens, and in one of the buildings where they store data, that building mysteriously implodes like a controlled demolition.
01:44:55.000Like, no building has ever collapsed, ever.
01:45:40.000Talking about Biggie, Diddy is on the menu.
01:45:43.000But it's important to mention, as we're getting into all these government conspiracy theories, and CIA did it, Israel did it, Saudi did it, no one's saying ever, unless you're dumb, that the whole government of any of these countries did it.
01:45:56.000Like people, it's like in the anti-Israel crowd, people get smeared a lot for like, as though you're claiming that all of Israel did 9-11 or all of Israel did this thing.
01:46:03.000Or when you're talking about the CIA, it's more obvious when you're talking about the CIA.
01:46:06.000We're not saying that the whole CIA did something.
01:46:09.000We're saying that these groups, these covert intelligence agencies, they are fertile ground for walled off areas of need to know information behind levels of security clearances where plots can be hatched.
01:46:25.000Unreal that they would have such an evil and fucked up plot right Right.
01:46:32.0009-11 happened when I was in grade school, and I remember where I was and all that shit.
01:46:36.000And that was the seed that just sort of set under the ground until BLM that eventually sprouted for me.
01:46:44.000I always knew there was something weird, and I saw Zeitgeist when I was way younger.
01:46:47.000So I knew that there's weird shit in this world, but I was a leftist that just wanted to go snowboarding and stuff, so I didn't really think about it until...
01:46:54.000It walked into my city and told me to stay inside and get a jab and all sorts of shit.
01:46:59.000So they really fucked up with that one.
01:47:14.000Oh, dude, you should really check them out.
01:47:16.000Yeah, he's around this area, and I had not seen them before.
01:47:20.000Plandemic 1 was this doctor named Judy Mikovits that blew the whistle really early on, and that is one of the things that got all this, like the fact that you haven't heard of it and seen it.
01:49:34.000I was skeptical about him before I read that book because they had done a great job of connecting him to fringe conspiracies and making him look like a kook.
01:49:43.000He's the one Kennedy that's out of his mind.
01:49:46.000And it had been long enough since he was not a kook because he started doing the vaccine stuff for these moms that were coming to him with vaccine-injured kids.
01:51:31.000If you're dying from measles, you're sick.
01:51:34.000You're already compromised, which is exactly what happened with COVID, where 90-fucking-plus percent of the people who died had four-plus comorbidities.
01:51:44.000Which is why it was such a red pill for me, because I was, like, literally an ultramarathon runner that was going to the gym, like, three hours a day.
01:51:58.000And the reason why I was talking about Mickey Willis and Plandemic is because the second Plandemic is called Indoctrination.
01:52:04.000And it's basically a magnum opus about how the vaccine industry, this golden cow, is not just like, it's not just one thing or this thing or one thing.
01:52:12.000It's a organized like group of profit takers that has been growing for decades.
01:52:17.000And Bill Gates and he like lays out how Bill Gates got into it and is on camera saying how many profits he's made off of vaccines and how great of a business model vaccines are.
01:52:26.000And vaccines as a concept, great concept, but it is so lucrative if if manipulated and corrupted that really evil people started to do really evil things with it.
01:52:37.000Also, you have complete immunity to liability.
01:52:41.000Well, they got that orchestrated partway through that sequence because they were starting to get sued like fucking crazy.
01:53:22.000Put him on a stand and at least give him a trial to make sure he didn't commit treason or something else, right?
01:53:28.000And maybe he's fine and you let him go and he's just fired.
01:53:31.000But if you're not going to send the Epstein clients to prison, if you're just going to fine a couple people, like 2008 banking collapse, we'll fine all the bankers a little bit and we'll just put one little pawn of a banker in jail.
01:53:44.000That's why we have this crazy fucking, like, 2008 was horrible, but it was by no means the last market crash that we're having.
01:54:08.000They killed 50,000, 60,000 people with Vioxx.
01:54:11.000The thing about white-collar crime is it's real profitable and there's no consequences.
01:54:14.000And they have the media because they sponsor the media.
01:54:17.000And usually they're in bed with these intelligence agencies and organized crime aspects in some The idea that they're not is crazy.
01:54:42.000The idea that you're going to have 94% of the world's opium and you're just going to ignore it while you're occupying the country with a military force and guarding the fields?
01:54:54.000But George H.W. Bush, this is one that's not totally declassified yet, but I've been digging deep into it.
01:54:59.000I got a whole bunch of documents on it, and it's kind of declassified, is that during Vietnam era, we were managing all the opium production and the heroin production in Laos and in the surrounding area, and it was being sold to American service members to make money for the CIA for black operations.
01:55:43.000That's why all the Vietnam veterans came home addicted to heroin.
01:55:47.000Because the CIA was selling heroin to them and to a lot of other parts of the world in order to raise funds for their black budget operations.
01:55:53.000Because the CIA has always had trouble funding all their operations.
01:55:56.000Which is also what they did with crack cocaine in Los Angeles.
01:56:14.000As he grew up and came to power in the CIA, and those other guys that were more competent, Richard Helms being the primary one, Richard Helms and H.W. Bush, they were not involved when he went off on his own and tried to set up the cocaine smuggling.
01:56:26.000And that's why he bungled it so fucking bad, because he was a psychopath that didn't have the skill sets required in order to run something that complex.
01:56:33.000And it eventually, when Barry Seal got popped, he was the guy that was flying the, like, it used to be I'll drive a truck with a brick of cocaine across the border, and then Barry Seal was this military CIA pilot.
01:58:04.000Yeah, learned how to read in jail, became a lawyer in jail, and then realized that the three strikes law had been inaccurately applied to him.
01:59:27.000Yeah, and but they boy did they get fucking attacked boy.
01:59:31.000They have a lot of pressure Yeah, it's like it's so hard to know what's real in the world and unless you have Schellenberger unless you have Glenn Greenwald if you unless you have those people out there That are risking their neck.
01:59:44.000They're sticking their neck out there to tell you exactly what's going on.
02:00:29.000But they try to make it in the new media world, and they're just like, you have no value here, because you were never good at this job.
02:00:35.000You were just good at reading propaganda to us.
02:00:38.000You look good, and you got put on camera.
02:00:39.000Whereas Tucker Carlson gets kicked out and he fucking slays it!
02:00:43.000And he just grows bigger and bigger and bigger because he's not bought and he's not scared and he actually is good at communicating and interviewing and getting to the truth.
02:00:50.000And it's so cool to watch this seismic shifting in the industry.
02:02:14.000Because what propaganda is, is just convincing messaging.
02:02:17.000And if you have convincing messaging in the hands of an evil fucking megalomaniacal dictator, government, CIA, whatever it is, that's really bad.
02:02:25.000But if you have propaganda tools in the hands of regular citizens that have morals and values that want the best for the world, correctly applied, you can fight back against them.
02:02:34.000And so there's this element where I'm like, I'm looking at how do you...
02:02:48.000And accuracy, if you really dig enough and get enough accuracy, that reduces entertainment value.
02:02:54.000But if you find the way to balance entertainment value with accuracy the right way, which is always a moving target, you can change the world.
02:03:02.000Like, I'm a regular dude two years ago.
02:03:03.000I was an Uber Eats driver, an ultra-marathon running guide.
02:03:05.000I was like a no-one in the middle of nowhere.
02:03:07.000And then I'm like, alright, I'll just contribute.
02:03:09.000And I'll start trying to tell these stories, trying to learn and communicate what's going on.
02:03:13.000Well, you also have to have a particular knack for it.
02:03:34.000Well, you're seeing that with a lot of podcasters where they just start off and then they fall off because they can't do it because they're not interested.
02:04:25.000But there's a lot of people that start to suggest that it sounds like we're antennae that are receiving consciousness from some sort of consciousness field or some sort of other, like...
02:04:57.000Because you're talking metaphysics, you're talking physics, you're talking history and disclosure about history and dimension.
02:05:04.000And I suspect that whatever consciousness is coming from is...
02:05:07.000This multiverse, this This consciousness field, this ether, this multidimensional thing, whatever.
02:05:11.000I suspect that's very similar to what UAPs are traversing in and out of and through.
02:05:17.000And I suspect that's very similar to what we identify as either the gods plural, the aliens plural that have these abilities we don't have, as well as gods singular, which is probably the highest up above all of those things.
02:05:30.000I suspect there's a version of all these things that are starting to converge on one truth.
02:05:34.000Because when you learn about remote viewing, that's what really...
02:05:37.000It for me was learning how much money the CIA has invested in remote viewing over the years.
02:05:42.000The CIA is not spending millions and millions of dollars on some crackpot bullshit that's not going to work.
02:05:47.000They would for a little while, but they've been doing it and doing it and doing it.
02:05:50.000And now we've got disclosure from people that are coming out whistleblowing that they are doing it today and I'm in the program and this is how we did it.
02:05:56.000Have you listened to the telepathy tapes?
02:05:58.000I've listened to a few, a little bit of them.
02:06:00.000I've not listened all the way through.
02:06:01.000I had Kai Dickens on the podcast the other day and she explained the whole thing.
02:07:15.000Just like NASA publishes all kinds of footage.
02:07:18.000From like the ISS, to they have live streams, to they do like videos, and no one ever watches it.
02:07:22.000Because like, whoever watches random NASA footage.
02:07:23.000So you think some of the ISS footage is fake?
02:07:26.000There's a lot of footage you can find online that is coming from NASA where there's like little slips or like a guy is like, they're doing their floating shit and then the buddy reaches out and grabs where a wire is to help his buddy get back into frame.
02:07:38.000Like little slips of the mind where they're like just trying to orchestrate.
02:07:43.000I've seen the moon landing footage that looks hokey.
02:07:45.000Yeah, so all I'm saying is that gets cited by flat earthers as like, NASA's covering up flat earth.
02:07:50.000And what I'm saying is that there's a lot of reasons why NASA would cover up and produce fake footage from something like the ISS, and every single one of them rhymes with aliens.
02:07:58.000Because if there's any type of aliens going on up here, it's very possible that they are up there in that fucking space station.
02:08:39.000I'm getting to the point where I'm suspecting that we're going to be finding out that religion is like humans trying to interpret these phenomenon over millennia in all the human ways we would.
02:08:54.000And that does not diminish God at all.
02:08:56.000I almost think it makes God more important and more powerful to understand.
02:09:00.000Because from my understanding, correct me if you have a different one, it sounds like we're getting a lot of reports that are cross-corroborating that there's more than one thing going on here.
02:09:26.000I think the cover-up is the weird part, though.
02:09:31.000It's like, if you go back to Operation Blue Book, when they started doing that, the sole purpose of Operation Blue Book is to take any credible story and make it look ridiculous.
02:10:02.000And did you notice how recently, like a month ago sort of, there was this breaking story that set the whole UAP community on fire about this disclosure that I think Jeremy Corbo was coming out of whistleblowing on, if I remember correctly.
02:10:13.000That they were saying that they're going to trick us by saying that there's a mothership around.
02:12:36.000They're not covering up drones in the 1700s.
02:12:39.000So why are these stories in the fucking Bhagavad Gita?
02:12:43.000I mean, you could make the argument, not the Bhagavad Gita, but you could make the argument that back then people were writing fiction or wanted attention.
02:13:57.000There's people that go so far down these ancient conspiracy theory rabbit holes that I feel like we're getting way off track here, guys.
02:14:02.000We're starting to cite sources that are not credible and we're taking it to places where maybe the Anunnaki were here to mine gold and maybe we're very plausible that we're all genetically engineered, I think.
02:14:14.000But there's a fine line between Maybe that could be true.
02:14:22.000I'm planning to write a book that is sort of like a series of books, really, across my later life, that is basically...
02:14:29.000Imagine writing a book that is set in the...
02:14:31.000You could write ancient books about the old school where if that book was real, you could still wind up in today's world with all the same evidence we have, and it could be real.
02:14:40.000Even if back then it's crazy magic and there's all this crazy shit going on, it could still end up with, oh, the pyramids are left over from that, and oh, the ruins are here after that great flood thing happened.
02:14:50.000And then you could write all kinds of crazy conspiracy theory stories into today that like...
02:14:56.000How could you prove that this is not real?
02:14:58.000I just think that's the most fun aspect is how much we don't know.
02:15:02.000Well, the evidence of ancient technology is one of the more fascinating aspects of trying to piece together our past because Whatever explanation you try to use to make the pyramids, none of them work.
02:16:33.000And they're built on aquaphoras from the Nile flooding every year.
02:16:36.000And every year when the Nile floods, water rushes underneath those pyramids.
02:16:40.000Through these like stony kind of like porous rocky structures under there It's just there's so many interesting versions of what it could be at the very least It's a mystery and it's also a mystery that shows fantastic engineering and construction methods and The ability to move rocks and bring them from 500 miles away through the mountains that are 50 tons.
02:17:25.000Even if it's human beings, let's say it's super sophisticated human beings that lived at the very least 4,500 years ago, because that's the conventional dating of the construction.
02:17:44.000Jimmy Corsetti's done some great videos where he compiles real videos of us moving large objects today, and the trucks breaking and the cranes falling off of cliffs and all this shit of like, look at how hard.
02:18:17.000That's where I start to go, clearly that is connected to these UAP technologies, to these free energy technologies, whatever it is.
02:18:24.000There has to be some sort of reason why covering up how these ancient structures and ancient cultures were built and worked has to relate somehow to something very important and valuable today.
02:18:34.000I think they also have to somehow or another explain it because to say that it's impossible opens up too many doors and it removes the expert.
02:18:44.000Because you're not an expert anymore because you're one of us now.
02:18:47.000You might know more about that site than I do, but you still don't know what the fuck happened.
02:18:53.000So you have to claim or at least push it out there.
02:20:19.000That can house thousands and thousands of people.
02:20:22.000And a couple of smart researchers point out really astutely that if you were doing that to hide from other humans, to protect yourself from other humans, you would never dig into a cave system that you should get drowned in.
02:20:50.000And that's another example of this exact same phenomenon we're talking about of these old control systems that work perfectly well in the old era.
02:20:57.000And now that we have these communication technologies and everyone's getting linked together, it's just the free flow of ideas that just...
02:21:03.000It's like this natural evolution of consciousness and humanity that we just naturally start to break through those...
02:21:13.000And yeah, our choices do matter a lot.
02:21:15.000But also, in some ways, we're all just part of this cosmic system of the evolution.
02:21:20.000We're all just part of this giant humanity system where we're all collectively on balance with all the weird probabilities of all these people.
02:22:22.000Jeffrey Epstein, who was deeply interested in all these same technologies, this is a whole other side of him that no one talks about, is his interest in technologists and geneticists and all those things, right?
02:22:32.000Yeah, well, he had a lot of influence over scientists.
02:22:34.000That's a creepy move to take scientists and bring them...
02:22:37.000Throw parties for them, throw conventions for them.
02:22:39.000And a couple of them had some serious accusations, like Marvin Minsky, for example, but I bet a lot of them were not compromised.
02:22:48.000Everyone freaked out when Stephen Hawking was on the list, but it makes perfect sense.
02:22:52.000You realize that he was throwing conventions on that island for scientists, specifically, to bring them all together because that way you get connections, you can get favors.
02:22:59.000Even if you're not blackmailing them, then they just want to be on your good side because you have all these connections and you can fund all their projects and you become this integral part of this technological sort of space.
02:23:43.000She's been kind of like acting from the back a lot.
02:23:45.000But when you really dig into what Melania's been doing, she's very...
02:23:48.000very active in anti-trafficking and in protecting traffic victims and girls and stuff.
02:23:53.000And as Trump, when he married her, and then they have Barron, and he's watching his son grow up.
02:23:58.000So you have this young child, and you have this wife telling you about her previous life, probably, and just whispering in your ear that, like, this could be your legacy.
02:24:07.000Because he used to be friends with those people, even though I don't think he was blackmailed, because I think that would have come out when the Democrats were going for him.
02:24:14.000And maybe he was involved in the trafficking a little bit because of the things that he bought and the people that he knew and, like, Roy Cohn connections.
02:24:40.000And so I suspect that Melania has been instrumental in his sort of shift to being the only guy willing to go after those traffickers.
02:24:46.000Out of all the information that's getting disclosed, supposedly, this administration, what do you have the least faith that we're going to come to a conclusion?
02:25:26.000Certainly they had help from the CIA. And certainly they had help from these other organized crime and intelligence operations.
02:25:32.000So, for example, Dan Bongino, the new deputy director of the FBI, he recently had this clip that went all around where he said on camera that he had a source that he trusted deeply.
02:25:58.000If this giant group of Jewish billionaires is running a sex trafficking operation targeting American politicians and business people and stuff, you think they're working with an Arab or Muslim nation in the Middle East?
02:26:09.000Like, you think that Leslie Wexner is devoting his entire life to philanthropies on behalf of Israel, but then he's going to work for Saudi Arabia when he's doing this trafficking?
02:26:43.000But Israel's government is every bit as...
02:26:48.000As vulnerable to the deep state effect as the American government.
02:26:52.000But I would argue that Israel's government is way more vulnerable to it because of the people that founded Israel and the way it was founded.
02:26:58.000It was founded in a modern time, much more recently.
02:27:08.000But because of the way that happened, the people that founded Israel were a bunch of organized crime figures in America, the Jewish mob, that were helping with money and with arms.
02:27:22.000And then the people that were there, the three different organizations, the Irgun, the Lehigh Group, and the Haganah, those were the three paramilitary groups that fought to found Israel, and they're like the heroes of Israel, which I understand the narrative that they're heroes, but...
02:27:40.000When Israel was officially founded, they officially designated Irgun and Lehi as terrorist organizations because they had been bombing civilians.
02:27:47.000They'd been bombing British civilians.
02:27:49.000The first official act of terror before they changed the definition was the bombing of the King David Hotel, where these terrorists, these Lehi and Irgun terrorists, a bunch of different groups, the guy who planned that bombing later became the prime minister of Israel.
02:28:06.000And so when those are the groups that are fighting to found that nation, even if all the Jews there are wonderful people, the leadership is inherently composed of these people that have been deeply corrupt for all time.
02:28:19.000And so you get this fertile ground for this kind of deep state effect to take power.
02:28:23.000And when you start to research the heads of state of Israel over history, you realize that a bunch of them were in those groups doing those terrorist acts and have done a bunch of dark stuff because...
02:28:34.000Those were the people that were at the top of that military organization.
02:28:37.000Those terrorist organizations reformed to form the IDF. And what's interesting is you can talk about this now post-October 7th.
02:28:52.000And I was doing a 9-11 video on my YouTube.
02:28:54.000And I knew about the dancing Israeli conspiracy theory that is very much a real set of documents.
02:29:00.000And I knew that I'm not allowed to talk about Israel for some reason, and I didn't really know why.
02:29:04.000And I realized, like, I better fucking understand this thing before I crater my new channel and career on this topic I don't understand.
02:29:11.000If I'm going to take a stance against Israel at all, I should understand why and how.
02:29:16.000So I started doing research, and I shelved that research, and I switched to researching Israel and Palestine and the history there and what's going on.
02:29:23.000And I finished the video, and it was October 6th, and I was like, I was very worried because it's like, you weren't allowed to talk about it.
02:29:32.000And I had just made this whole documentary about the history of Israel-Palestine and the propaganda and what it all was.
02:29:38.000And I published it on October 6th on my Locals channel.
02:29:40.000And I kind of had this, like, lean back and like, if that's the end of the ride and I get canceled for this shit, so be it.
02:29:46.000And then literally the next day, and I'm not saying that October 7th is a good thing, but I'm saying that literally the next day, the entire internet was ablaze about Israel and Palestine and everyone was talking about it.
02:29:55.000And it was the weirdest fucking coincidence, like, And suddenly it was like, oh, all right, let's fucking dig this thing open.
02:30:03.000Because unfortunately, it is, I mean, I think fortunately, I think that the state of the Israeli influence that sustained them for so long, that was essential to them surviving this long, I think that it has grown cancerous to the Jewish faith in general.
02:30:19.000Because Jeffrey Epstein is the perfect example of this.
02:30:22.000Jeffrey Epstein was the world's most...
02:30:25.000Prolific and evil sex trafficker that we know of so far, ever.
02:30:29.000And he very clearly was a Jewish organization of Jewish people working on behalf of Israel and other groups.
02:30:36.000And so that's a dark stain on Israel and on the Jewish people if you own it.
02:30:40.000Like if you try to defend that, that's not good.
02:30:42.000You don't want to have to defend that.
02:30:44.000You want to be free of that kind of shit because the Jewish people don't believe in that.
02:31:05.000Like, you don't want another, like, Jews have been in conflict with other people for ages because they are outsiders and because they are so different and because they group up.
02:31:16.000But you don't, like, as a Jewish person, you're now faced with this choice.
02:31:20.000Do I stand by Israel always, forever, for everything?
02:31:24.000And defend everything they do, or do I get labeled as a self-hating Jew like Dave Smith gets labeled, like Glenn Greenwald gets labeled?
02:31:32.000Do I stand against all of my culture, and do I get ostracized by my family and by my community?
02:31:38.000But the problem is that if you have to defend everything that Israel does, you're forced to defend this fucking deep state that is in bed with these organized crime figures.
02:31:46.000And I would argue that that Israeli deep state is just as much in bed with all the other organized crime as our deep state is, as the Saudi deep state is.
02:31:53.000There's evil people at the top of all these governments.
02:31:55.000Well, the thing is, Israel is connected to one race of people.
02:31:59.000Whereas the United States, which also is involved in a lot of really fucked up things all over the world, when people think about the United States, they don't...
02:32:09.000And so it just puts us all in this impossible situation, and it's an impossible conversation that we all—and I'm glad for it, because it's a maturing process.
02:32:18.000And I think we need to do it very delicately and very carefully and thoughtfully, because Jewish people are people, and they're not evil.
02:32:24.000But there are evil Jewish people, and there are evil American people, and there are evil Saudi people, and that's the way it is.
02:32:30.000And so I welcome the conversation, but unfortunately, the thing— For me, fortunately, is when I first researched it, I came across this documentary on Rumble called The Occupation of the American Mind, which is a very well put together documentary that is mostly Jewish people speaking about the history of Israel and about how they realized in the 80s when there was this specific operation where they wound up bombing this refugee camp called Sabra and Shatilla,
02:32:57.000or a refugee camp in a place called Sabra and Shatilla.
02:33:06.000And it was the first time where Western journalists had taken video cameras over there and video feed were coming back of the conflict of what was happening.
02:33:13.000And American sentiment turned really harshly against Israel in the 80s there.
02:33:20.000We don't need to win just the kinetic war.
02:33:23.000We need to win the ideological war on the global scale.
02:33:25.000Because if we don't win that ideological war, the whole world will turn against us and call us a colonial project, which I would argue they kind of are.
02:33:42.000And they started targeting the United States with propaganda.
02:33:44.000And they hired the world's top propagandists to teach Israelis and Israeli military officials and government officials how to communicate with the West and how to propagandize the West so that we would remain in the dark a little bit.
02:33:56.000That's why we have this veil and this anti-Semitism thing.
02:33:59.000It's why you're not allowed to talk about it.
02:34:21.000This is how you discuss the rockets raining down.
02:34:24.000This is how you discuss the settlements.
02:34:25.000This is how you discuss the occupation and the palace and all these things.
02:34:29.000And they use examples of words that work and words that don't work.
02:34:32.000And when you read it, you realize like, holy shit, that's exactly what politicians have been saying on TV my entire life.
02:34:38.000And they use Obama as one example of really good words that work.
02:34:41.000You should talk like Obama because he's good at sort of empathizing with the other side and making us understand that like we're here.
02:34:50.000I say that to mean that we live inside this propagandized space because it's been essential to them for so long to protect that image in order to continue the deep state element of what they're doing.
02:35:03.000When I would argue that we would all be much better off if...
02:35:32.000I suspect, I'm hoping I'm not blowing the lid on Trump's idea here, I kind of suspect that Trump is kind of in on a coup against Netanyahu right now.
02:35:41.000This is just my theory based upon the way he talked about like I suspect that these powerful Jews, like the Adelson type people, are starting to realize that Netanyahu is kind of sinking this ship.
02:35:55.000And he's kind of fucked it all up, and it's not going well for Israel in the public conversation.
02:36:00.000Like, I can ratio just about anyone I want on Twitter over the Israel thing, because the public sentiment is just shifting.
02:36:06.000And it's not healthy for anyone, for Jewish people or anyone else.
02:36:10.000And I'd suspect that the powerful Jewish people are starting to see that.
02:36:13.000And are starting to scheme on how do we fucking get Netanyahu out of there and put someone in that can actually move us towards some sort of peace.
02:36:23.000Because without a genuine desire for...
02:36:26.000Netanyahu is on fucking camera saying that they have propped up Hamas in the Gaza Strip because they don't want a real government in the Gaza Strip.
02:36:33.000Because it's far better for them to run this occupation and to eventually take the land if Hamas is...
02:38:08.000And the tie that binds all of them together, the Klaus Schwab's of this world, the Jeff Bezos's, and I don't know, maybe Jeff's a good guy.
02:38:16.000But like the people that don't think in terms of these are my people and I love them, but rather I'm like a piece of this global community of billionaires that like our job is just to make money and fucking control the world.
02:38:28.000They live outside of our world and they do not give a shit if COVID kills 10,000 people or 100,000 people or 10 million people, whatever.
02:38:37.000And I'm generalizing because obviously they are individuals and they each have their own perspective on what's going on, but it feels to me from researching there's enough of them that are evil.
02:38:46.000That they're doing some horrible things.
02:38:48.000And the ones that are a little less evil, maybe they know what they're in on.
02:38:53.000Because you don't have to disclose everything.
02:38:55.000And these kinds of plans, like, for example, in a CIA plot to overthrow the government of Guatemala, you're not telling everyone the whole plan.
02:39:05.000They told him that they were going to overthrow a communist that was already taking over the...
02:39:12.000I think they probably told him that he was a Jewish communist because they think they were riding on like FDR's second in command was Henry Morgenthau Jr. And he was deeply aligned with the Jewish, like the rich Jewish kind of powers in the world at that day.
02:39:24.000And there was a lot of anti-Jewish sentiment back then.
02:39:26.000And so I suspect that they told Smedley Butler that like.
02:39:30.000This guy's a fucking Jewish plant and he's part of the Rothschild thing and he's a communist, we need to overthrow him.
02:39:37.000Smedley collected fucking research on them and he went to FDR and he exposed the whole plot.
02:39:41.000But the problem was that FDR couldn't do anything because these people, titans of industry, like the Bushes of the World, the Fords, I don't even know all their names at this point.
02:39:53.000It's been a while since I did that dig.
02:39:55.000He couldn't do anything, and so nothing happened.
02:39:57.000He couldn't charge them because they just said, you just got out of the Great Depression, we will fuck your economy up.