The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2284 - Ian Carroll

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00:00:12.000 Welcome.

00:00:13.000 Dude.

00:00:14.000 Very nice to meet you.

00:00:14.000 Yeah, good to be here, man.

00:00:15.000 So, let's take, first of all, why do we love conspiracy so much? 0.96

00:00:20.000 Because I fucking love them. 0.98

00:00:21.000 Dude. 0.99

00:00:21.000 I love them. 0.99

00:00:22.000 I love finding out the dirty little tactics and secrets and how the government does things and what the fuck's really going on. 0.92

00:00:29.000 Why is it so exciting? 0.95

00:00:31.000 I think it's something like deep down in humanity.

00:00:33.000 It's like, we love storytelling.

00:00:34.000 Yeah.

00:00:35.000 And these days, conspiracy theories are like...

00:00:38.000 I mean, 10 years ago, conspiracy theories were fringe and they were problematic.

00:00:43.000 Tell me about it.

00:00:44.000 Right? 1.00

00:00:44.000 I was a conspiracy theorist way back in the day when you were a fucking nut. 1.00

00:00:48.000 Dude, you were a conspiracy theorist when I was not even here yet. 0.98

00:00:51.000 I was arguing with people about the moon landing on the radio before there was any podcasts.

00:00:56.000 I mean, maybe there's some of the mystery element, but the thing is that so many of them are, it's a knowledge. 0.99

00:01:02.000 It's a thirst for knowledge because some of them are total bullshit. 0.97

00:01:05.000 But some of them are clearly, there's something there. 0.99

00:01:08.000 Clearly.

00:01:08.000 Right?

00:01:09.000 Yeah.

00:01:09.000 And realistically, if you had the journalists of integrity from 19...

00:01:14.000 60s era alive today and they hadn't been bought out and shot in the head and whatever else happened.

00:01:18.000 Dude, I think even in the 60s they were compromised.

00:01:21.000 Well, they were getting bought out.

00:01:22.000 The big one is Woodward with the Watergate story.

00:01:26.000 Oh, yeah.

00:01:27.000 Did you see Bill Murray when I had Bill Murray in here?

00:01:29.000 I haven't watched it yet, no.

00:01:31.000 Bob Woodward wrote Wired, which is about John Belushi. 0.99

00:01:34.000 Bill Murray read five pages of it and he said, holy shit, they framed Nixon. 1.00

00:01:40.000 He said the Bob Woodward story about Belushi was so full of shit. 1.00

00:01:46.000 It was so exaggerated and fake and just filled with nonsense. 1.00

00:01:51.000 He's like, John Belushi was a lightweight.

00:01:54.000 He goes, John Belushi would drink three beers and he'd be drunk.

00:01:56.000 He goes, he was probably the first speedball he ever took and he died from it.

00:02:01.000 Like this whole thing about him being this raving, drug-fueled maniac was totally fabricated.

00:02:07.000 It's a good example of how... 0.99

00:02:10.000 The mainstream narrative had Nixon as a crook.

00:02:13.000 And he's just one of many examples, right?

00:02:16.000 And when you really start to look into it, you realize, I mean, probably not the greatest guy, but what was the real story there?

00:02:23.000 What were they framing?

00:02:23.000 Why were they trying to get him out?

00:02:25.000 This is not a defense of Nixon.

00:02:27.000 Nixon was not a great guy.

00:02:28.000 But Tucker thinks that Nixon knew about...

00:02:31.000 Too much about the JFK assassination and wanted to talk about it.

00:02:34.000 And he started saying, I know who killed JFK. Yeah.

00:02:38.000 And he started yapping. 1.00

00:02:39.000 And they were like, let's get this motherfucker out of here. 0.99

00:02:42.000 And also, one of the terms that he had agreed to, to run for president, was Gerald Ford. 0.99

00:02:49.000 Who was on the fucking Warren Commission? 0.99

00:02:50.000 Bingo. 0.99

00:02:51.000 Gerald Ford as his VP. So Gerald Ford becomes the first ever non-elected president.

00:02:57.000 He slips in. 0.99

00:02:58.000 He becomes president for kind of a bullshit term. 1.00

00:03:02.000 Yep. 1.00

00:03:02.000 Does a whole bunch of war party things and just a whole bunch of bullshit. 1.00

00:03:04.000 And we decide that Nixon was the real problem with the country. 0.97

00:03:08.000 I mean, how often is it that they're allowing someone that they aren't sure about to get to president and they're sticking them with a VP that is their guy, right?

00:03:17.000 Oh, yeah.

00:03:17.000 Dick Cheney LBJ with JFK Dick Cheney Dick Cheney Mike Pence Mike Pence I don't know what the hell to think about Mike Pence Pence is like a preacher.

00:03:27.000 I think he was good to get the fucking religious people. 0.99

00:03:30.000 Super rhino, super like, yeah. 1.00

00:03:32.000 Weird guy. 0.92

00:03:33.000 But I mean, Trump is a weird guy too.

00:03:34.000 Like, who knows what's going on with Trump right now? 1.00

00:03:36.000 He's an animal. 0.76

00:03:37.000 He's the most fun ever.

00:03:39.000 I love Trump conspiracy theories because people get so riled up and it's so partisan and political, but within it, there's all this like juicy, Like, meat for thinking about, it's like not even conspiracy theories, it's just like his history.

00:03:53.000 Right.

00:03:54.000 And especially with the Epstein stuff now and his history with Epstein, it just gets me so interested in, you'll never know the real story.

00:04:00.000 But here's the thing about theories and stuff.

00:04:03.000 There's so many things that are so weird that you would think, wait a minute, this can't be real, this is fake.

00:04:11.000 Yup.

00:04:12.000 And then it's connected to real-life events in some sort of a way that you would think there's a conspiracy.

00:04:17.000 Like, here's one of my favorites is Little Baron Trump's...

00:04:22.000 Yeah, dude, I just got the book.

00:04:24.000 It just came in the mail.

00:04:25.000 Insane!

00:04:25.000 Have you read it?

00:04:26.000 No!

00:04:26.000 Dude, I'm gonna read it.

00:04:27.000 I just got it.

00:04:27.000 I should buy it.

00:04:28.000 I should buy the book before it gets bought out.

00:04:29.000 I got it in a three-part series that has the Baron Trump one, and then the last president, and there's one other one.

00:04:35.000 And then how about the Wernher von Braun one about a guy named Elon that takes us to Mars?

00:04:40.000 I haven't read that one yet.

00:04:43.000 you know, Operation Paperclip and became the head of NASA.

00:04:46.000 Super occultist kind of stuff in there.

00:04:48.000 Right, right, it's a novel about a guy named Elon that takes us to Mars.

00:04:53.000 And even Elon saw that and he's like, is this real?

00:04:56.000 Like, you would think, there's no way.

00:04:59.000 I mean, simultaneous to us kind of getting like some version of UAP disclosure that implies time travel, which is like, Lord knows what that is.

00:05:07.000 But it's just so fun to speculate because it's like, How would we know?

00:05:12.000 Yeah, how would we know? 1.00

00:05:13.000 And the whole UAP thing, boy, you want to find a cauldron of bullshit. 1.00

00:05:18.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:05:19.000 That's the cauldron.

00:05:20.000 Oh, yeah.

00:05:20.000 Do you know who's got the best take on it?

00:05:23.000 Is Jacques Vallée.

00:05:25.000 I'm in the middle of- I've not seen a lot of his stuff.

00:05:27.000 My third book of his right now.

00:05:29.000 And it's, I'll tell you what it's called.

00:05:31.000 Yeah, I should read some.

00:05:33.000 He's the best.

00:05:35.000 Why do you say he's the best?

00:05:36.000 Like, what's your qualifier then? 0.73

00:05:38.000 I'm on this one, Confrontations, which is one of a three-part series of human interactions that have been documented with some sort of an invader from some other dimension or planet or whatever the fuck it is.

00:05:53.000 Is the most rational. 0.81

00:05:55.000 He's the most analytical. 0.62

00:05:57.000 He's the least likely to buy into horseshit, but not dismissive.

00:06:02.000 That's like the critical balance, right? 0.94

00:06:04.000 Yes.

00:06:04.000 Well, he's the guy that they modeled the French scientist in Close Encounters of the Third Kind after.

00:06:10.000 So he's been in this game since the 60s investigating these things.

00:06:14.000 And time in the game.

00:06:16.000 It counts for a ton.

00:06:17.000 It counts for so much.

00:06:18.000 And that's my greatest weakness in a lot of ways, among several, is that I'm just really new to the game, and so I'm constantly catching up on shit, and as stuff breaks, like Pambandi, for example, I have no history on who Pambandi is because I wasn't paying attention when Pambandi was in Florida.

00:06:33.000 And so I'm having to play catch-up on what was going on.

00:06:36.000 And the people that have been here for forever, like the Alex Joneses of this world, the Jacques Vallées, the people that watch things break live, you just get a different level of And then you get like the David Ikes that are like... 0.99

00:06:48.000 It's fucking reptiles, dude. 0.99

00:06:50.000 They're all reptiles. 1.00

00:06:51.000 David, have you seen David coming after me on Twitter recently?

00:06:54.000 He came after me, too.

00:06:55.000 Dude, it's so good.

00:06:56.000 I love him.

00:06:57.000 I make fun of the reptile thing, and it's like, why won't you have me on?

00:07:00.000 I genuinely really appreciate it.

00:07:02.000 It's like a good time.

00:07:03.000 And it's like, maybe there are reptiles.

00:07:04.000 I don't know, man.

00:07:05.000 He went too far in time where there was no internet.

00:07:08.000 Yeah.

00:07:08.000 You know, he went too far.

00:07:09.000 It's so you get too certain of yourself, right?

00:07:11.000 You think you have the answers, and you just keep going.

00:07:14.000 A little bit of a grift with some of these folks.

00:07:16.000 I'm not saying necessarily him.

00:07:18.000 But it's a little bit of a grift.

00:07:19.000 Well, it's an easy temptation to fall into, especially with the internet.

00:07:22.000 Like, every single day, people in my position...

00:07:25.000 I mean, people in your position, too.

00:07:26.000 Like, we have the ability to just, like, I'm gonna get views and money if I drop deep down this grift.

00:07:32.000 But a lot of them are not...

00:07:33.000 Like, a lot of them, when you look into them, you realize, oh, there's, like, literally nothing there.

00:07:37.000 There's a bunch of stuff that's clickbait horseshit, for sure.

00:07:40.000 Or at least there's probably nothing there.

00:07:41.000 Yeah.

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00:09:26.000 The one that I just recently kind of was reminded of is, you know the story that Disney sent kids to Epstein Island?

00:09:34.000 Yeah, I did hear that.

00:09:36.000 Such a money conspiracy theory.

00:09:38.000 It's not true.

00:09:39.000 It's when you look it up, you realize that...

00:09:42.000 I mean, a lot of the information is kind of gone.

00:09:43.000 It's hard to even tell if it's legitimate websites and information, which is already a red flag.

00:09:47.000 But the ones that are still up, they just sent them into, like, they were going on cruises that happened to be in the vicinity of the island.

00:09:54.000 That's totally different than sending kids to the island.

00:09:55.000 Which is a very popular vacation destination.

00:09:58.000 And so it becomes this, like, and that's kind of the, I think that's the fun part of the game.

00:10:02.000 We thought about buying the island.

00:10:04.000 Dude!

00:10:04.000 When the island was for sale, we talked about it for a second.

00:10:08.000 Let's put some of that Spotify money to use.

00:10:10.000 That would be funny.

00:10:11.000 I think they would have stopped you, dude.

00:10:13.000 I think someone would have stopped you.

00:10:15.000 100%.

00:10:15.000 Me?

00:10:16.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:10:16.000 I can't shut the fuck up. 0.99

00:10:18.000 Because there's shit underneath that island. 1.00

00:10:19.000 No doubt. 1.00

00:10:19.000 For sure, dude. 1.00

00:10:20.000 There's got to be something on that island that's incriminating.

00:10:22.000 And also, what's in the walls?

00:10:25.000 What's in the walls of the buildings?

00:10:27.000 Like, I would get into the wiring.

00:10:29.000 I'd bring in pros.

00:10:30.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

00:10:30.000 I'd be like, tell me what the fuck's going on. 0.99

00:10:31.000 What's under the dirt? 1.00

00:10:32.000 I'd scan the fucking floors. 0.99

00:10:34.000 Yeah, LiDAR, the ocean floor, and the surrounding miles. 1.00

00:10:37.000 Also, he's dead. 1.00

00:10:38.000 So if he ever fucking hid some shit. 1.00

00:10:40.000 In there. 1.00

00:10:41.000 No one knows where it is.

00:10:42.000 Yep.

00:10:43.000 They're going to raise that building.

00:10:45.000 He's probably dead.

00:10:45.000 I assume he's dead.

00:10:46.000 But there was so much shit around it that I don't feel 100% sure. 0.99

00:10:51.000 I feel like 95% sure that he's dead. 0.99

00:10:53.000 98% sure that he's dead.

00:10:54.000 Right.

00:10:55.000 I wouldn't go 100% either.

00:10:56.000 Yeah, right?

00:10:56.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:10:57.000 It's like there's very few things I feel 100% sure about.

00:10:59.000 But they did do an autopsy.

00:11:00.000 But they did an autopsy on JFK, too.

00:11:02.000 And it was not his body.

00:11:03.000 Well, sort of.

00:11:05.000 They did two autopsies.

00:11:07.000 Well, they did...

00:11:09.000 The initial examination of the body was in Dallas, and then they flew it to Bethesda.

00:11:14.000 The thing about that is, and this is a part of David Lifton's book, Best Evidence, which made me become a conspiracy theorist.

00:11:23.000 I've never read it. 0.97

00:11:23.000 It's fucking great. 0.97

00:11:25.000 And David Lifton, who is an accountant, they gave him, I forget what the project was, but it was something to do with the Warren Commission report. 0.98

00:11:34.000 This guy's like a serious bookworm. 0.97

00:11:36.000 He read the entire Warren Commission, which fucking nobody does. 0.99

00:11:40.000 And it's like 9,000 pages. 0.99

00:11:42.000 That's a superpower.

00:11:43.000 Being able to read like that?

00:11:44.000 Exactly.

00:11:45.000 And find contradictions over and over and over again. 0.98

00:11:48.000 He's like, this is horseshit. 0.99

00:11:49.000 This whole thing is horseshit. 0.99

00:11:50.000 And then he found out that Kennedy's brain was missing when it got all the way to Bethesda. 0.98

00:11:55.000 He found out that the Dallas doctors said that the neck wound was an entry wound.

00:12:01.000 And then the ones in Bethesda turned it in.

00:12:03.000 A tracheotomy hole.

00:12:05.000 It was a bullet hole.

00:12:06.000 He got shot.

00:12:06.000 You could see him go like that.

00:12:08.000 The garbage all over the place.

00:12:08.000 And then you could also see his face get blown off, and they published photos of him from the official autopsy where his face was visible.

00:12:15.000 I have a theory, and this is just mine.

00:12:17.000 Yeah, I'm really curious to hear yours.

00:12:18.000 I'm sure I'm not the only one.

00:12:19.000 I think he got shot in the head at the same time from two different directions.

00:12:23.000 That's a good theory, honestly.

00:12:24.000 Because there's a bit of spray that goes forward, which is not...

00:12:30.000 Things are weird when you hit them with bullets.

00:12:33.000 People have shot people in the head and the bullets come out their eye.

00:12:36.000 It ricochets around a.22 or something like that.

00:12:40.000 Weird things happen when you shoot things, but some things are super consistent.

00:12:44.000 And one thing that's super consistent is when you hit something, it goes in the direction that you hit it, right?

00:12:50.000 So back and to the left.

00:12:52.000 Hicks used to talk about that all the time.

00:12:54.000 Back and to the left.

00:12:55.000 Making fun of the fact that the Zapruder film clearly showed that it wasn't a shot from the back.

00:13:00.000 But the head goes spray, too.

00:13:03.000 It goes spray like this back and to the left.

00:13:05.000 Can we see it?

00:13:06.000 Let's see it real quick.

00:13:07.000 Yeah, something I love about the JFK story is that there are so many deep experts that have really done the dig, and they don't all come to the same conclusions.

00:13:15.000 Here's the thing about Lifton's book.

00:13:16.000 He also documents how many witnesses were murdered.

00:13:19.000 And it's astounding.

00:13:20.000 That's the part that often gets left off, too. 0.97

00:13:23.000 All these witnesses, their cars got parked on railroad tracks, and they died of heart attacks when they were 30, and they got fucking shot in a robbery, and they committed suicide, gas, they fell asleep in their car. 0.96

00:13:34.000 Man, Hillary Clinton sure got started early. 1.00

00:13:38.000 Back into the left.

00:13:40.000 Watch this.

00:13:41.000 Watch the explosion.

00:13:43.000 Yeah, because he's already hitting the neck.

00:13:46.000 You're totally right.

00:13:47.000 It's like a cloud in the front, right?

00:13:49.000 I mean, it could be that the top of his head exploded right there, and the force drives him back.

00:13:58.000 There's another possibility, and the possibility is spontaneous nerve reaction of your body shutting down, which could cause you to go back into the left, even if you get shot in the front.

00:14:12.000 But the thing is, the spray...

00:14:16.000 Or if you get shot in the back rather, the spray looks like it's going forward.

00:14:21.000 We'll watch when he gets hit.

00:14:23.000 See that?

00:14:24.000 Yep.

00:14:25.000 It's just weird.

00:14:26.000 But the thing is, there's not a bullet hole on the other side.

00:14:31.000 So that could be just the opening of the head, and it's an explosion of blood that comes out.

00:14:37.000 Also, you have to realize, he's probably bleeding internally already.

00:14:41.000 He got shot in the neck.

00:14:42.000 So he gets shot here.

00:14:44.000 There's probably blood spraying all over the place inside of his head.

00:14:47.000 And then, boom, he gets shot in the front of his head.

00:14:49.000 But his head clearly goes back into the left.

00:14:52.000 Like, almost instant...

00:14:55.000 In a way that you would imagine if someone got hit like that.

00:14:59.000 Watch this again.

00:15:02.000 Boom, he gets hit.

00:15:03.000 Good catch on that frame.

00:15:04.000 And then back.

00:15:05.000 And it's all gone.

00:15:06.000 His face is just clearly open right there.

00:15:09.000 And it's clearly not a shot from behind.

00:15:11.000 It's definitely not a shot from behind because there's no entry wound in the back of his head.

00:15:16.000 And if you're saying that that thing hit the front of his head...

00:15:19.000 Or the side of his head from behind like that?

00:15:22.000 I feel like if there was a conspiracy theorist training course, the JFK assassination would be the perfect dry run training course to build it around because you have all the pieces.

00:15:33.000 You have a complex conspiracy with unknown actors from intelligence agencies and organized crime and maybe multiple governments and we don't know all that.

00:15:41.000 Then you have a complex cover-up that evolved over time.

00:15:45.000 You have researchers, you have bad information being fed in.

00:15:49.000 From outside, you have conspiracy theorists that are taking it in directions that are corroborable.

00:15:54.000 It's got all the things that you need to both learn how to dig into and learn how to watch out for.

00:15:58.000 It's a lot of fun.

00:15:59.000 Well, and also, people didn't really get serious about it until about 12 years after the assassination.

00:16:05.000 So when Geraldo Rivera has Dick Gregory on his show...

00:16:08.000 Oh, what is this?

00:16:11.000 Ooh! 0.96

00:16:12.000 Have you guys ever heard the theory that frames were taken out of the Zapruder film to make it look like the car never slowed down?

00:16:18.000 That's crazy.

00:16:20.000 That's bizarre.

00:16:21.000 The thing is, I don't know how to trust things like AI reconstructions of videos.

00:16:25.000 Let's just trust it, bro.

00:16:26.000 It's fine.

00:16:28.000 Boom! 0.99

00:16:28.000 Oh my goodness. 0.99

00:16:30.000 Dude, poor Jackie, man.

00:16:31.000 That is so crazy.

00:16:33.000 Oh my god, that's so crazy.

00:16:35.000 The theory about the driver shooting him, that's the one I've never bought, honestly.

00:16:39.000 No, no.

00:16:40.000 People always say the driver turned around and shot him and said, no.

00:16:43.000 I think that's one of those theories that probably the government created. 1.00

00:16:46.000 That's one of those theories to make people look stupid. 0.99

00:16:50.000 There's an open piece of evidence of some kids that showed up covered in mud at a car shop that they worked at. 1.00

00:16:56.000 It was like a dry day.

00:16:57.000 They showed up covered in mud.

00:16:58.000 And there's a certain guy that theorized that they were hiding in a manhole and shot up at him out of the manhole.

00:17:03.000 And that the car slows down in real life.

00:17:06.000 And that witnesses saw the car slow down.

00:17:09.000 And that there's dropped frames from the Zapruder film.

00:17:11.000 And it's like these are these kind of theories where it's like it's like how do you dig into that and like prove that and the answer is you have to get to primary sources.

00:17:19.000 You have to get to like is there a police report for that kid showing up like is there is that location real like can you corroborate any of this.

00:17:27.000 Right. 0.95

00:17:27.000 And the unfortunate truth is you could if you could fucking see the files that our government was hiding from us. 0.95

00:17:34.000 Theoretically, anyways. 0.86

00:17:35.000 They're supposed to be released soon.

00:17:37.000 Have some patience.

00:17:38.000 Dude, they're releasing tomorrow, Joe.

00:17:39.000 Can you...

00:17:40.000 Is that real?

00:17:40.000 No.

00:17:43.000 It's like every day's Christmas.

00:17:44.000 Yeah, for real.

00:17:45.000 Can you Google David Lifton witnesses of the JFK assassination odds?

00:17:56.000 Because he did some sort of a calculation of the odds of all these people dying the way they died.

00:18:03.000 Yeah, dude.

00:18:03.000 And it's millions to one.

00:18:05.000 It's nuts.

00:18:07.000 That's a big part of what I do.

00:18:09.000 How likely is it that this is a coincidence?

00:18:11.000 Is it even possible?

00:18:12.000 Right.

00:18:13.000 That one's very unlikely, which means they were killing witnesses.

00:18:16.000 Someone was killing witnesses.

00:18:18.000 I think there was people shooting from the back and the front.

00:18:21.000 I think Lee Harvey Oswald...

00:18:22.000 People want to say it's one or zero.

00:18:24.000 I think Lee Harvey Oswald was in on it.

00:18:25.000 I think Lee Harvey Oswald probably didn't shoot the president, though.

00:18:30.000 But he might have.

00:18:31.000 He might have hit him in the back.

00:18:32.000 Because there was a shot in the back, too.

00:18:34.000 You know, the whole reason why they had to call this a tracheotomy is the same reason why they had to come up with a single bullet theory.

00:18:39.000 Exactly.

00:18:40.000 Yeah, so you're deep in this.

00:18:41.000 Because you've got to explain it.

00:18:41.000 Well, I'm not...

00:18:42.000 Do you know about the ricochet underneath the overpass?

00:18:45.000 Yeah.

00:18:46.000 Yeah, like I'm deep enough to know the basics, but there's so many layers, and you have to read the books, you have to watch the films, you have to see the interviews.

00:18:54.000 You've got to talk to Oliver Stone.

00:18:54.000 Exactly.

00:18:54.000 Oliver Stone just goes off.

00:18:56.000 And that's why I was curious to hear your takes, because you've actually talked to these people.

00:18:59.000 The best. 0.97

00:19:00.000 Because he's been studying this for fucking ever. 0.97

00:19:04.000 And he can tell you exactly what's going on with Dulles. 0.98

00:19:08.000 And he's not just been studying it forever.

00:19:09.000 He's been studying the actual primary source documents themselves.

00:19:12.000 And reading the real archives that are released.

00:19:14.000 And then...

00:19:15.000 There's a wild connection between Jolly West and Jack Ruby.

00:19:20.000 Oh, yeah.

00:19:21.000 Jolly West is crazy.

00:19:22.000 Have you read Chaos yet?

00:19:23.000 Yes.

00:19:24.000 Dude.

00:19:25.000 So I didn't know about Jolly until I read Chaos.

00:19:28.000 And then I started digging in, because I knew about MKUltra.

00:19:31.000 I'm like, I had been learning about MKUltra when I was a kid, like, doing psychedelics.

00:19:35.000 But I didn't really understand anything about that history or anything around the CIA back then.

00:19:39.000 They ran the Haight-Ashbury Free Clinic.

00:19:41.000 Oh, yeah.

00:19:42.000 And they closed it down after Chaos came out.

00:19:45.000 No way?

00:19:46.000 Yes way.

00:19:47.000 So just recently, huh?

00:19:48.000 The entire time they had been running this clinic.

00:19:52.000 It's not like they were running the clinic and they said, you know what, let's not run the clinic anymore.

00:19:56.000 Let's just give it to regular doctors.

00:19:57.000 70s are over.

00:19:57.000 It's over.

00:19:58.000 The peace and war bullshit, or peace and love bullshit, that's over. 0.99

00:20:01.000 Yeah, one of the conspiracy theories that's coming out this week. 0.99

00:20:05.000 Really?

00:20:06.000 This week?

00:20:06.000 Tom O'Neill is my friend Greg's longtime friend and former neighbor.

00:20:12.000 Well, I think they're still neighbors.

00:20:14.000 But they were neighbors in New York and then they were neighbors in California.

00:20:17.000 That's a pretty cool neighbor.

00:20:18.000 Yeah, very cool neighbor. 0.99

00:20:19.000 But this guy's been working on this one fucking story for 20 years. 0.99

00:20:24.000 Can you imagine just pulling your hair out, just going crazy for 20 years? 0.99

00:20:28.000 No, I'm a generalist and I rely on people like that because I could never stay with something for that long.

00:20:33.000 No, he could have wrote...

00:20:34.000 He's written many other books on the exact same subject.

00:20:38.000 He can keep going.

00:20:39.000 Like, part two, more I know.

00:20:40.000 Part three, more I know.

00:20:41.000 He could have written a book about each of those sketchy dudes that he had questions about.

00:20:45.000 Right.

00:20:45.000 Each of those CIA guys, each of those weird doctors.

00:20:48.000 Well, each of those times.

00:20:49.000 How about each time that Manson got away with committing crimes?

00:20:53.000 Oh, yeah.

00:20:53.000 And the girls, too.

00:20:54.000 Yeah.

00:20:54.000 And they're like, oh, it's above our pay grade.

00:20:56.000 Yeah.

00:20:56.000 So they were paying people.

00:20:58.000 To do this.

00:20:59.000 They were giving the Manson family LSD and money.

00:21:03.000 They were allowing them to commit crimes.

00:21:05.000 And the whole idea was just to change the idea of what people thought of as hippies.

00:21:10.000 And to stop the anti-war movement.

00:21:12.000 And also to see what they can get away with.

00:21:14.000 I suspect they're...

00:21:16.000 I mean, to me, the big question is that seems like the first...

00:21:19.000 Like, for sure, that's going on, right?

00:21:20.000 Yeah.

00:21:20.000 Is to co-opt the hippie...

00:21:22.000 I mean, first, the hippie movement probably was to co-opt the anti-war movement.

00:21:25.000 That was pretty buttoned up.

00:21:26.000 Yes.

00:21:26.000 I suspect that...

00:21:27.000 LSD did not just escape the lab. 0.94

00:21:29.000 I suspect they were like, quick, turn all these kids into crazy hippies. 0.92

00:21:33.000 Like, try this out, try this out, try this out. 0.92

00:21:35.000 Really?

00:21:36.000 Yeah, so check this out.

00:21:37.000 Have you read Strange Scenes Inside Laurel Canyon?

00:21:40.000 I started to read it.

00:21:41.000 I have not finished it.

00:21:42.000 So, I mean, even just the first chapter, right?

00:21:44.000 So if you take that book's premise, it's basically that before the hippie movement...

00:21:49.000 There was a very powerful organized anti-war movement led by a bunch of Quakers, a bunch of black activists, a bunch of, like, my dad was one of them.

00:21:56.000 And it was not this hippie fringe thing.

00:21:58.000 It was a very powerful anti-Vietnam protest.

00:22:01.000 And the moment that LSD gets introduced, it becomes all peace and love.

00:22:05.000 And he points out in that book how all of these people, like Frank Zappa, like, lead members of The Doors, people organized the Monterey Pop Festival over and over and over.

00:22:14.000 Like, he probably has two to three dozen examples specifically he goes deep into.

00:22:18.000 They all just...

00:22:18.000 People just happen to move from wherever they are all over the world into this area in LA that is not a hotbed for music.

00:22:26.000 And they all just start making music about peace and love and doing LSD.

00:22:28.000 And all of them have parents that are from special forces, intelligence operations, Pentagon.

00:22:34.000 Like some of the musicians themselves have backgrounds that look exactly like CIA operatives that were doing like revolutions in Cuba and overseas.

00:22:43.000 Like who in specific?

00:22:44.000 Like the lead singer of The Doors, Jim Morrison, for example.

00:22:49.000 Frank Zappa.

00:22:50.000 So Frank Zappa's one where his dad and his mom were both Frank Zappa's dad worked at the base that was like the chemical weapons, like where they did their chemical weapons research.

00:23:01.000 His dad was a chemical weapons specialist in like top secret clearances, which is basically like when you read about what his dad was, it sounds a lot like what MKUltra would be.

00:23:11.000 It sounds a lot like what you would...

00:23:14.000 Drug experiments.

00:23:16.000 Chemical weapons is drug experiments?

00:23:17.000 Chemical is the wrong word.

00:23:20.000 Psychological operations.

00:23:22.000 But it's right there.

00:23:23.000 It's on his Wikipedia page.

00:23:24.000 It's not hard to find these things.

00:23:26.000 What that guy did...

00:23:27.000 I'm forgetting who wrote the book.

00:23:29.000 But what he did was not like find uncovered evidence that had never been uncovered.

00:23:33.000 He just looked at all these different people whose histories were very public.

00:23:37.000 But he put it all together and realized like that's a lot of people that all moved to this one place and all started producing music that was like all within this one thing.

00:23:47.000 Like Jim Morrison, his dad was the lead commander of the boat that was in the Gulf of Tonkin that started the Vietnam War.

00:23:54.000 That's like kind of a weird coincidence.

00:23:57.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:23:58.000 And you could definitely make the explanation that kids often rebel against their parents, Kids often step out of line and are like, like, fuck the old way. 0.97

00:24:06.000 But a lot of them were Ex-military, like directly ex-suits and ex-CIA. Was Morrison an ex-military man? 0.97

00:24:14.000 No, Morrison, I don't believe he was.

00:24:16.000 Why do you think that he looks like a CIA operative?

00:24:19.000 No, no, not Morrison.

00:24:20.000 I was saying Frank's...

00:24:22.000 But you said lead singer of the Doors, too.

00:24:23.000 No, that was just me giving examples.

00:24:25.000 The guy specifically that he said that had the history that was...

00:24:29.000 He was doing a...

00:24:31.000 What looked like color revolutions in Cuba.

00:24:34.000 Because I'm not super familiar with the music of that time, I might forget what band he was in.

00:24:39.000 It might have been the Mamas and the Papas. 1.00

00:24:41.000 There was a couple of guys in the Mamas and Papas that he did deep dives in.

00:24:44.000 But here's the question.

00:24:46.000 You can't...

00:24:47.000 You can't fake talent.

00:24:52.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:24:53.000 Well, a lot of them didn't write their own songs.

00:24:55.000 Yeah, but... 0.98

00:24:55.000 Jim Morrison was fucking good. 0.98

00:24:59.000 Oh, no, Jim. 0.99

00:25:00.000 Yeah, some of them were great. 0.99

00:25:01.000 Jim Morrison was fucking good. 0.98

00:25:02.000 Some of them were great. 0.99

00:25:02.000 And Frank Zappa was great. 0.99

00:25:04.000 Crazy great.

00:25:04.000 But this is the thing.

00:25:05.000 It's like, you can't, like...

00:25:07.000 100%.

00:25:08.000 I don't think...

00:25:09.000 But here's the thing.

00:25:10.000 They could push people with talent that they also could use to further their agenda.

00:25:16.000 Yeah.

00:25:16.000 And make those people more popular than they would be organically.

00:25:19.000 Yeah.

00:25:19.000 And put a lot of emphasis behind it.

00:25:21.000 The reason why this tracks is because what Nixon did.

00:25:26.000 So with...

00:25:27.000 With the sweeping psychedelic act of 1970, they passed this.

00:25:32.000 They made mushrooms and all these different things illegal so that they could go after the civil rights activists and the anti-war activists and the Black Panthers.

00:25:40.000 They shut them all down.

00:25:41.000 They shut them all down.

00:25:42.000 Go after them for having these things that were societal disruptors.

00:25:47.000 It also makes fertile ground for COINTELPRO. When you have things like drugs and drug culture, like fertile ground for COINTELPREM. Well, this is the big thing about Jolly West and Manson is that Jolly West allegedly taught Manson how to use psychedelics and manipulate people.

00:26:03.000 And oftentimes when Manson was with the family, apparently he pretended to take LSD and they all took it.

00:26:10.000 And then he would manipulate them.

00:26:11.000 And then he did like hypnotism and like weird speeches.

00:26:14.000 Like it really does look like and the thing is that I respect Tom O'Neill so much because he didn't try to claim things he couldn't prove.

00:26:20.000 Right.

00:26:20.000 But he just put it all out there and is like, this is what I'm seeing and say, think what you think.

00:26:24.000 And it looks to me like like you're saying that Manson was either directly trained to practice these things and carry them out.

00:26:32.000 Or he was sort of like a patsy in the operation that they kind of like gave him the setting within which to just go along his megalomaniacal impulses and just kind of kept tabs on him and kept him safe and just kept him going.

00:26:44.000 I think he wasn't a part of it because of how effective he was.

00:26:48.000 They visited him in prison.

00:26:50.000 Oh, yeah.

00:26:50.000 This is why I think he's a part of it.

00:26:52.000 I think they've recognized in prison, like, look, you got two choices. 0.99

00:26:55.000 You could be in jail for the rest of your fucking life, or we can work for you. 0.99

00:26:58.000 We think you're brilliant. 1.00

00:27:00.000 We think you're an amazing mind of untapped talent.

00:27:03.000 And, you know, you pray to this narcissist ego, and you start telling him things, and the next thing you know, he's out there in the street working for you like a little hoe. 0.99

00:27:11.000 It's crazy how many people that wind up in these weird positions came out of, like...

00:27:15.000 You were in prison, then you got released, or you were in, like, trouble, and then you got...

00:27:19.000 And the girls, like, the girls, it's crazy.

00:27:21.000 Those girls, like, some of them had committed some minor crimes, but a lot of them were just regular people. 0.94

00:27:25.000 And then suddenly they become, like, absolute, like, murderers.

00:27:29.000 Like, dark, dark murders.

00:27:31.000 Those were... 0.52

00:27:31.000 Gross. 0.52

00:27:32.000 Well, I think mind control is real, right? 0.94

00:27:36.000 100%. 0.91

00:27:36.000 I think hypnosis is real, acid is real, and then the techniques that they've developed over decades of fucking with people with these drugs, they know what to do. 0.91

00:27:46.000 Yeah.

00:27:46.000 I mean, the dark thing that, I mean, we don't need to go into it because it's real dark.

00:27:50.000 But I think that when you study the MKUltra files, and this is where there's a lot of conspiracy theories that are hard to prove.

00:27:56.000 There's a bunch of witness victim testimony, but it's hard to prove.

00:27:58.000 Is the Monarch programs are an alleged program that never got disclosed.

00:28:02.000 And that's all the programs that are hidden behind child sexual abuse being a part of mind control.

00:28:07.000 Because a lot of the drugs, like, they can break people's minds and they can be involved in mind control.

00:28:13.000 But a lot of those papers talk about dissociative identity disorder as, like, the holy grail of that Manchurian candidate concept.

00:28:19.000 And it makes a lot of sense if you know how dissociative identity disorder works.

00:28:23.000 Right.

00:28:24.000 And that is most commonly associated with dark, grim childhood sexual abuse.

00:28:28.000 And then you get all these victim testimonies, hundreds and hundreds of people these days talking about how they were a part of these programs.

00:28:35.000 Like people that were on Epstein's Island that claimed to have been victimized as children and subjected to mind control experiments.

00:28:43.000 Paired with childhood sexual abuse.

00:28:45.000 It's just so hard to believe that people are that evil, but they have been throughout history.

00:28:50.000 This is why it's weird.

00:28:51.000 It's like we'll look back on the Victorian era or we'll look back on the man-boy love of the Socrates era.

00:29:00.000 We'll go, that's just back then.

00:29:02.000 We've evolved now.

00:29:03.000 We don't do that anymore.

00:29:05.000 But when they've identified specific aspects of traumatic past that they can use.

00:29:12.000 These particular victims of trauma, of childhood trauma, and take them and turn them into weapons.

00:29:20.000 That's so wild.

00:29:22.000 But that is an asset, right? 0.99

00:29:24.000 If you've got someone who's so fucking crazy, you could talk to them and get them to do things and give them acid and get them to Sirhan Sirhan levels or whatever the fuck they did to Jack Ruby. 0.98

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00:31:01.000 slash audio.

00:31:03.000 Yeah, I mean...

00:31:04.000 You get people to do things.

00:31:05.000 Break Jack Ruby's mind in an instant, like...

00:31:07.000 In jail, yeah.

00:31:08.000 And the craziest thing is that we've been living in a world where for all of our history until the internet, and really until recent internet history, they could do those things and just...

00:31:17.000 Not have anyone report on it.

00:31:18.000 Exactly.

00:31:18.000 And so no one would ever even know.

00:31:20.000 And I think that there's this feeling that the world is so dark right now because we're learning everything.

00:31:25.000 Exactly.

00:31:25.000 And I actually take the opposite view.

00:31:27.000 I think that the light is being shown and the world is super dark.

00:31:30.000 There's all kinds of crazy, horrible people, but there's all kinds of crazy good people, everything in between.

00:31:34.000 Yeah.

00:31:35.000 And you have to shine the light on it all before you can fix it.

00:31:38.000 Absolutely.

00:31:39.000 Right?

00:31:39.000 And I think that's one of the more fascinating things about...

00:31:43.000 The fact that this is a weird time for uncovering federal corruption, right?

00:31:49.000 And I think they're in real trouble because I don't think they can use their phones.

00:31:54.000 I don't think they can do the things that they used to be able to do.

00:31:57.000 That's a good point.

00:31:58.000 And I don't think they're united.

00:31:59.000 I hadn't thought about that.

00:32:00.000 They're definitely not united.

00:32:01.000 Right.

00:32:02.000 100%.

00:32:02.000 There's rats in that ship.

00:32:04.000 Oh, yeah.

00:32:04.000 There's rats in that ship.

00:32:05.000 And I think everybody's scared, and everybody's worried that people are wearing camera buttons.

00:32:11.000 It is the era of secret cameras, too. 0.97

00:32:13.000 And they're all selfish fucks, so they're all up for themselves. 0.98

00:32:16.000 So they probably demonstrated that all throughout these relationships they've had with other people, so nobody trusts anybody. 0.99

00:32:21.000 Yep.

00:32:22.000 I mean, that's the nature of politics.

00:32:23.000 And you can't use your phone.

00:32:24.000 Nope.

00:32:25.000 You can't use your email.

00:32:26.000 You probably can't even talk with Alexa in the house. 1.00

00:32:30.000 Oh, no.

00:32:30.000 No, no, no, no, no.

00:32:31.000 I mean, I'm at the point where I'm starting to get...

00:32:33.000 I'm not literally that paranoid, but I've had some conversations in terms of people that want to leak a story, which I normally just avoid because I don't want to touch it.

00:32:41.000 But every now and then I'm like, let's go on a walk. 0.98

00:32:43.000 Because I don't want to hear what you have to say around any of this shit. 0.99

00:32:46.000 Because I know it's being recorded. 0.99

00:32:47.000 I know it can be listened to.

00:32:48.000 Do you have a crazy phone?

00:32:49.000 No, it's just an iPhone.

00:32:51.000 I'm aspiring to get one of the Eric Prince phones or something like that.

00:32:54.000 That's when you've reached the next level of conspiracy.

00:32:57.000 When you get a de-googled phone that doesn't have 5G, you'll use four.

00:33:02.000 But the way I look at it is, so I intentionally do all of my stuff.

00:33:06.000 I basically do open source.

00:33:08.000 I don't try to break news stories because it's way safer and it's way more interesting.

00:33:13.000 And I don't...

00:33:13.000 My goal is not to like...

00:33:15.000 To, like, know everything or to be some great journalist.

00:33:18.000 My goal is to inspire everybody else, like, to inspire the world to think a little more and to be more critical and to look it up for yourself.

00:33:24.000 Well, you're also serving a function, like, a service for people because what you're doing is you're taking all the time to find all this open stores and then putting it out there.

00:33:33.000 Yeah.

00:33:33.000 And you're really thorough about it.

00:33:34.000 You say, this is what I know.

00:33:35.000 I try to be.

00:33:36.000 Yeah.

00:33:37.000 Yeah.

00:33:37.000 You've also done this thing with your hand above your head.

00:33:41.000 People steal that now.

00:33:42.000 Yeah.

00:33:42.000 Have you noticed that?

00:33:43.000 Well, it's because TikTok's green screen.

00:33:45.000 One finger gets taken away.

00:33:48.000 TikTok will delete one finger if I'm pointing with one finger because it's a green screen app and so I'm using the camera and in my camera it's putting the thing behind me but it's cutting out me and if I only use one finger it cuts my whole hand away.

00:34:00.000 So I started doing this.

00:34:01.000 Just because the green screen when it's trying to AI analyze what is a body and what is the background it'll take away my hand as though it's the background.

00:34:10.000 I haven't gone all the way to doing this at the screen yet.

00:34:15.000 But I see a lot of people that are doing exactly your way.

00:34:19.000 So that's why they're doing it.

00:34:20.000 I mean, to be fair, I've had a level of success that is unprecedented.

00:34:23.000 And people call me a controlled opposition because of it.

00:34:26.000 And it's like, whatever, dude.

00:34:28.000 Like, if I was in all of their seats, I would probably be like...

00:34:31.000 Where did this dude come from?

00:34:32.000 But at a certain point, it's like an intense level of suspicion.

00:34:36.000 You're talking to Captain Controlled Opposition over here.

00:34:37.000 I know, dude.

00:34:38.000 People think that I'm Controlled Opposition.

00:34:40.000 That whole term is funny because there's got to be real Controlled Opposition.

00:34:44.000 That's why it's a term.

00:34:46.000 Because it's a war, dude.

00:34:48.000 It's crazy out here.

00:34:49.000 It's a valid strategy.

00:34:50.000 But I think you could figure it out after a while.

00:34:53.000 Yeah, and for me, it's really interesting because...

00:34:56.000 And you know this too.

00:34:57.000 You've been in this game for forever.

00:34:58.000 Is when you actually get to meet people in real life, you learn things about them.

00:35:01.000 You get that vibe of them.

00:35:02.000 It's not impenetrable.

00:35:04.000 You can be fooled.

00:35:05.000 But how much can you fool?

00:35:07.000 And can you fool all your employees all the time?

00:35:09.000 Alex Jones is a great example.

00:35:10.000 People call him controlled opposition.

00:35:12.000 He's bought by the Jews. 1.00

00:35:13.000 He's bought by the commies. 0.97

00:35:14.000 And it's like, cool.

00:35:15.000 But I know all of his staff.

00:35:17.000 And I've hung out with them.

00:35:19.000 And you've known him over years and years.

00:35:21.000 Is he faking his entire life?

00:35:23.000 I've been on his show.

00:35:24.000 I've seen...

00:35:25.000 He was doing the exact same thing when no one was listening.

00:35:28.000 Exactly.

00:35:29.000 He was on the public radio.

00:35:30.000 Yeah.

00:35:31.000 Alex has been talking about this stuff since the 90s, and I've known him since 90...

00:35:39.000 I guess I met him in 99?

00:35:42.000 Yeah.

00:35:43.000 Yeah.

00:35:43.000 I learned the other day that he started InfoWars.

00:35:46.000 He officially founded InfoWars when I was two years old or something like that.

00:35:50.000 It blew my brain.

00:35:51.000 It was like, what?

00:35:52.000 The first video of his that really woke me up...

00:35:54.000 Was the video he did on the World Trade Organization protests in Seattle when he showed that there was these groups of masked men who dressed in military uniforms with military issue shoes.

00:36:08.000 They all had the same shit on and they all ran around in this peaceful protest for the World Trade Organization and started smashing things and lighting things on fire and creating chaos which allowed the police to then move in. 0.88

00:36:21.000 Then these people All holed up in one house. 0.99

00:36:25.000 They negotiated with the police and they were all released.

00:36:29.000 Weird.

00:36:30.000 Yeah.

00:36:30.000 Almost sounds like a few events of the last couple years, you know?

00:36:34.000 Yeah.

00:36:35.000 Well, it sounds like Patriot Front, which just went under.

00:36:38.000 They went under the day after.

00:36:39.000 Yeah, you didn't know?

00:36:40.000 After USAID was cut?

00:36:41.000 No, right after Cash Patel gets in.

00:36:43.000 Okay.

00:36:44.000 Cash Patel gets in.

00:36:45.000 Let's go.

00:36:45.000 Pull that up.

00:36:46.000 Pull that up.

00:36:46.000 Let's go.

00:36:47.000 Because there's a video of Patriot Front and me and Matt Taibbi, I go, they're fat! 0.93

00:36:51.000 It's me yelling, where's the fat people? 0.71

00:36:53.000 They're all wearing the same uniform. 1.00

00:36:55.000 One guy's got a fucking drum. 1.00

00:36:57.000 Get the fuck out of here. 1.00

00:36:58.000 These are feds. 1.00

00:36:59.000 These are feds.

00:37:00.000 The day after Cash Patel gets in, they disband.

00:37:05.000 Funny how that...

00:37:06.000 I'm really interested in looking for...

00:37:09.000 Right now, with all these new people coming in, Cash and Pam and all the picks, RFK, I'm really enjoying the process of just trying to watch their actions and trying to figure out who's doing what and how much are they going to play.

00:37:19.000 play to the money and play to the people.

00:37:21.000 And it's just such a fascinating exercise in journalism of where do you kind of – and how much leeway do you give them?

00:37:27.000 How much grace do you give them?

00:37:29.000 Especially with the Epstein blackmail hanging as a cloud over the entire federal government.

00:37:35.000 I don't think that any of those three are blackmailed, but I don't feel confident that I know that they're not.

00:37:41.000 Let's look at it.

00:37:41.000 Here's a possibility other than blackmail.

00:37:43.000 Negotiation.

00:37:44.000 Well, that's always a factor.

00:37:47.000 But instead of blackmail, if you are a government and you have information on someone who is an asset – Or someone who's very wealthy. 1.00

00:37:58.000 And this person is a, hey, motherfucker. 0.99

00:38:02.000 Like, what are you doing? 1.00

00:38:03.000 You're at 26 times? 1.00

00:38:05.000 How about you shut the fuck up from here out? 1.00

00:38:09.000 No more Trump's Hitler. 1.00

00:38:11.000 Cut it out.

00:38:12.000 How about you say that we did a good job every now and again?

00:38:15.000 Give us a little credit.

00:38:17.000 Let's work something out here.

00:38:18.000 It's not necessarily blackmail as much as it's negotiation.

00:38:22.000 I would argue that's indistinguishable.

00:38:24.000 Right.

00:38:26.000 Unless you're getting money, too.

00:38:27.000 Like, you know, I know.

00:38:28.000 No, blackmail is just, I know something that you don't want out.

00:38:32.000 And any level of threatening that it'll get out, or, you know.

00:38:35.000 Okay, but what if it goes the other way?

00:38:36.000 What if the wealthy person contacts them?

00:38:39.000 And it says, listen, I can make things very good for you.

00:38:42.000 I can do this.

00:38:43.000 I can do that.

00:38:43.000 If I go to jail, this is not helping anybody.

00:38:45.000 Oh, 100%.

00:38:46.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:38:47.000 Reverse.

00:38:48.000 That's the opposite.

00:38:49.000 So that's bribery, I guess?

00:38:51.000 Kind of.

00:38:51.000 Yeah, that's deal-making.

00:38:53.000 But I think that a lot of Epstein's targets were willing.

00:38:57.000 I think that a lot of them...

00:38:59.000 Because I think that...

00:39:00.000 We're talking, it's not just Jeffrey Epstein, it's organized crime as a network.

00:39:04.000 Like, he's just an employee of organized crime.

00:39:06.000 And I think that a lot of those people are basically saying, yeah, I want into the club.

00:39:11.000 Because if you are like a Reid Hoffman, or allegedly, if you're one of those guys, and you want...

00:39:17.000 More contracts, or you want more deals.

00:39:20.000 Like, allegedly.

00:39:20.000 And, like, let's be clear.

00:39:21.000 Just because I say something on Joe's podcast does not mean that Joe fucking agrees with me, CNN. Thank you. 0.70

00:39:26.000 Because, like, I'm a crazy fucker. 0.99

00:39:28.000 And I got all kinds of theories about Epstein. 0.99

00:39:30.000 But, like, I think that a lot of them were willing.

00:39:32.000 Because I think a lot of them are... 0.99

00:39:34.000 I mean, if you're sick enough to rape a child, like, on Jeffrey Epstein's island, you're sick enough to want into that club. 0.99

00:39:40.000 Well, for sure, throughout history, there have been pedophiles. 0.99

00:39:44.000 That's a fact.

00:39:46.000 For sure, some pedophiles get to prominent positions of power.

00:39:51.000 That's a fact, right?

00:39:52.000 And the traits that do the same, like... 0.99

00:39:55.000 Jimmy Savile in fucking England, like that one. 0.99

00:39:57.000 That should put it out to bed for anybody. 0.99

00:39:59.000 Prince Andrew, Bill Gates.

00:40:01.000 Sandusky.

00:40:01.000 Allegedly.

00:40:02.000 I don't know about him.

00:40:03.000 I never heard that.

00:40:04.000 But Sandusky I've heard.

00:40:05.000 You never heard about Bill Gates?

00:40:06.000 I didn't know he was in the kids.

00:40:08.000 Oh, dude.

00:40:08.000 I mean, he's one of Epstein's closest confidants.

00:40:11.000 Here's the thing about the Epstein thing.

00:40:14.000 Weren't they...

00:40:15.000 Were they all underage?

00:40:18.000 No, not at all.

00:40:19.000 No, it's very complex.

00:40:21.000 So some of them were in their 20s.

00:40:23.000 Like one girl who was complaining, or I shouldn't say complaining, that's very mild.

00:40:28.000 One girl who alleging that she was 20 at the time, she was saying.

00:40:34.000 So just because someone has been to the island and has been compromised.

00:40:40.000 Right.

00:40:41.000 Doesn't necessarily mean that they've been compromised with underage people.

00:40:45.000 But I think there's a specific group that wants underage people.

00:40:48.000 Oh, 100%.

00:40:48.000 Right.

00:40:49.000 And the reason why I say this is not a conspiracy theory.

00:40:52.000 It has been that way throughout history.

00:40:54.000 All of history.

00:40:55.000 There are many, many, many conspiracies that have been uncovered and criminal investigations have found that people were trafficking children.

00:41:03.000 It's been done.

00:41:05.000 So this is not like vampires.

00:41:06.000 No, no.

00:41:07.000 We're not talking about werewolves.

00:41:08.000 Child trafficking, like, child trafficking rings get exposed and brought down around the world relatively frequently, like at least once a year.

00:41:14.000 But they usually don't make big news because they're usually not like Epstein.

00:41:16.000 We know there are pedophiles.

00:41:18.000 That's a real thing. 0.97

00:41:19.000 We know there are psychos who get Look, there's people that drink rhino horn tea.

00:41:29.000 Exactly.

00:41:29.000 Why do they drink rhino horn tea?

00:41:31.000 Because the rhino is so endangered, it's so gangster.

00:41:34.000 It's just the elite experience.

00:41:36.000 Exactly.

00:41:37.000 The elite experience.

00:41:37.000 And what you're talking about is this, it's such an important concept, is that some people, like, if you wanted to pay for an underage prostitute, people can, you can pay for that.

00:41:45.000 There are people, there are women that would be prostitutes underage. 1.00

00:41:48.000 The people that...

00:41:50.000 We're talking about in the Epstein files that were...

00:41:52.000 That wanted underage girls specifically because they weren't all underage. 0.50

00:41:55.000 Some of them wanted overage girls. 1.00

00:41:57.000 Some of them were just scientists.

00:41:58.000 They weren't all compromised.

00:41:59.000 But the ones that wanted underage girls, they specifically want what they couldn't have. 0.99

00:42:03.000 Because if you wanted sex that you're allowed to have, you just wanted a young girl, you could just go pay for that. 1.00

00:42:08.000 What Epstein was doing is he was recruiting girls that were from like American families and kind of tricking them and coercing them. 0.83

00:42:15.000 Like they wanted a girl that they wanted the experience of coercing.

00:42:19.000 Some of these people, not all of them, want the experience.

00:42:22.000 I am doing this to a girl that I am coercing, I am manipulating, or I'm just straight up being physically violent to to get this thing.

00:42:30.000 Because if you wanted a willing 16 year old, those do exist.

00:42:38.000 High-profile people.

00:42:40.000 And, you know, Eric Weinstein was highlighting this to me once.

00:42:44.000 He was saying...

00:42:45.000 Smart dude.

00:42:45.000 I like him.

00:42:46.000 Very smart dude.

00:42:47.000 And he wasn't making any accusations at all, but he was just talking overall.

00:42:52.000 He goes, I think there are people out there that can facilitate experiences for discreet clients.

00:43:00.000 And it's very valuable.

00:43:03.000 Like, look at the guy who gave Epstein that house in Manhattan.

00:43:08.000 You mean Leslie Wexner?

00:43:09.000 Yeah, the guy from Victoria's Secret.

00:43:10.000 He gave him a $60 million mansion.

00:43:14.000 He did way more than that.

00:43:16.000 He signed his entire power of attorney to him.

00:43:18.000 You're so cool.

00:43:19.000 I'm going to give you a house.

00:43:20.000 No, he gave him the keys to the entire castle of all of Victoria's Secret and Abercrombie& Fitch and all of Elle Brands.

00:43:27.000 When you find out that people who worked at Nickelodeon are pedophiles, you go, oh.

00:43:32.000 Foot fetishist, no less. 0.72

00:43:34.000 Right. 0.93

00:43:34.000 If you're going to be a pedophile, wouldn't you go be around kids, like if you could be, and sneak around? 0.93

00:43:41.000 Okay, wouldn't you think that Sacha Baron Cohen thought he had exposed Pedophile Ring while filming Who is America? 0.68

00:43:47.000 Oh, that's right.

00:43:48.000 That's right.

00:43:49.000 I forgot about that.

00:43:50.000 The concierge said they can do something.

00:43:53.000 If you want that, we can help you.

00:43:54.000 Yeah.

00:43:54.000 Yeah, things happen out.

00:43:57.000 It's kind of crazy.

00:43:58.000 Do you remember Andrew Breitbart got killed?

00:44:00.000 I do remember that.

00:44:01.000 But he had a heart attack.

00:44:03.000 Exactly.

00:44:03.000 He was exposing Acorn because...

00:44:05.000 So how...

00:44:07.000 Oh man, I'm totally blanking on our boy these days that does all the...

00:44:10.000 O'Keefe?

00:44:11.000 James O'Keefe?

00:44:11.000 You know that James O'Keefe got his start with Breitbart on that story exposing Acorn and what they did is they sent James O'Keefe and this other female reporter into Acorn.

00:44:20.000 And O'Keefe pretended to be a pimp.

00:44:22.000 Well, they asked them for help setting up an underage sex trafficking ring.

00:44:26.000 And the people at Acorn...

00:44:28.000 I didn't know it was underage.

00:44:29.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:44:29.000 They wanted help setting up an underage sex trafficking ring using children from Guatemala or from Central America.

00:44:36.000 Did they say that in the meeting?

00:44:39.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:44:41.000 That was what was on tape.

00:44:43.000 What?

00:44:43.000 Yeah.

00:44:44.000 It blew my mind when I read it.

00:44:45.000 I was like, what are we talking about right now?

00:44:47.000 Because I didn't know that history because I wasn't paying attention back then.

00:44:51.000 And that is the story, is that he went in and asked for help setting up a...

00:44:56.000 I don't think he was probably using the words five-year-olds, ten-year-olds.

00:45:00.000 I assume that he was implying 16-year-olds, but I don't know.

00:45:04.000 But that's the story.

00:45:05.000 How did he phrase it?

00:45:06.000 I don't know.

00:45:08.000 I mean, I can't find those videos anymore.

00:45:09.000 I've looked.

00:45:10.000 Really?

00:45:11.000 I'm sure they're somewhere, and I'm sure that James O'Keefe could tell the story.

00:45:13.000 What happened with him and Project Veritas?

00:45:16.000 I don't know.

00:45:17.000 I have no idea.

00:45:18.000 And it's a whole drama fest, and I try to stay, I mean, I usually try to stay out of the drama in the modern industry, because it's like, it'll just waste your time.

00:45:27.000 The conspiracy drama.

00:45:28.000 There's drama inside the drama industry.

00:45:30.000 There's drama in every industry, dude.

00:45:31.000 There's drama in the drama class.

00:45:33.000 But yeah, he went in and asked for help setting up this ring and they allegedly said, yeah, here's how you do it.

00:45:38.000 We'll help you, we'll help you, we'll help you.

00:45:39.000 And that's what the case they brought against Acorn was before Andrew Breitbart mysteriously died.

00:45:45.000 And then the coroner that did his autopsy mysteriously died.

00:45:48.000 It's like...

00:45:49.000 That was such a weird one to stumble upon because I didn't know I was about to stumble upon it.

00:45:54.000 Yeah, and people can look.

00:45:55.000 I mean, everyone should look up anything that I say always.

00:45:58.000 People should always just look it up and just start typing things in that I'm saying and see if you can figure it out and what you think.

00:46:03.000 Because I am not an expert.

00:46:04.000 I'm just a dude that is looking things up.

00:46:06.000 And I try to be really thorough.

00:46:08.000 Wasn't Breitbart or Drudge that was the first victim of these coordinated anti-advertising campaigns?

00:46:17.000 I'm not sure I know what you mean by that.

00:46:19.000 Oh, like where advertisers all pull out to try to tank you, like what they tried to do to Elon?

00:46:23.000 Exactly.

00:46:24.000 I don't know.

00:46:24.000 They do it strategically.

00:46:26.000 I think it was done to both, probably, but I don't know.

00:46:29.000 But I think the first one, the first one that they did it on, I think it was Breitbart.

00:46:34.000 I think Breitbart was on this super rapid upward trajectory, and they just completely tanked the revenue.

00:46:41.000 Was it Breitbart or is it...

00:46:43.000 Do you remember, Jamie?

00:46:43.000 Who was talking to us about that the other day?

00:46:45.000 Was it Chase Hughes?

00:46:46.000 Who was it?

00:46:48.000 It might have been...

00:46:51.000 It is interesting how you can watch out over history.

00:46:53.000 The more history you learn, the more you get to see where certain strategies, kind of like deep state strategies, so to speak, or intelligence agency strategies, get invented.

00:47:01.000 And then they start using them.

00:47:02.000 Might have been Mike Benz.

00:47:03.000 That would be a Mike Benz thing to say, for sure.

00:47:05.000 I can see that. 1.00

00:47:07.000 He knows his shit. 1.00

00:47:08.000 Yeah, he knows a lot of shit. 1.00

00:47:10.000 Okay. 1.00

00:47:11.000 Breitbart lost 90% of its advertisers in two months.

00:47:14.000 That's what it is.

00:47:15.000 Yeah.

00:47:16.000 Who's still there?

00:47:17.000 So this is the Washington Post making it seem like this is a normal thing.

00:47:21.000 Yeah.

00:47:22.000 Oh, look, they lost all their advertising.

00:47:24.000 Media frame jobs. 1.00

00:47:24.000 People pulled out because they're full of shit. 1.00

00:47:26.000 It's just another frame game. 1.00

00:47:27.000 No, they all coordinated to try to boycott them and kill them.

00:47:33.000 It's so crazy to have all of these tactics exposed in plain view now, and they still keep trying them.

00:47:39.000 Did you see the thing that's going around today of the 22 different mainstream news sites all parroting the exact same thing?

00:47:46.000 Well, not just that.

00:47:47.000 All the congresspeople.

00:47:48.000 Yeah.

00:47:48.000 Did you see that?

00:47:49.000 They're all saying the exact same thing.

00:47:51.000 Yeah, I guess it's congresspeople, not news anchors.

00:47:53.000 It's just that now everyone is a... 0.99

00:47:55.000 It's fucking Pelosi and Schumer and all these different people. 0.99

00:48:00.000 There's 12 of them now that they've got. 1.00

00:48:02.000 Saying the exact same script.

00:48:04.000 Oh, it's more than 12. Alex Jones had a full 22 on his show, so they kept adding to it.

00:48:08.000 At first, it was two of them. 1.00

00:48:09.000 They're so dumb! 1.00

00:48:10.000 They all read the same script! 1.00

00:48:12.000 They're so dumb! 1.00

00:48:14.000 But they use a different tone of voice. 1.00

00:48:15.000 Well, they give their own spin on it because they're performers.

00:48:18.000 It's wild.

00:48:20.000 I've got to have my own creative control.

00:48:21.000 Yeah.

00:48:22.000 But then you get into the people that are like, the whole world's a stage, trust the plan, Q's in control, and it's like, whoa, dude, calm down.

00:48:27.000 Yeah, you've gone too far.

00:48:29.000 Well, then when you see that documentary on Q, you realize what kind of people you're dealing with.

00:48:33.000 Which documentary?

00:48:34.000 Did you see Into the Storm?

00:48:34.000 The one that had the really cool, like, Q thing?

00:48:37.000 Yeah, but I don't, like, trust a documentary like that either, because, like, HBO is, like, that's the definition of mainstream media.

00:48:43.000 So I try to stay somewhere in the middle of that.

00:48:45.000 That is true, but I think HBO let this guy uncover this story accurately.

00:48:51.000 I believe it.

00:48:52.000 I had him in.

00:48:52.000 I'm pretty sure that I did see the documentary.

00:48:55.000 Yeah.

00:48:56.000 It's like a multi-part. 0.96

00:48:58.000 And it shows all the people that were involved in it, and it kind of highlights a guy who seems to be Q, who is kind of an internet shitposter fucking around. 0.98

00:49:07.000 When 4chan was in its heyday back when all that shit was going down, it's ripe for that kind of nonsense. 0.99

00:49:14.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

00:49:14.000 Perfect fertile ground for that kind of controlled reverse opposition, whatever bullshit, psyops. 1.00

00:49:21.000 And that's where, for me, the bottom line is, can I corroborate it with primary sources? 0.87

00:49:25.000 And Q is the definition of no.

00:49:27.000 Of course I can't.

00:49:28.000 It's like, what is it?

00:49:29.000 A time traveler that's coming back that's telling us how to save the world or something?

00:49:32.000 I don't understand.

00:49:33.000 Do you think stuff like Pizzagate, like when they had that guy come in and fire up that shot...

00:49:42.000 I felt like that was a great way to put a halt to all the looking into the Podesta emails.

00:49:49.000 That's exactly what that was.

00:49:50.000 Because then all of a sudden it's a kook thing. 1.00

00:49:52.000 Now it's a crazy person and a dangerous person because he's got a gun.

00:49:55.000 You're causing dangerous people to take their guns.

00:49:58.000 Just like with the vaccines.

00:50:00.000 They always have to make it dangerous, right?

00:50:02.000 It's dangerous to say that this might...

00:50:05.000 Have side effects, right?

00:50:06.000 Because if you read those emails...

00:50:08.000 Exactly right.

00:50:09.000 Those emails are bananas.

00:50:11.000 And they're not explained.

00:50:13.000 They're talking about young kids who are going to be coming to a party to have fun.

00:50:18.000 They're talking about pizza and hot dogs.

00:50:19.000 They'll be in the pool and they will be there for sure.

00:50:21.000 $65,000 worth of hot dogs flown from Chicago for a White House party?

00:50:25.000 The whole thing is like very weird.

00:50:28.000 Did you ever see the archived Instagram post from James Oliphantus' Instagram?

00:50:33.000 No.

00:50:33.000 Because that's a dark place.

00:50:34.000 So there's so many layers to Pizzagate that they tried to cover up intentionally for very good reason.

00:50:38.000 Well, how about the logos?

00:50:40.000 Well, the thing is, I... I avoid, in the way I've talked about it, I've avoided all the symbols and logos and even some of the pizza stuff because I think there's so much more ripe, clear evidence that is way more powerful.

00:50:52.000 And James Alifonso's Instagram account is a great example.

00:50:55.000 Can you find it online?

00:50:57.000 So you cannot find it on Instagram anymore.

00:50:59.000 It's only been archived onto other sites, which is kind of sketchy because it's like, how do I know you're not adding photos and stuff?

00:51:04.000 So you kind of have to dig and dig and dig and cross-reference over and over and over to make sure that you're getting sort of like the consensus.

00:51:12.000 happened.

00:51:12.000 So people like Liz Croke and people like Alex Jones, like they saw these things come out and that you can find plenty of different archives of all of James Aliphant's Instagram posts.

00:51:21.000 And there are things like photos of children with their arms taped to tables.

00:51:24.000 And the caption is looks like a fun time.

00:51:26.000 And then people that have always been commenting on his posts, like the people that are interacting with his posts all the time have even weirder Instagrams where it's like kill room and there's a coffin that's open and things like that.

00:51:36.000 There's like a photo of like a walk-in freezer and it's like, man, looks like you've been having a fun weekend.

00:51:43.000 Things like that that are just super dark.

00:51:46.000 And a bunch of babies and a bunch of symbolism, a bunch of children.

00:51:50.000 And it's all photos on their Instagram in plain daylight.

00:51:53.000 And they all got scrubbed, obviously.

00:51:55.000 And that's not to mention Podesta's art collection and the Marina Abramovich connections.

00:51:59.000 It goes on and on and on and on and on.

00:52:02.000 Yeah.

00:52:02.000 And we're talking about the Clintons with the Haiti scandals, with the cocaine in Arkansas.

00:52:07.000 It's like the thing is that we sound crazy.

00:52:10.000 I sound crazy to someone that doesn't do their own research because you just start. 0.99

00:52:13.000 There's so many layers of like crazy shit that's happened with some of these people. 0.99

00:52:18.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:52:18.000 That if you don't know the history of a person like Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton, it's really easy to think, oh, that's just so insane that you would think that they would be involved in it. 0.99

00:52:27.000 And first of all, they frame it in the articles about Pizzagate.

00:52:30.000 They say. 0.60

00:52:31.000 Hillary Clinton was the mastermind of a global pedophile sex trafficking ring all headquartered in this pizza shop, which is not what anyone ever claimed. 0.95

00:52:40.000 Right. 0.96

00:52:41.000 So as soon as you can discredit that, you discredit the whole thing.

00:52:44.000 Classic frame job, which Nancy Pelosi explains very well, where you make a false claim and you say that's what they're saying and then you discredit the false claim.

00:52:51.000 But if you really learn the history of the Clinton family, just as one example, Did you ever read The Strange Death of Vince Foster?

00:52:59.000 No.

00:53:00.000 But I know a little bit about the Foster situation and a couple of those weird deaths earlier on.

00:53:04.000 I read that book.

00:53:05.000 I should read that.

00:53:06.000 Back in the Disney.

00:53:07.000 And that's what got me into wondering about the Clintons.

00:53:10.000 Because that guy died.

00:53:12.000 They found his body where there was less blood at the scene that was missing from his body, and the gun was still in his hand.

00:53:19.000 I was actually just reading about that specific murder in Whitney Webb's books like two nights ago, because she goes over that too, because it's a huge question mark.

00:53:28.000 The gun was in his hand.

00:53:29.000 The gun's never in your hand.

00:53:30.000 And his family claimed that that wasn't the right gun.

00:53:32.000 He had a black gun, and his family was like, no, he owned a silver gun.

00:53:36.000 All these weird things.

00:53:37.000 They never found the bullet.

00:53:38.000 Like, all sorts of things that just don't add up.

00:53:41.000 And that was right after Epstein had first walked into Bill Clinton's life.

00:53:44.000 That was between White House visit number one and White House visit number two, while Epstein was funding the refurbishing of the entire West Wing of the White House.

00:53:52.000 I'm glad you brought up Epstein, because there was a point that I was going to make earlier that I forgot.

00:53:55.000 The Epstein situation is identical to the Manson situation. 0.63

00:54:00.000 You think so?

00:54:01.000 Yeah.

00:54:01.000 Explain what you mean.

00:54:02.000 This is why.

00:54:03.000 I mean, I think you don't mean that literally.

00:54:04.000 I think you mean that in a more metaphorical way.

00:54:06.000 I mean the structure.

00:54:07.000 The structure of how you would pull... 0.96

00:54:09.000 Like, if you were going to use an intelligence asset to do something evil, to do something where you can get dirt on people or compromise people or accomplish an objective, you would get someone who's already fucked up. 0.97

00:54:26.000 Oh, a hundred percent. 0.97

00:54:27.000 And then you get that fucked up person and you help them, you know, run this cult or you help them get girls. 0.99

00:54:35.000 But you intentionally keep them separate. 0.99

00:54:37.000 You're not hiring them.

00:54:39.000 They don't work for you.

00:54:40.000 Right.

00:54:40.000 They're a private entity.

00:54:41.000 It's like layers of obfuscation.

00:54:43.000 Like, if he wasn't personally a pervert, it wouldn't work.

00:54:46.000 Oh, not a chance. 0.93

00:54:47.000 No.

00:54:47.000 Like, think about, like, the guy gets arrested for having sex with underage girls or getting them to do happy endings or whatever, wherever he did.

00:54:54.000 So he gets arrested.

00:54:56.000 And then the real weird thing is that he just gets out and gets, like, house arrest.

00:55:01.000 And he gets, like, a little slap on the wrist.

00:55:03.000 And then he's back in action with all these rich people again.

00:55:05.000 Yep.

00:55:06.000 Like, really rich, influential people.

00:55:08.000 Like, Bill Gates is hanging out with him after he's already been arrested and convicted.

00:55:12.000 Like, that's bananas!

00:55:15.000 But to your point about them... 1.00

00:55:17.000 But he's gotta already be fucked up. 1.00

00:55:18.000 He can't be, like, a straight-edge, regular guy with a family and children that is just evil. 1.00

00:55:24.000 No, you gotta have him in on the thing. 0.74

00:55:27.000 So if you got a guy you know is already a freak. 0.99

00:55:30.000 You know he's already a nut, and he's already doing blow and fucking hookers all the time, and maybe he's been caught with a few underage girls. 0.99

00:55:39.000 Well, when you study where he came from and how he got plucked from the Dalton School and then got put into Bear Stearns and then got put through Bear Stearns and then got put into money management. 0.99

00:55:47.000 It was teaching at one point in time.

00:55:49.000 It was teaching at the Dalton School, and then he was a banker at Bear Stearns, which he conveniently left when this big scandal broke that implicated him and the director, Goldstein, that had hired him.

00:55:59.000 And had been helping him up.

00:56:00.000 And then he left and kind of took the fall and took the dirt with him.

00:56:03.000 them.

00:56:03.000 And then he went into the arms running businesses, which is where he met Maxwell, Daddy Maxwell, not daughter Maxwell, and Anand Khashoggi and Lise and all these other arms traffickers.

00:56:14.000 And that's where he got into those.

00:56:15.000 So it's like you walk slowly into these worlds.

00:56:17.000 And as they're doing that, I'm imagining they're taking tabs on of like, what kind of guy is this and what's he into?

00:56:22.000 And he's working with arms traffickers.

00:56:24.000 And some of those arms traffickers were famous for blackmail.

00:56:26.000 Like a non-Kashoggi, he was famous for having his yacht filled up with cameras and given his arms deals everything they could ever want while he's selling weapons to them. 1.00

00:56:36.000 And he's got his whole yacht wired up with cameras.

00:56:38.000 Trump later bought that yacht, which is super interesting.

00:56:41.000 Do you know about that?

00:56:42.000 So Trump, check this out.

00:56:44.000 And I'm not claiming that Trump is in on everything.

00:56:47.000 It's a very complex thing here.

00:56:48.000 But Trump's history is pretty weird.

00:56:50.000 He bought the Plaza Hotel, which is where the Blue Suite parties that blackmail J. Edgar Hoover happened.

00:56:56.000 Do you know about those?

00:56:58.000 What year was that? 0.99

00:57:01.000 This is where I thought I was starting this fucking job to talk about GameStop and to talk about, like, the financial markets and shit. 0.99

00:57:07.000 And then I realized how important intelligence agencies and organized crime are to how the world works. 0.98

00:57:11.000 And I just got deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper into, like, what's the history?

00:57:14.000 I don't want to miss out on some of Epstein's stuff.

00:57:17.000 Should we come back to that?

00:57:18.000 Well, we'll get there.

00:57:19.000 This is all connected. 1.00

00:57:20.000 I could talk about the Epstein stuff for fucking days and start all kinds of trouble for your podcast and shit. 0.98

00:57:27.000 Well, I think that trouble's supposed to be coming out publicly. 0.99

00:57:30.000 I don't think it's gonna.

00:57:32.000 Wasn't there...

00:57:32.000 So the FBI in New York guy had to step down, right?

00:57:36.000 Yeah.

00:57:37.000 They were saying they're withholding files.

00:57:39.000 Yeah.

00:57:39.000 So the Pam Bondi's office said that they just got thousands of files.

00:57:43.000 Allegedly.

00:57:44.000 Yeah.

00:57:44.000 We'll see what happens.

00:57:45.000 We'll see what happens.

00:57:46.000 I've been saying that I'm like Charlie Brown with Lucy in the football.

00:57:49.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:57:49.000 You know, when she pulls the football away every time he thinks he's going to get to kick it and he goes falling on his ass. 1.00

00:57:53.000 That's how it feels. 0.99

00:57:54.000 You haven't read Whitney Webb's books, have you?

00:57:56.000 No.

00:57:57.000 You really should.

00:57:58.000 I've watched a lot of her stuff online, though.

00:57:59.000 So the thing about her stuff online is that she comes off as way more unhinged.

00:58:03.000 And she's very smart.

00:58:04.000 She's very smart.

00:58:05.000 And she's on it.

00:58:06.000 But she's now very concerned, rightly so, about the sort of technocratic nature of what might be to come.

00:58:12.000 But her research on Jeffrey Epstein is looking backwards at the history of organized crime, the history of Epstein, and it paints a very...

00:58:18.000 Like, we know very well who he worked for, and we know who he was associated with.

00:58:21.000 She has primary sources with pages of sources cited about who put him where, who he interacted with, who said what about him, who claimed what about his life.

00:58:30.000 And it's two full books and it's very well sourced with primary sources cited all the way throughout.

00:58:35.000 And so it's like, we don't actually really need the Epstein files to know what was going on.

00:58:39.000 They'll hopefully include a lot of new details.

00:58:42.000 But don't we need it for rock solid proof?

00:58:45.000 Sort of.

00:58:46.000 Don't we need the...

00:58:47.000 So take Leslie Wexner that we were talking about earlier.

00:58:50.000 No, we already have the flight logs.

00:58:51.000 Do we have all of them?

00:58:52.000 Unredacted.

00:58:53.000 Really?

00:58:53.000 Yeah.

00:58:53.000 All of them.

00:58:54.000 Well, theoretically.

00:58:55.000 The ones we know of.

00:58:56.000 And do we have flight logs with destinations?

00:58:59.000 Yeah.

00:58:59.000 So we know who went to the island.

00:59:01.000 Oh, yeah.

00:59:01.000 Yeah, they're all there, and you can read them online.

00:59:03.000 They're on archive.org, as well as other places.

00:59:05.000 But Leslie Wexner is a great example here.

00:59:08.000 Leslie Wexner owns Victoria's Secret and Elle Brands, right?

00:59:11.000 He's the bank that bankrolled Jeffrey Epstein.

00:59:13.000 And I was saying earlier that he signed the power of attorney over to Jeffrey Epstein so that Jeffrey Epstein was able to sell his assets, manage his assets, buy on his behalf.

00:59:22.000 He could sell Victoria's Secret without Leslie Wexner in the room or even his knowledge if he wanted to, because that's the level of power of attorney that he signed over to Jeffrey Epstein when he was...

00:59:33.000 He was just my money manager.

00:59:38.000 I didn't know he was running this thing because I wasn't involved in any of those transactions.

00:59:41.000 But what that meant is that Leslie Wexner damn well knew.

00:59:45.000 We could go into the mega group and we could go into his connections to Charles Bronfman, all these other things.

00:59:49.000 But I was saying about the Victoria's Secrets, if you're a pedophile, you want to work with kids. 0.97

00:59:55.000 If you're a freak. 0.98

00:59:56.000 What do you do?

00:59:57.000 You get in the underwear business.

00:59:58.000 That's how they were recruiting.

00:59:59.000 They were recruiting from the Victoria's Secret, modeling, and Jeffrey Epstein was claiming that he was a rep.

01:00:02.000 But do you know about the CEO of Abercrombie& Fitch that went down for running a sex trafficking ring?

01:00:07.000 Yeah.

01:00:08.000 So he was Leslie Wexner's guy.

01:00:10.000 When Leslie Wexner, he bought Abercrombie and Fitch in like 1990, maybe 91, 89.

01:00:17.000 And then one of the first things he did was he put that dude into position as CEO.

01:00:22.000 That was Leslie Wexner's dude. 0.84

01:00:24.000 And he becomes the CEO and he's gay and he likes really hot young male models. 0.98

01:00:28.000 And he started running a male sex trafficking ring out of Abercrombie and Fitch. 0.98

01:00:32.000 So Leslie Wexner, this guy. 0.99

01:00:34.000 Dude who is a self-proclaimed possessed by a demon.

01:00:38.000 What?

01:00:38.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:00:39.000 Whitney has a whole chapter where she goes into this article that was done by a mainstream news source like 10, 20 years ago where they're interviewing Leslie Wexner and asking him about how he came to power and what's his secret.

01:00:49.000 It's called his D-book, D-Y-B-U-K, and you can read about this on Wikipedia as well.

01:00:55.000 He describes in his own words that he's possessed by a d-book, which is like a Yiddish word for an evil demon that drives him for more and more and more and more.

01:01:03.000 It's in his own words.

01:01:04.000 Is he being hyperbolic?

01:01:07.000 A little bit.

01:01:07.000 Is he joking around?

01:01:08.000 Like, oh, I'm possessed by a demon that just wants more and more.

01:01:12.000 I just want to be successful.

01:01:14.000 No, I mean, I wasn't in the room, but I assume, based upon the wording and how it's put, I assume it's like a billionaire.

01:01:22.000 I mean, it's in the text.

01:01:24.000 It's directly quoted in the text in One Nation Under Blackmail, actually, which is in that backpack.

01:01:29.000 One Nation Under Blackmail?

01:01:30.000 One Nation Under Blackmail by Whitney Webb.

01:01:32.000 Highly recommend, but it's super dense.

01:01:34.000 It's a hard read.

01:01:34.000 I've read it three times now, and I still am taking notes and trying to look things up to understand it because she's just so researched.

01:01:41.000 And it's things like this, where she's gone back to the original article where they were interviewing him, and he's just like a CEO. So they're just asking him, what's your secret to success?

01:01:50.000 And he's like, I'm possessed.

01:01:51.000 I have a drive for more.

01:01:53.000 And he chose the word debuk, which is a Yiddish word.

01:01:57.000 So this is from a New York Magazine interview.

01:02:00.000 That's exactly the story.

01:02:01.000 He says, and now perhaps it's time to reintroduce Leslie Wexner's debuk, the demon that always wakes up in the morning with Wexner and tweaks and pulls at him.

01:02:11.000 When he was a boy, his father called it tumul, a churning.

01:02:15.000 So he feels molten and unformed.

01:02:18.000 Pricked by these spiritual pins and needles.

01:02:21.000 He met this demon again when he was 40 and already worth half a billion.

01:02:26.000 When he climbed the mountain in front of the house in Vail and almost froze to death and decided to change his life.

01:02:32.000 This demon he calls terminal...

01:02:36.000 Schwilkies. 0.95

01:02:37.000 Schwilkies.

01:02:38.000 Which makes him wander from house to house, repeating the pattern of his childhood on a luxurious scale.

01:02:45.000 Wanting more, swallowing companies larger than his own.

01:02:48.000 It is precisely the reason that Wexner has a billion and doesn't stop at, say, five million and a new Mercedes every other year.

01:02:57.000 And what he calls normal life.

01:02:59.000 Bridge on Wednesdays and Bar Miffes on Saturdays.

01:03:02.000 And the Winding Hollow Country Club in Columbus, which is like Buckingham Palace to him when he was 15. Yeah.

01:03:09.000 So that's just to point out that, like, A, he's a fucking weird dude. 0.98

01:03:13.000 He's a sketchy dude. 0.99

01:03:14.000 He's running two sex trafficking rings out of his companies that he doesn't know anything about.

01:03:19.000 And simultaneously, he founded, I mean, the Wexner Foundations and the Leslie Wexner Heritage Foundation.

01:03:25.000 Those are also very...

01:03:28.000 Interesting and controversial.

01:03:29.000 They're very tied to Israel because he is one of the foremost Israeli philanthropists, despite being an American.

01:03:36.000 But he founded what was called the Mega Group, which is essentially a...

01:03:41.000 I mean, it was not disclosed for a long time.

01:03:43.000 It was secret.

01:03:44.000 And it is a...

01:03:45.000 Group of Jewish billionaires that get together on behalf of global Judaism, which is not uncommon, and there's nothing wrong with that if they're not committing crimes. 0.97

01:03:54.000 But they would get together and meet, and it's people like Leslie Wexner, Charles Bronfman, the list is...

01:03:59.000 We could look it up.

01:04:01.000 And that group, it is unclear if we have proof that they were conducting espionage, but there are...

01:04:13.000 All of them have ties to organized crime through various elements, like the Bronfmans were rum runners, as one example, that were then involved in the mob.

01:04:22.000 Leslie Wexner's involved in these trafficking rings, etc. 0.94

01:04:25.000 And that group...

01:04:27.000 Seems to have been directly associated with Jeffrey Epstein.

01:04:30.000 And she's, again, she's one that she shows all the primary sources and, like, lays it all out of, this is what we know, and this is where the source came from, and this is what it said, and these are possible explanations for it.

01:04:39.000 Here's one or two or three explanations of what it might be, but we don't really know because this is as far as the evidence goes.

01:04:45.000 And so Leslie Wexner is just one where there's all this swirling evidence all around him that the, in order for him to not be aware of what's going on and to not have been an active part of this, Is damn near unbelievable in my eyes, allegedly.

01:05:00.000 That's well covered.

01:05:02.000 You did a good job of covering your bases there.

01:05:04.000 Yeah.

01:05:05.000 Which, you know, I've learned to do.

01:05:06.000 Because, I mean, I started on TikTok where you can't even say certain words or you'll get taken off of TikTok.

01:05:10.000 Right.

01:05:11.000 Right.

01:05:12.000 Which is also fascinating.

01:05:13.000 Yeah.

01:05:13.000 But, like, so the files getting released, I am not expecting them to come out in any complete form because the mainstream understandings that Jeffrey Epstein was the guy.

01:05:26.000 Jeffrey Epstein was just an employee of these organized crime rings that work on behalf of the CIA and Israeli Mossad and British intelligence.

01:05:34.000 Because organized crime is the black markets, the dark things, the sex, the drugs, the rock and roll, the child trafficking.

01:05:43.000 And intelligence agencies were designed to be legitimate government's point of access to organized crime.

01:05:51.000 I mean, theoretically.

01:05:52.000 Intelligence agencies were supposed to be...

01:05:54.000 Truman wanted the intelligence agencies to be a newspaper about what's going on in the world for the president to know, right?

01:06:00.000 But Alan Dulles was not about that.

01:06:02.000 Alan Dulles, founder of the CIA, was like, I want to do covert operations.

01:06:05.000 And very immediately, covert operations were like overthrowing the government of Guatemala, Iran, buying the elections in Italy.

01:06:12.000 They bought the elections in Italy by just passing giant bags of cash to the mafia so they would just go buy the election right after World War II because they needed to not let Italy fall to the...

01:06:22.000 Communists.

01:06:23.000 It's where the Vatican is.

01:06:24.000 So the CIA, though Truman okayed it, hoping that it would be a newspaper, the CIA has been covert operations from the start.

01:06:32.000 And covert operations is all about public-private partnerships so that you can't have it traced back to you, right? 0.99

01:06:39.000 Because if you get caught doing MKUltra shit, the government's fucked. 0.99

01:06:43.000 Right? 1.00

01:06:43.000 Right. 1.00

01:06:44.000 And so what they want to do is they want to outsource MKUltra shit or child trafficking shit or drug running shit to that shell company that's hiring that guy that works at that organized crime, right? 0.99

01:06:54.000 The same way USA does it with NGOs. 1.00

01:06:56.000 Bingo.

01:06:56.000 And that is all...

01:06:57.000 So that's what the deep state is.

01:06:59.000 The deep state is the conglomerate of organized crime and intelligence agencies that work in the shadows as well as the halls of power, but they're not supposed to exist and we're not supposed to know about them.

01:07:08.000 But they've always existed because before we even founded the CIA during...

01:07:12.000 During World War II, there was this bombing of this ship in a port on the eastern seaboard.

01:07:18.000 The USS Liberty is confusing my memory right now.

01:07:23.000 It was called Operation Underworld.

01:07:26.000 There's a Wikipedia page about Operation Underworld, and there's a whole bunch more about it.

01:07:30.000 The ship blows up in harbor, and they were building this big new ship.

01:07:33.000 It would have been in the early 40s, I believe.

01:07:36.000 It was during World War II, inside of World War II. The ship was blown up.

01:07:40.000 Here it is.

01:07:42.000 And it's not clear if it was German U-boats.

01:07:45.000 There are reports that later Meyer Lansky and the mob took credit for it, like low-key, but we don't really know for sure who blew it up.

01:07:52.000 But when it blew up, the U.S. government got really worried that they had no way to secure the ports along the eastern seaboard because all the ports were run by the mob, because the mob ran all the unions, right?

01:08:04.000 And so they, rather than trying to wrestle the ports, control the ports back from the mob, they just went to the mob.

01:08:10.000 And said, we'll partner with you.

01:08:12.000 If you guys lock down the ports, we'll let you kind of do your thing.

01:08:17.000 And that's kind of what Operation Underworld was all about.

01:08:19.000 And so what they did during World War II is they literally gave control over the entire eastern seaboard. 0.90

01:08:25.000 I mean, I'm being facetious, but they gave control over all the ports on the eastern seaboard to the goddamn drug smugglers, like to the mob, which their favorite thing is to smuggle things. 0.94

01:08:34.000 Drugs, weapons, guns, duh. 0.98

01:08:37.000 Whatever.

01:08:38.000 I don't know.

01:08:39.000 And so before the CIA was even founded, the OSS, the intelligence agency during the wartime, was already partnering with organized crime.

01:08:46.000 And the people that founded those intelligence agencies, like Alan Dulles and John Foster Dulles, they were corporate lawyers.

01:08:52.000 And that's...

01:08:53.000 Can I just keep going on this?

01:08:55.000 This is the thing that blew my mind. 0.99

01:08:59.000 I was trying to research GameStop and shit. 0.90

01:09:01.000 And then I started to realize that there's this whole monstrosity that is an official part of our government, these intelligence agencies, that when you really learn their history and read about their official history, let alone their history that sort of is still secret... 0.97

01:09:14.000 It is very clear that they've been off the rails right from the start. 0.93

01:09:18.000 And that's true inside of every, like, whether you're reading Legacy of Ashes and The Devil's Chessboard, very well-researched official books about this shit, or if you're doing internet research. 0.80

01:09:26.000 And the reason why you'd start an intelligence agency using a corporate lawyer instead of, like, a doctor or a military guy or something is because a corporate lawyer... 0.64

01:09:38.000 Is already familiar with all of the big CEOs of all the big corporations, right?

01:09:43.000 Alan Dulles worked at Sullivan and Cromwell as a lawyer.

01:09:45.000 And so he was very familiar with IG Farben producing Zyklon B for the Nazis. 0.68

01:09:50.000 He was familiar with Standard Oil.

01:09:52.000 He was familiar with shipping companies and fruit companies and all these companies all around the world.

01:09:57.000 And he's got good connections with them all.

01:09:59.000 And so you suddenly, you hire one guy, Alan Dulles, and you have just hired an entire network of multinational corporations.

01:10:06.000 Theoretically, to work on behalf of the U.S. But when you read the histories and you read what Alan Dulles was saying behind closed doors and everything, what he was doing is he was hiring the U.S. government in order to fund a corporate slush fund for corporations to utilize this power, this newly government-bestowed power, to essentially wage violence that is sanctioned.

01:10:27.000 You see what I'm saying?

01:10:28.000 Because all those corporations, the perfect example is Guatemala.

01:10:32.000 The United Fruit Company had bought up all this land in Guatemala and was growing bananas like crazy, and a lot of the land was just sitting vacant. 0.99

01:10:40.000 And Jacobo Arbenz comes into power, and he's like, this is bullshit. 0.83

01:10:44.000 There's this American corporation that's owning all of our land, that's making all of us poor, and they're not even using a bunch of this land. 0.97

01:10:50.000 So what I'm going to do is I'm going to buy back the land.

01:10:52.000 He didn't take it.

01:10:52.000 He bought it back from the United Fruit Company, and he was going to distribute it for free to all the farmers that were destitute, which is like socialist, kind of.

01:11:01.000 But it's also pretty badass to use, like, your government money to buy all your farmers' land from this multinational corporation, but that pissed United Fruit off.

01:11:09.000 And this is right as the CIA was getting founded, and United Fruit was a client of Sullivan and Cromwell, and Alan Dulles was a lawyer there, right?

01:11:17.000 So United Fruit goes to Alan Dulles.

01:11:19.000 His brother, John Foster Dulles, was the Secretary of State?

01:11:24.000 Yeah, Secretary of State.

01:11:25.000 So these two brothers that are both lawyers for Sullivan and Cromwell are the director, well...

01:11:30.000 Technically, Alan Dulles was not yet the director of CIA, but he was like the founder.

01:11:33.000 He just had a beef with Truman and with the first couple of leaderships of the president there. 0.99

01:11:38.000 And so United Fruit goes to them and is like, hey, can we overthrow this piece of shit? 1.00

01:11:42.000 Because he's fucking with our business, right? 1.00

01:11:43.000 So this is like how corporations wanted this government-sanctioned power. 0.97

01:11:47.000 And they, through those two brothers, lobbied the United States, propagandized the United States.

01:11:52.000 They hired propaganda artists to propagandize them.

01:11:55.000 And they...

01:11:56.000 We painted him as a communist right at our doorstep.

01:11:59.000 And then the CIA went in and through a series of kind of somewhat botched attempts called Operation Success and Operation PB Success, they overthrew the government of Guatemala and they ousted him.

01:12:12.000 They bombed Guatemala City and they got rid of him and they put in their own dictator that started like, you know, 30 years of absolute devastation and like military rule and just...

01:12:23.000 Really dark shit that basically tore Guatemala apart on behalf of United Fruit.

01:12:30.000 They did the same thing in Iran like three years later with Kermit Roosevelt, where it became this thing where these multinational corporations that are affiliated with this intelligence agency, just kind of through friendships and through partnerships and through the network, they started to utilize Alan Dulles and the CIA in general on their behalf to do things for the corporate interest. 0.95

01:12:50.000 They are the power players in this world.

01:12:52.000 They always have been the power players in this world.

01:12:53.000 And they had been itching for quite some time to get that government-sanctioned ability to wage violence against anyone around the world.

01:13:02.000 And we've been doing that ever since, using the intelligence agencies on behalf of the corporate blob, which is not always distinguishable from organized crime, and just going off and whacking people and overthrowing governments and starting coups right to this day, to Ukraine, 2014. Without being directly connected.

01:13:23.000 Exactly.

01:13:24.000 So, yeah.

01:13:25.000 The concept of plausible deniability.

01:13:27.000 That's the whole point, is you want to set it up in a series of shells, and the darker it is, the more you have to kind of separate it so that when Jeffrey Epstein goes down, no one knows who he worked for.

01:13:37.000 He worked for intelligence, and I was told to leave him alone.

01:13:39.000 And so you're left to speculate who he worked for, and that's why we are left to rely on sources like Whitney Webb, who's done sort of the definitive dig, because they won't fucking tell us, because a bunch of them are blackmailed. 0.82

01:13:51.000 Whoa. 0.89

01:13:51.000 Yeah. 0.89

01:13:52.000 And it's all, it's like, it's not like it's literally a cabal of shadowy dudes around one table.

01:13:56.000 It is just an alignment of many different interests, different families, different corporations, different bankers, organized crime groups, all sort of playing games for power and these guys have that much power and those guys have that much power and interests tend to align like...

01:14:10.000 The general vibe in the corporations will probably align with the vibe of the bankers.

01:14:14.000 And their vibe will probably align a fair bit with some of this organized crime stuff.

01:14:18.000 And we'll fund this terrorist organization, Mujahideen, until it's not convenient anymore. 0.98

01:14:23.000 And then we'll actually use them as a patsy to go to war because there's terrorists over there, goddammit! 0.96

01:14:28.000 Right?

01:14:29.000 And they've gotten quite good at kind of weaving those narratives through their operations that they've...

01:14:34.000 Either covered up or exposed what they wanted to in various ways to kind of steer our narrative around what we know. 0.97

01:14:39.000 But when you actually read the history, it's like, holy shit. 0.88

01:14:43.000 It's crazy how much has gone on. 0.97

01:14:45.000 Did you ever read Smedley Butler's War as a Racket?

01:14:48.000 Oh, yeah, dude.

01:14:48.000 So that was 33. So in 33, it was still going on like that.

01:14:54.000 And he was waking up to it as he was leaving his military career.

01:14:58.000 Do you know about the business plot, about what they tried to do with him?

01:15:01.000 No.

01:15:01.000 Oh, yes, I do.

01:15:02.000 Yeah, he wanted to take over the country.

01:15:04.000 No, he saved the country from it.

01:15:06.000 Right, but not that he wanted to.

01:15:07.000 All the industrialists wanted to.

01:15:08.000 They wanted him to be a part of taking over the country.

01:15:09.000 There's almost a Nazi coup in the 30s where we almost got taken over by our own military and became Nazis because Prescott, Bush, and a bunch of his other buddies were on Team Nazi. 0.53

01:15:19.000 And it's because they were all funding the Nazis and they wanted us on that team. 0.94

01:15:23.000 And they tried to recruit Smedley Butler to be the lead of this.

01:15:27.000 And take over the country.

01:15:28.000 I suspect.

01:15:29.000 I'm always kind of for my understanding, research by research.

01:15:33.000 But I suspect that it was World War I where they realized...

01:15:36.000 How much power you can have if you're funding both sides of a war.

01:15:41.000 Look at this quote.

01:15:42.000 I spent 33 years in active military service, and during that period, I spent most of my time as a high-class muscle man for big business, for Wall Street and the bankers.

01:15:52.000 In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.

01:15:56.000 Smedley Butler, 1935. He was one of the most decorated Marines, or was he in the Army of all time?

01:16:05.000 General? 0.96

01:16:06.000 Un-fucking-believable. 0.60

01:16:07.000 Yeah, War is a Racket is a relatively short book that anyone can buy online, and I highly recommend it to everyone. 0.51

01:16:12.000 That paired with, um...

01:16:14.000 But that was so wild that that was 33. Oh, yeah, and it's still going on to this day.

01:16:18.000 And the general public hasn't even had a whisper of this.

01:16:23.000 Like, the average normie, probably four years ago, five years ago.

01:16:28.000 Yep.

01:16:29.000 Like, when did this start making it into the zeitgeist?

01:16:32.000 Obviously in films.

01:16:33.000 I think when Elon bought Twitter.

01:16:35.000 And it's still not making it into the mainstream, mainstream zeitgeist, but...

01:16:39.000 And you've played a big part in this, too.

01:16:41.000 This whole decentralized media space, as technology naturally walks forward, I think that we're living in this world where all these rich people, all these evil, controlling sickos of varying degrees, they come from a world where they could control everything.

01:16:56.000 They could control the newspapers, they could buy out the press, they could pay for journalists.

01:16:59.000 And that strategy walked itself into technology.

01:17:03.000 And suddenly technology is just naturally walking forwards, and this just changes the game.

01:17:08.000 Like, you can't use those old strategies when you have a phone and internet and social media.

01:17:13.000 And we're watching the cognitive sort of breakdown of their old ways that they don't know how to adapt.

01:17:18.000 And it's just scheme after scheme after scheme is crumbling.

01:17:22.000 And the secret is just free speech.

01:17:24.000 That's all you need is free speech and communication on the internet.

01:17:26.000 And doge.

01:17:27.000 Yeah.

01:17:28.000 I mean, doge is how you actually go after it.

01:17:30.000 But you need someone who's... 0.93

01:17:32.000 Pretty balls out. 0.96

01:17:34.000 Oh, yeah. 0.90

01:17:34.000 You need a guy like Elon that has... 0.90

01:17:36.000 I was glad that Elon said the stuff about assassination on the podcast the other day because that needs to be said is that they are taking great risk.

01:17:43.000 Even Pam and Cash, all of them, are taking great risk to do this.

01:17:48.000 And it would not be the first time that someone's spouse had been whacked or someone's kids had been threatened or, like, they'd...

01:17:55.000 You know, created a scandal.

01:17:56.000 Like, do you know about the scandal of the Chappaquiddick Bridge with...

01:18:00.000 Chappaquiddick.

01:18:01.000 Chappaquiddick.

01:18:02.000 With Ted Kennedy it was, right?

01:18:04.000 Yeah.

01:18:04.000 That is such a great illustration of how, like, it might not even be you that they go after.

01:18:09.000 It might be just...

01:18:09.000 There's all sorts of ways that if you do the wrong thing, allegedly, they might come after people around you.

01:18:17.000 Yeah.

01:18:17.000 And so people like Cash and Pam and RFK are taking on a lot of risk.

01:18:22.000 And that's also why I think that the...

01:18:24.000 Like, my following is real conspiratorial, usually.

01:18:27.000 Like, I'm moderate compared to most of my people.

01:18:30.000 And there's a lot of suspicion of these guys right now of, like, they must already be controlled if they can even get in there.

01:18:36.000 It's like, I don't know if I buy that.

01:18:37.000 I don't know about that because I used to think, well, listen, I think there's definitely some manipulation of voting.

01:18:44.000 Okay?

01:18:44.000 I'll say that.

01:18:45.000 Oh, yeah.

01:18:45.000 That's the holy grail you can't say, dude.

01:18:47.000 Yeah, I say it.

01:18:48.000 I say it because I think...

01:18:49.000 Listen, at some level, for sure.

01:18:53.000 Now let's talk about the...

01:18:54.000 The Hunter Biden laptop. 0.97

01:18:56.000 Now, when you have 51 former intelligence agents claiming that this is Russian disinformation, and then you have the government getting it removed, Twitter complying, you can't even post a link, for the fucking New York Post. 0.97

01:19:10.000 Yep. 0.88

01:19:11.000 The second oldest newspaper in the country, right?

01:19:14.000 Legitimate newspaper.

01:19:15.000 When the FBI had had the laptop already.

01:19:17.000 Right.

01:19:17.000 So, that, in the time of an election, is election interference.

01:19:23.000 Straight up.

01:19:24.000 So that is manipulation of voting.

01:19:26.000 Yeah, until Trump came in, that was the only election interference that I was willing to talk about because it was very provable, very obvious.

01:19:33.000 Then you have another obvious portal, which is California...

01:19:36.000 And New York won't even allow you to show your ID when you vote.

01:19:40.000 There's only one reason why you would do that, because you want people voting that shouldn't be voting, and you want it to count because you want to win.

01:19:48.000 And more and more we're seeing that they are literally importing voters and paying them with government money to huge amounts of money when we have homeless veterans on the street, over 300,000 children are missing that have crossed our border that we have delivered to unknown sponsors.

01:20:05.000 The Trump administration, very quickly, within the first couple weeks, found 90,000 of them.

01:20:11.000 I don't know what the number is now.

01:20:12.000 I haven't seen that.

01:20:13.000 Yeah, there was some...

01:20:14.000 See if you can find that.

01:20:15.000 I would love to see that.

01:20:15.000 The Trump administration accounted for...

01:20:17.000 Well, they started looking.

01:20:19.000 I know, right? 0.99

01:20:19.000 The first fucking... 0.99

01:20:20.000 It's a novel idea. 0.99

01:20:21.000 The first administration was like, I don't know where it is. 0.99

01:20:23.000 Holy shit, let's close the border and... 0.99

01:20:25.000 Well, we can't close the border. 1.00

01:20:27.000 That's wrong.

01:20:28.000 Yeah.

01:20:28.000 The whole thing was...

01:20:29.000 They literally locked up...

01:20:30.000 You know the guys that built the border wall?

01:20:32.000 Steve Bannon and...

01:20:33.000 It was Steve Bannon and Dustin Stockton and I think one or two other people when they wouldn't build it.

01:20:39.000 These guys just went out and raised millions of dollars on their own and they literally just started building Borderwall.

01:20:45.000 Do you know about that?

01:20:46.000 I'd heard something along those lines.

01:20:47.000 I didn't know about that either and then I now do a podcast every couple weeks with Dustin Stockton who's a whole trip of guy and he started telling me the story of like, what are you saying?

01:20:57.000 I had no idea that they had literally just started building it from a private...

01:21:01.000 Like, citizen standpoint.

01:21:03.000 Until they arrested them.

01:21:04.000 Did you know that also, before the election, all the border materials were for sale?

01:21:09.000 Yep.

01:21:09.000 They sold the border materials.

01:21:11.000 Yep.

01:21:12.000 I mean, they were just trying to get everything out as fast as they could.

01:21:15.000 They were deleting files and just giving out aid money and announcing more and more foreign war aid to Ukraine and Israel and everything.

01:21:21.000 They said it was like throwing gold off the Titanic.

01:21:23.000 It's crazy, dude.

01:21:24.000 Yeah.

01:21:25.000 And I am...

01:21:27.000 Really excited for everything that's going to come out.

01:21:30.000 But I'm also like...

01:21:31.000 Before we go any further...

01:21:32.000 I'm reading into the kids.

01:21:36.000 It's definitely a political thing.

01:21:37.000 Oh, the children are actually missing, BBC. Go fuck yourself. 1.00

01:21:41.000 Well, this says that they had them... 0.99

01:21:44.000 I guess in records, and then when they sent court notices out, they just don't come to their court date, so they consider them missing.

01:21:50.000 Okay, that can make sense.

01:21:51.000 But I think the Trump administration accounted for quite a few of them.

01:21:56.000 Well, that part I don't know.

01:21:56.000 That's what they're saying.

01:21:57.000 You're not going to find them on BBC. Well, I'm just...

01:21:59.000 All right.

01:22:00.000 Yeah, so I work...

01:22:02.000 So don't...

01:22:02.000 No, don't put that Trump administration finds missing kids.

01:22:08.000 Try that.

01:22:09.000 Yeah.

01:22:11.000 Because...

01:22:11.000 I work with this guy named Ryan Mata who spent three years of his life going to the border with his own dollars and filming documentaries about this and interviewing the people that rescue trafficked children and actually interviewing whistleblowers from within the Biden regime's trafficking scheme, like the people that were dropping kids off with sponsors and stuff.

01:22:29.000 Bottom one, Sean fucked. 0.93

01:22:31.000 John Fugged. 0.99

01:22:32.000 Listen to what it says there.

01:22:35.000 A Trump administration is allegedly located between 75,000, 80,000 of the 300,000 missing migrant children, according to Harris Faulkner of Fox News.

01:22:43.000 This is without a link to a source.

01:22:44.000 Trust me, bro.

01:22:47.000 I understand.

01:22:48.000 But Google Harris Faulkner of Fox News.

01:22:51.000 I would love for that to happen.

01:22:52.000 Harris Faulkner Fox News.

01:22:53.000 I mean, I suspect that every single...

01:22:58.000 Like, there's every incentive for Trump to find them and to do something about it.

01:23:02.000 But I think the vast majority of them are dead, unfortunately.

01:23:06.000 So that's a Facebook link.

01:23:08.000 I mean...

01:23:09.000 And this is the thing is that there are certain topics that are so disinformationalized and so sensationalized that when you start to research into them, you realize you're inside of this media madness that it's so hard to find the truth.

01:23:22.000 And COVID was one of those.

01:23:24.000 And J6 was one of those.

01:23:25.000 The elections was one of those.

01:23:27.000 And when you find that, it becomes...

01:23:29.000 For me, it sets a bell off.

01:23:30.000 A, I'm in something I should learn about.

01:23:32.000 But B, I have to be very careful.

01:23:33.000 And I don't know...

01:23:34.000 And you never know what you can trust in those spaces.

01:23:36.000 And so that's where I change my switches for what to believe.

01:23:40.000 And I kind of open up the bandwidth in terms of take it all in, but be very skeptical.

01:23:46.000 Because that's where you get wild conspiracy theories that are unproven, and trust me, and then you also get all kinds of propaganda trying to obfuscate the narrative.

01:23:53.000 Yeah, that's a big factor that people need to be aware of is purposeful misinformation that gets inserted into a narrative to make that narrative ridiculous.

01:24:01.000 And there's whole conspiracy theories that I think are like that.

01:24:04.000 And Q might be one of them.

01:24:05.000 I don't know.

01:24:05.000 I think Flat Earth is one of them.

01:24:07.000 Oh, yeah.

01:24:08.000 Well, I think Flat Earth was someone did that as a goof, and then they couldn't believe how much it took.

01:24:12.000 But if you can speak well, and you're articulate, and you have compelling things that you're saying, and there's no counter, there's no scientist going, stop, stop, stop. 0.91

01:24:22.000 We can show you in fucking ten minutes that the Earth is round.

01:24:25.000 Everything in the sky is round. 0.98

01:24:26.000 The Earth is the only thing that's not round? 0.98

01:24:28.000 You know, the weirdness of it is how much people want to believe that everything's bullshit. 0.98

01:24:35.000 And so you could trick a certain number of people. 0.98

01:24:37.000 I mean, I get why.

01:24:38.000 Like, think about how, like, right, so 10 years ago, Alex Jones was saying that the whole government's controlled by pedophiles. 0.98

01:24:43.000 And he was a psychopath. 0.63

01:24:44.000 Or I guess more than 10 years ago now.

01:24:46.000 And then Jeffrey Epstein got caught.

01:24:47.000 Dude, I talked to people about it back then.

01:24:50.000 Right?

01:24:51.000 And they thought it was the funniest thing ever. 0.99

01:24:52.000 Yeah, and you were a nut. 1.00

01:24:53.000 Yeah, I'm telling you, there's a fucking island, they take him to an island. 1.00

01:24:57.000 They get them fucked up on drugs. 1.00

01:24:58.000 There's more than one island, too. 0.95

01:24:59.000 There's been a few islands.

01:25:00.000 Yeah, you think that's the only place they do that?

01:25:03.000 There's probably some super secret place in China that they all go to.

01:25:06.000 Oh, yeah.

01:25:07.000 I mean, they're all over Mexico.

01:25:09.000 They're all over, like...

01:25:10.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:25:10.000 Yeah, imagine what is in Mexico.

01:25:11.000 The government of Mexico has been partnered with the cartels for at least two administrations, is what it looks like.

01:25:16.000 And the cartels are just, like, running that whole game, that whole sort of northwestern, like, quarter of Mexico.

01:25:23.000 I can only imagine what we'll find down there.

01:25:25.000 Really hilarious.

01:25:26.000 Is the Blue Anon Twitter people the kooky ones who are like, yeah, you're gonna go after the cartel?

01:25:32.000 Good luck.

01:25:33.000 Yeah.

01:25:34.000 Good luck, the greatest military force the world has ever known, versus drug runners. 1.00

01:25:38.000 Are you out of your fucking mind? 1.00

01:25:39.000 The cartels are highly militarized, and they're extremely advanced, but sure. 1.00

01:25:43.000 Yeah, they're not going to compete with us.

01:25:44.000 No, no, no.

01:25:45.000 I had my friend Evan Hafer on here from Black Rifle Coffee, and he was talking about, like, do you understand the kind of...

01:25:51.000 These are very capable people, no doubt.

01:25:53.000 Do you understand the kind of ultraviolence that they will experience if they let these, you know... 0.99

01:25:59.000 Fucking SEAL team guys go after the cartel people. 0.99

01:26:02.000 Because those are proud Americans that have been itching to defend our nation. 1.00

01:26:05.000 Like, they have been itching for the ability to actually do something meaningful.

01:26:08.000 And that's also the place where, look, Afghanistan doesn't make sense.

01:26:13.000 It doesn't make sense.

01:26:14.000 Oh, it was an opium operation.

01:26:15.000 Right, right.

01:26:16.000 Oh, yeah, that too.

01:26:17.000 We can get to that.

01:26:18.000 Oh, yeah.

01:26:18.000 It doesn't make sense that we would send troops over there.

01:26:21.000 It makes sense that we would send troops after the cartels.

01:26:24.000 Absolutely.

01:26:24.000 If you think about the amount of death that occurs in the United States because fentanyl overdoses, where you have tainted drugs that are coming in across the border and killing people left at unprecedented levels.

01:26:33.000 Children, like taking kids from families.

01:26:35.000 My whole generation was...

01:26:36.000 Devastated by it.

01:26:37.000 My whole generation.

01:26:38.000 Everyone today knows someone who died of an overdose.

01:26:41.000 Everyone does.

01:26:42.000 That was very uncommon when I was in high school.

01:26:44.000 And the problem is that it was not just illegal fentanyl and illegal heroin.

01:26:47.000 The problem is that the Sackler family and the pharmaceutical industry was in on it.

01:26:51.000 And so doctors were prescribing it to normal people.

01:26:53.000 And it was just devastating our whole population all at once.

01:26:57.000 It's so tragic.

01:26:58.000 That painkiller documentary on Netflix.

01:27:00.000 Yeah, dude.

01:27:01.000 Or the docudrama series.

01:27:02.000 And so the administration now in Mexico.

01:27:06.000 Claudia Sheinbaum, she is like the protege of AMLO, who was the leader of that same party from before.

01:27:12.000 And I think he served two terms.

01:27:13.000 So it's been something like the last six to eight years or something.

01:27:16.000 Their official cartel policy is hugs, not bullets.

01:27:19.000 And what they basically describe is we're causing more death by going after the cartel, and we'll just agree to not...

01:27:28.000 Touch them.

01:27:29.000 We'll just agree to leave them alone.

01:27:30.000 And I'm kind of exaggerating again, but hugs, not bullets is their official slogan for their policy about the cartels. 0.98

01:27:36.000 So it makes sense for us to fucking do something. 0.98

01:27:38.000 It's like, we'll do the bullets. 0.99

01:27:39.000 You can keep your hugs.

01:27:40.000 Thank you very much.

01:27:41.000 Right?

01:27:42.000 I wonder what's going to happen with that.

01:27:43.000 Because they did declare them a terrorist organization.

01:27:46.000 Yeah.

01:27:46.000 I mean, I was worried.

01:27:47.000 I kind of came out a little hot and I posted something on Twitter that was like, no fucking drone strikes inside of the U.S. No, sir. 0.98

01:27:52.000 No, you're not. 0.93

01:27:53.000 Because the way that the sort of announcement was worded of like, we're declaring cartel members, terrorist organizations, and we will be, and drone strikes are like totally A-OK on that, is what someone was saying about it.

01:28:04.000 And I was like, where's the line on allowing the targeting of cartels?

01:28:08.000 Because once you start targeting terrorists, that's why 9-11 was so subversive, is it turned everyone.

01:28:13.000 Everyone into a possible enemy of the state that can be shipped off to Guantanamo because terrorism is just this elusive concept.

01:28:19.000 Right.

01:28:19.000 And you can and anyone can just become a terrorist if we just call them a terrorist.

01:28:23.000 Propaganda.

01:28:24.000 shipped off to Guantanamo who were definitely innocent. - 100%. - And did time and got released.

01:28:30.000 - Oh yeah. - You wanna radicalize someone?

01:28:32.000 Send them to Guantanamo Bay for a decade for something they didn't do.

01:28:36.000 Right?

01:28:36.000 And you brought up the Hunter Biden laptop and those 51 intelligence agents?

01:28:40.000 I wanted to look into it.

01:28:41.000 So I looked at the letter itself and I actually read the letter.

01:28:44.000 And on the letter at the bottom, they all signed it.

01:28:46.000 And if you just start Googling the people that signed it, the very first two names were ex-directors of the CIA that lied to us about Guantanamo Bay and lied to us about surveilling American citizens and lied on the stand.

01:28:58.000 And so they're professional liars that are from the Intel agencies that are saying oh no no like hundred by is all good above board It's like why would we ever trust that?

01:29:07.000 But that's how powerful spin is when every media article parrots that no it wasn't made in a lab There's no evidence.

01:29:13.000 It was made in a lab that couldn't be true Yeah, everyone just believes it because we want to believe that that's how the world is we used to and Don't you think that over the last four years, COVID was probably the biggest wake-up call ever for people?

01:29:26.000 Oh, yeah.

01:29:26.000 I mean, it was my wake-up call.

01:29:27.000 I was a leftist that didn't think about shit before COVID. Me, too. 0.99

01:29:30.000 No, you thought about shit. 1.00

01:29:31.000 You just didn't think about that shit. 1.00

01:29:32.000 No, I thought about shit, but I was pretty much a leftist. 1.00

01:29:35.000 Totally. 1.00

01:29:35.000 100%. 1.00

01:29:36.000 And then I was like, oh, this is fake.

01:29:38.000 Yep.

01:29:39.000 And to be fair, I think we're kind of both still sort of leftists, what left should be.

01:29:43.000 Socially progressive.

01:29:45.000 Politics is supposed to be a balance.

01:29:47.000 We need regulation of corporations.

01:29:48.000 That's a leftist ideology.

01:29:49.000 But we need individual liberty.

01:29:51.000 And we're supposed to have a balance of the two.

01:29:53.000 And I think my theory is that it used to be easier to control the right because it was a big money party and you could go to war with them and you could lead us around by the right.

01:30:02.000 But as technology came in, they realized it was way easier to spin narratives to the collectivists.

01:30:08.000 And if you can get all the collectivists, the leftists...

01:30:10.000 To go along with the narrative, that's way more effective than these individual liberty people with the guns.

01:30:16.000 Well, also, you're controlling all the universities if you have the leftists.

01:30:19.000 You have the narrative that you essentially...

01:30:23.000 Program the culture as it then leaves the universities and enters into the workforce. 0.99

01:30:28.000 The most ignorant people ready to be programmed. 0.86

01:30:30.000 I mean, that's always how communist revolutions have been programmed. 0.99

01:30:33.000 Well, we were talking about this with Jordan Peterson where people were saying, what is the big deal?

01:30:37.000 This is like 2015, 2016 when Jordan Peterson first and when Brett Weinstein first started emerging.

01:30:43.000 And before that, I was talking about these crazy things that were going on in universities and people were like, why are you paying attention to these fringe things that kids are doing?

01:30:50.000 I'm like, they're going to graduate!

01:30:53.000 These are the people.

01:30:54.000 These aren't the people who 30 years ago were studying in school, trying to figure out what career to get into.

01:31:01.000 No, they want to change the world with activism now.

01:31:04.000 Everyone wants to be an activist in every job you take.

01:31:07.000 Everything you take is supposed to enact social justice.

01:31:11.000 That is supposed to be your...

01:31:12.000 And then you're given this as your social credit system when you're in the universities, and then you leave.

01:31:19.000 I still want to be the good person.

01:31:20.000 I still want to be the person.

01:31:23.000 And in a world with no meaning, where life is meaningless for 99% of the population...

01:31:35.000 You give them meaning, and they will cling to that till they die.

01:31:38.000 You're on a good team now.

01:31:39.000 You're on a team.

01:31:40.000 And I understand it, because I come from that. 0.99

01:31:43.000 I come from one of the most liberal cities in this fucking country. 0.97

01:31:45.000 But then, I'm like, COVID's happening, and I was taking it really seriously. 0.98

01:31:49.000 My last Facebook post was like, all young people, we should lock down and take this really fucking seriously. 1.00

01:31:53.000 And then all my roommates were like, hey, let's go down to Seattle and do the BLM protests.

01:31:57.000 And I'm like, whoa. 0.97

01:31:59.000 You're a masked Nazi. 0.98

01:32:01.000 You're on me about my masking. 0.99

01:32:03.000 And you're trying to go burn down Seattle in a group of like 100,000 people?

01:32:08.000 What?

01:32:08.000 And so they all went down to Seattle, and I'm back at home, and I mean, I still love them to death.

01:32:12.000 Like, if they watch this, like, no shade to them.

01:32:14.000 But I'm at home watching the live streams of the BLM protests, and I'm like, where'd that pallet of bricks come from?

01:32:19.000 Right.

01:32:19.000 And that got me thinking.

01:32:20.000 Where'd that pallet of bricks come from?

01:32:22.000 Over and over and over again.

01:32:24.000 And there's all these explanations.

01:32:26.000 Well, there was a construction site.

01:32:27.000 Oh, yeah.

01:32:28.000 Let me tell you something about construction sites. 0.99

01:32:30.000 Bricks are fucking expensive. 0.96

01:32:31.000 They don't leave bricks laying around like that because people would steal them and take them to their construction sites. 1.00

01:32:36.000 That shit happens all the time. 1.00

01:32:37.000 If you leave copper piping on a construction site overnight, people just steal that shit. 1.00

01:32:41.000 Especially downtown where there's meth heads everywhere. 1.00

01:32:43.000 Yes! 1.00

01:32:43.000 Why you got a basket of fucking bricks? 1.00

01:32:46.000 No. 1.00

01:32:46.000 And so then the thing is, I start asking a question. 1.00

01:32:48.000 I ask one question in that leftist environment, and it's just like, don't ask questions! 0.99

01:32:53.000 Like, I'm fucking out of here. 0.97

01:32:55.000 Well, Chase Hughes was talking about that when he was talking about COVID. Like, what are the ways you can clearly see that something is a psyop? 0.98

01:33:01.000 First, you're not allowed to question anything.

01:33:03.000 Yep.

01:33:04.000 100%.

01:33:04.000 And questions are met with, like, obey the herd.

01:33:07.000 And they demonize you.

01:33:09.000 And they don't ever attack the arguments.

01:33:10.000 They don't ever engage with the arguments.

01:33:12.000 No.

01:33:12.000 And that's what I love about the job that I've fallen into as a sort of, like, researcher, is that I have no problem with being wrong.

01:33:19.000 My favorite moments in my career so far have been when someone's proved me wrong. 0.98

01:33:23.000 And I've been like, oh, shit. 0.98

01:33:25.000 Thanks, bro. 0.99

01:33:26.000 I didn't know that.

01:33:27.000 I'm going to research that and look it up.

01:33:28.000 Because, I mean, some people can get trapped in their ego and need to stay on some hill and die there.

01:33:33.000 Right.

01:33:34.000 You don't need to do that.

01:33:35.000 It's a progress for intelligence, for learning.

01:33:37.000 That's what the Academy of Ideas was built on, right?

01:33:40.000 And so having this...

01:33:41.000 Culture of censorship and of herd mentality, especially in the universities, is the most toxic thing to our national future you could ever incorporate.

01:33:50.000 Yeah, it's a perfect thing that a foreign company or a foreign government would do to the United States in order to ruin us. 1.00

01:33:57.000 And this is what Yuri Bezmenov talked about in the 1980s.

01:34:00.000 Bingo.

01:34:01.000 That's such a formative speech to watch.

01:34:02.000 That speech is crazy.

01:34:03.000 Everyone should watch that speech. 0.96

01:34:04.000 And it's, ironically, in 1984 that he's saying this.

01:34:08.000 Well, I mean, these tactics are old.

01:34:10.000 I mean, they go...

01:34:11.000 And I more and more started to look at, like, we changed from kinetic warfare at the atom bomb to, like, psyop and subversive and information warfare.

01:34:21.000 And we were still doing kinetic warfare, but it was all these little proxy wars that were based on propaganda and, like, in order to spin narratives, in order to get support.

01:34:29.000 And more and more, as technology has evolved, one of my kind of schticks is that...

01:34:33.000 The warfare is information warfare now because what they need to do is they need to convince everyone that COVID is real and that you need to lock down and you need to wear your mask and you need to take the vaccine so we can profit.

01:34:42.000 And all of that is information.

01:34:44.000 And that changes it from soldiers fighting soldiers to government agencies or rather NGOs and all these conglomerates of money groups.

01:34:55.000 Essentially targeting all of us and we become the targets of that warfare.

01:34:59.000 And so it's on us to get educated.

01:35:01.000 What's fun though is when they try to spin a narrative to try to cover up their tracks and it just winds up exposing more people to what's actually going on.

01:35:10.000 One of my favorite ones was when Geraldo Rivera was in Afghanistan going through the poppy fields with the United States military guarding the poppy fields.

01:35:21.000 I don't think I've seen this.

01:35:21.000 You've never seen this?

01:35:22.000 I know what you're talking about but I don't think I've seen it.

01:35:25.000 Amazing.

01:35:26.000 It's amazing.

01:35:27.000 Because he's in full propaganda gaslight mode.

01:35:31.000 And he's explaining why it's important to protect these poppy fields.

01:35:36.000 Because these farmers...

01:35:37.000 This is their livelihood.

01:35:38.000 We're protecting them from the Taliban. 0.92

01:35:40.000 These poor farmers.

01:35:41.000 We have to help these people.

01:35:42.000 Because the Taliban shut down the opium production.

01:35:44.000 The Taliban outlawed opium production and burned all the fields and got rid of it all.

01:35:47.000 So he's literally talking to this officer in front of the poppy fields.

01:35:52.000 You see these guys...

01:35:52.000 That's crazy.

01:35:54.000 U.S. military, right?

01:35:55.000 Yes.

01:35:56.000 Play this.

01:35:56.000 Oh, my God.

01:35:57.000 Play this.

01:35:59.000 We're going to head to Afghanistan. 0.97

01:36:01.000 Let's go.

01:36:03.000 This morning.

01:36:04.000 We're going to head to Afghanistan. 0.97

01:36:06.000 The Taliban is using it to intimidate the population.

01:36:10.000 From Helmand province is Geraldo Rivera.

01:36:12.000 Good morning to you.

01:36:14.000 Geraldo, tell us what you've seen during your days there in Afghanistan.

01:36:20.000 Hi, Alison, Dave, and Clayton.

01:36:21.000 Yes, in some ways, the Marines brilliantly executed invasion of Marja, this town in the middle of Helmand province, was the easy part.

01:36:31.000 The hard part now is governing this province, a province, as you suggest, that has become addicted to opium in many, many ways.

01:36:38.000 That is the principal crop that is being grown here.

01:36:41.000 The Taliban lend the farmers the money.

01:36:44.000 They are indebted to the Taliban. 0.77

01:36:46.000 They have to grow the opium.

01:36:48.000 Now the Marines, in their success, Wow.

01:37:11.000 You really can't make this up.

01:37:12.000 It gets better!

01:37:14.000 A wonderful group of Marines here.

01:37:16.000 I know that you care deeply about this contradiction, the fact that here you have one of the best fighting forces in the world ever mounted, and in a sense you're watching as this opium is being grown.

01:37:28.000 I know it grinds at your gut.

01:37:31.000 How do you deal with it?

01:37:32.000 What are you doing about it?

01:37:33.000 Well, frankly, this is a part of their culture.

01:37:35.000 So while it might grind in my gut, it's what they do.

01:37:39.000 We provide them security.

01:37:41.000 He was given very strict orders that morning.

01:37:44.000 Yeah.

01:37:45.000 Different crops to grow.

01:37:46.000 They're getting the seed and the fertilizer.

01:37:48.000 They're getting different crops.

01:37:49.000 Grow tomatoes, guys.

01:37:50.000 Yeah, right.

01:37:51.000 Hey, you can grow apples.

01:37:52.000 My favorite statistic about that era is that that that I'm going to get the number wrong, but it...

01:37:59.000 Opium has only grown in so many places, right?

01:38:02.000 And it used to be in the Vietnam region in Southeast Asia, the Golden Triangle.

01:38:06.000 Then it changed to the Golden Crescent, which is Afghanistan. 0.91

01:38:10.000 When that era happened, it was something like 70%, 80% of the world's opium supply was coming from Afghanistan.

01:38:16.000 And if you just do a little math and think it through, you realize that we have this gigantic opioid market of legal opioids, of the Sackler family and all these pharma companies.

01:38:27.000 And you realize that it's physically impossible for them not to be in on this scheme.

01:38:32.000 Because where are they growing their opium?

01:38:35.000 They're not growing it here.

01:38:36.000 They're not growing it in, like, Africa.

01:38:39.000 So, by definition, when you just think through what's going on here, you realize that some of those opium fields are illegal heroin, and some of those opium fields are big pharma.

01:38:48.000 It coincides with the opioid crisis in America.

01:38:51.000 Direct one-to-one, dude.

01:38:52.000 The pharmaceutical-grade prescribed opioid crisis in America as it goes up.

01:38:57.000 And then you see at one point in time, Afghanistan was responsible for 94% of the world's opium.

01:39:05.000 Bingo.

01:39:05.000 There's the stat.

01:39:06.000 While we are...

01:39:08.000 Occupying.

01:39:09.000 Now it's Myanmar, which also just went through a military coup.

01:39:12.000 Yep.

01:39:12.000 I mean, they've always got to control.

01:39:14.000 So, opium has been one of the most important crops to control ever since the British Empire and, like, the days of tall ships.

01:39:20.000 You know about the opium wars with China?

01:39:21.000 Yes.

01:39:21.000 That was a funny history to learn about.

01:39:23.000 Yeah, crazy. 0.99

01:39:24.000 Yeah, because that's the thing is that I've been basically learning everything from scratch as I've gone because I didn't know shit. 0.90

01:39:29.000 I was just like, how many years have you been in this? 0.54

01:39:31.000 Two.

01:39:31.000 Less than two.

01:39:32.000 That's so crazy.

01:39:32.000 I mean, like, I was learning before that.

01:39:34.000 You must be a plant.

01:39:35.000 I know, right?

01:39:36.000 You must be some sort of an operative.

01:39:37.000 I'm a Mossad agent.

01:39:38.000 You're just good at it.

01:39:39.000 Just, you know, if you're good at it, if you're Whitney Webb or if you're you or any of those people.

01:39:43.000 It's just a scientific process of having the right degree of, like, understanding of just, like, the right amount of, like, need to see primary sources and real evidence and the ability to look and test a hypothesis and see what comes out and not being attached to one conclusion.

01:39:57.000 Beyond what the evidence actually suggests.

01:39:59.000 Also, not being afraid to seem foolish to the uninformed. 0.94

01:40:03.000 Absolutely. 0.60

01:40:03.000 Because so many people will dismiss most of what we've talked about today. 0.60

01:40:07.000 Yeah.

01:40:07.000 Offhand.

01:40:08.000 Yeah.

01:40:09.000 Without any...

01:40:10.000 Especially people that only consume the Wall Street Journal and mainstream media.

01:40:14.000 But I had the benefit of being a normie when I started, and so I walked my way in piece by piece.

01:40:20.000 So you know how they think, too.

01:40:21.000 Like, I started with all the BlackRock conspiracy theories. 0.53

01:40:23.000 I started with who owns...

01:40:25.000 Who owns the tampon aisle? 1.00

01:40:27.000 Who owns all these things?

01:40:28.000 And I would go into the grocery stores and do the videos in the grocery stores where I would go to the cereal aisle and be like, who owns all these cereals?

01:40:34.000 And it turns out the entire cereal aisle is three companies and...

01:40:38.000 I mean, the tampon aisle is even better because they're all getting sued for having reprotoxic chemicals in the tampons.

01:40:43.000 Right.

01:40:43.000 Meaning they'll kill your reproductive system.

01:40:45.000 Well, not only that, toxic shock syndrome.

01:40:47.000 Exactly, right?

01:40:48.000 Yeah.

01:40:49.000 And so that sort of, I like walked myself slowly into learning and I walked my audience along with me.

01:40:54.000 And I also developed this understanding of, I mean, I used to be a teacher.

01:40:57.000 And so I have this, a certain understanding of like, how do you communicate in a way that's speaking from their perspective instead of from my perspective?

01:41:05.000 Which right now I'm just talking to you instead of talking to them, 'cause it's more fun.

01:41:09.000 But when I actually make my videos, I do my best to try to put myself in the shoes of who I'm trying to access and what do they know and what do I need to communicate and show evidence of for them to understand that you can look into this and check my sources.

01:41:22.000 And you can think about this You have permission to think about this.

01:41:26.000 You do a very good job of citing your sources and telling people where to look if they want to find out more information about it too because a lot of it is a real big deep dive.

01:41:34.000 It's the most important part by far.

01:41:36.000 It's like unless you're you, unless you're a person who does it for a living, the amount of time that it takes to find out about this stuff and then even you who's been in for two years doing this, there's There's decades of layers you need to uncover.

01:41:47.000 And it'll take forever.

01:41:49.000 Like, Whitney Webb's been doing it for how long?

01:41:50.000 Oh, I don't even know, dude.

01:41:51.000 Alex Jones has been in the game for 30-plus years.

01:41:53.000 Exactly.

01:41:54.000 And there's still always more to learn and always more to connect.

01:41:56.000 And we get new information that puts new light on old situations.

01:42:00.000 It's this constant rearranging game of understanding.

01:42:03.000 And I just love that...

01:42:05.000 I mean, yeah, most people don't have time for all of it, but as we're sort of stratifying into this ecosystem of content of, like, creators and journalists and thinkers, that we're all kind of collectively doing the work together, and some of us are more integral than others.

01:42:17.000 Some of us are just clickbaiters, and some of us are, like, I'm somewhere in the middle.

01:42:20.000 And then you get some people that are really professional about it, like...

01:42:24.000 Problematically professional about it, like they can only get so much done.

01:42:27.000 Have you ever looked into the Oklahoma City bombing?

01:42:29.000 No, not much actually.

01:42:30.000 Not hardly at all.

01:42:31.000 But I know it's one that's like one of those seminal moments.

01:42:34.000 That's a good one.

01:42:35.000 First of all, the amount of damage to the building is not something that you would get from a fertilizer bomb.

01:42:40.000 And the way a fertilizer bomb would work in front of the building, that building's blown out.

01:42:46.000 Exactly.

01:42:47.000 And the FBI was retrieving unblown bombs from the building.

01:42:52.000 Interesting. 0.98

01:42:53.000 Not only that, the whole Timothy McVeigh thing is fucking wild. 0.93

01:42:58.000 When you go down the rabbit hole and start looking into it... 0.98

01:43:01.000 It seems like a false flag.

01:43:04.000 It seems or it seems like someone else planted bombs inside that building and they blamed it on this fertilizer bomb.

01:43:10.000 What would that false flag have taken us to?

01:43:13.000 They passed different gun laws and different laws afterwards.

01:43:17.000 Yeah, I mean 9-11 is the perfect example of that kind of false flag of this thing that's crazy that has all these questions that get covered up and then we just go to war in the Middle East with a country.

01:43:27.000 And we have the Patriot Act and the Patriot Act 2. All the spying.

01:43:30.000 Yeah.

01:43:31.000 Drop all the missing money, all these things.

01:43:34.000 Incredible amounts of control and surveillance now gets used on the population.

01:43:39.000 Who do you think did 9-11?

01:43:42.000 Or what conglomerate of groups do you think were involved?

01:43:46.000 For sure, the Saudis were involved, right? 0.99

01:43:49.000 I mean, a lot of the people were Saudi.

01:43:51.000 A lot of the people were Saudi.

01:43:52.000 I don't know if that necessarily means that the Saudi government had anything to do with it.

01:43:54.000 It could mean it was just people that were recruited by another organization that were with the Saudis.

01:44:01.000 What do you think happened at Tower 7?

01:44:05.000 That's a good question.

01:44:06.000 That's a weird one, right?

01:44:07.000 I think the Tower 7 had information in it about both.

01:44:10.000 I think it probably had information in it about the planning of the attack and or what was going on with the attack.

01:44:15.000 But I also think it had information about other things that needed to go away.

01:44:19.000 Maybe it's old CIA operations.

01:44:21.000 Maybe it's banking information.

01:44:22.000 Maybe it's information about the trillions of dollars that was missing that Donald Rumsfeld talked about the day before 9-11.

01:44:29.000 So he gives a press conference in front of the Pentagon.

01:44:31.000 Was the Pentagon?

01:44:32.000 Is that where it was?

01:44:33.000 I don't know where the press conference was.

01:44:34.000 I mean, I think it was in a room, but I'm not sure.

01:44:37.000 So he gives this press conference.

01:44:39.000 This press conference, he says, there's trillions of dollars they can't account for. 1.00

01:44:43.000 And everybody's like, what the fuck? 0.95

01:44:44.000 The very next day, 9-11 happens, and in one of the buildings where they store data, that building mysteriously implodes like a controlled demolition. 0.98

01:44:55.000 Like, no building has ever collapsed, ever.

01:44:59.000 Just because of fire.

01:45:00.000 And structural damage, for sure, but it's the way it collapses.

01:45:03.000 Even from planes hitting buildings, no building has ever collapsed like that.

01:45:06.000 Other planes have hit buildings.

01:45:07.000 Bombs have gone off in buildings.

01:45:09.000 All sorts of stuff has happened to buildings, and they don't fall down like the main towers did, let alone Building 7. Right.

01:45:15.000 It's all real weird.

01:45:17.000 At the very least, if that was my building, I'd be like, I'm suing. 1.00

01:45:20.000 You guys made a shit building. 0.99

01:45:22.000 Yeah, except that he took out special insurance against plane crashes and against terrorism right before it. 1.00

01:45:29.000 But you would take out insurance against...

01:45:33.000 Because that place had already been the victim of a bombing.

01:45:36.000 It had been.

01:45:36.000 I mean, that was in the Biggie song.

01:45:37.000 Blow up like the world trade.

01:45:40.000 Classic move.

01:45:40.000 Talking about Biggie, Diddy is on the menu.

01:45:43.000 But it's important to mention, as we're getting into all these government conspiracy theories, and CIA did it, Israel did it, Saudi did it, no one's saying ever, unless you're dumb, that the whole government of any of these countries did it.

01:45:56.000 Like people, it's like in the anti-Israel crowd, people get smeared a lot for like, as though you're claiming that all of Israel did 9-11 or all of Israel did this thing.

01:46:03.000 Or when you're talking about the CIA, it's more obvious when you're talking about the CIA.

01:46:06.000 We're not saying that the whole CIA did something.

01:46:08.000 Right.

01:46:09.000 We're saying that these groups, these covert intelligence agencies, they are fertile ground for walled off areas of need to know information behind levels of security clearances where plots can be hatched.

01:46:20.000 And they always have been. 0.98

01:46:21.000 That's the whole fucking point of an intelligence agency is to hatch plots. 0.99

01:46:23.000 Right. 1.00

01:46:25.000 Unreal that they would have such an evil and fucked up plot right Right. 0.99

01:46:32.000 9-11 happened when I was in grade school, and I remember where I was and all that shit. 0.99

01:46:36.000 And that was the seed that just sort of set under the ground until BLM that eventually sprouted for me. 0.63

01:46:44.000 I always knew there was something weird, and I saw Zeitgeist when I was way younger. 0.66

01:46:47.000 So I knew that there's weird shit in this world, but I was a leftist that just wanted to go snowboarding and stuff, so I didn't really think about it until... 0.78

01:46:54.000 It walked into my city and told me to stay inside and get a jab and all sorts of shit. 0.99

01:46:59.000 So they really fucked up with that one. 0.99

01:47:01.000 They really fucked up with that one. 0.98

01:47:02.000 Well, I think they thought they had us. 0.99

01:47:04.000 They thought they did.

01:47:05.000 All the people that are in power are operating on a paradigm that existed before the internet.

01:47:09.000 Exactly.

01:47:10.000 Do you know Mickey Willis at all?

01:47:12.000 No.

01:47:12.000 Do you know the Plandemic films at all?

01:47:14.000 No.

01:47:14.000 Oh, dude, you should really check them out.

01:47:16.000 Yeah, he's around this area, and I had not seen them before.

01:47:20.000 Plandemic 1 was this doctor named Judy Mikovits that blew the whistle really early on, and that is one of the things that got all this, like the fact that you haven't heard of it and seen it.

01:47:30.000 No, I've heard of it.

01:47:31.000 Exactly.

01:47:31.000 I've heard of it.

01:47:32.000 I just haven't seen it.

01:47:33.000 But I was so balls deep in the COVID thing that I didn't want to see anything more because it was me.

01:47:39.000 I was a part of it.

01:47:40.000 You were a part of that censorship.

01:47:41.000 Yeah.

01:47:41.000 She got that same kind of treatment of like smear campaigns left and right and just hatred.

01:47:45.000 The smear campaign against me, though, was so eye-opening.

01:47:49.000 When you know that something's not true that's being said on CNN over and over and over again.

01:47:54.000 About yourself.

01:47:55.000 About yourself.

01:47:55.000 And then they take your face and they make you green.

01:48:00.000 He's taking horse past!

01:48:01.000 It was so crazy to watch and to be a part of that it was like, wow, I'll never trust again. 1.00

01:48:06.000 Because now I know you guys are full of shit. 1.00

01:48:08.000 And that was a big thing that red-pilled a lot of regular people. 1.00

01:48:10.000 Like myself included.

01:48:12.000 And a good example of my take on that is I didn't know about ivermectin beforehand.

01:48:16.000 So I didn't even just be like, oh, Joe Rogan said that. 0.97

01:48:18.000 I was like, fuck it, I'll look it up. 0.99

01:48:20.000 They said that it was an award-winning medication. 1.00

01:48:22.000 I'll find the goddamn award that they got for it. 0.98

01:48:24.000 So I looked it up and I found it. 0.99

01:48:26.000 It's like, okay, cool.

01:48:26.000 Not only that, I said...

01:48:29.000 They only locked on to this horse pace thing.

01:48:32.000 Well, because ivermectin is a great threat to their profit.

01:48:35.000 They can't make money off of it.

01:48:37.000 And it works very, very well if you get it early enough.

01:48:40.000 But imagine they ignored all the other stuff I took.

01:48:43.000 I said I took IV vitamins.

01:48:44.000 I took prednisone.

01:48:46.000 I took Z-Pak. 1.00

01:48:48.000 I took monoclonal antibodies.

01:48:51.000 I have a theory about that.

01:48:53.000 And it's that they can't get an emergency use authorization if there is a drug that can be considered a cure, like a preventative.

01:48:59.000 A treatment.

01:49:00.000 A treatment, right?

01:49:01.000 Just a treatment.

01:49:01.000 And so they, right?

01:49:02.000 And so they, and I mean, you've said this many times, right?

01:49:04.000 Is they needed to act all treatments because the one that they went with was administered IV post, like in the hospital.

01:49:12.000 And it was very, very...

01:49:15.000 Expensive. 0.99

01:49:16.000 Remdesivir is a whole super fucking dark rabbit hole. 0.99

01:49:19.000 It causes kidney failure. 0.99

01:49:20.000 Oh yeah, and they knew that full well.

01:49:21.000 They had already tested it out in Africa.

01:49:25.000 And RFK's book, The Real Anthony Fauci, opened my eyes in a big way.

01:49:29.000 In mine as well.

01:49:30.000 Yeah.

01:49:31.000 And he still has not been sued.

01:49:32.000 No, I was very...

01:49:34.000 I was skeptical about him before I read that book because they had done a great job of connecting him to fringe conspiracies and making him look like a kook. 0.99

01:49:43.000 He's the one Kennedy that's out of his mind.

01:49:46.000 And it had been long enough since he was not a kook because he started doing the vaccine stuff for these moms that were coming to him with vaccine-injured kids.

01:49:53.000 And he was not...

01:49:54.000 Trying to do vaccine stuff.

01:49:56.000 But he saw these kids and was like, I need to fight for these people.

01:49:59.000 And he had been spending time talking about mercury poisoning because he was an environmental attorney.

01:50:03.000 And he had successfully sued all these corporations that were dumping into rivers.

01:50:07.000 He cleaned up the East River.

01:50:08.000 I mean, he did so much great work as an environmental attorney that people forget about because they did such a good job.

01:50:15.000 And again, this is before social media and the internet. 0.92

01:50:18.000 You could do a great job of smearing someone and making them look nuts. 0.84

01:50:21.000 Remember Jenny McCarthy? 0.99

01:50:23.000 They speared the shit out of Jenny McCarthy because she was suggesting that her child changed after her child was vaccinated. 1.00

01:50:28.000 And her child got autism. 0.99

01:50:30.000 Bingo.

01:50:30.000 And this is when they were doing the multi-vaccines in one day and dosing kids up.

01:50:36.000 And they made her look like a fucking idiot. 1.00

01:50:38.000 And they removed her from Hollywood. 1.00

01:50:41.000 She essentially got blacklisted.

01:50:43.000 That's the story, right?

01:50:44.000 Yeah.

01:50:44.000 There are certain narratives that are golden cows that you cannot touch.

01:50:47.000 And the vaccine industry has always been one of them.

01:50:49.000 The thing about that one is we all would agree.

01:50:51.000 I would have agreed.

01:50:53.000 If you got a hold of me six years ago and asked me about vaccines, they're one of the most important inventions in history.

01:50:59.000 And then you read, have you ever read Dissolving Illusions?

01:51:03.000 No.

01:51:03.000 Read that book.

01:51:06.000 All of those diseases had dropped off because of sanitation and nutrition.

01:51:12.000 Yeah, I've seen the graphs.

01:51:13.000 Yeah, they all had dropped off.

01:51:15.000 And then the vaccines come along.

01:51:16.000 Measles included, speaking of the current thing that's a controversy.

01:51:19.000 Which is an infection that everyone got when I was a kid.

01:51:22.000 And what happened was you'd get sick for a few days and then you'd be immune for life.

01:51:26.000 Yep.

01:51:27.000 Yeah.

01:51:28.000 And they're making it look like everyone's dying from measles.

01:51:31.000 Like, no.

01:51:31.000 If you're dying from measles, you're sick.

01:51:34.000 You're already compromised, which is exactly what happened with COVID, where 90-fucking-plus percent of the people who died had four-plus comorbidities. 0.97

01:51:43.000 Yep. 0.93

01:51:43.000 Jesus Christ. 0.93

01:51:44.000 Which is why it was such a red pill for me, because I was, like, literally an ultramarathon runner that was going to the gym, like, three hours a day.

01:51:52.000 Like, I don't...

01:51:54.000 I need natural immunity.

01:51:55.000 I already have natural immunity. 1.00

01:51:56.000 Go fuck yourselves. 1.00

01:51:57.000 Like, what are you doing? 1.00

01:51:58.000 And the reason why I was talking about Mickey Willis and Plandemic is because the second Plandemic is called Indoctrination.

01:52:04.000 And it's basically a magnum opus about how the vaccine industry, this golden cow, is not just like, it's not just one thing or this thing or one thing.

01:52:12.000 It's a organized like group of profit takers that has been growing for decades.

01:52:17.000 And Bill Gates and he like lays out how Bill Gates got into it and is on camera saying how many profits he's made off of vaccines and how great of a business model vaccines are.

01:52:26.000 And vaccines as a concept, great concept, but it is so lucrative if if manipulated and corrupted that really evil people started to do really evil things with it.

01:52:37.000 Also, you have complete immunity to liability. 0.94

01:52:41.000 Well, they got that orchestrated partway through that sequence because they were starting to get sued like fucking crazy. 0.97

01:52:47.000 Right. 0.94

01:52:47.000 Because there was all kinds of injuries. 0.94

01:52:49.000 This is the Reagan administration, right?

01:52:50.000 Exactly.

01:52:51.000 Yeah, Reagan passed that act. 1.00

01:52:52.000 They've got to stop that.

01:52:53.000 You can't just give people immunity because then they lie.

01:52:57.000 They lie so they can sell more stuff.

01:52:59.000 And then they get caught like they did with Vioxx and they only pay a percentage of the profits.

01:53:03.000 And it's not just that you can't give them immunity.

01:53:06.000 It's that you cannot just punish with fines.

01:53:08.000 You have to punish with prison time.

01:53:10.000 Because if you don't punish with prison time, it will never change.

01:53:13.000 That's true of the drug industry.

01:53:14.000 That's true of our corrupt government.

01:53:16.000 Officials that are like, for example, the person that was withholding these Epstein documents from Pam Bondi and she fired him?

01:53:22.000 No!

01:53:22.000 Put him on a stand and at least give him a trial to make sure he didn't commit treason or something else, right?

01:53:28.000 And maybe he's fine and you let him go and he's just fired.

01:53:31.000 But if you're not going to send the Epstein clients to prison, if you're just going to fine a couple people, like 2008 banking collapse, we'll fine all the bankers a little bit and we'll just put one little pawn of a banker in jail. 0.79

01:53:44.000 That's why we have this crazy fucking, like, 2008 was horrible, but it was by no means the last market crash that we're having.

01:53:52.000 Because no one ever went to jail. 0.96

01:53:54.000 They just switch their tactics around and get ready for the next profit-taking event.

01:53:58.000 Yeah, and they've already paid everybody off so that they get preferable treatment.

01:54:02.000 And this is exactly what happens to the pharmaceutical drug companies.

01:54:04.000 When they get caught, they just pay fines.

01:54:06.000 They don't go to jail.

01:54:08.000 They killed 50,000, 60,000 people with Vioxx.

01:54:11.000 The thing about white-collar crime is it's real profitable and there's no consequences.

01:54:14.000 And they have the media because they sponsor the media.

01:54:17.000 And usually they're in bed with these intelligence agencies and organized crime aspects in some The idea that they're not is crazy.

01:54:42.000 The idea that you're going to have 94% of the world's opium and you're just going to ignore it while you're occupying the country with a military force and guarding the fields? 1.00

01:54:50.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

01:54:51.000 So that was George W. Bush, right? 1.00

01:54:54.000 But George H.W. Bush, this is one that's not totally declassified yet, but I've been digging deep into it.

01:54:59.000 I got a whole bunch of documents on it, and it's kind of declassified, is that during Vietnam era, we were managing all the opium production and the heroin production in Laos and in the surrounding area, and it was being sold to American service members to make money for the CIA for black operations.

01:55:15.000 And that was George H.W. Bush.

01:55:18.000 That was his time.

01:55:19.000 That's why his nickname is Poppy.

01:55:22.000 It's not because he's, like, the dad.

01:55:24.000 It's because he was brought into that organization with Richard Helms.

01:55:27.000 No way.

01:55:27.000 That's the reason why his name...

01:55:29.000 Oh, no!

01:55:29.000 That's why his nickname is Poppy.

01:55:31.000 And that is still not mainstream CIA, like, disclosure news. 0.99

01:55:35.000 There's a whole fucking rabbit hole about it. 0.95

01:55:38.000 Like, it is kind of disclosed that we were involved in that drug trade somewhat. 0.99

01:55:41.000 But it's not disclosed that...

01:55:43.000 That's why all the Vietnam veterans came home addicted to heroin. 1.00

01:55:47.000 Because the CIA was selling heroin to them and to a lot of other parts of the world in order to raise funds for their black budget operations.

01:55:53.000 Because the CIA has always had trouble funding all their operations.

01:55:56.000 Which is also what they did with crack cocaine in Los Angeles.

01:55:59.000 Bingo!

01:55:59.000 With Freeway Ricky Ross.

01:56:00.000 It's all tied in.

01:56:02.000 So Bill Colby, who put that all together, he was a...

01:56:08.000 He was in the heroin operations in Vietnam and he was like a little lower down and not running it.

01:56:13.000 And then...

01:56:14.000 As he grew up and came to power in the CIA, and those other guys that were more competent, Richard Helms being the primary one, Richard Helms and H.W. Bush, they were not involved when he went off on his own and tried to set up the cocaine smuggling.

01:56:26.000 And that's why he bungled it so fucking bad, because he was a psychopath that didn't have the skill sets required in order to run something that complex. 0.93

01:56:33.000 And it eventually, when Barry Seal got popped, he was the guy that was flying the, like, it used to be I'll drive a truck with a brick of cocaine across the border, and then Barry Seal was this military CIA pilot. 0.98

01:56:44.000 I don't know. 0.75

01:56:45.000 I'll just fill my whole fucking plane with cocaine and you get like a thousand runs in one. 0.98

01:56:49.000 And he was just flying whole planes over to Mena, Arkansas, where Bill Clinton was the governor. 0.99

01:56:55.000 Yeah.

01:56:55.000 As well as a few other places.

01:56:56.000 That Tom Cruise movie where they get a call from the governor.

01:57:00.000 Bingo.

01:57:00.000 And they have to let Barry Seals out, which did happen.

01:57:03.000 Oh, yeah.

01:57:03.000 And when Barry Seals finally got popped, all the rats started to run and try to look out for their own.

01:57:09.000 And eventually that led to Oliver North taking the stand and totally bungling his fucking job on the stand. 0.99

01:57:14.000 Like, bro, you're supposed to be the fall guy. 0.99

01:57:16.000 And now we just have this huge fucking problem. 0.99

01:57:18.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:57:19.000 It's wild.

01:57:20.000 Dude.

01:57:21.000 And these are just one of thousands of stories like this.

01:57:25.000 Yep.

01:57:26.000 Thousands and thousands of stories.

01:57:27.000 Very well documented that originally, originally, you're a fringe reporter, Gary Webb.

01:57:32.000 You're making it all up. 0.99

01:57:33.000 You're a disgrace. 0.99

01:57:35.000 And Gary Webb's writing Dark Alliance. 0.99

01:57:36.000 You can look up his Wikipedia page.

01:57:38.000 And Gary Webb exposed how Freeway Ricky Ross was the outlet for all this cocaine. 0.97

01:57:42.000 And holy shit, Freeway Ricky Ross is a crazy story. 0.96

01:57:46.000 I've had him on three times. 0.99

01:57:48.000 Yeah?

01:57:48.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:57:48.000 I had him on recently.

01:57:49.000 Dude, what an interesting guy, right?

01:57:50.000 He's selling weed in L.A. now.

01:57:52.000 Legally.

01:57:52.000 Dude!

01:57:53.000 What a full circle.

01:57:54.000 He goes from wanting to be a tennis pro to being the number one kingpin of cocaine.

01:57:59.000 Well, not only that.

01:57:59.000 Business mastermind.

01:58:01.000 Doesn't know how to read.

01:58:02.000 Yeah, illiterate the whole time.

01:58:04.000 Yeah, learned how to read in jail, became a lawyer in jail, and then realized that the three strikes law had been inaccurately applied to him.

01:58:12.000 Whoa, I did not know that.

01:58:14.000 Yeah, they applied it to one specific event.

01:58:17.000 It's supposed to be you get arrested three different times for three felonies. 0.99

01:58:21.000 No, I think that they needed to cover it all up because shit was starting to come out. 1.00

01:58:25.000 Because Gary Webb was starting to fucking... 0.99

01:58:26.000 I mean, maybe Gary Webb was after that, but then Gary Webb... 0.99

01:58:29.000 Committed suicide by shooting himself in the head two times.

01:58:32.000 Yeah.

01:58:33.000 It's like, okay, guys.

01:58:34.000 Yeah.

01:58:34.000 Crazy movie about that, too.

01:58:36.000 Yeah, crazy, crazy, crazy.

01:58:38.000 There's so many of these things. 0.95

01:58:40.000 It's like the idea of a conspiracy theory being a ridiculous fringe thing doesn't hold water anymore.

01:58:46.000 It's like the Jimmy Dorskitt.

01:58:47.000 It's like, reading?

01:58:49.000 You mean reading?

01:58:50.000 You should try it.

01:58:52.000 Jimmy's the best.

01:58:52.000 I love Jimmy so much, dude.

01:58:54.000 He was just here.

01:58:54.000 What a legend.

01:58:54.000 He just filmed his new special at The Mothership.

01:58:57.000 Yeah.

01:58:58.000 Jimmy's the best.

01:58:59.000 I love him to death.

01:59:00.000 I've known him from comedy, just from comedy, from back in the day.

01:59:03.000 And then when he was at Young Turks, when he was a leftist.

01:59:06.000 Which he really still holds all those same values.

01:59:09.000 No, he holds it down.

01:59:10.000 You and him are the two guys I point to, and him a little more than you now, of when I'm like, where's the sane left still at?

01:59:17.000 It's kind of like you guys.

01:59:18.000 And Eric Weinstein is a good example.

01:59:20.000 Eric and Brett Weinstein.

01:59:21.000 There's a couple. 0.96

01:59:22.000 But a lot of them have just gone insane.

01:59:24.000 Taibbi's another one.

01:59:25.000 Taibbi's great.

01:59:26.000 I love Taibbi. 0.99

01:59:27.000 Yeah, and but they boy did they get fucking attacked boy. 0.81

01:59:31.000 They have a lot of pressure Yeah, it's like it's so hard to know what's real in the world and unless you have Schellenberger unless you have Glenn Greenwald if you unless you have those people out there That are risking their neck. 0.95

01:59:44.000 They're sticking their neck out there to tell you exactly what's going on.

01:59:47.000 This is what funded it.

01:59:48.000 This is how it started.

01:59:50.000 Don't let them say any differently.

01:59:51.000 We made an agreement with Russia.

01:59:53.000 We did this.

01:59:54.000 NATO did that.

01:59:55.000 This is what's going on.

01:59:56.000 Can't be bought.

01:59:57.000 And it's so important.

01:59:59.000 And they rise now.

02:00:00.000 There's so many of them now.

02:00:01.000 And it's becoming much more mainstream.

02:00:04.000 And if you look at some of their videos, it's millions of views.

02:00:07.000 And then you find that MSNBC is getting a fraction of that.

02:00:10.000 And they're, you know, corporate-funded, enormous, huge organizations with staff, and now they're hemorrhaging people.

02:00:17.000 It's wild to watch the mainstream journalists, like the MSNBC folk, have to leave.

02:00:22.000 Like, Joy Reid just left, for example, and like, when Don Lemon left.

02:00:25.000 They got fired.

02:00:26.000 They can't say left, because they didn't want to leave.

02:00:28.000 They got kicked out.

02:00:29.000 But they try to make it in the new media world, and they're just like, you have no value here, because you were never good at this job.

02:00:35.000 You were just good at reading propaganda to us.

02:00:38.000 You look good, and you got put on camera. 1.00

02:00:39.000 Whereas Tucker Carlson gets kicked out and he fucking slays it! 0.99

02:00:43.000 And he just grows bigger and bigger and bigger because he's not bought and he's not scared and he actually is good at communicating and interviewing and getting to the truth. 0.98

02:00:50.000 And it's so cool to watch this seismic shifting in the industry.

02:00:54.000 Yeah, it's really fascinating.

02:00:56.000 It's a fascinating time.

02:00:57.000 And I think it's good for humans.

02:01:00.000 Oh, yeah.

02:01:01.000 It's good for the human race. 0.99

02:01:03.000 And there's going to be a lot of bullshit out there. 0.97

02:01:05.000 There's a lot of stuff that's not true, but that's okay, too. 0.99

02:01:07.000 You'll figure it out.

02:01:09.000 Well, the truth will rise.

02:01:11.000 There's too many people that are telling the truth.

02:01:13.000 And there's too much that's undeniable that once you start reading, you start questioning virtually everything.

02:01:19.000 Fun tie for two things you guys were just talking about.

02:01:21.000 Oh, yeah.

02:01:21.000 Southern Air Transport.

02:01:23.000 This is the airline, right?

02:01:24.000 This is the airline used.

02:01:25.000 It came out the same day that they filed for bankruptcy after being in Columbus, Ohio, being used by Leslie Wexner's limited company.

02:01:33.000 Leslie Wexner is deeply tied in to those CIA... A lot of roads lead back to Columbus, Jamie.

02:01:38.000 Oh yeah, and it's all because of Leslie Wexner.

02:01:43.000 Jamie's got his own conspiracy.

02:01:47.000 Heard that.

02:01:48.000 I'm with you on that.

02:01:50.000 It's wild how many of these things...

02:01:52.000 And again, before the internet, this is how they did business.

02:01:56.000 This is why it's so sloppy.

02:01:57.000 It's because before the internet, you didn't have to cover your tracks.

02:02:01.000 You could get away with this stuff.

02:02:02.000 And the thing about the internet that I love that gets me called a...

02:02:05.000 I love that all of their tactics work Backwards too.

02:02:11.000 I can use those tactics too.

02:02:13.000 I can make propaganda.

02:02:14.000 Because what propaganda is, is just convincing messaging. 0.99

02:02:17.000 And if you have convincing messaging in the hands of an evil fucking megalomaniacal dictator, government, CIA, whatever it is, that's really bad. 0.96

02:02:25.000 But if you have propaganda tools in the hands of regular citizens that have morals and values that want the best for the world, correctly applied, you can fight back against them. 0.97

02:02:34.000 And so there's this element where I'm like, I'm looking at how do you...

02:02:38.000 Open people's minds.

02:02:39.000 Like, how do you strategize to, like, get your...

02:02:41.000 And it's a balance, right?

02:02:42.000 Because when I'm reporting on something, it's important to tell the truth.

02:02:46.000 It's important to be accurate.

02:02:48.000 And accuracy, if you really dig enough and get enough accuracy, that reduces entertainment value.

02:02:54.000 But if you find the way to balance entertainment value with accuracy the right way, which is always a moving target, you can change the world.

02:03:02.000 Like, I'm a regular dude two years ago.

02:03:03.000 I was an Uber Eats driver, an ultra-marathon running guide.

02:03:05.000 I was like a no-one in the middle of nowhere.

02:03:07.000 And then I'm like, alright, I'll just contribute.

02:03:09.000 And I'll start trying to tell these stories, trying to learn and communicate what's going on.

02:03:13.000 Well, you also have to have a particular knack for it.

02:03:15.000 You do.

02:03:16.000 And you have to be really interested in these things.

02:03:18.000 Interest is the most important part.

02:03:19.000 Very, actually, totally, completely interested in it.

02:03:22.000 I think that a lot of people try to get into, like...

02:03:25.000 Podcasting and, like, this internet field these days because it's, like, what you're supposed to do.

02:03:29.000 It's a business.

02:03:29.000 But they don't realize that that's going to be your job every day for the rest of your life.

02:03:32.000 You better fucking love it. 0.97

02:03:33.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.98

02:03:34.000 Well, you're seeing that with a lot of podcasters where they just start off and then they fall off because they can't do it because they're not interested.

02:03:40.000 Yep.

02:03:40.000 And it's a lot of work and a lot of hassle and there's no guarantee of success.

02:03:43.000 Right.

02:03:43.000 It's, like, a very saturated industry.

02:03:45.000 And you have to actually be locked in with what you're talking about because if you're not, there's too much competition.

02:03:50.000 There's too many people that are locked in.

02:03:52.000 Yep.

02:03:53.000 Okay, what do you think is going on with the whole UAP thing? 1.00

02:03:56.000 Dude, I love this fucking conversation. 1.00

02:03:58.000 I love this fucking conversation. 1.00

02:04:00.000 It's the most interesting. 1.00

02:04:00.000 I never get tired of it. 1.00

02:04:02.000 Do you want to go the angle of, like, what are the crafts, or do you want to go the bigger angle of, like, what is the phenomenon?

02:04:07.000 Okay, let's start with what is the phenomenon.

02:04:10.000 I think that right now, science and religion and UAP exposure are all converging on similar truths.

02:04:17.000 And what I mean by that is that... 0.98

02:04:20.000 Science, so you know the science of consciousness, how we don't really know where the fuck consciousness comes from? 0.99

02:04:24.000 Right. 0.88

02:04:25.000 But there's a lot of people that start to suggest that it sounds like we're antennae that are receiving consciousness from some sort of consciousness field or some sort of other, like...

02:04:32.000 Have you read any Thomas Campbell?

02:04:33.000 No, I don't think so.

02:04:34.000 You should read The Big Toe, Theory of Everything.

02:04:38.000 It's very bizarre stuff.

02:04:39.000 Very hard to swallow.

02:04:41.000 You gotta go back and listen to it multiple times. 1.00

02:04:43.000 I like that kind of shit. 0.99

02:04:45.000 I had him on the podcast and at the end of it I was like, we gotta stop here. 1.00

02:04:49.000 Think about everything you said and then we'll bring you back and we'll go deeper.

02:04:53.000 Because he wanted to keep going and go deeper and deeper.

02:04:55.000 He's been living in these realms.

02:04:56.000 It goes and goes, dude.

02:04:57.000 Because you're talking metaphysics, you're talking physics, you're talking history and disclosure about history and dimension.

02:05:04.000 And I suspect that whatever consciousness is coming from is...

02:05:07.000 This multiverse, this This consciousness field, this ether, this multidimensional thing, whatever.

02:05:11.000 I suspect that's very similar to what UAPs are traversing in and out of and through.

02:05:17.000 And I suspect that's very similar to what we identify as either the gods plural, the aliens plural that have these abilities we don't have, as well as gods singular, which is probably the highest up above all of those things.

02:05:30.000 I suspect there's a version of all these things that are starting to converge on one truth.

02:05:34.000 Because when you learn about remote viewing, that's what really...

02:05:37.000 It for me was learning how much money the CIA has invested in remote viewing over the years. 0.96

02:05:42.000 The CIA is not spending millions and millions of dollars on some crackpot bullshit that's not going to work. 0.91

02:05:47.000 They would for a little while, but they've been doing it and doing it and doing it. 0.97

02:05:50.000 And now we've got disclosure from people that are coming out whistleblowing that they are doing it today and I'm in the program and this is how we did it.

02:05:56.000 Have you listened to the telepathy tapes?

02:05:58.000 I've listened to a few, a little bit of them.

02:06:00.000 I've not listened all the way through.

02:06:01.000 I had Kai Dickens on the podcast the other day and she explained the whole thing.

02:06:04.000 Like, provable.

02:06:05.000 Hours and hours and hours of nonverbal autistic kids who have telepathy. 1.00

02:06:10.000 Provable telepathy.

02:06:12.000 Undeniable.

02:06:13.000 That's crazy, dude.

02:06:13.000 100% accuracy.

02:06:15.000 Wild.

02:06:16.000 Wild stuff.

02:06:16.000 And I suspect that all of that is...

02:06:19.000 And there's a weaponization of it.

02:06:20.000 I mean, it's not just public study of it.

02:06:22.000 There's definitely been private study of it by the intelligence agencies and probably the weapons developers for a long time.

02:06:27.000 I mean, I was very surprised to hear Elon's answer to your alien question the other day, which I understand that he...

02:06:32.000 Probably couldn't talk about it anyway.

02:06:34.000 That's how I take all of his answers about aliens.

02:06:36.000 Yeah.

02:06:37.000 Nice try.

02:06:38.000 I had to try.

02:06:39.000 But there's no way.

02:06:41.000 I don't ask him about it off air either.

02:06:42.000 Yeah.

02:06:43.000 I don't.

02:06:43.000 I mean, you've got to respect a man's private.

02:06:46.000 He's got NDAs up the wazoo for that kind of shit. 0.99

02:06:48.000 Also, he has top secret military clearance and he runs SpaceX. 1.00

02:06:52.000 Bingo. 0.99

02:06:53.000 Yeah, I wouldn't say jack shit. 0.99

02:06:55.000 And that's where Flat Earth comes in. 0.99

02:06:56.000 They're all real.

02:06:57.000 They're very subtle.

02:06:58.000 That's what I would say too.

02:06:59.000 Exactly.

02:07:00.000 And I think that Flat Earth, a lot of the evidence that gets cited as Flat Earth, like, for example, NASA fakes footage.

02:07:06.000 And if you look into it, it's fucking obvious that NASA is putting out fake footage.

02:07:09.000 They're clearly on wires in some of that footage. 0.99

02:07:11.000 Clearly some of that footage is underwater and there's bubbles fucking floating up and shit. 0.98

02:07:14.000 Which footage? 0.98

02:07:15.000 Just like NASA publishes all kinds of footage.

02:07:18.000 From like the ISS, to they have live streams, to they do like videos, and no one ever watches it.

02:07:22.000 Because like, whoever watches random NASA footage.

02:07:23.000 So you think some of the ISS footage is fake?

02:07:26.000 There's a lot of footage you can find online that is coming from NASA where there's like little slips or like a guy is like, they're doing their floating shit and then the buddy reaches out and grabs where a wire is to help his buddy get back into frame.

02:07:38.000 Like little slips of the mind where they're like just trying to orchestrate.

02:07:41.000 I've never seen any of that.

02:07:42.000 And who knows if it's real or not?

02:07:43.000 I've seen the moon landing footage that looks hokey.

02:07:45.000 Yeah, so all I'm saying is that gets cited by flat earthers as like, NASA's covering up flat earth.

02:07:50.000 And what I'm saying is that there's a lot of reasons why NASA would cover up and produce fake footage from something like the ISS, and every single one of them rhymes with aliens. 0.97

02:07:58.000 Because if there's any type of aliens going on up here, it's very possible that they are up there in that fucking space station. 0.98

02:08:04.000 What? 0.99

02:08:05.000 Or like, they could be, like, I don't know.

02:08:07.000 And I'm not saying I think they are for sure.

02:08:08.000 I'm just saying that people tend to look at a...

02:08:15.000 And sometimes there's other explanations.

02:08:17.000 And aliens apply to so many parts of our world, like demons.

02:08:23.000 Sound very much like the UAP phenomenon to me, right?

02:08:26.000 A lot of these religious beliefs sound very much like explainable, just with different wording, by UAP phenomenon.

02:08:32.000 As in, some of these aliens, we seem to be being told that they communicate telepathically.

02:08:37.000 They have energetic ability, right?

02:08:39.000 I'm getting to the point where I'm suspecting that we're going to be finding out that religion is like humans trying to interpret these phenomenon over millennia in all the human ways we would.

02:08:50.000 And telling stories about them.

02:08:51.000 And I'm not saying that God's not real.

02:08:52.000 I'm saying God is real.

02:08:54.000 And that does not diminish God at all.

02:08:56.000 I almost think it makes God more important and more powerful to understand.

02:09:00.000 Because from my understanding, correct me if you have a different one, it sounds like we're getting a lot of reports that are cross-corroborating that there's more than one thing going on here.

02:09:09.000 It's not all aliens are the same.

02:09:11.000 Some of them might be us from the future.

02:09:13.000 Some of them might be us from under the water.

02:09:15.000 Some of them might be other species.

02:09:19.000 All these phenomenon are, but they're definitely not just made up.

02:09:24.000 And I think some of them are ours.

02:09:25.000 I agree.

02:09:26.000 I think the cover-up is the weird part, though.

02:09:31.000 It's like, if you go back to Operation Blue Book, when they started doing that, the sole purpose of Operation Blue Book is to take any credible story and make it look ridiculous.

02:09:43.000 And they talked about that openly.

02:09:45.000 And then Hynek, when he left Operation Blue Book, became a believer.

02:09:49.000 And start talking about UFOs being real.

02:09:51.000 That's a big old red flag right there.

02:09:55.000 I mean, the UFO community is filled with people like that.

02:09:58.000 And it's really hard to know who's who.

02:10:00.000 It's super hard to know who's who.

02:10:02.000 And did you notice how recently, like a month ago sort of, there was this breaking story that set the whole UAP community on fire about this disclosure that I think Jeremy Corbo was coming out of whistleblowing on, if I remember correctly.

02:10:13.000 That they were saying that they're going to trick us by saying that there's a mothership around.

02:10:19.000 Right.

02:10:20.000 Yeah, I did hear that.

02:10:21.000 And it becomes this thing where it's like, how do you know?

02:10:23.000 He's saying that he's exposing it, but how do you know if he's exposed?

02:10:27.000 It's just like, it's the ultimate test of, are you skeptical enough and also open-minded enough and thoughtful enough? 0.99

02:10:33.000 Also, if there's a believer, get them some bullshit. 1.00

02:10:36.000 Feed the believer some bullshit. 1.00

02:10:38.000 Exactly. 1.00

02:10:38.000 They don't even have to know that they're in on it, right? 1.00

02:10:40.000 They don't have to know. 0.99

02:10:41.000 And it could be kind of plausible bullshit, and it could be corroborated with some other bullshit that you have. 0.99

02:10:47.000 I think that's what most bullshit artists are in most fields. 1.00

02:10:51.000 I think it's usually useful idiots. 1.00

02:10:53.000 Like, people like myself, genuinely. 0.99

02:10:54.000 Like, I am in some ways one of those people in the sense that if I get fooled by something, I become that.

02:10:59.000 Right.

02:10:59.000 Which is why it's so important to think really carefully and to be okay with being wrong.

02:11:03.000 Right.

02:11:03.000 Because you never know what your sources are.

02:11:05.000 Yeah.

02:11:06.000 And that's also why I'm really careful not to do very many, like, leaks or whistleblows or, like, because... 0.99

02:11:12.000 How do I know who the fuck you are? 0.98

02:11:14.000 I don't want to spend all the time to try to vet you and find out where you came from and your story came from. 1.00

02:11:18.000 I'd way rather just learn.

02:11:20.000 There's so much to learn.

02:11:20.000 One of the weirdest things about Jacques Vallée's work is that Jacques Vallée has been documenting this stuff, again, since I think the 50s or the 60s is when he started, but he's also documented historical stories.

02:11:33.000 And the historical stories...

02:11:35.000 You mean like from before modern times?

02:11:36.000 Like 1700s, 1800s, and these stories are the same story.

02:11:41.000 They're the same story about people who never heard of them.

02:11:43.000 Not only that, in the 70s, he's documenting this woman that in California found an egg-shaped craft in her yard.

02:11:52.000 She tells this story about confronting this being.

02:11:56.000 There's an egg-shaped craft. 0.99

02:11:57.000 These fucking egg-shaped crafts, all described by people who don't know that someone else has described this story. 0.99

02:12:04.000 And no one would ever choose an egg shape when they're describing an aircraft. 0.99

02:12:07.000 Right, right, right.

02:12:08.000 Especially back then.

02:12:10.000 And it's also all telepathic communication.

02:12:13.000 It's all like weird moments.

02:12:15.000 Same stories.

02:12:16.000 Lapse of time.

02:12:17.000 Memories confused.

02:12:19.000 You feel like your brain's been erased.

02:12:21.000 Don't know what's going on.

02:12:22.000 You find yourself in a field.

02:12:23.000 How did I get here? 0.99

02:12:24.000 There's a lot of weird shit that's like the same story over and over and over again. 0.99

02:12:29.000 Too much so that you get... 0.99

02:12:30.000 First of all...

02:12:31.000 Clearly, when you're dealing with things in the 1700s and 1800s, it's not modern propaganda.

02:12:35.000 It's not the government.

02:12:36.000 They're not covering up drones in the 1700s. 0.98

02:12:39.000 So why are these stories in the fucking Bhagavad Gita? 0.89

02:12:43.000 I mean, you could make the argument, not the Bhagavad Gita, but you could make the argument that back then people were writing fiction or wanted attention. 0.97

02:12:49.000 Those could apply, but I'm skeptical.

02:12:52.000 But yeah, I get down with the ancient ones. 1.00

02:12:54.000 With the Graham Hancocks of this world, that was my first conspiracy theory stuff back when I was a leftist. 0.72

02:12:59.000 I was just like, ancient conspiracy theories, let's go.

02:13:01.000 And it's so compelling.

02:13:03.000 The Great Flood, the Randall Carlsons of this world, and the way that they kind of talk about...

02:13:06.000 And it's so obvious, more and more and more, that there is a cover-up.

02:13:10.000 And Jimmy Corsetti has been really going hard at mainstream archaeology lately.

02:13:14.000 He's fantastic.

02:13:15.000 To not just look at the evidence of the old school, like the ancient conspiracy theories, but actually to just go at the cover-up today.

02:13:21.000 Because that sometimes is the most effective thing, is to just target the cover-up.

02:13:24.000 Because that is clear evidence that we're onto something.

02:13:27.000 Who knows what it is?

02:13:28.000 Because of Jimmy Corsetti and his experience.

02:13:30.000 Exposure of them planting those trees in Gobekli Tepe.

02:13:33.000 Yeah, he changed it.

02:13:35.000 Yeah, they're changing it.

02:13:35.000 They're pulling those trees out.

02:13:36.000 Because he was one of the first people to say, hey, those roots are going to damage these ruins.

02:13:41.000 And they're like, no, no, no, it's fine, it's safe.

02:13:44.000 And then they're like, actually, the roots are damaging the ruins.

02:13:46.000 But then you do get people that go all the way to...

02:13:52.000 The guy that thinks Nibiru is the 12th planet or whatever.

02:13:55.000 Zacharias Sitchin.

02:13:57.000 There's people that go so far down these ancient conspiracy theory rabbit holes that I feel like we're getting way off track here, guys.

02:14:02.000 We're starting to cite sources that are not credible and we're taking it to places where maybe the Anunnaki were here to mine gold and maybe we're very plausible that we're all genetically engineered, I think. 0.98

02:14:14.000 But there's a fine line between Maybe that could be true.

02:14:19.000 Those stories are the best, though.

02:14:21.000 They are fun.

02:14:22.000 I'm planning to write a book that is sort of like a series of books, really, across my later life, that is basically...

02:14:29.000 Imagine writing a book that is set in the...

02:14:31.000 You could write ancient books about the old school where if that book was real, you could still wind up in today's world with all the same evidence we have, and it could be real.

02:14:40.000 Even if back then it's crazy magic and there's all this crazy shit going on, it could still end up with, oh, the pyramids are left over from that, and oh, the ruins are here after that great flood thing happened.

02:14:50.000 And then you could write all kinds of crazy conspiracy theory stories into today that like... 0.61

02:14:56.000 How could you prove that this is not real?

02:14:58.000 I just think that's the most fun aspect is how much we don't know.

02:15:02.000 Well, the evidence of ancient technology is one of the more fascinating aspects of trying to piece together our past because Whatever explanation you try to use to make the pyramids, none of them work.

02:15:13.000 Nope.

02:15:13.000 Not even close.

02:15:14.000 None of them work.

02:15:15.000 None of them work. 0.97

02:15:16.000 And even their purpose doesn't make any fucking sense. 0.91

02:15:18.000 Clearly they were not tombs. 0.95

02:15:20.000 No.

02:15:20.000 I mean, pretty clearly they were some sort of power generation or something like that.

02:15:23.000 Well, we've seen Christopher...

02:15:29.000 I've been seeing Timothy, the Grand Master of the Knights Templar guy that's going around on podcasts these days.

02:15:34.000 Timothy someone, someone?

02:15:35.000 Yeah, dude, it's crazy.

02:15:37.000 Chris Dowd, right?

02:15:38.000 Christopher Dowd.

02:15:39.000 So, Christopher Dowd is...

02:15:41.000 Dunn.

02:15:42.000 Christopher Dunn.

02:15:43.000 Sorry, Chris.

02:15:44.000 Christopher Dunn came on the podcast.

02:15:45.000 Dowd is a different guy's last name.

02:15:46.000 Yeah.

02:15:46.000 Right?

02:15:47.000 Yeah, I'm thinking of Mike Dowd from The 7-2, the documentary on the corrupt...

02:15:51.000 So what's Dunn saying?

02:15:52.000 Christopher Dunn is all about...

02:15:54.000 Well, he's an engineer.

02:15:55.000 And his theory was that it was a giant power plant.

02:15:57.000 And he has a very sophisticated Giza the power plant.

02:16:01.000 Very sophisticated...

02:16:02.000 Is he talking about the aquifers underneath them and the two types of stone sort of a thing?

02:16:05.000 He's talking about the physical structure of the way the pyramid was made and that there was...

02:16:12.000 Excuse me.

02:16:13.000 This subterranean chamber that they used to generate a pounding of vibration that went through the entire structure of the pyramid.

02:16:21.000 It generated this vibration.

02:16:22.000 And they had chemicals that were coming in that were producing hydrogen.

02:16:25.000 He had the king's chamber, the way it's lined up.

02:16:28.000 This is exactly how you do it if you were trying to do this.

02:16:30.000 Everything matches up mathematically.

02:16:32.000 It's fascinating.

02:16:33.000 And they're built on aquaphoras from the Nile flooding every year.

02:16:36.000 And every year when the Nile floods, water rushes underneath those pyramids.

02:16:40.000 Through these like stony kind of like porous rocky structures under there It's just there's so many interesting versions of what it could be at the very least It's a mystery and it's also a mystery that shows fantastic engineering and construction methods and The ability to move rocks and bring them from 500 miles away through the mountains that are 50 tons.

02:17:03.000 Like, how?

02:17:04.000 I suspect telepathy of some form.

02:17:06.000 I suspect, like, alien capability.

02:17:08.000 Do you think it's technology or do you think it's like...

02:17:10.000 Well, it's some kind of technology, right?

02:17:12.000 You don't think it could possibly be that aliens have the ability to literally move things with their minds?

02:17:17.000 I mean, look, if you're dealing with something that can come here from another planet and communicates telepathically, who knows? 0.98

02:17:23.000 Who fucking knows?

02:17:25.000 Even if it's human beings, let's say it's super sophisticated human beings that lived at the very least 4,500 years ago, because that's the conventional dating of the construction. 0.98

02:17:35.000 Even that, you're like, how?

02:17:37.000 Yeah, we can't do it today.

02:17:39.000 How?

02:17:39.000 And people that say we can't, sure, we could.

02:17:42.000 It would take hundreds of years.

02:17:44.000 Jimmy Corsetti's done some great videos where he compiles real videos of us moving large objects today, and the trucks breaking and the cranes falling off of cliffs and all this shit of like, look at how hard. 0.77

02:17:54.000 It's crazy. 0.94

02:17:56.000 It's crazy.

02:17:57.000 And the idea that they were completed in 20 years, which is the reign of Khufu.

02:18:01.000 It's nonsense.

02:18:02.000 And it's also like these archaeologists, they're clinging to this narrative because this is what they taught in school.

02:18:08.000 This is what they wrote books about.

02:18:09.000 And then when you look at the cover-up, there's no reason for that level of cover-up if it's just...

02:18:16.000 A building technology.

02:18:17.000 That's where I start to go, clearly that is connected to these UAP technologies, to these free energy technologies, whatever it is.

02:18:24.000 There has to be some sort of reason why covering up how these ancient structures and ancient cultures were built and worked has to relate somehow to something very important and valuable today.

02:18:34.000 I think they also have to somehow or another explain it because to say that it's impossible opens up too many doors and it removes the expert.

02:18:44.000 Because you're not an expert anymore because you're one of us now. 0.97

02:18:47.000 You might know more about that site than I do, but you still don't know what the fuck happened. 0.86

02:18:53.000 So you have to claim or at least push it out there. 0.97

02:18:57.000 You're the voice of reason.

02:18:59.000 You're the voice of...

02:18:59.000 This is the actual historians.

02:19:02.000 We're the real archaeologists.

02:19:03.000 Don't worry.

02:19:04.000 We've got it covered.

02:19:05.000 I saw a really funny meme the other day that was...

02:19:07.000 It was like four pictures and it was humanity gets really intelligent and invents AI. AI builds all these crazy technology...

02:19:17.000 Yeah, it could be.

02:19:21.000 I mean, how would we know?

02:19:22.000 Or it could be the asteroids that hit, or the comets that hit at the Younger Dryas Impact Theory.

02:19:27.000 It is an interesting split in the conversation, right, between the solar flare conversation and the comet impact conversation.

02:19:32.000 Right.

02:19:32.000 And there's, like, evidence for both.

02:19:33.000 Right, right.

02:19:34.000 It could have been both at once.

02:19:35.000 It could have been both.

02:19:35.000 Or across a period of a thousand years or something.

02:19:37.000 Well, that's the Younger Dryas Impact Theory.

02:19:39.000 They think there was more than one event.

02:19:41.000 They think there was an event around 11,800 years ago, and then again around 10,000 plus years ago.

02:19:46.000 And this makes sense why civilization sort of emerges.

02:19:50.000 6,000 years ago. 0.99

02:19:52.000 Because it's like, we were probably fucking savages for thousands of years. 1.00

02:19:56.000 We were probably monsters. 0.99

02:19:57.000 I mean, I'd imagine that we only lived inside of sorts of like Ellora Caves type places for a while, right?

02:20:02.000 Right.

02:20:02.000 Which is still found evidence of these massive underground structures that they can't explain.

02:20:08.000 Why would someone use their resources in a time of hunters and gatherers to build these underground structures that are fucking insane? 0.93

02:20:15.000 Like, multiple football fields underground. 0.95

02:20:18.000 Entire city.

02:20:19.000 That can house thousands and thousands of people.

02:20:22.000 And a couple of smart researchers point out really astutely that if you were doing that to hide from other humans, to protect yourself from other humans, you would never dig into a cave system that you should get drowned in.

02:20:33.000 Right.

02:20:33.000 You would never dig into a cave system that has no way out so that you can just get sealed in.

02:20:37.000 Right.

02:20:37.000 That's clearly not, it wasn't to escape humans.

02:20:39.000 Also, you'd have to leave to get food.

02:20:40.000 Bingo.

02:20:41.000 You'd be trapped.

02:20:42.000 Like the Mongols used to famously sit outside cities for weeks just waiting for people to starve. 1.00

02:20:47.000 We'll just wait.

02:20:49.000 We have plenty of food out here.

02:20:50.000 And that's another example of this exact same phenomenon we're talking about of these old control systems that work perfectly well in the old era.

02:20:57.000 And now that we have these communication technologies and everyone's getting linked together, it's just the free flow of ideas that just...

02:21:03.000 It's like this natural evolution of consciousness and humanity that we just naturally start to break through those...

02:21:10.000 I'm of the mindset that...

02:21:12.000 Yeah, we can all change the world.

02:21:13.000 And yeah, our choices do matter a lot.

02:21:15.000 But also, in some ways, we're all just part of this cosmic system of the evolution.

02:21:20.000 We're all just part of this giant humanity system where we're all collectively on balance with all the weird probabilities of all these people.

02:21:27.000 We're going to evolve technology.

02:21:28.000 We were going to industrial revolutionize.

02:21:30.000 We were going to find oil.

02:21:31.000 We were going to discover electronics.

02:21:32.000 We were going to invent AI. It was always going to happen.

02:21:35.000 And this is an era that is always what's going to happen.

02:21:37.000 And it will happen one way or the other.

02:21:39.000 We affect how it happens.

02:21:41.000 We could go the Whitney Webb dystopian, like they rule us with surveillance everywhere.

02:21:46.000 Or we could go to this great utopia of everyone has enough and we're all...

02:21:51.000 Well, I think she's right that that's a possibility.

02:21:54.000 Oh, it's a super important one to talk about, too.

02:21:56.000 Well, you know, Elon talks about, like, there's an 80% chance that AI will save us, 20% chance that it'll rule us.

02:22:02.000 I do respect how he openly will say that, like, yeah, the things I'm inventing could be used for evil.

02:22:08.000 Like, the things I'm inventing are dangerous.

02:22:10.000 And we need to be careful and regulate them properly and create them with intention and careful care.

02:22:16.000 I don't know if he's necessarily doing as much as I would hope he's doing to take...

02:22:20.000 I'm sure glad it's him and not...

02:22:22.000 Jeffrey Epstein, who was deeply interested in all these same technologies, this is a whole other side of him that no one talks about, is his interest in technologists and geneticists and all those things, right?

02:22:32.000 Yeah, well, he had a lot of influence over scientists.

02:22:34.000 That's a creepy move to take scientists and bring them...

02:22:37.000 Throw parties for them, throw conventions for them.

02:22:39.000 And a couple of them had some serious accusations, like Marvin Minsky, for example, but I bet a lot of them were not compromised.

02:22:47.000 Like Stephen Hawking.

02:22:48.000 Everyone freaked out when Stephen Hawking was on the list, but it makes perfect sense.

02:22:52.000 You realize that he was throwing conventions on that island for scientists, specifically, to bring them all together because that way you get connections, you can get favors.

02:22:59.000 Even if you're not blackmailing them, then they just want to be on your good side because you have all these connections and you can fund all their projects and you become this integral part of this technological sort of space.

02:23:12.000 Blackmail is not the only two.

02:23:14.000 That's a blunt instrument.

02:23:15.000 There's a lot of just...

02:23:17.000 Just connections.

02:23:18.000 He also just hooked people up with wives.

02:23:20.000 Like, do you know that he claimed that he introduced Melania to Trump?

02:23:22.000 Yeah.

02:23:23.000 Yeah, that's a crazy one.

02:23:24.000 I suspect, Melania conspiracy time, I suspect that Melania has been whispering in Trump's ear, I think she was trafficked.

02:23:31.000 Before.

02:23:32.000 Either bad traffic or just like knew Epstein and knew that world a little bit.

02:23:37.000 But I suspect that she's been whispering in his ear about what that really is and does and all that things.

02:23:42.000 Because a lot of...

02:23:43.000 She's been kind of like acting from the back a lot.

02:23:45.000 But when you really dig into what Melania's been doing, she's very...

02:23:48.000 very active in anti-trafficking and in protecting traffic victims and girls and stuff.

02:23:53.000 And as Trump, when he married her, and then they have Barron, and he's watching his son grow up.

02:23:58.000 So you have this young child, and you have this wife telling you about her previous life, probably, and just whispering in your ear that, like, this could be your legacy.

02:24:05.000 This could be your legacy.

02:24:05.000 This could be your legacy, right?

02:24:07.000 Because he used to be friends with those people, even though I don't think he was blackmailed, because I think that would have come out when the Democrats were going for him.

02:24:14.000 And maybe he was involved in the trafficking a little bit because of the things that he bought and the people that he knew and, like, Roy Cohn connections.

02:24:21.000 But I don't even know about that.

02:24:24.000 But regardless, he knows the game.

02:24:27.000 And then he marries Melania.

02:24:29.000 And then more and more, he was in charge when Epstein went down. 0.96

02:24:32.000 He was the only one that when Epstein got arrested and they were going around asking for dirt, he was like, I'll fully fucking cooperate. 1.00

02:24:37.000 Fuck that guy. 1.00

02:24:38.000 I'll tell you everything that I know. 1.00

02:24:40.000 And so I suspect that Melania has been instrumental in his sort of shift to being the only guy willing to go after those traffickers.

02:24:46.000 Out of all the information that's getting disclosed, supposedly, this administration, what do you have the least faith that we're going to come to a conclusion?

02:24:56.000 Epstein, for sure.

02:24:56.000 Epstein.

02:24:57.000 And I think it's because of Israel. 0.95

02:24:58.000 Really?

02:24:59.000 Because I think, I mean, when you really dig into Epstein...

02:25:02.000 His entire network was Israel.

02:25:04.000 It was clearly.

02:25:05.000 Ehud Barak was the ex-prime minister and the ex-head of Israeli intelligence.

02:25:08.000 Leslie Wexner was one of the most powerful pro-Israeli philanthropists.

02:25:11.000 The whole organization was Israel.

02:25:13.000 And I'm not saying it was all of Israel.

02:25:15.000 It was all an intelligence gathering.

02:25:17.000 And it was targeting Americans.

02:25:19.000 It was targeting American officials and the American president.

02:25:21.000 And the CIA does have interest in those targets, too.

02:25:25.000 Elements in the CIA does.

02:25:26.000 Certainly they had help from the CIA. And certainly they had help from these other organized crime and intelligence operations.

02:25:32.000 So, for example, Dan Bongino, the new deputy director of the FBI, he recently had this clip that went all around where he said on camera that he had a source that he trusted deeply.

02:25:43.000 And he's an informed guy.

02:25:44.000 He was at a Fox News interview, and the source told him that Epstein was working for an intelligence agency in the Middle East.

02:25:49.000 And I don't know which one, but someone in the Middle East.

02:25:51.000 And to be fair, we all already knew this.

02:25:53.000 We already know who he worked for.

02:25:55.000 At least I think so.

02:25:56.000 But I'm looking at, okay, Dan, so...

02:25:58.000 If this giant group of Jewish billionaires is running a sex trafficking operation targeting American politicians and business people and stuff, you think they're working with an Arab or Muslim nation in the Middle East? 0.76

02:26:09.000 Like, you think that Leslie Wexner is devoting his entire life to philanthropies on behalf of Israel, but then he's going to work for Saudi Arabia when he's doing this trafficking? 0.73

02:26:18.000 Right.

02:26:19.000 But if someone says to him...

02:26:20.000 That they're all working for a country in the Middle East, knowing he knows what that means, but not specifying?

02:26:27.000 Doesn't he kind of have to repeat it that same way?

02:26:30.000 Well, he also has to repeat it the same way because he won't get the job if he says Israel.

02:26:33.000 Because Israel has so much control over our government right now. 0.95

02:26:36.000 And I'm not saying that all Jews are in on something.

02:26:39.000 Clearly.

02:26:39.000 Internet.

02:26:40.000 Thank you.

02:26:40.000 And Joe is definitely not saying that.

02:26:42.000 Definitely not.

02:26:43.000 But Israel's government is every bit as...

02:26:48.000 As vulnerable to the deep state effect as the American government.

02:26:52.000 But I would argue that Israel's government is way more vulnerable to it because of the people that founded Israel and the way it was founded.

02:26:58.000 It was founded in a modern time, much more recently.

02:27:02.000 It was a revolutionary founding.

02:27:04.000 And I can totally sympathize with the Jewish desire to have that state.

02:27:07.000 I get it.

02:27:08.000 But because of the way that happened, the people that founded Israel were a bunch of organized crime figures in America, the Jewish mob, that were helping with money and with arms. 0.77

02:27:22.000 And then the people that were there, the three different organizations, the Irgun, the Lehigh Group, and the Haganah, those were the three paramilitary groups that fought to found Israel, and they're like the heroes of Israel, which I understand the narrative that they're heroes, but...

02:27:40.000 When Israel was officially founded, they officially designated Irgun and Lehi as terrorist organizations because they had been bombing civilians.

02:27:47.000 They'd been bombing British civilians.

02:27:49.000 The first official act of terror before they changed the definition was the bombing of the King David Hotel, where these terrorists, these Lehi and Irgun terrorists, a bunch of different groups, the guy who planned that bombing later became the prime minister of Israel.

02:28:03.000 They were bombing...

02:28:05.000 Civilians.

02:28:06.000 And so when those are the groups that are fighting to found that nation, even if all the Jews there are wonderful people, the leadership is inherently composed of these people that have been deeply corrupt for all time. 0.73

02:28:19.000 And so you get this fertile ground for this kind of deep state effect to take power.

02:28:23.000 And when you start to research the heads of state of Israel over history, you realize that a bunch of them were in those groups doing those terrorist acts and have done a bunch of dark stuff because...

02:28:34.000 Those were the people that were at the top of that military organization.

02:28:37.000 Those terrorist organizations reformed to form the IDF. And what's interesting is you can talk about this now post-October 7th.

02:28:45.000 It opened wide open.

02:28:46.000 Post-Gaza.

02:28:47.000 You want to know a funny story, actually? 0.97

02:28:48.000 I didn't know shit about it.

02:28:50.000 And I started doing 9-11 stuff. 0.82

02:28:52.000 And I was doing a 9-11 video on my YouTube.

02:28:54.000 And I knew about the dancing Israeli conspiracy theory that is very much a real set of documents.

02:29:00.000 And I knew that I'm not allowed to talk about Israel for some reason, and I didn't really know why.

02:29:04.000 And I realized, like, I better fucking understand this thing before I crater my new channel and career on this topic I don't understand.

02:29:11.000 If I'm going to take a stance against Israel at all, I should understand why and how. 0.98

02:29:16.000 So I started doing research, and I shelved that research, and I switched to researching Israel and Palestine and the history there and what's going on.

02:29:23.000 And I finished the video, and it was October 6th, and I was like, I was very worried because it's like, you weren't allowed to talk about it.

02:29:32.000 And I had just made this whole documentary about the history of Israel-Palestine and the propaganda and what it all was.

02:29:38.000 And I published it on October 6th on my Locals channel. 0.98

02:29:40.000 And I kind of had this, like, lean back and like, if that's the end of the ride and I get canceled for this shit, so be it.

02:29:46.000 And then literally the next day, and I'm not saying that October 7th is a good thing, but I'm saying that literally the next day, the entire internet was ablaze about Israel and Palestine and everyone was talking about it. 0.94

02:29:55.000 And it was the weirdest fucking coincidence, like, And suddenly it was like, oh, all right, let's fucking dig this thing open.

02:30:03.000 Because unfortunately, it is, I mean, I think fortunately, I think that the state of the Israeli influence that sustained them for so long, that was essential to them surviving this long, I think that it has grown cancerous to the Jewish faith in general. 1.00

02:30:19.000 Because Jeffrey Epstein is the perfect example of this.

02:30:22.000 Jeffrey Epstein was the world's most...

02:30:25.000 Prolific and evil sex trafficker that we know of so far, ever. 0.87

02:30:29.000 And he very clearly was a Jewish organization of Jewish people working on behalf of Israel and other groups. 0.96

02:30:36.000 And so that's a dark stain on Israel and on the Jewish people if you own it. 1.00

02:30:40.000 Like if you try to defend that, that's not good.

02:30:42.000 You don't want to have to defend that. 1.00

02:30:44.000 You want to be free of that kind of shit because the Jewish people don't believe in that. 1.00

02:30:47.000 That's not what Jews are. 1.00

02:30:48.000 Jews are regular people.

02:30:50.000 It's the deep state of the intelligence age season in Israel.

02:30:54.000 And the thing about Israel is that... 0.54

02:30:55.000 Jewish people have every incentive to need to defend Israel, right? 0.98

02:30:59.000 Right.

02:30:59.000 Because if I'm a Jew, it's like, of course you have to defend Israel.

02:31:02.000 Like, that's very understandable.

02:31:03.000 It's your people.

02:31:04.000 And you don't want another Holocaust. 0.96

02:31:05.000 Like, you don't want another, like, Jews have been in conflict with other people for ages because they are outsiders and because they are so different and because they group up. 1.00

02:31:14.000 And lots of reasons.

02:31:16.000 But you don't, like, as a Jewish person, you're now faced with this choice.

02:31:20.000 Do I stand by Israel always, forever, for everything?

02:31:24.000 And defend everything they do, or do I get labeled as a self-hating Jew like Dave Smith gets labeled, like Glenn Greenwald gets labeled?

02:31:32.000 Do I stand against all of my culture, and do I get ostracized by my family and by my community? 0.97

02:31:38.000 But the problem is that if you have to defend everything that Israel does, you're forced to defend this fucking deep state that is in bed with these organized crime figures. 0.88

02:31:46.000 And I would argue that that Israeli deep state is just as much in bed with all the other organized crime as our deep state is, as the Saudi deep state is. 0.97

02:31:53.000 There's evil people at the top of all these governments.

02:31:55.000 Well, the thing is, Israel is connected to one race of people. 0.95

02:31:59.000 Whereas the United States, which also is involved in a lot of really fucked up things all over the world, when people think about the United States, they don't... 0.92

02:32:09.000 Bingo.

02:32:09.000 And so it just puts us all in this impossible situation, and it's an impossible conversation that we all—and I'm glad for it, because it's a maturing process.

02:32:18.000 And I think we need to do it very delicately and very carefully and thoughtfully, because Jewish people are people, and they're not evil. 0.79

02:32:24.000 But there are evil Jewish people, and there are evil American people, and there are evil Saudi people, and that's the way it is. 1.00

02:32:30.000 Well said. 0.96

02:32:30.000 And so I welcome the conversation, but unfortunately, the thing— For me, fortunately, is when I first researched it, I came across this documentary on Rumble called The Occupation of the American Mind, which is a very well put together documentary that is mostly Jewish people speaking about the history of Israel and about how they realized in the 80s when there was this specific operation where they wound up bombing this refugee camp called Sabra and Shatilla, 0.96

02:32:57.000 or a refugee camp in a place called Sabra and Shatilla.

02:33:01.000 And there was other...

02:33:03.000 I guess it was a massacre.

02:33:04.000 It wasn't a bombing.

02:33:06.000 And it was the first time where Western journalists had taken video cameras over there and video feed were coming back of the conflict of what was happening.

02:33:13.000 And American sentiment turned really harshly against Israel in the 80s there.

02:33:18.000 And they realized...

02:33:20.000 We don't need to win just the kinetic war.

02:33:23.000 We need to win the ideological war on the global scale.

02:33:25.000 Because if we don't win that ideological war, the whole world will turn against us and call us a colonial project, which I would argue they kind of are.

02:33:32.000 But that's not the point here.

02:33:34.000 And I don't mean to say I'm necessarily right about my perspective on that.

02:33:37.000 But that's when...

02:33:40.000 They switched to a propaganda war.

02:33:42.000 And they started targeting the United States with propaganda.

02:33:44.000 And they hired the world's top propagandists to teach Israelis and Israeli military officials and government officials how to communicate with the West and how to propagandize the West so that we would remain in the dark a little bit.

02:33:56.000 That's why we have this veil and this anti-Semitism thing. 0.73

02:33:59.000 It's why you're not allowed to talk about it.

02:34:01.000 Because it evolved over time.

02:34:02.000 And they eventually hired this guy that I think is called Luntz.

02:34:08.000 And Luntz worked with the Israel Project.

02:34:10.000 There's a report online that came out in 2009, I think, called the Israel Language Dictionary.

02:34:18.000 American language dictionary.

02:34:19.000 And it's basically a word for word.

02:34:21.000 This is how you discuss the rockets raining down.

02:34:24.000 This is how you discuss the settlements.

02:34:25.000 This is how you discuss the occupation and the palace and all these things.

02:34:29.000 And they use examples of words that work and words that don't work. 0.97

02:34:32.000 And when you read it, you realize like, holy shit, that's exactly what politicians have been saying on TV my entire life. 0.91

02:34:38.000 And they use Obama as one example of really good words that work. 0.97

02:34:41.000 You should talk like Obama because he's good at sort of empathizing with the other side and making us understand that like we're here.

02:34:50.000 I say that to mean that we live inside this propagandized space because it's been essential to them for so long to protect that image in order to continue the deep state element of what they're doing.

02:35:03.000 When I would argue that we would all be much better off if... 0.99

02:35:07.000 Bibi was fucking not there. 1.00

02:35:09.000 And we had a more sane person in charge of Israel that was actually there for peace and not there for whatever the fuck Bibi is doing. 1.00

02:35:16.000 And we could start to heal this thing and talk about it. 0.97

02:35:18.000 Most people in the general public aren't even aware that the Israeli people were protesting against Netanyahu before October 6th.

02:35:25.000 He's about to get kicked out.

02:35:27.000 Hundreds of thousands of people in the streets and that it had been going on for a long time.

02:35:31.000 100%.

02:35:32.000 I suspect, I'm hoping I'm not blowing the lid on Trump's idea here, I kind of suspect that Trump is kind of in on a coup against Netanyahu right now.

02:35:41.000 This is just my theory based upon the way he talked about like I suspect that these powerful Jews, like the Adelson type people, are starting to realize that Netanyahu is kind of sinking this ship. 0.96

02:35:55.000 And he's kind of fucked it all up, and it's not going well for Israel in the public conversation.

02:36:00.000 Like, I can ratio just about anyone I want on Twitter over the Israel thing, because the public sentiment is just shifting. 0.70

02:36:06.000 And it's not healthy for anyone, for Jewish people or anyone else. 0.99

02:36:10.000 And I'd suspect that the powerful Jewish people are starting to see that. 0.99

02:36:13.000 And are starting to scheme on how do we fucking get Netanyahu out of there and put someone in that can actually move us towards some sort of peace. 0.86

02:36:23.000 Because without a genuine desire for... 0.97

02:36:26.000 Netanyahu is on fucking camera saying that they have propped up Hamas in the Gaza Strip because they don't want a real government in the Gaza Strip. 0.97

02:36:33.000 Because it's far better for them to run this occupation and to eventually take the land if Hamas is... 0.97

02:36:39.000 I mean, that's not an exact quote.

02:36:41.000 Everyone should look that up for themselves.

02:36:43.000 But not just propped up, but funded.

02:36:45.000 Exactly, yeah.

02:36:46.000 And intentionally kept there.

02:36:47.000 Just when you hear that, you're like, well, what's the logic for funding Hamas?

02:36:51.000 What logic?

02:36:52.000 Well, it's the exact same logic as us funding the Taliban. 0.78

02:36:54.000 Yeah.

02:36:55.000 It's the exact same logic.

02:36:57.000 It's the exact same strategies.

02:36:58.000 Did you see that?

02:36:59.000 God, I wish I would remember where it was happening, where someone had to say, are we really sending the Taliban $40 million a week?

02:37:06.000 Yeah.

02:37:06.000 We were.

02:37:07.000 Yeah, 100%.

02:37:08.000 Yeah.

02:37:09.000 And it happens over and over and over again.

02:37:12.000 We're just sending money willy-nilly to all these, like, Ukraine, Israel, Taliban, you name it.

02:37:17.000 And those are just a small spattering.

02:37:18.000 We've done it across the whole world.

02:37:20.000 Indonesia, Central and South America.

02:37:22.000 And we've been doing it that way forever.

02:37:23.000 Forever.

02:37:24.000 And it's this playbook of...

02:37:25.000 The deep state is a funny term.

02:37:26.000 I think it's kind of time to retire it.

02:37:28.000 Because it's not the deep state.

02:37:29.000 It's like this corporate, like, transnational corporate criminal organization space.

02:37:35.000 Where transnational corporations like the banks, like J.P. Morgan, Jamie Dimon.

02:37:39.000 They were banking Jeffrey Epstein.

02:37:40.000 They don't answer to us.

02:37:42.000 They're not American. 1.00

02:37:43.000 They don't give a shit about America. 1.00

02:37:44.000 Like, they give a shit about money and power. 1.00

02:37:46.000 And they're legally required to because they're a public corporation. 1.00

02:37:49.000 That's a whole BlackRock thing we could go down.

02:37:51.000 It's crazy.

02:37:51.000 And so, like, when you look at it as people who have this globalist...

02:37:56.000 And actually, that's why people shit on Alex Jones for saying globalists. 1.00

02:38:00.000 Like, all the fucking anti-Jew people are like, just say the Jews! 1.00

02:38:04.000 And it's like, no, dude. 1.00

02:38:05.000 Like, there's way more going on here.

02:38:08.000 And the tie that binds all of them together, the Klaus Schwab's of this world, the Jeff Bezos's, and I don't know, maybe Jeff's a good guy.

02:38:15.000 I don't know. 0.86

02:38:16.000 But like the people that don't think in terms of these are my people and I love them, but rather I'm like a piece of this global community of billionaires that like our job is just to make money and fucking control the world.

02:38:26.000 Like Bill Gates is a great example. 0.98

02:38:28.000 They live outside of our world and they do not give a shit if COVID kills 10,000 people or 100,000 people or 10 million people, whatever. 0.98

02:38:37.000 And I'm generalizing because obviously they are individuals and they each have their own perspective on what's going on, but it feels to me from researching there's enough of them that are evil. 0.99

02:38:46.000 That they're doing some horrible things.

02:38:48.000 And the ones that are a little less evil, maybe they know what they're in on.

02:38:52.000 Maybe they only know some of it.

02:38:53.000 Because you don't have to disclose everything.

02:38:55.000 And these kinds of plans, like, for example, in a CIA plot to overthrow the government of Guatemala, you're not telling everyone the whole plan.

02:39:02.000 They didn't tell Smedley Butler. 0.99

02:39:04.000 No, they didn't tell him shit. 0.99

02:39:05.000 They told him that they were going to overthrow a communist that was already taking over the... 0.99

02:39:12.000 I think they probably told him that he was a Jewish communist because they think they were riding on like FDR's second in command was Henry Morgenthau Jr. And he was deeply aligned with the Jewish, like the rich Jewish kind of powers in the world at that day.

02:39:24.000 And there was a lot of anti-Jewish sentiment back then.

02:39:26.000 And so I suspect that they told Smedley Butler that like. 0.99

02:39:30.000 This guy's a fucking Jewish plant and he's part of the Rothschild thing and he's a communist, we need to overthrow him. 0.99

02:39:35.000 And Smedley didn't buy it. 1.00

02:39:37.000 Smedley collected fucking research on them and he went to FDR and he exposed the whole plot. 0.96

02:39:41.000 But the problem was that FDR couldn't do anything because these people, titans of industry, like the Bushes of the World, the Fords, I don't even know all their names at this point. 0.96

02:39:53.000 It's been a while since I did that dig.

02:39:55.000 He couldn't do anything, and so nothing happened.

02:39:57.000 He couldn't charge them because they just said, you just got out of the Great Depression, we will fuck your economy up. 0.97

02:40:02.000 Done. 0.98

02:40:03.000 Done.

02:40:04.000 There's so much power. 0.99

02:40:05.000 Let's bring this to a fucking halt. 1.00

02:40:07.000 Enough. 1.00

02:40:08.000 You freak me out.

02:40:10.000 I already blew the whole thing up, dude.

02:40:13.000 Thank you very much, man.

02:40:14.000 Let's real quickly, though.

02:40:15.000 Be clear.

02:40:16.000 Joe does not agree with everything that I just said on this podcast.

02:40:18.000 I can't believe what you said. 0.99

02:40:20.000 Yeah, Joe doesn't know shit, okay? 0.99

02:40:21.000 I am so upset that I even platformed you. 0.99

02:40:22.000 This is Ian Carroll speaking. 0.94

02:40:24.000 You're outrageous. 0.76

02:40:26.000 And also, like...

02:40:27.000 I'm perfectly willing to have a conversation about this.

02:40:29.000 I don't know that I'm right about everything.

02:40:30.000 I just know the sources I've read and where I've read them, and I try my best to figure out where they are.

02:40:35.000 Very reasonable.

02:40:36.000 Very reasonable in the way you do this, and I think it's a valuable service.

02:40:40.000 So thank you very much.

02:40:41.000 Thanks.

02:40:41.000 It was a lot of fun, too.

02:40:42.000 It was very enjoyable.

02:40:43.000 Tell everybody how they can find you.

02:40:45.000 Yeah.

02:40:46.000 Find me on X, Ian Carroll's show, and I have a new website that just launched, which is CancelIanCarroll.com. 0.96

02:40:52.000 So cancel me, bitches. 1.00

02:40:53.000 Perfect. 1.00

02:40:53.000 Come at me. 1.00

The Joe Rogan Experience - March 05, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2284 - Ian Carroll

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