The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2285 - Andrew Schulz

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00:00:13.000 Oprah's doing an episode on psychedelics.

00:00:15.000 God bless.

00:00:16.000 How about that?

00:00:17.000 God bless.

00:00:17.000 That means she's definitely done it.

00:00:19.000 Yeah, you don't do a fucking...

00:00:21.000 Are we rolling yet?

00:00:23.000 Are we rolling?

00:00:24.000 Yeah?

00:00:25.000 Yeah.

00:00:25.000 Yeah, you don't do an episode on psychedelics unless you fucking visited the Maya.

00:00:29.000 Unless you dabbled.

00:00:30.000 Unless you got in there.

00:00:31.000 You think it's ayahuasca or mushrooms?

00:00:33.000 Most of those fancy people like to do the ayahuasca.

00:00:36.000 Yeah.

00:00:36.000 You know, because then you can claim spirituality above all other people.

00:00:41.000 Oh, you think there's like a pretentiousness?

00:00:43.000 Oh, 100%.

00:00:44.000 There's a...

00:00:46.000 I've done it.

00:00:47.000 I've done it.

00:00:48.000 I've experienced the mother god.

00:00:50.000 Yeah.

00:00:51.000 The god.

00:00:52.000 Yeah.

00:00:52.000 I've experienced Gaia.

00:00:54.000 Yeah.

00:00:55.000 It's like, I think...

00:00:57.000 I think people do really do experience that, but also...

00:01:01.000 There's a certain type of personality that wants to let you know that they're enlightened.

00:01:06.000 Yeah.

00:01:07.000 They're further down the road than you, Andrew.

00:01:09.000 Yeah.

00:01:11.000 And one way to get instant street cred in the psychedelics world is to say you do ayahuasca.

00:01:17.000 Yeah.

00:01:17.000 If you do mushrooms, you might just be some asshole at a party.

00:01:20.000 You and your friends are just fucking giggling nonstop on the couch.

00:01:23.000 It could be that.

00:01:24.000 There's no points in mushrooms.

00:01:25.000 Right.

00:01:25.000 You don't get points for that.

00:01:27.000 You can say you took a heroic dose.

00:01:30.000 We get points amongst the learned.

00:01:32.000 Yeah, but the casuals don't give a fuck. 0.51

00:01:34.000 The casuals don't give a fuck.

00:01:35.000 You do ayahuasca, we're going to pay attention a little bit.

00:01:37.000 Yeah, the casuals are going to go, why did you eat 8 grams?

00:01:39.000 That seems crazy.

00:01:41.000 But the other people are going to go, whoa, what was that like?

00:01:44.000 Yeah.

00:01:45.000 Oprah's out here.

00:01:46.000 Oprah's out here pushing it. 1.00

00:01:47.000 I wonder if it's like...

00:01:48.000 I mean, this is on my friend Mark Bell's page.

00:01:55.000 Mark Smelly Bell.

00:01:57.000 And he said, what fucking year are we living in?

00:02:00.000 Like, what is happening here?

00:02:01.000 What's going on?

00:02:03.000 Yeah.

00:02:03.000 I wonder if the ayahuasca thing is, for some, like a quick fix.

00:02:08.000 You know, they're looking for, like, immediate life change.

00:02:10.000 Oh, yeah, for sure.

00:02:11.000 And also, sometimes your life has been such a colossal series of failures that you want, like, some symbolic reset.

00:02:20.000 Yeah.

00:02:21.000 And probably there's a lot of value in, like, a real...

00:02:26.000 Like, set and setting like a ritual.

00:02:29.000 Yeah.

00:02:29.000 Like, I'm a new person.

00:02:31.000 At least maybe that bullshit will give you some momentum.

00:02:35.000 For real.

00:02:35.000 To kind of get on the right track.

00:02:38.000 I was talking to Neil about this.

00:02:39.000 Neil Brennan, you know, he did it.

00:02:42.000 He's done a lot of different things.

00:02:43.000 Yeah, because he was trying.

00:02:44.000 You know, he was really battling with stuff.

00:02:46.000 He needs to get off that vegan diet.

00:02:47.000 Yeah, maybe that's it.

00:02:48.000 What if it's just...

00:02:49.000 Chicken is all he needs.

00:02:51.000 He's down in Costa Rica licking toads.

00:02:54.000 For real!

00:02:57.000 If I had that dude over my house and cooked him some elk steak, I'll change his fucking life.

00:03:01.000 If you make an agreement, just eat this with me.

00:03:04.000 He takes one bite and he's like, I am worthy.

00:03:09.000 But I think he was talking about it in like...

00:03:12.000 And he was, you know, one of his, like, superpowers is his, like, cynicism, right?

00:03:16.000 And it's really debilitating.

00:03:18.000 And I tell him this all the time, but, like, it's also amazing because he's, like, hyper-aware of what the most negative thing could be.

00:03:24.000 Right, so for joke writing, it's amazing.

00:03:26.000 It's like he's constantly wondering, like, what would his biggest hater think?

00:03:29.000 I actually think it was one of the reasons why Chappelle's show was so successful because it's, like, to create things, you need to be super confident.

00:03:37.000 You need to not worry about who's going to criticize you.

00:03:39.000 Yeah.

00:03:40.000 So if you can outsource your criticism, so if Dave can, like, think about these things and be like, okay, this is awesome, and then Neil can be like, yeah, yeah, but this would be said if we do this, and then together you have this, like, perfect combination of, like, uber confidence and then this insecurity, and then you make these things that are just masterpieces.

00:04:00.000 And hyper-analytical insecurity.

00:04:01.000 Yes.

00:04:02.000 You know, like intelligent hyper-analytical.

00:04:03.000 When you're smart and insecure, it's even worse.

00:04:05.000 Right.

00:04:06.000 Dumb and insecure, you can manage.

00:04:08.000 But then he said he did the ayahuasca and he was like, he had gave me this like, I don't know, feeling of connectedness or whatever people experience through it.

00:04:17.000 And he's like, it was really liberating.

00:04:18.000 I think I did my best work afterwards because I wasn't constantly beating myself up.

00:04:23.000 Like I was able to create.

00:04:25.000 So I think there is value in it, but I do think sometimes people are looking for like the quick.

00:04:30.000 Okay, my life has changed now and now I connect with the world and we're perfect.

00:04:35.000 You can always tell the guys who beat themselves up because they beat other people up too.

00:04:41.000 What is it?

00:04:41.000 I hurt people, hurt people.

00:04:43.000 Yeah, the guys who beat themselves up, they're always like super critical of other people.

00:04:46.000 Look at him.

00:04:47.000 Look at his fucking bullshit act.

00:04:48.000 Did you ever go through a stage like that?

00:04:50.000 Not really.

00:04:51.000 Never?

00:04:51.000 No.

00:04:52.000 No, I figured it out when I was 21. Real lucky.

00:04:54.000 I talked about this the other day.

00:04:56.000 There was one time, it was an open mic night, and the guy went on after me.

00:05:00.000 I was hoping that he would bomb.

00:05:01.000 And I remember thinking that, like, what a bitch-ass way to think that is. 1.00

00:05:05.000 Yeah.

00:05:06.000 Ugh.

00:05:06.000 Yeah.

00:05:07.000 That's such a bitch-ass way to think. 1.00

00:05:09.000 And I completely shifted my perspective.

00:05:11.000 Because, like, you don't think like that with martial arts.

00:05:14.000 Like, you can't think like that.

00:05:15.000 You know, you can't think like that.

00:05:17.000 You can't think like that ever.

00:05:18.000 That's like a weak-ass thought.

00:05:20.000 Yes.

00:05:20.000 And then I realized, like, oh, this is like your brain trying to occupy itself with, you know, this time that's going to be between you and your goal of...

00:05:32.000 Doing something in comedy.

00:05:34.000 And it's so far away.

00:05:35.000 You suck.

00:05:36.000 You're 21 years old and you suck. 0.56

00:05:38.000 So everybody else gotta suck.

00:05:39.000 So you want people to fail and you want to do better.

00:05:42.000 Yeah.

00:05:42.000 It's just a total scrambly, I don't know what I'm doing with my life thought.

00:05:47.000 Yeah.

00:05:47.000 And I realized, I was like, oh, that's a bitch-ass thought.

00:05:50.000 But that is very normal for human beings.

00:05:52.000 Oh, yeah.

00:05:53.000 There's a lot of bitches out there. 1.00

00:05:55.000 Yeah, we're kind of bitch-made in general. 1.00

00:05:57.000 It takes more effort to not be a bitch, actually. 1.00

00:06:00.000 Especially if you have a job.

00:06:02.000 So if you have a regular job job, like an office job, you will pretend to be a whole different person for eight hours a fucking day every day of your life that you're there.

00:06:12.000 That is a lot of time bullshitting.

00:06:14.000 And when you get out of all that bullshitting, there's not much you left.

00:06:19.000 Whatever could have been you never grew because whatever could have been you was stifled by fluorescent lights and a fucking monitor.

00:06:27.000 You're watching Severance, right?

00:06:28.000 Oh, yeah.

00:06:29.000 I mean, clearly it's a metaphor for...

00:06:32.000 There's a lot of things that go on to it.

00:06:33.000 There's a lot going on with that show.

00:06:34.000 And also, shout out Ben Stiller.

00:06:35.000 I didn't even know Ben had this level to him.

00:06:38.000 I've always respected Ben.

00:06:40.000 I thought he was hilarious, making great comedy movies.

00:06:42.000 But I didn't know he was an avant-garde storyteller.

00:06:46.000 Right, right.

00:06:47.000 It's also the way it's shot is brilliant.

00:06:50.000 The first episode, every shot...

00:06:53.000 I don't know who the DP is.

00:06:54.000 We should find out who that guy is.

00:06:56.000 But every shot has perfect symmetry.

00:06:57.000 Did you notice that?

00:06:58.000 I didn't notice it.

00:06:59.000 You could cut the screen in half.

00:07:01.000 Every single show.

00:07:02.000 Really?

00:07:02.000 It is a masterpiece.

00:07:05.000 But I think about that.

00:07:07.000 This idea of severing yourself, a lot of people are doing that at work anyway.

00:07:12.000 100%.

00:07:12.000 That's what you were describing.

00:07:13.000 They're this other person at work for eight hours a day.

00:07:15.000 Yeah.

00:07:16.000 They aren't their self.

00:07:17.000 There's a different identity.

00:07:18.000 They make up these little terms.

00:07:19.000 Like, oh, it's my work wife. 0.96

00:07:20.000 It's like...

00:07:21.000 Well, that's why it's so easy to push like crazy, woke nonsense into an office space because people are already bullshitting.

00:07:28.000 Oh, so if we're already pretending here, what else are we going to pretend about?

00:07:31.000 What else do I have to do to keep this job?

00:07:32.000 What do I have to do to get a promotion?

00:07:34.000 What do I have to do?

00:07:35.000 Do I have to pretend that trans kids, what is it? 0.63

00:07:38.000 Drab queen shows? 0.99

00:07:39.000 Okay, I'm in.

00:07:40.000 I'm in.

00:07:42.000 Healthcare?

00:07:43.000 Yeah, it's on my dick.

00:07:44.000 Whatever you want to call it.

00:07:46.000 Gender-affirming?

00:07:47.000 Was that what we're calling it?

00:07:48.000 Okay.

00:07:48.000 And it's interesting to see how little pushback there is from the workers now that all these programs are being wiped away.

00:07:55.000 Well, the people that are losing their job are complaining hard.

00:07:57.000 And then the senators are complaining hard.

00:08:00.000 But everybody else is happy.

00:08:01.000 Yeah, the people who have been faking it at work that are still working there are not like, damn it!

00:08:06.000 You know what I mean?

00:08:07.000 They're just going, all right, I get to be a little closer version to myself.

00:08:11.000 Well, they're probably going to get fired.

00:08:13.000 At Disney?

00:08:13.000 You're saying at Disney?

00:08:15.000 What do you mean?

00:08:16.000 I'm saying all these programs have come out.

00:08:18.000 Maybe not Disney, but it was like Zuckerberg comes out and goes, yeah, Meta, we're not going to do the DEI shit.

00:08:22.000 I think Amazon even came out and said it.

00:08:24.000 I thought you were meaning government jobs were cut by USAID. No, I'm talking about corporate jobs.

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00:09:50.000 Oh, you mean corporate DEI jobs?

00:09:52.000 It could be DEI. It could just be anybody working there in general.

00:09:55.000 But there's a bunch of people that got jobs, and their whole job was to make sure that the company was diverse.

00:10:02.000 Right.

00:10:03.000 And it's like, do you remember the Rainbow Coalition?

00:10:05.000 Do you remember Jesse Jackson back in the day?

00:10:08.000 Jesse Jackson used to...

00:10:10.000 I mean, I know Jesse, but...

00:10:11.000 He had this thing where he would go to businesses, like if they had some sort of a dispute, like say if there's some sort of an issue, like maybe some black executive got fired, maybe shouldn't have, or someone put something on the wall in the bathroom, something, Jesse Jackson will come in for a nominal fee.

00:10:29.000 For a nominal fee.

00:10:30.000 He will come in and straighten your business out.

00:10:33.000 What does straighten your business out mean?

00:10:35.000 Well, make sure that you guys are on the right track.

00:10:37.000 Give a little speech.

00:10:38.000 Collect a little check.

00:10:40.000 So basically say you're not racist.

00:10:42.000 Absolutely.

00:10:42.000 You can't be racist if you're hiring Jesse Jackson.

00:10:45.000 We're on the right track.

00:10:46.000 So he comes along, gives you the rubber stamp.

00:10:49.000 Legend.

00:10:49.000 What a legend.

00:10:50.000 And he's like balling.

00:10:52.000 Like balling out of control.

00:10:53.000 Just giving the rubber stamps to these companies.

00:10:55.000 And then on top of that, what they do is then they would have jobs for people to oversee this activity in a large corporation.

00:11:04.000 So it's basically like no-show jobs the mob used to give out at the Javits Center.

00:11:08.000 Right.

00:11:08.000 I had a buddy of mine who had one of those.

00:11:10.000 Do people know what the Javits Center is?

00:11:11.000 It's a big convention center in New York City.

00:11:15.000 In New York City, this is where Comic Con would be and all these different things.

00:11:18.000 Big stuff.

00:11:18.000 And it was mobbed up, right?

00:11:20.000 Mobbed up.

00:11:21.000 So they would have all these fake jobs that you could give to the guys around the block.

00:11:24.000 Yeah.

00:11:24.000 Everybody's getting paid.

00:11:25.000 And is probably supported by the city in some way, right?

00:11:28.000 Yeah, I don't want to say his name because he's still around, but he was an actor.

00:11:33.000 And I was working with him, and he was explaining he's got a no-show job.

00:11:38.000 Do I know who you're talking about?

00:11:40.000 Probably not, but I'll tell you afterwards.

00:11:42.000 Fucking great guy.

00:11:43.000 But afterwards, everybody was like, that guy's so mobbed up.

00:11:47.000 He's got a fucking no-show job.

00:11:49.000 You know what's funny?

00:11:50.000 You get like 200 grand a year, you don't even have to work.

00:11:53.000 Yeah.

00:11:54.000 Yeah.

00:11:55.000 I mean, there's a lot of, like, construction jobs and stuff, but this is...

00:11:58.000 Well, this is what USAID is finding.

00:12:00.000 USAID found this place in San Antonio that they spent billions of dollars on.

00:12:03.000 You thought it was only Ukraine getting money for nothing?

00:12:06.000 And it's funny, no one was there.

00:12:08.000 Completely empty.

00:12:09.000 To me, this is not, like, shocking, but...

00:12:11.000 Bro, the numbers are shocking.

00:12:12.000 No, the numbers can get shocking, but it's funny the Jesse Jackson thing is an actual job, because I remember, like, I had a joke that could never work out, but the idea...

00:12:24.000 It was Black Lives Matter when Ukraine started popping, right? 0.89

00:12:30.000 So everybody had the Black Lives Matter posters in their windows in New York.

00:12:34.000 And when Black Lives Matter kind of came down...

00:12:38.000 Well, it's once those ladies got caught buying houses. 1.00

00:12:41.000 Of course, of course.

00:12:41.000 That put a dent in it.

00:12:42.000 It wasn't great.

00:12:43.000 So now there's all these white people in New York that have Black Lives Matter in their window, but they're like, I've got to get this out of my window. 0.99

00:12:48.000 So I had this idea for a joke where it's like, if I was a black dude, I would set up a business where we will take down your Black Lives Matter poster for you and then replace it with a Ukraine flag. 0.52

00:12:59.000 You know what I mean?

00:12:59.000 So you're still a good person.

00:13:01.000 Jesse was doing it in the fucking 70s.

00:13:03.000 I had no clue the Rainbow Coalition already worked.

00:13:05.000 That is what it's called, right?

00:13:07.000 Yeah, it was the Rainbow Coalition.

00:13:08.000 He had a bunch of other things he would call it under, but the whole idea was just to make sure that people weren't...

00:13:15.000 Doing the wrong thing.

00:13:16.000 Yeah.

00:13:17.000 Do the right thing.

00:13:17.000 Yeah, you gotta do the right thing.

00:13:18.000 You gotta do the right thing.

00:13:19.000 You always gotta do the right thing.

00:13:20.000 Yeah, but the problem with that is it gets hijacked.

00:13:22.000 Obviously, there should be no racism.

00:13:24.000 There should be zero racism.

00:13:25.000 Yes.

00:13:25.000 There should be zero discrimination.

00:13:27.000 Yes.

00:13:27.000 Everything should be merit-based.

00:13:28.000 Yeah.

00:13:28.000 But the problem with that is, and this is a real problem, the country's not merit-based in terms of, like, where you're born.

00:13:35.000 Like, you didn't earn your birth spot.

00:13:38.000 Yeah.

00:13:38.000 You didn't earn your family.

00:13:39.000 Yeah.

00:13:40.000 You need to roll the dice.

00:13:41.000 Yeah.

00:13:41.000 And you get real lucky or really fucking unlucky.

00:13:44.000 Yeah.

00:13:45.000 And as a community, as a country, we pay zero attention to the completely downtrodden.

00:13:51.000 I think this is the biggest mistake that the Democrat Party has made, is not making it a class issue.

00:14:01.000 Like, the most successful people in the party, like Bernie, and you like her politics or not, but like AOC, they make it a class issue every single time. 0.98

00:14:09.000 I think AOC polled the same as Trump in her district.

00:14:11.000 Why is that?

00:14:13.000 Because people think that she wants to help.

00:14:15.000 And Bernie has just been taking shots the entire time.

00:14:17.000 He's like, look at all these billionaires.

00:14:18.000 They got a lot of money.

00:14:19.000 You don't have enough money.

00:14:20.000 Campaign finance is fucked up.

00:14:22.000 We need to stop that.

00:14:23.000 There's too much influence with people with money.

00:14:24.000 And it resonates with people.

00:14:26.000 Oh, yeah, man.

00:14:27.000 We feel like you want to help.

00:14:28.000 I mean, I feel like you were like a big Bernie dude.

00:14:30.000 Dude, that was the first time I really got canceled, was over Bernie.

00:14:34.000 Because they didn't want Bernie to win.

00:14:37.000 And so they started calling me racist and homophobic.

00:14:40.000 And I was like, where is this coming from?

00:14:42.000 When Bernie started popping, what did they say?

00:14:44.000 I don't know who they is.

00:14:46.000 You could call whoever the fuck they want.

00:14:47.000 But there was this idea that they had to thwart his success.

00:14:51.000 And these articles started coming out where it was like...

00:14:54.000 The Bernie bros.

00:14:55.000 Yeah.

00:14:56.000 Bernie's got a problem.

00:14:57.000 His fans or his supporters are sexist, they're racist, and they're these bros that are fucked up, and they're radioactive, and they're bad people, and he's got a real problem.

00:15:06.000 So they're trying to make him radioactive.

00:15:08.000 And I remember seeing the reaction to Trump coming on the pods, and it was the exact same playbook.

00:15:15.000 It was like, the Manosphere pods.

00:15:17.000 They're sexist.

00:15:18.000 They're racist.

00:15:19.000 Look how fucked it is.

00:15:20.000 Like, you're doing the same thing.

00:15:21.000 You're making it about identity politics.

00:15:23.000 I think Americans are kind of simple in that, like, we want abundance, but we want access.

00:15:28.000 So if eggs are expensive, I can't care about your bathrooms, right?

00:15:32.000 And you need to tap into that feeling right there.

00:15:35.000 So from the Democrats, I'm just, this is a class issue.

00:15:38.000 But I feel, unfortunately, a lot of them are in the pockets of these wealthy people.

00:15:42.000 Yeah, it's all a hustle.

00:15:45.000 If we had...

00:15:47.000 The entire time.

00:15:48.000 If we had brilliant people working for the betterment of the United States, it'd be a far better place to live in.

00:15:54.000 We've had a bunch of people that are capitalizing off of the fact they get in this position of extreme influence and wealth.

00:15:59.000 Yeah.

00:16:00.000 And they make insane amounts of money for people with a $170,000 a year salary.

00:16:04.000 And they keep it rolling.

00:16:05.000 So how do you do that?

00:16:07.000 Like, how do you find...

00:16:08.000 Okay.

00:16:09.000 How do you find somebody who wants power but is also benevolent?

00:16:14.000 Because you've got to get rare human beings.

00:16:15.000 That's the thing.

00:16:16.000 Most people who want power don't exactly want to give back.

00:16:20.000 It's a bottomless pit.

00:16:22.000 Bro, have you ever seen people get a little bit of power and lose their fucking marbles?

00:16:25.000 Like who?

00:16:26.000 Well, I can't say.

00:16:27.000 I can't tell the story because it would be real obvious who I'm talking about.

00:16:30.000 But it's not one of our friends.

00:16:32.000 I just don't want to say it publicly.

00:16:34.000 You don't even know him.

00:16:34.000 Okay.

00:16:35.000 But I've seen people with just, like, you get a job where you're the boss now and you just become a cunt and a half. 0.99

00:16:41.000 Like, what happened?

00:16:42.000 Do you think it exposes who they always were or do you think it actually changes their character?

00:16:49.000 It's probably both.

00:16:50.000 It's probably both.

00:16:51.000 They probably had weak character to begin with, but they could get away with it if they were not in situations that, you know, caused a lot of anxiety or stress.

00:17:02.000 But then as soon as they do get in a situation...

00:17:05.000 Like if you're the boss of some workplace somewhere.

00:17:09.000 I've just seen people just completely lose their shit when people rely on them and depend on them.

00:17:14.000 They just become tyrants.

00:17:17.000 Do you think that they resent the dependence?

00:17:19.000 I don't know what it is, man.

00:17:22.000 I don't know what it is.

00:17:23.000 You have a lot of people that depend is...

00:17:27.000 Yeah, I would say depend is tricky because they have the autonomy to not do that.

00:17:31.000 But there are a lot of people that definitely...

00:17:34.000 Rely on you, and...

00:17:37.000 Yeah, do you feel pressure from that?

00:17:39.000 Yeah.

00:17:40.000 No.

00:17:41.000 Really?

00:17:41.000 No.

00:17:42.000 I feel like you took care, like, before you opened the comedy club, you were taking care of these people that you asked to come out here and work for you.

00:17:50.000 So you must have felt this concern for them.

00:17:53.000 Didn't you hire them?

00:17:54.000 Weren't you paying them even before the club was open?

00:17:56.000 Yeah, well, they were all unemployed out of LA, so I said, listen, we're gonna open up a club, we're gonna find a spot, but you could start immediately.

00:18:04.000 So, like, you just get paid, enjoy Austin, kick back, relax, we'll call you in about a year and a half.

00:18:10.000 It was around two years.

00:18:12.000 But you felt a responsibility.

00:18:13.000 Yes, but it didn't burden me.

00:18:15.000 Got it.

00:18:15.000 It wasn't like, oh, this is a heavy responsibility.

00:18:19.000 It's like, this is smart.

00:18:20.000 We could do this.

00:18:21.000 This is the right thing to do.

00:18:22.000 This way, we already have the best people that, you know, got fired from the Comedy Store, because Comedy Store couldn't open, because LA's retarded. 0.99

00:18:30.000 And so we got them all to come out here, and it's like, look, the right thing to do is to, like, pay them now, and we'll figure that out.

00:18:37.000 We just had to figure out where the spot was, and then, obviously, once we got the spots, like, this is gonna be a long...

00:18:42.000 We're going to have to put some construction on this bitch and do a lot of shit. 1.00

00:18:45.000 It's going to take some months.

00:18:46.000 So you knew it was going to take time.

00:18:48.000 You're like, okay, I'm going to take care of them in the interim.

00:18:50.000 But again, so you're not burdened by people feeling like they rely on you or anything like that?

00:18:55.000 No, it doesn't bother me.

00:18:55.000 No.

00:18:56.000 If it burdened me, like if it was something where I was worried I was going to run out of money, like if I was stretched real thin, I'd be like, fuck, there's so many people working for me.

00:19:05.000 This is a problem.

00:19:06.000 I've got to figure something out.

00:19:08.000 But I'm not.

00:19:09.000 It's okay.

00:19:10.000 It's like decide what you think about in this life.

00:19:14.000 What do you mean by that?

00:19:15.000 Decide what you think about in this life.

00:19:17.000 Are you going to do something that's going to change the way you feel about having a bunch of employees?

00:19:23.000 Or are you not?

00:19:24.000 Or are you just going to freak out about it?

00:19:26.000 Decide what you think about things.

00:19:28.000 What are those two philosophies?

00:19:30.000 Like determinism and free will?

00:19:33.000 Yes.

00:19:33.000 Are you a huge free will guy?

00:19:36.000 Do you believe in determinism at all?

00:19:37.000 Will is real.

00:19:39.000 I know it's real, because it exists in me.

00:19:41.000 The idea, though, is that it's fleeting, and it's dependent upon a multitude of factors.

00:19:47.000 Your will is really dependent upon your hormone levels, your genetics, how much sleep you've had, what positive or negative experiences have shaped you in your life.

00:19:58.000 There's a lot going on that forces you into this position where you have to decide whether or not will is real.

00:20:06.000 But will's real.

00:20:07.000 I believe it's real.

00:20:08.000 It's 100% real.

00:20:10.000 Yeah.

00:20:11.000 Like, I know...

00:20:12.000 It's not determinism that makes...

00:20:15.000 David Goggins run harder than anybody else.

00:20:18.000 It's Will.

00:20:20.000 It's 100% Will.

00:20:21.000 His knees are destroyed.

00:20:23.000 It's only Will that just gets you up off the couch if your knees are destroyed and you run a tidy 30 miles that day.

00:20:31.000 That's not determinism.

00:20:34.000 That's bullshit.

00:20:35.000 If it was determinism, there'd be tons of those guys out there.

00:20:37.000 There's only a small Cameron Haynes, small little fucking handful of these psychotic people.

00:20:45.000 Who have incredible will.

00:20:46.000 World champion fighters, Gordon Ryan in jiu-jitsu.

00:20:51.000 Gordon Ryan works out every fucking day of the week.

00:20:56.000 365 days a year.

00:20:58.000 It's a huge sacrifice.

00:20:59.000 If you want to be really great at something, you kind of have to be out of your fucking mind, but you also have to have an iron will.

00:21:07.000 You don't want to work out every day.

00:21:09.000 There's going to be days you just want to eat cake and sleep.

00:21:12.000 But if you want to get past the guy who eats cake and sleeps, you don't eat cake and you don't sleep.

00:21:19.000 That's Will, dude.

00:21:20.000 That's Will.

00:21:22.000 Your determinism can suck my dick because there's no accidental amazing people.

00:21:31.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:21:32.000 No, it's like a lot of similar stories.

00:21:34.000 Single bomb, you know, started doing this, invented something when he was 18. Do they all come from trauma, you think?

00:21:40.000 I think a lot of people that are hyper-ambitious come from a shitty environment.

00:21:44.000 And what is that connection?

00:21:46.000 I think it's probably wanting something better than you're experiencing and knowing that it's possible, that it's out there.

00:21:51.000 And knowing the pain of living in the ghetto or the pain of being on food stamps, the pain of poverty.

00:21:59.000 And the fact that when you're poor and you're young, you wonder whether or not you're going to have food.

00:22:05.000 That's a scary thought for a child.

00:22:06.000 Yeah, that's motivating.

00:22:07.000 Yeah, it puts a kind of fire in you.

00:22:11.000 You don't get a Mike Tyson if he grows up in...

00:22:14.000 Brentwood.

00:22:15.000 You get them when they grow up in Bedford-Stuyvesant.

00:22:18.000 You don't get them when they have an awesome dad and an awesome mom who's there for their baseball games.

00:22:24.000 He tells them what a great job they did and consoles them when they get hurt.

00:22:28.000 No, no, no.

00:22:29.000 You have a life of pain and then you got some pain to dish out after that.

00:22:34.000 But I feel like it's not completely dependent on that.

00:22:37.000 I wouldn't say that I had this life of pain.

00:22:40.000 I've dealt with my shit, but I feel incredibly competitive and ambitious.

00:22:45.000 Well, you're an artist.

00:22:46.000 It's a different thing, right?

00:22:48.000 The reason why it's a different thing is you're an artist in a very specific genre, which is talking shit.

00:22:53.000 You're a shit-talking artist, right?

00:22:56.000 I love to still it to that.

00:22:58.000 It is what it is.

00:22:59.000 It is what it is.

00:22:59.000 It's beautiful.

00:23:00.000 Professional shit-talkers.

00:23:02.000 My favorite art form.

00:23:03.000 And shit-talking artists, they want...

00:23:07.000 To be around a bunch of people and have a good time.

00:23:09.000 So you don't need to come from trauma to be ambitious and be a shit-talking artist.

00:23:16.000 All you have to do is be someone who admires success and who wants to progress and keep getting better at this thing that they love that has given them so much.

00:23:26.000 You also have to sacrifice and you have to commit to things.

00:23:30.000 I do feel like it takes...

00:23:33.000 I mean, I didn't...

00:23:34.000 I mean, in the beginning, I don't think I celebrated a birthday for a decade.

00:23:39.000 I don't think I ever considered taking a vacation or anything.

00:23:42.000 I was just so hungry to get after it to get good, to be undeniable.

00:23:47.000 That was this goal.

00:23:48.000 How can I be undeniable?

00:23:49.000 I would see these guys go up, like fucking Greer Barnes or Mike DiStefano, and I'd just be like, they're just undeniable.

00:23:59.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:24:00.000 I didn't even fucking drink, I think, for like a decade.

00:24:02.000 I was like, I got to get better at this.

00:24:04.000 I got to just kind of work.

00:24:06.000 And maybe that comes from like watching my parents work hard or something.

00:24:10.000 I'm sure that helps.

00:24:11.000 Yeah, they were really hard workers.

00:24:13.000 Yeah.

00:24:13.000 And that's like the expectation of work.

00:24:16.000 Also, you have a lot of gratitude.

00:24:17.000 And I think if you have gratitude, you realize how fortunate you are to have the ability to work hard.

00:24:22.000 Yeah.

00:24:23.000 Because that's a real thing.

00:24:24.000 Oh, dude.

00:24:25.000 Especially working hard at something that you're actually successful at.

00:24:28.000 Once you're actually successful, keep that foot on the gas, motherfucker.

00:24:32.000 It is.

00:24:33.000 Keep that foot on the gas.

00:24:34.000 Let's go.

00:24:35.000 That's like the balance.

00:24:37.000 You just put something out, so I imagine you took a little time off afterwards.

00:24:41.000 Yeah, I did.

00:24:42.000 I got like 25 minutes right now.

00:24:44.000 Okay, so you're building back.

00:24:45.000 Yeah.

00:24:46.000 And I find in order for the next thing I do to be different...

00:24:51.000 I have to take time away.

00:24:53.000 Uh-huh.

00:24:54.000 Because I have to, like, reflect on the changes in my life.

00:24:57.000 And if I keep going, like, earlier in my career, I would just go, go, go, go.

00:25:01.000 And I found I was writing different versions of the same jokes.

00:25:04.000 Right.

00:25:05.000 Like, they were different jokes, but it was same topic, same kind of reaction.

00:25:09.000 And I think it was, I just wasn't...

00:25:11.000 You're trying to fill time.

00:25:12.000 I'm on the road.

00:25:13.000 I'm like, I gotta go back to Albany next year.

00:25:15.000 You gotta do another hour.

00:25:16.000 I'm making $1,500 a weekend.

00:25:17.000 And then you get connected to that material because you've been doing it for a while.

00:25:21.000 And then it doesn't really resonate with you.

00:25:24.000 I think Louis took a whole year off.

00:25:26.000 I really respect that.

00:25:29.000 I think it's wise.

00:25:31.000 I think taking time and thinking about it is really wise.

00:25:35.000 And thinking about what are the things that are on your mind?

00:25:40.000 How do you really feel about this world that we're living?

00:25:43.000 This world that seems more and more like it's not real.

00:25:47.000 More and more like it's a fucking simulation.

00:25:49.000 Yeah.

00:25:50.000 I'm kind of convinced now.

00:25:52.000 What, it is a simulation?

00:25:53.000 Yeah, something going on.

00:25:55.000 There's something more to...

00:25:57.000 Reality than what meets the eye.

00:25:59.000 There's more to it than what you could put on a scale or what you could put a ruler to.

00:26:04.000 There's more to this thing.

00:26:05.000 This thing's made out of like some very bizarre energy that's attached to consciousness.

00:26:10.000 That's what I think.

00:26:11.000 What do you mean by this?

00:26:14.000 I think that, like, I think it's really possible.

00:26:21.000 First of all, it's inevitable that one day they will achieve a simulation.

00:26:26.000 That is indiscernible from reality.

00:26:28.000 Okay.

00:26:29.000 No doubt about it.

00:26:30.000 They've gotten real close, you know, where you could put on haptic feedback suits and you can see things and you feel like you're in a room.

00:26:36.000 You know, it's crude.

00:26:38.000 But it's like, you know, Nintendo from 20 years ago versus, you know, some modern warfare game now.

00:26:46.000 Right.

00:26:46.000 They're going to get to a point where it's indiscernible.

00:26:49.000 Yeah.

00:26:49.000 So if it does happen, how do you know?

00:26:53.000 How do you know when that takes place?

00:26:55.000 Now here's the question.

00:26:56.000 Is that the ultimate progression of technology?

00:27:01.000 Is the ultimate progression of technology transcending physical reality and becoming completely digital life?

00:27:11.000 So if that is possible, how do we know if it hasn't already happened?

00:27:16.000 How can we know if it hasn't already happened?

00:27:19.000 One thing I would say that if this world was scripted, it would be filled with a lot of shit that's exactly like what happened.

00:27:26.000 Trump would get shot in the ear and say, fight, fight, fight.

00:27:29.000 You would have Elon Musk at the inauguration looking like he's on another planet.

00:27:36.000 Now, Joe, I just want to make the point here.

00:27:38.000 You're making the argument for determinism.

00:27:40.000 No, I'm not.

00:27:42.000 I'm making the argument that there's a conscious...

00:27:47.000 Interface.

00:27:47.000 There's consciousness, and it's interfacing with something that's not entirely real.

00:27:52.000 And that is the life that we're living in.

00:27:53.000 And we think it's way realer than it actually is.

00:27:56.000 So is somebody in control of it, or they're allowing us to have some semblance of control?

00:28:02.000 I feel like it might be controlled by the actual things that are inside of it.

00:28:07.000 So I think our destiny is truly in our hands.

00:28:11.000 I really believe that.

00:28:12.000 I like that.

00:28:12.000 And if that is the case, how is that not real?

00:28:15.000 Well, it is real, in a sense, but...

00:28:18.000 I think that the actual way that things happen and work is dependent entirely on the level of consciousness that people have that are experiencing it.

00:28:30.000 It sounds like very hippy-dippy and wooey, and it all comes from a lot of different things, but one of it comes from Tom Campbell, who wrote this very fucking bizarre book that I've listened to an audiobook twice now, where he's talking about essentially what we think of as reality is just a simulation.

00:28:48.000 Okay.

00:28:49.000 The whole entire thing is our consciousness interpreting everything as we experience it throughout the day.

00:28:56.000 But when we are not here, that is not the same thing.

00:29:00.000 What do you mean when we're not here?

00:29:01.000 When we die, you're saying?

00:29:02.000 If you're not on Mars, is Mars real?

00:29:06.000 Or is Mars something that we agree is real?

00:29:10.000 We agree it's in a certain space and it'll only be there when we get there?

00:29:14.000 Like if the universe is a true simulation, imagine what a mindfuck.

00:29:19.000 You have a simulation where It's perfect in that it has all these galaxies and supernovas.

00:29:26.000 The moon aligns perfectly with the Earth to cause eclipses.

00:29:31.000 And without the moon being there, our entire atmosphere would fall apart.

00:29:35.000 We would never be able to survive.

00:29:36.000 So it's like this perfect little thing that's set right there.

00:29:39.000 And we spin around and worry which bathroom should we let the guy in a dress go to?

00:29:45.000 Okay.

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00:30:26.000 But meanwhile, it's just a show that's being put on for our consciousness.

00:30:30.000 Okay, so it's a show being put on for our consciousness, right?

00:30:32.000 And then somebody's put on the show.

00:30:33.000 And then we get the ability to go to the moon.

00:30:35.000 And then they got to scramble and make a moon?

00:30:38.000 No, there's a moon.

00:30:39.000 I mean, it doesn't matter.

00:30:40.000 Wherever you go, there is a place.

00:30:41.000 Because that is kind of funny.

00:30:42.000 If, like, our technology gets so good, and they're just going, fuck, we've got to make this thing real?

00:30:47.000 Like, they're on the way.

00:30:48.000 I'm well aware, if you're, like, criticizing me, this is a dopey way to describe it, but I, you know, if the tree falls in the forest and there's no one there, does it make a sound?

00:30:57.000 Yes.

00:30:58.000 I don't even know if the tree falls if there's no one there.

00:31:00.000 Oh, God.

00:31:04.000 I'm not convinced.

00:31:09.000 So the tree...

00:31:10.000 If you take a trip to the Pacific Northwest, you will find trees.

00:31:15.000 Yes.

00:31:15.000 I just don't know if they're there all the time.

00:31:17.000 So they're only there...

00:31:19.000 In reference to us looking at them.

00:31:21.000 Oh, I get what you're saying.

00:31:23.000 Wait, wait, wait.

00:31:24.000 So you're playing a video game, and as you move throughout the map of the video game, it presents itself.

00:31:31.000 But you're saying without us accessing it, it isn't presenting itself.

00:31:34.000 It might be the whole universe.

00:31:36.000 They're saving on data.

00:31:37.000 That might be the whole universe.

00:31:38.000 The whole universe might be us interacting with something.

00:31:43.000 But they exist.

00:31:44.000 But it doesn't exist without us.

00:31:47.000 Yeah.

00:31:48.000 And this is one of those things like, what does it matter either way?

00:31:50.000 But exists with us in this moment.

00:31:52.000 Like, if you jump off a cliff, you will die.

00:31:54.000 Yeah.

00:31:54.000 Like, gravity's real.

00:31:56.000 Yeah.

00:31:56.000 You get pulverized.

00:31:57.000 Yeah.

00:31:58.000 No doubt.

00:32:00.000 But...

00:32:01.000 It's because you jumped.

00:32:03.000 It's also, like, your consciousness...

00:32:06.000 Is the reason why all this is here.

00:32:08.000 Because you're interacting with it.

00:32:09.000 That's the manifestation of everything, though.

00:32:11.000 So I get what you're saying.

00:32:13.000 The structure.

00:32:14.000 Existentially, does it exist if we're not touching it, feeling it?

00:32:18.000 What did they say about the Native Americans when they first saw the ships?

00:32:21.000 They didn't know what they were.

00:32:22.000 Yeah, that's bullshit.

00:32:23.000 That's not real.

00:32:23.000 Exactly.

00:32:24.000 But I wouldn't say that it's not real in that they didn't understand what it was.

00:32:33.000 In the distance, they think there were mountains moving closer.

00:32:35.000 They probably just saw these giant pieces of wood and was trying to figure out.

00:32:39.000 They had structures.

00:32:40.000 They might not know it's wood.

00:32:41.000 But didn't they have structures?

00:32:42.000 I don't know if they're fishing at that time.

00:32:43.000 I'm not sure.

00:32:44.000 But if you see them in the distance, you see them moving forward.

00:32:46.000 Right, right.

00:32:46.000 I get the idea.

00:32:47.000 Your brain can't map what that is yet.

00:32:49.000 Right, you'd be freaked out.

00:32:50.000 So it's mapping to whatever you know.

00:32:51.000 So it's like, oh shit, is it low tide?

00:32:53.000 And there's some sandbars out there that are slowly approaching?

00:32:55.000 What the fuck is that?

00:32:56.000 That's kind of what you're saying.

00:32:59.000 I can't understand what a glacier is without knowing what it is.

00:33:02.000 When I see a glacier for the first time, I can recognize glaciers everywhere.

00:33:05.000 But if I take someone who's never seen a glacier to it...

00:33:08.000 I think this guy's going further than that.

00:33:09.000 I think he's saying the glaciers aren't real unless you're there.

00:33:13.000 But if someone is there at every point in time throughout the world, then everything is.

00:33:20.000 Yes.

00:33:21.000 If someone is there.

00:33:22.000 There's some people in Antarctica.

00:33:24.000 Alright, so Antarctica's always there.

00:33:25.000 There's some people in Alaska.

00:33:26.000 Okay, so that's always there.

00:33:28.000 If we have enough people throughout the world, the world is this congealed substance that we can look at, feel, touch, and experience.

00:33:34.000 Yeah, and it might be like the map of the game.

00:33:37.000 It's like those NASA satellite photos of Earth.

00:33:40.000 That's the map of the game.

00:33:42.000 If you wanted to go through a game, a video game, and before you go through the game, it shows you these are the arenas in which you're playing.

00:33:49.000 And you can choose one of them?

00:33:51.000 Yeah, you can choose one or you know which level you're going to.

00:33:55.000 That's those NASA 3D photos of the Earth.

00:33:57.000 That's what the Earth is.

00:33:58.000 Earth is the place where we play this consciousness game.

00:34:00.000 When you're sitting at home and you're like...

00:34:02.000 Thinking about these things.

00:34:04.000 Yeah.

00:34:04.000 Do you like talk to your kids about it?

00:34:06.000 No, that's too weird to talk to kids about it.

00:34:08.000 What about your wife?

00:34:09.000 Are you like just going, hey?

00:34:10.000 She would go, what?

00:34:16.000 You know my wife.

00:34:17.000 She'd be like, what the fuck are you talking about?

00:34:19.000 So you get out of the sauna.

00:34:23.000 You have a nice sweat.

00:34:24.000 You're walking around your house.

00:34:26.000 You're looking at the stars.

00:34:27.000 You see fucking Saturn or whatever in the sky.

00:34:29.000 If she wants to talk about something like that, she'll bring it up.

00:34:33.000 Like, if she wants to talk about something heavy, it's not like I wouldn't talk about something heavy with her.

00:34:37.000 Yeah.

00:34:37.000 But generally, like, I come home from work, she's been with the kids, she's doing this and that.

00:34:42.000 She don't need all that.

00:34:43.000 We eat dinner, we have fun, how was school, have a good time, maybe we watch Little Severance together.

00:34:49.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:34:49.000 But if she's like, did you ever think that maybe this all isn't real?

00:34:53.000 I'd be like, I'm so glad you brought this up.

00:34:58.000 Okay, so do you struggle battling with the...

00:35:01.000 Because some people, when they think about this stuff, they feel their own insignificance, and it's very depressing for them.

00:35:07.000 Oh, it doesn't matter.

00:35:09.000 So you're unaffected entirely that your existence in this lifetime, over the grand scheme of things, could not be important.

00:35:18.000 It can't be important.

00:35:20.000 But it is.

00:35:20.000 But it is to you, and it is to the people around you.

00:35:23.000 And if that makes up our reality, then it's important.

00:35:25.000 Sure.

00:35:26.000 But why think about that?

00:35:28.000 Why think about whether or not you're important?

00:35:30.000 I just don't waste any time thinking about whether or not I'm important.

00:35:32.000 Maybe important is like a pretentious word.

00:35:35.000 Not important.

00:35:36.000 Don't think about the end of the game.

00:35:38.000 Play the game.

00:35:38.000 Don't go, oh my god, it's gonna end.

00:35:40.000 My quarter's gonna run out.

00:35:42.000 Just play the game.

00:35:42.000 But some people won't play the game if they know there's no game at all.

00:35:45.000 Or they know it is completely a game.

00:35:47.000 I think that there's this urgency that is applied.

00:35:50.000 Like, okay, I have to...

00:35:52.000 Create the art that I want to create in this time in my life.

00:35:54.000 Like, time is something I've been thinking about, like, non-stop since I had a kid.

00:35:58.000 It's like, time.

00:35:58.000 How do I spend time?

00:36:00.000 It maybe is a cliche, but it is the thing that I, like, value the most.

00:36:04.000 And everything gets broken up into these little quadrants of time.

00:36:07.000 Okay, I'm out here.

00:36:08.000 I'm doing some pods.

00:36:08.000 Okay, I'm away from my daughter.

00:36:09.000 I'm away from my wife.

00:36:11.000 How do I get back that time?

00:36:12.000 How can I, like, create these events?

00:36:14.000 Like, I don't even buy expensive shit.

00:36:16.000 I like to take a vacation with my friends.

00:36:18.000 I want us all to stay in the villa together because when we're in different hotel rooms, we miss out on those little moments in between.

00:36:23.000 Right.

00:36:24.000 Like, time, time, time.

00:36:26.000 And to me, it's like I'm putting an importance on this, I guess, the game you say you're playing.

00:36:30.000 I want to experience the most of this game as I possibly can while I'm here.

00:36:34.000 And I have all these examples of people, like, finishing the game.

00:36:37.000 You know, my dad's...

00:36:38.000 You know, he's got dimension and all this stuff.

00:36:41.000 It's like you're seeing your ability to, I guess, manifest that reality.

00:36:46.000 You're at the kind of end of your game, you know, knock on wood.

00:36:49.000 But like, yeah, the idea of like me being important, I don't care about like that in terms of how people see it.

00:36:55.000 But in this time I have here, I want to believe it's really important.

00:36:58.000 And I want to soak as much of it up as I can.

00:37:01.000 And I think sometimes when you're like, oh, it's pointless, it's nothing.

00:37:05.000 I felt like Jim Carrey was going through that moment.

00:37:07.000 There are these times where I'd see Jim talking about the insignificance of the world.

00:37:11.000 And I feel like that can kind of lead people to sadness and depression.

00:37:15.000 I feel like sometimes you need the battery in your back of importance.

00:37:20.000 Not you being important to other people, but the time you spend here being valuable.

00:37:24.000 Yeah.

00:37:25.000 Well, that's part of gratitude, too.

00:37:27.000 That's one of your best traits.

00:37:31.000 Having gratitude, you would recognize that this time is precious.

00:37:36.000 Use it to the best of your ability.

00:37:39.000 And really enjoy it.

00:37:41.000 Soak it up.

00:37:42.000 Did you see everything everywhere all at once?

00:37:44.000 Yeah, I did.

00:37:46.000 I thought that was a beautiful way of showcasing how people look at the nothingness of life.

00:37:54.000 This girl sees it as potentially nothing.

00:37:59.000 And falls into her own kind of, I guess you would call it just depression.

00:38:05.000 Why is it worth it?

00:38:06.000 What the fuck is going on?

00:38:08.000 Right.

00:38:08.000 And she kind of sees her father as this weak guy that's getting walked over.

00:38:13.000 And then comes to realize that he chooses to deal with the nothingness with kindness and love with everybody.

00:38:20.000 And in reality, he's like a hero.

00:38:23.000 His perspective on the world is the best when confronted with the nothingness of life.

00:38:28.000 He chooses to, like, be compassionate and loving.

00:38:30.000 And it's actually, like, the most heroic stand you can take.

00:38:34.000 I think it's very easy to just submit to nothingness.

00:38:37.000 You're determined is maybe the wrong word, but, like, you like hard shit. 0.80

00:38:42.000 The day you're no longer here is when you can no longer do hard shit.

00:38:47.000 I feel like your day is full of it.

00:38:48.000 And it's just constant.

00:38:50.000 Like, wake up, I'm getting in the fucking ice bath.

00:38:52.000 Like, everything I see you do is hard.

00:38:54.000 You know what I mean?

00:38:54.000 Like, you could shoot a fucking thing with a gun if you want.

00:38:56.000 You could shoot animals with a gun.

00:38:58.000 I'm surprised you don't run on them with a fucking knife.

00:39:01.000 Like, literally, like, I feel like one day I'm gonna see you go, I'm going knife hunting.

00:39:04.000 I'm going bear knife hunting.

00:39:05.000 Just because it's a difficult thing to do.

00:39:08.000 And I don't know, maybe that's how you process the...

00:39:10.000 process existence.

00:39:13.000 Well, I think if you are a person who enjoys challenges and finds a reward in, like, working hard and overcoming that...

00:39:23.000 Resistance inside of you as a...

00:39:25.000 Pressfield talks about that that thing that wants you to be lazy if you if you have value in that you find value in that and it helps you live like a more enriched more fulfilling life you tend to just keep doing that because this is like if I I know for a fact me as much as I work out and take care of myself if I take like three days off you'll start to get used to it I start getting depressed I start getting anxious I start feeling weird like I don't feel level Like,

00:39:55.000 a couple of days off, you're just like, ugh, I just feel gross.

00:39:58.000 I was just like, why is the world so weird?

00:39:59.000 And then I'll have one good hard workout, and then I'm like, oh, everything's fine.

00:40:04.000 And I'm like, how many people need that and don't get it?

00:40:06.000 So, what is that?

00:40:07.000 It's just a human body has certain requirements because it's designed to run from tigers.

00:40:13.000 The human body is designed to constantly be...

00:40:18.000 So you have to feed it.

00:40:18.000 Yeah.

00:40:19.000 You have to feed it.

00:40:19.000 You have to deal with these difficult things because for millions of years, that's how our brains and bodies have been processed to work efficiently.

00:40:26.000 And if you don't put in those situations, is the messaging like...

00:40:30.000 You're wasting this time here?

00:40:32.000 What is that internal messaging?

00:40:34.000 You can have both, right?

00:40:37.000 You can have people that have brilliant minds and shit bodies.

00:40:40.000 They exist.

00:40:41.000 There's people that don't take care of their body at all.

00:40:44.000 Yeah, Stephen Hawking.

00:40:46.000 But he had a disease.

00:40:48.000 But he wasn't like an Adonis before.

00:40:50.000 Right, that's true too.

00:40:51.000 People act like it's a big difference.

00:40:54.000 Yeah, but the best way for your brain to work well is if your body is healthy and has energy.

00:41:01.000 It doesn't mean you have to be a weightlifter.

00:41:03.000 It doesn't mean you have to be...

00:41:05.000 You don't have to do any specific thing.

00:41:07.000 If you like running, run.

00:41:08.000 If you like tennis, play tennis.

00:41:10.000 If you like yoga, do yoga.

00:41:12.000 But you should 100% do something.

00:41:14.000 Find a thing you enjoy doing.

00:41:16.000 That's why golf or rather tennis is such a great thing because it's cardio and it's fun.

00:41:21.000 You're doing a fun thing.

00:41:23.000 You're playing with your friends.

00:41:24.000 Also community.

00:41:25.000 Yeah, community.

00:41:26.000 Huge.

00:41:27.000 Yeah, but you're...

00:41:28.000 You're active.

00:41:29.000 If you don't do that, I don't think your body is in sync.

00:41:33.000 And I think there's a whole lot of people running out there taking care of things with pills that you could fix way better and feel and look better, more importantly.

00:41:45.000 It would help in every aspect of your life.

00:41:48.000 It would help you think clear.

00:41:50.000 You'd have less stress.

00:41:51.000 You'd be more reasonable.

00:41:52.000 Like, go fucking do something with your goddamn body. 0.99

00:41:56.000 And if you don't do that, I really believe if you don't do that, you have less potential.

00:42:01.000 You can have a genius mind that allows you to overcome that potential, which is...

00:42:06.000 Just pure intelligence.

00:42:08.000 Just a pure insight on the world that's extraordinary.

00:42:11.000 You could overcome bullshit hormone levels and bullshit body fat levels.

00:42:18.000 You could, but you shouldn't.

00:42:19.000 Yeah.

00:42:19.000 You're so fucking smart.

00:42:21.000 You got a terrible body.

00:42:22.000 What's wrong with you?

00:42:23.000 You have one of these goddamn things.

00:42:25.000 You can make that thing awesome.

00:42:26.000 You don't even do anything.

00:42:28.000 You have one of these.

00:42:29.000 You get one fucking body and yours is a dumpster. 0.98

00:42:33.000 Yours is a dumpster for potato chips.

00:42:35.000 That's crazy.

00:42:37.000 When you're talking to these high-functioning dudes, you're talking to an Elon, do they value exercise and stuff like that at all?

00:42:45.000 Can he even put that in his day?

00:42:48.000 Elon's a different animal.

00:42:49.000 There's no other human I've ever met like him.

00:42:54.000 No, I don't think he exercises much.

00:42:56.000 I think maybe a little bit.

00:42:57.000 I know he was thinking about fighting Zuckerberg, so he did some training.

00:43:00.000 He trained with Lex and who else?

00:43:02.000 Was it George St. Pierre?

00:43:04.000 They put up a photo of it.

00:43:06.000 It was George, right?

00:43:07.000 So he trains with one of the greatest...

00:43:09.000 UFC fighters of all time.

00:43:10.000 Yeah.

00:43:10.000 Lex Friedman, our boy, who is also a Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt.

00:43:14.000 Yeah.

00:43:14.000 And I think he just did a little bit of that.

00:43:16.000 It was like, fuck this.

00:43:17.000 Shout out Lex, man.

00:43:18.000 Yeah, there it is.

00:43:19.000 Look at Lex.

00:43:20.000 And John Donaher, the great John Donaher, the greatest jiu-jitsu coach of all time.

00:43:23.000 So he was like learning some stuff.

00:43:24.000 I'll never forget Lex coming to my wedding uninvited and blacking out.

00:43:29.000 I'll never forget that.

00:43:30.000 I'll never forget that.

00:43:31.000 Thank you, Lex.

00:43:32.000 We really appreciate that.

00:43:33.000 In all fairness, it was my fault that he blacked out.

00:43:36.000 You forced him to drink.

00:43:38.000 I kind of got him a drink and didn't realize the Russian in him had a mind of its own. 0.99

00:43:46.000 That Russian mixed with that fucking American bourbon.

00:43:50.000 That motherfucker was off to the races. 0.98

00:43:51.000 It's so funny.

00:43:52.000 Whitney was like, yeah, I'm going to take Lex. 0.97

00:43:53.000 I was like, oh, okay, cool.

00:43:54.000 Yeah, I like that guy.

00:43:55.000 And then I remember seeing him on like a beach chair just...

00:43:58.000 Pass the fuck out.

00:43:58.000 Oh, dude, we had an adventure.

00:44:00.000 Yeah.

00:44:00.000 You guys went to Vegas later that night, right?

00:44:02.000 We go to Vegas that night because Whitney had a wedding.

00:44:04.000 Oh, like a corporate?

00:44:05.000 She had a wedding.

00:44:06.000 She did a wedding at someone's house. 0.96

00:44:08.000 It was a corporate gig.

00:44:09.000 Oh, it was a gig, yeah, yeah.

00:44:09.000 But it was a wedding at someone's house.

00:44:11.000 I think it was a wedding or a birthday.

00:44:12.000 Whatever it was.

00:44:13.000 Party, private party at someone's house.

00:44:15.000 Must have been a birthday.

00:44:17.000 So we fly from your wedding.

00:44:20.000 Yay, congratulations!

00:44:21.000 We hang out.

00:44:22.000 And then hop on a jet.

00:44:23.000 You know, it's only 30 minutes to Vegas.

00:44:25.000 We get to Vegas.

00:44:26.000 By the time we land, Lex is lit.

00:44:29.000 I mean, Lex is lit.

00:44:30.000 He was lit at the party.

00:44:31.000 Lit, lit, lit.

00:44:32.000 So Whitney performs at this lady's house. 0.99

00:44:37.000 Didn't you go on?

00:44:38.000 I introduce her.

00:44:40.000 Oh, I thought you did like five minutes.

00:44:41.000 No, I was drunk too.

00:44:42.000 I went up and said happy birthday, whatever.

00:44:45.000 I forget what it was.

00:44:46.000 I'm pretty sure it was birthday.

00:44:48.000 And then I bring up my good friend, one of the most hilarious comics in the world.

00:44:52.000 And then we get on the plane, or we get in the car to go to the plane to head back, and there's no plane.

00:45:02.000 They never booked a return flight.

00:45:06.000 So we try to get a return flight because they got our little shitty private jet to get there.

00:45:11.000 So then we try to get a return flight.

00:45:13.000 We cannot.

00:45:14.000 I call my service.

00:45:15.000 The quickest they can do is in the morning.

00:45:17.000 Like, what do you guys want to do?

00:45:18.000 So we decide that we're going to get a limo and so have a car service drive us back to L.A. Love it.

00:45:25.000 So it's a four-hour drive or whatever the fuck it is.

00:45:27.000 It's me, my wife, Whitney, and Lex.

00:45:30.000 I remember you just sending me videos of Lex passed out at different parts of the casino.

00:45:38.000 That's at the airport.

00:45:40.000 That's at the airport.

00:45:43.000 But he's like that for the last 12 hours.

00:45:45.000 He was like that at the wedding.

00:45:46.000 He was obliterated.

00:45:47.000 I mean, he went hard.

00:45:48.000 That boy goes hard.

00:45:49.000 He goes hard.

00:45:50.000 It makes you want to not drink.

00:45:51.000 There's certain people around, I'm like, I think I'm done.

00:45:54.000 I think I'm done.

00:45:55.000 I feel like less people are drinking.

00:45:56.000 Well, it's really a good idea.

00:45:58.000 That might be your influence.

00:45:59.000 It's a good idea to not drink so much.

00:46:01.000 I wonder if the alcohol companies are concerned.

00:46:04.000 They're trying to find something.

00:46:05.000 There's always going to be drunks.

00:46:07.000 I see it.

00:46:08.000 I see it, like, beard consumption way down.

00:46:12.000 The problem is it's poison.

00:46:13.000 Yeah.

00:46:14.000 But everything's poison.

00:46:15.000 It's wonderful, lovely poison.

00:46:17.000 Yeah.

00:46:17.000 My favorite poison is wine.

00:46:19.000 I love a great glass of wine.

00:46:21.000 Do we have a nice little red going on here?

00:46:23.000 Do we have any red wine here?

00:46:25.000 I want to know what you're drinking.

00:46:27.000 There's something.

00:46:28.000 Yeah, there's at least some out there for sure.

00:46:29.000 Okay.

00:46:31.000 Do you want some?

00:46:32.000 I mean, if you're going to have a glass, I'll have a glass.

00:46:34.000 I'll have a little sip with you.

00:46:35.000 I've kind of cut way back on my alcohol consumption.

00:46:38.000 Oh, really?

00:46:38.000 Yeah, way, way back.

00:46:40.000 I would go, every time I'd go out to dinner, I'd have a drink or two.

00:46:43.000 Every time I'd go to the club, I'd have a drink or two.

00:46:46.000 And then one day I sat down, I was like, that's like four days a week, five days a week.

00:46:50.000 That's like a drink or two, five days a week.

00:46:51.000 Like, how would you feel if you didn't have a drink or two, five days a week?

00:46:54.000 So I didn't have any drinks for like two weeks, and I feel a lot better.

00:46:58.000 Really?

00:46:59.000 So am I breaking your like...

00:47:00.000 Streak right now?

00:47:01.000 Yeah, you would be breaking my streak.

00:47:03.000 I don't want to fucking streak up.

00:47:04.000 Well, we don't have to drink it then.

00:47:05.000 Actually, let's break it.

00:47:06.000 I don't mind.

00:47:08.000 I think the key is, like all things, it's all about moderation.

00:47:12.000 But the reality of alcohol is it's basically poison.

00:47:14.000 Yeah, but it's got great social utility.

00:47:17.000 Oh, yeah.

00:47:17.000 I feel like people undermine the value of alcohol.

00:47:21.000 It ain't around for all these years because it sucks.

00:47:24.000 And if you travel, you don't get to experience certain cultures.

00:47:29.000 In their truest form without them consuming alcohol.

00:47:33.000 Right.

00:47:33.000 Like, if you've gone to, like, Ireland, you go to Dublin.

00:47:35.000 Like, during the day, there are very different people.

00:47:38.000 And they seem kind of, like, tight and dour.

00:47:41.000 And then at night at the pub after, like, a few Guinness, it seems almost cliche.

00:47:46.000 But everybody's singing and dancing, and there's so much love and connectivity, and you see why all this great literature, music, and poetry just comes from this tiny little island.

00:47:56.000 And you're like, oh wow, you really need that.

00:47:59.000 It is a tough place to live, and you gotta stuff everything down, and you need a release valve.

00:48:04.000 Same thing with Russia.

00:48:05.000 When I was in Russia, seeing them on the drink, they're warmer.

00:48:09.000 On the drink?

00:48:10.000 On the drink!

00:48:10.000 They're warmer!

00:48:13.000 There's warmth in the culture.

00:48:14.000 That's a great way to explain it on the drink.

00:48:16.000 We have fancy glasses.

00:48:18.000 Okay.

00:48:20.000 What are you thinking, Joe?

00:48:23.000 Which one was the one that you just touched?

00:48:26.000 Grab that one where your hand is.

00:48:29.000 That's what we're going to decide.

00:48:31.000 97 was a long time ago.

00:48:33.000 How do you find that balance where you kind of need it?

00:48:36.000 That's old-ass wine, huh?

00:48:39.000 How do you find what balance?

00:48:42.000 It allows people to access this part of themselves that they might feel is like a...

00:48:47.000 Push down or...

00:48:49.000 The problem is if you use it too much, right?

00:48:51.000 Yeah.

00:48:51.000 And it's also the problem is, like, I notice if I drink three or four nights in a week, I don't feel as good.

00:48:57.000 Yeah.

00:48:57.000 And when I don't drink at all for two weeks and I feel, like, really good all the time, like, what am I, retarded?

00:49:02.000 Why am I drinking?

00:49:02.000 Why would I drink?

00:49:03.000 Yeah.

00:49:03.000 Like, I don't need to drink to have a good time.

00:49:05.000 Yeah.

00:49:06.000 But, you know, when you're at the bar or at the club, rather, and everyone's being social and Tony's like, who wants a drink?

00:49:11.000 Anybody want a drink?

00:49:12.000 Yeah.

00:49:12.000 And they're like, hey, cheers.

00:49:13.000 Yeah.

00:49:14.000 It's just about discipline.

00:49:16.000 It's just about, like, if you feel like you're going off the rails, hit the brakes, settle down, what are you doing?

00:49:22.000 But a lot of folks don't have any of that, unfortunately.

00:49:26.000 And, you know, they'll be sober for a long time, and then one glass of Chardonnay later.

00:49:33.000 They're doing cocaine and headed to Vegas.

00:49:35.000 Smacking the alcohol.

00:49:37.000 Who is Lex Friedman?

00:49:39.000 Blowing rails on a private show.

00:49:43.000 Who does coke and passes out?

00:49:46.000 That's how drunk you are.

00:49:48.000 Oh, there's something so funny about people passed out.

00:49:56.000 It's the funniest shit ever.

00:49:58.000 They've become children.

00:49:59.000 They're babies.

00:49:59.000 They're like infants.

00:50:01.000 They're just completely in control of their body.

00:50:03.000 Yeah, you're not even there.

00:50:04.000 Hello!

00:50:05.000 Look at you, how cold!

00:50:07.000 It's just a weird aspect to people that we have to shut off.

00:50:10.000 Yeah.

00:50:10.000 That's so weird.

00:50:12.000 I was just watching this video about this guy who he did a radio broadcast in Times Square where he stayed up for eight days.

00:50:24.000 And this guy started having crazy hallucinations.

00:50:28.000 He was having his REM sleep.

00:50:30.000 His REM cycles in his brain were going off while he was awake.

00:50:34.000 So he was living inside nightmares.

00:50:36.000 I'll send it to Jamie.

00:50:38.000 It was crazy.

00:50:39.000 I think Duncan sent it to me.

00:50:40.000 It's really wild.

00:50:42.000 They say that can induce insanity faster than anything, right?

00:50:46.000 Oh, for sure, dude.

00:50:48.000 I mean, without a doubt.

00:50:49.000 The sleep deprivation.

00:50:51.000 Yeah, sleep deprivation is really bad for you.

00:50:54.000 How many hours do you get a night?

00:50:55.000 I try to get at least seven.

00:50:57.000 Oh, wow.

00:50:59.000 But on good nights, I get more.

00:51:01.000 But what if you come home late from the club?

00:51:03.000 When I do, if it's...

00:51:06.000 School days, especially, I get up in the morning, I say goodbye, and then I'll maybe go back to sleep for an hour.

00:51:13.000 So, like, I'll get up with them, you know, see them off, and then I'll go back to sleep for, like, one more hour.

00:51:19.000 Because I can sleep on the ground, dude.

00:51:21.000 I can go to sleep on rocks.

00:51:25.000 I know how to pass out.

00:51:26.000 So, like, I could go right back to sleep, and I'm good.

00:51:29.000 But I like seven.

00:51:31.000 But I can function on six.

00:51:32.000 I had six last night.

00:51:33.000 I had to get up in the morning for a dentist appointment.

00:51:35.000 But generally speaking, I'm looking for eight.

00:51:41.000 I like eight.

00:51:42.000 Eight's where it's at.

00:51:43.000 I don't think I've had eight hours.

00:51:45.000 I don't think I've had eight hours since I had a kid.

00:51:48.000 I didn't either for a while.

00:51:52.000 It takes a long time.

00:51:54.000 And it's also like your day is way more occupied.

00:52:01.000 It's a completely different...

00:52:03.000 You really realize how much Your actual time working on something is precious when you have children because they just go to bed and you're like, okay, I got an hour to get some shit done.

00:52:15.000 You got one hour.

00:52:17.000 You don't have an hour to flip through your phone, check out TikTok.

00:52:19.000 You got an hour to get something done.

00:52:22.000 And then you got to go to bed.

00:52:23.000 And then you got to get up in the morning.

00:52:25.000 You got to get up early.

00:52:25.000 You got to help with this, help with that.

00:52:27.000 We're doing this, we're doing that.

00:52:28.000 We're packing our stuff in here.

00:52:29.000 And okay, let's go there.

00:52:30.000 And there's a thing after school.

00:52:31.000 Remember, it's at 4.30.

00:52:32.000 Don't be late.

00:52:33.000 Okay, 4.30.

00:52:35.000 You gotta zoom over from here.

00:52:36.000 It's like, your day is so occupied, but it makes you more disciplined.

00:52:40.000 It makes you more disciplined, and it makes you feel more productive.

00:52:43.000 It's weird.

00:52:44.000 Even going out and, say, having some drinks or whatever, and waking up and feeling kind of shitty, without the kid, I kind of feel guilty by halfway through the day.

00:52:52.000 I'm like, what was I doing?

00:52:53.000 Why the fuck did I go out and party?

00:52:55.000 But when I'm up at seven, and I'm fucking tired, and I'm hungover, and I'm with my wife taking care of the baby, by 12, I'm like...

00:53:02.000 I'm a good fucking parent.

00:53:04.000 I feel like a positive sensation in the place of this guilt-ridden one that I used to feel, maybe.

00:53:12.000 And I think it's that immediate productivity, that purpose.

00:53:14.000 There's this human being you love more than anything that is deeply relying on you.

00:53:20.000 Yeah, I feel...

00:53:21.000 I don't know.

00:53:21.000 It's also the kind of love you have with them.

00:53:24.000 It's just indescribable.

00:53:25.000 How old were you when you had your first...

00:53:27.000 40?

00:53:28.000 Yeah, so I'm 41, so I was...

00:53:31.000 Yeah, it's the same thing.

00:53:33.000 Yeah, it's every cliche.

00:53:35.000 It's amazing you spend all this time as a comedian thinking of unique or different angles, and then you're presented with your child, and every feeling you have is the most cliched feeling that everybody has ever described in having a child.

00:53:52.000 Yeah, and then you don't mind when babies are crying on airplanes anymore.

00:53:56.000 Dude, it completely...

00:53:57.000 Changes everything.

00:53:59.000 It is adorable when they're crying on the airplane.

00:54:01.000 You almost want to help the mom.

00:54:04.000 Isn't that crazy how when you're a young man, you're like, oh my god, a baby's crying.

00:54:08.000 You look for something to cover your ears with.

00:54:10.000 That's also a big city thing.

00:54:12.000 I feel like places that...

00:54:15.000 Like country places where they're so used to...

00:54:17.000 Where there's family dynamics and that's rewarding.

00:54:19.000 I grew up in the city where it just wasn't that rewarded.

00:54:22.000 It's a rare thing to even be a kid in the city.

00:54:26.000 Especially...

00:54:27.000 You're a kid in the city, and then you go from that to being a stand-up comedian, so you're a nighttime, nightclub guy.

00:54:35.000 Like, the whole baby crying, like, oh, Jesus.

00:54:39.000 It's like, whew, some bad decision-making going on over there.

00:54:43.000 Yeah.

00:54:44.000 But it is, I wish that, I would like us to change that a bit.

00:54:47.000 I think that's the thing that's kind of missing in this masculinity movement is fatherhood.

00:54:52.000 I hear a lot of guys talking about...

00:54:54.000 Is there a masculinity movement going on?

00:54:56.000 Apparently on these pods that we do.

00:54:58.000 Is that what it is?

00:54:58.000 We're the manosphere, dude.

00:55:00.000 This is where fucking men hang out.

00:55:02.000 I don't think they consider us the manosphere, honestly.

00:55:04.000 I think the manosphere is like those pickup artist type dudes.

00:55:07.000 But that's the thing.

00:55:07.000 None of those guys have kids or they talk about what it is to be a man and it's like...

00:55:12.000 Buddy, you're missing out on the most important part of the entire process.

00:55:16.000 Yeah.

00:55:16.000 I want to hear the guys who have a bunch of kids telling me what it is to be a man.

00:55:19.000 Right.

00:55:20.000 To me, that's way more valuable.

00:55:22.000 And I feel like they're missing out on the defining moment in a man's life.

00:55:26.000 Even bitches have alpha bitches. 1.00

00:55:29.000 There's like a leader of the bitches. 1.00

00:55:30.000 Oh, that's fire.

00:55:33.000 You know, so they're a leader of a movement.

00:55:36.000 But what kind of movement are you leading, bro?

00:55:38.000 Yeah.

00:55:39.000 What kind of movement are you leading?

00:55:40.000 Yeah.

00:55:41.000 It is.

00:55:42.000 Yeah.

00:55:42.000 You go to an island full of bitches and you can become the king.

00:55:45.000 There's going to be somebody there.

00:55:46.000 Just find out who that head bitch is. 1.00

00:55:48.000 Yeah.

00:55:49.000 Yeah.

00:55:51.000 Time's up.

00:55:51.000 Those bitches are probably easier to lead.

00:55:53.000 Oh, yeah, for sure.

00:55:54.000 That bitch has been leading them. 1.00

00:55:56.000 Yeah.

00:55:58.000 Yeah.

00:56:01.000 It's like, I saw once, CNN, after the election, they were talking about us in specific, and they were talking about how there is this...

00:56:10.000 Network of podcasts that are interconnected that has been financed like this this huge corporate finance Network black rifle coffee No, it's actually just a bunch of friends you fucking idiots We just happen to do each other's podcast, but they're like trying to sort it out.

00:56:31.000 It's like they support each other they go on each other's shows And they're all in this together.

00:56:36.000 Well, we need that on the left.

00:56:38.000 Like, good luck.

00:56:40.000 You guys cancel each other if your fucking Ukraine flag is too small.

00:56:44.000 Yeah.

00:56:46.000 Six by six.

00:56:47.000 Yeah.

00:56:48.000 You fucking talk shit about each other for not having trans kids.

00:56:52.000 Yeah.

00:56:52.000 You guys are out of your mind.

00:56:53.000 You're not going to sync up together.

00:56:55.000 You're in a suicide cult.

00:56:58.000 Yeah.

00:56:58.000 I think that was...

00:56:59.000 The results of the election, I don't think that...

00:57:02.000 They would like to believe this, but it was a rejection of what was happening.

00:57:06.000 I think the assumption is everybody just loves Trump and he's just this populist and every person that voted for him is like, I just love everything about this guy.

00:57:13.000 But I actually think that a lot of people were just like, I don't like what's happening now.

00:57:19.000 And this current administration is saying that they don't want to change much that's happening now.

00:57:24.000 So I'm voting against that lack of change.

00:57:27.000 And I think it's important for them to realize that.

00:57:30.000 I talk about this a lot.

00:57:32.000 Especially with Charlo on the pod and it's just like you have to be reflective like what the people are telling you.

00:57:37.000 Like when that the Mangione thing happened and the reaction by the people was to laugh at it.

00:57:42.000 Yeah, they were kind of pumped.

00:57:44.000 But you got to look at that and you got to pay very close attention to what people are feeling.

00:57:50.000 Don't tell them what they should feel and you know better and oh we have to you know lead them to the water because they're too stupid to know how to find it.

00:57:57.000 No, no, no.

00:57:58.000 They are disillusioned by the medical system.

00:58:01.000 And if you don't meet them there, you're never going to win.

00:58:04.000 Ever.

00:58:05.000 And I feel like that's, at least from talking to Trump, that was something that I got from him.

00:58:10.000 It doesn't seem like it when you see him on the news and shit, but he's like an acute listener.

00:58:15.000 He listens to what people are saying.

00:58:18.000 And he listens, more importantly, to what they're feeling.

00:58:21.000 And he can tap into those feelings.

00:58:23.000 And I think that that's what people who have had a lot of success in politics were able to do.

00:58:27.000 Barack did it.

00:58:28.000 Bill Clinton did it.

00:58:29.000 Probably maybe the best.

00:58:30.000 Bill might have been the best.

00:58:32.000 His ability to communicate to people what they were feeling.

00:58:36.000 I know you feel pain.

00:58:38.000 I do feel pain, Bill.

00:58:39.000 I'm here for you.

00:58:41.000 You are?

00:58:42.000 I am.

00:58:43.000 I would love that.

00:58:44.000 You know, it was...

00:58:45.000 I'm gonna be your leader.

00:58:47.000 Yeah, it was...

00:58:48.000 Yeah, it's...

00:58:50.000 You need to listen.

00:58:51.000 I think what Trump's done that's really brilliant...

00:58:54.000 Is bring in people like Tulsi Gabbard, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Cash Patel.

00:58:59.000 Like, bring in those people, and, like, you kind of really do get a chance to change things, like, legitimately change things.

00:59:06.000 But think about that decision, right?

00:59:08.000 It's like, those people are all echoing sentiments that the majority of Americans feel.

00:59:15.000 We do not trust the food.

00:59:17.000 Here's the guy who says the food is bad.

00:59:20.000 Maybe we should put him in control of the food.

00:59:23.000 Kind of like a simple thing.

00:59:25.000 Instead of going, well, this guy is the food doctor and we're going to hire the food doctor because he knows what food is good for you and you guys should just shut up and listen.

00:59:33.000 And I feel like there's a lot of this top-down on the left.

00:59:38.000 And I'm not trying to just bag on the left.

00:59:40.000 I don't care really about that.

00:59:42.000 I don't even care about the politics.

00:59:43.000 I care more about where the cultural liquidity is.

00:59:47.000 You can't talk down to people.

00:59:49.000 There's this, like, Ivy League pretentiousness in the Democratic Party, I feel, where they're like, we know better and just, you must be stupid if you don't agree with us.

00:59:58.000 And it's like, all right, well, I'm stupid.

01:00:00.000 I'm dumb.

01:00:01.000 I'm dumb then.

01:00:03.000 So why doesn't somebody meet me where I'm stupid and start at least making me feel like I'm not an asshole for the way that I, you know, for my, I guess, you could say political leanings now.

01:00:14.000 Yeah, I feel like they need to meet.

01:00:15.000 And it's a very simple thing.

01:00:16.000 Make it a class issue and I think they win. 1.00

01:00:19.000 Say what you want about America, but I think it's better if we have two people running for president that we're stoked about and it's a really hard decision.

01:00:25.000 Oh yeah, that would be wonderful.

01:00:27.000 Yeah, that's not what we had.

01:00:29.000 We had one group of people that legitimately wanted to change things, and then we're going to see what happens if they do.

01:00:34.000 But you're seeing weird stuff today that you never see before, which is like a real adjustment to the age of the internet.

01:00:42.000 One of the things you're seeing is, I don't know if you saw the 22 different congresspeople who were all saying the exact same line with the word shit in it.

01:00:53.000 What was the line?

01:00:53.000 So it's like...

01:00:54.000 It's this speech.

01:00:56.000 They're reading it verbatim.

01:00:57.000 They're all reading it and doing it to a microphone as if it's a rant.

01:01:01.000 But they're all doing from the same script and the shit ain't right.

01:01:06.000 The shit ain't right is the beginning of it.

01:01:09.000 When in the history of the United States has a politician said shit?

01:01:14.000 And not just one, but 22 of them in tape recording.

01:01:18.000 Can you pull it up just so we can see it?

01:01:20.000 Because it's so nuts when you see them all together.

01:01:23.000 It's just, like, they have it on screens as tiles, and they're all saying the same words.

01:01:28.000 They all have their own little flair they put on it.

01:01:30.000 Look at this.

01:01:31.000 Put your headphones on.

01:01:32.000 This is fucking bananas.

01:01:37.000 It's okay You won't be able you can't really tell it's It's like a crowd.

01:01:47.000 But when they had three of them, when it was the first three, it was Chuck Schumer and someone else.

01:01:53.000 Yeah.

01:01:55.000 They're saying the exact...

01:01:57.000 Oh, Elizabeth Warren and someone else.

01:01:58.000 Yeah.

01:01:58.000 They're saying the exact same words.

01:02:01.000 Yeah.

01:02:01.000 The exact same subjects in the exact same order.

01:02:04.000 You guys are all reading off a script and you're trying by putting the word shit in there to be authentic.

01:02:10.000 Well.

01:02:11.000 Shit ain't right.

01:02:12.000 To be specifically authentic.

01:02:13.000 They're like, we need to speak to working class people.

01:02:16.000 To the kids.

01:02:17.000 Yeah.

01:02:17.000 And it is kind of like bigoted in a weird way where like, it feels like they're almost in a think tank like, hey listen, these poor dummies, they like it when you curse.

01:02:27.000 Yeah.

01:02:27.000 So if you use a few curse words in your speech, they're gonna really relate to you.

01:02:31.000 Yeah.

01:02:31.000 And it's like, no, no, no, we actually need somebody disruptive.

01:02:34.000 We need somebody on the left that is...

01:02:36.000 That might speak like that but authentically speaks like that and is willing to disrupt even what's happening the left because if you look at like what happened with the Trump and the movement like he disrupted the right the right looks very different now than it did five ten years ago right definitely so I want like like a MAGA Democrat yeah like for real like and and what is that like what do we at the at our baseline want right we like abundance tell me how great America is going to be in your version of it you want to build Clinton talk that shit Like come out talking

01:03:07.000 shit Bernie was talking shit, and I want you to come out and if Trump can say we're gonna take Greenland There can be some den that goes one dollar eggs and straight up says we're gonna subsidize it How would you do that?

01:03:18.000 Subsidize corn you subsidize dairy you subsidize everything like why can we not subsidize it?

01:03:23.000 But say something that's actually gonna impact people now Trump's not gonna take Greenland So maybe you don't get the one dollar eggs, but you get this messaging across that you're actually trying to help people.

01:03:32.000 Mm-hmm And you're gonna have to deal with those lobbies that are bankrolling you, and that might piss them the fuck off, but that's the disruption we need for you for us to trust you.

01:03:40.000 You know what they really should do?

01:03:41.000 What's that?

01:03:41.000 They really should have a strategic plan.

01:03:44.000 If we're spending, what is it, $350 billion went to Ukraine?

01:03:47.000 What was the number?

01:03:48.000 What are they saying it was?

01:03:49.000 I don't know what the number is.

01:03:50.000 Some insane, let's just be conservative and say $200 billion.

01:03:54.000 Imagine if we spent $200 billion in the United States in all of the crime-ridden cities of the country.

01:04:02.000 Just completely overhauling them.

01:04:04.000 All right.

01:04:04.000 So here's my concern about that.

01:04:07.000 How much did they spend in California on homelessness?

01:04:10.000 $24 billion.

01:04:12.000 And then nothing changed, right?

01:04:13.000 No, they got worse.

01:04:14.000 They did a good job.

01:04:15.000 Awesome.

01:04:16.000 They did a good job.

01:04:16.000 So maybe we could spend $36 billion.

01:04:19.000 So there's also this idea that the current administration in these places, even with an abundance of money, is not going to make change.

01:04:27.000 So you need somebody from inside, from the left, to go, hey, these people are corrupt.

01:04:31.000 On my team, we're going to root out that corruption, but we are going to take care of homelessness.

01:04:36.000 We are going to make eggs cheaper.

01:04:38.000 We are going to build fucking 10,000 affordable housing units so that the price of your rent can go way down.

01:04:45.000 There has to be something disruptive instead of, hey, let's just go back to normal.

01:04:49.000 Let's not ruffle any feathers.

01:04:51.000 I see what you're saying.

01:04:52.000 I reject the idea, though, that progress can't be had just because people have been corrupt.

01:05:02.000 I feel like you could farm it off to private corporations the same way we did with Halliburton during the Iraq War.

01:05:08.000 What did they do with a...

01:05:09.000 Halliburton got no-bid contracts to rebuild Iraq.

01:05:12.000 And they did it.

01:05:13.000 They actually built all the power plants they didn't need.

01:05:16.000 There's like a lot of waste and weird shit that went on over there.

01:05:19.000 You could do that with the inner cities.

01:05:21.000 You could have contracts.

01:05:22.000 You said Halliburton did a good job?

01:05:24.000 No.

01:05:24.000 I'm just saying they actually did get paid to rebuild cities so you can get a private sector that would actually make money.

01:05:31.000 It would become an industry.

01:05:32.000 Instead of it being bureaucracy.

01:05:34.000 So you see what I'm saying?

01:05:35.000 Instead of it being something where it's like California, they're taking the homelessness, where nothing gets done but money keeps pumping into it.

01:05:41.000 No, the only way you get paid is based on results.

01:05:45.000 So you have a contract with incentives based on results.

01:05:48.000 Yes, and that is the problem.

01:05:50.000 You have to lower crime.

01:05:52.000 You have to lower crime.

01:05:53.000 You have to lower juvenile detention rates.

01:05:56.000 You have to improve education scores.

01:05:58.000 You have to make food, healthy food, far more accessible.

01:06:03.000 It would be very easy to open up enormous food pantries in the inner city and finance it in comparison to the amount of money we spend on other countries doing transgender monkey studies or whatever the fuck we do. 0.95

01:06:18.000 The stuff they do is nuts, like $20 million to Sesame Street in Iraq. 1.00

01:06:21.000 It's bananas.

01:06:23.000 So if you've got enough money for that, you've got enough money to set up food banks in every fucking city where poor people can get nutritious food.

01:06:31.000 Just sign on, have a driver's license, whatever the fuck you need to get your food.

01:06:35.000 And what are the downstream effects of that?

01:06:36.000 You have way less health issues, which takes down the cost of health care.

01:06:40.000 Also, people aren't desperate because you can actually always eat, which is a real problem with some people in this country, right?

01:06:47.000 what's this about Jamie What are you pulling this up for?

01:06:49.000 They didn't do a very good job, apparently.

01:06:52.000 Oh, well, I'm sure they probably...

01:06:54.000 I said they did do corruption, and there was some waste, right?

01:06:57.000 Because I was talking about these power plants they built that didn't matter.

01:07:00.000 But the point is, it was a business.

01:07:03.000 So you got businesses involved, and they went in, and they got contracts to do things.

01:07:09.000 If you got contracts to re-engineer...

01:07:13.000 These communities slowly over time.

01:07:16.000 You'd have to do it where it didn't shock the community, but slowly over time.

01:07:21.000 Unfortunately, you would have to ramp up the law enforcement because there's going to be resistance.

01:07:25.000 If you're going to go to the south side of Chicago and try to clean it up, you got gangs in there shooting each other every weekend.

01:07:31.000 You got real fucking problems.

01:07:33.000 But what's the alternative?

01:07:35.000 Let that keep going on forever?

01:07:36.000 No, you can't.

01:07:37.000 So you have to rip the Band-Aid off.

01:07:39.000 Have you heard of the guy?

01:07:39.000 He's the president, I think, of El Salvador.

01:07:43.000 Oh, the guy who made all the camps for those people?

01:07:46.000 Yeah.

01:07:47.000 I'm sure there's tons of criticism, right?

01:07:49.000 100%.

01:07:50.000 But I think El Salvador has become the safest country in Central and South America.

01:07:54.000 Yeah, there's no criminals.

01:07:55.000 They're all in jail.

01:07:56.000 And I'm sure there might even be a little North Korea shit where it's like, yeah, you're not in the gang, but your cousin is, and you hang out with him, and now you're in his prison.

01:08:05.000 Sure.

01:08:06.000 Of course.

01:08:06.000 But what they've done is completely revolutionized the country.

01:08:09.000 And if you ask the other people that are not gang-affiliated at all, There's this undying support.

01:08:15.000 I think it has a 91% support rating or whatever that is.

01:08:19.000 And it's like, these people feel like they got their lives back.

01:08:22.000 Now, I'm sure, as I'm saying, there's going to be people going like, oh, these are civil rights violations.

01:08:26.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:08:26.000 You know what else is also a civil rights violation?

01:08:28.000 When your city is completely run by a gang and you're terrified to let your kid leave the house.

01:08:33.000 So there is a version where having more...

01:08:38.000 Punitive measures for people that are breaking the law will increase safety and the prosperity of the people in that region.

01:08:44.000 In order to get investment into the south side of Chicago, you need to make it safer.

01:08:48.000 Starbucks is an opening if it's getting broken into every fucking week.

01:08:52.000 So, yeah, I like that.

01:08:55.000 I think one of the first things you would finance is community centers.

01:08:59.000 You'd finance a real...

01:09:01.000 Great community rec center where kids, if their mom's working, no one's there to take care of them.

01:09:07.000 They got real good coaches there.

01:09:09.000 They got people that can set them up maybe for potential athletic scholarships.

01:09:13.000 They're talented.

01:09:14.000 Maybe you have people that teach you how to play music.

01:09:17.000 That's where I went when I was a kid.

01:09:19.000 You know, I went to the Carmine Street Recreation Center.

01:09:21.000 That's where I played basketball.

01:09:22.000 And it was this beautiful place, this amazing oasis where, like, not only are you getting to meet friends and stuff like that, but I'm getting to compete.

01:09:28.000 I'm getting to play against guys way better than me.

01:09:30.000 And there are these, I mean, even as I say this right now, I'm like, I gotta, like, donate money to, like, they created this place where there was a lot of kids in those programs that they might have ended up doing some fucked up shit, man.

01:09:42.000 And they had a place where they could go.

01:09:44.000 There was, like, a safe haven.

01:09:45.000 Yeah.

01:09:47.000 Look at us talking like some libs on this pot, man.

01:09:50.000 Well, I think we are liberal.

01:09:51.000 Of course we are.

01:09:52.000 That's the biggest misconception of all of this is that we don't want this place to be better, but there have to be certain changes that we make.

01:09:58.000 Dude, I'm socially about as liberal as it gets.

01:10:01.000 And I'm a firm believer in a social safety net, too.

01:10:04.000 I'm a firm believer in welfare and food stamps.

01:10:06.000 I just think there's a way to address the root of the problem, which is people with no hope.

01:10:15.000 And the way to do that is you've got to give them hope.

01:10:17.000 You have to make it safer for them to live where they live.

01:10:19.000 You have to make it healthier for them to live where they live.

01:10:22.000 And then, I don't think it would cost that much to provide guidance for a bunch of kids that want guidance.

01:10:27.000 And if you have good, solid role models that know how to do that kind of stuff, and they can all work together and build a program, what if those kids wind up being really talented musicians, or really talented athletes, or whatever the fuck it is?

01:10:40.000 Have jiu-jitsu classes.

01:10:42.000 Like, what's happening there?

01:10:44.000 Like, I feel like you've created an environment where it's like these guys can make enough money to survive, which is a very hard thing to do as a fledgling comedian, right?

01:10:53.000 And some of these guys who are door guys, they're starting to get spots around.

01:10:56.000 Even, like, some of my guys, you know, like, obviously Derek Poston, is, like, making real money, right?

01:11:01.000 And learning how to flourish as a comedian instead of working 60 hours at a job and then doing comedy when he potentially can.

01:11:08.000 Right.

01:11:10.000 You hopefully get to see this artistry grow like I've watched Derek explode as a fucking comedian like this guy's so fucking funny.

01:11:16.000 He's so lovable.

01:11:19.000 He's so lovable.

01:11:20.000 He's got a Don't Tell coming out.

01:11:21.000 April 16th.

01:11:22.000 Nice.

01:11:23.000 And I've watched it.

01:11:24.000 It's fucking amazing.

01:11:25.000 So everybody go check that out.

01:11:26.000 Nice.

01:11:26.000 But that's the type of environment that I imagine you can curate.

01:11:29.000 Now you're very benevolent, right?

01:11:31.000 But you would hope that the government can create that same level of benevolence without Leaking too much money.

01:11:37.000 Yeah, it just it has to be done for the right reasons the right way with the right people And that was what we pulled off at the mothership because I was able to get everybody from California But also I knew that that was the formula because it was kind of like the heart and soul of the store It was like the people that were the coolest people that were running things over there Bring them over here.

01:11:55.000 Yeah, and it was just The whole thing was so nuts, dude.

01:11:59.000 It was like the universe wanted it to happen.

01:12:01.000 Every light turned green right when we got to it.

01:12:04.000 Every light turned...

01:12:05.000 It just...

01:12:06.000 None of it makes sense on paper.

01:12:08.000 If you thought about, like, the idea behind dumping a ton of money in a club and your ultimate goal is to break even...

01:12:14.000 Like, who the fuck...

01:12:15.000 Who the fuck does that?

01:12:16.000 And then it also...

01:12:18.000 You have to...

01:12:19.000 But that's government.

01:12:20.000 Government shouldn't make money.

01:12:21.000 Right.

01:12:21.000 The ultimate goal should be to break even.

01:12:24.000 Well, your ultimate goal shouldn't be everything is a money venture.

01:12:28.000 Right.

01:12:28.000 So the club is not a money venture.

01:12:31.000 Right.

01:12:31.000 The club is an artistic...

01:12:33.000 It's like a...

01:12:34.000 I want it to be like a camp.

01:12:36.000 Yeah.

01:12:36.000 Like, camp for comics.

01:12:38.000 Yeah.

01:12:38.000 Like, you go there, all your buddies are there, everybody's having a good time, we're all traded.

01:12:43.000 We were all, last night, me and Shane Gillis were breaking down, me and Shane Gillis did Bottom of the Barrel last night for an hour.

01:12:48.000 Oh, shit.

01:12:49.000 We were on stage for an hour.

01:12:50.000 It was the most fun I've ever had doing it.

01:12:53.000 We were crying.

01:12:54.000 Good.

01:12:55.000 Like, tears rolling down my face, crying, laughing.

01:12:58.000 And then we're hanging out in the green room, we're breaking down this bit.

01:13:01.000 And we're coming up with new lines, it's like a laboratory, it's a hangout.

01:13:05.000 Yeah.

01:13:05.000 We got, you know, fucking Gary Clark Jr.'s playing on the stereo.

01:13:09.000 Everybody's vibing.

01:13:11.000 We're all laughing.

01:13:11.000 Woody Harrelson's hanging out with us.

01:13:13.000 We're all having such a good fucking time, man.

01:13:17.000 It's like, that's what I wanted to build.

01:13:18.000 I didn't want to build a business.

01:13:19.000 It wasn't like, well, if I sell drinks for X amount of money and then I charge this amount for a ticket and fuck the comedians over, I did the opposite.

01:13:28.000 I pay the comedians way more than everybody else pays.

01:13:29.000 And looks what happens.

01:13:30.000 But that's just to try to facilitate this artist colony.

01:13:34.000 I just want...

01:13:34.000 I want it to be a place where the mothership even has a name.

01:13:40.000 We came up with the mothership because the first one was the asylum. 0.97

01:13:43.000 Because Mitzi Shore, God bless her, she always used to say, oh, the inmates are running the asylum. 1.00

01:13:52.000 That was her thing whenever she would come to the store.

01:13:54.000 She loved it that we were crazy.

01:13:56.000 She loved like, you know, Dom Barris.

01:14:00.000 Jumping around backstage and everybody's laughing and Joey Diaz is telling some crazy story and then Mitzi would pull up.

01:14:06.000 She'd get out of her car.

01:14:07.000 Oh, the inmates are running the asylum.

01:14:11.000 And I was like, if we're gonna branch out, we should just call it the asylum.

01:14:15.000 You know?

01:14:16.000 I like mothership.

01:14:17.000 The mothership was better because, first of all, asylum was already taken. 0.97

01:14:21.000 There's like a couple of different asylums, so we couldn't have asylum. 1.00

01:14:23.000 And then it was like...

01:14:25.000 I'm so fascinated with UFOs.

01:14:27.000 I'm so obsessed with that shit anyway.

01:14:29.000 Mothership is like the place where we all launch from.

01:14:32.000 So when we go all throughout the rest of the country, you always come back to the mothership.

01:14:38.000 Yeah, there's a...

01:14:39.000 Creating environments where art flourishes is...

01:14:43.000 So I did kill Tony the other day.

01:14:45.000 And it's been a while since I've done the whole show.

01:14:47.000 I came out for MSG. That was fun.

01:14:48.000 That was incredible.

01:14:49.000 We had such a good time.

01:14:50.000 Oh, dude, it was great.

01:14:51.000 Oh, we had such a good time.

01:14:52.000 Your stupid jacket.

01:14:53.000 Oh, my God.

01:14:53.000 Oh, my God, that jacket.

01:14:54.000 I had to have it.

01:14:55.000 I knew I wanted to wear a fur jacket.

01:14:57.000 I was like, I told Tony.

01:14:59.000 I'm like, I'm getting a fur coat.

01:15:00.000 I have to get a fur coat.

01:15:02.000 I think I talked to you the day before.

01:15:04.000 You're like, you're getting a fur coat?

01:15:06.000 I got it the day of the show!

01:15:08.000 Yeah, you texted me something, and you're like, yeah, I think I'm wearing this.

01:15:10.000 Yeah, my boy Phil found this dude who's a private shopper, and he found the spot to go.

01:15:15.000 He's like one of them celebrity shopper dudes, and he found me the spot.

01:15:19.000 And I was on it, and I'm watching the interviews.

01:15:23.000 The interviews are really fun.

01:15:24.000 A lot of these comics are really green, and they're going in there and trying to find something, but the interview portion...

01:15:29.000 And I'm probably saying something that everybody already knows, but when I watch Kill Turn, I'm watching it in clip form, right?

01:15:33.000 So I'm seeing these 60-second versions.

01:15:36.000 Right.

01:15:36.000 But what I thought was really interesting about the interviews is there's a real generosity with Tony, right?

01:15:44.000 I don't know if even the comics realize this.

01:15:46.000 He's trying to get you to write your first good joke.

01:15:49.000 He's asking you questions where you don't have to be funny, but they are funny because you're just speaking truthfully.

01:15:56.000 Right.

01:15:57.000 And it is generous.

01:15:58.000 It's easy to just, like, you could bang on every single one of the people that go up there.

01:16:02.000 Right.

01:16:03.000 But that's not exactly what's happening.

01:16:04.000 Sometimes, of course, people are going to get jokes.

01:16:06.000 But there's this moment where, like, you get to watch some of these guys, like, hopefully they're realizing, they're like, oh, I am, oh, that is a kind of funny thing about me.

01:16:15.000 And that's, like, the first kernel of, like, where they'll write their first good joke.

01:16:19.000 Yeah.

01:16:20.000 And it's a really cool thing to witness.

01:16:22.000 And, yeah, there's a couple guys that went up and, like, there's one guy, like, his joke sucked, but he had something.

01:16:28.000 Like, I just kept watching him.

01:16:29.000 And I was like, you're gonna be good.

01:16:31.000 Like, I hope you keep doing this, because you're gonna be good.

01:16:34.000 And, like, we started asking him questions, and there's this Mexican guy from San Antonio, and he works at, like, Office Depot.

01:16:39.000 And there was something funny about, like, hold on, so, like, there was, like, something about, like, you know, he's selling, like, papers.

01:16:44.000 And I was like, hold on, so there's, like, a Mexican guy, like, people are asking for paper.

01:16:47.000 Like, there's just, like, there's all these, like...

01:16:50.000 Like, it seems like a setup, you know what I mean?

01:16:55.000 So, but...

01:16:56.000 It was just really cool to see it happen, and it reminded me of these early stages of comedy where you're putting together these things that you think are funny, and funny is kind of already existing in you, you know?

01:17:06.000 And, yeah, it was a cool aspect of the show that I'm sure the people that watch it, and it's just a massively successful show, so they're familiar.

01:17:14.000 But maybe the people that don't watch it don't know about the show.

01:17:18.000 They just think Tony's just roasting people.

01:17:19.000 And it's a very generous thing to do.

01:17:23.000 Yeah, it is.

01:17:26.000 Loves comedy.

01:17:27.000 He loves comedy to the point where he's always writing lines for people backstage.

01:17:31.000 He's always giving people tags.

01:17:34.000 He's always talking about, did you do that bit?

01:17:36.000 Like, oh, I love that bit.

01:17:37.000 He's super supportive with comedy.

01:17:40.000 And he loves when the guys who do his show, like William Montgomery.

01:17:45.000 When they start to flourish.

01:17:46.000 They start killing it on the road.

01:17:47.000 He loves that.

01:17:49.000 He's actually put together a tour now.

01:17:51.000 The Killers of Kill Tony.

01:17:53.000 I've seen it.

01:17:53.000 And they're doing fucking theaters, man.

01:17:55.000 And they're crushing it.

01:17:56.000 You guys are good, man.

01:17:57.000 Ari Matty is fucking good, man.

01:17:58.000 I was talking to him yesterday, man.

01:18:00.000 He's fucking smart.

01:18:01.000 He's funny.

01:18:02.000 He's super ambitious.

01:18:04.000 Yeah, he's great.

01:18:04.000 He wants to be an American so bad.

01:18:06.000 He's a fun hang.

01:18:07.000 He's got great perspective on stuff also.

01:18:10.000 He's a great hang.

01:18:10.000 You know he's an MMA fighter.

01:18:12.000 I remember seeing, like...

01:18:14.000 He fought three times.

01:18:14.000 Wow, wow, wow.

01:18:16.000 Yeah, he's a big guy, too.

01:18:17.000 Yeah.

01:18:18.000 But, like, yeah, I remember, like, he even had a joke yesterday.

01:18:20.000 I mean, whatever.

01:18:21.000 It will come out.

01:18:22.000 But, like, it was funny.

01:18:23.000 Like, he tapped into something at the end of the bit that he did when he does The Minute.

01:18:27.000 And then in the interview, it really became the thing.

01:18:32.000 Ah, right, right, right.

01:18:34.000 Because what you get to watch is, like, he's, like, he's a veteran comic.

01:18:37.000 Like, he's probably been doing it 10 or 12 years, right?

01:18:39.000 So, like, you get into real comedian mode around 10, right?

01:18:43.000 Yeah.

01:18:44.000 You got to witness live what we do backstage, which is like, yo, I like that idea.

01:18:49.000 Why did you do this?

01:18:50.000 And he said a line at the end of when we're just doing the interview that I think is going to be what this joke builds out into.

01:18:58.000 I don't want to give it away.

01:18:58.000 Obviously, people are going to watch it.

01:19:00.000 But to me, that part of the process is so fun.

01:19:03.000 Oh, yeah.

01:19:03.000 I don't know if people know this about us.

01:19:05.000 It is really fun to work on someone else's bit.

01:19:10.000 There's almost more freedom because you're less attached to it.

01:19:13.000 If you have something and you're telling me the idea, you're attached like a direction for it.

01:19:19.000 And I'm just coming from all these other places.

01:19:21.000 And what if my tag bombs?

01:19:22.000 It doesn't matter.

01:19:22.000 You're the one going to do it.

01:19:24.000 But it is this exciting thing when you have a colonel.

01:19:27.000 And yeah, this moment happened with it.

01:19:29.000 And you could even see him go, oh shit, that's...

01:19:32.000 Yeah, that's the next level of it.

01:19:34.000 They emerge, right?

01:19:36.000 The new chapters in your bits, new paragraphs, they emerge.

01:19:40.000 It's the best.

01:19:40.000 And for me, it's like, I need to talk to get it out.

01:19:44.000 I'm not like a sit at home and I write the ideas.

01:19:46.000 I need to get, yeah, I got this idea and what do you think about this?

01:19:51.000 And then you have to give me pushback on it.

01:19:53.000 And then confronting that pushback is like...

01:19:57.000 Where the bit develops for me.

01:19:59.000 Right, right, right.

01:20:00.000 That's the beauty of like the audience not laughing.

01:20:02.000 Well, that's why you like New York City.

01:20:04.000 When you moved to Miami, you were like, it's too nice.

01:20:06.000 It was like life was beautiful.

01:20:08.000 Everybody was caring about family and everything.

01:20:10.000 And it was just so comfortable.

01:20:11.000 And I was like, I didn't have any like resistance.

01:20:14.000 That's so funny.

01:20:15.000 Like I'm used to that chaos.

01:20:16.000 I need the opposite.

01:20:18.000 What do you mean?

01:20:19.000 Your whole life is resistance.

01:20:20.000 You're in the sauna.

01:20:21.000 I don't like resistance with people.

01:20:24.000 I don't want to deal with people's bullshit.

01:20:26.000 I got my own bullshit to deal with.

01:20:27.000 That's my ice bath.

01:20:28.000 Yeah, there it is.

01:20:29.000 You just want to get out there and grind it out.

01:20:32.000 I do 30 minutes on the sixth train.

01:20:34.000 Right.

01:20:35.000 Bro, we better have a bulletproof vest.

01:20:37.000 Yeah.

01:20:39.000 Anyway, to what you were saying about hope, it is interesting, and I see that for comics, especially here.

01:20:47.000 There's this idea of getting on the show and seeing a pathway to success.

01:20:51.000 It's a real pathway.

01:20:53.000 It's a real pathway to a career, and you've seen many, many, many people go through it, like Cam Patterson, David Lucas.

01:20:59.000 These guys all have careers now.

01:21:00.000 Yeah, he had a funny bit, too.

01:21:02.000 Cam's funny.

01:21:03.000 He's funny.

01:21:04.000 I think there's a little bit of a hindrance in that one minute a week, because it's like you spend so much time working on that one minute that maybe you don't spend enough time tightening up your hour, whatever you have when you're on the road.

01:21:16.000 I was like, you give this minute out, and it goes out to the whole comedy world.

01:21:23.000 That's what I was asking Ari.

01:21:24.000 I was like, can you still do those bits?

01:21:27.000 Because some of these aren't finished.

01:21:29.000 They're just the fucking beginning of it.

01:21:31.000 Right, right.

01:21:31.000 Don't let those go.

01:21:33.000 Right, build on them.

01:21:34.000 As long as you're building on them, as long as you got more to it, and it's better now, I think people want it.

01:21:39.000 I think also there's this understanding that those guys are on the come up, and they're putting it all together.

01:21:45.000 And I think there's a certain amount of times you do it where you gotta eventually leave.

01:21:49.000 I say that, but then there's William Montgomery, who does it every fucking week.

01:21:53.000 And William's got this style that even if his jokes suck...

01:21:56.000 It's funny because they suck.

01:21:57.000 Because he gets angry.

01:21:59.000 He gets angry at himself.

01:22:00.000 He gets angry at the crowd.

01:22:02.000 And then he gets funny.

01:22:03.000 Bro, have you been seeing Brian Holtzman lately?

01:22:05.000 No, no, no.

01:22:06.000 Oh, my God.

01:22:08.000 He's the sweetest guy, by the way.

01:22:09.000 Shut up, Brian, man.

01:22:10.000 He is so different than his onstage monster, the onstage Brian Holtzman.

01:22:14.000 There's a name in a different thing.

01:22:16.000 There's a different human that comes out when he's on stage.

01:22:18.000 You would think that he's a complete psychopath in real life.

01:22:21.000 And he's just the kindest, sweetest guy.

01:22:24.000 He's wonderful.

01:22:24.000 I love him to death.

01:22:26.000 He's all hugs and joy and smiles.

01:22:28.000 And he's always helping people to a detriment.

01:22:31.000 One of the things about his show is we've had to stop some of the people that he allows open for him.

01:22:37.000 Because it's people that haven't done comedy in forever and still know him.

01:22:40.000 Like, you think I could do a set?

01:22:41.000 Sure, come on by!

01:22:43.000 And they eat dick for 10 minutes and the crowd gets tortured.

01:22:46.000 So Adam had to put the brakes on that.

01:22:49.000 But he himself is on fire.

01:22:53.000 Shane and I were crying laughing watching his set last night.

01:22:57.000 I mean crying laughing.

01:23:00.000 Shane's so funny.

01:23:02.000 He had the aux cord last night at Bitsy's.

01:23:05.000 And I didn't know who was putting on the music because it was just this random collection of music.

01:23:10.000 And then this Fetty Wap song comes.

01:23:14.000 I want you to be mine again, baby.

01:23:18.000 And I look over at the bar and I just see him kind of mouthing it.

01:23:22.000 I want you to be mine.

01:23:24.000 This motherfucker got the ox! 1.00

01:23:27.000 That's hilarious.

01:23:28.000 He was locked in, bro.

01:23:30.000 Yeah, we all have good green room soundtracks.

01:23:32.000 Oh, yeah.

01:23:33.000 Yeah, that's a big thing.

01:23:34.000 I don't think anybody would guess your green room music.

01:23:37.000 Like, if they walked into your green room and they heard the music playing, there's nobody that would go, oh, yeah, Joe picked this song.

01:23:44.000 Nobody.

01:23:45.000 It might be one or two songs that pop up.

01:23:48.000 90s, like, deep cut rap.

01:23:50.000 Yeah.

01:23:51.000 Like, deep.

01:23:52.000 Like KRS-One or something?

01:23:54.000 Right, right, right.

01:23:55.000 Cool G rap and the brand new heavies.

01:23:57.000 Yeah.

01:23:58.000 I remember the first time I came down here and it was like blasting.

01:24:00.000 And I was like, yo, who the fuck?

01:24:01.000 I'm looking around like nobody's old enough to even know Cool G rap in this green room.

01:24:05.000 And I just see you like bopping your head.

01:24:08.000 Getting ready to fucking go on.

01:24:10.000 Yeah, man.

01:24:12.000 Death Threat with brand new heavies is my favorite before I go on stage song. 1.00

01:24:17.000 That's interesting.

01:24:18.000 I don't know.

01:24:19.000 Oh, man.

01:24:20.000 You don't know that song?

01:24:21.000 No, I don't think so.

01:24:22.000 Oh, my God.

01:24:23.000 So the brand new heavies.

01:24:24.000 And I found out about this song.

01:24:25.000 I teared up when I was talking about Mitzi earlier.

01:24:27.000 Oh, wow.

01:24:28.000 I'm still a little teary.

01:24:28.000 What were you thinking?

01:24:30.000 Oh, just her.

01:24:31.000 What was it?

01:24:32.000 Just her saying, you know, all the inmates running the asylum.

01:24:37.000 It just makes me cry.

01:24:38.000 Why?

01:24:40.000 Because that lady was, like, all the shit that I do at the club. 1.00

01:24:46.000 Like, I learned how to do it from her.

01:24:48.000 Yeah.

01:24:49.000 Like, you learn how to, like, facilitate comedy, like, to help comedy grow.

01:24:52.000 I learned it all from her.

01:24:53.000 Yeah.

01:24:54.000 All of it.

01:24:55.000 It's kind of cool how people exist through us.

01:24:58.000 You know, like, obviously she's passed, but...

01:25:00.000 Well, that's why the bar's named Mitzi.

01:25:01.000 Yeah.

01:25:02.000 But the effects live on.

01:25:03.000 I wouldn't name the whole club Mitzi's if I didn't want to get sued by the family.

01:25:06.000 They would have?

01:25:07.000 I don't think they would have sued me.

01:25:09.000 But, no, they let me actually use the name for the bar.

01:25:11.000 Yeah.

01:25:13.000 But...

01:25:13.000 And we have a picture of Mitzi in the bar, too.

01:25:16.000 What was your guys' relationship like?

01:25:18.000 Well, I mean, she was still lucid when I met her.

01:25:22.000 I met her in 94, and she was super supportive.

01:25:26.000 She just knew what to do, man.

01:25:31.000 She knew how to set you up.

01:25:33.000 And if she liked you, she would put you on after murderers. 0.99

01:25:36.000 I had to follow Martin Lawrence in the main room for like fucking weeks and weeks at a time.

01:25:43.000 If Martin Lawrence was going to headline, I was going to go on after him.

01:25:46.000 What is the year?

01:25:49.000 94, 95. You got to understand, Martin Lawrence, people forgot Martin Lawrence.

01:25:54.000 Let me tell you right now, go watch You So Crazy. 1.00

01:25:57.000 Go watch Def Comedy Jam.

01:25:59.000 The greatest host of Def Comedy Jam ever.

01:26:02.000 Timing.

01:26:03.000 But his performance is when it's his hour.

01:26:05.000 His timing.

01:26:06.000 His energy.

01:26:08.000 Infectious.

01:26:09.000 Oh, he was so good.

01:26:10.000 He was so good.

01:26:12.000 And I used to eat shit.

01:26:14.000 Going on after him every night.

01:26:16.000 And Mitzi, no matter who was there, Dice Clay, Rogan, you're on after Dice.

01:26:20.000 It's like, whoever the fuck it is, I'm going on after him.

01:26:22.000 She just knew how to throw you to the wolves, man.

01:26:25.000 She knew how to, like, show you that your act is bullshit.

01:26:28.000 There's a couple guys, like, Attell did that for me in New York.

01:26:33.000 Like, I would close the late show at the cellar, and Attell would go up, and then I would go up after him.

01:26:38.000 And, like, that shit will turn you into a man.

01:26:42.000 Yes.

01:26:42.000 It'll humble you.

01:26:43.000 It'll humble you.

01:26:44.000 You just realize when somebody's operating on like every single cylinder firing and you get up after it and you're like, oh wow, I'm missing somebody.

01:26:51.000 He has something that I don't have and I need to find that shit.

01:26:54.000 When you're going up in like the cushy spot, second or third, and you're killing it, you think you're the funniest in the world.

01:26:59.000 And then when you follow somebody that like levels the room and the whole room is kind of unsure if he's just like inventing these things in the moment, if these are bits, like they just get caught up in this like tornado of creativity.

01:27:10.000 And you've got to follow it.

01:27:12.000 And that shit, following him, following Mike Britt, following Greer, like following these guys that are just like masters.

01:27:19.000 Yeah, it just turns you into a man.

01:27:21.000 That's why I started taking Joey on the road with me, because I couldn't follow him.

01:27:24.000 Really?

01:27:24.000 Yeah.

01:27:25.000 Yeah, you love hard shit.

01:27:27.000 You fucking love making your life difficult.

01:27:29.000 It's not even making your life difficult.

01:27:30.000 It's realizing you're not as good as you're ever gonna get at this.

01:27:33.000 You have to get better.

01:27:34.000 How do you get better?

01:27:35.000 You have to be challenged.

01:27:36.000 How do you get challenged?

01:27:38.000 Know that you're gonna follow Joey Diaz every night, three nights in a row, two shows on Friday, two shows on Saturday.

01:27:44.000 I feel like this is something that...

01:27:48.000 There's a lot of importance to this.

01:27:49.000 I don't know if comedians are doing this all the time, but your openers that you take on the road with you, they should really be pressing you.

01:27:57.000 They should set the tone of the show.

01:27:58.000 And they're going to set the expectation of the show.

01:28:01.000 I think sometimes people want to save the day.

01:28:04.000 That's weak.

01:28:05.000 That's that same bitch-ass feeling like, I hope the guy after me bombs. 1.00

01:28:08.000 That's the same bitch-ass feeling. 0.99

01:28:10.000 I want...

01:28:11.000 The audience to have a great fucking time.

01:28:14.000 Yeah.

01:28:14.000 So I want everybody to kill.

01:28:15.000 I love when I get the message, like, or, like, tagged in a post on Instagram, and it was like, all three of them were fucking great.

01:28:21.000 Yes.

01:28:21.000 And it's like, and also, like, I understand what it means probably for them, because I've been in maybe that situation where you're like, holy shit, like, yeah, they're bringing me up with the show.

01:28:29.000 Right.

01:28:30.000 And they're in a tougher spot than me.

01:28:32.000 You know, Derek going up hosting, people are walking into an arena.

01:28:35.000 Yep.

01:28:35.000 So to kill that, to, like, command attention while people are walking down an aisle.

01:28:40.000 Derek.

01:28:40.000 Mark's a perfect guy for something like that.

01:28:42.000 He's got so much energy.

01:28:44.000 And he's so good at fucking around.

01:28:45.000 And just creating an energy of fun.

01:28:48.000 And Mark, too, is just fucking crushing.

01:28:51.000 Seeing them go up there and like really lay in.

01:28:54.000 Yeah.

01:28:55.000 Like hearing it before I go up.

01:28:56.000 Yeah.

01:28:56.000 Like that's the fun thing.

01:28:58.000 Like I'll be locked in my room, but then when I come out like a few minutes before and just hearing them light up.

01:29:02.000 Yeah.

01:29:03.000 Yeah.

01:29:03.000 You got to take strong eyes, man.

01:29:05.000 Yeah.

01:29:06.000 And the people have the weird fear of being eclipsed.

01:29:10.000 That's the thing.

01:29:11.000 It's fear of being eclipsed while you're opening act.

01:29:13.000 You'll get better.

01:29:14.000 Get better.

01:29:14.000 You're good.

01:29:15.000 Just get better.

01:29:15.000 Like you're headlining.

01:29:16.000 Yeah.

01:29:16.000 You're clearly good at this.

01:29:18.000 And it's gonna make you better when these guys bust your fucking ass sometimes.

01:29:22.000 Yeah, maybe you're not working as hard as you should be working.

01:29:24.000 Maybe you're not at your best.

01:29:26.000 And nothing will make you work harder than being embarrassed.

01:29:28.000 Right.

01:29:29.000 Also, I don't know how you operate, but for me...

01:29:32.000 I'm funnier if I'm having fun.

01:29:34.000 So if I'm hanging out with Ari and Duncan and Joey and we're all doing a show together, we are laughing our fucking ass off.

01:29:43.000 And that comes out on stage and you're loose and you're ready to get goofy.

01:29:46.000 And I'm laughing at Joey before I even go on stage.

01:29:48.000 I'm sitting there laughing at his act before I get up there.

01:29:51.000 So I go up there, I'm already in a great fucking mood.

01:29:53.000 And the audience feels like they didn't get robbed.

01:29:57.000 You know?

01:29:57.000 You didn't, like, throw some scrub up there for 20 minutes just to fill time so you could look like a superhero.

01:30:03.000 Yeah, it's like, they're paying money, man.

01:30:04.000 I keep thinking about that.

01:30:06.000 Like, all these people that come out to a show, it's not just the ticket price.

01:30:09.000 Right.

01:30:10.000 It's the babysitter.

01:30:11.000 It's everything.

01:30:12.000 It's the Uber.

01:30:12.000 It's the dinner.

01:30:13.000 Like, this is an expensive fucking night for them.

01:30:16.000 And they're looking forward to it.

01:30:17.000 You might only get one date night a week.

01:30:19.000 Especially if you have family.

01:30:20.000 Bro, I was in, uh, I was in, not Seattle, like, uh, what's the other one?

01:30:25.000 In Washington.

01:30:26.000 It's not Tacoma.

01:30:27.000 Something more inland.

01:30:28.000 I forget there's a comedy club out there.

01:30:30.000 Spokane?

01:30:31.000 Spokane.

01:30:33.000 This was years ago and I did a show and like a couple came up afterwards and they were like, this is our first night out in eight years.

01:30:40.000 Whoa.

01:30:41.000 And I think about that every single time before I go on stage.

01:30:46.000 That's a good thing to think about.

01:30:48.000 That's a good thing to think about.

01:30:50.000 Yeah.

01:30:50.000 Like those people that are like really...

01:30:52.000 But you don't take things for granted anyway.

01:30:54.000 You know, some people get a little sloppy.

01:30:57.000 You get a little loose and you take things for granted.

01:31:00.000 No, man.

01:31:01.000 We were talking about that on stage or in the green room the other night.

01:31:04.000 Woody was backstage like, you guys get nervous?

01:31:06.000 I'm like, I get nervous for every show.

01:31:07.000 If I don't get nervous, I don't do as good.

01:31:09.000 I get nervous.

01:31:10.000 I get nervous for everything important.

01:31:13.000 And every show's important.

01:31:14.000 It's not important like my life depends on it, but it's important to me.

01:31:18.000 It's important to the audience.

01:31:19.000 I want to do it right.

01:31:21.000 So I want to figure out what I'm working on.

01:31:23.000 I want to sit up.

01:31:24.000 I've got to be loose with this because this thing's still in development.

01:31:27.000 So let's fuck around with that a little bit, but we're going to bring it back with this.

01:31:30.000 And I'm going over my phone and I'm sitting back there before I go up there.

01:31:33.000 I'm ready.

01:31:34.000 If you don't do that, I don't think you achieve what you're trying to achieve.

01:31:39.000 Yeah, I feel like sometimes...

01:31:41.000 I don't know if they pretend to not care, or maybe they think not caring is cool.

01:31:45.000 Yeah, that's what it is.

01:31:46.000 Caring is cool.

01:31:47.000 I really care.

01:31:48.000 I work really hard, and I think that you should work really hard.

01:31:52.000 I want to make really great stuff I'm proud of, and I don't want to just be like, oh, it's fucking gay to care. 0.95

01:31:56.000 It's like, no, it's not gay to care. 1.00

01:31:58.000 It's not gay to have people come out and spend a lot of money, and then you just fucking flop on stage and don't give a fuck. 0.96

01:32:03.000 Right.

01:32:04.000 It's cool to try to give them the best possible show.

01:32:07.000 Yeah.

01:32:08.000 That's cool.

01:32:09.000 That's cool.

01:32:10.000 It's just a thing because you do care, so you try to pretend you don't because the cooler people don't care.

01:32:15.000 The cooler people just bomb.

01:32:17.000 I remember I watched Bill Hicks bomb once, and I was so goddamn impressed.

01:32:21.000 I was so impressed.

01:32:22.000 First of all, he was very funny, but the stuff that he was talking about was so out there.

01:32:28.000 He went on.

01:32:28.000 There was this comedian.

01:32:30.000 Very nice guy.

01:32:32.000 Who went on before Bill Hicks.

01:32:35.000 His thing was Comic on a Harley.

01:32:38.000 That was his name, like his thing.

01:32:40.000 I forget it.

01:32:40.000 Larry something, Comic on a Harley.

01:32:42.000 Nice guy.

01:32:43.000 Funny guy.

01:32:44.000 But he did a lot of stuff about Bugs Bunny smoking weed.

01:32:47.000 Real simple stuff.

01:32:48.000 But it made people laugh.

01:32:50.000 Cops and donuts.

01:32:52.000 Cliche as shit.

01:32:53.000 But good.

01:32:54.000 And killed.

01:32:55.000 And just good enough for this blue-collar crowd at Nick's Comedy Stop.

01:32:59.000 And then Bill Hicks goes on stage, and he's smoking a cigarette, and he's talking about, I came here to fill you up with ideas you couldn't possibly imagine on your own.

01:33:18.000 How did the Boston crowd take that?

01:33:20.000 Oh, they didn't take it good at all.

01:33:22.000 He didn't just bomb, he cleared the room.

01:33:24.000 And he was doing this bit where Satan...

01:33:28.000 Has sex with John Davidson, who is the host of That's Incredible.

01:33:34.000 Satan is fucking John Davidson, and then impregnates him, and then he shits out.

01:33:42.000 I forget who he shits out.

01:33:43.000 Different people at different times.

01:33:45.000 But he's sitting on a toilet on stage, pretending he's sitting on a toilet, grunting.

01:33:52.000 And then he looks up in the middle.

01:33:53.000 People are getting up in droves.

01:33:56.000 This generally clears the room.

01:33:58.000 It cuts right back to it.

01:34:01.000 But I mean, never lost his timing.

01:34:04.000 Never lost his composure.

01:34:05.000 And it wasn't that it wasn't funny.

01:34:07.000 Me and Fitzsimmons were in the back of the room.

01:34:10.000 Me and Fitzsimmons were...

01:34:11.000 You knew Greg from back in Boston?

01:34:12.000 Greg and I started a week apart from each other.

01:34:15.000 Get out of here.

01:34:15.000 We've been friends since we were like...

01:34:16.000 I was 21. I think he was 22 or 23. Yeah.

01:34:20.000 Yeah, we've been friends from the very, very beginning.

01:34:22.000 Wow.

01:34:24.000 So Greg and I were both open micers at the time.

01:34:27.000 And we just knew that Hicks was coming.

01:34:29.000 We wanted to watch.

01:34:29.000 And we sat in the back of the room.

01:34:31.000 We were fucking crying.

01:34:34.000 Crying, laughing.

01:34:35.000 So there was like 50 people left, 10 comics, 40 savages who just thought this guy was genius.

01:34:41.000 And then the other 200 plus people, they all left.

01:34:45.000 They all left.

01:34:45.000 200 is crazy to leave.

01:34:47.000 Bro, it was a bloodbath.

01:34:49.000 Like half the crowd.

01:34:50.000 More than half the crowd left.

01:34:52.000 Yeah.

01:34:53.000 No, it was like three-quarters of the crowd, probably.

01:34:54.000 That's a large percentage.

01:34:56.000 It was a large percentage.

01:34:57.000 There wasn't much left.

01:34:58.000 But Fitzsimmons and I fondly talk about that day.

01:35:00.000 Like, he never lost his cool.

01:35:02.000 He almost, like...

01:35:03.000 I don't know when he knew he had pancreatic cancer, because he died a few years later.

01:35:09.000 But he kind of seemed like a guy that whatever the fear of bombing and whatever...

01:35:17.000 This thing of failure, that wasn't on his mind.

01:35:20.000 It didn't bother him.

01:35:21.000 When you have limited time, that's not...

01:35:23.000 I wonder if that's what it was.

01:35:25.000 I don't know if he knew already, but he was so calm up there.

01:35:29.000 Yeah.

01:35:31.000 But funny.

01:35:32.000 Very funny.

01:35:33.000 He changed the way people wanted to do comedy because everybody after that wanted to be profound.

01:35:39.000 Nobody wanted to be profound before that.

01:35:41.000 They just wanted to get big laughs.

01:35:42.000 Then all of a sudden, everybody wanted to be profound.

01:35:45.000 It was interesting.

01:35:47.000 He became this poet.

01:35:49.000 You see trends like that pop up.

01:35:52.000 Stylistically, people are so influential that it changes the way people do their comedy.

01:35:57.000 It's tricky because...

01:35:59.000 You can only be great at the thing you do.

01:36:03.000 That's how I feel, at least, about it.

01:36:05.000 If you are profound, and then profound comedy is popular, then you will be really good at it.

01:36:09.000 But if you're a silly goose...

01:36:11.000 Right.

01:36:12.000 It's not worth trying to be profound.

01:36:14.000 Right, right, right.

01:36:15.000 Because you being silly is going to be the best version of you, and the people will appreciate that the most.

01:36:21.000 Also, you can't trick people.

01:36:22.000 They know.

01:36:23.000 Even if they're not aware of it, they know.

01:36:25.000 They know something's off.

01:36:26.000 Yeah.

01:36:26.000 Something's off.

01:36:27.000 That's the honesty in it.

01:36:29.000 Yeah.

01:36:29.000 There's brutal honesty in it.

01:36:32.000 Sometimes they'll even laugh, but they know that you're lying.

01:36:36.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:36:38.000 They know that it's not real.

01:36:39.000 It exists for maybe 10, 15 minutes, but I think it kind of gets exposed once you get into those hour-long sets.

01:36:46.000 It can, for sure.

01:36:47.000 You've got to be who you are.

01:36:49.000 Right, yeah.

01:36:50.000 And it has to gel together with you.

01:36:54.000 You have to be into what you're doing.

01:36:55.000 If you're not into what you're doing, you can't say the same words with the same inflection without the same mindset.

01:37:01.000 Like, if your mindset is off, they fucking know, man.

01:37:04.000 It doesn't matter what your timing is.

01:37:06.000 They know.

01:37:07.000 They know you're not locked in, so they're not locked in.

01:37:09.000 Like, how come you didn't bring me in?

01:37:11.000 You know?

01:37:12.000 Like, last night when Holtzman was killing and me and Shane were laughing, we were locked into whatever this psychopath was talking about.

01:37:18.000 He was talking about drowning people.

01:37:22.000 He's so out of his fucking mind.

01:37:24.000 It was so funny.

01:37:25.000 Yeah.

01:37:26.000 It was so funny.

01:37:27.000 But you give him that.

01:37:28.000 You let him take your mind for a ride.

01:37:30.000 If it's real to them.

01:37:31.000 I think that's the thing about Joey that I've always admired.

01:37:35.000 It's pure.

01:37:36.000 It's authentic.

01:37:37.000 You can kind of get away with whatever you want if it's pure.

01:37:40.000 Yeah.

01:37:41.000 And when we know you're faking and you're doing something that makes me feel uncomfortable, now I'm double uncomfortable.

01:37:47.000 Right.

01:37:48.000 I can be uncomfortable if it's real to you.

01:37:50.000 Yeah.

01:37:51.000 I can sustain that.

01:37:52.000 You might be talking about some shit that makes me feel a little weird, but it's real to you, so I go, okay, I'm going to rock with you on this.

01:37:58.000 This is a pure version of your art.

01:38:01.000 But yeah, you don't want to lie to people, man.

01:38:04.000 Yeah, also, if you do it, then you're stuck.

01:38:07.000 Now that's how you do art.

01:38:08.000 You lie to people.

01:38:10.000 So you're always trying to concoct some new fucking weird version of yourself.

01:38:19.000 What's going to sell more?

01:38:21.000 You're a pop music star now?

01:38:23.000 Yeah.

01:38:25.000 That's what you're like.

01:38:26.000 You're like doing pop music comedy.

01:38:27.000 But there are people that get attached to what works.

01:38:30.000 Yeah.

01:38:31.000 And then they can't run away.

01:38:32.000 They're scared to run away from it.

01:38:33.000 And I kind of have empathy for it because it's like you probably struggle for so long you find something that works and you're like, okay, finally I'm able to make some money.

01:38:40.000 Finally I'm able to have some security.

01:38:41.000 But you've got to keep growing past it.

01:38:45.000 I think generally those people are self-obsessed too.

01:38:48.000 In a bad way, where they think about themselves and success rather than the thing they're doing.

01:38:53.000 Like, what is the thing I'm doing?

01:38:55.000 The thing I'm doing is I'm trying to create something that's good, that works.

01:38:58.000 I'm trying to make it the best version of whatever the fuck it is.

01:39:00.000 So, how do I do that?

01:39:02.000 You can't be thinking about yourself and do that.

01:39:04.000 That's why thieves can't write.

01:39:06.000 Because the mentality of being a thief is, I want that idea for myself.

01:39:11.000 It's not like...

01:39:12.000 I want to create.

01:39:13.000 You're not addictive to creating, which is like...

01:39:15.000 The coolest part about this, we get to create whatever the fuck we want.

01:39:19.000 And if you get to a point, like luckily, where you get a couple bucks in the bank, those creations should be even more specific to you.

01:39:27.000 Yeah.

01:39:28.000 Because you're not doing it so you can buy another house, right?

01:39:30.000 You're doing it because you truly spent 20 years of your life trying to get good at something.

01:39:35.000 And then you can create whatever the fuck you want.

01:39:37.000 And also those new things, those new things that pop out, they feel like gifts from the universe.

01:39:43.000 Like a new bit that's a banger.

01:39:45.000 It's like, where did this come from?

01:39:46.000 This came from the universe.

01:39:47.000 That should exist before you.

01:39:48.000 That's what I always try to say.

01:39:49.000 Comedy is there, and then we stumble.

01:39:51.000 You gotta find it.

01:39:52.000 Yeah, you gotta find it.

01:39:53.000 You're not making it.

01:39:54.000 And when you're making it, it feels too contrived.

01:39:57.000 But the comedy exists.

01:39:58.000 Bro, I gotta pee so bad.

01:39:59.000 Let's do a little pee.

01:40:00.000 Let's pause.

01:40:00.000 Pause real quick.

01:40:01.000 Be right back and pee. 0.65

01:40:02.000 Are we back in?

01:40:03.000 Yeah, we're back, dog.

01:40:04.000 We're back.

01:40:05.000 Yeah.

01:40:07.000 Comedy's great.

01:40:09.000 Comedy's the best job on earth for us.

01:40:10.000 It really is.

01:40:11.000 For us.

01:40:12.000 You know?

01:40:12.000 I was trying to talk Woody into doing it last night.

01:40:14.000 I mean...

01:40:15.000 Because he was thinking about it.

01:40:16.000 Because apparently he had...

01:40:18.000 I said, I will 100% help you.

01:40:19.000 He goes, would you really?

01:40:20.000 I go, 100%.

01:40:21.000 I go, if you want to do comedy, I'll get you time.

01:40:24.000 I'll work with you on material.

01:40:26.000 I'll get guys to help you.

01:40:28.000 I'll work with you.

01:40:29.000 You could totally do it.

01:40:30.000 If you could do that monologue on SNL, you could do stand-up.

01:40:33.000 Yeah.

01:40:34.000 You could do stand-up.

01:40:34.000 Brave for that monologue.

01:40:36.000 Yeah.

01:40:36.000 Brave guy.

01:40:37.000 Yeah.

01:40:38.000 Because he has a lot to lose, perception-wise.

01:40:42.000 Maybe he doesn't care.

01:40:43.000 But that's where bravery comes in.

01:40:45.000 When you've got nothing to lose, it's like, yeah, you can kind of say whatever the fuck you want.

01:40:48.000 It doesn't really matter.

01:40:48.000 He's kind of grandfathered in.

01:40:50.000 Oh, really?

01:40:51.000 He's Woody Harrelson.

01:40:52.000 But you don't think it could affect him at all?

01:40:54.000 Yeah, it could, but I don't think anymore.

01:40:56.000 I think the world's kind of woken up the fact that, first of all, he's accurate.

01:41:00.000 Like, you really can't attack what he's saying.

01:41:02.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:41:02.000 You know?

01:41:03.000 So, like, you don't think he should be saying it?

01:41:06.000 Yeah.

01:41:06.000 Okay, well, that's kind of debatable.

01:41:08.000 Yeah.

01:41:08.000 And that's on you.

01:41:09.000 Yeah.

01:41:09.000 I think he can say whatever the fuck he wants in that regard.

01:41:12.000 Yeah.

01:41:12.000 You know?

01:41:13.000 Yeah.

01:41:13.000 Because it's like, at this point, it's like, who doesn't?

01:41:16.000 Think he's accurate.

01:41:17.000 Yeah.

01:41:18.000 You're in denial if you don't think he's accurate.

01:41:20.000 This is a problem that Democrats have right now.

01:41:22.000 What's that?

01:41:23.000 Is that the Trump administration, what they're uncovering with Doge, like all this waste and fraud and abuse, whatever you want to categorize it as.

01:41:32.000 And I'm sure there's a bunch of things that fall into different categories.

01:41:35.000 Yeah.

01:41:35.000 But the Democrats aren't acknowledging that it's a problem at all.

01:41:39.000 When you find this building in San Antonio that they spent $2 billion on, it's completely empty.

01:41:44.000 And it's getting, you know, a million dollars a month or whatever the fuck it's getting.

01:41:48.000 And where's that money going?

01:41:49.000 Yeah.

01:41:50.000 The tricky thing about this Doge thing is, like, I don't think there's any American out there that is supportive of waste, fraud, and corruption.

01:42:02.000 It should be a bipartisan issue.

01:42:05.000 Right?

01:42:05.000 Right.

01:42:06.000 Like, it's a very easy thing to get on board with.

01:42:08.000 Right.

01:42:08.000 And this is where I feel like...

01:42:10.000 I feel like Elon's being a little antagonistic.

01:42:14.000 I have a lot of respect for Elon, don't get me wrong.

01:42:15.000 But, like, it's becoming easier to be a bipartisan issue in the way that it's communicated.

01:42:22.000 Whereas, like, having that, like...

01:42:24.000 Political decorum, like having that ability to pull everybody into this thing might be a little bit more effective on an issue that we can all get behind.

01:42:33.000 There's no American that wants waste, fraud and corruption.

01:42:35.000 I hate that this is becoming bipartisan.

01:42:37.000 It drives me fucking crazy because on the surface, nobody wants the waste.

01:42:43.000 Right.

01:42:44.000 Democrats should be...

01:42:45.000 They shouldn't be booing or whatever the fuck was happening at that hearing last night.

01:42:50.000 Not even hearing.

01:42:50.000 He was addressing the Senate.

01:42:51.000 State of the Union.

01:42:53.000 It should be everybody going, hey, we agree this is fucked up.

01:42:57.000 This is happening in some of our regions or whatever it is where you're responsible for those constituents.

01:43:03.000 What's that called?

01:43:04.000 If you're a congressman.

01:43:06.000 Your district.

01:43:07.000 We need to be better about this.

01:43:09.000 We need to fix this.

01:43:10.000 We gotta take this on the chin.

01:43:11.000 And we agree.

01:43:12.000 And it could be this great revolution in America that could really support everybody.

01:43:16.000 And it's become this fucking bipartisan issue.

01:43:19.000 I understand there's a lot of currency in making the opposition look radioactive.

01:43:22.000 I get that.

01:43:23.000 But this is where you wish that there was some sort of masterful communication version of this instead of a little bit more of this like...

01:43:32.000 Putting the knife in and twisting it a little.

01:43:35.000 Yeah, no, I agree.

01:43:36.000 I agree on both sides.

01:43:37.000 I think people are really foolish spending all their time just attacking the ideas of the other party instead of promoting really good ideas of your own.

01:43:47.000 Amen.

01:43:48.000 And the thing about this whole doge thing is it's such a lightning rod.

01:43:52.000 And one of the reasons why it's such a lightning rod is because these politicians are being pressured to try to keep a lot of the spending.

01:43:59.000 Because a lot of the spending is...

01:44:01.000 It's all shenanigans.

01:44:03.000 It's moving around to thousands of different NGOs.

01:44:07.000 And you're talking about billions and billions and billions of dollars that were going somewhere.

01:44:11.000 So people were profiting.

01:44:13.000 People had jobs.

01:44:14.000 And they want to keep all those jobs.

01:44:16.000 They want to keep that money flowing, even the bullshit money, as much as they can.

01:44:19.000 So there's fucking court orders.

01:44:20.000 And there's lawsuits.

01:44:22.000 And the Supreme Court just stopped a $1.9 billion freeze on something.

01:44:27.000 Or something that just came up.

01:44:29.000 It was today.

01:44:30.000 So there's, like, legal battles about all this stuff.

01:44:34.000 You're going to have a lot of confusion in that regard.

01:44:37.000 But I think it's important.

01:44:39.000 One of the things they're doing is they're highlighting the ridiculous things.

01:44:42.000 Like, they're highlighting the $250 million on transgender animal studies.

01:44:47.000 Yeah.

01:44:48.000 $4.7 trillion that they can't account for.

01:44:51.000 The way that he was saying it.

01:44:52.000 Did you watch it?

01:44:52.000 I mean, it's hilarious.

01:44:54.000 You gotta watch them talk about it.

01:44:56.000 It's I'm sure it's amazing and I will I will watch I just didn't have I was busy last night, but it's like There's there's also a way to To really clearly Express to people that there's legitimate use for aid And this isn't really USAID. It's United States Agency for International Development.

01:45:17.000 If you're worried about foreign aid, I fully, completely agree we should spend money in third-world countries building wells.

01:45:25.000 We should spend money trying to get food to poor people.

01:45:28.000 And that's not what this program is designed to do.

01:45:29.000 Right.

01:45:29.000 That's not what this is about.

01:45:30.000 And if it's about, like...

01:45:31.000 This is exercising self-power.

01:45:33.000 Health care for people and providing free clinics for people in impoverished areas.

01:45:36.000 Yeah, we should spend on that.

01:45:38.000 But also, that's not where this money's going.

01:45:41.000 A lot of this is regime overthrowing money.

01:45:43.000 This is regime change money.

01:45:45.000 A lot of this is like money that's being propped up.

01:45:48.000 They're sending money to the Taliban every fucking week.

01:45:50.000 Right.

01:45:50.000 Like, this is crazy.

01:45:52.000 Like, you have to understand what this really is.

01:45:53.000 So what we have to do, I think, as Americans is, look.

01:45:58.000 You got a president.

01:45:59.000 He's your president, whether you like it or not.

01:46:01.000 That's your president for four years.

01:46:02.000 Let's hope he does a great job.

01:46:04.000 Wouldn't you want him to do a great job?

01:46:06.000 He's the captain of the ship, but I want to hit the rocks.

01:46:08.000 Let's hope he gets us into a beautiful harbor.

01:46:10.000 Absolutely.

01:46:11.000 So, together.

01:46:12.000 That doesn't mean the Democrats can't win in four years, but you can't win doing this.

01:46:16.000 You can't win all saying, this shit ain't right, and then all of you say the exact same thing?

01:46:21.000 Well, now I know who's on the take.

01:46:24.000 Now I know who's got the script.

01:46:26.000 Now I know who doesn't have a fucking mind of their own.

01:46:28.000 You have to read the script that whatever corporate daddy Filed onto your desk.

01:46:33.000 It's think tank politics.

01:46:34.000 They need a real leader and those real leaders are all pussyhounds and they're all gonna- that's the problem. 0.99

01:46:43.000 They all got skeletons!

01:46:45.000 Yeah, it's got to come from outside.

01:46:48.000 Yeah, I wonder like- Or they got to be a guy like Trump who could take the hits.

01:46:51.000 That's and- And keep on trucking.

01:46:53.000 You need to have a very strong constitution to do that.

01:46:56.000 I don't understand his constitution.

01:46:58.000 What do you mean?

01:46:58.000 You go through the same shit.

01:46:59.000 Yeah, but his is beyond...

01:47:00.000 They shot him, dude.

01:47:01.000 Yeah, they haven't shot you yet.

01:47:02.000 Not only did they shoot him...

01:47:04.000 Yet.

01:47:06.000 You perform inside.

01:47:07.000 That's the problem.

01:47:08.000 That's part of the problem.

01:47:09.000 But not only did they shoot him...

01:47:12.000 But people forgot about it in two weeks.

01:47:14.000 Yeah.

01:47:15.000 And to this day...

01:47:16.000 Moving right along.

01:47:17.000 He didn't get shot enough.

01:47:18.000 To this day...

01:47:19.000 Like, people were talking about his ear.

01:47:20.000 They're like, oh, but it doesn't look that shot.

01:47:22.000 And it's like...

01:47:23.000 There's so many people that think that he rigged it, that he did it on purpose, that he staged it.

01:47:27.000 Yeah, he staged a bullet coming...

01:47:29.000 Nicking his ear.

01:47:31.000 Like, they don't understand accuracy.

01:47:33.000 Come on.

01:47:33.000 Especially with iron sights.

01:47:35.000 You know, he didn't even have a scope on the rifle.

01:47:38.000 Do you know what iron sights are?

01:47:40.000 Okay.

01:47:41.000 So, like, say if you have a pistol, and the back of the pistol, where the handle is, there's this plate like this, and then there's a little post at the front, and you line the two of them up like that.

01:47:51.000 And you're shooting 140 yards with iron sights.

01:47:54.000 You can't just nick someone's ear.

01:47:56.000 You'll hit their fucking head.

01:47:58.000 You'll blow their brains out accidentally.

01:48:00.000 How much do you have to account for gravity at that distance?

01:48:02.000 You don't.

01:48:04.000 That's really short.

01:48:05.000 That's a short distance.

01:48:06.000 That's why you can, like, put the post on it.

01:48:08.000 If you wanted to go long distance, then you would want a scope.

01:48:10.000 You want a high-powered scope, and you would also use ballistic software.

01:48:14.000 So, ballistic software is like, you would apply, like, there's like a watch that has it built in, actually.

01:48:21.000 The Garmin Tactics X. Tactics 8, rather.

01:48:24.000 Shout out Garmin.

01:48:26.000 You would take this ballistic software.

01:48:28.000 You calculate the distance.

01:48:30.000 So you would use a rangefinder, which he had, by the way.

01:48:34.000 He was walking around with a rangefinder before the...

01:48:37.000 They saw him with a rangefinder.

01:48:39.000 They didn't even arrest him.

01:48:40.000 Somebody let him on that roof.

01:48:41.000 They fucking gave him that gun.

01:48:42.000 That's what I think.

01:48:44.000 The rangefinder would say, oh, 500 yards.

01:48:46.000 So then you would set your sight for 500 yards.

01:48:50.000 And then it adjusts accordingly when you're looking.

01:48:53.000 So your...

01:48:56.000 Your application, with some scopes, you can actually sync up your scope with your app.

01:49:02.000 So it'll put the reticle, it'll put the crosshairs exactly where you need to aim.

01:49:07.000 For the bullet to drop.

01:49:09.000 Exactly.

01:49:10.000 That makes sense.

01:49:11.000 So the reticle...

01:49:13.000 The X would move up and down.

01:49:15.000 Accordingly, yeah.

01:49:15.000 Exactly.

01:49:16.000 But at that distance, you're saying that there isn't too much drop?

01:49:18.000 No, there's no.

01:49:19.000 And he's also elevated.

01:49:20.000 It's a straight shot.

01:49:21.000 I mean, maybe a very slight drop because it's only like a millisecond before it hits him.

01:49:27.000 It's a very slight drop at that.

01:49:28.000 But when you get to, like, significant distances, like 400 yards, 500 yards, it's a factor.

01:49:34.000 Yeah.

01:49:35.000 Like, you hold high.

01:49:36.000 Like, say if you have...

01:49:37.000 What does that mean, hold high?

01:49:38.000 So if you're zeroed, say if I'm shooting a deer and my rifle's zeroed at 100 yards, that means at 100 yards it shoots exactly where that crosshair is.

01:49:46.000 But the deer is 300 yards?

01:49:49.000 I'll hold it at the top of his back.

01:49:51.000 Because you know it's going to come down.

01:49:52.000 I know it's going to drop.

01:49:53.000 This is with bows or this is with bows?

01:49:54.000 No, this is with a rifle.

01:49:55.000 And then with bows, I imagine it's even more.

01:49:57.000 With bows, you have to be very, very sure because there's so much drop.

01:50:03.000 There's so much drop.

01:50:04.000 Yeah.

01:50:04.000 Yeah, there's so much drop.

01:50:05.000 I have...

01:50:08.000 A rangefinder.

01:50:09.000 It's not just a rangefinder.

01:50:10.000 It's called a full draw.

01:50:11.000 It's a loophole full draw 5. And what it does is, it doesn't just put the reticle and tell me the exact distance.

01:50:18.000 It says, I'm not aiming with this.

01:50:20.000 This is just giving me the distance.

01:50:21.000 But it also shows me a line where the peak of the arrow height is.

01:50:26.000 Because the arrow arcs, right?

01:50:29.000 So...

01:50:29.000 What I'm doing is I'm shooting through trees sometimes.

01:50:32.000 Like, I'm trying to shoot an animal, and I'm shooting through a gap in the trees.

01:50:36.000 So you have to make sure that on the drop, it passes through that gap in the tree.

01:50:40.000 Exactly.

01:50:44.000 Like, there's a video of me hunting with Cam.

01:50:47.000 We were hunting in Utah.

01:50:49.000 And it was for Under Armour, back when he was with Under Armour.

01:50:53.000 And I had to shoot this elk.

01:50:56.000 I shot it through trees.

01:50:57.000 I shot it through, like, it's a video.

01:50:59.000 You can see the arrow go right through this hole.

01:51:03.000 It's probably the most beautiful shots I've ever made.

01:51:05.000 And I made it on camera because I was kind of freaking out.

01:51:08.000 I got to have a hunt on camera.

01:51:09.000 Like, hunting is a big thing for a celebrity to be doing.

01:51:12.000 You're hunting, but you're also going to hunt on camera, and you're going to hunt on camera with a bow and arrow.

01:51:16.000 So I was, like, super locked in.

01:51:19.000 And it was just...

01:51:20.000 Perfect.

01:51:21.000 It was just magical how that arrow went right through this gap.

01:51:24.000 Just thread the needle and right in the heart. 0.98

01:51:27.000 It was perfect.

01:51:28.000 It was a perfect shot.

01:51:29.000 Like exactly where you're on.

01:51:30.000 Right behind the shoulder, right up here.

01:51:33.000 It was like double lungs in the top of the heart.

01:51:37.000 And then you gotta carry that bitch. 1.00

01:51:39.000 Yeah, well, you gotta chop it up first.

01:51:41.000 You're not carrying it.

01:51:41.000 It's too big.

01:51:42.000 That's the thing that, like, I never accounted for.

01:51:45.000 I was watching, I don't know if it was some video you posted or maybe it was Cam, but, like, I always thought about the hunting part.

01:51:51.000 Like, okay, let's find it, let's track it, let's shoot it.

01:51:53.000 But I never thought about getting home with all the meat.

01:51:56.000 Oh, yeah, man.

01:51:58.000 That seems so...

01:51:59.000 It's very hard.

01:52:00.000 And what we do is way easier than what some guys do.

01:52:05.000 Some guys do public land, solo, backpack, elk hunting.

01:52:11.000 So they're throwing the shit in the backpack.

01:52:13.000 They have a pack, so they'll take a pack like...

01:52:17.000 Great pack is like XO Mountain Gear.

01:52:19.000 It's a great company that makes packs.

01:52:21.000 And they have different frames based on your height.

01:52:24.000 It's all made so you can carry a lot of weight on your body.

01:52:27.000 A lot of it sits on your hips.

01:52:29.000 And it's all engineered.

01:52:30.000 Oh, it displaces the weight so you're not just getting dragged out.

01:52:33.000 Pull up like XO Mountain Gear backpacks.

01:52:37.000 They have specific packs that are designed so you can carry 100 pounds on your back.

01:52:42.000 Right.

01:52:42.000 Like, as comfortably as you can.

01:52:44.000 But it's fucking brutal.

01:52:47.000 So these guys might...

01:52:49.000 Hike in.

01:52:50.000 No bullshit.

01:52:52.000 Miles, right?

01:52:52.000 So that's what it looks like.

01:52:53.000 See all these packs?

01:52:55.000 Get the picture of those guys when they have it on their back, Jamie, the one above that?

01:52:58.000 Yeah, that one right there.

01:52:59.000 So that's what it would look like for two dudes who are carrying their whole camp on their back.

01:53:04.000 So they probably have their tent in there.

01:53:06.000 They have their sleeping bag in there.

01:53:08.000 They have food in there for a week.

01:53:11.000 You've got freeze-dried food, generally speaking.

01:53:15.000 There's a bunch of different meals, like mountain ops.

01:53:19.000 There's a bunch of different companies.

01:53:21.000 So this is a guy carrying an elk quarter on his back.

01:53:24.000 That motherfucker probably has 100 pounds on his back right now because he has his bag and his pack, which is probably 50 pounds, and then he has that giant-ass elk leg on his back.

01:53:32.000 Alright, so is there ever, like, a distance that they deem too far because walking back with the elk, it wouldn't be worth it?

01:53:40.000 So, like, I imagine you're tracking for a while.

01:53:42.000 It's not like you just walk in and there are all the elks, right?

01:53:44.000 You have to find them.

01:53:45.000 Yeah, but you can get lucky and find them a couple of miles in, and that's pretty nice.

01:53:49.000 But is there a point where you go, I'm not going more than five because five back carrying the elk would be too difficult?

01:53:54.000 Yeah, some guys do that.

01:53:55.000 But some guys are hard fucking horrible.

01:53:57.000 Like, they'll kill an elk 25 miles in and spend three days bringing it back.

01:54:02.000 And now you have elk carcass.

01:54:05.000 You have all the other animals that also like to dine on elk.

01:54:09.000 You string it up in a tree.

01:54:10.000 Got it.

01:54:10.000 So getting it, it's like, what is that, Old Man in the Sea?

01:54:13.000 Is that the book?

01:54:14.000 Where he finally hunts and gets this big fish, but he's got to bring it back.

01:54:19.000 And by the time he brings it back, it's just like a skeleton.

01:54:21.000 Nobody believes he got this amazing big fish.

01:54:25.000 You don't ever think about the journey back.

01:54:27.000 That seems almost more stressful.

01:54:29.000 Well, the best way to do it, the backcountry, if you have the money, is horse.

01:54:36.000 They have horses take you back there, and the horses will pack, or mules.

01:54:40.000 Yeah, so you can pack them up.

01:54:41.000 Yeah, they'll keep your camp on their back, and you'll have several, like a train of them, and then you can load them up with elk quarters, and then take them back.

01:54:51.000 And for them, it ain't shit.

01:54:52.000 It's thousands of pounds, right?

01:54:54.000 Well, it's not really.

01:54:55.000 How much is an elk?

01:54:56.000 It's about 400 pounds of meat.

01:54:59.000 Oh, because you're leaving the bones and everything.

01:55:01.000 You're leaving a lot.

01:55:02.000 So you skin it, you cut it up.

01:55:03.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:55:04.000 But you've got to take some of the bones.

01:55:05.000 You want a rib, right?

01:55:06.000 You could have the ribs.

01:55:07.000 Most guys cut the rib meat out of the ribs and you grind it and make hamburger or chili out of it or things like that.

01:55:16.000 Yeah.

01:55:17.000 Cam, he, like, makes strips, and then he chops those strips up.

01:55:21.000 Like, you can, there's a lot of different things you could do with rib meat.

01:55:25.000 It's pretty tender.

01:55:26.000 It's good.

01:55:27.000 It's real good when you cook them, like, slow over a fire, though.

01:55:31.000 It's not the most tender meat.

01:55:33.000 Like, when you cook them over a fire, it can get pretty tough, unless you do it, like, real low and slow, like smoking it almost, like they would do a barbecue.

01:55:42.000 Yeah.

01:55:43.000 But it makes great hamburger.

01:55:45.000 But like the real, what everybody really loves is like the back strap.

01:55:52.000 That's like essentially that would be like the filet.

01:55:54.000 The filet, right?

01:55:55.000 The tenderloin.

01:55:55.000 And then the quarters.

01:55:57.000 You make great steaks and you can make...

01:56:00.000 What do these guys do when they age out of this?

01:56:03.000 Oh, like hunting?

01:56:04.000 Yeah.

01:56:05.000 You try not to.

01:56:06.000 Keep working out.

01:56:07.000 But, like, an NBA player eventually reaches the end of his professional playing ability.

01:56:12.000 He might play in a gym.

01:56:13.000 But, like, what does a cam do at, like, 75?

01:56:16.000 He'll still be bow hunting at 75, 100%.

01:56:18.000 But hunt a different thing?

01:56:19.000 No.

01:56:20.000 No, he'll be doing the same thing.

01:56:22.000 There's physical limitations, I imagine.

01:56:23.000 There are, but not as much anymore.

01:56:26.000 Not with, like, hormone replacement and weightlifting.

01:56:30.000 Got it, got it.

01:56:30.000 You know, like, guys like me didn't exist.

01:56:35.000 30 years ago.

01:56:36.000 Like, 57-year-old jack dudes?

01:56:38.000 Yeah.

01:56:38.000 They didn't exist.

01:56:39.000 Yeah.

01:56:39.000 By the time you get 57, all that shit's gone.

01:56:43.000 Yeah.

01:56:43.000 And all that shit goes away.

01:56:45.000 I still have 30-year-old arms.

01:56:48.000 They're still legit.

01:56:50.000 They work real good.

01:56:53.000 Everything works real good.

01:56:55.000 But you have to, you know, maintain yourself, take care of yourself.

01:56:58.000 And if there's something like that that you care about, you know, like I have a friend, Brendan Burns, he runs Kuyu.

01:57:04.000 It's like a huge outdoor clothing company.

01:57:07.000 He's a hardcore bowhunter.

01:57:08.000 One of the best bowhunters in the world.

01:57:10.000 Was a big-time college wrestler, like a great athlete.

01:57:13.000 Won't even try jiu-jitsu because he doesn't want to hurt himself for hunting.

01:57:17.000 Hunting is so important to him.

01:57:19.000 He's like, I'm not skiing.

01:57:20.000 I'm not fucking around.

01:57:21.000 Fuck that.

01:57:22.000 I feel like that's my whole workout regimen is just so I could play this sport called paddle.

01:57:26.000 It's not pickleball.

01:57:27.000 It's called paddle.

01:57:28.000 What is this?

01:57:29.000 It's a racket sport that I'm absolutely obsessed with.

01:57:32.000 I swear to God.

01:57:33.000 It started in Acapulco, Mexico, and then it goes to Spain and it gets blown up there.

01:57:37.000 And it's essentially like squash and tennis mixed together.

01:57:40.000 So there's...

01:57:42.000 There's walls.

01:57:43.000 There's this glass wall in the back and these fences on the side.

01:57:45.000 Have you heard of this, Jamie?

01:57:46.000 Yeah, I played with him.

01:57:47.000 Yeah, we played.

01:57:48.000 I dragged him out.

01:57:49.000 Bro, it is the most obsessed.

01:57:52.000 It's the fastest growing sport in the world right now.

01:57:53.000 It will take over tennis.

01:57:54.000 Are you a spokesperson for paddle?

01:57:56.000 Is that what's going on here?

01:57:57.000 I probably am the only person that is talking about it at this level.

01:57:59.000 Look at you!

01:58:00.000 This is me.

01:58:01.000 This is shout-out Paddle House in New York.

01:58:03.000 They got one in Williamsburg and one in Brooklyn.

01:58:05.000 And this is the game?

01:58:06.000 This is the game.

01:58:07.000 I'm so bad.

01:58:07.000 And you're playing with tennis balls?

01:58:08.000 It's unbelievable.

01:58:08.000 So you play with a deflated tennis ball.

01:58:11.000 So what essentially what it is you got to show highlights because I'm so fucking horrible that it's not gonna do it justice But the idea behind it is at least for me is There's always hope so the ball gets past you in tennis you're cooked the ball gets past you in paddle It bounces off that back wall, and you're playing it off the back wall, so you're never fully out of the game And you're constantly it's my it is the only thing outside of like surfing and Boxing and then comedy where I'm not look at this What?

01:58:41.000 It is...

01:58:41.000 That guy went out the door.

01:58:43.000 Oh, you're allowed to leave and go get it.

01:58:45.000 Yeah, I mean, it's just...

01:58:47.000 Dude, I was down in Miami.

01:58:48.000 There's a thing called the Reserve Cup.

01:58:49.000 Shout out, Reserve.

01:58:50.000 How do I not know about this?

01:58:51.000 This is the...

01:58:52.000 I'm telling you, this will extend my life by, God bless, 10, 20 years.

01:58:56.000 Really?

01:58:57.000 Also, you've got to watch the chicks play because they don't have the power to smack it out, so it's just pure skill and... 1.00

01:59:03.000 And cleverness?

01:59:04.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:59:05.000 Everything is placement.

01:59:06.000 It's delicate placement.

01:59:08.000 So what they're trying to do is, I'm telling you, it's unbelievable.

01:59:11.000 And everybody that's playing tennis and squashing all these other racquet sports is starting to convert to this.

01:59:16.000 Really?

01:59:16.000 Yes.

01:59:17.000 Tennis?

01:59:17.000 Everybody from tennis is coming over.

01:59:19.000 Now I'm talking about professionals.

01:59:20.000 I'm talking about people that played in college or whatever.

01:59:23.000 Really?

01:59:23.000 And now they're starting to come over to this.

01:59:25.000 Like Miami, they're obsessed.

01:59:26.000 In Europe, they're completely obsessed.

01:59:28.000 You go to Sweden, there's thousands.

01:59:30.000 Like, all, like, Cristiano Ronaldo and all the soccer guys are all playing it.

01:59:34.000 They own the facilities.

01:59:35.000 How the fuck am I just finding out about this for the first time?

01:59:37.000 You guys got one here.

01:59:38.000 What's it called?

01:59:38.000 They just built one?

01:59:39.000 Yeah, it's a paddled club, Austin or something.

01:59:43.000 Something like that.

01:59:43.000 But it's just, it is...

01:59:46.000 I'm upset.

01:59:46.000 Oh, it's just never ending.

01:59:48.000 Dude, I take lessons.

01:59:48.000 This guy just ran outside the arena.

01:59:50.000 Yeah.

01:59:51.000 That is crazy.

01:59:52.000 But the fact that there's hope, the fact is like, it's not just brute strength.

01:59:56.000 There's that little guy that was playing on the right right there, Chingoto.

01:59:58.000 This guy's like 5'3".

02:00:00.000 And he's so skilled.

02:00:02.000 And since it's not, he's not in this court.

02:00:06.000 That guy, Tapia, is the best in the world.

02:00:08.000 You know all the players?

02:00:09.000 I'm obsessed with this in the way that you're obsessed with jiu-jitsu.

02:00:13.000 I can't believe I'm just finding out about this right now.

02:00:17.000 I got to play with some of these guys.

02:00:18.000 Really?

02:00:19.000 And they toy with me.

02:00:20.000 They'll just bring me up to the net on drop shots and then bring me back to the end.

02:00:24.000 I'm just running around like a little bitch. 0.99

02:00:27.000 These guys to me are like Michael Jordan or LeBron James.

02:00:30.000 I get giddy around them.

02:00:32.000 I'm so excited.

02:00:34.000 I'm telling you, I'm taking lessons once a week.

02:00:37.000 Shout out my boy Lucho in New York, the best fucking instructor on the planet right now.

02:00:41.000 He works at Paddle House.

02:00:42.000 He's incredible.

02:00:43.000 Wow, you're taking lessons.

02:00:44.000 I'm playing three or four times a week.

02:00:46.000 What?

02:00:47.000 Yeah, my whole workout regimen is built around making sure that my shoulder is okay so I can play.

02:00:54.000 Entire dedication to this.

02:00:56.000 The only thing I've been obsessed with this about is stand-up comedy.

02:00:59.000 Wow.

02:01:00.000 It's the only thing.

02:01:01.000 And I have no racquet sport background.

02:01:02.000 I never played tennis growing up.

02:01:03.000 I grew up in the city.

02:01:05.000 I went to public school.

02:01:05.000 It does look fun.

02:01:06.000 Dude, it's...

02:01:07.000 I just can't believe you can run outside.

02:01:09.000 It's just...

02:01:10.000 That's so crazy that you run outside.

02:01:13.000 The point isn't over.

02:01:15.000 You know what I mean?

02:01:15.000 There's always hope.

02:01:17.000 And that's the beauty.

02:01:18.000 If you're a really competitive person, when you play against someone who's got more strength than you, even when I would box and shit like that, somebody who was just bad, eventually if they can connect, it's over.

02:01:28.000 And even in this, in power, you can mitigate their power.

02:01:32.000 You can move them around the court.

02:01:34.000 There are guys that are way better than me at tennis, squash, and all these other things.

02:01:37.000 But strategically in this game, if you don't hit it out, I got a chance.

02:01:42.000 Wow.

02:01:42.000 And it's just...

02:01:43.000 You should do commentary.

02:01:45.000 Dude, I was telling the guys...

02:01:46.000 You should do what I do for the UFC. I literally told the guys...

02:01:48.000 Dude, I was telling Wayne, who owns Reserve, man.

02:01:50.000 Shout out to Wayne.

02:01:50.000 And I was like, I know you have your guys doing it, but like, dude...

02:01:54.000 I am obsessed with this like Joe is with the UFC and MMA. Like, you don't need to pay me.

02:01:59.000 Like, I just want to talk about the sport.

02:02:01.000 Like, I want to build this fucking thing up.

02:02:03.000 How do we build this thing up?

02:02:04.000 Wow.

02:02:04.000 And I literally thought about you.

02:02:06.000 I've never seen you like this before.

02:02:07.000 Bro, I get excited.

02:02:08.000 Dude, it drives my wife crazy. 1.00

02:02:10.000 Like, I go to fucking brunch on a Sunday and me and my boy Jason are just talking about our paddle games this week.

02:02:15.000 Oh, no!

02:02:16.000 Dude, it's...

02:02:16.000 My boy Jason just hit me up and he's like, listen, I know you got the special and everything going up, but my calf is feeling better, so we got a game Wednesday.

02:02:22.000 And I'm like...

02:02:23.000 Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm ready.

02:02:25.000 That's crazy.

02:02:27.000 It's just the coolest thing.

02:02:28.000 Wow.

02:02:29.000 I know you don't fuck with team sports, but this is...

02:02:31.000 It looks fun.

02:02:32.000 It definitely looks fun.

02:02:33.000 It's great.

02:02:34.000 It's great.

02:02:34.000 Yeah.

02:02:35.000 Jamie's a little sneaky athlete.

02:02:36.000 Oh, Jamie's a good basketball player.

02:02:39.000 But even tennis, too.

02:02:39.000 You see Jamie sink threes.

02:02:41.000 Yeah, he's sneaky.

02:02:42.000 We had a little fun.

02:02:44.000 You see him play golf.

02:02:45.000 He's a motherfucker with the drive.

02:02:48.000 He's got that simulator in the back.

02:02:50.000 Oh, in your house?

02:02:50.000 What's the furthest?

02:02:51.000 Right here.

02:02:52.000 Right here.

02:02:52.000 We have it in the garage.

02:02:53.000 What's the furthest you ever whacked one of those on that?

02:02:56.000 I don't know.

02:02:57.000 Far.

02:02:57.000 300 yards.

02:02:58.000 Whatever.

02:02:58.000 Oh, wow.

02:02:58.000 You're like a legit.

02:02:59.000 Dude, his swing is legit.

02:03:02.000 You should have seen Brian Callen trying to swing after Jamie.

02:03:05.000 It was comical because I'm behind him talking mad shit.

02:03:12.000 I'm like, you ain't gonna beat Jamie, bitch! 1.00

02:03:15.000 Bro, the joy that must have come to you watching Jamie smoke Callen.

02:03:20.000 Oh, it was so much fun.

02:03:22.000 It was so much fun.

02:03:23.000 Anyway, yeah.

02:03:24.000 It was joyful.

02:03:25.000 I'm so obsessed with it.

02:03:27.000 That's incredible.

02:03:27.000 Even now, just the idea that Paddle has spoken about on the Rogan podcast is just crazy.

02:03:32.000 How about you told me about it?

02:03:33.000 I never even knew it was a thing.

02:03:34.000 If someone brought it up to me, I'd be like, that's bullshit.

02:03:37.000 That's not real.

02:03:37.000 Dude, it is real.

02:03:38.000 And these guys are starting to make money now.

02:03:40.000 The top guys are starting to make a decent amount of money.

02:03:44.000 That looks like ESPN for sure.

02:03:46.000 Oh, look, I had Kamaru there.

02:03:47.000 Oh! 0.60

02:03:48.000 Doesn't Kamaru have really fucked up knees? 1.00

02:03:50.000 Don't ruin his knees, bro.

02:03:52.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:03:53.000 I mean...

02:03:54.000 But he played pickleball because he's down there in Miami.

02:03:56.000 His knees are so fucked up.

02:03:57.000 Yeah, it's tricky.

02:03:59.000 I hope that if stem cell technology advances, if the FDA finally allows people to have the same kind of stem cells in America that they do in Colombia and Mexico.

02:04:12.000 Norway or Sweden?

02:04:13.000 Where's the other place that they do it?

02:04:16.000 I don't know.

02:04:17.000 If you want the white stem cells.

02:04:21.000 I mean...

02:04:22.000 It's like Norway that they're harvesting them.

02:04:24.000 Well, the places that I know of are...

02:04:26.000 The big one is the CPI in Tijuana.

02:04:28.000 That's one of the best in the world.

02:04:29.000 Okay.

02:04:30.000 And that place is...

02:04:31.000 They have a partnership with the UFC. They send a lot of the athletes down there.

02:04:34.000 Oh, really?

02:04:34.000 And there's another place in Colombia, BioAccelerator.

02:04:37.000 There's an island in the Caribbean that they do it, too, that they, like, bring a...

02:04:40.000 Mm-hmm.

02:04:41.000 They bring the...

02:04:42.000 They, like, fly in the medical office, essentially, for the week or two-week periods.

02:04:47.000 Oh, okay.

02:04:48.000 Yeah, and then they have, like, stem cells that have been harvested in some place.

02:04:51.000 My neighbor did that. 0.92

02:04:54.000 I forget which island it is.

02:04:55.000 Well, there's Panama, too.

02:04:57.000 Dr. Neil Reardon.

02:04:59.000 He's written so many books and papers on the benefits of himself.

02:05:03.000 Have you done the stencils?

02:05:03.000 I've done a shitload of them.

02:05:05.000 And what is the immediate impact?

02:05:08.000 Oh, it heals soft tissue way better than anything else that I've ever used before.

02:05:12.000 So, like, what, for example, what injury did you have that you felt...

02:05:16.000 The biggest one, I've talked about it before, I apologize if you've heard this before, people.

02:05:19.000 I had a rotator cuff tear, a full-length rotator cuff tear, and went to a doctor, went to the UFC's doctor.

02:05:26.000 They sent me to an orthopedic surgeon.

02:05:28.000 He looks at my MRI. You can't believe I can do anything.

02:05:31.000 He says, I can't believe you can do anything with this shoulder.

02:05:32.000 You have a full-length rotator cuff tear.

02:05:35.000 But he does all the stuff with me, like push down, push up, and he goes, you're pretty functional.

02:05:41.000 He goes, I think it's probably because you have a lot of muscle around the joint, but you're going to need surgery.

02:05:46.000 He goes, you could try to rehab it, but you're going to need surgery.

02:05:48.000 I go, really?

02:05:49.000 Gun need surgery? 0.74

02:05:50.000 He goes, yeah.

02:05:50.000 I go, am I ruining my shoulder by not having surgery?

02:05:53.000 He's like, potentially.

02:05:55.000 He's like, you know, try your best rehab, put it off as much as you want, but you're going to need surgery.

02:05:59.000 So then I go to Dr. Roddy McGee in Vegas.

02:06:02.000 And this was years ago.

02:06:04.000 He's doing stem cells with the UFC athletes.

02:06:07.000 He's a bunch of different people.

02:06:08.000 He's like, well, we could try it.

02:06:09.000 And I think the stem cells I got them actually aren't even available anymore because they were too good.

02:06:15.000 So they inject it in my shoulder.

02:06:17.000 And then after a couple of weeks, it feels pretty fucking good.

02:06:19.000 And then I rehab it.

02:06:21.000 I'm doing like bands and all sorts of different stuff.

02:06:24.000 I get it to the point where it starts feeling good.

02:06:26.000 I start light, like light kettlebells.

02:06:28.000 It's feeling pretty good.

02:06:29.000 I go back to him six months later.

02:06:31.000 He does an MRI. He says, this is the most astounding thing I've ever seen in all my years of being an orthopedic surgeon.

02:06:37.000 He goes, the tear is gone.

02:06:39.000 Like, this full-length rotator cuff tear that was gonna need surgery doesn't exist anymore.

02:06:45.000 Like, when I say, like, my shoulder is better, I mean, it doesn't bother me at all.

02:06:50.000 Like, at all.

02:06:51.000 I do everything.

02:06:53.000 I hit the bag.

02:06:55.000 I do kettlebells with 70 pounds.

02:06:58.000 I do swings and curls and cleans and presses.

02:07:02.000 Zero pain.

02:07:03.000 Not a one thing like, man, maybe I shouldn't be doing this.

02:07:07.000 It feels 100% normal.

02:07:10.000 And all stem cells.

02:07:12.000 I could have got...

02:07:14.000 Cut with a sling.

02:07:15.000 And then you're done.

02:07:16.000 Didn't do any of that.

02:07:17.000 I have a shoulder, a little bit of a shoulder issue, actually.

02:07:19.000 I'm curious if the stem cells...

02:07:21.000 100%.

02:07:21.000 I'll bring you to Ways to Well that's in Austin.

02:07:24.000 Listen, man, they've healed so many people that I'm friends with.

02:07:28.000 So many guys that I know.

02:07:30.000 I had a minimal scapular movement.

02:07:31.000 I think that was the issue.

02:07:32.000 So I was making up for the fact that my scapula doesn't move that much with just stretching out the muscles around it.

02:07:39.000 Does that make sense?

02:07:40.000 So I guess that scapula is this...

02:07:43.000 Bone here?

02:07:44.000 The scapula is the one that kind of like hangs off.

02:07:47.000 Yeah, and like that's supposed to move up with your arm when you extend it.

02:07:51.000 And it was staying there, but I was still moving my arm.

02:07:54.000 So I'm stretching all, I guess, the muscles or tendons or whatever.

02:07:57.000 What had happened to your scapula that made it freeze like that?

02:07:59.000 I don't know.

02:08:00.000 I was told that I might have like a small tear in the rotator cuff.

02:08:03.000 Do you hang?

02:08:04.000 Do you ever hang from your hands?

02:08:06.000 I mean, I would do, I do like...

02:08:07.000 Pull-ups is part of my exercise routine when I'm doing any other body.

02:08:11.000 Pull-ups are great exercise, but hanging is great for shoulder health.

02:08:15.000 So what I do every day for at least a minute, usually more, I usually do a couple of sets of hangs before I do anything.

02:08:25.000 I'll do my warm-ups with push-ups and bodyweight squats, and then what I do is I chalk up my hands, and I grab ahold of the bar, and I just hang.

02:08:34.000 And I just try, and I feel my back popping, like it decompresses your back because your spine, like the weight of your hips and your legs is pulling on your spine for the first time.

02:08:44.000 Normally life is pushing down on you.

02:08:46.000 Gravity, the weight of your body is pushing down.

02:08:48.000 Wow, and now you're using gravity to pull it all out.

02:08:50.000 Yes.

02:08:50.000 So I do that, I hang that way, and then I also do that DEX. We have a machine out there.

02:08:56.000 Teeter, the company that makes those things where you hang by your ankles.

02:08:59.000 Yeah, I've seen it.

02:08:59.000 They have a great one where you – it's called the Dex.

02:09:01.000 I like it better than the ankle one where you hinge at the hips and you fall forward and then you just – it's basically like your lower body and your hips are carrying – like locking your weight in place and you're leaning forward.

02:09:15.000 So the full weight of your upper body is decompressing your back and I'll feel it going like pop, pop, pop.

02:09:21.000 I'll feel like little pops in my back and I stretch it and I move on that.

02:09:25.000 And it's all just about keeping the spine pliable and keeping the range of motion in your spine, but also in your shoulder joints.

02:09:33.000 It's one of the best things for shoulder joints is to just hang.

02:09:37.000 And I'll hang with one arm sometimes.

02:09:38.000 I'll hang with both arms.

02:09:40.000 But I'm just like letting it all stretch out.

02:09:43.000 So it stretches all the mobility of your shoulders.

02:09:48.000 Creates space in there, allows everything to move freer, and then I'll do my chin-ups.

02:09:54.000 So I do my sets of chin-ups, dips, pull-ups.

02:09:55.000 So that's your stretch, essentially.

02:09:56.000 Yes.

02:09:58.000 Okay, maybe I have to add that in, yeah.

02:09:59.000 I also stretch on a bar, where I grab the bar and I turn like this, and I get it like that, and I get a deep stretch that way, and I get a deep stretch the other way.

02:10:07.000 I'll do that on my back on the ground.

02:10:09.000 You should also do these things called crossover symmetry.

02:10:14.000 It's these bands, and they have varying resistance, like different colors or different strength or resistance.

02:10:20.000 You don't even need a lot of resistance.

02:10:21.000 The whole idea is just you're working the tendons and all the connective tissue, and you're just doing all these different shoulder exercises.

02:10:29.000 And so they cross.

02:10:30.000 One is attached to a post over here, and the other one's here.

02:10:33.000 So I'm doing these, and I'm doing these, and I'm pinning them against my arm, and I'm doing it like that, where I'm just working the rotator cuff muscles.

02:10:41.000 Just to keep everything...

02:10:43.000 You're creating the torque on the joint.

02:10:45.000 Yeah.

02:10:45.000 Whereas, like, when you're lifting weights, you can kind of manipulate what part of your body is lifting.

02:10:49.000 You can, and that's how you get injured sometimes, too.

02:10:52.000 Yeah, that's...

02:10:52.000 I gotta do the...

02:10:53.000 Because that's my biggest concern right now, is, you know, to bring it back to your friends.

02:10:57.000 Is battle.

02:10:58.000 How do I play?

02:10:59.000 That's so...

02:11:00.000 Like, everything I do, like, I do PT twice a week.

02:11:02.000 Shout out my boy Mike Helgeson, he's fucking great.

02:11:04.000 You do PT twice a week?

02:11:05.000 Yeah, it's like I'm lifting, but I'm with a guy who is a PT, so if there is an issue, we can...

02:11:09.000 Oh, I see, I see, I see.

02:11:11.000 But he'll just take me through weightlifting if I'm feeling good, and if I'm not, then we're doing some work, and...

02:11:15.000 Have you been able to increase the mobility of your scapula?

02:11:18.000 Dude, my, yes, and my shoulder was fucked before, and he brought it back.

02:11:21.000 Him and this guy Kyle were like, don't do surgery.

02:11:25.000 Like, they were like, once you do surgery, you're fucked.

02:11:27.000 And so let's try to work this thing out by building muscle around it, getting mobility into the joint, and like...

02:11:34.000 They brought the shoulder back.

02:11:35.000 Let me say one thing real quick.

02:11:37.000 That's not always true.

02:11:39.000 I know a lot of people that have had successful shoulder surgery.

02:11:42.000 And in some cases, that's the only thing you can do.

02:11:45.000 To save yourself.

02:11:46.000 Yeah.

02:11:46.000 There's like Yuri Prochaska, the UFC, former light heavyweight champion.

02:11:50.000 His shoulder was blown apart.

02:11:51.000 They had to put it back together.

02:11:52.000 They had to.

02:11:53.000 And incredibly effective.

02:11:55.000 Yeah.

02:11:55.000 Damn.

02:11:56.000 That Jamal Hill fight?

02:11:57.000 Unbelievable.

02:11:57.000 Holy shit.

02:11:58.000 Unbelievable.

02:11:59.000 Holy shit.

02:11:59.000 So for a situation like that, shoulder surgery...

02:12:03.000 surgery was necessary.

02:12:04.000 This shit was torn apart.

02:12:05.000 You can't just heal that with stem cells.

02:12:07.000 But there are things you can heal with stem cells.

02:12:10.000 And it definitely helps soft tissue injuries in a way like nothing else I've ever used.

02:12:15.000 It's legit.

02:12:16.000 And Brigham Bueller, who's the CEO of WasteWell, he's worked so hard on edge. He's been on this podcast a bunch of times and Tucker's podcast, a bunch of podcasts, just talking about all these different methods that are available that are being stifled by the FDA.

02:12:34.000 Once you get something that you're addicted to, longevity exercise or regimens or whatever it is, are very easy to do.

02:12:42.000 Because you're not really doing them so you can live to 100. You're like, how do I play this thing next week?

02:12:48.000 And all the motivation comes from it.

02:12:51.000 It's really simple.

02:12:52.000 I actually can't wait to go do the PT, whatever it is, because I'm like, okay, I have a game Wednesday and I want to be good to play.

02:12:57.000 It sounds ridiculous.

02:12:58.000 I'm 41. I'm not going pro at this thing, but I love it so much that I would literally...

02:13:03.000 I'm looking up the fucking BPC 157. I'm like, do I need the Wolverine shit that they say, right?

02:13:09.000 And it's like, do I get that?

02:13:11.000 So I can recover faster.

02:13:12.000 Yeah, get that.

02:13:13.000 Have you tried that?

02:13:14.000 It's legit.

02:13:15.000 Super legit.

02:13:16.000 I recommend it to a buddy with no research.

02:13:18.000 I was like, you should do this.

02:13:19.000 And then a couple weeks later, he's like, I'm on it.

02:13:20.000 And I was like, did you look up?

02:13:22.000 I'm not a doctor or anything.

02:13:26.000 But he said he did it for his...

02:13:28.000 He got an ACL surgery.

02:13:31.000 And his doctor, he asked about it.

02:13:33.000 And his doctor goes, I take it.

02:13:35.000 Well, that's a good doctor.

02:13:36.000 Because I've had friends where I tell them about their doctors, oh, you shouldn't do that.

02:13:40.000 There's no studies.

02:13:41.000 That's the thing.

02:13:42.000 I feel like there's like old guard guys.

02:13:43.000 They're a little bit hesitant to use some of the maybe newer technology.

02:13:47.000 And I'm sure they have their reasons.

02:13:48.000 I don't know more than them about the science.

02:13:50.000 But there are these new technologies that can maybe extend our playing age.

02:13:55.000 Again, I don't need to be a pro.

02:13:56.000 But I love...

02:13:57.000 This thing, and I want to do it as much as I can.

02:14:01.000 I want to get as good as I possibly can.

02:14:03.000 It feels good to be getting better at something at this age.

02:14:06.000 Well, let me tell you something.

02:14:07.000 There's a reason why USADA didn't let people use it in the UFC, and now Drug Free Sport also doesn't let people use it in the UFC. It's because it works.

02:14:14.000 Wait a minute.

02:14:15.000 Why would they not?

02:14:17.000 Wouldn't it be advantageous for the athletes?

02:14:19.000 Exactly.

02:14:20.000 It's really stupid.

02:14:20.000 But the idea is that it's performance enhancing because it lets you heal quicker.

02:14:25.000 So heal from injuries quicker, potentially heal from recovering from training quicker.

02:14:30.000 And what would their argument...

02:14:32.000 I mean, the only argument I've heard is it increases cell growth.

02:14:35.000 Well, the idea is keep everybody on a completely level playing field.

02:14:39.000 How do you do that?

02:14:40.000 No one's able to take anything.

02:14:42.000 You can't take any performance-enhancing substances.

02:14:44.000 Or make it accessible to all athletes.

02:14:46.000 Well, I think that's the right way to do it.

02:14:48.000 But the problem is that, okay, what peptides are we talking about?

02:14:51.000 What about things like HCG, which radically increase testosterone production?

02:14:55.000 Are you allowed to do that?

02:14:57.000 Okay, because if you're allowed to do that, like, what level is that steroids?

02:15:00.000 Only recovery.

02:15:01.000 I think any recovery drug.

02:15:04.000 Obviously, there's risks to all this.

02:15:05.000 You increase cell growth, and if you have cancer, God forbid, in your body, those cells are going to grow as well, right?

02:15:09.000 There's an argument for that, but I think the real argument is what's causing cancer, right?

02:15:14.000 The real argument is eliminating environmental toxins and the issues.

02:15:19.000 Also, there's people that have genetic predispositions to cancer, unfortunately.

02:15:22.000 But the real reality about cancer is, unfortunately, what you take into your body has a significant effect.

02:15:29.000 Your diet has a significant effect.

02:15:31.000 Exercise has a significant effect.

02:15:33.000 And also, do you participate in any recovery activities like sauna, which is huge.

02:15:40.000 They did a study out of Finland.

02:15:41.000 Again, I apologize if you've heard this before.

02:15:43.000 It was a 20-year study.

02:15:46.000 They found people who used sauna for four days a week had a 40% decrease in all-cause mortality.

02:15:53.000 All-cause, meaning heart attack, stroke, cancer, you name it.

02:15:58.000 40% decrease just because of the effects of sauna.

02:16:03.000 How did they test that?

02:16:04.000 Like, where's the...

02:16:05.000 What is the term?

02:16:07.000 The something group?

02:16:08.000 Well, this is what they did.

02:16:09.000 They did this randomized control trial, right?

02:16:12.000 So they did this study where they took these people and sauna use in Finland is everywhere.

02:16:19.000 Everybody uses the sauna.

02:16:20.000 And so they did it based on these questionnaires.

02:16:24.000 Do you do the sauna once a week?

02:16:26.000 Do you sauna twice a week?

02:16:27.000 What temperature do you do the sauna?

02:16:29.000 And how long do you do it for?

02:16:31.000 And they determined that the people that did the sauna four times a week, For 20 minutes at 175 degrees, had a 40% decrease in all-cause mortality.

02:16:41.000 Now, when you drop the number of sessions, you also drop the all-cause mortality survival.

02:16:48.000 Got it.

02:16:49.000 So it's like 20% at once a week, 30%.

02:16:53.000 So it's like that.

02:16:54.000 Measurable differences in the amount of people that were healthy and robust who did it four times a week.

02:17:01.000 Yeah.

02:17:03.000 That's interesting because the easiest way to discredit it would be like, well, yeah, the people that do saunas want to increase their life, but what you're saying is there's an increased amount of assistance if you do it more.

02:17:16.000 The benefits are legitimate, real, measurable.

02:17:20.000 It's hermetic stress.

02:17:21.000 It's heat shock proteins your body produces to deal with the fact that you're essentially dying.

02:17:27.000 You can't stay.

02:17:28.000 I do it at 196. You can't stay there very long.

02:17:32.000 I do 25 minutes at 196. Have you ever passed out in it?

02:17:35.000 No.

02:17:36.000 Okay.

02:17:36.000 Is that a thing people do?

02:17:38.000 I don't pass out.

02:17:41.000 Get out the smelling salts.

02:17:43.000 I stay awake.

02:17:45.000 No, you could though.

02:17:47.000 Yeah, I mean, if you are the type of person who passes out, you've got issues.

02:17:50.000 Yeah.

02:17:51.000 Yeah, I think...

02:17:52.000 Some people pass out just from stress.

02:17:54.000 Yeah.

02:17:55.000 I watched a kid black out the other night, one of these school things that my kid had to go to.

02:17:59.000 Really?

02:17:59.000 Some boy fainted on stage.

02:18:01.000 Wow.

02:18:02.000 Yeah, sometimes people just...

02:18:03.000 Sometimes your brain goes, too much!

02:18:06.000 Check, please!

02:18:07.000 Bro, I've seen like...

02:18:09.000 Not passed out, but like...

02:18:11.000 I was having like breathing issues.

02:18:14.000 I didn't understand what the fuck it was.

02:18:15.000 And, like, my wife and I were trying to get pregnant.

02:18:18.000 It was, like, really difficult because my sperm sucks.

02:18:20.000 And I would have, like, I guess it was stress-related.

02:18:24.000 I didn't know what the fuck it was.

02:18:25.000 Like, I went to a doctor and I was like, I feel like I can't catch my breath.

02:18:28.000 And I started doing these, like, it's like a Navy SEAL breathing technique or whatever.

02:18:32.000 Box breathing?

02:18:33.000 Box breathing, yeah.

02:18:34.000 And I would try to do that.

02:18:36.000 I mean, it was so weird.

02:18:37.000 It wouldn't affect me on stage because Once I'm on stage, I'm locked into the performance.

02:18:42.000 And that's how I knew it was all psychological.

02:18:44.000 But when I was off stage, there were times where I'd be at the cellar, and I'd have to leave the cellar, and there's this little park on 6th Avenue that's not even really a park, but there's benches.

02:18:52.000 And I would just sit there, and I would just fucking box-breathe by myself, trying to get a full breath.

02:18:57.000 And I'd go to this doctor, and I was like, what the fuck is it?

02:19:00.000 And it was a stress-induced asphyxiation or something like that.

02:19:04.000 Wow.

02:19:05.000 And I was just so like...

02:19:07.000 What was so stressful to you at that moment?

02:19:09.000 We couldn't get pregnant.

02:19:10.000 I found out my sperm sucked. 0.76

02:19:11.000 Oh, so was that?

02:19:12.000 Yeah.

02:19:13.000 See, that's where HCG comes in, actually, because that's one of those peptides that actually increases your sperm production. 0.79

02:19:21.000 Yeah, well, my sperm wasn't swimming.

02:19:24.000 That was the issue.

02:19:25.000 Gotta get those bitches in the pool. 1.00

02:19:28.000 Cold plunge.

02:19:30.000 That helps, too.

02:19:31.000 That's supposed to be good for your nuts.

02:19:33.000 Bro, I hit up Huberman.

02:19:34.000 Heat's the worst, apparently.

02:19:35.000 They said heat and cold.

02:19:36.000 I hit up Huberman, and I was like, what should I do?

02:19:38.000 And he's like, alright, take these pills.

02:19:39.000 And then the doctors even tell me, they're like, take these pills, and then also...

02:19:45.000 You got lazy jizz, bro.

02:19:46.000 Dude, I got the laziest fucking jizz, bro.

02:19:49.000 No, you just wait for it.

02:19:50.000 I gotta take the pills.

02:19:51.000 They're like, don't drink.

02:19:52.000 I'm like, okay, I'm not gonna drink.

02:19:53.000 They're like, don't smoke.

02:19:53.000 Okay, I'm not gonna smoke.

02:19:54.000 They go, wear baggy underwear.

02:19:56.000 And they're like, ice your balls once a day.

02:19:59.000 Holla! 1.00

02:19:59.000 So I do that for a month. 1.00

02:20:01.000 I go get, or two months, I go get my sperm tested again.

02:20:03.000 It got worse.

02:20:05.000 Really?

02:20:05.000 Yeah.

02:20:06.000 And they're like, we haven't even fucking seen this.

02:20:09.000 And yeah, so we had to do IVF and everything.

02:20:12.000 That's what the special is about.

02:20:13.000 It's just this story of us trying to get pregnant.

02:20:15.000 There was a study, I think it was out of Japan, and what they were doing was they were getting people to cold plunge before exercise.

02:20:25.000 So you cold plunge for three minutes, and then you exercise, and you force your body to heat up while you're working out.

02:20:33.000 Massive increase in testosterone.

02:20:35.000 Interesting.

02:20:35.000 To the point where this one guy, he had...

02:20:39.000 He got his prostate levels checked, and his doctor was like, this is concerning.

02:20:45.000 Like, we want to do this, we want to do that, we want to put you on this and put you on that.

02:20:49.000 And the guy says, you know, this is an article that's available online.

02:20:53.000 This one guy tried this.

02:20:54.000 He goes, okay, well, let me find out what's available online.

02:20:56.000 So he finds out cold plunging, does it, and then...

02:21:01.000 So this is the thing.

02:21:02.000 Japanese cold plunge study often referenced, discussed about...

02:21:05.000 Immersing the wrist in cold water before exercise significantly increased testosterone levels in young Japanese men compared to immersing it after exercise, which suppressed testosterone levels, highlighting the importance of timing when using cold stimulation for potential hormonal benefits.

02:21:21.000 So what this guy did was he plunged, not just the wrist, and then went to the doctor months later, and the doctor thought he was on hormones.

02:21:30.000 The doctor's like, you have 1,100 testosterone.

02:21:33.000 This is crazy.

02:21:34.000 Like, what's going on?

02:21:35.000 And he tells them, I've been cold plunging before I lift weights.

02:21:39.000 And the doctor's like, well, keep fucking doing that.

02:21:42.000 And so I do that now.

02:21:44.000 Really?

02:21:45.000 Yeah, I know a lot of people that do that now.

02:21:46.000 This is how they start their workout.

02:21:48.000 My workout starts with a cold plunge.

02:21:50.000 So my issue wasn't even the T. They were like, yeah, your T levels are good.

02:21:55.000 It's just the swimmers.

02:21:56.000 It was the swimmers and then they were like shaped weird like I mean, it's just like bro.

02:21:59.000 Yeah, it was bro.

02:22:01.000 No, dude, it was I mean it was too funny.

02:22:03.000 I told the guy I mean this is I don't even do this in the special anything but like I They were like the shape is a little off or whatever and I was you're so defensive I go well, maybe when they hit the cup So hard.

02:22:18.000 I'm still trying to like...

02:22:19.000 I got an ego about it.

02:22:20.000 I'm like, bro, you should have seen the way they fucking... 0.86

02:22:23.000 It's a car crash over here.

02:22:25.000 It's coming in at 400 PSI. But it was crazy.

02:22:29.000 Once we got pregnant, it went away.

02:22:31.000 And it was like, immediately went away.

02:22:34.000 I could breathe again.

02:22:35.000 And it wasn't this feeling that I couldn't breathe.

02:22:37.000 It was about catching a full breath.

02:22:40.000 You know when you're like running and at the end of your, you're doing like a hard cardio intensive exercise, this idea like you can't get to 100% in your lungs.

02:22:48.000 And I never had experienced in my life, like I can work pretty hard.

02:22:54.000 Like I feel like maybe that's a competitive advantage of mine.

02:22:56.000 Like I might not be the most skilled in certain things, but like I can go.

02:23:00.000 I have a good motor.

02:23:01.000 I can fucking push it.

02:23:02.000 And it was the first time in my life where like a psychological issue.

02:23:09.000 I didn't know that was possible.

02:23:13.000 I know that's happened to a lot of people I know that got canceled.

02:23:16.000 People that got canceled where they were just overwhelmed, where they couldn't breathe, and they didn't think that they could make it.

02:23:22.000 They were like, I can't do this.

02:23:24.000 Oh, because they were going through that.

02:23:25.000 Yeah, they were going through it, like in the heart of it.

02:23:27.000 And they're like, you got to call up, check up on them, and make sure they're okay.

02:23:31.000 I remember Tony.

02:23:32.000 I remember the fork in the road.

02:23:35.000 I remember the curve I was driving on when I was talking on the phone to Tony when he was going through his first one.

02:23:42.000 And he's like, this is not good, man.

02:23:45.000 I'm not doing good.

02:23:46.000 And I'm like, fuck, man.

02:23:48.000 And that was the moment where I was like, please don't kill yourself.

02:23:52.000 Oh, wow.

02:23:52.000 You're going to get better.

02:23:53.000 You're going to be fine.

02:23:54.000 I didn't say that.

02:23:56.000 But that's what you're thinking.

02:23:57.000 That's what I was thinking.

02:23:58.000 I remember being in my car going, ooh.

02:24:01.000 Like, hearing him on the phone.

02:24:02.000 We were on speakerphone.

02:24:03.000 I was like, fuck, man.

02:24:05.000 Well, yeah, you dedicate your entire life to one thing.

02:24:07.000 But it's also, it's just like feeling like it's over.

02:24:10.000 Everything's over.

02:24:11.000 Your career's over.

02:24:11.000 Your life is over.

02:24:12.000 As you know, one stupid thing, and now it's over forever.

02:24:15.000 And just the...

02:24:17.000 You can't breathe.

02:24:18.000 Yeah.

02:24:18.000 You can't breathe.

02:24:19.000 Yeah, I get it.

02:24:20.000 And, you know, Tony's tough.

02:24:21.000 He's resilient.

02:24:22.000 Yeah.

02:24:22.000 He got through it pretty quick and he was back and then, you know, a couple weeks later he was laughing about it.

02:24:27.000 Yeah.

02:24:27.000 But some people, you know, they get wrecked and they're not the same ever again.

02:24:32.000 I think that does happen to people.

02:24:34.000 And then there's a different version of them afterwards because they don't want to experience that again.

02:24:39.000 It is weird.

02:24:41.000 I'm not as affected by that kind of stuff.

02:24:44.000 Now, maybe I haven't gone through on that level.

02:24:47.000 And I also think there's something about having a kid.

02:24:49.000 I just care less about the very few people I care what they think about me.

02:24:54.000 It's really liberating in a lot of ways.

02:24:58.000 But yeah, there was something about are we not going to be able to get pregnant?

02:25:03.000 And then feeling...

02:25:05.000 You feel horrible.

02:25:06.000 Also, you start going, why would God not want me to have a kid?

02:25:10.000 Did I do something bad?

02:25:11.000 You start thinking if there's some sort of karmic reason for that shit.

02:25:15.000 Also, before, I knew it was me.

02:25:16.000 I don't want to share it with anybody.

02:25:18.000 It's really isolating because I thought it was my wife.

02:25:20.000 Everybody always thinks it's the woman who's got a fucking problem with her eggs or whatever. 1.00

02:25:24.000 That's such a bitch-ass dude thing. 1.00

02:25:26.000 No, that's what we think, because we don't know it could be us.

02:25:30.000 When did you ever, like, every time I looked at my sperm, it was fire.

02:25:32.000 It's an arrogant male thing.

02:25:33.000 It couldn't be me.

02:25:34.000 It can't be me.

02:25:35.000 Look at the amount of fucking jizz I'm producing.

02:25:37.000 Yeah, I'm killing it, right?

02:25:39.000 Killing it.

02:25:39.000 Literally.

02:25:40.000 So, and then you think about it, and I will say this, though, like, finding out that it was me...

02:25:47.000 And being able to, I felt more comfortable talking about it on stage, because now I'm not talking about this incredibly embarrassing thing to this woman who does not want to be in entertainment at all, like the most private person.

02:25:57.000 About me, I was like, oh, I can talk about this a little bit.

02:26:00.000 And being able to talk about it on stage, and I would talk about it on stage, and there would be these dudes that would come up to me after shows, and they wouldn't admit they were going through it, but they'd be like, yo, that was really funny, bro.

02:26:09.000 Like, yeah, you should keep talking about that shit.

02:26:11.000 And then...

02:26:12.000 I would, like, talk about it on tour, and I'd get these fucking DMs, and, like, all these people would start telling me that they're going through IVF, and, like, even close friends started to be like, yo, actually, that's how we got pregnant.

02:26:24.000 And I didn't realize it was this, this, like, almost, like, last taboo thing where there's this incredible isolation in it because you don't want to feel the judgment.

02:26:34.000 There's all this pressure to obviously have a family.

02:26:35.000 You don't want to feel like you're the person that's, like, stopping that.

02:26:39.000 But...

02:26:39.000 I didn't realize, and I'm 40, so a lot of older people are probably going through this.

02:26:42.000 Maybe young people are not, but everybody in my immediate circle going through this shit.

02:26:48.000 Let me ask you this.

02:26:49.000 First of all, when did IVF become available to people?

02:26:55.000 And how many people a year do you think use IVF? And if they didn't, how many less people would there be on Earth?

02:27:02.000 Brother, brother, brother.

02:27:04.000 There were three things when I talked to Trump that I wanted to ask him about specifically.

02:27:08.000 And one of them was securing IVF. Because I know a lot of people who are against abortion also look at IVF and like, okay, you're throwing out embryos, you're killing people or potential people, and they want to use the anti-abortion argument to get rid of IVF. Really?

02:27:25.000 Is that a thing?

02:27:26.000 Yeah, of course.

02:27:26.000 It's happening now.

02:27:27.000 And what Trump said on the pod...

02:27:29.000 Who's trying to ban that?

02:27:32.000 I guess we could look that up.

02:27:33.000 I think that it was in, there's a few states that it was happening in.

02:27:36.000 That seems insane.

02:27:38.000 Yeah.

02:27:38.000 Why would you not want more people?

02:27:39.000 Well, they look at it as killing people because life starts at conception and the embryo is essentially conception.

02:27:45.000 Which, like, I understand your logic.

02:27:47.000 I don't disagree with the logic behind that.

02:27:50.000 But at the same time, that is the way that, the only way some people can get pregnant. 0.99

02:27:57.000 There it is.

02:27:58.000 Senate Republicans block IVF bill as Democrats elevate issue ahead of November election.

02:28:03.000 But what I'll say is Trump said that they're going to back it with the full power of the Republican Party and that anybody that goes against it that they would campaign against.

02:28:11.000 And then he even signed that executive order to expand it.

02:28:14.000 He wants to expand access to it.

02:28:15.000 Oh, that's great.

02:28:16.000 Which is fucking, yeah, it's incredible.

02:28:17.000 Well, for people that want to be parents, man.

02:28:19.000 I know quite a few people like yourself.

02:28:21.000 They wanted to be parents so bad, and that gave them the ability, and now they're so happy.

02:28:24.000 And it's the most incredible thing in the world.

02:28:26.000 Yeah, and if they don't do that, guess what?

02:28:28.000 There's no babies.

02:28:28.000 No babies.

02:28:29.000 It's like more life will occur if you allow this.

02:28:32.000 Also, we've got to deal with the downstream.

02:28:34.000 I'm sure some of this shit is probably...

02:28:36.000 Me, it just might be genetic.

02:28:37.000 I don't fucking know.

02:28:38.000 But maybe it's microplastics all in my balls.

02:28:40.000 Maybe it's my phone.

02:28:42.000 There's a lot of things that are not in our control that are negatively impacting us.

02:28:45.000 And then to restrict our ability to have a family, I feel like it's kind of unfair.

02:28:51.000 Bestowed this thing upon me.

02:28:53.000 It has affected our ability or some woman's ability to conceive. 0.99

02:28:56.000 I wonder if it's more prevalent, the issue or the necessity of it, with people that live in cities.

02:29:01.000 Oh, dude.

02:29:02.000 Every time a car breaks, the amount of microplastics that go into the world are way more than using a plastic bottle to drink out of.

02:29:10.000 Yeah, brake dust.

02:29:11.000 Yeah.

02:29:11.000 Yeah, it's particulates.

02:29:12.000 Absolutely.

02:29:13.000 That's the shit that you wipe off your wheels when you clean your car?

02:29:15.000 No.

02:29:16.000 That stuff's in the air.

02:29:17.000 You never wash your car?

02:29:18.000 Nope.

02:29:18.000 Jesus Christ.

02:29:19.000 Yeah.

02:29:20.000 I mean, I didn't have a car until like a year ago.

02:29:21.000 What do you got now?

02:29:22.000 Got anything good?

02:29:23.000 No, nothing.

02:29:24.000 Well, I got a fun one.

02:29:25.000 I got a really...

02:29:25.000 I got a Suzuki Samurai.

02:29:27.000 Ooh.

02:29:27.000 It's the coolest fucking car on the planet.

02:29:29.000 Those are fun.

02:29:29.000 They're so cool.

02:29:30.000 It was...

02:29:31.000 Yeah, it was sick.

02:29:31.000 That's a good car to park in the city, too.

02:29:33.000 You don't give a fuck what happens to that thing.

02:29:34.000 Well, I got it out in the Hamptons, but yeah.

02:29:36.000 What year is it?

02:29:36.000 It's a...

02:29:37.000 87?

02:29:39.000 That's such a piece of shit.

02:29:40.000 Oh, it's a piece of shit, but it is like...

02:29:43.000 It's also just so fun.

02:29:45.000 I'm not trying to compete with you on having a fancy car or whatever like that.

02:29:47.000 I just love how fucking rugged...

02:29:49.000 I don't care.

02:29:49.000 I throw shit in the back.

02:29:51.000 You know the good shit.

02:29:53.000 Yeah, you gotta learn the appreciation of cars.

02:29:56.000 I got my...

02:29:57.000 Yeah, there it is.

02:29:58.000 Oh, they're the boys!

02:29:59.000 Look at that thing! 0.99

02:30:00.000 Look at the boys!

02:30:00.000 Yeah, that thing's fun.

02:30:02.000 Oh, yeah, look at these guys.

02:30:03.000 What a cute little car.

02:30:04.000 Isn't it adorable?

02:30:05.000 I wouldn't take that thing around the block.

02:30:06.000 But, wait, you're saying you wouldn't get in that car with six guys?

02:30:09.000 I'd go with you guys.

02:30:10.000 Yeah, I'd go with you guys.

02:30:12.000 Shouldn't that be on the cover of every gay magazine?

02:30:13.000 It should be.

02:30:16.000 Like, if you take this pill, this is what you'll have.

02:30:18.000 You'll have fun with your friends on the beach with a Suzuki Samurai. 0.98

02:30:22.000 It's so much fun.

02:30:23.000 And they're reliable as fuck.

02:30:24.000 That's the thing about them.

02:30:25.000 Every Japanese car is reliable.

02:30:26.000 Yes.

02:30:26.000 They're the best.

02:30:27.000 That's the thing about Japanese culture, is that it's refinement culture.

02:30:31.000 So there's this Japanese DJ I saw.

02:30:35.000 His name is Yosuke Yukimatsu.

02:30:38.000 He had brain cancer, and then he thought he was going to die, so he was like, fucking, I'm going to be a DJ with the time I got left.

02:30:44.000 And it went into remission, but he basically quit his construction job.

02:30:47.000 He just did this boiler room set, and it is just like...

02:30:50.000 I could be, like, putting this energy on it because I want to believe it or whatever, but the intensity of it is this is my shot and I'm going to be unrelenting, right?

02:31:00.000 And the second I saw that he's Japanese, maybe this is my, like, this is the guy.

02:31:04.000 Look at him go.

02:31:05.000 But can you, like, can you, look at this motherfucker.

02:31:10.000 A Japanese person being a DJ, before I even listened to the set, I was like, oh, this is going to be the best set I've ever heard.

02:31:16.000 Because they would never put themselves out there.

02:31:20.000 And do it half-assed.

02:31:22.000 Like, every 30-year-old model in America is like, I'll be a DJ now. 0.96

02:31:24.000 But in Japan, the culture is so, like, don't bring shame upon your family.

02:31:28.000 Don't bring attention to yourself unless you are the greatest.

02:31:32.000 Do you know the term kaizen?

02:31:34.000 Do you know what that means?

02:31:34.000 No, what is that?

02:31:35.000 Kaizen is a Japanese term for taking a thing and continuing to refine it until it reaches perfection.

02:31:47.000 So...

02:31:47.000 Japanese, first of all, supercars were always Italian.

02:31:53.000 It was always German, Porsche, Ferrari, that kind of shit. 0.79

02:31:59.000 And then Nissan created a car that destroyed everybody.

02:32:04.000 What was it?

02:32:04.000 The GTR. So the Nissan GTR, they've essentially been making the same exact car, just refining it for like 20 years.

02:32:14.000 I have a 2024 Nissan GTR Nismo, which is their race package one, which is the most refined version of the GTR they've ever...

02:32:25.000 And it's a fucking marvel of engineering and refinement.

02:32:31.000 That fucking car is magical.

02:32:33.000 It's just glued to the road.

02:32:35.000 You ever seen one?

02:32:36.000 No, show me.

02:32:37.000 Pull up a black Nissan 2024 GTR Nismo.

02:32:43.000 But culturally, they can't put out shit.

02:32:45.000 It's shameful to put out shit.

02:32:46.000 Right.

02:32:47.000 And I feel like they're almost done refining their culture, and now they're tapping into other things.

02:32:51.000 That's what it looks like.

02:32:53.000 Oh, wow.

02:32:54.000 It's a spaceship.

02:32:55.000 That's a Nismo 300. That's mine.

02:32:58.000 That's my car right there.

02:32:59.000 What is that Nissan Z300 or something like that?

02:33:03.000 This came out when I was in college.

02:33:05.000 Yeah, 340Z. There's a bunch of those. 0.92

02:33:07.000 But that's the GTR. That thing, it's just, you're on a ride.

02:33:15.000 You're riding a ride everywhere.

02:33:17.000 It whirs and clinks and clunks.

02:33:22.000 It's so fun.

02:33:23.000 That's a different one.

02:33:23.000 That's a 300Z. A 370Z. That's pretty sick, too, though.

02:33:27.000 That looks good.

02:33:28.000 But there's, like, a whole culture of taking these things.

02:33:31.000 Like, there's guys that make these things.

02:33:32.000 They jack them up to 2,000 horsepower.

02:33:34.000 And they spit fire out of the back of them.

02:33:36.000 But they do it with pizza.

02:33:38.000 Like, the best pizza I've ever had, and I'm from New York City, is in Tokyo.

02:33:41.000 Really?

02:33:42.000 The best pizza you've ever had?

02:33:44.000 Best pizza I've ever had is in Tokyo.

02:33:44.000 I forget the name of the place.

02:33:46.000 Wow.

02:33:46.000 But my wife and I were in Tokyo, and...

02:33:49.000 But it was the best steak I've ever had is in Tokyo.

02:33:52.000 Really?

02:33:53.000 And it's something about, like, doing something half-assed, I think, is shameful.

02:33:57.000 And there's this great honor in, like, this refinement process.

02:34:01.000 Now, there is a social cost to that.

02:34:04.000 There's a rigidity, meaning, like, it's very...

02:34:08.000 Here's a perfect example.

02:34:09.000 Like, the oldest hotel in the world, I think, is this hotel in Japan.

02:34:11.000 It's, like, started in 703, the year 703. Whoa.

02:34:14.000 Oh, I've seen that.

02:34:16.000 Yeah.

02:34:16.000 And it's been owned by the same family for 52 generations.

02:34:19.000 Right.

02:34:20.000 Which is like an unbelievable feat when you think about like American families or British families that like have gotten rich and then three generations they've squandered it all.

02:34:29.000 Like really successful families.

02:34:31.000 It's all been destroyed.

02:34:33.000 And there is this thing in I think Japanese culture which is like there's this great honor in taking on the tradition of your family.

02:34:40.000 The cost of that is there was probably a comedian.

02:34:43.000 Or a chef or somebody in that line that didn't do the thing that they really were passionate about to honor their family.

02:34:51.000 But the societal benefit is probably the majority of people don't have those dreams.

02:34:56.000 And having purpose in this job is probably better for them.

02:35:01.000 And I think there's a middle ground where you can still go dream and do these things.

02:35:06.000 But also we have some respect for...

02:35:09.000 Being a cobbler when your dad was a cobbler and his dad was a cobbler.

02:35:12.000 I feel like we've lost that a little bit in, like, American dream culture, where it's like, if you don't go out and achieve your craziest dream...

02:35:18.000 Some people don't have that dream, but taking over their dad's business is something that they can feel good about and honor instead of, like...

02:35:24.000 Oh, yeah.

02:35:25.000 So I just took over the family business.

02:35:26.000 Well, doing a good job at anything, there's a lot of value in that for everybody.

02:35:30.000 If you love making shoes and you become a cobbler and you make awesome shoes and you got like Andrew shows up, bro, those shoes are sick.

02:35:38.000 I love them.

02:35:39.000 I want another pair, but could you make them in crocodile?

02:35:41.000 Yeah.

02:35:41.000 Oh, let's go.

02:35:42.000 Yeah.

02:35:43.000 Yeah, it's exciting.

02:35:44.000 Like making things and having relationships with the people you sell them to, that's super rewarding.

02:35:49.000 We do.

02:35:50.000 Chase that big dream over in America and make it seem like everybody has to have it.

02:35:54.000 But the dream of making cabinets that are awesome is a pretty fucking cool dream.

02:35:58.000 Yeah, the dream of being a painter is a pretty cool dream.

02:36:01.000 There's a lot of dreams that don't get the value added to them because of fame.

02:36:07.000 We have this weird thing about fame above all in this country.

02:36:12.000 Fame above all?

02:36:14.000 Like moms?

02:36:14.000 Being a mom isn't really valued?

02:36:16.000 Oh, yeah.

02:36:18.000 I think it's a real problem.

02:36:19.000 I think that—and it's not all places.

02:36:22.000 I'm sure there are places that are more family-oriented where being a mom is an honored, respected thing.

02:36:27.000 A lot out here, man.

02:36:28.000 I love that.

02:36:29.000 In New York, it's not that.

02:36:31.000 Right.

02:36:31.000 Nor is it in L.A. In L.A., a lot of the moms have jobs, too.

02:36:34.000 They have careers.

02:36:35.000 They don't want to abandon their career.

02:36:36.000 They might shame those moms that decide to stay home and take care of their kids. 1.00

02:36:40.000 Oh, yeah?

02:36:41.000 Yeah, I don't think that that's—it would be great if there was less rigidity and there was a lot of honor in that.

02:36:47.000 And it was something we really respected.

02:36:49.000 Because I know in New York, even my wife, like my wife is like, you know, she got her fucking MBA. She was working for Apple and AI projects. 0.92

02:36:54.000 And then she goes, that's my dream to be a mom.

02:36:57.000 And I feel societal scrutiny about it, but I don't fucking care because I want to be a mom.

02:37:02.000 You know who really gets the scrutiny?

02:37:04.000 Stay at home dads.

02:37:06.000 That shit's gay. 1.00

02:37:07.000 You're trying to lip pill me, Joe.

02:37:20.000 What the fuck?

02:37:21.000 I want to see where you would go with it.

02:37:24.000 I fed you one of them little racquetball balls.

02:37:27.000 The paddle.

02:37:28.000 Paddle.

02:37:29.000 Paddle ball.

02:37:29.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:37:30.000 I fed you one of those half-filled tennis balls and you fucking shoved it down my throat. 1.00

02:37:38.000 But yeah, that is the weird thing.

02:37:40.000 It's like...

02:37:41.000 I know.

02:37:42.000 As well as a male, you feel a real strong pull to be a provider.

02:37:46.000 We do!

02:37:47.000 It feels very important.

02:37:48.000 As you become a father and you raise children, it really gets instilled on you.

02:37:55.000 I always had a really good work ethic, but becoming a father made me have a much stronger work ethic.

02:38:03.000 If I was a single man with no responsibilities, who knows if I would work as hard?

02:38:07.000 Who knows if I would take days off?

02:38:09.000 I would fuck off.

02:38:10.000 My friends are like, hey, let's go bow hunting in Argentina.

02:38:13.000 I'm like, yeah, I'll take the day off.

02:38:14.000 Fuck it.

02:38:14.000 The biggest lie about having kids is that you won't be able to provide for them.

02:38:20.000 I think a lot of people go, oh, I just need to get my life ready to do it.

02:38:23.000 It's like, oh, no, no, no.

02:38:24.000 That's gonna put a battery in your back like you wouldn't fucking believe.

02:38:27.000 Hopefully.

02:38:28.000 It's very sad when it doesn't.

02:38:29.000 I've met men...

02:38:30.000 Those people shouldn't have kids. 1.00

02:38:31.000 Yeah, I've met men where they keep doing the same thing even after they have children and you're like, oh my god, dude, you can't do this.

02:38:39.000 Do they want to have them?

02:38:40.000 Who knows?

02:38:41.000 Who knows if people want or if they think they want and then they have and then they don't change.

02:38:47.000 You know, Louis C.K. said something...

02:38:49.000 Really cool once to me is like when you have children, it's like you just gotta let it change you.

02:38:54.000 Just let it change you.

02:38:56.000 Don't hold on to who you think you are and what you think your identity is.

02:39:01.000 Just let it transform you.

02:39:03.000 Adjust.

02:39:04.000 Because everybody adjusts.

02:39:05.000 The mom adjusts.

02:39:06.000 Now it's not your girlfriend anymore.

02:39:08.000 It's not your wife anymore. 1.00

02:39:09.000 Now it's a mother.

02:39:11.000 She has a child.

02:39:12.000 She made a human being in her body.

02:39:14.000 It's very vulnerable and she loves it more than anything in this world.

02:39:17.000 And it's this It's a crazy experience that if you don't have and you're on the outside, you look at it as like, oh, that responsibility.

02:39:25.000 Oh, fuck that.

02:39:26.000 Oh, you're tied down.

02:39:27.000 Oh, you got kids now.

02:39:29.000 But it's another level of understanding what life really is.

02:39:35.000 Because it's this constant cycle of new people entering into the world and eventually you will leave this world.

02:39:40.000 And hopefully you will leave this world better because you were here.

02:39:43.000 Amen.

02:39:44.000 Yeah.

02:39:45.000 That's true.

02:39:46.000 Yeah, it's the coolest thing that's ever happened to me and absolutely has transformed me.

02:39:51.000 I was super excited when you become a dad.

02:39:53.000 Man.

02:39:54.000 Because I knew you were all in on everything you do, you know, so you'd be all in on being a dad too, which is so important.

02:40:01.000 It's just so important, like, it's so weird.

02:40:05.000 You're making a life.

02:40:07.000 A human being comes into this world that didn't exist before you and your wife had sex. 0.97

02:40:11.000 And now there's a human being that's talking to you and you're teaching them stuff.

02:40:16.000 They learn things.

02:40:16.000 You get to see them laugh and giggle.

02:40:18.000 You get to see them open up Christmas presents and screech at excitement.

02:40:22.000 Oh, my God.

02:40:24.000 All the happiness that you get from other things just doesn't compare.

02:40:28.000 Pales in comparison.

02:40:29.000 Yeah, it's a different happiness.

02:40:31.000 It's a totally different happiness.

02:40:33.000 And it's also, it's like an understanding of life itself.

02:40:37.000 I've talked about this before, but I changed the way I think about people.

02:40:41.000 You told me this.

02:40:42.000 I think about everybody as a baby now.

02:40:45.000 Everybody's a baby that became a 60-year-old man with a big old wino nose, you know, when they get those big, crazy fucking gin blossom faces.

02:40:53.000 Yeah.

02:40:53.000 Like priests.

02:40:54.000 Yep.

02:40:55.000 And, you know, I realized, like, oh, this is just, this is this entity at this stage of its journey.

02:41:02.000 It used to be a baby.

02:41:03.000 They used to be someone's cute little baby boy with a little bow tie on.

02:41:07.000 Everybody thought it was so cute, took a picture of him.

02:41:09.000 Now here he is, bad breath and farting.

02:41:13.000 Big old pot belly, hating life, smoking Paul Malls. 0.98

02:41:17.000 Yeah, he had a lot of hope at one point.

02:41:18.000 That was a baby, yeah.

02:41:19.000 And you have a lot of hope, but what is the impediment to you achieving a fulfilled life?

02:41:27.000 And so many people don't even know where to start or where to begin or what to do.

02:41:32.000 Which way to go?

02:41:34.000 And if you haven't been trusting your instincts in your life and you haven't been taking chances, then all of a sudden you have to take one at like 35. It's hard, man.

02:41:42.000 It's hard.

02:41:43.000 That's a muscle you build like endurance.

02:41:46.000 You build the muscle of being able to take chances and do difficult things.

02:41:50.000 You build that like all other muscles, all other strengths and virtues that you have.

02:41:56.000 It's reinforced with use.

02:41:58.000 Yeah, every risk you take that is successful.

02:42:01.000 You get a little bit more confidence in taking those risks.

02:42:04.000 Also, you understand what's required to make this venture successful.

02:42:08.000 You'd have to look at it correctly.

02:42:09.000 You can't be delusional.

02:42:11.000 You have to be objective, and you have to do what actually needs to be done.

02:42:15.000 And some people don't like that responsibility.

02:42:18.000 It's terrifying.

02:42:20.000 And so they've sabotaged themselves.

02:42:21.000 They've sabotaged their life because it's easier to fail because you're used to it.

02:42:25.000 Yeah.

02:42:25.000 So you fall right back into it.

02:42:27.000 I'll pick myself back up again.

02:42:28.000 But right now, I'm on the heroin again for a little bit.

02:42:31.000 Yeah.

02:42:32.000 That is the cool thing about...

02:42:34.000 Well, yeah.

02:42:35.000 I mean, failure is not an option once you have a kid.

02:42:39.000 No.

02:42:40.000 You have to figure it out.

02:42:41.000 Yeah, you have to figure it out.

02:42:43.000 Also, you want the world to be a safer place because you have very vulnerable little people.

02:42:46.000 Yeah, you relate.

02:42:46.000 It's a...

02:42:48.000 You just become like a real human being.

02:42:51.000 It's interesting when I hear people that don't have kids kind of complain about the world and I'm like, oh, you actually don't really understand how high the stakes get.

02:42:59.000 The way that I relate to every bit of stimulus has completely changed.

02:43:05.000 It's heightened and reduced.

02:43:06.000 The little frivolous shit, I do not give a flying fuck about.

02:43:10.000 I really don't care.

02:43:11.000 And then the big ticket things, I care deeply about.

02:43:15.000 How could they impact my kid?

02:43:17.000 It's very easy for people to, even with the vaccine shit, it's very easy for people who don't have kids to tell you, oh, just trust the doctors or whatever.

02:43:25.000 The second you have a kid, it is probably the most terrifying thing you'll ever do in your entire life is injecting something into the most perfect thing you've ever created and then every single day wondering and seeing if she's still smiling and seeing if she's still okay and feeling responsible if anything negative happens.

02:43:45.000 And then if you don't do it, Feeling responsible if she got fucking the measles or mumps or whatever the fuck it is.

02:43:52.000 I have so much more empathy.

02:43:55.000 And it's something that people just can't understand because they're not put in that position.

02:43:59.000 And every new parent that I talk to is concerned about this shit.

02:44:02.000 Every single one.

02:44:03.000 So it's like, you have to have a little empathy.

02:44:06.000 Like, you've created the most perfect thing you could ever imagine.

02:44:09.000 Like, nothing comes as close to that.

02:44:11.000 Every decision you make could greatly impact that person's life.

02:44:15.000 So, yeah, we're going to be scared if we watch a fucking video on the internet that says this thing is bad for them.

02:44:20.000 And don't call us some fucking quacks.

02:44:22.000 Just call us parents who care for our fucking kids.

02:44:25.000 Well, there's a lot of people that want to cover up for their own actions, like what they've done.

02:44:31.000 The people that want to say, like, all this is exaggerated.

02:44:34.000 There are no vaccine injuries.

02:44:35.000 This could have happened to my child.

02:44:36.000 It probably was going to happen anyway.

02:44:39.000 It was going to happen anyway.

02:44:39.000 And you want to really believe that, too.

02:44:41.000 Of course you do, because you don't want to feel like it's your responsibility.

02:44:43.000 Also, you don't want to believe that pharmaceutical drug companies are willing to sell you things that are going to harm your child.

02:44:50.000 And they are.

02:44:51.000 They are.

02:44:52.000 They always have been.

02:44:53.000 They always will be.

02:44:54.000 Their publicly traded companies have responsibility to their shareholders to make as much money as possible.

02:44:58.000 And the money people are going to push a bunch of shit through that probably shouldn't go through.

02:45:03.000 And they'll tell you you need it like like when they were vaccinating kids with covid.

02:45:07.000 There is no reason to do that.

02:45:09.000 They knew there was no reason to do that, but they wanted everybody to take it because that's where the money is.

02:45:13.000 And that's a scary thought that we live in a world that there's people out there that would literally sacrifice the health of children for profit.

02:45:20.000 But ultimately, that's that's what they do.

02:45:22.000 That's I mean, that's a thing that's been done.

02:45:25.000 It will continue to be done unless something happens.

02:45:27.000 Who are the people that do that?

02:45:28.000 Why are they not named?

02:45:29.000 Look at the Sackler family.

02:45:30.000 Look at those people.

02:45:31.000 So it's like, we know one name.

02:45:32.000 We know the Sacklers. 0.97

02:45:33.000 And we don't even know their first name.

02:45:35.000 Well, you might, but the average person doesn't.

02:45:37.000 I think that it'd be a lot different if these people's names were public record.

02:45:42.000 It would be a lot different if they went to jail.

02:45:44.000 That's the thing.

02:45:44.000 They'd just get fined.

02:45:45.000 They'll get manjoneed.

02:45:47.000 Yeah.

02:45:47.000 That would happen.

02:45:48.000 Right.

02:45:49.000 That would happen immediately.

02:45:50.000 That's a new thing.

02:45:50.000 That's a verb.

02:45:51.000 They're gonna get that Luigi treatment immediately.

02:45:54.000 It will be that way.

02:45:55.000 People don't fuck around with their kids, man.

02:45:57.000 It's a different...

02:45:58.000 Luigi was wearing loafers with his ankle handcuffs and he was in a trial and he looked so beautiful.

02:46:05.000 He's a handsome guy.

02:46:06.000 My wife and my daughters are like, he's adorable.

02:46:09.000 Look at him here.

02:46:09.000 He's so beautiful.

02:46:11.000 He's so handsome.

02:46:12.000 Like a supermodel. 0.95

02:46:13.000 I think he did porn or maybe that was just a headline that I saw.

02:46:17.000 but whatever but it's crazy though the assassin is a good-looking guy becomes a hero Like, if he was an ugly fat guy with a MAGA hat on, everybody would want him dead.

02:46:30.000 Look at him.

02:46:31.000 Wow, look at those brows.

02:46:32.000 Beautiful.

02:46:33.000 He's wearing a bulletproof vest, too.

02:46:34.000 Isn't that wild?

02:46:35.000 Yeah.

02:46:37.000 But he's got, like, a mental health problem.

02:46:40.000 Yeah.

02:46:40.000 Apparently.

02:46:41.000 And someone said that he took acid and cracked.

02:46:44.000 Yeah.

02:46:44.000 I heard that.

02:46:45.000 But who knows how much of that...

02:46:47.000 We'll find out when the trial happens what the lore is, but, you know...

02:46:51.000 A broken clock is right two times a day, though.

02:46:54.000 It was real weird when people were like, yeah, more of that, please.

02:46:59.000 To me, that's just desperation, and you get to see it manifested.

02:47:03.000 It's like, if you're like a really, really, really, really, really rich person with power, you want to make sure the poorest people have enough to survive.

02:47:13.000 The second they don't feel like they have hope and they don't feel like they have enough to survive, they start storming your estate.

02:47:20.000 Well, especially when you talk about health care, because there's people whose job is to deny people health care that deserve it.

02:47:28.000 Because that's how they save money.

02:47:30.000 That's crazy to think of.

02:47:33.000 I mean, what is the alternative?

02:47:35.000 Socialized medicine?

02:47:36.000 The problem with that is it doesn't incentivize doctors to be the best.

02:47:39.000 I want my doctor to drive a fucking Porsche.

02:47:41.000 I want my doctor to have a 911 turbo and a nice watch.

02:47:45.000 No, you're right, because you want the smartest people to be the doctors.

02:47:47.000 You don't want them running hedge funds.

02:47:49.000 Right.

02:47:49.000 Like, there's a lot of probably really smart people running hedge funds.

02:47:51.000 I don't want them doing that shit.

02:47:52.000 I want them fixing diseases. 0.81

02:47:54.000 And if there's not enough money in it, yeah, they're going to go to the hedge fund shit, which is meaningless.

02:48:00.000 So it's like, it is a tricky problem.

02:48:03.000 How do you create a system that incentivizes the most brilliant people to be in positions where they help us all?

02:48:09.000 But how do you make sure that the nefarious actors...

02:48:12.000 Are not finding ways to squeeze probably the most vulnerable.

02:48:15.000 How do we eliminate nefarious actors from the world?

02:48:18.000 Or do we ever?

02:48:19.000 You can't.

02:48:20.000 You can't.

02:48:21.000 They're there, and they will pop into these positions.

02:48:25.000 And I think they're there also to help you appreciate non-nefarious people.

02:48:30.000 Yeah, like we wouldn't know good unless there is bad.

02:48:33.000 Yeah, that's real.

02:48:35.000 That's a good perspective to have on bad.

02:48:37.000 That's the good and evil struggle forever.

02:48:39.000 That's the yin and the yang.

02:48:41.000 That's it all.

02:48:42.000 It's like that's how the world moves forward.

02:48:44.000 That's how it advances.

02:48:45.000 It protects itself against evil.

02:48:47.000 And then evil tries to find ways through the fucking cracks.

02:48:49.000 They develop better antivirus software.

02:48:55.000 It's a simulation.

02:48:57.000 A little bit, man.

02:48:58.000 It might be.

02:48:59.000 It's gonna be, so maybe it already is.

02:49:02.000 And maybe it always was.

02:49:03.000 Maybe it always was.

02:49:04.000 And if it's a simulation once, it can be a simulation twice.

02:49:08.000 So if we can create the simulation, and we were created as a simulation, that means that...

02:49:15.000 We could be like the 20th version of it.

02:49:18.000 And we're probably about to create a way better one with AI. That's probably what AI is.

02:49:23.000 AI is probably the god of the simulation.

02:49:26.000 We probably lock that motherfucker in, turn it on, then it figures out how to do everything.

02:49:30.000 Do you have any concern about AI? Oh, yeah.

02:49:33.000 Yeah.

02:49:33.000 Yeah, Elon said there's a 20% chance everything goes sideways, but an 80% chance it's an overall net good for humanity.

02:49:39.000 But 20% chance, like, we're fucked.

02:49:41.000 That's a high number.

02:49:42.000 That's not a good number.

02:49:43.000 That's a high number.

02:49:44.000 I don't like that if I'm playing Russian roulette and I got Ted Chambers and I spin that bitch. 1.00

02:49:48.000 I don't like there's two bullets in there.

02:49:50.000 Yeah.

02:49:51.000 I don't like that.

02:49:52.000 That makes me nervous.

02:49:53.000 But I also think you've got a lot of really good, smart people trying to make sure that, at the very least, the people here invent it before the people in China, which I think is probably important.

02:50:07.000 Whoever launches the god first is going to be in charge of a lot of stuff.

02:50:13.000 Yeah.

02:50:13.000 It's gonna get fucking very strange, Andrew Schultz.

02:50:17.000 It's already very strange, but it's gonna get even stranger.

02:50:20.000 We'll be here to enjoy it.

02:50:22.000 Yes, sir.

02:50:23.000 We'll be making fun of it.

02:50:24.000 My brother, it's always a good time to sit with you.

02:50:26.000 I love you, dog.

02:50:26.000 Thank you.

02:50:26.000 I love you to death.

02:50:27.000 You're the best.

02:50:28.000 You are.

02:50:29.000 Tell everybody what's going on.

02:50:31.000 Oh, Life is on Netflix right now.

02:50:33.000 Right now.

02:50:33.000 So go check it out, man.

02:50:34.000 And yeah, go check it out.

02:50:36.000 Also go check out Derek Poston's...

02:50:38.000 Look at that stash, son.

02:50:40.000 Yeah.

02:50:41.000 So I think today we're number two.

02:50:44.000 Maybe after this we beat Kate Hudson. 0.95

02:50:46.000 Kate Hudson got me, man.

02:50:49.000 What day does Derek's come out?

02:50:51.000 April 19th?

02:50:52.000 April, I think 16th.

02:50:53.000 16th.

02:50:54.000 Yeah, so make sure you check that out.

02:50:55.000 I gotta get him in here.

02:50:56.000 Oh yeah, he's just the fuck.

02:50:57.000 Bro, he was killing us last night.

02:50:58.000 He said that the greatest art ever created is Harry Potter.

02:51:04.000 And we go like...

02:51:06.000 Better than...

02:51:07.000 He goes, yes, if it's the most consumed, it's the best.

02:51:09.000 And we're like, what about the Bible?

02:51:10.000 He goes, ain't nobody read that shit.

02:51:15.000 He goes, ain't nobody read that shit.

02:51:18.000 He goes, you might have read like part of it, but you didn't read the whole Bible.

02:51:23.000 He goes, nobody's stopping at book three.

02:51:26.000 Bro, he was cooking last night.

02:51:28.000 But yo, go check out his Don't Tell comedy.

02:51:30.000 He's very funny.

02:51:31.000 And a great person.

02:51:32.000 Absolutely.

02:51:33.000 Alright, I love you, brother.

02:51:33.000 Love you, dog.

02:51:34.000 Peace.

The Joe Rogan Experience - March 06, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2285 - Andrew Schulz

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