The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

00:00:13.000 You just said something that's, like, very important.

00:00:16.000 You can't be dogmatic when you talk about vaccines.

00:00:19.000 Or about anything.

00:00:21.000 Yes, it is good to keep an open mind, isn't it, and be flexible and look at a 360-degree view of things rather than your tunnel vision and what you're indoctrinated into, isn't it?

00:00:31.000 Yeah, and especially if you know that that indoctrination has been on purpose and profitable.

00:00:40.000 One of the great things about your book is, first of all, your book's called Dissolving Illusions.

00:00:45.000 I know I've talked about it on the podcast a bunch of times.

00:00:49.000 You also highlight a lot of things that we know are beneficial that somehow or another get lumped into nonsense.

00:00:58.000 Like even cinnamon.

00:01:00.000 Yeah. Cinnamon is a powerful...

00:01:04.000 Herb, actually, and it's known to be helpful in glucose handling for a lot of diabetics taking it in capsule form now.

00:01:11.000 I noticed at the end of my nephrology career that a lot of my own patients were taking cinnamon capsules, but it also has a lot of vitamin C in it, and I think that was probably one of the keys, a lot of those old remedies that we wrote about.

00:01:25.000 The magic in them probably was the vitamin C in them.

00:01:27.000 I dismissed all that stuff as total nonsense.

00:01:30.000 I was like, oh, that's hippie nonsense, like echinacea, like get out of here. 0.99

00:01:34.000 It's hippie nonsense. 0.98

00:01:35.000 Garlic, come on, get out of here. 1.00

00:01:37.000 But then the more I've read things, especially like garlic is incredible for staph infections for some reason.

00:01:45.000 It is.

00:01:45.000 And it doesn't develop drug resistance like a lot of the drugs that are engineered for it.

00:01:51.000 Yeah, the hippies seem to have got it right, I think.

00:01:54.000 Well, that whole idea of natural remedies is so just universally dismissed by non-silly people.

00:02:04.000 When you say natural remedies, that's great. 1.00

00:02:07.000 If you have a heart attack, go to a doctor, stupid. 1.00

00:02:09.000 That's generally people's appeal to authority. 1.00

00:02:12.000 Right. But the doctor should be recommending those things too.

00:02:16.000 Like, they're good, too.

00:02:18.000 Like, vitamin D, super important.

00:02:21.000 You know, vitamin A, super important.

00:02:23.000 And one of the things that you talked about in the book is that I think this is really important.

00:02:29.000 When you're talking about the measles vaccine, you were saying that either if you get an infection with measles, just a natural infection, or if you get the vaccine.

00:02:39.000 You're still going to get depleted of vitamin A. Like, if you get vaccinated for the measles, you should be taking vitamin A as well.

00:02:46.000 Your body's going to get depleted just by getting that shot.

00:02:49.000 They don't tell you that.

00:02:50.000 No, they don't tell you anything.

00:02:52.000 Just Tylenol, which actually makes the vaccine not work as well, in addition to causing all kinds of immunological disturbances at the time that you're supposed to be upregulating your immune system against this dreaded disease.

00:03:04.000 Yeah, but one of the things about the recommended by the white coats and the authorities...

00:03:09.000 The public believes that so many drugs and remedies are standardized that the conventional medical system gives out.

00:03:18.000 And when you go to actually look at them, and this includes vaccines, even though they're standardized, meaning that the manufacturers are told...

00:03:26.000 What the regulations should be in terms of production.

00:03:29.000 When people go and look at them, they find it's anything but standardized.

00:03:32.000 It's very variable, which is why we see such variability in the results when people receive them.

00:03:38.000 That's only one reason why there's so much variability.

00:03:42.000 Do you think it's the immunity to any legal consequences that has allowed them to operate like this?

00:03:51.000 Well, we certainly saw an explosion of their creativity since 1986.

00:03:56.000 Actually, in 1986, you're referring to the National Child Vaccine Injury Act that was passed in 1986.

00:04:02.000 But before 1986, we had 1976, which was the swine flu vaccine fiasco.

00:04:09.000 And that was a situation where there was so much injury that the vaccine-producing companies...

00:04:16.000 We're no longer able to get insurance.

00:04:18.000 And so they went to the government and they said, we need you to indemnify us.

00:04:21.000 And they did.

00:04:22.000 And so the government absorbed all the lawsuit cases that happened as a result of the Guillain-Barre that happened from then.

00:04:28.000 And so that kind of set a precedent for 1986.

00:04:30.000 So back then, vaccines were just kind of, you know, pieces of microbe.

00:04:34.000 Or maybe a live, attenuated virus.

00:04:37.000 And then they would put a background of all kinds of horrid things inside of it and tell you it was just a clear, beautiful, pure solution.

00:04:43.000 But that's beside the point.

00:04:44.000 So then 1986 comes along because there's so many lawsuits happening because of the diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus vaccine that, again, the vaccine companies couldn't continue to go on the way they were because they were being sued so much.

00:04:57.000 So then this horrible act was passed, which to some people seemed like a good idea.

00:05:01.000 And this is always how it goes.

00:05:03.000 We're going to make you this.

00:05:04.000 Promise, promise, yes, yes, yes, we're going to cover all the lawsuits now out of taxes, but it's going to be okay because we're going to pay out these lawsuits and you're going to be fine.

00:05:11.000 If your kid takes one for the team, you're going to be okay.

00:05:15.000 And what happens is after time, after they get their foot in the door, they narrow down the...

00:05:21.000 They basically have a kangaroo court that decides if you're eligible.

00:05:24.000 And so the qualification tables got narrowed down because in the beginning they were paying out so much of this.

00:05:30.000 So not only did it make the vaccine companies very, very wealthy and indemnified, but as you alluded to just a minute ago, the creativity of the vaccine companies expanded.

00:05:40.000 So after that they could add different, what we call adjuvants, things that stimulate the immune system so the vaccine works better.

00:05:48.000 start, that's why we're able to be in a messenger RNA vaccine situation today, which that wouldn't have happened if it weren't for this indemnification that, you know, the vaccine trials have We've never seen a vaccinated, unvaccinated study that is accepted by the powers that be.

00:06:10.000 You know, good enough.

00:06:11.000 The vaccinated, unvaccinated studies that they have, they use another vaccine for.

00:06:16.000 You probably know that.

00:06:17.000 So if you're testing a measles vaccine, you could test it against a diphtheria vaccine or a flu shot vaccine is tested against a hepatitis A vaccine.

00:06:25.000 There's no saline placebo because the few studies that exist with saline placebos show how bad the vaccine actually is and how it makes you not only not respond to the disease when it comes around, but more susceptible to it in many cases.

00:06:39.000 Have there been any instances where vaccines have been helpful?

00:06:45.000 The question of the century, isn't it?

00:06:47.000 Okay, now we have to back up a minute because I had that same question and I had to go dig deep to all the questions you have in your head right now.

00:06:55.000 I had them too at one point.

00:06:57.000 So here I am, a medical doctor working in the field, believing in pretty much everything I was told, giving hundreds if not thousands of vaccines out to my patients, hepatitis B vaccines in particular, flu shots for sure.

00:07:10.000 I was a nephrologist, kidney specialist, and dialysis, etc.

00:07:17.000 And initially, you know, we all kind of have an aversion to needles.

00:07:20.000 I think it's a natural human aversion.

00:07:22.000 So when we're kids, no one's going, oh, I want to go get my vaccines.

00:07:25.000 We're like, you know, okay, fine, sore arm, you get over it.

00:07:27.000 Most of us were lucky enough to get over it.

00:07:31.000 So by the time the first instance of...

00:07:35.000 When the problem occurred in front of my eyes, I was already a fully seasoned professor of medicine, you know, working in a tertiary care medical center, okay?

00:07:44.000 And so it's been a bit of a process because, for me, it was the influenza vaccines in 2008, 2009 that showed me, without a doubt, that vaccines can and do cause kidney failure and put people on dialysis, that that does happen.

00:07:58.000 It can cause hypertension.

00:08:00.000 We're not told to take a vaccine history in medical school.

00:08:03.000 We're not told to even look there.

00:08:04.000 It's not even part of, especially in adults.

00:08:07.000 But when I did start looking there, I started to see more and more associations.

00:08:11.000 Let's just put it that way.

00:08:12.000 And so first I had to go down the flu vaccine bunny trail.

00:08:16.000 And every time I went down that flu vaccine bunny trail, guess what I was asked?

00:08:20.000 What about polio?

00:08:22.000 So I thought, all right.

00:08:23.000 Even though this has absolutely zero to do with polio because I'm watching people crap out in front of me after influenza vaccines, let's see about polio.

00:08:31.000 Because I knew very little about polio, just like most people walking around out there do.

00:08:35.000 That, you know, it was invented by this guy named Jonas Salk and it saved humanity.

00:08:39.000 We don't see these little crippled kids anymore. 1.00

00:08:41.000 We don't have iron lungs anymore.

00:08:42.000 Yay! Well, I would have to say that the polio bunny trail was the darkest one of all. 0.99

00:08:52.000 So after polio then became smallpox.

00:08:54.000 And I thought, you know, we still have people walking the earth that have experienced the polio years.

00:08:59.000 So I kind of like to stick to polio because most of the smallpox...

00:09:03.000 You know, people that would have been familiar with it are off the planet.

00:09:07.000 But there's still some doctors around that will talk about smallpox.

00:09:10.000 A guy named Thomas Mack, who's probably close to 90, who was kind of ground zero in the 1940s and knows a lot about it and still says we shouldn't be vaccinated for smallpox today.

00:09:20.000 So then there was that.

00:09:21.000 And then everyone and their dog was talking about autism.

00:09:23.000 And I didn't really want to have anything to do with autism because I was an adult doctor.

00:09:28.000 I think we should break down step by step.

00:09:30.000 Like, what about polio?

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00:10:27.000 Yeah. Yeah.

00:10:43.000 Yeah. It's essentially not be a problem anymore.

00:10:57.000 Okay. You don't think vaccinations had anything to do with that?

00:11:01.000 Well, I also...

00:11:02.000 It's not what I think, because that's the thing.

00:11:05.000 Like, look, when I got into this, I didn't say...

00:11:07.000 Oh, you know, I want to argue that vaccines are great.

00:11:10.000 I said, look, I don't care.

00:11:11.000 I didn't have skin in the game.

00:11:12.000 I didn't have vaccine-injured kids.

00:11:14.000 I couldn't have cared less about it, essentially, except that it was something in front of me and it didn't make sense.

00:11:18.000 So I thought, wherever the truth falls, that's what I'm going to talk about.

00:11:21.000 So what I say is that what the facts line up to show you is that polio is still here.

00:11:27.000 Polio is still alive and well.

00:11:29.000 Polio is called different things today.

00:11:32.000 Whereas back in the 1940s, 1950s, The criteria for diagnosing polio were completely different to the year that the vaccine was introduced.

00:11:41.000 The playing field, the goalposts, everything was changed so that despite the fact that there was more paralytic polio in the years after that vaccine was introduced, they were able to show a complete cascading drop of paralytic polio simply because of the way they changed the definitions of what polio is and what could cause it.

00:11:59.000 And they started testing for the virus, where before they would never test for the virus.

00:12:03.000 And when they started testing for the virus...

00:12:05.000 Later, what they would find that people had Guillain-Barre syndrome, they didn't have virus, or they had Coxsackie virus or echo virus, or they were lead poisoned or mercury poisoned, which was the mercury and lead were the leading treatments of the day, including bloodletting.

00:12:20.000 They were telling people to take your cigarette and put a little bit of arsenic in there.

00:12:24.000 It's good for your lungs.

00:12:25.000 Yeah. They were literally blowing smoke up people's butts. 0.99

00:12:29.000 Like, that's where the term comes from.

00:12:30.000 Because if you want to Google that now, you'll see that there's an instrument that does it.

00:12:35.000 So, yeah, the polio story, where to even begin?

00:12:41.000 There's about 70 pages.

00:12:42.000 And so that became my obsession.

00:12:44.000 So when people said, what about polio?

00:12:46.000 And I started digging this up.

00:12:47.000 I went deep into it.

00:12:48.000 Did you dive into pesticides?

00:12:51.000 Yes, yes.

00:12:51.000 You have to dive into pesticides.

00:12:53.000 Because the tonnage of production of DDT absolutely mirrored the diagnosis for polio in the days.

00:13:00.000 And the countries that still make DDT today is where we're still seeing this paralytic polio situation happen. 0.83

00:13:06.000 And also, weren't the first cases, didn't they break out in a rural community?

00:13:11.000 The first cases of polio, yes.

00:13:12.000 In the United States, paralytic polio.

00:13:14.000 Yes, it was out in the countryside.

00:13:15.000 Well, that was probably more because of the sheep and cow dipping.

00:13:18.000 So arsenic.

00:13:19.000 You'd have to look at arsenic. 0.94

00:13:20.000 You have to look at the mercurials.

00:13:21.000 You have to look at the calcium arsenate, lead arsenate sprays that were put on trees.

00:13:25.000 But what you're talking about, in particular, they would call the cow disease.

00:13:28.000 They'd go out and the family, when you would go to the house, they'd say, all the kids have the cow disease, what the cows had before.

00:13:34.000 Well, what were they doing?

00:13:35.000 They would have these trenches.

00:13:36.000 You talk to farmers, even today.

00:13:38.000 Oh, yeah, we had trenches.

00:13:39.000 We would just walk them straight.

00:13:41.000 Oh, my God.

00:13:44.000 Yeah. So they're basically soaking and bathing in arsenic, which is great for killing fleas and ticks.

00:13:49.000 But it's not really great for keeping your nervous system happy because the fact of the matter is, and this, again, I've got medical references, everything.

00:13:56.000 I can't get away with making stuff up, okay?

00:13:58.000 I have to put a reference for everything.

00:14:00.000 But arsenic causes the exact same spinal pathology and fevers and everything.

00:14:05.000 It literally mimics what they were calling polio and a poliovirus.

00:14:09.000 Back in the day.

00:14:11.000 I read this crazy statistic, and I still can't believe it's real, that 95 to 99% of all polio is asymptomatic.

00:14:21.000 That's exactly right.

00:14:22.000 So polio virus is what we call a commensal, just like you have staph on your skin and strep on your skin, and it actually serves a purpose.

00:14:30.000 It keeps other microbes in check as long as you don't get a cut and have not a good immune system to deal from the inside out.

00:14:36.000 So polio, the reason I can say that polio is a commensal is because, again, there are medical studies that showed that people who dared to get on the edge of some of these wild native tribes down in South America or elsewhere, but in particular I'm talking about We're talking about a South American tribe called the Javante Indians.

00:14:53.000 So the Indian Health Service got to the edge of it and bargained that they would get some stool and some blood from the tribes so that they could test it for polio.

00:15:02.000 And what they found was 98% to 99% of every person they tested, and it was hundreds of people, had evidence of immunity to all three strains of polio.

00:15:12.000 And they said to them, well, where are your crippled children?

00:15:15.000 Where's your short legs? 0.98

00:15:16.000 Where are the people that died of respiratory failure?

00:15:18.000 And they were like, we don't have any of that problem.

00:15:21.000 Could it possibly be that whatever you're calling polio evolved and became less powerful over time and more contagious?

00:15:30.000 That does happen with some viruses, right?

00:15:34.000 Most viruses in nature don't become more problematic as they go through the human system.

00:15:40.000 They become less problematic.

00:15:41.000 Remember the whole COVID thing?

00:15:43.000 Like in the beginning, people were getting super, super sick.

00:15:46.000 It wasn't as contagious, but it was more virulent.

00:15:49.000 And as it attenuated into the human bodies, it sort of kind of fizzled out a bit.

00:15:55.000 And then we got the Omicron, which was less – it was more spreadable, but it was much less pathological.

00:16:01.000 And that's the natural process that happens.

00:16:03.000 So when you're going to have problems...

00:16:12.000 And then they're introduced into the population.

00:16:15.000 And look, I'm not making this up either.

00:16:17.000 1916, Upper East Side, Manhattan, there was a Rockefeller lab that their specific stated goal was to try to create the most pathological, neuropathological strain of polio possible.

00:16:30.000 And they did that by taking monkey brains and human spinal serum and injecting it into monkeys.

00:16:35.000 And there was a big problem with that, which was released into the public by accident.

00:16:40.000 The world experienced the worst polio epidemic on record.

00:16:45.000 25% mortality.

00:16:46.000 That's unheard of.

00:16:48.000 Really freaked the public out.

00:16:50.000 You can see the epicenter as it fanned out.

00:16:53.000 And as it fanned out and as time went on...

00:16:55.000 Never heard of it again.

00:16:57.000 It attenuates as it moves through the body because it's a normal human commensal that goes back to its normal state when it's in a human.

00:17:04.000 And that's generally what happens.

00:17:06.000 If you have a highly lethal virus and it kills a lot of people, those people are dead.

00:17:10.000 They can't spread anything.

00:17:12.000 So that's kind of a different story if you want to talk about hantavirus or something like that. 0.98

00:17:15.000 But as far as polio goes, no, polio was only made more lethal by the stupid things that humans did around it. 0.99

00:17:21.000 So make it more invasive into the body, just like you can go do stupid things. 1.00

00:17:25.000 End up with herpes outbreaks and staph outbreaks. 0.97

00:17:29.000 Polio virus is a normal commensal. 0.98

00:17:32.000 It used to be until we obliterated it with oral vaccines and replaced it with vaccine strain.

00:17:37.000 But the wild strains are normal human commensals.

00:17:40.000 So there's vaccine strain polio that just comes from a vaccine and is transmissible?

00:17:46.000 Absolutely. Today, it would be the oral polio vaccines because they're the live strains, and they're still giving them pulse fashion all throughout India.

00:17:56.000 They did a campaign a few years back in Israel, and they always say that a nomad came and pooped in the sewage system, and they find it in the sewage system, and they don't want an outbreak to happen, so they treat everybody.

00:18:10.000 So that's today the most common reason to see...

00:18:15.000 Poliomyelitis disease from a virus.

00:18:17.000 If you test for a virus, they'll usually find the vaccine virus.

00:18:20.000 And that's why today we don't remember when we were kids, because we're about the same age, I think, they would give us the sugar cube.

00:18:27.000 Maybe you didn't, but I did.

00:18:28.000 I got the sugar cube, and that was the live vaccine.

00:18:31.000 Well, they stopped doing that because after a while, the only cases of polio, and it became so obvious that the only cases of polio we were seeing related to a virus, when they tested for polio virus, were vaccine strains.

00:18:41.000 So then they started injecting us again.

00:18:43.000 But the early injections caused more paralytic polio than it prevented.

00:18:47.000 And that's the part that people don't understand when they say, what about polio?

00:18:50.000 Because they, like you, just go, well, there's no more iron lungs.

00:18:52.000 There's no more crippling.

00:18:53.000 There's no more these poor little kids walking around.

00:18:56.000 Well, that's not true because the iron lung is now called a ventilator.

00:19:01.000 So that's out the window.

00:19:02.000 Transverse myelitis, which there are about 1,300 cases, I think it's a month, diagnosed in one particular...

00:19:09.000 I put a quote in here on that.

00:19:13.000 But transverse myelitis is actually something that would have absolutely...

00:19:16.000 It follows the same pathology as polio.

00:19:19.000 It would have been called polio back in the day.

00:19:20.000 So we still have...

00:19:22.000 Polio that we had in 1953, because in 1953, all you had to have to be diagnosed as polio.

00:19:27.000 Anyone could diagnose you.

00:19:29.000 Just one examination with one set of muscles being paralyzed.

00:19:33.000 There was no time frame on it.

00:19:35.000 There was no testing done on it.

00:19:36.000 And then it was considered a public service to do it because then you were eligible for funding.

00:19:41.000 So what do they call it again?

00:19:43.000 Can you say that word again?

00:19:44.000 Myelitis? Poliomyelitis is the definition of the actual pathology.

00:19:50.000 So it basically means inflammation of the gray matter of your spinal cord.

00:19:55.000 That's what polio in Greek, poliomyelitis.

00:19:58.000 It means gray matter inflammation, poliomyelitis.

00:20:02.000 Poliomyelitis is what happens in the body, okay?

00:20:05.000 If you want to talk about what causes it, then okay, maybe in some cases a poliovirus causes it.

00:20:11.000 And all the other things we just mentioned, arsenic, lead arsenate, calcium arsenate, injections, tonsillectomies were a huge cause of some of the worst cases of poliomyelitis.

00:20:22.000 And in fact, injections and tonsillectomies and Unnecessary surgeries were put on hold during the years where the epidemics were the worst.

00:20:30.000 So that's just proof that even the surgeons knew that.

00:20:34.000 Why? How does it affect it?

00:20:36.000 Okay, so if you happen to have poliomyelitis circulating in your body that's not just sitting in your intestines and say it made its way into your body, because we can.

00:20:45.000 Things can go from your intestines into your body.

00:20:47.000 And you happen to have it...

00:20:50.000 Close to a nerve that's up, say, around your throat, and then you go and take tonsils out, then what you've done is you've given that access to the blood compartment, the lymph compartment, and the brain stem, which is right there, local.

00:21:04.000 So those are the people that would get what was called bulbar polio, which is the ones that put you on a ventilator, and it's highly lethal.

00:21:11.000 It's the worst kind of polio to get, bulbar polio. 0.56

00:21:14.000 And it was very well known to have been coincident with tonsillectomies.

00:21:18.000 Not only that, but tonsillectomies. 1.00

00:21:19.000 It's changed the structure and antibodies and the immunity that occurred in the throat and it changed it for the worse, not for the better.

00:21:28.000 Do you think they're unnecessary?

00:21:29.000 Or is there some times when people have to get their tonsils removed or is it just a nonsense practice?

00:21:35.000 Okay, so again, it's not just a cut and dry answer because let's just say that anyone who's ever brought their child to me because the tonsils were touching or they were snoring has not had to have a tonsillectomy.

00:21:49.000 Now, does that mean that a tonsillectomy won't solve that problem where you're snoring and, you know, your kid's maybe not oxygenating?

00:21:55.000 No. If you let it go that long, probably you're going to need a tonsillectomy. 0.67

00:21:58.000 But I've seen so many cases reverse.

00:22:00.000 It's a very easy thing to do.

00:22:02.000 But as doctors, we're not taught about all the things that you were talking about earlier, the natural remedies, but just simply gargling with a solution of...

00:22:10.000 of sodium ascorbate, vitamin C, can make a huge difference because tonsils are like porous golf balls if you want to think of them that way.

00:22:18.000 They've got pits in them and so food you eat and bacteria and pus can build up. 0.99

00:22:23.000 But if you just start rinsing the outsides of them and start nourishing the body from the inside and getting rid of things that the kid might be allergic to, which almost every kid's going to eat if your parent doesn't know better, it can make a remarkable difference in these kids that have these huge tonsils.

00:22:38.000 So I think that I think everything else should be done first before taking out the tonsils if there's time because I'd say 95 to 99 percent of the time you can prevent that child from needing their tonsils removed.

00:22:50.000 Before we go to smallpox, I want to talk about this because you just brought it up.

00:22:55.000 One of the things that Brett Weinstein has explained to me is that aluminum is when that...

00:23:05.000 The concept is that giving someone a shot with aluminum in it and triggering an immune response, if they're eating certain foods during that time, they can then develop an allergy to those foods.

00:23:22.000 Like certain people with peanuts and various things like that that used to be very common for people to eat, but then a bunch of people developed pretty severe food allergies.

00:23:31.000 And he makes this connection.

00:23:33.000 That he believes it's a reasonable connection to say that there's something...

00:23:38.000 Absolutely. 100%.

00:23:40.000 And it's not just something he's dreamed up.

00:23:43.000 Again, provable medical literature in the book, Dissolving Illusions.

00:23:47.000 The physiology, the pathology is known.

00:23:49.000 It's very well known that...

00:23:51.000 The vaccines that have aluminum in them skew the immune system.

00:23:54.000 So the immune system, if you want to break it down really simply, you have your Th1 arm and your Th2 arm.

00:24:01.000 Your Th1 arm is your really important one.

00:24:03.000 Those are your T cells, your lymphocytes, the cells that chew up any garbage that's going around.

00:24:09.000 That's the part you want activated in any infection you have, whether it's COVID or measles or smallpox or whatever.

00:24:14.000 Then you have your Th2 arm, which is there mostly to deal with parasites and things like that, and it's mostly an antibody.

00:24:21.000 That's the one that vaccinologists are obsessed with, making sure there's enough antibody.

00:24:25.000 So the vaccines that have aluminum in them, as opposed to the live attenuated vaccines, which don't have aluminum, all the other ones do.

00:24:33.000 So your DTAP is going to have aluminum in them.

00:24:36.000 All your killed vaccines are going to have aluminum in them.

00:24:38.000 And that is very well known to trigger that TH2 response, which is the allergic response, which can set up your body for autoimmunity.

00:24:47.000 Part of the purpose of, you know, breastfeeding, which is part of the blueprint for humanity and every other mammal, is that... 0.56

00:24:57.000 The mother is able to introduce antigens in the world to her baby through her own breast and things that she's been eating and breathing in, and then the baby's able to develop tolerance.

00:25:05.000 So, you know, while vaccine scientists are obsessed with getting antibodies and ramping up an infant's inadequate immune system, the fact of the matter is that it's more important to learn what not to react to when your immune system's developing rather than to becoming defensive against every microbe that could get you.

00:25:21.000 So that's kind of the paradox there and one of the battlegrounds for immunology, within immunology.

00:25:27.000 And for those of us out here that are going, what are you doing here?

00:25:32.000 You're also talking in your book about the importance of breast milk and the amount of nutrition that's in breast milk for a child and what it does for a child and the differences in their immune system, the differences in a lot of different.

00:25:47.000 Aspects of their development, which is pretty fascinating.

00:25:51.000 And most people kind of just assume it's food.

00:25:54.000 It's just food.

00:25:55.000 But it's a lot more than that.

00:25:56.000 It's so much more than that.

00:25:58.000 And I was actually quite startled when I really went down that rabbit hole to see not only I mean, it is food.

00:26:05.000 It's excellent nutrition with short-chain fatty acids and sugars that the baby needs.

00:26:09.000 It actually trains your gut to be healthy in the long run as an adult, which trains your immune system as well.

00:26:15.000 But what that mother is putting through her breast milk, you know, things like something called HAMLET, H-A-M-L-E-T, which stands for Human...

00:26:23.000 Alpha-lactalbumin made lethal to tumors.

00:26:26.000 And this is a substance.

00:26:28.000 This is a protein.

00:26:29.000 It's like a transformer protein that can literally turn into a cancer-busting molecule that is being used by the oncology industry, okay?

00:26:40.000 And when it's not in that form, it's a powerful protein that fights off pertussis, all kinds of pneumococcal bacteria.

00:26:49.000 And when it's not doing that, it's food.

00:26:51.000 Okay, so it's like it's got so many different purposes.

00:26:54.000 Stem cells are coming through that mother's milk. 0.99

00:26:57.000 Activated T cells.

00:26:59.000 Activated T cells have another substance in them that is kind of hijacked by the oncology industry, and that is when they're immunosuppressing kids for leukemia or whatever, and they come in contact, say, with chickenpox.

00:27:13.000 What they can do is get somebody like me, who's immune to chickenpox, naturally, and take my memory T cells that remember that, and there's a substance in there.

00:27:23.000 It's called dialyzable leukocyte extract.

00:27:26.000 When you put that into another child, even whether they eat it or inject it into them, it transfers cellular, that Th1 important arm of immunity I just told you, it transfers it onto them and protects them for a long time.

00:27:39.000 So that's kind of in the old days when mothers had measles in the old days and normally, and they were able to pass this powerful immunity through that.

00:27:48.000 That DLE factor, as well as all these other things, including preformed immune globulins.

00:27:54.000 I mentioned something like 80,000 stem cells.

00:27:58.000 It's just incredible.

00:27:59.000 And we still have only hit the tip of the iceberg in terms of what we know about breast milk.

00:28:05.000 But breast milk also, it's been proven again that if you are going to vaccinate your baby, if you're breastfeeding, the vaccine will bring that baby more into a Th1.

00:28:15.000 If you're not...

00:28:17.000 Breastfeeding and you're giving formula, that baby's going to move more into a TH2 in response to that vaccine. 1.00

00:28:22.000 So, like, I think if most women understood the powers of breast milk, they would do everything possible to be able to do it. 0.88

00:28:30.000 I think you make a very compelling point for that.

00:28:33.000 I just, I think it's arrogant that we could assume that we could replace something with, I mean, have you ever read the ingredients of formula?

00:28:41.000 Yeah. Like, how could that be good?

00:28:43.000 I know. 0.99

00:28:44.000 The parasites. 0.99

00:28:45.000 We have parasites that have been parasites upon humanity for such a long time. 0.97

00:28:50.000 And that's what happens, is that something is discovered. 0.75

00:28:53.000 And for some people, maybe it can be a good idea, but then the parasites take it and want to...

00:28:58.000 So when it came to breastfeeding, it was, you don't have to do that.

00:29:01.000 You don't have to bother yourself like that.

00:29:02.000 You don't have to pull your boobs out in public. 1.00

00:29:04.000 You don't have to become a dairy cow. 1.00

00:29:06.000 Just strap them down.

00:29:07.000 The milk will stop.

00:29:08.000 And then you can start putting this wonderful...

00:29:10.000 When I was a kid, I was fed soy milk in a warm plastic.

00:29:14.000 That was the fad then, growing up.

00:29:16.000 So the formula industry is a huge moneymaker, and some women do prefer it. 1.00

00:29:24.000 Fortunately, 75% of women in the USA today do initiate breastfeeding. 0.94

00:29:29.000 So that's very much better than the polio days when almost nobody was breastfeeding and they were using milk in the infant formula that had been contaminated by what the cows were eating.

00:29:39.000 Oh my God.

00:29:40.000 And so that was another part of the polio story that's not been told.

00:29:44.000 So the cows were all eating these pesticides.

00:29:47.000 Yes. And herbicides.

00:29:49.000 Yes. And the cows were getting sick with it. 1.00

00:29:51.000 And then these people were drinking the milk from that cow and getting sick as well.

00:29:56.000 Well, the cows wouldn't have been necessarily getting sick from it, but it would be concentrating in their milk.

00:30:01.000 And so the milk would have been expressed.

00:30:04.000 But you just brought me back to another place.

00:30:07.000 Cows were also used during the smallpox era, and what you're saying is true about that.

00:30:12.000 So they would basically take what they thought...

00:30:17.000 Sorry. It's just so dark that sometimes you have to laugh.

00:30:20.000 But they would take pus from other animals, scratch it into the belly of a cow, then take the pus off of the big pimples that would form on the belly of a cow. 0.99

00:30:30.000 The cow could become very sick, and yet that cow could still be butchered up at the butcher shop.

00:30:34.000 The butcher would get sick with pemphigus or some hand-and-mouth disease.

00:30:39.000 You know, things that the cows normally catch.

00:30:42.000 And so those cows could still be used to produce meat in those cases.

00:30:46.000 I don't know that it was used to produce milk.

00:30:48.000 I don't think that would have...

00:30:49.000 I don't know.

00:30:50.000 But I know it was used to produce meat because the butchers were getting sick and the people that were eating the meat were getting sick.

00:30:56.000 And certainly the people that took the vaccines that had certain who knows what in them because it was shown...

00:31:03.000 Like into the 1970s, 80s, and even recently, I have a reference after the year 2000, that there was more bacteria and fungus in the smallpox vaccines than there was smallpox virus.

00:31:14.000 So it was because they had this thing called pure lymph, which was pus that came out of the...

00:31:20.000 A horse's foot or a donkey's pus skin or a cadaver of a human or a cow's ulcerating udders and scraped into glycerin and called pure lymph and marketed all over the world.

00:31:35.000 Look, Joe, this was our success.

00:31:37.000 This is the one vaccine that eradicated a disease.

00:31:42.000 Can you believe that fairy tale?

00:31:44.000 I'll tell you another one.

00:31:45.000 It doesn't get crazy.

00:31:47.000 This is our success.

00:31:49.000 This vaccine that I have described in great detail with what was in it and what people saw under microscopes and then later tested genetically was what was called a quasi-species, meaning they don't even, after a while, it became its own thing.

00:32:02.000 It wasn't from a horse anymore.

00:32:04.000 It wasn't from a human anymore.

00:32:06.000 They called it...

00:32:07.000 They humanized horsepox when they genetically characterized the dry vax and then ordered that every dry vax specimen on the planet be destroyed. 0.97

00:32:17.000 I think that was around 2009.

00:32:20.000 Why did they do that?

00:32:22.000 Good question.

00:32:23.000 I don't know.

00:32:24.000 Hiding the evidence, possibly.

00:32:26.000 But they now have a new vaccine, which doesn't work.

00:32:30.000 But they wanted to bring this one back when I was in my...

00:32:34.000 The peak of my career in 2003, I got a letter on my desk stating that they needed people to get vaccinated for smallpox so that those other people that were getting vaccinated would have somebody that could treat them that would be immune to smallpox.

00:32:49.000 Because it's well known that if you get a smallpox vaccine and you get these horrible scabs, that you are going...

00:32:55.000 You're going to spread smallpox and you're going to have a horrible, itchy time of secondary infections.

00:33:00.000 You will need a doctor at some point.

00:33:02.000 Well, it turns out that the trials that they did on super healthy people, soldiers that were in top shape, were so bad in terms of cardiac disease and other diseases that the government put it on hold for a second and said, no, no, no, we can't do this.

00:33:16.000 Meanwhile, guess what?

00:33:17.000 They were using the same vaccine in the 1700s and 1800s.

00:33:24.000 Late 1700s, all through the 1800s, into the 1900s, they would sometimes, you probably saw the picture of the child's arm, considered a good take, five huge ulcers on the arm, with sanitation being what it was, no antibiotics.

00:33:38.000 Can you imagine having your baby have five scars on its arm, ulcerating from these things, having fevers?

00:33:45.000 Sometimes the arms became necrotic, sometimes the disease spread all over the place, and there was nothing to give them except blood.

00:33:52.000 Spreading mercurials and arsenicals and heating them up in a dark room with no sunlight.

00:33:57.000 That was the treatment for smallpox.

00:33:59.000 So you tell me why smallpox was so lethal.

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00:35:10.000 Well, what's fascinating also is that most people aren't aware of just the general public health conditions during the time of the smallpox outbreak.

00:35:24.000 That's right.

00:35:29.000 Unheard of.

00:35:30.000 You wouldn't be able to imagine just the smell of human feces everywhere.

00:35:37.000 Like, streets were filled with outhouses. 1.00

00:35:39.000 There was animal shit in the streets. 0.99

00:35:42.000 There was no sanitation. 0.99

00:35:43.000 There's no running water.

00:35:45.000 It's a disaster.

00:35:46.000 It's a disaster.

00:35:47.000 And there's no good food.

00:35:48.000 So you got malnutrition.

00:35:50.000 You're exposed to numerous pathogens and just waste.

00:35:56.000 You probably have fecal matter on everything. 0.79

00:35:58.000 It's probably unavoidable.

00:35:59.000 It tracks in your house.

00:36:01.000 It's everywhere you go.

00:36:02.000 It's your drinking water.

00:36:03.000 Your drinking water.

00:36:05.000 You would skim the top off for your drinking water back then.

00:36:08.000 And we know that co-infections make any primary infection worse.

00:36:12.000 You know, if you have measles and you get a co-infection, it makes it worse.

00:36:15.000 COVID with a co-infection.

00:36:15.000 Anything makes it worse.

00:36:17.000 You end up with pneumonias and pus pockets in your lungs.

00:36:21.000 So, yeah, thank you for that description.

00:36:22.000 I don't think I could have done it much better myself.

00:36:24.000 That was normal.

00:36:26.000 Go watch Gangs of New York.

00:36:30.000 It's obviously a drama, and, you know, it's probably not completely accurate, but I bet it's pretty close.

00:36:35.000 But it's pretty close to how people live back then.

00:36:37.000 Yeah, the slums, like, you can actually, like, in here, it's not all medical articles quoted.

00:36:43.000 Some of the quotes that we use are historical quotes from, you know, anthropologists that would go through the slums in New York.

00:36:49.000 You know, the Ellis Island was just bringing people in, bringing people in, and they would sometimes have 20 people in one room with no privy, dark, you know.

00:36:58.000 Like you say, the sewage would run underneath the house, so the smell of it would be coming up through the whole time.

00:37:03.000 And then you'd have them working 16 hours a day at the age of anything up...

00:37:07.000 Upwards of four to five years old could be sent to either coal mines or canneries to bring money in for the families to barely survive.

00:37:15.000 So people weren't being paid very well.

00:37:17.000 But you just said smallpox being what it was.

00:37:20.000 But what people don't realize is that in the 1600s, late 1680s, doctors were describing smallpox as one of the easiest diseases to treat if you simply just supported the human.

00:37:29.000 Again, quoted that...

00:37:32.000 And then what happened is the Industrial Revolution and people were taken with the Land Enclosure Acts out from the farms and brought into cities which didn't have – the pigs basically were the garbage men back then. 0.61

00:37:42.000 So the pigs ran wild.

00:37:43.000 Thank God because if they didn't, it would have been even worse.

00:37:46.000 Horses were your cars.

00:37:47.000 So the horse were dumping everywhere.

00:37:49.000 Some people just – they said there was a foot of horse manure to get through to walk across the street.

00:37:54.000 So it was horrible in pretty much every way you can think of, and then the human oppression on top of it in terms of the poverty that was there and the wealthy elite at the top kind of living the good life.

00:38:06.000 But it was starting to filter up to them at some point, which is why it was actually individual people that sponsored the first public drinking fountains and things like that.

00:38:17.000 It was probably partly to – Because if you can stop disease from running rampant through society, look, they still had to go into the cities to get things.

00:38:27.000 And even if you sent your servant into the city, your servant could bring you home something lovely from the city.

00:38:34.000 This is not the picture that was painted when we were children of what society was like.

00:38:42.000 No, we were told that this vaccine was so important and it was so effective that we don't need it anymore.

00:38:48.000 I actually ended up with one when I was very young.

00:38:50.000 I think what we're talking about when we're saying the conditions, that these conditions aren't known to most people and that these conditions coincide with these diseases.

00:38:59.000 And it's probably not just a correlation.

00:39:03.000 So the conditions correlate with the diseases, and the conditions also correlate with the death rates, okay?

00:39:12.000 And so there were many of the diseases that we're talking, say just diarrhea.

00:39:15.000 Do you know diarrhea killed more people in the Civil War than bullets?

00:39:19.000 Yeah. And lots of other wars, diarrhea.

00:39:22.000 Diarrhea can be caused by lots of things, nothing that we vaccinate for, essentially.

00:39:26.000 Well, I mean, today there's rotavirus, but that wasn't a thing then.

00:39:29.000 It was more, you know.

00:39:30.000 Typhus and things like that.

00:39:32.000 Are they getting it from water?

00:39:35.000 Yeah, that's what that would have been because they would be out in the bush or the trenches drinking what they could.

00:39:45.000 Redirect me again.

00:39:46.000 We're just talking about the...

00:39:49.000 The diseases that there were never any vaccines for, we see the death rate come down at the same exact avalanche as the diseases that we did vaccinate for.

00:39:58.000 And in some cases, there's a little blip when the vaccine comes up and things get worse for a bit and then come back down.

00:40:03.000 So again, the point of the book was just interpreting the data that's existed for a really long time, vital statistics throughout the world as to the...

00:40:17.000 Right. You know, so different diseases have different severities.

00:40:29.000 And different solutions and different ways to treat them so that they never have to present to a hospital.

00:40:34.000 But like you said, you know, back in those days, you know, there wasn't...

00:40:38.000 The pharmacies basically had your mercurials, arsenicals, if you were lucky, some homeopathics.

00:40:44.000 That was pretty much medicine back then until aspirin was invented, which was probably one of the reasons why the 1918 flu looked as bad as it did because they were giving people up to 10 grams of aspirin a day, which can cause pulmonary edema in a healthy person.

00:40:58.000 What was the logic behind the arsenics and the mercurials?

00:41:02.000 Like, how did that become an approach that they used for medicine?

00:41:08.000 Well, I don't know, actually.

00:41:10.000 Don't know the answer to why they started doing that.

00:41:12.000 Those are two really bad things.

00:41:14.000 Well, I'll tell you how they prescribed it is they would say, give one grain until emesis occurs.

00:41:20.000 That means throwing up.

00:41:21.000 So give it until a person throws up because back then they believed that if they could get you to throw up, they thought if...

00:41:26.000 Bringing stuff out of your body was good.

00:41:28.000 Bloodletting, throwing up, and diarrhea.

00:41:29.000 And so that was the threshold for giving a lot of these drugs.

00:41:33.000 So they thought, how can you get someone to have diarrhea as a doctor?

00:41:38.000 Okay, well, we can give them mercurials and arsenicals.

00:41:40.000 That will do the trick.

00:41:42.000 And so they thought that they could purge the body by doing that.

00:41:45.000 Arsenic in medicine, past, present, and future.

00:41:49.000 Yeah. Okay.

00:41:51.000 Paradoxically, it's a therapeutic agent that has been used since ancient times for the treatment of multiple diseases.

00:41:56.000 So does it actually cure some stuff in small doses?

00:42:01.000 Well, what good is it cure if you have a dead patient or a patient with neuropathy?

00:42:05.000 You haven't really cured anyone, have you?

00:42:07.000 Right. Well, isn't it dose-dependent, right?

00:42:09.000 It says arsenic trioxide, the active ingredient in a traditional Chinese medicine, was shown to produce dramatic remission of acute poly...

00:42:17.000 You could say that word, ma'am.

00:42:19.000 Promyelocytic leukemia.

00:42:20.000 Thank you.

00:42:21.000 But then they decided that vitamin A could do it, okay?

00:42:25.000 Right, transretinoic acid.

00:42:27.000 So retinoic acid, which is vitamin A. Yeah.

00:42:30.000 Okay, that's interesting.

00:42:31.000 There are still a lot of poisons used in oncology.

00:42:34.000 I'd say vitamin A is probably less risky.

00:42:34.000 What's that?

00:42:35.000 I'd say it's less risky for vitamin A than arsenic.

00:42:38.000 Yeah, a little bit.

00:42:38.000 But is it a different kind of arsenic?

00:42:40.000 Slightly different kind of arsenic or a lower dose of arsenic?

00:42:44.000 They measured things in grains back then, so I guess that's probably maybe like a milligram, something like that.

00:42:51.000 But the Chinese medicine is probably the root of it, right?

00:42:53.000 Why they thought it was medicine?

00:42:55.000 Could be.

00:42:56.000 And maybe they used the wrong arsenic?

00:42:59.000 That's possible.

00:43:00.000 I guess you start trying the things that you have, right?

00:43:03.000 Mercury is a crazy one, though.

00:43:05.000 Haven't they known that's poison forever?

00:43:09.000 Wasn't it quicksilver, though?

00:43:11.000 Wasn't it in the same thing, or no?

00:43:13.000 I don't know.

00:43:14.000 It's a fascinating metal, because it's liquid.

00:43:15.000 It's a liquid metal.

00:43:16.000 A lot of people played with it when they were kids.

00:43:18.000 Some of the smartest people I know talk about how they played with the mercury ball when they were little.

00:43:23.000 Yikes. And it's in thermometers, obviously.

00:43:25.000 It works quite well.

00:43:26.000 There's a use for mercury.

00:43:29.000 But the reason that it's put into the...

00:43:34.000 It was, actually, in the MMR vaccines and some of the flu vaccines is because it's an antimicrobial.

00:43:39.000 It'll kill everything.

00:43:40.000 So maybe that was part of that because it will kill everything.

00:43:43.000 It will kill the microbes in a Petri dish. 0.99

00:43:45.000 Because this is one of the realities of vaccine manufacture, which I want your audience to understand, is that vaccines, while it might look like just a clear liquid, in order to make a vaccine, you have to have either a cow that you put ulcers on and scrape the pus off, or you can evolve it.

00:44:03.000 As it had evolved to maybe getting, you know, some tumorous cells that came out of a cocker spaniel's kidney or monkey balls or monkey kidneys.

00:44:13.000 And you plate those cells out and then you inoculate it with what you want to grow to put in your vaccine later.

00:44:20.000 But in order to keep those cells alive, you have to put animal blood on it.

00:44:24.000 You have to put different nutrients on top of it.

00:44:26.000 You have to put antibiotics, canamycin, you know, things like that related to the COVID.

00:44:30.000 Here, mercury.

00:44:32.000 Okay, so in the end, you can make sure when you have your final product that if you put a little bit of mercury in there, that it's less likely for any of the fungus or the spores or the bacteria or the adventitious viruses that you didn't know about that were there before will be in your final product.

00:44:46.000 Wonderful. So you have a product now that you can be not completely sure has any of these.

00:44:53.000 Deadly microbes, but now has mercury, which the only places it's actually okay to have on the planet, mercury, is in vaccines, your tooth, or a toxic landfill.

00:45:06.000 So if you were to drop a vaccine at a vaccine clinic onto the floor...

00:45:10.000 The hazmat guys would come in.

00:45:11.000 You're not allowed to just pick it up if it's a mercury-containing vaccine.

00:45:15.000 The hazmat people have to come and take that away.

00:45:18.000 Yet we're okay to take a portion of that vial and inject it into a child, a three-month-old child.

00:45:25.000 How does that work?

00:45:27.000 It doesn't sound logical.

00:45:28.000 Six-month-old, actually.

00:45:30.000 There was also the issue with the different types of mercury, right?

00:45:34.000 Is it methyl and ethyl, the two different?

00:45:37.000 Yeah. Apparently, ethyl is good and methyl is bad, according to Paul Offit.

00:45:42.000 Well, senior vaccine scientist.

00:45:44.000 But the fact of the matter is, once mercury is methylated, like fish can methylate mercury and they can get rid of it.

00:45:53.000 Once we demethylate mercury, it's in us until you do something like something called chelation, where you can put a chemical into the body that can grab onto it and pull it out through your urine.

00:46:03.000 Otherwise, you're stuck with it.

00:46:06.000 In my opinion, all mercury is bad, shouldn't be put into humans, shouldn't be in our food sources, shouldn't be in our environment, except for in the...

00:46:14.000 Look, you can even find uranium in nature, right?

00:46:16.000 It's what people do to it to concentrate it and how they use it that becomes a problem.

00:46:21.000 Wasn't the issue that one of them, I don't know, it's methyl or ethyl mercury, leaves the body quicker?

00:46:28.000 Yes, it's ethyl mercury that leaves the body quicker because methyl is a chemical.

00:46:33.000 That gets put onto it naturally.

00:46:36.000 And apparently, I'm not an expert on mercury poisoning, but apparently methylmercury, we don't have the ability to excrete.

00:46:44.000 But ethylmercury, we do.

00:46:48.000 Yeah. But wasn't there also an issue that it crosses the blood-brain barrier?

00:46:53.000 Well, anytime there's inflammation, anything can cross the blood-brain barrier.

00:46:59.000 It's the aluminum that we really know crosses the blood-brain barrier, and that's still in vaccines today.

00:47:07.000 Yeah, anyway, we'll get into blood-brain barrier if you want to.

00:47:10.000 That's a whole other story.

00:47:12.000 But yeah, so mercury, obviously, it can get into the brain.

00:47:16.000 It's found in the brain.

00:47:17.000 It can get into your adrenals and your other glands and important areas of your body.

00:47:22.000 And the thing is that even at such low levels can cause problems.

00:47:27.000 No neurotoxin.

00:47:28.000 It has no place for circulating or being deposited in the human body in any form.

00:47:33.000 But isn't it fascinating that they've done such a good job?

00:47:40.000 You've got a lot of courage.

00:47:45.000 I don't want to commend you for that because writing that book and being here talking about it takes a lot of courage.

00:47:50.000 And it's from regular people who want to believe the vaccine.

00:47:54.000 They're scarier than anybody.

00:47:56.000 The people that are just rabid vaxxers. 0.97

00:47:59.000 And they stand for science.

00:48:02.000 Like, they're the warriors for science.

00:48:04.000 And they get very aggressive about it.

00:48:05.000 And they don't even want to breach the subject.

00:48:08.000 They don't even want to look at it.

00:48:09.000 Because the more you look at it, if you're a logical, rational person without, like, a deep-seated ideology attached to vaccines and you just look at the reality of it, you just go, what is this?

00:48:22.000 Like, how did you trick people into injecting?

00:48:26.000 How many a year now for kids?

00:48:28.000 What is it?

00:48:29.000 In the 70s.

00:48:30.000 I believe we're in the 70s.

00:48:31.000 That's insane.

00:48:32.000 Yeah. And then you want to demonize anybody who says anything about vaccine side effects.

00:48:39.000 You are the craziest of kooks. 0.97

00:48:42.000 They come down you with the hardest publicity campaign. 1.00

00:48:45.000 It's so transparent.

00:48:47.000 You see it coming a mile away and you're still shocked by how blatant it is.

00:48:53.000 And no one wants to look at the actual issue itself.

00:48:56.000 And no one wants to say, like, well, is she right?

00:48:59.000 If you read your book, is she right?

00:49:02.000 If you're right, and I think you're right, like, we've been lied to.

00:49:06.000 And we've been tricked into thinking that this is all settled science.

00:49:12.000 And that's what's infuriating.

00:49:14.000 It's not that it's anti-science.

00:49:16.000 It's like, this is not science.

00:49:18.000 What you guys are doing is not science.

00:49:20.000 You've subverted, you've perverted that notion.

00:49:24.000 And you've done it in an amazing way.

00:49:27.000 I mean, hats off to you.

00:49:28.000 What they've done in terms of brainwashing people to believe that all this is...

00:49:33.000 It's not just necessary, but it saved millions of lives and anybody that is against it in any way, shape or form is a quack and you should be deplatformed and never talked about again and polite public society and cocktail parties, you'll be shunned.

00:49:47.000 Well, the way they were able to get away with it is 226 years worth of propaganda, because the fact of the matter is that ever since the beginning of the smallpox vaccines, there have been vaccine deaths.

00:49:58.000 The reason, and look, we've added, I brought you a special copy.

00:50:02.000 This is a limited edition.

00:50:04.000 In the 10th anniversary edition, we added 200 pages.

00:50:07.000 We added a chapter called The White Plague.

00:50:09.000 The White Plague is also tuberculosis.

00:50:11.000 Tuberculosis was a side effect of the...

00:50:14.000 A smallpox vaccine.

00:50:16.000 Tuberculosis rates were rampant.

00:50:18.000 In fact, the inventor of the smallpox vaccine, his child died of tuberculosis and so did his two test subjects that he used.

00:50:28.000 And it was well known to follow smallpox.

00:50:30.000 Lots of doctors talked about it.

00:50:31.000 But in about two or three years after the vaccine was accepted in England, you hear doctors speaking out about it, cursing the day they ever agreed to do it to people, to children, to anybody.

00:50:45.000 And so what happened is that the government came down harder and started making it mandatory and would take your furniture away and started intimidating the doctors.

00:50:53.000 And that's an age old thing as well.

00:50:55.000 And I experienced it in any doctor that's ever stepped out of line and said something bad about vaccines will either be intimidated or worse.

00:51:03.000 So 220 years of proper...

00:51:08.000 And so I'm just going to give you one example, and I'll give you a copy of this to have, and you can put it up later if you want.

00:51:15.000 But in 1984, because there was so much going on in terms of the public learning about the problems with the diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis vaccine and the polio vaccines, that a federal register was issued by the government and went to all health departments in the United States, which is supposed to have been just kept there and never circulated.

00:51:32.000 And it said, quote, Any doubts, whether or not well-founded, about the safety of the vaccination program must not be allowed to exist.

00:51:43.000 That's literally what it said.

00:51:45.000 It's straight out of, you know, Lennon.

00:51:49.000 So you had that, and then you have the changing of the goalposts, and the outright lies within scientism, because it's not science.

00:51:56.000 It's a religion that calls itself science, and we still are a victim of that today.

00:52:02.000 Most science today is sponsored by the very people that are going to profit from it.

00:52:08.000 Look, even Jenner, who invented the smallpox fence, he never did a scientific study.

00:52:13.000 He never did a controlled study.

00:52:15.000 He never did non-vaccinated people, vaccinated people, and then exposed them to smallpox in a large enough group.

00:52:21.000 He would cowpox them and then expose them to smallpox.

00:52:25.000 And it was well known that smallpox followed cowpox.

00:52:28.000 So it's just been...

00:52:31.000 Again, I never expected to be here.

00:52:34.000 I just wanted to be a healer.

00:52:35.000 I just wanted to be a doctor.

00:52:36.000 I wanted to be a nephrologist and teach medical students and make the world a better place for people.

00:52:40.000 That's all I ever wanted.

00:52:41.000 This is a nightmare for me, actually.

00:52:44.000 While I've met some incredible people and I've had a really good life and I have no regrets and I would do it all again, no doctor wants to be put in a position where their integrity is doubted, their sanity is doubted.

00:52:57.000 And if you want to pull up a page called...

00:53:01.000 It is called Rational Wiki, I think, maybe?

00:53:08.000 Anyway, I'm considered a Sith Lord.

00:53:12.000 And in fact, I didn't know what a Sith Lord was back then.

00:53:14.000 I had to actually look it up, so I'm like Darth Vader.

00:53:16.000 So it was a bit of a compliment.

00:53:18.000 But on the other hand, most doctors can't tolerate being called quacks or having their reputation destroyed.

00:53:23.000 And, you know, I went from treating the CEO of actually the...

00:53:28.000 The head of the laboratory at my hospital for hypertension to becoming, you know, somebody that was doubted on every levels after a while because of one thing that I said, which was, can we stop giving vaccines to my sick patients, to people who are having chemotherapy while they're having chemotherapy, to my patient before I've even seen them on the ward?

00:53:47.000 Can we just hold this up and give it to them on the day of discharge?

00:53:51.000 That was my request in the beginning.

00:53:52.000 That's how this all landed here.

00:53:54.000 And had they not tried to intimidate me, doubt me, and pushed me to research and show that what I saw was actually real, I would still be lockstep working as a regular doctor because there were some good things about it.

00:54:07.000 So, look, even if you look at what happened with COVID, let's just look at that.

00:54:11.000 Like, how did they pass this off?

00:54:13.000 Look at the media today.

00:54:14.000 Do you know that they're giving COVID vaccines to six-month-old children now?

00:54:19.000 We know how bad it is.

00:54:20.000 We know that it ruins stem cells in pregnant women. 0.83

00:54:22.000 They don't give stem cells to their babies. 0.99

00:54:24.000 The industry is upset because the placentas no longer have stem cells.

00:54:27.000 They used to use those stem cells in research and cosmetics, etc.

00:54:31.000 They're not getting them anymore because of what the COVID shots did to the placentas and those infants.

00:54:36.000 That's not being talked about in the media.

00:54:38.000 Nothing bad about the shots being talked about when we have Kevin McKernan and all these people looking at it going, there's SV40 in it.

00:54:44.000 There was a staphylococcal endotoxin gene.

00:54:46.000 There were two snake genes in there.

00:54:48.000 You know, it's a definite gain of function.

00:54:50.000 Nope. We got to put it on the vaccine, the baby vaccine schedule, because any doubts whether or not well-funded about the vaccination must not be allowed to exist.

00:54:58.000 That's why.

00:54:59.000 That sounds like a religion.

00:55:01.000 And it's been gone on.

00:55:02.000 It sounds like a cult.

00:55:02.000 It sounds like a crazy cult that the whole world's been sucked into.

00:55:06.000 Giving a COVID shot to a baby today is insane. 0.86

00:55:10.000 Three of them.

00:55:11.000 They get three.

00:55:13.000 You'd have to look up the schedule, but I believe it starts at six months and they get three of them, kind of boom, boom, boom.

00:55:18.000 Are doctors really recommending this?

00:55:20.000 It's on the...

00:55:22.000 Look, there's a group of people called ACIP, the doctors, usually with vaccine interests in their bank accounts, that make the recommendations for the vaccines.

00:55:32.000 And they have recommended that...

00:55:34.000 That's six-month-old.

00:55:35.000 So if your doctor is following the ACIP program, you have to be offered that vaccine.

00:55:40.000 And now that doctor, this is another part of the story, is that doctor is likely to lose $250,000 a year if they don't do that because there's incentive given to hospitals and doctors, which is what...

00:55:51.000 Naively, I was on the other end of when I woke up in 2008 and said, wait a minute, why are we doing this stuff to my sick, inflamed patients?

00:55:58.000 You're giving more inflammation.

00:56:00.000 It's because the hospital would lose something like $40,000 if they didn't give a vaccine within the first 24 hours of admission.

00:56:07.000 Oh my God.

00:56:09.000 And they would get $40,000.

00:56:11.000 It was all a money game.

00:56:13.000 That's really the bottom line of it.

00:56:14.000 And I didn't know that until a nurse years ago who was a high-level administration.

00:56:20.000 She said, Suzanne, this is why they did that to you. 0.99

00:56:23.000 Wow, okay.

00:56:24.000 Well, at least it makes sense now.

00:56:26.000 Nobody wants to think of it as a business.

00:56:28.000 Nobody wants to think you're making business decisions at the expense of someone's health and possibly whether or not they make it.

00:56:35.000 Like, what are you doing?

00:56:37.000 Well, that's been the case since basically the medical profession was infiltrated in the early 1900s by high-level interests that...

00:56:47.000 Didn't want us thinking for ourselves and carrying on with the natural cures that actually work, carrying on with normal midwifery. 0.66

00:56:54.000 There was just so many changes that happened as a result of best practice medicine, not to mention, you know, the forming of the AMA by a couple of real quacks. 0.99

00:57:03.000 That's a really good story.

00:57:04.000 And the AMA would give their stamp of approval.

00:57:07.000 So say you created an infant formula, well, it would say AMA approved, and your infant formula would sell even better.

00:57:13.000 Remember when doctors smoked camels because camels were best?

00:57:18.000 Those were the days.

00:57:19.000 And this is also the time when this coincides with when Rockefeller was designing the school system, right?

00:57:28.000 Well, first Rockefeller, I think oil was one of their primary investments.

00:57:31.000 So that's the pharmaceutical aspect of it.

00:57:34.000 That's right.

00:57:34.000 Yeah. Oh, so you want to talk about the school system?

00:57:36.000 No, but he did both, right?

00:57:37.000 He was a part of both.

00:57:38.000 So he was a part of the...

00:57:40.000 The reason why natural cures are so easily dismissed and why it's so dismissed, because Rockefeller put the entire medical establishment on oil-based...

00:57:49.000 That's right.

00:57:49.000 ...

00:57:49.000 so all pharmaceutical drugs that are made by using oil.

00:57:53.000 Yeah. And he did it because he sold oil.

00:57:55.000 You want to know the irony?

00:57:57.000 It's crazy.

00:57:57.000 It kind of works.

00:57:58.000 Yeah. Yeah, like I got rid of a really bad case of mange in a dog by kerosene.

00:58:03.000 Putting kerosene diluted in olive oil.

00:58:06.000 And they had been through everything.

00:58:07.000 They could not get rid of this mange on this beautiful dog.

00:58:09.000 Oh, wow.

00:58:10.000 That's crazy that that worked.

00:58:14.000 Mange is horrible for dogs.

00:58:15.000 Really bad.

00:58:16.000 But one spray, it was done.

00:58:18.000 I had a dog that I picked up.

00:58:19.000 You have to keep careful around the flames and stuff.

00:58:22.000 I had a dog that I picked up off the street and took her in.

00:58:25.000 And she had horrible mange. 0.99

00:58:27.000 But it all went away with just food.

00:58:29.000 I just gave her healthy food.

00:58:30.000 No, we can't.

00:58:31.000 Joe, come on.

00:58:32.000 You had to have an expert help you.

00:58:33.000 No kerosene.

00:58:34.000 No nothing.

00:58:35.000 Just love.

00:58:36.000 Food. That was an argument I had in the hallway once with the senior chief of medicine.

00:58:41.000 He was like, he would always say, so how are you today?

00:58:45.000 Normally be like, good, you know, superficial confidence.

00:58:46.000 I said, by the way, I'm having real trouble with, you know, the H1N1 vaccine.

00:58:51.000 My patient's getting kidney failure after getting it.

00:58:54.000 And he turned dark on me.

00:58:55.000 I never saw him dark before.

00:58:57.000 And he said, No, they just didn't have time to take effect.

00:59:01.000 And of course, then I heard every kind of soundbite in the book from him, which I didn't know were soundbites at the time.

00:59:05.000 And then he said, well, what do you think has happened with meningitis and these college kids?

00:59:09.000 I'm like, oh, come on.

00:59:10.000 That's a total no-brainer.

00:59:11.000 It's like their nutrition goes down the tubes when they leave home.

00:59:13.000 They're smoking.

00:59:14.000 They're staying up all night long.

00:59:15.000 They're hanging out with their pals.

00:59:17.000 They're doing everything they couldn't do when they were at home.

00:59:19.000 Oh, you've got to be kidding me.

00:59:20.000 So you think it's their food that's causing problems?

00:59:23.000 And I was like, well, what medical school did you go to?

00:59:26.000 I was actually taught that nutrition matters.

00:59:28.000 And how it matters and why it matters.

00:59:30.000 But that's been...

00:59:31.000 Almost completely.

00:59:32.000 If you want to sneak vitamin C into somebody's hospital room, you know the best way to do it?

00:59:37.000 Don't bring in a jar of vitamin C, because they will stop that at the door.

00:59:40.000 You get yourself a McDonald's milkshake or a burger, and you just dump that milkshake out, and you put something else in there, a smoothie with some vitamin C, and they will say, off you go.

00:59:50.000 That's perfectly fine.

00:59:51.000 That's going to be great for this person, this child.

00:59:53.000 That's how you can get it in, because they think that McDonald's is wonderful.

00:59:56.000 In fact, McDonald's are kind of situated proximal to a lot of hospitals.

01:00:00.000 Ronald McDonald houses are there and everything else.

01:00:03.000 But bring in a homeopathic or magnesium or vitamin C and you've got to get permission for it and go through so much red tape and a lot of time you'll be told, no, you can't give it because, oh, you'll cause bowel necrosis, you'll cause diarrhea, you'll cause kidney stones, everything in the book that doesn't actually happen with vitamin C. Look,

01:00:24.000 they've measured vitamin C levels on people that enter hospitals, and pretty much everybody's deficient or on the border of deficient when they enter, and pretty much everybody when they leave has got borderline scurvy.

01:00:36.000 It's not full scurvy.

01:00:39.000 Fortunately, they go home and start doing other things and can rebuild some of their vitamin C scores.

01:00:43.000 But there's a lot of subclinical scurvy walking around out there.

01:00:47.000 And those are the people that are going to do the worst with the vaccine and they're going to do the worst with the actual vaccine.

01:00:52.000 clinical scurvy in modern society just from poor diet.

01:00:56.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:00:57.000 Well, you know, it's not just the poor diet.

01:00:58.000 So any kind of stress will consume vitamin C. A cigarette will consume 75 milligrams of vitamin C and they tell you We eat 190 milligrams a day.

01:01:08.000 That's the FDA requirement.

01:01:10.000 So you just have a few cigarettes and you've depleted your stores.

01:01:14.000 So we don't make our own vitamin C as humans.

01:01:17.000 Humans and guinea pigs, you know, we don't do that.

01:01:20.000 And so we have to consume it.

01:01:22.000 And we're reliant upon our fruits and vegetables or supplements.

01:01:26.000 Or if you eat organ meat, you can eat the adrenals that are loaded with it.

01:01:29.000 But aside from that, it's your fruits and vegetables that are going to give it to you.

01:01:33.000 So if you're under a lot of stress or you're taking medication or you have a lot of inflammation or arthritis, whatever, that's going to consume vitamin C because vitamin C is an antioxidant as well as an antiviral and good for your nervous system.

01:01:47.000 So, yeah, most people are walking around skimming the edge.

01:01:52.000 You can see kind of a red line on some people's gums.

01:01:54.000 They're probably vitamin C deficient.

01:01:56.000 If your gums are bleeding a lot when you floss, you probably need some vitamin C. And, you know, you could have an infection, too.

01:02:03.000 But it will deal to the infection as well as the integrity and the collagen inside of your bones and your soft tissues.

01:02:08.000 I mean, it's like one of those things that's so important it should be given upon admission to every hospital.

01:02:12.000 And what's really crazy is if you're one of those people that thinks that all you need is a balanced diet and you're eating, like, a piece of chicken and some lettuce.

01:02:20.000 Yeah. Like, there's no vitamin C in any of that.

01:02:23.000 Or not enough.

01:02:24.000 Probably not enough, yeah.

01:02:26.000 Not enough.

01:02:26.000 Chicken and lettuce won't do it, yeah.

01:02:27.000 If you're not consuming.

01:02:29.000 Like some sort of liposomal vitamin C supplement.

01:02:33.000 If you're not taking something on top of that, you're probably not at an optimal level to survive anything.

01:02:38.000 Which is also part of why we have so many metabolic diseases.

01:02:42.000 We have bad metabolic health.

01:02:44.000 We have metabolic diseases.

01:02:46.000 It should be super obvious.

01:02:48.000 Like, oh, everyone's really unhealthy and doesn't have any nutrients in their system.

01:02:53.000 And they're all getting really sick from all these different things.

01:02:56.000 Huh. But everyone's like, no.

01:02:59.000 You need medicine.

01:03:00.000 You need a shot.

01:03:01.000 You need a this.

01:03:02.000 You need a that.

01:03:03.000 You need to get on this.

01:03:04.000 You need to get off that and get back on this.

01:03:07.000 And you're a hippie if you want to just eat kiwi fruits and get your vitamin C from that or have oranges or broccoli.

01:03:13.000 Oh my gosh, broccoli makes you a total hippie.

01:03:15.000 Or kale.

01:03:16.000 Forget about it.

01:03:18.000 Nuts. Now, see, we have a different kind of malnutrition today than we describe in the book.

01:03:24.000 Back then, it was people were toxic from basically drinking poop water and being worked to death and having diseases all around them.

01:03:33.000 And so they were protein calorie malnutrition as well as vitamin as well.

01:03:39.000 Today, we have kind of disnutrition, you know, like DYS, disnutrition, in that everyone's fat, so they don't really look malnourished.

01:03:48.000 Pretty much, you know, you go on a cruise or you go to the beach.

01:03:51.000 Even skinny people have big bellies now. 0.99

01:03:53.000 Big belly is the thing. 1.00

01:03:54.000 What was that?

01:03:55.000 I said go to Bert Kreischer's house.

01:03:56.000 Who was that?

01:03:57.000 That's my friend.

01:03:58.000 He's going to hate that you don't know who he is.

01:04:02.000 But, you know, so today we've got inflamed guts from, you know, glyphosate and, you know, the wheat that's been altered to make us inflamed and then just the chemicals that are added to our food and the vitamins that actually don't help us and set us back that are fortifying our, you know, bread and milk and lack of vitamin D. So we have a different kind of a problem but essentially causing the same bodily dysfunction.

01:04:24.000 Yeah, the wheat thing I used to think was nonsense until I ate pasta and bread in Italy.

01:04:31.000 And I was like, okay, why do I feel so much better?

01:04:34.000 Yeah. Why do I not feel like I just ate poison?

01:04:36.000 Because I love, like, pizza.

01:04:38.000 Yeah, who doesn't?

01:04:40.000 I love lasagna.

01:04:42.000 I love it.

01:04:43.000 I love it.

01:04:44.000 It's so good.

01:04:44.000 But after it's over, I'm, like, I'm incapacitated for, like, an hour or two.

01:04:51.000 For, like, a two-hour period, you just, like...

01:04:54.000 A shadow of yourself.

01:04:56.000 You think, oh, maybe it's just the high carbs, but you just proved that it wasn't because in Italy you were okay with it.

01:05:02.000 I ate a whole pizza in Italy and I was waiting for it.

01:05:04.000 I was like, I'm going to eat this margarita pizza.

01:05:06.000 It's so good.

01:05:07.000 They made it in a brick oven.

01:05:08.000 I was like, this is so good.

01:05:10.000 I'm eating the whole pizza.

01:05:11.000 I don't care.

01:05:11.000 I don't care what it's going to feel like afterwards.

01:05:13.000 I ate that whole pizza and then I was like, where is it?

01:05:16.000 Is it coming?

01:05:17.000 It never came.

01:05:19.000 Never came.

01:05:19.000 I felt normal.

01:05:20.000 I felt like I just ate food.

01:05:21.000 I was like, this is nuts.

01:05:23.000 Like, no crash.

01:05:24.000 Yeah. Bread in Scandinavia, same.

01:05:27.000 That's what people used to eat.

01:05:28.000 People don't know that, what's that?

01:05:30.000 I said, that's what people used to eat.

01:05:31.000 It is, like real food, real grain.

01:05:32.000 People need to understand, like, what they did was, and this is according to Maynard from Tool.

01:05:39.000 Do you know Maynard Keenan, the lead singer of Tool?

01:05:41.000 No. He actually runs a farm.

01:05:43.000 He has vineyards and he has like, Caduceus is his wine label and he's like really good at growing things because he has a restaurant.

01:05:53.000 He was explaining to me that what they did is they just engineered it to have higher yield.

01:05:57.000 So they put more, it's got more complex glutens in it.

01:06:00.000 So it's not the normal organic wheat that grows in Italy where they don't have genetically modified crops.

01:06:06.000 Right. So you can still get that flour and you can still get that.

01:06:10.000 Pasta from Italy, and it's much more consumable.

01:06:13.000 Yeah, definitely.

01:06:13.000 But the American stuff is just thick.

01:06:16.000 Your body's like, what is this?

01:06:19.000 It just comes in like sludge.

01:06:21.000 It is interesting.

01:06:21.000 It feels like I hate glue.

01:06:22.000 That's what it always feels like.

01:06:23.000 Unless it's really good sourdough bread.

01:06:26.000 That doesn't seem to have that.

01:06:28.000 Yeah. Yeah, I kind of agree.

01:06:29.000 Like, I'm not gluten sensitive, but I definitely feel more awake when I don't have it.

01:06:33.000 Yeah, it's not good for you.

01:06:35.000 It's good on holiday or when you want to go to sleep.

01:06:36.000 But it's so delicious.

01:06:36.000 I know, I know.

01:06:37.000 It's so delicious.

01:06:38.000 But this is also a problem.

01:06:40.000 And this goes back to when R.J. Reynolds was going through all their stuff with the lawsuits that were coming from people realizing, oh my god, cigarettes give you cancer?

01:06:49.000 They're not good to, like, smoke if you have emphysema?

01:06:51.000 I thought they were good for you.

01:06:52.000 Add some arsenic and it'd be great.

01:06:54.000 There was a movie, and I forget what movie it was.

01:06:58.000 Thank you for smoking.

01:07:00.000 Well, there's that.

01:07:01.000 There was a movie where Leonardo DiCaprio was young and he was sick.

01:07:07.000 And his doctor was prescribing cigarettes to him.

01:07:10.000 And the mother was saying, did you smoke your cigarettes that the doctor told you?

01:07:15.000 You're not smoking.

01:07:16.000 You need to keep up your health.

01:07:18.000 Well, you know there's something to that.

01:07:20.000 Because you know about the nicotinic receptors.

01:07:21.000 And you know the smokers got less COVID than the rest of us.

01:07:24.000 I did hear about that.

01:07:26.000 There's definitely a protective effect.

01:07:27.000 Well, also, doesn't nicotine kill COVID?

01:07:29.000 People were saying that nicotine...

01:07:31.000 No. So that's what it is?

01:07:32.000 That's how it kills it?

01:07:33.000 Well, what happens?

01:07:35.000 The spike of COVID, which is the evil part of COVID, has all these horrible lab-engineered proteins encoded into them, and two of them are snake toxin proteins that bind onto your nicotinic receptors.

01:07:49.000 So if you can smoke nicotine or take nicotine gum, then you're going to block those receptors up so you can trade off some of the stuff that's from the spike.

01:07:58.000 What about nicotine pouches?

01:08:00.000 If you're having long COVID or any kind of post-COVID syndrome that's related to the nicotinic receptors, you only know by trying it.

01:08:10.000 But listen, I always say start small.

01:08:12.000 Don't go out and be a hero and take a whole dose at once.

01:08:15.000 Start with a quarter of whatever it says and wait.

01:08:19.000 Yeah. Because nicotine's a powerful drug.

01:08:21.000 Try a cigar.

01:08:23.000 Pick up the cigar habit.

01:08:24.000 Yeah, there you go.

01:08:24.000 It's a wonderful habit.

01:08:26.000 Yeah, that was an uncomfortable thing in the beginning of COVID.

01:08:30.000 They were saying that, for some reason, smokers seem to be having a much easier go of it.

01:08:34.000 Like, what?

01:08:35.000 How do you have a respiratory disease where smokers are, statistically speaking, getting less COVID?

01:08:42.000 Yeah, well, I mean, I've been around.

01:08:44.000 I did a tour one time, and there were two.

01:08:46.000 Heavy, heavy smokers on the bus with me, and they were the only two people that didn't come down with whatever flu all the rest of us got.

01:08:53.000 Not even that flu couldn't even live in their throats.

01:08:57.000 It kind of makes sense if you think about it.

01:09:00.000 Well, it changes the polarity of your mucous membranes, the charge of the cells on your mucous membranes, and that's probably part of why even the viruses can't adhere properly.

01:09:08.000 We're not encouraging cigarettes.

01:09:10.000 No, we're not at all.

01:09:11.000 But we are saying it's got some benefits.

01:09:12.000 But if you are, it should be non-cured, naturally cured.

01:09:15.000 Oh, like American spirits?

01:09:16.000 Yes. Like those kind of deals?

01:09:18.000 I get all my smoking friends to convert to that brand.

01:09:20.000 Does that help?

01:09:21.000 Totally. Come on, are you kidding me?

01:09:23.000 You know how many horrible carcinogens there are?

01:09:25.000 Do you know back in the native days when they were smoking and people were smoking natural cigarettes, it was almost unheard of for them to develop lung cancer with a natural tobacco.

01:09:34.000 American Spirit cigarettes are not healthier.

01:09:37.000 No, I'm sorry.

01:09:37.000 They're absolutely wrong.

01:09:38.000 It is.

01:09:38.000 It's marketed as natural and additive-free, which may lead people to believe that they are a safer option.

01:09:43.000 However, there's no scientific evidence to support this claim.

01:09:46.000 They may even have higher levels of nicotine than some other brands.

01:09:49.000 But the nicotine is not the problem.

01:09:51.000 That's exactly right.

01:09:52.000 Just by them saying that there, that leads me to think that this might be propaganda.

01:09:56.000 Because saying that nicotine is not the problem, or rather saying that they might have more nicotine.

01:10:03.000 Oh, this is the AI overview.

01:10:03.000 Okay. But I understand.

01:10:06.000 But AI should understand that nicotine...

01:10:08.000 Ask Tony Hinscliffe.

01:10:09.000 He smokes that.

01:10:10.000 I know.

01:10:11.000 I know he does.

01:10:12.000 I'm just saying AI doesn't make sense.

01:10:14.000 What doesn't make sense is that it's saying they might have more nicotine, but that doesn't matter.

01:10:18.000 They're not addressing the actual question.

01:10:20.000 I was just using that to skip time to save time so we don't have to go through the water.

01:10:22.000 Oh, no, no, no.

01:10:22.000 I'm not saying to you.

01:10:23.000 I'm just saying to them. 0.98

01:10:24.000 Like, what they're writing seems to kind of be silly.

01:10:28.000 Marketing of American spirits as natural can create a false sense of healthiness.

01:10:32.000 Which may make it more difficult for people to quit smoking.

01:10:35.000 I think smoking companies wrote this.

01:10:37.000 I think the other companies fed this information.

01:10:40.000 Do you love the packages that have the people spitting up blood on the packages and stuff?

01:10:44.000 Do you see that, right?

01:10:45.000 Oh, in England, you get those?

01:10:46.000 No, they have it now.

01:10:46.000 Oh, they have it in America here?

01:10:47.000 Do they not have it?

01:10:48.000 They used to have it in America.

01:10:49.000 In England, you go to England and they had photos of people with like rotten faces.

01:10:53.000 That's right.

01:10:53.000 That's where I first saw it.

01:10:53.000 But it's moved to the rest of the...

01:10:54.000 I know it's hilarious.

01:10:56.000 It's like, are they still buy them and smoke them?

01:10:58.000 Well, the interesting thing is, and I'm glad you brought this up, is just cancer in general.

01:11:04.000 Like, there's things that cause cancer that they're just everywhere, and there's a lot of things in the environment that can cause cancer.

01:11:16.000 But sometimes things get into medications that can cause cancer.

01:11:20.000 And what is SV40?

01:11:24.000 I just wrote down SV40 while you were talking.

01:11:27.000 And I'm just going to give you an example of what you're saying is correct.

01:11:31.000 And the fact of the matter is that all cancers in humanity have gone up since the inception of vaccination.

01:11:36.000 And my opinion, my educated opinion, is that our lifespan should be 120 years.

01:11:41.000 And I think with the knowledge that we have and the wealth that we have on this planet, the ingenuity we have on this planet, we should be able to be touching the 120-year mark more commonly than we do.

01:11:51.000 So when vaccines started...

01:11:53.000 Coming into humanity, we started introducing animal disease into humanity through the skin. 0.99

01:11:59.000 And then we started doing intermuscular injections after the hypodermic needle was created.

01:12:04.000 And then you started having deeper injections of animal disease and of chemicals and mercuries and things like that.

01:12:12.000 So along comes polio research.

01:12:15.000 And the polio vaccine, even to this day, is made on African green monkey kidney cells. 0.87

01:12:22.000 Now the African green monkey kidneys early on were basically taken out of their wild habitat in India, and millions of monkeys were brought to the USA for use.

01:12:32.000 Unbeknownst to them, and discovered by a scientist named Dr. Bernice Eddy, is that there was a cancer-causing entity inside of the...

01:12:44.000 The substrate that they were using to make the vaccine on the Petri dishes.

01:12:48.000 And that entity was Simeon Virus 40 SV40, called SV40 because before there were 39 others discovered before it.

01:12:55.000 Now we're up over 100.

01:12:59.000 Information was suppressed heavily.

01:13:00.000 Bernice Eddy was offered a ticket to wherever she wanted to go and as much money as she wanted, and she said, no, I'm staying.

01:13:05.000 Long story short, they just kept taking her away from her work and distracting her, and there was another doctor, J. Anthony Morris, as well.

01:13:12.000 Anyway, so SV-40 was around, and then Maurice Hilleman validated it later and said it came from the African green monkey kidneys.

01:13:19.000 Now, it's benign in the African green monkey, SV-40.

01:13:23.000 It is not benign in human beings.

01:13:25.000 In human beings, it was called the perfect war machine by Dr. Dr. Michelle Carboni, who was one of the primary researchers looking at the carcinogenic potential of simian virus 40. So simian virus 40 would have been in the live polio vaccines because there was nothing to kill it, but it was most likely also in the killed.

01:13:43.000 And African green monkey cells are actually still a listed ingredient on vaccines.

01:13:48.000 So you can go ahead and look that up.

01:13:50.000 It's a fact.

01:13:51.000 So how this affects me is that I'm a kidney specialist, and I looked at the curve of kidney cancers that have gone up since the inception of polio vaccines and SV40 introduction.

01:14:05.000 So what this virus does is it enhances two cancer-promoting genes, and it inhibits two cancer suppressors.

01:14:15.000 Okay. That's why it's called the perfect war machine. 0.78

01:14:17.000 So that was in the vaccines that were injected.

01:14:20.000 And so the bad news is that we don't need vaccines to give it to us anymore because we're going to give it to each other forever and it's never going anywhere.

01:14:27.000 That was introduced to humanity like a lot of other diseases were through vaccination.

01:14:31.000 We can give it to our kids.

01:14:32.000 We can give it to each other.

01:14:33.000 It comes out in the urine.

01:14:36.000 It lives in the green monkey kidneys.

01:14:37.000 It lives in our kidneys.

01:14:39.000 As a kidney specialist, there are a lot of mysterious diseases.

01:14:42.000 Lo and behold, there was some research into some of them, and this is the other thing.

01:14:47.000 The research that's really important just gets killed.

01:14:50.000 The funding gets killed.

01:14:51.000 In terms of SV40 kidney cancers, there's no doubt that the rate of kidney cancers has gone up alongside with the...

01:14:58.000 with the infection rate of humanity for SV40 as well as diseases like glomerulonephritis which they do find the pathogen Genetic material inside.

01:15:09.000 And even in the old days, they found it in the tumors, but not the surrounding areas.

01:15:14.000 So that just tells you that it was a stimulant for the tumor cells to just start propagating.

01:15:19.000 So that's just one of the things that...

01:15:22.000 That's just one of many, many of the obvious ones.

01:15:24.000 And even though it's been well-defined in the medical literature, you will still see that they only admit that it causes mesotheliomas and one other thing, not that it causes all the other things that it does, that it's been shown to cause in the other medical literature.

01:15:40.000 So SV40 is now contagious amongst people?

01:15:44.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:15:44.000 Yeah. We probably both have it.

01:15:47.000 Most of us probably have had it one time or other, you know, whether it's lying dormant in our kidneys.

01:15:53.000 Everything depends on your background immunity, which depends on what you're doing for fun and not fun and how you're eating and how much you're sleeping, etc., how much sun you're getting, sweating.

01:16:04.000 Sweating gets rid of a lot of stuff.

01:16:05.000 It's really good to sweat.

01:16:08.000 It's just such a disturbing thought that this was introduced to people through vaccines and now is spreading.

01:16:14.000 And what's the worst health impact that it could have if it spreads to you and not through a vaccine?

01:16:19.000 If you didn't get it through this vaccine and you just get it from another person?

01:16:25.000 Oh, it's the same thing.

01:16:26.000 It's not going to make much difference in terms of it'll gravitate to your kidneys.

01:16:30.000 Obviously, it probably goes to lung as well.

01:16:33.000 Brain tumors were a big problem with it.

01:16:35.000 Back in the polio days, Dr. Michelle Carboni was looking at the brain tumors with that. 0.99

01:16:41.000 There's a really good book called The Virus and the Vaccine by Bookchin and Schumacher.

01:16:44.000 It's an incredible book that details everything about those years, the scientists involved, the suppression, the oppression, the lies, the skullduggery.

01:16:53.000 Then they would bring in the scientists who had no experience in actually detecting SV40, and lo and behold, he couldn't find it.

01:16:59.000 And he was the one that got to make the ultimate statement on whether.

01:17:02.000 SV40 causes human disease or not.

01:17:07.000 How could they keep injecting that into people if they know this?

01:17:10.000 Oh, and the stocks that contained SV40 were still...

01:17:15.000 Basically being used by the vaccine manufacturers up into the 1990s and probably beyond, because there's two different kinds of SV40.

01:17:23.000 You're making me remember a whole bunch of things that I thought I forgot.

01:17:26.000 But there's the fast dividing and there's the slow dividing.

01:17:30.000 There's two different kind of strains of it.

01:17:32.000 And the original test, so when they made a vaccine, they would test it for 14 days looking for SV40.

01:17:37.000 If it didn't have it, off you went and your vaccine was good to go.

01:17:42.000 The problem is there was a slower dividing SV40 that remained in the vaccines that were injected and probably in the stocks.

01:17:48.000 The stock is basically like your mother tincture or whatever.

01:17:52.000 It's what you use to kind of inoculate all the new batches over time.

01:17:56.000 And so the stocks were found.

01:17:58.000 Again, quote, Attorney Stanley Copps quote in the book about the SV40 still being in the stock up and through the 1990s.

01:18:07.000 And, you know, God only knows if it's still...

01:18:10.000 If they're still using those same stocks, I don't know, because I haven't gone into the more modern times of SV40.

01:18:16.000 But yeah, we all have it, and there's no doubt in my mind that it's just like another one of the things that the parasites have finally pretty much put into us to set us back.

01:18:26.000 Demons. It's like real-world demons.

01:18:31.000 It's so crazy that someone would know this and still have this as an ingredient in a vaccine.

01:18:38.000 Well, they'll say that it was just an unfortunate set of events that happened because they took wild monkeys from India. 0.99

01:18:44.000 See, I could work for them.

01:18:45.000 That's their excuse.

01:18:46.000 And they say, we cleaned it up.

01:18:48.000 You know, we started our own monkey colonies and we started breeding our own monkey colonies that were now found to be free of SV40.

01:18:54.000 The only problem with that is that, as I said, they had already inoculated humanity.

01:18:59.000 And it's with a virus that can be spread vertically and horizontally, as the scientists would describe, meaning we've all given it to each other.

01:19:07.000 There are going to be very few people walking around today that haven't been introduced to it.

01:19:11.000 Have there ever been a comparison of cancer rates pre-SV40 and post-SV40?

01:19:18.000 Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

01:19:19.000 That's what I did.

01:19:21.000 And one of my videos, I did that and looked at the cancer rates since they were, you know, so again, what they'll say is, well, we just didn't look at the rates beforehand, but the rates were quite low before.

01:19:32.000 You can know what the surgical, what the nephrectomies were.

01:19:35.000 So it's kind of an easy thing to look at because that's the treatment for kidney cancer.

01:19:39.000 You take the kidney out because you've got another kidney and it's a slow-growing tumor, even though it can metastasize.

01:19:45.000 But anyway, I did look at it.

01:19:48.000 The rate has skyrocketed for kidney cancers.

01:19:52.000 Pretty much everybody knows somebody who had a kidney cancer.

01:19:54.000 And that was not common?

01:19:57.000 No. Thank you.

01:19:59.000 Thank you.

01:20:00.000 And also these protein-losing diseases, which is, again, it's not controversial.

01:20:04.000 It was documented when they looked at the areas that were affected in the kidney with these horrible disease that makes people lose the proteins that need to stay in their blood, in their body, out into their urine, that the SV40 was related to that.

01:20:18.000 It's called focal and segmental glomerulosclerosis, and it's a real problematic disease in children and adults.

01:20:24.000 Ultimately, you have to go on horrible chemotherapy drugs that ruin your immune system and then transplant.

01:20:30.000 If you can't stay on top of it.

01:20:32.000 Big moneymaker.

01:20:34.000 Now, do I think that that was the purpose?

01:20:36.000 Look, I don't know what was in the hearts and minds.

01:20:38.000 I don't know what was accidental and what wasn't.

01:20:40.000 But I do know that there was intentional suppression of the truth.

01:20:43.000 Any doubts whether or not well-funded must not be allowed to exist.

01:20:47.000 That is a fact, and it's always been that way.

01:20:49.000 And there have been scientists and doctors talking about that since the beginning of vaccination.

01:20:54.000 It's just too horrible to believe for most people, I think.

01:20:58.000 Yes, you're correct.

01:20:59.000 It goes against religious dogma, especially with people that are firmly on the left, trusting the science and trusting the experts.

01:21:10.000 Those are two things at the front.

01:21:12.000 It's kind of a childlike...

01:21:14.000 The situation that most of humanity is in is that I think most people are good and they want to believe everybody else is good.

01:21:21.000 And they want to believe that the government is looking out for them.

01:21:24.000 And it's a kind of horrifying...

01:21:26.000 Imagine if it was true that your government actually wasn't looking out for you and that might be one of the causes of your decreasing lifespan.

01:21:33.000 Imagine that if the government might not care so much if your baby ends up with no stem cells or your baby gets cancer or autism, which will be outright...

01:21:41.000 I mean, look at autism.

01:21:43.000 Hello. Like, do we?

01:21:44.000 How many?

01:21:46.000 I don't even know where to start with that.

01:21:47.000 But that was another thing where there was no doubt.

01:21:51.000 Whether or not well-funded, allowed to exist, what came to autism.

01:21:55.000 And every autistic parent, parent of an autistic child will tell you this.

01:21:59.000 Everyone that's tried to lobby and get to the truth with autism will tell you that the brick walls and the plexiglass and the lead walls that went down were intense and still are intense.

01:22:10.000 And the lying studies that they use to uphold vaccines don't cause autism are so easy to dismantle.

01:22:17.000 But you know, Joe, you know, the lie gets around the earth three times before.

01:22:21.000 Or the truth has a chance to get out of bed.

01:22:22.000 And that's pretty much what happens when the media is owned.

01:22:27.000 And you're like one of the cracks in the matrix here, quite frankly.

01:22:31.000 I think for a lot of people it's too horrible to believe, especially if they have an autistic child, that this was caused by a vaccine.

01:22:39.000 I know a guy who told me that he believes the vaccine had an impact on his child.

01:22:46.000 Having autism and then later was shaming people for not taking the COVID vaccine.

01:22:52.000 That's how strong the impulse is and that's how good the propaganda was.

01:22:59.000 And that's how cowardly a lot of people are when it comes to fighting against a narrative.

01:23:05.000 They get very scared of being socially ostracized, and they can't speak their mind.

01:23:10.000 They can't tell the truth, and they'll whisper it to maybe this one guy that they're friends with, like, hey, you know, I don't want to take it, man, but I have to for work.

01:23:17.000 Like, yeah, I don't trust them either.

01:23:18.000 But, you know, shh, don't tell anybody I said that.

01:23:21.000 You know, you don't want anybody thinking you're on the bad side.

01:23:23.000 And we all saw the propaganda on television.

01:23:25.000 There's some amazing montages that people put together.

01:23:29.000 of people saying horrible things about the unvaccinated people.

01:23:34.000 Horrible things.

01:23:35.000 Saying that it may be ghoulish to laugh when unvaccinated people die, but it might be necessary. 1.00

01:23:43.000 Like what?

01:23:44.000 A few of us have to take one for the team.

01:23:46.000 It was just the weirdest propaganda campaign and people were doing the job of the man.

01:23:52.000 It wasn't the man forcing the people to do this thing.

01:23:56.000 It was people doing the job of the man.

01:23:59.000 And going after the people that hadn't stepped in line.

01:24:02.000 And I think for a lot of people, it's like they felt terrible that they had to do it.

01:24:06.000 But if they did it, now I'm righteous.

01:24:08.000 Now I'm on the good side.

01:24:10.000 Why don't you do it too, man? 0.99

01:24:11.000 I fucking did it. 0.99

01:24:12.000 You should do it too. 1.00

01:24:13.000 You're fucking selfish. 1.00

01:24:14.000 You get a lot of that. 1.00

01:24:16.000 You know, you get a lot of people who they know they made a mistake and they want you to make that mistake too, you know?

01:24:21.000 Yeah, it would be good to know what really goes through their heads.

01:24:23.000 I think COVID was, again, it was unique.

01:24:26.000 But when you talk to parents who have autistic children, the vast majority of them not only know absolutely without a doubt that their child became autistic, usually within 24 to 48 hours after a certain vaccine, but that every doctor told them it wasn't the case.

01:24:43.000 And then they go digging deep into the scientific literature and learn how to sometimes resuscitate that child's brain or detox them and then recover them.

01:24:50.000 And then they're actually beaten up even worse for doing that because they're just neurodiverse, you know.

01:24:57.000 There's nothing wrong with your child.

01:24:58.000 They're just quirky.

01:24:59.000 No, your child banging its head against the wall, walking around with a baby bottle and a diaper at the age of 18, your big hairy son doing that, that is not neurodiverse quirkiness.

01:25:08.000 That is a serious pathological disease that probably could have been dealt to at the time and should have been prevented.

01:25:13.000 It should have never happened.

01:25:15.000 So most parents that have that situation are on fire.

01:25:18.000 It's a minority that will say, Have the situation that you have right now.

01:25:22.000 Most of them, that's a wake-up call, which is why they get beat up and suppressed even worse than I do.

01:25:28.000 But when it comes to COVID, the psychological campaign, I think, was very effective in that people that I would have never imagined took the jab, like friends of mine who I, in a million years, I would have bet my life that they would say no to it, ended up getting it, didn't want it, were really upset about it later, but nonetheless did it.

01:25:47.000 Had they read your book?

01:25:48.000 Yes! See, I didn't lose any friends during COVID because I had already lost them back in 2009.

01:25:54.000 My family and friends were solid.

01:25:56.000 My tribe is here.

01:26:00.000 I still love this person.

01:26:02.000 And she's really upset about it.

01:26:04.000 But it just shows you that the psychological campaign to get into that person's brain was really...

01:26:11.000 But I don't know about you, but I never had a doubt.

01:26:15.000 I was like, well, you're going to shut me down?

01:26:17.000 Shut me down.

01:26:18.000 Stop me from traveling?

01:26:19.000 Go ahead, stop me from traveling.

01:26:20.000 I hadn't read your book yet.

01:26:21.000 And I was all gung-ho to get the vaccine.

01:26:25.000 And the UFC had allocated 150-something vaccines for all their employees who were doing shows during the pandemic.

01:26:32.000 So I showed up in Vegas, asked for the shot.

01:26:36.000 They said I couldn't do it.

01:26:37.000 I had to do it on Monday at the clinic.

01:26:39.000 I couldn't do it at the UFC.

01:26:40.000 I was like, okay, fine.

01:26:42.000 And they said, can you come back in two weeks and do it during the next UFC fight?

01:26:46.000 I said, fine, I'll do it then.

01:26:47.000 During that time, it got pulled from the market.

01:26:50.000 For blood clots.

01:26:51.000 Which one?

01:26:52.000 Which jab was it?

01:26:52.000 Johnson& Johnson.

01:26:53.000 Okay. And then two people I knew who got it had strokes.

01:26:56.000 Okay. In that two weeks?

01:26:58.000 Yes. Well, you've got a few angels, don't you?

01:27:00.000 Yeah. And I was like, hold on.

01:27:02.000 And then my whole family got it.

01:27:03.000 There was like a bunch of things that happened.

01:27:05.000 My whole family got it and everybody was fine.

01:27:06.000 And I didn't get it.

01:27:08.000 And I was trying to get it. 0.99

01:27:09.000 Like, I had sex with my wife. 0.99

01:27:11.000 I hugged my kids. 0.99

01:27:12.000 You mean you didn't get COVID?

01:27:13.000 No, I didn't get it.

01:27:13.000 But you didn't get the jab either?

01:27:15.000 No. Yeah.

01:27:15.000 No. But I didn't get it first time around.

01:27:18.000 I was like, this is crazy.

01:27:19.000 There was two days when I went to the...

01:27:21.000 Because I was trying to get it.

01:27:22.000 Which sounds horrible, but I was like...

01:27:24.000 You're not allowed to not get it, Joe.

01:27:25.000 I just wanted to get over it.

01:27:26.000 Like, my kids got over it so fast.

01:27:28.000 Like, my one daughter was one day, she had kind of a headache, and she tested for COVID.

01:27:32.000 She thought it was hilarious.

01:27:33.000 She started laughing. 0.97

01:27:35.000 You know, she's like, oh my God, I have COVID.

01:27:36.000 But we had already told them, it's not dangerous for kids.

01:27:38.000 Don't worry about it at all.

01:27:40.000 You know, because there was a lot of kids that were talking about getting vaccinated.

01:27:42.000 I'm like, you are not getting...

01:27:44.000 For them, I was like, no way.

01:27:46.000 Like, it's not...

01:27:47.000 I'll do it if I have to work.

01:27:48.000 But what made you say no way?

01:27:49.000 Like, what did you think about it that you didn't even want your child to get it just in case?

01:27:53.000 Totally unnecessary.

01:27:54.000 So no need to risk it.

01:27:56.000 Totally unnecessary.

01:27:57.000 They got COVID.

01:27:58.000 They got over it like that.

01:27:59.000 But what risk did you think they would have?

01:28:00.000 Before the vaccine.

01:28:01.000 But this is before the vaccine.

01:28:02.000 So after that, I was like, there's no way.

01:28:04.000 Because there was pressure from their friends to get vaccinated.

01:28:07.000 I was like, you're not getting vaccinated.

01:28:09.000 You have seven times better immunity than someone who gets vaccinated, which is proof.

01:28:14.000 And this is just antibodies, right?

01:28:16.000 And you enlightened me in your book to the fact that there's cellular immunity that's different than just antibodies.

01:28:23.000 Antibodies is one type of immunity to things, right?

01:28:26.000 That's right.

01:28:28.000 It's that TH2 slant that we were talking about.

01:28:30.000 For me, with my kids, it's like they're vaccinated.

01:28:33.000 But we did it on a delayed schedule because that's what my doctor recommended.

01:28:36.000 And we had a really good pediatrician.

01:28:38.000 And it worked out great.

01:28:39.000 They're fine.

01:28:40.000 But I was a little worried.

01:28:42.000 I thought it was...

01:28:43.000 Quack-like to be worried. 1.00

01:28:45.000 Like, this is science.

01:28:46.000 Worried about what?

01:28:47.000 About what vaccines could do to the kids.

01:28:49.000 The regular ones.

01:28:49.000 Absolutely. And the schedule, the way they wanted to just bang them up, like, real quick.

01:28:54.000 And with weird ones, like the hepatitis B one, that one was like...

01:28:59.000 When I hear that, I'm like, what are you talking about?

01:29:01.000 You're going to give a kid for a sexually transmitted disease, a vaccine when they're a baby?

01:29:05.000 A one-day-old baby.

01:29:06.000 That's crazy.

01:29:07.000 And also, is their immune system even working right?

01:29:11.000 I mean, will it even accept this and turn it into an antibody?

01:29:16.000 Have you proved that?

01:29:18.000 Like, you're just jabbing kids?

01:29:20.000 They're proving that the infant will make antibody, and that's all they ever have to prove.

01:29:23.000 What they don't ever want to prove is that when you give, like, say your child had gotten a COVID vaccine, there's something called original antigenic sin.

01:29:32.000 They changed the term to linked epitope suppression.

01:29:34.000 It happens with flu shots.

01:29:35.000 It happens with lots of different vaccines, is that if you program your body to attack, you know, the strain of vaccine that you're...

01:29:43.000 A virus, rather, that you are injecting against and then a different strain comes along.

01:29:48.000 It actually has negative efficacy.

01:29:49.000 You are the one that's more likely to succumb to terrible problems from the infection than because of your vaccine rather than it actually protecting you.

01:29:57.000 And that's been a well-known...

01:29:59.000 Look, Anthony Fauci writes about it.

01:30:00.000 Morin's and Fauci wrote a paper basically admitting everything, I think it was in 2023 or 2024, about these shots.

01:30:07.000 And he said the COVID shots are exactly the same as the flu shots.

01:30:10.000 Despite that, despite Fauci and Morin's talking about how these shots would never have been licensed if they were held to the same standards of DPT, etc., etc., that they don't provide lung immunity, they only provide blood immunity, negative efficacy, their conclusion at the end of it is that we must make better vaccines, more effective vaccines, to add to the already existing vaccine program.

01:30:30.000 It's not that we shouldn't do this.

01:30:32.000 It's not that we should pull this off the market.

01:30:34.000 That's always the logic.

01:30:36.000 Again, they never will admit to any problem with vaccines to take it off the market.

01:30:42.000 It's always adding to it, not removing a vaccine.

01:30:45.000 Okay, you think it was bad?

01:30:46.000 Let's start six months now.

01:30:48.000 Six-month-old babies with parents that are just like you back in the day going, okay, if you really think it's necessary because, oh, granny doesn't want to catch COVID, we're going to do it.

01:30:57.000 Yeah, that was the logic.

01:30:59.000 Worry about granny. 0.99

01:31:00.000 But, you know, this is the Great Barrington Declaration, right?

01:31:03.000 Where those guys were like, why don't we take the people that are vulnerable and isolate them and treat them and care for them and not worry so much about everybody else and not shut society down because it's going to have profound impacts.

01:31:18.000 And they were called kooks.

01:31:20.000 And that's what's crazy.

01:31:21.000 It's like during the censorship was so rampant that Prominent scientists and physicians were removed from the social conversation because they disagreed.

01:31:36.000 That's always been the case, though.

01:31:38.000 But what's happening on social media, and it's so transparent, these people getting removed from Twitter, you're like, this is wild.

01:31:47.000 Then you find out that the government's involved, and the government contacted them and asked them to take things down.

01:31:52.000 You're like, what are you saying?

01:31:56.000 This is nuts.

01:31:57.000 Medical papers were retracted.

01:31:59.000 I mean, there's this one guy named Pradhan, P-R-A-D-H-A-N, who he showed that there is a GP120 protein on the spike. 0.99

01:32:10.000 And he said it was an uncanny similarity to the GP120 and HIV, and that there was no way that that would have come out of nowhere and showed up in the 2019 COVID epidemic.

01:32:21.000 And he showed genetically how that just couldn't possibly happen.

01:32:25.000 A flurry of emails went through the CDC and to NIAD and to Fauci, and within six days of that paper being in preprint, it was removed.

01:32:34.000 Six days.

01:32:35.000 And we've got access from the Freedom of Information Act to some of those emails.

01:32:39.000 They're a bit heavily redacted.

01:32:41.000 But that was the series of events that happened with that, because any doubts whether or not well-founded.

01:32:48.000 All the things you said about the COVID vaccine, I'm sure, are correct and true.

01:32:52.000 But isn't it also different than the vaccine that they used in the test?

01:32:57.000 Yes. The vaccine that was produced for the general public, I believe at least when it comes to Pfizer, they used magnetic beads for purification, which was totally different to what they did for the one they gave to us.

01:33:12.000 And they produced it using, I can't remember exactly how they produced it, but they didn't use plasmids and they didn't use all the different...

01:33:23.000 I have a slide on that somewhere that I could show you about.

01:33:26.000 There were two aspects of the test vaccine that were very different.

01:33:30.000 It was both the production, how they produced it, and how they, quote, purified it.

01:33:36.000 And what's the significance of the differences?

01:33:38.000 Like, did they do it to save money?

01:33:40.000 They just didn't have the plasmid.

01:33:42.000 They wouldn't have had the lipopolysaccharide with the DNA from the E. coli that was in there that they told would never get past our deltoid muscle and would be disintegrated.

01:33:51.000 Well, lipopolysaccharide actually is a transit protein that can bring everything right through your cells.

01:33:57.000 Our cells are made of, it's like a lipid on the outside.

01:34:00.000 So that was the whole purpose, was to shuttle this into your cells.

01:34:06.000 The vaccine produced...

01:34:08.000 The plasmid part of the vaccine that's injected into you, the messenger RNA, has a substitution for something called uridine.

01:34:15.000 They call it pseudouridine.

01:34:16.000 And pseudouridine was put in there because they didn't want the immune system to destroy the vaccine too quickly.

01:34:22.000 They wanted it to really be able to take hold of your body so you could have a strong response.

01:34:26.000 Well, that's one of the reasons why vaccinated people had such, you know, horrible time with actual coronavirus when it did come.

01:34:34.000 And one of the reasons why you didn't, maybe you were exposed.

01:34:37.000 I don't know if you've had an antibody level tested.

01:34:40.000 But again, that's another long history thing is people who don't get sick while everyone else is have been accused of witchcraft and sorcerers in the past and sometimes hunted down and killed.

01:34:51.000 In the times of smallpox, the groups of people that were into cleanliness, that was a real problem for them.

01:34:58.000 I did do nasal swabs to see if I had any antibodies.

01:35:03.000 I did do that and I didn't.

01:35:05.000 Well, that won't tell you antibodies.

01:35:06.000 That's a PCR.

01:35:07.000 That would be your PCR test or your rapid.

01:35:10.000 Which one did you do?

01:35:11.000 The one that goes to the rapid antigen test.

01:35:13.000 But that's only going to tell you if you've got active in your nose.

01:35:17.000 What you want to know is if your immune system...

01:35:18.000 Again, there's a good use for antibodies sometimes.

01:35:21.000 It's not the end-all and be-all in terms of your immunity, but it will show that you have had an experience inside of your body with COVID.

01:35:29.000 What was bizarre to me was that there was this...

01:35:32.000 There was this narrative that you were going to get it no matter what.

01:35:36.000 And this will stop it from you getting it.

01:35:38.000 Yeah. Well, this is before the vaccine was even around.

01:35:41.000 There was this talk that there's no way to not get it.

01:35:46.000 Like, if it's around you, it's so contagious, you're going to get it.

01:35:49.000 And that's why I was shocked that I didn't get it when my whole family got it.

01:35:52.000 Like I said, I didn't isolate at all.

01:35:54.000 I did it on purpose.

01:35:55.000 And I had two days in the gym where I was sluggish.

01:35:59.000 And so I was like, I feel...

01:36:01.000 Kind of tired today, but a weird tired.

01:36:04.000 So I'm just going to go through the motions.

01:36:05.000 I just like really light workout.

01:36:08.000 And the next day I felt the same thing.

01:36:09.000 Like, yeah, another light workout.

01:36:11.000 Let's just take it easy.

01:36:12.000 No need to push it.

01:36:13.000 Just got to break a little sweat.

01:36:14.000 Never stressed myself.

01:36:16.000 And then the next day I felt great.

01:36:19.000 I felt 100%.

01:36:20.000 Like, I started working.

01:36:20.000 I was like, oh, I feel good.

01:36:21.000 And then I was fine.

01:36:23.000 I was like, okay, I guess I didn't get it.

01:36:24.000 And then everyone in my family recovered.

01:36:27.000 And then I went from there to a couple months later, I was doing this gig in Florida.

01:36:35.000 I was up with my friend John Shoman, who makes pool cues.

01:36:39.000 Shout out to John, good friend of mine.

01:36:41.000 And we were playing pool until like 5 o'clock in the morning.

01:36:43.000 And I had like five margaritas, and we were having a good old time and laughing a lot.

01:36:47.000 And then that night I was like, oh, I don't feel so good.

01:36:52.000 But it was alcohol and no sleep and playing pool and, you know, and big shows and giant arenas and flying on jets and being tired all the time.

01:37:03.000 You know, that's what it was.

01:37:04.000 And then I got sick.

01:37:05.000 But even then, it was like a couple days.

01:37:07.000 How was that?

01:37:08.000 How close was that to the time you said you felt a little tired in the gym that day?

01:37:12.000 A few months.

01:37:12.000 OK, a few months.

01:37:13.000 Yeah, it was a few months because by that time the vaccine had been out.

01:37:17.000 And this was, I guess, the Delta, which everybody was like, this is a bad one.

01:37:21.000 The Delta is a bad one.

01:37:23.000 You're supposed to be fearful, you know.

01:37:24.000 Yeah. It was a shocking time for me because before that, I never would have guessed in a million years that I would be even questioning other vaccines.

01:37:35.000 I would have never guessed that.

01:37:36.000 I would have told you.

01:37:37.000 That vaccines are one of the most important inventions in human history.

01:37:40.000 And it saved us from polio.

01:37:42.000 It saved us from smallpox.

01:37:43.000 I would have been that guy, ranting off all those statistics.

01:37:46.000 I would have told you that.

01:37:48.000 But then I read your book.

01:37:51.000 I read...

01:37:51.000 Sorry. Sorry.

01:37:53.000 I read Robert F. Kennedy's book.

01:37:55.000 I read your book, and I started reading Turtles All the Way Down, which...

01:37:59.000 Also, which is really interesting because they wrote another book called Turtles All the Way Down and someone else published it that has almost the identical cover.

01:38:08.000 And that book is a pro-vaccine book.

01:38:10.000 Like they literally hijacked.

01:38:12.000 They're like, what do we do?

01:38:13.000 Oh, this is what we do. 0.99

01:38:14.000 We fucking confuse the shit out of people. 0.98

01:38:16.000 Make one with the exact same cover. 0.99

01:38:18.000 Exact same cover.

01:38:19.000 Exact same name.

01:38:20.000 Wow. And they made it a pro-vaccine book.

01:38:22.000 It's kind of wild.

01:38:23.000 I mean, it's really kind of ingenious. 1.00

01:38:25.000 Like, what a great way to, like, flood the market with bullshit. 0.99

01:38:28.000 And the RFK Jr. book was bananas. 0.99

01:38:31.000 I mean, people had told me to read it, and my initial thought...

01:38:35.000 Which one, the Fauci book?

01:38:36.000 Yes. My initial thought was, that's that guy that's like that anti-vaccine kook. 0.94

01:38:41.000 That's what I thought.

01:38:42.000 And I've apologized to him for that when I talked to him on the podcast.

01:38:46.000 I said to him, I said, I succumbed, like everybody else did, to the casual narrative.

01:38:53.000 What's the casual narrative?

01:38:54.000 Oh, that RFK guy's a kook, talks weird, got a weird voice. 1.00

01:38:57.000 He's ruining the world's immunity. 0.89

01:38:59.000 Well, I had the same thing.

01:39:01.000 Like, you know, when I was first waking up, I had a friend who had unvaccinated kids that were part of a Steiner school.

01:39:06.000 And they were like mutant freaks to me because they'd never been on an antibiotic.

01:39:09.000 They were like bright and happy and interactive and talented.

01:39:15.000 At one point, one of them was playing with a hammer and nail and I said to her mother, I was like, you've got to be careful because she doesn't have a tetanus vaccine.

01:39:22.000 And someone in the room said, well, Suzanne, what do you know about tetanus?

01:39:26.000 And like in my head, I'm a full-fledged doctor at this point.

01:39:29.000 I thought, I don't know anything about tetanus.

01:39:31.000 And outside I said, I know you don't want to get it and I know it'll cause lockjaw.

01:39:35.000 And then I started reading about tetanus and I had to go back and, you know, kind of...

01:39:39.000 I apologize.

01:39:40.000 And then I did a big video.

01:39:40.000 I have a big video out on tetanus and the actual truth about the tetanus vaccines and actual tetanus, which, you know, that's even harder for most people.

01:39:48.000 Like most people who don't want to vaccinate their kids, they'll vaccinate for tetanus if they can get a single shot and second only to polio.

01:39:54.000 Everybody's got their two vaccines, their two diseases they're afraid of for their kid that makes them feel like they're at least doing something.

01:40:00.000 Well, the polio one always gets thrown in my face. 1.00

01:40:02.000 They say it all the time.

01:40:03.000 What about polio?

01:40:04.000 Yeah, and I just go, I don't have the time to do this.

01:40:07.000 Thank you.

01:40:08.000 Read the book.

01:40:09.000 Read the book!

01:40:10.000 To explain to someone the whole DDT connection and the fact that livestock was getting polio, this is the thing.

01:40:18.000 Polio, dogs don't get polio.

01:40:21.000 They don't get human-derived polio.

01:40:23.000 It doesn't cross species.

01:40:24.000 But they were getting paralytic polio symptoms because they were getting poisoned by DDT.

01:40:30.000 Right? That was a big part of the whole thing that was very confusing.

01:40:34.000 Well, they started killing dogs.

01:40:35.000 You know, in New York, in that incidence I told you about where the vaccine, the gain-of-function strain escaped, people were throwing their cats out the window.

01:40:45.000 Some 20,000 cats in New York City were killed during that time.

01:40:48.000 Oh, my God.

01:40:48.000 Because there was a belief that cats spread the disease.

01:40:51.000 Oh, my God.

01:40:53.000 Jesus Christ.

01:40:55.000 That's so crazy.

01:40:56.000 And it was all a mutant, man-made virus.

01:40:59.000 The man-made virus thing is...

01:41:01.000 It was a wound-up virus.

01:41:02.000 Wound up.

01:41:03.000 It was basically a natural virus that got kind of wound up by humans.

01:41:07.000 So man-made to the final form.

01:41:09.000 Yeah. That's just crazy that that's a thing that we do.

01:41:13.000 Because if this gain-of-function research was so important, wouldn't you have a cure, like, ready?

01:41:18.000 Like, have you been studying this for so long, but it didn't really cure it, right?

01:41:22.000 I mean, wouldn't you have something that, like, stops it dead in its tracks?

01:41:26.000 You're not allowed to cure it.

01:41:27.000 Look, I was living in a country where the government said there's no cure for COVID, there's no treatment for it, and there is no prevention for it except a vaccine.

01:41:37.000 And lo and behold, we found out.

01:41:38.000 That there was a contract between the government and the pharmaceutical industry to have the emergency use of the vaccine trial on the population only under the condition that there's no other treatment available.

01:41:51.000 And that's why the treatments were shut down.

01:41:54.000 Yeah. Because emergency use, there has to be no other treatment available.

01:41:57.000 If you have ivermectin or if you have zinc and all the other things that we use with success, you know, there were so many people that I treated that should have been dead.

01:42:05.000 I gave COVID to a 95-year-old woman who had chronic lung disease called bronchiectasis.

01:42:11.000 She should have been the low-hanging fruit. 0.99

01:42:13.000 I was starting to feel a little bit unhappy one day, really just sluggish like you mentioned.

01:42:18.000 And when I was done seeing her, she goes, I just want to give you a hug.

01:42:20.000 And she came over and I was going, oh, no.

01:42:23.000 And after about three days, I was like, I definitely got it.

01:42:26.000 I tested and I rang her daughter.

01:42:28.000 And I said, I've got to tell you, I was exposed.

01:42:31.000 Margie was exposed to blah, blah, blah.

01:42:33.000 And she's like, yeah, mom's not feeling so good right now.

01:42:37.000 And then two weeks later, I thought, I've got to call back again.

01:42:39.000 I've got to make sure this lady's okay. 1.00

01:42:41.000 She said, oh no, mom's out at the hairdresser getting her hair done. 0.93

01:42:44.000 Two weeks later, I still wasn't recovered two weeks later.

01:42:46.000 Did she smoke?

01:42:47.000 She was out getting her hair done.

01:42:48.000 Was she a smoker?

01:42:49.000 She probably used to.

01:42:50.000 I don't know if she can't remember that detail.

01:42:52.000 But my senior partner had leukemia.

01:42:54.000 He should have been absolutely dead.

01:42:57.000 Well, not on my watch.

01:42:57.000 He wasn't going to be dead.

01:42:58.000 So he survived the entire thing and died like two years later of something else.

01:43:03.000 The most shocking aspect of getting...

01:43:11.000 any interest in why I recovered so quickly because if this is supposed to be this death sentence and there's no treatment and then I'm a guy in my 50s and I got over it quick and then no one cared at all about that all they wanted to do is mock this idea that I was taking veterinary medicine right But it was just the fact that they use that term horse dewormer on every TV show.

01:43:40.000 Like, wow, this is, it's wild to watch the machine.

01:43:43.000 It's uniquely wild when it's coming after you. 0.93

01:43:46.000 And you're like, but this is like such a dumb checkers play. 1.00

01:43:49.000 I'm like, this is so stupid. 1.00

01:43:50.000 I'm still doing my podcast, you fucking idiots. 1.00

01:43:52.000 And like, everyone's going to know that you put a green filter over my face. 1.00

01:43:56.000 I'm going to show everybody that.

01:43:58.000 You think you're just going to get away with that? 1.00

01:43:59.000 No, you're going to like lose all of your credibility, you idiots. 1.00

01:44:03.000 It was just so fascinating to watch like this distorted understanding of like what. 1.00

01:44:09.000 America is willing to believe.

01:44:11.000 Or the world is willing to believe.

01:44:14.000 Like, you're only preaching to the converted.

01:44:18.000 The super hardcore, closed-minded, converted people. 0.93

01:44:21.000 Everyone else knows you guys are a joke now.

01:44:24.000 And that's the good part of getting through COVID.

01:44:28.000 The good part of this...

01:44:30.000 Enormous gaslighting experience that we all just went through, where people are finally, after four years, apologizing to friends, you know, for calling them a plague rat.

01:44:40.000 You know, like, literally, they got down to that, where friends couldn't be friends with people anymore because they weren't vaccinated.

01:44:47.000 And people are kind of, like, realizing, like, oh, my God, not only did I get COVID more than anybody else.

01:44:53.000 Because I got three shots.

01:44:55.000 I had a friend tell me this.

01:44:56.000 He goes, I got COVID more than everyone I know.

01:44:59.000 And I had all three shots. 0.99

01:45:00.000 He's like, I got COVID eight fucking times. 0.99

01:45:03.000 And we're like, how many times did you get it? 0.99

01:45:05.000 And everybody that got it naturally was like, I got it once.

01:45:07.000 Maybe I got it.

01:45:08.000 I got it twice.

01:45:09.000 But the second time I got it, it was literally a sniffy nose.

01:45:12.000 Just literally.

01:45:13.000 And I was joking because we used to test everyone, including the guests.

01:45:18.000 Everyone that came here, we tested for COVID.

01:45:20.000 And I was joking.

01:45:22.000 I'm like, maybe this is it.

01:45:23.000 Maybe I got it again.

01:45:24.000 And she's like, you actually got it.

01:45:26.000 I was like, no way.

01:45:27.000 This is COVID?

01:45:28.000 And it never got worse.

01:45:29.000 It stopped right there.

01:45:31.000 That was it.

01:45:32.000 One day.

01:45:32.000 One day of a sniffly nose.

01:45:34.000 And then a couple days later, I said, all right, let's try and get tested again.

01:45:38.000 See if we can still do another podcast.

01:45:40.000 And that was good.

01:45:41.000 But I had to cancel the podcast.

01:45:42.000 You're not allowed to have a healthy immune system.

01:45:44.000 You're not allowed.

01:45:45.000 But the fact that...

01:45:47.000 That's the thing.

01:45:50.000 There's real science behind all the things you talk about in your book in terms of the nutritional aspects of healthy foods being an important factor in your immune system.

01:46:04.000 We were talking about juices and vegetable juices and all the different times that it's helped people overcome certain diseases.

01:46:12.000 Vitamin A and cod liver oil, which also has vitamin A, which was always prescribed to people that were sick.

01:46:17.000 All these things, this is real science.

01:46:20.000 There's real science in nutritional supplementation and the effects that it has on the immune system.

01:46:24.000 And there's real science in nutritional deficiencies and what a negative impact it has.

01:46:29.000 This is all real.

01:46:30.000 And if they truly cared about you, they would be telling you about that as a primary way of defending your body against disease and against all sorts of things.

01:46:41.000 All sorts of things.

01:46:43.000 Get fit.

01:46:45.000 Eat healthy and you're above everything.

01:46:48.000 Take supplements.

01:46:49.000 You're above everything.

01:46:50.000 Like you're in the top 1% of people that are going to do great in life when it comes to getting sick.

01:46:54.000 Just that.

01:46:55.000 Because most people don't do that.

01:46:57.000 So you have like what percentage of people like really eat healthy and really try to exercise on a regular basis?

01:47:02.000 Is it even 10?

01:47:04.000 Is it even 10% of us?

01:47:05.000 It depends.

01:47:06.000 I get maybe what state you live in.

01:47:08.000 Let's just have a guess nationwide and see if there's a chart.

01:47:12.000 See if there's a statistic.

01:47:13.000 Let's guess.

01:47:14.000 What percentage of people eat healthy, take vitamins, and exercise regularly?

01:47:23.000 I say 10%.

01:47:24.000 What do you think?

01:47:25.000 Yeah, it could be because you still got your teenagers and your young college students that are in sports and things like that.

01:47:31.000 A lot of older people are— You'd hope they would qualify. 1.00

01:47:33.000 Yeah, but a lot of people, like, you know, even though they have a hard job, they still realize, like, I got to go to the gym before work and just get it in because if I don't, I won't have any energy.

01:47:42.000 I'm better off this way.

01:47:43.000 I know it sucks, but just do it.

01:47:44.000 There's, like, people that have enough discipline to do that. 0.84

01:47:46.000 So I would give it—I think it's one out of ten.

01:47:49.000 That's what I think.

01:47:50.000 What do we got, Jamie?

01:47:52.000 This is an impossible thing to find.

01:47:54.000 Yeah, it's a little impossible.

01:47:55.000 What about AI? 1.00

01:47:56.000 Run that shit through ChatGPT. 1.00

01:47:58.000 How are you going to get the answer is my point. 1.00

01:48:01.000 1% of Americans work out.

01:48:04.000 People have to honestly answer the question in a poll.

01:48:07.000 Well, let's ask ChatGPT just for a goof.

01:48:12.000 ChatGPT has to find the answer somewhere.

01:48:13.000 Right. But let's see what she says.

01:48:15.000 Well, okay.

01:48:16.000 Well, hold on.

01:48:16.000 Let's just for funsies.

01:48:17.000 Let's just say...

01:48:18.000 I know.

01:48:18.000 Right out of the gate, the answer is that 86% of people take vitamins and supplements, which is four in five American adults.

01:48:24.000 Is that real?

01:48:25.000 That's good, if that's true.

01:48:26.000 That's really good.

01:48:27.000 I wouldn't think that's true, though.

01:48:28.000 I don't buy that.

01:48:29.000 That's what I'm trying to say.

01:48:30.000 Yeah, I don't buy that.

01:48:31.000 That's written by a supplement company.

01:48:33.000 Yeah, and what supplements and how, you know, sometimes you can overdo.

01:48:36.000 You do a hair mineral analysis on people and sometimes you find things that are, you know, pretty shocking in terms of that came from supplements, you know.

01:48:44.000 You can overdo it with even selenium.

01:48:47.000 Sure. You can end up with big problems.

01:48:49.000 There's also a problem with cross-contamination.

01:48:52.000 One of the things that we found out when we were selling AlphaBrain is that in the beginning when we would hire a lab to make the formula for us, like so you have like a list of ingredients and then they put together this thing which is a nootropic.

01:49:08.000 We'd find stuff in there that we didn't have in there.

01:49:10.000 And it was from their bins.

01:49:12.000 So they didn't clean their bins.

01:49:14.000 So it's like why is vitamin B12 in this?

01:49:16.000 Like why is this in that?

01:49:17.000 Why is that?

01:49:17.000 And it's just because that's the same.

01:49:20.000 Factor, manufacturing place where they make all kinds of stuff, creatine and all kinds of stuff.

01:49:25.000 It doesn't say how it got the answer, but it says less than 10%.

01:49:27.000 Okay, likely less than 10%.

01:49:29.000 Okay, if you're talking about people who consistently do all three, it drops significantly.

01:49:33.000 Less than 10%, maybe even closer to 3% to 5%, depending on how strict your definition of healthy is.

01:49:39.000 Yeah. That was a good guess.

01:49:42.000 We're talking about adults here, presumably, but one of the facts is that the foundation that your immune system is created and developed in is probably, if not as more important than that, and that is...

01:50:00.000 Being born, vaginal birth versus a C-section.

01:50:03.000 Not putting down people who've had C-section.

01:50:05.000 I'm just saying the science shows that there is a distinct difference in C-section babies' immune systems versus non-C-section.

01:50:14.000 There's a distinct difference in breastfed babies versus non-breastfed.

01:50:18.000 And there's a distinct difference in babies whose mothers have a healthy diet and breastfeed versus mothers who don't have a healthy diet and breastfeed.

01:50:24.000 So that foundation actually makes your gut grow normally, which is a large part of your immune system.

01:50:29.000 It colonizes your gut because the bacteria from your mother's gut goes into your gut, goes from her gut through her lymph system into her breast and then to your gut. 0.99

01:50:38.000 And so all that foundational stuff is something not to be ignored because it's going to make you deal with diseases better.

01:50:44.000 And if you have to get vaccinated, it's going to make you deal with vaccines better even as a child.

01:50:48.000 Not that I'm in favor of that, but I'm just saying if you want to set things up as...

01:50:52.000 You know, solidly as possible to be able to take that insult.

01:50:55.000 The problem is we don't know 20, 30, 40 years later what the associations are between, you know, bone diseases, skin diseases, cancers, autoimmune diseases.

01:51:04.000 We have some clues.

01:51:05.000 I have some clues that nobody wants to look at.

01:51:07.000 But we've got this long-term problem that nobody looks at.

01:51:11.000 Long-term effects of lifestyle, of vaccination, of even SV40.

01:51:16.000 There was one study that started tracking 1,000 SV40 people that they knew were infected with SV40 looking for diseases later in life, and they stopped it after 19 years.

01:51:26.000 Again, axed.

01:51:28.000 When they still had over 700 people left in the study because they said too much time had gone by.

01:51:33.000 Well, the fact of the matter is that's when the study should have started.

01:51:36.000 17 to 20 years later is when they should have started looking at that point.

01:51:40.000 Not one year, two years.

01:51:42.000 But, you know, most vaccine trials and drug trials, they don't...

01:51:45.000 Vaccine trials, it's like two weeks is almost a miracle for someone to follow out that long.

01:51:49.000 Forget about looking months or years later.

01:51:51.000 It doesn't happen.

01:51:53.000 When you first decided to write this book, how much apprehension did you have?

01:51:58.000 Zero. Zero.

01:52:00.000 You were just fully convicted to get this idea out?

01:52:03.000 Well, you know, it was a bit of a process if you want to know it.

01:52:06.000 Yeah, sure.

01:52:07.000 Yeah. So what first happened is that I kept getting challenged while I was – I stayed on for two years as a nephrologist in my hospital.

01:52:14.000 So I wasn't kicked out.

01:52:15.000 I left because, like, my soul just couldn't hang out there anymore.

01:52:19.000 And so during that time – Even though I was kind of ostracized behind my back, everybody still respected me as a nephrologist, but I still had to go.

01:52:27.000 And in that time, I started doing public appearances, like I went on the Gary Null show and started doing things like that, just talking about smallpox and polio, because those were my focus, because everyone's saying, what about smallpox?

01:52:39.000 What about polio?

01:52:39.000 And then when I started finding out, I just, I became obsessed with it.

01:52:43.000 It was so interesting.

01:52:44.000 So I was morbidly fascinated by the whole thing and about how everything I found was absolutely contrary to what the...

01:52:51.000 And what I had was a mountain, you know, pile high to the ceiling, and they had soundbites.

01:52:57.000 They had nothing to fight back with me on.

01:52:59.000 Nothing. So this guy named Roman Bistrianic heard me on the radio show, and he rung my office.

01:53:07.000 And after his third call, I was like, I guess I better call this guy back.

01:53:12.000 And he had this idea for a book, and he had done all the charts and the graphics and started writing the narrative around that of what the historical documents showed.

01:53:21.000 And then I came in as kind of the medical person that was obsessed with polio and smallpox and happened to know quite a bit about pertussis.

01:53:27.000 So we started writing the book together, and there's probably about...

01:53:31.000 There's got to be, if you were to take a full-time job, 20 years, at least 20 years.

01:53:35.000 But for me, it was condensed because I became obsessed after I quit my job.

01:53:38.000 All I did, I basically had no money.

01:53:40.000 I lived in a tent with a pop-up camper.

01:53:42.000 That was my office.

01:53:43.000 And I was like crazy Ted Kaczynski obsessed with polio in my tent.

01:53:49.000 Wow. So no, I didn't have apprehension.

01:53:51.000 I was like, this information, it's been so...

01:53:54.000 The U.S. Polio Surveillance Unit charts were supposed to be available in libraries.

01:54:00.000 Lo and behold, every library I went to to find them, I was told they're not here.

01:54:04.000 There's only one library, the AMA library, and you have to have special high security clearance to look at them.

01:54:09.000 Well, I won't say how, but I got a hold of them.

01:54:11.000 And what those documents show is that it wasn't just Cutter Laboratories that had a problem with live polio.

01:54:17.000 It wasn't just Wyeth.

01:54:19.000 We didn't talk about this, but all the vaccine companies had a problem with live virus in their injectable vaccines during Salk's year.

01:54:28.000 So 1954, 1955, up to 1959, they all were producing vaccine with live virus in it because Salk wouldn't listen to the scientists abroad who were saying his inactivation curve was...

01:54:39.000 Where the sun doesn't shine.

01:54:41.000 So that beginning of that and just tracking all that down and asking the questions that you asked, well, where did polio go?

01:54:49.000 What was really causing the paralysis?

01:54:51.000 Why don't we see it today?

01:54:52.000 I had to answer all those questions and every question I answered, it was so satisfying that I just wanted to go on to the next question.

01:54:59.000 And so there was never any hesitation because I just actually, I was so single-minded that I didn't think about...

01:55:05.000 You know, the threats that could happen as a result of that.

01:55:09.000 And it wasn't until after the book was out that the threats happened and I'm still here.

01:55:13.000 And look, I figure if anybody wants to do me in now, the timing is really bad because this is pretty much out there now.

01:55:20.000 It's been out there for a while.

01:55:23.000 The Jonas Salk thing was also wild.

01:55:25.000 I thought Jonas Salk was this genius that created this incredible virus to save humanity.

01:55:30.000 Yeah, so did I. So many of our childhood fables turn out not to be true.

01:55:36.000 But that was a big one.

01:55:38.000 And it's still hard for a lot of people to believe.

01:55:40.000 But I just think it's like anything.

01:55:43.000 Like if you're open to different information.

01:55:45.000 And I always say, look, I am...

01:55:48.000 I can make mistakes.

01:55:50.000 I'm not infallible.

01:55:51.000 Someone has actually found a mistake in the book.

01:55:53.000 I actually went in and corrected it.

01:55:54.000 That's the difference between me and these other people, is that if I made a mistake, I want to know about it, and I will go and make it right, and I will publicly admit that I made a mistake.

01:56:01.000 But I will say that 99.9% of what's in this book is true, factual, and provable.

01:56:07.000 And because I've done the research...

01:56:10.000 But it's a hard thing to do.

01:56:11.000 What doctor is going to quit their job? 0.60

01:56:13.000 I was lucky.

01:56:14.000 I didn't have kids.

01:56:15.000 I didn't have, you know, medical royalty ancestors who would have been disappointed in me.

01:56:19.000 I came from nothing.

01:56:20.000 I wasn't afraid to go back to nothing.

01:56:22.000 And so that's why I was willing to live in a tent until this thing was done and published in 2013.

01:56:29.000 How long did it take you?

01:56:31.000 I started working on it.

01:56:33.000 Roman had been working on it for years.

01:56:35.000 He had been going to libraries because his kids got hit hard by an ex-wife who jabbed them.

01:56:40.000 He didn't know about it and they got really sick.

01:56:43.000 And then he started looking at old graphs and going, oh, that doesn't make sense.

01:56:46.000 So he got obsessed in his own way with the numbers.

01:56:49.000 He's the numbers guy.

01:56:50.000 And so he had been working on it.

01:56:53.000 And then the two of us together worked on it probably from 2009 to 2013.

01:56:59.000 And then it was published in 2013.

01:57:01.000 We couldn't find a publisher.

01:57:03.000 Even the alternative publishers didn't want anything to do with it, so we self-published.

01:57:07.000 And then after it was successful, guess who wanted to publish our book?

01:57:10.000 And I was like, nope, sorry.

01:57:12.000 We're going to carry on the way we are.

01:57:14.000 Oh, but you're going to get such more credibility.

01:57:16.000 It's like, unlikely.

01:57:18.000 That's funny.

01:57:18.000 We did okay with it.

01:57:19.000 If you give us money, you'll get credibility.

01:57:21.000 Let us take a part of your successful business that you've worked on for five years or four years.

01:57:26.000 We'll give you $1 a book.

01:57:28.000 That would be sweet.

01:57:29.000 Yeah. What a great deal.

01:57:30.000 And then I'll have Prestige behind my name.

01:57:33.000 Yeah. Yeah, I've been published by a real company.

01:57:35.000 When was the last time you looked at a book and said, let me check who published this?

01:57:39.000 Exactly, right.

01:57:40.000 You know, maybe make sure.

01:57:42.000 Somebody recommended this book.

01:57:43.000 Self-published.

01:57:43.000 It's all lies.

01:57:44.000 I have never heard of this publisher.

01:57:47.000 This is outrageous.

01:57:48.000 What's that there?

01:57:49.000 Forbidden Science.

01:57:50.000 Oh, Jacques Vallée.

01:57:51.000 Okay. Jacques Vallée is...

01:57:53.000 Probably the most interesting UFO researcher that I've ever talked to.

01:57:58.000 He's the guy that was...

01:58:00.000 Do you remember the French scientist?

01:58:01.000 Do you remember Close Encounters of the Third Kind?

01:58:02.000 Did you see that movie?

01:58:03.000 Long time ago.

01:58:04.000 Long time ago.

01:58:05.000 Do you remember there's a French scientist on the ground that's coordinating with the army and explaining to everybody what's going on?

01:58:10.000 Okay. That French scientist is modeled after this guy.

01:58:13.000 This guy's been following UFOs since like the 50s or the 60s?

01:58:17.000 Did you say the 50s?

01:58:18.000 I mean...

01:58:19.000 Like... A long time.

01:58:21.000 He's an older gentleman, but he's fascinating.

01:58:24.000 And he's very rational.

01:58:27.000 When he talks about it, it's like he is very objective in what's nonsense and what's true and what we can't explain.

01:58:34.000 It's a fascinating subject.

01:58:37.000 I think similar threads would run through his experience, definitely.

01:58:40.000 Oh, I'm sure.

01:58:41.000 Forbidden science.

01:58:42.000 Yeah. Well, for the longest time, it was a ridiculed subject.

01:58:48.000 It didn't have the same societal impact as being a vaccine skeptic or an anti-vaxxer.

01:58:56.000 With that pejorative, they've done an incredible job of scaring people into just falling in line.

01:59:02.000 Because if you question it and someone said, oh, did you know he's an anti-vaxxer?

01:59:06.000 That's enough.

01:59:07.000 That's it.

01:59:07.000 That's all you need to hear.

01:59:08.000 And you're going to get the...

01:59:10.000 You're going to get it big time.

01:59:12.000 I've gotten it already.

01:59:14.000 They'll start picking apart my facts and they'll want to come on and dismantle.

01:59:18.000 This is what always happens.

01:59:19.000 I come in first, I tell my story, and then they bring in the experts who are able to take, without me being in the room, of course, because I can't be able to defend myself, and then let the public believe that everything I said was just one big sack of lies.

01:59:30.000 Well, they'll definitely be the usual suspects that'll be doing that.

01:59:34.000 But has anyone ever tried to sit down with you and have a conversation publicly about this?

01:59:40.000 And refute it?

01:59:43.000 Not that I can recall.

01:59:45.000 No one's offered?

01:59:46.000 Yeah. I have to say I'm not that interested in doing that because I just feel like, you know, debate is an actual skill.

01:59:59.000 I'm not a debater.

02:00:01.000 If somebody wanted to debate me in writing, I would be happy to do that because then I could sit there and take my time, go through the references that I needed rather than having to, you know.

02:00:11.000 That makes sense.

02:00:12.000 You know, have the artillery ready at me without having a shield, pretty much.

02:00:16.000 Right, and there's an anxiety aspect to that, and there's a lot of adrenaline and emotions, and yeah, it's a skill.

02:00:23.000 But I would do it only if we had a topic that was, you know...

02:00:27.000 Basically agreed upon beforehand that we could both upskill on and use what we know as that debate point.

02:00:32.000 But it usually just becomes character assassination.

02:00:35.000 It does.

02:00:36.000 It's super unfortunate.

02:00:37.000 And it's really transparent when it's about a serious subject.

02:00:41.000 Like, why do you have to attack someone's, who they are, ridicule them, instead of just...

02:00:48.000 Refuting the facts or laying out your case.

02:00:51.000 It just doesn't make sense that anybody who's right would do that.

02:00:55.000 That's not what you do when you're right.

02:00:56.000 That's what you do when you're trying to ridicule people.

02:00:58.000 And you're usually trying to ridicule people because you need an edge.

02:01:00.000 You know, it's like a bully.

02:01:03.000 If you see fighters, like...

02:01:07.000 Like a UFC fighter in his prime, like Anderson Silva is one of the greatest of all time.

02:01:12.000 If someone like got in his face and tried to intimidate him, it would be kind of hilarious because he was the best fighter in the world.

02:01:18.000 So he wouldn't even have to do it back.

02:01:20.000 He could just smile at you.

02:01:21.000 And that's sort of the same here.

02:01:23.000 When you're ridiculing someone, like right off the bat, a bunch of...

02:01:28.000 You know, ad hominems about that person.

02:01:31.000 You're trying to diminish that person to set up your argument as being superior because you're the superior intellect.

02:01:36.000 And you're doing that because you don't feel like you're on a level playing field.

02:01:39.000 And so you want to try to do something to push them off.

02:01:41.000 Make fun of them in some sort of way.

02:01:43.000 Instead of just like laying out your version of what reality is.

02:01:47.000 Lay out your version if you're so strong.

02:01:49.000 If you're so correct, it should be super easy to do.

02:01:52.000 Well, just like in sports, it's the same here. 0.98

02:01:54.000 It's like cheating is for losers.

02:01:55.000 If you're a winner, you don't have to cheat.

02:01:58.000 And that's the same with them.

02:01:59.000 Like, if their product is so wonderful that everybody needs it so badly, then why is there such a... 0.99

02:02:04.000 What they say is that we're too stupid to understand how they're saving our lives and how they...

02:02:08.000 This is one of the big arguments that we really ought to touch on, is that they say that our lifespan has improved as a result of medical interventions. 0.97

02:02:15.000 When what we show in here, what other scientists have shown, is that...

02:02:19.000 It's about 3.5% of the contribution from medicine goes into our extended lifespan.

02:02:29.000 3.5% based on antibiotics, vaccines, etc.

02:02:32.000 The rest of it was all about the revolution, the health revolution, the clean water, the shelter, the electricity, the child labor laws, you know, ending.

02:02:41.000 So, you know, the magic of medicine is not what people think, and it really traps a lot of people.

02:02:46.000 Like, I think there's a value to it.

02:02:48.000 To the medical field in terms of surgery and certain drugs and if you have an organ failure, like, absolutely.

02:02:55.000 But why not?

02:02:56.000 Like, my Hippocratic oath said that I should consult, you know, any consultant that will help my patient and keep the well-being of my patient stable.

02:03:04.000 Well, to me, that includes, you know, using every therapy that is as...

02:03:08.000 The most benign therapies possible first.

02:03:11.000 The ones that work along with the blueprint of a human body, that go along with the theory of health rather than pounding down disease.

02:03:18.000 You're always going to get a better result that way, assuming you've got time and, you know, you haven't waited until the last minute.

02:03:24.000 Well, you certainly will get a better result if you do get the disease that way.

02:03:27.000 Like, the idea that you could just ignore everything but a medication is so silly.

02:03:32.000 And the only reason why you would do that is if that's the only way you made your money.

02:03:37.000 And that's really – especially if you're in the vaccine business and you have an enormous ad budget and you're sponsoring all the television networks.

02:03:47.000 Well, that's the big thing.

02:03:48.000 And the other thing is people trust what they see on the television.

02:03:51.000 CNN was my go-to thing for the longest time.

02:03:55.000 Yeah. And now I look at it and I think, oh, my goodness.

02:03:58.000 You know what cracked it for me is when they publicly – What was that story?

02:04:10.000 You know, he was the doctor you'll hear.

02:04:12.000 He was publicly shamed.

02:04:13.000 His license was removed.

02:04:14.000 He published an article about what he called toxic nodular enterocolitis in children with autism.

02:04:21.000 He was a gastroenterologist, a very high-level, very well-respected, decorated gastroenterologist.

02:04:26.000 And he published this paper, which remained in a journal for 12 years.

02:04:30.000 And all it said at the end was further research needs to be done in order to see if there is any real connection between the MMR vaccine, autism, and toxic.

02:04:39.000 Nodular enterocolitis.

02:04:41.000 These kids suffer with horrible bowel disease.

02:04:43.000 It's not just brain disease.

02:04:44.000 And so he was about to publish another paper showing that in this certain type of monkeys that were vaccinated against hepatitis B lost a lot of their reflexes and had problems.

02:04:54.000 And it was on the eve of the publication of that paper that his original paper was revoked.

02:04:59.000 And ever since then, he has been the poster child for vaccine nonsense, for anti-vax crazy people.

02:05:06.000 And in fact, every time I've done anything, his name, funny that I brought his name up.

02:05:10.000 I love him.

02:05:10.000 He's a great guy.

02:05:11.000 But his name would always come up.

02:05:13.000 Well, you're a friend of Andy Wakefield.

02:05:15.000 No, Andy Wakefield, because autism and vaccines has been...

02:05:19.000 Debunked because Andy Wakefield lied.

02:05:21.000 He didn't lie.

02:05:22.000 All he said is, I did biopsies.

02:05:24.000 I saw this.

02:05:25.000 And this is possibly a connection.

02:05:27.000 And since then, other scientists have come in, done the same thing.

02:05:30.000 Biopsies. Then they looked at whether the vaccine virus was in that biopsy.

02:05:35.000 And it was.

02:05:35.000 It wasn't a wild virus.

02:05:36.000 It was a vaccine virus in that area, not the surrounding area.

02:05:40.000 So there is a relationship between gut disease, MMR vaccine, retained, you know.

02:05:46.000 Virus that hasn't been processed properly because it didn't come into your body properly.

02:05:49.000 And disease.

02:05:51.000 Brain disease.

02:05:51.000 So that's a fact.

02:05:52.000 But CNN did a hit job on Andy Wakefield.

02:05:55.000 And I remember going, huh.

02:05:58.000 What's going on here?

02:05:59.000 Because I know what happened with that whole situation.

02:06:02.000 Now CNN is saying this, and that was kind of when the windscreen cracked for me, and I just had to start questioning anything.

02:06:08.000 And then you've got the doctors that go on there.

02:06:10.000 There are a couple doctors.

02:06:11.000 I think you interviewed one of them, didn't you?

02:06:13.000 Sanjay Gupta.

02:06:14.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:06:15.000 There was a guy before him.

02:06:18.000 And some of the stuff he said was pretty unbelievable.

02:06:21.000 That's what the public is going to hear.

02:06:22.000 You know, your best chances of dealing with this is to just get the vaccine.

02:06:25.000 You don't want to get shingles?

02:06:26.000 Get that vaccine.

02:06:27.000 Never mind the whole other truth around that, because like you say, it's the advertisers, but it's bigger than that.

02:06:32.000 Does the shingles vaccine work?

02:06:35.000 What do you think about giving yourself a vaccine for something you already have?

02:06:40.000 Think about it.

02:06:41.000 Chicken pox is a disease that we all got as kids.

02:06:44.000 You got it as a kid, probably.

02:06:45.000 You're kind of superhuman, though.

02:06:46.000 You didn't even get COVID.

02:06:48.000 I got it eventually.

02:06:49.000 You did.

02:06:50.000 You got it eventually.

02:06:52.000 It broke you down.

02:06:54.000 But I got chicken pox really bad.

02:06:56.000 I got chicken pox when I was a kid.

02:06:58.000 There you go.

02:06:59.000 Back in the old days, we would all get chicken pox and then we'd be exposed to other kids that had chicken pox.

02:07:04.000 We'd go over kids' houses if they had chicken pox.

02:07:06.000 Yeah, people do.

02:07:07.000 They still do that.

02:07:08.000 I didn't have to.

02:07:09.000 I got it somehow.

02:07:09.000 I don't know how I got it.

02:07:10.000 Probably from my brother.

02:07:12.000 And so you have this virus lays dormant in your body until your immune system breaks down.

02:07:20.000 But part of it is not just your immune system breakdown.

02:07:22.000 It's the fact that all these kids are now vaccinated and the circulation of the disease...

02:07:27.000 See, some vaccines work in terms of they stop the circulation of the disease, but at a detriment to us.

02:07:33.000 So it's been a detriment for measles and it's been a detriment for chickenpox.

02:07:36.000 So chickenpox, we used to get continuous...

02:07:38.000 Adults didn't get shingles.

02:07:40.000 It was very rare for adults to get shingles before the chickenpox vaccine came out.

02:07:44.000 Extremely rare.

02:07:45.000 But since then, the rate of shingles in adults and children has skyrocketed because we're no longer getting...

02:07:49.000 We're getting our boosters being exposed to the circulating microbes.

02:07:54.000 So now the solution to that is to give adults like four times the dose of the childhood chickenpox in an injectable vaccine against something that they already have.

02:08:03.000 And so the theory is that you're going to ramp up your antibodies and then you're going to be able to do battle if your viruses come out again.

02:08:11.000 The only problem with that is that the problem is the immune system.

02:08:14.000 If you get AIDS or you're on chemotherapy, your chances of that happening are really high.

02:08:19.000 Yeah. Does the vaccine work or not?

02:08:21.000 I don't know.

02:08:21.000 But I just don't think it's just, to me, just a completely strange concept to inject myself with something that I already have, along with all the other excipients and compounds that go in a vaccine that nobody wants to talk about either.

02:08:33.000 So can you explain how a vaccine is manufactured?

02:08:37.000 Like, how could they not know all the different stuff that's in it?

02:08:40.000 Who? You need something alive.

02:08:51.000 You need some sort of tissue from a living creature in order to grow these things.

02:08:56.000 Well, in terms of the COVID vaccine, you just needed a pile of crap, actually, because it's made on E. coli cells, and that's where you find E. coli.

02:09:03.000 So with a lot of the other vaccines, you do need living. 0.64

02:09:06.000 Like for tetanus, you need rotten meat.

02:09:09.000 Okay? That's how the tetanus vaccine is made with rotten meat.

02:09:12.000 You were talking about tetanus earlier, and you kind of glossed over it, but you didn't finish up.

02:09:16.000 You were saying that tetanus itself, you started like Googling and like reading about tetanus itself.

02:09:23.000 Yeah. Yeah, a big wake-up call with tetanus.

02:09:26.000 So, you know, what we see, if anyone's worried about tetanus, what we're shown is a picture of a soldier from, like, the 1800s.

02:09:34.000 He's naked and his back is arched.

02:09:36.000 If you just Google tetanus right now and you look for images, you'll get this image.

02:09:41.000 And so that's what we're told will happen if we get tetanus.

02:09:44.000 It's a sure thing.

02:09:44.000 You're just going to get tetanus and you're going to die.

02:09:46.000 Well, the fact of the matter is that when I started doing my deep dive...

02:09:49.000 In World War I, look, it was fought in the trenches with horses.

02:09:52.000 That's where you get tetanus from ruminant animals. 0.56

02:09:54.000 It lives in their gut, then it goes in the soil, and it's just a spore.

02:09:57.000 It doesn't do anything until it gets into an area that doesn't have oxygen.

02:10:01.000 So you get a cut, you get a surgeon to close you up real nice without cleaning it out properly, and you're a setup for tetanus, which will transform from a spore to a different kind of a microbe and start releasing a toxin that can, it first starts as numb, numbness, usually in that limb.

02:10:19.000 The extreme case is in that soldier who would have been malnourished, stressed out, probably vaccinated for smallpox before he hit the fields.

02:10:28.000 Exposed to enormous amounts of tetanus, possibly gunshot wound or a slice somewhere, and then sewn up.

02:10:34.000 So yeah, his nervous system could have had a real big dose of toxin and nobody did anything about it.

02:10:39.000 That's the worst case scenario.

02:10:41.000 You don't want that to happen.

02:10:42.000 But in today's...

02:10:44.000 I've treated tetanus.

02:10:45.000 Let's just put it that way.

02:10:46.000 I've treated several cases of tetanus.

02:10:47.000 One of the cases was a neurologically diagnosed tetanus.

02:10:50.000 So tetanus is treatable.

02:10:52.000 You can get on it early.

02:10:53.000 Rabbit studies have shown that if you give vitamin C, if you have a good high vitamin C level before you put glass with tetanus spores on it inside the skin of a rabbit, that you can prevent the tetanus from happening.

02:11:05.000 Even if you give the vitamin C at the time of the injury, you can prevent it from happening.

02:11:09.000 If you give it after the event, the death rate goes down to, you know, very, very low, if not zero.

02:11:14.000 So vitamin C is a main factor, but the biggest factor is cleaning a wound and keeping the wound open if you think it's a dirty wound.

02:11:22.000 Close it straight up, which is why nails, you say stepping on a nail is the classic because rust can kind of hold the old spores inside of it.

02:11:30.000 You step on the nail, you get inoculated, and then you wait for it to heal over.

02:11:34.000 You have to open that wound if that's going to happen.

02:11:37.000 But tetanus has been...

02:11:39.000 There's a whole series of reports on instances where the cotton that was made for menstrual pads for women postpartum was impregnated with tetanus and they got horrible cases of...

02:11:51.000 So the hospital systems have also been, you know, responsible.

02:11:57.000 The biggest thing is that being vaccinated for tetanus is not necessarily security against not getting tetanus.

02:12:04.000 Now, am I telling people not to go get vaccinated or not?

02:12:06.000 No, I'm not.

02:12:06.000 I'm just saying there's so much.

02:12:07.000 Every vaccine, there's so much more to the story that should be considered.

02:12:12.000 You can have different strains of tetanus.

02:12:14.000 And if you're living on a field that has ruminant animals, you will be, whether you like it or not, you're going to be eating whatever's down in that field.

02:12:20.000 And you're going to be inoculated and have antibody and probably cell-mediated immunity against it.

02:12:26.000 So you'll already have some immunity to that.

02:12:29.000 So worst case scenario is you have no immunity.

02:12:31.000 You go get a dirty wound and you don't get any real competent medical care for it.

02:12:36.000 Yeah, you can end up having a problem with tetanus.

02:12:39.000 Whether you're not going to have locked jaw and an arched back and die, unlikely today for that to happen.

02:12:47.000 Most tetanus that happens is delayed onset.

02:12:50.000 So the earlier your symptoms come on, the worse the tetanus is going to be.

02:12:53.000 If it comes on later, generally, the better you're going to do.

02:12:57.000 Treated with high doses of magnesium, high doses of vitamin C, local wound care, that's the best thing that you can do.

02:13:03.000 Up to you if you want to go get jabbed for tetanus after you learn everything about it.

02:13:07.000 Everything's on my Odyssey channel, by the way, because I got canceled out of YouTube for talking about vitamin C of all things.

02:13:15.000 So everything's now on Odyssey.

02:13:17.000 All my videos are on Odyssey, and I do one that's just on tetanus.

02:13:20.000 And again, medical reference after medical reference, I don't make this stuff up.

02:13:23.000 I just report what I read.

02:13:25.000 It's crazy that they just kick you off YouTube for reporting studies.

02:13:29.000 Yep. You can have pornography and murder and all kinds of other stuff on there.

02:13:34.000 It's pretty horrifying, some of the things that flash across.

02:13:36.000 I can't unsee that now.

02:13:38.000 Have you ever posted your stuff on X?

02:13:41.000 Yes, lots of stuff on X. Most of this stuff is available there.

02:13:45.000 Well, I got canceled out of Twitter when it was Twitter, and I could not make another account.

02:13:49.000 It's like they knew where I was.

02:13:51.000 Even though I was using different phone numbers and different emails, I could not restore an account.

02:13:55.000 They got your IP.

02:13:57.000 Maybe that's what I used.

02:13:58.000 I used VPN as well.

02:14:00.000 Couldn't do it.

02:14:01.000 Really? I would get an account set up, and then they would say, you went against standards and cancel it.

02:14:06.000 They must have put a cookie on your phone or something.

02:14:08.000 Maybe. Did you try a new phone?

02:14:10.000 I tried a computer, too.

02:14:12.000 Wow. But I did finally get an account.

02:14:15.000 I was able to open an account and get a blue checkmark, but I don't have that many followers.

02:14:19.000 I mean, I went from having over 95,000 to having nothing and now rebuild.

02:14:23.000 They love that.

02:14:24.000 They love to let us build ourselves up and chop us down and make us rebuild and scatter.

02:14:28.000 What is your account?

02:14:28.000 We'll help you out.

02:14:30.000 It's DrSuzanneH7.

02:14:33.000 D-R-S-U-Z-A-N-N-E-H-7. 1.00

02:14:36.000 Yeah. And look, I don't post my opinions about different things in the world or dog and cat pictures.

02:14:41.000 I post stuff about vaccines.

02:14:43.000 I stay in lane as best as I can.

02:14:48.000 So for you, was the COVID pandemic, was that like a big wake-up call for people to start reading your book?

02:15:00.000 We've had pretty good sales.

02:15:02.000 Like Roman keeps, because he does all the accounting, and he says we just have a good amount of steady sales, and once in a while we'll see.

02:15:08.000 Like every time you mentioned the book, we had a little blip on it. 0.87

02:15:10.000 During COVID, every time Bill Gates comes out and says something stupid, we have a big surge in our sales. 0.94

02:15:15.000 So they actually help us when they say, you know, if we vaccinate enough people, we can help depopulate. 0.94

02:15:22.000 It's like, okay, and for whatever reason, our book sales go up.

02:15:25.000 Well, when he starts talking about vaccine deniers and vaccine skeptics, whenever they started doing that and the language that they would use was – like when the president was saying, our patience is wearing thin.

02:15:37.000 We've been patient with you, but our patience is wearing thin.

02:15:40.000 And the White House prints this thing that if you're vaccinated, you did your job.

02:15:45.000 But for those unvaccinated, you're looking forward to a – what did they say?

02:15:49.000 A winter of – Oh, a dark winter.

02:15:51.000 Of death and disease.

02:15:53.000 Like, what?

02:15:55.000 You know, Dark Winter was a tabletop exercise.

02:15:57.000 Do you know about tabletop exercises?

02:15:59.000 I do, but what is Dark Winter?

02:16:00.000 So Dark Winter was one...

02:16:02.000 You can explain tabletop exercises.

02:16:03.000 That involved smallpox.

02:16:04.000 Well, there are lots of them, but Johns Hopkins does...

02:16:07.000 I have a whole PowerPoint on this too, but Johns Hopkins conducts a lot of them.

02:16:12.000 They involved...

02:16:14.000 Fictional scenarios where there could be pandemics and terroristic depositions of toxins and chemicals and microbes that were manipulated in a lab.

02:16:25.000 And then who in our society is going to respond and how they're going to respond, like the CDC and DARPA and the news outlets are always up.

02:16:35.000 Utmost importance is the news outlets and the messaging that goes to the news outlets and these tabletop exercises.

02:16:40.000 But Dark Winter was one that was a tabletop exercise after the World Trade Center thing when we were pointing our fingers at Iraq and weapons of mass destruction and a Russian scientist that, you know, had... 0.75

02:16:52.000 Weaponized smallpox and brought it to Iraq, which they never found, by the way. 0.88

02:16:56.000 But because of that, that's why I was asked to get vaccinated for smallpox in 2003, was that dark winter, that dark winter thing that was going on.

02:17:03.000 Thank God there were a few people in the CDC and consultants, old guys, the old guys with integrity that knew the deal from the old days, who were saying, wait a minute, smallpox is not easily transmitted.

02:17:13.000 So that's a no-no.

02:17:14.000 So even if there is a terroristic smallpox drop, it's not going to be easily...

02:17:19.000 Easily transmitted.

02:17:20.000 It's treatable, and the vaccine doesn't necessarily prevent it.

02:17:25.000 And so that was kind of one of the things that stalled it all out.

02:17:28.000 But then they did the study on the Marines, because part of the exercises are we must do tests for the new vaccine.

02:17:34.000 They used the old vaccine, the Dryvax.

02:17:37.000 And there were lots of problems with those military people.

02:17:40.000 And then I was asked to sign a 63-page informed consent.

02:17:47.000 Basically saying that I understood all the problems that could happen to me, that I didn't have little kids in my life, that I wasn't going to be able to spread it.

02:17:53.000 I would isolate after I got the vaccine.

02:17:55.000 So they were ultra careful about this one because they knew they were dealing with something that could get a very bad reputation.

02:18:02.000 The reason they ultimately canceled it is because...

02:18:05.000 Any doubts whether or not whale funded must not be allowed to exist.

02:18:08.000 Because if we were saying, oh my gosh, we have this terrible smallpox vaccine, how did they do it back then?

02:18:12.000 We have the same vaccine and people are getting really sick and dying and having cardiomyopathies.

02:18:17.000 That's a problem.

02:18:18.000 And so that's why the truth gets locked down over COVID.

02:18:21.000 We know, look, you've seen the athletes dropping dead.

02:18:23.000 You know about the cardiomyopathies and the pulmonary emboli and all that kind of thing.

02:18:28.000 Nobody's talking about the stem cells that the newborn babies are born without.

02:18:31.000 Nobody's talking about the fact that there are now death doulas.

02:18:37.000 I've got a friend that's a midwife who tells me that they are now creating a new field, which are midwives that only deliver dead babies.

02:18:44.000 They do nothing else.

02:18:45.000 They didn't need that before.

02:18:47.000 COVID was an absolute nightmare in terms of obstetrics, gynecology, labor and delivery.

02:18:52.000 A lot of midwives that got done because they didn't get vaccinated.

02:18:56.000 They don't even want to go back now that they can go back because they don't want to have their good reputations of 100% of, you know.

02:19:03.000 Normal births dealing with what's being dealt with today in terms of the birth problems that are happening because of the actual vaccine itself.

02:19:12.000 Look, if it causes problems and blood clots in our circulation, what do you think it's going to do to a placenta that is pretty much all blood vessel?

02:19:19.000 That's all it is.

02:19:20.000 It's like a big blood vessel sandwich is what it is.

02:19:24.000 And there was no studies that showed that it was safe to give to pregnant women, but yet they were saying that.

02:19:29.000 Well, look, every influenza vaccine package insert says it's never been tested for carcinogenicity or mutagenicity in pregnant women, yet it's recommended every year for every pregnant woman and every time they get pregnant or not.

02:19:42.000 It's recommended.

02:19:43.000 Same with the pertussis vaccine.

02:19:45.000 Give it to pregnant women. 1.00

02:19:46.000 Never mind that it changes the immune reactivity of the infant.

02:19:49.000 Nobody talks about these things.

02:19:51.000 This is what I say when, you know...

02:19:54.000 It's like the truth is so much more complicated than the soundbite lie.

02:19:58.000 The soundbite lie is what gets around the world three times.

02:20:01.000 The science is settled.

02:20:02.000 Science is settled. 0.86

02:20:03.000 There's no debate needed because the likes of me are so crazy and whacked out and I'm trying to destroy the good order of the general public. 0.97

02:20:13.000 Blood is on your hands. 0.98

02:20:14.000 Oh, that's a good one.

02:20:15.000 I always love that one.

02:20:16.000 Yeah, it's a fun one.

02:20:17.000 I like that one.

02:20:19.000 Yeah. Yeah.

02:20:21.000 Yeah, see if you can pull up Rational Wiki and Humphreys.

02:20:24.000 You'll enjoy this.

02:20:24.000 I want to see the image of the guy with tetanus.

02:20:27.000 Did you find that?

02:20:30.000 Can I just see one?

02:20:31.000 I want to see what it looks like when you're locked up.

02:20:33.000 It's an old painting.

02:20:37.000 So can I ask you when you've treated people that have tetanus and didn't have the tetanus shot?

02:20:41.000 Or did they get tetanus and they had the tetanus shot?

02:20:44.000 The one that had the worst tetanus had locked on, had the tetanus shot.

02:20:48.000 What's up?

02:20:48.000 Put in painting.

02:20:49.000 Put in artwork or painting.

02:20:51.000 Look at that dead guy.

02:20:52.000 But go up to that dead guy.

02:20:53.000 Yeah, right there.

02:20:54.000 That's not real?

02:20:55.000 I mean, it looks real. 0.99

02:20:56.000 It looks fake as shit. 0.99

02:20:57.000 Does it? 0.99

02:20:57.000 It does. 0.99

02:20:59.000 Not to me, bro.

02:21:01.000 It could be.

02:21:02.000 But look, he's clearly been in the hospital for a really long time.

02:21:05.000 He probably got hospital-acquired tetanus.

02:21:06.000 There's a bunch of kids.

02:21:07.000 I don't want to put this on the screen.

02:21:08.000 Okay. Right.

02:21:10.000 But that image right there, what makes you think that that's fake?

02:21:14.000 It's very blurry.

02:21:15.000 Yeah, that is weird.

02:21:16.000 That part there looks...

02:21:17.000 It does look fake.

02:21:19.000 Oh, yeah.

02:21:19.000 It's probably a bunch of Nazi tattoos.

02:21:21.000 But if you put in painting, painting soldier tetanus, then it will come up.

02:21:26.000 Is that it right there?

02:21:26.000 There it is.

02:21:27.000 First one right there.

02:21:28.000 It's very famous.

02:21:29.000 That's what's on the Wikipedia page as well.

02:21:32.000 So this is...

02:21:33.000 You don't want that to happen, Joe.

02:21:34.000 If you do get tetanus and there is no antibiotics...

02:21:37.000 This is surely what will happen to you.

02:21:39.000 Now, today, how would you treat someone who got tetanus?

02:21:42.000 There are antibiotics, you know, but mostly it's supportive care until, you know, your therapy starts to work.

02:21:50.000 So some people end up, if it's not dealt to in time, you can end up ventilated.

02:21:54.000 But again, that's...

02:21:56.000 It's a theoretical problem, but if you get on it in time, that's certainly not been my experience.

02:22:00.000 And so the ones that I've treated that haven't been vaccinated have had the easiest, mildest cases.

02:22:05.000 I don't know.

02:22:06.000 I've not done a large, randomized, controlled study.

02:22:09.000 But what's really important here is what you're saying is that even if you get the tetanus shot, if you step on a nail...

02:22:14.000 Like, you could still get tetanus.

02:22:16.000 Look, in order to make tetanus immune globulin, which is another option, say you have a cut and your magic tetanus shot doesn't work right away, then you can get an immune globulin injection that came from somebody who has had tetanus.

02:22:31.000 Usually these are people who have actually had tetanus, not who have been...

02:22:34.000 And one of the donors that's in the literature that I use is somebody who has had natural tetanus despite having several vaccines.

02:22:42.000 So no, the tetanus vaccine is not a guarantee against...

02:22:46.000 It's like a severe tetanus.

02:22:48.000 Yeah. That's right before you die, they call it severe.

02:22:51.000 Yeah. But it could also be caused by meningitis.

02:22:55.000 So this is kind of the dead baby equivalent of, you know...

02:22:59.000 That they use for tetanus.

02:23:00.000 So this was a soldier, I believe, during a very long time ago and he was...

02:23:04.000 They don't even show you his wound.

02:23:06.000 He's probably stepped on something.

02:23:07.000 It can happen.

02:23:08.000 I'm not saying it can't, but again, are parents given well-rounded information?

02:23:12.000 No, they're not.

02:23:13.000 They're not told that there are actually things you can do to prevent tetanus.

02:23:16.000 Shouldn't they at least be told how to clean out a wound and not to let anybody sew it up?

02:23:21.000 Secondary healing is a thing.

02:23:22.000 Some people get open-heart surgery, and because they get infections, I've seen this happen.

02:23:26.000 They just leave everything open and let it fill in on its own.

02:23:29.000 You end up with a big scar, but they're still alive because the infection was able to heal.

02:23:36.000 What is it like to have your entire view of medical history do a 180?

02:23:59.000 Like, what is it like to be a practicing doctor?

02:24:02.000 And someone who never would have imagined this until you faced these forces trying to get you vaccinated.

02:24:10.000 It's kind of exciting, actually, because during my medical residency, like towards the end of it, I was like, I just thought one day, I'm not a healer.

02:24:18.000 I don't know how to heal anything.

02:24:20.000 I'm just prolonging people's lives, treating their diseases with drugs.

02:24:23.000 Like, I'm a glorified pharmaceutical technician.

02:24:25.000 I realized that one day.

02:24:27.000 And I was like, I'm not a surgeon.

02:24:28.000 I can't do surgery.

02:24:29.000 So I write prescriptions.

02:24:30.000 I do diagnoses and I write prescriptions.

02:24:33.000 So I decided to go into a field where people really needed prescriptions.

02:24:37.000 Like, if you don't have kidney function, you're on dialysis.

02:24:39.000 Like, that's one of the glories of medicine.

02:24:40.000 Like, you can prolong people's lives.

02:24:42.000 I really enjoyed that.

02:24:43.000 But then after I left completely and started studying...

02:24:47.000 Real physiology beyond what I learned in medicine.

02:24:49.000 Look, I'm learning a lot of the stuff you're learning, too.

02:24:51.000 You know, the nootropics and all that stuff that you talk about.

02:24:54.000 Well, I'm learning about that.

02:24:55.000 I love it, actually.

02:24:57.000 It's exciting. 0.99

02:24:57.000 I've been liberated from a prison, essentially, from a stupid prison where my brain was locked down and I was told what to do and how to do it and then watching the results. 0.99

02:25:07.000 It would be one thing if the results were good, okay? 0.98

02:25:09.000 But the results aren't good.

02:25:10.000 Like, we treat symptoms.

02:25:12.000 We treat hypertension.

02:25:13.000 Hypertension is a symptom.

02:25:14.000 It's not a disease.

02:25:15.000 Hypertension. We come from lots of different things.

02:25:17.000 That's just one case in point.

02:25:19.000 So I really love being able to now have the freedom to look at the full human being and their physiology.

02:25:27.000 And look at them as an electromagnetic entity that has some chemicals and vitamins and help them direct their body back towards the blueprint that it was designed upon.

02:25:37.000 And that's, to me, what real healing and real medicine is about.

02:25:40.000 It's not about being anti-antibiotic, anti-this, anti-that.

02:25:43.000 It's like, how about pro-life?

02:25:45.000 How about we get your, you know, you're going out working every day.

02:25:47.000 That's great because you know why?

02:25:49.000 You're getting your blood and your lymph flowing and you're sweating.

02:25:51.000 You sweat, you know, aluminum comes out in your sweat.

02:25:54.000 Toxic metals come out in your sweat.

02:25:56.000 You create salt levels in your blood that stimulates your skin immune system, which is a separate entity.

02:26:01.000 I didn't know any of this when I was a conventionally practicing doctor.

02:26:06.000 I wanted to detoxify mercury out of my patients in order to lower their blood pressure, and I was told that that was not allowed.

02:26:13.000 It's like, well, then I don't want to do this anymore because I know from a hair mineral analysis and from a chelation test that that person is burdened with aluminum and mercury.

02:26:22.000 And I know that both of those things can raise blood pressure.

02:26:25.000 So why wouldn't we want to remove that?

02:26:27.000 The same reason we're not allowed to save vaccines.

02:26:30.000 You know what a multibillion-dollar industry blood pressure treatment is and cholesterol treatment is?

02:26:35.000 Oh, no.

02:26:36.000 Forget about it.

02:26:39.000 Yeah. I mean, I saw malignant hypertension happen after a tetanus shot in an adult patient of mine.

02:26:43.000 And so that was another one, you know, thing that woke me up.

02:26:46.000 And I was like, well, gosh, that's weird.

02:26:47.000 And then you'd look up, you see there's other case reports.

02:26:50.000 And then you're told, well, case reports don't mean anything.

02:26:53.000 You need randomized controlled studies.

02:26:57.000 Yeah, so it's like there's frustration at every corner, but I love doing what I do now, and I love the fact...

02:27:04.000 Look, it's all great.

02:27:05.000 I wouldn't change anything in my life, just put it that way.

02:27:08.000 And I'm really glad I have the background of conventional medicine, but that's like...

02:27:12.000 Background of conventional medicine is like year one and really learning about healing and life.

02:27:16.000 It's the very basics.

02:27:18.000 And doctors still need to keep learning.

02:27:21.000 But most conventional doctors are mandated to keep learning, but they're told where they can read to get their credits every year.

02:27:28.000 You can only get your credits from reading this and answering the questions like a good little doggie every year, which I still have to do.

02:27:36.000 But beyond that, when I have my own spare time, you know, like I've learned ozone therapy.

02:27:41.000 I've learned how to use vitamin C. I've learned how to look at the body electromagnetically and use bioresonance.

02:27:46.000 And there's just so much stuff you can do that really helps people and keeps them out of a whole bunch of trouble that they would have gotten into if they went and took allergy medicines and got their tonsils out or kept on their blood pressure medications and let the inflammation go wild in their body and didn't know anything about how to dampen.

02:28:02.000 Look, most disease comes from inflammation.

02:28:04.000 You know, cholesterol is trying to save you.

02:28:06.000 It's not trying to kill you.

02:28:07.000 The cholesterol is a response to inflammation.

02:28:10.000 It's like your fever is trying to save your life.

02:28:12.000 It's like everything in medicine is about dampening down the symptoms that are trying to save your life.

02:28:18.000 You know?

02:28:20.000 So it's like I look at it and I think, I can't believe I ever actually agreed upon that.

02:28:25.000 Well, it took a lot of courage to step out of line and speak your mind.

02:28:30.000 And I'm really glad you did.

02:28:32.000 Because I hope more will realize that this is what a doctor is supposed to do.

02:28:38.000 And you're not supposed to be a spokesperson for an industry that's pretty sociopathic, which makes some great strides.

02:28:47.000 There's a lot of amazing orthopedic surgeons and eye surgeons and neurosurgeons.

02:28:53.000 There's a lot of amazing work being done by medicine.

02:28:56.000 But then there's also the pharmaceutical drug company, which when attached to that and to the money people, they want to make more money.

02:29:05.000 Every time they can.

02:29:07.000 Every quarter, they want to have a bigger quarter.

02:29:09.000 They want a bigger house.

02:29:10.000 They want a bigger jet.

02:29:11.000 And they just keep going.

02:29:12.000 And the way to get money is to get you to take their stuff.

02:29:16.000 It's not to heal you.

02:29:17.000 The way they really make money is to convince you that you're sick.

02:29:21.000 And if that wasn't the case, we would have more medical freedom than we have, right?

02:29:25.000 Right. Because we would have choices.

02:29:26.000 We would have options.

02:29:27.000 We wouldn't be told what we have to do to protect the public.

02:29:30.000 You shouldn't be shamed for getting better from some other way.

02:29:34.000 That wouldn't be a thing.

02:29:35.000 I know.

02:29:36.000 That wouldn't be a thing.

02:29:37.000 Pretty crazy, isn't it?

02:29:37.000 Yeah, it's pretty weird.

02:29:39.000 Well, thank you very much for doing what you do and for writing that book because it was a real eye-opener for me.

02:29:46.000 I had no idea.

02:29:47.000 I had no idea the history of these things.

02:29:49.000 I had no idea the correlations between when the vaccine was induced and when the death rates had already dropped down.

02:29:57.000 I didn't know all that stuff until I read your book.

02:29:58.000 Who gave you the book?

02:29:59.000 I do not remember.

02:30:00.000 I don't remember.

02:30:01.000 Somebody recommended it.

02:30:03.000 Okay. And you read it.

02:30:05.000 Yeah. Cheers to you.

02:30:06.000 Well, it's a page-turner.

02:30:09.000 I listened to it in my car, too, and I listened to it in the sauna.

02:30:14.000 It's one of those books that you kind of have to go over it a couple of times just to sort of digest it and go, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait, hold on.

02:30:26.000 Apple cider vinegar they were using to stop people from getting smallpox? 0.99

02:30:29.000 Like, what the fuck is that? 0.99

02:30:31.000 How is that real? 0.99

02:30:32.000 Like, doctors were saying that they were treating people with smallpox and they didn't worry about getting it because they were consuming apple cider vinegar multiple times a day.

02:30:41.000 And it actually worked?

02:30:42.000 That's what the reports showed.

02:30:44.000 Even today, apple cider vinegar, you know, it's had a big resurgence in terms of, you know, keeping your gut pH nice and low so that you can digest your food better, which has downstream effects to everything, but it's also a fermented product.

02:30:56.000 You know, it's got a lot of benefits.

02:30:58.000 Not just that, but even on the skin.

02:30:59.000 It's like really great to put on chickenpox and probably smallpox as well.

02:31:03.000 But if I may, just direct people to dissolvingillusions.com because if you just go to Amazon, you're not going to...

02:31:10.000 There's two different versions of the book.

02:31:11.000 There's the original one that you read and then there's the 10th anniversary version that has 200 extra pages.

02:31:16.000 And we delineate early on what the new pages, what the new chapters are so you don't have to go read the old stuff if you don't want to.

02:31:23.000 What do the new 200 pages cover?

02:31:25.000 It covers tuberculosis.

02:31:28.000 This is one of the chapters I really love.

02:31:30.000 It's toxic medicine of the past, all the different crazy treatments that I was telling you about.

02:31:35.000 And then I added a whole bunch of the whooping cough, because more information came out after 2013.

02:31:39.000 So we added that in.

02:31:41.000 And then we published a second book, which is all full of doctor quotes from 200 years ago, because people say, why are you the only one?

02:31:47.000 It's like, well, I'm actually not the only one.

02:31:48.000 It's like, back then, this was what was recorded from doctors and public health officials, which is probably 1% of what.

02:31:54.000 Actually was said.

02:31:56.000 And then we have hard-to-find vaccination tragedies, Royal Commission on Vaccination, timeline, and then we have rare documents at the back that has, like, the Encyclopedia Britannica, where they hired a very highly decorated, well-known, highly respected doctor to write a chapter on smallpox.

02:32:14.000 And at the end, when he did what I did and basically looked at all the facts, he decimated the vaccine completely.

02:32:20.000 So you can't really find that very easily anymore.

02:32:23.000 So this one is called The Companion Book to Dissolving Illusions.

02:32:26.000 But you can see all the versions.

02:32:28.000 We've been translated into eight languages.

02:32:30.000 We're about to be translated into Chinese.

02:32:33.000 But the best resource is dissolvingillusions.com and it will show you what your options for purchase and where you can purchase the different books.

02:32:40.000 We have an alternative press for those people that don't want to do Amazon.

02:32:46.000 So, yeah, and all the different languages and the different versions are on there.

02:32:49.000 All right.

02:32:50.000 Yeah. Thank you again.

02:32:52.000 Thank you very much.

02:32:52.000 Thank you for what you're doing.

02:32:54.000 My pleasure.

02:32:54.000 All right.

The Joe Rogan Experience - March 26, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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