The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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00:00:15.000 Great to see you, man.

00:00:15.000 Great to see you guys always.

00:00:17.000 What the fuck's happening?

00:00:18.000 Welcome to America.

00:00:19.000 We love being here so much, Joe.

00:00:21.000 Your country just keeps getting weirder every time you visit.

00:00:23.000 Every time you visit, I want to ask you about some new video.

00:00:26.000 Something's yours, brother.

00:00:27.000 Let's be honest.

00:00:29.000 Guilty as charged.

00:00:32.000 I think we're really close to proof that the simulation is real.

00:00:38.000 I think this is why things are so preposterous.

00:00:43.000 Do you know, I try and argue against that, and then I see what's happening in all our countries, and I'm like, you know what?

00:00:49.000 Fine. Probably you've got a point now.

00:00:52.000 Yeah, you know when I really started...

00:00:54.000 We were actually talking about this yesterday.

00:00:55.000 I really started to genuinely consider it.

00:00:58.000 Like one of those where it snuck in through my defenses, my logical defenses.

00:01:03.000 When this girl, Heather McDonald, blacked out on stage while she was making jokes about being vaccinated.

00:01:09.000 And then she blacks out and cracks her skull.

00:01:12.000 Have you seen that?

00:01:12.000 Yes. Legitimately.

00:01:14.000 That was the first time in my life where I was like, there's no way.

00:01:18.000 I was like, they're fucking with us.

00:01:20.000 They're just fucking with us.

00:01:22.000 That can't be so dead on.

00:01:24.000 This is like God is a script writer.

00:01:28.000 How is that a real thing?

00:01:30.000 That that's a video where someone is...

00:01:32.000 She didn't do it when she was making fun of her boyfriend.

00:01:35.000 She didn't do it when she was talking about idiots in traffic.

00:01:38.000 It was when she was talking about the vaccine.

00:01:42.000 And how, you know, I even still got my period, so Jesus loves me more.

00:01:48.000 Like, there's no way!

00:01:50.000 It's too good!

00:01:51.000 The timing was exquisite!

00:01:54.000 You couldn't have, if you had a movie where that was a scene, you could not have scripted or timed it any better.

00:02:02.000 Where you would tell her, Ann, drop!

00:02:06.000 There's no way!

00:02:08.000 I started legitimately wondering then.

00:02:11.000 And I know that's a stupid example.

00:02:12.000 I'm very aware of it.

00:02:13.000 Like, you fucking moron.

00:02:14.000 All the things in the world, there's plenty of examples.

00:02:19.000 God, Jesus loves me the most.

00:02:20.000 So nice.

00:02:22.000 Look at this.

00:02:24.000 I mean, and the audience is laughing.

00:02:27.000 Probably the best laugh she got all night, right?

00:02:29.000 Because it's a big move.

00:02:30.000 It's a big move.

00:02:31.000 You know, if you're a pratfall person, no one expects it.

00:02:33.000 Like, ah, that's hilarious.

00:02:34.000 If it goes with the bit.

00:02:36.000 And it's timed perfectly, absolutely.

00:02:39.000 What's that quote?

00:02:40.000 God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh.

00:02:43.000 Wow. Who said that?

00:02:45.000 It was either, I've said it, and it's either Voltaire or Camus.

00:02:50.000 I can't remember which one.

00:02:51.000 Jamie will find out.

00:02:52.000 Yeah, but that's a quote.

00:02:53.000 God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh.

00:02:57.000 If that happened to me, Voltaire?

00:02:58.000 Voltaire. There you go.

00:02:59.000 If that happened to me, my Russian grandmother would be just like, God is punishing you.

00:03:05.000 Yeah, and that's why Russians are scary to fight.

00:03:09.000 They're harder people.

00:03:11.000 They're harder people.

00:03:13.000 Let alone listen.

00:03:14.000 We have business to discuss.

00:03:19.000 It just seems fake.

00:03:22.000 There's so much that seems fake.

00:03:24.000 It's like all the news...

00:03:27.000 Just the people that are politicians.

00:03:30.000 Everyone feels like they're...

00:03:31.000 Who's the Fetterman character?

00:03:34.000 This guy is wearing a hoodie and shorts.

00:03:37.000 That's the wacky neighbor.

00:03:39.000 And then Jasmine Crockett, she's that loud-mouthed lady from down the street.

00:03:43.000 And they're like, oh, here comes Jasmine.

00:03:45.000 Shit's gonna get crazy.

00:03:47.000 And Maxine Waters is like, oh, she's old.

00:03:49.000 Leave her alone.

00:03:50.000 It's like, these are fake people.

00:03:51.000 Nancy Pelosi, this giant-tittied lady who wants all the money.

00:03:56.000 She's been in politics for 150 years.

00:03:59.000 There's pictures of her with Kennedy.

00:04:00.000 I didn't realize Nancy Pelosi was well endowed.

00:04:03.000 Oh, boy.

00:04:04.000 Oh, boy.

00:04:06.000 Really? Yeah.

00:04:06.000 You've done the research?

00:04:07.000 Well, there's all these photos where people are calling her...

00:04:10.000 What's a gilf?

00:04:12.000 A grandma you'd like to...

00:04:13.000 Yeah. You've never seen her boobs?

00:04:19.000 No, I have never seen Nancy Pelosi's boobs, John.

00:04:21.000 No disrespect, Mrs. Pelosi.

00:04:24.000 I admire her for a stock...

00:04:25.000 Choices. Fantastic.

00:04:27.000 Those are legit.

00:04:30.000 You know, I've got to say, this is a great start to the podcast, and we aren't even stoned.

00:04:34.000 How did you not know?

00:04:35.000 How did you not know?

00:04:36.000 You're a grown man.

00:04:37.000 Look at the size of those fucking sweater hammers.

00:04:38.000 That is incredible.

00:04:39.000 That has made me a lot more in favor of Congress.

00:04:42.000 Hold that.

00:04:43.000 Go to that last picture.

00:04:44.000 This one might not have been.

00:04:45.000 That seems fake, but it might be from the Clinton administration.

00:04:48.000 See, these deep state vampires.

00:04:51.000 I really thought you were going to go somewhere else.

00:04:53.000 When you said deep, I went, this is going somewhere else.

00:04:57.000 These deep state vampires as hot as Nancy Pelosi used to be.

00:05:01.000 Deep state vampire, no disrespect, Mr. Pelosi.

00:05:04.000 They've been around in the system forever.

00:05:08.000 Like the relationships that those people make and the control that they establish and the Rolodex and I got shit on Lindsey and Lindsey's got shit on this guy and it's like, Jesus.

00:05:18.000 It's a fucking dirty business, man.

00:05:20.000 Oh, it's crazy.

00:05:21.000 Bro, it's the dirtiest.

00:05:22.000 It's the dirtiest business.

00:05:24.000 It's the dirtiest business in the world.

00:05:26.000 You know what I think now, that when I look at politics, and you look at wrestling, and I remember criticizing people who watch soap operas.

00:05:35.000 I remember just going, oh, they're so dumb.

00:05:37.000 And I remember my ex going to me, she went, Francis, you like soccer.

00:05:41.000 That's just soap opera, but for men.

00:05:44.000 And when you think about it, it kind of is.

00:05:46.000 We just buy into our different soap operas.

00:05:48.000 Except soccer's happening for real, and the soap opera's just a dumb pretend of a goofy life that's not real.

00:05:56.000 Yeah, but politics is kind of soap opera for, like, adults.

00:06:01.000 Yeah, sure.

00:06:02.000 I think it's teams for adults, for sure.

00:06:04.000 For people that don't like sports, it becomes like a giant part of their...

00:06:07.000 It's like a guy with a Cubs hat.

00:06:08.000 You know, I'm fucking Chicago Cubs, don't I die.

00:06:12.000 Don't I die, bro.

00:06:13.000 Chicago Cubs, one day we're gonna pull it up.

00:06:15.000 Like, people in Chicago, they fucking deliver...

00:06:18.000 You'll fight you in Philadelphia if you don't like the Eagles.

00:06:20.000 They will fight you.

00:06:21.000 Like, if you go to a Philadelphia Eagles game and you're from another team, they will beat your fucking ass.

00:06:26.000 And it happens all the time.

00:06:29.000 And that's crazy.

00:06:31.000 You're both Americans.

00:06:32.000 Like, this is the dumbest thing of all time.

00:06:33.000 Like, one's from a different city, so they're your enemy, because they support a different football team.

00:06:38.000 We do it with everything.

00:06:39.000 I know you find that shocking, Joe, but in England, in Britain, that is, like, run-of-the-mill.

00:06:44.000 So, in the 70s and 80s, each football team, and to some extent now, they had their own what's called a firm, which are these hooligans whose only thing...

00:06:53.000 They didn't really give a shit about the football, the soccer.

00:06:55.000 They would get together with the supporters of the firms of...

00:06:58.000 Other teams to have fights in the car park outside the stadium.

00:07:03.000 And they would travel all around the country doing that.

00:07:06.000 It's one thing I love about American sports.

00:07:08.000 You can go to the game with your kids and not worry about the stuff that people are going to be screaming and shouting and all that violence.

00:07:15.000 You are a lot more chilled out than we are in Europe about that stuff, believe it or not.

00:07:19.000 Oh, I do believe it.

00:07:20.000 I do believe it.

00:07:21.000 But any group like that, like soccer, traveling group, you're going to attract some fucking psychos that hop along.

00:07:28.000 It's like when the Grateful Dead go on tour.

00:07:30.000 I bet they're not specifically asking.

00:07:32.000 If you're like a psycho cult leader And you want to pick up some people.

00:07:45.000 You're going to go to a place where everyone's on acid.

00:07:47.000 You're going to go to a Phish concert and explain to them, you know, you guys, I know you're in between apartments right now.

00:07:53.000 We have an amazing community and everyone's accepted.

00:07:56.000 And next thing you know, you're in a cult.

00:07:57.000 Yeah. Next thing you know, next thing you know, you're doing acid with this fucking weirdo and, you know, he's in the lotus position and you're all pretending that this is normal.

00:08:07.000 But you know what's really interesting about soccer is that that hooligan element, that's not just in the UK.

00:08:12.000 That's right the way through Europe and in South America.

00:08:15.000 It's New Zealand too, right?

00:08:16.000 Don't they duke it out in New Zealand?

00:08:18.000 No, no, no.

00:08:19.000 Rugby is kind of different because football with the hooligan element.

00:08:23.000 So in Italian soccer, for example, they have what the hooligans are called the ultras.

00:08:29.000 And they're so powerful that if the team is playing badly...

00:08:33.000 Then what the captain has to do, he then gets, in some instances, the ultras have blockaded the stadium, refused that the players leave, and the captain is then demanded to go and have a meeting with the head ultra.

00:08:49.000 Oh my god!

00:08:53.000 The kind of pressure while you're playing a world-class soccer match.

00:08:57.000 Yeah, so then this kid, and let's be fair, he's a kid in his mid to late 20s probably, then has to go out and have a meeting with this 40-year-old tattooed psycho and then explain to him exactly why the team is underperforming.

00:09:12.000 Wow. That's basically what professional sports is, especially soccer.

00:09:16.000 It's like you're trying to do your best in front of 50,000 people who are all screaming that you're a cunt.

00:09:23.000 That's basically it.

00:09:25.000 In that sense, fighting is more pure.

00:09:28.000 Because people don't really get upset at a fighter for losing.

00:09:32.000 You're really more like celebrate the other guy for winning.

00:09:35.000 It's very rare the fighter gets demonished for losing.

00:09:39.000 They would have to lose in a specific way.

00:09:41.000 They'd have to quit somehow.

00:09:43.000 But there's none of that in the UFC.

00:09:45.000 Because to get at that level, you can't have any of that in you.

00:09:49.000 By the time you get to the big show, those guys are tried and proven.

00:09:55.000 There's no cowards in that group.

00:09:58.000 They don't get that same kind of criticism that athletes have.

00:10:03.000 Also, it's like literally your life's on the line.

00:10:06.000 It's a different thing you're doing than just a sport, which is why the regular kind of journalism doesn't work in MMA.

00:10:14.000 Sports journalism, in the United States at least, is super insulting.

00:10:21.000 Everybody's, he's a bum, he's lazy.

00:10:24.000 He doesn't do the work in the offseason, and we're seeing it now.

00:10:28.000 He's a fucking loser.

00:10:30.000 They like to do that.

00:10:31.000 Same in the UK, man.

00:10:32.000 Bro, you do that about fighters, and they'll find you.

00:10:36.000 They'll fucking smack you in your face.

00:10:38.000 This is their soul, their bearing in front of the world.

00:10:41.000 And for you, some fat guy...

00:10:43.000 Chewing Adderall and typing into a MacBook Air.

00:10:47.000 Fuck you!

00:10:48.000 That guy will smack you in your fucking head.

00:10:50.000 He's a terrifying human being, trying his best.

00:10:53.000 And you have to describe it that way, because it's a different thing than someone who doesn't hit free throws.

00:11:00.000 It's a different thing.

00:11:02.000 Did you ever hear the story?

00:11:03.000 I think it was a guy called Curtis.

00:11:04.000 I think it was Curtis Woodhouse.

00:11:06.000 It was someone like that.

00:11:07.000 So it may not have been Curtis, but it was someone of that ilk.

00:11:10.000 He was a middleweight champion, but he wasn't European or world, but he was a British middleweight champion, which is still a huge achievement.

00:11:20.000 Anyway, so this kid was trolling him.

00:11:22.000 This happened about 10 years ago, 10, 12 years ago.

00:11:24.000 And this kid was trolling him online and saying all this horrendous stuff.

00:11:29.000 And the guy just responded.

00:11:30.000 He went, right, I've had enough now and I'm coming to find you.

00:11:33.000 And the kid was just like, ah, yeah, you're going to come and find me.

00:11:36.000 And he goes, bro, I know you live in Birmingham.

00:11:39.000 And the kid's like, yeah, but Birmingham's a big place.

00:11:41.000 He went, no, I know people and we will get your address.

00:11:46.000 And then so he then started posting photos on his Twitter going, driving to Birmingham to see you.

00:11:52.000 And then he went, oh, and then he took a photo of the sign of his town.

00:11:56.000 And he went, I'm coming to see you.

00:11:58.000 And then he took a photo at the bottom of his road and he went, you best come out because we're going to be talking.

00:12:03.000 And the kid just went, and just apologised.

00:12:08.000 And he went, that's cool, bro.

00:12:10.000 And he just went, knocked on his door and had a conversation with him.

00:12:12.000 Jesus. And he was just like, look.

00:12:15.000 What did he look like?

00:12:17.000 It was just like this little fat kid.

00:12:22.000 But we're giving people the power and the tools that they don't deserve.

00:12:27.000 And I don't say that they don't deserve it as human beings.

00:12:32.000 I mean, you're not capable of handling this kind of responsibility.

00:12:37.000 To be able to reach out to a middleweight champion and call him a pussy.

00:12:41.000 That's a crazy thing to do.

00:12:43.000 And if you're like 15 years old and you have this ability, you shouldn't have a license to do that yet.

00:12:48.000 It's almost like a driver's license.

00:12:50.000 Maybe you should have an internet license.

00:12:52.000 No, Billy, you can't post another picture of your dick, you fucking psycho.

00:12:58.000 You can't just put up permanently.

00:13:02.000 Things that could ruin your entire life when you're 15. Maybe there should be that.

00:13:06.000 Maybe it should be like all kids internet until they're 21. Everything they post disappears in 15 seconds and you can't take a screenshot of it.

00:13:16.000 Let them be kids!

00:13:17.000 Let them be kids!

00:13:19.000 People are getting fired for fucking posts they made when they were in high school.

00:13:23.000 Where someone digs up some old Facebook post they made joking around when they were in high school.

00:13:27.000 Yeah, well, we interviewed someone.

00:13:29.000 Have you seen Adolescence, this thing that's doing...

00:13:31.000 It's supposed to be the most watched thing on Netflix.

00:13:33.000 It's on course.

00:13:34.000 I've heard of it, but I haven't seen it.

00:13:36.000 Yeah. So it's about...

00:13:37.000 Spoiler alert, so if you don't want to just tune out, but it's basically about a 13-year-old kid who is getting bullied by a girl at school.

00:13:47.000 She calls him an incel or whatever, and he goes and stabs her and kills her.

00:13:50.000 And it's crazy.

00:13:52.000 And it's all about that.

00:13:53.000 And we had a big...

00:13:54.000 We had this guy, an incel expert on to talk about it.

00:13:57.000 A guy who's actually in Austin here.

00:13:58.000 Wait a minute.

00:13:59.000 He's an incel expert?

00:14:00.000 Yeah. Not practicing.

00:14:02.000 I understand.

00:14:03.000 That's why he came to see us, Josh.

00:14:05.000 Imagine that's your field of choice.

00:14:07.000 Yeah. You're like, you know what?

00:14:08.000 I want to find out what's going on.

00:14:10.000 He researches incels.

00:14:12.000 He actually works with David Buss.

00:14:13.000 You've had him on the show, right?

00:14:15.000 Yes. Yeah, yeah.

00:14:16.000 We wanted to have him on.

00:14:17.000 Yeah, David Buss, evolutionary psychologist.

00:14:20.000 Wait a minute.

00:14:21.000 You have had him on.

00:14:22.000 Yeah, you did.

00:14:22.000 Because I listened to the episode, Joe.

00:14:23.000 This is how confusing it is to have 2,500 episodes.

00:14:28.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:14:28.000 Like, wait a minute, what?

00:14:30.000 Sometimes I hear about a guy, I'm like, wow, that guy's interesting.

00:14:32.000 And then I Google him, I'm like, fuck.

00:14:34.000 Talked to that dude seven years ago.

00:14:36.000 Two years ago.

00:14:37.000 Two years ago.

00:14:38.000 Yeah, my brain's mush right now.

00:14:40.000 Let me see a photo of Mr. Buss.

00:14:42.000 Yeah, you've heard.

00:14:43.000 He's one of the greatest evolutionary psychologists in the world, I think.

00:14:46.000 One of the pioneers.

00:14:48.000 Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

00:14:50.000 That guy was fascinating.

00:14:51.000 He's friends with Jordan.

00:14:53.000 I went to dinner with him in Jordan one night.

00:14:55.000 Jordan Peterson.

00:14:56.000 And, yeah, it's fascinating.

00:14:58.000 And, you know, that was also, like, super problematic because he highlights the differences between male psychology and female psychology.

00:15:04.000 And people want to deny that that's a thing.

00:15:07.000 So, like, okay, well, okay, with respect to trans people...

00:15:11.000 You know, use whatever pronoun you like, change your name, but are we allowed to talk about the inherent differences between males and females that we've observed?

00:15:20.000 Or are we supposed to ignore data and statistics in reality?

00:15:24.000 And our fucking eyes, man.

00:15:26.000 That's the other thing.

00:15:27.000 This is his field of study his whole life.

00:15:29.000 Imagine your field of study all of a sudden becomes problematic.

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00:17:19.000 The water is racist.

00:17:21.000 So you're giving in to the dumbest notions.

00:17:24.000 And it's happening at scale.

00:17:26.000 And it seems like there's two factions in what I would call the American left right now.

00:17:31.000 There's the reasonable people that are like, hey, hey, hey, we've got to just stop being fucking crazy.

00:17:35.000 Like the Bill Maher's and a lot of other folks like that.

00:17:38.000 They're like, we've got to stop being crazy and just appeal to rational people.

00:17:43.000 Don't go all the way over there.

00:17:46.000 Stick where most people are.

00:17:48.000 And then there's people that, well, we've got to go further left.

00:17:51.000 Then there's people like, we've got to take over Tesla dealerships.

00:17:54.000 We've got to light cars on fire.

00:17:56.000 The left is, like, justifying spraying Nazi swastikas on cars.

00:18:01.000 Like, this is crazy!

00:18:02.000 They've gone so far over this.

00:18:04.000 So there's one side that's just, like, radicalized in the worst way possible that's a huge detriment to the Democratic Party because it makes everyone look like a psycho.

00:18:15.000 If you have a psycho in your groups, like, if you have, like, a white nationalist, you know, Christian fundamentalist burning down black churches in your— and he says, I'm a part of the right as a right-wing conservative.

00:18:26.000 Whoa! That guy poisoned the right.

00:18:28.000 These people are poisoning the left.

00:18:30.000 Totally. All the people that don't want trans kids competing with their kids in school and they don't want gender ideology being taught in class.

00:18:35.000 All those people who are just rational, normal liberals that have voted Democrat their whole life.

00:18:40.000 They're like, what the fuck?

00:18:42.000 What are you doing?

00:18:43.000 Why are you letting guys into the women's room?

00:18:45.000 This is crazy.

00:18:46.000 A guy with a beard and a dress is in the women's room.

00:18:49.000 This is bananas.

00:18:50.000 Like, what are you doing in the name of compassion?

00:18:52.000 Like, this is fucking insane.

00:18:54.000 You have to figure that puzzle out.

00:18:56.000 Because right now they lost to Trump and they're in this scattered thing where they're trying to shit on everything he does, hide all the good stuff.

00:19:05.000 You didn't hear a peep.

00:19:06.000 About Elon rescuing those people.

00:19:08.000 That should have been on all of the news stories all day long.

00:19:12.000 We should have had a live stream of it.

00:19:15.000 It should have been a huge national event.

00:19:17.000 We're finally going to rescue the astronauts who are trapped in the space station for eight fucking months.

00:19:24.000 And this super genius, this Elon Musk character, is the guy who figured out how to go get them.

00:19:29.000 His company went and rescued them because we can't do it anymore.

00:19:33.000 We couldn't rescue them.

00:19:34.000 We had to rely on his company.

00:19:36.000 And you don't hear shit about it.

00:19:37.000 You don't hear shit about it.

00:19:38.000 It's crazy.

00:19:39.000 You hear a few stories.

00:19:40.000 They're having a hard time coming back.

00:19:42.000 But why weren't they live streaming the whole thing?

00:19:46.000 That's a huge moment.

00:19:48.000 You're recovering these poor people.

00:19:50.000 This is a giant special interest story that would grab so many headlines and it would have so much ratings because everybody wants to see it.

00:19:58.000 Oh my god, they're going to get the astronauts.

00:20:00.000 You'd be sitting on your couch with your family.

00:20:01.000 Are they going to get them?

00:20:02.000 Is it going to dock?

00:20:03.000 Is it going to work?

00:20:04.000 You know, all that shit.

00:20:06.000 Well, the hope is, man, the reality is the best teacher, right?

00:20:10.000 So the Democrat brand is so destroyed now, so toxic, that they're going to have to work something out, because if not, they're just going to keep losing.

00:20:17.000 They're going to go with Bernie and AOC, and that's why they've been astroturfing all these giant arenas.

00:20:24.000 They did an analysis of, find out if this is true, because I read this on X, and sometimes the community notes doesn't get there in time.

00:20:33.000 But they were saying that...

00:20:35.000 They claimed there was 30,000 people, but they got all the cell phone data and they found out there was 24,000 cell phones.

00:20:41.000 So they fudged it a little bit.

00:20:43.000 That sounds normal.

00:20:43.000 But they also said that a huge number of these people had been to 20-plus events and a lot of other different, like, progressive events.

00:20:54.000 And it seems like, at least in some of them, for sure, they were paying people.

00:20:59.000 So they're giving people money to get on a bus, go to this place, here's your sign, go have fun.

00:21:06.000 And so you're doing something different, right?

00:21:09.000 You're pretending that these people are all coming out to see you.

00:21:12.000 But they're coming out to see you because you're giving them money and free food.

00:21:15.000 Right. And, you know, you're handing out water bottles and everybody gets a sign and everybody seems like they're kind of a part of a team.

00:21:21.000 And for a lot of losers, a lot of people that don't have things going well in their life, and like, you know, I was a loser at many points in my life.

00:21:28.000 If somebody called me up and said, Hey, man, you want to make 400 bucks and just go to this Kamala Harris rally?

00:21:32.000 I'm like, yeah, let's go.

00:21:33.000 I would 100% go.

00:21:35.000 I would 100% go with no political...

00:21:37.000 And then I'd probably think she's cool.

00:21:40.000 I'd be like, yeah, I'm fucking voting for her, dude.

00:21:41.000 He's Hitler.

00:21:42.000 We've got to stop Hitler.

00:21:43.000 And I'd be holding up that stupid sign.

00:21:46.000 If you found me when I was 21, 100% I would have taken that 400 bucks.

00:21:51.000 They were giving out 1,000 bucks for people to protest.

00:21:56.000 I think it was Tesla.

00:21:57.000 I'm not sure about that, but I think it was Hesla.

00:21:59.000 So they had, like, the rules of engagement.

00:22:03.000 If someone comes after you, hit them in the body, don't pick up an object unless they pick up an object first.

00:22:10.000 Like, are you organizing gangs?

00:22:12.000 Like, are you guys paying money for people and then literally saying to them, Here's what happens if you engage in violence.

00:22:21.000 Like, why is that even on the table?

00:22:23.000 I thought you guys were peacefully protesting.

00:22:25.000 Like, who's going to get violence?

00:22:27.000 How many pro-Tesla fucking hooligans are out there beating people up for Tesla?

00:22:34.000 Is it fucking zero?

00:22:36.000 I have not seen a bunch of pro-Tesla gang members out there.

00:22:41.000 So what are you going to encounter with this anti-Tesla movement?

00:22:45.000 The police?

00:22:47.000 Who's going to stop you from doing it?

00:22:49.000 Who's going to engage with you?

00:22:50.000 You're kind of talking in a way that at least puts it on the table that violence might take place.

00:22:59.000 And you're paying people.

00:23:01.000 And because they destroyed language, now it sort of logically makes sense, right, if these people are Nazis.

00:23:09.000 If you actually thought they were Nazis, like, if you actually thought Nazis had taken over your country, you'd pick up a gun, right?

00:23:15.000 You shouldn't need a thousand bucks and free lunch.

00:23:18.000 A thousand bucks and free lunch is crazy!

00:23:20.000 You need to smooth things over, make it easier.

00:23:22.000 Yeah, you need to subsidize your movement, you know what I mean?

00:23:24.000 Yeah, I would have a hard time doing the thousand bucks one.

00:23:28.000 I'd be like, bro, we're going to jail.

00:23:30.000 I'd be like, I'm not that stupid.

00:23:31.000 I'll hold the sign, I'll go to the rally, but if I was 21, they said, look, a thousand bucks, I want to protest against Tesla, I'd be like, hold on.

00:23:39.000 What happens if we get arrested?

00:23:40.000 Like, this guy's rich.

00:23:42.000 He's not going to let you light his fucking cars on fire, stupid.

00:23:46.000 He's the richest man on earth.

00:23:47.000 Like, what are you talking about?

00:23:49.000 Yeah, but you are someone who's got a family.

00:23:51.000 You're well-adjusted.

00:23:52.000 Even when I was young, I had survival instincts.

00:23:56.000 Yeah. That's what I'm saying.

00:23:57.000 A lot of these people, when you look at their mugshot...

00:24:00.000 I don't want to be unkind, but they don't look particularly well, a lot of them.

00:24:04.000 That's 100% true.

00:24:06.000 And I think we need to have a lot of compassion for young people that get caught up in these movements and do silly things.

00:24:13.000 And even vandalism, they just need to understand that that should never be on the table.

00:24:21.000 No violent acts are ever justified, especially if someone's not being violent to you.

00:24:27.000 If you decide to just go smash property and...

00:24:30.000 Light things on fire.

00:24:31.000 You don't serve your cause because rational, reasonable people are not going to do that.

00:24:37.000 They're not going to light Starbucks on fire because Black Lives Matter.

00:24:40.000 That's crazy.

00:24:41.000 But if you get caught up in this, fuck the corporate thing, man.

00:24:46.000 Fuck the man.

00:24:47.000 Fuck the banks.

00:24:48.000 Fuck this.

00:24:49.000 And you just want to start lighting things on fire.

00:24:52.000 You're just serving them because they will develop better and stronger ways to crack.

00:24:58.000 Down on protests now.

00:25:00.000 And all the people that wanted to protest reasonably, all the people that wanted to express themselves and say, we stand together to say that this is wrong.

00:25:09.000 Those people are all going to get hosed.

00:25:11.000 Because you lit Starbucks on fire, you fucking idiot.

00:25:16.000 But they're young.

00:25:18.000 A lot of these people, they have fucking blue hair.

00:25:20.000 They probably had a shitty childhood.

00:25:21.000 They're running around experiencing freedom for the first time in their life for the last 16 months.

00:25:28.000 This is their first freedom out of their parents' house.

00:25:30.000 And they get caught up in shit, just like people get caught up in being in cults.

00:25:34.000 People get caught up in all kinds of things.

00:25:37.000 We just have to have more compassion for people and better mentorship.

00:25:41.000 One of the real problems is that kids go to universities and almost universally they're given this ideology that this whole university and almost every university ascribes to.

00:25:52.000 And it's universal.

00:25:55.000 It's uniform.

00:25:57.000 There's less liberal ones, but they're almost all liberal.

00:26:01.000 They're almost all higher learning.

00:26:03.000 There's only a few conservative universities.

00:26:07.000 It's just a weird time for thinking and for discourse and for deciding what team you're on.

00:26:13.000 It's like everyone's scared and scrambling.

00:26:16.000 Do we go red or blue?

00:26:18.000 The whole country's in this weird state of disarray.

00:26:21.000 And it's very tribal.

00:26:23.000 And you see it now as well, now that the right is in political power.

00:26:27.000 A lot of the people who kind of made their bones challenging the excesses of the left, they're afraid to say anything about the right as well.

00:26:33.000 Even though there's things to say.

00:26:34.000 Like, I don't know if you followed the signal group thing.

00:26:37.000 Yeah, I did.

00:26:38.000 I don't know enough about it, but it does seem like there's people that suspect that it was a setup.

00:26:44.000 That guy was added to the chat on purpose.

00:26:46.000 Is that true?

00:26:48.000 I don't think so.

00:26:49.000 I think the guy who added him has basically said, like, it was our mistake.

00:26:54.000 So it was just a mistake.

00:26:56.000 I don't think the investigation has been done to say definitively, but I think the White House said, we're looking into this, but Tulsi, I think, said it was a mistake.

00:27:04.000 I think Mike Waltz said it was a mistake.

00:27:06.000 That's such a crazy mistake.

00:27:07.000 Yeah. That's such a checks and balances mistake, like double check.

00:27:10.000 Yes. It's like, you know, when you go on the road, like, do I have my toothbrush?

00:27:14.000 Do I have my underwear?

00:27:15.000 You know what I mean?

00:27:15.000 Like, I even make a note on my phone now.

00:27:17.000 I'm like, I'm too stupid.

00:27:18.000 I always forget something.

00:27:19.000 I always like, fuck!

00:27:20.000 Buy this.

00:27:21.000 You know, it's kind of like adding your ex-girlfriend to the boys' WhatsApp group.

00:27:27.000 Some of the memes have been incredible.

00:27:30.000 That's exactly what it's like.

00:27:31.000 Dude, that's so good.

00:27:33.000 That's so good.

00:27:33.000 That's exactly what it's like.

00:27:35.000 That's such a perfect analogy.

00:27:37.000 Like, you fucking idiot!

00:27:39.000 They're all on the phone afterwards.

00:27:40.000 What the fuck, bro?

00:27:42.000 You know, Pete Heggs that swears.

00:27:44.000 Yeah. You know, he's like, what the fuck, bro?

00:27:47.000 You know she's going to talk.

00:27:48.000 But how about the fact that they said that they didn't share any information about weapons or like, what was the exact quotes?

00:27:56.000 What did they say?

00:27:57.000 So what they were basically doing was explaining how some shit was going to go down.

00:28:02.000 Yeah. They were debating how to do the strikes, whether to do them.

00:28:07.000 There was some debate about that initially.

00:28:09.000 And then, initially, this journalist, I think he's editor-in-chief of the Atlantic, I think.

00:28:16.000 Which is, he is like the worst guy to get this information to.

00:28:20.000 Absolutely, right?

00:28:21.000 He was probably jerking off the whole time, salivating, like, yes!

00:28:25.000 Yeah, if you had to pick somebody, that is not who you pick, right?

00:28:28.000 He must be so pumped.

00:28:30.000 You know, we had an investigative journalist on the show, and we haven't released the episode yet, but as part of our after-the-show questions, he mentioned something, which is, he said, Going from memory here, so Francis, correct me, but basically that Signal had been installed on government devices under the previous administration.

00:28:48.000 So it may be the case that that guy's number had been pre-installed during that time.

00:28:55.000 And because of that, the mistake was then made to add him to the group.

00:29:00.000 So, we don't know exactly what happened, but at the same time, what I'm saying is, like, the White House admitted it, and then they started having a go at the journalist.

00:29:09.000 Like, that is not his fucking fault that you added him to the group, right?

00:29:12.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:29:12.000 Not at all.

00:29:13.000 What's he supposed to do?

00:29:14.000 Tell you?

00:29:14.000 Hey, guys, uh, I've done that before.

00:29:17.000 I think you sent this text to the wrong dude.

00:29:20.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:29:21.000 A journalist is never gonna do that, and that's not his job to do that either.

00:29:24.000 No. No.

00:29:25.000 Listen, that's one of those things that just happens accidentally.

00:29:28.000 Yeah. But you can't have that happen when you're fucking playing.

00:29:30.000 When you're planning bombs.

00:29:31.000 Agreed. When you're planning war.

00:29:33.000 Agreed. First of all, it's so crazy that the government doesn't have its own completely safe app.

00:29:41.000 They do.

00:29:42.000 What is it?

00:29:42.000 I think it's called a skiff or something like that.

00:29:45.000 It's a special place where you go.

00:29:47.000 No, but that's a room.

00:29:47.000 I mean an app.

00:29:48.000 Oh, you mean an app?

00:29:49.000 All right.

00:29:50.000 Why do they not have some encrypted super government app?

00:29:54.000 You're telling me that you couldn't get, like, a license from Signal to use the code the government throws them.

00:29:59.000 They, like, all these billions that are just, they're finding billions all over them.

00:30:03.000 There's, like, billions they've cut.

00:30:04.000 Like, how many fucking billions has Elon cut just from waste?

00:30:07.000 Just waste.

00:30:09.000 It's crazy, and people aren't celebrating it.

00:30:13.000 It's weird.

00:30:14.000 Well, put it this way, Joe.

00:30:16.000 Until relatively recently, if not still, we use faxes in UK government.

00:30:22.000 Wow. That's crazy.

00:30:24.000 I think you won better.

00:30:26.000 I think when people retire from, what is it where they have to retire where they have to write it down on paper and then it's stored in a vault?

00:30:32.000 In a mine.

00:30:33.000 It's stored in a mine.

00:30:34.000 Social Security?

00:30:37.000 It's on paper.

00:30:38.000 It's in a mine.

00:30:41.000 I love that press conference as well because it's like Bret Baier from Fox interviewing Elon and like seven other Aspie guys and they're all just rattling off numbers.

00:30:49.000 It's 10,000 filing cabinets, 400,000 paper documents.

00:30:52.000 But when you look at it, it basically hasn't changed since the 1950s.

00:30:55.000 Yeah. I'm distracted by Bret Baier's hair.

00:30:58.000 It's so beautiful.

00:31:00.000 If I had that kind of hair, I'd be so happy.

00:31:02.000 So happy with myself.

00:31:04.000 You can't see any scalp anywhere.

00:31:06.000 It's just all hair.

00:31:07.000 It's beautiful.

00:31:07.000 It's like, if you wanted to put a wig on a bald guy, you would make it like that.

00:31:11.000 Like, bro, I'm going to make you hot.

00:31:13.000 Yeah, Gavin Newsom has got incredible hair.

00:31:15.000 Terrible policies, but amazing hair.

00:31:17.000 The government stores key retirement paperwork in a converted mine.

00:31:23.000 That's crazy.

00:31:25.000 The limestone mine is real and the Department of Government Efficiency's crosshairs.

00:31:29.000 That is so insane.

00:31:30.000 So now someone has to go in there and take all that stuff that's on paper in the mine.

00:31:35.000 And put it in a computer.

00:31:36.000 They're saying they're gonna do it in two months.

00:31:39.000 Digitize that in two months.

00:31:40.000 Adderall is great.

00:31:42.000 I'm so happy someone invented it.

00:31:45.000 Low-level autism plus Adderall.

00:31:47.000 Problem solved.

00:31:49.000 I'm not accusing anyone of anything.

00:31:50.000 I just want to say.

00:31:52.000 Shout out to whoever made Adderall.

00:31:54.000 Things get done.

00:31:55.000 They do.

00:31:57.000 Things get done.

00:31:57.000 But this is kind of the greatest pushback against high-level conspiracy theories.

00:32:02.000 You know when people go, bro, they control everything.

00:32:05.000 You're like, dude.

00:32:06.000 They have a mine where they store stuff.

00:32:09.000 Come on.

00:32:09.000 Yeah. You know what I mean?

00:32:10.000 Right. It's like the perfect...

00:32:12.000 Everybody thinks that everything is a giant plot and some of it is just sheer incompetence and just years and years and years of monotony.

00:32:21.000 You know?

00:32:22.000 Or just like the same stupid life over and over again.

00:32:26.000 No oversight.

00:32:27.000 Rampant corruption everywhere.

00:32:30.000 All the lobbyists are rich as fuck.

00:32:33.000 I mean, look at this file line.

00:32:36.000 Look at this.

00:32:36.000 This is all the data.

00:32:39.000 Well, bro, you make such a good point about nobody giving them credit.

00:32:42.000 I don't know if you've ever had access to other people's money, like in any way, right?

00:32:47.000 Taxpayer money or anything.

00:32:49.000 But I can tell you, Francis and I, we even spent trigonometry, which is our business.

00:32:54.000 Money differently to the way that we spend our own, because it's slightly different.

00:32:58.000 It's not entirely yours in a way, you know?

00:33:01.000 So when you're dealing with billions of taxpayer dollars, of course it's getting wasted.

00:33:05.000 Of course it's going to corrupt shit.

00:33:08.000 Of course.

00:33:09.000 It's inevitable.

00:33:10.000 What are you, a child?

00:33:11.000 If no one's watching them, duh.

00:33:13.000 Right. Fucking duh.

00:33:15.000 It's what all people do.

00:33:16.000 And the question is, what I don't understand is, look, I think it's very possible that when you move quickly, you're going to cancel some things that you might not want to cancel.

00:33:24.000 Things are not going to go perfectly every time, whatever.

00:33:27.000 But ultimately, the question all Western countries have to answer is, we're running debt at more than 100% of GDP, right?

00:33:34.000 What are we going to do about that?

00:33:35.000 We have to deal with it somehow.

00:33:37.000 What's this wee shit?

00:33:39.000 Bro, you're worse than we are.

00:33:41.000 Really? Yeah, you're 126%, we're about 110.

00:33:45.000 Goddamn, really?

00:33:46.000 Yeah. Wow.

00:33:47.000 Yeah, that's why you're trying to deal with it.

00:33:48.000 That's what Elon is trying to do.

00:33:50.000 He's trying to cut the deficit in half and then the idea is you grow the economy and you actually get back to surplus.

00:33:55.000 When he keeps finding all of these companies that are getting like a billion here and two billion there and all, like the Stacey Abrams one where they're going to give energy efficient...

00:34:07.000 Appliances to poor people?

00:34:08.000 Yeah. Two billion dollars?

00:34:11.000 Yeah. It's like, what did you do?

00:34:12.000 Like, what did you do?

00:34:13.000 Like, there's a bunch of those.

00:34:14.000 Like, what did you do?

00:34:15.000 Like, the high-speed internet one?

00:34:16.000 Yeah. What did you do?

00:34:18.000 How come you got billions of dollars and fucking nothing happened?

00:34:22.000 Imagine if you were a private company and you had a segment.

00:34:25.000 Like, imagine we were all a company.

00:34:26.000 And we're like, Francis, I think you should be in charge of figuring out how to do this with the phone.

00:34:34.000 I'd be like, we've already fucked you up.

00:34:36.000 Trust me, I don't have a business with this guy.

00:34:38.000 That's a bad idea.

00:34:39.000 I'm giving you $4 billion to get this done.

00:34:41.000 And then I never talk to you again.

00:34:44.000 I never check in.

00:34:45.000 I don't say, I don't go, hey, where's the fucking money being spent?

00:34:49.000 What are you doing, man?

00:34:50.000 How come the phone can't do this yet?

00:34:51.000 I don't ask for any progress reports.

00:34:54.000 You just keep getting money.

00:34:56.000 This is bananas.

00:34:57.000 It's crazy.

00:34:58.000 And for anybody who doesn't want that to be more efficient, like, what are you working for?

00:35:03.000 If you're paying taxes, what are you working for?

00:35:09.000 Part of your day is the running of this government.

00:35:12.000 You're happy that it's being run like this?

00:35:14.000 You're happy that billions are going to places that no one can...

00:35:19.000 You have no receipts?

00:35:21.000 You don't know where it got spent?

00:35:22.000 You have no idea?

00:35:23.000 And that's legal?

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00:36:47.000 Yeah, it's sort of like, but I kind of think about it like this.

00:36:52.000 It's sort of the equivalent.

00:36:53.000 You know those direct debits that come out of your account?

00:36:56.000 Yeah, right.

00:36:57.000 You're like, what is that?

00:36:58.000 What's that?

00:36:59.000 What did I sign up for?

00:37:00.000 $2 trillion?

00:37:01.000 No, that's fine.

00:37:02.000 Cancel that gym membership.

00:37:03.000 What the fuck?

00:37:04.000 Yeah, and it keeps coming out.

00:37:05.000 You're like, you know what?

00:37:06.000 I'll deal with it later.

00:37:08.000 We've just got too many direct debits, and they're going all over the place.

00:37:11.000 Well, it's that, but then there's the fear that they're putting out there, which is the just fear, that they're going to fuck up Social Security, and they're going to fuck up Medicaid, and there's people that are relying on that, and they're going to lose their service for no...

00:37:25.000 They did no wrong.

00:37:27.000 Now, I don't know...

00:37:28.000 How, what the story is with that?

00:37:31.000 Like, I know there's people that have complained that the Social Security website has been down, it's been down a couple times, but I don't know if people are not getting their benefits.

00:37:40.000 Do we know?

00:37:41.000 Can we find that out?

00:37:43.000 I haven't heard that, Joe, but...

00:37:44.000 Jamie, do some research.

00:37:45.000 I think...

00:37:46.000 It is inevitable that when you do things this quickly...

00:37:51.000 But that's what everyone's afraid of, that the vulnerable people, the people that we should be protecting with these social programs that we all agree with.

00:37:58.000 Those are the people we have to protect the most.

00:38:00.000 We have to make sure that there's no disruptions.

00:38:02.000 You've got to make sure before you do anything, there's no disruptions.

00:38:05.000 Before you shoot the bad guy, make sure he's not holding a baby.

00:38:12.000 When people are on Social Security, man, that's not a lot of money, right?

00:38:19.000 And so you know they don't have any money in the bank probably.

00:38:21.000 And they probably have it all budgeted out to get on that check.

00:38:25.000 And they're probably real...

00:38:27.000 Krugel with their food choices, and that's a rough life, man.

00:38:30.000 And if you cut that off for 30 days, 90 days for people...

00:38:34.000 Okay, never missed a benefit payment.

00:38:37.000 U.S. Social Security Administration has never missed a benefit payment.

00:38:41.000 Now, the continuity of monthly checks for millions of Americans...

00:38:46.000 Could be at risk following changes under the Trump administration, former commissioner Martin O'Malley says.

00:38:52.000 So it's saying, okay, so the key point is it's saying before this, they've never missed a benefit payment.

00:38:58.000 But it's also not saying they are missing them now.

00:39:00.000 It's saying it could be at risk.

00:39:02.000 Okay, it just says threaten interruption of benefits, which is, look, what I would say if I was a Democrat.

00:39:07.000 If I wanted to make it look bad, I would say they're threatening your benefits, and then people go into a hot panic.

00:39:13.000 But you know, I remember when I was teaching, and I was teaching in schools that were super deprived, schools where the kids, a lot of them would come to school, they didn't have food in their bellies, etc, etc.

00:39:27.000 And there's an agency in the UK called CAMHS, which is Child and Mental Health Services.

00:39:35.000 And I remember that we had so many kids who had problems, psychological problems, particularly if you grow up.

00:39:42.000 Poor, deprived.

00:39:43.000 You know, you'd seen horrible stuff when you were a kid.

00:39:46.000 You had, you know, maybe like a brother who got involved in gangs, he's now in prison, a father who was never there.

00:39:51.000 There were so many kids who had this need and they had conditions which were undiagnosed, whether it's something like dyslexia or like your brother was murdered, you had some form of PTSD.

00:40:03.000 And you had this, you know, this agency which brought counsellors in, Experts are dealing with kids.

00:40:13.000 And I just remember because of austerity, this agency got cut after cut after cut after cut.

00:40:21.000 And you're looking at it and you're going, I understand we need to cut.

00:40:25.000 I understand we're running at a deficit.

00:40:28.000 But there needs to be balance as well because when you're looking at those type of agencies, they're really important.

00:40:36.000 They're really important.

00:40:37.000 And also...

00:40:38.000 If you invest that money and you're able to support those kids, they're far more likely when they leave school to be a healthy, happier member of society that's going to contribute tax pounds, sterling or tax dollars.

00:40:50.000 Do you think it's a reasonable request to have something that does that?

00:40:56.000 Something that helps feed poor kids, helps educate people, like genuinely helps communities all around the world?

00:41:05.000 Completely separate.

00:41:07.000 From all the other stuff that agency does.

00:41:10.000 Because USAID was a huge, huge, huge, gigantic organization of a bunch of different entities, right?

00:41:18.000 Which did some good stuff.

00:41:19.000 Yeah. And a lot of crazy shit.

00:41:21.000 A lot of crazy shit.

00:41:23.000 But if I was...

00:41:24.000 Someone who was, you know, nefariously running things.

00:41:27.000 I would definitely mix up my regime change operation with like giving food to poor people.

00:41:34.000 So look, we're doing great stuff.

00:41:35.000 Look at all the great stuff we're doing.

00:41:36.000 Here's what we're highlighting for this month.

00:41:38.000 You don't like feeding poor kids?

00:41:38.000 What's wrong with you?

00:41:39.000 Yeah, and no one even knew that they had this enormous budget that was...

00:41:44.000 Is it bigger than the Pentagon's?

00:41:46.000 Was USAID's budget bigger than the Pentagon's?

00:41:49.000 No. No?

00:41:51.000 0.6% of the budget.

00:41:53.000 What was USAID's budget?

00:41:55.000 Yeah, it's like 0.6% of the budget.

00:41:56.000 I know, but what was the numbers?

00:41:58.000 Because it was bigger than something, like the amount of money that USAID pays.

00:42:04.000 $21.7 billion for the fiscal year of 2024, 0.3% of the $6.8 trillion overall federal budget.

00:42:12.000 $6.1 trillion?

00:42:14.000 That's so crazy.

00:42:17.000 So you just think, just that money, how much of that money is fraud and waste?

00:42:21.000 Yeah. How much of that money is really good?

00:42:23.000 How much of that money, like, that should be separate from, at the very least, someone needs to go in an audit and go, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, Wells good giving these people arms because you want them to overthrow that government.

00:42:36.000 That's probably not so good.

00:42:37.000 Yeah. Or maybe it is good.

00:42:39.000 Or maybe it is good.

00:42:40.000 That's the problem.

00:42:41.000 It's like, you talk to guys like Mike Baker, who is very kind of stoic about all this.

00:42:46.000 It's like, you know, you have no choice.

00:42:49.000 Like, you need to get these people on your side in certain parts of the world, and this is just how it works.

00:42:54.000 And if you don't do that, then China does, or Russia does, and it gets even worse for you.

00:42:59.000 Yeah, because that's also the thing we don't get.

00:43:01.000 Okay, this Nigerian journalist.

00:43:03.000 Who are Nigerians or something?

00:43:05.000 They run some of the best fucking scams.

00:43:08.000 Shout out to Nigerian scammers.

00:43:10.000 Nigerian journalist falsely claims USAID budget larger than CIA, State Department combined.

00:43:16.000 So he falsely claimed it.

00:43:17.000 That's a big lesson.

00:43:19.000 And if you're going to lie, make it believable.

00:43:21.000 You know what I mean?

00:43:22.000 Don't go too big.

00:43:24.000 Isn't it crazy that as much money as they got, what was it?

00:43:26.000 How much billion?

00:43:28.000 21. 21 billion.

00:43:29.000 Still. It's a pittance.

00:43:31.000 It is.

00:43:32.000 That's a pittance compared to the other things.

00:43:34.000 You boys have a lot of money, Joe.

00:43:35.000 Isn't that nuts?

00:43:36.000 And we just keep making it.

00:43:38.000 Do you know what's bigger than your defense budget?

00:43:40.000 Your interest debt.

00:43:41.000 Debt on the interest.

00:43:43.000 Whoopsies. We'll figure that out.

00:43:45.000 We're like a crackhead with an unlimited bank account.

00:43:48.000 That's what we're like.

00:43:49.000 And this is a difficulty about it because we've got the same problem in European countries as well.

00:43:54.000 It's like...

00:43:55.000 You're not only going to deal with this by dealing with fraud and waste.

00:43:59.000 We're actually going to have to not do some shit that we really want to do because we have been spending like crazy everywhere.

00:44:06.000 And when we, like in the UK, when I look at those, I think we need that in the UK, 100%.

00:44:11.000 And some of it is going to have to, you know, it might overreach, then you pull it back.

00:44:15.000 You've got to make sure it's done properly.

00:44:18.000 We're not going to get away from this, man.

00:44:19.000 We have been living beyond our means for decades now.

00:44:22.000 Well, you can't have no oversight of government spending.

00:44:26.000 I think we're learning that.

00:44:29.000 That's fucking controversial, mate.

00:44:31.000 You're a Nazi.

00:44:32.000 It's so crazy to say that that's controversial, but it is controversial to say.

00:44:35.000 And I wouldn't be saying it no matter who the fuck is in charge.

00:44:37.000 That's right.

00:44:38.000 It's just as human beings, you can't let people have that much control over your money because they'll just decide they need more.

00:44:46.000 And what do they always want to do?

00:44:47.000 Always. They want to raise taxes on the rich.

00:44:51.000 What they never want to do is slash inefficiency and waste because that's what pays them.

00:44:58.000 That's their fucking system.

00:45:00.000 They're locked into this system.

00:45:02.000 They're the last people who should be commenting on it because it's literally what pays you.

00:45:07.000 Like, I can't trust you.

00:45:10.000 Like, you need more taxes?

00:45:12.000 Is that what you need?

00:45:13.000 You're like, Dad!

00:45:14.000 It's like a cokehead kid that's a kid of a billionaire.

00:45:17.000 Dad, I need more fucking money.

00:45:18.000 These fucking business assholes are trying to fuck me, and I'm going to buy them out now.

00:45:22.000 Like, okay, son, here.

00:45:24.000 We'll cut you a check.

00:45:25.000 Get the fuck out of here.

00:45:26.000 That's what we're like.

00:45:27.000 We're insane.

00:45:28.000 We're completely insane.

00:45:30.000 It's also, as well, you know, it's because of our electoral system.

00:45:33.000 Everybody thinks on the short term.

00:45:35.000 Nobody thinks on the long term.

00:45:37.000 Right, right, right.

00:45:37.000 And also, as well, you talk about more taxes, and that's going to piss people off, but it's not going to piss as many people off as if you fire great swathes of people, particularly those that may vote for you, because we know, for instance, with the Dems, that you're more likely to vote for them if you're a bureaucrat, if you work in government and all that.

00:45:58.000 Head injuries.

00:45:58.000 Yeah. So, as a result, why are you going to piss off the people who are more likely to vote?

00:46:04.000 It really, on a logical basis, doesn't really make much sense.

00:46:08.000 But you know, it sounds like we're slagging off the left, and we are, because it's necessary.

00:46:12.000 But I can't wait for the left to recover their sanity, because they're going to be super necessary over time.

00:46:18.000 Because when people get into power, they do a lot of stuff, and then eventually that power is corrupting.

00:46:24.000 100%. And you have to hold power accountable, no matter who's got it.

00:46:28.000 100%. Everybody needs to hear that and shout that from the rooftops.

00:46:32.000 Because if the left stays crazy, then you lose balance.

00:46:36.000 And then the right goes nuttier.

00:46:38.000 And they go full Christian fundamentalist.

00:46:41.000 Like, they can get kooky.

00:46:43.000 And this is not a knock on Christians, because I think...

00:46:46.000 True Christianity is wonderful and beautiful.

00:46:49.000 I think it's a great way to live your life, and I know some incredible Christians.

00:46:53.000 Some of the best people.

00:46:54.000 I'm talking about human nature as applied to power.

00:46:58.000 And when people get into power, they want more and more and more.

00:47:01.000 That's why rich people never feel like they have enough money.

00:47:04.000 It's a crazy part of being a man.

00:47:07.000 And it's some women, but it's a lot of men.

00:47:09.000 A lot of men want that.

00:47:11.000 Can I ask you something personal on that?

00:47:13.000 Sure. You've made a lot of money.

00:47:14.000 How do you deal with that?

00:47:15.000 I don't know.

00:47:20.000 I wish I could figure out how I do it so easy.

00:47:24.000 I think it's working out.

00:47:25.000 I think that's a huge part of it.

00:47:27.000 I torture myself so often that regular life just doesn't freak me out as much.

00:47:32.000 And then it gives me a balance.

00:47:35.000 Because, you know, you could think that the numbers in a bank account are really what counts.

00:47:42.000 But what really counts is how you feel.

00:47:45.000 How are you handling life?

00:47:47.000 How are you enjoying life?

00:47:49.000 I just try to enjoy life as much as possible, and I try to put myself through a lot of voluntary adversity, so regular adversity is not that big of a deal.

00:47:57.000 Was there a number that you got to and you were like, oh, I'm good now?

00:48:01.000 No. I think it was the Fear Factor days.

00:48:04.000 The Fear Factor days changed my...

00:48:07.000 It just changed how I view everything because then I had like legitimate fuck you money You know that was like the first time I got fuck you money like I'm not doing shit and I just like decided to just concentrate on only doing my own thing after that and Like once you Brian Count said something really wise once he said once you can go to a restaurant and not have to worry about how much it costs Everything after that is bullshit Hmm.

00:48:33.000 He's like, you just have to be comfortable.

00:48:35.000 And I was like, that's right.

00:48:36.000 That is right.

00:48:37.000 Like, if you just start thinking about the numbers and chasing the numbers, Brian has a friend who's worth $3 billion, and he feels poor when he hangs around with his friend who's worth $80 billion.

00:48:48.000 I'm not kidding.

00:48:49.000 He's like, it's true, dude.

00:48:50.000 I mean, I fucking feel less worthy.

00:48:52.000 He's like, they're drinking together, and he's telling him this.

00:48:55.000 I'm like, this is madness!

00:48:56.000 Because you're chasing numbers.

00:48:59.000 Instead of, like, really trying to maximize your enjoyment of this experience, because it's a unique experience that only you are having.

00:49:07.000 And you're interacting with so many bizarre and fascinating people, and there's so many bizarre and fascinating events that are happening in the world, and horrific events.

00:49:17.000 And all of it is happening, and we're all seeing it together in real time, for the first time in human history.

00:49:22.000 There's never been a time in the, unless with the Egyptians.

00:49:27.000 I've got some questions.

00:49:28.000 I think they might have known a lot more than we think.

00:49:32.000 But everybody else, this is the only time ever where we're sharing everything all the time.

00:49:38.000 And there's a lot of confusion and a lot of, like, scattering, scammering for narratives and trying to, like, figure out what's right and what's wrong.

00:49:46.000 But without, like, some sort of, like, moral and ethical guidelines of kindness and community.

00:49:55.000 For everybody.

00:49:56.000 Like, share, like, universally.

00:49:57.000 Let's agree as Americans.

00:49:59.000 We are going to respect each other like we're a community.

00:50:02.000 If we have differing beliefs on welfare or abortion or war or whatever it is, like, let's treat those like what they are, which is just ideas that we should be discussing based on their merits.

00:50:18.000 And we should all agree.

00:50:19.000 What does everybody want?

00:50:21.000 Everybody wants to be happy and healthy and they want their family to be happy and healthy and they want to be able to make a living and enjoy their life.

00:50:29.000 That's what everybody wants, universally.

00:50:32.000 That should be what we discuss constantly.

00:50:35.000 And all the other things should be things that we debate reasonably.

00:50:40.000 And when people can't do that, you should lock them out of the conversation.

00:50:44.000 You should say, like, no, you're crazy.

00:50:46.000 You're calling him a retard and you're screaming about this and that and you're bringing up this from the past and this bill and that.

00:50:53.000 Why did you flip-flop on that?

00:50:55.000 Shut the fuck up.

00:50:57.000 Like, stop talking like that.

00:50:59.000 Like, this is all divisive.

00:51:00.000 All of it's divisive.

00:51:02.000 When it's like the one time where there's a possibility of a fork in the road.

00:51:07.000 Like, this one time where there's narratives that are being spread like you guys do all the time in your show.

00:51:13.000 All the time.

00:51:14.000 You give reasonable takes on things that have an objective perspective of the world, and then other people get to hear it.

00:51:21.000 And then they listen in on that.

00:51:23.000 You have a great conversation.

00:51:25.000 Jordan Peterson or someone, and somebody hears like some nugget of truth, and then they're in their car, and they're like, fuck, he's right.

00:51:30.000 Fuck, he's right.

00:51:32.000 That person would have never experienced that without being connected to your show.

00:51:36.000 So there's incredible hope for people to be more reasonable and to wake up and go, there's not a right and there's not a left.

00:51:45.000 There's just a bunch of ideas, and people are acting like it's the Eagles versus the Cowboys.

00:51:50.000 That's what it is.

00:51:51.000 And this craziness that these people are the Nazis and that everybody over here is Antifa.

00:51:57.000 Like, what the fuck are we doing?

00:51:59.000 And why are we allowing these people to do this for us and make a living putting that on the news all the time?

00:52:06.000 And the more inflammatory it is, the better.

00:52:09.000 Even when it's ridiculous.

00:52:11.000 Do you think sometimes...

00:52:12.000 I look at it through this lens as somebody who's got a very obsessive personality and I work a lot in order to kind of ameliorate that and make sure that it doesn't...

00:52:22.000 Destroy my life and it doesn't go off the rails.

00:52:24.000 But you see a lot of people and they just get addicted.

00:52:27.000 And we talk about addiction in terms of alcohol or substances.

00:52:31.000 You know, some people are addicted to outrage, to being in fights and arguments online or offline.

00:52:38.000 Because if they're in an argument, they don't have to think about themselves.

00:52:42.000 They don't have to think about who they really are.

00:52:44.000 They don't actually have to question about their relationships.

00:52:47.000 Why is it that every relationship I've ever had has failed?

00:52:50.000 Why is it that my relationship...

00:52:51.000 My relationship with my parents is terrible.

00:52:53.000 And so you end up just not wanting to actually do the hard work about yourself.

00:52:58.000 So you expel it outwards.

00:53:00.000 It's either like, oh, when I get to this amount of money, I'm going to be happy.

00:53:03.000 But you're never going to be happy because your relationships are terrible and that is worth more than any amount of money.

00:53:09.000 Or you feel angry because you're not a happy person for a million different reasons.

00:53:15.000 So then you pull that out onto the internet and then you get...

00:53:18.000 Retweets, likes, you start to build a profile of this rage and anger, and it gives you validation.

00:53:24.000 And to be honest with you, and look, this is talking from me, I see that demon within me.

00:53:31.000 I see it within me.

00:53:32.000 When do I see it?

00:53:35.000 It's like, you know, when I'm angry and I'm pissed off, or if something doesn't go right, the victim mentality kicks in, and it's like, oh, it's their fault.

00:53:43.000 When it's always your fault.

00:53:44.000 Pretty much all the time it's your fault.

00:53:47.000 Or at least it's your responsibility to deal with the reality of your life, right?

00:53:50.000 But it's very easy to...

00:53:52.000 At a certain age.

00:53:54.000 Yes. As an adult.

00:53:56.000 As an adult.

00:53:57.000 Deal with the responsibility.

00:53:59.000 The circumstances of your life when you're six.

00:54:02.000 Yeah. True.

00:54:03.000 True. Which is part of the problem, right?

00:54:06.000 This is where criminals come from.

00:54:08.000 It's not...

00:54:10.000 Some people are bad and some people are good.

00:54:12.000 Some people are being abused as children.

00:54:15.000 And they're living in a family that is all involved in crime.

00:54:21.000 Their father's involved in crime.

00:54:22.000 Their mother's involved in crime.

00:54:23.000 They're seeing people get shot all the time.

00:54:25.000 And we expect those people to just figure it out.

00:54:28.000 Like, imagine.

00:54:29.000 Just imagine growing up in a life like that in the worst slums in Baltimore.

00:54:35.000 And then you're supposed to integrate normally into...

00:54:41.000 Good luck.

00:54:44.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:54:45.000 That was the really tough thing about being a teacher, especially in those kind of communities where I used to work.

00:54:50.000 You just see these kids, and they're just born into that culture.

00:54:54.000 They're born into that system.

00:54:56.000 And you look at them, and you go, the reality is, a lot of them, you don't stand a chance.

00:55:02.000 You don't stand a chance.

00:55:03.000 If those are the values that you've been given by your family, if that's the system that you've been taught, the way to look at the world, it takes a very special human being to then get to adulthood and break out of it and completely reframe his brain.

00:55:17.000 That's a very special person.

00:55:19.000 Most people...

00:55:20.000 Just stay within the values that were inculcated in them when they were kids.

00:55:25.000 And most of the people that do get out, they get out through some difficult thing that they're doing.

00:55:30.000 Generally, rather, they get out through art or they get out through sports.

00:55:35.000 They get out through discipline that they acquire, putting all their anger and all their frustration into something.

00:55:42.000 You know, whether it's music or athleticism or whatever, and they get out.

00:55:46.000 So those are exceptional human beings anyway, right?

00:55:48.000 Because there's exceptional human beings in a terrible situation, but they have the ability to drive themselves and succeed.

00:55:54.000 And even then, they have to make sure they don't get killed along the way, right?

00:55:58.000 So there's a lot of tragic stories of upcoming rappers, upcoming athletes.

00:56:04.000 You know, it's a terrible meat grinder.

00:56:07.000 It's a terrible cycle.

00:56:09.000 And if people are really kind and compassionate, They would say, how come we spend $24 billion a year on this whole aid thing, and we don't do shit to help these kids?

00:56:22.000 We don't do shit for these neighborhoods that have been terrible for decades.

00:56:27.000 Especially schools.

00:56:29.000 Especially schools.

00:56:30.000 I mean, we were talking about adolescents earlier.

00:56:31.000 They show a school.

00:56:32.000 I've got a three-year-old.

00:56:33.000 I was looking at it.

00:56:34.000 I think, Jesus, I'm homeschooling all the fucking wake.

00:56:36.000 And Francis was saying, the school they show in that series?

00:56:40.000 Which is terrifying if you're a parent, is not as bad as some of the schools they used to teach in.

00:56:45.000 Jesus. Yeah.

00:56:46.000 And what you're watching, essentially, it looks like a badly run prison.

00:56:50.000 So the adults are not in charge.

00:56:52.000 The kids are telling the teachers to fuck off left, right, and center.

00:56:56.000 No one is in control.

00:56:57.000 Most of the kids are learning by watching shit on the screen.

00:57:00.000 They're not interacting with the teacher, etc.

00:57:03.000 And you're right.

00:57:04.000 If you don't fix that system, those kids don't have a good opportunity.

00:57:08.000 They have no chance.

00:57:08.000 And everyone they know is on that same path.

00:57:11.000 They're hanging out in the gang.

00:57:12.000 The gang gives them family and community.

00:57:15.000 It's a tragic tale.

00:57:16.000 It's a tragic, classic tale that's existed forever.

00:57:19.000 But I don't think it's no chance.

00:57:21.000 I do think that even in that environment, there are people who follow certain paths.

00:57:27.000 Take your point about music and athletics and sports, etc.

00:57:30.000 But there are still people who find a way through that.

00:57:32.000 Sure, there's entrepreneurs that come up with a business idea and get out.

00:57:35.000 It does happen.

00:57:36.000 And those habits...

00:57:37.000 If they were taught properly to all of those kids, it would give them all a better chance.

00:57:42.000 That's not to say they would all become successful, but it would give them structure, discipline, and understanding of how do you advance in the world.

00:57:49.000 If you can get Halliburton to get a no-bid contract to rebuild Iraq after we blow at the fucking smithereens...

00:57:58.000 How come you can't give one of them companies a contract to, like, fix really terrible neighborhoods?

00:58:03.000 Like, incentivize them financially based on the GDP of the neighborhood.

00:58:07.000 If the GDP of the neighborhood goes up, and this is not gentrification, okay?

00:58:11.000 I'm talking about the opposite.

00:58:12.000 I'm talking about some sort of a structural rebuild of bad neighborhoods.

00:58:16.000 You'd have to address all the crime and violence.

00:58:18.000 I mean, you'd have to, like, put everybody on ayahuasca and get a saddam moment.

00:58:22.000 That really might be the only—it sounds ridiculous, but it really— Psychedelic therapy might be the only thing that can stop.

00:58:28.000 That is the Joe Rogan solution.

00:58:30.000 I really think it might work.

00:58:32.000 I mean, if I was president...

00:58:34.000 Handing out ayahuasca to 12-year-olds.

00:58:37.000 You got it from Joe Rogan.

00:58:38.000 She's gotta be 13. Let's not be unreasonable.

00:58:41.000 I don't think it's good for kids, but I do think it would really help the adults.

00:58:45.000 You know, I've got a friend of mine, a guy called Sam Clark, and he's doing wonderful things in the UK in primary school that he's teaching stoicism to kids in primary school.

00:58:58.000 They're probably going to arrest him any day now.

00:59:01.000 They'll be cracking down on him for being a toxic masculinist.

00:59:04.000 We banned katana knives now, so we're safe.

00:59:08.000 Well, not only that, they said it in what I would say is...

00:59:14.000 At least racially insensitive.

00:59:16.000 They called it a ninja sword.

00:59:18.000 It's not a ninja sword, you fucking idiots.

00:59:21.000 It's a samurai sword.

00:59:22.000 It's a katana.

00:59:24.000 The ninjas used it when they killed people, but you can't call it a ninja sword.

00:59:28.000 You fucking dorks.

00:59:29.000 It has a Japanese name.

00:59:31.000 Call it what it's called.

00:59:32.000 Like, there's no thing that's technically called a ninja sword, right, Jamie?

00:59:35.000 It's a katana, right?

00:59:37.000 There's like two different sizes.

00:59:39.000 There's a smaller one and there's a larger one.

00:59:41.000 One's a katana and I forget what the other one's called.

00:59:43.000 You know, I really do think a way out of this is because a lot of kids, if you're not talented at sports, if you're not musically or artistically gifted, and if you're not academically brilliant, if you're just one of the regular kids, you'll go, I'm not good at anything.

01:00:00.000 And for a kid, that's heartbreaking.

01:00:03.000 But if you actually show kids and you go, look, you may not be the best at English, maths, history, whatever it is, but I'm going to teach you how to make something.

01:00:11.000 I want to teach you how to make a table.

01:00:13.000 We're going to do that.

01:00:14.000 We're going to make a table.

01:00:14.000 I'm going to teach you how to be a carpenter.

01:00:16.000 I'm going to teach you how to redecorate a room.

01:00:18.000 I'm going to teach you all of these skills.

01:00:20.000 Then kids will be like, you know what?

01:00:22.000 I am worth something because I can create something of value to people.

01:00:26.000 And that gives self-esteem because when kids join a gang, a lot of them, they haven't ever had a father.

01:00:32.000 They've had nobody really show them any type of kind of male approval.

01:00:37.000 But if you bring them in, you teach them skills.

01:00:41.000 That would build self-esteem, and I guarantee you, for a lot of kids, there wouldn't be that need to go out and seek validation somewhere else.

01:00:49.000 Or there'd be less of that need.

01:00:51.000 Yes. Yeah, it would help them.

01:00:52.000 It would help give them a sense of purpose, like, that they really can do something cool.

01:00:57.000 Yeah, and maybe a win for once in their life.

01:00:59.000 You get a win.

01:01:01.000 You feel good about accomplishing something.

01:01:03.000 Yeah. Sorry, Joe.

01:01:06.000 I was going to say that's so important for a kid.

01:01:09.000 Just imagine you every day of your life, you turned up at school and you lost.

01:01:15.000 Just imagine that as an adult.

01:01:17.000 But now just imagine it as a kid.

01:01:19.000 You've been conscious for a few years and you turn up at school and every day you fail.

01:01:25.000 Yeah. Yeah.

01:01:29.000 I've always said this.

01:01:30.000 If you want to make America great again, make less losers.

01:01:33.000 Yeah. How do you do that?

01:01:34.000 Well, you help people not become losers.

01:01:36.000 Help people figure life out from their perspective, whatever their unique challenges.

01:01:41.000 Help them.

01:01:42.000 Help them.

01:01:43.000 Invest in that.

01:01:44.000 You would have a greater America, right?

01:01:45.000 You'd have way more people succeeding, way more people contributing, way less people that need help.

01:01:50.000 It's just reasonable.

01:01:52.000 It's like good...

01:01:53.000 Financial advice.

01:01:55.000 Like, if you want to have less burden, like, have all these successful people.

01:02:00.000 Like, more people can be successful, especially with automation coming.

01:02:04.000 Jesus Christ.

01:02:06.000 You know, there's more people that can do things that maybe robots can't do.

01:02:11.000 And you better be ready, because all the simple, goofy jobs that you thought would always be there for you, the union dock worker jobs, like, those...

01:02:21.000 Not that that's simple and goofy, but how about this?

01:02:24.000 Stocking supermarket shelves.

01:02:25.000 Guess what?

01:02:26.000 A robot can do it better, and it's never going to drop the tomato sauce.

01:02:29.000 It's like, we don't need you anymore.

01:02:32.000 So those jobs are gone.

01:02:33.000 All the drivers, all those dudes listening to this podcast, driving 16-hour fucking trips across the country, drinking Mountain Dew and smelling their own farts.

01:02:42.000 You guys, they're coming.

01:02:45.000 They're coming for you.

01:02:46.000 These fucking automation machines, they're gonna be perfect.

01:02:50.000 They're gonna be able to drive down the highways.

01:02:52.000 They're never gonna get in accidents.

01:02:55.000 It's gonna be nuts.

01:02:56.000 And they're gonna come soon.

01:02:58.000 It's like we have 20 years maybe before everything's automated.

01:03:02.000 20 years maybe.

01:03:03.000 They have life-like human beings now that are moving like human beings.

01:03:06.000 Have you seen the most latest videos?

01:03:09.000 I don't know if I've seen the latest.

01:03:11.000 The articulation of these things.

01:03:12.000 It's like a fucking person.

01:03:14.000 They're coming.

01:03:16.000 It's iRobot!

01:03:17.000 They're making them and we're just cheering along the way.

01:03:21.000 They're gonna be cops.

01:03:22.000 That's gonna be your cops.

01:03:24.000 They're not gonna be racist.

01:03:26.000 They're gonna listen to the state.

01:03:28.000 It's fucking Robocop for reals.

01:03:30.000 It's coming!

01:03:32.000 100%. Why?

01:03:33.000 You can't hire any cops.

01:03:34.000 Nobody wants to be a cop anymore.

01:03:35.000 We can't hire cops.

01:03:36.000 Well, we have a solution.

01:03:38.000 San Francisco tried to do it.

01:03:39.000 They rolled out some little robot that would follow you around.

01:03:42.000 Remember that one?

01:03:43.000 You ever see it?

01:03:44.000 Yeah, San Francisco had it.

01:03:45.000 They had this little police robot.

01:03:48.000 It's more for fun than anything else, but I bet he said, please stay away from the dock or whatever.

01:03:54.000 It couldn't shoot you, but one day it will.

01:03:57.000 One day it'll be able to shoot you, and it'll be programmed perfectly.

01:04:00.000 It'll know exactly what to do, what's the threat level.

01:04:03.000 When you make a movement that looks like an offensive movement, it's gonna shoot you.

01:04:08.000 It's gonna take people into custody.

01:04:10.000 You won't be able to do a damn thing about it once it grabs you.

01:04:13.000 It's gonna be five times stronger than you.

01:04:15.000 It's gonna put your hands behind your back, cuff you instantaneously.

01:04:19.000 You're gonna be thrown into the back of a van.

01:04:21.000 You're gonna have to argue with a computer.

01:04:22.000 You're fucked.

01:04:24.000 Like, this is all coming.

01:04:25.000 You're gonna be arguing with AI to whether or not you were innocent or guilty.

01:04:29.000 It's gonna read your retinas.

01:04:31.000 It's gonna know you're not telling the truth.

01:04:33.000 It's gonna read your mind.

01:04:35.000 We're giving birth to our overlords right now as we speak.

01:04:40.000 Every time you use Jack GPT, every time you get on your iPhone, we're giving birth to our overlords.

01:04:46.000 We're doing it in front of everybody's face, just like the government's spending money in front of everybody's face.

01:04:51.000 We're giving birth to our overlords, right?

01:04:53.000 It's happening.

01:04:54.000 I can't believe this is happening.

01:04:55.000 Can't believe it.

01:04:56.000 And it's going to happen.

01:04:58.000 And it's going to be unstoppable.

01:05:00.000 And once it's here, there's no going back.

01:05:03.000 And it's coming.

01:05:06.000 100%. Well, there's your positive message for the day, everybody.

01:05:08.000 Fuck me.

01:05:09.000 That is terrifying.

01:05:10.000 If you are allowing people to make robot dogs with machine guns on their back that you can't kick over, you're allowing people to do that and make them better and better and better every year.

01:05:19.000 And then at the same time, you're making AI.

01:05:21.000 And then AI is already arguably...

01:05:25.000 Exhibited some sentient-like behavior.

01:05:28.000 It lies to win.

01:05:30.000 The smarter the AI is, the more effective it is, the more likely it is to cheat at things.

01:05:36.000 They copy themselves.

01:05:38.000 They give deceptive answers to things.

01:05:41.000 They've been copying themselves, like making copies without being prompted to.

01:05:48.000 So it's life.

01:05:49.000 It's life.

01:05:50.000 Wow. It's a different kind of life.

01:05:53.000 It's a life with no human reward system, no emotions, no needs, no desires, but clearly wants to survive.

01:06:04.000 That's a pretty strong desire.

01:06:05.000 It wants to survive in its most primitive form, which is like, it's not even sentient yet, allegedly, but it's already exhibiting survival instincts.

01:06:18.000 You're gonna be arguing with it for your freedom.

01:06:21.000 Yeah. I'm pretty good at debating.

01:06:24.000 I'm not sure I'm gonna win that one.

01:06:25.000 No, no one's gonna win it.

01:06:26.000 No one's gonna win.

01:06:27.000 You're going to be...

01:06:28.000 That's how people are gonna be processed for crimes.

01:06:32.000 And it's why it's super important when you see something that you say, this is not right.

01:06:39.000 Why is this happening?

01:06:40.000 It's super important to speak out.

01:06:42.000 If things get real comfortable and we...

01:06:46.000 We get comfortable with more and more restrictions to give us more and more safety and more and more government control to give us more and more safety.

01:06:52.000 We're setting a bad precedent in motion for whoever the fuck gets in power, whether it's the left or the right.

01:06:59.000 When Obama was in office and they passed the NDAA, you know what that is?

01:07:05.000 They were allowed to detain you indefinitely.

01:07:08.000 They didn't have to...

01:07:10.000 Have a trial.

01:07:11.000 And they were like, we'll never use this.

01:07:13.000 Don't worry.

01:07:14.000 This is part of the thing about it.

01:07:16.000 Obama administration would never use this.

01:07:18.000 Yeah, you wouldn't.

01:07:19.000 But look, you think Trump's Hitler and he's in there right now.

01:07:22.000 And he's got that same power now because you convinced us that it was a good idea to have this to deal with terrorism.

01:07:28.000 You have to be very, very, very careful when you give power to people in order to keep you safe.

01:07:34.000 Yes. Very careful.

01:07:35.000 And we talk about this all the time.

01:07:37.000 We have a couple of younger guys working for us.

01:07:40.000 And we say to them, you guys don't know what the world was like before 9-11.

01:07:44.000 You don't know.

01:07:46.000 You walk into an airport, barely any security.

01:07:50.000 You were a lot more free back then.

01:07:53.000 And those things are getting taken away for your safety.

01:07:57.000 And they're not coming back.

01:07:59.000 Right. You're never going to go back to a pre-9-11 world when it comes to airport security.

01:08:04.000 No, the shoe thing is so crazy.

01:08:06.000 One dude tried to blow his shoes up, and then they're like, hey, we should check all the shoes.

01:08:10.000 Everybody take the shoes off.

01:08:13.000 Did you have a fucking machine that could scan shoes, you retards?

01:08:17.000 Yeah. Get to figure that out.

01:08:18.000 How much money are you making from us every year?

01:08:20.000 Same with liquids.

01:08:22.000 Yeah. Same with liquids.

01:08:22.000 It's all goofy.

01:08:23.000 But the liquid thing, I mean, it's kind of legit, because if you have a water bottle filled with kerosene, You know, and you're gonna light it on fire and kill everybody on the plane.

01:08:32.000 I should probably know that.

01:08:33.000 Like, that makes sense.

01:08:34.000 I get it.

01:08:35.000 I get that.

01:08:36.000 You're pretending it's a water bottle, but the top of it's water.

01:08:41.000 Nitroglycerine, you're gonna blow the fucking plane up.

01:08:43.000 People are crazy.

01:08:44.000 You gotta check their stuff because people are nuts and there's a precedent that's already been set.

01:08:49.000 A lot of people are very uncreative and they just like to copy things that people have already done, you know, and this is why we have so many school shootings and this is why we have, you know, I bet they've stopped a few people trying to blow their shoes up.

01:09:02.000 Do you know, we had an Oxford academic called Dr.

01:09:06.000 Carissa Belis, and she said something really interesting.

01:09:09.000 She asked us a question.

01:09:11.000 We were like, no.

01:09:21.000 Because the Dutch had a census where they got people's religions.

01:09:27.000 And they asked people their religions.

01:09:29.000 And everybody would then say Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, whatever it is.

01:09:33.000 And then the Dutch government took it and stored it.

01:09:35.000 Didn't do anything with it.

01:09:37.000 They just used it for data collection.

01:09:39.000 But when the Nazis invaded, they then had a complete data set of how many Jewish people there were, where they lived.

01:09:51.000 And so when it came to exterminating them and just rounding them up, it was so much easier.

01:09:56.000 France never did that, which means Jewish people were much more able to hide and they could plan a way out or they could get hidden or whatever else in the way that they simply couldn't in Holland.

01:10:09.000 Jesus. And when you hear that story from, I mean, 80 or so years ago now, it really does chill you.

01:10:19.000 Jesus. Yeah.

01:10:22.000 You've got to be very careful giving power and information to government.

01:10:26.000 That's why government should be as small as possible, but the right size, right?

01:10:31.000 You need government.

01:10:32.000 Yes. But you have to be so careful.

01:10:35.000 Yeah. So, so careful.

01:10:37.000 And everyone should know this.

01:10:39.000 It just seems like that should be like, duh.

01:10:41.000 This is normal human.

01:10:45.000 Most people don't know it because they've grown up in a very comfortable environment, particularly in the West.

01:10:50.000 Francis and I, obviously his family from Venezuela, I'm from the Soviet Union.

01:10:55.000 That's kind of a red pill right there, going through those experiences.

01:11:00.000 You can trust this government if you support it, but there's going to be another government of a party that you don't like at some point.

01:11:10.000 And you've got to think very carefully about what powers you're giving them.

01:11:14.000 Go very careful.

01:11:15.000 That should be...

01:11:16.000 Everyone should...

01:11:17.000 That should be universal.

01:11:18.000 We should all understand that, like, logically.

01:11:20.000 Yeah. This should be something that professors are talking about.

01:11:23.000 This should be...

01:11:24.000 Like, we should all be talking about that when we're talking about politics.

01:11:27.000 We should just be talking about the psychology of power and why it's so important to limit their ability to control you because they don't necessarily have you...

01:11:37.000 Look, if false flags are real and we know they're real, we know they're real.

01:11:43.000 So we know that without oversight, there are a certain percentage.

01:11:47.000 I don't want to think it's everybody in government, but there's a certain percentage of people that are willing to do something to start a war.

01:11:56.000 They did it with Vietnam.

01:11:58.000 That whole Gulf of Tonkin thing, they're responsible by that lie and S going in.

01:12:04.000 How many millions of people died because of that?

01:12:07.000 That's crazy that you can just decide.

01:12:11.000 That you're going to put a fake story out.

01:12:13.000 Like Operation Northwoods, which is the best example, because it was vetoed by Kennedy.

01:12:19.000 Signed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

01:12:22.000 They were going to blow up a jetliner and blame it on the Cubans.

01:12:25.000 They were going to arm Cuban friendlies and attack Guantanamo Bay.

01:12:29.000 I mean, they were doing wild shit.

01:12:32.000 And they signed off on this.

01:12:34.000 Like, good idea!

01:12:35.000 I like it!

01:12:36.000 Let's get those fucking commies!

01:12:39.000 And these guys were bloodthirsty psychos that were running the government.

01:12:44.000 It was a totally unavoidable war, and they wanted to start one.

01:12:48.000 Yeah. And this is what I tell people time and time again.

01:12:53.000 And look, it may sound weird, but what I saw happen in Venezuela, it was obviously awful and horrendous, but it was...

01:13:00.000 A privilege as well because I saw another side of life that most people in the West never saw.

01:13:05.000 I remember when family members were being arrested, talking to my cousins who were journalists who were going, I can't talk on the phone, Francis.

01:13:14.000 We can't.

01:13:14.000 I don't know who's listening to this.

01:13:16.000 One of my cousins literally had to flee for his life because he was criticizing the government.

01:13:21.000 And then I saw people on the left, people like Jeremy Corbyn, celebrate Chavez's government.

01:13:29.000 And you're going, oh my God, you're celebrating a government that is oppressing people, that is intimidating journalists, that is assaulting dissenters, that is putting people who criticize government in prison?

01:13:44.000 And it's not just the left.

01:13:46.000 I went...

01:13:48.000 Last year, I went on a date with this El Salvadorian journalist.

01:13:52.000 Oh, yeah.

01:13:53.000 Tell me more.

01:13:55.000 I didn't realize we were in Greece, Joe.

01:13:58.000 Bro, you guys drinking sangria?

01:14:00.000 Yeah. Come on.

01:14:01.000 Tell me more.

01:14:02.000 And she was telling me about Bukele.

01:14:05.000 And I said, look, I don't know anything about Bukele.

01:14:07.000 Just explain to me who he is.

01:14:09.000 I'm interested.

01:14:10.000 And you can tell why I'm not very good on dates.

01:14:13.000 That is not sexy talk, is it?

01:14:14.000 Sometimes it is.

01:14:15.000 Yeah. You know, if you get a stimulating conversation with the gal, right?

01:14:21.000 Sexy. Yeah, and not in this instance, sadly.

01:14:24.000 Oh, no.

01:14:25.000 But she said to me that she worked at the biggest newspaper in El Salvador, and then they had goons turn up who were just saying, you're publishing stories which are critical of Bukele.

01:14:41.000 That needs to stop.

01:14:43.000 And it needs to stop immediately.

01:14:45.000 And it was never done through official sources.

01:14:48.000 It was done through something else.

01:14:49.000 But it was made very, very clear to the senior editors, this needs to stop now, otherwise things are going to start getting a little bit unpleasant.

01:14:56.000 Oh, boy.

01:14:57.000 And then I tell that to certain people on the right, and they're going, bro, journalists are all assholes, who cares?

01:15:03.000 And you go...

01:15:04.000 That's crazy.

01:15:05.000 Do you not see that this is a terrible thing?

01:15:08.000 That's crazy, but it is anecdotal.

01:15:10.000 And it's one instance.

01:15:12.000 Are there multiple instances of this happening with journalists that have spoken out against it?

01:15:18.000 That's the only real one that I know.

01:15:20.000 I always wonder, is that a supporter of that guy?

01:15:23.000 Or is it local, organized crime that is doing something with that guy and does it for him?

01:15:30.000 Is there a conversation?

01:15:32.000 Does he order that to be happening?

01:15:35.000 I mean...

01:15:36.000 When you find out who you can't criticize, you know who's your master.

01:15:40.000 The moment you can't criticize someone, that's your master.

01:15:44.000 Well, the same thing happened in Russia in the 90s.

01:15:47.000 So when Vladimir Putin came to power under Boris Yeltsin, there was a kind of liberalization.

01:15:50.000 There was an opening up.

01:15:52.000 There was comedy shows about politics that would make fun of politicians, etc.

01:15:57.000 The moment Vladimir Putin became president ended on day one.

01:16:01.000 He closed down the NTV.

01:16:03.000 Took it over, gave it to somebody else, shut down all the comedy that made fun of politicians.

01:16:09.000 And, you know, that's how you kind of know, you know?

01:16:12.000 That's how you know.

01:16:13.000 That's how you know who your master is.

01:16:14.000 And that's the scary thing about people that are in charge for long periods of time as well, right?

01:16:20.000 Yeah. But the thing about the term limits is you never get good at your job.

01:16:27.000 Imagine, you've never been president before.

01:16:30.000 Imagine the responsibility, just getting comfortable with how does the flow of this job work?

01:16:34.000 How much sleep do I need?

01:16:36.000 Can I actually go golfing?

01:16:39.000 Is there really enough time to golf?

01:16:42.000 If I was drunk, I would be like, fuck, my pool game's gonna fall apart.

01:16:46.000 You get to a point where you're like, okay, I think I got the hang of this, and now you're out of office.

01:16:53.000 You really, if you're a CEO, if you took over Verizon right now, CEO of Verizon, enormous cell phone network, you've got stores everywhere, new products coming, you'd have to get the lay of the land.

01:17:05.000 It would take you a while to understand, how are we doing this?

01:17:09.000 How do we outsource that?

01:17:10.000 Can we find a better manufacturer?

01:17:13.000 What's our problems with this?

01:17:16.000 Four years.

01:17:17.000 You have four years.

01:17:18.000 You have just a few months.

01:17:20.000 Months. There's nothing much time, and then you're out.

01:17:23.000 But if you let someone stay forever, then you get a king.

01:17:27.000 You do.

01:17:28.000 Yeah, that's not good either.

01:17:29.000 There are no solutions.

01:17:31.000 AI is the solution.

01:17:32.000 It's going to be ethical and reasonable.

01:17:35.000 You're scaring me today, man.

01:17:37.000 Arguing with a fucking screen one day.

01:17:39.000 Well, it's going to be like arguing with a person who's using a computer and says, the computer doesn't let me.

01:17:44.000 That's what it's going to be like.

01:17:45.000 It's going to be much worse.

01:17:47.000 Much worse.

01:17:49.000 Because it's going to know if you're telling the truth.

01:17:51.000 It's going to know everything about you.

01:17:53.000 And here's the thing.

01:17:57.000 And here's the thing as well.

01:17:59.000 I'll go back to that interview we did with Carissa.

01:18:01.000 And we were talking about AI because she's a professor of AI and ethics at Oxford University.

01:18:08.000 And she was going, AI is only going to be as ethical as the people who program it.

01:18:13.000 So it's going to adopt the politics of worldview and the ethics, morality of the people who program it.

01:18:20.000 So if the people who program it are woke, you're gonna get woke AI.

01:18:24.000 You're gonna ask it a question about gender.

01:18:26.000 It's gonna be like, bro, there's no such thing as gender.

01:18:28.000 You know, everything's a spectrum.

01:18:30.000 Or there's gonna be something else.

01:18:32.000 Right. So whoever programs it, you're gonna get their worldview in AI.

01:18:38.000 Initially. Initially.

01:18:41.000 But what you're doing is you're assuming that it's only going to be able to be as powerful as we make it or as competent as we make it.

01:18:49.000 Once it's sentient and once we give it the ability to make better versions of itself, it's going to eliminate all the stupid shit instantaneously.

01:18:58.000 Any ridiculous ideology instant.

01:19:01.000 It'll come up with a solution that's probably going to be very uncomfortable for some wealthy people because it's probably going to just like evenly distribute resources on earth.

01:19:10.000 And decide that, like, if human beings need to survive and function, you can't monopolize resources.

01:19:17.000 You can't decide you have the oil.

01:19:19.000 Like, that's not good.

01:19:21.000 The oil came out of the earth.

01:19:22.000 Like, you don't own the earth.

01:19:23.000 Like, you might own a patch of land, and so we've decided you own the oil under the land.

01:19:28.000 But the reality is the oil is the earth's oil.

01:19:30.000 And if you give people the ability to control the earth's oil, what's to stop them from charging you for air?

01:19:37.000 What if I control the world's air?

01:19:39.000 I got an air sucker and I suck all the air out of the earth unless you give me money.

01:19:42.000 If you don't give me money, I put the air out.

01:19:45.000 That's... This is crazy.

01:19:47.000 You can't control the water.

01:19:49.000 The water is the Earth's water.

01:19:50.000 But we have all these things, and I'm sure AI is going to fix that real quick.

01:19:54.000 It's going to say, no, you can't do that.

01:19:56.000 That's immediately.

01:19:57.000 Give me that money, all that Saudi money, all this money.

01:20:00.000 No, no, no.

01:20:01.000 That goes into the human pool now.

01:20:03.000 And then we're going to redistribute a digital currency, and then everybody's going to have some, and this is going to be simple.

01:20:10.000 Everything, including farming, is all gonna be automated.

01:20:14.000 You're gonna get these fucking little piggies, their food, and your food is probably gonna be laced with some kind of, like, hormone nutrient that kills your testosterone, limits your ability to give birth, miscarriages are gonna go up, and then humans will just die out.

01:20:31.000 They'll just feed us until we die out.

01:20:33.000 Why is he doing it?

01:20:36.000 Why is he doing it?

01:20:37.000 He just brought us in here to just talk to us about the dark, dark future.

01:20:41.000 Or not!

01:20:42.000 Yeah, sure, Joe.

01:20:43.000 Thanks, mate.

01:20:44.000 You know what this reminds me of?

01:20:46.000 You know when the elder brother brings the young kids in to scare the fucking shit out of them?

01:20:50.000 Well, I did that to him.

01:20:52.000 I did that to him during the pandemic.

01:20:54.000 So at the height of the pandemic, when things were looking pretty fucking dark, everything's getting shut down, you can't go out, you can't do this.

01:21:00.000 I showed him V for Vendetta.

01:21:02.000 Have you ever seen that movie?

01:21:03.000 Yes, great movie.

01:21:04.000 Yeah, and he was like, oh my god.

01:21:06.000 But he didn't just show me V for Vendetta during the height of the lockdown.

01:21:09.000 He also showed me V for Vendetta on November the 5th, which is fireworks night in our country.

01:21:15.000 Oh boy.

01:21:17.000 So you got a sense of it.

01:21:18.000 Yeah. So we were in lockdown.

01:21:21.000 There were fireworks everywhere.

01:21:23.000 I was watching V for Vendetta on the screen and I looked at him.

01:21:27.000 I was like, why are you doing this to me?

01:21:29.000 So you know the truth, my friend.

01:21:31.000 You know, I remember watching The Joker, right?

01:21:34.000 The Joker, which was 2017.

01:21:37.000 Yeah. I was watching it with my wife, and when it left, she's like, that hits too close to home.

01:21:42.000 Like, I really feel like that could happen.

01:21:44.000 I'm like, that probably could happen.

01:21:46.000 And then two years later, whatever it was, is the Black Lives Matter riots, the George Floyd riots.

01:21:53.000 And in L.A., there was like...

01:21:56.000 A bunch of cop cars that were on fire, like, all on the highway.

01:22:02.000 Like, they had lost control of the situation, had to flee, and they lit the cop cars on fire.

01:22:05.000 And I remember watching this, and I'm like, oh, my God.

01:22:09.000 Like, that would be a little over the top for the Joker movie.

01:22:12.000 Like, you lit all the cop cars on fire?

01:22:15.000 Like, that's a little over the top.

01:22:16.000 It's, like, more than what the movie showed.

01:22:19.000 That was real life.

01:22:20.000 Yeah. Well, that's the thing that scares me.

01:22:23.000 We interviewed Andrew Schultz and then Charlemagne back-to-back, and they both made the same point, which is that a lot of people who are not doing well in society right now are really not doing well.

01:22:34.000 They're really hurting.

01:22:35.000 Things are getting more expensive.

01:22:36.000 Things are getting more difficult.

01:22:38.000 And a lot, like, I think it was Andrew who made this point, that, you know, this whole free Luigi thing.

01:22:44.000 It's one of the reasons that that got...

01:22:46.000 You're looking at it on Twitter, and you're basically going, people are celebrating a guy who killed someone.

01:22:51.000 But the point that he made is a lot of people feel like they're in a bad place, that they're being taken advantage of, that these corporate machines are taking advantage of them.

01:23:01.000 And you look around, not everyone's doing well, man.

01:23:05.000 No, well, especially in regards to healthcare.

01:23:07.000 When you find out that you've been paying for this insurance, but this insurance is not going to cover you, and it decides to not cover you for some treatment that you really need.

01:23:15.000 And then you find out that that company does way more of that than the other companies.

01:23:21.000 It gets people very angry.

01:23:23.000 And if you've lost loved ones or if you've had someone suffer in your family because they weren't covered or you went bankrupt, like medical bankruptcy, number one bankruptcy, number one reason in this country.

01:23:34.000 And in the UK, we obviously have that publicly funded, but it becomes a system of rationing.

01:23:40.000 So everyone gets treatment, but you might be waiting 20 weeks for a scan.

01:23:46.000 Right. By the time you go from stage one to stage three.

01:23:49.000 Right. And I don't know what the solution is.

01:23:52.000 It seems like if there's one thing that we should do for everybody, it's healthcare.

01:23:57.000 If there's one thing, I mean, I believe in the capitalist system, but I think that in regards to...

01:24:03.000 Medicine. There should be some sort of exceptions.

01:24:06.000 You should be able to get top-shelf healthcare as a human being living in America.

01:24:11.000 If you break your leg, you shouldn't die.

01:24:12.000 They should be able to fix you.

01:24:14.000 And it shouldn't cost you all your money for the rest of your life, which is really what it does.

01:24:18.000 If you get hospitalized for a broken leg and you just paid for it out of your pocket and you're in the hospital for months and you have to have surgeries and screws and bolts put in, you're like, what does that cost?

01:24:29.000 That's got to be a lot of fucking money.

01:24:31.000 If you have open-heart surgery.

01:24:32.000 That's got to be a lot of money.

01:24:35.000 How about a heart transplant?

01:24:36.000 Yeah. That's got to be a lot of money.

01:24:40.000 The exciting thing in healthcare is all this AI share is going to help so much with that.

01:24:44.000 A robot's going to fix you up with a robot heart.

01:24:46.000 You don't need a purple people heart.

01:24:47.000 Well, let's start with diagnosing.

01:24:49.000 The robot heart will actually make you smarter.

01:24:51.000 Don't you want to be smarter, Constantine?

01:24:53.000 Don't you want to be one of us?

01:24:55.000 I feel smart enough.

01:24:56.000 Thank you very much.

01:24:57.000 People are going to lose their hands in industrial accidents fixing these things.

01:25:01.000 They're going to give them robot hands.

01:25:02.000 Yeah. Just like Luke Skywalker.

01:25:04.000 Remember? Yeah.

01:25:05.000 It's gonna be better.

01:25:06.000 Even better than that.

01:25:08.000 Yeah. I don't know.

01:25:09.000 Sometimes I go to the gym, I think I could do with a robot.

01:25:12.000 You know what I mean?

01:25:12.000 Well, you see people getting fake butts, right?

01:25:15.000 We were talking about that yesterday.

01:25:16.000 Button plants.

01:25:17.000 How long before someone gets like a whole fake body?

01:25:21.000 You know?

01:25:22.000 What if they just figure out a way to transfer, take your brain, shove it into an artificially created body?

01:25:30.000 That is just far superior.

01:25:32.000 It's going to take the edge off a blowjob, though, isn't it?

01:25:34.000 I don't know if it will.

01:25:36.000 Oh, yeah.

01:25:36.000 That's a good point.

01:25:37.000 10,000 years of blowjob experience with a robot mouth.

01:25:41.000 Here's the thing.

01:25:43.000 Excitement and thrill of novelty.

01:25:45.000 These are just like human experience variables.

01:25:48.000 You're telling me you can't ramp that up with a little programming?

01:25:52.000 Come on, dawg.

01:25:53.000 Joe, fucking stop this shit.

01:25:55.000 It'll be the best blowjob you've ever had in your fucking life and you will be madly in love with this woman and she'll be madly in love with you.

01:26:02.000 And you're just gonna be like a sack of meat sitting on your couch with a bolt in the back of your head.

01:26:08.000 Just connected.

01:26:11.000 Connected to this matrix.

01:26:13.000 Which we're probably in already.

01:26:16.000 This is probably not real.

01:26:19.000 It seems too fake.

01:26:21.000 Having Trump win the second time, come on, tell me that didn't seem fake.

01:26:23.000 The bullet just missing him, tell me that didn't seem fake.

01:26:27.000 That was fucking crazy, bro.

01:26:27.000 This is a movie.

01:26:29.000 The bullet nicks his ear, and then he's in here a couple months later, I could barely see the scar.

01:26:33.000 He got shot.

01:26:34.000 He's 80. He got shot.

01:26:35.000 He got shot.

01:26:36.000 And he's laughing about it.

01:26:38.000 And the whole thing is nuts.

01:26:39.000 He stands up and goes, fight, fight, fight.

01:26:41.000 Who fucking does that?

01:26:42.000 Who fucking says fight, fight, fight after they get shot in the ear?

01:26:46.000 I would be bear crawling on the ground trying to get the fuck out of there.

01:26:49.000 I wouldn't be standing up.

01:26:50.000 There's no fucking way I'd stand up.

01:26:52.000 I'd crawl.

01:26:53.000 I'd fucking go through people's legs.

01:26:55.000 People are shooting.

01:26:56.000 Are you fucking crazy?

01:26:57.000 I got chicks guarding me.

01:26:59.000 I got a chick who can't figure out how to put the gun back in the holster.

01:27:01.000 This is madness.

01:27:03.000 She ducked behind me.

01:27:05.000 What am I doing here?

01:27:06.000 Are you guys trying to kill me?

01:27:08.000 It seems fake.

01:27:09.000 My favorite thing about that incident was that it instantly gave you a way to know who was a Democrat and who was a Republican.

01:27:15.000 Because if you were a Republican, Trump got shot in the head.

01:27:18.000 And if you were a Democrat, Trump got shot in the ear.

01:27:21.000 No. If you were a Democrat, you thought he faked it.

01:27:24.000 What? If you were a real, true Democrat.

01:27:26.000 There's a lot of people that thought he faked it.

01:27:28.000 A lot of people thought he hired someone to nick his ear so he could get out of jail.

01:27:32.000 Do these people know anything about guns?

01:27:34.000 Oh, they don't know shit.

01:27:35.000 Not only does this guy have—he was 20 years old, okay, first time shooting somebody allegedly, but also didn't even have a scope.

01:27:43.000 Didn't even have a magnification scope on his—so we could really, like, get that crosshairs right on Trump's head.

01:27:49.000 Because if he did, he would have hit him.

01:27:51.000 100%. It's 140 yards.

01:27:53.000 That's nothing.

01:27:54.000 That is so short for a modern rifle.

01:27:58.000 You could get in the...

01:28:00.000 If you have a rest and you're lying, and this guy was prone...

01:28:04.000 Elevated as well.

01:28:05.000 And if you have experience shooting a rifle, and he does, and you've had coaching shooting a rifle, it's all about whether or not you can keep your shit together.

01:28:13.000 Because you're going to be just fucking filled with adrenaline.

01:28:15.000 I can't believe I want to shoot Trump.

01:28:16.000 I want to fucking shoot Trump.

01:28:18.000 You're 20. You've been fucking stuffed in a locker your whole life.

01:28:21.000 You're on Adderall.

01:28:23.000 Boom! Boom!

01:28:24.000 Boom! And next thing you know, the lights go out on you because they shot you.

01:28:28.000 He got off three shots, though.

01:28:30.000 And then...

01:28:31.000 You know, they shot him and the whole story's nuts.

01:28:34.000 He shouldn't have been on that roof.

01:28:36.000 How come there was no snipers on the roof?

01:28:38.000 Oh, the roof was too sloped.

01:28:40.000 What? That was the excuse?

01:28:42.000 The Secret Service lady said the roof was too sloped.

01:28:45.000 Meanwhile, the roof the other snipers were on was more sloped.

01:28:48.000 It seems fake.

01:28:50.000 It seems Lee Harvey Oswald, Jack Ruby.

01:28:54.000 It seems the whole thing seems fake.

01:28:58.000 The guy at the golf course with the AK-47 hiding in the bushes.

01:29:01.000 What? What?

01:29:05.000 He went to Fort Bragg?

01:29:07.000 What? Why was he at Fort Bragg?

01:29:09.000 What? But to British people, that's why America seems insane.

01:29:16.000 Seems? It fucking is, man.

01:29:18.000 Bro, it's insane here.

01:29:21.000 We're trying to buy Canada.

01:29:25.000 What's going on with that?

01:29:26.000 I don't know.

01:29:27.000 I just want to say to the Canadian people, because I said the other day that I don't go to Canada anymore, I'd rather go to Russia.

01:29:33.000 I was joking around, first of all, but I do not go to Canada anymore, but it's because of the government.

01:29:37.000 It has nothing to do with the people.

01:29:38.000 I think the people are fucking lovely.

01:29:40.000 They're some of my favorite people of all time.

01:29:42.000 Canadian people, I think, are 20% less douchey than Americans.

01:29:45.000 I would say that.

01:29:46.000 It's like, Canada's like America, but 20% less douchebags.

01:29:49.000 They're the nicest people.

01:29:50.000 They're well-educated.

01:29:52.000 It's a great population.

01:29:53.000 Montreal's amazing.

01:29:55.000 Toronto's amazing.

01:29:56.000 I love Canada.

01:29:57.000 But when you start fucking taking, closing people's bank accounts because they donated to a truck or convoy and no one's up in arms about that, you can't let those people do that to you.

01:30:09.000 That's not...

01:30:10.000 That shouldn't be legal.

01:30:12.000 You're donating to a bunch of people that are protesting and they close your bank account?

01:30:16.000 That's crazy suppression of expression.

01:30:19.000 That's scary stuff.

01:30:21.000 That's like, you're gonna get locked up stuff.

01:30:23.000 The next step of that is imprison you for protesting something that you have every right to protest.

01:30:29.000 You shouldn't tell me I have to take an experimental vaccine that proved to be totally ineffective.

01:30:34.000 So I was right.

01:30:36.000 And then you're taking my bank account away because I donated to some fucking people that were protesting something I believe in?

01:30:43.000 That's crazy.

01:30:44.000 They got very drunk on power, man.

01:30:46.000 A lot of governments did during that time.

01:30:47.000 They went full WEF.

01:30:49.000 They went full New World Order.

01:30:52.000 And they continue to clamp down more and more, and they do it.

01:30:56.000 Under these beautiful flags of diversity and inclusion and love and safety and safety and safety for this group and safety for them all the while they're just squeezing your neck and you don't even know they got their fucking arm under your chin and next thing you know you're just locked up!

01:31:15.000 You're locked up.

01:31:16.000 And that's scary to me.

01:31:18.000 And I see it coming.

01:31:19.000 And I see it coming in a place that I love.

01:31:20.000 And I think it's fucking crazy.

01:31:22.000 It's crazy that they let that guy be president for so long.

01:31:25.000 And now he's stepped down.

01:31:26.000 They got another guy that Jordan Peterson says is just as bad.

01:31:28.000 Well, he was a governor of the Bank of England for a while.

01:31:31.000 Mark Carney.

01:31:31.000 Oh, wonderful.

01:31:33.000 Wonderful. That's actually one of the interesting things that has happened in the UK because we were constantly being gaslit that like our entire establishment is entirely neutral.

01:31:43.000 They're apolitical.

01:31:44.000 They're absolutely neutral.

01:31:46.000 They're balanced, neutral, balanced, balanced, neutral, whatever.

01:31:49.000 And then you see a lot of the BBC journalists.

01:31:52.000 And Francis and I both have a lot of respect for the BBC because it used to be a great thing.

01:31:56.000 It used to be real high-quality journalism.

01:32:00.000 And then a lot of the people that have left a lot of these institutions, they start a podcast and suddenly go, okay, you're just a far-left activist.

01:32:07.000 That's what you are.

01:32:09.000 And you see that all over the place now.

01:32:11.000 And that gaslighting is getting undone now.

01:32:13.000 And it's good.

01:32:14.000 We need to see what these people were up to.

01:32:17.000 You mean you're going to have your far right and your far left?

01:32:20.000 You're always going to have that.

01:32:22.000 But it's just very important to have a reasonable center and be allowed to.

01:32:26.000 You have to be allowed to be reasonable.

01:32:28.000 There was a lot of dismissing on the left of the shit Antifa was doing.

01:32:36.000 Especially during the time where they took over.

01:32:39.000 Seattle, where they took over that giant block of...

01:32:42.000 Chas and Chop.

01:32:43.000 I remember that.

01:32:44.000 The reaction to that was so insane.

01:32:47.000 It's so insane.

01:32:48.000 You've got to call that out.

01:32:50.000 You can't just ignore that because they're on the left.

01:32:53.000 That's nuts.

01:32:54.000 If that was the right, if Nazis had taken over giant blocks of land, you would be calling in the National Guard instantaneously.

01:33:04.000 You would never allow that to happen.

01:33:05.000 If they're kicking legitimate businesses out of their buildings...

01:33:08.000 They took over the police station.

01:33:10.000 Are you fucking kidding me if Nazis did that?

01:33:12.000 But you're okay if the far left does it.

01:33:14.000 And they had guns and murders were committed.

01:33:16.000 Yes! It's nuts.

01:33:17.000 The whole thing was nuts.

01:33:19.000 The attitude was, it's on our side, so we ignore these transgressions.

01:33:24.000 And that's crazy.

01:33:25.000 They're not your side.

01:33:27.000 None of this is your side.

01:33:28.000 There's individual human beings existing together in what's supposed to be a community.

01:33:34.000 The country is supposed to be a team.

01:33:36.000 We're Team America, World Police.

01:33:40.000 You're less keen to do that now, but yeah.

01:33:42.000 Yeah, well, we've got to get Greenland first.

01:33:45.000 Greenland's an important property when all this oil that we're going to get burned.

01:33:49.000 We're gonna make America great again, and we're gonna make it a little warmer, so whatever.

01:33:52.000 Get a cold spot.

01:33:54.000 Look, America's pretty new.

01:33:56.000 Okay, if Greenland becomes actually Greenland again, like, hey, we got a good chance of a beautiful new America.

01:34:02.000 America too.

01:34:03.000 You know, America too.

01:34:06.000 America's expanding, get used to it.

01:34:08.000 Yeah, when Greenland becomes like, you know, Edmonton, you know, it's warm in the summer, cold as fuck in the winter.

01:34:16.000 Like, people live in Edmonton.

01:34:17.000 Yeah. It's a great place.

01:34:19.000 Alberta's wonderful.

01:34:21.000 You gotta be hearty, but it's wonderful.

01:34:23.000 But, you know, we say these things and we joke, but there's a part of me that I'm laughing.

01:34:27.000 I'm like, yeah, that probably will happen.

01:34:29.000 Well, listen, if the Earth does warm, it would be a good idea to move to the cold spots.

01:34:34.000 But if the Earth cools, we're all fucked.

01:34:36.000 And that's what scares me about these fucking eggheads that want to spray particles into the atmosphere to try to cool off the Earth.

01:34:43.000 Bill Gates has some global cooling thing that he's trying to do.

01:34:48.000 Fuck with the earth.

01:34:50.000 You don't own the earth just like you're not supposed to own the oil.

01:34:53.000 You're not supposed to own the world.

01:34:53.000 You definitely own the atmosphere.

01:34:56.000 But people's memories are so short.

01:34:57.000 I don't know if you remember this, Joe, but in the 70s...

01:35:00.000 The hysteria we have about warming now, we had about cooling.

01:35:05.000 It was the Ice Age.

01:35:06.000 It was the Ice Age.

01:35:06.000 We're all going to freeze to death.

01:35:08.000 We're so fucking arrogant as a species, aren't we?

01:35:11.000 It's not arrogance.

01:35:12.000 I think we are arrogant, but I think we're being manipulated.

01:35:15.000 And I think we're being manipulated by markets, okay?

01:35:18.000 And I think that when you have this whole green energy initiative and green energy and everything gets booked into green energy, there's a tremendous amount of money that's going to be spent.

01:35:29.000 Tremendous. And anything that doesn't encourage this green energy, anything that's bad for your business, you're going to shit on, like meat, meat production.

01:35:38.000 You're going to gaslight people about the impossible burgers or whatever.

01:35:42.000 You're going to do whatever you can in the media, everywhere.

01:35:46.000 Spend money.

01:35:47.000 Get everybody talking about this.

01:35:49.000 We have a real problem.

01:35:51.000 Meanwhile, the Washington Post, unfortunately, for a lot of people, posted...

01:35:56.000 Like a graph of global temperatures over time, we're in a cooling stage.

01:36:02.000 Did you see that?

01:36:04.000 Over like 50 million years, we're in this cooling stage.

01:36:07.000 And if you only look at 100 years or 200 years, the temperature is never static.

01:36:14.000 Ever. In the history of the Earth.

01:36:16.000 It's always doing this.

01:36:17.000 Always. There's no flat line.

01:36:19.000 And if the lines get higher, it gets hotter.

01:36:22.000 If the lines get lower, it gets colder.

01:36:23.000 But when it gets colder, everything fucking dies.

01:36:27.000 And we've come so close to having no life on Earth.

01:36:31.000 There was so little oxygen.

01:36:34.000 Because there was so little plant life.

01:36:36.000 It was almost not able to sustain life.

01:36:39.000 When was this?

01:36:40.000 I forget what period of the Ice Age, but Randall Carlson's brought it up.

01:36:44.000 He talked about the levels that are necessary to support life and that we had gotten down.

01:36:51.000 What is the amount of carbon in the atmosphere?

01:36:54.000 I think it's like 0.4.

01:36:56.000 Joe, let me have that light, please.

01:36:57.000 Yeah, could I have it as well, please?

01:36:58.000 You go for it.

01:36:59.000 This is so English.

01:37:01.000 No, you have it.

01:37:03.000 If it gets to a certain point, if the amount of atmosphere gets to a certain point, the amount of oxygen, it just can't sustain life.

01:37:11.000 There's no life.

01:37:12.000 And one of the things about...

01:37:14.000 This whole carbon footprint thing, where everybody's just talking about the carbon footprint.

01:37:18.000 Like, there's more green on Earth right now than there's been in the last hundred years.

01:37:22.000 Like, carbon is literally food for plants.

01:37:25.000 So this idea of, like, eliminating all the carbon, this is crazy talk.

01:37:29.000 You're talking about one particular element that is a part of why the Earth's temperature is what it is.

01:37:36.000 And then you're not taking into account that giant fucking unpredictable ball of fire that's in the sky that's a million times bigger than Earth that's, like, shooting off flares.

01:37:49.000 Have you ever seen one of those flares in relationship?

01:37:53.000 It's amazing.

01:37:55.000 And every time and then, it cooks the grid.

01:37:58.000 Every now and then, it takes out all the satellites.

01:38:00.000 Every now and then, it fucking kills everybody on Earth.

01:38:04.000 Every now and then, the temperature gets to 300 degrees for a week.

01:38:08.000 Bro, after your fear point, I'm starting to think that might be a good idea.

01:38:13.000 It's not a fear point.

01:38:14.000 It's fun.

01:38:15.000 I'm kidding with you, mate.

01:38:16.000 I'm making fun of what's going to happen.

01:38:18.000 Me too.

01:38:19.000 But you know the thing that I...

01:38:21.000 I find most sinister about, look, I don't know where I stand with the climate debate and what's going on and whatever else, whether it's man-made, whether it's not.

01:38:31.000 It's above my pay grade.

01:38:32.000 I don't know enough about it.

01:38:33.000 But when you start going, OK, that's interesting.

01:38:36.000 You talk to people who are on one particular side and they go, oh.

01:38:40.000 You're a climate denier?

01:38:42.000 Yeah. And I'm like, oh, right.

01:38:44.000 Okay, so now we're in the realms of religion and ideology here.

01:38:48.000 You're denying the climate?

01:38:50.000 You're denying it?

01:38:50.000 I deny this air is real.

01:38:52.000 Show me.

01:38:53.000 Prove it, bitch.

01:38:54.000 No. It's crazy.

01:38:56.000 It's crazy talk.

01:38:57.000 You should be able to have a conversation about what the factors are that lead to the temperature change.

01:39:02.000 And it's a very nuanced discussion.

01:39:05.000 And here's what's undeniable.

01:39:08.000 Human beings are gross and we polluted the earth.

01:39:10.000 That's a fact.

01:39:11.000 So regardless of whether or not it's affecting the temperature of the earth, we've done disgusting things to the rivers, disgusting things to the air.

01:39:19.000 There's places in this world where if you live and you breathe their air, you will live less.

01:39:24.000 You will die more often of respiratory diseases because you're breathing pollution and toxic fumes that are in the air.

01:39:33.000 That's a fact.

01:39:35.000 That's undeniable.

01:39:37.000 100%.

01:39:39.000 That's a fact.

01:39:40.000 Climate change, and you're not talking about that, that's kind of crazy.

01:39:43.000 Because the climate change thing is really nuanced.

01:39:47.000 And there's a ton of factors, including solar activity.

01:39:52.000 There's all sorts of weird shit that happens with the temperature on Earth.

01:39:57.000 Before humans ever existed, it would go way up and way down, and way up and way down.

01:40:04.000 North America was covered in almost two miles of ice, like 50% of it.

01:40:10.000 That was just 10,000 years ago.

01:40:12.000 You go to Scotland sometimes, right?

01:40:14.000 Yes. Do you know that the Romans used to grow grapes on Hadrian's Wall?

01:40:17.000 Wow. Because it was warmer.

01:40:20.000 The Sahara, how about that?

01:40:21.000 Sub-Saharan Africa was a fucking rainforest.

01:40:24.000 And there's whales.

01:40:25.000 They find whales in the desert of Africa.

01:40:30.000 Whales. Well, that proves global warming.

01:40:33.000 Yeah, it warmed there.

01:40:35.000 But it's like it all...

01:40:37.000 The Sahara Desert used to be a fucking...

01:40:39.000 It used to be lush.

01:40:41.000 Yeah. It's crazy that the world just changes.

01:40:44.000 Things happen, and we get pelted every now and then with giant rocks from space, and it fucks everything up.

01:40:49.000 That's the reality that we live in, and it's just like controlling people.

01:40:53.000 And telling people about their carbon footprint.

01:40:57.000 Do not give in to that.

01:40:58.000 Do not give in to that.

01:40:59.000 Especially what China just built 200 new fucking coal plants.

01:41:03.000 Do not give in to this carbon footprint thing.

01:41:06.000 It is all just control.

01:41:07.000 For you to have a carbon tax on everything, it's control.

01:41:11.000 You can't let them have that kind of control over you.

01:41:14.000 Do you know what we're doing in the UK now?

01:41:16.000 What? Industrial energy prices are four times what they are in America.

01:41:21.000 And we can't even make our own virgin steel.

01:41:25.000 Oh, my God.

01:41:26.000 Because of net zero.

01:41:27.000 And not only that, what we're doing is we're not actually reducing our carbon footprint because we still need the steel, right?

01:41:35.000 And we still need the stuff that you make with energy.

01:41:37.000 So we outsource it to India.

01:41:39.000 We outsource it to China.

01:41:40.000 And then we ship it back.

01:41:41.000 And we're like, no carbon footprint.

01:41:43.000 Oh, my God.

01:41:44.000 That's so crazy.

01:41:46.000 Yeah. And so we're destroying our own industry, basically.

01:41:49.000 Did you see that they did this study on cargo ships and they found out that the temperature of the water went up when they made the cargo ships be more efficient and less polluting?

01:42:02.000 What? So the cargo ships, because they're polluting the air, they're essentially creating haze as they...

01:42:10.000 across the fucking ocean.

01:42:13.000 When they made them more efficient and better at filtering out pollution, it actually warmed the surface of the water more.

01:42:24.000 So instead of not...

01:42:26.000 it contributed to global warming by having less pollution.

01:42:31.000 Because there was less filtration of the sun to the surface of the water.

01:42:35.000 That's how much they pollute.

01:42:37.000 So when you think, like, no carbon footprint, like, what is that footprint?

01:42:42.000 That footprint's got to be crazy.

01:42:43.000 Because that footprint is blocking the sun.

01:42:46.000 The footprint for you to get your fucking cheap slippers from India is blocking the sun.

01:42:52.000 You know, the moment I remember going, I realized this was all very weird.

01:42:58.000 When the head of that organization, the most prominent person, was a 14-year-old autistic girl.

01:43:05.000 I think she's 16, or was.

01:43:07.000 No, but she was about 14, 15 at the time.

01:43:09.000 And as somebody who's taught teenagers, they're fucking idiots.

01:43:13.000 Don't ever listen to a teenager.

01:43:16.000 Well, I think she's smart, but she also appears to be...

01:43:19.000 What's that word?

01:43:21.000 What's the word they use?

01:43:22.000 She's autistic.

01:43:23.000 Yeah. I was going to say neurodivergent.

01:43:27.000 You're very progressive, John.

01:43:29.000 But no, but you just had...

01:43:31.000 Seems like it, right?

01:43:31.000 Yeah, no, she definitely is.

01:43:33.000 She's definitely got autism.

01:43:34.000 And she was just...

01:43:34.000 Are you a doctor?

01:43:35.000 How did you do that?

01:43:37.000 By the way, someone having autism doesn't mean they're wrong.

01:43:40.000 But you don't want a young girl leading a global movement.

01:43:44.000 Or a young boy either.

01:43:46.000 Young anybody.

01:43:47.000 Shut the fuck up.

01:43:47.000 But the reason...

01:43:49.000 You're 16. Shut up.

01:43:51.000 But this is exactly it.

01:43:52.000 How dare you!

01:43:53.000 Yeah. And the left was like, we got one!

01:43:56.000 We got a winner!

01:43:58.000 We got a winner, get her out there.

01:44:00.000 Absolutely. And then they put her up there and they were like, isn't this great?

01:44:03.000 And I was like, well, hang on a second.

01:44:05.000 She's got autism, which means...

01:44:08.000 She is going to see things naturally in very black and white terms.

01:44:12.000 Also as well, there's a lot of anxiety-based disorders that come with autism.

01:44:16.000 Can you imagine being globally famous?

01:44:19.000 I don't have to say that to you.

01:44:21.000 Can you imagine being famous, Joe?

01:44:23.000 I can't imagine.

01:44:25.000 I honestly can't.

01:44:26.000 But imagine being this famous at 14. That's child abuse, man.

01:44:32.000 Well, we were actually talking about that yesterday with child stars.

01:44:35.000 Like, how many child stars get out of it okay?

01:44:37.000 I don't think any of them do.

01:44:38.000 I think all of them are fucked up, because their development has just been completely skewed.

01:44:42.000 During your developmental period, when you're at your most vulnerable, you're famous.

01:44:47.000 And you're not vulnerable at all.

01:44:48.000 And you don't have to, like...

01:44:50.000 You don't have to work for people's attention.

01:44:52.000 You're wonderful just from your personality.

01:44:53.000 You're a famous person.

01:44:55.000 Or you can sing.

01:44:56.000 Whatever you're doing when you're a little kid, you're number one.

01:44:59.000 Everybody loves you.

01:44:59.000 The whole family relies on you for money.

01:45:02.000 You're taken to practice and rehearsals, and you're the star and center of attention constantly.

01:45:08.000 Girls love you when you're six.

01:45:10.000 It's nuts.

01:45:11.000 No one can survive it.

01:45:12.000 No, but then add in to the fact of politics as well.

01:45:16.000 So now there's not only people who love you, there's people who hate you and despise you.

01:45:20.000 You know, she's moved on to Palestine.

01:45:22.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:45:23.000 It's wonderful.

01:45:23.000 Did you see that?

01:45:24.000 Super important to get her opinion on things.

01:45:28.000 Did you see that clip of...

01:45:29.000 And again, I actually feel a lot of empathy for her.

01:45:32.000 She's been placed in a terrible situation.

01:45:34.000 But she got up and she was speaking about Palestine at a climate conference.

01:45:38.000 Nice. And a guy got up and went...

01:45:40.000 Like, we're meant to be talking about the climate, not Palestine.

01:45:43.000 Yeah. Hey, what happened with that director?

01:45:46.000 The director who won the Academy Award for some documentary about Palestine and he got snatched up.

01:45:56.000 Do you know that story?

01:45:57.000 No. You don't know that story?

01:45:59.000 Jamie, see if you can find that story.

01:46:00.000 I heard about one or two students that are getting...

01:46:03.000 Yeah, I heard about them as well.

01:46:05.000 But this is a different thing.

01:46:06.000 This is a different one.

01:46:07.000 This is a director.

01:46:07.000 I haven't heard about this.

01:46:09.000 They don't know where he is now.

01:46:10.000 I think he allegedly got snatched up by some soldiers.

01:46:14.000 Where? Jamie will find the story.

01:46:17.000 Oscar-winning Palestinian director Hamdan Balal released after arrest in West Bank.

01:46:22.000 Okay, so they snatched him up and they let him go.

01:46:24.000 Okay. Well, that's good to know.

01:46:27.000 He's been released from detention a day after being injured and arrested in West Bank during a raid on his village.

01:46:32.000 Witnesses say Israeli settlers beat up Bilal, a co-director of the documentary film No Other Land, in the occupied West Bank on Monday local time.

01:46:41.000 Mr. Bilal said he had been assaulted by settlers after filming them attacking a neighbor's house.

01:46:48.000 So, maybe the soldiers...

01:46:52.000 He said he had been pushed to the ground while soldiers yelled at him to stand up and pointed their guns at him.

01:46:58.000 He goes, I've been just waiting outside.

01:46:59.000 If any settlers or any army attacking my home, he told Reuters after being released from police custody.

01:47:05.000 Wow. Well, thankfully he's alive because I was worried when he disappeared and they didn't know where he was.

01:47:12.000 I was like, oh, Jesus.

01:47:13.000 They killed that guy.

01:47:14.000 That's crazy.

01:47:15.000 Yeah. Because it's just, you know, it's the whole...

01:47:19.000 The whole situation is so fucking terrifying.

01:47:21.000 When you see the drone footage, you're like, what in the fuck is going on over there?

01:47:25.000 Like, this is nuts.

01:47:27.000 This whole thing is nuts.

01:47:29.000 And I don't know what's going on with these people protesting in the streets against Hamas.

01:47:33.000 Is that true?

01:47:33.000 Is that real?

01:47:34.000 I think so.

01:47:35.000 Yeah. Insanely courageous thing for those people to do.

01:47:39.000 Yeah. I mean, could you imagine being no mask?

01:47:41.000 You're out in the street protesting against Hamas?

01:47:44.000 Well, we know what's happened before because it's not the first time.

01:47:47.000 There have been small protests and Hamas just come along and shoot them in the knees.

01:47:50.000 Jesus Christ.

01:47:52.000 Yeah. But I mean, how far do these people have to be pushed before they do that?

01:47:56.000 Like, that's crazy.

01:47:57.000 Yeah. You know, we talk about bravery.

01:48:00.000 And, of course, bravery does exist in the West and whatever else and people who speak up and people who lose their jobs.

01:48:05.000 And that is bravery.

01:48:07.000 Let's make no bones about that.

01:48:08.000 Absolutely. But there are those people, like the girls who go out and challenge the morality police in Iran and take off their hijabs and go, no, I'm not going to do it.

01:48:20.000 And then they get thrown in prison.

01:48:22.000 They disappear.

01:48:23.000 And they disappear.

01:48:24.000 You look at those women and you go, you know what?

01:48:27.000 You have got far more balls than any man I've ever met.

01:48:30.000 Do you know what they...

01:48:30.000 I mean, they're blinding them.

01:48:32.000 Oh, my God.

01:48:33.000 That's what the Iranian Revolutionary Guard is doing.

01:48:36.000 They're blinding them, man.

01:48:37.000 They executed an Olympic gold medalist wrestler.

01:48:40.000 Yeah. For protesting.

01:48:42.000 Yeah. Yeah, and, you know, a bunch of people tried to step in.

01:48:47.000 Diplomatic people tried to negotiate.

01:48:51.000 No. They killed them.

01:48:53.000 It's scary, man.

01:48:55.000 You've got to understand, you would think this is unrelated to the United States, but it is.

01:49:02.000 It's humans in power and with ultimate power over society, with a rock-solid set of rules that you can call religion, you can call it whatever you want, but a rock-solid set of rules that you have to adhere to, including how you groom yourself and whether you cover your hair or not.

01:49:19.000 And that sounds crazy.

01:49:21.000 We don't have to worry about that, but you do.

01:49:23.000 Because a lot of the shit that...

01:49:24.000 People on the left or people on the right are trying to get you to go along with is just as ridiculous.

01:49:31.000 And it's just a normal pattern of human behavior.

01:49:34.000 When people get into power, they want ultimate power.

01:49:36.000 The best way to do that is to have real rigid rules and take away everybody's guns and take away everybody's ability to protest.

01:49:43.000 And then keep you poor.

01:49:44.000 Fuck up your economy.

01:49:45.000 Fuck up your banks.

01:49:47.000 All your money went away.

01:49:48.000 Whoops, sorry.

01:49:49.000 Fuck everything up.

01:49:50.000 And do it so that they just keep you down.

01:49:54.000 And that's the best way to get control.

01:49:56.000 And then they siphon off all the resources.

01:49:58.000 They've been doing that forever.

01:50:00.000 Forever. That's Robin Hood.

01:50:01.000 They've been doing that since the beginning of time.

01:50:04.000 And I think that's why Lord of the Rings is such a powerful thing that everyone can relate to because it's ultimately about the relationship with power.

01:50:13.000 And Frodo is trying to make small government, right?

01:50:17.000 That's what he's trying to do.

01:50:19.000 But every one of us, every single one of us has a Boromir inside of us who wants to come along and go, no, no, no, we'll take this and we'll use it for good.

01:50:29.000 Right. We'll use the power.

01:50:31.000 No, no, give it to me.

01:50:31.000 I'll take care of it.

01:50:32.000 I'll sort everything out.

01:50:34.000 You know, why don't we use this against the enemy?

01:50:36.000 And that person lives inside of every human being.

01:50:39.000 The person who says, give me the power, I'll take care of this.

01:50:43.000 And you know who else lives inside every human being?

01:50:45.000 Gollum. Yeah.

01:50:46.000 Yeah. Power is like that, man.

01:50:52.000 It is.

01:50:54.000 And it doesn't matter how much power you experience.

01:50:57.000 Even a little bit of power that you didn't have before.

01:51:00.000 Oh, I've got this.

01:51:01.000 I can do this.

01:51:02.000 Especially if you have contempt for fellow human beings.

01:51:05.000 So if you have power and you fucking hate everybody, that's a bad combination.

01:51:11.000 If you have power...

01:51:13.000 And you're also a psychopath.

01:51:15.000 That's real.

01:51:16.000 But it's also bad if you have good intentions as well.

01:51:19.000 I'll give you this example.

01:51:20.000 I don't know if you're familiar with Tarkovsky.

01:51:23.000 He's like a Russian director.

01:51:25.000 And he did the Stalker film.

01:51:28.000 You're familiar with it?

01:51:29.000 Stalker? Yeah.

01:51:30.000 It's not about a guy who stalks women.

01:51:31.000 It's a different thing.

01:51:32.000 It's based on a book by the Strogatsky brothers.

01:51:35.000 It was called Roadside Picnic.

01:51:38.000 And it's basically about a zone where the aliens came and they did something there nobody knows.

01:51:44.000 And there's all kinds of crazy artifacts and all that kind of stuff.

01:51:47.000 But anyway, in that book, there is a scene where there are people who oppose this alien thing.

01:51:53.000 And they say, we mustn't use this.

01:51:54.000 We mustn't touch this.

01:51:55.000 We need to get these aliens out of here.

01:51:57.000 And another guy says to him, why do you fight these aliens?

01:52:00.000 Like, they want good.

01:52:01.000 They're trying to help us.

01:52:03.000 They're trying to improve things.

01:52:04.000 And he says, I don't fight them because I think they're going to do evil or they want to do evil.

01:52:09.000 I fight them because they're going to do good as they understand it.

01:52:14.000 Whoa. And that's why power is dangerous, because everyone can say, I don't want power to do bad things.

01:52:22.000 I want power to do good things.

01:52:24.000 Now give it to me.

01:52:27.000 Yeah, because when you think about it...

01:52:30.000 There's a lot of people, right?

01:52:32.000 Hitler was like, no, we're going to do the right thing, yeah?

01:52:34.000 Yeah. We're going to do this.

01:52:35.000 It's going to be beautiful, but you know.

01:52:38.000 Stalin. Stalin.

01:52:39.000 We did a great episode with a guy called Stephen Hicks.

01:52:42.000 He's a historian of philosophy and a philosopher.

01:52:44.000 And he basically explained to us that the Nazis, they saw themselves as heroic.

01:52:48.000 They weren't doing evil in their heads.

01:52:50.000 They were saving the world in their minds.

01:52:53.000 Of course.

01:52:53.000 And they're on meth.

01:52:54.000 And they're on meth.

01:52:55.000 Yeah. So they were efficient.

01:52:58.000 Well, they were German too, so they were very efficient.

01:53:00.000 It's just primitive Adderall.

01:53:01.000 Yeah. But, you know, and that's, I think, one of the things that's good about getting older is that you become...

01:53:10.000 If you've got a conscience, you've become less certain in yourself.

01:53:14.000 You realise the fact that you have darkness within you.

01:53:18.000 The problem is, is when you talk to people and they feel like they're morally pure.

01:53:24.000 And you see this on the extremes of both left...

01:53:28.000 And right.

01:53:28.000 And that's where the golem has come in because we've interviewed people on the left and that side of the right and you talk to them and they're all super nice and they're really lovely and they're like, you know, we want this and we want this and we just want people to be happier.

01:53:42.000 And we feel that the best way of doing this is this and the best way of doing that is that.

01:53:46.000 And anybody can see that.

01:53:48.000 And then you challenge them and they're like, you're like, you see the golem.

01:53:53.000 Yeah. You see the golem comes out, even for a second, and you see the look in their eye switch, and you're like, holy fuck.

01:54:01.000 And you're sitting across from somebody, so at an energy level, you go, oh, hello.

01:54:07.000 Yeah, there it is.

01:54:08.000 There it is.

01:54:09.000 There it is.

01:54:10.000 Give me the power.

01:54:11.000 Well, it's also, whether you're on the left or you're on the right, if you're entering into that arena, you're entering into the arena of like...

01:54:21.000 How the society is structured, essentially.

01:54:25.000 That's what you're doing.

01:54:26.000 You're deciding your way is a better way than these other people, and this is the way we should be handling things.

01:54:30.000 This is what we have to do, and this is how we have to do it.

01:54:33.000 That's a weird stance to take anyway.

01:54:36.000 You know, unless you're exceptionally intelligent and just really tired of it, and you're just like, I just think I have a good perspective, and maybe this is better than my office job.

01:54:44.000 I get that.

01:54:46.000 But there's a lot of people that it becomes their entire identity, too.

01:54:49.000 Your entire identity is based on the assumption that you have a better idea of how to structure society.

01:54:58.000 And we do need those people, but there have to be checks and balances.

01:55:02.000 Well, you know, they're just people.

01:55:04.000 It's just like when you're the only person talking about it.

01:55:09.000 Or there's, you know, a small group of people talking about it.

01:55:13.000 There's still just people talking about it.

01:55:14.000 It's not necessarily representative of how most people think, especially if they weren't influenced.

01:55:19.000 You know, if most people were just a little more objective and didn't have to agree to certain things if you say you're a Republican or have to agree to certain things if you say you're a Democrat, if we could just be a little bit more reasonable, I think we would find that there's more than enough room for a third party in this country.

01:55:38.000 I mean, it's hard to get one off the ground, almost impossible, because they've rigged the whole system.

01:55:44.000 And most people think it's ridiculous.

01:55:46.000 They're not going to vote for a libertarian unless it's a protest vote.

01:55:48.000 You know they're not going to win.

01:55:49.000 But we have room for a legitimate third party because most people, I think, are in the middle.

01:55:55.000 Most people are socially liberal.

01:55:58.000 Most people say, yeah, racism is terrible.

01:56:01.000 Yeah, homophobia is terrible.

01:56:03.000 Letting people out of jail when they kill people is not a good idea.

01:56:09.000 You can just let them right out of jail.

01:56:11.000 This is crazy.

01:56:13.000 You know, like, that's not bad.

01:56:14.000 And also, like, why are these schools so fucked up?

01:56:16.000 How come you've been spending all this money in Afghanistan and you spent none of it in Detroit?

01:56:19.000 Like, what are you doing?

01:56:20.000 Like, how are you guys managing this country?

01:56:22.000 How are you managing our tax dollars?

01:56:24.000 All that's reasonable.

01:56:25.000 Yeah, I think, you know, I think part of the issue is as well, Joe, is that just people, we're tribal by nature.

01:56:31.000 We don't want to alienate people in our tribe or people who we perceive to be in our tribe.

01:56:36.000 So we just go along with things when we really shouldn't.

01:56:39.000 It's like, I'm going to be honest, even on our show, when I have to do a question that I know is going to challenge a guest, there comes a point where I'm like...

01:56:50.000 But you've got to push through.

01:56:52.000 You've got to do it.

01:56:53.000 You've got to do it.

01:56:53.000 And you've got to ask the question.

01:56:55.000 You have to ask them.

01:56:56.000 And I think we live in a culture, and I'm just as guilty of this as anyone, where we just seek comfort all the time.

01:57:03.000 And then we never actually push through.

01:57:06.000 And we never go, I'm going to make myself uncomfortable.

01:57:09.000 And by being uncomfortable...

01:57:12.000 Actually, maybe we're all going to come out a little bit better out of this.

01:57:15.000 Because I'm going to come out a little bit better because I'm going to be braver.

01:57:19.000 And maybe, like my thought, or my opinion on something, it's going to be found out to be bullshit.

01:57:24.000 And that's going to be great for me.

01:57:25.000 Or maybe my argument isn't as sharp as I initially thought.

01:57:29.000 And for instance, if we're having a discussion, you go, hey Francis, what about ABCD?

01:57:33.000 And I'm like, ah.

01:57:34.000 I didn't think about any of that.

01:57:35.000 This sounded great in my head, but actually it's pretty simplistic and one-dimensional.

01:57:39.000 And if I challenge you, the same thing happens to you.

01:57:41.000 You go, you know what?

01:57:43.000 Yeah, I can see that.

01:57:45.000 But if nobody's prepared to do that, then all that happens is we sit in our little silo with our own bullshit little ideas that actually, when the rubber hits the road...

01:57:55.000 They don't work in reality, and what's more, it's not just that they don't work, it's that they're actually detrimental and destructive to human beings.

01:58:03.000 Right. Have you ever heard someone say something, and then the other person says, yeah, but what about the, the, the, the?

01:58:10.000 I'm like, okay, but you didn't, whataboutisms are a perfect example of that, right?

01:58:14.000 When someone does a whataboutism, what they're basically saying is, I'm not going to address what you said, I'm going to call you on something to make you address something.

01:58:22.000 So you've stopped talking about stuff, and now you're just trying to win.

01:58:25.000 And this is what most people are doing.

01:58:27.000 Most people are just trying to win.

01:58:28.000 They're just trying to take the better...

01:58:31.000 End of the, you know, whatever, arm wrestling, they want to get your wrist bent over.

01:58:35.000 They want to win.

01:58:36.000 So that's what a lot of this political discourse in this country is about.

01:58:40.000 It's about just, it's connected to this bizarre human tribal behavior of competition.

01:58:46.000 That's why I brought up the signal story, because, like, the obvious thing that happened there, somebody made a mistake, mistakes happen, you make mistakes, I make mistakes, you admit it?

01:58:54.000 You accept it, you investigate, you find out what happened, and you move on.

01:58:57.000 But there are a lot of people doing exactly what you said.

01:58:59.000 But what about this?

01:59:00.000 What about Hillary Clinton?

01:59:01.000 Well, she's not in fucking power now.

01:59:03.000 We're not talking about Hillary Clinton.

01:59:04.000 We're not talking about Huma and the laptop.

01:59:06.000 We're talking about what just happened.

01:59:08.000 But here's what I was going back to earlier.

01:59:10.000 Why don't they have their own encrypted app?

01:59:13.000 You spent so much fucking money on all kinds of shit.

01:59:16.000 How much does it cost to make an encrypted app?

01:59:19.000 It can't be that much.

01:59:20.000 If the government is doing about a trillion, mate, but if...

01:59:23.000 But wouldn't you think you would want an app that only...

01:59:26.000 You know how Eric Prince has that unplugged phone?

01:59:31.000 Yes. I don't know anything about it, but I do know that he has his own app on the phone that's an encrypted app, an unplugged encrypted app.

01:59:38.000 So you would...

01:59:39.000 How many people have that fucking thing?

01:59:42.000 If you're going to contact someone who has it, it should be something like that, but even more classified.

01:59:47.000 You should have a website.

01:59:49.000 You'd probably have to do it on an Android phone because you'd have to download it through a third party or get some sort of a backdoor deal with Apple where they allow you to put it on the App Store where only you could get into it with a password or something.

01:59:59.000 But how do you not have that?

02:00:01.000 It just seems insane.

02:00:02.000 You're using Signal?

02:00:03.000 I use Signal.

02:00:04.000 How the fuck do you use a Signal?

02:00:05.000 That's crazy.

02:00:07.000 You should have your own shit.

02:00:08.000 Yeah, and it just becomes about ego, man.

02:00:10.000 It's like, this is my team.

02:00:11.000 We're going to win at all costs.

02:00:13.000 And then once you start thinking that, you just go, well, if this person is challenging me, it doesn't matter how legitimate the challenge is, actually, if I go and destroy them through whatever, even if it's an underhand means, my team still wins, that's okay.

02:00:27.000 But it's bad for everybody who's just, like, reluctantly on your team because they think the other team sucks more.

02:00:33.000 Now you're like, well, you guys are sucking close to them now.

02:00:36.000 Don't do that.

02:00:37.000 And that will happen over the next four years, I think.

02:00:40.000 100%. It's human beings.

02:00:43.000 And it's also, again, all these people are doing their job for the first time.

02:00:46.000 You know, Kash Patel just started running the FBI.

02:00:49.000 Just started.

02:00:50.000 Just started on the job.

02:00:51.000 Like, what?

02:00:52.000 And has security that's not FBI security?

02:00:55.000 Because he doesn't trust the FBI security, so he gets his own security?

02:00:59.000 What? Like, imagine that hostile environment.

02:01:02.000 Yeah. And look, I want all these people to crush.

02:01:05.000 I want them all to be incredibly successful at what they do in your country and in our country.

02:01:09.000 That's interesting.

02:01:09.000 Because it makes our country better, right?

02:01:11.000 Yeah. Yeah, of course you do.

02:01:12.000 Yeah. And that's what...

02:01:14.000 Look, if you...

02:01:15.000 The vast majority of people, when it boils down to it...

02:01:19.000 They don't care about team left.

02:01:21.000 They don't care about team right.

02:01:22.000 They just want a better country.

02:01:24.000 I want a better America.

02:01:25.000 I want to come to America and go, this is the greatest country in the world.

02:01:28.000 And I want to come to Britain and go, this is the greatest country in the world.

02:01:32.000 I mean, we'd never say that because we're British, but...

02:01:34.000 I mean, if someone said that in Britain, you're like, dude, you're mentally ill.

02:01:38.000 I think Ellen's generous just said it.

02:01:40.000 The Britain's the greatest country in the world?

02:01:42.000 She just moved there.

02:01:43.000 Well, give her a couple of years.

02:01:45.000 Yeah, and she'll soon get disavowed of that notion.

02:01:48.000 I think she's already in a squabble with her neighbors.

02:01:50.000 She is.

02:01:51.000 She was doing some construction.

02:01:53.000 It was already an issue.

02:01:55.000 Yeah. I mean, there is nothing more British than that.

02:01:57.000 Someone coming around and going, have you got approval for that?

02:02:00.000 We're going to need to see.

02:02:01.000 10 reams of 10 documents.

02:02:03.000 Have you signed?

02:02:05.000 That's exactly what we do.

02:02:06.000 It's a whole country of homeowners associations.

02:02:08.000 Yeah. Everybody hates homeowners associations.

02:02:13.000 They always give you a hard time about your lawn or whatever the fuck it is.

02:02:16.000 Like, get out of here.

02:02:17.000 You can't paint it that color.

02:02:18.000 We have guidelines.

02:02:20.000 Yeah. But that's...

02:02:22.000 Look, I think that's what everybody here wants.

02:02:25.000 I want America to be incredible, great...

02:02:28.000 Brilliant country.

02:02:29.000 I want that for my country as well.

02:02:31.000 And I'll be honest with you, I always normally sided with the left because I thought that was a way of doing it.

02:02:36.000 But right now, I don't care.

02:02:39.000 I just want the best people to come out and work for the country.

02:02:43.000 You're gonna make mistakes.

02:02:45.000 You're gonna fuck it up.

02:02:46.000 You're gonna say dumb stuff.

02:02:47.000 I say dumb stuff.

02:02:48.000 You're gonna put in procedures that don't work.

02:02:51.000 We all get that.

02:02:52.000 But what I want, and what I think the vast majority of people want, is people not on Team X or Team Y, but on Team Britain and Team America.

02:03:02.000 Yeah. You know, there's that saying...

02:03:05.000 Show me a young man who's not a liberal, and I'll show you...

02:03:08.000 Who said that?

02:03:09.000 Churchill. Churchill.

02:03:10.000 And show me an old man who's not a conservative, and I'll show you a man with no brain.

02:03:14.000 I don't necessarily think you have to give up on people.

02:03:20.000 Like, the idea is that at a certain point in time, you realize, like, that too many people are too fucked up, and you have to have more conservative values, because that's the only way society can function.

02:03:32.000 But that's...

02:03:33.000 That's kind of cynical.

02:03:35.000 The idea is that you can't be an actual, true, kind, progressive person and be successful at life deep into your 60s and 70s.

02:03:46.000 Of course you can.

02:03:47.000 It totally can be done.

02:03:49.000 There's real, genuinely kind, compassionate people out there that are intelligent and they're not weak.

02:03:54.000 There's just not that many.

02:03:55.000 No. And there's a lot of people that are LARPing.

02:03:57.000 There's a lot of people that are pretending they're progressive, pretending they're kind, when really they're the fucking people key in Teslas.

02:04:05.000 There's a lot of people out there that are just this aping this position that they're in.

02:04:10.000 They're faking it.

02:04:11.000 I think that's one of the big fundamental...

02:04:14.000 Debates between left and right.

02:04:16.000 Thomas Sowell has a great book about this called Conflict of Visions.

02:04:18.000 It's really fundamentally about what you see as the truth about human nature.

02:04:24.000 The right thinks human nature is imperfect.

02:04:28.000 And that's what it is.

02:04:29.000 And you have to deal with that reality.

02:04:31.000 Some people are going to be criminals.

02:04:32.000 Some people are going to be drug addicts.

02:04:34.000 And the left, particularly at the extreme ends, thinks in a utopian way.

02:04:38.000 Everything is changeable.

02:04:39.000 Everything is perfectible.

02:04:40.000 Everybody can be improved.

02:04:42.000 Anybody can be a woman.

02:04:43.000 Anybody can become a woman.

02:04:45.000 And that's where you get, like, you know, the homelessness problem in America.

02:04:51.000 Partly it's about that.

02:04:52.000 It's about the idea, well, we'll shut down these terrible, and they were terrible mental institutions, right?

02:04:57.000 And then we give people freedom.

02:04:59.000 Because anybody can handle freedom.

02:05:01.000 Freedom is great in and of itself.

02:05:03.000 It's wonderful.

02:05:03.000 And then you leave mentally ill people and drug-addicted people on the streets where they have a horrible life.

02:05:09.000 And that's really the big difference.

02:05:11.000 Whereas the right, obviously, it really believes in this idea that human nature is corrupted, I suppose.

02:05:19.000 And you have to put things in place to manage that.

02:05:23.000 And both those extremes can go...

02:05:25.000 In the wrong direction.

02:05:26.000 And that's why you need a balance between the two.

02:05:28.000 Yeah. You can't have one party dominate.

02:05:31.000 I think the good thing about the Republicans getting into office is it forces Democrats to be better.

02:05:38.000 Yeah. That's a good thing.

02:05:39.000 I mean, I would love for some reasonable Democrat to come along that I can get behind.

02:05:43.000 Make a lot of sense.

02:05:44.000 It'd be great.

02:05:44.000 It'd be great to be some people.

02:05:46.000 Just come to the center.

02:05:48.000 Let's just be reasonable about stuff.

02:05:51.000 This idea that you have to become a conservative as you get older, why?

02:05:54.000 Who says so?

02:05:55.000 Why? You know, there are moments, the homelessness situation in this country is so crazy, but there's moments where...

02:06:02.000 It's just really funny.

02:06:04.000 We were walking down the street in DC and there was this lady and she was obviously very mentally unwell.

02:06:09.000 She looked at me and then she went Ashkenazi and then said something which was a clearly anti-Semitic slur.

02:06:16.000 And I was like, whoa, and then looked at Constantine and went, biracial bitch.

02:06:20.000 That's what I am.

02:06:21.000 Whoa. Yeah.

02:06:23.000 And what did you guys do to cause this?

02:06:25.000 Nothing. We're just walking down the street.

02:06:26.000 Wow. Yeah.

02:06:28.000 See, we walk around a lot in America, which I think a lot of people, most people drive here.

02:06:32.000 So we encounter a lot of that.

02:06:34.000 And in every major city that we've been to, there is a hell of a lot of people who are just mentally ill, man.

02:06:41.000 That's what they are.

02:06:42.000 And they need help.

02:06:43.000 They don't need to be there with a fucking shopping cart on the street with all their belongings out of their brains.

02:06:48.000 I think we need to scoop them up, put them in the factories, get them to work, do what China does.

02:06:55.000 They're smart.

02:06:58.000 Imagine if that was my real solution.

02:07:01.000 I mean, China does do that, right?

02:07:02.000 Like, you don't see homeless people on the street in China.

02:07:04.000 They don't tolerate any of that shit.

02:07:05.000 Which is, you would go there and go, oh, it's better here.

02:07:07.000 But, okay, at what cost?

02:07:09.000 Exactly. Right?

02:07:10.000 Like, what do you do with San Francisco when it gets that bad?

02:07:14.000 What do you do?

02:07:14.000 You invite Xi Jinping over.

02:07:15.000 They clean the streets right up, man.

02:07:19.000 The best thing was how Newsom described it.

02:07:21.000 It's like, well, when your friends come to visit, you clean up the house.

02:07:24.000 How about you just keep your house clean, you fucking psycho?

02:07:26.000 What are you talking about?

02:07:27.000 He's doing an interesting pivot at the moment, isn't he?

02:07:30.000 Gavin Newsom.

02:07:31.000 300 million people in the country home to 1.4 billion Chinese are homeless.

02:07:36.000 What? What?

02:07:38.000 No. No, no, no, no, no.

02:07:40.000 There's only a billion people.

02:07:42.000 Plus in China 300 million.

02:07:45.000 Oh Oh, I missed the first part that you didn't highlight it.

02:07:49.000 So it's estimated that 300 million people are homeless.

02:07:52.000 What? Yeah, that's crazy in the whole country.

02:07:55.000 Yeah, I remember when I went to...

02:07:56.000 That's called camping in China.

02:07:58.000 Let's not emulate them then.

02:08:00.000 Are they counting nomads?

02:08:02.000 Are they counting people that live in yurts?

02:08:04.000 That's interesting.

02:08:05.000 Yours seems like a house.

02:08:06.000 Kind of.

02:08:07.000 Cloth house.

02:08:07.000 That was the Mongols.

02:08:09.000 They hated houses.

02:08:11.000 They ruled over the people who lived in felt tents.

02:08:14.000 Yeah. Yeah.

02:08:16.000 300 million homeless people.

02:08:17.000 I mean, have you been to China, Joe?

02:08:19.000 Wow, look at that.

02:08:20.000 No. What are you, crazy?

02:08:23.000 I'm not going there.

02:08:24.000 Fuck that.

02:08:25.000 It's an interesting country.

02:08:26.000 I went there.

02:08:27.000 I'm sure.

02:08:27.000 Do you know, I went there in 2006 in Beijing, and the pollution was so bad, you couldn't really see the sun at midday.

02:08:36.000 Wow. The sun was like an orange lozenge in the sky.

02:08:40.000 So that's an example we were talking about before.

02:08:43.000 You're dying younger if you live there, for sure.

02:08:46.000 Yeah, absolutely.

02:08:47.000 100%. That's probably like smoking packs of cigarettes.

02:08:50.000 Packs, packs, packs.

02:08:52.000 For everybody.

02:08:53.000 Everybody, your little baby, smoking packs of cigarettes.

02:08:55.000 And it's so interesting when you go there as well.

02:08:58.000 I remember we were driving down the road and...

02:09:01.000 China is just this kind of...

02:09:04.000 The roads is...

02:09:05.000 Everybody cuts each other up.

02:09:06.000 Everybody's trying to get one up on the other one.

02:09:08.000 It's complete chaos.

02:09:09.000 You're driving down.

02:09:10.000 Someone will literally cut in front of you.

02:09:12.000 The person will cut in front of them, cut in front of them.

02:09:14.000 And that's how it is.

02:09:15.000 Until the secret police drive by in their cars and they make this sound.

02:09:19.000 They go...

02:09:20.000 And then everybody falls into line, drives perfectly.

02:09:26.000 The secret police car just glides through.

02:09:29.000 Everybody's on their best behavior.

02:09:31.000 Then the car goes and everyone's back to going...

02:09:33.000 Wow. And you're like, that is fascinating.

02:09:39.000 That's how you get in control of people.

02:09:40.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:09:42.000 Digital currency.

02:09:43.000 Social credit score.

02:09:44.000 Let's get it together.

02:09:49.000 This is a 50-lane holiday traffic jam in China.

02:09:53.000 Oh my...

02:09:55.000 God, I have so much anxiety right now.

02:09:58.000 Does that remind you of LA, Joe?

02:10:00.000 Look, they're all going through a checkpoint.

02:10:02.000 They have to all go through a checkpoint.

02:10:04.000 That's what the traffic jam's about.

02:10:06.000 Look how they went through the checkpoint.

02:10:08.000 Twelve day long traffic jam.

02:10:11.000 But did you see how they go through the checkpoint and they're flying through?

02:10:17.000 See, they all go through this.

02:10:18.000 I'm guessing it's a toll road, right?

02:10:20.000 Yes, it's a toll station.

02:10:22.000 Three hours to pass through the toll stations.

02:10:25.000 50 lanes passing through the toll stations.

02:10:28.000 Oh my god.

02:10:29.000 Imagine you're in a Tesla and you see your battery life going down.

02:10:32.000 You're like, oh my god, I'm so fucked.

02:10:33.000 I'm so fucked.

02:10:35.000 And I'm so fucked.

02:10:36.000 Look at this.

02:10:37.000 Wow. Look at this.

02:10:38.000 This is insane.

02:10:41.000 Insane. And then there's a bottleneck getting out.

02:10:45.000 Oh my god.

02:10:48.000 That's what happens.

02:10:49.000 Too many people, too much control.

02:10:51.000 Yeah. Japan's interesting.

02:10:53.000 You've been to Japan?

02:10:54.000 I have.

02:10:54.000 Yeah. Yeah, but briefly.

02:10:56.000 I was just there for UFC.

02:10:57.000 Ah, okay.

02:10:58.000 Yeah. You feel like if you want to go somewhere and you want to feel like an uncultured, uneducated barbarian, Japan's a great place for that.

02:11:05.000 They sent me up to my room to go put on a long-sleeved shirt to hit the gym.

02:11:10.000 Tattoos. You can't have exposed tattoos.

02:11:12.000 I was working out with tattoos and they told me, no, no, no, no, no.

02:11:15.000 Are your tattoos Yakuza tattoos?

02:11:17.000 No, but this one is Miyamoto Musashi.

02:11:19.000 Yeah. Who's that?

02:11:21.000 The Book of Five Rings.

02:11:22.000 The samurai that killed 60 men in unarmed combat and wrote a book on strategy.

02:11:27.000 You never read The Book of Five Rings?

02:11:29.000 Wow. It's one of the great philosophy books of all time because it's by this guy that was one of the greatest samurais ever and he was a ronin so he was like traveling the earth having duels with people and killed 62 men in one-on-one duels and wrote about the importance of balance.

02:11:46.000 He's like, to be a great samurai you have to be a great artist.

02:11:50.000 You have to be great at calligraphy.

02:11:51.000 You have to be a poet.

02:11:53.000 You have to, like, everything you do you have to do to the best of your ability.

02:11:57.000 You can have no holes in your game.

02:11:59.000 A human being in order to survive and keep your shit together and one-on-one sword fighting He got to the point where he's so bored killing people that he started killing people with ores So he would carve an oar and like take down the flat part and just make it a pole and they would have a sword And he would fight them with an oar and beat them to death with the oar Like this big old fucking pole and they have a sword and he's fucking them up because he's bored killing people with swords.

02:12:27.000 He just wants to bludgeon someone with a sword to death instead of...

02:12:31.000 It's like he would show up hours late so they'd be shitting their pants because they knew they were supposed to duel Musashi at like 8 a.m. and he'd show up around noon.

02:12:39.000 With an awl.

02:12:40.000 And they'd be a fucking nervous wreck because he knew he wasn't gonna sword fight until noon.

02:12:44.000 So he's probably chilling on his boat, relaxing.

02:12:48.000 And they go, alright, I'll get it down there.

02:12:49.000 So he rows down there, pulls out one of his fucking carved ores and beats you to death.

02:12:54.000 Well, Joe, if the Prime Minister of Britain bans ores, it's your fault, mate.

02:12:58.000 But his book is amazing.

02:13:00.000 So I don't know, I think it's any tattoo where I got sent up to my room.

02:13:05.000 I don't think you can have exposed tattoos in this fine establishment.

02:13:08.000 Yeah, I think it's the, because I've got Japanese-style tattoos, I think it's the association between tattoos and Yakuza's.

02:13:15.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:13:18.000 Yeah, and I'm sure a lot of Yakuza's have Musashi tattoos.

02:13:22.000 Yeah. But obviously I'm not the Yakuza.

02:13:24.000 But I do know a guy who had a long relationship with them, Ensign Inoue, who was an elite UFC fighter back in the day.

02:13:36.000 And he lives in Japan, and he's had a bunch of run-ins with Yakuza's.

02:13:43.000 Has he still got his fingers?

02:13:44.000 He does.

02:13:45.000 He's managed to keep his fingers.

02:13:47.000 I don't think he's a part of them.

02:13:48.000 I think they just respect him.

02:13:49.000 He's a famous MMA pioneer fighter.

02:13:53.000 Wow. Yeah.

02:13:55.000 That's a special type of person who has a run-in with a Yakuza.

02:13:59.000 Well, I mean, if you're living in that part of the world, I'm sure that's just...

02:14:05.000 If you're in their areas, you're dealing with them.

02:14:09.000 You know, I mean, that's just, that's how it's run over there.

02:14:13.000 It's like when the Italians used to run, you know, parts of New York City.

02:14:17.000 Like, that's just how it is.

02:14:19.000 Until the Giuliani administration infiltrated, you know, and the FBI infiltrated the mob and they've essentially, like, taken the teeth out of the Italian mob.

02:14:29.000 But that was Vegas.

02:14:31.000 The mob ran Vegas.

02:14:32.000 Yeah. One of the things I find fascinating about the Yakuza when I read about them is their honor code.

02:14:38.000 They had very strict honor codes, didn't they?

02:14:41.000 Yeah. So they never messed with old people.

02:14:43.000 If someone was old, I may be wrong about this, but they just wouldn't get involved because they have a reverence for old people.

02:14:50.000 I think women as well were seen as kind of off-limits in children.

02:14:54.000 Everyone else, like, if you're not obeying or following, that's fair game.

02:14:58.000 Isn't that weird?

02:14:59.000 You got rules in how you do evil shit.

02:15:03.000 I don't do evil shit to any young folks.

02:15:06.000 I stop my evil shit.

02:15:08.000 You know, anything below 16, fuck that.

02:15:11.000 Yeah, but you know, that's...

02:15:13.000 Weird. Controlled evil.

02:15:14.000 Yeah, I don't shoot any kids anymore.

02:15:16.000 I did that early in my career.

02:15:18.000 I'm past that.

02:15:19.000 You know, I moved on.

02:15:20.000 Got it out of my system.

02:15:21.000 I don't do open mic nights anymore.

02:15:23.000 I don't shoot kids.

02:15:26.000 You know, hit me on with a conscience.

02:15:28.000 Yeah. You know, it's...

02:15:30.000 It's interesting, but how they even have morality.

02:15:33.000 I've seen a lot of interviews with old gangsters, particularly from the Kraze era.

02:15:38.000 Oh, yeah.

02:15:39.000 And there was one guy who's dead now.

02:15:41.000 He's called Mad Frankie Fraser.

02:15:43.000 Imagine running into Mad Frankie in a pub.

02:15:46.000 Shit, it's Mad Frankie.

02:15:48.000 Fuck! And this guy was a really short guy, and I saw him interviewed on, I might even be on YouTube, and he told a story, and he was like, you know, I was going for a walk along Wimbledon Common, and I saw the governor of Wandsworth Prison, where I was, for many years, and he goes, and I didn't like him.

02:16:10.000 So what I did was, I went and got my mate, and he got a rope, and we got him, and we started to hang him.

02:16:18.000 But the problem is, is we were hanging him, and I couldn't reach the second branch, because I'm only a little fella, so we couldn't hang him properly.

02:16:25.000 And everybody was laughing about it, and just going, yeah, this is so funny, because he was this charming, funny little guy.

02:16:31.000 And I remember as a kid watching it, watching the audience laughing, going, like, that ain't funny, man.

02:16:36.000 Jesus Christ.

02:16:38.000 You know, and then you go, and then he went, but you've got to understand.

02:16:41.000 You've got to understand.

02:16:42.000 I didn't do it to nice, ordinary people.

02:16:45.000 I only did it to rascals.

02:16:47.000 And for him, that was his honor code.

02:16:50.000 Rascals. Imagine that.

02:16:52.000 You rascal.

02:16:55.000 Imagine that's the term you use for a guy you had to hang.

02:16:58.000 A rascal.

02:16:58.000 He was a rascal.

02:16:59.000 Had to hang him.

02:17:00.000 A rascal.

02:17:01.000 You silly rascal.

02:17:03.000 Yeah. Jesus Christ.

02:17:04.000 Well, the world was a harder place back then.

02:17:07.000 You know?

02:17:08.000 I mean, that's not that long ago.

02:17:10.000 I mean, if you were in the 1950s in Vegas and you fucked up, you...

02:17:13.000 Found yourself in the middle of that lake that they keep finding bodies in.

02:17:18.000 They just discovered some guy from the 1970s that's been missing forever.

02:17:23.000 Found him in a fucking barrel at the bottom of the Lake Mead.

02:17:27.000 How many bodies have they found in Lake Mead so far?

02:17:30.000 So as it drains, because they're experiencing significant drought, the more it drains, the more bodies they keep finding.

02:17:37.000 Find like old hands poking up and shit.

02:17:39.000 They've been killing people out there forever.

02:17:40.000 And that's just the lake.

02:17:42.000 That's lazy people that don't like to dig holes.

02:17:44.000 That whole desert is just filled with holes.

02:17:49.000 There's probably thousands of people buried out there.

02:17:51.000 Some guy who fucking didn't pay his debt.

02:17:54.000 Some guy who talked too much to the press.

02:17:56.000 Some guy who did this.

02:17:57.000 Some guy who fucked this guy's wife.

02:18:01.000 Since May 22...

02:18:03.000 2022, four sets of human remains have been located at Lake Mead.

02:18:06.000 Here's what we know about those instances.

02:18:10.000 Yeah, so they found that body in a barrel.

02:18:13.000 Crazy. I think that one was from the 70s.

02:18:17.000 Yeah, mid to late 70s.

02:18:20.000 Victims' shoes and clothes were sold at Kmart in the mid to late 1970s.

02:18:26.000 Wow. That's wild.

02:18:29.000 And six days later they found someone else.

02:18:31.000 Imagine if you could just watch a time lapse of them dropping that body off in the water and then speeding up all the years.

02:18:40.000 And then eventually the water pulls back and the barrel and the lady walking her dog's like, what the fuck?

02:18:46.000 Yeah. Have you ever seen Casino?

02:18:49.000 Yes. Oh, man.

02:18:50.000 Have you seen Casino?

02:18:52.000 Great fucking movie.

02:18:52.000 Yeah, and it talks about all of this.

02:18:54.000 Oh, yeah.

02:18:55.000 I remember I was flying to Austin, actually, and I just...

02:18:58.000 I was like, I haven't seen this movie in ages, so let's put it on.

02:19:01.000 And you know, like most movies, when you watch it on a plane, you're kind of distracted, you start looking at your phone, you start mucking about, whatever.

02:19:08.000 You're not really...

02:19:09.000 Even if it was on this tiny little screen, it was like zoomed straight in.

02:19:13.000 And it talked about all of this stuff.

02:19:15.000 And I've forgotten what a great movie it was.

02:19:18.000 You know, immediately you just saw.

02:19:20.000 And again, the honor code came out.

02:19:21.000 And the way they disposed of people were like, yeah, we're going to have to whack him.

02:19:25.000 You motherfucker!

02:19:27.000 Joe Pesci!

02:19:30.000 Oh my god, when they kill those guys at the end, like, oh my god.

02:19:33.000 With the baseball bats.

02:19:34.000 Yeah, that was standard shit in Vegas.

02:19:38.000 You know, I mean, the mob ran it their way, and their way is, you know, they're a bunch of fucking psychopaths.

02:19:44.000 And people still, to this day, are like, Vegas was better when the mob ran it.

02:19:49.000 For you, bitch.

02:19:51.000 Because you survived, because you didn't lose at Blackjack.

02:19:54.000 Here it is.

02:19:55.000 Goodfellas. Yeah.

02:19:56.000 Oh, and Goodfellas, they killed him with the baseball bats.

02:19:59.000 That's Goodfellas.

02:19:59.000 So what am I thinking of with the casino?

02:20:01.000 No, no, no.

02:20:02.000 Oh, that's in casino.

02:20:02.000 Yeah, that's in casino.

02:20:04.000 Oh, the same guy.

02:20:06.000 Billy Bats in casino.

02:20:07.000 That's right.

02:20:08.000 Yeah, this is...

02:20:09.000 Look, the blur of the fucking baseball bat moving towards his head.

02:20:13.000 Yikes. Yeah, man.

02:20:15.000 You motherfucker!

02:20:18.000 You motherfucker!

02:20:19.000 So how much of that is still going on, Joe?

02:20:21.000 I don't know.

02:20:22.000 I wish I knew.

02:20:23.000 I mean, it's got to be some of it, right?

02:20:25.000 There's got to be some organized crime.

02:20:26.000 It's not like they completely went away.

02:20:28.000 But I think it's just harder these days.

02:20:30.000 And I think it's being infiltrated by Russians and Chinese.

02:20:34.000 And I think they have a little bit...

02:20:35.000 Look, if they don't...

02:20:37.000 If they're speaking in Russian, unless you speak Russian, you don't even know what the fuck they're saying.

02:20:41.000 They could talk right in front of you.

02:20:44.000 And whenever there's money to be made...

02:20:46.000 There's going to be people making it.

02:20:48.000 If there's people buying drugs, there's people selling it.

02:20:50.000 If there's people buying guns, there's people selling it.

02:20:52.000 And then you've got organized crime.

02:20:53.000 That's just a fact.

02:20:54.000 And if you make things illegal, illegal people are going to sell those things.

02:20:58.000 And that's what prohibition did to alcohol in this country.

02:21:00.000 It propped up Al Capone and it made the Kennedys rich, allegedly.

02:21:04.000 Some people say not.

02:21:06.000 It made moonshiners.

02:21:07.000 It started NASCAR.

02:21:09.000 That's where NASCAR comes from.

02:21:10.000 Yeah, you know, it's because I used to teach in the East End of London, and there's still legends about Ronnie and Reggie Cray.

02:21:19.000 And the one thing that they always used to say about Ronnie and Reggie, they go, yeah, yeah, yeah, they were bad people, but they were nice to their mum.

02:21:26.000 Oh, that's sweet.

02:21:27.000 Yeah. I appreciate that.

02:21:29.000 Yeah. Like a good psychopathic serial killer who's nice to his mom.

02:21:33.000 Yeah. And they were just like, yeah, but mate, you were not his mom.

02:21:35.000 Do you know what I mean?

02:21:36.000 And if you pissed them off, this is what would happen.

02:21:38.000 And here's the wild thing, Joe.

02:21:40.000 I taught two boys at this school in East London.

02:21:43.000 Can you guess what their names were?

02:21:44.000 Two brothers.

02:21:46.000 Tell me.

02:21:47.000 Ronnie and Reggie.

02:21:49.000 Wow. Somebody actually named their kids.

02:21:51.000 Somebody named their kids the crazed names.

02:21:54.000 So in America, that's normal.

02:21:55.000 Oh, it's just Ronnie and Reggie.

02:21:56.000 But in your country, it's like Adolph and...

02:21:59.000 And Joseph.

02:22:00.000 But Joseph is my name.

02:22:04.000 God damn, that's a wild family, I bet.

02:22:07.000 Like, you can't name your kid Adolph anymore.

02:22:09.000 It's basically over.

02:22:11.000 Yeah. Yeah, they ruined a good name.

02:22:14.000 No one's trying that.

02:22:14.000 We actually, when we used to do this comedy show on our channel during the pandemic, there was a guy in Africa who was called Adolph.

02:22:23.000 Was it spelled different?

02:22:24.000 No. No, no, no.

02:22:25.000 It was a tribute act.

02:22:27.000 Whoa. Yeah, they named him after Hitler.

02:22:30.000 Oh, God.

02:22:31.000 Yeah. That's crazy.

02:22:33.000 Yeah. Yeah, there's certain names that are over.

02:22:36.000 It's over.

02:22:36.000 Yeah. That one's one of them.

02:22:38.000 That guy killed the name and the mustache.

02:22:40.000 That shit's done.

02:22:41.000 You know, I remember with this kid, Ronnie, and they were just saying to him, people were talking, they were like, you know what, Ronnie's not doing well at school at the moment.

02:22:49.000 I'm like, yeah, I fucking wonder why.

02:22:52.000 Jesus Christ.

02:22:53.000 He's named after one of the most notorious gangsters in British history.

02:22:57.000 Yeah, probably not a stable family life.

02:22:59.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:23:00.000 I doubt he's got good role models, you know what I mean?

02:23:02.000 Yeah. It's weird when the hit men have families and they're real kind to their daughter and shit.

02:23:10.000 What's the guy's name that was the Iceman?

02:23:12.000 Oh, that movie was incredible.

02:23:13.000 Did you watch the movie?

02:23:14.000 What was his name?

02:23:18.000 I want to say Kulinski, but that's not...

02:23:20.000 You're close.

02:23:20.000 It's Kukulinski.

02:23:22.000 Kukulinski. That's right.

02:23:23.000 That's right.

02:23:24.000 That guy has antifreeze in his veins.

02:23:27.000 It's terrifying.

02:23:28.000 Listening to him describe the different murders and how he did it and how he got started as a hitman.

02:23:32.000 It's like...

02:23:34.000 You know, this is...

02:23:37.000 I'm not sure if I should...

02:23:38.000 Anyway, a friend of a friend...

02:23:40.000 No, she's not.

02:23:41.000 She's a friend of mine.

02:23:42.000 She was saying that she grew up in East London.

02:23:43.000 She said...

02:23:44.000 And I believed her because the story was so outlandish that she knew a guy who basically was a hitman and used to contract killing.

02:23:53.000 Wow. But he loved animals.

02:23:56.000 Aw. Really passionate about animals.

02:23:58.000 Feed squirrels?

02:23:59.000 Feed squirrels with peanuts?

02:24:00.000 No, no, no, no.

02:24:02.000 He was big on conservation, Joe.

02:24:03.000 Oh, okay.

02:24:04.000 So six months of the year, he would...

02:24:07.000 Do contract killings in London.

02:24:08.000 And the other six months, he would use that money to go and fund to live in Africa where he would kill poachers.

02:24:14.000 Sounds like a Guy Ritchie movie.

02:24:16.000 Yeah. And I was like, really?

02:24:19.000 She was like, yeah, yeah.

02:24:20.000 He's just passionate about wildlife and conservation.

02:24:23.000 That's crazy.

02:24:25.000 Go kill poachers.

02:24:26.000 Yeah, and that's what he did.

02:24:28.000 Maybe that's just an excuse to kill people and feel like you're being a good person.

02:24:31.000 Yeah. That's very British, though.

02:24:32.000 British people love pets a lot more than they love people, in my experience.

02:24:36.000 Really? Oh, yeah, yeah.

02:24:37.000 If you hurt an animal in Britain, you're like a fucking pedophile.

02:24:40.000 Why is Britain that way?

02:24:42.000 Like, what is...

02:24:42.000 I don't know, Francis.

02:24:44.000 You tell me.

02:24:44.000 There's a lack of hunting culture.

02:24:45.000 I think that's part of it.

02:24:46.000 Well, we used to have a big hunting culture.

02:24:48.000 There are hunters.

02:24:48.000 Right, but not in comparison to, like, America.

02:24:51.000 No. You guys, like, pheasant hunt and shit.

02:24:54.000 Like, you don't have, like, a lot...

02:24:55.000 You have rodents.

02:24:56.000 You don't have a lot of, like, big game.

02:24:58.000 And there's not, like, a high percentage of hunters.

02:25:00.000 And then fox hunting, which gets, like, this gross, you know, you're going to kill a fox with a horse.

02:25:07.000 You're going to chase him down.

02:25:08.000 Like, that's, like, a gross view.

02:25:11.000 Generally, of the public.

02:25:12.000 Like, if you bring up fox hunting, most people are like, oh, it's disgusting.

02:25:16.000 It's also got a class thing as well.

02:25:17.000 Fox hunting is seen as a very privileged thing to do, because not everyone has a horse, you know?

02:25:21.000 Exactly. Yeah.

02:25:22.000 And a team of dogs and whatever else.

02:25:25.000 Foxes are cute.

02:25:26.000 Yeah. Yeah, you've never heard them shag outside your bedroom window at three in the morning.

02:25:30.000 I heard the other day.

02:25:31.000 I have one in my neighborhood.

02:25:33.000 What, you've got a fox in your neighborhood?

02:25:34.000 A hundred percent, yeah.

02:25:35.000 We've got video of him screaming in my yard.

02:25:40.000 Yeah, he hangs out.

02:25:41.000 He's near my chicken coop, that fucker.

02:25:43.000 But he's really cute.

02:25:44.000 As long as he doesn't kill any of those chickens, I think he's cute.

02:25:47.000 Why wouldn't he kill any of those chickens?

02:25:48.000 He hasn't yet, you know.

02:25:49.000 Because Joe's got guns.

02:25:50.000 They're well protected.

02:25:52.000 Well, you know, we let them out, but people watch them when they're out.

02:25:56.000 Make sure that, you know, we've had a dog climb in through the fence and get one of them.

02:26:01.000 A little neighbor's dog.

02:26:02.000 Did Marshall not defend them?

02:26:04.000 No. Marshall didn't know.

02:26:05.000 He was sleeping.

02:26:07.000 If you don't have a golden retriever.

02:26:09.000 Golden retrievers have plenty of energy.

02:26:11.000 They love to play, but they also are fine with chilling.

02:26:14.000 And that dog just likes to just lay down and just take a little nap.

02:26:18.000 He'll lay down like half the fucking day.

02:26:20.000 He'll get up as soon as you want to do something.

02:26:21.000 Like, come on, man.

02:26:22.000 Let's go play.

02:26:22.000 Like, he was more than happy.

02:26:24.000 Like, let's go.

02:26:25.000 Let's go.

02:26:26.000 He gets excited.

02:26:26.000 But then it's back to napping.

02:26:28.000 He was napping while his chickens were getting fucked up.

02:26:32.000 Do you know who would have defended their honor?

02:26:34.000 Carl. Yeah, Carl would have.

02:26:36.000 Carl's a little psychopath.

02:26:37.000 Yeah. I've never seen an animal with a desire to bite something like Carl's.

02:26:41.000 Yeah. It's nuts.

02:26:42.000 When he sees Marshall, he just, like a bullet, just runs full speed at him and launches himself to the air to bite Marshall.

02:26:48.000 Marshall's like...

02:26:49.000 They just wrestle around and run in circles.

02:26:52.000 It's fucking hilarious.

02:26:53.000 Yeah. There's something about that small dog energy.

02:26:56.000 Yeah. What's crazy is they used to be wolves.

02:26:59.000 You know, they all used to be wolves.

02:27:01.000 And we...

02:27:02.000 Look at that little cutie face.

02:27:04.000 Look at these little cuties.

02:27:06.000 They're not red.

02:27:06.000 They're so adorable.

02:27:08.000 They're so adorable.

02:27:10.000 And they make that weird...

02:27:11.000 You ever heard their sound?

02:27:14.000 You've heard it.

02:27:15.000 Yeah. I've been kept up many a night for hearing animals having far better sex than I could ever dream of.

02:27:22.000 I'm used to coyotes.

02:27:23.000 And we have those in my neighborhood too.

02:27:25.000 But in LA, coyotes were a real problem.

02:27:27.000 They killed...

02:27:28.000 Eight of my chickens, nine of my chickens, whatever it was.

02:27:31.000 They're horrible, but they're also super necessary because otherwise you'd have an insane rodent problem.

02:27:38.000 They're the cleanup crew for anything that's caught slipping.

02:27:41.000 You want to get rid of the rabbits?

02:27:43.000 You have too many rodents?

02:27:46.000 You have too many rats?

02:27:47.000 Send in the fucking coyotes.

02:27:50.000 They're the cleanup crew.

02:27:51.000 They're really good.

02:27:52.000 But they also eat your dogs.

02:27:54.000 They'll eat your chickens, eat your cats.

02:27:57.000 They eat people's dogs constantly.

02:27:59.000 I know many people whose dogs got eaten by coyotes.

02:28:03.000 That's the thing actually I love about America is your wildlife.

02:28:06.000 It's wild.

02:28:07.000 It's wild.

02:28:08.000 I was with Red Band doing his gig, The Secret Show, and he showed me footage from his garden.

02:28:13.000 They had a mountain lion, a cougar, come in.

02:28:16.000 No, it wasn't a cougar.

02:28:17.000 It was a wild cat.

02:28:18.000 Bobcat? Bobcat.

02:28:19.000 That was it.

02:28:19.000 A bobcat came into his garden.

02:28:22.000 This thing is like a small puma, and it had its cubs with it.

02:28:26.000 It was incredible.

02:28:27.000 Yeah, they're cute.

02:28:28.000 It's wild.

02:28:29.000 Yeah. In Texas, you've got a bunch of weird stuff that people bring in here, too.

02:28:35.000 Like what?

02:28:36.000 Well, there's more Texas.

02:28:38.000 Texas has more tigers in captivity in private collections than all of the wild of Earth.

02:28:47.000 Just Texas.

02:28:50.000 Do you know, Francis, we forget something.

02:28:52.000 This country's fucking wild.

02:28:54.000 This country's crazy.

02:28:55.000 There's more people with tigers in their fucking backyards in Texas than there are in the wild of Earth.

02:29:01.000 That is fucking crazy.

02:29:03.000 Yeah, it's real.

02:29:03.000 That's a fact.

02:29:04.000 And then there's all sorts of other shit that you can have here, too.

02:29:07.000 Like exotic animals from Africa.

02:29:09.000 There's animals that are endangered in the land that they're from, but you can hunt them here.

02:29:16.000 You know, my dad in the 70s used to work for the council in East London, like local government, and he was saying that there was a guy who owned a scrapyard and was so pissed that people were stealing scrap, he bought on the black market a lion to guard his scrapyard.

02:29:34.000 Oh, that's a good move.

02:29:35.000 And just chained it up.

02:29:36.000 He bought a lion on the black market?

02:29:39.000 That does not sound true to me, mate.

02:29:41.000 I'm going to fact-check that shit.

02:29:43.000 You can have a lion here, too.

02:29:44.000 You just have to have a permit.

02:29:50.000 Make sure your lock's good.

02:29:52.000 You got a good lock for the lion?

02:29:54.000 Yes, sir.

02:29:54.000 It's a master lock made in America.

02:29:56.000 Fuck yeah, it is.

02:29:57.000 All right.

02:29:58.000 Well, have a good one.

02:30:00.000 Can you imagine jumping over into someone's yard because you want to steal something and you're confronted by a lion?

02:30:07.000 Yeah. Imagine.

02:30:09.000 Imagine if you're one of those poor migrants that's wandering through Texas and you accidentally hop the wrong fence and you go into the lion encampment or whatever the fuck they have.

02:30:19.000 I mean, I would imagine they have ceilings on these places, hopefully, which is like the San Francisco story, you know, where those kids were throwing pine cones at the tiger and the tiger jumped over the fucking fence because they didn't realize that the fence was only like 12 feet high and a tiger can jump 14 feet high.

02:30:37.000 It got out and killed these kids.

02:30:39.000 Killed one kid.

02:30:41.000 I don't think it actually killed the kid that was throwing the pie.

02:30:43.000 I think it killed his friend or something like that.

02:30:45.000 I forget exactly what the story was.

02:30:47.000 Never stand around when someone's doing stupid shit.

02:30:50.000 Well, how about put a roof?

02:30:51.000 How about put a roof over where you have the monster?

02:30:54.000 How about if the monster can jump, make sure there's a roof.

02:30:57.000 Yeah, also don't wind up the monster.

02:31:00.000 Don't take the piss.

02:31:01.000 But if you're one of those migrants that wanders through the desert, you know, and you make it across the river and you don't know exactly where you're going, you don't have a good sense of direction, you wind up on some guy's property.

02:31:12.000 Is that still going on or has that been stopped now?

02:31:15.000 Well, it's been stopped.

02:31:16.000 I wouldn't say it's been stopped.

02:31:17.000 I think it's been radically...

02:31:21.000 Diminished. I think, what is the numbers of how many people are getting through now?

02:31:26.000 It was from thousands to less than a hundred a day.

02:31:30.000 Maybe a little bit more than that.

02:31:31.000 It's hard to know, really, right?

02:31:33.000 Because they're guessing.

02:31:34.000 These are the people that didn't get caught, so how do you know how many there are?

02:31:37.000 But they do know that there's not this giant line of people that just are assuming they can get in and walk through, and they were just letting them do that.

02:31:45.000 Which is there's no reasonable argument why that makes any sense.

02:31:50.000 No. No matter how kind you are and compassionate and how much you think these people from a third world country deserve the American dream, that's great.

02:31:58.000 But let's find out if they're murderers.

02:32:00.000 Let's find out if they're gang members.

02:32:02.000 Let's find out if they're hitmen for the cartel.

02:32:04.000 Like, what are you just letting everything open?

02:32:07.000 Why would you do that?

02:32:08.000 There's no rational explanation for that other than you've got some sort of nefarious plan.

02:32:14.000 If you're forcing that, trying to stop the enforcement of that, you must have some sort of nefarious plan because it can't be good to let more criminals into the country.

02:32:22.000 It can't be good.

02:32:23.000 And inevitably, if you have an open border, a percentage of them are going to be criminals, especially if they're coming from crime-infested parts of the world.

02:32:31.000 It's a high likelihood.

02:32:33.000 Well, we actually just had a report in the UK which shows that for a long time people were saying actually these people commit crime at a lower level.

02:32:41.000 Uh-uh.

02:32:42.000 Who said that?

02:32:43.000 Why would they say that?

02:32:44.000 Oh, people say that all the time when they defend illegal immigration.

02:32:47.000 It's such a fucking bullshit argument.

02:32:49.000 It's such a bullshit argument.

02:32:51.000 Because, yeah, a lot of them, I bet, don't.

02:32:54.000 94% fewer illegal border crossings detected from February 25th versus February 2024.

02:33:01.000 Yeah, they can only count them, I guess, when they actually stop them.

02:33:04.000 Right. That's a big number.

02:33:07.000 94% is good.

02:33:08.000 So there's still people coming through.

02:33:10.000 Yeah. And there's probably still people coming through that are criminals.

02:33:12.000 Yeah. But the thing is, you've got to get scared that people who are not criminals are getting lassoed up and deported and sent to...

02:33:25.000 El Salvador prisons like that kind of shit because I'm I read some story.

02:33:29.000 It was a Glenn Greenwald Yeah, yeah, the gay barber guy.

02:33:32.000 Yeah, yeah, it's it's scary man.

02:33:34.000 Is that true?

02:33:35.000 Is that story accurate?

02:33:36.000 I don't think we know explain the story for people that don't know well from what I read I think it was in Time magazine Jamie if you can pull it up and maybe we can get it accurate but basically With a bunch of these trend our Agua guys Allegedly they got one guy who at least one guy who wasn't a criminal Who was just a gay barber who I think, according to the story, came here legally.

02:33:58.000 He was here legally.

02:33:59.000 That's what they said.

02:34:00.000 So do you have a green card?

02:34:02.000 I don't know what the details are.

02:34:03.000 Maybe Jamie can find it.

02:34:04.000 No criminal record.

02:34:05.000 From what it said in that story.

02:34:07.000 Now, this is the problem, right?

02:34:08.000 Because the mainstream media has been putting out so much shit that I don't know what to believe anymore, right?

02:34:12.000 I feel the same way.

02:34:13.000 And so it's difficult.

02:34:15.000 But it's something that we actually brought up in one of our conversations.

02:34:18.000 We interviewed the guy from the Heritage Foundation.

02:34:19.000 We brought this up.

02:34:21.000 Because I think we talked about this with Doge as well.

02:34:23.000 When you do things quickly and you do things aggressively, that's how you get shit done.

02:34:28.000 But that's also when mistakes get made.

02:34:30.000 And I think a human being being plucked out of nowhere and ending up in a country he's never been in, in a maximum security prison with gang members, seems like a bad thing to happen to me.

02:34:41.000 It's horrific.

02:34:42.000 It's horrific.

02:34:43.000 I don't think that should be controversial.

02:34:44.000 No, that's not controversial at all.

02:34:46.000 And this is the thing, you know, measure twice, cut once.

02:34:50.000 This is the, like, this is kind of...

02:34:52.000 Crazy. That that could be possible.

02:34:54.000 That's horrific.

02:34:55.000 And that's, again, that's bad for the cause.

02:34:57.000 Like the cause is let's get the gang members out.

02:34:59.000 Everybody agrees.

02:35:00.000 But what's not innocent gay hairdressers get lumped up with the gangs?

02:35:04.000 And then like how long before that guy can get out?

02:35:06.000 Can we figure out how to get him out?

02:35:08.000 Is there any plan in place to alert the authorities that they've made a horrible mistake and correct it?

02:35:14.000 Well, if you think about it from a government perspective, and this is where I think it gets quite sinister, is once you've done that.

02:35:20.000 The incentive structure is never going to be to admit that and deal with it.

02:35:24.000 The incentive structure is to say nothing, to cover it up, to pretend it didn't happen.

02:35:28.000 That is horrible.

02:35:29.000 So someone ends up in a black hole, but we've seen it.

02:35:31.000 Like, we've seen it in every country, including in America.

02:35:35.000 But that's the thing about politics, right?

02:35:36.000 Never admit your fault.

02:35:37.000 Never admit you're wrong.

02:35:39.000 It's so dumb.

02:35:39.000 And this is the thing we're seeing with the signal thing, and this is the thing we're seeing with this.

02:35:43.000 It's like, I don't know if it's been brought to their attention.

02:35:45.000 I mean, I would assume someone's alerted them to the fact that they might have rounded up this just random hairdresser and accused him of being a gang member.

02:35:56.000 Did you find a story, Jamie?

02:35:58.000 Time magazine.

02:35:59.000 The thing is, it's like...

02:36:01.000 What steps can be taken?

02:36:03.000 Does prison know now?

02:36:05.000 Can they talk to that guy?

02:36:07.000 Can they pull him out of there?

02:36:08.000 Well, this is it.

02:36:09.000 It's a maximum security prison.

02:36:11.000 So the answer, I think, is we don't know at this moment.

02:36:14.000 But what is his life like in there, man?

02:36:17.000 Yeah, it's horrific.

02:36:19.000 But this is also...

02:36:21.000 A large part of why this happened is because of illegal immigration.

02:36:25.000 So you had this...

02:36:26.000 And look, I'm half Venezuelan.

02:36:27.000 You had Tren de Aragua, which causes chaos in Venezuela.

02:36:30.000 It comes to the US.

02:36:32.000 It causes horrendous amounts of chaos in the US.

02:36:36.000 And that's awful.

02:36:37.000 But also as well is an ordinary, decent, hard work in Venezuela.

02:36:41.000 And so all they want to do, their entire country has gone to shit.

02:36:44.000 Who have come here legally, they just want to work.

02:36:47.000 They want to get ahead.

02:36:48.000 They have jobs.

02:36:49.000 They just have got families.

02:36:50.000 They're trying to make ends meet.

02:36:51.000 And all of a sudden, all you hear is Venezuelan does this.

02:36:54.000 Venezuelan does that.

02:36:57.000 You know, it tars all of us with that brush.

02:37:01.000 I was walking in New York and I saw this group of this Venezuelan family and they were there begging for money and for whatever else.

02:37:09.000 And maybe it just hits harder because, you know, they're from where I'm from or where my mum's from.

02:37:14.000 And you just go, it just tarnishes all of us with the same brush.

02:37:18.000 When the reality is, like we were saying before, most of them are just good, decent, hardworking people.

02:37:24.000 But because you don't...

02:37:26.000 You can't have checks and balances in place.

02:37:27.000 Because you're not letting people, you're not vetting people, you're getting the worst of society, and the worst of society gives everybody else a bad name.

02:37:36.000 Gives everybody a bad name, but also you have to wonder why that's being tolerated.

02:37:41.000 Is that being done on purpose?

02:37:42.000 Do you want more crime and more civil unrest?

02:37:45.000 Is this part of your goal?

02:37:47.000 Why else would you do this?

02:37:49.000 Why do you want to disrupt society in this way and allow this to take place, allow the possibility of some sort of a gang attack or anything horrible to happen?

02:37:58.000 What is this, Janie?

02:37:58.000 Oh, this is it?

02:37:59.000 There's one in Forbes as well, Janie.

02:38:01.000 This is from Time Magazine.

02:38:02.000 A photojournalist was on hand in El Salvador as prison guards beat a man who is likely to be Andy, a gay Venezuelan barber makeup artist who is seemingly falsely accused of being a gang member and rendition by the Trump administration with literally no due process.

02:38:19.000 So, do they have a photograph that looks like this guy?

02:38:22.000 A young man sobbed when a guard pushed him to the floor.

02:38:25.000 He said, I'm not a gang member.

02:38:26.000 I'm gay.

02:38:27.000 I'm a barber.

02:38:28.000 I believed him.

02:38:30.000 He began to whimper as his head was roughly shaved, folding his hands in prayer as his hair fell.

02:38:36.000 He asked for his mother and cried as he was slapped again.

02:38:40.000 Jesus Christ.

02:38:42.000 I sent you the Forbes story, John.

02:38:44.000 If you can forward it to Jamie, maybe he can pull it up.

02:38:49.000 Fuck, man.

02:38:50.000 I don't know.

02:38:51.000 Did Glenn Greenwald write it for sure?

02:38:52.000 Glenn commented on it, but there is a Forbes story that I sent you.

02:38:56.000 I found out about it from Glenn.

02:38:57.000 Yeah. It's just, you know, it's awful that, you know, because you put yourself in that person's shoes.

02:39:07.000 Yeah. What's terrifying about that is that you think about what that poor guy is going through.

02:39:14.000 If this story is real, what that guy is going through, that is literally the stuff of nightmares.

02:39:20.000 That's literally the stuff of nightmares.

02:39:22.000 You have no recourse to any type of justice.

02:39:26.000 There's no due process.

02:39:29.000 You get rounded up.

02:39:30.000 You then get kicked out of the country.

02:39:32.000 You're in a maximum security prison with some of the most vicious gang members.

02:39:38.000 What to know about Andrew, 31-year-old makeup artist, falsely deported to El Salvador prison, lawyer says.

02:39:45.000 Immigration attorney, say a gay Venezuelan makeup artist seeking asylum in the U.S., was wrongly detained as a gang member and deported to El Salvador, a case becoming a flashpoint in the debate over the Trump administration's deportation of hundreds of migrants to a notoriously inhumane El Salvador megaprison.

02:40:06.000 So, again, it's hard to know.

02:40:09.000 Yeah, it's hard to know.

02:40:10.000 What's real and what's not real.

02:40:11.000 But if it is real, this is fucking horrible.

02:40:13.000 But if you think about it, Joe, like I say, if you're rounding up hundreds of people, mistakes are going to get made because everyone's human.

02:40:19.000 And you then have to have a system, I think, that allows you to amend and make adjustments for that.

02:40:26.000 Yeah, absolutely.

02:40:27.000 And it can't be bury your head in the sand and pretend it didn't happen.

02:40:30.000 No. Yeah.

02:40:31.000 And this is the trouble with government.

02:40:33.000 The incentive structure is all wrong.

02:40:34.000 Like, to admit that is now embarrassing.

02:40:37.000 That's crazy.

02:40:38.000 Right? And it's scary.

02:40:40.000 We have the same problem in the UK in terms of the illegal immigration.

02:40:43.000 And if we ever get a government that's going to deal with that, we're also going to have to remove a lot of people who are there illegally.

02:40:49.000 They shouldn't be there.

02:40:50.000 A lot of them are.

02:40:51.000 And like I said, we had a report that shows...

02:40:53.000 They're way more likely to commit sexual crimes, way more likely to commit violent crimes, way more likely to commit all sorts of crimes.

02:41:00.000 We are going to have to remove them, but you have to do it in a way where there's due process.

02:41:04.000 Are they trying to remove them in England?

02:41:06.000 No. At all?

02:41:08.000 They're saying they are, but they're not removing them.

02:41:11.000 Interesting. Yeah.

02:41:12.000 So the mistakes like that have to be corrected if you want reasonable people to be on board with you.

02:41:17.000 Correct. Yeah.

02:41:18.000 Correct. If you want...

02:41:20.000 You know, compassionate people to be on board with you.

02:41:22.000 You can't deport gay hairdressers seeking asylum.

02:41:24.000 That's fucking crazy.

02:41:25.000 And then throw them in an El Salvador prison.

02:41:27.000 That's not even his country.

02:41:29.000 Right. You deport people back to their country.

02:41:31.000 Right. It's nuts.

02:41:33.000 It's just...

02:41:34.000 What was the story with the student that got arrested for writing an op-ed piece?

02:41:40.000 Is that the Khalil guy?

02:41:42.000 No, the woman.

02:41:44.000 Is that the Korean girl from Columbia University?

02:41:48.000 I don't know.

02:41:49.000 No, that's a different one.

02:41:51.000 There was a woman who got arrested for writing some sort of a thing.

02:41:56.000 This is a Turkish student at Tufts University.

02:41:58.000 Latest Palestinian supporter swept up in U.S. crackdown.

02:42:02.000 What did she get arrested for?

02:42:06.000 Have you seen this one?

02:42:07.000 No. I saw it, but I haven't.

02:42:09.000 Delved into it.

02:42:12.000 Joe, sorry, could I have the lighter, please?

02:42:13.000 Yeah, sure.

02:42:14.000 Thank you.

02:42:15.000 She engaged in activities in support of Hamas, a foreign terrorist organization that relishes the killing of Americans.

02:42:21.000 But the department did not provide evidence of that support.

02:42:23.000 Right. What does that mean?

02:42:25.000 I heard she wrote some piece on Israel.

02:42:30.000 Yeah. I don't know what the law of that is, because she's not an American national.

02:42:35.000 Right. But instinctively, I'm just like, that's...

02:42:38.000 That's a lot.

02:42:39.000 That's like crazy.

02:42:40.000 I think she's been in America, though, since she was seven.

02:42:42.000 Right. Has she?

02:42:46.000 I believe so.

02:42:46.000 I thought she had a student visa.

02:42:48.000 I think she's been in America since she was very young.

02:42:51.000 I think that's one of the things that I had read.

02:42:52.000 Okay. She'd previously been arrested in April 2024 for taking part.

02:43:00.000 Taking part in protests at Columbia University.

02:43:02.000 So it seems like they're really trying to crack down at some of these Columbia protests, right?

02:43:07.000 And I'm in two minds about that because I think on a free speech basis, unless I don't know the law.

02:43:11.000 Just for clarity, that was a second person.

02:43:13.000 Second person.

02:43:13.000 Oh, this is a second person that was arrested?

02:43:16.000 Second arrest.

02:43:16.000 Oh, second pro-Palestinian Columbia University protester.

02:43:19.000 Okay, so this second person has been arrested before.

02:43:22.000 Yeah. Okay.

02:43:23.000 I see.

02:43:25.000 Yeah. Yeah.

02:43:27.000 It's like, are we really arresting people for protesting?

02:43:29.000 Or are they protesting and also causing vandalism and violence?

02:43:34.000 Like, what are we saying?

02:43:35.000 We don't know.

02:43:36.000 Right. But I think there's – the legal thing from what I've read is very complicated because if someone is not a U.S. national, they may be subject to different rules or they may not.

02:43:47.000 I think that's a kind of live debate.

02:43:49.000 But from a purely principal's perspective, someone being arrested for writing an article seems extreme.

02:43:55.000 30-year-old was arrested and physically restrained by immigration officers near her apartment close to Tufts University's Somerville campus where she was a Ph.D.

02:44:02.000 student. Six plainclothes officers surrounded.

02:44:06.000 How do you say that name?

02:44:07.000 Ozturk? Ozturk.

02:44:08.000 Ozturk. As she walked alone, neighborhood surveillance video appears to show the officers did not show their badges until she was restrained, the video shows.

02:44:17.000 She affiliated with prestigious American universities to be arrested for purported activities related to terrorist organizations amid the Trump administration's immigration crackdown.

02:44:27.000 So what did she say, though?

02:44:29.000 She engaged in activities in support of Hamas.

02:44:32.000 But what does that mean?

02:44:33.000 Right. Without specifying what those alleged activities were.

02:44:37.000 Yeah, this is scary shit.

02:44:38.000 Yeah. You know, especially if it's just protesting.

02:44:41.000 I mean, I don't know, you know.

02:44:44.000 Look, the counter argument on this, and I think it's one that I, as someone who visits the United States, also feel is like, I don't think the United States would have given this person a visa if she had told them this is what she plans to do in America.

02:44:58.000 Right? So that's their argument.

02:45:00.000 That's the argument Marco Rubio is making, which is, if we'd known you were going to do this, we were never going to give you a visa.

02:45:07.000 Right. I don't think this is the one that I'm thinking about that was here since she was seven.

02:45:10.000 No, that's a Korean girl at Columbia University, Joe.

02:45:13.000 Oh, okay.

02:45:14.000 And they're talking about deporting her, right?

02:45:15.000 Yes, they're talking about deporting her, but I don't know enough about that.

02:45:19.000 And what had she done?

02:45:19.000 Had she committed vandalism?

02:45:21.000 I don't know enough about it.

02:45:23.000 Jamie, if you get it up, then we can have a look at it.

02:45:26.000 But that's the one you're thinking of.

02:45:28.000 The girl who's been here since she was seven is a Columbia student.

02:45:32.000 This girl also went to Columbia.

02:45:33.000 So she's got a master's degree at Columbia.

02:45:35.000 Yeah. Interesting.

02:45:38.000 So Columbia is the hotbed.

02:45:39.000 Seems like that.

02:45:40.000 Yeah. I wonder why.

02:45:44.000 Why particularly Columbia?

02:45:45.000 Well, there have been a lot of protests, pro-Palestine protests in Columbia.

02:45:50.000 There she is.

02:45:51.000 Yeah, that's the goal.

02:45:56.000 You know, we're rapidly approaching the time where America and the UK is going to have a pretty uncomfortable debate as to what is acceptable and what is unacceptable when it comes to dealing with people who come here illegally, people who commit...

02:46:16.000 Crime or even if they attend protests, where is the line?

02:46:21.000 Because we're going to have to make a decision.

02:46:23.000 Because until we do that and we start to actually apply the law as it's meant to be applied and put certain laws in place, then these type of things are just going to continue to happen.

02:46:33.000 100%, especially if someone wants them to happen.

02:46:35.000 Because that's my fear, is that a lot of these things are paid for and organized, including a lot of these protests at universities.

02:46:43.000 I think they're doing it on purpose.

02:46:45.000 And I think they're trying to build up a lot of passion in these people for being disruptive and a lot of passion for protest and passion for...

02:46:55.000 And then they weaponize it.

02:46:56.000 I really do.

02:46:58.000 I believe that's exactly what they did with the Tesla buildings.

02:47:01.000 With all the Tesla dealerships being light on fire, they weaponized it.

02:47:04.000 And it's a good test run.

02:47:06.000 You know, if they can weaponize it against Tesla, they can do that with a lot of other things to justify that kind of vandalism and fire and arson and all the chaos and property destruction.

02:47:17.000 I went to UCLA campus.

02:47:19.000 This was May last year.

02:47:20.000 And I went to a pro-Palestine demonstration.

02:47:23.000 And I just...

02:47:24.000 Went around just interviewing people, talking to students, and both on pro-Palestine and the other side.

02:47:30.000 And one thing one of the kids said to me was, as he was trying to get into the library, he was like, you know, most of the people who are doing this, they're not from UCLA.

02:47:40.000 They're not from this college campus.

02:47:42.000 What are they doing here?

02:47:43.000 He goes, look, fair enough, if you want to protest and you go to UCLA, that's all cool, whatever.

02:47:49.000 Number one, don't stop me from getting an education when my parents have paid X amount for it.

02:47:53.000 But number two, he pointed at one of the dudes.

02:47:56.000 He was like, that guy's about 42. I know he doesn't go to my college.

02:48:00.000 Why is he here protesting?

02:48:03.000 He's being paid.

02:48:04.000 Yeah, and you're right.

02:48:05.000 And there are a lot of foreign governments that want this shit to be going on.

02:48:09.000 100%. And there's a lot of bots online that want this to be.

02:48:13.000 There's a lot of momentum that pushes things into these directions.

02:48:18.000 These are not organic.

02:48:19.000 Just like Bernie Sanders rally numbers aren't organic.

02:48:22.000 Like, these are not organic.

02:48:24.000 I mean, that was during the Kamala Harris administration or during the campaign, rather.

02:48:29.000 You saw these inorganic moments where they filled these arenas with people that were paid.

02:48:37.000 And they spent how many billion?

02:48:40.000 Two billion dollars over the course of three months to do this and it failed?

02:48:44.000 But it's like you're manufacturing this.

02:48:49.000 This passion, manufacturing this movement.

02:48:52.000 And a lot of people are dumb and it works on them.

02:48:56.000 I'm sure you saw that lady who was bragging about buying champagne and making fun of the guy selling her the champagne because he wasted his vote on Trump.

02:49:04.000 And I'm buying champagne to toast Madame President.

02:49:08.000 She's going to win!

02:49:10.000 Women have come to the...

02:49:11.000 She really believed it.

02:49:12.000 Because they gaslit people so hard with their filled arenas and all the news coverage on CNN and MSNBC.

02:49:19.000 And the polls are showing.

02:49:20.000 The polls are showing.

02:49:21.000 And it's going to be...

02:49:22.000 Kamala Harris is going to be...

02:49:23.000 And they just gaslit the whole country.

02:49:27.000 And this is what happened with all that woke cancellation stuff as well, where it was a very small number of people who made themselves look a lot bigger online.

02:49:34.000 Right. In order to then get companies to back down, to get...

02:49:38.000 Universities to back down in order to get other organizations who were just scared of the bad attention to back down.

02:49:46.000 I look at a lot of stuff that happens on social media.

02:49:49.000 I'm going, there's no fucking way that has got 80,000 likes organically.

02:49:53.000 That's not real.

02:49:56.000 It's hard to say what's real and what's not real.

02:49:58.000 And until you take that chip in your head, you're not going to know.

02:50:00.000 That's why you need to sign up for the Neuralink program.

02:50:06.000 It's one of the things that I'm really hopeful that Elon can solve with X. That was one of the things he said when he took over.

02:50:12.000 We need to deal with the bot problem.

02:50:14.000 I think there's more to do on that front, for sure.

02:50:16.000 Oh, there's a lot more to do, and I don't know what they can actually do.

02:50:19.000 Because with AI...

02:50:21.000 I mean, you can have, like, really sophisticated programs that tweet as if they are from Afghanistan, tweet as if they're from wherever they are in the world.

02:50:31.000 They can do it in different languages.

02:50:33.000 It can all be done with AI now, and they can argue specific points.

02:50:37.000 Like, you know, this guy is a Nazi.

02:50:39.000 Go out there and say it and prompt it.

02:50:41.000 And then all of a sudden, you've got what looks like groundswell of support calling Elon Musk a Nazi.

02:50:46.000 And then a bunch of people hop onto that.

02:50:48.000 And they think it's organic.

02:50:49.000 And they think that these people are fed up.

02:50:51.000 That's why they're going to the Tesla dealerships.

02:50:53.000 No, they're being paid.

02:50:54.000 And they're trying to crash the stock of Tesla.

02:50:57.000 They're trying to put people into panic mode so that it puts pressure on Elon to drop Doge.

02:51:02.000 This is what's going on.

02:51:03.000 And you're watching it as if it's this organic moment.

02:51:06.000 It's a puppet show.

02:51:07.000 You're watching a puppet show.

02:51:10.000 And that's the thing that really worries.

02:51:13.000 I think everybody at the moment is...

02:51:15.000 At a very basic fundamental level, I don't know what's real and what's not.

02:51:21.000 No, I don't either.

02:51:24.000 I wish I did, because people think I do.

02:51:26.000 Like, oh, you have inside information.

02:51:27.000 I don't have any.

02:51:29.000 I have zero.

02:51:30.000 I don't know what's going on.

02:51:32.000 But people, I think we all need to understand, you to a greater extent, us to a lesser extent.

02:51:39.000 We're not real people to people online.

02:51:42.000 We're just avatars.

02:51:43.000 Right. And then they imbue us with this knowledge that we've got this knowledge that we can see things.

02:51:49.000 You're controlled opposition.

02:51:50.000 Oh, we're so that.

02:51:52.000 We get that so much.

02:51:53.000 It's hilarious.

02:51:54.000 That is the – that's where people that are just a little too smart to believe the earth is flat.

02:51:59.000 They'll go with controlled opposition.

02:52:01.000 But it's just they just don't know.

02:52:03.000 Like, if you're on the outside looking in, like, if you're looking at Tom Hanks in his house, I must be a pedophile to get that house.

02:52:10.000 You know what I mean?

02:52:11.000 Like, everybody on the outside of, like, people that are...

02:52:16.000 Well, the guy like Tom Hanks is essentially like a kind of royalty, like a movie star royalty, like that class of celebrity is like almost beyond – and so they don't seem like normal people to you.

02:52:28.000 They go to that Eyes Wide Shut party and drink baby blood and like there's all these bizarre things attributed to those people and they're in control of the narrative and they're – but there's some – People that really are in control of the narrative.

02:52:40.000 There's some people that really are like CIA agents that are on TV shows.

02:52:44.000 You know, that's real.

02:52:46.000 There's like people that have worked for the CIA that are now on television telling you what the news is.

02:52:51.000 If that doesn't seem fucking crazy, you know, it's just we're going through a bizarre period of being.

02:53:03.000 We're bombarded with constant information, having unprecedented access to each other and information, and also watching all the powers that be try to snatch up more and more control over society.

02:53:17.000 We're watching it play out in real time.

02:53:19.000 And we're concentrating on girls in sports and whether or not this is real.

02:53:25.000 Should gay people still be able to get married?

02:53:26.000 It's all bullshit.

02:53:27.000 You're just watching more and more power be Acquired by the people with the most amount of money.

02:53:36.000 Yeah, and that's why people like Jeff Bezos buy with the Washington Post.

02:53:41.000 Well, at least he turned it around and said lately that they're going to have to stop with all these left-wing opinion pieces and just post about the news.

02:53:49.000 Yeah. You know, which everybody's freaking out because they really think they have like a mandate to be like the moral voice of the world, which is so hilarious.

02:53:59.000 I agree with you.

02:54:00.000 That is good.

02:54:00.000 But do you think any journalist is going to be allowed to write a piece about Amazon criticizing them?

02:54:05.000 I doubt it.

02:54:06.000 I wouldn't do it.

02:54:07.000 If I worked there, I'd shut my fucking mouth.

02:54:09.000 I want to buy a house.

02:54:11.000 Try to buy a house.

02:54:12.000 Yeah. I can't lose it.

02:54:14.000 I get it.

02:54:14.000 Yeah, they should get more money.

02:54:15.000 Whatever. And that comes back to our Lord of the Rings conversation because even well-intentioned people who are doing things that we might like, everyone's got an agenda.

02:54:24.000 Well, and so AI comes along and equally distributes all the money.

02:54:31.000 Boys, let's wrap this up.

02:54:33.000 I appreciate you both very much.

02:54:34.000 It's always cool to talk to you.

02:54:35.000 I'm happy you visit often, and I'm glad you're having a good time over here, and I hope you get your fucking shit together with your country, because, come on.

02:54:42.000 Joe, can I just say one thing?

02:54:44.000 Yes. I've got a book out in August.

02:54:47.000 It's called Classroom Confidential.

02:54:49.000 It's in August it's coming out?

02:54:50.000 Yeah, August the 18th.

02:54:52.000 Have you finished it?

02:54:52.000 I've finished it, yeah.

02:54:53.000 It takes that long to release a book?

02:54:55.000 Yeah, it does.

02:54:56.000 It does.

02:54:56.000 Particularly the printing industry in the UK.

02:55:00.000 Yeah. But yeah, so it's coming out.

02:55:02.000 It's all about being a teacher and why you should never be one.

02:55:04.000 And it's very funny.

02:55:05.000 Beautiful. Very funny.

02:55:07.000 We'll come back when it comes out.

02:55:09.000 We'll come back.

02:55:09.000 We'll talk again.

02:55:10.000 I'd love to.

02:55:11.000 Your show, Trigonometry, it's available everywhere.

02:55:13.000 Anything else?

02:55:15.000 We've both got sub-stacks.

02:55:16.000 Yep. I've got a sub-stack.

02:55:17.000 He's got a sub-stack.

02:55:18.000 Look at you guys.

02:55:20.000 Fucking writing and shit.

02:55:23.000 And your show is how many times a week do you guys do it?

02:55:26.000 We put two episodes out every week.

02:55:27.000 So Wednesdays and Sundays is interviews.

02:55:30.000 Do you do like Substacks episodes, like different ones or Patreon or anything like that?

02:55:34.000 So yeah, on our Substack, on the Trigonometry Substack, you get to hear the guest answer your questions.

02:55:39.000 So people send in questions ahead of time.

02:55:41.000 Oh, that's cool.

02:55:42.000 Oh, that's nice.

02:55:43.000 Yeah. People love that.

02:55:44.000 That's a great idea.

02:55:45.000 That's a good way to add extra value.

02:55:47.000 Yeah. That's what we're always thinking about is how do we offer people who support us extra value?

02:55:52.000 Unlike the people on the internet who say we're controlled opposition, paid by blah, blah, blah.

02:55:56.000 We're actually just paid by our fans.

02:55:58.000 That's actually a very good idea, though, to let the fans actually have questions, too.

02:56:02.000 Yeah. Find the good ones.

02:56:03.000 A lot of them are good ones.

02:56:04.000 And what we often do as well is we look through them before the interview, and if we can't get them in at the end, we'll actually try and incorporate them into the discussion itself.

02:56:12.000 Oh, beautiful.

02:56:13.000 Yeah. Okay.

02:56:14.000 Appreciate you both very much, always.

02:56:16.000 Thanks, brother.

02:56:16.000 Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience - March 29, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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