This week on the pod, the brother and sister duo of the are joined by comedian and podcaster Joe Rogan to discuss the latest viral video of a woman who blacked out on stage while making a joke about vaccines.
00:04:51.000I really thought you were going to go somewhere else.
00:04:53.000When you said deep, I went, this is going somewhere else.
00:04:57.000These deep state vampires as hot as Nancy Pelosi used to be.
00:05:01.000Deep state vampire, no disrespect, Mr. Pelosi.
00:05:04.000They've been around in the system forever.
00:05:08.000Like the relationships that those people make and the control that they establish and the Rolodex and I got shit on Lindsey and Lindsey's got shit on this guy and it's like, Jesus.
00:05:24.000It's the dirtiest business in the world.
00:05:26.000You know what I think now, that when I look at politics, and you look at wrestling, and I remember criticizing people who watch soap operas.
00:05:35.000I remember just going, oh, they're so dumb.
00:05:37.000And I remember my ex going to me, she went, Francis, you like soccer.
00:06:39.000I know you find that shocking, Joe, but in England, in Britain, that is, like, run-of-the-mill.
00:06:44.000So, in the 70s and 80s, each football team, and to some extent now, they had their own what's called a firm, which are these hooligans whose only thing...
00:06:53.000They didn't really give a shit about the football, the soccer.
00:06:55.000They would get together with the supporters of the firms of...
00:06:58.000Other teams to have fights in the car park outside the stadium.
00:07:03.000And they would travel all around the country doing that.
00:07:06.000It's one thing I love about American sports.
00:07:08.000You can go to the game with your kids and not worry about the stuff that people are going to be screaming and shouting and all that violence.
00:07:15.000You are a lot more chilled out than we are in Europe about that stuff, believe it or not.
00:07:21.000But any group like that, like soccer, traveling group, you're going to attract some fucking psychos that hop along.
00:07:28.000It's like when the Grateful Dead go on tour.
00:07:30.000I bet they're not specifically asking.
00:07:32.000If you're like a psycho cult leader And you want to pick up some people.
00:07:45.000You're going to go to a place where everyone's on acid.
00:07:47.000You're going to go to a Phish concert and explain to them, you know, you guys, I know you're in between apartments right now.
00:07:53.000We have an amazing community and everyone's accepted.
00:07:56.000And next thing you know, you're in a cult.
00:07:57.000Yeah. Next thing you know, next thing you know, you're doing acid with this fucking weirdo and, you know, he's in the lotus position and you're all pretending that this is normal.
00:08:07.000But you know what's really interesting about soccer is that that hooligan element, that's not just in the UK.
00:08:12.000That's right the way through Europe and in South America.
00:08:19.000Rugby is kind of different because football with the hooligan element.
00:08:23.000So in Italian soccer, for example, they have what the hooligans are called the ultras.
00:08:29.000And they're so powerful that if the team is playing badly...
00:08:33.000Then what the captain has to do, he then gets, in some instances, the ultras have blockaded the stadium, refused that the players leave, and the captain is then demanded to go and have a meeting with the head ultra.
00:08:53.000The kind of pressure while you're playing a world-class soccer match.
00:08:57.000Yeah, so then this kid, and let's be fair, he's a kid in his mid to late 20s probably, then has to go out and have a meeting with this 40-year-old tattooed psycho and then explain to him exactly why the team is underperforming.
00:09:12.000Wow. That's basically what professional sports is, especially soccer.
00:09:16.000It's like you're trying to do your best in front of 50,000 people who are all screaming that you're a cunt.
00:11:07.000So it may not have been Curtis, but it was someone of that ilk.
00:11:10.000He was a middleweight champion, but he wasn't European or world, but he was a British middleweight champion, which is still a huge achievement.
00:13:02.000Things that could ruin your entire life when you're 15. Maybe there should be that.
00:13:06.000Maybe it should be like all kids internet until they're 21. Everything they post disappears in 15 seconds and you can't take a screenshot of it.
00:13:37.000Spoiler alert, so if you don't want to just tune out, but it's basically about a 13-year-old kid who is getting bullied by a girl at school.
00:13:47.000She calls him an incel or whatever, and he goes and stabs her and kills her.
00:14:58.000And, you know, that was also, like, super problematic because he highlights the differences between male psychology and female psychology.
00:15:04.000And people want to deny that that's a thing.
00:15:07.000So, like, okay, well, okay, with respect to trans people...
00:15:11.000You know, use whatever pronoun you like, change your name, but are we allowed to talk about the inherent differences between males and females that we've observed?
00:15:20.000Or are we supposed to ignore data and statistics in reality?
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00:18:04.000So there's one side that's just, like, radicalized in the worst way possible that's a huge detriment to the Democratic Party because it makes everyone look like a psycho.
00:18:15.000If you have a psycho in your groups, like, if you have, like, a white nationalist, you know, Christian fundamentalist burning down black churches in your— and he says, I'm a part of the right as a right-wing conservative.
00:18:30.000Totally. All the people that don't want trans kids competing with their kids in school and they don't want gender ideology being taught in class.
00:18:35.000All those people who are just rational, normal liberals that have voted Democrat their whole life.
00:18:56.000Because right now they lost to Trump and they're in this scattered thing where they're trying to shit on everything he does, hide all the good stuff.
00:19:50.000This is a giant special interest story that would grab so many headlines and it would have so much ratings because everybody wants to see it.
00:19:58.000Oh my god, they're going to get the astronauts.
00:20:00.000You'd be sitting on your couch with your family.
00:20:06.000Well, the hope is, man, the reality is the best teacher, right?
00:20:10.000So the Democrat brand is so destroyed now, so toxic, that they're going to have to work something out, because if not, they're just going to keep losing.
00:20:17.000They're going to go with Bernie and AOC, and that's why they've been astroturfing all these giant arenas.
00:20:24.000They did an analysis of, find out if this is true, because I read this on X, and sometimes the community notes doesn't get there in time.
00:20:43.000But they also said that a huge number of these people had been to 20-plus events and a lot of other different, like, progressive events.
00:20:54.000And it seems like, at least in some of them, for sure, they were paying people.
00:20:59.000So they're giving people money to get on a bus, go to this place, here's your sign, go have fun.
00:21:06.000And so you're doing something different, right?
00:21:09.000You're pretending that these people are all coming out to see you.
00:21:12.000But they're coming out to see you because you're giving them money and free food.
00:21:15.000Right. And, you know, you're handing out water bottles and everybody gets a sign and everybody seems like they're kind of a part of a team.
00:21:21.000And for a lot of losers, a lot of people that don't have things going well in their life, and like, you know, I was a loser at many points in my life.
00:21:28.000If somebody called me up and said, Hey, man, you want to make 400 bucks and just go to this Kamala Harris rally?
00:23:31.000I'll hold the sign, I'll go to the rally, but if I was 21, they said, look, a thousand bucks, I want to protest against Tesla, I'd be like, hold on.
00:25:00.000And all the people that wanted to protest reasonably, all the people that wanted to express themselves and say, we stand together to say that this is wrong.
00:25:09.000Those people are all going to get hosed.
00:25:11.000Because you lit Starbucks on fire, you fucking idiot.
00:25:21.000They're running around experiencing freedom for the first time in their life for the last 16 months.
00:25:28.000This is their first freedom out of their parents' house.
00:25:30.000And they get caught up in shit, just like people get caught up in being in cults.
00:25:34.000People get caught up in all kinds of things.
00:25:37.000We just have to have more compassion for people and better mentorship.
00:25:41.000One of the real problems is that kids go to universities and almost universally they're given this ideology that this whole university and almost every university ascribes to.
00:26:23.000And you see it now as well, now that the right is in political power.
00:26:27.000A lot of the people who kind of made their bones challenging the excesses of the left, they're afraid to say anything about the right as well.
00:26:56.000I don't think the investigation has been done to say definitively, but I think the White House said, we're looking into this, but Tulsi, I think, said it was a mistake.
00:27:04.000I think Mike Waltz said it was a mistake.
00:28:30.000You know, we had an investigative journalist on the show, and we haven't released the episode yet, but as part of our after-the-show questions, he mentioned something, which is, he said, Going from memory here, so Francis, correct me, but basically that Signal had been installed on government devices under the previous administration.
00:28:48.000So it may be the case that that guy's number had been pre-installed during that time.
00:28:55.000And because of that, the mistake was then made to add him to the group.
00:29:00.000So, we don't know exactly what happened, but at the same time, what I'm saying is, like, the White House admitted it, and then they started having a go at the journalist.
00:29:09.000Like, that is not his fucking fault that you added him to the group, right?
00:30:26.000I think when people retire from, what is it where they have to retire where they have to write it down on paper and then it's stored in a vault?
00:30:41.000I love that press conference as well because it's like Bret Baier from Fox interviewing Elon and like seven other Aspie guys and they're all just rattling off numbers.
00:30:49.000It's 10,000 filing cabinets, 400,000 paper documents.
00:30:52.000But when you look at it, it basically hasn't changed since the 1950s.
00:30:55.000Yeah. I'm distracted by Bret Baier's hair.
00:33:16.000And the question is, what I don't understand is, look, I think it's very possible that when you move quickly, you're going to cancel some things that you might not want to cancel.
00:33:24.000Things are not going to go perfectly every time, whatever.
00:33:27.000But ultimately, the question all Western countries have to answer is, we're running debt at more than 100% of GDP, right?
00:33:50.000He's trying to cut the deficit in half and then the idea is you grow the economy and you actually get back to surplus.
00:33:55.000When he keeps finding all of these companies that are getting like a billion here and two billion there and all, like the Stacey Abrams one where they're going to give energy efficient...
00:37:08.000We've just got too many direct debits, and they're going all over the place.
00:37:11.000Well, it's that, but then there's the fear that they're putting out there, which is the just fear, that they're going to fuck up Social Security, and they're going to fuck up Medicaid, and there's people that are relying on that, and they're going to lose their service for no...
00:37:31.000Like, I know there's people that have complained that the Social Security website has been down, it's been down a couple times, but I don't know if people are not getting their benefits.
00:37:46.000It is inevitable that when you do things this quickly...
00:37:51.000But that's what everyone's afraid of, that the vulnerable people, the people that we should be protecting with these social programs that we all agree with.
00:37:58.000Those are the people we have to protect the most.
00:38:00.000We have to make sure that there's no disruptions.
00:38:02.000You've got to make sure before you do anything, there's no disruptions.
00:38:05.000Before you shoot the bad guy, make sure he's not holding a baby.
00:38:12.000When people are on Social Security, man, that's not a lot of money, right?
00:38:19.000And so you know they don't have any money in the bank probably.
00:38:21.000And they probably have it all budgeted out to get on that check.
00:39:02.000Okay, it just says threaten interruption of benefits, which is, look, what I would say if I was a Democrat.
00:39:07.000If I wanted to make it look bad, I would say they're threatening your benefits, and then people go into a hot panic.
00:39:13.000But you know, I remember when I was teaching, and I was teaching in schools that were super deprived, schools where the kids, a lot of them would come to school, they didn't have food in their bellies, etc, etc.
00:39:27.000And there's an agency in the UK called CAMHS, which is Child and Mental Health Services.
00:39:35.000And I remember that we had so many kids who had problems, psychological problems, particularly if you grow up.
00:39:43.000You know, you'd seen horrible stuff when you were a kid.
00:39:46.000You had, you know, maybe like a brother who got involved in gangs, he's now in prison, a father who was never there.
00:39:51.000There were so many kids who had this need and they had conditions which were undiagnosed, whether it's something like dyslexia or like your brother was murdered, you had some form of PTSD.
00:40:03.000And you had this, you know, this agency which brought counsellors in, Experts are dealing with kids.
00:40:13.000And I just remember because of austerity, this agency got cut after cut after cut after cut.
00:40:21.000And you're looking at it and you're going, I understand we need to cut.
00:40:25.000I understand we're running at a deficit.
00:40:28.000But there needs to be balance as well because when you're looking at those type of agencies, they're really important.
00:40:38.000If you invest that money and you're able to support those kids, they're far more likely when they leave school to be a healthy, happier member of society that's going to contribute tax pounds, sterling or tax dollars.
00:40:50.000Do you think it's a reasonable request to have something that does that?
00:40:56.000Something that helps feed poor kids, helps educate people, like genuinely helps communities all around the world?
00:42:17.000So you just think, just that money, how much of that money is fraud and waste?
00:42:21.000Yeah. How much of that money is really good?
00:42:23.000How much of that money, like, that should be separate from, at the very least, someone needs to go in an audit and go, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, Wells good giving these people arms because you want them to overthrow that government.
00:45:37.000And also, as well, you talk about more taxes, and that's going to piss people off, but it's not going to piss as many people off as if you fire great swathes of people, particularly those that may vote for you, because we know, for instance, with the Dems, that you're more likely to vote for them if you're a bureaucrat, if you work in government and all that.
00:47:49.000I just try to enjoy life as much as possible, and I try to put myself through a lot of voluntary adversity, so regular adversity is not that big of a deal.
00:47:57.000Was there a number that you got to and you were like, oh, I'm good now?
00:48:01.000No. I think it was the Fear Factor days.
00:48:07.000It just changed how I view everything because then I had like legitimate fuck you money You know that was like the first time I got fuck you money like I'm not doing shit and I just like decided to just concentrate on only doing my own thing after that and Like once you Brian Count said something really wise once he said once you can go to a restaurant and not have to worry about how much it costs Everything after that is bullshit Hmm.
00:48:33.000He's like, you just have to be comfortable.
00:48:37.000Like, if you just start thinking about the numbers and chasing the numbers, Brian has a friend who's worth $3 billion, and he feels poor when he hangs around with his friend who's worth $80 billion.
00:48:59.000Instead of, like, really trying to maximize your enjoyment of this experience, because it's a unique experience that only you are having.
00:49:07.000And you're interacting with so many bizarre and fascinating people, and there's so many bizarre and fascinating events that are happening in the world, and horrific events.
00:49:17.000And all of it is happening, and we're all seeing it together in real time, for the first time in human history.
00:49:22.000There's never been a time in the, unless with the Egyptians.
00:49:28.000I think they might have known a lot more than we think.
00:49:32.000But everybody else, this is the only time ever where we're sharing everything all the time.
00:49:38.000And there's a lot of confusion and a lot of, like, scattering, scammering for narratives and trying to, like, figure out what's right and what's wrong.
00:49:46.000But without, like, some sort of, like, moral and ethical guidelines of kindness and community.
00:49:59.000We are going to respect each other like we're a community.
00:50:02.000If we have differing beliefs on welfare or abortion or war or whatever it is, like, let's treat those like what they are, which is just ideas that we should be discussing based on their merits.
00:50:21.000Everybody wants to be happy and healthy and they want their family to be happy and healthy and they want to be able to make a living and enjoy their life.
00:50:29.000That's what everybody wants, universally.
00:50:32.000That should be what we discuss constantly.
00:50:35.000And all the other things should be things that we debate reasonably.
00:50:40.000And when people can't do that, you should lock them out of the conversation.
00:50:44.000You should say, like, no, you're crazy.
00:50:46.000You're calling him a retard and you're screaming about this and that and you're bringing up this from the past and this bill and that.
00:51:25.000Jordan Peterson or someone, and somebody hears like some nugget of truth, and then they're in their car, and they're like, fuck, he's right.
00:52:12.000I look at it through this lens as somebody who's got a very obsessive personality and I work a lot in order to kind of ameliorate that and make sure that it doesn't...
00:52:22.000Destroy my life and it doesn't go off the rails.
00:52:24.000But you see a lot of people and they just get addicted.
00:52:27.000And we talk about addiction in terms of alcohol or substances.
00:52:31.000You know, some people are addicted to outrage, to being in fights and arguments online or offline.
00:52:38.000Because if they're in an argument, they don't have to think about themselves.
00:52:42.000They don't have to think about who they really are.
00:52:44.000They don't actually have to question about their relationships.
00:52:47.000Why is it that every relationship I've ever had has failed?
00:53:35.000It's like, you know, when I'm angry and I'm pissed off, or if something doesn't go right, the victim mentality kicks in, and it's like, oh, it's their fault.
00:55:03.000If those are the values that you've been given by your family, if that's the system that you've been taught, the way to look at the world, it takes a very special human being to then get to adulthood and break out of it and completely reframe his brain.
00:56:09.000And if people are really kind and compassionate, They would say, how come we spend $24 billion a year on this whole aid thing, and we don't do shit to help these kids?
00:56:22.000We don't do shit for these neighborhoods that have been terrible for decades.
00:57:37.000If they were taught properly to all of those kids, it would give them all a better chance.
00:57:42.000That's not to say they would all become successful, but it would give them structure, discipline, and understanding of how do you advance in the world.
00:57:49.000If you can get Halliburton to get a no-bid contract to rebuild Iraq after we blow at the fucking smithereens...
00:57:58.000How come you can't give one of them companies a contract to, like, fix really terrible neighborhoods?
00:58:03.000Like, incentivize them financially based on the GDP of the neighborhood.
00:58:07.000If the GDP of the neighborhood goes up, and this is not gentrification, okay?
00:58:38.000She's gotta be 13. Let's not be unreasonable.
00:58:41.000I don't think it's good for kids, but I do think it would really help the adults.
00:58:45.000You know, I've got a friend of mine, a guy called Sam Clark, and he's doing wonderful things in the UK in primary school that he's teaching stoicism to kids in primary school.
00:58:58.000They're probably going to arrest him any day now.
00:59:01.000They'll be cracking down on him for being a toxic masculinist.
00:59:04.000We banned katana knives now, so we're safe.
00:59:08.000Well, not only that, they said it in what I would say is...
00:59:39.000There's a smaller one and there's a larger one.
00:59:41.000One's a katana and I forget what the other one's called.
00:59:43.000You know, I really do think a way out of this is because a lot of kids, if you're not talented at sports, if you're not musically or artistically gifted, and if you're not academically brilliant, if you're just one of the regular kids, you'll go, I'm not good at anything.
01:00:03.000But if you actually show kids and you go, look, you may not be the best at English, maths, history, whatever it is, but I'm going to teach you how to make something.
01:00:11.000I want to teach you how to make a table.
01:00:14.000I'm going to teach you how to be a carpenter.
01:00:16.000I'm going to teach you how to redecorate a room.
01:00:18.000I'm going to teach you all of these skills.
01:00:20.000Then kids will be like, you know what?
01:00:22.000I am worth something because I can create something of value to people.
01:00:26.000And that gives self-esteem because when kids join a gang, a lot of them, they haven't ever had a father.
01:00:32.000They've had nobody really show them any type of kind of male approval.
01:00:37.000But if you bring them in, you teach them skills.
01:00:41.000That would build self-esteem, and I guarantee you, for a lot of kids, there wouldn't be that need to go out and seek validation somewhere else.
01:02:06.000You know, there's more people that can do things that maybe robots can't do.
01:02:11.000And you better be ready, because all the simple, goofy jobs that you thought would always be there for you, the union dock worker jobs, like, those...
01:02:21.000Not that that's simple and goofy, but how about this?
01:02:33.000All the drivers, all those dudes listening to this podcast, driving 16-hour fucking trips across the country, drinking Mountain Dew and smelling their own farts.
01:05:10.000If you are allowing people to make robot dogs with machine guns on their back that you can't kick over, you're allowing people to do that and make them better and better and better every year.
01:05:19.000And then at the same time, you're making AI.
01:06:05.000It wants to survive in its most primitive form, which is like, it's not even sentient yet, allegedly, but it's already exhibiting survival instincts.
01:06:18.000You're gonna be arguing with it for your freedom.
01:06:42.000If things get real comfortable and we...
01:06:46.000We get comfortable with more and more restrictions to give us more and more safety and more and more government control to give us more and more safety.
01:06:52.000We're setting a bad precedent in motion for whoever the fuck gets in power, whether it's the left or the right.
01:06:59.000When Obama was in office and they passed the NDAA, you know what that is?
01:07:05.000They were allowed to detain you indefinitely.
01:08:23.000But the liquid thing, I mean, it's kind of legit, because if you have a water bottle filled with kerosene, You know, and you're gonna light it on fire and kill everybody on the plane.
01:08:44.000You gotta check their stuff because people are nuts and there's a precedent that's already been set.
01:08:49.000A lot of people are very uncreative and they just like to copy things that people have already done, you know, and this is why we have so many school shootings and this is why we have, you know, I bet they've stopped a few people trying to blow their shoes up.
01:09:02.000Do you know, we had an Oxford academic called Dr.
01:09:06.000Carissa Belis, and she said something really interesting.
01:09:37.000They just used it for data collection.
01:09:39.000But when the Nazis invaded, they then had a complete data set of how many Jewish people there were, where they lived.
01:09:51.000And so when it came to exterminating them and just rounding them up, it was so much easier.
01:09:56.000France never did that, which means Jewish people were much more able to hide and they could plan a way out or they could get hidden or whatever else in the way that they simply couldn't in Holland.
01:10:09.000Jesus. And when you hear that story from, I mean, 80 or so years ago now, it really does chill you.
01:11:24.000Like, we should all be talking about that when we're talking about politics.
01:11:27.000We should just be talking about the psychology of power and why it's so important to limit their ability to control you because they don't necessarily have you...
01:11:37.000Look, if false flags are real and we know they're real, we know they're real.
01:11:43.000So we know that without oversight, there are a certain percentage.
01:11:47.000I don't want to think it's everybody in government, but there's a certain percentage of people that are willing to do something to start a war.
01:12:39.000And these guys were bloodthirsty psychos that were running the government.
01:12:44.000It was a totally unavoidable war, and they wanted to start one.
01:12:48.000Yeah. And this is what I tell people time and time again.
01:12:53.000And look, it may sound weird, but what I saw happen in Venezuela, it was obviously awful and horrendous, but it was...
01:13:00.000A privilege as well because I saw another side of life that most people in the West never saw.
01:13:05.000I remember when family members were being arrested, talking to my cousins who were journalists who were going, I can't talk on the phone, Francis.
01:13:16.000One of my cousins literally had to flee for his life because he was criticizing the government.
01:13:21.000And then I saw people on the left, people like Jeremy Corbyn, celebrate Chavez's government.
01:13:29.000And you're going, oh my God, you're celebrating a government that is oppressing people, that is intimidating journalists, that is assaulting dissenters, that is putting people who criticize government in prison?
01:14:25.000But she said to me that she worked at the biggest newspaper in El Salvador, and then they had goons turn up who were just saying, you're publishing stories which are critical of Bukele.
01:14:49.000But it was made very, very clear to the senior editors, this needs to stop now, otherwise things are going to start getting a little bit unpleasant.
01:16:42.000If I was drunk, I would be like, fuck, my pool game's gonna fall apart.
01:16:46.000You get to a point where you're like, okay, I think I got the hang of this, and now you're out of office.
01:16:53.000You really, if you're a CEO, if you took over Verizon right now, CEO of Verizon, enormous cell phone network, you've got stores everywhere, new products coming, you'd have to get the lay of the land.
01:17:05.000It would take you a while to understand, how are we doing this?
01:18:41.000But what you're doing is you're assuming that it's only going to be able to be as powerful as we make it or as competent as we make it.
01:18:49.000Once it's sentient and once we give it the ability to make better versions of itself, it's going to eliminate all the stupid shit instantaneously.
01:19:01.000It'll come up with a solution that's probably going to be very uncomfortable for some wealthy people because it's probably going to just like evenly distribute resources on earth.
01:19:10.000And decide that, like, if human beings need to survive and function, you can't monopolize resources.
01:20:03.000And then we're going to redistribute a digital currency, and then everybody's going to have some, and this is going to be simple.
01:20:10.000Everything, including farming, is all gonna be automated.
01:20:14.000You're gonna get these fucking little piggies, their food, and your food is probably gonna be laced with some kind of, like, hormone nutrient that kills your testosterone, limits your ability to give birth, miscarriages are gonna go up, and then humans will just die out.
01:20:31.000They'll just feed us until we die out.
01:20:52.000I did that to him during the pandemic.
01:20:54.000So at the height of the pandemic, when things were looking pretty fucking dark, everything's getting shut down, you can't go out, you can't do this.
01:22:20.000Yeah. Well, that's the thing that scares me.
01:22:23.000We interviewed Andrew Schultz and then Charlemagne back-to-back, and they both made the same point, which is that a lot of people who are not doing well in society right now are really not doing well.
01:22:38.000And a lot, like, I think it was Andrew who made this point, that, you know, this whole free Luigi thing.
01:22:44.000It's one of the reasons that that got...
01:22:46.000You're looking at it on Twitter, and you're basically going, people are celebrating a guy who killed someone.
01:22:51.000But the point that he made is a lot of people feel like they're in a bad place, that they're being taken advantage of, that these corporate machines are taking advantage of them.
01:23:01.000And you look around, not everyone's doing well, man.
01:23:05.000No, well, especially in regards to healthcare.
01:23:07.000When you find out that you've been paying for this insurance, but this insurance is not going to cover you, and it decides to not cover you for some treatment that you really need.
01:23:15.000And then you find out that that company does way more of that than the other companies.
01:23:23.000And if you've lost loved ones or if you've had someone suffer in your family because they weren't covered or you went bankrupt, like medical bankruptcy, number one bankruptcy, number one reason in this country.
01:23:34.000And in the UK, we obviously have that publicly funded, but it becomes a system of rationing.
01:23:40.000So everyone gets treatment, but you might be waiting 20 weeks for a scan.
01:23:46.000Right. By the time you go from stage one to stage three.
01:23:49.000Right. And I don't know what the solution is.
01:23:52.000It seems like if there's one thing that we should do for everybody, it's healthcare.
01:23:57.000If there's one thing, I mean, I believe in the capitalist system, but I think that in regards to...
01:24:03.000Medicine. There should be some sort of exceptions.
01:24:06.000You should be able to get top-shelf healthcare as a human being living in America.
01:24:11.000If you break your leg, you shouldn't die.
01:24:14.000And it shouldn't cost you all your money for the rest of your life, which is really what it does.
01:24:18.000If you get hospitalized for a broken leg and you just paid for it out of your pocket and you're in the hospital for months and you have to have surgeries and screws and bolts put in, you're like, what does that cost?
01:24:29.000That's got to be a lot of fucking money.
01:25:55.000It'll be the best blowjob you've ever had in your fucking life and you will be madly in love with this woman and she'll be madly in love with you.
01:26:02.000And you're just gonna be like a sack of meat sitting on your couch with a bolt in the back of your head.
01:28:05.000And if you have experience shooting a rifle, and he does, and you've had coaching shooting a rifle, it's all about whether or not you can keep your shit together.
01:28:13.000Because you're going to be just fucking filled with adrenaline.
01:28:15.000I can't believe I want to shoot Trump.
01:29:57.000But when you start fucking taking, closing people's bank accounts because they donated to a truck or convoy and no one's up in arms about that, you can't let those people do that to you.
01:30:52.000And they continue to clamp down more and more, and they do it.
01:30:56.000Under these beautiful flags of diversity and inclusion and love and safety and safety and safety for this group and safety for them all the while they're just squeezing your neck and you don't even know they got their fucking arm under your chin and next thing you know you're just locked up!
01:31:33.000Wonderful. That's actually one of the interesting things that has happened in the UK because we were constantly being gaslit that like our entire establishment is entirely neutral.
01:31:49.000And then you see a lot of the BBC journalists.
01:31:52.000And Francis and I both have a lot of respect for the BBC because it used to be a great thing.
01:31:56.000It used to be real high-quality journalism.
01:32:00.000And then a lot of the people that have left a lot of these institutions, they start a podcast and suddenly go, okay, you're just a far-left activist.
01:35:12.000I think we are arrogant, but I think we're being manipulated.
01:35:15.000And I think we're being manipulated by markets, okay?
01:35:18.000And I think that when you have this whole green energy initiative and green energy and everything gets booked into green energy, there's a tremendous amount of money that's going to be spent.
01:35:29.000Tremendous. And anything that doesn't encourage this green energy, anything that's bad for your business, you're going to shit on, like meat, meat production.
01:35:38.000You're going to gaslight people about the impossible burgers or whatever.
01:35:42.000You're going to do whatever you can in the media, everywhere.
01:37:14.000This whole carbon footprint thing, where everybody's just talking about the carbon footprint.
01:37:18.000Like, there's more green on Earth right now than there's been in the last hundred years.
01:37:22.000Like, carbon is literally food for plants.
01:37:25.000So this idea of, like, eliminating all the carbon, this is crazy talk.
01:37:29.000You're talking about one particular element that is a part of why the Earth's temperature is what it is.
01:37:36.000And then you're not taking into account that giant fucking unpredictable ball of fire that's in the sky that's a million times bigger than Earth that's, like, shooting off flares.
01:37:49.000Have you ever seen one of those flares in relationship?
01:38:21.000I find most sinister about, look, I don't know where I stand with the climate debate and what's going on and whatever else, whether it's man-made, whether it's not.
01:39:11.000So regardless of whether or not it's affecting the temperature of the earth, we've done disgusting things to the rivers, disgusting things to the air.
01:39:19.000There's places in this world where if you live and you breathe their air, you will live less.
01:39:24.000You will die more often of respiratory diseases because you're breathing pollution and toxic fumes that are in the air.
01:41:46.000Yeah. And so we're destroying our own industry, basically.
01:41:49.000Did you see that they did this study on cargo ships and they found out that the temperature of the water went up when they made the cargo ships be more efficient and less polluting?
01:42:02.000What? So the cargo ships, because they're polluting the air, they're essentially creating haze as they...
01:46:27.000He's been released from detention a day after being injured and arrested in West Bank during a raid on his village.
01:46:32.000Witnesses say Israeli settlers beat up Bilal, a co-director of the documentary film No Other Land, in the occupied West Bank on Monday local time.
01:46:41.000Mr. Bilal said he had been assaulted by settlers after filming them attacking a neighbor's house.
01:48:08.000Absolutely. But there are those people, like the girls who go out and challenge the morality police in Iran and take off their hijabs and go, no, I'm not going to do it.
01:48:55.000You've got to understand, you would think this is unrelated to the United States, but it is.
01:49:02.000It's humans in power and with ultimate power over society, with a rock-solid set of rules that you can call religion, you can call it whatever you want, but a rock-solid set of rules that you have to adhere to, including how you groom yourself and whether you cover your hair or not.
01:50:01.000They've been doing that since the beginning of time.
01:50:04.000And I think that's why Lord of the Rings is such a powerful thing that everyone can relate to because it's ultimately about the relationship with power.
01:50:13.000And Frodo is trying to make small government, right?
01:50:19.000But every one of us, every single one of us has a Boromir inside of us who wants to come along and go, no, no, no, we'll take this and we'll use it for good.
01:53:28.000And that's where the golem has come in because we've interviewed people on the left and that side of the right and you talk to them and they're all super nice and they're really lovely and they're like, you know, we want this and we want this and we just want people to be happier.
01:53:42.000And we feel that the best way of doing this is this and the best way of doing that is that.
01:54:11.000Well, it's also, whether you're on the left or you're on the right, if you're entering into that arena, you're entering into the arena of like...
01:54:21.000How the society is structured, essentially.
01:54:36.000You know, unless you're exceptionally intelligent and just really tired of it, and you're just like, I just think I have a good perspective, and maybe this is better than my office job.
01:55:04.000It's just like when you're the only person talking about it.
01:55:09.000Or there's, you know, a small group of people talking about it.
01:55:13.000There's still just people talking about it.
01:55:14.000It's not necessarily representative of how most people think, especially if they weren't influenced.
01:55:19.000You know, if most people were just a little more objective and didn't have to agree to certain things if you say you're a Republican or have to agree to certain things if you say you're a Democrat, if we could just be a little bit more reasonable, I think we would find that there's more than enough room for a third party in this country.
01:55:38.000I mean, it's hard to get one off the ground, almost impossible, because they've rigged the whole system.
01:55:44.000And most people think it's ridiculous.
01:55:46.000They're not going to vote for a libertarian unless it's a protest vote.
01:56:25.000Yeah, I think, you know, I think part of the issue is as well, Joe, is that just people, we're tribal by nature.
01:56:31.000We don't want to alienate people in our tribe or people who we perceive to be in our tribe.
01:56:36.000So we just go along with things when we really shouldn't.
01:56:39.000It's like, I'm going to be honest, even on our show, when I have to do a question that I know is going to challenge a guest, there comes a point where I'm like...
01:57:45.000But if nobody's prepared to do that, then all that happens is we sit in our little silo with our own bullshit little ideas that actually, when the rubber hits the road...
01:57:55.000They don't work in reality, and what's more, it's not just that they don't work, it's that they're actually detrimental and destructive to human beings.
01:58:03.000Right. Have you ever heard someone say something, and then the other person says, yeah, but what about the, the, the, the?
01:58:10.000I'm like, okay, but you didn't, whataboutisms are a perfect example of that, right?
01:58:14.000When someone does a whataboutism, what they're basically saying is, I'm not going to address what you said, I'm going to call you on something to make you address something.
01:58:22.000So you've stopped talking about stuff, and now you're just trying to win.
01:58:25.000And this is what most people are doing.
01:58:36.000So that's what a lot of this political discourse in this country is about.
01:58:40.000It's about just, it's connected to this bizarre human tribal behavior of competition.
01:58:46.000That's why I brought up the signal story, because, like, the obvious thing that happened there, somebody made a mistake, mistakes happen, you make mistakes, I make mistakes, you admit it?
01:58:54.000You accept it, you investigate, you find out what happened, and you move on.
01:58:57.000But there are a lot of people doing exactly what you said.
01:59:20.000If the government is doing about a trillion, mate, but if...
01:59:23.000But wouldn't you think you would want an app that only...
01:59:26.000You know how Eric Prince has that unplugged phone?
01:59:31.000Yes. I don't know anything about it, but I do know that he has his own app on the phone that's an encrypted app, an unplugged encrypted app.
01:59:49.000You'd probably have to do it on an Android phone because you'd have to download it through a third party or get some sort of a backdoor deal with Apple where they allow you to put it on the App Store where only you could get into it with a password or something.
02:00:13.000And then once you start thinking that, you just go, well, if this person is challenging me, it doesn't matter how legitimate the challenge is, actually, if I go and destroy them through whatever, even if it's an underhand means, my team still wins, that's okay.
02:00:27.000But it's bad for everybody who's just, like, reluctantly on your team because they think the other team sucks more.
02:00:33.000Now you're like, well, you guys are sucking close to them now.
02:02:52.000But what I want, and what I think the vast majority of people want, is people not on Team X or Team Y, but on Team Britain and Team America.
02:03:02.000Yeah. You know, there's that saying...
02:03:05.000Show me a young man who's not a liberal, and I'll show you...
02:03:10.000And show me an old man who's not a conservative, and I'll show you a man with no brain.
02:03:14.000I don't necessarily think you have to give up on people.
02:03:20.000Like, the idea is that at a certain point in time, you realize, like, that too many people are too fucked up, and you have to have more conservative values, because that's the only way society can function.
02:03:55.000No. And there's a lot of people that are LARPing.
02:03:57.000There's a lot of people that are pretending they're progressive, pretending they're kind, when really they're the fucking people key in Teslas.
02:04:05.000There's a lot of people out there that are just this aping this position that they're in.
02:10:58.000Yeah. You feel like if you want to go somewhere and you want to feel like an uncultured, uneducated barbarian, Japan's a great place for that.
02:11:05.000They sent me up to my room to go put on a long-sleeved shirt to hit the gym.
02:11:10.000Tattoos. You can't have exposed tattoos.
02:11:12.000I was working out with tattoos and they told me, no, no, no, no, no.
02:11:22.000The samurai that killed 60 men in unarmed combat and wrote a book on strategy.
02:11:27.000You never read The Book of Five Rings?
02:11:29.000Wow. It's one of the great philosophy books of all time because it's by this guy that was one of the greatest samurais ever and he was a ronin so he was like traveling the earth having duels with people and killed 62 men in one-on-one duels and wrote about the importance of balance.
02:11:46.000He's like, to be a great samurai you have to be a great artist.
02:11:59.000A human being in order to survive and keep your shit together and one-on-one sword fighting He got to the point where he's so bored killing people that he started killing people with ores So he would carve an oar and like take down the flat part and just make it a pole and they would have a sword And he would fight them with an oar and beat them to death with the oar Like this big old fucking pole and they have a sword and he's fucking them up because he's bored killing people with swords.
02:12:27.000He just wants to bludgeon someone with a sword to death instead of...
02:12:31.000It's like he would show up hours late so they'd be shitting their pants because they knew they were supposed to duel Musashi at like 8 a.m. and he'd show up around noon.
02:14:19.000Until the Giuliani administration infiltrated, you know, and the FBI infiltrated the mob and they've essentially, like, taken the teeth out of the Italian mob.
02:15:48.000Fuck! And this guy was a really short guy, and I saw him interviewed on, I might even be on YouTube, and he told a story, and he was like, you know, I was going for a walk along Wimbledon Common, and I saw the governor of Wandsworth Prison, where I was, for many years, and he goes, and I didn't like him.
02:16:10.000So what I did was, I went and got my mate, and he got a rope, and we got him, and we started to hang him.
02:16:18.000But the problem is, is we were hanging him, and I couldn't reach the second branch, because I'm only a little fella, so we couldn't hang him properly.
02:16:25.000And everybody was laughing about it, and just going, yeah, this is so funny, because he was this charming, funny little guy.
02:16:31.000And I remember as a kid watching it, watching the audience laughing, going, like, that ain't funny, man.
02:18:55.000I remember I was flying to Austin, actually, and I just...
02:18:58.000I was like, I haven't seen this movie in ages, so let's put it on.
02:19:01.000And you know, like most movies, when you watch it on a plane, you're kind of distracted, you start looking at your phone, you start mucking about, whatever.
02:21:10.000Yeah, you know, it's because I used to teach in the East End of London, and there's still legends about Ronnie and Reggie Cray.
02:21:19.000And the one thing that they always used to say about Ronnie and Reggie, they go, yeah, yeah, yeah, they were bad people, but they were nice to their mum.
02:22:41.000You know, I remember with this kid, Ronnie, and they were just saying to him, people were talking, they were like, you know what, Ronnie's not doing well at school at the moment.
02:29:09.000There's animals that are endangered in the land that they're from, but you can hunt them here.
02:29:16.000You know, my dad in the 70s used to work for the council in East London, like local government, and he was saying that there was a guy who owned a scrapyard and was so pissed that people were stealing scrap, he bought on the black market a lion to guard his scrapyard.
02:30:09.000Imagine if you're one of those poor migrants that's wandering through Texas and you accidentally hop the wrong fence and you go into the lion encampment or whatever the fuck they have.
02:30:19.000I mean, I would imagine they have ceilings on these places, hopefully, which is like the San Francisco story, you know, where those kids were throwing pine cones at the tiger and the tiger jumped over the fucking fence because they didn't realize that the fence was only like 12 feet high and a tiger can jump 14 feet high.
02:31:01.000But if you're one of those migrants that wanders through the desert, you know, and you make it across the river and you don't know exactly where you're going, you don't have a good sense of direction, you wind up on some guy's property.
02:31:12.000Is that still going on or has that been stopped now?
02:31:34.000These are the people that didn't get caught, so how do you know how many there are?
02:31:37.000But they do know that there's not this giant line of people that just are assuming they can get in and walk through, and they were just letting them do that.
02:31:45.000Which is there's no reasonable argument why that makes any sense.
02:31:50.000No. No matter how kind you are and compassionate and how much you think these people from a third world country deserve the American dream, that's great.
02:31:58.000But let's find out if they're murderers.
02:32:00.000Let's find out if they're gang members.
02:32:02.000Let's find out if they're hitmen for the cartel.
02:32:04.000Like, what are you just letting everything open?
02:32:08.000There's no rational explanation for that other than you've got some sort of nefarious plan.
02:32:14.000If you're forcing that, trying to stop the enforcement of that, you must have some sort of nefarious plan because it can't be good to let more criminals into the country.
02:32:23.000And inevitably, if you have an open border, a percentage of them are going to be criminals, especially if they're coming from crime-infested parts of the world.
02:32:33.000Well, we actually just had a report in the UK which shows that for a long time people were saying actually these people commit crime at a lower level.
02:33:36.000I don't think we know explain the story for people that don't know well from what I read I think it was in Time magazine Jamie if you can pull it up and maybe we can get it accurate but basically With a bunch of these trend our Agua guys Allegedly they got one guy who at least one guy who wasn't a criminal Who was just a gay barber who I think, according to the story, came here legally.
02:34:21.000Because I think we talked about this with Doge as well.
02:34:23.000When you do things quickly and you do things aggressively, that's how you get shit done.
02:34:28.000But that's also when mistakes get made.
02:34:30.000And I think a human being being plucked out of nowhere and ending up in a country he's never been in, in a maximum security prison with gang members, seems like a bad thing to happen to me.
02:35:39.000And this is the thing we're seeing with the signal thing, and this is the thing we're seeing with this.
02:35:43.000It's like, I don't know if it's been brought to their attention.
02:35:45.000I mean, I would assume someone's alerted them to the fact that they might have rounded up this just random hairdresser and accused him of being a gang member.
02:37:26.000You can't have checks and balances in place.
02:37:27.000Because you're not letting people, you're not vetting people, you're getting the worst of society, and the worst of society gives everybody else a bad name.
02:37:36.000Gives everybody a bad name, but also you have to wonder why that's being tolerated.
02:37:49.000Why do you want to disrupt society in this way and allow this to take place, allow the possibility of some sort of a gang attack or anything horrible to happen?
02:38:02.000A photojournalist was on hand in El Salvador as prison guards beat a man who is likely to be Andy, a gay Venezuelan barber makeup artist who is seemingly falsely accused of being a gang member and rendition by the Trump administration with literally no due process.
02:38:19.000So, do they have a photograph that looks like this guy?
02:38:22.000A young man sobbed when a guard pushed him to the floor.
02:39:30.000You then get kicked out of the country.
02:39:32.000You're in a maximum security prison with some of the most vicious gang members.
02:39:38.000What to know about Andrew, 31-year-old makeup artist, falsely deported to El Salvador prison, lawyer says.
02:39:45.000Immigration attorney, say a gay Venezuelan makeup artist seeking asylum in the U.S., was wrongly detained as a gang member and deported to El Salvador, a case becoming a flashpoint in the debate over the Trump administration's deportation of hundreds of migrants to a notoriously inhumane El Salvador megaprison.
02:40:11.000But if it is real, this is fucking horrible.
02:40:13.000But if you think about it, Joe, like I say, if you're rounding up hundreds of people, mistakes are going to get made because everyone's human.
02:40:19.000And you then have to have a system, I think, that allows you to amend and make adjustments for that.
02:40:40.000We have the same problem in the UK in terms of the illegal immigration.
02:40:43.000And if we ever get a government that's going to deal with that, we're also going to have to remove a lot of people who are there illegally.
02:43:36.000Right. But I think there's – the legal thing from what I've read is very complicated because if someone is not a U.S. national, they may be subject to different rules or they may not.
02:43:49.000But from a purely principal's perspective, someone being arrested for writing an article seems extreme.
02:43:55.00030-year-old was arrested and physically restrained by immigration officers near her apartment close to Tufts University's Somerville campus where she was a Ph.D.
02:44:02.000student. Six plainclothes officers surrounded.
02:44:08.000Ozturk. As she walked alone, neighborhood surveillance video appears to show the officers did not show their badges until she was restrained, the video shows.
02:44:17.000She affiliated with prestigious American universities to be arrested for purported activities related to terrorist organizations amid the Trump administration's immigration crackdown.
02:44:44.000Look, the counter argument on this, and I think it's one that I, as someone who visits the United States, also feel is like, I don't think the United States would have given this person a visa if she had told them this is what she plans to do in America.
02:45:56.000You know, we're rapidly approaching the time where America and the UK is going to have a pretty uncomfortable debate as to what is acceptable and what is unacceptable when it comes to dealing with people who come here illegally, people who commit...
02:46:16.000Crime or even if they attend protests, where is the line?
02:46:21.000Because we're going to have to make a decision.
02:46:23.000Because until we do that and we start to actually apply the law as it's meant to be applied and put certain laws in place, then these type of things are just going to continue to happen.
02:46:33.000100%, especially if someone wants them to happen.
02:46:35.000Because that's my fear, is that a lot of these things are paid for and organized, including a lot of these protests at universities.
02:46:45.000And I think they're trying to build up a lot of passion in these people for being disruptive and a lot of passion for protest and passion for...
02:47:06.000You know, if they can weaponize it against Tesla, they can do that with a lot of other things to justify that kind of vandalism and fire and arson and all the chaos and property destruction.
02:47:24.000Went around just interviewing people, talking to students, and both on pro-Palestine and the other side.
02:47:30.000And one thing one of the kids said to me was, as he was trying to get into the library, he was like, you know, most of the people who are doing this, they're not from UCLA.
02:48:40.000Two billion dollars over the course of three months to do this and it failed?
02:48:44.000But it's like you're manufacturing this.
02:48:49.000This passion, manufacturing this movement.
02:48:52.000And a lot of people are dumb and it works on them.
02:48:56.000I'm sure you saw that lady who was bragging about buying champagne and making fun of the guy selling her the champagne because he wasted his vote on Trump.
02:49:04.000And I'm buying champagne to toast Madame President.
02:49:23.000And they just gaslit the whole country.
02:49:27.000And this is what happened with all that woke cancellation stuff as well, where it was a very small number of people who made themselves look a lot bigger online.
02:49:34.000Right. In order to then get companies to back down, to get...
02:49:38.000Universities to back down in order to get other organizations who were just scared of the bad attention to back down.
02:49:46.000I look at a lot of stuff that happens on social media.
02:49:49.000I'm going, there's no fucking way that has got 80,000 likes organically.
02:50:21.000I mean, you can have, like, really sophisticated programs that tweet as if they are from Afghanistan, tweet as if they're from wherever they are in the world.
02:50:31.000They can do it in different languages.
02:50:33.000It can all be done with AI now, and they can argue specific points.
02:52:11.000Like, everybody on the outside of, like, people that are...
02:52:16.000Well, the guy like Tom Hanks is essentially like a kind of royalty, like a movie star royalty, like that class of celebrity is like almost beyond – and so they don't seem like normal people to you.
02:52:28.000They go to that Eyes Wide Shut party and drink baby blood and like there's all these bizarre things attributed to those people and they're in control of the narrative and they're – but there's some – People that really are in control of the narrative.
02:52:40.000There's some people that really are like CIA agents that are on TV shows.
02:52:46.000There's like people that have worked for the CIA that are now on television telling you what the news is.
02:52:51.000If that doesn't seem fucking crazy, you know, it's just we're going through a bizarre period of being.
02:53:03.000We're bombarded with constant information, having unprecedented access to each other and information, and also watching all the powers that be try to snatch up more and more control over society.
02:53:17.000We're watching it play out in real time.
02:53:19.000And we're concentrating on girls in sports and whether or not this is real.
02:53:25.000Should gay people still be able to get married?
02:53:27.000You're just watching more and more power be Acquired by the people with the most amount of money.
02:53:36.000Yeah, and that's why people like Jeff Bezos buy with the Washington Post.
02:53:41.000Well, at least he turned it around and said lately that they're going to have to stop with all these left-wing opinion pieces and just post about the news.
02:53:49.000Yeah. You know, which everybody's freaking out because they really think they have like a mandate to be like the moral voice of the world, which is so hilarious.
02:54:15.000Whatever. And that comes back to our Lord of the Rings conversation because even well-intentioned people who are doing things that we might like, everyone's got an agenda.
02:54:24.000Well, and so AI comes along and equally distributes all the money.
02:54:35.000I'm happy you visit often, and I'm glad you're having a good time over here, and I hope you get your fucking shit together with your country, because, come on.
02:56:04.000And what we often do as well is we look through them before the interview, and if we can't get them in at the end, we'll actually try and incorporate them into the discussion itself.