On this episode of the podcast, we have a guest on the show, Alex Blumberg. Alex is a writer, comedian, podcaster, and podcaster. He's been with us for a long time, and we talk about some of his favorite conspiracy theories and conspiracy theories about the deep state.
00:00:56.000Yeah, but I thought you've been telling me for so long that this is going to save the world.
00:01:00.000The importance on going green was that we're all going to die unless we do it.
00:01:05.000And now you're taking the most successful electric car company and trying to destroy them?
00:01:11.000Because for the crime of pointing out that maybe the seven trillion dollars that our federal government's spending has a wee bit of corruption in it, you know, like maybe we could cut some of that.
00:01:21.000It's so, I don't know, it's so, on every level, it's just so surreal.
00:01:54.000The title was something like, How the Shadow Government Stole.
00:01:59.000It wasn't exactly that, but it basically went through the real conspiracy of 2020, and they're writing it from the pro-conspiracy point of view.
00:02:10.000Forget anything about ballots or any of that stuff.
00:02:14.000Even when you interviewed Trump, he didn't really have a good answer for that.
00:03:35.000But also, it's a, you know, it's like, and that's kind of like the whole CIA deep state game is it's always moving around the margins.
00:03:44.000You know, like if you if there's because like when I, you know, on the show, I've talked about a bunch like the made on revolution in Ukraine.
00:03:51.000And when I when I'd say like this was a US backed coup against a democratically elected president.
00:03:57.000the response I get from people who disagreed with it would always be like, "Oh, you're denying the agency of the Ukrainian people?
00:04:04.000There's all these Ukrainian people in the streets." And you're like, "Well, yeah, but the US poured $100 million into that street protest.
00:04:12.000You think that made a difference a little bit?" And so it's not that there weren't real people there.
00:04:19.000But man, you want to keep a protest going through the Ukrainian winter, And then all of a sudden you get a hundred million dollars and now you got heat lamps and celebrities and concerts and then you keep the whole thing going until the democratically elected president has to flee for his fucking life and then what are you supposed to look at that?
00:04:38.000Oh that was just an organic revolution?
00:04:52.000They don't like the detail that there's many layers of subterfuge inter Exchanging with each other.
00:04:59.000There's just so much money and so much influence and they're so good at it They've been doing it for so long that they can get time magazine to write an article saying how it's good.
00:05:09.000Yeah, it's great It's good that we saved the 2020 election And that's and by the way, I love um, I know you're you're Podcast with Mike Benz was phenomenal that dude's great.
00:05:22.000Yeah, he's he's great But I'll tell you I already I knew all that he's right about all that USA ID stuff and I'll tell you That was the whole thing.
00:05:30.000It's a Scott Horton's book provoked which is like the best book that's been written on the the history of the build-up to the war in Ukraine And it's all in there, dude.
00:05:41.000But it's like, yeah, they're the ones pumping all this money in.
00:05:44.000And then they make it out, like, when you try to cut it, they're like, oh, no, we were just helping some kids get on a school bus over here and overthrowing the democratically elected government in Ukraine.
00:06:28.000But also, the thing is that, you know, when you look at like the actual money, because sometimes they'll kind of point out that They're like, oh, this is a very small percentage of the budget and it's like yeah tiny money.
00:06:40.000Well, right It's a small billion dollar budget.
00:06:43.000Yeah, but our budget I mean the I know the entire GDP of Russia is like two trillion dollars the entire economy and I don't know what Ukraine is but smaller than that and We spend like between six and seven trillion dollars a year just our government.
00:07:01.000So when you're talking about Flooding in a hundred million dollars flooding in a few billion.
00:07:05.000I think like it's like five or six billion dollars since 91 we put into Ukraine that may not sound like that much money in the context of America the biggest economy or the second biggest economy in the world, but Politically in a small country like Ukraine that moves mountains that changes the entire landscape When the world Empire is pumping that type of money in what do you think the world looks like though?
00:07:29.000If the United States doesn't do that So the United States doesn't it this is like the Mike Baker perspective, right?
00:07:37.000Like if the United States doesn't make friends with these dictators if the United States doesn't put people who are sympathetic to our causes in power China does Russia does it looks very bad for America all over the world things get dangerous.
00:07:52.000It's almost almost always the war hawks Rely on an unfalsifiable counterfactual, you know, so it's like oh, but if we didn't do this and we ran the counterfactual it would be this crazy other scenario That's somehow even worse than this right now.
00:08:10.000The problem with that from my perspective is number one the the factual scenario is Like, something like four to five million dead civilians over the last 25 years.
00:08:26.000Eight trillion dollars depleted from the U.S. Treasury.
00:08:30.000Tens of thousands of our bravest young men blowing their brains out.
00:08:33.000So, you know, if you're relying on this unfalsifiable counterfactual, but it would have been worse if we hadn't fought a war in Iraq and Afghanistan and Syria and Libya and Somalia and Yemen and all these places over the last years.
00:08:45.000Okay. I'd say the onus is on you to really have to demonstrate that and not just assert that it would be worse if we hadn't done this.
00:08:54.000But also like, you know, we are going broke doing it.
00:08:58.000Like we're 36 trillion dollars in debt.
00:09:15.000It seems extremely unlikely that that would be the case.
00:09:19.000And also, you know, it's like people act like, OK, if we weren't doing this in Ukraine, then Vladimir Putin could do whatever he wanted to.
00:09:26.000Or if we weren't doing this, then China could do whatever they wanted to.
00:09:29.000But they've got adversaries all around them, too, who are richer than them.
00:09:33.000Maybe not in China's case, but certainly in Putin's case, richer than them, are opposed to them.
00:09:37.000There's an all of Western Europe is not just a pushover.
00:09:41.000China has Japan and South Korea, and they've got their own You know, the truth is that there's nobody has the power that the US government has to do this shit.
00:09:52.000It's only like we're the ones who can do this and it would just be a better world if we just didn't like you just can't convince me that like that if we just hadn't have fought the terror wars like which was totally a possibility we could we had.
00:10:06.000The whole war on terrorism could have been over by Christmas of 2001 with the special ops taking out the Al-Qaeda cells.
00:10:13.000They could have trapped Osama bin Laden in Tora Bora when they had him there.
00:10:33.000War propaganda for invading Afghanistan.
00:10:36.000It wasn't everyone remembers WMDs, but it wasn't just that claim.
00:10:40.000It was the claim which Dick Cheney and George W. Bush and all the neocons pushed real hard was that he was in on 9-11.
00:10:48.000Now this totally fell apart because it was never true and they knew it wasn't true.
00:10:51.000But the claim was he's got these weapons and he could hand them off to the terrorists and then You know, what was the Condoleezza Rice line was like, we don't want the warning to be in the form of a mushroom cloud or something like that.
00:11:04.000The fear was they're going to nuke Kansas or whatever as soon as as soon as Saddam Hussein gives the weapons he doesn't have to the terrorists he's not friends with.
00:11:13.000But if they caught Osama bin Laden, I think that would have destroyed the whole seven wars in five years.
00:11:28.000Pierce Morgan, say what you will about him, he hosted a debate between, which I love doing the show without trashing it, but it's a circus.
00:11:42.000That circus is fucking a lot of people lining up.
00:11:45.000Dude, he figured out, and you got to give him so much credit because he's probably the only one from like the old guard of corporate media who figured it out.
00:13:28.000Yeah. You're telling me there shouldn't – and your position here, it just like exposes that the entire media – it's like your position here is to get in between the regime and any threat to the regime.
00:13:41.000Well, it's also radical change, and radical change causes controversy, and controversy is what they sell.
00:13:47.000Yeah. So the media is going to sell that and they're going to sell it on the angle of this is creating all sorts of problems, all sorts of people are losing their jobs, budgets are getting cut, people are getting fired, they're out on the street.
00:15:53.000The whole thing stinks, and what stinks way worse than that giant distraction is that the number one opponent for Macron just got sentenced to four years in jail and barred from political life for five years.
00:16:06.000And the frontrunner, not just the number one opponent, the one who's winning.
00:16:16.000No, they were able to take it further.
00:16:18.000Yeah. And then we'll see if there's the backlash the same way there was when they tried to do that to Trump.
00:16:23.000And it's just so, it's like the, there's some propaganda that's like almost too, it can't be successful propaganda.
00:16:33.000Like, saying Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction and is in bed with terrorists, that's good propaganda right there.
00:16:38.000You know, right after 9-11, you could totally convince the average American that, you know, OK, well, we can't let that stand.
00:16:45.000You know, in a post 9-11 world, we can't allow some Arab dictator to have nuclear weapons and he's friends with the terrorists and he's in on 9-11.
00:17:43.000And it's what every real estate agent does.
00:17:47.000Yeah, I mean it's so it was so obvious that they were just weaponizing the the legal system to go after it's so crazy like they tried to save Mar-a-Lago was only worth 18 million Yeah, it's like dude.
00:18:10.000I would buy it right away If someone told me you could get Mar-a-Lago for 18 million, I'd call my accountant right now I'd go don't lose this jump on this dude.
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00:20:18.000And so in this debate, one of the most interesting things, Wesley Clark just very casually said this, but it's like breaking news.
00:20:25.000But he said, so everybody, I assume we played it like a bunch of times on the show before, but Wesley Clark's four-star general, he was the head of NATO, and he told Amy Goodman on Democracy Now!
00:20:35.000that he saw in late 2001, what has become known as the seven wars in five years, that the plan from the neocons in the government was that we were going to overthrow all these governments in the region in the next five years.
00:20:51.000Now, this plan obviously didn't end up happening in five years, but it's literally he names seven countries and there's one to go.
00:20:59.000And that one, by the way, happens to be the one that Donald Trump is flirting with a war with right now, Iran.
00:21:10.000No, there's, I mean, we're very clearly moving toward this war, yet another catastrophic war.
00:21:17.000But so, Wesley Clark gets asked about this in the debate, and he goes, oh, it actually goes back much further than that.
00:21:23.000He goes, I first saw the plans in 1991, and it came from Paul Wolfowitz.
00:21:28.000Okay, so he goes Paul Wolfowitz had these plans in 1991 and he took them to Brent Scowcroft who was George HW Bush's national security advisor So he takes them to them and according to Wesley Clark again, my source on this is a four-star general He says that Scowcroft went we'll look at this after the election 92 is the election year they lose Bill Clinton comes in and he goes and the plan kind of got killed and then he said it was revived later in a study paid for by the Israelis and
00:21:58.000And that this was done, that Richard Perle was really the one who brought it back to life, and that it was explicitly done because this is what they thought was necessary to protect Israel.
00:22:07.000And like, as I've mentioned to you before, now I don't know exactly what study he's referring to, but he said, that's what he said.
00:22:13.000But I do know, as I've mentioned before in this, that anybody can go read The Clean Break.
00:22:19.000You could Google it, it's a clean break, a new strategy for securing the realm, which was a letter written by the guy he mentioned, Richard Perle and David Wormsar, to Benjamin Netanyahu in 1996, it was his first year when he came in as prime minister.
00:22:52.000You've got to finally give these Palestinians a state.
00:22:55.000You've been occupying them since 1967.
00:22:57.000You've got to finally take your boot off their neck.
00:22:59.000And the clean break strategy was to go, listen, we got to get away from this whole idea of a Palestinian state and giving them land.
00:23:07.000And basically the thinking, the Itzhak Rabin old school thinking on this, loosely speaking, it's a little more complicated, but basically they were like, look, we've been occupying the Palestinians for decades and decades now.
00:23:37.000Instead of making peace with the Palestinians so that we get along with the Arab states surrounding us, what we're going to do is we're going to overthrow all of those states.
00:23:46.000So we never have to make peace with the Palestinians.
00:23:48.000So we never have to have a two-state solution.
00:23:50.000What we'll just do is we'll go overthrow all of these governments.
00:23:53.000Of course, Israel can't go overthrow all of these governments, but the U.S. can.
00:23:59.000They had these plans according to Wesley Clark in 91. We know about the Clean Break Memo in 96. But after 9-11, that's when, by a terrible twist of fate and all this shit, the neocons are in power.
00:24:16.000They're in George W. Bush's, but there is no Brent Scowcroft.
00:24:55.000And look, man, and then just, and you could see now where there's like so much, um, there, there's such a rise in people being so fed up with, with this stuff.
00:25:06.000But the idea that we're now, I mean, look, just even, uh, with those, this whole signal, How do you do that?
00:25:26.000I mean, I don't understand how you do that.
00:27:34.000It was like, um, she was like, uh, so was this a staffer who messed up with someone?
00:27:38.000And he goes, no, no, no, you know, I take full responsibility, um, but it was, you know, I'm sure a lot of people have a contact with the wrong number saved in the contact or something like that.
00:28:21.000It's like, You keep things that you don't need I have contacts for people that are not just dead but people that are dead to me You know to me like why why do I have them in there?
00:28:31.000Sure. I don't talk to that guy anymore like But you don't add him to a fucking chat list!
00:28:38.000Well, right, and also, and he was claiming, like, the idea of, which I'm sure has happened to all of us before, where, like, maybe you're taking down someone's number and you enter it wrong.
00:28:47.000So, like, but that wouldn't, you wouldn't happen to hit the Atlantic journalist guy's number.
00:28:52.000No, he was, he had to be in contact with that guy.
00:28:55.000Well, he claims he's never been in contact with him, he's never met him, he's never had a conversation.
00:28:58.000So how did he include him in the chat?
00:28:59.000By the way, then they found pictures of them together.
00:29:05.000But I will say, that, it's like with a lot of these things, there was like, which we've talked about before on the show, but there's the leaked video, Victoria Nuland phone call where she's Deciding who the new government in Ukraine will be right like right around the okay And then at one point she's furious at the European Union for not like moving in faster And she goes at one point.
00:29:30.000She goes you know fuck the European Union.
00:29:32.000We'll just do it ourselves We should play that recording sure cuz it's so crazy, but people should hear it, but the point is that the the The scandal became that she said, fuck the EU.
00:29:42.000And you're like, no, no, no, dude, that's not the scandal here.
00:29:56.000Yeah, everyone's like fuck this call people retards.
00:29:59.000It's great Well, it's it is it's like they lost they were trying to play that like Donald Trump's like down here And yeah, and then that didn't work.
00:30:07.000So they were like, I guess we'll just try to be like him.
00:30:14.000They're they're adopting podcast language is what it is.
00:30:17.000Yes, but I don't think it's going to be successful for them because what they're not adopting is the authenticity of it, and it comes off as kind of like – It goes, oh, now you're doing this?
00:30:28.000Like, after all these years of pretending you were all formal, and everything was about decorum, and how Donald Trump wasn't presidential enough, and now you're like, oh, so you never really believed any of that shit.
00:30:39.000It's like them trying to turn on the woke stuff.
00:31:36.000Oh, but so so anyway just on the signal thing though again, like the real scandal here is not that they whatever either intentionally or were just so incompetent that they they added this journalist to it and it got leaked like the real scandal is like when you look through the chat and that it's like what are we Because what are we doing here?
00:31:56.000We're bombing another country in the Middle East.
00:31:59.000We're bombing the poorest country in the Middle East.
00:32:06.000Because they're standing up against this fucking brutal war in Gaza right now And so we're gonna bomb these guys again And then you have like I gotta say man like I was disgusted by Tulsi Gabbard's response there someone who I've you know said a lot of nice things about over the years and who I really supported as being the the DNI but like Literally only J.D. Vance is the only one who offers the mildest pushback and goes like hey guys this is kind of a mistake and it's kind of everything against what Donald Trump ran
00:32:36.000on and by the way like it's like such an insignificant amount of our trade that even goes through this area it's really Europe's problem not ours and but I'll go along with it if you guys want to if you guys say and then they literally say on the thing they go we've We've tracked the missile guy, as they call him, this is the target they're trying to take out.
00:32:54.000They go, we've tracked him to his girlfriend's apartment building.
00:32:58.000And so we'll level the apartment building.
00:33:00.000And then Tulsi Gabbard's just like, job well done, team.
00:33:04.000There's not like, nobody, nobody even has the thought to go like, you know, like any, is there a way we could do this without like murdering an entire?
00:33:14.000entire apartment buildings worth of people here is there a wait man this is a lot like it's like to none to none of you guys even kind of believe in God are none of you even scared that maybe God exists in that like Jesus Christ what are we doing here there's none of that there's not a feeling of that there's not a sense of like we're and and you know and I've talked about this before on the show but we got the whole history of of the war in Yemen going all the way back to Obama's first term I mean,
00:33:39.000what we've done to this country, the poorest country in the Middle East, I mean, it was a goddamn genocide that happened in Yemen.
00:33:47.000I mean, the drone bomb campaign from Obama was bad enough, but the Saudi invasion and the blockade and the war on the civilian population, you know, hundreds of thousands of people died, hundreds of thousands of cases of, like, cholera and these other, like, very easily preventable and treatable diseases that babies were just dying of because they had a full blockade around the country.
00:34:08.000Fucking enforcing the blockade the u.s.
00:34:11.000Fucking refueling the Saudi fighter jets and backing them the whole war there and The idea that we think what launching a couple tomahawks is gonna break the Houthis after they went through all that shit There's no chance like it's not you're just killing people for no strategic benefit It's there's the only thing that would actually like we could overthrow the Houthis if we wanted to invade the country But the u.s.
00:34:35.000Military could do that But like short of that the idea that you have to do that's like a big public thing which is bombing somehow or another especially drone bombing Sort of like is in the ether.
00:35:01.000We've invaded their land with actual boots on the ground.
00:35:04.000It's different For some weird reason, like you're allowed to use flying robots remote controlled by drone operators who, by the way, have some of the weirdest fucking PTSD.
00:35:17.000These people are all fucked up for a long time because they watch these folks because they're watching these folks.
00:37:31.000There's not this sense of, like, I had to do what I had to do.
00:37:34.000When you're just watching it on a monitor from a safe distance, I think there's some way that that fucks you up on a whole different level.
00:37:45.000I mean, you see a man holding his child and swinging her around in his arms, and then you know you're going to blow that man and that kid to smithereens.
00:37:52.000Yeah. And you have to because the kids are near the dad and we got to kill that guy.
00:37:57.000Yeah, when you got orders, you know And a whole apartment building like what we're talking like thousands of people, but what are we talking about?
00:38:09.000Well, there's there's a clip that Tim Pool Got like a real short interview with Donald Trump during the campaign like he I think he was the first one but it wasn't like a long-form podcast like it was he was the first podcast but he did like 20 minutes or something like that but he did get this one clip out of Donald Trump on that thing where Donald Trump is is eviscerating Joe Biden for bombing the Houthis for the same exact reason.
00:38:36.000Because they were firing on shipping lanes.
00:38:38.000And Donald Trump's like, what type of idiot is Joe Biden?
00:38:41.000I mean, these guys, their answer for everything is to drop bombs on it.
00:38:49.000And the fact is that there were, during the ceasefire, which Trump's envoy negotiated, which has fallen apart now, but during the ceasefire, there were no Houthi attacks on the shipping lanes.
00:39:02.000Like, they've stopped them, and then when the ceasefire fell apart, they picked them back up again.
00:39:06.000Now, feel however you feel about that.
00:39:09.000I'm just saying, there is a diplomatic solution here, right?
00:39:13.000Like, they are willing to, like, if there's a ceasefire, they will stop these attacks.
00:39:17.000But there's not a military solution, short of invading the country and having yet another catastrophic war in the Middle East.
00:39:25.000And it's like, so which one of those do you want to pick?
00:39:42.000And as you could see, even JD Vance and then a little bit Pete Hegseth, their only issue, you know, it's never the innocent people being killed.
00:39:49.000You know, for a bunch of Christians, it's kind of weird that that never comes up.
00:39:53.000They're their issue is oh, this is us bailing out Europe because Europe actually relies more on these these shipping lanes than the United States does by orders of magnitude and But even that that is part of the America first thing that Donald Trump totally ran against like why is it that we have to foot?
00:40:10.000The bill for everybody else's defense that makes no sense.
00:40:13.000We're broke Our country is in bad shape.
00:41:13.000When Obama started up with the drone bombing, the then-secret drone bombing campaign, and Yemen was one of the major theaters.
00:41:22.000You know, this was where, if you remember, because it was like the biggest scandal of the Obama administration, also not talked about much in the media but was talked about on a lot of podcasts, was that Anwar al-Awlaki and his like 14 or 15 year old son, his two American citizens, were both killed by drone bombs in Yemen.
00:41:40.000And this was Caused a bit of an outrage among some people because you were like, hey, you know, you really can't murder American citizens who have never been charged of a crime.
00:41:49.000You can't just say, you know, I just, you know, forget that whole Bill of Rights thing.
00:41:56.000And by the way, the kid was not Al Qaeda affiliated or anything, and they claimed that that wasn't intentional, but it sure seemed like it was.
00:42:03.000But so Obama had a drone, you know, he was fighting at the time.
00:42:08.000Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula had like a presence in Yemen, so he's drone bombing these Al-Qaeda sites.
00:42:14.000I think the estimates were something like 95 to 96 percent of the people who died were not the targets, so just killing a whole bunch of innocent people.
00:42:23.000And then, as always happens in these situations, Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula just grew stronger and stronger and stronger, because this is what's going on.
00:42:31.000You know, it's insurgent math, like General McChrystal said.
00:42:34.000You know, you kill a bunch of innocent people, and then, you know, you kill one little girl, and she had three brothers, and a father, and two uncles, and they all join up Al-Qaeda now, because, like, fuck you, they're going to get you back for that shit.
00:42:46.000Yes. So we're doing this drone bomb campaign over there.
00:42:49.000It's completely failing, and Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula is just getting stronger and stronger.
00:42:53.000At the same time, Obama kind of bribed off the dictator of Yemen at the time, this guy, Saleh, And he was like, listen, if you let us do our fucking drone bombing campaigns in here, we'll give you a whole bunch of weapons and money.
00:43:58.000Um, they told them that literally this is why, so Obama stabbed the Houthis in the back, took Saudi Arabia's side, took Al Qaeda's side, started fighting on the, started using the, fighting in a civil war against the Houthis, which is, you know, in effect, taking Al Qaeda's side in that war.
00:44:37.000And then they were also really pissed off because Obama did the one decent thing he did in his administration was he worked out that deal with Iran.
00:44:44.000Same goddamn thing that Trump tore up and is now demanding they get back into some type of nuclear deal.
00:44:49.000But so in order to placate the Saudis, Obama goes, okay.
00:45:39.000They were bombing their like wheat silos.
00:45:42.000They were bombing their irrigation ditches.
00:45:45.000They're just like a total war on the civilian population all the way from 2015 into 2021 when it essentially ended in like an Afghanistan style, I guess we give up.
00:45:57.000Like it was just eventually the status, I think the Houthis, you know, one of the things that's really interesting that happened this whole time, like you were talking about the drone wars.
00:46:04.000So back in 2009, first of all, it was secret.
00:46:08.000The drone program wasn't, everyone knew it, there had been good reporting on it, but the way they got the good reporting was like people found the drones in Yemen, you know, and they'd take like little, you know, grainy cell phone pictures and be like, look, this is a US drone.
00:46:21.000So there's clearly, but actually the Obama's press secretary It's not, goddammit, not Jay Carney, his first press secretary.
00:46:45.000And he was talking about how when he used to get questions about the drone program, he wasn't allowed to even acknowledge that it was real.
00:47:02.000When I went through the process of becoming press secretary, one of the first things they told me was, you're not even to acknowledge the drone program.
00:47:09.000You're not even to discuss that it exists, said former White House press secretary Robert Gibbs.
00:47:48.000I certainly think there are aspects of that program that are and will remain highly sensitive and very secret.
00:47:56.000But let me give you an example here, Chris.
00:47:59.000When I went through the process of becoming press secretary, one of the first things they told me was, you're not even to acknowledge the drone program.
00:48:07.000You're not even to discuss that it exists.
00:48:11.000And so I would get a question like that and literally I couldn't tell you what major asked because once I figured out it was about the drone program, I realized I'm not supposed to talk about it.
00:48:20.000But here's what's inherently crazy about that proposition.
00:48:24.000You're being asked a question based on reporting Of a program that exists.
00:48:30.000Right. So you're the official government spokesperson acting as if the entire program...
00:48:36.000Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
00:48:38.000I think in many ways, and I think what the president has seen, and I have not talked to him about this, so I want to be careful.
00:48:45.000But I think what the president has seen is our denial of the existence of the program when it's obviously happening undermines people's confidence overall in the decisions that their government makes.
00:48:58.000That's really that's the major problem with murdering people in the poorest country in the Middle East.
00:49:03.000You know, it might undermine people's trust in you and therefore your ability to murder more people in the poorest country in the Middle East.
00:49:44.000I mean, it's not as if they were like, well, if Al-Qaeda knows that we're coming for them, then something is compromised.
00:49:51.000It's just like, oh yeah, Obama ran as the peace candidate.
00:49:55.000He collected a Nobel Peace Prize before he had done anything.
00:49:58.000And he didn't particularly want to tell people that he had just started this new campaign of just murdering whoever he wanted to for whatever reason he wanted to.
00:50:05.000You know, one of the things that's interesting about the technology of it, and I remember people much smarter than me predicting this at the time, I guess I never really appreciated like exactly the timetable of all of it, but it went in 2009, which he's talking about 2009, a few years later there, it went from like, oh, the US has this new technology where we can use drones in war, So all of a sudden, now in 2025, you're sitting around and everybody, like, this is just part of war now.
00:50:34.000You know, literally, even the Houthis, I mean, they don't have the capabilities we have, but they have drone bombs.
00:50:40.000And that's part of how they were able to get the Saudis to finally back out, is like, they could hit some of their oil fields with their drone bombs, and it was enough of a pain in the ass for the Saudis to be like, all right, like, call it quits.
00:50:52.000And so they ended that war in 21. But now these Houthis have been in charge of Yemen the whole time since.
00:50:58.000You know, in the same way that it was like, we fought this whole war to get the Taliban out of Afghanistan, we just lost.
00:51:04.000Like, they just still run the whole place.
00:51:08.000They have gone through what was The worst humanitarian crisis in the world from 2015 to 2021 They survived all of that and they're still there and now they see the same goddamn thing happening in Gaza Then they're the one again.
00:51:22.000I'm not like this is their stated thing I'm not saying like they're all great people or something, but they're going like no fuck that We're standing up for the people in Gaza And so they were like as long as all of you guys are supporting Israel just slaughtering all these people Then we're going to start, you know, like trying to shut down these shipping lines, which they don't really have the capacity to do, but they can hit some cargo ships and hit some military ships.
00:51:49.000Like when you look at what happened in Gaza and you think about the tensions that existed before October 7th and then this happens and then the Israeli attack happens, like how does anything come to a peaceful resolution at this point?
00:52:05.000Well, It looks really bad at the moment right now, you know, and like what I always like to say, which I you know is like 50% just me telling myself something to feel better about the situation, but then 50% like it is kind of you know, like you look you could go around the world right now and like England is right next to is right next to Ireland and everybody's just cool there right now.
00:52:30.000And that would have seemed like impossible, you know?
00:52:32.000And like France and Germany and you know what I mean?
00:52:35.000Like there are all these countries where like there was a time where it just seemed impossible.
00:52:38.000And you know, that was Egypt and Israel.
00:52:41.000So Egypt and Israel went to war four times in the first 20 something years of the existence of the state of Israel.
00:52:48.000They just kept going to war and war and war against each other.
00:52:51.000And then in the late 70s, they made a deal and it was like a land for peace swap.
00:52:57.000But isn't it part of the problem that Palestine is not a state.
00:53:03.000You can never come to peace if you never even acknowledge they exist.
00:53:10.000Israel took control of what are known as the occupied territories.
00:53:16.000They took control of Gaza and the West Bank in 1967.
00:53:19.000And it's one thing, I'm not saying it's ever justified, but it's one thing to occupy an area for a few months after a war as you're going through the process of turning it over to themselves or maybe even a few years.
00:53:34.000But we're going into 60 years of complete Israeli control over these people.
00:53:42.000And under Israeli control, they have zero rights.
00:53:48.000I mean like they don't have the freedom of movement.
00:53:51.000They don't have freedom to trade with the outside world They don't have voting rights.
00:53:54.000They don't have the right of due process They get they get if literally to this day like in the West Bank Where there's like all these big Israeli settlements because the Israelis are just constantly slowly stealing more of the Palestinians land They if like an Israeli settler in the West Bank in the same jurisdiction Gets in a dispute with a Palestinian there The Israeli citizen, he's a citizen of Israel.
00:55:07.000I really just, and I'll say, listen, I know, like the last time I was on was on election night and I, look, I supported Donald Trump in this last election.
00:55:16.000I think Donald Trump was like a necessary force.
00:55:21.000Donald Trump is a once in a century type of figure.
00:56:41.000Many times, presidential candidates, the frontrunner to be president, once again, former presidents, a sniper gets a clean shot 130 yards away from them.
00:56:59.000But so a lot of this made people think like, oh maybe, but I will say, already into Trump's presidency, It's just a lot, it's like, ah, shit.
00:57:09.000Now, I guess I gotta be happy with the things that he did, but the idea that he's really figured this out, or he's really onto something, or he's learned a lot, or he's got...
00:57:16.000The guy is out there, he's saying we should primary Thomas Massie, and throwing his support behind Lindsey Graham.
00:57:24.000What is Thomas Massie doing that's pissing him off?
00:57:26.000No, he didn't vote for the freaking spending bill.
00:57:29.000He voted against the CR because it increased spending and was increasing the debt and it was refunding all of the programs that Doge had recommended be cut.
00:57:38.000So he was like, no, I'm not voting for this.
00:57:40.000And Trump was like, well, I'm going to need you to vote for it.
00:57:46.000Same reason Trump hated him in 2020 because he wouldn't vote for the $2 trillion COVID spending bill.
00:57:52.000Cause he was like, wait, you're telling me because the country's locked down, that means we have to bail out every giant corporation around the country?
00:57:59.000And then Trump sent all his people to go, you know, he's betraying America first or whatever.
00:58:05.000And there's once Trump gets in it, he just wants like, you know, the next win.
00:58:08.000Um, but you know, the, the real problem here is like the, I look, the idea that we are going to go And and ethnically cleanse like finish the job of ethnically cleansing the Palestinians out of Gaza on behalf of Israel It's like what first of all, what do you think?
00:58:28.000What do you think the reaction to that's gonna be?
00:58:31.000What do you think that's gonna do to our country here?
00:58:33.000You know, it's like I feel It's like I see a lot of people who get very upset about what they they call the rise of anti-semitism Um, which certainly, you know, according to my Twitter feed is, is real.
00:58:59.000You know, I have a tough time kind of figuring out exactly what it is.
00:59:03.000It's also, um, There's there's a troll aspect to it.
00:59:07.000You know, there's there's when you make one thing the thing that you're not allowed to say and the thing that's gonna get a rise out of everybody.
00:59:15.000There's this has been true and it's been building for for many years kind of the alt right back in the day was kind of the first, you know version of this but where you could be some guy Just act on your computer.
00:59:29.000You could be a 15 year old on your phone or whatever and you could get you know, the New York Times senior editor to be like You know and just the ability to provoke that reaction out of somebody is that's fun shit first Yes, that's and for you're handing this person who has no power like some real kind of power, right?
00:59:51.000I also think that I'm young for young men Today, particularly like young, straight, white men.
00:59:58.000I think it's kind of hard, like for me and you, to even understand the world they grew up in.
01:00:06.000It's very different than the world we grew up, like they grew up in this woke era.
01:00:10.000And okay, now it's kind of like that's receded and wokeism has been defeated.
01:00:13.000But they grew up in a time where racialism was accepted by every powerful institution just against them.
01:00:23.000Right. You know, like it was totally fine to demonize straight white men at your high school, at your college, in your movies, in your TV shows, your politicians, celebrities, everybody.
01:00:33.000And that does, like, it unlocks a certain thing that we kind of all had a gentleman's agreement to not unlock.
01:00:42.000Like, we're just not really going to do that.
01:00:43.000You know, we don't want to be, like, racialists.
01:00:45.000And so that's, I think that's a component to it, too.
01:00:48.000But there's also no question that it's You know, it's exploded since Israel's launched this war on Gaza.
01:00:56.000Yeah, and it's exploded on the left, which you never heard anti-Jewish sentiment in public spaces before.
01:01:04.000You really never saw that on campuses.
01:01:06.000You know, if Israel did something, you may see a protest, but it was generally organic.
01:01:17.000And they're very disruptive and, you know, some universities experience vandalism and fires and crazy shit and people being threatened and doxxed.
01:01:51.000Yeah. And there was that divide goes back like there were leftist divides over the Israel Palestine question going back really to like 1967 where most of the kind of like the black power We're good.
01:02:36.000But so a lot of that has kind of re-emerged.
01:02:38.000Now I do also, you know, I don't know, like I've talked to one kid who was like a grad student at Columbia, which was really like the center of so many of these protests, and he's Jewish.
01:02:55.000And he was like, yeah, they're annoying, and they're Latin, like some of their chants are like real kind of weird, like I don't really know what they mean by it.
01:03:02.000And I was like, well, do you ever feel like threatened or it's like, no, no, it's not like it's fine.
01:03:09.000And then I do know also that they they had at least one time they had like a Seder service with because they got like Jewish people in those protest movements, too.
01:03:18.000And so they over last Passover is a year ago.
01:03:21.000They had like a Seder service with the Jews like in there, too.
01:03:24.000So I also don't I don't know, like, What percentage of them are, like, just against the war and seeing pictures of dead babies and stuff like that?
01:03:32.000What percentage of them are actually, you know, like, harbor resentment toward Jewish people?
01:03:37.000Like, it's kind of hard to measure, but I would just say that, like, it almost in a very similar way to, like, what I was talking about with the drone war against al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.
01:03:50.000It's like, hey, if you want to see less Al Qaeda, maybe stop having the American military kill innocent civilians in their land because that seems to be fueling them.
01:04:00.000And at the same time, for the people who are so concerned about the rise of anti-Semitism, you're like, OK, well, it has exploded since Israel's been doing this to Gaza.
01:04:52.000And he came over here, he testified before Congress in 2002 that we, as a regional expert, No, Muammar Gaddafi and like every single one of these things, not Iran yet, still pushing for that, but we went and overthrew Saddam Hussein.
01:05:15.000We went and overthrew Muammar Gaddafi.
01:05:16.000And I don't know what swept the region, but it wasn't democracy.
01:05:21.000I remember in the early 2000s when I realized there's two Fighting factions of Islam.
01:05:36.000Yeah. No, it's I remember learning it too right around the same time You're telling me there are shirts and skins over there fight against each other Like what do they do?
01:05:44.000You know the difference between Sunni and Shiite?
01:05:47.000I mean, I know that they're different sects of Islam, but like in terms of like the religion itself...
01:05:51.000Is it like the Catholics versus the Protestants?
01:05:54.000Yeah, I think it's something like that.
01:05:55.000Like it's always the people with the like most minor interpretations of their holy book differences who like go to war the most aggressively.
01:06:18.000Especially when you could like read about Jesus and you'd be like, this doesn't seem to be what he's saying at all, man.
01:06:23.000Who's at the helm of this fucking battleship?
01:06:26.000It's unbelievable to me that any, and I'm not claiming to be any type of religious expert and I'm not a Christian, but it is unbelievable to me that anybody could be a Christian and could then like somehow do the mental gymnastics and rationalization to be like, and that's why you got to support every war.
01:06:45.000That's why we've got to fight every single one of these wars.
01:06:48.000Because you know, just like that guy Jesus told us, slaughter women and babies.
01:06:52.000Seems like the opposite of his message, from my humble understanding of it.
01:06:56.000So the argument of that, if you want to take the argument, would be like, you have to do that to protect everyone here.
01:07:04.000Right. Like, we have to go to war with Iran.
01:07:07.000A country that doesn't have nuclear weapons or an Air Force capable of delivering them here.
01:07:12.000And it's so convenient that they're evil.
01:07:14.000So convenient that they torture students and they execute Olympic gold medalists in wrestling because they protested against the government.
01:07:36.000I did a debate at Princeton University a few months back against Josh Hammer, who's an editor at Newsweek, and we did an Oxford-style debate on whether the U.S. should support Israel.
01:07:52.000And one of the things he said to me – so I was talking about all this stuff, like the clean-break strategy in the seven countries in five years, and he was like, oh, the war in Libya, that was a totally separate issue.
01:08:02.000Like, that was like a liberal interventionist war.
01:08:07.000And I was like, well, it sure is a coincidence that it was one of the seven countries.
01:08:14.000That the government we decided to overthrow was the exact government that four-star General Wesley Clark told me we were planning on overthrowing way before any of these claims about how Gaddafi...
01:08:36.000However, for the people that lived there, they got no interest loans, they had incredible infrastructure, their economy's doing well, they were at peace.
01:08:46.000I think it was one of the richest countries in Africa, which is, you know, grating on a curve, but still.
01:08:51.000Then, a few years later, after we helped people, we assisted, it becomes a failed state, and they have slave auctions on YouTube.
01:09:10.000But also, and the other part of this is that this was a huge contributing factor to the migrant crisis in Europe.
01:09:18.000You know, like all these things do have like these domino effects.
01:09:21.000So then Gaddafi also was kind of like not allowing that to happen.
01:09:25.000And then you had these huge numbers of refugees pouring into Europe.
01:09:40.000And we were going over civil unrest and the use of civil unrest.
01:09:47.000One of the things that civil unrest does do really well is it makes people want to have measures to stop civil unrest that ultimately erode liberties.
01:09:57.000So if you want to take away people's guns, take away right to protest, one of the best things to do is to release as many criminals as you can and flood your city with violence and crime.
01:10:09.000The more violence and crime you have, the more people will be freaked out.
01:10:13.000The more people will be freaked out, the more likely they are to give in to new measures of control.
01:10:33.000One thing they've been doing is arresting people for Facebook posts.
01:10:36.000They're arresting people for stepping out of line.
01:10:39.000So they're moving closer and closer to totalitarianism.
01:10:44.000And if you look at the numbers of people, that have been arrested for just Facebook.
01:10:51.000One of them was, someone just got arrested, pulled out of his house at 2 o'clock in the morning for a Facebook post saying that he didn't like the Palestinian flag.
01:11:36.000I think it was 60 Minutes did a piece where they had like three lawyers They were sitting there and like we're kind of like asking them like so would this post be okay?
01:11:46.000Could I say something and they're like well posting it is actually much worse than just saying it and I mean like it is Really creepy.
01:11:53.000It's really creepy, but you're so right you're so spot-on about this kind of like this this like one-two punch of like Destabilization and then government coming in with the solution.
01:12:04.000Yeah, it's a Harry Brown Who was a he's he's deceased now, but he's a brilliant Guy he was like he ran for president on the Libertarian Party in 96 and 2000 But he used to he used to say the the government breaks your leg and then offers you a crutch And then like they convince you to be thankful for the crutch.
01:12:27.000You're like man of this government wasn't here.
01:12:29.000I wouldn't have a crutch I'd be walking around on broken legs, but you see it.
01:12:32.000We're like look even um if you just watch I remember like during 2020 in When the George Floyd thing first happened, and forget whatever the autopsy, there was the one autopsy that said it was fentanyl that killed him.
01:12:46.000Leaving all of that aside, just when the video of Derek Chauvin kneeling on this guy's neck, who's on the ground and crying in pain, and he's kind of smiling, and then the guy dies.
01:12:58.000Everybody I know, I mean it was so unified.
01:13:01.000I knew hardcore right-wingers, you know.
01:13:05.000My Fox News Watching father-in-law remember the day I was at his house the day it happened And he goes every one of those cops should be put in handcuffs on national television And he goes they should all be charged with murder like there was you know that was like you cannot do this and then after the riots started in the summer all those same people were like send in the military and You know what,
01:13:26.000like you just see how like someone could so quickly go from like, you know, we really need some police reform here, like there is too much state power of policing, to then after you see some riots, what are you asking for?
01:13:38.000Yeah, we need the government to come in and crack down, more police power than ever before.
01:13:43.000So you could see like, and that's just like a little scale, but you could see how much that demand, and sometimes Very understandably so like in that example very understandably So because you're like well, I don't know like I'm totally against like the over militarization of the police But when you have these huge riots it cross every major city in the country.
01:14:03.000You're like, well, I guess that's this is the one time We have a reason to have that and then by the way, of course, they don't do anything to stop it Yeah, just let it go.
01:14:11.000It's all it's the the George Floyd one was fascinating because it wasn't a setup It was just an organic moment Where someone was filming some guy who had a guy lean.
01:14:24.000Now, was he on his neck or was he on his shoulder?
01:14:26.000Because I keep hearing people online saying he was on his shoulder.
01:14:38.000You know, if the guy's really pressuring your neck like that, you're going to, like, anybody who thinks that's not a big deal, Get someone who knows how to put weight on the knee leaning on your neck.
01:14:50.000Okay, that will put you to sleep for the most part and that will definitely constrict your breathing depending upon how much weight he actually has on that neck and how strong George Floyd is.
01:15:01.000Now imagine this guy's already fucked up.
01:15:06.000But would he have died without this happening?
01:15:09.000Well, from what I understand, there were two autopsies.
01:15:12.000People want to say it was an overdose.
01:15:15.000Well, it's certainly, he had poor health because of drug abuse, and it certainly must have contributed to it, but are you saying that that wouldn't have a giant effect on someone in poor health?
01:15:29.000Like, if you did that to an old man with emphysema, if you had some guy who's been smoking cigarettes for 50 years, and you got on his neck, He could fucking die right there, whereas if you didn't get on his neck, he'd probably live a long time.
01:15:42.000Right, and you can't say it was the smoking that killed him if it was that.
01:16:24.000Oh, and anybody who's like, If anybody who, like, knows what they're doing, it was grappling anyone who doesn't know what they're doing, they could all one-arm choke you out.
01:16:33.000Yeah, they were saying, oh, he just restrained him.
01:18:52.000And if the if the body cam footage comes out, it's usually much later.
01:18:56.000So it's not kind of like as a media thing.
01:18:59.000Also, usually every single media outlet in the entire United States of America in the middle of a lockdown doesn't play the video on repeat all day, every single day, because there was no reason.
01:19:10.000The thing about George Floyd that was crazy is that there was no reason for it to be a national story and there was no reason for it to be a racial story.
01:20:13.000Just after he was down and taken, they just kept going and kept going.
01:20:17.000But the other thing that I always thought was, like, you kind of...
01:20:22.000The George Floyd thing, it's not like there was, like, any element in there where, like, They were calling him the n-word or there was some type of like racial like thing like it didn't ever seem to me That there was any reason to believe that like had he been a giant white dude Tweaking out on drugs doing the exact same thing.
01:20:40.000It wouldn't have gone the exact same way, right?
01:20:42.000But he wasn't the thing is is a what is post Rodney King?
01:20:47.000It is a white guy on the neck of a black guy, but there was also a Asian cop and a black cop and yeah, but they weren't doing the kneeling and they also got a fair point That is a fair point.
01:21:05.000See what other cops got prosecuted I think it's one of those things where you're supposed to step in and say you get off his back I think that's totally reasonable.
01:21:14.000I mean, yeah, that's you know to be like, hey, listen, he is totally the thing is like I want to know it was he on his Neck the whole time because I had heard that he was also he was on his shoulder and then but that is on his neck So that yeah, I'd have to go watch that horrible video over again.
01:21:34.000I was watching some horrible videos today from Gaza this guy carrying around a headless, baby Showing what happened to his child.
01:21:41.000It's just so fucked another guy was holding a child's arm in his hand Dude, it's it is so it's so level the level of evil That this shit is.
01:21:50.000I mean, you see, I know you've seen it, but you see the drone videos, like the aerial footage of Gaza?
01:22:22.000Three of the cops were found guilty of violating his rights, and one other one pled guilty to aiding and abetting second-degree murder or manslaughter.
01:22:36.000Yeah. Yeah, I think you kind of have, you're a cop, you kind of have a responsibility to stop that.
01:22:41.000And then there's also the level of fentanyl.
01:22:43.000We've discussed this, right, because people keep saying that he died of a fentanyl overdose, but I don't believe the level of fentanyl in his body was enough to give him an overdose.
01:23:28.000He was fucked up, you know, and the levels though, when they were like at the threshold...
01:23:38.000This is from, not the official autopsy, but this is the doctor that did one of them, I think, and he said here, I don't know if you can read that, but...
01:23:44.000Yeah, fentanyl at 11 nanograms per deciliter.
01:23:48.000This is the, this is higher than chronic I don't know what that says.
01:24:06.000Level of 3, so level of 3. He was at 11. So deaths have been certified at a level of 3 nanograms per deciliter.
01:25:56.000Because you should be able to, if you're a cop, you've got to be able to choke people.
01:26:00.000Like if you get some wild, messed up fucking dude and he's attacking cops and he's got his shirt off and fucking swastika's on his chest, you want to strangle that guy.
01:27:19.000And they're just like, okay, license and registration.
01:27:21.000He goes, I actually don't have my license on me.
01:27:23.000And he goes, you're driving without a license?
01:27:25.000All right, sir, I'm going to have to ask you to step out.
01:27:26.000And then just comes out, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, shooting at him and shoots one of the cops.
01:27:30.000The other one gets behind the car, starts shooting back.
01:27:32.000It's like, yeah, no, listen, that's got to be a crazy thing to...
01:27:36.000You know, it's like, um, I remember hearing a baseball player say once that he was like, uh, he goes, the toughest thing about being like, uh, um, in the outfield is that like every, if you think about the game, like every single We're
01:28:11.000And there are expectations when you're, you know, if your salary is paid by the people's taxes, and like you, the standard has to be probably the same thing, I think the standard for fighting wars should be the standard should Do you absolutely have to do this?
01:28:29.000You know, like, if you don't have to...
01:28:51.000And maybe he's asked him to leave and he hasn't.
01:28:52.000We're talking about selling loose cigarettes outside of a store.
01:28:55.000You just don't need to bring this level of violence, you know, to the for this situation.
01:29:01.000And, you know, it's one of the things like I know I thought you were talking about the other day with the Trump deportation stuff where there's like this very it's a it's an interesting moment that we're in right now because you have if you remember in Trump's first term this was one of the biggest kind of like Controversies that he he lost a lot of public support over was the kids in cages,
01:29:29.000right? And okay now they you know, they'd always put kids.
01:29:34.000Yes. They were built under the Obama administration.
01:29:36.000It was kind of bullshit They took some pictures of a kid crawling that didn't wasn't even really about the Trump deportations like, you know, the media lies That's what they do.
01:29:42.000But there is something about you know, like in the in the civil rights movement You know, Martin Luther King and those guys, they picked Birmingham, Alabama.
01:29:55.000And they knew that they were going to get this reaction and that then it could be on TV.
01:30:02.000And they almost forced the American people to watch these young black men in suits and ties have fire hoses and dogs sicced on them.
01:30:11.000And even for the 1960s American person who maybe harbored like Some significant degree of prejudice Even for them just seeing that was like, oh Jesus like yeah, I can't support that You know what?
01:30:28.000I mean and there is something with you know, the the u.s.
01:30:33.000Has had just an insane immigration Policy sit really since 1965, but I mean the Biden immigration, but it was just like the most insane policy Joe Biden seems to me like his at least part of his legacy is he moved the country further right on Immigration than you could have imagined is that super majorities of the American people support mass deportations but Just like there's a difference between being a little bit racist against black people and
01:31:03.000being able to watch You know, cops unleash German shepherds on black dudes in suits and ties.
01:31:08.000It's one thing to kind of believe, I think the people who are here illegally got to go back.
01:31:13.000It's another thing to, like, watch it unfold and see what type of...
01:31:17.000And I'll just say this, like, on the theme of what I was saying, like, earlier about the signal stuff, you know, there were so many efforts to, like, sabotage Donald Trump's first presidency.
01:31:27.000In this moment, if you really want to see mass deportations, which, by the way, we're not seeing, But if you really want to see that, as most Americans do, you've finally won the argument.
01:31:40.000You've now got supermajorities of the American people on your side, and you've elected a president that this is his signature issue.
01:31:45.000The last thing you would want to do Is go round up 234 of them with no due process and send them to the most notorious, brutal prison in El Salvador.
01:32:21.000But here's the problem that bothers me.
01:32:23.000Quotas. I had a friend who was a cop who would tell me about quotas for speeding tickets back when they weren't supposed to tell people about that.
01:33:17.000They had this unofficial, official police slowdown, where they were upset about something.
01:33:25.000I can't remember the exact story, but it was the head of the police union said that he was like, we will only be enforcing violent Crimes it was not doing this other frisk.
01:33:37.000Yes. It was over the stop-and-frisk controversy And they're kind of like, oh you guys want to all call his race it which already I thought was so hilarious I used to have a joke in my act about this many years ago But where is just like that was the threat from cops was like we're only gonna arrest violent criminals, you know That's probably what you should be doing to begin with.
01:33:52.000Yeah, and so then like all these and everything was fine, by the way.
01:33:55.000I There wasn't a rise in violent crime.
01:34:15.000It's crazy that they write tickets like tickets are kind of nuts You know, it's like you have to give us money because you went too fast Well, I've always that's the incentive that everybody there everyone agrees.
01:34:33.000Yeah. Well, right people find a way I always thought there was something really unfair that Some I've heard some progressives talk about this, but it never seemed to like get that much traction But there is something about like a giving a ticket.
01:34:47.000That's like, you know what it just seems so regressive in terms of like a Like it's so much more punitive toward poor people and working-class people.
01:34:58.000Oh, yeah Then it is toward the well, and it's the same number for all of that.
01:36:54.000You really gotta, you can't, and you can't just put a Craigslist ad up or whatever, like I'm sure you gotta go through some sketchy channels to get there.
01:37:01.000And now this Tom Holman guy sending everybody across the border, you can't even get the Mexicans to do it anymore.
01:37:05.000Jesus. I mean, that guy is, it is funny where like, he's, I get where he's kind of like the guy you'd want if you're like, we're a hard, we gotta, we need a hard ass in here to do this, but when you do start getting these concerns about due process, I mean, his response It was in some interview where they were asking him about due process for the people he's deporting and he's like, um, uh, what's the girl?
01:37:28.000Where was a good due process for Lake and Riley?
01:38:12.000And that was his best line at his State of the Union, where it was like the Democrats kept saying we needed legislation to close the border.
01:38:18.000Turns out we just needed a new president.
01:38:21.000Like it is unbelievable how it went from record high border crossings under Biden to record low border crossings over Donald Trump.
01:38:28.000And I do think that so much of that is just that it's a real difficult journey.
01:38:32.000And if people feel like, oh, Trump's in there.
01:38:34.000Obviously we're not gonna be allowed in and they just won't go through it.
01:38:38.000I also do think that Donald Trump is fundamentally correct with his idea that like you don't have a nation if you don't have borders like you can't listen the the the idea at least I'm not saying this is really how it works but the idea is that we're a free country because we have self-government and in other words the American people get to decide how many people we bring in here and how many we don't and that it's at this point Nobody actually knows the number for sure, but it is north of 30 million illegal immigrants in the country.
01:39:07.000But my god, if you wanted to start deporting people who are legal residents, who are not violent criminals, because they wrote a pro-Palestinian op-ed, you're diving into the most contentious issue and then picking one side of that?
01:39:24.000This just seems like it's almost as if you're trying to poison the possibility to ever really have Mass deportations.
01:39:32.000It just seems so counterproductive by his own stated goals.
01:39:36.000Well, there's so many layers of it that are hard to unpack for the average person.
01:39:41.000What's really hard to unpack, especially for like tried and true blue no matter who Democrats, is this idea that they were bringing people into this country, moving them into swing states, getting them on Social Security, giving them money and incentives and all sorts of government programs that would get them Eventually to be voters.
01:40:01.000Yeah. And these voters would vote for that party and you'd have a unit party.
01:40:05.000So in that sense, that's the big one that a lot of people that are left-wing people have a really hard time swallowing.
01:40:25.000do that as a big fuck you to New York for the government to turning a blind eye to the problem at the border and saying, "Okay, you think this isn't a problem?
01:40:34.000I'm going to send this problem to you." Yeah.
01:41:20.000So the Roosevelt's an iconic hotel in New York City and they get paid by the federal government or they did get paid by the federal government to house immigrants there.
01:41:30.000And they give them food and they give them money.
01:42:14.000Yeah, and look, I'll say, I know this, because I'm like, you know, this is, I guess one of the benefits of getting older and paying attention to this shit is like, I can remember shit from 15, 20 years ago.
01:42:32.000Joy Reid and Rachel Maddow and all, they used to call it the Browning of America, and they used to openly brag about how the Democrat will have super permanent majorities.
01:42:44.000Forever. Because look like, hey, you old dying white Republicans, like, sorry, that's it for you, because the Latinos vote overwhelmingly for Democrat, and we're going to be a majority minority country, and then a majority Hispanic country, and then the Democrats rule the day forever.
01:42:59.000So this is just, you know, Mitt Romney or whoever's running for president right now, this is the dying throes of the end of a...
01:43:05.000But then, when people started objecting to that policy, And they called it the Browning of America, and then when people objected to it, they would call it the Great Replacement, or whatever, and then they'd go, you're not allowed to say that!
01:43:18.000And you're like, but I just heard you saying it, like five years ago I heard you saying it.
01:43:22.000You can't use the term replacement theory.
01:43:24.000Yeah, and so there was this weird, and then there was also the One of the other big tells of this was the way they attempted, which really failed, but the way they attempted to make voter ID like a toxic racist policy, which was so, I mean the logic of it just collapses on itself because if it's, first of all, it seems like some bigotry of low expectations to imply that black people are like Just can't figure out how to get ID.
01:43:52.000Do you remember Kathy Hochul saying that they don't know what computers are?
01:44:02.000Fucking human being has a computer in their pocket.
01:44:04.000It was the black dude who made that video.
01:44:06.000It was the funniest guy Yeah, I think you sent it to me, but he was like there was like a computer and he comes around Like trying to bite it and stuff too is so goddamn funny where you're like, that's literally what you're saying Like, I don't know and it's like spliced like on the left side of it Kids they don't know what a computer is.
01:44:27.000Well, but then I mean like just you know, just like using the most basic logic You'd be like, okay.
01:44:31.000Wait a minute, but like So if requiring ID is racist, then like, we got some other really big problems in this country that we should be looking at like that.
01:44:38.000Well, not only that, but it's in the direct memory, the recent memory of everybody needing ID because you had to prove that you got the COVID vaccine.
01:45:14.000Overwhelmingly skeptical about this new vaccine.
01:45:16.000And here, me and you got called out by Anthony Fauci and Joe Biden for fucking being right, for being absolutely right.
01:45:23.000It's so wild, too, that that was only Three years ago or four years ago when you said that your advice to young people was to just be really healthy and that was like a national controversy that you just think about how upside down it was also people doing the man's job for the man.
01:45:44.000It was everybody piled on, like everybody, and especially once you got the shot yourself, you're like, I did the right thing, because you knew it was risky.
01:45:55.000Anytime you get medication, you know it's risky.
01:45:58.000Anytime you get some pharmaceutical drug in your system, not to mention some completely novel new way where it turns your entire body into a vaccine or an immunity-producing Spike protein factory the most by the way, which is the most toxic aspect of getting the disease is the spike protein So your body's gonna produce it itself What?
01:46:22.000PhDs are like And it was also way past Way way way past the point where we had already figured out that like if you weren't Very old and very sick.
01:46:36.000Yeah statistically had almost no chance of like a more importantly we had Very long ago realized it wasn't a threat at all to kids Yeah, so there was no justification whatsoever to force kids to get vaccinated and yet we did it in California did it they did it to schools they did it everywhere and The fact that they pulled that off and then a couple years later.
01:47:10.000I mean, listen, obviously, this is, like, there's a reason for all of this.
01:47:14.000It's not, they didn't just pick showing your ID voting and decide to make this the issue that they harped on and tried to pretend you were somehow racist or you were somehow infringing on voting rights by requiring an ID.
01:47:26.000And so, look, like, this did A couple things happened.
01:47:31.000Number one, it totally turned public opinion against this level of crazy immigration.
01:47:38.000And number two, I mean, Donald Trump ended up winning a bigger percentage of the Latino vote than I believe any Republican in my life, which is really...
01:47:52.000I think Tony Inchcliffe, he might have gotten him more votes!
01:47:55.000Listen, nobody takes a joke better than Puerto Ricans.
01:47:58.000By the way, there is something really funny about that where, and this has been a theme for years in the country, but really Tony was a great example of that, but where like You know, for all their talk about diversity and anti-racism and all of this, what they always seem to do is try to impose white lady values on minorities.
01:48:56.000Well, there's exceptions for sure, but Puerto Ricans are known, like, if you grow up around Puerto Ricans, they're fun and they talk a lot of shit.
01:49:06.000So it's like you're trying to, you know, there's something about it that was always like, it's always the liberal push for diversity is always like, We want different shades of people in our culture.
01:49:34.000They go after black Republicans so hard.
01:49:37.000Even harder, I think, than they go after a lot of white Republicans.
01:49:40.000Oh, in some cases, much more viciously.
01:49:44.000Yeah. I mean, and I think by, you know, we talked about Candace Owens before, that's part of what her freaking, you know, boot camp before pissing off all the Israeli supporters was, is that she's already been through the fire.
01:49:55.000Yeah. She's been an outspoken black female conservative.
01:49:58.000And that's like, they really hate that because they do kind of view you as like, which is fucked up in a way, but it really is kind of like, you're They decided that they're the champion of women and black people and therefore if you're a black woman, it's your responsibility to support These liberal white women.
01:51:20.000But there was something so interesting about like, His Tucker appearance, the backlash against it, the fact that it did absolutely nothing to harm him and his podcast just shot up on all the charts and now more people than ever are listening to his stuff.
01:51:34.000Yeah. There is like, and I do, I've seen a lot of this and I've gotten into some arguments with some, like, Constantine Kassin.
01:51:45.000But there are like, there, there, Are these woke tactics now that are being used by many people who have been opposing wokeism for a very long time, and I think it's interesting how much people have woken up to that, no pun intended, but how much people like kind of recognize that now, and that stuff has just been rejected, and even like on the most basic level.
01:52:07.000The thing, first of all, the fact that there was such an outrage for what Daryl Cooper said on Tucker Carlson's podcast already proves the point.
01:52:14.000It already proves the point that you're like, yeah, this is insane.
01:52:17.000This is insane that this, like, you're not even, you can't even, like, have a conversation about these things without this massive pile on.
01:52:26.000Not only that, these pejoratives that get stuck on him, that got stuck on me for platforming him.
01:52:32.000I read Joe Rogan had a Nazi apologist and Holocaust denier.
01:52:42.000I think they said Holocaust skeptic I forget what what term they used but none of those things are true and none of them I mean, he's got this big I'm very excited for it But he's he's putting together this big piece on World War two and like none of them are gonna come back and go Oh, yeah, I got it wrong.
01:52:57.000No, they're not doing that at all They've were they would have listened to fear and loathing in the New Jerusalem Well, I said this to I said this to Constantine when we were arguing about it on Twitter and I go listen, dude I go listen just take I called it my non woke challenge I think we're good.
01:53:22.000I forget the title of it, but it took from the history where Fear and Loathing left off up to like the 80s.
01:53:27.000And there was a it started like around Or maybe it was part of Fionn Lothing.
01:53:33.000But anyway, he had a half hour chunk that was on the Jews suffering in World War II.
01:53:37.000And I was like, so listen to these two half hours, and you tell me if it is conceivably possible that a Jew-hating Nazi sympathizer could have ever put this out.
01:53:49.000And I was like, oh, then we can't talk anymore, Matt.
01:53:51.000Not in general, but I was like, we can't talk about this anymore.
01:53:55.000But I think there's something almost more simple that was like, look, if you listen to what Daryl said, On Tucker's podcast.
01:54:02.000He essentially goes, he goes, you know, I say this sometimes to get a rise out of my buddy, who's like an Anglo-Saxon, and I'm kind of being hyperbolic when I say it, but I kind of say it to prod, but in some ways I think Churchill was the real villain of the war.
01:54:16.000Now, he didn't commit the most atrocities, I'm not saying he was the worst person there, but I think he's primarily responsible for this not being maybe like a little conflict in Poland and turning into like the big bloodbath that it did.
01:54:27.000Okay. Say whatever you will about that.
01:54:51.000And you could take out all that other content.
01:54:52.000But any honest person looking at that just goes like, no, that's not what he said.
01:54:57.000You know, and I was on Piers Morgan's show, one more shout out to Piers, but even when he played the clip, he cut out all that context and just played the part where he says the real villain was Churchill.
01:55:09.000And you're like, I think people have, after so many years of this being the constant tactic to like, it's like, Pete, there's a giant rejection of that.
01:55:22.000I think a lot of that has to do with Trump winning.
01:55:24.000Again, I mean, there's other factors involved, too.
01:55:26.000But I do just think it's like these woke tactics of like where you call everyone who disagrees with you a racist or a bigot or this is just not like we're not playing that game anymore.
01:55:36.000Or at least it seems like most people aren't playing that game anymore.
01:56:04.000Well, let me listen to a show and then the show shoots up to number one Yeah, you know and it shot up to number one again after he was on my podcast the same kind of thing It's like it's a fucking great show.
01:56:13.000It's a great show and it's not It's not just great about Israel.
01:56:17.000It's not just great about World War II.
01:56:19.000His fucking thing on Jim Jones is insane.
01:56:58.000Then he's hopped up on meth, he's out of his fucking mind, now he's in Guyana, and he's got a whole group of people with him, and he talks them all into killing themselves.
01:57:06.000And the ones who don't, he kills them.
01:57:08.000And yeah, it's a crazy tragedy, but what Daryl Cooper does is long-form We're good.
01:57:19.000it from an editorial aspect because it's opinion, but it's also information that he's citing his sources.
01:57:28.000Put yourself in these people's shoes, which is what he does, which is essentially his only like demand.
01:57:36.000His only demand is like, listen, you have to, if you're going to listen to my word, you have to do your absolute best to put yourself in these person's shoes and then put yourself in the other side.
01:57:45.000Fear and loathing in New Jerusalem starts out with Jews being persecuted.
01:57:50.000Imagine these people are your neighbors.
01:57:52.000And he brings you through this horrific scenario that absolutely did happen to some Some of the people there and you don't it's it's cool the way I mean I don't know spoiler alert or whatever it's just the beginning but it's so good but like you almost don't know what he's talking about it first like is this a Palestinian getting fucked over is this because the story's about you know going in this isn't going to be about the creation of the state of Israel or whatever but then you realize like oh no this is a Jew in Eastern Europe going through a pogrom and I will say this right as somebody who is Fairly
01:58:23.000well read on the subject compared to like the layman not compared to Daryl Cooper.
01:58:27.000There's levels to this shit It's like I used to think Rich Franklin was the best striker in the world and then Anderson Silva fought him and you're like, okay, he is not but Franklin was great, but Anderson Silva was amazing, but Listening to that series, it made me much more sympathetic to the Israelis, if I'm being honest.
01:58:43.000And I know I've heard that from other people, too.
01:58:45.000But it does, because Daryl insists on doing that, like, look, it's real, it's easy.
01:58:50.000Now, I'm not saying, I'm not saying this is an excuse for anything.
01:58:52.000Like, the Nakba in 1947-1948 is horrible.
01:58:57.000It was a giant ethnic cleansing campaign, you know?
01:59:00.000Okay. But, if you do put this into context, you know, like, the year's 1947.
01:59:07.000Okay, first of all, just think about, like, even the attitudes of 1947 that you know of, like, you know, just in terms of racism and things like that.
01:59:17.000Like, very different attitudes in 1947.
01:59:20.000Also, you're two years removed from the end of World War II, where the, quote, good guys in the story, or the winners in the story, are like Truman, Who just firebombed Tokyo, dropped two nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the bombing of Dresden, the bombing of Berlin.
01:59:43.000Joseph Stalin is in the process, as this is happening, of ethnically cleansing millions of ethnic Germans all throughout Eastern Europe.
01:59:53.000This is only a couple years after Stalin's army raped their way through Europe, you know what I mean?
01:59:57.000And then, of course, There's the atrocities of the Nazis, and you're the Jewish people who just went through this Holocaust, and all of this is in the background, and you're gonna say, you're telling me we can't move a few hundred thousand people off their land to create our new state?
02:00:09.000Like, who's gonna fucking morally lecture us about doing this little thing here?
02:00:13.000You know, and like, I'm not saying any of that excuses it, and it wasn't the Palestinians' fault that any of that happened, and so like, but like, It is worthwhile.
02:00:21.000Like, that's what doing history should be, right?
02:00:23.000It should be like understanding that these were real human beings.
02:00:28.000Now, they may have done monstrous shit, but like there was something, you know, going on there.
02:00:35.000And there was kind of like, you know, it's, I think it's just beneficial to understand all of that stuff.
02:00:41.000And, you know, Menachem Begin, who is like the worst, I mean, like was a straight up terrorist.
02:00:48.000I mean, and in that series, if you remember, he talks a lot about, like, how the evil shit that Menachem Begin and the Ergon and the Stern Gang and the Haganah, all the shit they did.
02:00:59.000And they were just straight-up terrorists.
02:01:02.000Terrorism, in order to drive out an occupying force, you can't make this shit up, is the What led to the creation of Israel and now they're like, you know universally regarded as terrorist groups Oh, you self-admitted terrorist groups like we're committing acts of terrorists There were debates about whether we should embrace terrorism or not and the side saying we should embrace terrorism won the day This is how Haim Weitzman.
02:01:25.000He was supposed to be the David Ben-Gurion.
02:01:26.000He was the number one ranked Zionist at the time and he stood up and was like yo, we can't do this.
02:01:32.000We can't embrace terrorism like his thing was like We can't achieve a Jewish state by un-Jewish means, which he considered terrorism to be.
02:01:44.000But even him, there was this one point, which I had never heard before, but I learned it from Daryl Cooper's series.
02:01:49.000I think it was probably one of the things that stuck with me the most was that, if you remember, it's right toward the end.
02:01:55.000It's when they're doing the King David hotel bombing and they're doing all this terrorism to try to drive the British out.
02:02:02.000And at one point, the British like of like the the british soldiers and they fucking flogged the shit out of them and then killed them and then booby-trapped the bodies so that it fucking blew up more people when they came to try to get it back and that now he's a wanted man at
02:02:33.000this time Menachem Begin so he's like living underground and so he then he did like a radio address and in his radio address he was like uh he said something like he was like hey just so you know jews don't get flogged anymore we do the flogging now and look this guy was a bad guy He was a fucking terrorist.
02:02:51.000But there is something so badass about that, that there is a part of you that's just like, whoo!
02:02:56.000Like, you can kind of understand a people going through this fucking collective struggle and then getting to a point where they're like, we will be the ones inflicting struggle from now on.
02:03:09.000Right. And I, you know, look, I still come out on the side that I think Israel's treatment of the Palestinians is horrible and inexcusable, and I favor a two-state solution.
02:03:17.000I think America should stop funding Israel.
02:03:19.000But I think it's nothing but beneficial to kind of like understand that perspective a little bit more.
02:03:24.000And even though I kind of grew up on the pro-Israel propaganda and then ultimately rejected it, That was Daryl's effect on me, was being like, ah, you know, there is like, I'm seeing the humanity in the Israeli side a little bit more.
02:03:37.000So give me a fucking break about these people saying like he's some fucking neo-Nazi drumming up Jew hatred.
02:04:20.000And then I also think that it's almost like, it's very obvious, I think, if you're looking at it with clear eyes, that it's like, look, like, okay, look, Look, I'm Jewish, and I don't wish to see a rise in people hating Jewish people.
02:04:38.000But if you're going to say that anybody who criticizes the government of Israel or anybody who criticizes the Israeli lobby and the unbelievable influence that that has over our government, and you're going to label all of them as anti-Semites.
02:04:58.000I would think that it would be wiser to at least be thankful that there are people who are not Jew-haters who are pointing this out, rather than just leaving it to all the Jew-haters to be the only ones who are pointing this out.
02:05:10.000Like, you know, it's like, you think Daryl Cooper is, like, okay, like, what's your goal here?
02:05:26.000I mean, this is the problem with suppression.
02:05:31.000It's essentially a version of the same problem of creating terrorists.
02:05:35.000You attack because you think you're going to stop the terrorism, you just create more terrorism.
02:05:39.000You think you're going to stop people from expanding the narrative and talking outside of these borders that you've clearly established for how people are able to discuss certain sensitive topics?
02:05:53.000You're just going to make people realize that there's a third rail and they don't understand why there's a third rail.
02:05:59.000And then they start looking into it and they go, oh, how much influence does Israel have on our country?
02:06:03.000And then they start asking those kind of questions.
02:06:05.000And this gives way to the rise of anti-Semitism.
02:06:09.000There's Suppression of people's ability to talk about very polarizing topics like Gaza Suppression of that is a cause of anti-semitism because people stop start thinking like is there some sort of grand plan?
02:06:24.000To control us and keep me from being able to talk about something that clearly is in the news every day It seems like a big issue.
02:06:30.000Yeah. Well, there's also You know, to think, literally, this is my origin story of being the guy that I am now, being obsessed with all this stuff, was seeing Ron Paul versus Rudy Giuliani in 2007 at the Republican primary debate,
02:06:48.000and Rudy Giuliani's arguing about how the terrorists hate us for our freedom, and then Ron Paul, who I'd never heard of, just like this country doctor from Texas with an R next to his name, starts going like, you know, they don't hate us for our freedom.
02:07:02.000They hate us because we're over there.
02:07:04.000Like, how would we feel if somebody else was doing to us what we're doing to them?
02:07:08.000And then Rudy Giuliani is like, yeah, that's a pretty absurd explanation that the reason they did 9-11 is because we were bombing Iraq.
02:07:16.000And he goes, I've heard a lot of absurd explanations for 9-11, and I've never heard anything that ridiculous.
02:07:21.000Which, by the way, Was in Osama bin Laden's declaration of war on America so like to be like I've never heard of this is not quite the brag or flex that you think it is men Ron Paul just fucking schooled him and was like, you know He was like, you know who came up with the term blowback the CIA because it's a real thing There is blowback and if we think we can go around the world and do whatever we want to people and that's not going to incite hatred We do that at our own peril like let's be hot but for whatever reason for
02:07:50.000me It was always kind of just easy to connect that.
02:07:54.000Like, I remember, you remember there was the scene in Good Will Hunting where, like, at the end when he breaks him and he's like, it's not your fault, it's not your fault, and he starts crying.
02:08:04.000But he finally gets him to start talking about the abuse he went through in his childhood.
02:08:09.000And Matt Damon's character is talking about it.
02:08:11.000And he's like, oh, he used to lay like a stick, a belt and a wrench on the table and tell me to pick.
02:08:19.000And Robin Williams was like, I'd have to go with the stick on that one.
02:08:24.000And he goes, I used to pick the wrench.
02:08:25.000And he was like, why would you pick the wrench?
02:08:29.000And like, OK, there's something about that that was always very easy for me to understand.
02:08:34.000Like you just get to a point where it's like, yeah, because fuck you.
02:08:38.000It's like why would some Palestinian who's Let's say there's an Israeli who kicks him out of his house that his grandfather built, that his family's been living in for a hundred years.
02:08:49.000And now that Israeli guy is living in his house.
02:08:52.000And you're watching from like a refugee camp, this guy live in your house.
02:08:55.000And as Daryl says in the series, he goes, now you have no means by which to give that house back to your grandmother.
02:09:02.000But you could burn that house to the fucking ground.
02:09:05.000And like it's easy to look there and go, but why would you do that?
02:09:17.000There's always like reactionary movements.
02:09:20.000And like, so again, like this, it's say, okay, yes, you're going to sit here and for fucking 15 years, tell young white men that they're toxic and they're the problem.
02:09:29.000And their masculinity is inherently wrong.
02:09:32.000What do you think's gonna come out of that?
02:09:34.000And then, like, the same people are like, where did this Andrew Tate guy pop up from?
02:09:40.000If you wanted to make him, you couldn't have done a better job.
02:09:42.000Look, that's the whole fucking story of the Nazis to begin with, that we imposed the Treaty of Versailles and insisted on internationally humiliating these people and crushing them.
02:09:51.000And then, fuck, where'd these Nazis come from?
02:09:59.000Do you think we're gonna learn more now?
02:10:02.000I mean you have to realize if you're thinking about history This is the first time where people have this kind of access to all the different layers That are in operation all over the world and if you're paying attention and most people aren't but if you're paying attention you have a much broader understanding of all the things that are at play than ever before and And how these things could be avoided.
02:10:27.000And I think that's one of the reasons why people were excited about Trump getting into office when he was saying, I can stop that war in one day.
02:11:12.000I think COVID is the biggest single one.
02:11:15.000You know, I think that there was something about imposing such draconian measures We're good.
02:11:33.000against it, but it's a different thing than like instituting totalitarianism in the United States of America, which lockdowns were objectively.
02:11:42.000They did it not only it's not just that they got it all wrong.
02:11:45.000It's that it was you know They were fucking lying like you motherfuckers made the thing and you knew you did and then you covered it up like there It's even now this is like everywhere It's like the shit that we used to talk about a few years ago.
02:11:57.000That was like the controversial, you know conversations Everyone's talking about him now.
02:12:01.000It was just Bill Maher the other day brought up that like, you know How crazy is it that we figured out that British intelligence in March of 2020 said that I forget what it was, but they said with 85 5% certainty this came from the lab, you know, and then so they did all of this and they got it completely wrong And they were so full of shit that that's kind of that spells been broken people see this now I do think you're right that there was like a tremendous Look,
02:12:28.000you know as Ron Paul used to always say the peace candidate always wins I mean like if you in the year 2000 George W Bush He campaigned on a humble foreign policy, no nation building, not being the policeman of the world with our military.
02:12:50.000And then in 2004, John Kerry refused to run against the war, and that's why he wasn't able to win.
02:12:55.000And then in 2008, Barack Obama ran on a peace campaign, destroyed Hillary Clinton in the primary, who had all the institutional money, all the big support behind her, but she had voted for the war in Iraq.
02:13:06.000And Obama said, hey, that was a big mistake.
02:13:08.000You can't give her the presidency when she made such a big mistake.
02:13:43.000But the battle of public opinion on that has been won.
02:13:46.000And then I do think Even though Jamie told us before the show started that there is now they're saying Elon Musk is gonna be stepping away from doge soon and And yes, it's true that doge didn't actually get any drastic cuts through but it is amazing what they have done in terms of like Bringing to the cultural forefront the issue of how corrupt government is and so anyway that my long-term thing is that I think I think corrupt regimes,
02:14:16.000which unfortunately we live under one, I think they are completely dependent on propaganda.
02:14:49.000It could go a bunch of different ways.
02:14:51.000And there's also examples of it going sideways, like what's happening in the UK and what's happening in other parts of Europe, where the totalitarian measures are ramping up.
02:15:07.000And I think that's a shiny example of the difference between what we tolerate in America Having the First Amendment, having that freedom of speech, and then also having the Second Amendment, the ability to back that up.
02:15:18.000You know, people are, oh, you're going to use your...
02:15:20.000I mean, I remember even Biden was talking about that.
02:15:22.000You're going to fight a fucking jet with your rifles?
02:15:36.000Well, it's so stupid, too, because, number one, the Taliban just did that to you, sir.
02:15:41.000Like literally you just pulled out in disgrace of a war that you couldn't win against a bunch of illiterate goat herders with rifles So we left behind Billions of weapons.
02:15:52.000We got a lot more rifles now and they go on parades with them Yeah, where they're driving tanks down the street and flying over fucking Blackhawks, but the but of course the point is that well Yes, if if the US military decided to nuke its own, you know population yes you're right our guns wouldn't do any good but the point is that that's not what they're trying to do they're trying to rule us and like yeah of course having guns like i look i don't know by the way let's say like the the jews and
02:16:21.000in nazi germany had had been well armed would that have been enough to stop the holocaust or like if the ukrainians had been well armed would that have been enough to stop the genocide that stalin inflicted on them or whatever but i'd be better they are than not Like, I don't know.
02:16:38.000Like, yeah, it might at least give them a second to go like, well, we can't go, you know.
02:16:43.000And the truth is, like, if you were to just think the state that we're in right now, it's like, let's say they were just like tomorrow, some leader was like, we're rounding up all the guns in Texas.
02:16:58.000You'll have a civil war on your hands.
02:17:00.000Like, these people are not giving up their guns voluntarily, and the thing about people who won't give up their guns voluntarily is if you try to force them to it, they have guns.
02:17:07.000Especially if they think you're gonna shoot them.
02:17:23.000Who tend to lean right wing and tend to like guns and the Second Amendment.
02:17:27.000Yeah. Who may not be so keen on, you know, taking away the Second Amendment.
02:17:30.000No, and they'll understand that this is a totalitarian measure and that what's going to happen is it's going to be the collapse of what we understand of as America.
02:17:38.000We just, America is, we think of America in terms of our ability to express ourselves first and our ability to defend ourselves.
02:17:46.000Yeah. No, that's why it's number one and number two.
02:17:48.000And it's not to say that this is the entire reason, because obviously there's many different variables and factors and it's a complicated history.
02:17:57.000But a huge part of the reason why America is the most prosperous, most successful country and has largely been the freest country in the history of the world is because of that.
02:18:07.000Because the first thing we enshrined in our Bill of Rights was like, listen, man, the government is—and it's not You know, it's not what the people are allowed to do.
02:18:16.000It's what the government is not allowed to do to the people.
02:18:20.000Period. You know, like this is like, it's the fact that this is the only country in the history of the world that was started on that premise and then has gone on to be the most dominantly successful country in the history of the world is not a coincidence.
02:18:41.000And we're in the middle of it right now.
02:18:43.000We're in the middle of it in a weird, transitionary time, where things are being exposed at a level that have never been exposed before, and people have an understanding of how corrupt this system is in a way they've never been able to fully comprehend before.
02:18:58.000You have an uncle that tells you, you know what they do, is the CIA sends people.
02:19:02.000Uncle's crazy, that guy's out of his fucking mind.
02:19:04.000Then Mike Benz explains it to you, and shows you charts and graphs, and people are like, brings up articles and has classified documents that have been released and he's showing you those like yeah yeah yeah well I mean his stuff and I mean look like the the Jeffrey Epstein stuff I mean it's just like again in every in every Yeah,
02:19:31.000drinks and crap food with food stamps.
02:19:35.000And then you realize, oh, wait, look, these companies like Coca-Cola and Pepsi have actually donated to the American Heart Association.
02:19:43.000And evidently some Twitter influencers, too.
02:19:49.000They're taking in that big Pepsi money, and then they're going, it is an assault on liberty to tell people they cannot buy Pepsi.
02:19:58.000So many people that have prominent X accounts and prominent...
02:20:05.000They all said the same thing, and they're probably being paid.
02:20:08.000Because a bunch of people were being paid to support Kamala Harris.
02:20:11.000And there was a bunch of people that exposed that, they showed the emails that they got, we were invited to do this, and you would get paid a considerable amount of money to make some sort of a statement saying that you would vote for that person.
02:20:24.000And I guess they said, well, if you have 500,000 followers here and a million followers there, and you add all those up and you give this guy 25 grand, this guy 50 grand, and you give Beyonce 11 million.
02:20:36.000By the way, I hear constantly people, when they attack me on Twitter, that I'm getting Russian money or Qatari money.
02:20:42.000I've never got a goddamn check from any of them.
02:21:41.000For me, from my perspective, and I'm sure much more for you, but from my perspective, as somebody who's a regular and a good friend of yours and has been on the show many times, I get constantly, people always come up to me and say, what's Joe Rogan really like?
02:21:54.000Which is always an interesting question to me, because it's like, and I always say, my answer is always, I go, but you already know.
02:22:02.000Like you already know what Joe Rogan's like if you watch the show you already know what row it's more of that like I don't know it's that or you know like I'm not saying like there's not like any element of like something you might tell a close friend that you wouldn't say publicly but like generally speaking and this is true by the way almost with all of my favorite comedians you know people be like what was Patrice O'Neill like you're like Patrice O'Neill yeah exactly the guy you saw he was that a lot more of that same goes is exactly like that it's just always the case but But it was really interesting,
02:22:29.000at least, I don't know, it was just so entertaining for me after this last election when it was almost like they finally had to admit the power that you have.
02:22:37.000You know, because like for all those years, and we would always make fun of it over the years, but like Brian Stelter would be on CNN and he'd be like, the fringe Joe Rogan is over here.
02:22:55.000You know, like, but It's almost like they had to admit after this last election, they're like, oh, and then the way they start going, well, we need our own Joe Rogan or we did our own this.
02:23:41.000Which I think is more like, you know, I mean, I think, I mean, I think generally speaking, like, you know, as you've always said, you're kind of a mix of like some kind of more sympathetic to left-wing ideas, some more sympathetic to right-wing ideas, some sympathetic to libertarian ideas.
02:23:54.000But it's just so, especially like if you just know the people involved, like describe you and Theo Vaughn.
02:24:56.000But the thing, it's such a funny thing, because it is almost like, it's like a...
02:25:01.000You know, it's like somebody in a marriage, you know, like the corporate media, I'd say, they're like in a marriage and they're just lying through their teeth to their spouse.
02:25:28.000And like, I don't know, like, it's just like this The thing is, the big secret is that you're authentic and just say what you mean and invite the people on who you're interested in talking to.
02:25:38.000And that, that was like the antidote to your insane, tyrannical bullshit.
02:25:44.000It's also that I started it not for money.
02:25:46.000I started it for fun and it didn't make money for years.
02:26:39.000People have tried to buy percentages of the show and give me large sums of money.
02:26:43.000And I'm like, yeah, yeah, I'm glad you didn't make that decision.
02:26:48.000Once you have fuck you money, you better say fuck you.
02:26:50.000Because if you don't, you're ruining one of the most beautiful gifts the universe can bestow upon a person, to never be beholden to money anymore.
02:27:06.000Tucker Carlson said about me once, and I thought it was one of the best compliments I've ever gotten, and it really meant a lot to Tucker, who's someone I really admire a lot, but it was, I think, Patrick, but David, if I'm remembering correctly, he was on as, and it was before, like the debate with Cuomo had been announced, but it was before it happened.
02:27:23.000And Patrick was like, how do you think that's gonna go?
02:27:26.000And Tucker was like, look man, he's like, the thing about Dave is he is just totally unencumbered by any restraints.
02:27:35.000You know, like there's no, I mean, I think what he meant was just like, there's no one who's like cutting his check.
02:27:40.000There's no one who's like, there's nothing that holds him back.
02:27:42.000Like I get to do the biggest show in the world a lot because you like what I have to say.
02:28:14.000The fact that Trump did the show got such a great response from it.
02:28:19.000Kamala Harris refused and then tried to get you to change what the show was and then obviously in hindsight like, oh, you know, the conventional wisdom is you really should have done that.
02:28:28.000The new normal now going forward for presidential elections is gonna be that the expectation is that you can, and not just your show, I'm not saying like you have to have the candidates on every single four years, although I think you should, but that's your choice obviously, But the new expectation, the expectation used to be that two or three times a presidential candidate is going to have to go do one of these CNN debates where they will be asked these like very narrow questions.
02:29:43.000These guys are not, because they were not built for that.
02:29:46.000The future is going to be guys like J.D. Vance, guys like Vivek Ramaswamy, guys like Bobby Kennedy, Tulsi Gabbard, and by the way, Maybe the Democrats will find somebody in there, you know?
02:29:56.000You wouldn't have predicted Donald Trump in 2012.
02:30:30.000We'll probably hear that and reach out to you.
02:30:32.000Look, I will give him credit for this.
02:30:33.000He is at least smart enough that, like, that is the move, is to go do a podcast and start interacting and try to figure out...
02:30:40.000I think the issue that Gavin Newsom has is he is a very talented old school politician.
02:30:45.000And I think that that archetype has been rejected.
02:30:50.000Yeah. And that's going to be very tough.
02:30:52.000I think that going forward, like, you know, you saw I don't know if you saw recently a few weeks ago, Bernie Sanders and AOC had like a few big rallies.
02:31:01.000And they're drawn like, you know, tens of thousands of people to these.
02:31:04.000Now, I don't think either of them are going to be the nominee.
02:31:06.000I don't think they're really drawing those people.
02:33:20.000You have to be someone who's independent.
02:33:21.000That's the only way you could do real journalism today.
02:33:23.000There's just too many fucking guardrails.
02:33:25.000Glenn Greenwald, who is debatably the greatest journalist of the 21st century, and maybe I'd give it to Julian Assange, but he's up there, he had to leave the publication that he was a founder Yeah, yeah.
02:33:56.000That's another thing that's really interesting about like this, which is very recent though, right?
02:34:01.000That there was a time like where like cancel culture was so effective.
02:34:07.000I remember thinking this was something that really kind of scared me like a few years ago because it was like You know you'd have these people like some of the people who kind of started getting like big like before me I mean, I was I was doing what I do, but it I had a slower like progression But like some of these people who shot up to the top You know Milo or like people like that got totally removed from the conversation.
02:34:29.000It was like they were just he's the best example Yeah, this guy was gonna be the guy who's on and then Bill Marshall.
02:34:36.000Yeah, yeah And did great on Bill Maher's show.
02:34:38.000Bill Maher compared him to Hitchens, remember that?
02:34:40.000Like a gay Christopher Hitchens or something like that.
02:34:44.000And now, it just seems all over the place, there's lots of examples of it, where it's like they try to...
02:34:51.000You went through, I think, the biggest cancellation attempt, where they were just like, you could see it was like, I remember in those few weeks, it was like, a decision had been made.
02:35:39.000The only thing that could change is the people that own them, like Jeff Bezos has kind of put the clamps down on the Washington Post and said, look, I don't want any of these fucking crazy left wing opinion pieces anymore.
02:35:50.000I want you to report about lifestyle, health, news, objective news.
02:35:57.000Like, let's become a fucking newspaper again, which is what That's the only way you have value with everybody.
02:36:05.000Otherwise, you're alienating literally 50% of the country and the 50% that buy it...
02:36:11.000They have to be retarded because you've been lying so openly about so many different things.
02:36:15.000Everything has to be gone through a filter.
02:36:17.000And so like, it's not even just that they're lying, but that they're lying in such a brazen, such a 180 degree from reality.
02:36:28.000You know, like the way they've tried to make this thread of doge, you know, like where they're just kind of like, you know, what right does he have to go through all these bureaucratic email, bureaucrats emails and what?
02:36:40.000When you zoom out it reminds me a lot there's this weird parallel between like what Bobby Kennedy was able to insert with the Maha movement where you had this thing where we had like what they'd call a national health crisis you know a pandemic like the all of our focus has to be on this health issue and then Bobby Kennedy just kind of came along and was like could I point out that like there's a real health crisis Crisis that we have yeah,
02:37:05.000that's not the one you're talking about at all like you're claiming to care about health so much And it's like okay look at autism and and diabetes and obesity and where that like we lead the world in chronic illness heart disease like all these things like that's kind and then it was just The the doge thing it was like okay, so we have the the US federal government is the biggest organization in the history of the world.
02:37:27.000We spend more than any other government in the history of the world has ever spent.
02:37:31.000We are so far in debt now that the interest on the debt is now, I believe last year it was 1.2 trillion dollars and it's going up.
02:37:41.000Yeah. And the interest on the debt is now overtaking the entire budget.
02:37:46.000Like I remember when trillion dollar deficits were crazy.
02:37:50.000If we balanced our budget tomorrow, We still run a trillion dollar deficit every year just because we owe it on the interest on the debt.
02:38:03.000And then they're trying to convince you that the real crisis is that Elon Musk and a few of his genius nerd buddies want to open the books?
02:38:11.000Like, how the fuck can you convince anyone of that?
02:38:14.000Well, the Democrats are really good at having a narrative and then marching with it.
02:38:20.000And that's what you see with all these tweets that are all from the same kind of verbiage.
02:38:24.000They're using the same sentences and you see them all throughout.
02:38:27.000Whenever it comes to certain issues, they're really good at, like, staying united and getting out this one message.
02:38:35.000Yeah, which does work to kind of shockingly well, but again, it is like you can watch it.
02:38:41.000Like it's like this thing that's getting diminishing returns Yeah. That's another issue that's gonna completely transform society if you think the internet and podcast transform society Just wait till you have super intelligent godlike computers that are telling us what we should do Yeah,
02:39:07.000and there's um, you know, look there's some pretty spooky implications of all of that I mean, I you know, I've read a decent amount about the way like the IDF was using Artificial intelligence to like track, you know, like like suspects and stuff like this and you're like, oh like the military using AI is kind of creepy.
02:39:27.000But then at the same time, you know, what what might that do to like People's ability to keep secrets and keep corruption going and you know It's kind of like who gets in charge of that right is gonna be a vet that's gonna be like the fate of mankind Well, I think they're prepping for that.
02:39:46.000That's where they're jailing politicians.
02:39:47.000Like there's a lot of that going on right now They're they're in a hot panic because you're not gonna be able to hide anything anymore.
02:39:54.000It's gonna we have just a It's gonna come in waves and it's gonna be I mean, I'm just guessing what its impact is gonna be But I think the world's unrecognizable in 20 years.
02:40:04.000Yeah, I think you're probably right probably right about that and it's a You know, it's gonna be very it's gonna be very interesting.
02:40:12.000I remember you said like a long time ago I think it was like at that very beginning of the podcast But you had said one thing we're like you were like it's gonna be harder and harder to lie.
02:40:53.000Like, that's a crazy shift that, you know, it happens slow enough that you don't realize.
02:40:57.000But the more that that goes on and on, and the more technology there is, and the more singularity to it, There's gonna be an app in our lifetime that's a lie detector and it's gonna be 100%.
02:42:57.000But isn't it crazy that, you know, like there's a million examples of this, but just like how tone-deaf the Kamala Harris campaign was.
02:43:06.000Now, I don't know how much Dick Cheney they, like, But Liz Cheney, they started bringing her on the trail.
02:43:14.000He came out to endorse it and say that Donald Trump is the most dangerous threat to America and then she started campaigning with Liz Cheney.
02:43:22.000Forget even the fact that obviously I'm the anti-war guy and I think all these people are blood-soaked monsters who should burn in hell for eternity, but leave all that aside.
02:43:44.000Bring in the Cheneys, and then we're gonna tell them about how much we love fucking the war in Iraq or something like that.
02:43:51.000And it was, I think it was just a signal to like, Military contractors to be like, hey, we're cool, you know, like send us some more money.
02:43:58.000Internally, apparently, they knew they were losing.
02:44:00.000Yeah, they said the from which makes the spending even weirder.
02:44:04.000Yeah, well, evident evidently, the the internal polling, there's a few really interesting questions about this, because so the it's been reported that the internal polling of Biden Before he dropped out was like a crazy landslide way way more than what Trump ended up winning by like they had him winning like 500 electoral I forget what it was But it was like a crazy fucking blowout and then similarly when Kamala Harris took over like they knew but then there's also something interesting where it's like hey,
02:44:32.000so like Pollsters could could we ever get the real polls?
02:44:38.000How come like they can figure out the real polls, right?
02:44:41.000But then you because there was something like there's only been a few elections In my life, that I remember where, like, it was, um, it was just obvious who was, who was gonna win.
02:45:12.000It was like, oh yeah, Obama's up big in the polls.
02:45:14.000But this year, everything you could see, taste, touch, like it was just, oh obviously Donald Trump, everywhere Donald Trump went, he's getting like a king's greeting, he's like with all, the culture has totally shifted in his direction.
02:45:26.000Imagine if they hadn't astroturfed those conventions for Kamala Harris.
02:45:30.000Imagine if they hadn't paid people to show up.
02:45:34.000Look, it would have been – imagine, like, right, it wasn't people coming to see Beyonce and they just had to come see Kamala Harris and all – you know.
02:45:41.000It was – this campaign was – the Kamala Harris – and this is part of the reason why even though I am really upset about I mean, look, Bobby, I will say, does seem to at least be doing some real structural, like, he's talking about really, you know, changing some things at the health department.
02:46:03.000I think maybe he could take a break from tweeting about the virus of antisemitism, but whatever.
02:46:10.000Tulsi I'm really upset with over you know her like cheering on these these strikes I you know I thought she was supposed to be the one who was gonna stand up in that signal group and say something and not just leave it to JD and I think Donald Trump's messing up in a lot of ways but I really at least at this point like if he invades Iran and we have another war there then I will apologize for voting for him that I think I made a mistake and I shouldn't have done that but Short of that, I do think it was the right thing to do.
02:46:38.000And part of it was like that that had to be exposed.
02:46:40.000Because this Kamala Harris ticket, it was the most astroturfed ticket ever.
02:47:12.000Because if they can get that through with her, even if you like her and you think she would have done a great job, it's scary that you were given that kind of power.
02:47:17.000Yeah. And the same people that were auto-penning all those Biden executive orders would have been in charge.
02:47:29.000You know, you could say whatever, that Joe Biden just feared that Donald Trump would abuse the Justice Department, which is, you know, a little ironic to accuse him of the thing you're actually guilty of doing, but to go out and to pardon your family, and forget the family even, because that's a little less relevant, but to pardon Fauci, and go back to 2014?
02:47:50.000Yeah. You know, Joe, I mean, obviously Joe Biden didn't pick anything, but who's the person who picked that we got to go back and give this guy blanket immunity going all the way back?
02:48:31.000And then when he's alone with him, then Biden tells him, I didn't sign that.
02:48:36.000And then you realize it's the same signature.
02:48:38.000Well, when you're the level of senile that Joe Biden was, Like, it leads to the question, how easy was it for everybody to manipulate you?
02:48:50.000Also, because you could just tell him he did or didn't do something and he may not, you know, like he doesn't remember.
02:48:54.000Well, like we don't know, you know, like there was this one thing.
02:48:58.000Look, like one of the things on October 7th and I try I try almost to avoid this topic sometimes because I don't want it to come off like I'm downplaying the horrors of of October 7th.
02:49:26.000The 40 beheaded babies and some of the like claims of mass rapes and stuff like that just turned out not to be true.
02:49:31.000They were set in the fog of this thing.
02:49:32.000Whatever. I'll give the benefit of the doubt of like, you know, maybe it was, you know, I think they were kind of abused by some politicians in order to get you to turn your brain off and be very emotional and not pay attention to what this response is going to be.
02:49:44.000But Joe Biden claimed that he had seen the videos of the beheaded babies, and then it turned out to just like that never happened.
02:49:52.000And then you're almost wondering, you're like, Was he lying?
02:50:16.000Yeah. And it's just wild that you could be too old and senile to stand trial for having classified documents, but yet you're fine giving out pardons.
02:50:30.000Yeah. Like, how do you let a person with a mental disease give out pardons?
02:50:34.000That seems like that's the guy I manipulate.
02:50:36.000And if it turns out that guy gives out more pardons than anyone ever upon leaving office.
02:50:42.000That seems like, that seems like those shouldn't be legit.
02:50:44.000Well, look, on its own, of course not, but on its own, That, and there were things that come above that to me, like COVID and the war in Ukraine and, you know, a whole bunch of other shit.
02:50:55.000But that alone is like Kamala Harris and the corporate media and the Democrats, they had to lose.
02:51:14.000Tell everybody how they watched your show.
02:51:16.000Oh, part of the problem is my podcast where I talk about all this political news stuff, and then Legion of Skanks is where I'm a degenerate with my comedian friends.