The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2299 - Dave Smith

00:00:13.000 Good to see you again, sir.

00:00:15.000 Good to see you too, man.

00:00:16.000 Good to see you again.

00:00:17.000 These times of trouble and chaos.

00:00:20.000 Wild, wild times.

00:00:22.000 Where leftists are lighting Teslas on fire and putting swastikas on them.

00:00:27.000 And that's the calmest they've been in years.

00:00:30.000 This is actually, for them, probably the best.

00:00:31.000 It's so weird how these people are so easy to wind up and get them to do what you want them to do. 0.96

00:00:36.000 Just put a narrative out there, you're a good person if you go do this, and they just go run out and fucking cause chaos.

00:00:43.000 And it's the most, I mean, look, it's not like as much chaos as, say, like, the Black Lives Matter protests in 2020 or something.

00:00:50.000 But the one about the test, it's like you're destroying electric cars.

00:00:55.000 Which are mostly owned by liberals.

00:00:56.000 Yeah, but I thought you've been telling me for so long that this is going to save the world.

00:01:00.000 The importance on going green was that we're all going to die unless we do it.

00:01:05.000 And now you're taking the most successful electric car company and trying to destroy them?

00:01:11.000 Because for the crime of pointing out that maybe the seven trillion dollars that our federal government's spending has a wee bit of corruption in it, you know, like maybe we could cut some of that.

00:01:21.000 It's so, I don't know, it's so, on every level, it's just so surreal.

00:01:26.000 It is surreal.

00:01:26.000 It feels fake.

00:01:28.000 It does. 1.00

00:01:29.000 It genuinely feels like we're living in some sort of a stupid movie. 1.00

00:01:34.000 Yeah, well, it makes you wonder. 0.99

00:01:36.000 It makes you wonder how controlled the whole thing is, you know, and I don't know.

00:01:40.000 I don't know.

00:01:40.000 But there is a do you remember?

00:01:43.000 I think I sent it to you at the time.

00:01:45.000 But there was a like four years ago.

00:01:47.000 There was a Time magazine piece about the 2020 election.

00:01:51.000 It was like a real long article.

00:01:54.000 The title was something like, How the Shadow Government Stole.

00:01:59.000 It wasn't exactly that, but it basically went through the real conspiracy of 2020, and they're writing it from the pro-conspiracy point of view.

00:02:10.000 Forget anything about ballots or any of that stuff.

00:02:14.000 Even when you interviewed Trump, he didn't really have a good answer for that.

00:02:17.000 It was stolen.

00:02:19.000 How do you know it was stolen?

00:02:20.000 It was stolen, you know.

00:02:22.000 Is that the information?

00:02:22.000 Yeah, but what we do know, like the real conspiracy in broad daylight, that they just totally like tanked the economy, overhauled...

00:02:31.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:02:32.000 The secret history of the shadow campaign that saved the 2020 election.

00:02:36.000 Saved. And they go deep into like admitting so much about like the censorship on social media, the support of the riots and the protests.

00:02:46.000 And what's amazing about it, It really is incredible their ability to turn on and turn off the protest machine.

00:02:56.000 It's just money.

00:02:57.000 Yeah. Yeah.

00:02:58.000 It's just money.

00:02:58.000 There's a lot of people out there that have nothing to do.

00:03:02.000 We were talking about it the other day.

00:03:04.000 I was like, if I was 21 years old and someone said, hey, they're going to pay $400 to go to a Kamala Harris rally, would you go? 0.99

00:03:10.000 I'm like, fuck yeah, I'd go. 0.98

00:03:12.000 I'd hold that sign up. 1.00

00:03:13.000 I'd probably vote for her. 0.53

00:03:14.000 When I was 21, you had me at $400.

00:03:16.000 The conversation was over.

00:03:17.000 It's over.

00:03:18.000 $400. I heard you get $1,000 to go protest for Tesla.

00:03:23.000 Can I sneak in both of those?

00:03:24.000 Can we do one?

00:03:25.000 Yeah, $1,400 in a day, dude.

00:03:27.000 Nice. Yeah, I was I mean, I was thrilled when I was 25 to make like 75 bucks at the comic strip or something like that.

00:03:34.000 So yeah.

00:03:35.000 But also, it's a, you know, it's like, and that's kind of like the whole CIA deep state game is it's always moving around the margins.

00:03:44.000 You know, like if you if there's because like when I, you know, on the show, I've talked about a bunch like the made on revolution in Ukraine.

00:03:51.000 And when I when I'd say like this was a US backed coup against a democratically elected president.

00:03:57.000 the response I get from people who disagreed with it would always be like, "Oh, you're denying the agency of the Ukrainian people?

00:04:03.000 Because look at these pictures.

00:04:04.000 There's all these Ukrainian people in the streets." And you're like, "Well, yeah, but the US poured $100 million into that street protest.

00:04:12.000 You think that made a difference a little bit?" And so it's not that there weren't real people there.

00:04:19.000 But man, you want to keep a protest going through the Ukrainian winter, And then all of a sudden you get a hundred million dollars and now you got heat lamps and celebrities and concerts and then you keep the whole thing going until the democratically elected president has to flee for his fucking life and then what are you supposed to look at that? 0.81

00:04:38.000 Oh that was just an organic revolution? 0.99

00:04:40.000 No it fucking wasn't! 0.99

00:04:42.000 You know this is DC overthrowing Putin's neighbor and you know they don't like that detail because then it Fucks up the whole unprovoked. 0.99

00:04:51.000 Yeah, people don't like that detail.

00:04:52.000 They don't like the detail that there's many layers of subterfuge inter Exchanging with each other.

00:04:59.000 There's just so much money and so much influence and they're so good at it They've been doing it for so long that they can get time magazine to write an article saying how it's good.

00:05:09.000 Yeah, it's great It's good that we saved the 2020 election And that's and by the way, I love um, I know you're you're Podcast with Mike Benz was phenomenal that dude's great.

00:05:21.000 He's phenomenal.

00:05:22.000 I've done a few of them.

00:05:22.000 Yeah, he's he's great But I'll tell you I already I knew all that he's right about all that USA ID stuff and I'll tell you That was the whole thing.

00:05:30.000 It's a Scott Horton's book provoked which is like the best book that's been written on the the history of the build-up to the war in Ukraine And it's all in there, dude.

00:05:40.000 It's all footnoted.

00:05:41.000 But it's like, yeah, they're the ones pumping all this money in.

00:05:44.000 And then they make it out, like, when you try to cut it, they're like, oh, no, we were just helping some kids get on a school bus over here and overthrowing the democratically elected government in Ukraine.

00:05:53.000 You know, we did all of that.

00:05:55.000 Well, that's the beautiful thing about USAID.

00:05:59.000 You know, it's like they had the money to do all this stuff, the money to do essentially whatever they want all over the world.

00:06:05.000 And the way Mike Benz describes it as the Stuff that's too dirty for the CIA.

00:06:10.000 Yeah. Yeah.

00:06:11.000 Well, and so they can have plausible deniability, too.

00:06:14.000 Because like, what are you talking about?

00:06:15.000 Non-government organization?

00:06:15.000 Yeah, there you go.

00:06:16.000 That's totally right.

00:06:17.000 Not us.

00:06:17.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:06:18.000 It's like in the name.

00:06:19.000 They might as well call it, they're like, we're not the CIA.

00:06:22.000 The good guys.

00:06:23.000 We're just George Soros' NGO, not the CIA at all.

00:06:26.000 Totally removed.

00:06:28.000 But also, the thing is that, you know, when you look at like the actual money, because sometimes they'll kind of point out that They're like, oh, this is a very small percentage of the budget and it's like yeah tiny money.

00:06:40.000 Well, right It's a small billion dollar budget.

00:06:43.000 Yeah, but our budget I mean the I know the entire GDP of Russia is like two trillion dollars the entire economy and I don't know what Ukraine is but smaller than that and We spend like between six and seven trillion dollars a year just our government.

00:07:01.000 So when you're talking about Flooding in a hundred million dollars flooding in a few billion.

00:07:05.000 I think like it's like five or six billion dollars since 91 we put into Ukraine that may not sound like that much money in the context of America the biggest economy or the second biggest economy in the world, but Politically in a small country like Ukraine that moves mountains that changes the entire landscape When the world Empire is pumping that type of money in what do you think the world looks like though?

00:07:29.000 If the United States doesn't do that So the United States doesn't it this is like the Mike Baker perspective, right?

00:07:37.000 Like if the United States doesn't make friends with these dictators if the United States doesn't put people who are sympathetic to our causes in power China does Russia does it looks very bad for America all over the world things get dangerous.

00:07:52.000 It's almost almost always the war hawks Rely on an unfalsifiable counterfactual, you know, so it's like oh, but if we didn't do this and we ran the counterfactual it would be this crazy other scenario That's somehow even worse than this right now.

00:08:10.000 The problem with that from my perspective is number one the the factual scenario is Like, something like four to five million dead civilians over the last 25 years.

00:08:24.000 Entire nations destroyed.

00:08:26.000 Eight trillion dollars depleted from the U.S. Treasury.

00:08:30.000 Tens of thousands of our bravest young men blowing their brains out.

00:08:33.000 So, you know, if you're relying on this unfalsifiable counterfactual, but it would have been worse if we hadn't fought a war in Iraq and Afghanistan and Syria and Libya and Somalia and Yemen and all these places over the last years.

00:08:45.000 Okay. I'd say the onus is on you to really have to demonstrate that and not just assert that it would be worse if we hadn't done this.

00:08:54.000 But also like, you know, we are going broke doing it.

00:08:58.000 Like we're 36 trillion dollars in debt.

00:09:00.000 We can't even afford it.

00:09:02.000 And the idea that if we were to get out of the game of being the world empire, then like China would go, OK, great. 0.97

00:09:09.000 Now we get to destroy ourselves.

00:09:11.000 And it just seems completely.

00:09:15.000 It seems extremely unlikely that that would be the case.

00:09:19.000 And also, you know, it's like people act like, OK, if we weren't doing this in Ukraine, then Vladimir Putin could do whatever he wanted to.

00:09:26.000 Or if we weren't doing this, then China could do whatever they wanted to.

00:09:29.000 But they've got adversaries all around them, too, who are richer than them.

00:09:33.000 Maybe not in China's case, but certainly in Putin's case, richer than them, are opposed to them.

00:09:37.000 There's an all of Western Europe is not just a pushover. 0.99

00:09:41.000 China has Japan and South Korea, and they've got their own You know, the truth is that there's nobody has the power that the US government has to do this shit. 0.78

00:09:52.000 It's only like we're the ones who can do this and it would just be a better world if we just didn't like you just can't convince me that like that if we just hadn't have fought the terror wars like which was totally a possibility we could we had. 0.64

00:10:06.000 The whole war on terrorism could have been over by Christmas of 2001 with the special ops taking out the Al-Qaeda cells.

00:10:13.000 They could have trapped Osama bin Laden in Tora Bora when they had him there.

00:10:16.000 They let him escape into Pakistan.

00:10:21.000 Why do you think they did that?

00:10:23.000 Because they already had their eye on Baghdad.

00:10:26.000 If Osama bin Laden is caught, you don't get your bonus war.

00:10:29.000 You know what I mean?

00:10:33.000 War propaganda for invading Afghanistan.

00:10:36.000 It wasn't everyone remembers WMDs, but it wasn't just that claim.

00:10:40.000 It was the claim which Dick Cheney and George W. Bush and all the neocons pushed real hard was that he was in on 9-11.

00:10:48.000 Now this totally fell apart because it was never true and they knew it wasn't true.

00:10:51.000 But the claim was he's got these weapons and he could hand them off to the terrorists and then You know, what was the Condoleezza Rice line was like, we don't want the warning to be in the form of a mushroom cloud or something like that.

00:11:04.000 The fear was they're going to nuke Kansas or whatever as soon as as soon as Saddam Hussein gives the weapons he doesn't have to the terrorists he's not friends with.

00:11:13.000 But if they caught Osama bin Laden, I think that would have destroyed the whole seven wars in five years. 0.96

00:11:21.000 It's the Wesley Clark strategy.

00:11:23.000 Yeah. You want to hear something else on the Wesley Clark thing?

00:11:25.000 This is new.

00:11:28.000 Pierce Morgan, say what you will about him, he hosted a debate between, which I love doing the show without trashing it, but it's a circus.

00:11:37.000 It is a circus.

00:11:38.000 Yes. I think he's very smart.

00:11:40.000 Oh, he's a genius, dude. 0.99

00:11:42.000 That circus is fucking a lot of people lining up. 0.92

00:11:45.000 Dude, he figured out, and you got to give him so much credit because he's probably the only one from like the old guard of corporate media who figured it out. 0.99

00:11:56.000 He went, okay, I see where we are.

00:11:57.000 Yes. I see what's going on, and I know what people want to see happen.

00:12:01.000 Well, Tucker figured it out too, but in a different way.

00:12:03.000 Tucker is actually, yes.

00:12:04.000 Tucker is the one who really figured it out.

00:12:06.000 Tucker is basically doing this kind of a show.

00:12:07.000 Yes. He's basically doing long-form podcasts.

00:12:11.000 But with people who sucked Obama's dick. 1.00

00:12:13.000 And other various experts. 1.00

00:12:16.000 It's not only that.

00:12:17.000 Yeah, really amazing people. 1.00

00:12:18.000 Maybe 10% of the coverage is about who sucked Obama's dick. 0.99

00:12:21.000 Did you see that physician who was on the other day that was talking about all the cancer rises? 1.00

00:12:25.000 Yeah. I didn't watch the whole thing, but I saw a few clips from it.

00:12:29.000 It's very interesting. 0.99

00:12:30.000 It's fucking crazy. 0.97

00:12:30.000 They're seeing pancreatic cancer in kids, little kids, which is just Unheard of he was saying that in all of his career. 0.97

00:12:39.000 He had never seen Pancreatic cancer in a child before right and now now they're seeing it.

00:12:44.000 Well, they I mean they used to call type 2 diabetes Adult onset diabetes because it was like the kids don't get it.

00:12:51.000 It's like unheard of right now It's like all over the place, right?

00:12:55.000 I saw that thing.

00:12:56.000 I saw it cuz you Posted it but the Kaylee means yeah, so great.

00:13:01.000 So great. 0.94

00:13:02.000 Wasn't it fucking amazing? 0.94

00:13:04.000 It's just amazing that they're arguing against this. 0.99

00:13:08.000 Well, there's like no argument and like I'm far from I don't really understand the shit that well, but you go, okay. 0.97

00:13:17.000 It's crazy that Bobby Kennedy is overhauling this whole thing and cutting all this and you're like, okay. 0.98

00:13:21.000 We spend more on health than any other nation in the world by far.

00:13:27.000 And we're sicker. 0.82

00:13:27.000 And we're the sickest. 0.82

00:13:28.000 Yeah. You're telling me there shouldn't – and your position here, it just like exposes that the entire media – it's like your position here is to get in between the regime and any threat to the regime.

00:13:41.000 Well, it's also radical change, and radical change causes controversy, and controversy is what they sell.

00:13:47.000 Yeah. So the media is going to sell that and they're going to sell it on the angle of this is creating all sorts of problems, all sorts of people are losing their jobs, budgets are getting cut, people are getting fired, they're out on the street.

00:14:00.000 It's that.

00:14:01.000 They have to do that.

00:14:04.000 If you're doing television media, newsprint media, subscription media, that's part of your job.

00:14:12.000 Well, but you could also get huge ratings by covering the controversy that is, we spend more money and have the worst outcomes.

00:14:18.000 Can't do it.

00:14:19.000 Because you get too much money from the pharmaceutical drug companies, which is also what Cali means.

00:14:23.000 Pointed that out.

00:14:24.000 Right. I mean, look, if the media was just driven by ratings, They'd be doing shows on Jeffrey Epstein every day.

00:14:31.000 Every day.

00:14:32.000 I mean, because you'd be the number one show on cable news.

00:14:34.000 You could go, I'm going to talk about no other topic.

00:14:37.000 Give me the 8pm hour on MSNBC or CNN or Fox News or whatever, and I'll say, I'm just going to make my show about Jeffrey Epstein.

00:14:46.000 Every single day, that's all we're doing.

00:14:49.000 I guarantee you I'd have the number one show on cable news.

00:14:51.000 Right. More people would want to watch that.

00:14:53.000 The Candace Owens show that's on YouTube.

00:14:55.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:14:56.000 And it's doing better numbers than any of the shows on cable news.

00:14:59.000 It's phenomenal.

00:15:01.000 It's like they created a monster with her.

00:15:04.000 When they fired her from the Daily Wire, they created a monster. 0.85

00:15:07.000 Yeah, they sure did.

00:15:07.000 She can't be stopped.

00:15:09.000 Yeah. Oh, no, no, no.

00:15:10.000 There's no stopping Candace Owens at this point. 0.99

00:15:11.000 Because she's hitting all the fucking third rails that no one wants to touch. 1.00

00:15:15.000 She's got a six-hour presentation on how Bridget McCrone is a man. 0.99

00:15:19.000 I know. 0.99

00:15:19.000 I mean, it's fucking six hours plus long. 0.99

00:15:23.000 I don't know if she's even kind of right about that. 0.98

00:15:25.000 I think she's right. 1.00

00:15:26.000 But she's got a lot of shit to say on it. 0.99

00:15:29.000 She would be getting sued right now instead of trying to bribe her. 1.00

00:15:33.000 Instead of trying to give her money to shut the fuck up, they would sue her. 1.00

00:15:37.000 Yeah, you're probably right about that. 0.99

00:15:39.000 I don't know if they are suing her.

00:15:40.000 Have they tried to file anything?

00:15:43.000 They probably have. 0.99

00:15:44.000 They probably filed some bullshit lawsuits too. 0.99

00:15:46.000 I'm sure she's dealing with several. 0.99

00:15:47.000 I'm pretty sure she's right.

00:15:50.000 I don't know.

00:15:50.000 I might be wrong.

00:15:52.000 I think she's right.

00:15:53.000 The whole thing stinks, and what stinks way worse than that giant distraction is that the number one opponent for Macron just got sentenced to four years in jail and barred from political life for five years.

00:16:06.000 And the frontrunner, not just the number one opponent, the one who's winning.

00:16:09.000 Winning, yeah. 0.99

00:16:10.000 It's fucking crazy. 0.99

00:16:12.000 It's what they try to do to Trump, plus. 1.00

00:16:16.000 Oh yeah, yeah.

00:16:16.000 No, they were able to take it further.

00:16:18.000 Yeah. And then we'll see if there's the backlash the same way there was when they tried to do that to Trump.

00:16:23.000 And it's just so, it's like the, there's some propaganda that's like almost too, it can't be successful propaganda.

00:16:33.000 Like, saying Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction and is in bed with terrorists, that's good propaganda right there. 1.00

00:16:38.000 You know, right after 9-11, you could totally convince the average American that, you know, OK, well, we can't let that stand.

00:16:45.000 You know, in a post 9-11 world, we can't allow some Arab dictator to have nuclear weapons and he's friends with the terrorists and he's in on 9-11. 0.95

00:16:52.000 OK, we got.

00:16:53.000 But to say.

00:16:55.000 The propaganda is, democracy is on the ballot while you're trying to arrest your opponent because he's winning in the polls. 0.96

00:17:04.000 That's just too, like, it's too ridiculous. 0.94

00:17:07.000 It's too on its face. 0.95

00:17:08.000 You have to say what you're arresting him for.

00:17:11.000 Yeah. And then when people look at it, you're like, wait, Mar-a-Lago's worth how much?

00:17:15.000 Yeah. Hold on, hold on, hold on.

00:17:16.000 34 what?

00:17:17.000 Bookkeeping errors?

00:17:19.000 They're misdemeanors?

00:17:20.000 Where's the felony?

00:17:21.000 Isn't it past the statute of limitations?

00:17:23.000 It is.

00:17:24.000 And nobody's ever been tried on this charge.

00:17:27.000 This is a novel charge where it would be a misdemeanor, but you've ramped it up to a felony.

00:17:33.000 And there's no victim.

00:17:35.000 And there's no victim involved.

00:17:36.000 The banks themselves are telling you, we were happy to do business with Donald Trump, we'd do business with him again.

00:17:40.000 And we got paid.

00:17:40.000 We got our money back.

00:17:42.000 There's no victims at all.

00:17:43.000 And it's what every real estate agent does.

00:17:47.000 Yeah, I mean it's so it was so obvious that they were just weaponizing the the legal system to go after it's so crazy like they tried to save Mar-a-Lago was only worth 18 million Yeah, it's like dude.

00:18:10.000 I would buy it right away If someone told me you could get Mar-a-Lago for 18 million, I'd call my accountant right now I'd go don't lose this jump on this dude. 0.99

00:18:19.000 We do some wire wire wire the money Just bring down Austin everybody I have the call with Jamie he'd be like fuck yeah Florida bitch You thought you had some uncomfortable summers here. 1.00

00:18:37.000 You did a lot of golfing. 0.99

00:18:38.000 A lot of golfing for you.

00:18:39.000 I lived in Florida for a while.

00:18:40.000 I go back.

00:18:40.000 A lot of golfing.

00:18:41.000 I like some parts of Florida.

00:18:44.000 Florida's fun.

00:18:45.000 Well, I don't think Trump's selling, and I don't think you're getting it for $18 million.

00:18:48.000 I'd like to live around alligators again.

00:18:50.000 It's exciting.

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00:20:01.000 Yeah, don't leave your kids unattended.

00:20:04.000 But yeah, sure.

00:20:05.000 No, no, no.

00:20:06.000 Give your kids a gun.

00:20:07.000 So let me tell you because I forgot what I was saying.

00:20:10.000 So okay, so Piers Morgan hosts a debate between Scott Horton and Wesley Clark.

00:20:17.000 Oh, interesting.

00:20:18.000 And so in this debate, one of the most interesting things, Wesley Clark just very casually said this, but it's like breaking news.

00:20:25.000 But he said, so everybody, I assume we played it like a bunch of times on the show before, but Wesley Clark's four-star general, he was the head of NATO, and he told Amy Goodman on Democracy Now!

00:20:35.000 that he saw in late 2001, what has become known as the seven wars in five years, that the plan from the neocons in the government was that we were going to overthrow all these governments in the region in the next five years.

00:20:51.000 Now, this plan obviously didn't end up happening in five years, but it's literally he names seven countries and there's one to go.

00:20:59.000 And that one, by the way, happens to be the one that Donald Trump is flirting with a war with right now, Iran.

00:21:04.000 All the rest of them have happened.

00:21:05.000 By the way, Israeli news reported today that a strike on Iran is imminent.

00:21:09.000 Did you see that?

00:21:09.000 Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:21:10.000 No, there's, I mean, we're very clearly moving toward this war, yet another catastrophic war.

00:21:17.000 But so, Wesley Clark gets asked about this in the debate, and he goes, oh, it actually goes back much further than that.

00:21:23.000 He goes, I first saw the plans in 1991, and it came from Paul Wolfowitz.

00:21:28.000 Okay, so he goes Paul Wolfowitz had these plans in 1991 and he took them to Brent Scowcroft who was George HW Bush's national security advisor So he takes them to them and according to Wesley Clark again, my source on this is a four-star general He says that Scowcroft went we'll look at this after the election 92 is the election year they lose Bill Clinton comes in and he goes and the plan kind of got killed and then he said it was revived later in a study paid for by the Israelis and

00:21:58.000 And that this was done, that Richard Perle was really the one who brought it back to life, and that it was explicitly done because this is what they thought was necessary to protect Israel.

00:22:07.000 And like, as I've mentioned to you before, now I don't know exactly what study he's referring to, but he said, that's what he said.

00:22:13.000 But I do know, as I've mentioned before in this, that anybody can go read The Clean Break.

00:22:19.000 You could Google it, it's a clean break, a new strategy for securing the realm, which was a letter written by the guy he mentioned, Richard Perle and David Wormsar, to Benjamin Netanyahu in 1996, it was his first year when he came in as prime minister.

00:22:52.000 You've got to finally give these Palestinians a state.

00:22:55.000 You've been occupying them since 1967. 0.91

00:22:57.000 You've got to finally take your boot off their neck.

00:22:59.000 And the clean break strategy was to go, listen, we got to get away from this whole idea of a Palestinian state and giving them land. 0.95

00:23:07.000 And basically the thinking, the Itzhak Rabin old school thinking on this, loosely speaking, it's a little more complicated, but basically they were like, look, we've been occupying the Palestinians for decades and decades now.

00:23:20.000 The broader Arab world hates us.

00:23:22.000 Over our treatment of the Palestinians. 0.84

00:23:25.000 And so what you got to do is you have to make peace with the Palestinians so that you can get along with all these Arab states around you.

00:23:31.000 That was kind of the thinking.

00:23:32.000 And the clean break strategy was like, no, no, no, no.

00:23:36.000 We're going to reverse that.

00:23:37.000 Instead of making peace with the Palestinians so that we get along with the Arab states surrounding us, what we're going to do is we're going to overthrow all of those states. 1.00

00:23:46.000 So we never have to make peace with the Palestinians. 1.00

00:23:48.000 So we never have to have a two-state solution.

00:23:50.000 What we'll just do is we'll go overthrow all of these governments.

00:23:53.000 Of course, Israel can't go overthrow all of these governments, but the U.S. can. 0.54

00:23:59.000 They had these plans according to Wesley Clark in 91. We know about the Clean Break Memo in 96. But after 9-11, that's when, by a terrible twist of fate and all this shit, the neocons are in power.

00:24:16.000 They're in George W. Bush's, but there is no Brent Scowcroft. 0.99

00:24:19.000 There is no HW.

00:24:20.000 There's nobody with like a little bit of wisdom at the top.

00:24:23.000 It's Dick Cheney at the top and then his sidekick, George W. Bush.

00:24:27.000 And they go, so now we're going to move to get this.

00:24:30.000 Do you remember when Dick Cheney was in the bunker and W wasn't?

00:24:33.000 Yeah. That's when we knew it was up.

00:24:34.000 Yeah. Yeah.

00:24:35.000 That'll tell you something.

00:24:36.000 We were informed that he was in the bunker, which is so crazy.

00:24:40.000 Like, why would you say where the guy everyone's trying to kill is hiding?

00:24:44.000 Yeah. Are you that confident in your bunker?

00:24:46.000 And where's this bunker?

00:24:47.000 What does it look like? 0.99

00:24:48.000 Can I get a fucking MTV Cribs tour of this bunker? 0.99

00:24:53.000 What's going on with the bunker? 0.98

00:24:55.000 And look, man, and then just, and you could see now where there's like so much, um, there, there's such a rise in people being so fed up with, with this stuff.

00:25:06.000 But the idea that we're now, I mean, look, just even, uh, with those, this whole signal, How do you do that?

00:25:26.000 I mean, I don't understand how you do that.

00:25:29.000 It doesn't make any sense to me.

00:25:31.000 Did you see his interview?

00:25:32.000 But it is a signal chat between high-level government officials With classified information that's being discussed about war plans.

00:25:43.000 They would claim it's not classified, but it was information about an imminent attack that's about to take place.

00:25:48.000 It seems like that would have to be.

00:25:49.000 How is that not classified?

00:25:49.000 How is that not top secret?

00:25:50.000 If that's not classified, somebody else should get fired.

00:25:52.000 Yeah. But at the end of the day, you have, I believe there was 18 people in that chat, is that correct?

00:25:58.000 Something probably around there, yeah.

00:26:00.000 And no one goes over those things before you start Addressing this information? 0.95

00:26:06.000 If Jamie and I were talking shit about someone and we decided to do it on signal... 0.92

00:26:13.000 Like, I would make sure that I didn't accidentally include my mom. 0.98

00:26:17.000 Yeah, right. 0.99

00:26:18.000 Or a fucking reporter I know. 1.00

00:26:21.000 Or Trump himself. 1.00

00:26:24.000 Whoopsies. Or like, your enemy.

00:26:25.000 Like, the person who hates you the most.

00:26:27.000 How could you even have that guy in your contact list?

00:26:29.000 Like, what's going on?

00:26:30.000 And also, like...

00:26:32.000 How do you accidentally include someone?

00:26:34.000 And the chat is...

00:26:35.000 I mean, this is, you can't overstate it, short of the President of the United States, it's the most senior positions.

00:26:41.000 How do you not have someone going over the list before you go live?

00:26:46.000 It's unbelievable.

00:26:47.000 But I will say that, like, that, and perhaps there's another element, I mean, I don't know, you know, I don't exactly know.

00:26:55.000 I know in Trump's first term, The efforts from his own government to sabotage him were profound.

00:27:02.000 They were recording him.

00:27:03.000 Yeah, I mean, they were they were framing him for being a Russian spy, his own intelligence agencies.

00:27:08.000 And so when you have a conversation like this, get leaked to the most anti-Trump, you know, propagandist at the Atlantic.

00:27:15.000 It does raise some questions.

00:27:17.000 Big questions.

00:27:18.000 Was this done intentionally?

00:27:19.000 Was it not?

00:27:20.000 Whoopsies. Yeah.

00:27:21.000 And I don't know if you saw, but Waltz, he did Laura Ingraham's show. 0.60

00:27:27.000 Like a couple days after it came out, and I mean his answers were just ridiculous. 0.56

00:27:32.000 What did he say?

00:27:34.000 It was like, um, she was like, uh, so was this a staffer who messed up with someone?

00:27:38.000 And he goes, no, no, no, you know, I take full responsibility, um, but it was, you know, I'm sure a lot of people have a contact with the wrong number saved in the contact or something like that.

00:27:46.000 Yeah, but you don't include that.

00:27:48.000 Yeah, but also- Every time I get a new phone, one of the things I do is I go, oh, wow, look at all the dead people on my phone.

00:27:55.000 Right. I have a lot of dead people on my phone.

00:27:58.000 It's depressing, yeah.

00:27:58.000 It's so sad.

00:27:59.000 But I have a lot of friends that I look through my contact list and I'm like, fuck, he's gone. 1.00

00:28:03.000 Oh, fuck, he's gone. 0.98

00:28:05.000 It's, you know, like, and I have to make the decision, do I delete them from my contact list? 0.99

00:28:10.000 Generally, I don't.

00:28:10.000 I like to see in their names.

00:28:11.000 Yeah, I know, it's weird.

00:28:12.000 I have an old message from an old boss of mine.

00:28:16.000 I keep the phone just because it's got the voicemail on it.

00:28:19.000 Yeah, no, I get that.

00:28:20.000 You know what I mean?

00:28:20.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:28:21.000 It's like, You keep things that you don't need I have contacts for people that are not just dead but people that are dead to me You know to me like why why do I have them in there?

00:28:31.000 Sure. I don't talk to that guy anymore like But you don't add him to a fucking chat list! 0.98

00:28:37.000 That doesn't make any sense! 0.93

00:28:38.000 Well, right, and also, and he was claiming, like, the idea of, which I'm sure has happened to all of us before, where, like, maybe you're taking down someone's number and you enter it wrong.

00:28:47.000 So, like, but that wouldn't, you wouldn't happen to hit the Atlantic journalist guy's number.

00:28:52.000 No, he was, he had to be in contact with that guy.

00:28:55.000 Well, he claims he's never been in contact with him, he's never met him, he's never had a conversation.

00:28:58.000 So how did he include him in the chat?

00:28:59.000 By the way, then they found pictures of them together.

00:29:02.000 Oh, so it's like an Epstein deal.

00:29:03.000 So he's already lying.

00:29:03.000 Oh, so it's like an Epstein deal.

00:29:04.000 Yeah, he's already lying.

00:29:05.000 But I will say, that, it's like with a lot of these things, there was like, which we've talked about before on the show, but there's the leaked video, Victoria Nuland phone call where she's Deciding who the new government in Ukraine will be right like right around the okay And then at one point she's furious at the European Union for not like moving in faster And she goes at one point. 0.99

00:29:30.000 She goes you know fuck the European Union. 1.00

00:29:32.000 We'll just do it ourselves We should play that recording sure cuz it's so crazy, but people should hear it, but the point is that the the The scandal became that she said, fuck the EU. 0.99

00:29:42.000 And you're like, no, no, no, dude, that's not the scandal here. 0.97

00:29:44.000 That's not. 0.99

00:29:45.000 They're like, isn't this undiplomatic of her saying fuck the European Union? 0.98

00:29:48.000 Like, that's the least of what's interesting about this. 0.99

00:29:51.000 Isn't it interesting that Congress people swear now?

00:29:54.000 It's very bizarre.

00:29:55.000 Everybody's swearing. 1.00

00:29:56.000 Yeah, everyone's like fuck this call people retards. 0.99

00:29:59.000 It's great Well, it's it is it's like they lost they were trying to play that like Donald Trump's like down here And yeah, and then that didn't work. 0.99

00:30:07.000 So they were like, I guess we'll just try to be like him. 0.99

00:30:09.000 Fuck Elon Musk. 1.00

00:30:10.000 Yeah Everybody's excited again. 1.00

00:30:13.000 It's interesting.

00:30:14.000 They're they're adopting podcast language is what it is.

00:30:17.000 Yes, but I don't think it's going to be successful for them because what they're not adopting is the authenticity of it, and it comes off as kind of like – It goes, oh, now you're doing this? 0.94

00:30:28.000 Like, after all these years of pretending you were all formal, and everything was about decorum, and how Donald Trump wasn't presidential enough, and now you're like, oh, so you never really believed any of that shit.

00:30:39.000 It's like them trying to turn on the woke stuff. 0.96

00:30:42.000 It's too long.

00:30:43.000 You were so married to this for too long.

00:30:46.000 You gave up your authenticity for too long.

00:30:49.000 Yeah. It's like a Chris Cuomo type deal.

00:30:52.000 Yes, it's like Chris Cuomo.

00:30:55.000 Elizabeth Warren drinking the beer, but like not doing it right, you know, putting like her whole mouth over a bottle of beer. 1.00

00:31:00.000 I want people to get better, right? 1.00

00:31:03.000 So if you were a propagandist and you like, you know what, this is bullshit. 0.80

00:31:06.000 But there's examples of those people out there that are legitimate. 0.95

00:31:09.000 You know, and then there's also people that realize like, oh, well, that job is over.

00:31:14.000 I can't do that anymore.

00:31:15.000 Now I have to be something different.

00:31:17.000 Let me try to be authentic.

00:31:19.000 Yes, but you can, people can read that, man.

00:31:21.000 They can tell.

00:31:22.000 Well, you're also never going to fully be authentic.

00:31:24.000 You're always going to hold something back.

00:31:25.000 You're always going to, you're going to say things because you want people to think of you a certain way, rather than.

00:31:32.000 Okay, this is uncomfortable, but this is how I think.

00:31:35.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:31:35.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:31:36.000 Oh, but so so anyway just on the signal thing though again, like the real scandal here is not that they whatever either intentionally or were just so incompetent that they they added this journalist to it and it got leaked like the real scandal is like when you look through the chat and that it's like what are we Because what are we doing here?

00:31:56.000 We're bombing another country in the Middle East. 0.99

00:31:59.000 We're bombing the poorest country in the Middle East.

00:32:01.000 Yemen. By the way, Yemen.

00:32:02.000 Which has been bombed forever.

00:32:03.000 Oh my God.

00:32:04.000 On behalf of Israel. 0.97

00:32:06.000 Because they're standing up against this fucking brutal war in Gaza right now And so we're gonna bomb these guys again And then you have like I gotta say man like I was disgusted by Tulsi Gabbard's response there someone who I've you know said a lot of nice things about over the years and who I really supported as being the the DNI but like Literally only J.D. Vance is the only one who offers the mildest pushback and goes like hey guys this is kind of a mistake and it's kind of everything against what Donald Trump ran 0.93

00:32:36.000 on and by the way like it's like such an insignificant amount of our trade that even goes through this area it's really Europe's problem not ours and but I'll go along with it if you guys want to if you guys say and then they literally say on the thing they go we've We've tracked the missile guy, as they call him, this is the target they're trying to take out.

00:32:54.000 They go, we've tracked him to his girlfriend's apartment building.

00:32:58.000 And so we'll level the apartment building.

00:33:00.000 And then Tulsi Gabbard's just like, job well done, team.

00:33:03.000 Everybody's cheering it on.

00:33:04.000 There's not like, nobody, nobody even has the thought to go like, you know, like any, is there a way we could do this without like murdering an entire?

00:33:14.000 entire apartment buildings worth of people here is there a wait man this is a lot like it's like to none to none of you guys even kind of believe in God are none of you even scared that maybe God exists in that like Jesus Christ what are we doing here there's none of that there's not a feeling of that there's not a sense of like we're and and you know and I've talked about this before on the show but we got the whole history of of the war in Yemen going all the way back to Obama's first term I mean,

00:33:39.000 what we've done to this country, the poorest country in the Middle East, I mean, it was a goddamn genocide that happened in Yemen. 0.91

00:33:47.000 I mean, the drone bomb campaign from Obama was bad enough, but the Saudi invasion and the blockade and the war on the civilian population, you know, hundreds of thousands of people died, hundreds of thousands of cases of, like, cholera and these other, like, very easily preventable and treatable diseases that babies were just dying of because they had a full blockade around the country. 0.99

00:34:08.000 Fucking enforcing the blockade the u.s. 0.97

00:34:11.000 Fucking refueling the Saudi fighter jets and backing them the whole war there and The idea that we think what launching a couple tomahawks is gonna break the Houthis after they went through all that shit There's no chance like it's not you're just killing people for no strategic benefit It's there's the only thing that would actually like we could overthrow the Houthis if we wanted to invade the country But the u.s. 0.99

00:34:35.000 Military could do that But like short of that the idea that you have to do that's like a big public thing which is bombing somehow or another especially drone bombing Sort of like is in the ether. 0.99

00:34:46.000 Yeah, you know what I mean?

00:34:47.000 It's almost abstract.

00:34:48.000 Yeah, like you don't like if we sent a Tier one team to go take this dude out.

00:34:55.000 That would be front page news.

00:34:56.000 That would be like an act of war That would be a good thing. 1.00

00:34:59.000 We're declaring war on this country.

00:35:01.000 We've invaded their land with actual boots on the ground. 1.00

00:35:04.000 It's different For some weird reason, like you're allowed to use flying robots remote controlled by drone operators who, by the way, have some of the weirdest fucking PTSD. 0.98

00:35:17.000 These people are all fucked up for a long time because they watch these folks because they're watching these folks. 0.98

00:35:23.000 They know the people around. 1.00

00:35:24.000 They get to know them, watch them for days. 1.00

00:35:26.000 They see them hug their kids and then they get that fucking call. 0.98

00:35:30.000 And you don't get any of the, uh, and I don't know. 0.99

00:35:34.000 I mean, I'm just kind of speculating here.

00:35:35.000 I'm no psychologist.

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00:36:57.000 There's something I think where...

00:37:27.000 You don't have any of that.

00:37:28.000 There aren't bullets whizzing at you.

00:37:30.000 There's not your friend next to you.

00:37:31.000 There's not this sense of, like, I had to do what I had to do.

00:37:34.000 When you're just watching it on a monitor from a safe distance, I think there's some way that that fucks you up on a whole different level.

00:37:41.000 It's got to.

00:37:42.000 It's got to haunt your dreams.

00:37:43.000 It has to.

00:37:44.000 There's no other way.

00:37:45.000 I mean, you see a man holding his child and swinging her around in his arms, and then you know you're going to blow that man and that kid to smithereens.

00:37:52.000 Yeah. And you have to because the kids are near the dad and we got to kill that guy. 1.00

00:37:57.000 Yeah, when you got orders, you know And a whole apartment building like what we're talking like thousands of people, but what are we talking about? 0.93

00:38:04.000 To get to this guy.

00:38:05.000 Well, you know, there's a mushroom clown. 0.85

00:38:08.000 Boom. Yeah.

00:38:09.000 Well, there's there's a clip that Tim Pool Got like a real short interview with Donald Trump during the campaign like he I think he was the first one but it wasn't like a long-form podcast like it was he was the first podcast but he did like 20 minutes or something like that but he did get this one clip out of Donald Trump on that thing where Donald Trump is is eviscerating Joe Biden for bombing the Houthis for the same exact reason.

00:38:36.000 Because they were firing on shipping lanes. 0.99

00:38:38.000 And Donald Trump's like, what type of idiot is Joe Biden? 1.00

00:38:41.000 I mean, these guys, their answer for everything is to drop bombs on it. 1.00

00:38:45.000 Pick up a phone.

00:38:46.000 Diplomacy can work here.

00:38:48.000 Like, you don't have to do this.

00:38:49.000 And the fact is that there were, during the ceasefire, which Trump's envoy negotiated, which has fallen apart now, but during the ceasefire, there were no Houthi attacks on the shipping lanes.

00:39:02.000 Like, they've stopped them, and then when the ceasefire fell apart, they picked them back up again.

00:39:06.000 Now, feel however you feel about that.

00:39:09.000 I'm just saying, there is a diplomatic solution here, right?

00:39:13.000 Like, they are willing to, like, if there's a ceasefire, they will stop these attacks.

00:39:17.000 But there's not a military solution, short of invading the country and having yet another catastrophic war in the Middle East. 0.91

00:39:25.000 And it's like, so which one of those do you want to pick?

00:39:28.000 America first crowd?

00:39:30.000 I mean, like Donald Trump was explicitly elected for this reason as a repudiation of the foreign policy of the last 30 years.

00:39:39.000 That we're like done with this.

00:39:41.000 We want to put America first.

00:39:42.000 And as you could see, even JD Vance and then a little bit Pete Hegseth, their only issue, you know, it's never the innocent people being killed.

00:39:49.000 You know, for a bunch of Christians, it's kind of weird that that never comes up.

00:39:53.000 They're their issue is oh, this is us bailing out Europe because Europe actually relies more on these these shipping lanes than the United States does by orders of magnitude and But even that that is part of the America first thing that Donald Trump totally ran against like why is it that we have to foot?

00:40:10.000 The bill for everybody else's defense that makes no sense.

00:40:13.000 We're broke Our country is in bad shape.

00:40:16.000 We need those resources here.

00:40:18.000 What is the justification for these bombings?

00:40:20.000 What is the public justification?

00:40:22.000 That the Houthis have attacked a few U.S. cargo ships and that there's, you know, that they're international trade.

00:40:31.000 They don't have a right to disrupt international trade in this way, which is like, OK, it's true.

00:40:37.000 I mean, the thing that I've seen the most is like that people will go, well, we can't just turn a blind eye to this aggression.

00:40:43.000 by the Houthis.

00:41:13.000 When Obama started up with the drone bombing, the then-secret drone bombing campaign, and Yemen was one of the major theaters.

00:41:22.000 You know, this was where, if you remember, because it was like the biggest scandal of the Obama administration, also not talked about much in the media but was talked about on a lot of podcasts, was that Anwar al-Awlaki and his like 14 or 15 year old son, his two American citizens, were both killed by drone bombs in Yemen.

00:41:40.000 And this was Caused a bit of an outrage among some people because you were like, hey, you know, you really can't murder American citizens who have never been charged of a crime.

00:41:49.000 You can't just say, you know, I just, you know, forget that whole Bill of Rights thing.

00:41:54.000 They're on my list.

00:41:56.000 And by the way, the kid was not Al Qaeda affiliated or anything, and they claimed that that wasn't intentional, but it sure seemed like it was.

00:42:03.000 But so Obama had a drone, you know, he was fighting at the time.

00:42:08.000 Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula had like a presence in Yemen, so he's drone bombing these Al-Qaeda sites.

00:42:14.000 I think the estimates were something like 95 to 96 percent of the people who died were not the targets, so just killing a whole bunch of innocent people.

00:42:23.000 And then, as always happens in these situations, Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula just grew stronger and stronger and stronger, because this is what's going on.

00:42:31.000 You know, it's insurgent math, like General McChrystal said. 1.00

00:42:34.000 You know, you kill a bunch of innocent people, and then, you know, you kill one little girl, and she had three brothers, and a father, and two uncles, and they all join up Al-Qaeda now, because, like, fuck you, they're going to get you back for that shit. 1.00

00:42:45.000 Everyone's radicalized. 1.00

00:42:46.000 Yes. So we're doing this drone bomb campaign over there.

00:42:49.000 It's completely failing, and Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula is just getting stronger and stronger. 0.89

00:42:53.000 At the same time, Obama kind of bribed off the dictator of Yemen at the time, this guy, Saleh, And he was like, listen, if you let us do our fucking drone bombing campaigns in here, we'll give you a whole bunch of weapons and money.

00:43:09.000 And so he took the deal.

00:43:10.000 And then he used those weapons to go attack this group, the Houthis.

00:43:14.000 And then he also started losing to them. 0.97

00:43:17.000 Like, even with the U.S. weapons, the Houthis were fucking him up. 0.91

00:43:20.000 And then, little by little, the Houthis kind of took over the whole country. 0.90

00:43:24.000 And then, now, the Houthis are also enemies with al-Qaeda.

00:43:28.000 In the Arabian Peninsula, like these are radical Sunnis, Al Qaeda versus radical Shiites, the Houthis. 0.98

00:43:34.000 So they're fucking enemies and they're fighting a civil war while all this is going on. 0.97

00:43:37.000 And then Saudi Arabia decided to invade in early 2015. 0.99

00:43:43.000 And in 2015, and you can you could look this up if you Google Obama to placate the Saudis.

00:43:52.000 These are literally what the Obama officials told Uh, told the New York Times.

00:43:57.000 I believe it was the New York Times.

00:43:58.000 Um, they told them that literally this is why, so Obama stabbed the Houthis in the back, took Saudi Arabia's side, took Al Qaeda's side, started fighting on the, started using the, fighting in a civil war against the Houthis, which is, you know, in effect, taking Al Qaeda's side in that war.

00:44:16.000 And so the Saudis invade the country. 1.00

00:44:19.000 Now, Obama said essentially that because the Saudis are like an important trading partner, And they were pissed off at us at the time.

00:44:26.000 They were very upset about the war in Iraq.

00:44:28.000 The Saudis were the ones in the region who were against it the whole time, because they knew.

00:44:32.000 They were like, you're just going to give Baghdad to Iran, basically. 0.68

00:44:35.000 And that's their big enemy is Iran. 0.99

00:44:37.000 And then they were also really pissed off because Obama did the one decent thing he did in his administration was he worked out that deal with Iran. 0.96

00:44:44.000 Same goddamn thing that Trump tore up and is now demanding they get back into some type of nuclear deal. 0.92

00:44:49.000 But so in order to placate the Saudis, Obama goes, okay. 0.99

00:44:53.000 we'll back your, your war here.

00:44:55.000 And like I said, full blockade around the country, refueling their military jets.

00:44:59.000 Quiet support for Saudis entangles U.S.

00:45:02.000 and Yemen.

00:45:03.000 This is...

00:45:07.000 Yep. Here it is.

00:45:10.000 Obama, in an awkward twist, becomes Saudi Arabia's defender.

00:45:13.000 Wow. And it is hard to overstate how brutal the Saudis were in this war. 1.00

00:45:22.000 I mean, like, you know, think of Gaza.

00:45:25.000 something not too unsimilar to that, but you're talking like A full blockade around the country.

00:45:30.000 This was the poorest country in the Middle East before any of this.

00:45:34.000 Full blockade around the country.

00:45:36.000 The Saudis were bombing. 0.99

00:45:37.000 They were bombing their agriculture.

00:45:39.000 They were bombing their like wheat silos.

00:45:42.000 They were bombing their irrigation ditches.

00:45:45.000 They're just like a total war on the civilian population all the way from 2015 into 2021 when it essentially ended in like an Afghanistan style, I guess we give up. 0.98

00:45:57.000 Like it was just eventually the status, I think the Houthis, you know, one of the things that's really interesting that happened this whole time, like you were talking about the drone wars.

00:46:04.000 So back in 2009, first of all, it was secret.

00:46:08.000 The drone program wasn't, everyone knew it, there had been good reporting on it, but the way they got the good reporting was like people found the drones in Yemen, you know, and they'd take like little, you know, grainy cell phone pictures and be like, look, this is a US drone.

00:46:21.000 So there's clearly, but actually the Obama's press secretary It's not, goddammit, not Jay Carney, his first press secretary.

00:46:32.000 I'm blanking on his name.

00:46:33.000 But he admitted this on NBC News.

00:46:37.000 It was like a really amazing, but he was talking about how the drone program, this is years later, like 2012.

00:46:43.000 He's at NBC News now.

00:46:45.000 And he was talking about how when he used to get questions about the drone program, he wasn't allowed to even acknowledge that it was real.

00:46:53.000 So he would just sit there.

00:46:55.000 Yeah, Robert Gibbs.

00:46:56.000 I apologize.

00:46:57.000 I should have remembered that.

00:46:58.000 I was told not to even acknowledge the drone program.

00:47:01.000 There's video of this.

00:47:02.000 When I went through the process of becoming press secretary, one of the first things they told me was, you're not even to acknowledge the drone program.

00:47:09.000 You're not even to discuss that it exists, said former White House press secretary Robert Gibbs.

00:47:15.000 Up with Chris Hayes Sunday.

00:47:17.000 So now think about, okay, by the way, there is video of this.

00:47:20.000 It wasn't, you know, I don't know if it's in this article or not.

00:47:22.000 But I mean, that was essentially the point.

00:47:24.000 But the thing in the video that's so funny is that they all are laughing about it.

00:47:27.000 Like they're talking about like what kind of what a funny thing it is.

00:47:30.000 Like imagine being in the position where you can't admit that a real thing's real and journalists are asking you questions.

00:47:35.000 And he said, because it is kind of funny in a weird way.

00:47:38.000 But that's like you'd think a newsman would that wouldn't be the number one thing.

00:47:42.000 Oh, yeah, this is it.

00:47:43.000 Down in the, uh, in the sauna.

00:47:48.000 I certainly think there are aspects of that program that are and will remain highly sensitive and very secret.

00:47:56.000 But let me give you an example here, Chris.

00:47:59.000 When I went through the process of becoming press secretary, one of the first things they told me was, you're not even to acknowledge the drone program.

00:48:07.000 You're not even to discuss that it exists.

00:48:11.000 And so I would get a question like that and literally I couldn't tell you what major asked because once I figured out it was about the drone program, I realized I'm not supposed to talk about it.

00:48:20.000 But here's what's inherently crazy about that proposition.

00:48:24.000 You're being asked a question based on reporting Of a program that exists.

00:48:30.000 Right. So you're the official government spokesperson acting as if the entire program...

00:48:36.000 Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

00:48:38.000 I think in many ways, and I think what the president has seen, and I have not talked to him about this, so I want to be careful.

00:48:44.000 This is my opinion.

00:48:45.000 But I think what the president has seen is our denial of the existence of the program when it's obviously happening undermines people's confidence overall in the decisions that their government makes.

00:48:58.000 That's really that's the major problem with murdering people in the poorest country in the Middle East.

00:49:03.000 You know, it might undermine people's trust in you and therefore your ability to murder more people in the poorest country in the Middle East. 0.70

00:49:09.000 So just like, by the way.

00:49:22.000 You hired that guy.

00:49:24.000 The guy who's sitting there telling you.

00:49:26.000 Like, when it comes to the issue, forget whether you're for the war or against the war.

00:49:31.000 It's a secret war.

00:49:33.000 Forget democracy, the people aren't even allowed to have an opinion on that.

00:49:36.000 You're not even as the White House press secretary.

00:49:39.000 You're not even allowed to acknowledge it.

00:49:43.000 And like, why not?

00:49:44.000 I mean, it's not as if they were like, well, if Al-Qaeda knows that we're coming for them, then something is compromised.

00:49:51.000 It's just like, oh yeah, Obama ran as the peace candidate.

00:49:55.000 He collected a Nobel Peace Prize before he had done anything.

00:49:58.000 And he didn't particularly want to tell people that he had just started this new campaign of just murdering whoever he wanted to for whatever reason he wanted to.

00:50:05.000 You know, one of the things that's interesting about the technology of it, and I remember people much smarter than me predicting this at the time, I guess I never really appreciated like exactly the timetable of all of it, but it went in 2009, which he's talking about 2009, a few years later there, it went from like, oh, the US has this new technology where we can use drones in war, So all of a sudden, now in 2025, you're sitting around and everybody, like, this is just part of war now.

00:50:34.000 You know, literally, even the Houthis, I mean, they don't have the capabilities we have, but they have drone bombs.

00:50:40.000 And that's part of how they were able to get the Saudis to finally back out, is like, they could hit some of their oil fields with their drone bombs, and it was enough of a pain in the ass for the Saudis to be like, all right, like, call it quits. 0.66

00:50:52.000 And so they ended that war in 21. But now these Houthis have been in charge of Yemen the whole time since. 0.98

00:50:58.000 You know, in the same way that it was like, we fought this whole war to get the Taliban out of Afghanistan, we just lost.

00:51:04.000 Like, they just still run the whole place.

00:51:06.000 And so these guys are still there. 0.56

00:51:08.000 They have gone through what was The worst humanitarian crisis in the world from 2015 to 2021 They survived all of that and they're still there and now they see the same goddamn thing happening in Gaza Then they're the one again. 0.94

00:51:22.000 I'm not like this is their stated thing I'm not saying like they're all great people or something, but they're going like no fuck that We're standing up for the people in Gaza And so they were like as long as all of you guys are supporting Israel just slaughtering all these people Then we're going to start, you know, like trying to shut down these shipping lines, which they don't really have the capacity to do, but they can hit some cargo ships and hit some military ships. 0.91

00:51:45.000 How does this ever settle?

00:51:47.000 How does this ever relax?

00:51:49.000 Like when you look at what happened in Gaza and you think about the tensions that existed before October 7th and then this happens and then the Israeli attack happens, like how does anything come to a peaceful resolution at this point?

00:52:05.000 Well, It looks really bad at the moment right now, you know, and like what I always like to say, which I you know is like 50% just me telling myself something to feel better about the situation, but then 50% like it is kind of you know, like you look you could go around the world right now and like England is right next to is right next to Ireland and everybody's just cool there right now.

00:52:30.000 And that would have seemed like impossible, you know?

00:52:32.000 And like France and Germany and you know what I mean?

00:52:35.000 Like there are all these countries where like there was a time where it just seemed impossible.

00:52:38.000 And you know, that was Egypt and Israel. 0.57

00:52:41.000 So Egypt and Israel went to war four times in the first 20 something years of the existence of the state of Israel.

00:52:48.000 They just kept going to war and war and war against each other.

00:52:51.000 And then in the late 70s, they made a deal and it was like a land for peace swap.

00:52:57.000 But isn't it part of the problem that Palestine is not a state.

00:53:01.000 Yeah, that's like the whole problem.

00:53:03.000 You can never come to peace if you never even acknowledge they exist.

00:53:10.000 Israel took control of what are known as the occupied territories.

00:53:16.000 They took control of Gaza and the West Bank in 1967.

00:53:19.000 And it's one thing, I'm not saying it's ever justified, but it's one thing to occupy an area for a few months after a war as you're going through the process of turning it over to themselves or maybe even a few years.

00:53:34.000 But we're going into 60 years of complete Israeli control over these people. 0.78

00:53:42.000 And under Israeli control, they have zero rights. 0.87

00:53:47.000 Zero rights whatsoever.

00:53:48.000 I mean like they don't have the freedom of movement.

00:53:51.000 They don't have freedom to trade with the outside world They don't have voting rights.

00:53:54.000 They don't have the right of due process They get they get if literally to this day like in the West Bank Where there's like all these big Israeli settlements because the Israelis are just constantly slowly stealing more of the Palestinians land They if like an Israeli settler in the West Bank in the same jurisdiction Gets in a dispute with a Palestinian there The Israeli citizen, he's a citizen of Israel. 0.75

00:54:17.000 He has rights.

00:54:18.000 He goes to a trial. 1.00

00:54:20.000 The fucking, the Palestinian goes in front of a military trial, if he's lucky enough to get that. 1.00

00:54:26.000 They have something like a 99% conviction rate. 1.00

00:54:29.000 You're just totally fucked. 0.99

00:54:31.000 Like, and this, and, and then, look, a lot of people will point to like, look, like there's, there's been terrorism. 1.00

00:54:39.000 On the Arab side, toward the Israelis, going back many years.

00:54:43.000 But I think you're essentially right.

00:54:45.000 You can't expect a group of people to just be subjugated for eternity and nobody's going to try to violently fight back.

00:54:53.000 And of course, when they non-violently try to fight back, that gets squashed too.

00:54:57.000 That gets met with violence.

00:54:58.000 And then the wildest thing, Trump comes along and says, we're going to take it.

00:55:01.000 We're going to take it.

00:55:02.000 We're going to turn it into the Mediterranean of the Middle East. 0.99

00:55:05.000 It's such a, man, it's such a...

00:55:07.000 I really just, and I'll say, listen, I know, like the last time I was on was on election night and I, look, I supported Donald Trump in this last election.

00:55:16.000 I think Donald Trump was like a necessary force.

00:55:21.000 Donald Trump is a once in a century type of figure.

00:55:25.000 If that.

00:55:26.000 Yeah. I mean, there was just, nobody was positioned to do the things that Donald Trump did.

00:55:32.000 And there were like enormous positives that came out of him winning this election.

00:55:36.000 Donald Trump landed a devastating blow on the Republican establishment in 2016 when he won the primary.

00:55:44.000 And he landed a devastating blow against the Democratic establishment by winning the presidency this year.

00:55:51.000 the corporate media, like in a way that nobody else could have done.

00:55:55.000 And all of those things are like incredible achievements, you know.

00:56:07.000 And I will say there were just there were hopes that it was like, hey, he may be this time around.

00:56:13.000 Now, man, he's got Bobby Kennedy there.

00:56:14.000 He's got Tulsi Gabbard there.

00:56:16.000 He's got like, OK, this is like a whole different war in one day.

00:56:19.000 Yes. Right.

00:56:19.000 He's got he's here to end the wars.

00:56:21.000 Also, like he had been burned by the system now.

00:56:24.000 You know, it's not just that they call them a Russian traitor or whatever.

00:56:26.000 It's like they try to throw him in jail.

00:56:29.000 They tried to murder him?

00:56:32.000 Somebody did.

00:56:34.000 Somebody did.

00:56:35.000 He had five phones.

00:56:38.000 Professionally scrubbed apartment.

00:56:41.000 Many times, presidential candidates, the frontrunner to be president, once again, former presidents, a sniper gets a clean shot 130 yards away from them.

00:56:48.000 That's a very common thing.

00:56:49.000 Especially a guy who was in a Black Rock commercial just a couple of years ago.

00:56:51.000 And a lot of those guys were in Black Rock commercials once, Joe.

00:56:54.000 These are normal things that happen to normal people.

00:56:57.000 It's part of everyday politics. 1.00

00:56:59.000 But so a lot of this made people think like, oh maybe, but I will say, already into Trump's presidency, It's just a lot, it's like, ah, shit. 0.96

00:57:09.000 Now, I guess I gotta be happy with the things that he did, but the idea that he's really figured this out, or he's really onto something, or he's learned a lot, or he's got... 0.96

00:57:16.000 The guy is out there, he's saying we should primary Thomas Massie, and throwing his support behind Lindsey Graham.

00:57:22.000 I mean, come on!

00:57:24.000 What is Thomas Massie doing that's pissing him off? 0.97

00:57:26.000 No, he didn't vote for the freaking spending bill. 0.80

00:57:29.000 He voted against the CR because it increased spending and was increasing the debt and it was refunding all of the programs that Doge had recommended be cut. 0.81

00:57:38.000 So he was like, no, I'm not voting for this.

00:57:40.000 And Trump was like, well, I'm going to need you to vote for it.

00:57:41.000 And he was like, no.

00:57:43.000 And that's it.

00:57:44.000 That's his crime.

00:57:45.000 The same thing.

00:57:46.000 Same reason Trump hated him in 2020 because he wouldn't vote for the $2 trillion COVID spending bill.

00:57:52.000 Cause he was like, wait, you're telling me because the country's locked down, that means we have to bail out every giant corporation around the country?

00:57:58.000 Like, no, I'm not supporting this.

00:57:59.000 And then Trump sent all his people to go, you know, he's betraying America first or whatever.

00:58:05.000 And there's once Trump gets in it, he just wants like, you know, the next win.

00:58:08.000 Um, but you know, the, the real problem here is like the, I look, the idea that we are going to go And and ethnically cleanse like finish the job of ethnically cleansing the Palestinians out of Gaza on behalf of Israel It's like what first of all, what do you think? 0.80

00:58:28.000 What do you think the reaction to that's gonna be?

00:58:30.000 What do you think?

00:58:31.000 What do you think that's gonna do to our country here?

00:58:33.000 You know, it's like I feel It's like I see a lot of people who get very upset about what they they call the rise of anti-semitism Um, which certainly, you know, according to my Twitter feed is, is real.

00:58:48.000 There's a lot of people.

00:58:49.000 Do you think it's, well, is it a rise or is it the ability to express it now been unlocked?

00:58:57.000 Or is it both?

00:58:58.000 I don't know.

00:58:58.000 Maybe both.

00:58:59.000 You know, I have a tough time kind of figuring out exactly what it is.

00:59:03.000 It's also, um, There's there's a troll aspect to it.

00:59:07.000 You know, there's there's when you make one thing the thing that you're not allowed to say and the thing that's gonna get a rise out of everybody.

00:59:15.000 There's this has been true and it's been building for for many years kind of the alt right back in the day was kind of the first, you know version of this but where you could be some guy Just act on your computer.

00:59:29.000 You could be a 15 year old on your phone or whatever and you could get you know, the New York Times senior editor to be like You know and just the ability to provoke that reaction out of somebody is that's fun shit first Yes, that's and for you're handing this person who has no power like some real kind of power, right?

00:59:51.000 I also think that I'm young for young men Today, particularly like young, straight, white men.

00:59:58.000 I think it's kind of hard, like for me and you, to even understand the world they grew up in.

01:00:06.000 It's very different than the world we grew up, like they grew up in this woke era.

01:00:10.000 And okay, now it's kind of like that's receded and wokeism has been defeated.

01:00:13.000 But they grew up in a time where racialism was accepted by every powerful institution just against them.

01:00:23.000 Right. You know, like it was totally fine to demonize straight white men at your high school, at your college, in your movies, in your TV shows, your politicians, celebrities, everybody.

01:00:33.000 And that does, like, it unlocks a certain thing that we kind of all had a gentleman's agreement to not unlock.

01:00:42.000 Like, we're just not really going to do that.

01:00:43.000 You know, we don't want to be, like, racialists.

01:00:45.000 And so that's, I think that's a component to it, too.

01:00:48.000 But there's also no question that it's You know, it's exploded since Israel's launched this war on Gaza.

01:00:56.000 Yeah, and it's exploded on the left, which you never heard anti-Jewish sentiment in public spaces before.

01:01:04.000 You really never saw that on campuses.

01:01:06.000 You know, if Israel did something, you may see a protest, but it was generally organic.

01:01:13.000 These don't seem organic.

01:01:15.000 They seem very funded. 0.98

01:01:17.000 And they're very disruptive and, you know, some universities experience vandalism and fires and crazy shit and people being threatened and doxxed. 0.97

01:01:28.000 You know, it's different. 0.92

01:01:30.000 It's a different level of it than I think we've ever seen before.

01:01:34.000 And it's kind of, it's created a giant divide on the left, right?

01:01:38.000 Because on the left you have a lot of people that are, their whole life they've been in support of Israel.

01:01:44.000 Right. And now all of a sudden there's these free Palestine people that are also on the left.

01:01:48.000 So you this divide on the left.

01:01:51.000 Yeah. And there was that divide goes back like there were leftist divides over the Israel Palestine question going back really to like 1967 where most of the kind of like the black power We're good. 1.00

01:02:20.000 colonizing, you know, like force.

01:02:22.000 And then, of course, there were a lot of influential Jewish people on the left who were like, no, not in this case.

01:02:29.000 We're OK with it.

01:02:30.000 But you guys sure are right about all that civil rights stuff.

01:02:33.000 But like, let's not look at it.

01:02:34.000 Let's not look over there.

01:02:36.000 But so a lot of that has kind of re-emerged.

01:02:38.000 Now I do also, you know, I don't know, like I've talked to one kid who was like a grad student at Columbia, which was really like the center of so many of these protests, and he's Jewish.

01:02:52.000 And I was like, so what's it like?

01:02:55.000 And he was like, yeah, they're annoying, and they're Latin, like some of their chants are like real kind of weird, like I don't really know what they mean by it. 1.00

01:03:02.000 And I was like, well, do you ever feel like threatened or it's like, no, no, it's not like it's fine.

01:03:07.000 They'll just chant as you walk by.

01:03:09.000 And then I do know also that they they had at least one time they had like a Seder service with because they got like Jewish people in those protest movements, too.

01:03:18.000 And so they over last Passover is a year ago.

01:03:21.000 They had like a Seder service with the Jews like in there, too.

01:03:24.000 So I also don't I don't know, like, What percentage of them are, like, just against the war and seeing pictures of dead babies and stuff like that?

01:03:32.000 What percentage of them are actually, you know, like, harbor resentment toward Jewish people?

01:03:37.000 Like, it's kind of hard to measure, but I would just say that, like, it almost in a very similar way to, like, what I was talking about with the drone war against al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.

01:03:48.000 It just made him stronger.

01:03:50.000 It's like, hey, if you want to see less Al Qaeda, maybe stop having the American military kill innocent civilians in their land because that seems to be fueling them. 0.86

01:04:00.000 And at the same time, for the people who are so concerned about the rise of anti-Semitism, you're like, OK, well, it has exploded since Israel's been doing this to Gaza. 0.61

01:04:07.000 Right. So, like, maybe the U.S.

01:04:10.000 shouldn't be funding and arming. 0.99

01:04:11.000 The whole goddamn conflict. 0.98

01:04:13.000 Because that does seem to, like, at least give those people a giant talking point to latch onto. 0.99

01:04:18.000 Maybe we shouldn't have a system where, like, our political class is not allowed to criticize a foreign government.

01:04:26.000 And a foreign government that's gotten us into, like, seven wars.

01:04:31.000 At least played a large role in getting us into those wars.

01:04:34.000 Explicitly. I'm not, like, alleging some secret conspiracy.

01:04:38.000 I'm saying like, Benjamin Netanyahu is John McCain.

01:04:42.000 He's been telling us Iran has a nuke.

01:04:44.000 He's been telling us they're five years away from a nuke since I was seven.

01:04:48.000 Literally, he's been saying Iran is five years away from a nuke.

01:04:50.000 The entire time.

01:04:52.000 And he came over here, he testified before Congress in 2002 that we, as a regional expert, No, Muammar Gaddafi and like every single one of these things, not Iran yet, still pushing for that, but we went and overthrew Saddam Hussein.

01:05:15.000 We went and overthrew Muammar Gaddafi.

01:05:16.000 And I don't know what swept the region, but it wasn't democracy.

01:05:21.000 I remember in the early 2000s when I realized there's two Fighting factions of Islam.

01:05:28.000 I was like what?

01:05:29.000 Yeah, and that's Saddam Hussein.

01:05:31.000 It actually kept that from Boiling over.

01:05:34.000 Yeah, because he was in control.

01:05:36.000 Yeah. No, it's I remember learning it too right around the same time You're telling me there are shirts and skins over there fight against each other Like what do they do?

01:05:44.000 You know the difference between Sunni and Shiite?

01:05:47.000 I mean, I know that they're different sects of Islam, but like in terms of like the religion itself...

01:05:51.000 Is it like the Catholics versus the Protestants? 0.98

01:05:54.000 Yeah, I think it's something like that.

01:05:55.000 Like it's always the people with the like most minor interpretations of their holy book differences who like go to war the most aggressively.

01:06:02.000 You know what I mean?

01:06:03.000 Like it's like Catholics and the Protestants. 0.99

01:06:05.000 You know, like you agree on 95% of this religion, but like whatever.

01:06:09.000 If you didn't know about that conflict, you would never believe it's real.

01:06:12.000 Like Christians going to war with other Christians, like different sects. 0.98

01:06:16.000 Brutal, horrible wars.

01:06:18.000 Especially when you could like read about Jesus and you'd be like, this doesn't seem to be what he's saying at all, man. 1.00

01:06:23.000 Who's at the helm of this fucking battleship? 0.87

01:06:26.000 It's unbelievable to me that any, and I'm not claiming to be any type of religious expert and I'm not a Christian, but it is unbelievable to me that anybody could be a Christian and could then like somehow do the mental gymnastics and rationalization to be like, and that's why you got to support every war. 0.99

01:06:45.000 That's why we've got to fight every single one of these wars.

01:06:48.000 Because you know, just like that guy Jesus told us, slaughter women and babies. 0.91

01:06:52.000 Seems like the opposite of his message, from my humble understanding of it.

01:06:56.000 So the argument of that, if you want to take the argument, would be like, you have to do that to protect everyone here.

01:07:02.000 Yeah. I mean, that's the argument.

01:07:04.000 Right. Like, we have to go to war with Iran. 0.99

01:07:07.000 A country that doesn't have nuclear weapons or an Air Force capable of delivering them here. 0.92

01:07:12.000 And it's so convenient that they're evil.

01:07:14.000 So convenient that they torture students and they execute Olympic gold medalists in wrestling because they protested against the government.

01:07:22.000 It's so convenient. 1.00

01:07:24.000 Well, it's also like, you know, there's evil shit going on all over the world. 1.00

01:07:29.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

01:07:29.000 And it's terrible that there is. 1.00

01:07:31.000 But isn't it interesting how, like, the next war...

01:07:34.000 You know, like, I was in...

01:07:36.000 I did a debate at Princeton University a few months back against Josh Hammer, who's an editor at Newsweek, and we did an Oxford-style debate on whether the U.S. should support Israel.

01:07:52.000 And one of the things he said to me – so I was talking about all this stuff, like the clean-break strategy in the seven countries in five years, and he was like, oh, the war in Libya, that was a totally separate issue.

01:08:02.000 Like, that was like a liberal interventionist war.

01:08:07.000 And I was like, well, it sure is a coincidence that it was one of the seven countries.

01:08:11.000 You know what I mean?

01:08:11.000 Like, what a wild coincidence!

01:08:13.000 Kind of crazy.

01:08:14.000 That the government we decided to overthrow was the exact government that four-star General Wesley Clark told me we were planning on overthrowing way before any of these claims about how Gaddafi...

01:08:24.000 The Libya one is wild. 1.00

01:08:26.000 Yeah. The Libya one's wild when you see how good of a leader he was.

01:08:30.000 He was obviously an evil dictator. 0.65

01:08:32.000 No question. 0.96

01:08:33.000 An eccentric fellow? 1.00

01:08:34.000 Yeah, definitely a piece of shit. 1.00

01:08:36.000 However, for the people that lived there, they got no interest loans, they had incredible infrastructure, their economy's doing well, they were at peace. 1.00

01:08:46.000 I think it was one of the richest countries in Africa, which is, you know, grating on a curve, but still.

01:08:51.000 Then, a few years later, after we helped people, we assisted, it becomes a failed state, and they have slave auctions on YouTube.

01:09:02.000 That's right.

01:09:02.000 I've heard it's recovered somewhat.

01:09:04.000 Yeah. People reach out from Libya and tell me the Tripoli is actually not bad. 1.00

01:09:08.000 It's doing better than it was.

01:09:10.000 But also, and the other part of this is that this was a huge contributing factor to the migrant crisis in Europe.

01:09:18.000 You know, like all these things do have like these domino effects.

01:09:21.000 So then Gaddafi also was kind of like not allowing that to happen.

01:09:25.000 And then you had these huge numbers of refugees pouring into Europe.

01:09:40.000 And we were going over civil unrest and the use of civil unrest.

01:09:47.000 One of the things that civil unrest does do really well is it makes people want to have measures to stop civil unrest that ultimately erode liberties.

01:09:56.000 It's a really good strategy.

01:09:57.000 So if you want to take away people's guns, take away right to protest, one of the best things to do is to release as many criminals as you can and flood your city with violence and crime.

01:10:09.000 The more violence and crime you have, the more people will be freaked out.

01:10:13.000 The more people will be freaked out, the more likely they are to give in to new measures of control.

01:10:17.000 That's exactly right.

01:10:18.000 Exactly. And you can do that worldwide.

01:10:20.000 Well, you can watch it.

01:10:21.000 But also, let's talk about Europe, okay, in particular.

01:10:25.000 Let's talk about Germany.

01:10:26.000 Let's just talk about the UK.

01:10:33.000 One thing they've been doing is arresting people for Facebook posts.

01:10:36.000 They're arresting people for stepping out of line.

01:10:39.000 So they're moving closer and closer to totalitarianism.

01:10:44.000 And if you look at the numbers of people, that have been arrested for just Facebook.

01:10:51.000 One of them was, someone just got arrested, pulled out of his house at 2 o'clock in the morning for a Facebook post saying that he didn't like the Palestinian flag.

01:10:59.000 I mean, this is wild stuff.

01:11:01.000 It's wild stuff.

01:11:02.000 And thousands of arrests, not just, have you ever seen Konstantin Kissin talking to someone about this?

01:11:07.000 Yeah. He was explaining, yeah, he was explaining like Russia imprisoned 400 people for posts on social media.

01:11:13.000 That's crazy, right?

01:11:14.000 How many do you think the UK did?

01:11:16.000 And he's like, oh, I have no idea.

01:11:17.000 It's like 4,000.

01:11:19.000 He's like, what?

01:11:20.000 Yeah. Thousands of people are getting arrested in the UK, and you're only seeing some of them.

01:11:25.000 You're seeing the people that are filming it at the time who have the wherewithal to grab a cell phone.

01:11:33.000 There's a lot of people that have just been by themselves that just got scooped up.

01:11:36.000 What was it?

01:11:36.000 I think it was 60 Minutes did a piece where they had like three lawyers They were sitting there and like we're kind of like asking them like so would this post be okay?

01:11:45.000 Would this be okay?

01:11:46.000 Could I say something and they're like well posting it is actually much worse than just saying it and I mean like it is Really creepy.

01:11:53.000 It's really creepy, but you're so right you're so spot-on about this kind of like this this like one-two punch of like Destabilization and then government coming in with the solution.

01:12:04.000 Yeah, it's a Harry Brown Who was a he's he's deceased now, but he's a brilliant Guy he was like he ran for president on the Libertarian Party in 96 and 2000 But he used to he used to say the the government breaks your leg and then offers you a crutch And then like they convince you to be thankful for the crutch.

01:12:27.000 You're like man of this government wasn't here.

01:12:29.000 I wouldn't have a crutch I'd be walking around on broken legs, but you see it.

01:12:32.000 We're like look even um if you just watch I remember like during 2020 in When the George Floyd thing first happened, and forget whatever the autopsy, there was the one autopsy that said it was fentanyl that killed him.

01:12:46.000 Leaving all of that aside, just when the video of Derek Chauvin kneeling on this guy's neck, who's on the ground and crying in pain, and he's kind of smiling, and then the guy dies.

01:12:58.000 Everybody I know, I mean it was so unified.

01:13:01.000 I knew hardcore right-wingers, you know.

01:13:05.000 My Fox News Watching father-in-law remember the day I was at his house the day it happened And he goes every one of those cops should be put in handcuffs on national television And he goes they should all be charged with murder like there was you know that was like you cannot do this and then after the riots started in the summer all those same people were like send in the military and You know what,

01:13:26.000 like you just see how like someone could so quickly go from like, you know, we really need some police reform here, like there is too much state power of policing, to then after you see some riots, what are you asking for?

01:13:36.000 Well, who's going to stop that?

01:13:37.000 Martial law? 0.95

01:13:38.000 Yeah, we need the government to come in and crack down, more police power than ever before.

01:13:43.000 So you could see like, and that's just like a little scale, but you could see how much that demand, and sometimes Very understandably so like in that example very understandably So because you're like well, I don't know like I'm totally against like the over militarization of the police But when you have these huge riots it cross every major city in the country.

01:14:03.000 You're like, well, I guess that's this is the one time We have a reason to have that and then by the way, of course, they don't do anything to stop it Yeah, just let it go.

01:14:11.000 It's all it's the the George Floyd one was fascinating because it wasn't a setup It was just an organic moment Where someone was filming some guy who had a guy lean.

01:14:24.000 Now, was he on his neck or was he on his shoulder?

01:14:26.000 Because I keep hearing people online saying he was on his shoulder.

01:14:30.000 Maybe, maybe.

01:14:30.000 That might be right.

01:14:32.000 The thing is, on the neck, you're really going to go out.

01:14:36.000 You're going to go to sleep.

01:14:38.000 You know, if the guy's really pressuring your neck like that, you're going to, like, anybody who thinks that's not a big deal, Get someone who knows how to put weight on the knee leaning on your neck.

01:14:48.000 Okay, he's right on the neck.

01:14:49.000 No question at all.

01:14:50.000 Okay, that will put you to sleep for the most part and that will definitely constrict your breathing depending upon how much weight he actually has on that neck and how strong George Floyd is. 0.99

01:15:01.000 Now imagine this guy's already fucked up. 0.99

01:15:03.000 He already has an enlarged heart. 1.00

01:15:05.000 He's on fentanyl. 1.00

01:15:06.000 He's already fucked up. 1.00

01:15:06.000 But would he have died without this happening? 1.00

01:15:09.000 Well, from what I understand, there were two autopsies.

01:15:12.000 People want to say it was an overdose.

01:15:15.000 Well, it's certainly, he had poor health because of drug abuse, and it certainly must have contributed to it, but are you saying that that wouldn't have a giant effect on someone in poor health? 0.95

01:15:29.000 Like, if you did that to an old man with emphysema, if you had some guy who's been smoking cigarettes for 50 years, and you got on his neck, He could fucking die right there, whereas if you didn't get on his neck, he'd probably live a long time.

01:15:42.000 Right, and you can't say it was the smoking that killed him if it was that. 0.92

01:15:46.000 Right. Remember Eric Gardner?

01:15:48.000 It was another one.

01:15:48.000 And Eric Gardner, people were saying, you know, he died because he's fat and he had a heart attack.

01:15:53.000 I was like, no, dude, that guy's choking him.

01:15:55.000 And if you don't think that guy's choking him, let me grab your neck like that. 0.82

01:15:58.000 You don't think that's a choke?

01:15:59.000 Oh, because it's one arm?

01:16:01.000 I'll put you to sleep with one arm.

01:16:03.000 Yeah, oh yeah.

01:16:04.000 You can put someone to sleep.

01:16:05.000 I've watched UFC fighters get put to sleep, professional fighters get put to sleep with one arm.

01:16:09.000 Professional world champion Sean Brady choked out Leon Edwards, for the most part, with a one-arm guillotine.

01:16:16.000 And Luke Rockhold got Mike Bisping the same way.

01:16:19.000 Yeah, Mike Bisping, one-arm guillotine.

01:16:20.000 Yeah, Tito Ortiz got somebody with that.

01:16:22.000 The one-arm guillotine is legit.

01:16:24.000 Oh, and anybody who's like, If anybody who, like, knows what they're doing, it was grappling anyone who doesn't know what they're doing, they could all one-arm choke you out.

01:16:33.000 Yeah, they were saying, oh, he just restrained him.

01:16:36.000 Like, no, no, no.

01:16:37.000 No, no, no, no.

01:16:38.000 When you restrain someone, you get their arms behind their back, you pin their weight down.

01:16:42.000 You could just restrain the guy.

01:16:44.000 If you were a good jujitsu player.

01:16:48.000 Yeah. So that was another one, right?

01:17:02.000 But these are real moments.

01:17:03.000 These are organic moments. 0.99

01:17:04.000 They're not setups, but boy, are they good at capitalizing on those fucking things. 0.99

01:17:08.000 And then when you see public officials going with this swarm of narrative, the swarm of narrative was, defund the police. 1.00

01:17:16.000 Like, are you guys out of your fucking mind? 0.99

01:17:19.000 In the middle of these riots, you're going to go against the police instead of going against the rioters? 1.00

01:17:23.000 You got one bad cop.

01:17:24.000 That bad cop should be prosecuted or something should happen.

01:17:28.000 He should be, you know...

01:17:30.000 If the guy died of an overdose, at the very least, what he's doing seems to be brutal.

01:17:35.000 Yeah. And unnecessary.

01:17:37.000 Unnecessary and brutal.

01:17:38.000 The guy's not resisting.

01:17:40.000 You put your weight on his back.

01:17:42.000 It's hard enough. 1.00

01:17:43.000 It's so hard to get up if someone has their fucking knee on your back. 0.99

01:17:46.000 It's so hard to get up, especially if you're out of shape and you have an enlarged heart and you're on fentanyl. 0.99

01:17:51.000 Now, there's also seven cops around him.

01:17:53.000 And he wasn't, I mean, I've watched the whole body cam footage. 1.00

01:17:56.000 He was clearly fucked up. 0.99

01:17:59.000 And he was clearly having like a massive panic attack. 1.00

01:18:02.000 Yeah. But he wasn't like being like violent with the cops.

01:18:07.000 He wasn't dangerous.

01:18:08.000 He wasn't a threat for that many cops.

01:18:10.000 Cops get so desensitized and you have so many experiences with one individual.

01:18:17.000 This guy had a long criminal record.

01:18:19.000 The people that worked that area probably all knew him.

01:18:23.000 Derek Chauvin and him work together somewhere?

01:18:26.000 Yeah, I remember hearing that.

01:18:27.000 Security somewhere?

01:18:29.000 Yeah, they were doing some security gig together, I think so.

01:18:33.000 So there's probably some get-back involved in that knee-on-the-neck?

01:18:37.000 Right, quite possibly.

01:18:38.000 It's also one of those things where, look, most of the time someone won't die if you do that.

01:18:45.000 They probably do that all the time.

01:18:46.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:18:49.000 Most of the time someone's not filming it.

01:18:50.000 Yes. That's also true.

01:18:52.000 And if the if the body cam footage comes out, it's usually much later.

01:18:56.000 So it's not kind of like as a media thing.

01:18:59.000 Also, usually every single media outlet in the entire United States of America in the middle of a lockdown doesn't play the video on repeat all day, every single day, because there was no reason.

01:19:10.000 The thing about George Floyd that was crazy is that there was no reason for it to be a national story and there was no reason for it to be a racial story.

01:19:17.000 Like there wasn't.

01:19:18.000 Really? Why don't you think that It would be no reason for it to be a national story when a cop kills a guy for a false $20 bill.

01:19:26.000 No, no, no.

01:19:27.000 When I say that, okay, I'm not saying there's no story there.

01:19:32.000 I'm saying we're a country of 330 million people.

01:19:35.000 There are a number of these incidents that happen every year.

01:19:39.000 Not like a crazy high number, but there's a few hundred of these every year.

01:19:43.000 This one kind of That's a fair point.

01:19:57.000 A bit different.

01:19:59.000 I mean, number one, the video element then was way crazier because it was...

01:20:02.000 Nobody had ever seen a video before.

01:20:04.000 There's a guy with a giant thing who happens to be on his balcony at the right time. 0.97

01:20:08.000 And also, they beat the ever-loving shit out of him. 0.98

01:20:12.000 Like, it was... 0.98

01:20:13.000 Yeah, I mean, they were...

01:20:13.000 Just after he was down and taken, they just kept going and kept going.

01:20:17.000 But the other thing that I always thought was, like, you kind of...

01:20:22.000 The George Floyd thing, it's not like there was, like, any element in there where, like, They were calling him the n-word or there was some type of like racial like thing like it didn't ever seem to me That there was any reason to believe that like had he been a giant white dude Tweaking out on drugs doing the exact same thing.

01:20:40.000 It wouldn't have gone the exact same way, right?

01:20:42.000 But he wasn't the thing is is a what is post Rodney King?

01:20:47.000 It is a white guy on the neck of a black guy, but there was also a Asian cop and a black cop and yeah, but they weren't doing the kneeling and they also got a fair point That is a fair point. 0.82

01:20:57.000 Didn't they get prosecuted?

01:20:58.000 I he he got convicted of murder.

01:21:01.000 I'm Asian cop got executed as well.

01:21:05.000 See what other cops got prosecuted I think it's one of those things where you're supposed to step in and say you get off his back I think that's totally reasonable.

01:21:14.000 I mean, yeah, that's you know to be like, hey, listen, he is totally the thing is like I want to know it was he on his Neck the whole time because I had heard that he was also he was on his shoulder and then but that is on his neck So that yeah, I'd have to go watch that horrible video over again.

01:21:30.000 I don't want to do that.

01:21:31.000 I was Yeah, it's dark today.

01:21:34.000 I was watching some horrible videos today from Gaza this guy carrying around a headless, baby Showing what happened to his child. 1.00

01:21:41.000 It's just so fucked another guy was holding a child's arm in his hand Dude, it's it is so it's so level the level of evil That this shit is. 0.99

01:21:50.000 I mean, you see, I know you've seen it, but you see the drone videos, like the aerial footage of Gaza? 1.00

01:21:55.000 Gaza's gone.

01:21:56.000 It's gone. 1.00

01:21:56.000 They fucking destroyed the whole goddamn place. 1.00

01:21:59.000 It's hard to believe. 1.00

01:22:00.000 I saw one estimate said that it was 90% of the population has been What's the word I'm looking for?

01:22:12.000 Displaced? Displaced, yeah.

01:22:13.000 90% of them are gone.

01:22:14.000 Who's the 10% gangster that's still there?

01:22:17.000 I'm good.

01:22:18.000 Find that guy and train him.

01:22:20.000 That's your Rambo. 0.97

01:22:21.000 What is this, Jamie?

01:22:22.000 Three of the cops were found guilty of violating his rights, and one other one pled guilty to aiding and abetting second-degree murder or manslaughter.

01:22:30.000 Yeah, that was the Asian guy.

01:22:31.000 He got three and a half years.

01:22:32.000 Jesus. All right.

01:22:35.000 Eating and betting.

01:22:36.000 Yeah. Yeah, I think you kind of have, you're a cop, you kind of have a responsibility to stop that.

01:22:41.000 And then there's also the level of fentanyl.

01:22:43.000 We've discussed this, right, because people keep saying that he died of a fentanyl overdose, but I don't believe the level of fentanyl in his body was enough to give him an overdose.

01:22:53.000 You know how LD50 weight was?

01:22:56.000 No, I- He was obviously dying

01:23:26.000 from drug abuse.

01:23:27.000 He had an enlarged heart. 0.99

01:23:28.000 He was fucked up, you know, and the levels though, when they were like at the threshold... 0.94

01:23:38.000 This is from, not the official autopsy, but this is the doctor that did one of them, I think, and he said here, I don't know if you can read that, but... 0.99

01:23:44.000 Yeah, fentanyl at 11 nanograms per deciliter.

01:23:48.000 This is the, this is higher than chronic I don't know what that says.

01:24:06.000 Level of 3, so level of 3. He was at 11. So deaths have been certified at a level of 3 nanograms per deciliter.

01:24:15.000 He was at 11 nanograms per deciliter.

01:24:17.000 I am not saying this killed him.

01:24:20.000 Fentanyl metabolite 4 AMPP.

01:24:24.000 I think this is non-commercial meta...

01:24:28.000 Meth. Meth.

01:24:29.000 19. Oh, he had meth too.

01:24:31.000 19 nanograms per deciliter.

01:24:34.000 This is...

01:24:36.000 Relatively low.

01:24:37.000 Relatively low.

01:24:39.000 But that's bad for your heart.

01:24:41.000 From video I've seen, it appears like his knee is on the side of the neck, not where the structures are.

01:24:50.000 That doesn't mean anything. 0.94

01:24:52.000 That's silly. 0.52

01:24:52.000 That's a person who's never been choked. 0.52

01:24:55.000 You shut your mouth. 1.00

01:24:56.000 Shut your mouth, doctor. 1.00

01:24:58.000 Let me lean on your neck, bitch. 1.00

01:24:59.000 Breathe deep. 1.00

01:25:00.000 Yeah, right.

01:25:01.000 What are you talking about?

01:25:02.000 That's so crazy.

01:25:03.000 That's not gonna crush his windpipe?

01:25:05.000 Yeah. What are you talking about?

01:25:06.000 No, that just seems ridiculous. 1.00

01:25:07.000 That's so stupid. 1.00

01:25:08.000 He crushes everything. 1.00

01:25:09.000 If I got on your neck here, you're not doing nothing.

01:25:11.000 None of this is gonna work. 0.97

01:25:13.000 Look, when you have a big neck, you can die from your tongue.

01:25:18.000 You know that?

01:25:18.000 People die of sleep apnea, like football players.

01:25:21.000 Like they swallow their tongue?

01:25:22.000 No, their tongue closes over the back of their mouth because they have so much neck tissue that their air hold gets smaller, right?

01:25:30.000 Now I want you to imagine someone compressing that neck tissue with 210 pounds of body weight all positioned on their knee.

01:25:39.000 Yeah. Yeah.

01:25:40.000 Bro, you can put someone to sleep that way. 0.67

01:25:42.000 Like they'll die.

01:25:44.000 If you hold on to it, they'll die.

01:25:45.000 It's indefensible.

01:25:47.000 It's crazy.

01:25:48.000 And I think the country had kind of like the appropriate reaction to it.

01:25:52.000 But then they're trying to say that cops can't use chokeholds anymore.

01:25:55.000 Well, that's crazy, too.

01:25:56.000 Because you should be able to, if you're a cop, you've got to be able to choke people. 0.99

01:26:00.000 Like if you get some wild, messed up fucking dude and he's attacking cops and he's got his shirt off and fucking swastika's on his chest, you want to strangle that guy. 1.00

01:26:09.000 Put him away. 1.00

01:26:11.000 Put him asleep.

01:26:12.000 Then you can cuff him.

01:26:13.000 You can do that.

01:26:15.000 Go to sleep.

01:26:16.000 In fact, it might be a much safer way than, like, tasing someone and then where they stiffen up and just fall over.

01:26:22.000 If he just choked George Floyd out and then cuffed him, that would be way better for everybody.

01:26:27.000 Like a real simple five second rear naked choke.

01:26:31.000 He goes to sleep temporarily.

01:26:33.000 You cuff him.

01:26:34.000 He wakes up.

01:26:35.000 None of the trauma to his neck. 1.00

01:26:37.000 None of that shit. 1.00

01:26:38.000 None of the four minutes. 1.00

01:26:40.000 Whatever it was, seconds.

01:26:41.000 No nationwide riots.

01:26:43.000 No nationwide riots.

01:26:44.000 It's real simple.

01:26:44.000 Maybe they would have been for a different reason.

01:26:46.000 It's just a jujitsu move, and then you cuff them, and you know. 0.99

01:26:50.000 But man, being a cop is the most fucking thankless, psychotic job in this country. 0.98

01:26:55.000 And every day, they pull up to cars, and they worry that they're gonna get shot. 0.98

01:27:00.000 Everybody's seen videos of cops. 0.99

01:27:02.000 They pull up to fucking tinted windows, and they get blasted. 0.99

01:27:04.000 Yeah, I just saw one today. 0.99

01:27:06.000 There's so many of them.

01:27:07.000 It was great.

01:27:08.000 The one I saw today, too, was one where there was almost no tell.

01:27:12.000 They had this stop, and they were just like, hey, buddy, is this your car?

01:27:17.000 And he's like, yeah, that's my car.

01:27:18.000 He seemed totally cool.

01:27:19.000 And they're just like, okay, license and registration.

01:27:21.000 He goes, I actually don't have my license on me.

01:27:23.000 And he goes, you're driving without a license?

01:27:25.000 All right, sir, I'm going to have to ask you to step out.

01:27:26.000 And then just comes out, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, shooting at him and shoots one of the cops.

01:27:30.000 The other one gets behind the car, starts shooting back.

01:27:32.000 It's like, yeah, no, listen, that's got to be a crazy thing to...

01:27:36.000 You know, it's like, um, I remember hearing a baseball player say once that he was like, uh, he goes, the toughest thing about being like, uh, um, in the outfield is that like every, if you think about the game, like every single We're

01:28:06.000 little bit concerned about that.

01:28:08.000 On the other hand, that is the job.

01:28:11.000 And there are expectations when you're, you know, if your salary is paid by the people's taxes, and like you, the standard has to be probably the same thing, I think the standard for fighting wars should be the standard should Do you absolutely have to do this?

01:28:29.000 You know, like, if you don't have to...

01:28:31.000 Like the Eric Garner situation.

01:28:32.000 Yes! Like, you have to do this.

01:28:33.000 He's selling loose cigarettes.

01:28:34.000 Okay, he's selling loosies.

01:28:35.000 Okay, there's got to be some...

01:28:36.000 I understand, like...

01:28:37.000 Tell him not to do that.

01:28:37.000 Right. And I understand, like, maybe there's, like, human beings can get very creative, man.

01:28:41.000 We could find...

01:28:42.000 I understand him saying, okay, there's the guy inside the store has to, you know, sell cigarettes with the tax on them.

01:28:48.000 He gets to sell these loosey cigarettes.

01:28:49.000 It's hurting this guy's business.

01:28:51.000 And maybe he's asked him to leave and he hasn't.

01:28:52.000 We're talking about selling loose cigarettes outside of a store.

01:28:55.000 You just don't need to bring this level of violence, you know, to the for this situation.

01:29:01.000 And, you know, it's one of the things like I know I thought you were talking about the other day with the Trump deportation stuff where there's like this very it's a it's an interesting moment that we're in right now because you have if you remember in Trump's first term this was one of the biggest kind of like Controversies that he he lost a lot of public support over was the kids in cages,

01:29:29.000 right? And okay now they you know, they'd always put kids.

01:29:34.000 Yes. They were built under the Obama administration.

01:29:36.000 It was kind of bullshit They took some pictures of a kid crawling that didn't wasn't even really about the Trump deportations like, you know, the media lies That's what they do. 0.98

01:29:42.000 But there is something about you know, like in the in the civil rights movement You know, Martin Luther King and those guys, they picked Birmingham, Alabama. 0.99

01:29:53.000 Like, they knew what they were doing.

01:29:55.000 And they knew that they were going to get this reaction and that then it could be on TV.

01:30:02.000 And they almost forced the American people to watch these young black men in suits and ties have fire hoses and dogs sicced on them. 0.97

01:30:11.000 And even for the 1960s American person who maybe harbored like Some significant degree of prejudice Even for them just seeing that was like, oh Jesus like yeah, I can't support that You know what?

01:30:28.000 I mean and there is something with you know, the the u.s.

01:30:33.000 Has had just an insane immigration Policy sit really since 1965, but I mean the Biden immigration, but it was just like the most insane policy Joe Biden seems to me like his at least part of his legacy is he moved the country further right on Immigration than you could have imagined is that super majorities of the American people support mass deportations but Just like there's a difference between being a little bit racist against black people and 0.90

01:31:03.000 being able to watch You know, cops unleash German shepherds on black dudes in suits and ties.

01:31:08.000 It's one thing to kind of believe, I think the people who are here illegally got to go back. 1.00

01:31:13.000 It's another thing to, like, watch it unfold and see what type of...

01:31:17.000 And I'll just say this, like, on the theme of what I was saying, like, earlier about the signal stuff, you know, there were so many efforts to, like, sabotage Donald Trump's first presidency.

01:31:27.000 In this moment, if you really want to see mass deportations, which, by the way, we're not seeing, But if you really want to see that, as most Americans do, you've finally won the argument.

01:31:38.000 You've finally won the day.

01:31:40.000 You've now got supermajorities of the American people on your side, and you've elected a president that this is his signature issue.

01:31:45.000 The last thing you would want to do Is go round up 234 of them with no due process and send them to the most notorious, brutal prison in El Salvador.

01:31:55.000 And get some of them wrong. 0.99

01:31:56.000 Like, what the fuck are you thinking? 0.99

01:31:58.000 And get some of them wrong. 0.99

01:31:59.000 Yeah. And the thing is, you're saying there haven't been mass deportations.

01:32:03.000 What do you mean by that?

01:32:04.000 I mean in large numbers.

01:32:06.000 There have been deportations.

01:32:08.000 They've already kind of slowed down.

01:32:10.000 But we have Tens of millions of illegal immigrants in the country.

01:32:14.000 Right. But that's not what they're looking for.

01:32:17.000 What they're looking for is the criminals.

01:32:18.000 And here's the...

01:32:19.000 allegedly, right?

01:32:20.000 This is what we're hoping.

01:32:21.000 But here's the problem that bothers me.

01:32:23.000 Quotas. I had a friend who was a cop who would tell me about quotas for speeding tickets back when they weren't supposed to tell people about that.

01:32:30.000 They have quotas.

01:32:31.000 Right. And I said, so it's basically like being a glorified revenue collector.

01:32:35.000 He's like, pretty much.

01:32:37.000 Pretty much.

01:32:37.000 If I'm not writing tickets, you know, It's going to come down on me.

01:32:42.000 Like, imagine a day where everybody made a decision.

01:32:46.000 Like, for the next 60 days, collectively, as a country, no one's going to violate any traffic laws.

01:32:52.000 Everyone's going to stop to a complete halt at every stop sign.

01:32:56.000 No one's going to go a mile an hour above the speed limit.

01:32:58.000 What happens?

01:32:59.000 What do these cops do? 0.98

01:33:01.000 Do you have quotas?

01:33:02.000 So you're assuming that people will always break the law forever.

01:33:07.000 And if they don't, do you adjust?

01:33:09.000 Do you fire the cops?

01:33:10.000 Do you cut your budget?

01:33:12.000 What do you do?

01:33:12.000 Do you remember when this happened in New York City?

01:33:15.000 It was over a decade ago.

01:33:17.000 They had this unofficial, official police slowdown, where they were upset about something.

01:33:25.000 I can't remember the exact story, but it was the head of the police union said that he was like, we will only be enforcing violent Crimes it was not doing this other frisk.

01:33:37.000 Yes. It was over the stop-and-frisk controversy And they're kind of like, oh you guys want to all call his race it which already I thought was so hilarious I used to have a joke in my act about this many years ago But where is just like that was the threat from cops was like we're only gonna arrest violent criminals, you know That's probably what you should be doing to begin with.

01:33:52.000 Yeah, and so then like all these and everything was fine, by the way.

01:33:55.000 I There wasn't a rise in violent crime.

01:33:57.000 They just stopped doing it.

01:33:59.000 But revenue started collapsing.

01:34:02.000 And then they whipped the cops into getting back to it. 0.99

01:34:05.000 They were threatening their pensions and shit. 0.98

01:34:08.000 And they were like, yo, you cannot do this. 0.99

01:34:10.000 You've got to keep policing for profit.

01:34:12.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:34:13.000 Policing for profit.

01:34:14.000 It's crazy.

01:34:15.000 It's crazy that they write tickets like tickets are kind of nuts You know, it's like you have to give us money because you went too fast Well, I've always that's the incentive that everybody there everyone agrees.

01:34:27.000 It's gonna work.

01:34:28.000 I got another ticket. 0.99

01:34:29.000 Yeah, fuck I always thought like, um, we're gonna stop speeding. 0.99

01:34:32.000 I'm gonna get a radar detector. 1.00

01:34:33.000 Yeah. Well, right people find a way I always thought there was something really unfair that Some I've heard some progressives talk about this, but it never seemed to like get that much traction But there is something about like a giving a ticket.

01:34:47.000 That's like, you know what it just seems so regressive in terms of like a Like it's so much more punitive toward poor people and working-class people.

01:34:58.000 Oh, yeah Then it is toward the well, and it's the same number for all of that.

01:35:01.000 You know what I mean?

01:35:02.000 Like there's something about many ideas, dude The way the this is the problem is that progressives that will take that and go Oh, okay.

01:35:10.000 So that means up it on the rich peoples.

01:35:12.000 I was like, no, that's not what I'm saying.

01:35:13.000 Tax the rich, man.

01:35:14.000 But like, you know, you hand out a $75 ticket to somebody who's making like 400 bucks a week.

01:35:21.000 And you're like, Jesus Christ, dude.

01:35:23.000 Like, that is devastating to that person.

01:35:26.000 Yeah. Whereas like you hand out a $75 ticket to like a rich person.

01:35:29.000 It's kind of like, okay.

01:35:30.000 Yeah. You know, that's a reasonable punishment for that.

01:35:32.000 I mean, you know, anyway, listen, I'm not advocating.

01:35:35.000 Like, I'm not a leftist.

01:35:37.000 I don't care about equity.

01:35:37.000 No, that's not a good idea.

01:35:40.000 But it is a strange thing that there are revenue collectors who are also Yeah. Yeah, no, I completely agree.

01:36:00.000 The problem is they pull people over for doing stupid shit, and a large percent of them are carrying drugs. 1.00

01:36:05.000 A lot of them have fucking bricks in the back of their car. 1.00

01:36:08.000 That's the craziest thing about guys who are trafficking drugs. 1.00

01:36:11.000 They're trafficking like fucking 30 pounds of fentanyl, and they get pulled over for speeding. 0.98

01:36:16.000 For some speeding thing, yeah, yeah, yeah, something like that. 0.99

01:36:18.000 Oh, dude. 1.00

01:36:19.000 They're coked up, and they're fucking driving fast, and they got a trunk full of fucking illegal guns and guns. 0.99

01:36:26.000 Cocaine and meth, and why aren't you going so slow and cautious? 1.00

01:36:31.000 Why aren't you using your blinker?

01:36:33.000 You should be listening to country music on your radio.

01:36:35.000 Nah, dude.

01:36:36.000 You got meth to get somewhere. 1.00

01:36:37.000 You should have a fucking cat diesel hat on. 1.00

01:36:40.000 You should be nice and calm and slow. 1.00

01:36:43.000 You're a regular guy, just going about your day.

01:36:46.000 Well, by definition, these people aren't making the wisest decisions, probably. 1.00

01:36:50.000 Who do you get to drive your fucking car filled with meth? 1.00

01:36:52.000 You gotta get a crazy dude. 1.00

01:36:53.000 It's not as easy as you'd think.

01:36:54.000 You really gotta, you can't, and you can't just put a Craigslist ad up or whatever, like I'm sure you gotta go through some sketchy channels to get there.

01:37:01.000 And now this Tom Holman guy sending everybody across the border, you can't even get the Mexicans to do it anymore. 1.00

01:37:05.000 Jesus. I mean, that guy is, it is funny where like, he's, I get where he's kind of like the guy you'd want if you're like, we're a hard, we gotta, we need a hard ass in here to do this, but when you do start getting these concerns about due process, I mean, his response It was in some interview where they were asking him about due process for the people he's deporting and he's like, um, uh, what's the girl?

01:37:28.000 Where was a good due process for Lake and Riley?

01:37:30.000 Where was the due process for her?

01:37:31.000 And you're like, yeah, but dude, that's not what due process means.

01:37:34.000 Obviously murder victims don't get due process.

01:37:37.000 That's why it's illegal to murder somebody.

01:37:40.000 And even by the way, in that case, Her killer got due process and then got convicted of murder.

01:37:46.000 You know what I mean?

01:37:47.000 Like, that's the whole point.

01:37:48.000 And there's just, again, like I was saying, it seems there's a few moves that the Trump administration has made so far.

01:37:55.000 And I don't know who is in his ear and who has convinced him to pursue this policy.

01:38:00.000 But, like, again, if you wanted to pursue, like, mass deportations, which I understand.

01:38:05.000 I think there's a strong case.

01:38:07.000 I mean, look, he's done a great job of stopping the flow.

01:38:10.000 Which was job number one.

01:38:12.000 And that was his best line at his State of the Union, where it was like the Democrats kept saying we needed legislation to close the border.

01:38:18.000 Turns out we just needed a new president.

01:38:20.000 Which is shockingly true.

01:38:21.000 Like it is unbelievable how it went from record high border crossings under Biden to record low border crossings over Donald Trump.

01:38:28.000 And I do think that so much of that is just that it's a real difficult journey.

01:38:32.000 And if people feel like, oh, Trump's in there.

01:38:34.000 Obviously we're not gonna be allowed in and they just won't go through it.

01:38:38.000 I also do think that Donald Trump is fundamentally correct with his idea that like you don't have a nation if you don't have borders like you can't listen the the the idea at least I'm not saying this is really how it works but the idea is that we're a free country because we have self-government and in other words the American people get to decide how many people we bring in here and how many we don't and that it's at this point Nobody actually knows the number for sure, but it is north of 30 million illegal immigrants in the country.

01:39:07.000 But my god, if you wanted to start deporting people who are legal residents, who are not violent criminals, because they wrote a pro-Palestinian op-ed, you're diving into the most contentious issue and then picking one side of that?

01:39:24.000 This just seems like it's almost as if you're trying to poison the possibility to ever really have Mass deportations.

01:39:32.000 It just seems so counterproductive by his own stated goals.

01:39:36.000 Well, there's so many layers of it that are hard to unpack for the average person.

01:39:41.000 What's really hard to unpack, especially for like tried and true blue no matter who Democrats, is this idea that they were bringing people into this country, moving them into swing states, getting them on Social Security, giving them money and incentives and all sorts of government programs that would get them Eventually to be voters.

01:40:01.000 Yeah. And these voters would vote for that party and you'd have a unit party.

01:40:05.000 So in that sense, that's the big one that a lot of people that are left-wing people have a really hard time swallowing.

01:40:13.000 They don't believe that's true.

01:40:14.000 And they'll take it.

01:40:15.000 Well, what about when Texas sent those people up to New York?

01:40:18.000 You know, the governor of Texas sent people to New York.

01:40:20.000 Right. But do you know that New York's not a swing state?

01:40:23.000 Yeah, he did that. 0.99

01:40:25.000 do that as a big fuck you to New York for the government to turning a blind eye to the problem at the border and saying, "Okay, you think this isn't a problem? 0.99

01:40:34.000 I'm going to send this problem to you." Yeah. 0.99

01:40:37.000 It would say expose the hypocrisy.

01:40:38.000 Yeah. You have a sanctuary city?

01:40:40.000 Oh, that's cute.

01:40:41.000 I'll send you thousands of people.

01:40:42.000 Thousands and thousands of people that you're going to have to take care of now.

01:40:45.000 And they did. 0.97

01:40:46.000 And then that's even weirder because then they took over fucking luxury hotels and they had to deal with it. 0.98

01:40:50.000 I think it was it Pakistan owns one of those hotels? 0.98

01:40:53.000 Oh, is that?

01:40:54.000 Yeah. Who owns the big one that was in that fucking Jennifer Lopez movie where she was a hot maid? 1.00

01:41:03.000 Remember that movie? 0.99

01:41:04.000 Made in Manhattan.

01:41:05.000 I never saw it, but I vaguely remember.

01:41:07.000 I watched it recently with my family. 0.99

01:41:09.000 It's the most ridiculous thing! 0.98

01:41:10.000 She's like, 10! 0.99

01:41:11.000 She's just like this poor little sad maid. 1.00

01:41:15.000 Pakistan International Airlines has owned the structure.

01:41:18.000 They own the Roosevelt.

01:41:20.000 So the Roosevelt's an iconic hotel in New York City and they get paid by the federal government or they did get paid by the federal government to house immigrants there.

01:41:30.000 And they give them food and they give them money.

01:41:32.000 And they're like, what are you doing?

01:41:34.000 If you're allowing these people to vote for them, they're like, what are you doing?

01:41:35.000 Yeah. We're good.

01:41:59.000 and water, and you walk right through, and everybody just gets to be on a bus, and you get shipped off to swing states.

01:42:05.000 That literally happened.

01:42:07.000 And people on the left do not want to address it.

01:42:11.000 They want to deny it.

01:42:12.000 It was an attempt to take over. 0.99

01:42:14.000 Yeah, and look, I'll say, I know this, because I'm like, you know, this is, I guess one of the benefits of getting older and paying attention to this shit is like, I can remember shit from 15, 20 years ago. 0.98

01:42:25.000 Like, I was paying attention then. 0.96

01:42:26.000 And I remember...

01:42:28.000 All of them admitting this was their plan.

01:42:31.000 Like, literally, all of them.

01:42:32.000 Joy Reid and Rachel Maddow and all, they used to call it the Browning of America, and they used to openly brag about how the Democrat will have super permanent majorities.

01:42:44.000 Forever. Because look like, hey, you old dying white Republicans, like, sorry, that's it for you, because the Latinos vote overwhelmingly for Democrat, and we're going to be a majority minority country, and then a majority Hispanic country, and then the Democrats rule the day forever.

01:42:59.000 So this is just, you know, Mitt Romney or whoever's running for president right now, this is the dying throes of the end of a...

01:43:05.000 But then, when people started objecting to that policy, And they called it the Browning of America, and then when people objected to it, they would call it the Great Replacement, or whatever, and then they'd go, you're not allowed to say that!

01:43:17.000 That means you're a Nazi!

01:43:18.000 And you're like, but I just heard you saying it, like five years ago I heard you saying it.

01:43:22.000 You can't use the term replacement theory.

01:43:24.000 Yeah, and so there was this weird, and then there was also the One of the other big tells of this was the way they attempted, which really failed, but the way they attempted to make voter ID like a toxic racist policy, which was so, I mean the logic of it just collapses on itself because if it's, first of all, it seems like some bigotry of low expectations to imply that black people are like Just can't figure out how to get ID.

01:43:52.000 Do you remember Kathy Hochul saying that they don't know what computers are?

01:43:56.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:43:57.000 Yeah. Do you remember that video?

01:43:59.000 That is the craziest.

01:44:00.000 I think you sent me it. 1.00

01:44:02.000 Fucking human being has a computer in their pocket. 1.00

01:44:04.000 It was the black dude who made that video. 1.00

01:44:06.000 It was the funniest guy Yeah, I think you sent it to me, but he was like there was like a computer and he comes around Like trying to bite it and stuff too is so goddamn funny where you're like, that's literally what you're saying Like, I don't know and it's like spliced like on the left side of it Kids they don't know what a computer is. 0.50

01:44:27.000 Well, but then I mean like just you know, just like using the most basic logic You'd be like, okay.

01:44:31.000 Wait a minute, but like So if requiring ID is racist, then like, we got some other really big problems in this country that we should be looking at like that.

01:44:38.000 Well, not only that, but it's in the direct memory, the recent memory of everybody needing ID because you had to prove that you got the COVID vaccine.

01:44:46.000 Right, right.

01:44:47.000 Yeah. Which then, and then that was fine.

01:44:49.000 Somehow that, and when that, by the way, disproportionately affected minorities.

01:44:52.000 Yeah. No one seemed, no progressive seemed to care about that.

01:44:55.000 No one cared. 0.99

01:44:56.000 That it was overwhelmingly black people, wildly disproportionately black people and immigrants who were People just refuse the vaccine. 0.99

01:45:03.000 By the way, let the record show, they were smarter than everybody else for doing it. 0.97

01:45:07.000 You know who else?

01:45:07.000 Me and you?

01:45:09.000 PhDs. Oh yeah.

01:45:10.000 That is an interesting detail, isn't it?

01:45:12.000 Overwhelmingly. Look at that.

01:45:14.000 Overwhelmingly skeptical about this new vaccine. 0.98

01:45:16.000 And here, me and you got called out by Anthony Fauci and Joe Biden for fucking being right, for being absolutely right. 0.83

01:45:23.000 It's so wild, too, that that was only Three years ago or four years ago when you said that your advice to young people was to just be really healthy and that was like a national controversy that you just think about how upside down it was also people doing the man's job for the man. 0.94

01:45:44.000 It was everybody piled on, like everybody, and especially once you got the shot yourself, you're like, I did the right thing, because you knew it was risky. 0.98

01:45:51.000 You fucking know it's risky. 0.98

01:45:52.000 On some level, too. 1.00

01:45:53.000 Absolutely. It's medication.

01:45:55.000 Anytime you get medication, you know it's risky.

01:45:58.000 Anytime you get some pharmaceutical drug in your system, not to mention some completely novel new way where it turns your entire body into a vaccine or an immunity-producing Spike protein factory the most by the way, which is the most toxic aspect of getting the disease is the spike protein So your body's gonna produce it itself What?

01:46:22.000 PhDs are like And it was also way past Way way way past the point where we had already figured out that like if you weren't Very old and very sick.

01:46:34.000 This was you.

01:46:36.000 Yeah statistically had almost no chance of like a more importantly we had Very long ago realized it wasn't a threat at all to kids Yeah, so there was no justification whatsoever to force kids to get vaccinated and yet we did it in California did it they did it to schools they did it everywhere and The fact that they pulled that off and then a couple years later.

01:46:57.000 They're like, you know, I D Hello.

01:47:00.000 Yeah Why do you need an ID to vote?

01:47:02.000 That's racist!

01:47:02.000 In California, you're not allowed to show ID.

01:47:07.000 You're not allowed to show ID.

01:47:09.000 So, like, come on.

01:47:10.000 I mean, listen, obviously, this is, like, there's a reason for all of this.

01:47:14.000 It's not, they didn't just pick showing your ID voting and decide to make this the issue that they harped on and tried to pretend you were somehow racist or you were somehow infringing on voting rights by requiring an ID.

01:47:26.000 And so, look, like, this did A couple things happened.

01:47:31.000 Number one, it totally turned public opinion against this level of crazy immigration. 1.00

01:47:38.000 And number two, I mean, Donald Trump ended up winning a bigger percentage of the Latino vote than I believe any Republican in my life, which is really...

01:47:49.000 Especially after Tony Inchcliffe.

01:47:51.000 That's pretty wild.

01:47:52.000 I think Tony Inchcliffe, he might have gotten him more votes!

01:47:55.000 Listen, nobody takes a joke better than Puerto Ricans. 1.00

01:47:58.000 By the way, there is something really funny about that where, and this has been a theme for years in the country, but really Tony was a great example of that, but where like You know, for all their talk about diversity and anti-racism and all of this, what they always seem to do is try to impose white lady values on minorities. 0.57

01:48:24.000 You know what I mean?

01:48:24.000 Like, just imagine That's a great way to put it.

01:48:28.000 White lady values. 0.83

01:48:29.000 It's always white lady values. 1.00

01:48:30.000 It's always, you know who's really offended by a joke? 0.93

01:48:33.000 As we both know, Joe, as professional comedians for many years, you know, black people just get very offended by jokes. 1.00

01:48:39.000 No, they fucking don't. 1.00

01:48:41.000 That's white women. 1.00

01:48:42.000 That's white women shit. 1.00

01:48:43.000 That's not Latinos or African-Americans. 1.00

01:48:46.000 They're the ones who take a joke the best. 0.77

01:48:49.000 Especially a good joke.

01:48:50.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:48:51.000 But also, like, the more offensive, the better. 1.00

01:48:53.000 Like, they love that shit. 1.00

01:48:54.000 By and large. 1.00

01:48:55.000 Like, there's exceptions. 1.00

01:48:56.000 Well, there's exceptions for sure, but Puerto Ricans are known, like, if you grow up around Puerto Ricans, they're fun and they talk a lot of shit. 1.00

01:49:04.000 It's part of the culture. 0.97

01:49:06.000 So it's like you're trying to, you know, there's something about it that was always like, it's always the liberal push for diversity is always like, We want different shades of people in our culture.

01:49:21.000 Right. You know what I mean?

01:49:22.000 There was never a thing where it's like, oh, we're going to go into the hood and we're going to adopt your culture.

01:49:28.000 That's not what we're talking about. 0.99

01:49:29.000 Which is why they hate black Republicans. 1.00

01:49:31.000 Yep. That's a big part of it. 1.00

01:49:33.000 That's a problem. 0.98

01:49:34.000 They go after black Republicans so hard. 0.94

01:49:37.000 Even harder, I think, than they go after a lot of white Republicans. 0.97

01:49:40.000 Oh, in some cases, much more viciously.

01:49:44.000 Yeah. I mean, and I think by, you know, we talked about Candace Owens before, that's part of what her freaking, you know, boot camp before pissing off all the Israeli supporters was, is that she's already been through the fire.

01:49:55.000 Yeah. She's been an outspoken black female conservative. 1.00

01:49:58.000 And that's like, they really hate that because they do kind of view you as like, which is fucked up in a way, but it really is kind of like, you're They decided that they're the champion of women and black people and therefore if you're a black woman, it's your responsibility to support These liberal white women. 0.93

01:50:18.000 And she used to. 0.94

01:50:19.000 That's the thing about Candace. 1.00

01:50:20.000 When she was very young, she was liberal.

01:50:24.000 And then she was also a hardcore Zionist at one point.

01:50:27.000 Like, very big supporter of Israel, and then changed her mind on that.

01:50:31.000 But it is, you know, there is a viciousness with which those people get attacked.

01:50:37.000 I do think, and I still, I think I said this the last time we were on The last time I was on.

01:50:42.000 But I still do think that in many ways that's the best part of Donald Trump winning again is just the cultural phenomenon of it. 0.99

01:50:49.000 Where it does seem like there's been a big rejection of all of that shit. 0.99

01:50:54.000 You know, I had dinner with Daryl last night. 0.99

01:50:59.000 Daryl Cooper.

01:51:01.000 Daryl Cooper and Scott Horton.

01:51:03.000 And we were talking a little bit about this.

01:51:06.000 But like, what happened, first of all, I let the record show for both good and bad.

01:51:12.000 I was promoting Daryl Cooper before everybody else was.

01:51:15.000 I was the first guy, not the first, but I was like, yo, this guy's podcast is amazing.

01:51:19.000 And it really, really is.

01:51:20.000 But there was something so interesting about like, His Tucker appearance, the backlash against it, the fact that it did absolutely nothing to harm him and his podcast just shot up on all the charts and now more people than ever are listening to his stuff.

01:51:34.000 Yeah. There is like, and I do, I've seen a lot of this and I've gotten into some arguments with some, like, Constantine Kassin.

01:51:41.000 I've argued with him about this.

01:51:42.000 I respect him very much.

01:51:43.000 I like him a lot.

01:51:44.000 I think he's very smart.

01:51:45.000 But there are like, there, there, Are these woke tactics now that are being used by many people who have been opposing wokeism for a very long time, and I think it's interesting how much people have woken up to that, no pun intended, but how much people like kind of recognize that now, and that stuff has just been rejected, and even like on the most basic level.

01:52:07.000 The thing, first of all, the fact that there was such an outrage for what Daryl Cooper said on Tucker Carlson's podcast already proves the point.

01:52:14.000 It already proves the point that you're like, yeah, this is insane.

01:52:17.000 This is insane that this, like, you're not even, you can't even, like, have a conversation about these things without this massive pile on.

01:52:26.000 Not only that, these pejoratives that get stuck on him, that got stuck on me for platforming him.

01:52:32.000 I read Joe Rogan had a Nazi apologist and Holocaust denier.

01:52:40.000 Well or skeptic.

01:52:42.000 I think they said Holocaust skeptic I forget what what term they used but none of those things are true and none of them I mean, he's got this big I'm very excited for it But he's he's putting together this big piece on World War two and like none of them are gonna come back and go Oh, yeah, I got it wrong.

01:52:56.000 I apologize.

01:52:57.000 No, they're not doing that at all They've were they would have listened to fear and loathing in the New Jerusalem Well, I said this to I said this to Constantine when we were arguing about it on Twitter and I go listen, dude I go listen just take I called it my non woke challenge I think we're good. 0.88

01:53:21.000 piece after it.

01:53:22.000 I forget the title of it, but it took from the history where Fear and Loathing left off up to like the 80s.

01:53:27.000 And there was a it started like around Or maybe it was part of Fionn Lothing.

01:53:33.000 But anyway, he had a half hour chunk that was on the Jews suffering in World War II.

01:53:37.000 And I was like, so listen to these two half hours, and you tell me if it is conceivably possible that a Jew-hating Nazi sympathizer could have ever put this out.

01:53:46.000 Because it's impossible.

01:53:47.000 And he goes, I have listened to it.

01:53:49.000 And I was like, oh, then we can't talk anymore, Matt.

01:53:51.000 Not in general, but I was like, we can't talk about this anymore.

01:53:55.000 But I think there's something almost more simple that was like, look, if you listen to what Daryl said, On Tucker's podcast.

01:54:02.000 He essentially goes, he goes, you know, I say this sometimes to get a rise out of my buddy, who's like an Anglo-Saxon, and I'm kind of being hyperbolic when I say it, but I kind of say it to prod, but in some ways I think Churchill was the real villain of the war.

01:54:16.000 Now, he didn't commit the most atrocities, I'm not saying he was the worst person there, but I think he's primarily responsible for this not being maybe like a little conflict in Poland and turning into like the big bloodbath that it did.

01:54:27.000 Okay. Say whatever you will about that.

01:54:29.000 There's a fair argument to be there.

01:54:30.000 I tend to think Daryl's right, but maybe he's not.

01:54:34.000 But every single person who repeated that would go, he said Churchill was the real villain.

01:54:42.000 And you're like, you know what, dude, we're not doing that anymore.

01:54:45.000 We're not very fine people on both sides in this whole thing.

01:54:48.000 Like, come on, dude. 0.98

01:54:49.000 No, that's not what he fucking said. 0.97

01:54:51.000 And you could take out all that other content. 0.98

01:54:52.000 But any honest person looking at that just goes like, no, that's not what he said.

01:54:57.000 You know, and I was on Piers Morgan's show, one more shout out to Piers, but even when he played the clip, he cut out all that context and just played the part where he says the real villain was Churchill.

01:55:09.000 And you're like, I think people have, after so many years of this being the constant tactic to like, it's like, Pete, there's a giant rejection of that.

01:55:20.000 And I think that's really good.

01:55:22.000 I think a lot of that has to do with Trump winning.

01:55:24.000 Again, I mean, there's other factors involved, too.

01:55:26.000 But I do just think it's like these woke tactics of like where you call everyone who disagrees with you a racist or a bigot or this is just not like we're not playing that game anymore.

01:55:36.000 Or at least it seems like most people aren't playing that game anymore.

01:55:39.000 Yeah, it's not going to work anymore.

01:55:41.000 And the people that have their minds made up that have just Knee-jerk reaction.

01:55:47.000 They're gonna decide someone's a Nazi or someone's a Hitler apologist.

01:55:50.000 They're not looking into it at all Anyway, they have this cursory examination of the headline good enough.

01:55:56.000 I'm gonna run with it.

01:55:58.000 I'm gonna argue with it There's always gonna be people like that, but the majority of people are like, what is this all about?

01:56:03.000 What did he actually say? 0.98

01:56:04.000 Well, let me listen to a show and then the show shoots up to number one Yeah, you know and it shot up to number one again after he was on my podcast the same kind of thing It's like it's a fucking great show. 0.91

01:56:13.000 It's a great show and it's not It's not just great about Israel. 0.99

01:56:17.000 It's not just great about World War II. 1.00

01:56:19.000 His fucking thing on Jim Jones is insane. 0.99

01:56:22.000 That's so good. 1.00

01:56:22.000 It's so good. 1.00

01:56:23.000 It's so insane.

01:56:24.000 And he does that with everything.

01:56:26.000 And he has empathy and compassion and a general desire to empathize and see how someone could join this cult.

01:56:39.000 How Jim Jones could turn from this guy who was a civil rights leader.

01:56:44.000 Yeah. He was a civil rights leader in the 1950s.

01:56:46.000 I mean, this guy. 0.99

01:56:58.000 Then he's hopped up on meth, he's out of his fucking mind, now he's in Guyana, and he's got a whole group of people with him, and he talks them all into killing themselves. 1.00

01:57:06.000 And the ones who don't, he kills them. 0.99

01:57:08.000 And yeah, it's a crazy tragedy, but what Daryl Cooper does is long-form We're good.

01:57:19.000 it from an editorial aspect because it's opinion, but it's also information that he's citing his sources.

01:57:28.000 Put yourself in these people's shoes, which is what he does, which is essentially his only like demand.

01:57:34.000 It's through all of his work.

01:57:36.000 His only demand is like, listen, you have to, if you're going to listen to my word, you have to do your absolute best to put yourself in these person's shoes and then put yourself in the other side.

01:57:45.000 Fear and loathing in New Jerusalem starts out with Jews being persecuted.

01:57:50.000 Imagine these people are your neighbors. 0.77

01:57:52.000 And he brings you through this horrific scenario that absolutely did happen to some Some of the people there and you don't it's it's cool the way I mean I don't know spoiler alert or whatever it's just the beginning but it's so good but like you almost don't know what he's talking about it first like is this a Palestinian getting fucked over is this because the story's about you know going in this isn't going to be about the creation of the state of Israel or whatever but then you realize like oh no this is a Jew in Eastern Europe going through a pogrom and I will say this right as somebody who is Fairly

01:58:23.000 well read on the subject compared to like the layman not compared to Daryl Cooper. 0.95

01:58:27.000 There's levels to this shit It's like I used to think Rich Franklin was the best striker in the world and then Anderson Silva fought him and you're like, okay, he is not but Franklin was great, but Anderson Silva was amazing, but Listening to that series, it made me much more sympathetic to the Israelis, if I'm being honest. 0.99

01:58:43.000 And I know I've heard that from other people, too. 0.99

01:58:45.000 But it does, because Daryl insists on doing that, like, look, it's real, it's easy.

01:58:50.000 Now, I'm not saying, I'm not saying this is an excuse for anything.

01:58:52.000 Like, the Nakba in 1947-1948 is horrible. 0.70

01:58:57.000 It was a giant ethnic cleansing campaign, you know? 0.95

01:59:00.000 Okay. But, if you do put this into context, you know, like, the year's 1947.

01:59:07.000 Okay, first of all, just think about, like, even the attitudes of 1947 that you know of, like, you know, just in terms of racism and things like that.

01:59:17.000 Like, very different attitudes in 1947.

01:59:20.000 Also, you're two years removed from the end of World War II, where the, quote, good guys in the story, or the winners in the story, are like Truman, Who just firebombed Tokyo, dropped two nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the bombing of Dresden, the bombing of Berlin.

01:59:43.000 Joseph Stalin is in the process, as this is happening, of ethnically cleansing millions of ethnic Germans all throughout Eastern Europe.

01:59:53.000 This is only a couple years after Stalin's army raped their way through Europe, you know what I mean? 0.82

01:59:57.000 And then, of course, There's the atrocities of the Nazis, and you're the Jewish people who just went through this Holocaust, and all of this is in the background, and you're gonna say, you're telling me we can't move a few hundred thousand people off their land to create our new state? 0.91

02:00:09.000 Like, who's gonna fucking morally lecture us about doing this little thing here?

02:00:13.000 You know, and like, I'm not saying any of that excuses it, and it wasn't the Palestinians' fault that any of that happened, and so like, but like, It is worthwhile. 0.68

02:00:21.000 Like, that's what doing history should be, right?

02:00:23.000 It should be like understanding that these were real human beings.

02:00:26.000 These aren't cartoon monsters. 0.99

02:00:28.000 Now, they may have done monstrous shit, but like there was something, you know, going on there. 0.87

02:00:35.000 And there was kind of like, you know, it's, I think it's just beneficial to understand all of that stuff. 0.99

02:00:41.000 And, you know, Menachem Begin, who is like the worst, I mean, like was a straight up terrorist. 0.95

02:00:48.000 I mean, and in that series, if you remember, he talks a lot about, like, how the evil shit that Menachem Begin and the Ergon and the Stern Gang and the Haganah, all the shit they did. 0.99

02:00:59.000 And they were just straight-up terrorists. 0.99

02:01:00.000 That's what they were doing. 0.97

02:01:02.000 Terrorism, in order to drive out an occupying force, you can't make this shit up, is the What led to the creation of Israel and now they're like, you know universally regarded as terrorist groups Oh, you self-admitted terrorist groups like we're committing acts of terrorists There were debates about whether we should embrace terrorism or not and the side saying we should embrace terrorism won the day This is how Haim Weitzman. 0.96

02:01:25.000 He was supposed to be the David Ben-Gurion. 0.96

02:01:26.000 He was the number one ranked Zionist at the time and he stood up and was like yo, we can't do this.

02:01:32.000 We can't embrace terrorism like his thing was like We can't achieve a Jewish state by un-Jewish means, which he considered terrorism to be.

02:01:41.000 Like, this violates our religion.

02:01:42.000 We can't do this.

02:01:44.000 But even him, there was this one point, which I had never heard before, but I learned it from Daryl Cooper's series.

02:01:49.000 I think it was probably one of the things that stuck with me the most was that, if you remember, it's right toward the end.

02:01:55.000 It's when they're doing the King David hotel bombing and they're doing all this terrorism to try to drive the British out. 0.65

02:02:02.000 And at one point, the British like of like the the british soldiers and they fucking flogged the shit out of them and then killed them and then booby-trapped the bodies so that it fucking blew up more people when they came to try to get it back and that now he's a wanted man at 0.99

02:02:33.000 this time Menachem Begin so he's like living underground and so he then he did like a radio address and in his radio address he was like uh he said something like he was like hey just so you know jews don't get flogged anymore we do the flogging now and look this guy was a bad guy He was a fucking terrorist. 0.99

02:02:51.000 But there is something so badass about that, that there is a part of you that's just like, whoo! 0.97

02:02:56.000 Like, you can kind of understand a people going through this fucking collective struggle and then getting to a point where they're like, we will be the ones inflicting struggle from now on. 0.89

02:03:07.000 Not the ones receiving it. 0.97

02:03:09.000 Right. And I, you know, look, I still come out on the side that I think Israel's treatment of the Palestinians is horrible and inexcusable, and I favor a two-state solution.

02:03:17.000 I think America should stop funding Israel.

02:03:19.000 But I think it's nothing but beneficial to kind of like understand that perspective a little bit more.

02:03:24.000 And even though I kind of grew up on the pro-Israel propaganda and then ultimately rejected it, That was Daryl's effect on me, was being like, ah, you know, there is like, I'm seeing the humanity in the Israeli side a little bit more. 0.99

02:03:37.000 So give me a fucking break about these people saying like he's some fucking neo-Nazi drumming up Jew hatred. 0.99

02:03:42.000 It's just not true. 0.99

02:03:43.000 Yeah, they just have established boundaries of what you're allowed to talk about.

02:03:49.000 Yeah, that's exactly right.

02:03:50.000 Yeah. And there's, you know, there's narratives that can't be breached.

02:03:55.000 You have to follow it to a T and that's it.

02:03:59.000 That's it.

02:04:00.000 And anything else, you're anti-Semite.

02:04:03.000 And you know, he's labeled all over the place.

02:04:04.000 I'm sure his Wikipedia calls him that.

02:04:06.000 I'm sure.

02:04:07.000 I mean, it's just, there's so many people that have really irresponsibly done that and defamed him. 0.96

02:04:13.000 And it's fucked up, but ultimately it doesn't work. 0.97

02:04:17.000 It just makes him bigger. 0.99

02:04:19.000 I 100% agree.

02:04:20.000 And then I also think that it's almost like, it's very obvious, I think, if you're looking at it with clear eyes, that it's like, look, like, okay, look, Look, I'm Jewish, and I don't wish to see a rise in people hating Jewish people.

02:04:35.000 Obviously, I'd be opposed to that.

02:04:38.000 But if you're going to say that anybody who criticizes the government of Israel or anybody who criticizes the Israeli lobby and the unbelievable influence that that has over our government, and you're going to label all of them as anti-Semites.

02:04:56.000 Oh, right.

02:04:58.000 I would think that it would be wiser to at least be thankful that there are people who are not Jew-haters who are pointing this out, rather than just leaving it to all the Jew-haters to be the only ones who are pointing this out.

02:05:10.000 Like, you know, it's like, you think Daryl Cooper is, like, okay, like, what's your goal here?

02:05:15.000 To shut him down?

02:05:16.000 Who do you think's going to replace him? 0.95

02:05:18.000 You better hope that they're going to be as thoughtful and responsible as he is.

02:05:22.000 And they probably won't be, because not too many people are.

02:05:25.000 But that's how it always is, right?

02:05:26.000 I mean, this is the problem with suppression.

02:05:31.000 It's essentially a version of the same problem of creating terrorists.

02:05:35.000 You attack because you think you're going to stop the terrorism, you just create more terrorism.

02:05:39.000 You think you're going to stop people from expanding the narrative and talking outside of these borders that you've clearly established for how people are able to discuss certain sensitive topics?

02:05:51.000 No, you're not.

02:05:52.000 You're not going to do that.

02:05:53.000 You're just going to make people realize that there's a third rail and they don't understand why there's a third rail.

02:05:59.000 And then they start looking into it and they go, oh, how much influence does Israel have on our country?

02:06:03.000 And then they start asking those kind of questions.

02:06:05.000 And this gives way to the rise of anti-Semitism.

02:06:09.000 There's Suppression of people's ability to talk about very polarizing topics like Gaza Suppression of that is a cause of anti-semitism because people stop start thinking like is there some sort of grand plan?

02:06:24.000 To control us and keep me from being able to talk about something that clearly is in the news every day It seems like a big issue.

02:06:30.000 Yeah. Well, there's also You know, to think, literally, this is my origin story of being the guy that I am now, being obsessed with all this stuff, was seeing Ron Paul versus Rudy Giuliani in 2007 at the Republican primary debate,

02:06:48.000 and Rudy Giuliani's arguing about how the terrorists hate us for our freedom, and then Ron Paul, who I'd never heard of, just like this country doctor from Texas with an R next to his name, starts going like, you know, they don't hate us for our freedom.

02:07:02.000 They hate us because we're over there.

02:07:04.000 Like, how would we feel if somebody else was doing to us what we're doing to them?

02:07:08.000 And then Rudy Giuliani is like, yeah, that's a pretty absurd explanation that the reason they did 9-11 is because we were bombing Iraq.

02:07:16.000 And he goes, I've heard a lot of absurd explanations for 9-11, and I've never heard anything that ridiculous.

02:07:21.000 Which, by the way, Was in Osama bin Laden's declaration of war on America so like to be like I've never heard of this is not quite the brag or flex that you think it is men Ron Paul just fucking schooled him and was like, you know He was like, you know who came up with the term blowback the CIA because it's a real thing There is blowback and if we think we can go around the world and do whatever we want to people and that's not going to incite hatred We do that at our own peril like let's be hot but for whatever reason for

02:07:50.000 me It was always kind of just easy to connect that.

02:07:54.000 Like, I remember, you remember there was the scene in Good Will Hunting where, like, at the end when he breaks him and he's like, it's not your fault, it's not your fault, and he starts crying.

02:08:04.000 But he finally gets him to start talking about the abuse he went through in his childhood.

02:08:09.000 And Matt Damon's character is talking about it.

02:08:11.000 And he's like, oh, he used to lay like a stick, a belt and a wrench on the table and tell me to pick.

02:08:19.000 And Robin Williams was like, I'd have to go with the stick on that one.

02:08:24.000 And he goes, I used to pick the wrench.

02:08:25.000 And he was like, why would you pick the wrench? 1.00

02:08:27.000 And he goes, because fuck him. 1.00

02:08:28.000 That's why. 1.00

02:08:29.000 And like, OK, there's something about that that was always very easy for me to understand. 1.00

02:08:34.000 Like you just get to a point where it's like, yeah, because fuck you. 0.99

02:08:38.000 It's like why would some Palestinian who's Let's say there's an Israeli who kicks him out of his house that his grandfather built, that his family's been living in for a hundred years. 1.00

02:08:49.000 And now that Israeli guy is living in his house. 0.99

02:08:52.000 And you're watching from like a refugee camp, this guy live in your house. 0.98

02:08:55.000 And as Daryl says in the series, he goes, now you have no means by which to give that house back to your grandmother. 1.00

02:09:02.000 But you could burn that house to the fucking ground. 0.99

02:09:05.000 And like it's easy to look there and go, but why would you do that? 1.00

02:09:08.000 That's irrational.

02:09:08.000 It's like, no, not really.

02:09:10.000 It's really not.

02:09:11.000 Cause it's picking the wrench. 1.00

02:09:12.000 It's going cause fuck you. 1.00

02:09:14.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

02:09:15.000 And they're like all of these things.

02:09:17.000 There's always like reactionary movements. 1.00

02:09:20.000 And like, so again, like this, it's say, okay, yes, you're going to sit here and for fucking 15 years, tell young white men that they're toxic and they're the problem. 1.00

02:09:29.000 And their masculinity is inherently wrong. 0.99

02:09:32.000 What do you think's gonna come out of that?

02:09:34.000 And then, like, the same people are like, where did this Andrew Tate guy pop up from?

02:09:37.000 And you're like, you made him!

02:09:38.000 You made him!

02:09:40.000 If you wanted to make him, you couldn't have done a better job. 0.99

02:09:42.000 Look, that's the whole fucking story of the Nazis to begin with, that we imposed the Treaty of Versailles and insisted on internationally humiliating these people and crushing them. 1.00

02:09:51.000 And then, fuck, where'd these Nazis come from? 1.00

02:09:53.000 It has a reaction to that, obviously. 1.00

02:09:56.000 Yeah. And we never learn.

02:09:58.000 That's what's fucked. 0.97

02:09:59.000 Do you think we're gonna learn more now? 0.93

02:10:02.000 I mean you have to realize if you're thinking about history This is the first time where people have this kind of access to all the different layers That are in operation all over the world and if you're paying attention and most people aren't but if you're paying attention you have a much broader understanding of all the things that are at play than ever before and And how these things could be avoided.

02:10:27.000 And I think that's one of the reasons why people were excited about Trump getting into office when he was saying, I can stop that war in one day.

02:10:34.000 We can make deals.

02:10:35.000 There's deals that can be made.

02:10:37.000 We can stop all the killings.

02:10:39.000 Everybody's like, yeah, finally, someone is not going to do it the way we've done it before.

02:10:44.000 I think there's I'm I'm incredibly optimistic on a long time period.

02:10:54.000 I think that, like exactly what you just said, I mean, it's the propaganda apparatus has been completely destroyed.

02:11:03.000 It's just not, you know, and there's been this, I really do think, a massive awakening.

02:11:10.000 There's several factors to this.

02:11:12.000 I think COVID is the biggest single one.

02:11:15.000 You know, I think that there was something about imposing such draconian measures We're good.

02:11:33.000 against it, but it's a different thing than like instituting totalitarianism in the United States of America, which lockdowns were objectively.

02:11:42.000 They did it not only it's not just that they got it all wrong. 0.99

02:11:45.000 It's that it was you know They were fucking lying like you motherfuckers made the thing and you knew you did and then you covered it up like there It's even now this is like everywhere It's like the shit that we used to talk about a few years ago. 0.99

02:11:57.000 That was like the controversial, you know conversations Everyone's talking about him now. 0.99

02:12:01.000 It was just Bill Maher the other day brought up that like, you know How crazy is it that we figured out that British intelligence in March of 2020 said that I forget what it was, but they said with 85 5% certainty this came from the lab, you know, and then so they did all of this and they got it completely wrong And they were so full of shit that that's kind of that spells been broken people see this now I do think you're right that there was like a tremendous Look,

02:12:28.000 you know as Ron Paul used to always say the peace candidate always wins I mean like if you in the year 2000 George W Bush He campaigned on a humble foreign policy, no nation building, not being the policeman of the world with our military.

02:12:45.000 That's what he ran and won on.

02:12:47.000 Barely won, but still he won on that.

02:12:50.000 And then in 2004, John Kerry refused to run against the war, and that's why he wasn't able to win.

02:12:55.000 And then in 2008, Barack Obama ran on a peace campaign, destroyed Hillary Clinton in the primary, who had all the institutional money, all the big support behind her, but she had voted for the war in Iraq.

02:13:06.000 And Obama said, hey, that was a big mistake.

02:13:08.000 You can't give her the presidency when she made such a big mistake.

02:13:11.000 And people went, you know what?

02:13:12.000 That's right.

02:13:13.000 And even though he wasn't in the Senate yet when the war in Iraq was going on, he didn't vote for the thing. 0.98

02:13:18.000 And he said some beautiful things about closing Gitmo and ending torture and not fighting stupid wars. 0.96

02:13:23.000 And he won, like, a dominant victory. 1.00

02:13:26.000 And then in 2016, Donald Trump ran and won on, we're going to stop fighting these stupid wars. 0.99

02:13:31.000 And then in 2024, again, he wins on this. 0.99

02:13:34.000 Like, the American people have spoken.

02:13:37.000 Now, that's a very different thing than the regime machinery itself.

02:13:41.000 So that's a different battle.

02:13:43.000 But the battle of public opinion on that has been won.

02:13:46.000 And then I do think Even though Jamie told us before the show started that there is now they're saying Elon Musk is gonna be stepping away from doge soon and And yes, it's true that doge didn't actually get any drastic cuts through but it is amazing what they have done in terms of like Bringing to the cultural forefront the issue of how corrupt government is and so anyway that my long-term thing is that I think I think corrupt regimes,

02:14:16.000 which unfortunately we live under one, I think they are completely dependent on propaganda.

02:14:22.000 And that propaganda just broke.

02:14:24.000 We're just getting out of that now.

02:14:27.000 And I think there's amazing possibilities.

02:14:29.000 Dude, I mean, three years ago, four years ago, I couldn't have imagined we'd be here now.

02:14:34.000 I just couldn't imagine that.

02:14:35.000 The COVID restrictions have been completely defeated.

02:14:38.000 Wokeism seems to have been pretty much defeated.

02:14:42.000 This is already just Incredible.

02:14:45.000 Yeah. It's incredible.

02:14:47.000 It's interesting.

02:14:48.000 And there's a lot of possibilities.

02:14:49.000 It could go a bunch of different ways.

02:14:51.000 And there's also examples of it going sideways, like what's happening in the UK and what's happening in other parts of Europe, where the totalitarian measures are ramping up.

02:15:01.000 And they didn't win the war on woke.

02:15:03.000 In fact, they lost that war.

02:15:05.000 That's true.

02:15:05.000 They lost that war.

02:15:07.000 And I think that's a shiny example of the difference between what we tolerate in America Having the First Amendment, having that freedom of speech, and then also having the Second Amendment, the ability to back that up.

02:15:18.000 You know, people are, oh, you're going to use your...

02:15:20.000 I mean, I remember even Biden was talking about that. 1.00

02:15:22.000 You're going to fight a fucking jet with your rifles? 1.00

02:15:27.000 Like, that's ridiculous. 1.00

02:15:28.000 Like, no, but guess what? 0.77

02:15:30.000 You can't just do what they did in Australia and ship people off to camps in America.

02:15:35.000 Yeah. Try that shit in Georgia. 1.00

02:15:36.000 Well, it's so stupid, too, because, number one, the Taliban just did that to you, sir. 1.00

02:15:41.000 Like literally you just pulled out in disgrace of a war that you couldn't win against a bunch of illiterate goat herders with rifles So we left behind Billions of weapons. 1.00

02:15:52.000 We got a lot more rifles now and they go on parades with them Yeah, where they're driving tanks down the street and flying over fucking Blackhawks, but the but of course the point is that well Yes, if if the US military decided to nuke its own, you know population yes you're right our guns wouldn't do any good but the point is that that's not what they're trying to do they're trying to rule us and like yeah of course having guns like i look i don't know by the way let's say like the the jews and 0.81

02:16:21.000 in nazi germany had had been well armed would that have been enough to stop the holocaust or like if the ukrainians had been well armed would that have been enough to stop the genocide that stalin inflicted on them or whatever but i'd be better they are than not Like, I don't know.

02:16:38.000 Like, yeah, it might at least give them a second to go like, well, we can't go, you know.

02:16:43.000 And the truth is, like, if you were to just think the state that we're in right now, it's like, let's say they were just like tomorrow, some leader was like, we're rounding up all the guns in Texas. 0.98

02:16:54.000 Like, no you're fucking not. 0.98

02:16:56.000 Good luck! 1.00

02:16:58.000 You'll have a civil war on your hands.

02:17:00.000 Like, these people are not giving up their guns voluntarily, and the thing about people who won't give up their guns voluntarily is if you try to force them to it, they have guns.

02:17:07.000 Especially if they think you're gonna shoot them.

02:17:09.000 Yeah. If you're coming with guns.

02:17:11.000 They have guns, now you have a fight.

02:17:13.000 Yeah, that's right.

02:17:14.000 And that's terrifying.

02:17:16.000 And then you're also, you're paying someone to go do that.

02:17:18.000 That's a regular person.

02:17:19.000 Like, this is the thing about people in the army or in the police.

02:17:22.000 These are just regular folks.

02:17:23.000 Who tend to lean right wing and tend to like guns and the Second Amendment.

02:17:27.000 Yeah. Who may not be so keen on, you know, taking away the Second Amendment.

02:17:30.000 No, and they'll understand that this is a totalitarian measure and that what's going to happen is it's going to be the collapse of what we understand of as America.

02:17:38.000 We just, America is, we think of America in terms of our ability to express ourselves first and our ability to defend ourselves.

02:17:46.000 Yeah. No, that's why it's number one and number two.

02:17:48.000 And it's not to say that this is the entire reason, because obviously there's many different variables and factors and it's a complicated history.

02:17:57.000 But a huge part of the reason why America is the most prosperous, most successful country and has largely been the freest country in the history of the world is because of that.

02:18:07.000 Because the first thing we enshrined in our Bill of Rights was like, listen, man, the government is—and it's not You know, it's not what the people are allowed to do.

02:18:16.000 It's what the government is not allowed to do to the people.

02:18:18.000 Congress, all right, no law.

02:18:20.000 Period. You know, like this is like, it's the fact that this is the only country in the history of the world that was started on that premise and then has gone on to be the most dominantly successful country in the history of the world is not a coincidence.

02:18:35.000 No, it's not.

02:18:37.000 This is freedom's last battleground.

02:18:40.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:18:41.000 And we're in the middle of it right now.

02:18:43.000 We're in the middle of it in a weird, transitionary time, where things are being exposed at a level that have never been exposed before, and people have an understanding of how corrupt this system is in a way they've never been able to fully comprehend before.

02:18:58.000 You have an uncle that tells you, you know what they do, is the CIA sends people. 0.99

02:19:02.000 Uncle's crazy, that guy's out of his fucking mind. 0.56

02:19:04.000 Then Mike Benz explains it to you, and shows you charts and graphs, and people are like, brings up articles and has classified documents that have been released and he's showing you those like yeah yeah yeah well I mean his stuff and I mean look like the the Jeffrey Epstein stuff I mean it's just like again in every in every Yeah, 0.99

02:19:31.000 drinks and crap food with food stamps.

02:19:35.000 And then you realize, oh, wait, look, these companies like Coca-Cola and Pepsi have actually donated to the American Heart Association. 0.90

02:19:43.000 And evidently some Twitter influencers, too.

02:19:47.000 Oh, yeah, a bunch of them.

02:19:48.000 Did you see that?

02:19:49.000 Yeah, a bunch of them.

02:19:49.000 They're taking in that big Pepsi money, and then they're going, it is an assault on liberty to tell people they cannot buy Pepsi.

02:19:58.000 So many people that have prominent X accounts and prominent...

02:20:05.000 They all said the same thing, and they're probably being paid.

02:20:08.000 Because a bunch of people were being paid to support Kamala Harris.

02:20:11.000 And there was a bunch of people that exposed that, they showed the emails that they got, we were invited to do this, and you would get paid a considerable amount of money to make some sort of a statement saying that you would vote for that person.

02:20:24.000 And I guess they said, well, if you have 500,000 followers here and a million followers there, and you add all those up and you give this guy 25 grand, this guy 50 grand, and you give Beyonce 11 million.

02:20:36.000 By the way, I hear constantly people, when they attack me on Twitter, that I'm getting Russian money or Qatari money. 0.96

02:20:42.000 I've never got a goddamn check from any of them. 0.97

02:20:44.000 Like, guys, give me the money. 0.99

02:20:46.000 I'm already saying the thing, I think.

02:20:47.000 So, like, hey, why not?

02:20:48.000 At this point?

02:20:49.000 I'm just kidding.

02:20:50.000 I don't want your money.

02:20:51.000 Well, I get it all the time.

02:20:53.000 People think that someone's guiding this show, and then I have someone who tells me what to talk about.

02:20:58.000 Like, I would have never had Kurt Metzger on yesterday, if that's the case.

02:21:02.000 That's when you know no one's guiding anything.

02:21:04.000 Kurt Metzger, who I love dearly.

02:21:06.000 He was screaming about everybody.

02:21:07.000 He was screaming about Elon.

02:21:08.000 He was screaming about everybody.

02:21:09.000 I love Kurt Metzger dearly.

02:21:11.000 I've known him for over 20 years.

02:21:12.000 He's one of the most brilliant comedic minds in the world, but let's be real.

02:21:16.000 Nobody, if anyone was guiding anyone with a show, they would never allow Kurt Metzger to be on that show.

02:21:21.000 Anytime he appears on a show, that is proof that there is no big money behind this show.

02:21:25.000 Well, the scary thing for people is that there's not a guide.

02:21:28.000 It's very interesting.

02:21:41.000 For me, from my perspective, and I'm sure much more for you, but from my perspective, as somebody who's a regular and a good friend of yours and has been on the show many times, I get constantly, people always come up to me and say, what's Joe Rogan really like?

02:21:54.000 Which is always an interesting question to me, because it's like, and I always say, my answer is always, I go, but you already know.

02:22:02.000 Like you already know what Joe Rogan's like if you watch the show you already know what row it's more of that like I don't know it's that or you know like I'm not saying like there's not like any element of like something you might tell a close friend that you wouldn't say publicly but like generally speaking and this is true by the way almost with all of my favorite comedians you know people be like what was Patrice O'Neill like you're like Patrice O'Neill yeah exactly the guy you saw he was that a lot more of that same goes is exactly like that it's just always the case but But it was really interesting,

02:22:29.000 at least, I don't know, it was just so entertaining for me after this last election when it was almost like they finally had to admit the power that you have.

02:22:37.000 You know, because like for all those years, and we would always make fun of it over the years, but like Brian Stelter would be on CNN and he'd be like, the fringe Joe Rogan is over here.

02:22:46.000 He's very controversial.

02:22:47.000 And you'd be like, controversial?

02:22:49.000 He's like, he's got 15 million people listening to his show and you're struggling to break 200,000.

02:22:54.000 How do you get to say he's fringe?

02:22:55.000 You know, like, but It's almost like they had to admit after this last election, they're like, oh, and then the way they start going, well, we need our own Joe Rogan or we did our own this.

02:23:04.000 And it's just I don't know.

02:23:05.000 It's very interesting where it's like, man, talk about like you guys just don't get it.

02:23:10.000 Well, my favorite one was there was a guy on CNN saying that there's a well-funded network of right wing influencers that are organized.

02:23:21.000 And they were trying to make this argument.

02:23:23.000 Who are the people?

02:23:24.000 Like Theo and you?

02:23:26.000 Jen Psaki was trying to make this argument with Jon Stewart. 1.00

02:23:29.000 Oh yeah, and Stewart called her out and he was like, yeah, no, that's not right.

02:23:33.000 No, she was like, well, it's a right wing movement. 0.85

02:23:36.000 She's like, it's more of a comedian libertarian movement.

02:23:39.000 Yeah. Yeah, that's what it is.

02:23:41.000 Which I think is more like, you know, I mean, I think, I mean, I think generally speaking, like, you know, as you've always said, you're kind of a mix of like some kind of more sympathetic to left-wing ideas, some more sympathetic to right-wing ideas, some sympathetic to libertarian ideas.

02:23:54.000 But it's just so, especially like if you just know the people involved, like describe you and Theo Vaughn.

02:24:00.000 As a right-wing network.

02:24:02.000 Organized. It's the most disorganized thing in the history of the world.

02:24:06.000 Organized and well-funded.

02:24:07.000 I'm not organized, and I guess I'm well-funded, but it's not for that.

02:24:12.000 No one tells me anything.

02:24:17.000 Like, I can have on UFO people.

02:24:20.000 I can have on comedians.

02:24:22.000 No, there's no feedback.

02:24:24.000 I have no feedback.

02:24:25.000 There's no exchange between me and Spotify in terms of, who you got this week?

02:24:31.000 What's the month look like?

02:24:33.000 Tell us the big names.

02:24:34.000 They started at the beginning of the deal.

02:24:37.000 They said, okay, who's going to be the people the first week?

02:24:40.000 And my manager's like, hey, hey, hey, it's the same show.

02:24:44.000 You bought the number one show in the country.

02:24:45.000 He's not doing anything different.

02:24:47.000 And they're like, well, we would like to get some big names out of the game.

02:24:49.000 Like, ee, ee, ee, ee.

02:24:50.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:24:51.000 Like, that's just not, that's not what we do here, you know?

02:24:54.000 I'm not going to change.

02:24:54.000 It's the same show.

02:24:56.000 But the thing, it's such a funny thing, because it is almost like, it's like a...

02:25:01.000 You know, it's like somebody in a marriage, you know, like the corporate media, I'd say, they're like in a marriage and they're just lying through their teeth to their spouse.

02:25:08.000 They're constantly cheating on them. 0.98

02:25:09.000 They're getting caught left and right.

02:25:11.000 Then they're saying, no, no, no, it wasn't that.

02:25:12.000 It was you and you're the bad person and all this. 1.00

02:25:14.000 And they're just like the worst, most dishonest, fucking obvious liars. 1.00

02:25:18.000 And then they're like looking over at like someone in a healthy marriage and they're like, so what's that guy's trick? 1.00

02:25:23.000 Like, how does he do it?

02:25:25.000 And you're like, it's like, he just doesn't lie to her.

02:25:27.000 He's nice to her.

02:25:28.000 And like, I don't know, like, it's just like this The thing is, the big secret is that you're authentic and just say what you mean and invite the people on who you're interested in talking to. 0.99

02:25:38.000 And that, that was like the antidote to your insane, tyrannical bullshit. 0.94

02:25:44.000 It's also that I started it not for money. 0.99

02:25:46.000 I started it for fun and it didn't make money for years.

02:25:48.000 And I was independently wealthy.

02:25:50.000 Like I had money from Fear Factor and I had money from stand-up comedy.

02:25:54.000 I was like, I didn't have like a crazy lifestyle.

02:25:58.000 I was like, I can just, I'm fine.

02:26:00.000 Like, this is fun to do.

02:26:01.000 I'm just going to do this.

02:26:02.000 And then it just got big.

02:26:03.000 And it was so new.

02:26:04.000 And I never changed it.

02:26:06.000 I just kept doing it.

02:26:06.000 I made it better, got better cameras.

02:26:09.000 Yeah, no, it's funny. 0.95

02:26:11.000 Sometimes you look back at those old episodes and you're like, holy shit, that's grainy. 0.64

02:26:14.000 I don't remember it being that grainy, but it was compared to this. 0.89

02:26:17.000 Well, cameras were terrible back then.

02:26:19.000 We just used regular webcams that you go to Fry's Electronics and buy. 0.86

02:26:23.000 We just like regular fucking USB microphone in the beginning, plug it into a MacBook. 0.95

02:26:28.000 The whole thing was so janky. 0.95

02:26:30.000 It was like, and now, you know, they think somehow or another because it's big, well, some, it's been infiltrated.

02:26:36.000 It's not that I haven't been offered.

02:26:39.000 People have tried to buy percentages of the show and give me large sums of money.

02:26:43.000 And I'm like, yeah, yeah, I'm glad you didn't make that decision. 1.00

02:26:48.000 Once you have fuck you money, you better say fuck you. 1.00

02:26:50.000 Because if you don't, you're ruining one of the most beautiful gifts the universe can bestow upon a person, to never be beholden to money anymore. 1.00

02:27:01.000 To just be able to be yourself.

02:27:03.000 To do what you like to do.

02:27:06.000 Tucker Carlson said about me once, and I thought it was one of the best compliments I've ever gotten, and it really meant a lot to Tucker, who's someone I really admire a lot, but it was, I think, Patrick, but David, if I'm remembering correctly, he was on as, and it was before, like the debate with Cuomo had been announced, but it was before it happened.

02:27:23.000 And Patrick was like, how do you think that's gonna go?

02:27:26.000 And Tucker was like, look man, he's like, the thing about Dave is he is just totally unencumbered by any restraints.

02:27:35.000 You know, like there's no, I mean, I think what he meant was just like, there's no one who's like cutting his check.

02:27:40.000 There's no one who's like, there's nothing that holds him back.

02:27:42.000 Like I get to do the biggest show in the world a lot because you like what I have to say.

02:27:46.000 And so then that's it.

02:27:48.000 It's not like there's no I feel no like, man, I wish I could say this, but I really can't say that.

02:27:53.000 And there's something about that that is like that's the new thing.

02:27:58.000 And I'll say I think you and look, this is what's really crazy, right?

02:28:02.000 Like the impact of what you did during this election going forward is going to be. 1.00

02:28:08.000 And I know you don't like when I like suck your dick too much, but I'm just saying. 0.99

02:28:11.000 There's... 1.00

02:28:14.000 The fact that Trump did the show got such a great response from it.

02:28:19.000 Kamala Harris refused and then tried to get you to change what the show was and then obviously in hindsight like, oh, you know, the conventional wisdom is you really should have done that.

02:28:28.000 The new normal now going forward for presidential elections is gonna be that the expectation is that you can, and not just your show, I'm not saying like you have to have the candidates on every single four years, although I think you should, but that's your choice obviously, But the new expectation, the expectation used to be that two or three times a presidential candidate is going to have to go do one of these CNN debates where they will be asked these like very narrow questions.

02:28:57.000 They'll have 90 seconds to respond.

02:28:59.000 You know, it'll be Obama.

02:29:00.000 You know, how do you feel we do this in the war on terrorism?

02:29:02.000 Be like, well, first of all, thank you.

02:29:04.000 And thank you for coming out.

02:29:05.000 And we appreciate this.

02:29:06.000 That's pretty good. 0.99

02:29:06.000 And fluff and bullshit and blah, blah, blah. 0.99

02:29:08.000 And then hope can change. 0.99

02:29:09.000 Can I get a glass of water?

02:29:10.000 Yeah, but nothing, just emptiness.

02:29:12.000 Nothing happens.

02:29:13.000 And now the expectation is that you've got to go have an organic, unscripted, three-hour conversation.

02:29:20.000 And probably do it a few different times.

02:29:21.000 Yeah. In a whole different way than we've ever gotten to see presidential candidates before.

02:29:32.000 And the truth is that a candidate like Kamala Harris will never be a major party nominee again.

02:29:38.000 A candidate who is un- what was her running mate?

02:29:41.000 Tim Walz.

02:29:42.000 Tim Walz.

02:29:43.000 These guys are not, because they were not built for that.

02:29:46.000 The future is going to be guys like J.D. Vance, guys like Vivek Ramaswamy, guys like Bobby Kennedy, Tulsi Gabbard, and by the way, Maybe the Democrats will find somebody in there, you know?

02:29:56.000 You wouldn't have predicted Donald Trump in 2012.

02:29:58.000 Gavin Newsom is trying to do that.

02:30:00.000 I don't think it's going to be him.

02:30:01.000 He wants it to be him so bad.

02:30:03.000 Yeah, and that's the problem.

02:30:04.000 That's why he's doing his podcast.

02:30:05.000 And he's doing a podcast where I'm inviting everybody on.

02:30:08.000 Well, he's at least right for doing that.

02:30:09.000 I'm inviting everybody.

02:30:10.000 Everybody, come on in, whoever you are.

02:30:12.000 I'm inviting them all.

02:30:15.000 Hey, Gavin, invite me on.

02:30:16.000 We'll have a nice chat.

02:30:17.000 He probably would.

02:30:18.000 I'll do it.

02:30:19.000 He had Steve Bannon on.

02:30:21.000 Mr. Newsom, Governor Newsom, I would love, I would be honored to be on your show.

02:30:26.000 We can have a nice civil conversation about the issues.

02:30:28.000 We'll probably have you on right now.

02:30:30.000 We'll probably hear that and reach out to you.

02:30:32.000 Look, I will give him credit for this.

02:30:33.000 He is at least smart enough that, like, that is the move, is to go do a podcast and start interacting and try to figure out...

02:30:40.000 I think the issue that Gavin Newsom has is he is a very talented old school politician.

02:30:45.000 And I think that that archetype has been rejected.

02:30:50.000 Yeah. And that's going to be very tough.

02:30:52.000 I think that going forward, like, you know, you saw I don't know if you saw recently a few weeks ago, Bernie Sanders and AOC had like a few big rallies.

02:31:01.000 And they're drawn like, you know, tens of thousands of people to these.

02:31:04.000 Now, I don't think either of them are going to be the nominee.

02:31:06.000 I don't think they're really drawing those people.

02:31:08.000 That also is probably true.

02:31:10.000 You know, they got the cell phone data.

02:31:12.000 Yes. Yes.

02:31:13.000 No, I know.

02:31:13.000 And I've seen that and they are probably pretty artificial.

02:31:16.000 But still, there is no way like no one's reading Chuck Schumer's new book.

02:31:24.000 Like, the establishment wing is not gonna be what the future is.

02:31:27.000 It's gonna have to be some populist...

02:31:30.000 It's gonna be Jasmine Crockett.

02:31:33.000 I'm not sure she's the one.

02:31:35.000 Marjorie Taylor Greene and Jasmine Crockett in a cage fight.

02:31:38.000 Let's go!

02:31:39.000 Dude, that's your old bit from... 0.99

02:31:42.000 Talking monkeys in space, where you're just like, we could go dumber. 1.00

02:31:45.000 Just keep getting dumber and dumber. 0.99

02:31:47.000 So this is the level now. 1.00

02:31:49.000 It's fucking idiocracy! 1.00

02:31:49.000 Maybe you really predicted the future. 1.00

02:31:51.000 Yeah, I definitely did.

02:31:52.000 That was about George Bush getting us into Iraq.

02:31:55.000 He won again?

02:31:57.000 How did he win again? 0.99

02:31:58.000 And then someone in the back of the room going, I think we can go dumber. 0.98

02:32:01.000 And he's right. 0.83

02:32:02.000 He was 100% right with Tim Walz.

02:32:04.000 I mean, that guy was almost the vice president of the United States. 0.99

02:32:09.000 I'm sure you've seen that thing where it shows Obama saying, I need a vice president that's dumber than me. 0.99

02:32:15.000 And then it's Biden and Biden saying, I need a vice president dumber than me. 0.99

02:32:19.000 And it's Kamala saying, I need a vice president dumber than me. 0.99

02:32:22.000 And it's Walz. 1.00

02:32:23.000 Men have tampons. 0.99

02:32:24.000 You got to lose because we got to break this cycle. 1.00

02:32:27.000 We're getting way too dumb. 1.00

02:32:29.000 Yeah, regroup. 1.00

02:32:29.000 It wasn't just that we were getting dumb. 1.00

02:32:31.000 We were getting scary close to people justifying totalitarian measures. 0.97

02:32:35.000 You know what?

02:32:35.000 Tim Walsh in the campaign trail was literally saying, free speech doesn't include hate speech and misinformation.

02:32:42.000 Hey, man, fuck you. 1.00

02:32:45.000 Yeah. How about fuck you? 1.00

02:32:47.000 Because everything that we called misinformation just a few years ago is now being fucking... 1.00

02:32:56.000 I mean, the New York Times just printed a thing that turns out we were lied to. 0.93

02:33:00.000 Yeah, you lied to us.

02:33:01.000 You were a part of it.

02:33:03.000 You spit out all of their propaganda without doing what you're actually supposed to do, which is be a journalist.

02:33:11.000 The only way you can be a journalist today is if you're independent.

02:33:14.000 A real journalist.

02:33:15.000 You have to be a Glenn Greenwald.

02:33:17.000 You have to be a Schellenberger. 1.00

02:33:18.000 You have to be a Matt Taibbi.

02:33:20.000 You have to be someone who's independent.

02:33:21.000 That's the only way you could do real journalism today. 0.99

02:33:23.000 There's just too many fucking guardrails.

02:33:25.000 Glenn Greenwald, who is debatably the greatest journalist of the 21st century, and maybe I'd give it to Julian Assange, but he's up there, he had to leave the publication that he was a founder Yeah, yeah. 0.97

02:33:40.000 You know, The Intercept.

02:33:41.000 Yeah. Right.

02:33:43.000 He had to leave them because they were going the route of propaganda and not letting him tell the truth about Joe Biden.

02:33:48.000 And it's a testament to Glenn Greenwald that he was just like, OK, cool.

02:33:52.000 Bye. And I'll go be just as big without you guys.

02:33:55.000 And that's crazy.

02:33:56.000 That's another thing that's really interesting about like this, which is very recent though, right?

02:34:01.000 That there was a time like where like cancel culture was so effective.

02:34:07.000 I remember thinking this was something that really kind of scared me like a few years ago because it was like You know you'd have these people like some of the people who kind of started getting like big like before me I mean, I was I was doing what I do, but it I had a slower like progression But like some of these people who shot up to the top You know Milo or like people like that got totally removed from the conversation.

02:34:29.000 It was like they were just he's the best example Yeah, this guy was gonna be the guy who's on and then Bill Marshall.

02:34:36.000 Yeah, yeah And did great on Bill Maher's show.

02:34:38.000 Bill Maher compared him to Hitchens, remember that?

02:34:39.000 Yeah, I remember.

02:34:40.000 Like a gay Christopher Hitchens or something like that. 1.00

02:34:44.000 And now, it just seems all over the place, there's lots of examples of it, where it's like they try to...

02:34:51.000 You went through, I think, the biggest cancellation attempt, where they were just like, you could see it was like, I remember in those few weeks, it was like, a decision had been made.

02:35:02.000 We're going after Joe Rogan.

02:35:05.000 And they just emptied every bullet they had, and it all just bounced off you.

02:35:10.000 And then you see this with a lot of other people, like Alex Jones, Andrew Tate, you know, however you feel about these guys.

02:35:16.000 I'm not even making a comment on...

02:35:17.000 You just made them bigger.

02:35:18.000 I'm just saying that them getting kicked off every platform has not worked at all.

02:35:24.000 It doesn't work anymore.

02:35:25.000 And that's great.

02:35:26.000 And Daryl's another example of that, too, where they tried to go after him, and it just was not happening.

02:35:30.000 It just made him bigger.

02:35:31.000 Yeah, it's fascinating.

02:35:32.000 So they're going to have to adjust or go away, adjust or perish.

02:35:35.000 And I, I assume they're going to perish.

02:35:37.000 I don't see them adjusting. 0.98

02:35:39.000 The only thing that could change is the people that own them, like Jeff Bezos has kind of put the clamps down on the Washington Post and said, look, I don't want any of these fucking crazy left wing opinion pieces anymore.

02:35:50.000 I want you to report about lifestyle, health, news, objective news.

02:35:57.000 Like, let's become a fucking newspaper again, which is what That's the only way you have value with everybody. 0.89

02:36:05.000 Otherwise, you're alienating literally 50% of the country and the 50% that buy it... 0.99

02:36:11.000 They have to be retarded because you've been lying so openly about so many different things. 0.99

02:36:15.000 Everything has to be gone through a filter. 0.93

02:36:17.000 And so like, it's not even just that they're lying, but that they're lying in such a brazen, such a 180 degree from reality.

02:36:28.000 You know, like the way they've tried to make this thread of doge, you know, like where they're just kind of like, you know, what right does he have to go through all these bureaucratic email, bureaucrats emails and what?

02:36:40.000 When you zoom out it reminds me a lot there's this weird parallel between like what Bobby Kennedy was able to insert with the Maha movement where you had this thing where we had like what they'd call a national health crisis you know a pandemic like the all of our focus has to be on this health issue and then Bobby Kennedy just kind of came along and was like could I point out that like there's a real health crisis Crisis that we have yeah,

02:37:05.000 that's not the one you're talking about at all like you're claiming to care about health so much And it's like okay look at autism and and diabetes and obesity and where that like we lead the world in chronic illness heart disease like all these things like that's kind and then it was just The the doge thing it was like okay, so we have the the US federal government is the biggest organization in the history of the world.

02:37:27.000 We spend more than any other government in the history of the world has ever spent.

02:37:31.000 We are so far in debt now that the interest on the debt is now, I believe last year it was 1.2 trillion dollars and it's going up.

02:37:41.000 Yeah. And the interest on the debt is now overtaking the entire budget.

02:37:46.000 Like I remember when trillion dollar deficits were crazy.

02:37:50.000 If we balanced our budget tomorrow, We still run a trillion dollar deficit every year just because we owe it on the interest on the debt.

02:38:00.000 This is so obviously a crisis.

02:38:03.000 And then they're trying to convince you that the real crisis is that Elon Musk and a few of his genius nerd buddies want to open the books? 0.98

02:38:11.000 Like, how the fuck can you convince anyone of that? 0.97

02:38:14.000 Well, the Democrats are really good at having a narrative and then marching with it. 0.99

02:38:18.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:38:18.000 They're really good at it.

02:38:20.000 And that's what you see with all these tweets that are all from the same kind of verbiage.

02:38:24.000 They're using the same sentences and you see them all throughout.

02:38:27.000 Whenever it comes to certain issues, they're really good at, like, staying united and getting out this one message.

02:38:35.000 Yeah, which does work to kind of shockingly well, but again, it is like you can watch it.

02:38:41.000 Like it's like this thing that's getting diminishing returns Yeah. That's another issue that's gonna completely transform society if you think the internet and podcast transform society Just wait till you have super intelligent godlike computers that are telling us what we should do Yeah,

02:39:07.000 and there's um, you know, look there's some pretty spooky implications of all of that I mean, I you know, I've read a decent amount about the way like the IDF was using Artificial intelligence to like track, you know, like like suspects and stuff like this and you're like, oh like the military using AI is kind of creepy.

02:39:27.000 But then at the same time, you know, what what might that do to like People's ability to keep secrets and keep corruption going and you know It's kind of like who gets in charge of that right is gonna be a vet that's gonna be like the fate of mankind Well, I think they're prepping for that.

02:39:46.000 That's where they're jailing politicians. 0.97

02:39:47.000 Like there's a lot of that going on right now They're they're in a hot panic because you're not gonna be able to hide anything anymore.

02:39:54.000 It's gonna we have just a It's gonna come in waves and it's gonna be I mean, I'm just guessing what its impact is gonna be But I think the world's unrecognizable in 20 years.

02:40:04.000 Yeah, I think you're probably right probably right about that and it's a You know, it's gonna be very it's gonna be very interesting.

02:40:12.000 I remember you said like a long time ago I think it was like at that very beginning of the podcast But you had said one thing we're like you were like it's gonna be harder and harder to lie.

02:40:21.000 I Yeah.

02:40:33.000 You could lie back then.

02:40:35.000 Mm-hmm.

02:40:36.000 You could just tell lies.

02:40:37.000 Oh, you could make up stories.

02:40:37.000 You could make up whatever.

02:40:38.000 I used to do this.

02:40:39.000 I was the head of this.

02:40:40.000 I worked at this company.

02:40:42.000 Yeah, just say that.

02:40:42.000 Have a narrative.

02:40:43.000 It was just totally like, and you were just like, I don't know.

02:40:46.000 I mean, he says it.

02:40:47.000 There's no way to really check that.

02:40:48.000 And now it's like, you just say like, oh, I used to do this.

02:40:50.000 It's like, no, you didn't.

02:40:52.000 You know what I mean?

02:40:53.000 Like, that's a crazy shift that, you know, it happens slow enough that you don't realize.

02:40:57.000 But the more that that goes on and on, and the more technology there is, and the more singularity to it, There's gonna be an app in our lifetime that's a lie detector and it's gonna be 100%.

02:41:16.000 It's going to read your retinas.

02:41:18.000 It's going to look at your eyeballs.

02:41:19.000 And you're going to use it just the same way you use FaceTime.

02:41:22.000 And you're going to have to talk to your boss through that thing.

02:41:26.000 And it's going to be able to tell you, what did you do?

02:41:28.000 What did you actually do?

02:41:30.000 Where's the money?

02:41:31.000 Why is money missing?

02:41:32.000 Imagine that just like on politicians, though.

02:41:34.000 Oh boy, it's going to be great. 1.00

02:41:35.000 Get that bitch on Nancy Pelosi. 1.00

02:41:38.000 Because I just happen to be really good at picking stocks. 1.00

02:41:42.000 Too bad Dick Cheney's dead.

02:41:43.000 Would you like to stick him in front of that thing?

02:41:45.000 No, he's still alive.

02:41:46.000 Isn't he?

02:41:46.000 Is it Dick Cheney?

02:41:47.000 I thought he died.

02:41:50.000 Is Dick Cheney still alive?

02:41:51.000 Dick Cheney is alive.

02:41:52.000 Is he?

02:41:53.000 Yeah, no, somebody, I think somebody else.

02:41:54.000 I'm trying to think of who you, who's the guy who died.

02:41:57.000 One of the big ones died.

02:41:58.000 Uh-huh.

02:41:59.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:41:59.000 No, someone real evil did die, but that guy's...

02:42:01.000 What's that?

02:42:02.000 Wow, he's still alive with another dude's heart.

02:42:05.000 Still alive with another dude's heart.

02:42:06.000 Isn't it crazy? 1.00

02:42:07.000 All these people died from COVID and that fucking guy's just still kicking. 1.00

02:42:10.000 Yeah, well, the thing about making the deal with the devil is, you know, you get You get paid off. 0.99

02:42:15.000 At one point in time, he had no pulse.

02:42:17.000 He had some thing that was just circulating blood through his body and he didn't have a pulse.

02:42:20.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:42:20.000 That's gotta be in the Bible.

02:42:22.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:42:23.000 No, there's definitely something to that.

02:42:24.000 A guy responsible for a million innocent people dying who doesn't have a pulse.

02:42:28.000 And can you imagine?

02:42:29.000 It's just crazy.

02:42:30.000 And I don't know how much he was acting on his own.

02:42:34.000 No, no.

02:42:35.000 Oh, McCain's dead.

02:42:36.000 John McCain is dead.

02:42:37.000 He's been gone for a while.

02:42:38.000 Yeah, he's dead.

02:42:39.000 Why did I think that Cheney was dead?

02:42:41.000 I feel like there's somebody else who I...

02:42:43.000 But maybe not.

02:42:44.000 But you know what's crazy?

02:42:46.000 Did Rumsfeld just die?

02:42:48.000 I'm not sure.

02:42:50.000 There was a fake report earlier this year that Dick Cheney died.

02:42:53.000 Oh, maybe that's it.

02:42:54.000 They got me.

02:42:55.000 They got you with a scam.

02:42:57.000 But isn't it crazy that, you know, like there's a million examples of this, but just like how tone-deaf the Kamala Harris campaign was.

02:43:06.000 Now, I don't know how much Dick Cheney they, like, But Liz Cheney, they started bringing her on the trail. 1.00

02:43:14.000 He came out to endorse it and say that Donald Trump is the most dangerous threat to America and then she started campaigning with Liz Cheney. 0.97

02:43:22.000 Forget even the fact that obviously I'm the anti-war guy and I think all these people are blood-soaked monsters who should burn in hell for eternity, but leave all that aside. 0.97

02:43:31.000 Just the politics of it. 0.94

02:43:33.000 Liz Cheney lost her congressional race by like 50 points. 0.98

02:43:37.000 What market is that?

02:43:38.000 Like, what margin on the edges did they think like, I know, I know what'll move this.

02:43:43.000 Okay, we're down, but we're not out. 0.98

02:43:44.000 Bring in the Cheneys, and then we're gonna tell them about how much we love fucking the war in Iraq or something like that. 0.99

02:43:51.000 And it was, I think it was just a signal to like, Military contractors to be like, hey, we're cool, you know, like send us some more money. 0.98

02:43:58.000 Internally, apparently, they knew they were losing.

02:44:00.000 Yeah, they said the from which makes the spending even weirder.

02:44:04.000 Yeah, well, evident evidently, the the internal polling, there's a few really interesting questions about this, because so the it's been reported that the internal polling of Biden Before he dropped out was like a crazy landslide way way more than what Trump ended up winning by like they had him winning like 500 electoral I forget what it was But it was like a crazy fucking blowout and then similarly when Kamala Harris took over like they knew but then there's also something interesting where it's like hey,

02:44:32.000 so like Pollsters could could we ever get the real polls?

02:44:38.000 How come like they can figure out the real polls, right?

02:44:41.000 But then you because there was something like there's only been a few elections In my life, that I remember where, like, it was, um, it was just obvious who was, who was gonna win.

02:44:52.000 Like, Obama in 2008.

02:44:53.000 It was obvious.

02:44:55.000 You could not have convinced anyone, like, looks like John McCain's the frontrunner. 0.99

02:44:59.000 No, it fucking does not. 0.99

02:45:00.000 Like, this black Jesus has drawn 80,000 people, and then John McCain's over here like, I don't think we can do it. 0.99

02:45:07.000 You know, it's like, clearly this guy's losing, and this guy's gonna win.

02:45:10.000 But the polls reflected that.

02:45:12.000 It was like, oh yeah, Obama's up big in the polls.

02:45:14.000 But this year, everything you could see, taste, touch, like it was just, oh obviously Donald Trump, everywhere Donald Trump went, he's getting like a king's greeting, he's like with all, the culture has totally shifted in his direction.

02:45:26.000 Imagine if they hadn't astroturfed those conventions for Kamala Harris. 1.00

02:45:30.000 Imagine if they hadn't paid people to show up.

02:45:32.000 How many people would be there?

02:45:33.000 They'd have an arena.

02:45:34.000 Look, it would have been – imagine, like, right, it wasn't people coming to see Beyonce and they just had to come see Kamala Harris and all – you know.

02:45:41.000 It was – this campaign was – the Kamala Harris – and this is part of the reason why even though I am really upset about I mean, look, Bobby, I will say, does seem to at least be doing some real structural, like, he's talking about really, you know, changing some things at the health department.

02:46:03.000 I think maybe he could take a break from tweeting about the virus of antisemitism, but whatever.

02:46:10.000 Tulsi I'm really upset with over you know her like cheering on these these strikes I you know I thought she was supposed to be the one who was gonna stand up in that signal group and say something and not just leave it to JD and I think Donald Trump's messing up in a lot of ways but I really at least at this point like if he invades Iran and we have another war there then I will apologize for voting for him that I think I made a mistake and I shouldn't have done that but Short of that, I do think it was the right thing to do.

02:46:38.000 And part of it was like that that had to be exposed.

02:46:40.000 Because this Kamala Harris ticket, it was the most astroturfed ticket ever.

02:46:45.000 You know, like it's one thing.

02:46:46.000 Look, Obama had a lot of It's dangerous.

02:47:10.000 That's dangerous.

02:47:11.000 Yes, yes.

02:47:12.000 Because if they can get that through with her, even if you like her and you think she would have done a great job, it's scary that you were given that kind of power.

02:47:17.000 Yeah. And the same people that were auto-penning all those Biden executive orders would have been in charge.

02:47:24.000 Yeah, that's right.

02:47:29.000 You know, you could say whatever, that Joe Biden just feared that Donald Trump would abuse the Justice Department, which is, you know, a little ironic to accuse him of the thing you're actually guilty of doing, but to go out and to pardon your family, and forget the family even, because that's a little less relevant, but to pardon Fauci, and go back to 2014?

02:47:48.000 Why'd you pick that year?

02:47:50.000 Yeah. You know, Joe, I mean, obviously Joe Biden didn't pick anything, but who's the person who picked that we got to go back and give this guy blanket immunity going all the way back?

02:47:59.000 Like, come on, dude. 0.99

02:48:01.000 What the fuck? 1.00

02:48:02.000 It's crazy. 1.00

02:48:03.000 I mean, it's too much.

02:48:04.000 It's crazy.

02:48:05.000 And who really signed that?

02:48:07.000 That's the other thing.

02:48:08.000 The thing about using auto pen for writing all those pardons.

02:48:13.000 Does that count?

02:48:14.000 Is there a legal battle about that?

02:48:16.000 Because if you can't remember, if Mike Johnson testifies that he brought up the the natural gas deal, and he's like, why did you go in?

02:48:24.000 And he's like, I didn't.

02:48:25.000 He's like, no, you did.

02:48:26.000 And then he asks to be alone with Mike Johnson.

02:48:29.000 So he always has handlers with him.

02:48:31.000 And then when he's alone with him, then Biden tells him, I didn't sign that.

02:48:36.000 And then you realize it's the same signature.

02:48:38.000 Well, when you're the level of senile that Joe Biden was, Like, it leads to the question, how easy was it for everybody to manipulate you?

02:48:50.000 Also, because you could just tell him he did or didn't do something and he may not, you know, like he doesn't remember.

02:48:54.000 Well, like we don't know, you know, like there was this one thing.

02:48:58.000 Look, like one of the things on October 7th and I try I try almost to avoid this topic sometimes because I don't want it to come off like I'm downplaying the horrors of of October 7th.

02:49:25.000 Turned out not to be true.

02:49:26.000 The 40 beheaded babies and some of the like claims of mass rapes and stuff like that just turned out not to be true.

02:49:31.000 They were set in the fog of this thing.

02:49:32.000 Whatever. I'll give the benefit of the doubt of like, you know, maybe it was, you know, I think they were kind of abused by some politicians in order to get you to turn your brain off and be very emotional and not pay attention to what this response is going to be.

02:49:44.000 But Joe Biden claimed that he had seen the videos of the beheaded babies, and then it turned out to just like that never happened.

02:49:52.000 And then you're almost wondering, you're like, Was he lying?

02:49:56.000 Does he not remember?

02:49:57.000 Did someone just tell him that you've seen that?

02:50:00.000 Because he's a senile man, you know? 1.00

02:50:02.000 He's also a liar. 1.00

02:50:02.000 Like, his whole life he's been a liar. 1.00

02:50:03.000 Well, that's right. 0.98

02:50:04.000 So it's like impossible to know, because he's also been a liar his whole life.

02:50:08.000 He's also the guy who's like, I was first in my class, graduated with multiple degrees, and blah, blah, blah.

02:50:12.000 And you're like, none of this is even kind of true.

02:50:14.000 None of it's true.

02:50:14.000 None of it's even kind of true.

02:50:16.000 Yeah. And it's just wild that you could be too old and senile to stand trial for having classified documents, but yet you're fine giving out pardons.

02:50:30.000 Yeah. Like, how do you let a person with a mental disease give out pardons? 0.92

02:50:34.000 That seems like that's the guy I manipulate.

02:50:36.000 And if it turns out that guy gives out more pardons than anyone ever upon leaving office.

02:50:40.000 Yeah. How's that?

02:50:42.000 That seems like, that seems like those shouldn't be legit. 0.94

02:50:44.000 Well, look, on its own, of course not, but on its own, That, and there were things that come above that to me, like COVID and the war in Ukraine and, you know, a whole bunch of other shit.

02:50:55.000 But that alone is like Kamala Harris and the corporate media and the Democrats, they had to lose. 1.00

02:50:59.000 You can't do that.

02:51:00.000 You can't Emperor's New Clothes the entire American public. 1.00

02:51:03.000 And like, fuck it, just lie through your teeth pretending this guy's not a vegetable. 1.00

02:51:07.000 Wild times, Dave Smith. 1.00

02:51:08.000 We gotta wrap this up.

02:51:09.000 All right. 1.00

02:51:10.000 Bring this bitch home. 1.00

02:51:10.000 Thank you, sir. 1.00

02:51:11.000 Love you.

02:51:12.000 Love you to death.

02:51:12.000 You're awesome.

02:51:13.000 I love you too.

02:51:13.000 Appreciate you very much.

02:51:14.000 Tell everybody how they watched your show.

02:51:16.000 Oh, part of the problem is my podcast where I talk about all this political news stuff, and then Legion of Skanks is where I'm a degenerate with my comedian friends.

02:51:25.000 Check both of those out.

02:51:27.000 Skankfest is in New Orleans this year, if anyone wants to come.

02:51:30.000 That's going to be a lot of fun.

02:51:31.000 I believe it's September of this year.

02:51:34.000 And then, you know, ComicDaveSmith.com if you want to come see me on the road.

The Joe Rogan Experience - April 03, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2299 - Dave Smith

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