On this week's episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, the guys discuss the case of O.J. Simpson and his acquittals in the murder of his ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson. They also discuss the possibility that the evidence in the case was planted by one of the most infamous cops in history, Rodney King.
00:02:41.000You know, there was blood at the scene of the crime that had preservative in it.
00:02:46.000Allegedly, supposedly, according to Robert Kardashian and according to, I believe, the forensic scientists when they analyzed it.
00:02:53.000It matched OJ's blood, but they had to draw blood from OJ in order to determine whether or not it was his blood that was at the scene of the crime.
00:03:00.000And some of the blood found at the scene of the crime had that preservative in it that they use.
00:03:06.000They were sloppy in the 90s, you know?
00:03:10.000Well, there was no DNA evidence back then.
00:03:14.000People were – cops were – there's always going to be a certain percentage of cops that just want to convict somebody regardless of the evidence.
00:03:22.000And if they're in their mind and they believe someone is guilty, they will do whatever they can including planting evidence I guess.
00:05:24.000Your life and the people that you're with, their life depends on you not having any confusion about whether or not it's morally correct to be doing what you're doing.
00:05:34.000That's why they like to break it down to kill bad dudes.
00:05:54.000That's always the thing with physical altercations with people, too.
00:05:58.000You know, oftentimes people get sucked into these things where they're not sure whether to act or not act, and that's when they get in trouble.
00:06:33.000You have to have failed to act and then realize, oh, I should have done something there.
00:06:38.000Yeah, well, I think that's partly, too, one of the things that I often faced in my clinical practice and with the students that I mentored was this confusion about acting.
00:06:49.000I don't know what to do, so what should I do?
00:06:53.000I'll wait around until I figure out what to do.
00:06:55.000It's like, no, you should put together a bad plan.
00:06:59.000And you should implement it because even if you fail in the implementation, you'll gather information and then you can rectify the plan.
00:07:08.000And so staying in that malaise until you know what to do makes you get older and more miserable and you gather no information along the way.
00:08:25.000Because you want ads that are targeted to you because you want to see a bunch of ads that aren't relevant to you now and then because maybe you'll learn something.
00:08:41.000The problem comes, and we haven't figured this out at all technically and probably not psychologically, the problem comes in time frame, right?
00:08:49.000Because there's a big difference between What you might be interested in if you were diligently striving towards a long-term goal that required conscientiousness and what's going to attract your attention right now, this moment.
00:09:03.000And the thing about the algorithms is that they maximize for short-term attention.
00:09:07.000So basically, they're actually optimizing for hedonism.
00:09:12.000And then you might say, well, so what?
00:10:21.000The world loses its freshness because you see your memories instead of the world.
00:10:25.000And then kids come along and you think, oh, yeah, that's really actually quite interesting.
00:10:30.000And they're so compelled by everything because they're...
00:10:33.000Perceptions are so fresh that they share that with you, and that can help reawaken that spirit of childhood play, let's say.
00:10:41.000I've been thinking a lot about play in the last year or so.
00:10:45.000Well, I spent a lot of time trying to take apart the causes of truly pathological degeneration on the sadistic side, on the criminal side, on the totalitarian side.
00:12:07.000So mammals have a play circuit and it can be disrupted by pretty much any other motivational or emotional circuit.
00:12:14.000So the circumstances have to be set up properly.
00:12:16.000Like the walled garden, you know that idea?
00:12:19.000The walled garden is a place that play can take place, like eternally, so to speak.
00:12:24.000And because it has to be undertaken voluntarily, it's the opposite of tyranny.
00:12:31.000My wife and I have really started to apply this in our marriage more consciously.
00:12:36.000You know, once I'd figured out this relationship, because I've been lecturing to people for a long time about how to conduct themselves in life so they don't become a tyrant or a handmaiden to the tyrants, right?
00:12:49.000A silent handmaiden to the tyrants, let's say.
00:14:00.000Well, I guess in the West that would obviously be Christianity.
00:14:02.000But it's an interesting case example of the sorts of things we're talking about because you can imagine at the dawn of the sexual revolution when the birth control pill became prevalent that the last hypothesis anyone would have possibly generated was that The cascading consequences of that over 50 years would be,
00:14:23.000well, radical increase in pornography use because sex has been made less dangerous by the pill and that the people who are having the most sex would be religious married couples.
00:14:48.000But you could imagine, too, that you might have hypothesized that if the birth control pill took the threat out of sex, that pornography would be less necessary.
00:15:11.000Yeah, when it started to ramp up, let's say.
00:15:15.000It's so crazy because it completely changed the dynamic.
00:15:19.000Women could have sex for recreation with people that they didn't even know and not have any consequences in terms of like having to carry that person's child.
00:15:31.000If you're a woman in the back of your head, every time you have sex, you possibly could be taking care of a child for the next 18 plus years.
00:17:45.000But I used to think of people as being grown up all the time.
00:17:49.000And then when I had kids, I was like, oh, we're all just...
00:17:54.000We're all just babies that have just been alive for a long time.
00:17:59.000You know, everyone started out as a baby.
00:18:01.000And it just profoundly changed the way I interact with people, the amount of compassion I have for people, the amount of charity that I have for people, the charitable way in which I think about them when they do something or they say something.
00:18:16.000I give people the benefit of the doubt way more.
00:18:19.000Dave Chappelle said this to me once at the Comedy Store.
00:20:04.000History dictates you have to be insanely ruthless to fight off that tribe.
00:20:09.000There's no other way for survival, which is really wild, right?
00:20:14.000Because those people have that same feeling towards their children.
00:20:18.000It's like that sting line, if the Russians love their children too.
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00:21:41.000So that love that you talk about with regard to your wife, you know, I asked you a little bit about that.
00:21:49.000It's like, I've talked to people who have, they can't understand how someone could be with the same woman indefinitely, let's say.
00:22:00.000These are people who usually haven't been able to establish that within their own life.
00:22:04.000And of course, the price you pay, assuming it's a price, for going all others is that, well, that...
00:22:16.000And so, what do you think, what role do you think that love plays?
00:22:21.000Like, how do you conceptualize the relationship between that love that you described and that willingness to stay in a permanent relationship and the willingness also to not pursue any other women?
00:22:35.000How do you understand, how does that make itself manifest in your life?
00:22:41.000I mean, I presume that you had opportunities of all sorts.
00:23:02.000This is a fascinating aspect of academia.
00:23:05.000I seem to shut that off pretty much at the beginning.
00:23:07.000Well, they seem to have completely stopped that.
00:23:12.000Like if you go back to Feynman and Oppenheimer and famous, famous scientists were notoriously playboys, which is really interesting because it's like these wild, innovative people were essentially like intellectual rock stars,
00:24:23.000There's a lot of guys who wind up with really hot women who are out of their fucking mind and a lot of women who wind up with really hot men who are not what they thought they were going to be.
00:24:35.000And if you find yourself in this situation where you're with this pathological person and you're trying to make it work and you realize at a certain point in time, I'm not going to make it work.
00:24:45.000You have to be able to just jump ship.
00:24:49.000That's why people are hesitant to get married.
00:24:51.000That's what's really dangerous about marriage.
00:24:55.000It's not like being with one person you really love being with.
00:26:18.000So imagine you are legally entangled with someone.
00:26:24.000Who at one point in time you loved intimately and now that person is trying to destroy every aspect of your life.
00:26:32.000And you have to pay for their lawyers.
00:26:35.000So you have to pay for the general of the army that's trying to destroy your kingdom.
00:26:41.000And I've seen this happen to many of my friends.
00:26:44.000And that is why people are afraid of marriage.
00:26:47.000That's why people are afraid of commitment.
00:26:49.000Because the disastrous implications of like what can happen if it goes sideways?
00:26:54.000Like what can happen if you wind up hating each other?
00:26:57.000And what can happen if you just lie to yourself and you trick – like some of the hesitation that I had for getting married is most of my friends that got married when I was young all went through horrible divorces.
00:27:12.000When I was on news radio, Dave Foley, Stephen Root and – Phil Hartman.
00:27:45.000The amount of money these women were trying to get from them when they knew that they couldn't afford this.
00:27:49.000So what are the dirty tricks that will happen with divorce lawyers, with people that are on sitcoms?
00:27:58.000Is when you get on a sitcom, if you're an actor and you get on a sitcom, it is the most stable job, the greatest job in show business for a lot of them.
00:28:09.000Because you're going to get a steady check.
00:28:11.000You're going to do 24, maybe 26 episodes a year.
00:28:15.000You're making more money than you've ever made in your whole life.
00:28:21.000So what happens is it gets set up where your ex-wife wants a percentage of what you're making at this very unrealistic level, where you're never going to achieve this again.
00:28:35.000And for Dave Foley, it was so bad that at one point in time, I don't believe he was allowed to go back to Canada.
00:28:40.000I don't know if that's changed, but the judge literally told him, when he told the judge, Don't have that kind of money anymore.
00:28:47.000I don't have the potential for earning.
00:29:35.000And they didn't fight, which is really nice.
00:29:38.000It was really nice to have that as a model.
00:29:41.000You know, like where I realized, okay, everybody's not at each other's throats all the time.
00:29:46.000And some people actually do enjoy spending time together.
00:29:49.000You know, Tammy and I on the tour, she started to introduce me two years ago and to talk about some of the things we're doing in the family, some of our family business, talk about Peterson Academy,
00:30:13.000Yeah, well, so first of all, she did that, and then we replaced the business discussion, because we were just doing an update about the family, you know, and so she'd do that.
00:30:22.000We replaced that with ads, and then she started to talk.
00:30:26.000She talked about the rules, say, in 12 Rules for Life, or some of the religious things I've been dealing with lately, and she'd relate that to something in her own life.
00:30:36.000And then she does the Q&A at the end of the lecture.
00:30:40.000Part of that was just she was along with me and part of that was Michaela was introducing me for a while and then had to go back to her work.
00:30:46.000And so we slotted Tammy in because it seemed like a good business decision.
00:30:50.000But one of the things we figured out very quickly that was really a shock to us was that people really liked, especially the Q&As, because what people will offer their questions electronically on this platform called Slido,
00:31:06.000which is a very good platform for such things.
00:31:09.000Then Tammy would, they could upvote the questions and then Tammy would sort them and ask me questions kind of from the top down that were thematically relevant to the lecture that I had given.
00:31:20.000But we found very quickly that people really liked that because they hadn't seen a couple engage in civilized discussion ever.
00:31:31.000Seriously. Yeah, there's a lot of that out there.
00:32:08.000We found it was the same thing with regards to seeing a functional couple, at least even that model.
00:32:14.000Because, you know, Tammy asked me questions, and she thinks about the questions, and then sometimes she comments, but not that much.
00:32:22.000But she actually listens to the answers, and she wants to hear the answer.
00:32:27.000And so, and that dynamic is being played out on stage, and people found that very heartening.
00:32:32.000And all that shows you, well, you said, you know, yourself, and this is why I brought it up, because you had the example from your stepfather and your mom of this long-term relationship that worked.
00:32:43.000I mean, how the hell do you orient yourself if you haven't seen that anywhere?
00:32:47.000Right, and then you consider relationships just like all the bad ones, and like you're going to be burdened and locked into that.
00:32:55.000Did you ever see that video where Alec Baldwin and his wife are on the red carpet and they're being interviewed and they're asking them questions and the wife starts talking and Alec chimes in about something and she said,
00:33:50.000We went to a party once and I remember she was talking about ex-boyfriends and she loves pickup trucks because her ex-boyfriends had pickup trucks and they would climb into the back of these pickup trucks and I was like,"What the fuck?" But she was doing it on purpose to make him squirm and make him uncomfortable.
00:34:10.000And she would say things like talk about how he's old.
00:35:06.000So if you have this radical change in your life where no longer you're a family man, and if you want to be honest about it and you want to say, I was in a toxic relationship and some of it was me and some of it was her and this is what happened, like, whoa, now you're opening up the world to this big can of worms.
00:35:49.000He drank every cent the family had and they lived in terrible poverty.
00:35:53.000And his sister died and like it was rough.
00:35:56.000But he said his father was often sober in the morning and he established a relationship with like good morning sober father and kind of put alcoholic drunken nighttime father in a different bin and he could get the...
00:36:13.000Benefit of having a father in consequence of that.
00:36:16.000And that honoring, that's also something that you want to do within a marriage, right?
00:36:21.000Because your wife is your friend and your lover, but she's also your wife.
00:36:26.000And you're her husband, and that means that a part of keeping that marriage working is honor.
00:36:33.000And part of the honor is that you don't do that sort of thing in public.
00:36:36.000Right. You don't humiliate each other.
00:36:40.000Well, that's also in some ways independent.
00:36:42.000In a way, it's independent of who your wife or husband is.
00:36:45.000It's like, you know, you can imagine two people fighting in public and one of them or both of them really deserving to have that fight as people.
00:36:54.000But then to keep the marriage intact, you have to remember, well, this is my wife.
00:38:17.000I think a lot of people don't feel like they have a voice and one way to be heard is to be insulting and one way to hurt is to be negative.
00:38:25.000If you look at the majority of discourse on social media...
00:38:31.000In regards to hot button issues, it's disrespectful.
00:39:18.000Wouldn't it be better to figure out what you agree and disagree on and why and talk?
00:39:23.000Like, why can't we all figure out how to do that?
00:39:26.000That should be a discipline you learn at an early age.
00:39:29.000Most of the issues that people have, if the person comes at you insulting and aggressive, either that person is ignorant or they're playing a game, okay?
00:39:39.000And the game is to get your emotions up.
00:39:43.000To get you reactive and to be reacting to them instead of acting.
00:39:48.000The game is like if someone's hyper-aggressive in a fight.
00:39:51.000The game is to put you on the defensive.
00:40:34.000Like I said this before, even publicly things that I felt like I had to do...
00:40:40.000Like the Carlos Mencia conflict that I had way back in 2007 where I accused him of stealing material and it became this viral video and then a bunch of other comedians jumped in and we all agreed there was a real problem.
00:40:52.000It was a real problem because he was very famous and he was being protected by these agencies who were profiting off of him being famous.
00:41:33.000Well, you could imagine, maybe, and I think this is worth delving into in some depth, you could imagine that there are various ways of attaining status, renown, reputation.
00:41:49.000Status isn't exactly the right word because reputation is better, because you can have a reputation that you deserve, right?
00:42:21.000This is why, by the way, this is very cool.
00:42:24.000It's a bit of an aside, but it's worth bringing up.
00:42:27.000In the Gospels, Christ tells people to store up Treasure in heaven where it doesn't rust, where the thieves can't steal it, that's reputational treasure.
00:42:37.000So the idea is that if you conduct yourself impeccably, you'll develop a storehouse of reputation that will withstand all catastrophe.
00:42:49.000There's no place you can put your wealth that's more effective than that.
00:43:19.000And what that also means is that there's a high psychological benefit to...
00:43:25.000Status increase, reputational increase, and a real cost to reputational decrease.
00:43:30.000That's partly why people don't like losing face, for example, because their emotions dysregulate.
00:43:37.000Okay, so now the best way to play that game is to establish a genuine reputation.
00:43:42.000And the best way to do that, you've done this, by the way, I figured out this year in my lectures that I'm always trying to answer a question on stage.
00:45:21.000Absolutely. Because if you meet someone and they're playing a power game with you, you can just decide not to have anything to do with them anymore.
00:45:30.000Or you can put a stop to it if you need to.
00:46:49.000Four to five percent of the population, something like that, is cluster B, that's the DSM-5 terms, histrionic, narcissistic, antisocial, psychopathic, and they have dark tetrad traits,
00:47:09.000Okay, so the question is, how do these people maneuver?
00:47:12.000And the answer is, they go to where the power is.
00:47:15.000And they adopt those ideas, and they put themselves even on the forefront of that.
00:47:19.000But the ideas are completely irrelevant.
00:47:21.000All they're doing is, they're the Pharisees.
00:47:24.000They're the modern version of the Pharisees.
00:47:25.000They're the people who use God's name in vain, right?
00:47:28.000As they proclaim moral virtue, doesn't matter whether it's right or left or Christian or Jewish or Islam, they invade the idea space, and then they use that, those ideas as...
00:47:41.000False weapons to advance their narcissistic advantage.
00:47:44.000And so then you have the problem, and the right's going to face this more and more particularly, because the left had to face it when they were in powers.
00:47:52.000How do you identify the psychopathic parasites, 4% of the population, who are clothed in your clothing and waving your flags, but who are only in it for narcissistic benefit?
00:48:29.000Reputation, that's what a narcissist wants.
00:48:31.000And they're psychopathic, which makes them predators or parasites.
00:48:34.000Okay, that's pretty bad, those three things.
00:48:37.000But they had to expand the nomenclature after a while because they found that they were also sadistic, which implied that if you're Machiavellian and narcissistic and psychopathic, you develop a sufficiently bad view of your fellow man that their undeserved pain is a source of pleasure to you.
00:48:57.000And that's what's being enabled online.
00:49:00.000See, because we've evolved real specific mechanisms to keep such things under control in face-to-face interaction.
00:49:07.000Lack of anonymity, for example, within a community.
00:49:10.000Psychopaths in the real world, they wander.
00:49:13.000They have to move from place to place because people can figure out who they are.
00:49:26.000They escape from that system of constraints, and they have free reign, and they can find other people like them very rapidly, and they can gang together.
00:49:35.000And so this is like, I can really see this starting to happen on the right.
00:49:39.000Like, I've been tracking psychopathic behavior on the right for probably four years, something like that, especially on the anti-Semitic side, because that's really where it reared its head first.
00:50:36.000And then there's also the concept of intelligence agencies and compromise that also gets attached to it, the manipulation of world markets and money, and there's a lot to unpack.
00:51:35.000Yeah, well, all these complex things are multidimensional.
00:51:39.000I mean, I watched your whole conversation with Douglas, and I thought you guys did a very credible job, all three of you, of navigating unbelievably choppy waters.
00:51:52.000So that's the first thing I'd like to say, because one of the things I was trying to figure out when I was watching that is, do I think I could have done a better job than any of you?
00:52:00.000And I certainly didn't walk away from it with that.
00:52:04.000But then underneath all that, I thought there's a really unbelievably tricky problem here.
00:52:09.000And I think that's why it's made it poked up into...
00:52:13.000Well, you also set that conversation up, but it poked up and made itself manifest in that conversation.
00:52:19.000And the issue is, how do you identify...
00:52:23.000The psychopathic pretenders, and it's even worse now, and then make a barrier, right?
00:52:29.000Now the right was calling for the left to do that for decades, and they didn't, and they couldn't, and the left is not good at drawing barriers, partly temperamentally.
00:52:37.000The right is somewhat better, but there's no shortage of monstrosity there.
00:52:41.000And so then the question is, how do you draw the line?
00:53:10.000And so, you know, you've let your curiosity guide you.
00:53:14.000Your curiosity and your desire for knowledge, this quest, you've...
00:53:19.000You've let that guide you as a podcaster.
00:53:21.000And by the way, I'm trying to work through exactly the same sort of thing.
00:53:25.000How do you know, given your radical increase in stature over the last 10 years, how do you know when your curiosity and even your skepticism about the fact that things aren't the way that people say they are, because that's certainly been demonstrated in the last 10 years.
00:54:09.000And, you know, you said to Douglas, and I know this to be true, that...
00:54:12.000You're not really thinking about the outcome exactly.
00:54:15.000You're thinking about this is an interesting person to talk to and I'd like to go on that quest.
00:54:20.000But then you have the additional conundrum.
00:54:22.000We're trying to work this out in the Daily Wire side of things too, not to say that that's exactly the same situation.
00:54:27.000It's like once you gain in reach and authority, then how do you know that How do you take great care that the people you're talking to aren't,
00:54:47.000what would you say, eliciting or feeding a subculture, yeah, that's right, that hasn't got the proper aims?
00:54:58.000I guess the legacy media probably worked that out by having people, mediators, right, and guests, and that was also back when we could rely on the structures of authority in some sense to...
00:55:14.000Filter. And now we're in this helter-skelter world where everything is up for grabs.
00:55:17.000The legacy media is the worst at that now.
00:55:42.000But then I go back to, like, what I learned about the Woodward-Bernstein-Nixon thing at Watergate that was all essentially an intelligence operation.
00:57:59.000What are you supposed to do with that?
00:58:01.000All the things that would have gotten you fired if you were a professor and you said them four years ago, you would have 100% got fired for espousing any of these ideas that turned out to be true.
00:58:13.000You would have gotten kicked off of YouTube.
00:58:15.000You would have gotten, you know, there was a lot.
00:58:19.000There was a lot going on there, you know, which is I feel so fortunate that Right at the height of COVID was also when I had gone over to Spotify.
01:00:30.000I don't want to say he's out of touch, but there's too many things for him to be thinking about, for him to be paying attention to what people really think about the vaccines and vaccine injuries and mandates and just the psychological...
01:00:43.000Warfare that was played on the American people.
01:00:47.000You remember that very famous White House post that they made?
01:00:50.000For the vaccinated, you've done your job.
01:00:53.000For the unvaccinated, you're looking forward to a winter of severe illness and death and the hospitals that you will overwhelm.
01:01:02.000Like, that was the White House telling you something when it was in...
01:01:07.000Omicron by that point, which was like a cold.
01:02:11.000I've been touring about this new book of mine, We Who Wrestle with God, and I've been lecturing about lots of the things I know, but I've been using biblical stories mostly to provide an analytical frame, because that's what stories do,
01:02:28.000And there's a great story in the continuing Exodus story, the story of Moses and the Israelites, where Moses has led his people away from the tyrant.
01:02:41.000And away from their own slavery because there's a dynamic in that story between those two things.
01:02:48.000Or you might say no tyrants without willing slaves.
01:02:51.000And so the Israelites have to get away from the tyrant but then it's across the Red Sea of chaos and blood and into the desert for 40 years.
01:03:00.000You don't escape from the tyrant if you're a slave without paying a price and maybe for three generations.
01:03:25.000They run out of water and they get all whiny and bitchy about the fact that they had to go across the desert and that it was way better under the tyrant and that Moses is nothing but a corrupt patriarch and he's only power mad.
01:05:06.000And he realizes his responsibility in the encounter with the burning bush, which is something that attracts his attention, that he takes with great seriousness, and that transforms him.
01:05:16.000And so then he becomes the leader who stands up against the tyrant and frees the slaves and takes them through chaos into the desert.
01:05:23.000And his temptation as leader is to use force.
01:05:26.000So when he's a young man, for example, he kills an Egyptian aristocrat who was...
01:06:12.000One of the three temptations is the temptation for use of power.
01:06:15.000So one of the things that maybe we could conclude from all this, given the context of what you said, is that you can tell the tyrants, they use fear and compulsion.
01:08:07.000That's when it gets scary when you see governments telling people that they have to fall in line or these are horrible consequences for you not agreeing to what we're saying.
01:08:16.000And then if you don't do this, you're a part of the problem.
01:08:20.000Well, and if the apocalypse that's generated in that way is of sufficient magnitude, there's no limit to the amount of power that can be exerted.
01:08:29.000Because obviously the rationale is there.
01:09:11.000He organized many large corporations to go down this central planning governance route because the market wasn't pricing everything properly.
01:09:21.000And so central planners had to step in.
01:09:23.000And BlackRock and Vanguard and places like that were big parts of that.
01:09:26.000Don't know if they were directly affected by Kearney, but it's the same thing.
01:09:36.000And Carney says in his book, this is a good example of this, and I think also a good example of this kind of narcissism that we talked about earlier.
01:09:46.000Every single financial decision that every individual or organization makes has to prioritize decarbonization above all else.
01:09:54.000And there will be many, he doesn't say casualties, but he implies that, there'll be many...
01:09:59.000There'll be many who pay a price along the way, but it's necessary, you know, because you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.
01:10:06.000And then he says 75% of the world's fossil fuels have to stay in the ground.
01:10:11.000And this is who Canadians are seriously thinking about electing.
01:10:14.000Why does he say the fossil fuels have to stay in the ground?
01:10:57.000They didn't want to look at any factors other than vaccination and compliance.
01:11:02.000With carbon, no one wants to look at, I'm sure you saw that Washington Post study of the last, was it 50 million years, the graph that shows the temperature of Earth?
01:11:16.000And that was always what, I mean, during the 1970s, Leonard Nimoy, when he had that In Search Of show.
01:11:22.000One of the things that they covered was that we are at the verge of an ice age, and how terrifying an ice age is.
01:11:28.000Yeah, well, the conclusion you draw about climate and carbon dioxide is entirely dependent on where you put the origin point of your graph.
01:11:36.000So if you go back 150 years ago, carbon dioxide has increased.
01:11:40.000If you go back 500 million years ago, which is quite a lot longer, we're in a drought, like a serious carbon dioxide drought.
01:11:48.000Right, and also carbon dioxide is the fuel of plants.
01:12:00.000Well, you know, one of the things I learned as a scientist was that there's usually an explanation or two that accounts for a phenomenon so completely that almost everything else is noise.
01:12:14.000The Maha movement, make America healthy again.
01:12:16.000The fundamental issue is insulin resistance.
01:12:20.000Like, that's the fundamental plague of, say, North America.
01:13:11.000More particular than that, because a lot of the greening has occurred in semi-arid areas, so areas around deserts.
01:13:19.000And the reason for that is that if there's more carbon dioxide, the plants can close their breathing pores more, and they don't lose water.
01:13:27.000And so not only is there 20% more vegetation, which is a lot, I think it's twice the area of the United States that's greened.
01:14:53.000So this has been going on for a very long period of time.
01:14:59.000The climate apocalypse narrative is perfectly situated to, what would you say, to serve the purposes of the narcissists, the Machiavellians, the psychopaths and the sadists,
01:15:23.000And it also provides a perfect cloak for any amount of power maneuvering.
01:15:27.000It's like, I want to make your shower heads put out a needle spray so that you're cold all the time while you have a shower, while you're doing something you do every day that could otherwise be highly enjoyable.
01:15:41.000Why do I get to invade your life to that degree?
01:15:43.000Well, because the planet's at stake, Joe.
01:15:46.000And who are you to privilege your shower comfort, something that trivial, over the fate of the entire planet?
01:15:52.000Well, you can use that argument at every single level.
01:15:55.000You know, Trump came out with this executive statement just a few days ago about showerheads.
01:16:00.000And everybody kind of laughed about that.
01:16:02.000And I thought, no, he has an eye for petty tyranny.
01:16:36.000Can be used to strike fear in the hearts of people and to justify compulsion.
01:16:41.000They ally themselves with that belief claim, and then they ratchet themselves up status hierarchies without any true reputational validity riding on that edge of fear and power.
01:17:09.000The whole bloody transcript was sent to the college as an indication that I was out of my wheelhouse.
01:17:14.000You know, and maybe I stepped a bit out of my wheelhouse when we had that discussion, because I'm not a climate scientist, whatever the hell that is, by the way.
01:17:22.000Because you have to know a lot to be a climate scientist and an economist on top of that.
01:17:27.000So today I'm talking about something that's a lot more psychological.
01:17:30.000The climate apocalypse narrative is a social contagion that's driven by power-mad psychopaths who are hell-bent on using fear and compulsion to make sure everyone steps in line so that they...
01:17:44.000Can continue with their acquisition of undeserved power.
01:17:47.000It's also effective enough that the people that are underneath the power comply and do the job of the man for the man.
01:17:55.000Yeah, well, that's the advantage of using fear and compulsion, right?
01:17:59.000It's like, well, I have to go along with this because...
01:18:01.000My leaders, who had built up a certain degree of credibility, are telling me that, you know, the apocalypse is nigh.
01:18:08.000And who am I to, well, first of all, question, because, God, there's a hard thing to figure out.
01:18:12.000You know, what's the global effect of human activity on the climate for the next hundred years?
01:18:24.000The climate fluctuates, and for complex reasons, but that doesn't mean that you get to look 100 years into the future, and you get to conjure up an apocalyptic narrative, and you get to say, we're the only people that can save you, and you get to say, you have to change every single thing you do in your life and prioritize our concern above all else,
01:18:44.000including even the well-being of your own children, or the...
01:18:47.000The economic future of the Africans, for example, who don't get to use fossil fuels, right?
01:19:50.000Yeah, the groipers for that matter, right?
01:19:53.000These are people who are clearly playing power games for their own benefit and they're spinning up these conspiratorial narratives and riding on them and occupying them in this parasitical manner.
01:21:10.000Sam Harris was obsessed with malevolence, and he wanted to ground morality in objective science because he thought that would give us a firm standing place.
01:21:18.000But he went down the wrong scientific rabbit hole, I think.
01:21:22.000I think if you understand this relationship with play and iteration, then you have the core of morality.
01:21:28.000And Piaget, by the way, this is part of...
01:21:34.000This is the philosophical edge of his theory.
01:21:37.000This is actually what he was trying to accomplish.
01:21:39.000How do you decide if an arrangement is good versus bad or good versus evil?
01:21:43.000Well, Piaget went to children to find that out.
01:21:46.000It's like, okay, you want to set up a game.
01:21:49.000Why? Well, a game is the first social, it's the foundation of social interaction, right?
01:21:55.000Play a game with one other people, one other person, and then maybe you can play a game with a bunch of people, and then you can play a game with one person or a bunch of people across a long period of time, and then you can do it in a way that improves.
01:22:36.000There's a very limited number of ways to offer a game that someone else wants to play, and then there's a very limited number of ways to play that game so that they want to keep playing with you.
01:22:46.000And then if you add that additional constraint of improvement across the games, you've got the straight and narrow path.
01:22:54.000And then it's marked by, we're really trying to do this at ARC.
01:22:59.000We want to offer a vision that people want to accept.
01:23:06.000Or even thrilled to accept, because that's even better, right?
01:23:09.000A game that you'd be thrilled to play.
01:23:11.000So one of the things we're doing on the energy side, I'm going to an event with Alex Epstein here in two days.
01:23:30.000Like, have you got a problem with that?
01:23:31.000Well, poor people can't have energy because that'll destroy the planet.
01:23:35.000It's like, no, poor people can't have that energy because you'd have to let go of the game that you're playing as a narcissistic psychopath that's elevating your status.
01:23:44.000And you're perfectly willing to sacrifice the world's poor to continue your grip on power.
01:23:49.000How about that for a psychological interpretation?
01:23:53.000Why don't we do everything we can to drive energy costs down to the lowest degree that's sustainable, like in a market economy, and make energy available to everyone so that we eradicate absolute poverty?
01:24:05.000Why wouldn't the left line up around that?
01:24:09.000Because the left hypothetically serves the poor.
01:24:12.000It's like nothing serves the poor better than an ethos first.
01:24:16.000We've got to get that right because we're also interested in getting the story right.
01:24:20.000But after that, on the material side, there's nothing more important than cheap energy.
01:24:24.000Right, but can I stop you for a second there?
01:24:25.000I don't think people on the left are getting that message.
01:24:28.000I don't think they're hearing that this is exactly what third world countries need is a reliable source of energy and industry.
01:25:07.000And he would like to see a world where, and he's part of ARC, he'd like to see a world where we make energy abundance a top priority.
01:25:13.000It's probably the only way you're going to pull third-world countries out of dire poverty.
01:25:19.000Well, it's also, as far as I can tell, the only way that you pull them out of environmental catastrophe.
01:25:24.000Right. Because if you want to produce an environmental catastrophe, a true environmental catastrophe, how about a three- or four-year famine so that everyone there kills all the animals, for example, or dies, right?
01:25:37.000So we also know that if you get people above $5,000 a year GDP...
01:25:42.000Then they start paying attention to long-term environmental sustainability because they don't have to scrabble around in the dirt for their next meal.
01:25:50.000So then we could say, well, how about we have a future of sufficient abundance so that no one is deprived of energy or opportunity for their children?
01:26:01.000Right. Well, that sounds like an invitation.
01:26:05.000Now, if you hate people and you think the industrial enterprise is a...
01:26:09.000Stain on the planet and that we're viruses or cancer on the planet, then you're going to have a problem with that.
01:26:15.000But my sense, too, is that if we had enough energy, we could make all the deserts bloom.
01:26:20.000I was watching a video on pollution in India about the amount of garbage that gets thrown in rivers in India.
01:26:30.000And it was staggering, just staggering to watch that somehow or another.
01:26:38.000Because the population is so large and there's so many poor people and there's a lack of hope, whatever it is, they're just throwing their garbage in the rivers.
01:28:17.000Okay, so Abraham, he doesn't hear anything about God until he's like 70. And he's already living in privileged paradise because his father and his mother are rich.
01:28:29.000And so he doesn't have to lift a finger.
01:28:31.000If life is about having your needs met, Abraham's got it covered.
01:28:35.000And so he lives like a satiated infant till he's 70. And then a voice comes to him and it says, you are required by the God of your ancestors to leave your zone of comfort.
01:28:51.000To leave the wealth of your father, to leave your nation, to leave your language, to go out into the world and have your terrible adventure.
01:29:01.000And if you do that, so now imagine that's the call to adventure.
01:29:06.000If you do that, these things will happen.
01:29:09.000This is the covenant that God makes to the Abrahamic people.
01:29:13.000I just talked to Brett Weinstein about this from an evolutionary biological perspective on the road because I wanted him to evaluate the story I'm going to tell you from an evolutionary perspective.
01:29:22.000So God is the voice that says to Abraham, if you follow the call of adventure, you'll be a blessing to yourself.
01:29:34.000Yeah, yeah, yeah, because adventure is compelling.
01:29:39.000Responsible romantic adventure is the most compelling pathway.
01:29:42.000And if it's intense enough, it justifies the suffering.
01:29:46.000It's a reason to get up in the morning, even if you're in pain.
01:29:51.000Then he says, there's another thing that'll happen too, which is that your name will become known among your people for valid reasons.
01:29:59.000So that's that genuine reputation that we talked about.
01:30:03.000So if you follow the pattern of adventure properly, you'll be a blessing to yourself, and your name will become known among your people for valid reasons.
01:30:14.000You'll do this in a way that will maximize the probability that you'll establish something of permanence, or even eternal permanence.
01:30:21.000So Abraham is offered, if he accepts the call and makes the proper sacrifices along the way, God says your descendants will outnumber the stars.
01:30:31.000So he establishes the pattern of fatherhood that best propagates down the generations, which is the same as following the pathway of adventure.
01:30:41.000Then he says, you'll do this in a way that will make sure no one can stand before you.
01:30:46.000So that if you adhere to that adventurous spirit and you propagate it, all enemies will either be converted into friends or flee before you.
01:30:58.000And then you'll do it in a way that brings abundance to everyone.
01:31:01.000So now this is the question I'd ask Brett.
01:31:16.000And that's not the same as looking for infantile satiation or the gratification of our needs.
01:31:22.000It's genuinely this call to expand yourself and to be on the edge and to develop.
01:31:27.000That if you did that, to follow that instinct, then you'd be a blessing to yourself.
01:31:32.000Your name would become known among your people.
01:31:34.000You'd establish something of permanent significance.
01:31:37.000No one could stand before you and it would bring abundance to everyone.
01:31:40.000Right? And then in the Abrahamic story, what happens is that as Abraham accepts that, goes out in the world, and then he has a series of adventures, each of which requires a more complete sacrifice.
01:31:53.000Because as you develop, under the influence of this call, what you're required to do is to live More carefully in accordance with your expanding domain of opportunity.
01:32:30.000Concordance, which has to be there, has to be there, between the spirit that develops us and the pathway that brings maximal benefit to the natural and the social world.
01:32:41.000And I can't see how that can be the case.
01:32:43.000If we're adapted to the world, that has to be the case, right?
01:32:47.000It has to be that if we followed the instinct that would best put us together psychologically, this quest, this adventure, that would also be the spirit that set the world in order.
01:32:58.000And that spirit, that whole thing, that's what's defined as God in that particular story.
01:34:46.000And by work, I mean it doesn't iterate socially.
01:34:49.000It's like if it's all about you and what some whim in you wants now, first of all, that's not going to serve you well tomorrow.
01:34:56.000And I don't want to be anywhere near you.
01:34:57.000Right. Like, you're literally an overgrown two-year-old.
01:35:00.000Right. And that gets pretty ugly by the time you're 40. Right.
01:35:03.000So the whole golden calf thing, no, that's just off the table.
01:35:06.000But isn't it kind of celebrated amongst certain high achievers, particularly in the business world, like that hedonistic, sociopathic drive to constantly get more numbers on the ledger?
01:35:18.000Yeah, well, I don't know if that's exactly hedonism.
01:35:58.000Now you said, don't the achievers, you know, who are stacking up numbers, it's like they found a way forward to attain status, but they fixated on an element that shouldn't be fundamental.
01:36:13.000They're not trying to store up the treasure in heaven.
01:36:17.000They're trying to store up the treasure on earth, and that's better than not doing it.
01:36:21.000See, this is another thing we need to understand, because I've spent a lot of time, for example, trying to figure out why people are attracted to Andrew Tate.
01:36:28.000And I know why they're attracted to Andrew Tate.
01:36:31.000They'd rather be Andrew Tate than an incel.
01:36:38.000Like, if you had to choose between being kind of flabby and unhealthy and resentful and in your basement looking at pornography...
01:36:49.000Hating women because all of them reject you all the time and you deserve it and you're ineffectual and the future looks pretty damn gloomy and then you see Andrew Tate who's tough and hyper-masculine in an almost manner that's almost a parody and wealthy and famous and...
01:37:14.000Apparently has women at his disposal with a fair bit of stress on the idea of disposal.
01:37:20.000You'd think, well, I'd much rather be him than me.
01:37:22.000That's the incorporation of the shadow from the Jungian perspective.
01:40:15.000And I accepted a lot of personality flaws in people that I admired as fighters because they were very successful at doing this one insanely difficult thing.
01:42:40.000Well, then the next thing that happens in the Jungian stage progression is, for a man, it's integration of the anima, which is the feminine part.
01:42:49.000And it's integration, it's not replacement.
01:42:52.000It's like, oh, well, then you discover the utility of empathy and compassion and kindness and mercy and care, while still being able to deal out justice, let's say.
01:43:01.000And so then you bridge that gap, and then that integration you just said, even among fighters, that's what puts them in the highest place.
01:43:46.000But the question is, what's better than monster?
01:43:49.000And so it's very interesting that you made those comments on the fighting side because you wouldn't necessarily think that it would be true in that world as well.
01:43:57.000Well, one of the best examples is your countryman, George St. Pierre.
01:44:52.000So now he's in this land called Midian and he goes there and he chases some ruffians away from a well for these two girls who are drawing water.
01:45:00.000And they go and tell their father and he says to them, bring this young man home to have dinner.
01:45:04.000So he does and then he gets married to them.
01:48:13.000Well, you discipline yourself so you become a shepherd, and then you follow what compels you off the path.
01:48:21.000Then you take it seriously and get to the bottom of it, and then that transforms you.
01:48:26.000And thus transformed, you can face the tyrant, you can specify the promised land properly, and you can lead the slaves across chaos and blood, that's the Red Sea, and then through the desert.
01:48:41.000Right? And so you said, you know, you said two things.
01:48:43.000You said that the good fighters have learned to integrate their civilized side.
01:48:51.000Otherwise, they don't get to be great, and that they continue the pathway of self-improvement, right?
01:48:56.000They continue to pursue what's calling to them.
01:48:59.000That's another definition of God in the Old Testament, by the way.
01:52:33.000Wouldn't you be accepted if you were doing your best?
01:52:36.000So that's a question of conscience, right?
01:52:38.000If you're in extreme misery and your life is hollow and empty and you're bitter and resentful, it's like, you're bringing your best to the table?
01:52:47.000Because the covenant proclaims that if you did, you'd be accepted.
01:54:19.000So imagine, it's pretty obvious that Christ is a symbol of voluntary self-sacrifice.
01:54:25.000It doesn't really come as a shock to anyone.
01:54:28.000But the weird thing is, you know, we put that symbol at the center of our churches and at the centers of our towns for 2,000 years, not really knowing why.
01:54:38.000And the reason is that voluntary self-sacrifice is the foundation of the integrated psyche and the stable, productive, and abundant community.
01:54:54.000Well, it's been exciting to have the opportunity over the last nine months to go talk to people about that, because I've talked to about 150,000 people, I guess, public lectures.
01:55:06.000That, to me, is one of the most fascinating aspects of Christianity, regardless of whether or not you think logically these things took place.
01:55:16.000Logically, these stories are a completely accurate depiction.
01:55:21.000If you follow the principles, it's incredibly beneficial to your spiritual life as a person.
01:55:30.000Well, that's a kind of interesting proof, isn't it?
01:56:16.000And that's always the case with leaders.
01:56:18.000And if they fall prey to the temptation of power, no matter what their accomplishments, they're not going to complete the task.
01:56:25.000And so there's a cool element at the end of that story, too.
01:56:29.000You know, when Moses, just before Moses dies, he picks a scout from each tribe, 12 tribes, and he sends them to Canaan, which is the future.
01:56:39.000That's a good way of thinking about it.
01:56:40.000It's the potential place we could reside where everything was.
02:01:08.000Yeah. What has your journey been like to go from relative obscurity as a professor in Toronto to becoming this person who you are now,
02:01:25.000sort of a worldwide educator outside of the standard system of academia, But also subject to intense international scrutiny, character distortions,
02:01:41.000complete... What they've done to change your position.
02:01:51.000You are probably the most intentionally misrepresented person, I know.
02:03:59.000Because I'm pretty good at getting people to open up to me right away.
02:04:02.000I mean, I learned that as a clinician, you know.
02:04:04.000And to have thousands of people do that, that's pretty rough.
02:04:08.000Now, it was a good thing, like all things considered, because people would tell me how miserable they were, how discouraged, and how sidelined, and often how bitter, how addicted, how imprisoned.
02:04:27.000But that was also, there was a tragic element to that because it didn't take that much, you know, to tap them into the right orientation.
02:04:38.000And so there was sadness in that to see all these people who were demoralized, thousands of them, and then to see how that could be rectified and yet hadn't been.
02:05:24.000And I have security people and they keep an eye on me and all the interactions I have with people are positive.
02:05:30.000And I always take time for people, you know, because, well, if they've been positively impacted by something that I've read or said and they're trying to get their lives together, it's like, how about we encourage that?
02:05:44.000Right? Because more of that would be real good.
02:05:46.000And if we had enough of that, then more of that would be real good and real necessary.
02:08:06.000I felt when I, you know, I've done it back and forth, but when I'm on it strictly, you know, like when I go back to it, one of the things that I notice immediately is I have like an extra gear intellectually.
02:09:20.000I think there's a new list of ingredients that...
02:09:24.000Most of them are banned in Europe and a lot of other places and are legal in America.
02:09:28.000It's insanity and it doesn't make any sense.
02:09:31.000And oftentimes the arguments don't even make sense as to why they continue to produce it because they produce the same products for Canada, for instance, where Canada has better laws when it comes to additives.
02:09:43.000So they produce the ones in Canada where they don't have the negative, dangerous additives.
02:09:50.000And yet they still make this argument that...
02:09:52.000To force them to stop doing that in America will cause great economic harm.
02:09:57.000Well, it's clearly the case that we have an obesity, diabetes, and mental health epidemic.
02:10:04.000And the probability that all of those are associated with insulin resistance and immunological reactions seems to me to be certain.
02:10:13.000And probably herbicides and pesticides as well.
02:10:19.000There's a cascade of differential effects.
02:10:21.000Undoubtedly, some people are more sensitive to those things as well.
02:10:24.000I was watching a documentary that I sent to Jamie about China.
02:10:29.000China innovates at such a level, such a fascinating level, that because they're integrated with the government, which I'm not saying is a good thing, but because of that, sort of unlimited growth, because the growth is designed for the state.
02:11:30.000Different things that people eat along with the rice all in together and they've created you know sort of that like what they've done with regenerative agriculture like white oaks pastures and you know polyface farms and different regenerative agriculture Establishments in America,
02:11:46.000but they're doing it with rice to avoid using herbicides and pesticides and Well, hopefully the new administration under Kennedy will be able to figure out how to prioritize these things so some of them happen.
02:12:00.000My concern, I suppose, it's not my concern, a concern is that they'll try to do too many things at once, you know, and that's why I focused when we talked earlier today about insulin resistance.
02:12:12.000Right, but there's so much to try to change.
02:12:14.000Well, that's it, and you can't change at all.
02:12:17.000There's going to be resistance on all fronts.
02:12:20.000But one person at a time, as you're saying, like when you have this message and you talk to people about things that you've done that have made you healthier, that message resonates and then one person at a time tries that, their friends join in, and the next thing you know,
02:12:37.000A large percentage of healthy people that are listening to you, which is amazing.
02:12:42.000Well, I've seen that again at the shows.
02:12:44.000Like, one of the things that's also changed across the years is that the proportion of people who are in trouble at my shows is decreasing.
02:12:53.000And partly that's because many of the guys who come, generally with their wife and often with a child, have put themselves together.
02:13:04.000Yes. And then they're happy about that and they tell me the story and so that's great.
02:13:09.000Like, there's nothing better than traveling all around the world and having people come up to you and say that they weren't doing so well and that their lives are way better now and thank you.
02:13:24.000Those are my favorite stories that I hear from people that listen to the podcast.
02:13:28.000They're like, I've listened to the podcast, I lost 60 pounds, I started working hard every day, I'm much healthier, I'm drinking a lot of water, I'm taking electrolytes and vitamins, and just my mental health has improved because of the daily exercise, I'm a different person, I'm on the right path.
02:13:42.000Yeah, well, so that's very interesting too, the fact that that's actually, you said those are the best stories that you can hear.
02:14:06.000How about you can wander around anywhere in the world, some isolated field with a castle on it in Serbia, and people that you've never seen will come up to you and say, I was having a pretty...
02:14:19.000Damn dismal time of it, all things considered.
02:14:21.000And I listened to what you wrote and said.
02:14:23.000And in consequence, I put my life together.
02:14:26.000And their wife is standing beside them going, yeah, he's really in a lot better shape.
02:20:10.000You were the one to point to that was going to reinforce these established norms that are not supportive of the minimalized and marginalized communities, right?
02:20:52.000Put you in a defensive position so that you cannot do your best.
02:20:56.000Yeah, well, it's also to pull the rug out from underneath you so you collapse your reputation permanently and that redounds to the person's credit.
02:21:04.000Also, it's to establish a narrative to the audience that's listening to you.
02:21:07.000Now you have to look at this person under this light because I've done so eloquently, described him as his thing.
02:21:13.000And then he will be defensive about that because he doesn't lie.
02:21:17.000And then you look even more like that thing.
02:21:26.000Not only do I not like that, I don't think that's necessary.
02:21:31.000I don't think it's necessary as the person doing it.
02:21:34.000I certainly don't think it's necessary to respond to that.
02:21:37.000I don't think it does anyone any good.
02:21:39.000I don't think it's good for society as a whole.
02:21:43.000And it's definitely not good for exploring ideas.
02:21:46.000I wonder what you do with the psychopaths.
02:21:49.000It's also you're trying to win versus trying to express your perspective.
02:21:57.000With as much clarity and as much thought as possible, you're trying to do your very best to examine these things from a selfless perspective, from a truly objective perspective.
02:22:12.000Well, it's a truly quest perspective, I think.
02:22:23.000Well, I'm genuinely puzzled about this.
02:22:25.000Yes. And I would genuinely like to search for the answer.
02:22:28.000Right. Wouldn't it be ideal if you were having a debate where someone said something that you agreed with and you're like,"Wow, he's got a really good point." And you, instead of refuting that person, exploring that with them, which is one of the reasons I don't like debates per se.
02:22:59.000And you put them out there, and then you can encounter a very unique human being who has a way of describing and thinking about things that will open your mind to new possibilities, which is what we all should strive for.
02:23:19.000Illuminated. To learn from new things.
02:23:22.000But yet, we close those off because that is a point that your enemy is trying to score.
02:23:28.000And you will not give them that point.
02:23:29.000Well, it's also because people aren't really very well versed in how to do this, you know?
02:23:34.000Right. So, one of the huge advantages of your podcast, and of the podcast world in general, I would say, is that you model how to do that.
02:25:01.000No! Well, sometimes it's a problem because you breach subjects that you weren't really prepared to talk about, and you might not have a fully formed idea about it.
02:25:11.000Yeah. You know, you're not, oh, if I thought about that, what would I have said differently, you know?
02:25:16.000Yeah, but you kind of have to find that out along the way.
02:25:25.000How the hell do you know it's there before you reveal it?
02:25:27.000Well, not only that, I don't think the audience truly trusts you unless they feel authenticity in that quest, as it were, that desire to try to understand, like, what is it that you believe and why do you believe what you believe?
02:25:43.000And where did you come to these conclusions?
02:26:41.000It's elevating your status in the conversation as a consequence of abstract victory.
02:26:48.000Instead of increasing your wisdom and enhancing your reputation as a sojourner towards the truth.
02:26:56.000Yes. And it's especially difficult for young people because you don't have enough life experience to have made these mistakes and correct them.
02:27:06.000And learned and grown and have the humility to recognize that process.
02:27:13.000Right. Instead, you see other people that are successful or whatever it is, and you want that right now.
02:27:18.000Yes. And that's wrong, too, because you don't want that right now.
02:27:37.000Right. And, you know, they say when the student is ready, the teacher will come.
02:27:42.000Well, how does that play out in the world?
02:27:45.000Well, if you admit to your ignorance and you ask genuine stupid questions, you will rapidly encounter people who are more than happy to share their wisdom with you.
02:27:58.000Like, people love having mentees, right?
02:28:02.000They like to be able to share their...
02:29:24.000Quite rapidly, especially if the host clones itself, because the host then stays identical physiologically across the generations, so the parasites can optimize to...
02:29:35.000Colonize the host and that's the end of it.
02:29:37.000If you reproduce sexually, you mix your genes up.
02:29:42.000You lose 50% of your specific genetic heritage.
02:29:45.000But the advantage is you stay ahead of the parasites.
02:29:48.000So sex evolved to outwit the parasites.
02:29:51.000And a huge part of what we're seeing around us, and this is probably a consequence at the lowest level, base level, we've had a phenomenal boom in wealth since World War II.
02:30:02.000Phenomenal. We stored wealth everywhere, like in Harvard at a $53 billion endowment.
02:30:10.000Well, the parasites found the wealth everywhere.
02:30:25.000The political, this is a major problem.
02:30:29.000How do you protect yourself against the parasitical exploiters?
02:30:32.000Well, you could recognize parasitical behavior, right?
02:30:35.000When everything gets chalked off to racism and white supremacy, when they start using these pejoratives, they start throwing those around for everything.
02:30:42.000You know, that's one of the ways you recognize.
02:32:09.000You just bloody well wait till you encounter one.
02:32:12.000You'll change your story very rapidly.
02:32:14.000And for the naive and sheltered empaths of the radical left...
02:32:19.000They're either psychopaths, so they're wolves in cheap clothing, or they're people that are so naive that the, what would you say, Red Riding Hood's grandmother can definitely have his way with them.
02:32:32.000Yes, that's literally something that I use as an example in my Netflix special.
02:32:37.000I said, I think there are people that feel like they're trapped in a woman's body.
02:32:42.000And then there's also people that are out of their fucking mind.
02:33:28.000One of the craziest things about it is they've completely abandoned...
02:33:35.000The idea of the pedophile and then the monster and the sexual pervert, then the attacker, the assaulter, the person who, when you give a guy, you say, all you have to do is say you're a woman, now you have access to whatever women's spaces, all the women's spaces, you could victimize them,
02:33:51.000you could fight them, you could beat them in sports, you could dominate them in all games.
02:33:57.000Bizarre. Bizarre that no one's caught on to that.
02:36:45.000Your job as someone who wants to become real is to go into the storehouses of value that have been bequeathed to us by the past and to discover and revitalize the spirit that gave rise to them.
02:39:00.000You don't know what you're talking about.
02:39:02.000I saw this with the anti-Semitism on campus thing when these women were confronted by these statements like death to the Jews on campus and whether or not this is hate speech.
02:39:17.000And I saw it with, I believe it was Josh Howley.
02:39:22.000He was saying some women can give birth and some men can give birth as well.
02:39:51.000They're so embedded in this system that they really believe that they have the kind of control over Congress that they have over their classmates.
02:40:02.000This is like standard behavior for them, mocking and dismissing other ideas that are counter to theirs.
02:40:08.000Right. Well, and there's plenty of reward for that disseminated in the universities.
02:41:52.000Well, people need some sort of an alternative to that system.
02:41:57.000If you recognize what that system is, especially if you're participating in it and you're opposed to all of it and you're trapped in it and it's vital to your success that you accept some of it, how else can you get through?
02:42:12.000How can you get this degree and maintain some level of sovereignty over your mind and your ideas?
02:42:30.000Well, when we did some research trying to see what predicted politically correct authoritarianism, it was the last piece of research I did before my research lab.
02:42:39.000Cease to be a viable entity, let's say.
02:42:45.000So politically correct authoritarianism was that hyper-compassionate leftism, but conjoined with willingness to use force to put the doctrines forward, force and fear.
02:48:13.000That's really uncomfortable for people if they have this idea that's embedded in their consciousness about what's going on to accept that reality.
02:48:37.000So if you want to make your children susceptible to PTSD, like all these kids that are triggered by everything, make them extremely naive and then let them encounter malevolence.
02:48:49.000Right? Because you're supposed to teach them to handle serpents.
02:48:53.000Right? To identify them and handle them.
02:48:55.000And that means they have to learn about the nature of the world and the girls to differentiate between snakes and babies.
02:49:18.000Man, I tell you, those riots that used to gather around me, you know, that was mostly 2017, before I stopped speaking at universities mostly.
02:52:28.000You know, we're trying to do everything.
02:52:31.000100%. And then we're trying to make it as inexpensive as possible.
02:52:35.000Soon we're raising money because we want to translate it into multiple languages, because wouldn't it be lovely to offer that to the developing world?
02:52:42.000Sure. With free market economics instead of Marxist economics, so that people could learn to be entrepreneurs.
02:52:49.000That'd be great for Africa, especially if we could get energy prices down.
02:56:54.000Canadians were accustomed to having everything go pretty well.
02:56:57.000And we could be morally superior to you Americans, because that was also fun.
02:57:00.000And we'll never forego that opportunity.
02:57:03.000And Trump has provided it in spades in the last month.
02:57:06.000So we look at Carney, and we don't pay any attention to politics, and we certainly don't read his goddamn book.
02:57:12.000And so we see someone who looks like a banker from the 1990s, when everything was just fine in Canada, and Canadians were just as rich as Americans, and the whole country was stable and peaceful.
02:57:21.000And we think, well, you know, we kind of made a mistake on Justin.
02:57:24.000Turned out he was a little incompetent, a little narcissistic.
02:57:27.000And maybe we shouldn't have voted for him just because he legalized marijuana, because that's actually what brought him into power the first time.
02:57:34.000But now, look, we've learned, and we're not going to be fooled by narcissistic pretenders.
02:57:40.000And Mark Carney used to be Governor Bank.
02:57:41.000Bank of England, you know, and that's pretty good.
02:57:43.000That's a pretty good resume and it certainly looks like that.
02:57:48.000And yet, he believes that 75% of the fossil fuels in the world should be left in the ground and that there's nothing that should guide your purchasing decision by force other than decarbonization.
02:58:00.000But it seemed to me, at least from an observer from afar, that Pierre was gaining steam and it looked like he was going to win.
02:58:09.000And they seem to have taken the wind right out of his sails.
02:58:28.000Well, they pivoted, brought in Carney, who'd been advising Trudeau.
02:58:34.000Put himself up as an outsider, a competent outsider, a lot of private experience in the private domain, you know, a steady hand at the helm.
02:58:44.000It's like, you were Trudeau's economic advisor for 10 years.
02:58:50.000And there's going to be more of the same under you.
02:58:52.000And now you're pretending to be an industrialist, even though you're one of the leaders, the world's leading authorities on DEI, ESG, and net zero.
02:59:03.000All you have to do is read his book, which people don't, of course, because it's a book.
02:59:07.000The first three chapters will do the trick.
02:59:10.000Either he's decided that every single thing he ever believed was wrong, right to the core, and hasn't apologized or let anyone know that, and now he's actually Mr. Industry, which is how he's presenting himself to Canadians, or he believes what he's always believed.
02:59:28.000Or he's a wolf wearing grandma's dress.
03:00:38.000And I'll give you a little example of Canada.
03:00:41.000So we had the English leadership debate a week ago.
03:00:44.000And the powers that be, who organized the debate, the legacy media types, with CBC radically involved, couldn't figure out how to exclude rebel media.
03:00:54.000You know that right-wing news, kind of tabloidy news group from Canada, Ezra Levant, who's been buzzing about for 10 years, causing trouble like a right-wing tabloid journalist, which is what he is.
03:01:08.000Well, they didn't want him in the press scrum for the leaders after the debate.
03:03:28.000The man who started the Reform Party in Canada, so that was the populist end of the conservative movement 20 years ago, maybe a little longer, eventually reunited with the conservatives, Ernest Manning, or Preston Manning, son of an Alberta premier.
03:03:43.000He was premier of Alberta for like 40 years.
03:03:45.000He wrote an article in the Globe and Mail, which was the, it's the Canadian liberal establishment newspaper.
03:03:51.000And I mean liberal by the classic, you know, old school, small L liberal, centrist sort of newspaper.
03:03:58.000Saying that Manitoba, Alberta, and Saskatchewan should have an immediate constitutional convention immediately on Carney's ascension to the throne.
03:04:08.000Quebec doesn't want pipelines traversing its territory.
03:04:11.000And Quebec, one of the, I don't know if you noticed this, but one of the participants in the debate was a Canadian separatist.
03:04:19.000We literally have a Canadian federal party, federal, localized in Quebec, who's...
03:04:28.000Stated intent is to break up the country.
03:04:31.000Hasn't that always been the case with Quebec, though?
03:08:07.000Young people are flocking back to churches across the West.
03:08:11.000And more to the conservative churches.
03:08:14.000And the only thing we have to buttress us into the future against the Islamists and the Marxists and the nihilists and the hedonists is our return to our core traditions.
03:08:36.000The back has been broken of the climate apocalypse narrative.
03:08:39.000There's plenty of mopping up to do, but half the people know that there's something rotten in the state of Denmark and that that particular apocalypse is probably not worth giving up all your freedoms for.
03:08:53.000We've seen a lot of progress on the ARC front, like a lot of the things that we've been putting forward, the better story, that's a return to the foundations of Western civilization that made our society the sort of...
03:09:08.000A place that dispossessed people will go to voluntarily, right?
03:09:13.000There's lots of people who are starting to understand that that's seriously worth preserving, right?
03:09:19.000Energy executives are waking up, as far as I can see, to the fact that they could help the world's poor in a serious way.
03:09:26.000And if they want to moralize, that would be a...
03:09:49.000And so, and then I would say underneath all that, you know, you said you...
03:09:56.000You're pretty happy to encourage people.
03:09:57.000You're very happy when you hear that your show is being helpful to people.
03:10:03.000There's lots of people who are consciously trying to aim up, and more and more of them all the time.
03:10:08.000And if enough people do that, we won't need to learn through pain, and we can bring abundance everywhere in the world, and we can make the next 50 years.