The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2316

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00:00:12.000 What's going on?

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00:00:15.000 Hello, Joe Rogan.

00:00:15.000 Hello, Cameron Ains.

00:00:17.000 Welcome to the podcast.

00:00:18.000 Thank you.

00:00:18.000 This is my first time trying one of these new energy drinks that Black Rifle came out.

00:00:23.000 Have you tried them?

00:00:23.000 I have.

00:00:24.000 They're legit?

00:00:25.000 Really good.

00:00:25.000 Everything they do is legit.

00:00:26.000 Yeah, really good.

00:00:30.000 Mango.

00:00:31.000 What do you think?

00:00:31.000 So this is the part of the podcast where I try to talk you out of running a 250-mile race with a broken foot, you fucking maniac.

00:00:38.000 We're talking about my book.

00:00:40.000 The whole point of this was undeniable is out.

00:00:45.000 Well, you'll definitely be undeniable if you run 250 miles with a broken foot.

00:00:50.000 Yeah.

00:00:51.000 Why are you doing that?

00:00:52.000 That seems like not a good idea.

00:00:54.000 But what am I, a doctor?

00:00:57.000 Okay, so real talk, let's just, we'll break it down.

00:01:01.000 So if I was a professional athlete in my prime, it would obviously make sense to say, and I need to get surgery, my foot's broke, I can't perform, whatever.

00:01:11.000 But since I'm, we know how old I am, almost 60, it's just like, there's no guarantees.

00:01:17.000 I'm like, if I can fight this off and still whatever, still perform, then I'm going to do that.

00:01:25.000 Wow.

00:01:27.000 I can't afford to play the long game.

00:01:29.000 Can I?

00:01:30.000 Fix your foot.

00:01:32.000 It's like, I don't understand.

00:01:33.000 Like, this is what I've always said with people with jujitsu injuries, because I've had a bunch of surgeries.

00:01:37.000 Yeah.

00:01:37.000 Just fix it.

00:01:38.000 Just do it, because a day will be a week, will be a month, it'll happen so quick.

00:01:43.000 Before you know it'll be six months, you're back in the gym.

00:01:46.000 Just do it.

00:01:47.000 That's what I always tell everybody.

00:01:48.000 Just fix it.

00:01:49.000 Yeah.

00:01:49.000 I just bite the bullet, get the, like, there's certain things, like, certain things I don't think you should get surgery for.

00:01:55.000 Because there's things that you can rehabilitate.

00:01:57.000 And there's sort of an...

00:01:59.000 There's some doctors...

00:02:03.000 I want to be real careful about this because a lot of doctors are very cautious about whether or not they do surgery.

00:02:07.000 But there's some doctors that are just a little too excited to cut people open and stitch them back together again.

00:02:12.000 Well, it's how they make their money.

00:02:13.000 It's how they make their money.

00:02:15.000 And famously, I've talked about it too many times, but for people who haven't heard the story, my doctor told me, for sure, you're going to need shoulder surgery.

00:02:23.000 You're going to have to get shoulder surgery.

00:02:25.000 It's just a matter of when, and if you put it off, it'll probably get worse.

00:02:29.000 I have zero problem with that shoulder now.

00:02:31.000 I got stem cells in it from Roddy McGee in Vegas.

00:02:34.000 You went with me to that place.

00:02:35.000 Went back in six months.

00:02:37.000 He's like, the tear is completely gone.

00:02:38.000 So I could have gone under the knife, and maybe he would have done a great job and fixed it.

00:02:42.000 Apparently he did the Lakers and a bunch of pro athletes and everything like that.

00:02:45.000 But they don't entertain...

00:02:49.000 The possibility that there's other ways to fix things.

00:02:53.000 But when it comes to broken bones and torn ligaments, like if your ligaments, like I have a bunch of friends who have ACL tears, complete ACL tears, no ACL, and they still do jujitsu.

00:03:04.000 I'm like, dude, you're just grinding up your meniscus, the shit that you're going to need for the rest of your life.

00:03:08.000 And take it from me, a 57-year-old man who loves jujitsu.

00:03:11.000 You can't do that.

00:03:13.000 You need that stuff.

00:03:14.000 Like that stuff's going to go away and then it'll be bone on bone.

00:03:16.000 And then you're going to be like...

00:03:18.000 In agony all the time.

00:03:19.000 Yeah.

00:03:20.000 Theoretically.

00:03:21.000 Theoretically.

00:03:22.000 Just get it fixed.

00:03:23.000 I always say, just get it fixed.

00:03:24.000 Get it fixed.

00:03:25.000 Before you know it, it'll be fixed.

00:03:26.000 Yeah, but I keep thinking about it.

00:03:28.000 So if I would have done it, so I broke it last June, but all the things I did from last June to now, I've got accomplished, still got it done.

00:03:38.000 Made it happen.

00:03:38.000 Yeah, it hasn't been that fun.

00:03:39.000 Okay, don't fix it ever.

00:03:40.000 Just live with a broken foot forever.

00:03:42.000 That's retarded.

00:03:42.000 It doesn't make any sense.

00:03:43.000 It makes zero sense.

00:03:45.000 This is reverse psychology, isn't it?

00:03:47.000 Good, yeah.

00:03:48.000 No, don't do it.

00:03:48.000 Good job.

00:03:49.000 Break the other one, too, so it balances out.

00:03:51.000 That's the problem, is that you only have one broken foot.

00:03:53.000 If you just take a hammer to your right foot or your left foot, then you'll have no problems.

00:03:58.000 Well, we'll know.

00:04:00.000 Well, I'm sure you're going to get through it.

00:04:02.000 I'm positive you're going to get through it, but it's just like, why are you doing that to yourself?

00:04:06.000 Next Monday at 5 a.m., 250 miles.

00:04:09.000 Which one is that?

00:04:10.000 What's the race called?

00:04:11.000 On your mark, set, go.

00:04:13.000 Cocodona 250.

00:04:14.000 Where is it?

00:04:15.000 Is it elevation?

00:04:16.000 It's Arizona, so it goes from, I think, Black Canyon City to Flagstaff.

00:04:21.000 Is it flat?

00:04:22.000 The whole way?

00:04:23.000 Or is it...

00:04:23.000 40,000.

00:04:24.000 Oh, 40,000 feet.

00:04:25.000 Nothing.

00:04:26.000 Or maybe 30,000.

00:04:27.000 I don't know.

00:04:28.000 A lot of climbing.

00:04:29.000 Just a tiny amount.

00:04:30.000 Oh, look.

00:04:31.000 Fucking mountains.

00:04:33.000 No, there's lots of mountains.

00:04:35.000 Is that the...

00:04:35.000 Yeah, it's right there.

00:04:36.000 Cocoa Donut 250.

00:04:37.000 Bro, that's so ridiculous.

00:04:39.000 Yeah, it looks beautiful, though.

00:04:40.000 That's so ridiculous.

00:04:41.000 You're going to do that with a broken foot.

00:04:42.000 Yeah.

00:04:43.000 So, after you do that, here's the next logic.

00:04:46.000 Well, if I can do 250 miles, I can make it through elk season.

00:04:49.000 And then, yeah, you're not going to get it fixed.

00:04:51.000 I just did it with a broken foot in elk season.

00:04:53.000 I know, that's what I'm saying.

00:04:55.000 You're not going to fix it.

00:04:56.000 You're not going to fix it.

00:04:57.000 Well, if I get back to a corner and I can't walk...

00:05:01.000 Oh, boy.

00:05:03.000 But then the problem is, what if you've done permanent damage?

00:05:05.000 Like, didn't you say your hamstring's bothering you now?

00:05:06.000 Yeah.

00:05:08.000 This whole leg, but yeah.

00:05:10.000 And you're going to run 250 miles with a fucked up hamstring.

00:05:12.000 Great idea.

00:05:15.000 That's not going to fuck it up worse.

00:05:17.000 Maybe it'll fix it.

00:05:18.000 This is supposed to be a feel-good discussion.

00:05:20.000 I thought friends BSing, right?

00:05:24.000 Everybody has a good time here.

00:05:26.000 The most influential man in the world, Time Magazine, should have been.

00:05:30.000 No, Meghan Markle beat me.

00:05:31.000 God.

00:05:33.000 If it's most influential, there's no debate.

00:05:39.000 Nobody's even in the same category as you.

00:05:41.000 I don't know.

00:05:42.000 I don't think about it.

00:05:43.000 I try not to.

00:05:44.000 It's a little complicated.

00:05:45.000 I'm thinking about it.

00:05:45.000 I really shouldn't be influential.

00:05:48.000 I don't think hard enough about the consequences.

00:05:51.000 Oh, you say that all the time, but man, you have so many good conversations and it's like, it's definitely changed.

00:05:58.000 Here's what's crazy is...

00:06:00.000 You know, mainstream media, with all the money that the advertisers had to pay or whatever, it's like that was their thing.

00:06:06.000 Now, it feels like that money is coming to the podcast realm because of you.

00:06:11.000 I mean, you've shown the power of podcasts, and I think all the podcast hosts are benefiting from that.

00:06:16.000 What do you think?

00:06:16.000 Well, I think we are all benefiting from all of our work.

00:06:19.000 I mean, I don't think it's me.

00:06:21.000 I just have been doing it longer than most.

00:06:24.000 But there's guys like Corolla and a few other guys that have been doing it.

00:06:28.000 Longer than me.

00:06:30.000 Podcasting is just better because there's less people involved.

00:06:35.000 It's really that simple.

00:06:36.000 The problem with stuff like Fox News and CNN is there's too many people involved and too many interests, right?

00:06:41.000 You have the interests of the network.

00:06:43.000 You have the interests of the censors.

00:06:45.000 You have a bunch of people that don't want you talking about certain things or want you talking about certain other things.

00:06:52.000 They want you to push certain narratives.

00:06:54.000 There's too many people.

00:06:55.000 And so it feels curated.

00:06:57.000 And so when you're listening, it doesn't resonate.

00:06:59.000 But when you listen to two people just shoot the shit, you're like, oh, I know what that's like.

00:07:03.000 Like, if someone came over to your house and started talking like a CNN anchor, you'd be like, what the fuck is this guy doing in my house?

00:07:09.000 Get him out of here.

00:07:10.000 I can't relax.

00:07:11.000 We're trying to have a class of one.

00:07:12.000 How would he talk?

00:07:13.000 What we've learned today is that climate change is the most important...

00:07:19.000 You'd be like, oh God, get this guy out of the fucking house.

00:07:21.000 Like, what are you saying?

00:07:22.000 So Douglas Murray is going to come over to my house, it sounds like...

00:07:25.000 Have you ever been?

00:07:28.000 Yeah, I mean, it's just, there's people that are professional talking heads.

00:07:32.000 You know, like, there's people that are professional sportscasters.

00:07:35.000 You know, they talk like a sportscaster voice.

00:07:37.000 Right.

00:07:38.000 Like, Howard Cosell.

00:07:39.000 Radio DJ voice.

00:07:40.000 Yeah, radio DJ voice.

00:07:41.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:07:42.000 Top 40 DJ voice.

00:07:44.000 It's like, they're all the same.

00:07:45.000 Coming up next!

00:07:45.000 All right!

00:07:46.000 You know, like, that kind of weird thing that they do.

00:07:51.000 You're used to it.

00:07:52.000 It sounds professional, but it doesn't resonate with you, so it doesn't seem normal.

00:07:56.000 When you hear people, whether it's you or me or Theo Vaughn or Andrew Schultz or whoever it is that's doing a podcast, they're just people talking, normal people talking to people, and that's what people want.

00:08:08.000 And if a normal person can talk to scientists and say, how does that work?

00:08:14.000 What causes this?

00:08:15.000 What can I do to make this happen?

00:08:18.000 What's the best way to start your day?

00:08:20.000 That kind of shit.

00:08:21.000 Then it makes sense to the people.

00:08:23.000 If you hear some fucking weirdo that's talking in a way that doesn't make any sense and won't bring up certain subjects and has guardrails and won't use certain language, it doesn't make sense to you.

00:08:38.000 So it doesn't work as well.

00:08:40.000 And also, they don't trust those people.

00:08:43.000 Like if I tell you, oh, this Black Rifle coffee drink is good.

00:08:46.000 I'm not lying.

00:08:47.000 I wouldn't lie if I was like, Evan, what the fuck is this?

00:08:50.000 If I drank it, I was like, bro.

00:08:53.000 We would call Evan up right now.

00:08:55.000 We'd call him up on speakerphone until it just mango tastes like ass.

00:08:58.000 You know what I mean?

00:08:59.000 Probably not.

00:08:59.000 But I'd tell him privately.

00:09:02.000 But it wouldn't.

00:09:04.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:09:05.000 I know all their shit is great.

00:09:06.000 Their coffee's great.

00:09:07.000 Everything's great.

00:09:08.000 It's like everything, all the ads we have.

00:09:11.000 I had a call yesterday, one of these conference calls that I have.

00:09:15.000 Where I gotta go, no, no, not that one.

00:09:18.000 No, we can't do that.

00:09:19.000 It was like different ads.

00:09:21.000 Like, what is it?

00:09:22.000 No.

00:09:23.000 No.

00:09:24.000 Like, I just, something that sounds like wrong to me.

00:09:27.000 I'm not interested.

00:09:29.000 I'm not, that might be a scam.

00:09:30.000 This might be horse shit.

00:09:32.000 What's the studies on this?

00:09:34.000 Is it real?

00:09:35.000 Like, what do we, nah, no, no, no.

00:09:37.000 Like, oh, or yes.

00:09:39.000 Oh, yeah, I use that all the time.

00:09:40.000 Let's do that.

00:09:40.000 That's good.

00:09:41.000 That's a solid company.

00:09:42.000 That's this.

00:09:43.000 This is great.

00:09:44.000 Yeah, I wonder if, I don't even know how to word it, but.

00:09:47.000 People are so used to, like, the fake stuff.

00:09:50.000 Like, even if somebody says...

00:09:52.000 If you talk about being transgender and say, oh, well, you know, this boy felt like a girl, whatever.

00:09:57.000 It's like you're almost programmed to be like, oh, hmm, okay.

00:10:03.000 Yeah, you're programmed to not have an opinion about it.

00:10:05.000 Right.

00:10:06.000 Because normally, as guys work...

00:10:10.000 We talk about radio DJ voice or the fake or whatever.

00:10:13.000 That's not how people talk.

00:10:14.000 But guys can be around a certain group of people and there'll be one guy who'd be like, that guy seemed off.

00:10:22.000 Yes.

00:10:22.000 What the fuck's wrong with that guy?

00:10:24.000 Right.

00:10:24.000 So the guy will infiltrate your group.

00:10:26.000 That's like a subtle little thing.

00:10:28.000 That's not like the things we're talking about, like the big things.

00:10:31.000 That's like these guys have this radar and you're just like, who the fuck is this guy?

00:10:36.000 Right, right, right, right.

00:10:37.000 And then you go to the complete other realm where it's so preposterous and we're supposed to be like, oh, OK.

00:10:44.000 I actually heard a psychologist discussing this, and he said that there's an issue with talking about things publicly, especially with social media, because there's so much backlash on social media whenever you hit any hot-button topic.

00:11:01.000 Immigration, politics, anything that's like a real, highly hotly contended topic.

00:11:08.000 People will say things just so they don't get attacked.

00:11:12.000 And they distort their opinions based on how much they think they're going to get attacked.

00:11:19.000 So all that social media stuff is super effective.

00:11:23.000 People attacking people is super effective for people to like, this is how transgender people in sports got through.

00:11:30.000 The only way it got through is because people were calling people bigots.

00:11:34.000 Every parent, every fucking parent who's not a complete psychopath doesn't want their daughter wrestling with some boy who thinks he's a girl.

00:11:44.000 That's crazy.

00:11:46.000 Playing rugby with some boy who thinks he's a girl.

00:11:49.000 That's crazy.

00:11:50.000 Have a six-foot-six, 50-year-old man who identifies as being 17-year-old girl.

00:11:55.000 That's fucking crazy.

00:11:57.000 But you can't say that's crazy or your feed will be bombarded with a bunch of sociopaths attacking you for being transphobic.

00:12:07.000 Or it'll be suppressed.

00:12:07.000 Or Instagram will be like, okay, guess what?

00:12:10.000 We don't like that opinion.

00:12:11.000 Nobody's going to see it.

00:12:12.000 I think Instagram is doing less of that now, allegedly, supposedly.

00:12:16.000 I know X is not interested in that at all.

00:12:19.000 They're not suppressing that shit at all.

00:12:21.000 You can talk all the shit you want about trans people in sports now because the reality is the general population...

00:12:30.000 Look, I don't care what you want to do.

00:12:31.000 If you want to wear a dress, you want to be called Rhonda, go for it.

00:12:34.000 Have fun.

00:12:35.000 I'm a...

00:12:36.000 Freedom person, and I believe America is the land of the free, and that includes doing dumb shit.

00:12:42.000 That includes things that I don't agree with, but don't hurt me or anybody else.

00:12:46.000 Go have fun.

00:12:47.000 But as soon as you start doing things like entering into women's bathrooms, entering into women's locker rooms, and all you have to do is just say you're a guy.

00:13:01.000 Now we're in crazy town.

00:13:03.000 And if I can't say we're in crazy town, that's how all that stuff got through is because Twitter was complete nonsense.

00:13:11.000 It was just a psyop.

00:13:13.000 The whole thing was just a psyop.

00:13:14.000 We all owe Elon Musk a huge debt.

00:13:18.000 When he bought Twitter, he changed the conversations in the country because all of a sudden, people were free.

00:13:24.000 You could say what you want.

00:13:25.000 You were free to say whatever you wanted.

00:13:27.000 Before, you couldn't say anything bad about Biden or the liberals or COVID vaccines or anything.

00:13:36.000 You would be banned.

00:13:37.000 You'd be banned.

00:13:39.000 Yeah, that's, you know, that Elon coming, doing what he's done, has definitely changed the world, right?

00:13:46.000 Without a doubt.

00:13:48.000 How much credit does he deserve?

00:13:49.000 Because he did not have to do that.

00:13:52.000 I mean, he had more money than anybody.

00:13:54.000 Why would he put himself out there like that other than to make a positive change for...

00:13:59.000 Humanity, essentially.

00:14:01.000 Well, in talking with him, both publicly and privately, he was genuinely concerned that we were losing free speech.

00:14:07.000 He was genuinely concerned that it was being hijacked.

00:14:09.000 It was being hijacked under the guise of safety.

00:14:13.000 Safety.

00:14:14.000 Like, we have to protect people.

00:14:15.000 We have to protect marginalized people, like marginalized male perverts who want to wear dresses and pretend that they're a girl and go in the bed.

00:14:23.000 Literally.

00:14:24.000 Right.

00:14:27.000 That's dangerous with that, but it's also dangerous with everything else.

00:14:32.000 It's also dangerous, like, if you're a person who's a progressive person who believes in gay rights or, you know, anything, welfare, universal basic, whatever it is, imagine living in a world where there's no free speech, but the Republicans are in control.

00:14:50.000 Or, like, super religious conservative people are in control.

00:14:56.000 Muslims are in control.

00:14:58.000 Let's imagine...

00:14:59.000 Like, the Muslim population in this country is expanding all the time.

00:15:03.000 They've got Muslim-run cities now.

00:15:05.000 They have call to prayer in certain cities in this country.

00:15:08.000 Imagine that goes everywhere.

00:15:09.000 They're in control of social media, and they institute Sharia law on social media, and they want to throw gay people off the roof.

00:15:16.000 This is where it goes.

00:15:18.000 Like, you've got to leave people the fuck alone.

00:15:20.000 You've got to let them say whatever they want to say, and if you don't agree with them, don't follow them, or make an argument against it.

00:15:25.000 It's really that simple.

00:15:27.000 That's what America's supposed to be.

00:15:28.000 And it wasn't that way for four fucking years.

00:15:31.000 I know.

00:15:31.000 During the Biden administration, the FBI was involved in Twitter.

00:15:36.000 The government intelligence agencies were involved in Twitter.

00:15:40.000 They were telling people to take down true information.

00:15:44.000 And they were getting them to do it.

00:15:46.000 And they were doing it.

00:15:47.000 How crazy is that?

00:15:48.000 Crazy.

00:15:49.000 People should be...

00:15:51.000 Up in arms that that took place.

00:15:53.000 Like the Hunter Biden laptop thing, you should be freaking out.

00:15:57.000 How'd they get 51 former intelligence agents to sign off on something they knew was a lie?

00:16:03.000 That's crazy!

00:16:05.000 They just did it right in front of our face.

00:16:07.000 And no repercussions.

00:16:08.000 Nothing.

00:16:09.000 Nothing.

00:16:10.000 How does that how does it happen?

00:16:12.000 But then also, how is there no repercussions?

00:16:14.000 Well, what's really hilarious now is now they're all getting grilled by even like liberal media is grilling these politicians like, did you know Biden was out of his mind?

00:16:24.000 Right.

00:16:25.000 Like, how did you know?

00:16:26.000 Yeah.

00:16:26.000 Like Elizabeth Warren was like, he was sharp as a tack.

00:16:29.000 Oh, he was getting up for meetings.

00:16:31.000 Never seen him better.

00:16:32.000 I heard that too.

00:16:34.000 Tell Scarborough.

00:16:35.000 He was like, this is the best version of Biden I've ever seen.

00:16:39.000 You should be literally in jail.

00:16:43.000 You're such a liar.

00:16:45.000 You almost like shifted the whole...

00:16:46.000 Imagine if Biden stayed in, they lied about that, and then he's literally like a zombie for four more years.

00:16:51.000 And whoever the hell was running the country for the last four years just continues to run it.

00:16:55.000 And then they just tighten up even further.

00:16:58.000 Could you imagine?

00:16:58.000 Cut down.

00:16:59.000 Mark Andreessen was telling me about D-Bank.

00:17:02.000 I didn't even know existed, where people that had certain political donations and political persuasions, they would take their banking away.

00:17:12.000 They did no crime.

00:17:13.000 They just say, you can't bank here anymore.

00:17:15.000 You gotta go find another bank.

00:17:16.000 And there's only like a few banks.

00:17:19.000 They're all owned by giant mega corporations.

00:17:22.000 Like, what the fuck are you doing?

00:17:24.000 Well, that kind of reminds me of what happened in Canada with the truckers.

00:17:28.000 Yes.

00:17:29.000 I mean, they froze their bank accounts.

00:17:32.000 Or people who donated to them.

00:17:34.000 Yeah.

00:17:35.000 People who donated to them got their bank accounts frozen.

00:17:37.000 How insane.

00:17:39.000 Insane.

00:17:40.000 Insane.

00:17:40.000 And then that same party just won again.

00:17:43.000 Good job, Canada.

00:17:44.000 Oh, my God.

00:17:46.000 If they didn't have good bear hunting.

00:17:48.000 I would never go there.

00:17:50.000 I do have to say, I offered to have that Pierre guy come on the podcast.

00:17:53.000 Really?

00:17:54.000 He didn't do it.

00:17:54.000 Wouldn't do it.

00:17:55.000 Thought it was too problematic.

00:17:57.000 Or whatever.

00:17:58.000 Jordan told me, I forget what he said, but they were telling him not to do it.

00:18:01.000 Like, his advisors were telling him not to do it.

00:18:04.000 Like, hey.

00:18:05.000 Hey, dumbass.

00:18:06.000 If they can't talk to you and have a conversation, hold up.

00:18:09.000 You're not grilling people.

00:18:10.000 You're not attacking people.

00:18:11.000 Of course not.

00:18:12.000 This is like a safe...

00:18:13.000 You know, the friend zone type thing.

00:18:15.000 It's like, no.

00:18:15.000 And I heard you talk about Kamala saying, just want to get to know her.

00:18:19.000 Just want to talk to her.

00:18:20.000 100%.

00:18:21.000 I said, if there's certain things they didn't want to talk about, I don't need to talk about them.

00:18:25.000 I don't care.

00:18:26.000 I'm like, I could talk to you about fucking AI.

00:18:28.000 You've never been the gotcha guy.

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00:19:56.000 I'm not interested in that.

00:19:57.000 No.

00:19:58.000 I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings.

00:19:59.000 If I disagree with someone, I just say I disagree with them.

00:20:03.000 I don't attack people.

00:20:04.000 As I've gotten older and wiser in life, I want less conflict.

00:20:10.000 I mean, sometimes you have to be able to disagree in a way that's forceful.

00:20:15.000 But I don't want...

00:20:17.000 I'm never insulting or attack people.

00:20:20.000 Right.

00:20:20.000 And especially this Pierre Polivet guy, because...

00:20:22.000 I don't know how I say his name.

00:20:24.000 How do you say it?

00:20:25.000 It's a weird way of saying it.

00:20:28.000 I would just ask him questions like, what's wrong?

00:20:31.000 What's wrong with Canada?

00:20:32.000 How did this happen?

00:20:34.000 Why did it go this way?

00:20:35.000 What can be done to reverse some of these things that have been put into place?

00:20:39.000 How did you feel about this?

00:20:41.000 What would you have done differently?

00:20:43.000 Real simple stuff.

00:20:44.000 I don't know anything about Canada's politics.

00:20:47.000 It'd be interesting.

00:20:48.000 I'd love to hear it.

00:20:50.000 It would have been fun.

00:20:52.000 People are just – and this is also why the attacking of people on social media is effective.

00:20:59.000 Like the same thing that keeps people from saying things because they're worried that they're going to be attacked also keeps people from talking to certain people because they're worried about – they're being attacked.

00:21:09.000 They'll try to – like this is one of the things that I felt like Douglas Murray was doing when he was on the podcast was like trying to gatekeep who I have on.

00:21:17.000 Like why would you have this person on?

00:21:21.000 He never even listened to that guy, Daryl Cooper's podcast.

00:21:23.000 I would tell everybody, forget about the politics stuff.

00:21:27.000 Listen to his stuff on Guyana.

00:21:30.000 Listen to his stuff on Jim Jones.

00:21:31.000 The Jim Jones series.

00:21:33.000 And this is an hour.

00:21:35.000 Fucking incredible.

00:21:36.000 Doesn't he do like hours long discussions?

00:21:38.000 Yeah.

00:21:38.000 Fear and Loathing in New Jerusalem is something like 30 hours long.

00:21:42.000 Insane stuff.

00:21:44.000 But he's a really thoughtful person and he delves into all the areas.

00:21:49.000 Let's, you know, look at this from the perspective of the people who were in the cult.

00:21:55.000 Look at it from Jim Jones' perspective.

00:21:57.000 Look at it from the nation of Guyana where he moves there with his fucking cult and kills everybody with Kool-Aid.

00:22:03.000 I think it was Kool-Aid.

00:22:04.000 I think it was like a bargain name.

00:22:06.000 It was like some fake Kool-Aid.

00:22:08.000 Yeah, we don't want Kool-Aid to sue us.

00:22:09.000 People always say drink the Kool-Aid.

00:22:12.000 Google that, because I'm pretty sure it wasn't really Kool-Aid.

00:22:15.000 It was something else.

00:22:16.000 Great crush.

00:22:17.000 Too expensive to kill everybody with top-shelf Kool-Aid.

00:22:20.000 Yeah, it's a lot of sugar you got to put in Kool-Aid.

00:22:22.000 Remember when you used to make Kool-Aid?

00:22:23.000 And it was like, what was it, like a cup of sugar?

00:22:25.000 Oh, yeah.

00:22:26.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:22:27.000 And then you throw the stuff in there.

00:22:29.000 Burt Kreischer drinks that all day long.

00:22:31.000 It was like a 64-ounce jug of Kool-Aid.

00:22:34.000 He was shredded.

00:22:35.000 No, he wasn't.

00:22:36.000 He was more shredded than he is now.

00:22:38.000 Yes.

00:22:39.000 Yeah.

00:22:39.000 But he's real big right now.

00:22:42.000 I was just talking to him the other day.

00:22:43.000 I was like, dude, you gotta do something.

00:22:46.000 Maybe Flavor Aid.

00:22:48.000 Flavor Aid!

00:22:49.000 Might have been from...

00:22:50.000 Cheaper!

00:22:51.000 Yeah.

00:22:52.000 So that was from Costco.

00:22:53.000 Yeah, they got it in bulk.

00:22:55.000 Flavor Aid.

00:22:55.000 There it is.

00:22:56.000 Or Kirkland.

00:22:58.000 Yeah.

00:22:59.000 What does it say?

00:23:00.000 Ho-your-aid?

00:23:02.000 What does it say?

00:23:03.000 Where?

00:23:04.000 What is it?

00:23:04.000 Flay F-L-A-4-A-D.

00:23:07.000 Flavor Aid.

00:23:07.000 Oh, that's an F?

00:23:09.000 Make it larger?

00:23:10.000 Oh, it's blurry.

00:23:11.000 Oh, there it goes.

00:23:12.000 Oh, there it goes.

00:23:13.000 Yeah, Flavor Aid.

00:23:14.000 Okay.

00:23:14.000 Flavor Aid.

00:23:15.000 They killed everybody with Flavor Aid.

00:23:17.000 They're mixing it up.

00:23:18.000 Poison has got to be the fucking worst way to go.

00:23:22.000 Feeling your body just getting destroyed from the inside out.

00:23:26.000 Terrible.

00:23:26.000 For some jackass who's on meth.

00:23:28.000 It's a crazy podcast.

00:23:30.000 But this is my point.

00:23:31.000 What they're trying to do is keep people, keep these heterodox opinions, keep people that are, like, outside of the circle of expertise from talking about things.

00:23:42.000 Even if they've read, like, Daryl Cooper's read, like, hundreds of books.

00:23:45.000 The guy's like a fucking consummate reader.

00:23:48.000 And you might disagree with him about something.

00:23:51.000 That's fine.

00:23:52.000 That should be okay.

00:23:54.000 It should be okay to disagree with people about stuff.

00:23:56.000 Yeah.

00:23:57.000 And also, what is learning?

00:23:59.000 I mean, what is learning?

00:24:00.000 So you said he read, he did all this research.

00:24:03.000 Douglas Murray has a problem with I don't know who, but how is that different than going to school, essentially?

00:24:10.000 Right.

00:24:10.000 I mean...

00:24:11.000 It's no different.

00:24:12.000 It's no different.

00:24:13.000 I mean, there are experts that stop learning the moment they get their degree.

00:24:18.000 And that's real.

00:24:18.000 Yeah.

00:24:19.000 And it's a real problem.

00:24:20.000 It's a real problem in medicine.

00:24:21.000 I had an argument with Brian Callen years ago because his doctor was telling him, you don't need supplements.

00:24:26.000 You just need a balanced diet.

00:24:28.000 That's what his doctor was saying.

00:24:29.000 I go, your doctor looks like shit.

00:24:31.000 Like, what are you talking about?

00:24:32.000 Your doctor's fat.

00:24:33.000 He's got a big pot belly.

00:24:34.000 He's got a big doughy face.

00:24:36.000 He probably can't run around the block.

00:24:38.000 Shut the fuck up.

00:24:38.000 Don't listen to that guy.

00:24:39.000 There's plenty of peer-reviewed papers that talk about the efficacy of vitamins.

00:24:43.000 They're super beneficial for you.

00:24:45.000 This is crazy talk.

00:24:46.000 Yeah.

00:24:47.000 Peel to experts just because you have a degree.

00:24:49.000 You're not always right.

00:24:51.000 You're wrong all the time.

00:24:52.000 Yeah, that was pretty disappointing because I thought Douglas Murray, I liked listening to him.

00:24:57.000 I thought he was super smart, obviously very articulate.

00:25:00.000 But he sounds so good with that accent.

00:25:02.000 But then on that one, I think I told you, or I texted you something about, man, he seemed pompous.

00:25:08.000 For me, it was a loss for him big time.

00:25:12.000 Well, he used tactics.

00:25:14.000 Rather than facts.

00:25:16.000 So the tactic was an appeal to experts like that.

00:25:21.000 And there was also saying that the coverage was imbalanced because I didn't have enough people that were pro-Israel.

00:25:27.000 But then I thought about it afterwards.

00:25:28.000 I'm like, I had quite a few.

00:25:30.000 There was Jordan, Ben Shapiro.

00:25:33.000 There was Coleman Hughes.

00:25:34.000 There's been quite a few people that are pro-Israel.

00:25:39.000 And not even that people are anti-Israel.

00:25:41.000 They just don't want to watch people get blown apart all the time.

00:25:44.000 That seems pretty reasonable.

00:25:46.000 But instead of debating how this is done and what is being done militarily, it all became about, like, who are the experts and what are the things that should be discussed and should it be balanced and do you have an obligation?

00:25:59.000 Like, that's not what we're here for.

00:26:00.000 What we're here for is to get down to business.

00:26:02.000 So what he's doing is, like, putting you on the defensive right away.

00:26:05.000 Right out of the gate.

00:26:06.000 Out of the gate.

00:26:07.000 No, you're perfect.

00:26:10.000 You're perfect.

00:26:12.000 The perfect purpose is to handle that.

00:26:14.000 Because most people, when they start getting attacked, you get defensive, you attack back.

00:26:18.000 It just changes the whole dynamic of the conversation.

00:26:21.000 But you stayed pretty neutral on that.

00:26:24.000 It's a trap.

00:26:25.000 It's a trap.

00:26:26.000 It's like, you know, when someone gets in your face and they start yelling.

00:26:29.000 Your face like, okay, what are we doing?

00:26:31.000 Are we fighting?

00:26:32.000 I could start yelling too.

00:26:35.000 That's usually what happens.

00:26:36.000 Yeah, and then maybe I won't be paying attention to your hands or your shoulder movement or whether or not you're going to hit me.

00:26:42.000 See, that's a tactic.

00:26:43.000 That's a fighting tactic.

00:26:44.000 He had the same tactic, but not for fighting, but for conversation.

00:26:48.000 Yeah, it's a tactic.

00:26:50.000 And then the thing of asking Dave, you've never been.

00:26:53.000 To dismiss, instead of having a debate on the issues.

00:26:59.000 And this idea that expert, like Douglas Murray, I love him dearly.

00:27:02.000 I think he's a brilliant man.

00:27:04.000 He's got a degree in history.

00:27:05.000 Or, excuse me, he's got a degree in English.

00:27:07.000 Bachelor's degree.

00:27:08.000 He's not an expert either.

00:27:09.000 Unless we're talking about Shakespeare, shut the fuck up.

00:27:11.000 Because you're not an expert either.

00:27:13.000 You know what I mean?

00:27:13.000 I don't have a degree in anything.

00:27:15.000 I have zero degrees in anything.

00:27:17.000 But there's certain things that I'm an expert in.

00:27:19.000 You want to talk about martial arts?

00:27:21.000 I'm a martial arts expert.

00:27:22.000 Like, if you disagree with me, you have to be like...

00:27:25.000 In order for me to have a conversation with someone where they disagree with me about Marshall, they have to be so much better.

00:27:32.000 They have to be like Gordon Ryan.

00:27:34.000 But I don't disagree with Gordon on anything.

00:27:37.000 For him, that's a real expert.

00:27:39.000 Again, no degrees.

00:27:40.000 That's a real expert.

00:27:41.000 I would just ask questions like, what do you do in this situation?

00:27:43.000 What's the benefit of this versus that?

00:27:46.000 And so you talk about it.

00:27:48.000 With these political issues, they're so – such a third rail.

00:27:53.000 It's such a fucking dangerous subject that people have like a group that they belong with and then that group will support them if they go out and say these ideas and then the other people have another group and then this person is a representative of one group and they want to duke it out with the – Any reasonable person would look at Gaza and go, this seems kind of excessive.

00:28:15.000 This seems kind of fucking crazy.

00:28:16.000 It seems kind of crazy that 70,000 people or whatever it is are dead, including women and children.

00:28:21.000 This is the only way to do it?

00:28:22.000 Really?

00:28:23.000 Any reasonable person, that doesn't make you anti-Semitic.

00:28:26.000 It doesn't make you anti-Zionist.

00:28:29.000 It doesn't make you anything.

00:28:30.000 It doesn't make you pro-Hamas.

00:28:32.000 It could be pro-human.

00:28:34.000 Human beings.

00:28:35.000 I don't think humans should be murdered.

00:28:38.000 That sounds so reasonable.

00:28:40.000 But the thing is, like, we never got into that.

00:28:43.000 Because the conversation, tactically, he entered into the conversation as, you know, because he doesn't have really a defensible position.

00:28:52.000 It's very hard to say this is the only way to do it.

00:28:55.000 So what do you say?

00:28:56.000 You say, you need better experts.

00:28:57.000 You shouldn't be talking to this person.

00:28:59.000 You should be doing this.

00:29:00.000 You should be doing that.

00:29:01.000 Like, why don't you have this?

00:29:02.000 You've never been there.

00:29:03.000 You should go there.

00:29:04.000 Like, bitch, I am not going there.

00:29:06.000 What the fuck are you talking about?

00:29:07.000 You're not even going to Brazil for another UFC fight.

00:29:10.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:29:11.000 I don't go to Canada.

00:29:14.000 Not traveling out of the country.

00:29:16.000 Yeah.

00:29:18.000 It's not what I'm interested in doing.

00:29:20.000 I don't have to.

00:29:21.000 Well, what's crazy is, so he had that take, but unless you're an expert or educated, you shouldn't be able to share this opinion.

00:29:29.000 Yeah.

00:29:29.000 But he'd had the opposite take before.

00:29:33.000 Oh, yeah.

00:29:33.000 Which is hilarious because somebody put a video up of him arguing with him.

00:29:37.000 Completely opposite.

00:29:39.000 So that, and I asked you about this, not with him, but I asked you, do you think there's like government plans?

00:29:47.000 Because it's like, if somebody, I'm not saying him, I'm just saying just in general.

00:29:50.000 If somebody changes their position so, I don't know.

00:29:55.000 I don't know.

00:29:57.000 It's hard to know.

00:29:58.000 Who got to him and why did this happen?

00:30:02.000 Because then I look around, we talk about the Power of Podcasts, and I see these podcasts, and it's just like, how did this podcast get every guest you could ever want and rise to the top in a heartbeat?

00:30:13.000 When we know how it normally works, it works like you.

00:30:17.000 Decades, right?

00:30:18.000 To get to the top.

00:30:19.000 Then some people, so I'm thinking like, how did this happen?

00:30:23.000 Well, some people are really good, you know, and they can be really good right out of the bat.

00:30:29.000 Right off the bat, they could be, you know, better at it, and then they get a good following, and then once it gets into the top 20 or whatever, then they can get good guests.

00:30:38.000 You know, because when it comes to...

00:30:40.000 But that usually takes time.

00:30:41.000 Sometimes.

00:30:42.000 I mean, I don't know.

00:30:44.000 I mean, I wonder what would happen if I started the podcast today.

00:30:47.000 If there was all the podcasts that were out right now, and I had never done a podcast, and I started it today, and I did it exactly how I'm doing it.

00:30:53.000 How long would it take before it catches on?

00:30:55.000 I don't know.

00:30:56.000 I don't either.

00:30:57.000 I would suck though.

00:30:58.000 That would be a problem.

00:30:59.000 I would suck and everybody would be watching because I sucked when nobody was watching and I got better at it.

00:31:03.000 I figured out how to do it.

00:31:05.000 But as far as like Douglas, I don't know if anybody got to him or whether or not the group that he associates with thinks this way.

00:31:14.000 I don't necessarily...

00:31:16.000 Put everything inside of a grand conspiracy.

00:31:18.000 It might be that he has financial ties towards certain things.

00:31:24.000 He speaks at certain places.

00:31:27.000 He sells certain books.

00:31:29.000 He knows how he's selling them.

00:31:30.000 Or it might be just that's how he thinks about things, too.

00:31:34.000 Sometimes people always think, oh, somebody got to him.

00:31:36.000 Maybe that's just how he thinks.

00:31:38.000 Somebody has to think that way.

00:31:40.000 Otherwise, that wouldn't be an opinion that's out there in the zeitgeist.

00:31:43.000 Normally, people don't.

00:31:45.000 Switch 180 degrees on things, though.

00:31:47.000 Especially like that.

00:31:48.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:31:50.000 That's true.

00:31:50.000 Because if he's educated on things, if he's been around, if he's, you know, this smart, wise person, you form this opinion based on that.

00:32:01.000 You don't go 180 degrees the other way and change the complete opposite take.

00:32:08.000 Right.

00:32:09.000 Unless you've been influenced.

00:32:10.000 It wasn't like you were just a kid and you didn't know, and now all of a sudden you're an adult.

00:32:13.000 It's like, I can't believe I used to say that.

00:32:15.000 He was an adult the whole time.

00:32:17.000 Right, right, right, right.

00:32:18.000 So how?

00:32:19.000 I don't know.

00:32:21.000 You definitely could get suspicious, for sure.

00:32:24.000 I'm very suspicious.

00:32:26.000 But I hear people say that about me, too, which is hilarious.

00:32:28.000 But I said decades.

00:32:29.000 That I have CIA handlers.

00:32:31.000 I've heard all that.

00:32:33.000 Decades, dude.

00:32:33.000 You've been doing this.

00:32:34.000 You're the OG.

00:32:36.000 That's how it works.

00:32:36.000 I'm one of the OGs.

00:32:38.000 I think for sure people do get influenced, but I think people also allow themselves to get influenced because they have a financial interest in keeping a certain opinion because they know that the group that they belong to has that certain opinion.

00:32:53.000 There's that.

00:32:53.000 But the real problem with doing what he did was that it diminishes you publicly.

00:32:58.000 Like if you really want to do that kind of a debate.

00:33:02.000 If you really want to use those kind of tactics rather than a discussion of the issue, like you've never been, like that kind of stuff diminishes you publicly because everybody knows what you're doing.

00:33:13.000 Yeah.

00:33:13.000 Instead of just having a conversation...

00:33:15.000 Does everybody know?

00:33:16.000 Yeah.

00:33:16.000 Okay.

00:33:17.000 Anybody with a...

00:33:20.000 Anybody with an opinion I value knows what you're doing.

00:33:22.000 Because if you understand conversations, you're not really engaging with the ideas.

00:33:28.000 You're deciding whether or not a person should have these ideas.

00:33:32.000 You've never been there?

00:33:34.000 Like, how can you have an opinion?

00:33:36.000 You know, at least you should do the courtesy.

00:33:37.000 Like, now I'm virtuous.

00:33:39.000 I have been.

00:33:40.000 I'm elevated.

00:33:41.000 I'm better than you.

00:33:42.000 You are diminished.

00:33:43.000 You haven't even been there.

00:33:44.000 Your opinion is basically meaningless.

00:33:46.000 You know, and then it gets to this weird place where it's like, who's allowed to talk about what?

00:33:51.000 You know?

00:33:52.000 That's what...

00:33:52.000 It just...

00:33:53.000 The change was so abrupt.

00:33:55.000 It's so opposite.

00:33:56.000 I was just like...

00:33:57.000 Because you could think, if somebody was...

00:34:01.000 Okay, here's an example.

00:34:03.000 I had somebody offer me today, not today, yesterday, if I would wear their hat, $5,000.

00:34:12.000 With the hat and a bunch of dicks on it?

00:34:14.000 No.

00:34:15.000 It was just a brand.

00:34:17.000 So, point is, there's value into doing this.

00:34:23.000 So, if somebody says, well, your voice is this powerful, or you can reach as many people, or this many people listen to you, So if it's a political party or a movement and they have this guy, we'll pay you this much to push this point.

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00:35:51.000 It's possible.

00:35:53.000 It's also possible that he views a guy like Dave Smith as...

00:36:02.000 Dave Smith has incredible recall, and he's very well read.

00:36:06.000 I mean, he's a consummate consumer of information, and he's always reading books on different wars and foreign policy.

00:36:18.000 Like, he's really into it.

00:36:20.000 The way he explains it to me is like...

00:36:22.000 Because I'm always like, your recall's insane.

00:36:24.000 He's like, yeah, but I could talk to you about a fight that happened 10 years ago and you'll tell me exactly how it went down.

00:36:28.000 Like, that's all it is.

00:36:29.000 It's just this is what I'm into.

00:36:31.000 I'm not studying it for any other reason other than I'm fascinated by human conflicts, like global conflicts.

00:36:39.000 And so when a guy like that is rising, you want to try to diminish.

00:36:46.000 His impact if he disagrees with your perspective, like if you see someone.

00:36:51.000 But not everybody would want to diminish that impact.

00:36:54.000 Not everybody.

00:36:55.000 That's a certain type of person.

00:36:56.000 But he's also a certain type of person that kind of existed in both traditional media and alternative media.

00:37:04.000 I mean, he always did my podcast and, you know, he's written some great books like The Strange Death of Europe is very good.

00:37:12.000 Proving to be very accurate.

00:37:14.000 If you look at what's happening with mass migration into Europe, he was calling this a long time ago.

00:37:21.000 And he was being called terrible names, racist, Islamophobic, all these different things.

00:37:27.000 And it turns out he was right.

00:37:28.000 I mean, what Conor McGregor is talking about in Ireland now and a lot of other Irish people are talking about, what people are talking about in the UK, he was right.

00:37:36.000 Like, you're changing your culture, and you're doing it—you're not having people move there that are assimilating and becoming British.

00:37:45.000 You're having people that are coming there and trying to change what being British means.

00:37:49.000 This is all he was saying.

00:37:50.000 And so I agree with him on a lot of things, but I think that's how life is.

00:37:55.000 You agree with people on some things.

00:37:57.000 You disagree with them on other things.

00:37:59.000 And this is supposed to be how most people view— Basically, everything in life.

00:38:08.000 There's going to be things that you agree with.

00:38:10.000 I have a lot of friends that disagree with me on certain things.

00:38:13.000 But that should be fine.

00:38:14.000 That should be normal.

00:38:16.000 But for some people, it's not.

00:38:17.000 For some people, it's not allowed.

00:38:19.000 Because they live in this sort of debate culture.

00:38:22.000 And some people, they do debates.

00:38:24.000 One of the first things they do is they insult the people they're debating with.

00:38:28.000 Ad hominem attacks.

00:38:29.000 And again, trying to get you on the defensive.

00:38:32.000 It's like a tactic of when we talk about mainstream media, like those interview type shows where you only have a certain amount of time.

00:38:38.000 Right.

00:38:39.000 So they have to get right to it.

00:38:41.000 Yeah.

00:38:41.000 Whereas that's not the case with the podcast.

00:38:45.000 Also, I value perspective.

00:38:48.000 I value someone who could look at things and go, yeah, like clearly the devastation is horrible.

00:38:55.000 Clearly.

00:38:55.000 Clearly it's horrible.

00:38:56.000 Clearly there's innocent people.

00:38:58.000 I've seen people say, I don't want to say who.

00:39:01.000 I've seen people say there are no innocent palestines Palestinians in Gaza.

00:39:05.000 I've seen people say that.

00:39:07.000 That's a crazy thing to say.

00:39:09.000 That's a crazy thing to say.

00:39:11.000 Especially in a place that's controlled by essentially a terrorist group.

00:39:17.000 That's a crazy thing to say.

00:39:18.000 What do you think Chicago would look like?

00:39:21.000 How do you think people would behave if Chicago was controlled by a terrorist group?

00:39:26.000 Do you think people would be free to speak out against them?

00:39:29.000 Is that the problem?

00:39:30.000 They're not speaking out against them so they should get bombed?

00:39:32.000 That's crazy.

00:39:33.000 If you have a wife and a child and you're barely getting by, you barely have enough money for food, are you really going to be out in the streets protesting against this fucking terrorist group with machine guns and billions of dollars they've gotten from USAID?

00:39:45.000 Yeah.

00:39:45.000 No, you wouldn't.

00:39:46.000 Absolutely not.

00:39:47.000 You wouldn't.

00:39:47.000 You're not expressing yourself freely, so how do we even know what their opinions are?

00:39:51.000 Yeah, it's true.

00:39:53.000 Yeah, it's just, I mean, all of it, just the changing landscape of media has just, you know, it just gets you thinking about, like, these voices.

00:40:02.000 And, you know, and Douglas brought it up, and that discussion was interesting, but all that I remember from it is, like, how much he changed his perspective.

00:40:12.000 Well, I think he's still a brilliant guy.

00:40:15.000 Yeah.

00:40:16.000 I would still talk to him and listen to him about a lot of things.

00:40:19.000 But I think having conversations like that, communicating with people like that, diminishes your appeal.

00:40:26.000 Or diminishes whether or not...

00:40:29.000 It diminishes the overall impact of your mind on other people.

00:40:36.000 Because I know you think goofy this way.

00:40:39.000 I know you communicate goofy this way.

00:40:43.000 And as soon as I know that, I'm like...

00:40:45.000 Yeah, now I have to put this through this filter now when you say things.

00:40:48.000 I have to go, yeah, but he believes a bunch of goofy shit about that.

00:40:51.000 Which is fine.

00:40:52.000 Which is fine.

00:40:52.000 I'm sure people do that with me too.

00:40:54.000 It's normal.

00:40:55.000 But I think for someone who is a public intellectual, that becomes a problem when everyone who's really paying attention knows you're using tactics rather than actually just debating the issues at hand.

00:41:09.000 Just talking it through.

00:41:11.000 Yeah.

00:41:11.000 But it's like the thing is like, who's talking?

00:41:13.000 Like, come on.

00:41:15.000 Everybody's talking, bitch.

00:41:16.000 The whole world's talking.

00:41:17.000 Let people talk.

00:41:18.000 Yeah, it's a crazy time for sure.

00:41:22.000 You know what I was thinking also?

00:41:24.000 What were you thinking?

00:41:26.000 Did you know I don't have a bowhunting degree?

00:41:28.000 Oh, that's crazy.

00:41:29.000 You should get a degree.

00:41:30.000 Who's giving out degrees?

00:41:31.000 I shouldn't be able to bowhunt, really.

00:41:33.000 Should I?

00:41:33.000 Yeah, you're allowed to bowhunt without a degree.

00:41:35.000 Yeah, because it's a caveman fucking practice.

00:41:40.000 How awesome is bowhunting, though?

00:41:42.000 It's the best.

00:41:43.000 Yeah.

00:41:44.000 Best way to get food.

00:41:45.000 Yeah.

00:41:45.000 There's no better way to get food.

00:41:47.000 Have you been shooting much?

00:41:48.000 Yeah.

00:41:48.000 Shot this morning.

00:41:49.000 Did you?

00:41:50.000 Yeah.

00:41:50.000 Are we going to shoot?

00:41:52.000 I don't know if I have time today, unfortunately, because we spent so much time at Ways to Well.

00:41:56.000 I've got to head home after this.

00:41:58.000 Getting healthy?

00:41:59.000 Yeah.

00:41:59.000 We were getting stem cells today.

00:42:02.000 And what's the mask?

00:42:03.000 The infusion?

00:42:04.000 The lung stuff?

00:42:05.000 Yeah.

00:42:05.000 That was...

00:42:06.000 Well, it's stem cell nebulizer, basically.

00:42:09.000 Yeah, so you breathe it in.

00:42:11.000 So you breathe it in like vape.

00:42:12.000 You're vaping stem cells.

00:42:14.000 Hey, all I know, and I said this when I was there, but I did that last time, and then I ran a five-mile race.

00:42:22.000 It was 8K, but my fastest five miles I've ever run.

00:42:25.000 Really?

00:42:26.000 With a broken foot?

00:42:27.000 Yeah, at 57. So it's like, I don't know what it, if it didn't hurt, it didn't hurt me, obviously.

00:42:34.000 Well, they've done...

00:42:36.000 So many amazing things with me that I'm, you know, when they say something is really great, you should try it.

00:42:41.000 I'm like, okay.

00:42:42.000 So I put the mask on.

00:42:43.000 I'm sitting there with you.

00:42:44.000 We're talking about Rocky Marciano.

00:42:47.000 I got into these.

00:42:50.000 Old videos on YouTube of fighters training and I got into this one video that I sent you about Rocky Marciano and how insane his training was and It was seven days a week.

00:43:03.000 He would spar sometimes 30 40 rounds in a day He would run 10 miles in the morning and then five more miles at night And then he would swim two miles in the lake.

00:43:14.000 He would swim across the lake and then back And then he would get up in the morning and do it all over again, and he never took days off.

00:43:23.000 No, and another thing, he was focused on recovery and sleep.

00:43:27.000 He would be in bed at 9, I think I said, every night, and get his sleep in, but work so hard.

00:43:33.000 And why do we love stories like that?

00:43:36.000 Because you know how hard it is to do.

00:43:38.000 Yeah.

00:43:39.000 But it's...

00:43:41.000 It's impossible.

00:43:42.000 I mean, it's possible, but it's impossible for most.

00:43:45.000 It's like it requires a mind that is just fortified through will and discipline to this strange hardness that's just different than everybody else's.

00:43:57.000 Well, but why would...

00:44:00.000 Okay, so he retired at 49 and 0. Yeah.

00:44:03.000 Heavyweight.

00:44:04.000 Everybody knows him in fighting.

00:44:06.000 Maybe not everybody in the world, obviously.

00:44:08.000 Died a while ago.

00:44:09.000 By the way, small heavyweight.

00:44:10.000 We're talking about that, too.

00:44:11.000 I think in his prime, he was 190 pounds or 189 pounds.

00:44:16.000 Something crazy.

00:44:17.000 What did Rocky Marciano weigh while he was fighting?

00:44:19.000 I think he was 5 '10", and he weighed like 189 pounds, which is insane.

00:44:23.000 Yeah.

00:44:25.000 188.

00:44:26.000 That's so crazy, dude.

00:44:27.000 So he weighed 12 pounds less than me.

00:44:30.000 Think about that.

00:44:32.000 5 '10 and a quarter.

00:44:33.000 He weighs 12. He's two inches taller than me and a little more.

00:44:36.000 And then he weighs 12 pounds less.

00:44:38.000 Did he fight Joe Lewis and Sonny Lester?

00:44:40.000 No, no, no, no.

00:44:42.000 He fought Joe Lewis when Joe Lewis was way past his prime and flatlined him.

00:44:47.000 It was pretty brutal.

00:44:48.000 It was a scary fight.

00:44:51.000 That's so crazy that he was only...

00:44:54.000 188 pounds, and he was the heavyweight champion.

00:44:56.000 Granted, this is a different world.

00:44:58.000 Yeah, different era, for sure.

00:44:59.000 Different era.

00:45:00.000 There was no Tyson Fury.

00:45:01.000 There was no Mike Tyson either.

00:45:03.000 Right.

00:45:03.000 Everybody talks about Rocky Marciano.

00:45:05.000 Rocky Marciano's great.

00:45:06.000 Mike Tyson would have went through him like a fucking train through a flock of sheep.

00:45:11.000 Yeah.

00:45:11.000 It's a different world.

00:45:13.000 Rocky Marciano, at his heaviest, he weighed 192.

00:45:15.000 Okay.

00:45:16.000 He fought seven boxers who weighed more than 200 pounds.

00:45:18.000 But people weren't that big back then.

00:45:20.000 Right.

00:45:20.000 Sonny Liston was.

00:45:21.000 Sonny Liston was big.

00:45:22.000 Yeah, so he would...

00:45:23.000 He's been 20 pounds bigger than Rocky Marciano.

00:45:26.000 Yes.

00:45:28.000 But Mike Tyson wasn't that big when he was in his prime.

00:45:31.000 When he was in his prime, he was like 215, 220, you know, and 5 '10 or 5 '11 as well.

00:45:36.000 He wasn't very big.

00:45:37.000 He was born in 69. Did I see that right?

00:45:41.000 No, no, no.

00:45:41.000 I think that's when he died.

00:45:43.000 Oh, he died.

00:45:43.000 Okay.

00:45:44.000 Let's just say he can't be younger than us.

00:45:47.000 No, no, no, no, no.

00:45:48.000 He was a heavyweight champion in the 1950s.

00:45:50.000 All right, never mind.

00:45:51.000 I do feel old, but it's not that old.

00:45:53.000 Find Rocky Marciano KO's Joe Louis.

00:45:58.000 It was brutal.

00:45:59.000 Because, you know, back then, when you were 38 or whatever Joe Louis was when they fought, you were really 38. No nutrition.

00:46:08.000 Also, lifetime of fighting.

00:46:10.000 Probably needed the money, which is why he took the fight.

00:46:13.000 It's not like the Joe Louis that knocked out Max Schmeling in the height of the war and was like, America's hero.

00:46:19.000 This is Joe Louis when he's on his balding.

00:46:23.000 He's got a big bald spot in the back.

00:46:24.000 He's like, it's sad.

00:46:25.000 And Rocky Marciano just mulled.

00:46:28.000 That's what's crazy about.

00:46:30.000 How did George Foreman reinvent himself when he was old?

00:46:34.000 The thing is, like, one thing that you did see in this fight was the technical brilliance of Joe Louis, especially early in the fight.

00:46:41.000 Like, if they had fought in their prime, I think Louis would have fucked him up.

00:46:45.000 That's my belief.

00:46:47.000 He's a lot bigger.

00:46:48.000 He was taller, but he also had incredible power.

00:46:53.000 How old was...

00:46:54.000 Well, we'll ask after we watch this video.

00:46:56.000 But he was doing really well for a while.

00:46:58.000 But the thing about Marciano was, he was not the most talented, but he did not get fucking tired, and he hit like a truck.

00:47:04.000 He hit like a truck, and he was just a fucking animal.

00:47:08.000 He just plowed forward.

00:47:10.000 He never ran out of gas.

00:47:12.000 This is not a technically skilled boxing match.

00:47:16.000 He would just maul guys.

00:47:18.000 Just bob and weave, and this is the end of it.

00:47:20.000 At the end, Joe Louis goes through the ropes.

00:47:22.000 It's sad, man.

00:47:23.000 It's sad.

00:47:24.000 Yeah.

00:47:25.000 It's sad.

00:47:27.000 How old was Joe Louis when he fought Rocky Marciano?

00:47:31.000 That's a sad scene.

00:47:32.000 He looked pretty good, though, up until Rocky started catching him.

00:47:36.000 But this is how a lot of Rocky's fights would go.

00:47:39.000 Even his last fight, which was against...

00:47:44.000 Was it against Archie Moore, I think?

00:47:47.000 He got dropped in that fight and just got up and just eventually pounded him and beat him down and KO'd him.

00:47:53.000 Yeah.

00:47:54.000 But he was just so fucking tough.

00:47:57.000 Like, what he would do to himself was nothing compared to whatever was going to happen inside that ring.

00:48:02.000 Right.

00:48:02.000 So that was going to be my point.

00:48:04.000 So he had all the success, retired, undefeated.

00:48:09.000 Pretty young, too.

00:48:10.000 People knew.

00:48:11.000 He was 30. 37. 37!

00:48:14.000 Okay, that's how old Poetan is right now.

00:48:16.000 Okay, that's how old Alex Pereira is right now.

00:48:19.000 Right.

00:48:19.000 That's crazy.

00:48:20.000 So 37 back then was like, it was over.

00:48:23.000 Oh yeah, so much older.

00:48:26.000 But yeah, so when you look at Rocky's success, why even seeing that, and there's fighters out there, why wouldn't they emulate his style, his training, if that's what you do, and you want the same type of success, Why are you letting somebody outwork you?

00:48:44.000 Yeah, it's not that simple.

00:48:46.000 It's like, first of all, you're not as exposed to people like that unless you train with them.

00:48:51.000 They didn't know he was doing that.

00:48:52.000 There's no YouTube videos.

00:48:53.000 You might hear things.

00:48:55.000 But if you hear things like, I heard Rocky's training seven days a week, 24 hours a day.

00:49:00.000 He don't sleep.

00:49:01.000 He only eats raw meat.

00:49:03.000 You hear stories like that.

00:49:04.000 That was Mickey.

00:49:05.000 That was Rocky's training.

00:49:11.000 You would hear exaggerations.

00:49:13.000 You'll always hear exaggerations that come out of fight gyms.

00:49:16.000 But I would want to believe those if I was a fighter.

00:49:19.000 Didn't Tyson used to say that?

00:49:21.000 That's why he got up at 5 in the morning or 4 in the morning?

00:49:23.000 Yes.

00:49:23.000 Well, Tyson did train like that.

00:49:25.000 You know who else trained like that forever?

00:49:27.000 Marvin Hagler.

00:49:28.000 Oh, I thought you were going to say Floyd.

00:49:30.000 Marvin Hagler trained like a fucking warrior.

00:49:33.000 He used to train on the sand dunes in the Cape of Cape Cod.

00:49:40.000 In the middle of the winter.

00:49:41.000 And he would just be running, screaming war.

00:49:45.000 Love that.

00:49:46.000 War!

00:49:46.000 Just throwing punches.

00:49:48.000 He would run in combat boots.

00:49:49.000 He was an animal.

00:49:51.000 He was an animal.

00:49:52.000 Just Spartan.

00:49:53.000 He would go to this Provincetown Inn.

00:49:56.000 No fucking phones.

00:49:57.000 He would tell his wife and family, "I'm gone." I don't exist.

00:50:00.000 I'm gone.

00:50:01.000 For two months, it would just vanish.

00:50:03.000 And every day would be the same thing.

00:50:05.000 And he would spar a lot.

00:50:07.000 Hagler was sparring a hundred rounds a week.

00:50:10.000 So he was sparring 20 rounds a day for five days in a row.

00:50:17.000 And he would bring in fresh sparring partners, too.

00:50:19.000 It's not like one guy he's beaten up for 20 rounds.

00:50:22.000 No, he'd bring in, he would rotate.

00:50:25.000 Five different sparring partners.

00:50:27.000 So they would all come in and do four rounds each.

00:50:29.000 Didn't Khabib do that too, kind of?

00:50:30.000 Perhaps.

00:50:31.000 I don't know.

00:50:32.000 I mean, I don't know exactly.

00:50:34.000 Khabib had unbelievably grueling training sessions.

00:50:38.000 And, you know, that was one of the things that was so apparent, like, with his endurance and their discipline was like...

00:50:47.000 Second to none.

00:50:48.000 They were like, no girlfriends, no phones, no bullshit, no video games.

00:50:52.000 Fuck you, we train.

00:50:53.000 And, you know, recover, train.

00:50:55.000 Eat, recover, train.

00:50:57.000 And you want to really be a champion?

00:50:59.000 This is how you have to work.

00:51:01.000 And this is how Islam Makhachev is so good.

00:51:04.000 That's why Khabib is so good.

00:51:05.000 Those guys are disciplined.

00:51:07.000 So, if I think about it...

00:51:09.000 You know, we love stories like that.

00:51:12.000 We love all the sparring, but it's not going to lead to a long life.

00:51:16.000 No.

00:51:17.000 I mean, but is that the price to be a Rocky Marciano or a Khabib who has to retire at whatever he was, 32 or whatever?

00:51:26.000 It's like, is that what it takes?

00:51:28.000 It probably does.

00:51:30.000 To be legends?

00:51:31.000 Yeah, you give up something to get something.

00:51:33.000 You give up life.

00:51:34.000 Yeah, I don't think you can be completely balanced to be and be the best ever.

00:51:39.000 But, you know, it depends on how you're doing it, you know?

00:51:43.000 Like, the thing that's so brilliant about Floyd Mayweather is that if you look at his career, he might have been really hit hard four or five times in his whole career, which is insanity.

00:51:54.000 I mean, he really is only right.

00:51:56.000 That's Heigler.

00:51:57.000 In the snow, screaming war.

00:52:01.000 It was the best.

00:52:04.000 Yeah, but so why do we love stories like this?

00:52:07.000 Well, for me, when I was a kid, Hagler was the man.

00:52:11.000 You know, when I was in high school.

00:52:12.000 But we still love them now.

00:52:14.000 Yeah.

00:52:15.000 I love, like, that clip you sent me yesterday.

00:52:17.000 Oh, yeah.

00:52:17.000 Or this.

00:52:18.000 I loved it.

00:52:18.000 This clip is the same YouTube website.

00:52:21.000 It's Boxing Life, is that the YouTube channel?

00:52:23.000 It's a really good channel.

00:52:25.000 But Hagler's discipline was just, it was so admirable.

00:52:29.000 Like, he didn't have to go to fucking Cape Cod in the middle of the winter.

00:52:33.000 Right.

00:52:33.000 He did it because he wanted to be separated.

00:52:35.000 He wanted to live a Spartan life.

00:52:36.000 Look, he would run backwards.

00:52:38.000 Yeah.

00:52:38.000 Throwing punches.

00:52:40.000 I think that's either Goody or Pat.

00:52:43.000 The Petronelli brothers were the guys who trained him.

00:52:46.000 But this is his workout.

00:52:47.000 Six mile run, steep hills, running backwards, breakfast, rest, watch TV, film, late lunch, boxing, training, strength and conditioning, dinner, watch film and sleep, repeat, rinse, do it again, day after day after day.

00:53:01.000 That's it.

00:53:02.000 I don't see too much chill out in there.

00:53:05.000 My favorite fight with him was against John the Beast Mugabe.

00:53:08.000 Because everybody points to the Hearns fight where he beat the shit out of Hearns and KO'd him.

00:53:12.000 Incredible.

00:53:13.000 Incredible knockout, for sure.

00:53:14.000 One of the best boxing matches.

00:53:16.000 One of the best, most entertaining...

00:53:18.000 Entertaining world championship fights of all time.

00:53:20.000 But for me, it was Mugabe.

00:53:22.000 Because Mugabe was uniquely talented.

00:53:26.000 Mugabe had insane power.

00:53:28.000 I remember I was at a boxing gym in Massachusetts at the time Mugabe was about to fight Hagler.

00:53:35.000 When Mugabe was coming up.

00:53:37.000 And they were telling me stories about Mugabe fighting guys and they never fought again.

00:53:41.000 They had brain damage.

00:53:42.000 You know, I don't know how...

00:53:43.000 Again, boxing gym talk, it's hard to know.

00:53:46.000 Yeah.

00:53:46.000 But I remember being a kid listening to this going, "What the fuck?" Like, he hit that hard.

00:53:52.000 Mugabe just was flattening people.

00:53:55.000 See if you can find John Mugabe.

00:53:58.000 Who did he KO?

00:53:59.000 Did he KO Terry Norris?

00:54:01.000 No, that was later.

00:54:02.000 Who did John Mugabe fight that he knocked out?

00:54:05.000 Best KOs.

00:54:07.000 Let's see.

00:54:08.000 Pull up John Mugabe's record.

00:54:10.000 So John Mugabe was like almost kind of...

00:54:12.000 Okay, here.

00:54:12.000 Top John Mugabe greatest knockouts.

00:54:14.000 He was almost like a Francis Ngannou guy where it's like his power was just so crazy.

00:54:20.000 You would watch him hit people and you'd go, what the fuck, man?

00:54:23.000 Oh, this is Julian Jackson, right?

00:54:26.000 Is that who it is?

00:54:28.000 I'm pretty sure he KO'd Julian Jackson.

00:54:30.000 Maybe that was Terry Norris.

00:54:31.000 No, Julian Jackson KO'd Terry Norris.

00:54:33.000 But, you know, he just had...

00:54:36.000 Just extraordinary power.

00:54:38.000 Are they showing the KOs here?

00:54:40.000 This is just a lot of boxing.

00:54:42.000 Here it is.

00:54:43.000 Here he goes.

00:54:46.000 Yeah, bro.

00:54:48.000 He just had this one-punch knockout power.

00:54:52.000 And when he fought Hagler, man, he caught Hagler with some big shots.

00:54:58.000 And one of the more impressive things about Marvin was not just that he was such a big puncher and a great boxer, but also...

00:55:04.000 How durable he was because he was in such incredible shape.

00:55:08.000 You know, he never went down his entire career.

00:55:10.000 He has one knockdown and it was 100% bullshit.

00:55:14.000 He fought this guy named Juan Roldan.

00:55:16.000 And when Hagler was bending over, Juan Roldan kind of cuffed him in the back of the neck and he fell forward.

00:55:21.000 And they called it a knockdown.

00:55:23.000 It was not a knockdown.

00:55:24.000 And most boxing experts, I would actually argue that all boxing experts agree that that was not a real knockdown.

00:55:31.000 So you're talking about a guy who fought Tommy Hearn.

00:55:34.000 Did you see that last one?

00:55:35.000 Yeah, it was a little illegal.

00:55:37.000 A little on the knee.

00:55:38.000 One knee down, he KOs him.

00:55:41.000 But the point is, Mugabe was terrifying.

00:55:44.000 And he was fucking everybody up.

00:55:45.000 And Hagler broke him.

00:55:47.000 But in the beginning, it was rough.

00:55:49.000 In the beginning, it was rough.

00:55:50.000 Mugabe was landing some big shots.

00:55:52.000 See if you can find Mugabe.

00:55:53.000 Well, I know it's available.

00:55:55.000 Mugabe versus Hagler.

00:55:56.000 It was mean, too, man.

00:55:58.000 Like, hitting guys where they were down.

00:56:00.000 Dangerous, dangerous guy.

00:56:01.000 And I don't know if he fought again after Hagler KO'd him, but he was never in the conversation again.

00:56:07.000 Hagler broke him.

00:56:08.000 Hagler told him he was going to retire him.

00:56:10.000 He's like, I'm going to retire him.

00:56:11.000 He's never going to box again.

00:56:12.000 And he just beat him down.

00:56:14.000 And I think it was the 11th round when he finally stopped him.

00:56:19.000 5 '8 and 5 '9.

00:56:20.000 Yeah, 160.

00:56:22.000 You know, that's about right.

00:56:23.000 You know, generally speaking for, you know, heavily muscled guys, especially back then, those guys were not cutting a lot of weight like they are today.

00:56:29.000 Right.

00:56:30.000 Like some of these guys today are cutting big weight.

00:56:33.000 Oh, God, Hagler looks good, doesn't he?

00:56:34.000 Yeah, by the time the eighth round started happening, Hagler...

00:56:37.000 One of the things about Hagler that was so good was...

00:56:40.000 Hagler could switch so he could fight you Southpaw and then in the middle of nowhere he would switch up and start fighting you Orthodox and was just as good.

00:56:48.000 Just as good.

00:56:49.000 The only guy who's like that is Terence Crawford who's champion now.

00:56:52.000 He's the only guy that I've ever seen that fights just as good from Southpaw as from Orthodox.

00:56:59.000 Hagler was a rarity back then.

00:57:01.000 A guy that could switch it up like that.

00:57:02.000 Nobody had ever seen that before.

00:57:05.000 But that's also why it was very difficult for him to get fights early on because nobody really wanted to fight a southpaw.

00:57:11.000 Like, southpaws were too awkward.

00:57:14.000 Everything's backwards.

00:57:15.000 And if you're not used to fighting southpaws, they have an advantage because they're always fighting Orthodox people.

00:57:21.000 Right.

00:57:21.000 That makes sense.

00:57:22.000 Yeah, and so they're accustomed to that one look.

00:57:25.000 Now, this fight had gone back and forth and back and forth.

00:57:28.000 This is the end.

00:57:29.000 This is when Hagler finally gets them.

00:57:31.000 Boom.

00:57:32.000 And that was it.

00:57:33.000 And I think that was the 11th or the 12th round.

00:57:36.000 I think it was the 11th round of a 12-round fight.

00:57:39.000 So Hagler fought in the era where they used to have 15-round fights and they turned them into 12-rounders after Dukku Kim died when Ray Mancini KO'd Dukku Kim.

00:57:48.000 Yeah, it's a lot of damage.

00:57:49.000 15 rounds of headshots.

00:57:51.000 Yeah, man.

00:57:52.000 I think that's why Rocky Marciona retired when he was 32. 49-0 and 32 years old.

00:57:59.000 He could have kept fighting.

00:58:00.000 He could have kept making money.

00:58:01.000 32 is your athletic prime.

00:58:03.000 That's what I'm thinking.

00:58:05.000 Khabib did the same thing.

00:58:06.000 I just love seeing those training camp videos carrying the rocks and running the mountains.

00:58:14.000 Back to my point, why do we love that?

00:58:17.000 Just because it's so primal?

00:58:19.000 It's just...

00:58:20.000 Just men just giving everything they have.

00:58:24.000 It's one reason why Goggins is such a draw.

00:58:30.000 He's sort of like that.

00:58:32.000 Oh, he's very much like that.

00:58:33.000 But the craziest thing about Goggins is he's not even training for anything.

00:58:37.000 I asked him about it.

00:58:38.000 He goes, I'm downloading, downloading information.

00:58:41.000 I'm like, you're downloading?

00:58:42.000 What are you downloading?

00:58:43.000 This is so crazy.

00:58:44.000 We were talking about the video that Stylebender just put out.

00:58:48.000 Shout out to Stylebender for putting this out, too.

00:58:50.000 We were also giving him credit because David broke him.

00:58:55.000 The higher we go.

00:58:56.000 Because if they're hurting me, you're hurting me.

00:58:59.000 You are willing to go to another level.

00:59:01.000 You're not high?

00:59:02.000 Yeah.

00:59:02.000 That's even quicker.

00:59:04.000 Come off the AC.

00:59:05.000 Up.

00:59:06.000 It's off.

00:59:07.000 Where your world ends, mine begins.

00:59:13.000 And this is one of Goggins' multiple workouts of the day that he took Stylebender through.

00:59:19.000 Stylebender's off the...

00:59:21.000 Yeah, and he's...

00:59:22.000 They're helping him back up.

00:59:24.000 By the way, this is after they already ran.

00:59:26.000 This is the third thing they did.

00:59:29.000 They ran, then they did the Airdyne bike, and then they're doing this.

00:59:33.000 So they already did sprints on the Airdyne bike, they ran.

00:59:37.000 I don't know how many miles they ran, but he was exhausted after the run, then exhausted after the airdyne, and then he does this, and then they do it all over again.

00:59:45.000 They start again with the fucking airdyne machine.

00:59:48.000 They go back and forth, and then it goes to sit-ups, and then it goes to...

00:59:50.000 It never ends.

00:59:53.000 And then people go, he's not doing that every day.

00:59:55.000 Well, fucking clearly he is.

00:59:57.000 Every day.

00:59:58.000 Clearly he is, because look at him.

00:59:59.000 He's not even breathing heavy.

01:00:01.000 Stylebender is dying, and David Goggins is talking to him with normal...

01:00:06.000 At the same time, a world champion, one of the greatest middleweights of all time, can't even keep his food down.

01:00:15.000 And remember, this is Stylebender, who against Kevin Gaslam, was saying, I'm prepared to die.

01:00:21.000 Going into the fifth round, looks across the ring, cage, says, I'm prepared to die.

01:00:26.000 Same guy.

01:00:27.000 Same guy, yeah.

01:00:28.000 There's levels.

01:00:30.000 When it comes to endurance.

01:00:31.000 You know, and I was telling you about when we were getting our infusions, when we were vaping stem cells today, I was telling you about BJ Penn when he was in his prime.

01:00:40.000 When BJ Penn was in his prime, he was training with Marv Marinovich.

01:00:45.000 And Marv Marinovich had very unorthodox training methods where it was all plyometrics, explosive drills, sprints, box jumps, all this crazy stuff.

01:00:56.000 And he believed, and I hope I'm not quoting him incorrectly, But he believed that fight training was of secondary importance when you're in camp.

01:01:03.000 And really what was important is to just have a fucking insane gas tank.

01:01:08.000 Like, BJ Penn knows how to fight.

01:01:09.000 He's a world champion.

01:01:10.000 He's not going to forget how to fight.

01:01:12.000 But you could get him training this way where you have this gas tank that's just insane.

01:01:19.000 And when BJ Penn was training with him, he was unstoppable, man.

01:01:23.000 He was like...

01:01:25.000 I always say this, like, people talk about Khabib being the greatest lightweight of all time, and maybe he is.

01:01:30.000 It's very possible he is.

01:01:31.000 But I would put the BJ Penn that fought Joe Daddy Stevenson, the BJ Penn that fought Sean Shirk, the BJ Penn that was, like, in that peak when he was training with them.

01:01:43.000 I would put him against anybody.

01:01:45.000 Against anybody.

01:01:46.000 Against when he fought Diego Sanchez.

01:01:48.000 He couldn't be stopped.

01:01:49.000 And if you got him to the ground, his fucking submission game was insane.

01:01:52.000 It was insane off of his back.

01:01:54.000 He would take your back.

01:01:55.000 You're dead.

01:01:56.000 He would knock you out standing up.

01:01:57.000 His kickboxing was elite.

01:01:59.000 How do you think Khabib would fight him?

01:02:01.000 Take him down, for sure.

01:02:03.000 He'd probably fight him the same way George St. Pierre did.

01:02:05.000 But the difference in size between B.J. Penn and George St. Pierre is pretty significant.

01:02:11.000 B.J. Penn was really a 155-pound guy who actually later in his career fought 145.

01:02:17.000 Later.

01:02:18.000 Which was...

01:02:19.000 You know, when he was kind of at the end of his career.

01:02:22.000 But, you know, George is way bigger.

01:02:26.000 Like, George was a big 170.

01:02:28.000 Big, muscular 170 with great wrestling.

01:02:30.000 Wide shoulders.

01:02:31.000 Nasty ground and pound and a black belt in jiu-jitsu himself.

01:02:34.000 And also a really good striker.

01:02:35.000 And just, you know, in his prime when he was so well-rounded.

01:02:40.000 Yeah.

01:02:40.000 And there was also accusations of greasing.

01:02:43.000 You know, because, you know, George was very slippery in that fight.

01:02:47.000 Which is, if you're a grappler, another person, you can't get a hold of him.

01:02:51.000 Especially if you're a guy like BJ, who fights so well off of his back.

01:02:54.000 BJ's legs were like arms, where he could be sitting there without using his hands.

01:02:59.000 He could put his feet in the lotus position.

01:03:02.000 So, like, completely cross and lock his legs in the lotus position without using his hands at all.

01:03:08.000 Whoa.

01:03:08.000 Yeah.

01:03:09.000 Crazy flexibility and dexterity.

01:03:11.000 Yeah.

01:03:11.000 So if you were trapped in his guard, you were fucked.

01:03:14.000 Yeah, you see those guys who they're on their back and they get their leg up around...

01:03:20.000 The guy with the top position's head somehow.

01:03:24.000 When you're in Eddie Bravo's guard, it's terrifying.

01:03:27.000 Eddie Bravo has the craziest guard I've ever been in.

01:03:29.000 It's so nuts.

01:03:30.000 And there's a bunch of Eddie students like Jeremiah Vance who also have these insane guards like that.

01:03:35.000 There's certain guys where if they're on their back, it's no picnic.

01:03:38.000 Like Fabricio Verdum, he tapped Fedor Emelianenko from his back.

01:03:43.000 He got him in an armbar triangle from his back.

01:03:45.000 Yeah.

01:03:46.000 Well, you could tell if we talk about a recent fight.

01:03:49.000 Chandler vs.

01:03:50.000 Paddy Pimblitt Chandler didn't really want to be on the ground with Paddy and Chandler's a wrestler like he loves being on top ground but still he had top position and was still nervous About doing stuff, it seemed like.

01:04:03.000 I don't know.

01:04:04.000 Yes.

01:04:04.000 Well, Paddy's big.

01:04:06.000 Paddy's a big lightweight.

01:04:07.000 He really is.

01:04:08.000 I mean, I know he gets real fat in between fights.

01:04:10.000 He gets a kick out of it.

01:04:11.000 But he's big.

01:04:12.000 Yeah.

01:04:13.000 He's big.

01:04:14.000 You know, he's a lot bigger than people think.

01:04:16.000 I always say that he tricks people by dancing and having silly hair.

01:04:20.000 And you go, oh, that's a killer.

01:04:22.000 He's like tricking you.

01:04:23.000 He's like, you know, he's like one of them bugs that pretends it's a stick when you get close and he jacks you.

01:04:29.000 Yeah, he looked...

01:04:31.000 He looks so good.

01:04:32.000 He's really good.

01:04:33.000 I love Chandler.

01:04:36.000 Love Chandler.

01:04:37.000 That was a tough one to watch.

01:04:39.000 I love Chandler as well, but I love Patty as well.

01:04:41.000 Patty is very impressive.

01:04:43.000 Oh, yeah.

01:04:44.000 There's a good argument that the last three guys he fought, Bobby Green, Chandler, and Tony Ferguson, he's fighting guys with losing records, which is true.

01:04:55.000 That is true.

01:04:56.000 But it's still very impressive.

01:04:59.000 What he did...

01:05:00.000 To Chandler in comparison to like what Olivera did.

01:05:04.000 Like Olivera was in real trouble in the third round of their last fight.

01:05:07.000 Real trouble.

01:05:08.000 And real trouble in the first round of their first fight.

01:05:11.000 And Patty was never in trouble.

01:05:13.000 Chandler was this close to having that belt.

01:05:15.000 Yes.

01:05:15.000 This close in the first round.

01:05:17.000 This close.

01:05:18.000 Yeah.

01:05:18.000 And maybe just got...

01:05:20.000 Yeah, sure.

01:05:21.000 Thank you.

01:05:21.000 Maybe just got a little overzealous in that fight.

01:05:24.000 Yeah, he was excited.

01:05:25.000 I mean...

01:05:25.000 In the second round.

01:05:26.000 Who wouldn't be?

01:05:27.000 Yeah.

01:05:28.000 But also, Oliveira is a master.

01:05:30.000 Oh, yeah.

01:05:30.000 He's so good.

01:05:31.000 Well, his fight against, I think, Armand, right?

01:05:34.000 Mm-hmm.

01:05:35.000 Was so...

01:05:36.000 So good.

01:05:37.000 I was watching those guys fight, and I'm just like, I've never seen two guys this crisp, good, technical.

01:05:44.000 Just never out of position, hardly.

01:05:46.000 And Charles almost caught him twice in two very close submission attempts.

01:05:50.000 It looked like he was out at one time.

01:05:51.000 He wasn't moving.

01:05:52.000 Well, he was pretty locked in, but he wasn't out, but it was very close.

01:05:57.000 I think he should have won that fight.

01:05:59.000 In my opinion, those positions where Charles had, where you were that close to finishing a fight, count for a lot.

01:06:06.000 And I think that's part of the problem with the scoring system.

01:06:09.000 It's one thing if you go for a guillotine, the guy gets out of it immediately, you're on your back.

01:06:13.000 Getting beat up.

01:06:14.000 That submission attempt, that's not that much.

01:06:16.000 When a guy has a fully locked in Darce choke and you're almost out and you get saved by the bell, that should count for a lot.

01:06:23.000 What's the best position for a Darce?

01:06:26.000 Because they were both kind of flat on the ground.

01:06:28.000 Yeah, there's a bunch of different ways you can catch a darse, but the way a darse works is, like, say if you have an underhook, which means your left arm is wrapped around my waist.

01:06:36.000 What I want to do is shove my arm under your armpit so it pops out the side of your neck.

01:06:44.000 Then I want to wrap my bicep around like this, so I lock my arm around one side of your neck and this, and then I'm squeezing.

01:06:52.000 So that's Tony Ferguson.

01:06:53.000 He had a nasty, nasty darse.

01:06:57.000 Tony's darts was elite because Tony has long.

01:07:01.000 You see him catching it standing up there.

01:07:02.000 Yeah.

01:07:03.000 Tony has long arms and he's strong as fuck.

01:07:06.000 And he's got like a great grappling base because he started off as a wrestler.

01:07:11.000 Charles is up on top.

01:07:14.000 Right there.

01:07:15.000 Yeah.

01:07:16.000 Because that's what I was saying.

01:07:16.000 They're kind of laying both flat.

01:07:18.000 I just didn't know what was best.

01:07:20.000 Well, that's not ideal.

01:07:22.000 Ideal is when you get the guy on his back and then you could lock like the Dustin Poirier one where Islam has him.

01:07:31.000 See how Dustin in the lower right-hand corner?

01:07:34.000 Yeah, that's it right there.

01:07:35.000 So that's him against...

01:07:38.000 Go a little higher there.

01:07:41.000 That's Renato Moicano.

01:07:43.000 But one of the things you see about Islam, he's a very unique way of doing the dars, is Islam grabs his own wrist like this to finish it, whereas other guys go all the way down to the bicep.

01:07:55.000 And the thing about grabbing the wrist like that that's really good is you can make it a little bit tighter in a situation where you can't...

01:08:04.000 Like some guys, they have too much bulk and maybe your arms are too short.

01:08:08.000 You can't get the...

01:08:09.000 Like having long arms is really important for a darse.

01:08:12.000 Like John Jones must have a wicked darse.

01:08:14.000 Because you can get the arms all the way through if they're long, then you can cinch it up.

01:08:18.000 But Islam cinches it up actually by grabbing a hold of his wrist.

01:08:22.000 And so it gives you extra space and the grip that he uses is incredibly tight.

01:08:28.000 He's also insanely strong.

01:08:32.000 Who is?

01:08:33.000 Islam.

01:08:33.000 Islam is insanely strong.

01:08:35.000 He's got that sort of elite grappling strength that comes from decades of throwing human bodies around.

01:08:43.000 There's a thing about that.

01:08:45.000 Like here, Demetrius Johnson says, I felt it, I know.

01:08:48.000 Fucking Max Holloway just texted me.

01:08:50.000 How strong is that Darce?

01:08:53.000 That's a sick Darce.

01:08:55.000 Islam is elite.

01:08:56.000 He's elite when it comes to like strangling people.

01:09:00.000 So is Ilya Teporia.

01:09:01.000 He's got a nasty Darce too.

01:09:03.000 Aren't they fighting?

01:09:03.000 I don't know.

01:09:05.000 Oh, that never got signed?

01:09:07.000 The word is, and this is only from the internet, this is not from Dana.

01:09:12.000 And if he told me, he'd probably tell me not to tell anybody, so I won't tell you.

01:09:16.000 But the word on the internet is that Ilya plans to fight in the June card, the big International Fight Week card at the end of June.

01:09:24.000 Whether or not it's for the title, he said he's only fighting for the title.

01:09:29.000 That's what he said.

01:09:29.000 Unless he said Conor McGregor.

01:09:31.000 He said, I'd fight Conor McGregor.

01:09:32.000 Or the title.

01:09:33.000 I think he'd just fight Conor McGregor because he knows the numbers would be fucking insane.

01:09:38.000 Millions of dollars.

01:09:39.000 How...

01:09:41.000 But it doesn't mean he's fighting Islam because Islam might decide I'm gonna go up to 170.

01:09:46.000 Here's what could happen because Islam's been talking about fighting 170.

01:09:50.000 If Bilal Muhammad, who's the current welterweight champion, who's gonna fight Jack Della Maddalena, which is only in like a couple of weeks, right?

01:09:59.000 When is that?

01:10:00.000 When is that one?

01:10:01.000 Yeah, that's coming up.

01:10:03.000 They might hold that announcement.

01:10:05.000 Until that fight.

01:10:06.000 So Islam and Bilal were training partners.

01:10:10.000 And apparently Khabib does not want Islam to fight Bilal.

01:10:13.000 But if Bilal loses to Jack Della Maddalena, then it's a no-brainer.

01:10:19.000 Why doesn't he not want him to fight him?

01:10:22.000 Next Saturday?

01:10:23.000 Not this, but next.

01:10:24.000 May 10th, yeah.

01:10:25.000 So it's real soon.

01:10:26.000 So all that we'd have to do is hold off their announcement until May.

01:10:30.000 I see.

01:10:31.000 So if Balal wins, then there's an issue.

01:10:34.000 Because Khabib does not want Islam, allegedly, apparently.

01:10:38.000 Doesn't want him fighting because they're brothers, you know, they train together.

01:10:41.000 Oh, okay.

01:10:41.000 Oh, I see.

01:10:42.000 But Islam's big.

01:10:44.000 I mean, he easily could be fighting at 170.

01:10:46.000 It's probably torture for him to get down to 155.

01:10:49.000 Whenever I interview him, I'm like, how are you, 155?

01:10:52.000 This is so crazy.

01:10:53.000 That would show rough weight cuts for him, it seems like.

01:10:56.000 It's rough.

01:10:57.000 He's big.

01:10:57.000 He's probably 190 plus.

01:11:00.000 Look at that.

01:11:01.000 Boom.

01:11:02.000 Oh yeah, Islam says I'm going to submit you with that because that's your thing.

01:11:05.000 Islam says, or excuse me, Ilya says that he's going to submit Islam with whatever his favorite move is.

01:11:11.000 He's like, tell me your favorite choke.

01:11:12.000 Tell me your favorite submission.

01:11:13.000 That's what I'm going to submit you with.

01:11:17.000 It's easy to say.

01:11:19.000 That's an elite level and a lot bigger.

01:11:23.000 Yeah, I was going to ask, how hard is it or who is the next star?

01:11:32.000 We kind of saw this with Ronda when she was coming out of the women's division.

01:11:36.000 It's like, who is the next star going to be?

01:11:38.000 Connor.

01:11:39.000 Still, people are trying to call Connor out because they know of that money that's involved with it.

01:11:45.000 How do we get that next superstar?

01:11:48.000 Well, they have to win.

01:11:50.000 Sugar Sean O'Malley could have had it if he beat Marab.

01:11:55.000 But that was a nightmare matchup, and he had a fucked up hip going into that fight, which is...

01:12:00.000 It's one of those things, the UFC was putting on this big show at the Sphere, which was insane.

01:12:06.000 By the way, if they ever do one again, you gotta go.

01:12:08.000 Yeah, I'd love to.

01:12:09.000 The fucking Sphere's crazy.

01:12:10.000 Yeah, I remember watching it.

01:12:12.000 It's so crazy.

01:12:13.000 It's like a total experience in and into itself.

01:12:15.000 I need to go to a concert there.

01:12:17.000 It's the most amazing venue I've ever seen in my life, and there's not even a close second.

01:12:22.000 Like, nothing's close.

01:12:23.000 There's a really cool one in L.A. that just opened up, that we did an L.A. card there a few months back.

01:12:29.000 That was really good, too.

01:12:30.000 But it's like one-tenth of the Sphere.

01:12:33.000 The Sphere's nuts.

01:12:34.000 Yeah.

01:12:35.000 It's so nuts.

01:12:36.000 It looked insane on TV.

01:12:38.000 And the sound.

01:12:39.000 The sound.

01:12:40.000 You feel it through your fucking bones.

01:12:42.000 It's wild.

01:12:44.000 That was like last May 5th, wasn't it?

01:12:46.000 I believe so.

01:12:47.000 Yeah.

01:12:48.000 Cinco de Mayo.

01:12:48.000 So for him to take that fight with a bad hip is crazy.

01:12:52.000 And I know he did it because he thought he could win anyway because he's a champion and that's how champions think.

01:12:59.000 Yeah, you have to.

01:13:01.000 But with a bad hip when you're fighting a wrestler and you weren't wrestling at all and training because your hip's bad, that's crazy.

01:13:07.000 That's like you got to get it fixed.

01:13:09.000 Just get it fixed.

01:13:10.000 Tell him it blew out and you can't walk.

01:13:13.000 Get it fixed.

01:13:13.000 You got to think...

01:13:15.000 About the legacy and the future.

01:13:18.000 And taking a fight against a guy who's an elite grappler while you have a blown hip is kind of insane.

01:13:24.000 If you can't grapple.

01:13:26.000 It seems insane.

01:13:27.000 Yeah.

01:13:28.000 But he could have won.

01:13:29.000 I think it's that mindset you just have to have.

01:13:31.000 It kind of can get you in trouble, too.

01:13:33.000 And you look at how good his takedown...

01:13:35.000 Defense was against Aljamain Sterling.

01:13:37.000 So Aljamain Sterling in the first round tried to take Sean down.

01:13:40.000 He could not take him down.

01:13:41.000 And that was a big factor.

01:13:43.000 Like, Aljamain was in trouble.

01:13:44.000 Because if you can't take him down, and Sean is a fucking sniper.

01:13:48.000 He's a sniper.

01:13:50.000 And he knows how to find that chin, man.

01:13:52.000 He's got a pull right hand that's, like, from the textbooks.

01:13:56.000 And the one he would hit Aljamain with, that's going to be in that UFC.

01:14:01.000 When they play The Who, when they play Bob O 'Reilly, that'll be on that forever.

01:14:06.000 That is such a clean right hand.

01:14:08.000 It's such a pullback.

01:14:10.000 Boom.

01:14:11.000 And Al Jermaine saw it coming.

01:14:14.000 You can see his face.

01:14:15.000 Yeah, he's like, oh no!

01:14:16.000 What have I done?

01:14:17.000 I know.

01:14:18.000 And I bet he thought he could do that to Merab too, and he might have been able to, but Merab is a different species of human.

01:14:25.000 Again, same kind of guy.

01:14:27.000 I know.

01:14:27.000 Same kind of guy.

01:14:28.000 So listen.

01:14:31.000 We've been kind of dealing with this with my kids and Truett and all this stuff he's been doing, but I think those fighters we're talking about, it just made me think of my kids, but when you start them as kids, like the guys like Khabib, Dagestani guys, Marab, those guys have been training forever, right?

01:14:55.000 Yep, for sure.

01:14:56.000 Forever.

01:14:56.000 Yeah.

01:14:57.000 For sure.

01:14:57.000 That has to give you...

01:14:59.000 Yeah, you have to have other abilities and talents and skills and this mindset.

01:15:03.000 But when you start that early...

01:15:05.000 By the way, Rocky Marciano didn't start boxing until he was 23. Okay.

01:15:11.000 Well, there goes my theory.

01:15:13.000 And you know, he had one of his amateur fights.

01:15:16.000 He was exhausted.

01:15:17.000 So he vowed to never be exhausted again.

01:15:21.000 He gassed out in a fight.

01:15:22.000 He's like, never again.

01:15:23.000 So he just decided he was good.

01:15:25.000 But it's also like...

01:15:26.000 He was Italian from immigrant parents who barely could speak English.

01:15:32.000 And those people who came over on the boat, they were a different species.

01:15:37.000 They're a different species of hard workers.

01:15:39.000 Those people were...

01:15:41.000 And they demanded so much.

01:15:43.000 Joey Diaz, immigrant mentality.

01:15:45.000 Immigrant mentality, cocksucker!

01:15:47.000 Yeah, I mean, that's real.

01:15:49.000 Immigrant mentality's a real thing.

01:15:50.000 When you've come here from another country, and you see how hard your family works, and there's just, like, there's no ifs, ands, or buts.

01:15:58.000 I always tell this story about this guy that I used to train with that always used to make me feel lazy.

01:16:02.000 My friend Junkzik.

01:16:03.000 He was in his residency in medical school while he was on the U.S. national team.

01:16:09.000 So he was a national Taekwondo champion while he was going to medical school.

01:16:14.000 So he was going to school 12 hours a day and still training.

01:16:18.000 And he would put his books in his backpack and run stairs in between studying.

01:16:22.000 That's how he'd get in shape sometimes.

01:16:24.000 And then he would come to the gym exhausted and fuck everybody up.

01:16:27.000 He was amazing.

01:16:28.000 And I remember thinking, like, I'm so lazy.

01:16:33.000 And I wasn't lazy!

01:16:35.000 But compared to that dude, I was lazy.

01:16:39.000 I just, that's what fascinates me, because, you know, I've talked to Huberman about Courtney in this regard, too.

01:16:45.000 It's like, willpower.

01:16:46.000 Yeah.

01:16:47.000 Like, how, what gives somebody more willpower than another person?

01:16:54.000 It's hard to say, because according to Goggins, he forged that, and he has more will than any human being that's ever walked the face of the planet.

01:17:01.000 And he used to be a lazy fuck.

01:17:02.000 He'll tell you.

01:17:03.000 He'll tell you, I was lazy, I was fat, I was 300 pounds, I drank milkshakes all day.

01:17:07.000 Like, he'll tell you.

01:17:09.000 And then he decided that that's not him anymore.

01:17:12.000 And then he decided it better than anybody who ever has.

01:17:14.000 So it's not like he had some genetic gift of will.

01:17:19.000 That's not the case.

01:17:20.000 He forged it.

01:17:21.000 And this, you know, Huberman talks about this, whatever that part of your brain.

01:17:26.000 Yeah, that you can grow.

01:17:27.000 So is it that, that anybody can develop this willpower?

01:17:30.000 Well, I think Goggins proves that because he's, again, he's the goat.

01:17:34.000 He's the goat when it comes to, like, Will.

01:17:36.000 And people don't know what Goggins was doing with Izzy.

01:17:39.000 Goggins has two destroyed knees.

01:17:42.000 I had dinner with him in Vegas a few weeks back and he showed me some recent x-rays of his knees because he got some fucking new thing in his knee to keep his bones from fucking smashing into each other.

01:17:56.000 Some post that they put at the top of one of his knees because his cartilage is missing and his fucking meniscus is blown out and they sawed the top of his bone and shifted it down and screwed it in place because his knee was all out of a...

01:18:08.000 Because he had been running bone-on-bone so long that his bones were starting to...

01:18:15.000 It's like called wolf-something syndrome.

01:18:17.000 And his doctor said, "I've never seen it in a human being before." This is fucking insane.

01:18:22.000 Like, how are you walking on these knees?

01:18:24.000 Forget about running thousands of miles.

01:18:27.000 Yeah.

01:18:28.000 But he does it.

01:18:29.000 He just does it, right?

01:18:30.000 And if that guy will tell you that he didn't have any willpower and that he was fat and lazy and then decided...

01:18:37.000 That he's not going to be that anymore.

01:18:39.000 And then put himself through grueling strength conditioning.

01:18:42.000 Became a Navy SEAL.

01:18:44.000 Yeah.

01:18:44.000 And then...

01:18:45.000 Look at him.

01:18:48.000 He's laughing.

01:18:52.000 Let's see how much of a joke this is.

01:18:53.000 And guess what?

01:18:55.000 I do out this alone.

01:18:56.000 Alone.

01:18:57.000 I ain't got nobody.

01:18:58.000 That's where this shit comes from.

01:18:59.000 I ain't got nobody to push to this level.

01:19:01.000 That's my darkness.

01:19:02.000 That's why I laugh at these motherfuckers.

01:19:03.000 You think they fucking know me?

01:19:04.000 You think you know me coming to my dungeon?

01:19:07.000 It's a lonely dungeon because you don't want to do this shit alone.

01:19:09.000 Every day?

01:19:10.000 Trading this world by yourself?

01:19:12.000 Come on, man.

01:19:12.000 And this is it.

01:19:13.000 You see me breathing heavy?

01:19:14.000 Imagine the level I go to.

01:19:19.000 Somebody call the police.

01:19:22.000 Good joke, Jamie.

01:19:23.000 I mean, how do you not admire that?

01:19:26.000 Look, he is psycho.

01:19:27.000 I love it.

01:19:28.000 He is psycho.

01:19:29.000 I love it.

01:19:30.000 He is psycho.

01:19:31.000 I said, we joke around about, you know, because he says it's so easy to be great nowadays because everybody else is weak.

01:19:38.000 That's what Dawkins says, right?

01:19:39.000 Interesting.

01:19:40.000 And it's like, when you talk about...

01:19:43.000 We talk about generations, and you've mentioned it a million times, good times, create soft, all that whole thing.

01:19:49.000 But I said, well, we got one.

01:19:50.000 We got Truett.

01:19:51.000 So we got one kid who's still getting it done.

01:19:55.000 Well, your son learned from you.

01:19:57.000 I mean, that's a great example of, you know, he grew up in an environment where his father was regularly running these 100-mile races.

01:20:06.000 Regularly running 13 miles in the morning before work.

01:20:09.000 You were doing all that stuff, and you were setting an example.

01:20:12.000 I was going to show you something, too.

01:20:14.000 And then he sees how far it takes you in life.

01:20:17.000 You've gotten here by just force of will.

01:20:21.000 Yeah, and Truist sent me this today.

01:20:24.000 So this is his first half marathon.

01:20:25.000 Can you see that?

01:20:27.000 Oh, wow.

01:20:27.000 He's a little kid.

01:20:29.000 Wow.

01:20:29.000 But he still ran eight-minute miles in that.

01:20:33.000 That's incredible.

01:20:33.000 As a little kid.

01:20:35.000 But anyway, that's what I was saying about when you start that early with stuff like that.

01:20:41.000 You get used to it.

01:20:42.000 But then again, Goggins will tell you different.

01:20:47.000 Or Rocky Marciano will tell you different.

01:20:50.000 I don't think there's a hard, fast rule.

01:20:52.000 Look at that.

01:20:53.000 Look at you guys.

01:20:54.000 That was his first marathon there.

01:20:56.000 That's so cute.

01:20:58.000 There's no hard, fast rules.

01:21:00.000 Like, yes, it's definitely beneficial.

01:21:02.000 As far as skill development, this is what I've always said about striking in particular.

01:21:07.000 There's something about learning striking while your body is maturing and you're young is way better.

01:21:15.000 Than learning striking once you're an adult.

01:21:18.000 Because you said that with your kick.

01:21:20.000 Yeah.

01:21:21.000 Because your body was changing as you developed that kick and mastered it.

01:21:25.000 Exactly.

01:21:25.000 I was kicking in all kicks.

01:21:28.000 It's not like that's the only one that I'm really elite at.

01:21:31.000 I learned how to kick when I was a little gangly little kid.

01:21:36.000 And I learned that my body grew strong.

01:21:40.000 My tendons grew strong from hitting this 150-pound heavy bag every day.

01:21:45.000 As a little kid.

01:21:47.000 Just whap!

01:21:48.000 Whap!

01:21:49.000 Whap!

01:21:49.000 And I basically lived in the gym.

01:21:51.000 So I was kicking that bag hours every day.

01:21:53.000 I was just constantly setting it up in training.

01:21:55.000 I was constantly setting up moves until I got them where it's instinctive.

01:22:00.000 I didn't even know it was happening before it happened.

01:22:02.000 When I was in a fight, it would just come out.

01:22:04.000 When you see the opening, you're not even seeing it.

01:22:06.000 You're just moving.

01:22:07.000 It's like it all goes into this instinct.

01:22:10.000 And the only way it happens is just insane hours.

01:22:13.000 Insane hours.

01:22:15.000 Constant dedication.

01:22:17.000 But as your body was growing and you're putting the stressors on it and those movements on it, your body adapted essentially.

01:22:25.000 So it's like if you're already mature, your body wouldn't have adapted the same as it did because you're doing it at the perfect age.

01:22:33.000 You can get really good if you're a really good athlete and you pick up striking later in life.

01:22:37.000 But you're not going to get Floyd Mayweather good.

01:22:39.000 I don't think.

01:22:40.000 I've never seen it.

01:22:41.000 Rocky Marciano even wasn't Floyd Mayweather.

01:22:44.000 He was just a mauler.

01:22:46.000 He would just...

01:22:47.000 And he would never stop.

01:22:51.000 Couldn't hurt him.

01:22:51.000 He couldn't hurt him.

01:22:52.000 His endurance was insane.

01:22:53.000 The volume was insane.

01:22:55.000 He would just make guys rethink their whole lives.

01:22:58.000 Because he'd be like, what the fuck, man?

01:23:00.000 Fuck that guy.

01:23:01.000 That guy's out there?

01:23:02.000 I don't want that.

01:23:03.000 He just never stopped.

01:23:06.000 But he wasn't...

01:23:07.000 Floyd was a master.

01:23:10.000 He was a master in there.

01:23:11.000 He would stand right in front of you, and you couldn't hit him.

01:23:14.000 He stood right in front of Canelo Alvarez, and Canelo couldn't do shit with him.

01:23:18.000 And Canelo Alvarez, a world champion, one of the best ever, he couldn't do shit with Floyd.

01:23:24.000 Yeah, I mean, do you think that would be less intimidating, fighting somebody like that because he didn't have that power, like the knockout power?

01:23:32.000 And he also had brittle hands.

01:23:33.000 Like, Floyd's broken his hands multiple times.

01:23:35.000 You knew you weren't just going to get...

01:23:38.000 Mauled.

01:23:38.000 You wouldn't get Mugabied.

01:23:39.000 Right.

01:23:40.000 You're not going to be able to hit him, and it's going to suck.

01:23:43.000 It'll be frustrating.

01:23:45.000 But...

01:23:45.000 But he doesn't hit like Hagler.

01:23:46.000 You're not going to be able to pool blood.

01:23:47.000 Right, right, right.

01:23:48.000 He's not going to beat you down and stop you.

01:23:50.000 The thing about Hagler was, Hagler didn't mind getting hit because his chin was iron.

01:23:56.000 He didn't mind, and he wanted to smile at you when you hit him.

01:23:58.000 One of the things he said about Mugabe after the fight, they said, it seemed like Mugabe caught you with a big shot.

01:24:03.000 He goes, oh yeah, I like when that stuff happens.

01:24:05.000 I like a good fight.

01:24:06.000 This is what he said after he knocked him out.

01:24:08.000 And when the ring announcer was saying, the winner and still the undisputed...

01:24:14.000 The middleweight champion of the world.

01:24:16.000 Hagler's like saying it out loud to himself.

01:24:18.000 The undisputed middleweight champion of the world.

01:24:20.000 I mean, that's a guy that just went through hell for months in the snow at the Cape Cod.

01:24:26.000 And then he just beats the scariest fucking guy in the division.

01:24:29.000 And at that point in time, this was before the Leonard fight, he was talking about retiring.

01:24:34.000 And you'd have to know if you were a fighter in his division or potentially going to fight him and you saw that after a war and then you see him acting like that, you're probably just like...

01:24:43.000 Bro, when he knocked out Mugabe, it was an outdoor fight, and steam was coming off of his head.

01:24:49.000 At the end of the fight, see if you can go to the end of the fight, when Mugabe drops, and they raise his hand, and he's celebrating, as he's celebrating and walking around, steam is coming off of his head.

01:25:02.000 He was a monster.

01:25:06.000 I don't know, I'm addicted to these fucking video viral clips, so now I got two of them you just reminded me of.

01:25:13.000 There's one.

01:25:13.000 Have you ever heard of Badwater?

01:25:15.000 It's called Badwater 135, I think.

01:25:18.000 But it's a race in Death Valley.

01:25:20.000 Yes.

01:25:20.000 Okay.

01:25:21.000 So Goggins did that.

01:25:22.000 And it gets like 130 degrees where you have to...

01:25:25.000 Because it's on the highway through Death Valley.

01:25:27.000 So you have to run like on the white line so your shoes don't melt.

01:25:32.000 Oh, my God.

01:25:32.000 And you wear kind of all white because it's so hot.

01:25:35.000 But it gets 130 degrees.

01:25:37.000 So Goggins, his first time doing that, he's got his...

01:25:41.000 Physical issues like always, but he finishes, he gets third place, I believe.

01:25:46.000 They come up to him and they're like, so what was it like out there?

01:25:50.000 How was the heat?

01:25:50.000 And he just was like sitting there just in his chair like this and he looks at the camera and he's like, didn't notice.

01:25:58.000 Didn't notice.

01:25:59.000 It was 130 degrees.

01:26:02.000 That one is just, I love that one.

01:26:04.000 That's real.

01:26:07.000 What do you got there?

01:26:08.000 What was that, Jamie?

01:26:09.000 Shit.

01:26:11.000 Goggins is described as one of the toughest men on the planet.

01:26:16.000 He's the only man in history to complete elite training as...

01:26:19.000 Why is this?

01:26:21.000 That's terrible.

01:26:23.000 Why do they have music so much louder when someone's talking?

01:26:26.000 I hate that.

01:26:27.000 I hate that.

01:26:28.000 I didn't even notice it.

01:26:29.000 Yeah, there's that one.

01:26:33.000 Here's the Hagler one.

01:26:34.000 Look at the steam.

01:26:36.000 See the steam coming off his head?

01:26:37.000 Look at that.

01:26:37.000 That's so insane.

01:26:39.000 Fucking steam!

01:26:41.000 What is it about just people being shredded and just weapons?

01:26:47.000 Well, it's just inspirational, man.

01:26:49.000 It makes you want to go to the gym.

01:26:50.000 I mean, when I see Goggins making Izzy puke and break, it makes me want to work out.

01:26:54.000 I mean, when I talk to you, it makes me want to work out.

01:26:57.000 When I know that you're out there running 13 miles, when you had your full-time job, boy, did I try to talk you out of that for so long.

01:27:03.000 You did.

01:27:04.000 You did.

01:27:06.000 It's crazy.

01:27:07.000 I tried to talk you out of that job for years.

01:27:09.000 I was like, dude, you're wasting money being there.

01:27:11.000 I know you think it's a good job, but you're wasting money.

01:27:13.000 But the point is, you...

01:27:15.000 We're working out so much while you had a full-time job.

01:27:19.000 I mean, most people just don't have that kind of willpower.

01:27:22.000 And when someone does, it's like super inspirational to everybody else.

01:27:27.000 We feed off each other.

01:27:29.000 Humans feed off of each other.

01:27:30.000 When I see a guy like Goggins or I watch a Hagler video of him training...

01:27:35.000 It's just fuel, man.

01:27:37.000 To me, it just pumps my blood up.

01:27:41.000 I want to go hit the bag, man.

01:27:43.000 I want to go work out right now.

01:27:45.000 I see that, but I've always used that as fuel.

01:27:51.000 As a positive.

01:27:52.000 Always.

01:27:52.000 Read autobiographies about fighters and watched videos and watched them talk.

01:27:58.000 To me, it's like wood.

01:28:01.000 Just throw it on the fire.

01:28:03.000 It's more fuel.

01:28:05.000 This is the craziest thing about Goggins.

01:28:08.000 He ain't got nobody doing that for him.

01:28:11.000 It's all in his own fucked up head.

01:28:15.000 Yeah, there's another clip where this guy, they're doing, you know, they do these big events, speaking events.

01:28:21.000 And so he was sitting there and the guy's like interviewing him.

01:28:25.000 He's like, so you run for hours and hours, don't you?

01:28:28.000 And he just looked, again, looks at him just like, he's got masters, this delivery, but he just looks at him.

01:28:34.000 He's just like out, you know, something like hours, days.

01:28:38.000 He runs for days and days.

01:28:39.000 So, not hours.

01:28:40.000 What are you talking about, fucking hours?

01:28:42.000 Days.

01:28:43.000 Yeah, what did he do, like, 99 100-milers?

01:28:47.000 How many 100-milers has he done in his life?

01:28:50.000 Oh, he had the world record.

01:28:52.000 He did eight 100-mile races or, like, eight consecutive weekends.

01:28:57.000 So, it was something like that, which normally, you know, you do 100 miles, you're banged up for a while.

01:29:05.000 I would imagine.

01:29:06.000 100 miles is a lot.

01:29:09.000 So he's doing them, I think it was eight consecutive weekends.

01:29:12.000 Yeah, most people can't even do eight marathons.

01:29:15.000 Oh, God, dude.

01:29:16.000 Eight marathons?

01:29:17.000 Yeah.

01:29:17.000 Did you ever see Eddie Ift?

01:29:19.000 No.

01:29:20.000 Or, excuse me, Eddie Izzard.

01:29:21.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:29:22.000 Shout out to Eddie Ift.

01:29:23.000 Eddie Izzard, the comedian from the UK who likes to wear women's clothes, he did this thing in...

01:29:32.000 Sometime in the 2000s where he ran a marathon every day and he had no training.

01:29:39.000 He wasn't in shape at all.

01:29:41.000 He just did it through sheer will.

01:29:43.000 Yeah.

01:29:44.000 And I think he did it like 29 days in a row.

01:29:47.000 Like something insane like that.

01:29:48.000 He did it twice.

01:29:50.000 Okay, he's completed 43 marathons in 51 days.

01:29:53.000 That's in 2009.

01:29:55.000 Oh, it says she.

01:29:57.000 See, the thing about calling him she is he doesn't call himself she.

01:30:01.000 He still refers to himself as Eddie.

01:30:04.000 And he says, I'm a he, and I like ladies.

01:30:08.000 I don't know why they're saying she, unless he's changed things since, or she's changed, or whatever.

01:30:13.000 Either way, respect.

01:30:15.000 Super cool person, too.

01:30:18.000 Done two podcasts with him, her, the, them, whatever the fuck it is.

01:30:21.000 I love him to death.

01:30:23.000 But one of them, while he was on a treadmill.

01:30:26.000 Really?

01:30:26.000 Yeah, he was a he at the time.

01:30:28.000 So I was allowed to say he at the time.

01:30:30.000 I'm glad you're getting this all worked out.

01:30:33.000 Because when I want to tell these stories, I've got to figure out when he was he and she.

01:30:37.000 I think I did his podcast.

01:30:39.000 And he was doing podcasts while he was on a treadmill.

01:30:44.000 And it was running like hundreds of miles.

01:30:47.000 You know, but just through force of will.

01:30:50.000 Completed...

01:30:51.000 Oh, it's her latest endurance.

01:30:53.000 Look at that.

01:30:53.000 Eddie Izzard completes her latest...

01:30:55.000 Like, what are we doing?

01:30:56.000 This time, 32 marathons in 31 days.

01:30:59.000 Yeah.

01:31:00.000 Wow.

01:31:01.000 Yeah.

01:31:02.000 It's, uh...

01:31:03.000 It's so kooky.

01:31:05.000 It is...

01:31:05.000 Well...

01:31:07.000 But, I mean, that's really impressive, too, because this is a person that's not in shape.

01:31:10.000 Like, when they started doing it.

01:31:12.000 When he started doing the first marathon when he ran all around the UK and ran like a marathon a day There's a documentary about it and the documentary is pretty incredible because he's not in shape at all and he's just Breaking himself down.

01:31:25.000 And his feet are falling apart.

01:31:28.000 I bet.

01:31:29.000 Like the bottom of his feet are just raw.

01:31:31.000 It's just blood and tissues and they've got gauze wrapped in between the toes.

01:31:36.000 It's oozing.

01:31:37.000 I mean, they're just destroyed.

01:31:39.000 I bet.

01:31:39.000 One day he had to take a day off because it was that bad.

01:31:42.000 You think about it because that was one of the questions I did this podcast about this Cocodona race coming up and they said, you know, how many steps do you think it'll take to finish the race?

01:31:51.000 So, and that just reminds me of So if it's 250 miles, my guess was it's generally about 2,000 steps a mile, so 500,000 steps.

01:32:01.000 But the point is, 500,000 steps on your feet, that's going to cause some damage.

01:32:08.000 Oh, yeah.

01:32:09.000 You know what I mean?

01:32:09.000 So part of this training for big multi-day ultras is time on feet.

01:32:15.000 Because I was injured, I couldn't train like I normally train, so I'm like, okay, I'm just going to go out and spend time on my feet.

01:32:23.000 And so I did, last week, 150 miles, which was 22 miles a day.

01:32:28.000 But I couldn't run because I've been injured.

01:32:31.000 So it was like I was power hiking and kind of a slow run.

01:32:35.000 So it took fucking forever.

01:32:37.000 But I'm just like, time on my feet.

01:32:39.000 So I was out there to do that.

01:32:41.000 I was 37 hours of training last week.

01:32:43.000 So your foot must be getting worse, if that's the case.

01:32:45.000 That was my hamstring.

01:32:47.000 Oh.

01:32:48.000 Yeah.

01:32:49.000 Because I was in...

01:32:51.000 Like, the best shape I've ever been in was supposed to, I was going to go to Boston to get my best marathon time.

01:32:55.000 Everything was tracking good.

01:32:56.000 Me and Truel were training, running hard.

01:32:58.000 He was just like, on one of his videos, he's like, my goal is to get in the 230s for the marathon for him.

01:33:05.000 And he's like, but actually, I think that should be your goal because I can't keep up with you.

01:33:09.000 I was running so good and then tweaked the hamstring.

01:33:13.000 So now, if I try to open up and run like a six-minute mile, it kind of re-aggravates it.

01:33:18.000 So I've been trying to be patient, not push it, but I needed time on my feet was my point.

01:33:23.000 Because just as Eddie illustrated in that, if your feet aren't toughened up, that's your contact point.

01:33:32.000 And that's why you run with no socks on too, right?

01:33:34.000 Yeah, right.

01:33:34.000 You want them to get kind of like a brace.

01:33:37.000 But still, it's like that...

01:33:39.000 So many steps on your body.

01:33:41.000 So there's joints like, there's this great documentary that just came out on last year's Cocodona 250, and it's called The Chase, because they went with four guys.

01:33:53.000 Is there right here at The Chase?

01:33:54.000 Yeah.

01:33:54.000 And it's really good, but the four guys they follow here...

01:33:59.000 Bro, that looks like hell.

01:34:01.000 Yeah.

01:34:01.000 All those people in hell together.

01:34:03.000 Yeah, so that's...

01:34:04.000 Yeah, photographer there.

01:34:08.000 Mike McKnight right there.

01:34:11.000 All these legends of 200s.

01:34:15.000 I saw someone climbing a mountain here.

01:34:16.000 What is that?

01:34:18.000 Is that part of it?

01:34:19.000 Shut the fuck up.

01:34:20.000 Is that part of it?

01:34:21.000 That's in the same country, but that's just one of the key runners.

01:34:24.000 That's what he does during his runs.

01:34:27.000 What?

01:34:27.000 Yeah.

01:34:28.000 During his runs?

01:34:29.000 Yeah.

01:34:30.000 Take a little break.

01:34:31.000 He climbs all the way.

01:34:33.000 In the film, he climbs this whole fucking thing to the top.

01:34:37.000 Oh my God.

01:34:39.000 There's people that are different.

01:34:40.000 But the point is, that's the guy who's climbing right there.

01:34:45.000 What an animal.

01:34:46.000 Yeah, these guys are just studs.

01:34:48.000 But here's the thing.

01:34:51.000 They had these guys, Jeff Browning right there, legend.

01:34:53.000 He's won like 30 hundred mile races.

01:34:55.000 That's Joe Stringbean, McConaughey.

01:34:58.000 What's the guy's name that climbs?

01:35:00.000 That's Michael Verstage is his name, I think.

01:35:05.000 There's McKnight.

01:35:06.000 So it'll show him coming up.

01:35:08.000 Right there.

01:35:08.000 There he is.

01:35:09.000 That guy.

01:35:09.000 Oh, he looks like a psycho.

01:35:10.000 No, he's just...

01:35:12.000 He's got dead eyes.

01:35:15.000 To me, that's ultra running.

01:35:17.000 Like the dirt bag ultra runner.

01:35:19.000 That's what I love about it.

01:35:21.000 Right.

01:35:21.000 I love guys like that.

01:35:23.000 This guy is like...

01:35:24.000 I don't know if he's Amish or whatever.

01:35:25.000 He's from Ohio.

01:35:26.000 Doesn't he live around mountains?

01:35:27.000 Just a freak.

01:35:28.000 So you get these people out there to race this 250 miles.

01:35:33.000 You don't know what the hell is going to happen.

01:35:35.000 Every person they just showed there...

01:35:37.000 Did not win.

01:35:38.000 Wow.

01:35:39.000 A guy who they didn't show won.

01:35:42.000 Because so much crazy things can happen to your body.

01:35:47.000 And you cannot predict.

01:35:50.000 17-year-old just finished 12th?

01:35:52.000 That's crazy.

01:35:55.000 That's crazy.

01:35:56.000 I didn't know that.

01:35:58.000 That's interesting.

01:36:00.000 That's impressive.

01:36:01.000 That's impressive.

01:36:01.000 That kind of will for a 17-year-old?

01:36:04.000 For sure.

01:36:04.000 Oh, my God.

01:36:05.000 That kid's going to be unstoppable.

01:36:06.000 See, that goes to show you, there are hard people out there still, even in these soft-ass times.

01:36:12.000 Yeah.

01:36:13.000 There's hard people out there.

01:36:14.000 Yeah, there is.

01:36:15.000 Yeah.

01:36:15.000 I think they showed they'd done the through hike on the Arizona Trail as a family, that kid who'd done it, and that was 800 miles as the Arizona Trail.

01:36:24.000 So a through hike is basically you're just on the trail just as long as it takes.

01:36:29.000 But that makes you tough.

01:36:30.000 Oh, yeah.

01:36:31.000 Every day on your feet.

01:36:32.000 That's the thing.

01:36:33.000 It's like in that movie, these guys are just battling back and forth, passing each other, keeping track because you have the GPS tracker.

01:36:40.000 You remember when me and Courtney did Moab?

01:36:42.000 Mm-hmm.

01:36:43.000 So people get addicted to this tracking.

01:36:45.000 Right, right.

01:36:47.000 I know my brother just did.

01:36:51.000 So like a month ago.

01:36:53.000 Or maybe three weeks ago.

01:36:54.000 It was called the Arizona Monster 300.

01:36:56.000 A 300 mile race, my brother just got second.

01:36:59.000 Wow.

01:37:00.000 I was just tracking non-stop.

01:37:02.000 That's incredible.

01:37:03.000 It's so fun to watch.

01:37:03.000 300 mile race and he got second.

01:37:05.000 How much did the guy who won beat him by?

01:37:08.000 Two hours.

01:37:09.000 Jesus Christ.

01:37:11.000 So the guy who won got 86 hours.

01:37:14.000 Taylor got 88. That's so nuts.

01:37:18.000 88 hours is so crazy.

01:37:21.000 Slept for four.

01:37:23.000 That is so cool.

01:37:24.000 How long did it take him to recover?

01:37:25.000 Three and a half days.

01:37:26.000 I mean, I'm sure he's not recovered.

01:37:29.000 Ever.

01:37:30.000 It's been a few weeks.

01:37:30.000 I mean, what I've said before is like, those races, I mean, exercising is good.

01:37:38.000 That's good for you.

01:37:40.000 Those, not good.

01:37:42.000 Those aren't making you live longer.

01:37:44.000 No.

01:37:44.000 Pushing your body that hard.

01:37:46.000 No, it can't.

01:37:47.000 I mean, it's like you're on death's door.

01:37:49.000 I mean, you can only run for so long before eventually everything just breaks.

01:37:53.000 The cool part is Courtney's doing this one.

01:37:56.000 Oh, nice.

01:37:57.000 She's back to the 200s.

01:37:58.000 She's a fucking animal, dude.

01:38:00.000 You'd never guess.

01:38:01.000 Eats candy.

01:38:02.000 All silly.

01:38:03.000 Easy to talk to.

01:38:04.000 Real fun.

01:38:05.000 But somewhere in that brain, there's some darkness that she can call upon.

01:38:09.000 I've been trying to find it.

01:38:11.000 She came out.

01:38:13.000 I just released it on my YouTube, but we did three hours.

01:38:17.000 No, three days we did 100 miles.

01:38:19.000 Look at her, she's eating McDonald's french fries.

01:38:21.000 I know, I had Trey's bring us McDonald's.

01:38:24.000 We stayed at Pisgah for 12 hours and did 15 summits, 50 miles, just up and down.

01:38:31.000 Look at her, just chilling, eating fries.

01:38:33.000 She looks like an Instagram influencer.

01:38:35.000 She doesn't look like some psychopath that can run that far.

01:38:40.000 No, so we did this three days, 100 miles, and we did...

01:38:44.000 This is a McDonald's commercial.

01:38:46.000 Because you have your fries stuffed in your pockets.

01:38:48.000 I know.

01:38:49.000 The perfect fuel.

01:38:50.000 Seed oils for runners.

01:38:52.000 You need calories and salt.

01:38:54.000 There's my brother right there, Taylor.

01:38:56.000 That's who got third.

01:38:57.000 Incredible.

01:38:58.000 So this is his race.

01:38:59.000 But yeah, the point is, we went, so three days, and I'm 41 miles down this day.

01:39:07.000 You get to the last day, and I'm fucking beat up, dude.

01:39:12.000 She never...

01:39:14.000 Never got tired.

01:39:16.000 And I'm like, she can do her little run at this like a nine minute mile pace forever.

01:39:24.000 That's so crazy.

01:39:25.000 And I just don't, that's where I'm like, this willpower, how does it work?

01:39:30.000 Well, she famously went blind.

01:39:32.000 Yeah.

01:39:33.000 And kept running and fell and cracked her fucking head and got up and kept running.

01:39:38.000 And won.

01:39:39.000 Yeah, she's a maniac.

01:39:41.000 But it's like.

01:39:41.000 It's not like this angry Goggins, like, who's going to carry the boats?

01:39:45.000 Like a different kind of mental strength.

01:39:48.000 She's got her own thing, her own formula.

01:39:51.000 Yeah, I don't know if I told you this, but so I was talking to her about when you get in these ultra races, I mean, it's pain is what mostly stops you, right?

01:40:00.000 It just hurts so bad to run.

01:40:03.000 So I said, she talks about the pain cave.

01:40:07.000 So she goes into the pain cave, and that's...

01:40:10.000 You know, she welcomes it.

01:40:12.000 She's not shying away from the pain.

01:40:14.000 And I said, I go, okay.

01:40:16.000 So what do you mean?

01:40:18.000 You're just like embracing the pain?

01:40:20.000 She's like, no, I'm working in there.

01:40:22.000 And so she's explaining, she's got this chisel and she's hitting the chisel with a hammer.

01:40:28.000 And I said, so you're not thinking about running?

01:40:31.000 She's like, no.

01:40:33.000 She's, I'm thinking about hitting the chisel.

01:40:35.000 And she goes, rocks falling down and piling up.

01:40:38.000 I said, so you're thinking about that not running.

01:40:41.000 She's not running at all.

01:40:42.000 She's thinking about working.

01:40:44.000 So she makes her brain think about making this cave bigger.

01:40:49.000 And I'm like, whoa.

01:40:51.000 So I said, is there like furniture and shit in the cave?

01:40:55.000 She's like, no.

01:40:57.000 Plato's cave?

01:40:58.000 I said, but is it the same cave every time, every race?

01:41:02.000 She says, yeah.

01:41:03.000 And I go, but...

01:41:05.000 I said, do you have like an extra, like a wing for one specific race as you work on this wing of the cave?

01:41:13.000 She's like, yeah, sometimes.

01:41:14.000 So she's in this cave thinking about chiseling rock.

01:41:20.000 Making the cave larger.

01:41:22.000 Making the cave larger and just expanding the pain cave.

01:41:27.000 And I was just like, I was blown away.

01:41:29.000 And she goes, I feel like I need to stop talking about this because the more I talk, the crazier I'm seeing.

01:41:37.000 I kind of think you have to be crazy to be great.

01:41:41.000 I don't think it comes to a normal person.

01:41:44.000 I think there's got to be something going on.

01:41:46.000 I mean, for her, it's the pain cave.

01:41:48.000 For Goggins, it's who's going to carry the boats.

01:41:50.000 You don't know me, son.

01:41:52.000 Whatever it is, you've got to be crazy.

01:41:55.000 And you have to decide.

01:41:56.000 Like, if you want to beat Courtney in a 200-mile race, you've got to decide for years, for years, you have to chase that goal.

01:42:04.000 You're not going to do it tomorrow.

01:42:05.000 It's not going to happen.

01:42:06.000 Like, you're going to have to build up for years to be able to do that.

01:42:11.000 And she's going to be building up along the way, too, and so you'll probably never catch her.

01:42:15.000 I don't know.

01:42:16.000 She looks, you know, she's 40 now, looks like...

01:42:21.000 Better than she's ever looked as far as performance.

01:42:24.000 I think she's done one race this year, won it, broke the course record, and now she's got this one coming up.

01:42:30.000 So, I don't know.

01:42:32.000 When she won the Moab, she won the Moab 240, right?

01:42:35.000 240, yeah.

01:42:35.000 How far away was she from the second place person?

01:42:38.000 It's like 8 or 10 hours.

01:42:41.000 And I asked her about that too.

01:42:43.000 Because even that, so if you said, oh, you're up by hours.

01:42:50.000 Right.

01:42:50.000 Slow down.

01:42:52.000 She pushed the whole time.

01:42:54.000 So that's what I am fascinated and I just want to know why.

01:42:59.000 Right.

01:43:00.000 How?

01:43:01.000 What did she say?

01:43:03.000 She just wants to do the best she can.

01:43:05.000 She just wants to see what...

01:43:06.000 She said she's never racing anybody else.

01:43:08.000 It's always just how hard can she push herself?

01:43:12.000 That's interesting because that kind of eliminates the ego.

01:43:16.000 Yeah.

01:43:17.000 Because instead of battling with your ego, You're just trying to do your best all the time.

01:43:23.000 Your best.

01:43:23.000 You're not racing against anybody else.

01:43:25.000 You're just trying to do your best.

01:43:26.000 A lot of people say that.

01:43:27.000 Right.

01:43:28.000 A lot of people say that.

01:43:29.000 I think she truly believes it.

01:43:31.000 Right.

01:43:32.000 I believe it.

01:43:33.000 She believes it, too.

01:43:34.000 And if you can just compete against yourself, like, again, back to Goggins, he's not doing it for anything.

01:43:40.000 Right.

01:43:41.000 There's not a thing that he's got going on.

01:43:43.000 No race coming up.

01:43:44.000 Uh-uh.

01:43:44.000 No, a lot of people have to have a goal to work towards.

01:43:47.000 He told me he's downloading information.

01:43:49.000 Yeah, I don't know what that means.

01:43:51.000 That's his own pain cave.

01:43:52.000 He's downloading knowledge.

01:43:55.000 So he's still trying to get better, is what it sounds like to me.

01:43:59.000 He's trying to figure out, like, he's developing his mind to be this unstoppable force, which it clearly is.

01:44:07.000 It's as close to an unstoppable force as I've ever seen, especially when you consider the damage.

01:44:13.000 If you go back to that Izzy video, let's look at his stride.

01:44:16.000 Because here's the thing about Goggins.

01:44:18.000 One of the things you see in his stride is if you look at his knees, he's got giant scars up both of his knees.

01:44:25.000 His knees are way more fucked up than mine, and I don't run.

01:44:28.000 Because my knees are fucked up.

01:44:30.000 You did a 5k.

01:44:31.000 I did once.

01:44:32.000 No trading at all.

01:44:33.000 But the scars are extraordinary.

01:44:37.000 And when you see them in real life, it's even scarier.

01:44:40.000 And his form is weird.

01:44:44.000 But if you go to the YouTube video, Freestyle Bender, YouTube...

01:44:50.000 Okay, Izzy's got it.

01:44:52.000 Izzy put the whole thing up.

01:44:53.000 And when you see him running, I mean, his pace is great, but it's weird, like, the way he's running because his knees are destroyed.

01:45:02.000 Yeah, and I think that that's just kind of...

01:45:04.000 He's evolved or devolved, however you want to say it, over time.

01:45:08.000 He's just doing what he has to do.

01:45:09.000 You know what I mean?

01:45:10.000 Yeah.

01:45:10.000 If you scooch ahead a little bit, this is in the beginning.

01:45:13.000 So here it is, him running.

01:45:14.000 There's a profile that shows it pretty good.

01:45:16.000 Yeah, there's a sideways profile.

01:45:18.000 But even then, it looks kind of odd.

01:45:20.000 Like, Izzy looks sort of loose and relaxed.

01:45:22.000 His legs straighten out.

01:45:24.000 David's legs never straighten out.

01:45:26.000 They always have a bend to them at every step.

01:45:29.000 You know, like, when you see him sideways, you really get a chance to see it.

01:45:34.000 Yeah.

01:45:35.000 There's one part where you see him run.

01:45:37.000 There it is.

01:45:38.000 There it is right there.

01:45:39.000 So look.

01:45:40.000 See how he's kind of...

01:45:41.000 That's odd, right?

01:45:42.000 Like you're a runner.

01:45:43.000 You tell me.

01:45:43.000 That's kind of odd, right?

01:45:46.000 Well, I just don't know.

01:45:47.000 He might be just trying to stay with Izzy because Izzy's going at a slower pace, which maybe if he was like...

01:45:53.000 Maybe if David was opened up, it'd be more extended.

01:45:55.000 I'm not sure.

01:45:57.000 It's hard to say.

01:45:58.000 Because Izzy's obviously struggling there.

01:46:00.000 And also, they are going uphill when this is happening.

01:46:02.000 Yeah, so I think David, it could be tweaking his form a little bit.

01:46:07.000 But, I mean, he must be in agony.

01:46:10.000 There's no way he's not in agony if you know the extent of the damage that he has on his knees.

01:46:15.000 And if you've seen the x-rays, we've showed them on the podcast before with all the fucking screws and shit.

01:46:20.000 They saw the top of his...

01:46:22.000 Femur off or his tibia off and shifted it to make it flat again.

01:46:27.000 Like, what?

01:46:28.000 Yeah, he showed me some crazy photos, too, of his body reacting just insanely to some of what he's been putting it through.

01:46:38.000 Yeah, of course.

01:46:39.000 Well, he has to stretch, he told me.

01:46:40.000 He stretches for two and a half hours every night.

01:46:42.000 Just stretches.

01:46:43.000 And that's changed a lot for him, too.

01:46:46.000 When you look at him and Izzy running, I mean, David's 50. They don't look that much different as far as like...

01:46:53.000 Physically looks insane.

01:46:54.000 Yeah.

01:46:55.000 And again, he's not breathing heavy at all.

01:46:57.000 And that was one of multiple workouts he does in a day.

01:47:01.000 Yeah.

01:47:01.000 That would break most human beings.

01:47:03.000 I think Izzy posted that that was...

01:47:05.000 David does three of those workouts a day.

01:47:09.000 That's so crazy.

01:47:10.000 Yeah.

01:47:11.000 And he keeps going.

01:47:12.000 Yeah.

01:47:13.000 By himself.

01:47:13.000 That's why I love him.

01:47:14.000 All alone.

01:47:15.000 Yeah.

01:47:16.000 I mean, there's real boogeymen out there, right?

01:47:18.000 Yeah.

01:47:18.000 And with David...

01:47:20.000 This is all for his own personal growth or what he likes to call downloading knowledge.

01:47:26.000 Whatever he's doing, that's for him.

01:47:28.000 It's his own battle that he does.

01:47:30.000 But just to know that there's a guy like that out there, it pushes everybody else too.

01:47:35.000 David existing in this soft-ass world that we live in today raises the bar for literally everyone on earth.

01:47:45.000 Everyone who hears about him knows that there's a standard above in which they have ever pushed themselves.

01:47:52.000 Right.

01:47:52.000 Above and beyond.

01:47:54.000 And that's Marvin Hagler and that's Rocky Marciano.

01:47:57.000 There's people.

01:47:58.000 That's Khabib.

01:47:59.000 There's champions.

01:48:00.000 And what people do is they cultivate their own little world without those people.

01:48:05.000 Oh, yeah.

01:48:06.000 They're like, I don't know if I've heard you.

01:48:08.000 I think you, like...

01:48:10.000 You don't like knowing about...

01:48:12.000 Certain men don't like knowing that there's people like that out there.

01:48:15.000 Yeah, they don't like it.

01:48:15.000 Because then it's just like, fuck!

01:48:17.000 They don't like being held to a standard that they can't match.

01:48:21.000 They don't like being confronted by, oh, he's cheating, oh, he's doing this, he's probably on peptides.

01:48:27.000 There's some fucking excuse.

01:48:29.000 There's not a peptide in the world that makes you work out six hours a day.

01:48:32.000 Fuck no.

01:48:32.000 It doesn't exist.

01:48:33.000 No.

01:48:34.000 It doesn't exist.

01:48:35.000 Yeah, I think that...

01:48:38.000 You have to be a crazy person.

01:48:40.000 And you have to be willing to get yourself into that place.

01:48:43.000 That crazy place.

01:48:44.000 What was super cool was when Tru was going after the pull-ups, Goggins was checking in.

01:48:49.000 And he was just like, all in.

01:48:52.000 Like, you gotta, okay, tell him to do this.

01:48:53.000 Tell him to do this.

01:48:54.000 He's like, okay, write this down.

01:48:55.000 Call me back.

01:48:56.000 I mean, he was so into it.

01:48:59.000 Yeah, he's a man.

01:49:00.000 He's the man.

01:49:01.000 Love him.

01:49:01.000 I love him to death.

01:49:02.000 And I think he does a great service to the world, even though he's doing it all in silence.

01:49:08.000 He's doing it all alone.

01:49:09.000 You get glimpses of it.

01:49:10.000 You get enough to know, and especially that video where you see him with Izzy, like, oh, this is real.

01:49:15.000 This isn't a mythical person.

01:49:18.000 You know, this isn't the gray man.

01:49:20.000 This is a real human being.

01:49:21.000 Like, holy shit, man.

01:49:23.000 Like, there's people out there that are just working harder than everybody else, and they're gonna keep doing it.

01:49:31.000 Yeah.

01:49:31.000 And that's their grind.

01:49:32.000 Mm-hmm.

01:49:33.000 You know, and those people are super valuable.

01:49:36.000 Those people are so valuable.

01:49:38.000 The Marvin Haglers of the world, the Rocky Marcianos of the world, those are very, very valuable people.

01:49:44.000 Because they change everybody's perspective of what's possible, what to strive for, and what it takes.

01:49:51.000 Do you really want to be a champion?

01:49:53.000 Why?

01:49:54.000 Because you just want to be cool?

01:49:55.000 You want to be the coolest guy on the block?

01:49:57.000 You're not going to win.

01:49:57.000 You're going to find some fucking psychopath who just lives it.

01:50:02.000 It's their whole life.

01:50:03.000 And if it's not your whole life, get out.

01:50:05.000 Get out.

01:50:07.000 There's another quote that I love, something like, there's somebody out there training every day, and when you meet, they will win.

01:50:17.000 I mean, that's just a fact.

01:50:19.000 Most people don't want to think about those type of people.

01:50:22.000 They think that they're like, oh, yeah, I'm working my ass off.

01:50:26.000 I'm doing more than anybody.

01:50:29.000 They're ignoring a few people.

01:50:32.000 You don't work more than anybody.

01:50:34.000 That's not real.

01:50:34.000 There's no way you do.

01:50:36.000 There's one guy.

01:50:36.000 He lives in Vegas.

01:50:39.000 He's my friend.

01:50:40.000 I know.

01:50:41.000 I'll introduce you to him and you just get nervous just being around him.

01:50:44.000 He's on a different level.

01:50:46.000 He's the man.

01:50:47.000 And that level that he's on, like this thing that he's doing, it's good for all of us.

01:50:52.000 People don't like it because they feel weak.

01:50:55.000 I compare myself to him like, Jesus Christ, I don't have that kind of will.

01:50:58.000 But if I was the type of person that...

01:51:00.000 All I was was my hard work and my will.

01:51:04.000 I would look at him and I would feel inferior.

01:51:05.000 And people do not like that.

01:51:08.000 And there's a lot of bitch-ass men out there that don't like it when guys are working harder than them.

01:51:13.000 And they try to bring those people down.

01:51:15.000 And David takes all those fucking people and then he writes all the shit that they said down.

01:51:22.000 And then he records it and listens while he's running.

01:51:26.000 Yeah.

01:51:28.000 He's one of one.

01:51:30.000 You better shut the fuck up.

01:51:31.000 You're just going to make him meaner.

01:51:32.000 Yeah.

01:51:32.000 You're just going to make him crazier.

01:51:34.000 I love that.

01:51:35.000 The challenge nowadays is who's real and who isn't.

01:51:41.000 Right.

01:51:42.000 Because there's people that say things just like David says.

01:51:46.000 But they're not really doing it that well.

01:51:47.000 They're not doing it that well.

01:51:48.000 They're not him.

01:51:49.000 No, they're not him.

01:51:50.000 It's an act.

01:51:51.000 It gives them this social currency in today's world.

01:51:55.000 So that's the hard part, is like, who's real, who isn't?

01:52:00.000 And they might be working harder than most people.

01:52:02.000 Not everybody.

01:52:04.000 Even not everybody.

01:52:05.000 No, there's people out there that are just...

01:52:07.000 And you can't.

01:52:08.000 You know, you can't.

01:52:09.000 Because there's not only so many hours in a day, and there's only so much time you can do.

01:52:13.000 Yeah.

01:52:14.000 You know, I've never done anything like that before.

01:52:17.000 But what I did do when we had that Sober October challenge with Tom and Bert and Ari is I went kind of crazy and lost my mind.

01:52:27.000 I was doing seven hours of cardio a day because I wanted Bert Kreischer to die.

01:52:31.000 Because Bert really thought he was going to win.

01:52:33.000 So I watched John Wick like 50 times in a row.

01:52:36.000 Did you do seven a day?

01:52:37.000 Oh yeah, I was doing seven hours a day.

01:52:39.000 I was trying to kill him.

01:52:41.000 I was literally trying to kill him.

01:52:42.000 I was running hills.

01:52:43.000 What if he would have died?

01:52:45.000 Then he dies.

01:52:46.000 I was like, he's talking shit.

01:52:48.000 He was talking shit.

01:52:48.000 That's what you get.

01:52:49.000 That's Bert.

01:52:50.000 Bert will tell you he can do the splits.

01:52:52.000 I'm like, okay, do the splits.

01:52:53.000 He can't do the splits.

01:52:54.000 He'll tell you he can beat you in push-ups.

01:52:56.000 Okay, he can't beat you in push-ups, but he'll always say it, which is fine.

01:53:00.000 But there was something about that competition where we were all kind of going crazy.

01:53:04.000 We all decided to never do that again because at the end of the month, we were like, it was bad for your family, bad for your kids never saw me.

01:53:12.000 Daddy's fucking screaming in the gym all day.

01:53:14.000 I set off the fire alarm because I sweat so much in the gym that the fire alarm went off.

01:53:20.000 That's pushing it.

01:53:21.000 Puddles around me.

01:53:22.000 Puddles.

01:53:23.000 Just puddles.

01:53:24.000 I was just drinking water and soda.

01:53:27.000 I was drinking like cream sodas because I needed sugar.

01:53:32.000 Yeah, I just felt that's what I wanted.

01:53:34.000 I wanted soda.

01:53:35.000 So I was drinking like sugary sodas and just running like a fucking maniac.

01:53:40.000 At the end of it, I was like, I can't.

01:53:42.000 That's a part of my brain I don't like.

01:53:45.000 That part was like the part that made me very good at fighting.

01:53:49.000 And it like ignited again.

01:53:51.000 And I was like, woo, it's still in there.

01:53:52.000 Like, Jesus.

01:53:53.000 It's been a while and it's still there.

01:53:55.000 It's been a while.

01:53:56.000 It kind of got stronger.

01:53:57.000 It was like more...

01:53:58.000 You wanted to stay back.

01:54:01.000 It's like you want to start doing other things.

01:54:03.000 You want to start running and doing races and start like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

01:54:08.000 You're busy.

01:54:10.000 Let's not get crazy.

01:54:11.000 Do you think it's...

01:54:12.000 Do you think it's the measurables?

01:54:16.000 That have changed things?

01:54:17.000 Because our watches tell us everything.

01:54:21.000 So you get those numbers.

01:54:23.000 You want those numbers to go up.

01:54:24.000 Yeah, they say that that's a thing with those Fitbits and all these different wearables.

01:54:28.000 People say that people are getting addicted to those the same way they're getting addicted to social media.

01:54:34.000 So we were doing everything through the MyZones chest strap.

01:54:38.000 It's a heart rate monitor.

01:54:39.000 And it was basically giving you a certain amount of points for...

01:54:43.000 Having your heart rate above like 140 and then even more points if it gets above like 180, like when you're in the red.

01:54:51.000 And so you would just try to clock as many points as you could for a day.

01:54:57.000 So you had to push hard to get those points, you're saying?

01:55:01.000 Yeah, you have to be, you know, you're in the yellow.

01:55:04.000 Like the 140s for hours and hours.

01:55:07.000 Yeah, my heart rate is so low.

01:55:10.000 If me and Tru are going on a run, we did a 20-mile run here a few months ago.

01:55:14.000 His was, in the 20-mile run, we ran like six 18s.

01:55:18.000 His was 157, and mine was 139 or 140.

01:55:23.000 Wow.

01:55:23.000 So I have a hard time getting my heart.

01:55:26.000 High.

01:55:27.000 That's crazy.

01:55:28.000 That's insane fitness.

01:55:29.000 I'd like to see what David's is.

01:55:31.000 Yeah.

01:55:32.000 But he ain't wearing no fucking heart rate monitor.

01:55:35.000 No, that's not his style.

01:55:37.000 But yeah, so when you talked about that your heart rate had to be high to get these points, I'd be like, I'd be fucked.

01:55:42.000 Well, Brigham says that he competes with Tim Kennedy, and he's like, Tim Kennedy doesn't even know I'm competing with him.

01:55:48.000 Because Tim Kennedy's wearable numbers are posted on the MyZones thing.

01:55:53.000 That's the thing about MyZones that was interesting is you could compete with...

01:55:56.000 And even when we were doing Sober October and we were torturing ourselves, we still weren't in the top ten in the country.

01:56:04.000 There were still people out there for no fucking reason other than being a psycho, people you've never heard of in Nebraska somewhere or wherever that are working harder than us.

01:56:14.000 And they're not even competing for anything.

01:56:15.000 This is just what they do.

01:56:17.000 They're putting in crazier numbers than we were.

01:56:19.000 And they probably do it every month.

01:56:21.000 Yeah, that's...

01:56:23.000 Nuts.

01:56:24.000 That is nuts.

01:56:25.000 Yeah, so Tim Kennedy's one of those.

01:56:26.000 He's always posting these crazy numbers.

01:56:29.000 And Brigham tries to compete with him.

01:56:31.000 And when he finds Tim's numbers, that's why he spends two hours a day doing Muay Thai.

01:56:37.000 He's competing with these numbers.

01:56:38.000 Oh, I see.

01:56:39.000 Yeah.

01:56:39.000 See, Strava's sort of like that.

01:56:42.000 Runners use Strava.

01:56:43.000 I'm not on it, but...

01:56:45.000 That gets posted publicly so everybody can see the pace, the climb, the hours.

01:56:51.000 Well, if you're competitive, it's great for everybody.

01:56:53.000 Yeah.

01:56:53.000 Because it just raises that bar.

01:56:55.000 Imagine if you could see Rocky Marciano's Strava numbers in 1951.

01:56:59.000 People would be like, what the fuck?

01:57:01.000 I know.

01:57:01.000 I would love that.

01:57:02.000 Everybody else would be like, well, that was the thing with the Hagler and Mugabe fight.

01:57:05.000 Like, Marvin broke him.

01:57:07.000 He couldn't keep up with Marvin.

01:57:08.000 Marvin kept hitting him, ripping to the body, slowly but surely breaking him down.

01:57:14.000 But his endurance was just so strong.

01:57:17.000 At the end, Mugabe was just like a—he was wobbling.

01:57:20.000 When you see it in a fight, in MMA you see it a lot.

01:57:25.000 Their technique doesn't look crisp anymore.

01:57:27.000 Their head's moving too much.

01:57:29.000 Their core's not stable.

01:57:31.000 They're constantly recorrecting.

01:57:33.000 They're not like rock.

01:57:34.000 In the beginning of the fight, everybody is rock solid.

01:57:38.000 In the end, there's like a laxity to the movement.

01:57:41.000 You see the fatigue set in.

01:57:43.000 There's like these telltale things.

01:57:45.000 And Marvin didn't have that.

01:57:46.000 There was no laxity.

01:57:48.000 It's like the storm.

01:57:49.000 Storm's coming.

01:57:51.000 Being across from somebody like that must just be the worst.

01:57:55.000 They never get tired.

01:57:56.000 There's a famous moment when Khabib fought Edson Barboza where Edson has this thousand yard stare because Khabib took him down again and he's beating him up and you realize Edson's like...

01:58:08.000 This is never gonna end.

01:58:10.000 I cannot get out of this.

01:58:11.000 I'm never gonna get this guy off me.

01:58:13.000 I can't stop him from taking me down, and he's just mauling me.

01:58:17.000 Every time he takes me down, he's just punching my fucking face in.

01:58:20.000 And that's how Conor felt when he was fighting Khabib, too.

01:58:23.000 At the end, he's just, like, tapped.

01:58:26.000 Like, fuck it.

01:58:27.000 It's over.

01:58:28.000 Yeah, I mean, it's got...

01:58:31.000 That fatigue makes cowards of us all.

01:58:34.000 It's got to be the most accurate quote of all time.

01:58:37.000 And the only way to develop that kind of endurance is through insane work.

01:58:44.000 Insane work.

01:58:46.000 Just insane volume.

01:58:48.000 And then constant consistency, constant volume, discipline, intensity, never-ending, go, go, go, go, go.

01:58:56.000 Where your body just has to keep up.

01:58:58.000 Yeah.

01:58:58.000 Or it doesn't and it breaks.

01:59:01.000 And then eventually you get like Cain Velasquez towards the end of his career.

01:59:04.000 His shoulders were getting fucked up.

01:59:06.000 His knee was fucked up.

01:59:07.000 His back was fucked up.

01:59:09.000 After a while, he was too mentally tough for his own physical form.

01:59:13.000 His body just couldn't tolerate it anymore.

01:59:16.000 Yeah, I wonder what the limit is nowadays.

01:59:20.000 Because we talk about back then.

01:59:24.000 And we talk about how it's changed.

01:59:25.000 Because you said something, talking about, I think, Sonny Liston, talking about when he was 38. That was a different 38 than now.

01:59:31.000 Joe Lewis, yeah.

01:59:32.000 He was 37. Okay, so nowadays, what are people capable of?

01:59:41.000 Because when you talk about the nutrition, the science, who knows?

01:59:47.000 Because you said something like your body will break if you push a certain amount.

01:59:52.000 Yeah.

01:59:53.000 I think there's a difference between endurance activities and combat sports.

01:59:59.000 And there's something about combat sports that it's fractions of a second you miss.

02:00:05.000 So there's only been a very few fighters that fight at an elite level deep into their 40s.

02:00:12.000 The best example is Bernard Hopkins.

02:00:15.000 Bernard Hopkins fought at a world championship level when he was 48, 49 years old.

02:00:23.000 Very intelligent.

02:00:24.000 Never got out of shape.

02:00:26.000 Never cheated on his diet.

02:00:27.000 Never partied.

02:00:29.000 Never drank.

02:00:30.000 Never smoked.

02:00:31.000 Never got fat.

02:00:32.000 Always trained.

02:00:33.000 Always in shape.

02:00:35.000 And also very intelligent with his boxing.

02:00:38.000 Super defensively responsible.

02:00:40.000 He didn't fight like Hagler where he just weighed himself into the fire and tried to break guys.

02:00:45.000 Bernard was using clever boxing and really good defense.

02:00:50.000 Defense was number one.

02:00:51.000 You didn't have to like his fights.

02:00:53.000 Some of them in the beginning, people thought it was boring because he would hold on to guys and he wouldn't let the guys hit him.

02:00:58.000 But he won fights and he didn't take a lot of damage.

02:01:02.000 And so he was able to do it deep in their 40s.

02:01:04.000 But most people, by the time you're 37...

02:01:08.000 That's usually when the wheels start to fall off, if you're natural.

02:01:12.000 If you're natural.

02:01:13.000 The thing about today is, with boxing, especially in the off-season, no one can stop you from doing peptides and growth hormone and testosterone replacement.

02:01:26.000 No one can stop you.

02:01:27.000 As long as you're not getting VADA tested.

02:01:30.000 And that usually, generally, they do that during camp.

02:01:33.000 And as long as you're not getting randomly tested, like USADA used to do with the UFC, where they just show up at your door, if you just get weighed in and then the State Athletic Commission drug tests you, like in Nevada...

02:01:44.000 That's an intelligence test.

02:01:48.000 That's how certain guys were able to maintain their power going up in weight class, multiple divisions.

02:01:54.000 For sure there's some Mexican supplements involved in that.

02:01:58.000 For sure.

02:01:59.000 And that's different.

02:02:01.000 So if you're doing...

02:02:03.000 Like peptides and hormone replacement and all that, then you're extending your athletic career deep, deep, deep into your 30s and maybe even into your 40s.

02:02:12.000 But combat sports are just a different animal.

02:02:15.000 Yeah.

02:02:15.000 It's different than just running.

02:02:17.000 Like you're getting hit.

02:02:18.000 And like your ability to hit back is based on your ability to absorb punishment.

02:02:23.000 And you only have so many times that ticket can get punched before your chin goes, before you can't take it anymore.

02:02:31.000 Yeah.

02:02:32.000 So it's like, for fighters, it's very rare that a guy can perform at the highest level in the late 30s.

02:02:40.000 Randy Couture, he did it.

02:02:42.000 He didn't even start his career until I think he was 34 or 35 as an MMA fighter.

02:02:47.000 Yeah, and he went late, beat Tim Sylvia.

02:02:50.000 Yeah, he won in his 40s.

02:02:50.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:02:52.000 So what's your training like nowadays?

02:02:55.000 Because you're shredded.

02:02:56.000 I'm doing a lot of kettlebells still, always.

02:03:00.000 I'm doing that regularly.

02:03:02.000 I'm doing a lot of rucking, too.

02:03:03.000 Getting ready for elk season.

02:03:05.000 I've been doing a lot of walk hills.

02:03:09.000 There's a big hill in my yard that I like to walk to with farmer's carries and shit.

02:03:15.000 Yeah.

02:03:17.000 This is that Tom Haviland guy that I've been following a lot from Australia.

02:03:21.000 And one of the things that he does, he carries stuff.

02:03:24.000 So I'll carry heavy shit and walk around the gym with it.

02:03:27.000 There you go.

02:03:27.000 I think there's something to that, man.

02:03:29.000 Really, for overall strength.

02:03:31.000 Yeah.

02:03:31.000 But I've been staying with a lot of the bodyweight stuff that I do.

02:03:35.000 I do a lot of that stuff with a weighted vest, too.

02:03:37.000 A lot of chin-ups and dips and pull-ups and L pull-ups.

02:03:42.000 You know, when you do it, you hold it tight and lift the legs out.

02:03:46.000 I'm doing a lot of those leg lifts, too, where you're hanging with a straight body and then lift your legs, hinge at the hips, lift your toes all the way up to the top of the bar and then slowly drop them down and up and that.

02:03:59.000 Doing a lot of that, too.

02:04:01.000 And just mixing that up with bag work and all the different things that I always like to do.

02:04:07.000 But I've been super consistent.

02:04:09.000 I've been real consistent.

02:04:10.000 Going to be ready for elk season?

02:04:12.000 Fuck yeah.

02:04:12.000 I'm excited.

02:04:13.000 I'm already excited.

02:04:15.000 How many elk hunts?

02:04:16.000 I have two.

02:04:17.000 One with you and one with Evan.

02:04:19.000 You know, that's generally what I do.

02:04:21.000 But I have a lot of opportunities around Texas for pig hunts.

02:04:26.000 Yeah.

02:04:27.000 Which is nice because people are begging you to hunt pigs.

02:04:30.000 Yeah.

02:04:31.000 They're tearing up the land here.

02:04:32.000 They just get, you know, like I got a text from a friend of mine the other day who's a...

02:04:36.000 Movie producer.

02:04:37.000 And he's like, please, come to my ranch and kill some of these pigs.

02:04:41.000 They're just everywhere.

02:04:42.000 Sounds fun.

02:04:43.000 Yeah, because they have to kill them.

02:04:45.000 I mean, there's millions of them in Texas, and I'm not exaggerating.

02:04:51.000 Yeah, and they just reproduce so quickly.

02:04:53.000 Yeah.

02:04:53.000 So the good thing about that is it really gets you tightened up for elk season.

02:04:57.000 You really get a lot of targets in.

02:05:00.000 Bo's shooting good.

02:05:01.000 And get some good sausage.

02:05:03.000 Yeah, bo's shooting great, man.

02:05:05.000 Yeah.

02:05:05.000 Always shooting great.

02:05:07.000 Archery country.

02:05:08.000 Archery country.

02:05:08.000 What's going on there?

02:05:09.000 You and me are part of the owners now.

02:05:11.000 Oh, yeah.

02:05:11.000 Is that public now?

02:05:13.000 It is now.

02:05:14.000 Yeah, that's exciting, isn't it?

02:05:16.000 It is.

02:05:16.000 We're business partners, buddy.

02:05:18.000 I know.

02:05:18.000 That's fun.

02:05:19.000 Yeah, and Evan and Tyler's the man.

02:05:22.000 Yeah.

02:05:23.000 It's cool.

02:05:23.000 Everybody together.

02:05:24.000 Pretty exciting.

02:05:25.000 Really fun.

02:05:26.000 Yeah, we got big plans to do something really cool with a place here in Austin.

02:05:31.000 That's exciting.

02:05:33.000 Yeah.

02:05:33.000 A lot going on.

02:05:34.000 There's a lot happening.

02:05:36.000 Archery's so much fun.

02:05:37.000 Oh, the best.

02:05:39.000 Dude, I just got this set up.

02:05:41.000 I just love shooting bows.

02:05:43.000 You got another one?

02:05:44.000 Yeah, this is correct.

02:05:44.000 Why'd you get a different one?

02:05:45.000 Well, I had to get it in the Sitka.

02:05:47.000 Oh, that's nice.

02:05:49.000 Ooh, that does look good.

02:05:50.000 So we had the origin on that.

02:05:52.000 Is this 80?

02:05:53.000 Yeah.

02:05:55.000 It's a good-looking bow.

02:05:56.000 Yeah.

02:05:57.000 But yeah, so some changes.

02:05:59.000 Had to get in Sitka and we're...

02:06:01.000 Yeah.

02:06:02.000 We're rocking.

02:06:02.000 Oh, yeah.

02:06:03.000 So you said Truett ran in Origin Jeans.

02:06:06.000 No, he didn't.

02:06:07.000 Not true.

02:06:07.000 I thought he did.

02:06:08.000 Yeah.

02:06:09.000 He's running in...

02:06:09.000 What's the company that he uses?

02:06:11.000 It's called Perfect Gene.

02:06:12.000 Oh, I saw Jesse Michaels was repping those, too, in one of his YouTube videos.

02:06:19.000 Yeah.

02:06:20.000 Anyway, so Origin liked your call out, though.

02:06:23.000 Oh, there it is.

02:06:24.000 There's a perfect jean.

02:06:26.000 Yeah, well, there's a lot of people that make these great stretchy jeans.

02:06:30.000 Revtown makes a great pair.

02:06:31.000 Barbell makes a great pair.

02:06:33.000 Yeah.

02:06:34.000 But he's so jacked.

02:06:35.000 For a guy who runs, like, that kind of time, sub-three-hour marathon, nobody looks like him that's running those.

02:06:41.000 Look how jacked he is.

02:06:43.000 Yeah, he's down to a...

02:06:44.000 He just did Eugene.

02:06:46.000 So he set...

02:06:47.000 He got his fastest time ever in Boston on Monday.

02:06:50.000 Look at that.

02:06:51.000 No one's jacked like that doing fucking marathons.

02:06:54.000 And then also gets the world record in pull-ups.

02:06:57.000 Yeah, and then he just beat that time six days later in Eugene.

02:07:01.000 That's nuts.

02:07:02.000 So normally under three hours as fast.

02:07:05.000 He did Eugene in 234.

02:07:10.000 He came in seventh place in the Austin Marathon and doesn't look anything like anybody else that's running.

02:07:17.000 Everybody else looks like popsicle sticks.

02:07:19.000 Yeah, I mean, part of it is, like, I told him when he was, like, that little guy, I said, hey, running's your thing.

02:07:26.000 Just so you know, running is going to take you, and he hated it, because I made the kids run.

02:07:32.000 So you make a kid do something, they're going to hate it, right?

02:07:36.000 So he...

02:07:38.000 Kind of half-ass effort all through high school.

02:07:40.000 Did pretty good.

02:07:41.000 Was like all conferences of freshmen, but that was as hard as he ever kind of worked.

02:07:46.000 He just wanted to lift and he hated running.

02:07:49.000 So I told him, I said, if you work hard, you could run in college.

02:07:54.000 I mean, for sure.

02:07:55.000 And he's like, I don't want to run for four more years.

02:07:58.000 He's like, so done with running.

02:08:00.000 So finally now, now he has this goal of running.

02:08:04.000 Under a 230 marathon.

02:08:06.000 So that's in the 220s, which is fucking fast.

02:08:10.000 What's like a world record?

02:08:12.000 Oh, down two hours.

02:08:14.000 Two hours.

02:08:14.000 Right over.

02:08:15.000 When did that become the world record?

02:08:17.000 What did it used to be?

02:08:19.000 What was the world record in 1990?

02:08:20.000 He did it again.

02:08:21.000 Truett Haynes.

02:08:22.000 Boston Marathon, 238.

02:08:24.000 Right.

02:08:24.000 He just beat that on Sunday in Eugene.

02:08:28.000 Nuts.

02:08:29.000 Yeah.

02:08:30.000 So his lowest time is what now?

02:08:33.000 234.

02:08:34.000 But he'll get...

02:08:35.000 And there's Tanner.

02:08:37.000 So Tanner did the Eugene Marathon in the middle at the bottom.

02:08:40.000 That's my oldest son.

02:08:41.000 Wow.

02:08:42.000 With 35 pounds.

02:08:43.000 What?

02:08:44.000 Yeah, so he, and in combat boots.

02:08:46.000 Oh my god.

02:08:47.000 Him and his buddy Jake.

02:08:48.000 That's so crazy.

02:08:50.000 They both wore these big packs and still ran it in the fours.

02:08:54.000 Wow.

02:08:55.000 Yeah, so that's Tanner.

02:08:56.000 With combat boots.

02:08:57.000 That's fucking nuts.

02:08:59.000 So these guys, Truist's wearing jeans and a wife beater.

02:09:03.000 Tanner's in a pack and...

02:09:04.000 Hunting and combat boots.

02:09:06.000 Hilarious.

02:09:07.000 I wonder how the normies view that.

02:09:09.000 I wonder if that bothers them.

02:09:11.000 All those dorks.

02:09:12.000 No, the elite runners hate people like Truett.

02:09:16.000 They call them run-fluencers.

02:09:21.000 Because part of it is the elites work so hard, they're so good, and it's hard to get a following when you're just a runner.

02:09:31.000 So they see this guy, and they're like, They can beat them because they're world class going to the Olympics.

02:09:38.000 So Truett isn't there yet, but they're like, this fucking jack dork is running and getting all this.

02:09:47.000 There's articles on them everywhere.

02:09:49.000 And so that's why it's kind of the gatekeeping thing.

02:09:52.000 Well, that's funny because then the haters work for them because it's unbelievably impressive.

02:09:57.000 It's impressive.

02:09:58.000 I don't give a fuck what you say.

02:09:59.000 Oh, I don't like these people.

02:10:00.000 They're the run fluencers.

02:10:01.000 Come on, man.

02:10:02.000 The guy has the world chin-up record.

02:10:04.000 He's obviously a freak.

02:10:05.000 He's obviously doing something that's very, very extraordinary.

02:10:09.000 And if you don't want that because it's for us, it's only for us.

02:10:15.000 Yeah.

02:10:19.000 You're supposed to be skinny.

02:10:23.000 Fuck off.

02:10:24.000 Yeah, they don't.

02:10:25.000 So Truett and Eugene got...

02:10:28.000 25th place.

02:10:29.000 I mean, Eugene is like the running capital of the world, but...

02:10:32.000 The times have changed over the last hundred years.

02:10:34.000 Interesting.

02:10:35.000 So in 1908, it was 2 hours and 55 minutes.

02:10:37.000 So in 1908, Truett would have the world record.

02:10:40.000 In 1956, down to 2 hours and 17 minutes.

02:10:44.000 So 50 years later.

02:10:46.000 2003, 2 hours and 4 minutes.

02:10:48.000 And then 2018, 2 hours and 1 minute.

02:10:50.000 So between 3 and 18, in 15 years, they only lost 3 minutes.

02:10:55.000 Isn't that wild?

02:10:56.000 Yeah.

02:10:57.000 I mean, you're just not going to get those big gains after...

02:11:00.000 Right.

02:11:01.000 I mean, someone would have to be a fucking freak to drop under two hours, right?

02:11:06.000 So they did this with...

02:11:08.000 I think he got under two hours here.

02:11:11.000 Wow.

02:11:12.000 And he had all these pacers and people breaking the wind for him.

02:11:15.000 Oh, is that different?

02:11:16.000 I think it's Kipchoge.

02:11:18.000 Yeah, he's like in white.

02:11:20.000 That doesn't count as much?

02:11:22.000 Someone's breaking the wind for you?

02:11:23.000 Right.

02:11:23.000 You can't have official pacers just...

02:11:26.000 If you're not racing them...

02:11:27.000 Oh, they were pacers for him.

02:11:29.000 Just for him.

02:11:30.000 This is the Ineos pace challenge.

02:11:34.000 So Ineos is that company that makes that Grenadier.

02:11:37.000 Have you seen that truck?

02:11:38.000 No.

02:11:39.000 It's kind of a funny story.

02:11:40.000 Ineos is like a chemical company and the guy loved Range Rover Land Cruiser Defenders and wanted to remake them when they stopped making them.

02:11:50.000 They said no.

02:11:51.000 He's like tried to buy their factory.

02:11:53.000 They're like, no.

02:11:53.000 So he's like, okay.

02:11:55.000 I'll make my own.

02:11:56.000 So he basically made a better defender.

02:12:00.000 So these are new trucks that are way more durable, way better quality than those.

02:12:07.000 If you get one of those classic Defenders, they look cool.

02:12:10.000 But when you shut the door on them, it feels like you're closing a garbage can.

02:12:14.000 Oh, I see.

02:12:15.000 They feel like junk.

02:12:16.000 They feel like these things are tanks.

02:12:18.000 These are built, huh?

02:12:19.000 Well, they're built specifically for off-roading.

02:12:22.000 Oh, I see.

02:12:23.000 But it's a brand new truck.

02:12:25.000 I've never heard of them.

02:12:27.000 Right.

02:12:27.000 I know.

02:12:28.000 It looks like a classic Defender, but it's actually way better.

02:12:32.000 Way better.

02:12:34.000 I saw one in the flesh.

02:12:35.000 I was like, oh, this thing is super legit.

02:12:38.000 Heavier gauge steel, like really tight tolerances, and I've watched a bunch of videos on them.

02:12:44.000 They're all outfitted.

02:12:45.000 Like you could take one of those hunting for sure.

02:12:48.000 They're outfitted with electricity, like in the back.

02:12:51.000 They're all set up where you could put like coolers back there, like a little refrigerator.

02:12:56.000 Pretty sick.

02:12:57.000 Yeah, and they're literally from the factory set up for outdoors.

02:13:03.000 Like, you don't have to do nothing to them.

02:13:05.000 You could take them, do Moab with them, take them out into the fucking woods.

02:13:10.000 We could still have Hennessy, like, sweet them up a little bit.

02:13:14.000 Yeah, it doesn't have nearly the kind of horsepower that a Raptor has or anything like that.

02:13:20.000 I think they only have like 300 horsepower or 280, which is not a lot, but it's the durability of the things, like the purpose-built.

02:13:28.000 So that's the same company, Ineos.

02:13:31.000 Okay.

02:13:32.000 That's the pace challenge.

02:13:34.000 That race.

02:13:34.000 Yeah, that's what that company is.

02:13:36.000 Yeah.

02:13:37.000 So the goal was to try to break two hours in that race.

02:13:40.000 So he did.

02:13:40.000 He got down to 159, but with pacers.

02:13:43.000 Yeah.

02:13:43.000 So it's possible for someone to do that without a pacer.

02:13:47.000 That's what it kind of showed.

02:13:48.000 Seems like it.

02:13:49.000 Yeah.

02:13:50.000 That's so crazy.

02:13:51.000 It's super fast.

02:13:52.000 That's so crazy.

02:13:53.000 Super fast.

02:13:54.000 Yeah.

02:13:55.000 It's like what won Eugene was 217.

02:13:59.000 So still like what was the world record back in, what was that, the 50s?

02:14:03.000 Yeah.

02:14:03.000 That's what won Eugene still.

02:14:05.000 So that'll still win most marathons.

02:14:07.000 Yeah.

02:14:09.000 Fuck.

02:14:10.000 Yeah.

02:14:10.000 It's flying.

02:14:11.000 And the amount of work you have to do to get to that fast.

02:14:15.000 That's what I do.

02:14:17.000 Sympathize with the pro runners because the work you have to put in to be elite.

02:14:23.000 Whatever.

02:14:24.000 You get what you deserve.

02:14:27.000 This is what you get in life.

02:14:28.000 What you deserve.

02:14:30.000 Yeah, hey, throw some jeans on if you don't like it.

02:14:32.000 Yeah, you don't like the fact that he's getting attention because he's a handsome guy who's jacked, who's wearing jeans.

02:14:36.000 Fuck off.

02:14:38.000 Do you think Courtney cares about that?

02:14:39.000 No.

02:14:40.000 Right?

02:14:40.000 Do you think she would be focusing on other people?

02:14:43.000 That's people that want more than they're getting.

02:14:46.000 What about me?

02:14:48.000 I'm winning.

02:14:49.000 No one cares.

02:14:54.000 Well, we have gatekeepers in hunting, too.

02:14:56.000 I don't know if you knew that.

02:14:57.000 Yeah, allegedly.

02:14:59.000 There's gatekeepers in everything.

02:15:00.000 Well, there's always people that compare themselves to other people, and then they don't like what they find, so they try to find flaws in that other person.

02:15:08.000 That's what it is.

02:15:11.000 But there's that with literature, filmmaking, music, comedy.

02:15:16.000 Fill in the blanks.

02:15:17.000 There's always bitches.

02:15:19.000 There's always bitches out there.

02:15:21.000 And what do bitches do?

02:15:22.000 They bit.

02:15:23.000 They bitch about everything.

02:15:25.000 Sub 230 marathon in 2025 or die.

02:15:30.000 Yeah, so he's going to get it.

02:15:33.000 I mean, there's no doubt he's going to get it.

02:15:36.000 He broke the world pull-up record.

02:15:37.000 He did 10,000 pull-ups in 24 hours.

02:15:40.000 That's nuts.

02:15:41.000 And so people are saying, like, oh, PEDs or EP...

02:15:46.000 It's like, we were breakfast after the marathon.

02:15:48.000 I'm like, I don't even know what the fuck EPO stands for.

02:15:52.000 Do you?

02:15:53.000 I don't know, but I know what it does.

02:15:55.000 Well, it's supposed to make more red blood cells, right?

02:15:57.000 Yeah, that's what a lot of the Tour de France people were doing.

02:16:02.000 Yeah, that's as much as I know about it.

02:16:06.000 So I'm like, we were at breakfast and I'm like, do you think somebody in fucking Springfield, Oregon has EPO?

02:16:12.000 What are you guys talking about?

02:16:13.000 You could get it, but...

02:16:15.000 I don't think he's on it.

02:16:16.000 But the thing is, fighters have been popped for it.

02:16:18.000 EPO is real.

02:16:20.000 I think that's actually what TJ Dillashaw got popped for.

02:16:24.000 Oh, is that?

02:16:24.000 Yes.

02:16:25.000 When TJ Dillashaw fought Henry Cejudo when he got all the way down to flyweight.

02:16:29.000 The thing about that, though, is I understand why TJ did that.

02:16:34.000 Because TJ was literally starving himself to death.

02:16:36.000 Oh, he's trying to get to 125.

02:16:38.000 Yes.

02:16:39.000 Starving himself to death.

02:16:42.000 Because he would have to cut a lot of weight to make 135, so he had this idea that he was going to become a two-division champion and drop down at 25. And he was just a dead man.

02:16:51.000 He had nothing left.

02:16:52.000 And it probably shortened his career.

02:16:54.000 It really probably did.

02:16:56.000 Because he looked like hell.

02:16:58.000 And then Henry Cejudo took him out in the first round.

02:17:01.000 You know, when you put...

02:17:03.000 So, I'm not trying to compare me at all, but I was losing weight.

02:17:10.000 Intentionally trying to get lighter for these races coming up.

02:17:13.000 So my same theory of burning 4,000, eating 3,000.

02:17:19.000 So 1,000 calorie deficit a day.

02:17:22.000 Which is fine for regular life.

02:17:24.000 But I was also running 100 miles a week.

02:17:28.000 That's what my ham...

02:17:29.000 My body just wasn't getting what it needed, but I was still trying to push hard.

02:17:33.000 Right.

02:17:34.000 That's why I got injured.

02:17:35.000 What did you want your goal weight to be?

02:17:38.000 55. So at 155, then you feel like it's easier to run.

02:17:43.000 What's the most you've ever weighed and run like a 100 miler?

02:17:47.000 Oh, probably like 80. 180?

02:17:50.000 Yeah.

02:17:50.000 What was that like?

02:17:51.000 It was hard?

02:17:51.000 Yeah.

02:17:52.000 Because I think about that a lot of times when I'm wearing my weight vest, because I have one of those Outdoorsman's packs, so it's got the post on the back, and I put a 45-pound plate on it.

02:18:03.000 And so the pack probably weighs like 5 pounds, and then the plates, so it's 50 pounds.

02:18:08.000 That's like a normal thing that people have to lose.

02:18:11.000 It's a normal thing.

02:18:12.000 And I'm walking up hills with this thing, and I'm like, this sucks.

02:18:16.000 This sucks, and this isn't even that heavy.

02:18:19.000 And some people, they have to lose 100 pounds.

02:18:21.000 Like, what do your joints feel like, man?

02:18:24.000 Because it hurts my feet.

02:18:25.000 Yeah.

02:18:26.000 I mean, you saw it.

02:18:26.000 Jelly Roll's lost like 200 now.

02:18:28.000 I know.

02:18:29.000 200 pounds.

02:18:30.000 He threw his phone away.

02:18:32.000 He threw his phone away.

02:18:33.000 Did he get it back?

02:18:34.000 I think he got it back.

02:18:35.000 Oh, no.

02:18:35.000 I've been seeing some social media posts.

02:18:37.000 Well, I think he's got a guy who does that.

02:18:39.000 Oh, yeah.

02:18:40.000 That might be.

02:18:41.000 Yeah, because I reached out to him, and it came up green.

02:18:44.000 I was like, hmm, that's weird.

02:18:45.000 Yeah, I did, too.

02:18:46.000 And so then I reached out to him on Instagram, and his social media guy says, I'll get this message to Jelly Roll, but he got rid of his phone.

02:18:52.000 Oh, good.

02:18:53.000 Because he had the same phone forever, and, you know, years of...

02:18:57.000 He's the opposite of Bert.

02:19:27.000 He's the nicest fucking guy ever.

02:19:30.000 He's not the opposite of Burt.

02:19:31.000 Burt took his weight.

02:19:32.000 They're going to meet in the middle.

02:19:35.000 He's still got some ways to go.

02:19:37.000 Burt will get, he'll be back on, and I do have to give Burt props.

02:19:41.000 He is strong.

02:19:42.000 Oh, he's strong.

02:19:43.000 He's strong.

02:19:44.000 So he benched a lot.

02:19:45.000 He beat me in benching.

02:19:47.000 Did he really?

02:19:47.000 Yeah.

02:19:48.000 What did he bench?

02:19:49.000 He did like 225, like 13 times, 10 times, something like that.

02:19:55.000 Yeah.

02:19:55.000 That's impressive because back in the sober October days when we were talking about when he had that challenge, he couldn't do it once.

02:20:01.000 Really?

02:20:02.000 Yeah, he couldn't do 225 once.

02:20:04.000 Because we all had like this little contest, like who can do 225?

02:20:07.000 And he couldn't do it at all.

02:20:09.000 He's on PEDs.

02:20:10.000 Yeah, he is for sure.

02:20:11.000 He's definitely on testosterone.

02:20:13.000 No, he's strong.

02:20:14.000 But he works hard.

02:20:15.000 And he...

02:20:16.000 He just drinks hard too.

02:20:17.000 I think I heard him say on here that he did pull back my 80-pound bow.

02:20:22.000 Did he?

02:20:22.000 Yeah.

02:20:23.000 That's impressive.

02:20:24.000 I know.

02:20:25.000 I'm telling you, he's pretty strong.

02:20:26.000 Because you know who couldn't pull back my bow?

02:20:28.000 Alexander Gustafson.

02:20:29.000 Really?

02:20:29.000 He fought in the UFC at 205.

02:20:31.000 Yeah, he's huge.

02:20:32.000 Yeah, he couldn't pull the bow back.

02:20:33.000 Pulling a bow.

02:20:34.000 He's like, is there a trick to this?

02:20:35.000 I go, no, here's the trick.

02:20:37.000 Just pull that fucker back.

02:20:38.000 Pull that fucker back.

02:20:39.000 I do it 100 times a day.

02:20:41.000 Yeah, I mean, if people haven't done it, it's tough.

02:20:45.000 Started incorporating, and this is probably a good thing for anybody who shoots archery a lot, to do.

02:20:51.000 I started incorporating what you told me, which was cable rows standing up while holding a 10-pound weight.

02:20:57.000 and it's making a world of difference because I was developing a pretty severe imbalance and then by being a meathead I was pushing through this tendon pain that I was developing on my right lower side from just stabilizing and holding this 85 pound bow all these reps only Right.

02:21:22.000 switching it over however many times I pull the bow back with my right arm I'll do that same amount with cable rows while holding this 10 pound weight out and it's made All the difference in the world.

02:21:33.000 Because now I have tendon problems on my left side too.

02:21:35.000 So it balances it out.

02:21:37.000 Perfect.

02:21:38.000 Not really.

02:21:39.000 It's not.

02:21:39.000 But I do feel like a lot of soreness on that side when I do these long sessions.

02:21:44.000 I'm hitting it.

02:21:44.000 You're hitting it at least.

02:21:45.000 And then I'm doing a lot of back extensions.

02:21:47.000 And here's the big one.

02:21:48.000 That reverse hyper.

02:21:50.000 You know, I've talked about that machine before.

02:21:52.000 That machine is a goddamn life changer.

02:21:55.000 But dude, you have everything here.

02:21:57.000 It's nice.

02:21:58.000 I have to go to four different places to get everything you have here.

02:22:03.000 Yeah, the gym is pretty sweet.

02:22:04.000 It's set up real nice.

02:22:06.000 That reverse hyper is so big, though, because it pulls the back.

02:22:11.000 It's decompressing on the downswing.

02:22:13.000 And when you stack the weight on there, I like to get about...

02:22:17.000 So I have two 45s on each side, and lately I've been sticking an additional 25 on each side.

02:22:24.000 So a lot of weight.

02:22:25.000 Yeah.

02:22:25.000 So you're doing this swing up, so it strengthens the hamstrings and the lower back muscles, and then on a swing down, it's like pulling it, like stretching it out.

02:22:35.000 And then I like to do that DEX machine where you hang from your hips, you swing down, and you're just decompressing the back.

02:22:42.000 Yep.

02:22:42.000 And I've been doing deep stretches in the sauna.

02:22:46.000 Every day.

02:22:48.000 Every day.

02:22:49.000 Instead of just sitting in the sauna for 25 minutes, now I'm doing like heavy stretches.

02:22:54.000 It's fucking so hard to do when it's 195 in there.

02:22:59.000 Do you do the water?

02:23:01.000 No.

02:23:02.000 What?

02:23:03.000 You gotta do the steam, dude.

02:23:04.000 It's so hot in there, dude.

02:23:05.000 I do it same thing, but you gotta do the water.

02:23:07.000 Are you stretching?

02:23:08.000 No.

02:23:09.000 You don't even stretch it.

02:23:10.000 That's how you blew out your hamstring.

02:23:11.000 Do you do push-ups in there?

02:23:13.000 Sometimes.

02:23:14.000 I want to get an exercise bike in there.

02:23:17.000 I know people.

02:23:19.000 Mine is too narrow.

02:23:20.000 There's one that's a sauna that's set up that way.

02:23:24.000 It's called a Fit Sauna or something like that.

02:23:26.000 Laird Hamilton has an Airdyne bike in his.

02:23:29.000 He's got oven mitts.

02:23:30.000 He puts oven mitts on and rides the Airdyne with oven mitts.

02:23:33.000 That would be sick, dude.

02:23:34.000 That would be sick.

02:23:35.000 Yeah.

02:23:36.000 I love doing the sauna then right into the cold plunge.

02:23:39.000 Yeah, it's nice.

02:23:40.000 It's nice.

02:23:41.000 That's my...

02:23:41.000 I do...

02:23:42.000 I'm almost always doing the cold plunge first.

02:23:44.000 That's the beginning of the workout is cold plunge.

02:23:47.000 And then this whole body weight thing that I do just to warm back up, 100 push-ups, 100 sit-ups.

02:23:52.000 And now I added 100 kettlebell swings.

02:23:55.000 Okay.

02:23:55.000 So I do three sets of 20, three sets of 20, three sets...

02:23:58.000 Or five sets of 20, five sets of 20, five sets of 20. But I do them like one, two, three.

02:24:02.000 So I do like first push-ups, then body weight's got...

02:24:06.000 And then I do five.

02:24:07.000 Five cycles.

02:24:08.000 So it's 100 events.

02:24:08.000 And then by that time, I'm warmed up.

02:24:11.000 It's like 15, 20 minutes later.

02:24:12.000 So 500 reps or how many movements?

02:24:15.000 Three movements, 100 each, 300 reps.

02:24:18.000 So 300, you know, 100 swings, 100 push-ups, 100 bodyweight squats.

02:24:23.000 And then did I hear no drinking anymore?

02:24:25.000 No drinking for like two plus months now.

02:24:27.000 Yeah.

02:24:28.000 I'm never going back.

02:24:29.000 I mean, I will, maybe I'll have a glass of wine somewhere if I feel like it.

02:24:33.000 Like I'm not an alcoholic.

02:24:35.000 Yeah.

02:24:37.000 I feel stupid for waiting this long.

02:24:39.000 Yeah.

02:24:40.000 Because, like, I would have these days, like, because, you know, I have a nightclub, I have a bar.

02:24:44.000 We go to the club, we do some shows, have a couple of cocktails with the boys, have a bunch of laughs, do a podcast, have some whiskey, have some laughs, and then the next day, like, ugh.

02:24:55.000 Yeah.

02:24:55.000 And I'd be going through my workouts going, oh, you fucking moron, what have you done?

02:24:59.000 Yeah.

02:25:00.000 And, you know, and I...

02:25:01.000 You know, do the hyperbaric and drink a lot of electrolytes and try to flush it out.

02:25:06.000 But if you're concentrating on improving your health and your fitness, why are you poisoning yourself?

02:25:14.000 Yeah, sabotaging yourself.

02:25:16.000 But you also start thinking, well, that's the only way to have fun.

02:25:18.000 You have to have fun, too.

02:25:19.000 But no, it's not changing my fun.

02:25:22.000 Goggins doesn't have fun.

02:25:24.000 Well, he's different.

02:25:25.000 He's not having fun.

02:25:26.000 He's not trying to have fun.

02:25:27.000 I'm trying to have fun.

02:25:28.000 Part of my job is fun.

02:25:31.000 Fun is a prerequisite.

02:25:33.000 As a comedian, you have to be having fun.

02:25:36.000 As part of the fun of comedy is enjoying it.

02:25:40.000 You enjoy it.

02:25:41.000 They enjoy it.

02:25:41.000 Everybody enjoys it.

02:25:42.000 It's fun.

02:25:43.000 And so I thought maybe it would be less fun if I was sober.

02:25:46.000 It's not.

02:25:47.000 It's not any less fun sober.

02:25:49.000 It's just as fun.

02:25:50.000 And it's just, I feel better.

02:25:52.000 And this is one of the things that I've always tried to tell all these comedians.

02:25:57.000 And, you know, I bring a bunch of them in here and work out with them.

02:26:00.000 And we have these comedian workout sessions that we're doing.

02:26:03.000 And, you know, Shane comes in here all the time and works out on his own.

02:26:06.000 And so does Derek and Hassan and all these guys from the club.

02:26:10.000 If you have more energy, you will have more energy on stage.

02:26:15.000 If you have more energy, you could do more shows.

02:26:17.000 You could do multiple shows a night and you don't get fatigued.

02:26:20.000 It carries over into comedy.

02:26:23.000 Your body...

02:26:25.000 And your brain are inexorably connected.

02:26:28.000 If your body functions better, your brain will function better.

02:26:30.000 It's not rocket science.

02:26:32.000 It's real simple.

02:26:33.000 It's just nobody wants to do it.

02:26:35.000 You can be the best comedian ever and never lift up weight and never work out.

02:26:40.000 But if the best comedian ever did that too, I bet they would be better.

02:26:44.000 I bet they'd be better at everything in life.

02:26:46.000 I would think.

02:26:47.000 It doesn't mean that like the best person has to do that.

02:26:50.000 Otherwise you won't be the best person No, there could be someone who's just so funny.

02:26:54.000 It doesn't matter.

02:26:55.000 They could be fat as fuck Yeah, I just I mean On a different level,

02:27:16.000 it's like when I was trying to lose that weight to get lighter, I came here, the last time I saw you, we saw you at ways too well, but I try to do everything perfect.

02:27:26.000 But just being on the road, traveling to Texas and going back, I could not get my body weight back down for like four days.

02:27:33.000 Wow.

02:27:34.000 And it's not like I was drinking or eating donuts.

02:27:37.000 Just road food?

02:27:38.000 Yeah, just, you know, you go to that.

02:27:40.000 That steak place at the hotel I'm staying at, really good.

02:27:44.000 Remember those big steaks we had?

02:27:45.000 Yeah.

02:27:46.000 And I'm like eating this meat going, how much fucking sugar is on this thing?

02:27:50.000 I mean, they put brown sugar on it.

02:27:53.000 That's why it tastes so good.

02:27:54.000 Which place is that?

02:27:55.000 You ate there.

02:27:56.000 Which place is that?

02:27:57.000 Me, you, Evan, and Tyler.

02:27:59.000 Right.

02:27:59.000 Is that Omni?

02:28:01.000 Barton Creek Omni?

02:28:02.000 Right.

02:28:03.000 Oh, Bob's.

02:28:04.000 Bob's.

02:28:04.000 No, they don't put sugar on their steaks.

02:28:07.000 Something is on there.

02:28:08.000 Well, you're eating that carrot.

02:28:10.000 That carrot seems to be glazed.

02:28:12.000 I never ate that fucking carrot.

02:28:12.000 That carrot's awesome.

02:28:13.000 That carrot's the size of a football.

02:28:15.000 Like, what fucking lab in China are they growing them carrots?

02:28:18.000 I know.

02:28:19.000 Okay.

02:28:19.000 But the meat has to have sugar on it.

02:28:23.000 Really?

02:28:23.000 It's too good.

02:28:24.000 No.

02:28:25.000 Yes.

02:28:25.000 I don't think so.

02:28:26.000 Okay.

02:28:27.000 Well, then why could I not get my body weight back down?

02:28:29.000 I think you're eating mashed potatoes and stuff, too.

02:28:31.000 You're eating a bunch of other stuff, as well.

02:28:33.000 I don't think their steaks have sugar on them.

02:28:35.000 I think they do.

02:28:38.000 RFK thinks they do, too.

02:28:41.000 He's banning them.

02:28:42.000 He's banning Bob's.

02:28:43.000 There's so many good restaurants out here.

02:28:45.000 Yeah, there is.

02:28:46.000 This fucking town has so many good places to eat.

02:28:49.000 Yeah, but my point was, if you deviate a little bit from a disciplined, perfect diet, it takes a while.

02:28:56.000 So your body is...

02:28:57.000 Point is, to all that, your body's so fucking sensitive.

02:29:01.000 When you get so dialed in on everything, man, you really...

02:29:06.000 Realize how little it takes to throw you off.

02:29:09.000 So imagine drinking.

02:29:10.000 Fucking poison.

02:29:12.000 Everybody I know that has an aura ring or wears a whoop strap, if you wear a whoop strap, it'll show you how much you recovered through the night.

02:29:22.000 And if you drink...

02:29:23.000 You will notice a big dip if you have one cocktail.

02:29:27.000 One cocktail will be a big dip in the amount of recovery you have.

02:29:31.000 And you won't even notice it.

02:29:32.000 You'll be like, ah, I wasn't even drunk.

02:29:34.000 Well, if you're not trying to perform and do something, you won't notice it.

02:29:38.000 Like a regular person at a regular job, maybe you'll feel like a little sluggish.

02:29:43.000 But it's when you start to like...

02:29:46.000 Work out and perform and run and you're like looking at these times or you're on the scale and you're like what the fuck is going on?

02:29:52.000 Yeah.

02:29:53.000 Yeah.

02:29:53.000 Crazy.

02:29:54.000 Well, most people are just used to feeling like garbage.

02:29:56.000 Well, think about most people's diet.

02:29:58.000 And if they just cleaned up their diet and then just cut out all the nonsense, cut out all the processed food, cut out all the sugar, cut out all the sugary drinks, and just drink water and eat healthy, pure, whole foods, you would feel so much better.

02:30:13.000 But most people aren't doing that.

02:30:14.000 So they're accustomed.

02:30:16.000 They think this is what you're supposed to feel like.

02:30:18.000 This is life.

02:30:19.000 It's like having water in your ear, and you forget, and then it pops, and you're like, oh, fuck, I can hear now.

02:30:26.000 They're walking through life.

02:30:27.000 With water in their ear.

02:30:28.000 And they think this is what it sounds like.

02:30:30.000 But it's just, you're poisoning yourself.

02:30:32.000 Yeah.

02:30:33.000 If you're eating the standard American diet, if you're eating fucking burgers and fries, drinking soda, and eating candy, you are poisoning yourself.

02:30:41.000 I went, I was coming back from Iran and I don't, I think I was dying of thirst.

02:30:46.000 So I usually take like a visa in my shorts so I can buy something.

02:30:50.000 But anyway, I went into Fred Meyer back there at home and I never go shopping.

02:30:54.000 I don't even remember the last time I was in a grocery store.

02:30:58.000 But I was walking down the aisles of a regular grocery store, and I was like...

02:31:03.000 Holy shit, I want to eat all this stuff.

02:31:05.000 It's fucking terrible, but it's bright colors.

02:31:11.000 Every aisle, I don't know what I was looking for.

02:31:14.000 Supposedly something to drink, but I don't know what.

02:31:16.000 But I just kept walking down the aisles going, I haven't eaten any of this shit in so long, but it looks so good.

02:31:21.000 And then I was thinking, that's what most people are buying and eating.

02:31:25.000 The shit.

02:31:26.000 No wonder you feel terrible.

02:31:29.000 Yeah, most of what you're eating in the supermarket, most of what you can buy in the supermarket is terrible for you.

02:31:35.000 The whole center area is all bullshit.

02:31:39.000 Unless it's like tomato sauce or whatever.

02:31:41.000 And even that, a lot of that has seed oils in it if you buy it from a shitty company.

02:31:45.000 It's a lot of garbage.

02:31:47.000 People are eating a lot of garbage.

02:31:48.000 And that's the average person.

02:31:51.000 And then you have a doctor, like, you don't need vitamins.

02:31:55.000 Just have a balanced diet.

02:31:57.000 Shut up, you fucking slob.

02:31:59.000 You doughy sack of shit with old information.

02:32:02.000 Well, so here's the point.

02:32:04.000 I just remembered my point.

02:32:05.000 So I was trying to buy...

02:32:08.000 Donuts, because I was doing an ultramarathon the next day.

02:32:10.000 So you saw me and Courtney running.

02:32:12.000 Normally, it doesn't matter what type of calories when you're working that hard.

02:32:15.000 You just need calories and salt.

02:32:17.000 And sugar.

02:32:18.000 So I'm like, I'm going to get some old-fashioned donuts because I was going to do this 50K.

02:32:21.000 I'm like, that would be perfect calories.

02:32:24.000 So you know where I found the donuts?

02:32:25.000 And the fucking produce over there with the vegetables.

02:32:28.000 So they're like hiding little treasures.

02:32:31.000 You're trying to be healthy.

02:32:33.000 Like, I'll get a fucking apple.

02:32:35.000 Then you're like, look at an old-fashioned donut.

02:32:37.000 You're like, fuck this apple.

02:32:39.000 I'm going to get these donuts.

02:32:40.000 So they still sabotage you.

02:32:42.000 Yeah, I wonder if there's like a marketing strategy involved in that.

02:32:45.000 I wonder if they had like a meeting.

02:32:46.000 Like, look, people are trying to eat well, but we can fuck them.

02:32:50.000 The algorithm.

02:32:51.000 Yeah, it's like the algorithm.

02:32:53.000 It really is kind of like the algorithm.

02:32:54.000 They're predicting everything.

02:32:55.000 That's the other thing I've been doing.

02:32:56.000 I'm basically off of social media.

02:32:58.000 All I'm doing is...

02:33:00.000 I still allow myself to look at it if I'm taking a shit.

02:33:04.000 But I try not to, like, linger.

02:33:06.000 So now, every time you send me something, I know you're shitting?

02:33:09.000 Most likely.

02:33:10.000 Or someone sends me something.

02:33:12.000 That's going to taint it.

02:33:12.000 Or someone said, well, I didn't send you, I sent you YouTube videos.

02:33:15.000 That's different.

02:33:16.000 Okay.

02:33:16.000 I was watching that actually at home on TV.

02:33:19.000 Okay.

02:33:20.000 I was watching that on the big screen.

02:33:21.000 Yeah.

02:33:22.000 Because, you know, I was interested like last night in watching like some, you know, every night is a different, if I get like some downtime and I can relax a little bit and watch something on TV.

02:33:33.000 Sometimes I like watching a show, you know, a fiction show like Mobland or something like that.

02:33:39.000 Sometimes I get on these kicks where I want to watch certain things.

02:33:42.000 Last night was like old school fighters training.

02:33:45.000 I went down this rabbit hole.

02:33:48.000 I watched old school Sugar Ray Robinson too.

02:33:51.000 That was amazing.

02:33:52.000 He was another one.

02:33:53.000 Super dedicated to his craft.

02:33:56.000 Again, trained harder than anybody, but also trained smarter.

02:34:00.000 He would move different than people because he was a dancer.

02:34:03.000 He actually retired from fighting for a brief period of time just to be a dancer and perform.

02:34:08.000 Like in dance shows.

02:34:10.000 Wow.

02:34:11.000 And then went back to fighting.

02:34:12.000 So he could move, man.

02:34:14.000 And footwork.

02:34:15.000 Yeah.

02:34:15.000 But it was intentional.

02:34:17.000 It was all like there were certain moves that he had programmed into his footwork and movement and his balance, his ability to get out of the way.

02:34:26.000 And he was fighting at a time where those guys were fighting every couple of weeks.

02:34:30.000 Yeah.

02:34:31.000 They fought a lot.

02:34:32.000 Crazy.

02:34:33.000 What's your...

02:34:34.000 So you said fighting sometimes, but what is your go-to on YouTube?

02:34:38.000 Do you think you watch most?

02:34:40.000 If I want to just zone out, it's professional pool.

02:34:44.000 I like watching professional pool.

02:34:46.000 That's my number one addiction, is playing pool.

02:34:50.000 So that comes up on your recommended list on YouTube?

02:34:52.000 Yeah, mostly pool, and then ancient civilizations.

02:34:55.000 Ancient civilizations is number two.

02:34:58.000 I love watching videos on these mysteries where they're just uncovering...

02:35:02.000 I was watching this whole thing in Malta, about Malta the other day, where they found these elongated skulls in Malta that are missing the characteristics of a normal human skull.

02:35:14.000 So a normal human skull has...

02:35:17.000 I think it's called a sagittal crest.

02:35:18.000 There's a line that goes down the middle like this.

02:35:22.000 As you're growing as a baby, you have these...

02:35:28.000 Plates in your head that move around and they expand as your head grows and there's like lines.

02:35:34.000 So there's a line that goes straight and there's a line that goes like this across.

02:35:38.000 These heads don't have that.

02:35:41.000 They don't have the line that goes straight.

02:35:43.000 But they're elongated human skulls and they have a line that goes in the back but they don't have the line that goes down the center.

02:35:50.000 And they're trying to like make sense of this.

02:35:53.000 Like what is this?

02:35:55.000 What is this?

02:35:55.000 And Malta.

02:35:57.000 Is a giant mystery.

02:35:59.000 Like Malta is this island that used to be at one point in time before the flood.

02:36:04.000 It was connected to Sicily.

02:36:05.000 And they know Neanderthals lived there like thousands of years before, you know, recorded civilization.

02:36:12.000 But they didn't think Homo sapiens did.

02:36:15.000 But they found these elongated skulls that are different than any human skull.

02:36:19.000 Then they found these incredible stone constructions.

02:36:23.000 These stone buildings and immense stones that have crazy erosion on them that they think is more than 6,000 years of erosion.

02:36:34.000 So they're trying to figure out, like, what happened?

02:36:36.000 Like, what is this?

02:36:37.000 How old is this?

02:36:38.000 Is this from before the flood?

02:36:39.000 Is this before the Ice Age?

02:36:42.000 Like, what the fuck is this stuff?

02:36:44.000 And why are these elongated skulls there?

02:36:47.000 Yeah, that's nuts.

02:36:49.000 Bizarre stuff.

02:36:51.000 Bizarre stuff.

02:36:52.000 Because it's like...

02:36:53.000 There's so many mysteries in terms of, like, the human race and how long people have been building things.

02:37:01.000 And every now and then they'll uncover something that pushes everything back.

02:37:05.000 Like, they used to think the first people in North America were, like, 13,000 years ago.

02:37:08.000 It was Clovis first.

02:37:09.000 Then they found these footprints in New Mexico that are 22,000 years old.

02:37:13.000 So, like, well, okay.

02:37:15.000 Scratch that.

02:37:16.000 Well, that's not number one.

02:37:18.000 That's not, like, the first person to come here.

02:37:20.000 There's, like, probably people even before that.

02:37:22.000 But there's very little information.

02:37:25.000 And then there's this, like, crazy stone wall that they found in Montana.

02:37:30.000 And it was on private property.

02:37:32.000 And no one even knew it was there.

02:37:35.000 And these people, they just were clearing some land, and they found this fucking wall.

02:37:42.000 I think it's called the Sage Wall in Montana.

02:37:45.000 But these immense stones that looks like they were placed there, who knows how long.

02:37:51.000 And there's people arguing, oh, this is like natural.

02:37:54.000 This.

02:37:54.000 This is it.

02:37:55.000 Whoa.

02:37:55.000 What the fuck is that, dude?

02:37:57.000 So that was all covered with trees.

02:37:59.000 By the way, it goes deep into the ground, too.

02:38:01.000 It goes like 10 feet deep into the ground.

02:38:03.000 Wow.

02:38:04.000 So they're like, okay, is this a natural formation?

02:38:07.000 Yeah.

02:38:07.000 It doesn't look natural.

02:38:09.000 It looks like human beings placed those stones.

02:38:12.000 Yeah, it looks like it was placed there.

02:38:15.000 It's really weird, man.

02:38:16.000 And look, there's weird stuff about it.

02:38:19.000 That's definitely something.

02:38:20.000 Someone made that.

02:38:22.000 That has a circle that's carved into it, and then there's that sort of structure that looks like it's the outline of it.

02:38:30.000 Right.

02:38:30.000 So there's a lot of arguments.

02:38:33.000 That one photograph right there, that photograph's fucking crazy.

02:38:36.000 It looks fake.

02:38:37.000 Yeah.

02:38:37.000 Is that fake?

02:38:38.000 It looks fake.

02:38:39.000 That one's fake?

02:38:39.000 Are you sure?

02:38:41.000 Well, let's see which one is fake and which one isn't.

02:38:43.000 Because some of them, that one on the upper left hand is definitely real.

02:38:47.000 And these, like I said, these go down deep.

02:38:50.000 You know, they've done like, they've used like machinery or sensors to find out how deep that goes.

02:38:56.000 And it goes like 10 feet down deep into the ground.

02:38:59.000 Look at that one with the rock on top of it.

02:39:01.000 That flat rock up there.

02:39:02.000 Like, what is that?

02:39:03.000 Yeah.

02:39:04.000 There's a lot of weird, weird stuff when it comes to...

02:39:09.000 If this is man-made, how fucking old is that?

02:39:13.000 Like, how old is that?

02:39:14.000 There's nothing else there?

02:39:15.000 Just that wall?

02:39:16.000 Yeah.

02:39:17.000 Or maybe is there other...

02:39:18.000 Because they didn't even know this existed.

02:39:20.000 I think it was until the 90s.

02:39:22.000 Wow.

02:39:22.000 96. 96?

02:39:24.000 Yeah.

02:39:24.000 So, what other stuff is out there that people haven't uncovered that is covered with ground?

02:39:29.000 It's another thing they're finding out about the rainforest.

02:39:32.000 They used to think the Amazon rainforest was like these little patching tribes of people.

02:39:37.000 Well, there's a guy that...

02:39:39.000 visited in the 1500s and he said that there was like these crazy temples and these huge structures and cities with millions of people and then new explorers went a hundred years later and they found none of these things because that fucking first guy probably gave everybody diseases and killed the entire continent which is nuts like probably killed everybody that lived in the Amazon Like the Amazon at one...

02:40:06.000 I was watching another documentary on this the other night.

02:40:08.000 They found...

02:40:09.000 They use LIDAR.

02:40:10.000 So this LIDAR, they fly over it and they use these sensors to detect these structures that are deep in the rainforest that are covered with trees.

02:40:18.000 And they're finding all of these corridors and squares and things that seem to indicate irrigation and structures.

02:40:27.000 And like, this is nuts!

02:40:29.000 So there was like millions of people living in the Amazon and some...

02:40:33.000 Dirty Europeans came over in the 1500s and gave them their cooties, and they all died out.

02:40:40.000 Yeah.

02:40:40.000 Just like what happened with most of the Native Americans.

02:40:43.000 Like, most people think, like, most people don't know, but the Native Americans, like, 90% of the Native Americans were killed by disease.

02:40:51.000 That 90% of the population died off by disease, which is crazy.

02:40:57.000 Yeah.

02:40:57.000 Millions of people living this nomadic life in North America while the Renaissance is going on over in Europe.

02:41:05.000 And these people are using flint arrowheads and nuts.

02:41:09.000 They didn't even have horses.

02:41:11.000 They didn't even have horses until the Europeans came over and brought them.

02:41:14.000 The whole thing's crazy.

02:41:15.000 Yeah, it is.

02:41:17.000 That's what I'm...

02:41:19.000 Watching a lot of.

02:41:20.000 That's your go-to?

02:41:21.000 Yeah, I'm just absolutely fascinated by ancient civilizations.

02:41:26.000 And then these mysteries, like the pyramids and these structures they found under the pyramid.

02:41:33.000 Have you seen that?

02:41:33.000 Yeah.

02:41:34.000 That's crazy.

02:41:35.000 I've heard talk about it, basically.

02:41:37.000 I don't know if it's right.

02:41:38.000 I don't know if it's wrong.

02:41:39.000 I mean, I know some people think it's nonsense, but the researchers seem to think that they've done multiple scans and gotten the same results over and over again, and they're like, whatever these things are, there's pillars, and there's spirals around the pillars, and it goes deep into the ground, and the whole structure's two kilometers deep.

02:42:00.000 Yeah, I think I heard you talk about it, and I heard that I thought...

02:42:04.000 I thought it was fake.

02:42:04.000 Some people think that it can't be real because there's a water table underneath the Great Pyramid.

02:42:10.000 That's what it was.

02:42:11.000 But the question is, is it real and there's a water table?

02:42:14.000 Is this shit in the water?

02:42:16.000 Yeah.

02:42:16.000 Were these people so advanced they built these insane structures two kilometers deep through the water?

02:42:23.000 That'd be nuts.

02:42:25.000 It's nuts that they could make the pyramid.

02:42:27.000 Yeah, I know.

02:42:27.000 That still doesn't make sense.

02:42:29.000 The pyramid itself is nuts.

02:42:30.000 All the structures, the Temple of Luxor, all that stuff is crazy.

02:42:34.000 So if they could make that, why are we assuming that that's the pinnacle of crazy?

02:42:38.000 Like, there might be crazier below the surface.

02:42:42.000 Yeah, we haven't found yet.

02:42:44.000 Right, imagine if everybody thought that the most advanced buildings that were ever created were like...

02:42:50.000 Buildings they built in Chicago in the 1800s.

02:42:52.000 Wow, look at this.

02:42:54.000 What craftsmanship?

02:42:56.000 Boy, people had reached an incredible level of ability.

02:42:59.000 And then someone stumbles upon the pyramid.

02:43:02.000 They go, okay, wait.

02:43:03.000 What the fuck is this?

02:43:05.000 There's 2,300,000 stones in this.

02:43:08.000 And they weigh between 2 and 80 tons.

02:43:10.000 And they're cut from a quarry hundreds of miles away, some of them.

02:43:14.000 Moved through the mountains.

02:43:16.000 Like, how?

02:43:17.000 So that's crazy.

02:43:20.000 And imagine we think, well, this is the height of crazy.

02:43:22.000 When you go under the surface of it, below the ground, what is this two-kilometer deep structure?

02:43:28.000 That's even crazy.

02:43:30.000 That makes that look simple, right?

02:43:32.000 Well, then these people are just moving stones.

02:43:34.000 How the fuck can they get it through the water?

02:43:36.000 What I think of when I hear that is, could you imagine the hunting back then?

02:43:39.000 Oh, my God.

02:43:40.000 It would be fucking epic.

02:43:41.000 Probably.

02:43:42.000 But you have shitty bows.

02:43:44.000 You didn't have a nice bow.

02:43:46.000 You didn't have a bow.

02:43:47.000 Could you imagine?

02:43:47.000 Yeah.

02:43:48.000 If you had a sick bow?

02:43:49.000 Oh, my God.

02:43:50.000 If you had a modern bow back then?

02:43:52.000 Yeah.

02:43:52.000 There's two things that I thought of.

02:43:54.000 But, you know, when bears get old, they get a crease in their skull.

02:43:58.000 Yeah.

02:43:58.000 So it was like when you're talking about that skull, I was wondering if it was age-related.

02:44:03.000 I don't see how the lions would disappear.

02:44:05.000 No, the lions wouldn't disappear.

02:44:06.000 That was the argument of this video that I was watching.

02:44:09.000 See if you can find any of those elongated skulls of Malta.

02:44:13.000 There's a whole bunch of stuff.

02:44:16.000 I'm seeing urban legend.

02:44:18.000 It's been talked about 10 years ago.

02:44:19.000 They were on display.

02:44:20.000 They weren't on display.

02:44:21.000 Yeah, but they're definitely not an urban legend.

02:44:24.000 I was watching an actual archaeologist discussing these things.

02:44:28.000 And then there was an alternative guy that was discussing and saying, That the issue is with these lines in the skull don't exist in these skulls.

02:44:37.000 But they all admit that these skulls...

02:44:39.000 Well, there's different ones.

02:44:40.000 This is ancient aliens.

02:44:41.000 I just googled Malta skulls.

02:44:43.000 Just go with...

02:44:45.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:44:46.000 There's different stuff that comes up all the way from Malta websites that talk about it because this is something that people would want to go see.

02:44:53.000 Right.

02:44:54.000 Let's click on that one.

02:44:56.000 See if they have any images on display.

02:44:58.000 Because this is...

02:45:01.000 Accepted by actual archaeologists that there's...

02:45:03.000 Because human beings have been doing weird stuff with skulls.

02:45:06.000 So that's it right there.

02:45:07.000 So you see how that skull has that line through the top?

02:45:11.000 Most skulls have a line straight down the middle, too.

02:45:14.000 That's how human skulls are.

02:45:15.000 So this is weird.

02:45:17.000 Now, also, here's the thing.

02:45:19.000 Could totally be a human that has genetic anomalies.

02:45:22.000 Like there's these people in Africa that have, they call them ostrich feet people.

02:45:27.000 There's this weird genetic anomaly that this whole village has where their feet, instead of having five...

02:45:33.000 Like, a big toe and four little toes.

02:45:36.000 They have, like, branched off like an ostrich.

02:45:40.000 Like, it looks really strange.

02:45:42.000 And that's real?

02:45:43.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:45:44.000 It's totally real.

02:45:45.000 And it's real today.

02:45:46.000 But it's a genetic anomaly.

02:45:47.000 And it's been passed on through, you know, these people in this one tribe, in this one area.

02:45:54.000 So it's like someone had it.

02:45:56.000 So it could be that.

02:45:58.000 It could be that that skull looks weird because these people were just born weird.

02:46:03.000 Right, yeah.

02:46:04.000 Some people are born with giant noses.

02:46:07.000 Some people have huge heads.

02:46:08.000 Some people are like seven feet tall for no reason.

02:46:11.000 Big dicks.

02:46:11.000 Yeah, giant hogs.

02:46:14.000 We've been afflicted with that.

02:46:17.000 Humans vary quite a bit.

02:46:19.000 So it could be that that's why that skull looks that way.

02:46:22.000 But it is absolutely fascinating.

02:46:25.000 And one of the things that they keep finding is new versions of human beings, which is really weird.

02:46:31.000 Like, they found the Denisovans.

02:46:33.000 I think they found those in, like, 2010.

02:46:36.000 And then there was, what is the recent ones, Jamie, that we were talking about that have the big heads?

02:46:40.000 There's these big-headed, like, not Homo sapien, but, like...

02:46:47.000 Cousins of homo sapiens that they just found these like really recently within the last few years like okay This is we thought these are Denisovans.

02:46:54.000 This is a totally different branch and so there's multiple branches of human beings that coexisted Along with homo sapiens and Neanderthals for a long-ass time Yeah.

02:47:07.000 Scientists may have discovered a new form of ancient humans known as large-head people.

02:47:11.000 So this is in December of 2024.

02:47:14.000 Wow.

02:47:14.000 The Julu-ren, Julu?

02:47:17.000 Large brains.

02:47:18.000 Julu-ren, large-headed people.

02:47:20.000 So they took, like, these skulls and tried to make, like, a recreation of what they look like.

02:47:28.000 And they look like these jacked-looking, hairy cave people.

02:47:32.000 They look pretty badass.

02:47:33.000 That's not her.

02:47:34.000 She looks hot.

02:47:35.000 She doesn't look anything like that.

02:47:37.000 You wouldn't survive back then if you looked like that.

02:47:39.000 So you can find an image of what they recreated because the image looks pretty cool.

02:47:45.000 So where does hunting videos fit in your YouTube algorithm?

02:47:48.000 Oh, I watch those too.

02:47:50.000 I watch all yours, of course.

02:47:54.000 I watch a lot of different...

02:47:56.000 I was watching Remy's, some of Remy's videos last night.

02:47:59.000 That one and the one right there, yeah.

02:48:02.000 There's a video of one standing up.

02:48:04.000 See if you can find images.

02:48:06.000 There's one that we looked at before where the dudes are standing up and he looks super...

02:48:10.000 Yeah, that's it.

02:48:11.000 So this super jacked, hairy dude, thick-ass bones.

02:48:17.000 Yeah.

02:48:18.000 Like Neanderthals.

02:48:19.000 They were way different than us.

02:48:21.000 They were way more jacked than us.

02:48:22.000 He looks like a beast, doesn't he?

02:48:24.000 He had to be to survive.

02:48:26.000 And he made an arrowhead it looked like he had in his hand or something.

02:48:29.000 Yeah, something.

02:48:30.000 You know, I mean, Neanderthals, they did art.

02:48:33.000 You know, they made cave art.

02:48:35.000 Some of the cave art they know for sure was Neanderthals, and some of it is pretty sophisticated.

02:48:38.000 Slightly different rendering.

02:48:39.000 Whoa!

02:48:40.000 That's what they looked like.

02:48:41.000 Fred Flintstone, kind of.

02:48:42.000 Bro, those things would have fucked us up.

02:48:45.000 Imagine that guy in the UFC.

02:48:46.000 You'd be like, oh, Jesus.

02:48:48.000 Imagine the guy on the right has to fight the guy on the left.

02:48:50.000 Are you fucking kidding me?

02:48:52.000 Not good.

02:48:53.000 So this is like this big...

02:48:55.000 Dense.

02:48:56.000 It's kind of weird that we survived.

02:48:58.000 Especially if you look at some of those marathon runners.

02:49:01.000 Like, imagine those people survive while that thing's around.

02:49:04.000 Those things probably ate people.

02:49:06.000 Like, look at, that's what they think they looked like.

02:49:08.000 God.

02:49:09.000 Fuck.

02:49:10.000 Yeah, that'd be rough.

02:49:12.000 Super dense, giant, jacked human beings.

02:49:15.000 That one in the corner where he's walking to the right, far right.

02:49:20.000 Yeah, look at that.

02:49:21.000 Like, that's what they think they look like.

02:49:22.000 Yeah.

02:49:23.000 Fuck that.

02:49:24.000 Imagine you walk through the woods, you see that dude there.

02:49:27.000 That's where...

02:49:28.000 Fuck!

02:49:29.000 What is fascinating, though, is that's what I do like about the endurance stuff that we're doing, is those people, do you imagine how far they can get in a day?

02:49:37.000 Oh, yeah.

02:49:38.000 Probably hundreds of miles.

02:49:39.000 And so nowadays, we're so far the other way.

02:49:43.000 Yeah.

02:49:43.000 Where if you...

02:49:44.000 If you walk a mile, you've done something.

02:49:46.000 Well, you're eating everything in the middle of the supermarket and you're watching video games, playing video games all day.

02:49:52.000 Some kids aren't even playing video games.

02:49:54.000 They're watching other people play video games.

02:49:58.000 That's what's like.

02:49:59.000 It's pretty cool to think about.

02:50:01.000 We're still making our bodies go, say, this 250-mile race.

02:50:05.000 I mean, that's kind of cool.

02:50:07.000 Yeah, it is cool.

02:50:08.000 But back then, they probably did that shit all the time.

02:50:11.000 All the time.

02:50:11.000 So we're built for that.

02:50:13.000 Yeah.

02:50:14.000 You know what I mean?

02:50:14.000 They probably had to.

02:50:16.000 Of course they had to, but humans as a species are built for endurance.

02:50:21.000 So that's what I like about those events.

02:50:24.000 Right.

02:50:24.000 It's like, this is what we're supposed to be doing.

02:50:26.000 Well, persistence hunting.

02:50:28.000 Yeah.

02:50:29.000 That's pretty crazy.

02:50:30.000 Yeah.

02:50:30.000 Where you just chase an animal down, because animals don't sweat and people don't.

02:50:35.000 So you can't outrun them in a...

02:50:37.000 Brent?

02:50:38.000 No.

02:50:38.000 But if you just keep chasing them, eventually they die.

02:50:41.000 Yeah, stay on them.

02:50:42.000 And then you just stab them when they're out of breath and you eat them.

02:50:45.000 You've got to be either in open country where you can keep eyes on them or be able to track them really well.

02:50:50.000 Isn't that crazy that that was a strategy that humans employed?

02:50:53.000 Just chase them until they run out of...

02:50:55.000 I think they still do it.

02:50:56.000 Yeah.

02:50:57.000 I think they still do it.

02:50:58.000 I bet that's where some of the best marathon runners come out of, too.

02:51:01.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:51:02.000 You know?

02:51:03.000 Yeah, they're so good at tracking in Africa.

02:51:06.000 Because of that.

02:51:07.000 It's just like they can stay on those tracks with no blood or anything because, you know, that's the name of the game.

02:51:12.000 Keep your eyes on them.

02:51:13.000 Yeah.

02:51:14.000 Wear them out.

02:51:15.000 That's what's always fascinating to me, how guys can just look at the ground and see footprints where I don't see shit.

02:51:22.000 Yeah.

02:51:22.000 And some guys that are just really good at it, man.

02:51:26.000 Yeah.

02:51:26.000 I mean, they can follow tracks like across just solid rock.

02:51:31.000 What?

02:51:31.000 And it's just looking at little scuffs.

02:51:33.000 They can see little scuffs from the hooves.

02:51:35.000 That's crazy.

02:51:37.000 I've been over there, you know, hunting quite a bit.

02:51:40.000 And I would sit, just as you just said, like, what are you seeing?

02:51:43.000 And so I would ask them.

02:51:44.000 It's hard because they speak Swahili, so you gotta...

02:51:47.000 It's hard figuring it out, but I was there for three weeks one time, so I kind of got dialed in.

02:51:52.000 So I would ask, what are we looking at here?

02:51:55.000 What are you seeing?

02:51:57.000 Or it's just how grass...

02:51:59.000 Grass will go a certain way, and then if it's not that certain way, it's because something made it.

02:52:05.000 Something pushed it out of the way.

02:52:07.000 Even if it's just a little bit of grass.

02:52:09.000 Yeah.

02:52:09.000 You just like look for these moments.

02:52:11.000 The small little tells.

02:52:12.000 Wow.

02:52:13.000 Yeah.

02:52:13.000 So it's like being so, that's another reason why I love the mountains, love being out.

02:52:20.000 It's just you have to be so, if you're going to be good at it, in tune with everything.

02:52:24.000 Yeah.

02:52:25.000 You have to be sensitive to almost everything.

02:52:29.000 That's how you can get within bow range of an animal and get it killed.

02:52:32.000 Or find it after you've put an arrow in it.

02:52:34.000 It's like you're just deciphering all this information.

02:52:38.000 Some people are good, some people are, but mostly it's experience related.

02:52:41.000 Those people have learned in Africa, have learned from the best trackers there are.

02:52:46.000 We haven't had to be that good here, but I've wanted to develop that skill and just get better.

02:52:53.000 But it's like, it's noticing the little...

02:52:56.000 Minute details.

02:52:57.000 Someone had a really good argument.

02:52:59.000 Do you remember who it was, Jamie, where they were talking about the invention of the bow and arrow?

02:53:03.000 And they were saying the odds of this happening simultaneously all over the world are very unlikely.

02:53:09.000 And that what's much more likely is that someone developed that technology and was traveling.

02:53:14.000 And that when you go back to the earliest use of the bow, which I don't know when that was.

02:53:21.000 Do you know when that was?

02:53:22.000 Let's guess.

02:53:23.000 What would you guess?

02:53:24.000 How many thousands of years ago did they figure out the bow and arrow?

02:53:27.000 Oh my...

02:53:28.000 3,000?

02:53:31.000 I would say.

02:53:33.000 I mean...

02:53:33.000 It has to be before pyramids.

02:53:35.000 Yeah.

02:53:36.000 The pyramids are 5,000 or 4,500.

02:53:39.000 That's the conventional...

02:53:41.000 I mean, so many people think it's older than that.

02:53:44.000 I'd say 10,000.

02:53:45.000 10,000 years for the bow and arrow?

02:53:47.000 So that means that someone had to be traveling.

02:53:49.000 Because, like, the Native Americans had it.

02:53:52.000 The Polynesians had it.

02:53:53.000 Like, everybody had it, right?

02:53:55.000 The Africans had it.

02:53:57.000 Like, everyone had the bow and arrow.

02:53:59.000 Europeans had it.

02:54:00.000 When was Mongolians?

02:54:02.000 Oh, that was the 1200s.

02:54:04.000 The rise of Genghis Khan was like the 1200s.

02:54:08.000 1200s to the 1300s.

02:54:11.000 Yeah, they had crazy bows.

02:54:13.000 Yeah, they did.

02:54:13.000 They had 160 pound pull.

02:54:15.000 They had legit bows.

02:54:16.000 Yeah, they were fucking people up with those bows.

02:54:18.000 Yeah.

02:54:18.000 Those guys, they say that their skeletons were distorted.

02:54:21.000 You know, like I'm talking about like I'm trying to balance out my body because I'm pulling too much.

02:54:26.000 Wasn't their forearm would get...

02:54:27.000 Yeah, everything was jacked.

02:54:28.000 Their shoulders, their back, everything was like torqued and twisted.

02:54:33.000 So let's guess.

02:54:35.000 What did we say?

02:54:36.000 I said 10. 10,000 years?

02:54:38.000 You said...

02:54:38.000 I'm going to say 5. I believe what I just stumbled across is the earliest people known to have used bows and arrows were the ancient Egyptians who adopted archery in approximately 2800 BC.

02:54:50.000 Okay, so roughly 4,800 plus years ago, roughly guessing.

02:54:57.000 So how does it get to North America?

02:54:59.000 How do those people get it?

02:55:01.000 So if the Native Americans, if we have evidence of human beings living in New Mexico 22,000 years ago, when did they pick up the bow?

02:55:10.000 Who got it to them?

02:55:12.000 Because by the time Columbus came in the 1400s, they already had it.

02:55:17.000 So where'd they get it?

02:55:19.000 Who taught them that?

02:55:21.000 Yeah.

02:55:22.000 Where'd they get it?

02:55:23.000 Did they figure it out independently to put feathers as fletchings and to put a...

02:55:28.000 Yeah, look at that cool picture from Egypt.

02:55:31.000 Wow.

02:55:31.000 That is badass.

02:55:33.000 That's crazy.

02:55:35.000 Right, so...

02:55:37.000 Were the Egyptians traveling all the way to North America?

02:55:43.000 I don't know.

02:55:44.000 Who figured it out first?

02:55:45.000 They had some sick stuff.

02:55:47.000 Do you remember who it was, Jamie?

02:55:48.000 I was looking.

02:55:49.000 I changed the question, so I went down the other route.

02:55:52.000 It was a fascinating conversation, because I never considered it until they brought it up.

02:55:56.000 They said, I don't think the bow and arrow just...

02:55:58.000 He goes, I think that's technology that was shared.

02:56:03.000 Which is a great argument for world travelers.

02:56:06.000 Yeah.

02:56:07.000 Way before we thought it was world travelers.

02:56:08.000 I was thinking about, was there land bridges that we don't know about?

02:56:11.000 I don't know.

02:56:12.000 Well, there definitely was, if you go back, 11,000 years ago.

02:56:17.000 I mean, that's when people were walking across the Bering Land Bridge.

02:56:20.000 Yeah.

02:56:21.000 Michael Waddell.

02:56:22.000 Oh, Michael Waddell.

02:56:23.000 Was it him that was saying that?

02:56:24.000 I believe so.

02:56:25.000 Look, I'm wearing the same shirt.

02:56:26.000 What's the odds?

02:56:27.000 Well, you guys, I know you guys were talking about, you know, Pope and Young went over on the boats and took, remember they took tubs of arrows?

02:56:35.000 Yeah, because they were just slinging them.

02:56:37.000 And they're going to be gone for like, what, seven months?

02:56:40.000 Yeah.

02:56:40.000 And then Waddell had some great stories about talking to his wife about, hey, I'm going to go hunt and be back next year.

02:56:47.000 You know, because it's like so long of a boat ride.

02:56:51.000 Oh, yeah, man.

02:56:51.000 Yeah.

02:56:52.000 Yeah, just the people getting in boats back then was so nuts.

02:56:56.000 I just know that, you know, Fred Bear has that quote, the history of archery is a history of mankind.

02:57:02.000 I always think of that.

02:57:03.000 So as long as man's been around, we've had to kill, the archery equipment is...

02:57:08.000 Well, it must have just completely opened up the door for having more kids, for being able to survive and feed your family.

02:57:18.000 Because if you're just stabbing things, you've got to get so close.

02:57:21.000 And then you get an atlatl.

02:57:23.000 Okay, how far can you throw that?

02:57:24.000 Yeah.

02:57:25.000 But then, if you got a bow, now all of a sudden, all those fuckers over there are in trouble.

02:57:30.000 Yeah.

02:57:30.000 And they don't even know yet.

02:57:32.000 They don't even know what to look out for.

02:57:34.000 And there's things whistling through the air.

02:57:36.000 Contradictory information.

02:57:37.000 Oh, what is this?

02:57:39.000 The four waves of bow and arrow use in North America, this occurred at 12,000.

02:57:46.000 Whoa.

02:57:47.000 12,000.

02:57:49.000 12,000 years ago.

02:57:51.000 Yeah, so I started going down this hole.

02:57:53.000 So it's pre-Egyptian.

02:57:55.000 Is that 12,000 B.C. then?

02:57:56.000 I don't know what...

02:57:57.000 No, 12,000 years ago is 10,000 B.C. I think they found bows in different places.

02:58:01.000 Whoa.

02:58:03.000 That's nuts.

02:58:04.000 I don't know for sure.

02:58:05.000 12,000 years ago.

02:58:07.000 Yeah, see the Alaska Peninsula.

02:58:09.000 Right, so again, so 12,000 years ago, now it makes sense that people are walking.

02:58:14.000 So people from Asia could walk over.

02:58:16.000 I mean, maybe it was made in Asia.

02:58:18.000 Yeah.

02:58:20.000 30,000.

02:58:21.000 30,000!

02:58:22.000 I don't know what the evidence is.

02:58:23.000 Sub-Arctic people first brought archery bow with them to North America from Asia 30,000 years ago.

02:58:33.000 Wow.

02:58:34.000 Okay, how?

02:58:35.000 How?

02:58:36.000 So 30,000 years ago, people were supposedly dumb as shit.

02:58:40.000 How were they figuring out how to make a stick fly through the air with a string?

02:58:44.000 And kill things with it.

02:58:45.000 And kill things with it.

02:58:46.000 Yeah.

02:58:46.000 And hunt.

02:58:47.000 Mongolian people were the first to adopt the bow in the southwestern region of what is now called the United States.

02:58:54.000 Whoa.

02:58:56.000 Oh, Mogollon.

02:58:57.000 Not Mongolian.

02:58:59.000 Mogollon.

02:59:00.000 I don't even know who they are.

02:59:01.000 2,000 years ago?

02:59:02.000 Yeah.

02:59:04.000 Wow.

02:59:05.000 Yeah.

02:59:05.000 Just after Jesus?

02:59:07.000 30,000 years ago is nuts!

02:59:12.000 But it's like, how does that get all around the world?

02:59:14.000 I don't know.

02:59:15.000 It's really interesting because it's not like there's a bunch of different versions of it.

02:59:19.000 Yeah, because the physical characteristics of this bow are striking in several respects.

02:59:24.000 So it's like...

02:59:24.000 Yeah.

02:59:26.000 There's no...

02:59:27.000 It doesn't say what that is.

02:59:28.000 That's a recurve.

02:59:29.000 No, I just mean like when they found her.

02:59:31.000 Oh, right, right, right, right.

02:59:32.000 Yeah, I thought that...

02:59:34.000 They were saying that no matter where they found these bows, they were all very similar.

02:59:38.000 Right.

02:59:38.000 They had the fletchings.

02:59:39.000 It goes to your point of how did that information get around the world?

02:59:43.000 How did they figure that out?

02:59:45.000 Yeah.

02:59:46.000 First recorded use of archery bird quite early in human history.

02:59:50.000 Images from the Paleolithic and Mesolithic cave paintings, 10,000 B.C. In Spain and France, depict groups of simple silhouetted figures using the bow as both the weapon of combat and the hunt.

03:00:02.000 See if you can find some of those images.

03:00:04.000 Yeah.

03:00:09.000 That's that one documentary, The Cave of Dreams.

03:00:12.000 It's a Werner Herzog film.

03:00:14.000 I think that's what it's called.

03:00:16.000 Is that you down there?

03:00:18.000 It looked like it.

03:00:19.000 Whoa.

03:00:20.000 Isn't that sweet?

03:00:21.000 That's crazy.

03:00:22.000 Look at that one.

03:00:23.000 Look at that one.

03:00:24.000 Go to that one.

03:00:24.000 That one right there.

03:00:25.000 Whoa.

03:00:28.000 That's crazy.

03:00:30.000 7,000-year-old bow and arrow painting.

03:00:33.000 God.

03:00:34.000 Wow.

03:00:35.000 That's what, you know, anytime I get those people in there for a lift, run, shoot, and Wayne starts talking to them at the bow rack, he's just like showing them how to shoot a bow, and people are like, they get it.

03:00:46.000 He's like, feels familiar, right?

03:00:48.000 He goes, because that's what man's always done.

03:00:51.000 That's why it feels familiar.

03:00:53.000 So it's like people who have never done it all of a sudden are like, they're like, oh, this stirs something up in them.

03:01:00.000 It does resonate, right?

03:01:02.000 It does resonate with your DNA.

03:01:05.000 You can tell.

03:01:07.000 You know what I tell people?

03:01:08.000 It's like, you know when you catch a fish?

03:01:10.000 Like, even when kids catch a fish.

03:01:12.000 I remember when my daughter caught her first fish.

03:01:13.000 The excitement is genetic.

03:01:16.000 Oh, you got one, you got one.

03:01:18.000 How do you know you're supposed to be excited?

03:01:19.000 Right.

03:01:20.000 Why are they exciting?

03:01:21.000 Why is it exciting to catch a fish?

03:01:24.000 Because it's programmed into your DNA from the time we were figuring out how to catch fish that if you caught a fish, you get to live.

03:01:31.000 You get to eat it.

03:01:32.000 So you get a reward.

03:01:34.000 Your body gets excited about catching that.

03:01:36.000 That's that same feeling.

03:01:38.000 That's why people like when they can shoot something and it hits the spot.

03:01:41.000 It's not like throwing a basketball through a hoop.

03:01:44.000 That's kind of fun.

03:01:45.000 But it doesn't have the same feeling.

03:01:47.000 No.

03:01:47.000 There's a feeling of archery when you hit something.

03:01:50.000 It's like, oh, yes.

03:01:51.000 Yeah, you see an animal, you're like, I wonder if I could hit that with my arrow.

03:01:54.000 Yeah.

03:01:54.000 You just want to shoot at stuff.

03:01:56.000 Yeah.

03:01:56.000 While I was at the zoo the other day, I was sending you pictures.

03:01:59.000 I know.

03:01:59.000 I zoomed on animals with a little red dot.

03:02:02.000 I mean, I'm driving and I see horses, cows, whatever, and I'm like, I see cows, legs forward.

03:02:07.000 I'm like, oh God, I could get an arrow right in the lungs there.

03:02:10.000 Perfect.

03:02:12.000 That's just what you kind of program your brain to see.

03:02:16.000 Right, but it's also like the same drive that leads you to run all these miles, to be at your best, and that also makes you concentrate on being accurate at archery and thinking about archery all the time.

03:02:29.000 If you don't, you won't be as good as you can be.

03:02:32.000 If you want to be as good as you possibly can be, you have to kind of think about it that way.

03:02:37.000 All-encompassing.

03:02:38.000 Yeah.

03:02:38.000 All-encompassing.

03:02:39.000 Take over your fucking brain.

03:02:41.000 Yeah.

03:02:42.000 Imagine if you can get those people from back then, like, let me show you some shit.

03:02:46.000 I would love it.

03:02:48.000 This is called a hog father.

03:02:50.000 I've wanted to go over, like, there's these people that have, God, what tribe is that, that have an Instagram page.

03:02:57.000 I think I've, they were the red stuff, I think in Africa.

03:03:01.000 I think I've sent you that.

03:03:02.000 I want to go and hunt with them so fucking bad.

03:03:06.000 Yes, Maasai.

03:03:07.000 I want to go over there so bad and just hang out.

03:03:10.000 They would probably freak out when they saw your bow.

03:03:12.000 Like, what are you doing?

03:03:13.000 I know when I went to Tanzania, I would just shoot it like they'd put up a buffalo quarter.

03:03:18.000 The Hadza also do it.

03:03:19.000 The Hadza, too.

03:03:20.000 Yeah, there you go.

03:03:21.000 Yeah.

03:03:22.000 That's the people that David Cho went over and hung out with, right?

03:03:26.000 2.3 million followers.

03:03:28.000 Whoa!

03:03:29.000 Yeah, that's not the one I was thinking.

03:03:31.000 Interesting.

03:03:32.000 Influencing.

03:03:33.000 Yeah, there's an influencer.

03:03:34.000 What's that lady doing there?

03:03:35.000 The upper left lady.

03:03:36.000 What's she doing with the Hadza?

03:03:38.000 Well, let's wrap this up, Cam.

03:03:40.000 Your book, perfect title, Undeniable.

03:03:44.000 It is a perfect title.

03:03:46.000 It really is.

03:03:47.000 I mean, that's one of the things that we always talk about.

03:03:49.000 Like, you gotta be undeniable.

03:03:50.000 Yeah.

03:03:51.000 It's a perfect name.

03:03:52.000 I just think it captures what we're trying to do in life.

03:03:58.000 Yeah.

03:03:58.000 Yeah, what everybody's trying to do in life.

03:04:00.000 If you're really trying to do something well, you know, you're gonna have some haters.

03:04:04.000 What's the best way to silence haters?

03:04:06.000 Win.

03:04:06.000 Be undeniable.

03:04:07.000 Be undeniable.

03:04:08.000 So if you're talking shit, you just look like an idiot.

03:04:11.000 You just look like a fool.

03:04:12.000 Here's what I've learned.

03:04:13.000 This is probably going to hit pretty hard.

03:04:16.000 I don't know if you've ever heard this before, but it pays to be a winner.

03:04:23.000 Undeniable to me, it's like the people I've had on, I've learned so much from, you're featured in the book, but it's like what makes people undeniable?

03:04:30.000 What allows people, regardless of what they do, to rise to the top?

03:04:34.000 And it's...

03:04:35.000 There's certain characteristics of each person.

03:04:38.000 And what it is, it's like they have this overwhelming passion for whatever they're doing.

03:04:44.000 It's like that's all they care about.

03:04:45.000 It's all they think about.

03:04:47.000 Rocky Marciano, Goggins, whoever you know of.

03:04:52.000 If you think of a person's name doing something, they've...

03:04:57.000 They're obsessed with whatever they're doing.

03:04:59.000 Speaking of obsessed, I'm obsessed with getting something right.

03:05:02.000 I think the sagittal crest is actually the peak of the skull that gorillas have.

03:05:06.000 I think I fucked that up.

03:05:08.000 I was looking for a different word for those cracks in the skull.

03:05:13.000 It's not sagittal crest.

03:05:14.000 I think the sagittal crest is that thing that separates what a gorilla skull looks like versus a chimpanzee skull.

03:05:21.000 There it is.

03:05:22.000 Yeah, that's the sagittal crest.

03:05:24.000 That's that ridge bone.

03:05:25.000 So what are those lines called?

03:05:29.000 Oh, it's a suture.

03:05:30.000 That's right.

03:05:31.000 That's right.

03:05:31.000 That's what they call it.

03:05:32.000 So there's a coronal suture and then there's the other one.

03:05:39.000 Fucking heads are weird.

03:05:41.000 Imagine that's a person.

03:05:42.000 I know.

03:05:42.000 How fucking weird that is.

03:05:43.000 See that weird?

03:05:44.000 So that's what a normal person looks like.

03:05:46.000 They got that weird line.

03:05:47.000 Oh, that's what.

03:05:47.000 So it's peridial foramen.

03:05:52.000 So that's the sagittal suture.

03:05:54.000 And then there's this other suture.

03:05:57.000 Lamdoid.

03:05:58.000 What's that other suture called?

03:06:00.000 See that lamdoid on the left there?

03:06:02.000 Yeah, lamdoid suture and the sagittal suture.

03:06:05.000 So the sagittal is the line that they're missing, the one that goes up the middle.

03:06:10.000 Look at that gorilla head in the lower right-hand corner.

03:06:13.000 Oh, fucking cool.

03:06:14.000 Gorillas almost have like a mohawk in their skull because they have these giant muscles for chomping on fucking roots and shit.

03:06:21.000 And you'd never, if you hit that fucker in the head, it wouldn't do anything.

03:06:25.000 I would laugh at you.

03:06:26.000 Have you ever seen, there's a 3D image, we can end with this, because...

03:06:32.000 People always say, how many fucking people do you think it would take to beat a gorilla?

03:06:37.000 Well, guess what?

03:06:39.000 It literally doesn't matter.

03:06:41.000 So somebody made like a, you know how they do like recreations?

03:06:47.000 Like, let's find out.

03:06:48.000 And so they showed what would happen.

03:06:51.000 I just sent it to you, Jamie.

03:06:52.000 They showed what would happen if a hundred dudes tried to fight a gorilla.

03:06:57.000 Spoiler alert, a hundred dudes get fucked up.

03:07:00.000 Look at this.

03:07:01.000 This is what it would look like.

03:07:03.000 Oh my god.

03:07:05.000 Like the gorilla's trying to run and just turns around and just starts fucking people up.

03:07:08.000 Holy shit.

03:07:09.000 Yeah, you got no chance.

03:07:11.000 Could you imagine taking a big right from that thing?

03:07:14.000 I would watch the first couple dudes take a right and I would take a left.

03:07:18.000 I'd be like, see ya.

03:07:19.000 I don't think gorillas are going to chase me.

03:07:21.000 You just got to get his back.

03:07:23.000 Nope.

03:07:24.000 If he did get on his back, he would just grab you with one arm and throw you fucking 50 yards.

03:07:30.000 He would grab you and his grip would break your fucking ribcage.

03:07:35.000 His fingers would probably penetrate your skin and go right through to your organs.

03:07:41.000 He's just fucking all these people up.

03:07:43.000 Boom!

03:07:44.000 That guy took a couple in a row.

03:07:47.000 The Russians probably tried this already.

03:07:49.000 They probably already had.

03:07:50.000 Look at this.

03:07:51.000 All these other guys are like, oh, I'm gonna give it a shot.

03:07:54.000 I'm gonna give it my best.

03:07:55.000 Solid pay-per-view.

03:07:56.000 Yeah, why are these guys still there?

03:07:58.000 I don't know.

03:07:59.000 Because they're being forced.

03:08:00.000 Look, he's running, trying to a little bitch-ass hammer fist to hit that gorilla.

03:08:04.000 If you get your kind of bell rung a little bit, and you're kind of dazed, and then you're just standing there.

03:08:08.000 Look how far everybody flies, too, when he hits them.

03:08:11.000 Boom!

03:08:13.000 That would be a good one to end on, but here's what we really need to end on.

03:08:18.000 Because last time, Endure was like the number one seller, and they put it number seven or something on New York Times.

03:08:26.000 So we need number one.

03:08:29.000 We deserve number one.

03:08:30.000 We should be number one this time.

03:08:32.000 You didn't get number one because of some weird shit.

03:08:35.000 Because the New York Times bestseller list is an editorial.

03:08:40.000 Yeah, that's what's weird.

03:08:41.000 If it just goes based on sales, Endure would have been up there, but they gave me number seven.

03:08:47.000 You're crazy.

03:08:48.000 Just give me what I deserve this time.

03:08:50.000 Why are you lying?

03:08:51.000 I don't know.

03:08:52.000 If you're going to have a top ten, why lie?

03:08:54.000 You're lying.

03:08:55.000 You can't decide that this one's a top ten because it's made by a transgender person of color.

03:09:01.000 It's better.

03:09:02.000 I don't know if it helps me to call them out or...

03:09:04.000 No.

03:09:05.000 They're going to fuck you no matter what.

03:09:07.000 But America will know.

03:09:09.000 But on Amazon, that's not curated, right?

03:09:11.000 No, no.

03:09:11.000 So that'll be legit.

03:09:12.000 That'll be sales.

03:09:14.000 That'll be legit.

03:09:14.000 So that's the one that should count.

03:09:16.000 But yeah, I mean, the whole point...

03:09:18.000 Also, I wanted to...

03:09:20.000 I wouldn't have had the success with those books if not for you.

03:09:24.000 You wrote the foreword to Endure.

03:09:26.000 It made the New York Times bestseller list.

03:09:28.000 You know as well as anybody, the next book, if you can say, from the New York Times bestselling author of Endure, that just makes the next one go crazy.

03:09:37.000 So without you, this wouldn't have happened.

03:09:40.000 Well, without you, I would have never been bow hunting.

03:09:43.000 And we wouldn't own archery country.

03:09:44.000 Yeah, we wouldn't own archery country.

03:09:46.000 All right.

03:09:47.000 Let's bring it home.

03:09:48.000 Endure, it's out now?

03:09:50.000 It's out May 6th.

03:09:51.000 No, no.

03:09:52.000 Endure's out.

03:09:53.000 Oh, excuse me.

03:09:54.000 Undeniable.

03:09:55.000 Undeniable is out May 6th.

03:09:57.000 Today is April 29th.

03:09:59.000 So wait a week.

03:10:00.000 Did you do the audio version of it?

03:10:02.000 I did.

03:10:02.000 Yes.

03:10:03.000 I did.

03:10:04.000 Yes.

03:10:04.000 It was tough, but people love it.

03:10:06.000 Yeah, they do.

03:10:06.000 They want it in your voice.

03:10:07.000 It has to be.

03:10:08.000 It has to be in your voice.

03:10:09.000 Well, Joe, thank you.

03:10:10.000 My pleasure, brother.

03:10:11.000 I love you to death.

03:10:12.000 You're the best.

03:10:13.000 All right.

The Joe Rogan Experience - May 06, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2316 - Cameron Hanes

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